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Subject: Re: GINGER TABS

From: JAMESLOEFFLER@CENTURYINTER.NET

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:18:54 -0600

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So, if I want to take a hot bath with ginger in the tub how much would I need

to put into the water to show any effect?  Also to make a compress do I just

need to open a few capsules onto a wash cloth or is there more to it than

that? Thanks for your input...jim



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Subject: Re: GINGER TABS

From: ravenvvoif@aol.com (RavenVVoIf)

Date: 2 Mar 1998 00:57:24 GMT

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In article <34f91205.6591806@news>, steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk writes:



>Ginger is also good for balance. I've been using it because of my MS

related balance problems. I like the taste so I don't have to waste money

buying the

>tablets - I just chew the root. I don't know how it works but it has been

>suggested that its action is due to capillary dilation that improves blood

>flow. I think I first heard about it here.



This is very interesting to me. I have back and hip defects (birth). Do you

think Ginger Tablets would be helpful to me? I can't tell sometimes if I am

having pain in my bones or my muscles. It is just so intense. Sometimes I'm

sure when muscles spasm, you can't deny what that is. I also experience some

burning in my feet, and I think that is due to pressure on a nerve somewhere.

Honestly I am not sure what causes it.

You chew the root though..... Ginger like you buy in the produce section at the

grocery store? This is so interesting, thanks.









RavenWolf







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Subject: Re: GINGER TABS

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 18:25:34 GMT

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On 2 Mar 1998 00:57:24 GMT, ravenvvoif@aol.com (RavenVVoIf) wrote:





>This is very interesting to me. I have back and hip defects (birth). Do you

>think Ginger Tablets would be helpful to me? I can't tell sometimes if I am

>having pain in my bones or my muscles. It is just so intense. Sometimes I'm

>sure when muscles spasm, you can't deny what that is. I also experience some

>burning in my feet, and I think that is due to pressure on a nerve somewhere.

>Honestly I am not sure what causes it.

>You chew the root though..... Ginger like you buy in the produce section at the

>grocery store? This is so interesting, thanks.



I don't know if the tablets will help - I've only ever chewed the

root. The root may help with muscle aches. I realised quite recently

that my aches were because of years of bad balance so it's difficult

to say if chewing ginger is making the aches better or if it's just

going away when my balance is better. Either way, it seems to be

helping me. The root is the stuff you get at the grocers - I just wash

it, scrape the really rough bits off and chop it into chew size

pieces. 





Steve

--

--------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme:  Neural Network Software

Neural Planner     NeuroDiet      EasyNN

http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





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Subject: Re: GINGER TABS

From: ravenvvoif@aol.com (RavenVVoIf)

Date: 4 Mar 1998 15:29:31 GMT

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Steve,

Thanks for the info and the help. I have decided to try chewing the root like

you said. I hope it works for me as well. 



Many thanks,

RavenWolf







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Subject: Re: GINGER TABS

From: "Anna Wolf" <annawolf@email.msn.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:55:27 -0800

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I love ginger candy. It is made the same way as wattermellon rind candy.  We

get packages at Trader Joe's here in California. It's good to know it helps

the circulation too.



Anna Wolf



RavenVVoIf wrote in message

<19980302005701.TAA21258@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>In article <34f91205.6591806@news>, steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk writes:

>

>suggested that its action is due to capillary dilation that improves blood

>>flow. I think I first heard about it here.

>











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Subject: Re: GINGER TABS

From: ravenvvoif@aol.com (RavenVVoIf)

Date: 2 Mar 1998 06:20:27 GMT

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In article <6d7eq9$jip@obi-wan.fdt.net>, "Richard J. Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> writes:



>In addition to what Delores wrote about ginger, I would add that it is

>now thought to increase the body's natural rate of metabolism, and could be

>a useful aid in weight loss programs.



This is all good news to me. In addition to having back pain, my Doctor has

told me that if I loose weight, it will take most of the pain my birth defect

causes, and possible keep me from having to have surgery sometime in the

future. 







RavenWolf







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Subject: Re: GINGER TABS

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:10:26 -0900

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One to two Tablespoons in the tub. If you experience burning or itching in vagina or rectum, use less.

For a compress, add enough ground ginger to the bowl of hot water to make it "dirty" looking. Soak a washcloth in it, apply it the sore spots until it cools. Reapply until relieved. 



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



JAMESLOEFFLER@CENTURYINTER.NET wrote in message <6da2fu$be6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>So, if I want to take a hot bath with ginger in the tub how much would I need

>to put into the water to show any effect?  Also to make a compress do I just

>need to open a few capsules onto a wash cloth or is there more to it than

>that? Thanks for your input...jim









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Subject: Cold Sore on lip

From: herblady@zippo.com.x (Rastapoodle)

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:01:30 GMT

--------

My friend's child just started to break out today, and she called me,

cause I love to dish advice - but - I'm embarrassed to admit, I forgot

the quick and easy rememdy I used to recommend. Even did a Dejanews

search, looked in my books, etc.



Was is baking soda, zinc oxide ointment, something else? Please post

asap if you know the "kill it in its tracks" natural remedy. Gracias.

*********************************************************

Anya  {{{*_*}}}    Herblady@zippocom RAW#629

Organic Gardening writer                 Zone 10 Miami

Bob Marley sez --       "Ya gotta lively up yourself"

*********************************************************

"Nature and Nature's law lay hid in night;

  God said "Let Tesla Be" and all was light."

*********************************************************





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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: "Perry D Haaland" <strategix@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:10:15 -0500

--------

I have had really good luck treating cold sores with a combination of

lavender and rosemary essential oils. I soak a small bit of napkin in the

oils and apply directly to the cold sore in its early stages. Works great

for me and also for my 7 year old daughter.









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To: Rastapoodle <herblady@zippo.com.x>

Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:22:26 -0800

--------

Rastapoodle wrote:

> 

> My friend's child just started to break out today, and she called me,

> cause I love to dish advice - but - I'm embarrassed to admit, I forgot

> the quick and easy rememdy I used to recommend. Even did a Dejanews

> search, looked in my books, etc.

> 

> Was is baking soda, zinc oxide ointment, something else? Please post

> asap if you know the "kill it in its tracks" natural remedy. Gracias.

> 

My youngest son also gets the cold sores on his lip.  Usually 72 hours

before coming down sick.  I give him a Homeopathic remedy from Hylands

for cold sores.  If given to him for three days the cold sore are gone

and I am relieved of dealing with a sick child.  



My husband rarely gets them on his lips.  He takes goldenseal tincture

on the cold sore and takes the capsules.  If taken early enough he is

able to stop it in its tracks.



J9





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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: hhealth@global.co.za.X

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:47:24 GMT

--------

Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote:



>Rastapoodle wrote:

>> 

>> My friend's child just started to break out today, and she called me,

>> cause I love to dish advice - but - I'm embarrassed to admit, I forgot

>> the quick and easy rememdy I used to recommend. Even did a Dejanews

>> search, looked in my books, etc.

>> 

>> Was is baking soda, zinc oxide ointment, something else? Please post

>> asap if you know the "kill it in its tracks" natural remedy. Gracias.

>> 

>My youngest son also gets the cold sores on his lip.  Usually 72 hours

>before coming down sick.  I give him a Homeopathic remedy from Hylands

>for cold sores.  If given to him for three days the cold sore are gone

>and I am relieved of dealing with a sick child.  

>

>My husband rarely gets them on his lips.  He takes goldenseal tincture

>on the cold sore and takes the capsules.  If taken early enough he is

>able to stop it in its tracks.

>

>J9



Heard today from someone that she puts cider vinegar on them. Says it

burns a bit but gets down to healing really quickly.









Helen, Cape Town

hhealth@global.co.za

Spam Stopper: To reply, remove the ".X" part of my Reply To address





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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 1 Mar 1998 18:47:42 GMT

--------

An old 'tried & true' remedy works for everyone I know.  I have never

seen it fail, but you probably won't believe it.  'Kiss an ice cube'

for 5 solid minutes 6 times a day for up to 2 days.  This means, put an

ice cube into a plastic bag, to prevent dripping, and hold it directly

on the blisters for 5 minutes by the clock without taking it off.  Just

on the blisters - not the surrounding skin.  By bedtime of the first

day, you will find that the surface is starting to harden, the blisters

have stopped enlarging, and, in fact, are slightly shrunken.  By the

afternoon or evening of the second day they will have shrunken even

more and will have rather solid matter in them with the beginning of a

crust on the surface.  At this time, stop the ice and start applying

Vaseline a few times a day and at bedtime to keep the crust from

cracking and bleeding as what is left of the damaged tissue heals. 

