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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: was  allergies - now standardized

From: "Dr.Zhan H.Zhang,MD.,Ph.D." <acup@PUBLIC.BTA.NET.CN>

Date: Sun, 17 Sep 1995 19:49:19 +0800

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greeting from China Beijing

I'm new here, Are there any Classical herbal medicine doctors here?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: was  allergies - now standardized

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 02:22:12 -0400

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In a message dated 97-09-16 11:41:40 EDT, Linda Shipley wrote:



<< Jessy,

 ............ I would say ginseng would need to be bought in the standardized

dose.

 Be sure the word "standardized" is on the bottle.  This applies to

 St. Johnswort anyway. >>



Because of the little loving flames that come my way from time to time when I

cross the line someone else has drawn, I try desperately to avoid sending

them - even in a loving way - out to anyone - so please Linda do not take

this as one - BUT I must strongly object to the advice you have given here -

 The purist in me cringes every time I read the word 'standardized"



The God (multifaceted and non-denominational spirit that created this

universe, whoever she or he is to each of you) that created all of what it is

we use to cure our infirmities and fix what the "modern" medicine man in a

white coat has broken, did NOT present us with these gifts in a standardized

form - and any attempt to go that way is messing with the natural order of

the universe!!!!!



Because we have all become so acclimated to the way things are done in this

MTV - an image a second - sound bite - spin doctor - advertising heaven,

world,  and so accepting of "technological advances"  that "make our lives

better" we have signed on, like lemmings running for the cliffs of Dover, to

the absolute fallicy that the standardized herbal product JUST MUST BE so

much better than the raw product given to us in our fields and woods.



Please, please, please, think about this - ponder it - and ask yourself if

the CEOs and good chemists at all of the companies that make up this 8

billion a year and growing industry, really give a tinker's damn about your

health or well being.  They are looking for your BUCKS and they are spending

millions and millions to get you to "buy in", through the ad campaigns, to

the concept that what they have done to "improve on" what an omnipotent being

chose to give us to heal ourselves is better for us.



Do not make that mistake - it is not the way it is in the natural order of

things  - it is, by its very nature, adulterated goods.  And it is what they

are doing to get the herbal industry - as they see it - to become another

profit center.



The resurgance in herbal and alternative medicine is  emerging because there

are so many problems with "conventional medicines"  and over 150,000 people

each year are killed in the US alone by inappropriate prescriptions and drug

interactions.  People want to know they are safe and want to get back to a

"natural" form of medicine.  The only way to corner this emerging market and

make it add to the bottom line, is to have the closest thing to a medicine

that you can and stil call it an herb.

In nature, in all of the wild and cultivated plants we revere as healers,

there are cycles of potency and effective or active constituents - saponins -

glyosides etc.  These, quite remarkably, vary from bio-region to bio-region ,

and from year to year and even more remarkably, if you study the cycles and

what is being produced by nature, you can effectively predict health patterns

in populations across the globe.



We get more of what we are going to need 6 - 12 - 18 months before we need it

- produced naturally by mother nature.  This is not idle speculation - it is

the wisdom and knowledge that has been passed on by healers and sachems,

wizards and medicine men and women for over 2000 years.



In herbal medicine MORE IS NOT BETTER - often less is - and "standard" is

definitely not.  When the herbs are "standardized" the "active constituent"

is extracted with sophisticated chemical processing equipment and chemicals,

and added to herbs in their natural state.  The extraction process used

seldom takes all of the pant's 10 -20-100  constituent parts and essences -

 "after all", they say- what makes the SJW or whatever work is the hypericins

 or this or that"  - "so all we need to add is that part"  is the attitude of

the same people that bring you prozak, xantac, and the thousands of other

offerings that fill 2998 pages in the Physicians Desk Reference  for

medicines-  (no commercial interest)



What makes a plant work - in reality,  is ALL of the parts - not just what

the chemist thinks he or she should extract  - ALL of them - but that is

impossible - unless of course you are God himself.  To take at face value the

claims that someone has done a better job of recreating what nature started

with is foolish and dangerous.  Please use the wonderful gifts that we have

been given - but please please - use them as they were given to us.  They

will heal you -

Peter - with no apology for the length - or the passion





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: was  allergies - now standardized

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:07:35 -0400

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In a message dated 97-09-17 05:51:08 EDT, NEHrbSup@AOL.COM writes:



<<  Please use the wonderful gifts that we have

 been given - but please please - use them as they were given to us.  They

 will heal you -

 Peter - with no apology for the length - or the passion >>



Peter, I can appreciate your passion, but I'd like to add another word here.

I have spoken up on this list before on behalf of moderation and tolerance

for all forms of healing. I think there are appropriate uses for herbal

medicines (natural), herbal medicines (standardized), TCM, acupuncture, many

other healing methods, and Western-style medicine and pharmaceuticals. As

many wise voices on this list often say, one must know one's patient and one

must know the illness and its cause before issuing a recommendation. Some

methods are more appropriate than others in a given circumstance. To

blanketly condemn one school of thought does not serve anyone's best

interest. Let's use the list to discuss the uses of plants in medicine, not

to cast aspersions on other schools of medical training. Please?



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: was  allergies - now standardized

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 18:57:32 GMT

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>Peter, I can appreciate your passion, but I'd like to add another word here.

>I have spoken up on this list before on behalf of moderation and tolerance

>for all forms of healing. I think there are appropriate uses for herbal

(snip)



'strue, though, that 'standardized' doesn't do much, if we talk about herbs.

To me it's just the next fad, and I hope it's leaving soon.



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: A herbs kit.

From: Ivan Cejas <IvanACAD@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:48:50 -0400

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My wife gave me a small kit of herb seeds with small pots on which to start

them. I'm new to herbs (Don't know what most of them look like but my wife

likes using them a lot on the kitchen) The kit came with some instructions

but I don't know were they ended at. Anyways; if some of you could give me

tips on how to grow, care, and what to expect of the following herbs, I would

appritiate it very much.



I Thank you all.



The herbs are.

Thyme, Parsley Bravour, Sage, Dill, Sweet Basil, & Chives.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: finding a doctor: Amino Acids lists

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 10:38:09 -0700

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At 09:27 AM 8/31/97 +0000, you wrote:

>I know this is a bit off topic. Does anyone know of a list for amino

>acid therpy and therpists. I am vary interested in this subject even

>though I live in canada. In canada we can't get a lot of amino acids

>but it is a subject that I am vary interested in. Thanks in advance.

>Rhyan Birch

>Edmonton.Alberta.Canada

>Rhyan@ican.net

>

For guides to lists. Try;



http://www.liszt.com

http://tile.net

http://www.l-soft.com     (that's a lower case L, not a numeral one)

http://www.reference.com



There are others, but those come to mind.



HTH



Sam

HerbInfo Listowner

sbrooks@earthlink.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: interstitial cystitus & fibromyalgia

From: "'Barbara Birkinbine'" <Thegarrys@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 14:33:24 -0400

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Anita,

Thank you for the information on herbal treatments for IC and fibromyalgia.

 I have passed this along to the lady who asked me about them.



 Believe it or not, yesterday another young woman approached me and told me

she was recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia after ruling out MS.  She is

taking alfalfa as prescribed by a certified massage therapist.  This seems

too coincidental to me.   Could this be a regional thing?  I am located in

south central Wisc.  What's the story on this disease?  Both of these

individuals seemed anxious to get help and relief.  Is Western medicine

unable to effecively treat the disease and manage pain for these patients?



Thanks again,

Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

Thegarrys@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: interstitial cystitus & fibromyalgia

From: Rafael Melendez <graftonnd@ECLIPSE.NET>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 20:10:35 -0700

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Find out if she is a heavy diet soda drinker. Aspartame tends to mimic the

symptoms of these diseases because of its release of methanol in the

bloodstream. It is epidemic.



Grafton



'Barbara Birkinbine' wrote:



> Anita,

> Thank you for the information on herbal treatments for IC and fibromyalgia.

>  I have passed this along to the lady who asked me about them.

>

>  Believe it or not, yesterday another young woman approached me and told me

> she was recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia after ruling out MS.  She is

> taking alfalfa as prescribed by a certified massage therapist.  This seems

> too coincidental to me.   Could this be a regional thing?  I am located in

> south central Wisc.  What's the story on this disease?  Both of these

> individuals seemed anxious to get help and relief.  Is Western medicine

> unable to effecively treat the disease and manage pain for these patients?

>

> Thanks again,

> Barb Birkinbine

> Oak Camp Co

> Thegarrys@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: interstitial cystitus & fibromyalgia

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 12:55:32 -0400

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I have Fibromyalgia too.  And yes, western medicine does not know how to

treat it.  I was on so many different drugs at one time I thought I'd be

better off dead.  (Fibromyalgia breeds depression as well as all the other

aches, pains and rashes.)  Getting a good night's sleep is one of the most

important things you can do.  You need REM sleep.  Without it the fibro

patient will be continually miserable.  I use Valerian root or Hyland's Calms

Forte (no commercial interest) with melatonin for keeping me asleep.  Sleep

doesn't make the pain go away but it will lessen considerably.  Some folks

say physical therapy helps.  (I haven't tried it.)  I have my own excercises

I do.  They are mostly stretching and mobility excercises.  Walking is

excellent.  Running will put you back into bed.  Keep moving is what you need

to do.  Just like arthritus in that respect.  It's weird how the fibro works.

 I can't hold a 60 lb weight for even a minute without terrific pain shooting

up my arm but, I can pick up my 65 pound dog and put him on an examining

table!  Anyway I've probably gone on far too long.  Good luck.



Gail in Maryland, USA

beynong@aol.com

http://members.aol.com

Zone 7





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: interstitial cystitus & fibromyalgia

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:17:12 -0400

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Gail P Beynon. wrote:

>

> I have Fibromyalgia too.  And yes, western medicine does not know how to

> treat it.



Have you guys ever tryed those magnet matresses? OK, not an herb, but

I know a few chiropractors who are "curing" fibromyalgia with

them. I know I won't give mine up!

Now don't let me start a threat on magnets, lets get back to herbs...

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: interstitial cystitus & fibromyalgia

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:02:07 -0800

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At 02:33 PM 9/1/97 -0400, 'Barbara Birkinbine' wrote:

>Anita,

>Thank you for the information on herbal treatments for IC and fibromyalgia.

> I have passed this along to the lady who asked me about them.

>

> Believe it or not, yesterday another young woman approached me and told me

>she was recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia after ruling out MS.  She is

>taking alfalfa as prescribed by a certified massage therapist.  This seems

>too coincidental to me.   Could this be a regional thing?  I am located in

>south central Wisc.  What's the story on this disease?  Both of these

>individuals seemed anxious to get help and relief.  Is Western medicine

>unable to effecively treat the disease and manage pain for these patients?

>

>Thanks again,

>Barb Birkinbine

>Oak Camp Co

>Thegarrys@aol.com

>

>

This is most absolutely a systemic problem.  As to regional, yes, it could

be.  I live in an area with a high incidence of MS.  No one knows why.  I'm

wondering about lead.  There are deposits of lead on our island and may be

in the water system or air.  Lifestyles my contribute as well.

Alternative medicine holds great hope for these types of illnesses.

Western medicine is great at a confrontational approach to healing but

lousy at systemic aid.  If there's a germ, they can kill it (most of the

time).  But to build the body to help itself, western medicine is

deplorably ignorant.

Both of these things are handily treated by both homeopathy and Chinese

medicine with acupuncture.  I've seen MS arrested using homeopathy and

electro-acupressure.  The idea is to get to it before too much damage has

been done.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

"...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

and water humours."

William Cole, 1656

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: interstitial cystitus & fibromyalgia

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:43:25 -0800

--------

At 12:55 PM 9/2/97 -0400, Gail P Beynon. wrote:

>I have Fibromyalgia too.  And yes, western medicine does not know how to

>treat it.  I was on so many different drugs at one time I thought I'd be

>better off dead.  (Fibromyalgia breeds depression as well as all the other

>aches, pains and rashes.)  Getting a good night's sleep is one of the most

>important things you can do.  You need REM sleep.  Without it the fibro

>patient will be continually miserable.  I use Valerian root or Hyland's Calms

>Forte (no commercial interest) with melatonin for keeping me asleep.  Sleep

>doesn't make the pain go away but it will lessen considerably.  Some folks

>say physical therapy helps.  (I haven't tried it.)  I have my own excercises

>I do.  They are mostly stretching and mobility excercises.  Walking is

>excellent.  Running will put you back into bed.  Keep moving is what you need

>to do.  Just like arthritus in that respect.  It's weird how the fibro works.

> I can't hold a 60 lb weight for even a minute without terrific pain shooting

>up my arm but, I can pick up my 65 pound dog and put him on an examining

>table!  Anyway I've probably gone on far too long.  Good luck.

>

>Gail in Maryland, USA

>beynong@aol.com

>http://members.aol.com

>Zone 7

>

>

This truly sounds like a job for acupuncture and some Chinese herbs to help

"stuck blood".  I'd check on this if I were you.  What an interesting (but

troubling) disease.  Have you tried using stimulants like capsicum, prickly

ash, etc?  I wonder what effect these would have on this affliction.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

"...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

and water humours."

William Cole, 1656

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: interstitial cystitus & fibromyalgia

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:27:40 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-04 14:42:32 EDT, you write:



<< his truly sounds like a job for acupuncture and some Chinese herbs to help

 "stuck blood".  I'd check on this if I were you.  What an interesting (but

 troubling) disease.  Have you tried using stimulants like capsicum, prickly

 ash, etc?  I wonder what effect these would have on this affliction. >>



I have not tried stimulants.  I'm also menopausal.  I don't know what

stimulants would do to that.  I do eat a lot of hot peppers?  I'm not sure

that counts for capsicum?  Don't anything about prickly ash.  Haven't tried

acupuncture.  No reason, just haven't tried it.



Gail in Maryland, USA

beynong@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/beynong/

Zone 7





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: interstitial cystitus & fibromyalgia

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:41:26 -0800

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>>

>

>I have not tried stimulants.  I'm also menopausal.  I don't know what

>stimulants would do to that.  I do eat a lot of hot peppers?  I'm not sure

>that counts for capsicum?  Don't anything about prickly ash.  Haven't tried

>acupuncture.  No reason, just haven't tried it.

>

>Gail in Maryland, USA

>beynong@aol.com

>http://members.aol.com/beynong/

>Zone 7

>

>

Oops, menopausal?  Probably "hot" things would NOT be a good idea. I'd have

to think about this some more.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: [Fwd: Pinapple sage]

From: Joy Keeping <keepjoy@HAL-PC.ORG>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 13:54:56 -0500

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Dear list,



 This summer is the first time that I have really attempted to grow

herbs in any quantity and I have truly enjoyed some wonderful salads in

my attempt to try out new things.  However, since I have planted

whatever herbs that I could find in the nurseries in the Houston area, I

have an interesting assortment of herbs and lots of wonderful scents in

my garden.



 However, I have a large pineapple sage plant that I have no idea what

to do with.  I tried making a tea with some of the leaves and it didn't

 have a very pleasant taste.  So, does anyone have any suggestions as to

 what I can do with this abundant plant?  It has a wonderful pineapple

 scent.



 Also, to all members of the list who are from the UK, please accept my

 sincere condolences on the loss of Princess Diana.  I feel that it was

a great loss for us all and especially to her children.  How difficult

it is to grow up without your mother and my heart goes out to them.



 Thank you all for your contributions to list.  I have found it to be

 very informative and interesting.



 Joy Keeping

--------

Message

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To: HERB-L@q7.com

Subject: Pinapple sage

From: Joy Keeping <keepjoy@mail.hal-pc.org>

Date: Mon, 01 Sep 1997 10:29:00 -0500

--------

Dear list,



This summer is the first time that I have really attempted to grow herbs

in any quantity and I have truly enjoyed some wonderful salads in my

attempt to try out new things.  However, since I have planted whatever

herbs that I could find in the nurseries in the Houston area, I have an

interesting assortment of herbs and lots of wonderful scents in my

garden.



However, I have a large pineapple sage plant that I have no idea what to

do with.  I tried making a tea with some of the leaves and it didn't

have a very pleasant taste.  So, does anyone have any suggestions as to

what I can do with this abundant plant?  It has a wonderful pineapple

scent.



Also, to all members of the list who are from the UK, please accept my

sincere condolences on the loss of Princess Diana.  I feel that it was a

great loss for us all and especially to her children.  How difficult it

is to grow up without your mother and my heart goes out to them.



Thank you all for your contributions to list.  I have found it to be

very informative and interesting.



Joy Keeping





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: [Fwd: Pinapple sage]

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:48:04 -0400

--------

Pineapple Sage was the edible flower of the month of December 96 on

http://www.herbnet.com .....there are a number of recipes for both the

flowers and the leaves there.



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network

HerbNET





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Roger W. Wicke

From: C C <chessiecat@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:34:11 EDT

--------

Does anyone know what happened to Roger W. Wicke, who was a practitioner

of TCM and who used to post to this list? His web page doesn't appear to

exist anymore, or his email address. He used to have insightful advice.

--Alice





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Revisited

From: PeaceDog <peacedog@ENTERACT.COM>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 15:07:08 -0500

--------

>Can you give me any help on identifying the usages

>and safety of two herbs:

>King Solomon Seed

>Black Seed

>They are in a weight loss formulation I've been given, and I've

>never heard of them, nor do I know what their uses are.

>Do they go by other names?  Anyone know about them?



>The Black Seed you are talking about is likely

>Black Cummin or Russian Fennel, different names

>for the same plant. It is sometimes used

>as an immune booster with good results. I'm

>told it is some 5 times stronger than echinacea.

>try using it with 2 echinaceas and 2 ginsengs



Interesting hypothesis.  I'm going to call the company

and ask them what these herb names are and if they

are renamed and stand for other, more traditional, herbs.



>I have not found any reference to King Solomon Seed.

>It may or may not refer to Solomon's Seal.



Yes, this is the question:  What exactly are these herbs?

Why can't I find information on them and what

does this mean?  They are not listed by these names in

any of my herbal books nor on the Net.



When I searched for King Solomon Seed on the Web,

the only information I found was from the Awareness

Corp., who sell this product I was given, Imagine.



>When an MLM company neglects to correctly identify it's

>constituents, I immediately suspect overpricing.



Yes, that's what I'm suspecting also, because my doctor

wants me to pay $70 a bottle for a two-weeks supply.



>I bet if you check out prices of other ingredients in this,

>you'll find they are common and inexpensive herbs.



Yes, the rest of the herbs are common.  I knew what they

all were and could find them in herb books.  But I still

can't find anything about the first two principle ingredients.



Here is the list, according to the bottle label, in order

of quantity, on my bottle:



King Solomon Seed

Black Seed

Grapefruit Seed

Echinacea

Kelp

Watercress

Horsetail

Chickory

Ginko Biloba Leaf

Chickweed

Cornsilk

Fennel Seed

Peppermint Leaves

Dandelion Leaves

Chamomile Flowers

Juniper Berry

Sage Leaves

Burdock root

Safflower

Alfalfa



>If this is part of a combination I was recently shown,

>there's other sources of the same herbs that are MUCH less

>expensive and just as easy to get.



Can you tell me more about these sources and what they are?



I don't know what the first two herbs really are since, under the

names given, I can't find any information about them.



>I wouldn't buy anything that was NOT correctly identified.



Yes, I'm not going to do it either, and I'm going to call

and try to look into the labeling more, because something

seems strange to me if ingredients listed first and second

in a formulation cannot be researched and found in herbal

books, by myself, before I decide to use the herbs.



Any information appreciated.



Peace Dog





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Revisited

From: Rhyan <rhyan@ICAN.NET>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:45:28 +0000

--------

The Black Seed I have heard of and it is for the amune system. I will

try to get you more info on this product. Black Seed if from afracia

but I dont know much more about it. the king soloman seed I have

never heard of.



> >Can you give me any help on identifying the usages

> >and safety of two herbs:

> >King Solomon Seed

> >Black Seed

>

> King Solomon Seed

> Black Seed

> Grapefruit Seed

> Echinacea

> Kelp

> Watercress

> Horsetail

> Chickory

> Ginko Biloba Leaf

> Chickweed

> Cornsilk

> Fennel Seed

> Peppermint Leaves

> Dandelion Leaves

> Chamomile Flowers

> Juniper Berry

> Sage Leaves

> Burdock root

> Safflower

> Alfalfa

>

If I was given this bottle and not told what it was for I would think

it was for cleaning, I wonder if they also sell it for that as well.



> >If this is part of a combination I was recently shown,

> >there's other sources of the same herbs that are MUCH less

> >expensive and just as easy to get.

>

I dont ever do MLM. I dont like to buy things that I cant get more

info on. and you always pay more for MLM then you do in the store.

Rhyan Birch

Edmonton.Alberta.Canada

Rhyan@ican.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Revisited

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 11:24:36 -0400

--------

> King Solomon Seed

> Black Seed

> Grapefruit Seed

> Echinacea

> Kelp

> Watercress

> Horsetail

> Chickory

> Ginko Biloba Leaf

> Chickweed

> Cornsilk

> Fennel Seed

> Peppermint Leaves

> Dandelion Leaves

> Chamomile Flowers

> Juniper Berry

> Sage Leaves

> Burdock root

> Safflower

> Alfalfa





Please be careful of this particular MLM formula. Many people I know

are either allergic to or having some reaction to this one and getting

VERY sick.

It may be the cleansing, I don't know, but it may be too powerful.

I don't like to bash a particular company, just be careful.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Revisited

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:02:12 -0800

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>

>

>Please be careful of this particular MLM formula. Many people I know

>are either allergic to or having some reaction to this one and getting

>VERY sick.

>It may be the cleansing, I don't know, but it may be too powerful.

>I don't like to bash a particular company, just be careful.

>---------------------

>Mary Satchell

>mailto:satch@eos.net

>---------------------

>

>

The whole problem with MLM sales is that they paint their stuff as

cure-alls and call them "natural" to paint them as safe.  Herbs were NEVER

meant to be applied this way.   Testimonials are the primary way to market

these things, so they get pushed on people who should never be using them.

Too bad.  We'll all suffer with decreased access because of MLM improprieties.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

"...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

and water humours."

William Cole, 1656

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Revisited

From: Barbara Honors <Momcat3397@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:41:07 -0400

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To all on the list:



This seems a good opportunity to remind those who are new to herbs of the

importance of proper identification of plant material. DON'T buy anything

from

anyone who can't tell you ( or won't tell you ) what is in it BY IT'S  PROPER

SCIENTIFIC NAME. If they don't know, then they are not knowledgeable enough

to be giving advice.  Unfortunately, there are a lot of people trying to cash

in on

the awakening interest in herbs.  IMHO, to sell a product without knowledege

of what it is composed of and of the properties of the plants and of the

indications

( and contraindications ) for their use is dangerous and unethical.



As a matter of personal choice, I have no commercial interest in any herbal

product.

I research and teach and have been asked many times for an opinion of one or

another product that a student has purchased or read about.  Since I have no

monetary interest in such things I feel comfortable about my ability to offer

an unbiased evaluation but am frustrated that these products are often so

very poorly labeled, as in the example that prompted this message, that such

an evaluation is impossible.



Remember, just because a product is natural, doesn't mean is is safe. Most

are,

but all must be used with knowledge and care.  Beware of anything promoted as

a "cure-all"  -  the only thing likely to be  "cured" is the seller's empty

bank account.



Getting down off my soapbox now,

Barbara Honors

Ethnobotanist/Herbalist





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: food cravings

From: GraBec@AOL.COM

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 19:01:13 -0400

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Peter,

     Maybe I have written you before but what can you recommend other than

Ephedra or Ephedra in combination with something else that helps stop food

cravings? Thanks.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: food cravings

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:02:09 -0800

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At 07:01 PM 9/1/97 -0400, GraBec@AOL.COM wrote:

>Peter,

>     Maybe I have written you before but what can you recommend other than

>Ephedra or Ephedra in combination with something else that helps stop food

>cravings? Thanks.

>

>

Food cravings are very simply dealt with by balancing the body.  You do not

need any particular herb to stop cravings (other than those that will put

you back in balance).  Ephedra does NOT by the way stop food cravings.  It

very simply slows the appetite much the same as any antihistamine would.

You can get the same effect by taking OTC cold medicines containing

antihistamines.  Better to get yourself a REAL DIAGNOSIS.  Not a bandaid

over a festering wound.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

"...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

and water humours."

William Cole, 1656

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Looking for info on Obsessive compulisive disorder

From: Rhyan <rhyan@ICAN.NET>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 23:45:29 +0000

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I am looking for info for a customer.  Does anyone know what herbs

might help Obsessive Compulisive Disorder. I know that SJW is good

for depression, but was wondering what would be good for OCD. I would

love any info including research. Thanks for any help you can give.

Rhyan Birch

Edmonton.Alberta.Canada

Rhyan@ican.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Looking for info on Obsessive compulisive disorder

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:43:26 -0800

--------

At 11:45 PM 9/1/97 +0000, Rhyan wrote:

>I am looking for info for a customer.  Does anyone know what herbs

>might help Obsessive Compulisive Disorder. I know that SJW is good

>for depression, but was wondering what would be good for OCD. I would

>love any info including research. Thanks for any help you can give.

>Rhyan Birch

>Edmonton.Alberta.Canada

>Rhyan@ican.net

>

>

It seems to me that these types of diagnoses are not particularly useful in

a treatment sort of way.  OCD indicates something is missing that the body

is looking for.  It would take some good diagnosing to get to the root of

this one.  Here's another job for Chinese medicine, I think.  They have a

unique form of diagnosis and treatment. I'd be interested to know how a

Chinese herbalist would take this one on.  Rat's, I wish I knew more.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

"...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

and water humours."

William Cole, 1656

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Neem - Panacea?  LONG!

From: Darryl Clark <autores@INAME.COM>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 17:45:15 -0700

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----------------The following is quoted from the website----------------

See http://www.comfort.nl/ktc/neem.htm

The Neem Association is a non-profit organization that promotes neem

as a source of natural healing and as a solution to many of the world's

environmental problems. The Neem Association provides information about

neem to all interested parties, material to researchers and seeds to

groups supporting indigenous farmers. It supports a natural healing

clinic in Kenya and Maya farmers in Mexico.



THE NEEM TREE  Insect repellent:

Studies have shown that one neem compound is a more effective insect repellent

than the widely used synthetic chemical known as DEET (N,N,-diethyl-m-

toluamide), a suspected carcinogen with long periods of use.



INSECTICIDE:

Neem extracts have been approved by the U.S. Environmental

Protection Agency for use on food crops. It is non-toxic to birds,

animals, beneficial insects or man and protects crops from over 200 of

the most costly pests.



NEEM AND THE IMMUNE SYSTEM:

Neem, especially neem bark, is recognized for its immunomodulatory

polysaccharide compounds. These compounds appear to increase antibody

production. Other compounds in neem enhance the immune system via a

different mechanism; the cell- mediated immune response, the body's

first form of defense. Only when this system appears to be unable to stop an

infectious onslaught is the more massive immune system involved.



Neem oil acts as a non-specific immuno-stimulant that activates the cell

mediated immune response. This then creates an enhanced response to any

future challenges by disease organisms. When neem oil was injected under

the skin there was a significant increase in leukocytic cells and perioneal

macrophages showed enhanced phagocytic activity and expression of MHC

class II antigens. Production of gamma interferon was also induced by the

injection. Spleen cells showed higher lymphocyte reaction to infection

but did not augment anti-TT antibody response.



Water soluble neem leaf extracts, when taken orally, produced an

increase in lymphomatic counts and both red and white blood cells as well

as lymphocyte counts. In studies on the birth control effects of neem the

major factor in that effect appears to be an increase in the immune

response where neem has been applied that causes the body to reject the

fetus as a foreign body. By enhancing the cellular immune response most

pathogens can be eliminated before they cause the ill feeling associated

with disease. This mechanism could also help in diseases that involve the

immune system, like AIDS. Ingesting small quantities of neem leaf or bark

powder every other day or drinking a mild neem tea will enhance antibody

production and the body's cell-mediated immune response, helping to prevent

infections.



NEEM AND AIDS:

Neem has immuno-stimulating properties for both the lymphocytic and

cell-mediated immune systems. When human white blood cells infected with

HIV were cultured with neem extracts, the production of viral proteins

dropped dramatically. Dr. Upadhyay and Dr. Berre'- Sinousi (one of the

scientists who identified the AIDS virus) believe the neem extracts block

production of viral proteins thereby stopping replication of the virus.



Studies of the effects of neem bark and neem leaf extracts show they

significantly reduced the P-24 viral proteins and induced in vitro

production of IL-1 interferon. The National Institutes of Health, in a

preliminary study, reports encouraging results from in vitro tests where

neem bark extracts killed the AIDS virus. Another possible effect neem

may have on combating the AIDS virus is its apparent ability to enhance the

cell-mediated immune response to infection. Using extracts made by

soaking neem bark in water, Dr. Van Der Nat (Netherlands) determined that the

extract produces a strong immune stimulating reaction. The neem bark

extract stimulated lymphocyte function which increased production of MIF, a

lymphokine that attaches macrophages and monocytes to infectious agents.



Believed to be the first line of defense against HIV infection, neem's

ability to enhance the cell-mediated immune response may provide

protection from vaginal contraction of the disease if neem is used as a vaginal

lubricant before intercourse. If even only partially successful in

preventing the spread of AIDS, until scientists develop a cure, neem

could save countless lives.



In cases where HIV has not advanced to full-blown AIDS some of the

patients appear to have the enhanced cell-mediated immune responses that neem can

help produce. However, once contracted, AIDS may be treated by ingesting

neem leaf extracts, whole leaf or by drinking neem tea.



Many of the complications associated with AIDS can also be treated with

neem leaf or bark and creams. Lesions of the skin or burning sensations have

been successfully treated with neem leaves added to bath water and by lotions

containing neem oil.



NEEM AND BIRTH CONTROL: Women

Vaginal creams and suppositories made with neem oil are quickly becoming

the birth control method of choice in India. They are non-irritating and

easy to use while almost 100 percent effective. It's important to note,

however, that even toxic spermicides are not 100 percent effective. When

tested against human sperm neem extract (sodium nimbidinate) at 1000 mg was

able to kill all sperm in just 5 minutes and required only 30 minutes at a

250 mg level. They have the added benefit of preventing vaginal and sexually

transmitted diseases like gonorrhea, syphilis and chlamydia.



Neem has a proven ability to prevent pregnancy. Neem oil has also been

shown to work well both before and after sex while some purified extracts

only worked before sex as a preventative. Neem oil appears to be the most

effective form of neem for birth control, particularly hexane extracted

neem oil. After a single injection of a minute amount of neem oil in the

uterine horns, a strong cell-mediated immune response reaction produced a

long term (up to 12 months) and reversible block in fertility. There were

no changes in menstrual cycles or ovarian function.



Neem oil has also been found to prevent implantation and may even have

an abortifacient effect similar to pennyroyal, juniper berries, wild

ginger, myrrh and angelica. The effects were seen as many as ten days after

fertilization in rats though it was most effective at no more than three

days. In a study on rats, neem oil was given orally eight to ten days

after implantation of the fetus on the uterine wall. In all cases,

by day 15, the embryos were all completely resorbed by the body. The

animals regained fertility on the next cycle showing no physical problems.

Detailed study of the rats revealed increased levels of gamma interferon in

the uterus and enhanced local immune response in the uterus. Post coital

use of neem oil as birth control does not appear to work by hormonal changes

but produces changes in the organs that make pregnancy no longer viable.



Years of study in India by some of the world's leading scientists

resulted in the development of a neem-based polyherbal vaginal cream that

has both spermicidal and anti-microbial action. The cream combines 25%

neem seed extract with extracts from the soap nut and quinine hydrochloride.

Based on the success of these experiments, a neem-based contraceptive cream

was developed by a pharmaceutical company in India. Tests of its

effectiveness showed that it compared favorably with the chemical-based

foams and gels. It was safer and easier to use, caused no irritation or

discomfort, was nearly 100% effective, and was therefore used more

frequently than the foam or gel spermicides. The effect does not appear

to be hormonal and is considered a safe and effective alternative to other

methods that use hormones.



NEEM AND BIRTH CONTROL :  Men

Neem may become the first truly effective birth control "pill" for men.

Neem oil capsules ingested for one month produced reversible male

antifertility without affecting sperm production or libido. In India and

the United States, exploratory trials show neem extracts reduced fertility

in male monkeys without inhibiting libido or sperm production.



In a test of neem's birth control effects with members of the Indian

Army, daily oral doses of several drops of neem seed oil in gelatin

capsules were given to twenty married soldiers. The effect took six

weeks to become 100 percent effective, it remained effective during

the entire year of the trial and was reversed six weeks after the

subjects stopped taking the capsules. During this time the men experienced

no adverse side effects and retained their normal capabilities and desires.

There were no pregnancies of any of the wives during the period of the study.



For long term birth control for men it appears that a very minute amount

of neem oil injected in the vas deferens provides up to eight months of

birth control. The tests revealed no obstructions, no change in testosterone

production and no anti-sperm antibodies. The local lymph nodes showed

increased ability to respond to infections indicating an immune response

may be responsible for the birth control effect in men as it is in women.



NEEM AND HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE:

High blood pressure, blood clots, high cholesterol levels and arrhythmic

heart action are major causes of heart attack. Neem leaf extracts have

been shown to reduce clotting, lower blood pressure and cholesterol, slow

rapid heartbeat, and inhibit irregularities of the rhythms of the heart.

There are also reports that some compounds can produce effects similar to

mild sedatives reducing anxiety and other emotional and physical states

that can precipitate heart attacks. This may be a calming effect similar

to that witnessed with other herbal teas or a psychological result of

physiological effects of blood vessel dilation and lower blood pressure.



The antihistamine properties of nimbidin in leaf extracts cause blood

vessels to dilate and may be responsible for reducing blood pressure.

Alcoholic extract of neem leaf (intravenous ) produced a significant and

immediate decrease in blood pressure which lasted for several hours.

Another neem leaf extract, sodium nimbidinate, administered to people

with congestive cardiac failure acted successfully as a diuretic.



CHOLESTEROL:

Neem leaf extracts reduced cholesterol levels significantly in recent

studies. Alcoholic extract of neem leaves reduced serum cholesterol by

about 30% beginning two hours after administration and kept the level

low for an additional four hours until the test ended.



ARRHYTHMIA/RAPID HEARTBEAT:

Neem leaf extract exhibited anti-arrhythmic activity, returning to

normal within eight minutes of administration, artificially induced

arrhythmia. Neem extracts can also decrease abnormally high heart rates.



NEEM AND PSORIASIS:

Neem oil is probably the best product currently available for treating

psoriasis. It moisturizes and protects the skin while it helps heal the

lesions, scaling and irritation. Experiments and reports from patients

with psoriasis have shown taking neem leaf orally combined with topical

treatment with neem extracts and neem seed oil appear to be at least as

effective as coal tar and cortisone in treating psoriasis.



In a case study a patient with severe psoriasis was given neem extract

(nimbidin) three times a day and the skin treated with nimbidin mixed in

coconut oil. The treatments lasted less than three months, stopped the

itching, redness and continued to improve the condition of the skin for

the duration of treatment. The final result of the treatments was the

complete disappearance of the signs of psoriasis. They produced no

noticeable side effects. Anecdotal reports indicate that improvements

are faster when the areas treated with neem are also exposed to sunlight.



The usual treatment for psoriasis involves either coal tar or cortisone.

Coal tar products are messy and smell, and cortisone can thin the skin

after repeated use. Neem has neither drawback. Topical applications of

neem are easy and inexpensive, and since it is usually oil or cream based,

neem helps to lubricate the skin. There are no unpleasant smells or stains

on clothing, and its antibacterial and anti-viral compounds help prevent

infections. It also can be used for extended periods of time without side

effects. Neem can also take the place of oral medications and injections

that may have strong side effects or cause liver damage or birth defects.

It is perhaps the best and safest alternative for treating psoriasis.



NEEM AND ECZEMA:

The broad range of beneficial effects neem has on skin makes it one of

the better treatments for eczema (dermatitis). Though neem oil is

preferred because of the concentration of active compounds, topical

applications of even the weaker leaf extracts have cured acute eczema.



NEEM AND PERIODONDAL DISEASE:

Neem has been used in India and all of south Asia for thousands of years

as the preferred method for maintaining healthy teeth and gums. The people

of India chew a neem twig until the end becomes bristles then brush with

the natural "toothbrush" to clean their teeth after meals. The bark and sap

within the twig help clean the teeth and protect the mouth from disease.

For those not inclined to chew neem twigs, toothpastes and mouthwashes

containing neem are now available. Neem toothpastes and mouthwashes

prevent cavities, heal gum diseases and rejuvenate the tissues of the mouth,

verifying the Ayurvedic practice of prescribing neem for dental care.



In a study to determine the most effective method for reducing plaque

formation and the level of bacteria on tooth surfaces researchers

compared antibiotics to a number of plant materials with known

antibacterial properties, including neem. They found that microorganisms

found in inflamed gums are resistant to penicillin (44%) and tetracycline

(30%) but were not resistant to antibacterial plant extracts like neem.

And unlike antibiotics, antibacterial plant extracts produced no allergy

in the gingiva that could inhibit their effectiveness.



In a follow-up clinical study fifty patients with confirmed gingivitis

were selected, forty of whom had showed severe bleeding and pustular

discharges from the gums. After just three weeks of brushing twice a

day with a paste that included leaf extracts 80% showed significant

improvement. The patients also showed a 50% reduction in bacterial

populations, elimination of halitosis (bad breath) with no side effects.



NEEM AND PYORRHEA:

Pyorrhea is characterized by an inflammation of the gums and membranes

that cover the roots of the teeth. More teeth are lost by people over age

35 because of this disease than any other cause. In a German study of 70

patients with pyorrhea of varying stages, after just 5 to 10 treatments

with a neem-based toothpaste and mouthwash there was significant improvement.

Bleeding gums had healed and the secretion from pockets around the teeth

had stopped. The bluish colored gums returned to a healthy pale pink color.

Neem bark is more active than the leaves against certain bacteria and is

considerably less bitter making it the neem ingredient of choice in

toothpastes and mouthwashes.



GINGIVITIS(bleeding gums):

Neem bark extracts can reduce the ability of some streptococci to

colonize tooth surfaces. Gingivitis has been prevented or even

reversed with regular use of neem toothpaste and mouthwash. One person

even reported a reversal of the loss of gum tissue by chewing fresh neem

leaves. Scientists believe that antibacterial compounds and neem's ability

to improve the immune response in the gums and tissues of the mouth

account for these results.



NEEM AND CAVITIES:

Neem extracts have helped millions of people in south Asia avoid

cavities despite a very limited access to modern dental care. Brushing

with neem twigs and chewing neem leaves and seeds after a meal has been

the traditional dental care practice in this area. With available modern

preparations many people are now using commercial products that contain

the same basic neem compounds.



NEEM AND ARTHRITIS:

Arthritis is broad term covering many types of joint ailments. The

ailments can be autoimmune disorders, infections, the result of wear

on the joints or simply inflammation. Generally though it is the

inflammation or the pain associated with it that is treated

regardless of the origin. Neem can aid in treating arthritis in many

ways. Neem's antibacterial properties can help kill infectious causes

while its inflammation reducing properties and pain suppressing properties

can alleviate the symptoms. Neem can also help create a balance in the

immune system which directly affects progression of the disease.



A number of studies indicate the usefulness of neem in treating

arthritis. There have been numerous studies on the ability of extracts

of neem leaf to reduce the inflammation caused by arthritis. One study

suggested that the phenolic compounds containing catechin (known to

possess anti-inflammatory properties) may produce the anti- inflammatory

effects witnessed. Another study discovered quercetin, a known

antibacterial compound, in neem leaves. Others concluded that the

polysaccharides in neem reduce the inflammation and swelling associated

with arthritis.



Different parts of the tree and many extracts of each were tested .

Compounds, like nimbidin, extracted from the seed with alcohol, showed

significant effects against arthritis as have methanol extracts of the

leaf and bark. The reason these compounds work is believed to be due to

several factors. Several leaf compounds have been shown to be more potent

inhibitors of prostaglandin than aspirin. Limonoids and catechin in the

leaf and seed may provide additional beneficial effects. Other possible

explanations point to an inhibition of the release of mediators of acute

inflammation. An antihistaminic effect of nimbidin (underlying its

anti-gastric ulcer activity) has been reported. Also, a modification of

the immune response appears to reduce the generation of

inflammation-producing chemicals.



In any case, the long history of using neem leaf, bark and seed

extracts to relieve inflamed joints is borne out by the recent

scientific investigations.



NEEM AND RHEUMATISM:

The active constituents in neem leaves have outstanding

anti-inflammatory activity, comparable even to the well-known modern

drugs phenyl butazone and cortisone. They relieve pain by acting on

the prostaglandin mechanism and significantly reduce acute paw edema.



NEEM AND DIABETES:

Diabetes is an incurable, chronic metabolic disorder that develops

when the pancreas can no longer produce sufficient insulin. Blood

sugar levels rapidly elevate yet the body is unable to use the energy

contained in the sugar leading to weakness and eventually

unconsciousness. Diabetes is the leading cause of blindness in people

ages 25 to 74, damages nerves, kidneys, the heart and blood vessels

and may result in the amputation of limbs. Neem leaf is a traditional herb

for treating diabetes and has been scientifically proven effective in

treating and preventing diabetes. Oral doses of neem leaf extracts

significantly reduced insulin requirements for non-insulin dependent

diabetes. Neem oil has also proven effective and has been able to inhibit

increases in blood sugar levels by as much as 45% in test animals.  Capsules

containing neem and a number of other herbs are currently available in many

countries for the treatment of diabetes. In tests to verify the

effectiveness of the medication (Karnim) it was found blood sugar was

lowered by over 50% in twenty weeks and maintained thereafter.



Neem leaf extracts have been shown to reduce insulin requirements of

diabetics without apparent effect on blood glucose levels. Different

studies show insulin requirement reductions of between 20 percent and 50

percent for those who take five grams of dried neem leaf capsules. There

are even anecdotal reports of diabetics chewing a single neem leaf daily

that have been able to eliminate insulin injections completely.  Based on

the many studies of neem's effects on insulin requirements, the

Indian government has approved the sale by pharmaceutical companies of

neem tablets for diabetics. (Some of these preparations are really nothing

more than powdered neem leaves.)



NEEM AND CANCER:

The neem tree has been used successfully for centuries to reduce tumors

by herbalists throughout Southeast Asia. Researchers in India, Europe and

Japan have now found that polysaccharides and limonoids found in neem bark,

leaves and seed oil reduced tumors and cancers and showed effectiveness

against lymphocytic leukemia. In several patents issued in Japan hot water

neem bark extracts showed remarkable effectiveness against several types

of tumors. Several types of extract were tested at different doses and

compared to the effectiveness of a standard anti-cancer agent. Several

of the extracts were equal to or better than the standard anti- cancer

agent against solid tumors. When the tests were done using a more purified

extract of neem bark, the results were even more impressive against solid

tumors. But the extracts tested were still very crude when compared to the

extremely purified active compounds typically used in treating tumors.

Further studies using truly pure active compounds are expected to produce

results at least equal to the control.



Another researcher used an extract of neem leaves to prevent the adhesion

of cancer cells to other cells in the body. Without the ability to stick

to other cells, cancers cannot spread through the body and are more easily

destroyed by the body's own immune system or by other treatments.  In

general, neem is known for its ability to affect cancers. Injections of

neem extract around tumors showed remarkable reduction in size in just a

few weeks. Skin cancers may be particularly responsive to neem. A number

of reports have been made by patients that skin cancers have disappeared

after several months of daily application of a neem based cream.



NEEM AND DIGESTIVE DISORDERS:

Neem is regularly taken to correct problems with the stomach and bowels.

Neem promotes a healthy digestive system by protecting the stomach,

aiding in elimination and removing toxins and harmful bacteria.



NEEM AND HEARTBURN/INDIGESTION:

Neem leaves are often used to treat heartburn and indigestion. They are

effective because some neem extracts reduce the concentration of

hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Other compounds with apparent

prostaglandin inhibition capabilities may also play a part in reducing

gastric secretions. At the onset of indigestion traditional Ayurvedic

practice is to drink a strong neem tea made with five neem leaves along

with 1/4 teaspoon each of ginger and baking soda. The mixture is said to

protect the stomach and reduce the discomfort.



NEED AND PEPTIC/DUODENAL ULCERS:

Neem is a generally accepted in the Ayurvedic medical tradition as a

therapy for ulcers and gastric discomfort. People throughout the Indian

subcontinent take neem leaves for relief of stomach problems of any sort.

Scientific validation of these practices is consistent in studies of the

effectiveness of neem and neem extracts for gastric relief.



Compounds in neem have been proven to have anti-ulcerative effects. Oral

doses of neem leaf extracts gave significant protection against peptic

ulcers, duodenal ulcers and enhanced the healing process of gastric

lesions. Nimbidin from seed extracts taken orally prevented duodenal

lesions and peptic ulcers. They provided significant reductions in acid

output and peptic activity of gastric fluids. The effects were most

pronounced when doses were low (20 to 40 mg/kg) and increased dosages

actually reduced the effectiveness of neem's anti-ulcerative effects.

Neem seed extracts also showed significant healing effects from this

compound for existing lesions.  Similar compounds have been found in leaf

extracts in lesser concentrations.



NEEM AND GASTRITIS:

Neem extracts reduce the concentration of acid in the stomach and have

anti-bacterial and anti-inflammatory properties that can provide relief

from the effects of gastritis.



NEEM AND NERVOUS DISORDERS:

One hour after taking aqueous leaf extracts -- or neem tea -- weak

excitation and increased activity are seen, while decreased activity and

lower muscular tone occur after five hours. Nimbidin has a mild

suppressive effect on the central nervous system. Neem leaf extracts produce

lower activity, respiratory rate and muscle tone passivity as well as

dose-dependent hypothermia. The active compounds may be limonoids, because

most seem to be able to pass the blood-brain barrier.



NEEM AND STRESS:

One of the most recent discoveries for neem revealed that extracts of

neem leaves have been able to reduce anxiety and stress when ingested

in small quantities. In an experiment to see what, if any, effect neem

leaf extract had on anxiety and stress fresh neem leaves were crushed

and the liquid squeezed out to obtain a leaf extract. The extract was

then given orally to test animals who were placed in two different

standard stress tests and the behavior noted. As controls and for

comparison three main sets of animals were used. One group received salt

water to act as a base control, another group received diazepam (Valium)

and another set received the neem leaf extract. To determine the if neem

leaf extract worked differently at different amounts the neem extract

group was subdivided into sets that received ever larger doses.



In the elevated plus maze test doses of neem leaf extract up to 200

mg/kg showed significant anti-anxiety activity equal to or greater than

diazepam. In the open field test doses of neem leaf extract up to

100 mg/kg were equal to diazepam in its anti-anxiety effect. At levels

higher than 200 mg/kg and 100 mg/kg respectively the neem extract

performed less well as the dosages increased until at 800 mg/kg the

effect totally disappeared. The explanation for neem's anti-anxiety

effect may rest with its ability to increase the amount of serotonin

in the brain.



The amazing part of the experiment isn't that neem can reduce anxiety.

Thatis something that had been reported many times before scientific

experimentation finally quantified it. The amazing part is that neem

extracts will only work in small doses. This unique quality of neem

could make neem extract a safer alternative than drugs currently used

for stress that compound their effects with higher doses up to a point

where they can become dangerous.



NEEM AND MALARIA:

Malaria affects hundreds of millions of people worldwide and kills over

2 million people every year. It has even made an occasional appearance

in North America due to introduction of new mosquito strains and

traveler from malarial regions. Malaria is transmitted from an infected

person to a non-infected person by the bites of certain species of

mosquito. The malarial gamete is sucked up from the infected person by

the mosquito and carried in its gut until the mosquito bites an uninfected

person. The bite injects the gamete into the blood stream where it travels

to the kidney to mature. Neem can block the development of the gamete in an

infected person. This not only prevents the infected person from developing

malaria but also stops the disease from spreading. Neem leaf extract

substantially increases the state of oxidation in red blood cells,

preventing normal development of the malaria plasmodia. An active

ingredient in neem leaves, called Irodin A, is toxic to resistant

strains of malaria, with 100 percent of the plasmodia dead in 72 hours

with only a 1:20,000 ratio of active ingredients. In other experiments

alcoholic extracts of neem leaf performed almost as well as the more

refined compounds.



Two other compounds found in neem leaves called gedunin, a limonoid,

and quercetin, a flavonoid, are at least as effective as quinine and

chloroquine against malaria. Another molecule, gedunin, an extract of neem

bark, has also been found to be effective in treating malaria. Several

studies show that neem extracts are effective even against

chloroquine-resistant strains of the malaria parasite. The antimalarial

effects of neem appear to be greater in the body than on a petri dish.

This has led some to speculate that stimulation of the immune system is

a major factor in neem's effectiveness against malaria. Neem also lowers

the fever and increases the appetite thereby strengthening the body which

aids in fighting the disease parasite and speeding recovery. Like the

populations in malaria stricken ares who have access to neem some

westerners familiar with neem often substitute an occasional neem leaf

tea to drinking quinine on trips to malaria-infested areas of Africa and

India as a preventive measure. Even though neem tea may be effective

against malaria, a study done by Dr. Udeinya showed that water extracts

are less effective than leaf extracts obtained by a water/acetone

combination.



TOXICOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Neem - Panacea?  LONG!

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:43:28 -0800

--------

At 05:45 PM 9/1/97 -0700, Darryl Clark wrote:

>----------------The following is quoted from the website----------------

>See http://www.comfort.nl/ktc/neem.htm

>The Neem Association is a non-profit organization that promotes neem

>as a source of natural healing and as a solution to many of the world's

>environmental problems.



There's a couple of problems with this.  Much of the information was

obtained by virtue of in vitro testing or subcutaneous injections.  Results

will probably NOT be the same when the substance in ingested and goes

through digestion.  I have the same problem with this as I do with V.

Tyler's stuff -- it's great for lab jockeys but doesn't always hold true in

reality.

The other problem is touting it as a birth control agent.  Using

abortafacients and killing sperm is disruptive to the body as a whole

regardless of how it is painted.  Our bodies--both male and female--were

made to perpetuate the species.  It really is the primary biological

function.  So think about it.  When you interfere with it in this way,

there's no way you're not putting ripples in the natural flow.  Perhaps

there are no immediate outward effects but it WILL show up.  It may be a

lesser of evils but to say it has no effect is wrong.  Be careful when you

mess with your body's "spirit".  But then I've been called weird about this

subject.

The other thing is---how long until neem trees are endangered?  Trees take

a long time to grow.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

"...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

and water humours."

William Cole, 1656

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Neem - Panacea?  LONG!

From: Darryl Clark <autores@INAME.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:07:45 -0700

--------

Hello Anita:



Please explain what in vitro testing and subcutaneous injections  are.

If the tests are valid using these methods, can the substance be

administered in these ways also?  Are any of the claims re: neem

verifiable regardless of method?  You should see the original article, I

cut huge sections out of it just to get my e-mail to swallow it.  Seems

that even a fraction of the claims being true would be wonderful for

some folks.  I'ts hard to confirm whats legit though.



DC





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Neem - Panacea?  LONG!

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:41:28 -0800

--------

At 09:07 PM 9/4/97 -0700, Darryl Clark wrote:

>Hello Anita:

>

>Please explain what in vitro testing and subcutaneous injections  are.

>If the tests are valid using these methods, can the substance be

>administered in these ways also?  Are any of the claims re: neem

>verifiable regardless of method?  You should see the original article, I

>cut huge sections out of it just to get my e-mail to swallow it.  Seems

>that even a fraction of the claims being true would be wonderful for

>some folks.  I'ts hard to confirm whats legit though.

>

>DC

>

>

I'm sure its a perfectly viable medicinal herb.  But the testing I referred

to is done in a lab OUTSIDE the body or injected under the skin.  While

this can give you an idea of the chemical components and their actions.  It

is often irrelevant to the actual effects of an herb that is taken by mouth

and digested in human beings.

I tend to think that if an herb behaves in a certain way when ingested by

the body, THAT information is relevant and more helpful.

When testing is done in a test tube or petri dish in a lab or tested by

injection under the skin, it may act completely different when actually

taken by mouth.  This information is interesting and perhaps useful but

unless the testing is done BOTH ways, it can be full of erroneous

conclusions.  So be real careful when digesting lab information.

I would trust the traditional uses of the herb far more than results of lab

testing.  Time proves much.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbalism Schools and Courses

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:03:00 -0400

--------

Gee, I as well ask about herbal schools, any in southern New Hampshire? TIA<

DEBRA





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbalism Schools and Courses

From: - Susan Terry <Talkinnow@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:53:34 -0400

--------

Richard Schulzes' Natural School of Healing listed under this name or

American Botanical Pharmacy in Santa Monica, California.



He is the only living protege' of Dr.'s Christopher and Jensen and lectures

in New York City all the time.



Correspondence course and degree through mail.



He is the real thing and has schools here, london, germany, etc. for over 2

decades.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbalism Schools and Courses

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 18:52:00 GMT

--------

On Tue, 9 Sep 1997 11:53:34 -0400, - Susan Terry <Talkinnow@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Richard Schulzes' Natural School of Healing listed under this name or

>American Botanical Pharmacy in Santa Monica, California.

>

>He is the only living protege' of Dr.'s Christopher and Jensen and lectures

>in New York City all the time.

>

>Correspondence course and degree through mail.



A word of caution: don't expect to be able to use herbs on any but homeremedy

level if all you've got is a correspondence degree. If any health care school

says otherwise it's -very- disreputable.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbalism Schools and Courses

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:20:54 -0700

--------

A word of caution: don't expect to be able to use herbs on any but homeremedy

level if all you've got is a correspondence degree. If any health care school

says otherwise it's -very- disreputable.



Henriette



So, what do you suggest.  This is what I felt I may do just to get myself

oriented to herbs in general and to use them at home.  This is all the further I

have looked at this time.  What would be the next step or a better one for me to

take.



Paula





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbalism Schools and Courses

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:57:28 GMT

--------

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:20:54 -0700, Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>>A word of caution: don't expect to be able to use herbs on any but homeremedy

>>level if all you've got is a correspondence degree. If any health care school

>>says otherwise it's -very- disreputable.



>So, what do you suggest.  This is what I felt I may do just to get myself

>oriented to herbs in general and to use them at home.  This is all the further I

>have looked at this time.  What would be the next step or a better one for me to

>take.



For a first step, ie. home remedy, a correspondence course is OK.

When you want to go further it's absolutely crucial to take an on-site course,

at any of the reputable schools - there's a list of some good ones in the

medicinal herbfaq, part 7.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbalism Schools and Courses

From: Alisa Mantoni <angel@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:03:05 -0400

--------

this may be a really stupid question, since i've been on this list for so

long, but i have never seen the herbfaq...how do i get there?



thanks.

lisa



>

> For a first step, ie. home remedy, a correspondence course is OK.

> When you want to go further it's absolutely crucial to take an on-site course,

> at any of the reputable schools - there's a list of some good ones in the

> medicinal herbfaq, part 7.

>

> Henriette

>

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbalism Schools and Courses

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:00:48 GMT

--------

On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:03:05 -0400, Alisa Mantoni <angel@GWIS2.CIRC.GWU.EDU>

wrote to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>this may be a really stupid question, since i've been on this list for so

>long, but i have never seen the herbfaq...how do i get there?



The medicinal herbfaq is at http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediherb.html

and the culinary herbfaq is at http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/culiherb.html.

Both are also available as textfiles on the official faq sites and on sunsite

(see my .sig, go for the faqs).



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbalism Schools and Courses

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 16:29:02 -0400

--------

Paula Warner wrote:

>

> Wonderful!  Anyone have the address of the Calif school or phone number or an

> email addy?  Correspondence courses interest me.

>

> Paula

>

> On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, - Susan Terry <Talkinnow@AOL.COM> wrote:

> >Richard Schulzes' Natural School of Healing listed under this name or

> >American Botanical Pharmacy in Santa Monica, California.

> >

> >Correspondence course and degree through mail.

> >

> >He is the real thing and has schools here, london, germany, etc. for over 2

> >decades.

> >



Dr. Schulze's School of Natural Healing

P.O. Box 3628

Santa Monica. CA 90408

310-576-6565

fax: 310-576-6575

---------------------

Mary Satchell

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Triglycerides

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:11:53 -0400

--------

Triglycerides are fat molecules in which three fatty acids are attached at

each of the three carbon atoms of a single glycerol molecule.  The carbon to

hydrogen ratio in most fats is 2:1 and because fats are nonpolar, insoluble

molecules they work well as storage molecules.  Fatty acids of most plant

triglycerides such as vegetable oils are unsaturated (with the exception of

tropical oils).  Animal fats are often saturated and occur as hard fats.

 Human diets with large amounts of saturated fats appear to upset the normal

balance of fatty acids in the body and leads to circulatory system diseases.



Since digestion of triglycerides is done by the lipases enzymes they are

broken down into fatty acids and glycerol.  They are then absorbed by

pancreatic lipase an enzyme secreted by the pancreas that works in the small

intestine.



Cholesterol enters the picture when cholesterol carrying molecules called

 lipoproteins are utilized in the body.  Your blood level contains two

cholesterol carrying molecules, high-density lipoproteins (HDL) and

low-density lipoproteins (LDL) which is the *bad* count.  The correction for

this should be a good diet plus herbs which I hope many of you will

recommend.



End of the chemistry lesson -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.coml





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Pennyroyal oil

From: Kimberly Weeks <kmweeks@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 04:33:04 EDT

--------

Does anyone know what this is used for and what it can be used for

safely?



I am chemically sensitive as a reault of a chemical injury a year ago and

two people have suggested two different "safe" uses for me pennyroyal oil

- to spray my cats with it (diluted) to get rid of/prevent fleas and to

use vaginally as a birth control method (I have no safe options since my

injuries so I abstain.)  Any input on this?  Please reply either to the

list or privately.



Thanks.

Kimberly





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pennyroyal oil

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:02:10 -0800

--------

At 04:33 AM 9/2/97 EDT, Kimberly Weeks wrote:

>Does anyone know what this is used for and what it can be used for

>safely?

>

>I am chemically sensitive as a reault of a chemical injury a year ago and

>two people have suggested two different "safe" uses for me pennyroyal oil

>- to spray my cats with it (diluted) to get rid of/prevent fleas and to

>use vaginally as a birth control method (I have no safe options since my

>injuries so I abstain.)  Any input on this?  Please reply either to the

>list or privately.

>

>Thanks.

>Kimberly

>

>

It seems to me that use of essential oils may be too much for  a chemically

sensitive person.  Often these are incredibly concentrated things.  They

may give you no problem, but I wouldn't be surprised if they did.  I would

suggest getting either a homeopathic detox or begin using alterative herbs

such as burdock root, red clover, yellow dock, etc.  Essiac may be useful

here. As for birth control, I'd recommend plain old condoms with no

additions unless it's the "rubber" itself that gives you problems.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

"...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

and water humours."

William Cole, 1656

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pennyroyal oil

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:41:48 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

It seems to me that use of essential oils may be too much for a chemically sensitive person.  Often these are incredibly concentrated things.  ...   Essiac may be useful here. As for birth control, I'd recommend plain old condoms with no additions unless it's the "rubber" itself that gives you problems.



I ADD:

I second these suggestions.  Pennyroyal is a very powerful plant, especially the essential oil. Also while it works well to control fleas on doge, most cats hate it.  

Use the light and sticky paper trap flea control devices which are available in most stores (no commercial interest) or make a homemade version with a jellyroll pan of water with a few drops of detergent added and a light source.  Left on at night, this attracts fleas who then drown in the water.  Effective and totaly chemical free.

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pennyroyal oil

From: Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 12:06:29 -0400

--------

In a message dated 9/5/97 12:05:40 AM, you wrote:



>two people have suggested two different "safe" uses for me pennyroyal oil

>>- to spray my cats with it (diluted) to get rid of/prevent fleas and to

>>use vaginally as a birth control method (I have no safe options since my

>>injuries so I abstain.)  Any input on this?



Do not use essential oils in your vagina, or on *any* delicate mucus

membranes! Even on healthy, intact skin some of them can cause burns and

blisters. There are no effective herbal birth control methods. Pennyroyal

oil's only distinction in the birth control arena is that it is an extremely

dangerous (i.e. may cause maternal death) abortifacient. It does not prevent

conception.



To rid your cat of fleas, use a flea comb. Sit by the toilet, or with a bowl

of water at hand (put a few drops of detergent in to break the surface

tension so fleas sink) and drop the fleas from the comb into the water to

drown. Do this 2X a day at first, then 1X per day when you notice a lot fewer

fleas. Most cats enjoy having their head, face and neck combed; teach your

cat to enjoy the combing by focusing on these areas and gradually working up

to the whole body.



Patricia

harperp@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St John's Wort & Body Heat

From: Janice Brown <brown@ENGRNG.PITT.EDU>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 09:31:36 -0400

--------

Hello,



In my case, I know it was the SJW causing the sweating/hot flashes.   I had

them the whole six months I took SJW and, since I stopped taking it (about

a month ago), I haven't had it.   jb





At 08:09 AM 8/31/97 -0400, you wrote:

>> Thanks everyone for so many responses to my question.

>>

>> After a lot of thought, I am beginning to suspect it is something

>> other

>> than SJW.I initially thought of the SJW because it is the most obvious

>> thing I am doing differently.

>

>

>I was having wierd heat spells in the spring of this year.  Acupuncture

>really cleared them up for me!

>

>Mine I think were directly related to stress and pent up anger.  So, I

>guess I can see the stress, in your case, of moving, as being a "heat

>causer"

>

>Wendy

>--

>NormNDy Farm

>

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Care and Feeding of Purple Coneflower

From: Joy Keeping <keepjoy@HAL-PC.ORG>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:46:21 -0500

--------

Hi William,



I think that I must live fairly close to you.  I live in Pecan Grove

outside Richmond.  I planted two echinacea plants several weeks ago in

one of my flower beds and I must not have watered them enough in our

August heat as they both died.  I was out of town two different times

last month and I think that is what did them in.  I think that they

should do ok in full sun once they get established as I saw some growing

in the full sun earlier this summer and they were big.  Where do you get

your plants?  I have been wanting some lemon verbena and scented

geraniums.  I just love rose geranium.  I have lemon balm in my garden

and it gets a lot of shade and seems to be doing fine.  I also have a

spicy globe basil in full sun and it seems happy as long as it gets

enough water.  I have a lemongrass plant and pineapple sage plant that

are rather large.  Do you know much about growing french lavender?  I

have several plants but they aren't growing very fast.  Maybe we can

help each other as far as growing herbs in Houston.



I was glad to see your postings to the list.



Joy Keeping

William M. Groth wrote:

>

> Hello All,

>

> I am in zone 9 (Houston TX), it is August and I have planted two Echinacea

> purpurea in one of my raised flower beds.  These plants are in full sun and

> most of the morning and into the afternoon. I am wondering if I need to

> provide

> shade and I would like some opinions on growing these plants.

> As it very seldom gets below 20 degrees F (minus 6 degrees C). I am not

> worried

> (yet) about their hardiness in Houston winters.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Care and Feeding of Purple Coneflower

From: "William M. Groth" <groth@RICE.EDU>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 00:23:19 +0200

--------

Hello All,



I am in zone 9 (Houston TX), it is August and I have planted two Echinacea

purpurea in one of my raised flower beds.  These plants are in full sun and

most of the morning and into the afternoon. I am wondering if I need to

provide

shade and I would like some opinions on growing these plants.

As it very seldom gets below 20 degrees F (minus 6 degrees C). I am not

worried

(yet) about their hardiness in Houston winters.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Care and Feeding of Purple Coneflower

From: Mitzi <mitzeli@PRODIGY.NET>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 18:51:04 -0500

--------

At 04:46 PM 9/2/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi William,

>

>I think that I must live fairly close to you.  I live in Pecan Grove

>outside Richmond.  I planted two echinacea plants several weeks ago in

>one of my flower beds and I must not have watered them enough in our

>August heat as they both died.  I was out of town two different times



>> I am in zone 9 (Houston TX), it is August and I have planted two Echinacea

>> purpurea in one of my raised flower beds.  These plants are in full sun and

>> most of the morning and into the afternoon. I am wondering if I need to

>> provide

>> shade and I would like some opinions on growing these plants.





Hello All,



I am in southeastern Louisiana, very hot here also.  What I have learned

about Echinacea is that they don't like being transplanted.  If you

transplant them early and provide extra care until established, they will

do fine even in our full sun.  When all the other plants are wilted and

showing distress, my Echinacea is perked up and doing fine.  They are in

full sun.  I've grown two varieties and both do well in full sun.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Care and Feeding of Purple Coneflower

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:49:13 -0400

--------

 Where do you get

>your plants?  I have been wanting some lemon verbena and scented

>geraniums.  I just love rose geranium.





You can check out  http://www.garden.com  They sell herbs there.  No

affiliation with them.  I just buy herbs there periodically.  They have

lemon verbena and scented geraniums.  I have alway had good luck with them.

I often wish I was back in Texas.  My gardens always did so well there.



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Care and Feeding of Purple Coneflower

From: Anita Wilson <AWilson742@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 13:03:00 -0400

--------

Hello All,



Reporting in from Atlanta, GA.  I have two types of Echinacea that were

planted this year.  I planted them in full sun and they did well.  I water

them about once a week.  This worked even when the temperatures hit in the

90's.  I believe mine are doing so well because I planted them in May.

 Shortly after that we had alot of rain and this gave the plants a good

start.  I have alot of seed heads which I would like experiment with.   Any

suggestions?



     AEW





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Care and Feeding of Purple Coneflower

From: Frank Zachariah <FZachariah@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:04:52 -0400

--------

   I live in southeast Louisiana also. I only grow E. angustifolia. I does

beautiful here in sun or partial shade but best to plant in the fall to let

it establish itself before the heat sets in. The "northern" species hybrids

which you find in the catalogs (like Bravo) have a problem overwintering

here. These go completely dormant and come back poorly the next spring. I

have some seeds of the southern strain that I will share if you email me.



In a message dated 97-09-03 10:14:34 EDT, you write:

>  >> I am in zone 9 (Houston TX), it is August and I have planted two

Echinacea

>  >> purpurea in one of my raised flower beds.

>  >>   .....  I would like some opinions on growing these plants.

>

>

>  Hello All,

>

>  I am in southeastern Louisiana, very hot here also.  What I have learned

>  about Echinacea is that they don't like being transplanted.  If you

>  transplant them early and provide extra care until established, they will

>  do fine even in our full sun.  .....





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Care and Feeding of Purple Coneflower

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:56:03 -0400

--------

I have also ordered from them.  The plants came in good shape.  (No

commercial interest.)

http://www.garden.com

Gail in MD zone 7





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Ongoing

From: PeaceDog <peacedog@ENTERACT.COM>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 16:47:27 -0500

--------

Dear HERBies,



Thanks to those who are trying to find information on



King Solomon Seed

Black Seed



I called Awareness Corp. today, who make Imagine, the product

that has these two ingredients as their first two listed, and here

is what I was told:



King Solomon Seed



It's an "Eastern" herb.  They don't know another name for it.

They can't tell me any names for it now.  A person from "The East"

is coming for a seminar to discuss the herb with them, and I

should call back (toll call) and ask again in the middle of

September.  Then they might have another recognizable name

for it.  Now, though they are selling it, they have no other

information on it that they could give me, according to the person

on the phone.



I stated that I thought it was a little disconcerting to me that

they could not tell me a recognizable name for the herb, which

could allow me to research its properties on my own, and I was not

given any effective reply to my inquiry.



About King Solomon Seed (no other name available), they

stated it was a nutritive tonic, an aphrodisiac, a blood

purifier, and an herb that increased bowel flow.



Black Seed:



Other names for it are:  Black Cohosh

                                        Black Sanke Root



Person on the phone stated that it is used to lower blood pressure,

and is anti-bacterial and anti-fungal, and contains many amino acids,

and potassium and calcium.



Anyone know more about "Black Cohosh" or what King Solomon Seed

might be in terms of an oriental herb?



Thanks, as usual for all your replies and work to investigate this.



PeaceDog





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Ongoing

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:41:27 -0400

--------

> King Solomon Seed

> might be in terms of an oriental herb?



OK.  It might be feasible that they are using the following herb.  They

could have mispelled "seed" for "seal" and printed a million lables.

Sure sounds akin to the theraputic effects you described.  Then again it

may be a totaly different herb all together.  Just thought I would post

this as a POSSIBLE answer to the mystery herb.

------------------------------------

This is from "A Handbook of Chinese Healing Herbs":



SOLOMON'S SEAL:



Plant grows in China, central Asia, and Europe.



Medicinal Part:  Root



Nature:

        Energy:         Neutral

        Flavor:         Sweet

        Affinity:       Kidneys, Spleen



Therapeutic Effects:  tonic; nutrient; demulcent; sedative; cooling;

digestive; stimulates appetite; aphrodisiac; heals broken bones (TMC:

nourishes yin; tonifies energy)



Indications:  impotence; spermatorrhea; frequent urination (male); lack

of appetite; weak digestion; fatigue due to malnutrition; broken bones;

stomach and duodenal ulcers; hypoglycemia (TMC:  empty spleen - and

stomach - energy)



Dosage:  decoction:  6-10 grams, in two doses, on an empty stomach



Contraindications:  Stomach ulcers and bloating; severe congestion



Incompatibles:  none



Remarks:  This herb is also widely used in Ayurvedic medicine, primarily

to restore sexual potency and promote fertility, and as a nutrient tonic

for malnutrition, anemia, chronic wasting diseases, and other conditions

of severe energy depletion.

In Russian foke medicine, the diluted juice of the fresh root has been

used externally to diminish frekles and other skin discolorations.  A

purified extract or tincture of the dried herb is even more effective

for this purpose.  Recent clinical studies conducted at the Academy of

Science in Russia has shown that a decoction of the dried root is also

quite effective in treating stomach and duodenal ulcers.



Wendy

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Ongoing

From: Joy Keeping <keepjoy@HAL-PC.ORG>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 21:17:50 -0500

--------

Hello Everyone,



I found King Solomon's Seal in a wildflower book.  Is this the same

plant you are talking about?





NormNDy Farm wrote:

>

> > King Solomon Seed

> > might be in terms of an oriental herb?

>

> OK.  It might be feasible that they are using the following herb.  They

> could have mispelled "seed" for "seal" and printed a million lables.

> Sure sounds akin to the theraputic effects you described.  Then again it

> may be a totaly different herb all together.  Just thought I would post

> this as a POSSIBLE answer to the mystery herb.

> ------------------------------------

> This is from "A Handbook of Chinese Healing Herbs":

>

> SOLOMON'S SEAL:

>

> Plant grows in China, central Asia, and Europe.

>

> Medicinal Part:  Root

>

> Nature:

>         Energy:         Neutral

>         Flavor:         Sweet

>         Affinity:       Kidneys, Spleen

>

> Therapeutic Effects:  tonic; nutrient; demulcent; sedative; cooling;

> digestive; stimulates appetite; aphrodisiac; heals broken bones (TMC:

> nourishes yin; tonifies energy)

>

> Indications:  impotence; spermatorrhea; frequent urination (male); lack

> of appetite; weak digestion; fatigue due to malnutrition; broken bones;

> stomach and duodenal ulcers; hypoglycemia (TMC:  empty spleen - and

> stomach - energy)

>

> Dosage:  decoction:  6-10 grams, in two doses, on an empty stomach

>

> Contraindications:  Stomach ulcers and bloating; severe congestion

>

> Incompatibles:  none

>

> Remarks:  This herb is also widely used in Ayurvedic medicine, primarily

> to restore sexual potency and promote fertility, and as a nutrient tonic

> for malnutrition, anemia, chronic wasting diseases, and other conditions

> of severe energy depletion.

> In Russian foke medicine, the diluted juice of the fresh root has been

> used externally to diminish frekles and other skin discolorations.  A

> purified extract or tincture of the dried herb is even more effective

> for this purpose.  Recent clinical studies conducted at the Academy of

> Science in Russia has shown that a decoction of the dried root is also

> quite effective in treating stomach and duodenal ulcers.

>

> Wendy

> --

> NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Ongoing

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:41:45 -0400

--------

Joy Keeping wrote:

>

> Hello Everyone,

>

> I found King Solomon's Seal in a wildflower book.  Is this the same

> plant you are talking about?



Oops, I forgot to use the latin name for the Soloman's Seal I found in

my Chinese Herbs book.  It is Polygonatum officinale.



My Eastern/Central North American plant book lists Soloman's Seal as

Polygonatum biflorum.



Perhaps, it is the same wildflower in your book.



Wendy.

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Ongoing

From: Silver Sage <ssage@IDYLLWILD.COM>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:39:37 -0700

--------

Black Cohosh is used by many women to treat menopausal

discomforts, and menstrual problems, it is also used to relieve

water retnention, as an expectorant to clear mucus from the

respiratory system.  It is an astringent, sedative and a

menstrual promoter.  Because of it's estrogenic effects is may

play a role in slowing the growth of prostate tumors.  It can

reduce blood pressure by it's peripheral vasodilation effects.

It has anti-inflammatory properties, and has been successfully

used to allieviate deep muscle pain and the pain of arthritis.



Too much can cause dizziness, light-headedness, nausea,

diarrhea, abdominal pain, vomiting, visual dimness, headache,

tremors, joint pains, and depressed heart rate.  The

estrogen-like component may act like estrogen itself and

contribute to liver problems and abnormal blood clotting, as

well as promoting certain types of breast lumps.  This herb

should not be used by pregnant women or anyone with heart

disease.  Do not use this herb if you are taking sedatives,

blood pressure meds, birth control pills, or postmenopausal

estrogen.



This herb should be used with caution, but it can and has been

very effective for many people.  Just know what it is being used

for, whether you have any conditions that may contraindicate

it's use, and pay attention to how you feel when you are taking

it.



I certainly would NOT take anything that the manufacturer

couldn't identify for me!!!  I would ask them for the LATIN or

BOTANICAL name for the herb, and if they couldn't supply it,

there's no telling what they are trying to scam you with!



Blessings,

Silver Sage (ssage@idyllwild.com)



Dances with Herbs for all your herbal needs!

http://www.idyl.com/shops/dancesh.htm



Silver Sage: The Outrageous Herb Lady, history

lore, recipes, articles and more.

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/8300







----------

> From: PeaceDog <peacedog@ENTERACT.COM>



snip



>

> I called Awareness Corp. today, who make Imagine, the product

> that has these two ingredients as their first two listed, and

here

> is what I was told:

>

> King Solomon Seed

>

> It's an "Eastern" herb.  They don't know another name for it.



snip



>

> About King Solomon Seed (no other name available), they

> stated it was a nutritive tonic, an aphrodisiac, a blood

> purifier, and an herb that increased bowel flow.

>

> Black Seed:

>

> Other names for it are:  Black Cohosh

>                                         Black Sanke Root





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Ongoing

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:43:19 -0800

--------

>

>I certainly would NOT take anything that the manufacturer

>couldn't identify for me!!!  I would ask them for the LATIN or

>BOTANICAL name for the herb, and if they couldn't supply it,

>there's no telling what they are trying to scam you with!

>

>Blessings,

>Silver Sage (ssage@idyllwild.com)

>

>

I second this advice.  The only reason I can figure they wouldn't properly

identify an ingredient is to SCAM you.  $70 for a combination such as this

is an incredible scam.  You can buy almost a pound of each of the

ingredients in this for probably less and encapsulate them yourself.  DON'T

trust a company that won't come clean with you.  I wouldn't touch this

company with a ten foot pole.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

"...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

and water humours."

William Cole, 1656

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: King Solomon Seed and Black Seed--Ongoing

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:43:23 -0800

--------

At 04:47 PM 9/2/97 -0500, PeaceDog wrote:

>Dear HERBies,

>

>Thanks to those who are trying to find information on

>

>King Solomon Seed

>Black Seed

>

>I called Awareness Corp. today, who make Imagine, the product

>that has these two ingredients as their first two listed, and here

>is what I was told:

>

>King Solomon Seed

>

>It's an "Eastern" herb.  They don't know another name for it.

>They can't tell me any names for it now.  A person from "The East"

>is coming for a seminar to discuss the herb with them, and I

>should call back (toll call) and ask again in the middle of

>September.  Then they might have another recognizable name

>for it.  Now, though they are selling it, they have no other

>information on it that they could give me, according to the person

>on the phone.



What a crock of bull pucky.  They're selling something they don't know

anything about?????  Not likely.  They're putting you off.  They have

nothing special or unique.  They're charging mega-bucks for something that

is easily duplicated --- THAT'S whay you aren't getting any answers.  Stay

away from this bunch.  They're more interested in your money than anything

else.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

"...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

and water humours."

William Cole, 1656

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: overcoming nervousness

From: Karen Martin <klmartin@DEAKIN.EDU.AU>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 10:39:35 +1100

--------

Arthur,

In my practice I have seen a number of people with a similar problem to

yours, although their circumstances are different (I have not seen a pistol

shooter).



In my opinion the best herb to assist you would be Kava (Piper

methysticum).  Keep the dose fairly low - more is not better, and in fact

higher doses can sometimes make people sleepy.  This will also work quite

well acutely, rather than having to take it all the time you could just

take a dose before the competition starts.



In my practice I would use a standardised tablet containing 1.8g Kava root,

standardised to 60mg Kava lactones.  One dose in your case would be one

tablet.  If you prefer (as many people on this list do) to use whole herb,

perhaps as an infusion, you should experiment with the quantity to see what

suits you.



Before anyone flames me for suggesting a standardised extract let me just

say hat the majority of herbs that I use are whole herb extracts.  But in a

case where the client needs to closely monitor the dosage I will sometimes

use standardised.  This way I know how much is in it without estimating.



I hope you find this of some assistance

Karen Martin ND

klmartin@deakin.edu.au





>My problem arises from my love of competition.  I have been a member of a

>pistol team for 6 years.  Since the very beginning I have taken notice

>that my practice scores are ALWAYS better than the competition scores.

>This also affects just about ev

>ery other member of the teams that I belong to.



>I have tried meditation, relaxation tapes, read books on self hypnosis

>and the symptoms of being nervous (& therefore shaky) is  still with me.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs and M.D.'s

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:12:06 -0400

--------

Also I am perimenopausal, with hot flashes and nasty Pms!





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs and M.D.'s

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:17:11 -0400

--------

Hi, this is Debra with the chronic pancreastitis, going to the GYNO, tomorrow

to ask this questions, I have been using a Wild Yam creme that has herbs and

progestrone in it and was worried it would effect the pancrease, I am being

tested for low blood sugar next week. Hope this helps with more needed info.

 Thanks for all your help!!!!





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs and M.D.'s

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 16:33:02 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

Also I am perimenopausal, with hot flashes and nasty Pms!

I ADD:

See Michael Moore's web site for two really effective formulas,

one for early menopause and one for late menopause.  Also good stuff for PMS.



MM's homepage      http:\\chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE

the formulas are under Herbal Formulas For Clinic and Home 5.3 and 5.4

KB





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs and M.D.'s

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 10:43:22 -0800

--------

At 11:12 PM 9/2/97 -0400, MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM wrote:

>Also I am perimenopausal, with hot flashes and nasty Pms!

>

>

Vitex-agnus-castus is excellent for this.  A good combination is:

                Vitex agnus-castis              2 parts

                Hypericum perforatum            1 part

                Senecio aureus          1 part

        to 5 ml 0f tincture taken three times a day



 for menopausal symptoms with anxiety and tachycardia ~

                Vitex agnus-castis              2 parts

                Leonurus cardiaca               2 parts

                Hypericum perforatum            1 part

                Cimicifuga racemosa             1 part

                Senecio aureus          1 part

   to 5 ml of tincture  taken three times a day



A competent herbalist should be able to give you a prescription designed

for you, to attend the symptoms you have.  To this, I'd also add a daily

supplement of Calcium (500-1000mg) with magnesium, vitamin D, Zinc and

Selenium to help replentish bones.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

"...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

and water humours."

William Cole, 1656

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs and M.D.'s

From: eLiNoR <alandel@NETSKI.NET.AU>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:32:26 +1000

--------

During my studies in Herbal Medicine and Naturopathy here in Australia, I

was taught that the most effective way of using Vitex is to take it first

thing in the morning upon rising, on it's own - it should never be mixed in

a formula.



I have quite a few reference notes that also say this.



Elinor

alandel@netski.net.au





> >SNIP<<

> Vitex-agnus-castus is excellent for this.  A good combination is:

>                 Vitex agnus-castis              2 parts

>                 Hypericum perforatum            1 part

>                 Senecio aureus          1 part

>         to 5 ml 0f tincture taken three times a day

>

>  for menopausal symptoms with anxiety and tachycardia ~

>                 Vitex agnus-castis              2 parts

>                 Leonurus cardiaca               2 parts

>                 Hypericum perforatum            1 part

>                 Cimicifuga racemosa             1 part

>                 Senecio aureus          1 part

>    to 5 ml of tincture  taken three times a day

>

> A competent herbalist should be able to give you a prescription designed

> for you, to attend the symptoms you have.  To this, I'd also add a daily

> supplement of Calcium (500-1000mg) with magnesium, vitamin D, Zinc and

> Selenium to help replentish bones.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Rheum palmatum, Turkey Rhubarb:

> "...is effective for the liver that it is called the life,

> soul and treacle of the liver, purging,...choler, phlegme,

> and water humours."

> William Cole, 1656

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs and M.D.'s

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 08:00:08 -0800

--------

At 08:32 AM 9/10/97 +1000, eLiNoR wrote:

>During my studies in Herbal Medicine and Naturopathy here in Australia, I

>was taught that the most effective way of using Vitex is to take it first

>thing in the morning upon rising, on it's own - it should never be mixed in

>a formula.

>

>I have quite a few reference notes that also say this.

>

>Elinor

>alandel@netski.net.au

>

>

>

Interesting.  Do you have notes saying WHY it should not be used in a

combination?  I know several competent herbalists who routinely use this in

combinations with good results.  I'd like to know more.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs and M.D.'s

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:45:10 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

... I was taught that the most effective way of using Vitex is to take it first thing in the morning upon rising, on it's own - it should never be mixed in a formula.  I have quite a few reference notes that also say this.



I ADD:

Could you post your citations for the reference notes with regards to this, please.

KB





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs and M.D.'s

From: eLiNoR <alandel@NETSKI.NET.AU>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:14:27 +1000

--------

I knew somebody would ask me that.



Please bear with me, I've just moved house and am still searching for my

books and notes, so will get back to you on this.



El.

----------

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs and M.D.'s

Date: Wednesday, 10 September 1997 11:45



YOU WROTE:

... I was taught that the most effective way of using Vitex is to take it

first thing in the morning upon rising, on it's own - it should never be

mixed in a formula.  I have quite a few reference notes that also say this.



I ADD:

Could you post your citations for the reference notes with regards to this,

please.

KB



----------





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Any recommendations: hormones/depression

From: Sharon Wampler <sharon@AMUG.ORG>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 21:01:53 -0700

--------

Anybody got any simple suggestions for what may be depression; last 6

months have been incredibly stressful. But I am suspecting it may be

hormonal fluctuations since I just turned 50. Don't wanna do a drug

thing.......



Actually, it's probably both. History of depression on and off and now the

stress level plus pre-menopause is probably making it worse.....





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: September HerbNET

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 02:17:41 -0400

--------

This month in our Magazine section of HerbNET (http://www.herbnet.com) our

Medicinal Herb is Hawthorne, Culinary Herb is Rosemary , Spice is Poppy,

 Essential Oil is Rosemary; and the Edible Flower is Calendula.  We're trying

to be responsive to suggestions from readers and we're now including the

Chinese and Japanese names of the herbs (if I can find them).  And there's

also an article by Carole McCray on harvesting herbs.  And when you check out

the Magazine...be sure to read my letter especially about the Shamanic trip

to Peru.



We've been trying to update the various areas like Association, Herb Press

and Herb University, so you'll see a lot of changes there.  Also be sure to

check out our other site: http://www.hgmn.com  That's our herb business site

along with HerbWorld in HerbNET.  We've got lots of new features there too.

 We've also got our Herbal Green Pages Online....a very abbreviated version

of our fantastic resource guide (hard to put 350+ pages online in very small

type).  And there's also our Herb Speaker Bureau.



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network

HERBWORLD@aol.com

http://www.herbnet.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep Throat (Penicillium)

From: Jim Kami <jakami@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Date: Tue, 2 Sep 1997 23:46:17 -0700

--------

At 06:08 PM 9/2/97 -0400, you wrote:

>What about the fungus Pencillium?



     Yes this is the organism that produces penicillin, molds are a type of

fungi, as are yeasts and mushrooms. If your asking about using the whole

mold as an antibiotic it works out like this; Assuming you are prepared to

culture the mold under the nessesary sterile conditions and you can obtain a

commercial strain you can expect a yeild of about 5% penicillin by weight

under optimal conditions. (Wild type varieties yeild about 0.1% or less). An

adult dose is usually about 500 milligrams (1/2 gram) 3 times a day

depending on the condition and the adult. This means you need about 5 gms

dry weight of fungus 3 times a day. Wet weight is about 50 gms (fungi are

about 90% water). You would need to produce about 1.5 kilograms of fungus

for the usual 10 day treatment. This means choking down about 2 ounces, say

a quarter cup volume, 3 times a day for ten days. I say choking because I

don't imagine this stuff tastes very good. Also penicillin is rather

unstable and loses potency quickly if not handled and stored correctly.

Sorry, but I think I would prefer spending the $10 - $15 for the purified

penicillin in pills and just have done with it.



And now back to herbs,



Jim Kami





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: white flies

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:50:29 -0400

--------

I have a small infestation of white flies.  What is the best way to get rid

of them.  They are in the herb garden so I can use insectacides.  And not

sure about soapy water either.   Help!



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies

From: "Jeff E. Kinzli" <kinzli@CISCO.COM>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 14:34:05 -0700

--------

On Sep 3,  9:50am, Mary Lu wrote:

> I have a small infestation of white flies.  What is the best way to get rid

> of them.  They are in the herb garden so I can use insectacides.  And not

> sure about soapy water either.   Help!



        I've had great luck getting rid of white flies by mixing soap and

vegetable oil together with some water and spraying it on the plants...



        Check out:



        http://www.pressdemo.com/garden/ails7.html



        -Jeff



--

Jeff E. Kinzli

kinzli@cisco.com

Cisco Systems, Inc.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 06:14:24 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

I have a small infestation of white flies.  What is the best way to get rid of them.  They are in the herb garden so I can not use insecticides.  And not sure about soapy water either.   Help!



I ADD:

Safer's insectacidal soap (no commercial interest) will work well and is nontoxic to warm blooded creatures.  Is O.K. by organic standards

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies

From: "Stephen J. Marsden" <smarsden@MAIL.ORION.ORG>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 09:32:18 -0500

--------

On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Kathryn Bensinger wrote:



> YOU WROTE:

> I have a small infestation of white flies.  What is the best way to get rid of them.  They are in the herb garden so I can not use insecticides.  And not sure about soapy water either.   Help!

>

> I ADD:

> Safer's insectacidal soap (no commercial interest) will work well and is nontoxic to warm blooded creatures.  Is O.K. by organic standards

> KB



I use Cayenne Pepper sauce about 1 tsp to a pint of water, add 2 drops of

dish soap as a water spreader.  Be sure to cover the undersides of the

leaves as well as the tops.  Beneficial Insects like Lady Bugs work also.



Thanks, Steve Marsden

http://www.HerbalAdvantage.com

Bulk Herbs, Spices, and Beneficial Insects





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Amyloidosis

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 09:57:16 -0400

--------

My Aunt has finally been diagnosed with Amyloidosis.  Does anyone know

anything about this disease?  And...are there any herbs that could help?  TIA





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Amyloidosis

From: Bob Lang <Rowanduck@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:51:24 -0400

--------

I've read some quiries about amyloidosis on the list, unforetunately; I

deleted them and I don't recall the specific question. In regards to the use

of herbs in the treatment of amyloidosis: Colchicine an extract of the Autumn

Crocus (Colchicum autumnale) has been found in a double-blind controlled

study using mice which have a form of amyloidosis, to be effective. I

understand that colchicine is also prescribed by the medical establishment

for human amyloidosis. It should be noted that the Autumn Crocus is a

poisonous plant and ingestion of the plant has been noted to cause death. I

do not know how the active igredient is extracted and prepared, nor am I

aware of the use of other plants which reduce the inflamatory response for

the treatment of amyloidosis.



Let me describe my understanding of the illness, maybe other herbalists will

have suggestions for possible herbal therapy. Amyloidosis is a disease caused

by the deposition of Amyloid. Amyloids are proteins, the exact biochemical

strutures of which have been detailed. This relatively rare illness was first

described in 1854, and the pathology of the illness has been well worked out.

There are many forms of amyloidosis; some are secondary to an underlying

illness and the amyloid is probably a byproduct of the inflamatory response,

e.g. Tuberculosis, Leprosy, Rheumatoid Arthritis, etc.; there are multiple

hereditary forms which genetically are autosomal dominant; some are do to

underlying cancers esp. Multiple Myeloma, and then there is a large group of

so-called primary Amyloidosis. The latter group, is the most common and the

most severe, death usually results  1 to 4 years after the illness is

reconized and is caused by the deposition of amyloid in the heart and kidney.

Death results from heart failure and kidney failure. Although every organ of

the body is affected. Stratagies for treatment include: slowing the

deposition of the protein (centering around blunting the inflamatory

reponse), this is where colchicine is thought to work, anti-cancer agents

have also been tried. Breaking down the protein that has already been

deposited. Medical treatment for this illness remains very unsatisfactory and

is usually directed at treating the complications of the illness, e.g. heart

failure or kidney failure.



Bob Lang

Omaha, Ne





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Amyloidosis

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:47:48 -0400

--------

Thank you for your explanation.  My Aunt has the primary amyloidosis.  She is

on constant medication from an IV drip at the moment.  The Dr. has said that

she will die soon.  She might last a couple of weeks or months but he is

expecting it sooner.  I guess any knowledge/help will be too late for her.

Gail Beynon





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Amyloidosis

From: emapeel <emapeel@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:39:39 -0700

--------

does this condition have a partner disease called PAN (periarteritis

nodoza)?  this is an auto immune disease which primarily affects the

large organs of the body: liver, kidneys, heart, and due to some unknown

source of inflamation it causes the blood supply to these organs to be

cut off causing tissue death and as a result, these organs die...which

is what brings on death....  the brief description of this amyloidosis

resembles that of PAN and i was wondering what herbal medicines would

help in the discomforts.



thanks!

dawne





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Houston Area Native Plant/Herb Nursery

From: Faith Shaffer <fshaffer@GATOR1.BRAZOSPORT.CC.TX.US>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 11:21:30 -0500

--------

In a response to William, Joy says:



>I think that I must live fairly close to you.  I live in Pecan Grove

>outside Richmond.  



>Where do you get your plants?  I have been wanting some lemon

>verbena and scented geraniums.



I live in the Brazosport area, about 45 minutes from Houston.  I think the BEST place in Houston to get native plants is Buchanan's Nursery.  It is located off Studemont (or Studewood - same thing) on 11th street, about 3 blocks west of Studemont.  If you go straight up Montrose it will turn into Studemont and cross 11th.  Turn left and it's on the right a couple of blocks down.  Please note that I am not connected with them just passing on juicy info.



They have all kinds of native plants and can sometimes order items not in stock for you.  Lemon verbena and scented geraniums are pretty standard herbs, so I feel sure they will have them.  They also have aquatic plants, and garden art, such as bird feeders, wall plaques, books, etc.



Hope this is new info to you...



Peace - Faith

skinks@bigfoot.com

http://www.brazosport.cc.tx.us/~fshaffer





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Migraguel for Migraines

From: Laurie Powers <LPowers506@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 3 Sep 1997 17:07:07 -0400

--------

Has anyone heard of the product Migraguel by Nature Sunshine. It is supposed

to be effective for migraines?



Thanks...Laurie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies  CORRECTION!!!

From: "k.wisniewski" <k.wisniewski@MDR.ORG>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:30:59 U

--------

You can try filling up a spray bottle with water.  Crush 2 whole garlic heads

and let it steep in the water for one to two days.  Strain out the garlic then

spray the plants.  Bugs hate the smell of garlic.  Also, a friend of mine is

using a mixture of cayenne pepper and water with good results.



Kim Wisniewski RD





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: white flies  CORRECTION!!!

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:47:07 -0400

--------

I have a small infestation of white flies.  What is the best way to get rid

of them.  They are in the herb garden so I can use insectacides.  And not

sure about soapy water either.   Help!





I typed can use, I meant can't use insectacides!



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies  CORRECTION!!!

From: Don <dr2@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:50:36 -0400

--------

Yo Sexy....



I use Schultz's product....it's fairly natural, uses pyrethrins (sp?) and

is green to the ecology...



AND, I ALWAYS wash off my herbs before using them....birds like to target

my orageno now and then...:)



Don in DC metro....



On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Mary Lu wrote:



> I have a small infestation of white flies.  What is the best way to get rid

> of them.  They are in the herb garden so I can use insectacides.  And not

> sure about soapy water either.   Help!

>

>

> I typed can use, I meant can't use insectacides!

>

> Mary Lu

>

> If you can not lose, then you can not win!

>

> http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

> http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

> http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies  CORRECTION!!!

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 13:59:46 -0400

--------

Mary Lou,



Try a Rue tea steeped from boiling water for at least 30 minutes  - After

cooled it should be sprayed over the affected plants or anything else you

don't want to have eaten.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies  CORRECTION!!!

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:47:54 -0400

--------

>Mary Lou,

>

>Try a Rue tea steeped from boiling water for at least 30 minutes  - After

>cooled it should be sprayed over the affected plants or anything else you

>don't want to have eaten.

>



I have fresh rue growing very close to the verbena.  How much rue should I

use per how much water?



TIA



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies  CORRECTION!!!

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:56:16 -0400

--------

>You can try filling up a spray bottle with water.  Crush 2 whole garlic heads

>and let it steep in the water for one to two days.  Strain out the garlic then

>spray the plants.  Bugs hate the smell of garlic.  Also, a friend of mine is

>using a mixture of cayenne pepper and water with good results.



As a chile head, I have tons of both.  I'll try that!

>

>Kim Wisniewski RD

>



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies  CORRECTION!!!

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:30:17 -0400

--------

Does Rue help Verbena?  (By growing close to it I mean.)  I have lemon

verbena, rue and lemon balm all pretty close to each other.  The lemon balm

did not do well this year and the verbena is just getting started.



Gail in Maryland, USA

beynong@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/beynong/

Zone 7





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies  CORRECTION!!!

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 16:59:19 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-04 14:34:03 EDT, k.wisniewski@MDR.ORG writes:



<< You can try filling up a spray bottle with water.  Crush 2 whole garlic

heads

 and let it steep in the water for one to two days.  Strain out the garlic

then

 spray the plants.  Bugs hate the smell of garlic.  Also, a friend of mine is

 using a mixture of cayenne pepper and water with good results.

  >>



I have also heard that steeping a couple tablespoons of tobacco in a gallon

of water for a week and then adding a teaspoon of dishwashing detergent is a

good insecticide. I don't know about the interaction of the tobacco

constituents on plants meant to be ingested, though. Does anyone have a

thought on this?

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies  CORRECTION!!!

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 17:20:53 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

.. steeping a couple tablespoons of tobacco in a gallon of water for a week and then adding a teaspoon of dishwashing detergent is a good insecticide. I don't know about the interaction of the tobacco constituents on plants meant to be ingested, though. Does anyone have a thought on this?



I ADD: 

Tobacco is a very powerful insecticide.  It's use disqualifies you for organic certification in all the certification programs that I am aware of.  Ingesting one ciggarette's worth of tobacco can kill a small child.  DO NOT USE ON EDIBLES.

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hi

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 12:30:22 -0700

--------

Hello, my name is Paula and I'm new to the list.  I am extremely interested in

herbology and how it can help the body.  I think western medicine is really

missing the mark in treating people and I know I am hungary for knowledge.  I

look forward to all your posts and hope to learn alot about you and herbs.  I am

specifically interested in herbs relating to weight loss, joints and tendons,

memory and energy.  I am familiar with ginko for the mind and arnica, but I am

sure there are others.  Anyone here into accupuncture and massage.  I love

those.  I had the sore heal thing and after one treatment in accupuncture, I

haven't felt any pain in a week!  I am so excited about all this stuff I have

been missing out on.



Paula

CA





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hi

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:22:58 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-04 17:01:54 EDT, you write:



<<  I am so excited about all this stuff I have

 been missing out on.



 Paula

 CA >>



 And so the journey begins - the further down this road you travel - the more

you will find that there is no end to it - but millions of wonderful things

to marvel at with each turn in the road.



The plants will guide you and Mother Earth will thank you in a thousand

different ways.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hi

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:41:23 -0800

--------

At 12:30 PM 9/4/97 -0700, Paula Warner wrote:

>Hello, my name is Paula and I'm new to the list.  I am extremely

interested in

>herbology and how it can help the body.  I think western medicine is really

>missing the mark in treating people and I know I am hungary for knowledge.  I

>look forward to all your posts and hope to learn alot about you and herbs.

 I am

>specifically interested in herbs relating to weight loss, joints and tendons,

>memory and energy.



All of these afflictions may be related to dampness and depletion.  There's

many herbs to attend to this but of course more specific information would

be needed.



 I am familiar with ginko for the mind and arnica, but I am

>sure there are others.  Anyone here into accupuncture and massage.  I love

>those.  I had the sore heal thing and after one treatment in accupuncture, I

>haven't felt any pain in a week!  I am so excited about all this stuff I have

>been missing out on.

