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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bad sore

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 22:50:20 UT

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No he doesn't have nightsweats and he takes insulin rarely, His blood sugar

is under control fairly well, he checks it about twice a day and probable

averages around 130. The thing that gets me is that it heals across the

surface quckly with good pink tissue, but it degenerates again from deep

within and works its way out to the exterior sruface. The one he had on his

other foot healed just fine. That's why I think he has infection deep.  Thanks

again     John



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From:   Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list on behalf of Paul Iannone

Sent:   Thursday, February 27, 1997 4:40 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: Bad sore



> Paul thanks for the reply. I have given him echinecea and astralagus in a

> combined tincture at one point for a while and It didn't seem to help, HE

> takes cayenne of a daily basis{like I said I was a student of Dr. John

> R.Christopher so I get it honest} and I thought That would get his blood

> moving. The thing that seems to have worked the best is the fresh green

husk

> of black walnut and it even worked better when I mixed it with sugar a

> practice I read somewhere from some of the old eclectics. It heals nicely,

> seals over and in a little while it will split open again and be a deep

wound,

>



Then feed him lots of peppermint tea...maybe that will help Cool his Kidneys

(rule the bones) down some. Does he have nightsweats?



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bad sore

From: Nancy Hodinka <NHodinka@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 16:45:28 -0500

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In a message dated 97-02-27 13:12:37 EST, Paul wrote:



>A Handbook of Traditional Chinese Dermatology recommends the following skin

>wash:

>Sheng Ji Gao



> Borax 60g

> Borneol (synthetic) 60g

> Field mint 10g

> Minium (red lead oxide) 30g

> Zinc oxide 120g

> Pearl powder 10g

> Phenol 2g

> Petroleum jelly 2500g



>I haven't used this formula, but it may give you some ideas. Sheng Ji means

>'regenerate tissue'; gao means paste. The formula is intended to remove

Toxin

>as well.



Paul-



I know this formula is intended for topical use only, but even so, the lead

oxide and phenol are highly toxic compounds themselves. How can their use be

beneficial?



Nancy

NHodinka@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bad sore

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:51:59 GMT

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> In a message dated 97-02-27 13:12:37 EST, Paul wrote:

>

> >A Handbook of Traditional Chinese Dermatology recommends the following

skin

> >wash:

> >Sheng Ji Gao

>

> > Borax 60g

> > Borneol (synthetic) 60g

> > Field mint 10g

> > Minium (red lead oxide) 30g

> > Zinc oxide 120g

> > Pearl powder 10g

> > Phenol 2g

> > Petroleum jelly 2500g

>

> >I haven't used this formula, but it may give you some ideas.

> Paul-

>

> I know this formula is intended for topical use only, but even so, the lead

> oxide and phenol are highly toxic compounds themselves. How can their use

be

> beneficial?

>

> Nancy

> NHodinka@aol.com



Well, a small amount of phenol is not a big issue...I believe it is there as

an acid, to remove dead tissue. As for the lead oxide, it is well-known for

reducing pus formation and helping to expel pus. Yes, it is toxic, but like

with merc. sulph, which used to be commonly used shortterm for mental

problems in Chinese healing, it is very poorly absorbed in that form from the

skin, or even from the digestive tract (not that I recommend either for

internal use).



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Im Getting Married! I need your help!

From: "Katie L.        User" <Beckgren@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:09:57 -0500

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I have trouble sleeping and I take Passion Flower and it helps me a lot!!!

You can get it in drops or in a capsul, the drops aren't bad, you just add

ten-fifteen to a little bit of your drink beofre you go to sleep.



          ~KATIE





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Manufacturers

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:46:03 -0500

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In a message dated 97-02-28 02:31:38 EST, you write:



<<

 >        Cause...Oscar-Meyer has a way of altering your D-N-A >>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Manufacturers

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Feb 1997 18:47:16 -0500

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In a message dated 97-02-28 02:31:38 EST, you write:



<<

 >        Cause...Oscar-Meyer has a way of altering your D-N-A >>

ROFLMAS!!!!!!!!! a  good one.

Lovelylin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ESSIAC

From: "Brente A. Miller" <BBevitori@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 13:43:41 -0500

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Has anyone had any dealings with Essiac?



Thank you for information in advance.



Brente





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ESSIAC

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 12:21:08 -0900

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At 01:43 PM 3/1/97 -0500, Brente A. Miller wrote:

>Has anyone had any dealings with Essiac?

>

>Thank you for information in advance.

>

>Brente

>

>

I know of only one case of bladder cancer which was cured using Essiac

only.  The patient had had surgeries to remove tumors and kept getting

them.  It took approximately a year to eliminate all the tumors and

evidence of the cancer.  Local doctors are looking at this incredulously.

I know of no other cases.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ESSIAC

From: don <don@GRAD.USDA.GOV>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 09:52:28 -0500

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> >

> I know of only one case of bladder cancer which was cured using Essiac

> only.  The patient had had surgeries to remove tumors and kept getting

> them.  It took approximately a year to eliminate all the tumors and

> evidence of the cancer.  Local doctors are looking at this incredulously.

> I know of no other cases.

>

I too am interested in Essiac as a possible cure for my sister's

rare cancer, I have brought a book and started her on the regimen. I found

a lot of information by doing a search on Essiac on the WEB and found tons

of information mostly from the "Essiac company". They also have

testimonials from people who had positive results. If you can't find the

info at the site I can supply some URLs, just let me know on the list.



I too employ anyone else out there who have heard pro or con about Essiac

or any other herbal solution that stops the growth of cancer to post their

information.



Thanks in advance

Don Johnson





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ESSIAC

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:49:24 -0900

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>I too employ anyone else out there who have heard pro or con about Essiac

>or any other herbal solution that stops the growth of cancer to post their

>information.

>

>Thanks in advance

>Don Johnson

>

>

There are many herbs which have so-called "anti-cancer" effects.  The most

prominent of these in western herbalism is Burdock root which seems to show

up in many cancer cures.  Other docks (yellow, curly, etc.) are also used

in cancer remedies.  Other herbs which are used commonly are chaparral, red

clover and poke root.  Perhaps it would be good to discuss some of the

alteratives like these.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Born Blind/Heat in Kidney

From: Risa Mornis <risa@SOVER.NET>

Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:36:04 -0500

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>>My pregnancy was easy and normal, had alittle bit of evening

>> sickness, and the labor was a five hour, no complications birth. I have a

>> tendency towards silent urinary infections,

>

>Heat in your Kidneys I'll bet.

>

>>which at one time became a bad

>> case of pylonephritis (Kidney infection) back in '91- I was hospitalized. I

>> know that since then my kidneys have been weak but nothing else has

>> presented since then. During this pregnancy, I had twinges of pain in my

>> kidney area but again, nothing serious happened.

>

>Not the 'cause' of your child's developmental problems, but a concommitant

>factor. You should get care for that problem so you don't develop illness

>later.



What approach would you suggest- A homeopathic or TCM practitioner? Have

been using western herbal medicine on myself since the infection- yarrow and

dandelion sometimes, cleavers and uva ursi sometimes, Raspberry leaf and

nettle alot, cranberry juice alot, less sugar, but nothing consistently.

Collected alot of organic cornsilk last summer but so far have only used it

on my son.  Haven't spent quality time on myself since before my son arrived

in '93. Other problems have gotten more attention: long menstrual cycle

(Comes every 35-40 days- 10-14 day periods, slow to arrive, slow to leave,

brown blood, 2-4 days heavy red blood in middle of the period. usually no

pain, but if so it occurs on the 'heavy' days) Have Had periods like this

for 6-8 years. They seemed alittle better for awhile between children but

back to 'normal' now. Had three early months miscarriages before my son was

born but none before my daughter. Had allergies right after she was born.

Diet is basically vegetarian, meat on occasion. I do have a sweet tooth

though. Stress is a big factor right now, too much work to do- but trying to

cut down.  I always feel better when I exercise but am not consistent with

this either. Right now all I have is grief over my daughters lost vision,

exhaustion, dark circles under eyes, lots of mucus but no cold, cold hands

and feet, dry cracking skin on my hands (too many diapers and dishes), I

could probably go on but I AM relatively comfortable. (I'm not a complainer,

generally hold in negative feelings, ignore the bad, and tend to be overly

optimistic. :-)) I know homeopathy requires alot of details for proper

treatment- more than this I'm sure. I imagine TCM does too. But what do you

think? Are my kidneys about to burst?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Born Blind/Heat in Kidney

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:51:17 GMT

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> >>I have a

> >> tendency towards silent urinary infections,

> >

> >Heat in your Kidneys I'll bet.



> >Not the 'cause' of your child's developmental problems, but a concommitant

> >factor. You should get care for that problem so you don't develop illness

> >later.

>

> What approach would you suggest- A homeopathic or TCM practitioner?



Chinese healing. TCM is a form of Chinese healing...whatever is available to

you (that is legitimate). An acupuncturist will do.



>Have

> been using western herbal medicine on myself since the infection- yarrow

and

> dandelion sometimes, cleavers and uva ursi sometimes,



I wouldn't use uva ursi if I were you.



>Raspberry leaf and

> nettle alot, cranberry juice alot, less sugar, but nothing consistently.

> Collected alot of organic cornsilk last summer but so far have only used it

> on my son.  Haven't spent quality time on myself since before my son

arrived

> in '93. Other problems have gotten more attention: long menstrual cycle

> (Comes every 35-40 days- 10-14 day periods, slow to arrive, slow to leave,

> brown blood, 2-4 days heavy red blood in middle of the period. usually no

> pain, but if so it occurs on the 'heavy' days) Have Had periods like this

> for 6-8 years.



That is Blood Stagnation. What is your weight like?



>They seemed alittle better for awhile between children but

> back to 'normal' now. Had three early months miscarriages before my son was

> born but none before my daughter. Had allergies right after she was born.

> Diet is basically vegetarian, meat on occasion. I do have a sweet tooth

> though.



Right. Weak Digestion, probably Liver Attacking the Stomach.



>Stress is a big factor right now, too much work to do- but trying to

> cut down.  I always feel better when I exercise but am not consistent with

> this either.



Better from exercise=Qi Stagnation.



>Right now all I have is grief over my daughters lost vision,

> exhaustion, dark circles under eyes, lots of mucus but no cold, cold hands

> and feet, dry cracking skin on my hands (too many diapers and dishes), I

> could probably go on but I AM relatively comfortable. (I'm not a

complainer,

> generally hold in negative feelings, ignore the bad, and tend to be overly

> optimistic. :-)) I know homeopathy requires alot of details for proper

> treatment- more than this I'm sure. I imagine TCM does too. But what do you

> think? Are my kidneys about to burst?



I wouldn't say that. Homeopathy doesn't focus on this sort of detail in any

case. But from a Chinese healing standpoint, these complaints aren't really

in the simple Kidney Heat category. Sounds more like a Liver problem with

Depleted Liver/Kidney Yin, and Blood and Qi stagnation. Get some good Dang

gui (Tang Kuei) at the health food store (you can take it in tincture if you

tolerate that ok). Get some sort of simple exercise every day, and a nap when

you can afford the time. In any case, you should lay down each afternoon for

a rest. Drink peppermint tea on a regular basis.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Antibiotics & acidophilus

From: Nancy Hodinka <NHodinka@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 16:45:28 -0500

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A recent post (sorry-didn't save it) raised the question of taking

antibiotics and acidophilus concurrently.



As a microbiologist, most of the info I have on Lactobacillus species,

Bifidobacterium species and other beneficial flora indicates that they are

usuallly highly susceptible to most antibiotics (that's why they're knocked

out of balance by antibiotic therapy in the first place!). Take acidophilus

and/or bifid supplements _during_ an antibiotic course would a waste of time

(and money).  The best approach would be to start the lactobacillus

supplement a day or two after completing the antibiotics to restablish normal

flora.



Nancy Hodinka

NHodinka@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Antibiotics & acidophilus

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:52:09 GMT

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> As a microbiologist, most of the info I have on Lactobacillus species,

> Bifidobacterium species and other beneficial flora indicates that they are

> usuallly highly susceptible to most antibiotics (that's why they're knocked

> out of balance by antibiotic therapy in the first place!). Take acidophilus

> and/or bifid supplements _during_ an antibiotic course would a waste of

time

> (and money).  The best approach would be to start the lactobacillus

> supplement a day or two after completing the antibiotics to restablish

normal

> flora.

>

> Nancy Hodinka



Not entirely. Certainly, the doses of antibiotic will kill most of what you

take, perhaps even all of it. But there is no hard and fast rule here.

Bacteria can certainly survive many antibiotics in pockets of food and in

some areas of the bowel...it is probably worthwhile to take liquid

acidophilus products during antibiotic usage even if for only the lactic

acid.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Howie's reply re: Noni juice

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 14:39:11 -0800

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At 08:32 AM 2/20/97 +0000, John A <amphlett@INREACH.COM> wrote:

>Howie Brounstein wrote:

>>

>> :            HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

>>

>> > I have just begun taking Noni Juice from Tahiti and there are starling

>> > claims made for its application.

>> >

>> > helps cancer, arthritis, the immune system, etc.

>> > It is apparently a helper in cell rebuilding.

>> >

>> > Has anyone had any experience with this?

>> >

>> > should I have it tested at a lab for content to be sure of what

>> > is in it?

>>

>> It's the up and coming new fad herb, complete with MLM techniques and

>> it's the ancient secret rediscovered....

>>

>> Perhaps someone will post 50K of advertizing for it here (Pleeze no!)

>>

>> This alone makes me reject it completely. Is it any good? Perhaps.

>> The marketing makes me reject it anyway, even though it may be of

>> value.

>>

>> My old student who now lives in Hawaii told me its the Oregon Grape

>> of Hawaii ....

>>

>> Which to me means if I lived in Polynesia, I'd be taking it.

>>

>> I'm a bit bioregional. Why are you wanting to take Noni? Do you have

>> a specific problem? Isolate, define, diagnose your problem. Work with

>> local herbs. Save the resources it takes to fly the herb from Tahiti.

>>

>> For those who haven't had enough of my opinions, see "fad herbs and

>> bioregionalism" link from my home page.

>>

>> Howie Brounstein

>> howieb@teleport.com

>> http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html

>>

>> "I hope that's Valerian I smell!"

>Howie:

>

>Thanks for your reply but you did not really answer my question on

>whether or not Noni plant juice is good for humans.

>It is claimed to help in the regeneration of cells.  If this were true,

>it would help everyone to some degree.

>And, why does the way a product get marketed have anything to do with

>whether or not it is a good product in your mind?

>

>A friend of mine sells music CD's from all the popular labels through

>this marketing method and does that mean that all of the music on the

>cd's is no good?

>

>Perhaps there is an emotional reason for your thoughts rather than a

>rational one.

>

>sincerely,

>

>John a

>

Hello John,



Howie's remarks perhaps have his emotions tied to them.....one cannot watch

the exponential depletion of plant resources because of modern exploitative

harvesting practices without feeling frustration and sadness.  Howie is

right that we should look to our own geographic region first.  Nature has

provided for us all, in abundance,  wherever we might live, and we usually

do not need to import exotics.  We, especially in modern US, have become

very used to myriad choices (i.e., the Supermarket) and we sometimes do not

think about the cost to the planet when we choose to purchase something

imported.  Do you know for a fact that this plant substance is harvested

with respect to the regeneration of the plant?  This is an important

consideration for any consumer of herbs or herbal products.  Many herbs help

with the regeneration of cells, as well as having primary actions upon body

systems to improve their function.  Why do you jump on this particular

bandwagon, when with a little inquiry you might find a plant substance

closer to home that will be as medicinally effective?  And probably more

cost effective.  Please, let's all continue to have a "global" viewpoint and

protect the mother who nurtures us all.



My two cents worth.



Be well,

Marcia Elston     I     Samara Botane     |     Seattle, WA

Manufacturers of Aromatherapy and Herbal products

                                  Herbal Indulgence

                 http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tooth Problems

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 15:03:58 -0800

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At 05:02 PM 2/20/97 -0800,  rob <rys@ucla.edu> wrote:

>I've seen a couple of posts in the last few weeks re: toothaches/root canals

>etc. I just finished reading a very interesting (IMO) transcript in

>August/September 1996 issue of "The Townsend Letter for Doctors and

>Patients" [yes, I AM behind on my reading :)] of a radio interview on the

>subject of root canals, cavitaitons and the myriad of health problems that

>may be encountered as a result of these procedures/conditions, despite the

>appearance that everything is "fine." The the two dentists interviewed were

>Drs. Meinig and LaMarche, and they had some fascinating things to say about

>sequalae resulting from root canals and cavitations, including research

>which began back in the 1920s conducted by a Dr. Price. I don't have the

>time to summarize the whole thing, which is quite long, but I think it would

>be worthwhile for anyone who has had is is about to have a root canal done

>to have a look at it.

>

>take care!

>

>rob

>

George Meinig, D.D.S., F.A.C.D., has published a book called "Root Canal

Coverup" (Bion Publishing ISBN 0-945196-19-9) based on Dr. Price's "Dental

Infections, Oral and Systemic", vol I and II published in the 20's, but

discarded by the dental establishment at the time.  I have no commercial

interest in this book, but it is an eye opener, and available from

www.lauralee.com.



Be well,



Marcia Elston     I     Samara Botane     |     Seattle, WA

Manufacturers of Aromatherapy and Herbal products

                                  Herbal Indulgence

                 http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: back ache

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@FULLNET.NET>

Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 18:54:30 -0800

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My husband is having a debilitating backache, so much that he has a

curved posture when walking. (This is after weeks of bending over doing

tubing for his job)  He has taken naproxen and cyclobenzaprine for pain

(muscle relaxer, etc).  He got a massage from a professional today.  The

doctor says apply heat and he sits in hot tubs, sauna, hot baths.  His

dad says apply ice packs.  Any herbs he can try in any way? What is a

mullein ?? Thank you very much.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: back ache

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 01:20:55 -0500

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hi linda,

i have successfully used a combination of homeopathic arnica, three

granules hourly (6X)  for pain & swelling with valerian tincture (15 -

20 drops hourly) to relax (so he's not walking around all tensed up

because he knows that if he moves it will hurt!)



you can also do massage with either macerated arnica oil, or 



Zheng Gu Shui a chinese product about which i' m sure Paul can tell you

more



Mullien (verbascum thapsus) is a wonderful plant.

the flowers infused in oil are great for ear ache



the plant in tea (leaves, basal rosettes, 2nd year) are good for any

mucus membrane which needs soothing. particular affinity for the lungs.



the leaves are also a tobacco substitute (and it  is rumoured are

actually good for the lungs when smoked! personally i think this is

going a bit far!  however the leaves are very smokeable and leave you

feeling slightly stoned, nice if combined with a bit of mint)



                                                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: back ache

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 13:24:19 EST

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Lobelia for the muscle spasm.  White willow (like asprin) for pain.

Perhaps Anita's muellin compress would be warranted.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Sat, 1 Mar 1997 18:54:30 -0800 Mike & Linda Shipley

<n5wuh@FULLNET.NET> writes:

>My husband is having a debilitating backache, so much that he has a

>curved posture when walking. (This is after weeks of bending over

>doing

>tubing for his job)  He has taken naproxen and cyclobenzaprine for

>pain

>(muscle relaxer, etc).  He got a massage from a professional today.

>The

>doctor says apply heat and he sits in hot tubs, sauna, hot baths.  His

>dad says apply ice packs.  Any herbs he can try in any way? What is a

>mullein ?? Thank you very much.

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: back ache

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:49:21 -0900

--------

At 06:54 PM 3/1/97 -0800, Mike & Linda Shipley wrote:

>My husband is having a debilitating backache, so much that he has a

>curved posture when walking. (This is after weeks of bending over doing

>tubing for his job)  He has taken naproxen and cyclobenzaprine for pain

>(muscle relaxer, etc). What is a mullein??



You are probably thinking of mentions to a mullein compress.  Mullein

(Verbascum thapsus) is a wonderful herb with soothing properties.  It aids

in the absorbtion of blood, lymph and impurities thereby reducing

inflammations.  For this reason it should not be used when you don't want

absorbtion and diffusion as in cancer.

  A hot mullein compress is effective in reducing inflammation, swelling

and pain.  Use 4 oz mullein, 1-2 oz lobelia (to relax tissues) and simmer

30 min in 1 quart cider vinegar.  Add 1/4 cup cayenne pepper and simmer 5

min longer.  Strain and reserve liquid.

Put a cloth in the liquid and get it wet with the compress formula, ring it

out and apply to the affected area.  I usually cover the cloth with plastic

wrap and cover all with a heating pad to keep it warm.  A hot water bottle

would suffice.  Keep it as hot as comfortable for at least 1 hour.  You

will notice increased movement, relief of pain and inflammation following

this treatment.  It's effects can last for several days but apply as needed.

I use it for tendonitis, sprains and muscle spasms.  It never fails. (but

it stinks like vinegar).





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: back ache

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 00:31:47 EST

--------

Anita-



I thought you spoke of making a poultice with the leaves from the

muellin, lobelia et. al. and placing it on the back.  (At least that is

what I've been doing.)  This vinegar on cloth sounds a lot easier on the

bedding, but weren't you talking about how the cellulose and saponins in

the herb directly against the skin would have a therapeutic effect?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Sun, 2 Mar 1997 18:49:21 -0900 Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET> writes:



>You are probably thinking of mentions to a mullein compress.  Mullein

>(Verbascum thapsus) is a wonderful herb with soothing properties.  It

>aids

>in the absorbtion of blood, lymph and impurities thereby reducing

>inflammations.  For this reason it should not be used when you don't

>want

>absorbtion and diffusion as in cancer.

>  A hot mullein compress is effective in reducing inflammation,

>swelling

>and pain.  Use 4 oz mullein, 1-2 oz lobelia (to relax tissues) and

>simmer

>30 min in 1 quart cider vinegar.  Add 1/4 cup cayenne pepper and

>simmer 5

>min longer.  Strain and reserve liquid.

>Put a cloth in the liquid and get it wet with the compress formula,

>ring it

>out and apply to the affected area.  I usually cover the cloth with

>plastic

>wrap and cover all with a heating pad to keep it warm.  A hot water

>bottle

>would suffice.  Keep it as hot as comfortable for at least 1 hour.

>You

>will notice increased movement, relief of pain and inflammation

>following

>this treatment.  It's effects can last for several days but apply as

>needed.

>I use it for tendonitis, sprains and muscle spasms.  It never fails.

>(but

>it stinks like vinegar).

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: back ache

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:53:22 -0900

--------

At 12:31 AM 3/3/97 EST, Karen Vaughan wrote:

>Anita-

>

>I thought you spoke of making a poultice with the leaves from the

>muellin, lobelia et. al. and placing it on the back.  (At least that is

>what I've been doing.)  This vinegar on cloth sounds a lot easier on the

>bedding, but weren't you talking about how the cellulose and saponins in

>the herb directly against the skin would have a therapeutic effect?

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>

>

>

Of course a poultice would be effective also.  There's more than one way to

get the job accomplished.  I find the compress effective and easy to do.

You can more easily combine herbs in a compress although it is not

impossible with a poultice. The vinegar extracts components from the herbs

quite well.  In fact it is specifically mentioned for use with lobelia.  It

also helps act as a penetrant for the herbs.  It has a few healing

properties as well, mostly antiseptic.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: back ache

From: Penny Harris <ONECENT36@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 22:00:53 -0500

--------

I am recovering and it depends on the cause of the  pain but magnesium does

help. ultimately I had back surgery what a relief that was





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Immunostimulants

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 22:19:19 -0500

--------

hi,

definately not echinacea. i'll check for what would be appropriate.



Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Immunostimulants

From: Juan Homs <jhoms@GRN.ES>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 23:22:10 +0100

--------

Dear Lee,



Thanks for your answer. Look forward to hearing from you again...that's for

my wife.



Regards

Juan



----------

> De: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

> A: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

> Asunto: Re: Immunostimulants

> Fecha: domingo 2 de marzo de 1997 4:19

>

> hi,

> definately not echinacea. i'll check for what would be appropriate.

>

> Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Immunostimulants

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:03:45 -0500

--------

hi juan,



been looking around a bit, and a good herb for colds, flu, pleurasy,

pnumonia & asthma (without stimulating the immune system) is



chickweed (stellar media). can be taken in tea, used in poltices or

*eaten* fresh.



                                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Immunostimulants

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 14:34:26 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-08 14:08:17 EST, you write:

Lee Pilgrim wrote:

<<

 been looking around a bit, and a good herb for colds, flu, pleurasy,

 pnumonia & asthma (without stimulating the immune system) is



 chickweed (stellar media). can be taken in tea, used in poltices or

 *eaten* fresh. >>





Ah, now you're talkin'.  I have a tendency to favor the "Granny or Wise

Woman," approach to treatments.  Use what's readily available, etc., if at

all possible.   I certainly agree with taking the chickweed, and would like

to include Cleavers (Galium aperine).  It is growing wild over everything

here in SE Louisiana, and we eat it as a pot herb like spinach and as a

tincture, infusion, etc. for a spring tonic.  It has a wonderful action on

the lymph system to clean it out.  The Chickweed (Stellar media), is a

wonderful potherb, too, and is growing everywhere right now.

Good eatin' and good health!

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Immunostimulants

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:58:25 -0900

--------

At 02:03 PM 3/8/97 -0500, lee pilgrim wrote:

>hi juan,

>

>been looking around a bit, and a good herb for colds, flu, pleurasy,

>pnumonia & asthma (without stimulating the immune system) is

>

>chickweed (stellar media). can be taken in tea, used in poltices or

>*eaten* fresh.

>

>                                        Lee.

>

>

Look to diaphoretics such as Yarrow, Boneset, Peppermint, Elecampane, etc.

but know HOW to use them correctly.  They are not much good taken in

capsules, IMHO.  They are best used in a HOT infusion.  I've found that a

daily dose of Boneset during flu season helps ward off the plague.  Maybe

it's my imagination.

  When Yarrow is taken cold it's influence is spent largely on the liver so

could be effective in helping a "tired" liver.  They same might be true of

other diaphoretics.  This is also helpful when the adrenals and kidneys are

overstressed.

  Elecampane is helpful in pleurisy and can be combined with Pleurisy root,

comfrey, mullein, and/or a aromatic such as fennel, peppermint, etc.  Check

the specific properties of each herb to see if it matches what you want to

accomplish.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Immunostimulants

From: Juan Homs <jhoms@GRN.ES>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 15:12:14 +0100

--------

Dear Lee, Henriette and Anita,



Thank you all for your answers. I have some more questions concerning the

plants mentioned in your posts. According to Lee's post it is clear that

chickweed DOES NOT stimulate the immune system, but can you please confirm

this fact for the other plants mentioned: Cleavers, Yarrow, Boneset and

Elecampane?



I insist on this point because the advice I am seeking is for a person (my

wife) who after a lupus episode at 17 y.o. (according to the doctors....but

even the doctors are not completely sure about that), their kidneys

collapsed. Some years later she received a kidney transplant and now is

under cyclosporine (immune depressor) and cortison therapy. Now she is very

prone to cath colds, influenza and throat infections.



Other questions and comments:



Chickweed (Stellaria media): As far as I know Chickweed is not a widely

used medicinal plant in my country (Spain). Therefore it cannot be found

easily through the usual channels. I could try to find it in the wild but I

do not have any description or picture to accomplish an accurate

identification (and I do not know if it grows in my area neither). I have

read

in the AGIS EthnobotDB that Stellaria media is used in Spain as an

expectorant (?).



Elecampane (Inula helenium): Due to the high content of inulin (up to 50%

in the essential oil) which acts as a diuretic, couldn't be dangerous to

administer this plant to this person?



Boneset (Eupatorium perfoliatum): In my country (Spain) the only known and

available Eupatorium is E.cannabinum. Do you know if both species have the

same actions or similar chemical composition? E.cannabinum is rich in

Inulin like Inula helenium.



Cleavers (Galium aparine): The sole indications I can find in my books for

this herb are: lack of apetite, urine retention, cystitis, rheumatism,

gout, lactation and gastric spasms. Why do you think it is a good choice

for the mentioned case?



Excuse me for asking you to be more precise but I am not an expert and I do

not want to make mistakes or gamble with someone's health. I think herbs

can be useful provided you know what you are doing, giving or advising.



Thanks again for your answers.



Regards from Spain

Juan



----------



Lee wrote:



> >hi juan,

> >

> >been looking around a bit, and a good herb for colds, flu, pleurasy,

> >pnumonia & asthma (without stimulating the immune system) is

> >

> >chickweed (stellar media). can be taken in tea, used in poltices or

> >*eaten* fresh.

> >

> >                                        Lee.

> >





Anita wrote:

> >

> Look to diaphoretics such as Yarrow, Boneset, Peppermint, Elecampane,etc.

> but know HOW to use them correctly.  They are not much good taken in

> capsules, IMHO.  They are best used in a HOT infusion.  I've found that a

> daily dose of Boneset during flu season helps ward off the plague.  Maybe

> it's my imagination.  When Yarrow is taken cold it's influence is spent

largely on the liver

>so could be effective in helping a "tired" liver.  They same might be true

of

> other diaphoretics.  This is also helpful when the adrenals and

kidneysare

> overstressed.

> Elecampane is helpful in pleurisy and can be combined with Pleurisy root,

comfrey, mullein, and/or a > aromatic such as fennel, peppermint, etc.

Check

> the specific properties of each herb to see if it matches what you want

to accomplish.





Henriette wrote:



>Ah, now you're talkin'.  I have a tendency to favor the "Granny or Wise

>Woman," approach to treatments.  Use what's readily available, etc., if at

>all possible.   I certainly agree with taking the chickweed, and would

like

>to include Cleavers (Galium aperine).  It is growing wild over everything

>tincture, infusion, etc. for a spring tonic.  It has a wonderful action on

>the lymph system to clean it out.  The Chickweed (Stellar media), is a

>wonderful potherb, too, and is growing everywhere right now.

>Good eatin' and good health!

>T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb store owners

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sat, 1 Mar 1997 23:44:13 -0500

--------

hi tom,



        six months ago i would have said yes, if that's the game that they want

to play, we'll go with the flow, all get our D.I.N.'s play their game,

submit our  proofs and the government will leave us alone.



        however i no longer believe this. if herbs get classified as drugs, we

the herbalists will lose any & all control. because of their

classification as drugs with their requisite D.I.N.'s , herbs will only

be allowed to be prescibed by medical doctors. Few and far between are

the M.D's who would be willing to undergo cetification courses to become

registered herbalists.



        from the start it would be a conflict of interest. the whole mindset is

different.  doctors squelch symptoms one by one.

whereas we wholistically help the whole person to help themselves become

healthy.



        to my knowlege there are no pharmaceutical colleges which offer couses

in pharmaceuticals, (there's on rumoured in chicago is this true

anyone?) however the Herb Research Foundation in Colorado offer

graduate level courses in botanicals for Pharmacists.



        by the way there is hope, light at the end of the tunnel. in my courses

this year i have a Pharmacist and an M.D. !



have you signed the petitions which are going around?



                                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Anxiety and Nerves

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 16:00:33 GMT

--------

> i have trieda ll kinds of homeopathics. all the popular ones , many of the

> unpopular ones and many obscure ones. none of em work. a good friend of

mine

> is ahomeopathic dr and he says forget it



'Trying' things isn't the same thing as therapy. Being a 'homeopathic dr'

isn't the same thing as knowing what you're talking about.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Anxiety and Nerves

From: AmyW <safety@TELEVAR.COM>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:08:32 GMT

--------

Hello to all,



Would like any feed back from those of you who have had any success

with herbs and vitamins.  My hubby's nerves have really bothered him

for the last three years.



He is on a healthy diet, no sugar and refined foods.  A mulit =

vitamin, extra calcium, vit e,c,b,a and am trying St. John's

Wort...because we at first thought it was depression, but now I'm

pretty sure it's bad nerves.  thanks



AmyW



=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=

e-mail: safety@televar.com

homepage: http://members.aol.com/safety123/index.htm

Thought of the day:

        Compooters never make mistaches





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Anxiety and Nerves

From: R Tepole <Traa9@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 14:15:26 -0500

--------

i have trieda ll kinds of homeopathics. all the popular ones , many of the

unpopular ones and many obscure ones. none of em work. a good friend of mine

is ahomeopathic dr and he says forget it





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Anxiety and Nerves

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 20:16:43 UT

--------

Amy look into fresh oats. from my understanding they need to be fresh, you

should be able to purchase them in a freah tincture



----------

From:   Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list on behalf of AmyW

Sent:   Sunday, March 02, 1997 2:08 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Anxiety and Nerves



Hello to all,



Would like any feed back from those of you who have had any success

with herbs and vitamins.  My hubby's nerves have really bothered him

for the last three years.



He is on a healthy diet, no sugar and refined foods.  A mulit =3D

vitamin, extra calcium, vit e,c,b,a and am trying St. John's

Wort...because we at first thought it was depression, but now I'm

pretty sure it's bad nerves.  thanks



AmyW



=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D=

-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D-=3D

e-mail: safety@televar.com

homepage: http://members.aol.com/safety123/index.htm

Thought of the day:

        Compooters never make mistaches





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Anxiety and Nerves

From: Bruce Mencer <BAMencer@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 19:45:47 -0500

--------

Regarding the comments on nerves and any herbs that might help:

  I can tell you from experience that a product called "Stress-X" works very

well(no commercial interest).  I have also had great success with valerian

root and siberian ginseng.  Due to many unusual circumstances in my life and

the life of several family members things had gotten extremely tough to deal

with and I could not function anything close to normal.  I have used the

above two treatments and for four months I have been living normally now.





Bruce





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Anxiety and Nerves

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 08:14:13 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-02 19:47:32 EST, you write:



<< Re: Anxiety and Nerves >>

You could try valerian root or cammomile tea.

luvlylin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Anxiety and Nerves

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:53:16 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-02 14:11:03 EST, you write:



<<

 Would like any feed back from those of you who have had any success

 with herbs and vitamins.  My hubby's nerves have really bothered him

 for the last three years.

  >>



Amy,



There are several good products out there, but a company called Trace

Minerals (no financial interest) puts out a product called Stress-X. It is

excellent! It is a combination of minerals and herbs (Valerian included) that

will just de-stress and mellow frustration and anger within an hour. It is

not cheap, but the company is top of the line and give a full money back

guarantee.



Wishing you the best,



Kathy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Anxiety and Nerves

From: Kathy Hartman <ldywind@BAYSERVE.NET>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:40:27 -0600

--------

Hi Kathy....



Where can one order products such as Stress-X?  Does this company have a

catalog?  Thanks in advance...:-)



Kathy.....:-)

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Kathy Hartman

ldywind@bayserve.net

Cooper:  Neutered Male, White,brindle ears, brindle eye patch, natural

ears, 60 lbs.

http://www.bayserve.net/~ldywind/whatwords.html



ICQ# 170857 http://www.mirabilis.com/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Anxiety and Nerves

From: R Tepole <Traa9@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:48:33 -0500

--------

take a normal vitamin twice a day





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Anxiety and Nerves

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:55:21 -0900

--------

At 06:40 PM 3/3/97 -0600, Kathy Hartman wrote:

>Hi Kathy....

>

>Where can one order products such as Stress-X?  Does this company have a

>catalog?  Thanks in advance...:-)

>

>Kathy.....:-)

>--

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Kathy Hartman

>ldywind@bayserve.net

>Cooper:  Neutered Male, White,brindle ears, brindle eye patch, natural

>ears, 60 lbs.

>http://www.bayserve.net/~ldywind/whatwords.html

>

>ICQ# 170857 http://www.mirabilis.com/

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>

There's many versions of John Christopher's herbal remedies out there.

This is probably one of them.  Just go to your herb store and look for

words like, "stress", "relax", and "ease" (ez). Nature's way has one,

Nature's Sunshine has one, there are others.  You could also get the bulk

herbs and "roll-your-own".  It's not too difficult to fill capsules.  Or

just drink it in a tea (if you can stand the taste).





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: high blood pressure

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 11:58:08 -0500

--------

I have a friend/male/42yrs old who was diagnosed with high blood

pressure//It seems ever since he went on his medication he has gained

weight and has heart palpitations.I wonder if there are herbal alternatives

to support him.?



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs and memory loss

From: Lynn Whitney <LynnW1@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:07:59 -0500

--------

Hello,

I am looking for information on herbs and temporary memory loss. Would anyone

know of any herbs that would cause temporary memory loss up to 24 hours. The

reason for my request is a writer-friend is working on a novel where her hero

will need to have a twent-four hour memory loss. Accuracy is important to

her. Any help you can give me will be greatly appreciated. Private email is

fine. No need to clog the list.

Thanks.

              Lynn Whitney

               LynnW1@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs and memory loss

From: R Tepole <Traa9@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:14:10 -0500

--------

st johns wort





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs and memory loss

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 05:31:10 GMT

--------

On Sun, 2 Mar 1997 15:14:10 -0500, R Tepole <Traa9@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>st johns wort



Tehehe. Nice joke. Now I'll just add it as a fact to the FAQ and be done with it

- how much shall we bet that the next hysterical question on all the medicinal

herb forums on the internet is:



   'Is it true that St.John's wort causes 24 hour memory loss?'



I wish...

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:45:16 GMT

--------

> <<have tried goldenseal, several homeopathic MIXTURES-prescribed by

> homeopath,

>  sepia, nux vomica, ginger, lavender, accupuncture, small meals, food/drink

>  before feet hit floor in AM, wrist bands for nausea, >>

>

> First of all, I can NOT believe you gave her GOLDENSEAL!!!  It is a uterine

> stimulint, and it should be AVOIDED during pregnancy at ALL costs!!!  Same

as

> Black or Blue Cohosh.



Tell her to stop eating fruit and fruit juice, and don't use homeopathic

mixtures on your patients regardless of WHO recommends them, ESPECIALLY

during pregnancy.



If you want to be a healer, you need to learn DIAGNOSIS, or syndrome

analysis. Put that shotgun into the closet for good before you hurt someone.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:45:23 GMT

--------

> Could anyone recommend something that I could take for the pain and

> irritation of irritable bowel syndrome?  When this flares, so does

> everything else. My colon seems to be very sensitive to changes in diet

> etc.  This last flare was caused I think, from taking vitamin C.  It was

> the worst I've ever had...and my colon felt like it was so raw on the

> inside.  Different from usual flares.  I take elavil, xanax, and

> donital.  I'm wondering too about seratonin and melatonin.  I crave

> carbohydrates and wonder if the seratonin might help, and the melatonin

> with sleep.



Stop eating any fruit or fruit juice, any stimulants (especially coffee), and

all COLD drinks and foods, especially ice cream. Do NOT delay or skip meals.



That's where you start getting this whole thing back together.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help

From: Kathy Hartman <ldywind@BAYSERVE.NET>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:25:43 -0600

--------

Greetings,



My name is Kathy, and I'm new to the list.  I have a question, and hope

that perhaps someone may have some recommendations.



I have fibromyalgia, irritable bowel syndrome, chronic fatigue syndrome,

and post traumatic syndrome, suffer from intense headaches starting in

the back of my neck, insomnia, and the list could go on. It seems that

there are so many things going wrong with my physical self, that I'm

overwhelmed.



Could anyone recommend something that I could take for the pain and

irritation of irritable bowel syndrome?  When this flares, so does

everything else. My colon seems to be very sensitive to changes in diet

etc.  This last flare was caused I think, from taking vitamin C.  It was

the worst I've ever had...and my colon felt like it was so raw on the

inside.  Different from usual flares.  I take elavil, xanax, and

donital.  I'm wondering too about seratonin and melatonin.  I crave

carbohydrates and wonder if the seratonin might help, and the melatonin

with sleep.



My thanks in advance.......



Blessings to you all,



Kathy.....:-D

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Kathy Hartman

ldywind@bayserve.net

Cooper:  Neutered Male, White,brindle ears, brindle eye patch, natural

ears, 60 lbs.

http://www.bayserve.net/~ldywind/whatwords.html



ICQ# 170857 http://www.mirabilis.com/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help

From: Kathy Hartman <ldywind@BAYSERVE.NET>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 15:20:55 -0600

--------

Hi Paul,



Thank you ever so much for your advice.  I'm in the process of doing

away with caffene, down to 1 cup of coffee.  Rarely eat fruits, but I do

drink cold gingerale.



Blessings,



Kathy..:-)

--

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Kathy Hartman

ldywind@bayserve.net

Cooper:  Neutered Male, White,brindle ears, brindle eye patch, natural

ears, 60 lbs.

http://www.bayserve.net/~ldywind/whatwords.html



ICQ# 170857 http://www.mirabilis.com/

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help

From: Mike McLain <Watcher@CSOLUTION.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 16:40:16 CST

--------

I know this has been asked a thousand times..but I am new to the list

and haven't seen much about it.

Could someone..any..all.. give me some suggestions on what might be

useful in weight loss. The person has high blood pressure and is taking

garlic and this is helping. Now needs to get rid of some extra pounds.

Thanks!

Here is my e-mail so you can send any messages private if you wish and

not clog up the List.

Watcher@CSolution.com

Mike

Thanks again..your help is appreciated!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help

From: R Tepole <Traa9@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:35:12 -0500

--------

duh

eat veggies





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help

From: "M. Pacord" <Mpacord@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:53:11 -0500

--------

You might try stopping everything for a while.  God only knows what

interactions you are having.  Give your system a chance to settle down, and

then use what you think you need for specific problems.  "Of course, that's

just my opinion; I could be wrong". (Thanks to Deniis Miller for that one.)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Melaleuca or Tea Tree oil

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:51:43 GMT

--------

> Paul,

> Have you heard of Tea tree oil and if so what are your thoughts on the

> matter.



My thoughts are that Tea tree oil is for external use in cases of infection,

particularly fungal infection. It is a major 'antidoter' of homeopathic

remedies, and has a foul taste and smell. I don't recommend it for internal

use.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Vegan Chinese remedies, was Re(2): Affordab

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 14:53:28 GMT

--------

> On Wed, 19 Feb 1997, Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> > > Well my favorite hot sore throat remedy, Lu Shen Wa has toad secretions

> > > and "calculus bovus".  We call them "frog pills" around home.

> >

> > Ouch. That you can even get these pills is an amazement to me. This

formula,

> > actually Liu Shen Wan (6 Spirits Pill), is highly toxic, and should not

be

> > used outside of cases of diphtheria or severe throat infection. It

contains,

> > in addition to toad secretion (itself toxic), arsenic (realgar) and

borneol

> > (something like camphor). The FDA destroys these pills on sight here in

Los

> > Angeles...I'm surprised you are finding them so conveniently available.

> >

> > On the vegan count, they also contain cow bilestone.

> >

> > Paul

> >

> Yow!  Please elaborate.  Are these the same pills I was blithely handed

> last week when I walked into my local Chinese herbalist's shop here in

> Seattle, complaining of a sore throat?



Yes, a Chinese pharmacy is NOT a reliable place to take recommendations.



>I've been carrying around the list

> of ingredients with me for the past week, yes some quite exotic and once

> "translated" of questionable morality(?), and flashing it in the face of

> friends and relatives as proof that these ten tiny pills are made of

> animal (hmm) and plant materials that, though apparantly obscure,

> completely relieved my pain.  (Yes, this could have been symptomatic.  I

> did chew some of them before swallowing and felt an interesting numbness

> on the back of my throat.)



They ARE effective, just a bit dangerous for mild cases, which are better

handled with plants alone.



> The pills I bought, $1.00 for a one day supply in three little vials,

> don't list arsenic or borneol as ingredients.



Which, unfortunately, doesn't mean they aren't in there.



>they do contain toad

> secretions (venom), the cow galls, water buffalo horn, pearl, bear gall,



That is NOT bear gall (which is illegal, really expensive, and utterly

immoral). It is pig gall.



> borax, musk,



Probably no musk in there either.



>and the sole botanical ingredient: rhizoma Coptidis (28%).

> These pills don't have a pinyin name.  The English name is Laryngitis

> Pills, and looking up the characters in my Korean dictionary, a rough

> translation of theChinese would be "Throat Flame Pills". (I guess they do

> have a pinyin name, it just wasn't included...)



Hou Yan Wan (Throat Inflammation Pills). Not the same pills as the original

post, but similar.



> are these things that I should stop taking?  Or in what conditions would

> they be appropriate?



Pustular throat infections, which in the U.S. are better treated



>Truthfully, I'm not too fond of injesting the more

> "wild" animal ingredients, so is there a patent remedy you could reccomend

> for a flaming throat or does anyone have a favorite herbal remedy for this

> problem?



Yin Chiao (Qiao) Wan is FAR BETTER for common sore throat from colds. Mild,

safe, and effective.



>Is an irritation in the throat that accompanies other symptoms

> of a viral infection, or would seem to be stemming from the onset of a

> viral infection, always best treated by remedies specific to the throat

> discomfort in addition to more general remedies for viral (pernicious

> type?) invasions?



If you treat the sore throat right away, often the illness can be aborted.

That is, provided you have been living appropriately, and the illness is not

a punishment.



>If one only treats the throat problem is the solution

> just a symptomatic relief and an ignoring of a deeper problem?



No, it treats the illness. Throat infections, except as just mentioned, are

often not representative of deeper problems, but of seasonal and

environmental shifts, stress, lack of rest, and spirit difficulty (all of

which are generally temporary).



>Yes, I was

> given a box of Yin Chiao pills too for helping protect my body aginst the

> possiblity of catching a "cold".  Unfortunately it caught.



Not a useful prophylactic in general.



> One more question: are there any problems/counter indications against

> taking echinacia tincture at the same time as Yin Chia pills (Lonicera and

> Forsythia, etc.).  Am I just overwhelming myself?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Anna



I don't see why you can't do that, so no, overwhelm away!



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Vegan Chinese remedies, was Re(2): Affordab

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:23:42 GMT

--------

> > The pills I bought, $1.00 for a one day supply in three little vials,

> > don't list arsenic or borneol as ingredients.

>

> Which, unfortunately, doesn't mean they aren't in there.



I should say, however, that I'm not implying it IS in there. It probably is

not.



> > are these things that I should stop taking?  Or in what conditions would

> > they be appropriate?

>

> Pustular throat infections, which in the U.S. are better treated



...with antibiotics.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Tx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy???

From: Midge Jolly <Midgewife@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:49:43 -0500

--------

Dear list,



am new to your list...enjoying the spirited discussions and interesting

topics...am midwife with home birth practice in Florida Keys...



have a request for info please re: any therapeutic suggestions for relief of

nausea without vomiting in early pregnancy...client is 2nd time mom and  has

confirmed history of nausea of early pregnancy lasting through ~wk20!... with

previous pregnancy...expecting another several weeks..., no weight loss,

maintaing acceptable nutritive intake...



have tried goldenseal, several homeopathic MIXTURES-prescribed by homeopath,

sepia, nux vomica, ginger, lavender, accupuncture, small meals, food/drink

before feet hit floor in AM, wrist bands for nausea,  lots of rest (nausea is

truly so debilitating that she has little choice about activity level)...ALL

to no avail...will eagerly await any and all suggestions...



Peppermint is OUT as she has acid reflux, aggravated by same...



TIA...midge midwife in Florida





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy???

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:16:09 EST

--------

I have found that chewing on pickled sushi ginger is very calming to the

stomach, and straight (non-homeopathic) ginger is a traditional remedy.

I wore a small magnet on my wrist point during my first few months of

pregnancy- it works better than the wristbands.



Paul has cautioned strongly against homeopathic preparations during

pregnancy.  While they don't work by substance, he believes that the

influence of the preparations have a strength that a developing baby

should not be exposed to.



Would the nausea have a purpose:  does she need to rest more or avoid

stressful work during this trimester?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 10:49:43 -0500 Midge Jolly <Midgewife@AOL.COM> writes:

>Dear list,

>

>am new to your list...enjoying the spirited discussions and

>interesting

>topics...am midwife with home birth practice in Florida Keys...

>

>have a request for info please re: any therapeutic suggestions for

>relief of

>nausea without vomiting in early pregnancy...client is 2nd time mom

>and  has

>confirmed history of nausea of early pregnancy lasting through

>~wk20!... with

>previous pregnancy...expecting another several weeks..., no weight

>loss,

>maintaing acceptable nutritive intake...

>

>have tried goldenseal, several homeopathic MIXTURES-prescribed by

>homeopath,

>sepia, nux vomica, ginger, lavender, accupuncture, small meals,

>food/drink

>before feet hit floor in AM, wrist bands for nausea,  lots of rest

>(nausea is

>truly so debilitating that she has little choice about activity

>level)...ALL

>to no avail...will eagerly await any and all suggestions...

>

>Peppermint is OUT as she has acid reflux, aggravated by same...

>

>TIA...midge midwife in Florida

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy???

From: Terri Krouse <tkrouse@CJMAIL.TAMPA.US.GEAC.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 11:36:00 EST

--------

Midge,



This may not apply for your patient - but I found through experience that

it was the Pre-Natal vitamins that made me nauseous, but that if I took

them with lunch or dinner instead of breakfast, I was fine.



Terri



 ----------

From:  Midge Jolly[SMTP:Midgewife@AOL.COM]

Sent:  Monday, March 03, 1997 10:49 AM

To:  HERB

Subject:  Tx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy???



Dear list,



am new to your list...enjoying the spirited discussions and interesting

topics...am midwife with home birth practice in Florida Keys...



have a request for info please re: any therapeutic suggestions for relief

of

nausea without vomiting in early pregnancy...client is 2nd time mom and

 has

confirmed history of nausea of early pregnancy lasting through ~wk20!...

with

previous pregnancy...expecting another several weeks..., no weight loss,

maintaing acceptable nutritive intake...



have tried goldenseal, several homeopathic MIXTURES-prescribed by

homeopath,

sepia, nux vomica, ginger, lavender, accupuncture, small meals,

food/drink

before feet hit floor in AM, wrist bands for nausea,  lots of rest

(nausea is

truly so debilitating that she has little choice about activity

level)...ALL

to no avail...will eagerly await any and all suggestions...



Peppermint is OUT as she has acid reflux, aggravated by same...



TIA...midge midwife in Florida





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy???

From: "digest (Stacey L. Knerr)" <K9Show@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 12:50:19 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-03 11:00:12 EST, you write:



<<have tried goldenseal, several homeopathic MIXTURES-prescribed by

homeopath,

 sepia, nux vomica, ginger, lavender, accupuncture, small meals, food/drink

 before feet hit floor in AM, wrist bands for nausea, >>



First of all, I can NOT believe you gave her GOLDENSEAL!!!  It is a uterine

stimulint, and it should be AVOIDED during pregnancy at ALL costs!!!  Same as

Black or Blue Cohosh.



I, too, was VERY sick during the first 4-5 months of my pregnancy (lost

nearly 30 pounds).  I could drink water, and chamomile tea with a little

gingert (sometimes).



--Stacey





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy???

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 17:53:23 -0900

--------

At 10:49 AM 3/3/97 -0500, Midge Jolly wrote:

>Dear list,

>

>am new to your list...enjoying the spirited discussions and interesting

>topics...am midwife with home birth practice in Florida Keys...

>

>have a request for info please re: any therapeutic suggestions for relief of

>nausea without vomiting in early pregnancy...client is 2nd time mom and  has

>confirmed history of nausea of early pregnancy lasting through ~wk20!... with

I had terrible nausea with all 5 pregnancies and it lasted the entire time.

 finally with the last child I discovered acupuncture.  It brought about

instant relief from the nausea and dizziness.  I wish I'd found this 10

years earlier.  I heartily recommend it for nausea with pregnancy.  Find a

good acupuncturist.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy???

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:18:55 -0500

--------

midge,

try ginger root, peeled cut into small pieces infused in boiling water.

in a *very* weak solution. if she has no ulcers. marshmallow leave tea

should help with the acid reflux as would slippery elm.



keep up the good work, (i think it's great having a midwife on the

list!)



Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy???

From: Jack Forbush <chirho@IME.NET>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 01:57:15 -0500

--------

At 10:49 AM 3/3/97 -0500, Midge Jolly wrote:

>

>have tried goldenseal, several homeopathic MIXTURES-prescribed by homeopath,

>sepia, nux vomica, ginger, lavender,



        Leafing through Richard Moskowitz's Homeopathic Medicine for Pregnancy &

Childbirth, I noticed pulsatilla, cocculus, nat-mur, ignatia, phosphorus,

colchicum, ipecac and symphoricarpus.  Perhaps her case could be taken by a

professional homeopath to find the simillimum.



Respectfully,



Jack

___________________________________



Jack Forbush RN, CCRN, CEN

E-mail: chirho@ime.net

http://www.angelfire.com/me/chirho (under construction)

"Tell me...what's going on inside of me.  I despise my own behavior.  This

only serves to  confirm my suspicion, that I'm still a man in need of a

Savior."

                                                        DC Talk





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pains in legs

From: Laura Anne Towart <laurato@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 13:35:40 -0500

--------

I used to experience unbearable leg pains during periods of growth.  My

mother used to massage them with Vitamin E cream (it wasn't the white

creamy kind, rather the jellylike balm). This helped a lot- but it

could've been the placebo effect or something.

Also, you may want to take her to a podiatrist. She may be walking

improperly, putting stress on her shins and calfs. Good Luck!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pains in legs

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:38:02 -0900

--------

At 01:35 PM 3/3/97 -0500, Laura Anne Towart wrote:

>I used to experience unbearable leg pains during periods of growth.  My

>mother used to massage them with Vitamin E cream (it wasn't the white

>creamy kind, rather the jellylike balm). This helped a lot- but it

>could've been the placebo effect or something.

>Also, you may want to take her to a podiatrist. She may be walking

>improperly, putting stress on her shins and calfs. Good Luck!

>

>

Just a thought....could there be mineral deficiency in play here?  Perhaps

more calcium, magnesium, selenium etc???  I would also get some Elder

flower oil for massageing the legs.  It is wonderfully soothing.  Massage

would help circulation.  Perhaps using herbs to aid circulation would help.

 Prickly Ash??





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:11:27 GMT

--------

> Though they seem to be

> >related to stress, none of my "calming" herbs (i.e. Valerian, Chamomile,

> >Passion Flower, etc.) seem to work on these headaches.  They start up by

> >my sinuses and work their way to the back of my head and into my neck.

> >Any suggestions?



If they start in your sinuses, then consider either the Lungs or the Stomach.

Either they are Hot or stagnant. Try pear juice or peppermint tea the next

time you feel one coming on, see what it does.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Headaches

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 18:50:18 -0900

--------

>X-POP3-Rcpt: hales1@alaska

>Return-Path: DMZACCAGNINI@CSBSJU.EDU

>From: "Zaccagnini, Deana M" <DMZACCAGNINI@CSBSJU.EDU>

>To: "'hales1@ktn.net'" <hales1@ktn.net>

>Subject: Headaches

>Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:59:05 -0600

>Encoding: 26 TEXT

>

>Anita-please foward this to the herb list.  I can't see to do so any

>more.

>

>I often get these horrible headaches that only Excedrin seem to help.

>While I don't mind using it, I am trying to cut down because it is not

>always easy on the stomach.  Any suggestions?  These are not migraines,

>so I do not think Feverfew would be the best.  Though they seem to be

>related to stress, none of my "calming" herbs (i.e. Valerian, Chamomile,

>Passion Flower, etc.) seem to work on these headaches.  They start up by

>my sinuses and work their way to the back of my head and into my neck.

>Any suggestions?

>

>Thanks.

>

>

>

>----------------------------------------------------------------

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>Love binds sacred marriages by chaste affections;

>Love makes the laws which join true friends.

>

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>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Headaches

From: Elizabeth Scotten <escotten@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 09:02:40 -0500

--------

A friend of mine has been having an awful time with her head for the last

year or so and has been going the allopathic route. She doesn't want to be

on medication any more because she says it makes her fuzzy- headed and

doesn't feel right about all the chemicals. she's very open to any

suggestions and any feedback would be welcome.  Here's what she sent. Any

suggestions?



>Anyway, my symptoms are as follows:

>daily headache (as in continuous)

>across the front of my head

>it feels like my head is too tight

>a continuous, not throbbing pain

>no vision problems

>some sensitivity to noise, but that's been really recent

>the intensity changes from low level annoyance to debilitating

>usually low to medium however

>it goes away if I take medication

>- reduction of pain with Tylenol

>- no pain with some of the prescription stuff they have me on but it always

>comes back within 12 hours

>mild nausea, but I'm not sure if that's from the drugs or the headache

>it gets worse if I don't eat or get enough sleep

>

>meds:

>ortho-novum 7/7/7

>

>the doctors have me on:

>depakote (something they give people for seizures)

>lots of pain killers (I don't take those unless I can't sleep - about 1-2

>times a month)



TIA, eliz





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 19:11:21 EST

--------

Are the one to two times a month related to her menstrual cycle?  Have

they started after the ortho novum?  What is her diet like?  Any food

sensitivities?  Can you give us information on identifying her

constitution type?  Headaches are associated with any number of

conditions.  We need more information.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Sat, 8 Mar 1997 09:02:40 -0500 Elizabeth Scotten

<escotten@EARTHLINK.NET> writes:

>A friend of mine has been having an awful time with her head for the

last

>year or so and has been going the allopathic route. She doesn't want to

be

>on medication any more because she says it makes her fuzzy- headed and

>doesn't feel right about all the chemicals. she's very open to any

>suggestions and any feedback would be welcome.  Here's what she sent.

>Any suggestions?

>

>>Anyway, my symptoms are as follows:

>>daily headache (as in continuous)

>>across the front of my head

>>it feels like my head is too tight

>>a continuous, not throbbing pain

>>no vision problems

>>some sensitivity to noise, but that's been really recent

>>the intensity changes from low level annoyance to debilitating

>>usually low to medium however

>>it goes away if I take medication

>>- reduction of pain with Tylenol

>>- no pain with some of the prescription stuff they have me on but it

>always

>>comes back within 12 hours

>>mild nausea, but I'm not sure if that's from the drugs or the

>headache

>>it gets worse if I don't eat or get enough sleep

>>

>>meds:

>>ortho-novum 7/7/7

>>

>>the doctors have me on:

>>depakote (something they give people for seizures)

>>lots of pain killers (I don't take those unless I can't sleep - about

>1-2

>>times a month)

>

>TIA, eliz

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:54:41 GMT

--------

> >Anyway, my symptoms are as follows:

> >daily headache (as in continuous)

> >across the front of my head

> >it feels like my head is too tight

> >a continuous, not throbbing pain

> >no vision problems

> >some sensitivity to noise, but that's been really recent

> >the intensity changes from low level annoyance to debilitating

> >usually low to medium however

> >it goes away if I take medication

> >- reduction of pain with Tylenol

> >- no pain with some of the prescription stuff they have me on but it

always

> >comes back within 12 hours

> >mild nausea, but I'm not sure if that's from the drugs or the headache

> >it gets worse if I don't eat or get enough sleep



All signs of Digestive imbalance. This is not a person who eats right.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Headaches

From: Elizabeth Scotten <escotten@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:02:43 -0500

--------

Okay, here's her profile. The doctors ruled out ortho novum as a

possibility. She was put on it in college to deal with severe

edndometriosis. She is 28 years old. a naval intelligence officer. Mostly

teaches other recruits for her job. her diet consists of very little red

meat. She tries to go the "low fat, low cholesterol" route and tries to do

some form of excersize regularly. She has been generally overall very

healthy. About three years ago though, she suffered severe anxiety attacks

leading to a nervous breakdown where doctors had her on antidepressants.

She hates being on medications but at the time it seemed to be the best

solution. She enjoys her job, though it is sometimes stressful. Her

personal life is mostly very satisfying. Is there anything i've missed?



TIA  eliz





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:12:01 GMT

--------

> Okay, here's her profile. The doctors ruled out ortho novum as a

> possibility. She was put on it in college to deal with severe

> edndometriosis.



Yeah, but the endometriosis IS THE CAUSE! And the drug isn't curing it.



>She is 28 years old. a naval intelligence officer. Mostly

> teaches other recruits for her job. her diet consists of very little red

> meat. She tries to go the "low fat, low cholesterol" route and tries to do

> some form of excersize regularly. She has been generally overall very

> healthy. About three years ago though, she suffered severe anxiety attacks

> leading to a nervous breakdown where doctors had her on antidepressants.

> She hates being on medications but at the time it seemed to be the best

> solution. She enjoys her job, though it is sometimes stressful. Her

> personal life is mostly very satisfying. Is there anything i've missed?



Stuck Blood left to fester leads to mental problems. This is a woman with

splotchy skin I will bet.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:11:42 GMT

--------

> I am truly amazed at the unbelievable hostiltiy and arrogance of several

> responses to my simple request for info...it is unbecoming for healers to

> judge and attack one another in this manner....what about questioning

> rationale or "the rest of the story"...



Rationale? With such a laundry list of contrary therapies, what is missing is

a SYNDROME DIFFERENTIATION. 'Nausea' is at best a pigeonhole. It isn't even a

diagnosis.



> My client chose (note the word chose) to seek the advice of a homeopath and

> ultimately to follow the advice that she received from same...NOT my job to

> make her decisions for her, she is a grown, intelligent woman...



Well, maybe your purview isn't sufficient. It is CERTAINLY my job to make

referrals and inform my clients of what sorts of therapy are appropriate, and

which AREN'T.



> ..I sure hope that all of you folks on this list are not as arrogant and

> assumptive as the posts from Paul and Stacey...

>makes me wonder if perhaps we

> need a herb list that is more open to sharing information rather than

judging

> other practitioners without all of the facts and touting theories as

> fact...



There are other lists. 'Theories for facts'...what is that supposed to mean?



>blessings and prayers for your continued health...midge, midwife in

> florida---not sure what shotgun you are referring to but wonder if maybe it

> is your own...sure are some loose cannons apparent from where i sit...



Precise shots win battles. You or your client are just shooting into the

dark, poignantly.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: Midge Jolly <Midgewife@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:35:48 -0500

--------

Stacey,



Goldenseal, according to Jethro Kloss (who I have relied on for years) used

in a very dilute solution can have a great effect on reducing nausea. Please

refer to directions for preparing solution under listing of Goldenseal in

Back to Eden. Kindly in future, before you scream at me (or perhaps anyone)

you might consider questioning the rationale and preparation of therapy

rather than assuming the worst...peace and blessings...midge, midwife in

florida



In a message dated 97-03-03 19:37:02 EST, you write:



>

><<have tried goldenseal, several homeopathic MIXTURES-prescribed by

>homeopath,

> sepia, nux vomica, ginger, lavender, accupuncture, small meals, food/drink

> before feet hit floor in AM, wrist bands for nausea, >>

>

>First of all, I can NOT believe you gave her GOLDENSEAL!!!  It is a uterine

>stimulint, and it should be AVOIDED during pregnancy at ALL costs!!!  Same

as

>Black or Blue Cohosh.

>

>I, too, was VERY sick during the first 4-5 months of my pregnancy (lost

>nearly 30 pounds).  I could drink water, and chamomile tea with a little

>gingert (sometimes).

>

>--Stacey





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:50:00 -0500

--------

midge said,

Goldenseal, according to Jethro Kloss (who I have relied on for years)

used

in a very dilute solution can have a great effect on reducing nausea.

Please

refer to directions for preparing solution under listing of Goldenseal

in

Back to Eden. Kindly in future, before you scream at me (or perhaps

anyone)

you might consider questioning the rationale and preparation of therapy

rather than assuming the worst...peace and blessings...midge, midwife in

florida



i quote Kloss on this:



"(goldenseal) Taken in small but frequent doses, it will allay nausea

during pregnancy. Steep a teaspoonful in a pint of boiling water for

twenty minutes, stir well, let settle, and pour off the liquid. Take six

tablespoonfuls a day."



doesn't practical clinical experience count for anything anymore?



as for,

 >First of all, I can NOT believe you gave her GOLDENSEAL!!!  It is a

uterine

>stimulint, and it should be AVOIDED during pregnancy at ALL costs!!!  Same

as

>Black or Blue Cohosh.



The cohoshes in *later pregnancy*, i.e. six weeks before due date.  are

wonderful allies, for stimulating contractions, regulating contractions,

making contractions more effecient (thus cutting significantly the time

in labour reducing maternal fatigue & the    *need* :>} for cesarian

sections)



                                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: Midge Jolly <Midgewife@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:35:50 -0500

--------

Paul,



Guess I have finally arrived! Flamed twice in one digest, so far that is...



I am truly amazed at the unbelievable hostiltiy and arrogance of several

responses to my simple request for info...it is unbecoming for healers to

judge and attack one another in this manner....what about questioning

rationale or "the rest of the story"...



My client chose (note the word chose) to seek the advice of a homeopath and

ultimately to follow the advice that she received from same...NOT my job to

make her decisions for her, she is a grown, intelligent woman...



..I sure hope that all of you folks on this list are not as arrogant and

assumptive as the posts from Paul and Stacey...makes me wonder if perhaps we

need a herb list that is more open to sharing information rather than judging

other practitioners without all of the facts and touting theories as

fact...blessings and prayers for your continued health...midge, midwife in

florida---not sure what shotgun you are referring to but wonder if maybe it

is your own...sure are some loose cannons apparent from where i sit...



In a message dated 97-03-03 19:37:02 EST, you write:



>Tell her to stop eating fruit and fruit juice, and don't use homeopathic

>mixtures on your patients regardless of WHO recommends them, ESPECIALLY

>during pregnancy.

>

>If you want to be a healer, you need to learn DIAGNOSIS, or syndrome

>analysis. Put that shotgun into the closet for good before you hurt someone.

>

>Paul

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: Midge Jolly <Midgewife@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:14:50 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-03 19:37:02 EST, you write:



>From:    Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>



>

>Would the nausea have a purpose:  does she need to rest more or avoid

>stressful work during this trimester?



We have spent much time going over this ground...as I said in my post, she is

getting lots of rest and is not working other than minimal attendance to her

4yo son....thanks for suggestions about pickled ginger, this has also not

been effective...midge





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: "digest (Stacey L. Knerr)" <K9Show@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 22:48:49 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-03 21:50:45 EST, you write:



<< I sure hope that all of you folks on this list are not as arrogant and

 assumptive as the posts from Paul and Stacey.. >>



WHOA!!!!



Wait a minute!!!!!!!



I don't care if this IS off-topic, but YOU are the one that GAVE her the

Goldenseal, Your words, not mine.  EVERY Herb Book, and EVERY herbalist will

tell you that it (goldenseal) should be avoided during pregnancy.  If you are

a mid-wife, then you should know what to give, and what not to give.



Just defending myself,

--Stacey.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 08:17:43 PST

--------

Sorry Midge while dilute goldenseal is useful for nausea due to

flu's, etc., it is absolutly not appropriate during pregnancy.  It is

a uterine stimulant.

                                        KB

--------------------------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 3/4/97                 Time: 8:17:43 AM

--------------------------------------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:01:57 GMT

--------

> I have never found Goldenseal particularly effective for

> nausea in any case.  There are better things.



The function of goldenseal is to Purge Heat (and Dampness to a degree). IF

Heat is causing nausea, it may work. If Liver Qi is Attacking the Stomach,

bitter herbs like goldenseal are appropriate.



For nausea due to COLD (far more common), goldenseal is inappropriate.



Kloss uniformly failed to note these essential distinctions.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:16:54 -0900

--------

At 10:50 AM 3/4/97 -0500, lee pilgrim wrote:

>midge said,

>Goldenseal, according to Jethro Kloss (who I have relied on for years)

>used

>in a very dilute solution can have a great effect on reducing nausea.

>Please

>refer to directions for preparing solution under listing of Goldenseal

>in

>Back to Eden. Kindly in future, before you scream at me (or perhaps

>anyone)

>you might consider questioning the rationale and preparation of therapy

>rather than assuming the worst...peace and blessings...midge, midwife in

>florida

>

>i quote Kloss on this:

>

>"(goldenseal) Taken in small but frequent doses, it will allay nausea

>during pregnancy. Steep a teaspoonful in a pint of boiling water for

>twenty minutes, stir well, let settle, and pour off the liquid. Take six

>tablespoonfuls a day."

>

>doesn't practical clinical experience count for anything anymore?

>

If a nauseated pregnant woman can stomach the taste of goldenseal long

enough to use it for nausea, more power to her.  It made me throw up.

Also, Jethro Kloss is not one I consider to be an up-to-date source.  There

are many herbalists I prefer over him.

His approach to healing was the "purge-and-puke" school. There are other

approaches.  I have never found Goldenseal particularly effective for

nausea in any case.  There are better things.  Ginger is more effective

IMHO. Also, the treatment of symptoms does nothing usually to cure the

problem that causes the nausea in the first place.

You must ask, "why is there nausea?".  Is the liver involved?  Is digestion

impaired?

Kloss's approach was to purge the colon for almost everything.  This could

be weakening to an already stressed system.  To drive the organs into

action can lead to problems later.  Better to lead the body than push it

into something it can't handle.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:13:15 -0500

--------

i completely agree anita, i was just quoting a source, for the

"doubting thomas's", who believe, "we don't do that because it's never

been done!"



kloss is admittedly a bit (understatement) on the harsh side, but i

think this is partly due to the mindset of his era.



personally i try not to use goldenseal internally (i find it too hard on

the kidneys), however, topically, as an emergency remedy i find that it

can't be beaten.



                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: "digest (Stacey L. Knerr)" <K9Show@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 21:42:05 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-04 10:52:12 EST, you write:



<< 

 The cohoshes in *later pregnancy*, i.e. six weeks before due date.  are

 wonderful allies, for stimulating contractions, regulating contractions,

 making contractions more effecient (thus cutting significantly the time

 in labour reducing maternal fatigue & the    *need* :>} for cesarian

 sections) >>





THIS, I agree with.  You see, I feel I know what I am talking about when it

comes to pregnancy and certain herbs, because I just had a baby NOT to long

ago.  I had nausua for the first 18 weeks....NOTHING helped.....oh well.  And

then to top it all off, I was told that I was going to be chemically induced

with pitocin.  Well......that is when I discovered the joys of Cohosh (Blue

and Black).  



--Stacey





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:37:53 -0500

--------

hi stacey,



glad to hear that i went well, and that you discovered the cohoshes

before the fact. :>}



                                                Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 2 Mar 1997 to 3 Mar 1997

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:15:33 -0900

--------

A

>The function of goldenseal is to Purge Heat (and Dampness to a degree). IF

>Heat is causing nausea, it may work. If Liver Qi is Attacking the Stomach,

>bitter herbs like goldenseal are appropriate.

>

>For nausea due to COLD (far more common), goldenseal is inappropriate.

>

>Kloss uniformly failed to note these essential distinctions.

>

>Paul

>

>

Thank you Paul, for the clarification.  The energetics of herbs is often

overlooked by Western "herbalists". I'm not sure where it got lost.

Certainly Gerard and others were familiar with their application.  It is a

topic that should be addressed.  As I become more comfortable with the

concept, it has made my own diagnosis and treatments more effective.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:07:04 -0500

--------

There is nothing wrong with a nice cup of red raspberry leaf tea while

pregnant.  It balances the system and helps with the nausea.  Use one tsp.

per cup of water if fresh, 1/2 tsp. per cup of water if dried.  Pour boiling

water over leaf and cover tightly for about 10 minutes.  Drink frequently, it

won't hurt you and is given right through labor for an easy pregnancy and

delivery.

 If she decides to have more children she might want to do a cleansing diet

before getting pregnant again to cut down on the nausea.

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rx for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy

From: R Tepole <Traa9@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:08:39 -0500

--------

if you keep on prescribing stuff for pregnancy there is no doubt you will

kill or harm an unborn. is that what you want? do you have insurance?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: allergies

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@FULLNET.NET>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 19:02:36 -0800

--------

Paul,

What do you mean by a homeopathic dr.? An allergist? What?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: John A <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Mon, 3 Mar 1997 21:38:19 +0000

--------

Can anyone tell me of a good herbal source for use in cleansing the

colon and intestines of parasites and the build-up of sludge from the

intake of thousands of meals over the years?



I have seen some things on the market but they seem to be a bit pricey.



Much appreciated.



John A





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 10:07:28 -0500

--------

hi john,

alfalfa (medigago sativa) leaf powder (1 tsp.), mixed in 1 cup of water

or juice before bed.



this plant is very nourishing, cheap, and is a better alternative to

multivitamins and minerals.



i am assuming that this is for your own personal use so that i don't

have to caution you about the possible side effects in menstruating

women! (which are prolonged *heavy* use can cause hemolysis - breakdown

of red blood cells - and thus anemia & women with a tendency toward

menstral hemorraging should avoid alfalfa as it emphasizes this

effect.)        if  so psyllium husks are a good alternative (but they are not

nutritive. their effect on the intestinal tract is mechanical. not

unlike that of sweeping) with psyllium NEVER buy it in capsules.

Dangerous. and always let expand in water 10 minutes before taking. do

NOT combine with slippery elm (ulmus rubra)



that is to eliminate the fecal deposits.



as for the parasites:



take a pint mason jar and fill it with rasins.

make a strong infusion of senna leaves (cassia augustifolia).

pour the hot tea over the raisins, let stand overnight.

eat a tablespoonful of rasins morning & night.

continue till the jar is empty.



repeat 10 days later (to kill any which are newly hatched)



i'm usually against using senna because i find it's cramping effects

rather harsh, however used in this fashion; you don't cramp.



good luck,



                                Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: R Tepole <Traa9@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 09:37:31 -0500

--------

there is nothing in  your colon to think about. my ex in law made a ton of

money flushing ie purifying ie cleansing colons in texas. all he did was make

a lot of pepole very sick





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 19:01:51 GMT

--------

> >there is nothing in  your colon to think about. my ex in law made a ton of

> >money flushing ie purifying ie cleansing colons in texas. all he did was

make

> >a lot of pepole very sick



Purgative therapies are mostly misguided in the West, where most illnesses

are complex (not solely Excess such that purgation is appropriate). In mixed

cases (Deficient/Excess), the proper therapy is Harmonization, with (perhaps)

mild laxation but no purgation.



> I do not agree..After having terrible exuding rashes on the palms of my

> hands and water on one knees(nerve (meridian)overload from colon I am

> told),



Large Intestine Channel pathologies are not necessarily treated with

purgation.



>I sought the help of a person who did a series of colonics for me.I

> have no more rashes,less allergic responses and no more water on the

> knee(which plagued me for ten yrs or so).I was sure to take bifidus and

> acidophilus after each session and of course stay away from dead foods and

> sugar.At the same time as the colonics I gave up working in toxic hair

> salons with all the chemical exposure and opened a salon that uses all

> nontoxic products.So all together the changes worked for me.



Yes, but the changes you describe include more obvious Pathogens than colonic

waste.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 16:00:35 -0500

--------

>there is nothing in  your colon to think about. my ex in law made a ton of

>money flushing ie purifying ie cleansing colons in texas. all he did was make

>a lot of pepole very sick





I do not agree..After having terrible exuding rashes on the palms of my

hands and water on one knees(nerve (meridian)overload from colon I am

told),I sought the help of a person who did a series of colonics for me.I

have no more rashes,less allergic responses and no more water on the

knee(which plagued me for ten yrs or so).I was sure to take bifidus and

acidophilus after each session and of course stay away from dead foods and

sugar.At the same time as the colonics I gave up working in toxic hair

salons with all the chemical exposure and opened a salon that uses all

nontoxic products.So all together the changes worked for me.



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:09:00 -0900

--------

At 04:00 PM 3/4/97 -0500, Lisa Saul wrote:

>>there is nothing in  your colon to think about. my ex in law made a ton of

>>money flushing ie purifying ie cleansing colons in texas. all he did was

make

>>a lot of pepole very sick

>

>

Sounds like he didn't finish the job very well.  when you start "flushing"

toxins out of those hiding places, you can make a person feel awful for a

while.  However, properly done, with prudence, not making the patient

weaker than he/she already is, colonics and cleansing processes have a

place in healing.  They should not be the ONLY thing a person does however.

 Each ailment should be evaluated and treated knowledgeably.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: March HerbNET

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 06:17:22 -0500

--------

March HerbNET magazine is now online.  Medicinal herb is Marsh Mallow,

culinary herb lemon balm, edible flower scented geranium, spice star anise

and essential oil elemi.  These can be found at http://www.herbnet.com.  We

have so many new calendar items that they won't be done for a couple more

days but there are events everywhere.  Also check out our new site at

http://www.herbalconnection.com.  There's still a lot to be done but the

tapes from our conference in Baton Rouge are available online at that

location.  If you're interested in speaking at our next conference in San

Antonio (Jan 28-Feb 1, 1998) we are accepting proposals.  We're looking for

topics in the following categories: general business; the business of

medicinal herbs; and commercial production.   We should have message boards

up in the near future.



We're also working on our major update for The Herbal Green Pages, the

largest directory of herb related businesses available.  We're adding a

separate "Practitioner" section in this next edition because we get so many

calls so if you want to be listed please send your postal address to

HERBWORLD@aol.com and we'll get the form out to you.



Maureen Rogers

HerbNET

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rasberry Leaf for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 07:17:27 EST

--------

I've heard anecdotal information from a number of midwives about spotting

in the first trimester for women taking rasberry leaf tea, which ceased

after stopping.  While it is generally recognized as safe, there are

probably women for whom it is not indicated.  After the first trimester I

have hearn nothing but positive information.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Mon, 3 Mar 1997 20:07:04 -0500 Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

writes:

>There is nothing wrong with a nice cup of red raspberry leaf tea while

>pregnant.  It balances the system and helps with the nausea.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rasberry Leaf for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 11:16:52 -0900

--------

At 07:17 AM 3/4/97 EST, Karen Vaughan wrote:

>I've heard anecdotal information from a number of midwives about spotting

>in the first trimester for women taking rasberry leaf tea, which ceased

>after stopping.  While it is generally recognized as safe, there are

>probably women for whom it is not indicated.  After the first trimester I

>have hearn nothing but positive information.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>

>

>

Raspberry leaf in stronger doses can have a stimulating effect on the

uterus. It is generally safe to use during pregnancy but try to limit usage

to a moderate amount.  It does tone the uterus and help prevent hemorrhage.

 It should be used by women anticipating pregnancy.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rasberry Leaf for nausea without vomiting in pregnancy

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:02:02 -0500

--------

limiting usage means 3 rounded tsp's of leaves to 1 quart of water:

2-3 cups a day 2-3 times a week.



                                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Green oat tincture

From: gmalm <gmalm@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 4 Mar 1997 17:00:43 -0800

--------

Listers,



     The Chinese healer I am going to for a troublesome neuralgia problem

has pushed for me to eat plenty of well-cooked, organic oats. I'd like to

make some tincture with some of the "green" oats I've heard a bit about,

which are starting to pop-up around where I live. My question is threefold.

What part of the plant do I harvest (seeds heads only?) , percentages and

kinds of tincture material, and lastly how long do I let it "cook" ( and

any other helpful hints).



Thanks,

Gary



gmalm@ix.netcom.com



************************************************************************

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of

in your philosophy." Shakespeare, "Hamlet"

************************************************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Green oat tincture

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:54:36 EST

--------

Avena sativa is the common oat.  You harvest the seed heads with the top

of the stem just before they turn ripe.  They are called at the "milky"

stage.  I find that a strong infusion, steeped overnight, works better

than the tincture.  Probably because you get more oat. (Tastes good too.)

If you make tincutes, the seed heads tend to float.  Whirl them in a

Vitamix or blender before adding the alcohol.  Use an equal volume of

whirled oats and 100 proof (50%) voldka.  Leave 6 weeks, agitating daily

before decanting..



I have a long post on wild oats on Henriette's web page under "neat

stuff".

 http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com







>What part of the plant do I harvest (seeds heads only?) , percentages

and

>kinds of tincture material, and lastly how long do I let it "cook" ( and

>any other helpful hints).

>

>Thanks,

>Gary

>

>gmalm@ix.netcom.com

>

>************************************************************************

>"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt

>of

>in your philosophy." Shakespeare, "Hamlet"

>************************************************************************

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Green oat tincture

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:34:30 -0500

--------

hi gary,



1) you use the "airial" (s'cuse the spelling!) parts of the green -

unripe - oats, harvest when the grain is milky.

2) the usual time to macerate a tincture is three weeks



however i'm not sure that the medicinal properties  of avena are soluble

in alcohol. check tinctures at micheal moore's homepage.



                                lee





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: : Re: allergies

From: C C <chessiecat@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 00:13:59 EST

--------

Lee, why did you say to never mix slippery elm bark with psyllium? I mix

the two for my cats when they get upset stomachs with

constipation.--Alice





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: : Re: allergies

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:33:48 -0500

--------

hi alice,



because the two used concurrently cause severe cramping in humans :>} ,

maybe your cat's are exempt to this, seeing as they don't have the same

type of digestive tract that we do



by the way how *do* you administer herbs to a cat?



response private e-mail please (i don't want to be unsubbed!!!) 



                                                Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: New/Liliacs/Menstruation

From: Pat Cassady <AngelicMom@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 02:24:20 -0500

--------

To Paul,

Guess you wouldn't know what it's like to be a woman and EXTRA Horny during

and prior to menstruation... It does relieve cramps to have orgasms.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: New/Liliacs/Menstruation

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 07:48:11 GMT

--------

> To Paul,

> Guess you wouldn't know what it's like to be a woman and EXTRA Horny during

> and prior to menstruation... It does relieve cramps to have orgasms.



I guess not, but 'horniness' is a sign of Heat, and in the context of these

discussions at least, could certainly be considered a result of Pathogen, not

affection or desire. The Hotter you get, the more sex you crave...the more

sex you have, the Hotter you get.  And on and on downward.



As always, illness is a positive feedback loop.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aching Feet

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:17:03 GMT

--------

> My co-worker and I have noticed that we are both having problems with

> aching feet lately, actually the balls of our feet. When I am home for a

> few days that thing goes away.  We are both Flight Attendants and

> often we are on and off our feet for up to 14 hours a day. We have never

> had this problem before. I am almost 50 and she is 55. Could this be

> arthritis, and is there anything we can do to help this condition? She

> cannot take tinctures due to sensitivity to alcohol.



All signs of accumulated Kidney Heat due to Depleted Kidney Yin, a common

syndrome among FA's with their weird schedules and upset sleep cycles (the

Kidney and Bladder Channels start in the feet near the ball). See an

acupuncturist, and drink peppermint tea, not coffee.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Aching Feet

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 09:59:35 -0500

--------

My co-worker and I have noticed that we are both having problems with

aching feet lately, actually the balls of our feet. When I am home for a

few days that the aching goes away.  We are both Flight Attendants and

often we are on and off our feet for up to 14 hours a day. We have never

had this problem before. I am almost 50 and she is 55. Could this be

arthritis, and is there anything we can do to help this condition? She

cannot take tinctures due to sensitivity to alcohol.



TIA Susien





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aching Feet

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:52:32 -0500

--------

Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> > My co-worker and I have noticed that we are both having problems with

> > aching feet lately, actually the balls of our feet. When I am home for a

> > few days it goes away.  We are both Flight Attendants and

> > often we are on and off our feet for up to 14 hours a day.

Susien



> All signs of accumulated Kidney Heat due to Depleted Kidney Yin, a common

> syndrome among FA's with their weird schedules and upset sleep cycles (the

> Kidney and Bladder Channels start in the feet near the ball). See an

> acupuncturist,



> Paul



I thinking of studying Jin Shin Jytsu. Would this practice truly be

beneficial? I would also like to find something that I could use on

myself. I am sometimes away from home for 8 days at a time.



and drink peppermint tea, not coffee.



There are two different security machines that are used at the airport.

I have been told the one that we walk through is safer. I was told to

wear any herbs as I walk through. I am not sure anymore about the ones

that scan our bags, they have been changed so much lately. Should I also

be doing something to balance these energies?



I have also noticed I am starting to get a some circles under my eyes.



Thanks for your answers, I was seeing an acupuncturist regularly and did

not have these problems. I will make the time.



Susien





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aching Feet

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:06:39 EST

--------

I also suffer from this condition.  I have found that Maseur brand

shiatsu insoles, which fit dress shoes, and are 3/4 length, vented

rubber, with accupressure knobs throughout, to be the only thing that

helps.  And well-designed shoes with proper padding technology.  Not a

cure, but it helps get through the day.



(no interest- Kiwi Brands makes them.  Australia Unlimited in Seattle

distributes them and health food stores sell them.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Wed, 5 Mar 1997 08:17:03 GMT Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM> writes:

>> My co-worker and I have noticed that we are both having problems

>with

>> aching feet lately, actually the balls of our feet. When I am home

>for a

>> few days that thing goes away.  We are both Flight Attendants and

>> often we are on and off our feet for up to 14 hours a day. We have

>never

>> had this problem before. I am almost 50 and she is 55. Could this be

>> arthritis, and is there anything we can do to help this condition?





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aching Feet

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:15:37 -0900

--------

At 09:59 AM 3/5/97 -0500, Susan Custer wrote:

>My co-worker and I have noticed that we are both having problems with

>aching feet lately, actually the balls of our feet. When I am home for a

>few days that the aching goes away.  We are both Flight Attendants and

>often we are on and off our feet for up to 14 hours a day. We have never

>had this problem before. I am almost 50 and she is 55. Could this be

>arthritis, and is there anything we can do to help this condition? She

>cannot take tinctures due to sensitivity to alcohol.

>

>TIA Susien

>

>

The first thing to do is to look at your shoes.  Do they supply adequate

support?  Does the arch area bend? (It should not) Do they have adequate

lateral support?

Most women's pumps fail on all these accounts and after a while, a woman

who is on her feet alot will develop problems sooner or later.  Shoes that

lace up are preferred and make sure they have a stiff sole with no bending

until the ball of the foot.  Twist them from side to side.  If it is easily

twisted, it is not acceptable.  Wearing arch supports helps more than

cushioning.  I realize that uniform restrictions can limit your choices of

shoes.  but do your best.

Making an infusion of Alder (Alnus spp.) inner bark is helpful in relieving

hot, tired and sore feet.  I've put Alder leaves in my socks when hiking to

relieve tenderness and heat.

Soaking with Epsom salts can be helpful as well.  Make sure you are getting

adequate calcium and magnesium and change shoes often.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aching Feet

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:52:35 -0500

--------

As women approach menopausal age, there is can be a loss of supportive tissue

between joints, among other changes.  Probably why you see so many older

women in good supportive shoes that are among the more expensive brands.

 This problem becomes more severe among women who must be on their feet all

day.  Treatment should involve careful nutrition and remedies that support

replacement of tissue and hormones to prevent further loss.

T.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aching Feet

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:37:15 GMT

--------

> There are two different security machines that are used at the airport.

> I have been told the one that we walk through is safer. I was told to

> wear any herbs as I walk through. I am not sure anymore about the ones

> that scan our bags, they have been changed so much lately. Should I also

> be doing something to balance these energies?



Your herbs don't care about being scanned. It isn't a big deal.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Autoimmune diseases

From: Victor <victorl@ACTCOM.CO.IL>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 11:22:56 +0200

--------

I'm looking for personal experiences of using herbs for treatment

of autoimmune diseases (Lupus, RA, etc.).