Works every time!  The herpes is still in the bloodstream, though, and

may very well bring on more blisters while it is.  Echinacea or lysine

for several days generally will keep more from forming.

Delores



Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote in article

<34F8F092.F9D56D12@home.com>...

> Rastapoodle wrote:

> > 

> > My friend's child just started to break out today, and she called

me,

> > cause I love to dish advice - but - I'm embarrassed to admit, I

forgot

> > the quick and easy rememdy I used to recommend. Even did a Dejanews

> > search, looked in my books, etc.

> > 

> > Was is baking soda, zinc oxide ointment, something else? Please

post

> > asap if you know the "kill it in its tracks" natural remedy.

Gracias.

> > 

> My youngest son also gets the cold sores on his lip.  Usually 72

hours

> before coming down sick.  I give him a Homeopathic remedy from

Hylands

> for cold sores.  If given to him for three days the cold sore are

gone

> and I am relieved of dealing with a sick child.  

> 

> My husband rarely gets them on his lips.  He takes goldenseal

tincture

> on the cold sore and takes the capsules.  If taken early enough he is

> able to stop it in its tracks.

> 

> J9

> 





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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: mcbedo@dpnet.net

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:23:14 -0600

--------

Have you tried Melaleuca Oil?  A drop to the cold sore for a few days

should heal it.

Rebecca

www.dixonnet.com/cdm/mcbedo.htm

>

> Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote in article

> <34F8F092.F9D56D12@home.com>...

> > Rastapoodle wrote:

> > >

> > > My friend's child just started to break out today, and she called

> me,

> > > cause I love to dish advice - but - I'm embarrassed to admit, I

> forgot

> > > the quick and easy rememdy I used to recommend. Even did a Dejanews

> > > search, looked in my books, etc.

> > >

> > > Was is baking soda, zinc oxide ointment, something else? Please

> post

> > > asap if you know the "kill it in its tracks" natural remedy.

> Gracias.







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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 16:41:53 -0800

--------

Pete & Janine wrote:

> 

> Rastapoodle wrote:

> >

> > My friend's child just started to break out today, and she called me,

> > cause I love to dish advice - but - I'm embarrassed to admit, I forgot

> > the quick and easy rememdy I used to recommend. Even did a Dejanews

> > search, looked in my books, etc.

> >

> > Was is baking soda, zinc oxide ointment, something else? Please post

> > asap if you know the "kill it in its tracks" natural remedy. Gracias.

> >

> My youngest son also gets the cold sores on his lip.  Usually 72 hours

> before coming down sick.  I give him a Homeopathic remedy from Hylands

> for cold sores.  If given to him for three days the cold sore are gone

> and I am relieved of dealing with a sick child.

> 

> My husband rarely gets them on his lips.  He takes goldenseal tincture

> on the cold sore and takes the capsules.  If taken early enough he is

> able to stop it in its tracks.

> 

> J9

This never fails my daughter or me.  At the first symptoms, take

Acidophillus. My daughter has had her share of cold sores, and has been

able to completely avoid getting them.  We have  chewable tablets and

pills.  Even if we don't take the supplements right off the bat, the

lesions are smaller and heal more quickly.  



The mind is like a parachute...

it only functions when it's open.

June





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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:05:56 -0600

--------





>   > Rastapoodle wrote:

> 

>  > My friend's child just started to break out today, ... forgot

>  > the quick and easy rememdy I used to recommend. ...

>  > Please post asap if you know the "kill it in its tracks"

>  > natural remedy.

> 



Our kids used a frozen silver spoon - I doubt it makes any difference if 

the spoon is silver or not - just so long as it is cold. They always kept 

a couple in the freezer for emergencies - just press the frozen back of 

the bowl to the sore - it will take awhile - probably all day, but it is 

a fun and somewhat effective remedy - it couldn't hoit. 



Cissy





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To: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 07:47:58 -0500

--------

At the first sign of a cold sore (not as easy for a child to detect) a 

dab of st. johnswort tincture-it might burn (easier for an adult to 

take). If it's not caught early the st. johnswort will help it run its 

course faster.

Good luck!





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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: Ed Myers <edmyers@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:48:34 -0600

--------

What helps me most is to take 2 pack of Lactinex granduals or tabs each

day for 3 days. This usually stops them in their track and if not will

keep them from bursting and keep you free for a few months.

Ed



Rosemarie Dilernia wrote:



> At the first sign of a cold sore (not as easy for a child to detect) a

> dab of st. johnswort tincture-it might burn (easier for an adult to

> take). If it's not caught early the st. johnswort will help it run its

> course faster.

> Good luck!











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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:17:04 -0800

--------

Heres a few herb suggestions:

Pau d' arco: Actions Antibacterial, Antifungal, and Antiviral.



Gotu Kola: Good for skin problems



Echinacea: Good for infections, colds, flu





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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 04:16:14 GMT

--------



SavanahSmiles@webtv.net wrote in message

<6ec7oh$8io$1@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...

Heres a few herb suggestions:

Pau d' arco: Actions Antibacterial, Antifungal, and Antiviral.



Gotu Kola: Good for skin problems



Echinacea: Good for infections, colds, flu





As a matter of fact, I recently read about a product which is effective

against viral problems, it is the elderberry.   There is a product called

"Sambucol" which is an elderberry juice product (tastes great too) and it is

used against other kinds of viruses.   Maybe it could be effective against

the cold sore virus as well(?)

(Herpes Simplex, the virus which causes these sores is one of the most

common viruses, infecting great numbers of people)   It certainly could not

hurt to try.



Regards,

Evelyn









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To: The Puddies <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:20:19 -0500

--------

I experience cold sore on lip from time to time also. For  me, it is 

brought on by stress. If I can "detect" it early enough, I can prevent 

it by applying St.Johnswort tincture frequently throughout the day. If 

I don't catch it early, I still apply the St Johnswort tincture as 

often as is convenient and I find that the duration of the cold sore 

is greatly reduced as opposed to the days when I solved this problem 

without using St. Johnswort tincture.



Hope this helps.





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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: lauriem519@aol.com (Lauriem519)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 13:57:46 GMT

--------

I haven't gotten them often, but when I have I use clove oil.  It seems to work

for me.





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Subject: Re: Cold Sore on lip

From: Karen Kay <karen@wordwrite.com>

Date: 2 Mar 1998 03:27:41 GMT

--------

turf <turf@mindspring.com> wrote:

>>My friend's child just started to break out today, and she called me,

>>Was is baking soda, zinc oxide ointment, something else? 



> One of the better topicals is Enzymatic Therapy Herpilyn,

> which is (I think) lemon balm (melissa) and chamomile.

> Either of the herbs would likely work by itself, as might

> cayenne. Plain zinc oxide ointment might work

> well enough, too.



I use L-Lysine; works like a charm. 



-- 

Karen

  "Systems expel dissidents."--Susan Osborn





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Subject: Breast pain

From: sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date: 28 Feb 1998 23:26:34 GMT

--------

A friend of mine came to me and mentioned that she needed a solution to having

serious breast aches during her menstrual cycle.  At the reccomendation of her

M.D. she has upped her iron intake <during her menses she becomes anemic as

well>, but this has in no way alleviated the pain she is experiencing.  Does

anyone have experience with this particular issue?



Thank you,replies by post here or email to 

SilDra93 atsymbol aol dot com

will be greatly appreciated





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Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: moodsrus@aol.com (Moods R Us)

Date: 1 Mar 1998 01:57:47 GMT

--------





My aunt was directed to take vitamin E which countered the affects of caffiene

and ended the pain completely.







mru





In article <19980228232601.SAA02823@ladder03.news.aol.com>, sildra93@aol.com

(Sildra93) writes:



>Subject:	Breast pain

From:	sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date:	28 Feb 1998

>23:26:34 GMT



A friend of mine came to me and mentioned that she needed a

>solution to having

serious breast aches during her menstrual cycle.  At the

>reccomendation of her

M.D. she has upped her iron intake <during her menses

>she becomes anemic as

well>, but this has in no way alleviated the pain she

>is experiencing.  Does

anyone have experience with this particular

>issue?



Thank you,replies by post here or email to 

SilDra93 atsymbol aol dot

>com

will be greatly appreciated







"Perception is _everything_."

          

~LLDeMerle





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To: Sildra93 <sildra93@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:25:28 -0800

--------

Sildra93 wrote:

> 

> A friend of mine came to me and mentioned that she needed a solution to having

> serious breast aches during her menstrual cycle.  At the reccomendation of her

> M.D. she has upped her iron intake <during her menses she becomes anemic as

> well>, but this has in no way alleviated the pain she is experiencing.  Does

> anyone have experience with this particular issue?