>

>Paula

>CA

>

>

Acupuncture and massage make good adjuncts to herbal remedies.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Valeriana

From: john FOSTER <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 14:41:23 -0500

--------

I am trying to find a herb. I have seen it referred to as Valeriana mexicana, also Valeriana edulis. I would prefer to but it by the pound and tincture myself, but if I can't find it that way already tinctured would be my second choice. If anyone knows where this herb can be purchased I would be grateful for the info. Thanks  john    jfoster@ebicon.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gall Stones

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 19:59:07 -0400

--------

Hi all,



I have a friend who recently found out she had 4 large gall stones--and, of

course, they want to remove the gall bladder.  (Anyone know what the

resultant problems are after removal?) She went for another complaint and the

gall stones are not causing any pain.



The book I have says you can use 3 tbs of olive oil with the juice of a lemon

before bed and pass many stones in the stool. Does this mean one time or

nightly--and will it work on large stones? It also suggests castor oil packs

on the gall bladder? And says to avoid surgery if the stones are pain

free????



Thanks for your comments and suggestions?



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gall Stones

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 18:04:12 -0700

--------

At 07:59 PM 9/4/97 -0400, Kathy wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>I have a friend who recently found out she had 4 large gall stones--and, of

>course, they want to remove the gall bladder.   (Anyone know what the

>resultant problems are after removal?) She went for another complaint and the

>gall stones are not causing any pain.



IMHO> Any surgery has the potential for complications of one sort or another.

      Gall bladder surgery is not easy, by any stretch of the imagination.

      The gall bladder secretes bile into the digestive tract which aids

      in the digestion of fatty foods.  A diet alteration would most likely

      be in order post operatively.



>The book I have says you can use 3 tbs of olive oil with the juice of a lemon

>before bed and pass many stones in the stool.



IMHO> The body sees the olive oil as a large fatty meal which needs to

      be digested. The gall bladder contracts in order to force additional

      bile into the intestine.  Supposedly this also forces stones out of

      gall bladder and into the intestine where they are eventually

      eliminated in the stool.  If this happens, all well and good.

      HOWEVER, suppose the one or more stones is just about the same

      size or even slightly larger than the bile duct it needs to pass

      through to get into the intestine.  The stone could very easily

      *hang up* in the duct.  Now, you DO have a problem.  From what

      I've seen, the pain can be quite intense.



      If any of you have passed a kidney stone, you can probably

      appreciate the comparison.



      And if you do make it through that episode intact.

      It is possible to develop jaundice because the bile duct

      is now obstructed and there is no way for

      excess bile to be drained away.



>And says to avoid surgery if the stones are pain free????



IMHO> I tend to agree with your book.  My own basic philosophy is-

      If it's not broken, don't fix it.



BTW>  I'm not an MD.  X-Ray/CAT Scan Tech for many, many moons.

      This is an area which needs some careful consideration.

      Your friend needs to have a *heart to heart* with her Dr.

      Second opinions are in order.  But in the end, your friend

      still needs to be the one to decide.



e-mail me personally, if you have further questions.



Sam Brooks

HerbInfo Listowner

sbrooks@earthlink.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gall Stones

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:41:30 -0800

--------

At 07:59 PM 9/4/97 -0400, Kathy Lingo wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>I have a friend who recently found out she had 4 large gall stones--and, of

>course, they want to remove the gall bladder.  (Anyone know what the

>resultant problems are after removal?) She went for another complaint and the

>gall stones are not causing any pain.



For gall stones, believe it or not, parsley juice is helpful.  It can

actually reduce the size of stones allowing them to pass.



>

>The book I have says you can use 3 tbs of olive oil with the juice of a lemon

>before bed and pass many stones in the stool. Does this mean one time or

>nightly--and will it work on large stones? It also suggests castor oil packs

>on the gall bladder? And says to avoid surgery if the stones are pain

>free????

>

>Thanks for your comments and suggestions?

>

>Wishing you all the best,

>

>Kathy

>

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gall Stones

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:50:21 -0700

--------

Anita Hales said;



>For gall stones, believe it or not, parsley juice is helpful.  It can

>actually reduce the size of stones allowing them to pass.



Hi,



Are you trying to tell me that someone actually got in there

and measured those little buggers, before and after the

administration of parsley juice.?  If so, sure would appreciate

you pointing in the direction of the documentation/report.



TIA



Sam





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gall Stones

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:14:09 -0700

--------

Hi

I was looking to see if someone would post the instructions

for gall bladder cleanse.  I have done it successfully several

times.  If there are not objections, I'll the guidelines to list,

otherwise let me know, and I'll "e" it privately.  (No commercial

interest)

claudia

--

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / Home Page

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

How Herbs Found Us





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gall Stones

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 00:19:18 -0700

--------

Hi Morgan



Here are the instructions you were interested in regarding

cleansing gall bladder/liver:



Regarding directions on how to cleanse gall bladder, liver, etc.

I have done this many times (not recently, would probably be

a good idea to do again) and because of it, still have my gall

bladder.  Passed many little fat/cholesterol "stones" and even

a bit of broken down calcium stone one time.  Here is what I

did, and, yes, there are variations (I am not a doctor, this is

my experience):



For 5-6 days, eat a regular diet, but drink 1/2 gallon of apple

juice throughout the day.  You can also purchase a can of

frozen concentrated apple juice and "eat" it throughout the day,

or drink in a more concentrated form than 1/2 gallon, just as long

as you take the full can.  I have also used beet juice tablets

(lots, and most often available through an alternative health

care provider, Standard Process makes them) and Malic Acid tablets

(I didn't care for them, burned, although it is the Malic Acid

in the apple juice that is doing the work, I think)  Apple Juice

is the least expensive, more readily available choice. These

things increase the production of bile and it's flow through

the gall bladder, softening the "stones" for easier passage.



On the 6th or 7th day, eat breakfast and lunch, fast after lunch.

A couple hours after lunch, use epsom salts or cascara in purgative

amount.  Do that again a couple hours later.  This will clear out

the digestive tract, making it ready for the "flush".  You can eat

a little citrus fruit at the evening meal, if you wish, but I prefer

to drink juice.



At bedtime, drink 1/2 c fresh squeezed lemon juice and 1/3-1/2 c

virgin olive oil.  I shake the two together, drink fast, and lie

down on your right side quickly, as the oil will tend to want to

come up.  Lie with your right leg comfortably bent up towards

chest - this helps keep things relaxed in area of bile ducts, etc.

You may sleep right through the whole thing, or you may wake up

in a few hours feeling quite nauseous and uncomfortable.  It varies.

Not uncommon to have attack of nausea and diarrhea, etc.  If you

can keep the oil/lemon juice down for 5 or so hours, it will

probably work. Contact me if you want me to describe an acupressure

point that will help with nausea.



Do an enema in the morning, and you will see the results of your work.

I was completely amazed the first time I did this, it was the turning

point for me - validated alternative approaches to medicine.  If you

see nothing, repeat in two weeks.



This is a bit stressful on the body, so

be sure to support yourself nutritionally and with supplements.  This is

also a pretty intensive flush, by using lesser amounts of everything,

it can be more mild, but not as effective as quickly.  My concern

has always been that there would be something too large to pass through

the ducts.  The ducts are surprisingly elastic, but if you are

concerned, you may want to have an ultrasound done.  Wouldn't tell

your doctor why, though, unless he is open to alternatives to medical

approach.



Again, I'm not a doctor, this has been my experience.  Hope it helps.



As for discomfort from reflux that often accompanies gall bladder

and other digestive problems, shake some bulk, powdered slippery

elm, a couple teaspoons full into water (doesn't like to mix, so

shake well) and drink.  It will coat the esophagus and absorb the

acids.  Take a few catnip capsules (meow<g>) 1/2 hour before meals.

This is also helpful when hiatal hernia is a problem.



Hope this helps someone.

Take care,

claudia

--

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / Home Page

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

How Herbs Found Us / 450+ Herbals, etc. / (973)697-8152





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gall Stones

From: Carol Wolther <Cwolther@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:18:23 -0400

--------

I would like to see the instructions for the gall bladder cleanse.  Please

e-mail if you don't post to the list.   Thanks.

cwolther@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gall Stones

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 09:14:55 -0400

--------

>I would like to see the instructions for the gall bladder cleanse.  Please

>e-mail if you don't post to the list.   Thanks.

>cwolther@aol.com

three tablesppons of olive oil before bed in the juice of one whole

lemon.This recipe came from a book called Nutritional Healing by Balch(no

commercial interest).Lisa



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Combination Formulas (was King Solomon Seed and Black Seed)

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:41:52 -0400

--------

Anita Hales wrote:



> What a crock of bull pucky.  They're selling something they don't know

> anything about?????  Not likely.  They're putting you off.  They have

> nothing special or unique.  They're charging mega-bucks for something

> that

> is easily duplicated --- THAT'S whay you aren't getting any answers.

> Stay

> away from this bunch.  They're more interested in your money than

> anything

> else.



I would like to point out that although this company sounds highly

direputable and irresponsible that I have to believe that some companies

make good, responsible combo formulas.



I just got interested in herbs this spring and I will say that the

majority of my first purchases were combination formulas.  I didn't know

enough to make my own choices and reading throught the herbal books that

I had offered too many options.  As I study and learn more I feel more

comfortable with the individual herbs and their uses.



I just wanted to point out that taking combos was a good starting point

for me and peaked my interest in the individual herb enough to find out

more.  And sometimes you just gotta trust others good intentions.

Unfortunately, the company refered to here is not one of them.



A special thanks to the people who posted Michael Moore's homepage

address.  A wealth of information!!



Wendy.

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies - Rue - amount

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 23:13:16 -0400

--------

Mary Lou

If it is fresh - put a cup of herb chopped to the quart of water - if dried -

try 1/4 - 1/2 cup of  herb to the quart -

peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies - Rue

From: Engi <engiherb@EYJAR.IS>

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 08:48:56 GMT

--------

Last summer I had quite a lot of whiteflies in my Herb greenhouse. Among the

plants were several 2 feet high Rue plants.



Since they are considered to keep away whiteflies, why is it that they were

almoast covered with whitflie eggs/larvae/imago's ?  I have never seen so

heavily infested plants.



I killed the whiteflies with isecticidal soaps and biological control but

had to throw away my beloved Rue- plants.      ???



Ingolfur G

HengHerbfarm

Iceland





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies--tobacco

From: Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 11:41:14 -0400

--------

In a message dated 9/5/97 1:03:33 AM, you wrote:



>I have also heard that steeping a couple tablespoons of tobacco in a gallon

>of water for a week and then adding a teaspoon of dishwashing detergent is a

>good insecticide. I don't know about the interaction of the tobacco

>constituents on plants meant to be ingested, though. Does anyone have a

>thought on this?

>~~Anne



Wash your food plants before eating, after treatment with tobacco/water-based

sprays. It will rinse off.



I have also heard that one should not use tobacco on or near any plants from

the Solanum family: potatoes, peppers, eggplants, ornamentals--because the

organisms that attack these plants can be easily spread from commercial

tobacco products. For the same reason, tobacco smokers should always wash

their hands carefully before handling these plants.



Patricia

harperp@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies--tobacco

From: Barbara Honors <Momcat3397@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:20:29 -0400

--------

Specifically, tobacco carries a virus callled the Tobacco Mosaic Virus to

which

all members of the botanical family that includes tomatoes, peppers ,etc. are



susceptible unless you are growing varieties bred to resist it.  These

varieties

are usually listed in catalogs. Unfortunately, all of the resistant varieties

of which

I am aware are hybrids and thus unsuitable for saving your own seed.



To be safe, do not use tobacco products on or near plants that may be

susceptible to TMV and wash your hands before handling your plants if you

have handled

tobacco or tobacco-containing products. Most organizations that certify

organic

gardens will not certify as organic any produce which has had tobacco applied

as an insecticide because it is highly toxic.  If you feel you must use it,

protective

gear is worthwhile.



Barbara Honors

Ethnobotanist/Herbalist

Momcat3397@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: List rules - reply also

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 13:12:06 -0400

--------

> thanks to mary for the info about capsicum. I do have a question about

> borage, I don't have much luck drying the herb, I am worried about the time

> spent in the dehydrator because of the thick leaves.

> idea's?

>

> vic



Maybe try the fridge. Wrap the herb in tulle (wedding veil fabric)

and set in the fridge for a couple of weeks. It is a natural

dehydrator. I don't know too much about the cooking herbs.

I basically eat raw (more or less) foods.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 5 Sep 1997 18:20:42 -0400

--------

I bought Grain alcohol in Maryland.  Can you get grain alcohol?  It's

basically the same as everclear.



Gail in Maryland, USA

beynong@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/beynong/

Zone 7

"If you want to recapture your youth, just cut off his allowance."

 ---  Al Bernstein





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA - rules of the game and helpful hints

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 06:25:29 GMT

--------

Periodical posting:



I am the inofficial listmom for this list, with rights to unsub.



Here are the rules to make our stay on the list enjoyable:



-- Do not post ads. If you do post something endorsing a product the simple

   words 'no commercial interest' will save you (and me) lots of trouble.

   Anyone not adding those words will be asked to produce them; if that doesn't

   happen he/she will be unsub'd.

   There's no need to flame an ad; the poster most probably isn't on the list

   anymore. If he/she was blatant enough he might not even have an account

   anymore - postmasters react fast these days.

   You might wish to debunk the 'information' found in an ad.

-- Do not post flames. If you do you'll be unsub'd. I'm the sole judge of what

   is a flame, and some do get more leeway than others - this depends largely on

   the quality of postings to date.

-  As a tangent:

   We have had enough of flamewars on this list to last us well into the

   year 2070, so flamewars will not be tolerated until that date, at the very

   earliest.

-- Do keep to the subject of the list - we're here to discuss herbs and herbal

   healing. Vitamins, minerals et al as bought in your health food store is

   considered off-topic (these are not herbs).

 - Religions are -also- off-topic, so keep your faith(s) to yourselves.

 - If you continuously post off-topic you'll get a warning; if you do not heed

   this warning you will be unsub'd.

   Follow-ups of off-topic posts is also off-topic, unless you just debunk a

   chainletter (a la good times virus) (usually posted by a newbie with no clue

   about urban legends on the internet).

-- If you offer something to people on the list (free of charge naturally)

   please stress that replies should go to your private email address, -not-

   to the list. !! Remember to add your email address at the bottom of your post

    - not all people can see the headers. !!

-  As a tangent, if you want something that's been offered by somebody on the

   list remember to send your request to the private email address of the person

   offering this 'something'.

-- Attachments are something that some email programs have problems with.

   If you want to know more about it ask the sender by private email what to do

   with it. It's his/her problem to figure out how not to attach garbage to

   their messages - a message saying 'can't read the attachment' is considered

   off-topic.

-- Here's some more topics to avoid:

   - kombucha: The noise level was extremely high due to kombucha way

       back in November/December 1994, until the kombucha folks made

       their own mailing list (which should give you a clue about the

       traffic on kombucha way back then; I'm still allergic to the word.).

   - SBGA (aka spirulina aka super blue green algae): The noise level

       again went thru the roof, due to SBGA, in November/December 1995,

       so we banned the topic altogether.

   - MLM:s (multi-level marketing scheme, like herbalife, or Noni), to prevent

       flareups like the one we had on SBGA.

-- The list is down now and then, usually over a weekend. It's nothing

   to fret about, it'll be up again sooner or later.



If you're completely new to the net go read the newsgroup

   news.announce.newusers to get a feel for how things are done.

If you don't get newsgroups ask your ISP (internet service provider) about that.



Here's some helpful hints:



-- If you wish to unsubscribe send this

     To:      LISTSERV@trearnpc.ege.edu.tr or LISTSERV@vm.ege.edu.tr:

     Subject: anything-you-like-but-better-leave-it-blank (goes for all

              commands to the listserv)

     Text:    UNSUBSCRIBE HERB

-  if that doesn't work ask me (hek@hetta.pp.fi) to unsub you

-  if I'm not in ask the folks at HERB-REQUEST@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR

   (that's the listowners, in Turkey) politely for help

-- If you wonder where your posts went because you don't receive them back

   from the list, try this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB REPRO

   or try

     Text:    SET HERB ACK

-- If you wish the digest form of the herblist send this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB DIGEST

-- If you're going for a holiday and don't want to receive any mail for some

   time send this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB NOMAIL

 - once you're back send this to the listserver:

     Text:    SET HERB MAIL

-- You can get all the commands by sending this to the listserver:

     Text:    INFO REFCARD

-- If you want to check if the list is still alive send this to the listserver:

     Text:    QUERY HERB

-- The archives of the herblist are available in my WWW or FTP space; I edit

   these for duplicates, off-topics and others. You can get the unedited

   versions (for the last 8 or so months) by sending this to the listserv:

     Text:    GET HERB LOG9708 (where 97 is the year and 08 is the month)



-- If you wish to discuss culinary herbs or herb gardening here's the

   list for that (a nice one, too, but dormant in the winter months (northern

   hemisphere)):

     To subscribe, write

       To:      <herbs-l-request@q7.com>

       Subject: <none>

       Text:    subscribe



-- The Medicinal HerbFAQ lists further lists you might wish to subscribe to,

   like HerbInfo, HerbMed, Kombucha, Holistic, Paracelsus, Phytopharmacognosy...



Comments? Please send them to me.



Have fun, and enjoy the list,

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Research basics, was: Re: Neem - Panacea?  LONG!

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 06:52:51 GMT

--------

On Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:07:45 -0700, Darryl Clark <autores@INAME.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Please explain what in vitro testing



In vitro is in a glass. In vivo is in a warm body, and that's what herbalists

look for, because our body does things to substances that a glass never would.

Like throwing acids and enzymes at it, for starters...



The next thing to look for is: did they test on mice? lice? elephants? or

humans? All but humans can basically be discounted out of hand by herbalists;

humans are kind of different from sheep, or pigs, or guinea pigs in their

metabolism and basic chemistry.



The next thing to look for is: did they use the whole plant or just the pure

constituent? All but whole unadulterated plant, prepared in a high-quality

low-tech way (tincture, tea, eating it, decoction, salve, oil, etc., prepared

according to a reliable materia medica) can be discounted out of hand by

herbalists as we deal in low-tech uses of whole plant. Constituents are of

interest to pharmacognosists, and the pharmabusiness, not to us. Additions to

single-plant preparations confuse the issue, and can only be seen as how the

-combination- works; it does -not- reflect single-plant use.



> and subcutaneous injections  are.



Injection under the skin, as opposed to into a vein.



>If the tests are valid using these methods, can the substance be

>administered in these ways also?



The real test of any substance is not research, it is clinical use.



So go to the origin of the neem tree (India or thereabouts, if I remember

correctly) and look up neem in the ayurvedic tradition: when do they use it,

what contraindications do they list, when do they say it's not too smart to use

it, what possible side effects do they list?

(If it wasn't India, there's TCM and -their- tradition for East Asian plants).



>Are any of the claims re: neem verifiable regardless of method?  You should see the original article, I

>cut huge sections out of it just to get my e-mail to swallow it.  Seems

>that even a fraction of the claims being true would be wonderful for

>some folks.  I'ts hard to confirm whats legit though.



As a Rule you can say that if somebody is trying to peddle the stuff on you you

need to discount about 99 % of the claims and 90 % of the research. If it's a

disreputable MLM then the % are 99.99 and 99.9.



As neem is an exotic to the western herbal tradition but not to ayurveda or TCM

you might need to express ayurvedic or TCM usage of the plant in western herbal

terms. Let me know when you're done ;)



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Migraquel for Migraines

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 00:53:56 -0700

--------

Hi, Laurie



I would post privately, but my email doesn't seem to get

through to AOL customers.  My husband uses Migraquel and it

works great for him.  I haven't had the same good results with

others I have given it to, but many do great with it.  We

also had to work to find the cause of his migraines.  It's

late, and I'm tired - email me if I can help you more and

tell you about what we found to be cause of his migraines.

Have a great weekend, claudia.

--

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / Home Page

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

How Herbs Found Us





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Migraquel for Migraines

From: Laurie Powers <LPowers506@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 15:59:45 -0400

--------

Hi Claudia--



Thanks for the info....My migraines are hormonal in addition to having a very

sensitive nervous system. I know all my triggers but the big one is stress

and anxiety. I have had them for over 25 years and have been through the

gambit of the medical world. Basically I am tired of being on pain pills so I

have been experimenting with herbs



I am currently taking a feverfew/lavender/passion flower extract. Iam also

taking St.Johns Wort for depression.



I hate my headaches and that adds to the problem. I heard about Migraquel and

was hoping it would work.

Thanks...Laurie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ATTN NEWBIES: LISTSERV INSTRUCTIONS & HERB List Posting

              Netiquette *LONG*

From: Mary Carter-Johnson <ghjohnson@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:02:29 -0500

--------

Greetings HERB folks,



                             WARNING

                              *****

                       LONG MESSAGE AHEAD!

                        DELETE IF YOU KNOW

                     HOW TO USE THE LISTSERV

                               AND

                   HERB LIST POSTING NETIQUETTE

                              *****

                      YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED





     This document has been created in the interest of helping

those folks who seem to have trouble figuring out where to send

their LISTSERV Administrative Commands, and learning the proper

Netiquette for posting to the HERB List.



          This document is posted by the 7th of each month.



           *************************************************



     Here are the basic rules to keep in mind when you have

subscribed to an e-mail list that uses the LISTSERV software:



(1)  When you are trying to send an administrative command, such as

     SET DIGEST, or SIGNOFF, it should ALWAYS be sent to the

     LISTSERV and NOT to the LIST itself.  If you send this kind of

     command to the list, it will not get done, unless one of the

     List Moderators happens to catch it and respond accordingly.



(2)  The address for sending administrative commands is:

     LISTSERV@VM.EGE.EDU.TR or LISTSERV@TREARN.BITNET



(3)  Here are the Administrative Commands you'll use most often,

     with the listserver software.  Type them in EXACTLY as they

     are worded, or the listserver software may not be able to

     interpret them and will tell you so!

     *** When sending administrative commands, REMEMBER to leave

     the SUBJECT LINE BLANK, or you may run into problems getting

     the computer to accept your commands. (Those folks with AOL

     may have problems leaving the subject line blank, so if you

     are with AOL, you might contact your Tech Support Folks and

     ask what can be done in this situation or simply send your

     request to Henriette Kress, our listmom--see e-mail address in

     (4) below--and ask her to unsub you.)***



     Send the commands to:

     LISTSERV@VM.EGE.EDU.TR or LISTSERV@TREARN.BITNET



     SIGNOFF HERB  (To leave the HERB list)

     SET HERB DIGEST (To get one large posting of all the

     individual posts)

     SET HERB NOMAIL (To temporarily stop receiving mail from the

     HERB list if you're going away for a few days)

     SET HERB MAIL (To start your mail from the HERB list back up

     again)

     SET HERB ACK (To receive acknowledgements of your postings to

     the HERB list)

     SET HERB REPRO (To get a copy of your own message so you can

     see that it was properly distributed to the list)

     QUERY HERB (To check your current settings for how you receive

     mail from this list)

     REVIEW HERB (To see who is subscribed to the list, only those

     who have NOT chosen the *CONCEAL* option will be displayed)

     SET HERB CONCEAL (To keep your name from being listed when

     someone sends the REVIEW HERB Command)

     INFO REFCARD (To get more information on Listserv Commands)

     INDEX HERB (To get an index of UNEDITED HERB List Archives--

     you can get an EDITED version of the archives from

     Henriette's Herbal Homepage, see below for the URL)

     GET HERBLOGxxxx (To get an archive file. Put the year and

     month in place of the x's)

     INFO DATABASE (To get a large file of information on how to

     use the HERB List DATABASE)



(4)  Henriette, our List Mom, does have the ability to UNSUB folks,

     so if you are wanting off the list and having trouble, you may

     want to contact her first, and see if she can help you.

     Henriette's e-mail address is: HEK@HETTA.PP.FI



(5)  If you're still having problems with sending commands, etc.,

     ask the Moderators for help. The Moderators can unsubscribe

     you or whatever, since they have control of the LISTSERV

     software. You will get a confirmation that your message

     was sent to the moderators.  Be patient, as these are very

     busy folks, just like you!



     The Moderators' address is:  HERB-REQUEST@VM.EGE.EDU.TR



    **************************************************************



         Some Basic Netiquette Rules for posting to HERB:



(1)  ALWAYS SIGN YOUR POSTS WITH YOUR NAME AND E-MAIL ADDRESS,

     especially if you are asking folks to contact you with

     specific information. There are those subscribers who have

     e-mail programs that remove all headers from the incoming

     messages, so you if don't sign your message, they won't know

     where it came from and where to send you that important

     information that might just answer your question!



(2)  DO NOT SEND ME TOO MESSAGES TO THE LIST!  If you want

     more information contact the poster privately.  Let's try to

     keep these to a minimum, all of us on the DIGEST format would

     appreciate it!



(3)  CHANGE your SUBJECT HEADINGS accordingly if you are

     changing the topic of the thread.  There have been folks

     posting with subject headings that don't match their messages!

     This can be confusing and annoying for those of us who

     might be following a specific thread and we come across a

     message that doesn't match the subject heading of that thread!



(4)  When responding to a message, DO NOT RE-QUOTE THE ENTIRE

     MESSAGE.   The best thing to do is to manually type in those

     parts of the message which are relevant to your post, if you

     don't know how to use the quoting option on your e-mail

     package.  Those of us on the DIGEST format would appreciate it

     immensely!



(5)  DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS TO THE LIST!  Many folks cannot handle

     large messages, either in cost or in computer memory. And few

     may even have the correct software to "read" an attached file.



     It's useless to send something as an attachment if it no on

     can read it! If you have some information you think others

     might be interested in having, let us know that you have a

     large file of information available, and where to e-mail for

     it.   (Another GOOD reason for being sure to include your NAME

     & E-MAIL ADDRESS at the end of your post!)



(6)  DO NOT SEND PRIVATE MESSAGES TO THE LIST! When you are

     responding to a message check to make sure you have the right

     address in your reply area.  If you just click on REPLY,

     chances are your private message will be posted to the HERB

     list for all to see.  Do you really want everyone reading

     your PRIVATE NON-HERBAL messages?



(7)  THE FOLLOWING ARE CONSIDERED INAPPROPRIATE HERB LIST TOPICS:

     MLM'S, or ANYTHING ELSE NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO MEDICINAL

     HERBS.  (See Henriette's "Administriva"  Post at her Herbal

     Home Page for more OFF TOPIC subjects! Instructions for

     finding your way there are given at the bottom of this

     message.)



(8)  NO ADVERTISING ON THE LIST!  This list is for sharing

     information on HERBS, not selling products, ESPECIALLY MLMS!

     If you do decide to advertise on the list, two things are sure

     to happen:

          (1) You will incur the wrath of Paul I. who will hound

              you until you stop the advertising and/or leave the

              list.



          (2) You WILL be UNSUBSCRIBED by Henriette our List Mom if

              you continue to advertise on the list despite any

              warnings that she may give you.



(9) If you do mention a specific Herbal Product, you MUST include

    a disclaimer stating that you have no financial interest and/or

    are not selling the mentioned product, otherwise it will be

    assumed you are ADVERTISING said product.  Go back and read (8)



    to see what happens to folks who insist on trying to ADVERTISE

    on this list!



(10) There is a Medicinal HerbFAQ located on on Henritette's Home

     Page at: http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediherb.html

     The FAQ contains a large amount of medicinal herb information,



     including books, periodicals and other lists to which you

     might want to subscribe.  Check it out!



     **************************************************************



For more valuable info of this nature, read Henriette Kress'

ADMINISTRAVIA Post, which can be found at Henriette's Herbal

Homepage, which is filled with all sorts of herbal-related goodies!

The URL is: http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



Click on Archives, then click on Rules of the Game for the complete

ADMINISTRAVIA Post, where you'll find lots more useful information

for what is and isn't acceptable for posting on the HERB list, and

so on.



Please excuse the excessive use of bandwidth, but I hope it was

helpful!



I now return you to your regularly scheduled HERB talk!







Mary

GHJOHNSON@MAIL.CLARION.EDU

************************************************

Original Document Created December 8, 1996     *

Revised: May 23, 1997                          *

c1996, 1997 m.e. carter-johnson                *

************************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: hey! and an intro

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 12:17:45 -0400

--------

I've been on for a little while.  I never introduced myself at first.  Some

lists don't like it, some ban it, some don't mind and others want it.  Go

figure.  I have posted and asked questions.  Does that count?  On a friendly

note, I love herbs.  It's kind of been a passion for me to grow them.  I am

just getting into all of their uses and loving every minute of it.  My

grandma was constantly picking something from her garden to cure this or

that ailment.  I think this is where the love of them came from.  I have

truly enjoyed this list.  I can even hit the delete key during the very few

heated arguments that I have seen.  I don't care for them and prefer not to

perpetuate them.  I'll follow the rules of this list and any other that I

belong to.  It makes the list nice when every one does the same.  I just

moved to the property where I am currently located two years ago.  I have a

nice little herb garden growing now.  I also have a couple of movable herb

gardens growing.  But they are mostly culinary herbs in those.  Made them

out of old corn crates, chicken wire, and rough spaghnam.  There's 1 of the

707 ppl on the list.  Nice meeting ALL of you.



>There are supposedly 707 people on this list.  Where is everyone??  Hello out

>there?  I want to get to know you!

>

>Paula

>

>P.S.  errr, well, maybe not all at once.  707 emails may take a little while to

>get through :)

>



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: hey! and an intro

From: "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@SNARK.WIZARD.COM>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 10:19:56 -0700

--------

Paula:

        Hello there.  I am new to herbs, and have been on the list for

awhile now.  I have learned a lot on this list, but I don't type in as

often as I would like to.  I am learning the computer as well, but feel

more confident now, so will be hearing more from me in the near future.

I have three children, a husband, and two cats.  We live in the southern

Nevada area, so growing herbs for me has been difficult.  I am learning

more every day, and some of the herbs I grow are doing better than last

year.  Nice to meet you, look forward to reading your posts.



Connie





 >There are supposedly 707 people on this list.  Where is everyone??  Hello out

 >there?  I want to get to know you!

 >

 >Paula

 >

 >P.S.  errr, well, maybe not all at once.  707 emails may take a little while to

 >get through :)



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture (Alcohol primer)

From: Jim Kami <jakami@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 11:01:45 -0700

--------

        I've been following this thread on tinctures for some time and I

thought it might be useful to help clear up some misconceptions about

alcohols (sorry about the chemistry, but I think it's important to have more

information rather than less):



Grain alcohol, ethyl alcohol, ethanol, and "Everclear" and the old

convention ethyl hydroxide are all names for the same compound, C2H6O. This

is most commonly produced by anerobic (= without oxygen) fermentation of

sugar and carbohydrates by yeast, followed by distillation. The source of

the carbohydrates can be grains, potatos, grapes, beets, whatever. The

highest purity of ethanol that can be produced by conventional distillation

is 95% or 190 Proof (1% alcohol = 2 "Proof units). This is due to the close

chemical similarity of ethanol and water. 200 Proof, 100% ethanol or

anhydrous (= without water) alcohol can be produced by a specilized

distillation process with benzene and usually only used in research labs.

Ethanol can be obtained in two froms:



1.) Denatured Alcohol: This is alcohol that has been rendered UNFIT FOR

HUMAN CONSUMPTION. It has been poisoned. It will make you sick or even kill

you if you try to drink it. It is sold often as a cleaning agent or for

EXTERNAL USE ONLY !!! Although denturation formulas vary, one of the more

common ones is;

5 parts per 100 Methanol (makes you blind),

1 part per 100 Methyl Ethyl Ketone (makes you vomit) and

1 part per 100 Aviation Fuel (refined kerosene).



DO NOT USE THIS FOR TINCTURES.



2.) Non-Denatured Alcohol: This is the form that is in beer, wine, vodka,

brandy or Everclear. It is fit for consumption and, in the US, is taxed,

heavily. If you can drink it, the government will tax it. (We use 55 gallon

drums of this stuff at the university and it still comes with a tax stamp on

it). Everclear is a bit of a fluke. It is sold as a spirit, but, aside from

makeing a spiked punch, only a madperson or a college student would try to

choke this down straight. States regulate the maximum alcohol content of

spirits differently, one state may allow 190 Proof Everclear while another

might only permit, say 160 Proof (same with 3.2 beer). Check your local

laws. With the exception of spirits, 95% ethanol is usually purchased

through a chemical supply house or directly from the distillers. It is a bit

expensive and difficult to obtain because of a limited market, the tax

requirements, and other government restrictions.



Finally, I can't say this strongly enough. DO NOT USE DENATURED ALCOHOL FOR

TINCTURES !!!!!! This group is about improving health through knowlege, not

commiting suicide through stupidity.



Jim Kami

Blue Rose Biotech





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: M. Moore's school

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:39:02 -0400

--------

Hi all;



I know we've had prior discussion on correspondence courses for herbs.

Has anyone attended Michael Moore's school in NM?



I am seriously considering going.  Anyone have any input?

Encouragements?  Cautions?



Thanks in advance,

Wendy

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: M. Moore's school

From: John <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 22:33:19 -0500

--------

Never been, but you would be going to one of the most highly respected herbalist in this country.There is no doubt Michael Moore know's his stuff. I was thinking of ordering some tapes of his lectures to see how he comes across verbally. Some of his literature his a bit hard for me to follow sometimes simply because I am not as knowledgable about anatomy as he is. I too would like to attend his school. I just would not want to put that much time and money if I went all the way out west and was lost after the first couple of days. I hope you get to attend.        John



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From:   NormNDy Farm[SMTP:sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM]

Sent:   Saturday, September 06, 1997 7:39 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        M. Moore's school



Hi all;



I know we've had prior discussion on correspondence courses for herbs.

Has anyone attended Michael Moore's school in NM?



I am seriously considering going.  Anyone have any input?

Encouragements?  Cautions?



Thanks in advance,

Wendy

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: M. Moore's school

From: Sam Mills <SMills1138@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 20:07:26 -0400

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I was hoping to see this show up in the digest some day. Moore is teaching in

Bisbee, AZ, in the 1998 session, Jan.-June (the first time he hasn't taught

in Albuquerque in 18 years). I was accepted into that session in May and have

moved to Bisbee already. I still have not met him--he travels in the summer

doing seminars--so I bought a videotape when I got here. I _can't_ recommend

it. After 15 excrutiating minutes I gave up. Very poorly done--worse than any

home video I've seen--and he's fairly unintelligible. BUT his books are

first-rate and evidence an admirable sensibility. I can hardly wait to start

classes. A lot of travel/camping is involved (including East Texas and New

Mexico). It's all on the website, including the catalog.



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/



The '98 session is full (unless I end up not going for some reason). But his

resources and links are valuable. And there's always 1999.



sam





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Borage, was Re: Favorite Herbs

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 20:49:36 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

Kathryn, can you give me some advice on how to preserve borage? Can one just

dry it as usual? Or is there a better way? And how would one use the dried

leaves and flowers?



I ADD:

Sorry to take  so long to answer this one, I got waaaaaay behind anwering my mail and am playing "catch up" today.  Unfortunately, earning a living often interferes with living...



For medicinal purposes, a tincture is usually made of borage.  However the drid leaves can be used in infusions.



For punches, I freeze recipie sized portions in zip-loc type baggies.  Place shredded leaves in bag, add a cup of water or fruit juice and freeze til needed.  The liquid helps preserve the leaves, preventing "burn".  You can also chop leaves small add flowers and press into an ice cube tray, then add enough water to cover.  After it freezes, pop out the cubes and refill to make more,  Store the cubes in freezer bags.  You can then remove one or as many as needed all winter long.

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Borage, was Re: Favorite Herbs

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Sat, 6 Sep 1997 19:00:37 -0700

--------

Hi. Ummm, can I ask both of you what borage is?  What it is used for?  You can

email me privately if you want.  Thanks.



Paula



On Sat, 6 Sep 1997, Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US> wrote:

>YOU WROTE:

>Kathryn, can you give me some advice on how to preserve borage? Can one just

>dry it as usual? Or is there a better way? And how would one use the dried

>leaves and flowers?

>

>I ADD:



>For medicinal purposes, a tincture is usually made of borage.  However the drid

leaves can be used in infusions.

>

>For punches, I freeze recipie sized portions in zip-loc type baggies.  Place

shredded leaves in bag, add a cup of water or fruit juice and freeze til needed.

 The liquid helps preserve the leaves, preventing "burn".  You can also chop

leaves small add flowers and press into an ice cube tray, then add enough water

to cover.  After it freezes, pop out the cubes and refill to make more,  Store

the cubes in freezer bags.  You can then remove one or as many as needed all

winter long.

>KB

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: DADO5 <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 15:29:47 +0000

--------

To the list,



Does anyone have any idea what herbs may help my

20 yr old daughter who has recently had the problem of tender, sore, and

bleeding of her gums when she tries to brush her teeth and gums?



She has always been health conscious and spent alot of energy daily on

personal hygiene  and now this...



She has a problem with acne which has been with her through the teenage

years and now it is getting worse.....I am sure part of the problem is

hereditary in nature since her mother had the same problem  with acne...



Any and all help/info much appreciated..



Thank you all in advance,



sincerely

john amphlett





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: bbrom <bbrom@IBM.NET>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 03:48:11 -0500

--------

Does anyone have any idea what herbs may help my

20 yr old daughter who has recently had the problem of tender, sore, and

bleeding of her gums when she tries to brush her teeth and gums?



She has always been health conscious and spent alot of energy daily on

personal hygiene  and now this...



She has a problem with acne which has been with her through the teenage

years and now it is getting worse.....I am sure part of the problem is

hereditary in nature since her mother had the same problem  with acne...



Any and all help/info much appreciated..



It sounds like your daughter is have some gum problems.  I would sugges

she start flossing  a couple times a day and see if that doesn't help

them heel up.  Also use a mouth wash to help keep germs down.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:38:56 -0500

--------

Sage tea (made with sage from your spice rack-a teaspoon steeped in

boiling water then strained) swished around in the mouth and through the

teeth can help strengthen gums, but nothing beats flossing for keeping the

gums in the pink.



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Jessica <jalquist@EPIX.NET>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:36:52 -0400

--------

DADO5 wrote:

>

> To the list,

>

> Does anyone have any idea what herbs may help my

> 20 yr old daughter who has recently had the problem of tender, sore, and

> bleeding of her gums when she tries to brush her teeth and gums?

>

> She has always been health conscious and spent alot of energy daily on

> personal hygiene  and now this...

>

> She has a problem with acne which has been with her through the teenage

> years and now it is getting worse.....I am sure part of the problem is

> hereditary in nature since her mother had the same problem  with acne...

>

> Any and all help/info much appreciated..

>

> Thank you all in advance,

>

> sincerely

> john amphlett



about the acne, I have the same problem and (I know this is not herbs) I

find that clearisal works wonders.  Don't worry I am not an advirtiser

just a 12 year old girl who finally had got a question she knows

something about.  I hope this is of help to you!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: "Bonnie Bartkus." <BonnieBar@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 19:16:29 -0400

--------

My dentist told me floss, salt water rinse and Listerine mouthwash twice a

day





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:43:34 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

My dentist told me floss, salt water rinse and Listerine mouthwash twice a

day



I ADD:

Powdered myrrh gum and golden seal root makes a good tooth powder for early (and later) gum disease.  Then floss and swish.  Bleeding of the gums and nasal passages (bloody noses) often signals the need for more vitamin C.  

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 21:23:58 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-07 18:32:11 EDT, amphlett@INREACH.COM (DADO5)

writes:



<< Does anyone have any idea what herbs may help my

 20 yr old daughter who has recently had the problem of tender, sore, and

 bleeding of her gums when she tries to brush her teeth and gums? >>



Sore and bleeding gums upon brushing is a sign of gingivitis, an infection of

the gums around the teeth. Sometimes, even conscientious brushing and

flossing cannot stop it completely if you're prone to it. If not treated

quickly, it can lead to gum recession, bone loss, and the loss of teeth. Your

daughter really should see a dentist quickly for an appropriate diagnosis and

treatment. Don't just cover up the symptoms with medication, herbal or

otherwise. Take it from one who's been there.



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: CoraLynn McKelvy <coralynnmckelvy@USA.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 17:34:21 -0700

--------

> In a message dated 97-09-07 18:32:11 EDT, amphlett@INREACH.COM (DADO5)

> writes:

>

> << Does anyone have any idea what herbs may help my

>  20 yr old daughter who has recently had the problem of tender, sore,

> and bleeding of her gums when she tries to brush her teeth and gums?



A little bit of Stevia in a glass of water is supposed to make a good,

mildly anti-bacterial mouthwash which is good for tender gums. Do think

you should see a dentist first to make sure nothing really serious is

going on, though.



CoraLynn





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 00:11:36 -0400

--------

To add to Anne's excellent advice - bleeding and sore gums can also be the

side effect of some medications.  For instance if you take Inderal, it

weakens the gum structure so you need to increase your visits to the dentist

and have gum massage done more frequently.  A good thing to do is to check

your meds, read up on them in a PDR (Physicians Desk Reference) Book, or ask

your pharmacist for the PPI (Patient Package Insert) that should accompany

your prescription meds.  Allopathic medications have many more side effects

than just the few mentioned on TV or in some print ads.



I have used myrrh to great success with bleeding gums, as well as rinsing

with salt water and increasing my vitamin C.  Took about 2 weeks of brushing

four times a day but it did help a lot.  Also change of diet to include fresh

vegetables and fruits was a great help.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:50:39 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-08 01:18:27 EDT, you write:



<< << Does anyone have any idea what herbs may help my

  20 yr old daughter who has recently had the problem of tender, sore, and

  bleeding of her gums when she tries to brush her teeth and gums? >>



 <<Sore and bleeding gums upon brushing is a sign of gingivitis, an infection

of

 the gums around the teeth. Sometimes, even conscientious brushing and

 flossing cannot stop it completely if you're prone to it. If not treated

 quickly, it can lead to gum recession, bone loss, and the loss of teeth.

Your

 daughter really should see a dentist quickly for an appropriate diagnosis

and

 treatment. Don't just cover up the symptoms with medication, herbal or

 otherwise. Take it from one who's been there.~~Anne dommana@aol.com >>



I have seen astonishing recoveries from this with wheat grass juice, or other

chlorophyl products.  Was cured myself within days with it.  I think Anne's

advice is excellent.  There would be no harm to adding wheat grass juice to

any treatment the dentist gave.



Traiteusse@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: bbrom <bbrom@IBM.NET>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 16:47:31 -0500

--------

> I have seen astonishing recoveries from this with wheat grass juice, or other

> chlorophyl products.  Was cured myself within days with it.  I think Anne's

> advice is excellent.  There would be no harm to adding wheat grass juice to

> any treatment the dentist gave.

>

> Traiteusse@aol.com

>



Hi,



Can you please tell me what wheat grass juice it and where to get it.

Thanks

Betty





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:30:35 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-08 08:08:01 EDT, you write:



<< Can you please tell me what wheat grass juice it and where to get it.

 Thanks

 Betty >>



Most health food stores I have been in have it.  It is the fresh juice

squeezed from young wheat sprouts.  It is best if grown and squeezed yourself

which is quite a production albeit a simple one.  However, I have seen it

frozen in dosage-sized containers in the freezer in health food stores.  They

may have it in bottles.  I'm sure your proprietor would order it for you.



In the meatime any other chlorophyl product would do in a pinch.  Be sure the

diet is modified to include tons of leafy, and dark green vegetables (as

fresh as possible), and refined carbohydrates such as sugars, flours, etc.,

are restricted.



There is a lot of controversy about  this right now, but a parasite cleanse

might be in order.  The dentist might want to check for a particular parasite

that causes gum disease, it lives between the teeth and gums and causes

similar symptoms.



Red Raspberry tea held in the mouth would help the soreness and tighten the

gums.

Drink it also.



Traiteusse@aol.com



Traiteusse@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:13:39 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-08 04:48:22 EDT, Herbgrow30@AOL.COM (Mary Conley,

MNH) writes:



<< bleeding and sore gums can also be the

 side effect of some medications.  For instance if you take Inderal, it

 weakens the gum structure so you need to increase your visits to the dentist

 and have gum massage done more frequently. >>



Another condition that can exacerbate bleeding gums is pregnancy.

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: izzie <izzie@CVN.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:23:25 -0400

--------

A few drops of Tee Tree Oil in distilled water used as a mouthwash is

great for the gums.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: "Adam R. Sweet" <hfksales@JAVANET.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:47:07 -0400

--------

When I was a kid, my dentist sometimes used clove bud oil on my gums.

This had a numbing effect and also a spicy taste!



izzie wrote:



> A few drops of Tee Tree Oil in distilled water used as a mouthwash is

> great for the gums.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:00:56 -0800

--------

At 03:29 PM 9/7/97 +0000, DADO5 wrote:

>To the list,

>

>Does anyone have any idea what herbs may help my

>20 yr old daughter who has recently had the problem of tender, sore, and

>bleeding of her gums when she tries to brush her teeth and gums?

>

>She has always been health conscious and spent alot of energy daily on

>personal hygiene  and now this...

>

>She has a problem with acne which has been with her through the teenage

>years and now it is getting worse.....I am sure part of the problem is

>hereditary in nature since her mother had the same problem  with acne...

>

>Any and all help/info much appreciated..

>

>Thank you all in advance,

>

>sincerely

>john amphlett

>

>

hopefully she gets her teeth professionally cleaned on a regular basis by a

dental hygeinist.  If she still has a problem, brushing with myrrh or

goldenseal can be helpful although terribly bitter.  Sometimes taking a

daily capsule of capsicum can help.  The acne is probably not directly

related.  For that one would need to know more.  Perhaps hormone balance

with something like motherwort would be useful?  Hard to say without more info.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Andrea Rader <AndreaRdr@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 09:11:51 -0400

--------

I thought the clove oil was for tooth pain.  Dab it carefully, or you could

end up like a girl I know who just downed a lot of it and then couldn't feel

anything for several hours (well, alright, it was me! <s>)



-AndreaR





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:07:56 -0700

--------

>YOU WROTE:

>My dentist told me floss, salt water rinse and Listerine mouthwash twice a

>day

>

>I ADD:

>Powdered myrrh gum and golden seal root makes a good tooth powder for

>early (and later) gum disease.  Then floss and swish.  Bleeding of the

>gums and nasal passages (bloody noses) often signals the need for more

>vitamin C.

>KB





Yes, and after brushing teeth in the evening, pack some powdered white oak

bark around those gums and sleep with it there.  It's very astringent and

healing to gums.  People have saved their teeth from gingivitis by using

white oak bark.



Rusty



*************************************************************************



Bob & Rusty Taylor                  "Wealth is not what you have,

Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)                           Sterling W. Sill

Non-commercial webpages: www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor



*************************************************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 15:41:00 -0400

--------

Also, use Stimudents.  (No commercial interest.)  They are balsa wood teeth

picks that you can buy in the drug store near the teeth products.  Use these

after every meal.  Especially when you cannot brush.  Food left in tiny

pockets create a lot of the problems that result in bleeding gums.  Also, do

not chew gum!  Very bad for the gums.  (It's the constant

pounding/hitting/meeting of the teeth that does it.)  Another problem is

teeth clenching.  If she clenches her teeth in sleep (or awake) it will cause

gum problems.  The stimudents are what I use and kept me from having the

dreaded gum/tooth scraping that the periodontists like to do so much.



Gail Beynon in Maryland

beynong@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/beynong/

Zone 7





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:20:28 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-09 16:00:30 EDT, Beynong@AOL.COM writes:



<< Also, use Stimudents.  (No commercial interest.)  They are balsa wood

teeth

 picks that you can buy in the drug store near the teeth products.  Use these

 after every meal.  Especially when you cannot brush >>



Be careful with these. They can cause gum recession if you're not careful. If

she is at all prone to recession, flossing is a better choice.



<<Another problem is

teeth clenching.  If she clenches her teeth in sleep (or awake) it will cause

gum problems.>>



This is so true! Been there, done that, have problems. The woman in question

really should see a qualified dentist to determine if she's

grinding/clenching at night.



Now a question to somewhat redirect this thread:

Do any of you know of any herbs that could ease tension in the neck, face,

and jaw? This is where I carry my tension, and the jaw clenching has caused

some TMJ problems, tooth and gum troubles, and just plain soreness. I'd be

especially interested in something to take/drink at night before bed, to

relax those facial muscles. I already wear a nightguard to protect my teeth.



Thanks!

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 14:58:24 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-08 08:08:01 EDT, you write:



<<

 > I have seen astonishing recoveries from this with wheat grass juice, or

other

 > chlorophyl products.  Was cured myself within days with it.  I think

Anne's

 > advice is excellent.  There would be no harm to adding wheat grass juice

to

 > any treatment the dentist gave.

 >

 > Traiteusse@aol.c



There are also several good products for gum health (Quantum and Enzymatic

Therapy are two that I recall) in your local health food store, as well as

toothpastes/mouthwashes with myrrh, tea tree oil, grapefruit extract, etc.



Also Coenzyme Q10 is known for promoting gum health and can be very

beneficial.



Wishing you all the best,



Kathy



P.S. Seems like I recall someone saying (Howie?) that prolonged use of

goldenseal can discolor teeth.



Also, if the original question came from a woman, don't panic if this is just

an occasional problem, as episodic gum bleeding and soreness can be

attributed to the menstrual cycle.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Joy Keeping <keepjoy@HAL-PC.ORG>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:39:45 -0500

--------

Kathy Lingo wrote:

>

> In a message dated 97-09-08 08:08:01 EDT, you write:

>

> <<

>  > I have seen astonishing recoveries from this with wheat grass juice, or

> other

>  > chlorophyl products.  Was cured myself within days with it.  I think

> Anne's

>  > advice is excellent.  There would be no harm to adding wheat grass juice

> to

>  > any treatment the dentist gave.

>  >

>  > Traiteusse@aol.c

>

> There are also several good products for gum health (Quantum and Enzymatic

> Therapy are two that I recall) in your local health food store, as well as

> toothpastes/mouthwashes with myrrh, tea tree oil, grapefruit extract, etc.

>

> Also Coenzyme Q10 is known for promoting gum health and can be very

> beneficial.

>

> Wishing you all the best,

Hi Everyone,





I have used Ipsab (no commercial interest) for several years to massage

my gums.  There is also a toothpaste and a mouthwash available.  Among

the ingredients is prickly ash bark, salt water, Calcium Cloride and

atomidine.  It is very soothing and other people have made some

interesting claims about it.  I have used it off and on for about four

years and it seems to keep my gums from bleeding along with regular

brushing, flossing and using listerine per my dentist.



Hope this is helpful.



Joy

> Kathy

>

> P.S. Seems like I recall someone saying (Howie?) that prolonged use of

> goldenseal can discolor teeth.

>

> Also, if the original question came from a woman, don't panic if this is just

> an occasional problem, as episodic gum bleeding and soreness can be

> attributed to the menstrual cycle.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore, Bleeding Gums...?

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:36:18 -0700

--------

>P.S. Seems like I recall someone saying (Howie?) that prolonged use of

>goldenseal can discolor teeth.



Yes, that was me. This will happen if you brush your teeth with Oregon

Grape Root and Barberry also.











Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Borage, was Favorite Herbs

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 10:34:23 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

Hi. Ummm, can I ask both of you what borage is?  What it is used for?  



I ADD:



Borage (Borago officinalis) ic a large coarse leaved annual which grows in any ordinary garden soil. The sturdy plant is quite frost tolerant in the early spring and late fall, but tends to burn out during the heat of summer unless well watered.   It is cooling and moist, with a slightly sweet character.  The old herbals say it will give courage and make the mind merry.



In the language of flowers the pretty clear blue star shaped flowers symbolize courage.  They are pretty frozen into ice cubes or rings and are often candied like violets for use as a garnish on cheese or sponge cake.



The fresh leaves are often shredded or crushed and added to herb or fruit punches for special occasions.  The drinks are delicious and very cooling on a hot summer day.  I always take some to family reunions using handfuls of borage, lemon balm, and and garnishing the bowl with whatever edible flowers are available - heartsease, rose, thyme flowers, lavender, etc.   Drinking borage tea or punch 3 times a day is also recommended to relieve grief, depression and PMS and increase milk production in nursing mothers.  



The dried leaves and flowers are used in infusion for feverish colds, ulcers and lung complaints such as pleurisy.  In a tincture form they are used as a tonic during stressful times and following steroid therapy.  Borage stimulates the adrenal glands.



The seeds are pressed into oil which contain essential fatty acids.  Capsules filled with this oil are used for the same as evening primrose oil.    

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Borage, was Favorite Herbs

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 09:43:45 -0700

--------

On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US> wrote:

>YOU WROTE:

>Hi. Ummm, can I ask both of you what borage is?  What it is used for?

>

>I ADD:

>

>Borage (Borago officinalis) ic a large coarse leaved annual which grows in any

ordinary garden soil. The sturdy plant is quite frost tolerant in the early

spring and late fall, but tends to burn out during the heat of summer unless

well watered.   It is cooling and moist, with a slightly sweet character.  The

old herbals say it will give courage and make the mind merry.

>

I ADD TOO:



Ok, sound wonderful.  Where would I get borage?  Would it grow well in coastal

Northern California climates, that is, mainly cool, foggy with some sun?



Paula





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Borage, was Favorite Herbs

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 18:14:31 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

 Where would I get borage?  Would it grow well in coastal  Northern California climates, that is, mainly cool, foggy with some sun?



I ADD:

Borage seed is usually available anywhere a selection herbs seeds is sold.   The mail order seed catalogs carry it also ( Richters, Nichols, Parks, etc.) ( no commertial interest).

It should grow just fine for you as long as you aren't so close to the coast as to suffer from major salt spray.

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Borage, was Favorite Herbs

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 08:07:52 -0700

--------

>On Sun, 7 Sep 1997, Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US> wrote:

>>YOU WROTE:

>>Hi. Ummm, can I ask both of you what borage is?  What it is used for?

>>

>>I ADD:

>>

>>Borage (Borago officinalis) ic a large coarse leaved annual which grows in any

>ordinary garden soil. The sturdy plant is quite frost tolerant in the early

>spring and late fall, but tends to burn out during the heat of summer unless

>well watered.   It is cooling and moist, with a slightly sweet character.  The

>old herbals say it will give courage and make the mind merry.

>>

>I ADD TOO:

>

>Ok, sound wonderful.  Where would I get borage?  Would it grow well in coastal

>Northern California climates, that is, mainly cool, foggy with some sun?

>

>Paula





Paula...  I have Borage growing wild ALL OVER our property... I can't get

rid of it!  If it does well here in coastal WA, I'm sure it will do fine

there in northern CA.



Rusty



*************************************************************************



Bob & Rusty Taylor                  "Wealth is not what you have,

Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)                           Sterling W. Sill

Non-commercial webpages: www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor



*************************************************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Indian cucumber root

From: Bob Lang <Rowanduck@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 12:55:55 -0400

--------

I am looking for information on the medicinal uses of Indian cucumber roott

(Medeola virginiana). My understanding that the Generic name Medeola comes

from the socress Medea, because of the plants medicinal virtues. Thanks

Bob Lang

Omaha, Ne





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Amyloidosis?  LONG

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 7 Sep 1997 23:55:58 -0400

--------

I sent this out before but I'm not sure it got to the list.  So I'm sending

again.  Thank you for any responses.



My Aunt is in the hospital again.  Her HMO wasn't doing her any good so she

went to the Mayo clinic on her own and finally got the diagnosis for her

ailment.  She also has Addison's disease.  I checked on her meds yesterday.

 They include digoxin, Coumadin,  hydrocortisone, Lasix,  potassium

supplement, and Alkeran.



Is there anyone on the list who is familiar with this disease?  Amyloidosis,

as far as I understand it, creates a starchy substance in your body (blood?)

that attacks various organs.  She started out last spring with blood clots in

her legs which they removed in a 5 hour nighttime emergency operation.  Since

then she seems to be steadily going downhill.  She is not overweight and is

about 73 years old.  She has a LOT of edema.  At the present she has no

energy, can't walk, can feed herself and sounds like she is dying.  They want

to start her on chemotherapy.  She doesn't want to start that until her

daughter moves her to NY.  We don't know what to do.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Elder Flowers/Berries

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:03:22 -0400

--------

Elder (sambuccus)  is a tree, somewhat rounded in shape, and will

certainly grow in Maryland.  Try a good field guide- Peterson's Guide to

Medicinal Plants or the Audobon Society book of trees.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 09:36:02 -0400 NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

writes:

>Hi all,

>

>I am curious.  What does the plant that elder flowers and berries

>produce look like?  I tried to find an "elder" plant in a couple of my

>gardening books with no luck.

>

>Does anyone grow it?  What's its hardiness?

>

>Still trying to find an herb appropriate for a hedge here in Maryland,

>Wendy

>--

>NormNDy Farm

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Elder Flowers/Berries

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:52:44 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-08 08:44:54 EDT, you write:



<< >I am curious.  What does the plant that elder flowers and berries

 >produce look like?  I tried to find an "elder" plant in a couple of my

 >gardening books with no luck.

 >

 >Does anyone grow it?  What's its hardiness?

 >

 >Still trying to find an herb appropriate for a hedge here in Maryland,

 >Wendy

 >--

 >NormNDy Farm >>



May I recommend the Peterson Field Guide called Eastern/Central Medicinal

Plants by Steven Foster and James A. Duke?  ISBN# 0-395-35309-2 (hardback),

0-395-46722-5 (paperback). The paperback was $16.95 and one of the best

herbal book buys I ever made.  (No commercial interest).  Wonderful

photographs, excellent drawings and simple descriptions.



Right now the bushes in your area should have the berry clusters turning a

dark, almost black purple.  They are tiny and form an umbrella-like cluster

up to 6-8 inches across.  The bushes here (Louisiana), are about 12 feet

high; they may be shorter in your area.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Elder Flowers/Berries

From: izzie <izzie@CVN.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 18:44:30 -0400

--------

I live near the central Maryland-Pa line and we have lots of wild

elderberry growing on our land.  You are welcome to come harvest.Email

me for directions.  Elaine





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Wheatgrass

From: Carol Lively <clively@ONRAMP.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:28:25 +0000

--------

Howdy Henriette!



I've only been subscribed to the herb list for a month or so, but

have read all of the archives, and I would like to take this

opportunity to thank you for all of your great contributions to this

list!



>Most health food stores I have been in have it.  It is the fresh juice

>squeezed from young wheat sprouts.  It is best if grown and squeezed yourself

>which is quite a production albeit a simple one.



Many moons ago, I purchased a wheatgrass juicer.  It was expensive,

and a pain to clean.  Since I just use it for myself, and my three minpins, if

I had it to do all over again, I wouldn't have purchased it.



Now I just chew the grass, swallowing the liquid and spitting out the

pulp.



I occasionally buy wheatgrass from the health food store, but try to

grow my own as it is expensive when purchased already grown.  I use

the organic (winter) hard wheatberries (not the soft, spring

wheatberries, which are used for making pastry flour) to grow my

wheatgrass.



I soak the berries in water for anywhere from 12 to 24 hours in order

to start the sprouting process. The amount of soaking time is dependent on

the time of year.  During the summertime, when it's hot, berries left in the

water for 24 hours tend to start to rot.



Then I strain off the water, leaving the berries in the strainer to

sprout.  (I like using the strainer for this because the berries get

plenty of air this way, and it's easy to rinse them off if they start

to dry out.)



Then I take one of those plastic trays that you get from the plant

nurseries when you buy 12 plants, line it with newspaper, put in an

inch of potting soil, and sow the sprouted berries on the top of the

potting soil.



I cover this with some wetted newspaper.  This gives the berries just

enough moisture to continue sprouting, but not so much that they'll

rot.  I leave the newspaper on, wetting it when it gets dry, for two

to three days.  When the grass that is growing starts to push up

the newspaper (when it's about an inch high), I take the newspaper

off, and then set the tray of wheatgrass in the sun.  (It should be

left in the shade up until this point.)



Ideally, the grass should be about six inches tall before you use it

- something about all of the health benefits not being available

until this time - but I don't always wait that long.



When I'm ready to use the wheatgrass, I cut off the amount I want with a

pair of scissors.  If I keep the wheatgrass watered, the grass that gets

cut will grow back for a second cutting.



>From what I've read, wheatberries have enough food to keep the grass

growing and healthy for around seven days.  If the grass is going to

be kept longer than that, then the potting soil must have the

neccessary nutrients to feed the wheatgrass, or you must apply

additional fertilizer.  (I use a liquid seaweed concoction.)



I would caution against swallowing the pulp - though I've seen some

books suggest adding whole wheatgrass to salads.  I tried this

once, and developed a very bad stomachache.



I would also caution against using too much at first.  Wheatgrass

juice is a powerful cleanser, and cleansing too fast is not an

enjoyable process.  Trust me on this.



Take it slow, and work your way up.  Starting out with perhaps one

half of an ounce, or less if you start to feel queasy.



Another thing wheatgrass juice is good for is anemia.  One of my

minpins (the five-pound Mr. Peatree), was acting lethargic, and

bloodtests showed that he was anemic.



I started juicing wheatgrass for him (3 cc's) each day, and one week

later, he was much perkier and his bloodtests were normal again.  I

believe Bernard Jensen used to have his anemic patients soak in a

bathtub of water and wheatgrass juice, and said that this was very

effective.



For those of you interested in finding out more about the health

benefits of wheatgrass juice, I would suggest Ann Wigmore's book, "The

Wheatgrass Book."  I checked, and you can get it from Amazon.com.



http://www.amazon.com



Best Regards,

Carol Lively

Dallas, Texas area





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wheatgrass

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:53:31 -0700

--------

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Carol Lively <clively@ONRAMP.NET> wrote:

>Howdy Henriette!

>

>I've only been subscribed to the herb list for a month or so, but

>have read all of the archives, and I would like to take this

>opportunity to thank you for all of your great contributions to this

>list!

>

Archives?  Where?  Can I get them too???



Paula





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs For ADD & Hyperactivity

From: Barbara Honors <Momcat3397@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 08:55:03 -0400

--------

Kelly,

  For ADD, I find the combination of Valerian root and Ginkgo biloba to be

quite

effective.  I use these two herbs myself and find that the valerian calms my

hyperactivity ( I can actually make it through an hour-long church service

without

constantly fidgiting) and the Ginkgo improves my ability to focus my

concentration

( I no longer forget which measure I'm at when someone coughs, sneezes, kicks

the pew in front of them,etc.) This combination has been crucial to my

success as

a music minister in my church ( a large parish- like 800 or so people for

each

service- which you can imagine creates lots of distractions!)

  There are a few things to watch out for with trying to find the right

combination

for your son. First of all- in some people Valerian has the opposite effect

and acts

as a stimulant instead of having a calming effect.  Secondly, some people

find

more success using St. Johnswort , which acts as a natural antidepressant.

Allopathic physicians often use antidepressant medications for ADD when the

stimuulant types such as Ritalin are ineffective. Many of my family have ADD

and some have chosen to use allopathic medications. Of these, most are on

Ritalin but some are on antidepressants.

  As for dosage, it is easiest to adjust if you purchase your herbs in

tincture or

liquid extract form ( the latter contains no alcohol). The standard dose

range is

2-3 drops per 10lb. of body weight taken three times per day.  To make the

medicine as palatable as possible you may wish to put it in juice rather than

water.

Hope this helps.

Barbara Honors

Ethnobotanist/Herbalist

Momcat3397@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: dog has hot spot

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 09:52:54 -0400

--------

My dog has an inflamed back leg.It is red and inflamed.The fur is gone .I

have been putting aloe gel straight from the plant on it several times a

day and also giving her a tsp of sodium ascorbate every day.I also changed

her diet back to lamb/rice formulation.Any other suggestions?



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dog has hot spot

From: Jerry Sobel user <JerrySobel@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:52:39 -0400

--------

     When my dog Shana had hot spots I always cleaned them with hydrogen

peroxide and then coated them with vaseline petrolium jelly.  This method

always seemed to stop the itching and she no longer kept licking the area.



                                                 Good luck





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dog has hot spot

From: bbrom <bbrom@IBM.NET>

Date: Mon, 1 Sep 1997 21:54:08 -0500

--------

>      When my dog Shana had hot spots I always cleaned them with hydrogen

> peroxide and then coated them with vaseline petrolium jelly.  This method

> always seemed to stop the itching and she no longer kept licking the area.

>

>



This is very interesting as I have a horrible problem with my dashund

and grass allergies.  I was thinking about spraying the dog daily with

hydrogen P to see if this stopped it or prevented it after a bath.  I

would delute it of course, what do you think about this.

Betty





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dog has hot spot

From: Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:29:34 -0400

--------

bbrom wrote:

>

> >      When my dog Shana had hot spots I always cleaned them with hydrogen

> > peroxide and then coated them with vaseline petrolium jelly.  This method

> > always seemed to stop the itching and she no longer kept licking the area.

> >

> >

>

> This is very interesting as I have a horrible problem with my dashund

> and grass allergies.  I was thinking about spraying the dog daily with

> hydrogen P to see if this stopped it or prevented it after a bath.  I

> would delute it of course, what do you think about this.

> Betty



Hi,



I'm a newcomer on the HERB list, so please excuse my ignorance.

Are petroleum jelly and hydrogen peroxide considered "herbal"?

Hydrogen peroxide seems very intrusive to me!?

I've treated ear infections on my cockers with a mixture of Vit E and

garlic oil.  The vets recommend peroxide; however, I find that the

herbals (and homeopathics) which work for humans work for the same

symptoms on animals.

My first impression is that calendula (marigold flower) tincture might

work.  There are probably others, including essential oils, which might

be more specific.  I'm just learning, so there may be better help out

there.



Good Luck,

Carter Cole

coleb@ncweb.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dog has hot spot

From: Jerry Sobel user <JerrySobel@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 13:52:26 -0400

--------

I guess you could dilute it but I never did and never once did we have a

problem.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dog has hot spot

From: Joey Pierce <joey@GARDENER.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:47:57 -0500

--------

Has anyone else tried Pets Alive! from Gardens Alive!? (NO commercial

interest) I have seen great results with this stuff. It's a powder of

garlic,brewer's yeast,and several other things. It has ended my cat's

flea allergies!



--

Joey Pierce

Eureka Springs,Arkansas

joey@gardener.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dog has hot spot

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 19:44:02 -0800

--------

At 09:52 AM 9/8/97 -0400, Lisa Saul wrote:

>My dog has an inflamed back leg.It is red and inflamed.The fur is gone .I

>have been putting aloe gel straight from the plant on it several times a

>day and also giving her a tsp of sodium ascorbate every day.I also changed

>her diet back to lamb/rice formulation.Any other suggestions?

>

>Lisa

>Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

>http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html

>

>

Are we talking the WHOLE leg or just a spot?  Have you checked for an

infected wound or sliver or such?  How's the dog's nose, wet, dry, tongue

color?  Is there evidence of general infection?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dog has hot spot

From: Paula Baumgartner <yogt@MAIL.KIVA.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:28:55 -0500

--------

Grass allergies are usually carbolic acid in the dew and could be quite

prevelant in Dashunds due to their low slung bodies.  Baking soda can

neutralize this. Dry the dog and dust with baking soda.  It also dries

fungus that may keep spots itchy because they are damp.



>

>This is very interesting as I have a horrible problem with my dashund

>and grass allergies.  I was thinking about spraying the dog daily with

>hydrogen P to see if this stopped it or prevented it after a bath.  I

>would delute it of course, what do you think about this.

>Betty

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:00:41 -0400

--------

Hi,

While working out in my organic orchard this weekend I was stung by a

wasp a few times. Knowing that my sister is allergic to stings and has

to be taken to the emergency room at once, I was a little afraid that

I might have the same reaction. The only tincture I had with me was

Lobelia, so I quickly took a dropperful. Later my throat got a little

scratchy and the glands in my neck swelled a little so I took a large

amout of Echinacea. That seemed to work pretty fast to clean those

lymph nodes.

But, my whole point of this is that I was not prepared for an emergency.

I tend to be a survivalist and have emergency equipment in my car, but

I guess I never thought of emergency herbs.

I would like to get some suggestions from the group as to what you think

would be good to keep in my car for emergencies. Include your formulas

too, if possible. I am looking for some tried and true ideas from

you camping folks, also.

Thanks!

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:28:09 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-08 10:02:14 EDT, satch@EOS.NET writes:



<< While working out in my organic orchard this weekend I was stung by a

 wasp a few times.

<snip>

 I would like to get some suggestions from the group as to what you think

 would be good to keep in my car for emergencies.>>



I'm curious about the ever-present Ephedra. Since one of its main

constituents is a norepinephrine analog, which is also the main constituent

of the "epi-pen," the device used by those allergic to bee stings, could

Ephedra be used for this purpose??? Professional herbalists, opinions please?



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:41:41 -0400

--------

>Hi,

>While working out in my organic orchard this weekend I was stung by a

>wasp a few times. Knowing that my sister is allergic to stings and has

>to be taken to the emergency room at once, I was a little afraid that

>I might have the same reaction. The only tincture I had with me was

>Lobelia, so I quickly took a dropperful. Later my throat got a little

>scratchy and the glands in my neck swelled a little so I took a large

>amout of Echinacea. That seemed to work pretty fast to clean those

>lymph nodes.

>But, my whole point of this is that I was not prepared for an emergency.

>I tend to be a survivalist and have emergency equipment in my car, but

>I guess I never thought of emergency herbs.

>I would like to get some suggestions from the group as to what you think

>would be good to keep in my car for emergencies. Include your formulas

>too, if possible. I am looking for some tried and true ideas from

>you camping folks, also.

>Thanks!

>---------------------

>Mary Satchell

I carry Sting Stop by Boericke and Tafel in my car.(no commercial

interest).It is good for any insect bite..combines hebs with homeopathy.It

is also a good repellent.Lisa



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: st <jtst@BSL1.BSLNET.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:11:13 -0700

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On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Lisa Saul wrote:



> I carry Sting Stop by Boericke and Tafel in my car.(no commercial

> interest).It is good for any insect bite..combines hebs with homeopathy.It

> is also a good repellent.Lisa



I just received a whopper of a wasp bite, that took a week to heal.

Where can you purchase Sting Stop?  Or do you have the recipe?



Thanks,

Zehra





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Carol Lively <clively@ONRAMP.NET>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 00:25:06 +0000

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>There's an herb that, if applied directly to a sting, will help.  And the

>good news is that it grows practically everywhere.....

>Plantago spp.



Hi Anita,



Today, when I thanked Henrietta for all her great posts, I should

have thanked you as well.  A good number of the posts that I've saved

from the archives have your name on them.  Thank you.



It is because of you, and a couple of other posters, that I've

started seeing that there is much more to herbs than I originally

thought.  If I am accepted, I will be starting acupuncture school at

the end of September.  I'm hoping that it will help me to see herbs

in more of a wholistic way.



This school will focus on Chinese herbs.  Are there any books on the

heating/cooling, etc., aspects of Western herbs?



I would like to ask you if you know of any plant that is effective

against scorpion stings.  We recently moved out to a more rural area,

where a lot of development is going on, and the first week we were

here I found a scorpion in my kitchen sink.



I've got three miniature pinschers - very small dogs - that believe

that anything that is smaller than them is fair game for eating.  I

almost lost Rude once after he ate a wasp.  (He is the largest one;

weighing about 12 lbs.)



I heard him vomiting in the living room, and I got out there just in

time to see him stagger and then fall over.  His eyes were wide open,

but no one "was home," his gums were ghost-white, and his body was

stiff and unresponsive.



After I got over those initial seconds of complete hysteria, I

noticed the wasp in the vomitus.  The only thing that I could think

to do was to keep giving him Rescue Remedy and activated charcoal, using an

eye-dropper to dribble them into the side of his mouth, until he came

around.



We were very lucky.  Twenty minutes later, he was raring to go.  BTW,

he still jumps at the wasps.  I have several gray hairs that have his

name on them.



If Rude saw the scorpion before I did, it's a sure bet that he'd get

bitten, and I'd like to know what to do if this happens.



Best Regards,

Carol Lively

Dallas, Texas area





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:44:50 -0800

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At 12:25 AM 9/9/97 +0000, Carol Lively wrote:

>>There's an herb that, if applied directly to a sting, will help.  And the

>>good news is that it grows practically everywhere.....

>>Plantago spp.

>

>Hi Anita,

>

>Today, when I thanked Henrietta for all her great posts, I should

>have thanked you as well.  A good number of the posts that I've saved

>from the archives have your name on them.  Thank you.

>

>It is because of you, and a couple of other posters, that I've

>started seeing that there is much more to herbs than I originally

>thought.  If I am accepted, I will be starting acupuncture school at

>the end of September.  I'm hoping that it will help me to see herbs

>in more of a wholistic way.

>

>This school will focus on Chinese herbs.  Are there any books on the

>heating/cooling, etc., aspects of Western herbs?



Yes.  "The Energetics of Western Herbs" by Bob Flaws and Any books by

Michael Tierra such as "The Way of Herbs" or "Planetary Herbology".  Tierra

has an east-west school of herbal medicine focusing on this subject.



>

>I would like to ask you if you know of any plant that is effective

>against scorpion stings.  We recently moved out to a more rural area,

>where a lot of development is going on, and the first week we were

>here I found a scorpion in my kitchen sink.

>

>I've got three miniature pinschers - very small dogs - that believe

>that anything that is smaller than them is fair game for eating.  I

>almost lost Rude once after he ate a wasp.  (He is the largest one;

>weighing about 12 lbs.)

>

>I heard him vomiting in the living room, and I got out there just in

>time to see him stagger and then fall over.  His eyes were wide open,

>but no one "was home," his gums were ghost-white, and his body was

>stiff and unresponsive.

>

>After I got over those initial seconds of complete hysteria, I

>noticed the wasp in the vomitus.  The only thing that I could think

>to do was to keep giving him Rescue Remedy and activated charcoal, using an

>eye-dropper to dribble them into the side of his mouth, until he came

>around.

>

>We were very lucky.  Twenty minutes later, he was raring to go.  BTW,

>he still jumps at the wasps.  I have several gray hairs that have his

>name on them.

>

>If Rude saw the scorpion before I did, it's a sure bet that he'd get

>bitten, and I'd like to know what to do if this happens.

>

>Best Regards,

>Carol Lively

>Dallas, Texas area

>

>

I'm not familiar with scorpion stings.  The only time I've ever seen them

was in Israel.  I would need to know more about them.  However, if they are

similar in toxins to wasp or bee stings, plantago would be useful as well.

I hadn't thought about Rescue Remedy but that is excellent for many things

like this as well.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:25:36 -0400

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Michael Tierra has a remedy, Planetary Formula's River of Life that is

very good for detoxing after a vemenous bite.  Ingrid Naiman, of

eschariotic cancer salves fame, says that it literally saved her life

after being bitten by a highly toxic brown recluse spider.  No interest,

etc.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



>At 12:25 AM 9/9/97 +0000, Carol Lively wrote:



>>I would like to ask you if you know of any plant that is effective

>>against scorpion stings.  We recently moved out to a more rural area,

>>where a lot of development is going on, and the first week we were

>>here I found a scorpion in my kitchen sink.



>>Carol Lively

>>Dallas, Texas area





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:00:30 -0800

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At 10:00 AM 9/8/97 -0400, Mary Satchell wrote:

>Hi,

>While working out in my organic orchard this weekend I was stung by a

>wasp a few times. Knowing that my sister is allergic to stings and has

>to be taken to the emergency room at once, I was a little afraid that

>I might have the same reaction. The only tincture I had with me was

>Lobelia, so I quickly took a dropperful. Later my throat got a little

>scratchy and the glands in my neck swelled a little so I took a large

>amout of Echinacea. That seemed to work pretty fast to clean those

>lymph nodes.

>But, my whole point of this is that I was not prepared for an emergency.

>I tend to be a survivalist and have emergency equipment in my car, but

>I guess I never thought of emergency herbs.

>I would like to get some suggestions from the group as to what you think

>would be good to keep in my car for emergencies. Include your formulas

>too, if possible. I am looking for some tried and true ideas from

>you camping folks, also.

>Thanks!

>---------------------

>Mary Satchell

>St. Francis Herb Farm

>mailto:satch@eos.net

>---------------------

>

>

There's an herb that, if applied directly to a sting, will help.  And the

good news is that it grows practically everywhere.....

Plantago spp.  Broad leaf plantain and ribwort plantain and other members

of this plantain family can be used.  I just take a fresh leaf, crush it

and attach it to the affected site.  It helps prevent swelling, and seems

to neutralize bites and stings.  I have heard that it is even effective for

persons who are allergic to the stings but have not had a situation where

I've had to use it for that.

I use it all the time for insect bites of all kinds.  I used it last week

for a tourist that was bitten by a wasp while canoeing.  It brings quick

relief.  I usually leave the leaf on the bite for a couple of hours.

I also used some plantain cream that I had made on a jellyfish sting on my

son.  After neutralizing the sting with vinegar, I applied the cream.  He

suffered very little after the application and swelling was almost nil.

One other item I'd have in ANY herbal first aid kit is capsicum (Cayenne).

It will stop bleeding almost instantly and helps prevent bruising.  A

capsule daily can prevent nosebleeds.  I've used it on some fairly bad

wounds with great success to stop bleeding and bruising.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 01:01:35 -0400

--------

>

>There's an herb that, if applied directly to a sting, will help.  And the

>good news is that it grows practically everywhere.....

>Plantago spp.  Broad leaf plantain and ribwort plantain and other members

>of this plantain family can be used.



For those of you who have ever had a reaction of anaphylactic shock, don't

try it.  It's not worth your life.  My grandma was into herbs.  It will work

for the minor stings for non allergic.  It worked on my sister.  She doesn't

have an allergy.  It didn't work for me.  I would never even risk the

chance.  It comes on too soon.  That's why they make the Epi-pen and the Bee

Sting Kit.



Mary Lu



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 06:54:15 -0700

--------

Hello all!



Thanks for the advice on bee stings I've been reading.  Now, as far as other

herbs for other emergencies that take place away from home, can you expound on

those too?  Please?



Paula





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Don Wayne <Mirepoix@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:59:49 -0400

--------

How do you apply the capsicum (Cayenne) to the wound to stop the bleeding?



Thanks!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:44:05 -0400

--------

Don Wayne wrote:

>

> How do you apply the capsicum (Cayenne) to the wound to stop the bleeding?

>

> Thanks!





Just put the cayenne powder right on the area that is bleeding.

Use a fair amount.

My father nearly cut his finger off with a saw and did this, the

bleeding stopped almost immediately.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:33:43 -0800

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At 11:59 PM 9/10/97 -0400, Don Wayne wrote:

>How do you apply the capsicum (Cayenne) to the wound to stop the bleeding?

>

>Thanks!

>

>

Just sprinkle powder on the wound or use a compress.  To make a compress,

first make an infusion (tea) of the desired herb, then soak a cloth in the

resulting liquid and apply cloth (hot) to the affected area.  You can also

use a poultice---put the herb on a damp/hot cloth and apply to the area.

You might think capsicum would burn terribly on a wound. It's really not

bad at all.  You can even get it in your eye without damaging it (done

that).  It burns in the eye though.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:47:42 -0400

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Does the cayenne burn?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:53:48 -0800

--------

At 04:47 PM 9/11/97 -0400, Gail P Beynon. wrote:

>Does the cayenne burn?

>

>

If you are worrying about it damaging tissues.  It will not. It is even

used to cure stomach ulcers.  It can sting a little but not uncomfortably.

Certainly not as bad (IMHO) as iodine.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Lory Ann Smith <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:31:28 -0400

--------

Hi Carol & All,

        Snake venom (bee & scorpion too ??) contains hyaluronidase, which

breaks down ground substance and allows the venom to get into the

bloodstream. Echinacea was (and is) used by Native Americans because it

contains substances which inhibit the hylauronidase. I make a bee sting salve

with echinacea, dandelion (which, like plantain, has drawing power), and

hypericum (for the nerve endings). We've used it often on bee stings, but

have never needed it for snakes or scorpions (Praise God!) .... VT winters

are good for something besides skiing <g>.   Lory



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:33:17 -0700

--------

>>I would like to get some suggestions from the group as to what you think

>>would be good to keep in my car for emergencies. Include your formulas

>>too, if possible. I am looking for some tried and true ideas from

>>you camping folks, also.

>>Thanks!

>>---------------------

>>Mary Satchell

>>St. Francis Herb Farm

>>mailto:satch@eos.net

>>---------------------

>>

>>

>There's an herb that, if applied directly to a sting, will help.  And the

>good news is that it grows practically everywhere.....

>Plantago spp.  Broad leaf plantain and ribwort plantain and other members

>of this plantain family can be used.  I just take a fresh leaf, crush it

>and attach it to the affected site.  It helps prevent swelling, and seems

>to neutralize bites and stings.  I have heard that it is even effective for

>persons who are allergic to the stings but have not had a situation where

>I've had to use it for that.

>I use it all the time for insect bites of all kinds.  I used it last week

>for a tourist that was bitten by a wasp while canoeing.  It brings quick

>relief.  I usually leave the leaf on the bite for a couple of hours.

>I also used some plantain cream that I had made on a jellyfish sting on my

>son.  After neutralizing the sting with vinegar, I applied the cream.  He

>suffered very little after the application and swelling was almost nil.

>One other item I'd have in ANY herbal first aid kit is capsicum (Cayenne).

>It will stop bleeding almost instantly and helps prevent bruising.  A

>capsule daily can prevent nosebleeds.  I've used it on some fairly bad

>wounds with great success to stop bleeding and bruising.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net



Both of these are in MY kit!  I'll list some others later.



Rusty



*************************************************************************



Bob & Rusty Taylor                  "Wealth is not what you have,

Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)                           Sterling W. Sill

Non-commercial webpages: www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:33:20 -0700

--------

>I've got three miniature pinschers - very small dogs - that believe

>that anything that is smaller than them is fair game for eating.  I

>almost lost Rude once after he ate a wasp.  (He is the largest one;

>weighing about 12 lbs.)

>

>I heard him vomiting in the living room, and I got out there just in

>time to see him stagger and then fall over.  His eyes were wide open,

>but no one "was home," his gums were ghost-white, and his body was

>stiff and unresponsive.

>

>After I got over those initial seconds of complete hysteria, I

>noticed the wasp in the vomitus.  The only thing that I could think

>to do was to keep giving him Rescue Remedy and activated charcoal, using an

>eye-dropper to dribble them into the side of his mouth, until he came

>around.

>

>We were very lucky.  Twenty minutes later, he was raring to go.  BTW,

>he still jumps at the wasps.  I have several gray hairs that have his

>name on them.

>

>If Rude saw the scorpion before I did, it's a sure bet that he'd get

>bitten, and I'd like to know what to do if this happens.

>

>Best Regards,

>Carol Lively

>Dallas, Texas area



Sounds like you did the right thing...  For any poisonous bite or sting, I

would keep a very good quality Echinacea angustifolia tincture around (or

even better, a combination of E. angustifolia and E. purpurea).  This is

effective for rattle snake bites and black widow bites, so I assume that it

would be good for scorpions, but I would have to research it to be sure.



Rusty



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Bob & Rusty Taylor                  "Wealth is not what you have,

Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)                           Sterling W. Sill

Non-commercial webpages: www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:27:17 -0400

--------

Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor wrote:

>

> >I've got three miniature pinschers - very small dogs - that believe

> >that anything that is smaller than them is fair game for eating.  I

> >almost lost Rude once after he ate a wasp.  (He is the largest one;

> >weighing about 12 lbs.)

> >

> >I heard him vomiting in the living room, and I got out there just in

> >time to see him stagger and then fall over.  His eyes were wide open,

> >but no one "was home," his gums were ghost-white, and his body was

> >stiff and unresponsive.

> >

> >After I got over those initial seconds of complete hysteria, I

> >noticed the wasp in the vomitus.  The only thing that I could think

> >to do was to keep giving him Rescue Remedy and activated charcoal, using an

> >eye-dropper to dribble them into the side of his mouth, until he came

> >around.

> >

> >We were very lucky.  Twenty minutes later, he was raring to go.  BTW,

> >he still jumps at the wasps.  I have several gray hairs that have his

> >name on them.

> >

> >If Rude saw the scorpion before I did, it's a sure bet that he'd get

> >bitten, and I'd like to know what to do if this happens.

> >

> >Best Regards,

> >Carol Lively

> >Dallas, Texas area

>

> Sounds like you did the right thing...  For any poisonous bite or sting, I

> would keep a very good quality Echinacea angustifolia tincture around (or

> even better, a combination of E. angustifolia and E. purpurea).  This is

> effective for rattle snake bites and black widow bites, so I assume that it

> would be good for scorpions, but I would have to research it to be sure.

>

> Rusty

> *

Is that for internal or topical?

Thanks,

Carter Cole

coleb@ncweb.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 04:25:43 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-11 08:52:12 EDT, satch@EOS.NET writes:



<< Just put the cayenne powder right on the area that is bleeding.

 Use a fair amount. >>





Wow!!! I never knew this. Do you use the stuff off the kitchen spice rack, or

is there some *special* variety or way of preparation?

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:09:17 -0800

--------

At 04:25 AM 9/12/97 -0400, Anne S. Wityk wrote:

>In a message dated 97-09-11 08:52:12 EDT, satch@EOS.NET writes:

>

><< Just put the cayenne powder right on the area that is bleeding.

> Use a fair amount. >>

>

>

>Wow!!! I never knew this. Do you use the stuff off the kitchen spice rack, or

>is there some *special* variety or way of preparation?

>~~Anne

>dommana@aol.com

>

>

Yes.  You CAN use your own spice stuff.  I've done it often.  I DO however,

keep some good African Bird Pepper on hand.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: vic hlushak <vic_hlushak@BC.SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:15:35 -0700

--------

At 05:53 PM 9/11/97 -0800, you wrote:

>At 04:47 PM 9/11/97 -0400, Gail P Beynon. wrote:

>>Does the cayenne burn?

>>

>>

>If you are worrying about it damaging tissues.  It will not. It is even

>used to cure stomach ulcers.  It can sting a little but not uncomfortably.

>Certainly not as bad (IMHO) as iodine.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>



How much would you use for controlling blood pressure? I've read 3

tablespoons a day..

My dad has had good results so far with it altho at a lower dose.



vic





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:55:45 -0700

--------

>At 11:59 PM 9/10/97 -0400, Don Wayne wrote:

>>How do you apply the capsicum (Cayenne) to the wound to stop the bleeding?

>>

>>Thanks!

>>

>>

>Just sprinkle powder on the wound or use a compress.  To make a compress,

>first make an infusion (tea) of the desired herb, then soak a cloth in the

>resulting liquid and apply cloth (hot) to the affected area.  You can also

>use a poultice---put the herb on a damp/hot cloth and apply to the area.

>You might think capsicum would burn terribly on a wound. It's really not

>bad at all.  You can even get it in your eye without damaging it (done

>that).  It burns in the eye though.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net



When I have used cayenne straight on a bleeding cut, it did sting for about

10 seconds, or so.  But, I would use it again, without any worries.  I left

the cayenne powder on the cut and put a bandaid on right over it.

Everything healed up very quickly with no infection.



Rusty



*************************************************************************



Bob & Rusty Taylor                  "Wealth is not what you have,

Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)                           Sterling W. Sill

Non-commercial webpages: www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:55:49 -0700

--------

>> >After I got over those initial seconds of complete hysteria, I

>> >noticed the wasp in the vomitus.  The only thing that I could think

>> >to do was to keep giving him Rescue Remedy and activated charcoal, using an

>> >eye-dropper to dribble them into the side of his mouth, until he came

>> >around.

>> >

>> >We were very lucky.  Twenty minutes later, he was raring to go.  BTW,

>> >he still jumps at the wasps.  I have several gray hairs that have his

>> >name on them.

>> >

>> >If Rude saw the scorpion before I did, it's a sure bet that he'd get

>> >bitten, and I'd like to know what to do if this happens.

>> >

>> >Best Regards,

>> >Carol Lively

>> >Dallas, Texas area

>>

>> Sounds like you did the right thing...  For any poisonous bite or sting, I

>> would keep a very good quality Echinacea angustifolia tincture around (or

>> even better, a combination of E. angustifolia and E. purpurea).  This is

>> effective for rattle snake bites and black widow bites, so I assume that it

>> would be good for scorpions, but I would have to research it to be sure.

>>

>> Rusty

>> *

>Is that for internal or topical?

>Thanks,

>Carter Cole

>coleb@ncweb.com



Understanding that I have never had to try it personally (whew!),

everything I have read or heard has said to use it both ways.  Externally,

it stops the break down of tissue, and internally it stimulates the immune

system.  I have read more concrete explanations of what exactly it does in

the case of poisonous bites, but I would have to go in search of the info

to be more specific.



Rusty



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Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Treasure Hunt??

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 07:05:26 -0700

--------

Hi and good morning!  I thought you all might find this amusing.  I was digging

up an area in my yard that I plan to use for my herb garden.  Well, I removed

all the bricks and started moving the dirt around and found something really

hard and long.  After much digging and pulling, I pulled out two bicycle frames!

 I also pulled out which looks like part of a plastic awning.  As I look at this

area, I am thinking I am going to have to dig it all up and see what other

"treasures" are to be found. :oP



In the meantime, all you wonderful herb garden people, could you please give me

some suggestions on what to plant?  I know I want to plant some mint, lavender,

and maybe some borage, but what else would you recommend?



Paula

CA





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt??

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:27:32 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-08 10:06:49 EDT, pswarner@SPRYNET.COM writes:



<<  I know I want to plant some mint, lavender,

 and maybe some borage, but what else would you recommend? >>



Those are all great plants. My only caution is that if you plant mint or

lemon balm, be careful as they are terribly invasive. You might want to plant

them in a separate bed, or in pots.



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt??

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 10:34:18 -0400

--------

Anne S. Wityk wrote:

>

> In a message dated 97-09-08 10:06:49 EDT, pswarner@SPRYNET.COM writes:

>

> <<  I know I want to plant some mint, lavender,

>  and maybe some borage, but what else would you recommend? >>

>

> Those are all great plants. My only caution is that if you plant mint or

> lemon balm, be careful as they are terribly invasive. You might want to plant

> them in a separate bed, or in pots.



You can also use a 6" or wider border and bury it into the ground so

taht the "trailers" can't go over or under it.



---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt??

From: Chris Matthews <cmatthew@EMAIL.ES.CC.VA.US>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 15:16:13 EST

--------

> In the meantime, all you wonderful herb garden people, could you please give me

> some suggestions on what to plant?  I know I want to plant some mint, lavender,

> and maybe some borage, but what else would you recommend?



What do you plan to use the herb garden for?  Cooking, Medicinal,

Touch, Smell...etc..I'm a big fan of Basil and Catnip.



 Chris









"On the Turning Away"

http://www.es.cc.va.us/direct/students/hatter/welcome.htm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt??

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 16:14:57 -0500

--------

Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu



On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Paula Warner wrote:



>

> In the meantime, all you wonderful herb garden people, could you please give me

> some suggestions on what to plant?  I know I want to plant some mint, lavender,

> and maybe some borage, but what else would you recommend?

>

> Paula

> CA

>

Lemon Balm--it makes a wonderful tea, among other things.  Easy to grow,

pretty, too.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt??  containing mint, herbs that I like too

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:27:48 -0400

--------

I know I want to plant some mint, lavender,

>and maybe some borage, but what else would you recommend?

>

>Paula

>CA

>  All of the above are nice.  But be careful with mint.  It is considered a

week by most ppl due to it's propensity to spread.  I happen to love mine.

I have many different types, apple, orange, ginger, chocolate, spearmint,

peppermint, mountain, georgia, corsican and pennyroyal.  It's not good to

plant mint "in the garden" because it spreads.  There are many ways of

getting around it.  Ask the bakery department at your grocery store to save

you a few 3 to 5 gallon buckets.  Cut the bottoms out and sink them into the

ground.  Leave about 2 to 3 inches sticking out.  Plant the mint in that.

Keep the runners cut off and you can keep it under some control.  Another

way is flue tiles.  They're clay tiles that used to be used for water

drainage.  Not used as often but can still be found.  They come in different

sizes and heights.  My personal method for my mint is a simple one too.  One

of my gardens is a raised bed.  The soil was really pour and needed lots of

work.  We found it best to raise the bed by using foundation blocks.  The

whole bed is surrounded by them and then we added the peat, compost and so

on until the soil was workable and the bed filled.  The blocks were placed

with the holes facing up.  We filled them in with a good planting medium.  I

planted a different type of mint in each of the blocks.  This particular bed

happens to sick by the sidewalk that leads from the front of the house to

the back of the house.  The mint spills over onto the sidewalk now and you

can no longer see the foundation blocks.  Visitors get a wonderful aromatic

surprise every time they come to the back door.  They always seem to brush

up against the mint and it's fragrance wafts into the air.  I aslo plant

lemon thyme in a few of the blocks and along the oppisite side of the

sidewalk.  I "spilled" some of the seed between the cracks of the sidewalk

and have some trampled thyme that is doing quite well.  The foundation

blocks were cheaper than landscaping material, can no longer be seen and

make excellent mint planters.  I just go out once every couple of weeks and

harvest any mint that is growing towards the garden side.  This keeps it in

control.  I can have my "mint" and eat it too.   :)



I also have Bee Balm, Coneflower, Borage, Tangerine Southernwood,

eucalyptus, too many varieties of thyme, lavendar, too many varieties of

sage (wonderful for sore throats and canker sores), Lady's Mantle, Bay

Laurel, All of the Italian Herbs, fennel, dill, several different rosemarys,

verbenas, curry, valerian, veronica and I would have to go out and look to

name the rest.  I have chile peppers (thai hots) sprinkled in for a twist of

color.



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt?? I need to watch my spelling!

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 11:40:23 -0400

--------

I need to slow down and watch my spelling.  At least take the time to read

it before I post it.



 It is considered a

>weed not a week





The soil was really poor not pour



I can't go on.  I'm too embarrassed.  ;)  Hope this at least bring a little

laughter to everyone who reads it.

>



Anne wrote:



My only caution is that if you plant mint or

lemon balm,



I wrote:  Did you find lemon balm to be invasive.  Mine widened and grew

bushy, but that is the extent of it.  I sometimes wish my became invasive.

I love this stuff!  I can't grow enough of it.  Is there more than one

variety maybe?



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt?? I need to watch my spelling!

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:09:58 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-08 11:43:50 EDT, Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM writes:



<< Anne wrote:



 My only caution is that if you plant mint or

 lemon balm,



 I wrote:  Did you find lemon balm to be invasive.  Mine widened and grew

 bushy, but that is the extent of it.  I sometimes wish my became invasive.

 I love this stuff!  I can't grow enough of it.  Is there more than one

 variety maybe? >>



Mary Lu, I can't tell you what variety I have, since it was given to me by a

neighbor. For the first 3 years, it pretty much stayed where I put it, just

getting bigger and bushier like yours. But now I'm finding lemon balm sprouts

as far away as four feet from where they were originally planted. I think

they are sprouting from seed, since my main bunch have finished flowering and

are on their way out. It's not a problem as long as you don't mind pulling up

the sprouts now and then. For some reason, this year, my lemon balm is

invading more than my mints, which had a very rocky start this spring.

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Gingo Biloba

From: "Tracy L. Petkovsky" <Tlpetk@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:20:21 -0400

--------

I recently tried Ginko and found that each time I took it I felt sick to my

stomach.  I have a couple of questions.  I was taking the leaf (in a

capsule), could this be the reason I felt sick?  Should I have taken the

extract?  Or could it be that my body/brain has enough stimulation therefore

doesn't need it? ha.



Is there any other herb(s) that would provide me with the same.  I understand

it helps with concentration, enabling better blood flow to the brain.



Thanks

Tracy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gingo Biloba

From: Joslyn Seefeldt <jseefeld@INWAVE.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 14:19:37 -0500

--------

Re:  the ginko biloba discussion.  I found the first few days I took

ginko I also had an upset stomache.  Did go away after a few days tho.

Curious as to what caused the reaction.  Joslyn.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gingo Biloba

From: The Doctor {Who?} <doctor@NETCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 21:52:24 -0700

--------

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Joslyn Seefeldt wrote:



> Re:  the ginko biloba discussion.  I found the first few days I took

> ginko I also had an upset stomache.  Did go away after a few days tho.

> Curious as to what caused the reaction.  Joslyn.



I find that I cannot stomache some things on an empty stomache...  Ginsing &

Gingko are a few of these.



My suggestion is to take it AFTER a meal.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gingo Biloba

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 07:52:10 -0800

--------

At 09:52 PM 9/8/97 -0700, The Doctor {Who?} wrote:

>On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Joslyn Seefeldt wrote:

>

>> Re:  the ginko biloba discussion.  I found the first few days I took

>> ginko I also had an upset stomache.  Did go away after a few days tho.

>> Curious as to what caused the reaction.  Joslyn.

>

>I find that I cannot stomache some things on an empty stomache...  Ginsing &

>Gingko are a few of these.

>

>My suggestion is to take it AFTER a meal.

>

>

Perhaps they could use a "buffer".  Try stirring a half tsp. of Slippery

Elm powder into a cup of COLD water and drink this with your capsules of

Ginko or Ginseng.  Slippery Elm is a demulcent and should help buffer the

herbs.  It might be good to also add an aromatic such as peppermint to your

buffering.  Adding a little Liquorice root will help harmonize the effects

of the herbs as well.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Gingo Biloba

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 06:29:36 -0500

--------

Tracy,

  Minor side effects of Ginko are nausea and diarrhea...you might try

using a lower dosage...but

discontinue if the side effects continue for longer than a two week

period...UNLESS SEVERE...stop immediately.