Victor

--

  Due to circumstances beyond my control,

  I am master of my fate and captain of my soul.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Autoimmune diseases

From: Dawna Hill <HapyHarper@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:00:11 -0500

--------

I used echinacia (for colds) and melatonin (for sleeping)  and my Nephritis

(autoimmune) flared up in a bad way.  If you can find some herbs that depress

the immune system (and I believe there are some), that would be the way to

go.  Don't take anything like echinacia which stimulates the immune system.



Dawna





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Autoimmune diseases

From: "Brente A. Miller" <BBevitori@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:29:17 -0500

--------

I found some very interesting information on Essiac in the treatment of

autoimmune

diseases .I was able to get a free book on Essiac, I have found it to be very

informitive.The book was at WWW.Ravelco-inc.com .



Love and Light



Brente





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Autoimmune diseases

From: Rick Simon <MEDIINFO@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:14:19 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-06 10:35:41 EST, BBevitori@AOL.COM (Brente A.

Miller) writes:



<< I found some very interesting information on Essiac in the treatment of

 autoimmune

 diseases .I was able to get a free book on Essiac, I have found it to be

very

 informitive.The book was at WWW.Ravelco-inc.com .



 Love and Light



 Brente



  >>

Hi..



That is true but people with with autoimmune diseases like lupus and sjogrens

shouldnt take essiac as it will cause them problems.



Regards,



Rick





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Autoimmune diseases

From: "Brente A. Miller" <BBevitori@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:45:00 -0500

--------

Rik

Do you have any information about Essiac and  the adverse effects

it has on the treatment of lupus.

Any information would be a great help



Thank You ,



Love and Light



Brente





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Autoimmune diseases

From: Rick Simon <MEDIINFO@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:40:56 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-06 15:11:00 EST, BBevitori@AOL.COM (Brente A.

Miller) writes:



<< Do you have any information about Essiac and  the adverse effects

 it has on the treatment of lupus.

 Any information would be a great help



 Thank You ,



 Love and Light



 Brente

  >>



Dear Brente:



Other than having recalled some medical information resource I had read, no.



But I would suggest that autoimmune diseases such as lupus/sjogrens which are

due at least partly to a hyperimmune system would not be benefited in such

cases and would most likely cause acute episodes.



Regards,



Rick





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Autoimmune diseases

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:24:29 UT

--------

I do not have any experience with these herbs treating this,but someone told

me a mixture of  about 60 or 70% marshmallow and 30 or 40% astralagus and a

good bit every day made into a tea was very beneficial. You might want to kick

it around in your head.



----------

From:   Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list on behalf of Rick Simon

Sent:   Thursday, March 06, 1997 4:40 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: Autoimmune diseases



In a message dated 97-03-06 15:11:00 EST, BBevitori@AOL.COM (Brente A.

Miller) writes:



<< Do you have any information about Essiac and  the adverse effects

 it has on the treatment of lupus.

 Any information would be a great help



 Thank You ,



 Love and Light



 Brente

  >>



Dear Brente:



Other than having recalled some medical information resource I had read, no.



But I would suggest that autoimmune diseases such as lupus/sjogrens which are

due at least partly to a hyperimmune system would not be benefited in such

cases and would most likely cause acute episodes.



Regards,



Rick





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Autoimmune diseases

From: Barbara Bettencourt <Bjbetten@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 00:08:26 -0500

--------

What about lymphoma?  ...since it is also immune system related.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Re. Paul-less herb list

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 10:12:07 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-05 09:54:49 EST, you write:



Midge Jolly posted this quote:

<< > It seems that many newbies who post remedies get flamed by Paul. >>



Surely every list should have a "devil's advocate", :-), to keep us humble.

Some might not like his style or attitude (not everyone is trained in medical

bedside manners or chooses to make nice), but the bottom line is, does he

know his beans?  Can you find fault with his recommendations?  That's all I

care about.

T.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Re. Paul-less herb list

From: Helly Simons <gx50@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 15:34:23 -0000

--------

Amazing! I may not agree with everthing the gentleman in question posts but

he does Know his Onions from his Garlic.Whatever way it is put info is info

and people communicate in different ways ,some more tolerant than others

some not tolerant at all, such is life.Too short to worry about insults if

you believe in yourself then they bounce off.So I communicate my

way,hopefully always with respect and kindness, and  he in his unique

fashoin, both as passionate in our beliefs 2 sides to any coin.After all we

all have a delete button.Why leave if you feel insulted?State your case and

if you truely believe what you have written then thats just as valid and

whatever the rest of the world say it should not matter one bit.

Flameproof clothes in place over an honest heart, thank you for listening

Kindest Regards Helly Simons(Knowledge Practitioner)

Web Site and useful information etc

on                http://www.globalnet.co.uk/~helly

or                 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/gx50

Personal Email Advice     helly@globalnet.co.uk

or                                     helly@dial.pipex.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Re. Paul-less herb list

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:15:38 -0900

--------

At 10:12 AM 3/5/97 -0500, Henrietta Lala wrote:

>In a message dated 97-03-05 09:54:49 EST, you write:

>

>Midge Jolly posted this quote:

><< > It seems that many newbies who post remedies get flamed by Paul. >>

>

>Surely every list should have a "devil's advocate", :-), to keep us humble.

>Some might not like his style or attitude (not everyone is trained in medical

>bedside manners or chooses to make nice), but the bottom line is, does he

>know his beans?  Can you find fault with his recommendations?  That's all I

>care about.

>T.

>

>

Having been on this list for a long time, I can say that Paul is very

knowledgeable and reliable.  I don't always agree with him and find him a

little short with other approaches.  I know of no better diagnostician than

Paul.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Acupuncturist and herbs

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 14:32:10 -0500

--------

When looking for an acupuncturist I assume that one who has knowledge of

herbs would be beneficial. So would the  ideal be to find someone who

has knowledge of both eastern and western herbs? I live in the Boston

area and we have many pratcioners here and also a school, so I have many

choices. There is a chinese herbal clinic in Brookline that I have heard

many positive comments about it. There are also many chinese who have

been trained in the Orient and are successful here even though they

speak little or no English. I had a good experience with one trained in

the Orient who only left the needles in for a couple of minutes at a

time which I thought was not going to work but did. I have had some not

so great experiences with one who recommend expensive vitamins and no

herbs.



Susien





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Prehistoric Diet Course WWW Site

From: rob <rys@UCLA.EDU>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 12:41:42 -0800

--------

Dear All:

        I know there's been alot of back-and-forth about what the "proper"

diet for humans is...NO, this is not to add more fuel to the fire <g>, but

rather to point you all to a WWW site that was used in a course at the

University of Indiana to teach a course on the subject. IMO, it has a nice

bibliography for furthering one's education about the subject...the

conclusions you draw, must, as always, be your own...nuff said. Point your

browser to:



                http://www.indiana.edu/~origins/teach/P380.html



take care!



rob





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Prehistoric Diet Course WWW Site

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:37:07 GMT

--------

> Dear All:

>         I know there's been alot of back-and-forth about what the "proper"

> diet for humans is...NO, this is not to add more fuel to the fire <g>, but

> rather to point you all to a WWW site that was used in a course at the

> University of Indiana to teach a course on the subject.



Don't forget to factor in that this diet referred to hunter gatherers with

totally different lifestyles than we.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA - rules of the game and helpful hints

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 21:00:50 GMT

--------

Periodical posting.



I am the inofficial listmom for this list, with rights to unsub. You may refer

to me as 008   ;)



Here are the rules to make our stay on the list enjoyable:



-- Do not post ads. If you do post something endorsing a product the simple

   words 'no commercial interest' will save you (and me) lots of trouble. 

   Anyone not adding those words will be asked to produce them; if that doesn't

   happen he/she will be unsub'd.

   There's no need to flame an ad; the poster most probably isn't on the list

   anymore. If he/she was blatant enough he might not even have an account

   anymore - postmasters react fast these days.

   You might wish to debunk the 'information' found in an ad.

-- Do not post flames. If you do you'll be unsub'd. I'm the sole judge of what

   is a flame, and some do get more leeway than others - this depends largely on

   the quality of postings to date.

-  As a tangent:

   We have had enough of flamewars on this list to last us well into the 

   year 2070, so flamewars will not be tolerated until that date, at the very

   earliest.

-- Do keep to the subject of the list - we're here to discuss herbs and herbal

   healing. Vitamins, minerals et al as bought in your health food store is

   considered off-topic (these are not herbs).

   If you continuously post off-topic you'll get a warning; if you do not heed

   this warning you will be unsub'd. 

   Follow-ups of off-topic posts is also off-topic, unless you just debunk a

   chainletter (a la good times virus) (usually posted by a newbie with no clue

   about urban legends on the internet).

-- If you offer something to people on the list (free of charge naturally)

   please stress that replies should go to your private email address, -not-

   to the list.

-  As a tangent, if you want something that's been offered by somebody on the

   list remember to send your request to the private email address of the person

   offering this 'something'.

-- Attachments are something that some email programs have problems with.

   If you want to know more about it ask the sender by private email what to do

   with it. It's his/her problem to figure out how not to attach garbage to

   their messages - a message saying 'can't read the attachment' is considered

   off-topic.

-- Here's some more topics to avoid:

   - kombucha: The noise level was extremely high due to kombucha way 

       back in November/December 1994, until the kombucha folks made 

       their own mailing list (which should give you a clue about the 

       traffic on kombucha way back then; I'm still allergic to the word.).

   - SBGA (aka spirulina aka super blue green algae): The noise level 

       again went thru the roof, due to SBGA, in November/December 1995, 

       so we banned the topic altogether.

   - MLM:s (multi-level marketing scheme, like herbalife, or Noni), to prevent

       flareups like the one we had on SBGA.

-- The list is down now and then, usually over a weekend. It's nothing 

   to fret about, it'll be up again sooner or later. The latest news from

   Suleyman: shouldn't be long now until the list is fully OK again.



If you're completely new to the net go read the newsgroup

   news.announce.newusers to get a feel for how things are done.

If you don't get newsgroups ask your ISP (internet service provider) about that.



Here's some helpful hints:



-- If you wish to unsubscribe send this

     To:      LISTSERV@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr or LISTSERV@vm.ege.edu.tr:

     Subject: anything-you-like-but-better-leave-it-blank (goes for all

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     Text:    UNSUBSCRIBE HERB

-  if that doesn't work ask me (hek@hetta.pp.fi) to unsub you

-  if I'm not in ask the folks at HERB-REQUEST@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

   (that's the listowners, in Turkey) politely for help

-- If you wonder where your posts went because you don't receive them back

   from the list, try this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB REPRO

   or try

     Text:    SET HERB ACK

-- If you wish the digest form of the herblist send this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB DIGEST

-- If you're going for a holiday and don't want to receive any mail for some 

   time send this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB NOMAIL

 - once you're back send this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB MAIL

-- You can get all the commands by sending this to the listserver:

     Text:    INFO REFCARD

-- If you want to check if the list is still alive send this to the listserver:

     Text:    QUERY HERB

-- The archives of the herblist are available in my WWW or FTP space; I edit

   these for duplicates, off-topics and others. You can get the unedited

   versions (for the last 8 or so months) by sending this to the listserv:

     Text:    GET HERB LOG9702 (where 97 is the year and 02 is the month)



-- If you wish to discuss culinary herbs or herb gardening here's the

   list for that (a nice one, too):

     To subscribe, write

       To:      <herbs-l-request@q7.com>

       Subject: <none>

       Text:    subscribe



-- Some folks take offense with Paul's style. He gets more leeway than others,

   because he's helped a great many people on the list (no, not me), he debunks

   all scams immediately, and he knows his herbs. Instead of posting off-topic

   about Paul on this list (which might lead to your being unsub'd) you might

   wish to subscribe to the HerbMed list, created as a Paul-free herblist,

   moderated by Carey Frazier. To subscribe send email

     To:      HerbMed-request@zz.com

     Subject:                  (<- that's blank, but you knew that)

     Text:                     (<- that's blank too, but you knew that too)



-- The Medicinal HerbFAQ lists further lists you might wish to subscribe to,

   like Kombucha, Holistic, Paracelsus, Phytopharmacognosy...



Comments? Please send them to me.



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==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA - rules of the game and helpful hints

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 19:46:44 GMT

--------

Periodical posting.



I am the inofficial listmom for this list, with rights to unsub. You may refer

to me as 008   ;)



Here are the rules to make our stay on the list enjoyable:



-- Do not post ads. If you do post something endorsing a product the simple

   words 'no commercial interest' will save you (and me) lots of trouble. 

   Anyone not adding those words will be asked to produce them; if that doesn't

   happen he/she will be unsub'd.

   There's no need to flame an ad; the poster most probably isn't on the list

   anymore. If he/she was blatant enough he might not even have an account

   anymore - postmasters react fast these days.

   You might wish to debunk the 'information' found in an ad.

-- Do not post flames. If you do you'll be unsub'd. I'm the sole judge of what

   is a flame, and some do get more leeway than others - this depends largely on

   the quality of postings to date.

-  As a tangent:

   We have had enough of flamewars on this list to last us well into the 

   year 2070, so flamewars will not be tolerated until that date, at the very

   earliest.

-- Do keep to the subject of the list - we're here to discuss herbs and herbal

   healing. Vitamins, minerals et al as bought in your health food store is

   considered off-topic (these are not herbs).

   If you continuously post off-topic you'll get a warning; if you do not heed

   this warning you will be unsub'd. 

   Follow-ups of off-topic posts is also off-topic, unless you just debunk a

   chainletter (a la good times virus) (usually posted by a newbie with no clue

   about urban legends on the internet).

-- If you offer something to people on the list (free of charge naturally)

   please stress that replies should go to your private email address, -not-

   to the list. !! Remember to add your email address at the bottom of your post

    - not all people can see the headers. !!

-  As a tangent, if you want something that's been offered by somebody on the

   list remember to send your request to the private email address of the person

   offering this 'something'.

-- Attachments are something that some email programs have problems with.

   If you want to know more about it ask the sender by private email what to do

   with it. It's his/her problem to figure out how not to attach garbage to

   their messages - a message saying 'can't read the attachment' is considered

   off-topic.

-- Here's some more topics to avoid:

   - kombucha: The noise level was extremely high due to kombucha way 

       back in November/December 1994, until the kombucha folks made 

       their own mailing list (which should give you a clue about the 

       traffic on kombucha way back then; I'm still allergic to the word.).

   - SBGA (aka spirulina aka super blue green algae): The noise level 

       again went thru the roof, due to SBGA, in November/December 1995, 

       so we banned the topic altogether.

   - MLM:s (multi-level marketing scheme, like herbalife, or Noni), to prevent

       flareups like the one we had on SBGA.

-- The list is down now and then, usually over a weekend. It's nothing 

   to fret about, it'll be up again sooner or later.



If you're completely new to the net go read the newsgroup

   news.announce.newusers to get a feel for how things are done.

If you don't get newsgroups ask your ISP (internet service provider) about that.



Here's some helpful hints:



-- If you wish to unsubscribe send this

     To:      LISTSERV@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr or LISTSERV@vm.ege.edu.tr:

     Subject: anything-you-like-but-better-leave-it-blank (goes for all

              commands to the listserv)

     Text:    UNSUBSCRIBE HERB

-  if that doesn't work ask me (hek@hetta.pp.fi) to unsub you

-  if I'm not in ask the folks at HERB-REQUEST@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

   (that's the listowners, in Turkey) politely for help

-- If you wonder where your posts went because you don't receive them back

   from the list, try this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB REPRO

   or try

     Text:    SET HERB ACK

-- If you wish the digest form of the herblist send this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB DIGEST

-- If you're going for a holiday and don't want to receive any mail for some 

   time send this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB NOMAIL

 - once you're back send this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB MAIL

-- You can get all the commands by sending this to the listserver:

     Text:    INFO REFCARD

-- If you want to check if the list is still alive send this to the listserver:

     Text:    QUERY HERB

-- The archives of the herblist are available in my WWW or FTP space; I edit

   these for duplicates, off-topics and others. You can get the unedited

   versions (for the last 8 or so months) by sending this to the listserv:

     Text:    GET HERB LOG9703 (where 97 is the year and 02 is the month)



-- If you wish to discuss culinary herbs or herb gardening here's the

   list for that (a nice one, too):

     To subscribe, write

       To:      <herbs-l-request@q7.com>

       Subject: <none>

       Text:    subscribe



-- Some folks take offense with Paul's style. He gets more leeway than others,

   because he's helped a great many people on the list (no, not me), he debunks

   all scams immediately, and he knows his herbs. Instead of posting off-topic

   about Paul on this list (which might lead to your being unsub'd) you might

   wish to subscribe to the HerbMed list, created as a Paul-free herblist,

   moderated by Carey Frazier. To subscribe send email

     To:      HerbMed-request@zz.com

     Subject:                  (<- that's blank, but you knew that)

     Text:                     (<- that's blank too, but you knew that too)



-- The Medicinal HerbFAQ lists further lists you might wish to subscribe to,

   like Kombucha, Holistic, Paracelsus, Phytopharmacognosy...



Comments? Please send them to me.



Have fun, and enjoy the list,

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Nausea

From: Karyn Farrell <Syber12@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 5 Mar 1997 16:38:22 -0500

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For Nausea, I generally brush my teeth.  The peppermint nearly always settles

my stomach.



Karyn





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: homeopathy ? for Paul

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 01:22:30 -0500

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Paul,



If you could please scan the files of your mind to see if you remember

mentioning something about a study that showed diminished IQ in children who

had moles removed, I would greatly appreciate it. We were having a discussion

on removal of warts, moles, cysts & tumors and the possibility of repression

in a homeopathy group and I thought this might be relevant.



Do you remember this from some months ago--or was I dreaming? If you have

some recall in this regard, I would really appreciate the results of the

study and the source of the information.



Thanks much!



Kathy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: homeopathy ? for Paul

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:36:19 GMT

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> Paul,

>

> If you could please scan the files of your mind to see if you remember

> mentioning something about a study that showed diminished IQ in children

who

> had moles removed, I would greatly appreciate it. We were having a

discussion

> on removal of warts, moles, cysts & tumors and the possibility of

repression

> in a homeopathy group and I thought this might be relevant.

>

> Do you remember this from some months ago--or was I dreaming? If you have

> some recall in this regard, I would really appreciate the results of the

> study and the source of the information.

>

> Thanks much!

>

> Kathy



Samuel Hahnemann discovered this. I would presume a homeopathy group would

know that. As for double-blind rattatattat...hey, I really don't care, sorry.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: homeopathy ? for Paul

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:46:53 GMT

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> I really wasn't looking for "proof". I just wanted to know if my recall was

> correct in the correlation of the moles with intellect (results of the

study)

> and to know where I might find the information (Organon?).

>

> This group has some pretty knowledgeable homeopathic docs, and to date, I

am

> unable to find anyone who knows of this.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Kathy



Chronic Illnesses, not the Organon.



Followups to private email.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: homeopathy ? for Paul

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 00:14:51 -0500

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In a message dated 97-03-06 12:15:01 EST, you write:



<<

 > Do you remember this from some months ago--or was I dreaming? If you have

 > some recall in this regard, I would really appreciate the results of the

 > study and the source of the information.

 >

 > Thanks much!

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> Samuel Hahnemann discovered this. I would presume a homeopathy group would

>know that. As for double-blind rattatattat...hey, I really don't care,

sorry.



> Paul



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Sorry to bother you.



I really wasn't looking for "proof". I just wanted to know if my recall was

correct in the correlation of the moles with intellect (results of the study)

and to know where I might find the information (Organon?).



This group has some pretty knowledgeable homeopathic docs, and to date, I am

unable to find anyone who knows of this.



Thanks,



Kathy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: homeopathy ? for Paul

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:12:06 GMT

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> Is this due to the removal of the moles or are the moles a flag

> signaling a condition which causes the diminished IQ ?



It is neither, really. There is an underlying weakness of the constitution

which the mole is helping to stabilize. Remove that effort by the body to

stabilize its health, and the health declines while the weakness grows.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: homeopathy ? for Paul

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:00:11 PST

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Is this due to the removal of the moles or are the moles a flag

signaling a condition which causes the diminished IQ ?

                                                KB

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E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 3/7/97                 Time: 10:15:43 AM

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: homeopathy ? for Paul

From: Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:19:46 -0500

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I'm interested in the mole issue. What if you have moles all over your

body? Does that mean that your constitution has a hard time stabilizing

itself all the time? If you change your constitution, can you make moles go

away?

        Also: my husband died from melanoma three years ago. He had one

mole in the center of his back. His mother, who knows a bit of folk

medicine, was adamant that it should not be removed when it first became

cancerous. But by that time that doctor had already done his intimidation

thing and had it off.

Should the mole have been left? How would the cancer have been treated then?



Thanks for your time

Rondi Lightmark





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herbs for endocrine glands

From: Crystal O <Crystal585@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 02:55:29 -0500

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hi,

 im new to this list as was wondering if anyone knew of any herbs that help

promote female hormones. i have polycystic ovaries and produce too much

testosterone and not enough estrogen.

 also, does anyone know of any herbs to help curb appetite and stimulate a

slow metabolism.

thank you for your help,

Crystal  :)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for endocrine glands

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:36:14 GMT

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> hi,

>  im new to this list as was wondering if anyone knew of any herbs that help

> promote female hormones. i have polycystic ovaries and produce too much

> testosterone and not enough estrogen.



Heat, by any other name.



>  also, does anyone know of any herbs to help curb appetite and stimulate a

> slow metabolism.



Appetite needing curbing and a slow metabolism are opposites. Stop eating

fruit or fruit juice.



> thank you for your help,

> Crystal  :)



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for endocrine glands

From: Connie Kehler <g.musings@DLCWEST.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:45:21 -0600

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I would like some help here too.  I have low thyrioid and am thyropin from a

naturalapth.  I would also like some infor relating to this and the below.

Anyone?







> also, does anyone know of any herbs to help curb appetite and stimulate a

>slow metabolism.

>thank you for your help,

>Crystal  :)

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for endocrine glands

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 16:25:47 -0500

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TRY WILD YAM CREME, A NATURAL PROGESTRONE





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for endocrine glands

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:24:35 -0900

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At 02:55 AM 3/6/97 -0500, Crystal O wrote:

>hi,

> im new to this list as was wondering if anyone knew of any herbs that help

>promote female hormones. i have polycystic ovaries and produce too much

>testosterone and not enough estrogen.

> also, does anyone know of any herbs to help curb appetite and stimulate a

>slow metabolism.

>thank you for your help,

>Crystal  :)

>

>

There are several herbs used for female problems and some have estrogenic

action.  It would be helpful to know more about your problem before making

suggestions. The fact that you are also asking about metabolic herbs would

indicate your problem is wider than just estrogen deficiency.

Be very careful when asking about "stimulating" metabolism.  If your body

is impaired, driving it with stimulants could be even more damaging.  Stay

away from those so called "thermogenic" herbs, typically MaHuang and

Guarana sometimes laced with caffeine.  These are terribly disrupting to a

system already depleted and tired.  Driving the body is counterproductive.

  Instead, look for herbs to BALANCE metabolism and hormones.  Your request

does not have enough info for a good diagnosis which is what you really need.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for endocrine glands

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:30:34 -0500

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Vitex (vitex agnus-castus) in tincture, with flowering oats (avena

sativa) as herbal tea, daily. if you want dosages i need more details,

please. let me know if this interests you i could post the equivalent of

a book, otherwise!



                                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Yinyang, Hot/Cold, Afrin, was Re(2): HERB Digest -

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:37:01 GMT

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> The energetics of herbs is often

> overlooked by Western "herbalists". I'm not sure where it got lost.

> Certainly Gerard and others were familiar with their application.  It is a

> topic that should be addressed.  As I become more comfortable with the

> concept, it has made my own diagnosis and treatments more effective.



Of course that is true. Yinyang isn't really in doubt, is it???



The collapse of such thinking is one of the singular errors of modern man.

And it WILL be revisited, any day now, when people suddenly realize their

technological medicine is a SHAM.



Paul



Btw, I want to send a STRONG warning to the list about Afrin. This

antihistamine is EXTREMELY dangerous to your health. It has an 'energetic'

quality that causes it to lodge in the Lungs, perhaps for decades.



People should NOT take antihistamines on a regular basis anyhow...but some

drugs are especially damaging...this is one of them.



P.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Yinyang, Hot/Cold, Afrin, was Re(2): HERB Digest -

From: Bruce Mencer <BAMencer@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:22:53 -0500

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In a message dated 97-03-06 12:20:20 EST, you write:



<< Btw, I want to send a STRONG warning to the list about Afrin. This

 antihistamine is EXTREMELY dangerous to your health. It has an 'energetic'

 quality that causes it to lodge in the Lungs, perhaps for decades.



 People should NOT take antihistamines on a regular basis anyhow...but some

 drugs are especially damaging...this is one of them. >>



Paul,

  Thanks so much for the warning. BTW, Your advice to me so far has been

good.  I have been off all forms of caffeine for nearly a month now and don't

miss the mood swings.



Bruce





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Basal Rosettes

From: Charlene Pagac <PAGE303@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:08:29 -0500

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Does anyone know where I can find Basal Rosette?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Basal Rosettes

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 19:52:35 GMT

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On Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:08:29 -0500, Charlene Pagac <PAGE303@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Does anyone know where I can find Basal Rosette?



(grin) 

You'll find them on plants.



Like, dandelions have basal rosettes of leaves. Angelicas have them. Arctiums

(burdock) have them. Most any of the Compositae have them.



Happy to help.

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Basal Rosettes

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:34:29 -0900

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At 08:08 AM 3/6/97 -0500, Charlene Pagac wrote:

>Does anyone know where I can find Basal Rosette?

>

>

A basal rosette is a wheel shaped arrangement of overlapping leaves that

radiate outward from the plants base perhaps funneling water to the plant.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Basal Rosettes

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:49:45 -0500

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try second year mullien (verbascum thapsus).





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Question about Fo-Ti

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 08:08:45 -0500

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I planted a Fo-Ti (polygonum multiflorum) aka He-shou-wu, last summer and

would like to prepare the root concoction but have no idea how to properly

harvest it. Don't want to damage the plant , either. Also need to know how do

best obtain and preserve these phytochemicals at their peak. Have searched

many, many sources for months but to no avail. Can anyone here PLEASE help me

. TIA , luvlylin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Question about Fo-Ti

From: Tom Stewart <Taraxatom@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:38:18 -0500

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I know Steven Foster wrote a book about growing Chinese herbs, I think it was

called "Herbal Renaissance"

  Tom





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Born Blind/Qi stagnation

From: Risa Mornis <risa@SOVER.NET>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:23:03 -0500

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>> >>I have a

>> >> tendency towards silent urinary infections,

>> >

>> >Heat in your Kidneys I'll bet.

>

>>Have

>> been using western herbal medicine on myself since the infection- yarrow

>and

>> dandelion sometimes, cleavers and uva ursi sometimes,

>

>I wouldn't use uva ursi if I were you.



Why not uva ursi for me?



>> in '93. Other problems have gotten more attention: long menstrual cycle

>> (Comes every 35-40 days- 10-14 day periods, slow to arrive, slow to leave,

>> brown blood, 2-4 days heavy red blood in middle of the period. usually no

>> pain, but if so it occurs on the 'heavy' days) Have Had periods like this

>> for 6-8 years.

>

>That is Blood Stagnation. What is your weight like?



I'm 5'6", 155 lbs, and consider myself 20-25 pounds overweight-mostly in

hips and waist.



>>They seemed alittle better for awhile between children but

>> back to 'normal' now. Had three early months miscarriages before my son was

>> born but none before my daughter. Had allergies right after she was born.

>> Diet is basically vegetarian, meat on occasion. I do have a sweet tooth

>> though.

>

>Right. Weak Digestion, probably Liver Attacking the Stomach.





>case. But from a Chinese healing standpoint, these complaints aren't really

>in the simple Kidney Heat category. Sounds more like a Liver problem with

>Depleted Liver/Kidney Yin, and Blood and Qi stagnation. Get some good Dang

>gui (Tang Kuei) at the health food store (you can take it in tincture if you

>tolerate that ok).



Dang gui sounds right to me. Took it steadily for 3 weeks before getting

pregnant my fourth time. (The first pregnancy that stuck.) Didn't use it

before my daughter was born but maybe I should have. I have tried it a

number of times before my period and it did bring it on faster (less brown

blood) but I would stop taking it during my period and it would slow down on

its way out and I'd lose interest. I've heard -don't take dang gui during

your period because it increases amount of blood. I'll try it again-up to

and after my periods.



Risa





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Born Blind/Qi stagnation

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:15:33 GMT

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> >> >>I have a

> >> >> tendency towards silent urinary infections,

> >> >

> >> >Heat in your Kidneys I'll bet.

> >

> >>Have

> >> been using western herbal medicine on myself since the infection- yarrow

> >and

> >> dandelion sometimes, cleavers and uva ursi sometimes,

> >

> >I wouldn't use uva ursi if I were you.

>

> Why not uva ursi for me?



Uva ursi is a stimulant diuretic. Stimulants aren't appropriate in Heat

conditions. Demulcent, mild or bitter herbs are.



> >> in '93. Other problems have gotten more attention: long menstrual cycle

> >> (Comes every 35-40 days- 10-14 day periods, slow to arrive, slow to

leave,

> >> brown blood, 2-4 days heavy red blood in middle of the period. usually

no

> >> pain, but if so it occurs on the 'heavy' days) Have Had periods like

this

> >> for 6-8 years.

> >

> >That is Blood Stagnation. What is your weight like?

>

> I'm 5'6", 155 lbs, and consider myself 20-25 pounds overweight-mostly in

> hips and waist.



So some stagnation there due to that, but also there is probably Blood

stagnation. Easy bruising, blotchy skin, aches and pains usually accompany

Blood stagnation.



> >case. But from a Chinese healing standpoint, these complaints aren't

really

> >in the simple Kidney Heat category. Sounds more like a Liver problem with

> >Depleted Liver/Kidney Yin, and Blood and Qi stagnation. Get some good Dang

> >gui (Tang Kuei) at the health food store (you can take it in tincture if

you

> >tolerate that ok).

>

> Dang gui sounds right to me. Took it steadily for 3 weeks before getting

> pregnant my fourth time. (The first pregnancy that stuck.) Didn't use it

> before my daughter was born but maybe I should have.



You should probably use it on an ongoing basis.



>I have tried it a

> number of times before my period and it did bring it on faster (less brown

> blood) but I would stop taking it during my period and it would slow down

on

> its way out and I'd lose interest. I've heard -don't take dang gui during

> your period because it increases amount of blood.



In your case, I wouldn't worry about that unless it seems to do so.



>I'll try it again-up to

> and after my periods.

>

> Risa



Good. Sorry for the delayed reply.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Henriette's Herbal Homepage

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 09:54:10 -0500

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I have been unable to retrieve Henriette's homepage today at

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/

Anyone else have this problem or know what happened?

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: Dina Kerr and Dick Kerr <dikerr@MINDLINK.BC.CA>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 07:07:35 -0800

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>>>

>

>Can anyone tell me of a plant I can consume that is high in Magnesium.  It

was suggested I should take Magnesium glucohepionate pills, but before I do

this I would like to try something more natural in my diet.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 10:33:21 -0500

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By countering the stimulative effect of calcium, magnesium plays an important

role in neuromuscular contractions.  It also helps regulate the acid-alkaline

balance in the body, among many other things.

Found chiefly in fresh green vegetables, where it is an essential element of

chlorophyll.  Raw, unmilled wheat germ, soybeans, milk, whole grains,

seafoods, figs, corn, apples, and oil-rich seeds and nuts, especially

almonds.

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 12:40:51 -0500

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if you want to try chloraphyll in tea form - flowering oats.



this explains why i've had success in peolpe with "restless legs" with

this plant.



                                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: Rick Simon <MEDIINFO@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:11:33 -0500

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Sounds like you have "restless leg syndrome"



Some herbs to consider are black cohosh, valarian and passion flower.



Regards



Rick





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: Tom Stewart <Taraxatom@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:26:02 -0500

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Cramp bark tincture taken just before bed is very helpful for leg cramps.

  Tom





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:16:47 UT

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Irish moss 1960mg per 100gms,  oatstraw 1200mg per 100gms, turmeric seed

980mgs per 100grams            John       J2030@msn.com



----------

From:   Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list on behalf of Dina Kerr

and Dick Kerr

Sent:   Thursday, March 06, 1997 10:07 AM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        restless leg cramps nightly.



>>>

>

>Can anyone tell me of a plant I can consume that is high in Magnesium.  It

was suggested I should take Magnesium glucohepionate pills, but before I do

this I would like to try something more natural in my diet.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:24:41 -0900

--------

At 11:11 AM 3/6/97 -0500, Rick Simon wrote:

>Sounds like you have "restless leg syndrome"

>

>Some herbs to consider are black cohosh, valarian and passion flower.

>

>Regards

>

>Rick

>

>

Another thing to consider in this is the health of the entire circulatory

system.  Are you getting enough exercise?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 20:13:22 -0500

--------

Our family has had trouble with restless twitchy legs and cramps at night

from time to time and for us (maybe not for anyone else), 50mg. of zinc stops

it withing 1/2 hr. or less.  Obviously that is what we need, it might be

worth a try for you.  We never need more than just that one tablet.

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:00:00 PST

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        Butchers Broom (Ruscus aculeatus L.) increases tonus of veins



and is ant-inflammatory.  300 mg. dried extract daily is recommmended



for teachers, nurses, etc. who spend too many hours on their feet.



         I have used it personally off and on for the last six months



and it does seem effective.  A fight attendant friend of mine brought



some capsules back from Europe for me but I have since found it in a

couple of health food stores. Have no other personal experience with

it however it is approved for this by German Commission E.

                                                KB

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E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 3/7/97                 Time: 10:18:10 AM

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: Robyn Harris <Aria66@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:27:11 -0500

--------

I just caught the reply.  Did some one have remedy for night leg cramps?  My

husband suffers from severe leg cramps and I would welcome the same advice.

Thanks,





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: restless leg cramps nightly.

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:58:52 GMT

--------

> I just caught the reply.  Did some one have remedy for night leg cramps?  My

> husband suffers from severe leg cramps and I would welcome the same advice.

> Thanks,



Magnesium supplementation is the standard treatment. And tell your husband to

stop drinking coffee (drains magnesium from the system).



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: MIGRAINES

From: "Lee-Thomas, Stephanie" <sll2@CIDDAS1.EM.CDC.GOV>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 11:33:00 EST

--------

Greetings All;



I am a "newbie" to this list and to herbs.  I am a 35 y.o. female who has

been suffering with migraine headaches since the age of 15. I've tried just

about everything in traditional medicine.  Recently, the headaches have

become more frequent; I have been getting them once a week now and each

cycle (headache) lasts about 3 days non-stop.



Advice, suggestions, and/or comments would greatly be appreciated,

especially from Paul.  Since I am new to the terminology, please make your

suggestions elementary.

I read a little about Feverfew. Thanks.



Stephanie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: MIGRAINES

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:41:08 GMT

--------

> I am a "newbie" to this list and to herbs.  I am a 35 y.o. female who has

> been suffering with migraine headaches since the age of 15. I've tried just

> about everything in traditional medicine.  Recently, the headaches have

> become more frequent; I have been getting them once a week now and each

> cycle (headache) lasts about 3 days non-stop.



So what in your lifestyle has changed RECENTLY?



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 18:40:43 GMT

--------

> Over the years I have had customers come in my herb store looking for help

> for chronic and frequently occuring flare-ups of genital herpes. These are

> not people with a mild form such as cold sores, these people suffer

> continuous pain and sores on the genitals, and hip area. I have offered

> temporary help with Chinese herb formulas to relieve moist heat, but these

> are stubborn cases. Can anyone offer a more permanent answer?



No coffee, alcohol, or cigarettes; constitutional homeopathy.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Genital Herpes:

From: Tom Stewart <Taraxatom@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 14:18:02 -0500

--------

Over the years I have had customers come in my herb store looking for help

for chronic and frequently occuring flare-ups of genital herpes. These are

not people with a mild form such as cold sores, these people suffer

continuous pain and sores on the genitals, and hip area. I have offered

temporary help with Chinese herb formulas to relieve moist heat, but these

are stubborn cases. Can anyone offer a more permanent answer?

    Tom





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: Willie Feldman <WFELDMAN-ATE@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:17:18 -0500

--------

Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> > Over the years I have had customers come in my herb store looking for help

> > for chronic and frequently occuring flare-ups of genital herpes. These are

> > not people with a mild form such as cold sores, these people suffer

> > continuous pain and sores on the genitals, and hip area. I have offered

> > temporary help with Chinese herb formulas to relieve moist heat, but these

> > are stubborn cases. Can anyone offer a more permanent answer?

>

> No coffee, alcohol, or cigarettes; constitutional homeopathy.

>

> PaulPardon me for sounding dumb, but what is constitutional homeopathy?



Thanks,



Irene





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: Tom Stewart <Taraxatom@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 01:23:53 -0500

--------

I'll suggest constitutional homeopathy to these people, we have a homeopathic

study group in the store.

 Thanks

      Tom





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 06:23:58 GMT

--------

> I'll suggest constitutional homeopathy to these people, we have a

homeopathic

> study group in the store.

>  Thanks

>       Tom



Not good enough, I'm afraid. It takes PROFESSIONAL assistance. Constitutional

balancing is VERY difficult, and you cannot self-treat.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: Tom Stewart <Taraxatom@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:08:53 -0500

--------

I consider the lay homeopaths in our study group to be much more qualified

than any of our local so-called homeopaths. Do you suggest we find one out of

the area, do you have any suggestions as to how to find a homeopathic doctor

that uses classic homeopathy.

    Tom





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:53:24 GMT

--------

> I consider the lay homeopaths in our study group to be much more qualified

> than any of our local so-called homeopaths. Do you suggest we find one out

of

> the area, do you have any suggestions as to how to find a homeopathic

doctor

> that uses classic homeopathy.

>     Tom



That may be so, but treating herpes homeopathically is NOT a lay practice.



Followups to private email, please.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:00:21 PST

--------

        Lemon Balm Salve - commercial salve or make a strong infusion



of 1 tablespoon finely chopped fresh herb in 1/2 cup water and dab on



with cotton ball or such - applied topically two to six times a day.





        I have had experience with six pregnant ladies who

experienced an outbreak close enough to their due date that we had to



treat the herpes agressivly to prevent their having a cesarian

delivery (to prevent infecting child with life long herpes, no

vaginal births during active outbreak). All but one was clear by

delivery day and she had marked improvement.



         It shortens the time it takes the lesions to heal by about

1/2 and is supposed to decrease the frequency of the outbreaks.  I

know several other herbalists and/or midwives who use it also.



         I found the origional reference to it in Guide to Natural

Healing by Julian Whitiker, M.D. and have since seen it in Varro

Tyler's Herbs of Choice.  There have been three or four studies

involving placibo's done.

                                           KB

--------------------------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 3/7/97                 Time: 9:43:49 AM

--------------------------------------------------------







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: Margo <margo@Q-NET.NET.AU>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:34:57 +0800

--------

Presumably this salve would also be effective on Herpes simplex 1 ??

(around the mouth area)





Margo





At 03:00 PM 10/03/97 PST, you wrote:

>        Lemon Balm Salve - commercial salve or make a strong infusion

>

>of 1 tablespoon finely chopped fresh herb in 1/2 cup water and dab on

>

>with cotton ball or such - applied topically two to six times a day.

>

>

>        I have had experience with six pregnant ladies who

>experienced an outbreak close enough to their due date that we had to

>

>treat the herpes agressivly to prevent their having a cesarian

>delivery (to prevent infecting child with life long herpes, no

>vaginal births during active outbreak). All but one was clear by

>delivery day and she had marked improvement.

>

>         It shortens the time it takes the lesions to heal by about

>1/2 and is supposed to decrease the frequency of the outbreaks.  I

>know several other herbalists and/or midwives who use it also.

>

>         I found the origional reference to it in Guide to Natural

>Healing by Julian Whitiker, M.D. and have since seen it in Varro

>Tyler's Herbs of Choice.  There have been three or four studies

>involving placibo's done.

>                                           KB

>--------------------------------------------------------

>E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

>Date: 3/7/97                 Time: 9:43:49 AM

>--------------------------------------------------------

>

>

Marriage is a wonderful invention..

but then so is a bicycle repair kit.

        - Billy Connolly.



<mailto:margo@q-net.net.au>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:52:41 -0500

--------

I had a customer in my health store tell me that large doses (ie: 3 - 250mg.

caps 3X daily) of BHT (Butylated Hydroxytoluene) will stop a herpes attack in

its tracks. Have not found any other source of information on it.



If anyone knows of this treatment, its effectiveness and advisability, I

would appreciate the input before recommending it to others.



Wishing you wellness,



Kathy





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: Tom Stewart <Taraxatom@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:54:25 -0500

--------

I've read about Melissa cream for herpes, but cannot find it anywhere. Do you

have a source you can recommend?





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:31:35 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-10 21:56:33 EST, you write:



<< I've read about Melissa cream for herpes, but cannot find it anywhere. Do

you

 have a source you can recommend? >>





It is supposed to be very effective and you should be able to find the cream

in any health food store. Enzymatic Therapy puts one out called "Heriplyn".



Wishing you wellness,



Kathy





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Genital Herpes:

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:33:36 PST

--------

--- On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:34:57 +0800  Margo <margo@Q-NET.NET.AU>

wrote:

Subject:      Re: Genital Herpes:

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

In-Reply-To:

<Chameleon.970310150022.kbensin@kbensin.mail.state.tn.us>



Presumably this salve would also be effective on Herpes simplex 1 ??

(around the mouth area)



End of original message_____________________________________________



Yes, it is!

        KB





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Basic definitions, was Re(2): Genital Herpes:

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 22:47:14 GMT

--------

> > Paul, pardon me for sounding dumb, but what is constitutional homeopathy?



Some basic definitions:



Constitutional Homeopathy: a specific therapy that uses whole substances from

nature, individually, to stimulate a healing reaction via matching the WHOLE

pattern of a person's health with the pattern of reaction that HEALTHY people

have to those substances (sometimes in nonsubstantial doses), and then

administering (generally) one dose of that substance, often in a

nonsubstantial dose. The term constitutional, added to the base term

Homeopathy, tells you that the therapy is directed to flaws in the

constitution, often inherited flaws. This is a standalone therapy...there

should be NO other therapies combined with it, by the same doctor at least,

imo.



Naturopathy: various therapies designed to remove accumulations from the

physical organism that are thought to be blocking the natural order of the

body.



Chinese healing: a non-Naturopathic, non-Homeopathic therapy system using

herbs, acupuncture (and pressure), and lifestyle change to balance health,

when health and illness is considered from the specific empirical frame of

Yinyang and all the elaborations of that theory and other holistic theories

specific to that tradition's observations of nature, illness, and health.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Helping ???!!!

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 15:24:44 -0900

--------

At 07:43 AM 3/6/97 -0500, User Linda C. wrote:

>In a message dated 97-03-04 02:21:16 EST, you write:

>

><<  ..I sure hope that all of you folks on this list are not as arrogant and

> > assumptive as the posts from Paul ..

> >makes me wonder if perhaps we

> > need a herb list that is more open to sharing information rather than

> judging >>

>Midge- I agree with your statements. I am new to this list also and have

>noted the know-it-all attitude dominates over any substantial advice from

>this person. He doesn't seem to want to "help"  but rather belittle others;

>remarkably like  some of the arrogant MD's who suffer from "God syndrome".

>Your unselfish desire to help this woman shows you are a healer at heart.

>Hang in there. Luvlylin

>

>

Please learn to look past what you think is arrogance. You might just miss

something that is extremely beneficial.  Don't fall into the trap of

missing valuable information because you are offended. A truly wise learner

will find knowledge in all sorts of circumstances.  Don't be afraid of even

learning that you could be mistaken about some things.  The more you learn,

the bigger the picture and the more accurate your own knowledge.  Learning

about things that aren't true can be just as valuable as learning what is true.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Extracts, almond in peticular

From: Tommy Clonts <TCLONTS@EAC.CC.AZ.US>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 21:04:02 -0700

--------

Hello,

I was wondering, is there anyone out there who knows how to make flavor

extracts? Peticularly vanilla and almond.



Thanks,

Tommy





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Is Horsechestnut toxic?

From: Michael Halpern <MHalpern@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 6 Mar 1997 23:43:20 -0500

--------

The herb books I've consulted that mention horsechestnut at all contradict

each other on the parts used & the toxic parts.  Is the nut itself safe to

take internally?  If so, how is it prepared?  What about the hulls?



David Hoffmann's books suggest infusing the nut, I suppose by first powdering

it.  Some other books say it's poisonous.



There are German preparations such as Reparil that convert the beta escins in

horsechestnut into the more absorbable alpha escins.  I've been unable to

find out anything about them.  I need a product that does not contain

alcohol.  If anyone can suggest a source for this, please let me know.



Michael





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: HERB SYMPOSIUM AT THE NY BOTANICAL GARDEN

From: Alexis Ritacco <aritacco@NYBG.ORG>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 10:12:21 EST

--------

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==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

From: ASHLEY C ALOIA <aloia@NEVADA.EDU>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 11:18:16 -0800

--------

I was wondering if anyone had info on remedies for different cancers.  I

have an uncle whos going in for surgery for prostate cancer and a friend

going in for ovarian cancer.  Is there anything to help the cancer or at

least the healing after surgery?

Thanx

Ashley





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: HEAVY MENSTRUATION

From: "Barbara M." <QV2512_111@SATURN.COMMNET.EDU>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:20:04 +0200

--------

I'm a newbie, and you all seem very knowledgable. I wonder if anyone has any

suggestions.



I have had heavy but more or less regular periods (25-35 days range) for

several years. I'm 45, never been pregnant. They start out very light for

about 5 days, then heavy for 3, flooding in the middle day or so, then

tapering off for about 5 days. Nothing seems to help. I take vitex every

day, wild yam for 2 weeks before I expect my period, I avoid ginger during

flow. I've tried dong quai (not during flow) but it didn't seem to help at

all. During heavy flow, I take homeopathic sabina 30c. I've tried nettle,

cramp bark, raspberry leaf, and herbs for the liver such as yellow dock

dandelion root and sassafrass root. I've tried wild geranium tincture, and

shepherd's purse tincture. Maybe they do help, and it'd be much worse

without them, but I can't imagine it being much worse.



I' a little overweight (5'1", 150 lb), not terribly active, though I try to

get in a bit of light weight exercise every day. Can't when I'm bleeding

though. I eat very little meat, mostly chicken; I take vitamins. I avoid

aspirin and ibuprofen when bleeding, but use Tylenol for the cramps, which

doesn't get rid of them altogether. A heating pad doesn't help. Can anyone

suggest anything?



Thanks in advance.



Barbara M





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAVY MENSTRUATION

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:34:31 EST

--------

St. Johnswort is indicated for heavy bleeding or flooding.  Try 30 drops

of tincture 3x per day, from ovulation through end of period.



Flooding may be an early sign of menopause for you, especially as your

hormone balance changes.  Ask the older women in your family if they had

a similar experience.  However if you haven't already, you should rule

out sources of uterine distress such as irritation from an IUD, fibroids,

ovarian cysts, adenomatus hyperplasia, polyps or (rarely) cancer.



Vitex takes several month of daily use, so see that you have given it

enough time to act.  Similarly, shepherds purse may need to be taken for

months if you have fibroids.  Otherwise blue cohosh or trillium tincture

forup to 4 times per day for several days should help where shepherd's

purse does not. Alchemilla vulgaris, lady's mantle, controlled menstrual

hemmorage in virtually all of more than 300 women in a recent study,

according to Susun Weed. (I don't have the reference though.)



Susun Weed's book, Menopausal Years The Wise Woman Way, has an extensive

section on menstrual flodding, including homeopathics.  If you haven't

read it, I suggest you do.



Good luck,



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:20:04 +0200 "Barbara M."  writes:

>I have had heavy but more or less regular periods (25-35 days range) for

>several years. I'm 45, never been pregnant. They start out very light

for

>about 5 days, then heavy for 3, flooding in the middle day or so, then

>tapering off for about 5 days. Nothing seems to help. I take vitex every

>day, wild yam for 2 weeks before I expect my period, I avoid ginger

>during flow. I've tried dong quai (not during flow) but it didn't seem

to

>help at all. During heavy flow, I take homeopathic sabina 30c. I've

tried

>nettle,cramp bark, raspberry leaf, and herbs for the liver such as

yellow

>dock dandelion root and sassafrass root. I've tried wild geranium

tincture,

>and shepherd's purse tincture. Maybe they do help, and it'd be much

worse

>without them, but I can't imagine it being much worse.

>

>I' a little overweight (5'1", 150 lb), not terribly active, though I

>try to

>get in a bit of light weight exercise every day. Can't when I'm

>bleeding

>though. I eat very little meat, mostly chicken; I take vitamins. I

>avoid

>aspirin and ibuprofen when bleeding, but use Tylenol for the cramps,

>which

>doesn't get rid of them altogether. A heating pad doesn't help. Can

>anyone

>suggest anything?

>

>Thanks in advance.

>

>Barbara M

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAVY MENSTRUATION

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:21:05 -0500

--------

barbara, 



i agree with karen, and have found that sipping a weak gingeroot tea

during the day for cramps does wonders.

go for the workup, get the test results and then we'll know what we're

dealing with (it's hard enough diagagnosing at a distance without

fumbling around in the dark!  :>})



                                                Lee.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAVY MENSTRUATION

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 04:21:52 UT

--------

Doesn't the trillium need to be taken fresh? I have read somewhere that

trillium wasn't very effective if it was not fresh



----------

From:   Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list on behalf of Karen

Vaughan

Sent:   Friday, March 07, 1997 10:34 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: HEAVY MENSTRUATION



St. Johnswort is indicated for heavy bleeding or flooding.  Try 30 drops

of tincture 3x per day, from ovulation through end of period.



Flooding may be an early sign of menopause for you, especially as your

hormone balance changes.  Ask the older women in your family if they had

a similar experience.  However if you haven't already, you should rule

out sources of uterine distress such as irritation from an IUD, fibroids,

ovarian cysts, adenomatus hyperplasia, polyps or (rarely) cancer.



Vitex takes several month of daily use, so see that you have given it

enough time to act.  Similarly, shepherds purse may need to be taken for

months if you have fibroids.  Otherwise blue cohosh or trillium tincture

forup to 4 times per day for several days should help where shepherd's

purse does not. Alchemilla vulgaris, lady's mantle, controlled menstrual

hemmorage in virtually all of more than 300 women in a recent study,

according to Susun Weed. (I don't have the reference though.)



Susun Weed's book, Menopausal Years The Wise Woman Way, has an extensive

section on menstrual flodding, including homeopathics.  If you haven't

read it, I suggest you do.



Good luck,



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Fri, 7 Mar 1997 21:20:04 +0200 "Barbara M."  writes:

>I have had heavy but more or less regular periods (25-35 days range) for

>several years. I'm 45, never been pregnant. They start out very light

for

>about 5 days, then heavy for 3, flooding in the middle day or so, then

>tapering off for about 5 days. Nothing seems to help. I take vitex every

>day, wild yam for 2 weeks before I expect my period, I avoid ginger

>during flow. I've tried dong quai (not during flow) but it didn't seem

to

>help at all. During heavy flow, I take homeopathic sabina 30c. I've

tried

>nettle,cramp bark, raspberry leaf, and herbs for the liver such as

yellow

>dock dandelion root and sassafrass root. I've tried wild geranium

tincture,

>and shepherd's purse tincture. Maybe they do help, and it'd be much

worse

>without them, but I can't imagine it being much worse.

>

>I' a little overweight (5'1", 150 lb), not terribly active, though I

>try to

>get in a bit of light weight exercise every day. Can't when I'm

>bleeding

>though. I eat very little meat, mostly chicken; I take vitamins. I

>avoid

>aspirin and ibuprofen when bleeding, but use Tylenol for the cramps,

>which

>doesn't get rid of them altogether. A heating pad doesn't help. Can

>anyone

>suggest anything?

>

>Thanks in advance.

>

>Barbara M

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAVY MENSTRUATION

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 10:57:29 EST

--------

>Doesn't the trillium need to be taken fresh? I have read somewhere that

trillium wasn't very effective if it was not fresh



----------

The tincture needs to be made from fresh, not dried plants.  Infusions

would require fresh material as well.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAVY MENSTRUATION

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 23:27:51 GMT

--------

> I have had heavy but more or less regular periods (25-35 days range) for

> several years. I'm 45, never been pregnant. They start out very light for

> about 5 days, then heavy for 3, flooding in the middle day or so, then

> tapering off for about 5 days. Nothing seems to help. I take vitex every

> day, wild yam for 2 weeks before I expect my period, I avoid ginger during

> flow. I've tried dong quai (not during flow) but it didn't seem to help at

> all. During heavy flow, I take homeopathic sabina 30c. I've tried nettle,

> cramp bark, raspberry leaf, and herbs for the liver such as yellow dock

> dandelion root and sassafrass root. I've tried wild geranium tincture, and

> shepherd's purse tincture. Maybe they do help, and it'd be much worse

> without them, but I can't imagine it being much worse.



These patterns are known as Beng Lou (pronounced 'low'), or Flooding and

Spotting. They usually result from longterm weakness of Kidney, Liver, and

Stomach energies.



Therapy for Beng Lou is difficult, but the complaints can be moderated

through proper lifestyle and herbal therapy as appropriate. You need to work

with a local Chinese healer, since the therapy should be changed as the

periods progress.



In the meantime, you need to eat a high protein diet to offset the losses due

to bleeding. And you need to try and get a handle on your sweet cravings and

sleep cycle.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: practitioners

From: mjopp <mjopp@XNET.COM>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 15:02:32 -0600

--------

Hi,



I just found out that we are moving to Westchester County, NY. Does

anyone know of a qualified holistic practictioner or homeopathic

(preferably classical) doctor in this area? Thanks in advance. You can

e-mail me in private to save list space.



Jodi



mjopp@xnet.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: practitioners

From: Alan Bennett <qihai@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:25:46 -0600

--------

Hi Jodi,  We're a group of Chinese Medical (TCM) practitioners at 152

E. Post Rd.( SHANGHAI ACUPUNCTURE SPECIALISTS) , White Plains Tel.

914-328-3474-- Welcome!

>

>Hi,

>

>I just found out that we are moving to Westchester County, NY. Does

>anyone know of a qualified holistic practictioner or homeopathic

>(preferably classical) doctor in this area? Thanks in advance. You can

>e-mail me in private to save list space.

>

>Jodi

>

>mjopp@xnet.com

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: cholesterol

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Fri, 7 Mar 1997 22:58:18 UT

--------

Looking for some info on herbs that will clean the gooey kid stuff off of the

vascular structure. I know they say garlic will lower cholesterol, but will it

help remove shat is already there. Trying to get information on saffron which

I think will do the job, but it is so expensive. Guggal as I understand it

will also lower cholesterol, but there again will it remove what is already

there. looking for information if anyone  knows of anything I will appreciate

it.   Thanks





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cholesterol

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:14:00 -0500

--------

ginger and alfalfa both lower cholesterol, and considering alfalfa's

other actions - i.e. ridding the body of sludge, i wouuld say that yes,

in time it would remove deposits, as a matter of fact any plant

containing saponosides would - however prudence here, don't surpass

reccommended dosages (could lead to anemia).



                                        Lee.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cholesterol

From: Connie Kehler <g.musings@DLCWEST.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:03:04 -0600

--------

I was jsut at a onference on medicinal and aromatic plants in brandon

manitoba and they are developing a pharmacutical from flax that will work

with various diseases such as lupus.  They said it works on colesteral but

should be used as a flour of added into food as a seed.



At 10:58 PM 3/7/97 UT, you wrote:

>Looking for some info on herbs that will clean the gooey kid stuff off of the

>vascular structure. I know they say garlic will lower cholesterol, but will it

>help remove shat is already there. Trying to get information on saffron which

>I think will do the job, but it is so expensive. Guggal as I understand it

>will also lower cholesterol, but there again will it remove what is already

>there. looking for information if anyone  knows of anything I will appreciate

>it.   Thanks

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cholesterol

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:49:23 -0500

--------

No need to look for a magic herb, just increase your fiber intake and eat

more omega 3 oil  rich foods. These have been proven to lower serum

cholesterol. Can't do anything about the plaque that is already built up. If

you have heard of anything that does that, please let me know. Luvlylin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: plant effective against various tumors and cancers RE: Ashley

              query

From: Richard Ebensteiner <info51@PHYTOTHERAPEUTIC.COM>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 00:28:52 PST

--------

Saint Paul, MN

March 7, 1997



Dear Ashley,



I read with interest you letter to Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list.  If I may suggest research on Momordica charantia, if you are not familiar.  It has many different names around the world and has been used for medicine for generations by several different cultures.



There is much modern scientific research on Momordica charantia.  I have found it going back to the middle 60's where I read the research of Delores Takomato at the University of Kansas relating to Mc and diabetes.  The research is very interesting and promising.



Recently the United States patent office granted a patent for the protein called MAP 30 ( Momordica Anti-aids Protein, 30 kDa ) to New York University, American Biosciences, Inc. and the Department of Health and Human Services, (NIH).  Patent Nr: 5,484,889.



Wherein the abstract, it is disclosed, "A protein comprising a MAP 30, obtained from the fruit and seeds of the plant Momordica charantia or reproduced by recombinant means useful for treating tumors and HIV infections is disclosed".



Much more cancer and diabetes research and sources as well as links to other sites relating to this plant can be found at  http://www.phytotherapeutic.com



Much respect,

Richard Ebensteiner

---------------------------------------------------

----------------------------

Friday 3/07/97

Ashley email

I was wondering if anyone had info on remedies for different cancers.  I

have an uncle whos going in for surgery for prostate cancer and a friend

going in for ovarian cancer.  Is there anything to help the cancer or at

least the healing after surgery?

Thanx

Ashley

___________________________________________

Roots & Culture

        info51@phytotherapeutic.com     http://www.phytotherapeutic.com

        Sittee River Red Hill Limited

        Barranco Village

        Belize,  Central America





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What are you talking about?

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 13:42:02 -0500

--------

I'm having a little trouble following short posts that seem to be explaining

something important but don't copy any part of the original post to give you

a clue.  You all have so much to contribute, but a lot of times I can't

connect it to anything.  Sometimes so much time goes by I forget what the

subject thread was really about :-p

Am I being too picky?  Whine, whine.

This is the most informed ng I've found and I want to thank everyone who

hangs in there for us and I especially don't want to miss anything.

Thanks to you all,

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Levator ani syndrome

From: Kevin & Erica Heffernan <hefferna@TOGETHER.NET>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 15:13:21 -0500

--------

Hi all,



I've recently signed back on this list after a 3 year absence, its good to

see it is still thriving.  My aunt who doesn't have internet access

recently asked my assistance.  She was diagnosed over two years ago with

levator ani syndrome. She has been in chronic pain for a long time and the

mainstream medical doctors have been unable to do anything for her.  She is

looking to alternatives for help.  This syndrome entails uncontrolled

spasms of the rectal muscles leading to disabling pain.  Has anyone heard

of successful treatments for this ailment?  She would be grateful for

anything that would ease the symptoms.  Along with this ailment she also

has irritable bowel syndrome and is looking for alternative therapies for

that as well.  If anyone has any suggestions they would be very much

appreciated.



Thanks,



Erica H.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Levator ani syndrome

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:54:24 GMT

--------

> She was diagnosed over two years ago with

> levator ani syndrome.



All prolapse complaints have as their basic constituent a lack of 'Upright

Qi.' Though the condition needs to be separately considered in detail, herbs

that support Upright Qi (like ginseng) will help prolapse.



And tell her to stop eating fruit, coffee, iced drinks, and frozen desserts.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Oh Those Leg Cramps!

From: Karyn Farrell <Syber12@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 8 Mar 1997 17:19:44 -0500

--------

Can anyone give me advice on what I can do to eliminate muscle leg cramps

once they occur and how can I prevent getting them at all.



Thanks in Advance,

Karyn





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oh Those Leg Cramps!

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:25:57 -0900

--------

At 05:19 PM 3/8/97 -0500, Karyn Farrell wrote:

>Can anyone give me advice on what I can do to eliminate muscle leg cramps

>once they occur and how can I prevent getting them at all.

>

>Thanks in Advance,

>Karyn

>

>

I find that taking at least 1000mg of chelated calcium daily helps avoid

the cramps.  Just make sure you take magnesium at the same time to aid in

assimilation of the calcium.  You can also use Cramp Bark (Viburnum spp.)

in tincture for more immediate relief.  Decoction of Viburnum will take a

little longer (30 min or so) but is also effective.  The herb in capsules

can  take a great deal longer to be effective depending on its quality and

freshness.  I personally am getting to prefer the "old" way of using

tinctures, decoctions and infusions for my herb remedies.  They just seem

to work better.

There are other herbs such as lobelia, scullcap, valerian, black and blue

cohosh, skunk cabbage and hops which can help as well.

It would be good to find out why you are getting the cramps and treat that.

 But these can be helpful in the meantime.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oh Those Leg Cramps!

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 12:31:14 -0500

--------

hi karyn!



 at the risk of sounding redundant -  :>}  -  try  flowering oat (avena

sativa) tea.



this is efficient when the cramps are due to a lack of calcium (which

i've found is most of the time)



Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cholesterol

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 03:52:13 UT

--------

I posted a message looking for botanicals that would take cholesterol off the

vascular structure and had some replys to my post that I greatly appreciated.

One of the post stated that ginger and alfalfa would help in this

situation.The post stated that any plant with saponins should help accomplish

this. Then I looked up in some of the old books and found how that saponins

break down fat like soap washing detergent. I was mad at myself because I had

read that before but it just didn't sink in. I went to the phytochenmical

database and was going to run a query on plants that had this action, but I

guess I didn't know the right name for for cholesterol lowering actions if

there is a right name I would like to know. Then some kind soul also wrote me

and said linden flowers would also accomplish this. What I need is some book

or some source of information that gives specific actions and why they do what

they do. I thought I had enough books but it seems I never have enough. Thanks

again for the reply's I got.That is the reason I joined this list, when I find

out stuff like this I feel this list is the greatest thing since sliced bread.

  John     J2030@msn.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cholesterol

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 23:41:08 GMT

--------

> The first book on

> phytopharmacognosy written by a practicing herbalist since the eclectics

> went

> away.



Hardly. Simon Mills' The Essential Book of Herbal Medicine (Penguin) has been

out for several years.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cholesterol

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:21:21 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-11 15:06:12 EST, you write:



<, on a more affordable level, "Andrew Pengelly's 'The

 Constituents of Medicinal Plants >>

Who publishes this book?  Sounds perfect. Thanx  luvlylin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: aching feet better

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 00:08:17 -0500

--------

Thanks to all.



I am amazed at how quickly my body is responding to the suggestions I

received here.



[[[The balls of my feet had been aching for the first time in many

years. I am on my feet many hours a day, and I also have inconsistent

unusual working hours.]]]



In one of the posts Paul Ianonne said to drink peppermint tea which I

have done for four days now. I haven't been able to see an Acupuncturist

for the Kidney meridian, but I have massaged my feet daily and done some

reflexology type massage on the balls of my feet. I have eliminated

coffee and I took my own food to work, which was mostly grains, and

vegetables cooked and uncooked.



I had stopped wearing a very expensive pair of shoes that were supposed

to be good for people on their feet. But now I realize they were not

right for me. I had stopped wearing these a few weeks ago and the ache

still continued. But even my low shoes (sturdy Rockports flats) hurt.



I also realized that my feet had been very hot lately (I didn't really

pay attention) and maybe even a little swollen. My shoes were more

comfortable and the heat is gone.



I am amazed that something as simple as Peppermint tea is so helpful.



Thanks again, Now I have the time to pursue the other advice.



Susan





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: aching feet better

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:48:27 GMT

--------

> I also realized that my feet had been very hot lately (I didn't really

> pay attention) and maybe even a little swollen. My shoes were more

> comfortable and the heat is gone.

>

> I am amazed that something as simple as Peppermint tea is so helpful.



Yeah, so much for that big corporate patent, eh? Now what will we do to

maintain our profit margin...?



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Adult acne

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 10:43:37 +0000

--------

Have been 'out of it' for a few weeks with two flu bugs and CFS, and have

about 400 messages to go through!!



Would be so grateful for advice, please. My 22 year old daughter,  (coming

up to 23) has suffered from acne since she was 16.  She is at university in

Kamakura and her home is in Tokyo.  The clarity of the air is a vast

improvement in Kamakura, although Tokyo city has a clean air act.   She

sent me this posting today:



Quote:   I am still trying to figure out why I have this problem at my age,

as the dermatologist said that it wasn't from any bad acne bacteria, he

tested it and found only the normal acne bacteria, so considering my age

and healthy life-style, I really shouldn't be having any problems.

Unquote.



She is taking yet another course of antibiotics, which she does not really

want to do, but she gets very depressed without them.  I have sent her some

echinacea tablets, but should she take these while on the antibiotics?



I look forward to your replies with thanks and appreciation.



Penny





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:48:12 GMT

--------

> I am still trying to figure out why I have this problem at my age,

> as the dermatologist said that it wasn't from any bad acne bacteria, he

> tested it and found only the normal acne bacteria, so considering my age

> and healthy life-style, I really shouldn't be having any problems.



Heat in the Lungs, Dampness in the Digestion. How healthy IS her lifestyle?

Tell her not to take any stimulants, and to stop eating fruit. Forget the

antibiotics...they just create more Dampness.



Peppermint tea, often.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:11:48 GMT

--------

> Heat in the Lungs, Dampness in the Digestion. How healthy IS her lifestyle?

> Tell her not to take any stimulants, and to stop eating fruit. Forget the

> antibiotics...they just create more Dampness.

>

> Peppermint tea, often.

>

> Paul

>

> Thanks for the reply, Paul, and to everyone who has posted me privately.

> My daughter's lifestyle is probably pretty stressed, as she takes her

> studies very seriously.    She is also a swim teacher during her spare

> time.   She has a high intake of fruit in her diet, and fruit juice.



There you do. That is the fatal flaw. If she wants to keep on having health

problems, she should continue this practice.



>She

> does alot of travelling during vacations, including 12 hour flights to the

> UK and back.   I guess her diet also consists of wok cooking with olive oil

> and spices, mainly vegetables, pulses and seafood.    She went through a

> severe anorexic/bulimic stage which lasted approximately four years,  which

> thankfully she has now recovered from.   Could this be relative to her

> condition?



Of course. She has a damaged Stomach. She needs to wean herself off sweets,

and that very definitely includes fruit and fruit juice! The first rule is NO

sweets within an hour of meals, and non-fruit days. The intermediate goal is

fruit only once a week BETWEEN MEALS as a treat, though I suspect that if she

stops having it regularly, she will notice how crappy she feels when she eats

it.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Adult acne

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:19:59 +0000

--------

Heat in the Lungs, Dampness in the Digestion. How healthy IS her lifestyle?

Tell her not to take any stimulants, and to stop eating fruit. Forget the

antibiotics...they just create more Dampness.



Peppermint tea, often.



Paul



Thanks for the reply, Paul, and to everyone who has posted me privately.

My daughter's lifestyle is probably pretty stressed, as she takes her

studies very seriously.    She is also a swim teacher during her spare

time.   She has a high intake of fruit in her diet, and fruit juice.  She

does alot of travelling during vacations, including 12 hour flights to the

UK and back.   I guess her diet also consists of wok cooking with olive oil

and spices, mainly vegetables, pulses and seafood.    She went through a

severe anorexic/bulimic stage which lasted approximately four years,  which

thankfully she has now recovered from.   Could this be relative to her

condition?



With grateful thanks as always.



Penny





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:06:32 -0500

--------

Penny Hemans wrote:

>

> Have been 'out of it' for a few weeks with two flu bugs and CFS, and have

> about 400 messages to go through!!

>

> Would be so grateful for advice, please. My 22 year old daughter,  (coming

> up to 23) has suffered from acne since she was 16.  She is at university in

> Kamakura and her home is in Tokyo.  The clarity of the air is a vast

> improvement in Kamakura, although Tokyo city has a clean air act.   She

> sent me this posting today:

>

> Quote:   I am still trying to figure out why I have this problem at my age,

> as the dermatologist said that it wasn't from any bad acne bacteria, he

> tested it and found only the normal acne bacteria, so considering my age

> and healthy life-style, I really shouldn't be having any problems.

> Unquote.

>

> She is taking yet another course of antibiotics, which she does not really

> want to do, but she gets very depressed without them.  I have sent her some

> echinacea tablets, but should she take these while on the antibiotics?

>

> I look forward to your replies with thanks and appreciation.

>

> Penny



hi Penny,



        i have used Burdock tea (arctium lappa) with great success for many

people, even those with severe scarring (of course the scaring is

irrevesible, but it looks much better after the inflammation goes away)

and inflamed pustules.



proceedure:



1 oz burdock root to 1 qt cold water bring to a boil and simmer covered

for twenty minutes. drink three cups of this a day. put the leftover tea

in a bottle in the fridge with an old face cloth in it and have her wash

her face with this when ever it occurs to her to do so.



I'm assuming that her diet is under control.

good luck,

                                Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: "Sandow, Kay" <KSANDOW@HQ.ROW.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 13:46:00 -0500

--------

  As a child, we had a family friend who was a shaman (I think Cherokee, but

I was young).  My mother had horrible pitting acne.  He made her up a bottle

of brown smelly liquid he called 6/6.  He wouldn't tell us what was in it.

 He was afraid that people would try to make it who didn't know what they

were doing.  She took 1 Tbs. 1-3 times per day (it was really horrible

tasting).  She only has one scar left now.  He had died before I was old

enough to speak with him on a professional level and find out what this

stuff was.



I don't know if anyone out there has access to native american healers that

may know what this was, but it sure was amazing for acne.  I only wish I

would have been old enought to study with him.



Kay

 ----------

From: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

To: HERB

Subject: Re: Adult acne

Date: Tuesday, March 11, 1997 1:02PM



Penny Hemans wrote:

>

> Have been 'out of it' for a few weeks with two flu bugs and CFS, and have

> about 400 messages to go through!!

>

> Would be so grateful for advice, please. My 22 year old daughter,  (coming

> up to 23) has suffered from acne since she was 16.  She is at university

in

> Kamakura and her home is in Tokyo.  The clarity of the air is a vast

> improvement in Kamakura, although Tokyo city has a clean air act.   She

> sent me this posting today:

>

> Quote:   I am still trying to figure out why I have this problem at my

age,

> as the dermatologist said that it wasn't from any bad acne bacteria, he

> tested it and found only the normal acne bacteria, so considering my age

> and healthy life-style, I really shouldn't be having any problems.

> Unquote.

>

> She is taking yet another course of antibiotics, which she does not really

> want to do, but she gets very depressed without them.  I have sent her

some

> echinacea tablets, but should she take these while on the antibiotics?

>

> I look forward to your replies with thanks and appreciation.

>

> Penny



hi Penny,



        i have used Burdock tea (arctium lappa) with great success for many

people, even those with severe scarring (of course the scaring is

irrevesible, but it looks much better after the inflammation goes away)

and inflamed pustules.



proceedure:



1 oz burdock root to 1 qt cold water bring to a boil and simmer covered

for twenty minutes. drink three cups of this a day. put the leftover tea

in a bottle in the fridge with an old face cloth in it and have her wash

her face with this when ever it occurs to her to do so.



I'm assuming that her diet is under control.

good luck,

                                Lee.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Jayel Hoover <jayel@SLINKNET.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 15:03:21 -0600

--------

At 01:46 PM 3/11/97 -0500, Kay wrote:



>  As a child, we had a family friend who was a shaman (I think Cherokee, but

>I was young).  My mother had horrible pitting acne.  He made her up a bottle

>of brown smelly liquid he called 6/6.  He wouldn't tell us what was in it.

> He was afraid that people would try to make it who didn't know what they

>were doing.  She took 1 Tbs. 1-3 times per day (it was really horrible

>tasting).  She only has one scar left now.  He had died before I was old

>enough to speak with him on a professional level and find out what this

>stuff was.

>

>I don't know if anyone out there has access to native american healers that

>may know what this was, but it sure was amazing for acne.  I only wish I

>would have been old enought to study with him.

>

>Kay



Although a Tsalagi shaman will discuss the healing properties of individual

herbs, formulae are considered sacred and the personal property of the

healer. They are not shared outside of the Master/Apprentice relationship,

except those that are considered common knowledge.



Jayel Hoover





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Acts Magdalena <acts_mag@panix.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:22:01 -0500

--------

It is sad when such secrets die though.  Inever agreed wholly with this,

I think if a healer does not have an apprentice they should assign people

as holders of certain formulas.  I think it is wrong to take something

away that could help, I think it defeats the purpose of helping.  If you

can't trust certain things to people in general, I think it is part of the

responsibility of a healer to find someone.  To die with your secrets is

very selfish and destructive and egotistical.

Christian



On Tue, 11 Mar 1997, Jayel Hoover wrote:



> At 01:46 PM 3/11/97 -0500, Kay wrote:

>

> >  As a child, we had a family friend who was a shaman (I think Cherokee, but

> >I was young).  My mother had horrible pitting acne.  He made her up a bottle

> >of brown smelly liquid he called 6/6.  He wouldn't tell us what was in it.

> > He was afraid that people would try to make it who didn't know what they

> >were doing.  She took 1 Tbs. 1-3 times per day (it was really horrible

> >tasting).  She only has one scar left now.  He had died before I was old

> >enough to speak with him on a professional level and find out what this

> >stuff was.

> >

> >I don't know if anyone out there has access to native american healers that

> >may know what this was, but it sure was amazing for acne.  I only wish I

> >would have been old enought to study with him.

> >

> >Kay

>

> Although a Tsalagi shaman will discuss the healing properties of individual

> herbs, formulae are considered sacred and the personal property of the

> healer. They are not shared outside of the Master/Apprentice relationship,

> except those that are considered common knowledge.

>

> Jayel Hoover

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Adult acne

From: Penny Hemans <pennyh@THENET.CO.UK>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:39:10 +0000

--------

Of course. She has a damaged Stomach. She needs to wean herself off sweets,

and that very definitely includes fruit and fruit juice! The first rule is NO

sweets within an hour of meals, and non-fruit days. The intermediate goal is

fruit only once a week BETWEEN MEALS as a treat, though I suspect that if she

stops having it regularly, she will notice how crappy she feels when she eats

it.



Paul





Paul - could you enlighten me as to the damage involved in her stomach,

please.  Why no sweet things - is this something to do with the

acidity/alkalinity and the stomach lining?



Much appreciate your advice.



With thanks



Penny





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Rafael Melendez <Graftonnd@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 22:31:32 -0500

--------

Acne has been implicated with bowel dysbiosis. Antibiotic use will exacerbate

this condition as it depletes even further the beneficial intestinal flora.

Obtain some Sacharomyces boulardii. Ingest 2-3 caps 2x (morning 30 min.

before breakfast. Same with lunch.) Glutamine, marshmallow, gama-oryzanol

will heal the gut. Prevent ingestion of white flour, sugar (all kinds

including honey), and tap water. Extracts of Gentian or Orange peel should be

used before each meal (about 30 min prior) to boost digestion. Learn food

combining (proteins, fats, carbs, etc.) No fruit juice or soda. Good luck.



Grafton





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:49:30 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-09 16:29:13 EST, you write:>> stop eating fruit<<

I am curious as to why you often suggest  people not eat fruit.  What other

sources do you consider as good replacements for these important dietary

foods? Luvlylin





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 17:59:22 GMT

--------

> It is sad when such secrets die though.  Inever agreed wholly with this,

> I think if a healer does not have an apprentice they should assign people

> as holders of certain formulas.  I think it is wrong to take something

> away that could help, I think it defeats the purpose of helping.  If you

> can't trust certain things to people in general, I think it is part of the

> responsibility of a healer to find someone.  To die with your secrets is

> very selfish and destructive and egotistical.

> Christian



> > Although a Tsalagi shaman will discuss the healing properties of

individual

> > herbs, formulae are considered sacred and the personal property of the

> > healer. They are not shared outside of the Master/Apprentice

relationship,

> > except those that are considered common knowledge.

> >

> > Jayel Hoover

> >



Only consumer cultures believe that they have a RIGHT to knowledge. Knowledge

is individual, and while there is certainly a virtue to communicating it

where proper, there are domains of knowledge where the last thing you can do

'responsibly' is to leave your secrets lying about for someone to harm

themselves or their society with.



At the level of shamanism, secrets are power. Someone without that power

won't know how to handle the secret; someone with it can find the secret for

themselves, or one more suited to their own character. If that seems

'unfair,' then all I can say is that it is merely emblematic of the

paradoxical, which surrounds us on all sides.



For a shaman, plant spirits are relationships. Your statement suggests that

it would be a shame if you somehow managed to get married to Michelle

Pfeiffer not to pass her around! Well, I suppose so, but it just doesn't work

that way in those circles. There is also the question of whether the PLANTS

__wish__ to be shared with others. The 'commodifying' of plants is a fairly

recent 'behavior.' To shamans they are living presences...for better or

worse.



So let's not be fooled by our rational expectations when we are examining the

value, to themselves or to others, of the life or discoveries of a shaman.

THAT s/he heals is already a gift. Any further gift they choose to give to

posterity is theirs to decide on.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:59:34 GMT

--------

> I am curious as to why you often suggest  people not eat fruit.  What other

> sources do you consider as good replacements for these important dietary

> foods? Luvlylin



Everything else you would put on a plate. Fruit nutrition is VASTLY

overrated. You can live an entire healthy lifetime without a piece of fruit,

if you so desired.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 06:06:27 GMT

--------

> Of course. She has a damaged Stomach. She needs to wean herself off sweets,

> and that very definitely includes fruit and fruit juice! The first rule is

NO

> sweets within an hour of meals, and non-fruit days. The intermediate goal

is

> fruit only once a week BETWEEN MEALS as a treat, though I suspect that if

she

> stops having it regularly, she will notice how crappy she feels when she

eats

> it.

>

> Paul

>

>

> Paul - could you enlighten me as to the damage involved in her stomach,

> please.



Anorexia damages the Yin and Qi of the Stomach. This damage can persist for

many years thereafter.



>Why no sweet things - is this something to do with the

> acidity/alkalinity and the stomach lining?



Sweets overstimulate the Stomach, causing Heat. Eaten around food, they

eliminate the Digestive work that the Stomach needs to do.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Daniela Lowe <danlowe@OVERNET.COM.AR>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:02:22 -0300

--------

>In a message dated 97-03-09 16:29:13 EST, you write:>> stop eating fruit<<

>I am curious as to why you often suggest  people not eat fruit.  What other

>sources do you consider as good replacements for these important dietary

>foods? Luvlylin



After being brought up with a mother who thinks that One apple a day, keeps

the doctor away, and one orange juice in the morning is gold, I usually ate

fruit.

Since Paul's reccomendation to not have any fruit, (and I do respect Paul's

opinion a lot) I stopped worrying about having fruit in my diet. So, now I

eat just whenever my body asks for a fruit, allways far from meals, and I

discovered that what my body asked for mostly are:"bananas"

And I feel great whenever I have them, like more energy .



So I would like too to be enlighten about this whole subject.



Thanks Paul, I really appreciate and also stock your advices.



(I have an HERB list folder, full of printed messages!)



Have a nice day!

Danielita



danlowe@overnet.com.ar

Buenos Aires

Argentina



To make Understanding, it takes: Affinity, Realitiy and Communication

Affinity is the relative distance and similarity of the two ends of a

communication line.

Reality is the degree of agreement reached by two ends of a communication line.

Communication is the interchange of ideas or particles between two points.



        (R.Hubbard)





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 06:53:03 +0200

--------

At 11:02 AM 3/20/97 -0300, Daniela Lowe wrote:

>>In a message dated 97-03-09 16:29:13 EST, you write:>> stop eating fruit<<

>>I am curious as to why you often suggest  people not eat fruit.  What other

>>sources do you consider as good replacements for these important dietary

>>foods? Luvlylin

>

>After being brought up with a mother who thinks that One apple a day, keeps

>the doctor away, and one orange juice in the morning is gold, I usually ate

>fruit.

>Since Paul's reccomendation to not have any fruit, (and I do respect Paul's

>opinion a lot) I stopped worrying about having fruit in my diet. So, now I

>eat just whenever my body asks for a fruit, allways far from meals, and I

>discovered that what my body asked for mostly are:"bananas"

>And I feel great whenever I have them, like more energy .

>

>So I would like too to be enlighten about this whole subject.

>

>Thanks Paul, I really appreciate and also stock your advices.

>

>(I have an HERB list folder, full of printed messages!)

>

>Have a nice day!

>Danielita

>

>danlowe@overnet.com.ar

>Buenos Aires

>Argentina

>

>To make Understanding, it takes: Affinity, Realitiy and Communication

>Affinity is the relative distance and similarity of the two ends of a

>communication line.

>Reality is the degree of agreement reached by two ends of a communication

line.

>Communication is the interchange of ideas or particles between two points.

>

>        (R.Hubbard)

>

>

Danielita,



        Bannanas are an exellent source of potassium!  If your body is craving

them, it may be because you aren't getting enough K+ in your diet.  Also,

you didn't mention whether you exercise a lot, but potassium helps to

remove lactic acid that builds up in muscles.  That would account for some

of your energy!

        And I agree that you should eat what your body tells you, not what you

tell your body.  It knows what it needs!



        Larissa





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:59:37 GMT

--------

> and I

> discovered that what my body asked for mostly are:"bananas"

> And I feel great whenever I have them, like more energy .



Bananas aren't a very good thing to eat on a regular basis, though. They have

a particularly strong downward energy, which weakens the colon.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 06:11:41 GMT

--------

>         And I agree that you should eat what your body tells you, not what

you

> tell your body.  It knows what it needs!



No it doesn't. The body is caught up in positive feedback loops of short

duration.



This is a major reason why you have a Heart spirit, so YOU can decide what is

proper to eat, once you have the basic facts before you.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cough (was Aching feet)

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 06:35:27 -0500

--------

This may be a coincidence, but since I have gone off coffee and started

drinking Peppermint tea, I have developed laryngitis and a cough. The

second night on the tea I was restless, had trouble getting to sleep,

dreamed crazy dreams and didn't sleep soundly. I went to work on 4 hours

restless sleep and found by the end of the day I had laryngitis and a

mild sore throat and the next day a cough as well. I am used to varying

hours of sleep - anyhwere from 4 hours sleep, to 10 or 12. Normally I am

a sound sleeper for 6 or 8 hours and have no trouble getting to sleep

and wake up with energy. Even with a restless sleep I felt O.K. until

the end of the day.



I have been taking Horehound cough syrup and spraying my throat and

gargling with an Echinechea, Goldenseal, Ginger blend. The soreness is

gone, and my voice is now raspy but I am still couging with small

amounts of faintly yellow phlegm. Should I be doing something else? I am

going to make Chicken Soup today from scratch.



Should I go on a mucusless diet? It requires 3 days of a gallon of juice

a day. (yuk) Does anyone know if this is good with a Kidney Yin

imbalance?



TIA Susan





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cough (was Aching feet)

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:47:39 GMT

--------

> This may be a coincidence, but since I have gone off coffee and started

> drinking Peppermint tea, I have developed laryngitis and a cough. The

> second night on the tea I was restless, had trouble getting to sleep,

> dreamed crazy dreams and didn't sleep soundly.



Yes, because coffee weakens your Defense Qi, and peppermint tea clears Heat

from the Lung, partly by opening the pores. So at first, it is easy to fall

ill with a URI. Nothing to worry about...keep going.



> Should I go on a mucusless diet? It requires 3 days of a gallon of juice

> a day. (yuk) Does anyone know if this is good with a Kidney Yin

> imbalance?



Forget that! Utter nonsense. A fruit juice fast is about the fastest way to

damage your Defense Qi further that I can imagine. Soups, plenty of soups. NO

FRUIT.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cough (was Aching feet)

From: Bruce Mencer <BAMencer@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 21:38:43 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-09 16:14:26 EST, you write:



<<  NO

 FRUIT. >>



Paul,



  I am curious about your response here.  Several other times I have seen you

tell others not to eat fruit.  Is this for all, for some ???   I would

appreciate your reasons and some indications of what the benefits of a

"fruitless" <g> life are.  TIA





Bruce





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: query

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 12:57:58 GMT

--------

> I read with interest you letter to Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussi=

> on list.  If I may suggest research on Momordica charantia, if you are =

> not familiar.  It has many different names around the world and has been =

> used for medicine for generations by several different cultures.



This is an AD. A commercial disclaimer was needed on this post.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: DHEA

From: Melisa Anne Guilbeault <maguilbe@ICE.LAKEHEADU.CA>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:07:49 +0000

--------

Hi,





I'm new to this list, and really like dabbling in naturopathic

science. Of lately I was asked by a friend if DHEA

(dehydroepiandrosterone/syn -> androstenolone) can be used to

lose weight, since I had a real interest in anabolic steroids.

& of course I didn't know.



Through about 3 hours or steady research into DHEA and

dehydroepiandrosterone-sulfate (DHEA-s), the androgenic substances

secreted primarily by the andrenal cortex, I really began to question

the indirect metabolic pathways of exogenous DHEA in comparison to

its direct anabolic effect.



*This following article gave me a lot of tips, which I think summed

up just about everything for me:



---------------------------------------------------------------------

Sheehy, Gail. "DHEA: Does it hold the secret to youth?" _The Natural

Way_   pp. 38-42. Jan/Feb. '97.

---------------------------------------------------------------------



Anyways, here is what I summerized,





ABOUT DHEA

----------



1. According to Sheehy what is most controversial about the use of

   DHEA is the overall metabolic effect it will have on the body:



   "The reasons behind such a fundamental disagreement is the

   capriciousness of this master hormone itself. Once in the

   bloodstream, DHEA converts to both estrogen and testosterone

   (Gail, p.40)."



   For one thing, DHEA does have a weak androgenic effect directly

   with quantifiable endogenous amounts in males and females, while

   having a catabolic (estrogenic) and/or anabolic (androgenic)

   effect on the body indirectly, through it's postcursor products,

   via this following metabolic pathway:



   A) Dehydroepiandrosterone

   B) Androstenedione

   C) Testosterone

   D) Estradiol



   Here we can see that DHEA has the potential to be enzymatically

   converted into three other hormones, which have very different

   effects, with the exception of Androstenedione which little is

   known about, like DHEA (my assumption).



   From reading Sheehy's article it becomes apparent that many

   researchers and clinicians have observed anabolic effects on

   high doses of exogenous DHEA like acne, and hirsutism. However my

   concern about using DHEA exogenously as an anabolic steroid, lies

   in the fact that it would be very hard to titrate the weak

   anabolic effect it would have directly in a small amount, which

   an athlete would take due to its low risk, in comparison to it's

   indirect effect, which can be both catabolic and anabolic. Also,

   even with high doses of exogenous DHEA nobody really has reported

   whether or not gynecomastia, or let's say clitoral hypertrophy

   (2-8cm in length) are symptoms of its abuse.