> 



Twenty years ago I did experience a problem with the breast pain so bad

that I did not want to move until my menstrual cycle was over.  I read

in a magazine that it was due to to much caffine in the diet.  I stopped

drinking sodas and eating the chocolate.  I have not had the problem

since.



J9





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To: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: Caris <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:55:06 -0500

--------

I have a similar problem and have found that EPO, borage, Vitamin E all

help.



Cairis







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Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker)

Date: 1 Mar 1998 13:42:32 GMT

--------

>A friend of mine came to me and mentioned that she needed a >solution to

having serious breast aches during her menstrual cycle.  

>At the reccomendation of her M.D. she has upped her iron intake 

>during her menses she becomes anemic as well, but this has in no 

>way alleviated the pain she is experiencing.  Does anyone have 

>experience with this particular issue?



This is suggestion is almost too simple, but it's worth a try.  If this is the

problem, the fix is easy.



As many of us women know, the breasts get sensitive and tender during certain

times of the cycle.  And some of us put on "water weight", which can make the

breasts slightly larger.  So... is her bra too tight?  Between a slight

increase in size and increased sensitivity this can add up to pain.



If she leaves a bra off for a day or two when this happens and the pain goes

away (or at least is less) there's an answer, and if it doesn't help you've at

least eliminated one more possible cause.



>---Broomstick---





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Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: "Terry Petrey" <jdpetrey@kih.net>

Date: 3 Mar 1998 23:13:11 GMT

--------

I have herd to try placing a cabbage leaf in your bra over the area that

hurts.



Wildflower



Beesticker <beesticker@aol.com> wrote in article

<19980301134200.IAA01190@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

> >A friend of mine came to me and mentioned that she needed a >solution to

> having serious breast aches during her menstrual cycle.  

> >At the reccomendation of her M.D. she has upped her iron intake 

> >during her menses she becomes anemic as well, but this has in no 

> >way alleviated the pain she is experiencing.  Does anyone have 

> >experience with this particular issue?







==========

Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: geraldine@clara.stockingnet

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:27:12 GMT

--------

On 3 Mar 1998 23:13:11 GMT, "Terry Petrey" <jdpetrey@kih.net> wrote:



>I have herd to try placing a cabbage leaf in your bra over the area that

>hurts.



I believe that this is just for sore breasts caused by a baby's

overenthusiastic suckling.



Regards,



Geraldine



-- 

sometimes i sits & thinks and sometimes i just sits



Remove Clara's stocking to e-mail me





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Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 10:42:41 -0600

--------

geraldine@clara.stockingnet wrote:

 

> On 3 Mar 1998 23:13:11 GMT, "Terry Petrey" <jdpetrey@kih.net> wrote:

 

> > I have herd to try placing a cabbage leaf in your bra over the 

> > area that hurts.

 

> I believe that this is just for sore breasts caused by a baby's

> overenthusiastic suckling.



Hmmm, hadn't heard that one, either way.  



Mastitis [breast inflammation], in particular the excruciating pain 

of a blocked milk duct, can be relieved by a compress of grated raw 

potato.  A friend was ready to nominate me for canonization after I

suggested that strategy to her....   ;) <shrug>



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC)

Date: 6 Mar 1998 12:48:33 GMT

--------

for sore breasts, also try evening primrose oil in an infusion, and yes

definitely cut down on the caffine.



CRD





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Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 1 Mar 1998 13:50:13 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes

>A friend of mine came to me and mentioned that she needed a solution to

>having

>serious breast aches during her menstrual cycle.  At the reccomendation of

>her

>M.D. she has upped her iron intake <during her menses she becomes anemic as

>well>, but this has in no way alleviated the pain she is experiencing.  Does

>anyone have experience with this particular issue?



Easy ... St. John's Wort ... completely eliminated any/all tenderness,

swelling, not to mention all other PMSish stuff.  I get caught by surprise

every month now.



http://www.hypericum.com/toc.htm





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Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 1 Mar 1998 19:13:02 GMT

--------

Evening primrose oil, if started 2 to 3 days before the symptoms

usually appear until the onset of menstruation, is another very good

remedy.

Delores



BlessedBy2 <blessedby2@aol.com> wrote in article

<19980301135001.IAA01932@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

> X-No-Archive: yes

> >A friend of mine came to me and mentioned that she needed a solution

to

> >having

> >serious breast aches during her menstrual cycle.  At the

reccomendation of

> >her

> >M.D. she has upped her iron intake <during her menses she becomes

anemic as

> >well>, but this has in no way alleviated the pain she is

experiencing.  Does

> >anyone have experience with this particular issue?

> 

> Easy ... St. John's Wort ... completely eliminated any/all

tenderness,

> swelling, not to mention all other PMSish stuff.  I get caught by

surprise

> every month now.

> 

> http://www.hypericum.com/toc.htm

> 





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Subject: Breast pain

From: strato310@aol.com (Strato310)

Date: 1 Mar 1998 15:09:25 GMT

--------

Both my coworker and I have been experiencing acute breast pain, but we think

it is due to stress.  I have felt this pain in the past, and each time it has

been due to stress.  Last time I went for my mamo, I told the technician about

the pain, and she said that sounded more like heart than breast problem (I'm

46). However, I just had a pre-op eccho a year ago and everything was fine.  I

know mine is due to stress, maybe your friend would like to explore that route.





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Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: The Jones' <lochmor@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 13:02:41 -0500

--------

Sildra93 wrote:

> 

> A friend of mine came to me and mentioned that she needed a solution to having

> serious breast aches during her menstrual cycle.  At the reccomendation of her

> M.D. she has upped her iron intake <during her menses she becomes anemic as

> well>, but this has in no way alleviated the pain she is experiencing.  Does

> anyone have experience with this particular issue?

> 

> Thank you,replies by post here or email to

> SilDra93 atsymbol aol dot com

> will be greatly appreciated





I have had this problem for about 12 years now.  When I asked my doctor,

she said it was normal and not to worry.  I don't worry but it is

uncomfortable for about a week before my period.  Cutting down on

caffiene (sp) helps a little, so does vitamin E, and I have found that

juniper berry oil (crushed then strained juniper berries in oil) rubbed

on my breasts gives some immediate relief.  I can post the simple

directions to make the oil if anyone is interested.



Diane Jones





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Subject: Re: Breast pain

From: bj <kbk@gte.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 20:14:54 -0600

--------

The Jones' wrote:



The breast discomfort/pain is not normal, as I have read on the topic in

the past.

I noticed that in my case, discomfort is eased when I execise on regular

basis.

Cassie





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Subject: Re: Folklore of Herbs

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:21:08 -0500

--------

L. Nee wrote in message <34F71E31.4D4D@cybertours.com>...

>Herbs have a rich history of myth and folklore

>far beyond the "high" we associate with some herbs today. I prefer the

>folkore and the thousands of stories which have come to us from the old

>Leech Books and Herbals.  There are thousands of interesting stories to

>tell............



True!  We look forward to any you may wish to share.  Most of us I think get

a little bogged down in factual stuff; it's nice to see the fun side of

herbs, the way people used to look at disease, etc.  Hard to remember

sometimes how far we've come with knowledge of diagnosis and causes of

illness, and the way people used to explain things they couldn't understand

or even see.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Folklore of Herbs

From: Rowean <rowean@cablelan.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 01:15:42 GMT

--------

Mandrack roots were thought to scream when pulled up and apparently the scream

was thought to be of suffcent pitch to kill a person.



lcruz@neumedia.net wrote:



> In article <34F71E31.4D4D@cybertours.com>,

>   turnleaf@cybertours.com wrote:

> >

> > The history of folklore with herbs is much more involved than

> > associating them with the effects of drugs.  Anglo-Saxon history

> > describes disease as being "elf-shot", and victims being attacked by

> > "flying venom."  I find the idea of little elves hiding in the forests

> > with bows and arrows trying to hit us with "a cold", or "liver problems"

> > quite intriguing. The Doctrine of Signatures ( the concept that the

> > function of herbs in the body are the same as the way the herb looks or

> > smells) i.e. ginseng root(the shape of a man) or blood root (red as

> > blood) is equally interesting in that man looked to the sky above him

> > and the earth beneath his feet for remedies from being "elf-shot" or

> > caught by flying venom. Herbs have a rich history of myth and folklore

> > far beyond the "high" we associate with some herbs today. I prefer the

> > folkore and the thousands of stories which have come to us from the old

> > Leech Books and Herbals.  There are thousands of interesting stories to

> > tell............