Linda





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gingo Biloba

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:56:09 -0700

--------

>I recently tried Ginko and found that each time I took it I felt sick to my

>stomach.  I have a couple of questions.  I was taking the leaf (in a

>capsule), could this be the reason I felt sick?  Should I have taken the

>extract?  Or could it be that my body/brain has enough stimulation therefore

>doesn't need it? ha.

>

>Is there any other herb(s) that would provide me with the same.  I understand

>it helps with concentration, enabling better blood flow to the brain.

>

>Thanks

>Tracy



I have heard of headaches from Ginko, but not stomach upsets.  We are all

so different in our chemical make-ups - perhaps, you could take the ginko

with strong peppermint tea.  This is used for taking elderberry, which can

upset the stomach.



A milder vaso-dilator is Bilberry, I believe.  And Gotu-kola is for the

head/brain.  Read up on these two.  Bilberry is used for the eyes, but if

it improves circulation to the eyes, it probably has the same effect on the

brain.



Rusty



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Bob & Rusty Taylor                  "Wealth is not what you have,

Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)                           Sterling W. Sill

Non-commercial webpages: www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor



*************************************************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: sinucheck: l shipley

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@NETUSA1.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 20:50:58 -0700

--------

Mike & Linda Shipley wrote:

>

> Morgan,

> My metabolism has really slowed down as I am in my 40's and have a 6 yr.

> old who is a very very picky eater like her father.  I try to eat un-

> processed food, natural and low fat as I can.  I must have my protein

> as I am low blood sugar, but I really like to eat fruits and veggies and

> rice.  I am making alot of changes in my diet and it is a struggle to

> try and educate my daughter/husband and educate myself. I wish I had

> known about herbs  before I had a baby (and 2 miscarriages).  I might

> have found something to help. My daughter didn't sleep thru the night

> til she was 2 1/2.  Mercy.  I take St. Johnswort, Kava, Valerian for

> depression-not all at once or daily.  Nettles and a hay fever tincture

> has helped with my allergies.  I have found that sugar makes my mucus

> thick and runny.  (sorry) But since I am human, i fail and eat sugar

> once in a while but try to only once a year on my birthday.  Anyway,

> elecampe really help to get rid of the mucus.  However, I need to really

> cut out the sweets.  A good herb tea called 3 Ginseng Tea I drink at

> night and A.m.  I like the peppermint tea alot.  It is really good for

> headaches.  Also, I have found if I take a really small dose of

> Sinucheck

> (no commercial interest) it really wards off allergies. (It has ephedra

> scullcap,peony, dong quai,, licorice rt., ginger root + some in it.) I

> only take one capsule and the directions say 2 every 4 hours.  It can

> raise your blood pressure (ephedra).  A good ole' sinus mask frozen

> helps

> those headaches, too. Exercise is real important as are creativity and

> outdoors.  I am rambling so I'll shut up.  Thanks.

> Linda S.

Linda,

If I might wager a guess: sinucheck before bedtime ( you said you take

it in the p.m.) might hinder a good nights' sleep. Furthermore headache

is one symptom of high blood pressure and those herbs taken in

combination will raise blood pressure, I know. If my guess is correct,

you might try one or two teaspoons of honey: uh-oh, sugar. Oh well, it

has worked for me to sleep well. If it's locally produced honey it will,

over a couple of months, moderate significantly your allergies; it does

me anyway.

Mike





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: sinucheck: l shipley

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:45:36 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-16 10:28:21 EDT, you write:

(snipped)

<< If my guess is correct,

 you might try one or two teaspoons of honey: uh-oh, sugar. Oh well, it

 has worked for me to sleep well. If it's locally produced honey it will,

 over a couple of months, moderate significantly your allergies; it does

 me anyway.

 Mike >>



Rather than the honey, may I suggest buying bee pollen from a local aviary

(bee keeper).  I only pay $8.00/lb from a local bee keeper.  Take 1 to 3 tsp.

every day year round.  Works on a great many problems.



Traiteusse@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Archives, was Re: Wheatgrass

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 04:41:13 GMT

--------

On Mon, 8 Sep 1997 12:53:31 -0700, Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>On Mon, 8 Sep 1997, Carol Lively <clively@ONRAMP.NET> wrote:

>>Howdy Henriette!

>>

>>I've only been subscribed to the herb list for a month or so, but

>>have read all of the archives, and I would like to take this

>>opportunity to thank you for all of your great contributions to this

>>list!

>>

>Archives?  Where?  Can I get them too???



Unedited archives are available from the listserv; beware, unedited means

there's ads, me-too's, 'private' emails, some doubles, etc... and there's

archives on the listserv for the last 8 months or so only.



Edited archives are available from my www or ftp site (see .sig). Here you'll

find archives from 1994 onwards. And in those is -only- on-topic stuff. No ads,

no me-too's, no 'private' emails, no doubles, no etc.

(Which is why I'm so active in keeping the list to it's topic (by private email)

- I aim for the point where I don't have to delete -anything- before archiving).



Cheers

Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Nasal Polyps

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Mon, 8 Sep 1997 23:22:03 -0700

--------

Hi

A while back I posted a message about smelling something that

wasn't there (phantom smell) and smell distortion, or just

plain not smelling at all.  Well, most advised me to get to

the doctor for a check, and I was a "good girl" and did that

today (finally).  It appears that I have a polyp, and he is having me

spray it with cortisone spray (Flonaise) once a day, then

will do a cat scan in about a month of the sinuses.  Are there

any herbs good for this?  I am thinking of White Oak Bark, but

wonder if there are other suggestions, herbs and otherwise.



Thanks!

claudia

--

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / Home Page

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

How Herbs Found Us





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt?

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 14:48:46 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

 ...But now I'm finding lemon balm sprouts as far away as four feet from 

where they were originally planted. I think they are sprouting from seed, 

...



I ADD:

The best way to keep plants like this from spreading by seed is to enjoy the flowers a day or two and then harvest them for use.   



You can cut up to 2/3 of the plant at one time.  Since the essential oils in most herbs are at their peak just before and at the time the firts buds open, doing this gives you the most potent herb for use AND prevenys the plant from setting seed.  No seed, no volunteers. 



I usally get three harvests a growing season this way.

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt?

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 13:06:42 -0700

--------

On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US> wrote:

>YOU WROTE:

> ...But now I'm finding lemon balm sprouts as far away as four feet from

>where they were originally planted. I think they are sprouting from seed,

>...

>

>I ADD:

>The best way to keep plants like this from spreading by seed is to enjoy the

flowers a day or two and then harvest them for use.

>

>You can cut up to 2/3 of the plant at one time.  Since the essential oils in

most herbs are at their peak just before and at the time the firts buds open,

doing this gives you the most potent herb for use AND prevenys the plant from

setting seed.  No seed, no volunteers.

>

>I usally get three harvests a growing season this way.

>KB

>



I NOW ADD:



Ok, what is Lemon Balm Sprouts used for?? Benefits and makes it worth growing if

it is such a nuisance :o)



Paula





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt?

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:07:53 -0500

--------

According to The Healing Herbs by Castleman, it is used by contemporary

herbalists to "induce sweat and menstruation, recomended to treat

headache, flatulence, hypertension, stress, bronchitis, indigestion,

asthma, and infant colic...balm contains chemicals (polyphenols) that may

help fight several infection-causing bacteria, among them streptococci and

mycobacteria.  Balm also contains eugenol, an anesthetic, that may help to

relieve wound pain...balm oil-the source of the plants pleasant

fragrance-may have a tranquilizing effect..." (and it goes on and on, but

I'm tired of typing)  This same book recommends tying balm in a cloth and

running your bathwater over it, making compresses with it for use on

wounds, making an infusion--two teaspoons of leaves per cup of water,

steep 10 to 20 minutes--this is my favorite, it tastes great and the book

says it may also "soothe the stomach, fight infection, or ease menstrual

pain".  genus species: Melissa officinalis, aka lemon balm, bee balm,

melissa, sweet balm, cure all.



I'd definitely say it was worth the trouble....



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu



On Tue, 9 Sep 1997, Paula Warner wrote:>

> Ok, what is Lemon Balm Sprouts used for?? Benefits and makes it worth growing if

> it is such a nuisance :o)

>

> Paula

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt?

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:54:50 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

Ok, what is Lemon Balm used for?? Benefits and makes it worth growing if

it is such a nuisance :o)



I ADD:

A salve or a strong tea from LB is one of the best treatments for the herpes virus.  It is also usful for digestive ailments, headaches (which are often linked to poor digestion), colds, flues, nervous exhaustion, depression, tension, etc.



It it is anti-viral, antibacterial, mildly sedative and promotes sweating, yet is mild and is the best for treating colds in babies and young children.  An added plus is that it tastes good and so you can gets the kids to drink it without a fuss.

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: St. John's Whort

From: eberginnis <eberginnis@WWD.NET>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 23:26:21 -0000

--------

>From various magazine articles I've read, it is my understanding that St.

John's Whort is good for depression and anxiety.  Has anyone ever taken it

before for either of these symptoms?  Results?????????



Thanks,



Rhonda Berginnis





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal First Aid Kits

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 20:14:44 -0400

--------

There are several herbs that can assist in first aid situations:



Calendula for cuts and scrapes

Mullein oil for earaches

Dried mullein for colds and beginnings of flu

Elder, yarrow, peppermint dried tea for colds

Herbal throat drops for sore throat

Witch hazel for cuts and wounds

Tea Tree Oil for minor fungus infections (this antidotes most homeopathic

remedies so do not take with homeopathy)

Echinacea; garlic caps, vitamin C with rosehips or ester C for minor

bacterial and viral infections

Rashes, itehing, swelling can be helped by a aloe vera gel, or calendula

ointment

Pain Cramps or headaches do well with valerian, chamomile, lobelia tincture,

feverfew extract

Sleep problems on the road do well with valerian or passion flower

For stress passion flower, chamomile, or scullcap tea works well

Indigestion and gas can be helped by ginger root tea or caps; although I buy

ginger beer from safeway and it is wonderful

And of course my favorite - rescue remedy which is a Bach Flower Remedy.  It

is a must for any kind of trauma.



There are so many, many more.  Most of us would include our favorites and

that comes with experiencing the herbs.  My choices are based largely on what

I grow here and can get ready to carry with me when I go on a trip or am away

from the farm with children on field trips.



Hope this is a help.

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com

The Conley Farm

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal First Aid Kits

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:56:00 -0700

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>There are several herbs that can assist in first aid situations:

>

>Calendula for cuts and scrapes

>Mullein oil for earaches

>Dried mullein for colds and beginnings of flu

>Elder, yarrow, peppermint dried tea for colds

>Herbal throat drops for sore throat

>Witch hazel for cuts and wounds

>Tea Tree Oil for minor fungus infections (this antidotes most homeopathic

>remedies so do not take with homeopathy)

>Echinacea; garlic caps, vitamin C with rosehips or ester C for minor

>bacterial and viral infections

>Rashes, itehing, swelling can be helped by a aloe vera gel, or calendula

>ointment

>Pain Cramps or headaches do well with valerian, chamomile, lobelia tincture,

>feverfew extract

>Sleep problems on the road do well with valerian or passion flower

>For stress passion flower, chamomile, or scullcap tea works well

>Indigestion and gas can be helped by ginger root tea or caps; although I buy

>ginger beer from safeway and it is wonderful

>And of course my favorite - rescue remedy which is a Bach Flower Remedy.  It

>is a must for any kind of trauma.

>

>There are so many, many more.  Most of us would include our favorites and

>that comes with experiencing the herbs.  My choices are based largely on what

>I grow here and can get ready to carry with me when I go on a trip or am away

>from the farm with children on field trips.

>

>Hope this is a help.

>Mary Conley, MNH





Mine is very similar - altho, I have tinctured alot of my herbs to keep in

my first aid kit (yarrow, elder, echinacea, nettles, plantain, lobelia,

etc.).  I also have...



black walnut hull tincture that I made this year (to replace tincture of iodine)

Dr. Christopher's formula - B&B tincture

small bottle of Dr. Christopher's formula - Anti Plague

essential oils - clove, peppermint, lavendar, eucalyptus

powdered cayenne, slippery elm, ginger and goldenseal (all separate)

Usnea tincture (anti-fungal)

Mullein flower oil and garlic oil

I've just made some calendula oil (soon I'll make ointment) to add

Sensei Essential Balm (like Tiger Balm, but no petroleum jell)

Dr. Christopher's BF&C ointment

Debra St. Claire's recipe: Children's Tonic (a glycerite)

Arnic Montana 30X homeopathic pills - I take these everywhere!

and assorted bandages, etc.

Kurt King's book "Herbs to the Rescue"



I pack all the 1 oz. dropper bottles and other bottles in old towels that

can also be used for messy injuries.



This is not a tiny kit - the bag is about 22"x14"x8".  But, so far it has

worked out great.  I haven't needed everything, but I've been glad for it

on a number of occasions!



Rusty



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Bob & Rusty Taylor                  "Wealth is not what you have,

Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)                           Sterling W. Sill

Non-commercial webpages: www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal First Aid Kits

From: Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:32:06 -0400

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Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor wrote:

>

> >There are several herbs that can assist in first aid situations:

> >

> >Calendula for cuts and scrapes

> >Mullein oil for earaches

> >Dried mullein for colds and beginnings of flu

> >Elder, yarrow, peppermint dried tea for colds

> >Herbal throat drops for sore throat

> >Witch hazel for cuts and wounds

> >Tea Tree Oil for minor fungus infections (this antidotes most homeopathic

> >remedies so do not take with homeopathy)

> >Echinacea; garlic caps, vitamin C with rosehips or ester C for minor

> >bacterial and viral infections

> >Rashes, itehing, swelling can be helped by a aloe vera gel, or calendula

> >ointment

> >Pain Cramps or headaches do well with valerian, chamomile, lobelia tincture,

> >feverfew extract

> >Sleep problems on the road do well with valerian or passion flower

> >For stress passion flower, chamomile, or scullcap tea works well

> >Indigestion and gas can be helped by ginger root tea or caps; although I buy

> >ginger beer from safeway and it is wonderful

> >And of course my favorite - rescue remedy which is a Bach Flower Remedy.  It

> >is a must for any kind of trauma.

> >

> >There are so many, many more.  Most of us would include our favorites and

> >that comes with experiencing the herbs.  My choices are based largely on what

> >I grow here and can get ready to carry with me when I go on a trip or am away

> >from the farm with children on field trips.

> >

> >Hope this is a help.

> >Mary Conley, MNH

>

> Mine is very similar - altho, I have tinctured alot of my herbs to keep in

> my first aid kit (yarrow, elder, echinacea, nettles, plantain, lobelia,

> etc.).  I also have...

>

> black walnut hull tincture that I made this year (to replace tincture of iodine)

> Dr. Christopher's formula - B&B tincture

> small bottle of Dr. Christopher's formula - Anti Plague

> essential oils - clove, peppermint, lavendar, eucalyptus

> powdered cayenne, slippery elm, ginger and goldenseal (all separate)

> Usnea tincture (anti-fungal)

> Mullein flower oil and garlic oil

> I've just made some calendula oil (soon I'll make ointment) to add

> Sensei Essential Balm (like Tiger Balm, but no petroleum jell)

> Dr. Christopher's BF&C ointment

> Debra St. Claire's recipe: Children's Tonic (a glycerite)

> Arnic Montana 30X homeopathic pills - I take these everywhere!

> and assorted bandages, etc.

> Kurt King's book "Herbs to the Rescue"

>

> I pack all the 1 oz. dropper bottles and other bottles in old towels that

> can also be used for messy injuries.

>

> This is not a tiny kit - the bag is about 22"x14"x8".  But, so far it has

> worked out great.  I haven't needed everything, but I've been glad for it

> on a number of occasions!

>

> Rusty

>

> *************************************************************************

>

> Bob & Rusty Taylor                  "Wealth is not what you have,

> Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

> rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)                           Sterling W. Sill

> Non-commercial webpages: www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor

>

> *************************************************************************



Hi Rusty,



Thanks for all our information on the list.  I'm really collecting a lot

of

useful info here, primarily for me; but, hoping I can help someone else

in

the future.



Could you list the uses for your "first aid kit" stuff?  And where

appropriate

the sources for some of the commercial products.  If this is old stuff

for

"old timers" in the list you could send direct to my Email.



Thanks so much.



Carter Cole

coleb@ncweb.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal First Aid Kits

From: Roxanne Zeto-Brennan <Rox4synch@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:54:37 -0400

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>Tea Tree Oil for minor fungus infections (this antidotes most homeopathic

>remedies so do not take with homeopathy)

  Hi Mary,

     I understand the mechanisms of, and some homeopathic products/uses, but

since I use Tea Tree quite often, this fact is quite helpful to me.  Is this

common knowledge to homeopathic practitioners (from their training) or from

another reference point/experience?

     Thanks for sharing the knowledge......Roxanne



Synchronicity Throuch Touch

Va Beach, VA

Rox4synch@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal First Aid Kits

From: Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:10:36 -0400

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Roxanne Zeto-Brennan wrote:

>

> >Tea Tree Oil for minor fungus infections (this antidotes most homeopathic

> >remedies so do not take with homeopathy)

>   Hi Mary,

>      I understand the mechanisms of, and some homeopathic products/uses, but

> since I use Tea Tree quite often, this fact is quite helpful to me.  Is this

> common knowledge to homeopathic practitioners (from their training) or from

> another reference point/experience?

>      Thanks for sharing the knowledge......Roxanne

>

> Synchronicity Throuch Touch

> Va Beach, VA

> Rox4synch@aol.com

Hi Roxanne, et al:



I feel like I'm butting in; maybe should listen awhile longer on this

list,

since I'm relatively new here.



May have some relevant info from what I've been reading and learning

while

studying Homeopathy & medicinal herbals.



Homeopaths, especially the traditional(clasical) practitioners, will say

that

you should do either/or (herbal or homeopathy).  This derives from their

training which indicates that all herbal elements are "active" in some

way

on the body, mind & soul. This is said to be true especially for those

"highly aromatic" substances, such as: the mints, pine, camphor, etc.



I have read of some Naturopaths and Holistic practitioners who combine

these

natural methods with great success.  It probably requires an intimate

knowledge

of the activity of all these substances.  For homeopathy some of the

known

antidotes are listed in Materia Medica with Reprtory by Wm Boericke, MD.



An important note is, don't store homeopathic remedies near your

aromatics!



Hope this is some help.  Please excuse the intrusion.

Thanks for your sharing on the list.  I have been learning a lot since I

signed on.



Carter Cole

coleb@ncweb.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treasure Hunt/plants that spread

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Tue, 9 Sep 1997 19:46:22 -0500

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I think its all in the way you look at it.  I have lemon balm and feverfew

that seed themselves all over, so as a result I have little "volunteers"

all over, but I can pull them as easily as any other weed, and when a

friend wants some, I can dig up a whole plant for them.  Granted, my

landlady always asks me am I "going to DO anything with that plot this

year" because the garden looks a little less orderly than a vacant lot,

but hey, life is short...



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: I can't say it all!!!

From: DADO5 <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:34:22 +0000

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Dear List,



Thank you so very much for your outpouring of kindness and help with my

question on sore and bleeding gums for me daughter....I phoned her this

am to tell her I would be compiling all the post on her situation and

she told me it had cleared up!



Anyway I asked her if she was using "mint" toothpaste and lo and behold,

she was!  She uses an herbal type toothpaste with oil of peppermint in

it along with some other additives...



I told her to discontinue the mint type of toothpaste and she does floss

already so that was good to know.



Anyway, thanks again for all of your help..



sincerely,

John Amphlett





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Common Thread

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:03:52 -0400

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Hi all list servies,



I am curious...There are so many well informed people on this list: some

about growing herbs, some about using them medicinally and some about

culinary uses.



How did people get interested in learning about herbs?  How did you

continue learning (besides this list, of course)?  What bring us all

together?



Food for thought...



Wendy.

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Common Thread

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 12:30:17 -0400

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In a message dated 97-09-10 12:07:31 EDT, you write:



<< How did people get interested in learning about herbs?  How did you

 continue learning (besides this list, of course)?  What bring us all

 together?



 Food for thought...



 Wendy. >>



Hi, Wendy,

This is such an interesting question, I hope the list doesn't mind some human

interest stories-they're my favorite part.



I was born in the slums of Philadelphia and can still remember every weed and

bush that grew among the concrete and brick like it was imprinted on my mind.

 Even though I left there at 4yrs. to go in foster homes, they had already

attracted me.  When I was sent to the foster parents, when I was 5, who later

adopted me, their home was out in the country.  I was in hog heaven.  I would

wander through the woods and fields from dawn to dark.  At first they sent

searchers out for me thinking I was lost, but no amount of punishment would

keep me at home and indoors.  They finally let me roam.  I have never gotten

enough of watching nature.  The rabbits, birds and other animals would come

right up near me without any fear.  Even though we lived in heavy snake

areas, I was never bitten by the many snakes I came close to.  The turtle

became my totem, the dragonfly my spirit.  As the years have gone by (I am

pushing 60 now), my interest has never wavered.  I could never get enough

information about home remedies using plants, etc. It has only been in recent

years that I decided to give up everything else and study what has always

been my  first love-plants and their medicinal uses.  Now I am flat broke,

happy, and writing books about them.  I only wish I had had the opportunity

to have started much sooner in my life.  I have asked God to give me a few

more years to make up for it. :-)



I believe I was born with the interest in and love of herbs and all of

nature.  It was always there.



Traiteusse@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Common Thread

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:39:41 -0700

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At 12:30 PM 9/10/97 -0400, Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

 wrote:

>In a message dated 97-09-10 12:07:31 EDT, you write:

>

><< How did people get interested in learning about herbs?  How did you

> continue learning (besides this list, of course)?  What bring us all

> together?

>

> Food for thought...

>

> Wendy. >>

>

>Hi, Wendy,

>This is such an interesting question, I hope the list doesn't mind some human

>interest stories-they're my favorite part.

>

>I was born in the slums of Philadelphia and can still remember every weed and

>bush that grew among the concrete and brick like it was imprinted on my mind.

> Even though I left there at 4yrs. to go in foster homes, they had already

>attracted me.  When I was sent to the foster parents, when I was 5, who later

>adopted me, their home was out in the country.  I was in hog heaven.  I would

>wander through the woods and fields from dawn to dark.  At first they sent

>searchers out for me thinking I was lost, but no amount of punishment would

>keep me at home and indoors.  They finally let me roam.  I have never gotten

>enough of watching nature.  The rabbits, birds and other animals would come

>right up near me without any fear.  Even though we lived in heavy snake

>areas, I was never bitten by the many snakes I came close to.  The turtle

>became my totem, the dragonfly my spirit.  As the years have gone by (I am

>pushing 60 now), my interest has never wavered.  I could never get enough

>information about home remedies using plants, etc. It has only been in recent

>years that I decided to give up everything else and study what has always

>been my  first love-plants and their medicinal uses.  Now I am flat broke,

>happy, and writing books about them.  I only wish I had had the opportunity

>to have started much sooner in my life.  I have asked God to give me a few

>more years to make up for it. :-)

>

>I believe I was born with the interest in and love of herbs and all of

>nature.  It was always there.

>

>Traiteusse@aol.com



This thread has touched me, too.  I grew up in a small town about a mile

from a wonderful lake (one of only two in the world with a "sealed" bottom)

in North Idaho.  Much like you, Henriette, my formative years were spent

communing with nature and exploring the woods, marshes and fields

surrounding the region.  I touched, smelled and tasted every plant (those I

intuitively was drawn to), I studied every seasonal change and would

philosophically ponder my existence for hours on my favorite "moss huntin'"

trail around the lake.  I can still traverse quickly without tripping in a

dark forest.  And when I am there, my sense are so heightened that I can

hear a car miles away coming up the road.   I even made friends with a

cougar (as much as anyone can really be close to such a wild majestic

creature) in my childhood.  I didn't have anyone in my life to teach me

medicinal uses during these early years; like you, oh how I wish I had.  My

teen years and early adult life took me on a different path professionally

(I became a folklorist and public program administrator) and we moved into

the city when I was 16, but I always kept a thread of connection for my own

enlightenment and enjoyment and continued exploring plants everywhere I

went.  I still do.  I began growing and experimenting with my own medicinal

herbs in the early 60's, and eventually formalized my herbal and

aromatherapy education in early middle age.  Six years ago, I left my other

profession completely and embarked on my business, having resolved to

follow my heart.  Some of my folkloric study revolved around the

cross-cultural uses of medicinal herbs, so I was even still connected to

plants in that regard.   I return every year with my grandsons, various

nephews and other hangers on to a lake cabin where I grew up in what we

loosely call "boys camp" and I lure them to the hidden haunts of my

childhood and teach them what I wished someone had taught me way back then.

 They are very receptive, they have a great interest in what "Grande" is

doing with the things she picks or pulls from the ground.  I don't think

they are just being polite, I think kids today have more information and

intelligence than we give them credit for.  We watch the Eagles dive for

fish in the late afternoon just like I did when I was their age, and I feel

good about being able to pass on information to them about the wonders of

nature and her healing gifts.  You and I are probably in the same age

group, Henrietta, and I not only hope, but I intend, to have many more

years to learn more and continue sharing.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

On The Web Soon (Soon Being A Relative Term, Of Course)

Beautiful Concentrated Strength St. John's Wort Oil Available Now!!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Common Thread

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:13:01 -0400

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My story:

I spent the first 9 years of my life in a tract home built on the richest

black earth I have ever seen, before or after.  My grandmother planted an

acacia tree in honor of my birth and it was the only climbable tree for

miles around.  I spent many days , and even nights after my parents fell

asleep, in the arms of the tree.  My parents transformed the lot with

Monterrey pines, apple trees, a fascinating castor bean tree and furry

tropical-looking rice paper plants (not to mention a tangle of delicious

honey-filled nasturtiums).  My 3 foot square plot on the side of the

house was intensively cultivated with corn, chard, sunflowers and

tomatos.  Most of my early memories have to do with plants.



On weekends and the summer we would travel to a cabin in the redwood

country, where I felt I "really" grew up.  My sister and I had free rein

to wander along the dirt roads, through patches of scotch broom and sweet

peas, to scratch our name along the moss wall, to collect acorns and

madrone bark "paper", to pick the giant oxalis and to discover redwood

burls.  I took to sleeping on the cot on the front porch where I would

wake up at first calling, before dawn, when the birds and squirrels would

riotously sing.  The chickadees would come and eat bread crumbs out of my

hand.  I began to rise early and take intensely long walks over short

distances, observing every detail possible in the different types of

mosses and various wildflowers, staying quiet enough that the deer might

venture near.  I read everything I could get my hands on about wild

plants- Bradford Angier's Wildwood Wisdom, the Boy Scout Field Book,

Golden book nature guides, Euell Gibbons.  When I wasn't hiking, I was

collecting rocks along the Russian River and the Pacific coast.



Eventually my family moved to the edge of the suburbs where the ridge of

an oak scrubland forested hill had been developed with houses and the

forested yards dropped suddenly off, inaccessible except to the curious.

I followed deer trails and spent hours roaming in the woods over the

cliff.  My grandmother helped me identify flowers and edible plants and I

helped her garden, in a variety of California habitats.



After I moved east I realized that I lacked the connection to the earth I

had in the west where I could identify most of the common weeds.  I

undertook to learn them, going hiking with my Peterson's field guides.  I

remember the satisfaction I felt when walking along a railroad right of

way in upstate New York, I could recognize over half of the weeds and

wildflowers.  I knew that I had succeeded in making the area my home.



Years of medical problems for myself and my family resolved better with

herbs and accupuncture than with conventional medicine.  I had the good

fortune to have an accupuncturist who had studdied both eastern and

western herbalism (with Simon Mills) and taught me much for several

years.  I took courses with Annemarie Corbin on food and healing,

workshops with Susun Weed, Pam Montgomery and Amanda McQuade Crawford and

Michael Tierra's professional herbalist correspondence course.  I attend

conferences annually where I can get hands-on experience in workshops

with major herbalists.  And I study, grow plants and manufacture  herbal

medicine to keep growing.



After my other profession deteriorated in the recession I took several

months off developing, planting and caring for a church garden which I

designed as an herbal teaching garden.  I teach workshops, lead weed

walks, plan gardens and train scouts in edible plant recognition.

Patients are a few years off, but that's where I am headed.  I wish I had

made the transition earlier, but life is a journey back into the center.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



>><< How did people get interested in learning about herbs?  How did you

>> continue learning (besides this list, of course)?  What bring us all

>> together?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Common Thread

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 19:45:19 -0400

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In a message dated 97-09-10 12:07:45 EDT, sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM writes:



<< How did people get interested in learning about herbs?  How did you

 continue learning (besides this list, of course)?  What bring us all

 together? >>



Hi Wendy.



For me, it's just a natural extension of my life-long love of growing things.

Sadly, until now, I've never had much of an outlet for it. Even apartments

I've lived in in the past didn't have balconies or access to outside garden

space, so mostly I've grown the typical house plants. However, five years ago

we bought a house, so now I have a yard, and am slowly teaching myself

landscape planning, flower gardening, vegetable gardening, and of course

HERBS! I have a little herb patch outside my kitchen door with mostly

culinary herbs, but I'm delighted to find that some of them, like my lemon

balm, have other properties too! I am very much a neophyte and, since I have

three young children, don't have much time to devote to reading. This list is

(so far) my main source of info on medicinal herbs. Soon I hope to check out

from the library some of the books that folks on the list have mentioned, and

maybe even buy one or two to start my personal herbal library.



Thanks for asking an interesting question!

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Common Thread

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:26:59 -0700

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Hi!



>How did people get interested in learning about herbs?  How did you

>continue learning (besides this list, of course)?  What bring us all

>together?



I became interested in herbs over 11 years ago when I went through

many spells of bad health, and cycles of antibiotics that didn't

work.  I am also sensative to almost all chemical drugs.  A friend

shared the benefits of herbs with me and I have been "hooked" ever

since.  I read all I can, am taking courses in nutritional counseling,

and over the past year have discovered a wealth of information

by joining lists such as this and surfing the net.  More detail on

my story is on one of the the pages in my web site:

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

Visit if you have time, and don't forget to sign my guest book

so I know you were there :-)



claudia

--

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / Home Page





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Common Thread

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:55:54 -0700

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>How did people get interested in learning about herbs?  How did you

>continue learning (besides this list, of course)?  What bring us all

>together?

>

>Wendy.





I've enjoyed reading about others' beginnings in herbalism - here's mine...

I grew up wandering the fields, woods, streams and forests of upstate NY

and the Adirondacks.  Everything outdoors was interesting to me, but I

steered clear of gardens, because that meant WORK!  (Mom was an avid

gardener and needed someone to help her weed.)



When I went to college, I went on a 28-day survival trip (in the canyons

and mountains of south-central Utah).  Because we ate some plants (not

alot) during part of the trip, I became very interested in the Native

American cultures, the edible uses of plants and eventually the medicinal

uses of plants.  In '74, I worked in a health food store, and started

buying books, learning about herbs and using them.  I started drinking

herbal teas, for a while I was a strict vegetarian, and turned to fasting

and herbs to heal myself when all my friends turned to their doctors.  I

spent some time in Japan, and even there I used the most simple things -

slices of onion for a sore throat, and herbal teas (sent by friends in the

States).



I continued on that level - personal use and reading books here and there -

until about 5 years ago.  Something (internal) told me that it was time to

study formally, and that is what I have been doing.  I'm taking the courses

thru Dr. Christopher's School of Natural Healing out of Springville, Utah.

It was more a matter of knowing people there, rather than any great process

of elimination, as to why I picked this school.  I have also been attending

local classes (by local herbalists - to get more hands-on experience) and I

got to go to the Herbal Symposium down by Portland this last Memorial Day

weekend.  That was a treat!  I collect, grow, and process my own herbs for

the most part.  Most of what I have actually dealt with is common stuff

with kids and a family.  We have been blessed with no more serious illness

than a broken leg and (when we first adopted our boys from Korea) TB and

pneumonia.  We went the route of antibiotics for the TB, and have spent

several years correcting the aftermath with herbs and diet.  I'm not sorry

we did that, but it has been work to undo the harm.



I read voraciously, and subscribe to nearly every herbal publication you

can name.  I seek both the old-time info on how herbs have been used

traditionally, and the more recently studies being done on herbs and how

they actually work in our bodies.



Oh, and talk about coming full circle... now *I* have the gardens, and my

boys help ME with weeding!  Ha!  I bet Mom is laughing at that in the

spirit world!



Rusty  ;^)



*************************************************************************



Bob & Rusty Taylor                  "Wealth is not what you have,

Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)                           Sterling W. Sill

Non-commercial webpages: www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Common Thread

From: Roxanne Zeto-Brennan <Rox4synch@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:24:46 -0400

--------

>I grew up wandering the fields, woods, streams and forests of upstate NY and

>the Adirondacks.  Everything outdoors was interesting to me, but I steered

clear >of gardens, because that meant WORK!

  Well....hello Rusty !

     I, too, grew up in the Adirondack region (Saratoga Springs).  I, too,

steered clear of gardening, because it meant work.....HARVESTING, DRYING,

PRESERVING, CANNING!  Funny, I know enjoy doing that stuff I hated doing as a

kid!

     I got into herbal properties/uses about 4 years ago.  As an RN I was

tired of feeling not being able to reach/touch/treat patients as a whole

being......paperwork, protocols, medical heirachy, blah, blah,blah!  I

learned of the  American Holistic Nurses Assoc. ....and, took the plunge into

it's certification program for Holistic Nursing (still working on it....into

3 of 4 phases).  Within the first level my eyes were opened to.....where do

pharmaceuticals come from???  Dahhh......molds, fungus, PLANTS!  I KNEW

THIS!!.....but, my brain had been in  medical/allopathic mode for sooo many

years.  I was reawakened  to mind/body/spirit concepts and natural healing

alternatives/choices that are nothing new.....we just forgot them with the

advent of modern medicine (western) and technology!

     I, also, because of that awakening, went to massage school...becoming a

CMT,...got into another cert program (still working on it) becoming a Healing

Touch Practitioner, got into aromatherapy (yet to do the cert program).

 So.....besides being an NICU RN (utilizing aromatherapy/massage with babies

& parents....yep, I went throught a cert program and became an Infant Massage

Instructor), Breastfeeding/Lactation Consultant in my hospital (yep....going

through that cert program slowly too) (yep....utilizing herbs/teas for those

lactating/nursing moms), I also have a holistic/alternative health-care,

massage therapy business.  I am experiencing what nursing is

about......touching, assisting that human being back towards health, towards

less pain.......working with who they are-totally.

     Well.....I've rambled on enough.  Back to my studies.....



     Love and light,

     Roxanne



Roxanne Zeto-Brennan, RN,CMT,IMI,HTP

Synchronicity Through Touch

Va Beach, VA

Rox4synch@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help for burns?

From: Connie Williams <willys@LVDI.NET>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:12:34 -0700

--------

Hi! I am new to your list and from quickly scanning the messages I've gotten

(for the first time this am) I can see that I am going to enjoy getting

them. I hate to join a list and first-off ask for help, but circumstances as

they are, I could use some... Does anyone know of any herbal compresses,

teas, etc. that are useful for the healing of 2nd degree burns, especially

any remedies that might lessen contractures at the joints? 2 weeks ago my

husband suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns over 25% of his body-upper

extremities, trunk, back mostly.  He is now out of the hospital and we are

doing some ozone treatments and also using ozonated olive oil, but I am

interested in any ideas anyone might have in helpful herbal treatments too.

I am an RN and know a little about herbology, but almost nothing about burn

care (although I am learning that now too).  TIA!

Connie Williams

willys@lvdi.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for burns?

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 15:02:44 -0400

--------

Connie Williams wrote:

>

> Hi! I am new to your list and from quickly scanning the messages I've gotten

> (for the first time this am) I can see that I am going to enjoy getting

> them. I hate to join a list and first-off ask for help, but circumstances as

> they are, I could use some... Does anyone know of any herbal compresses,

> teas, etc. that are useful for the healing of 2nd degree burns, especially

> any remedies that might lessen contractures at the joints? 2 weeks ago my

> husband suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns over 25% of his body-upper

> extremities, trunk, back mostly.  He is now out of the hospital and we are

> doing some ozone treatments and also using ozonated olive oil, but I am

> interested in any ideas anyone might have in helpful herbal treatments too.

> I am an RN and know a little about herbology, but almost nothing about burn

> care (although I am learning that now too).  TIA!

> Connie Williams

> willys@lvdi.net



Fresh Aloe Vera works well for burns and will help keep the infections

down. The stuff in the bottles at the health food stores is useless.

Can you come up with some Aloe plants? Fresh Comfrey is also very

helpful, the leaves may irritate some so you may need to use the root.

Fresh is best, put it in a food processor, but dry root will help, too.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for burns?

From: "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@SNARK.WIZARD.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:29:52 -0700

--------

Connie Williams wrote:

> Hi! I am new to your list and from quickly scanning the messages I've gotten

> (for the first time this am) I can see that I am going to enjoy getting

> them. I hate to join a list and first-off ask for help, but circumstances as

> they are, I could use some... Does anyone know of any herbal compresses,

> teas, etc. that are useful for the healing of 2nd degree burns, especially

> any remedies that might lessen contractures at the joints? 2 weeks ago my

> husband suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns over 25% of his body-upper

> extremities, trunk, back mostly.  He is now out of the hospital and we are

> doing some ozone treatments and also using ozonated olive oil, but I am

> interested in any ideas anyone might have in helpful herbal treatments too.

> I am an RN and know a little about herbology, but almost nothing about burn

> care (although I am learning that now too).  TIA!

> Connie Williams

> willys@lvdi.net







Connie:

        Hello, and welcome to the list.  I had burned my arm a few years

ago while cooking a large turkey.  I almost dropped it, and the juices

went all over my wrist, and hand.  I had 2nd, and 3rd degree burns.  I

cleaned the areas three times a day with peroxide. I then took fresh aloe

vera, peeled the outer skin off, (knife or vegetable peeler works fine)

placed the flesh of the aloe vera on the affected area, then wrapped in

sterile gauze.  I have no scars on my arm, wrist, or hand from this.  My

mother in-law is a retired nurse, and she was the only Dr. I saw.  The

aloe had a soothing effect, and felt cool.  I needed to change it three

times a day, since it absorbed into the skin.  Someone more knowledgeable

may be able to tell you some teas that may be of help to you.  I hope

he has a speedy recovery.



Best wishes



--

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for burns?

From: Silver Sage <ssage@IDYLLWILD.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 13:42:14 -0700

--------

A word about comfrey...  it speeds tissue regeneration at an

amazing rate.  I would make sure that there is absolutely no

infection present in the wound site, as comfrey can cause the

skin to heal over very quickly, trapping infection underneath.



Don't get me wrong, I use a salve that I make containing comfrey

(and golden seal and echinacea)  for all kinds of minor wounds,

cuts, abrasions, etc.,  (never puncture wounds, however) and I

sing comfrey's praises all the time.  Just a word of caution.



Blessings

Silver Sage (ssage@idyllwild.com)



Dances with Herbs for all your herbal needs!

http://www.idyl.com/shops/dancesh.htm



Silver Sage: The Outrageous Herb Lady, history

lore, recipes, articles and more.

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/8300







----------

> From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>



> Fresh Aloe Vera works well for burns and will help keep the

infections

> down. The stuff in the bottles at the health food stores is

useless.

> Can you come up with some Aloe plants? Fresh Comfrey is also

very

> helpful, the leaves may irritate some so you may need to use

the root.

> Fresh is best, put it in a food processor, but dry root will

help, too.

> ---------------------

> Mary Satchell

> St. Francis Herb Farm

> mailto:satch@eos.net

> ---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for burns?

From: Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:07:54 -0400

--------

Connie Williams wrote:

>

> Hi! I am new to your list and from quickly scanning the messages I've gotten

> (for the first time this am) I can see that I am going to enjoy getting

> them. I hate to join a list and first-off ask for help, but circumstances as

> they are, I could use some... Does anyone know of any herbal compresses,

> teas, etc. that are useful for the healing of 2nd degree burns, especially

> any remedies that might lessen contractures at the joints? 2 weeks ago my

> husband suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns over 25% of his body-upper

> extremities, trunk, back mostly.  He is now out of the hospital and we are

> doing some ozone treatments and also using ozonated olive oil, but I am

> interested in any ideas anyone might have in helpful herbal treatments too.

> I am an RN and know a little about herbology, but almost nothing about burn

> care (although I am learning that now too).  TIA!

> Connie Williams

> willys@lvdi.net

Hi Connie,

I'm new to  the list; but, I have had / am having some experience with

burns.  What I'm dealing with now, was self inflicted!?  Attempted to

cure a recurring abscess with raw gwrlic.  I can imagine the

excruciating pain your husband must be having!



Anyway, I haven't come up with any effective natural (herbal or

homeopathic) remedy to deal with the pain.  What I have learned is that

Vitamin E is very effective in preventing scarring.  I don't know if the

olive oil treatment provides this benefit or not.  I understand that the

trick is to prevent to rapid formation of tissue over the wound which

can cause infection problems.  This could happen with some herbals which

promote rapid healing such as comfrey.  One suggestion I've seen is to

add a few drops of lavender oil to the Vit E.  I've tried aloe, but

don't have a plant.  Sounds like your husbands wound would require a

large amount.



Hope there is some help there.

Good luck.

Carter Cole

coleb@ncweb.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for burns?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:36:54 -0800

--------

At 11:07 PM 9/10/97 -0400, Cole wrote:

>Connie Williams wrote:

>>

>> Hi! I am new to your list and from quickly scanning the messages I've

gotten

>> (for the first time this am) I can see that I am going to enjoy getting

>> them. I hate to join a list and first-off ask for help, but

circumstances as

>> they are, I could use some... Does anyone know of any herbal compresses,

>> teas, etc. that are useful for the healing of 2nd degree burns, especially

>> any remedies that might lessen contractures at the joints? 2 weeks ago my

>> husband suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns over 25% of his body-upper

>> extremities, trunk, back mostly.  He is now out of the hospital and we are

>> doing some ozone treatments and also using ozonated olive oil, but I am

>> interested in any ideas anyone might have in helpful herbal treatments too.

>> I am an RN and know a little about herbology, but almost nothing about burn

>> care (although I am learning that now too).  TIA!

>> Connie Williams

>> willys@lvdi.net

>Hi Connie,

>I'm new to  the list; but, I have had / am having some experience with

>burns.  What I'm dealing with now, was self inflicted!?  Attempted to

>cure a recurring abscess with raw gwrlic.  I can imagine the

>excruciating pain your husband must be having!

>

>Anyway, I haven't come up with any effective natural (herbal or

>homeopathic) remedy to deal with the pain.  What I have learned is that

>Vitamin E is very effective in preventing scarring.  I don't know if the

>olive oil treatment provides this benefit or not.  I understand that the

>trick is to prevent to rapid formation of tissue over the wound which

>can cause infection problems.  This could happen with some herbals which

>promote rapid healing such as comfrey.  One suggestion I've seen is to

>add a few drops of lavender oil to the Vit E.  I've tried aloe, but

>don't have a plant.  Sounds like your husbands wound would require a

>large amount.

>

>Hope there is some help there.

>Good luck.

>Carter Cole

>coleb@ncweb.com

>

>

Oh yes! Lavender oil! It's antiseptic and promotes healing of tissues.  It

would be excellent.  You might try some direct applications of Essential

oil of Lavender or put some in the olive oil you are using.  I'll bet

you'll be able to see rapid healing.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for burns?

From: Lory Ann Smith <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 20:39:50 -0400

--------

Hi Connie,

    You might try aloe & lavender  -  about 2 Tbs. aloe gel, 10 drops

lavender essential oil, and 2 drops vitamin E - I mix it in a small spray

bottle so I don't have to touch the burn more than just bandaging it. My

husband used this when he burned himself with the hot glue gun.... minor

compared to your hubby, but it should help. Lavender is supposed to help

prevent scarring, as well. God bless!    Lory





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for burns?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:27:05 -0800

--------

At 11:12 AM 9/10/97 -0700, Connie Williams wrote:

>Hi! I am new to your list and from quickly scanning the messages I've gotten

>(for the first time this am) I can see that I am going to enjoy getting

>them. I hate to join a list and first-off ask for help, but circumstances as

>they are, I could use some... Does anyone know of any herbal compresses,

>teas, etc. that are useful for the healing of 2nd degree burns, especially

>any remedies that might lessen contractures at the joints? 2 weeks ago my

>husband suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns over 25% of his body-upper

>extremities, trunk, back mostly.  He is now out of the hospital and we are

>doing some ozone treatments and also using ozonated olive oil, but I am

>interested in any ideas anyone might have in helpful herbal treatments too.

>I am an RN and know a little about herbology, but almost nothing about burn

>care (although I am learning that now too).  TIA!

>Connie Williams

>willys@lvdi.net

>

>

Being an RN, I'm sure you're aware of the possibilities of infection from

such things as compresses in the early stages of burns.  However, one of

the best things for burns is Aloe vera.  I've used it on burns as bad as

2nd degree (not as extensive as this though).  I apply gel from the leaves

directly to the burned area several times a day.  It hastens healing,

reduces scarring, and helps aleviate pain.  In minor burns, it can

eliminate pain quickly and almost immediately.  Just apply it as often as

necessary.

Taking it internally can be helpful I think, being careful not to take too

much because it is VERY laxative and can contribute to dehydration if

overused.  Not good for a burn victim.  Another herb that helps heal and

grow tissues is Comfrey.  It can be taken internally and used externally as

a compress or poultice. A stimulant such as Prickly ash might be helpful

used in conjunction with this as well as a demulcent such as Mullein.  You

can combine several herbs for burns.  I'll think on this and maybe write

more later after reading feedback.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for burns?

From: Alma Butterfield <Mombutter@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:41:37 -0400

--------

I know it's not an herb, but vitamin E is wonderful and it keeps the skin

from scaring.

My uncle was standing infront of a chicken broiler and it blew up causing

second and third degree burns to his face, neck and arms.  My mother, who was

a nurses aid many years ago, threw the hospital creams away and used vit. e

on his burns.  He has one small scar on his upper lip where he refused to

have "that messy oil" on his mustache.  Best of luck.



Alma



Mombutter@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for burns?

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:56:05 -0700

--------

>Connie Williams wrote:

>> Hi! I am new to your list and from quickly scanning the messages I've gotten

>> (for the first time this am) I can see that I am going to enjoy getting

>> them. I hate to join a list and first-off ask for help, but circumstances as

>> they are, I could use some... Does anyone know of any herbal compresses,

>> teas, etc. that are useful for the healing of 2nd degree burns, especially

>> any remedies that might lessen contractures at the joints? 2 weeks ago my

>> husband suffered 2nd and 3rd degree burns over 25% of his body-upper

>> extremities, trunk, back mostly.  He is now out of the hospital and we are

>> doing some ozone treatments and also using ozonated olive oil, but I am

>> interested in any ideas anyone might have in helpful herbal treatments too.

>> I am an RN and know a little about herbology, but almost nothing about burn

>> care (although I am learning that now too).  TIA!

>> Connie Williams

>> willys@lvdi.net

>

>

>

>Connie:

>        Hello, and welcome to the list.  I had burned my arm a few years

>ago while cooking a large turkey.  I almost dropped it, and the juices

>went all over my wrist, and hand.  I had 2nd, and 3rd degree burns.  I

>cleaned the areas three times a day with peroxide. I then took fresh aloe

>vera, peeled the outer skin off, (knife or vegetable peeler works fine)

>placed the flesh of the aloe vera on the affected area, then wrapped in

>sterile gauze.  I have no scars on my arm, wrist, or hand from this.  My

>mother in-law is a retired nurse, and she was the only Dr. I saw.  The

>aloe had a soothing effect, and felt cool.  I needed to change it three

>times a day, since it absorbed into the skin.  Someone more knowledgeable

>may be able to tell you some teas that may be of help to you.  I hope

>he has a speedy recovery.





Others have recommended lavendar essential oil (I just learned about this

one this year and it sounds great) and vit. E oil.  The only other thing I

can recommend is Dr. Christopher's burn ointment recipe... 1 part ea. of

wheat germ oil (high in vit. E - as fresh as possible, or a reliable

brand), honey and comfrey root powder.  I have only used it on little burns

at home, nothing as bad as you describe.  But Dr. Christopher told of two

boys who both burned their hands playing with firecrackers or gunpowder -

one went to doctors and ended up with useless hands.  The other followed

Dr. Christopher's advise, and the hands healed with little scarring.  I

have included Lavendar Essential Oil in my first aid kit, because it is

difficult to carry around fresh wheat germ oil to make a burn ointment away

from home.



Good luck!



Rusty



*************************************************************************



Bob & Rusty Taylor                  "Wealth is not what you have,

Poulsbo, WA                               but what you are."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)                           Sterling W. Sill

Non-commercial webpages: www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 17:30:06 -0400

--------

Dentists prescribe Xanax for the treatment of clenching and TMJ at night.

 The idea is that it relaxes the facial muscles enough to stop the clenching.

 The horror is that this is a highly addictive drug (even though drug

salesmen tell docs it isn't).  I have seen some very sad stories of people

prescribed this drug well into years and having a terrible time getting off

of it.



The frontal lobe area of the brain is the site that controls earaches, teeth

and jaw problems, as well as headaches over the eyes.  Herbal analgesics are

particularly effective for this area.  They include:



White Willow Bark, St. John's Wort, Valerian Root, Scukllcap, Passion Flower,

CWild Lettuce and Kava Kava seem to help this problem at night.



Anybody else have any suggestions?



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching

From: Ginny Dudek <gdudek.uncson@MHS.UNC.EDU>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:53:43 -0400

--------

I would add Chamomile, B vitamins for stress and , in addition to

relaxing music and not watching the news at bedtime:)

Ginny





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching

From: "Tracy L. Petkovsky" <Tlpetk@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:04:22 -0400

--------

In a message dated 9/11/97 11:00:06 AM Eastern Daylight Time, you write:



> not watching the news at bedtime:)

Good idea...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching

From: Cherie Capps <herbs@ORDATA.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:32:20 -0700

--------

Mary Conley, MNH wrote:

>

> Dentists prescribe Xanax for the treatment of clenching and TMJ at night.  The idea is that it relaxes the facial muscles enough to stop

the clenching.



> Anybody else have any suggestions?



Good old massage works wonders.  If there is a muscle problem, why not

contact a muscle specialist.  Paul St. John Neuromuscular Therapy (NMT)

has a good technic for releasing these muscles. I have a national

directory of therapists.

Cherie



--

________________________________

   Center For Herbal Studies

          Eugene OR

--------------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:29:07 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-11 04:01:18 EDT, Herbgrow30@AOL.COM writes:



<< Dentists prescribe Xanax for the treatment of clenching and TMJ at night.

  The idea is that it relaxes the facial muscles enough to stop the

clenching.

  The horror is that this is a highly addictive drug (even though drug

 salesmen tell docs it isn't).  I have seen some very sad stories of people

 prescribed this drug well into years and having a terrible time getting off

 of it.



 The frontal lobe area of the brain is the site that controls earaches, teeth

 and jaw problems, as well as headaches over the eyes.  Herbal analgesics are

 particularly effective for this area.  They include:



 White Willow Bark, St. John's Wort, Valerian Root, Scukllcap, Passion

Flower,

 CWild Lettuce and Kava Kava seem to help this problem at night. >>



Thanks, Mary.



I won't go the Xanax route. I'm presently trying to wean myself from Zoloft

(right now, about 25mg once every 2 days), and having a tough time. Once

you're on these, it IS hard to get off, although the Zoloft was a life-saver

when I needed it.



I am completely unfamiliar with CWild Lettuce. Can you tell me more about it?



Thanks!

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lavender?!?

From: Kali <kali@INTERNETX.NET>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:33:53 -0500

--------

        Hello, i've been lurking around for a while...  I'm kinda

shy when it comes to chatting.



        I have a question to ask about Lavender.  I have been wanting some

lavender forever, to make some oils, soaps, and bath salts.  I've tried to

grow my own for two years, but with no success.  Yesterday,

I found a type of lavender, (I think).  It's called "Green Lavender Cotton".

(It's real name is "Santolina Virens")  Is this a true lavender?  Also, how

on earth do I use it?  It has no floweres or anything as of yet.  It sort of

looks like Rosemary, in a way...



        If the leaves can be used, i'd like to use some right away.

As everyone can see, i'm very impatient!  :)  Does anyone have any

information on this?  I'd greatly appreciate it!



Thanks,

*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=**=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*=*

    *Kali*

Mommy to Dylan James Atkinson -BORN July 16th!!!!!

kali@internetx.net

***U P D A T E D *** http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/2700/

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender?!?

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:13:46 -0400

--------

Kali,

Although Santolina Verdis (syn.S.virens) also called Holy Flax is called

lavender cotton and French lavender, it is not really a member of the

lavender family (Labiatae - species Lavendula Angustifolia).  It belongs to

the daisy family (Compositae - species Santolina chamaecyparissus) Verdis

means green .  This does not mean it doesn't have medicinal value - just that

it is different - its use goes back to medival times where it was used as a

kidney cleanse, and as an aid in curing jaundice.  It has also been used to

kill intestinal parasites.  Current use includes those.  A wash made from the

yellow flower and leaves is said to heal ringworm and persistent scabs on the

skin.  The scent, while heavily aromatic is also quite different than that of

lavencer.  - Hope this helps

Peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender?!?

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:01:15 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

Yesterday, I found a type of lavender, (I think).  It's called "Green Lavender Cotton".  (It's real name is "Santolina Virens")  Is this a true lavender?  Also, how on earth do I use it?  It has no floweres or anything as of yet.  



I ADD:

This is not a true lavender and is more commonly called Santolina.  The leaves are used most often but the flower heads (buttons) can be dried also.

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & Body Heat

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:37:53 -0400

--------

I don't have heat reactions, but I do get skin erruptions occasionally

from St. J., especially in tincture form.  (I get skin erruptions on

occasion from kelp, Chinese Modular "clear heat" tincture, and overdosing

on dairy.)  I think it is a matter of dosage sensitivity.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 29 Aug 1997 18:09:50 -0400 "Mary Conley, MNH"

<Herbgrow30@AOL.COM> writes:

>Jill wrote about having a heat reaction to taking SJW.  Sometimes when

>medication is titrated (adjusted) to your body dose, it is adjusted

>until

>your body has a reaction - heat being one of the reactions a doctor

>looks

>for.  At that point you are said to be at your bodily level.

>

>For example years ago I was given tincture of belladonna for a stomach

>ailment.  I was told to start with 5 drops three times a day and to

>increase

>upward a drop a day until my vision became blurred.  At that time I

>was to

>stop increasing the dose, adjust back a bit until I was comfortable

>and take

>the drops at that level.

>

>It may be that you are at your bodily level for SJW, but I would

>caution you

>on taking it further without some professional guidance.

>

>Has anyone else had such an experience?

>

>In health -

>Mary Conley, MNH

>Herbgrow30@aol.com

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & Body Heat

From: Mike Buttino <mbuttino@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:27:31 EDT

--------

On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 23:37:53 -0400 Karen Vaughan

<creationsgarden@JUNO.COM> writes:

>I don't have heat reactions, but I do get skin erruptions occasionally

>from St. J., especially in tincture form.  (I get skin erruptions on

>occasion from kelp, Chinese Modular "clear heat" tincture, and

>overdosing on dairy.)  I think it is a matter of dosage sensitivity.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

I also don't have heat reactions..What happens to me is after I capsule I

feel like I did back in my "Hippy Days"...Kinda real mellow etc. I

recently read that you should not take St. John's Wort with

coffee.Anyway, I have stopped taking

it for the time being.Just wanted to put me 2 cents in

Mike Buttino

Sardinia,NY

mbuttino@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & Body Heat

From: "Tracy L. Petkovsky" <Tlpetk@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:52:01 -0400

--------

In a message dated 9/11/97 6:30:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, you write:



> I also don't have heat reactions..What happens to me is after I capsule I

>  feel like I did back in my "Hippy Days"...Kinda real mellow etc. I

>  recently read that you should not take St. John's Wort with

>  coffee



I have heat reactions, but around 4 hours after taking a pill.   I take SJW

2-3 times a day.  I tend to notice more heat while sleeping.  I haven't heard

of taking/not taking with coffee.  Please respond further on this Mike.



Thanks,

Tracy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Wintering Potted Herbs

From: Cindy Leggett <hotspace@BLUE.MISNET.COM>

Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:40:29 -0600

--------

Hi -



I have several good-sized pots of assorted herbs that I really don't

want to lose to the winter weather. There are several varieties of

mint, several basils, some lemon balm, thyme, marjoram, oregano,

patchouli, and chamomile. IOW, I would like to have these same

plants to start out with in the spring. If I slipped them out of the

pots and sat them in the ground, dirt and all, do you think they

would come back in the spring? I would love for my mints and lemon

balm to "grow like weeds" as I have animals who love them and I can't

seem to be able to ever grow enough for them and me, too.





Cindy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wintering Potted Herbs

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:29:35 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-11 03:55:33 EDT, hotspace@BLUE.MISNET.COM writes:



<< I have several good-sized pots of assorted herbs that I really don't

 want to lose to the winter weather. There are several varieties of

 mint, several basils, some lemon balm, thyme, marjoram, oregano,

 patchouli, and chamomile. >>



Hi Cindy. You don't say where you live, but I'll speak as if you were in my

zone, Zone 7, in Maryland. We can get fairly cold in the winter and the

ground will freeze, but we'll also get a few good thaws, too. A temperate

winter, I guess you'd say.



My lemon balm, mints, and oregano come back year after year. They are planted

in the ground and allowed to reseed/die back naturally. I have only just this

year planted thymes and marjoram, but I'm planning on letting them go to the

elements, too, and seeing what happens. Basil will NOT overwinter where I am.

I must either buy seed in the spring, buy transplants, or replant a cutting

taken from last year's plants. I have never grown patchouli or chamomile. I

*think* patchouli is tropical, so you'll have to bring that in, as well. I

*think* but am not sure that chamomile would overwinter in the ground. Others

will, I'm sure, have better info than I, on those herbs.



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wintering Potted Herbs

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:16:12 -0400

--------

Cindy-



It depends upon the hardiness of the herbs and your location.  I live in

NYC (zone 6-7) but no direct light in the back yard in winter and my

mints and lemon balm in the raised beds usually come back.  Some mints

are more tender, but chocolate mint and peppermint even come back in

pots, as does the beautifully invasive lemon balm.  OTOH, I always lose

my sage and oregano, but marjoram comes back most years.



Basil is an annual and you may be able to prolong it by bringing it

inside, but it will die.  You might let some of it go to seed and see if

it will reseed.  Hasn't for me, but my conditions are not optimal.



Chamomile might come back, depending upon your zone, but you might want

to bring some inside- a mixed strategy.  Patchouli sounds tropical or

thereabouts and probably needs to come in, as would lemon verbena in zone

7 or colder.



Temperature and snow cover provide very different conditions.  My brother

in law can grow oxalis on the Olympic penninsula where he gets 12 feet of

snow a year, but I can't  on the other coast, where we get maybe 2 feet

at a time.  The difference is that we get more days below freezing while

his plants have all that white insulation.



I lost a passionflower rated for zone 7 this last mild winter, although

it was next to a brick wall with a boiler chimney in a place that got

sun.  This coming "bad winter" may provide extra protection if there is a

lot of snow on the ground.  Go figure.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Wed, 10 Sep 1997 22:40:29 -0600 Cindy Leggett

<hotspace@BLUE.MISNET.COM> writes:

>Hi -

>

>I have several good-sized pots of assorted herbs that I really don't

>want to lose to the winter weather. There are several varieties of

>mint, several basils, some lemon balm, thyme, marjoram, oregano,

>patchouli, and chamomile. IOW, I would like to have these same

>plants to start out with in the spring. If I slipped them out of the

>pots and sat them in the ground, dirt and all, do you think they

>would come back in the spring? I would love for my mints and lemon

>balm to "grow like weeds" as I have animals who love them and I can't

>seem to be able to ever grow enough for them and me, too.

>

>

>Cindy

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wintering Potted Herbs

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:03:43 -0400

--------

Hello Cindy -



Another Marylander adding her two cents worth.  Years ago my husband and son

got really tired of tripping over pots of herbs growing all over the kitchen

every winter.  Actually it took them two winters to get the hint!  Then they

built me a greenhouse on the end of our barn.  It's not big so I have to be

careful not to overcrowd but here's what I do.



I dig up some of the plants I want to use fresh during the winter and keep

them in large pots.  Some of them are heal-all; scullcap; boneset; basil;

feverfew; meadowsweet; calendula; and hyssop.  You have to be careful to

really supplement with a broad spectrum solar light.  Even then on some long

grey winter days the plants just don't grow as when they are exposed to real

sunlight.  My windows face east and south but I get the setting sun also so I

get as much sunlight as I can get.



Last year I also grew some vegetables but they are so prone to whiteflies

that I had an infestation that I was not pleased with and took a long time to

get rid of.  So, I froze more veggies this summer and won't grow them in the

greenhouse.



Basil won't return as Anne said.  Chamomile will return in zone 7 if you

cover it with either shreaded newspaper, straw, or a remay covering.  I get

remay from Gardens Alive (no commercial interest) on big bolts and use it to

cover all of the raised herb beds anyway.   Last year I lost an oregano and a

rosemary (very unusual), but it does happen.  Also some of my lavenders are

classified as "tender" perennials versus a perennial and I will also take

care to cover them up more.



Getting ready for winter has been a big job around here, but the use of the

remay (a spun fabric) has helped.  Still there are losses and you have to

expect that.  I do find that most herbs can tolerate being dug up and

transplanted for winter in large pots.  I use a few drops of rescue remedy in

their transplant water and it really helps with shock.



I grow herbs that I use here on the farm for family and friends.  Each of us

will have favorites and will want to grow our own selections, but it can be

done.



Happy growing!

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wintering Potted Herbs

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:47:14 -0400

--------

>Hi -

>

>I have several good-sized pots of assorted herbs that I really don't

>want to lose to the winter weather. There are several varieties of

>mint, several basils, some lemon balm, thyme, marjoram, oregano,

>patchouli, and chamomile.



Basil is an annual.  Eventually it will die out.  If left to seed it will

die out sooner.  To prolong it's life keep the flowers pinched off.  I have

kept mine growing for a lengthy time indoors.  I take cuttings and root

them.  I do this every few weeks to keep it fresh for winter.  Patchouli is

a tender perenial.  It has to come inside in most zones.  You can make

cuttings of this.  It roots easily and then you will have plenty to start

you out again next year.  It does spread very well here in zone 5.  My mints

have always come back each year.  Same with my lemon balm, thyme and

oregano.  The marjoram never survives my winters.  But that is okay.  Most

herb books that I have read have stated that marjoram and oregano should be

treated like an annual and replanted every year if it is to be used for

culinary purposes.  If you are using it for ground cover then it doesn't matter.



What zone are you in?



One other thing.  If the roots don't have time to take hold before winter

comes, you should probably bring them in and overwinter that way.



Not an expert, just personal experience with my own herbs.  :)



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wintering Potted Herbs

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:09:48 -0500

--------

What area are you living in?  Basil will not overwinter.  Best policy with

basil is to take it inside.   Lemon balm, thyme, marjoram, oregano--these

have a chance if they are well established before the freeze.  You will

also want to mulch heavily with something like straw or leaves (grass

clippings aren't as good, but if they're all you've got they're better

than not mulching). If you plant them in a sheltered location that keeps

its snow-cover this will help them, too.  Don't know much bout patchouli,

though.



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu



On Wed, 10 Sep 1997, Cindy Leggett wrote:



> Hi -

>

> I have several good-sized pots of assorted herbs that I really don't

> want to lose to the winter weather. There are several varieties of

> mint, several basils, some lemon balm, thyme, marjoram, oregano,

> patchouli, and chamomile. IOW, I would like to have these same

> plants to start out with in the spring. If I slipped them out of the

> pots and sat them in the ground, dirt and all, do you think they

> would come back in the spring? I would love for my mints and lemon

> balm to "grow like weeds" as I have animals who love them and I can't

> seem to be able to ever grow enough for them and me, too.

>

>

> Cindy

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: white flies- off topic

From: Barbara Birkinbine <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:15:51 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-11 03:52:47 EDT, you write:



<< On Thu, 4 Sep 1997, Kathryn Bensinger wrote:



 > YOU WROTE:

 > I have a small infestation of white flies.  What is the best way to get

rid of them.  They are in the herb garden so I can not use insecticides.  And

not sure about soapy water either.   Help! >>



Richters carries a product called Scan Mask (no commercial interest) that is

a predatory nematode (Neoaplectana carpocapse).  This product will kill the

larvae in the soil where whiteflies originate.  I have not used this,

however, and was wondering if anyone had experience with it?  Also, can this

be found in the US?



Regards,

Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

OakCamp@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wintering Potted Herbs- off topic

From: Barbara Birkinbine <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 09:20:23 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-11 03:55:02 EDT, Cindy Leggett wrote:



<< I have several good-sized pots of assorted herbs that I really don't

 want to lose to the winter weather. There are several varieties of

 mint, several basils, some lemon balm, thyme, marjoram, oregano,

 patchouli, and chamomile. IOW, I would like to have these same

 plants to start out with in the spring. If I slipped them out of the

 pots and sat them in the ground, dirt and all, do you think they

 would come back in the spring?  >>



What zone are you in, Cindy?



Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

OakCamp@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic band aids

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:21:37 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-11 05:11:13 EDT, you write:



<< Dentists prescribe Xanax for the treatment of clenching and TMJ at night.

    ........  Herbal analgesics are particularly effective for this area.

 They include:

 White Willow Bark, St. John's Wort, Valerian Root, Scukllcap, Passion

Flower,

 CWild Lettuce and Kava Kava seem to help this problem at night.



 Anybody else have any suggestions?



 In health -

 Mary Conley, MNH >>



Mary - have you tried a combination of Damiana, SJW, and Eleuthro - 2/1/5 in

an infused  tea or capsule X 3/day.

What we all sometimes forget is that natural medicine is supposed to fix the

underlying cause of our difficulties not just mask the symptoms.  We also

tend to forget that the biggest difference between herbies and the allopathic

community is that we don't have any magic bullets that work the way the MTV

generation has come to believe that everything should work  -

IMMEDIATELY!!!!!  - the world in search of instant gratification!

  TMJ is rooted in a deep seated stress or anxiety that can have a thousand

different components - but generally not one which the individual is given to

shaing or releasing - instead it is all internalized - and comes out in some

as TMJ and others in any number of other ways - reflux- hives - tics etc.

 Healing - real healing  - cannot begin until the underlying problem is

addressed . You need to feed and calm the system and relieve the stress -

lacking that the problem will persist.

Good luck in your endeavors

Peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic band aids

From: Cherie Capps <herbs@ORDATA.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 08:48:25 -0700

--------

Peter Byram wrote:

>

> In a message dated 97-09-11 05:11:13 EDT, you write:

>

> << Dentists prescribe Xanax for the treatment of clenching and TMJ at night.

>     ........  Herbal analgesics are particularly effective for this area.

>  They include:

>  White Willow Bark, St. John's Wort, Valerian Root, Scukllcap, Passion

> Flower,

>  CWild Lettuce and Kava Kava seem to help this problem at night.

>

>  Anybody else have any suggestions?

>

>  In health -

>  Mary Conley, MNH >>

>

> Mary - have you tried a combination of Damiana, SJW, and Eleuthro - 2/1/5 in

> an infused  tea or capsule X 3/day.

> What we all sometimes forget is that natural medicine is supposed to fix the

> underlying cause of our difficulties not just mask the symptoms.  We also

> tend to forget that the biggest difference between herbies and the allopathic

> community is that we don't have any magic bullets that work the way the MTV

> generation has come to believe that everything should work  -

> IMMEDIATELY!!!!!  - the world in search of instant gratification!

>   TMJ is rooted in a deep seated stress or anxiety that can have a thousand

> different components - but generally not one which the individual is given to

> shaing or releasing - instead it is all internalized - and comes out in some

> as TMJ and others in any number of other ways - reflux- hives - tics etc.

>  Healing - real healing  - cannot begin until the underlying problem is

> addressed . You need to feed and calm the system and relieve the stress -

> lacking that the problem will persist.



Hardly!  The real problem is usually sitting in the dentists chair for a

few hours with your jaw tight - or driving thru narly traffic.

--

________________________________

   Center For Herbal Studies

          Eugene OR

--------------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic band aids

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:10:24 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-11 13:09:42 EDT, herbs@ORDATA.COM writes:



<< >   TMJ is rooted in a deep seated stress or anxiety that can have a

thousand

 > different components - but generally not one which the individual is given

to

 > shaing or releasing - instead it is all internalized - and comes out in

some

 > as TMJ and others in any number of other ways - reflux- hives - tics etc.

 >  Healing - real healing  - cannot begin until the underlying problem is

 > addressed . You need to feed and calm the system and relieve the stress -

 > lacking that the problem will persist.



 Hardly!  The real problem is usually sitting in the dentists chair for a

 few hours with your jaw tight - or driving thru narly traffic. >>



I don't think anyone can really generalize about this problem's etiology.

With some folks it'll be due to stress. With others, not. With me, it's

because I have, at the ripe old age of 36, two baby molars that have no

permanent buds. It's a genetic defect, and not terribly rare so I'm told.

Those two little teeth, being shorter and wider than the rest, have thrown my

bite off, so that when I'm not aware of it, my jaw clenches trying to find a

"comfortable" resting spot. Eventually the teeth will fall out and I'll have

bridges -- but my problem will remain, unless I get extensive orthodontia at

that time, which will probably be more trouble than worth it. My night guard

has helped immensely.



Unfortunately, I don't think there are any herbal treatments to aid a bad

bite! I was looking more for something that would ease the stiffness and

soreness in the morning and help the muscles relax so they won't *want* to

clench so much. Thanks to those who responded with some ideas!



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic band aids

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 03:27:28 -0400

--------

Thanks Peter for the wise words!



Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Health

From: Sherri <seer7@DNACO.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:58:21 -0400

--------

Hi,

Does anyone have any advice for my friend?  Below is a list of what has

happened to him.

Sherri

___





> You may not be hearing much from me for a while.  If you remember when I was in Belize recently I contracted another bout of Dengue fever.

>

> Well the backlash has happened and as a result I recently had a major heart attack caused by damaged heart arteries.  On top of that I also have an active and bleeding pyloric gastric ulcer about the size of a quarter in my stomach caused by medication and the accompanying bleeding caused by hemorrhagic Dengue.

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herb Info Needed for Cellulitis

From: MintJulep <mintjulep@COASTALNET.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:20:13 -0400

--------

I have an elderly friend who has cellulitis in her leg--right above her

ankle.  This condition originated from a minor bump into a piece of

furniture and has turned into something the medical professionals haven't

been able to handle.  She is experiencing edema, pain and an abcessed area

that is not responding to traditional treatment ie antibiotics and

hydrotherapy.  This has been worsening for three months and I'm beginning to

fear that she will never heal up.  She does not have diabetes nor any other

health problems...other than normal aging.  She is 85.  Any help you can

offer will be appreciated.

pat b.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb Info Needed for Cellulitis

From: "Lisa A. Bock" <LBock60727@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 11:47:26 -0400

--------

Hi, I am new to your list . I have had an interest in herbs and alternative

medicine. I am a vegetarian for 20 years and have a chronically ill child. My

nine year old daughter had encephalitis when she was almost 5 years old and

has been having seizures ever since. This has peaked my interest in herbs and

I  have been working on boosting her general health through chiropractic,

nutrition and herbal supplements.



In a answer to your question - it sounds like an injury my father-in-law had

a while back, he is 83 years old. It truned out that the absecced area had a

local fungus infection after a long period of useless antibiotic treatment an

anti-fungal agent cured him right up- has this possibility been looked into?

I do not know of an herbal treatment for fungal infections.  Enjoyed your

list Lisa from Orange County NY





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb Info Needed for Cellulitis

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:06:50 -0400

--------

Pat,

I would suggest a number of things -

first external - a compress of goldenseal and comfrey with 1/10 part organic

cayenne starting with a mix of 1 part comfrey powder to 8 goldenseal powder

in a water based paste increasing the comfrey a little each day - Comfrey has

incredible healing power and can often cause the skin to heal over an

infection below - the goldenseal is to guard against the potential for

infection.  If you use teaspoons as a measure you should use less than 1/2

teaspoon under a steril pad each day - simply increase the "reserve" powder

by a teaspoon of comfrey every other day and re-mix.



Internally I would suggest 2-300 mg of cayenne, some extra C, some Co-Q-10,

and some goldenseal ( no more than 5 days to a week of internal goldenseal  -

it tends to raise hell with the lower tract if taken lower and destroys good

flora in the large intestine- for the edema - and since it is unclear whether

it is localized or throughout the system, I would suggest a dandelion tea -

sparingly to reduce overall retention and to build up potassium and other

depleted minerals.

Let me know how things work out - and if this doesn't appear to be working

within a day or two - get back to me - off list and I can suggest a couple of

"forbidden topics" to try.

Peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb Info Needed for Cellulitis

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:44:42 -0800

--------

At 11:20 AM 9/11/97 -0400, MintJulep wrote:

>I have an elderly friend who has cellulitis in her leg--right above her

>ankle.  This condition originated from a minor bump into a piece of

>furniture and has turned into something the medical professionals haven't

>been able to handle.  She is experiencing edema, pain and an abcessed area

>that is not responding to traditional treatment ie antibiotics and

>hydrotherapy.  This has been worsening for three months and I'm beginning to

>fear that she will never heal up.  She does not have diabetes nor any other

>health problems...other than normal aging.  She is 85.  Any help you can

>offer will be appreciated.

>pat b.

>

>

This sounds like a job for the Mullein Compress which I have mentioned

several times on the list.  If you need the recipe, I'll send it privately.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb Info Needed for Cellulitis

From: Becky Byla <byla@CALSHP.CALS.WISC.EDU>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:26:03 CST

--------

  She is experiencing edema, pain and an abcessed area

>>that is not responding to traditional treatment ie antibiotics and

>This sounds like a job for the Mullein Compress which I have mentioned

>several times on the list.  If you need the recipe, I'll send it privately.



Turmeric is reported to be extreemly helpfull for folks

with "intractable leg ulcers". Use the powder.

Becky





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb Info Needed for Cellulitis

From: Don Wayne <Mirepoix@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 21:26:34 -0400

--------

you write:



<I have an elderly friend who has cellulitis in her leg--right above her

ankle.  This condition originated from a minor bump into a piece of

furniture and has turned into something the medical professionals haven't

been able to handle.  She is experiencing edema, pain and an abcessed area

that is not responding to traditional treatment ie antibiotics and

hydrotherapy.  This has been worsening for three months and I'm beginning to

fear that she will never heal up.  She does not have diabetes nor any other

health problems...other than normal aging.  She is 85.  Any help you can

offer will be appreciated.

pat b.>



Are you sure that she does not have another health problem?  I would want to

varify that with another physician if she has not see one yet.



Doug





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Michael Moore's Home Page

From: PeaceDog <peacedog@ENTERACT.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 10:32:06 -0500

--------

Hi, Everyone,



I tried the address listed previously on HERB for Michael Moore's

Web Site and count not access it.  Through a search, I found this URL,

and I thought I'd pass it on.



http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html



Peace Dog





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Michael Moore's Home Page

From: "James S. Pettigrew Sr." <jspettigrew@ATLANTECH.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:41:33 -0400

--------

Hi Peace Dog,

        Michael Moores home page is the the first site where I was able to get as

indepth knowledge on herbs as i have seen on the net todate. Through out my

searches there has been no other site with as much information about a

subject as this. Being new to this subject of herbs I found his site

fantastic. I only wish more sites were as great as this. (not a promotional

response). If there are any more sites like this please send me their

address (http or ftp).

Thanks

Jim





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Michael Moore's Home Page

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:57:33 -0400

--------

HerbNET's site is a complete herb site with links to Michael Moore's site as

well as every other information oriented herb site....along with herb

schools, herb periodicals, book reviews, herb associations, profiles of

individual herbs.....everything herbal.

http://www.herbnet.com



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: C & O Canal Medicinal Plants

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:33:08 -0400

--------

I just found a database which lists medicinal plants found along the C &

O Canal in the C & O Canal Park.



Marylanders, Virginiaites and DC city folks get out your hiking boots

and check out this site:



http://www.watson.org/rivendell/botanysurvey.html



Wendy

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Aloe

From: Mickie Erickson <Mickie@DECISIONSYS.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:45:00 CDT

--------

>> Fresh Aloe Vera works well for burns and will help keep the infections

down. The stuff in the bottles at the health food stores is useless.

Can you come up with some Aloe plants? <<



Why do you say that the bottled stuff is useless?  Granted I've never

tried it on 2nd degree burns (never had any), but the 100% aloe (plus

preservatives, I imagine) has worked as well on sunburn as the fresh

stuff, and it was the only thing that got me through the rash I got as an

alergic reaction to the pitocin they used on me when I had my 2nd baby

(the MD kept prescribing cortizone, which only made the problem worse)



 ---------------------------------------------------------------------

Mickie Erickson (mickie@decisionsys.com)



  "You are finite, Zathrus is finite, this is wrong tool"

                                              - Zathrus, Babylon 5





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aloe

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 14:13:19 -0500

--------

THEY WROTE:  Fresh Aloe Vera works well for burns and will help keep the infections down. The stuff in the bottles at the health food stores is useless. Can you come up with some Aloe plants? 

YOU ASKED:

Why do you say that the bottled stuff is useless?  Granted I've never tried it on 2nd degree burns (never had any), but the 100% aloe (plus preservatives, I imagine) has worked as well on sunburn as the fresh stuff, and it was the only thing that got me through the rash I got as an allergic reaction to the pitocin they used on me when I had my 2nd baby (the MD kept prescribing cortizone, which only made the problem worse)

I ADD:

I didn't made the top post but can answer the question.  Aloe is very difficult to stabalize once pressed..  Most aloes out on the market haven't been stabalized properly (it costs more) and, while valuable for cleansing purposes, the skin and burn healing componants are gone.  You obviously have used one of the few good brands.  With a serious burn you don't want to take chances that the aloe chosen isn't stabalized.

KB





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aloe

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:35:48 -0400

--------

Aloe vera is very unstable and oxidizes quickly.  Fresh, just peeled aloe

would not have this problem.  Stabilized aloe vera juice from the bottle

may have some benefit, but I would want those  unstable molecules to

scavenge infection and help clean  out the wound.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:45:00 CDT Mickie Erickson <Mickie@DECISIONSYS.COM>

writes:

>>> Fresh Aloe Vera works well for burns and will help keep the

>infections

>down. The stuff in the bottles at the health food stores is useless.

>Can you come up with some Aloe plants? <<

>

>Why do you say that the bottled stuff is useless?  Granted I've never

>tried it on 2nd degree burns (never had any), but the 100% aloe (plus

>preservatives, I imagine) has worked as well on sunburn as the fresh

>stuff, and it was the only thing that got me through the rash I got as

>an

>alergic reaction to the pitocin they used on me when I had my 2nd baby

>(the MD kept prescribing cortizone, which only made the problem worse)

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------------

>Mickie Erickson (mickie@decisionsys.com)

>

>  "You are finite, Zathrus is finite, this is wrong tool"

>                                              - Zathrus, Babylon 5

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aloe

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:25:12 -0400

--------

I use Aloe on burns all the time.  I have given a lot of friends their own

plant to have on hand for burns.  I always have too much aloe but, when you

need a lot, it's there!  It really works well on burns.



Gail B.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Aloe

From: Frank Zachariah <FZachariah@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 08:09:21 -0400

--------

Thanks for all of your good advice.



I live in south Louisiana and Aloe vera does poorly here. However, I have

large stands of Aloe saponaria that thrive- I'm constantly dividing and

sharing it. The sap "feels" the same as A. vera. Certainly as a topical it

seems the same. Does anyone know if this can be a substitute for A. vera? And

does anyone know any other aloes that will survive in zone 8B. We get freezes

normally for a couple of days in the low 20s and my plants have made it

through 15*F.

Thanks again.

Frank





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Altitude sickness?

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:05:35 GMT

--------

Hi guys,



what have you found effective for altitude sickness?

I'll be needing something for that soon, and would appreciate any hints.



Thanks much,

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:35:19 -0700

--------

At 07:05 PM 9/11/97 GMT, Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

 wrote:

>Hi guys,

>

>what have you found effective for altitude sickness?

>I'll be needing something for that soon, and would appreciate any hints.

>

>Thanks much,

>Henriette

>

>--

>Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

>Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





Are you going to be climbing or flying, Henriette?  By sickness, do you

mean nausea?  Or some other manifest form?  You know about ginger for

nausea, either strong tea or chewing the (crystalized) root.  If this

condition is produced from stress, i.e., fear of flying, there are some

essential oil combinations for inhalation that can help, too.  I've not had

much time to post to the list lately, but give us some more details and

I'll see if I can't offer some suggestions.  It would be a pleasure to help

such a good listmom.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

On The Web Soon (Soon Being A Relative Term, Of Course)

Beautiful Concentrated Strength St. John's Wort Oil Available Now!!





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:03:46 -0400

--------

Let me clarify- my hints were for headache, edema and dizziness from

altitude sickness, not airsickness related nausea.



Which reminds me that plenty of oatstraw infusion might help that fluid

retention, in addition to the oxygen-related suggestions.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 13:35:19 -0700 Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

writes:

>At 07:05 PM 9/11/97 GMT, Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

> wrote:



>>what have you found effective for altitude sickness?

>>I'll be needing something for that soon, and would appreciate any

hints.

>

>Are you going to be climbing or flying, Henriette?  By sickness, do you

>mean nausea?  Or some other manifest form?





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:57:34 -0800

--------

At 01:35 PM 9/11/97 -0700, Marcia Elston wrote:

>At 07:05 PM 9/11/97 GMT, Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

> wrote:

>>Hi guys,

>>

>>what have you found effective for altitude sickness?

>>I'll be needing something for that soon, and would appreciate any hints.

>>

>>Thanks much,

>>Henriette

>>

>>--

>>Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

>>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>>      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

>>Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...

>

>

>Are you going to be climbing or flying, Henriette?  By sickness, do you

>mean nausea?  Or some other manifest form?  You know about ginger for

>nausea, either strong tea or chewing the (crystalized) root.  If this

>condition is produced from stress, i.e., fear of flying, there are some

>essential oil combinations for inhalation that can help, too.  I've not had

>much time to post to the list lately, but give us some more details and

>I'll see if I can't offer some suggestions.  It would be a pleasure to help

>such a good listmom.

>

>Be well,

>Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

>Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

>Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

>On The Web Soon (Soon Being A Relative Term, Of Course)

>Beautiful Concentrated Strength St. John's Wort Oil Available Now!!

>

>

Altitude sickness is caused (I think) by very thin oxygen in the air

resulting in oxygen starvation by tissues.  I think I would look at some of

those "oxygen" supplements available these days.  There are several.  It

seems I've read about herbs that help this......where oh where?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:45:15 -0400

--------

I used to have terrible problems with altitude sickness.  The best things

I found were SLOW ascents, with plenty of time to stop and walk around on

the way up.  A day or two at the top altitude to accomodate before I had

something important.  Deep breathing exercises including a spell of rapid

hyperventilation.  Not wearing or carrying something that would reduce

circulation (like a backpack or tight pants).



I wonder whether hydrogen peroxide baths and munching on fresh aloe vera

would help...



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:05:35 GMT Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

writes:

>Hi guys,

>

>what have you found effective for altitude sickness?

>I'll be needing something for that soon, and would appreciate any

>hints.

>

>Thanks much,

>Henriette

>

>--

>Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki,

>Finland

>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or

>sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

>Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff,

>archives...

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:48:49 -0400

--------

There is a product out that is a wrist band that tightens at the wrist area

for nausea.  It is being used on ships and planes as well as in chemotherapy

for nausea.  I don't remember the name yet, but will look it up tomorrow at

work.  Sells for about $10.00 and works on the principle of accupressure

points in the wrist area.  It's pretty popular and available at good

pharmacies.



Also ships are beginning to carry ginger tea and caps for nausea associated

with travel.  I keep some caps in the pharmacy just for persons going on

trips, and boxes of tea on the shelves for the same reason.  It is a

wonderful anti-nauseant.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: "Gail P Beynon." <Beynong@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:23:47 -0400

--------

Ginger for me.



Gail B





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:03:17 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

-------

what have you found effective for altitude sickness?  I'll be needing something for that soon, and would appreciate any hints.



I ADD:

Ginger for nausea.

For oxygen utilization at a cellular level and to speed aclimazation, a good Siberian ginseng (Eleutherococcus senticisus)/ Fo-Ti (Polygonum multiflorum) tonic.

KB 





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:19:06 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-11 15:16:53 EDT, HeK@HETTA.PP.FI writes:



<< what have you found effective for altitude sickness?

 I'll be needing something for that soon, and would appreciate any hints. >>



I am NOT necessarily recommending this, just passing on info that I've HEARD.

Never tried it myself, and have no knowledge as to whether it truly works.

But supposedly the Inca of the Andes mountains chew coca leaves for altitude

sickness. I know one Caucasian woman who tried this, while visiting the

Andes, who claimed that it worked.



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:59:39 -0800

--------

At 06:19 PM 9/11/97 -0400, Anne S. Wityk wrote:

>In a message dated 97-09-11 15:16:53 EDT, HeK@HETTA.PP.FI writes:

>

><< what have you found effective for altitude sickness?

> I'll be needing something for that soon, and would appreciate any hints. >>

>

>I am NOT necessarily recommending this, just passing on info that I've HEARD.

>Never tried it myself, and have no knowledge as to whether it truly works.

>But supposedly the Inca of the Andes mountains chew coca leaves for altitude

>sickness. I know one Caucasian woman who tried this, while visiting the

>Andes, who claimed that it worked.

>

>~~Anne

>dommana@aol.com

>

>

Yeah. Who cares if there's no oxygen, eh?  "I feel fine....."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:00:17 GMT

--------

On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:05:35 GMT, Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>what have you found effective for altitude sickness?

>I'll be needing something for that soon, and would appreciate any hints.



Thanks, folks, for all your prompt replies!

Marcia: I'll be going into the mountains. Altitude sickness makes me dizzy,

-very- tired, fuzzes my thinking, and makes me pee every half hour (or even more

often), and my hands tingle.

I want to be rid of the tiredness, fuzzy thinking and having to pee, the rest I

can live with ;)



thanks, Kathryn, I'll take Eleuthero with me,

thanks, Mary and Gail, I'll take ginger, too,

sorry, Anne, there won't be any coca bushes where I'm going ;)



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:39:42 -0400

--------

hello henriette,



it's been a while;



one of my friends and fellow hebalists is an airline boarding agent

- what in the good old days before "political correctness" we used to

call stewardess. she has been having astounding success on passengers

and crew alike with essential oil of mint (mentha spicata). i use E.O.

of mentha piperita with much the same results. one drop in a

tablespoonful of oil. the results are almost instantaneous. what it does

is it quiets the stomach - no more heaves or queasiness.



good luck. let me know how it works out.



will work on drunken queasiness, and that from gastric flu as well.





take care,



                                        lee





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Drema Bagneschi <drema@ALASKA.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 00:56:47 -0800

--------

Hi!  I have a friend that says when she travels by jet her body swells

and she believes this is from the altitude.  I'm thinking it could be

caused from sitting so long.  She is overweight - how much I do not know

- but I believe she wears a size 30. She will be flying next Wed. and is

already concerned about this.  Any suggestions?



Thanks for your responses!

Drema

drema@alaska.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:33:14 -0400

--------

I suspect that both causes play a part.  I have some trouble with this

myself and find it helps to wear loose clothing, remove shoes, drink

plenty of liquids and to walk around when possible.  I also found some

exercises to do while plane sitting in a Denise Austin collection of one

minute exercises.  It may also help if she does a vigorous terminal to

terminal walk to get her circulation going just before she boards or

changes planes.  A few cayenne capsuls probably wouldn't hurt.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 00:56:47 -0800 Drema Bagneschi <drema@ALASKA.NET>

writes:

>Hi!  I have a friend that says when she travels by jet her body swells

>and she believes this is from the altitude.  I'm thinking it could be

>caused from sitting so long.  She is overweight - how much I do not

>know

>- but I believe she wears a size 30. She will be flying next Wed. and

>is

>already concerned about this.  Any suggestions?

>

>Thanks for your responses!

>Drema

>drema@alaska.net

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Drema Bagneschi <drema@ALASKA.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:57:05 -0800

--------

Karen,

Thank you so much for your response concerning my friend who experiences

swelling of the body when she flys.  We fly tomorrow and I will take

along some cayenne capsules that I have.



Thanks!

Drema

drema@alaska.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Don Wayne <Mirepoix@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:04:50 -0400

--------

Why is the oil used with the EO of  mentha piperita?  What benifit?  Thanks

for your reply.

I am enjoying reading all of you comments and learning much.... Thank you

all.



Doug

Mirepoix@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:50:40 -0700

--------

At 10:04 AM 9/14/97 -0400, Don Wayne <Mirepoix@AOL.COM>

 wrote:

>Why is the oil used with the EO of  mentha piperita?  What benifit?  Thanks

>for your reply.

>I am enjoying reading all of you comments and learning much.... Thank you

>all.

>

>Doug

>Mirepoix@aol.com





Hello Doug,



The reasons you dilute an essential oil with a carrier oil (usually

vegetable oil) is that the essential oil is a very concentrated, potent

strength, and potentially harmful if applied "neat" (undiluted).



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

On The Web Soon (Soon Being A Relative Term, Of Course)

Beautiful Concentrated Strength St. John's Wort Oil Available Now!!





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Altitude sickness?

From: Don Wayne <Mirepoix@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:29:34 -0400

--------

U wrote:

The reasons you dilute an essential oil with a carrier oil (usually

vegetable oil) is that the essential oil is a very concentrated, potent

strength, and potentially harmful if applied "neat" (undiluted).



Be well,

Marcia Elston



ME:

Is it reasonable to dilute them in something other then oil.  I realize that

maintaining a mix of oil and something else won't stay emulsified very long

but...?

Many thanks,

Doug

Mirepoix@aol.com



PS:  I notice that the name Don Wayne is next to my e-mail adress.  This is

not my name.  Is this a fluke or is this part of the list thing?





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cellulitis - fungal infection

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:09:48 -0400

--------

sometimes the obvious escapeps us - to what else I have posted on the subject

- use a couple of drops of tea tree oil in the compress -

Peter





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: U.S. Legislative concerns

From: Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:45:19 -0400

--------

<< >Hello,

 >This information will give you a little more back ground on legislation

before our senators on SB578, HR746, SB830 & HR1710.

 Thanks,

 Leanne

 >     ---------------------------------------------------------------

 >

 >                        September 8, 1997

 >

 > Concerned Voters and Consumers of Natural Products,

 >

 > The  FDA  has  been  trying, at least since the  early  70's,  to

 > restrict  access to natural food supplements. Now  with  treaties

 > like  GATT  and NAFTA, and international organizations  like  the

 > World  Health Organization and the CODEX Alimentarius Commission,

 > they  are  closer  than  ever to their goal.  They  have  already

 > restricted access to quinine and L-Tryptophan.

 >

 > In  Canada,  where  DSHEA and melatonin are restricted,  proposed

 > regulations  would severely limit the import of food supplements.

 > Supplement  producers would have to pass Canadian inspection  and

 > pay  a  high  annual  licensing fee (called  a  DIN  number)  per

 > product.  Under NAFTA, agreements made by both Canada and  Mexico

 > becomes binding on this country.

 >

 > In  Countries  like  Germany  and Norway,  food  supplements  are

 > available  only through pharmacies, and only large pharmaceutical

 > companies  can  afford the required approval process.  The  CODEX

 > Commission  is  trying  to standardize  the  regulation  of  food

 > supplements worldwide. So far the U.S. delegation has  not  voted

 > to  put CODEX proposals on a fast track. However, under the  GATT

 > treaty  other countries have the right to sue our federal  and/or

 > state governments as well as private manufacturing companies  for

 > force compliance.

 >

 > If  you  don't  want  to  pay double or triple  prices  for  food

 > supplements  and you want to avoid strict dosage  limitations  or

 > prescription   requirements,  please  call  your   senators   and

 > congressional  representative. Ask to speak to the aide  assigned

 > to  health  care  issues. Ask for a yes vote  on  the  Access  to

 > Medical Treatment Act (SB578 & HR746) and ask them not to  attach

 > it  to  the  FDA  Modernization Act and a  no  vote  on  the  FDA

 > Modernization and Accountability Act (SB830 & HR1710).

 >

 > Please contact our senators and voice your concerns.

 >

 > http://www.senate.gov/senator/membmail.html#:(enter first letter of the

senator's state,e.g., "a" for Arkansas)

 >



----------------------- Headers --------------------------------

 Date: Mon, 04 Aug 1997 16:07:15 -0700

 From: DON & LEANNE HOUSDEN <lhousden@televar.com>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: U.S. Legislative concerns

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:00:37 GMT

--------

On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:45:19 -0400, Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



> > In  Countries  like  Germany  and Norway,  food  supplements  are

> > available  only through pharmacies, and only large pharmaceutical

> > companies  can  afford the required approval process.  The  CODEX



NOT TRUE FOR HERBS. You can get herbs in any health food store in Germany. You

can get herbs in any health food store in Finland, if you don't want any of the

restricted ones (like Cannabis, Viscum, Coca...).

Food supplements? By that we mean food colorings, vitamins, and minerals, over

here in Finland. Not something I'd even want to buy from anybody who -doesn't-

have extensive labs.



So please stop propagating John Hammell's paranoia on this list, OK?



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: U.S. Legislative concerns

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 10:02:40 -0500

--------

I understand that manufacturers would be in peril, since the cost of doing

business would be greater.  How would Herbalists be effected?  How about

growers?  People who grow for their own use?  I guess I'm asking the

europeans on the list who are already subject to these regulations: do you

have the acess that you want?  Do you feel the prices for

supplements/herbs are reasonable?



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu



On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Henriette Kress wrote:



> On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 16:45:19 -0400, Kathy Lingo <Lingo4@AOL.COM> wrote to

> HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:

>

> > > In  Countries  like  Germany  and Norway,  food  supplements  are

> > > available  only through pharmacies, and only large pharmaceutical

> > > companies  can  afford the required approval process.  The  CODEX

>

> NOT TRUE FOR HERBS. You can get herbs in any health food store in Germany. You

> can get herbs in any health food store in Finland, if you don't want any of the

> restricted ones (like Cannabis, Viscum, Coca...).

> Food supplements? By that we mean food colorings, vitamins, and minerals, over

> here in Finland. Not something I'd even want to buy from anybody who -doesn't-

> have extensive labs.

>

> So please stop propagating John Hammell's paranoia on this list, OK?

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic ba

From: Gregg Bell <JBELL3@ALSTON.CBA.UA.EDU>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 15:04:07 -0600

--------

Anne is right to warn us about generalizations about TMJ. Mine is due

to a slipped disk in my Jaw. Surgery was the only sulution and it did

work for me. Unfortunately, insurance companies are too quick to pass

all TMJ as stress related and refuse to cover it as they would other

medical ailments. TMJ is in fact a catch-all term for lots of

underlying problems. That all said, stress DOES make my TMJ

symptoms worse and I take Kava Kava for that.



gregg



Gregg Bell

The University of Alabama

Department of Economics, Finance, and Legal Studies

Box 870224

200 Alston Hall

Tuscaloosa, Alabama 35487-0224

jbell3@alston.cba.ua.edu



Voice: 205-348-8979

Fax: 205-348-0590



(The opinions are, of course, my own)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic band

From: Jennifer Jacobberger <JACOBBERGER@OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:52:52 -0400

--------

                   Ohio University Electronic Communication





Date:  11-Sep-1997 05:49pm EDT



  To:  Remote Addressee                     ( _MX%"HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR" )



From:  Jennifer Jacobberger                     Dept:  College of Osteopathic Medicine

       JACOBBERGER                              Tel No:



Subj:  Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic band





[EXCERPT]>>   TMJ is rooted in a deep seated stress or anxiety that can

have a thousand

         >> different components - but generally not one which the

individual is given to

         >> shaing or releasing - instead it is all internalized - and

comes out in some

         >> as TMJ and others in any number of other ways - reflux- hives -

tics etc.

         >>  Healing - real healing  - cannot begin until the underlying

problem is

         >> addressed . You need to feed and calm the system and relieve

the stress -

         >> lacking that the problem will persist.





Not always!  Although stress is certainly an aggravator, my TMJ problems

were caused by a car accident in which I shattered the windshield with the

right side of my face almost six years ago (nope, no seat belt, and yep I

have learned THAT lesson) and forever changed the position that my lower

jaw holds within the TMJ.  My nighttime jaw clenching (not grinding) comes

from the unnatural and therefore unrelaxed position of my bite, and

although my bite plate prevents damage to the enamel on my teeth, I clench

just the same with or without it.



So, do any or all of the previously mentioned herbal treatments for

stress-related TMJ work also as actual MUSCLE RELAXANTS, or are they

intended only for reducing stress and anxiety?  In other words, would they

work for muscle tension that has a more physical cause?



Thanks in advance,

Jennifer-the-longtime-lurker



jacobber@oak.cats.ohiou.edu







Received:  11-Sep-1997 05:52pm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic band

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:08:16 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-12 00:08:55 EDT, JACOBBERGER@OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU

(Jennifer Jacobberger) writes:



<< My nighttime jaw clenching (not grinding) comes

 from the unnatural and therefore unrelaxed position of my bite, and

 although my bite plate prevents damage to the enamel on my teeth, I clench

 just the same with or without it.