   Overall, from the literature I have come across, DHEA is not a

   hormone to fool around with unless an individual is looking to

   improve the quality of their life during andropause/menopause.



3. Sheehy also mentions (p.40) that nobody knows what effects

   exogenous DHEA has on metabolism (insulin, glucose, glucagon),

   cardiopulmonary disease, uterine fibroids, breast cysts, various

   carcinomas, and ectetera. Here I would agree. But I think quite a

   few of these questions can be answered if we could use DHEA just

   like any other prescription hormone, by titrating the variables,

   and finding out the overall effect it has on each individual in

   regards to their unique hormonal fingerprint.



4. Sheehy also mentioned that dioscorea is commonly advertized to be

   the precursor product of DHEA. This is partially true in my

   opinion (She calls it the, "Yam Myth."), after looking at the

   metabolic pathway of dioscorea for myself. Otherwise, according to

   Sheehy, it is only used in western  medicine as phyto

   corticosteroids, oral contraceptives, androgens and estrogens

   (p. 41).



   Dioscorea mexicana (Mexican yam) & Dioscorea villosa (wild yam)

   provide us with our dioscorea (Ibid).



   As Sheehy points out, the problem with thinking that DHEA will be

   used metabolicly through the following pathway:



   A) Dioscorea

   B) Pregnenolone

   C) 17OH-Pregnenolone

   D) Dehydroepiandrosterone



   has a major flaw in it. For after the age of 30 it is well known

   that DHEA and the more abundent DHEA-s (dehydroepiandrosterone

   sulfate) decline in the blood plasma, along with it's enzymatic

   activity that also discourages pregnenolone production (p. 41).

   As a result, I show below that dioscorea is more readily

   metabolized through the following route:



   A) Dioscorea

   B) Pregnenolone

   C) Progesterone

|  D1) 11-Dosoxycorticosterone -> Corticosterone

|  D2) 17OH-Progestorone -> Androstenedione -> testosterone

       -> estradiol



   which in effect produces corticosteroid, testosterone, and

   estradiol, rather than DHEA. Hence dioscorea precursors do not

   promote DHEA production in the aging population, which

   symbolically defeats the goal of the primary consumer. And as we

   can observe, dioscorea could be utilized through either pathway in

   the young. Otherwise, dioscorea plays on a very different

   metabolic pathway, that in effect peripherally, are just as

   unknown as the indirect metabolism of DHEA.



   Dioscorea, too, should be investigated like DHEA, as a potential

   hormone, if it already hasn't been.



5. My opinion is that it should only be used in the aging population

   to improve the 'quality' of life, as I do not not think it should

   be expected to create a longer life. I also believe that the aging

   population is > 55 yrs of age in this case, which is argueable,

   even though the levels of DHEA have been said to drop after the

   age of 25-30 according to Sheehy (p. 38) Other than that I would

   want to wait until more research, clinical  data, and knowledge is

   actually there, as I believe that there are potential risks

   involved, like everything else.



   My concern is not about giving DHEA to a 25 year old, but asking a

   25 year old get annual CBCs (free testosterone, 17-beta estradiol,

   and yada, yada, determinations), to keep things in check. & even

   here I would have questions about the individuals feritility, male

   or female, and the abuse you can promote indirectly.



   I'd say doses of 30-50mg with followup via CBC's while asking the

   elderly (*the word elderly is used figuratively) patient how they

   feel.



6. Please not that my discussion with myself did not bring into light

   the doses between males and females, which I don't think is

   something significant to worry about. Nor did I address the many

   other motives behind many scientists research.







Any comments and criticisms are welcome. I thrive on all of them. &

if it is criticism you would like to give, let's keep it

constructive.



Sincerely... Melisa





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 18:54:22 EST

--------

I would not recommend something that converts to estradriol to an aging

woman, simply because it feeds cancers.  A woman's body naturally reduces

estradriol production, although not estrogen generally, during menopause.

 (The "estrogen test" generally used actually measures FSH and LH, which

exist in an inverse relationship to estrogen during the early

childbearing years; since they increase during menopause, some have

assumed that estrogen drops.  It merely doesn't spike and the mixtures of

factors change.)  Reduced estradriol protects her from cancers at a time

in her life where she has more potentially cancerous cells.  If DHEA

would increase this factor of estrogen, it would not be advisible.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:07:49 +0000 Melisa Anne Guilbeault

<maguilbe@ICE.LAKEHEADU.CA> writes:

>Hi,

>

>

>I'm new to this list, and really like dabbling in naturopathic

>science. Of lately I was asked by a friend if DHEA

>(dehydroepiandrosterone/syn -> androstenolone) can be used to

>lose weight, since I had a real interest in anabolic steroids.

>& of course I didn't know.

>

>Through about 3 hours or steady research into DHEA and

>dehydroepiandrosterone-sulfate (DHEA-s), the androgenic substances

>secreted primarily by the andrenal cortex, I really began to question

>the indirect metabolic pathways of exogenous DHEA in comparison to

>its direct anabolic effect.

>

>*This following article gave me a lot of tips, which I think summed

>up just about everything for me:

>

>---------------------------------------------------------------------

>Sheehy, Gail. "DHEA: Does it hold the secret to youth?" _The Natural

>Way_   pp. 38-42. Jan/Feb. '97.

>---------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>Anyways, here is what I summerized,

>

>

>ABOUT DHEA

>----------

>

>1. According to Sheehy what is most controversial about the use of

>   DHEA is the overall metabolic effect it will have on the body:

>

>   "The reasons behind such a fundamental disagreement is the

>   capriciousness of this master hormone itself. Once in the

>   bloodstream, DHEA converts to both estrogen and testosterone

>   (Gail, p.40)."

>

>   For one thing, DHEA does have a weak androgenic effect directly

>   with quantifiable endogenous amounts in males and females, while

>   having a catabolic (estrogenic) and/or anabolic (androgenic)

>   effect on the body indirectly, through it's postcursor products,

>   via this following metabolic pathway:

>

>   A) Dehydroepiandrosterone

>   B) Androstenedione

>   C) Testosterone

>   D) Estradiol

>

>   Here we can see that DHEA has the potential to be enzymatically

>   converted into three other hormones, which have very different

>   effects, with the exception of Androstenedione which little is

>   known about, like DHEA (my assumption).

>

>   From reading Sheehy's article it becomes apparent that many

>   researchers and clinicians have observed anabolic effects on

>   high doses of exogenous DHEA like acne, and hirsutism. However my

>   concern about using DHEA exogenously as an anabolic steroid, lies

>   in the fact that it would be very hard to titrate the weak

>   anabolic effect it would have directly in a small amount, which

>   an athlete would take due to its low risk, in comparison to it's

>   indirect effect, which can be both catabolic and anabolic. Also,

>   even with high doses of exogenous DHEA nobody really has reported

>   whether or not gynecomastia, or let's say clitoral hypertrophy

>   (2-8cm in length) are symptoms of its abuse.

>

>   Overall, from the literature I have come across, DHEA is not a

>   hormone to fool around with unless an individual is looking to

>   improve the quality of their life during andropause/menopause.

>

>3. Sheehy also mentions (p.40) that nobody knows what effects

>   exogenous DHEA has on metabolism (insulin, glucose, glucagon),

>   cardiopulmonary disease, uterine fibroids, breast cysts, various

>   carcinomas, and ectetera. Here I would agree. But I think quite a

>   few of these questions can be answered if we could use DHEA just

>   like any other prescription hormone, by titrating the variables,

>   and finding out the overall effect it has on each individual in

>   regards to their unique hormonal fingerprint.

>

>4. Sheehy also mentioned that dioscorea is commonly advertized to be

>   the precursor product of DHEA. This is partially true in my

>   opinion (She calls it the, "Yam Myth."), after looking at the

>   metabolic pathway of dioscorea for myself. Otherwise, according to

>   Sheehy, it is only used in western  medicine as phyto

>   corticosteroids, oral contraceptives, androgens and estrogens

>   (p. 41).

>

>   Dioscorea mexicana (Mexican yam) & Dioscorea villosa (wild yam)

>   provide us with our dioscorea (Ibid).

>

>   As Sheehy points out, the problem with thinking that DHEA will be

>   used metabolicly through the following pathway:

>

>   A) Dioscorea

>   B) Pregnenolone

>   C) 17OH-Pregnenolone

>   D) Dehydroepiandrosterone

>

>   has a major flaw in it. For after the age of 30 it is well known

>   that DHEA and the more abundent DHEA-s (dehydroepiandrosterone

>   sulfate) decline in the blood plasma, along with it's enzymatic

>   activity that also discourages pregnenolone production (p. 41).

>   As a result, I show below that dioscorea is more readily

>   metabolized through the following route:

>

>   A) Dioscorea

>   B) Pregnenolone

>   C) Progesterone

>|  D1) 11-Dosoxycorticosterone -> Corticosterone

>|  D2) 17OH-Progestorone -> Androstenedione -> testosterone

>       -> estradiol

>

>   which in effect produces corticosteroid, testosterone, and

>   estradiol, rather than DHEA. Hence dioscorea precursors do not

>   promote DHEA production in the aging population, which

>   symbolically defeats the goal of the primary consumer. And as we

>   can observe, dioscorea could be utilized through either pathway in

>   the young. Otherwise, dioscorea plays on a very different

>   metabolic pathway, that in effect peripherally, are just as

>   unknown as the indirect metabolism of DHEA.

>

>   Dioscorea, too, should be investigated like DHEA, as a potential

>   hormone, if it already hasn't been.

>

>5. My opinion is that it should only be used in the aging population

>   to improve the 'quality' of life, as I do not not think it should

>   be expected to create a longer life. I also believe that the aging

>   population is > 55 yrs of age in this case, which is argueable,

>   even though the levels of DHEA have been said to drop after the

>   age of 25-30 according to Sheehy (p. 38) Other than that I would

>   want to wait until more research, clinical  data, and knowledge is

>   actually there, as I believe that there are potential risks

>   involved, like everything else.

>

>   My concern is not about giving DHEA to a 25 year old, but asking a

>   25 year old get annual CBCs (free testosterone, 17-beta estradiol,

>   and yada, yada, determinations), to keep things in check. & even

>   here I would have questions about the individuals feritility, male

>   or female, and the abuse you can promote indirectly.

>

>   I'd say doses of 30-50mg with followup via CBC's while asking the

>   elderly (*the word elderly is used figuratively) patient how they

>   feel.

>

>6. Please not that my discussion with myself did not bring into light

>   the doses between males and females, which I don't think is

>   something significant to worry about. Nor did I address the many

>   other motives behind many scientists research.

>

>

>

>Any comments and criticisms are welcome. I thrive on all of them. &

>if it is criticism you would like to give, let's keep it

>constructive.

>

>Sincerely... Melisa

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 05:35:39 GMT

--------

On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 14:07:49 +0000, Melisa Anne Guilbeault

<maguilbe@ICE.LAKEHEADU.CA> wrote to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>4. Sheehy also mentioned that dioscorea is commonly advertized to be

>   the precursor product of DHEA. This is partially true in my

>   opinion (She calls it the, "Yam Myth."), after looking at the

(snip)

>   As Sheehy points out, the problem with thinking that DHEA will be

>   used metabolicly through the following pathway:

>

>   A) Dioscorea

>   B) Pregnenolone

>   C) 17OH-Pregnenolone

>   D) Dehydroepiandrosterone

>

>   has a major flaw in it. For after the age of 30 it is well known

>   that DHEA and the more abundent DHEA-s (dehydroepiandrosterone

(snip)



I'd like you to explain point 4 further, as below statement is true (just picked

up on alt.folklore.herbs):

Pregnenolone must be taken as is no precursors will work.  The human body does

not have the enzyme necessary to convert wild yam to preg or DHEA.  Sorry but

herbals or plant precursors won't work.  Your body makes preg out of cholesterol

but stress can reduce the enzymes needed to do this and you can become

deficient.



So, your sources? Just advertising materials? They are not to be trusted.

Also, please read the entry on wild yam and contraception in the medicinal

herbfaq.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:33:00 -0500

--------

Henriette Kress wrote:



> So, your sources? Just advertising materials? They are not to be trusted.



Melisa, is this the Gail Sheehy who wrote Passages? I didn't realize she

was other than a succesful author or a  biologist/scientist or in any

way from a medicinal background. I do know she has done tremedous

research on her other books. Does she quote a source for this particular

information?



TIA Susien





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: MELISA ANNE GUILBEAULT <maguilbe@ICE.LAKEHEADU.CA>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:52:47 +0000

--------

Hi,



> Melisa, is this the Gail Sheehy who wrote Passages? I didn't realize she

> was other than a succesful author or a  biologist/scientist or in any

> way from a medicinal background. I do know she has done tremedous

> research on her other books. Does she quote a source for this particular

> information?



No. She had her own sources.



I cited her article, which did not show references like most medical

literature. The magazine, "The Natural Way," is directed toward the

whomever. & my personal feelings have obviously

reflected that she does good research, as that the sources and people

she contacted were substantial. That is the common denominator here.

However, there is obviously room for criticism, and I encourage it,

especially if somebody has something to say that conflicts with her

views. I'm all ears!!! I won't defend her.



Other than that, her research did not reflect the so called

'objective'  studies done with researcher and clinicians. Rather they

pointed to interviews with authorities that are shown, history that

is fact, the currant controversies which are not well represented,

and the known data available about DHEA. In my view, and I suggest

that others get their own, that her article summed up quite a few

views about DHEA that are substantial. Alltogehter, I did not even go

over the many things she discussed in my last submission.



Like any belief in science, it is more like a philosophy, who gets

what published, and much, much more. It can be rather savage,

radical, out-to-lunch, and I say that with some experience. So

seriously, I think Sheehy's contribution is quite nice.



Last but not least, I have no idea what Sheehy's credidential are.

This is the information age, and anybody can be a Ph.D. without the

paperwork to back it up.  The bottom line is that I will not

apologize for being deviant in this fashion. Call me an," Info

Outlaw," or a, "Cyberspace Junky."



Take care. ......   Melisa





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: Melisa Anne Guilbeault <maguilbe@ICE.LAKEHEADU.CA>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 06:05:08 +0000

--------

> I'd like you to explain point 4 further, as below statement is true (just picked

> up on alt.folklore.herbs):

> Pregnenolone must be taken as is no precursors will work.  The human body does

> not have the enzyme necessary to convert wild yam to preg or DHEA.  Sorry but

> herbals or plant precursors won't work.  Your body makes preg out of cholesterol

> but stress can reduce the enzymes needed to do this and you can become

> deficient.



I believe that I mentioned that dioscorea does take another metabolic

pathway, being able to eventually be converted into corticosteroids,

testosterone, estradiol (even androsterone although I don't know much

about that). At at any rate, perhaps if you read a little closer you

will realize that I agreed with you.



It's o.k. We all make mistakes.



> So, your sources? Just advertising materials? They are not to be trusted.

> Also, please read the entry on wild yam and contraception in the medicinal

> herbfaq.



My source was no advertizing material. Anyway, thankyou, and I will

look up the herbfaq. Sounds interesting!!!



-Melisa





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: "user Lena F. Bennett" <LenaFBenne@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 03:11:01 -0500

--------

Through, enlightening and entertaining to say the least.  Many thanks for

sharing your brainstorming with me.  Lena





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: Robert Thiel <gavilan@NBNET.NB.CA>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:17:27 -0400

--------

To take or not to take DHEA: this is no longer a problem here in Canada.

The government (or some similar creature) had it taken off all shelves

overnight a few weeks ago. The same was done with melatonin last year.



  *+*^*+*^*+*^*+*^*+*^*+*



    -+-  Bob Thiel  -+-

    Moncton, NB, Canada

    gavilan@nbnet.nb.ca

Translator: Spanish to English





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: MELISA ANNE GUILBEAULT <maguilbe@ICE.LAKEHEADU.CA>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:55:45 +0000

--------

Hi,



*Bob Thiel wrote:

---------------------



> To take or not to take DHEA: this is no longer a problem here in Canada.

> The government (or some similar creature) had it taken off all shelves

> overnight a few weeks ago. The same was done with melatonin last year.



I wasn't aware of that. Do you know if it can be ordered via credit

card, and through the postal service. For there are tons of people

selling it that way.



Curious.... Melisa:-)





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:30:24 -0500

--------

MELISA ANNE GUILBEAULT wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> *Bob Thiel wrote:

> ---------------------

>

> > To take or not to take DHEA: this is no longer a problem here in Canada.

> > The government (or some similar creature) had it taken off all shelves

> > overnight a few weeks ago. The same was done with melatonin last year.

>

> I wasn't aware of that. Do you know if it can be ordered via credit

> card, and through the postal service. For there are tons of people

> selling it that way.

>

> Curious.... Melisa:-)



yep but it gets stopped at the border by nasty, nasty customs officials

who confiscate the entire contents of your package.



if you know of someone up here who is doing things differently, put me

in contact please, because i want the majik formula!



                        Lee.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: Rafael Melendez <Graftonnd@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 21:41:19 -0500

--------

Could you please be more specific as to which enzyme which becomes depleted

by stress converts cholesterol to pregnenolone? Also, which other enzymes

suffer the same fate? Are delta-5-desaturase and delta-6-desaturase two of

them? Thank you.



Grafton





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: Marti Kaye <nilss@GETNET.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:49:38 -0700

--------

At 09:41 PM 3/10/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Could you please be more specific as to which enzyme which becomes depleted

>by stress converts cholesterol to pregnenolone? Also, which other enzymes

>suffer the same fate? Are delta-5-desaturase and delta-6-desaturase two of

>them? Thank you.

>

>Grafton

>

Would someone translate the above for me as I'm illiterate in this

particular area.  A friend recently started taking DHEA and I want to give

her any and all information which might be pertinent.



Thanks!!!!



Marti





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: Ronald Weigl <rweigl@GPU.SRV.UALBERTA.CA>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:05:26 -0700

--------

At 11:55  03/10/1997 +0000, you wrote:

>Hi,

>

>*Bob Thiel wrote:

>---------------------

>

>> To take or not to take DHEA: this is no longer a problem here in Canada.

>> The government (or some similar creature) had it taken off all shelves

>> overnight a few weeks ago. The same was done with melatonin last year.

>

>I wasn't aware of that. Do you know if it can be ordered via credit

>card, and through the postal service. For there are tons of people

>selling it that way.

>

>Curious.... Melisa:-)





DHEA has been classified in the same category as trafficking heroin or

cocaine.  If you are caught selling it in your store, you will be charged

and arrested.  This is not just a "fine of $1,000" and off you go again.  If

you order DHEA through the mail, it will be stopped at the border and

confiscated.



Melatonin, on the other hand, can be ordered through the mail for

PERSONAL-USE.   You are allowed 2 bottles per month.  Many products that

have been disallowed by the Health Protection Branch in Canada can be

purchased through mail-order.  Again you are allowed 2 bottles for

personal-use per month.



Sincerely,



Cathy Weigl, M.H.

Edmonton, Alberta





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: chinese herbs

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 16:03:05 UT

--------

Does anyone know of a source where I can byr Chinese herbs by bulk. Right now

I am looking specifically for chinese red sage root.   Thanks    J2030@msn.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chinese herbs

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 18:54:22 EST

--------

Frontier cooperative has a number of Chinese herbs and good prices.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 16:03:05 UT John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM> writes:

>Does anyone know of a source where I can byr Chinese herbs by bulk.

>Right now I am looking specifically for chinese red sage root.   Thanks



>J2030@msn.com

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Chinese herb

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 02:42:06 UT

--------

I posted a message the other day about chinese red sage root. I am having a

hard time finding this herb or much information about it. The botanical name

is Salvia miltiorrhiza and the chinese name is Dan Shen. If anyone knows where

I can but this herb in bulk please let me know. I plan on tincturing the herb

and mixing it with Hawthorne berry, flower, and leaf. I guess if I find the

root I'll use about 60 or 70% alcohol and if I can find the leaf using about

50% alcohol. A couple of people have been so kind to reply. Frontier doesn't

have it.  Thanks for any help. John     J2030@msn.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chinese herb

From: Risa Mornis <risa@SOVER.NET>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:47:05 -0500

--------

Salvia Seng, sliced (radix salvia miltiorrhizac) is listed in the wholesale

San Francisco Herb co. catalog- their address and ph #: 47444 Kato Rd.,

Fremont, CA 94538, 1-800-227-2830



No Commercial Interest







>I posted a message the other day about chinese red sage root. I am having a

>hard time finding this herb or much information about it. The botanical name

>is Salvia miltiorrhiza and the chinese name is Dan Shen. If anyone knows where

>I can but this herb in bulk please let me know. I plan on tincturing the herb

>and mixing it with Hawthorne berry, flower, and leaf. I guess if I find the

>root I'll use about 60 or 70% alcohol and if I can find the leaf using about

>50% alcohol. A couple of people have been so kind to reply. Frontier doesn't

>have it.  Thanks for any help. John     J2030@msn.com

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ECHINACEA

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:46:34 -0500

--------

A FEW QUESTIONS ANSWERED PLEASE: WHAT IS A SAFE AMOUNT OF ECHINACEA TO TAKE

DAILY? SHOULD YOU TAKE A BREAK? HOW ABOUT BEE POLLEN? (SAME INFO). ALSO DONG

QUAI? THANKS!!!





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ECHINACEA

From: "Monika J. Rash" <PurpleDawn@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:46:31 -0500

--------

<<A FEW QUESTIONS ANSWERED PLEASE: WHAT IS A SAFE AMOUNT OF

ECHINACEA TO TAKE

DAILY? SHOULD YOU TAKE A BREAK? HOW ABOUT BEE POLLEN? (SAME INFO). ALSO DONG

QUAI? THANKS!!!>>



I just started taking echinacea this week. My information as to usage comes

from http://www.drweil.com. Take 2 capsules 3x daily for 2 weeks and then

stop for 2 weeks.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ECHINACEA

From: "D. J. Haut" <chat97@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:42:31 PST

--------

The teas are great for what ales you, but it makes

some people sick to their stomach.



Jean







On Sun, 9 Mar 1997 23:46:34 -0500 MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM writes:

>A FEW QUESTIONS ANSWERED PLEASE: WHAT IS A SAFE AMOUNT OF ECHINACEA TO

>TAKE

>DAILY? SHOULD YOU TAKE A BREAK? HOW ABOUT BEE POLLEN? (SAME INFO).

>ALSO DONG

>QUAI? THANKS!!!

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: vaporizers and herbal preparations

From: Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod <ejanison@TWD.NET>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 01:00:58 -0500

--------

Can someone tell me out there what types of herbal preparations are

compatible with vaporizers?  Also, can you tell me what types/models of

vaporizers are suitable for use with herbal potions, etc?



Thanks,



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ulmus rubra/unequal censorship

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:30:21 -0500

--------

>> here for herbs not metadiscussions<<

I agree, so apply the rules to EVERYONE then.

RE: essiac formulations. How does one get the inner bark w/o damaging the

tree?

Also, have not been able to locate a grower of slippery elm saplings. Any

suggestions?  TIA. Luvlylin





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: credentials?

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:30:22 -0500

--------

I posted a query earlier but received no replies (to my knowledge); what is

everyones level of expertise? I know there is a biochemist  in this group but

what about the rest of the advice givers. I would feel safer knowing any

responses to questions were based on some level of measurable/ regulated

educational background and not just a personal opinion. This is not to slight

anyone but I am a newbie looking for help and herbal medicines are nothing to

be played around with.  I don't want to harm my family with inappropriate

phytochemicals, either.

Perhaps we could  just think of it as a way of getting to know each other

better.

Someone, please respond. :)        Luvlylin





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: "Patricia C. McMullen" <Redgato@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:32:38 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-10 04:39:29 EST, you write:



<< I posted a query earlier but received no replies (to my knowledge); what

is

 everyones level of expertise?  >>



Luvlylin,

There are over 500 hundered people who are on this herb list-- do you really

want a curriculum vitae from each one!?  :)  It is my guess that most are

here to learn.  There are some that are VERY knowledgable about herbs on this

list but that doesn't mean they have a PhD in "herbal medicine"!  Experience

IS the best teacher!  Read the messages posted here, double check the info if

you have doubts about anything, and soon you'll have a good idea about which

posts to trust.  I have found that formal education is not necessarily a good

"measuring stick" for knowledge.  Of course, it helps, but a person doesn't

have to have numerous degrees to be an expert in a field.  There are a lot of

methods for learning that don't present you with a string of letters after

your name!



Keep reading and you will learn a lot--Give yourself time to learn.  Buy some

good herb/medicinal plant books if you don't own any.  It's amazing how fast

your library will grow--it's somewhat addicting!  Anybody have an herbal cure

for that?  :)



Pat





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:10:46 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-10 04:39:28 EST, you write:



<< I posted a query earlier but received no replies (to my knowledge); what

is

 everyones level of expertise? I know there is a biochemist  in this group

but

 what about the rest of the advice givers. I would feel safer knowing any

 responses to questions were based on some level of measurable/ regulated

 educational background and not just a personal opinion. This is not to

slight

 anyone but I am a newbie looking for help and herbal medicines are nothing

to

 be played around with.  I don't want to harm my family with inappropriate

 phytochemicals, either.

 Luvlylin>>



------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------



If you hang out here long enough, you begin to know who knows what they are

talking about and who doesn't.



Just a word of caution, I don't believe it is the purpose of this list to

administer medical prescriptions. People (some professional) share of their

knowledge and even occasionally give advice; but it is up to each individual

to take that information and research it further to see if/how it is

applicable to their situation. And, if someone gives poor or inacurate

advice, it is usually countered immediately by the most knowledgeable

listmembers.



In addition, credentials are not always the alpha & omega of credibility,

competence, and knowledge. I've seen some real dimwits with letters after

their names and I've seen the reverse--many times!



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:23:26 PST

--------

--- On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 04:30:22 -0500  "User Linda C."

<LuvlyLin@aol.com> wrote:



>I posted a query earlier but received no replies (to my knowledge);

what is everyones level of expertise? I know there is a biochemist

in this group but.......

>what about the rest of the advice givers. I would feel safer knowing



-----------------End of Original Message-----------------

"Formal" education does not ensure that a person has any more

knowledge than the next and is not the way to measure the value of

advice given.  Pharmacists, nurses, chemists, and even ( or should I

say especially?)M.D.'s do not get training with regards to herbs in

their university degree programs.  If they have any knowledge, they

have gotten it the same way you can.  Read, read, read and listen to

those who know more than you via speakers, the internet, distance

classes, if possible with an internship with a healer.  If you really

listen on this discussion group, it doesn't take very long to pick up

on who "knows their stuff".  And if anyone posts anything that is

incorrect or potentially harmful, someone will be quick to point it

out. Just follow the discussion for a few days to get the whole of

the picture before reacting.

                                        KB

--------------------------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 3/10/97                 Time: 4:32:17 PM

--------------------------------------------------------







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:00:14 -0500

--------

User Linda C. wrote:

> 

> I posted a query earlier but received no replies (to my knowledge); what is

> everyones level of expertise? I know there is a biochemist  in this group but

> what about the rest of the advice givers. I would feel safer knowing any

> responses to questions were based on some level of measurable/ regulated

> educational background and not just a personal opinion. This is not to slight

> anyone but I am a newbie looking for help and herbal medicines are nothing to

> be played around with.  I don't want to harm my family with inappropriate

> phytochemicals, either.

> Perhaps we could  just think of it as a way of getting to know each other

> better.

> Someone, please respond. :)        Luvlylin





hi linda,



ok. here goes:



i've been a practicing herbalist  for 12 years.



specialist pediatrics, glycemia, (and coming up fast on the outside

track female disorders :>} - current research interest!)



my kids have been raised from conception onwards with herbs and a

*balanced* vegetarian diet



member of the herb reseach foundation for 4 yrs,

the quebec herbalists' guild



and currently a student in a six year proffessional herbalist course

at l'Academie du Phytotherapie du Canada, in Montral (with all the

governmental crackdowns around here felt the need to be able to back up

my aquired experience with something tangible - high marks!!!  really

helps the credibility to be able to say, "yes, aside from my clients; i

have 15 other known respectable herbalists (with 25 years clinical

practice) who can vouch for me."



am now knee deep in a new way of looking at plants, phytopharmacognosy

or otherwise plant chemistry (facinating, although i much prefer the

folkloric, *wise woman* approach)



as an afterthought, my personal herbal library is V-A-S-T:



my oldest (the reason i developped a passion for herbalism), Brook's

Family Herbal (1792)

the newest,

The German E Commission Monographs (as yet unpublished)



hope this helps,



any more questions? feel free by private e-mail, so as not to clog the

list.



keep well,



                                                Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@LARC.NASA.GOV>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 08:35:16 -0500

--------

>User Linda C. wrote:

>>

>> I posted a query earlier but received no replies (to my knowledge); what is

>> everyones level of expertise? I know there is a biochemist  in this

>>group but

>> what about the rest of the advice givers. I would feel safer knowing any

>> responses to questions were based on some level of measurable/ regulated

>> educational background and not just a personal opinion. This is not to

>>slight

>> anyone but I am a newbie looking for help and herbal medicines are

>>nothing to

>> be played around with.  I don't want to harm my family with inappropriate

>> phytochemicals, either.

>> Perhaps we could  just think of it as a way of getting to know each other

>> better.

>> Someone, please respond. :)        Luvlylin

>

>

>hi linda,

>

>ok. here goes:

>

>i've been a practicing herbalist  for 12 years.

>

>specialist pediatrics, glycemia, (and coming up fast on the outside

>track female disorders :>} - current research interest!)

>

>my kids have been raised from conception onwards with herbs and a

>*balanced* vegetarian diet

>

>member of the herb reseach foundation for 4 yrs,

>the quebec herbalists' guild

>

>and currently a student in a six year proffessional herbalist course

>at l'Academie du Phytotherapie du Canada, in Montral (with all the

>governmental crackdowns around here felt the need to be able to back up

>my aquired experience with something tangible - high marks!!!  really

>helps the credibility to be able to say, "yes, aside from my clients; i

>have 15 other known respectable herbalists (with 25 years clinical

>practice) who can vouch for me."

>

>am now knee deep in a new way of looking at plants, phytopharmacognosy

>or otherwise plant chemistry (facinating, although i much prefer the

>folkloric, *wise woman* approach)

>

>as an afterthought, my personal herbal library is V-A-S-T:

>

>my oldest (the reason i developped a passion for herbalism), Brook's

>Family Herbal (1792)

>the newest,

>The German E Commission Monographs (as yet unpublished)

>

>hope this helps,

>

>any more questions? feel free by private e-mail, so as not to clog the

>list.

>

>keep well,

>

>                                                Lee.



Hi Lee,

My name is Michelle, and I'm a novice herbalist. I read your credentials

very impressive. I know

you are a busy person so I will not make this long, I live in Hampton,

Virgina. This area is very

limited, there are no schools for Herbal training/courses in this area to

speak of. I want to know

how does one get started ? I have access to herbal books both near and far,

but I would like hands-on training. Thanks for your suggestions...



Blessings and Good Health.



P.S. I sent this question out to the list, but since you are studying

female disorders, I'd like to ask this. Do you know what types of herbs

would be good to use for a douche?  Recently, I had my

annual physical exam. My doctor informed me that I had a slight infection

(vaginal canal). She

explained that the good bacteria sometimes becomes overwhelming, due to my

diet, stress, etc.

I was wondering what herbs would be good for this?..... Thanks again for

your help.



Michelle





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: Tom Stewart <Taraxatom@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 00:07:48 -0500

--------

Credentials in what field of herbal medicine and accredited by whom? Your

question brings up a very good question. This is an area of great debate

among all levels of expertise within this profession. How is a homeopathic

doctor qualified? How is an herbalist qualified? How is a Traditional Chinese

doctor qualified? Although old knowledge, it's new in the U.S. Students of

herbology have been asking the very same question for the past 20 years. My

guess is that people with the most expertise in this field are self-taught

with a certain amount of contempt for orthodox thought, free-thinkers who

have ventured along their own course of study.

To ask such a question is certainly appropriate, but the answer is varied and

developing as we speak. Don't be surprised if herbalists are unsure of your

question.

   Tom





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 06:03:23 -0500

--------

>

> Credentials in what field of herbal medicine and accredited by whom? Your

> question brings up a very good question. This is an area of great debate



> guess is that people with the most expertise in this field are self-taught

> with a certain amount of contempt for orthodox thought, free-thinkers who

> have ventured along their own course of study.

> To ask such a question is certainly appropriate, but the answer is varied and

> developing as we speak. Don't be surprised if herbalists are unsure of your

> question.

>    Tom



You may also wish to privately e-mail those you are questioning. This

may be the best way. If every who joins this list asks this question it

would become overwhelming. Many of the people here do talk about

themselves. In the archives, you will find some of our answers. It will

take time but it is well worth it. I can feel your concern. No one is

perfect and even professional diagnoses are often wrong. If your

question comes from the heart you will get your answer.]



Susien





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:30:20 GMT

--------

> P.S. I sent this question out to the list, but since you are studying

> female disorders, I'd like to ask this. Do you know what types of herbs

> would be good to use for a douche?  Recently, I had my

> annual physical exam. My doctor informed me that I had a slight infection

> (vaginal canal). She

> explained that the good bacteria sometimes becomes overwhelming, due to my

> diet, stress, etc.

> I was wondering what herbs would be good for this?..... Thanks again for

> your help.



Forget douching and eliminate the causes of Heat in your life: coffee,

alcohol, cigarettes, lack of sleep, stress.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:49:33 -0500

--------

Thanks for the reply Pat but you stated what I already know. What I was

curious about was whether or not the PRIMARY ADVICE GIVER'S who  appear to be

naturopaths etc. are "degreed" from places like the British Institute of

Homeopathy because if they aren't they are playing russian roulette with

those of us who are less informed. If I wanted to "follow-up" with background

reading on all of the advice I see posted here I would have time to become an

expert myself.  I'm not trusting my health to someone who "thinks" they are

an expert because they read a few articles(I can do that myself). This is a

SCIENCE, not a hobby and as such it deserves the respect of having

knowledgable practitioners.

 Luvlylin





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 11:37:06 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-13 11:20:10 EST, you write:



<< Thanks for the reply Pat but you stated what I already know. What I was

 curious about was whether or not the PRIMARY ADVICE GIVER'S who  appear to

be

 naturopaths etc. are "degreed" from places like the British Institute of

 Homeopathy because if they aren't they are playing russian roulette with

 those of us who are less informed. If I wanted to "follow-up" with

background

 reading on all of the advice I see posted here I would have time to become

an

 expert myself.  I'm not trusting my health to someone who "thinks" they are

 an expert because they read a few articles(I can do that myself). This is a

 SCIENCE, not a hobby and as such it deserves the respect of having

 knowledgable practitioners. that is my opinion, anyway.

  Luvlylin >>



You certainly have very valid concerns, however:

I think you are expecting a lot of free advice from "experts," and perhaps

your concept of what this newsgroup is about is mistaken.  It is not a free

clinic staffed by people who must meet your criteria.  It is a discussion

group that helps point the way, so that you can help yourself.



This is an open forum.  Anyone who takes the advice without doing their own

research on it, whether Allopathic or Alternative, is the one playing Russian

roulette.

It's said, if you treat yourself you have a fool for a doctor, I say, if you

let someone treat you without knowing exactly what's going on, you are a

doctor's fool.  You might want to rethink placing your faith on just

credentials (which are very good guidelines, but just guidelines), and take

responsibility for the knowledge yourself.

If there is anything we should become expert on, it's the care of our own

bodies, and there is no escaping that responsibility without suffering grave

consequences.



I think you definitely are on the right tract in examining everything you

read, and right to protect your health.  We've all been there.

T.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:13:46 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-13 11:20:10 EST, you write:

<<

 Thanks for the reply Pat but you stated what I already know. What I was

 curious about was whether or not the PRIMARY ADVICE GIVER'S who  appear to

be

 naturopaths etc. are "degreed" from places like the British Institute of

 Homeopathy because if they aren't they are playing russian roulette with

 those of us who are less informed. If I wanted to "follow-up" with

background

 reading on all of the advice I see posted here I would have time to become

an

 expert myself.  I'm not trusting my health to someone who "thinks" they are

 an expert because they read a few articles(I can do that myself). This is a

 SCIENCE, not a hobby and as such it deserves the respect of having

 knowledgable practitioners. that is my opinion, anyway.

  Luvlyli >>

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------



I am sure everyone understands and sympathizes with your desire to have

information from a reliable source. However, if you do not have the time to

do some of your own reading and research, and you want only credentialed

adivce, I am afraid your only option is to pay for an appointment with a

degreed professional who will have his diploma displayed for all to see.



Most of us have a profound interest in learning from whoever is

knowledgeable. If we don't trust the advice for some reason, we must take the

responsibility to research the information and draw our own conclusions.



Most of us are interested in hearing what others have learned and sharing

what we have learned. We can then sort things out, determine sources and get

the input of the professionals who give of their time to share information

with us. They are usually a great sounding board for good vs.

mis-information.



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: credentials?

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:58:44 GMT

--------

> What I was

>  curious about was whether or not the PRIMARY ADVICE GIVER'S who  appear to

> be naturopaths etc. are "degreed" from places like the British Institute of

>  Homeopathy because if they aren't they are playing russian roulette with

>  those of us who are less informed.



What nonsense. Whoever has been filling your head with that hysteria and

paranoia have done their job well.



Healing is essentially a path. On that path, one MAY be credentialled,

degreed, nominated, awarded, whatever, or one may not. It doesn't really

matter in the final analysis. I have met many poor quality healers with

acupuncturist licenses...I have met great healers with no licence at all. And

even licenced healers make mistakes...MD's inherently make horrendous

mistakes all day long. So this is a great bugaboo that is nothing in fact but

a snark. The real issue is the danger of the MEANS. And most herbs are so

benign as to make the above sort of exaggerated statement truly bizarre.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: FRUIT, was Re(2): Cough (was Aching feet)

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:54:33 GMT

--------

> Paul,

>

>   I am curious about your response here.  Several other times I have seen

you

> tell others not to eat fruit.  Is this for all, for some ???   I would

> appreciate your reasons and some indications of what the benefits of a

> "fruitless" <g> life are.  TIA

>

>

> Bruce



Since I have four queries like this in my private email at the moment, let me

handle all four by simply recapping this issue (sorry for the boredom, all).



Fruit is Damp, Cooling, and Sweet, the three factors that most disrupt

Digestive balance. Obviously, all foods have these properties, but when an

entire class of foods has these three strongly present, that category of food

has a real capacity to cause harm if over-indulged. Daily eating of fruit is

for many, many people over-indulgence. ANY consumption of fruit by many

people is too much. It depends on the person, but MOST people are benefitted

by reducing fruit intake.



A bit more detail:



The Damp aspect, also obvious in sticky foods like bread and oily foods,

makes it difficult for the Digestion to separate the components of food. It

also directly weakens the 'Earthen banks' of the Digestion (the Digestion is

based on the Earth phase in Five Phases theory), making the Digestive tract

itself flabby and in poor tone.



The Cooling aspect, also found in physically cold foods, dairy, raw

vegetables, and certain seafoods, Cools and quenches the Digestive Fire,

making it hard to transform the food into Gu Qi (Food Qi). That has two

side-effects: one, the body cannot manufacture sufficient Blood and Qi due to

the insufficiency of Gu Qi; and two, the Digestive tract must handle

quantities of poorly-transformed food, causing various transportation and

elimination problems.



The Sweet aspect, ubiquitous in foods, albeit at a reduced level, has the

pronounced tendency to ease pain and to nourish Gu Qi directly, but it also

has a tendency to damage the appetite. Sweet foods 'ruin' meals.



The consumption of fruit with meals is a great error in behavior, though a

slice of orange with a Chinese banquet is hardly pertinent. Eating fruit

INSTEAD of a meal is foolish...you are setting yourself up for weak

Digestion. Fruit juice is something that should be eaten as an occasional

treat, if that. What will be noted is that the greater the vigor of your

lifestyle, the greater your toleration of fruit. That is, the more you

strengthen Earth through exercise and activity, the more of these imbalancing

foods you can handle. But no one should think that fruit is a mandatory part

of the diet: THAT IS AN AG BUSINESS LIE.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 63 yr Female - Adverse Reaction to Sugar

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 12:21:23 GMT

--------

> My mother, 63, has developed a condition in which even a small amount of

> sugar (like that contained in so many processed foods) causes a reaction

> consisting mainly of heart palpitations or arrythmia,



Depleted Digestion, producing depleted Heart Blood. Any stimulant drives the

Heart faster than the Blood can carry. Also probably associated with depleted

Kidney Yin Essence (aging due to stimulants/stress).



>which she finds

> frightening and unbearable.  It isn't that her pulse becomes rapid, but

> that it becomes noticeable and noticeably irregular to her.



Not rapid per se, because this isn't an Excess condition. The Heart Blood

deficiency already produces a soft, somewhat irregular pulse.



>She has

> consulted local MD's, who cannot relate the problem to food.



It is not directly due to food, but rather to depleted Digestion itself (a

longer term problem than a food reaction).



>They have had

> her wear a heart monitor twice, during which time she deliberately caused

> several "attacks".  The end prescription was a beta-blocker which does

> relieve the heart symptoms.  She has to keep increasing the dose to

> maintain effectiveness.



A major worry.



> Other symptoms I believe are pertinent include a long history of ringing in

> the ears,



Heat.



>hearing loss,



Kidney Essence depletion, usually.



>heat intolerance,



Heat.



>hair loss,



Kidney Essence depletion, Blood depletion.



> fatigue,



Kidney Essence depletion.



>nervous

> excitability,



Blood depletion.



>and an uncomfortable hunger if a meal is delayed even a half

> hour.



Stomach damage due to Heat and depletion.



> Although a lifetime coffee drinker, she has given it up.



Just in time, probably.



>No tea, tobacco,

> alcohol or drugs. She has been taking estrogen for years (prescribed

> automatically to prevent osteoporosis), but has recently stopped it in an

> attempt to alleviate her condition.



A foolish therapy.



>(One blood test showed elevated levels

> of thyroid hormone.



Heat.



>She was prescribed Tapazole and took it for a few

> weeks.  Her doctor would not accept the possibility that the estrogen might

> be the cause, despite what the Merck Manual says.  She discontinued the

> estrogen and tests since have showed normal thyroid levels. No other

> abnormalities were noted in numerous blood tests, including blood sugar

> levels.)  Her only prescription at the moment is the beta blocker.  I

> suggested she try honey to see if it produced the same reaction as sucrose

> and it definitely did.



Any stimulant will. NO fruit or fruit juice, or frozen desserts either.



> We are looking for clues as to exactly what might be causing these

> reactions, either in "western medical" or TCM terms.  She is open-minded

> about herbs, dietary changes, or anything that could alleviate her

> suffering. I am concerned that the frustration she feels about her

> condition is itself having a detrimental effect on her health.  I would

> appreciate any comments or suggestions.



She should eat a warm diet (cooked food, especially soups), avoiding all

fruit and fruit juice, sweets, stimulants, alcohol, and cigarettes. The diet

should consist of sufficient protein, and low-fat foods.



She should take afternoon naps as needed, and in general rest frequently. She

should retire earlier rather than later.



She should try peppermint tea, and see if it agrees with her.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: 63 yr Female - Adverse Reaction to Sugar

From: Chuck Hatcher <chatcher@RAMLINK.NET>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 09:10:53 -0500

--------

I am looking for theories (TCM or other holistic systems) that may explain

the following:



My mother, 63, has developed a condition in which even a small amount of

sugar (like that contained in so many processed foods) causes a reaction

consisting mainly of heart palpitations or arrythmia, which she finds

frightening and unbearable.  It isn't that her pulse becomes rapid, but

that it becomes noticeable and noticeably irregular to her.  She has

consulted local MD's, who cannot relate the problem to food.  They have had

her wear a heart monitor twice, during which time she deliberately caused

several "attacks".  The end prescription was a beta-blocker which does

relieve the heart symptoms.  She has to keep increasing the dose to

maintain effectiveness.  She is concerned (as am I) that the underlying

cause is not being addressed.  She would be willing to see an acupuncturist

if one was close (we are hours from the nearest large city).



Other symptoms I believe are pertinent include a long history of ringing in

the ears, hearing loss, heat intolerance, hair loss, fatigue, nervous

excitability, and an uncomfortable hunger if a meal is delayed even a half

hour.



Although a lifetime coffee drinker, she has given it up. No tea, tobacco,

alcohol or drugs. She has been taking estrogen for years (prescribed

automatically to prevent osteoporosis), but has recently stopped it in an

attempt to alleviate her condition. (One blood test showed elevated levels

of thyroid hormone.  She was prescribed Tapazole and took it for a few

weeks.  Her doctor would not accept the possibility that the estrogen might

be the cause, despite what the Merck Manual says.  She discontinued the

estrogen and tests since have showed normal thyroid levels. No other

abnormalities were noted in numerous blood tests, including blood sugar

levels.)  Her only prescription at the moment is the beta blocker.  I

suggested she try honey to see if it produced the same reaction as sucrose

and it definitely did.



We are looking for clues as to exactly what might be causing these

reactions, either in "western medical" or TCM terms.  She is open-minded

about herbs, dietary changes, or anything that could alleviate her

suffering. I am concerned that the frustration she feels about her

condition is itself having a detrimental effect on her health.  I would

appreciate any comments or suggestions.



-------

Chuck Hatcher

Ashland, Kentucky



     "you don't want to let a fact stand in the way of a good theory."

(Linus Pauling)





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 63 yr Female - Adverse Reaction to Sugar

From: Dina Kerr and Dick Kerr <dikerr@MINDLINK.BC.CA>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 08:50:35 -0800

--------

>I am looking for theories (TCM or other holistic systems) that may explain

>the following:

>

>My mother, 63, has developed a condition in which even a small amount of

>sugar (like that contained in so many processed foods) causes a reaction

>consisting mainly of heart palpitations or arrythmia, which she finds

>frightening and unbearable.  It isn't that her pulse becomes rapid, but

>that it becomes noticeable and noticeably irregular to her.  She has

>consulted local MD's, who cannot relate the problem to food.  They have had

>her wear a heart monitor twice, during which time she deliberately caused

>several "attacks".  The end prescription was a beta-blocker which does

>relieve the heart symptoms.  She has to keep increasing the dose to

>maintain effectiveness.  She is concerned (as am I) that the underlying

>cause is not being addressed.  She would be willing to see an acupuncturist

>if one was close (we are hours from the nearest large city).

>

>Other symptoms I believe are pertinent include a long history of ringing in

>the ears, hearing loss, heat intolerance, hair loss, fatigue, nervous

>excitability, and an uncomfortable hunger if a meal is delayed even a half

>hour.

>

>Although a lifetime coffee drinker, she has given it up. No tea, tobacco,

>alcohol or drugs. She has been taking estrogen for years (prescribed

>automatically to prevent osteoporosis), but has recently stopped it in an

>attempt to alleviate her condition. (One blood test showed elevated levels

>of thyroid hormone.  She was prescribed Tapazole and took it for a few

>weeks.  Her doctor would not accept the possibility that the estrogen might

>be the cause, despite what the Merck Manual says.  She discontinued the

>estrogen and tests since have showed normal thyroid levels. No other

>abnormalities were noted in numerous blood tests, including blood sugar

>levels.)  Her only prescription at the moment is the beta blocker.  I

>suggested she try honey to see if it produced the same reaction as sucrose

>and it definitely did.

>

>We are looking for clues as to exactly what might be causing these

>reactions, either in "western medical" or TCM terms.  She is open-minded

>about herbs, dietary changes, or anything that could alleviate her

>suffering. I am concerned that the frustration she feels about her

>condition is itself having a detrimental effect on her health.  I would

>appreciate any comments or suggestions.

>

>-------

>Chuck Hatcher

>Ashland, Kentucky

>

>     "you don't want to let a fact stand in the way of a good theory."

>(Linus Pauling)

>

>

>I am not an expert and I say this from my life experience.  Medical

consultant's secretary many years, and experience with Estrogen replacement.



Get her to stay off the Estrogen, it causes breast cancer.  There are new

drugs now for osteoporosis that are safer, they actually build bone mass.

Your mom has been on Estrogen too long, no one should take it more than 5

years.(actually, they shouldn't take it at all).  Get a doctor who listens,

and listen to the other replies from the people in this group, especially

Paul.  Another thing, she is taking heart drugs, has she been to a good

cardiologist, or is the GP prescribing what the drug detail men that inform

him says buy this buy this buy this.  Read CPS book on drugs or ask your

druggist to give you a copy of the details of EVERY drug they give her.

Look up the words if you have to in a good medical dictionary.   Also some

people react very BADLY to beta blockers and should NOT have them.  Look at

the connection between symptoms and when she started the beta blocker also.

You do this, doctors don't have time, they allow 5-10 minutes per visit,

what can you do in that time?  It took me that long to write this.  These

are just suggestions about the other symptoms you mentioned.  I am sure the

others on this group will have some good suggestions about the sugar

problem, which is the main thing you asked about. Good luck.  Dina

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 63 yr Female - Adverse Reaction to Sugar

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:26:11 -0900

--------

At 09:10 AM 3/10/97 -0500, Chuck Hatcher wrote:

>I am looking for theories (TCM or other holistic systems) that may explain

>the following:

>

>My mother, 63, has developed a condition in which even a small amount of

>sugar (like that contained in so many processed foods) causes a reaction

>consisting mainly of heart palpitations or arrythmia, which she finds

>frightening and unbearable.  It isn't that her pulse becomes rapid, but

>that it becomes noticeable and noticeably irregular to her.  She has

>consulted local MD's, who cannot relate the problem to food.  They have had

>her wear a heart monitor twice, during which time she deliberately caused

>several "attacks".

I have a real simple prescription for her. Just completely quit eating

sugar!!  Did anyone ever check her for hypoglycaemia?  The symptoms fit.

Hypoglycaemia can be controlled easily with diet. The longer she behaves

herself the better her metabolism will become.  I'm sure the problem goes

deeper but the low blood sugar symptoms can be dealt with.

Pick up a copy of "Hypoglycaemia, A Better Approach" by Paavo Airola.  It

will tell you what you need to know.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Preparation of Herbs

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@LARC.NASA.GOV>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 07:58:40 -0500

--------

Hello Everyone,

Does anyone know of a good "how to" herbal book on how to prepare

tinctures, capsules, etc. from

fresh herbs(right out of the garden). I will be planting herbs soon and I

will need a good

reference book or books to go by.



Thanks,

Blessings and Good Health,

Michelle





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs

From: "M. Pacord" <Mpacord@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:15:49 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-10 08:12:36 EST, you write:



<<

 Does anyone know of a good "how to" herbal book on how to prepare

 tinctures, capsules, etc. from

 fresh herbs(right out of the garden). I will be planting herbs soon and I

 will need a good

 reference book or books to go by. >>

You might try Michael Moore's website at the Southwestern School of Botanical

Medicine





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 20:09:22 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-10 19:25:01 EST, you write:



<< In a message dated 97-03-10 08:12:36 EST, you write:



 <<

  Does anyone know of a good "how to" herbal book on how to prepare

  tinctures, capsules, etc. from

  fresh herbs(right out of the garden). I will be planting herbs soon and I

  will need a good

  reference book or books to go by. >>

 You might try Michael Moore's website at the Southwestern School of

Botanical

 Medicine >>



One of the finest herbal books you can get that covers not only the above,

but which preparation to use when and how much, etc. in easy to read format,

is by Humbart Santillo, "Natural Healing with Herbs," Prescott Valley, AZ :

Hohm Press.   ISBN 0-0334252-08-4.  No pictures or glossy pages, but what

excellent info. based on  personal experience and research.  About $15.00.  I

have met this man and have been extremely impressed.  I also work with one of

his consultants, Deborah Lee, Ph.D., herbalist, international lecturer, and

nutritionist.

Hohm Press

Box 26403

Prescott Valley, Arizona 86312



Now if you want a nice fancy, glossy, well illustrated book with pictures on

how to make the preparations there is the new book "The Encyclopedia of

Medicinal Plants" by Andrew Chevallier (1996).  DK Publishing : 93 Madison

Ave., New York, NY 10016.   Of course it's $39.95, but gorgeous and worth

every cent!  ISBN 0-7894-0672



Well, that's just for starters-no commercial interest involved.

T.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:08:27 -0500

--------

Michelle I. Cook wrote:

>

> Hello Everyone,

> Does anyone know of a good "how to" herbal book on how to prepare

> tinctures, capsules, etc. from

> fresh herbs(right out of the garden). I will be planting herbs soon and I

> will need a good

> reference book or books to go by.

>

> Thanks,

> Blessings and Good Health,

> Michelle





hi michelle,



penelope oldy, the complete medicinal herbal

or johnathan lust, the herb book (in publications from this century,

:>}  at least - this is where i started. i now do creams, tinctures,

capsules, boluses etc.)

michael moores' homepage is also terriffic (read annexes to Materia

medica 5.0)



hope this helps,



                Lee.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:08:20 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-10 19:24:58 EST, you write:



<< You might try Michael Moore's website at the Southwestern School of

Botanical >>

As a newbie to herbal preps I found this text hard to follow. There are more

user friendly sources out there.  Luvlylin





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 10:49:31 -0500

--------

I have not found  a singularly good source but have found several different

books that each offer sections on herbal preperations. They are as follows:

Dian Dincin Buchman  HERBAL MEDICINE, Gramercy Press

RODALE'S ILLUSTRATED ENCYCLOPEDIA OF HERBS.,Rodale Press

READER'S DIGEST GALLERY OF MEDICINAL PLANTS.

Hope that helps. Luvlylin





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: cats

From: Donna Geibel <AIMEB@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 10:50:10 -0500

--------

my cat keeps on eating my herbs and other house plants.  i wanted to know if

anyone knew of herbs i could grow that is ok for the cat to eat.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cats

From: "digest (Stacey L. Knerr)" <K9Show@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:43:23 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-10 11:08:37 EST, you write:



<<  i wanted to know if

 anyone knew of herbs i could grow that is ok for the cat to eat >>



catnip is an obvious choice.  :-)  And my cat LOVES it fresh!



--Stacey





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cats

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:26:13 -0900

--------

At 10:50 AM 3/10/97 -0500, Donna Geibel wrote:

>my cat keeps on eating my herbs and other house plants.  i wanted to know if

>anyone knew of herbs i could grow that is ok for the cat to eat.

>

>

CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP!

CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP! CATNIP!





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cats

From: John Hargrove <hhbotan@ALPHA.SHIANET.ORG>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 02:23:35 -0500

--------

>my cat keeps on eating my herbs and other house plants.  i wanted to know if

>anyone knew of herbs i could grow that is ok for the cat to eat.



Anthoxanthum odoratum (Sweet Vernal Grass) is always a great choice.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Winter.  It is natures way of telling us that we do not belong here--so die.

                                        - Garrison Keillor

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

John & Lea Ann Hargrove  --  H&H Botanicals

(for Catalogs and Information - http://www.tir.com/~hhbotan/welcome.html)





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cats

From: Helly Simons <gx50@DIAL.PIPEX.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 08:10:52 -0000

--------

Dear All, my Cat Thomas also eats a lot of plants, he is prone to fur

balls, and has a recurring irritable bowel, due to a hard life before being

rescued.I have a herb patch of Pasley, garlic, and Pineapple mint.He can

then help himself to his treatment whenever needed, and his fur balls are

expelled easily.(he is a long haired cat)

Kindest Regards Helly Simons(Knowledge Practitioner)

Web Site and useful information etc

on                http://www.globalnet.co.uk/~helly

or                 http://dspace.dial.pipex.com/town/plaza/gx50

Personal Email Advice     helly@globalnet.co.uk

or                                     helly@dial.pipex.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cats

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:21:30 -0500

--------

Donna Geibel wrote:

>

> my cat keeps on eating my herbs and other house plants.  i wanted to know if

> anyone knew of herbs i could grow that is ok for the cat to eat.





hi donna,



grass, the lawn variety - not pot :>}. it actually stimulates their

digestive enzymes



or catnip (also a VERY useful medicinal herb).



by the way, from a friend who has two, if you companion plant Rue (ruta

graveolens) they won't go near them again.



personally, i just sprinkle crushed eggshells on the soil.



now can anyone tell me how i can stop mine from pulling my kleenex one

by one from the box and shredding them along with my toilette paper? :>}

(response private e-mail please, i don't want to be unsubbed!!!)



                                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Accupressure Magnetic Bracelets etc

From: Laurie Stewart <LStew25655@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 11:41:24 -0500

--------

Has anybody had good experiences of either of the above.? I am doing some

writing on the subjects. Please write in detail if possible. Snail address

would be appreciated but not essential! Thanks.



Laurie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lemon craving

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:31:26 -0500

--------

Lately I have been craving lemon and lime juice.  Mostly lemon.  I can't get

enough of it.  It has to be fresh and I can easily drink the juice of three

lemons with no sweetening at all.  Is something going haywire?

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dengue Fever

From: R S Nichols <WhoMeMoi@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 15:36:04 -0500

--------

The following excepts on dengue are taken from information sent around to UN

staff members serving on mission in Haiti  (note also that it is spreading

from Mexico into Texas now):



First clinical report of dengue (breakbone fever), Benjamin Rush 1780,

colonial Philadelphia.



Frequent epidemics in Americas, Europe, Asia and Australia.



Etiologic agent of dengue is virus whose closest cousins include yellow fever

virus, St. Louis encephalitis virus, West Nile fever virus and Japanese

encephalitis virus.  There are for distinct varieties, each of which causes

an identical syndrome.



..transmitted by bite of Aedes aegypti mosquito [ active in day time

]...abundant around human habitations.



...replicates in cells of immune system and causes cell lysis as well as the

release of powerful hormone-like mediators though to be responsible for the

clinical symptoms.  Infection with one type of dengue virus affords solid

immunity to that type but there is no immunity against the other types; in

fact, it makes things worse.  ...individuals who have already had dengue in

the past are more likely to have a worse clinical course...



...A severe form of dengue, called dengue hemorrhagic fever, and its

life-threatening subset, dengue shock syndrome, are observed exclusively in

individuals who have had dengue in the past.



..period from infection to beginning of symptoms ..2 to 7 days..abrupt onset

of fever, severe malaise, headache, lumbosacral pain, muscle and joint aches.

 A particularly severe and characteristic pain behind the eyes is

experienced, which is worsened by eye movement.  Patients frequently complain

of a sense of altered taste and no appetite, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, cold

symptoms and cutaneous hypersensitivity.  The syndrome is associated with a

diffuse red rash which may not always be seen and high spiking fevers which

occasionally may remit for 12 to 14 hours and then recur.  A relative slow

pulse and mild low blood pressure can be observed.  Laboratory abnormalities

include a low white cell count and low platelet count.



"The disease remits in the second week but convalescence may be prolonged

with generalized weakness and depression lasting several weeks. ..."



"There is no specific antiviral therapy for dengue or its complications.

 Treatment of uncomplicated dengue is symptomatic.  Aspirin and related drugs

should be avoided because of potential bleeding problems.  The use of

acetaminophen is fine.  Permethrin-treated mosquito nets should surround the

hospital beds of dengue patients as they can be a reservoir for further

spread to other patients and personnel in the hospital via mosquitoes...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gas/Diarreah

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:11:29 GMT

--------

> I periodically experience cramping, gas and or diarreah due to irritable

> bowel syndrome. Any suggestions as to what herbs may be beneficial in

> reducing or eliminating this problem?? TIA  Deidre



Stop eating cold foods.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Gas/Diarreah

From: Deidre Snow <WEATHERWOMAN@WEBTV.NET>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:00:43 -0500

--------

I periodically experience cramping, gas and or diarreah due to irritable

bowel syndrome. Any suggestions as to what herbs may be beneficial in

reducing or eliminating this problem?? TIA  Deidre





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gas/Diarreah

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:48:49 PST

--------

--- On Mon, 10 Mar 1997 19:00:43 -0500  Deidre Snow

<WEATHERWOMAN@WEBTV.NET> wrote:



>I periodically experience cramping, gas and or diarreah due to

irritable

>bowel syndrome. Any suggestions as to what herbs may be beneficial

in

>reducing or eliminating this problem?? TIA  Deidre

-----------------End of Original Message-----------------



Wild Yam will relieve the cramping. It is anti-inflammatory, anti-spasmodic,

and stimulates bile release.   Ginger tea will help if the cramping causes

nausea.



Access your diet.  Folks with this condition alwalys have food intolerances

and bad eating habits(or had in the past) - usually meat/high fat, low fiber

diets with lots of dairy.  It is a completely man-made illness.



Stress will make the "attacks" more frequent and more severe.

Chamomile/catnip/skullcap tea (infusion) will help when

anxious/nervous/stressed.



Eat plenty of fiber such as flax seed between "attacks".

                                        KB

--------------------------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 3/11/97                 Time: 6:48:49 PM

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cold now in head was aching feet

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:11:35 GMT

--------

> I want to make some

> broth with Chinese herbs given to me by a Chinese cook a year ago. They

> are Astragulus, Schizandra, Ligustrum, Codonopsis, Atractylodes and

> Lychii berries. Will they still be good? I have kept them sealed and

> does anyone know how long I should simmer them?



Don't take it now, but they should be fine. None of those herbs have a short

shelf-life.



Simmer them in a covered container for an hour. Strain. You can cook them at

least twice.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: cold now in head was aching feet

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 17:58:11 -0500

--------

My cold is now in my head. My sore throat and laryngitis are gone. I

must say it is the easiest cold I've ever had (so far). I have the

sniffles, and I am sneezing but it is tolerable. In the past my nose

would run like a faucet on full blast. My question. I want to make some

broth with Chinese herbs given to me by a Chinese cook a year ago. They

are Astragulus, Schizandra, Ligustrum, Codonopsis, Atractylodes and

Lychii berries. Will they still be good? I have kept them sealed and

does anyone know how long I should simmer them?



TIA Susien





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 9 Mar 1997 to 10 Mar 1997

From: rob <rys@UCLA.EDU>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 16:49:43 -0800

--------

At 12:01 AM 3/11/97 +0200, you wrote:

>Date:    Mon, 10 Mar 1997 02:42:06 UT

>From:    John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

>Subject: Chinese herb

>

>I posted a message the other day about chinese red sage root. I am having a

>hard time finding this herb or much information about it. The botanical name

>is Salvia miltiorrhiza and the chinese name is Dan Shen. If anyone knows where

>I can but this herb in bulk please let me know. I plan on tincturing the herb

>and mixing it with Hawthorne berry, flower, and leaf. I guess if I find the

>root I'll use about 60 or 70% alcohol and if I can find the leaf using about

>50% alcohol. A couple of people have been so kind to reply. Frontier doesn't

>have it.  Thanks for any help. John     J2030@msn.com



John-

        If you want me to send you some references on this herb, let me

know. Also, Chinatown is the place to look for it, but be sure you know what

it does and more importantly *WHY* you are using it. Good healing practices

mean having a competnet diagnosis of both the condition you want to treat

and the various factors which come under the heading of "Lifestyle." Shotgun

approaches like "it helps cholesterol" etc. more often make the condition

worse than better...I see this all the time.



take care!



rob

rys@ucla.edu

rob

rys@ucla.edu





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Facial Neuralgia

From: Tom Stewart <Taraxatom@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:13:16 -0500

--------

Symptoms include numbness of the right side of the face feels like face is

drooping, a heaviness of the eyeball, feels like a lead ball, constant ache.

May be connected to a childhood accident 28 years ago, with a baseball bat to

the eye, was black and blue for months. The symptom are recent, starting

about 3 years ago.

   Tom





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Facial Neuralgia

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 10 Mar 1997 22:19:33 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-10 22:17:03 EST, you write:



<< Symptoms include numbness of the right side of the face feels like face is

 drooping, a heaviness of the eyeball, feels like a lead ball, constant ache.

 May be connected to a childhood accident 28 years ago, with a baseball bat

to

 the eye, was black and blue for months. The symptom are recent, starting

 about 3 years ago.

    Tom

  >>

You might want to do a little research on Bell's palsy.

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Facial Neuralgia

From: "Sandow, Kay" <KSANDOW@HQ.ROW.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 09:14:00 -0500

--------

Have you been checked for stroke?  Transient Ischemic Attacks (TIA),  Do you

have high blood pressure?



Kay Sandow

 ----------

From: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

To: HERB

Subject: Facial Neuralgia

Date: Monday, March 10, 1997 10:10PM



Symptoms include numbness of the right side of the face feels like face is

drooping, a heaviness of the eyeball, feels like a lead ball, constant ache.

May be connected to a childhood accident 28 years ago, with a baseball bat

to

the eye, was black and blue for months. The symptom are recent, starting

about 3 years ago.

   Tom





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: To Ladys Only!!

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@LARC.NASA.GOV>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 10:14:47 -0500

--------

Dear Lady Herbalists,

Many moons ago I approached this list concerning douches. I received mail

from a dear lady who

gave me the receipt for an herbal douche. Needless to say, I lost it before

I could gather the

herbs to try it. Please, does anyone know of what good herbs can be used to

douching. I don't

douche often, but once in a while I would like a refreshing cleansed

feeling. I would also like to

know what to use if there is a little odor there? Thanks for your help.......



Blessings and Good Health,

Michelle





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: To Ladys Only!!

From: Penny Harris <ONECENT36@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 12:06:54 -0500

--------

Dear Michelle,

          I have a book called the" how to herb book" It has 10 different

douches in it

the basic Vinegar is very good''''''''''''''1-2Tb. White or apple cider

vinegar

                                                      1 Quart water(this is

good to follow with an

Acidolphilus douche)

Acidolphilus----Open 2-4 capsules to 1 Quart water. Or you may use watered

down

yogurt!!!!!!!!!!

here are of course others Baking soda/honey

Cayenne

Cayenne/Vinegar

Chlorophyll

Comfrey

Garlic

Mineral water------1/4to1/3cup mineral water to 1 quart water





Hope this is helpful to your health

onecent36





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: To Ladys Only!!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 18:43:51 GMT

--------

>                                                       1 Quart water(this is

> good to follow with an

> Acidolphilus douche)

> Acidolphilus----Open 2-4 capsules to 1 Quart water. Or you may use watered

> down

> yogurt!!!!!!!!!!



This is an odd procedure, especially given that L. acidophilus is not the

most common or most pertinent bacteria in the vaginal tract, as I understand

it (last I heard, L. bifidus was the main bacteria there).



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: To Ladys Only!!

From: "Jill F. Becker" <jbecker@OCEANUS.MITRE.ORG>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:52:48 EST

--------

> >                                                       1 Quart water(this is

> > good to follow with an

> > Acidolphilus douche)

> > Acidolphilus----Open 2-4 capsules to 1 Quart water. Or you may use watered

> > down

> > yogurt!!!!!!!!!!

>

> This is an odd procedure, especially given that L. acidophilus is not the

> most common or most pertinent bacteria in the vaginal tract, as I understand

> it (last I heard, L. bifidus was the main bacteria there).

>

> Paul



An OBGYN nurse suggested the plain yogurt trick to me many years ago,

in fact, she recommended direct application of a 'smudge' of plain

yogurt (gross as that sounds...). But hey, it's always worked for me.



Jill





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: To Ladys Only!!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:07:47 GMT

--------

> > This is an odd procedure, especially given that L. acidophilus is not the

> > most common or most pertinent bacteria in the vaginal tract, as I

understand

> > it (last I heard, L. bifidus was the main bacteria there).

> >

> > Paul

>

> An OBGYN nurse suggested the plain yogurt trick to me many years ago,

> in fact, she recommended direct application of a 'smudge' of plain

> yogurt (gross as that sounds...). But hey, it's always worked for me.

>

> Jill



Yeah, but the point is that this could be merely a treatment with lactic

acid! Especially as commercial yoghurt, as a generic item, is often nearly

bereft of bacteria.



If you really want to douche with bacteria, use L. bifidus. A secondary issue

here is that the colonic bacteria is mostly bifidus, and having a strong

bifidus culture at vagina AND at anus will help prevent transmitted infection

from one to the other.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: To Ladys Only!!

From: Becky Byla <byla@CALSHP.CALS.WISC.EDU>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:29:07 CST

--------

In Message Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:52:48 EST,

  "Jill F. Becker" <jbecker@OCEANUS.MITRE.ORG> writes:



>> >                                                       1 Quart water(this is

>> > good to follow with an

>> > Acidolphilus douche)

>> > Acidolphilus----Open 2-4 capsules to 1 Quart water. Or you may use watered

>> > down

>> > yogurt!!!!!!!!!!

>>

>> This is an odd procedure, especially given that L. acidophilus is not the

>> most common or most pertinent bacteria in the vaginal tract, as I understand

>> it (last I heard, L. bifidus was the main bacteria there).

>>

>> Paul

>

>An OBGYN nurse suggested the plain yogurt trick to me many years ago,

>in fact, she recommended direct application of a 'smudge' of plain

>yogurt (gross as that sounds...). But hey, it's always worked for me.

>

>Jill



Acidophilus and Lactobacilus (in yogurt), are both benevolent sugar eaters that

succesfully outcompete yeasts and other less benevolent types of

bacteria that reside in the vagina. You are in essence innoculating

a huge number of the friendly ones to prevent or seriously impare

the others' growth.

Becky





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: To Ladys Only!!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:59:18 GMT

--------

> Acidophilus and Lactobacilus (in yogurt), are both benevolent sugar eaters

that

> succesfully outcompete yeasts and other less benevolent types of

> bacteria that reside in the vagina. You are in essence innoculating

> a huge number of the friendly ones to prevent or seriously impare

> the others' growth.

> Becky



Oops, it's Lactobacillus acidophilus vs. Lactobacillus bifidis. No both to

it.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Chronic stuffy nose

From: John A <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 17:50:03 +0000

--------

I have had this chronic condition all my life (stuffy nose) with bouts

of sinus

infection usually 2-3 times/yr

Sometimes I use antibiotics to get rid of the infection quickly but most

of the time I allow my body to kill it off.



I use sudephedrine as a decongestant...about 120 mg. twice a day.



I asked a gen. practitioner if that was bad for me, thinking about my

kidneys and liver and he did not really answer me.



Why are med. doctors so wishy washy?



I eat a lot of cheese and eggs and a bit of 1% milk.

I am hearing so much against dairy products here that I am wondering if

this may be part of my problem.

I eat only chicken and turkey and fish. No beef or pork.



And fruit...is it really bad to eat a banana a day?



I have found that the more I learn the less I really know about all of

this health stuff.



How does one know when one is being told the truth?



sincerely,

John A





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: chinese herbs (was cold)

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 14:09:28 -0500

--------

Susien wrote

> > I want to make some

> > broth with Chinese herbs given to me by a Chinese cook a year ago. They

> > are Astragulus, Schizandra, Ligustrum, Codonopsis, Atractylodes and

> > Lychii berries. Will they still be good? I have kept them sealed and

> > does anyone know how long I should simmer them?

Paul wrote

> Don't take it now, but they should be fine. None of those herbs have a short

> shelf-life.

Susien writes

Do you mean take them for some other reason or as a tonic or just for a

meal?

Paul wrote

> Simmer them in a covered container for an hour. Strain. You can cook them at

> least twice.

Susien writes

Do you mean strain off the broth and use the herbs again?

TIA Susien





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs-a question

From: Lynn Whitney <LynnW1@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:11:01 -0500

--------

Hi,

Does anyone have Michael Moore's home page address?

                                 Thanks,

                                            Lynn





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs-a question

From: Tami King <tking@CO.SAN-BERNARDINO.CA.US>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 16:20:04 -0800

--------

Lynn Whitney wrote:

>

> Hi,

> Does anyone have Michael Moore's home page address?

>                                  Thanks,

>                                             Lynn



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html





Tami :)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs-a question

From: Robyn Harris <Aria66@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:25:21 -0500

--------

New to this mailing list.  I have a question.  Who is Michael Moore?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs-a question

From: Robyn Harris <Aria66@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:04:43 -0500

--------

Could you give me some titles?  I am always looking for new material to read.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs-a question

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:26:35 GMT

--------

On Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:04:43 -0500, Robyn Harris <Aria66@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Could you give me some titles?  I am always looking for new material to read.



Check the Medicinal herbfaq (http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediherb.html), or

Jonno's page (http://www.teleport.com/~jonno), or do a websearch...



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Preparation of Herbs-a question

From: "Kathryn M. Bensinger" <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 18:38:13 PST

--------

A VERY highly respected herbalist/ teacher/author.  See

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/

                                        KB

--------------------------------------------------------

E-mail: kbensin@mail.state.tn.us

Date: 3/11/97                 Time: 6:38:13 PM

--------------------------------------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: inquiry

From: Jack Forbush <chirho@IME.NET>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 19:35:43 -0500

--------

        Being a "newbie" to herbal medicine, I pose a question to the experts.  A

classmate who is also studying herbal medicine is inquiring about

remedies/tinctures for post-chemotherapy.  Apparently he has a relative who

will be undergoing chemo for colonic cancer and well...both of us would

appreciate input.



thanks a heap



Jack

___________________________________



Jack Forbush RN, CCRN, CEN

E-mail: chirho@ime.net

http://www.angelfire.com/me/chirho (under construction)

"Let the doors swing ope to the house of faith, every tribe and nation,

every tongue and race.  Under Jesus' banner, let us all embrace.  There can

be no labes in the house of faith."             Geoff Moore and the Distance





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Saw Palmetto

From: Hart Hill <greengenes@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 11 Mar 1997 20:00:25 EST

--------

What is the best way to use saw palmetto for enlatged prostate?

I have berries. What do I do with them?  Do you just take it straight,

brewed in a tea or what?

_________________

--Hart Hill ,

HHill5280@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:32:26 -0500

--------

Hart Hill wrote:

>

> What is the best way to use saw palmetto for enlatged prostate?

> I have berries. What do I do with them?  Do you just take it straight,

> brewed in a tea or what?

> _________________

> --Hart Hill ,

> HHill5280@aol.com





brew it in a tea. use 1 or two grams of fruit daily.

for people using the standardised extract this equals 160mg twice daily.

no dangerous secondary effects, however nausea, constipation & diaharea

reported in 5% of cases studied.

results should be noticed within 90 days

 also take ginseng & and DR Schussler's silice #12.



there was an interesting article in Herbalgram (the review of Herb

Reserch Foundation & American Botanical Council) recently.



(No financial interest)



curiousity: are you bald and how's your libido?



good luck,

let me know how it goes,



                                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto

From: David Campano <davecam@PRGONE.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 05:18:46 -0500

--------

At 04:32 PM 3/12/97 -0500, you wrote:



>curiousity: are you bald and how's your libido?

>

>good luck,

>let me know how it goes,

>

>                                        Lee.

Hi Lee..does saw palmetto work on baldness? Thanks for your reply...Dave

Campano(davecam@prgone.com)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:42:38 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-13 03:01:22 EST, you write:



<< > What is the best way to use saw palmetto for enlatged prostate?

 > I have berries. What do I do with them?  Do you just take it straight,

 > brewed in a tea or what?

 > _________________

 > --Hart Hill ,

 > HHill5280@aol.com





>> brew it in a tea. use 1 or two grams of fruit daily. >>



Well, let me tell you.  When I tried it that way it tasted like soap and was

really nasty!  But I will say it had the most gorgeous red color, sort of

cranberry red.  Nasty though.  So you don't find it as effective any other

way?

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: turmeric

From: "Joseph Zacker, Ph.D." <JoeZ6@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 07:42:29 -0500

--------

Most references to healthful properties of turmeric refer specifically to the

root as a source of the potent curcuma longa.



What about turmeric leaves?  Are they healthful?  harmful?  im-potent?



Joe Zacker, Ph.D.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Puffy eyes

From: becky byla <byla@CALSHP.CALS.WISC.EDU>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 09:46:46 -0600

--------

Anybody out there have any suggestions on how to get rid of

puffy under-eye area?

Thanks in advance!

Becky





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: FAQ Suggestion

From: Mickie Erickson <Mickie@DECISIONSYS.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 11:49:00 CST

--------

We get so many people asking Paul to explain the rational behind his

don't-drink-coffee, don't-eat-fruit-or-drink-fruit-juice ect.  Would it

be possible to put it in the FAQ?



Just a thought.



Mickie





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Video on acupuncture

From: Susan Mende & Lawrence Aylward <smende@PACIFIC.NET.SG>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 21:02:07 -0000

--------

Does anyone know of a good video that sets out the basic principles of TCM

and/or acupuncture for non-professionals?  Would appreciate any advice.

Thank you.  Susan Mende

smende@pacific.net.sg





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: phytophamacognosy

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:43:09 -0500

--------

>

> Hardly. Simon Mills' The Essential Book of Herbal Medicine (Penguin) has been

> out for several years.

>

> Paul





paul,

can you get me an ISBN please?

                                        Lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: phytophamacognosy

From: linda/richard <kyote@WOLFENET.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 07:38:54 -0800

--------

At 04:43 PM 3/12/97 -0500, you wrote:

>>

>>

>paul,

>can you get me an ISBN please?

>                                        Lee.

>

isbn=0-14-019309-x



richard





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: phytophamacognosy

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 16:16:37 GMT

--------

On Wed, 12 Mar 1997 16:43:09 -0500, lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>> Hardly. Simon Mills' The Essential Book of Herbal Medicine (Penguin) has been

>> out for several years.

>

>paul,

>can you get me an ISBN please?



Simon Mill's 'The Essential Book of Herbal Medicine' (published by Penguin), was

also published as 'Out of the Earth' (by Viking Arkana). 

It is not a book on pharmacognosy. It is a book on herbal medicine with a bit

more chemistry thrown in than is usual for these books. It's reliable, and

somewhat beyond beginner level.

ISBN for the Penguin edition: 0-14-019309-X. Listprice 15.95 USD.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: phytophamacognosy

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:09:20 GMT

--------

> > Hardly. Simon Mills' The Essential Book of Herbal Medicine (Penguin) has

been

> > out for several years.

> >

> > Paul

>

>

> paul,

> can you get me an ISBN please?

>                                         Lee.



Well, it isn't a pharmacognosy...it deals with herb chemistry, which I took

to be the intent of the original author's words (I was wrong, I guess).



ISBN 0-14-019309-X



Good book.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: coffee was bad

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 17:52:14 -0500

--------

I haven't had coffee now for a week. Without thinking this morning, I

was with a friend and we had coffee together. Was I humming! It has worn

off, but one thing that has been with me all day is a constant sniff,

and I don't have a runny nose. I used to do this all the time. I hadn't

even realized I had stopped after quitting the coffee. Back to the

peppermint tea. To tell the truth, I didn't really enjoy it. Just the

company.



One other thing I have noticed is my desire for something sweet. I crave

very few sugary things. I'll eat a cookie if someone gives me one, but I

usually don't desire them. The only fruit I like is good sweet

strawberries once or twice during the season with shortcake (not alone)

or about once a year green grapes by themselves. I don't like fruit if

it is not with a starch or grain. But I usually put fruit in my morning

grains, and I have stopped. About 3pm I want a sweet carbohydrate. Is

there anything I should do or just let it pass? The tea helps a little.

It doesn't last long. Actually today this craving was stronger. Was it

the coffee?

TIA S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: coffee was bad

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:09:12 GMT

--------

> About 3pm I want a sweet carbohydrate. Is

> there anything I should do or just let it pass?



It is OK to have a mild sweet at that hour, with a cup of herb tea. The Yin

can be nourished mildly by that practice. A nap is preferable, but not

necessarily possible.



>The tea helps a little.

> It doesn't last long. Actually today this craving was stronger. Was it

> the coffee?

> TIA S.



Yep. Stimulants deplete the Yin, and make such 'Kidney' (late afternoon)

cravings stronger.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: coffee was bad

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 21:37:06 -0900

--------

At 05:52 PM 3/12/97 -0500, Susien wrote:

>I haven't had coffee now for a week. Without thinking this morning, I

>was with a friend and we had coffee together. Was I humming! It has worn

>off, but one thing that has been with me all day is a constant sniff,

>and I don't have a runny nose. I used to do this all the time. I hadn't

>even realized I had stopped after quitting the coffee. Back to the

>peppermint tea. To tell the truth, I didn't really enjoy it. Just the

>company.

>

>One other thing I have noticed is my desire for something sweet. I crave

>very few sugary things. I'll eat a cookie if someone gives me one, but I

>usually don't desire them. The only fruit I like is good sweet

>strawberries once or twice during the season with shortcake (not alone)

>or about once a year green grapes by themselves. I don't like fruit if

>it is not with a starch or grain. But I usually put fruit in my morning

>grains, and I have stopped. About 3pm I want a sweet carbohydrate. Is

>there anything I should do or just let it pass? The tea helps a little.

>It doesn't last long. Actually today this craving was stronger. Was it

>the coffee?

>TIA S.

>

>

Let it pass. Don't succumb to the sugar craving.  It might help to take

chromium and magnesium.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Second surgery for herniated disk

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:35:45 EST

--------

Does anyone have information on the advisability of repeat sugery for

herniated disks?



My 67 year old mother has had severe sciatica for 9 months.  During that

time she treated it with accupuncture (by MD, not D.Acc), chiropractic

and massage, a St. Johnswort/nervine formula with herbal liver support

and exercise.  She was ultimately treated with injectable corticosteroids

after a CAT scan showed a herniated disk at the 4th lumbar vertabra.  The

steroids reduced pain, but the last treatment before surgery left her

with pins and needles and numbness in her legs and arms.



Surgery on 2/14 resolved her pain, but the numbness and tingling

continued.  She was finally sent back for a high-contrast MRI, which

indicated that the disk was again herniated, possibly to a greater extent

than previously.  The doctor says that she must decide within 2 weeks

whether to have a second operation, before the scar tissue hardens from

the original surgery.



She is unable to get a second opinion in her town because the only other

orthopedic surgeon refuses to give second opinions.  She will be in

Tuscon, AZ  next week and would appreciate the name of any specialists

who might be able to give her a second opinion.



Information on the prognosis of second surgeries and on complementary

care would be greatly appreciated.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: Paracelsus@teleport.com

Subject: Second surgery for herniated disk

From: creationsgarden@juno.com (Karen Vaughan)

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 22:35:45 EST

--------

Does anyone have information on the advisability of repeat sugery for

herniated disks?



My 67 year old mother has had severe sciatica for 9 months.  During that

time she treated it with accupuncture (by MD, not D.Acc), chiropractic

and massage, a St. Johnswort/nervine formula with herbal liver support

and exercise.  She was ultimately treated with injectable corticosteroids

after a CAT scan showed a herniated disk at the 4th lumbar vertabra.  The

steroids reduced pain, but the last treatment before surgery left her

with pins and needles and numbness in her legs and arms.



Surgery on 2/14 resolved her pain, but the numbness and tingling

continued.  She was finally sent back for a high-contrast MRI, which

indicated that the disk was again herniated, possibly to a greater extent

than previously.  The doctor says that she must decide within 2 weeks

whether to have a second operation, before the scar tissue hardens from

the original surgery.  



She is unable to get a second opinion in her town because the only other

orthopedic surgeon refuses to give second opinions.  She will be in

Tuscon, AZ  next week and would appreciate the name of any specialists

who might be able to give her a second opinion.



Information on the prognosis of second surgeries and on complementary

care would be greatly appreciated.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Second surgery for herniated disk

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:08:08 GMT

--------

> My 67 year old mother has had severe sciatica for 9 months.  During that

> time she treated it with acupuncture (by MD, not D.Acc),



OOPS! That was a mistake. What do MD's know about acupuncture? Just what a

weekend course could teach, usually.



>chiropractic

> and massage, a St. Johnswort/nervine formula with herbal liver support

> and exercise.  She was ultimately treated with injectable corticosteroids

> after a CAT scan showed a herniated disk at the 4th lumbar vertabra.  The

> steroids reduced pain, but the last treatment before surgery left her

> with pins and needles and numbness in her legs and arms.

>

> Surgery on 2/14 resolved her pain, but the numbness and tingling

> continued.  She was finally sent back for a high-contrast MRI, which

> indicated that the disk was again herniated, possibly to a greater extent

> than previously.  The doctor says that she must decide within 2 weeks

> whether to have a second operation, before the scar tissue hardens from

> the original surgery.



Sciatica itself is treatable, but you need a Chinese diagnosis. As for the

disk, acupuncture and herbs CAN help disks heal. As for surgery, USUALLY in

my experience at least, it makes the situation worse, since surgery

__increases__ stagnation in the area.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Second surgery for herniated disk

From: Penny Harris <ONECENT36@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:07:52 -0500

--------

I am recovering from surgery for severe herneated disk and have done super

there was  a lot of nerve damage to the sciatica nerve I had immediate relief

which was one that really surprised me but the excercise of walking is

helping the comtinual healing

of course I want to lose 60lbs to help in that also ... but the surgery was

the right way for me  the disk broke off in the nerve canal causing part of

the nerve damage the rest of the damage was caused by the muscles tying

themselves around the nerve I was unable to do anything but ly and stand for

short periods of time ..I realize now there will have to be a lot of care in

the future to avoid other complications ...Magnesium and black cohosh helped

but nothing took away the pain and I tried everything before surgery was

allowed.. Good luck and God speed!!!!!!!!!!





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To: <Paracelsus@teleport.com>, "Karen Vaughan" <creationsgarden@juno.com>

Subject: Re: Second surgery for herniated disk

From: "J. Slimak" <slimak@praxis.net>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:54:29 -0500

--------

Karen:

On the subject of herniated discs, I have a client story of interest.:

Diagnosed w/ lumbar herniation and in extreme pain and MD's saying surgery

or dissolution by injection was necessary, I had a 19 YO client brought to

me by her mother saying "Janet will fix it".  Now we all know this is not

fixible -- never mind by me!  However, always the optimist, I put her on

the massage table only to find she had too much pain for me to even comfort

her!  She had no idea whether or not a 'fix' was possible or impossible. 

She just believed her mom.

Yikes!  I did what any good mother would do, I just put a hand on her

tummy, sat by the table and we talked.

I thought by her usual demeanor that she was a happy kid only to find that

her life was in turmoil from boyfriend to family to college.  As I listened

and encouraged her to take responsibility for her feelings about all the

things happening to her (even the accident that brought her to me), she was

remarkably willing to understand that her body was indeed resonding to the

trauma up to and including the gross trauma of colliding autos.

We did this for an hour for 5 days and the pain subsided observably each

day until she was totally free of pain.

She remained free of pain until returning to campus and then called.  I

told her to play the same music she heard on my massage table and to

visualize and feel the same state of mind.  She did and that was the last

pain she had from the lumbar injury.  Today she is a professional golfer!

This became the basis of my practice 8 yrs ago.  We have a remarkable

ability to turn around even the most medically challenging cases with a

"young" mind (perhaps naive) willing to take responsbility.  Not for all,

but worthy of consideration.  

Hope this is inspiring.  I'm a believer in God's perfection remaining even

after we manage to muck it up.!

Blessings and good luck.

Janet





----------

> From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>

> To: Paracelsus@teleport.com

> Cc: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

> Subject: Second surgery for herniated disk

> Date: Wednesday, March 12, 1997 10:35 PM

> 

> Does anyone have information on the advisability of repeat sugery for

> herniated disks?