> >

>

> I couldn't agree with you more! There are plenty of good herbals nowadays

> that give information on the medicinal benefits and uses of herbs, far fewer

> good books on the lore of herbs. It's too bad, because it's a fascinating

> subject. Why, for instance, did people believe it was certain death to pull

> up a mandrake root? And where did Gerard's description of the "Vegetable

> Lamb" come from?

>

> I tried to do some internet research on Anglo-Saxon herblore but gave up in

> frustration--there's just not much out there. The A-S's had nine sacred

> herbs- I remember reading (I think it may have been in "A Modern Herbal")

> that they hadn't all been identified with certainty. Does anyone know what

> these herbs were?

>

> Lois

>

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Subject: Re: Folklore of Herbs

From: "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net>

Date: 8 Mar 1998 16:07:38 GMT

--------

Roots where meant to be harvested after a spiritual exchange (ask the

spirit of the root for permission to use as medicine) and you don't take

more than you need. I believe the laws of biophysics backs me on this.



Baba Escofhari Babatunde II

Institute of Afrikan Holistic Medicine and Science

POB 36176 Greensboro NC 27416-6176

worldco@earthlink.net









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Subject: Re: Folklore of Herbs

From: davidh@crl.com

Date: 11 Mar 1998 18:11:11 GMT

--------

Yes.  I understand 'exchange'.  What I don't understand is

how something named 'biophysics' would get involved?  But then

I don't know what you mean by biophysics....



	David



Esco Babatunde II <worldco@earthlink.net> wrote:

: Roots where meant to be harvested after a spiritual exchange (ask the

: spirit of the root for permission to use as medicine) and you don't take

: more than you need. I believe the laws of biophysics backs me on this.



: Baba Escofhari Babatunde II

: Institute of Afrikan Holistic Medicine and Science

: POB 36176 Greensboro NC 27416-6176

: worldco@earthlink.net







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Subject: Re: Folklore of Herbs

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 3 Mar 1998 19:42:01 GMT

--------

In article <6d9b6f$kb0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, lcruz@neumedia.net writes:



>There are plenty of good herbals nowadays

that give information on the

>medicinal benefits and uses of herbs, far fewer

good books on the lore of

>herbs. It's too bad, because it's a fascinating

subject. 



There's a slim little book, came out a few years ago, called POISONS IN OUR

PATH, which gives some of the folklore associated with plants. Try also books

like Barbara Griggs' Green Witch Herbal or her history of herbal medicine,

Green Pharmacy. Doesn't GOLDEN BOUGH have the Ango-Saxon lore that you want?

Culpeper, whose herbal is available on the web, gives the medieval/Renaissance

view of the astrological influences of herbs...



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/





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Subject: Re: Folklore of Herbs

From: "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:24:08 GMT

--------

[snip]

>Culpeper, whose herbal is available on the web, gives the

medieval/Renaissance

>view of the astrological influences of herbs...

>

>Regards,

>Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA



Culpeper's is online???  Do you have the URL?  I've been using

botanical.com's online version of the Mrs. Grieve book for ages, and come to

love Culpeper's wit and observations through her quotes.

Beth











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Subject: Re: Folklore of Herbs

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 5 Mar 1998 00:24:10 GMT

--------

In article <smeL.1649$aW1.1788190@news2.atl.bellsouth.net>, "Beth Harper"

<aharper1@bellsouth.net> writes:



>come to

>love Culpeper's wit and observations through her quotes.

>Beth



I don't have the URL any more (I have the book, and frankly that's easier to

read in bed!). But it was posted in this group not too long ago. There's lots

of printed editions of Culpeper floating out there... 



I like Culpeper's attitude too.  When pointing out the misuse of clary, he says

"[it] is as proper for me, when my toe is sore, to lay a plaster on my nose."



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm







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Subject: Re: ginseng question

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 1 Mar 1998 01:43:51 GMT

--------

Bailey639 (bailey639@aol.com) wrote:

:I went to purchase some ginseng and found there many differnt kinds and

:combinations, so I ended up buying nothing because I had no idea which kind was

:for what. Where can I find descriptions of the different kinds of ginseng on

:the net? 

:thanks



Do a search in alta-vista.  On one of the first two pages, there's a site that

lays it all down for you.



Basically that there are two main branches of True Ginseng: Asian and

Quinquefolium (American Ginseng).   The Asian being Yang, the other being Yin.



There's lots more info, including the fact that some non-true ginsengs are

just as valuable as the true ones (eg. siberian ginseng). Nex





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Subject: Re: ginseng question

From: BRUMLEYS@webtv.net (GARY BRUMLEY)

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 07:33:13 -0600

--------

type in herbal information in your search progam and surf till ya see

something good              





good luck dont give up





                                             





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Subject: Re: ginseng question

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:34:58 -0500

--------

Bailey639 wrote in message

<19980228195600.OAA23154@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>I went to purchase some ginseng and found there many differnt kinds and

>combinations, so I ended up buying nothing because I had no idea which kind

was

>for what. Where can I find descriptions of the different kinds of ginseng

on

>the net?

>thanks



There is understandably a great deal of confusion concerning the numbers of

different ginsengs found on the market today.  There are several "true"

ginsengs as well as a number of herbs that are either called ginseng or have

been used as substitutes.  A proper treatment of the subject would require a

book, but here's a brief (I hope) synopsis.



Panax ginseng is the "original" ginseng.  It is a member of the Aralia

family (Araliaceae) and a native to the far East.  It grows naturally on

forested slopes in a cool temperate climate, in well-drained, rich, humusy,

somewhat acidic soil.  The most valuable specimens are those from northern

areas discovered growing wild, but these are reportedly not exported.  The

roots generally found in the West are cultivated under hardwood trees or

shade cloth.  There is a fairly large trade in both China and Korea in the

roots.  The Korean government strictly controls the quality of the ginseng

crop grown in that country, and as a result Korean ginseng has a somewhat

better reputation in the West, even though many of the "instant" Korean

ginseng products have very little ginseng in them.  Asiatic ginseng is

regarded as having "heating" qualities, and for this reason is not given

when there is inflammation or other "heat" symptoms present (such as colds,

flus, etc.)  The Korean ginseng is generally regarded as being more

"heating" than that from China, though that is also partly a function of

climate (cooler is better) and cultivation.  Another distinguishing feature

of the Asiatic ginsengs is their color.  The white roots are simply scrubbed

clean and dried, and are regarded as "weaker" in their effect.  The red

roots are steamed while still fresh; this supposedly "locks in" and enhances

the tonic qualities better than simple drying, and the red roots are

therefore somewhat more highly regarded by most connoisseurs.



Panax quinquifolium is a native of North America, though it is also grown to

some extent in China.  It is (incorrectly) regarded by many as being a "Yin"

tonic, but this is not strictly correct.  It is less heating and less Yang

than the Asiatic ginseng species, and is therefore relatively more Yin, but

on a scale of most yin to most yang it is definitely way on the yang side.

(Yin tonics are pretty uniformly cheap; no one would pay the high prices

charged for American ginseng to get a simple Yin tonic).  Chemically there

are strong similarities to the Asiatic ginseng.  American ginseng is thought

to be safer to take when there is heat present, whether the heat is internal

to the patient, or external (some sources indicate Asian ginseng should not

be used in hot weather or climates!).  There is an established industry

supplying American ginseng to the market; especially in the American

midwest.  The high price of the Panax ginsengs is related both to the length

of time it must stay in the ground before harvest, and to the large amount

of land preparation and hand labor required to care for, harvest, and

prepare the crop for market.  (According to some sources, the market for

American ginseng is very nearly saturated, and considering the investment in

money and time required to bring a commercial crop to market, and the

fluctuating wholesale prices paid for the root, it would greatly behoove

anyone considering ginseng growing as a profession to establish a buyer for

the crop well in advance.)



"Siberian Ginseng" is not a ginseng at all.  It is in a different genus

altogether, though it is in the same family, Araliaceae, as the Panax

ginsengs.  There is a misconception that Siberian ginseng is used similarly

to the other ginsengs in the far East; this is incorrect.  Most of the hype

regarding Siberian ginseng is an outgrowth of Soviet research into the herb,

which reportedly showed that it increased athletic performance, among other

things.  Eleutherococcus species have also been used in China for many years

as tonics, but they are not considered substitutes for the true ginsengs.



There are a number of other herbs used as less-powerful or less-heating

Chinese substitutes for ginseng.  One of the best known is Codonopsis, which

is even recommended over true ginseng when the stronger side-effects of

ginseng are not desired.  It is an energy and Yang tonic like ginseng, but

*much* less expensive.