 So, do any or all of the previously mentioned herbal treatments for

 stress-related TMJ work also as actual MUSCLE RELAXANTS, or are they

 intended only for reducing stress and anxiety?  In other words, would they

 work for muscle tension that has a more physical cause? >>



Thank you, Jennifer, for clarifying my original question. This is what I was

trying to say, too -- although my bad bite is not caused by trauma. I also

still clench at night, but at least the damage is minimized now.



<< In each and every one of the people we have helped with TMJ - it was after

the dentist told them that there was no structural problem and that they

needed to look elsewhere - and each responded to some combination  of herbs

that were nervines, hypnotics, and/or sedative in nature.>>



Oh, I see, Peter. Thanks for clarifying. What would you recommend for those

who DO have structural problems?

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic band

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:17:46 -0400

--------

For structural TMJ problems which are primarily muscular in nature,

lobelia is antispasmodic and would help.  Use judiciously as you do not

want emetic action (but it is not dangerous-  despite erroneous listing

as such.) A lobelia compress might work too.



I found structural integration- Rolfing- to be very useful.  After the

session where the Rolfer worked inside my mouth (with finger cups), my

neck and jaw relaxed from their usual iron nots and stayed that way for

years.  That kind of muscle work will move bones as well.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:08:16 -0400 "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

writes:

>Oh, I see, Peter. Thanks for clarifying. What would you recommend for

>those who DO have structural problems?

>~~Anne

>dommana@aol.com

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic band

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 13:59:17 -0400

--------

Not herbal, BTW.  Rolfing is a kind of deep massage that helps reshape

the fascia surrounding the muscle.  It is very deep and hurts, but "hurts

good" rather than bad, if you know what I mean.  The practicioner

actually reaches in and separates muscle strands that have grown together

so muscles can be freed up and  work independently.  Not for everyone,

but it can be quite effective and can work well for TMJ.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:39:03 -0700 Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

writes:

>Karen??  I have no idea what you are talking about.  Teehee, forgive

>me, but it

>sounds midevil LOL!  Can you explain?

>

>Thanks  Paula

>

>On Fri, 12 Sep 1997, Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM> wrote:

><snip>

>>I found structural integration- Rolfing- to be very useful.  After

>the

>>session where the Rolfer worked inside my mouth (with finger cups),

>my

>>neck and jaw relaxed from their usual iron nots and stayed that way

>for

>>years.  That kind of muscle work will move bones as well.

>>

>>Karen Vaughan

>>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>>

>>On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:08:16 -0400 "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

>>writes:

>>>Oh, I see, Peter. Thanks for clarifying. What would you recommend

>for

>>>those who DO have structural problems?

>>>~~Anne

>>>dommana@aol.com

>>>

>>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic band

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 02:26:16 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-12 12:09:43 EDT, you write:



<< Oh, I see, Peter. Thanks for clarifying. What would you recommend for

those

 who DO have structural problems?

 ~~Anne

 dommana@aol.com >>



Anne,

I would first suggest a visit to a Dentist - then a chiropractor - and see if

the two could work together to fix the problem - Too many variables - and out

of my realm - there is no easy answer - but if the problem is exacerbated at

all by stress and tension use herbs over prescription meds  - my opinion and

suggestion

Peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wintering Potted Herbs-long

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:46:17 -0500

--------

                        part one of two posts 

YOU WROTE:

 I have several good-sized pots of assorted herbs that I really don't  want to lose to the winter weather. There are several varieties of  mint, several basils, some lemon balm, thyme, marjoram, oregano,  patchouli, and chamomile. 



I ADD:

There are a combination of things which influence the survival of your herbs.



(1) are they annual, biannual, or perennials?   Annuals will die after seting seed or one growing season no matter what you do.  Hardy Biannuals die the second year as they don't ripen seed until their second growing season.  Hardy perennial grow three or more growing seasons provided they can tolerate the points listed below. Most seed catalogs and many good herb books will provide this info.  



(2) temperatures - Perennials have a minimum temperature they can tolerate.  Some are tropical only and can not survive any frost.  Some can handle to about 15 degrees but not lower.  Most perennials classed as HARDY by catalogs and such can handle to at least 0.



(3) Heaving,  This is probably the number one winter time killer of of garden plants.  Mulching is the only preventative and good supervision will catch it early if it happens.  If your winter time temperatures fluxuated up and down, up and down, the freeze thqw cycle literaly lifts the plant roots up tearing off root hairs and exposing the rest to drying.  Mulch is not to keep the plant warn , it is to keep it COLD once frozen.. Do not apply too early.  Once night temperatures are below freezing - then go out and mulch to keep the soil from thawing until spring is really here.  You can also plant things which tend to jump the gun and sprout before real spring where it won't warm up so fast.  Example: sweet marjoram which tends to survive 1 out of every 3 winters on the south side of my house comes back EVERY year if planted on the north side.  The house casts a shadow over the ground and the sun doesn't thaw it out.  It stays frozen until the soil temp. raises which means spring has sprung!

cont.....KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wintering Potted Herbs- long

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:47:54 -0500

--------

                        part two of two posts 

YOU WROTE:

 I have several good-sized pots of assorted herbs that I really don't  want to lose to the winter weather. There are several varieties of  mint, several basils, some lemon balm, thyme, marjoram, oregano,  patchouli, and chamomile. 



I ADD:

There are a combination of things which influence the survival of your herbs.



(4) stagnant water.  This is the number 2 killer. Frozen soil doesn't perk as well as warm; poorly draining soil or standing water will quickly kill herb roots.  And since the plant is dormant, it can't repair itself.  Under the same conditions in the growing season, plants are able to outgrow the damage and survive.  Well drained soil is a must or plant on a slope.  Lavender will not survive in regular beds in one place will thrive in a raised bed or planted on a slope in the same location.



(5) Wind.  Cold blowing winds freeze-dry plants and soil.  Mulch helps prevent this drying.  Wrapping top growth on shrubs etc. in burlap, and planting borderline hardy plants in a protected area or setting up snow-fence as a wind break helps also.



All done now, sorry I am long winded on occasion.  Hope it helps  KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Echinicea flowers

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 18:53:15 -0400

--------

Henriette-



If you are processing echinicea flowers instead of roots, do you go for

the cones  late in the season or in the height of the flowering?  Is the

resulting tincture weaker than from the root?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Introduction Re: Common Thread

From: Millie <millie@WILDROOTS.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:48:18 -0400

--------

Greetings,

I'm going to jump right in and introduce myself.  I just joined the list

yesterday but have a feeling that this is good place to be! My name is

Millie and I live in central Ohio. I am the mother of five children

children born at home, my youngest is five months.  I have my own business

selling herbs and nutritional supplements in a small rural farming town.



I have been studying the local flora and the medicinal uses of plants since

I was 13, actually I began much sooner but it became a quest for knowledge

at 13. My favorite days then was to slip down into the ravine across from

my house instead of getting on the school bus and spending my day

exploring.  I feel very fortunate to live in Ohio where there is such a

large diversity of medicinal plants to discover.



When I attended college I was able to get a work study position working for

the botany department collecting and pressing plants for the herbarium. I

thought it was the greatest thing in the world to get paid for the training

and for hanging around in the woods.



I harvest herbs to make tinctures and salves and also teach others about

our local flora and the diversity of plant uses. I feel very strongly about

harvesting ethically and emphasize ethical wildcrafting guidelines in all

my teaching. This is especially important around here as quite a few folks

grew up harvesting ginseng and  goldenseal "yellowroot" for profit as did

there fathers and need someone to explain why they should stop. I am proud

to have influenced several avid hunters to give up hunting wild ginseng and

goldenseal to begin cultivating these precious resources.



I'm really uncomfortable with the commercialism of herbs and "natural

medicine" and find myself unable to market many of these new chemical

products being manufactured these days. Some days I wonder if I want to be

associated with this era of herbalism but then realize that my role is as a

teacher in my community and by sharing my knowledge I can help people to

make better decisions.



I see that I'm coming in on a thread where you have shared your roots in

herbalism and would really love to be able to read the ones I've missed. If

you are comfortable sharing them with a newbie I would enjoy receiving them

privately.



Also, It is fall and harvest time :)   If anyone has a mutual interest...

I'm interested  in trading fresh plants found locally for fresh plants from

other regions in the US.  Also I have seeds to share,  like Echinacea,

valerian and elecampane.



I'll be a happy lurker if I learn lots of new wisdom about plants.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Millie

millie@wildroots.com



http://www.wildroots.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SJW and Coffee

From: R S Nichols <WhoMeMoi@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 21:15:52 -0400

--------

Greetings --



I saw in one of the other posts that SJW and coffee were not good together.

 May I have more details or the reference on that please.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW and Coffee

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:01:17 -0800

--------

At 09:15 PM 9/11/97 -0400, R S Nichols wrote:

>Greetings --

>

>I saw in one of the other posts that SJW and coffee were not good together.

> May I have more details or the reference on that please.

>

>

Exactly.  Why would you hype up your system with coffee when trying to calm

your nervous system with SJW.  Doesn't make alot of sense, does it?  Coffee

is generally something to avoid.  It's really tough on the adrenals.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW and Coffee

From: "Tracy L. Petkovsky" <Tlpetk@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:52:22 -0400

--------

In a message dated 9/12/97 10:59:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, you write:



> Exactly.  Why would you hype up your system with coffee when trying to calm

>  your nervous system with SJW.  Doesn't make alot of sense, does it?

 Coffee

>  is generally something to avoid.  It's really tough on the adrenals.

>

However, according to reports (ever changing of course) a few cups of coffee,

within 20 minutes of brew time, can be good for the heart.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: TMJ

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 17:19:15 -0800

--------

At 01:20 PM 9/10/97 -0400, Anne S. Wityk wrote:

>

>

>

>Now a question to somewhat redirect this thread:

>Do any of you know of any herbs that could ease tension in the neck, face,

>and jaw? This is where I carry my tension, and the jaw clenching has caused

>some TMJ problems, tooth and gum troubles, and just plain soreness. I'd be

>especially interested in something to take/drink at night before bed, to

>relax those facial muscles. I already wear a nightguard to protect my teeth.

>

>Thanks!

>~~Anne

>dommana@aol.com

>

>

Acupuncture is very effective for these problems.  You should notice almost

immediate improvement.  A few pin pricks can take care of it handily.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: clenching teeth, gritting

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:39:03 -0700

--------

I have a question- Peter- what can you use for children gritting their

teeth at night.  I think chamomile is all I know about.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: St. Johnswort & body

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:44:21 -0700

--------

Does anyone know if St. Johnswort has antitumor capabilities or

warnings?

I recently had a mammogram that was questionable.  I have been taking

St. Johnswort.  Are there any suggestions? (I am having another

mammogram in 6 months) I am also visiting a TCM in a couple weeks





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. Johnswort & body

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:38:49 -0800

--------

At 07:44 PM 9/11/97 -0700, Mike & Linda Shipley wrote:

>Does anyone know if St. Johnswort has antitumor capabilities or

>warnings?

>I recently had a mammogram that was questionable.  I have been taking

>St. Johnswort.  Are there any suggestions? (I am having another

>mammogram in 6 months) I am also visiting a TCM in a couple weeks

>

>

I don't know about anti-tumor but it won't hurt.  For sure anti-tumor herbs

are called Alteratives or Blood Cleansers and they include:

Arctium l., Rumex c., Iris vers, Scrophularia n., Berberis a., Trifolium

p., Chimiphila u., Phytolacca d., Echinacea a., etc.

Reishi mushrooms and possibly other oriental mushrooms (Shiitake, mitake)

may also be helpful.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: TMJ and clenching - healing vs symptomatic - little flames

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 23:14:07 -0400

--------

List Folk,

I guess I had this one coming - and wasn't quite articulate enough in my

response - my assumption before the statement was that structural

consideratons had been ruled out as causal -  and if you read in context the

post - I did say that there were a thousand possible causes -

 In each and every one of the people we have helped with TMJ - it was after

the dentist told them that there was no structural problem and that they

needed to look elsewhere - and each responded to some combination  of herbs

that were nervines, hypnotics, and/or sedative in nature.

peter





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Breast health/ ganoderma

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:21:02 -0400

--------

Linda-

Get thee down to a bookstore and get Susun Weed's _Breast Cancer? breast

Health_.  In the meantime try to get some reishi mushroom, ganoderma

lucidum, which has demonstrated anti tumor and immune stimulating

properties.  It is a deep immune tonic, and won't hurt you even if the

condition is benign.



Ganoderma is a type of bracken fungus which grows on oak or plum trees

(although related medicinal species may grow on fir and hemlock trees).

I just found a stand of it in Vermont (but still have some left of one I

got in China years ago.)  The fungus is as hard as wood.  You break off a

piece as big as an almond and boil it for at least one-half hour.  It

takes time for the fungus to release the active principles- no quick

decoctions here.  Take the resultant liquid in divided doses, which you

may hide in soups or syrups.



I believe that it is also available in powdered and tinctured forms-

perhaps someone can advise as to its suitability for antitumor use-

Peter?  I've only used it in decocted mushroom form.



I'd also take astragalus.  Throw in a slice or two into your boiling

water decoction.  Another of the great deep immune tonics.



Write me if they aren't available in OK.  Good luck on the retakes, but

be aware that mammograms often don't pick up tumors (benign or otherwise)

in younger women.



Also, make sure you are caffeine-free.  It makes the breasts lumpier so

mammograms are less accurate.



BTW, I just finished Joyce Walker's book _My Breast.  One Woman's Cancer

Story_ and highly recommend it to any woman or other person who knows

one.  The book is upbeat and gutsy.  Barnes and Nobel has it for $3.98-

no commercial interest, of course.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Thu, 11 Sep 1997 19:44:21 -0700 Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

writes:

>Does anyone know if St. Johnswort has antitumor capabilities or

>warnings?

>I recently had a mammogram that was questionable.  I have been taking

>St. Johnswort.  Are there any suggestions? (I am having another

>mammogram in 6 months) I am also visiting a TCM in a couple weeks

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lavender

From: Pat Constantine <User276055@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 00:29:30 -0400

--------

Hello all,

        Been growing and enjoying herbs for over 10 years and still can't get

the lavender to do well in my garden.  I love everything about it, cooking,

potpourri, dried in arrangements. I also use the essential oil in my massage

cream and my clients like it too.  But every winter here in Western

Pennsylvania, I lose several plants.  It heaves during thaws only to freeze

again with the roots exposed.  Yikes!!  That sounds so cruel.  Tried mulch,

bricks around the plants but still they die.  What to do next?   I think that

lavender has a personality, having noticed that it shuns other plants if they

grow to close.  Haughty attitude.  So I keep them all to themselves in a

raised bed.  Since I plant new ones every year, I don't get much of a

harvest.

        Does anyone know what the soil requirements are, or have any

suggestions for long living lavender?

         Thank you,

                 Pat Constantine

                    wishing that I had l o n g lavender wands





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:25:19 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-12 21:32:09 EDT, User276055@AOL.COM (Pat

Constantine) writes:



<< Been growing and enjoying herbs for over 10 years and still can't get

 the lavender to do well in my garden.  I love everything about it, cooking,

 potpourri, dried in arrangements. I also use the essential oil in my massage

 cream and my clients like it too. >>



I'm sorry, Pat I can't help you with the overwintering problem. I planted my

first two lavenders this year, and haven't yet gone through a winter with

them. But I have a question for you. Much has been mentioned on this list

about the medicinal properties of lavender, but this is the first I've heard

that you can cook with it. How do you use it in cooking?

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:32:53 -0400

--------

Lavender infused white wine vinegar or mirin (sweetened rice wine

vinegar) is delightful on fruit salads.  Lavender infused honey makes a

luscious touch with pasteries or in icings for a white cake.  A sprig in

lemonade is good and it balances out a fruity herbal tea.  Fresh flower

sprigs can be crystalized  in sugar like violet flowers and used to

decorate cakes.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:25:19 -0400 "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

writes:

>But I have a question for you. Much has been mentioned on this list

>about the medicinal properties of lavender, but this is the first I've

>heard that you can cook with it. How do you use it in cooking?

>~~Anne

>dommana@aol.com

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:31:38 -0700

--------

At 07:32 PM 9/13/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Lavender infused white wine vinegar or mirin (sweetened rice wine

>vinegar) is delightful on fruit salads.  Lavender infused honey makes a

>luscious touch with pasteries or in icings for a white cake.  A sprig in

>lemonade is good and it balances out a fruity herbal tea.  Fresh flower

>sprigs can be crystalized  in sugar like violet flowers and used to

>decorate cakes.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>

>On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:25:19 -0400 "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

>writes:

>>But I have a question for you. Much has been mentioned on this list

>>about the medicinal properties of lavender, but this is the first I've

>>heard that you can cook with it. How do you use it in cooking?

>>~~Anne

>>dommana@aol.com

>>

>



My favorite combination of herbs d' Provence:  lavender,  rosemary, sage,

marjoram, peppermint, basil, thyme, savory (winter) and fennel, quantities

of each to taste.  Grind fine w/ mortar & pestle; add to vinegarette

dressing with apple cider vinegar, amino acids, wee bit of soy sauce, honey

and olive oil.  Let age for a day or two.  Try it on those wonderful

tomatoes from your garden right now with onion and a few italian olives.



Yum,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

On The Web Soon (Soon Being A Relative Term, Of Course)

Beautiful Concentrated Strength St. John's Wort Oil Available Now!!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: Thomas Cagle <nh-adapt@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 05:47:49 -0400

--------

On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:25:19 -0400 "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

writes:

>In a message dated 97-09-12 21:32:09 EDT, User276055@AOL.COM (Pat

>Constantine) writes:

>

><< Been growing and enjoying herbs for over 10 years and still can't

>get the lavender to do well in my garden. ----snipped------



Good morning,

 Depending on how far north you living sheltering your lavender with a

cold frame might help. If you are in zone 2 or 3 a cold frame sheltered

by a second layer of glazing may be necessary.

Tom





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: Pat Constantine <User276055@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 05:11:15 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-12 22:26:48 EDT, you write:



<<  How do you use it in cooking? >>

Anne,

    Re: lavender in cooking.  Have two recipies. One for a lavender tube cake

and other for a lavender crisp, both with apples.  Flavor is unique and not

to the taste of everybody who has tried it.  I will send them to your email

address and you can decide.

     Thanks for the reply.

Regards,

Pat





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: Don Wayne <Mirepoix@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 10:48:44 -0400

--------

You write:



<< Been growing and enjoying herbs for over 10 years and still can't get

 the lavender to do well in my garden.  I love everything about it, cooking,

 potpourri, dried in arrangements. I also use the essential oil in my massage

 cream and my clients like it too. >>



I'm sorry, Pat I can't help you with the overwintering problem. I planted my

first two lavenders this year, and haven't yet gone through a winter with

them. But I have a question for you. Much has been mentioned on this list

about the medicinal properties of lavender, but this is the first I've heard

that you can cook with it. How do you use it in cooking?

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com>



I add:



Lavender that is subject to temps below 50* should be kept in pots and put in

a dry, bright place to be kept over winter.  It should be allowed to dry out

at that time.



Lavender can be used in herb jelly or vinegars.  I have seen a recipe for a

Lavender Bisuits too.



Doug

Mirepoix@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 11:04:04 -0700

--------

At 10:48 AM 9/14/97 -0400, Don Wayne <Mirepoix@AOL.COM>

 wrote:

>You write:

>

><< Been growing and enjoying herbs for over 10 years and still can't get

> the lavender to do well in my garden.  I love everything about it, cooking,

> potpourri, dried in arrangements. I also use the essential oil in my massage

> cream and my clients like it too. >>

>

>I'm sorry, Pat I can't help you with the overwintering problem. I planted my

>first two lavenders this year, and haven't yet gone through a winter with

>them. But I have a question for you. Much has been mentioned on this list

>about the medicinal properties of lavender, but this is the first I've heard

>that you can cook with it. How do you use it in cooking?

>~~Anne

>dommana@aol.com>

>

>I add:

>

>Lavender that is subject to temps below 50* should be kept in pots and put in

>a dry, bright place to be kept over winter.  It should be allowed to dry out

>at that time.

>

>Lavender can be used in herb jelly or vinegars.  I have seen a recipe for a

>Lavender Bisuits too.

>

>Doug

>Mirepoix@aol.com





I believe a good plant will tolerate colder weather.  I live in the Pacific

Maritime NW, where we can be surprised with lows in the winter to sometimes

20 degrees F.  And we now can expect a snowstorm or two that lasts a week

or two.  I have five different lavenders, all of which survive beautifully

through the winter.  There are two English variety (angustifolia) on either

side of our front walk under two very old cedar trees.  The soil here is

quite sandy, and it stays quite dry under the trees.  These two are now

about 5 years old and reach about 4 1/2 feet high with prolific blooms

every year.  Another is a Provence variety of Lavandin, in a big barrel in

the back herb garden, and it does as well.  We certainly don't have dry

winters in Seattle, and the two in front stay very dry through the rainy

winters under the trees, but the one in back gets completely drenched.  I'd

like a good recipe for lavender jelly if you can share.  Thanks. :-)



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

On The Web Soon (Soon Being A Relative Term, Of Course)

Beautiful Concentrated Strength St. John's Wort Oil Available Now!!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:26:05 -0400

--------

There is a wonderful catalogue put out by the folks at Well Sweep Farm in New

Jersey.  They are at:  205 Mt. Bethel Road, Port Murray, NJ 07865 (908)

852-5390 (no commercial interest just a satisfied customer).



Under their lavender section there are 44 varieties of lavenders classified

as perennials.  They also have a tender perennial section that lists the

following as tenders:



L= lavendula



L stoechas; L dentata; L dent. candicans Batt; L. dentata balerica; L dentata

L.L.; L multifida; L heterophylla; L. Heter. formaspika; L pedunculata; L

pinnata; L stoechas; L lustianica; L stoechas Alba; L viridis L'Her; L lanata

boiss.



This may help if you know which are tenders in your winter preparations to

help these plants survive.  I lost a pinnata and a stoechas because I had not

remembered they were tenders and left them with my regular perennials.  So

this year I will take extra precautions.



Hope this helps -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: Don Wayne <Mirepoix@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:32:56 -0400

--------

you write:

HI,

Would also like recipes for lavender use...grow it in my herb garden, but

really haven't found anything to use it for...



Sharon

HINRG32353@aol.com



I add:

Lavender biscuits



4 oz butter

2 oz caster sugar

6 oz self-raising flour

2 T chopped lavender leaves

1 t lavender flowers removed from spike



Cream sugar and butter until light.  Add the flour and lavender leaves to

mixture.  Knead well ntil if forms a dough. (I wouldn't knead it too much)

Roll out on floured board and scatter flowers over dough and press lightly

with rolling pin.  Cut and bake in hot 450* oven for 10-12 minutes.  Cool on

rack.



This was from Herbs for the Home by Jekka McVicar.



Eat well,

Doug





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: Pat Constantine <User276055@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:56:28 -0400

--------

Hi,

  Hope that you enjoy these.  They have a peculiar taste, different but not

unpleasant.  But it's fun to try new things.



LAVENDER TUBE CAKE

 1 cup oil

2 cups sugar

3 eggs

3 cups of flour

3 teas. baking powder

2 cups evaporated milk  ( 1 large can with enough water to make 2 cups)

1/2 cup lavender flowers



Beat sugar, oil, and eggs together.  Add flour and baking power alternately

with milk.  Blend.  Add her and bake 1 hour at 375 degrees.  Garnish with  a

glaze and fresh lavender.



LAVENDER-APPLE DESSERT



4 medium tart apples

1 tab fresh lavender flowers

1/2 teas cinnamon

1 tab. lemon juice

3 tab.buter

1/2 cup brown sugar

1/2 cup white sugar

1 cup flour

1/2 teas. baking powder

1 egg.

pinch of salt



Cut apples into 1/4 inch slices.  Comnbine with lavender, cinnamon and lemon

juice in a baking dish.  Stir gently until apples are coated evenly.  Dot

with butter.  Mix sugars, flour and baking powder.  Add egg and salt.  Spread

over apples.  Bake at 350 degrees for 40-45 minutes





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lavender

From: Mary Louise Bauer <Maryl0108@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:09:28 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-15 21:59:31 EDT, you write:



<<

 Hi,

   Hope that you enjoy these.  They have a peculiar taste, different but not

 unpleasant.  But it's fun to try new things.



 LAVENDER TUBE CAKE

  1 cup oil

 2 cups sugar

 3 eggs

 3 cups of flour

 3 te >>

Where do you get the lavender for the cake recipes?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Health - Dengue Fever

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:31:38 -0400

--------

Dear Sherri -



You requested information on Dengue fever...that is a subject researched

extensively by Dr. Eileen Nauman.  She can be reached at:



docbones@sedona.net



She has put out several papers on the subject as it is a very complicated

disease with far-reaching effects.  She also has a chapter on it in her book

"poisons That Heal" which can be ordered from most bookstores if it is not

still on the shelves.



Information on Dengue would take up way too much list space but I would

suggest you contact her.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Peach Tea

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:39:41 -0500

--------

This may be a real DUH question...but wanting to add peach flavoring

to other teas..have a tree..got leaves and fruit...HOW DOES ONE MAKE

peach tea?



Linda





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peach Tea

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:58:43 -0700

--------

At 08:39 AM 9/12/97 -0500, MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

 wrote:

>This may be a real DUH question...but wanting to add peach flavoring

>to other teas..have a tree..got leaves and fruit...HOW DOES ONE MAKE

>peach tea?

>

>Linda



Years ago, I made a nice peach liqueur by soaking the pits in vodka.  The

peach flavor imparts nicely in alcohol using the pits, but I don't know

about infusing in water and whether the result would be strong enough.  You

might experiment with the pits and see what you get.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

On The Web Soon (Soon Being A Relative Term, Of Course)

Beautiful Concentrated Strength St. John's Wort Oil Available Now!!





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Peach Tea

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 12:23:55 -0500

--------

..but wanting to add peach flavoring to other teas..have a tree..got leaves and fruit...HOW DOES ONE MAKE peach tea?



The only way to naturally flavor something Peach, is to add peach juice, pulp or bits of dried peach fruit.  Most of the peach flavored teas, etc. on the market are artificially flavored.

KB 





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbs Query

From: "Dresner, Richard" <Richard.Dresner@ANITESYSTEMS.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:39:56 +0100

--------

Hi folks,



I'm new to the list and I see that quite a lot of you are extremely

knowledgable

when it comes to growing herbs.



I live in the south of England, near London and I would like to grow my

own herbs (basil, thyme, oregano). I have a garden, but no green-house.

From what you've been saying I guess I can't grow these inside.



Have I got any hope of my herbs surviving and if so what are the optimum

conditions ?



Also, would I be better off growing from seed or buying ready-grown

plants?



I look forward to hearing you views.



Thanks in advance.



richard.dresner@anitesytems.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs Query

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:48:00 -0400

--------

Richard-



There are some hardy thymes and marjoram.  Basil won't overwinter because

it is an annual.  You can buy or make a cold frame to go over a portion

of your garden, or dig up tender plants and move them inside for the

season.



If you have a sunny room, perhaps with a greenhouse window and

controlled heat you may be able to sprout from seed.  I do better with

plants because my growing season isn't that long and I don't have a

greenhouse or cold frame.  My only sunny  windows are so full of plants

that there wouldn't be any room for seedlings.  IOW, it depends.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:39:56 +0100 "Dresner, Richard"

>

>I live in the south of England, near London and I would like to grow my

>own herbs (basil, thyme, oregano). I have a garden, but no green-house.

>>From what you've been saying I guess I can't grow these inside.

>

>Have I got any hope of my herbs surviving and if so what are the

>optimum conditions ?

>

>Also, would I be better off growing from seed or buying ready-grown

>plants?

>

>I look forward to hearing you views.

>

>Thanks in advance.

>

>richard.dresner@anitesytems.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: hemostatic herb use

From: Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:54:24 -0400

--------

Hello, friends,

Can people please describe and clarify their use of herbs to stop external

bleeding? This is very interesting to me, but in my experience, direct

pressure works better than any herb. To be honest, the only herb I've tested,

by applying directly to (a small) bleeding cut, was yarrow--both dried and

tinctured--and it did not stop the bleeding. (I don't consider my two

attempts a valid test.)



When folks talk about using cayenne, what type of bleeding situations are you

treating? Do you apply the herb first, then follow up with pressure?  Do you

first stop the bleeding with pressure, and next day when the bandages are

changed apply the herbs to prevent seeping?



Except for minor cuts and scrapes, which I can treat very effectively, I

think of bleeding as an emergency. I would like to know how to enhance first

aid in a serious bleeding situation, using herbs.



Also, I would like to know if hemostatic or circulatory herbs taken orally,

can reduce blood flow enough to use as an adjunct to pressure in a bleeding

situation.



Thanks for your information!



Patricia

harperp@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: hemostatic herb use

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 11:00:35 -0400

--------

Patricia Harper wrote:

>

> Hello, friends,

> Can people please describe and clarify their use of herbs to stop external

> bleeding? This is very interesting to me, but in my experience, direct

> pressure works better than any herb. To be honest, the only herb I've tested,

> by applying directly to (a small) bleeding cut, was yarrow--both dried and

> tinctured--and it did not stop the bleeding. (I don't consider my two

> attempts a valid test.)

>

> When folks talk about using cayenne, what type of bleeding situations are you

> treating? Do you apply the herb first, then follow up with pressure?





Yes





Do you

> first stop the bleeding with pressure, and next day when the bandages are

> changed apply the herbs to prevent seeping?

>

> Except for minor cuts and scrapes, which I can treat very effectively, I

> think of bleeding as an emergency. I would like to know how to enhance first

> aid in a serious bleeding situation, using herbs.

>

> Also, I would like to know if hemostatic or circulatory herbs taken orally,

> can reduce blood flow enough to use as an adjunct to pressure in a bleeding

> situation.

>



The interesting thing about cayenne is that it either increases or

decreases the blood pressure at the injury site, whichever is needed.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: hemostatic herb use

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 07:19:50 -0800

--------

At 09:54 AM 9/12/97 -0400, Patricia Harper wrote:

>Hello, friends,

>Can people please describe and clarify their use of herbs to stop external

>bleeding? This is very interesting to me, but in my experience, direct

>pressure works better than any herb. To be honest, the only herb I've tested,

>by applying directly to (a small) bleeding cut, was yarrow--both dried and

>tinctured--and it did not stop the bleeding. (I don't consider my two

>attempts a valid test.)

>

>When folks talk about using cayenne, what type of bleeding situations are you

>treating? Do you apply the herb first, then follow up with pressure?



Yes, you can do it this way.  That is what I would recommend.



 Do you

>first stop the bleeding with pressure,



Capsicum can stop bleeding without pressure in many cases, except perhaps

arterial bleeding.  I haven't had occasion to try it on that one. (Thank

heaven).    However, using it in conjunction with pressure should suffice

to stop most bleeding quickly.



and next day when the bandages are

>changed apply the herbs to prevent seeping?

>

>Except for minor cuts and scrapes, which I can treat very effectively, I

>think of bleeding as an emergency. I would like to know how to enhance first

>aid in a serious bleeding situation, using herbs.

>

>Also, I would like to know if hemostatic or circulatory herbs taken orally,

>can reduce blood flow enough to use as an adjunct to pressure in a bleeding

>situation.



My father had serious nosebleeds.  He was even taken to the hospital a

couple of times for serious bleeding.  My mother began giving him daily

capsules of capsicum.  Once this was started, he NEVER again had a

nosebleed.  His doctor, who had cauterized his nasal passages several times

was amazed.  I'd say yes.  It would be effective for any bleeding situation

to take it internally.

>

>Thanks for your information!

>

>Patricia

>harperp@aol.com

>

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herbs for breasts

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 08:56:16 -0700

--------

Karen,

I cannot get a "slice" of astralagus, but I can get the capsules in the

health food store.  I am sorry to say so. I have never seen ganoderma,

but will look very soon in store.  I have been taking astralagus but

believe I am out right now.  I am sure the fresh herb is much better

and cheaper.  On reishi mushroom, great.  I saw it somewhere.  May be

in capsule form, but will check in gourmet at grocery.  Thank you for

the information so much.  I will get the book, Breast Cancer? Breast

Health by Susan Week. God  bless.

Linda





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Collection of wild herbs

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:22:00 -0400

--------

I need some direction folks...



My husband strapped the kid on his back yesterday and we went for a

family weed walk throught the woods that adjoin our neighbor's

property.  We found a beautiful glade abundent with wildflowers.  Those

that I identified were Boneset, Ironweed, Spotted Joe-Pye and Jewel

Weed.  There were quite a few more but it started raining so we had to

head home quickly.



My questions...



Jewel Weed:



Collection:  MM recommends the fresh plant tincture which calls for the

"fresh plant".  What does this mean?  Whole plant above ground?

Flowers? Roots too? How do I do this ethically?  There were maybe 5-6

plants.





Boneset:



Collection:  MM recommends the fresh plant tincture which calls for the

"flowering herb".  Is this just the flower heads?  Or the whole plant

above ground in flower?  Once again how do I do this ethically?  There

was a good sized stand of the Boneset, maybe 30 plants.



Hoffman says to collect Boneset as soon as the flowers open in August or

September.  He also says to use the "aerial" parts.



Both plants were in flower and did not look "old".  I don't know how

recently they had begun flowering.



I will contact the local Audubon society today and see if they are

endangered in the area before I harvest anything, PROMISE!!



I also have Burdock on my property.  I have tried to cut, kill, stomp on

swear at those nasty, sheep wool ruining plants for years now.  Now I

will have my revenge!!  I can dig them up and make a tea from them.

Eating the enemy!!

MM recommends cold infusion of dried root.  What is the best way to dry

the root?  I've got a barn, a dehydrator and a '87 Honda (the best

dehydrator in a pinch).



Hoffman recommends collecting the root in September and October.





If people don't want to type for hours book recommendations would be

greatly appreciated.



Thanks in advance for helping this beginner!



Wendy.

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Collection of wild herbs

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:50:27 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

I need some direction folks...

Jewel Weed: recommends the fresh plant tincture which calls for the "fresh plant". ..

Boneset:Collection: which calls for the  "flowering herb"... in ... He also says to use the "aerial" parts.

I ADD:

AERIAL part and HERB all mean the same; the whole plant which is above ground.  FLOWERING herb means the above ground parts which are harvested when the plant just starts to bloom (before seed is set). The essential oil and other stuff levels in most herbs are at their peak just as the first buds open and drop substantually after fertilzation.    FRESH herb means as harvested, before drying or other processing, and as soon as possible after picking as opposed to 24 hours later.



YOU WROTE:

I also have Burdock ...What is the best way to dry the root?  

I ADD:

I slice it into 1/4 inch slices and dry as quickly as possible with the temperature going over 100 degrees.   The car of the dehydrator would both work.. The barn may or may not be too damp.

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Collection of wild herbs

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:16:39 -0400

--------

Thanks for the advice and help about collection!  I collected the

Boneset this morning and prepared a fresh plant tincture.  When I walked

further towards the stream there was tons and tons of Jewel Weed, so

much for my count of 5-6 plants.  I will save it for another day.



I have a feeling I will be spending alot of time in that open glade.  I

saw a red fox and three deer, butterflies and bees abounded.



Good for the soul!



Wendy

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Collection of wild herbs

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 15:04:12 -0500

--------

I WROTE:

 quickly as possible with the temperature going over 100 degrees.

I SHOULD HAVE WITTEN:

 WITHOUT going over 100 degrees.

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Collection of wild herbs

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:29:50 -0400

--------

On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:22:00 -0400 NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

writes:



>Jewel Weed:

>

>Collection:  MM recommends the fresh plant tincture which calls for the

>"fresh plant".  What does this mean?  Whole plant above ground?

>Flowers? Roots too? How do I do this ethically?  There were maybe 5-6

>plants.



If the plants need thinning, pull one up.  To use for poison ivy, blend

the plant in a Vitamix or blender and glop on.  If there aren't enough,

leave them or try to start some from cuttings.



>Boneset:

>

>Collection:  MM recommends the fresh plant tincture which calls for the

>"flowering herb".  Is this just the flower heads?  Or the whole plant

>above ground in flower?  Once again how do I do this ethically?  There

>was a good sized stand of the Boneset, maybe 30 plants.

>Hoffman says to collect Boneset as soon as the flowers open in August

>or September.  He also says to use the "aerial" parts.



Lucky you.  That's a nice stand.  Take the flower heads with the top few

inches of leaf under the flower.  August or September is just a guideline

here.



>I also have Burdock on my property. <snip> What is the best way to dry

>the root?  I've got a barn, a dehydrator and a '87 Honda (the best

>dehydrator in a pinch).



Eat the root fresh like cooked carrots.  Pickle some of it (I do so in

kim chee).  The Honda sounds as good to me as the dehydrator (my car

works better than anything else I've used), but I'd slice it  into long

strips first.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Collection of wild herbs

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:27:13 -0400

--------

There is a respectful way of harvesting herbs from the wild.  When you see a

stand of herbs take only what you need; take the flowers from the outer ring

(the mother plants are closer to the center); and replace whenever you can.

 In this way you will feel you are not abusing nature and in fact adding to

it by replacing the plants.  Throw seeds in the area from your plants and

some of them will come up the next season.  If there are very few plants it

is best not to disturb the area until the following year.  But lucky you to

find boneset.  I would be glad to find just a few in my area, but alas none

on our farm except those I plant.  This is one of my favorites for flu and

fever season.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Collection of wild herbs

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:34:01 -0400

--------

Mary Conley, MNH wrote:





 But lucky you to

> find boneset.  I would be glad to find just a few in my area, but alas none

> on our farm except those I plant.  This is one of my favorites for flu and

> fever season.

>





by boneset do you mean prunella vulgaris?



                                lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Collection of wild herbs

From: "Nathan D. Missel" <ndmissel@CLEMSON.CAMPUS.MCI.NET>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:55:02 -0400

--------

Hello,





In regards to the thread Wild Harvesting, those interested may want to drop

into:

Seneca Valley Wildharvest,  This is not a commercial plug , just a note to

those interested,



http://people.clemson.edu/~nmissel/senehome.htm





best regards to all,



Nathan D. Missel, Botanist





































Nathan D. Missel

Botany Department

Biological Sciences Graduate School

Clemson University





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Collection of wild herbs

From: Mary Joan Deutschbein <Mjmoongold@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 10:08:15 -0400

--------

I would suggest David Hoffmann's _New Holistic Herbal_ or Michael Tierra's

_Way of Herbs_ or Peneope Ody's _Complete Medicinal Herbal_ for good intro

herb info.



I have only heard of using Jewel Weed fresh as an anti-itch remedy for

stinging nettles and poison ivy. Maude Grieve also mentions using fresh jewel

weed juice for "piles" (hemorrhoids).



When I am wildcrafting I only take plant material from large stands. Although

jewel weed is prolific where I live in upstate New York, I would only gather

from large groups. If there were only five or six plants I would leave them

alone. My teachers (professional growers and wildcrafters themselves) say the

area should look unaltered after you harvest. The impact should be that

minimal.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Collection of wild herbs

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:53:57 -0400

--------

Lee asked:



> by Boneset do you mean prunella vulgaris?



I Add -



No I mean eupatorium perfoliatum with purplish white florets and narrow

wrinkled leaves.  They have small yellow resin dots, and this was used by the

indians to assist with pain in joints from high fevers.  They used to call it

"bone-break tea" for the pain that is so bad it feels as if your bones are

going to break.  It's wonderful!



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: bacterial vaginosis

From: Alice Papandreou <PinkyAli@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:07:58 -0400

--------

Hi all,

  I am a Wholistic nurse whose specialty is women's health.  I recently came

across a patient with the diagnosis of bacterial vaginosis [strep] ,no yeast

involved, and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to some heabal

remedies.  I was considering possibly a douche with goldenseal for

starters.... Thanks

Alice





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: bacterial vaginosis

From: Laurie Stewart <LStew25655@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 00:21:38 -0400

--------

I wonder if vinegar would not do the same thing. Could it be the acetic acid

in the wine?



Lstew





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: bacterial vaginosis

From: Naomi Corey <ncorey@SOVER.NET>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:02:23 -1000

--------

Alice Papandreou wrote:

>

> Hi all,

>   I am a Wholistic nurse whose specialty is women's health.  I

> recently came

> across a patient with the diagnosis of bacterial vaginosis [strep] ,no

> yeast

> involved, and was wondering if anyone had any suggestions as to some

> heabal

> remedies.  I was considering possibly a douche with goldenseal for

> starters.... Thanks

> Alice



Hi Alice!



I used to get really bad vaginal infections -- can't remember the name,

but it was the kind that passed back and forth between my husband and I.

I tried every prescription the Drs. thought I should squirt inside me,

put down my throat, etc.  Nothing worked.  Finally I read in a health

food book to douche with plain old red wine.  So, desperate, I went to

the grocery store and bought the cheapest bottle of Carlo Rossi Burgandy

there was.  Went home. Filled up my little douche pouch and douched with

it.  I kept it inside for about 3,4,maybe 5, minutes then expelled it.

Who ever is going to do this should be prepared for a mess on the floor

or use the tub to lay in.(stupid me didn't think of the tub!  ;-))  I

did this two times.  The first night and again the second night.



The infection disappeared.  I have NEVER had it again. That was probably

four years or more ago.



There is something about the grapes and the fermentation process that

works.



I know it sounds bizarre, but, hey!  Whatever works!



Naomi





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: bacterial vaginosis

From: Roxanne Zeto-Brennan <Rox4synch@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 03:41:03 -0400

--------

Hi,

     Could the red wine that was used have sulfonimides (as some have been

reported to have) in it?  Sulfonimides  are antimicrobial.  Just a thought.

     Roxanne



Roxanne Zeto-Brennan, RN,CMT

Synchronicity Through Touch

Va Beach, VA





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: bacterial vaginosis

From: "Toni M. Starling" <Tmstar626@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 02:56:53 -0400

--------

Alice,

I am an OB/GYN RNC that works closely with several mid-wifes.  We treat this

problem often during pregnancy when it is innappropriate to use drugs of any

nature.  First consider the fact that for 5% of the population strep (A orB)

is natural flora and you will never eliminate it, as a natural flora it

becomes opptunistic.  We find in our practice the safest and most effective

treatment is douching with plain yogert that has live culture.  This returns

the mucous membranes to an healthy state  Also we have found that eliminating

sugar and adding cranberry or apple juice at bedtime maintains this balance

by keeping the urinary tract healthy which is ussually the source of inital

breakdown of healthy flora.  Most patients find acetic acid douches too

painful by the time they seek help.  The wine idea has merit due to the live

cultures present in it but I would hesitate due to the sugars which could

feed the bacteria.

Hope some of this helps.

TMStar





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Worldwide. Legislative concerns

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:18:47 -0400

--------

Actually there are a number of common herbs that have been withdrawn from

circulation in Germany .  Canada also.  And I don't mean cannabis or

coca. Comfrey, phytolacca, lobelia and others come to mind- my archives

are crashed so I am not certain which herbs are banned.  Other herbs are

only available through pharmaceutical corporations which can keep the

laboratory controls and meet testing standards, with the result that

prices have skyrocketed.



Since the provisions cover most European nations, potentially the US, and

Canada, this is a real concern for us.



In the US, we protected herbs the last time around by havivg them

classified as "dietary supplements".  This includes vitamins and

minerals, but not additives or preservatives.  The FDA continually tries

to reclassify herbs as drugs, which mean they would need to pass

multimillion dollar tests for efficacy and safety- which companies won't

do since the US won't give them patent protection on herbs. We have no

category for traditional herbs in our laws- drug or food supplement.



Just because John Hammell is paranoid  doesn't mean that he is wrong on

the codex.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 14:00:37 GMT Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

writes:

>> > In  Countries  like  Germany  and Norway,  food  supplements  are

>> > available  only through pharmacies, and only large pharmaceutical

>> > companies  can  afford the required approval process.  The  CODEX

>

>NOT TRUE FOR HERBS. You can get herbs in any health food store in

>Germany. You can get herbs in any health food store in Finland, if you

don't want

>any of the restricted ones (like Cannabis, Viscum, Coca...).

>Food supplements? By that we mean food colorings, vitamins, and

minerals, over

>here in Finland. Not something I'd even want to buy from anybody who

>-doesn't- have extensive labs.

>

>So please stop propagating John Hammell's paranoia on this list, OK?

>

>Cheers

>Henriette





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort & Coffee

From: Mike Buttino <mbuttino@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 18:28:06 EDT

--------

On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 09:52:01 -0400 "Tracy L. Petkovsky" <Tlpetk@AOL.COM>

writes:

>In a message dated 9/11/97 6:30:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time, you

>write:

>

>> I also don't have heat reactions..What happens to me is after I

>capsule I

>>  feel like I did back in my "Hippy Days"...Kinda real mellow etc. I

>>  recently read that you should not take St. John's Wort with

>>  coffee

>

>I have heat reactions, but around 4 hours after taking a pill.   I

>take SJW

>2-3 times a day.  I tend to notice more heat while sleeping.  I

>haven't heard

>of taking/not taking with coffee.  Please respond further on this

>Mike.

>

>Thanks,

>Tracy

>

Well, I don't recall where I read about the coffee thing but I know that

I did a net search under St. John's Wort and definately read an article

that stated that it should NOT be taken with coffee. Sorry that I cannot

be more specific at this

time.

Mike Buttino

Sardinia, NY

mbuttino@juno.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Altitude sickness.

From: Osvaldo <osf@ECUA.NET.EC>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 17:39:39 -0500

--------

On 11 Sep 97 at 13:35, Henriette wrote about Re: Altitude sickness?



>Hi guys,

>

>what have you found effective for altitude sickness?

>I'll be needing something for that soon, and would appreciate any hints.



Lack of oxigen cannot be offset by any herb when you go

over 2.200 meters, unless you want to chew coca leaves , as

andean  indian do. It is the unique real "..cure.."



You just have to wait until   your body  develops  more red globules

to carry more oxygen.



Do not eat too much the first day, as,  your digestion will be slow, very slow,

 ... perhaps you will not be able to sleep first day... it is normal.

Do not run or walk to fast... you will not have enough oxygen ... if you do

that,  you will be stressing  your heart. It is risky.



A real and full body adjustment to new altitude happens after 20-30 days,

if you are going to play any sport.



I use to go to Quito City,  where altitude is  3.200  meters, first

days are a torture ...:-(



Hope this helps  /  Osvaldo





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SJW-Positives

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:45:14 -0700

--------

Hi everyone!  So, is St. John's Wort really that good.  I mean, does it lift

your spirit up and give you a sense of well-being?  I've been noting alot of

negativeness about it on this list.  I'd like to hear some positives too.



Thanks



Paula



P.S.  Hugs for all of you for sharing with us newbies!! :o)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Positives

From: bbrom <bbrom@IBM.NET>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:32:14 -0500

--------

> Hi everyone!  So, is St. John's Wort really that good.  I mean, does it lift

> your spirit up and give you a sense of well-being?  I've been noting alot of

> negativeness about it on this list.  I'd like to hear some positives too.

>



I too would like to know more about it with regard to helping uplift the

spirits.  And speaking of spirits, can you drink alcohol with this herb

and if not what will it do.

Thanks

Betty





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Positives

From: vic hlushak <vic_hlushak@BC.SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 12:16:13 -0700

--------

At 04:45 PM 9/12/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi everyone!  So, is St. John's Wort really that good.  I mean, does it lift

>your spirit up and give you a sense of well-being?  I've been noting alot of

>negativeness about it on this list.  I'd like to hear some positives too.

>

>Thanks

>

>Paula

>

>P.S.  Hugs for all of you for sharing with us newbies!! :o)

>

>

It does for the mildly depressed. My wife uses it for SAD also (Seansonal

Affective Disorder or winter blues) it works very well for her.  Its one of

my fav herbs!!!!



..............................Please get professional help if you are

depressed,

............................. its not something to play with...



On a personal note I have never had any negative side effects at all. I

live in a semi-arid area and we have lots of hot sunny days here and I have

_never_ had any reaction to the sun. IF anyone wants more info on

depression I have some on my home page at

http://www3.bc.sympatico.ca/hlushak/sad.htm



TTYAL



vic





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Positives

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:21:17 -0400

--------

St. Johnswort is that good, but it comes on gradually and takes more time

to build up than the prescriptions.  Also many of the capsul companies

tell you that 300 mg is a daily dosage when 300 mg, 3x per day is the

correct dosage.  It won't work that low.



It isn't the herb of choice for everyone though.  Several people have

mentioned allergies and there are other herbal nervines and

antidepressants that are good- oatstraw, lavender,  black cohosh,

scullcap and valerian.  Michael Tierra prefers it in formulas, and if my

weak memory serves, also uses kava kava, scullcap and valerian in the

formula.



You need to read up and get a good sense of the personality of the herb

and see if it matches the various things that aren't working in your

body.   St. J. is also good for repairing nerves, wounds, viruses,

excessive bleeding and other things-I suggested it to a woman recovering

from a sciatica operation who had a history of menopausal flooding.  When

she later developed high blood pressure from unrelated diabetes

medication I supplemented it with black cohosh.  Another man I know is a

lavendar depressive- intermittently melancholy and prone to eruptions of

anger.  My son needs oatstraw with his St. J., because of the avena's

buffering nourishment for nerves.  So the answer is, it depends.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 16:45:14 -0700 Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

writes:

>Hi everyone!  So, is St. John's Wort really that good.  I mean, does

>it lift

>your spirit up and give you a sense of well-being?  I've been noting

>alot of

>negativeness about it on this list.  I'd like to hear some positives

>too.

>

>Thanks

>

>Paula

>

>P.S.  Hugs for all of you for sharing with us newbies!! :o)

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Websites (was Re: Moore's homepage)

From: Sam Mills <SMills1138@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 20:37:03 -0400

--------

Jim wrote:

>If there are any more sites like this

>please send me their address (http or ftp).



Here are some other sites. (These are pasted from my bookmarks, so if they

don't work for you I'm sorry.)



American Indian Ethnobotany Database: http://www.umd.umich.edu/cgi-bin/herb/



Brounstein's links: http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/:



Native American Herbal, Plant Knowledge:

http://indy4.fdl.cc.mn.us/~isk/food/plants.html



SOARING BEAR's Herbal Page:

http://ellington.pharm.arizona.edu/~bear/herb.html



Tierra's links: http://www.planetherbs.com/links/



 PLANETARY FORMULAS (Tierra): http://www.planetherbs.com/formulas/



Botany links: http://www.m2c.com/links/botany.htm



I was hoping to see more about Moore's classes. Are there any veterans/grads

on the list who can share their experiences?



Henriette, I tried to reply to your email but it would not go through. Yes,

Bisbee is lovely. I look forward to meeting you. (I edit to tight deadlines

and seldom have a chance to open and scan these digests with my word

processing program. Sorry if I missed posted replies.)



sam





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Websites (was Re: Moore's homepage)

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:46:01 -0700

--------

At 08:37 PM 9/12/97 -0400, Sam Mills wrote:



>Brounstein's links: http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/:

>



To the folks that are writing me.... the correct URL is:





http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/





Its just a minor colon problem ;-)







Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"It's easy to harvest wild plants, the hard part is not harvesting."





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for Clenching (Tight Muscles)

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 12 Sep 1997 22:16:29 -0400

--------

Someone in this thread has asked about herbs to relieve jaw muscles that

tighten up at night.  I have found two things that greatly helped.  Both my

son and I have this problem and he is 15.  On him I use a valerian root

tincture one half a dropper full in a bit of pure water every 4 hours on his

more restless nights.  He actually chewed through a baby tooth when he was

younger and this helped greatly.  I use a tincture with glycerine because it

really helps with the awful taste of this herb.  The glycerine sweetens it a

bit.  Valerian is great for certain tension headaches and for sinus headaches

because it is a wonderful relaxant.



I also use a wormwood liniment made out of rubbing alcohol, wormwood oil,

cinnamon oil, wheat germ oil, clove oil, lobelia tincture.  This is just to

be used as a rub externally.  Do not use internally.  It is great for nerve

and muscle tension, sprains and pulled ligaments.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: common thread

From: Jason <jvr@FASTLINK.COM.AU>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 14:36:40 +1000

--------

Hi I am one of the lurkers of the list or a "sponge" as I prefer to think

of it - just soaking up the wisdom!  I am 23 and I live in Australia. My

interest in herbs really derives from a lifelong love of plants. I am a

horticultural scientist by profession. After many years of growing herbs

and selling them in pots at local markets I decided during my last year of

uni to do a course about them. Fortunately where I live on the Central

Coast just north of Sydney there was a school dealing with herbalism. And

its lecturers were widely respected too. I studied for a year  and though I

am still enrolled haven't been able to get back to it (though I will next

year) as my uni studies are getting in the way.



At uni I am studying essential oil containing Australian plants and their

propagation. Many Australian plants were used by the early Australians just

as the early Americans used their natural resources. Sadly the usage of

many plants has been lost and the plant I study was reputed to have special

therapeautic benefits of which I can only find oblique references to in

literature. Ultimately I would like to work more with therapeutic plants.



Where I live backs onto what is termed a "subtropical rainforest" and I

have always felt comfortable in natural surrounds. The efficacy of herbs

was really brought home to me by the successful use of Ginkgo biloba in

treating my father's Meniere's Syndrome and mucilaginous remedies to reduce

constipation in various people I have talked too. At the moment my father

is using a plant called Epilobium to assist his infrequent and sparse

urinary output. It has been effective. As an aside I live near Australia's

first commercial Echinacea farm and many of the herbs mentioned in this

list are now naturalized exotics here. Some of the universities down under

are now offering courses like Natural Therapy, Acupuncture and Chinese

Herbalism. The rate of use by Australians of natural therapies seems to be

rising dramatically.



I hope that this little description doesn't seem too indulgent but I

thought that it might be of interest to know that herbalism is alive and

looking pretty good outside of Europe and North America.



Jason van Ritten.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: common thread

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:05:16 -0500

--------

How I got interested in Herbs, or the Perils of not Following Directions

We lived in this great house when I was small.  The yard was

tiny, but we had a sweet cherry tree, a sour cherry tree, an apple tree, a

kind of tree with berries that started out white and turned black,

looked like a raspberry but without the cavity in the center, plum trees,

a grape arbor (the grapes were very sour--we only used them for ammunition

in grape fights) and lots of perennials.  We had daffodils all along the

border of the yard and a foot deep, with a circle in the middle of the

back yard ten feet across--nothing but daffodils.  Of course I remember

the roses being as big as my head, and the peonies, too.  I was 5 when

we moved there, so you'll understand if my estimates are a little

hyperbolic.

Anyway, If you climbed back into a corner of the garden, behind this

wooden frame thing there was a little nook just filled with violets.

The summer I was eight I had a subscription to cricket magazine, and as

it turned out there was a recipie for violet syrup (as well as violet leaf

salad) in one issue.  We scraped to get enough violets for the recipie.

Unfortunately we left the green parts on the flowers.  They turned the

syrup green, and made it taste more like spinach than violets.  This was

more than a little disappointing.

Since then I've made it successfully lots of  times, but I'm still finding

out that there's a lot I don't know.

I am noticing as I read these that lots of us felt pulled by the green

world when we were kids.  I've noticed a strong spiritual component to

that pull, myself, but I'm a bit of an animist.  Do others feel that way,

too?



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu



"That which does not kill me makes me stronger!"





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: common thread

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:29:41 -0400

--------

Chris-

That reminds me of my childhood experiments with dandelion wine.  Must

have left some of the green on the flowers and although the wine had an

aroma like sunshine, it was so bitter that my mother ended up using the

wine to moisten her lithography stone....I'd probably like it now.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:05:16 -0500 Chris Oinonen Ehren

<oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU> writes:

>there was a recipie for violet syrup (as well as violet leaf

>salad) in one issue.  We scraped to get enough violets for the recipie.

>Unfortunately we left the green parts on the flowers.  They turned the

>syrup green, and made it taste more like spinach than violets.  This

>was more than a little disappointing.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: common thread

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:16:52 -0400

--------

>I am noticing as I read these that lots of us felt pulled by the green

>world when we were kids.  I've noticed a strong spiritual component to

>that pull, myself



  Do others feel that way,

>too?

>



Most definately here.  I think that it is very strong in my mother's family.

Most of her side has always been like this too.  I'm sure that is where mine

comes from.



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: common thread

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:47:19 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-14 21:23:16 EDT, oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU (Chris

Oinonen Ehren) writes:



<<  a

 kind of tree with berries that started out white and turned black,

 looked like a raspberry but without the cavity in the center, >>



Sounds like a mulberry to me. There was one near the house where I grew up. I

remember picking them off the tree.... yummy!!! :-)



<<I am noticing as I read these that lots of us felt pulled by the green

world when we were kids.  I've noticed a strong spiritual component to

that pull, myself, but I'm a bit of an animist.  Do others feel that way,

too?>>



I'm not going to get too off-topic here, but I do think that nurturing plants

that in turn nurture oneself does have a sort of ecological and philosophical

symmetry ... if not spiritual. It's great to garden with flowers and shrubs,

but I've noticed this "bonding" is closest to those plants grown for harvest,

whether vegetable or herb.



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: http://www.alexr.co.uk/>

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 11:17:14 -0400

--------

Sound this url on the web.  No commercial interest other than might order

something in the future.    http://www.alexr.co.uk/



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SJW & Coffee

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:01:21 -0400

--------

There are certain foods containing a chemical called tyramine which is a

member of the amine family.  Amines have a distinct effect upon blood

vessels.  (Tyramines are among a whole list of foods that trigger migraines

also).



When you take an MAO inhibitor you cannot take tyramine containing foods.  If

you do there is a very good risk of posible cardiac problems and a sharp

increase in blood pressure.  If you have a history of heart attack or stroke

in your family you are especially prone to this type of reaction.  St. John's

Wort is classified as an MAO inhibitor and even though it is considered a

"natural" one it is always wise to avoid problems.  Because herbal medicines

are not as potent as allo-meds I would not panic, just be very cautious.



Foods high in tyramine content include:  alcohols; pickled fish like herring;

lox; and cheeses.



Foods a bit lower in them include: cocoa, soy sauce, sour cream, avocadoes,

bananas, raisins, yeast products, pickles, sauerkraut, some nuts, processed

foods, chocolate and coffee.



If you are in touch with your body you already know when you feel

uncomfortable, experience rapid heart beat, skipped beats, dizziness, and

chest pain.  Yet it is wisest not to combine the two until more extensive

tests are performed on SJW in reaction to these chemicals.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW & Coffee

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:58:59 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-13 16:03:03 EDT, Herbgrow30@AOL.COM writes:



<<  St. John's

 Wort is classified as an MAO inhibitor and even though it is considered a

 "natural" one it is always wise to avoid problems >>



I thought there was some disagreement about this? A few months ago there was

a discussion on this list about how SJW was now reclassified as an SSRI-type

antidepressant. I don't have enough knowledge to know the truth. You

professional herbalists, which is it? Or is it both?



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW & Coffee

From: vic hlushak <vic_hlushak@BC.SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:24:52 -0700

--------

At 04:58 PM 9/13/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-09-13 16:03:03 EDT, Herbgrow30@AOL.COM writes:

>

><<  St. John's

> Wort is classified as an MAO inhibitor and even though it is considered a

> "natural" one it is always wise to avoid problems >>

>

>I thought there was some disagreement about this? A few months ago there was

>a discussion on this list about how SJW was now reclassified as an SSRI-type

                                                                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



No one seems to know for sure but based on personal experience and what I

have read I think it is more likely to be a SSRI. In any case the food

cautions dont seem to apply.



vic



............................................................................

..........

Vic Hlushak

Kelowna ,BC. Canada

"A man who has failed his family has failed in life"

............................................................................

............





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lavender Essential Oil

From: Roxanne Zeto-Brennan <Rox4synch@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 18:20:10 -0400

--------

Rusty et al,

     Lavender EO (no commerical interest) has many properties and uses

besides burn healing.  A good non-commercial website (no commercial interest)

for those who desire more knowledge on this oil, and other

oils.....http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk



     Happy learning......Roxanne



Synchronicity Through Touch

Va Beach, VA

rox4synch@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Positives-alcohol

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 19:26:47 -0400

--------

Alcohol isn't specifically counterindicated, but I wouldn't recommend it.

 Although St. J. is easier on the liver than Prozac, it may cause some

stresses.  Remember Princess Di's driver was able to consume more alcohol

without appearing drunk because of the Prozac, and thus was much more

impaired than he would have been without the Prozac (he would have

probably fallen asleep without it and have been unable to drive).



I have seen nothing in the literature about drink and St. J., but alcohol

is a depressant and you  are asking about combining it with an

anti-depressant.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 12 Sep 1997 19:32:14 -0500 bbrom <bbrom@IBM.NET> writes:

>> Hi everyone!  So, is St. John's Wort really that good.  I mean, does

>it lift

>> your spirit up and give you a sense of well-being?  I've been noting

>alot of

>> negativeness about it on this list.  I'd like to hear some positives

>too.

>>

>

>I too would like to know more about it with regard to helping uplift

>the

>spirits.  And speaking of spirits, can you drink alcohol with this

>herb

>and if not what will it do.

>Thanks

>Betty

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Positives-alcohol

From: vic hlushak <vic_hlushak@BC.SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:22:58 -0700

--------

At 07:26 PM 9/13/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Alcohol isn't specifically counterindicated, but I wouldn't recommend it.

> Although St. J. is easier on the liver than Prozac, it may cause some

>stresses.  Remember Princess Di's driver was able to consume more alcohol

>without appearing drunk because of the Prozac, and thus was much more

>impaired than he would have been without the Prozac (he would have

>probably fallen asleep without it and have been unable to drive).

>

Where did you get the idea that Prozac enables you to drink more? Sounds

kinda like a urban legend to me.



vic



............................................................................

..........

Vic Hlushak

Kelowna ,BC. Canada

"A man who has failed his family has failed in life"

............................................................................

............





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Positives-alcohol

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:38:20 -0400

--------

I read (but didn't save) an article from medical authorities discussing

the medical condition of Princess Di's driver yesterday.  It had to do

with the liver and the fact that you can get drunker without falling

down- hence more impaired while in action.



Nice tag line.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 17:22:58 -0700 vic hlushak

<vic_hlushak@BC.SYMPATICO.CA> writes:

>

>Where did you get the idea that Prozac enables you to drink more?

>Sounds kinda like a urban legend to me.

>

>vic

>

>............................................................................

>..........

>Vic Hlushak

>Kelowna ,BC. Canada

>"A man who has failed his family has failed in life"

>............................................................................

>............

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW not MAOI but SRI

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:00:51 -0400

--------

St. Johns wort is no longer classified as an MAO inhibiter.  One

constituent taken out of the complex has those properties, but overall

St. J. is classified as an SRI.  See Bloomford, Nordfors and McWilliams

"Hypericum and Depression" for a review of the literature.



"Do not take hypericum while mono-amino-oxidase (MAO) inhibitors such as

Nardil or Parnate.  It appears that hypericum works at least in part as a

serotonin reuptake inhibitor. (SRI)"



This is like ephedera which has alkaloids that both raise and lower blood

pressure- unlike ephederine which merely raises it and is now little used

for asthma.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 16:01:21 -0400 "Mary Conley, MNH"

<Herbgrow30@AOL.COM> writes:



>When you take an MAO inhibitor you cannot take tyramine containing

>foods.  If you do there is a very good risk of posible cardiac problems

and a

>sharp increase in blood pressure.  If you have a history of heart attack

or

>stroke in your family you are especially prone to this type of reaction.

 St.

>John's Wort is classified as an MAO inhibitor and even though it is

>considered a "natural" one it is always wise to avoid problems.  Because

herbal

>medicines are not as potent as allo-meds I would not panic, just be very



>cautious.

>

>Foods high in tyramine content include:  alcohols; pickled fish like

>herring;

>lox; and cheeses.

>

>Foods a bit lower in them include: cocoa, soy sauce, sour cream,

>avocadoes,

>bananas, raisins, yeast products, pickles, sauerkraut, some nuts,

>processed

>foods, chocolate and coffee.

>

>If you are in touch with your body you already know when you feel

>uncomfortable, experience rapid heart beat, skipped beats, dizziness,

>and

>chest pain.  Yet it is wisest not to combine the two until more

>extensive

>tests are performed on SJW in reaction to these chemicals.

>

>In health -

>Mary Conley, MNH

>Herbgrow30@aol.com

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pharmacology of SJW

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 20:55:47 -0400

--------

The pharmacology of SJW is still not completely understood.  We look at the

hypericin and see that it has several mechanisms.  It can act as both an MAO

(monoamine oxidase inhibitor) and it also acts as a serotonin re-uptake

inhibitor.  It enhances the release of serotonin and norepinephrine at the

axon terminus.  Serotonin and norepinephrine are both neurotransmitters and

as such carry messages by a complex mechanism such as a particular key

fitting a particular lock.



This increases the amount of catecholamine neurotransmitters available in the

synapse movement so messages are transmitted better.  However, as with many

functions the body needs to be trained to do this so most therapies are used

for from 3-6 months.  At that time it is thought that a new pattern of

neurotransmitter production has taken over and the body can then fend for

itself.



This chemistry can get a bit complex but any good college biology text can

give you a better explanation.  I do have a dosage schedule for those

considering taking it for SED (seasonal effective disorder) which compensates

for dark and light days.  SJW is only to be used for mild depression.  Anyone

with a Dx of depression deeper than mild or depression accompanied by any

other psychiatric condition should definitely stay on the regime the doctor

prescribed.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SJW - MAO/SRI

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:29:02 -0400

--------

OK folks you're getting conflicting information here.  What do you do?



I prefer to research through colleges and universities research departments

when I have a dilemma.  I like the herb publications and textbooks rather

than writers researching a topic.  To date a grant has been given to the

Office of Alternative Medicine here in D.C. through the National Institute of

Mental Health.  They are beginning to study SJW in depth.  Also Daniel

Richardson Ph.D. at the National College of Chiropractic in Lombard, Illinois

(where my Dad recently retired as Chancellor) is doing research in SJW.  Also

recently The Herb Quarterly Magazine did an in-depth article on SJW and it's

classifications.  I would begin my own research, because all of us have our

favorite places to go.



I respect Karen Vaughn very much and it may well be that she has more

up-to-date information than I do, so go looking, and see what you can find.

 When there is a discrepancy it is always best to look into a subject for

yourself and not take our words for it.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW - MAO/SRI

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:49:09 -0400

--------

Mary Conley, MNH wrote:

>

> OK folks you're getting conflicting information here.  What do you do?

>SNIP<



  When there is a discrepancy it is always best to look into a subject

for

> yourself and not take our words for it.









perhaps a good starting point would be:



http://www.hypericum.com/top.jpg



no financial interest,



                                        lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW - MAO/SRI

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:53:11 -0700

--------

Everyone, it is wonderful that you all are pointing out discrepancies, but it

would be more wonderful if you would say what they are.  I will speak for

myself, I don't have an herbal library at my house to run to.  I'm not

complaining.  I'm just saying, help us out and tell us what the descrepancy is

so that when we DO have the opportunity to research it, we can.  For example, I

have no idea what SJW-MAO/SRI is.  Please don't yell, I'm not complaining,

okayyy???   :o)



Paula



On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET> wrote:

>Mary Conley, MNH wrote:

>>

>> OK folks you're getting conflicting information here.  What do you do?

>>SNIP<

>

>  When there is a discrepancy it is always best to look into a subject

>for

>> yourself and not take our words for it.

>

>

>

>

>perhaps a good starting point would be:

>

>http://www.hypericum.com/top.jpg

>

>no financial interest,

>

>                                        lee.

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW - MAO/SRI

From: Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:30:31 -0400

--------

bbrom wrote:

>

> perhaps a good starting point would be:

> >

> >http://www.hypericum.com/top.jpg

> >

> >no financial interest,

> >

> >

> This address won't load on my browser.  It loads only the hypericum part

> at the top and that is all.  Will is load on any of yours?

> Betty

Hi all,

I'm not sure why they are giving the /top.jpg at the end!?  When you get

the url on your location line in the browser, just try erasing the

/top.jpg and connect that way. Ex: http://www.hypericum.com/

That brings you to the home page.

http://www.hypericum.com/



Good luck,

Carter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW - MAO/SRI

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:22:19 -0400

--------

That was my source- it is in print, in paperback now, and reviews most of

the research on hypericum.  Inexpensive book, you can bring it to your

doctor easily,  and highly recommended.



BTW, you may be able to load it better by using the url http://

hypericum.com



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:49:09 -0400 lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

writes:

>Mary Conley, MNH wrote:

>>

>> OK folks you're getting conflicting information here.  What do you

>do? >SNIP<

>perhaps a good starting point would be: http://www.hypericum.com/top.jpg



>                                        lee.

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SJW - MAO/SRI

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:17:00 -0400

--------

Paula asked us to explain what the above initials mean.  This was about the

third or fourth post in a series, Paula, so I think you came in on the end of

it.  This was written out but I'll try to explain a little.



MAO Inhibitors (MAOs)

and

Serotonin-uptake Inhibitors (SRIs)

are a class of antidepressants which also include tricyclics.



SJW = St. John's Wort an herb used in depression.



O.K. these drugs affect the serotonin receptors in the CNS (central nervous

system).



The most common side effects of tricyclics are: dry mouth and eyes,

constipation, weight gain and fatigue.



MAO inhibitors require a special diet and restriction of other medications.

 In some cases they may cause weight gain and sudden increases in BP (blood

pressure).



In some persons serotonin uptake inhibitors may cause restlessness, weight

gain, sleep problems, and agitation.



I apologize for any frustration these posts give.  What may be of some help

would be to invest in a pocket medical dictionary that will take some of the

mystery away from some of the medical terms.



Thanks Paula for pointing this out!



Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: catnip tincture

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:44:18 -0700

--------

Hi,

I am involved in my first tincture.  Just used what was growing real

well, which happened to be catnip.  So I added some vodka and sealed it

for 2 weeks. In another week I will be straining the catnip tincture.

Anybody got any warnings for me? Or suggestions? Thank you.

Linda





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: catnip tincture

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:22:17 -0400

--------

Congratulations!  I might wait a little longer than a week.  I like at

least a month and a half (and often wait longer), but there are a variety

of schools of thought.  Or if you are very eager, you might decant some

and let the rest macerate longer in a smaller jar.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sat, 13 Sep 1997 21:44:18 -0700 Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

writes:

>Hi,I am involved in my first tincture.  Just used what was growing real

>well, which happened to be catnip.  So I added some vodka and sealed

>it for 2 weeks. In another week I will be straining the catnip tincture.

>Anybody got any warnings for me? Or suggestions? Thank you.

>Linda

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: Rose Kemps <Canelle@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:37:22 -0400

--------

 I took SJW for three weeks recently and have noticed a weight gain....



has anybody had the same experience??



THanks



R





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: Dena MAbe <DMabe55615@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:00:32 -0400

--------

I have not tried SJW but I need to lose weight fast any suggestions????





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:46:31 -0400

--------

Dena writes:



> I need to loose weight fast...



Well first of all get a vitamin profile done.  Vitamins in proper proportion

to your body will decrease the cravings that usually go with extra weight.



Then convert to a diet which is strongly fresh vegetables and fruits.  Eat

the fruits in the a.m. with nothing else to allow the elimination system to

do it's job.  Lightly steam the veggies or eat them raw with herbs to flavor

instead of salt.



Eliminate white flour, white sugar, alcohol, chocolate, processed meats and

foods, bakery items, and junk food right away if you can.  Be sure when you

eliminate something you are used to eating that you replace it with something

else (preferably that is healthier for you) because if you don't replace a

loss you will feel a void and eat more again.



Be sure to get in touch with a nutritionist and/or your doctor/practitioner

because dropping weight too fast can cause it's own problems.  When you

supplement with the proper vitamins, minerals, and supplements that your own

body needs the weight will come off as it needs to.



BUT - there are no quick and fast solutions to dropping weight.  There is

also no substitute for good eating habits.  It's virtually impossible to take

an herb preparation and to continue bad eating habits and have it do you any

good.  There may be herbs to take that will help in a pinch, but for long

term good weight use good nutritional habits.



Best of luck -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: emapeel <emapeel@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:28:38 -0700

--------

Mary Conley, MNH wrote:

>

> Dena writes:

>

> > I need to loose weight fast...

>

 use good nutritional habits.

>

> Best of luck -

> Mary Conley, MNH

> Herbgrow30@aol.com



I TOTALY AGREE WITH MARY HERE......BUT..... i can add ...  i recently

gained way too much weight because of a medication i was on and this

rapid weight gain really affected my "mental health".  i was fortunate

to have an herbalist who recommended a product that I have no interest

in financially but totally believe in its benefits....its called Natures

Chi and i think its made by  the Natures Sunshine people.  it is suposed

to be a natural metabolizer and it really does "kick in".  i rapidly

lost the weight, while still being able to eat a sensible diet because

it is not an appetite suppressant.  the first week was difficult for me,

i felt like i was "speeding" around but the energy kept me moving (doing

all the things i HATE like laundry and housework!) and helped burn

calories.  I have recommended it to several friends who have both liked

it and hated it!  more liked it than not.  i am not a person who uses

weight scales so i cant tell you how much weight i lost but i can tell

you that at the breaking point for me, i was buying size 12 clothes, and

after two months using just two caps a day in the morning (recommended

dose is much higher) i am back down to size 5.



I DID USE GOOD NUTRITIONAL SENSE!



like i said, no commercial interest here.  but i "hear your pain"  and

this may be an answer.  this is not for everyone and your herbalist will

know if you can take it...and it is only FOR TEMPORARY USE....you must

keep the weight off yourself when it goes away, but to jump start you

and give you confidence that you wont remain big forever, this is a

wonderful thing.



has anyone else heard of or used this product?



good luck to you.



:)

dawne





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: DADO5 <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:17:14 +0000

--------

Natures Sunshine is an MLM company



it probably has guarana in it which is caffeine by another name..



john amphlett





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:09:16 -0800

--------

At 12:28 PM 9/14/97 -0700, emapeel wrote:

>Mary Conley, MNH wrote:

>>

>> Dena writes:

>>

>> > I need to loose weight fast...

>>

> use good nutritional habits.

>>

>> Best of luck -

>> Mary Conley, MNH

>> Herbgrow30@aol.com

>

>I TOTALY AGREE WITH MARY HERE......BUT..... i can add ...  i recently

>gained way too much weight because of a medication i was on and this

>rapid weight gain really affected my "mental health".  i was fortunate

>to have an herbalist who recommended a product that I have no interest

>in financially but totally believe in its benefits....its called Natures

>Chi and i think its made by  the Natures Sunshine people.  it is suposed

>to be a natural metabolizer and it really does "kick in".  i rapidly

>lost the weight, while still being able to eat a sensible diet because

>it is not an appetite suppressant.  the first week was difficult for me,

>i felt like i was "speeding" around but the energy kept me moving (doing

>all the things i HATE like laundry and housework!) and helped burn

>calories.  I have recommended it to several friends who have both liked

>it and hated it!  more liked it than not.  i am not a person who uses

>weight scales so i cant tell you how much weight i lost but i can tell

>you that at the breaking point for me, i was buying size 12 clothes, and

>after two months using just two caps a day in the morning (recommended

>dose is much higher) i am back down to size 5.

>

>I DID USE GOOD NUTRITIONAL SENSE!

>

>like i said, no commercial interest here.  but i "hear your pain"  and

>this may be an answer.  this is not for everyone and your herbalist will

>know if you can take it...and it is only FOR TEMPORARY USE....you must

>keep the weight off yourself when it goes away, but to jump start you

>and give you confidence that you wont remain big forever, this is a

>wonderful thing.

>

>has anyone else heard of or used this product?

>

>good luck to you.

>

>:)

>dawne

>

>

Sounds like this product has Chinese Ephedra and maybe guarana or green tea

or caffeine in it????  Bad idea to recommend this blanketly to anyone.

These substances can have terrible side effects on some people.  They're

terribly hard on the adrenal system, increase blood pressure and are

extremely drying.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:06:11 -0800

--------

At 12:46 PM 9/14/97 -0400, Mary Conley, MNH wrote:

>Dena writes:

>

>> I need to loose weight fast...

>

>Well first of all get a vitamin profile done.  Vitamins in proper proportion

>to your body will decrease the cravings that usually go with extra weight.

>

>Then convert to a diet which is strongly fresh vegetables and fruits.  Eat

>the fruits in the a.m. with nothing else to allow the elimination system to

>do it's job.  Lightly steam the veggies or eat them raw with herbs to flavor

>instead of salt.

>

>Eliminate white flour, white sugar, alcohol, chocolate, processed meats and

>foods, bakery items, and junk food right away if you can.  Be sure when you

>eliminate something you are used to eating that you replace it with something

>else (preferably that is healthier for you) because if you don't replace a

>loss you will feel a void and eat more again.

>

>Be sure to get in touch with a nutritionist and/or your doctor/practitioner

>because dropping weight too fast can cause it's own problems.  When you

>supplement with the proper vitamins, minerals, and supplements that your own

>body needs the weight will come off as it needs to.

>

>BUT - there are no quick and fast solutions to dropping weight.  There is

>also no substitute for good eating habits.  It's virtually impossible to take

>an herb preparation and to continue bad eating habits and have it do you any

>good.  There may be herbs to take that will help in a pinch, but for long

>term good weight use good nutritional habits.

>

>Best of luck -

>Mary Conley, MNH

>Herbgrow30@aol.com

>

>

Sounds good except for the fruit suggestion.  If this person suffers low

blood sugar, this can trigger a drop.  It would also be contraindicated for

a person suffering yin depletion.  Better to get a lifestyle profile before

suggesting a blanket diet.  The is NO one diet good for everybody.  Some

basic guidelines maybe but fruit, which is commonly tagged as a diet food

is very concentrated and full of sugars and has cold and damp energetics.

Know your client.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: DADO5 <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:07:48 +0000

--------

Anita Hales wrote:

 The is NO one diet good for everybody.  Some

> basic guidelines maybe but fruit, which is commonly tagged as a diet food

> is very concentrated and full of sugars and has cold and damp energetics.

> Know your client.



Paul I.  used to say that fruit in general was not good for us....the

dampness, etc...



Does anyone else here subscribe to this view on fruit?



john amphlett





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:35:17 -0400

--------

Not in my experience.  Did it keep you from fidgeting or nervous

exercise?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 08:37:22 -0400 Rose Kemps <Canelle@AOL.COM> writes:

> I took SJW for three weeks recently and have noticed a weight

>gain....

>

>has anybody had the same experience??

>

>THanks

>

>R

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: Morgan Robertson <Nuey2@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 20:08:20 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-14 12:01:45 EDT, you write:



<< I have not tried SJW but I need to lose weight fast any suggestions????



  >>



I'm on the herb list to learn but I can give you some advice regarding

dieting. If you go into it thinking you have to diet ~FAST~ you're doing it

wrong! I use WATER -- lots of water --- minimum of two quarts daily. Stop

eating red meat and pork, lots of veggies and fruits with meals, and whole

grain cereals in the morning every other morning. And vitamin supplements.



 I had gotten into the FAST dieting and found myself on the yo-yo diet

syndrome. But since I started dieting on a very healthy level I can and do

lose approximately  5 pounds a week when I have to. My own doctor is very

pleased with that amount of weight loss



 And exercising goes with it hand in hand. Even a stroll around your

neighborhood in the cool evenings is better than nothing.



Morgan



sorry if this is off-topic -- but I'm more of a new student than anyone else

here ;-)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 23:27:31 -0700

--------

>its called Natures Chi and i think its made by

>the Natures Sunshine people.  it is suposed

>to be a natural metabolizer and it really does "kick in".

>i rapidly lost the weight, while still being able to eat

>a sensible diet because it is not an appetite suppressant.

>the first week was difficult for me,

>i felt like i was "speeding" around but the energy

>kept me moving (doing all the things i HATE like

>laundry and housework!) and helped burn calories.



This is because, like many of the herbal diet aids on

the market, Nature's Chi (not sold as a diet aid,

generally) contains Ma Huaang (ephedra) as it's

primary herb along with Siberian Ginseng, and other

"goodies".  It is the Ma Huaang that gives you that

"speeded up" feeling, and should be used with care.

If you have trouble with high blood pressure you should

not use it at all.  If it "speeds you up", it is better

to use less than to stress your body.



Take care,

claudia

--

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / Home Page

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

How Herbs Found Us / 450+ Herbals, etc. / (973)697-8152





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:38:01 -0400

--------

Anita wrote -



Know your client in relation to recommending fruit in the a.m.



I ADD:



It is well known among nutritionists that there are three cycles that the

body goes through:



appropriation from 12 noon to 8 p.m.

assimilation 8 p.m. to  4 a.m.

elimination 4 a.m. to 12 noon



Most people go through these cycles.  It is also  necessary to take only

light foods (i.e. fruits) in the a.m. for two reasons.  One, most fruits only

take about a half hour to an hour to be digested; Two, they are far easier on

the system to digest and take less energy, thereby saving energy for proper

elimination.



A good vitamin & metabolic profile will tell if someone has a sugar problem.

 That is why I suggested it first.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 08:35:47 -0700

--------

>Natures Sunshine is an MLM company

>it probably has guarana in it which is caffeine by another name..

>john amphlett



I know for a fact that it does not contain guarana.  NSP does not

use caffeine in any of its products.

claudia

--

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / Home Page

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

How Herbs Found Us





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Gunpowder tea

From: jmission <jmission@INDY.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:37:31 -0500

--------

Hello,



I'm new to this list, and already I am seeking answers from persons that

have more experience than I.  Has anyone heard of "gunpowder" tea.  It's

supposed to be a green tea - really potent.  Of course, I cant find listings

for it in any of my herbal books.  So could you also suggest some really

good herb books, as well???



Thank you!



j





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gunpowder tea

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 13:14:46 -0700

--------

I used to drink gunpowder tea all the time.  I found it to be rather

stimulating.  As to what is in it, you will have to ask the experts!  And, guess

what teehee, they are all watching!



Paula



On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, jmission <jmission@INDY.NET> wrote:

>Hello,

>

>I'm new to this list, and already I am seeking answers from persons that

>have more experience than I.  Has anyone heard of "gunpowder" tea.  It's

>supposed to be a green tea - really potent.  Of course, I cant find listings

>for it in any of my herbal books.  So could you also suggest some really

>good herb books, as well???

>

>Thank you!

>

>j

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gunpowder tea

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:00:25 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

...Has anyone heard of "gunpowder" tea. ..(snip) 



I ADD:

Gunpower Tea is the best quality green tea.  It is made from small leaves and is tighly rolled.  It has a greyish green color and before brewing (because it is rolled) looks like someone spilled gun powder into the container.

KB





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gunpowder tea

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:35:13 -0700

--------

At 05:00 PM 9/15/97 -0500, you wrote:

>YOU WROTE:

>...Has anyone heard of "gunpowder" tea. ..(snip)

>

>Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

ADDS:

>Gunpower Tea is the best quality green tea.  It is made from small leaves

and is tighly rolled.  It has a greyish green color and before brewing

(because it is rolled) looks like someone spilled gun powder into the

container.

>KB

>

I add:

Green teas are made from the leaves of the tea bush (Camellia sinesis) as

are black teas, but are subjected to a different processof curing.  The

difference is that the fresh leaves are immediately pan fired (steamed)

after plucking.  This destroys the enzymes which normally lead to

fermentation in black teas.  Because green teas are not allowed to oxadize,

the grassy-fresh, herbaceous quality of the leaf is preserved in the final

product.  The Chinese call the tightly rolled gray-green leaves of

gunpowder tea "pearl tea".  The tiny balls unfold like a flower during the

infusion process and release a sweet and penetrating flavor.



Happy brewing,



Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Weight?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 14:39:42 -0400

--------

Alas, weight loss isn't fast, or at least fast weight loss is usually

water and comes right back.  Also makes you lose muscle which burns

calories in a resting state, so you are often worse off than if you

hadn't lost the weight.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:00:32 -0400 Dena MAbe <DMabe55615@AOL.COM> writes:

>I have not tried SJW but I need to lose weight fast any

>suggestions????

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Weight?

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:22:47 -0400

--------

>In a message dated 97-09-14 12:01:45 EDT, you write:

>

><< I have not tried SJW but I need to lose weight fast any suggestions????

>

>  >>

>

>I'm on the herb list to learn but I can give you some advice regarding

>dieting. If you go into it thinking you have to diet ~FAST~ you're doing it

>wrong!



I have to second this opinion.  I am currently losing aproximately 2 1/2

pounds a week.  This is a good weight loss.  I've changed my eating habits.

I no longer skip breakfast, I eat three healthy snacks a day, have lunch and

dinner.  I don't execise per say, just mostly walking.  I won't knock herbs

because I know that they can do marvelous things.  If I find emotional

eating is the problem, I change what I am doing at the moment.  Try writing

down when you eat, what you were doing at the time and look it over every

few days.  Check for a pattern of eating responses.  You might just surprise

yourself.  Don't do the yoyo diets.  They don't work.



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Leaf Lard?

From: petal pusher <petal-pusher@MAIL.TGI.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 12:08:43 -0700

--------

I have just recieved Dr Christophers "School of natural healing"

It was suggested as a reference from Rosemary Gladstar's course in

which I am a student.



I keep comming across the words "LEAF LARD" to which I have not heard

of before. Any help on understanding exactly what this is would be

appreciated.





TIA



Kathy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Leaf Lard?

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:47:45 -0700

--------

>I have just recieved Dr Christophers "School of natural healing"

>It was suggested as a reference from Rosemary Gladstar's course in

>which I am a student.

>

>I keep comming across the words "LEAF LARD" to which I have not heard

>of before. Any help on understanding exactly what this is would be

>appreciated.

>

>

>TIA

>

>Kathy



I believe that leaf lard is the fat that is found around the organs of pigs

and/or sheep.  Ask your butcher or the guy behind the meat counter at your

supermarket.  However, this is used in very old formulas for ointments,

from the time when it was common for most people to raise their own pigs or

sheep.  And they certainly didn't have "Extra Virgin Cold Pressed Olive

Oil" available at the local grocery store.  If I remember, it is a fairly

hard fat, which would need little or no bees wax to thicken it.  People

used what they had.  I, personally, would substitute olive oil and bees

wax, unless there was a very good health reason for having it in the

ointment.  I can't think of one right off hand.



Rusty







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Leaf Lard?

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:03:31 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-15 02:28:16 EDT, you write:



<< I believe that leaf lard is the fat that is found around the organs of

pigs

 and/or sheep.  Ask your butcher or the guy behind the meat counter at your

 supermarket.  However, this is used in very old formulas for ointments,

 from the time when it was common for most people to raise their own pigs or

 sheep.  And they certainly didn't have "Extra Virgin Cold Pressed Olive

 Oil" available at the local grocery store.  If I remember, it is a fairly

 hard fat, which would need little or no bees wax to thicken it.  People

 used what they had.  I, personally, would substitute olive oil and bees

 wax, unless there was a very good health reason for having it in the

 ointment.  I can't think of one right off hand.



 Rusty >>



Some old herbalists I know think that piglet fat is the best absorbed and

most healing fat that can be used in their formulas.  You have to specially

request it from a butcher.  Of course, anyone who objects to using animal

products would much prefer  substitutes.  Considering that pigs are rated

only under human beings in intelligence (some say dolphins), it does make one

pause. :-p



Traiteusse@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Leaf Lard?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 09:45:37 -0400

--------

If you don't like the smell of the olive oil in the salve (or that nifty

green color), try using ghee, a clarified butter.  You can clarify it

your self by taking preferably organic butter, gently melting it, and

straining off the solids.  The ghee is more stable than seed oils,

requires less wax, and is well-absorbed.



Coconut oil and shea butter are two other harder fats which avoid the

olive oil smell (although olive oil is perfect for sage salve!).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Mon, 15 Sep 1997 07:03:31 -0400 Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

writes:

>In a message dated 97-09-15 02:28:16 EDT, you write:

>

><< I believe that leaf lard is the fat that is found around the organs

ofpigs

> and/or sheep.  <snip>  If I remember, it is a

>fairly  hard fat, which would need little or no bees wax to thicken it.



>People used what they had.  I, personally, would substitute olive oil

and

>bees  wax, unless there was a very good health reason for having it in

the

> ointment.  I can't think of one right off hand.

>

> Rusty >>

>

>Some old herbalists I know think that piglet fat is the best absorbed

>and most healing fat that can be used in their formulas.  You have to

>specially request it from a butcher.  Of course, anyone who objects to

using

>animal products would much prefer  substitutes.  Considering that pigs

are

>rated only under human beings in intelligence (some say dolphins), it

does

>make one pause. :-p

>

>Traiteusse@aol.com

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Leaf Lard?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:07:02 -0800

--------

At 07:03 AM 9/15/97 -0400, Henrietta Lala wrote:

>In a message dated 97-09-15 02:28:16 EDT, you write:

>

><< I believe that leaf lard is the fat that is found around the organs of

>pigs

> and/or sheep.  Ask your butcher or the guy behind the meat counter at your

> supermarket.  However, this is used in very old formulas for ointments,

> from the time when it was common for most people to raise their own pigs or

> sheep.  And they certainly didn't have "Extra Virgin Cold Pressed Olive

> Oil" available at the local grocery store.  If I remember, it is a fairly

> hard fat, which would need little or no bees wax to thicken it.  People

> used what they had.  I, personally, would substitute olive oil and bees

> wax, unless there was a very good health reason for having it in the

> ointment.  I can't think of one right off hand.

>

> Rusty >>

>

>Some old herbalists I know think that piglet fat is the best absorbed and

>most healing fat that can be used in their formulas.  You have to specially

>request it from a butcher.  Of course, anyone who objects to using animal

>products would much prefer  substitutes.  Considering that pigs are rated

>only under human beings in intelligence (some say dolphins), it does make one

>pause. :-p

>

>Traiteusse@aol.com

>

>

Along the same thread....Native women in my area say that the fat from

FEMALE deer is superior for this and claim it also prevents wrinkling and

when put on the hair will prevent graying and keep hair thick and lustrous.

As to the intelligence of pigs, I used to live on a farm where pigs were

raised for food.  I think there's a huge gap between the intelligence of

pigs and humans.  I know what people say about pigs, I just have a real

hard time not thinking of them as "ham".  This may sound crass but I have

equal respect when I use a plant as when I use an animal for medicine or

food.  Each has a life to give, why should one be treated with more

deference than another because it might have legs and a mammalian biology?

I've raised both plants and animals for the use of my family.  I've killed

and prepared both with my own hands.  I hold the same respect for each.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Leaf Lard?

From: Muffy Sands <Bluesflute@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 02:54:14 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-14 15:20:29 EDT, you write:



>

>  I keep comming across the words "LEAF LARD" to which I have not heard

>  of before. Any help on understanding exactly what this is would be

>  appreciated.

>

>



Leaf lard is a type of fat, and is unrendered lard. You may be still be able

to get it from a butcher who is old enough to remember when home cooks

rendered their own fats. If the herbal is telling you to boil it with a

little water and some salt, stirring occasionally, then straining it through

cheesecloth and allowing it to cool, those are instructions for rendering

lard. Let me know if you need more info.



Take good care,

Muffy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Leaf Lard?

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:48:08 -0400

--------

Kathy, could you please tell me how you got Dr. Christophers School of

Natural Healing. Is it a course, a book? Thanks, Debra    Mardi2gras@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Leaf Lard?

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:35:13 -0400

--------

MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM wrote:

>

> Kathy, could you please tell me how you got Dr. Christophers School of

> Natural Healing. Is it a course, a book? Thanks, Debra    Mardi2gras@aol.com



I'm not Kathy, but I have the info right in front of me.



Dr. C's School Of Natural Healing (book)

from Christopher Publications 1-800-372-8255

P.O. Box 412

Springville, UT 84663



They have lots of other books and courses, too.



(Sorry to jump in, Kathy)



---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Leaf Lard?

From: Muffy Sands <Bluesflute@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:32:13 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-16 20:47:43 EDT, you write:



> >

>  ><< I believe that leaf lard is the fat that is found around the organs of

>  >pigs

>  > and/or sheep.



Leaf lard is the high grade fat that encloses the kidneys of pigs.



Muffy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Endangered Plants

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 15:11:42 -0400

--------

This URL was mistakenly sent out without a subject line (my husband and

I share the same computer).



It is for the US Fish and wildlife service Endangered Species Homepage.



http://www.fws.gov/~r9endspp/endspp.html



It list endangered plants by state and gives a description and facts

about the plant.



I thought people who collect from the wild might want to check it out.



Wendy.

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: a prescription for nutritional healing

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 17:26:28 -0400

--------

Lisa Saul wrote:

> 

> >I would like to see the instructions for the gall bladder cleanse.  Please

> >e-mail if you don't post to the list.   Thanks.

> >cwolther@aol.com

> three tablesppons of olive oil before bed in the juice of one whole

> lemon.This recipe came from a book called Nutritional Healing by Balch(no

> commercial interest).Lisa

> 

> Lisa

> Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

> http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





really great book according to all the opinions i've heard to date

including those of seasoned herbalists. i personally like it alot

because i find that it has a well rounded approach to interventions



no commercial interest either.



                                                lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?/weightloss

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 18:30:24 -0500

--------

On Sun, 14 Sep 1997, Dena MAbe wrote:



> I have not tried SJW but I need to lose weight fast any suggestions????

>

Yes.  But you've heard them before.  Exercise, eat reasonably, exercise,

get enough sleep, exercise, drink lots of water, add more vegetables to

your diet, exercise, use the stairs instead of the elevator, walk during

your lunch break, and you might try some exercise.



Rapid weightloss will only damage your metabolism, making it easier to

gain weight, and harder to lose weight.  Except maybe weightloss through

childbirth, but that's hard, expensive, and you usually only lose 6 to 8

pounds & some water weight.



There are lots of herbal formulas that purport to help people loose

weight.  None of them will eliminate the nutrition and activity

requirements.  Anything you take over the short term will only help you in

the short term.  Things with ephedra in them can be dangerous if used long

term, or in greater dosages than the package recommends.



Better to look to herbs for nutritional support, and to help you curb

cravings that are a response to an emotional state, like anxiety, tension,

depression.  If food is an emotional crutch something like kava, valerian

or St. Johns Wort might help.



You might look into the essential fatty acids, too.  People who have been

on a low-fat diet are often deficient in them.



I wish I had better news, but that's the way it is.

--Chris OE

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?/weightloss

From: Dena MAbe <DMabe55615@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 08:38:04 -0400

--------

Thanks for the reply.  I have a life long battle with the buldge and, yes I

am in a slump, not enough exercise, wrong foods, etc.



I tend to eat as I wish and can even eat when I am NOT hungry, just because

the food is there.  I have told this to the physicians and they prescribe

some type of anti-depressive such Wellbutrin SR, Zoloft.  These things do

elevate my mood a little too much and I can be nasty.  I also tend to meed to

pace around.  I have seem these same types of eposides in others as well.

 Main point, I can still eat no matter what.



Any more suggestions?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?/weightloss

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:26:44 -0400

--------

Dena MAbe wrote:



> I tend to eat as I wish and can even eat when I am NOT hungry, just

> because

> the food is there.



Try a 24 hour water fast in which you examine your relationship with

food.  Note the times of the day that you are most hungry.  What happens

to you emotionally if you don't eat at that time?  Do you have less

energy or more when you don't eat?  Think about what you eat, what you

crave, WHY you eat.



This, of course, should only be done if there are no preexisting medical

contradictions.  And you should drink tons and tons and TONS of warm

water while fasting.



Wendy.

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW-Weight?/weightloss

From: "L. Seyler" <Seylerl@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:00:17 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-17 06:54:55 EDT, you write:



<<

 Try a 24 hour water fast in which you examine your relationship with

 food.  Note the times of the day that you are most hungry.  What happens

 to you emotionally if you don't eat at that time?  Do you have less

 energy or more when you don't eat?  Think about what you eat, what you

 crave, WHY you eat.

  >>



What does it mean if you have MORE energy when fasting.  I fast once a week

and notice that my exercise routine on that day is ALWAYS easier.  Would

appreciate your input.



Thanks!



Lisa

Seylerl@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: CoraLynn McKelvy <coralynnmckelvy@USA.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 16:31:03 -0700

--------

>

> Does this also mean that the plant has a dormant period in the winter.

> Should I take them into the greenhouse but just keep them growing at >

> the minimum level?

>

> Will they tire out if I give them the 12 hours of light and still snip the leaves for sweetener?

>

> Thanks for the help so far!  Excellent post.

>

> In health -

> Mary Conley, MNH

> Herbgrow30@aol.com



Stevia is better propagated with layering the stems on moist dirt. It

will root at each leaf junction.



It is a tender perennial since it's stem is mostly water. It will need to

be in a greenhouse for the winter.



The best harvest time is supposed to be at the beginning of the flowering

cycle.



CoraLynn





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: Lory Ann Smith <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 06:17:33 -0400

--------

I've been following this thread with great interest and have some questions,

please.

If 1 tsp. = 1 c. sugar how do you make substitutions in recipes without

messing up the consistency and volume of your mix (ie. cookies & cakes) ?

 Will the powder dissolve in liquids or does it just make "floaties" on top ?

Can the syrup be made from the powdered herb - how?  I'm thinking about

ordering some powdered to play with and finding somewhere to buy a plant, but

I'd like a better idea of what I'm dealing with. Is there some recommended

reading that deals with this type of info rather than chemical components,

etc.? Thanks in advance to all !   Lory





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: CoraLynn McKelvy <coralynnmckelvy@USA.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:21:30 -0700

--------

Lory Ann Smith wrote:

>

> If 1 tsp. = 1 c. sugar how do you make substitutions in recipes without

> messing up the consistency and volume of your mix (ie. cookies & cakes)

> Will the powder dissolve in liquids or does it just make "floaties" on top ?