> 

> My 67 year old mother has had severe sciatica for 9 months.  During that

> time she treated it with accupuncture (by MD, not D.Acc), chiropractic

> and massage, a St. Johnswort/nervine formula with herbal liver support

> and exercise.  She was ultimately treated with injectable corticosteroids

> after a CAT scan showed a herniated disk at the 4th lumbar vertabra.  The

> steroids reduced pain, but the last treatment before surgery left her

> with pins and needles and numbness in her legs and arms.

> 

> Surgery on 2/14 resolved her pain, but the numbness and tingling

> continued.  She was finally sent back for a high-contrast MRI, which

> indicated that the disk was again herniated, possibly to a greater extent

> than previously.  The doctor says that she must decide within 2 weeks

> whether to have a second operation, before the scar tissue hardens from

> the original surgery.  

> 

> She is unable to get a second opinion in her town because the only other

> orthopedic surgeon refuses to give second opinions.  She will be in

> Tuscon, AZ  next week and would appreciate the name of any specialists

> who might be able to give her a second opinion.

> 

> Information on the prognosis of second surgeries and on complementary

> care would be greatly appreciated.

> 

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: blotches

From: Christina Stubbs <RDWLF18@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 12 Mar 1997 23:16:04 -0500

--------

anyone have any ideas on hoe to get rid of blotchy skin,   a lotion maybe ,

anything im desperate





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: blotches

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 19:09:27 GMT

--------

> anyone have any ideas on hoe to get rid of blotchy skin,   a lotion maybe ,

> anything im desperate



CAUSE of the blotches?



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: blotches

From: Christina Stubbs <RDWLF18@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 15:10:54 -0500

--------

Cause of the blotches: unknown ive just always had blotchy dry skin and its

gotten worse as ive gotten older





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: blotches

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 16:52:42 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-14 16:21:41 EST, you write:



<< Cause of the blotches: unknown ive just always had blotchy dry skin and

its

 gotten worse as ive gotten older >>



What do they look like?  Reddish, brownish, whitish?  Dry, flakey?  What

size-1", irregular?  Over the nose and into the cheek or on forehead, etc?

 Do you have them on your neck?  Are your ears involved?  Do you also have

joint pains or problems?

Does the skin on your upper arms and chest get blotchy after bathing, and do

you have to be careful what type of soaps you use?  Do you blush easily, or

get very red when bending over?  Are you a redhead with fair skin?

Traiteusse.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: blotches

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 14:29:37 -0800

--------

At 03:10 PM 3/14/97 -0500, Christina Stubbs <RDWLF18@aol.com> wrote:

>Cause of the blotches: unknown ive just always had blotchy dry skin and its

>gotten worse as ive gotten older

>

Have you seen a specialist to determine if you might not have Rosacea, a

chronic skin disorder in which the nose and cheeks are abnormally red.  The

exact cause is unknown, but sometimes it is caused by overuse of

coricosteroid creams in the treatment in other skin disorders.  Rosacea

usually begins with temporary flushing, often after drinking a hot beverage

or alcohol, eating spicy food, or entering a hot environment.   It then can

sometimes develop into permanent redness of the skin, sometimes accompanied

by pustules resembling those of acne.  It affects about one in 500 people

and is most commonly found in middle-aged women.



Before anyone can suggest a course of action, you need to know exactly what

you are dealing with.



Be well,

Marcia Elston     I     Samara Botane     |     Seattle, WA

Manufacturers of Aromatherapy and Herbal products

                                  Herbal Indulgence

                 http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: blotches

From: Penny Harris <ONECENT36@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:13:51 -0500

--------

Blotches can be caused by foods or drinks ,,For my husband it was alcohol He

quit drinking and his skin is now healing ... and he is feeling much

better..Hope you find what is causing yours.....





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: blotches

From: Christina Stubbs <RDWLF18@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:12:15 -0500

--------

reddish brown hair, white skin kinda yellowish around the eyes, umm, yes my

upper arms, neck and  chest get very red and blotchy when i get out of the

shower or even just scratch my neck alittle, when i was little i couldnt use

any kind of soap with perfumes in them but now i dont seem to have much of a

problem, i dont blush easy but i do get very red when i bend over, joint

pains? I have arthritis in my hands, my face is very dry and flaky, and the

blotches are all over my cheeks and nose but not much on my forehead





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: blotches

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:36:56 -0900

--------

At 06:13 PM 3/14/97 -0500, Penny Harris wrote:

>Blotches can be caused by foods or drinks ,,For my husband it was alcohol He

>quit drinking and his skin is now healing ... and he is feeling much

>better..Hope you find what is causing yours.....

>

>

Could these blotches be Tinea corporealis (or is it the other way around,

may be misspelled, I'll have to check)  If so, this might indicate systemic

yeast infection.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: blotches

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 07:11:33 GMT

--------

> reddish brown hair, white skin kinda yellowish around the eyes,



May suggest Liver dysfunction.



>umm, yes my

> upper arms, neck and  chest get very red and blotchy when i get out of the

> shower or even just scratch my neck alittle,



Underlying Heat due to Yin depletion, usually (front of the body=Yin).



>when i was little i couldnt use

> any kind of soap with perfumes in them but now i dont seem to have much of

a

> problem, i dont blush easy but i do get very red when i bend over,



Predominance of Yang above, depletion of Yin below.



> joint

> pains? I have arthritis in my hands,



Hot, swollen hands probably.



>my face is very dry and flaky, and the

> blotches are all over my cheeks and nose but not much on my forehead



Stomach channel. Hot Stomach. Probably you have PMS sort of symptoms (Hot

Liver attacking the Stomach) on an ongoing basis.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 11 Mar 1997 to 12 Mar 1997

From: "Giselle L. Borowicz" <Wolfenhnd@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:42:48 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-13 02:29:15 EST, John wrote about his snuffling:



<< I eat a lot of cheese and eggs and a bit of 1% milk.

 I am hearing so much against dairy products here that I am wondering if

 this may be part of my problem. >>



John,  I too, have had a stuffy nose for ever and ever.  Once, to treat

something else, I went on a dairy free diet.  Guess what?  No more stuffy

nose after about 3 weeks of no --  AND I MEAN NO -- dairy products.  The only

problem was, I happen to love them.  So I weighed the stuffy nose against my

love of milk, butter, cheese and eggs  and decided I'd rather live with the

stuffy nose.



If you think you can do without them, try it for about 2 months and see if it

helps.  Let me know how you make out!



-giselle (alias Wolfenhnd for my Irish Wolfhound who lets me use his AOL

account and stuffy-nose sufferer...)





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cold is back

From: Susan Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 08:44:01 -0500

--------

My cold is back in full force. I woke with laryngitis and a cough. I had

one cup of coffee yesterday. That is the first in a week. I used to

drink one cup of expresso about 3 times a week and strong coffee the

other days. Could one cup do that? It isn't so much the coffee taste

that I liked as the heavyness of it compared to tea. The only other

thing different yesterday was exposure to a very cold wind in the

morning.

Puzzled Susan





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cold is back

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 09:21:18 -0500

--------

>>My cold is back in full force. I woke with laryngitis and a cough. I had

one cup of coffee yesterday. That is the first in a week. I used to

drink one cup of expresso about 3 times a week and strong coffee the

other days. Could one cup do that? It isn't so much the coffee taste

that I liked as the heavyness of it compared to tea. The only other

thing different yesterday was exposure to a very cold wind in the

morning.

Puzzled Susan<<



I'm sorry you're not feeling up to par right now.  Do what your mama says and

wrap up warm and don't shock your body when it's a little weak.  Keep socks

on your feet and rest.



If you're standing on the very edge of a cliff, it takes only a tiny, tiny

push to send you over.

Remember, as your body starts to be able to cleanse itself, it will take the

opportunity to get rid of accumulated mucous, etc.  (It gets worse before it

gets better syndrome).

You were probably craving the coffee to stimulate a failing system and to

increase yang, but it backfires.  You may have  had weakened systems that

attached you to coffee in the first place; sort of beating a tired horse

though.  Most people that crave coffee find they can't stand it straight and

black; a clue.

Start strengthening your system and help it to heal itself and fight off

infection.

Beware of the Easter candy temptation right now.

I found that a fairly strong Red Raspberry leaf tea with a few sprigs of mint

in it had a fuller mouth sensation than other teas.  It also might help that

throat and cough.

T.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cold is back

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:59:25 GMT

--------

> My cold is back in full force. I woke with laryngitis and a cough. I had

> one cup of coffee yesterday. That is the first in a week. I used to

> drink one cup of expresso about 3 times a week and strong coffee the

> other days. Could one cup do that?



YES! It is AMAZING how toxifying it is. Imagine all those years what it was

doing to you!



>It isn't so much the coffee taste

> that I liked as the heavyness of it compared to tea. The only other

> thing different yesterday was exposure to a very cold wind in the

> morning.



So get some Postum or Caffix or something. Stop ruinin' your health! And

drink some peppermint tea to reverse the effects of your error.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Developmental Delayed Child

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 15:56:18 -0500

--------

Had a customer in the store who was desperately looking for solutions. She

has an 18 month old daughter who:

    lacks muscle strength,

    low weight & height,

    good eater,

    is just beginning to get on hands and knees,

    did not develop head control until 12-13 months,

    did not learn to sit alone until 18 months,

    is not verbal except for whinning and crying (no babbling),

    has happy facial expressions, and

    seems to have tight muscles necessitating stretching her before activity.

Blood tests all ok, muscle bio ok, MRI ok. Doctors are simply saying she

"seems to be developmentally delayed".



I suggest that she run, not walk to the nearest really good classical

homeopathic doc. The closest to us would be the Seattle, Washington area & I

found a list of them in that area to give her. Any other or better

suggestions?



Thanks much,



Kathy~





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Developmental Delayed Child

From: Tami King <tking@CO.SAN-BERNARDINO.CA.US>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 13:25:46 -0800

--------

I'm not a doctor, professional healer or anything like that, but its my opinion that this person should go see a physical therapist or chiropractor for her child.  It sounds like this child, no matter what the reason for her developmental delays, needs some PT to strengthen and stretch her muscles, which just might help her get stronger and start doing things for herself.



I have a friend who has a child with Cerebral Palsy (birth injury-induced) and they started PT with the child at a VERY young age.  Her daughter, whom everyone said would most likely never walk, is now walking with braces and is a happy, healthy child, even tho she IS a little stinker (and I love her to pieces!).





Tami King

tking@co.san-bernardino.ca.us

San Bernardino County Fire Dept

San Bernardino, CA  USA



-----Original Message-----

From:   Kathy Lingo [SMTP:Lingo4@AOL.COM]

Sent:   Thursday, March 13, 1997 12:56 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: Developmental Delayed Child



Had a customer in the store who was desperately looking for solutions. She

has an 18 month old daughter who:

    lacks muscle strength,

    low weight & height,

    good eater,

    is just beginning to get on hands and knees,

    did not develop head control until 12-13 months,

    did not learn to sit alone until 18 months,

    is not verbal except for whinning and crying (no babbling),

    has happy facial expressions, and

    seems to have tight muscles necessitating stretching her before activity.

Blood tests all ok, muscle bio ok, MRI ok. Doctors are simply saying she

"seems to be developmentally delayed".



I suggest that she run, not walk to the nearest really good classical

homeopathic doc. The closest to us would be the Seattle, Washington area & I

found a list of them in that area to give her. Any other or better

suggestions?



Thanks much,



Kathy~



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Developmental Delayed Child

From: Jack Forbush <chirho@IME.NET>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 01:25:19 -0500

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Kathy,



Sounds like a calc case to me, probably calc-carb



Jack

___________________________________



Jack Forbush RN, CCRN, CEN

E-mail: chirho@ime.net

http://www.angelfire.com/me/chirho (under construction)

"Let the doors swing open to the house of faith, every tribe and nation,

every tongue and race.  Under Jesus' banner, let us all embrace.  There can

be no labels in the house of faith."            Geoff Moore and the Distance





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Developmental Delayed Child

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 22:08:17 -0900

--------

At 01:25 PM 3/13/97 -0800, Tami King wrote:

>I'm not a doctor, professional healer or anything like that, but its my

opinion that this person should go see a physical therapist or chiropractor

for her child.  It sounds like this child, no matter what the reason for

her developmental delays, needs some PT to strengthen and stretch her

muscles, which just might help her get stronger and start doing things for

herself.

>

>I have a friend who has a child with Cerebral Palsy (birth injury-induced)

and they started PT with the child at a VERY young age.  Her daughter, whom

everyone said would most likely never walk, is now walking with braces and

is a happy, healthy child, even tho she IS a little stinker (and I love her

to pieces!).

>

>

>Tami King

>tking@co.san-bernardino.ca.us

>San Bernardino County Fire Dept

>San Bernardino, CA  USA

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From:   Kathy Lingo [SMTP:Lingo4@AOL.COM]

>Sent:   Thursday, March 13, 1997 12:56 PM

>To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

>Subject:        Re: Developmental Delayed Child

>

>Had a customer in the store who was desperately looking for solutions. She

>has an 18 month old daughter who:

>    lacks muscle strength,

>    low weight & height,

>    good eater,

>    is just beginning to get on hands and knees,

>    did not develop head control until 12-13 months,

>    did not learn to sit alone until 18 months,

>    is not verbal except for whinning and crying (no babbling),

>    has happy facial expressions, and

>    seems to have tight muscles necessitating stretching her before activity.

>Blood tests all ok, muscle bio ok, MRI ok. Doctors are simply saying she

>"seems to be developmentally delayed".

>

>I suggest that she run, not walk to the nearest really good classical

>homeopathic doc. The closest to us would be the Seattle, Washington area & I

>found a list of them in that area to give her. Any other or better

>suggestions?

>

>Thanks much,

>

>Kathy~

>

Have they allowed her to crawl and roll on the floor or has she been held a

great deal?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Developmental Delayed Child

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 20:15:47 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-14 02:17:11 EST, you write:



<< >

 >Had a customer in the store who was desperately looking for solutions. She

 >has an 18 month old daughter who:

 >    lacks muscle strength,

 >    low weight & height,

 >    good eater,

 >    is just beginning to get on hands and knees,

 >    did not develop head control until 12-13 months,

 >    did not learn to sit alone until 18 months,

 >    is not verbal except for whinning and crying (no babbling),

 >    has happy facial expressions, and

 >    seems to have tight muscles necessitating stretching her before

activity.

 >Blood tests all ok, muscle bio ok, MRI ok. Doctors are simply saying she

 >"seems to be developmentally delayed".

 >

 >I suggest that she run, not walk to the nearest really good classical

 >homeopathic doc. The closest to us would be the Seattle, Washington area &

I

 >found a list of them in that area to give her. Any other or better

 >suggestions?

 >

 >Thanks much,

 >

 >Kathy~

 >



>>Have they allowed her to crawl and roll on the floor or has she been held a

 great deal?<<



Anita,



They seem to feel she has been left on her own and trying a more than

adequate length of time. And they are constantly told to just

wait--eventually she will walk, etc. At this time they are very worried

parents.



The homeopathy group has suggested that she is perhaps a Calc. Carb. baby and

that constitutional homeopathic treatment could remedy the situation.



I have passed all suggestions on to this young mother and I think she is

leaning toward the suggestion of a homeopathic doc and an osteopath. If I

have any updates, I will let you all know.



Thanks everyone for your input and suggestions!



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy~





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Developmental Delayed Child

From: Jack Forbush <chirho@IME.NET>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:29:54 -0500

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At 08:39 AM 3/14/97 -0800, Tami King wrote:



>Jack, could you explain "calc" and "calc-carb" for those less enlightened

among us, please?



Tami,



Sorry about the delay in getting back to you ...



        calc:           calcarea

        calc-carb:      abbrevation for calcarea carbonica



        In homeopathy, there is a group of remedies based on calcarea, or calcium.

 Calc-carb is calcium carbonate.  Calc-carb is a possible remedy for use in

developmentally delayed children.  For more information on homeopathy,

check out:



http://www.dungeon.com/home/cam/homeo.html  Homepathy Home Page

http://www.healthy.net/pan/pa/homeopathic/natcenhom/index.html

        National Center for Homeopathy

http://antenna.nl/homeoweb/  Homeoweb Home Page





        Sorry for the use of jargon.



Jack

___________________________________



Jack Forbush RN, CCRN, CEN

E-mail: chirho@ime.net

http://www.angelfire.com/me/chirho (under construction)

"Let the doors swing open to the house of faith, every tribe and nation,

every tongue and race.  Under Jesus' banner, let us all embrace.  There can

be no labels in the house of faith."            Geoff Moore and the Distance





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Losing Weight

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 13 Mar 1997 23:59:04 GMT

--------

> THis is my first message to the list. I have a question regarding a

> friend who has been in a car accident and now cannot exercise at all

> (doctors orders) due to a painful back & neck. Are there any teas, or

> food groups that will help her to lose weight?



Homeopathic Arnica 30 to 1M (whatever you can get, the higher the better),

repeated twice daily until the pain subsides considerably, at which point

wait and do nothing further unless the pain worsens.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Losing Weight

From: "Fong, Mui" <Mui.Fong@HEALTH.WA.GOV.AU>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 09:41:02 +0800

--------

Hello ppl



THis is my first message to the list. I have a question regarding a

friend who has been in a car accident and now cannot exercise at all

(doctors orders) due to a painful back & neck. Are there any teas, or

food groups that will help her to lose weight?







Mui





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Losing Weight

From: Margo <margo@Q-NET.NET.AU>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 21:05:43 +0800

--------

At 11:59 PM 13/03/97 GMT, you wrote:

>> THis is my first message to the list. I have a question regarding a

>> friend who has been in a car accident and now cannot exercise at all

>> (doctors orders) due to a painful back & neck. Are there any teas, or

>> food groups that will help her to lose weight?

>

>Homeopathic Arnica 30 to 1M (whatever you can get, the higher the better),

>repeated twice daily until the pain subsides considerably, at which point

>wait and do nothing further unless the pain worsens.

>

>Paul

>

>

Paul



What does this do??





Margo

(also interested)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Chinese book on cooking

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 08:16:32 -0500

--------

Does anyone know of any good books on chinese medicinal cooking. I know

they use their medicinal herbs frequently for cooking. I once saw a book

that gave instructions for making a broth that they simmered for a day

or two.

Thanks S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chinese book on cooking

From: linda/richard <kyote@WOLFENET.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 07:48:49 -0800

--------

At 08:16 AM 3/14/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Does anyone know of any good books on chinese medicinal cooking. I know

>they use their medicinal herbs frequently for cooking.



one place to start is 'arisal of the clear' by bob flaws  blue poppy press



richard





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Peppermint tea question for Paul

From: C C <chessiecat@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:34:49 EST

--------

Paul, you recommend peppermint tea frequently. Do you recommend it for

just between meals, or with meals, too? Would some honey or sugar change

its effect?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cramp bark tea.....ugh

From: C C <chessiecat@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 19:34:49 EST

--------

I just made some cramp bark tea. I let it steep ten minutes. It was

awful. Even with some honey in it. I had to toss it. What herbs can be

mixed with it to make it tolerable? Is ten min. too long? Can the little

wood chips be re-used for more tea? It's fifty seven dollars a pound.

Thanks for any advice!!!!!--Chessiecat@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cramp bark tea.....ugh

From: Tom Stewart <Taraxatom@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:47:19 -0500

--------

Forget the tea, use the tincture and put it in a shot glass with water and

just down it. Much easier on the taste buds and stronger.

     Tom





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cramp bark tea.....ugh

From: Paula King <Briosaid@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:08:24 -0500

--------

 I just made some cramp bark tea. I let it steep ten minutes. It was

 awful. Even with some honey in it. I had to toss it. What herbs can be

 mixed with it to make it tolerable? Is ten min. too long? Can the little

 wood chips be re-used for more tea? It's fifty seven dollars a pound.

 Thanks for any advice!!!!!--Chessiecat@juno.com





 Personally, I've always found capsules more tolerable....I take valerian &

cat's claw that way...look for the stuff in capsules!



Paula

who won't take anything that tastes bad either...:p





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cramp bark tea.....ugh

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:36:57 -0900

--------

At 07:34 PM 3/14/97 EST, C C wrote:

>I just made some cramp bark tea. I let it steep ten minutes. It was

>awful. Even with some honey in it. I had to toss it. What herbs can be

>mixed with it to make it tolerable? Is ten min. too long? Can the little

>wood chips be re-used for more tea? It's fifty seven dollars a pound.

>Thanks for any advice!!!!!--Chessiecat@juno.com

>

>

It may be made more tolerable with liquorice root bark and/or peppermint.

However, you should just get used to the bitterness. You shouldn't need a

very strong dose to be effective.  If it's strong, just use less.  I would

recommend drinking a little, wait 15-20 min, notice the effect.  If you

need more, you will know at that point.

My first experience with Viburnum was interesting.  I got fresh bark and

made my decoction.  I could only get down about 1/2 cup before the

bitterness was too much.  I sat down at the computer and began to type.

About 15 minutes later I became so relaxed that I nearly slid off the

chair.  I had to go lie down.  But it was so soothing I had no more cramps.

 It was interesting that I didn't have them for several months after

either.  I rarely get them now probably due to lifestyle changes.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cramp bark tea.....ugh

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:37:00 -0900

--------

At 09:08 AM 3/15/97 -0500, Paula King wrote:

> I just made some cramp bark tea. I let it steep ten minutes. It was

> awful. Even with some honey in it. I had to toss it. What herbs can be

> mixed with it to make it tolerable? Is ten min. too long? Can the little

> wood chips be re-used for more tea? It's fifty seven dollars a pound.

> Thanks for any advice!!!!!--Chessiecat@juno.com

>

>

> Personally, I've always found capsules more tolerable....I take valerian &

>cat's claw that way...look for the stuff in capsules!

>

>Paula

>who won't take anything that tastes bad either...:p

>

>

By relying on capsules, you not only avoid an unpleasant taste, you also

miss part of the benefit of a bitter herb.  The medicinal effects of bitter

herbs begins in the mouth with the stimulation of the proper digestive

juices including saliva.  There's much to the old adage that the worse it

tastes, the better it is for you. The other aspect is that by rejecting the

flavor of the herb you are, in part, rejecting some of it's healing

properties.

I've found that the elegance of taking medicine, bitter taste and all, by

mouth, well rewarded in successful healing.

Remember, the bitterness is part of the healing.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cramp bark tea.....ugh

From: Kathie Turner <Kathie1st@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:36:17 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-15 17:08:22 EST, hales1@KTN.NET (Anita Hales)

writes:



<< By relying on capsules, you not only avoid an unpleasant taste, you also

 miss part of the benefit of a bitter herb.  The medicinal effects of bitter

 herbs begins in the mouth with the stimulation of the proper digestive

 juices including saliva.  There's much to the old adage that the worse it

 tastes, the better it is for you. The other aspect is that by rejecting the

 flavor of the herb you are, in part, rejecting some of it's healing

 properties.

 I've found that the elegance of taking medicine, bitter taste and all, by

 mouth, well rewarded in successful healing.

 Remember, the bitterness is part of the healing.



  >>

Oops.....does this mean all the herbs I have bought in capsule form (Ginko,

Gotu Kola, Valerian, Cayenne) are useless?  Can I take them out of the clear

capsule and make a tea?  Would that be better?



Thanks!

Kathie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cramp bark tea.....ugh

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 14:57:25 EST

--------

>Oops.....does this mean all the herbs I have bought in capsule form

(Ginko,

>Gotu Kola, Valerian, Cayenne) are useless?  Can I take them out of the

clear

>capsule and make a tea?  Would that be better?

>

>Thanks!

>Kathie

Not at all.  Get the same herbs in tincture or tea form.  Take part of

the dose in a form you can taste and fill it out with the capsuls.  You

can also make a tea from the powder, or pour part of it on your tongue.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cramp bark tea.....ugh

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:26:28 -0900

--------

At 08:36 PM 3/15/97 -0500, Kathie Turner wrote:

>In a message dated 97-03-15 17:08:22 EST, hales1@KTN.NET (Anita Hales)

>writes:

>

><< By relying on capsules, you not only avoid an unpleasant taste, you also

> miss part of the benefit of a bitter herb.  The medicinal effects of bitter

> herbs begins in the mouth with the stimulation of the proper digestive

> juices including saliva.  There's much to the old adage that the worse it

> tastes, the better it is for you. The other aspect is that by rejecting the

> flavor of the herb you are, in part, rejecting some of it's healing

> properties.

> I've found that the elegance of taking medicine, bitter taste and all, by

> mouth, well rewarded in successful healing.

> Remember, the bitterness is part of the healing.

>

>  >>

>Oops.....does this mean all the herbs I have bought in capsule form (Ginko,

>Gotu Kola, Valerian, Cayenne) are useless?  Can I take them out of the clear

>capsule and make a tea?  Would that be better?

>

>Thanks!

>Kathie

>

>

Capsules are not useless and provide a measure of convenience and accuracy

in dosage.  Cayenne is one herb that doesn't seem to care whether it's in a

tea or not (unless you are using it for mouth or throat in which case tea

would be better.)  I am speaking more specifically of herbs known as

bitters.  These herbs generally stimulate the digestive system, liver,

spleen, gall bladder, stomach, intestines, etc.  You should realize that

digestion starts in the mouth or even before when you smell the food (or

herbs as the case may be).  So bitters are best taken so you can taste them.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: nerve pain

From: Judith Rasoletti <rasolett@FIU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 22:00:03 -0500

--------

Greetings!  two weeks ago my girlfriend had outpatient surgery for an

inguinal hernia.  The incision is healing well, but apparently the surgery

caused some nerve damage for she still has pain going down her leg, along

the groin.  Any suggestions to help repair the damaged nerves?



Judith Rasoletti --------- rasolett@fiu.edu -----------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: nerve pain

From: "M. Pacord" <Mpacord@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 16:50:35 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-14 22:49:08 EST, you write:



<< Greetings!  two weeks ago my girlfriend had outpatient surgery for an

 inguinal hernia.  The incision is healing well, but apparently the surgery

 caused some nerve damage for she still has pain going down her leg, along

 the groin.  Any suggestions to help repair the damaged nerves?

  >>

First, you should find out if the pain going down the leg is from nerve

injury, or muscular problems, or just "referred" from somewhere else.  If it

doesn't get well by itself, ask your doctor.

     A Careful Physician





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: nerve pain

From: Jack Forbush <chirho@IME.NET>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:27:06 -0500

--------

At 10:00 PM 3/14/97 -0500, you wrote:



>Greetings!  two weeks ago my girlfriend had outpatient surgery for an

>inguinal hernia.  The incision is healing well, but apparently the surgery

>caused some nerve damage for she still has pain going down her leg, along

>the groin.  Any suggestions to help repair the damaged nerves?





Hypericum prepared homeopathically has been very effective with nerve pain.

 Although I would suggest you consult with a professional homeopath for

continued/definitive treatment.



Jack

___________________________________



Jack Forbush RN, CCRN, CEN

E-mail: chirho@ime.net

http://www.angelfire.com/me/chirho (under construction)

"Let the doors swing open to the house of faith, every tribe and nation,

every tongue and race.  Under Jesus' banner, let us all embrace.  There can

be no labels in the house of faith."            Geoff Moore and the Distance





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: losing weight

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@FULLNET.NET>

Date: Fri, 14 Mar 1997 20:53:52 -0800

--------

Paul, I have a question for you please. Would the same dosage

arnica be recommended for lower back pain in a man due to - work,

or who knows the reason for the continued backache? The backache

has decreased-he is able to go back to work, but he is on a hot

water bottle morning and night after work and walks like it hurts.

I have never heard of arnica. Can you buy this at the health food

store if recommended? Many thanks, Linda





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: losing weight

From: Jack Forbush <chirho@IME.NET>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:28:52 -0500

--------

At 08:53 PM 3/14/97 -0800, you wrote:



>Paul, I have a question for you please. Would the same dosage

>arnica be recommended for lower back pain in a man due to - work,

>or who knows the reason for the continued backache? The backache

>has decreased-he is able to go back to work, but he is on a hot

>water bottle morning and night after work and walks like it hurts.

>I have never heard of arnica. Can you buy this at the health food

>store if recommended? Many thanks, Linda



        Sorry to interject on a posting to another individual, but the whole area

of back pain is very individualized.  Arnica is an excellent remedy for

trauma in the acute stage - the remaining treatment is dependent on your

individual symptomatology.



jack

___________________________________



Jack Forbush RN, CCRN, CEN

E-mail: chirho@ime.net

http://www.angelfire.com/me/chirho (under construction)

"Let the doors swing open to the house of faith, every tribe and nation,

every tongue and race.  Under Jesus' banner, let us all embrace.  There can

be no labels in the house of faith."            Geoff Moore and the Distance





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Echinecea

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 07:38:53 UT

--------

I purchased some fresh echinecea and tinctured it. The place I ordered it sent

it 2nd day air. Micheal moore recommends doing fresh plants usually in a 1 to

2 ratio with 95% alcohol. When I got through with the process I had a tincture

of 70% alcohol.  Would it have been better to start out with a 75 or 80%

alcohol where the finished product would have been around 50%. Also, In

mississippi we have a yarrow but it is yellow flowered and I wonder does this

have any medicinal value.  Thanks     John    J2030@msn.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fruit fly pests......./Ginko

From: Daniela Lowe <danlowe@OVERNET.COM.AR>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:19:35 -0300

--------

>On Fri, 14 Mar 1997 18:34:10 -0800, Janelle <luna@AUTOBAHN.MB.CA> wrote to

>HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:

>

>>do the trick.  Any other herbs to repel fruit flys?  Prehaps a decoction

>>to pour over the soil?  Look forward to your replys.  Thanks in advance.





So after a long time of just lurking, I say hello to everyone again, and

want to thank you on the various matters that I am learning through this list.



Janelle, may be you should try with the Organic Gardening List,

(LISTSERV@LSV.UKY.EDU) SUBSCRIBE OGL "and your name"

It is a usual subject the way to control pests, and insects on plants in an

oraganic way. You will be welcome there.



I got a small Ginko plant from one of our nurserys, and I would really

appreciate any information about what can I do with it, I know it is a

useful aid for memory (Am I right?)



I would like to know how tho make the best of it.



TIA. and wishing you a nice day,

Danielita



danlowe@overnet.com.ar

Buenos Aires

Argentina



To make Understanding, it takes: Affinity, Realitiy and Communication

Affinity is the relative distance and similarity of the two ends of a

communication line.

Reality is the degree of agreement reached by two ends of a communication line.

Communication is the interchange of ideas or particles between two points.



        (R.Hubbard)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: fibromyalgia?

From: Paula King <Briosaid@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 11:30:57 -0500

--------

Hi folks

any suggestions herb-wise as to what to use to help with fibromyalgia?

Last month was awful...a week before my period, I wanted to die, I was so

miserable. It felt like my entire rib cage was bruised.

Yesterday I asked someone to scratch an itch below my shoulder & it felt like

she was touching a recently bruised spot.

This sucks when even a hug hurts.

    ~sigh~

Paula





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fibromyalgia?

From: brenda asterino <brenda.asterino@DRAGONBBS.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 12:38:15 -0500

--------

I will be watching for input because even tho I don't have experience with

this....  because of a brain injury and knowing other survivors...  I know

those who also have fibromyalgia.  So, I will be passing suggestions along

to another list.



I do want to ask Paula if she has seen a chiropractor...  you may be talking

about trigger points also....   some one who knows cranio-sacral therapy and

accupressure and other may be of help to you also.



Brenda



At 11:30 AM 3/15/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi folks

>any suggestions herb-wise as to what to use to help with fibromyalgia?

>Last month was awful...a week before my period, I wanted to die, I was so

>miserable. It felt like my entire rib cage was bruised.

>Yesterday I asked someone to scratch an itch below my shoulder & it felt like

>she was touching a recently bruised spot.

>This sucks when even a hug hurts.

>    ~sigh~

>Paula

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fibromyalgia?

From: "Joseph Zacker, Ph.D." <JoeZ6@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 16:07:15 -0500

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CHECK OUT MAGNESIUM MAALATE FORMULA FOR FIBROMYALGIA





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fibromyalgia?

From: Kathie Turner <Kathie1st@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 20:36:11 -0500

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I'm new to the list, and have learned so much in just a few short days.



I'm curious about the Magnesium ....is that for all pain?  I have chronic

back pain, and began studying herbal and natural remedies to get off the pain

medication.



Thanks.



Kathie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fibromyalgia?

From: Paula King <Briosaid@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 10:05:13 -0500

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 I do want to ask Paula if she has seen a chiropractor...  you may be talking

 about trigger points also....   some one who knows cranio-sacral therapy and

 accupressure and other may be of help to you also.



 Brenda



 Well, I honestly don't think I could deal with what a Chiropractor would put

me through. Right now that would be the equivelant of torture....I've been to

them before & they help when I've missed a step & jar myself, but

now...ouch...

My husband does accupressure. What would you suggest he do?

I'm willing to try anything.



Paula





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fibromyalgia?

From: brenda asterino <brenda.asterino@DRAGONBBS.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 12:20:58 -0500

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Paula,



I see a chiropractor who does not crunch me at all...  he puts some pressure

to move things but there are no heavy crunches.



I don't know enough about accupressure or trigger points except to know that

when you are sore at places... that can be a trigger point and a proper

technique can free that area of pain and stiffness.   Because I was thrown

out of the car and have diffuse tearing thru all my muscles as well as

brain.... there is lots of scar tissue build up and lots of trigger points

and knots...    They help with this.   The craniosacral does no crunching or

pushing and pulling at all.  It is a light touch with very low pressure

slight movement.



Love



Brenda







At 10:05 AM 3/16/97 -0500, you wrote:

> I do want to ask Paula if she has seen a chiropractor...  you may be talking

> about trigger points also....   some one who knows cranio-sacral therapy and

> accupressure and other may be of help to you also.

>

> Brenda

>

> Well, I honestly don't think I could deal with what a Chiropractor would put

>me through. Right now that would be the equivelant of torture....I've been to

>them before & they help when I've missed a step & jar myself, but

>now...ouch...

>My husband does accupressure. What would you suggest he do?

>I'm willing to try anything.

>

>Paula

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fibromyalgia?

From: Mary Kay Roberts <mkr@EXECPC.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:47:23 -0600

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Hi Paula,



There is a company out there - it markets an herbal combination

especially for arthritis and fibromalagia.  It lessened the pain

somewhat for me.  I do not have the number anymore as my opthamologist

suggested I discontinue using it as it was not really great for the

glaucoma I have - but the company is Starlight International.  You might

try that.



The best thing that I did - and this sounds really funny, but my parents

winter in Arizona - after visiting for 3 days, I could actually move my

toes and fingers without severe pain.  I guess the best thing, at least

for me, is a hot, dry climate.  However, that will have to wait until

retirement.



Good luck.



Mary Kay





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Coffee Substitute

From: Evo & Caryl <emarcon@TALLSHIPS.ISTAR.CA>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 09:09:50 -0800

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To Susan C:

After quitting coffee, I also found tea not full-bodied enough for my

morning wake up drink. You might try one of the instant dandelion-blend

drinks available in most health food stores. Thay have the body, vaguely

similar taste, but are oh so much better for you.



Caryl





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 12:54:47 -0500

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In a message dated 97-03-15 09:21:57 EST, you write:



<<

 To Susan C:

 After quitting coffee, I also found tea not full-bodied enough for my

 morning wake up drink. You might try one of the instant dandelion-blend

 drinks available in most health food stores. Thay have the body, vaguely

 similar taste, but are oh so much better for you.



 Caryl





  >>

Most are in tea bags.  Few are true instants, where you dump a spoonful of

powder into water of any temperature and it instantly dissolves.  The only

one I know of in the U.S. is DandyBlend instant Dandelion Beverage.  For

information on this, and how to order it if you can't find it in your health

food store, contact me privately via e-mail and I'll send it to you. Cost is

less than 15 cents a cup, and it works wonders.



BTW, Caryl, if you know of other truly instant dandelion beverages, I would

appreciate knowing the name and any information about the manufacturer.  We

serve as a clearinghouse for dandelion information, operate the Defenders of

Dandelions organization with members in 31 states, and the National Dandelion

Cookoff, which will be held May 3 in Dover Ohio.  For info about any of

these, and/or about Dandelion Doings, our quarterly newsletter ($15./year,

advertizers welcome), send a self-addressed stamped (55 cents) long envelope

to Goosefoot Acres, P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland, Ohio 44118.





Peter Gail, Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:59:43 GMT

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> Most are in tea bags.  Few are true instants, where you dump a spoonful of

> powder into water of any temperature and it instantly dissolves.  The only

> one I know of in the U.S. is DandyBlend instant Dandelion Beverage.  For

> information on this, and how to order it if you can't find it in your

health

> food store, contact me privately via e-mail and I'll send it to you. Cost

is

> less than 15 cents a cup, and it works wonders.



Please don't advertise.



Any 'instant' has to contain sugar or other starch that dissolves readily, as

unrefined plant parts rarely do. So an 'instant' pretty much means a

SWEETENED drink.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:02:49 GMT

--------

> In a message dated 97-03-22 05:55:04 EST, you write:

>

> << Please don't advertise.

>

>  Any 'instant' has to contain sugar or other starch that dissolves readily,

> as

>  unrefined plant parts rarely do. So an 'instant' pretty much means a

>  SWEETENED drink.

>   >>

> Re: the first point: A question was asked, I answered it, and gave an

address

> from which folks could learn more if they wanted to privately.  Hardly

> advertizing.



It IS advertising. There is no disclaimer of commercial involvement, and yet

there is referral to a commercial company. That is unacceptable.



> Re: the second.  Yes, DandyBlend is sweetened, but only by its own internal

> sugars. Dandelion roots, especially those gathered in fall when the

nutrients

> become concentrated in the roots, are filled with the polysaccharide

inulin.

> Under the right conditions, inulin  is converted to fructose.  Dandelion

and

> chicory both contain so much inulin that they are at times used as

commercial

> sources of fructose.

> So while all roasted dandelion beverages are sweetened, the sweetening is

not

> added, but is an integral component of the plant itself.

>

> Thanks for asking.



Heh. Not integral, but synthetic, as you admit. Perhaps this is a natural

result, but inulin is NOT fructose, and that is the whole reason why it is of

some value.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Sue Shipley <sue.shipley@PEI.SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:35:09 -0800

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I was just wondering if decaf coffee is any better for a person than

regular coffee or should both be avoided?



Sue





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 07:06:21 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-22 05:55:04 EST, you write:



<< Please don't advertise.



 Any 'instant' has to contain sugar or other starch that dissolves readily,

as

 unrefined plant parts rarely do. So an 'instant' pretty much means a

 SWEETENED drink.

  >>

Re: the first point: A question was asked, I answered it, and gave an address

from which folks could learn more if they wanted to privately.  Hardly

advertizing.



Re: the second.  Yes, DandyBlend is sweetened, but only by its own internal

sugars. Dandelion roots, especially those gathered in fall when the nutrients

become concentrated in the roots, are filled with the polysaccharide inulin.

Under the right conditions, inulin  is converted to fructose.  Dandelion and

chicory both contain so much inulin that they are at times used as commercial

sources of fructose.

So while all roasted dandelion beverages are sweetened, the sweetening is not

added, but is an integral component of the plant itself.



Thanks for asking.



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D. Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box

18016, Cleveland, OH 44118.  Author of The Dandelion Celebration: A Guide to

Unexpected Cuisine, The Great Dandelion Cookbook: Recipes from the National

Dandelion Cookoffs and Then Some; publisher of the quarterly newsletter

Dandelion Doings, and organizer of The Defenders of Dandelions and the

National Dandelion Cookoff, of which the 4th Annual Dandelion Cookoff will be

held in Dover Ohio May 3 1997.  Want to know more? Contact me at

petergail@aol.com.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Don <dr2@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 19:24:22 -0500

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Try Roma....





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 04:10:58 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-22 13:16:00 EST, you write:



<< Heh. Not integral, but synthetic, as you admit. Perhaps this is a natural

 result, but inulin is NOT fructose, and that is the whole reason why it is

of

 some value.

  >>

Raw dandelion roots are bitter in fall before the frost hits them and are at

their medicinally most potent when they are the most bitter.  Roast them, or

freeze them, and they become sweet, but they also lose some of their

medicinal value. Doesn't matter if you do the roasting or freezing,  or hire

someone else to do it by buying their product. There are plenty of dandelion

products of both kinds on the market, but better yet, there are plenty of

dandelions available free in just about everyone's yard. and, in the

Northeast, the roots are excellent right now just before the greens pop

through, if you don't mind the reduced medicinal potentcy caused by the

inulin conversion.



 Dandelion roots harvested now and used in stir-fry or dried and made into a

beverage from areas which are emerging from winter will be sweet to the taste

without any treatment because of the "synthesis" of fructose from inulin

which occurred within them over winter. They don't have to be roasted to make

this happen.



It is useful to know, however, that there are some 200 products on the market

which contain dandelions. People go out and kill their dandelions, and then

go to the health food store and buy them back in weight loss, liver

cleansing, skin cleaning, etc, etc. formulas.  Frontier Cooperative Herbs (no

commercial interest, unfortunately) has 31 separate catalog items for

products containing dandelions, including three which are in the top 20 in

sales in their  respective categories.  And people still insist on killing

them. Go figure.



Please consider this a blatant advertizement for using dandelions, no matter

how you get them.



Have a good day.



Peter Gail (petergail@aol.com), publisher, Dandelion Doings newsletter, head

of Defenders of Dandelions, and author of The Dandelion Celebration: A Guide

to Unexpected Cuisine.  Contact: 800-697-4858, fax: 216-932-2187, e-mail:

petergail@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:04:59 GMT

--------

> I was just wondering if decaf coffee is any better for a person than

> regular coffee or should both be avoided?



Both.



P.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Sherri <seer7@DNACO.NET>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 04:31:43 -0500

--------

Without any statistics to back me up.  On my gut instinct I say regular

coffee is better than decaf.  Decaf is processed and processed with

chemicals to make it decaf.



Sherri



Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> > I was just wondering if decaf coffee is any better for a person than

> > regular coffee or should both be avoided?

>

> Both.

>

> P.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Coffee Substitute

From: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:51:30 -0500

--------

Penny



Don't know what this message said, because there wasn't anything in it., but

I'll be sending informaiton about this over e-mail by early next week.

 Finally decided, with all the interest in dandelions, to get information

together which I can send out over the internet, and ultimately put together

a website.  That is probably a month of so away, but when it is up, I'll

announce it here.



Thanks for your interest



Peter Gail





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: YARROW

From: "Hilton D. Clinton Jr" <Yahu72@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 17:52:35 -0500

--------

Hello all,

I've used yarrow tea in the past for relief of fever

with good success. I was wondering  what other

uses anyone had for it and what successes ?

Also I have a patch of ornamental yarrow, kind of

a dark pink colored flower. Its potency seems about the

same as the wild white flowered variety. Is there any difference

between the 2 varieties that anyone knows of ?



Thanks for any info.



HD Clinton





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: YARROW

From: Kathryn & George Neff <kgneff@SWTEXAS.NET>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 00:01:16 -0600

--------

Hilton D. Clinton Jr wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> I've used yarrow tea in the past for relief of fever

> with good success. I was wondering  what other

> uses anyone had for it and what successes ?

> Also I have a patch of ornamental yarrow, kind of

> a dark pink colored flower. Its potency seems about the

> same as the wild white flowered variety. Is there any difference

> between the 2 varieties that anyone knows of ?

>

> Thanks for any info.

>

> HD Clinton

Dear Mr. Clinton:

Yes, I have used Yarrow for some time. About ten years ago, I was an

artist painting in a room that wasn't ventilated enough. To make a long

story short, the brush cleaning product, damaged a nerve in my brain

causing it to go into a spasm and shut off a vessel in my brain, causing

a stroke and hemmoraging.  I was paralized on my right side, loss of

right eye muscles and focusing, and global amnesiea(sorry sp?) 18 months

later while I was living in Turkey, I had 13 more strokes, somewhat

smaller, and we discovered that now if I got into exhaust fumes, clorox,

comet clenser,any kind of paint, and many other fumes, I would have

one.  The vessel kept busting and I found no relief from the doctors.

Hence, my study of Herbal Medicine, once I had learned the alphabet and

could study once again.  Yarrow was one of the main herbs that I have

taken which has turned my life around among others.  Yarrow stopped the

small vessels from bleeding so much and would lessen the damage I would

experience. I believe in taking the tea freshly infused. (In this kind

of stroke, I did not have a blood clot). I have made some other changes

and have gone two years without a stroke.  I have to thank Yarrow for a

great healing.  I also use Yarrow at the onset of a cold--first signs--

as it flushes out the kidneys where I find the first congestion sets in

when the kidneys get an overload of a virus.  It helps circulation.  Of

course, I do not have high blood pressure so I can take it.  You should

be careful if you have high blood pressure because Yarrow will elevate

it temporarily, and then balance it.  But if your blood pressure is

normally very high, you would not want to run the risk of even a

temporary elevation.



As for other kinds of Yarrow other than the wild, I cannot help you.

Good Luck,

Kathy Neff





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: YARROW

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 01:13:52 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-16 00:24:17 EST, you write:



<< I've used yarrow tea in the past for relief of fever

 with good success. I was wondering  what other

 uses anyone had for it and what successes ?

 Also I have a patch of ornamental yarrow, kind of

 a dark pink colored flower. Its potency seems about the

 same as the wild white flowered variety. Is there any difference

 between the 2 varieties that anyone knows of ? >>



Yarrow is one of the best herbs in my arsenal of plants, and on top of that

the stalks and flowers dry very well and can be used in flower arrangements!

 It grows practically wild here and there is plenty for the picking.  I can't

imagine doing without it.

It contains:

Volatile oils, coumarins, salicylic acid, triterpenes, alkaloids,

polyacetylenes, flavonoids, sesquiterpene lactones, etc.

It's actions include:

Anti-inflammatory, astringent, antispasomodic, antiallergenic, bitter tonic,

promotes sweating, can lower blood pressure, reduces fever, is a mild

diuretic, antiseptic for skin breaks and wounds and can staunch bleeding, can

stop internal bleeding, and can promote menstruation.



I wouldn't give to anyone under the age of 2 or over the age of 65 without

great caution and starting with very low doses.



One of the best uses of yarrow may be to control heavy menstrual bleeding and

to regulate the menstrual cycle.  It    also helps cramps.



This is just the tip of the iceberg; yarrow is worth all the research you can

do on it, but unfortunately not too many studies have been done.  It

certainly deserves more.



Remember, all the cautions for using herbs would apply to yarrow, it can

exert very powerful effects.

Traiteusse.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: YARROW

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 00:38:04 -0800

--------

At 05:52 PM 3/15/97 -0500,  "Hilton D. Clinton Jr" <Yahu72@aol.com> wrote:

>Hello all,

>I've used yarrow tea in the past for relief of fever

>with good success. I was wondering  what other

>uses anyone had for it and what successes ?

>Also I have a patch of ornamental yarrow, kind of

>a dark pink colored flower. Its potency seems about the

>same as the wild white flowered variety. Is there any difference

>between the 2 varieties that anyone knows of ?

>

>Thanks for any info.

>

>HD Clinton

>

Hello Hilton...



I use Achillea millefolium (yarrow) for numerous applications.  It is a

wonderful astringent for soothing and reducing inflamation of the skin and

stings or bites.  It will help staunch the flow of a nosebleed.  It's also a

nice eyewash for inflamed eyes.  It increases perspiration, so it has

diuretic effects.  Also useful in lowering blood pressure, relaxing spasms.

I use it in a tea blend, also, to help dispell mucus from a cold or flu.  I

have a friend who uses it faithfully for her rheumatoid arthritis.  I only

use the white one medicinally, but I grow other colors because they are such

good fillers in the garden.  I don't know if the other colors are as

effective medicinally, but I tend to stay away from the hybrids for

medicinal uses.    If you grow it, one way to keep it from spreading and

taking over the garden is to bury it in a tall pot (pot and all) to contain

the roots from which the shoots spread.  In our part of the world it is

prolific in the wild, so easily wildcrafted.



Be well,





Marcia Elston     I     Samara Botane     |     Seattle, WA

Manufacturers of Aromatherapy and Herbal products

                                  Herbal Indulgence

                 http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: YARROW

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:25:00 UT

--------

Howie, I thought Ceanothus would lower the platelet count. I am going on

memory and could be wrong, but thought I had picked that up from some of

Michael Moore's stuff



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From:   Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list on behalf of Howie

Brounstein

Sent:   Sunday, March 16, 1997 2:54 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: YARROW



Netters,





>From my class notes, please excuse the formatting:





Compositae Achillea millefolium



Common names:  Yarrow, Milfoil,  [the Trojans (Achilles) and Romans used

Yarrow for their

wounds].



Identification:  Perennial, flat-topped corymbs of heads with white ray

flowers and white disc

flowers, very feathery leaves, and unique smell. Yarrow is identifiable in

leaf or flower.



Habitat:  A circumboreal plant found in disturbed areas and in natural

areas that are disturbed by

weather. This plant is found at the coast, in the coastal mountains, in the

Valley, in the cracks in

the sidewalk, empty lots, native meadows, in the Cascade mountains at all

elevations where it is

disturbed and sunny. I personally like to pick it on the Eastern side of

the mountains in the

Ponderosa and Sagebrush country.  The constant wind and harsh weather

create naturally

disturbed soils throughout the area. Yarrow is found in large quantities

throughout this region.



Associated Plants:  In disturbed areas in the mountainous Pacific

Northwest, Yarrow is found

with Oxeye Daisy, Chrysanthemum leucanthemum,  Fake Dandelion, Hypochaeris

radicata,

Dandelion, Taraxacum officinale, St. John's Wort, Hypericum perforatum.  In

naturally disturbed

areas,  the associated plants depend on the ecosystem.



Tending the stand: This plant is a hardy perennial that is difficult to

eliminate.  In the lawns, if

you mow Yarrow it will bloom under the lawn mower blades.  These stands do

not require tending.

If you are at too small of a stand for your needs, keep walking and leave

the rest for fallow.



Harvesting:  Harvest in flower and gather the whole flowering heads.  You

will not hurt the plants

you harvest, they will grow right back.  You can also harvest the whole

above ground parts

including leaf, stems and flowers.  This adds a bitter quality to the

finished product.  No special

harvesting equipment needed.



Processing:  Yarrow for tincture can be used fresh or dried.  For oils and

salves, you can use the

fresh Yarrow if you wish.  It does not contain much water and will not

cause your oil to go rancid.

For tea, dry the herb.  Fresh poultice of leaf can also be used.  Judge the

quality of your Yarrow by

its smell. For  use with the I Ching, gather straight stalks.



Uses:  Yarrow stops bleeding externally and internally.  Externally use

fresh poultice of the leaf,

oil or salve. You can also treat external bleeding by taking Yarrow

internally.   Use two to four

droppers of tincture.  It is good for nosebleeds. If they are chronic, see

a doctor.  If all else fails,

treat the symptoms by taking Yarrow everyday and lowering the dosage to as

little as possible.

After a while this may become ineffective,  so switch to other blood

coagulants like Ceanothus.



If you are bleeding internally, it is not the time for self treatment with

Yarrow.  Check out an

emergency room with a friend.  In a life or death situation in the

mountains, Yarrow may be a

lifesaver.  Yarrow is also used for heavy menstrual bleeding.  However, it

is symptom treating

only.  I would move to different herbs for the woman's reproductive cycles.

 I personally know a

woman who took Yarrow to stop bleeding after an abortion.  Unfortunately,

this bleeding was part

of the healing process.  Instead of passing blood she passed blood clots.

This is much more

difficult and more likely to promote infection.  She finally had a D&C.

The moral of the story is

do not self treat if you do not know what's wrong.



On the outside, Yarrow, with its mild disinfecting and soothing qualities

should be included in your

arsenal of external herbs for general rashes and skin irritations. It may

work when the others fail on

certain irritations.



Yarrow is a diaphoretic; it makes you sweat.  Yarrow tincture is a sauna in

a bottle.  This can be

useful for cleaning your skin, and unclogging your pores.  This can also be

useful in beginning

stages of colds and flus.  An alterative like Oregon grape root will bring

on the whole cold at the

beginning stages of the cold.  Yarrow, on the other hand, will only bring

on a fever.  This is good

for possibly killing the infection by raising your temperature.  The best

way to use it is a hot cup of

tea followed by a steamy shower, sauna, or bath, then bundle up with lots

of blankets in bed for

another cup of tea and a couple hours of reading a good book, preferably

this one.  Hopefully you

will sweat out the cold before it starts.



When I was a teenager, I heard that Yarrow was good for fevers.  I had a

fever that would not

break for three days.  It may have been more but it was all so dream like

by that time.  Every day

sweat, sweat, sweat.  I would wake up in the night, sheets wet, shivering

cold.  I took Yarrow and

it felt bad inside me. It made me weak and sweat even more.  Yarrow is only

for certain kinds of

fevers.  Yarrow will raise your fever and make you sweat.  This might break

a stubborn dry fever.

However, if the fever is a wet fever to begin with, it will only drain you

of energy.  Know your

herb before you use it.



Yarrow is an aromatic bitter, ideal in increasing peristalsis for mild

stomach indigestion, that

bloated feeling, flatulence, nausea, and excessive eating of heavy foods

during the holidays at your

family's house. Take one dropper of tincture or cup of tea as needed.  If

you steep the flowers only,

you will get an aromatic that tastes good and is not bitter.  If you boil

the flowers by mistake, or if

you use the whole plant, you will have an aromatic bitter that may be

stronger for stomach

problems.



Yarrow is an ancient herb steeped in mythology.  A sacred herb in many

cultures, Yarrow stalks

are used for the I Ching instead of coin.



Yarrow is also used for a variety of eruptive diseases like measles, and

other skin problems.



Related plants:  There are many colors of Yarrow in the ornamental garden.

Though beautiful to

behold, I prefer the white native species.  In general, use the native

species over the ornamental.

The ornamental species are bred for smell or color, not usually for

medicinal value.



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: YARROW

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 11:54:33 -0800

--------

Netters,





>From my class notes, please excuse the formatting:





Compositae Achillea millefolium



Common names:  Yarrow, Milfoil,  [the Trojans (Achilles) and Romans used

Yarrow for their

wounds].



Identification:  Perennial, flat-topped corymbs of heads with white ray

flowers and white disc

flowers, very feathery leaves, and unique smell. Yarrow is identifiable in

leaf or flower.



Habitat:  A circumboreal plant found in disturbed areas and in natural

areas that are disturbed by

weather. This plant is found at the coast, in the coastal mountains, in the

Valley, in the cracks in

the sidewalk, empty lots, native meadows, in the Cascade mountains at all

elevations where it is

disturbed and sunny. I personally like to pick it on the Eastern side of

the mountains in the

Ponderosa and Sagebrush country.  The constant wind and harsh weather

create naturally

disturbed soils throughout the area. Yarrow is found in large quantities

throughout this region.



Associated Plants:  In disturbed areas in the mountainous Pacific

Northwest, Yarrow is found

with Oxeye Daisy, Chrysanthemum leucanthemum,  Fake Dandelion, Hypochaeris

radicata,

Dandelion, Taraxacum officinale, St. John's Wort, Hypericum perforatum.  In

naturally disturbed

areas,  the associated plants depend on the ecosystem.



Tending the stand: This plant is a hardy perennial that is difficult to

eliminate.  In the lawns, if

you mow Yarrow it will bloom under the lawn mower blades.  These stands do

not require tending.

If you are at too small of a stand for your needs, keep walking and leave

the rest for fallow.



Harvesting:  Harvest in flower and gather the whole flowering heads.  You

will not hurt the plants

you harvest, they will grow right back.  You can also harvest the whole

above ground parts

including leaf, stems and flowers.  This adds a bitter quality to the

finished product.  No special

harvesting equipment needed.



Processing:  Yarrow for tincture can be used fresh or dried.  For oils and

salves, you can use the

fresh Yarrow if you wish.  It does not contain much water and will not

cause your oil to go rancid.

For tea, dry the herb.  Fresh poultice of leaf can also be used.  Judge the

quality of your Yarrow by

its smell. For  use with the I Ching, gather straight stalks.



Uses:  Yarrow stops bleeding externally and internally.  Externally use

fresh poultice of the leaf,

oil or salve. You can also treat external bleeding by taking Yarrow

internally.   Use two to four

droppers of tincture.  It is good for nosebleeds. If they are chronic, see

a doctor.  If all else fails,

treat the symptoms by taking Yarrow everyday and lowering the dosage to as

little as possible.

After a while this may become ineffective,  so switch to other blood

coagulants like Ceanothus.



If you are bleeding internally, it is not the time for self treatment with

Yarrow.  Check out an

emergency room with a friend.  In a life or death situation in the

mountains, Yarrow may be a

lifesaver.  Yarrow is also used for heavy menstrual bleeding.  However, it

is symptom treating

only.  I would move to different herbs for the woman's reproductive cycles.

 I personally know a

woman who took Yarrow to stop bleeding after an abortion.  Unfortunately,

this bleeding was part

of the healing process.  Instead of passing blood she passed blood clots.

This is much more

difficult and more likely to promote infection.  She finally had a D&C.

The moral of the story is

do not self treat if you do not know what's wrong.



On the outside, Yarrow, with its mild disinfecting and soothing qualities

should be included in your

arsenal of external herbs for general rashes and skin irritations. It may

work when the others fail on

certain irritations.



Yarrow is a diaphoretic; it makes you sweat.  Yarrow tincture is a sauna in

a bottle.  This can be

useful for cleaning your skin, and unclogging your pores.  This can also be

useful in beginning

stages of colds and flus.  An alterative like Oregon grape root will bring

on the whole cold at the

beginning stages of the cold.  Yarrow, on the other hand, will only bring

on a fever.  This is good

for possibly killing the infection by raising your temperature.  The best

way to use it is a hot cup of

tea followed by a steamy shower, sauna, or bath, then bundle up with lots

of blankets in bed for

another cup of tea and a couple hours of reading a good book, preferably

this one.  Hopefully you

will sweat out the cold before it starts.



When I was a teenager, I heard that Yarrow was good for fevers.  I had a

fever that would not

break for three days.  It may have been more but it was all so dream like

by that time.  Every day

sweat, sweat, sweat.  I would wake up in the night, sheets wet, shivering

cold.  I took Yarrow and

it felt bad inside me. It made me weak and sweat even more.  Yarrow is only

for certain kinds of

fevers.  Yarrow will raise your fever and make you sweat.  This might break

a stubborn dry fever.

However, if the fever is a wet fever to begin with, it will only drain you

of energy.  Know your

herb before you use it.



Yarrow is an aromatic bitter, ideal in increasing peristalsis for mild

stomach indigestion, that

bloated feeling, flatulence, nausea, and excessive eating of heavy foods

during the holidays at your

family's house. Take one dropper of tincture or cup of tea as needed.  If

you steep the flowers only,

you will get an aromatic that tastes good and is not bitter.  If you boil

the flowers by mistake, or if

you use the whole plant, you will have an aromatic bitter that may be

stronger for stomach

problems.



Yarrow is an ancient herb steeped in mythology.  A sacred herb in many

cultures, Yarrow stalks

are used for the I Ching instead of coin.



Yarrow is also used for a variety of eruptive diseases like measles, and

other skin problems.



Related plants:  There are many colors of Yarrow in the ornamental garden.

Though beautiful to

behold, I prefer the white native species.  In general, use the native

species over the ornamental.

The ornamental species are bred for smell or color, not usually for

medicinal value.



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: YARROW

From: Rafael Melendez <Graftonnd@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:15:13 -0500

--------

Could you please elaborate on Ceanothus and other blood coagulants?

I am looking for sources that increase platelet population perhaps by

stimulating megakaryocyte production in the bone marrow or otherwise.



Thank you,



Grafton





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: YARROW

From: David <dhard@POSTOFFICE.PTD.NET>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 02:11:58 +0200

--------

Guys,

I'll add that it's my understanding ceanothus increases circulation

especially pelvic circulation in part due to it's ability to influence the

charge on lymphatic fluids. Also picked that up from Michael Moore.



Dave









>Howie, I thought Ceanothus would lower the platelet count. I am going on

>memory and could be wrong, but thought I had picked that up from some of

>Michael Moore's stuff

>

>----------

>From:   Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list on behalf of Howie

>Brounstein

>Sent:   Sunday, March 16, 1997 2:54 PM

>To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

>Subject:        Re: YARROW

>

>Netters,

>

>

>>From my class notes, please excuse the formatting:

>

>

>Compositae Achillea millefolium

>

>Common names:  Yarrow, Milfoil,  [the Trojans (Achilles) and Romans used

>Yarrow for their

>wounds].

>

>Identification:  Perennial, flat-topped corymbs of heads with white ray

>flowers and white disc

>flowers, very feathery leaves, and unique smell. Yarrow is identifiable in

>leaf or flower.

>

>Habitat:  A circumboreal plant found in disturbed areas and in natural

>areas that are disturbed by

>weather. This plant is found at the coast, in the coastal mountains, in the

>Valley, in the cracks in

>the sidewalk, empty lots, native meadows, in the Cascade mountains at all

>elevations where it is

>disturbed and sunny. I personally like to pick it on the Eastern side of

>the mountains in the

>Ponderosa and Sagebrush country.  The constant wind and harsh weather

>create naturally

>disturbed soils throughout the area. Yarrow is found in large quantities

>throughout this region.

>

>Associated Plants:  In disturbed areas in the mountainous Pacific

>Northwest, Yarrow is found

>with Oxeye Daisy, Chrysanthemum leucanthemum,  Fake Dandelion, Hypochaeris

>radicata,

>Dandelion, Taraxacum officinale, St. John's Wort, Hypericum perforatum.  In

>naturally disturbed

>areas,  the associated plants depend on the ecosystem.

>

>Tending the stand: This plant is a hardy perennial that is difficult to

>eliminate.  In the lawns, if

>you mow Yarrow it will bloom under the lawn mower blades.  These stands do

>not require tending.

>If you are at too small of a stand for your needs, keep walking and leave

>the rest for fallow.

>

>Harvesting:  Harvest in flower and gather the whole flowering heads.  You

>will not hurt the plants

>you harvest, they will grow right back.  You can also harvest the whole

>above ground parts

>including leaf, stems and flowers.  This adds a bitter quality to the

>finished product.  No special

>harvesting equipment needed.

>

>Processing:  Yarrow for tincture can be used fresh or dried.  For oils and

>salves, you can use the

>fresh Yarrow if you wish.  It does not contain much water and will not

>cause your oil to go rancid.

>For tea, dry the herb.  Fresh poultice of leaf can also be used.  Judge the

>quality of your Yarrow by

>its smell. For  use with the I Ching, gather straight stalks.

>

>Uses:  Yarrow stops bleeding externally and internally.  Externally use

>fresh poultice of the leaf,

>oil or salve. You can also treat external bleeding by taking Yarrow

>internally.   Use two to four

>droppers of tincture.  It is good for nosebleeds. If they are chronic, see

>a doctor.  If all else fails,

>treat the symptoms by taking Yarrow everyday and lowering the dosage to as

>little as possible.

>After a while this may become ineffective,  so switch to other blood

>coagulants like Ceanothus.

>

>If you are bleeding internally, it is not the time for self treatment with

>Yarrow.  Check out an

>emergency room with a friend.  In a life or death situation in the

>mountains, Yarrow may be a

>lifesaver.  Yarrow is also used for heavy menstrual bleeding.  However, it

>is symptom treating

>only.  I would move to different herbs for the woman's reproductive cycles.

> I personally know a

>woman who took Yarrow to stop bleeding after an abortion.  Unfortunately,

>this bleeding was part

>of the healing process.  Instead of passing blood she passed blood clots.

>This is much more

>difficult and more likely to promote infection.  She finally had a D&C.

>The moral of the story is

>do not self treat if you do not know what's wrong.

>

>On the outside, Yarrow, with its mild disinfecting and soothing qualities

>should be included in your

>arsenal of external herbs for general rashes and skin irritations. It may

>work when the others fail on

>certain irritations.

>

>Yarrow is a diaphoretic; it makes you sweat.  Yarrow tincture is a sauna in

>a bottle.  This can be

>useful for cleaning your skin, and unclogging your pores.  This can also be

>useful in beginning

>stages of colds and flus.  An alterative like Oregon grape root will bring

>on the whole cold at the

>beginning stages of the cold.  Yarrow, on the other hand, will only bring

>on a fever.  This is good

>for possibly killing the infection by raising your temperature.  The best

>way to use it is a hot cup of

>tea followed by a steamy shower, sauna, or bath, then bundle up with lots

>of blankets in bed for

>another cup of tea and a couple hours of reading a good book, preferably

>this one.  Hopefully you

>will sweat out the cold before it starts.

>

>When I was a teenager, I heard that Yarrow was good for fevers.  I had a

>fever that would not

>break for three days.  It may have been more but it was all so dream like

>by that time.  Every day

>sweat, sweat, sweat.  I would wake up in the night, sheets wet, shivering

>cold.  I took Yarrow and

>it felt bad inside me. It made me weak and sweat even more.  Yarrow is only

>for certain kinds of

>fevers.  Yarrow will raise your fever and make you sweat.  This might break

>a stubborn dry fever.

>However, if the fever is a wet fever to begin with, it will only drain you

>of energy.  Know your

>herb before you use it.

>

>Yarrow is an aromatic bitter, ideal in increasing peristalsis for mild

>stomach indigestion, that

>bloated feeling, flatulence, nausea, and excessive eating of heavy foods

>during the holidays at your

>family's house. Take one dropper of tincture or cup of tea as needed.  If

>you steep the flowers only,

>you will get an aromatic that tastes good and is not bitter.  If you boil

>the flowers by mistake, or if

>you use the whole plant, you will have an aromatic bitter that may be

>stronger for stomach

>problems.

>

>Yarrow is an ancient herb steeped in mythology.  A sacred herb in many

>cultures, Yarrow stalks

>are used for the I Ching instead of coin.

>

>Yarrow is also used for a variety of eruptive diseases like measles, and

>other skin problems.

>

>Related plants:  There are many colors of Yarrow in the ornamental garden.

>Though beautiful to

>behold, I prefer the white native species.  In general, use the native

>species over the ornamental.

>The ornamental species are bred for smell or color, not usually for

>medicinal value.

>

>Howie Brounstein

>howieb@teleport.com

>http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html

>

>"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: YARROW

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:29:49 -0900

--------

At 05:52 PM 3/15/97 -0500, Hilton D. Clinton Jr wrote:

>Hello all,

>I've used yarrow tea in the past for relief of fever

>with good success. I was wondering  what other

>uses anyone had for it and what successes ?

>Also I have a patch of ornamental yarrow, kind of

>a dark pink colored flower. Its potency seems about the

>same as the wild white flowered variety. Is there any difference

>between the 2 varieties that anyone knows of ?

>

>Thanks for any info.

>

>HD Clinton

>

>

I've used Yarrow for colds, flu, congestion, rashes, in healing creams and

salves, to repel mosquitoes, to put on bruises or cuts to stop bleeding.

One friend had a bloody nose and gently inserted a leaf in the nostril

which stopped the bleeding.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: YARROW

From: Barbara Bettencourt <Bjbetten@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:43:58 -0500

--------

Does anyone know if it's high in potassium.  I am on a low potassium diet.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: YARROW

From: eric feingold <eric@INTERBOOK.NET>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 13:28:36 +0100

--------

At 21:43 16/03/97 -0500, you wrote:





>Does anyone know if it's high in potassium.  I am on a low potassium diet.

>



Just curious here Barbara,

What is the purpose of the low-potassium diet? Is this on medical advice.



regards,       eric





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Coffee

From: Kelly Kerr <Kelly_Kerr@MINDLINK.BC.CA>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:22:00 -0800

--------

I am new on this list and not very experienced with herbal and holistic

healing.  I know that many homeopaths and naturopaths encourage people to

give up coffee, but could somebody please explain why drinking coffee

depletes the immune system.



Thanks,



Kelly





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fibromyalgia

From: Cherie Capps <herbs@ORDATA.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 15:47:26 -0800

--------

I have taught classes on FM and also worked with people with it, so will

share some of the information I have.  My heart goes out to the poor

sufferers of this condition.

I will mention an herbal formula, but I find the best 1st step is to do

as much of a tissue cleansing program as can be handled.  Some can do a

3-day juice fast and found that they have not felt that good for years.

Any amount of cleansing helps even if it is just a raw food day or

drinking lemon juice and water thruout the day. Just make sure you do

not do this too fast, and pull too many toxins out for the body to

handle at one time.  If very uncomfortable symptoms manifest, cut back

with some food before continuing.  And don't try it if you are really

weak. Also, hot steam baths (epsom salts) is effect as is constitutional

hydrotherapy, or just putting on an old T-shirt wrung out in cold water

after a hot shower and covering up with blankets until the shirt is warm

(everyday for 2 weeks).  Castor oil rubbed on the sore muscles or as a

pack for 1 hr. sometimes helps.  One or 2 days of just raw foods every

week or so helps maintain after the fast.

Exercise, even if it is not too comfortable.

Malic acid and magnesium are 2 valuble supplements to take.  Not sure

about dosage of malic acid (check the label) but take magnesium to bowel

tolerance - 500-600 mg daily.

Massage helps alot if you have someone who knows how to work on FM.  It

must be VERY gentle but effective.  I wouldn't do Chiropractic unless

there was a definite spinal or bone problem.  Acupuncture may help.

Herbs: I use the following combination as a general tonic and muscle

anti-inflammatory.  Vervain (3 parts), Liccorice (2), Black Cohosh (2),

Prickly Ash (2), Cleavers (1), Devils Claw (1), Celery seed (1).

For sleep, a tincture of equal parts valerian, passion flower, Jamaican

dogwood, chamomile.  It is very important to try to improve restorative

sleep, since lack of sleep alone can cause muscle pain.

Hope this helps.  Feel free to contact me if you have questions.

Cherie Capps

Center for Herbal Studies

herbs@ordata.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibromyalgia

From: Mary McGibbon <MMcgibbon@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 20:09:28 -0500

--------

Thanks for all the info.  I'd be interested in trying the 3 day fast.   Where

can I find more info on how to do this most successfully and safely?

Thanks again,

Mary





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Containers

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 22:39:51 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-15 22:37:16 EST, you write:



<< Looking in the yellow pages will probably yield you nothing, unless

  you're located in a huge metropolitan area.   >>



 Actually, I've found them in rather small metropolitan areas, but another

 source is Frontier Herbs-They sell them out of their catalogue, which they

 will send you for free.  Their address is:

 P.O. Box 299

 Norway IA 522318

 or call them toll-free at:

 1-800-786-1388



 They are a little higher than container suppliers that sell nothing else,

but

 still fairly reasonable.

 Traiteusse

No Commercial Interest





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Containers

From: Kathie Turner <Kathie1st@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:11:07 -0500

--------

I would like to ask, does anyone know of a good source in the Los Angeles

(West) area for herbs in the form that are being recommended?  I am new to

this, although I've tried the ones over the counter.  I suspect the quality

is different.



Thanks,



Kathie





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Asthma

From: Pat Cassady <AngelicMom@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 15 Mar 1997 23:33:13 -0500

--------

I also suffer from ASTHMA.....  first check environmental factors, ie.  car,

fumes, heat system, dusts....cleaning products,  any inhalents,    grass,

smoke, flowers, seasonal allergies.

Second, get tested by an allergist to find out your sensitivities......Also

Triggers...

I also have alot of food allergies,   so I kept a diary of food eaten and the

timeframe and incidence and severity of the attack, to recognize which things

to avoid.  I had to make my CAT become an outside pet,  and get rid of things

he slept on, and also keep him from the heating system...intake and returns.

 I also get shots, including cat and dust, and the  pollens which change for

the seasons.......

I am also seeing a lung specialist  who keeps me on medications...also, a BIG

CULPRIT of my attacks...Allergic to ASPIRIN so I see a chiropractor for any

pains

and headaches instead of the "over the counter" stuff....

Good Luck..





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Asthma

From: Daniela Lowe <danlowe@OVERNET.COM.AR>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 15:23:33 -0300

--------

I know this is an old message, but my kid of elven years old, Dario,wanted

to write to you, on account of his own asthma,thanks for your attention.

Daniela.



Hello Im Dario and I have asthma,I want to tell you that in my life I haved

drink a lot of medications that  doctors told me to.the drugs were:Teosona

300;Berotec;and now I'm trying with areochamber and Ventide in spray.



My mother took me also to an homeopathy doctor tha gave me "Sulphur 3LM "

During 1 year I took this drops up to 12LM.Then this drops didn't make me

any more effect. So now I'd to return to the "idiot doctors"as PAUL sayd.



I like fruits and many vegetables.I like desserts, ice-creams and

chocolates, cakes and all the things that you say we don't have to eat.I

want to know if you can help me.Id like to loose waight and (of course ) the

asthma.I have 11 years old ,I waight 46,5 kg and I'm 1.50 mt high.



I wouldn't like to stop eating fruits and desserts becose I like them very much.



my bests wishesAND THANK YOU:

                                 DARIO.                       HAPPY EASTER.

Dario Altman

Buenos Aires, Argentina.

-Son of Daniela Lowe-



>Broken record time, but tell her to stop eating fruit and fruit juice. Reduce

>the internal Dampness, reduce the disease.

>

>Paul

>

>

Danielita



danlowe@overnet.com.ar

Buenos Aires

Argentina



Spring, summer, fall, and winter, are as the cycles of our lives, we can

find a spring, a summer, an autumm, and a winter, in every turn of our road.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: rosacea

From: David <dhard@POSTOFFICE.PTD.NET>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 18:07:55 +0200

--------

Howdy Folks,



I'm looking for information on "rosacea" particularly when it shows in the

cheek bone area. I understand that one interpretation of its etiology is

that it is bacterial thus the MD approach of using the antibiotic. Accepting

this in part then I would assume a topical treatment of say a wash of

Hydrastis and Tee tree oil may be appropriate. I appreciate a sharing of any

experience in this area of treatment.



I also feel there must be an energetic component to be understood as well.

My question here is, is there a common denominator such as heat in the lungs

due to various other problems such as deficient spleen or are the energetics

too diverse to make a general interpretation? Or is this really strictly an

external pernicious influence?



David

TIA





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: rosacea

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:15:43 GMT

--------

> I'm looking for information on "rosacea" particularly when it shows in the

> cheek bone area. I understand that one interpretation of its etiology is

> that it is bacterial thus the MD approach of using the antibiotic.



God is that stupid. VERY close to braindead.



>Accepting

> this in part then I would assume a topical treatment of say a wash of

> Hydrastis and Tee tree oil may be appropriate. I appreciate a sharing of

any

> experience in this area of treatment.

>

> I also feel there must be an energetic component to be understood as well.

> My question here is, is there a common denominator such as heat in the

lungs

> due to various other problems such as deficient spleen or are the

energetics

> too diverse to make a general interpretation? Or is this really strictly an

> external pernicious influence?



Cheeks? Heat in the Stomach Channel, and that means Organ too. Yes, deficient

Spleen is one way the Stomach gets Hot. There are several others.



__Syndrome differentiation...PULLLEEZE.__ Let's not fall into the

anti-holistic spin of conventional medicine, as if they have a CLUE what is

going on.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: rosacea

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:12:56 -0900

--------

At 06:07 PM 3/16/97 +0200, David wrote:

>Howdy Folks,

>

>I'm looking for information on "rosacea" particularly when it shows in the

>cheek bone area. I understand that one interpretation of its etiology is

>that it is bacterial thus the MD approach of using the antibiotic. Accepting

>this in part then I would assume a topical treatment of say a wash of

>Hydrastis and Tee tree oil may be appropriate. I appreciate a sharing of any

>experience in this area of treatment.

>

>I also feel there must be an energetic component to be understood as well.

>My question here is, is there a common denominator such as heat in the lungs

>due to various other problems such as deficient spleen or are the energetics

>too diverse to make a general interpretation? Or is this really strictly an

>external pernicious influence?

>

>David

>TIA

>

>

When eruptions are present, I generally recommend diaphoretics such as

yarrow, boneset, peppermint, etc. (Esp. Yarrow). They can be used both

internally and externally for relief.  These work well in measles, chicken

pox, and even in strange rashes that nobody knows where they came from.

Drinking lots of water is important.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Caffeine??

From: "Bernadette M.Skoczylas" <Bskoczy@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 15:27:18 -0500

--------

i have no medical basis for this "controversy" but I have my daily 4 cups of

caffeine and though i am approaching 50 in May and have gained weight since

my "younger days", my blood pressure has always been low (98/60 is my

average)...should I worry?! Bern from PA





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: increase in platelets

From: Rafael Melendez <Graftonnd@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:10:27 -0500

--------

Can anyone suggest herbs that might have an effect in increasing

megakaryocytes thus increasing the number of platelets in the blood to

provide for proper coagulation?

Thank you.



Grafton





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: More Ladies only questions: Urinary Tract Infection and Yeast

              Infection...

From: KS & PDW & CJC <wikkakat@ATCON.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 17:14:12 -0400

--------

Can you suggest herbs or herbal mixtures, preferably tea, that can be

used to ease the sympstoms of a urinary tract infection? (also to

prevent future recurrence?)



How about Yeast infections?



Thanks



Karen

wikkakat@atcon.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: More Ladies only questions: Urinary Tract Infection and Yeast

              Infection...

From: Duncan MacLeod of the Clan MacLeod <ejanison@TWD.NET>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 16:22:50 -0500

--------

I'm not a female, but here's my .02 worth...



My grandmother drinks cranberry juice several times per day for her kidneys

and urinary tract.  Try it :-]



At 05:14 PM 3/16/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Can you suggest herbs or herbal mixtures, preferably tea, that can be

>used to ease the sympstoms of a urinary tract infection? (also to

>prevent future recurrence?)

>

>How about Yeast infections?

>

>Thanks

>

>Karen

>wikkakat@atcon.com

>

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: More Ladies only questions: Urinary Tract Infection and Yeast

              Infection...

From: Penny Harris <ONECENT36@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:16:58 -0500

--------

For urinary Tract Infection and Yeast Infection I always use  a HOT HOT

ginger bath

sitting in a ginger bath will allow your body to sweat out the infection and

will leave

you very weak it is vital that you have some one to help you out of the tub.

 This needs to be soaked in until the water is cold and you WILL SWEAT  there

are also accupressure points that are on your feet and hands fingertips that

will help your body to relieve the infection ....This has worked very well

for me????????





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: More Ladies only questions: Urinary Tract Infection and Yeast

              Infection...

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:48:48 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-16 16:42:18 EST, you write:



<<  ease the sympstoms of a urinary tract infection? >>

Make a decoction of 1 part each of : marshmallow root, cornsilk,couch

grass,horsetail and bearberry and 1/2 part buchu. Take 4-5 times daily. Try

to keep urine  alkaline with a vegetarian diet, drink plenty of water, wear

cotton underwear, urinate after sexual intercourse, do NOT use feminine

deodorant sprays or powders and shower instead of taking baths. NEVER USE

BUBBLE BATH PRODUCTS and when traveling long distances urinate frequently and

always wash your hands BEFORE entering the stall as well as afterwards.

 (Urine is normally sterile within the body ; it picks up bacteria on the way

down the urethra.)Luvlylin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: More Ladies only questions: Urinary Tract Infection and Yeast

              Infection...

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:20:18 -0900

--------

At 12:48 PM 3/22/97 -0500, User Linda C. wrote:

>In a message dated 97-03-16 16:42:18 EST, you write:

>

><<  ease the sympstoms of a urinary tract infection? >>

>Make a decoction of 1 part each of : marshmallow root, cornsilk,couch

>grass,horsetail and bearberry and 1/2 part buchu. Take 4-5 times daily. Try

>to keep urine  alkaline with a vegetarian diet,



This combination may be too driving for a person with chronic urinary tract

infections.  It is important not to drive the kidneys.  Leaving out the Uva

Ursi can help, or reduce the amount alot. They can become weakened and more

susceptable to infection later.  Also, the urine should be more acidic, not

alkaline, to prevent infection.

The drinking of water can help flush the toxins from the bladder and kidney.



drink plenty of water, wear

>cotton underwear, urinate after sexual intercourse,



Vinegar douches can help balance the ph of the vagina.  Sperm is alkaline.



do NOT use feminine

>deodorant sprays or powders and shower instead of taking baths. NEVER USE

>BUBBLE BATH PRODUCTS and when traveling long distances urinate frequently



Urinate when you need to regardless of where you are.  Many people are

restricted to access to restrooms by their work schedule.  Make sure your

superiors know you MUST urinate frequently and do so.  Do not let your

bladder get inflammed with infected urine.



and

>always wash your hands BEFORE entering the stall as well as afterwards.

> (Urine is normally sterile within the body ; it picks up bacteria on the way

>down the urethra.)Luvlylin

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbs in LA, was Re(2): Containers

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:15:16 GMT

--------

> I would like to ask, does anyone know of a good source in the Los Angeles

> (West) area for herbs in the form that are being recommended?  I am new to

> this, although I've tried the ones over the counter.  I suspect the quality

> is different.



One great place for bulk herbs is Svetlana Herbs, on Fairfax. Excellent

assortment of Western, Chinese, and Ayurvedic herbs. I have no financial

relationship with the store, but it is across from Cantor's, so I'm there

fairly often.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fruit fly pests.......

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 23:23:55 GMT

--------

> My grandmother used to make a decoction of tobacco for ridding her

> houseplants of aphids.  She would spray the plants with a mild solution and

> pour some on the soil to kill any there.



This is a dangerous practice. Nicotine is quite deadly in surprisingly small

doses (given that people smoke and survive).



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fruit fly pests.......

From: "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@MAIL.ORION.ORG>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 08:36:08 -0600

--------

On Fri, 14 Mar 1997, Janelle wrote:

>

>     A friend recently gave me 3 big beautiful house plants, which she

> said, are ridden with fruit flys, she feels they came in the new potting

> soil she bought.  She had been using Raid to rid the plants of flys, it

> seemed to get rid of most, but I still see a few floating about, near

> the base of the plant.  Today, I put chopped garlic in a perforated bag

> and set the bag amongst the leaves of the worst plant, hopefully it will

> do the trick.  Any other herbs to repel fruit flys?  Prehaps a decoction

> to pour over the soil?  Look forward to your replys.  Thanks in advance.



I use cayenne pepper, a little dish soap and water.  Spray on the

plants.  Make it very weak at first, test a little on one leaf to check

for plant dammage.  Many insects can also be killed with Beneficial

Nematodes added to the soil.



Stephen J. Marsden, Herbal Advantage, Inc.

Route 3, Box 93

Rogersville, MO 65742-9214

Phone: 800-753-9199, Fax: 417-753-2000

SMARSDEN@MAIL.ORION.ORG

www.HerbalAdvantage.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fruit fly pests.......

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 11:50:58 -0900

--------

At 11:23 PM 3/16/97 GMT, Paul Iannone wrote:

>> My grandmother used to make a decoction of tobacco for ridding her

>> houseplants of aphids.  She would spray the plants with a mild solution and

>> pour some on the soil to kill any there.

>

>This is a dangerous practice. Nicotine is quite deadly in surprisingly small

>doses (given that people smoke and survive).

>

>Paul

>

>

Which is why I suggest that it not be used on vegetables to be eaten.  But

there are alternatives.  I just thought this might be interesting.  Perhaps

planting some marigolds nearby would be effective?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fruit fly pests.......

From: JohnA <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:40:53 -0800

--------

To any and all.



I am in my second day of caffeine withdrawal. Cold turkey.

It is not  fun....feeling all out of whack and headachy.

I almost never get headaches either.



I am taking for truth some of the negatives written here against

caffeine.



I bought some natural teas and they are wonderful.



I just need to have hot drinks...I am not sure why.



Now, I have asked for help on my stuffy congested nasal passages

before but recieved no help.



Is that because there is no treatment via herbs for such a condition?



I know that hot sauce opens my nostrils for a time...but not for long.



I really don't like having to rely on sudephedrine to be able to

breathe semi-freely through my nose.



All help appreciated.



John A





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fruit fly pests.......

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:50:34 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-17 19:56:12 EST, you write:



<<

 Now, I have asked for help on my stuffy congested nasal passages

 before but recieved no help.



 Is that because there is no treatment via herbs for such a condition?



 I know that hot sauce opens my nostrils for a time...but not for long.



 I really don't like having to rely on sudephedrine to be able to

 breathe semi-freely through my nose.



 All help appreciated.



------------------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------



John,



If it were me, I would be looking for the reason behind the congestion and

stuffiness. Do you have allergies? Have you identified the allergies and

eliminated those that you can?



Homeopathy could certainly help you. And the very best would be to go to a

classical homeopathic doc. However, in the meantime, go to your local health

store and check out the homeopathic remedies to see if you can find one that

matches your symptoms. Whatever you do or don't do, get rid of the sudafed.



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fruit fly pests.......

From: Penny Harris <ONECENT36@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 15:14:26 -0500

--------

John it has been suggested here on this site to use nettle for stuffyness you

might also try echinacea with golden seal  GoodLuck





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Chickweed

From: "LINDA M. LIEB" <lmlieb@MSSCC.MED.UTAH.EDU>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:04:38 -0600

--------

A questions about chickweed.  What is it used for?





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chickweed

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:20:29 -0900

--------

At 07:04 PM 3/16/97 -0600, LINDA M. LIEB wrote:

>A questions about chickweed.  What is it used for?

>

>

Stellaria media is demulcent, emolient, resolvent, and pecoral.  It is used

as a green vegetable.  It is useful in inflammtion of the lungs, bronchi,

bowels or stomach.  It helps bleeding of lungs or bowels and is used in

asthma and bronchitis.  Good or peritonitis too due to its demulcent and

emolient properties.  Other things listed: blood poisonion, swollen

testicles, tumors, inflammed surfaces, skin diseases, erysipelas, eruptions

of the skin, sores, burning and itching of genitilia (ointment).

Needless to say, a most wonderful herb.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chickweed

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:18:17 GMT

--------

On Sun, 16 Mar 1997 19:20:29 -0900, Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>At 07:04 PM 3/16/97 -0600, LINDA M. LIEB wrote:

>>A questions about chickweed.  What is it used for?

>>

>Stellaria media is demulcent, emolient, resolvent, and pecoral.  

>

>It is used as a green vegetable.  

(snip)



The taste isn't so good though; I'd say a bit harsh. Rather stringy, too.



But this works: if you are stung by something (like nettles, or bugs), squeeze a

bit of lush Stellaria, and rub the juice you get on the itchy spot.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ceanothus

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 17:55:38 -0800

--------

At 07:25 PM 3/16/97 UT, you wrote:

>Howie, I thought Ceanothus would lower the platelet count. I am going on

>memory and could be wrong, but thought I had picked that up from some of

>Michael Moore's stuff

>



I'm not sure about its platelet count effects, but if you read further down

the Michael's page you will also see that it is used for nose bleeds. Going

back to one of the Medicinal Plants of the ... series, you will see that it

was used as a blood coagulant at one time, also in one of the old editions

of Tyler's Pharmocognosy. However, it's results were unpredictable,

unreliable.