Hope this helps.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: ginseng question

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 3 Mar 1998 07:53:36 GMT

--------



Richard J. Ogden wrote:



> There is understandably a great deal of confusion concerning the numbers of

> different ginsengs found on the market today.  There are several "true"

> ginsengs as well as a number of herbs that are either called ginseng or have

> been used as substitutes.  A proper treatment of the subject would require a

> book, but here's a brief (I hope) synopsis. Etc.



Thanks for the interesting and informative synopsis. 



I've got a couple of questions I've been trying to verify (by finding two

separate agreeing assertions) to no avail: 



I've read that Asian Panax should not be used continuously, that every couple

of months one should stop for a month or two. (?) 



Can Quinquefolium be taken continuously, as I've seen mentioned just once? 



Can Siberian 'Ginseng' be taken continuously? 



In some ways, the library's still the best place to find facts.  Especially

when the subject is surrounded by commercial come-ons and hype.  My next trip

to the library's in a week, so I'm hoping you might give me your opinion on

the above before then. Nex





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Subject: Re: ginseng question

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:10:57 -0500

--------

Alan Pollock wrote in message <888911615.646008@wagasa.cts.com>...

>

>I've got a couple of questions I've been trying to verify (by finding two

>separate agreeing assertions) to no avail:

>

>I've read that Asian Panax should not be used continuously, that every

couple

>of months one should stop for a month or two. (?)





I have not seen anything in the Chinese literature that specifically says

not to take ginseng continuously, but my references are by no means

complete.  Bear in mind, however, that ginseng is the preeminent energy

tonic in Chinese herbal medicine and that any such powerful herb should be

treated with respect.  I myself do not take ginseng continuously, but then I

follow the advice that it not be taken when there is heat or inflammation

present.  For me, pollen allergies are my most common source of inflammation

(since I live in Florida, where there is almost always *something* in bloom)

and I use those times to take breaks from my usual ginseng consumption.  I

honestly don't pay a lot of attention to how long I use or take breaks from

ginseng; I just let my body tell me when to stop.  My feeling is that any

herb taken continuously over a long period looses its effectiveness to some

extent.  I think the body stops responding because whatever the herb is

interacting with in the body to create it's effect becomes exhausted.  From

the Chinese traditional point of view, everything in the body is in balance,

just as everything in nature is in balance; heat and cold, light and dark,

wet and dry, inside and outside, Yin and Yang, ad infinitum.  All herbs

affect the balance one way or another, so that a strong Yang herb must

(sooner or later) be balanced with Yin, or it will push the body out of

balance.  (Of course it's more complicated than that.  In TCM, herbs not

only have a specific "overall" effect but work on specific systems in the

body, and it is perfectly natural for one "part" or system of the body to be

too Yin, for instance, while another is too Yang, so that a Yang tonic must

be balanced with an herb or herbs which acts specifically to counteract its

effect on the system which is already too Yang.  To use a Western analogy,

stimulants such as caffeine are really a wonderful tool and can increase

alertness and physical activity in the body, and can enable a person to go

without food for quite a while, but they are not a substitute for

nourishment or rest, and anyone who tries to live on caffeine will sooner or

later find this out.  Now, ginseng is not a stimulant like caffeine, of

course, but the same principal applies.  That is one reason oriental

formulas for ginseng-based tonics quite often include yin or blood tonics,

to help balance the effects of the ginseng.



>Can Quinquefolium be taken continuously, as I've seen mentioned just once?





As far as I know, the same rules apply.  However, American ginseng is

generally regarded as being far more yin and less heating than the oriental

ginseng, and therefore can probably be used longer without requiring a break

or rebalancing.  Some of the references I have seen go so far as to say that

American ginseng is the only one of the two that should be used during hot

weather, or in hot climates, and that the oriental ginseng (and particularly

that produced in Korea) should not be used in hot weather at all.



>Can Siberian 'Ginseng' be taken continuously?





I'm afraid I am not very familiar personally with the Siberian ginseng

beyond what I have read.  It is a relative newcomer to the scene as far as

the 'adaptogens' go.  The Chinese use it and related species as tonics, but

I have no information as to whether it is ever recommended to be used

continuously.



>In some ways, the library's still the best place to find facts.  Especially

>when the subject is surrounded by commercial come-ons and hype.  My next

trip

>to the library's in a week, so I'm hoping you might give me your opinion on

>the above before then. Nex





True, I've spend many happy hours in libraries (especially university

libraries, and especially in my younger days) searching for information

about herbs.  It seems unfortunate but inevitable that as soon as an herb

recieves a little positive notoriety it immediately gets picked up by

commercial interests which are more interested in sales than in the accuracy

of their information.  That is why I tend to rely on translations and

synopsises (synopsi?) of the Chinese works rather than original works by

Western authors for the properties of the traditional Chinese medicines.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: ginseng question

From: "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:26:57 -0600

--------

There are three kinds of ginseng:Chinese,Siberian, and American. This is

also the order of potence Chinese being the better grade and qualilty and

on down the line.  I prefer to use Chinese and never American.  Soil types

that the plant is grown in makes a difference on its strength. 



On 28 Feb 1998, Bailey639 wrote:



> I went to purchase some ginseng and found there many differnt kinds and

> combinations, so I ended up buying nothing because I had no idea which kind was

> for what. Where can I find descriptions of the different kinds of ginseng on

> the net? 

> thanks

> 

> 







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Subject: Re: ginseng question

From: bgies@ginseng.ca

Date: 4 Mar 1998 17:16:07 GMT

--------

On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:26:57 -0600, "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:

> There are three kinds of ginseng:Chinese,Siberian, and American. This is

> also the order of potence Chinese being the better grade and qualilty and

> on down the line.  I prefer to use Chinese and never American.  Soil types

> that the plant is grown in makes a difference on its strength. 

> 



I'd like to correct some of that information. First, "Siberian 

Ginseng" is not ginseng. The proper (latin) name for it is 

Eleutherocccus Senticosus, which means that it is not even in 

the ginseng family. A true ginseng always has the word "Panax" 

in it's latin name. 



American Ginseng (Panax Quinquefolius) is actually more highly 

regarded in China than Asian Ginseng (Panax Ginseng), as 

evidenced by the fact that we get roughly double the price for 

American ginseng than Asian ginseng in China. However, they are 

used for different things. 



If you are looking for a stimulant, then Asian ginseng is the 

one to take. If you are looking for something to help you deal 

with stress then take American ginseng. Both promote overall 

health, with many other additional benefits.





Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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Subject: Re: ginseng question

From: "Marc Tasse" <talysin@nuri.net>

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 00:48:57 +0900

--------



bgies@ginseng.ca wrote in message <6dk28n$8qv$1@orthanc.reference.com>...

>On Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:26:57 -0600, "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg"

<hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:

>> There are three kinds of ginseng:Chinese,Siberian, and American. This is

>> also the order of potence Chinese being the better grade and qualilty and

>> on down the line.  I prefer to use Chinese and never American.  Soil

types

>> that the plant is grown in makes a difference on its strength.





If It's worth anything, I've come across two approaches to using

Chinese/Korean Ginseng.



In our herbal prescriptions class at the Chinese medicine college they

stressed that Ginseng should not be used when suffering from Yang type

disorders as they will only strengthen the pathogen and not the body.

 basically any heat based illness, fever, sweating, hot body, etc.. )



Presently I'm living in Korea and here they use ginseng ( insam they call

it ) for everything.  Especially men who work long hours and drink a lot,

i.e.. type a personalities in high stress jobs, take a table spoon each day

of ginseng mixed with honey.  The fold tales here also abound with stories

of ginseng being used as a miracle cure for just about anything.

Practically all herbal prescriptions here have at least a little bit of

ginseng in them.



Marc  Tasse









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Subject: alt.magick REF: Abramelin Oil

From: tyagi@houseofkaos.abyss.com (tyaginator)

Date: 28 Feb 1998 19:29:09 -0800

--------

Orig-From: Grendel <dougs170@cris.com> (Frater Kali)



[edited for your reading pleasure]



Abramelin Oil REF v 1.1



Do what thou wilt shall be the wole of the Law.



In response to my questions on Thelema93 (thelema93-l@hollyfeld.org) 

e-list, I recieved the following recipes and hints for the making of 

the Oil of Abramelin.  Please note that all information is copyright 

the individual authors. 