The green powder substitution is 1-2 tablespoons for 1 cup of sugar.

The white powder substitution is 1/4 teaspoon for 1 cup of sugar.

I haven't baked with it yet but it dissolves in tea. (green is all I've

used) The recipes I've seen using stevia just seem to have the sugar

replaced with stevia & no changes in the amount of flour for the food

being made.



> Can the syrup be made from the powdered herb - how?  I'm thinking about

> ordering some powdered to play with and finding somewhere to buy a

> plant, but I'd like a better idea of what I'm dealing with. Is there

> some recommended reading that deals with this type of info rather than

> chemical components, etc.? Thanks in advance to all !   Lory

> I imagine a syrup could be made...maybe heat water & add powder for a

super-saturation level?



The only book I've been able to find about stevia is _Stevia Rebaudiana

Nature's Sweet Secret_ by David Richard, published by Blue Heron Press

1996. This book covers brief history, botany & cultivation, metabolism &

pharmacology, usage around the world, safety of usage, how to use,

recipes, stevia products on the market, & stevia sources.



CoraLynn





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 03:17:18 -0400

--------

We have a wonderful little book that was written about the plant and the

extract - recipes, history - and all of the questions you might want to ask

 - Contact me off list to find out more - commercial interest involved - so

the thread dies here unless off list

peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: tincture ? and preservation ?

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:10:06 -0400

--------

I am harvesting mint, sage, lemon balm, lemon verbena, basil, patchouli and

thyme at this point in time.  Would any of these make a good canidate for

tincturing and if yes, what would it be used for.  I sometimes drink sage

tea for sore throats, but mostly use if for culinary purposes.  Would love

some imput on this.



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture ? and preservation ?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 13:24:58 -0400

--------

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:25:54 -0400 Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM> writes:

>

>I am harvesting mint, sage, lemon balm, lemon verbena, basil, patchouli

and

>thyme at this point in time.  Would any of these make a good canidate

for

>tincturing and if yes, what would it be used for.



Yes to everything, except that I don't have any experience with

patchouli.  (When you can please describe the plant and how it has grown

for you.)  Mint tincture or glycerite is great for colds and you should

dry some for teas.  Lemon balm is a good and gentle antidepressant (I

like it in a glycerite as well as tincture, and to dry for infusions over

the winter.)  Lemon verbena and lemon balm might combine for a delightful

liqueur.  I prefer to tincture basil in vinegar or to combine it with

sage, thyme and rosemary for an infused olive oil.  Listerine is largely

a thyme tincture.





>I sometimes drink sage tea for sore throats, but mostly use if for

culinary purposes.  Would love some imput on this.

>

I use sage all round and think it has good tonic properties especially in

flu season.  By all means dry a plentiful amount to drink.   I rub in

infused or essential oil when I need to clear my head or relax.  I cook

most of my food in infused sage  et al oil as above (cooking is a

medicinal activity).  I'm less fond of it as a tincture, although there

is no reason not to.  In fact there are many reasons to tincture it, and

maybe I should use it more.  It is carminative, antispasmodic,

astringent, antiseptic, reduces perspiration, relaxes peripheral blood

vessles, stimulates uterine activity and lactation, reduces menopausal

symptoms, helps stop drooling, reduces blood sugar and promotes bile

flow.  It makes a good compress for slow to heal wounds.  It



The chinese sage, dan shen is the root of salvia miltiorrhzia, and the

root is used as a circulatory stimulant, sedative and to clear heat.  Has

anyone tried this with Salvia officinalis root?  Dan shen has vitamin E,

which is not listed for S. officinalis in my books, but could exist since

the roots are less used in western medicine.

.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture ? and preservation ?

From: Joy Keeping <keepjoy@HAL-PC.ORG>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:06:55 -0500

--------

Hi everyone,



Please tell me what a glycerite is









Karen Vaughan wrote:



> On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:25:54 -0400 Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

> writes:

> >

> >I am harvesting mint, sage, lemon balm, lemon verbena, basil,

> patchouli

> and

> >thyme at this point in time.  Would any of these make a good canidate

>

> for

> >tincturing and if yes, what would it be used for.

>

> Yes to everything, except that I don't have any experience with

> patchouli.  (When you can please describe the plant and how it has

> grown

> for you.)  Mint tincture or glycerite is great for colds and you

> should

> dry some for teas.  Lemon balm is a good and gentle antidepressant (I

> like it in a glycerite as well as tincture, and to dry for infusions

> over

> the winter.)  Lemon verbena and lemon balm might combine for a

> delightful

> liqueur.  I prefer to tincture basil in vinegar or to combine it with

> sage, thyme and rosemary for an infused olive oil.  Listerine is

> largely

> a thyme tincture.

>

> >I sometimes drink sage tea for sore throats, but mostly use if for

> culinary purposes.  Would love some imput on this.

> >

> I use sage all round and think it has good tonic properties especially

> in

> flu season.  By all means dry a plentiful amount to drink.   I rub in

> infused or essential oil when I need to clear my head or relax.  I

> cook

> most of my food in infused sage  et al oil as above (cooking is a

> medicinal activity).  I'm less fond of it as a tincture, although

> there

> is no reason not to.  In fact there are many reasons to tincture it,

> and

> maybe I should use it more.  It is carminative, antispasmodic,

> astringent, antiseptic, reduces perspiration, relaxes peripheral blood

>

> vessles, stimulates uterine activity and lactation, reduces menopausal

>

> symptoms, helps stop drooling, reduces blood sugar and promotes bile

> flow.  It makes a good compress for slow to heal wounds.  It

>

> The chinese sage, dan shen is the root of salvia miltiorrhzia, and the

>

> root is used as a circulatory stimulant, sedative and to clear heat.

> Has

> anyone tried this with Salvia officinalis root?  Dan shen has vitamin

> E,

> which is not listed for S. officinalis in my books, but could exist

> since

> the roots are less used in western medicine.

> .

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture ? and preservation ?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:52:53 -0400

--------

A glycerite is a tincture made with 50% vegetable glycerine and 50% water

instead of alcohol.  For home use, fill up a jar with herb, fill it

half-full with glycerine and the rest of the way with water.  (Henriette

uses alcohol with her glycerine) Glycerine is sweet- a kind of sugar, and

can work well with herbs for people you don't want to give alcohol to.

It is better at extracting many constituents than is honey but the

resulting tincture is probably not quite as strong as alcohol.  You can

buy it at a drugstore, a health food store or a local Agway.

.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:06:55 -0500 Joy Keeping <keepjoy@HAL-PC.ORG>

writes:

>Hi everyone,

>

>Please tell me what a glycerite is

>

>

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture ? and preservation ?

From: Cherie Capps <herbs@ORDATA.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:33:40 -0700

--------

Karen Vaughan wrote:

>

> A glycerite is a tincture made with 50% vegetable glycerine and 50% water

> instead of alcohol.  For home use, fill up a jar with herb, fill it

> half-full with glycerine and the rest of the way with water.



Hi Karen et al,



My experience has been that you have to have slightly more glycerine

than water for good preservation.  I use 55% glycerine to 45% water to

prevent spoilage.



Cherie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: weight loss

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:10:50 -0700

--------

Morgan,

If you lose 5 lbs. a week, how much do you have to lose? What do you

eat the mornings you don't eat cereal? Have you found any herb which

helps your emotional eating, if that is your problem? (it is mine?

Thanks

Linda S.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: weight loss

From: Morgan Robertson <Nuey2@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:38:51 -0400

--------

Linda --



 I have about 40 or so pounds left to lose. Combine chilbirth with being

disabled and that can layer the poundage on.



Back when I was working (pre-disability) I think I could have called my

eating ~sporadic~, if anything. I worked with racehorses and ate whenever I

had the time -- which wasn't often enough. My metabolism did what it could to

keep me going -- and turned into a fat horder.



As to herbs -- none yet. I've been on a combination of painkillers and

antidepressants for several years now. I joined this list to find

replacements for the anti-depressants, which are causing me great problems

with having to take allergy medications. I wound up in the hospital with a

severe reaction from a combination of the anti-depressants and

antihistamines. It liked to scare me to death!



 The weight loss was a surprize to me. I literally stopped using any food

with additives and tried to be as healthy as possible. I found that I wasn't

~craving~ foods as I used to, because I made the effort to listen to my body

for once.



The mornings I didn't eat cereals I had fruit -- all sorts. Any and every

type of melon imaginable and everything else in season. It's actually the

first time I've had fun dieting. I'm lucky -- I have a four year old who is

into healthy eating like his Mom.



Sorry to be so off-topic here, but I hope this answers the questions<BG>.



Morgan







In a message dated 97-09-15 02:23:27 EDT, you write:



<< Morgan,

 If you lose 5 lbs. a week, how much do you have to lose? What do you

 eat the mornings you don't eat cereal? Have you found any herb which

 helps your emotional eating, if that is your problem? (it is mine?

 Thanks

 Linda S. >>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: weight loss

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:33:42 -0700

--------

Morgan,

My metabolism has really slowed down as I am in my 40's and have a 6 yr.

old who is a very very picky eater like her father.  I try to eat un-

processed food, natural and low fat as I can.  I must have my protein

as I am low blood sugar, but I really like to eat fruits and veggies and

rice.  I am making alot of changes in my diet and it is a struggle to

try and educate my daughter/husband and educate myself. I wish I had

known about herbs  before I had a baby (and 2 miscarriages).  I might

have found something to help. My daughter didn't sleep thru the night

til she was 2 1/2.  Mercy.  I take St. Johnswort, Kava, Valerian for

depression-not all at once or daily.  Nettles and a hay fever tincture

has helped with my allergies.  I have found that sugar makes my mucus

thick and runny.  (sorry) But since I am human, i fail and eat sugar

once in a while but try to only once a year on my birthday.  Anyway,

elecampe really help to get rid of the mucus.  However, I need to really

cut out the sweets.  A good herb tea called 3 Ginseng Tea I drink at

night and A.m.  I like the peppermint tea alot.  It is really good for

headaches.  Also, I have found if I take a really small dose of

Sinucheck

(no commercial interest) it really wards off allergies. (It has ephedra

scullcap,peony, dong quai,, licorice rt., ginger root + some in it.) I

only take one capsule and the directions say 2 every 4 hours.  It can

raise your blood pressure (ephedra).  A good ole' sinus mask frozen

helps

those headaches, too. Exercise is real important as are creativity and

outdoors.  I am rambling so I'll shut up.  Thanks.

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: st. johnswort

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:15:46 -0700

--------

I have been told to get off St. Johnswort for 2 weeks every 2 months.

On

the label of the bottle it says "not to use continuously."  I will be

taking Kava and Valerian if I have it.

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: green tea

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 19:36:01 -0700

--------

So this is gunpowder tea? Very odd name.  Oh, well. I have a question

as usual. Can a person drink green tea without harm if one cannot

tolerate caffeine?

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: green tea

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:15:26 -0800

--------

At 07:36 PM 9/14/97 -0700, Mike & Linda Shipley wrote:

>So this is gunpowder tea? Very odd name.  Oh, well. I have a question

>as usual. Can a person drink green tea without harm if one cannot

>tolerate caffeine?

>Linda S.

>

>

No.  It is a stimulant drink.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: green tea

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:55:42 -0400

--------

Linda,

Green tea does, in addition to other constituents like bioflavinoids,

flavinoids, tannins, catechins, gallic acid, etc,   have caffeine in it -

sorry - and I expect that a process to decaffinate it would also strip its

other beneficial parts -



For what it's worth ot others out there it may apply to - green tea should

not be used if you are pregnant, nursing or are taking meds to combat

anxiety.

Peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: green tea

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:08:23 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-15 23:13:54 EDT, NEHrbSup@AOL.com writes:



<< Green tea does, in addition to other constituents like bioflavinoids,

 flavinoids, tannins, catechins, gallic acid, etc,   have caffeine in it -

 sorry - and I expect that a process to decaffinate it would also strip its

 other beneficial parts -



 For what it's worth ot others out there it may apply to - green tea should

 not be used if you are pregnant, nursing or are taking meds to combat

 anxiety. >>



I just want to add one more piece of info to this discussion. Green and black

teas are derived from the same plant. The only difference is that the black

tea (what Westerners commonly think of as "tea" -- Teatime Tea) is fermented

and green tea is not. Peter and Anita are both correct that they both contain

caffeine. If you cannot drink black tea, you should be careful about the

green. Personally I have found the green less "strong" than the black, but if

you have questions it'd be wise to do more research.



~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Airplane sickness?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 14 Sep 1997 21:01:12 -0800

--------

At 12:56 AM 9/14/97 -0800, Drema Bagneschi wrote:

>Hi!  I have a friend that says when she travels by jet her body swells

>and she believes this is from the altitude.  I'm thinking it could be

>caused from sitting so long.  She is overweight - how much I do not know

>- but I believe she wears a size 30. She will be flying next Wed. and is

>already concerned about this.  Any suggestions?

>

>Thanks for your responses!

>Drema

>drema@alaska.net

>

>

I would not suspect altitude because the cabin is pressurized.  Sitting

sounds more like it.  When the body mishandles fluids like this, one should

suspect the spleen.  I'd recommend putting her on a hypoglycaemic diet

(permanently would be best).  I'd strongly suspect she suffers from

hypogylcaemia, on a Chinese note, she's probably yin depleted (probably

everything depleted). I'd think getting her on some Galium aperine would be

good along with dandelion root and some stomach bitters such as Swedish

bitters for digestion.  She may need aid for the intestines as well, how

about some psyllium seed?  It would be interesting to know how her

digestion and elimination are.  I'll bet they're not normal.  Hemorrhoids?

She should avoid Coffee, black tea, caffeinated soft drinks, ALL SUGARS!,

fruits and simple carbohydrates.  It would take knowing more about her to

get a proper diagnosis.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Another SJW site

From: Julie <tbone@SISNA.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 08:13:34 -0700

--------

With references to further reading too. :)

http://www.uspharmacist.com/issues/august/





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Botanical Question

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:37:40 -0400

--------

How are latin names for plants assigned?



Just curious,

Wendy

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Botanical Question

From: "Patricia C. McMullen" <Redgato@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 15:04:22 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-15 11:42:40 EDT, you write:



<< How are latin names for plants assigned? >>



Hi,



Simply stated:

A major development in botany took place in 1753 with the publication of

"Species Plantarum" by Carolus Linnaeus, who developed an internationally

accepted classification scheme.  In this system, called binomial

nomenclature, the scientific name of a plant species is composed of two

words, the first being the genus and the second being the species.  In his

botanical work, Linnaeus assigned a genus and species name to every plant

known to him.  Closely related species, based on similarities in structures,

were grouped into the same genus.  Linnaeus' system and many of his original

names are still in use today.



Animals are clasified in much the same way:  To name an animal, taxonomists

use a system of nomenclature based on ascending levels of classification.

These basic levels are species, genus, family, order, class, and phylum. Each

species of animal is given a scientific name, called a binomial (meaning two

names). The binomial consists of a genus name and a species name and refers

to all members of a particular species. Throughout the world no two animal

species are given the same binomial. Two or more species, however, may have

the same generic name, indicating that they are closely related to each other

and have evolved from a common ancestor in relatively recent geologic times.

The blue whale and the finback whale, for example, are different species, but

both belong to the genus Balaenoptera



   Genera that are closely related are placed in the same family, and

families that have a similar evolutionary history are placed in the same

order. All of the animals that are in related orders are grouped into

classes, and similar classes are placed in the same phylum. All of the phyla

of animals are in the animal kingdom.



This is probably more information than you asked for!  :)





Pat

Patricia C. McMullen  BSMT(ASCP)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Botanical Question

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:01:50 -0400

--------

Thanks for the info.  A very good introduction!



One more question:



Patricia C. McMullen wrote:



> known to him.  Closely related species, based on similarities in

> structures,

> were grouped into the same genus.  Linnaeus' system and many of his



Can you elaborate on the similarities in structures for me?



Thanks,

Wendy.

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Homeopathy & Herbs

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 11:48:30 -0400

--------

Cole,



As I understood Homeopathy is the idea that "like cures like".  A minute

dose of the irritant was the cure to symptoms similiar to those caused

by the irritant.  I am confused about Thuja.  In herbal preparation it

is used for warts.  In a homeopathic preparation it is used for warts.

I thought to be used in a Homeopathic manner Thuja would have to CAUSE

warts to be effective against warts.



Any ideas?



Wendy

--

NormNDy Farm

-> All good sheep are named Lancaster.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Homeopathy & Herbs

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:00:07 -0400

--------

>

> As I understood Homeopathy is the idea that "like cures like".  A minute







Actually homeopathy is the "spirit" of the herb. I think it breaks

down to the energy "signal" that the herb possesses.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Homeopathy & Herbs

From: Mary Louise Bauer <Maryl0108@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:36:51 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-15 11:49:38 EDT, you write:



<< As I understood Homeopathy is the idea that "like cures like".  A minute

 dose of the irritant was the cure to symptoms similiar to those caused

 by the irritant.  I am confused about Thuja.  In herbal preparation it

 is used for warts.  In a homeopathic preparation it is used for warts.

 I thought to be used in a Homeopathic manner Thuja would have to CAUSE

 warts to be effective against warts.

  >>

Can you tell me more about curing warts with homeopathy?



MaryLou





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Homeopathy & Herbs

From: Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 16:42:11 -0400

--------

NormNDy Farm wrote:

>

> Cole,

>

> As I understood Homeopathy is the idea that "like cures like".  A minute

> dose of the irritant was the cure to symptoms similiar to those caused

> by the irritant.  I am confused about Thuja.  In herbal preparation it

> is used for warts.  In a homeopathic preparation it is used for warts.

> I thought to be used in a Homeopathic manner Thuja would have to CAUSE

> warts to be effective against warts.

>

> Any ideas?

>

> Wendy



Hi Wendy,



I hope I don't get trapped into being the list homeopathic guru! NOT!

I just happen to own a Materia Medica, it helps when trying to prescribe

for myself, SOMETIMES.  I study as much as I can, trying to keep myself

healthy long enough to figure out why I'm here!



What I have read/learned is that many of the herbs which we use can

cause

physical reactions depending upon the amount and type of use.  It looks

like, in the case for Thuja, that it is used both locally and internally

in the tincture form and internally up to the 30th potency.  I haven't

tried Thuja for warts but I have a couple of long time, non-enlarging

spots which I may try it on now that you mention it.



Hope this helps,

Carter

coleb@ncweb.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Homeopathy & Herbs

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 21:57:28 -0400

--------

Cole wrote:



> tried Thuja for warts but I have a couple of long time, non-enlarging

> spots which I may try it on now that you mention it.



I too have Boericke and Kent Materia Medicas.  Miranda Castro in "The

Complete Homeopathy Handbook" says:



Thuja is indicated for a certian type of wart that grows in a

cauliflower shape.  These warts can appear anywhere on the body.  Use

the remedy cautiously and do not take for longer than a week on then one

week resting would be ideal for a couple of months.  If there is no

reaction - no alleviation of the symptoms - you should seek professional

help.



Just Miranda Castro's 2 cents.



Wendy

--

NormNDy Farm

sheeper@lan2wan.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Homeopathy & Herbs

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:07:14 -0400

--------

The reason thuja is used in homeopathic preps is that in "large doses" it

causes symptoms of warts etc...



Homeopathy uses the minimum dose principle - meaning the dilution of the

"like" substance to a correct strength (strong enough to stimulate the body's

vital force without overpowering it).  Therefore the homeopathic prep

contains very little (if any after the succussion stage) of the original

substance.  Therefore it stimulates the body to make it's own recovery.



Succussion is the means by which remedies are shaken a certain amount of

times to increase their potency (i.e. 3, 6, 12, 30, 100).



This is very complex at times and requires sitting down and reading up on

homeopathy and it's principles, but very worthwhile for use by herbalists as

well.  Any of the books by Dana Ullman are good, and "Prescription for

Nutritional Healing"  by Phyllis Balach has a section in it on homeopathy.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Garlic Oil

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:24:40 -0400

--------

Hi;



With the coming of fall cold and flu season I was wondering if  I should

make a new batch of Garlic oil for my ear infection ear drops.



Anyone know how long Garlic oil is good for before it goes bad?



The combo I use is Garlic oil, muellin glycerite, SJW glycerite and

Goldenseal glycerite.



Any comments or suggestions on the combo?  Additions or deletions?



Wendy

--

NormNDy Farm





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Garlic Oil

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 13:03:58 -0400

--------

NormNDy Farm wrote:

>

> Hi;

>

> With the coming of fall cold and flu season I was wondering if  I should

> make a new batch of Garlic oil for my ear infection ear drops.

>

> Anyone know how long Garlic oil is good for before it goes bad?

>

> The combo I use is Garlic oil, muellin glycerite, SJW glycerite and

> Goldenseal glycerite.

>

> Any comments or suggestions on the combo?  Additions or deletions?

>

> Wendy

> --

> NormNDy Farm



Most herbs last for a year or two. If you made it yourself, probably

a year. That doesn't mean it is no good, it has just probably lost

it's potency. Taste a fresh batch and then your old batch.

If it were me, I'd make new stuff every year.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Altitude sickness<10>

From: Osvaldo <osf@ECUA.NET.EC>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 12:49:39 -0500

--------

On 14 Sep 97 at 0:56, Drema Bagneschi wrote about Re: Altitude sickness?



> Hi!  I have a friend that says when she travels by jet her body swells

> and she believes this is from the altitude.



it is not because of altitude is just because inside the plane there is a lot

less humidity.... Have you ever tried to take your shoes off ...and then you

were unable to put them on ?

Have you noted  that you go to bathroom frequently, during the flight  ?



When flying you must drink a lot of water to offset deshidratation and NEVER

drink alcohol ... only  newbies  drink alcohol and take shoes off   during

flights,  to show they are frequent travelers, experienced travelers never do

that.

HTH / Osvaldo





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: duodenal ulcers

From: "Tracy L. Petkovsky" <Tlpetk@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 14:23:19 -0400

--------

A friend of mine suffers from duodenal ulcer(s).  At this time he is taking a

prescription from the doctor that is limited to a couple of weeks with side

effects.  I don't recall the name.   I suggested maybe trying some herbal

remedy.  He avoids most caffeine, alcohol, spicy foods, et cetera, but when

his stress level increases, so does the production of stomach acids, in turn

causing more pain.



Does anyone know what herbs would/could be used for this ailment?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: duodenal ulcers

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:37:48 -0400

--------

Tracy,

My assumption is that your friend has been properly tested for the bacterial

agent Helicobacter pylori by his MD.  This has been identified in recent

times to be almost always present when eitehr duodenal or gastric ulcers have

been identified.  If he has not - he should be and should be asking his

doctor why not?  If he has then the regimen he should be on is one that will

eliminate the bacteria.  There is now a simple breath test that can be

administered to correctly identify the presence of the little bug that wrecks

so much havoc on the stomach.  and there are also - I don't believe that I am

saying this - some very good allopathic meds to deal with this specific

bacterial infection.   Herbally Slippery Elm or marshmallow root are good to

soothe the stomach and a special form of licroice root called

deglycyrizinated  licorice will really help the healing process after the

bugs have been eliminated.  because of the nature of comfrey to heal top or

surface down , I wouldn't suggest using it -  To assist in the elimination of

the bacteria, I would suggest goldenseal ( one week on - one week off) and

myrrh capsules and to further calm the system I would try some valerian tea -

or in capform.  in addition, I would try a minimum of 8 ounces of fresh

carrot juice a day mixed with one of the alfalfa drink mixes on the shelf at

the health food store and some of the pro-biotic acidophilus. B complex in

liquid form and zinc will also help in maintaining the restorative and

regenerative ssytems.

Hope this helps

peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: 8mths preg. & can't sleep

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 18:00:52 -0400

--------

Any suggestions for an otherwise healthy pregnant lady who is 8 months preg.

and can't get to sleep and once asleep, can't stay asleep?

Are Catnip, Chamomile, Valerian safe for her and the baby at this stage?

 Would love to hear from those herbal midwives out there. She is taking Red

Raspberry leaf tea now.



Traiteusse@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 8mths preg. & can't sleep

From: Alice Papandreou <PinkyAli@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 19:03:08 -0400

--------

hi -I'm a wholistic nurse specializing in women's health- From what I have

seen and read, Valerian is safe during pregnancy as it does not affect the

uterus.  She might also try aromatherapy using lavender to help.

Alice





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 8mths preg. & can't sleep

From: Kathy Haag <KR1989@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:17:40 -0400

--------

I used chamomile during both my pregnancies when I went through that stage.

 It worked great and it is completely safe during pregnancy.  It also works

great to calm fussy babies.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 8mths preg. & can't sleep

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:01:55 -0700

--------

>Any suggestions for an otherwise healthy pregnant lady who is 8 months preg.

>and can't get to sleep and once asleep, can't stay asleep?

>Are Catnip, Chamomile, Valerian safe for her and the baby at this stage?

> Would love to hear from those herbal midwives out there. She is taking Red

>Raspberry leaf tea now.

>

>Traiteusse@aol.com



Here is a simple, free, non-herbal possibility... she can try taking off

her shoes and socks, and walking on the grass, dirt, sand, whatever... as

long as she is in contact with the earth.  Do this for 10 minutes a day -

it can be done any time of day, but in the evening seems to help sleep the

most.  We are electrical beings, and sometimes we need to "ground"

ourselves.  I have sometimes found it very restful to do this during

periods of high stress.



Rusty



*************************************************************************



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Poulsbo, WA                        "Feels like far."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)      "Were it worth the trouble?"



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 8mths preg. & can't sleep

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:26:30 -0400

--------

Henrietta Lala wrote:



> Any suggestions for an otherwise healthy pregnant lady who is 8 months preg.

> and can't get to sleep and once asleep, can't stay asleep?

> Are Catnip, Chamomile, Valerian safe for her and the baby at this stage?

>  Would love to hear from those herbal midwives out there. She is taking Red

> Raspberry leaf tea now.

>

> Traiteusse@aol.com



i would tend to stay away from valerian, but catnip sounds just fine.



(this would have the added benefit of stocking her herbal pharmacy with THE

best allround herb for baby complaints - in my experience)



all the best,



                            lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 8mths preg. & can't sleep

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:36:10 -0400

--------

oops. sorry folks for the double mailing; i forgot to add try to limit

liquids after dinner,

so as to cut back on nocturarnal trips to the bathroom.        : >}



seriously. at this stage of the game the uterus pushes quite heavily on

the bladder which means you gotta go every twenty minutes or so.



this was the case when i was carrying my son; with my daughter i nursed

right through, so any extraneous liquid was converted into breastmilk; i

could get by on two trips a night.



                        lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 8mths preg. & can't sleep

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:02:03 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 14:56:34 EDT, you write:



<< i would tend to stay away from valerian, but catnip sounds just fine.



 (this would have the added benefit of stocking her herbal pharmacy with THE

 best allround herb for baby complaints - in my experience)



 all the best,



                             lee. >>



Thanks lee,

There seems to be some controversy surrounding the use of Valerian late in

pregnancy. I've even had midwives recommend it.  I did not recommend it to

her and won't until I get some more input from the phytopharmacology sector.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: bladder infection/pregnancy

From: Alice Papandreou <PinkyAli@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 20:02:25 -0400

--------

Hi all, Thanks for the help with the vaginosis question..... Here's another

one for you-

What about a pregnant patient  [6 months]  with a bladder infection who does

not want to use antibiotics, but is symptomatic?  I have read that Goldenseal

is not to be used during pregnancy.  I have considered cranberry caps, garlic

and acidophilous.  Any other suggestions??

Thanks,

Alice





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Thanks

From: Connie Williams <willys@LVDI.NET>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 17:52:22 -0700

--------

I just want to send thanks to all of you who were so kind as to post advice

regarding the care of my husband's burns of three weeks ago now. He is

healing very well indeed. Don't know if it is the ozone treatments, the

increased amounts of vitamins and minerals, the large amounts of food he has

been consuming or the herb massage oil I concocted using a combination of

all the recipes you sent me... Somehow I imagine it is the combination of

all of the above. At any rate, something is working and we all are very

pleased.  Thanks again!

Connie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit-RESCUE REMEDY

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:50:22 -0400

--------

please explain what is rescue remedy, and where do you get it? THANKS DEBRA





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Emergency Herbal Kit-RESCUE REMEDY

From: Barbara Birkinbine <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:16:56 -0400

--------

Hi All,

I spent the weekend in Sante Fe and visited Herbs, Ect. while I was there (no

commercial interest).  I decided to pick up some Rescue Remedy after several

on the list recommended it for a Emergency Herbal Kit.  The box states "Helps

produce positive, calming, stabilizing effects in a wide range of stressful

situations".  The discussions here on the list indicated this formula would

have a more powerful impact on the body than the box statement indicates.

 When would this formula be indicated?  What are the range of symptoms that

benefit from a dose of Rescue Remedy?



Sincerely,



Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

Medicinal Herb Grower

OakCamp@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit-RESCUE REMEDY

From: Carol Lively <clively@ONRAMP.NET>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 00:08:24 +0000

--------

>I spent the weekend in Sante Fe and visited Herbs, Ect. while I was there (no

>commercial interest).  I decided to pick up some Rescue Remedy after several

>on the list recommended it for a Emergency Herbal Kit.  The box states "Helps

>produce positive, calming, stabilizing effects in a wide range of stressful

>situations".  The discussions here on the list indicated this formula would

>have a more powerful impact on the body than the box statement indicates.

>When would this formula be indicated?  What are the range of symptoms that

>benefit from a dose of Rescue Remedy?



I started keeping Rescue Remedy around the house because my vet told

me that it was good for people/animals in shock (emotional or

physical).  For example, if a pet has just been struck by a car.

According to my vet, Rescue Remedy can keep the animal from going

into shock, or bring it out of shock if it's already occurred.



Rescue Remedy can be bought at any health food store that carries the

Bach Flower Remedies.



Carol Lively





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Emergency Herbal Kit-RESCUE REMEDY

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:02:01 -0700

--------

>Hi All,

>I spent the weekend in Sante Fe and visited Herbs, Ect. while I was there (no

>commercial interest).  I decided to pick up some Rescue Remedy after several

>on the list recommended it for a Emergency Herbal Kit.  The box states "Helps

>produce positive, calming, stabilizing effects in a wide range of stressful

>situations".  The discussions here on the list indicated this formula would

>have a more powerful impact on the body than the box statement indicates.

> When would this formula be indicated?  What are the range of symptoms that

>benefit from a dose of Rescue Remedy?

>

>Sincerely,

>

>Barb Birkinbine

>Oak Camp Co

>Medicinal Herb Grower

>OakCamp@aol.com



In one of my herbal classes, the instructor was talking about Rescue Remedy

as part of a first aid kit.  He used the example of the scene of an

accident.  If a person was in shock, give some to them (assuming the person

is conscious and not choking, or anything like that).  Typically, there is

at least one hysterical person at the scene, also... Rescue Remedy would be

appropriate for that person, also.



Rusty



*************************************************************************



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Poulsbo, WA                        "Feels like far."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)      "Were it worth the trouble?"



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Allergies,GoldenSeal,Ginseng

From: SummerBreeze <summerbreeze@WRITEME.COM>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 23:21:51 -0400

--------

Can anyone tell me a herb or herbal formula that is good for allergies?

I have heard that GoldenSeal is excellent for this; but can find no

documentation to support this. What is GoldenSeal used for?



Also, can anyone tell me about Ginseng? I have heard many different good

things about it. But I have also read that about 88% of the commercial

Ginseng tablets are practically worthless because they do not contain enough

of the herb to be of any benefit. Is this true? How much is enough?



Thanks

Jessy

aka SummerBreeze

240/188/143





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Allergies,GoldenSeal,Ginseng

From: Sherri <seer7@DNACO.NET>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:51:46 -0400

--------

I recommend:

Active Physical Energy   ginsing exlair. (goes under the tongue)

by Crystal Star.

has 6 different ginsings in it.  It is great stuff.

I take it all the time...

No commercial interest!!

Sherri





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Allergies,GoldenSeal,Ginseng

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 09:33:42 -0400

--------

I recommebd allertonic by herbs etc.(no commercial interest).You can get it

at your health food store.Goldenseal is a natural antibiotic and should not

be overused.(more than 7 days).I do not recommend this for allergies.



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Allergies,GoldenSeal,Ginseng

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:04:44 -0800

--------

At 11:21 PM 9/15/97 -0400, SummerBreeze wrote:

>Can anyone tell me a herb or herbal formula that is good for allergies?

>I have heard that GoldenSeal is excellent for this; but can find no

>documentation to support this. What is GoldenSeal used for?



Goldenseal would not be specific for allergies, however, it could be useful

in treatment of secondary infections caused by inflammation of allergies.

On an ethical note:  Wild Goldenseal is disappearing.  I think it is on the

endangered species list.  If you buy Goldenseal, buy only that which has

been domestically grown.  I try to substitute Wild Oregon Grape bark or

Goldthread whenever possible.



>

>Also, can anyone tell me about Ginseng? I have heard many different good

>things about it. But I have also read that about 88% of the commercial

>Ginseng tablets are practically worthless because they do not contain enough

>of the herb to be of any benefit. Is this true? How much is enough?

>

>Thanks

>Jessy

>aka SummerBreeze

>240/188/143

>

>

Ginsengs are considered sweet and slightly bitter.  Panax Ginseng and Panax

notoginseng are generally warm while P. quinquefolius is cool.

They contain Steroidal glycosides, saponins, volatile oils, vitamin D,

acetyleneic compounds and sterols.

Actions are Tonic, stimulant, regulate blood sugar and cholesterol levels,

and helps stimulate immune system.

Each type of Ginseng has its own particular application.

Extracts are preferred to pills but each has it's application.  Brands DO

make a difference.



Herbs for allergies include: Eyebright, Glechoma hederacea, Plantago

lanceolata, MaHuang,  Elecampane, Mullein, Wild cherry bark, Platycodon

root and extract, Ginger, Cinnamon twigs, Wild ginger root, Licorice.  It

depends on the specific problem which would be used.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Allergies,GoldenSeal,Ginseng

From: Lory Ann Smith <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:38:24 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-17 03:11:09 EDT, you write:



> Herbs for allergies include: Eyebright, Glechoma hederacea, Plantago

>  lanceolata, MaHuang,  Elecampane, Mullein, Wild cherry bark, Platycodon

>  root and extract, Ginger, Cinnamon twigs, Wild ginger root, Licorice.  It

>  depends on the specific problem which would be used.

Dong Quai (Angelica sinensis) is what I take for my allergies - took quite a

bit last yr and this yr my allergies don't seem to be as bad.    Lory



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: children & teeth grinding

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:00:57 -0700

--------

Peter,

Yes, I think some of the grinding at night has to do with stress. If my

daughter, who is 6 has had an upsetting day, she seems to grind more on

her teeth.  Seems to be when I touch her while she is asleep.  Also,

the dentist says she has a crossbite.  He did an adjustment on her he

said and said it worked?? She still grits her teeth. Maybe not as much

as when she was younger.  She is kinda hyper.  I give her chamomile

tablets,which she loves.  She asks for them.  I don't want to give her

too many, although I don't think it hurts her.  She craves sweets.  Her

dad eats a lot of sweets. I can't. It drives me crazy. Voila. There's

a little bit of whats going on. Thanks for your help.

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: allergies

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Mon, 15 Sep 1997 22:19:35 -0700

--------

Jessy,

Goldenseal has antibiotic properties.  It is not to be taken

continuously.  I believe it is to be taken for one or two weeks.

I would say ginseng would need to be bought in the standardized dose.

Be sure the word "standardized" is on the bottle.  This applies to

St. Johnswort anyway. I hear Panax ginseng is the best. To each his own

as the saying goes. You might try dropping refined sugar out of your

diet and taking nettles to see if that helps.  Don't go outside before

10 a.m. if you can help it. Get some exercise. That's all the advice

I'll give.  I am not an herbalist but that is what has helped me with

allergies, beside a very very very low dosage of sinus herbs from the

health food store. Hope it helps.

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

From: Radhakrishnan B <brk@CRI.CO.IN>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:56:41 +0530

--------

Hi everyone.



My friend has blood pressure and he has started to swell. His weight is

increasing by the day. He is against taking medicines. Is there any way

to reduce his wait by just dieting. If so, then what type of diet should

he be recommended.





With Regards,



B.Radhakrishnan

CRI India [P] Ltd.,

2nd Flr, Temple Towers,

Nandanam, Madras 600 035.

Ph. : +91 44 434 0520/4163/4538

mail : brk@cri.co.in





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hives

From: Stacey <swreath@NETPLUSCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 00:46:40 -0700

--------

Hello all-



Does anybody know anything about the causes or possible herbal

treatments for chronic hives?



I have had this problem for ten years now, since I was about fourteen.

Whenever I get too warm (enough to break a light sweat) or too cold, I

break out.  When it's caused by heat, I get the hives first on my arms

and then it spreads the rest of my body; when it's from cold, it usually

happens only on skin that was exposed, after I've warmed back up.  It

also happens with contact with metal (belt buckle, watch) and

occasionally from sudden stress (like when a bat started swooping around

my living room the other night).



For years I have taken antihistamines without much relief- they work for

a month or so then stop.  I've taken Hismanal, Claritin, Zyrtec and

currently I'm taking Claritin plus an H2 blocker (Pepcid), also I take

quercetin and lots of vitamin C.  While taking all of this stuff it's

better than not taking anything at all but I still break out in hives

several times a day.



Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



TIA,



*********************************************

Stacey

mailto:swreath@netpluscom.com

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2723/

*********************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hives

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:14:04 -0800

--------

At 12:46 AM 9/16/97 -0700, Stacey wrote:

>Hello all-

>

>Does anybody know anything about the causes or possible herbal

>treatments for chronic hives?

>

>I have had this problem for ten years now, since I was about fourteen.

>Whenever I get too warm (enough to break a light sweat) or too cold, I

>break out.  When it's caused by heat, I get the hives first on my arms

>and then it spreads the rest of my body; when it's from cold, it usually

>happens only on skin that was exposed, after I've warmed back up.  It

>also happens with contact with metal (belt buckle, watch) and

>occasionally from sudden stress (like when a bat started swooping around

>my living room the other night).

>

>For years I have taken antihistamines without much relief- they work for

>a month or so then stop.  I've taken Hismanal, Claritin, Zyrtec and

>currently I'm taking Claritin plus an H2 blocker (Pepcid), also I take

>quercetin and lots of vitamin C.  While taking all of this stuff it's

>better than not taking anything at all but I still break out in hives

>several times a day.

>

>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

>TIA,

>

>*********************************************

>Stacey

>mailto:swreath@netpluscom.com

>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2723/

>*********************************************

>

>

HEAT is the problem here.  While antihistamines may help for a while, they

do not eliminate the heat problem.  Quit all caffeine containing substances

including chocolate, tea, coffee, sodas, etc.  They produce heat.

Eliminate adrenal stimulants like sugars.  Quit dairy products and ANYTHING

containing dyes.  Become a label reader.  Watch for MSG too.

Start drinking peppermint tea by the gallon (ice tea is good).  Other herbs

that help eliminate heat are Elderberry blossoms, Yarrow, Boneset, all

mints, etc.

A good surface application for hives would be a compress or cream of

Elderberry flowers.  I make Elderflower oil using cold pressed olive oil

each spring for just such things.  It helps soothe hives, heal cracked skin

and helps eczema.

My brother, a carpenter, had terrible cracks in his hands after a sheetrock

job.  This helped alot (except he didn't like the smell).

There are probably some excellent Chinese combinations for dispersing heat

and treating hives.  I'll have to check.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hives

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:21:32 -0700

--------

Hi, Stacey



I have index cards that recommend herbal/natural remedies

for various things, and the suggestion for Hives was

a ginger bath, 3 tbs. of ginger in hot water, and a Pau

D'Arco lotion.  If you can get capsicum in extract form and

apply it topically, it will remove the itching.



Hope you feel better,

claudia :-)

--

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / Home Page

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

How Herbs Found Us





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hives

From: Lory Ann Smith <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:43:02 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-17 09:22:02 EDT, you write:



> a Pau

>  D'Arco lotion.

Hi Claudia,

     First time I've heard of it being used like this - how do you make it,

please?  Lory



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hives

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:02:09 -0700

--------

>At 12:46 AM 9/16/97 -0700, Stacey wrote:

>>Hello all-

>>

>>Does anybody know anything about the causes or possible herbal

>>treatments for chronic hives?

>>TIA,

>>

>>*********************************************

>>Stacey

>>mailto:swreath@netpluscom.com

>>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2723/

>>*********************************************

>>

>>

>Start drinking peppermint tea by the gallon (ice tea is good).  Other herbs

>that help eliminate heat are Elderberry blossoms, Yarrow, Boneset, all

>mints, etc.

>A good surface application for hives would be a compress or cream of

>Elderberry flowers.  I make Elderflower oil using cold pressed olive oil

>each spring for just such things.  It helps soothe hives, heal cracked skin

>and helps eczema.

>My brother, a carpenter, had terrible cracks in his hands after a sheetrock

>job.  This helped alot (except he didn't like the smell).

>There are probably some excellent Chinese combinations for dispersing heat

>and treating hives.  I'll have to check.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net



Are hives caused by a virus?  If so, it makes sense that elderberry would

help.  I recently read about the ability of elderberry to stop the

reproduction of viruses in two ways - 1) it has bioflavanoids that

eliminate the enzyme, neuraminidase, on the surface of the virus that helps

to break down your cells' walls, and 2) viruses have little spikes that

they use to puncture a hole in the cell wall to enter it, and elderberry

has an active ingredient that binds with these spikes, which stops the

viruses from entering your cells.  If they can't enter your cells, they

can't reproduce.  Fascinating!  All from a plant!  (See the article

"Fending off the Flu" in "Herbs for Health" - Sept./Oct. 1997 issue.)



Rusty



*************************************************************************



Bob & Rusty Taylor                 "You come far, pilgrim!"

Poulsbo, WA                        "Feels like far."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)      "Were it worth the trouble?"



Non-commercial webpages:           "Heh?  What trouble?"

www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor           (from the movie "Jeremiah Johnson")



*************************************************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hives

From: Stacey <swreath@NETPLUSCOM.COM>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:09:56 -0700

--------

Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor wrote:



> Are hives caused by a virus?  <SNIP>

>

> Rusty

>

> *************************************************************************

>

> Bob & Rusty Taylor                 "You come far, pilgrim!"

> Poulsbo, WA                        "Feels like far."

> rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)      "Were it worth the trouble?"

>

> Non-commercial webpages:           "Heh?  What trouble?"

> www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor           (from the movie "Jeremiah Johnson")

>

> *************************************************************************



I haven't heard of hives being caused by a virus.  In my case, for one

reason or another my skin is so full of histamine that I break out at

the least provocation.  One of the things the doctors like to do to me

to see how easily it can be provoked is to rub the inside of my arm a

few times, applying pressure- the hives just pop right up!



*****************************************************

Stacey

mailto:swreath@netpluscom.com

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2723/

*****************************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hives

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:36:45 -0700

--------

At 01:09 PM 9/18/97 -0700, Stacey <swreath@NETPLUSCOM.COM>

 wrote:

>Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor wrote:

>

>> Are hives caused by a virus?  <SNIP>

>>

>> Rusty

>>

>

>

>I haven't heard of hives being caused by a virus.  In my case, for one

>reason or another my skin is so full of histamine that I break out at

>the least provocation.  One of the things the doctors like to do to me

>to see how easily it can be provoked is to rub the inside of my arm a

>few times, applying pressure- the hives just pop right up!

>

>*****************************************************

>Stacey



This is the medical definition:  Hives is the common name for the medical

condition, Urticaria.  This condition is characterized by the development

of itchy wheals (raised white lumps surounded by an area of red

inflammation).  Wheals vary considerably in size and large ones may merge

to form irregular, raised patchs.  The rash is most common on the limbs and

trunk, but may appear anywhere on the body.  Wheals usually last for no

longer than several hours.  Dermatographia is a less common form of

urticaria in which wheals form after stroking the skin.  Angioedema is a

more severe condidtion (which sometimes occurs with urticaria) in which the

airways become closed.  The cause of urticaria is often unknown.  The most

common known mechanism is an allergic reaction in which the chemical

histamine is released from skin cells causing fluid to leak from

capillaries into the skin and tissues.  Urticaria often results from an

allergic reaction to a particular kind of food (milk, shellfish,

strawberries, or nuts) food additive (some food dyes, etc.) or drug

(pennicillin or aspirin).  Even less commonly, urticaria occurs in response

to sweating brought on by heat or exercise or to exposure to  cold or

sunlight.



Herbal support would recommend anti-inflammatories.  There are

anti-inflammatories recommended for all body systems, but most skin

inflammations have to do with the nervous system or the skin itself.  David

Hoffmann suggests that..."whilst the nerves often feel like they need

anti-inflammatories, the best remedies for the 'inflamed state of mind' are

herbal relaxing nervines".  He continues, "The only true anti-inflammatory

for the nervous tissue is St. John's Wort, which helps in the recovery of

damaged nerves.  However, many of the nervines will help, such as Oats and

Valerian".  For reducing inflammation of the skin, herbs would include

Marigold, St. John's Wort, Myrrh, Goldenseal, Arnica, Chickweed and Plantain.



Some examples of the main groups of herbal anti-inflammatories:

        Salicylate containing: Meadowsweet, Willow bark, Birch, Whie Poplar.

        Steroid precursor containing:  Wild Yam, Licorice, Marshmallow and other

saponin containing.

        Oil containing:  Chamomile, St. John's Wort, Calendula

        Resin containing: Guaiacum, Bogbean

        Demulcent/emollients:  Comfrey, Marshmallow, Plantain



Be well,

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Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hives

From: "Anne S. Wityk" <DomMana@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:42:42 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-19 07:28:48 EDT, rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET (Rosamond

-Rusty- Taylor) writes:



<< Are hives caused by a virus? >>



Most hives are the results of an allergic reaction. Sometimes the reaction is

to something in the environment (food, something touched, etc); sometimes the

reaction is to something in the body (idiosyncratic urticaria). In both

cases, the skin reacts by releasing histimine. I can't speak to what action

elderberries would have on the skin cells to prevent the formation of hives,

but I don't think their antiviral properties come into play here. I could be

wrong, though! ;-)

~~Anne

dommana@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Comfrey, and others.

From: Daniela Lowe <danlowe@OVERNET.COM.AR>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:21:00 +0000

--------

Hi, how are you all!



It is a long time since I don't write any postings but life is

sometimes to hectic here!



I am having some comfrey plants, full of flowers now, and I was

wondering if anybody could give me the recipe to use comfrey for

bruises, my kids (both of them boys) usually get kicked when they

play football, and I know I could use comfrey in order to help them.



Next week we are starting spring here, and everything is turning sooo

beautiful... All my plants are beggingin to show up, and my herbs are

gaining strength again...



I found some chamomile in a small field nearby, and also some

capsella bursa pastoris, lots of leucojum vernum, dandelions, urtica

dioica, and some others I am trying to identificate positevely...



If anybody has a suggestion on the use of any of this ones, and their

preparation, I will indeed appreciate it.



I wanted to thank the list for all the good things I am usually

learning here,and for the opportunity to grow not only in knowledge,

but as a human being too.



Have a nice day.

Danielita.

Buenos Aires.

Argentina.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey, and others.

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@LARC.NASA.GOV>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:53:28 -0400

--------

Hi Daneilita,

Is there a book, you can recommend for identifying  plants? It seems you have

a good knowledge in identifying these wonderful plants. Any suggestion

would be appreciated. Thank you.



Michelle





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: HTN

From: Ginny Dudek <gdudek.uncson@MHS.UNC.EDU>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:06:18 -0400

--------

With the steady weight gain you describe fluid retention is a

problem. My first recommendation is that he see a medical doctor to

be certain that he is not going into heart failure. This would be an

urgent problem if he is short of breath.

A low salt diet may make a different with fluid retention, as will

several herbs.

Since he's refusing medication would he consider oral chelation (with

vitamins) to reduce plaque on the arteries? A herbal detox program

may also make a difference.

I would caution you to remember that hypertension can be life

threatening, and should not be treated lightly.

Ginny





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Botanical Question (plant taxonomy LONG)

From: "Patricia C. McMullen" <Redgato@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:26:46 -0400

--------

Hi,



I tried to send this to Wendy but it was returned with a host unknown message

attached so I'm posting it to the list (and putting on my teacher's hat!)



Subj:   Plant classification

Date:   09/15/97

To:     sheeper@LAN2WAN.CO



<<Can you elaborate on the similarities in structures for me?



<<Thanks,

<<Wendy.

--

<<NormNDy Farm



Is this what you wanted?  Plants are classified by their structure such as

leaves (there are many different type of leaves and structural positions of

the leaves on different plants), stems, cellular makeup (modern science),

type of seeds, seed pods, type of flowers, non-flowering, etc.  Anything that

makes one plant different or like another plant is used to classify them!





Plant Classification List





Kingdom Plantae

(in order from least to most complex)



Chlorophycophyta (green algae) grow in fresh water and in seawater. More than

7,500 species are known. Their chloroplasts contain chlorophyll a and b, like

most land plants. The green algae are usually grass-green in color, and many

species are unicellular. Most scientists believe that land plants originated

from green algal ancestors.



Phaeophycophyta (brown algae) are found mainly in ocean habitats. About 1,500

species are known. Their chloroplasts contain chlorophyll a and c and a brown

pigment called xanthophyll, which gives these algae their dark color. Some of

the brown algae, such as the giant kelp, may grow to enormous size. Cells

within the brown algae known as seaweeds are often specialized for specific

tasks.



Chrysophycophyta (yellow-green algae and golden, or golden-brown, algae)

occur in fresh water and seawater. Over 6,000 species have been described.

Like the brown algae, their chloroplasts contain chlorophyll a and c, and

other pigments give these plants their characteristic yellowish color. The

cell walls of these algae are composed of cellulose and silicon, which give

them a glasslike appearance. Unlike other algae, the Chrysophycophyta do not

store their food in the form of starch but in the form of oil or

carbohydrate.



Rhodophycophyta (red algae) are abundant in ocean habitats, though a few

species also occur in freshwater streams and lakes. About 3,900 species are

known. Their chloroplasts contain chlorophyll a and d and a red pigment

called phycoerythrin. These algae may grow at great depths in areas of the

ocean where the water is clear. Some of them accumulate calcium carbonate and

play a central role in the formation of limestone reefs.



Hepatophyta (liverworts) are found in relatively moist habitats such as damp

woods and along streams. The number of species exceeds 8,000. Liverworts have

simple stems or no stems and may have simple leaves or flat green bodies that

resemble leaves. They are the most primitive living land plants.



Anthocerotophyta (hornworts) occur in moist land habitats. There are fewer

than 50 species. Although the hornworts resemble liverworts in general form,

their reproductive structures are more similar to those of the mosses. For

this reason, botanists believe that the hornworts may represent an

intermediate stage in the evolution of the mosses from liverwort-like

ancestors.



Bryophyta (mosses) grow worldwide in habitats that range from very wet to

extremely dry. More than 24,000 species have been described. Unlike the

liverworts and hornworts, mosses often have erect stems. Their spore cases

are usually borne at the end of long stems called setae. Some are so small

that a microscope is needed to see them, but a few may be more than one foot

(30 centimeters) long.



Psilotophyta (whisk ferns) are the most primitive living plants that have

vascular tissues--specialized tissues for the transport of water and food.

There are only five species. The leaves of the whisk ferns are very small and

the stems have a distinctly forked, branching pattern. Fossils of this group

date from more than 400 million years ago.



Microphyllophyta (club mosses) are found in a wide range of habitats

worldwide. Nearly 1,200 species are known. These plants differ from the

Psilophyta in that they have transport tissues in their leaves. They also

have specialized leaves, called sporophylls, that produce the reproductive

spores. It is these sporophylls that resemble clubs and give this group its

name.



Equisetophyta (horsetails) grow in relatively moist to very wet habitats in

many parts of the world. Today there are only about 20 species, most of which

grow to only a few feet in height. About 400 million years ago, however,

there were many more species, and some grew to be trees that were more than

50 feet (15 meters) tall. The leaves of the horsetail rushes are very small;

most of the food production occurs in the green stems. Spores are produced in

cones that are borne at the ends of stems.



Pteridophyta (ferns) are found in nearly all land ecosystems worldwide. They

range in size from small herbs to large trees. More than 10,000 species have

been described. Ferns differ from more primitive land plants in that they

have well-developed leaves--in fact, the leaves of the tree ferns are the

largest and most complex in the plant kingdom. Ferns reproduce by means of

spores produced in specialized capsules on the underside of certain leaves.



Cycadophyta (cycads) are the most primitive plants that reproduce by means of

seeds. There are about 100 species, which grow primarily in wet tropical

regions. Botanists believe that cycads evolved from fernlike ancestors more

than 300 million years ago. About 280 to 70 million years ago these plants

were quite common. Pollen is produced in cones on male plants and is carried

by wind to female cones, which are on separate plants. When pollinated,

ovules develop into seeds that germinate to give rise to new plants.



Ginkgophyta (ginkgo) includes only one species, which no longer grows in the

wild, though it is cultivated worldwide as a shade tree. Its native habitat

was the deciduous forests of China. Seventy million years ago, forests of

ginkgo grew across much of Asia and North America. The ginkgo has flattened

broad leaves. Because its ovules are naked, or not surrounded by a fruit,

botanists consider the ginkgo to be a relative of the conifers.



Coniferophyta (conifers) grow worldwide. There are about 550 species. Pollen

and ovules are exposed, or naked. The leaves of many species are needlelike,

but some species have broad leaves. Most conifers keep their leaves

year-round and are said to be evergreen, though some are deciduous and lose

their leaves in the winter.



Gnetophyta (Gnetum and Ephedra) occur in diverse habitats around the world.

There are 71 known species. Their structure resembles that of flowering

plants. Although their ovules are exposed like those of the conifers, they

are produced in structures that bear some resemblance to flowers. Few fossils

are known from this division, and scientists are uncertain about which plants

are the closest relatives of the Gnetophytes.



Anthophyta (flowering plants), also called Magnoliophyta, are the most

widespread land plants. About 400,000 species have been described, but

scientists suspect that the actual number of species may be twice that

figure. Members range in size from tiny duckweeds to giant redwoods. This

division is made up of the monocotyledons and the dicotyledons. Unlike all

other seed plants, the flowering plants produce ovules that are enclosed in a

fleshy ovary. After fertilization, the ovules develop into seeds and the

ovary becomes the fruit. The fruit provides protection for the developing

seed and may also be crucial in seed dispersal. While most conifers depend on

wind for pollination, the colors and nectar of flowers attract insects, which

then carry pollen from one flower to another.





Pat (being long winded)

Redgato@aol.com

Patricia C. McMullen BSMT(ASCP)

Microbiologist





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Botanical Question (plant taxonomy LONG)

From: Jerry Sobel user <JerrySobel@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 11:11:07 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-16 10:29:05 EDT, you write:



<< Redgato@aol.com >>



     Thanks for all that info, it was very informative.



                                    Jerry





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: 2nd time post  tincture ? and preservation ?

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:25:54 -0400

--------

I did not get any replys on this so I am not sure if it made it to the list.

Therefore I am posting it a second time.  If it was posted correctly the

first time, then I apologize for the second posting.



I am harvesting mint, sage, lemon balm, lemon verbena, basil, patchouli and

thyme at this point in time.  Would any of these make a good canidate for

tincturing and if yes, what would it be used for.  I sometimes drink sage

tea for sore throats, but mostly use if for culinary purposes.  Would love

some imput on this.



Mary Lu



If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 2nd time post  tincture ? and preservation ?

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:47:51 -0700

--------

At 12:25 PM 9/16/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I did not get any replys on this so I am not sure if it made it to the list.

>Therefore I am posting it a second time.  If it was posted correctly the

>first time, then I apologize for the second posting.

>

>I am harvesting mint, sage, lemon balm, lemon verbena, basil, patchouli and

>thyme at this point in time.  Would any of these make a good canidate for

>tincturing and if yes, what would it be used for.  I sometimes drink sage

>tea for sore throats, but mostly use if for culinary purposes.  Would love

>some imput on this.

>

>Mary Lu



I do not have any experience tincturing any of the herbs you're harvesting.

 However, an infused oil  with lemon balm is very nice for topical

uses....makes an excellent massage oil for stress and overtired muscles.

Patchouli, powdered, is a nice fixative for potpourri.



A nice recipe for the lemon balm/lemon verbena/mint:  Make a very strong

tea with all three, chill, blend with sparkling water, serve with sprigs of

mint for a wonderful refreshing summer - - it's not really over, is it?:-(

- - drink.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

On The Web Soon (Soon Being A Relative Term, Of Course)

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:57:27 -0400

--------

Hi Danielita,



I like to make a hot oil infusion with comfrey leaves.   I put 1 part

grapeseed or almond oil in the top of a double boiler with 1 1/2 parts

fresh herb or 1/2 part dry, not that I've tried the dry.  I gently heat

it, covered for about 3 hours and strain through cheesecloth.  You can

mix it with cold infused plantain (plantago major) leaf oil as well.  It

rubs on nicely.



I have tried to make this into a cream, mixing it with comfrey leaf

infusion, melted beeswax and lethicin for emulsification.   I  warmed the

ingredients and put it into a Vitamix, but ended up with a poorly

emulsified wax-lump filled mixture which later separated.  (Nice green

color though.)  Does anyone have any tricks on proportions and mixing to

offer?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:21:00 +0000 Daniela Lowe <danlowe@OVERNET.COM.AR>

writes:

>I am having some comfrey plants, full of flowers now, and I was

>wondering if anybody could give me the recipe to use comfrey for

>bruises, my kids (both of them boys) usually get kicked when they

>play football, and I know I could use comfrey in order to help them.



>Danielita.

>Buenos Aires.

>Argentina.

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:52:40 GMT

--------

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:57:27 -0400, Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

wrote to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>I have tried to make this into a cream, mixing it with comfrey leaf

>infusion, melted beeswax and lethicin for emulsification.   I  warmed the

>ingredients and put it into a Vitamix, but ended up with a poorly

>emulsified wax-lump filled mixture which later separated.  (Nice green

>color though.)  Does anyone have any tricks on proportions and mixing to

>offer?



For a normal oil-beeswax salve you don't mix in a vitamix, you stir with a

spoon. To be able to do that you need to get your chunks of beeswax into small

pieces - this is easiest achieved by making sticks of it (1) after cleaning it

(2).

So, how I make salve: gently warm the (infused)(3) oil in a waterbath, add small

pieces of wax, stir steadily, remove from heat when all wax is dissolved, pour

into jars, let cool.



(1) Making sticks: pour in a thin stream on something it'll part from, like

waxed paper.

(2) Cleaning wax: melt in a waterbath and pour thru a cheese cloth or similar.

(3) Infusing oil: two ways I know of, and use:

    One, you macerate: put crushed fresh or dry herb into oil, let steep for 3-4



    weeks, pour thru sieve.

    Two, you heat: put crushed fresh or dry herb into oil, heat gently in

    waterbath, let steep for a while, pour thru sieve.



Proportions: 4-5 parts of oil to one part of beeswax. And boy! does that smell

nice.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Lory Ann Smith <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:32:00 -0400

--------

Hi Karen,

   We make our salves with olive oil and different herbs and add beeswax to

thicken - 8 oz oil to 1 oz wax. The trick is to have the oil hot when you add

the melted wax and keep beating till it's completely set. We usually melt the

wax right in the oil and have made a wooden whisk out of bamboo skewers -

we've had to re-melt and start over if we quit beating too soon - it does

separate and form waxy lumps. It helps to have more than one person working

on it so you can switch off for tired arms <g>.

Have fun!   Lory



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Nature Jewelry + Herbal Remedies

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:32:31 -0800

--------

At 12:57 PM 9/16/97 -0400, Karen Vaughan wrote:

>Hi Danielita,

>

>I like to make a hot oil infusion with comfrey leaves.   I put 1 part

>grapeseed or almond oil in the top of a double boiler with 1 1/2 parts

>fresh herb or 1/2 part dry, not that I've tried the dry.  I gently heat

>it, covered for about 3 hours and strain through cheesecloth.  You can

>mix it with cold infused plantain (plantago major) leaf oil as well.  It

>rubs on nicely.

>

>I have tried to make this into a cream, mixing it with comfrey leaf

>infusion, melted beeswax and lethicin for emulsification.   I  warmed the

>ingredients and put it into a Vitamix, but ended up with a poorly

>emulsified wax-lump filled mixture which later separated.  (Nice green

>color though.)  Does anyone have any tricks on proportions and mixing to

>offer?

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>

>On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 10:21:00 +0000 Daniela Lowe <danlowe@OVERNET.COM.AR>

>writes:

>>I am having some comfrey plants, full of flowers now, and I was

>>wondering if anybody could give me the recipe to use comfrey for

>>bruises, my kids (both of them boys) usually get kicked when they

>>play football, and I know I could use comfrey in order to help them.

>

>>Danielita.

>>Buenos Aires.

>>Argentina.

>>

>

>I've found that a good proportion for oil to beeswax is about 3 Tbsp wax

to 1/2 cup oil (add more later if you need it thicker).  I heat it all in a

small crock pot.  Oil and wax MUST be at the same temp to mix. After

heating them together for 10-15 min, I pour it into a container and stir

with a small whip until it's cool.  It will start to thicken quickly so pay

attention to stirring.  Once it's thick, you can spoon it into containers

for storage.

Basically: Make a hot oil infusion of herbs (3 hours), strain, heat wax and

add to oil, heat 15 min, Pour out of pan into a cooling jar and stir with

whip until congealed.  It works most of the time.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Daniela Lowe <danlowe@OVERNET.COM.AR>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:27:02 +0000

--------

Thanks Karen, and Anita for the suggestions on how to prepare the

oil. I will have to look for the wax, I am curious, if this is the

same wax that it is used to make candles...



Any comment can enlighten my poor knowledge.

As usual, thanks a lot.

Danielita



"Each beggining is an echo of the the first begginig and a reenactmentof the time of creation"



Buenos Aires, Argentina.

danlowe@overnet.com.ar





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:35:19 -0400

--------

Beeswax is the wax from bee hives which can be used for candles ( but so

are mineral waxes such as paraffin or stearic acid.)  If cocoa butter or

coconut oil is more available, you can use that instead, or rendered lard

(animal fat).  Cocoa butter, coconut oil or lard are not as hard as

beeswax so require less oil to make a salve consistency.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 01:27:02 +0000 Daniela Lowe <danlowe@OVERNET.COM.AR>

writes:

>Thanks Karen, and Anita for the suggestions on how to prepare the

>oil. I will have to look for the wax, I am curious, if this is the

>same wax that it is used to make candles...

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:12:14 -0800

--------

At 01:27 AM 9/17/97 +0000, Daniela Lowe wrote:

>Thanks Karen, and Anita for the suggestions on how to prepare the

>oil. I will have to look for the wax, I am curious, if this is the

>same wax that it is used to make candles...

>

>Any comment can enlighten my poor knowledge.

>As usual, thanks a lot.

>Danielita

>

>"Each beggining is an echo of the the first begginig and a reenactmentof

the time of creation"

>

>Buenos Aires, Argentina.

>danlowe@overnet.com.ar

>

>

Pure beeswax can be purchased at most craft stores where it is used for

waxing thread among other things.  It can also be purchased in archery

shops where it is used to wax bowstrings.  It can also be purchased at

hardware stores where it is usually sold in small chunks for about $1.00

each.  If you look for beeswax toilet bowl seals, that is also a good

source  (some of those are not pure beeswax though so read labels).  It is

also used in candlemaking. You can get sheets or chunks of beeswax for

candlemaking, just make sure it is pure and unscented and uncolored.  You

might also check with local beekeepers.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey creme or lotion

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 14:09:34 -0400

--------

Henriette-



Thanks, but my real question has to do with making a cream or lotion

which has an aqueous infusion along with the oil and wax.   I used the

lecithin as an emulsifier, but either didn't use enough or had something

else off. ( I've gotton somewhat tired of using salves and want to make

something a bit lighter.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:52:40 GMT Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

writes:

>On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 12:57:27 -0400, Karen Vaughan

><creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

>wrote to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:

>

>>I have tried to make this into a cream, mixing it with comfrey leaf

>>infusion, melted beeswax and lethicin for emulsification.   I  warmed

the

>>ingredients and put it into a Vitamix, but ended up with a poorly

>>emulsified wax-lump filled mixture which later separated.  (Nice green

>>color though.)  Does anyone have any tricks on proportions and mixing

>to offer?

>

>For a normal oil-beeswax salve you don't mix in a vitamix, you stir with

a

>spoon. To be able to do that you need to get your chunks of beeswax

>into small pieces - this is easiest achieved by making sticks of it (1)

after

>cleaning it

>(2).

>So, how I make salve: gently warm the (infused)(3) oil in a waterbath,

>add small

>pieces of wax, stir steadily, remove from heat when all wax is

>dissolved, pour into jars, let cool.

>

>(1) Making sticks: pour in a thin stream on something it'll part from,

>like waxed paper.

>(2) Cleaning wax: melt in a waterbath and pour thru a cheese cloth or

>similar.

>(3) Infusing oil: two ways I know of, and use:

>One, you macerate: put crushed fresh or dry herb into oil, let

>steep for 3-4    weeks, pour thru sieve.

>Two, you heat: put crushed fresh or dry herb into oil, heat gently

>in   waterbath, let steep for a while, pour thru sieve.

>

>Proportions: 4-5 parts of oil to one part of beeswax. And boy! does

>that smell nice.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey creme or lotion

From: Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:01:46 -0400

--------

Hi, Karen,



I love making herbal creams, some instructions follow. The very best

instructions I've found in print are in Rosemary Gladstar's _Herbal Healing

for Women_ (Rosemary's famous face cream).



Before I go on, I have a question of my own--Are there any herbs I can use in

my creams as a sunscreen? Barring that, can anyone recommend a sunscreen

ingredient that I can order through a chemical supply co or pharmacy? Thanks!



Cream instructions:

In addition to beeswax as a solidifier, use another solid fat such as: cocoa

butter, coconut oil, lanolin.  1/2 oz of beeswax to 1-3 oz solid fat.   Grate

the beeswax and melt, slowly adding the other solid fat(s) and the oil (about

twice the amount of solid fat), stirring constantly. There is an optimal

temperature for the oil/fat/wax mixture of 135 degrees, which will take care

of the lumpy wax problem. Remove the pan from the heat, and allow to cool to

room temperature. The water should also be at room temperature.



The ideal method at this point is to measure your water into a blender, start

it going, and drizzle in the fat mixture until you hear a change in sound

signifying the emulsion is ready.  (Just like homemade mayonnaise.) If you

hate cleaning the blender, put a hand mixer into the cooled pan and whip the

fats while drizzling in the water. It's not quite as good, but has worked for

me. Stir in essential oils, if you want them, after emulsification.



The next step is to put into jars and label.



Tips:  To add herbs to cream, use an herbal oil or distilled herb waters.

(Always use distilled water for cosmetics, to avoid bacteria.) Infusions can

be used, but they will spoil after only a week or so because of the bacteria

present. If you use dried herbs to make your oil, carefully strain your oil,

and use only distilled waters, shelf life will be as long as 1-2 years.

 Fresh herb oils have a variable water content and can spoil quickly if not

expertly made; use your nose--check the smell of your cream frequently.



Separation may occur if the cream is not properly emulsified, the storage

temperature is too high, or it's just old.  Just stir or shake before using,

but be wary of this if you plan to give it away as gifts.

I have never needed lecithin to keep the emulsion, but put it (liquid form)

into your water mixture if you wish to use it. You can also add aloe vera gel

instead of some of the water.



Hope this helps!



Patricia

harperp@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey creme or lotion

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:36:21 -0800

--------

At 02:09 PM 9/16/97 -0400, Karen Vaughan wrote:

>Henriette-

>

>Thanks, but my real question has to do with making a cream or lotion

>which has an aqueous infusion along with the oil and wax.   I used the

>lecithin as an emulsifier, but either didn't use enough or had something

>else off. ( I've gotton somewhat tired of using salves and want to make

>something a bit lighter.)

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>

>

I found a really nifty little book that tells how to make herbal things

like this.  It's published by Reader's Digest and is one of their "Home"

series.  It's simply called Herbs.  It's inexpensive and a great little

book. (no commercial interest)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Comfrey creme or lotion

From: jmission <jmission@INDY.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 23:33:39 -0500

--------

Hi there!



What is the ISBN number for this book - should be listed near the bar code

on the back of the book or on the title page in the book.



Thank you!

j



At 05:36 PM 9/16/97 -0800, you wrote:

>At 02:09 PM 9/16/97 -0400, Karen Vaughan wrote:

>>Henriette-

>>

>>Thanks, but my real question has to do with making a cream or lotion

>>which has an aqueous infusion along with the oil and wax.   I used the

>>lecithin as an emulsifier, but either didn't use enough or had something

>>else off. ( I've gotton somewhat tired of using salves and want to make

>>something a bit lighter.)

>>

>>Karen Vaughan

>>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>>

>>

>I found a really nifty little book that tells how to make herbal things

>like this.  It's published by Reader's Digest and is one of their "Home"

>series.  It's simply called Herbs.  It's inexpensive and a great little

>book. (no commercial interest)

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal sunscreens

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:03:54 -0400

--------

I know that the carrier oils themselves have a (low) SPF -almond was

recommended to me by a neighbor who made almond/ sesame/ essential oils

and used nothing stronger in the sun.  He was, however, darker than I

like to get after sun exposure.  (Hey I use big hats and SPF 45 for

babies sunblock if I have any significant exposure or let nature take its

course if the exposure is incidental.)  But I would consider a barrier

like powdered zinc oxide or clay (pick your tones carefully- bentonite is

smooth grained and seems to be a soft beige; grey, green and terracotta

may be undesirable except to tint kaolin or zinc oxide.)



And it is probably a good idea to include some of those essential oils or

herbs that are good for burned skin- lavender essential oil, cleavers,

comfrey or calendula.  Are you trying for a waxy water-resistant

sunscreen or just extra protection in a facial lotion?



Thanks for the creme emulsifying information.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:01:46 -0400 Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

writes:

Before I go on, I have a question of my own--Are there any herbs I can

>use in my creams as a sunscreen? Barring that, can anyone recommend a

>sunscreen ingredient that I can order through a chemical supply co or

pharmacy?

>Thanks!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal sunscreens

From: Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:43:28 -0400

--------

In a message dated 9/16/97 8:10:04 PM, you wrote:



>Are you trying for a waxy water-resistant

>sunscreen or just extra protection in a facial lotion?



I'd like something light (with highest possible SPF), that will be more

invisible than opaque. I have some zinc oxide powder, but I've only used it

as a rash cream--which was not an attractive consistancy for a cosmetic

product. If anyone has experience or recipes using zinc oxide in a

cosmetic-type (rather than medicinal-type formulation, I'd love to hear from

you. And I'm still interested in any kind of herbal sunscreen combinations.



Patricia

harperp@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW?

From: Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:07:50 -0400

--------

Speaking of SJW, does anyone know where I can obtain the fresh hypericum

plant.  I want to make some of the oil; but, don't have

a source near me in N.E. Ohio.



Thanks.

Carter

coleb@ncweb.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 19:44:59 -0400

--------

Richters sells hypericum perforatum var. medizinal in seed form (and

possibly plant form next year- they have plain H. perforatum in plant

form too.)  I also got plants of the medicinally enhanced variety from

The Herb Farm in Washington State near North Bend. (Marcia- do you have

an address?)



Regular hypericum perforatum is more widely available- just found an

article on the web saying that it was the scourge of cattle country- an

invasive weed that displaced cattle foraging species.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:07:50 -0400 Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM> writes:

>Speaking of SJW, does anyone know where I can obtain the fresh

>hypericum

>plant.  I want to make some of the oil; but, don't have

>a source near me in N.E. Ohio.

>

>Thanks.

>Carter

>coleb@ncweb.com

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW?

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:38:37 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

I want to make some of the oil; but, don't have a source near me in N.E. Ohio.



I ADD:

I believe if you get a good field guide you'll find it growing all around you.  When I lived in Copley, OH - halfway between Akron and Medina, SJW grew wild as a weed all over including cracks in the sidewalks.

KB

P.S. It's too late to pick it this year but find it for nest.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds (Urtica dioica)

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:58:16 -0400

--------

Does anyone know where I can get nettle seeds in quantity?  If anyone has

some for sale please email me privately.



Thanks in advance -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds (Urtica dioica)

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:00:48 -0400

--------

Mary Conley, MNH wrote:

>

> Does anyone know where I can get nettle seeds in quantity?  If anyone has

> some for sale please email me privately.

>

> Thanks in advance -

> Mary Conley, MNH

> Herbgrow30@aol.com





Can I assume you have contacted Richter's already?

http://www.richters.com

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds (Urtica dioica)

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:02:05 -0700

--------

>Does anyone know where I can get nettle seeds in quantity?  If anyone has

>some for sale please email me privately.

>

>Thanks in advance -

>Mary Conley, MNH

>Herbgrow30@aol.com



Have I got a deal for you!  You want nettles?  I've got nettles growing

wild all over the place!  I'll go collect some seeds, if you want.



There's a potential for a great seed exchange, here, because all of us on

the Herb List are in different parts of the country!



Rusty



*************************************************************************



Bob & Rusty Taylor                 "You come far, pilgrim!"

Poulsbo, WA                        "Feels like far."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)      "Were it worth the trouble?"



Non-commercial webpages:           "Heh?  What trouble?"

www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor           (from the movie "Jeremiah Johnson")



*************************************************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds (Urtica dioica)

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:05:15 -0700

--------

At 08:02 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:

>>Does anyone know where I can get nettle seeds in quantity?  If anyone has

>>some for sale please email me privately.

>>

>>Thanks in advance -

>>Mary Conley, MNH

>>Herbgrow30@aol.com

>

>Have I got a deal for you!  You want nettles?  I've got nettles growing

>wild all over the place!  I'll go collect some seeds, if you want.

>

>There's a potential for a great seed exchange, here, because all of us on

>the Herb List are in different parts of the country!

>

>Rusty



I had this very thought a week or so ago, but got too busy to suggest it.

I'm currently hoarding two file boxes of seeds! (Not all herbs, but a good

many.)  If Henriette agrees, let's all post what we have with instructions

for obtaining.



Henriette?



Be well,



Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

Delightful New 36-Page Catalog 1-800-782-4532

On The Web Soon (Soon Being A Relative Term, Of Course)

Beautiful Concentrated Strength St. John's Wort Oil Available Now!!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds (Urtica dioica)

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:56:15 -0400

--------

> >There's a potential for a great seed exchange, here, because all of us on

> >the Herb List are in different parts of the country!

> >

> >Rusty

>

> I had this very thought a week or so ago, but got too busy to suggest it.

> I'm currently hoarding two file boxes of seeds! (Not all herbs, but a good

> many.)  If Henriette agrees, let's all post what we have with instructions

> for obtaining.

>

> Henriette?

>



If anyone has any Lobelia Inflata seeds I would be interested.

Organic or wildcrafted, of course.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds (Urtica dioica)

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 12:25:20 -0400

--------

Rusty wrote:



> Have i got a deal for you.  You want nettles?  I've got nettles growing

wild all over the place...



Yeeeeeesssss!!!!  Whatever you want to gather I'll take.  Email me privately

for a seed exchange or let me know what the cost is.  The seeds I plan to use

to nourish endocrine glands and as a thyroid helper.



Thanks so much -

Mary

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds (Urtica dioica)

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:34:14 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-21 10:15:27 EDT, you write:



<< Sorry about the "me too" but I am also new to herbs and I, too, would like

 to be put on the mailing lists for seeds and other supplies.  Thank you!

 btw, I have been looking for seeds in my local area (my homework)- to no

 real avail.  Sorry again about the me too.

 

 j >>



Both Richter's and Frontier Herbs have seeds in their catalogues.  You can

order their catalogues from their homepages to be mailed to you snailmail or

email.  (No commercial interest.)



Try the addresses below:



FRONTIER HERBS: http://www.frontierherb.com/homepage.html

RICHTERS: (Herb Catalogue ONLINE; Free Lecture SeriesCommercial Herb

Conference; Workshop    Series; Richters Herbletter HerbGrow Sheets; FAQs)

http://www.richters.com



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds (Urtica dioica)

From: Barbara Birkinbine <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:30:51 -0400

--------

Try Horizon Herbs in Williams, Oregon (no commercial interest)

They have much better prices than Richter's or Frontier.  Many more seeds for

the dollar.  Great selection and they offer grower advice over the phone.

They can be reached at 541/ 846-6704



In a message dated 97-09-21 10:35:18 EDT, you write:



<< Sorry about the "me too" but I am also new to herbs and I, too, would like

  to be put on the mailing lists for seeds and other supplies.  Thank you!

  btw, I have been looking for seeds in my local area (my homework)- to no

  real avail.  Sorry again about the me too. >>







Regards,



Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

Medicinal Herb Grower

OakCamp@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds (Urtica dioica)

From: bbrom <bbrom@IBM.NET>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 14:27:59 -0500

--------

Here is there address for whoever is interested.  I found it this

morning.

Betty



http://www.chatlink.com/~herbseed/Welcome.html



> Try Horizon Herbs in Williams, Oregon (no commercial interest)

> They have much better prices than Richter's or Frontier.  Many more seeds

> for

> the dollar.  Great selection and they offer grower advice over the phone.

> They can be reached at 541/ 846-6704





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds (Urtica dioica)

From: "[Sandie Schoenborn]" <SSchoen110@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 05:12:01 -0400

--------

For those of you looking for herbal seeds I found a great site on the web.

www.richters.com/

They're out of Canada & claim to have thousands of different types of herbal

seeds! I sent for their catalog. It's free. Can't wait to get it!

Namaste

Sandie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW? source of plants..

From: Mike Buttino <mbuttino@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 17:42:27 EDT

--------

On Tue, 16 Sep 1997 16:07:50 -0400 Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM> writes:

>Speaking of SJW, does anyone know where I can obtain the fresh

>hypericum

>plant.  I want to make some of the oil; but, don't have

>a source near me in N.E. Ohio.

>

>Thanks.

>Carter

>coleb@ncweb.com

>

You can buy St. John's Wort plants as well as MANY other herb seeds,

plants,

and bulk herbs from Richters Herb Catalogue. (NO commercial interest) The

website can be found at www.richters.com  Great catalogue!!

Mike Buttino

Sardinia, New York

mbuttino@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Horehound

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 15:54:50 -0800

--------

At 04:40 PM 9/15/97 -0400, Eva Varney wrote:

>I would love the horehound cough drop recipe also

>

>Thanks,   Eva

>

>

For the numerous requests I've had for horehound cough drops (candy), here

it is:  Please archive this in your files.



HOREHOUND CANDY COUGH DROPS



Infuse:

8 cups boiling water

1 1/2 quarts loose packed horehound leaves and stems

Steep covered 20 min. Drain and discard leaves and stems.

To 2 quarts of the infusion add:

4 cups sugar

1 1/4 cups dark cane syrup

1 tsp cream of tartar

Cook these ingredients to hard crack stage (300 degrees on a candy

thermometer).  Skim off any scum.  Pour into a 15X10X1 inch pan and score

into pieces before it sets.  Allow to cool.

This is the old traditional recipe.  Hope you enjoy it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: High Cholesterol & Garlic

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:52:01 -0400

--------

Eric-



I would be interested in your canned garlic recipies, especially the hot

one with peppers and the mild with onions and cloves.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Wed, 27 Aug 1997 14:52:44 -0500 Eric Lower <herbco@NS.GEMLINK.COM>

writes:

>Anyone interested might also try canning, which comes closer to the

>original in the sense of much less heat applied directly to the herb.

>I make three different 'flavors': hot, with peppers for sweating; mild,

>with onions and cloves for those with tender palates, and; the childs'

>variety with honey. Surely, if my seven year old can eat garlic prepared

>this way, you older individuals with tougher palates and a sense of

>reckless adventure could handle it.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: How to sign off????

From: Willie Feldman <WFELDMAN-ATE@POSTOFFICE.WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 22:31:37 -0400

--------

I've deleted a message that explaines how to sign-off from this list.

Please, let me know how to do it.



Thanks,



Irene





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: chamomile ointment

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Tue, 16 Sep 1997 21:56:26 -0700

--------

I picked some chamomile flowers on the way home tonight, decided to

make an eye cream for undereye circles out of petroleum jelly and

flowers simmered for up to 2 hrs.  I strained it and poured the "cream"

into a pretty jar.  I am wondering if I should refrigerate the cream

or if it is OK to just leave it in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom?

(which I hope is OK)  However, I also wonder how long it will last?

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chamomile ointment

From: Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:48:11 -0400

--------

In a message dated 9/17/97 3:23:21 AM, you wrote:



>I picked some chamomile flowers on the way home tonight, decided to

>make an eye cream for undereye circles out of petroleum jelly and

>flowers simmered for up to 2 hrs. . . . I am wondering if I should

refrigerate the cream

>or if it is OK to just leave it in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom?

>(which I hope is OK)  However, I also wonder how long it will last?

>Linda S.



Hi, Linda.



Your ointment should last at least several months on the shelf. Petroleum

jelly does not go rancid as quickly as botanical oils. I think your ointment

would be a fine soothing application for abrasions or cracked and chapped or

calloused feet, elbows, etc. For eye cream, however, you might want to try

something like chamomile-infused wheat germ oil, or sweet almond oil with

vitamin E added. These lighter oils will still allow the skin to breath,

while petrolatum seals the pores. When applying eye cream, it is important

not to tug on and stretch the delicate under-eye skin, which is more

difficult with a thick sticky substance than with a lighter oil.



Chamomile is a great choice for eye cream--try making a double or triple oil

extraction (reuse the infused oil to macerate subsequent batches) to get more

benefit from it.



Just my two cents worth.



Patricia

harperp@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chamomile ointment

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:50:13 -0400

--------

Mike & Linda Shipley wrote:

>

> I picked some chamomile flowers on the way home tonight, decided to

> make an eye cream for undereye circles out of petroleum jelly and





Did you really need to use petroleum jelly? How about beeswax or even

lanolin? Petroleum very likely causes cancer.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chamomile ointment

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:29:51 -0400

--------

>I picked some chamomile flowers on the way home tonight, decided to

>make an eye cream for undereye circles out of petroleum jelly and

>flowers simmered for up to 2 hrs.  I strained it and poured the "cream"

>into a pretty jar.  I am wondering if I should refrigerate the cream

>or if it is OK to just leave it in the medicine cabinet in the bathroom?

>(which I hope is OK)  However, I also wonder how long it will last?

>Linda S.

petroleum is not a good under eye cream..it builds under the skin..not to

mention it is a moisture barrier and depletes our earth of it's moisture..A

better alternative would be mixing the camomile with jojoba oil.Lisa



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb industry-was: allergies-now standardized

From: Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 09:21:33 -0400

--------

In a message dated 9/17/97 7:55:20 AM, Peter wrote:



>ask yourself if

>the CEOs and good chemists at all of the companies that make up this 8

>billion a year and growing industry



Peter, thanks for your long and passionate : ) post on using whole medicines.





I just thought I'd share a different data point on the size of the herbal

medicines and natural personal care products industry. According to the

August 97 issue of HAPPI magazine (trade magazine for "household and personal

products industry," this industry has reached 46 Billion in sales,

world-wide.



I don't know if this amazing consumer conciousness of herbal/natural products

would exist without "CEO's and good chemists," nor whether it's good, bad or

neutral; but it sure is a big number!



Patricia

harperp@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Olive oil, wax base

From: Gilbert Arnold <arnoldg@EM.AGR.CA>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 10:45:52 -0400

--------

One method as follows;



To make about 8 onces of base, put 4 onces (volume) of olive oil in the

measuring cup and grate beeswax into cup until a volume of 8 onces is

reached.  Pour contents into a sauce pan and heat on low , stirring until

wax is melted.  Your base is ready.



Blessings,



+Gilbert





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Olive oil, wax base

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:55:24 -0400

--------

I use about one icecube size chunk of wax for each cup of oil.  To test the

finished product for consistency before it sets, just dip the blade of a

knife in it and set the knife in the freezer for about 30 sec. or so.  Then,

run your finger over it and decide if you need more wax.   Works everytime

for me.  I find the icecube size chunk melts quite easily in the oil and

saves a lot of shaving, etc., though you can put it in the freezer until it

hardens and hit it with a hammer.  :-) OK, so I always look for an easier

way.  If you want something done more easily, ask a lazy man.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Beeswax source?

From: Connie Williams <willys@LVDI.NET>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:51:59 -0700

--------

Does anyone have a good source of beeswax that they would like to share?

Would be much appreciated.

Conni

willys@lvdi.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Beeswax source?

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 11:43:54 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-17 11:01:52 EDT, you write:



<< Does anyone have a good source of beeswax that they would like to share?

 Would be much appreciated.

 Conni

 willys@lvdi.net >>



I just go to my nearest beekeeper and buy it by the pound.  It will be

"dirty," with bits of bees and debris, but I just melt it down and strain it.

 Then I pour it into milk cartons about 2 inches deep.  If you make it too

deep, you end up with too big a block and it is harder to shave into slivers

for use.



I pay $3.00 per pound, but the more you buy the more they will come down on

the price.  The beekeeper I go to has over 3,000 hives so he can afford to

let go of a lot of wax.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Beeswax source?

From: Steven Vogue/Anastas Harris <anasteve@4DCOMM.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 13:56:04 -0700

--------

At 07:51 AM 9/17/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Does anyone have a good source of beeswax that they would like to share?

>Would be much appreciated.

>Conni

>willys@lvdi.net

>

>

Knorr Candle Co.

Del Mar, Ca.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Beeswax source?

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 19:58:24 -0400

--------

Frontier cooperative has it for $10.25 per pound (plus 8-10%).  I've

found it at farmers markets, both large and small.  Go to the honey

stands and ask.  Also available in jewelry catalogs and art supply stores

but probably less fresh there.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Wed, 17 Sep 1997 07:51:59 -0700 Connie Williams <willys@LVDI.NET>

writes:

>Does anyone have a good source of beeswax that they would like to

>share?

>Would be much appreciated.

>Conni

>willys@lvdi.net

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Beeswax source?

From: Lory Ann Smith <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 06:56:10 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-18 06:28:24 EDT, you write:



> Frontier cooperative has it for $10.25 per pound (plus 8-10%)



Dadant & Sons Inc.

51 South 2nd

Hamilton, IL 62341

217-847-3324

I bought 20 lbs last July for $3.53/lb.   - comes in neat little 1 oz.

"plugs" so I don't bother shaving it





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Beeswax source?

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 16:55:54 -0500

--------

You might check around your area and find out who keeps bees.  Chances

are, someone does.  I have a big block I got from a local beekeeper--deep

gold and it smells heavenly.  Defeinitely worth it to go to the source...



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Beeswax source?

From: Laurie Stewart <LStew25655@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 23:33:00 -0400

--------

You should be able to get beeswax from any good artists supplier or

pharmacist.



Laurie





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Beeswax

From: Patricia Harper <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 12:28:44 -0400

--------

you wrote:

        just melt it [beeswax] down and strain it.

        Then I pour it into milk cartons about 2 inches deep.  If you make it too

        deep, you end up with too big a block and it is harder to shave into slivers

        for use.



Ice cube trays make great molds for beeswax. Grease with olive oil first, or

spray with "Pam." No commercial interest : )



Personally, I like to use the beeswax sheets manufactured for rolled

candle-making. They melt easily, do not require grateing or shaving, and are

easy to weigh to an exact weight. I get them  from a local

bee-keeping/candle-making business.



Patricia

harperp@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Natural herbal medicine vs pharmaceuticals

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 15:10:44 -0400

--------

Anne,



I did not cast aspersions on any other branch of medicine or healing - the

substance of my post was that standardized herbs, by the very process used to

make them so, approaches pharmaceutical meds and is, in fact, driven by the

companies that have found a new niche or are going full speed at what they

have been doing for years.  These people are marketing execs and

manufacturers - NOT healers.  Their interests are not my health, your health,

or anyone's health; their interests are to ride the money train as long as it

continues to increase the bottom line for the company's owners/stockholders,

and they are very quick indeed to jump onto the bandwagon for the

herb-de-jour and get it out in adulterated form making claims that more and

standard are better when nothing could be further from the truth.



Herbal medicine is "natural" medicine as are other practices - but when you

approach the masses and tell them that the super mega potency standardized

one size fits all stuff in your bottle is better than anone else's and that

it will cure this or that because of it, you cross well over the line into

the "unnatural"  and the whole concept of "natural" medicine evaporates.  No

two people are alike, no two conditions are alike, and people are being

lulled into a belief that that doesn't make a difference so long as you just

take Big Bob's Super Potent Snake Oil Formula as it says on the label.  This

isn't medicine, and as a healer, I take strong exception to being called to

task for trying to get people to realize that there are vast differences

between the two - and that while there are other 'alternatives" available, if

you are choosing to pursue the most natural of the lot,  do not be confused

or misled by the advertising and the hype - because it is just that.

Say whatever you will in response - I'll not pursue this thread further.  A

wise man once told me  "speak the truth always, explain yourself

infrequently, and never defend yourself to the critic because they are words

which fall on deaf ears".  Sage advice that has always held me in good stead.



Green Blessings

Peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Arbutus Unedo

From: Bunny <bunny@ANIMAL.BLARG.NET>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:15:58 +0000

--------

> What would be the English name  for Arbutus Unedo (USA)?



Around here we call them strawberry trees.



--

Bunny

bunny@blarg.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Arbutus Unedo

From: Amil Osodrac <selo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:51:40 EDT

--------

What would be the English name  for Arbutus Unedo (USA)?



                Thank You

                                Joco





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Arbutus Unedo

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:36:12 -0400

--------

Arbutus Unedo is also called Strawberry Tree from the family Ericaceae.  A

member of the heather family.  In some places it is called Manzanita.  It's

habitat is listed as rocky woodlands in Europe and North America.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Arbutus Unedo

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:50:31 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-17 23:16:55 EDT, you write:



<< What would be the English name  for Arbutus Unedo (USA)?



 Around here we call them strawberry trees.

  >>

  The name I am familiar with is the Manzanita tree.

peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: beeswax

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:21:22 -0400

--------

I usually get mine through a pharamacist.  It's one of the original, true

drug stores here in town.  I've never had a problem getting it from him.  He

also can get little glass bottles like my grandmother used to have.  And

much much more.  You would be surprised what you can find in a "drug" store!



Mary Lu

Sexylegs@2-hot.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herbs: the bottle vs. nature

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 16:41:21 -0700

--------

Peter,

Please pardon me, but I didn't mean to imply capsules standardized or

not, are better in any way than God & JC's nature all around us.  That

is NOT what I meant. I assumed you would know better. I like it growing

outside my window if I can get it any day. Thanks for clearing that up.

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: was Re: Comfrey now beeswax

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 20:56:11 -0400

--------

>Beeswax is the wax from bee hives which can be used for candles ( but so

>are mineral waxes such as paraffin or stearic acid.)  If cocoa butter or

>coconut oil is more available, you can use that instead, or rendered lard

>(animal fat).  Cocoa butter, coconut oil or lard are not as hard as

>beeswax so require less oil to make a salve consistency.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>



My grandmother used to use 1 part lard to 1 part beeswax on her salves.  She

would melt the lard first and then add the beeswax.  It's a little hard, but

it warms up in the hand and spreads on well.  Hope this helps.



Mary Lu

Sexylegs@2-hot.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: was Re: Comfrey now beeswax

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 09:30:15 -0400

--------

I am not a vegetarian, BUT - when it comes to animal fats there is something

to consider.  You have all heard me rant on over another of my passions  -

the Bovine Growth Hormone (BGH) and steroids that they put in feeds and

directly inject into all of those cows that end up on the grocers shelves and

how that is contributing to the "broadening of America" .  The hormones and

steroids do not die when the animal does and the info I have is that there is

a higher level of this stuff in the fat than there is in the muscle tissue.

 If it IS in the fats in levels greater than the lean muscle - you could well

be not only negating the benefit of the wonderful herbs you are using, you

could be giving yourself transdermal applications of BGH and the steroids -

much worse than what was intended - Just something to consider - to avoid

this - find a grocer or meat market with orgaincally grown beef -

Peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: was Re: Comfrey now beeswax

From: Jim Kami <jakami@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 10:25:11 -0700

--------

        If I remember correctly, you would have to eat approximately 760

pounds of meat to receive the same steroid hormone dosage in a single birth

control pill (I believe this was also in TIME magazine some time ago). You

should worry more about the fats and cholesterol (also a steroid, by the way

and the precursor to all other steroid hormones). BGH is a protein and can

not be taken orally, it would be destroyed by the digestive system just as

any other form of protein (unless, of course, if you are injecting the whole

cow directly into a vein....). Talk to anyone with insulin depended

diabetes. You must inject the hormone directly. Eating sweetbreads (bovine

pancreas) doesn't work. Protein and peptide hormones in general can not

effectively pass through the stomach lining or intestinal wall. If I were

you, I'd be more concerned with the steriods in ginseng than in beef.

        I'm sorry, but you are just fueling hysterical paranoia by promoting

this kind of irresponsible misinformation. Please check your facts before

publishing this kind of stuff.





Jim Kami

Blue Rose Biotech







At 09:30 AM 9/18/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I am not a vegetarian, BUT - when it comes to animal fats there is something

>to consider.  You have all heard me rant on over another of my passions  -

>the Bovine Growth Hormone (BGH) and steroids that they put in feeds and

>directly inject into all of those cows that end up on the grocers shelves and

>how that is contributing to the "broadening of America" .  The hormones and

>steroids do not die when the animal does and the info I have is that there is

>a higher level of this stuff in the fat than there is in the muscle tissue.

> If it IS in the fats in levels greater than the lean muscle - you could well

>be not only negating the benefit of the wonderful herbs you are using, you

>could be giving yourself transdermal applications of BGH and the steroids -

>much worse than what was intended - Just something to consider - to avoid

>this - find a grocer or meat market with orgaincally grown beef -

>Peter

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW  MAOI or SSRI update (heavy)

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 21:04:41 -0400

--------

I certainly respect Mary Connelly and second her comment that we should

each look deeper into available research when there is contradictory

information.  In fact many herbs were Creator designed with constituents

that have contradictory effects- think buffering effects.  In this case

it looks like Mary and I were both right about specific ways that SJW

works.  The herb has several types of actions.



Later research shows that the most prevalent action is probably that of

an SSRI (selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor), although other

individual components are MAO (mono-amino-oxidase) inhibiting, norepinene

reuptake inhibiting or cortisol secretion inhibiting.  There may also be

increases in melatonin, increases in neurotransmitter metabolites,

inhibition of dopamine and prolactin, and  facilitation of binding to

benzodiazepine receptors.  The balance of these actions is probably

critical.



SJW should not be taken with other allopathic MAOIs despite early

classification as a mono-amino-oxidase inhibitor. The jury is still out

on whether it can be taken with SSRIs like Prozac.



(This is analogous to ephedera which, has a prevalent blood-pressure

raising action but contains alkaloids which both raise and lower blood

pressure.  It hence has fewer side effects at normal dosages than the

refined ephederine which lacks the buffering effect.)  For this reason I

would make certain that if one is taking a standardized SJW extract, it

is one that is standardized with increases in total herb quantity rather

than single chemical constituents which could alter the balance.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs: the bottle vs. nature  - my turn

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 22:55:58 -0400

--------

Well - now that I have spouted off at great length and let those deep inside

feelings out into the daylight - I find myself - after some very nicely put

apologies - feeling that I too should post an apology - not for what I said

because I very strongly believe that the art and vocation of herbal medicine

is being driven in the wrong direction, but because my zeal is sometimes

misdirected.



This is a wonderful list and perhaps one of the best forums out there to

spread the word - which is what we all should be about - passing on the

wisdom -



It just seems lately that the whole "new movement"  to herbal preparations

and what is presented as "wonderful for YOU" regardless of who you are and

what your problems is,  is being driven by those who wouldn't know astragalus

from asparagus.  It is those people that I am frustrated by and then feel the

need to attempt to educate everybody about the wide differences in approach,

and the need to really stick with the "spirit" of the plants.  This said, I

too apologize for coming down with both feet on those that did not deserve

it.  It wasn't my intent to do that -

Green Blessings

Peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs: the bottle vs. nature  - my turn

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:05:31 -0800

--------

>and the need to really stick with the "spirit" of the plants.  This said, I

>too apologize for coming down with both feet on those that did not deserve

>it.  It wasn't my intent to do that -

>Green Blessings

>Peter

>

>

I agree.  And I might add that the application of herbs should NOT be

strictly "allopathic".  They should NOT be used to "attack" or eliminate

pathogens alone.  The application of herbs should aim at the CAUSE of the

problem NOT THE SYMPTOMS!!!!!  Herbs can be used to ease symptoms and too

often are used ONLY for that when the approach could be so much more.  I

worry that "science" will invade holistic healing and ruin it forever.

That is one reason I am little concerned with the individual components

present in an herb but pay great attention to its energetics.  A competent

herbalist need NOT be a chemist.  It is interesting but really irrelevant

in application in the end.

  When someone says they are tired all the time, I rarely prescribe

stimulants.  They are only a temporary fix and will ultimately deplete the

system further.  It is better to look for the CAUSE of the weariness than

to just try to give temporary relief with stimulants.