Is it possible it both clots blood in a nose bleed and thins blood in other

places? Sure. Perhaps it acts differently in different people. It is not

unusual for an herb to have contradictory effects depending on the person

taking it, and even contradictory effects depending on how the person's

body is at that time vs. another time.



There are a number of herbs that increase circulation, yet clot blood.



OK, since most people believe Michael unquestioningly, I'll quote from MMPW:



"Red Root has been used experimentally to improve blood coagulation (in

people) and as an anticaogulant (in vetenary medicine). Both uses have been

discarded, since the effects are tonic to the blood proteins and have no

predictable effect in medical practice."



end quote.



To clarify, I have first hand experience over a fifteen year stretch with

numerous people, using ceanothus and yarrow as the primary "bandaid" herbs

for occasional and chronic nosebleeds with no major underlying pathologies,

and these herbs have worked well.







Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ceanothus

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:52:43 UT

--------

I'm not questiong you I just thought I would throw that in,anyway the reason I

said that about the platelett count was because I had called him several years

ago about a high platelett count and he named red root and oxe-daisy saying it

might have some effect on the spleen and help with the platelett count.

Thanks   John   J2030@msn.com



----------

From:   Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list on behalf of Howie

Brounstein

Sent:   Sunday, March 16, 1997 8:55 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Ceanothus



At 07:25 PM 3/16/97 UT, you wrote:

>Howie, I thought Ceanothus would lower the platelet count. I am going on

>memory and could be wrong, but thought I had picked that up from some of

>Michael Moore's stuff

>



I'm not sure about its platelet count effects, but if you read further down

the Michael's page you will also see that it is used for nose bleeds. Going

back to one of the Medicinal Plants of the ... series, you will see that it

was used as a blood coagulant at one time, also in one of the old editions

of Tyler's Pharmocognosy. However, it's results were unpredictable,

unreliable.



Is it possible it both clots blood in a nose bleed and thins blood in other

places? Sure. Perhaps it acts differently in different people. It is not

unusual for an herb to have contradictory effects depending on the person

taking it, and even contradictory effects depending on how the person's

body is at that time vs. another time.



There are a number of herbs that increase circulation, yet clot blood.



OK, since most people believe Michael unquestioningly, I'll quote from MMPW:



"Red Root has been used experimentally to improve blood coagulation (in

people) and as an anticaogulant (in vetenary medicine). Both uses have been

discarded, since the effects are tonic to the blood proteins and have no

predictable effect in medical practice."



end quote.



To clarify, I have first hand experience over a fifteen year stretch with

numerous people, using ceanothus and yarrow as the primary "bandaid" herbs

for occasional and chronic nosebleeds with no major underlying pathologies,

and these herbs have worked well.







Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ceanothus

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 19:13:11 -0800

--------

At 10:52 PM 3/17/97 UT, John Foster wrote:

>I'm not questiong you I just thought I would throw that in,anyway the

reason I

>said that about the platelett count was because I had called him several

years

>ago about a high platelett count and he named red root and oxe-daisy

saying it

>might have some effect on the spleen and help with the platelett count.

>Thanks   John   J2030@msn.com

>



My apologies, John. Email doesn't convey mood very well. Upon re-reading

the letter, it appears harsh. No flame intended. And by the way, I am wrong

at times. That's the joy of listservs ..... you can't get away with making

mistakes without others catching it!







Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: increase in platelets-OFF TOPIC

From: Barbara Bettencourt <Bjbetten@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 16 Mar 1997 21:53:30 -0500

--------

I warned in the heading that this was off-topic so please forgive me Paul.



Ask your doctor about Thombopoetin (a hormone the encourages platelet

production).  It is the only thing that worked for me during chemo (although

experimental at the time).  It has just been (or is soon to be approved).



It's also the kind of thing that you have to research yourself and tell your

doctor.



Barb





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cramp bark tea AND wholistic reminder

From: Midge Jolly <Midgewife@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 02:55:56 -0500

--------

<< ubject: Re: Cramp bark tea.....ugh



 At 09:08 AM 3/15/97 -0500, Paula King wrote:

 > I just made some cramp bark tea. ...I had to toss it. What herbs can be

 > mixed with it to make it tolerable? Is ten min. too long?



Most likely, yes...several minutes is probably appropriate...when you can

smell the aroma of the oils the tea is 'activated'.



Anita writes:

 >The other aspect is that by rejecting the

 flavor of the herb you are, in part, rejecting some of it's healing

 properties.

 I've found that the elegance of taking medicine, bitter taste and all, by

 mouth, well rewarded in successful healing.

 Remember, the bitterness is part of the healing. >>





thank you, thank you for that wholistic reminder...especially appropriate for

me in this moment of reading....blessings....midge, midwife in florida





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Black vs. White Horehound

From: "'Barbara Birkinbine'" <Thegarrys@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 09:47:43 -0500

--------

I know that black horehound (Ballota nigra) is good for nausea relief

associated with motion sickness.  I was wondering if it was possible to

substitute white horehound (Marrubium vulgare) and get the same results?  The

black horehound smells bad.  Thanks for any help you can give me.  Barb





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: mollesca contagiousum

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:42:19 -0500

--------

My son was just diagnosed with this virus.I have tried tea tree,echinacea

internally,externally and also astragalus root..A dermatologist has

suggested using retin-a on each blister to irritate them...Any suggestions?



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: mollesca contagiousum

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:53:27 GMT

--------

> My son was just diagnosed with this virus.I have tried tea tree,echinacea

> internally,externally and also astragalus root..A dermatologist has

> suggested using retin-a on each blister to irritate them...Any suggestions?



Constitutional homeopathy, and stay as far away from dermatologists as

humanly possible. One of the most dangerous class of quacks on this planet.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: mollesca contagiousum

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:51:47 -0900

--------

At 04:42 PM 3/17/97 -0500, Lisa Saul wrote:

>My son was just diagnosed with this virus.I have tried tea tree,echinacea

>internally,externally and also astragalus root..A dermatologist has

>suggested using retin-a on each blister to irritate them...Any suggestions?

>

>Lisa

>Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

>http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html

>

>

Can you give more information on this virus?  You can e-mail me privately

if you like.  I have never heard of this virus.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: mollesca contagiousum

From: Eileen Coppola <E5jc6@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 22:17:32 -0500

--------

Molluscum contagiosum--  Superficial condyloma(similar to warts)

They are commonly contagious.  Have a pearly-like quality in appeararence.

Resemble numerous white pearl bumps.  Usually < 1mm.  Mostly found on trunk

but may also be seen on arms and legs.

eileen coppola





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: mollesca contagiousum

From: Dina Kerr and Dick Kerr <dikerr@MINDLINK.BC.CA>

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 07:18:16 -0800

--------

>At 04:42 PM 3/17/97 -0500, Lisa Saul wrote:

>>My son was just diagnosed with this virus.I have tried tea tree,echinacea

>>internally,externally and also astragalus root..A dermatologist has

>>suggested using retin-a on each blister to irritate them...Any suggestions?

>>

>>Lisa

>>Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

>>http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html

>>

>>

>Can you give more information on this virus?  You can e-mail me privately

>if you like.  I have never heard of this virus.

>

>

>In my old medical dictionary it says to incise the lesions, and then treat

them with iodine, after the fluid has drained out of them.  The medical

dictionary is about 30 years old.  Also says they are spread in swimming

pools.  I am sure iodine is completely out of date now.:)

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: mollesca contagiousum

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:20:22 -0900

--------

At 10:17 PM 3/18/97 -0500, Eileen Coppola wrote:

>Molluscum contagiosum--  Superficial condyloma(similar to warts)

>They are commonly contagious.  Have a pearly-like quality in appeararence.

>Resemble numerous white pearl bumps.  Usually < 1mm.  Mostly found on trunk

>but may also be seen on arms and legs.

>eileen coppola

>

>

I wonder if garlic would be helpful.  I have eliminated warts by taping a

piece of garlic on them for two or three nights.  Perhaps you could make

garlic oil and put it on the eruptions as well as take garlic internally.

You can make garlic oil by cooking garlic in a fresh oil such as olive oil.

and save the oil for application.  (You can use this in cooking too).





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Infection...

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:27:46 GMT

--------

> For urinary Tract Infection and Yeast Infection I always use  a HOT HOT

> ginger bath

> sitting in a ginger bath will allow your body to sweat out the infection

and

> will leave

> you very weak it is vital that you have some one to help you out of the

tub.



Not a very good idea in America, where most URI's and vaginitises (vaginiti?)

are due to Hot factors. You may end one infection, but you're begging

another.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: yeast in diet for cancer

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 22:36:06 GMT

--------

> He says that yeast

> promotes the growth of tumours. Does anyone know more about this? We are

> curious as to whether it applies only to yeast in bread or all yeast.



All yeast. Bread can be toasted, however, which destroys some of that yeasted

characteristic.



Yeast is basically a kind of Dampness. In the case of tumors, Dampness clouds

the pure Qi and interferes with the normalcy of the body, the so-called True

Qi (Zhen Qi). This is probably the mechanism, i.e. an indirect one. I am

unaware of any theory that suggests that yeast acts DIRECTLY on tumors to

increase their growth. By interfering with the Zhen Qi, yeast and other forms

of dietary Dampness allow the False to prosper.



__This is NOT a big issue with well people.__ And cancer is NOT CAUSED by

Dampness.



>Quang

> does not speak English all that well, so although we will pursue this

> question with him, it will help to get some extra insight. As to the rest

> of the diet, he only seems concerned that she not eat shrimp or lobster -



And salmon. These seafoods are considered Hot and somewhat Toxic.



> white fish only. This is quite different from the stringent requirements of

> macrobiotics.



Macrobiotics is a Japanese offshoot of traditional Chinese diet. It contains

many beliefs which are not a part of Chinese healing.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: yeast in diet for cancer

From: Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:46:33 -0500

--------

Greetings

        My mother has a recurrence of cervical cancer and only wants to

treat it with Chinese medicine. Our Vietnamese doctor, who has a

fascinating history (he started learning his medicine at the age of nine in

monasteries and spent seven years in a cave with a 170 year old master) has

told her to cut way down on yeast and fats in her diet. He says that yeast

promotes the growth of tumours. Does anyone know more about this? We are

curious as to whether it applies only to yeast in bread or all yeast. Quang

does not speak English all that well, so although we will pursue this

question with him, it will help to get some extra insight. As to the rest

of the diet, he only seems concerned that she not eat shrimp or lobster -

white fish only. This is quite different from the stringent requirements of

macrobiotics.



comments anyone?



Thanks for your interest

Rondi Lightmark





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: inquiry on South American herb

From: Jerry Ranch <ranchjp@DSMNET.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:47:10 GMT

--------

Received some dry epazote from a friend who said it is used in South

America as a herb/spice for beans and rice.



Any recipes ideas? It doesn't have a very pungent aroma.



 She also said it was used to stop diarrhea.



Jerry





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: inquiry on South American herb

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 19:39:03 -0500

--------

Jerry Ranch wrote:

>

> Received some dry epazote from a friend who said it is used in South

> America as a herb/spice for beans and rice.

>

> Any recipes ideas? It doesn't have a very pungent aroma.

>

>  She also said it was used to stop diarrhea.

>

> Jerry

I read that Epazote is supposed to reduce gas from beans. Try this web

page for recipies.



http://www.neosoft.com/recipes





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: bitters

From: Paula King <Briosaid@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:32:06 -0500

--------

 >

 ><< By relying on capsules, you not only avoid an unpleasant taste, you also

 > miss part of the benefit of a bitter herb.  The medicinal effects of

bitter

 > herbs begins in the mouth with the stimulation of the proper digestive

 > juices including saliva.  There's much to the old adage that the worse it

 > tastes, the better it is for you. The other aspect is that by rejecting

the

 > flavor of the herb you are, in part, rejecting some of it's healing

 > properties.

 > I've found that the elegance of taking medicine, bitter taste and all, by

 > mouth, well rewarded in successful healing.

 > Remember, the bitterness is part of the healing.

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

I remember reading somewhere that bitter is one of the taste sensations that

we seem to be phasing out of our lives. I recently had a craving for

dandelion leaf salad. Lucky for me these are on our supermarket shelves

nowadays.

I had a huge wonderful salad with a warm vinegar dressing. I'll also go out

in the spring & gather watercress & gorge on that (finding the occasional

salamader in the stuff as I clean it, but oh well :)  )

My father has always enjoyed greens in the spring with hot vinegar, and I

guess I've acquired that taste from him.



Paula





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: bitters

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 23:09:09 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-17 21:41:07 EST, you write:

Paula writes:

<<  I'll also go out

 in the spring & gather watercress & gorge on that (finding the occasional

 salamader in the stuff as I clean it, but oh well :)  ) >>





And delicious it is!



But...I have a very dear friend that got liver flukes from watercress taken

from contaminated water.  It's so hard now to find pure sources.  And, of

course, you can't tell it's contaminated by looking at it.



T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Motion sickness

From: Deidre Snow <WEATHERWOMAN@WEBTV.NET>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 21:41:12 -0500

--------

My husband has recently been taking martial arts lessons. He sometimes

gets motion sickness when he tumbles. He has also experienced motion

sickness in the car (sometimes) and on boats. Any herb(s) which could

prevent this problem??   TIA   Deidre





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Motion sickness

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:20:15 GMT

--------

> >My husband has recently been taking martial arts lessons. He sometimes

> >gets motion sickness when he tumbles. He has also experienced motion

> >sickness in the car (sometimes) and on boats. Any herb(s) which could

> >prevent this problem??   TIA   Deidre

> I too have taken martial arts for many years and have had the same motion

> sickness dilemna when I do foward rolls.I feel mine has something to do

> with my inner ear and fear there is no cure?I am looking foward to

> responses.



Both cases can be analysed by Chinese healing readily: motion sickness or

dizziness is due to an abnormal imbalance between the 'turbid' Qi and the

'clear' Qi in the head. These two Qi have to be kept in balance, the clear Qi

producing awareness and thought, the turbid Qi being the metabolic (in the

broadest sense) waste of those processes.



If Digestion is weak, less clear Qi is sent up to the brain and Heart, and

more turbid Qi is produced from the food, and then circulated, 'drafted,' up

into the head where it causes problems. There are other possibilities, but as

usual, my view is that weak Digestion is the core problem most Americans

face.



So, eliminate fruit and fruit juice, coffee, alcohol, and desserts, eat at

regular mealtimes, and eat cooked foods over sandwiches and salads. Stop me

if you have heard all this before....



Ginger, which fights Dampness, is commonly used to fight dizziness and

nausea. Black pepper can be similarly useful, as is mustard, though these

recommendations all presume an absence of HEAT factors in the condition.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Motion sickness

From: "'Barbara Birkinbine'" <Thegarrys@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:57:56 -0500

--------

To any and all,

I know that black horehound (Ballota nigra) is a remedy for motion sickness

and nausea but it smells bad.  Does anyone know if white horehound (Marrubium

vulgare) will have the same effect?



Other herbs that help with motion sickness and nausea are wormwood (Artemesia

absinthium), peppermint ( Mentha x piperata), and german chamomile (

Matricaria recutita).

Tea for motion sickness- with a handful of  peppermint leaves and a handful

of german chamomile prepare a tea.  Strain and transfer to a flask to be

sipped at regular intervals during a trip.

Nausea drops can be prepared using a sprig of horehound and wormwood steeped

in 3 oz. of ginger liqueur.  Leave for 1 month. Strain and bottle. Take 2-4

drops hourly before and during travel.  Wormwood should not be taken during

pregnancy.

Recipes from Herbal Remedies in Pots by Effie romain & Sue Hawkey

DK Publishing  ISBN 0-7894-0431-1





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Motion sickness

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:14:07 -0500

--------

>My husband has recently been taking martial arts lessons. He sometimes

>gets motion sickness when he tumbles. He has also experienced motion

>sickness in the car (sometimes) and on boats. Any herb(s) which could

>prevent this problem??   TIA   Deidre

I too have taken martial arts for many years and have had the same motion

sickness dilemna when I do foward rolls.I feel mine has something to do

with my inner ear and fear there is no cure?I am looking foward to

responses.



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Motion sickness

From: saratonyn <saratonyn@SPRINTMAIL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 05:58:10 -0800

--------

Lisa -



Please describe the "motion sickness" that your husband (and you) have

experienced...are you referring to nausea?...loss of balance?...dizziness

?...all of these?...non of these?



Problems with fluid in the inner/middle ear can certainly be the problem

but first I'd like to understand exactly what symptoms he (and you) have

experienced.



Looking forward to being of some assistance.



Regards,



Sheri





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Motion sickness

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:35:38 -0500

--------

<< From:        Thegarrys@AOL.COM ('Barbara Birkinbine')

 To any and all,

 I know that black horehound (Ballota nigra) is a remedy for motion sickness

 and nausea but it smells bad.  Does anyone know if white horehound

(Marrubium

 vulgare) will have the same effect? >>





White horehound (Marrubium vulgare), includes a volatile oil, tannin, and

marrubiin (a bitter principle).  The bitter principle marrubiin does not

exist in the living plant; it is formed during the extraction process).  It

has been found that the acid, marrubic, formed from marrubiin, produces a

flow of bile in rats.  Horehound has been used as a purgative and a bitter to

produce gastric activity.  It does promote the secretion of mucus.  Might

have some effect on nausea, causing or relieving it might depend on dosage,

but I'd personally stick with ginger, as suggested.



This plant should not be confused with black or stinking horehound (Ballota

nigra), though the names are similar they are entirely different plants.

T.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Motion sickness

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:38:28 -0500

--------

>Lisa -

>

>Please describe the "motion sickness" that your husband (and you) have

>experienced...are you referring to nausea?...loss of balance?...dizziness

>?...all of these?...non of these?

>

>Problems with fluid in the inner/middle ear can certainly be the problem

>but first I'd like to understand exactly what symptoms he (and you) have

>experienced.

>

>Looking forward to being of some assistance.

>

>Regards,

>

>Sheri

My motion sickness after foward rolls is extreme dizziness and nausea.It

will occur immediately after a bout two rolls and go away quickly if I stop

rolling for several minutes.Thanks in advance..lisa



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Motion sickness

From: saratonyn <saratonyn@SPRINTMAIL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 16:36:32 -0800

--------

Lisa -



Your description of symptoms certainly sounds like an inner or middle ear

disturbance.



In absence of you mentioning any known problems with blood pressure, my

best suggestion would be to try some fresh ginger.  While there are quite

a few other herbal treatments for nausea and/or vertigo in general, it

seems as though what you describe is more likely to be a specific ear

disorder.



Have either you or your husband ever suffered from what is commonly

called "swimmer's ear"?...or maybe felt as though your hearing was

somewhat "muffled" after showering?



What about any problems with wax build-up in your ears?...or have either

of you suffered from repeated sore throats and/or earaches especially in

childhood?...ever been told that you have scar tissue in your ear(s)?



Have you ever tried ear candles?



Again, if none of the above questions seem pertinent, try the fresh

ginger about 30 min before you are about to start your "rolls".  You can

take it in the form of capsules (use as directed) or even drink a 12 oz

glass of ginger ale (provided it actually contains ginger, not simply

"artificial flavor").  Probably most effective would be drinking a tea

made from 1-2 teaspoons of fresh ginger root. Add one cup of boiling

water, steep 10-15 min, and strain.  (You can add honey for flavor also.)



Hope this provides some relief! (I'm interested in your results.)





Regards,



Sheri





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Motion sickness

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 20:43:46 -0500

--------

Thank you for your input..I have suspected inner ear problems because I had

several "busted eardrums as a teenager and many ear infectionsas a child.I

LOVE ginger and drink the tea often.Thank you again for your input..Lisa



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ostreo arthitis

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:15:17 -0500

--------

My girlfriend who has had hip replacements twice, only 40 yrs. now has ostreo

arthitis (excuse spelling) needs help, any ideas? Much appreciated. Thanks





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: bee pollen

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 00:16:27 -0500

--------

bee pollen, what does it do and how much to take ? Daily? Thanks!





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: yeast

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:20:36 GMT

--------

>         Now the family is in a big discussion about conflicting

> philosophies re: fermented foods, and also the macrobiotics. My mother has

> also been doing Iscador (mistletoe) injections, and the anthroposophical

> doctor who gives her those is very big on fermentation as a help for the

> digestion. I know that pickles etc. also are an important part of

> macrobiotics. Can you comment on this? Does cutting out all yeast mean no

> pickles?



Yes, it certainly does. The emphasis on fermented foods is NOT found in

Chinese healing. Fermented foods are valued by strict vegetarians as a source

of B12 and as a needed Digestant of a high cellulose diet. It is not critical

to eat fermented foods if you eat a rounded diet. In fact, the Sour quality

of fermented foods can be quite deleterious if you have Liver, eye, or sinew

and joint complaints.



>  Mom would just as soon be as simple as possible, (and according to the

> Vietnamese doctor, her digestion is great, but her heart is weak -- she is

> 75) and we want to support her in this, but are unsure how to do this.



Plenty of flesh foods with soup is how. Warm meals, plenty of rest, love and

affection, entertainments of a mild sort (novels, classy movies). Keep her

off sweets by giving her a good diet. Meat is Sweet, and will help with that.



>If

> she has been eating a certain way all of her life, how much should she rock

> the boat at her age?



NO!



>Is macrobiotics a good way to go or does it work

> against the chinese herbal treatments?



Macrobiotics is extreme, and inappropriate in her case, imo.



> Her cancer was cervical, and she had a radical hysterectomy last year. Now

> it has returned as a small lump in her vagina near her bladder.  She has

> never done chemo or radiation -- only chinese herbs and mistletoe for a

> year, so it seems like a good idea not to rock that boat either (and then

> there's that issue about which body -- physical, etheric, etc -- is being

> worked on and how. . .)



Correct. After all, what you are after is FURTHER __QUALITY__ OF LIFE, not

immortality. Conventional medicine is REALLY blind to this, though it is

changing a little.



> When my husband had cancer three years ago, we threw everything in the book

> at it and I know now that was a big mistake. I think his whole system went

> into a state of terrible confusion. Mom feels that she would like to just

> commit to one clear course and not change no matter what happens. The

> challenge is making that course clear!



It is simple and basic, and the satisfaction of that approach is more than

worthwhile.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: yeast

From: Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 09:00:16 -0500

--------

Thanks for your reply, Paul



        Now the family is in a big discussion about conflicting

philosophies re: fermented foods, and also the macrobiotics. My mother has

also been doing Iscador (mistletoe) injections, and the anthroposophical

doctor who gives her those is very big on fermentation as a help for the

digestion. I know that pickles etc. also are an important part of

macrobiotics. Can you comment on this? Does cutting out all yeast mean no

pickles?



 Mom would just as soon be as simple as possible, (and according to the

Vietnamese doctor, her digestion is great, but her heart is weak -- she is

75) and we want to support her in this, but are unsure how to do this. If

she has been eating a certain way all of her life, how much should she rock

the boat at her age? Is macrobiotics a good way to go or does it work

against the chinese herbal treatments?



Her cancer was cervical, and she had a radical hysterectomy last year. Now

it has returned as a small lump in her vagina near her bladder.  She has

never done chemo or radiation -- only chinese herbs and mistletoe for a

year, so it seems like a good idea not to rock that boat either (and then

there's that issue about which body -- physical, etheric, etc -- is being

worked on and how. . .)



When my husband had cancer three years ago, we threw everything in the book

at it and I know now that was a big mistake. I think his whole system went

into a state of terrible confusion. Mom feels that she would like to just

commit to one clear course and not change no matter what happens. The

challenge is making that course clear!



I appreciate your help, thanks

Rondi Lightmark





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: yeast

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:53:11 GMT

--------

> For an accurate and thorough discussion of fermentation of food look into

> "Handbook of Indigenous Fermented Foods" by Keith Steinkraus. He talks

about

> how grains are prepared around the world. With very few exceptions, people

> with high-grain diets ferment their grains first.



Not true. The Chinese, 1/5 of the world's population, don't ferment either

their rice or their wheat or millet. Except to make liquor, of course.



>Removal of phytic acid is

> one major reason since it is so overly abundant in grains.



Phytic acid is destroyed by cooking.



>This acid has a

> great deal of affinity towards minerals such as zinc. Thus, continued

> ingestion of



UNCOOKED



>nonfermented grains will eventually lower your mineral content,

> in some cases dramatically, i.e. vegetarian children fed soy milk rather

than

> organic cow or goat milk or mother's milk. In isopathic medicine,

pleomorphic

> organisms are the culprits of all disease. The yeast encapsulation is a

> malignant phase of the life cycle.



Isopathy? Why would anyone be greatly concerned about isopathy? German health

fad.



>Look into SANUM-Kelbecht medicine

> (Germany) and Enderlein philosophy. It will clear much of your questions.



Why jump off the deep end of that experiment, pray tell. (don't)



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: yeast

From: eric feingold <eric@INTERBOOK.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:15:53 +0100

--------

At 21:53 18/03/97 GMT, you wrote:



>>This acid has a

>> great deal of affinity towards minerals such as zinc. Thus, continued

>> ingestion of

>

>UNCOOKED

>

>>nonfermented grains will eventually lower your mineral content,

>> in some cases dramatically, i.e. vegetarian children fed soy milk rather

>than

>> organic cow or goat milk or mother's milk.



Would this mean that the food known as 'muesli', which basically consists

of uncooked pressed or rolled grains (flakes), should be considered as

unhealthy and or unfit for the human diet?



What about animals who thrive on raw whole grain? Not only those with four

stomachs. Horses,pigs, etc.





eric





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: yeast

From: Rafael Melendez <Graftonnd@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:03:46 -0500

--------

For an accurate and thorough discussion of fermentation of food look into

"Handbook of Indigenous Fermented Foods" by Keith Steinkraus. He talks about

how grains are prepared around the world. With very few exceptions, people

with high-grain diets ferment their grains first. Removal of phytic acid is

one major reason since it is so overly abundant in grains. This acid has a

great deal of affinity towards minerals such as zinc. Thus, continued

ingestion of nonfermented grains will eventually lower your mineral content,

in some cases dramatically, i.e. vegetarian children fed soy milk rather than

organic cow or goat milk or mother's milk. In isopathic medicine, pleomorphic

organisms are the culprits of all disease. The yeast encapsulation is a

malignant phase of the life cycle. Look into SANUM-Kelbecht medicine

(Germany) and Enderlein philosophy. It will clear much of your questions.



Grafton





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: yeast

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:02:56 GMT

--------

> >>This acid has a

> >> great deal of affinity towards minerals such as zinc. Thus, continued

> >> ingestion of

> >

> >UNCOOKED

> >

> >>nonfermented grains will eventually lower your mineral content,

> >> in some cases dramatically, i.e. vegetarian children fed soy milk rather

> >than

> >> organic cow or goat milk or mother's milk.

>

> Would this mean that the food known as 'muesli', which basically consists

> of uncooked pressed or rolled grains (flakes), should be considered as

> unhealthy and or unfit for the human diet?

>

> What about animals who thrive on raw whole grain? Not only those with four

> stomachs. Horses,pigs, etc.



No, I consider the whole idea idiotic. Very few people eat so much uncooked

grain that phytic acid is at all an issue in health.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: coffee-odd symptoms

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 08:31:54 GMT

--------

> I've been off coffee for almost two weeks, and I have noticed something

> very strange. I have not needed deodorant for about 4 days. I have been

> on vacation and not working up much of a sweat, but still very active.

> Is this any relation to the coffee?



Yep. Your level of Heat has gone down. Congratulations, you've just added a

bunch of healthy days to your life.



> One

> other thing I have noticed though is that my skin is getting drier. Is

> this from the Peppermint tea? I drink about 3 strong cups a day.



In part. Maybe cut back a little. But, after getting off coffee a range of

problems will crop up, which were being suppressed by your 'drug' use. This

is one of them. Drink PLENTY of water (coffee damages the thirst, and

ex-coffee drinkers reliably underdrink water).



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: coffee-odd symptoms

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 10:54:35 -0500

--------

I've been off coffee for almost two weeks, and I have noticed something

very strange. I have not needed deodorant for about 4 days. I have been

on vacation and not working up much of a sweat, but still very active.

Is this any relation to the coffee? My diet hasn't changed that much,

except that I am getting more oil, olive and sesame in cooking and more

veggies. I still eat white fish and some chicken, veal and I'm finishing

up some cheese and organic yogurt. (Since everyone seems to be against

dairy, I'm cutting it out for now.) I have tried Caffix, (thanks Paul),

but even that craving for a full bodied drink is going. I have also lost

weight and fat, even though I am eating more.(veggies and grains) One

other thing I have noticed though is that my skin is getting drier. Is

this from the Peppermint tea? I drink about 3 strong cups a day.

TIA Susien





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: coffee-odd symptoms

From: saratonyn <saratonyn@SPRINTMAIL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 06:39:37 -0800

--------

Susan -



The one thing that I find surprising is that you are not working up much

of a sweat.  Peppermint is a know diaphoretic.  Still, you may be losing

heat via other means or perhaps more gradually therefore less noticeably.

Perhaps you've had in increase in urinary frequency or quantity?



The most likely reason for a reduced need for deodorant is probably also

due to the peppermint since it is also known for it's aromatic qualities.

(It's no coincidence that breath mints, mouthwashes and toothpastes are

often peppermint or spearmint flavored!)



Regardless, dry skin always indicates at least one thing - insufficient

fluid intake.  Whether or not you notice an increase in sweating or

urinating, you can help relieve the dry skin simply by drinking more

water.  No need to increase your water consumption drastically.  Just

consume an extra glass or two each day and see what the results are.



Hope I've been able to help you a bit.



Regards,



Sheri





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: coffee-odd symptoms

From: brenda asterino <brenda.asterino@DRAGONBBS.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 11:04:01 -0500

--------

I have found by accident that I also have less body odor when I stay off

milk products....   never used coffee... so don't know.



Brenda





At 10:54 AM 3/18/97 -0500, you wrote:

>I've been off coffee for almost two weeks, and I have noticed something

>very strange. I have not needed deodorant for about 4 days. I have been

>on vacation and not working up much of a sweat, but still very active.

>Is this any relation to the coffee? My diet hasn't changed that much,

>except that I am getting more oil, olive and sesame in cooking and more

>veggies. I still eat white fish and some chicken, veal and I'm finishing

>up some cheese and organic yogurt. (Since everyone seems to be against

>dairy, I'm cutting it out for now.) I have tried Caffix, (thanks Paul),

>but even that craving for a full bodied drink is going. I have also lost

>weight and fat, even though I am eating more.(veggies and grains) One

>other thing I have noticed though is that my skin is getting drier. Is

>this from the Peppermint tea? I drink about 3 strong cups a day.

>TIA Susien

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: preg.woman with sinus/tooth inf.

From: "Julie A. Mitchell" <jamitche@ZOO.UVM.EDU>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 13:26:50 -0500

--------

Greetings - I am trying to inform/help a pregnant woman who is 2 weeks away

from

her due date who is suffering from a painful infection of her frontal

sinuses. It has manifested in a toothache. So far she has been dosing

with echinacea, Vit.c (to bowel tolerance), and zinc also kyolic garlic. My

suggestions to

her were thyme oil steams. Diet is no sugar, milk products etc. Tempted

to suggest goldenseal(as snuff and internal) but do not wish to induce

labor either. Any suggestions? Thanks and blessings-J



88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888



Julie Mitchell

RR 1 Box 54

New Haven, VT. 05472



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peppermint tea hot flash

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:11:09 GMT

--------

> Now that you mention it yes, I get very warm withen minutes of drinking

> peppermint tea. I hadn't associated it with the tea. It only lasts a few

> minutes kinda like a hot flash.



That is Heat coming OUT. It is not from the peppermint.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peppermint tea hot flash

From: saratonyn <saratonyn@SPRINTMAIL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:25:33 -0800

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Dear Paul -



Perhaps you misunderstood my response to Susien re peppermint.



What I said was that peppermint is a well-known diaphoretic.  Simply

stated, it causes heat and in turn the body increases perspiration.

The peppermint is indeed at least partly responsible for her feeling a

hot-flash-like sensation.  (Obviously any hot liquid -coffee, tea, hot

chocolate, etc. - produces a sense of warmth simply due to temperature.)



Since we perspire through ALL areas of skin, her decreasing need for

deodorant does not mean that she is not perspiring more than usual.

Again, peppermint is equally known for it's aromatic qualities - it just

plain smells good!  So certainly a less pungent perspiration odor could

seem to indicate a decreased need for deodorant.



In addition, Susien also noted dry skin, another indication that the body

is losing more liquid that it is taking in.  This too would seem to be

consistent with the diaphoretic property of peppermint.



Hopefully, I've managed to cleared this up a bit.





Regards,



Sheri





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peppermint tea hot flash

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:53:16 GMT

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> Can you recommend a book which will introduce me to the kind of things

> you write of:  the heat, the cold, the dampness, etc?

>

> It sounds very worthwhile to me.

>

> John A



See the FAQ. I always recommend The Web That Has No Weaver as the best

inexpensive starter book.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peppermint tea hot flash

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 00:13:23 GMT

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> Dear Paul -

>

> Perhaps you misunderstood my response to Susien re peppermint.

>

> What I said was that peppermint is a well-known diaphoretic.  Simply

> stated, it causes heat and in turn the body increases perspiration.



Plain old wrong. Mint does NOT cause Heat. It is in the category of Cooling

diaphoretics, a category that you appear to be unaware of. Not all

diaphoretics diaphorese through Heat. All a plant needs is an aromatic nature

that acts at the boundary of the skin. Peppermint, a Cooling plant, has that.



> The peppermint is indeed at least partly responsible for her feeling a

> hot-flash-like sensation.  (Obviously any hot liquid -coffee, tea, hot

> chocolate, etc. - produces a sense of warmth simply due to temperature.)



The point is that the peppermint is RELEASING trapped Heat in her Lungs

(mainly), and opening the pores, and THAT is what is causing the flash of

Heat through her skin. It has nothing to do with the idea that peppermint is

Heating, an idea unsupported by any herbal tradition I am aware of.



[Per the other query: Spearmint and wintergreen are considered Warming by

Chinese healing. HOWEVER, this Warm characteristic is not Warm enough to be

used in cases of true External Cold affliction, but rather is a suggestion of

a residual left behind that should be considered. IF peppermint was actually

Heating, it would leave behind a residue of Heat. IT DOES NOT.]



> Since we perspire through ALL areas of skin, her decreasing need for

> deodorant does not mean that she is not perspiring more than usual.



I am sure she is. That is how Heat is evacuated from the upper body, namely

through the pores and the oral-nasal cavities.



> Again, peppermint is equally known for it's aromatic qualities - it just

> plain smells good!  So certainly a less pungent perspiration odor could

> seem to indicate a decreased need for deodorant.



She needs less deodorant because the coffee stimulation is gone. Her nervous

system is producing less residue of Heat from that abnormal and unhealthful

practice.



> In addition, Susien also noted dry skin, another indication that the body

> is losing more liquid that it is taking in.  This too would seem to be

> consistent with the diaphoretic property of peppermint.



No. Coffee drinkers are DRY people to begin with. The diaphoresis caused by

COFFEE keeps the skin moist while they drink it; when they quit, their true

Dryness is seen. Peppermint is indeed Drying, but not due to diaphoresis in

particular.



> Hopefully, I've managed to cleared this up a bit.



Well, no.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Peppermint tea hot flash

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:44:55 -0500

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saratonyn wrote:

>

> Susan -

>

> The one thing that I find surprising is that you are not working up much

> of a sweat.  Peppermint is a know diaphoretic.  Still, you may be losing

> heat via other means or perhaps more gradually therefore less noticeably.



Now that you mention it yes, I get very warm withen minutes of drinking

peppermint tea. I hadn't associated it with the tea. It only lasts a few

minutes kinda like a hot flash.

But then I have also noticed there will be times during the day when I

get cold which is unusual for me and that goes away if I start moving

around or have someting hot.

S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peppermint tea hot flash

From: JohnA <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:44:03 -0800

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Paul Iannone wrote:

>

> > Now that you mention it yes, I get very warm withen minutes of drinking

> > peppermint tea. I hadn't associated it with the tea. It only lasts a few

> > minutes kinda like a hot flash.

>

> That is Heat coming OUT. It is not from the peppermint.

>

> Paul

Paul:



Can you recommend a book which will introduce me to the kind of things

you write of:  the heat, the cold, the dampness, etc?



It sounds very worthwhile to me.



John A





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peppermint tea hot flash

From: saratonyn <saratonyn@SPRINTMAIL.COM>

Date: Mon, 17 Mar 1997 15:51:20 -0800

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John -



Please forgive my responding to a question not directed toward me but I'd

like to suggest a book entitled "Chinese Herbal Medicine" by Daniel P.

Reid.



This book can provide you with some easy-to-understand information

regarding "heat, cold, dampness" as well as yin-yang and many other

basic principles of traditional Chinese medicine.



(Forgive me, Paul, if I've erroneously concluded that you base many of

your responses on Chinese medicine!)





Regards and respect to all,



Sheri





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peppermint tea hot flash

From: Sherry Francetic <Tono2@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:16:03 -0500

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Hi all-



I'm fairly new to the list and have thoroughly enjoyed the incredible amounts

of education I am receiving...



A curiosity about all the peppermint tea talk-- does spearmint or wintergreen

promote the same benefits as peppermint?



Thanks-

Sherry





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peppermint tea hot flash

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:20:23 -0900

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At 11:16 PM 3/18/97 -0500, Sherry Francetic wrote:

>Hi all-

>

>I'm fairly new to the list and have thoroughly enjoyed the incredible amounts

>of education I am receiving...

>

>A curiosity about all the peppermint tea talk-- does spearmint or wintergreen

>promote the same benefits as peppermint?

>

>Thanks-

>Sherry

>

>

All mint family herbs share some properties.  Peppermint is especially

good.  Wintergreen however is a different family.  It is Gaultheria

procumbens a shrubby plant.  It is considered tonic, stimulant, astringent

and aromatic.  Another plant sometimes called Wintergreen is Pyrola

rotundifolia.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peppermint tea hot flash

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:20:25 -0900

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At 03:25 PM 3/17/97 -0800, saratonyn wrote:

>Dear Paul -

>

>Perhaps you misunderstood my response to Susien re peppermint.

>

>What I said was that peppermint is a well-known diaphoretic.  Simply

>stated, it causes heat and in turn the body increases perspiration.





It doesn't exactly cause heat.  It disperses heat causing perspiration.





>The peppermint is indeed at least partly responsible for her feeling a

>hot-flash-like sensation.



Only in the respect that heat is being dispersed.





 (Obviously any hot liquid -coffee, tea, hot

>chocolate, etc. - produces a sense of warmth simply due to temperature.)



Peppermint produces a sense of cooling not warmth.



>

>Since we perspire through ALL areas of skin, her decreasing need for

>deodorant does not mean that she is not perspiring more than usual.

>Again, peppermint is equally known for it's aromatic qualities - it just

>plain smells good!  So certainly a less pungent perspiration odor could

>seem to indicate a decreased need for deodorant.



Increased water intake will also cause less need for deodorant.  Remember

that deodorant is not necessarily anti-perspirant.  You can lose plenty of

fluid through the skin and not be aware of the evaporation.  The only time

you are aware of perspiring is when it is excessive.  We perspire all the

time unless something is really wrong.



>

>In addition, Susien also noted dry skin, another indication that the body

>is losing more liquid that it is taking in.



Not necessarily.  It could indicate improper ph balance and lack of

essential fatty acids also.  It may be good to include flaxseed oil in her

daily diet.





 This too would seem to be

>consistent with the diaphoretic property of peppermint.



Diaphoresis does not necessarily cause dryness.



>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruits, sugar, diet

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:52:48 GMT

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> I found this excellent website that explains all the food groups very well

> and how they affect your body.  Since there is lots of concern lately about

> cutting out fruits, I'd thought I would post some snippets from the website

> about fruit and sugar.  There is lots of other interesting information

> especially about Trophology (food combining) which is news to me.  For

> example, the web page explains that combining heavy proteins (meat) and

> starches is bad for the digestion, starches and sugars is bad.  This

dieting

> concept is from the Toaist.



Bullsh*t. This is straight Naturopathy, and has NOTHING to do with Chinese

thinking on the subject.



>To my surprise a chinese man,Lee Ching-yuen,

> lived to be about 250 years old..and he was born in 1678!  Can this be

true!

> (see

> longetivity link)



And my mother has training wheels.



> excerpt from

> http://www.samart.co.th/hps/hfood.htm

>

> Fruits are also alkalizing and cooling, except for certain tropical fruits

> such as mango and lichee, which are warming.



snip. NO FRUIT IS WARMING. Among fruits, however, some are Warmer and some

Cooler. Peaches are Warm, by that distinction. You do NOT give peaches to

someone who has frostbite to Warm them up. I hope that is obvious.



>      Fresh fruits are even more cleansing to the digestive tract than

> vegetables. A good way to detoxify and balance the pH

>      of the entire alimentary canal is to eat nothing but fresh fruit for a

> period of one to seven days. It is best to select just

>      one variety of fruit for cleansing purposes, top choices being

> grapefruit, lemon (as juice, diluted with water),

>      watermelon, apple or black grapes. You may eat the fruit whole or as a

> juice, the latter being somewhat more effective

>      for cleansing purposes.

>

> (I'm sure Mr. Iannone considers the second paragraph to be blasphemy. :-)



It is standard Naturopathic logic. It is also nonsense from the standpoint of

managing diet properly.



> The sugar part was too long for me to paste here.  It basically states that

> sugar is one of the most dangerous substances in the market, and explains

> how it affects the immune system, insulin, etc.



Which ain't the Chinese idea AT ALL. Chinese healing considers sugar to be a

HEALING FOOD, of great value in repairing the Blood and Qi. The demonization

of sugar was always misguided in this country...it has NEVER been demonized

in China.



> Anyways, if anyone is interested this site has chockful of information

about

> sugar, hydrogenation, processed foods, hormones used in cattle, homogenized

> milk, and more.



In other words, the usual health food store line. The question is: Why do

they need to try and sell this drivel as Chinese, Daoist, or associated with

this supposed 250 year old man (a patently ridiculous idea)?



>I know I am way off topic here, but this info might help

> the people who were posting about their digestive problems.  If anyone

knows

> of an mailing list where these subjects can be discussed, please email me

> privately.  No commercial interest towards the web site.

> http://www.samart.co.th/hps/



It is more of what people need to FORGET under the heading of 80's illogic

about diet.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fruits, sugar, diet

From: Walter Semerenko <walter@ORLINTER.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:30:56 +0000

--------

I found this excellent website that explains all the food groups very well

and how they affect your body.  Since there is lots of concern lately about

cutting out fruits, I'd thought I would post some snippets from the website

about fruit and sugar.  There is lots of other interesting information

especially about Trophology (food combining) which is news to me.  For

example, the web page explains that combining heavy proteins (meat) and

starches is bad for the digestion, starches and sugars is bad.  This dieting

concept is from the Toaist.  To my surprise a chinese man,Lee Ching-yuen,

lived to be about 250 years old..and he was born in 1678!  Can this be true!

(see

longetivity link)



excerpt from

http://www.samart.co.th/hps/hfood.htm



Fruits are also alkalizing and cooling, except for certain tropical fruits

such as mango and lichee, which are warming.

     Fruits are very easy to digest and metabolize, but only when eaten on

an empty stomach. In fact, most fruits go straight

     through the stomach into the duodenum for digestion, which means if you

put fresh fruit on top of a big meal, it has to

     sit and wait in the top of the stomach until the other food is

digested, during which delay bacteria attack the fruit and

     ferment it, gobbling up all the nutrients and leaving you with gas and

metabolic wastes. The best rule to follow with

     fruits is; 'Eat them alone, or leave them alone.' This is particularly

true for melons and citrus fruits.



     Fresh fruits are even more cleansing to the digestive tract than

vegetables. A good way to detoxify and balance the pH

     of the entire alimentary canal is to eat nothing but fresh fruit for a

period of one to seven days. It is best to select just

     one variety of fruit for cleansing purposes, top choices being

grapefruit, lemon (as juice, diluted with water),

     watermelon, apple or black grapes. You may eat the fruit whole or as a

juice, the latter being somewhat more effective

     for cleansing purposes.



(I'm sure Mr. Iannone considers the second paragraph to be blasphemy. :-)



The sugar part was too long for me to paste here.  It basically states that

sugar is one of the most dangerous substances in the market, and explains

how it affects the immune system, insulin, etc.



Anyways, if anyone is interested this site has chockful of information about

sugar, hydrogenation, processed foods, hormones used in cattle, homogenized

milk, and more.  I know I am way off topic here, but this info might help

the people who were posting about their digestive problems.  If anyone knows

of an mailing list where these subjects can be discussed, please email me

privately.  No commercial interest towards the web site.

http://www.samart.co.th/hps/



Walter.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruits, sugar, diet

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:58:55 GMT

--------

> >> sugar is one of the most dangerous substances in the market, and explains

> >> how it affects the immune system, insulin, etc.

> >

> >Which ain't the Chinese idea AT ALL. Chinese healing considers sugar to be

a

> >HEALING FOOD, of great value in repairing the Blood and Qi. The

demonization

> >of sugar was always misguided in this country...it has NEVER been

demonized

> >in China.

> >

> >

> Sugar may not be directly damaging but the way it is consumed in this

> country (US) IS damaging.  It is estimated that the average American

> consumes hundreds of pounds of sugar every year.  It is an additive in many

> many foods that don't really need it.  The fact that so many people have

> blood sugar ailments such as hypoglycaemia and diabetes is a testament to

> the abuse of sugars.



Fine and dandy. But to call these ideas 'Chinese' is to LIE. Entrepreneurs do

that all the time. I don't endorse those lies, nor do I allow them to pass by

unnoticed under my watch.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruits, sugar, diet

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 08:45:44 -0900

--------

>

>> sugar is one of the most dangerous substances in the market, and explains

>> how it affects the immune system, insulin, etc.

>

>Which ain't the Chinese idea AT ALL. Chinese healing considers sugar to be a

>HEALING FOOD, of great value in repairing the Blood and Qi. The demonization

>of sugar was always misguided in this country...it has NEVER been demonized

>in China.

>

>

Sugar may not be directly damaging but the way it is consumed in this

country (US) IS damaging.  It is estimated that the average American

consumes hundreds of pounds of sugar every year.  It is an additive in many

many foods that don't really need it.  The fact that so many people have

blood sugar ailments such as hypoglycaemia and diabetes is a testament to

the abuse of sugars.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruits, sugar, diet

From: "LaVonne M. Davis-Schenck" <lavds@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 00:26:05 EST

--------

 Paul had written the following:



>It is more of what people need to FORGET under the heading of 80's

>illogic about diet.



Paul, would you say that there is a general diet to be followed for most

normal, healthy adults, or that each person's needs are specific and diet

must be individually adjusted?



In other words, would you be so kind as to line out an average day's

*healthy* intake and to explain the reasoning behind the choices, if such

a thing exists?  If it doesn't exist, how does one go about determining

what it should be for his or her own needs?



LaVonne



<lavds@ids.net>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruits, sugar, diet

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 14:04:35 GMT

--------

> Paul, would you say that there is a general diet to be followed for most

> normal, healthy adults,



YES!



>or that each person's needs are specific and diet

> must be individually adjusted?



NO! Unless the person is sick, they fit into the usual dietary scheme just

fine. Until fifty years ago, NO ONE thought that intentionally, conceptually,

individualizing diet was necessary.



> In other words, would you be so kind as to line out an average day's

> *healthy* intake and to explain the reasoning behind the choices, if such

> a thing exists?  If it doesn't exist, how does one go about determining

> what it should be for his or her own needs?



The issues are simple: Warm, cooked food, three times a day, no skipped or

delayed meals, no desserts within an hour of food, no coffee or fruit on a

regular basis. VERY simple advice.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruits, sugar, diet

From: JohnA <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 15:36:18 -0800

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Paul Iannone wrote:



> The issues are simple: Warm, cooked food, three times a day, no skipped or

> delayed meals, no desserts within an hour of food, no coffee or fruit on a

> regular basis. VERY simple advice.



Paul,



What about dairy products and red meat?

Are they to be included in a good diet?



So far, being off coffee for a week has changed my outlook on alot of

things.......it is amazing how a life can revolve around a beverage!

Reminds me of the "cigarrette culture" I had to put away over 25 yrs

ago...



Thanks for all your advice.



John A





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruits, sugar, diet

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 03:04:21 +0200

--------

"The issues are simple: Warm, cooked food, three times a day, no skipped or

>delayed meals, no desserts within an hour of food, no coffee or fruit on a

>regular basis. VERY simple advice."



Do herbal teas count towards coffee?  I drink a lot of tea instead of

coffee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruits, sugar, diet

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:31:34 -0900

--------

At 03:04 AM 3/24/97 +0200, Katt wrote:

>"The issues are simple: Warm, cooked food, three times a day, no skipped or

>>delayed meals, no desserts within an hour of food, no coffee or fruit on a

>>regular basis. VERY simple advice."

>

>Do herbal teas count towards coffee?  I drink a lot of tea instead of

>coffee.

>

>

Be aware that many teas contain caffeine.  Mate, Camillia s., guarana, and

perhaps others, contain significant amounts of caffeine.  Some teas are

very astringent and should not be used on a regular basis.  Your best bet

is to get yourself some good books and become knowledgeable about what you

are drinking.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: yeast in cancer

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:52:56 GMT

--------

> One last on-topic note: Quang doesn't seem to be too concerned about milk

> products in her diet. What's the conventional chinese wisdom here? How

> about yogurt in relation to the fermentation question?



Yoghurt fermentation doesn't involve yeast. It is bacterial fermentation, as

opposed to fungal.



China has a long tradition of using fermented milk products. Once land became

scarse, however, they moved away from dairy products due to lack of pasture.



Milk is considered Cooling and nourishing. It may be useful in cases of tumor

associated with Heat.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: yeast in cancer

From: Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 23:19:20 -0500

--------

Dear Everyone;

        Thanks so much for your input. Paul, I called Mom and read your

reply to her. She thanks you, and wants you to know that she's not as old

as she sounds and she plans to stick around! She especially liked your

comment about seeking further quality of life and not immortality.



Of course on that note, I, as her ever-admiring daughter, already regard

her as immortal. And if anyone out there would like to contribute to my

view of her and send her a prayer for healing, I would be very grateful,

because the world needs her loving energy up close and personal for many

years to come. Her name is Joyce Swanson.



One last on-topic note: Quang doesn't seem to be too concerned about milk

products in her diet. What's the conventional chinese wisdom here? How

about yogurt in relation to the fermentation question?



This list is fascinating and I'm forwarding coffee admonitions to all of my

friends.



Best wishes

Rondi Lightmark





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 19:21:54 -0500

--------

I am about to make a tincture with some fresh organic dandelions. A

friend of mine heard that you could not use the vodka that comes from

the liquor store. Does anyone know about this or what I should use?

TIA Susien





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 17:51:50 -0900

--------

At 07:21 PM 3/18/97 -0500, Susien wrote:

>I am about to make a tincture with some fresh organic dandelions. A

>friend of mine heard that you could not use the vodka that comes from

>the liquor store. Does anyone know about this or what I should use?

>TIA Susien

>

>

I've made fine tinctures using Vodka, Gin, and Brandy.  I know of people

who also use Whiskey, Rum, Everclear and other alcohols.  It is relatively

inexpensive and easy to come by.  It may not be as pure as pharmaceutical

grade alcohol but has been used for centuries.  I see no real problem with

this.  Some may argue the point but if you're not into serious marketing

and tincturing for yourself there's no reason not to use this easy to come

by source.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:34:15 -0800

--------

At 07:21 PM 3/18/97 -0500, Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM> wrote:

>I am about to make a tincture with some fresh organic dandelions. A

>friend of mine heard that you could not use the vodka that comes from

>the liquor store. Does anyone know about this or what I should use?

>TIA Susien

>



Fresh plant tinctures require different proportions of menstruum than dried

plant tinctures.  Generally a freshly picked plant has about three times the

moisture of dried plant material.  This moisture has to be counted as a part

of the menstruum (a combination of food grade grain {ethyl} alcohol and

distilled water).  Proportions will vary according to which medicinal

properties are present and which you wish to pull out with the menstruum.

There exist some fairly exacting standards recommended by the International

Protocol adopted at Brussels in 1902, and if you wish to produce tinctures

professionally, it would be wise to study old Pharmacopoeias and National

Formularies published around 1926 or earlier to get exact solvent

information on the individual plants.



The Brussels' Protocol specifies that tinctures of fresh plants are made to

represent 50 gm of the fresh herb in each 100cc (a 50%% or 1:2 w/v

tincture).  W/V is the weight/volume ratio of plant material to menstruum.



My personal preference for using dandelions, however, is straight out of the

ground, thoroughly cleaned, tightly packed whole plant infused immediately

with fresh, pure boiling water in quart jars for 24 hours.  Strain,

refrigerate.  Make what you will use in a week or less.  If you leave a few

of those dandelions instead of weeding or (heaven forbid) ridding with

pesticides, they are one of the simplest, least expensive and nourishing

herbs there is.   Here in the Pacific NW, I grow dandelions year around.

Remember to really know your plant intimately, however, there are plants

that can look very similar to dandelion to the untrained eye.   I drink

about 1/8 cup three or four times a day.  I also use the fresh plant in salads.



Be well,







Marcia Elston     I     Samara Botane     |     Seattle, WA

Manufacturers of Aromatherapy and Herbal products

                                  Herbal Indulgence

                 http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Robin Stahr <DAYSTAHR@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:38:19 -0500

--------

The best medium for tincturing is Everclear which you get from your local

liquor store. In PA where I live it is available, but in other states

apparently it is not. If you  have trouble locating it you can email  me

directly



Everclear is 190 proof alcohol.



Daystahr@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 08:08:09 -0500

--------

Everclear is not the preferred medium for tincturing herbs with

significant water-soluble compounds.  Echinicea, for instance, should not

be tinctured in alcohol but in 70 proof (35%) alcohol as many active

constituents are not alcohol-soluble.  St. Johnswort, OTOH may well

benefit from the higher alcohol content as 80 proof is too low to extract

the constituents well.  KNOW YOUR HERBS.  If you don't want to get too

involved, 100 proof vodka will do in most cases (but add enough water to

your echinicea tincture to bring the alcohol down to 35%).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com.



On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:38:19 -0500 Robin Stahr <DAYSTAHR@AOL.COM> writes:

>The best medium for tincturing is Everclear which you get from your

local

>liquor store. In PA where I live it is available, but in other states

>apparently it is not. If you  have trouble locating it you can email

>me directly

>

>Everclear is 190 proof alcohol.

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:55:02 -0500

--------

Is there a book or other source that gives this information?

TIA



Karen Vaughan wrote:

>

> Everclear is not the preferred medium for tincturing herbs with

> significant water-soluble compounds.  Echinicea, for instance, should not

> be tinctured in alcohol but in 70 proof (35%) alcohol as many active

> constituents are not alcohol-soluble.  St. Johnswort, OTOH may well

> benefit from the higher alcohol content as 80 proof is too low to extract

> the constituents well.  KNOW YOUR HERBS.  If you don't want to get too

> involved, 100 proof vodka will do in most cases (but add enough water to

> your echinicea tincture to bring the alcohol down to 35%).

>

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com.

>

> On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:38:19 -0500 Robin Stahr <DAYSTAHR@AOL.COM> writes:

> >The best medium for tincturing is

> >Everclear is 190 proof alcohol.

> >





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 16:55:17 GMT

--------

On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 10:55:02 -0500, Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Is there a book or other source that gives this information?

>TIA



Sure. The tincturing booklet on Michael Moore's homepage; go for the manuals:

   http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE



also found in my ftp space; go for SWSBM.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: "digest (Stacey L. Knerr)" <K9Show@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:48:04 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-21 10:34:31 EST, you write:



<<  If you don't want to get too

 involved, 100 proof vodka will do in most cases (but add enough water to

 your echinicea tincture to bring the alcohol down to 35%). >>



I use glucose to make tinctures of all my herbs.  I have many clients that



1) want nothing to do with alcohol

                     or

2) are recovering alcoholics, and do not want to "take the chance."



Is this a good practice?



--Stacey





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 19:00:31 GMT

--------

On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 13:48:04 -0500, "digest (Stacey L. Knerr)" <K9Show@AOL.COM>

wrote to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>I use glucose to make tinctures of all my herbs.  I have many clients that

>1) want nothing to do with alcohol

>                     or

>2) are recovering alcoholics, and do not want to "take the chance."

>Is this a good practice?



Good practice? Perhaps, if you get the effects you want out of your plants.



However, tincture, by definition, is an alcohol extract. So you have glucose

extracts, not tinctures.



I'd make tinctures and boil off the alcohol before use, but maybe not with

recovering alcoholics.

You could also freeze your herbs as mush or slush, and give it that way.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:13:42 +0200

--------

At 01:48 PM 3/21/97 -0500, digest (Stacey L. Knerr) wrote:

>In a message dated 97-03-21 10:34:31 EST, you write:

>

><<  If you don't want to get too

> involved, 100 proof vodka will do in most cases (but add enough water to

> your echinicea tincture to bring the alcohol down to 35%). >>

>

>I use glucose to make tinctures of all my herbs.  I have many clients that

>

>1) want nothing to do with alcohol

>                     or

>2) are recovering alcoholics, and do not want to "take the chance."

>

>Is this a good practice?

>

>--Stacey

>

>

I've been told that warm apple cider vinegar can be used to replace

alcohol, but I have never made tinctures because I have an allergy to

alcohol.  Have you tried this method for some of your clients, and if so,

is it equivalent?  How do you use the glucose?



Larissa





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 09:50:28 -0900

--------

At 10:55 AM 3/21/97 -0500, Susien wrote:

>Is there a book or other source that gives this information?

>TIA

>

>Karen Vaughan wrote:

>>

>> Everclear is not the preferred medium for tincturing herbs with

>> significant water-soluble compounds.  Echinicea, for instance, should not

>> be tinctured in alcohol but in 70 proof (35%) alcohol as many active

>> constituents are not alcohol-soluble.  St. Johnswort, OTOH may well

>> benefit from the higher alcohol content as 80 proof is too low to extract

>> the constituents well.  KNOW YOUR HERBS.  If you don't want to get too

>> involved, 100 proof vodka will do in most cases (but add enough water to

>> your echinicea tincture to bring the alcohol down to 35%).

>>

>> Karen Vaughan

>> CreationsGarden@juno.com.

>>

>> On Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:38:19 -0500 Robin Stahr <DAYSTAHR@AOL.COM> writes:

>> >The best medium for tincturing is

>> >Everclear is 190 proof alcohol.

>> >

>

>

Potter's Cyclopaedia gives information concerning the solubility of herbs.

Some are soluable in alcohol, some in water.  Lobelia is one example of an

herb that does better in a water or vinegar extract.  My best source of

information is my class material from Dominion Herbal college.  There may

be info on the web from sites such as Michael Moore's page or Howie

Brounstein's or Henriette's.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 07:53:05 -0900

--------

At 01:48 PM 3/21/97 -0500, digest (Stacey L. Knerr) wrote:

>In a message dated 97-03-21 10:34:31 EST, you write:

>

><<  If you don't want to get too

> involved, 100 proof vodka will do in most cases (but add enough water to

> your echinicea tincture to bring the alcohol down to 35%). >>

>

>I use glucose to make tinctures of all my herbs.  I have many clients that

>

>1) want nothing to do with alcohol

>                     or

>2) are recovering alcoholics, and do not want to "take the chance."

>

>Is this a good practice?

>

>--Stacey

>

>

By glucose, I assume you mean sugar.  You are in effect making a syrup.

Nothing wrong with that unless you are treating a diabetic or hypoglycaemic

or someone who doesn't want the sugar.

You can also use glycerin.  However, alcohol as a menstrum is generally

regarded as the best for extraction because it extracts some things that

are not extracted with water.  You should check Potter's Cyclopaedia or

another such source for the preferred menstrum for extraction.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 08:19:26 -0900

--------

At 04:13 AM 3/22/97 +0200, Katt wrote:

>At 01:48 PM 3/21/97 -0500, digest (Stacey L. Knerr) wrote:

>>In a message dated 97-03-21 10:34:31 EST, you write:

>>

>><<  If you don't want to get too

>> involved, 100 proof vodka will do in most cases (but add enough water to

>> your echinicea tincture to bring the alcohol down to 35%). >>

>>

>>I use glucose to make tinctures of all my herbs.  I have many clients that

>>

>>1) want nothing to do with alcohol

>>                     or

>>2) are recovering alcoholics, and do not want to "take the chance."

>>

>>Is this a good practice?

>>

>>--Stacey

>>

>>

>I've been told that warm apple cider vinegar can be used to replace

>alcohol, but I have never made tinctures because I have an allergy to

>alcohol.  Have you tried this method for some of your clients, and if so,

>is it equivalent?  How do you use the glucose?

>

>Larissa

>

>

You can extract from herbs using vinegar.  In fact it is the preferred

menstrum for Lobelia.  It can be used for other herbs as well.  Just know

that alcohol is especially effective in extracting from many herbs.  Some

substances are not otherwise extractable.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 17:21:57 UT

--------

>From what I understand Apple cider vinegar is more effective for the

extraction of some alkaloids. I ususally use everclear and dilute it with

distilled water to get the right percentage.



----------

From:   Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list on behalf of Anita Hales

Sent:   Saturday, March 22, 1997 12:19 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: What kind of Alcohol?



At 04:13 AM 3/22/97 +0200, Katt wrote:

>At 01:48 PM 3/21/97 -0500, digest (Stacey L. Knerr) wrote:

>>In a message dated 97-03-21 10:34:31 EST, you write:

>>

>><<  If you don't want to get too

>> involved, 100 proof vodka will do in most cases (but add enough water to

>> your echinicea tincture to bring the alcohol down to 35%). >>

>>

>>I use glucose to make tinctures of all my herbs.  I have many clients that

>>

>>1) want nothing to do with alcohol

>>                     or

>>2) are recovering alcoholics, and do not want to "take the chance."

>>

>>Is this a good practice?

>>

>>--Stacey

>>

>>

>I've been told that warm apple cider vinegar can be used to replace

>alcohol, but I have never made tinctures because I have an allergy to

>alcohol.  Have you tried this method for some of your clients, and if so,

>is it equivalent?  How do you use the glucose?

>

>Larissa

>

>

You can extract from herbs using vinegar.  In fact it is the preferred

menstrum for Lobelia.  It can be used for other herbs as well.  Just know

that alcohol is especially effective in extracting from many herbs.  Some

substances are not otherwise extractable.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What kind of Alcohol?

From: "digest (Stacey L. Knerr)" <K9Show@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 16:01:39 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-21 21:17:24 EST, you write:



<< I've been told that warm apple cider vinegar can be used to replace

 alcohol, but I have never made tinctures because I have an allergy to

 alcohol.  Have you tried this method for some of your clients, and if so,

 is it equivalent? >>



I have never tried apple cider vinegar.  Sounds interesting tho'



<< How do you use the glucose?>>



Basically the same as alcohol, but I let it "steep" for 7-10 days...depending

on the strength I want.



--Stacey





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: sinuses

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 20:06:29 -0500

--------

>To any and all.

>

>I am in my second day of caffeine withdrawal. Cold turkey.

>It is not  fun....feeling all out of whack and headachy.

>I almost never get headaches either.

>

>I am taking for truth some of the negatives written here against

>caffeine.

>

>I bought some natural teas and they are wonderful.

>

>I just need to have hot drinks...I am not sure why.

>

>Now, I have asked for help on my stuffy congested nasal passages

>before but recieved no help.

>

>Is that because there is no treatment via herbs for such a condition?

>

>I know that hot sauce opens my nostrils for a time...but not for long.

>

>I really don't like having to rely on sudephedrine to be able to

>breathe semi-freely through my nose.

>

>All help appreciated.

>

>John A





I have had sinus/allergy problems in the past that have been alleviated

from taking nettle tinctures three times a day in hot tea,also I take

allertonic by herbs etc.(no connection monetarily),also sodium ascorbate in

large doses,usually the powder form and stay away from

dairy,meat,sweets.Hope this helps.It's alot of changes to be made in your

lifestyle sometimes to become a healthier person.Take it slowly and

gradually make better changes day by day.



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: MiqMaq medicines

From: Evo & Caryl <emarcon@TALLSHIPS.ISTAR.CA>

Date: Tue, 18 Mar 1997 21:12:43 -0800

--------

Thought some of you might be interested in this site out of Nova Scotia.

(No commercial interest on my part)



Caryl



http://www.lunco.com/plants





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Brain Tumor

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 10:42:08 -0500

--------

Approximately 5 years ago I was operated on for a brain tumor near the

brain stem. It had wrapped itself around the facial muscles located near

the cheek on the right side. The doctor did not remove all of it, as he

was afraid of causing paralysis of the facial muscles. He did not want

to do anything further such as radiation, but is having me monitor it. I

had one MRI 2 years later and he found that it had substantially shrunk

on its own. It was not carcinogenic nor did he believe it was due to the

appearance from the pre-op MRI. It is a slow growing schwanoma (sp?) and

could have been 20 years old. I have had such success now with the herbs

and diet. Is there anything else I need to do?  As I have mentioned in a

previous post, I usually heal fast on my own. I was home from the

hospital in 3 days and back to almost normal in a week.



I am senstivie to drugs. Even pain killers from the dentist affected my

bladder and for a couple of weeks I felt like I always had to go. I did

have allergies when I was a kid, had shots, and outgrew them. Over the

years I have had an antibiotic once, a few over the counter drugs for

colds. I have taken aspirin about 5 times in my life. I had a bout with

hayfever when I lived in the midwest, and did take antihistamines. But I

haven't had that problem now for several years. The only other things I

have had have occured in the last 3 years.  A toenail fungus teated with

herbs and acupuncture it seems to be coming back, and itchy eyes in the

summer for the last two years which haven't gone away. The eye itch does

go away when I go to work on the airplane.



In the past few years I have stopped using drugs and started using herbs

and I now have elimated caffeine and sugar from my diet.  With what I am

learning here and with what is happening to me, I know the body has

phenomenal recuperative power especially with the right help. Herbs seem

to have the best affect on me. I once went to a homeopath who also a

medical doctor. Even holding the remedy in my hand affected me.



My sore feet are gone, my eyes are brighter, the color of my skin is

more balanced, my energy level is higher, but not hyper, even my

emotions are better. I have always had a happy, flight attendant

conditioned outlook on life. Now it is getting real. Good things are

happening and I wonder what the next step should be? Any suggestions? My

gratitude and thanks for all your help.



Susien





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Brain Tumor

From: saratonyn <saratonyn@SPRINTMAIL.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 01:01:15 -0800

--------

Susien -



I believe what you are referring to (a schwannoma) is also known as a

neurinoma or neurilemoma or possibly even an acoustic neuroma. (Since I

don't know your symptoms were/are I cannot be any more specific.)



It sounds as if your surgery and herbal Rx/treatment have worked very

well.  Congratulations!



As far as any "next step(s)" go, I would be interested in first knowing

if you have any residual effects. For instance, any indication of

anemia?

Do you have any pain/numbness/sensation of pressure?  Tinnitis, vertigo,

deafness or headache? Dysphagia? Other residual symptoms?



Please feel free to email mail privately if you'd like.



In the meantime, keep up the good herbal lifestyle!





Regards,



Sheri





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Brain Tumor

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 05:16:26 -0500

--------

saratonyn wrote:

>

> Susien -

>

> I believe what you are referring to (a schwannoma) is also known as a

> neurinoma or neurilemoma or possibly even an acoustic neuroma. (Since I

> don't know your symptoms were/are I cannot be any more specific.)

>

> It sounds as if your surgery and herbal Rx/treatment have worked very

> well.  Congratulations!

>

> As far as any "next step(s)" go, I would be interested in first knowing

> if you have any residual effects. For instance, any indication of

> anemia?

> Do you have any pain/numbness/sensation of pressure?  Tinnitis, vertigo,

> deafness or headache? Dysphagia? Other residual symptoms?

>

> Please feel free to email mail privately if you'd like.

>

> In the meantime, keep up the good herbal lifestyle!

>

> Regards,

>

> Sheri

My only symptoms were a loss of balance, a wee bit of tinnutus, my taste

sensation was off, lemons were sweet, bananas were bitter, chocolate was

awful and I often felt like I was smelling skunk. Also it was pressing

against my eyes so I had trouble looking to the right, my vision seemed

to wiggle. No headaches. I never had pain before or after surgery. It

was not close enough to the ear canal to affect cause damage. He never

mentioned the other terms, although I guess thatis specific for

location? He said it was close enough to the brain stem that another few

weeks could have caused paralysis, Everything was stretched quite abit.

He thought it was a miracle I didn't have symptoms earlier. My taste

came back immediately and I had a huge dinner 5 hours after surgery.

Even hosital food tasted wonderful. I did have acupuncture to prepare me

for surgery, but they felt it was too late to treat it. It was the size

of 5 golf balls. I'm wondering if I should now pursue homeopathey or

acupuncture or chinese herbal treatment for this. Monkey paws? a chines

mushroom, were suggested by the sister of an acupuncturist. But she

wasn't sure this was the right English name.

Susien





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Brain Tumor

From: saratonyn <saratonyn@SPRINTMAIL.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 11:46:16 -0800

--------

Susien -



If you no longer suffer from any of the symptoms that you described

having prior to surgery, I'm unclear as to why you are seeking further

treatment whether it be homeopathy, acupuncture or herbal medicine.



If I understood your original post correctly, the remaining part of the

schwannoma had actually shrunk, correct?  If so, it sounds as though

you're doing a superb job on your current tx regimen.  Perhaps your best

bet is to simply continue doing what you've been doing; why "mess with

success", eh?



Again, keep up the great herbal life!





Regards,



Sheri





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: HERB

From: pirson <tlpirson@IAW.COM>

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 18:57:43 -0500

--------

DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A HERB I COULD USE TO HELP ME QUIT SMOKING? MY WILL

POWER ISN'T TO STRONG RIGHT NOW.THANKS.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB

From: Susan Vegors <susan@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 17:43:02 +0000

--------

Equinox has an herbal formula called stop smoking. It comes from

ancient chineese traditional medicine. My current understanding is

that these combinations of herbs have been known and used for

centuries to help break up all kinds of addictions, and smoking is

unfortunately a powerful addiction.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:30:21 -0900

--------

At 06:57 PM 3/19/97 -0500, pirson wrote:

>DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A HERB I COULD USE TO HELP ME QUIT SMOKING? MY WILL

>POWER ISN'T TO STRONG RIGHT NOW.THANKS.

>

>

Nicotine addiction has been compared to Heroin addiction and found to often

be even more powerfully addicting.  It is a difficult thing to quit.  I

have a friend who went through a 3 week process of quitting.  However, she

had help.  Her friends came in and took all her smoking stuff out of the

house, ash trays, cigarettes, etc.  They moved all the furniture so there

would be no psycological triggers for craving.  She was to not drink any

coffee or take any kind of stimulant.  Her daily routine was shifted so she

would not have the triggers. Her friends called several times a day to

chat, never mentioning smoking of course and too her out walking and

shopping (in non-smoking places of course). Basically, her friends filled

up her time and thoughts to keep her from dwelling on the cigarette stuff.

They even deodorized her house and car to help rid it of the smell of

tobacco.

She never needed any substitutes or herbs to help quit, just friends.

She's been smoke free for over a year now and says she has no desire to

start again.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB

From: Robin Stahr <DAYSTAHR@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 13:45:10 -0500

--------

Avena sativa otherwise known as oats, has been used to help with smoking

withdrawal. Also there are numerous homeopathic remedies on the market in

addition the oats.



Because the body goes through so much stress to withdraw B-complex taken 3X a

day can also help!  100mg tablets



Goodluck and good health!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Daystahr





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 18:53:53 GMT

--------

> Equinox has an herbal formula called stop smoking. It comes from

> ancient chineese traditional medicine. My current understanding is

> that these combinations of herbs have been known and used for

> centuries to help break up all kinds of addictions, and smoking is

> unfortunately a powerful addiction.



And you SELL this magical brew, or not?



There are NO formulas that can universally be used to fight addiction.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB

From: "Robert Emmet Kelly, Jr." <rekelly@EPIX.NET>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 16:31:04 -0500

--------

At 6:57 PM 3/19/97, pirson wrote:

>DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A HERB I COULD USE TO HELP ME QUIT SMOKING? MY WILL

>POWER ISN'T TO STRONG RIGHT NOW.THANKS.



I have recently been successful in ending a 45-year + nicotine habit using

a combination of lobelia/St. John's Wort and a stress-reducing combination

of primarily B Vitamins.  What I used was a commercial preparation in

capsule form, so I won't mention a brand name.



What led me to try this approach was a claim that lobelia (sometimes called

Indian Tobacco) is a nicotine analog, that it attaches to the same cellular

receptors that nicotine does, and thus replaces some of the need for true

nicotine.  In combination with St. John's Wort, which is claimed to

"support" the nervous system.  (Lord, I hate that term "support" when used

in this way.  It really tells nothing, but seems to offer something

positive.)  The other preparation also claims to benefit the nervous

system, 'especially when under stress'.



I can't say for sure that the herbs helped or did not help.  I can say that

I have been unsuccessful many times in the past in quitting, rarely getting

past 3 days, and having extreme anxiety while trying to quit.  This time,

it turned out to be rather easy.  In fact, I waited until I was off

nicotine for two weeks before even telling anyone that I had quit.  My

wife, who bore the brunt of my bad humor while quitting in the past, says

she saw no difference in my behavior and had no idea that I was doing what

I was doing.



I should also mention that I attended an eight-session stop smoking seminar

conducted by a local county helath department about two months before

finally quitting.  I'd guess that also had something to do with being

successful this time.



You must develop your own plan and strategy for quitting.  I wish you well

in doing so.  I'm happy that I did.



Bob Kelly





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 06:34:05 +0200

--------

At 06:57 PM 3/19/97 -0500, pirson wrote:

>DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A HERB I COULD USE TO HELP ME QUIT SMOKING? MY WILL

>POWER ISN'T TO STRONG RIGHT NOW.THANKS.

>

>

        You might want to try EPHEDRA (Ephedra sinica) as a decoction or a

tincture.  One study says that it helps by reducing cigarette cravings.

        Good luck!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 06:11:47 GMT

--------

> At 06:57 PM 3/19/97 -0500, pirson wrote:

> >DOES ANYONE KNOW OF A HERB I COULD USE TO HELP ME QUIT SMOKING? MY WILL

> >POWER ISN'T TO STRONG RIGHT NOW.THANKS.

> >

> >

>         You might want to try EPHEDRA (Ephedra sinica) as a decoction or a

> tincture.  One study says that it helps by reducing cigarette cravings.

>         Good luck!



Or blow your head off with a rifle.



Ephedra for stopping smoking is really, really dumb. Hot herbs for overheated

Lungs is a good way to cause internal bleeding.



'Studies' are a good way to wander in darkness forever.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 01:09:45 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-20 13:49:12 EST, you write:



<<

 Avena sativa otherwise known as oats, has been used to help with smoking

 withdrawal. Also there are numerous homeopathic remedies on the market in

 addition the oats.



 Because the body goes through so much stress to withdraw B-complex taken 3X

a

 day can also help!  100mg tablets>>



------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------



You might also look at Lobelia. I have heard it will help with the cravings.

{In fact recently (in the last 6 months), there was an article in the paper

about a research group that had just discovered the first effective

non-nicotine smoking withdrawl drug--and I believe they said it was Lobeline.

I wondered if at that time if it was a synthetic (and patent-able) form of

Lobelia.}



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy~





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Magnetic devices

From: Laurie Stewart <LStew25655@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 22:32:35 -0500

--------

Does anybody have any experiences with magneteic devices and there healing

Powers? I tried one for Rheumatism and it seemed to work.



Best wishes





Laurie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Magnetic devices

From: "M. Pacord" <Mpacord@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 14:04:34 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-20 12:40:27 EST, LStew25655@AOL.COM (Laurie Stewart)

writes:



<< Does anybody have any experiences with magneteic devices and there healing

 Powers? I tried one for Rheumatism and it seemed to work >>

Only anecdotally.  A few of my patients report feeling "better" when they

have vague regional pain.  If you accept the theories of biomagnetism, it

makes some sense.

Mike Acord, MD





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Thompson's Composition Powder

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 19 Mar 1997 23:36:43 -0500

--------

Has anyone made or used a version of Samuel Thompson's formula #2

Composition Powder?  This was perscribed by the Ecclectics for dysentery,

stomach and bowel pain and to increase vital heat.



It consists of :



2lbs. bayberry root bark

1 lb. hemlock inner bark

1 lb. ginger

2 oz. cayenne

2 oz. cloves



Before I make up a batch as suggested in a course, I want to know that it

is worth while.  (Bayberry root bark is $21.85 a pound from Frontier,

with a pound minimum, so the expense is a consideration.) Can it be

tinctured to preserve it?  And does anyone know a source for the inner

bark of hemlock (trees)?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thompson's Composition Powder

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 09:52:14 -0900

--------

At 11:36 PM 3/19/97 -0500, Karen Vaughan wrote:

>Has anyone made or used a version of Samuel Thompson's formula #2

>Composition Powder?  This was perscribed by the Ecclectics for dysentery,

>stomach and bowel pain and to increase vital heat.

>

>It consists of :

>

>2lbs. bayberry root bark

>1 lb. hemlock inner bark

>1 lb. ginger

>2 oz. cayenne

>2 oz. cloves

>

>Before I make up a batch as suggested in a course, I want to know that it

>is worth while.  (Bayberry root bark is $21.85 a pound from Frontier,

>with a pound minimum, so the expense is a consideration.) Can it be

>tinctured to preserve it?  And does anyone know a source for the inner

>bark of hemlock (trees)?

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>

>

I have often used this formula and found it very good.  I've used it for

mild flu symptoms and colds with good effect.  It's also very soothing to

an upset stomach.  I have a large jar of it mixed in my cupboard at all

times.  You can get the hemlock bark from R. Hartenthaler in Delaware but

you can substitute pine bark with a similar effect.  In fact for

congestion, I find using pine bark superior to hemlock bark.  BTW, I have

used fresh Hemlock bark, adding it to the other dried ingredients and found

it more effective. But, I'm surrounded by Hemlock trees, you may not be.

Go for it, it's very good.

Another recipe is:

Myrica cer.. 4 ounces; Zingiberis, 2 ounces; Pinus can., 1 ounce, Caryoph.,

1 dram; Capsicum, 1 dram. All ingredients are powdered.  You can substitue

White Pine bark for the Hemlock bark.

It's used at the beginning of colds, beginning of fevers, flu, hoarseness,

sluggish circulation, colic, cramps, clears canker of the stomach and

raisese heat of the body equalizing circulation and removes congestions.

For older or weaker patients try this formula:

Myrica cer, 12 oz.; Zingiber., 12 oz.; White Poplar Bark , 6 oz; Pinus can,

4 oz.; cayenne, 4 drams.  Useful in urinary tract weakness and lumbar pain.

Be sure when you make an infusion to allow powders to settle to the bottom

of the cup and drink off the liquid.  The powder can cause nausea in most

stomachs.

I've also found the the addition of a little liquorice root smoothes out

the formula and makes it gentler.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: information

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 23:11:03 UT

--------

I just tried to get in touch with Bergner Communication to subscribe to

Medical herbalism. When I called the number that was listed on the Web site I

got a recording that said it had been disconnected. Does anyone know how to

get in contact to get a subscription?   thanks   John J2030@msn.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: information

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:12:19 +0200

--------

At 11:11 PM 3/20/97 UT, you wrote:

>I just tried to get in touch with Bergner Communication to subscribe to

>Medical herbalism. When I called the number that was listed on the Web site I

>got a recording that said it had been disconnected. Does anyone know how to

>get in contact to get a subscription?   thanks   John J2030@msn.com

>



Sorry I can't help you, but I would be interested in the Web site location.

Please post it.

Thanks,



Larissa





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: information

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 05:37:41 GMT

--------

On Fri, 21 Mar 1997 07:12:19 +0200, Katt <katt@NIU.EDU> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>At 11:11 PM 3/20/97 UT, you wrote:

>>I just tried to get in touch with Bergner Communication to subscribe to

>>Medical herbalism. When I called the number that was listed on the Web site I

>>got a recording that said it had been disconnected. Does anyone know how to

>>get in contact to get a subscription?   thanks   John J2030@msn.com

>

>Sorry I can't help you, but I would be interested in the Web site location.

>Please post it.



From the medicinal herbfaq:



*    Medical Herbalism

     Good stuff. Sample copy available on Herbal Hall:

     http://www.herb.com/medhrb.htm.



New address:

     Bergner Communications, P.O.Box 20512, Boulder, CO 80308

     Phone (303)-541-9552

     Quarterly, USD 36/yr (Canada USD 39/yr, Foreign USD 45/yr).

     They don't take credit cards.



No commercial interest.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Astragalus, Echinacea, other immune enhancers

From: "Bernadette C. Tan" <bct@PHILONLINE.COM.PH>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 03:19:52 +0800

--------

Dear All,



My niece only 14 mos. old is suffering from Acute Myeloid Leukemia. She had

undergone 2 phase of induction chemotheraphy already and is now home resting

and rejuvenating.



I would like to know if Echinacea (commercialized and available in Wal-Mart

etc.) could be given to my niece. How effective are they? Don't they have

side effects (since they are mass produced)? How about Astragalus? I read it

is very helpful in terms of boosting the immune system. How can I know more

about these herbs? what are they like? where can they usually be found? Does

anyone know the Chinese names for these?



need help--thanks,

Bernadette





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Astragalus, Echinacea, other immune enhancers

From: saratonyn <saratonyn@SPRINTMAIL.COM>

Date: Thu, 20 Mar 1997 12:37:19 -0800

--------

Bernadette -



IMHO the very best thing you can do for your niece is to take her to see

an herbalist IN PERSON.  At 14 mos old, many herbs are too strong for

her to take, at least at full strength.  It would seem too risky to

offer suggestions for a unseen, weakened child, well under 2 years of

age.



However, it's wonderful to see that you are so caring and so concerned

for her and that you've turned to nature for assistance! She's already

blessed with a loving and wise aunt!



If you don't know of any herbalists in your area, I'm sure someone on

the list could recommend a name if you care to share your general

location.



Best of luck! (And remember prayer is always an option!)





Regards,



Sheri





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Astragalus, Echinacea, other immune enhancers

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:24:58 +0200

--------

At 03:19 AM 3/22/97 +0800, Bernadette C. Tan wrote:

>Dear All,

>

>My niece only 14 mos. old is suffering from Acute Myeloid Leukemia. She had

>undergone 2 phase of induction chemotheraphy already and is now home resting

>and rejuvenating.

>

>I would like to know if Echinacea (commercialized and available in Wal-Mart

>etc.) could be given to my niece. How effective are they? Don't they have

>side effects (since they are mass produced)? How about Astragalus? I read it

>is very helpful in terms of boosting the immune system. How can I know more

>about these herbs? what are they like? where can they usually be found? Does

>anyone know the Chinese names for these?

>

>need help--thanks,

>Bernadette

>

>

I'm sorry to hear about your niece!  Chemotherapy is tough on anyone, but

for someone so young it must really be difficult.



Echinacea has shown possible anti-cancer activity against luekemia, and it

is recommended as an immunostimulant.  However, it is not recommended for

children under the age of 2.  If you want to try it, use a low-strength

preparation and be sure to check for preparations packaged under the Food

and Drug Administration.  There have been a few reports of bulk echinacea

root being adulterated, and the FDA regualtions help to ensure purtiy.



Good luck!



Larissa





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Astragalus, Echinacea, other immune enhancers

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:03:27 GMT

--------

> I would like to know if Echinacea (commercialized and available in Wal-Mart

> etc.) could be given to my niece. How effective are they? Don't they have

> side effects (since they are mass produced)? How about Astragalus? I read

it

> is very helpful in terms of boosting the immune system. How can I know more

> about these herbs? what are they like? where can they usually be found?

Does

> anyone know the Chinese names for these?



There is no useful Chinese name for Echinacea...it doesn't grow there.

Astragalus is Huang qi (not the same 'qi' as Qi).



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Astragalus, Echinacea, other immune enhancers

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 08:02:49 -0900

--------

At 03:19 AM 3/22/97 +0800, Bernadette C. Tan wrote:

>Dear All,

>

>My niece only 14 mos. old is suffering from Acute Myeloid Leukemia. She had

>undergone 2 phase of induction chemotheraphy already and is now home resting

>and rejuvenating.

>

>I would like to know if Echinacea (commercialized and available in Wal-Mart

>etc.) could be given to my niece. How effective are they? Don't they have

>side effects (since they are mass produced)? How about Astragalus? I read it

>is very helpful in terms of boosting the immune system. How can I know more

>about these herbs? what are they like? where can they usually be found? Does

>anyone know the Chinese names for these?

>

>need help--thanks,

>Bernadette

>

>

Better would be something like Burdock, curley or yellow dock, sheep

sorrel, red clover and other alterative herbs.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: How to make tea from ginger root?

From: Walter Semerenko <walter@ORLINTER.COM>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 22:39:27 +0000

--------

Title says all.



Walter.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: How to make tea from ginger root?

From: Alicia Corbett <acorbett@ASU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:13:07 -0700

--------

        I like to put about a teaspoon of freshly grated ginger into a

mug, add boiling water, and let steep until it's as powerful as you want it.



Alicia Corbett                                                acorbett@asu.edu

------------------------------------------------------------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Those Dirty Ears!

From: Karyn Farrell <Syber12@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 21 Mar 1997 21:47:41 -0500

--------

I have a 9 year old son who walks around with tons of wax in his ears.  I

have him clean his ears with Q-tips, however, the following day, his ears are

yellow again.  Any advise on what I can do to rid him of those "yellow ears?"





Thanks,

Karyn





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Those Dirty Ears!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:03:11 GMT

--------

> I have a 9 year old son who walks around with tons of wax in his ears.  I

> have him clean his ears with Q-tips, however, the following day, his ears

are

> yellow again.  Any advise on what I can do to rid him of those "yellow

ears?"



Ear wax is a form of Dampness accumulating, with Heat. Is this child also

prone to athlete's foot or body odor?



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Those Dirty Ears!

From: Penny Harris <ONECENT36@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 11:35:47 -0500

--------

DON'T USE Q-TIPS they help pack the ears  My grandmother used warm mineral

oil

to deter wax





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Those Dirty Ears!

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 08:19:28 -0900

--------

At 09:47 PM 3/21/97 -0500, Karyn Farrell wrote:

>I have a 9 year old son who walks around with tons of wax in his ears.  I

>have him clean his ears with Q-tips, however, the following day, his ears are

>yellow again.  Any advise on what I can do to rid him of those "yellow ears?"

>

>

>Thanks,

>Karyn

>

>

Use ear candles.  They can be purchsed by mail order in some herbal

magazines.  There are also videos available on "how-to".  Ear candles have

helped my very waxy-eared husband.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Those Dirty Ears!