When using Essential Oils, it must be remembered that they are 

concentrated extracts of the respective plants.  In some instances, 

these extracts are caustic and harmful if taken internally.  This 

faq is posted for informational purposes only. The authors will not 

assume any responsibility for the misuse of this information.



To those who responded to me directly, I eliminated the email 

addresses and used the given names.  To those who responded to the 

list, I left the e-mail addresses intact.



******************************************************************



Contents:



Recipe/Hint#	Who			What



Recipe 1	Khem Caigan		Biblical reference recipe

Recipe 2	Chariot156		Store bought generic recipe

Recipe 3	Donald Correll		Alchemical recipe

Recipe 4	John Crow		Recipe from Book 4 Liber ABA

Recipe 5	Grendel			Combined recipe from list submissions

Recipe 6	Fra.'. Anastasios	Experiential recipe

Recipe 7	Khem Caigan		Exact recipe from Exodus 30

Hint 1		Ruthanne7		Checking Galangal Oil for rancidness

Hint 2		MDNewcomb		Aquiring and Using Fresh Galangal Oil

Hint 3		Grendel			Is Galangal Ginger? Olive Oil to use

Hint 4		Fra.'. Anastasios	Testing Oils for use

Hint 5		Fra.'. Anastasios	Blending Oils

Hint 6		Behutet			Keeping Oils from spoiling

Hint 7		Grendel			Alchemical Blending

Hint 8		Grendel			Keeping Oils from spoiling

Hint 9		Ixel & Hunahpu		Olive Oil Type

Hint 10		Ixel & Hunahpu		Distilling Galangal Root

Hint 11		Ruthanne7		Keeping Oils fresh

Hint 12		Ross A. Ramos		Where to buy Galangal Root



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Recipe 1



From:	Khem Caigan

Sent:	Saturday, December 20, 1997 11:58 PM

Subject:	Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe



93s!

    Myrrh in tears, one part

    Fine Cinnamon, two parts

    Galangal, 1/2 part

    Half the total weight in olive oil.

See Exodus 30:22 for more information on the Sacred Annointing Oil, and 

indeed

on the Work of the Knowledge & Conversation .

    -Khem



Recipe 2



From:	Chariot156 [SMTP:Chariot156@aol.com]

Sent:	Sunday, December 21, 1997 1:25 PM

Subject:	Re:  Abramelin Oil Recipe



I lifted this recipie off of a a bottle of Abramelin oil that I did not 

buy.

(shhhh. It was written right there! How could I not swipe the recipie?)



4 parts cinnamon oil

4 parts galangal

7 parts olive oil

4 parts myrhh



I have a friend who makes this stuff and he does his own recipie (which 

I'll try to get for you) and then he goes back, tests it, and invariably 

dedides it needs more "burn" (we have a masochistic lodge).  He then 

adds more cinnamon oil to the mix, which, if you are not careful, could 

fry your toenails off, so be very conservative with it (drop by drop).

I'll try to get ahold of my friend to see if his recipie is any different.

93/93

lia



Recipe 3



From:	Donald Correll [SMTP:dcorrell@mindspring.com]

Sent:	Monday, December 22, 1997 12:35 AM

Subject:	Re:  Abramelin Oil Recipe



Care Frater,

  Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

I recieved this Abremelin recipe from our greatly esteemed coleugue 

Fr. EMT.  about a year or so ago. I have tested it and it works 

however I found that practically speaking a lot more olive oil was 

necessary. I ground all ingredients in a blender and wrapped in 

cheese cloth, and placed in a ball mason jar, which I heated to 

boiling repeatedly in a baie marie for several hours daily for about 

a week, perhaps even longer steeping would have provided more "burn". 

When extracted separetly the constituent oil tends to separate in to 

layers, so I reccomend doing it all at the same extraction.



"You shall prepare the Sacred Oil in this manner:  Take of myrrh

 (Mirrhe en larmes) in tears, one part; of fine cinnamon, two parts;

 of galangal half a part; and the half of the toatal weight of these

 drugs of the best oil olive.  The which aromatics you shall mix

 together according unto the Art of the Apothecary, and shall make

 thereof a Balsam, the which you shall keep in a glass vial which

you shall put within the cupboard..."



Sincerely Yours in Thelema

Donald Correll who loves the Gods of Egypt.

Love is the law. Love under will.



Recipe 4



From:	John Crow [SMTP:jcrow@mindspring.com]

Sent:	Monday, December 22, 1997 3:09 PM

Subject:	Re:  Abramelin Oil Recipe



93 everyone,



When I made my oil, I used the recipie listed in the back of Book 4 (1994),

footnote number  233, page 715.

8 parts cinnamon oil

2 parts galangal

7 parts olive oil

4 parts myrhh



It worked very well. I think this would account for the added cinnimon oil

(and burn) Chariot spoke of.



I hope that helps.



93  93/93

John Crow



Recipe 5



From:	Grendel [SMTP:dougs170@cris.com]

Sent:	Tuesday, December 23, 1997 4:25 AM

Subject:	RE: Abramelin Oil Recipe



93,



Thank you for the information.  I got 28 drams from Nuit Importers.  I

immediately put the remainder in the fridge.  It was not rancid.

I also noticed that it takes a while for the Myrrh to assimilate.  I used

Myrrh essential oil.  Next time, I'll grind the myrrh and go from there.

Anyone else have experience making it?  Please post.  It is an expensive 

endeavor, and the more knowledge, the better the results.



Oh, silly me, The recipe I used was as follows:



4 parts Cinnamon E. Oil

2 parts Myrrh E.Oil

1 part Galangal E. Oil

3.5 parts Extra Virgin Pressed Olive Oil.



I used the L.B.R.P. to begin.

Cleared, centered and focused my mind on the project at hand.

Mixed the ingredients slowly.

Used a quartz stirring rod and a glass bowl to mix.

Through out all I stayed focused.



After funneling into glass containers, I did the L.B.R.P. to finish.



93 93/93

Frater Kali



Recipe 6



From:	Fra.'. Anastasios [SMTP:anastasios@earthlink.net]

Sent:	Tuesday, December 23, 1997 10:41 AM

Subject:	Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe



93 All,

Tradition is a wonderful thing.  I personally like to make my own

incenses and oils from scratch whenever I can and have been doing so for

over twenty years, but I have never been happy with the results of

Abramelin oil made that way, largely for E6sthetic reasons.  I have been

much more satisfied by blending my own using all natural, non-synthetic

essential oils (real galangal oil can be had from a number of places I

am told, but I get mine in San Francisco at Curios and Candles on

Divisidero just east of Haight).  I recommend caution when using

purchased oils for this reason: our extraction methods are more

sophisticated and efficient nowadays than they were when the abramelin

recipe was recorded.  Using those proportions with modern oils will not

give the same results and you will most likely only be able to smell the

cinnamon.  And I, for one, do *not* like to go for the burn.



What I do is this:  Start with an amount of olive oil approximately a

third of the amount of Abramelin oil desired.  Remember that what is a

desirable trait in olive oil for cooking may not be desirable for

fragrance purposes.  Dark green, extra virgin olive oil will lend it's

own fragrance to the result.  I use the lightest oil I can find.  Add

about a quarter to a third that amount of Myrrh oil.  Then start adding

the galangal oil several drops at a time, mixing and smelling in between

additions to test the strength. Real galangal oil has a very peculiar

fragrance and you don't want it to overpower the others.  When the

galangal and myrrh oils seem to be in good balance with one another (you

may have to go back and forth, adding the two oils) then start adding

the cinnamon.  The cinnamon is the strongest of the three and you will

need to add it very slowly, drop by drop, to avoid completely

obliterating the other two more subtle fragrances, particularly the myrrh.

This is the simplest method I have found for developing a blend that

truly satisfies your own tastes.



93, 93/93

Fra.'. Anastasios



Recipe 7



From:	Khem Caigan [SMTP:frob@bway.net]

Sent:	Thursday, December 25, 1997 11:52 PM

Subject:	Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe & Exodus 30



Loran93 wrote:



> Could you please point to which book in the Bible I might find this 

> reference?  



93s, Loran-    Exodus 30 is pretty much the nuts-and-bolts of the 

Knowledge and

Conversation of the H:.G:.A:..The recipe for the Oil given there is:

    five hundred weight of solidified myrrh,

    two hundred fifty of fragrant cinnamon,

    two hundred and fifty of aromatic cane<calamus>,

    five hundred of cassia,

    and a hin of olive oil.

'Make of this a sacred annointing oil, a compound of ingredients 

expertly blended,

to serve as sacred anointing oil.'