This is only one example.  There are so many others where herbs are used

allopathically.  Let's get away from that.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Paud'Arco

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:02:25 -0400

--------

Would someone one be good enough to tell me what this herb does? I have it in

stomach formula recommended by a herblist for my pancreatitis, this formula

also includes slippery elm, chamomile,marshmellow,borage, geinger paud'arco,

blessed thistle and peppermint. Does this sound good to you master herblists?

Also should I be taking herbs that stimulate bile? Is this a good idea for

pancreatitis? How about bitter herbs? What do you think? Thank you very much!

Debra.  Mardi2gras@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Paud'Arco

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 16:49:08 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-17 23:20:15 EDT, you(  Debra.  Mardi2gras@aol.com)

wrote:



<< I have it (pau d'Arco) in a stomach formula recommended by a herblist for

my pancreatitis, this formula  also includes slippery elm,

chamomile,marshmellow,borage, geinger paud'arco, blessed thistle and

peppermint. Does this sound good to you master herblists?



 Sorry for the delay in response to this one -  I saved it and am now just

getting back to responses to those that would take a little time - This is

one of those -



Blessed thistle increases the secretion of bile,  Borage is a tonic and

regenerator for the adrenals - Chamomile in this case - I assume would be

anti-inflammatory not a carminative, Pau d'Arco is an effective blood

cleanser and immune enhancer - and has been used in the treatment of certain

cancers and colitis  and ulcers,  Ginger is , again I assume in this case,

 used as a carrier (vaso dilator),  marshmallow is used for digestive

disorders, enteritis and colitis, as is peppermint -  Quite frankly - I would

go back in to the "herbalist" and ask for the specific reasons he/she advised

this combination of herbs and how and what each is supposed to do for you and

your specific condition.  Then get back to me - off list- to let me know what

he said - I would be interested to hear the detailed explanation.!!

The only one here I can really suport strongly is the blessed thistle because

of its effect on the production on bile - there are others, however that I

feel should also be considered - dandelion with the blessed thistle would

stimulate the production of bile and aid in the elimination of toxins that

are flushed out in the process -  Goldenseal and Cedar berry would also be

good to stimulate and strengthen the pancreas.  In addition to these herbs -

I would add chromium picolinate because of its effect on regulating the blood

sugar levels and the relationship between blood sugar and the pancreas and

insulin production that in turn regulates blood sugar - Fringe tree bark is

also a tonic that is used to treat gall stones - often when pancreatitis is

diagnosed, there is a relationship to gall stones and the problems come from

a back up of secretions from the pancreas and gall bladder.

I would also suggest supplementation with a calcium/magnesium supplement - a

ton of vitamine C and some Co Q-10  -  for diet I would - till the problem

dies down and you can see what it is that triggers an attack, cut way back on

processed sugars and fats of any sort processed foods twinkies and -  Alcohol

is a NO NO as well!



 >Also should I be taking herbs that stimulate bile? Is this a good idea for

 >pancreatitis? How about bitter herbs? What do you think? Thank you very

much!<



Bile stimulation is essential to the proper function fo the pancreas - the

pancreas and the gall bladder (where bile is produced) share a common duct -

called the pancreatic duct -



Hope that this helps a little bit - and doesn't create to much confusion -



  >>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Paud'Arco

From: "Mitra, Mancha & Mo" <coolmot@FLINET.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:16:33 +0000

--------

Peter,

        I am confused by your statement that bile stimulation is essential to

the proper function of the pancreas. Are you sure bile is produced by

the gall bladder, or is it produced by the liver and stored in the gall

bladder? And does the pancreas and gall bladder share the pancreatic

duct, or do they,and the liver, share the common bile duct.

        I'm missing the connection you suggest from the exocrine secretion of

bile with the endocrine function of insulin.

        Could you clear this up for me?..........Mo..........





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW fresh plant?

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 23:28:56 -0400

--------

Sorry to tell you this, but the SJW is past the flowering stage and is now

preparing seeds.  what is left is not as good as the flowers by a long

stretch. My suggestion is to either buy some good organic or NCO wildcrafted

dried flower and herb for this season and to find a source of seeds lcoally

that you can go sew for next year - I would be hard pressed to believe that

it does not grow in Ohio - you just need to find out where/

peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal/Naturopathic help required in IA.

From: eLiNoR <alandel@NETSKI.NET.AU>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 15:56:10 +1000

--------

I am writing on behalf of a very dear friend of mine who is dying of cancer

of the lungs and liver.  She is only 38 years old and has had extensive

chemotherapy and there is nothing more the doctors can do for her, except

pump her full of drugs to counteract the effects of drugs which counteract

the effect of other drugs, and they cycle goes on.  She is in constant pain

and agony and wishes to seek some sort of herbal or alternative treatment

to the current orthodox treatment she is receiving now.



Could somebody please, please, please give me the name of any therapists I

could refer her to, or perhaps an association or organisation that may help

me in finding somebody with enough experience to be able to help her.  I

have seen many people recover from both these cancers using alternative

therapies, and I believe she has the potential to recover.  If alternative

therapies are unable to help her to achieve this, then I'm hoping that

they'll be at least able to minimise her suffering.



I would really appreciate hearing directly from anybody who could provide

me with a lead on where she could go for some help.



Herbally yours,



Elinor

alandel@netski.net.au





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal/Naturopathic help required in IA.

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 14:42:19 -0700

--------

>I am writing on behalf of a very dear friend of mine who is dying of cancer

>of the lungs and liver.  She is only 38 years old and has had extensive

>chemotherapy and there is nothing more the doctors can do for her, except

>pump her full of drugs to counteract the effects of drugs which counteract

>the effect of other drugs, and they cycle goes on.  She is in constant pain

>and agony and wishes to seek some sort of herbal or alternative treatment

>to the current orthodox treatment she is receiving now.

(snip)

>Herbally yours,

>

>Elinor

>alandel@netski.net.au



I'm very sorry for your friend.  My mother died of cancer a few years ago -

breast, that spread to her lungs (that was what killed her) and bones.  (I

didn't know then what I know now, but I don't know if my Mom would have

followed my advise, even if I had known.)  In your friend's case, IF the

cancer has gone too far, and too much damage has been done by cancer and

chemo, there may not be a hope of healing, even with the best herbs.

HOWEVER, my mentor, Dr. Christopher always said that even if there isn't a

return to health thru herbs, at the very least there can be enough healing

to relieve the pain and give back a degree of dignity before death.  He had

many patients who were eaten up with cancer and sent home to die, in

terrible pain, and the family members would come to him and ask him if

there was anything he could do (as a LAST resort - too bad, too, because

there could have been a healing if they hadn't waited so long).  Anyway, he

would tell them the reality, but would always say, "the herbs can't hurt".

So, the family would follow the regimen that Dr. Christopher would give

them, and within a short time the pain would be gone to the point that the

person with cancer would be able get up out of bed and start to act a

little more normal, again.  This would go on for a few weeks to a few

months, and then the person would die quietly in their sleep, without pain.

This happened over and over again.



There is a wonderful book out by a cancer survivor (she went the allopathic

route the first time, and when she got it again and doctors told her there

was nothing more they could do, she went the natural route).  The book is

called, "A Cancer Battle Plan" by Anne E. Frahm.  Here is a number where

you can order it from here in the States - 1-800-372-8255.  This is the

School of Natural Healing AND Christopher Publications.  I think the book

costs about $12 or $14.  They also have a little book called "The

Incurables".  It costs about $2.  This is Dr. Christopher's basic regimen

for any "incurable" diseases.  He always said that there were no incurable

diseases, only incurable patients (esp. if they didn't follow his

recommendations).  This is the routine that I would follow if it were me.

With the history of breast cancer in my family (my Mom, all her sisters,

her mom, and her grandmother), it could be me, but I am taking preventative

measures with herbs and diet.



I hope this is of some use to you.  Bless you for trying to help your friend!



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal/Naturopathic help required in IA.

From: Rafael Melendez <graftonnd@ECLIPSE.NET>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:49:27 -0700

--------

eLiNoR wrote:



> I am writing on behalf of a very dear friend of mine who is dying of cancer

> of the lungs and liver.  She is only 38 years old and has had extensive

> chemotherapy and there is nothing more the doctors can do for her, except

> pump her full of drugs to counteract the effects of drugs which counteract

> the effect of other drugs, and they cycle goes on.  She is in constant pain

> and agony and wishes to seek some sort of herbal or alternative treatment

> to the current orthodox treatment she is receiving now.

>

> Could somebody please, please, please give me the name of any therapists I

> could refer her to, or perhaps an association or organisation that may help

> me in finding somebody with enough experience to be able to help her.  I

> have seen many people recover from both these cancers using alternative

> therapies, and I believe she has the potential to recover.  If alternative

> therapies are unable to help her to achieve this, then I'm hoping that

> they'll be at least able to minimise her suffering.

>

> I would really appreciate hearing directly from anybody who could provide

> me with a lead on where she could go for some help.

>

> Herbally yours,

>

> Elinor

> alandel@netski.net.au



  Call The Herbalist and Alchemist in New Jersey (1-800-611-8235) and speak

with the founder.

Also pick up the latest issue of the Protocol Journal of Botanical Medicine,

available thru the

American Herbalist Guild. There is an extensive amount of information on cancer

protocols written

by members of the Guild. Also, call Erik Von Kiel, D.O. in Alentown, Pa. Don't

know the number off

hand. In the meantime, you must get started with a 21 day juice fast (only

vegetable juices of burdock,

red clover, garlic, nettles, Bloodroot(small amount). Good luck to you.



grafton





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fruit (was Re: SJW-Weight?)

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 08:01:50 -0700

--------

>Anita Hales wrote:

> The is NO one diet good for everybody.  Some

>> basic guidelines maybe but fruit, which is commonly tagged as a diet food

>> is very concentrated and full of sugars and has cold and damp energetics.

>> Know your client.

>

>Paul I.  used to say that fruit in general was not good for us....the

>dampness, etc...

>

>Does anyone else here subscribe to this view on fruit?

>

>john amphlett



Paul and I disagreed about this.  I believe that everything depends on the

person, their system and level of health.  Depend on what is wrong, fruit

can be exactly what they need, and it can be the last thing they need.  I

don't think you can say that it is all one way or the other.  The main

thing about fruit, is that it is best for mornings (as has already been

said) - and it needs to be thoroughly chewed so that saliva mixes with it -

otherwise, there will be incomplete digestion and a higher probability of

fermentation and problems.  Never eat raw fruit (except for pineapple) with

anything else.  Personally, I eat alot of fruit, because I need what is in

it - vitamins, minerals, amino acids, enzymes, etc.



stubborn, fruit-eating Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruit (was Re: SJW-Weight?)

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 13:21:14 -0700

--------

Hi all,



I read this book by Dr. Debra Waterhouse.  She is an expert on women's weight

loss issue.  And she brought up a very interesting point.  Alot of our eating is

emotionally based.  Some of us tend to eat according to how we feel.  She

stressed the need to LISTEN to your body.  Your body knows what it wants over

what our emotions THINKS it wants.  Fruit?  It is good when the body says it

needs it.



Paula



On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET> wrote:

>>Anita Hales wrote:

>> The is NO one diet good for everybody.  Some

>>> basic guidelines maybe but fruit, which is commonly tagged as a diet food

>>> is very concentrated and full of sugars and has cold and damp energetics.

>>> Know your client.

>>

>>Paul I.  used to say that fruit in general was not good for us....the

>>dampness, etc...

>>

>>Does anyone else here subscribe to this view on fruit?

>>

>>john amphlett

>

>Paul and I disagreed about this.  I believe that everything depends on the

>person, their system and level of health.  Depend on what is wrong, fruit

>can be exactly what they need, and it can be the last thing they need.  I

>don't think you can say that it is all one way or the other.  The main

>thing about fruit, is that it is best for mornings (as has already been

>said) - and it needs to be thoroughly chewed so that saliva mixes with it -

>otherwise, there will be incomplete digestion and a higher probability of

>fermentation and problems.  Never eat raw fruit (except for pineapple) with

>anything else.  Personally, I eat alot of fruit, because I need what is in

>it - vitamins, minerals, amino acids, enzymes, etc.

>

>stubborn, fruit-eating Rusty

>

>*************************************************************************

>

>Bob & Rusty Taylor                 "You come far, pilgrim!"

>Poulsbo, WA                        "Feels like far."

>rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)      "Were it worth the trouble?"

>

>Non-commercial webpages:           "Heh?  What trouble?"

>www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor           (from the movie "Jeremiah Johnson")

>

>*************************************************************************

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruit (was Re: SJW-Weight?)

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:37:10 -0800

--------

At 01:21 PM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>I read this book by Dr. Debra Waterhouse.  She is an expert on women's weight

>loss issue.  And she brought up a very interesting point.  Alot of our

eating is

>emotionally based.  Some of us tend to eat according to how we feel.  She

>stressed the need to LISTEN to your body.  Your body knows what it wants over

>what our emotions THINKS it wants.  Fruit?  It is good when the body says it

>needs it.

>

>Paula

>

I believe this is faulty reasoning.  NOBODY needs a whole box of chocolates

and yet there are some who crave it.  Better to understand the reasons

BEHIND the cravings than to give in to a little lie your body may tell.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruit (was Re: SJW-Weight?)

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:52:35 -0800

--------

At 06:59 AM 9/19/97 -0700, Paula Warner wrote:

>On Thu, 18 Sep 1997, Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET> wrote:

>>At 01:21 PM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:

>>>Hi all,

>>>

>>>I read this book by Dr. Debra Waterhouse.  She is an expert on women's

weight

>>>loss issue.

>>>

>>>Paula

>>>

>Anita,

>

>I don't know where you got your info, but no she doesn't promote eating whole

>boxes of chocolates.  That is our reasoning, those of us who crave it.  It

only

>takes a very small portion to satisfy a biological craving.  :o)

>

>Paula

>

>>I believe this is faulty reasoning.  NOBODY needs a whole box of chocolates

>>and yet there are some who crave it.  Better to understand the reasons

>>BEHIND the cravings than to give in to a little lie your body may tell.

>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>>

>

>

You missed my point.  The point is that the body often does NOT know what

it needs and OFTEN leads us in wrong directions.  I used to subscribe to

this notion.  I no longer do from years of observation and the raising of

my children.  Sometimes it may be true but you can't rely on some of your

body's "cravings"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruit (was Re: SJW-Weight?)

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:18:52 -0800

--------

At 08:01 AM 9/18/97 -0700, you wrote:

>>Anita Hales wrote:

>> The is NO one diet good for everybody.  Some

>>> basic guidelines maybe but fruit, which is commonly tagged as a diet food

>>> is very concentrated and full of sugars and has cold and damp energetics.

>>> Know your client.

>>

>>Paul I.  used to say that fruit in general was not good for us....the

>>dampness, etc...

>>

>>Does anyone else here subscribe to this view on fruit?

>>

>>john amphlett

>

>Paul and I disagreed about this.  I believe that everything depends on the

>person, their system and level of health.  Depend on what is wrong, fruit

>can be exactly what they need, and it can be the last thing they need.  I

>don't think you can say that it is all one way or the other.  The main

>thing about fruit, is that it is best for mornings (as has already been

>said) - and it needs to be thoroughly chewed so that saliva mixes with it -

>otherwise, there will be incomplete digestion and a higher probability of

>fermentation and problems.  Never eat raw fruit (except for pineapple) with

>anything else.  Personally, I eat alot of fruit, because I need what is in

>it - vitamins, minerals, amino acids, enzymes, etc.

>

>stubborn, fruit-eating Rusty

>

>*************************************************************************

>

>Bob & Rusty Taylor                 "You come far, pilgrim!"

>Poulsbo, WA                        "Feels like far."

>rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)      "Were it worth the trouble?"

>

>Non-commercial webpages:           "Heh?  What trouble?"

>www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor           (from the movie "Jeremiah Johnson")

>

>*************************************************************************

>

>

I'm glad you enjoy fruit so much.  As for me, I'm one of those you'd have

to scrape up off the floor if I ate fruit alone.  Just too too much sugar.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ayurveda

From: Osvaldo Suarez <osf@ECUA.NET.EC>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 11:13:56 -0500

--------

Herb List



I am interested in ayurvedic medicine.

Does any Herb List's  member  know  any active  mailing list ?

TIA





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: was:8mths preg. & can't sleep Now: Electrical Stress

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 14:51:40 -0400

--------

> Here is a simple, free, non-herbal possibility... she can try taking off

> her shoes and socks, and walking on the grass, dirt, sand, whatever... as

> long as she is in contact with the earth.  Do this for 10 minutes a day -

> it can be done any time of day, but in the evening seems to help sleep the

> most.  We are electrical beings, and sometimes we need to "ground"

> ourselves.  I have sometimes found it very restful to do this during

> periods of high stress.



You can also go outside and hold onto the bushes or "hug a tree" for

20 minutes or so. I always wondered if the term "tree hugger" came

from this. Maybe you should do it in your BACK yard!

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Paud'arco

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:16:00 -0400

--------

Would someone one be good enough to tell me what this herb does? I have it in

stomach formula recommended by a herblist for my pancreatitis, this formula

in a aloe base -double  strength,

also includes slippery elm, chamomile,marshmellow,borage, ginger, paud'arco,

blessed thistle and peppermint. Does this sound good to you master herblists?

Also should I be taking herbs that stimulate bile? Is this a good idea for

pancreatitis? How about bitter herbs? What do you think? Thank you very much!

Debra.  Mardi2gras@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Paud'arco

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:52:31 -0700

--------

At 12:16 AM 9/19/97 -0400, MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

 wrote:

>Would someone one be good enough to tell me what this herb does? I have it in

>stomach formula recommended by a herblist for my pancreatitis, this formula

>in a aloe base -double  strength,

>also includes slippery elm, chamomile,marshmellow,borage, ginger, paud'arco,

>blessed thistle and peppermint. Does this sound good to you master herblists?

>Also should I be taking herbs that stimulate bile? Is this a good idea for

>pancreatitis? How about bitter herbs? What do you think? Thank you very much!

>Debra.  Mardi2gras@aol.com



I'm certainly not a master herbalist, but I can offer some information....



Pau d' Arco is obtained from the tender inner bark of (correct botanical

name) Tabebuia impetiginosa (Mart.)Standl. , known as lapacho colorado or

perhaps lapacho morado, used to treat cancer as well as ulcers, diabetes

and rheumatism.  Proponents also claim it is a powerful tonic and blood

builder, effective against rheumatism, cystitis, prostatitis, bronchitis,

gastritis, ulcers, liver ailments, asthma, gonorrhea, ringworm and even

hernias (A. de Montmorency and B. Wead: Second Opinion, Rostrum Comm. 1985,

196 pgs.).



There is a great deal of complication surounding the matter of origin,  and

some of the Pau d' Arco marketed in the U.S. does not even derive from the

Tabebuia species at all, even though they are labeled as lapacho colorado

or lapacho morado.  Instead, they are stated to represent the bark of

Tecoma curialis Solhanha da Gama, another closely related member of the

same plant family.  Probably the most outstanding authority on this group

of plants, Dr. A. H. Gentry, speculates that probably all of the bark in

question is being obtainedd from some lowland Tabebuia species (A. H.

Gentry: Journal of Natural Products 1983)



There is the potential for toxicity to occur in the use of Pau d Arco and

undersirable side effects have required that the usage be terminated in

some cases.  Side effects include moderate to severe nausea, vomiting,

anemia and a tendency to bleed.



Animal and other laboratory studies have demonstrated that lapachol poses

antibiotic, antimalarial and antischistosomal properties, but scientific

studies have not been done in humans because of the problem of toxicity.



Hope this helps.



Be well,





>

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Aromatherapy & Herbal Products, Supplies, Private Label

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Paud'arco

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 07:22:36 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-20 22:56:42 EDT, you, Martha Elston,

samara@WINGEDSEED.COM, write:



(snipped)

<< There is a great deal of complication surounding the matter of origin,

 and

 some of the Pau d' Arco marketed in the U.S. does not even derive from the

 Tabebuia species at all, even though they are labeled as lapacho colorado

 or lapacho morado.  Instead, they are stated to represent the bark of

 Tecoma curialis Solhanha da Gama, another closely related member of the

 same plant family.  Probably the most outstanding authority on this group

 of plants, Dr. A. H. Gentry, speculates that probably all of the bark in

 question is being obtainedd from some lowland Tabebuia species (A. H.

 Gentry: Journal of Natural Products 1983) >>



Nature's Resource has Tabebuia impetiginosa on the bottle, Brizilian Pau

d'arco inner bark. 460mg. capsules. (No commercial interest.)



I would be interested in what others on the list find on their bottles of Pau

d'arco.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Paud'arco

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 21:58:15 -0400

--------

When you say toxicty, just what does that mean? I do take an ounce of this

formula daily with alittle water. I would also appreciate if you or someone

could tell me should I be taking herbs or bitters that stimulate bile. In

chronic pancreatits I think you produce too much bile. Anyways thanks so much

for your response.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Arbutus Unedo /Strauberry tree /Manzanita

From: Amil Osodrac <selo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 00:46:40 EDT

--------

....It's habitat is listed as rocky woodlands in Europe and North

America.



Thanks to everyone . Now the next question.



How far north (in North America) does it thrive (resist the cold)?



                        TIA        Joco





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==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: more fruit....

From: Don Wayne <Mirepoix@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 02:23:10 -0400

--------

>stubborn, fruit-eating Rusty

>'m glad you enjoy fruit so much.  As for me, I'm one of those you'd have

to scrape up off the floor if I ate fruit alone.  Just too too much sugar.



I don't know if I could survive without fruit.  I LOVE it.  It is the one

thing that I eat, every day.  One banana, one apple, one orange and anything

else that floats by.  Summer is over and I am bummed, the berries are going,

going, gone.

If someone has information with referances on how "bad" fruit is for you I

would be interested.



Thanks,

Doug

Mirepoix@aol.com



<and me too's don't bother me :)>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: more fruit....

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:43:17 -0800

--------

At 02:23 AM 9/19/97 -0400, Don Wayne wrote:

>>stubborn, fruit-eating Rusty

>>'m glad you enjoy fruit so much.  As for me, I'm one of those you'd have

>to scrape up off the floor if I ate fruit alone.  Just too too much sugar.

>

>I don't know if I could survive without fruit.  I LOVE it.  It is the one

>thing that I eat, every day.  One banana, one apple, one orange and anything

>else that floats by.  Summer is over and I am bummed, the berries are going,

>going, gone.

>If someone has information with referances on how "bad" fruit is for you I

>would be interested.

>

>Thanks,

>Doug

>Mirepoix@aol.com

>

><and me too's don't bother me :)>

>

>

It's not that fruit is inherently "bad".  But it can exacerbate some

problems.  Fruit in general has the energetics of being cold damp and

sweet.  In many cases this would be contraindicated for a healing regimen.

However, in some cases fruit would be indicated for healing. It is

important to remember that in all cases involving food----more is not

necessarily better and moderation in ALL things including fruit. A good

book that clearly explains the energetics of "food" such as fruit is Arisal

of the Clear by Bob Flaws.  An inexpensive book but sums up alot of

information well.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Stevia/Tooth Decay

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:51:29 -0400

--------

Does Stevia cause tooth decay?



Wendy

--

NormNDy Farm





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stevia/Tooth Decay

From: CoraLynn McKelvy <coralynnmckelvy@USA.NET>

Date: Wed, 17 Sep 1997 14:07:30 -0700

--------

NormNDy Farm wrote:

>

> Does Stevia cause tooth decay?

>

> Wendy

> --

> NormNDy Farm



According to _Stevia Rebaudiana  Nature's Sweet Secret_ by David Richard

pp.50-51...

Q)Will Stevia harm my teeth?

A)Apparently not. Two tests conducted by Purdue University's Dental

Sciene Research Group have concluded that Stevioside is both fluoride

campatible and "significantly" inhibits the development of plaquel, thus

Stevia may actually help to prevent cavities.



p.51

Q)Can I make my own Stevia Extract?

A)Yes. A liquid extract can be made from the whole Stevia leaves or from

the green herbal Stevia powder. Simply combine a measured portion of

Stevia leaves or herbal powder with pure USP grain alcohol (Brandy or

Scotch will also do) and let the mixture sit for 24 hours. Filter the

liquid from the leaves or powder residue and dilute to taste using pure

water. Note that the alcohol content can be reduced by very slowly

heating (not boiling) the extract and allowing the alsohol to evaporate

off. A pure water extract can be similarly prepared, but will not extract

quite as much of the sweet glycosides as will the alcohol. Either liquid

extract can be cooked down and concentrated into a syrup.



CoraLynn





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stevia/Tooth Decay

From: The Doctor {Who?} <doctor@NETCOM.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:45:31 -0700

--------

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, NormNDy Farm wrote:



> Does Stevia cause tooth decay?



No, and actually sugar DOES NOT either...



However, bacteria LOVE sugar, and it's their multiplcation that causes the

problems.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stevia/Tooth Decay

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:50:17 -0800

--------

At 06:45 PM 9/19/97 -0700, The Doctor {Who?} wrote:

>On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, NormNDy Farm wrote:

>

>> Does Stevia cause tooth decay?

>

>No, and actually sugar DOES NOT either...

>

>However, bacteria LOVE sugar, and it's their multiplcation that causes the

>problems.

>

>

Last spring on the radio Paul Harvey said that eating your sugar with

Chocolate actually helps reduce tooth decay bacteria. ???

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver

From: Kathy Haag <KR1989@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:07:33 -0400

--------

Have you tried propolis?  My 1 year old son had ear infections one after the

other until antibiotics wouldn't help anymore.  The doctor wanted to get

tubes put in.  I finally did some research and found Propolis is

anti-bacterial.  I used the garlic oil to ease the pain (which it did great)

and I gave propolis twice a day in drops.  He hasn't had an ear infection

since, and It's been over a year.



Kathy Haag





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Colloidal Silver

From: Phyllis Price <Herbal@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:21:01 -0700

--------

Hi All,



 If this is a wrong subject please forgive me but I'm getting a little

desperate.  I thought some of you might be able to answer a question about

something that was recommended to me for a fungal infection in my St.

Poodles ears "Colloidal Silver 500ppm" ( he has chronic ear infections) I

have been to 4 vets since I adopted him and all that has happened is the

infections have gotten worse, he is really suffering and I would like to

avoid surgery if I can , I thought that maybe alternative medicine could

help him where conventional medicine couldn't. I have tried Garlic oil and

goldenseal and it really hasn't helped so if anyone knows of any other

remedies I would really appreciate the help. I would really like to find a

source of information on this Colloidal Silver stuff because it sounds

promising.   Thanks in advance for any help.



Love and Good Health

Phyllis





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:49:36 -0800

--------

At 09:21 AM 9/19/97 -0700, Phyllis Price wrote:

>Hi All,

>

> If this is a wrong subject please forgive me but I'm getting a little

>desperate.  I thought some of you might be able to answer a question about

>something that was recommended to me for a fungal infection in my St.

>Poodles ears "Colloidal Silver 500ppm" ( he has chronic ear infections) I

>have been to 4 vets since I adopted him and all that has happened is the

>infections have gotten worse, he is really suffering and I would like to

>avoid surgery if I can , I thought that maybe alternative medicine could

>help him where conventional medicine couldn't. I have tried Garlic oil and

>goldenseal and it really hasn't helped so if anyone knows of any other

>remedies I would really appreciate the help. I would really like to find a

>source of information on this Colloidal Silver stuff because it sounds

>promising.   Thanks in advance for any help.

>

>Love and Good Health

>Phyllis

>

>

I tried the colloidal silver with no success in a dog.  What did help was

weekly washing with Betadine wash.  Just squirt some betadine soap into the

ear and massage it into the ear canal then rinse with clean warm water.  No

more problems.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver

From: Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 22:25:07 -0400

--------

bbrom wrote:

fungal infection in my St. Poodles ears



I add>



Poodles, as with Cockers and other "lopeared" dogs, are prone to such

infections.  It is a constant battle.  The infection can be fungal, ear

mite, or yeast infection.  If not controlled, it can drain into the

throat and stomach, causing other infectious problems.  All this we have

experienced with our Cockers.



I alternate the following treatments to keep the ears clean and avoid

infections:

1) A mixture of Vit E, Olive oil, Garlic oil, and Rosemary oil

2) Anything similar to the vinegar & water which was suggested

   I use the vinegar with echinacea tincture



I alternate these everyday until the infection is gone, or until the

dark discharge is gone.  I apply the mixtures with a 2oz. squirt bottle,

almost filling the ear canal.  Then massage the remedy into the ear for

about 2 minutes.  Let the dog shake the excess out and wipe outer ear

clean.  It takes a lot of dedication and persistance!  But, we love our

dogs and do our best.  Usually, we can reduce the treatment to twice a

day in normal conditions.  Summer time requires closer attention.



By the way, some of this and much more is in "The Natural Remedy Book

for Dogs & Cats" by Diane Stein, 1994.  (No commercial interest)



Good luck,

Carter

coleb@ncweb.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver

From: "^oo^" <gaijin@DIM.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:50:04 -0600

--------

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, bbrom wrote:

> > If this is a wrong subject please forgive me but I'm getting a little

> > desperate.  I thought some of you might be able to answer a question about

> > something that was recommended to me for a fungal infection in my St.

> > Poodles ears

> I used to have a dog with the same problem, my vet had some concoction

> he would make up and put in his ears.  I would be glad to call him if

> you want me to.  I dont use him anymore, but am sure he would tell me.

   When i was in the Army, working as a vet tch. we used to recommend 1

part vinegar and 5 parts water, used to work great for hunting dogs too,

often times, its necessary to do a resection of the ear to allow air and

light to enter the canal, and allow natural drainage.



retired 91T, USA

                                     TiM

                              "No Quid Pro Quo"

                        (303) 790-5296  {vOiCe mail}

                        (303) 477-2768 (9am-9pm MsT)

                    SFC/E7, US Army, 1968-1989, Retired.

           820 S. Monaco Pkwy, # 208,  Denver, Colorado 80224-1569

                       look for me @  www.as.org    IYQ

If liberty means anything at all, it means the right to tell people what

they do not want to hear.                             (by George Orwell)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Propolis & Chyavanprash (was Re: Colloidal Silver)

From: Christina <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:17:00 -0500

--------

I have a nine year old that had chronic ear infections - what worked for us

was a combination of both propolis (Royal jelly) and Chyavanprash - which

is an herb tonic used in Ayurvedic medicine in India.  This is made with

gooseberries, and other assorted herbs along with honey and silver foil

(same principle as the colliadal silver)



To the earlier question in regard to use of colliadal silver in a dog. It

may help the dog as well. My labrador absolutely adores the stuff

(Chyavanprash)!  I give him about a teaspoonful a week and he has no

problems and is quite healthy.



Em hotep! (In peace!)



Christina Paul

sekhmet@netins.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pau D'Arco Lotion - was Hives

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:13:00 -0700

--------

Hi Lory



>> Pau D'Arco lotion.



> First time I've heard of it being used like this - how do you make it,

> please?  Lory



Wish I could say I made it, but I take the busy homemaker/work-

at-home Mom's way out, and get it already prepared :-)



claudia

--

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / Home Page

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

How Herbs Found Us





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver and pet's ears

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:28:55 -0400

--------

I don't know about colloidal silver, but underdosing for too short a

period with the garlic and goldenseal may be the culprit.  I would make

sure that the garlic oil is quite strong.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 09:21:01 -0700 Phyllis Price

<Herbal@WORLDNET.ATT.NET> writes:

>Hi All,

>

> If this is a wrong subject please forgive me but I'm getting a little

>desperate.  I thought some of you might be able to answer a question

>about

>something that was recommended to me for a fungal infection in my St.

>Poodles ears "Colloidal Silver 500ppm" ( he has chronic ear

>infections) I

>have been to 4 vets since I adopted him and all that has happened is

>the

>infections have gotten worse, he is really suffering and I would like

>to

>avoid surgery if I can , I thought that maybe alternative medicine

>could

>help him where conventional medicine couldn't. I have tried Garlic oil

>and

>goldenseal and it really hasn't helped so if anyone knows of any other

>remedies I would really appreciate the help. I would really like to

>find a

>source of information on this Colloidal Silver stuff because it sounds

>promising.   Thanks in advance for any help.

>

>Love and Good Health

>Phyllis

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pau d'Arco

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 10:33:18 -0700

--------

Hi!



This is a wonderful herb, one of the first I ever used about 12

years ago, and I still always have it around.  It is from the

inner bark of the Red LaPacho tree in Andes of

south america - perhaps other

places as well.  It has antibiotic, antifungal

AND antiviral properties.  It is also called Taheebo, or LaPacho.

If it is in a stomach remedy, perhaps it is because it may be

helpful if there are H pylori (sp?) bacteria present, what

many believe is a cause of some ulcers.



According to one book I have, the active for the antibacterial

with antiviral properties is "Xyloidin", and "Lapachol" is noted

for it's anti-tumor activity.



Hope this helps a bit.



claudia :-)

--

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / Home Page

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome/healingherbs.html

How Herbs Found Us





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pau d'Arco

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:14:32 -0700

--------

Hi, Henrietta



>Nature's Resource has Tabebuia impetiginosa on the bottle,

>Brizilian Paud'arco inner bark. 460mg. capsules. (No commercial

>interest.)

>I would be interested in what others on the list find on

>their bottles of Pau d'arco.



Mine says Tabebuia heptaphylla - 500 mg. ea capsule (Brazilian

Taheebo Bark)  What is the difference between this and yours?



BTW, I am "nomail" until the 3rd of Oct., will be leaving for a

trip to Hawaii, then Colorado on return trip.  Please send

cc. to me if you post reply to the list.  THANKS!



Take care,

claudia :-)

--

"A cheerful heart is good medicine" Prov. 17:22

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / 973-697-8152

Meet the Family/Newsletter/450+ herbals/Samples





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chocolate cravings

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 13:36:51 -0400

--------

Sometimes when we crave something we can substitute another food within

the same 5-elements food group (that is, something with similar

energetics.)  For bittersweet chocolate, I find radicchio satisfies my

cravings.  Carob has a totally different pattern than chocolate (and

decaf has a different pattern from coffee) so does not substitute well.

Annemarie Corbin's book Food and Healing discusses cravings and several

different ways of dietary understanding including 5 elements.



OTOH sometimes a small amount of the craved substance is good.  (She

describes her vegetarian husband wanting a "homeopathic" bit of steak

when a large steak would have made him feel sick.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 19 Sep 1997 06:59:33 -0700 Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

writes:

>I don't know where you got your info, but no she doesn't promote

>eating whole boxes of chocolates.  That is our reasoning, those of us

who crave it.

> It only takes a very small portion to satisfy a biological craving.  :





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chocolate cravings

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:24:34 -0700

--------

On Fri, 19 Sep 1997, Cole <coleb@NCWEB.COM> wrote:

>Karen Vaughan wrote:

>>

>> Sometimes when we crave something we can substitute another food within

>> the same 5-elements food group (that is, something with similar

>> energetics.)  For bittersweet chocolate, I find radicchio satisfies my

>> cravings.  Carob has a totally different pattern than chocolate (and

>> decaf has a different pattern from coffee) so does not substitute well.

>>

>> Karen Vaughan

>> CreationsGarden@juno.com

>>

Yes, what is radicchio?  Is it the same element that chocolate has which usually

is satisfied when eating chocolate during a biological craving?



Paula





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chocolate cravings

From: Paula Spiegel <HERBLY@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:07:24 -0400

--------

I have or us to have low blood sugar problems (i.e. dizzy spells etc.) One of

the side effects was this huge craving for chocolate.  Of course, I wasn`t

supposed to indulge myself.  Though extensive research I found out

nutritional deficiencies can cause illness, disorders and cravings.  Rather

then trying to cure myself, I started a supplementing with colloidal minerals

and fruit and veg. caps.  Guess what cravings are gone and so is my low blood

sugar problem..  Good nutrition is the answer to alot of health issues..

Good Luck,

Paula Spiegel





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chocolate cravings

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:40:46 -0400

--------

It is packaged as a small red head of bitter lettuce, found in the

gourmet salad section of your grocery store.  Chocolate and radicchio are

both "fire" foods.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





>Some of us Chocoholics don't want to be healed!

>I may try the radicchio though.  How is it packaged for consumption?

>

>Yes, what is radicchio?  Is it the same element that chocolate has which

usually

>is satisfied when eating chocolate during a biological craving?



Paula





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs: the bottle vs. nature - the other side

From: Jim Kami <jakami@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 11:45:52 -0700

--------

        Recently there has been some comments regarding "standardized"

products. I'd like to make some comments in support of standardized

commercial products.

First I'd like to point out a few facts;

Point 1). Herbs are NOT "simple" medicines:  As essentially crude plant

products they contain literally thousands of compounds (as do all living

cells) most are benign (cellulose, fats, sugars etc.),and some are

beneficial, (vitamins, proteins, minerals). But there are also some

potentially dangerous compounds as well, (caffeine, strychnine, atropine,

belladonna, etc.) and some compounds that are completely unknown. The

interaction of all these compounds in a human system is unbelievably

complex. One of the reasons MDs' prefer pharmacuticals over herbs is

because, being single, highly purfied, highly tested compounds, biological

responses are more predictable and controllable.

Point 2). "Natural" does not mean safe or beneficial:  Deadly nightshade,

opium, strychnine, ricin, pyrethrins, curare are all "natural" compounds.

The ancient herbal literature is filled with as many ways to kill as to

cure. Often there is a fine line between what can help and what can harm.

While many herbs medicines can relieve suffering, this is not childs play.

The ongoing discussion of St Johns Wort on this group is a perfect example.

While this herb has many potential benefits, it requires considerable care

in it's administration to realize it's full potential and avoid doing harm.

Point 3).  Regretfully, there are a hell of a lot of crooks and quacks out

there just waiting to pray on peoples trust and ignorance. There are also a

lot of just plain uninformed sales folks. The minimum wage teenager behind

the counter at the local GNC can't be expected to know which brand is

reputable and which is a scam.

        Like myself, I believe there are many people out there who don't

have the time, skill, space or climate to grow their own herbs. I work 10

-12 hours a day, 6 -7 days a week. I love what I do (I'm a research

biologist) but I don't want to wait 7 years for my ginseng to grow. And as

much as I like fresh eggs, vegetables that are still growing and fish that's

still fighting, there are limits to everything. I also don't want to titrate

or experiment with every new batch that comes along to find the right dosage

then have to do it all over again with the next batch. Some form of

standardization needs to exist so that, as consumers, we at least know what

we are getting into.



Sorry for the ranting and the length, but like Mr. Byram I have my passions too.





Jim Kami Ph.D

Blue Rose Biotech



"Sorry, but my Karma just ran over your Dogma"  Anonymous Bumper Sticker





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: glycerine ? /was tincture ? and preservation ?

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:00:53 -0400

--------

>A glycerite is a tincture made with 50% vegetable glycerine and 50% water

>instead of alcohol.



I bought a bottle of Glycerine U.S.P 99.5% at the pharmacist.  Is this

different then vegetable glycerine.  My bottle says "For external use only."



Is it because the amount ingested will be so small or is it the wrong stuff.

I use it for making bubbles for my granddaughter and for lip balm.  Is there

another type out there that I should be using?



Mary Lu

Sexylegs@2-hot.com

If you can not lose, then you can not win!



http://members.aol.com/Sexylegs4U/index.html

http://members.tripod.com/~Sexylegs/index.html

http://members.aol.com/LilKanga/Poohs.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Digesting hormones

From: Connie Williams <willys@LVDI.NET>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 15:05:55 -0700

--------

Perhaps I am wrong, but do they not put hormones into the feed of farm

animals? I know that some are injected, but, for instance, I had heard that

hormones are placed into chicken feed. Is this misinformation on my part?

Connie





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Digesting hormones

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:45:24 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-19 18:15:41 EDT, you write:



<< Perhaps I am wrong, but do they not put hormones into the feed of farm

 animals? I know that some are injected, but, for instance, I had heard that

 hormones are placed into chicken feed. Is this misinformation on my part?

 Connie >>



Quite true, and humans are often given hormones by mouth.  It all depends on

what hormones one is talking about.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: sore gums

From: Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:57:03 -0400

--------

Thanks for the hints. The clove worked (and, yes, it must have been old

because I didn't get ulcerated mouth). I am also rinsing w/salt & soda,

taking extra C, etc.... Since you are all so smart, what is best

*toothpaste*?



And, slightly off topic, what can I do for my kitty w/similar probs? (He

would not tolerate clove, but does get Vit C in his foods--I'm feeding

*natural*--i.e. raw).



Thanks, Friends,

kai  and kitties





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Carcenoid liver

From: Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 20:22:28 -0400

--------

My mom's friend has been given 3 months to live. Any hints to help her thru

this, apparent, last stage of life?



thanks,

kai





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Teas

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 17:51:29 -0700

--------

Hi all!



I love Earl Grey tea.  Does it have any medicinal benefits, i hope, i hope.

teehee



P.S.  I know the cafiene isn't good.



Paula





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Teas

From: Paula Spiegel <HERBLY@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 07:13:41 -0400

--------

Try Green tea with a little honey, It`s excellent and has many wonderful

benefits..  It`s a Antitoxicant and helps remove free radicals..  In good

health.

Sincerely,

Paula Spiegel





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Teas

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:49:17 -0800

--------

At 05:51 PM 9/19/97 -0700, Paula Warner wrote:

>Hi all!

>

>I love Earl Grey tea.  Does it have any medicinal benefits, i hope, i hope.

>teehee

>

>P.S.  I know the cafiene isn't good.

>

>Paula

>

>

It's pretty acidic but it's also quite astringent.  It's good for mildly

upset stomach and chronic kidney infection.

Sooooo, if you need extra acid and caffiene, it's not too bad.  I think

there's a whole section on "tea" in M. Grieves books which are found on the

internet.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Digesting hormones (technical)

From: Jim Kami <jakami@UCDAVIS.EDU>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 19:17:17 -0700

--------

        Sorry for the confusion, there are actually several broad types of

hormones. I was referring to both the steroids and peptide hormones in my

post that are often used to modify animal growth.

        The steroids are belong to the lipid class of molecules along with

fats, oils, waxes and other hydrophobic compounds (hydro=water

phobic=fearing). These are small chemicals that can be given orally or

injected. Examples are cholesterol, testosterone, estrogen, ginsengosides,

cortisol (or hydrocortisone) etc. These compounds will dissolve in fats but,

because of their extremely potent bioactivity, they don't bioaccumulate but

are broken down by the system. Their use in animal feeds is to accelerate

the normal growth pattern just as athletes use them (anabolic steroids) to

put on extra muscle. No, it's probably not kind to the animal, but I guess

neither is eating it, anyway eating the meat of that animal should pose no

threat.

        The other class of hormones are the peptide hormones. Peptide is a

loose biochemical designation for a very small protein. These include

insulin, Growth hormones (human, bovine or fish), ATCH, cortisol releasing

factor etc.. These peptides ARE digested and can not be given orally. These

compounds stay in the blood stream but are also broken down quite quickly by

the bodys native systems.

        I'd like to add that, as a biologist, I wish we didn't have to use

this method to increase production, but with 6 billion people to feed and

farming on the decline, reality demands we find ways to increase

productivity, fast. And before you say we should just all become

veterinarians I'd point out that plant agriculture is under the same

pressures of trying to produce more with less, hence herbicide resistant

genetically engineered crops. There are no simple, easy answers.

        Sorry for the confusion and the philosophy. Hopes this helps a little.





Jim Kami

Blue Rose Biotech





At 03:05 PM 9/19/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Perhaps I am wrong, but do they not put hormones into the feed of farm

>animals? I know that some are injected, but, for instance, I had heard that

>hormones are placed into chicken feed. Is this misinformation on my part?

>Connie

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: arthritis

From: Susan Perry <G_PERRY@VENUS.TWU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 12:01:16 -0600

--------

>From an old whiplash injury, I have developed arthritis in my neck. It used to

wake me up with severe headaches which would culminate in vomiting from the

pain. I was advised to get a big feather pillow and that really relieved the

problem for a few years. However, I am having an increasingly difficult time in

avoiding the night headaches. Staying off of my back used to do it for me. Now,

I apparently put pressure on my neck in a negative way even when I sleep on my

side.I've woken recently with the severe headaches and vomiting. Do I handle

this problem with the same remedies as other arthritis, using remedies such as

evening primrose oil.

I was told that I'd eventually need surgery. I would like to avoid this because

of the expense and trauma. If I could find other ways to deal with it, I'd be

very grateful. I have an excellent healthfood and herbal shop in the town in

which I live. I can get anything I need.

What would be my best course of therapy?

Sue





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:33:03 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-20 13:13:46 EDT, you write:



<<  Now,

 I apparently put pressure on my neck in a negative way even when I sleep on

my

 side.I've woken recently with the severe headaches and vomiting. Do I handle

 this problem with the same remedies as other arthritis, using remedies such

as

 evening primrose oil.

 I was told that I'd eventually need surgery. I would like to avoid this

because

 of the expense and trauma. If I could find other ways to deal with it, I'd

be

 very grateful. I have an excellent healthfood and herbal shop in the town in

 which I live. I can get anything I need.

 What would be my best course of therapy?

 Sue >>



This sounds like an ideal condition to be treated with accupuncture, since

the blockages have resulted in stagnation.  In the meantime, I would use

castor oil packs (leave on as long as possible), and use one of those dogbone

pillows that support the neck (they sell them at WalMart).  A massage

therapist could probably relieve a great deal of the trouble, but I would

recommend a practitioner of Chinese medicine who is skilled in accupuncture.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Susan Perry <G_PERRY@VENUS.TWU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 16:06:55 -0600

--------

> In a message dated 97-09-20 13:13:46 EDT, you write:



> This sounds like an ideal condition to be treated with accupuncture, since

> the blockages have resulted in stagnation.



What type of stagnation are you referring to?



  In the meantime, I would use

> castor oil packs (leave on as long as possible),



Thick warm cloths soaked in castor oil?





 and use one of those dogbone

> pillows that support the neck (they sell them at WalMart).



Used in place of my regular pillow?



  A massage

> therapist could probably relieve a great deal of the trouble, but I would

> recommend a practitioner of Chinese medicine who is skilled in accupuncture.



Thanks for the advice; I'll start looking for someone right away. My problems

are compounded by a condition of financial embarrasment. I am a PhD graduate

assistant. My pay is not a living wage. Luckily, I am provided with good health

ins., but, I don't suppose it covers alternative medicine. But, I'll look and,

somehow, something will work out here.



Thank you,

Sue





> Traiteusse@aol.com

> Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:59:58 -0400

--------

The stagnation is referred to in Chinese medicine as Qi (pronounced chee)

stagnation.  It refers to the flow of energy throughout the body.



Castor oil packs are a 100% white wool (preferred) or cotton cloth soaked

(but not dripping in castor oil and applied directly to the area.   Warmth

may or may not be applied.  Cover the cloth first with a piece of plastic

wrap, and then a towel or thick cloth, after which heat can be applied by

heating pad or hotwater bottle.  In your case, I have a feeling heat may not

be necessary.



If you can get a doctor to give you a referral, many alternative treatments

are insured that wouldn't be otherwise.  Some states and insurance companies

are now insuring alternative treatments, so be sure to check with your

insurance company.  Many practitioners will give a reduced rate if you do not

have insurance.  My regular MD only charges half if you don't have insurance

(bless him).



You condition would certainly benefit from the oriental approach.  It is a

shame that you have not received preventive treatments all along that would

have forstalled the development of the arthritis.  Diet can be of great

benefit.



A sports-medicine doctor such as those found at rehab hospitals  might be

able to do a great deal for you.



A curious fact I once read states that one can actually see on xrays the

constriction of the cervical vertebrae after the ingestion of caffeine.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Susan Perry <G_PERRY@VENUS.TWU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:29:57 -0600

--------

> Castor oil packs are a 100% white wool (preferred) or cotton cloth soaked

> (but not dripping in castor oil and applied directly to the area.   Warmth

> may or may not be applied.  Cover the cloth first with a piece of plastic

> wrap, and then a towel or thick cloth, after which heat can be applied by

> heating pad or hotwater bottle.  In your case, I have a feeling heat may not

> be necessary.



I'm starting with this today. Does the castor oil soften the arthritis?



> If you can get a doctor to give you a referral, many alternative treatments

> are insured that wouldn't be otherwise.  Some states and insurance companies

> are now insuring alternative treatments, so be sure to check with your

> insurance company.  Many practitioners will give a reduced rate if you do not

> have insurance.  My regular MD only charges half if you don't have insurance

> (bless him).



I'll see what I can do. I leave near Dallas and can find a good Chinese

healer, but my state-provided ins. doesn't cover alternative medicine.



> You condition would certainly benefit from the oriental approach.  It is a

> shame that you have not received preventive treatments all along that would

> have forstalled the development of the arthritis.  Diet can be of great

> benefit.



Actually, the condition was discovered by a chiropractor while I was still

living in Nebraska. He said that I should be feeling numbness in my arms. That

has never happened. He's the one who recommended a thick feather pillow.





> A sports-medicine doctor such as those found at rehab hospitals  might be

> able to do a great deal for you.



> A curious fact I once read states that one can actually see on xrays the

> constriction of the cervical vertebrae after the ingestion of caffeine.



I've been trying to avoid caffeine. It's difficult to do. I odn't drink coffe,

but other things have it as well. However, I'm not getting much of it in a

week.





Many thanks for your quick responses.

Sue

> Traiteusse@aol.com

> Henrietta Lala





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Roxanne Zeto-Brennan <Rox4synch@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:29:28 -0400

--------

>A curious fact I once read states that one can actually see on xrays the

>constriction of the cervical vertebrae after the ingestion of caffeine.



Hi Henrietta,

     By constriction do you mean the bones appeared smaller or less dense as

compared to a prior pre-caffeine xray?  I truely do find this a curious fact,

do you remember where you read this?

     I go to a chiropractor due to old whiplash injury which plays havic with

the cervical vertebrae from time to time (they rotate/pop outta place from

time to time now).  I'm also a heavy coffee drinker (expresso's,

cappachino's)....I know, don't scold me!  So....I'm wondering now if the

caffeine somehow adds/is synergistic to them vertebrae popping out!



     Love and light.........Roxanne



rox4synch@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:12:25 -0400

--------

>      I go to a chiropractor due to old whiplash injury which plays havic with

> the cervical vertebrae from time to time (they rotate/pop outta place from

> time to time now).  I'm also a heavy coffee drinker (expresso's,

> cappachino's)....I know, don't scold me!  So....I'm wondering now if the

> caffeine somehow adds/is synergistic to them vertebrae popping out!





I also have a back injury from a car wreck which causes the

vertebrae to move around, thus giving me an occasional asthma attack.

I don't drink anything with caffeine and they still move.

Tincture of Arnica Montana will remove the trauma in the spine from

the car wreck. Put it on the entire spine from top to tailbone.

I have just started using Dr. C's BF & C on my back

and in just a couple of days I notice my spine in staying aligned

better (so says my Chiro).

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:57:18 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-20 18:28:12 EDT, you write:



<< >A curious fact I once read states that one can actually see on xrays the

>constriction of the cervical vertebrae after the ingestion of caffeine.



 Hi Henrietta,

      By constriction do you mean the bones appeared smaller or less dense as

compared to a prior pre-caffeine xray?  I truely do find this a curious fact,

do you remember where you read this? >>



Not the bones themselves (sorry to mislead you), but the space between them.

I don't recall the study, but I'll bet your chiropractor is familiar with it.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:02:29 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-20 18:44:27 EDT, you (sue) write:



<< > Castor oil packs are a 100% white wool (preferred) or cotton cloth

soaked

 > (but not dripping in castor oil and applied directly to the area.   Warmth

 > may or may not be applied.  Cover the cloth first with a piece of plastic

 > wrap, and then a towel or thick cloth, after which heat can be applied by

 > heating pad or hotwater bottle.  In your case, I have a feeling heat may

not

 > be necessary.



 I'm starting with this today. Does the castor oil soften the arthritis? >>



This is an old Edgar Cayce remedy.  It breaks down congestion, removes

toxins, softens scar tissue, promotes healing, etc.  It is one of those

substances that have the ability to penetrate deeply into the body and

normalize the situation.  I have used it for so many situations and it has

never failed me.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Susan Perry <G_PERRY@VENUS.TWU.EDU>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:38:48 -0600

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I should get my Cayce material out. I have read many of the books about him.

I've visited the A.R.E. in Virginia Beach. Cayce is a person I'm quite familiar

with. His D.O., who worked with him on prescribed treatments, had the last name

of Puckett. My middle name is Puckett (my grandmother's maiden name, her family

moved to Missouri from Kentucky).I'm sure I'm related to the Dr. Puckett who

worked hand in in hand with Cayce. I know we are off topic a little.It's just

interesting for me to have an old reference brought up.

Sue







> In a message dated 97-09-20 18:44:27 EDT, you (sue) write:



> << > Castor oil packs are a 100% white wool (preferred) or cotton cloth

> soaked

>  > (but not dripping in castor oil and applied directly to the area.   Warmth

>  > may or may not be applied.  Cover the cloth first with a piece of plastic

>  > wrap, and then a towel or thick cloth, after which heat can be applied by

>  > heating pad or hotwater bottle.  In your case, I have a feeling heat may

> not

>  > be necessary.



>  I'm starting with this today. Does the castor oil soften the arthritis? >>



> This is an old Edgar Cayce remedy.  It breaks down congestion, removes

> toxins, softens scar tissue, promotes healing, etc.  It is one of those

> substances that have the ability to penetrate deeply into the body and

> normalize the situation.  I have used it for so many situations and it has

> never failed me.



> Traiteusse@aol.com

> Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: "[Sandie Schoenborn]" <SSchoen110@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:33:34 -0400

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AHH........

   the Association for Enlightenment ( the Edgar Cacey Foundation ) brings

back pleasant memories! I used to live in Va Bch & still have family there.

You can join ARE gruops nationwide & get much info on the Edgar Cacey

remedies. There is a wonderful store there that carries many of his suggested

products & info on numerous treatments. It is the Heritage Store and they

have a catalog. It shouldn't be difficult to find.

   Thanx for the memory!

Namaste,

Sandie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: "[Sandie Schoenborn]" <SSchoen110@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:47:31 -0400

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You can also try physical therapy in conjunction with acupuncture. It is

extremely effective! Another type of pillow thao is easy to make is a long

grain rice half filled athletic sock! You can even warm it in the microwave!

or freeze it !  You can also use   Flax seeds. The idea is that the loose

particals conform to the shape of your neck instead of you trying to conform

to the pillow!

hope you find relief!

Namaste,

Sandie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:58:24 -0400

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Aside from the analgesic herbs, (violet leaves are one of my favorites)

you might want to try magnets.  You can get small round magnets from the

hardware store or Radio Shack.  Tape them on trigger points south side

down.  (If you don't know which way is south, just try putting them on

all the same way.  If it feels strange or has no effect, they are

probably the wrong way and you can just flip them over.)  You might find

a magnetic mattress pad or pillow helpful.



I have an elderly friend who was unable to lift her arm a few inches due

to arthritis.  I came over with peppermint tea, Po Sum On oil (a little

like Tiger Balm, but I like it better- essential oils of mint, scullcap,

cinnamon and dragons blood) and a magnet.  Massaged the area around her

wrist and taped the magnet up on her shoulder.  Within a half hour she

could lift her arm straight up.  She wore them for two weeks and the

problem left and has not returned.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 12:01:16 -0600 Susan Perry <G_PERRY@VENUS.TWU.EDU>

writes:

>>From an old whiplash injury, I have developed arthritis in my neck.

>It used to

>wake me up with severe headaches which would culminate in vomiting

>from the

>pain. I was advised to get a big feather pillow and that really

>relieved the

>problem for a few years. However, I am having an increasingly

>difficult time in

>avoiding the night headaches. Staying off of my back used to do it for

>me. Now,

>I apparently put pressure on my neck in a negative way even when I

>sleep on my

>side.I've woken recently with the severe headaches and vomiting. Do I

>handle

>this problem with the same remedies as other arthritis, using remedies

>such as

>evening primrose oil.

>I was told that I'd eventually need surgery. I would like to avoid

>this because

>of the expense and trauma. If I could find other ways to deal with it,

>I'd be

>very grateful. I have an excellent healthfood and herbal shop in the

>town in

>which I live. I can get anything I need.

>What would be my best course of therapy?

>Sue

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:20:50 -0400

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> to arthritis.  I came over with peppermint tea, Po Sum On oil (a little

> like Tiger Balm, but I like it better- essential oils of mint, scullcap,

> cinnamon and dragons blood) and a magnet.  Massaged the area around her

> wrist and taped the magnet up on her shoulder.  Within a half hour she

> could lift her arm straight up.  She wore them for two weeks and the

> problem left and has not returned.





You probably removed an energy blockage. Eucalyptus oil works this

way too.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:59:37 -0800

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At 12:01 PM 9/20/97 -0600, Susan Perry wrote:

>>From an old whiplash injury, I have developed arthritis in my neck. It

used to

>wake me up with severe headaches which would culminate in vomiting from the

>pain. I was advised to get a big feather pillow and that really relieved the

>problem for a few years. However, I am having an increasingly difficult

time in

>avoiding the night headaches. Staying off of my back used to do it for me.

Now,

>I apparently put pressure on my neck in a negative way even when I sleep

on my

>side.I've woken recently with the severe headaches and vomiting. Do I handle

>this problem with the same remedies as other arthritis, using remedies

such as

>evening primrose oil.

>I was told that I'd eventually need surgery. I would like to avoid this

because

>of the expense and trauma. If I could find other ways to deal with it, I'd be

>very grateful. I have an excellent healthfood and herbal shop in the town in

>which I live. I can get anything I need.

>What would be my best course of therapy?

>Sue

>

>

To avoid surgery, try to find a sacro-cranial massage therapist.  They

don't do the crunching like your traditional chiropractor but use pressure

points to relieve pressure on bones,etc.  Even though no sharp movements

are used you sure can tell when you've been worked over.  It can bring

tremendous relief in just a couple of treatments and should be permanent if

you get a reputable practitioner.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Roxanne Zeto-Brennan <Rox4synch@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 02:11:32 -0400

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Hi all,

     Being a massage therapist, I'll add to what Anita said.  For

cranial-sacral work, find a massage therapist certified in CST by Upledgers.

 There are two different techniques utilized by chiropractors, non-force &

force -as Anita suggested, find yourself a non-force (ask them) chiropractor.

     For those interested in muscles/injuries/massage, a good website (no

commercial interest) is http://danke.com/Orthodoc/index.shtml

     For those interested in chiropractic/injury treatments, a good website

(no commercial interest) is http://members.aol.com/STARCHIRO/index.html.

     Happy learning!



     Roxanne

     rox4synch@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:33:12 -0400

--------

>  There are two different techniques utilized by chiropractors, non-force &

> force -as Anita suggested, find yourself a non-force (ask them) chiropractor.





Non-force??? Is this why some of them use a "thumper" or "activator"?

A friend is going to a chiro who never maniputales the spine with

his hands, he uses an electrical devise that finds the problem and

then sends some kind of signal. What is this all about???

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis

From: Andrea Rader <AndreaRdr@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 08:49:29 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-20 17:30:12 EDT, you write:



<< But, I'll look and,

 somehow, something will work out here. >>



Sue,



I was pleasantly surprised to discover that my health insurance plan covered

some alternative medicine (chiropractic and ND's, for example).  I was told

more and more insurers are.  I was also told that insurers do pretty much

what the employer holding the plan agrees to buy, so it makes sense to

advocate through your employee benefits department for stuff like that.



-AndreaR





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Poodles chronic ear infection......

From: Kathy Chappell <kchappy@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 11:18:08 -0700

--------

I've been lurking for sometime just waiting for my chance to be helpful

so I'll try here......Ideas for external  herbal applications are great

but it is my belief that the major cause of our pets problems is the

preservatives we add to their foods...I think the first thing you need to

do is wean your poodle to an all natural dog food with no preservatives.

I have discovered that  you must check carefully as just because the say

"natures" or "natural" they still may have the preservatives.  There are

a number of good product out there. Also I would recommend  a product

called "missing link" for dogs (no commercial interest)  It replaces many

of the essential oils that are lost in todays pet diets.  You can find

this at most pet supplies and health food stores.  For more info this is

their web page: http://www.warlight.com/warlight/RAINCOAS/mlink1.html

    I hope this all helps.     KC





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Barleygreen, food supplements etc.

From: Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:47:49 -0400

--------

Barleygreen (I think it is a trademarked name) is just the latest *miracle*

I've heard about. I am so confused about all these so-called cure-alls. If I

were to spend my entire monthly food budget on all these kinds of things,

there would be no $ left to buy food, and I betcha I'd be hungry. Granted,

most supermarket foods are laden w/poisons, even organic may not be fresh,

and my homegrown might contain residue from car exhaust and/or animal waste.

Does anyone have ideas about the *ideal* diet? Let's say I start w/this

premise:

no meat or processed foods; high veggie & fibre content; fruit or juices;

only occasional fish and cheese; most veggies organic and eaten raw; tofu,

miso...just exactly how much and what kind of other *stuff* should I

consistently add to my diet? (I like seaweed, brewer's yeast, hot peppers,

garlic, ginger and other spicy tasty additions to most anything.)

It just seems that regular exercise (tho' not running on street w/lots of

traffic) appears to be the end-all for exercise buffs and the health

industry, but the health food industry seems to vouch for all the

supplements.

Any advice is appreciated.

thanks, kai





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Barleygreen, food supplements etc.

From: "[Sandie Schoenborn]" <SSchoen110@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:41:28 -0400

--------

Kai,

    The problem with an "ideal" diet is that we are all very different! We

cannot all tolerate the same foods. Your blood type is one factor that can

influence what type of diet is beneficial for you. You must also consider

your constitutional type. Blood type refers to for instance type O folks do

better eating meat. Type a folks can thrive on a vegetarian diet. The key is

variety to eat the least processed and locally grown foods. You probably need

to consult a holistic nutritionist. You can also do extensive research on the

net!

good luck!

Namaste'

Sandie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Barleygreen, food supplements etc.

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 00:10:28 -0400

--------

I would only suggest that you increase the proportion of protien to about

30% of calories.  I would even use meat if you can get organic meat.  If

you want miracle barley sprouts, just buy barley seed from the health

food store and sprout it- ditto for wheatgrass- it is much cheaper than a

supplement.  Spend your money on quality food rather than supplements-

herbal or vitamin.  Also check out your local edible weeds.  They are

often much higher in nutrients than domesticated vegetables.



To make your organic dollar go farther, spend it on organic meat or

poultry and organic butter.  Since animals are accumulators of pesticides

from lower down the food chain, it is more important to get them organic

than vegetables.  Soy foods are quite good.  Add the miso after cooking

to get the maximum probiotic benefit.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sat, 20 Sep 1997 14:47:49 -0400 Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM> writes:

>Barleygreen (I think it is a trademarked name) is just the latest

>*miracle*

>I've heard about. I am so confused about all these so-called

>cure-alls. If I

>were to spend my entire monthly food budget on all these kinds of

>things,

>there would be no $ left to buy food, and I betcha I'd be hungry.

>Granted,

>most supermarket foods are laden w/poisons, even organic may not be

>fresh,

>and my homegrown might contain residue from car exhaust and/or animal

>waste.

>Does anyone have ideas about the *ideal* diet? Let's say I start

>w/this

>premise:

>no meat or processed foods; high veggie & fibre content; fruit or

>juices;

>only occasional fish and cheese; most veggies organic and eaten raw;

>tofu,

>miso...just exactly how much and what kind of other *stuff* should I

>consistently add to my diet? (I like seaweed, brewer's yeast, hot

>peppers,

>garlic, ginger and other spicy tasty additions to most anything.)

>It just seems that regular exercise (tho' not running on street w/lots

>of

>traffic) appears to be the end-all for exercise buffs and the health

>industry, but the health food industry seems to vouch for all the

>supplements.

>Any advice is appreciated.

>thanks, kai

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Barleygreen, food supplements etc.

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:15:21 -0700

--------

Hi, Kai



I read your post with interest.  Barleygreen has actually

been around for quite some time.  There is also Green magma

which is the same stuff by a different company.  It does get

confusing to sort through all the different herbs and

supplements and it isn't a bad idea, if you are serious

about learning what to take, to visit a trained herbalist

who is also knowledgeable about nutrition to help you put

together a program.  I have supplements that I take

regularly, and then some that I use only when coming down

with something.  If you are really fascinated by herbs,

nutrition, etc., you will read, study and learn, and before

you know it you will have replaced many things in your

medicine cabinet with herbs, etc., and will be more inclined

to reach for them than to reach for a phone to call the

doctor (unless emergency, of course).  Enjoy the learning

experience, and don't let it all overwhelm you!



claudia :-)

--

"A cheerful heart is good medicine" Prov. 17:22

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal / 973-697-8152

Meet the Family/Newsletter/450+ herbals/Samples





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chocolate Cravings

From: Anny Hunt <ahunt@FOTO.INFI.NET>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 17:31:42 -0400

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Paula,

Thanks for mentioning this.  The same thing happened

in my life (totally missed by the way by all the

allopathic doctors).  I mearly died until I took my

health into my own hands (suppose this was the lesson)

and resolved the health problems (which included some

problems with electrical impulsing of my heart organ)

with nutrition and stress-reduction.--Analisa





        Paula Spiegel <HERBLY@AOL.COM wrote:

I have or us to have low blood sugar problems (i.e. dizzy spells etc.)

One of

the side effects was this huge craving for chocolate.  Of course, I

wasn`t

supposed to indulge myself.  Though extensive research I found out

nutritional deficiencies can cause illness, disorders and cravings.

Rather

then trying to cure myself, I started a supplementing with colloidal

minerals

and fruit and veg. caps.  Guess what cravings are gone and so is my low

blood

sugar problem..  Good nutrition is the answer to alot of health issues..

Good Luck,

Paula Spiegel





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: alternative meds

From: Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 19:49:52 -0400

--------

We all know (I am presuming) that no govt agency that gets $ from, e.g.,

tobacco interests, will ever allow *alternative* docs into the HMO (Hand the

Money Over) scheme. Yes, chiropracters are beginning to finally get in, but

herbalists? Sheesh! The herbalists only have about 3,000+ years of *anecdotal

evidence*...I am getting frustrated.

Does anyone know of a group that is trying to get organized to provide health

care in the *alternative mode* for those of us who have no health care, and

those of us who desire to do everything possible BEFORE we resort to a

*regular* (allopathetic) doc?

Sorry to rant, but 20 yrs w/out health *care* is still a bum deal--for that

matter, the years that I DID pay for health *insurance* cost me WAY more than

any *alternative treatment* I used since.

kai





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: alternative meds

From: "[Sandie Schoenborn]" <SSchoen110@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:26:33 -0400

--------

Kai,

   I agree the whole insurance thing is a major pain in the a**! However

there is hope. I am a holistic physical therapist in florida. I am studying

acupuncture & traditional chinese medicine. There have been some recent laws

past here that are making acupuncture more readily available to the public &

some insurance co's are actually reimbursing for it! It is also being taught

in mainstream universities (unlike chiropractic medicine) Harvard &

university of Miami.The laws regarding the regulation of the education are

becoming more rigid however uniformity is somewhat necessary for the safety

of the patient population. There are many resourses online to help you find a

holistic practicianer in your area. Many of the acupuncture students in the

school with me are also health professionals such as nurses & other types of

therapists & even an MD!  Iam discovering that unfortunately it is very

advantageous & necessary to become politically involved. Together we are

strong , divided we fall. My goal is to develope a holistic clinic with an

array of multi-disiplinary health professionals involved including MD's,

chiro's, PT's, OT's, acupuncturists, mental & emotional counceling, energy

healers, all types of bodyworkers, etc.Insurance covers many of these

disciplines already and even covers some not usually covered alone but will

under the direction of an MD or PT or chiro! I think the USA is really slow

to wake up to what's out there. Not to mention the fact that it is not

profitable to many powerful companies (eg. pharmaceuticals) to use

alternative medicine. WE need to educate the public & remind the docs WHY

they supposedly became physicians in the first place & hope it was not money

driven!!!!!

  so much for my opinions!

namaste,

Sandie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: alternative meds

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 20:05:29 -0800

--------

At 07:49 PM 9/20/97 -0400, Kai Wyrill wrote:

>We all know (I am presuming) that no govt agency that gets $ from, e.g.,

>tobacco interests, will ever allow *alternative* docs into the HMO (Hand the

>Money Over) scheme. Yes, chiropracters are beginning to finally get in, but

>herbalists? Sheesh! The herbalists only have about 3,000+ years of *anecdotal

>evidence*...I am getting frustrated.

>

At least they aren't burning us herbalists at the stake anymore.  An

exciting practice, sadly neglected today.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chocolate craving

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 18:01:15 -0700

--------

Hi all,



This is what I have learned about chocolate.  As we know chocolate has about 50

percent of its calories from sugar, so it boosts serotonin levels in the brain.

 It also has about half of its calories from fat.  That can boost brain

endorphin levels.  That results in the brain feling pretty good.  Chocolate also

contains these compounds:



Phenylethylamine, it is the same chemical that is released when we fall in love

:).



Theobromine, similar to caffeine and has similar effects.



Magnesium, that is involved in making serotonin and stablizing mood.



Now,  can ANYONE reproduce any of these herbally????





Also, you chocolate lovers, this is how it affects us psychologically.  It melts

at 97 degrees for immediate pleasure.  yummmm.... it blends with over 500

flavors so the sensory properties of Chocolate are unmatched.  No wonder we have

such a problem with it. teehee.  Ya know, sometimes, when I know I NEED

chocolate it is better than an afrodeziac (spelling?)  Oh, WHAT A FEEELING!!!

teehee



Paula

Paula



On Sat, 20 Sep 1997, Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM> wrote:

>Re:

>"...one of the side effects was this huge craving for chocolate...

>nutritional deficiencies can cause illness, disorders and cravings."

>

>I don't recall if it was this or a different herb list, but someone said

>radicchio supposedly counteracts the craving for bittersweet chocolate.

>

>Sorry if this is a repeat post. I'm still trying to figure out the best way

>to sort my lists.

>

>kai

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Teas, Paula

From: Chip Reuis <C2037@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 21:31:04 -0400

--------

I am of the firm opinion that,  if you enjoy it,  it makes you feel good and

satisfied and at ease with yourself and life then that is all the medicinal

value anything needs.  Drink and enjoy.  Get the decaf, if you feel guilty

about that.



life is too short to sweat the small stuff





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Tea Tree Oil or something else?

From: "K. C. Morlock" <IVXllllXVI@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 20 Sep 1997 23:31:55 -0400

--------

My D H has a red, dry, cracked sore on his foot.  I tried tea tree oil in

water to soak.  My mom suggested using it out of the bottle.  Any

suggestions.  He also has very dry skin with little bumps under it on his

hands.  Our climate is very dry in Montana and he has to wear heavy boots to

work.  Also we are interested in treatments for yeast infections and the

causes.  Hey, thanks, this is my first post.



S. Christie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil or something else?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:53:45 -0800

--------

At 11:31 PM 9/20/97 -0400, K. C. Morlock wrote:

>My D H has a red, dry, cracked sore on his foot.  I tried tea tree oil in

>water to soak.  My mom suggested using it out of the bottle.  Any

>suggestions.  He also has very dry skin with little bumps under it on his

>hands.  Our climate is very dry in Montana and he has to wear heavy boots to

>work.  Also we are interested in treatments for yeast infections and the

>causes.  Hey, thanks, this is my first post.

>

>S. Christie

>

>

Tea tree oil can be helpful but I'd dilute it with some oil such as olive

oil so it's not so drying and hard on the skin.

I just read that wearing WHITE cotton socks is helpful in reducing foot

infections (yeast).  It seems to make a difference what color they are.  A

couple of footbath suggestions would be Pau d'arco, Alder bark or catkins,

coptis spp.

I found that putting a leaf of Alder in my sock helped reduce "hotfoot"

when hiking or walking.  It takes the burning out of athlete's foot.

It would probably be a good idea to look at the possibility of systemic

yeast infection when you have recurrent athletes foot.

This person might look at elder flower oil for relief.  Tea tree oil may be

too drying for this case.  Lavender oil might be better but I'd still

dilute it with oil or use a salve or cream.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tea Tree Oil or something else?

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:56:44 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 13:47:35 EDT, you write:



<< At 11:31 PM 9/20/97 -0400, K. C. Morlock wrote:

 >My D H has a red, dry, cracked sore on his foot. >>



Exactly where on the foot is this located?  The treatment would depend upon

where it was.  How long has he had it, and is there any "heat," in it

compared to adjoining areas.



One tip for healing-never wear the same pair of shoes two days in a row,

rotate the shoes to prevent pressure occuring in the same area each day.

 Walk without shoes as much as possible, or at least use sandals.  Let those

feet breathe and be free!



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tree Hugging and Energy

From: Roxanne Zeto-Brennan <Rox4synch@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 00:46:46 -0400

--------

Hi all,

     Actually, I learned tree-hugging as a KiKo (Thai Chi/Shiatsu) exercise.

 If you do this: stand with feet about shoulder width apart,lower body

slightly (a kind of plie' for you dancers out there), now bring your arms and

pretend your hugging/sueezing a very large  diameter tree!  Ahhh, I can

picture ya all now!

     Okay, what this exercise does is strengthen the heart constrictor

meridian (also known as the envelope of the heart meridian, or, the

pericardium meridian  depending on what Oriental energy/Shiatsu  teacher

you've had).  This meridian  protects the heart from outside disease causing

factors, now, think of all the things that cause dis-ease!  "Tree-hugging"

stimulates/strengthens this meridian as the movement stimulates all nine

points on this meridian when you squeeze the upper body(squeeze tight with

the arms & pecs!).  This meridian starts near the axilla/breast nipple, runs

down down the middle of the anterior arm (palm side of hand),down to the end

of the middle finger.

     So...start hugging them trees!  This ends the shiatsu lesson for today!

 LOL



     Love and light.......Roxanne



Synchronicity Through Touch

Va Beach, VA

Rox4synch@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Tree Hugging and Energy

From: Lady Mystique <mystique@MIDWEST.NET>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 03:18:36 PDT

--------

Sorry but I couldn't help putting in my two cents.  :)=



Someone recently mentioned tree hugging for energy.  Well, the truth

is that our Auras need regular cleansings to remain healthy, this is

why you feel so relaxed when you hug a tree, or walk barefoot on

soil, and often when you hug an animal!  Auras are cleansed by

these healthy and "clean" things.



:)=



Just thought I'd share!!



--Lady Mystique





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: A.R.E.

From: Roxanne Zeto-Brennan <Rox4synch@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 02:34:49 -0400

--------

Hi all,

     The Association for Research & Enlightenment (A.R.E.) is just a few

miles away from me, and I also am a member.  The toll free number is

1-800-333-4499 if you're looking for further info on who/what they

are/offer....I will tell ya that they have one of the largest library

collections of metaphysical, spiritual, alternative medicine/modalities

around that I've ever encountered!  And, as a member you can take out &

return books via the mail!  (of course, I have no commercial interest in

ARE).

     The Heritage Shop, located  a few  miles away from ARE is a wonderful

"new age"/health food store (no commercial interest) that does have a mail

order catalog.  Their toll free number is 1-800-TO-CAYCE.



     Love and light........Roxanne



rox4synch@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: HEAD LICE

From: "Kevin  Gillard." <Osnof@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 10:04:43 -0400

--------

help.   my granddaughter aged three has head lice and her mummy can't get rid

of them.  Any advice for her.



Thankyou.  Heather G.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 18:30:48 -0800

--------

At 10:04 AM 9/21/97 -0400, Kevin  Gillard. wrote:

>help.   my granddaughter aged three has head lice and her mummy can't get rid

>of them.  Any advice for her.

>

>Thankyou.  Heather G.

>

>

Has she tried the "Rid" stuff from the pharmacy?  Once a person has

contracted lice it is important to wash all bedding and clothing, coats

hats etc that the person comes in contact with.  Wash with bleach.  After

using any "kill lice" cure you must use a fine toothed lice comb to comb

out the nits or they will hatch and the problem will reoccur.  I've also

found that shampooing with a shampoo with tea tree oil is helpful.  You can

add about 1 Tbsp tea tree oil per cup of shampoo to help prevent lice.

Some commercial tea tree shampoos don't have enough oil to be helpful.  You

have to shop around.

Washing bedding and pillows is extremely important and the whole family

should be checked for lice and treated appropriately.  If you don't comb

out the nits, you'll never eliminate them completely.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 09:42:47 -0400

--------

>At 10:04 AM 9/21/97 -0400, Kevin  Gillard. wrote:

>>help.   my granddaughter aged three has head lice and her mummy can't get rid

>>of them.  Any advice for her.

>>

>>Thankyou.  Heather G.

>>

I have had several clients who have had succes dousing the hair with olive

oil/thyme oil and putting a plastic cap on and leaving in overnight.This

smothers them.Then shampooing in the morning and combing daily for a week

to remove the nits.Also sterilizing brushes by soaking in bleach diluted

water...and cleaning all linens every night in hot water/bleach.Cleaning

sofas and chairs can be a little more difficult..but if there is an

infestation it might be worth having them steam cleaned.Also do not forget

your car seats.The preventative Anita mentioned with tea tree shampoo is

also what I recommend.Lisa



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:42:46 -0400

--------

hello,



have heard that a strong decoction of hedra helix (english ivy ) used as

a hair rinse will do the trick. repeat in ten days - to kill the new

hatchlings.haven't had the chance yet thank heavens  to try this one out

on my two yet. the of course there's always the mechanical method i.e.

lice comb



if you try it let me know how it works please.



best of luck,



                                lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: DADO5 <amphlett@INREACH.COM>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:13:03 +0000

--------

lee pilgrim wrote:

>

> hello,

>

> have heard that a strong decoction of hedra helix (english ivy ) used as

> a hair rinse will do the trick. repeat in ten days - to kill the new

> hatchlings.haven't had the chance yet thank heavens  to try this one out

> on my two yet. the of course there's always the mechanical method i.e.

> lice comb

>

> if you try it let me know how it works please.

>

> best of luck,

>

>                                 lee.

we had the same problem with lice which came from the local elementary

school known for this problem.

They even published a newspaper article in town on it at "our" school.

Anyway, the lice combs DO NOT work...we had to sit out in the sun to see

the eggs and remove them with fingernails one at a time after a

re-infestation, bedding and clothing sanitize, with all five children

and myself...no fun at all...



john





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:04:11 -0400

--------

The metal lice combs work FAR better than the plastic ones that come with

the medicine.  Dip into alcohol and tea tree oil between comb strokes.

Sitting in the sunlight is a very good idea, because they are hard to

see.



One note, my folk herbalist mentor tells me that the African American

children who oil their hair have fewer problems with getting lice in the

first place.  Apparently the bugs have a harder time getting through the

oil to settle in the scalp.  Oiling hair with a carrier oil/ rosemary oil

combo might be useful.



My kids have thick hair.  I always had to give them short haircuts to get

rid of the nits entirely. (And lice prevention is one of the reasons

teenage boys won't be separated from their baseball caps.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:13:03 +0000 DADO5 <amphlett@INREACH.COM> writes:

>Anyway, the lice combs DO NOT work...we had to sit out in the sun to

>see

>the eggs and remove them with fingernails one at a time after a

>re-infestation, bedding and clothing sanitize, with all five children

>and myself...no fun at all...

>

>john

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:13:33 -0800

--------

At 11:42 AM 9/22/97 -0400, lee pilgrim wrote:

>hello,

>

>have heard that a strong decoction of hedra helix (english ivy ) used as

>a hair rinse will do the trick. repeat in ten days - to kill the new

>hatchlings.haven't had the chance yet thank heavens  to try this one out

>on my two yet. the of course there's always the mechanical method i.e.

>lice comb

>

>if you try it let me know how it works please.

>

>best of luck,

>

>                                lee.

>

>

Just thought of something else....Local Haida Indians say that rubbing the

berries of Devil's Club in the hair rids it of lice. (Never tried it, if

you do let me know)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:43:05 -0400

--------

Do those Devil's club berries have thorns like everything else on the

plant?  Just wondering...ouch!



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:13:33 -0800 Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET> writes:



>Just thought of something else....Local Haida Indians say that rubbing

the

>berries of Devil's Club in the hair rids it of lice. (Never tried it, if

>you do let me know)





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:28:46 -0800

--------

At 10:43 PM 9/23/97 -0400, Karen Vaughan wrote:

>Do those Devil's club berries have thorns like everything else on the

>plant?  Just wondering...ouch!

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>



No, I've examined them.  They have a large flat seed inside the "fruit" and

smell VERY pungent.  They seem to be more pungent than the rest of the

plant.  Taste is unpleasant...not something I'd go out of my way to eat.

I'd think the smell alone would discourage critters.  But I've been going

to make a salve of them to try on inflammations.  Missed them this year so

I'll have to wait till next year.  I did make a cream from the leaves for

my brother's hands (cracked and bleeding from working with sheetrock).  It

was great.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:07:13 -0400

--------

>we had the same problem with lice which came from the local elementary

>school known for this problem.

>They even published a newspaper article in town on it at "our" school.

>Anyway, the lice combs DO NOT work...we had to sit out in the sun to see

>the eggs and remove them with fingernails one at a time after a

>re-infestation, bedding and clothing sanitize, with all five children

>and myself...no fun at all...

>

>john

My clients with infestations have had succeswith the lice combs.You must

part the hair off in one half inch sections and work your way through the

entire head.This can be very tedious.This process must be repeated

daily.lisa



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:03:43 -0400

--------

I haven't seen the old favorite method of using Lavender oil listed.  I have

found it absolutely sure-fire.  You use about 5 Tablespoons of olive oil with

1/2 tsp. Lavender essential oil.  Mix well.  Rub into the scalp, no need to

saturate the hair.  Do this just at bedtime and wrap head in a plastic shower

cap.  Leave on overnight and shampoo out in the morning.  Do this three

nights in a row.  Use disposable shower caps and use a fresh one each night.



Don't forget to wrap up any toys that can't be washed in tight plastic bags

for a while for the nits to hatch and starve.  I put a little dab of Lavender

oil in with them.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HEAD LICE

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:17:58 -0500

--------

Just a quick 2 cents--head lice can't survive without contact with a

host--so school buildings are lice-free on monday morning when the

kids get back from the weekend.  Trouble is, not all parents take the lice

as seriously as they should.  Happy to see all these non-toxic options for

removal, though.



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: info on seed for nutmeg and cloves

From: "J. Froilan Gonzalez" <froilan@MDP.EDU.AR>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 17:49:26 -0300

--------

Dear people,



I wonder if any of you does know (either directly or indirectly)

of sources for seeds of nutmeg and clover.



Any info, suggestions where to ask, etc. will be welcome

Best regards



Jorge





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: info on seed for nutmeg and cloves

From: CoraLynn McKelvy <coralynnmckelvy@USA.NET>

Date: Fri, 19 Sep 1997 18:39:49 -0700

--------

J. Froilan Gonzalez wrote:

>

> Dear people,

>

> I wonder if any of you does know (either directly or indirectly)

> of sources for seeds of nutmeg and clover.

>

> Any info, suggestions where to ask, etc. will be welcome

> Best regards

>

> Jorge



Richters Herb

www.richters.com



nutmeg 50g/$3

clover, red $1.25/pkt, $8/100g



Canadian currency.



Very good company. (no financial interest)



CoraLynn

ne TN

coralynnmckelvy@usa.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: info on seed for nutmeg and cloves

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:45:56 -0400

--------

J. Froilan Gonzalez wrote:



> Dear people,

>

> I wonder if any of you does know (either directly or indirectly)

> of sources for seeds of nutmeg and clover.

>

> Any info, suggestions where to ask, etc. will be welcome

> Best regards

>

> Jorge



 try:  http://www.chatlink.com/~herbseed/herblst2.htm





                    lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herbs or vitamins that give energy

From: "heckma@servtech.com" <heckma@SERVTECH.COM>

Date: Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:11:10 -0500

--------

I just found out that a friend uses caffeine tablets daily for energy.

I suggested to him that there are alternatives to caffeine tablets and

would ask my friends on my herb list for any help or suggestions that

they could offer to him.  Thanks for any info.  Cheers, Brigid





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs or vitamins that give energy

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:58:31 -0400

--------

Ginseng paste, the kind of red ginseng that comes in a small wooden box

and is sold at Chinese grocery stores or pharmacies can help.  It is

nourishing rather than stimulating.  (The capsuls and ginseng vials have

little or no available ginseng.)  Of course, your friend should take a

hard look at his lifestyle to see why he feels a need for stimulants.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Sun, 21 Sep 1997 23:11:10 -0500 "heckma@servtech.com"

<heckma@SERVTECH.COM> writes:

>I just found out that a friend uses caffeine tablets daily for energy.

>I suggested to him that there are alternatives to caffeine tablets and

>would ask my friends on my herb list for any help or suggestions that

>they could offer to him.  Thanks for any info.  Cheers, Brigid

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs or vitamins that give energy

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 16:06:25 -0800

--------

At 11:11 PM 9/21/97 -0500, heckma@servtech.com wrote:

>I just found out that a friend uses caffeine tablets daily for energy.

>I suggested to him that there are alternatives to caffeine tablets and

>would ask my friends on my herb list for any help or suggestions that

>they could offer to him.  Thanks for any info.  Cheers, Brigid

>

>

I hope you will inform him that those caffeine tablets may actually be

contributing to his energy problem.  You can only push your kidneys and

adrenals so long until they are completely exausted.  Remember that the

adrenals sit on top of the kidneys--they are directly related.  When your

kidneys get blown you're going to feel TIRED.

So get this guy a good diagnosis...Get him OFF all caffeine...Get him on

some good liver soothers like Dandelion root "coffee".  It will help his

kidneys too.  Get him on some Good strong vitamins and minerals.  Some good

tonics would be helpful too like maybe Eleuthero.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs or vitamins that give energy

From: Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:50:50 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-23 15:45:53 EDT, you write:



<< ..Get him on

 some good liver soothers like Dandelion root "coffee" >>



How about roasted dandelion root? I love it. Very rich tasting.

kai





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs or vitamins that give energy

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:20:57 -0800

--------

At 08:50 PM 9/23/97 -0400, Kai Wyrill wrote:

>In a message dated 97-09-23 15:45:53 EDT, you write:

>

><< ..Get him on

> some good liver soothers like Dandelion root "coffee" >>

>

>How about roasted dandelion root? I love it. Very rich tasting.

>kai

>

>

That's exactly what I'm talking about.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis & TENS

From: Ginny Dudek <gdudek.uncson@MHS.UNC.EDU>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:02:40 -0400

--------

Sue, Since you have good health insurance you might see about getting

someone to recommend at TENS unit. If you're a PhD student, stress is

your middle name, and a contributing factor. A TENS unit placed along

the spine can reduce muscle tension in the back and reduce the

incidence of headaches. (my experience) A good web site for a chapter

on TENS is http://www.medmarket.com/tenants/epi/html/23tens.html

I have a similar situation resulting from a broken neck as a child.

Chiropractic care helps, as does massage, B vitamins,Valerian (and

other herbs for relaxation), shark cartridge, heat and cold, stress

management. I recently added TENS and St. Johns Wort to my regime

when life's circumstances increased my stress and sadness. My 17 year

old niece was killed in a car accident one month ago. Trying to be

present to support my daughter and sister has increased my need for

support. I wish you well.

Ginny Dudek, RN, MEd

Center for Research on Chronic Illness





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: arthritis & TENS

From: "[Sandie Schoenborn]" <SSchoen110@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:02:57 -0400

--------

I am a physical therapist in FL. I don't know if the laws differ in different

states... however I have issued TENS units with instruction on there use to

many patients referred to me by an MD. With a written prescription from your

MD insurance usually covers it with no problem. The only problem with TENS is

that if you use it all the time (especially on the same settings ) your nural

receptors will accomodate to the impulses fron the TENS unit & it will become

ineffective. I tell my patients to use it for a couple of hours at a time

(not 24 hours a day!). Some patients respond real well to it & others get no

relief. I guess that means we really are all unique!

Hope this helps!

Namaste,

Sandie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: proper nomaclature was Collection of wild herbs

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 10:41:26 -0400

--------

thanks Mary!



i know this plant  by it's latin name, english name: "joe pye weed" and

french name: "eupatoire des marais". just goes to show the effect of

regionality !! by boneset the first thing that pop's into mind is

comfrey -   one of it's most common folk names. my prof once said, that

in her research she came across no less than 62 plants which at one time

or another in various countries have been refered to as boneset.



hats off to linneus. My hero sigh.



                                lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: sage, was tincture ? and preservation ?

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:04:02 -0400

--------

hello,



regarding sage someone said, "stimulates uterine activity and

lactation," i beg to differ however i used sage with both my kids to

*Stop* milk flow at severage. this happens very fast. as little as one

cupful will diminish lactation so that you'll have a hard time getting

enough milk for the next feeding



                                lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: memory loss

From: Jennifer Jacobberger <JACOBBERGER@OUVAXA.CATS.OHIOU.EDU>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:02:02 -0400

--------

                   Ohio University Electronic Communication





Date:  22-Sep-1997 11:50am EDT



  To:  Remote Addressee                     ( _MX%"HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR" )



From:  Jennifer Jacobberger                     Dept:  College of Osteopathic Medicine

       JACOBBERGER                              Tel No:



Subj:  memory loss







a friend of mine has an 83 year old father who is experiencing memory loss, some

short-term and some more long-term things, like not remembering rules to card

games that he has played for years.  he has had circulation problems in his legs

but is in otherwise good health, physically.  i know that i am providing little

information about the man or his lifestyle, but i don't KNOW much about the

situation.  any general suggestions for herbal treatment?  specific questions

that should asked?



thank you,



jennifer



jacobber@oak.cats.ohiou.edu







Received:  22-Sep-1997 12:01pm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: memory loss

From: Mitzi <mitzeli@PRODIGY.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 21:20:59 -0500

--------

>a friend of mine has an 83 year old father who is experiencing memory

loss, some

>short-term and some more long-term things, like not remembering rules to card

>games that he has played for years.  he has had circulation problems in

his legs

>but is in otherwise good health, physically.  i know that i am providing

little

>information about the man or his lifestyle, but i don't KNOW much about the

>situation.  any general suggestions for herbal treatment?  specific questions

>that should asked?



When you treat the old or yound you must be careful.  Liver funcion may be

limited.  It would help to know what types of medicines he is on if any.

For circulation, especially to the brain Ginko is good. But again don't

blindly give without knowing all the facts.





                                It's not doing the things that we like to do,

Mitzi Miceli                    but, liking the things that we have to do,

mitzeli@prodigy.net             that make life blessed!





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Baking with Stevia-possibly off topic

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:05:41 -0500

--------

If your recipie calls for a tablespoon or less of sugar, you don't really

need to change much of anything with the recipie. If the recipie has a lot

of sugar in it, say 1/4 cup or greater, you might end up with texture

differences because the sugar adds a smooth, syrupy quality that might be

missing, but you could try things like cornstarch to add body and

smoothness.



If you're talking about baking, remember that in a recipie that contains

granulated sugar, the sugar+flour+whatever other dry ingredients are in a

specific balance with the liquid ingredients.  If you decrease the dry

ingredients you will need to decrease the liquid to keep things in proper

balance.  Otherwise you'll end up with runny batter.  I don't have a

quick, fast rule for you, but what I'd do in the case of a recipie that

uses baking powder or baking soda for leavening is look for milk or water

among the ingredients and add that last.  When I put it in, I'dd add it

gradually, watching the consistency of the batter.  If it is supposed to

be cookie dough the dough should end up about like play-doh in consistency

or maybe a little looser for drop cookies, thick and rough for

quick-breads and muffins, and smooth for cakes.  If you've made

the recipie before you know what the batter should be like.  Keep in mind

that the crust will be less brown due to the lack of sugar (don't use

brownness as a doneness test, in other words).  You'll also lose some

volume, so a sugar-heavy recipie that used to fill a bread pan probably

won't fill it as full with this method.



If you use the stevia in baking by making a tea and adding the tea to the

mixture, keep in mind that you'll need to decrease the liquid fraction to

balance the extra liquid from the tea.  If its a recipie that calls for

water in the first place you're in luck, since you can substitute the tea

for the water.  In the case of milk, you might try subbing tea + powdered

milk.  Keep in mind that if the recipie calls for cutting in a lot of

butter or shortening that if you add the tea hot you will melt all those

little butter particles and your pastry won't be as crumbly/flaky.  In

those cases you might want to cool your tea first.



Recipies that don't call for milk or water, you might want to try the

straight dry herb in.  Putting moisture in a baking recipie that is

supposed to be dry or oil based can change things radically.



This is all theory.  You'll need to apply some trial and error.  Start

small, with a half recipie or smaller, so you don't end up with a huge

amount of something that didn't come out right.



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu





On Tue, 16 Sep 1997, CoraLynn McKelvy wrote:



> Lory Ann Smith wrote:

> >

> > If 1 tsp. = 1 c. sugar how do you make substitutions in recipes without

> > messing up the consistency and volume of your mix (ie. cookies & cakes)

> > Will the powder dissolve in liquids or does it just make "floaties" on top ?

>

> The green powder substitution is 1-2 tablespoons for 1 cup of sugar.

> The white powder substitution is 1/4 teaspoon for 1 cup of sugar.

> I haven't baked with it yet but it dissolves in tea. (green is all I've

> used) The recipes I've seen using stevia just seem to have the sugar

> replaced with stevia & no changes in the amount of flour for the food

> being made.

>

> > Can the syrup be made from the powdered herb - how?  I'm thinking about

> > ordering some powdered to play with and finding somewhere to buy a

> > plant, but I'd like a better idea of what I'm dealing with. Is there

> > some recommended reading that deals with this type of info rather than

> > chemical components, etc.? Thanks in advance to all !   Lory

> > I imagine a syrup could be made...maybe heat water & add powder for a

> super-saturation level?

>

> The only book I've been able to find about stevia is _Stevia Rebaudiana

> Nature's Sweet Secret_ by David Richard, published by Blue Heron Press

> 1996. This book covers brief history, botany & cultivation, metabolism &

> pharmacology, usage around the world, safety of usage, how to use,

> recipes, stevia products on the market, & stevia sources.

>

> CoraLynn

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: oils -Reply

From: Gilbert Arnold <arnoldg@EM.AGR.CA>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 13:49:14 -0400

--------

Evergreen needles are steam distilled to extract the essential oil.  Steam

distillation can be done at home using a pressure cooker but it is tricky.

You can buy the essential oil fairly easily at a health food store.  Just

make sure you know which tree was used to make the oil.



Blessings,



+Gilbert





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: oils

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:21:03 -0700

--------

Hi guys,

Well, I certainly have been humbled.  Upon reading Breast

Cancer: Breast HEALTH by Susan Weed I am considering my

whole lifestyle & eating.  I am doing some things right,

like exercise, getting outdoors, getting started in making

oils, etc, growing herbs, making my own bread.  She suggested

making oil out of evergreen needles. Has anyone done that?

This is just for starters and I am only 80 or so pages into

the book.  I must say, it is a little scary but it has

to be powerful.  Any comments by people that have read the

book or know of a better way will be appreciated.

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: oils

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 12:55:54 -0400

--------

She suggested

> making oil out of evergreen needles. Has anyone done that?





Is this for the Vit C and Phytochemicals? I always wondered

about doing this. Pine needle are an excellent antioxidant.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: which pine tree

From: Kathy Samuelson <RUnotWHOur@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:23:38 -0400

--------

you say be sure to know which pine tree needles come from for EO but then you

didn't mention which one it should be? kat





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: which pine tree -Reply

From: Gilbert Arnold <arnoldg@EM.AGR.CA>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:32:18 -0400

--------

Which ever oil is specified by the herbalist.  There are many types of

needle bearing conifers.



Blessings,



+Gilbert



>>> Kathy Samuelson <RUnotWHOur@AOL.COM> 09/22/97 03:23pm >>>

you say be sure to know which pine tree needles come from for EO but

then you

didn't mention which one it should be? kat





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Using olive oil for head lice

From: Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 15:35:51 -0400

--------

Just be prepared to have to wash and wash and wash to get it out. I tried it

for a hair *beauty* treatment decades ago and the shower went cold before I

had it all washed out. Had to wait til water heater had fresh supply to try

again & finally succeed.

kai





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Using olive oil for head lice

From: Connie Williams <willys@LVDI.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:34:55 -0700

--------

At 03:35 PM 9/22/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Just be prepared to have to wash and wash and wash to get it out. I tried it

>for a hair *beauty* treatment decades ago and the shower went cold before I

>had it all washed out. Had to wait til water heater had fresh supply to try

>again & finally succeed.

>kai

>

>

Try using a little dab of Dawn dishwashing soap to wash it out. Works good

on olive oil.

Conni





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Using olive oil for head lice

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 10:08:22 -0400

--------

>Just be prepared to have to wash and wash and wash to get it out. I tried it

>for a hair *beauty* treatment decades ago and the shower went cold before I

>had it all washed out. Had to wait til water heater had fresh supply to try

>again & finally succeed.

>kai

It is helpful to apply tea tree shampoo to the hair BEFORE wetting it.lisa



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: a funny

From: Kimberly Weeks <kmweeks@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 17:06:11 EDT

--------

Q - I just joined a new HMO.  How difficult will it be to choose the

doctor I want?

A - Just slightly more difficult than choosing your

parents.  Your insurer will provide you with a book listing all the

doctors who were participating in the plan at the time the information

was gathered.  These doctors basically fall into two categories--those

who are no longer accepting new patients, and those who will see you

but are no longer part of the plan.  But don't worry--the remaining

doctor who is still in the plan and accepting new patients has an

office just a half a day's drive away.



Q - What does HMO stand for?