From: Karyn Farrell <Syber12@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 20:16:07 -0500

--------

Thanks for your prompt reply.



NO...he is not prone to athlethes foot or body odor; if fact he never had/has

either.

Someone mentioned "ear candles or wax candles" what is your opinion.



TIA

Karyn





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Those Dirty Ears!

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 22:11:53 -0500

--------

>> I have a 9 year old son who walks around with tons of wax in his ears.  I

>> have him clean his ears with Q-tips, however, the following day, his ears

>are

>> yellow again.  Any advise on what I can do to rid him of those "yellow

>ears?"

>

>Ear wax is a form of Dampness accumulating, with Heat. Is this child also

>prone to athlete's foot or body odor?

>

>Paul

My child had athletes feet last year,and has waxy ears...what do you suggest?



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Those Dirty Ears!

From: Robin Stahr <DAYSTAHR@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 09:36:01 -0500

--------

Earcandles create a warm suction to remove the earwax from the ear. If you

would like additional information from a woman who not only teaches the

technique , but also makes them herself write to



Malone@horizon.bc.ca



I've used the earcandling on many people and its is very effective.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Those Dirty Ears!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:01:52 GMT

--------

> >Ear wax is a form of Dampness accumulating, with Heat. Is this child also

> >prone to athlete's foot or body odor?

> >

> >Paul

> My child had athletes feet last year,and has waxy ears...what do you

suggest?



Athlete's foot is a more typical expression of Dampness and (often) Heat.

Children have highly active metabolisms and weak Digestion...they are prone

to such problems.



My overall recommendations stand: reduced fruit and fruit juice (and other

obvious sources of excess Sweet); warm meals, taken without undue distraction

(tv); sufficient exercise daily, including walking.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Winter skin

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 06:31:33 +0200

--------

Dear Everone,



        Winter is hard on your skin, but especially if you already have sensitive

skin.  My mother-in-law developed very dry, flaky skin around her nose,

across her shoulder blades, and on her upper chest.  She has switched to

Arm and Hammer laundry detergent and that helped a little bit.  I told her

she should use an aloe and chamomile cream on the areas to relieve some of

the itchiness.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Winter skin

From: "Julie A. Mitchell" <jamitche@ZOO.UVM.EDU>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 15:00:44 -0500

--------

Try increasing the intake of essential fatty acids in the form of flax

seed oil, borage oil, even cod liver oil. Capsules are available  and

also the oils in pure form can be used directly on salads or any other

foods as long as they are not heated. Good luck!



88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888



Julie Mitchell

RR 1 Box 54

New Haven, VT. 05472



888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888









On Sat, 22 Mar 1997, Katt wrote:



> Dear Everone,

>

>         Winter is hard on your skin, but especially if you already have sensitiv

> e

> skin.  My mother-in-law developed very dry, flaky skin around her nose,

> across her shoulder blades, and on her upper chest.  She has switched to

> Arm and Hammer laundry detergent and that helped a little bit.  I told her

> she should use an aloe and chamomile cream on the areas to relieve some of

> the itchiness.  Does anyone have any other suggestions?

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: More on coughing singer

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:02:29 GMT

--------

> "  I'm talking about AFTER the

> flu is gone, no more sickness, no more yellow or green sputum, but now a

> cough that lingers since my lungs were irritated.  Pure chronic bronchitis.

> Coughing just for coughing.  I've had this since a little boy.  Not all the

> time, just when something irritates the lungs, like sickness, then AFTER

the

> sickness is gone the cough will linger for 3-4 weeks.  I sing in a band,

> which is the main reason this is a problem."



Pear juice and peppermint tea.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: More on coughing singer

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:55:44 -0500

--------

This describes his condition in his own words.



"  I'm talking about AFTER the

flu is gone, no more sickness, no more yellow or green sputum, but now a

cough that lingers since my lungs were irritated.  Pure chronic bronchitis.

Coughing just for coughing.  I've had this since a little boy.  Not all the

time, just when something irritates the lungs, like sickness, then AFTER the

sickness is gone the cough will linger for 3-4 weeks.  I sing in a band,

which is the main reason this is a problem."



T.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Qi depletion

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:03:00 GMT

--------

> Yes and I have more energy but it is not frenetic. I seem to be calmer.

> I did have two unusual nights sleep. Restless, felt as if I was awake,

> when I was asleep, and felt as if my blood pressure was skyrocketing but

> I know it wasn't. It was more like feeling wired; usually I am rather

> placcid, although I can work for hours without drooping.



Well, that all sounds like Kidney/Liver Heat. You must be an overworker.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Qi depletion

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 05:26:45 -0500

--------

FromSusien

 my cold is winding down. I am getting winded

> now.

Form paul

That is Qi depletion from the cold. I assume it is better now.

From Susien

Yes and I have more energy but it is not frenetic. I seem to be calmer.

I did have two unusual nights sleep. Restless, felt as if I was awake,

when I was asleep, and felt as if my blood pressure was skyrocketing but

I know it wasn't. It was more like feeling wired; usually I am rather

placcid, although I can work for hours without drooping.

Susien





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Qi depletion

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 22:11:46 -0500

--------

>> Yes and I have more energy but it is not frenetic. I seem to be calmer.

>> I did have two unusual nights sleep. Restless, felt as if I was awake,

>> when I was asleep, and felt as if my blood pressure was skyrocketing but

>> I know it wasn't. It was more like feeling wired; usually I am rather

>> placcid, although I can work for hours without drooping.

>

>Well, that all sounds like Kidney/Liver Heat. You must be an overworker.

>

>Paul

What do you suggest for kidney/liver heat?



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fruits, sugars, diet

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:58:47 GMT

--------

> Just some of the things you would lose are protien, potassium, calcium,

> and iron.  All of these are essential to the body's functioning.



If you think you get protein from fruit, you are VERY ill informed indeed.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: fruits, sugars, diet

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:45:45 +0200

--------

        I bet that eating fruits will clean out your digestive track!  It's

generally called a bad case of diarrhea.  Eating one type of fruit will not

only cause dihydration and body stress, but the info offered said

grapefuits were a good choice.  This will raise body pH, causing any number

of problems.

        On top of everything, while an incomplete diet for a week will not kill

you (look at most of America), it is probably not the smartest thing to do.

 Just some of the things you would lose are protien, potassium, calcium,

and iron.  All of these are essential to the body's functioning.  And if

you drink only the juice, you loss fiber, too.

        I would urge you to take a second look at all of this "exellent" Website.

The reason it is news to you is because there is little of value.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Coughing singer

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 10:51:30 -0500

--------

What would you suggest to a male singer who always develops a dry hacking

cough that lasts for weeks after any flu or bronchitis?



The illnesses were treated with Echinacea and Goldenseal.



Question for Paul-What would be involved when the lungs remain so irritated

after the illness has passed.  This is not an asthmatic or overtly allergic

type of person.

What questions should I be asking?

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re..../Ginko

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 12:48:44 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-15 10:10:19 EST, you write:



<< I got a small Ginko plant from one of our nursery >>

According to HERBS FOR HEALTH summer 1996 issue the Ginkgo biloba tree leaves

are brewed like tea. If you get a headache from it discontinue use. Luvlylin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: looking for...

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 13:01:18 -0500

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I'm looking for a source for both jaborandi and whole henna leaf....anyone

know of one?



Maureen Rogers

http://www.herbnet.com

http://www.herbalconnection.com

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Avoiding  Alcohol in Tinctures

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 16:17:23 -0500

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Vinegar will work on many herbs with water-soluble active principles.

THe acid makes extraction more effective than with water alone.  But you

need to take larger doses:  30 drops vs. a tablespoon on many herbs.  The

acid helps make many minerals more bioavailable, so herbs like horsetail,

, oatstraw and rasberry leaf, for instance, help provide calcium and

related minerals to the bones.



I have used glycerine cut 50% with water to extract herbs.  The tincture

isn't quite as strong, but it works.



Some herbs can be extracted in alcohol and evaporated down into powder or

resin (volatile oils are probably lost:  don't try with mints.)  Probably

good for resinous herbs like myrrh, rosemary, etc.



Susun Weed advises that a standard tincture alcohol dosage in a full

glass of water, shaken 100 times, is the homeopathic remedy for

alcoholism, but I can understand that a recovering alcoholic might want

to avoid it.



Overnight infusions of herbs (stronger than the 15 minute variety) are a

good alternative if they can take the taste, which of course varies.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

On Sat, 22 Mar 1997 04:13:42 +0200 Katt <katt@NIU.EDU> writes:



>I've been told that warm apple cider vinegar can be used to replace

>alcohol, but I have never made tinctures because I have an allergy to

>alcohol.  Have you tried this method for some of your clients, and if

>so,

>is it equivalent?  How do you use the glucose?

>

>Larissa

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: skin problem

From: "Cynthia L. Bowling" <Clbmail@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 18:08:12 -0500

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  Greetings, all!  I am new to this list and have been monitoring it for a

couple of weeks now.  I very much appreciate the honest give and take that

seems to go on.



   I'd like to add my support to Paul's comment about dermatologists being

serious quacks.  I have had a strange skin problem for a couple of years and

have been to a couple of doctors about it.  Guess what the last one

recommended?  Zoloft!!  Must be the modern-day equivalent of doctors giving

women tranquilizers when they couldn't figure out what was wrong with them,

so it obviously had to be a "nervous" disorder.



  I've tried antifungal creams/washes, antibacterial creams and am now trying

a zinc oxide cream, which is helping a little.  These eruptions heal VERY

slowly.  Each new eruption first appears as a small to medium-sized pimple or

acne-like mound containing a substance a little thicker than water and a

little sore to the touch.  Usually, if I try to squeeze it, nothing comes

out.  The substances goes "underground."  But even if something comes out, it

leaves a deeper cavity than a regular pimple.  It then scabs over with a

light, scaly sort of scab that usually has an irregular shape and just isn't

your regular type of scab.  If I scratch or pick at it {which I hate

admitting that I do}, it seems like the edges of the scab are hooked into the

skin more than regular scabs.  At any rate, it's either red and ugly or

scabbed over and ugly.  Right now, the eruptions appear mostly on my upper

arms, left thigh and left hip, with a few on my back.  They are occasionally

on other parts of my body {rarely below the knee}.  It almost went away at

one point, but broke out again badly after a camping trip where it rained the

whole weekend {which made me think it was fungal}.



   For what it's worth, I have that skin condition where your system releases

histamines for no "apparent" reason, making you itch and leaving big red

blotches if you scratch it that go away in about 15 minutes.  While I'm not

aware of any connection with the eruptions, it's certainly kicked up a little

lately.  Years ago, I went to a dermatologist for THAT, who put me on some

drug that controlled it, all right, but made me very sluggish.  I decided to

quit taking it and just live with it.  Until now.



  I've probably given more information here than anyone cares to know, but

I've had it with this thing.  I have only recently started paying attention

to my health in terms of eating well, getting enough sleep and building up my

immune system.  My decision to join this group is part of my overall attempt

to take better care of myself and to pass along anything I learn in the

process.  Any help any of you can give will be very much appreciated.



Cynthia





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin problem

From: Karyn Farrell <Syber12@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:33:05 -0500

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I don't know what kind of skin condition you have, but I have a weird

condition where I get one large red splotch and within that splotch their are

many pinheads filled, I think with pus. It runs its course and eventually

opens up and leaves.  I had gone to dermatologists but they did not help any.

 Then one day, I happened to be at the GYN and happen to have this splotch.

 He told me it was no big deal and to put Hydrocortisone on it.  I have done

this and it does help. I still get these splotches (pimples) occasionally,

and in fact I have it right now, but the hydrocortisone sure clears it up

fast.  You can buy it over the counter and it comes in .5% and 1% strengths.

 Try it, if you haven't, it can't hurt.



Good Luck,

Karyn





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin problem

From: "--   Bridget A. Croft" <BCroft3363@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 15:48:17 -0500

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Karen :



BE CAREFUL, continued use of Hydrocortisone ointment thins the skin according

to my MD but you are right it will cure almost any skin ailment!



Regards,



Bridget





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin problem

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:23:17 +0200

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At 03:48 PM 3/25/97 -0500, --   Bridget A. Croft wrote:

>Karen :

>

>BE CAREFUL, continued use of Hydrocortisone ointment thins the skin according

>to my MD but you are right it will cure almost any skin ailment!

>

>Regards,

>

>Bridget

>

>

Just a side note, start with the .05% cream or ointment.  The least amount

of the steriod, the better!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin problem

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:03:40 GMT

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> I don't know what kind of skin condition you have, but I have a weird

> condition where I get one large red splotch and within that splotch their

are

> many pinheads filled, I think with pus. It runs its course and eventually

> opens up and leaves.  I had gone to dermatologists but they did not help

any.

>  Then one day, I happened to be at the GYN and happen to have this splotch.

>  He told me it was no big deal and to put Hydrocortisone on it.  I have

done

> this and it does help.



A bad idea. Shutting off the alarm bell is NOT healing.



>I still get these splotches (pimples) occasionally,

> and in fact I have it right now, but the hydrocortisone sure clears it up

> fast.  You can buy it over the counter and it comes in .5% and 1%

strengths.

>  Try it, if you haven't, it can't hurt.



You have a constitutional illness best removed by a constitutional, minimum

dose homeopath, not suppressed by cortisone cream.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin problem

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:08:45 -0900

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At 11:33 AM 3/25/97 -0500, Karyn Farrell wrote:

>I don't know what kind of skin condition you have, but I have a weird

>condition where I get one large red splotch and within that splotch their are

>many pinheads filled, I think with pus. It runs its course and eventually

>opens up and leaves.  I had gone to dermatologists but they did not help any.

> Then one day, I happened to be at the GYN and happen to have this splotch.

> He told me it was no big deal and to put Hydrocortisone on it.  I have done

>this and it does help. I still get these splotches (pimples) occasionally,

>and in fact I have it right now, but the hydrocortisone sure clears it up

>fast.  You can buy it over the counter and it comes in .5% and 1% strengths.

> Try it, if you haven't, it can't hurt.

>

>Good Luck,

>Karyn

>

>

Excuse me, but cortisone, even applied externally most certainly will hurt.

 It collects.  Every time you use it it gets worse.  Cortisone is attracted

to cardiac muscle and weakens it.  You do not want to put steroids on an

unknown rash.  It may seem to help initially but you may find that you need

more frequent applications with stronger and stronger stuff to get results.

Rashes are the result of internal problems.  Slathering them with salves

and creams may bring some immediate relief but will never cure the problem.

 Rashes almost always indicate heat trying to escape. (Heat is

inflammation).  You must find the source of the heat and treat it to cure

the problem.

Cortisone is NOT the "safe" thing doctors percieve it to be.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin problem

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:13:11 -0900

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At 03:48 PM 3/25/97 -0500, --   Bridget A. Croft wrote:

>Karen :

>

>BE CAREFUL, continued use of Hydrocortisone ointment thins the skin according

>to my MD but you are right it will cure almost any skin ailment!

>

>Regards,

>

>Bridget

>

>

No.  It does not cure anything.  It masks symptoms so the underlying cause

is never discovered and cured.  I have yet to see a complete cure using

cortisone.  Just continuing prescriptions.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin problem

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:19:23 -0500

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In a message dated 97-03-26 20:07:53 EST, you write:



<<

 >BE CAREFUL, continued use of Hydrocortisone ointment thins the skin

according

 >to my MD but you are right it will cure almost any skin ailment!

 >

 >Regards,

 >

 >Bridget

 >

 >

 No.  It does not cure anything.  It masks symptoms so the underlying cause

 is never discovered and cured.  I have yet to see a complete cure using

 cortisone.  Just continuing prescriptions.>>

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

--------------------------------------------



Consider the fact that if there are internal problems trying to exit via the

skin and you stop that from happening topically (cortisone), it does not cure

the problem. The internal problem has lost its safety valve--it is

"suppressed". Internal problems, when suppressed, go deeper and attack more

vital organs. Treat the cause, not the symptom. (ie: There is a correlation

seen between the suppression of eczema type conditions and the onset of

asthma.)



Wishing you all wellness,



Kathy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin problem

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:01:58 GMT

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> My experience with hydrocortisone is that it's ineffective after serveral

> uses. Seems like your body just gets used to it and doesn't work after

> awhile.



And that is good, since it is non-curative to begin with. THAT your body can

continue to produce this external sign of health imbalance even against the

gradient of such pharmaceutical tinkering and suppression...that is the sign

that you are still healthy.



When the cortisone WORKS, "cures", that is when you need to worry.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin problem

From: Rosemarie Rairie <Rrairie@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 10:19:17 -0500

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In a message dated 3/27/97 1:07:27 AM, hales1@KTN.NET (Anita Hales) wrote:



<<Hydrocortisone ointment>>



My experience with hydrocortisone is that it's ineffective after serveral

uses. Seems like your body just gets used to it and doesn't work after

awhile.  -- Just my 2c worth.

Rose





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin problem

From: Karyn Farrell <Syber12@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 15:44:24 -0500

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Do you have any ideas, Paul?



Thanks,

Karyn





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Need info....

From: "(Samy Starr)" <SheStarr@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 19:13:13 -0500

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Hi everyone,



Is there a good place to research the references to European studies (as well

as the reference to Sloan Kettering) mentioned on:



http://members.aol.com/NUTRAHEAL/index.html





Thanks,



Samy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Longevity

From: Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

Date: Sat, 22 Mar 1997 21:08:13 -0500

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Dear Paul et al:



On the longevity question:



        Two years ago, I interviewed my Vietnamese doctor for a possible

book project. He has a very unusual life story, one aspect of which was

that from the age of 14, he spent seven years living in the dark in a cave

several miles deep inside a mountain near the Cambodian border. This was

the final phase of his studies as directed by his father, who was a highly

esteemed monk and itinerant doctor. While Quang was in the cave, he was

taught herbalism, various forms of meditation, and martial arts by the same

man who had taught his father AND his grandfather. He says that his master

was approximately 150 at the time he knew him, and that he believes this

man could still be alive, because he had so refined his body through

meditation that he could live on nothing but the atmosphere in the cave,

plus the occasional ingestion of a fungus that grew on the walls.



        I believe Quang's story because he himself is such an unusual

person. However, I imagine that anyone else who would wish to live to be so

ancient would need to know a lot about how to discipline one's bodily

processes. I doubt, especially in this polluted world, that a special diet

is enough.



        Incidentally, Quang recently returned to Vietnam and went to the

mountain to try and find the entrance to the cave. The jungle was all gone,

and a big American hotel now sprawls across the side of mountain. . .



Rondi





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Need Advice

From: Sherri <seer7@DNACO.NET>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 08:32:07 -0500

--------

Hello,



My name is Sherri and I am a recent subscriber to this list.  I would

appreciate any help that you could lend me.  I was recently diagnosed

with moderately severe pulmonary emphysema.  I can get air in at 99%

but can only get the toxins and gases back out at 58%.  They also tested

me with a treatment of 5 mg Albuterol and .5 mg Atrovent.  The result

after treatment showed marked decrease in diffusing capacity with

insignificant improvement after treatment of the above drugs.  I am a 30

year smoker who is just about to quit...(working on mental quit first)

And have been exposed to just about every toxin around on my job in a

brake factory.  (making the pads and grinding them)  I am now on

sickleave and my chronic sinus problem, that no amount of medication

could clear up while inside the factory, is 80% better since out of

there.  My sinus constantly drained down my throat which I feel is one

of the reasons I have this emphysema.  No, I am not in denial of the

cig. smoking being a factor, but I do know how much better I am feeling

out of the industrial dust.



So..my questions:  Does anyone know of lung cleansing herbs and do you

know which industial dusts cause this emphysema.  The American Lung

Assoc. now says that industrial dusts are a factor.





Sherri

seer7@dnaco.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: JohnA <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 19:03:44 -0800

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Sherri wrote:

 I was recently diagnosed

> with moderately severe pulmonary emphysema.





Someone I know has been diagnosed with emphysema and has only smoked for

4 yrs.  She was told by the doctors that smoking DOES NOT cause

Emphysema.  She was further told that there is no cure for the

disease and that scarring has occurred on the cells which take in the

oxygen from the air breathed into the lungs.



Does anyone know if this is true...the part about it being incurable?



She is only 36 and the Dr. has advised her to get an oxygen tank

already.  He put her on steroids too.



John A





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: Paul Rieselman <z941927@OATS.FARM.NIU.EDU>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 21:36:57 -0600

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I don't know where you live, but if you are in a state that licenses

naturopathic physicians, that would be the best start for your case...if

not, perhaps a licensed acupuncturist...one thing for sure, is that you

need to detoxify your body...and with the info you had stated, it doesn't

seem like you should tackle your problem alone...herbs, acupuncture, or

even homeopathy would help you...but, seek the help of a qualified

individual that has experience.



sincerely,



paul.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: Paul Rieselman <z941927@OATS.FARM.NIU.EDU>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 21:40:41 -0600

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I'm sure there is a cure for this kind of problem...and well, we all have

the common sense to know that smoking has to have SOME kind of impact with

a case like that...anyhow, it is advisable to seek treatment from a

naturopathic physician, or licensed acupuncturist...



don't give up, look for help in other places...



paul. (2?)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: Bruce Mencer <BAMencer@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 23:30:52 -0500

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In a message dated 97-03-23 22:05:44 EST, you write:



<< So..my questions:  Does anyone know of lung cleansing herbs and do you

 know which industial dusts cause this emphysema.  The American Lung

 Assoc. now says that industrial dusts are a factor.

  >>

Perhaps asbestos???





Bruce





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:31:35 -0900

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At 08:32 AM 3/23/97 -0500, Sherri wrote:

>Hello,

>

>My name is Sherri and I am a recent subscriber to this list.  I would

>appreciate any help that you could lend me.  I was recently diagnosed

>with moderately severe pulmonary emphysema.  I can get air in at 99%

>but can only get the toxins and gases back out at 58%.  They also tested

>me with a treatment of 5 mg Albuterol and .5 mg Atrovent.  The result

>after treatment showed marked decrease in diffusing capacity with

>insignificant improvement after treatment of the above drugs.  I am a 30

>year smoker who is just about to quit...(working on mental quit first)

>And have been exposed to just about every toxin around on my job in a

>brake factory.  (making the pads and grinding them)  I am now on

>sickleave and my chronic sinus problem, that no amount of medication

>could clear up while inside the factory, is 80% better since out of

>there.  My sinus constantly drained down my throat which I feel is one

>of the reasons I have this emphysema.  No, I am not in denial of the

>cig. smoking being a factor, but I do know how much better I am feeling

>out of the industrial dust.

>

>So..my questions:  Does anyone know of lung cleansing herbs and do you

>know which industial dusts cause this emphysema.  The American Lung

>Assoc. now says that industrial dusts are a factor.

>

>

>Sherri

>seer7@dnaco.net

>

>

You need more than just your lungs cleaned out.  Some good alteratives

would be in order, such as Burdock and Red Clover.  You need to have a

massive intake of water (at least a liter a day).  Take those cigarettes

and get them out of your life NOW! (Yes I am shouting but it's for your own

good.)  You have no business putting your lungs through that daily ordeal

especially in light of your emphysema.  I just watched a very dear friend

die of that disease a short time ago.  I watched her gasp for every breath

and waste away to nothing.  She didn't smoke but her husband did.  He's

still alive but she died from his smoking.  Over the years I have seen

several of my good friends die from smoking related disease.  Please,

Please, please, do yourself and those you love a big favor and go throw

those vile things in the river and don't look back.  Don't do it tomorrow.

Do it now!!!!!

Then go get yourself some Burdock, Peppermint, Comfrey and Mullein and

maybe a little Lobelia.  Burdock is an alterative (blood cleanser),

Peppermint is an aromatic, comfrey and Mullein are both soothing demulcents

particularly good for lungs and lobelia relaxes tissues and can reduce

swelling in the bronchii.  I'm sure there are other herbs to help as well.

Watch the list.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:31:42 -0900

--------

At 07:03 PM 3/23/97 -0800, JohnA wrote:

>Sherri wrote:

> I was recently diagnosed

>> with moderately severe pulmonary emphysema.

>

>

>Someone I know has been diagnosed with emphysema and has only smoked for

>4 yrs.  She was told by the doctors that smoking DOES NOT cause

>Emphysema.  She was further told that there is no cure for the

>disease and that scarring has occurred on the cells which take in the

>oxygen from the air breathed into the lungs.

>

>Does anyone know if this is true...the part about it being incurable?

>

>She is only 36 and the Dr. has advised her to get an oxygen tank

>already.  He put her on steroids too.

>

>John A

>

>

The steroids will do wonders towards weakening her heart muscle.  Much can

be done by a knowledgeble practitioner.  My choice for this ailment would

be a Chinese doctor and acupuncturist.  Second choice would be homeopathy

with acupuncture.  Forgetting, of course, the steroids.  This is a case for

a professional.  There are Western herbal remedies that could be helpful as

well.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:23:02 GMT

--------

> >And have been exposed to just about every toxin around on my job in a

> >brake factory.  (making the pads and grinding them)  I am now on

> >sickleave and my chronic sinus problem, that no amount of medication

> >could clear up while inside the factory, is 80% better since out of

> >there.  My sinus constantly drained down my throat which I feel is one

> >of the reasons I have this emphysema.  No, I am not in denial of the

> >cig. smoking being a factor, but I do know how much better I am feeling

> >out of the industrial dust.



High dose vitamin C is one of the first courses of action. L-cysteine

supplementation also. Look for a good 'antioxidant' formula with those two

factors heavily represented. It will be fairly costly.



Stay away from the pharmaceutical drugs unless you want to deal with THOSE

toxins as well.



See an acupuncturist/Chinese healer for a syndrome differentiation and

appropriate herbs/acupuncture treatment.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 10:48:00 GMT

--------

> Paul, I thought Vitamin A was the antioxidant of choice for the lungs.

>  Wouldn't this be  a prime addition to his daily intake?

>

> Kay



> > >And have been exposed to just about every toxin around on my job in a

> > >brake factory.  (making the pads and grinding them)  I am now on

> > >sickleave and my chronic sinus problem, that no amount of medication

> > >could clear up while inside the factory, is 80% better since out of

> > >there.  My sinus constantly drained down my throat which I feel is one

> > >of the reasons I have this emphysema.  No, I am not in denial of the

> > >cig. smoking being a factor, but I do know how much better I am feeling

> > >out of the industrial dust.

>

> High dose vitamin C is one of the first courses of action. L-cysteine

> supplementation also. Look for a good 'antioxidant' formula with those two

> factors heavily represented. It will be fairly costly.



The issue is the arsenic and other trace metals associated with brake repair.

Vitamin C is the fundamental chelating agent for those minerals in the body.

True, as you say, vitamin A is very useful for helping the lung tissue...but

the first focus should be to get as much of the toxins out as possible, and

any formula with vitamin A and cysteine will have vitamin A in it as well.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: "Sandow, Kay" <KSANDOW@HQ.ROW.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 12:48:00 -0500

--------

Paul, I thought Vitamin A was the antioxidant of choice for the lungs.

 Wouldn't this be  a prime addition to his daily intake?



Kay

 ----------

From: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

To: HERB

Subject: Re: Need Advice

Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 12:33PM



> >And have been exposed to just about every toxin around on my job in a

> >brake factory.  (making the pads and grinding them)  I am now on

> >sickleave and my chronic sinus problem, that no amount of medication

> >could clear up while inside the factory, is 80% better since out of

> >there.  My sinus constantly drained down my throat which I feel is one

> >of the reasons I have this emphysema.  No, I am not in denial of the

> >cig. smoking being a factor, but I do know how much better I am feeling

> >out of the industrial dust.



High dose vitamin C is one of the first courses of action. L-cysteine

supplementation also. Look for a good 'antioxidant' formula with those two

factors heavily represented. It will be fairly costly.



Stay away from the pharmaceutical drugs unless you want to deal with THOSE

toxins as well.



See an acupuncturist/Chinese healer for a syndrome differentiation and

appropriate herbs/acupuncture treatment.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: Sherri <seer7@DNACO.NET>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 06:34:54 -0500

--------

Kay,



Her ...her...I am a girl...  :))

Sherri



Sandow, Kay wrote:

>

> Paul, I thought Vitamin A was the antioxidant of choice for the lungs.

>  Wouldn't this be  a prime addition to his daily intake?

>

> Kay

>  ----------

> From: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

> To: HERB

> Subject: Re: Need Advice

> Date: Wednesday, March 26, 1997 12:33PM

>

> > >And have been exposed to just about every toxin around on my job in a

> > >brake factory.  (making the pads and grinding them)  I am now on

> > >sickleave and my chronic sinus problem, that no amount of medication

> > >could clear up while inside the factory, is 80% better since out of

> > >there.  My sinus constantly drained down my throat which I feel is one

> > >of the reasons I have this emphysema.  No, I am not in denial of the

> > >cig. smoking being a factor, but I do know how much better I am feeling

> > >out of the industrial dust.

>

> High dose vitamin C is one of the first courses of action. L-cysteine

> supplementation also. Look for a good 'antioxidant' formula with those two

> factors heavily represented. It will be fairly costly.

>

> Stay away from the pharmaceutical drugs unless you want to deal with THOSE

> toxins as well.

>

> See an acupuncturist/Chinese healer for a syndrome differentiation and

> appropriate herbs/acupuncture treatment.

>

> Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 07:52:18 GMT

--------

> <<   She was further told that there is no cure for the

>  disease and that scarring has occurred on the cells which take in the

>  oxygen from the air breathed into the lungs>>

>   I'm afraid that statement is correct. Once the alveoli are damaged they

> physically change and cannot exchange air. However, she can prevent further

> damage.



Just because they don't have the technology to do it doesn't mean it can't be

done. The alveoli aren't just crusted over with scars, they are actively

destroyed by the pathology, BUT, there is no real way for physicians to tell

the extent of the damage EXCEPT by physiological testing. What that means is

that the POTENTIAL lung function could be much better than it appears to be

in testing, especially with appropriate therapy.



Cooling, dirt-clearing herbs are very much in order, and I suspect they will

give substantial relief of the complaint, and another of the famous,

begrudging  'spontaneous remission' coughs from the MD priests you have

talked with. Start with plenty of peppermint.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:32:20 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-23 22:04:32 EST, you write:



<<   She was further told that there is no cure for the

 disease and that scarring has occurred on the cells which take in the

 oxygen from the air breathed into the lungs>>

  I'm afraid that statement is correct. Once the alveoli are damaged they

physically change and cannot exchange air. However, she can prevent further

damage.

I also think the doctor told her smoking isn't the ONLY cause of emphysema

because the other statement would be absolutely untrue. I would be happy to

share any info. I have if you E-mail me. This is not herb related so I  won't

post it here.

Luvlylin@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Need Advice

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:32:21 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-23 23:58:25 EST, you write:



<< know which industial dusts cause this emphysema.  The American Lung

  Assoc. now says that industrial dusts are a factor.>>

 Any form of pollution causes lung damage so I can't think of an industrial

dust that would NOT be a contributory factor. Did you have contact with

asbestos fibers in the brake factory or did you wear OSHA approved

respiratory gear?

The American Lung assoc. hah!! too little too late. Sorry-personal comment

not herb related. Luvlylin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Acne scars

From: Massimiliano Mirra <mmirra@BENEVENTO.PEOPLES.IT>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 19:38:25 +0500

--------

  I have had acne for a year or so, and though I still have occasional little

breakouts, the main problem is now scars and residues. I know some medicines

(Retin-A) work by speeding up skin cells reproduction. Are there any herbs

that can do that or anything else useful?



--



  Bard (Massimiliano Mirra)

  mmirra@benevento.peoples.it





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: St. John's Wort   VS  conventional anti deppression meds.......

From: Janelle <luna@AUTOBAHN.MB.CA>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 10:37:04 -0800

--------

Greetings all,



                I am hoping someone out there has some information

regarding the differences between St Johns wort and an anti depressant

medication known as...Sertraline.

    I have been suffering from what I would classify as, depression and

anxiety, this has been on going for as long as I can remember.  I am a

22 year old female.

    I recently went to a doctor, who put me on Sertraline...or Zoloft.

I have been taking it for 4 days now.

    Is Sertraline an MAO inhibitor like St Johns Wort?  Do they both

roughly do the same thing?    It was rather a quick descision on the

part of the doctor, when she subscribed a regimen of Sertraline, and,

being a lover of herbalism, I am thinking perhaps I should have found

out more about ST Johns Wort first...(after all it is cheaper....!)

Thank you in advance..........oh and I am also cutting out

caffiene...and eating more whole grains, fruits and veges, and fish, in

the hopes that the change in diet will have an impact on mood.



Sincerely

Janelle





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort   VS  conventional anti deppression

              meds.......

From: Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:57:59 -0500

--------

Greetings



        I am writing in for a friend of mine who hates doctors and who has

a whole series of symptoms that probably add up to something, but what?



She is a pure Vata type in Ayurvedic terms, is in her mid fifties, still in

menopause with constant night sweats, 5'3", weighing 105, has lifelong

chronic insomnia, eats only one full meal a day in the evening, late at

night before going to bed, and has frequent diarrhea and flatulence. She

also has Reynaud's Syndrome. She has very high energy and often tends to

stay up half the night, so she has no regular sleep cycle. She tends to go

to bed at 2 AM, but rises early to take her son to school.



She has recently been trying the diet where all complex carbohydrates are

cut out, and this is helping with the digestive problems. She says that the

insomnia is like a switch that won't turn off, but once she falls asleep,

she stays asleep. To get there, she has tried everything from alcohol to

melatonin, valerian, massage, sleeping pills. . .



Question: is there a connection between the digestive, the Reynaud's and

the insomnia that has a comprehensive herbal treatment?



thank you for taking the time to read this

Rondi





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort   VS  conventional anti deppression

              meds.......

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:24:13 +0200

--------

At 10:57 PM 3/24/97 -0500, Rondi Lightmark wrote:

>Greetings

>

>        I am writing in for a friend of mine who hates doctors and who has

>a whole series of symptoms that probably add up to something, but what?

>

>She is a pure Vata type in Ayurvedic terms, is in her mid fifties, still in

>menopause with constant night sweats, 5'3", weighing 105, has lifelong

>chronic insomnia, eats only one full meal a day in the evening, late at

>night before going to bed, and has frequent diarrhea and flatulence. She

>also has Reynaud's Syndrome. She has very high energy and often tends to

>stay up half the night, so she has no regular sleep cycle. She tends to go

>to bed at 2 AM, but rises early to take her son to school.

>

>She has recently been trying the diet where all complex carbohydrates are

>cut out, and this is helping with the digestive problems. She says that the

>insomnia is like a switch that won't turn off, but once she falls asleep,

>she stays asleep. To get there, she has tried everything from alcohol to

>melatonin, valerian, massage, sleeping pills. . .

>

>Question: is there a connection between the digestive, the Reynaud's and

>the insomnia that has a comprehensive herbal treatment?

>

>thank you for taking the time to read this

>Rondi

>

>

This isn't going to answer your question, but your friend might find that

switching her meal to the morning would help.  Ingesting food only once a

day is NOT a good idea, but ingesting food near bedtime would contribute to

the insomia.  The body requires food to do work, and if its only source

comes at night, then it will be most ready to work then.  Just a

suggestion, but worth thinking about...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: The Zone?

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 01:00:37 +0200

--------

I was recommended a book entitled The Zone.  It is a new publication on the

impacts of nutrition and herbs on the body.  Has anyone heard of it, and is

it any good?



Thanks.



Katt





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Susan Vegors <susan@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:34:11 +0000

--------

If you are interested in a book review of the book Enter the Zone you

can find it in Theory and Review in Psychology: An Electronic Journal

at http://www.gemstate.net/susan





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Connie Kehler <g.musings@DLCWEST.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 08:29:55 -0600

--------

Yes...I have not only heard of it but am on the diet.  I was told to use it

by a naturopathisc doctor.  It is a great book and diet.  I will Look up

some email addresses for you on it.  Any other questions just email me

At 01:00 AM 3/24/97 +0200, you wrote:

>I was recommended a book entitled The Zone.  It is a new publication on the

>impacts of nutrition and herbs on the body.  Has anyone heard of it, and is

>it any good?

>

>Thanks.

>

>Katt

>

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:49:10 +0200

--------

At 12:42 PM 3/24/97 -0500, Michelle I. Cook wrote:

>>Yes...I have not only heard of it but am on the diet.  I was told to use it

>>by a naturopathisc doctor.  It is a great book and diet.  I will Look up

>>some email addresses for you on it.  Any other questions just email me

>>At 01:00 AM 3/24/97 +0200, you wrote:

>>>I was recommended a book entitled The Zone.  It is a new publication on the

>>>impacts of nutrition and herbs on the body.  Has anyone heard of it, and is

>>>it any good?

>>>

>>>Thanks.

>>>

>>>Katt

>>>

>>>

>

>Please give me the information where this book can be purchased.

>

>Thanks,

>Michelle

>

>

Michelle,

        I'm sure that your local bookstore could order it if they don't carry it.

The book is titled, "ENTERING THE ZONE," and is by Barry Sears, or

something like that.  The website for the book is at

http://www.zonehome.com/index.htm.  The is a sequeal by the same by that

just came out called, "MASTERING THE ZONE."  I don't know how the two

compare, though.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 23:02:51 -0500

--------

Mastering the Zone provides the recipes-- some 150 of them--- for the Zone

diet, which makes it easy to follow the plan.  The book is not a diet per se,

but a hormone management plan, designed to keep bodily insulin levels within

a narrow range, and hence, keep you "In the Zone" as athletes refer to it. In

the process, you lose weight, feel better, etc. I too have been using it, and

it works. It is underpinned by solid, state of the science research, done by

some very credible scholars with credentials out the kazoo!  Worth looking

at.  Mastering the Zone is volume 2, but is also pretty much a stand alone

book, not requiring Enter the Zone as a prerequisite.  All the essential

stuff in Enter is clearly summarized in Mastering.  I got my copy of

Mastering the Zone for $14.99 at Sams Club. Probably also at Wal-Mart if it

is at Sams.  Retail is about $25.00.  Very popular, won't be hard to find in

bookstores.  In all likelyhood is or soon will be on the NYT best-seller

list.



Peter Gail





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:22:29 GMT

--------

> Mastering the Zone provides the recipes-- some 150 of them--- for the Zone

> diet, which makes it easy to follow the plan.  The book is not a diet per

se,

> but a hormone management plan, designed to keep bodily insulin levels

within

> a narrow range,



As if that was the main index of a healthy diet! Sheesh.



>and hence, keep you "In the Zone" as athletes refer to it.



As those great body-science professionals the 'athletes' refer to it. No

burn, no earn. And other gems of wisdom.



>In

> the process, you lose weight, feel better, etc. I too have been using it,

and

> it works.



Almost ANY dietary change makes you feel better for a while, and weight lose

per se is not equivalent to improved health for very obvious reasons. The

real issue is how do you feel after a year or two of such a diet. PLENTY of

people have done food fad experiments...this one, too, will sink like a stone

in fifteen minutes, and we will hear all the reports of the damage done, for

years.



>It is underpinned by solid, state of the science research, done by

> some very credible scholars with credentials out the kazoo!



Solid state is EXACTLY how I would refer to these tinkerers' brains.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 01:45:35 +0200

--------

At 09:22 AM 3/26/97 GMT, Paul Iannone wrote:

>> Mastering the Zone provides the recipes-- some 150 of them--- for the Zone

>> diet, which makes it easy to follow the plan.  The book is not a diet per

>se,

>> but a hormone management plan, designed to keep bodily insulin levels

>within

>> a narrow range,

>

>As if that was the main index of a healthy diet! Sheesh.

>

>>and hence, keep you "In the Zone" as athletes refer to it.

>

>As those great body-science professionals the 'athletes' refer to it. No

>burn, no earn. And other gems of wisdom.

>

>>In

>> the process, you lose weight, feel better, etc. I too have been using it,

>and

>> it works.

>

>Almost ANY dietary change makes you feel better for a while, and weight lose

>per se is not equivalent to improved health for very obvious reasons. The

>real issue is how do you feel after a year or two of such a diet. PLENTY of

>people have done food fad experiments...this one, too, will sink like a stone

>in fifteen minutes, and we will hear all the reports of the damage done, for

>years.

>

>>It is underpinned by solid, state of the science research, done by

>> some very credible scholars with credentials out the kazoo!

>

>Solid state is EXACTLY how I would refer to these tinkerers' brains.

>

>Paul

>

>

Paul,



        Have you actually looked at these two books?  A lot of what you talk about

in terms of a "proper" diet, (ie, little fruit, no caffine, balanced

eating, know how foods affect yin and yang, hot and cold foods) are in this

"fad" diet.  Perhaps you should learn to look before you leap...





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:28:04 GMT

--------

> Have you actually looked at these two books?  A lot of what you talk about

> in terms of a "proper" diet, (ie, little fruit, no caffine, balanced

> eating, know how foods affect yin and yang, hot and cold foods) are in this

> "fad" diet.  Perhaps you should learn to look before you leap...



None of that is the controversial part of this diet, and you should know

that.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:28:38 GMT

--------

> And what are your astute reflections on Dean Ornish and his pronouncements?

> Be most interesting to hear.



Ornish is another proponent of the low-fat vegetarian diet. Since the context

of those dietary changes for previous SAD eaters following his diet is heart

disease and other life-threatening illnesses, the dramatic health

improvements offered by a LOWER FAT diet are sufficient to impress. The

fact/idea that fruit weakens health is not really pertinent in such a

context.



The spirit aspects of his work are no more worrisome than AA...they have

their place, but they beg many, many questions.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:55:09 -0500

--------

Dear Paul



And what are your astute reflections on Dean Ornish and his pronouncements?

Be most interesting to hear.



Peter Gail





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: "Bunny (Maraleta) Swenson" <swenson@EXECPC.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:46:27 -0600

--------

I have had good success with the ZONE diet and have never felt

better. I combined it with a daily walking program. The book was

recommended by my MD because I needed to lose some weight to help lower

my blood pressure. In six months I lost 10% of my body weight and now,

six months later, I have kept it off.

    The interesting thing is, even tho the diet introduced more fat into

my diet than I was accustomed to, my cholesterol and triglycerides

actually went DOWN a few points after the first six month period.

     The diet may not work for everyone. However, I know four people who

have been dedicated to following the program and they have lost about a

pound a week. They have not been eating any special pre-formed bars (as

alluded to by another subscriber), just regular food from the grocery

store. It's how you combine the foods that makes the difference.

    I checked the book ENTER THE ZONE out from my library. In actuality,

you only need Chapter Eight to do the diet part of the program. The rest

of the book is devoted to substantiating his theory. The follow-up book

was written to make the program sound less complicated and to give

recipes that embrace the ZONE concept.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 03:38:22 -0500

--------

Paul blows a lot of steam. You have to learn to take a lot of what he says

with a grain of salt.



Peter Gail





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:02:47 GMT

--------

> Paul blows a lot of steam. You have to learn to take a lot of what he says

> with a grain of salt.



Advocacy is a form of applied knowledge, as is healing. It is the intrinsic

characteristic of healers that they have firm, well-examined opinions on a

range of topics. Otherwise, how can you guide the ill?



I'm not apologetic for that stance; then again, I recognize that the universe

is dramatically larger than my presumptions about it. That doesn't mean,

however, that misguided diet theories do not deserve criticism, or that

people in general do not need guidance in the form of traditional warnings.

We are not at the beginning; we are midway at least.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 22 Mar 1997 to 23 Mar 1997

From: "Tommi M. Gray" <Hickpickle@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 19:52:36 -0500

--------

Some people just produce more ear wax naturally.  The best action I can

recommend is to take him to an ENT and have them pressure washed

periodically.  You need to take care of this b/c the build-up could possibly

cause a mild to moderate hearing loss.  I know my recommendation is not

herbal but it is what I think is best.  One other thing is  DO NOT USE A

Q-TIP ON HIS EARS.  It is perfectly acceptable for you to use on yourself but

not on anyone else.  You can tell when it becomes painful but not on your

son.



Just a little advice from a friendly audiologist.  I hope you don''t take any

offense.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 22 Mar 1997 to 23 Mar 1997

From: Karyn Farrell <Syber12@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 13:10:33 -0500

--------

What is an ENT???



TIA





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: The Book of Sufi Healing

From: Alicia Corbett <acorbett@ASU.EDU>

Date: Sun, 23 Mar 1997 18:18:17 -0700

--------

Has anyone heard anything, good or bad, about The Book of Sufi Healing as

both an academic and informational source (I am studying to become a

naturopath, so I won't necessarily be using it for treatment)? Thanks, I

need some advice before I spend money buying it.



Alicia Corbett                                                acorbett@asu.edu

------------------------------------------------------------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: NEED HELP

From: Lorena Villarreal <LVillar300@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 00:07:26 -0500

--------

Hello everyone!



I am new to this list and I am writing because I need your advice.  After

reading your discussions for a couple of weeks, I finally feel confident

enough to ask my question.



I been suffering of migraines for years.  I remember getting migraines since

I was about 13 years old, but I only used to get them like once a year.  It

seems that everysince I had my first child seven years ago, I been getting

them regularly. Sometimes I get them  weekly,  then they disappear for a

while and come back daily, them monthly...



When  I start getting a migraine I usually get distorted vision for about 45

minutes.  I see nothing but bright heat waves.  Then I get a real sharp

headache that can last for days.  Also,  I can't take anything for the pain

because I get an upset stomach.



I get very frustrated because I never know when I am going to get a migraine.

 I have gotten them at work, at school, while shopping, at home, while

driving ...



I WISH THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP ME GET RID OF THEM FOR GOOD.



Any response to my letter will be greatly appreciated.



Lorena:>)





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: NEED HELP

From: brenda asterino <brenda.asterino@DRAGONBBS.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 05:50:35 -0500

--------

Before the accident I was told that they were caused by allergies....

chocolate, nuts, maybe milk, etc.    Since the accident...that may still be

true and but takes a whole lot less to make it happen....



Brenda



At 12:07 AM 3/24/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello everyone!

>

>I am new to this list and I am writing because I need your advice.  After

>reading your discussions for a couple of weeks, I finally feel confident

>enough to ask my question.

>

>I been suffering of migraines for years.  I remember getting migraines since

>I was about 13 years old, but I only used to get them like once a year.  It

>seems that everysince I had my first child seven years ago, I been getting

>them regularly. Sometimes I get them  weekly,  then they disappear for a

>while and come back daily, them monthly...

>

>When  I start getting a migraine I usually get distorted vision for about 45

>minutes.  I see nothing but bright heat waves.  Then I get a real sharp

>headache that can last for days.  Also,  I can't take anything for the pain

>because I get an upset stomach.

>

>I get very frustrated because I never know when I am going to get a migraine.

> I have gotten them at work, at school, while shopping, at home, while

>driving ...

>

>I WISH THERE WAS SOMETHING THAT COULD HELP ME GET RID OF THEM FOR GOOD.

>

>Any response to my letter will be greatly appreciated.

>

>Lorena:>)

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: NEED HELP

From: "--   Bridget A. Croft" <BCroft3363@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:37:45 -0500

--------

Lorena :



Do you smoke?  I used to get the same types of migrane you described and I

have found two things that help/contribute to the headaches.



1.  When I quit smoking the frequency greatly decreased.



2.  SLEEP, if I'm burning the candle at both  ends for too long, I can be

assured of getting a migrane.





Good luck



Bridget





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: NEED HELP

From: Eileen Coppola <E5jc6@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 14:52:11 -0500

--------

I can certainly empathize with you.  I used to get some 'wopper-migraines'

also.

 Based on your history, it sounds like you may have a hormone componet to

your headaches.  Note if they become more frequent during mid-cycle of

menses.



If this is the case, you would not want to be on BCP's.  They would tend to

make your symptoms worse.  As to the upset stomach(oh---I remember it WELL!),

if drinking or swallowing anything is a problem, you might look into

suppository-type

meds.  They are just as effective and wont upset your stomach.

eileen





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: NEED HELP

From: Lorena Villarreal <LVillar300@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:32:20 -0500

--------

Bridget,



I don't smoke and I don't drink coffee.  I don't drink alcohol either, but I

do burn the candle at both ends.  I work full time, I go to school part time

and I have two kids and a husband. I've tried getting more sleep and that

hasn't worked.  I just get them (migraines) for no apparent reason.



Thanks for your concern.



Lorena:>)





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: NEED HELP

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:22:21 GMT

--------

> I don't smoke and I don't drink coffee.  I don't drink alcohol either, but I

> do burn the candle at both ends.  I work full time, I go to school part

time

> and I have two kids and a husband. I've tried getting more sleep and that

> hasn't worked.  I just get them (migraines) for no apparent reason.



Er, you just stated the apparent reason, Lorena. In that lifestyle context,

additional sleep might very well NOT counter the effects of the stress level

you are experiencing and engaging.



So, what about sweet cravings and fruit?



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: NEED HELP

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 22:12:54 GMT

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> What do you mean about sweet cravings and fruit?

>

> I crave sweets and fruit everyday.  I have a very sweet tooth and it seems

> like I'm always eating sweets.

>

> What does this say about my migraines?



So that is the trigger. Instead of your sleep cycle (> getting more sleep),

you have a (< from sweets) Digestive collapse pattern.



Stop eating fruit and fruit juice. Take a week to amp it down, and then quit.

Your migraines will improve immediately.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: NEED HELP

From: Lorena Villarreal <LVillar300@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 00:12:34 -0500

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Paul,

What do you mean about sweet cravings and fruit?



I crave sweets and fruit everyday.  I have a very sweet tooth and it seems

like I'm always eating sweets.



What does this say about my migraines?



Lorena:>)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Itchy skin on dog.

From: Tom Stewart <Taraxatom@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 01:54:00 -0500

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Does anyone have any herbal suggestions for a dog with itchy skin? It's a

persist ant problem that doesn't respond to topical drugs or steroids.

    Tom





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Itchy skin on dog.

From: "digest (Stacey L. Knerr)" <K9Show@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 09:33:56 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-24 01:55:57 EST, you write:



<<

 Does anyone have any herbal suggestions for a dog with itchy skin? It's a

 persist ant problem that doesn't respond to topical drugs or steroids. >>





This is NOT an herbal remedy, but it DOES work.  As a dog handler (I show my

dog on weekends as a hobby), I try to find cheap, satisfactory ways to keep

my dogs skin healthy and flea free.  The best thing I have EVER found.....is

Listerine.  Mix it with your dogs shampoo for baths, and then carry around a

50-50 solution of Listerine and water.  Spray it on your dog every day for 2

weeks, then every other day afterwards.



The bonus to this is that it is a flea repellent....and flea season is coming

up.



I have NO commercial interest in Listerine whatsoever....I just find it to be

useful in this situation.  Scope, and other mouth wash products do NOT seem

to work in ths fashion.



If your dog has an allergy to fleas, get some cedar chips to put in a dog

bed.  Fleas hate cedar, and for an allergy...one bite is all it takes.



--Stacey





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Itchy skin on dog.

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:31:41 -0900

--------

At 01:54 AM 3/24/97 -0500, Tom Stewart wrote:

>Does anyone have any herbal suggestions for a dog with itchy skin? It's a

>persist ant problem that doesn't respond to topical drugs or steroids.

>    Tom

>

>

Feed him raw liver 3 times a week or more.  It can be beef, or chicken

liver.  Try to get it from range fed beef to avoid the hormones and junk.

Dogs are carnivores.  Much commercial dog food has not a trace of meat in

it.  They need the meat and the associated amino acids and fatty acids.

You'll see his fur get sleek and glossy and he should have no more itch.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Itchy skin on dog.

From: "V. Suzanne Drake" <tanager@CRL.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 20:59:13 -0800

--------

Susan, I was giving my dogs brewers yeast plus garlic for itchy skin and

they both developed a fungus infection in their ears.  I read somewhere

that the yeast could cause this so I've continued with the garlic but

stopped the yeast.  I cleared up the fungus infection and it has not come

back. If anyone knows more about this, please let me know.  I'm now adding

a teaspoonful of flax oil to their diet.  Suzanne Drake



On Thu, 24 Apr 1997, Susan Pearson wrote:



> I have been giving my dog brewers yeast and garlic tablets made

> especially for animals. She has been itchy for a while and it seems to be

> working. Also helps with repelling fleas. I bought them at Walmart in the

> animal section. Email me if you want for the brandname

>

> mailto:susanp@idt.net

>

> Susan P.

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Itchy skin on dog.

From: "Sandow, Kay" <KSANDOW@HQ.ROW.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:50:00 -0500

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Have you tried adding fat soluble vitamins into his food or as special

treats?



kay

 ----------

From: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

To: HERB

Subject: Itchy skin on dog.

Date: Monday, March 24, 1997 1:51AM



Does anyone have any herbal suggestions for a dog with itchy skin? It's a

persist ant problem that doesn't respond to topical drugs or steroids.

    Tom





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hot flashes and cold

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:42:03 -0500

--------

I have been following the peppermint tea, no caffeine advice now for

over 3 weeks. The hot flashes have turned to sweating especially at

night. Now I am also experiencing cold. The hot soups help and hot

liquids help, but I have had to take warm baths or showers to relieve

the cold. I do dress warm especially after sweating. Should I add

anything to the bath or drink any other teas? I am trying to slow down,

but this week at work was stressful, and I am sure did not help.



The dryness I experienced is going away. I increased my water intake and

used a natural calendua based cream especially on my feet, which were

the driest (My feet were the start of my symptoms - the aching feet.)



Again I thank everyone for being a part of my healing.

Susien





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Tammy Brady <Et1day@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 12:20:04 -0500

--------

I work at a herb shop in a small rural town.Most of the return purchases are

for a product by Nature's Way called Change O Life.It is composted of  herbs

and vitamins.My customers like it alot.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 16:26:41 -0500

--------

Sorry I did not make my other post clearer. I do not think that the

changes in temperature are related to menopause, although I guess it

could be possible. That type of hot flash stopped two years ago. It is

possible for them to return? I have not been on hormones.



I had posted a few weeks ago about about sore feet and was told that it

is related to my diet and my shoes. I have corrected both. I have gone

off expresso and changed to more warm foods, especially veggies and I

drink alot of peppermint tea. I had a terrible cold, sore throat, and

frequent hot spells, then I started to sweat alot. The cold is gone, but

now I am cold most of the time. I am just wondering if I should just get

through this phase as I did the other. I not very big on pills. I don't

take them unless it is a last resort.



Thanks Susien

Tammy Brady wrote:

>

> I work at a herb shop in a small rural town.Most of the return purchases are

> for a product by Nature's Way called Change O Life.It is composted of  herbs

> and vitamins.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:32:14 GMT

--------

> I do not think that the

> changes in temperature are related to menopause, although I guess it

> could be possible. That type of hot flash stopped two years ago. It is

> possible for them to return? I have not been on hormones.

>

> I had posted a few weeks ago about about sore feet and was told that it

> is related to my diet and my shoes.



Not from me you weren't. Sore feet are a CLASSIC Kidney Yin depletion

symptom, as are hot flashes and menopause. So...diet and shoes ain't gonna do

the trick, much.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:28:49 -0500

--------

> > I had posted a few weeks ago about about sore feet and was told that it

> > is related to my diet and my shoes.

>

> Not from me you weren't. Sore feet are a CLASSIC Kidney Yin depletion

> symptom, as are hot flashes and menopause. So...diet and shoes ain't gonna do

> the trick, much.

>

> Paul



No you didn't say change my diet for the sore feet. You suggested that I

get off caffeine and drink peppermint tea and it is working. That is the

only change I had to make in my diet, other than making sure I get warm

foods, and not to skip meals. That simple adjustment has helped my feet.

The ache is gone. Now I am working on getting enough rest and not

overdoing. The heat is still coming and going, but it has only been over

2 weeks since I stopped drinking coffee.

Susien





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:32:36 GMT

--------

> I work at a herb shop in a small rural town.Most of the return purchases are

> for a product by Nature's Way called Change O Life.It is composted of

herbs

> and vitamins.My customers like it alot.



I like the idea of a formula 'composted' with herbs. Must smell good, too!



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:32:42 GMT

--------

> I have been following the peppermint tea, no caffeine advice now for

> over 3 weeks. The hot flashes have turned to sweating especially at

> night. Now I am also experiencing cold. The hot soups help and hot

> liquids help, but I have had to take warm baths or showers to relieve

> the cold. I do dress warm especially after sweating. Should I add

> anything to the bath or drink any other teas? I am trying to slow down,

> but this week at work was stressful, and I am sure did not help.



Put more covers on the bed. Try not to go to bed exhausted. Get to bed SOONER

rather than later.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:52:00 GMT

--------

> You have mentioned kidney yin depletion a number of times recently.  I

> would be interested in knowing which herbs are used and how in such cases.

> Is there a way to describe kidney yin depletion in more "western" terms?

> This seems to be a very common ailment.



Kidney Yin depletion could be called 'Exhaustion with Dryness' I suppose.



It is shockingly common in modern high-stress, low-rest society, and is in

great part responsible for the low longevity of modern human beings, who,

with the advantages of technology, assured food supply, clean water and sewer

service, SHOULD live to be a hundred or so, even with the lack of spirit

development that would allow for another twenty to fifty years to be added to

that.



You can also blame medical tinkering for a lot of that decreased expectation

of longevity.



Herbal therapies for Kidney Yin depletion obviously exist within the system

that conceives that description. I don't have a lot to offer in Western

terms, however. Nonetheless, lifestyle management is more important than

herbs in this regard.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:01:43 -0900

--------

At 09:32 AM 3/26/97 GMT, Paul Iannone wrote:

>> I do not think that the

>> changes in temperature are related to menopause, although I guess it

>> could be possible. That type of hot flash stopped two years ago. It is

>> possible for them to return? I have not been on hormones.

>>

>> I had posted a few weeks ago about about sore feet and was told that it

>> is related to my diet and my shoes.

>

>Not from me you weren't. Sore feet are a CLASSIC Kidney Yin depletion

>symptom, as are hot flashes and menopause. So...diet and shoes ain't gonna do

>the trick, much.

>

>Paul

>

>

You have mentioned kidney yin depletion a number of times recently.  I

would be interested in knowing which herbs are used and how in such cases.

Is there a way to describe kidney yin depletion in more "western" terms?

This seems to be a very common ailment.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 07:26:31 GMT

--------

> You suggested that I

> get off caffeine and drink peppermint tea and it is working. That is the

> only change I had to make in my diet, other than making sure I get warm

> foods, and not to skip meals. That simple adjustment has helped my feet.

> The ache is gone. Now I am working on getting enough rest and not

> overdoing. The heat is still coming and going, but it has only been over

> 2 weeks since I stopped drinking coffee.



The Heat is an overflow from the Organs, so it will be a fairly long time

before that is all cleared out. Still, as long as you can maintain the

clearance, your feet shouldn't bother you as a general rule.



Congratulations on your progress!



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 15:00:55 GMT

--------

> Although I have never been one to burn the

> candle at both ends, he was right about my overworking. What I have

> realized is that I am an overdoer in most things and didn't even know

> it. I have a feeling that this awareness on my part has something to do

> with the healing process.



That is the 'Earth' part of your spirit-being. It is a grounding feeling,

associated with the promise of an economical and just proportion in your

lifestyle...the Golden Mean FOR YOU. The Digestive system is of the Earth

Qi...it is concerned with proportions and a proper division of materials,

including time.



Coffee destroys the Earth Qi, by damaging the natural orderliness of life, in

favor of a false Yang explosion of activity, followed by dullness of spirit

later.



The (Stomach) oven turns itself on and off all day, and should. No other

Organ system has such a periodicity. The return of periodicity to the body is

a cause for celebration. Better times are coming.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 15:01:02 GMT

--------

> Someone gives me a cookie and I want 2 more. I

> used to have one drink and not want to stop, and I can't even stand the

> taste. I ask one question and follow with 10 more. I am learning to slow

> down and especially to rest. I also realize there is more to resting

> than sleeping or taking a catnap.



These are the 'positive feedback loops' I keep talking about. 'The smoker you

drink the player you get.' Have a cup of coffee and your NEXT act will be

wrong. Do that wrong and the following act cannot help but be wrong too. And

on and on until something breaks.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: "'Barbara Birkinbine'" <Thegarrys@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 12:12:14 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-26 14:15:06 EST, you write:



<< Not from me you weren't. Sore feet are a CLASSIC Kidney Yin depletion

 symptom, as are hot flashes and menopause. So...diet and shoes ain't gonna

do

 the trick, much.



 Paul

  >>

I have these same symptoms and was wondering what you would recommend to

restore Yin?  I have no knowledge in this area so I would appreciate as much

info as possible.  TIA  Barb





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hot flashes and cold

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 13:29:30 -0500

--------

'Barbara Birkinbine' wrote:

>

> In a message dated 97-03-26 14:15:06 EST, you write:

>

> << Not from me you weren't. Sore feet are a CLASSIC Kidney Yin depletion

>  symptom, as are hot flashes and menopause. So...diet and shoes ain't gonna

> do

>  the trick, much.

>

>  Paul

>   >>

> I have these same symptoms and was wondering what you would recommend to

> restore Yin?  I have no knowledge in this area so I would appreciate as much

> info as possible.  TIA  Barb



PMFJI, I can't help you much, but I can tell you what is happening to me

since I have made changes. Paul was right when he guessed I was drinking

coffee. He told me to drink Peppermint tea.  Since I have stopped the

caffeine the sore feet are pretty much gone. The heat is something new,

but it is not bothersome and I have been assured that it is part of the

healing process. I do feel better than ever. The other thing Paul was

right about was my lifestyle. Although I have never been one to burn the

candle at both ends, he was right about my overworking. What I have

realized is that I am an overdoer in most things and didn't even know

it. I have a feeling that this awareness on my part has something to do

with the healing process. I don't know if it is from the herbs or from

the balance of the kidney or the Qi. I have always had to do things in

tens. I go to the library and come home with 10 books. (actually that is

a little exaggerated) Someone gives me a cookie and I want 2 more. I

used to have one drink and not want to stop, and I can't even stand the

taste. I ask one question and follow with 10 more. I am learning to slow

down and especially to rest. I also realize there is more to resting

than sleeping or taking a catnap.



One other thing is fruit. It has been reapeatd frequently here not to

misuse fruit. It should be eaten sparingly and alone, I believe at least

one hour away from a meal. Although I did read a post about using Pear

juice but that was for healing purposes.



I can't tell you much more than that. I'm new to this, but I hope this

helps somewhat.



Do you drink coffee, eat fruit, smoke, overwork and/or get enough rest?

These questions seem to be the start of the healing process.

Susien





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Early Graying Hair!

From: Paul Rieselman <z941927@OATS.FARM.NIU.EDU>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 11:02:57 -0600

--------

I'm only 22 years old, and it seems that a lot of my hair is beginning to

go gray on me =(  anyhow, I was wondering if there are any botanicals that

can help restore this?...or are there an alternative causes/treatments that

I may seek out?



thanks!



paul.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 00:40:35 +0200

--------

At 11:02 AM 3/24/97 -0600, Paul Rieselman wrote:

>I'm only 22 years old, and it seems that a lot of my hair is beginning to

>go gray on me =(  anyhow, I was wondering if there are any botanicals that

>can help restore this?...or are there an alternative causes/treatments that

>I may seek out?

>

>thanks!

>

>paul.

>

>

Only 22?  I've been salt'n'pepper since I was eighteen!  Unfortunatly, I

haven't found anything that reverses the graying.  If anyone knows a

natrual way of covering it, that would be nice to know.  I gave up on dyes

several years ago.

Despite all that, don't worry too much about it.  Most people say I look

distingished...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:03:06 -0500

--------

>I'm only 22 years old, and it seems that a lot of my hair is beginning to

>go gray on me =(  anyhow, I was wondering if there are any botanicals that

>can help restore this?...or are there an alternative causes/treatments that

>I may seek out?

>

>thanks!

>

>paul.

I'm afraid genetics is to blame here...there are alternative nontoxic

haircolors but I do not know of internal botanicals you could take,,,the

life extension people think it may help to take high doses of B

vitamins...also heard a wives tale that eating sardines may help.If you

want to know more about the colors you can private email me.



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:22:55 GMT

--------

> >I'm only 22 years old, and it seems that a lot of my hair is beginning to

> >go gray on me =(  anyhow, I was wondering if there are any botanicals that

> >can help restore this?...or are there an alternative causes/treatments

that

> >I may seek out?

> >

> >thanks!

> >

> >paul.

> I'm afraid genetics is to blame here...



Why presume that? The question is, what is this person's health balance like?



Here's why it isn't genetic. In 9 cases out of 10, when a 22 year old has

gray hair, they have been using drugs, notably marijuana or speed or cocaine,

EXTENSIVELY, or they are alcoholics. I have almost never seen a case of this

where that wasn't the situtation.



That ain't genes, it is lifestyle damage.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 01:55:41 +0200

--------

At 09:22 AM 3/26/97 GMT, Paul Iannone wrote:

>> >I'm only 22 years old, and it seems that a lot of my hair is beginning to

>> >go gray on me =(  anyhow, I was wondering if there are any botanicals that

>> >can help restore this?...or are there an alternative causes/treatments

>that

>> >I may seek out?

>> >

>> >thanks!

>> >

>> >paul.

>> I'm afraid genetics is to blame here...

>

>Why presume that? The question is, what is this person's health balance like?

>

>Here's why it isn't genetic. In 9 cases out of 10, when a 22 year old has

>gray hair, they have been using drugs, notably marijuana or speed or cocaine,

>EXTENSIVELY, or they are alcoholics. I have almost never seen a case of this

>where that wasn't the situtation.

>

>That ain't genes, it is lifestyle damage.

>

>Paul

>

>

Unfortunately, I am about as clean as they come.  I've never tried any

drugs, and I have mental allergy to alcohol.  (Let's just say that once was

too many times!, and that was when I turned 21)  In addition, I have never

taken pharmecutical drugs (I was raised holistically).  Let's also include

meditation since I was 10.

I've been silver since I was 18, and I am now 24.  I seriously doubt that I

have the required "lifesytle damage" that Paul mentions...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:28:00 GMT

--------

> Unfortunately, I am about as clean as they come.  I've never tried any

> drugs, and I have mental allergy to alcohol.  (Let's just say that once was

> too many times!, and that was when I turned 21)  In addition, I have never

> taken pharmecutical drugs (I was raised holistically).  Let's also include

> meditation since I was 10.

> I've been silver since I was 18, and I am now 24.  I seriously doubt that I

> have the required "lifesytle damage" that Paul mentions...



Then the next thing to check is for a constitutional (inborn) deficiency of

either Kidney Yin or Blood. Have you had any bone, lower back, or knee

problems?



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: linda/richard <kyote@WOLFENET.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:10:26 -0800

--------

At 06:28 PM 3/26/97 GMT, you wrote:

>> Unfortunately, I am about as clean as they come.  I've never tried any

>> drugs, and I have mental allergy to alcohol.  (Let's just say that once was

>> too many times!, and that was when I turned 21)  In addition, I have never

>> taken pharmecutical drugs (I was raised holistically).  Let's also include

>> meditation since I was 10.

>> I've been silver since I was 18, and I am now 24.  I seriously doubt that I

>> have the required "lifesytle damage" that Paul mentions...

>

>Then the next thing to check is for a constitutional (inborn) deficiency of

>either Kidney Yin or Blood. Have you had any bone, lower back, or knee

>problems?

>

>Paul

>

for what its worth,there was a study done that found that people with

premature grey hair had a

greater chance of developing osteoporosis.



richard





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:36:48 +0200

--------

At 06:28 PM 3/26/97 GMT, Paul Iannone wrote:

>> Unfortunately, I am about as clean as they come.  I've never tried any

>> drugs, and I have mental allergy to alcohol.  (Let's just say that once was

>> too many times!, and that was when I turned 21)  In addition, I have never

>> taken pharmecutical drugs (I was raised holistically).  Let's also include

>> meditation since I was 10.

>> I've been silver since I was 18, and I am now 24.  I seriously doubt that I

>> have the required "lifesytle damage" that Paul mentions...

>

>Then the next thing to check is for a constitutional (inborn) deficiency of

>either Kidney Yin or Blood. Have you had any bone, lower back, or knee

>problems?

>

>Paul

>

>

Not when I was younger, but lately (last 2 years or so) I have been having

back pains.

Nothing in the knees and I'm not sure what sort of bone problems you mean.

        You've made several refernces to deficiencies in the Kidney Yin.  What

changes would help to balance this?  (I'm not very familiar with Chinese

meds)  Also, in general, what sources would you recommend for learning

about these types of deficiencies?



Thanks,



Lissa





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:44:07 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-26 19:00:45 EST, you write:



<< >Here's why it isn't genetic. In 9 cases out of 10, when a 22 year old has

 >gray hair, they have been using drugs, notably marijuana or speed or

cocaine,

 >EXTENSIVELY, or they are alcoholics. I have almost never seen a case of

this

 >where that wasn't the situtation.

 >

 >That ain't genes, it is lifestyle damage.

 >

 >Paul >>



Perhaps the genes that trigger an early graying create the same conditions

that are the result of the abuses you have named (depletion of certain

nutrients in the case of the drugs, etc.), thus causing loss of pigmentation.

My mother went gray by the time she was 24 (she would be 101 this year if she

were still alive), and she told me it ran in her family (I'm adopted and

didn't inherit the condition).  She grew up on a farm in Michigan.  I think

you'll find a lot of early "clean" grays out there, Paul.

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Pam Edwards <Drolma@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 20:14:32 -0500

--------

Hello! I am a list reader....and printer of some of the more important

and relevant data-bites posted on this Herbs list, thank you!

Though my small addition to the question of thinning and or greying hair

is not herbal, it might be relevant, though annecdotal.

Two years ago I added unsulphured MOLASSES to my diet.  A tablespoon

on oatmeal, some with coffee (ok, I know what you will say about coffee and

I will get off the stuff....someday)....and the molasses did cause a

noticable

thickening of my hair and a darkening to a more reddish color.



...hmmm... and when you watch The Civil War listen for the part about the

North breaking the South by destroying their molasses supply.  And then look,

excuse my

pushiness here,  at the luxuriant thick manes of hair on the Civil War

gentlemen and ladies.



My hair grew in thicker enough that I ended up cutting the pre-molasses

growth because it was that visually and texturally different.  Another

known molasses devotee is President Regan who does have nice hair.



Hope this helps, though its not a herb, and no commercial intent...molasses

is found very reasonably priced at any healthfood store.  NB get the cruder

and less refined molasses for most trace mineral content.  I read the label

and

it gives no hint as to what they are...stating thusly: 0%A, 0%C, 0%iron.



It takes a few months to see the difference, and it is an "acquired taste."

Pamela





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 21:44:56 -0500

--------

  Another

>known molasses devotee is President Regan who does have nice hair.



I heard he used grecian formula...all that lead build up in the hair went

to his brain....



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:02:30 GMT

--------

> The father was completely gray (a very distinguished steel-gray),

> while the children were in varying stages of getting gray-haired, from just

> a few gray hairs to distinctly salt-and-pepper.

>

> To the best of my knowledge, none of the children were either alcoholics or

> drug users.  I have no knowledge of the father's habits.

>

> They may be the exceptions that prove (i.e., test) the rule, but it would

> seem that there must have been a genetic factor at work in this family, eh?



No, that is a presumption due to the idea that 'genetic' factors are the only

method of transmission of familial characteristics, which I certainly

dispute.



Secondarily, the existence of a 1 in 10 case of familial premature grayness

was accounted for in my comment. These cases can be glossed as constitutional

Yin/Essence deficiency syndromes IN MANY CASES; and it is important to a

consideration of health balance to check that out.



On the other hand, spirit is odd stuff, and there are LOTS of ways to live,

and lots of types of life out there that we'd call human. There are people

with natural weaknesses that turn out to be intrinsic to their spirit

development, and it is daunting to try and chew that bar of iron with wax

teeth. So I yield the 1 in 10 to their path; all I am stating is that there

are MANY CASES of TREATABLE pathology out there masquerading as 'genetic'

defects.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: "Robert Emmet Kelly, Jr." <rekelly@EPIX.NET>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:19:16 -0500

--------

At 4:22 AM 3/26/97, Paul Iannone wrote:

>

>Why presume that? The question is, what is this person's health balance like?

>

>Here's why it isn't genetic. In 9 cases out of 10, when a 22 year old has

>gray hair, they have been using drugs, notably marijuana or speed or cocaine,

>EXTENSIVELY, or they are alcoholics. I have almost never seen a case of this

>where that wasn't the situtation.

>

>That ain't genes, it is lifestyle damage.

>

>Paul



When I was growing up in the early 1950's, there was a family across the

courtyard, the three sons of which were all graying at the ages of 11, 12

and 14.  The father was completely gray (a very distinguished steel-gray),

while the children were in varying stages of getting gray-haired, from just

a few gray hairs to distinctly salt-and-pepper.



To the best of my knowledge, none of the children were either alcoholics or

drug users.  I have no knowledge of the father's habits.



They may be the exceptions that prove (i.e., test) the rule, but it would

seem that there must have been a genetic factor at work in this family, eh?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 07:52:32 GMT

--------

> Paul-Have seen FO-TI aka He-shou-wu (polygonum multiflorum) mentioned as a

> remedy for graying hair. Sorry I can't give you any specific formula. Only

> know the root is what is used. I asked about this chinese herb a while ago

> but no one

> responded to my inquiry and I still havn't found any definitive info. on

it.

> If you find anything please contact me.  Thanx. Hope that helped.  Luvlylin



[Odd. I get very nasty email from this person saying not to bother to reply,

it will be deleted on sight, and that she is leaving the list, and now I'm

being thanked??? She must be thanking everyone else, I guess. Or is this old

mail?]



Rather than focus on folk claims for herbs, it is more reasonable to examine

the mechanism of their action. In the case of Heshouwu (which has NEVER been

called Fo-ti btw by the Chinese---the words meaning something like Buddha's

Heaven, and are a brand name from the turn of the century), this is an herb

that nourishes the Liver Blood (among its other functions). THEREFORE, all

practices and herbs that nourish the Liver Blood can be expected to aid in

that same mechanism of action.



IF the pathologic mechanism that is driving the graying is NOT a deficiency

of Liver Blood, or if it is associated with multiple factors (such as Liver

Blood def. with Heat), THEN you need a FORMULA (a designed, balanced

combination of herbs) to treat the complex. Simply using Heshouwu for all

hair problems is stupid, ignorant, unhealthful, and a wretched approach to

rational healing.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:18:02 GMT

--------

> Fo-ti (Chinese)-Polygonum multiflorum (family Polygonaceae)-See Chinese

> cornbind.

>   other name-jiao teng-tangled vine.

>

> Native to China, Taiwan, Japan and Vietnam.

> Warm energy

> Bitter, sour Flavor

> Affinity for liver, kidneys.

>

> Demulcent, antirheumatic, fertility, darkens gray hair, builds &

strengthens

> sinew, bone, and bone marrow.

> TCM: liver and kidney energy-tonifies; semen and blood-nourishes; expels

> wind-dampness. Deficient kidney-yin and liver-yin; empty blood.

>

> after-pains from childbirth; insomnia; spermatorrhea; dizziness; anemia;

dry

> bowel constipation; premature gray hair; colitis.

>

> This anti-aging tonic is found in many longevity formulas.  Restores

> prematurely grey hair to its original color and strengthens kidneys and

> entire lumbar region.



Reid continues in his tradition of carrying over a variety of misconceptions

and half-truths for the next generation. By not distinguishing between raw

and cooked forms, the indications he gives are a jumble.



By carrying over this false use of the concept 'tonification,' he earns my

ire. Why not simply say 'nourishes' for the whole lot? Arggh.



And Heshouwu is NOT found in 'many' 'longevity' formulae, whatever those are.

It has a tradition of use in very large, kitchen sink sort of Ming Dynasty,

heal the rich sort of formulae. At that, it has to elbow its way in between

all the snake penis and seal 'gland' contents of such things.



A great herb, but the hype that started this thread is EXACTLY what is wrong

with the materials available on this herb in English.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:32:23 -0500

--------

Paul-Have seen FO-TI aka He-shou-wu (polygonum multiflorum) mentioned as a

remedy for graying hair. Sorry I can't give you any specific formula. Only

know the root is what is used. I asked about this chinese herb a while ago

but no one

responded to my inquiry and I still havn't found any definitive info. on it.

If you find anything please contact me.  Thanx. Hope that helped.  Luvlylin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 10:05:58 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-28 08:55:15 EST, you write:



<< Have seen FO-TI aka He-shou-wu (polygonum multiflorum) mentioned as a

 remedy for graying hair. Sorry I can't give you any specific formula. Only

 know the root is what is used. I asked about this chinese herb a while ago

 but no one

 responded to my inquiry and I still havn't found any definitive info. on it.

 If you find anything please contact me.  Thanx. Hope that helped.  Luvlylin

>>



Fo-ti (Chinese)-Polygonum multiflorum (family Polygonaceae)-See Chinese

cornbind.

  other name-jiao teng-tangled vine.



Native to China, Taiwan, Japan and Vietnam.

Warm energy

Bitter, sour Flavor

Affinity for liver, kidneys.



Demulcent, antirheumatic, fertility, darkens gray hair, builds & strengthens

sinew, bone, and bone marrow.

TCM: liver and kidney energy-tonifies; semen and blood-nourishes; expels

wind-dampness. Deficient kidney-yin and liver-yin; empty blood.



after-pains from childbirth; insomnia; spermatorrhea; dizziness; anemia; dry

bowel constipation; premature gray hair; colitis.



This anti-aging tonic is found in many longevity formulas.  Restores

prematurely grey hair to its original color and strengthens kidneys and

entire lumbar region.



Reid, Daniel (1995).  A Handbook of Chinese Healing Herbs.  Boston :

Shambhala

   ISBN 1-577062-093-8

Reid, Daniel (1995)   The Complete Book of Chinese Health and Healing:

Guarding:

   Guarding the Three Treasures.  Boston : Shambhala.  ISBN 0-87773-929-3.



Traiteusse





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:10:20 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-28 11:48:31 EST, you write:



<< A great herb, but the hype that started this thread is EXACTLY what is

wrong

 with the materials available on this herb in English. >>



OK, how about my English translation of the Chinese book "Ch'ih chiao i sheng

shou ts'e," which is given to lay practitioners in China?



Ho shou wu

Properties and action:  Has warming properties, bitter and acrid yet pleasant

to taste.  Roots and leaves tonify the liver and kidneys, fortify the blood,

strengthen muscles and bone and keep the hair black; stems [night-crossover

vine] calm nerves, and keep "lo" passageways open.



Conditions most used for: 1) Rickets, anemia and premature graying [of hair],

backache and pains and aches of the knee joint; 2) neurasthenia; 3)

lymphadenitis, traumatic bruises.



Preparation:  Root tubers, stems, and leaves are used medicinally, 3-5 ch'ien

each time, in decoction.  A suitable amount may be used externally.



Ch'ih chiao i sheng shou ts'e. English. (1985).  Reprint: Originally

published: [Bethseda, Md.] (1974). DHEW publication; no. (NIH) 75-695.



T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:51:56 GMT

--------

>  That ain't genes, it is lifestyle damage.

>

>  Paul

>   >>

> May I ask if you are a doctor???  You speak of cases....



Healer, please. I don't doctor up diseases so they __look__ better.



> I don't know if I agree....my granddaughter started going grey when she was

> 14...she wasn't using drugs or alcohol.....but she had gone thru a great

deal

> of stress...this may have been the cause...or it could be genetics as her

> father greyed early on.



That 'stress' ___IS___ lifestyle damage. No amount of stress can cause

genetic damage (theoretically). This is exactly where the 'begging the

question' part of Modrun science comes in, and does its hat dance around the

easily-observable FACTS and correlations.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:52:16 GMT

--------

> OK, how about my English translation of the Chinese book "Ch'ih chiao i

sheng

> shou ts'e," which is given to lay practitioners in China?



Fine and dandy, but handbooks aren't necessarily more accurate. In this case,

the Barefoot Doctor manuals are no longer used, and was in any case not

representative of the main tradition, but included a LOT of folk remedies,

since it was intended as a countryside manual, allowing for the use of local

materials outside the organization and capabilities of a well-stocked

pharmacy. So it focuses on single herb therapies...which are almost NEVER

used in the urban, more traditional, setting.



> Ho shou wu

> Properties and action:  Has warming properties, bitter and acrid yet

pleasant

> to taste.  Roots and leaves tonify the liver and kidneys,



That word you are translating 'tonify' doesn't mean that.



>fortify the blood,

> strengthen muscles and bone and keep the hair black; stems [night-crossover

> vine] calm nerves, and keep "lo" passageways open.



'Tangled,' or 'knotted' is a better translator than 'crossover.' There are

plenty of knotweeds in English usage. The 'night' part refers to the bloom.

It isn't a part of 'crossing over.'



> Conditions most used for: 1) Rickets, anemia and premature graying [of

hair],

> backache and pains and aches of the knee joint; 2) neurasthenia; 3)

> lymphadenitis, traumatic bruises.

>

> Preparation:  Root tubers, stems, and leaves are used medicinally, 3-5

ch'ien

> each time, in decoction.  A suitable amount may be used externally.

>

> Ch'ih chiao i sheng shou ts'e. English. (1985).  Reprint: Originally

> published: [Bethseda, Md.] (1974). DHEW publication; no. (NIH) 75-695.

>

> T.



Still no mention of the fact that RAW heshouwu is a strong laxative. And the

dosage level doesn't specify the form, which is silly. In addition, there is

NO syndrome differentiation given here. That 'conditions most used for' list

is ABSURD, without noting that the causation in those cases is DUE TO COLD,

or cases of Liver Blood deficiency WITHOUT Heat (or mixed with adjunctive

herbs to counter its Warm property).



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Jack Blomquist <JKVIST@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:29:00 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-26 13:44:22 EST, you write:



<< Why presume that? The question is, what is this person's health balance

like?



 Here's why it isn't genetic. In 9 cases out of 10, when a 22 year old has

 gray hair, they have been using drugs, notably marijuana or speed or

cocaine,

 EXTENSIVELY, or they are alcoholics. I have almost never seen a case of this

 where that wasn't the situtation.



 That ain't genes, it is lifestyle damage.



 Paul

  >>

May I ask if you are a doctor???  You speak of cases....



I don't know if I agree....my granddaughter started going grey when she was

14...she wasn't using drugs or alcohol.....but she had gone thru a great deal

of stress...this may have been the cause...or it could be genetics as her

father greyed early on.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 22:06:53 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-28 21:29:40 EST, you write:



<< > Ch'ih chiao i sheng shou ts'e. English. (1985).  Reprint: Originally

 > published: [Bethseda, Md.] (1974). DHEW publication; no. (NIH) 75-695. >>



Paul-

Thank you for the review of the page quoted in the above book.  My copy is

about 3 inches thick, and I am flattered that you think I might have had a

hand in translating certain Chinese words, but that was done by Chinese and

English scholars.  You are quite right in saying there is a compromise in the

methods used in this book.  In each section the Chinese approach is given,

and then the Western.

Did you study Mandarin?

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Early Graying Hair!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 15:10:59 GMT

--------

> << > Ch'ih chiao i sheng shou ts'e. English. (1985).  Reprint: Originally

>  > published: [Bethseda, Md.] (1974). DHEW publication; no. (NIH) 75-695.

>>

>

> Paul-

> Thank you for the review of the page quoted in the above book.  My copy is

> about 3 inches thick, and I am flattered that you think I might have had a

> hand in translating certain Chinese words, but that was done by Chinese and

> English scholars.



Not very good ones, unfortunately. What you have there, the "Barefoot

Doctor's Handbook," is actually sort of a historical oddity, NOT a good

reference text.



>You are quite right in saying there is a compromise in the

> methods used in this book.  In each section the Chinese approach is given,

> and then the Western.



Because at the point that this book was written, the Communists hadn't

figured out the actual situation with their native healing system. They

really didn't know which end was up.



> Did you study Mandarin?



Yes, I have studied Chinese at UCLA, and privately for several years.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Red Clover

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 22:24:33 UT

--------

The red clover is starting to come up now here. I am under the assumption that

red clover is best used fresh and made into a infusion. I don't think it is

the best herb to tincture. I have been thinking of a way I could preserve it

for further use. I wonder if I can make the tea out of it, simmer it down to

1/2 it's original volumn and add the same amount of vegetable glycerine and

maybe 10% ethanol, I have also thought of simmering it down to 1/4 its

original volumn. I have never done this and if anyone has any experience or

ideas on how to preserve the constituents I  would appreciate it. Thanks

john    J2030@msn.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Migraines

From: Cherie Capps <herbs@ORDATA.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:48:31 -0800

--------

Hi Lorena.  If these migraines occur 10 or so days before a period, then

calcium supplement might help.  People have gotten good results with

taking about 2-3 gm calcium daily, with magnesium and zinc, along with

high doses of vitamin C.  Adele Davis says that for some reason our body

drops drastically in calcium levels about that time in the female cycle.

 So maybe start off with around 2000 mg a day during the prodromal phase

and discontinue that high dose after the threat of or the headache

subsides.

Hope this helps.

Cherie Capps





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lamprisco

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 15:42:29 -0900

--------

I am seeking for information on an herb or bark called Lamprisco. It is

from Mexico and I have no reference to it in my books.  It is reportedly a

cure for diabetes.  I would like to obtain more information and maybe a

scientific name for the plant.  Thank you.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lamprisco

From: Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:22:31 -0500

--------

>I am seeking for information on an herb or bark called Lamprisco. It is

>from Mexico and I have no reference to it in my books.  It is reportedly a

>cure for diabetes.  I would like to obtain more information and maybe a

>scientific name for the plant.  Thank you.



Dear Anita:



Don't know if this applies, but:



I recently was reading the autobiography of Barbara Woodhouse, the famed

British animal trainer who spent her twenties in the Argentine, and while

there, contracted diabetes and nearly died. She relates being cured by a

potion made from the fresh cut twigs of the Sarandi Blanco tree. The

botanical name is Phyllanthus sellowianus from the family of Euphorbiaceae,

described as a small tree or shrub measuring from 1-50 to 4.00 meters in

height and growing naturally in South America in corridors or galleries and

along the riverside of the Parana, Uruguay and La Plata rivers, as well as

in other regions. The twigs were cut into pieces four inches long and

infused in hot water. Ms. Woodhouse was told by the indian who doctored her

that she had to give up insulin immediately, or else it would not work. She

did so,took a glass of the potion daily and six weeks later found herself

completely cured. She had no recurrence of the illness.



She goes on to say:



"The treatment depends on having the young shoots of the tree, for the old

twigs have no effect. Later, I and other English people brought bundles of

the twigs home for an old Colonel who had had diabetes for 47 years: in

three days he was able to give up his insulin, but had to continue drinking

a glass of the infusion every day, which suggest that it cures diabetes in

the early stages, but only replaces the insulin in cases of long standing.

. ."



Her autobiography "Talking to Animals" was published by Stein and Day/NY in

1970.



Intriguing! Have you heard of this? Anyone?