    -Khem



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Hints from experience:



Hint 1



From:	Ruthanne7 [SMTP:Ruthanne7@aol.com]

Sent:	Monday, December 22, 1997 11:09 PM

Subject:	Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe



Just a side note.....if you get galangal oil, be careful that it isn't 

rancid.  It does that rather quickly. This is the information I get 

from some friends that make it.



AbraMelin oil is known to undergo some alchemical "change" as the 

ingredients "marry". I forget the particulars, but the idea is to let 

it sit for a while and let it do it's thing. You'll know when it's 

ready. It clears and gets that wonderful golden color.



Also, Galangal is said to have certain mind-altering qualities, perhaps 

a reason why it is used instead of ginger. : ) Galangal oil is 

associated with the Sun, and all solar energies.



I hear that Lotte Leib of Stellar Visions is a world class expert on 

the manufacture of AbraMelin oil.



9393/93,

Ruthanne



Hint 2



From:	MDNewcomb [SMTP:MDNewcomb@aol.com]

Sent:	Tuesday, December 23, 1997 12:07 AM

Subject:	Re:  Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe



93!



As for the Galangal, it needs to be mixed with the other ingrediants 

ASAP in order to prevent the rancid effect.  If you find a place 

that sells the essential oil of this root, be sure they over-nite it 

to you in a "cold" pack OR have it shipped via refrigerator truck.  

This will add to the expense of the oil and you really should expect 

to pay apporx. $150 to 200 for an ounce (shipping incl.).  At least 

that is the last price I recieved from the Labs that make the 

essential oil from the root.



Thanks,

	Mark



93 93/93



Hint 3



From:	Grendel [SMTP:dougs170@cris.com]

Sent:	Monday, December 22, 1997 9:03 PM

Subject:	RE: Abramelin Oil Recipe



93!



Galangal is not ginger.  It is from the same family, but not the same.

Galangal is more "bitter", "hot".   Ginger is "sweeter".  It is more

popular in Thai cooking than in Chinese cooking, where ginger is

predominant.



Olive Oil extract, or pressed Olive Oil will work.  I doubt that the

original recipes used Extract of Olive Oil.   I can almost bet that they 



used the pressed.   Extraction being the more "expensive" if  not the 

more difficult.



I used "extra virgin pressed".  The resultant was a nice base.  Very 

smooth and luxuriant.  I feel that extract would scent the resultant 

differently.



But then again, Do what thou wilt!



93 93/93

Frater Kali



-----Original Message-----

From:	Andrew Spitzer [SMTP:iopan@ix11.ix.netcom.com]

Sent:	Monday, December 22, 1997 8:34 PM

Subject:	Re:  Abramelin Oil Recipe



Galangal is also known as Ginger, yes?



Anybody know where to get _extracted_ Olive Oil, rather than the pressed

stuff from the grocery store?



  --Andrew

  iopan@ix.netcom.com

  http://www.netcom.com/~iopan

  http://www.netcom.com/iopan



Hint 4



From:	Fra.'. Anastasios [SMTP:anastasios@earthlink.net]

Sent:	Tuesday, December 23, 1997 10:41 AM

Subject:	Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe



A simple method for finding out if the oils you are buying are *truly*

non-synthetic is to taste them.  Be brave, and taste only a tiny amount

on the end of a toothpick. Real cinnamon oil is easy enough to buy at

the grocery store (read the ingredients and be sure it's not quassia, a

common substitute),  but I have been sold "natural" galangal oil that

was nowhere near genuine.  Myrrh is very bitter and galangal tastes like

hell, but *neither* of them tastes the least bit like perfume.  If you

detect the slightest bit of soapy, perfumey taste, the oil has at least

some synthetic ingredients and is likely a blend, not the real thing.

For some purposes that's just fine, but if you're going to be using it

for cakes of light, I don't recommend it.  Good luck.



Hint 5



From:	Fra.'. Anastasios [SMTP:anastasios@earthlink.net]

Sent:	Tuesday, December 23, 1997 12:19 PM

Subject:	Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe



93,



Ruthanne7 wrote:

>Thanks for the info about Candles and

> Curios...Do you also place the oils in a bain marie for a while?



No, I just blend them and shake 'em up real good.  Different brands

sometimes have different weights or viscosity which could account for

the separation.



>How do you still smell anything after the 8th sniff or so?



Coffee, love.  It's an old trick: freshly grind some coffee and give it

a sniff after each sniff or so of the oils.  It keeps your olfactory

receptors from getting tired and accustomed to the same old smell.



> One thing I have noticed is that it's very hard to get someone who 

> DOES make it successfully to give out all of the steps.



What I've outlined in my earlier post is what I do, nothing left out.  I

don't see what all the ooky spooky mystery is about, other than to lend

importance and mystique to one's own methods.



>And what about this "change" I hear it goes through?



Fragrances do blend or "marry" over time.  It's a molecular thing and it

just takes time.  My abramelin oil matures pretty much completely after

about two or three months.  The only way I can describe the difference

is that the freshly made stuff, while definitely usable and quite nice,

is more "raw" or "green" smelling and become more mellow with age. Kind

of like people.  It's a very subtle change.



> I will trade my mother's cheesecake recipe for a coherent complete 

> AbraMelin oil recipe!



I've been known to trade "personal" favors for cheesecake!



93, 93/93

Fra.'. Anastasios



Hint 6



From:	Behutet [SMTP:Behutet@aol.com]

Sent:	Tuesday, December 23, 1997 8:46 PM

Subject:	Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe



<< How long will it stay "good"?  Does it have a "shelf life"?  >>



I'm not sure if Abramelin oil would go rancid over time or not.  In any

case, the addition of a small amount of oil from a vitamin E capsule 

will keep most oils that do go rancid from doing so.



93/93

Behutet



Hint 7



From:	Grendel [SMTP:dougs170@cris.com]

Sent:	Tuesday, December 23, 1997 5:25 PM

Subject:	RE: Abramelin Oil Recipe



93!



I would assume, after all this discussion, that this is where the dual

nature of Alchemy comes into play. (Not sure if I am stating this

correctly, bear with me.)



For a successful mixture, the ingredients, and the mixing are only half 

the operation.  The spiritual being the other half.



Example:  I stated earlier that my in my Oil, the myrrh seperated.  So I 

wondered what to do.  I took a vial and massaged it between my hands.  I 

focused on it, I applied my body heat to it, I sat in front of my Stele. 

I invoked the love of Nuit.  And the Myrrh started to assimilate.



Call it what you will, (a scientist would probably state that the heat 

from my body accelerated a normal chemical change) but if I had stopped at 

only the "mixing stage", not carried it through to the ritual, I would 

still have a vial of seperated Oil.



Thank you all for the info.



93 93/93



Frater Kali



Hint 8



From:	Grendel [SMTP:dougs170@cris.com]

Sent:	Tuesday, December 23, 1997 11:47 PM

Subject:	RE: Abramelin Oil Recipe



93!



As for your question, all true essential oils will keep with care.

Remember, these are natural extracts.  In most cases they are 

susceptible to air, light and heat.  I have a special cabinet where 

I keep my extracts and essences.  All oils are kept in tightly 

sealed jars.  If I am really worried, or the essence is highly 

valuable (Rose Otto), the fridge has always worked well.



Hope this helps.



93 93/93



Frater Kali



Hint 9



From:	Sekhet-Bast-Ra Lodge, Ordo Templi Orientis [SMTP:sbr@telepath.com]

Sent:	Wednesday, December 24, 1997 6:40 PM

Subject:	Re:  Abramelin Oil Recipe



93  Andrew



We recommend pharmacial grade olive oil.  It is the purest that you can

buy, but it is expensive.  You can get it at any local pharmacy.



Ixel & Hunahpu



Hint 10



From:	Sekhet-Bast-Ra Lodge, Ordo Templi Orientis [SMTP:sbr@telepath.com]

Sent:	Wednesday, December 24, 1997 6:50 PM

Subject:	Re:  Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe



93

We are not Ruthanne7 but...  Lotte still makes the Abramelin oil.  

However if you wish to make your own, distilling galangal root in 

a grain alcohol is the most effective way of obtaining galangal.  

Since you use grain alcohol, there is little  or no chance of 

getting rancid galangal and it keeps for years.  Galangal has a 

strange organic chemistry and many of the so-called experts that 

deal with galangal will sell you a bad batch.  So let the buyer beware.  



93  93/93



Ixel & Hunahpu



Hint 11



From:	Ruthanne7 [SMTP:Ruthanne7@aol.com]

Sent:	Wednesday, December 24, 1997 7:44 PM

Subject:	Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe



Thank you also for the info on making one's own Galangal Oil.