A - This is actually a variation of the phrase "Hey, Moe!"  Its roots

go back to a concept pioneered by Doctor Moe Howard, who discovered

that a patient could be made to forget about the pain in his foot if

he was poked hard enough in the eyes.  Modern practice replaces the

physical finger poke with hi-tech equivalents such as voice-mail and

referral slips, but the result remains the same.



Q - Do all diagnostic procedures require pre-certification?

A - No.  Only those you need.



Q - What are pre-existing conditions?

A - This is a phrase used by the grammatically challenged when they

want to talk about existing conditions.  Unforutnately we appear to be

pre-stuck with it.



Q - Well, can I get coverage for my pre-existing conditions?

A - Certainly, as long as they don't require any treatment.



Q - What happens if I want to try alternative forms of medicine?

A - You'll need to find alternative forms of payment.



Q - My pharmacy plan only covers generic drugs, but I need the name

brand.  I tried the generic medication but it gave me a stomach ache.

What should I do?

A - Poke yourself in the eye.



Q - What should I do if I get sick while traveling?

A - Try sitting in a different part of the bus.



Q - No, I mean what if I'm away from home and I get sick?

A - You really shouldn't do that.  You'll have a hard time seeing your

primary care physician.  It's best to wait till you return and then

get sick.



Q - I think I need to see a specialist, but my doctor insists s/he can

handle my problem.  Can a general practitioner really perform a heart

transplant right in his/her office?

A - Hard to say, but considering

that all you're risking is the $10 copayment, there's no harm in

giving him/her a shot at it, eh?



Q - My insurer reimburses the doctor for my outpatient surgery, but

I'd already paid my bill.  What should I do?

A - Your doctor can sign

the reimbursement check over to you, or you can ask him/her to invest

the money for you in one of those great offers doctors and dentists

hear about, like windmill farms or frog hatcheries.



Q - What accounts for the largest portion of health care costs?

A - Doctors trying to recoup their investment losses.



Q - Will health care be any different in the next century?

A - No, but if you call right now, you might get an appointment by

then.



=8-D-)-<





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: stevia; grape seed extract

From: izzie <izzie@CVN.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:21:32 -0400

--------

Two questions for you - can Stevia replace fructose for the diabetic?

How does one make grape seed extract?

Thanks for all the great information I find here everyday!  Elaine





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: sage

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 20:28:54 -0400

--------

Lee-



Thank you.  I miscoppied my notes.  Sage inhibits lactation.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 11:04:02 -0400 lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

writes:

>hello,

>

>regarding sage someone said, "stimulates uterine activity and

>lactation," i beg to differ however i used sage with both my kids to

>*Stop* milk flow at severage. this happens very fast. as little as one

>cupful will diminish lactation so that you'll have a hard time getting

>enough milk for the next feeding=85

>

>                                lee.

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: sage

From: Roxanne Zeto-Brennan <Rox4synch@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 08:14:44 -0400

--------

Hi Lee,

     Correct you are!  Sage is considered an antigalactagogue-It will

decrease milk supply/lactation.  Been doing breastfeeding/lactation

consulting in NICU for many years.

       Roxanne



Roxanne Zeto-Brennan, RN,CMT,IMI,HTP

Synchronicity Through Touch

Va Beach, VA

Rox4synch@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: sage

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 13:12:43 -0400

--------

Karen Vaughan wrote:



> Lee-

>

> Thank you.  I miscoppied my notes.  Sage inhibits lactation.

>

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com

>







Hi Lee,

     Correct you are!  Sage is considered an antigalactagogue-It will

decrease milk supply/lactation.  Been doing breastfeeding/lactation

consulting in NICU for many years.

       Roxanne



Roxanne Zeto-Brennan, RN,CMT,IMI,HTP

Synchronicity Through Touch

Va Beach, VA

Rox4synch@aol.com





thanx for the stokes, folks!



been working real hard lately and will take all the TLC i can get.



                                    lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: red clover

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:36:29 -0700

--------

I am looking for red clover to make a tincture &/or oil

out of.  Is this the very, very common plant I see every-

where at the beginning of summer?? Man, I don't think it

is around outside anywhere now.

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: red clover

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 07:39:26 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-22 23:54:50 EDT, you write:



<< I am looking for red clover to make a tincture &/or oil

 out of.  Is this the very, very common plant I see every-

 where at the beginning of summer?? Man, I don't think it

 is around outside anywhere now.

 Linda S. >>



In Southeast Louisiana it blooms around Mother's day.  However, bulk herb

suppliers like Frontier Herbs (no commercial interest), sell it by the pound.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: red clover

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 11:18:34 -0400

--------

Mike & Linda Shipley wrote:

>

> I am looking for red clover to make a tincture &/or oil

> out of.  Is this the very, very common plant I see every-

> where at the beginning of summer?? Man, I don't think it

> is around outside anywhere now.

> Linda S.



In the winter I buy it by th pound from Blessed Herbs 1-800-489-4372

It's organic, and a pound goes a LONG way.

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: red clover

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:31:18 -0400

--------

Probably so.  I am still seeing it, although it is not at its peak,

although your climate is hotter than mine and the clover could

conceivably be over.  Check out a good field guide.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Mon, 22 Sep 1997 18:36:29 -0700 Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

writes:

>I am looking for red clover to make a tincture &/or oil

>out of.  Is this the very, very common plant I see every-

>where at the beginning of summer?? Man, I don't think it

>is around outside anywhere now.

>Linda S.

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: red clover

From: Rosamond -Rusty- Taylor <rtaylor@SILVERLINK.NET>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 15:43:59 -0700

--------

>I am looking for red clover to make a tincture &/or oil

>out of.  Is this the very, very common plant I see every-

>where at the beginning of summer?? Man, I don't think it

>is around outside anywhere now.

>Linda S.



If it has been cut down, it will sprout up and flower, again.  I have it

all over our field, and it is still blooming.  (And I have collected and

dried lots of blossoms!)



Rusty



*************************************************************************



Bob & Rusty Taylor                 "You come far, pilgrim!"

Poulsbo, WA                        "Feels like far."

rtaylor@silverlink.net (home)      "Were it worth the trouble?"



Non-commercial webpages:           "Heh?  What trouble?"

www.silverlink.net/~rtaylor           (from the movie "Jeremiah Johnson")



*************************************************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Abcessed Cat

From: "K. C. Morlock" <IVXllllXVI@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 23:12:31 -0400

--------

My cat has a bad abcess.  What does the group reccomend.  Please give comple

instructions so I don't put something inside that is only supposed to go

outside.  It looks and smells bad.



S.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Abcessed Cat

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 00:05:30 -0700

--------

I recommend you take the cat to the vet *IMMEDIATELY*.



-----Original Message-----

From:   K. C. Morlock [SMTP:IVXllllXVI@AOL.COM]

Sent:   Monday, September 22, 1997 8:13 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Abcessed Cat



My cat has a bad abcess.  What does the group reccomend.  Please give comple

instructions so I don't put something inside that is only supposed to go

outside.  It looks and smells bad.



S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Abcessed Cat

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 12:03:01 -0800

--------

At 12:05 AM 9/23/97 -0700, TeraGram wrote:

>I recommend you take the cat to the vet *IMMEDIATELY*.

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From:   K. C. Morlock [SMTP:IVXllllXVI@AOL.COM]

>Sent:   Monday, September 22, 1997 8:13 PM

>To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

>Subject:        Abcessed Cat

>

>My cat has a bad abcess.  What does the group reccomend.  Please give comple

>instructions so I don't put something inside that is only supposed to go

>outside.  It looks and smells bad.

>

>S.

>

>

I second the motion.  Back in the old days, we'd just lance the abcess and

wash it out with Betadine.  It worked.  However, if you remember a short

time ago there was a farm girl from Utah who nearly died because the abcess

she cleaned from her cat was actually a buboe.  She contracted PLAGUE!

There was quite a scare for her friends who were exposed to this also.

Plague is sometimes found in wild animals.  If ingested into the lungs, you

have 3 days to live.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Abcessed Cat

From: Beezley <beezley@EARTHLING.NET>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 06:10:23 -0400

--------

At 11:12 PM 9/22/97 -0400, you wrote:

>My cat has a bad abcess.  What does the group reccomend.  Please give comple

>instructions so I don't put something inside that is only supposed to go

>outside.  It looks and smells bad.

>

>S.

>

PLEASE!  GET YOUR CAT TO THE VET!!!  Don't fool around trying to fix it

yourself.  Your cat needs to have the abcess drained, and needs to be put

on antibiotics.  Your cat is in pain.  (think about how it would feel if

that abcess was on YOUR body!)  Help him or her by getting it to someone

who knows how to treat them!



Pax!

Beezley

=:o





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Abcessed Cat

From: kay fischer <fischerk@PEAK.ORG>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 23:33:16 -0700

--------

K. C. Morlock wrote:

>

> My cat has a bad abcess.  What does the group reccomend.  Please give comple

> instructions so I don't put something inside that is only supposed to go

> outside.  It looks and smells bad.

>

> S.





It has to heal from the inside out, so the main thing is to keep it open

and draining.  If it is from another cat's bite (probably) there will

usually be hole that opens and drains. If it scabs over, you can wash the

area with hydrogen peroxide, soften and remove the scab. He should be

just fine in a few days.



Kay





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: [Fwd: Rauvolfia serpentina]

From: Patricia Striebich <patrici@ALASKA.NET>

Date: Mon, 22 Sep 1997 22:45:41 -0800

--------

Message

--------

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Rauvolfia serpentina

From: patrici@ak.net

Date: Thu, 18 Sep 1997 20:07:26 -0800

--------

Hello,



I am a new list member and this is the first time I have posted here, so

I apologize if this has already been discussed recently.



I like herbs of historical interest and have two Rauvolfia serpentina

plants that are just barely hanging on to life.  I've not been able to

find out very much, either on line or at the libray.  Can anybody on the

list help me with cultural information?  I live in Alaska and had the

plants outside during the summer, but brought them in recently because

nighttime temperatures are dipping into the 40's.  The leaves have all

fallen off; but the layer immediately under the bark layer is still

green.  They're alive, but only barely.



It took me so long to find these plants I would desperately mourn their

loss.  Can anyone help me?



Patricia

*** my real e-mail address is patrici@alaska.net ***





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Memory  loss

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 20:20:02 +1000

--------

EHC wrote:

>

> >

> > Reply to Jennifer,

> >

> > The elderly with circulation and memory loss may benefit from       regular  B12 injections.

> >

> > Good memory has been linked by some to brain proteins. Make sure the

> > diet has sufficient. The elderly often don't eat enough. if appetite    is  deficient use some gentian and agrimony to stimulate appetite and

> > absorption and a little! cayenne to equalize circulation.

> >

> > Lecithin, B6 with magnesium to balance, folic acid, L-glutamine and     the  herbs wood betony and ginkgo biloba may all be of benefit.

>

> Hope this  may be of help to you,

>

> Kind Regards,

>

> Beverly Shamon





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: was Comfrey then beeswax -then milk now TEA

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 14:36:31 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-21 10:15:18 EDT, you write:



<< SOooo.... what was in the tea???!!!! >>



A little of this and a little of that ....    two newts toes, one hair of the

dog that bit the neighbor,  the seed of a new thought harvested on the new

moon and three drops of the essence of a child.   (and please do not use the

Gingrich kind of newt's toes - much too bitter)



If you have difficulty finding those ingredients, try these as an alternative

 for a tea  we now call "Morning Wood" The name, although chosen before the

tea was blended for the first time,  comes from the feeling you get after a

couple of days of drinking it - a feeling like you are out in the forest just

after the sun has risen - walking barefoot in the moss with all of the

worndrful sounds and smells - reconnected again with mother earth and her

creatures.



org. Milky oat heads,  - a deep nervine for energy and nervous exhaustion

org. St. John's wort bud and leaf,  to take the rocks out of the road of life

org. damiana leaf,  deep nervine to relax and feed the system

siberian ginseng, adaptogen and nervous system regenerator for deep energy

cinnamon chips,  yummy

organic orange peel.  yummy yummy

crystallized ginger root - carrier and circulatory aid



Peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SJW

From: "Kelly E. Moore" <kemoor1@POP.UKY.EDU>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 19:15:35 -0400

--------

Dear All:



I've been reading a lot of information about SJW both on the internet and

on this listerv.  I've gotten a lot of good information -- Thanks!  I have

one more question.  Does anyone know if SJW can cause what I would call

"hyper-alertness" for lack of a better term?



I've been taking it for two months now, and I've noticed that I sleep less

than I used to.  I stay up for longer periods of time because I cannot

readily fall alseep.  I've been walking about 4 miles a day to get some

exercise and also to tire myself ou so that I can get to bed at a

reasonable hour, but I still cannot sleep.  Let me clarify that this recent

sleeplessness is not "aggitated" .  I feel calm and very focused -- I just

can't sleep more than six hours at a time.



Should I worry?  (I feel rested in the morning when I wake up).



Thanks for any insight!



Kelly E. Moore

Graduate and Research Assistant

The University of Kentucky

Special Education and Rehabilitation Counseling

237 J Taylor Education Building

Lexington, KY 40506-0001

(606) 257-8106 Office

(606) 257-1325 Fax

kemoor1@pop.uky.edu





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:18:43 -0800

--------

At 07:15 PM 9/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Dear All:

>

>I've been reading a lot of information about SJW both on the internet and

>on this listerv.  I've gotten a lot of good information -- Thanks!  I have

>one more question.  Does anyone know if SJW can cause what I would call

>"hyper-alertness" for lack of a better term?

>

>I've been taking it for two months now, and I've noticed that I sleep less

>than I used to.  I stay up for longer periods of time because I cannot

>readily fall alseep.  I've been walking about 4 miles a day to get some

>exercise and also to tire myself ou so that I can get to bed at a

>reasonable hour, but I still cannot sleep.  Let me clarify that this recent

>sleeplessness is not "aggitated" .  I feel calm and very focused -- I just

>can't sleep more than six hours at a time.

>

>Should I worry?  (I feel rested in the morning when I wake up).

>

>Thanks for any insight!

>

>Kelly E. Moore

>Graduate and Research Assistant

>The University of Kentucky

>Special Education and Rehabilitation Counseling

>237 J Taylor Education Building

>Lexington, KY 40506-0001

>(606) 257-8106 Office

>(606) 257-1325 Fax

>kemoor1@pop.uky.edu

>

>

If you are feeling rested with 6 hours of sleep, I don't know why you are

worrying.  Not everyone is a textbook 8 hours of sleep person.  In fact, I

don't know too many people who are.  It's an average only.  If you're well

and rested, don't fight it.  Enjoy your extra hours and do something

productive and fun.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 16:19:15 -0800

--------

At 07:58 PM 9/23/97 -0400, you wrote:

>WHAT IS  SJW

>

>

Saint Johnswort, a wonderful herb  (Hypericum perf.)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:05:46 -0400

--------

Kelly E. Moore wrote:

>

> Dear All:

>

> I've been reading a lot of information about SJW both on the internet and

> on this listerv.  I've gotten a lot of good information -- Thanks!  I have

> one more question.  Does anyone know if SJW can cause what I would call

> "hyper-alertness" for lack of a better term?









Could you please tell me which brand you are taking and how much of it?

Thanks!

---------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

---------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW

From: "Kelly E. Moore" <kemoor1@POP.UKY.EDU>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:53:25 -0400

--------

>You wrote:





Could you please tell me which brand you are taking and how much of it?

>Thanks!

>---------------------

>Mary Satchell

>St. Francis Herb Farm

>mailto:satch@eos.net

>---------------------



Mary,



I am taking Enzymatic Therapy SJW.  I take the recommended dosage of 3

capsules per day with meals -- 900mg per day.  I was told to take this

particular brand of SJW because it's a "research grade,"  and it's just

about the only brand that my local co-op sells.



I am very hypersensitive to medications (I lost 28 pounds in 6 weeks when

my doctor put me on Prozac) so I've been trying different natural

alternatives like SJW, whole foods, exercise, and light therapy.  Whatever

it is I am doing, it's working.



I haven't had any of the side effects other people wrote about like

increased body temperature or nervousness, I just seem to need less sleep.

(But then again, it may be the combination of exercise and good foods too).



I am going to go with it!  I feel good.



Thanks everyone!





Kelly E. Moore

Graduate and Research Assistant

The University of Kentucky

Special Education and Rehabilitation Counseling

237 J Taylor Education Building

Lexington, KY 40506-0001

(606) 257-8106 Office

(606) 257-1325 Fax

kemoor1@pop.uky.edu





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:10:19 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

>reasonable hour, but I still cannot sleep.  Let me clarify that this recent

>sleeplessness is not "aggitated" .  I feel calm and very focused -- I just

>can't sleep more than six hours at a time.  Should I worry?  (I feel rested in the morning when I wake up).



I ADD:

 Since you feel rested, I' d say this is good.  Your sleep cycles reflect your age and emotional & physical state of health.     Babies and Teens need 10 hrs. sleep.  Children need 8.  Depression usually causes folks to feel they need more sleep.  As you age, less is needed (if your in peak health).   Going to sleep at the same time each night, exercise and good health all contribute to efficient, restful sleep.  Many adults are fully recharged on 5 to 6 hours sleep a night.

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: new subscriber

From: belinda c fong <bfong02@CCSF.CC.CA.US>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 18:57:04 -0700

--------

Hi everyone!  I just join your group today. You may have already

discussed this before, but I need info on what herbal topical

ailment(s) that's hypoallergenic for me & my daughter who is 41/2

yrs with atopical ezcema (itchy skin usually more itchy at night)

after itching it, I would get cracks on my skin, especially on my

fingers.  I've already tried many types of topical steroids

and they seem the thin my skin out, which can get cut easily.

I've tried different types of lotion (like eucerin,lubriderm,aloe

vera)but my skin dries up after a short while, then it gets itchy.

I don't really like to take any pills. Thanks for reading this.





Belinda Fong                 *    *  ****** *      *      ******

bfong02@hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us  *    *  *      *      *      *    *

Have a terrific day!         *    *  ****** ****** ****** ******





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: new subscriber

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:23:16 -0800

--------

At 06:57 PM 9/23/97 -0700, belinda c fong wrote:

>Hi everyone!  I just join your group today. You may have already

>discussed this before, but I need info on what herbal topical

>ailment(s) that's hypoallergenic for me & my daughter who is 41/2

>yrs with atopical ezcema (itchy skin usually more itchy at night)

>after itching it, I would get cracks on my skin, especially on my

>fingers.  I've already tried many types of topical steroids

>and they seem the thin my skin out, which can get cut easily.

>I've tried different types of lotion (like eucerin,lubriderm,aloe

>vera)but my skin dries up after a short while, then it gets itchy.

>I don't really like to take any pills. Thanks for reading this.

>

>

>Belinda Fong                 *    *  ****** *      *      ******

>bfong02@hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us  *    *  *      *      *      *    *

>Have a terrific day!         *    *  ****** ****** ****** ******

>

>

Steroids are commonly prescribed for this but actually, in the long run

will exacerbate the problem.  This is a condition for which you need

dietary changes and healing herbs inside and out.  Look to the liver for

this one.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: stomach upset

From: Rose Kemps <Canelle@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 22:33:36 -0400

--------

a friend that is going through a stressful period has a great stomach upset,

cramps, gas, etc... what do you people would recommend??





Thanks in advance for your replies



Rose





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Miekal And <dtv@MWT.NET>

Date: Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:41:56 +0100

--------

Rose Kemps wrote:

>

> a friend that is going through a stressful period has a great stomach upset,

> cramps, gas, etc... what do you people would recommend??

>

> Thanks in advance for your replies

>

> Rose





nothing works like honey-fried licorice root





miekal





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:03:22 +1000

--------

>

> Rose Kemps wrote:

> >

> > a friend that is going through a stressful period has a great stomach upset,

> > cramps, gas, etc... what do you people would recommend??

> >

> > Thanks in advance for your replies

> >

> >Rose





Try a little Cardamon powder with a little gentian, agrimony and fennel

before meals.



Hope your friend improves,



Beverly Shamon





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:55:13 +1000

--------

EHC wrote:

>

> EHC wrote:

> >

> > >

> > > Rose Kemps wrote:

> > > >

> > > > a friend that is going through a stressful period has a great stomach upset,

> > > > cramps, gas, etc... what do you people would recommend??

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance for your replies

> > > >

> > > >Rose

> >

> > Try a little Cardamon powder with a little gentian, agrimony and fennel

> > before meals.

> >

> > Hope your friend improves,

> >

> > Beverly Shamon

>

> PS She may need some help for her nerves ie Kava Kava, Scullcap,

> passionflower





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:26:16 -0500

--------

Two things to try: cider vinegar in warm water (I don't actually measure,

but its like a tablespoon or two in an 8 oz glass of water)

Another: Ginger tea--just grate fresh root into a teacup (a tbsp) and pour

boiling water over it, ok to sweeten.

The cider vinegar works really well on the stomache ache that

sometimes accompanies a migraine.



Christine Oinonen Ehren

Oinonenehren@macalester.edu





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Green Country Internet Service <sandysq@SERVER.GREENCIS.NET>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 09:47:45 -0500

--------

At 09:26 AM 9/26/97 -0500, you wrote:

>Two things to try: cider vinegar in warm water (I don't actually measure,

>but its like a tablespoon or two in an 8 oz glass of water)

>Another: Ginger tea--just grate fresh root into a teacup (a tbsp) and pour

>boiling water over it, ok to sweeten.

>The cider vinegar works really well on the stomache ache that

>sometimes accompanies a migraine.

>

>Christine Oinonen Ehren

>Oinonenehren@macalester.edu

>



Hi Folks...   I'm new here.... but I wanted to add that Peppermint Tea is

great for tummy aches....  in children and adults.   I have used it for

years...



Sandy





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 16:19:33 GMT

--------

On Tue, 23 Sep 1997 21:41:56 +0100, Miekal And <dtv@MWT.NET> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Rose Kemps wrote:

>> a friend that is going through a stressful period has a great stomach upset,

>> cramps, gas, etc... what do you people would recommend??

>

>nothing works like honey-fried licorice root



Sounds interesting. What do you do after you've honey-fried the licorice root:

eat it? make a tea out of it? If you eat it: will above treatment soften the

root so you won't have to spit splinters?



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Miekal And <dtv@MWT.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 13:42:06 +0100

--------

> Sounds interesting. What do you do after you've honey-fried the licorice root:

> eat it? make a tea out of it? If you eat it: will above treatment soften the

> root so you won't have to spit splinters?

>

> Cheers

> Henriette





Ive never tried frying the licorice myself, you can find it in any place

that sells chinese herbs.  I, myself chew it until it dissolves or until

there is a small cud.  Never encountered splinters.  As Ive had licorice

root with & without the honeyfried treatment, I dont think it has any

effect on splinterability.



Miekal





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==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:51:47 -0400

--------

Rose -

mature comfrey leaf and slippery elm bark - in equal proportions - either in

a tea or in capsule - tea could be yukkie because of the paste that the

slippery elm makes - try the capsules - whole herb - not the "commercial"

stuff.

Peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Robert Dell <bobdell@GISCO.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:02:34 -0700

--------

Rose Kemps wrote:

>

> a friend that is going through a stressful period has a great stomach upset,

> cramps, gas, etc... what do you people would recommend??

>

This might seem pretty simple, but I would go with a tea made from

peppermint, chamomile, and lemon balm.  The chamomile and lemon balm for

the stress, and the mint for the indigestion.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 15:18:44 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-24 14:40:14 EDT, you write:



<< > Sounds interesting. What do you do after you've honey-fried the licorice

root:

 > eat it? make a tea out of it? If you eat it: will above treatment soften

the

 > root so you won't have to spit splinters?

 >

 > Cheers

 > Henriette >> (Henriette Kress)



I have heard of  heating the licorice root gently in simmering distilled

water to cover, straining, then adding honey and reducing to a syrup.  Honey

is anahydrous (draws liquids to it), but I'm not sure the ingredients in

 _dried_  licorice root would leach out into the honey without using some

sort of liquid.  Now, gently heating (not over 140 degrees instead of

frying), the _fresh_ root in honey will draw out the goodies without

additional liquid, and I know even the dried root will flavor the honey, but

does anyone know if enough of the medicinal properties are imparted from

dried root directly into the honey?



I would also hesitate to put honey into an upset stomach.  Sugars seem to

irritate the stomach by stimulating more acid production.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:25:14 -0800

--------

At 10:33 PM 9/23/97 -0400, Rose Kemps wrote:

>a friend that is going through a stressful period has a great stomach upset,

>cramps, gas, etc... what do you people would recommend??

>

>

>Thanks in advance for your replies

>

>Rose

>

>

would need more information for any real recommendation.  Help the stress

with St. Johnswort, valerian, Skullcap etc.  Use bitters for the stomach

problems.  But there may be more specific help if the whole person were

examined.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Vicki Dame <GalenaMtRo@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:15:54 -0400

--------

I've used catnip for upset stomachs.  It works wonders!!



Vicki





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 10:24:32 -0700

--------

A more common use for catnip is as a cure for insomnia. I find it works

very well. Word of caution, however... too much can make one feel

nauseated and possibly cause vomiting.



- Sincerely

 Tera



On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Vicki Dame wrote:



> I've used catnip for upset stomachs.  It works wonders!!

>

> Vicki

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stomach upset

From: Kathy Haag <KR1989@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:45:39 -0400

--------

I get an upset stomach, too.  I have found that mint tea works great to calm

it.  Mint tea worked for my little girls gassy tummies when she was

little,too.  My son also had gassy tummy when he was little and the mint

didn't work, for him it was ginger (regular seasoning from the store) powder

that worked great.  Try both of them!



Good luck.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: [P] Not Tonight Dear

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:01:45 +1000

--------

Luis Fernandez wrote:

>

> I know a married fellow who has a condition that honestly has me

> puzzled. During this past summer while his wife was away on vacation, he

> simply went on a 100% fruit diet for a period of less than 3 weeks. And

> what he noticed was that for some reason or other his desire to have sex

> was diminishing and at present is virtually non-existant. During the few

> times that they have had sex since her return, she has expressed that

> the performance is noticeably lacking. A period of over a week has gone

> by and they have not engaged in any activity. He is a young chap, in his

> early 30's, and seems to be in better health than before starting the

> diet.

>

> How might we help him?

>

> Luis      mailto:luis@balancedself.org

>

>



Dear Luis,



Increase his protein intake.

Herbs such as Muirapuama 'for local function' and damiana, ginseng,

kola nut, saw palmetto and sarsaparilla will help the male reproductive

system. Make sure he has enough zinc and is not doing too much exercise.

Some small amounts of kelp may help bring any thyroid involvment back to

what  it should be.



Kind Regards,





Beverly Shamon





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: [P] Not Tonight Dear

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:39:27 -0800

--------

At 02:01 PM 9/24/97 +1000, EHC wrote:

>Luis Fernandez wrote:

>>

>> I know a married fellow who has a condition that honestly has me

>> puzzled. During this past summer while his wife was away on vacation, he

>> simply went on a 100% fruit diet for a period of less than 3 weeks. And

>> what he noticed was that for some reason or other his desire to have sex

>> was diminishing and at present is virtually non-existant. During the few

>> times that they have had sex since her return, she has expressed that

>> the performance is noticeably lacking. A period of over a week has gone

>> by and they have not engaged in any activity. He is a young chap, in his

>> early 30's, and seems to be in better health than before starting the

>> diet.

>>

>> How might we help him?

>>

>> Luis      mailto:luis@balancedself.org

>>

>>

>

>Dear Luis,

>

>Increase his protein intake.

>Herbs such as Muirapuama 'for local function' and damiana, ginseng,

>kola nut, saw palmetto and sarsaparilla will help the male reproductive

>system. Make sure he has enough zinc and is not doing too much exercise.

>Some small amounts of kelp may help bring any thyroid involvment back to

>what  it should be.

>

>Kind Regards,

>

>

>Beverly Shamon

>

>

Yup, I keep telling ya...fruit is cold and damp...not exactly what I'd call

a recipe for those "hot" nights.  Forget the fruit.  The above

recommedations are good.  Go for warm cooked foods, some meat, WHITE rice

helps eliminate dampness.  Lotus leaf could be helpful.

It is important to pay attention to energetics of the food you eat as well

as the herbs you use.  You want a hot libido?....Eat like those hot

Italians and south of the border types.  Cold and damp foods = cold and

damp libido.

P.S. (by the way, a bunch of Alaskan guides got in trouble a few years back

for selling bear galls to Chinese pharmacologists.  They are reputed to

have aphrodisiac qualities.  They are also very illegal.)

PP.SS... Kelp is cold and damp.  Not a good idea.  So is Blue green algae.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: scar

From: monthachitra amornrat <axm71320@CMSU2.CMSU.EDU>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 00:22:18 -0500

--------

Hi members

        I just had a surgery 3 week ago. After 13 days, my doctor took string out

but the wound is not closed (wide around 1/4 in. from side to side). Now,

my wound still  bad. My doctor did not give me any antibiotic. I'm really

worried about the scar I will get. Do you have any idea to deal with scar?

My friend told me that Vitamin E oil can help. Is it true?

        In addition, the skin around the wound become dark. How to make it being

the same color as other areas? Hopefully, somebody can help me.

Thanks,

Amorn



********************************************************

NAME:           AMORNRAT MONTHACHITRA

INSTITUTION:    CENTRAL MISSOURI STATE UNIVERSITY

                (MBA STUDENT)

ADDRESS:        203 E.CULTON ST. APT.#B

                WARRENSBURG MO, 64093

PHONE NUMBER:   (816)429-1355



********************************************************





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scar

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:25:19 +1000

--------

monthachitra amornrat wrote:

>

> Hi members

>         I just had a surgery 3 week ago. After 13 days, my doctor took string out

> but the wound is not closed (wide around 1/4 in. from side to side). Now,

> my wound still  bad. My doctor did not give me any antibiotic. I'm really

> worried about the scar I will get. Do you have any idea to deal with scar?

> My friend told me that Vitamin E oil can help. Is it true?

>         In addition, the skin around the wound become dark. How to make it being

> the same color as other areas? Hopefully, somebody can help me.

> Thanks,

> Amorn

>

> ********************************************************

> NAME:           AMORNRAT MONTHACHITRA

> INSTITUTION:    CENTRAL MISSOURI STATE UNIVERSITY

>                 (MBA STUDENT)

> ADDRESS:        203 E.CULTON ST. APT.#B

>                 WARRENSBURG MO, 64093

> PHONE NUMBER:   (816)429-1355

>

> ********************************************************





You may need to check with you doctor what he thinks about the state of

the wound.  He may suggst it has to be left for the open air. If he

thinks everything is okay and it is okay to pput soemthing on it some of

these things may help.



Some of my books suggest to clean wounds with a  little honey then a

couple of drops of echinacea then to alternate a poultice of raw grated

potato mixed with a little milk one day with a cabbage leaf pack the

next.



Aloe vera is also good for wounds. If the wound is clean and a straight

cut calendula can sometimes be used. A little golden seal and myrrh

also.



Horsetail and the tissue salts SCF & PC & SP taken internally will help

prevent scar tissue.



Good luck



Beverly Shamon





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scar

From: belinda c fong <bfong02@CCSF.CC.CA.US>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:09:03 -0700

--------

Hi. amornrat:

After I had a c-section,which is a major abdominal surgical procedure,

I also had big wound that was infected. The doctor didn't give me any

antibiotics, but I had a visiting nurse come in to show me how to dress

the wound.  First, if your wound have any debri, you must spray the whole

area with Carrington Cleanser (made of several ingredients including aloe

vera), then apply Carrington gel on sterile guaze pads and insert it into

the wound,cover it with soft pad/guaze with surgical tape or similar type

of paper tape. Do this about 2 to 3 times a day until wound is healing til

not so deep (about 1/2 to 1 inch).At this time, you need to use normal

saline to cleanse the wound, instead of the Carrington Cleanser, then

you can apply the carrington gel on.  When the wound heals more,you will

see a dark line, which should fade with time, but it will still be there.

My doctor said you can try applying vit E oil, but there's no guarantee

that your scar will disappear.  If I hear something new, I'll email you.

The above are my personal experiences, but maybe your nurse or doctor have

better suggestions. Good Luck!

Belinda Fong                 *    *  ****** *      *      ******

bfong02@hills.ccsf.cc.ca.us  *    *  *      *      *      *    *



On Wed, 24 Sep 1997, EHC wrote:



> monthachitra amornrat wrote:

> >

> > Hi members

> >         I just had a surgery 3 week ago. After 13 days, my doctor took string out

> > but the wound is not closed (wide around 1/4 in. from side to side). Now,

> > my wound still  bad. My doctor did not give me any antibiotic. I'm really

> > worried about the scar I will get. Do you have any idea to deal with scar?

> > My friend told me that Vitamin E oil can help. Is it true?

> >         In addition, the skin around the wound become dark. How to make it being

> > the same color as other areas? Hopefully, somebody can help me.

> > Thanks,

> > Amorn

> >

> > ********************************************************

> > NAME:           AMORNRAT MONTHACHITRA

> > INSTITUTION:    CENTRAL MISSOURI STATE UNIVERSITY

> >                 (MBA STUDENT)

> > ADDRESS:        203 E.CULTON ST. APT.#B

> >                 WARRENSBURG MO, 64093

> > PHONE NUMBER:   (816)429-1355

> >

> > ********************************************************

>

>

> You may need to check with you doctor what he thinks about the state of

> the wound.  He may suggst it has to be left for the open air. If he

> thinks everything is okay and it is okay to pput soemthing on it some of

> these things may help.

>

> Some of my books suggest to clean wounds with a  little honey then a

> couple of drops of echinacea then to alternate a poultice of raw grated

> potato mixed with a little milk one day with a cabbage leaf pack the

> next.

>

> Aloe vera is also good for wounds. If the wound is clean and a straight

> cut calendula can sometimes be used. A little golden seal and myrrh

> also.

>

> Horsetail and the tissue salts SCF & PC & SP taken internally will help

> prevent scar tissue.

>

> Good luck

>

> Beverly Shamon

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scar

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 07:55:21 -0400

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In a message dated 97-09-24 02:53:22 EDT, you write:



<< Hi members

         I just had a surgery 3 week ago. After 13 days, my doctor took

string out

 but the wound is not closed (wide around 1/4 in. from side to side). Now,

 my wound still  bad. My doctor did not give me any antibiotic. I'm really

 worried about the scar I will get. Do you have any idea to deal with scar?

 My friend told me that Vitamin E oil can help. Is it true?

         In addition, the skin around the wound become dark. How to make it

being

 the same color as other areas? Hopefully, somebody can help me.

 Thanks,

 Amorn >>



I hope you have called your doctor about this.  That is the first thing you

should do; make sure he knows the wound has opened up again. A 1/4 inch gap

is a bit much.

You might want to put some butterfly tapes (small bandaids that look like a

butterfly) on it to hold it closed until he can see you.



May I ask how long the wound is and where it is?

In the meantime start taking "Super Echinacea" tincture which will act like

an antibiotic.  I wouldn't put anything directly into an open surgical wound

until you hear from your doctor.  When you find out what he says, then please

ask again.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scar

From: Mary Joan Deutschbein <Mjmoongold@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:45:55 -0400

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Monthachitra says

"I just had a surgery 3 week ago. After 13 days, my doctor took string out

but the wound is not closed (wide around 1/4 in. from side to side). Now,

my wound still  bad."



When my father had a heart bypass operation in February I gave him a jar of

burn salve that I had made from Rosemary Gladstar's recipe. He started to

apply it twice a day to the scars on his chest and leg as soon as his doctor

said he could. His scars are flat and have no color. They flattened very

quickly. His doctor is amazed.



You might want to go to an alternative health store, or look through

catalogues for salves that contain the ingredients below and see if it helps.



The recipe contains St. John's Wort, Comfrey leaf and root, and Calendula

flowers soaked in olive oil for two weeks. Strain the oil, add to melted

beeswax and you have a salve. It is very easy to make a salve, but I

recommend novices to do it with someone with experience first to get the

helpful hint parts.



Good luck to you,



Mary Joan Deutschbein

mjmoongold@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scar

From: emapeel <emapeel@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 09:05:28 -0700

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monthachitra amornrat wrote:

>

 I'm really

> worried about the scar I will get. Do you have any idea to deal with scar?

> My friend told me that Vitamin E oil can help.

> Thanks,

> Amorn

>

i was injured in a car accident many years ago to the point that "road

rash" took the skin off my hand to the bone....and yes, vitamin E did

save me!  now you can barely see where any of my injuries were...what it

did to my hand however is a miracle!  i read here earlier this month

that aloe plants applied to the skin will also prevent scarring, it

sounded very successful also.  good luck!



dawne

emapeel@earthlink.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scar

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:42:15 -0800

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At 12:22 AM 9/24/97 -0500, monthachitra amornrat wrote:

>Hi members

>        I just had a surgery 3 week ago. After 13 days, my doctor took

string out

>but the wound is not closed (wide around 1/4 in. from side to side). Now,

>my wound still  bad. My doctor did not give me any antibiotic. I'm really

>worried about the scar I will get. Do you have any idea to deal with scar?

>My friend told me that Vitamin E oil can help. Is it true?



Yes.



>        In addition, the skin around the wound become dark. How to make it

being

>the same color as other areas?



New skin is pinker and brighter than other areas.  Colors should even out

some as time goes and the scar gets older.  Don't worry about it.



Hopefully, somebody can help me.

>Thanks,

>Amorn

>

>********************************************************

>NAME:           AMORNRAT MONTHACHITRA

>INSTITUTION:    CENTRAL MISSOURI STATE UNIVERSITY

>                (MBA STUDENT)

>ADDRESS:        203 E.CULTON ST. APT.#B

>                WARRENSBURG MO, 64093

>PHONE NUMBER:   (816)429-1355

>

>********************************************************

>

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scar

From: "[Sandie Schoenborn]" <SSchoen110@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 07:05:48 -0400

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In response to Amorn concerning your open wound. I have had much experience

in wound care in a hospital setting. You really want to avoid any infection

from occurring. If it is still open your MD may want ot do a culture. In

hospital physical therapy for wound care has become quite high tech. Calcium

alginate (seaweed!) is used often to promote growth of healthy granulation

tissue. However there is also a good chinese herb formula that you might

purchase (from an acupuncturist or other health professional that carries

chinese herbs) called TIEN TA YAO GIN. I have used it sucessfully recently.

Please check out with your MD concerning infection first, otherwise you may

end up with more surgery and the dreaded antibiotics that accompany modern

western medicine!

good luck! let us know how the wound is healing.

Namaste,

Sandie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scar

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:06:36 -0400

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In a message dated 97-09-27 13:44:14 EDT, you write:



In response to Amorn concerning your open wound.



Once you have ruled out infection, diabetes and other problems:

If you have trouble healing, and even small wounds seem to leave larger scars

than they should, please check out the possible occurance of Ehlers-Danlos

Syndrome.  It is a collagen disease that permits loose joints, loose skin,

healing and bleeding problems, etc.  There are about 13 degrees of it, so it

is often overlooked as a cause of many medical problems and can imitate many

other conditions.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: whiplash injury

From: "[Sandie Schoenborn]" <SSchoen110@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 06:13:05 -0400

--------

Chiropractors are good at adjusting the vertebrae. I refer to & receive

referrals from many chiropractors. However..... if you've been getting

adjusted for years (or even only weeks or months) then there is obviously a

weakness, chronic spasm (usually associated with weakness) or blockage of

some type. Physical therapy along with chiropractic adjustments can often

bring about more rapid & permanent relief. There is a reason why the

vertebrae continues to go back out of alignment. You need to address the

cause. Acupuncture is also another good adjunct however it is also passive

treatment. I believe the patient must be "active" in her/his recovery. I am

also happy to point out that many chiropractors today are recommending

therapeutic exercise to their patients.

Just my 2 cents!

Namaste

Sandie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal Ritalin Alternatives?

From: Christina <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 10:02:08 -0500

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Dear List:



I have heard over and over again how Ritalin is not the answer for grade

school children.  I agree.  In fact, I feel that the current culture puts

children on Ritalin as a matter of course, rather than deal with the

children as they did as little as 20 years ago.



I have tried some formulas out there, and viatmin supplements in order to

help deal with the ADD/ADHD situation that my son has.  Can someone

recommend what has worked for them homeopathically?  Ritalin, IMHO is not

the answer, and overall is certainly not to the advantage of most of the

children who are so haphazardly prescribed it nowadays.



Any and all help would be much appreciated.



Em hotep! (In Peace!)



Christina Paul



sekhmet@netins.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Ritalin Alternatives?

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 18:02:50 -0400

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I have yet to find some herb that can repair the neural pathways in the brain

that leads to some ADD ADHD conditions.  But I am still looking.  Anybody on

the list know of any?



My son is 15 and suffers from a milder form of this condition.  Because of

the dosing I see in the pharmacy I can't even consider giving him Ritalin.

 So this summer I did some research into the condition and found three things

helped.



Correction of diet to eliminate sugars, red dyes, MSG, and a lot of junk

food.



Use of phytomedicinals (concentrated plant substances) - he is using

Ambritose and Manaloe which I do get from Mannatech (no commercial interest).

 Yes, I know it's an MLM company,. but the products are superior.  I am

beginning to carry them in the pharmacy for folks who don't want the ritalin.



Dr. Eileen Nauman is currently running trials on a flower essence called

Crimson Columbine.  It is proposed that this corrects brain pathways and also

allows more oxygen to the brain site.  Jake has been in the trial for 8 weeks

so far and WOW - what a change.  His summer school teacher said he noticed a

difference the first week; Jake said he felt different the next day.  Not

only has his whole attitude about school changed, but about homework, and his

commitment to studying.  He is much more patient with adults and teachers and

his self esteem has risen because he can see his marke going up.  Now he has

something to show for all of the hours of studying he must do just to pass a

course.  Dr. Nauman can be reached thru the following web site:



http:www.medicinegarden.com (go to the flower essence section to read up on

them).  You can leave a personal message for her there at the site if you

have a child and are interested in participating in the trials.  I know she

is looking for 10 more subjects.



Apologies for taking herb list time for this, but for some folks who are

desperate not to use ritalin there are alternatives.



Now let's hear about herbs some folks may know of.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Ritalin Alternatives?

From: Paula Spiegel <HERBLY@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:20:15 -0400

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There is evidence that ADD ADHD is linked to mineral deficiencies.  Several

of my friends children started giving there children a colloidal mineral

supplement..It worked!!!!!!

There are several different products on the market.  Most are from MLM`s.

 But, they do work..I`m not involved for profit, but involed for health.

 Contact me personally for information.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: high blood pressure

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 12:30:49 -0400

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Radhakrishnan B wrote:



> Hi everyone.

>

> My friend has blood pressure and he has started to swell. His weight is

> increasing by the day. He is against taking medicines. Is there any way

> to reduce his wait by just dieting. If so, then what type of diet should

> he be recommended.

>

> With Regards,

>

> B.Radhakrishnan



hello,



1) first things first, check his salt and spice intake - both of these

things can cause him to drink alot of water - which can cause swelling

2) check his kidney function - a. if he's not peeing enough this will cause

swelling

    b. color, odour and frequency of urination

    c. pain. yes? no? lower back? when urinating?

i need more information has he been to a doctor, if so what did the doctor

say



3) history -how long has he had high blood pressure, what is the exact

reading



4) other health problems



                        lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Integrative Medicine Resources on the Internet

From: "Mitch Stargrove, ND, LAc, Paracelsus" <Mitch@HEALTHWWWEB.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 11:46:58 -0700

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           Integrative Medicine Resources on the Internet



HealthWWWeb:

Integrative Medicine, Natural Health and Alternative Therapies

http://www.HealthWWWeb.com



IBIS, the Interactive BodyMind Information System

http://www.Integrative-Medicine.com



Paracelsus Clinical Discussions Group





        People want alternatives and every day they are learning more about

natural therapeutics and complementary healthcare. A new integrative

medicine is evolving around us and we all need tools to make that emerging

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information about Nutrition, Herbs, Homeopathy, Acupuncture, and other

forms of natural medicine. Over four years ago, the landmark Eisenberg, et

al, study indicated that approximately one-third of the the general

population in the  U.S.A. seek out some form of non-conventional therapy. A

more recent study found that 50% of patients surveyed said they use some

form of alternative medicine, yet only 53% of those patients had told their

conventional family practice doctors. (March 19, 1997, Archives of Family

Medicine) Whether you are a patient or a health care provider, you may not

necessarily use all (or any) of these increasingly popular therapies, but

as a conscientious patient, responsible professional or responsive

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    AMR'TA, a pioneering organization that four years ago released the most

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    The first website, Integrative Medicine, Natural Health and Alternative

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http://www.HealthWWWeb.com  is the address (URL) of this valuable home

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    The second website provides introductory information on the pioneering

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A tour of IBIS, along with many samples from this 15+ megabyte reference

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    "We all have unique experiences, different perspectives and valid

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    Those wishing to participate in Paracelsus should send a e-mail message

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    AMR'TA, the Alchemical Medicine Research and Teaching Association, is a

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More than 100 medical professionals spent four years compiling and editing

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Coordinator of the Paracelsus discussion list for health care professionals



      Integrative Medicine, Natural Health and Alternative Therapies

  http://www.HealthWWWeb.com         http://www.Integrative-Medicine.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Radhakrishnan B's friend with high blood pressure.

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 14:29:19 -0700

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Your friend needs to be under the treatment of a physician.  High blood

pressure is NOT something to toy with. It is called "the silent killer" for

very good reason.  Your friend MUST take the drugs his doctor prescribes.

 While some herbal remedies may be used as ADJUNCTS to medical care, it

should only be attempted after thorough discussion with the physician in

charge. One should NOT mess around in this arena.The fact that he is

gaining water weight the way you describe is a very serious indication of

another problem arising.  While I am no doctor myself, I have seen these

very symptoms in close family members (my mom & dad).



The BEST thing you can do for your friend right now is to sit him down and

discuss with him how much you value him & his companionship.  Tell him how

it will hurt to see him die because of something which is so treatable.

URGE him to see his doctor again and offer your assistance in getting him

to the doctor.  Offer your aid in helping him to remember to take his drugs

on time.



He may complain that the drugs give him bad side effects.  Sometimes these

side effects will lessen as his body acclimates to the drugs. Sometimes

they won't, and the doctor needs to be notified of this so a change can be

made in the prescription.  The only way to combat high blood pressure is

with direct medical supervision & intervention.



Please, talk this over with your friend and try to talk some sense into him

on this issue.



-----Original Message-----

From:   Radhakrishnan B [SMTP:brk@CRI.CO.IN]

Sent:   Monday, September 15, 1997 11:27 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:



Hi everyone.



My friend has blood pressure and he has started to swell. His weight is

increasing by the day. He is against taking medicines. Is there any way

to reduce his wait by just dieting. If so, then what type of diet should

he be recommended.





With Regards,



B.Radhakrishnan

CRI India [P] Ltd.,

2nd Flr, Temple Towers,

Nandanam, Madras 600 035.

Ph. : +91 44 434 0520/4163/4538

mail : brk@cri.co.in





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Radhakrishnan B's friend with high blood pressure.

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 23:45:04 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-24 17:32:11 EDT, you (teragram@SILCOM.COM (TeraGram)

writes:



<< He may complain that the drugs give him bad side effects.  Sometimes these

 side effects will lessen as his body acclimates to the drugs. Sometimes

 they won't, and the doctor needs to be notified of this so a change can be

 made in the prescription.>>  In the US alone last year  - not in India mind

you - in THIS country - over 150,000 people DIED from "bad side effects" of

prescription drugs - There is a place for the allopathic community - very

definitely I want them there when I have a crisis like a broken bone or

cancer or something of t hat order - but the way to the future is

preventative  medicine -  IF 1/10,000 th of that  - IF 15 people died of

HERBS, the Congress, the drug manufacturer's, the allopaths etc would all be

calling for the immediate regulation and inclusion of all herbs into

conventional pharmacopia by law and the outlawing of natural medicine as we

practice it.



<<  The only way to combat high blood pressure is

 with direct medical supervision & intervention.

  >>

HELLO!!!   HELLO???   are we on thr HERB LIST here???  I sit here in utter

disbelief that someone would tell anyone else   -- on this list  - that there

are not alternatives to controlling blood pressure - herbal or otherwise  -

and then compound that by sending them to an allopath who will almost

certainly prescribe hydrochlorothiazide and lord knows what else to "fix the

problem" or treat the symptomatic problem while allowing the root cause to go

untreated.    The second thing that I find difficult to deal with is that

somehow we all - over here in the US - automatically assume that the person

asking for help on a list such as this has the same access to "good medicine"

that we have,  and that there are no cultural or religious differences which

might proscribe the use of an allopath in other parts of the world.



First - Radhakrishnan's friend - and his problem - we need to know what kind

of weight gain we are talking about - and what it is now - and up from where

and over how long a period - what changes in life  - life style recently -

what is his diet - what is the objection to the use of an allopath - or is it

a simple lack of availability - good, bad - or indifferent in his part of the

country. Is stress a factor?  we need to know a bit (biggggg bit) more to

really be able to help - but -  It is TREATABLE with herbs and supplements!!!

 Accept NO advice that says anything to the contrary - whether the underlying

problem giving rise to the HPB  is treatable or whether a long term impact

can be achieved is really up to the individual with the problem.   Constant

weight gain can be as simple as they opened a dunkin donuts - (nope - don't

own part of this either - no comemrcial interest) or a BGH Burger Prince next

door (though probably not in India), or it could be a very serious metabolic

disorder.  It could be edema caused by an increase in dietary salt or a

hormonal imbalance - and It could be as simple as the guy finally got married

and now has someone to cook for him and he feels it would be insulting to his

new wife to refuse the mounds of food she smothers him with having been told

by her mother that the way to a man's heart is through the stomach.  First

rule when weight gain is unacceptable - is push away from the table - at

least it is in my house  - If need somehting to control the urge to eat -

chromium picolinate and citrimax which are available everywhere really help

to kill the urge to find the gas station next to the donut shop or the one

with the large assortment of snack cakes and pastries .



With regard to our overweight friend, lots of unanswered questions that would

have to be filed in - but - yes there is something he can do RIGHT NOW to

reduce his blood pressure  - I would suggest strongly that he take a

Hawthorn/Linden/Mistletoe extract to strengthen and nourish the heart -  Some

Cayenne 60 MHU to act as a roto rooter and vaso dilator and some Co Q-10.

 This would be a start -  fill in the rest of the puzze and we may also be

able to suggest other things to put him back on the right track,  ]



Green Blessings



Since I'm still drinking Morning Wood - I'll  leave without comment on

cultural differences.

peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Radhakrishnan B's friend with high blood pressure.

From: Marie Morrison <Heathe7420@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 19:02:31 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-25 23:46:51 EDT, NEHrbSup@AOL.COM writes:



<< what is the objection to the use of an allopath >>



What exactly is an allopath?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Radhakrishnan B's friend with high blood pressure.

From: Amelia Randolph <arando@PO-BOX.MCGILL.CA>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:03:54 -0400

--------

An allopath is an MD.  Versus osteopath (DO) or naturopath (ND) or

homeopath.



Marie Morrison wrote:



> In a message dated 97-09-25 23:46:51 EDT, NEHrbSup@AOL.COM writes:

>

> << what is the objection to the use of an allopath >>

>

> What exactly is an allopath?





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Radhakrishnan B's friend with high blood pressure.

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:46:44 -0800

--------

At 07:02 PM 9/26/97 -0400, Marie Morrison wrote:

>In a message dated 97-09-25 23:46:51 EDT, NEHrbSup@AOL.COM writes:

>

><< what is the objection to the use of an allopath >>

>

>What exactly is an allopath?

>

>

As I understand the definition, an allopathic approach is basically that of

interference.  Allopathic medicines are aimed at eliminating pathogens,

fixing it if it's broken, cut it out if it's diseased.  It's basically what

is practiced by modern conventional Medical doctors and surgeons.

Alternative approaches include Homeopathic, Naturopathic, Holistic,

Oriental, Ayurvedic, etc.   Herbal medicine can be used in any of these

paradigms.  Most modern herbalists try to practice in a more holistic

method-- to aid the body to help itself rather than interfering with it.

To a holistic healer it doesn't necessarily matter much about which germ or

virus attacks.  Holistic methods are more effective in long term

degenerative diseases and general weaknesses.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: weird reactions to herbal combination

From: lee pilgrim <weed@MICROTEC.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:23:07 -0400

--------

frankly, i'm puzzled.



has anyone on the list had experience with sage (salvia off.) or

goldenseal (hydrastis canadensis) causing generalized itchiness in

people when used as a gargle?



                                            lee.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: weird reactions to herbal combination

From: NormNDy Farm <sheeper@LAN2WAN.COM>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 09:47:35 -0400

--------

lee,



I have no first hand experience.



Go to Michael Moore's website and download the Herbal Energetics in

Clinical Practice.



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/ManualsMM/MansMM.html



He tells a story of a man who got hives from an herb that he generally

used over and over again for a specific condition and how he developed

his "Herbal Energetics" information because of it.  Lots of good info on

specific herbs and thier WHOLE actions.



Wendy.

--

NormNDy Farm





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Poor Kitty's Bummer

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 17:29:41 -0800

--------

At 11:20 PM 9/23/97 -0400, K. C. Morlock wrote:

>For those who answered, I am taking the kitty to the vet Wednesday at 2:30,

>the soonest I could get her in.  Sure wish I had critter insurance.

>

>Thanks

>

>S.

>

>

 Well, let us know how it goes.  Poor kitty.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Regarding Licorice

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 19:37:23 -0700

--------

Hi there!



I have noticed that Licorice has been recommended here quite a bit lately.

 It IS an extremely powerful herb with many healing qualities.  In fact, I

have learned that Licorice is the #2 "prescribed" herb in China, second

only to ginseng.



However, I would like to point out that licorice CAN be dangerous.  Please

use it with CARE!



Over-use of licorice even in a healthy person can interfere with your

body's mineral balance. (One source states "as little as one ounce of

licorice candy" for too many days in a row... whatever that means).



Further, those on blood pressure medicines such as Lasix (furosemide) or

hydrochlorothiazide, heart medicines such as Lanoxin (digoxin), or

cortisone-type drugs, including prednisone must be EXTRA careful. The

active compounds in licorice can have serious consequences when mixed with

these drugs, even in small amounts.



If you are taking any of these drugs, or drugs similar, please PLEASE talk

with your physician and/or pharmacist before taking licorice.  Make sure

you tell them "REAL" licorice  (Glycyrrhiza glabra) and not anisette

"licorice".



Also know that it should probably NOT be used on small children.  I read

that a while back, probably in a library book, for I have looked in my

references here and can not find the exact reasons.



- Sincerely,

Tera the Cautious. <G>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Regarding Licorice

From: Kathy Haag <KR1989@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:05:33 -0400

--------

I have used licorice on my children when they were teething.  It helped to

numb the gums by chewing on it and helped greatly.  I would be interested to

know why it shouldn't be used.  I have used mint on babies too and have read

not to do that.  On further research I found it wasn't that it was harmful to

them it was that it can get to strong and make them vomit causing suffocation

or choking.

Kathy Haag





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Regarding Licorice

From: "Toni M. Starling" <Tmstar626@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:39:59 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-28 22:13:20 EDT, you write:



<< I have used licorice on my children when they were teething. >>

The main reason that licorice is sometimes considered a problem is that it

raises the blood pressure.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbal  ritalin alternatives?

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Wed, 24 Sep 1997 20:54:54 -0700

--------

If I might be so crude and crass to ask, what are the

symptoms of ADD and/or ADHD?

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbal  ritalin alternatives?

From: Alma Butterfield <Mombutter@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 00:17:27 -0400

--------

If I might be so crude and crass to ask, what are the

symptoms of ADD and/or ADHD?

Linda S.





Linda,



I am an adult with ADD and my main symptom is attention span or rather the

lack of it.  It is difficult for me to concentrate on any one thing for any

length of time.

As the sister and aunt of ADHD children (and adults), the hyperactivity

greatly shortens the attention span.  They are very impulsive.  They don't

think about the consequences of their actions untill it is too late.  They

can't help it.  If I can help you further with ADD/ADHD contact me privatly.



Alma                   Mombutter@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbal  ritalin alternatives?

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:05:12 -0400

--------

ADD is Attention Deficit Disorder

ADHD is Attention Deficit Hyperactive Disorder





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Partially Collapsed Lung

From: Miekal And <dtv@MWT.NET>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 15:37:55 +0100

--------

My friend is recovering from pnemonia & the coughing fits have brought

on a partially collapsed lung.  She has been taking anti-biotics & is

take generic robitussen to dry out her lungs & reduced fluid in them.

We are particularly interested what herbal recommendations folks have

for strengthening & rebuilding her lungs.  Also the coughing is almost

completely at night when she is lying down, & have been using a hops,

lemon balm, mullein decoction which seems to work fine but I wonder if

folks feel hops would be too strong of an herb for someone recovering

from pnemonia?





Miekal And





--

@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#

Dreamtime Village website: http://net22.com/dreamtime

QAZINGULAZA: And/Was/Wakest website:

http://net22.com/qazingulaza

e-mail for DT & And/Was: dtv@mwt.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Partially Collapsed Lung

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 13:55:07 -0700

--------

I can't answer your question on point. However, I would like to recommend

that she add Peppermint or Spearmint tea to the regimen. These mints are

mild, good tasting, and have two benefits:

1.) Help thin the mucous secretions.

2.) Eases nausea which often accompanies pneumonia as the patient swallows

excess mucous. (ICK!  but it happens).



Also know that your friend should avoid milk products during her recovery.

Milk & cream especially. There is a protein present in them which can

increase mucous production, which is something she definately wants to

avoid.



- T (who has had pneumonia 28 times in her life!)





On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Miekal And wrote:



> My friend is recovering from pnemonia & the coughing fits have brought

> on a partially collapsed lung.  She has been taking anti-biotics & is

> take generic robitussen to dry out her lungs & reduced fluid in them.

> We are particularly interested what herbal recommendations folks have

> for strengthening & rebuilding her lungs.  Also the coughing is almost

> completely at night when she is lying down, & have been using a hops,

> lemon balm, mullein decoction which seems to work fine but I wonder if

> folks feel hops would be too strong of an herb for someone recovering

> from pnemonia?

>

>

> Miekal And

>

>

> --

> @#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#

> Dreamtime Village website: http://net22.com/dreamtime

> QAZINGULAZA: And/Was/Wakest website:

> http://net22.com/qazingulaza

> e-mail for DT & And/Was: dtv@mwt.net

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Partially Collapsed Lung

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:44:43 -0800

--------

At 01:55 PM 9/25/97 -0700, TeraGram wrote:

>I can't answer your question on point. However, I would like to recommend

>that she add Peppermint or Spearmint tea to the regimen. These mints are

>mild, good tasting, and have two benefits:

>1.) Help thin the mucous secretions.

>2.) Eases nausea which often accompanies pneumonia as the patient swallows

>excess mucous. (ICK!  but it happens).

>

>Also know that your friend should avoid milk products during her recovery.

>Milk & cream especially. There is a protein present in them which can

>increase mucous production, which is something she definately wants to

>avoid.

>

>- T (who has had pneumonia 28 times in her life!)

>

>

>On Thu, 25 Sep 1997, Miekal And wrote:

>

>> My friend is recovering from pnemonia & the coughing fits have brought

>> on a partially collapsed lung.  She has been taking anti-biotics & is

>> take generic robitussen to dry out her lungs & reduced fluid in them.

>> We are particularly interested what herbal recommendations folks have

>> for strengthening & rebuilding her lungs.  Also the coughing is almost

>> completely at night when she is lying down, & have been using a hops,

>> lemon balm, mullein decoction which seems to work fine but I wonder if

>> folks feel hops would be too strong of an herb for someone recovering

>> from pnemonia?



No.

However, horehound is the strongest lung expectorant known to man.  It is

often used in cases like this.  Another (however unpleasant) old remedy is

a fried onion plaster.

Some herbs that can be helpful include Drosera spp. and Coptis spp. which

actually help eliminate the pneumococcus.  A good herb to "dry" the lungs

is Elecampane.  Just don't use it if the lungs are already too dry and hot.

 Pleurisy root is considered specific for pneumonia.  Other helpful herbs

include: Goldenseal root, Echinacea, Garlic, Yarrow, Comfrey, Cayenne,

Eucalyptus, Valerian, Angelica.

And drink LOTS and LOTS of water.  Pear juice also helps eliminate phlegm

in HOT lung conditions (lingering bronchitis or pneumonia).

>>

>>

>> Miekal And

>>

>>

>> --

>> @#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#@#

>> Dreamtime Village website: http://net22.com/dreamtime

>> QAZINGULAZA: And/Was/Wakest website:

>> http://net22.com/qazingulaza

>> e-mail for DT & And/Was: dtv@mwt.net

>>

>

>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Partially Collapsed Lung

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:03:05 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 13:48:00 EDT, you write:



<< >> My friend is recovering from pnemonia & the coughing fits have brought

 >> on a partially collapsed lung.  She has been taking anti-biotics & is

 >> take generic robitussen to dry out her lungs & reduced fluid in them. >>



I am not familiar with the requirement for reduced fluid for a collapsed

lung, but generally you don't want to reduce the mucous in lung conditions

because that is what is taking the bacteria or virus out of the body.



I assume the lung is no longer collapsed?



Try Lobelia tincture to relieve the spasms and bring up the mucous more

easily.  Available in most healthfood stores.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Partially Collapsed Lung

From: Mitzi <mitzeli@PRODIGY.NET>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 23:50:19 -0500

--------

>I am not familiar with the requirement for reduced fluid for a collapsed

>lung, but generally you don't want to reduce the mucous in lung conditions

>because that is what is taking the bacteria or virus out of the body.

>

>I assume the lung is no longer collapsed?

>

>Try Lobelia tincture to relieve the spasms and bring up the mucous more

>easily.  Available in most healthfood stores.

>

>Traiteusse@aol.com

>Henrietta Lala

>

Robitussin or quaifenesin does not dry out the lungs, it is a weeping type

medicine that draws fluid into the congested area to loosen the phlegm so

it may be expelled.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Not tonight dear

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 07:06:42 -0800

--------

I just did a little research on this problem.  It seems there is a Chinese

remedy called Bajitian.  The herb is Morinda root.   I think Nature's

Sunshine products carry Morinda (no commercial interest).  But please, no

more fruit fasts.  Soups and stews would be excellent providing liquid,

nutrients and easily digestable food.  Remember--warm food=hot nights.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Belinda's problem with eczema

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 25 Sep 1997 22:48:26 -0400

--------

Belinda,



Since you mention hypo-allergenic as a need, I suspect that you know about

the zillions of bad things in both over the counter and prescription meds for

your problem and that of your daughter.  Because of the myriad of potential

triggers for this condition, it is difficult to even start to maek some

suggestions. That said , however, I will go out on a limb and make some

anyway to get you going.  Frrst - if you are going to eat eggs - cook them

till they can be used as coasters  - or till you KNOW there is no longer any

uncooked liquid in the egg - yolk or white - there are things in raw eggs

that prevent the body from using the biotin that is necessary for your skin

to heal -  then get a bottle of biotin at the health food store and take as

the bottle says - try cleansing your lower digestive tract with psyllium husk

every one or two weeks.



I would also give a serious look at your diet - and what could be

precipitating the problem - we have generally found that skin problems are

related to diet and allergens that you may or may not be aware of in your

diet and general environment.  Since this is bothering both you and your

daughter - look at the similarities - cut out sugars - grains - gluten foods

- fats and fried foods  - Mcdonalds Burger King etc (very definitely NO

COMMERCIAL INTEREST)  - tv dinners - etct etc etc and anything else that is

not started from scratch in your kitchen.  Until you have cleansed out your

system and lived on a very bland diet of rice and organic milk for a week, I

would even stay out fo the local restarurants.   No cosmetics either

permitted during this period . If you are fighting a current outbreak,  try a

salve or cream made with goldenseal (not during pregnancy) and chaparral

(external use only) with a little cocoa butter and some honey.   In addition,

I would suggest that you take a goldenseal, myrrh, and Pau'd Arco in a

capsule - one week on - 10 days off - for a while - I would also take some

Kelp and Zinc to promote healing - If budget is not too much of a problem and

you like fish, I would eat at least two helpings of salmon or another "oily"

fish twice a week to get the beneficial fatty acids into your system to

lubricate the skin.  You can also rub vitamine e directly on the skin - I

would say that this is enough to start with - get back to me - on list or

privately for more when you have started the above.

Peter.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Belinda's problem with eczema

From: "T'ainne Segal" <seagul1@VOICENET.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 02:16:19 -0400

--------

Just a quick note ... I have used Aveeno bath oil (Dont buy the soap or the

lotion as they do not help the itch) rubbed directly on the itchy areas and

used it as my only shower/bath 'soap'.   This helped my eczema when nothing

else would.



I don't have the bottle in front of me but its main ingredients are Mineral

Oil and Colloidal oatmeal.



Speaking of oatmeal .... eating oatmeal (whole oat groats or organic whole

flakes not instant) helps calm your nerves (it actually helps to rebuild the

sheath surrounding the nerve) which tend to get very irritated with the

stress of intense itching.

Hope this helps



Since you both have Eczema have you considered chemical causes like a change

in laundry detergent, fabric softener, any other new chemicals brought into

the house .... flea collars, spray etc....?



T'ainne

I





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: high blood pressure and so forth

From: Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 00:31:31 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-25 23:47:19 EDT, Peter wrote, in part:



"...The second thing that I find difficult to deal with is that

 somehow we all - over here in the US - automatically assume that the person

 asking for help on a list such as this has the same access to "good

medicine"

 that we have,  and that there are no cultural or religious differences which

 might proscribe the use of an allopath in other parts of the world..."



Esp. now that the US (and elsewhere) is becoming so very culturally

diversified and economically stratified.



Thanks Peter, for pointing this out (to those of us lucky enough to afford

access to online services).

kai

KaiforChi@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nettle seeds

From: Conrad Richter <conrad@RICHTERS.COM>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 12:06:25 -0400

--------

> From: bbrom <bbrom@IBM.NET>

>

> Here is there address for whoever is interested.  I found it this

> morning.

> Betty

>

> http://www.chatlink.com/~herbseed/Welcome.html

>

> > Try Horizon Herbs in Williams, Oregon (no commercial interest)

> > They have much better prices than Richter's or Frontier.  Many more seeds

> > for

> > the dollar.  Great selection and they offer grower advice over the phone.



I don't know how anyone can come to the conclusion that Richters is

more expensive.  That might be true on some few varieties, but over all

Richters is very competitive indeed!  It is important to remember that

all our prices are in Canadian dollars.  Many of our seeds are $1.25 per

packet, and that translates to less than a dollar in U.S. funds.  Plus,

there are very few companies that can sell in bulk quantities, so if you

need more than a few packets of seed, you will pay through the nose for

your seeds.  At Richters, we sell quantities from packets to tens of

kilograms, should you need that much.



One other thing: some companies are now publishing the number of seeds

per packet -- 50 seeds, 75 seeds, etc.  Sounds like a lot to the uninformed,

but it is not a lot at all.  Many of our packets contain 100s of seeds, and

some cases 1000s.  If you are sowing outdoors, for example, you need large

numbers of seeds because proportionally few seeds will germinate in the

garden as compared to, say, a seed flat or a seed test blotter.  Plus, when

you sow directly you need to thin out 5-10 plants for every one you want to

keep.



As for support for growers, we have technical support people on staff who

can answer any questions about germinating seeds.



Conrad Richter



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Jewel Weed

From: becky byla <byla@CALSHP.CALS.WISC.EDU>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 11:26:38 -0500

--------

Has anyone heard of using jewel weed for rashes

such as poison ivey? And does anyone know what

the genus and species is?

Thanks!

Becky





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Jewel Weed

From: Alan Dolinsky <Adolinskqu@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:12:46 -0400

--------

I used jewel for poison ivy  in 1955...it worked....you are the first person

that indicated any knowledge about this

good luck,

Adolinskqu@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Jewel Weed

From: Kathy Samuelson <RUnotWHOur@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:15:47 -0400

--------

I had a wicked case of poison ivy 2 weeks ago and jewel weed all over my

yard. So I picked a bunch (whole plant) steeped it in boiled water, let sit

for a couple of hours,

used it & it was miraculous. Also good for bee stings. Euell Gibbons also

says in one of his books that it will PREVENT poison ivy if you apply before

you go out into the nasty weed. Kat





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Jewel Weed

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:25:56 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-28 18:17:03 EDT, you write:



<< I had a wicked case of poison ivy 2 weeks ago and jewel weed all over my

 yard. So I picked a bunch (whole plant) steeped it in boiled water, let sit

 for a couple of hours,

 used it & it was miraculous. Also good for bee stings. Euell Gibbons also

 says in one of his books that it will PREVENT poison ivy if you apply before

 you go out into the nasty weed. Kat >>



Using Jewel Weed is an old remedy that goes way back.

May I ask where you live?

I would love to see  people post area information when they tell about

picking an herb.  NOt to reveal their own location if they want to keep

information about themselves private, but the general zone and part of the

USA, UK, etc.  That way I can know if I should be looking out for it in my

area.  It is interesting to see the blooming of a plant work its way across

and up and down the country.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala

9/28/97 (Sunday)





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Jewel Weed

From: Kathy Samuelson <RUnotWHOur@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:41:16 -0400

--------

Triateusse- I love the name what does it mean? The jewel weed to which I

refer to grows in abundance all over here in Connecticut. It is considered a

nuisance by most folks as once it starts it is prolific. If they only knew

what a little "gift" it was. Kathy





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Jewel Weed

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:50:34 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-28 18:42:23 EDT, you write:



<< Triateusse- I love the name what does it mean?  >>



The Cajuns call  a healer a "Traiteur."  A female healer is a "Traiteuse."  I

added an extra s on a whim.  I am considered a "Traiteuse."  It is only used

to designate someone who has been given a gift of healing.  It is pronounced

tray-toose(sort of), with the r sort of rolled off the tongue in the

French-Cajun manner.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala

9/28/97





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Jewel Weed

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:25:54 -0500

--------

Being the little curious cat that I am...I was not familiar with

Jewelweed and of course looked it up.For others out there who might

also be "curious" this is the description I found...those familiar

with the plant

PLEASE feel free to correct me or add on..



Briefly: Jewelweed is a common name given to the Touch-me-not family..

.they are "Impatiens...flowers about 1" long dangling from a long

stalk..the flowers have a short inward curved spur at the back.

Leaves are egg-shaped coarsely toothed. Fruit a plump pod that

explodes when ripe. Stem succulent, 2-5' high. Moist places blooming

from summer to early fall.



Spotted Touch me not I. capensis Orange flowers, spotted with red-

brown, longer than broad..spur bent underneath and parallel to the

flower.



Pale Touch me Not I. pallida..yellow flowers less spotted than above

and about as broad as long. SPur short at right angle to the flower.

Mostly in limestone regions.



Will keep my eyes out...love the implications for helping with Poison

Ivy...and beestings..thanx for the info.



Annwyn/Linda





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Jewel Weed

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:18:29 -0400

--------

Jewel weed, impatiens capensis or pallida, often grows near poison ivy.

Take the entire plant and juice it up in a blender.  Glop on several

times a day until the poison ivy is gone.



Has anyone tried this with domestic impatiens?  I wouldn't be suprised if

it works.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Jewel Weed

From: John <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:48:34 -0500

--------

I to would like to know if this works with the impatients that you but at the local nursery. As far as I know I have never seen impatients im Mississippi. Maybe i do not know what the wild version looks like, John    jfoster@ebicom.net



----------

From:   Karen Vaughan[SMTP:creationsgarden@JUNO.COM]

Sent:   Monday, September 29, 1997 6:18 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: Jewel Weed



Jewel weed, impatiens capensis or pallida, often grows near poison ivy.

Take the entire plant and juice it up in a blender.  Glop on several

times a day until the poison ivy is gone.



Has anyone tried this with domestic impatiens?  I wouldn't be suprised if

it works.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Tendonitis

From: Connie Williams <willys@LVDI.NET>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:14:09 -0700

--------

Would anyone have any suggestions for help for tendonitis, located anterior

to the elbow, that has been given up on by the medical community? This lady

has suffered with this condition for 5 months, brought on by "bumping her

elbow at work". TIA.

Connie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:12:57 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 13:42:05 EDT, you write:



<< Would anyone have any suggestions for help for tendonitis, located

anterior

 to the elbow, that has been given up on by the medical community? This lady

 has suffered with this condition for 5 months, brought on by "bumping her

 elbow at work". TIA.

 Connie >>



Was it xrayed to see if a bone chip was present?



St. John's Wort Essential Oil in a massage oil base helps tendonitis if

massaged in, and also take the tincture by mouth.

Also, try Super Echinacea tincture by mouth for at least 7 days.

A Castor Oil pack (Edgar Cayce remedy), applied for 1/2 hr. twice a day.

 Saturate a piece of 100% white wool or cotton cloth with Castor Oil.  Place

on area, wrap a piece of plastic wrap around it, and then a handtowel.  This

can be left on overnight.



Is there heat present in the area?  Is it sore to the touch or only on

movement or both?



Traituesse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:02:22 -0700

--------

Henrietta Lala wrote:

>

> In a message dated 97-09-27 13:42:05 EDT, you write:

>

> << Would anyone have any suggestions for help for tendonitis, located

> anterior

>  to the elbow, that has been given up on by the medical community? This lady

>  has suffered with this condition for 5 months, brought on by "bumping her

>  elbow at work". TIA.

>  Connie >>

>

> Was it xrayed to see if a bone chip was present?

>

> St. John's Wort Essential Oil in a massage oil base helps tendonitis if

> massaged in, and also take the tincture by mouth.

> Also, try Super Echinacea tincture by mouth for at least 7 days.

> A Castor Oil pack (Edgar Cayce remedy), applied for 1/2 hr. twice a day.

>  Saturate a piece of 100% white wool or cotton cloth with Castor Oil.  Place

> on area, wrap a piece of plastic wrap around it, and then a handtowel.  This

> can be left on overnight.

>

> Is there heat present in the area?  Is it sore to the touch or only on

> movement or both?

>

> Traituesse@aol.com

> Henrietta Lala

You might also consider soaking red pepper in alcohol (vodka is fine),

and applying a cloth saturated with the mixture directly to the joint

area.  It is basically an "herbal" capsaicin preparation.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: Richard Morgan <Audio001@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:15:15 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 14:48:47 EDT, you write:



<< << Would anyone have any suggestions for help for tendonitis, located

 anterior

  to the elbow, that has been given up on by the medical community? This lady

  has suffered with this condition for 5 months, brought on by "bumping her

  elbow at work". TIA.

  Connie >>

  >>



I wear a copper bracelet for my tendonitus. Seems to work really well. Pure

copper is essential.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: Marie Morrison <Heathe7420@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:15:53 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 14:48:49 EDT, TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM writes:



<< St. John's Wort Essential Oil in a massage oil base helps tendonitis if

 massaged in, and also take the tincture by mouth.

 Also, try Super Echinacea tincture by mouth for at least 7 days.

 A Castor Oil pack (Edgar Cayce remedy), applied for 1/2 hr. twice a day.

  Saturate a piece of 100% white wool or cotton cloth with Castor Oil.  Place

 on area, wrap a piece of plastic wrap around it, and then a handtowel.  This

 can be left on overnight. >>



This sounds good to me, I printed it out for future reference.  I also use a

Slippery Elm poultice for my skiier's thumb.  Use enough of the herb to

thoroughly cover the affected area.  Too much is better than not enough.

 Thoroughly wet the herb in hot boiling water until thoroughly moistened.

 Wrap in a peice of cloth and apply to the affected area.  Most herb books

have clear directions on making poultices.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: vic hlushak <vic_hlushak@BC.SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:25:42 -0700

--------

At 08:15 PM 9/27/97 -0400, you wrote:

>In a message dated 97-09-27 14:48:47 EDT, you write:

>

><< << Would anyone have any suggestions for help for tendonitis, located

> anterior

>  to the elbow, that has been given up on by the medical community? This lady

>  has suffered with this condition for 5 months, brought on by "bumping her

>  elbow at work". TIA.

>  Connie >>

>  >>

>



Hi all,



I didn't see anyone mention ginger and turmeric. I use it all the time for

bursitis. My wife had a bad case of tennis elbow a few months ago. Two

weeks of 3 00 size caps a day of the turmeric did the trick..



vic

............................................................................

..........

Vic Hlushak

Kelowna ,BC. Canada

"A man who has failed his family has failed in life"

............................................................................

............





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: Vctor Lara <vlara@INFOVIA.COM.GT>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 13:01:54 -0700

--------

Vic Hlushak, Kelowna ,BC. Canada

wrote:

>...Two weeks of 3 00 size caps a day of the turmeric...



could you give info about tumeric caps, where I can get them??  what

measure is "size"

thank you



Victor Lara

Guatemala City, CA





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: "Mitra, Mancha & Mo" <coolmot@FLINET.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 16:41:52 +0000

--------

Are tumeric caps found in the health food stores, or is there a special

place to get them??





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: "[Sandie Schoenborn]" <SSchoen110@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 04:58:26 -0400

--------

When you say the medical community are you speaking of her doctor or other

medical professionals as well?



Has she tried physical therapy? I treat tendonitis with exellent success

daily! Also acupuncture is a good modality. I'm just learning about the herbs

..... I'm sure there are good ones out there that can be used orally or

topically..... perhaps in conjunction with PT or acupuncture.



Namaste,

Sandie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:36:04 -0700

--------

At 10:14 AM 9/26/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Would anyone have any suggestions for help for tendonitis, located anterior

>to the elbow, that has been given up on by the medical community? This lady

>has suffered with this condition for 5 months, brought on by "bumping her

>elbow at work". TIA.

>Connie

>

>



I dug out this old post from a while back. I wrote it in the middle of

winter last year. It will apply to this question also.  But we would need

to be sure it was tendonitis, not a fracture or chipped bone, etc.







 you wrote:

>>My 20 year old son just called me and he has ulneritis (hope I am spelling

>>it right) with slight tendonitis in his right arm.  He is a pitcher on his

>>college baseball team and this problem is causing him great pain, physically

>>and mentally, because now he can't pitch and is moving toward depression.

>>He lives in Lake Worth, Florida and I live in Tennessee....and it is really

>>difficult to get a grasp of his emotions etc. over the phone.

>>

>>The doctor has told him the ulner nerve is inflamed and the tendons around

>>the elbow are inflamed.



Anita says:

>Forget the steroids.



I agree with Anita ... steroids in my mind is always a last resort tactic

in life threatening situations. Steroids slow the healing response ...

which stops the inflammation and makes him feel better, perhaps good enough

to pitch again, and re-injure the arm. But then who am I to second guess a

doctor without more information.



If I am not missing some diagnostic puzzle pieces, and he has an inflamed

nerve and tendons, then I'd say this:



St John's Wort Oil (or fresh poultice for those with plenty of time in the

southern hemisphere) externally at least three time a day on the injured

area. Hypericum will help promote the healing, and especially targets the

nervous system. I use it for any nerve injuries.

Comfrey Oil (or fresh poultice for those with plenty of time in the

southern hemisphere) externally at least three time a day on the injured

area. Comfrey will help promote the healing, and has proven useful in my

experience for muscle and tendon problems as well as bones. I consider it

specific for any tendinitis/tenosynovitis problems.



Lobelia Oil, Lobelia Vinegar externally as a muscle relaxant as needed for

pain. Loosen these up and they'll be less stress on those tendons. This

system has a tendency to contract after injury, leading to more pain, and a

greater chance of re-injury. Lobelia is strong enough to be effective

externally.



Internal herbs might include a St John's Wort/Comfrey (gasp ..... ) mixture

at four droppers 3x a day for the reasons mentioned above. Comfrey can be a

bag of worms, so I won't say much except use Symphytum officinalis (the low

alkaloid kind). We could debate this forever, read the latest issue of the

European Journal of Herbal Medicine, and everything else. It's bad press

around here now-a-days to tell someone to take comfrey internally, so I

won't. Make up your own mind. If you have any problems with the idea of

using it, don't use it! Herbpharm produces an extract with the alkaloids

removed. I personally would use comfrey inside if I had this problem.



By the way, I disclaim any connection with Herbpharm .... oops, I do have a

connection, they are competitors! Oh well!



Other internal herbs :

Skullcap, Valerian, etc. as determined by constitution three to four

droppers as needed for pain. Those calming herbs will relax the muscles,

helping with the pain as mentioned before. Plus pain is one third real

pain, one third remembered pain (oh it hurt so bad when I injured it), one

third anticipated pain (oh if I move it, it will hurt). The calming herbs

will help him forget about the pain if he is focused on it. Plus it may

help with his head-space (that's his emotions for those far away from my

slang in the rainy cold Christmas tree forests of the Pacific Northwest.)



Willow, Oak, Poplar --- Those salicylate herbs are like aspirin for pain

management and control of inflammation. Band-aid herbs.





Other factors for healing include diet and stress. Reduce the stress as

much as possible. Do not take caffeine or other stimulants .... coffee,

tea, etc. You be surprised how many folks with slow healing tendinitis

drink coffee ... not realizing that after every cup their tendonitis starts

to ache.



Medical professionals usually immobilize the area for a while. But after a

time, then you need to use the arm again. When I had tendinitis in my

wrist, I was told to immobilize it. I put my arm in a sling. After a few

days it got worse, the pain spreading to my elbow, eventually beginning to

hurt in my shoulder. Freaking out, I went back to the doctor, and he said

it was all healed. The pain was from the immobilization of the arm, just

use it. I did and was healed. Some people with long term tendinitis are at

that stage and just need to sensibly use the tendons and rebuild their

strength. I doubt this will apply to the recently injured pitcher, but it

may apply to others. I can't say when the time to start using an injured

area is .... that the doctor/naturopath/medical herbalist's job.





Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



"I hope that's Valerian I smell!"





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: Stacey <swreath@NETPLUSCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:34:04 -0700

--------

Not herbal remedy, but quercetin is good for lots of inflammatory

conditions including tendinitis.  You can get it at a health food

store.  The usual dose is 400 mg twice a day between meals.  Some brands

also include bromelain (pinapple enzyme) which is supposed to help

absorption.



***********************************************

Stacey

mailto:swreath@netpluscom.com

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2723/

***********************************************





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: vic hlushak <vic_hlushak@BC.SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:40:10 -0700

--------

At 01:01 PM 9/28/97 -0700, you wrote:

>Vic Hlushak, Kelowna ,BC. Canada

>wrote:

>>...Two weeks of 3 00 size caps a day of the turmeric...

>

>could you give info about tumeric caps, where I can get them??  what

>measure is "size"

>thank you

>

>Victor Lara

>Guatemala City, CA

>

I make my own up, I buy the turmeric spice from the grocery store and make

up "00" size gel caps. Works very well esp. with ginger.



TTYAL



vic

............................................................................

..........

Vic Hlushak

Kelowna ,BC. Canada

"A man who has failed his family has failed in life"

............................................................................

............





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruit - chocolates

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 10:29:37 -0800

--------

At 07:05 AM 9/26/97 -0700, Paula Warner wrote:

>WARNING!!!  Don't be surprised if you get royally chewed out for talking more

>about chocolate by the list owner.  She doesn't like unrelated topics or

HUMOR.

>

>

>

Ah but Cocoa (Cacao) is an interesting herb.  The Aztecs called it "food of

the Gods", and only the elite were allowed to use it.  It was given to

Pizarro in his honor and respect (before he killed the Aztec leaders and

killed all of them he could find because they wouldn't give him enough

gold).  It has a great history and even some purported medicinal uses

(which I'd have to look up).

Anyway, I think it certainly could be VERY "on topic" for this list.  Just

call chocolates "sugar and oil preserved Cacao".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruit - chocolates

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:54:43 -0500

--------

We could also discuss this in the context of other herbs subject to

habitual overuse, like coffee and tea.



On Fri, 26 Sep 1997, Anita Hales wrote:



> At 07:05 AM 9/26/97 -0700, Paula Warner wrote:

> >WARNING!!!  Don't be surprised if you get royally chewed out for talking more

> >about chocolate by the list owner.  She doesn't like unrelated topics or

> HUMOR.

> >

> >

> >

> Ah but Cocoa (Cacao) is an interesting herb.  The Aztecs called it "food of

> the Gods", and only the elite were allowed to use it.  It was given to

> Pizarro in his honor and respect (before he killed the Aztec leaders and

> killed all of them he could find because they wouldn't give him enough

> gold).  It has a great history and even some purported medicinal uses

> (which I'd have to look up).

> Anyway, I think it certainly could be VERY "on topic" for this list.  Just

> call chocolates "sugar and oil preserved Cacao".

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: western patent herbal medicine

From: "Dr.Zhan H.Zhang,MD.,Ph.D." <acup@PUBLIC.BTA.NET.CN>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:13:50 +0800

--------

anybody can tell me the most effective western herbal medicine

aviable?

zhang





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: western patent herbal medicine

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 13:47:57 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 13:36:19 EDT, you write:



<< anybody can tell me the most effective western herbal medicine

 aviable?

 zhang

  >>



For what?



A.  Or, do you mean that if we had to choose only one herbal medicine already

prepared and marketed, and only one, which one would it be?



B.  If civilization came to an end while I was in the healthfood store and I

could only reach out to grab one herbal remedy what would it be?



C.  Or, which particular brand of what particular herb is the top selling

product today?



D.  Is there a particular herb  on the market that covers all bases?



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: western patent herbal medicine

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:34:28 -0800

--------

At 05:13 AM 9/27/97 +0800, Dr.Zhan H.Zhang,MD.,Ph.D. wrote:

>anybody can tell me the most effective western herbal medicine

>aviable?

>zhang

>

>

I don't believe there ARE any western herbal patent medicines in the same

vein as Chinese patent medicines.  There are combinations preferred by

certain herbalists for certain conditions.  It would certainly help if you

mentioned a condition to be used as an example.  There's alot of

differences of opinion.  There are herbal remedies which have a government

patent.  That doesn't make them necessarily effective.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: western patent herbal medicine

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:23:43 GMT

--------

On Sat, 27 Sep 1997 05:13:50 +0800, "Dr.Zhan H.Zhang,MD.,Ph.D."

<acup@PUBLIC.BTA.NET.CN> wrote to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>anybody can tell me the most effective western herbal medicine aviable?



For most of us that depends on

- the time of day: evening? pass me the Hyssopus please.

- the time of year: autumn? roots, roots, roots, roots, and some fruit and

seeds. And the last Calendula flowers.

- what we've been handling lately: anybody ever use Leuzea rhaponticum, aka

Rhaponticum carthamoides, aka Leuzea carthamoides, aka maral root, a Russian

(Siberian, actually) adaptogen? It grows beautifully large (2+ meters), and I

just got half a kilo of fresh root. It looks and feels like wire (yes, it is

fresh - I dug it up myself), and is practically impossible to break down into

smaller pieces. I had to use an ax on the main clump to get it to separate into

strands - whew!). I'm tincturing it as we speak. Yes, I saved some pieces for

planting in -my- herb garden later this week.

- what we've been using lately: Rose petal tincture? Tastes like perfume but is

very good anyway. Weird stuff.

- what we've been talking/reading about lately: Artemisia absinthium (lots of

posts in alt.folklore.herbs right now), tincture: I'll decant mine in another

week, and don't actually want to touch it myself; I need volunteers to taste the

'bitter horror'. Anyone? I'll let you taste the Artemisia ludoviciana (?)

'hedlii' white sage tinct as a reward (now -that- one's good. Tastes almost like

osha. Howie, what white sage would do that? Fresh, in full flower, 1:3, 45%), if

you come over to taste the A.absinthium tinct.

and perhaps

- whatever fancy has struck us lately.



So if you narrow it down a bit you're sure to get lots of replies.



Cheers

Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: western patent herbal medicine

From: Miekal And <dtv@MWT.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:45:14 +0100

--------

Henriette Kress wrote:



 Anyone? I'll let you taste the Artemisia ludoviciana (?)

> 'hedlii' white sage tinct as a reward (now -that- one's good. Tastes almost like

> osha. Howie, what white sage would do that? Fresh, in full flower, 1:3, 45%), if

> you come over to taste the A.absinthium tinct.





Henriette:



in this usage what does the 1:3 mean?





miekal





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: western patent herbal medicine

From: Miekal And <dtv@MWT.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:49:08 +0100

--------

Henriette Kress wrote:







> - what we've been handling lately: anybody ever use Leuzea rhaponticum, aka

> Rhaponticum carthamoides, aka Leuzea carthamoides, aka maral root, a Russian

> (Siberian, actually) adaptogen? It grows beautifully large (2+ meters), and I

> just got half a kilo of fresh root. It looks and feels like wire (yes, it is

> fresh - I dug it up myself), and is practically impossible to break down into

> smaller pieces. I had to use an ax on the main clump to get it to separate into

> strands - whew!). I'm tincturing it as we speak.



hardy to what zone?  & what kind of growing conditions does it need?

does it have specific uses?





miekal







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Relief from gout

From: Broadus Lindsay <BroadusL@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 20:18:22 -0400

--------

Hi group!



This is my first posting, but I know you will be of great help. So here we

go! My step-father has a terrible cas of gout in his left foot and ankle.

What I'm trying to find out, is are there any herbal relief for the pain and

swelling associated with this disease. All suggestions will be appreciated.

And again, Thanks for your help.





Good Health and God Bless.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Relief from gout

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:39:55 +1000

--------

EHC wrote:

>

> Broadus Lindsay wrote:

> >

> > Hi group!

> >

> > This is my first posting, but I know you will be of great help. So here we

> > go! My step-father has a terrible cas of gout in his left foot and ankle.

> > What I'm trying to find out, is are there any herbal relief for the pain and

> > swelling associated with this disease. All suggestions will be appreciated.

> > And again, Thanks for your help.

> >

> > Good Health and God Bless.

>

> Dear  Broadus Lindsay,

>

>         Vinegar baths will help to draw uric acid through the skin.

>

>         Diet - a purine free [lowers serum urate levels] diet.

>         ie omit shellfish, meat, organ meat, yeast, herring, mackerel,

> anchovies, alcohol, mushrooms.

>

>         Increase consumption of complex carbs. Gout usually disappears in

> times of need ie war as people go back to staple foodstuffs.

>         Eat only a little fowl & fish. Low fat. Eat beetroot, cherries,         use

> vege. juices ie carrot/celery/raw potato/parsley to alkalize    the body.

> Drink 8-10 glasses of water day.

>

>         Use sodium phosphate tissue salts to form natural bicarbonates          in the

> system and so to alkalinize the system and iron phosphate       to relieve

> the acute inflamation.

>

>         Put safflower oil into the diet. Use high doses Vit C.

>         bromelain/quercetin, pantothenic acid.

>

>         Herbs to think about would be devils claw [antiinflammatory]

>         guaiacum [antirheumatic], gravel root [diuretic], burdock root

> [alterative] with some clivers, yarrow [stimulate circulation]

>         thuja if there is much pain, juniper [for accumulation of acid

> wastes], gentian for digestion. If a mild laxative effect is            need

> where there is liver derangment use barberry. Poke root or      rue [for

> focal sepsis of the joint with pain], meadowsweet or            white willow [to

> reduce temperature], licorice for the                   inflammation.

>

>         There are many other herbs you could use but I'm sure some              of these

> will give you more than enough to handle the problem.

>

>         Good luck with it,

>

>         Beverly Shamon

>         ETERNAL HEALTH CONCEPTS





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Relief from gout

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:28:19 -0800

--------

At 08:18 PM 9/26/97 -0400, Broadus Lindsay wrote:

>Hi group!

>

>This is my first posting, but I know you will be of great help. So here we

>go! My step-father has a terrible cas of gout in his left foot and ankle.

>What I'm trying to find out, is are there any herbal relief for the pain and

>swelling associated with this disease. All suggestions will be appreciated.

>And again, Thanks for your help.

>

>

>Good Health and God Bless.

>

>

Two things come to mind in this case.  A poultice of Bulb kelp or Fucus

(Bladderwrack) would be useful.  The fresh kelp is chopped up fine in a

blender and spread on a moist cloth and heated in the oven.  It is applied

to the affected area as hot as can be borne by the sufferer.  It should

help quickly.  It should be kept hot on the foot for about an hour.  Cover

the poultice with plastic wrap and keep warm with a heating pad.

Another thing that can help eliminate swelling and fluid accumulation is

the old Mullein compress.  Mullein aids the body in reabsorbing fluids and

dissapates swellings.  Lobelia is added to this to help relax stressed

tissues and capsicum as an astringent and stimulant.

Mullein compress:

Place in 2 quarts cider or malt vinegar:

4 oz. Verbascum thap. (Mullein)

1/2 oz Lobelia herb

Gently simmer well covered for 20-30 min.  Strain and add a little tincture

of  cayenne or pour over 1/4 ounce cayenne powder.

Foment affected area as hot as possible for at least 1 hour.  I usually

place a soaked cloth on the area and cover with plastic wrap and place a

heating pad over it all.

This is wonderful for glandular swellings, painful joints and muscles,

edema and other swellings.

This fomentation may be stored in a cool place and used within a 3 month

period.



The following is a quote:

             Eupatorium purpureum       2 parts

                Agropyron repens        2 parts

                Apium graveolens        2 parts

                Guaiacum officinalis    1 part  to 5ml of tincture taken 3 times a day



                Urtica dioica           strong infusion drunk often





Broader context of treatment ~



o Eat raw fruit, vegetables, grains, seeds and nuts. Especially recommended

have been Cherries and Strawberries.

o Preferably eat no meat as it is rich in uric acid forming components.

o Drink 6 pints of fluid a day. Slightly alkaline natural springwater has

been recommended.

o Avoid purine rich foods: anchovies, asparagus, crab, fish roe, herring,

kidney, liver, meat gravies and broth, mushrooms, mussels, peas & beans,

sardines.

o Avoid rapid weight loss diets. This may result in increased uric acid

levels in the blood.



o Avoid all alcoholic drinks



The herbalist by David Hoffman, (c)1993 David Hoffman, Hopkins Technology

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Relief from gout

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 11:59:45 -0400

--------

Broadus Lindsay wrote:

>

> Hi group!

>

> This is my first posting, but I know you will be of great help. So here we

> go! My step-father has a terrible cas of gout in his left foot and ankle.

> What I'm trying to find out, is are there any herbal relief for the pain and

> swelling associated with this disease. All suggestions will be appreciated.

> And again, Thanks for your help.

>

> Good Health and God Bless.





My boss has had gout on and off for years. I suggested that he try a

glass of black cherry juice when he has trouble, and it

cleared it up so well that he bought a couple of cases from the

local health food store! When it gets bad, he chases it with bourbon.

NOT at my suggestion!

--------------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

--------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Bell's Palsy

From: Rosemary Hayward <Roses9652@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:12:08 -0400

--------

Is anyone familiar with this, and are there any herbal or alternative

medicines they could be trying here?  The word "steroid" scares me.  See my

friend's message:



<The Bell's Palsey is a virus (they think).  It affected his mouth first.

 Symptoms are like that of a stroke with facial paralysis.  Woke up and

couldn't keep fluid in his mouth when brushing his teeth and drinking coffee.

 Then his eye started watering the next day and he couldn't smile or drink

through a straw.  By afternoon, his eye wouldn't close all the way.  He went

to sick call twice and saw two different doctors.  Both said that he has

Bell's Palsey.  It is sometimes treated with steroids and severe cases result

in surgery.  Sometimes it goes like it comes--suddenly.  The last case they

had lasted 12 days, then the guy was fine.  That's about all I can find out.

 Will keep you posted.>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bell's Palsy

From: Amelia Randolph <arando@PO-BOX.MCGILL.CA>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:00:45 -0400

--------

The lastest is that Bell's Palsey is indeed caused by a virus, Herpes

Virus.  When it goes latent, it goes and hangs out in a nerve ganglion.

When it comes back out, it can descend different nerve pathways.  If it

goes out the facial, you have Bell's Palsy.  (If it goes up into the

brain, you can have a meningitis.  Often manifested as a day or 2 of

headache)  That's why it can disappear as quickly as it appeared.

Therefore, I was suppose that you could attempt a herpes remedy.



Rosemary Hayward wrote:



> Is anyone familiar with this, and are there any herbal or alternative

> medicines they could be trying here?  The word "steroid" scares me.

> See my

> friend's message:

>

> <The Bell's Palsey is a virus (they think).  It affected his mouth

> first.

>  Symptoms are like that of a stroke with facial paralysis.  Woke up

> and

> couldn't keep fluid in his mouth when brushing his teeth and drinking

> coffee.

>  Then his eye started watering the next day and he couldn't smile or

> drink

> through a straw.  By afternoon, his eye wouldn't close all the way.

> He went

> to sick call twice and saw two different doctors.  Both said that he

> has

> Bell's Palsey.  It is sometimes treated with steroids and severe cases

> result

> in surgery.  Sometimes it goes like it comes--suddenly.  The last case

> they

> had lasted 12 days, then the guy was fine.  That's about all I can

> find out.

>  Will keep you posted.>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bell's Palsy

From: emapeel <emapeel@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 17:35:01 -0700

--------

Rosemary Hayward wrote:

>

> Is anyone familiar with this, and are there any herbal or alternative

> medicines they could be trying here?  The word "steroid" scares me.