Rondi Lightmark





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lamprisco

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:41:03 -0900

--------

At 09:22 PM 3/24/97 -0500, Rondi Lightmark wrote:

>>I am seeking for information on an herb or bark called Lamprisco. It is

>>from Mexico and I have no reference to it in my books.  It is reportedly a

>>cure for diabetes.  I would like to obtain more information and maybe a

>>scientific name for the plant.  Thank you.

>

>Dear Anita:

>

>Don't know if this applies, but:

>

>I recently was reading the autobiography of Barbara Woodhouse, the famed

>British animal trainer who spent her twenties in the Argentine, and while

>there, contracted diabetes and nearly died. She relates being cured by a

>potion made from the fresh cut twigs of the Sarandi Blanco tree. The

>botanical name is Phyllanthus sellowianus from the family of Euphorbiaceae,

>described as a small tree or shrub measuring from 1-50 to 4.00 meters in

>height and growing naturally in South America in corridors or galleries and

>along the riverside of the Parana, Uruguay and La Plata rivers, as well as

>in other regions. The twigs were cut into pieces four inches long and

>infused in hot water. Ms. Woodhouse was told by the indian who doctored her

>that she had to give up insulin immediately, or else it would not work. She

>did so,took a glass of the potion daily and six weeks later found herself

>completely cured. She had no recurrence of the illness.

>

>She goes on to say:

>

>"The treatment depends on having the young shoots of the tree, for the old

>twigs have no effect. Later, I and other English people brought bundles of

>the twigs home for an old Colonel who had had diabetes for 47 years: in

>three days he was able to give up his insulin, but had to continue drinking

>a glass of the infusion every day, which suggest that it cures diabetes in

>the early stages, but only replaces the insulin in cases of long standing.

>. ."

>

>Her autobiography "Talking to Animals" was published by Stein and Day/NY in

>1970.

>

>Intriguing! Have you heard of this? Anyone?

>

>Rondi Lightmark

>

>

Wow!  How fascinating.  I am convinced that fresh is better than dried in

many herbs.  For example, I have been experimenting with Devil's Club

(Oplopanax horridus) for diabetes.  We used a decoction prepared as

instructed by a Haida Indian.  It seemed marginally effective.  I did find

that chewing fresh bark did produce a lower blood sugar within a short time.

I tried chewing dried bark myself.  I have hypoglycaemia and chewing the

dried bark produced the classic symptoms of low blood sugar, pretty

profound ones at that. There was no mistake.  I can drink the decoction

without this problem but chewing the bark (which is extremely bitter) does

lower the blood sugar.  I wonder if decocting changes the plant somehow???

I've not used it in capsules.  I think chewing does something that you

don't get any other way.  I was inspired to try this after the recent topic

of to chew or not to chew.  Perhaps there is really something to the idea

that digestion begins in the taste buds and that the actual chewing does

something we may not realize.

I couldn't say if the above mentioned plant could be Lamprisco.  I do know

it is from Mexico.  The other seems a little far south but perhaps it is a

relative.????





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lamprisco

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:23:57 +0200

--------

>I was inspired to try this after the recent topic

>of to chew or not to chew.  Perhaps there is really something to the idea

>that digestion begins in the taste buds and that the actual chewing does

>something we may not realize.



I don't think it's the taste buds as much as the enzyme action of the

saliva.  Salivary amylaseis key in the digestion of starch and

carbohydrates.   Remember in school when you were given a soda cracker and

told to "chew it until it was sweet?"  That might be what is coming into

effect here, and in that case, it would be a fairly unquie way of

extracting the plant's active chemicals...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lamprisco

From: Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:58:08 -0500

--------

Dear Anita:

        Hmmm. I have not heard about the chewing part, but it certainly

makes sense. Westerners have such a fragmented view of how the body

operates. As for the diabetes question: a few years ago I saw a video about

a woman healer who has a clinic with her daughter in one of the Tibetan

refugee camps in northern India. One of the statements made was that

diabetes is not considered a long term problem in the East, and that she

often heals it with herbs. So of course I think: Western capitalism strikes

again with the insulin industry. . .



I'll be interested to hear if you learn more.



Rondi





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lamprisco

From: Sherry Francetic <Tono2@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:40:38 -0500

--------

Speaking of diabetes-- I was just thinking about this the other day.   My 6

year old neice has had juvenile diabetes for 2  years now--quite severe.  She

takes insulin shots minimum 3 x daily.



I'm not only concerned for her health because of the disease, but also

because she constantly eats foods that contain the commercial artificial

sweeteners.  (It's so difficult to be a child and not be able to eat ice

cream and popsicles, ect., so her mother gives her the diet brand treats)

 I'm curious also, if there are any herbs that could help her.  She's so

young to be dealing with such a serious disease.



Any help is greatly appreciated.



Blessings--



Sherry





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lamprisco

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:59:26 -0900

--------

At 08:58 AM 3/25/97 -0500, Rondi Lightmark wrote:

>Dear Anita:

>        Hmmm. I have not heard about the chewing part, but it certainly

>makes sense. Westerners have such a fragmented view of how the body

>operates. As for the diabetes question: a few years ago I saw a video about

>a woman healer who has a clinic with her daughter in one of the Tibetan

>refugee camps in northern India. One of the statements made was that

>diabetes is not considered a long term problem in the East, and that she

>often heals it with herbs. So of course I think: Western capitalism strikes

>again with the insulin industry. . .

>

>I'll be interested to hear if you learn more.

>

>Rondi

>

>

I heard on the radio this morning that diabetes is the number four killer

in the US.  It is apparantly a huge problem.  Bigger than AIDS.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lamprisco

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:30:37 -0900

--------

At 07:40 PM 3/25/97 -0500, Sherry Francetic wrote:

>Speaking of diabetes-- I was just thinking about this the other day.   My 6

>year old neice has had juvenile diabetes for 2  years now--quite severe.  She

>takes insulin shots minimum 3 x daily.

>

>I'm not only concerned for her health because of the disease, but also

>because she constantly eats foods that contain the commercial artificial

>sweeteners.  (It's so difficult to be a child and not be able to eat ice

>cream and popsicles, ect., so her mother gives her the diet brand treats)

> I'm curious also, if there are any herbs that could help her.  She's so

>young to be dealing with such a serious disease.

>

>Any help is greatly appreciated.

>

>Blessings--

>

>Sherry

>

>

I have been researching this subject.  Oplopanax horridus looks promising

but its effects are most effective when chewed fresh or freshly dried (it's

really bitter).  There are a number of other herbs that lower blood sugar.

I am seeking a combination that balances metabolism as well as healing the

pancreas.  I'll keep the list informed.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cancer cures!

From: "Gregory D. Frederick, Ph.D." <BCV-SY@POBOX.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 08:47:53 +0800

--------

Please send me any information, best with some clinical backing, in TCM

and/or herbal treatments that are proported to have effects on cancer of

any variety.



You can send through the usergroup, but direct would also be ok.



Thanks for your help!  GDF





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cancer cures!

From: linda/richard <kyote@WOLFENET.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:26:07 -0800

--------

At 08:47 AM 3/25/97 +0800, you wrote:

>Please send me any information, best with some clinical backing, in TCM

>and/or herbal treatments that are proported to have effects on cancer of

>any variety.

>

you can start your research with the book 'cancer and natural medicine. a

textbook of basic science and clinical research' by john boik

i think john has a web page



richard





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Nursing and Red clover

From: "T. J." <HERBINFO1@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 21:24:43 -0500

--------

Hi,

  It was suggested at a health food store today (by there herb specialist) to

use red clover blossom and dandilion to de-tox the liver, along with milk

thistle or to allternate them.  I told her I was nursing.



The red clover blossom bottle by (Gaia Herb's Inc.) says don't use while

pregnant or  lactating ( I read it when I got home)



What if any is the complications/problems of this herb for baby?



Thanks,

Krista





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nursing and Red clover

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 19:41:05 -0900

--------

At 09:24 PM 3/24/97 -0500, T. J. wrote:

>Hi,

>  It was suggested at a health food store today (by there herb specialist) to

>use red clover blossom and dandilion to de-tox the liver, along with milk

>thistle or to allternate them.  I told her I was nursing.

>

>The red clover blossom bottle by (Gaia Herb's Inc.) says don't use while

>pregnant or  lactating ( I read it when I got home)

>

>What if any is the complications/problems of this herb for baby?

>

>Thanks,

>Krista

>

>

I would not recommend any detoxifying while nursing.  Your baby's system is

very delicate and could be upset by detoxifying herbs.  Wait until you are

not nursing to detox.  Milk thistle is especially strong.  A little mild

dandelion tea may not hurt but I'd not use Red Clover or Milk Thistle on a

baby.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nursing and Red clover

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 11:24:07 +0200

--------

At 07:41 PM 3/24/97 -0900, Anita Hales wrote:

>At 09:24 PM 3/24/97 -0500, T. J. wrote:

>>Hi,

>>  It was suggested at a health food store today (by there herb

specialist) to

>>use red clover blossom and dandilion to de-tox the liver, along with milk

>>thistle or to allternate them.  I told her I was nursing.

>>

>>The red clover blossom bottle by (Gaia Herb's Inc.) says don't use while

>>pregnant or  lactating ( I read it when I got home)

>>

>>What if any is the complications/problems of this herb for baby?

>>

>>Thanks,

>>Krista

>>

>>

>I would not recommend any detoxifying while nursing.  Your baby's system is

>very delicate and could be upset by detoxifying herbs.  Wait until you are

>not nursing to detox.  Milk thistle is especially strong.  A little mild

>dandelion tea may not hurt but I'd not use Red Clover or Milk Thistle on a

>baby.

>

In addition to this, you shouldn't detox your body because a lot of the

antibodies in your milk that you pass to the baby would be flushed out.

You didn't say how old the child is, but babies do not make their own

antibodies until they are 6-8 months old.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: 28th International Symposium on Essential Oils (28ISEO)

From: TBAM <TBAM@VM.BAUM.ANADOLU.EDU.TR>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 13:56:23 UTC

--------

                         28TH INTERNATIONAL

                             SYMPOSIUM

                                 ON

                           ESSENTIAL OILS

                            (28TH ISEO)



                         1-3 September 1997

                          Eskisehir, Turkey



                         Anadolu University

                Medicinal and Aromatic Plant and Drug

                           Research Centre

                               (TBAM)



               ----------------------------------------

                      Second Circular-Call for Papers

               ----------------------------------------





-----------------------------------------------------

Venue .............Anadolu University, Ataturk Culture and

                   ART CENTRE



Date ..............September 1-3, 1997



Deadlines..........For submission of abstracts



                    July 1, 1997



                    For registration at reduced fee

                    July 1, 1997



                    For hotel reservation

                    August 1, 1997



------------------------------------------------------

Invitation

------------------------------------------------------

The 28th International Symposium on Essential Oils

(28th ISEO) will take place between September 1-3, 1997

in Eskisehir. The meeting will be held in Turkey for the

first time. The venue of the symposium is Anadolu University

in Eskisehir, Turkey. The host institution, Medicinal and

Aromatic Plantand Drug Research Centre (TBAM), is also

situated in the University campus.



The symposium will consist of plenary and oral lectures,

poster sessions and social activities. Topics will

include all aspects of essential oils and related natural

products ranging from chemistry to biological activity

and utilization.



We cordially invite interested scientists to participate

in this Symposium.



We believe that the symposium will provide a medium for

mutual contacts and contribute to the advancement of the

science of essential oils.



FOUR DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE SYMPOSIUM PLEASE ACCESS



HTTP://WWW.ANADOLU.EDU.TR/ANADOLU/TBAM/INDEX.HTML



--------------------------------------------

Organizing Committee

--------------------------------------------



President : Prof.Dr. K.Husnu Can Baser, Eskisehir, Turkey



Secretary: Assoc.Prof.Dr. Nese Kirimer, Eskisehir, Turkey



Members : Assist.Prof.Dr. Temel Ozek, Eskisehir, Turkey



          Assist.Prof.Dr. Mine Kurkcuoglu, Eskisehir, Turkey



          Assist.Prof.Dr. Berrin Bozan, Eskisehir, Turkey



          Assist.Prof.Dr. Sedat H. Beis, Eskisehir, Turkey



------------------------------------------------------

Scientific Committee

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Chairman : Prof.Dr. K.Husnu Can Baser, Eskisehir, Turkey



Members : Prof.Dr. Ekrem Sezik, Ankara, Turkey



          Prof.Dr. Gulendam Tumen, Balikesir, Turkey



          Prof.Dr. Karl-Heinz Kubeczka, Hamburg, Germany



          Dr. Daniel Joulain, Grasse, France



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Anadolu University, 26470 Eskisehir/TURKEY

Phone : (90-222) 335 29 52 or 335 05 80 ext. 3661

Fax : (90-222) 335 01 27 or 335 36 16

e-mail : tbamvm.baum.anadolu.edu.tr

Home page: http://www.anadolu.edu.tr/anadolu/tbam/index.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

From: Richters Herbs <owner-richters-l@GREATBASIN.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 06:00:21 -0800

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-----------------------  Richters HerbLetter  ------------------------

  Published by:     Richters, Canada's Herb Specialists

                    Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

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Contents

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1. Natural Medicines Could Cost More, Canadian Coalition Contends

2. Canadian Expedition to Tibet Produces New Antibiotic and Cure for

   Hepatitis B

3. Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine Not Without Risks

4. Herb Business News

------------------------------------------------------------------------

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1. Natural Medicines Could Cost More, Canadian Coalition Contends

------------------------------------------------------------------------

   TORONTO, March 19, Canadian Press -- Canadians who use natural medicines

to battle everything from colds to cancer could soon face steeper costs unless

Ottawa revamps how it regulates the industry, a coalition warned yesterday.



   "We've got to do something fast if Canadians whose health depends on

natural medicines are going to be protected," said Valerie Dugale,

spokeswoman for the Canadian Coalition for Health Freedom.



   The umbrella group, which represents homeopaths, naturopaths and herbalists,

wants federal Health Minister David Dingwall to stop regulating natural

medicines under the Food and Drug Act.



   Without this change, small and medium-sized manufacturers will be crushed,

wiping out thousands of jobs and raising costs, Ms. Dugale said.



   The coalition is furious over proposed licensing fees that will see some

companies paying up to $50,000 each, Ms. Dugale said.  While big multinational

drug companies can afford such fees, the smaller natural-medicine makers

could be crippled, she said.



   But a spokesman for Health Canada insisted that the industry, which

manufactures products such as ginseng, won't suffer.



   The fees would never be more than 1.5 per cent of a manufacturer's total

sales, he said.



   [For more information visit the CCHF website: www.naturallink.com/cchf]



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2. Canadian Expedition to Tibet Produces New Antibiotic and Cure for

   Hepatitis B

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   TORONTO, March 17, 1997 (CP) -- A Canadian-led expedition to Tibet has

produced a potential antibiotic and a possible cure for Hepatitis B.



   University of Toronto chemistry professor and expedition leader,

Michael Denk, says Tibet has an extremely old and elaborate medical

system.



   He says researchers are basically re-enacting things that worked

a long time ago.



   Denk's 1992 expedition collected 420 plants and fungi that are

used as traditional medicines in Tibet.



   And after a battery of tests, three have reached the stage of

clinical trials.



   The potential antibiotic for Hepatitis B is made from a fungus

that grows on caterpillars.



   And Denk says he's optimistic it will be effective.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

3. Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine Not Without Risks

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Chris Herde



   GOLD COAST, March 17, AAP -- Traditional Chinese medicine was safer than

western medicine but not risk-free, a leading researcher  said today.



   Dr Stephen Myers, who is head of the School of Natural and

Complementary Medicine at Southern Cross University at Lismore,  said on

average Australian practitioners of Traditional Chinese  Medicine (TMC)

experience one adverse effect every eight months.



   "Like all effective medical interventions, the practice of TCM  contains

inherent risks ... these were not trivial and fatalities  have occurred,"

Dr Myers said.



   "I think the adage that because it's natural it's always safe is  not

always true."



   He said the consumption of Chinese herbal medicines could lead  to

toxicity and allergic reactions, while the application of  acupuncture can

lead to infection, physical injury, fainting and  convulsions.



   Dr Myers recently co-authored a report - Towards a Safer Choice:  The

Practice of Traditional Chinese Medicine in Australia - with  Alan

Bensoussan of the University of Western Sydney.



   The report found that there were an estimated 2.8 million TCM

consultations in Australia each year, with an expenditure of $84  million.



   Two-in-three TCM patients are female and half are tertiary  educated.



   More than 75 per cent of patients are treated for a recurrent  complaint

of at last three months' duration with the average cost  of a full course

of treatment is $670, including Chinese herbs.



   Dr Myers said demand for TCM was increasing and a key finding of  the

research was the risk of adverse events was linked to the  practitioner's

education in the discipline.



   He said there were 1,500 primary practitioners of TCM in  Australia and

3,000 non-primary ones, who have education standards  ranging from a five-

year clinical training course and a year  internship in a Chinese hospital

to a short course ending with a  certificate.



   "Consumers should also identify the education standards of  people who

claim to be practitioners of Traditional Chinese  Medicine," Dr Myers said.



   He said there were 23 professional TCM associations in  Australia, but

no peak body and the profession had failed to  self-regulate and achieve

uniform standards.



   Dr Myers recommended that the principal form of regulation be  through

professional registration, with practitioners'  qualifications regulated by

state or national bodies.



   Moreover, educational institutions should review the content of  their

courses to ensure adequate training; course requirements  should be

standardised; and medical and clinical sciences should be  taught to non-

medical practitioners.



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4. Herb Business News

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Herbalife: Launches Operations in Chile



   LOS ANGELES (Dow Jones)--Herbalife International Inc. (HERB) Wednesday

said it launched operations in Chile.



  In a press release, the company also said its board approved a quarterly

dividend payment of 15 cents, payable on May 8, to shareholders of record

May 1.



  Herbalife International markets weight-management products which are

available only through a network of independent distributors.



----

PharmaPrint: Names Pharmaceutical Veteran VP of Development



    IRVINE, Calif.--(BUSINESS WIRE)--March 24, 1997--PharmaPrint  Inc.

(NASDAQ:PPRT), which recently announced beginning clinical  trials this

year for new drugs which are pharmaceutical versions of  herbal medicines,

has appointed pharmaceutical veteran Paul D.  Johnston, Ph.D. as vice

president of development.



    President and Chief Executive Officer Elliot Friedman said:  "Paul's 15

years of experience in the biotechnology/pharmaceutical  development field

will greatly assist the company.  His direct  experience in manufacturing

and clinical trials management, and his  extensive experience in working

with the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) is critical to PharmaPrint as

we continue our accelerated  drug development efforts."



    Costas Loullis, PharmaPrint's senior vice president of research  and

development, added, "As PharmaPrint nears its filing of an  Investigational

New Drug Application with the FDA, the company is  certainly fortunate to

add someone with Paul's skills to assist us  with these efforts."

    Johnston was formerly the president and principle consultant for

Pharmaceutical Development Consulting Services, a company that he  founded

in April 1995.  Prior to that effort, Johnston served as  vice president,

product development division, for NeXstar  Pharmaceuticals Inc.



    Johnston has also served in various capacities for Amylin

Pharmaceutical Inc., Molecular Devices Corp., and Genentech Inc.   Johnston

received his B.A. degree in chemistry from the University  of Oregon and

his Ph.D. in biochemistry from Brandeis University.



    PharmaPrint is the only developer and manufacturer of patented

pharmaceutical versions of multi-molecule herbal medicines.   Management

expects to introduce a succession of new pharmaceuticals  originating from

widely demanded, but scientifically untested and  unregulated herbal

products.



    The company also markets its PharmaPrinting technology to other

pharmaceutical companies.  PharmaPrinting was developed over the  course of

20 years at the University of Southern California, which  still owns an

interest in the company.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

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  seeds, and dried herbs. Over 40 new herbs, including many rare Chinese

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  miltiorrhiza). Also Richters exclusive introduction: Orange Spice(TM)

  Thyme -- a wonderful new thyme unlike any other. Order catalogue by

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: dryness gone

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:53:56 -0500

--------

The dry skin, and hot and cold swings, that I have been experiencing as

my body is healing (after years of coffee), is almost gone. As Paul,

Anita and others have suggested I have increased my water, and I added a

little more oil in cooking my veggies. I decided to try a cream with

Calendula on my feet and it seems to be working. The is the only one I

had on hand at the time. It is from a well know herbal company and is

supposedly all natural, but after reading the ingredients most sound

rather chemical. I did have cracks on my heels and they were a little

sore. They are almost gone after just two days. I now have one with just

comfrey, olive oil, and  beeswax.



I'm still on the Peppermint tea as Paul suggested and the hot and cold

swings are receding. Yesterday I was cold all day, but after lots of

sleep and rest I seem normal. I had been away from work for 2 weeks, and

after going back to a dry, pressurized airplane, I was tired and red

eyed when I got home.



I'm still shaking my head in wonder at how effective, emotionally

nuturing, and inexpensive natural healing can be.



It was wonderful to go to work and not have aching feet at the end of

the day.



Heartfelt thanks to all.

Susien



P.S. As I mentioned before, I haven't needed deodorant and I forgot to

use any after 2 weeks off it. Even after working up a sweat, I still

didn't need it.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dryness gone

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:03:49 GMT

--------

> I'm still on the Peppermint tea as Paul suggested and the hot and cold

> swings are receding. Yesterday I was cold all day, but after lots of

> sleep and rest I seem normal.



The issue is that the coldness is due to Qi Depletion, while the Heat is due

to Yin Depletion. These two often interact, so a person goes to bed Hot and

wakes up Cold, or goes to bed Cold, gets Hot, and then gets Cold. All of this

disrupts sleep, so the person's pattern of Qi Depletion/Yin Depletion gets

deeper and deeper as time goes on.



The solution? LOTS of rest, as you have found out.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: graying hair

From: JEFFREY SCHILLER <jeffreys@AZTEC.ASU.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 09:14:43 -0700

--------

Over the past few days I have noticed some questions on herbs or herbal

products for graying hair. I am in the midst of doing a review on the

product Shen Min by Biotech Corporation. Their literature states that they

use an ancient Chinese formula that was found to return the hair to its

original color within a few months. It also states that a "side affect"

they have seen has been thicker hair as well. If anyone is interested in inquiring

about this product I would be happy to turn them on to the company.

As the editor of an aromatherapy and herb publication my only interest is to

educate - I am not tied in to any company.



Jeffrey

__________________________________________________________________________



Editor, Making Scents

International Aromatherapy and Herb Association



__________________________________________________________________________





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: graying hair

From: "Gregory D. Frederick, Ph.D." <BCV-SY@POBOX.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 00:33:28 +0800

--------

I would like to know more about BioTech Corporation.  I have both

graying and thining hair!   GDF





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: graying hair

From: brenda asterino <brenda.asterino@DRAGONBBS.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:17:13 -0500

--------

I have a brain injury...have been on different kinds of medications which

have caused me problems.   Since I have been on taurine my hair, altho

graying... the dark is dark like it used to be when I was a child.   I don't

know for sure this is related to the taurine...but it is the only thing I

can think of.



Brenda



At 09:14 AM 3/25/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Over the past few days I have noticed some questions on herbs or herbal

>products for graying hair. I am in the midst of doing a review on the

>product Shen Min by Biotech Corporation. Their literature states that they

>use an ancient Chinese formula that was found to return the hair to its

>original color within a few months. It also states that a "side affect"

>they have seen has been thicker hair as well. If anyone is interested in

inquiring

>about this product I would be happy to turn them on to the company.

>As the editor of an aromatherapy and herb publication my only interest is to

>educate - I am not tied in to any company.

>

>Jeffrey

>__________________________________________________________________________

>

>Editor, Making Scents

>International Aromatherapy and Herb Association

>

>__________________________________________________________________________

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: graying hair

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:07:27 GMT

--------

> Over the past few days I have noticed some questions on herbs or herbal

> products for graying hair. I am in the midst of doing a review on the

> product Shen Min by Biotech Corporation. Their literature states that they

> use an ancient Chinese formula that was found to return the hair to its

> original color within a few months. It also states that a "side affect"

> they have seen has been thicker hair as well. If anyone is interested in

> inquiring about this product I would be happy to turn them on to the

company.

> As the editor of an aromatherapy and herb publication my only interest is

to

> educate - I am not tied in to any company.

>

> Jeffrey



Then DON'T post the brand name, and POST the ingredients. Otherwise, it is an

ad, and I strongly protest such use of the list, as always.



Throwing herbs at health conditions willy-nilly is ALWAYS a bad idea. WHY do

you have thinning hair??? Only on that basis are you going to have an idea

what formula is appropriate.



Number One Hair Care Advice: stop smoking marijuana, drinking coffee, and

eating heavy sweets.



Herbs come a WAY distant second.



P.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: graying hair

From: Paul Rieselman <z941927@OATS.FARM.NIU.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:48:10 -0600

--------

I would be interested on any information of the TCM formula that

thickens??...and restores hair to its natural color...



thanks in advance...



paul.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: graying hair

From: Paul Rieselman <z941927@OATS.FARM.NIU.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:49:54 -0600

--------

could you tell me what taurine is??...it sounds like an amino acid?..but

you said you were on medications, so it might be a med...thanks in advance,





paul.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: graying hair

From: brenda asterino <brenda.asterino@DRAGONBBS.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 16:31:28 -0500

--------

When I got on taurine (amino acid), I got off all other meds.   Have been

only on taurine for about 4 months....  just now noticing the darker color.



brenda



At 02:49 PM 3/25/97 -0600, you wrote:

>could you tell me what taurine is??...it sounds like an amino acid?..but

>you said you were on medications, so it might be a med...thanks in advance,

>

>

>paul.

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: graying hair

From: Penny Harris <ONECENT36@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 11:55:32 -0500

--------

Taurine is an amino acid that is being used in a case of mine where the girl

is having large amounts of seizures. and it improves the medication making it

stronger so she does not need the higher dosages...

It is interesting to note that her hair has grown a good 6"in the last 6 mo

since she has been on the taurine. and also the co-enzymeQ..





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: malaria

From: "Julie A. Mitchell" <jamitche@ZOO.UVM.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:16:13 -0500

--------

greetings- i have a friend who has just returned home after spending 1

month in ghana,  africa. she has contracted malaria. type unknown as of

yet. blood work is being done. anyone with personal experience in dealing

with disease please share. thanks much for your time- julie



88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888



Julie Mitchell

RR 1 Box 54

New Haven, VT. 05472



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: malaria

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:55:17 -0500

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julie,



this on hardly qualifies as "personal experience", because i just heard

about the treatment on the weekend! but it's comming from someone much

respected and honored by me my herbalism prof! a lady with a lifetime

of clinical experience behind her.



the treatment is:



mugwort (artemesia vulgaris)



use tincture of the young leaves, fresh - not dried, gathered before the

plant is in flower.  10 drops three times a day before meals, for three

months.



WARNING: do not use in conjunction with opium derivatives, for people

with high blood pressure, for people wishing to become pregnant, or at

the beginning of pregnancy.



THIS IS IMPORTANT.



please let me know how it goes, step by step, keep a record of symptom

changes (i got into an arguement over the weekend with a sceptical

layman, one of my dear friends, who said that it wouldn't work) i would

like to have the cold hard facts to prove him wrong!



i believe that mugwort isn't available on the market. you'll have to

check and see in your area. if it isn't you'll just have to gather it.



give me news. THIS TIME BY PRIVATE E-MAIL, please.  please do not post

this to the list in you response, as i said that i would not post

anything for a month, and i intend to keep my word.



good luck,



                                        Lee







Julie A. Mitchell wrote:

> 

> greetings- i have a friend who has just returned home after spending 1

> month in ghana,  africa. she has contracted malaria. type unknown as of

> yet. blood work is being done. anyone with personal experience in dealing

> with disease please share. thanks much for your time- julie

> 

> 88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888

> 

> Julie Mitchell

> RR 1 Box 54

> New Haven, VT. 05472

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: MILKWEED AS A HEALER

From: Tatoosh <tatoosh@SPIRITONE.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 14:04:28 -0600

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I am compiling information in regards to milkweed as an herb in...



healing cuts

stopping pain

controlling dia...... (nasty stuff)



and other known aspects of the plant.  if you have any documented

information or stories you would like to share please contact me as soon

as possible.



thanks



hans schnauber

tatoosh motel & bird sanctuary

hans7@tatoosh.com

360 494-2400





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: WormsSite

From: dolores carmona <hfoao040@EMAIL.CSUN.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 12:48:19 -0800

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My nephew has worms.  I do not much more than that.  My family is

strange, they like to keep secrets.  My mom told me about him because she

knows I am into herbs.  What kind of herbs are good for this condition?





Thanks,



Dolores





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: WormsSite

From: "digest (Stacey L. Knerr)" <K9Show@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 21:07:04 -0500

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In a message dated 97-03-25 15:53:52 EST, you write:



<<  What kind of herbs are good for this condition? >>



Well...it would help if the type of worms were known, but since they are

not...."wormwood" is an excellent place to start.



If you find they are tapeworms, I would give "scullcap."  My dogs are prone

to tapes (they just love that kitty litter smorgasboard-YUK), and scullcap

gets rid of the worms--completely--in three days.



--Stacey





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: WormsSite

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:15:29 -0900

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At 12:48 PM 3/25/97 -0800, dolores carmona wrote:

>My nephew has worms.  I do not much more than that.  My family is

>strange, they like to keep secrets.  My mom told me about him because she

>knows I am into herbs.  What kind of herbs are good for this condition?

>

>

>Thanks,

>

>Dolores

>

>

Wormwood, Liquorice fern root, Sword fern root, Watermlon seeds, Pumpkin

seeds, Black walnut, citrus extract.   How's that for starters?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: WormsSite

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:33:55 +0200

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At 04:15 PM 3/26/97 -0900, Anita Hales wrote:

>At 12:48 PM 3/25/97 -0800, dolores carmona wrote:

>>My nephew has worms.  I do not much more than that.  My family is

>>strange, they like to keep secrets.  My mom told me about him because she

>>knows I am into herbs.  What kind of herbs are good for this condition?

>>

>>

>>Thanks,

>>

>>Dolores

>>

>>

>Wormwood, Liquorice fern root, Sword fern root, Watermlon seeds, Pumpkin

>seeds, Black walnut, citrus extract.   How's that for starters?

>

>

How would you apply these?  And are they for internal or external worms?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Depression/Paxil

From: "--   Bridget A. Croft" <BCroft3363@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 17:13:38 -0500

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Hi everyone



I've been taking Paxil (a prozac cousin) since may96, it is almost time for

me to stop...life is more manageable now....but...I would like to take St.

John's Wort while weening off the Paxil, does anyone have any experience with

doing this?? Is it safe?



Thanks,

Bridget





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Depression/Paxil

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:21:58 GMT

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> Bridget,

> I have been using Zoloft (another antidepressant).Although it helped my

> depression,I don't like the side effects.

> I started taking St.John's Wort,along with B vitamins Ginseng(I have low

> energy).My MD also recommened nervines(scullcap,passion flower)but I am not

> an anxious person so I chose not to take those.

> I also take Ginko-Gotu Kola for stimulating my brain.

> I have been told my depression has been brought on by past drug abuse,in

> light of that I was advised to take amino acids.The Gamma type of amino was

> suggested along with a multi-amino.

> The St.John's Wort formula I have been taking advises against taking it

while

> on antidepressants.I took it anyway,and within a week I started having

> headaches.I cut back on my Zoloft dose,the headaches stopped.

> Within amonth I plan to be off Zoloft altogether.

> It's been a trial and error type of situation for me because I haven't

found

> any studies working antidepessants and herbal remedies.Any further help and

> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> Tammy



This and other reports of this sort are lacking one basic feature: a

differential diagnosis, or what Chinese healing would call syndrome

differentiation. 'Depression' is NOT a diagnosis in any useful sense. It is a

category, for which antidepressant drugs are applied, in the absence of any

particularization to the patient. In other words, isolative therapy.



What is needed is an actual description of the sufferings involved, so an

analysis can begin. THEN, the choice of herbs will be optimal.



Gingko is a stimulant.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Depression/Paxil

From: Tammy Brady <Et1day@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:24:38 -0500

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Bridget,

I have been using Zoloft (another antidepressant).Although it helped my

depression,I don't like the side effects.

I started taking St.John's Wort,along with B vitamins Ginseng(I have low

energy).My MD also recommened nervines(scullcap,passion flower)but I am not

an anxious person so I chose not to take those.

I also take Ginko-Gotu Kola for stimulating my brain.

I have been told my depression has been brought on by past drug abuse,in

light of that I was advised to take amino acids.The Gamma type of amino was

suggested along with a multi-amino.

The St.John's Wort formula I have been taking advises against taking it while

on antidepressants.I took it anyway,and within a week I started having

headaches.I cut back on my Zoloft dose,the headaches stopped.

Within amonth I plan to be off Zoloft altogether.

It's been a trial and error type of situation for me because I haven't found

any studies working antidepessants and herbal remedies.Any further help and

suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Tammy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Depression/Paxil

From: Gerrit Saaltink <gerrit@SCO.EDUC.UVA.NL>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:56:10 +0200

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On the 25th march Tammy wrote:



> It's been a trial and error type of situation for me because I haven't found

> any studies working antidepessants and herbal remedies.Any further help and

> suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

> Tammy



Hypericum Perforatum has the same effect in three weeks as the

tricyclic antidepressivants. See: the British Medical Journal,

article in the beginning of august 1996. Ofcourse the dose is

important.



Gerrit Saaltink

fythotherapeut









*********************************************************

Gerrit Saaltink

Secretariaatsmedewerker Progr.gr. Taalonderwijs

SCO-Kohnstamm Instituut, Universiteit van Amsterdam

Wibautstraat 4

1091 GM Amsterdam

tel. 020-5251343 (ma, di, wo)

fax. 020-5251300 (ma, di, wo)

email: gerrit@educ.uva.nl

tel. prive: 020-6693157

*********************************************************

*********************************************************

I've Aristotle

in my bottle:

when wine is in the man,

wisdom is in the can.

*********************************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Depression/Paxil

From: Jack Blomquist <JKVIST@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:17:02 -0500

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Hi....



You don't know me, but my grandfather recently joined this mailing list.  I

saw your post about your taking St. Johns Wort and Zoloft combined.

  STOP!!!!  I found out this myself when I did the same thing...the

combination of these two pills can cause heart failure!!!!  The health food

store where I got the St. Johns didn't tell me this although they knew I was

on Zoloft....I found this out from the Walkers depression mailing

list.....When I mentioned that I was taking both I was flooded w/emails

telling me about this dangerous side effect.  I stopped taking St. Johns

immediately and now I only take the Zoloft.  If you want to talk to me

further...please email me at MRupp84899@aol.com



Melissa





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: IBS???      (long)

From: Amil Osodrac <selo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:27:38 EST

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I need help.



I have lived with abdominal distress for about 30 years. All MD's I have

visited either tell me( after tests) that there is nothing wrong with my

digestive system or prescribe some calmant which make me groggy during

working hours & end up not taking for fear of an accident ( I work around

moving machinery). The last MD labeled it tentatively IBS.



I have tried acupuncture with no long term improvement. It seemed to have

relieved immediately after the first sessions, but after a while just was

no improvement.



I do not drink coffee, any type of sodas for many years, I love homemade

soups and eat them daily, eat an occasional piece of cake , as sugar make

me wired.I love the smell and taste of Cinnamon, but it makes me

depressed, so I avoid it. Mints of any kind are the quickest way to make

me spill my guts. I eat 3 times a day which sometimes include a piece of

fruit as a snack, which I have tried to avoid since a member of this

list. I do not drink much milk (never liked it), I eat an occasional

piece of cheese or yogurt instead. I do not eat my meals too hot. Any

kind of alcohol exacerbates my problem.I have, however, a healthy

appetite which makes my life worse when the eaten food refuses to move

thru, vacating room for the meal I need to satisfy my hunger.



My symptoms are varying burning abdominal  pain( lately with headaches in

acute crisis which have getting more frequent as age progresses),

increase in loudness in ear ringing, increased loss of hair, becoming

extremely drowsy & tired sleeping at all times or being so wired up that

can not sleep more than an hour to a maximum of 5 hours in a 24h period.

inability to concentrate. Anxiety bordering paranoia. Oh , I  have a bad

back ( which the chiro keeps adjusting) to go with it. My bowel movement

has been erratic all my life.



I am in my mid forties, my height  is about 5' 5", my weight varies

around 150 pounds and small bonned.



Two years ago,  while taking antibiotics for an "unrelated" ailment I

have experienced a relief I had not felt in 28 years, which stopped at

the end of that treatment.



I would appreciate suggestions to help resolve this problem.Thank You.



                                        Selo





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???      (long)

From: brenda asterino <brenda.asterino@DRAGONBBS.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:51:14 -0500

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It took a special allergist to diagnose with blood tests that I have the

inability to digest (genetic) the food groups of mammal milk and

nightshades.   When I eat these things, I get the symptoms you describe...

especially the milk products.   YOu say you don't drink milk..but you eat

cheese, yogurt and soups (the kinds with milk in it?).  Milk is in

everything that is processed also.... lactic acid and casineate.    The

nightshades are white potatoes, tomatoes, paprika, cayenne pepper, zucchini,

and related foods.   When I stay off of these foods, I no longer have

colitis, diahhrea, constipation, respiratory and ear problems, tinnitis,

pain and gas in my digestive tract, bleeding rectum, nor arthritis like

symptoms.  My sinus problems are also greatly reduced to almost nothing when

I am good with the foods.



my two cents...



Brenda



At 07:27 PM 3/25/97 EST, you wrote:

>I need help.

>

>I have lived with abdominal distress for about 30 years. All MD's I have

>visited either tell me( after tests) that there is nothing wrong with my

>digestive system or prescribe some calmant which make me groggy during

>working hours & end up not taking for fear of an accident ( I work around

>moving machinery). The last MD labeled it tentatively IBS.

>

>I have tried acupuncture with no long term improvement. It seemed to have

>relieved immediately after the first sessions, but after a while just was

>no improvement.

>

>I do not drink coffee, any type of sodas for many years, I love homemade

>soups and eat them daily, eat an occasional piece of cake , as sugar make

>me wired.I love the smell and taste of Cinnamon, but it makes me

>depressed, so I avoid it. Mints of any kind are the quickest way to make

>me spill my guts. I eat 3 times a day which sometimes include a piece of

>fruit as a snack, which I have tried to avoid since a member of this

>list. I do not drink much milk (never liked it), I eat an occasional

>piece of cheese or yogurt instead. I do not eat my meals too hot. Any

>kind of alcohol exacerbates my problem.I have, however, a healthy

>appetite which makes my life worse when the eaten food refuses to move

>thru, vacating room for the meal I need to satisfy my hunger.

>

>My symptoms are varying burning abdominal  pain( lately with headaches in

>acute crisis which have getting more frequent as age progresses),

>increase in loudness in ear ringing, increased loss of hair, becoming

>extremely drowsy & tired sleeping at all times or being so wired up that

>can not sleep more than an hour to a maximum of 5 hours in a 24h period.

>inability to concentrate. Anxiety bordering paranoia. Oh , I  have a bad

>back ( which the chiro keeps adjusting) to go with it. My bowel movement

>has been erratic all my life.

>

>I am in my mid forties, my height  is about 5' 5", my weight varies

>around 150 pounds and small bonned.

>

>Two years ago,  while taking antibiotics for an "unrelated" ailment I

>have experienced a relief I had not felt in 28 years, which stopped at

>the end of that treatment.

>

>I would appreciate suggestions to help resolve this problem.Thank You.

>

>                                        Selo

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???      (long)

From: Deidre Snow <WEATHERWOMAN@WEBTV.NET>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:02:50 -0500

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I have IBS and have had it for almost 20 years. I changed doctors due to

insurance and when I discussed this with him he told me to use Metamucil

everyday and to eat Shredded Wheat in the brown box, every morning. I

seldom have trouble now. When I do, I contribute it to my menstrual

cycle. Hope this helps!!   Deidre





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???      (long)

From: Claudia Wizner <cwizner@ICAN.NET>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 08:55:29 -0500

--------

This sounds like the symptoms often associated with gluten intolerance or

wheat sensitivity.  Have you considered that you have a sensitivity to wheat

or gluten?  You may want to subscribe to the Celiac list

(listserv@MAELSTROM.stjohns.edu) or search for Celiac and/or gluten on the

web.  There are many pages that will inform you if this might be your problem.





Best of luck







At 07:27 PM 3/25/97 EST, you wrote:

>I need help.

>

>I have lived with abdominal distress for about 30 years. All MD's I have

>visited either tell me( after tests) that there is nothing wrong with my

>digestive system or prescribe some calmant which make me groggy during

>working hours & end up not taking for fear of an accident ( I work around

>moving machinery). The last MD labeled it tentatively IBS.

>

>I have tried acupuncture with no long term improvement. It seemed to have

>relieved immediately after the first sessions, but after a while just was

>no improvement.

>

>I do not drink coffee, any type of sodas for many years, I love homemade

>soups and eat them daily, eat an occasional piece of cake , as sugar make

>me wired.I love the smell and taste of Cinnamon, but it makes me

>depressed, so I avoid it. Mints of any kind are the quickest way to make

>me spill my guts. I eat 3 times a day which sometimes include a piece of

>fruit as a snack, which I have tried to avoid since a member of this

>list. I do not drink much milk (never liked it), I eat an occasional

>piece of cheese or yogurt instead. I do not eat my meals too hot. Any

>kind of alcohol exacerbates my problem.I have, however, a healthy

>appetite which makes my life worse when the eaten food refuses to move

>thru, vacating room for the meal I need to satisfy my hunger.

>

>My symptoms are varying burning abdominal  pain( lately with headaches in

>acute crisis which have getting more frequent as age progresses),

>increase in loudness in ear ringing, increased loss of hair, becoming

>extremely drowsy & tired sleeping at all times or being so wired up that

>can not sleep more than an hour to a maximum of 5 hours in a 24h period.

>inability to concentrate. Anxiety bordering paranoia. Oh , I  have a bad

>back ( which the chiro keeps adjusting) to go with it. My bowel movement

>has been erratic all my life.

>

>I am in my mid forties, my height  is about 5' 5", my weight varies

>around 150 pounds and small bonned.

>

>Two years ago,  while taking antibiotics for an "unrelated" ailment I

>have experienced a relief I had not felt in 28 years, which stopped at

>the end of that treatment.

>

>I would appreciate suggestions to help resolve this problem.Thank You.

>

>                                        Selo

>

>



Claudia





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???      (long)

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:03:32 GMT

--------

> I have lived with abdominal distress for about 30 years. All MD's I have

> visited either tell me( after tests) that there is nothing wrong with my

> digestive system or prescribe some calmant which make me groggy during

> working hours & end up not taking for fear of an accident ( I work around

> moving machinery). The last MD labeled it tentatively IBS.



How kind. All syndromes are 'tentative' ids.



> I have tried acupuncture with no long term improvement. It seemed to have

> relieved immediately after the first sessions, but after a while just was

> no improvement.



What was the diagnosis? Without a good syndrome analysis, therapy is a shot

in the dark at best.



> I do not drink coffee, any type of sodas for many years, I love homemade

> soups and eat them daily, eat an occasional piece of cake , as sugar make

> me wired.I love the smell and taste of Cinnamon, but it makes me

> depressed, so I avoid it.



Makes you depressed? Do you often feel abnormally Hot?



>Mints of any kind are the quickest way to make

> me spill my guts.



You mean you vomit at other times too?



>I eat 3 times a day which sometimes include a piece of

> fruit as a snack, which I have tried to avoid since a member of this

> list. I do not drink much milk (never liked it), I eat an occasional

> piece of cheese or yogurt instead. I do not eat my meals too hot. Any

> kind of alcohol exacerbates my problem.I have, however, a healthy

> appetite which makes my life worse when the eaten food refuses to move

> thru, vacating room for the meal I need to satisfy my hunger.



So you experience Food Stagnation on a regular basis.



> My symptoms are varying burning abdominal  pain( lately with headaches in

> acute crisis which have getting more frequent as age progresses),

> increase in loudness in ear ringing,



A sign of Heat.



>increased loss of hair,



A sign of Heat.



>becoming

> extremely drowsy & tired sleeping at all times or being so wired up that

> can not sleep more than an hour to a maximum of 5 hours in a 24h period.



A sign of Heat and exhausted Kidney Yin Essence.



> inability to concentrate.



Weak Digestion.



>Anxiety bordering paranoia.



Weak Digestion with Phlegm accumulation.



>Oh , I  have a bad

> back ( which the chiro keeps adjusting) to go with it.



Weak Kidneys.



>My bowel movement

> has been erratic all my life.



Poor Qi flow in the Digestion.



> I am in my mid forties, my height  is about 5' 5", my weight varies

> around 150 pounds and small bonned.

>

> Two years ago,  while taking antibiotics for an "unrelated" ailment I

> have experienced a relief I had not felt in 28 years, which stopped at

> the end of that treatment.



Well, that is an improvement for how long? A few weeks I imagine. Nothing

much there to look at with much hopefulness.



> I would appreciate suggestions to help resolve this problem.Thank You.



Obviously, any therapy that only addresses your bowel is insufficient. You

have a chronic illness involving many of your health aspects.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???      (long)

From: Amil Osodrac <selo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:21:19 EST

--------

On Wed, 26 Mar 1997 17:03:32 GMT Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

writes:

>> I have lived with abdominal distress for about 30 years. All MD's I

>have

>> visited either tell me( after tests) that there is nothing wrong

>with my

>> digestive system or prescribe some calmant which make me groggy

>during

>> working hours & end up not taking for fear of an accident ( I work

>around

>> moving machinery). The last MD labeled it tentatively IBS.

>

>How kind. All syndromes are 'tentative' ids.

>

>> I have tried acupuncture with no long term improvement. It seemed to

>have

>> relieved immediately after the first sessions, but after a while

>just was

>> no improvement.

>

>What was the diagnosis? Without a good syndrome analysis, therapy is a

>shot

>in the dark at best.



I do not recall. It was over five years ago.



>> I do not drink coffee, any type of sodas for many years, I love

>homemade

>> soups and eat them daily, eat an occasional piece of cake , as sugar

>make

>> me wired.I love the smell and taste of Cinnamon, but it makes me

>> depressed, so I avoid it.



>Makes you depressed?

-Yes. Is it odd?



 Do you often feel abnormally Hot?

-No... can you exemplify?



>>Mints of any kind are the quickest way to make

>> me spill my guts.



>You mean you vomit at other times too?



-No. But fenugreek toothpaste in the morning was a close call.





>>I eat 3 times a day which sometimes include a piece of

>> fruit as a snack, which I have tried to avoid since a member of this

>> list. I do not drink much milk (never liked it), I eat an occasional

>> piece of cheese or yogurt instead. I do not eat my meals too hot.

>Any

>> kind of alcohol exacerbates my problem.I have, however, a healthy

>> appetite which makes my life worse when the eaten food refuses to

>move

>> thru, vacating room for the meal I need to satisfy my hunger.

>

>So you experience Food Stagnation on a regular basis. (a)

>

>> My symptoms are varying burning abdominal  pain( lately with

>headaches in

>> acute crisis which have getting more frequent as age progresses),

>> increase in loudness in ear ringing,

>

>A sign of Heat. (b)

>

>>increased loss of hair,

>

>A sign of Heat.

>

>>becoming

>> extremely drowsy & tired sleeping at all times or being so wired up

>that

>> can not sleep more than an hour to a maximum of 5 hours in a 24h

>period.

>

>A sign of Heat and exhausted Kidney Yin Essence. (c)

>

>> inability to concentrate.

>

>Weak Digestion.

>

>>Anxiety bordering paranoia.

>

>Weak Digestion with Phlegm accumulation. (d)

>

>>Oh , I  have a bad

>> back ( which the chiro keeps adjusting) to go with it.

>

>Weak Kidneys.

>

>>My bowel movement

>> has been erratic all my life.

>

>Poor Qi flow in the Digestion. (e)

>

>> I am in my mid forties, my height  is about 5' 5", my weight varies

>> around 150 pounds and small bonned.

>>

>> Two years ago,  while taking antibiotics for an "unrelated" ailment

>I

>> have experienced a relief I had not felt in 28 years, which stopped

>at

>> the end of that treatment.

>

>Well, that is an improvement for how long?



Just as long as I took the drugs.



> A few weeks I imagine. Nothing much there to look at with much

hopefulness.

>

>> I would appreciate suggestions to help resolve this problem.Thank

>You.

>

>Obviously, any therapy that only addresses your bowel is insufficient.

>You

>have a chronic illness involving many of your health aspects.

>

>Paul

>

Paul, could you please expound  on (a) thru (e). I know it is written in

english but still feels like another foreign language that i do not know.

                                                                                        Thanks.



                                Selo





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???      (long)

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:30:35 -0900

--------

At 07:27 PM 3/25/97 EST, Amil Osodrac wrote:

>I need help.

>

>I have lived with abdominal distress for about 30 years. All MD's I have

>visited either tell me( after tests) that there is nothing wrong with my

>digestive system or prescribe some calmant which make me groggy during

>working hours & end up not taking for fear of an accident ( I work around

>moving machinery). The last MD labeled it tentatively IBS.

>

>I have tried acupuncture with no long term improvement. It seemed to have

>relieved immediately after the first sessions, but after a while just was

>no improvement.

>

>I do not drink coffee, any type of sodas for many years, I love homemade

>soups and eat them daily, eat an occasional piece of cake , as sugar make

>me wired.I love the smell and taste of Cinnamon, but it makes me

>depressed, so I avoid it. Mints of any kind are the quickest way to make

>me spill my guts. I eat 3 times a day which sometimes include a piece of

>fruit as a snack, which I have tried to avoid since a member of this

>list. I do not drink much milk (never liked it), I eat an occasional

>piece of cheese or yogurt instead. I do not eat my meals too hot. Any

>kind of alcohol exacerbates my problem.I have, however, a healthy

>appetite which makes my life worse when the eaten food refuses to move

>thru, vacating room for the meal I need to satisfy my hunger.

>

>My symptoms are varying burning abdominal  pain( lately with headaches in

>acute crisis which have getting more frequent as age progresses),

>increase in loudness in ear ringing, increased loss of hair, becoming

>extremely drowsy & tired sleeping at all times or being so wired up that

>can not sleep more than an hour to a maximum of 5 hours in a 24h period.

>inability to concentrate. Anxiety bordering paranoia. Oh , I  have a bad

>back ( which the chiro keeps adjusting) to go with it. My bowel movement

>has been erratic all my life.

>

>I am in my mid forties, my height  is about 5' 5", my weight varies

>around 150 pounds and small bonned.

>

>Two years ago,  while taking antibiotics for an "unrelated" ailment I

>have experienced a relief I had not felt in 28 years, which stopped at

>the end of that treatment.

>

>I would appreciate suggestions to help resolve this problem.Thank You.

>

>                                        Selo

>

>

You may have parasites.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???      (long)

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 09:22:45 GMT

--------

> >> I have lived with abdominal distress for about 30 years.



> >What was the diagnosis? Without a good syndrome analysis, therapy is a

> >shot in the dark at best.

>

> I do not recall. It was over five years ago.



The question is: WAS there a concrete diagnosis?



> >> I love the smell and taste of Cinnamon, but it makes me

> >> depressed, so I avoid it.

>

> >Makes you depressed?

> -Yes. Is it odd?



Well, that IS an unusual symptom, yes.



>  Do you often feel abnormally Hot?

> -No... can you exemplify?



Sleep with the window open, have hot flashes, feel uncomfortably edgy at

times....



> >> Two years ago,  while taking antibiotics for an "unrelated" ailment

> >I have experienced a relief I had not felt in 28 years, which stopped

> >at the end of that treatment.

> >

> >Well, that is an improvement for how long?

>

> Just as long as I took the drugs.

>

> > A few weeks I imagine. Nothing much there to look at with much

> hopefulness.



> Paul, could you please expound  on (a) thru (e). I know it is written in

> english but still feels like another foreign language that i do not know.

>

>               Thanks.

>

>                                 Selo



You have some sort of Heat affliction. A Chinese healer SHOULD be able to

treat that condition; I am unsure whether you received a decent diagnosis to

begin with from your acupuncturist, in which case you really haven't gotten

treatment.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 05:56:45 +0200

--------

I'd agree with what Brenda said about it being something in the diet you

eat.  One idea is to do the "allergy" diet.  Eliminate anything that might

cause an allergic reaction (in your case, digestive distress).  Then slowly

add these foods back to your meals.  When the symptoms come back, then you

know whick foods are causing some of your problems.



Another thought is to detox your body...





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???

From: Amil Osodrac <selo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:21:19 EST

--------

On Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:30:35 -0900 Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET> writes:





>You may have parasites.

>



   Parasites?. Please explain. Thanks.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???

From: Amil Osodrac <selo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:21:19 EST

--------

On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 19:51:14 -0500 brenda asterino

<brenda.asterino@DRAGONBBS.COM> writes:

>It took a special allergist to diagnose with blood tests that I have

>the

>inability to digest (genetic) the food groups of mammal milk and

>nightshades.   When I eat these things, I get the symptoms you

>describe...

>especially the milk products.   YOu say you don't drink milk..but you

>eat

>cheese, yogurt and soups (the kinds with milk in it?).  Milk is in

>everything that is processed also.... lactic acid and caseinates.

>The

>nightshades are white potatoes, tomatoes, paprika, cayenne pepper,

>zucchini,

>and related foods.   When I stay off of these foods, I no longer have

>colitis, diarrhea, constipation, respiratory and ear problems,

>tinnitus,

>pain and gas in my digestive tract, bleeding rectum, nor arthritis

>like

>symptoms.  My sinus problems are also greatly reduced to almost

>nothing when

>I am good with the foods.

>

>my two cents...

>

>Brenda

>

I have tried the food item, family & group elimination. No luck. short

period improvement only.



                        Thanks





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???

From: Amil Osodrac <selo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:21:19 EST

--------

On Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:38:51 -0500 Linda Boucher <Linda79334@AOL.COM>

writes:

>You need to be tested for Helicobacter - ask your doctor to test you

>for

>this. Even if the tests are negative, a course of treatment might be

>helpful.

>I am a Microbiologist and have seen atypical symptoms such as you

>describe on

>occasion. Good luck.

>



I have not been tested for that, yet. Thanks



                                selo





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???

From: Amil Osodrac <selo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:21:19 EST

--------

On Wed, 26 Mar 1997 07:02:50 -0500 Deidre Snow <WEATHERWOMAN@WEBTV.NET>

writes:

>I have IBS and have had it for almost 20 years. I changed doctors due

>to

>insurance and when I discussed this with him he told me to use

>Metamucil

>everyday and to eat Shredded Wheat in the brown box, every morning. I

>seldom have trouble now. When I do, I contribute it to my menstrual

>cycle. Hope this helps!!   Deidre

>



Metamucil, shredded wheat, lactulose, etc, did not work. Sometimes I used

to think I have tried everything but, I grew to know better! Thanks.



                                Selo





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:32:54 -0900

--------

At 08:21 PM 3/29/97 EST, Amil Osodrac wrote:

>On Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:30:35 -0900 Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET> writes:

>

>

>>You may have parasites.

>>

>

>   Parasites?. Please explain. Thanks.

>

>

I don't remember all the things you said but you mentioned that it got

better with antibiotics.  Antibiotics can relieve some of the symptoms

produced by parisites and even kill some parasites.  There could be

secondary infections caused by the parasites too.  Parasites are difficult

to eliminate.  It would be difficult to diagnose without more information.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS???

From: Linda Boucher <Linda79334@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:38:21 -0500

--------

Most likely parasite would be Giardia lamblia - can persist for a very long

time and is very common. (However, your symptoms don't seem to be completely

consistent with this parasite.) There are several diagnostic tests for this

parasite - you could ask your doctor about being tested for it.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: IBS??? (long)

From: Linda Boucher <Linda79334@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:38:51 -0500

--------

You need to be tested for Helicobacter - ask your doctor to test you for

this. Even if the tests are negative, a course of treatment might be helpful.

I am a Microbiologist and have seen atypical symptoms such as you describe on

occasion. Good luck.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dogs eating meat

From: JESUS FREAK <DMZACCAGNINI@TINY.COMPUTING.CSBSJU.EDU>

Date: Tue, 25 Mar 1997 23:54:37 -0600

--------

I am laughing a bit at the message that came in regarding the lack

of meat in a dog's diet causing poor skin and fur.



This is simply not true, and no, just as humans are not _truly_ carnivores,

neither are canines.  Probably the reason for the poor skin and fur

is the incorrect diet, but not lack of meat.  Try some higher class

dog food, that should solve the problem.  My meat eating parents feed

our dog lamb and rice dog food...after 6 months of dull fur and itchy,

dry skin they realized that beef and pork was the wrong diet for her.

She is fairly healthy on this, though I know that with a diet void

of all meat she would be at her ultimate health level.  Check out a

veggie/herbivore dog sometime, they are very healthy and beautiful



Deana





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dogs eating meat

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:22:13 GMT

--------

> This is simply not true, and no, just as humans are not _truly_ carnivores,

> neither are canines.  Probably the reason for the poor skin and fur

> is the incorrect diet, but not lack of meat.  Try some higher class

> dog food, that should solve the problem.  My meat eating parents feed

> our dog lamb and rice dog food...after 6 months of dull fur and itchy,

> dry skin they realized that beef and pork was the wrong diet for her.

> She is fairly healthy on this, though I know that with a diet void

> of all meat she would be at her ultimate health level.  Check out a

> veggie/herbivore dog sometime, they are very healthy and beautiful



Canines aren't truly carnivores? On what planet are you living.



The dingo did NOT eat your potato.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dogs eating meat

From: "digest (Stacey L. Knerr)" <K9Show@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 14:28:28 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-26 14:19:17 EST, you write:



<<

 Canines aren't truly carnivores? On what planet are you living.



 The dingo did NOT eat your potato. >>





Ummmmm...as a dog breeder, and a handler of my own dogs.  I have to say that

YES...dogs are strictly carnivores.  The only time they eat "veggies" is if

they eat grass to settle an upset stomach, or if they make a kill, and eat

the stomach contents  (historically, speaking, of course).



Modern dogs are fed processed food, that if you read the labels are mostly

grains and fillers.  I feed my dogs MEAT.  RAW MEAT, with some veggies (also

raw) every now and then.  Their coats are sleek.  Their teeth are strong and

clean.  My Labs are 12 years old, and have NEVER been to the vet to get their

teeth cleaned.  They simply do not need it.



If you must feed your dog a store bought dog food, feed one with some kind of

meat listed as the 1st 2 or 3 ingredients on the label.



I know this is kind off topic, but I feel it is an important issue of canine

health.



--Stacey





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?/Lycci Berries

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 01:01:49 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-24 18:28:38 EST, you write:



<<

         I'm sure that your local bookstore could order it if they don't

carry it.

 The book is titled, "ENTERING THE ZONE," and is by Barry Sears, or

 something like that.  The website for the book is at

 http://www.zonehome.com/index.htm.  The is a sequeal by the same by that

 just came out called, "MASTERING THE ZONE."  I don't know how the two

 compare, though.

  >>





The first book, Entering the Zone is very technical and will be most

appreciated by the scientific mind. Mastering the Zone is for the technically

challenged--much easier to understand, tips on how to make it easier and lost

of recipes.





P.S. Can anyone tell me anything about the Lycci Her or Lycci Berries?



Thanks much,



Kathy





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?/Lycci Berries

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:22:06 GMT

--------

> The first book, Entering the Zone is very technical and will be most

> appreciated by the scientific mind. Mastering the Zone is for the

technically

> challenged--much easier to understand, tips on how to make it easier and

lost

> of recipes.



I am personally watching the Zone diet DESTROY the health of several people

at this time. One of them looks now like death warmed over, and he is a very

conscientious practitione of this latest of food fads founded on goofy

pseudoscientific modernist revamps of one of our most basic INTRINSIC

awarenesses.



> P.S. Can anyone tell me anything about the Lycci Her or Lycci Berries?



Lycii berries are otherwise known as wolf berries, Lycium barbata. They are

small red raisin-like fruit that nourish the Yin, especially that of the

Liver. They are, however, grossly overrated in that regard, at least as a

single herb.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?/Lycci Berries

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:28:16 GMT

--------

> Since you have formed such a strong opinion on this diet program, I know you

> must have good reasons. Would really like to understand how a diet that

seems

> as logical and well-balanced as the Zone could destroy anyone's health. But

> then I guess anything carried to extreme could be damaging. The Zone diet

for

> me consists of very little fruit, small amounts of high glycemic

> carbohydrates (breads, pasta, rice, potatos), lots of veges (low glycemic

> carbs), low-fat protein (meat, poultry, fish, soy, dairy) and some healthy

> fats (flax, nuts, olive oil).  And I feel great. I didn't do it for weight

> loss--just for the balance & health.  What am I missing?



Nothing I can see. But that is not the issue. The diet you are currently

following is only Zone because it avoids carbs. For the most part, it is the

standard diet of most human beings in history.



The problem comes when highly abstract diets that fit the Zone plan are

developed and followed. Seeing people eating Zone candy bars before their

meals gives me the willies. And the continued promulgation of health fads is

doing no one very much good.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The Zone?/Lycci Berries

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:30:07 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-26 13:48:31 EST, you write:



<<

 I am personally watching the Zone diet DESTROY the health of several people

 at this time. One of them looks now like death warmed over, and he is a very

 conscientious practitione of this latest of food fads founded on goofy

 pseudoscientific modernist revamps of one of our most basic INTRINSIC

 awarenesses.>>





Hi Paul,



Thanks for your response.



Since you have formed such a strong opinion on this diet program, I know you

must have good reasons. Would really like to understand how a diet that seems

as logical and well-balanced as the Zone could destroy anyone's health. But

then I guess anything carried to extreme could be damaging. The Zone diet for

me consists of very little fruit, small amounts of high glycemic

carbohydrates (breads, pasta, rice, potatos), lots of veges (low glycemic

carbs), low-fat protein (meat, poultry, fish, soy, dairy) and some healthy

fats (flax, nuts, olive oil).  And I feel great. I didn't do it for weight

loss--just for the balance & health.  What am I missing?



Thanks for your input.



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy



P.S. Thanks for the info on the Lycii Berries.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: meds.......

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:22:46 GMT

--------

> She is a pure Vata type in Ayurvedic terms, is in her mid fifties, still in

> menopause with constant night sweats,



Damage to the Kidneys.



>5'3", weighing 105, has lifelong

> chronic insomnia,



Damage to the Heart.



>eats only one full meal a day in the evening,



Damage to the Stomach.



>late at

> night before going to bed, and has frequent diarrhea and flatulence.



Yeah, no wonder. Whatever gave her the idea that she could starve her Organs

all day long? You left out the coffee that drives this behavior....



>She

> also has Reynaud's Syndrome.



Of course she does. Her Liver Qi is about as abnormal as it can get.



>She has very high energy and often tends to

> stay up half the night, so she has no regular sleep cycle. She tends to go

> to bed at 2 AM, but rises early to take her son to school.



So she is destroying her health for her Liver's sake. A pity.



> She has recently been trying the diet where all complex carbohydrates are

> cut out, and this is helping with the digestive problems. She says that the

> insomnia is like a switch that won't turn off, but once she falls asleep,

> she stays asleep. To get there, she has tried everything from alcohol to

> melatonin, valerian, massage, sleeping pills. . .



Everything except a proper diet, and appropriate management of her Liver

energies.



People commonly presume that their 'lifestyle' develops individualistically,

instead of as a result of positive feedback loops in their health. This

person needs to find the norm, not further explore the possibilities of

individualistic __pathogenic__ lifestyle.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: 28th International Symposium on Essential Oils

From: TBAM <TBAM@VM.BAUM.ANADOLU.EDU.TR>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:47:34 UTC

--------

                         28TH INTERNATIONAL

                             SYMPOSIUM

                                 ON

                           ESSENTIAL OILS

                            (28TH ISEO)



                         1-3 September 1997

                          Eskisehir, Turkey



                         Anadolu University

                Medicinal and Aromatic Plant and Drug

                           Research Centre

                               (TBAM)



               ----------------------------------------

                      Second Circular-Call for Papers

               ----------------------------------------





-----------------------------------------------------

Venue .............Anadolu University, Ataturk Culture and

                   ART CENTRE



Date ..............September 1-3, 1997



Deadlines..........For submission of abstracts



                    July 1, 1997



                    For registration at reduced fee

                    July 1, 1997



                    For hotel reservation

                    August 1, 1997



------------------------------------------------------

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------------------------------------------------------

The 28th International Symposium on Essential Oils

(28th ISEO) will take place between September 1-3, 1997

in Eskisehir. The meeting will be held in Turkey for the

first time. The venue of the symposium is Anadolu University

in Eskisehir, Turkey. The host institution, Medicinal and

Aromatic Plantand Drug Research Centre (TBAM), is also

situated in the University campus.



The symposium will consist of plenary and oral lectures,

poster sessions and social activities. Topics will

include all aspects of essential oils and related natural

products ranging from chemistry to biological activity

and utilization.



We cordially invite interested scientists to participate

in this Symposium.



We believe that the symposium will provide a medium for

mutual contacts and contribute to the advancement of the

science of essential oils.



FOUR DETAILED INFORMATION ABOUT THE SYMPOSIUM PLEASE ACCESS



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Secretary: Assoc.Prof.Dr. Nese Kirimer, Eskisehir, Turkey



Members : Assist.Prof.Dr. Temel Ozek, Eskisehir, Turkey



          Assist.Prof.Dr. Mine Kurkcuoglu, Eskisehir, Turkey



          Assist.Prof.Dr. Berrin Bozan, Eskisehir, Turkey



          Assist.Prof.Dr. Sedat H. Beis, Eskisehir, Turkey



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Members : Prof.Dr. Ekrem Sezik, Ankara, Turkey



          Prof.Dr. Gulendam Tumen, Balikesir, Turkey



          Prof.Dr. Karl-Heinz Kubeczka, Hamburg, Germany



          Dr. Daniel Joulain, Grasse, France



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Phone : (90-222) 335 29 52 or 335 05 80 ext. 3661

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e-mail : tbamyvm.baum.anadolu.edu.tr

Home page: http://www.anadolu.edu.tr/anadolu/tbam/index.html



QUIT





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:51:14 GMT

--------

> The potential antibiotic for Hepatitis B is made from a fungus

> that grows on caterpillars.

>

>    And Denk says he's optimistic it will be effective.



You don't have to go to Tibet to find Dong chong xia cao, Cordyceps sinensis.

It grows throughout Southwestern China.



Hyping this herb as a 'new' discovery here in the West, which it is NOT,

strikes me as yet another Richter's ad.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Richter's ad, part 2

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 09:51:19 GMT

--------

>    "Like all effective medical interventions, the practice of TCM  contains

> inherent risks ... these were not trivial and fatalities  have occurred,"

> Dr Myers said.



With no substantiation offered. Typical AMA-type hit piece.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: graying hair/jeffery /making scents

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:28:25 GMT

--------

> >please send me the info on the formula and more info about your publication

>

>

> The formula contains 500 mg of powdered Rudix Polygoni Multiflora.



THAT is a formula? What nonsense.



Heshouwu, for many, many people, is harmful to the health. It is much too

Warm an herbal to be used singly. Btw, what you have before you is cooked

Heshouwu. Raw is an anthraquinone glycoside laxative.



Take these ads off the list.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ASCLEPIAS RECIPE

From: Tatoosh <tatoosh@SPIRITONE.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 15:14:30 -0600

--------

anyone have a recipe or formula using any of the asclepias species and

sub-species?



any information at all would be appreciated.



hans schnauber

hans7@i-link-2.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ASCLEPIAS RECIPE

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:36:40 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-26 18:59:37 EST, you write:



<< From:        tatoosh@SPIRITONE.COM (Tatoosh)

 anyone have a recipe or formula using any of the asclepias species and

 sub-species? >>



Asclepias tuberosa L. (family Asclepiadaceae [Milkweed family] )-See

Butterfly weed; Pleurisy Root; Orange Milkweed.

The roots were used as a folk remedy for pleurisy and other lung diseases,

thus the common name pleurisy root.



Do you want anything and everything from the Milkweed family?  That covers a

lot of territory.

T.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ASCLEPIAS RECIPE

From: Tatoosh <tatoosh@SPIRITONE.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 16:39:44 -0600

--------

Henrietta Lala wrote:

>

> In a message dated 97-03-26 18:59:37 EST, you write:

>

> << From:        tatoosh@SPIRITONE.COM (Tatoosh)

>  anyone have a recipe or formula using any of the asclepias species and

>  sub-species? >>

>

> Asclepias tuberosa L. (family Asclepiadaceae [Milkweed family] )-See

> Butterfly weed; Pleurisy Root; Orange Milkweed.

> The roots were used as a folk remedy for pleurisy and other lung diseases,

> thus the common name pleurisy root.

>

> Do you want anything and everything from the Milkweed family?  That covers a

> lot of territory.

> T.

thanks for the reply.



however, i have all the historical and mystical uses...  what i am

looking for is any known recipes...(i.e., 10 grams for tea.  sap from

the leaves or the stock.  process for boiling, etc, etc..)



any help in this area would be most appreciated.  i will credit all

those that have supplied information.



thanks.



hans schnauber





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aswaganda

From: Naneen Ortiz <naortiz@DTTUS.COM>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 19:14:03 CST

--------

          Good Evening Everyone!



          Does anyone know how to harvest, prepare and store

          Aswaganda. My gardening partner and I are growing

          some and we know what it is good for, memory loss,

          nervousness, but we can not find out what to do

          with it. Make a tea?!? make a poultice?!?



          Any help would be appreciated.



          Thanks.



          Naneen





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aswaganda

From: Naneen Ortiz <naortiz@DTTUS.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:35:26 CST

--------

          I'm not sure this went out the last time I sent

          it. Please forgive me if you receive two copies of

          this but our company server is known to eat

          outgoing messages, or at the very least sit on

          them for a few days. ;)



          *****



          Good Afternoon Everyone!



          Does anyone know how to harvest, prepare and store

          Aswaganda(sp?). My gardening partner and I are

          growing some and we know what it is good for:

          memory loss, nervousness, fertility (?!?) but we

          can not find out what to do with it. Make a tea?!?

          make a poultice?!?



          Any help would be appreciated.



          Thanks.



          Naneen Ortiz





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aswaganda

From: Randy Froeba <htcw@GNA.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 08:39:41 -0600

--------

Naneen Ortiz wrote:

>

>           I'm not sure this went out the last time I sent

>           it. Please forgive me if you receive two copies of

>           this but our company server is known to eat

>           outgoing messages, or at the very least sit on

>           them for a few days. ;)

>

>           *****

>

>           Good Afternoon Everyone!

>

>           Does anyone know how to harvest, prepare and store

>           Aswaganda(sp?). My gardening partner and I are

>           growing some and we know what it is good for:

>           memory loss, nervousness, fertility (?!?) but we

>           can not find out what to do with it. Make a tea?!?

>           make a poultice?!?

>

>           Any help would be appreciated.

>

>           Thanks.

>

>           Naneen Ortiz

**********************************************************************

Naneen,

I have been trying to find some info on the way to process the

herbs you are growing but can find nothing specific. I have found

a few word to describe the way it has been used..."40 militers per

day" (as a tea-made the same way as you would ginseng) and also

in capsule form. The root should be harvested after first frost

when the plant has died back.



Hope this helps...if I come across anything specific I'll let you

know.



Randy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: hydrocortisone

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 04:32:58 +0200

--------

>Cortisone is NOT the "safe" thing doctors percieve it to be.

>



Defintely true!  I am a cronic sufferer of stress induced eczema, and when

I was young, my mom used hydrocortisone .05% on my arms.  (I was 3 1/2 and

had an extreme case.)  Not only did it not help, it actually made it worse.

 The ointment is not water-soluble, therfore does not let sweat and uric

acids evaporate from the skin.  They sit on the inflamed area,  causing

more irritation.

If you really want to use hydrocortisone, I'd urge you to stick to the

lotion form. At least if it does cause problems, you don't have to scrub it

off!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Seeking fellow students

From: Caryl & Evo <emarcon@TALLSHIPS.ISTAR.CA>

Date: Wed, 26 Mar 1997 18:55:20 -0800

--------

Hi everyone:

I'm doing the Wild Rose College Wholistic Healing program and wonder if

anyone else on the list has done it. I'm only in the early study stage,

and would really appreciate off-list contact with others who've *been

there, done that* to exchange ideas, questions (lots!) etc.



TIA



Caryl

-- head in clouds, nose in books

emarcon@tallships.istar.ca





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Diet... etc (long)

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 09:02:37 GMT

--------

> I follow this simple philosophy and don't have any major problems with my

> weight. According to the twiggy society we live in I would be about 10lbs

> overweight! But I feel fine :)



Moderate 'overweight' with high vitality is actually more healthful than

slimness in many cases. We simply cannot predict reliably the needed shape

for any human being at any specific point in time, nor are slim people

necessarily less prone to failure and dejection.



Overweight suggests excessive fluidity, and that is an issue. But many, many

lean people are NOT fluid at all...they are often very rigid. The proper

issue is a balance of structural and fluid characteristics, regardless of

what that looks like on someone's body.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Diet... etc (long)

From: Margo <margo@Q-NET.NET.AU>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 21:26:44 +0800

--------

OK I have been lurking for a while but I can't help myself!!!!



Firstly I have never eaten a lot of fruit, mostly because I literally don't

like it.  I have never suffered any vitamin deficiency from this!



Diet is a bad word quite frankly!!!! THe best way I have found to lose

weight is very simple!!! Start listening to your own body!!! I think most

of us were brought up with the philosophy of eating everything put in front

of us or " you don't get any dessert!"  THis is BAD!!!! If you listen to

your body more carfeully while you're eating then you should be able to

stop eating when your BODY has had enuff food and NOT keep going till the

plate is empty.  Another thing is to eat when you are actually hungry!!!!

and NOT just because it happens to be lunchtime!!!! Mealtimes have been

imposed by civilisation and are not necessarily very good.  THe only other

thing is not to have a meal just before you sleep!! Of course along with

this I don't eat sweets, chocolate or snacks  as a general rule .

Occasional exceptions of course :)



I follow this simple philosophy and don't have any major problems with my

weight. According to the twiggy society we live in I would be about 10lbs

overweight! But I feel fine :)



I listen to a lot that Paul has to say as it has a lot of value! :) sorry

Paul but you have a similar problem to me!! very strong opinions! THis

doesnt bother me at all I'm happy to say.  Everyone has different opinions

and in a list like this we are all entitled to express them however you

wish.  If I don't like a particaular message I trash it and go to the next

one without replying, this works fine for me as well :)



Sorry for a long message



Margo



If you think nobody cares if you're alive,

try missing a couple of car payments!



<mailto:margo@q-net.net.au>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tian qi to repair delicate tissue

From: "Joseph Zacker, Ph.D." <JoeZ6@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 17:30:01 -0500

--------

This is said to be a Chinese herb which is quite good at repairing injury to

delicate tissues, such as in the retina.  I'd appreciate learning about it

for a several people I know.  Any experience?  references?      Thank you.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: NATIVE AMERICAN HISTORICAL DATA ON ASCLEPIAS

From: Tatoosh <tatoosh@SPIRITONE.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 20:25:01 -0600

--------

I am completing the compiling of reliable data on the Asclepias

medicinal remedies used by many Native American's.



If those on the list would like to receive this information, please

email me privately.



hans7@i-link-2.net



The journal consist of 28 letter size pages.



Thanks.



Hans Schnauber

Nature's Choice

Tatoosh Motel & Bird Sanctuary





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fw: Greetings

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 22:51:20 -0500

--------

HELLO and welcome. As far as I know Wild Yam helps a woman

GET pregant. Read the book Hormone Replacement Yes or NO by Betty Kaymen. She

studied the wild yam. Get it at the library.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fw: Greetings

From: Dina Kerr and Dick Kerr <dikerr@MINDLINK.BC.CA>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 07:51:16 -0800

--------

>----------

>> From: tomn'laurie <thx1138@eburg.com>

>> To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR.

>> Subject: Greetings

>> Date: Thursday, March 27, 1997 1:00 PM

>>

>> > (Mexican) Wild Yam, and it's use as a method of birth control.

>> Laurie R.Birdsong

>

>

>

>As the mother of a 30 year old marrie daughter who doesn't want any more

children, I wish she would use Wild Yams as her method of birth control:)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Alcoholism and kudzu

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 27 Mar 1997 23:21:45 -0500

--------

Paul, you mentioned that kudzu was used in the treatment of alcoholism

and that it functioned like antabuse.  In what form is the kudzu

processed?  Cooked in food?  Tinctured?  Decocted?  What dosages?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Alcoholism and kudzu

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 18:11:49 GMT

--------

> Paul, you mentioned that kudzu was used in the treatment of alcoholism

> and that it functioned like antabuse.  In what form is the kudzu

> processed?  Cooked in food?  Tinctured?  Decocted?  What dosages?



What is being used is a standardized extract of kudzu. I'm not a proponent of

this usage, and only rose to attack the myth that it was a 'cure' for

alcoholism.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal Discussion Group

From: Danielle <danielle@PLANETLINK.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 00:21:58 -0700

--------

Hi,



A new Herb Discussion group is forming in the Palo Alto/Menlo Park area

(California). Location is approximatley 30-40 minutes away from

San Francisco.



Meet once a month to share healing knowledge, recipes, expertise, etc.



If anyone is interested, or knows of someone else that may be interested,

please have them contact us.



We look forward to meeting more "Herb Enthusiasts".



Genuinely,



    Danielle....



E-Mail: Danielle@planetlink.com



Telephone:  Lynn   415/326-7613

            Peggy  415/366-9739





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: TCM!

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 07:52:51 GMT

--------

> I appreciate all your knowledgeable posts, and want to say thanks for your

> insight.



You're welcome.



>I noticed that you seem to know quite a bit about TCM; are you a

> L.Ac?



I am not; and I do not consider what I practice to be 'TCM.' I prefer to

refer to it as Chinese healing, since I do not hold with the reductive

approaches to this esoteric system of body knowledge that have been the

hallmark of TCM.



>...I was just wondering..if you are, would you tell me more about that

> experience with school and training..and maybe about the practice of TCM,

> its growth trends, financial rewards, and other aspects pertaining to TCM

> in America?



About these things, I have very little to say. I really could not care less

about 'financial rewards,' and all that. Healing is only a career as a result

of doing that behavior, which in my opinion is a given spirit-duty. MUST you

heal? Then do so, and mazel tov. If you want a career 'helping people,' that

is noble, but it is far beneath a true calling, imo. Become a dental

assistant, or something.



As for 'growth' of TCM, well, it rises with the tide of alternative healing,

but remains as utterly vulnerable to shifts of public confidence and

legislative whim as any of that industry. Spending $25,000 to get an L.Ac

after your name is one way to go. For myself, not yet being interested in

BEING a needler, I have no reason to do so, other than cowardice at the

potential legal hassles. But we do not live forever...I prefer to trust

spirit and live my life on the page of a living destiny, instead of in the

lower case Roman numeral mind, in the preface of social whim.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: TCM!

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 12:19:12 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-28 11:48:31 EST, you write:



Paul Iaonne writes:

<<  Healing is only a career as a result

 of doing that behavior, which in my opinion is a given spirit-duty >>



Fascinating-on my end, we have a saying "Dit pas merci," which means "Say no

thanks," all thanks go to the true healer-spirit.  Among the traiteurs here,

it is considered a sacred duty and calling.

T.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Kidney Yin depletion

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:18:35 GMT

--------

> Am I right in saying that the important issue here is Kidney Yin

> Depletion not diet?



Hey! Give that woman a gold star.



>My western way of thinking has me concentrating on

> the externals only - drinking coffee, my environment at work, my shoes.

> This approach is new to me, so I am having a trouble expressing what I

> am trying to say. Is it important to realize that the external causes

> are only a small part of the picture and that the more important thing

> is to focus on the energy imbalance, (I don't know the Chinese term)

> which in this case is the Kidney Yin depletion? Is this way of looking

> at a health problem similar to the way a homeopath works with disease?



NO, don't confuse issues. The point is that it is the whole body that is

suffering a problem, and a HOLISTIC approach is of most use. Beyond that,

measures should address that holistic issue, and not just bandaid the problem

without seeking the underlying order and disorder.



Secondarily, lifestyle change is ALWAYS, ALWAYS, ALWAYS more important than

herbs. Plants want to help, but first we must help ourselves to the degree of

our capability. I believe that using plants in absence of that call to

responsibility is a MISUSE and dishonor to our relationship with plants.



> Is it necessay to study acupuncture, the meridians etc., as well as

> chinese herbs and theory to be a better herbalist?



Not particularly. It helps understand certain symptom patterns, yes. But the

real issue is the ANATOMY and PATHOPHYSIOLOGY of Chinese healing, which is

the most linear, coherent, and concise set of holistic observations extant

from the great traditions of healing.



>Western herbal

> information has never seemed complete to me. Of course, I haven't read

> any of the more formal, technical texts or school texts written in the

> West. Is the information in these texts as specific as the Chinese?



NO, and it never was. It DID, however, AS KNOWLEGE, contain much more than it

currently does as 'information,' that's for sure.



> I have often wondered how to choose an herb for healing. Pat formulas

> don't seem so pat anymore. For instance, I have often read that it is a

> good idea to use an alterative in healing. How would I know which one to

> choose? If I was working with the lungs, isn't one be better than the

> other, and shouldn't it be specific for that person? But how would you

> know which one to use unless you have studied for years and years?



It is quite a problem. Very subtle changes in a Chinese formula can make

MAJOR differences in success rate. It is disturbing, but so. NONETHELESS, in

most cases, a solid understanding of Chinese anatomy and pathophysiology

helps immensely in choosing herbs and recommendations. After all, if you do

not understand health or the specifics of an illness, how can you proceed?



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Kidney Yin depletion

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:59:32 -0500

--------

In reading Paul's responce to one of my posts I realized something.

Hopefully I am on my way to a more correct way of thinking.



Just a quick recap- one of the posters who works in a store had

suggested I drink a menopause tea for my hot and cold flashes. I

answered that that my orignal problem was sore feet and a change in diet

had been suggested -going off coffee and drinking Peppermint tea and as

a result I started getting colds, sinus problems, and hot and cold

periods. When Paul answered that sore feet, hot flashes and menopause

are all a CLASSIC Kidney Yin depletion symptom, and NO, he did not

suggest the cause was diet or bad shoes, I realized I need to adjust my

thinking.



Am I right in saying that the important issue here is Kidney Yin

Depletion not diet? My western way of thinking has me concentrating on

the externals only - drinking coffee, my environment at work, my shoes.

This approach is new to me, so I am having a trouble expressing what I

am trying to say. Is it important to realize that the external causes

are only a small part of the picture and that the more important thing

is to focus on the energy imbalance, (I don't know the Chinese term)

which in this case is the Kidney Yin depletion? Is this way of looking

at a health problem similar to the way a homeopath works with disease?



Is it necessay to study acupuncture, the meridians etc., as well as

chinese herbs and theory to be a better herbalist? Western herbal

information has never seemed complete to me. Of course, I haven't read

any of the more formal, technical texts or school texts written in the

West. Is the information in these texts as specific as the Chinese?



I have often wondered how to choose an herb for healing. Pat formulas

don't seem so pat anymore. For instance, I have often read that it is a

good idea to use an alterative in healing. How would I know which one to

choose? If I was working with the lungs, isn't one be better than the

other, and shouldn't it be specific for that person? But how would you

know which one to use unless you have studied for years and years?



TIA Susien





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: call for article

From: Susan Vegors <susan@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 09:08:16 +0000

--------

I am the editor of Theory and Review in Psychology,

http:www.gemstate.net/susan and I am looking for a good article on the

psychological effects of herbs. Does anyone here know of any authors?

Thanks





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Avoiding Alcohol in Tinctures

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:32:13 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-22 21:34:11 EST, you write:



<<  extracted in alcohol and evaporated down into powder >>

Karen - what is the best way to get evaporation for this purpose, just air

drying or

will a very low oven work better?  Thanx for the helpful tips.  Luvlylin





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Avoiding Alcohol in Tinctures

From: Elizabeth Scotten <escotten@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 07:16:00 -0500

--------

>From:    "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>



>In a message dated 97-03-22 21:34:11 EST, you write:

>

><<  extracted in alcohol and evaporated down into powder >>

>Karen - what is the best way to get evaporation for this purpose, just air

>drying or

>will a very low oven work better?  Thanx for the helpful tips.  Luvlylin



Sorry to "butt in". what about making a dried plant extract? it takes a

while, but no alcohol is involved, to my knowledge. i missed the first part

of the discussion though so i hope i'm not out of line.



health and wellness, eliz





Elizabeth Scotten

escotten@earthlink.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ear wax build-up

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 08:32:19 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-23 20:21:46 EST, you write:



<<  take him to an ENT and have them pressure washed >>

The audiologist is giving good advice but you don't have to go to this

trouble until you have tried this home remedy first. Use a few drops of sweet

oil in each ear to soften the wax (wait a day) then flush it out yourself

with either a rubber bulb syringe (available in any drugstore) filled with

tepid water or if your comfortable with the idea of a slightly stronger wash

action use a water-pic set on the LOWEST pressure, hold his head over a basin

and let the pulsation break up and wash out the wax. A word of caution: the

ear drum MUST be intact or you flush bacteria into the middle ear. He may

also experience a little bit of dizziness , which passes.

Luvlylin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: calcium and peppermint tea

From: Elsa Bruguier <bruguier@RCI.RUTGERS.EDU>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:14:29 -0500

--------

     Does peppermint tea leach (sp.?) calcium from one's bones?



Thank you.



Best,

Elsa Bruguier





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Leg cramps

From: "Valerie E. Harrison" <NEWT@DCSMSERVER.MED.SC.EDU>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 11:36:38 EST

--------

A question for the experts out there:



A friend of mine asked me to post to the list because she is having

excruciating leg cramps in her calves.  She describes them as both

sharp and dull at the same time, and they make her legs twitch

uncontrollably all night long.



I'm not sure what kind of questions I should ask her to be able to

get a good diagnosis, but if anyone could help she'd surely

appreciate it.



Thanks in advance!



Valerie





*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)

NEWT@dcsmserver.med.sc.edu

(But I got better.......)

(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Leg cramps

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:52:21 GMT

--------

> A friend of mine asked me to post to the list because she is having

> excruciating leg cramps in her calves.  She describes them as both

> sharp and dull at the same time, and they make her legs twitch

> uncontrollably all night long.



How much coffee does she drink?



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Leg cramps

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 01:13:51 +0200

--------

At 11:36 AM 3/28/97 EST, Valerie E. Harrison wrote:

>A question for the experts out there:

>

>A friend of mine asked me to post to the list because she is having

>excruciating leg cramps in her calves.  She describes them as both

>sharp and dull at the same time, and they make her legs twitch

>uncontrollably all night long.

>

>I'm not sure what kind of questions I should ask her to be able to

>get a good diagnosis, but if anyone could help she'd surely

>appreciate it.

>

>Thanks in advance!