Hello Rosemary:



Last year my cousin and I both had a bout with Bells Palsy.  Please dont

fear.  This situation clears itself up within a few (ok, maybe more than

a few...)days...but something to be aware of is that your friend will

NOT be able to close his eye on the affected side of the face.  it will

become quite distressed as the blinking is a protector and lubricator.

tell him/her to go and get lubricating eyedrops...not visine, which is

antiseptic....and get an eyepatch.  i know, i know, you wander around

with people looking at you as if you just walked off a pirate ship, but

believe me, it is what is required.  my doctor was wonderful with this,

didnt offer any drugs, said it was brought on by stress, and that i

would heal myself.  about two weeks later i was fine. by the way, my

cousin used scotch tape to tape his eye shut for sleeping.



its an inconvient thing to have happen to your friend, but its not

permanent and it really gives you something to laugh at when you see

just how much funny stuff can happen when you cant control your mouth!

(brushing your teeth all of a sudden becomes a comedy script!)



your friend will be fine!

good luck!

dawne





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bell's Palsy

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:05:51 -0400

--------

Bells palsey or paralysis is a peripheral paralysis or weakness of muscles

innervated by the facial nerve.  Some late research states it is caused by a

virus.  i know my husband contracted it in the winter months of a very cold

year.  It froze it left side of his face and was very frightening.



I used a nutritional protocol to reduce the discomfort which I would be happy

to mail to you thru private email.  Chamomile compresses on his eyes helped

(the eye literally dries out and has to have liquid tears applied a couple of

times a day).  I used homeopathics to assist with the panic and fear that

accompanied this the first week.  Valerian helped at night, and echinacea

helped boost his immune system.  All in all it took 4 months to recover but

he did and there is no aftereffect.  But we were lucky.  Some don't do as

well.  One of the things to stress is patience and a very good diet.



Has anybody else had herbal experience with this?



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bell's Palsy

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:40:18 +1000

--------

EHC wrote:

>

> Rosemary Hayward wrote:

> >

> > Is anyone familiar with this, and are there any herbal or alternative

> > medicines they could be trying here?  The word "steroid" scares me.  See my

> > friend's message:

> >

> > <The Bell's Palsey is a virus (they think).  It affected his mouth first.

> >  Symptoms are like that of a stroke with facial paralysis.  Woke up and

> > couldn't keep fluid in his mouth when brushing his teeth and drinking coffee.

> >  Then his eye started watering the next day and he couldn't smile or drink

> > through a straw.  By afternoon, his eye wouldn't close all the way.  He went

> > to sick call twice and saw two different doctors.  Both said that he has

> > Bell's Palsey.  It is sometimes treated with steroids and severe cases result

> > in surgery.  Sometimes it goes like it comes--suddenly.  The last case they

> > had lasted 12 days, then the guy was fine.  That's about all I can find out.

> >  Will keep you posted.>

>

> Dear Rosemary,

>

> The little information I have includes -

>

> facial massage/exercises

> apply heat to painful area

>

> B-complex in large doses -50mg of each component daily

> Vit. C to reduce inflammtion and associated toxic waste

>

> Magnesium and potassium phosphate to reduce spasm and reintroduce

> healthy nerve function every 15-30mins

>

> herbal mix of valerian, vervain and  scullcap.

>

> Hope this is of some help,

>

> Kind Regards,

>

> Beverly Shamon

> ETERNAL HEALTH CONCEPTS





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bell's Palsy

From: "[Sandie Schoenborn]" <SSchoen110@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 05:06:43 -0400

--------

Bell's Palsy has been treated by physical therapy for years with electrical

stimulation to "wake up" the involved muscles. Noone I have treated has taken

steroids or had surgery for Bell's palsy. It is cauced by a virus (which are

not treated very sucessfully with pharmaceuticals!). I work with several good

acupuncturists and they indicate they've had sucess with treating Bell's

palsy also. I'm not sure if they use any herbs in addition to the

acupuncture.

good luck,

Namaste,

Sandie





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SCAR2

From: monthachitra amornrat <axm71320@CMSU2.CMSU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 22:49:15 -0500

--------

Hi;

        Thanks you all for suggest me. Hopefully, it will work for me, too. You

make me feel much better.

        My doctor knew that the wound was opened since he took the string out but

he did not suggest me do anything. Only thing he suggested is that use warm

towel cover the wound twice a day and dressed it. He told me he don't have

the problem about  removing the scar later.

        In addition, a nurse told me not to clean the wound with hydrogen peroxide

(I asked her on phone). I don't know why. I felt a little confused at the

first time because, in my country, we usually clean the wound before

dressing it. So, I cleaned some days not every day.

        Then, I tape my wound very tightly. It's not work at the first time b/c

when I take the tape out it's back to the same as it was. I opened my dress

less oftenly. It looks better now. Also, I started apply Neosporin on 2

days ago, making the wound dry faster. After this, I will start with

vitamin E oil first and see how it works.

        I have to see my doctor again next Monday. I will talk to you all later if

there is something new.

Bye

Amornrat









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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: TCM

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:34:12 -0700

--------

Hello,

I am excited since I visited a Chinese healer Thurs. and

got some herbs and acupunture.  It is amazing.  It seemed

a little expensive to me however.  Any one got a "normal"

price? Mine was $98 for acupressure, acupuncture *just

the 'leave on' kind (for 1-3 da.)*, herbs, what allergies

I have, etc.

Linda S.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: TCM

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:21:30 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 16:10:55 EDT, you write:



<< Hello,

 I am excited since I visited a Chinese healer Thurs. and

 got some herbs and acupunture.  It is amazing.  It seemed

 a little expensive to me however.  Any one got a "normal"

 price? Mine was $98 for acupressure, acupuncture *just

 the 'leave on' kind (for 1-3 da.)*, herbs, what allergies

 I have, etc.

 Linda S. >>



Most of them that I know charge about $60/hr. for the first visit, and the

herbs, etc. would be extra.  Compare that to $75.00 for about 15 min. and no

hands on care at your local doctor.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: TCM

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:28:28 -0400

--------

Probably reasonable for a first visit.  Subsequent visits here are in the

$45 range, but we have market competition in NYC.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Fri, 26 Sep 1997 21:34:12 -0700 Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

writes:

>Hello,

>I am excited since I visited a Chinese healer Thurs. and

>got some herbs and acupunture.  It is amazing.  It seemed

>a little expensive to me however.  Any one got a "normal"

>price? Mine was $98 for acupressure, acupuncture *just

>the 'leave on' kind (for 1-3 da.)*, herbs, what allergies

>I have, etc.

>Linda S.

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Books, and stuff

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 09:49:36 -0700

--------

Hi all!



Would a Nobles or Waldens or ANY kind of bookstore chains have the kind of herb

books I would need to make soaps, lotions, balms, teas, etc, etc,?  Mainly for

hobby use and home use I would think. Or are we talking specialty bookstores.



Is there ANYONE out there from the San Francico bay area???



Paula





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Books, and stuff

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 15:08:05 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 14:48:59 EDT, you write:



<< Would a Nobles or Waldens or ANY kind of bookstore chains have the kind of

herb

 books I would need to make soaps, lotions, balms, teas, etc, etc,?  Mainly

for

 hobby use and home use I would think. Or are we talking specialty

bookstores. >>



Believe me, you can get more than enough books to keep you happy on these

subjects at any major bookstore, now.  That wasn't always the case, but the

market for these products has skyrocketed.  Just look at how the price of

herbs went through the roof.



Now, for the special little books that experts in a very narrow geographical

area wrote about herbs and folklore remedies; these were generally published

by Universities or private individuals and had limited distribution.  I have

found quite a few obscure little gems in the Louisiana room at USL here in

Lafayette, Louisiana where they will get any book about the area.  I assume

the same would hold true for departments at any University and even local

libraries.  I have also been able to locate some forgotten ones by asking

local small publishers.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Books, and stuff

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:26:05 -0400

--------

Now does anyone know where I can get a pre-1945 US Pharmacopia or a pre

1945 Remmington's Principles of Pharmacy?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Books, and stuff

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:02:39 -0400

--------

Karen Vaughan wrote:

>

> Now does anyone know where I can get a pre-1945 US Pharmacopia or a pre

> 1945 Remmington's Principles of Pharmacy?

>

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com





Did you try www.amazon.com ? They can find old books, too.

--------------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

--------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Books, and stuff

From: Marie Morrison <Heathe7420@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 20:15:49 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 14:48:43 EDT, pswarner@SPRYNET.COM writes:



<< Would a Nobles or Waldens or ANY kind of bookstore chains have the kind of

herb

 books I would need to make soaps, lotions, balms, teas, etc, etc,?  Mainly

for

 hobby use and home use I would think. Or are we talking specialty

bookstores.

  >>

I highly recommend The Complete Book of Incense Oils and Brews by Scott

Cunningham.  It can be found in the health section of B. Dalton.   I also

highly recommend his Complete Encyclopedia of Herbs.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Books, and stuff

From: "James S. Pettigrew Sr." <jspettigrew@ATLANTECH.NET>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 21:14:38 -0400

--------

A good place to locate books is at the internet address of "www.amazon.com"

(no commercial interest). Look under the heading of herbs. Their prices are

better then any store that i have found and Mr. Cunninghams books are in

there.

Jim



At 08:15 PM 9/27/97 -0400, Marie Morrison wrote:

>In a message dated 97-09-27 14:48:43 EDT, pswarner@SPRYNET.COM writes:

>

><< Would a Nobles or Waldens or ANY kind of bookstore chains have the kind of

>herb

> books I would need to make soaps, lotions, balms, teas, etc, etc,?  Mainly

>for

> hobby use and home use I would think. Or are we talking specialty

>bookstores.

>  >>

>I highly recommend The Complete Book of Incense Oils and Brews by Scott

>Cunningham.  It can be found in the health section of B. Dalton.   I also

>highly recommend his Complete Encyclopedia of Herbs.

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Books, and stuff

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:20:45 -0500

--------

I highle recommend utilizing the resources at your piublic library for these books.  This gives you the chance to read before you buy.  There are many many good books on the subject - too many for my budget to allow me to buy.   Each is valuable even if for one idea or one recipie that the others didn't have, but not paying $25.00 for.  But If I borrow the books, I can have my cake and eat it too- I read the book, copy the one recipie, return the books, then purchase only the ones I'll refer to over and over.  This also solves the problem of needing beginners manuals, but quickly out-growing them.  Save you money to buy herbs with.

KB  





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help for Hubby

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 11:44:55 -0700

--------

Hi all!



My hubby suffers with cold sores on his lip. Same place everytime.  Is there

something he can take to either prevent them or is there a balm he can use to

treat it?  Have any of you heard of BioExtract WO?  Also, he suffers from sinus

and allergy problems and needs to be put on a supplement that will help eliviate

some of the symptoms.  Thanks in advance



Paula

pswarner@sprynet.com



P.S.  He is at warnerra@juno.com if you have specific questions to ask him.  His

name is Richard.  Thanks





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for Hubby

From: Joy Keeping <keepjoy@HAL-PC.ORG>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:29:08 -0500

--------

Hi Paula,

Lysine is supposed to be good for cold sores if you take it right when

you first feel it coming.  Camphor also helps after you get them.



Joy Keeping



Paula Warner wrote:



> Hi all!

>

> My hubby suffers with cold sores on his lip. Same place everytime.  Is

> there

> something he can take to either prevent them or is there a balm he can

> use to

> treat it?  Have any of you heard of BioExtract WO?  Also, he suffers

> from sinus

> and allergy problems and needs to be put on a supplement that will

> help eliviate

> some of the symptoms.  Thanks in advance

>

> Paula

> pswarner@sprynet.com

>

> P.S.  He is at warnerra@juno.com if you have specific questions to ask

> him.  His

> name is Richard.  Thanks





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for Hubby

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 14:42:29 -0700

--------

hi Joy,



what form does Lysine come in?  He is using Camphophonec (spelling) right now,

but he started late.  It has already burst and is ready to dry up.  Thanks for

your advice



paula



On Sat, 27 Sep 1997, Joy Keeping <keepjoy@HAL-PC.ORG> wrote:

>Hi Paula,

>Lysine is supposed to be good for cold sores if you take it right when

>you first feel it coming.  Camphor also helps after you get them.

>

>Joy Keeping

>

>Paula Warner wrote:

>

>> Hi all!

>>

>> My hubby suffers with cold sores on his lip. Same place everytime.  Is

>> there

>> something he can take to either prevent them or is there a balm he can

>> use to

>> treat it?  Have any of you heard of BioExtract WO?  Also, he suffers

>> from sinus

>> and allergy problems and needs to be put on a supplement that will

>> help eliviate

>> some of the symptoms.  Thanks in advance

>>

>> Paula

>> pswarner@sprynet.com

>>

>> P.S.  He is at warnerra@juno.com if you have specific questions to ask

>> him.  His

>> name is Richard.  Thanks

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for Hubby

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:35:11 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

what form does Lysine come in?  



I ADD:

Lysine is sold in pill form most anywhere vitamins are sold. And it helps best if you take it as a suppliment before a sore developes instead of wating.  Lysine is an amino acid and an inbalance encourages herpes.  Does your hubby eat ALOT of peanut butter or other lysine deficient food?   This the most common way an imbalance occurs.  

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for Hubby

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:54:05 -0700

--------

Yes, yes, yes,  he eats peanut butter everyday!!  SO is this the reason he gets

them?  Or is this just a reaction to peanut butter?



Paula



On Mon, 29 Sep 1997, Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US> wrote:

>YOU WROTE:

>what form does Lysine come in?

>

>I ADD:

>Lysine is sold in pill form most anywhere vitamins are sold. And it helps best

if you take it as a suppliment before a sore developes instead of wating.

Lysine is an amino acid and an inbalance encourages herpes.  Does your hubby eat

ALOT of peanut butter or other lysine deficient food?   This the most common way

an imbalance occurs.

>KB

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help for Hubby

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:42:29 -0500

--------

YOU WROTE:

Yes, yes, yes,  he eats peanut butter everyday!!  SO is this the reason he gets

them?  Or is this just a reaction to peanut butter?



I ADD:

Probably...  There is nothing wrong with eating peanut butter.  It's just that PB is L-lysine deficient so if you eat alot of it your animo acids become unbalanced.  A lysine deficency results (in varing degrees) in the inability to fight off herpes viruses (cold sores are herpes simplex also called type 1), inability to concentrate, hair loss, anemia, retarded growth, loss of energy, irritability, bloodshot eyes, and reproductive disorders.  



Get a L-lysine supplement and have him take it everyday and he won't have to give up his peanut butter.  Or always eat some brewers yeast each day.  The amout of lysine in the diet is supposed to be greater than the amount of arginine to suppress herpes.  The general recommendation is for 500 to 1000 mg. daily but you'll have to adjust this against the amount of peanut butter he eats.  



Amino acids occur in different foods in different perportions and under normal circumstances we balance them with our varied diet and don't even realize it.  However, when our diet becomes heavy one food or type of food, an imbalance occurs, causing health implications.  This is why a heavy meat diet, a heavy fruit diet ...or a heavy peanut butter diet affects something like cold sores.  



L-lysine is an essential building block for all protein, needed for growth and bone development in children.  It helps calcium absorbtion and maintains nitrogen balance in adults.  It aids the production of antibodies, hormones & enzymes and to repair tissues.  It also helps lower serum triglycerides.  



Once the sores have already developed, a strong tea made by pouring 1/2 cup boiling water over 3 tablespoons Lemon Balm (Mellisa officinalis) will shorten the suffering time. Steep, covered, 15 min.  Swab on with a bit of cotton ball three or four times a day to speeding healing.  You can also make a salve with LB for winter time use.  LB works well on genital H also.



My oldest son was a very picky eater when a child and lived mostly on PB and 5 grain pancakes.  He didn't learn to appreciate varied foods til his middle teens.  He had trouble with cold sores and impetigo until we figured out the L-lysine connection. 



Other foods which are lysine deficient are listed in the classic book on protien : A Diet for a Small Planet.   Probably others.  Anyone out there know of a more recent book with this info??

KB





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cocoa: was, Fruit - chocolates

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 16:48:25 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 13:44:56 EDT, you write:



<< hales1@KTN.NET (Anita Hales)

 >

 Ah but Cocoa (Cacao) is an interesting herb.  The Aztecs called it "food of

 the Gods", and only the elite were allowed to use it.  It was given to

 Pizarro in his honor and respect (before he killed the Aztec leaders and

 killed all of them he could find because they wouldn't give him enough

 gold).  It has a great history and even some purported medicinal uses

 (which I'd have to look up).

 Anyway, I think it certainly could be VERY "on topic" for this list.  Just

 call chocolates "sugar and oil preserved Cacao".

  >>



Nice save, go Anita!

Give the girl a Silver Bell.  I owe you one. :-)



Theobroma cacao, family Sterculiaceae (another member is th Kola plant), also

known as chocolate or cacao is a greater medicinal herb than people give it

credit for.



Cocoa and its dirivative, chocolate, can help digestion, increase blood flow

to the heart and ease chest congestion.

The Aztec ruler, Montezuma drank a beverage called "chocolatl" from golden

goblets (chocolate deserves the very best).  At that time they told Cortez

that 100 coffee beans could buy a human slave it was considered so valuable,

more that the golden goblet at the time.



The Spanish kept chocolate a secret for more tha 100 yrs, but it finally was

introduced all over Europe in the 1600's.



It was only about 150 yrs. ago that it was made into blocks and candy. Before

that it was always taken as a beverage.



In Central America they have a long history of using cocoa for pregnancy

problems and easing childbirth, coughs (the chest congestion again), and

fever.



The cocoa butter is used externally for wounds, and a base for salves (also

as a salve in and of itself).



Chocolate is considered very nutritive for invalids and people getting over

long illnesses.



Cocoa does contain a great deal of saturated fat, but it is in the form of

stearic acid, which does _not_ raise cholesterol.



Cocoa does have caffeine and theobromine, the two chemicals that most account

for its herbal healing properties.  Early pregnancy would negate the use of

it because of the caffeine content.



Cocoa beans are roasted and then made into a liquid called chocolate liquor.

 Lye is added to enhance its flavor (not enough to affect health).  Then the

fat is removed and the result is cocoa powder. Chocolate is just the powder

with some of the fat added back in.



Ok, now does that make up for my ramble about overindulgence of a good thing?

:-)*

That asterisk is chocolate smeared on my chin.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ashwagandha

From: Veress <kveress@FREENET.NPIEC.ON.CA>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:06:19 -0400

--------

Once again I need some information of people that have more experience than

I have.(I'm trying,and learning from many of you,thanks)

I have grown Ashwaganda (Withania somnifera), the nights here in

Ontario,Canada are getting cooler, so this is the time to harvest.

Is there anybody who knows which part of the plant to use, and should I

tincture them or can I also make pills out of them.

I also don't know more about the  use of Ashwaganda than is written in the

Richter's catalogue, which states that it is sometimes referred to as

"Indian Ginseng", the primary strengthening tonic in Ayurveda.



Thanks,

Margot





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ashwagandha

From: Veress <kveress@FREENET.NPIEC.ON.CA>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:59:03 -0400

--------

Dear Henriette,

No, I didn't get any reply to my question, so please..... and thank you.

There is another plant that I inquired about a couple of weeks ago, and to

which I did not get an answer either, nor could I find references in the

books that I have. The name is Chinese Privet (Ligustrum lucidum), also

called Nepal privet; Nu-zhen-zi.

If you know anything about this plant as well, I would be very happy

Margot

----------

> From: TRAITEUSSE@aol.com

> To: veress <kveress@freenet.npiec.on.ca>

> Subject: Re: Ashwagandha

> Date: Sunday, September 28, 1997 4:35 PM

>

> In a message dated 97-09-27 18:13:10 EDT, you write:

>

> << Once again I need some information of people that have more experience

> than

>  I have.(I'm trying,and learning from many of you,thanks)

>  I have grown Ashwaganda (Withania somnifera), the nights here in

>  Ontario,Canada are getting cooler, so this is the time to harvest.

>  Is there anybody who knows which part of the plant to use, and should I

>  tincture them or can I also make pills out of them. >>

>

> Did you ever get a response to this?  I'll send you some info. if you

didn't.

>

> Traiteusse@aol.com

> Henrietta Lala

> 9/28/97





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ashwagandha

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 14:56:05 -0400

--------

kveress@freenet.npiec.on.ca  had asked for information about Aswagandha, so

here is a short paper I once wrote:



ASHWAGANDHA (Withania somnifera), is often called "Indian Ginseng," which

name gives a clue as to its usefulness.



Part used: Root.



Dosage and preparation: 1 teaspoon dried root bark to 1 1/2 pints pure water.

 You are going to make a decoction, so the bark is simmered in a tightly

covered container (use glass or enameled) for about 1/2 hour.  Keep the

container closed while the decoction cools slightly.  Make sure the moisture

on the lid drips back into the pot when you take it off.  Take twice daily, 1

cup each time.

Capsules: Usually come in bottles of 100 with 300mg. per capsule.  It comes

standardized for 4.5 mg. Withanolides.  The suggested dosage for the capsules

is 1-3 capsules daily with meals.



History:  Ashwagandha has been used in India for over 2,500 years.  It is an

Indian shrub which has adaptogenic qualities that were even described over a

1,000 years ago. In the ancient Ayurvedic text "Charaka Samhita (1000BC), it

was described as contributing to the vital force, what we would now call an

"adaptogen (increases SNIR (State of Non-specifically Increased Resistance)."

 Though used for many conditions in many forms it lasts today as a very

special herb to  enhance vigor and stamina.



Constituents: In "Herbs That Heal" (1994), Michael A. Weiner and Janet

Weiner, p.70, state: "So far, it has been found to contain 11 alkaloids, 35

withanolides, and several sitoindosides, a group of bioactive chemicals first

isolated in late 1980s."

Its chemical makeup is so complicated, that even today scientists are trying

to figure out its unusual properties and what actions they have on the human

body.



Actions: hypotensive, antispasmodic, antitumor (also found to enhance the

favorable effects of radiation for tumor regression and helped to inhibit the

growth of sarcoma), antiarthritic (found to reduce the pain, morning

stiffness, and increase grip strength), antipyretic, analgesic,

anti-inflammatory, antidiabetic, anti-stress, anti-cancer, immunomodulator,

enhances learning and memory, lowers serum cholesterol levels, increases

hemoglobin and red blood cell count (helps prevent iron anemia).



Antiarthritic compound using Ashwagandha: Ashwagandha, Tumeric, Boswellin.



ATTENTION sport fans:  Can be used as a natural substitute for anabolic

steroids so muscle size and strength can increase.



Infertility?: Can help to increase sperm count in men and fertility in women.

 Can aid in increasing interest in sex due to increased sexual drive.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala

9/30/97





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fruit - chocolates - the sirene's call

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 19:27:15 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 18:49:51 EDT, you write:



<< Please do remind me some day , if ever I should consider going your way -

 that an encounter on our part would not be in the best interest of anyone

but

 the evil little trolls that make all those wonderfully sinful delights.  Do

 have a wonderful day - and plan your trips around ( by a least a half mile -

 cars sense these things and try to accomodate) those places that conspire to

 ruin your self esteem, waist line, and otherwise perfectly sensible eating

 habits - -

 peter >>



Well as a long time resident of New Orleans who has moved to Cajun country, I

see you are a man after this granny's heart.

 In these parts everything is planned around where you are going to eat next

and chores are scheduled according to what the chef is dishing up in that

particular section of town on that day.

Here in Cajun country it seems all the men can cook and do a darn good job of

it, too.  Road kill is a parish delicacy.

You think I'm kidding?  ONe day I was tooling down the road on my way home in

my 11 year old blue Dodge van after going for a shrimp poorboy in Beaux

Bridge when I saw a flock of rather large birds hesitating by the side of the

road as a few cars whizzed by.  I knew the farmhouse they were crossing the

street to and realized these were another experiment in raising strange

breeds that this particular family was given to.  Evidently, they had

wandered across the road to forage in the sugarcane fields.

I could see it coming.  Sure enough one darn fool bird decided to go for it

just as I got within about 10 feet of it and that 20 lb. whatever it was hit

the front of my car like a

gator on a dead pig.  I was so shocked that I just kept on going.  As I

looked in the rear view mirror I could see a police car way back there and

started agonizing over whether or not I should stop and report the thing to

the farmer or if what I had done was a criminal act.  Naturally, I couldn't

stop now and pick it up and take it home with a cop on my tail.  I slowed

down to see if he would put on his siren, tried to slouch down and look like

a tiny, frail little granny for the sympathy pitch and was really miffed to

see the darn fool stop in the middle of the road and pick up my kill.  He put

in in the patrol car and just kept on going to town.



Now to keep this on an herbal subject, I'll tell you how to cook 2 day old

road kill with herbs.

Take a red brick from somewhere around the yard where you were going to build

that barbeque pit and didn't.  Wash it carefully.  Get some string and

carefully wrap basil, rosemary, thyme, some red cayenne peppers, and bay leaf

around it.  Make sure they are on tight.  Stuff that brick right up the kazoo

(cleaned out of course), of your road kill.  Roast at around 350 degrees for

at least an hour and a half to two hours in a covered roaster.  Baste often

with the pan juices and sprinkle on some more herbs such as a little tiny bit

of crumbled sage.

Now you're ready for a feast.  Put out some Dixie beer, a few okra pickles

and take that dream dish out of the oven.  To serve, pull the brick out,

throw away the road kill and eat the brick with a dash of Tabasco sauce.



One of these days I'm going to get kicked off this list. :-)  I promise I'll

be good now.



I'll be doing a salve making demonstration using local herbs (in costume), at

the Cajun cottage in the Longfellow Evangeline State Commemorative area for

the festival celebrating the Cajun crafts of the 1800's over the weekend of

Oct. 18-19 in St. Martinville, LA if anyone is interested.



Mmmmmm. Road kill.  Pass that plate by me one more time, cher.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Reflux gas vs. heart attack

From: Sharon Wampler <sharon@AMUG.ORG>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:33:19 -0700

--------

I had two bouts of severe chest pain last week, which I thought was angina

or a heart attack. I've been told that reflux gas can feel just like that.

It certainly didn't feel anything like intestinal gas. Anybody have any

suggestions as to handling this? My digestion is poor, especially under

stress, which has been going on for the past 6 months. I'd appreciate any

feedback.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reflux gas vs. heart attack

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 12:38:54 +1000

--------

EHC wrote:

>

> Sharon Wampler wrote:

> >

> > I had two bouts of severe chest pain last week, which I thought was angina

> > or a heart attack. I've been told that reflux gas can feel just like that.

> > It certainly didn't feel anything like intestinal gas. Anybody have any

> > suggestions as to handling this? My digestion is poor, especially under

> > stress, which has been going on for the past 6 months. I'd appreciate any

> > feedback.

>

> Dear Sharon,

>

>         Try Meadowsweet, cardamon, agrimony, peppermint, melissa,a little  gentian, condurange, ginger, kava, hawthorn. Magnesium and potassium  phosphate.

>

> Warmly,

>

> Beverly Shamon





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reflux gas vs. heart attack

From: Beezley <beezley@EARTHLING.NET>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:38:04 -0400

--------

At 06:33 PM 9/27/97 -0700, you wrote:

>I had two bouts of severe chest pain last week, which I thought was angina

>or a heart attack. I've been told that reflux gas can feel just like that.

>It certainly didn't feel anything like intestinal gas. Anybody have any

>suggestions as to handling this? My digestion is poor, especially under

>stress, which has been going on for the past 6 months. I'd appreciate any

>feedback.

>

My daughter suffers from a reflux problem.  Her problem is not so much with

gas, but with involuntary vomiting.  She was told to avoid coffee, ice

cream and especially mint (ALL kinds), even in toothpaste, because mint

seems to cause the most problems.  It was REALLY difficult finding a

toothpaste that tasted reasonably good to a teenager that didn't contain

mint.  We ended up with Colgate Total (no commercial interest!), because it

contained the least amount of mint.



I hope this helps a little bit!



Pax!

Beezley

=:o





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reflux gas vs. heart attack

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:58:42 -0400

--------

>

> gas, but with involuntary vomiting.  She was told to avoid coffee, ice

> cream and especially mint (ALL kinds), even in toothpaste, because mint

> seems to cause the most problems.  It was REALLY difficult finding a

> toothpaste that tasted reasonably good to a teenager that didn't contain

> mint.





Are you sure it's the mint? What about the flouride? Have you seen the

new warning labels on toothpaste that it is now considered dangerous?

I new a dentist with a child with a problem, he threw up after

he brushed his teeth. They remove the flouride toothpaste and never

had a problem again. Those curious, see

http://www.all-natural.com/fleffect.html.

Let's not start a thread on flouride, ok.

--------------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

--------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reflux gas vs. heart attack

From: Beezley <beezley@EARTHLING.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 23:16:01 -0400

--------

At 12:58 PM 9/29/97 -0400, you wrote:

>>

>> gas, but with involuntary vomiting.  She was told to avoid coffee, ice

>> cream and especially mint (ALL kinds), even in toothpaste, because mint

>> seems to cause the most problems.  It was REALLY difficult finding a

>> toothpaste that tasted reasonably good to a teenager that didn't contain

>> mint.

>

>

>Are you sure it's the mint? What about the flouride? Have you seen the

>new warning labels on toothpaste that it is now considered dangerous?

>I new a dentist with a child with a problem, he threw up after

>he brushed his teeth. They remove the flouride toothpaste and never

>had a problem again.



Yes, we're sure it's the mint.  The toothpaste she's currently using

doesn't contain mint, but does contain flouride, and she has no problems

with it.  For the most part, she has the reflux problem under control,

except for those times when she indulges herself with an ice cream cone or

a cup of coffee!  But she knows the price she will pay for her indulgence,

and she's old enough to be (somewhat) responsible for her own health, so I

leave it up to her about whether she will occasionally give in to a craving.



Pax!

Beezley

=:o

beezley@earthling.net







>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reflux gas vs. heart attack

From: Kathy Samuelson <RUnotWHOur@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:20:09 -0400

--------

I had similar sx. which went on for three years every couple of months I'd be

in for an EKG thinking I was having heart attack and had very bad indigestion

and a lot of gas. Would wake up in the night sweating and heart pounding.

Finally by accident someone thought to check my thyroid function. I was

hyperthyroid=7 x normal

have your thyroid checked. Kat





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reflux gas vs. heart attack

From: Carol Wolther <Cwolther@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 00:39:20 -0400

--------

I also have the reflux.  I am taking prescription meds for it.  One thing to

avoid is pepermint tea.  While it usually soothes the stomach, with reflux it

relaxes the muscle between the stomach and the esophagus, allowing the

stomach contents back up into the esophagus.



Carol





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reflux gas vs. heart attack

From: CoraLynn McKelvy <coralynnmckelvy@USA.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:58:30 -0700

--------

I had a round of reflux a couple of years ago & tried the prescription

route (Zantac & one that was only taken at bedtime). They worked fine but

I dislike taking Rx (Hep C & liver processing what you ingest).



I discovered by accident that hot & spicy food worked just as well for me

as the Rx. Hot salsa & cajun sauce on rice are what I use now. Makes no

sense to me but for me it works. Capsicum too.



CoraLynn

ne TN

coralynnmckelvy@usa.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reflux gas vs. heart attack-reply

From: Kirimaku <kirimaku@GOODNET.COM>

Date: Sat, 27 Sep 1997 18:56:42 -0700

--------

Sharon Wampler wrote:

> I had two bouts of severe chest pain last week, which I thought was angina

> or a heart attack. I've been told that reflux gas can feel just like that.

> It certainly didn't feel anything like intestinal gas. Anybody have any

> suggestions as to handling this? My digestion is poor, especially under

> stress, which has been going on for the past 6 months. I'd appreciate any

> feedback.

The number one mistake those of us who prefer to engage with alternative

medicine is to engage with self diagnosis, not utilizing a professional.

No one I know  would argue that what ever their feelings on anything

else, traditional medicine is OUTSTANDING on diagnositic processes.  You

have GOT to know not only WHAT you have a problem with - and you do have

a problem - but how far it has gone and are there secondary problems,

directly or indirectly associated with the primary problem you are

suffering from.

Then you can make your choices.



The other thing is that most people who die from a heart attack do so

within two hours of the onset of symptoms - most of those people could

have been saved if they had gotton help.

The fact that you are looking for diagnosis and treatment from the web

for such a potentially life threatenings problem, indicated to me that

perhaps the stress in your life is such that you may have a subconscious

death wish wanting to escape rather then deal directly and specifically

with your problem.

The one piece I will add is that heart attack chest pain is constant -

it may increase/decrease over time but it doesn't occur for 5 min - gone

for ten back for fifteen.  Pain can occur not only in the chest, but go

up into the jaws, or down the inside of not just the left side of the

arm but the right side too. I implore you again to get that checked

without delay.  They used to have to wait a few days to see if there was

damage to the heart after a heart attack but now there is equipment that

can determin whether it is a heart attack while it is in process.

I will also keep you in my prayers for successful resolution of the

source of your stress and your strength to make other choices then what

is not working for you now - hugs!





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis + cough remedy

From: Lisa Viger <LViger@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:17:51 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-27 13:41:33 EDT, Connie writes:



<<

 Would anyone have any suggestions for help for tendonitis, located anterior

 to the elbow, that has been given up on by the medical community? This lady

 has suffered with this condition for 5 months, brought on by "bumping her

 elbow at work". TIA.

 Connie

  >>

Dear Connie,

     I'm new to this list and I know it's about herb uses in medicine.

However, after reading your post I had to answer. Is it possible this woman

has broken the medial epicondyle of her humerus? It's the little bump one can

feel on the inside of the elbow. If bumped just right, and it doesn't take

much of an impact to do it, it can chip off and cause many problems. It's

quite common and could possibly be causing inflammation and giving the

impression it is tendonitis. Perhaps a good x-ray would be in order before

other treatments are tried. If not found and treated, it can become very

serious.

     So I don't stray off the herbal topic too much, I'll put in what I've

found to be about the best cough and cold tea recipe. I works especially well

on children who can't sleep at night because of a bad cough. And it's just in

time for the cold season :)



1 Chamomille tea bag or 1 Tbs. Chamomille flowers

1 tsp. dried Peppermint

1/2 tsp. dried sage, or a few fresh leaves

pinch of ginger

pinch of cinnamon



Put in tea bag, or use strainer, and steep for about 5 minutes. Flavor with

lots of lemon and honey.



     Given at bedtime, this puts my kids to sleep, keeps them from coughing

all night and then produces an "effective" cough in the morning. It's kind of

a combintion between a cough supressant and expectorant. I couldn't live

without it in the wintertime...plus it tastes great. My children will fake

coughs so I'll make them their "cough medicine."



Lisa Viger





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reflux gas and toothpaste

From: Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:57:02 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-28 00:41:02 EDT, you write:



<< My daughter suffers from a reflux problem.  Her problem is not so much

with

 gas, but with involuntary vomiting.  She was told to avoid coffee, ice

 cream and especially mint (ALL kinds), even in toothpaste, because mint

 seems to cause the most problems.  It was REALLY difficult finding a

 toothpaste that tasted reasonably good to a teenager that didn't contain

 mint.  We ended up with Colgate Total (no commercial interest!), because it

 contained the least amount of mint. >>



I just heard on a local ABC(?) affiliate that dry brushing is the best method

of eliminating plaque (which is important since, according to this report,

gum disease is on the rise in teenagers, and ALL toothpastes make the brush

*slide* over the teeth rather than actually *scrubbing* them). The report

suggested following the dry brushing w/toothpaste, but perhaps something like

salt and baking soda combo would also work (as opposed to the Colgate Total).

I'll tell ya, it makes me gag if I even get a hint of salt/soda, but I hang

my head low!



kai,

KaiforChi@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Allopath definition

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 01:06:49 -0400

--------

An allopath is one who practices allopathic medicine - conventional doctors -

many of whom  - but certainly not all of whom - have varying degrees of

disdain for the herbal community and most alterntaives to "conventional

medicine" .  the allopath need not have any opinion to make him/her an

allopath - just must have gone through med school - done residency and be a

practicing doctor -   readers digest version of answer -- Allopath = MD

peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Homeopathic Sources needed!!

From: Lady Mystique <mystique@MIDWEST.NET>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 00:44:01 PDT

--------

Hello everyone,

I'm a Speech Communications Major at Uni, and I'm researching a

speech on Homeopathy.  Can anyone suggest some good resources?

I need addresses, numbers, etc!



Thanks!



--Lady M.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Homeopathic Sources needed!!

From: Steven Migliaccio <LMigliacci@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:18:54 -0400

--------

Theres a book called "Burton Goldberg Presents...an Alternitive Medicine

Definitive Guide to Cancer" or just " Difinitive Guide to Cancer " by Diamond

and Cowden with Burton Goldbeger........by Furture Medicine Publishing Inc in

Tiburon , Califoria. This book is a manaul of 50 homeopathic doctors

practicing across the US and thier methods....1,000 pgs of good reading.



Steve





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Introduce myself and asking for help

From: Chip Reuis <C2037@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 07:36:52 -0400

--------

I have been watching and reading the posts for several weeks now.  I thought

it was time to introduce myself, tell the group what I am looking for, and

ask for help.



I was recently diagnosed as Hepatitis C positive, 9/4/97 to be exact.  I am

having a liver biopsy done tomorrow to determine the exact extent of damage

done and decide the best path forward.



I am 43 years old, married, 3 children.  Have been married 21 years to the

same woman.  I do not fit into any of the high risk groups for Hep C.  The

wife tested negative, we decided not to have the kids tested and the doctor

agreed.



I am going to approach this from two fronts if possible.  I am most likely

going to be taking 3 million units of interferon A 3 times a week for a year.

 I would also like to work the herbal front also.



I have been speaking to a lady who runs a herb store on Lady's Island SC and

she told me that the best approach would be to detoxify the liver and then

work on strengthing it.  She mentioned several detoxification mixtures,  I

neglected to wrtite down the manufacture or name of the product.  But that is

not important, I do not think.



The problem is I do not really trust the manufactures and packagers and

sellers of these herbs.  Most I have checked into, Columbia SC and Augusta

GA, are little more than Multi-Level Marketing sales people and know nothing

about their product.  If the manufactures do not care about the knowledge

level of their sales people, how can I trust their committment to quality

control while packaging.  The lady in Lady's island sounded as if she knew

what she was talking about and sold more than one brand.



Anyway,  I was wondering if I could grow and refine my own herbal tinticures

and extracts for liver detoxification and strengthing?  I have found several

sites on the web that sell seeds and plants.  Does anyone have advice or

thoughts they would care to share with me?  All will be welcome, pro and con.

 Thanks in advance.



There, as in everyones live, have been several cusp events, where the outcome

of a single event determines the course of all future events.  The birth of

my children, my marriage, the current choice of job,  controled and knew of

these.  I didn't know how or where I got Hep C,  but I fear it could have

been controled if I knew.  Tomorrow is another cusp event.  The results of

the liver biopsy will determine the course of the rest of my life.



Sorry to bore y'all.  Thanks again for all your help.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduce myself and asking for help

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:02:27 +1000

--------

Chip Reuis wrote:

>

> I have been watching and reading the posts for several weeks now.  I thought

> it was time to introduce myself, tell the group what I am looking for, and

> ask for help.

>

> I was recently diagnosed as Hepatitis C positive, 9/4/97 to be exact.  I am

> having a liver biopsy done tomorrow to determine the exact extent of damage

> done and decide the best path forward.

>

> I am 43 years old, married, 3 children.  Have been married 21 years to the

> same woman.  I do not fit into any of the high risk groups for Hep C.  The

> wife tested negative, we decided not to have the kids tested and the doctor

> agreed.

>

> I am going to approach this from two fronts if possible.  I am most likely

> going to be taking 3 million units of interferon A 3 times a week for a year.

>  I would also like to work the herbal front also.

>

> I have been speaking to a lady who runs a herb store on Lady's Island SC and

> she told me that the best approach would be to detoxify the liver and then

> work on strengthing it.  She mentioned several detoxification mixtures,  I

> neglected to wrtite down the manufacture or name of the product.  But that is

> not important, I do not think.

>

> The problem is I do not really trust the manufactures and packagers and

> sellers of these herbs.  Most I have checked into, Columbia SC and Augusta

> GA, are little more than Multi-Level Marketing sales people and know nothing

> about their product.  If the manufactures do not care about the knowledge

> level of their sales people, how can I trust their committment to quality

> control while packaging.  The lady in Lady's island sounded as if she knew

> what she was talking about and sold more than one brand.

>

> Anyway,  I was wondering if I could grow and refine my own herbal tinticures

> and extracts for liver detoxification and strengthing?  I have found several

> sites on the web that sell seeds and plants.  Does anyone have advice or

> thoughts they would care to share with me?  All will be welcome, pro and con.

>  Thanks in advance.

>

> There, as in everyones live, have been several cusp events, where the outcome

> of a single event determines the course of all future events.  The birth of

> my children, my marriage, the current choice of job,  controled and knew of

> these.  I didn't know how or where I got Hep C,  but I fear it could have

> been controled if I knew.  Tomorrow is another cusp event.  The results of

> the liver biopsy will determine the course of the rest of my life.

>

> Sorry to bore y'all.  Thanks again for all your help.







Dear Chip,



Sorry you've received this bad news.



Leave the growing from seeds as an aid to your future education.You need

treatment now.

I think you need to be under the treatment of a professionally trained

practitioner.





This if some of the info. I have.



Firstly detox.

Support digestion

bowel supprt

support immune system

use anti-inflamatories



Vit. C [ascorbic acid is more anti-viral]



Herbs

Astragalus and Vit C will enhance natural interferon levels.

Silybum marianum helps ALT levels.  Use 10gms day



Globe artichoke

dandelion

Schizandra

Turmeric [anti-inflammatory and hepato-protective]



Panax ginseng

siberian ginseng

chelidonium

licorice [anti-inflammatory; adrenal/adaptogen/hepato-protective]





Amino acids -

        l-taurine [only from animal sources] or tabs [works similar to

silybum as hepato-protective]

        l-methionine converts to l-cysteine which converts to l-taurine

                Our detox enzymes are  dependent on l-taurine. Vegans           may be taurine

deficient as methionine & cysteine may be               used up in glutathione

pathways.





Avoid alcohol, paracetamol & caffeine.



Increase garlic, eggs, onions [sulphur containing] which  helps produce

glutathione.



You need also selenium.





Hep C is thought to be transmitted by blood and possible sex contact,

sharing needles, mother to baby, blood transfusions esp. prior to 10

years ago, person to person contact ie sharing toothbrushes, razors.

Possible but rare through saliva. Any latent virus ie cytomegalovirus,

EBV, Herpes simplex, Yellow fever, ross river fever, glandular is

thought to be able to cause hepatitis.





At the end of 6 months on Interferon one is thought of as being cured if

normal ALT levels. One needs non-active viral antibodies undetected at

the end of 6mths.If there are normal liver function tests at this time

then there needs to be a negative PCR test done.



You don't really want me to tell you the side-effects of Interferon do

you.





I'm sure we will be all thinking of you and hpe you can find the best

treatment over there.



Best wishes,



Beverly Shamon

ETERNAL HEALTH CONCEPTS





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduce myself and asking for help

From: - Dorothy Zimmerman <Maiyun@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:18:28 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-28 07:37:27 EDT, you write:



<<

 I have been watching and reading the posts for several weeks now.  I thought

 it was time to introduce myself, tell the group what I am looking for, and

 ask for help.



 I was recently diagnosed as Hepatitis C positive, 9/4/97 to be exact.  I am

 having a liver biopsy done tomorrow to determine the exact extent of damage

 done and decide the best path forward.



 I am 43 years old, married, 3 children.  Have been married 21 years to the

 same woman.  I do not fit into any of the high risk groups for Hep C.  The

 wife tested negative, we decided not to have the kids tested and the doctor

 agreed.



 I am going to approach this from two fronts if possible.  I am most likely

 going to be taking 3 million units of interferon A 3 times a week for a

year.

  I would also like to work the herbal front also.



 I have been speaking to a lady who runs a herb store on Lady's Island SC and

 she told me that the best approach would be to detoxify the liver and then

 work on strengthing it.  She mentioned several detoxification mixtures,  I

 neglected to wrtite down the manufacture or name of the product.  But that

is

 not important, I do not think.



 The problem is I do not really trust the manufactures and packagers and

 sellers of these herbs.  Most I have checked into, Columbia SC and Augusta

 GA, are little more than Multi-Level Marketing sales people and know nothing

 about their product.  If the manufactures do not care about the knowledge

 level of their sales people, how can I trust their committment to quality

 control while packaging.  The lady in Lady's island sounded as if she knew

 what she was talking about and sold more than one brand.



 Anyway,  I was wondering if I could grow and refine my own herbal tinticures

 and extracts for liver detoxification and strengthing?  I have found several

 sites on the web that sell seeds and plants.  Does anyone have advice or

 thoughts they would care to share with me?  All will be welcome, pro and

con.

  Thanks in advance.



 There, as in everyones live, have been several cusp events, where the

outcome

 of a single event determines the course of all future events.  The birth of

 my children, my marriage, the current choice of job,  controled and knew of

 these.  I didn't know how or where I got Hep C,  but I fear it could have

 been controled if I knew.  Tomorrow is another cusp event.  The results of

 the liver biopsy will determine the course of the rest of my life.



 Sorry to bore y'all.  Thanks again for all your help.

  >>



Let me first say that anytime you share part of yourself it is never boring -

second, I live in Lexington, SC and there is a store here that I would

suggest you call, called natures way, which is located on hwy 1 in West

Columbia.  I buy a product called PediActive ADD from them to give to my son.

 The people there are knowledgeable about their products and they truly seem

to care.  Until you are able to grow your own herbs this may be a viable

interim alternative.



Good luck on the results of your test - Take care of you for your sake and

your families.



Dory





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduce myself and asking for help

From: Kathy Haag <KR1989@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 17:05:22 -0400

--------

I grow many of my own herbs and love it.  I add more to my garden every year.

 Not only do I have the peace of mind of knowing exactly what I'm taking, but

my gardening time is something I enjoy greatly.  Make sure you label what you

plant,(The first year I planted tons of plants without labeling and by the

time they came up I couldn't remember what they were!)  :)  Also, do research

on what you plan to take.  Many people who seem very knowledgable about what

they sell really aren't.  When I was pregnant my asthma got worse and in the

process of trying to find herbs to help I was told to take many things I

found out later were very unsafe for pregnancy.  I'm glad I did my research

first.  Good luck!



Kathy





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduce myself and asking for help

From: jmission <jmission@INDY.NET>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 19:27:31 -0500

--------

The only thing that may not be correct in this email is what Hep C is.  Hep

C has some aspects of hep A and hep B, but 1) unlike hep b, hep c is not

cronic/terminable and communicable by normal human contact, although all

three can be transmitted by sex, blood, ect. 2) similar to hep A tends to be

food (or ingestibles such as smoking ciggerettes) related, 3) typically hep

c tends to be related to bad shellfish, flies transmitting it from one food

to anohter - such as on a "serve yourself banquet table" and 4) hep c can be

completely cured.



Query your doctor about exactly which hepititis you have.  Only the hep B

will be with you for life.  The other two (according to how much liver

damage has occurred) can be treated and cured, with only periodic blood

checks for liver functioning.



j



At 10:02 PM 9/28/97 +1000, you wrote:

>Chip Reuis wrote:

>>

>> I have been watching and reading the posts for several weeks now.  I thought

>> it was time to introduce myself, tell the group what I am looking for, and

>> ask for help.

>>

>> I was recently diagnosed as Hepatitis C positive, 9/4/97 to be exact.  I am

>> having a liver biopsy done tomorrow to determine the exact extent of damage

>> done and decide the best path forward.

>>

>> I am 43 years old, married, 3 children.  Have been married 21 years to the

>> same woman.  I do not fit into any of the high risk groups for Hep C.  The

>> wife tested negative, we decided not to have the kids tested and the doctor

>> agreed.

>>

>> I am going to approach this from two fronts if possible.  I am most likely

>> going to be taking 3 million units of interferon A 3 times a week for a year.

>>  I would also like to work the herbal front also.

>>

>> I have been speaking to a lady who runs a herb store on Lady's Island SC and

>> she told me that the best approach would be to detoxify the liver and then

>> work on strengthing it.  She mentioned several detoxification mixtures,  I

>> neglected to wrtite down the manufacture or name of the product.  But that is

>> not important, I do not think.

>>

>> The problem is I do not really trust the manufactures and packagers and

>> sellers of these herbs.  Most I have checked into, Columbia SC and Augusta

>> GA, are little more than Multi-Level Marketing sales people and know nothing

>> about their product.  If the manufactures do not care about the knowledge

>> level of their sales people, how can I trust their committment to quality

>> control while packaging.  The lady in Lady's island sounded as if she knew

>> what she was talking about and sold more than one brand.

>>

>> Anyway,  I was wondering if I could grow and refine my own herbal tinticures

>> and extracts for liver detoxification and strengthing?  I have found several

>> sites on the web that sell seeds and plants.  Does anyone have advice or

>> thoughts they would care to share with me?  All will be welcome, pro and con.

>>  Thanks in advance.

>>

>> There, as in everyones live, have been several cusp events, where the outcome

>> of a single event determines the course of all future events.  The birth of

>> my children, my marriage, the current choice of job,  controled and knew of

>> these.  I didn't know how or where I got Hep C,  but I fear it could have

>> been controled if I knew.  Tomorrow is another cusp event.  The results of

>> the liver biopsy will determine the course of the rest of my life.

>>

>> Sorry to bore y'all.  Thanks again for all your help.

>

>

>

>Dear Chip,

>

>Sorry you've received this bad news.

>

>Leave the growing from seeds as an aid to your future education.You need

>treatment now.

>I think you need to be under the treatment of a professionally trained

>practitioner.

>

>

>This if some of the info. I have.

>

>Firstly detox.

>Support digestion

>bowel supprt

>support immune system

>use anti-inflamatories

>

>Vit. C [ascorbic acid is more anti-viral]

>

>Herbs

>Astragalus and Vit C will enhance natural interferon levels.

>Silybum marianum helps ALT levels.  Use 10gms day

>

>Globe artichoke

>dandelion

>Schizandra

>Turmeric [anti-inflammatory and hepato-protective]

>

>Panax ginseng

>siberian ginseng

>chelidonium

>licorice [anti-inflammatory; adrenal/adaptogen/hepato-protective]

>

>

>Amino acids -

>        l-taurine [only from animal sources] or tabs [works similar to

>silybum as hepato-protective]

>        l-methionine converts to l-cysteine which converts to l-taurine

>                Our detox enzymes are  dependent on l-taurine. Vegans

may be taurine

>deficient as methionine & cysteine may be               used up in glutathione

>pathways.

>

>

>Avoid alcohol, paracetamol & caffeine.

>

>Increase garlic, eggs, onions [sulphur containing] which  helps produce

>glutathione.

>

>You need also selenium.

>

>

>Hep C is thought to be transmitted by blood and possible sex contact,

>sharing needles, mother to baby, blood transfusions esp. prior to 10

>years ago, person to person contact ie sharing toothbrushes, razors.

>Possible but rare through saliva. Any latent virus ie cytomegalovirus,

>EBV, Herpes simplex, Yellow fever, ross river fever, glandular is

>thought to be able to cause hepatitis.

>

>

>At the end of 6 months on Interferon one is thought of as being cured if

>normal ALT levels. One needs non-active viral antibodies undetected at

>the end of 6mths.If there are normal liver function tests at this time

>then there needs to be a negative PCR test done.

>

>You don't really want me to tell you the side-effects of Interferon do

>you.

>

>

>I'm sure we will be all thinking of you and hpe you can find the best

>treatment over there.

>

>Best wishes,

>

>Beverly Shamon

>ETERNAL HEALTH CONCEPTS

>

>





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduce myself and asking for help

From: "Toni M. Starling" <Tmstar626@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:26:23 -0400

--------

I ussually lurk but this issue is so important that even though it is off

subject I felt compelled to write.  It is such a devastating disease that so

much misinformation is out and a bout that I just had to give some facts on

it.  Education is the key to prevention and through keeping myself healthy

remission is a reality!!!



You wrote....

The only thing that may not be correct in this email is what Hep C is.  Hep

C has some aspects of hep A and hep B, but 1) unlike hep b, hep c is not

cronic/terminable and communicable by normal human contact, although all

three can be transmitted by sex, blood, ect. 2) similar to hep A tends to be

food (or ingestibles such as smoking ciggerettes) related, 3) typically hep

c tends to be related to bad shellfish, flies transmitting it from one food

to anohter - such as on a "serve yourself banquet table" and 4) hep c can be

completely cured.

Actually most of the above statement is incorrect.

Here are some facts about HEP A,B, C, some on D and E also

you cannot get hep A from smoking cigarettes.



 Hepatitis is an inflammation of the liver caused by a hepatitis virus. There

are several types of hepatitis infections; the three most common in the US

are A,B, and C. Hepatitis A is considered the least threatening since it

generally does not lead to liver damage, and 99% of those infected fully

recover. Hepatitis B is a serious viral disease that attacks the liver.

Approximately 2-10% of adults and 25-80% of children under the age of 5 will

not be able to clear the virus in six months and are considered to be

chronically infected. Hepatitis C also causes inflammation of the liver, with

an estimated 80% of those infected developing chronic hepatitis. Many can

develop cirrhosis (scarring of the liver), and some may also develop liver

cancer.



 Hepatitis A is transmitted through fecally contaminated food or water and

anal/oral contact. Transmission of Hepatitis B and C involves contact with

infected blood and body fluids. It is often impossible to trace the source of

an individual's hepatitis infection.



 It is perfectly safe to visit someone with hepatitis - the virus is not

transmitted through casual contact. It is OK to shake hands, hug or kiss

someone who is infected with viral hepatitis.

 Hepatitis B is often sexually transmitted. The virus is 100 times more

infectious than AIDS and is found in blood, semen and vaginal fluids. Sexual

partners of an infected person should practice safe sex and be vaccinated for

hepatitis B. (Those who have recovered from HBV are immune.) Hepatitis C is

not easily transmitted through sexual contact, however, researchers are

uncertain how often transmission occurs. Hepatitis A may be spread through

anal/oral contact during sex. Vaccines are available for Hepatitis A and B,

but not C.



 There is no treatment for Hepatitis A. In 99% of reported cases the

infection will clear up over a period of a few weeks to months. Currently,

the only FDA approved treatment for Hepatitis B or C is interferon.

Hepatitis C: Clinical Features



The average incubation period for hepatitis C is generally 6-7 weeks with a

range of 2 weeks to 26 weeks. About 30% to 40% of persons with acute

infection develop symptomatic illness and 20% to 30% have jaundice. Chronic

liver disease develops in about 70% of persons who become infected with HCV

and nearly all (85%-100%) persons with acute HCV infection become

persistently infected; these persons are at risk for developing cirrhosis and

liver cancer. No protective antibody response has been identified following

HCV infection.

Risk Factors Associated with Transmission of HCV



Percutaneous exposures, including transfusion and transplantation from an

infectious donor and injecting drug use, are the most efficient modes of HCV

transmission. The overall prevalence of antiHCV among persons with these

exposures generally exceeds 60%. Other types of percutaneous exposures,

including hemodialysis and needlestick injuries, have also been associated

with HCV transmission. The risk of HCV transmission following a needlestick

exposure to an antiHCV-positive patient is approximately 5% to 10%. Other

risk factors that have been associated with HCV transmission include sexual

or household exposure to an antiHCV-positive contact, having multiple sex

partners, and being an infant of an HCVinfected mother. However, the

magnitude of the risk associated with these exposures has not been well

defined.



For more info try this site and other links connected to that site.



http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/slideset/hep00051.htm



Good luck.

tmstar





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduce myself and asking for help

From: "[Donna Racik]" <DRacik@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:20:19 -0400

--------

RE: Hepatitus C

I would like to add that milk thistle tincture is a good protector as well

 as rebuilder of the liver.  A friend of mine who had to use interferon for a

while had excellent results using milk thistle tincture 30 minutes before

treatment.  SHe had had to stop previously because of the damage it was doing

to her liver.  The milk thistle seemed to protect it and kept her blood in a

better range.  Good luck and many blessings.





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduce myself and asking for help

From: jmission <jmission@INDY.NET>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:53:35 -0500

--------

Yes Education is the key.  Please see the comments below.



At 10:26 PM 9/28/97 -0400, you wrote:

>I ussually lurk but this issue is so important that even though it is off

>subject I felt compelled to write.  It is such a devastating disease that so

>much misinformation is out and a bout that I just had to give some facts on

>it.  Education is the key to prevention and through keeping myself healthy

>remission is a reality!!!

>

>You wrote....

>The only thing that may not be correct in this email is what Hep C is.  Hep

>C has some aspects of hep A and hep B, but 1) unlike hep b, hep c is not

>cronic/terminable and communicable by normal human contact, although all

>three can be transmitted by sex, blood, ect. 2) similar to hep A tends to be

>food (or ingestibles such as smoking ciggerettes) related, 3) typically hep

>c tends to be related to bad shellfish, flies transmitting it from one food

>to anohter - such as on a "serve yourself banquet table" and 4) hep c can be

>completely cured.

>Actually most of the above statement is incorrect.

>Here are some facts about HEP A,B, C, some on D and E also

>you cannot get hep A from smoking cigarettes.

--but you can if they are not over the counter ciggerettes.  I was trying to

be somewhat discreet. But then again, if a person is sharing ciggerettes,

that person would run the risk of picking up a hepitatis through the other's

salivia



>

> Hepatitis is an inflammation of the liver caused by a hepatitis virus. There

>are several types of hepatitis infections; the three most common in the US

>are A,B, and C. Hepatitis A is considered the least threatening since it

>generally does not lead to liver damage, and 99% of those infected fully

>recover.

--Hepatitis A - typically transmitted in "dirty food," flies, human or

animal poop.



>Hepatitis B is a serious viral disease that attacks the liver.

>Approximately 2-10% of adults and 25-80% of children under the age of 5 will

>not be able to clear the virus in six months and are considered to be

>chronically infected.

--A disease you have when you die.  A disease you can die from without

proper treatment.  Although hep b can be in "remission" (and non

communicable) for years with proper treatment.



>Hepatitis C also causes inflammation of the liver, with

>an estimated 80% of those infected developing chronic hepatitis.

--This statement is referring to Hepatitis B.  Sorry.  All hepatitis casues

inflammaiton of the liver to some extent



>Many can

>develop cirrhosis (scarring of the liver), and some may also develop liver

>cancer.

--All heptitis (A, B, and C) can cause scarring of the liver to some extent.

Drinking alchohol, taking birth control pills and other drugs that are

washed out by the liver is contra indicated.



>

> Hepatitis A is transmitted through fecally contaminated food or water and

>anal/oral contact. Transmission of Hepatitis B and C involves contact with

>infected blood and body fluids. It is often impossible to trace the source of

>an individual's hepatitis infection.

--Hep A and C are transmitted through fecally contaminated food, bad seafood

(esp shellfish with poop still in them), flies alighting on food and using

personally rolled ciggerettes or other illegal/nonsanctioned substances

(hands are more likely to have come in contact with poop, ect. and not

washed).  Hep B can definantely be transmitted by blood/body fluids, but

also by normal virus (similar to how colds are passed) transmissions.



>

> It is perfectly safe to visit someone with hepatitis - the virus is not

>transmitted through casual contact.

--Not when disease is active - Hep b is very communicable.



>It is OK to shake hands, hug or kiss

>someone who is infected with viral hepatitis.

--Possibly in hep A.  Definately not during active disease in hep b or c





> Hepatitis B is often sexually transmitted. The virus is 100 times more

>infectious than AIDS and is found in blood, semen and vaginal fluids. Sexual

>partners of an infected person should practice safe sex and be vaccinated for

>hepatitis B.

--True.  AIDS virus *tends* to die when air hits it (thus it is seldom, if

ever, found in saliva or tears on a persons face). Hep B also has the

ability to be transmitted through casual contact, and the same way colds are

passed as well as the methods stated above.



>(Those who have recovered from HBV are immune.)

--This I do not know.  I'll do some research - or ask my doctor.



Hepatitis C is

>not easily transmitted through sexual contact, however, researchers are

>uncertain how often transmission occurs. Hepatitis A may be spread through

>anal/oral contact during sex.

--I'll do some research - or ask my doctor.





>Vaccines are available for Hepatitis A and B,

>but not C.

--I know about B, have not heard about A or C yet.  I'll do some research -

or ask my doctor.



>

> There is no treatment for Hepatitis A. In 99% of reported cases the

>infection will clear up over a period of a few weeks to months. Currently,

>the only FDA approved treatment for Hepatitis B or C is interferon.

--Hep C - if I remember correctly, was treated with steroids.  I'll do some

research - or ask my doctor.



>Hepatitis C: Clinical Features

>

>The average incubation period for hepatitis C is generally 6-7 weeks with a

>range of 2 weeks to 26 weeks. About 30% to 40% of persons with acute

>infection develop symptomatic illness and 20% to 30% have jaundice. Chronic

>liver disease develops in about 70% of persons who become infected with HCV

>and nearly all (85%-100%) persons with acute HCV infection become

>persistently infected; these persons are at risk for developing cirrhosis and

>liver cancer. No protective antibody response has been identified following

>HCV infection.

>Risk Factors Associated with Transmission of HCV

>

>Percutaneous exposures, including transfusion and transplantation from an

>infectious donor and injecting drug use, are the most efficient modes of HCV

>transmission. The overall prevalence of antiHCV among persons with these

>exposures generally exceeds 60%. Other types of percutaneous exposures,

>including hemodialysis and needlestick injuries, have also been associated

>with HCV transmission. The risk of HCV transmission following a needlestick

>exposure to an antiHCV-positive patient is approximately 5% to 10%. Other

>risk factors that have been associated with HCV transmission include sexual

>or household exposure to an antiHCV-positive contact, having multiple sex

>partners, and being an infant of an HCVinfected mother. However, the

>magnitude of the risk associated with these exposures has not been well

>defined.

>

>For more info try this site and other links connected to that site.

>

>http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/diseases/hepatitis/slideset/hep00051.htm

>

>Good luck.

>tmstar

>

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Allergies

From: "L. Seyler" <Seylerl@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 09:11:42 -0400

--------

Dear List,



My neighbors 11 year old son suffers dreadfully from allergies... he's been

on every antibiotic known to man. :(   He's prone to sinus infections to

boot.



I've read on the list that nettles and bee pollen are supposed to be helpful.

 Would someone please advise me on the amounts an 80 pound eleven year old

should ingest.



Also if there are any other herbs that might be helpful.



Thanks very much!



Lisa

SeylerL@aol.com





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Allergies

From: - Dorothy Zimmerman <Maiyun@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:23:20 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-28 09:12:25 EDT, you write:



<< Dear List,



 My neighbors 11 year old son suffers dreadfully from allergies... he's been

 on every antibiotic known to man. :(   He's prone to sinus infections to

 boot.



 I've read on the list that nettles and bee pollen are supposed to be

helpful.

  Would someone please advise me on the amounts an 80 pound eleven year old

 should ingest.



 Also if there are any other herbs that might be helpful.



 Thanks very much!



 Lisa

  >>





Lisa,



I used to have sinus infections every two months - I would get over one and

have another one in no time - until I read in my book on home remedies that

milk can cause sinus infections in people who are sensitive to it.  I have

been sensitive to it as a child but had thought I had out grown it.  However,

once I eliminated dairy from my diet the infections stopped.  The last time I

had one was when I thought I try the dairy again because I love ice cream.

 In a week I was back on the antibiotics.  Just a thought you might want to

pass on to your friend.



Dory





==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Allergies

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 03:27:58 +1000

--------

L. Seyler wrote:

>

> Dear List,

>

> My neighbors 11 year old son suffers dreadfully from allergies... he's been

> on every antibiotic known to man. :(   He's prone to sinus infections to

> boot.

>

> I've read on the list that nettles and bee pollen are supposed to be helpful.

>  Would someone please advise me on the amounts an 80 pound eleven year old

> should ingest.

>

> Also if there are any other herbs that might be helpful.

>

> Thanks very much!

>

> Lisa

> SeylerL@aol.com







Dear Lisa,



He needs good bacteria in his gut. Reinforce with lactrobacillus/bifidus

bacteria.  Stay off the dairy products.



Get someone to make him a herbal mix with some herbs such as grindelia

[to lessen allergic response], agrimony [small intestine function],

dandelion [liver and kidneys], schizandra [immune system], astragalus

[immune system], golden seal [mucous membranes], gentian [help

digestion].

Possibly a little senna to help clear the bowels.



Put him on some licorice and pantonate to help build his adrenal

function.

Use some amino acids such as methionine to help detoxify his liver.



If you can possibly do so - get a source of glutathione for him.







Best Wishes,

Beverly Shamon





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: TCM & acupressure on foot

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:52:58 -0700

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Since my visit to TCM, he corrected what was I believe

a plantars wart on the bottom of my foot with acupuncture

which I removed within 24 hours or a little longer.  My

foot feels swollen and little toe does a little on top or

something, kinda numb in a way.  The plantars wart is

gone I believe.  I try to stay off of it as much as I can.

I was wondering, does anyone know if heat or cold or a

certain compress or what would help this?I am still up and

around; it is just a little irritating.

Linda S.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: TCM & acupressure on foot

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 10:42:53 -0800

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At 11:52 AM 9/28/97 -0700, Mike & Linda Shipley wrote:

>Since my visit to TCM, he corrected what was I believe

>a plantars wart on the bottom of my foot with acupuncture

>which I removed within 24 hours or a little longer.  My

>foot feels swollen and little toe does a little on top or

>something, kinda numb in a way.  The plantars wart is

>gone I believe.  I try to stay off of it as much as I can.

>I was wondering, does anyone know if heat or cold or a

>certain compress or what would help this?I am still up and

>around; it is just a little irritating.

>Linda S.

>

>

Try plain hot vingar for a compress.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: I am Ready!

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:24:08 -0400

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In a message dated 97-09-28 15:12:01 EDT, you write:



<< I hate to be a me-too person, but I would love to learn how to do the

above

 mentioned. Can you send me info? It sounds like loads of fun. I have no idea

 how to make soap.

 Kind regards,

 Donna (I am new to this list)

 Odonnajean@aol.com >>



There are many sites on the web with instructions (soapmakers seem to be the

most generous people).  Here is one:





SOAPMAKING: http://www.lis.ab.ca/walton/old/soaphome.html



For those who didn't get the post, here is how to subscribe to a very good

soap list:



email:

majordomo@UserHome.com



In the text write:



subscribe soap <your email address>



for the digest form, write:



subscribe soap-digest <your email address>



Traiteusse@aol.com

9/38/97

Henrietta Lala





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: I am Ready!

From: "Deborah J. DeLong" <HerbSoaps@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 15:36:08 -0400

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There is also a wonderful BB here on aol.  Go Keyword:  Crafts Niche, then

other crafts, soapmaking.  Really nice people and supply sources.



If you have any other questions, you can e-mail me priviately.



Deborah D.

Heartfelt Herbals & Aromatics





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: how to treat serious dental abscess?

From: Dan Vie <foolish@SMARTT.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 14:21:10 -0800

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Hi folks -



I need to decide if I'm going to proceed with surgical treatment of a

failed root canal. The following raises the question if self-care is

possible or advised in cases of advanced infection. Please excuse the

amount of detail, I feel its needed to assess the seriousness of the

problem.



This tooth has been causing me trouble for about 4 years. It's a large

tooth, second from the lower back. The root canal was performed 2 years

ago and four canals were successfully treated.  However, the tooth

continued to abscess with gum swelling and severe and numbing pain.

Reopening the canals for a 2nd retreatment with calcium was done to

little effect, and the tooth eventually subsided to a sustained low-grade

infection, with a small gum boil providing a drainage valve for

occasional pus. My dentist had never seen a case like this where,

although the root canal looked impeccably clean, there was a continued

and unidentifiable source of infection.  We agreed to wait and see if it

cleared up on its own before performing the crown.



Generally I find myself extremely sensitive to dental work and because of

the number of fillings in my mouth I've been concerned about possible

sensitivity to mercury toxicity, and that this could be one of the main

compromising factors in my health and immune system.I'm familiar with the

book "Root Canal Cover Up" as well and have been to a dentist who

advises, based on the 'focal theory of infection', to never have root

canal treatment and always pull the tooth.  If not, it be be a source of

disease and cause problems throughout the body.  I've decided to try to

save the tooth but because of this long-term saga I've reached the crisis

point on it now.



Although I don't have the strongest immune system, I still believe in my

body's ability to heal itself. But an endodontic specialist has now

advised me that this is impossible and that I have only two options:



    1) an apicoectomy, to surgically open the gums and snip off the roots

of the tooth, in the hope (without any guarantee) that this will remove

the source of the infection (cost about $1000 plus the crown) ; or

    2) yank the tooth out and replace it will a bridge and three crowns

(about $1500). Once the tooth is out, he could guarantee that the lost

bone tissue will grow back and the area will heal.



I asked if I could not continue self-treatment to attempt to clear the

infection. After all, this was the intention of the original root canal,

that my body would re-heal after the infection. His reply: absolutely

not. The condition was obviously worsening and if not treated would

continue to eat my jaw away and potentially affect other teeth as well.

2 years after the root canal work the problem is sustaining at the same

level, with no pain and occassional pus.  Viewing the history of x-rays

over the last two years show the condition has considerably progressed

with significant amount of bone loss.



Well, I don't buy this argument.  If bone can be lost, it can certainly

grow back? Is it possible to regrow lost bone in the jaw area?



 I don't want to blindly buy into the Western *medical mindset* of

surgery at all costs, before attempting to heal myself naturally from a

more holistic model.  So I am seeking advice and instruction on the best

and safest way to proceed on treating myself with combination of

nutritional, herbal (internal and external) plus homeopathic remedies. I

think it could have become much worse except for my vigilant treatment

with remedies named below.



 There is some controversial theory regarding endodontic treatment.  The

first concept is that within the root of the tooth are contained

literally *miles* of tubules, fine tunnels where bacterial infection can

penetrate and 'hide' for years, constant shelter from the bodies defense

system, being almost impossible for the body to heal. This infers not

doing root canals ever, just remove the tooth if infection has reached

the root.



The second is the 'focal theory of infection', in that these dental

infections affect the rest of the body and can be the source of systemic

illness. And that even if the tooth is removed, the hole or 'cavitation'

needs to be thoroughly cleaned or else it will continue to abscess.



I'm worried though.  If I don't listen to my dentist I may be letting the

problem get worse beyond repair.what I don't want to do is just heal the

symptom. If that gum boil heals up and closes there will no longer be

drainage for the infection and pressure and pain will quickly rocket. I

want to maintain a program of complementary therapies that will include

anti-infective, bone-healing, etc.



Astringent herbs to draw the infection out.

Herbs to strengthen my immune system.

Blood cleansers to help the organs clear the toxins from my body.

Bone healing herbs to remineralize my body.

Or?



what treatment will most specifically address the source of infection?





the following are possible choices specific for abscessed conditions:



High doses of Vitamin C, and Vitamin A (Beta-carotene)

mouthwash of hotwater/salt, tea tree oil, grapefruit seed extract, hyd.

peroxide

Echinacea - antibiotic

Goldenseal - antibiotic

Dr. Christopher's bone flesh and cartilage compound internally

       (comfrey, willow, white oak, gravel root)

local application to gums of root canal tooth pack compound to draw out

infection

       (comfrey root, bayberry and white oak, goldenseal, myrhh)

   plus use of similar compound as externally penetrating salve

Septilin (Ayurvedic antibiotic compound, and anti-infective)

Bromelain (anti-inflammatory digestive)

arnica drops (for pain)

Propolis

Calcium/magnesium

Co-enzyme Q-10

Valerian-based compound - nervine

Zinc Picolinate  - throat remedy

Vitamin E

Chaparral, burdock, dandelion, red clover - blood cleansers



The homeopathic symptom picture may indicate silicea both as a

constitutional remedy and as an acute. Alternate being gunpowder as a

specific for post-abscessing. Gunpowder may be better because the boil is

aready open. It's hard to gauge my body's response given the lack of

visible symptoms, yet this could still be considered an 'acute' condition?



I find that because of my immune system weakness, during times of stress

my resistance is lower and the problem increases more rapidly. Sensibly a

short mineralizing fast drinking green broths etc would allow my whole

system to clear. However because of the change of season and my already

being underweight I'm not sure I can handle fasting.





from the above, what would you recommend as best in creating a treatment

regime?





Thanks,



Dan Vie

foolish@smartt.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: how to treat serious dental abscess?

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 01:16:46 -0400

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DAN.



HOLY S _ _ _ T,   you do have a bit of a problem and it sounds like the right

approach is where you are leaning - no surgery till you can sort this thing

out - All of what you have put down in your post is good - though it may tend

to give you a very loose bowel when done all at once - alternate the

goldenseal with oregon grape on a 7 day schedule - and add some acidophilus

just to keep the lower tract healthy and with good flora -  I'd also add some

horsetail - nettle  and alfalfa - to help in rebuilding the lost gum - this

works particularly well for bones and is something I suugest frequently for

osteoporosis and osteoarthritis - with very good results  BUT - even before

you start on your regimen  - tell the dentist that you want him to write you

out a order for a "24 hour provocative urine analysis"  and insist that he do

it - if your health plan doesn''t cover dental related stuff - get your MD to

do it - because its not cheap - and have a complete screening done  - and be

certain that they include  minerals and ALL metals.  It sounds very very much

to me that you have metal poisoning - either mercury, lead, or aluminum or a

combination of them which the body is trying valiantly to deal with but is

unable to because the source hasn't been eradicated - if  you have fillings -

which it sounds like you do - with all of the work in and around your mouth -

I would suspect that the mercury in the filings is leaching into your jaw and

precluding the body's immune system from doing its job -  If you find

elevated metal levels - which means ANY Lead, Mercury or Aluminum - and I

suspect that you will, you must first eliminate the source - then undergo a

chelating program to flush them from you system - in your case I would opt

for the Intravenous method twice or three times over a month and a half -

with urine analyses in between to see how the levels are dropping - if tis

mercury you will have to find a dentist to remove all of your mercury amalgam

fillings - at once - most dentists do not want to do that - insist or find a

new one that will - and get your medical plan to pay for it  - it is in their

best interest - this could make you a lot sicker than you alerady are.

Hope this helps a bit  - it is not theory  - it is based on a couple of real

life conditions that we have encountered and fixed -

peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: how to treat serious dental abscess?

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 07:26:56 -0400

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Acupuncture may help stop the degeneration and keep the Qi flowing as you are

finding new methods to stop the infection.  I would use it along with your

other approaches.  I'm surprised you don't have shoulder problems along with

it.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala

9/29/97





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hepatitis C

From: Kathy Samuelson <RUnotWHOur@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 18:25:16 -0400

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Not boring at all. I am so sorry for your illness. An old friend of mine had

this and she was a nurse. She said she probably contracted it while working.

Could you please enlighten us on some of the "facts" surrounding Hep C? Is it

a new hepatitis? How is it contracted? Whats the treatment? thanks kat





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hepatitis C

From: CoraLynn McKelvy <coralynnmckelvy@USA.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:35:55 -0700

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Kathy Samuelson wrote:

>

> Not boring at all. I am so sorry for your illness. An old friend of

> mine had this and she was a nurse. She said she probably contracted it

> while working.

> Could you please enlighten us on some of the "facts" surrounding Hep C?

> Is it a new hepatitis? How is it contracted? Whats the treatment? >

> thanks kat



I also have Hep C, since 1983, picked it up through blood transfusions

necessitated by a severe car accident. Fortunately mine is not active at

this time. I've been told that it can lie dormant for 20-30 years & then

become active.



It is not new at all, they have known about it for 30 some years. It used

to be called Non-A Non-B Hepatitis. There is no treatment. In severe

cases they try interferon, which is not successful in over 50% of the

cases. Many people have it & don't know. Several famous people have

contracted it: Naomi Judd (nursing), Micky Mantle.



They are not even sure how it is contracted/passed! Supposedly it is only

"through the exchange of body fluids". When I married my current husband

we were told that eventually he would probably contract it because of

"intimate" contact. It is the fastest growing disease in "the 3rd world"

countries, faster than Aids. Here it is postulated that it is passed by

sharing drinking containers, food utensils, tooth brushes, shared

needles, etc. Some have postulated that it can be passed airborne, by

sneezing, no one knows for sure.



There are no symptoms until severe liver damage has occurred. The most

successful treatment found so far is a liver transplant (such as Micky

Mantle had, not successful in his case). This usually is not really

considered until the person is facing imminent death, unless you have a

lot of money & can pay for it yourself.



Of course, anything taxing on the liver is bad & can lead to activation

of the virus. I have been told that it is a waiting death sentence & to

just enjoy what time I have, day by day.



CoraLynn

ne TN

coralynnmckelvy@usa.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hepatitis C

From: Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 13:53:51 -0400

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So are you using liver herbs?  Have any of them been helpful?

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:35:55 -0700 CoraLynn McKelvy

<coralynnmckelvy@USA.NET> writes:

>

>I also have Hep C, since 1983, picked it up through blood transfusions



>

>Of course, anything taxing on the liver is bad & can lead to activation

>of the virus. I have been told that it is a waiting death sentence &

>to just enjoy what time I have, day by day.

>

>CoraLynn

>ne TN

>coralynnmckelvy@usa.net

>





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: introduction of me!!

From: "Erin J. Santos-Rollins" <Orngestarr@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:57:18 -0400

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hello.. i am a college student who is very interested in herbs for the

treatment of insomnia and energy..any new ideas?

thanks,

erin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Throat infections

From: "Dresner, Richard" <Richard.Dresner@ANITESYSTEMS.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:05:46 +0100

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Hi to all.



I suffer from a cycle of recurrent throat infections every winter. This

usually begins with soreness after exposure to high levels of pollution

from traffic. Once the throat has become sensitive in this way, I tend

to cough (especially in the morning) which only makes things worse.

Thus I spend up to 6 months a year with a constantly painful throat.



I also suffer from allergic rhinitis, but I treat this successfully with

a nasal spray.



Does anybody know of any herbal remedies to



1. Soothe sore throats in the short term



2. Reduce the over-night build-up of mucus in the throat



3. Help improve resistance to infection via the throat and improve the

immune system.



Please help me - I'm desperate to avoid another lousy winter.



Thanks in advance,



Rick.





richard.dresner@anitesytems.com

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2.0K bytes

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Throat infections

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:45:16 -0400

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In a message dated 97-09-29 06:11:34 EDT, Rick Dresner writes:



<< Does anybody know of any herbal remedies to

 1. Soothe sore throats in the short term

 2. Reduce the over-night build-up of mucus in the throat

 3. Help improve resistance to infection via the throat and improve the

 immune system.

  Please help me - I'm desperate to avoid another lousy winter.

  Thanks in advance,

  Rick.>>



Rick,



Sounds like you also have a deep seated - ongoing- infection or immune

deficiency and a liver that is running very close to the line most of the

time.  Try cleansing the liver and see what happens - get back to me off list

for a "verboten" suggestion as well.

peter





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Throat infections

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 18:56:50 -0800

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At 12:05 PM 9/29/97 +0100, Dresner, Richard wrote:

>Hi to all.

>

>I suffer from a cycle of recurrent throat infections every winter. This

>usually begins with soreness after exposure to high levels of pollution

>from traffic. Once the throat has become sensitive in this way, I tend

>to cough (especially in the morning) which only makes things worse.

>Thus I spend up to 6 months a year with a constantly painful throat.

>

>I also suffer from allergic rhinitis, but I treat this successfully with

>a nasal spray.



Are you one of those addicted to over-the-counter nasal sprays?  Not a very

good idea to take these for long periods of time.  Your rhinitis and sore

throat are related.  You have to fix them both.  OTC nasal sprays will not

cure rhinitis, only suppress symptoms.



>

>Does anybody know of any herbal remedies to

>

>1. Soothe sore throats in the short term

>

>2. Reduce the over-night build-up of mucus in the throat

>

>3. Help improve resistance to infection via the throat and improve the

>immune system.

>

>Please help me - I'm desperate to avoid another lousy winter.

>

>Thanks in advance,

>

>Rick.

>

>

>richard.dresner@anitesytems.com

>

>Attachment Converted: "C:\EUDORA\Attach\Throat infections"

>

Go to your local Chinese herbalist and look into some Gan Mao Ling, Shen

Chu, or Xiao Chai Hu Tan Wan.  Get some acupuncture and stop suffering.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dengue Fever

From: "[Donna Racik]" <DRacik@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 08:03:53 -0400

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I have a friend, recently returned from India, who contracted dengue fever

(also known as breakbone fever) while there.   It is viral, contracted from a

mosquito bite, characterized by a high fever, muscle and joint  pain and

general weakness and depression.  Since he's returned he's had small

relapses, which consist of total exhaustion and muscle aches, and makes him

have to go to bed for several days.  I thought that St. John's Wort might be

of some of some assistance to help support his nervous and muscular system

and being an antiviral to boot!  Any suggestions or comments would be deeply

appreciated!  Blessings, Donna





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dengue Fever

From: EHC <ehc@ION.COM.AU>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 22:13:19 +1000

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[Donna Racik] wrote:

>

> I have a friend, recently returned from India, who contracted dengue fever

> (also known as breakbone fever) while there.   It is viral, contracted from a

> mosquito bite, characterized by a high fever, muscle and joint  pain and

> general weakness and depression.  Since he's returned he's had small

> relapses, which consist of total exhaustion and muscle aches, and makes him

> have to go to bed for several days.  I thought that St. John's Wort might be

> of some of some assistance to help support his nervous and muscular system

> and being an antiviral to boot!  Any suggestions or comments would be deeply

> appreciated!  Blessings, Donna









Dear Donna,



Her are some generalised suggestions for virus-type conditions.



Loads Vit. C

Hydrogen peroxide

choline



poke root to raise T-cell count [watch the dose]

Build up body's resistance with echinacea 6 weeks on and 1 week off with

picorrhiza



Zinc, Folic acid, B5 &6 for support of immune function



Vit. E & A [2 x 10,000 units day is sometimes recommended]



Use adaptogens such as ginseng



St. John's wort is good



Astragalus & licorice



shiitake mushroom



selenium.



Lots of rest and moderate exercise.







Hope your friend does well,







Beverly Shamon





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dengue Fever

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:07:01 -0800

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At 08:03 AM 9/29/97 -0400, [Donna Racik] wrote:

>I have a friend, recently returned from India, who contracted dengue fever

>(also known as breakbone fever) while there.   It is viral, contracted from a

>mosquito bite, characterized by a high fever, muscle and joint  pain and

>general weakness and depression.  Since he's returned he's had small

>relapses, which consist of total exhaustion and muscle aches, and makes him

>have to go to bed for several days.  I thought that St. John's Wort might be

>of some of some assistance to help support his nervous and muscular system

>and being an antiviral to boot!  Any suggestions or comments would be deeply

>appreciated!  Blessings, Donna

>

>

Try Boneset (Eupatorium perf.).  Most "fevers" respond to diaphoretics.  I

think I'd use a combo of Boneset, Yarrow and Elder flowers.  It should help

these sypmtoms.  You might also add some Goldenseal, Myrrh, Capsicum and

ginger.  Use liberally.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: shoulder pain was -dental abscess?

From: Barbara Birkinbine <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 10:06:04 -0400

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In a message dated 97-09-29 07:29:44 EDT, Henrietta writes:



<< Acupuncture may help stop the degeneration and keep the Qi flowing as you

are

 finding new methods to stop the infection.  I would use it along with your

 other approaches.  I'm surprised you don't have shoulder problems along with

 it. >>



Henrietta,  I have read other posts from you that have mentioned shoulder

pain in relation to health problems.  What is the relationship?  Why do you

suspect that certain conditions can produce shoulder pain?  What is shoulder

pain indicative of when managing health problems?

Curious,



Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

Medicinal Herb Grower

OakCamp@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: shoulder pain was -dental abscess?

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:59:39 -0400

--------

In a message dated 97-09-29 10:13:40 EDT, you write:



<< In a message dated 97-09-29 07:29:44 EDT, Henrietta writes:



 << Acupuncture may help stop the degeneration and keep the Qi flowing as you

 are

  finding new methods to stop the infection.  I would use it along with your

  other approaches.  I'm surprised you don't have shoulder problems along

with

  it. >>



 Henrietta,  I have read other posts from you that have mentioned shoulder

 pain in relation to health problems.  What is the relationship?  Why do you

 suspect that certain conditions can produce shoulder pain?  What is shoulder

 pain indicative of when managing health problems?

 Curious,



 Barb Birkinbine

 Oak Camp Co

 Medicinal Herb Grower

 OakCamp@aol.com >>



Trouble in certain areas will travel along the meridians (energy channels) in

the body to other areas.  Pain in a certain area of the foot for example can

indicate kidney trouble.

In the case of your majorly infected molar and jaw degeneration, I would have

suspected lymph involvement and stagnation in the area of the shoulder where

the meridian from that area passes.  Perhaps pain on movement, an arthritic

condition, heat, etc.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala

9/29/97





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: shoulder pain was -dental abscess?

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:13:52 -0400

--------

>

>  Henrietta,  I have read other posts from you that have mentioned shoulder

>  pain in relation to health problems.  What is the relationship?



>

> Trouble in certain areas will travel along the meridians (energy channels) in

> the body to other areas.







I can tell you this is true. On myself, I can feel a "trigger point"

under my shoulder blade which warns me that I may have some bronchial

or lung trouble comming on. My massage therapist can find these points

a lot of the time (OUCH!)

--------------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

--------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Artemisia tinct, was Re: western patent herbal medicine

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:46:23 GMT

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On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:45:14 +0100, Miekal And <dtv@MWT.NET> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Henriette Kress wrote:

>> Anyone? I'll let you taste the Artemisia ludoviciana (?)

>> 'hedlii' white sage tinct as a reward (now -that- one's good. Tastes

>> almost like osha. Howie, what white sage would do that? Fresh, in full

>>flower, 1:3, 45%),

>

>in this usage what does the 1:3 mean?



1 part (by weight) fresh herb : 3 parts (by volume) alcohol, 45 %.



So for 100 g fresh herb you use 3 dl (about 300 g) 45% alcohol as menstruum.

(I use those modern measures: 100 g water = 1 dl water = 1 deciliter.)



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Adaptogens, was: Re: western patent herbal medicine

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 17:52:20 GMT

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On Mon, 29 Sep 1997 12:49:08 +0100, Miekal And <dtv@MWT.NET> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Henriette Kress wrote:

>

>> - what we've been handling lately: anybody ever use Leuzea rhaponticum, aka

>> Rhaponticum carthamoides, aka Leuzea carthamoides, aka maral root, a Russian

>> (Siberian, actually) adaptogen? It grows beautifully large (2+ meters), and I

>> just got half a kilo of fresh root. It looks and feels like wire (yes, it is

>> fresh - I dug it up myself), and is practically impossible to break down into

>> smaller pieces. I had to use an ax on the main clump to get it to separate

>> into strands - whew!). I'm tincturing it as we speak.

>

>hardy to what zone? 



Siberian. Winter. Cold. Lots of snow and ice. Zone? Can't say. Will grow VERY

far to the north. Like Helsinki, Jyvskyl, Oulu. Seeds? Impossible to get hold

of, unless you have friends in Finland ;) or Russia. Or you could try to wheedle

Conrad Richter into giving you some, if he still has any.



>& what kind of growing conditions does it need?



Try good dark preferably sandy dirt, and sun. You don't want to put it into clay

as you would -never- be able to dig it up.



>does it have specific uses?



It's yet another adaptogen. Like ginseng, eleuthero, you tell me which the

others are. I'm testing adaptogens, the ones I can get, but want to know if

anyone else has used this particular one.



Or Sedum / Rhodiola rosea root, for that matter.



Henriette



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Insomnia and energy, was: Re: introduction of me!!

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:09:55 GMT

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On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 22:57:18 -0400, "Erin J. Santos-Rollins"

<Orngestarr@AOL.COM> wrote to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>hello.. i am a college student who is very interested in herbs for the

>treatment of insomnia and energy..any new ideas?



That depends. What are your old ideas?



Henriette



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomnia and energy, was: Re: introduction of me!!

From: "Erin J. Santos-Rollins" <Orngestarr@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:40:34 -0400

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my old ideas?  mom taught me the power of sleepytime tea. i have also tried

the new melotonin tea. for energy... classic ginseng. im pretty new to this

so anything is amusing... thanks!! erin





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: A visit to Richters

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-HOT.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 14:36:12 -0500

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

From: Mary Lu <Sexylegs@2-hot.com>

Subject: A visit to Richters



I will be going to Richters Herbs this coming week.  I was wondering, if

you were going, what one or two, maybe three, things would you bring back

from there?  You can respond directly to me if you want.



Mary Lu

Sexylegs@2-hot.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Problems with toothpaste, was Re: Reflux gas vs. heart attack

From: Stacey <swreath@NETPLUSCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 13:29:54 -0700

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I have problems with most kinds of toothpaste, gagging/vomiting whenever

I brushed my teeth, and by experimenting with differend kinds I

discovered that it was the saccharin in the toothpaste, rather than mint

or fluoride that was the problem.  I now use Tom's of Maine (no

commercial interest) and have no problems.  The cinnamon flavor is great

and they also make kids' flavors.



**********************************************

Stacey

mailto:swreath@netpluscom.com

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2723/

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: High blood pressure and others

From: Vicki Dame <GalenaMtRo@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 20:53:11 -0400

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I have a suggestion, and hope this is all right on this list.  Anyway, my

suggestion is:



Try reading a book called "Protein Power" by Michael R. Eades, M.D. and Mary

Dan Eades, M.D.  It's a fascinating book, and the protein doesn't have to

come from animal sources.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hmmmm, acne

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 19:26:04 -0800

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A while back my 10 yr old daughter began getting serious acne all over her

face, fine, almost rash like.  I did the usual stuff with cleansing inside

and out but it didn't seem to help.  I got a wild hare to treat her for

hormone imbalance and began to give her 1 capsule of Vitex twice daily.

The improvement was almost immediate.  I could see the problem fading on a

daily basis.  She now has only a little acne and I feel confident that we

can get rid of all of it with a little extra cleansing therapy.  I never

thought a 10 yr old would respond to Vitex for a problem like this.

It has helped with mood swings as well.

I'm wondering how a male would respond to Vitex in relation to acne.  There

seemed to be a clear connection to hormones in this case but is there

something else in Vitex that may help acne in adolescents?

Any thoughts on this?

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You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hmmmm, acne

From: Mary Satchell <satch@EOS.NET>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 09:29:39 -0400

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Anita Hales wrote:

>

> A while back my 10 yr old daughter began getting serious acne all over her

> face, fine, almost rash like.  I did the usual stuff with cleansing inside

> and out but it didn't seem to help.  I got a wild hare to treat her for

> hormone imbalance and began to give her 1 capsule of Vitex twice daily.

> The improvement was almost immediate.  I could see the problem fading on a

> daily basis.  She now has only a little acne and I feel confident that we

> can get rid of all of it with a little extra cleansing therapy.  I never

> thought a 10 yr old would respond to Vitex for a problem like this.

> It has helped with mood swings as well.





I had read something years ago that said peuberty was a many year

process starting at 8 or 10 years old and then beginning to reach a

max at the teen age. I guess you never know.

Did you include any zinc in her diet?

--------------------------

Mary Satchell

St. Francis Herb Farm

mailto:satch@eos.net

--------------------------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hmmmm, acne

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:06:55 -0800

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At 09:29 AM 9/30/97 -0400, you wrote:

>Anita Hales wrote:

>>

>> A while back my 10 yr old daughter began getting serious acne all over her

>> face, fine, almost rash like.  I did the usual stuff with cleansing inside

>> and out but it didn't seem to help.  I got a wild hare to treat her for

>> hormone imbalance and began to give her 1 capsule of Vitex twice daily.

>> The improvement was almost immediate.  I could see the problem fading on a

>> daily basis.  She now has only a little acne and I feel confident that we

>> can get rid of all of it with a little extra cleansing therapy.  I never

>> thought a 10 yr old would respond to Vitex for a problem like this.

>> It has helped with mood swings as well.

>

>

>I had read something years ago that said peuberty was a many year

>process starting at 8 or 10 years old and then beginning to reach a

>max at the teen age. I guess you never know.

>Did you include any zinc in her diet?

>--------------------------

>Mary Satchell

>St. Francis Herb Farm

>mailto:satch@eos.net

>--------------------------

>

>

Yes, she get's zinc, with multiple vitamins and minerals and extra calcium.

 It has really surprised me that she has begun to change so soon.  She's my

youngest daughter and her sib's didn't begin to change quite so young.

I'm still wondering what one does with boy's hormonal changes.  I'm sure

their acne is equally affected.  It's an interesting topic.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hmmmm, acne

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 15:29:12 -0400

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My son is going to be 16 on Saturday (ughhhh - driving!).  Anyway he has had

about a year of acne problems.  I have had some success with giving him doses

of zinc and vitamin C, and changing his diet off of sugars.  He himself has

cut out the fried foods.



I have found that tincture of bee balm (bergamot) (monarda didyma) has an

antiseptic thymol which when applied to pimples helps a lot.  He still has

break outs and I am finding that they can be stress related just as in girls.

 Growing up in a house with 3 sisters we never really thought about guys

having this problem too.  I can tell you that he is just as sensitive to

teenage acne as the girls are.



Any other ideas?



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: FAQ Lists

From: Paula Warner <pswarner@SPRYNET.COM>

Date: Mon, 29 Sep 1997 21:45:31 -0700

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Hi all!



Just printed out tons of info from the FAQ's on my soap listserv and was

wondering if there are FAQ's to get from the herblists.  It would be a big help

to me as a beginner to have alot of info to start with.



Just found out that there is a huge herb store here in the city, over 400

different herbs.  The have a cool website and I will go visit them as soon as I

know enough not to appear to lost when I go. :)



Thanks you again, all of you, for sharing your knowledge with me.  I am just

overwhelmed with everything there is to learn.  But happy trying!  :o)



Paula

pswarner@sprynet.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FAQ Lists

From: Henriette Kress <hek@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:42:48 -0700

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Paula Warner wrote:

>

> Just printed out tons of info from the FAQ's on my soap listserv and was

> wondering if there are FAQ's to get from the herblists.  It would be a big help

> to me as a beginner to have alot of info to start with.



You'll find the culinary and medicinal herbfaqs at:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/culiherb.html and

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediherb.html



At http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/archives.html you'll find the archives

for the medicinal herblist, the herbinfo list, and the culinary

herblist.



AND there's lots of other stuff onsite, too.



Henriette

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: off topic: getting the digest form of this list

From: "(David Reeder)" <Nitttowl@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:23:14 -0400

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This  list is  available  in digest  form.  If you  wish  to receive  the

digested version of the postings, just issue a SET HERB DIGEST command.

send it to LISTSERV@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

In a message dated 97-09-30 04:20:15 EDT, KaiforChi@AOL.COM (Kai Wyrill)

writes:



<< You folks are so wonderfully full of info, my post office is bulging! Of

 course, I managed to delete the mail that told me how to get the digest

form.

 Could someone kindly email me this info?



 thanks,

 KaiforChi@aol.com >>

This  list is  available  in digest  form.  If you  wish  to receive  the

digested version of the postings, just issue a SET HERB DIGEST command.





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: What is in Vitex?

From: Ginny Dudek <gdudek.uncson@MHS.UNC.EDU>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:02:57 -0400

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What are the ingredients in Vitex?

Ginny Dudek, RN, MEd

Center for Research on Chronic Illness





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What is in Vitex?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 10:07:49 -0800

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At 10:02 AM 9/30/97 -0400, Ginny Dudek wrote:

>What are the ingredients in Vitex?

>Ginny Dudek, RN, MEd

>Center for Research on Chronic Illness

>

>

Vitex agnus-castus is the latin name of Chaste Tree.  It is a single herb.

The berries are the part generally used.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

You can lead a horse to water, but a pencil must be lead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: What is in Vitex?

From: Stacey <swreath@NETPLUSCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 12:19:36 -0700

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The full Latin name of Vitex is Vitex agnus-castis.  It's also known as

chaste tree.  The dried berries, either whole or powdered, are what is

used.



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Stacey

mailto:swreath@netpluscom.com

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/2723/

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: vitex

From: Margaret Mary Rivera <riveram@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 07:22:43 -0700

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vitex agnus castus is an herb.  Common name

Chaste Tree.  It is very valuable to stabalize

female hormones at all ages.  Hope this helps.

peace   Margie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hep C exposure

From: Ginny Dudek <gdudek.uncson@MHS.UNC.EDU>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:19:16 -0400

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My sister, also a nurse, was stuck with a needle yesterday. The

patient was HIV negative but Hepatitis C +. Suggestions for my sister

would be appreciated. Transmission rate is reported to be 2-10%.

Ginny Dudek, RN, MEd

Center for Research on Chronic Illness





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hep C exposure

From: Henrietta Lala <TRAITEUSSE@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:40:39 -0400

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In a message dated 97-09-30 16:29:57 EDT, you write:



<< My sister, also a nurse, was stuck with a needle yesterday. The

 patient was HIV negative but Hepatitis C +. Suggestions for my sister

 would be appreciated. Transmission rate is reported to be 2-10%.

 Ginny Dudek, RN, MEd

 Center for Research on Chronic Illness >>



I would assume she reported it immediately and will be given an interferon

shot.

There is a vaccine (which I am required to take before I can start classes

this fall), it is very expensive (over $250.00 for a series of three), but I

won't turn it down.

Any adaptogenic herbs, plus some antiviral ones would be in order to put up a

fight against the infection.



Traiteusse@aol.com

Henrietta Lala

9/30/97





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hep C exposure

From: Ginny Dudek <gdudek.uncson@MHS.UNC.EDU>

Date: Tue, 30 Sep 1997 16:48:18 -0400

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There is no vaccine for Hep C. She's had a Hep B vaccine already. I'm

thinking of Cat's Claw and Milk Thistle for her. Other suggestions?

Ginny Dudek, RN, MEd

Center for Research on Chronic Illness