>

>Valerie

>

>

>*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)*)

>NEWT@dcsmserver.med.sc.edu

>(But I got better.......)

>(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*(*

>

>

Leg cramps are signs of many conditions, several of them serious.  Things

you could ask about are exercise routines, medications (such as birth

control pills), pervious cases of thrombophlebitis (blood cloting in the

legs), and recent weight changes.  Is there anything that she has started

or stop lately?





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lung damage

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 17:51:30 GMT

--------

> Just like the soap bubbles, once combined, it is not realistic to return to

> the original small bubbles.



Well, thank you, and duh.



> Cleaning out the lungs and all will slow the destructive process, but not

> reverse it.



Or stop the destructive process entirely. I am not talking about 'cleaning

out the lungs,' I am talking about curing the illness.



>Increasing the humidity and decreasing the temperature of the

> air breathed in is used with a lot of asthma patients.  Also Eucalytus oil

> is used to loosen up phlegm and build-up in the lungs and respitory system.

>  (I believe this is the same reasoning for suggesting peppermint...)



Not at all. Eucalyptus is the opposite therapy. It is a Warm herbal, not a

Cooling herbal.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lung damage

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 00:33:13 +0200

--------

At 07:52 AM 3/28/97 GMT, Paul Iannone wrote:

>> <<   She was further told that there is no cure for the

>>  disease and that scarring has occurred on the cells which take in the

>>  oxygen from the air breathed into the lungs>>

>>   I'm afraid that statement is correct. Once the alveoli are damaged they

>> physically change and cannot exchange air. However, she can prevent further

>> damage.

>

>Just because they don't have the technology to do it doesn't mean it can't be

>done. The alveoli aren't just crusted over with scars, they are actively

>destroyed by the pathology, BUT, there is no real way for physicians to tell

>the extent of the damage EXCEPT by physiological testing. What that means is

>that the POTENTIAL lung function could be much better than it appears to be

>in testing, especially with appropriate therapy.

>

>Cooling, dirt-clearing herbs are very much in order, and I suspect they will

>give substantial relief of the complaint, and another of the famous,

>begrudging  'spontaneous remission' coughs from the MD priests you have

>talked with. Start with plenty of peppermint.

>

>Paul

>

>

With therapy anyone's lung functions would be improved.  The problem with

damaged alveoli is that they are extremely small, thin membraned sacs in

the lungs.  Imagine soap bubbles.  If you start out with millions ov very

small bubbles, they will tend to combine because of pressure, etc.  This

happens naturally if the lungs are not cared for.  As the alveoli combine,

the surface area where oxygen is exchanged with carbon dioxide is

decreased, slowing the exchange rate and resulting in breathing problems.



Just like the soap bubbles, once combined, it is not realistic to return to

the original small bubbles.



Cleaning out the lungs and all will slow the destructive process, but not

reverse it.  Increasing the humidity and decreasing the temperature of the

air breathed in is used with a lot of asthma patients.  Also Eucalytus oil

is used to loosen up phlegm and build-up in the lungs and respitory system.

 (I believe this is the same reasoning for suggesting peppermint...)



Hope this explains a bit...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ASCLEPIAS JOURNAL

From: Tatoosh <tatoosh@SPIRITONE.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 15:13:47 -0600

--------

due to the overwhelming response requesting the journal on the native

american use of asclepias for medicimal purposes,...



as soon as i have the opportunity, i will be posting the text on the

list sometime before monday morning pst usa.



until then, have a wonderful weekend.



hans schnauber





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ASCLEPIAS JOURNAL

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 01:40:24 -0500

--------

Hans,

Thank you for sharing this information with us.  It was very generous of you.

May I ask if you are Native American?

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Training

From: Katt <katt@NIU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 00:58:22 +0200

--------

        Lately there have several posts about where Paul got his knowledge, what a

TCM is, whether L.Ac is a good training...



        I have been a dabbler for several years...I've got many books on the

subject of healing, alternatively and not (yes, I've read completely

through them).  I've taken the anatomy and physiology classes that I could

get into.  I've studied pharmacology (sort of - enough that I decided that

my gut instincts were right!).  I've talked to healthfood store owners and

accupunturists.  I wrote to several schools that offered Alternative

Healing studies (and I thought regular schooling was expensive!).  Now I've

joined several lists.

        I still feel like I am dabbling.  My dream is to have a house somewhere

with a huge garden and a greenhouse where I can grow as much as will grow

in that climate and offer healing.  I can/will figure out how to get the

materialistic parts of this dream, but is there some source of training

that I am not finding?

        Right now I am finishing up my BS in botany.   Any suggestions for what

steps I should take from here?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ASCLEPIAS JOURNAL PART 1

From: Tatoosh <tatoosh@SPIRITONE.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 20:55:37 -0600

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I hope you find this information on asclepias useful.  For ease of

emailing, I have broke the text into three sections.



Hans





I dedicate this journal to those who have come before me sharing the

wisdom of the ages.





IMPORTANT NATIVE AMERICAN DATA ON HERBAL REMEDIES



Journal organized by Hans Schnauber from recognized universities, the

U.S.D.A., and many other reliable authorities, including anthropology

professor Daniel E. Moerman







Copyright 1997 by Hans Schnauber



All rights reserved



For information about permission to reproduce selections of this

journal, write to Permissions, Nature's Choice Seed Company, PO Box 780,

Packwood, Washington 98361







Share the research of this journal with your friends and family.  I

encourage the sharing of this information with those in the medical

and health profession.





WARNING:  THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS CONSIDERED RELIABLE BUT CAN BE

ONLY USED AS HISTORICAL DATA. NOT TO BE USED AS A MEANS TO SUPPLY ANY

MEDICAL FORMULA.  NATURE'S CHOICE HIGHLY RECOMMENDS CONTACTING A

LICENSED MEDICAL PRACTITIONER BEFORE EXPERIMENTING WITH ANY OF THESE

HISTORIC REMEDIES.









ASCLEPIAS

By Hans Schnauber





According to Gray's Book on Ancient Botany, the Asclepias plant, was

named after the Greek god of healing, Asklepios.  The Asclepias plant is

known historically to have special healing attributes.  Several species

have been used chiefly as a purgative.  The young shoots, leaves, buds,

flowers, and unripe pods are understood to be tasty if boiled in several

changes of water.  Raw, the plants are normally bitter and most leaf

eating animals will avoid them.



According to Greek mythology, Asklepios was not only the god of healing,

but was a protector of nature as well.  Perhaps that is why the

Asclepias genus was named in this manner, as Asclepias is natures host

to butterflies, namely the Monarch and a few hairstreaks and

swallowtails.



Nature's Choice is committed to making available this miracle body

purifier through special teas.  To accomplish this endeavor, Nature's

Choice needs the assistance of people that desire to purify the land as

well as the body.



Dr. Costas Giannakenas, MD, Patras, Greece, brings out that, "Asclepias

is well known in Greece for its medicinal uses. All Greek books on the

subject mention it and apparently Hippocrates (the father of medicine)

mentioned its many uses in his manuscripts."



In biblical writings, Noah, a prophet of the animal kingdom stated, "As

long as the earth remains, seed time and harvest shall not cease...."

In Judeo-Christian literature, Adam, the genealogical parent of modern

man, was created from the dust of the ground.  I believe when we give to

the land, the land will give back to us, don't you? This is how the

natural elements of our world were designed.  This is why Nature's

Choice composed their system so that everyone can benefit from what they

have sown.



There are three different Asclepias seeds distributed by Nature's

Choice:  incarnata, syriaca, and tuberosa.



Incarnata (the Latin name meaning "flesh-colored") has pink to mauve

colored flowers.  Incarnata grows in moist soil.  Sunny areas are

required.



Syriaca spreads by a creeping rhizome which breaks and resprouts when

you improperly pull on the plant.  The flowers on the plant can be

either greenish-white or purplish. Monarch caterpillars spend their

entire lives on the plant.  When you see them on the Syriaca do not

spray them with any kind of insect killer.  The caterpillars are what

metamorphous into beautiful butterflies.  Hummingbirds are also known to

love the nectar.



Tuberosa might even become your favorite garden plant.  Tuberosa usually

has bright orange flowers, although the flowers may be red or yellow.

It blooms from June through September and the seed pods can be used for

dried flower arrangements.  Tuberosa needs full sun, with fairly dry,

well-drained soil.  Not recommended for areas with heavy clay or loam.

Sandy soil is recommended.  Tuberosa appears late in spring, and the

foliage drops after flowering.  Best if harvested during the month of

May.



There are many more species of Asclepias that are indigenous to specific

areas of North America, some of which are mentioned in this journal.

However, incarnata, syriac, and tuberosa were chosen for their

adaptability.



The Nature's Choice system is quite simple:



First:  Plant designated Asclepias seeds you may have already acquired

through the "sow a seed" program (it could be in pots, flower beds, side

yards, or on an acre or two, even more.)



Second: Be a good steward and care for the plants (BY NEVER SPRAYING ANY

KIND OF CHEMICAL ON OR AROUND THE PLANT.)  The caterpillars and

butterflies will love you forever.



Third:  Harvest a portion of the plants you've grown, always leaving at

least ten percent of the crop for the future.  If at harvest time you so

desire, you can sell the roots back to an authorized Nature's Choice

distribution center.  Nature's Choice will then use the roots to prepare

different types of tea that will quiche your bodies thirst.



Hans Schnauber, Data Research









THE HISTORICAL USE OF ASCLEPIAS IN NATIVE AMERICA



Family Asclepiadaceae

Genus Asclepias

aka Milkweed









ADULTERANT

According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was also used for adulterant.



APPETIZER

Asclepias syriaca

Chippewa

Plant eaten before a feast to increase the appetite.

Densmore, Frances 1928 Uses of Plants by the Chippewa Indians. SI-BAE

Annual Report

#44:273-379



ALTERATIVE

Tends to restore to normal health

According to the U.S.D.A., incarnata and syriaca were used by Native

American's to restore fellow tribe members to normal health.



ANALGESIC

Reduces or eliminates pain

Asclepias sp.

Cahuilla

Gum applied to insect sting pain. Bean, Lowell John and Katherine Siva

Saubel 1972 Temalpakh (From the Earth); Cahuilla Indian Knowledge and

Usage of Plants. Banning, CA. Malki Museum Press



Asclepias perennis

Cherokee

Infusion of root taken with root of "virgin's bower" for backache.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias quadrifolia

Cherokee

Infusion of root taken with root of "virgin's bower" for backache.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias syriaca

Cherokee

Infusion of root taken with root of "virgin's bower" for backache.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C. Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias tuberosa

Cherokee Used for breast, stomach and intestinal pains. Hamel, Paul B.

and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their Uses -- A 400 Year

History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias cryptoceras

Paiute

Decoction of root used as a wash for headaches.

Train, Percy, James R. Henrichs and W. Andrew Archer 1941 Medicinal Uses

of Plants by Indian Tribes of Nevada.  Washington DC. U.S. Department of

Agriculture



According to the U.S.D.A., Asclepias curassavica was also used by some

tribes in North America.



ANODYNE

Soothes or eliminates pain



According to the U.S.D.A., albicans was used by some tribes in North

America as a treatment for pain.



ANTHELMINTIC

Acts to expel or destroy parasitic intestinal worms.

Asclepias incarnata

Meskwaki

Infusion of root used to drive the tapeworms from a person in one hour.

Smith, Huron H. 1928 Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:175-326



According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was also used by some tribes in

North America as a vermifuge for the treatment of parasitic intestinal

worms.



ANTICONVULSIVE

Asclepias sp

Delaware, Oklahoma

Infusion of pounded roots of five species taken for epileptic fits.

Tantaquidgeon, Gladys 1942 A Study of Delaware Indian Medicine Practice

and Folk Beliefs. Harrisburg. Pennsylvania Historical Commission



ANTIDIARRHEAL

A substance used to prevent or treat diarrhea

Asclepias tuberosa

Cherokee

Seeds boiled in "new milk" and used for diarrhea.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias pumila

Lakota

Infusion of leaves taken for diarrhea.

Rogers, Dilwyn J 1980 Lakota Names and Traditional Uses of Native Plants

by Sicangu (Brule) People in the Rosebud Area, South Dakota. St.

Francis, SD. Rosebud Educational Society



Asclepias nyctaginifolia

Navajo, Kayenta

Infusion of plant given to infants with diarrhea.

Wyman, Leland C. and Stuart K. Harris 1951 The Ethnobotany of the

Kayenta Navaho. Albuquerque. The University of New Mexico Press



ANTIDYSENTERY



According to the U.S.D.A., asthmatica and curassavica were used as an

antidysentery.



ANTIDOTE

A remedy or other agent used to neutralize or counteract the effects of

a poison



According to the U.S.D.A., sp was used to neutralize or counteract the

effects of unspecified poisons.



ANTIRHEUMATIC

Asclepias syriaca

Iroquois (External)

Stalks cooked as greens and used for rheumatism.

Parker, Arthur Caswell 1910 Iroquois Uses of Maize and Other Food

Plants. Albany, NY. University of the State of New York



Asclepias tuberosa

Delaware (External)

Roots used for rheumatism.

Tantaquidgeon, Gladys 1972 Folk Medicine of the Delaware and Related

Algonkian Indians. Harrisburg. Pennsylvania Historical Commission

Anthropological Papers #3



Asclepias tuberosa

Delaware, Oklahoma (Internal)

Root used for rheumatism.

Tantaquidgeon, Gladys 1942 A Study of Delaware Indian Medicine Practice

and Folk Beliefs. Harrisburg. Pennsylvania Historical Commission



Asclepias viridiflora

Blackfoot (External)

Poultice of chewed roots applied to swellings and rashes.

Hellson, John C. 1974 Ethnobotany of the Blackfoot Indians. Ottawa.

National Museums of Canada.



According to the U.S.D.A., incarnata and tuberosa were also used for

this purpose.



ANTISPASMODIC

Relieves or prevents spasms, especially of smooth muscle.



According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa was used by some tribes in North

America as an antispasmodic.



ANTITUMOR

Counteracts or prevents the formation of malignant tumors; anticancer



According to the U.S.D.A., incarnata, lanuginosa, syriaca, and

verticillata were used to counteract or prevent malignant tumors.



ANTITUSSIVE

Capable of relieving or suppressing coughing



According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca was used to relieve or suppress

coughing.



APERIENT

Gently stimulates evacuation of the bowels; laxative.



According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa was used by some tribes in North

America as a special laxative.



ASTHMA



According to the U.S.D.A., fruticosa, incarnata, syriaca, and viridis

were used in the treatment of asthma.



ASTRINGENT

Draws together or constricts tissues; styptic



According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was used by some tribes as an

astringent.



BILE

According to the U.S.D.A., fruticosa was used in North America for bile.



BOIL

According to the U.S.D.A., glaucescens was used to treat boils.



BREAST

According to the U.S.D.A., decipiens was used for the health of the

breast.



BRONCHITIS

According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca and tuberosa was used as a medical

treatment for bronchitis.



BUG BITE

According to the U.S.D.A., sp was also used to treat bug bites.



CANCER TREATMENT

According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica, glaucescens, and syriaca have

been used as a purgative.



CANDY (CHEWING GUM)

Asclepias erosa

Coahuilla

Sap collected, set aside to solidify, heated over the fire and used as a

chewing gum.

Barrows, David Prescott 1967 The Ethno-Botany of the Coahuilla Indians

of Southern California. Banning CA. Malki Museum Press. Originally

Published 1900



Asclepias asperula

Gosiute

Latex used as a chewing gum.

Chamberlin, Ralph V. 1911 The Ethno-Botany of the Gosiute Indians of

Utah. Memoirs of the American Anthropological Association 2(5):331-405



Asclepias cordifolia

Karok

Latex boiled, condensed and chewed.

Baker, Marc A. 1981 The Ethnobotany of the Yurok, Tolowa and Karok

Indians of Northwest California. Humboldt State University, M.A. Thesis



Asclepias eriocarpa

Karok

Milk stirred, heated, mixed with salmon fat or deer grease and used for

chewing gum.

Schenck, Sara M. and E. W. Gifford 1952 Karok Ethnobotany.

Anthropological Records 13(6):377-392



Asclepias sp.

Karok

Juice used for chewing gum.

Merriam, C. Hart 1966 Ethnographic Notes on California Indian Tribes.

University of California Archaeological Research Facility, Berkeley



Asclepias subverticillata

Keres, Western

Ripe seed silk mixed with grease and used as chewing gum.

Swank, George R. 1932 The Ethnobotany of the Acoma and Laguna Indians.

University of New Mexico, M.A. Thesis



Asclepias californica

Kawaiisu

Milky juice boiled until thick and chewed like chewing gum.

Zigmond, Maurice L. 1981 Kawaiisu Ethnobotany. Salt Lake City.

University of Utah Press



Asclepias californica

Kawaiisu

Leaves roasted under hot ashes and chewed.

Zigmond, Maurice L. 1981 Kawaiisu Ethnobotany. Salt Lake City.

University of Utah Press



Asclepias eriocarpa

Luiseno

Stem sap boiled in water until coagulation and used as chewing gum.

Sparkman, Philip S. 1908 The Culture of the Luiseno Indians. University

of California Publications in American Archaeology and Ethnology

8(4):187-234



Asclepias erosa

Tubatulabal

Juice roasted until congealed and used as chewing gum.

Voegelin, Ermine W. 1938 Tubatulabal Ethnography. Anthropological

Records 2(1):1-84



Asclepias cordifolia

Yurok

Dried latex chewed by the older people at their leisure.

Baker, Marc A. 1981 The Ethnobotany of the Yurok, Tolowa and Karok

Indians of Northwest California. Humboldt State University, M.A. Thesis





CARMINATIVE

Induces the expulsion of gas from the stomach and intestines

Asclepias incarnata

Meskwaki

Root used as a diuretic, carminative, cathartic and emetic.

Smith, Huron H. 1928 Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:175-326



According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa was also used.



CARRIES

According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was used for carries.



CATARRH

According to the U.S.D.A., incarnata was used for catarrh.



CATHARTIC

Purges the bowels; a laxative

Asclepias incarnata

Meskwaki

Root used as a diuretic, carminative, cathartic and emetic.

Smith, Huron H. 1928 Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:175-326



According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca and tuberosa was also known to be

used by some tribes.



CEREMONIAL MEDICINE

Asclepias asperula

Navajo, Ramah

Plant used as ceremonial emetic.

Vestal, Paul A. 1952 The Ethnobotany of the Ramah Navaho. Papers of the

Peabody Museum of American Archaeology and Ethnology 40(4):1-94



Asclepias tuberosa

Omaha

Ceremony connected with the obtaining and distribution of this prized

root.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1919 Uses of Plants by the Indians of the Missouri

River Region. SI-BAE Annual Report #33



CICATRIZANT

According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca was used for cicatrizant.



COLD REMEDY

Asclepias eriocarpa

Costanoan

Decoction of plant and plant salve used for colds.

Bocek, Barbara R. 1984 Ethnobotany of Costanoan Indians, California,

Based on Collections by John P. Harrington.  Economic Botany

38(2):240-255



According to the U.S.D.A., fruticosa was also used as a cold remedy.



COLIC

According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa was used as a treatment for colic.



CONDYLOMA

According to the U.S.D.A., sp and verticillata was used for condyloma.



CONTRACEPTIVE

Asclepias syriaca

Iroquois

Infusion of dried, pulverized roots and rhizomes taken by women for

temporary sterility.

Rousseau, Jacques 1945 Le Folklore Botanique De Caughnawaga.

Contributions de l'Institut botanique l'Universite de Montreal 55:7-72





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ASCLEPIAS JOURNAL PART 2

From: Tatoosh <tatoosh@SPIRITONE.COM>

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 20:56:34 -0600

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DEBILITY

According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa was used for debility.



DEPURATIVE

According to the U.S.D.A., nivea was used as a depurative.



DYSPEPSIA

According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca was used for dyspepsia.



DERMATOLOGICAL AID

Asclepias viridiflora

Blackfoot

Poultice of chewed roots applied to diarrhea rash and nursing baby's

sore gums.

Hellson, John C. 1974 Ethnobotany of the Blackfoot Indians. Ottawa.

National Museums of Canada.



Asclepias perennis

Cherokee

Rubbed on warts to remove them and infusion given for "milksick

(mastitis)."

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias quadrifolia

Cherokee

Rubbed on warts to remove them and infusion given for "milksick

(mastitis)."

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias syriaca

Cherokee

Rubbed on warts to remove them and infusion given for "milksick

(mastitis)."

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias eriocarpa

Costanoan

Milky juice used to reduce corns.

Bocek, Barbara R. 1984 Ethnobotany of Costanoan Indians, California,

Based on Collections by John P. Harrington.  Economic Botany

38(2):240-255



Asclepias incarnata

Iroquois

Cold infusion of roots applied to heal babies navel.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias syriaca

Iroquois

Milk used for warts, bee stings and cuts.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias californica

Kawaiisu Drug

Dried, powdered plant applied to spider bites.

Zigmond, Maurice L. 1981 Kawaiisu Ethnobotany. Salt Lake City.

University of Utah Press



Asclepias eriocarpa

Mendocino

Plant juice applied to cuts, sores and warts.

Chestnut, V. K. 1902 Plants Used by the Indians of Mendocino County,

California. Contributions from the U.S.  National Herbarium 7:295-408



Asclepias tuberosa

Menominee

Poultice of root used or decoction taken for bruises, swellings or

lameness.

Densmore, Francis 1932 Menominee Music. SI-BAE Bulletin #102



Asclepias tuberosa

Menominee

Simple or compound poultice of pulverized root used on cuts, wounds and

bruises.

Smith, Huron H. 1923 Ethnobotany of the Menomini Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:1-174



Asclepias tuberosa

Navajo, Ramah

Decoction or infusion of various plant parts used for dog or coyote

bites.

Vestal, Paul A. 1952 The Ethnobotany of the Ramah Navaho. Papers of the

Peabody Museum of American Archaeology and Ethnology 40(4):1-94



Asclepias tuberosa

Omaha

Fresh and dried root used in several ways on wounds and sores.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1919 Uses of Plants by the Indians of the Missouri

River Region. SI-BAE

Annual Report #33



Asclepias cryptoceras

Paiute

Latex used for ringworm.

Train, Percy, James R. Henrichs and W. Andrew Archer 1941 Medicinal Uses

of Plants by Indian Tribes of Nevada.  Washington DC. U.S. Department of

Agriculture



Asclepias cryptoceras

Paiute, Northern

Poultice of dried, powdered roots applied to sores.

Fowler, Catherine S. 1989 Willards Z. Park's Ethnographic Notes on the

Northern Paiute of Western Nevada 1933-1940. Salt Lake City. University

of Utah Press



Asclepias syriaca

Rappahannock

Milk of fresh plant applied to warts and ringworm.

Speck, Frank G., R.B. Hassrick and E.S. Carpenter 1942 Rappahannock

Herbals, Folk-Lore and Science of Cures.  Proceedings of the Delaware

County Institute of Science 10:7-55



DIAPHORETIC

Produces or increases perspiration

Asclepias verticillata

Choctaw Drug (Diaphoretic)

Root used as a sudorific and stimulant.

Campbell, T.N. 1951 Medicinal Plants Used by Choctaw, Chickasaw, and

Creek Indians in the Early Nineteenth Century. Journal of the Washington

Academy of Sciences 41(9):285-290



According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica, syriaca, and tuberosa were also

used.



DIATARY AID

Asclepias stenophylla

Lakota

Root given to children to increase the appetite.

Rogers, Dilwyn J 1980 Lakota Names and Traditional Uses of Native Plants

by Sicangu (Brule)

People in the Rosebud Area, South Dakota. St. Francis, SD. Rosebud

Educational Society



DIURETIC

Tends to increase the discharge of urine

Asclepias incarnata

Iroquois

Decoction of plants taken for too much or too little urine.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias incarnata

Meskwaki

Root used as a diuretic, carminative, cathartic and emetic.

Smith, Huron H. 1928 Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:175-326



According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca and tuberosa were also used by other

tribes.



EMETIC

Causes vomiting

Asclepias incarnata

Meskwaki

Root used as a diuretic, carminative, cathartic and emetic.

Smith, Huron H. 1928 Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:175-326



According to the U.S.D.A., asthmatica, aurea, curassavica, nivea,

syriaca, and tuberosa were also used by Native American Indians.



EXPECTORANT

Promotes or facilitates the secretion or expulsion of phlegm, mucus,

or other matter from the respiratory tract

Asclepias tuberosa

Cherokee

Used as an expectorant and taken for pleurisy.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



According to the U.S.D.A., asthmatica and syriaca were also known to be

used.



FEVER

According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica, nivea, syriaca, and viridis were

used to treat fever.



FOOD

Asclepias sp.

Cahuilla

Parboiled leaves used as greens from May until June.

Bean, Lowell John and Katherine Siva Saubel 1972 Temalpakh (From the

Earth); Cahuilla Indian Knowledge and Usage of Plants. Banning, CA.

Malki Museum Press



Asclepias syriaca

Chippewa

Tender leaves, young green seed pods, sprouts and tops cooked as greens.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1933 Some Chippewa Uses of Plants. Ann Arbor.

University of Michigan Press



Asclepias syriaca

Iroquois

Tender stems, leaves and immature flower clusters cooked and seasoned

with salt, pepper or butter.

Waugh, F. W. 1916 Iroquis Foods and Food Preparation. Ottawa. Canada

Department of Mines



Asclepias syriaca

Iroquois

Stalks eaten as greens in spring.

Parker, Arthur Caswell 1910 Iroquois Uses of Maize and Other Food

Plants. Albany, NY. University of the State of New York



Asclepias sp.

Kiowa

Young fruits, after first removing the outer "hairy" surface, cooked and

eaten.

Vestal, Paul A. and Richard Evans Schultes 1939 The Economic Botany of

the Kiowa Indians. Cambridge MA.  Botanical Museum of Harvard University



Asclepias incarnata

Menominee

Heads, deer broth or fat used to make soup.

Smith, Huron H. 1923 Ethnobotany of the Menomini Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:1-174



Asclepias incarnata

Menominee

Cut, dried heads stored for winter use.

Smith, Huron H. 1923 Ethnobotany of the Menomini Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:1-174



Asclepias syriaca

Meskwaki

Buds used in soups.

Smith, Huron H. 1928 Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:175-326



Asclepias syriaca

Meskwaki

Buds cooked with meat or added to cornmeal mush, tastes like okra.

Smith, Huron H. 1928 Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:175-326



Asclepias syriaca

Meskwaki

Dried buds stored away in paper bags for winter use.

Smith, Huron H. 1928 Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:175-326



Asclepias syriaca

Ojibwa

Young shoots and flower buds cooked like spinach.

Arnason, Thor, Richard J. Hebda and Timothy Johns 1981 Use of Plants for

Food and Medicine by Native Peoples of Eastern Canada. Canadian Journal

of Botany 59(11):2189-2325



Asclepias syriaca

Ojibwa

Fresh flowers and shoot tips, mucilaginous like okra when cooked, used

in meat soups.

Smith, Huron H. 1932 Ethnobotany of the Ojibwe Indians. Bulletin of the

Public Museum of Milwaukee 4:327-525



Asclepias syriaca

Ojibwa

Dried flowers, freshened in the winter time, made into soup.

Smith, Huron H. 1932 Ethnobotany of the Ojibwe Indians. Bulletin of the

Public Museum of Milwaukee 4:327-525



Asclepias syriaca

Omaha

Tender shoots boiled and eaten as a vegetable.

Fletcher, Alice C. and Francis La Flesche 1911 The Omaha Tribe. SI-BAE

Annual Report #27



Asclepias syriaca

Omaha

Young shoots used for food like asparagus.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1913 A Study in the Ethnobotany of the Omaha Indians.

Nebraska State Historical Society Collections 17:314-57.



Asclepias syriaca

Omaha

Inflorescence, before the flower buds opened, and young fruits used as

greens.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1913 A Study in the Ethnobotany of the Omaha Indians.

Nebraska State Historical Society Collections 17:314-57.



Asclepias syriaca

Omaha

Boiled young sprouts, floral bud clusters and young, firm green fruits

used for food.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1919 Uses of Plants by the Indians of the Missouri

River Region. SI-BAE Annual Report #33



Asclepias syriaca

Pawnee

Boiled young sprouts, floral bud clusters and young, firm green fruits

used for food.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1919 Uses of Plants by the Indians of the Missouri

River Region. SI-BAE

Annual Report #33



Asclepias syriaca

Ponca

Boiled young sprouts, floral bud clusters and young, firm green fruits

used for food.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1919 Uses of Plants by the Indians of the Missouri

River Region. SI-BAE Annual Report #33



Asclepias syriaca

Potawatomi

Flowers and buds used to thicken meat soups and to impart a very

pleasing flavor to the dish.

Smith, Huron H. 1933 Ethnobotany of the Forest Potawatomi Indians.

Bulletin of the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 7:1-230



Asclepias syriaca

Winnebago

Boiled young sprouts, floral bud clusters and young, firm green fruits

used for food.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1919 Uses of Plants by the Indians of the Missouri

River Region. SI-BAE Annual Report #33



FUNGOID

According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa was used for fungoid.



GASTROINTESTINAL AID

Asclepias involucrata

Keres, Western

Infusion of plant used as a stomach medicine.

Swank, George R. 1932 The Ethnobotany of the Acoma and Laguna Indians.

University of New Mexico, M.A. Thesis



Asclepias syriaca

Iroquois

Infusion of leaves taken as a stomach medicine.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias hallii

Navajo

Infusion of plant used as tonic after deliverance.

Elmore, Francis H. 1944 Ethnobotany of the Navajo. Sante Fe, NM. School

of American Research



Asclepias sp.

Navajo

Infusion of crushed, dried leaves taken for stomach troubles.

Elmore, Francis H. 1944 Ethnobotany of the Navajo. Sante Fe, NM. School

of American Research



Asclepias exaltata

Omaha

Raw root eaten for stomach trouble.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1919 Uses of Plants by the Indians of the Missouri

River Region. SI-BAE Annual Report #33



Asclepias exaltata

Ponca

Root eaten raw for stomach trouble.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1919 Uses of Plants by the Indians of the Missouri

River Region. SI-BAE Annual Report #33



GYNECOLOGICAL AID

Asclepias tuberosa

Cherokee

Infusion used for "bloody flux" and infusion of root used for heart

trouble.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias syriaca

Chippewa

Cold decoction of root added to food to produce postpartum milk flow.

Densmore, Frances 1928 Uses of Plants by the Chippewa Indians. SI-BAE

Annual Report #44:273-379



Asclepias tuberosa

Delaware

Roots administered to women following childbirth.

Tantaquidgeon, Gladys 1972 Folk Medicine of the Delaware and Related

Algonkian Indians.

Harrisburg. Pennsylvania Historical Commission Anthropological Papers #3



Asclepias tuberosa

Delaware, Oklahoma

Root used to make a drink taken by women after childbirth.

Tantaquidgeon, Gladys 1942 A Study of Delaware Indian Medicine Practice

and Folk Beliefs. Harrisburg. Pennsylvania Historical Commission



Asclepias subverticillata

Hopi

Plant used to increase mother's milk flow.

Whiting, Alfred F. 1939 Ethnobotany of the Hopi. Museum of Northern

Arizona Bulletin #15



Asclepias subverticillata

Hopi

Used by the mother to produce a flow of milk.

Vestal, Paul A 1940 Notes on a Collection of Plants from the Hopi Indian

Region of Arizona Made by J. G. Owens in 1891. Botanical Museum Leaflets

(Harvard University) 8(8):153-168



Asclepias verticillata

Hopi

Infusion of entire plant taken by nursing mother with scanty flow of

milk.

Fewkes, J. Walter 1896 A Contribution to Ethnobotany. American

Anthropologist 9:14-21



Asclepias syriaca

Iroquois

Compound decoction of plants taken to prevent hemorrhage after

childbirth.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias subverticillata

Keres, Western

Crushed leaves rubbed on mothers' breasts to produce more and richer

milk.

Swank, George R. 1932 The Ethnobotany of the Acoma and Laguna Indians.

University of New Mexico, M.A. Thesis



Asclepias subverticillata

Keres, Western

Infusion of plant used by mothers for more and richer milk.

Swank, George R. 1932 The Ethnobotany of the Acoma and Laguna Indians.

University of New Mexico, M.A. Thesis



Asclepias verticillata

Lakota

Used by mothers to increase their milk.

Rogers, Dilwyn J 1980 Lakota Names and Traditional Uses of Native Plants

by Sicangu (Brule) People in the Rosebud Area, South Dakota. St.

Francis, SD. Rosebud Educational Society



Asclepias syriaca

Ojibwa

Root used as a female remedy for unspecified ailment.

Smith, Huron H. 1932 Ethnobotany of the Ojibwe Indians. Bulletin of the

Public Museum of Milwaukee 4:327-525



Asclepias sp.

Tewa

Plant used for sore breasts.

Robbins, W.W., J.P. Harrington and B. Freire-Marreco 1916 Ethnobotany of

the Tewa Indians. SI-BAE Bulletin #55





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HEADACHE MEDICINE

According to the U.S.D.A., albicans, curassavica, and linaria was used

as a remedy for

headaches.



HEART MEDICINE

Asclepias tuberosa

Cherokee

Infusion used for "bloody flux" and infusion of root used for heart

trouble.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



According to the U.S.D.A., albicans was also used.



HEMORRHAGE

According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa was used for hemorrhage.



HEMOSTAT

An agent, such as a chemical, that stops bleeding



According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was used to help stop bleeding.



HYSTERIA

According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa is the only Asclepias that is known

to treat hysteria.



KIDNEY AID

Asclepias perennis

Cherokee

Plant taken for "gravel," "dropsy" and as a laxative.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias quadrifolia

Cherokee

Plant taken for "gravel," "dropsy" and as a laxative.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias syriaca

Cherokee

Plant taken for "gravel," "dropsy" and as a laxative.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias incarnata

Iroquois

Decoction of plants taken for lame backs and the kidneys.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias syriaca

Iroquois

Compound used for dropsy.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias sp.

Natchez

Infusion of root taken for "kidney trouble and Bright's disease."

Swanton, John R 1928 Religious Beliefs and Medical Practices of the

Creek Indians. SI-BAE Annual Report #42:473-672



Asclepias sp.

Natchez

Infusion of roots taken for kidney troubles and nephritis.

Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain

Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard

University



LAXATIVE

Stimulates evacuation of the bowels

Asclepias perennis

Cherokee

Plant taken for "gravel," "dropsy" and as a laxative.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias quadrifolia

Cherokee

Plant taken for "gravel," "dropsy" and as a laxative.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias syriaca

Cherokee

Plant taken for "gravel," "dropsy" and as a laxative.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias tuberosa

Cherokee

Seeds or root used as gentle laxative.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa was the only Asclepias that was used

as a gentle laxative.



LEPROSY

According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was used by some for the

treatment of leprosy.



LEUCORRHEA

According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was used for leucorrhea.



MASTICATORY

According to the U.S.D.A., eriocarpa was used for masticatory.



MEDICINE

According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca and tuberosa were used as effective

herbs for treating many

ailments.



MISCELLANEOUS REMEDIES

Asclepias sp.

Delaware

Infusion of pounded roots used for epilepsy in those born during certain

phases of the moon.

Tantaquidgeon, Gladys 1972 Folk Medicine of the Delaware and Related

Algonkian Indians.

Harrisburg. Pennsylvania Historical Commission Anthropological Papers #3



Asclepias tuberosa

Navajo, Ramah

Plant used for influenza.

Vestal, Paul A. 1952 The Ethnobotany of the Ramah Navaho. Papers of the

Peabody Museum of American Archaeology and Ethnology 40(4):1-94



MOLE

According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca was used for the treatment of moles.



NECK ACHE

According to the U.S.D.A., viridis was used by some tribes in North

America as a remedy for  a neck ache.



NERVINE

According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca was used for nervine.



NOSE MEDICINE

Asclepias verticillata

Navajo

Plant used for nose and throat troubles.

Elmore, Francis H. 1944 Ethnobotany of the Navajo. Sante Fe, NM. School

of American Research



ORTHOPEDIC AID

Asclepias incarnata

Iroquois

Decoction of plants taken for lame backs and the kidneys.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias tuberosa

Menominee

Poultice of root used or decoction taken for bruises, swellings or

lameness.

Densmore, Francis 1932 Menominee Music. SI-BAE Bulletin #102



PALPITATION

According to the U.S.D.A., viridis was used for palpitation.



PANACEA

A remedy for all diseases, evils, or difficulties; a cure-all



According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa was used by many tribes in North

America as a cure-all.



PECTORAL

Relieves disorders of the chest or respiratory tract

According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica and nivea were also known to be

used by some.



PEDIATRIC AID

Asclepias incarnata

Chippewa

Infusion of root used as a strengthening bath for children and adults.

Densmore, Frances 1928 Uses of Plants by the Chippewa Indians. SI-BAE

Annual Report #44:273-379



Asclepias incarnata

Iroquois

Cold infusion of roots applied to heal babies navel.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias pumila

Lakota

Infusion of leaves taken by children with diarrhea.

Rogers, Dilwyn J 1980 Lakota Names and Traditional Uses of Native Plants

by Sicangu (Brule) People in the Rosebud Area, South Dakota. St.

Francis, SD. Rosebud Educational Society



Asclepias nyctaginifolia

Navajo, Kayenta

Infusion of plant given to infants with diarrhea.

Wyman, Leland C. and Stuart K. Harris 1951 The Ethnobotany of the

Kayenta Navaho. Albuquerque. The University of New Mexico Press



PILE

According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was used for pile.



PLEURISY

According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca and tuberosa were used for pleurisy.



PNEUMONIA

According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca was used by Native American's for the

treatment of pneumonia.



POULTICE

According to the U.S.D.A., tuberosa and viridis were used by some for

poultice.



PRESERVES

Asclepias syriaca

Chippewa

Flowers cut up, stewed and eaten like preserves.

Densmore, Frances 1928 Uses of Plants by the Chippewa Indians. SI-BAE

Annual Report #44:273-379



PULMONARY

Asclepias tuberosa

Cherokee

Used as an expectorant and taken for pleurisy and lung inflammations.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias tuberosa

Delaware

Roots used for pleurisy.

Tantaquidgeon, Gladys 1972 Folk Medicine of the Delaware and Related

Algonkian Indians. Harrisburg. Pennsylvania Historical Commission

Anthropological Papers #3



Asclepias tuberosa

Delaware, Oklahoma

Root used for pleurisy.

Tantaquidgeon, Gladys 1942 A Study of Delaware Indian Medicine Practice

and Folk Beliefs. Harrisburg. Pennsylvania Historical Commission



Asclepias syriaca

Menominee

Buds eaten or decoction of root used for chest discomfort.

Densmore, Francis 1932 Menominee Music. SI-BAE Bulletin #102



Asclepias tuberosa

Mohegan

Dried root used for pleurisy.

Tantaquidgeon, Gladys 1972 Folk Medicine of the Delaware and Related

Algonkian Indians. Harrisburg. Pennsylvania Historical Commission

Anthropological Papers #3



PURGATIVE

Cleanses or purges, especially causing evacuation of the bowels



According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica and linaria were used as a

purgative.



OTHER USES

Asclepias eriocarpa

Costanoan

Powdered, dried roots inhaled to cause sneezing.

Bocek, Barbara R. 1984 Ethnobotany of Costanoan Indians, California,

Based on Collections by John P. Harrington.  Economic Botany

38(2):240-255



Asclepias incarnata

Iroquois

Compound decoction of roots taken and used as wash for stricture.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias syriaca

Iroquois

Compound decoction of roots taken for stricture.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias tuberosa

Iroquois

Infusion of roots used as a wash for arms, shoulders and body for

lifting.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



RESPIRATORY AID

Asclepias eriocarpa

Costanoan

Burning dried plant smoke inhaled for asthma.

Bocek, Barbara R. 1984 Ethnobotany of Costanoan Indians, California,

Based on Collections by John P. Harrington.  Economic Botany

38(2):240-255



Asclepias latifolia

Isleta

Ground leaf and stem powder inhaled for catarrh.

Jones, Volney H. 1931 The Ethnobotany of the Isleta Indians. University

of New Mexico, M.A. Thesis



Asclepias asperula

Navajo, Kayenta

Plant used as a snuff for catarrh.

Wyman, Leland C. and Stuart K. Harris 1951 The Ethnobotany of the

Kayenta Navaho. Albuquerque. The University of New Mexico Press



Asclepias auriculata

Navajo, Kayenta

Plant used for nasal congestion from a cold.

Wyman, Leland C. and Stuart K. Harris 1951 The Ethnobotany of the

Kayenta Navaho. Albuquerque. The University of New Mexico Press

Asclepias tuberosa Omaha Root eaten raw for bronchial and pulmonary

trouble. Gilmore, Melvin R. 1919 Uses of Plants by the Indians of the

Missouri River Region. SI-BAE Annual Report #33



Asclepias tuberosa

Ponca

Root eaten raw for bronchial and pulmonary trouble.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1919 Uses of Plants by the Indians of the Missouri

River Region. SI-BAE Annual Report #33



RIB ACHE

According to the U.S.D.A., viridis was used to treat pain in the rib

area.



RINGWORM

According to the U.S.D.A., syriaca was also used by some tribes in North

America to treat ringworm.



SCOFULA

According to the U.S.D.A., vincetoxicum was used historically for

scofula.



SHORTWINDEDNESS

According to the U.S.D.A., viridis was used for the purpose of treating

shortwindedness.



SORES

According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica, syriaca, and tuberosa were used

to treat sores.



SNAKE BITE REMEDY

Asclepias tuberosa

Rappahannock

Poultice of bruised leaves bound to snakebites.

Speck, Frank G., R.B. Hassrick and E.S. Carpenter 1942 Rappahannock

Herbals, Folk-Lore and Science of Cures.  Proceedings of the Delaware

County Institute of Science 10:7-55.



Asclepias verticillata

Choctaw

Root chewed, saliva swallowed and strong decoction taken for snakebite.

Campbell, T.N. 1951 Medicinal Plants Used by Choctaw, Chickasaw, and

Creek Indians in the Early Nineteenth Century. Journal of the Washington

Academy of Sciences 41(9):285-290



SPORTS MEDICINE

Asclepias tuberosa

Iroquois

Poultice of smashed roots applied to legs and running shoes dampened or

washed for running strength. Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois

Medical Botany. State University of New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



STAPLE

Asclepias sp

Cahuilla

Seeds ground into flour.

Bean, Lowell John and Katherine Siva Saubel 1972 Temalpakh (From the

Earth); Cahuilla Indian Knowledge and Usage of Plants. Banning, CA.

Malki Museum Press



STIMULANT

Temporarily arouses or accelerates physiological or organic activity

Asclepias verticillata

Choctaw

Root used as a sudorific and stimulant.

Campbell, T.N. 1951 Medicinal Plants Used by Choctaw, Chickasaw, and

Creek Indians in the Early Nineteenth Century. Journal of the Washington

Academy of Sciences 41(9):285-290



STOMACHIC

Strengthens or stimulates the stomach

According to the U.S.D.A., incarnata was used to treat stomach problems.



STRENGTHENER

Increases strength

Asclepias incarnata

Chippewa

Infusion of root used as a strengthening bath for children and adults.

Densmore, Frances 1928 Uses of Plants by the Chippewa Indians. SI-BAE

Annual Report #44:273-379



Asclepias incarnata

Iroquois

Infusion of roots taken and used as wash to give strength.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



STERNUTATORY

Causes or tends to cause sneezing



According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica, otarioides, and ovata was used

to induce sneezing.



STYPTIC

Tends to check bleeding by contracting the tissues or blood vessels;

hemostatic



According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was used by some tribes in North

America as a styptic.



SUDORIFIC

Causes or increases sweat



According to the U.S.D.A., asthmatica, curassavica, incarnata, and

tuberosa were used to cause or increase sweat.



SUPPURATIVE

According to the U.S.D.A., glaucescens was also used by some tribes in

North America as a suppurative.



THROAT AID

Asclepias verticillata

Navajo

Plant used for nose and throat troubles.

Elmore, Francis H. 1944 Ethnobotany of the Navajo. Sante Fe, NM. School

of American Research



TONIC

Restores or increases body tone, producing or stimulating physical,

mental, or emotional vigor

Asclepias tuberosa

Menominee

Decoction of pounded root taken as a tonic.

Densmore, Francis 1932 Menominee Music. SI-BAE Bulletin #102



TOOTHACHE

Asclepias incarnata

Iroquois

Dried stems made into cord and used for tooth extraction.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



Asclepias involucrata

Navajo, Kayenta

Poultice of heated roots applied for toothaches.

Wyman, Leland C. and Stuart K. Harris 1951 The Ethnobotany of the

Kayenta Navaho. Albuquerque. The University of New Mexico Press



According to the U.S.D.A., albicans was also used by some tribes in

North America.



TUBERCULOSIS

According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was used as a treatment.



URINARY AID

Asclepias perennis

Cherokee

Plant taken for "gravel," "dropsy" and as a laxative.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias quadrifolia

Cherokee

Plant taken for "gravel," "dropsy" and as a laxative.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias syriaca

Cherokee

Plant taken for "gravel," "dropsy" and as a laxative.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias incarnata

Iroquois

Decoction of plants taken for too much or too little urine.

Herrick, James William 1977 Iroquois Medical Botany. State University of

New York, Albany, PhD Thesis



UNSPECIFIED

Asclepias subverticillata

Apache, White Mountain

First buds eaten by children.

Reagan, Albert B. 1929 Plants Used by the White Mountain Apache Indians

of Arizona. Wisconsin Archeologist 8:143-61.



Asclepias syriaca

Dakota

Sprouts used in early spring for food.

Gilmore, Melvin R. 1913 Some Native Nebraska Plants With Their Uses by

the Dakota. Collections of the Nebraska State Historical Society

17:358-70 Asclepias verticillata



Hopi

Leaves and young shoots boiled with meat and eaten.

Fewkes, J. Walter 1896 A Contribution to Ethnobotany. American

Anthropologist 9:14-21



Asclepias syriaca

Iroquois

Poultice of cotton applied to sick parts.

Rousseau, Jacques 1945 Le Folklore Botanique De Caughnawaga.

Contributions de l'Institut botanique l'Universite de Montreal 55:7-72



Asclepias subverticillata

Jemez

Roots and unripe pods eaten raw.

Castetter, Edward F. 1935 Ethnobiological Studies in the American

Southwest I. Uncultivated Native Plants Used as Sources of Food.

University of New Mexico Bulletin 4(1):1-44



Asclepias sp.

Jemez

Immature seeds used for food.

Cook, Sarah Louise 1930 The Ethnobotany of Jemez Indians.. University of

New Mexico, M.A. Thesis



Asclepias cordifolia

Miwok

Root used as a medicine.

Barrett, S. A. and E. W. Gifford 1933 Miwok Material Culture. Bulletin

of the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 2(4):



Asclepias incarnata

Menominee

Heads added to cornmeal mush.

Smith, Huron H. 1923 Ethnobotany of the Menomini Indians. Bulletin of

the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 4:1-174



Asclepias syriaca

Mohegan

Cooked and used for food.

Tantaquidgeon, Gladys 1972 Folk Medicine of the Delaware and Related

Algonkian Indians. Harrisburg. Pennsylvania Historical Commission

Anthropological Papers #3



Asclepias sp.

Navajo

Plant eaten raw or boiled.

Elmore, Francis H. 1944 Ethnobotany of the Navajo. Sante Fe, NM. School

of American Research



Asclepias syriaca

Ojibwa

Young pods cooked with salt and vinegar.

Arnason, Thor, Richard J. Hebda and Timothy Johns 1981 Use of Plants for

Food and Medicine by Native Peoples of Eastern Canada. Canadian Journal

of Botany 59(11):2189-2325



Asclepias syriaca

Potawatomi

Root used for unspecified ailments.

Smith, Huron H. 1933 Ethnobotany of the Forest Potawatomi Indians.

Bulletin of the Public Museum of the City of Milwaukee 7:1-230



Asclepias sp.

Tewa

Roots and immature pods eaten.

Robbins, W.W., J.P. Harrington and B. Freire-Marreco 1916 Ethnobotany of

the Tewa Indians. SI-BAE Bulletin #55



Asclepias involucrata

Zuni

Dry powdered root and saliva used for unspecified illness.

Camazine, Scott and Robert A. Bye 1980 A Study Of The Medical

Ethnobotany Of The Zuni Indians of New Mexico.   Journal of

Ethnopharmacology 2:365-388



Asclepias subverticillata

Zuni

Buds eaten by little boys.

Stevenson, Matilda Coxe 1915 Ethnobotany of the Zuni Indians. SI-BAE

Annual Report #30



VENEREAL AID

Of or relating to the genitals

Asclepias perennis

Cherokee

Infusion of root taken for venereal diseases.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias quadrifolia

Cherokee

Infusion of root taken for venereal diseases.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias syriaca

Cherokee

Infusion of root taken for venereal diseases.

Hamel, Paul B. and Mary U. Chiltoskey 1975 Cherokee Plants and Their

Uses -- A 400 Year History. Sylva, N.C.  Herald Publishing Co.



Asclepias sp.

Natchez

Plant used for syphilis.

Swanton, John R 1928 Religious Beliefs and Medical Practices of the

Creek Indians. SI-BAE Annual Report #42:473-672



Asclepias sp.

Natchez

Plant used for syphilis.

Taylor, Linda Averill 1940 Plants Used As Curatives by Certain

Southeastern Tribes. Cambridge, MA. Botanical Museum of Harvard

University



According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica was also known to be used by some

tribes.



According to the U.S.D.A., curassavica and syriaca were used to treat

gonorrhea.  Asclepias curassavica was also used by some tribes in North

America.



VULNERARY

Is used in healing or treating wounds



According to the U.S.D.A., nivea and syriaca was known to be used by

some Native American tribes in the healing and treatment of wounds.



WART

According to the U.S.D.A., amplexicaulis, curassavica, eriocarpa,

latifolia, and syriaca were known to be used for the treatment of warts.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Otittis

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 15:00:46 GMT

--------

> Dear Chris,

>    You most likely have a blocked eustachian tube which is causing

> middle ear fluid or pressure.  If your ENT gave you and antibiotic he

> may have been hoping to keep the fluid from becoming infected.  The

> chemical in Claritin D which is most helpful is pseudoephedrine which

> is a decongest.



Helpful is an odd choice of adjective. How many cases of ear infection due to

Cold do you think occur in the Spring? It is FAR more likely a case due to

Heat...in which case Hot substances like ephedrine are DIRECTLY

CONTRAINDICATED.



>The nasal spray is anti-inlamatory in that it helps

> reduce the swelling in the tube opening which enters the back of the

> nose.



Yeah, but there are both Cold and Hot decongestants, and though either will

work for the first ten minutes, the one that HEALS is the right one. This is

something that conventional medicine misses ENTIRELY.



>A natural product containg an ephedrine substance would do the

> same thing. Many homeopatheics contain ephedrine.



NO homeopathics contain ephedrine.



Paul





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Otittis

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 15:01:14 GMT

--------

> I've been experiencing a blocked, pressurized sensation in my right ear. It

> will last a day and go away and come back a day or two later.   It's very

> distracting and causes some imbalance and occassional head rushes.  At any

> rate, my Ear, Nose and Throat physician indicated that the condition is an

> inflamed inner ear called Otittis media, or something like that.



Then WHY does it come and go? If it is an inflammation solely in the ear,

then it shouldn't exhibit such periodicity.



>He

> prescribed antibiotics, a nose spray, and Claritin-D, none of which seem to

> have worked.



Why should they? This is like dropping a quarter from the top of the Empire

State Building and expecting it to go in your parking meter. Total guesswork.



>I don't know why he prescirbed antibiotics for a nonbacterial

> inflamation.  Does anyone have any  suggestions as far as herbal or natural

> remedies for alleviating this condition.  The ENT indicated the condition

> might take a month to go away, but  would eventually subside.  Thanks for

> your suggestions.



So what else has been happening over the last month or so?



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Otittis

From: "<Chris Robbins>" <Robbincs@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:15:33 -0500

--------

I've been experiencing a blocked, pressurized sensation in my right ear. It

will last a day and go away and come back a day or two later.   It's very

distracting and causes some imbalance and occassional head rushes.  At any

rate, my Ear, Nose and Throat physician indicated that the condition is an

inflamed inner ear called Otittis media, or something like that.  He

prescribed antibiotics, a nose spray, and Claritin-D, none of which seem to

have worked.  I don't know why he prescirbed antibiotics for a nonbacterial

inflamation.  Does anyone have any  suggestions as far as herbal or natural

remedies for alleviating this condition.  The ENT indicated the condition

might take a month to go away, but  would eventually subside.  Thanks for

your suggestions.



Robbincs@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Otittis

From: Terri <tahannan@EPIX.NET>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 13:57:14 +0000

--------

Dear Chris,

   You most likely have a blocked eustachian tube which is causing

middle ear fluid or pressure.  If your ENT gave you and antibiotic he

may have been hoping to keep the fluid from becoming infected.  The

chemical in Claritin D which is most helpful is pseudoephedrine which

is a decongest.  The nasal spray is anti-inlamatory in that it helps

reduce the swelling in the tube opening which enters the back of the

nose.  A natural product containg an ephedrine substance would do the

same thing. Many homeopatheics contain ephedrine. If you don't want a

chemical nasal spray, saline spray used several times a day may help.

 He is right, it takes time.    Ephedrine is not without side

effects, though.  You should not use with high blood pressure or

mitral valve prolaspe.  The anti-inlamatory spray are fairly benign

for short term usage.  Hope it helps..

     Terri Hannan, Physician assistant in ENT





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Otittis

From: "Robin , LMT" <cmyers@IAMERICA.NET>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 14:25:21 -0600

--------

You wrote:

 > I don't know why he prescirbed antibiotics for a nonbacterial

> inflamation.



Common allopathic shot-gun approach to illness....



> Does anyone have any  suggestions as far as herbal or natural

> remedies for alleviating this condition.



I am sure Paul will step in on this one shortly, but may I recommend

Mullein oil, garlic oil, and/or sweet oil drops?  Also, have you ever

had your ears "candled"?  This process draws out a great deal of good

ole' "junk" from the eustachian tube and surrounding tissues.



Also, tho not herbally related, Cranial Sacral work may also help.  Ask

your local licenced massage therapists concerning this process.

--

"You can learn to fly - but that cocoon has got to go"



Robin Cunningham, LMT, Nutrition Consultant,

Research Herbalist, Bach Flower Practioner

Baton Rouge, La  USA

cmyers@iamerica.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Otittis

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 11:40:33 -0900

--------

At 02:25 PM 3/29/97 -0600, Robin , LMT wrote:

>You wrote:

> > I don't know why he prescirbed antibiotics for a nonbacterial

>> inflamation.

>

>Common allopathic shot-gun approach to illness....

>

>> Does anyone have any  suggestions as far as herbal or natural

>> remedies for alleviating this condition.

>

>I am sure Paul will step in on this one shortly, but may I recommend

>Mullein oil, garlic oil, and/or sweet oil drops?  Also, have you ever

>had your ears "candled"?  This process draws out a great deal of good

>ole' "junk" from the eustachian tube and surrounding tissues.

>

>Also, tho not herbally related, Cranial Sacral work may also help.  Ask

>your local licenced massage therapists concerning this process.

>--

>"You can learn to fly - but that cocoon has got to go"

>

>Robin Cunningham, LMT, Nutrition Consultant,

>Research Herbalist, Bach Flower Practioner

>Baton Rouge, La  USA

>cmyers@iamerica.net

>

>

I concur with this and might add that lack of water intake is a common

cause for this.  You need to drink until you are constantly running to the

toilet to get rid of it.  Also, forget the nasal spray.  They are addictive

and pack the mucous.  Better to take herbs such as peppermint, fennel, and

aromatic type herbs to loosen the phlegm.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Otittis

From: "Robin , LMT" <cmyers@IAMERICA.NET>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 14:52:56 -0600

--------

Anita Hales wrote:

>  Also, forget the nasal spray.  They are addictive

> and pack the mucous.  Better to take herbs such as peppermint, fennel, and

> aromatic type herbs to loosen the phlegm.



Yes.  Also, try a nasal flush of 1tsp sea salt to a cup of H2O.  This

can clear a great deal of sinus stuff, while also affecting the ears.

--

"You can learn to fly - but that cocoon has got to go"



Robin Cunningham, LMT, Nutrition Consultant,

Research Herbalist, Bach Flower Practioner

Baton Rouge, La  USA

cmyers@iamerica.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB: Request List of Books on Tincturing and Other Methods

From: st <jtst@BSL1.BSLNET.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 14:54:18 -0700

--------

RE:  Tincturing and avoiding alcohol



        The question that this generates in my mind is which herbs in

particular tincture best in which solution?  Is there a book that I can get

this from?  I am not too up to date on which chemicals dissolve best in

which solutions.  Any book ideas?



Thanks,



Zehra





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB: Request List of Books on Tincturing and Other Methods

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 20:31:42 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-29 19:48:20 EST, you write:



<< I am not too up to date on which chemicals dissolve best in

 which solutions.  Any book ideas? >>



You can probably find "Chemical Formularies," at any University Library.  I

have copies of them back to the 1930's.  They are absolutely fascinating.  A

friend also gave me a list of herbs and what percent alchohol is needed to

extract the useful substances from each one a few years ago; or if they could

be extracted without alcohol.   I'll see if I can find it around this packed

office-shelves, floors, desks, all packed with books, papers and notebooks.

(Sometimes I wonder why I collect "hardcopy.")

It helps to find out what constituent you want to extract from the herb

first.

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB: Request List of Books on Tincturing and Other Methods

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:32:52 -0900

--------

At 02:54 PM 3/29/97 -0700, st wrote:

>RE:  Tincturing and avoiding alcohol

>

>        The question that this generates in my mind is which herbs in

>particular tincture best in which solution?  Is there a book that I can get

>this from?  I am not too up to date on which chemicals dissolve best in

>which solutions.  Any book ideas?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Zehra

>

>

A good old standby is Potter's Cyclopaedia of Medicinal Herbs.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Grinder for chinese medicine

From: Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 16:59:47 -0500

--------

Dear Everyone;

        Does anyone know where I can purchase a grinder to make the powder

that is often prescribed in chinese medicine? I am looking on behalf of my

Vietnamese doctor. He says that the machine is about 2 X 2 x 1 foot in size

and that it needs to be more heavy duty than a coffee grinder, because

there are pieces of wood that are ground down. Would a flour mill work? Is

there a catalog source for such a thing? Quang says that he has seen one in

Chinatown in Boston, but the storekeeper would not reveal his source.



        Paul?



Thanks for your time

Rondi Lightmark





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Grinder for chinese medicine

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 19:02:46 -0500

--------

For small amounts of herb, an electric coffee/spice-grinder is good.  For

large amounts or woody herbs get a Vitamix, an industrial-strength

blender that can reduce children's blocks to sawdust.  Ask for the

_metal_ container and a plug for the spout (or herb will get trapped

there.)  1-800-VITAMIX  (No commercial interest.)  They often have

reconditioned machines for sale.  I've had mine 6 years and I use it to

grind grain (wheat, popcorn) into flour, process herbs and tinctures, to

juice vegetables and for general cooking.  They offer a 7 year warrantee.

 Just don't wash it in the dishwasher or the nut will rust out- but they

will send you a new assembly.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





On Sat, 29 Mar 1997 16:59:47 -0500 Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

writes:

>Dear Everyone;

>        Does anyone know where I can purchase a grinder to make the

>powder

>that is often prescribed in chinese medicine? I am looking on behalf

>of my

>Vietnamese doctor. He says that the machine is about 2 X 2 x 1 foot in

>size

>and that it needs to be more heavy duty than a coffee grinder, because

>there are pieces of wood that are ground down. Would a flour mill

>work? Is

>there a catalog source for such a thing? Quang says that he has seen

>one in

>Chinatown in Boston, but the storekeeper would not reveal his source.

>

>        Paul?

>

>Thanks for your time

>Rondi Lightmark

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Grinder for chinese medicine

From: Kiley <kiley@PTLD.USWEST.NET>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 16:15:44 -0800

--------

Rondi Lightmark wrote:

>

> Dear Everyone;

>         Does anyone know where I can purchase a grinder to make the powder

> that is often prescribed in chinese medicine? I am looking on behalf of my

> Vietnamese doctor. He says that the machine is about 2 X 2 x 1 foot in size

> and that it needs to be more heavy duty than a coffee grinder, because

> there are pieces of wood that are ground down. Would a flour mill work? Is

> there a catalog source for such a thing? Quang says that he has seen one in

> Chinatown in Boston, but the storekeeper would not reveal his source.

>

>         Paul?

>

> Thanks for your time

> Rondi LightmarkI buy whole grains and flours from Bob's Red Mill Natural Food Inc.,

5209 SE International Way, Milwaukie, OR 97222, phone (503)654-3215.

They sell at least a couple of heavy duty grinders that can be used with

whole grains, and may work for what you want.  They have a catalogue and

do lots of mail order business.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Grinder for chinese medicine

From: Paul Rieselman <z941927@OATS.FARM.NIU.EDU>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:03:31 -0600

--------

> > Rondi LightmarkI buy whole grains and flours from Bob's Red Mill

Natural Food Inc.,

> 5209 SE International Way, Milwaukie, OR 97222, phone (503)654-3215.

> They sell at least a couple of heavy duty grinders that can be used with

> whole grains, and may work for what you want.  They have a catalogue and

> do lots of mail order business.



as well, a VITAMIX would do the trick...I have seen it grind little cedar

blocks into sawdust..as well, it crushes ice, and can turn whole grains

into whole flour...it has 3 speeds so you can modify 'how crushed' the

target item gets grinded...not sure of vitamix's number...anyone??



I've had mine for 5 years now...its great...and can do much more than the

above mentioned...



paul.(2)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Grinder for chinese medicine

From: Rondi Lightmark <greenlit@SOVER.NET>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:18:00 -0500

--------

Thanks Paul, I'll check it out. Have to say I sort of wish that Quang would

still grind the powder for me by hand though. I have to think that good

energy gets in that way. . .





>> > Rondi LightmarkI buy whole grains and flours from Bob's Red Mill

>Natural Food Inc.,

>> 5209 SE International Way, Milwaukie, OR 97222, phone (503)654-3215.

>> They sell at least a couple of heavy duty grinders that can be used with

>> whole grains, and may work for what you want.  They have a catalogue and

>> do lots of mail order business.

>

>as well, a VITAMIX would do the trick...I have seen it grind little cedar

>blocks into sawdust..as well, it crushes ice, and can turn whole grains

>into whole flour...it has 3 speeds so you can modify 'how crushed' the

>target item gets grinded...not sure of vitamix's number...anyone??

>

>I've had mine for 5 years now...its great...and can do much more than the

>above mentioned...

>

>paul.(2)





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Burdock and skin

From: Susien <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 17:02:53 -0500

--------

I have noticed that whenever I use Burdock root internally, especially

in cooking that my skin becomes very healthy and velvety looking. Does

anyone know if this would also work externally and how it would be used?

TIA Susien





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Burdock and skin

From: Naneen Ortiz <naortiz@DTTUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 09:13:50 CST

--------

          What is Burdock Root. Or more properly phrased:

          What is Burdock? TIA.



          Herbal Medicine Newbie,



          Naneen



          "Do, or do not; there is no try."

          --Yoda









______________________________ Reply Separator _________________________________

Subject: Burdock and skin

Author:  Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR> at

Internet-usa

Date:    3/29/97 4:11 PM





I have noticed that whenever I use Burdock root internally, especially

in cooking that my skin becomes very healthy and velvety looking. Does

anyone know if this would also work externally and how it would be used?

TIA Susien





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Rehmannia Glutinosa Cultivation?

From: Chuck Hatcher <chatcher@RAMLINK.NET>

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 18:36:06 -0500

--------

Anyone have any experience cultivating Rehmannia Glutinosa?

Information I have says it grows in northern China.  I am in

Kentucky.



Is there a North American source for seeds or plants?



Thanks,

Chuck Hatcher





==========

To: paracelsus@teleport.com

To: herb@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Oriental Medicine Continuing Ed Courses in N.Y.

From: qihai@ix.netcom.com (Alan Bennett)

Date: Sat, 29 Mar 1997 18:51:52 -0600 (CST)

--------

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Essiac

From: Paul Iannone <p_iannone@LAMG.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 09:16:55 GMT

--------

> My dad just recently found out about an herbal tea that suppossedly cures

> cancer.  This is called Essiac.  He has been taking it, though he has no

form

> of cancer, and though I think this is great, I am a little skeptical and

> wonder if there could be any side effects or reasons why he should not be

> taking it.  Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

> Jess



Do you really think your dad should be taking laxatives on a regular basis?

It is as simple as that.



Paul





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Essiac

From: "Jessica J. Howell" <Jessjean@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 11:27:11 -0500

--------

My dad just recently found out about an herbal tea that suppossedly cures

cancer.  This is called Essiac.  He has been taking it, though he has no form

of cancer, and though I think this is great, I am a little skeptical and

wonder if there could be any side effects or reasons why he should not be

taking it.  Any information on this would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks.

Jess





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Essiac

From: "Loretta J. Thomas" <LThomas701@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:45:35 -0500

--------

This tea mainly consists or four different herbs:  Burdock root, sheep

sorrel, turkish rhubarb root and slippery elm bark.  Check out these herbs

individually and see if there is any reactions for him.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hypericum and depressino

From: suleyman <SAYDIN@VM.BAUM.ANADOLU.EDU.TR>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 12:33:58 UTC

--------

First of all excuses for the 'subject' typing.. its not correct

but understandable at least..



I want to give an info.

I learned a site established for hypericum (St.Johns wort).

It is: //www.hypericum.com



I dont know much about the inside contents yet. A friend told me she

read some scientific abstracts and related information at this www site.

Due to links and time problems, I didnt peeked into it yet.

This mail is written just for information. (Since I worked with Hypericum

I am interested in it and wished to share the info with the list)



Yours Friendly



Suleyman





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Juniper

From: "Jessica J. Howell" <Jessjean@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 11:27:10 -0500

--------

Does anyone have any information on Juniper?  I know its suppossed to help

colds and relieve insomnia.  Does it make you drowsy?  And what are you

suppossed to do with it?  Does the smell help or are you suppossed to boil

and drink it?  Just wondering if anyone has any info.  Thanks!

Jess





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Juniper

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:32:57 -0900

--------

At 11:27 AM 3/30/97 -0500, Jessica J. Howell wrote:

>Does anyone have any information on Juniper?  I know its suppossed to help

>colds and relieve insomnia.  Does it make you drowsy?  And what are you

>suppossed to do with it?  Does the smell help or are you suppossed to boil

>and drink it?  Just wondering if anyone has any info.  Thanks!

>Jess

>

>

There are several plants called "Juniper".  Here's where latin names come

in handy.  Juniperis communis is probably the most widely used in herbal

medicine. The berries are used as a urinary antiseptic, diuretic,

carminative, and digestive tonic.  It is also used as a uterine stimulant

and anti-rheumatic.  The essential oil is also used as well as Cade oil

(for psoriasis of the scalp).





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ADD

From: John Foster <j2030@MSN.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 20:02:24 UT

--------

I have been looking around on the net on stuff about ADD.It seems alot of

people are looking at colloidal minerals, enzymes and Ginkgo. I don't think

this ADD thing is something you can find one problem for, I think it is

probably a product of our society to a large degree {that's my humble

opinion},but It seems to me with all the hype about colloidal

minerals,couldn't you take a herb that is high in minerals, infuse it or maybe

better yet tincture it since alcohol since that is a medium that is absorbed

directly through the stomach lining. When you tincture the herb you have

colloidal minerals don't you since they are suspended.The things people are

saying they are having succes with so called naturally seems to link it to a

malabsorption problem. {Again my humble opionion}  Just a thought.      Thanks

  John        J2030@msn.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ADD

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:32:59 -0900

--------

At 08:02 PM 3/30/97 UT, John Foster wrote:

>I have been looking around on the net on stuff about ADD.It seems alot of

>people are looking at colloidal minerals, enzymes and Ginkgo. I don't think

>this ADD thing is something you can find one problem for, I think it is

>probably a product of our society to a large degree {that's my humble

>opinion},but It seems to me with all the hype about colloidal

>minerals,couldn't you take a herb that is high in minerals, infuse it or

maybe

>better yet tincture it since alcohol since that is a medium that is absorbed

>directly through the stomach lining. When you tincture the herb you have

>colloidal minerals don't you since they are suspended.The things people are

>saying they are having succes with so called naturally seems to link it to a

>malabsorption problem. {Again my humble opionion}  Just a thought.

Thanks

>  John        J2030@msn.com

>

>

I just recently spoke to my friend who is a homeopathic Dr.  She told me

that there is some indication that parasites can contribute to ADD

symptoms.  Ridding the patient of parasites has eliminated ADD in some

cases.  Interesting.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Otittis continued

From: "<Chris Robbins>" <Robbincs@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 15:50:20 -0500

--------

Paul,



You asked what else has been going on for the last month.  Do you mean

symptomatically or in general?  As regards the former, I've also felt tired,

spacy and lethargic, although exercising seems to pick me back up again.

 Concerning the latter, I've been perhaps a little more stressed out than

usual, owing to a break-up with a girlfriend.  I appreciate your input.

 Chris





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ulcer in mouth

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 19:58:56 -0500

--------

I have an ulcer under my top lip near my canine(fang)tooth.It is very

painful..what causes this and what remedy do you suggest?



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcer in mouth

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 21:30:33 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-30 19:47:20 EST, you write:



<< From:        lisas@MINDSPRING.COM (Lisa Saul)

I have an ulcer under my top lip near my canine(fang)tooth.It is very

 painful..what causes this and what remedy do you suggest?

  Lisa >>





I dab a tiny bit of peppermint or tea tree oil to kill the pain if very

intense.  You can also  make a strong tea of red raspberry leaf and swish and

hold in mouth to speed up the healing and take out more of the pain.  Do I

hear Paul saying, stop abusing fruit and fruit juices, don't drink caffeine,

and don't overdue sweets or eat them within one hour of eating other foods?

 A small break in the skin that stays irritated can occasionally develop into

this under the right conditions, but if it happens frequently, you will have

to examine what else is going on in your body.  Of course, a natural

toothpaste would help, too.

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcer in mouth

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 18:33:01 -0900

--------

At 07:58 PM 3/30/97 -0500, Lisa Saul wrote:

>I have an ulcer under my top lip near my canine(fang)tooth.It is very

>painful..what causes this and what remedy do you suggest?

>

>Lisa

>Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

>http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html

>

>

Sounds like a canker.  They are generally caused by a herpes virus and can

be hot and inflammed.  They can spread and are contagious. I have found

that putting liquorice root powder on the canker reduces the inflammation

and helps it heal.  Sometimes eating walnuts or citrus can bring out a

canker for some reason.  Other remedies recommended are L-lysine and

diaphoretics such as yarrow, and boneset.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcer in mouth

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:00:29 -0600

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Old Family Remedy: Mom would have us put a regular ordinary asprin tablet

on top of the sore (yes, inside your mouth, usually between the cheek

where the sore was and the jaw) and leave it there for awhile.  Usually the

tablet partly dissolved and tasted kinda sour but not terrible.  We usually

took the tablet out after 5 minutes or so, wellbefore it completely

dissolved.  It dosen't make things any more sore than they already are,

and it helps the sore go away (we think).

Perhaps some kind of white willow poultice might achieve the same thing.

Also look into your stress level and nutrition.  My mom always made us take

B supplements when we got cankers, in addition to the asprin trick. Let

me repeat: none of this should hurt.  If the asprin trick hurts, stop

doing it.  You may even wish to wait for awhile and let the professionals

comment on the wisdom of this tactic.



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcer in mouth

From: Linda Boucher <Linda79334@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 22:51:11 -0500

--------

The treatment of any ulcer depends on the cause. If this is a recent ulcer in

the mouth and you have had it for a very short time, it is most likely to be

a canker sore - caused by a virus which may (or may not) recur many times

during your life. They tend to disappear after 5 to 7 days. I have heard that

various herbal remedies may provide relief to this type of ulcer - none have

ever worked for me, however.



The Herpes-type cold sore is not the same as a canker sore. It can last up to

10 days and initially appears as a fluid-filled blister. It is contagious, so

you might want to learn more about how you can prevent the spread of this

infection. If you think you might have a Herpes-type cold sore, there is an

effective antiviral agent, so you might want to see a doctor. I am not aware

of any herbal remedy which is effective in preventing the spread of this

virus.



In any case, if you have had an ulcer in your mouth for a prolonged period

(say more than a couple of weeks), you need to see a doctor. The son of a

neighbor had similar symptoms for about 5 weeks and his ulcer turned out to

be cancer - he is only 18 years old and had smoked for about 6 months. He,

fortunately, was treated with surgery (minimal because it was caught so

early). Cancerous mouth ulcers are supposed to be painless - but his wasn't.



Best wishes.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ulcer in mouth

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 30 Mar 1997 23:20:14 -0500

--------

In a message dated 97-03-30 22:31:34 EST, you write:



<<

 Sounds like a canker.  They are generally caused by a herpes virus and can

 be hot and inflammed.  They can spread and are contagious. I have found

 that putting liquorice root powder on the canker reduces the inflammation

 and helps it heal.  Sometimes eating walnuts or citrus can bring out a

 canker for some reason.  Other remedies recommended are L-lysine and

 diaphoretics such as yarrow, and boneset.





 --- >>



Anita,



I knew that cold sores (outside of mouth) were from the herpes virus, but did

not think that canker sores (inside mouth) were. Am I wrong? It seems that

whenever I have canker sores, I can eliminate and prevent them by taking

Vitamin B Complex. If they are a herpes virus, I suppose the Llysine should

be more effective?



The licorice root is very helpful. Also if the canker is in a very sensitive

spot that causes a great deal of pain when eating, talking or moving your

tongue, there is a drug store item (horrors! =;o) that is very helpful called

Orobase. Years ago they had one that had a numbing agent in it as well. It is

the only substance I have seen that will effectively cover and stick to a wet

open sore in the mouth thereby affording some pain relief.



Thanks for sharing your knowledge.



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Using St. John's Wort for depression

From: Cheryl <feathers@ESKIMO.COM>

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 12:17:51 -0080

--------

> From:    "--   Bridget A. Croft" <BCroft3363@AOL.COM>

> Subject: Re: Depression/Paxil

>

> I've been taking Paxil (a prozac cousin) since may96, it is almost time for

> me to stop...life is more manageable now....but...I would like to take St.

> John's Wort while weening off the Paxil, does anyone have any experience with

> doing this?? Is it safe?



Hi Bridget.  I've been using St. John's Wort with great success for

depression; I can't say enough about how well it's worked to allow me to

feel like my old self again!  But I think it could be dangerous to use SJW

while using any amount of another prescription antidepressant.



I've exchanged e-mail with several people about SJW.  In case it's

helpful, here's one of the exchanges (with names stripped) I had about a

month ago with someone, answering some questions she asked.  Since the SJW

has been at therapeutic levels for longer now, I feel even better than I

did when I answered her questions.  I can't say that I am still experiencing any

meaningful level of clinical depression these days.   I mentioned a brand name

of a kind of SJW I bought, but that's just because she wanted to know what I

used, and this was the kind that was on a good sale at the time! :-)  I have no

commercial interest (and will happily buy another brand if it's a good one

and priced as reasonably).



And the exchange:

..................................................................

Hi BK!



On Mon, 3 Mar 1997,  BK wrote:



> I read your post re St. John's Wort on dejanews.  I am considering using

> this remedy for atypical depression.  If you have time, maybe you could

> send me some answers to questions I have...



I would be glad to, sure!



> How long did you have to use it and what dosage did you take each time?



Like most other ADs (antidepressants), St. John's Wort is supposed to be

taken for at least six weeks before the full therapeutic levels are

reached in our bodies.  I'm at about five and a half weeks now, and I

started feeling a definite lifting of depression at about three or three

and a half weeks -- maybe it was even two and a half weeks, I can't

remember for sure.  It was really a surprise, this sudden feeling of well

being and a lifting of depression -- it was being *normal* again!  I've

continued to feel less and less depressed as I continue to take it and now

I'm finding myself able to do things I haven't done in years.



For dosage, the recommended dosage is 300 mg three times a day, so that

you get 900 mg a day.  Luckily, St. John's Wort is more "flexible" re:

dosage than most prescription ADs, so you don't have to be exact as long

as you get around 900 mg a day.  I bought two forms of St. John's Wort:



1. a bottle of capsules from Nature's Way, which contained 100 capsules of

375 mg extract each.  Nature's Way is a good brand for herbal medicines if

you're buying the commercial preparations -- some brands are good, others

are kinda crappy, so it helps if you know something about herbal medicine

or can talk to someone who does who has some familiarity with some of the

brands out there if you're not making your own.



2. a 2 oz. eyedropper bottle of tincture (alcohol extract) of St. John's

Wort also from Nature's Way.  The potency on it is listed at 250 mg dry

herb; 1 ml liquid extract.



I started out taking a combination of the pills and tincture; I took two

pills a day, and then enough tincture for the third dose so that it

equalled 900 mg.  But after a few days I got tired of that and just

started taking three pills a day, so my daily dosage equalled 1125 mg

instead of 900 mg.  It's not a significant enough increase to matter, and

I just found that I was remembering to take the pills better than I was

remembering the tincture, and of course the pills you just swallow, they

don't taste funny. :)  I read the information on the website

www.hypericum.com, and together with other stuff I'd read about SJW, I

knew that varying the dosage up a ways wasn't going to hurt at all.



> Do you find a reduction in anxiety (if you had any associated with your

> depression)?  I can understand about - well I'd like to do such and such but I

> really can't even consider the effort to do it...some days I can't even be

> bothered to get out of bed and get ready to go out, its just too much effort.



Yes, yes, and absolutely yes!  This has been the worst part of depression

for me, and the part where it's hit me the hardest.  The lack of energy,

the inability to do even simple things because it's just too hard, the

isolation because going out seems like a Really Big Deal even though

before depression I was an extremely social person.  I swear, if I didn't

feel pretty good I'd almost cry telling you how it's been feeling being

able to do things again.



Before I was depressed I was busy and happy and I did a lot of stuff with

people.  When I got depressed, I stopped seeing friends, I stopped doing

most outside activities, and I started feeling like it was really hard to

have to go out and face people sometimes.  I know better in my head, but

emotionally I've felt like I would stick out somehow and be noticeable if

I went out, like I didn't want to have to be around all the people if I go

out, stuff like that.  Before I got depressed, going out and running to

the bank and doing some shopping was no big deal.  After I got depressed,

it became An Event.  I would try to arrange it so that most of the time

when I needed to shop and stuff, my best friend would go with me, if

was easier that way.



Now, the anxiety about going out has mostly disappeared.  I'm not really

sure I can say I have *any* anxiety about it left; when I ask myself and

think about going out, I don't feel any any more.  But it's been so long

since I felt this way that I almost have to pinch myself and so I say

"mostly" disappeared just to hedge my bets.  But it really does seem to be

gone.  I have been running around going places and doing things I haven't

done in years.  Besides not being too anxious to do stuff, I can really

*enjoy* stuff again.



Another thing that was really hard was feeling so exhausted and having no

energy most of the time.  I've been feeling overwhelmed by even small

things for a long time, and my life got very "small."  I went from keeping

a clean and neat house to things getting pretty messy around here.  I had

to make a priority of feeding my dogs, cats, and birds, just to make sure

everyone stayed alive.  The other house and yard work often didn't get

done; I simply couldn't do it.  Sometimes if I'd drop something on the

floor or spill something, it seemed overwhelming to have to clean it up.

I wouldn't.  It would just stay on the floor there.



Now, my gawd, I feel normal again.  I have energy.  I'm not overwhelmed.

I'm not sleeping or laying around most of the time.  And now I can do

something that I haven't been able to do with confidence for the past few

years -- I can make plans to do things, whereas before I really couldn't.

I couldn't really plan what I was going to do because I didn't know if I'd

have enough energy, or if I'd be well enough, or if I could make myself go

out or not.  I still almost have to pinch myself, but as each day goes by

and I wake up and I still am feeling better, and the feeling keeps lasting

all day long, and then it's the same the next day, well yee-haw!  I am

starting to trust and realize that these meds really truly ARE working and

I have a real life back again!



I know it's the St. John's Wort, too, because nothing else has changed,

and I can really feel a definite physical difference in my well being.

My mother is a psychotherapist and I was telling her about it, and she

confirms that's the way ADs are supposed to work.



> Do you find its still helping you (if you are still taking it)?



Oh yes!  Most definitely!  I will continue to take it for at least a few

months.  Most ADs work best after you've taken them for 6 weeks to 2

months, and I haven't even gotten to that point yet.  At some point I may

decide to go off them after a few months to see if my chemistry has

corrected itself, but I feel so much better now, I can't imagine giving

this up.



> Have you experienced any side effects?



The only side effects I've experienced was at the very beginning.  For the

first several days that I took it, I felt sleepy and drowsy.  I knew that

was the main side effect and that it happened at the beginning, so I kept

taking it anyway and after several days it went away and it hasn't ever

come back again.  During the first few days even though I knew that this

was the common side effect, I was thinking, jeez, this stuff knocks me

out, I can't keep taking this stuff if it's going to make me so sleepy all

the time.  Then it just stopped doing that, and as I continued to take it

not only did I feel no drowsiness, but I found myself able to concentrate

on things again.  I was more alert and the depression wasn't clouding my

ability to focus on heavy reading or other things that had been impaired

by the depression.



The only other side effect St. John's Wort is associated with is

heightened photosensitivity.  There is some debate about this, and the

research so far doesn't seem to support that this is an actual significant

side effect.  It seems to be more anecdotal.  I haven't noticed it at all

myself, and I have very fair skin and burn easily.  But then, it's winter,

so we'll see what happens when the sun gets hotter.  We've had many sunny

days here (weird winter we're having!) and it hasn't done a thing to me

yet...crossing fingers.



The best thing to do would be go to go www.hypericum.com and read the

information there.  It's good and backed up with actual studies so you get

an accurate picture of the data.



I don't have health insurance, so finding a non-prescription

anti-depressant that I didn't have to pay beaucoup bucks to a doctor for

was pretty important for me.  I dragged my feet and thought about trying

SJW for months before I actually did it.  I don't know how it'll work for

others, but it's worked better for me than I would have thought possible.

I don't know if it would work for you, but if it could work for you as

it's worked for me, I would be so happy for you.  I know I've gone on and

on about this; I'm just so grateful to have found this thing that is

making such a significant change for the better in my life.



Good luck with your research!  Whether it's St. John's Wort or something

else, I hope you find the right med that works for you.  It's really

encouraging that meds help us 80% of the time -- those are pretty decent

odds, and there are so many different meds out there, the chances are

pretty good!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Chinese texts

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 10:47:22 -0500

--------

Paul Iaonne-



Perhaps you have gone over this before I joined the list, but what books

would you consider definitive for the work you are doing that involves herbs?

Also, would you mind giving your opinion of the translation I have on The

Yellow Emperor's Classic of Medicine (Neijing suwen), by Maoshing NI, Ph.D.

(1995), and how much of the material you consider still relevent?



Thank you,

T.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Alwyas cold-what to do?

From: Susien Custer <smcuster@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:22:14 -0500

--------

I have a friend who is always cold. She is 45 years old, does not drink

alcohol, caffeine, or smoke or party. She does not eat enough. She eats

a bagel or muffin for breakfast then no food until dinner. She eats

little meat, no fruit, and rarely eats sweets. She does eat lots of

vegetables and some pasta, and sometimes rice. She works long days and

then goes home to care for her family. She is thin, but muscular,

working out several times a week in her home gym. Besides appearance

being very important to her, she says that she must exercise heavily or

do something intensly physical, and that it brings her release. Although

she is rarely sick, she has a low body temperature and does not deal

well with cold weather. The hotter the better. If I can get her to

change her diet and try to rest, relax, would this be enough? Is

Peppermint tea good for her too?



The physical appearance of all body, home etc. is important to her, even

moreso than having alot of things. Is this from a stomach imbalance as

well? Paul, I believe you said before that either the digestion or the

stomach, and our share of the goods in life are related. Sorry I can't

find your exact words.



Thank you, Susien





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Alwyas cold-what to do?

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 13:46:59 -0600

--------

People with exceptionally low body fat have less insulation.  They will

feel colder than the rest of the people in the room because they are

losing heat faster.  A trained athlete will have a lower heart rate than

average also.  She may not have a problem.

But if her body fat is too low, that will effect her health negatively.

If she is eating too little: too few calories for her energy needs

overall, she may be suffering from a low metabolism.  You make fat with

calories only after you have subtracted what you use for heat, power and

repairs.  If you don't consume enough calories to pay for heat,power, and

repairs you take extra calories out of storage.  If you don't have any

calories in storage, your body has to decide where to cut corners.  If

your body ends up in a deficit with no reserves it will start shutting

things down to save calories.  If your body doesn't have the calories to

make repairs you can end up in serious serious trouble.  If she's in a

caloric worst-case scenario the last thing she needs is something that

will force her body to turn up the thermostat. That would just cause her

body to short change her in other ways.  Eating lunch-even just a cup of

plain brown rice-might be a step in the right direction.  Once she has

balanced her activity with her fuel intake then she could start working

on ways to turn up her thermostat (metabolism).  Cayenne is one option,

but I'm sure there are more out there.



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu



On Mon, 31 Mar 1997, Susien Custer wrote:



> I have a friend who is always cold. She is 45 years old, does not drink

> alcohol, caffeine, or smoke or party. She does not eat enough. She eats

> a bagel or muffin for breakfast then no food until dinner. She eats

> little meat, no fruit, and rarely eats sweets. She does eat lots of

> vegetables and some pasta, and sometimes rice. She works long days and

> then goes home to care for her family. She is thin, but muscular,

> working out several times a week in her home gym. Besides appearance

> being very important to her, she says that she must exercise heavily or

> do something intensly physical, and that it brings her release. Although

> she is rarely sick, she has a low body temperature and does not deal

> well with cold weather. The hotter the better. If I can get her to

> change her diet and try to rest, relax, would this be enough? Is

> Peppermint tea good for her too?

>

> The physical appearance of all body, home etc. is important to her, even

> moreso than having alot of things. Is this from a stomach imbalance as

> well? Paul, I believe you said before that either the digestion or the

> stomach, and our share of the goods in life are related. Sorry I can't

> find your exact words.

>

> Thank you, Susien

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Alwyas cold-what to do?

From: Linda Boucher <Linda79334@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 15:26:06 -0500

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A few thoughts...



Consider Hashimoto's throiditis. Very common in women her age. There is no

herbal remedy for this autoimmune disorder. Easily diagnosed with a simple

blood test.  Treated by taking a thyroid hormone pill every day. Very sneaky

disease - you can have it for a long time without realizing it.



Also possible is anemia - also diagnosed by a simple blood test. Treatment

depends on the type of anemia (there are several types).



Best wishes.