Now for the hard part?  Where do you get the fresh root? Assuming that 

is what is used in the distillation process.....



I usually add a couple of drops of  homemade tincture of Benzoin to all 

of my oils. This does the job of keeping them from going rancid. Would 

this be a bad idea with the AbraMelin oil? I haven't made it 

successfully yet, and won't try again until I'm quite sure of the 

process.... do's and don'ts, ect.



Thanks in advance,

9393/93,

Ruthanne



Hint 12



From:	Ross A. Ramos [SMTP:raramos@socrates.berkeley.edu]

Sent:	Thursday, December 25, 1997 10:17 AM

Subject:	Re: Abramelin Oil Recipe



93 all!!



> Now for the hard part?  Where do you get the fresh root? Assuming 

> that is what is used in the distillation process.....



Try your local Thai grocery store. I live in the Berkeley, Calif. area 

and found it quite available. The typical price is $5.50 per lb. One 

store on University Ave. had galangal at $3.50 per lb. Shop around 

and you may find a bargain. But then again, you get what you pay for.



Love is the law, love under will.

Ross



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OTO and EGC Consecration and Making:

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/7793/oil.htm



Botanical/Herbal References:

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/g/galang01.html

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/m/myrrh-66.html

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/c/cinnam69.html

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/o/olive-06.html



Thelema93 list and others can be found at:

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Subject: Re: alt.magick REF: Abramelin Oil

From: "Anteros" <dmwhite@usaor.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:15:44 GMT

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Do What Thou Wilt Shall Be The Whole Of The Law.

93 All!

	I thought that I'd add my $.02 about the Abramelin Oil.  As an

Aromatherapist and Herbologist, I've tried many different variations on the

formulas for Abramelin Oil, and have come to understand a few intricacies

that I am willing to share with my colleagues.  Firstly, it should be

understood that when these formulas were created and recorded, there was no

distillation, and solvent extraction was still unknown to the Alchemist. 

Essential oils were extracted from the bulk herb or resin through

maceration and efflueruage technique.  

	One drop of today's highly concentrated essential oil is equal to about 32

cups of that same infused herb.  Therefore, when the formula of Abramelin

calls for "Myrrh in tears, one part, Fine Cinnamon, two parts, and Galangal

1/2 part" it is referring to the dried bulk herbs that must be added to the

Olive Oil base, so that the essential oils can be infused into the Olive

Oil.  This is a time consuming and expensive procedure.  And the resultant

amount of Abramelin Oil is comparatively small to the working constituents.

 Also, much of the Olive Oil is absorbed by the dried ingredients, and must

be pressed back out and triple filtered through cheesecloth or a vacuum

filter.  

	Now to the issue of the Cinnamon.  The formula refers to "Fine Cinnamon". 

This means TRUE Cinnamon.  Not the common imitation of Cassia.  You see,

fine/true Cinnamon is "Cinnamonium Zeylanticum" and is grown mainly in

Ceylon.  It is very expensive due to the fact that real Cinnamon trees only

grow to about 15 feet in height.  Therefore, the bark that is peeled off to

make the Cinnamon "sticks" is in smaller quantity, and this process usually

damages the tree to the point of expiration.  Thus the high price and

unavailability of true cinnamon bark.  The cinnamon that is commonly sold

in grocery stores and food co-ops is "Cinnamonium Cassia" which is a

different tree altogether.  It is grown in China and can grow up to 25-30

feet.  The bark is harder and more pungent and bitter.  It is a distant

relative of Cinnamonium Zeylanticum, but is inferior and possesses entirely

different medicinal and magickal qualities.  

	Using Cassia in Abramelin Oil instead of Zeylanticum is in my opinion

futile, as you are producing a different oil entirely.  It is like using

oranges in a recipe instead of tangerines.  Oranges can pass for the

general taste and aroma, but they are not truly tangerines.  The smell of

the true Cinnamon is not as "spicy", it actually is sweeter and slightly

floral in nature.  Now to the point of "the burn".

	If you were to correctly do your research and cross reference all sources,

you would discover that when it is said that the oil should bring about a

slight burn to the skin, it is not referring directly to the oil itself. 

Abramelin oil is nothing more than a tool.  As is Yoga, meditation, and the

Middle Pillar Exercise or LBRP.  Anointing the skin with highly

concentrated, caustic Cassia oil will not bring about Divine Enlightenment

or Conversation with the Holy Guardian Angel, and any one who thinks this

to be true is a fool.  The real Cinnamon causes a very subtle and slight

sensitivity to the skin, a slight tingle which makes your senses more aware

and helps the Kundalini to rise.  THAT is what causes the burning

sensation....the rise of Kundalini  is what causes the body to burn from

energy internally.  Not topical chemical burns from a caustic, volatile

organic irritant.  

	Abramelin Oil when made with the intended ingredients and correctly will

NOT burn your skin.  And it will NOT cause a rise of Kundalini unless you

have prepared through meditation, have banished, and are in a state of mind

and spiritual elevation to accept the subtle energies that it can bring

about.  If anyone has any questions, please feel free to email me.

In light,

Frater Anteros

Love Is The Law, Love Under Will.









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Subject: Re: Anti-smoking herb

From: Susan Dolan <sdolan@ne.uswest.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:37:07 -0600

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When my sister was quitting smoking, she just popped a piece of star anise into her mouth whenever she felt the urge to

light-up.



slade or kay henson wrote:



> Nicotine is a physical addiction. The hand-to-mouth habit is the hardest to break. That's why I suggested the calming herbs.

>

> Kay

>

>   --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

>               or

>   --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade

>

> Amp wrote in message <34F5F0F8.683DE0F8@someplaceelse.com>...

> >Provided, of course, that the addiction is a purely physical one as this remedy

> >would have no effect on "physcological addition".

> >

> >--

> >Amp







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Subject: Re: How to prepare Red Ginseng???

From: "Perry D Haaland" <strategix@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:04:26 -0500

--------

I also have been getting ginseng from friends in Korea. Here is what I do:

fill a crock pot (must be glass or ceramic not metal) with water -- mine is

about 2 Q (?), then I add 3 smallish roots and 2-3 teaspoons of sassafras

root. Cook down until the volume is reduced to about 1/3. Then store in the

refrigerator. I also tried the jujubes, which my Korean friends also

supplied, but I didn't like it too much.



I have also been tincturing the roots in 70% alcohol which I prefer to the

water method.









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Subject: Re: How to prepare Red Ginseng???

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 15:36:58 -0500

--------

Warren Winfield Dixon wrote in message <34F5BC15.54E4@cyberramp.net>...

>A very nice woman who recently returned from a trip to the Far East

>brought me back a cannister of Korean Red Ginseng.  The ginseng is in

>root form and I am not sure on how to prepare it.  The package has the

>following instructions:

>

>"Put Red Ginseng, 0.9i water, 3jujubes, and 3g of ginger into a pot and

>boil until reduced to 1/3 of initial amount. Drink 2 to 3 times a day."

>

>I am not smart enough to understand the above instuctions.  What amount

>of Red Ginseng? One root?  What is 0.9i of water?  What is a jujube?

>Would the ginger be grated up ginger root?  Is ginger root normally

>taken with Red Ginseng?  Are the above instructions for a single serving

>or for a whole day's worth?

>

>Sorry for all the questions.

>

>Thanks in advance for your assistance.

>

>Peace,

>

>Warren W. Dixon

>

>warrend@cyberramp.net



WOW!  That sure WAS nice of her!  That stuff's expensive, at least over here

in the States.



My guess is that the "i" in "0.9i" is really an "L", for "liter".  Since the

ginseng is in the whole root form, rather than sliced, the recipe is for one

whole root.  Jujubes, also known as red dates, are the fruit of the Zizyphus

jujuba tree.  They are available in many Chinese grocery stores.  The

jujubes should be crushed to expose the interior of the seeds before using.

The ginger used in Chinese traditional medicine is the dried whole or sliced

root unless indicated otherwise.  You may have to look in a health food

store to find the whole dried ginger roots (Frontier herbs sells them).  In

a pinch the dried powdered ginger used in baking could substitute, but is

harder to strain out.  As to how much to take - well, this depends on your

needs, and on the size and quality of the root.  Most Chinese formulas call

for between 5 and 10 grams of ginseng for a single dose.  It is best taken

(as a tonic) once a day, in the morning, on an empty stomach.  It is

recommended NOT to take if you are using tea (or other caffeine source); and

the recipe should preferably be prepared in a porcelain vessel, never in

iron or other metal pot.  The traditional ginseng cooker, which can

sometimes be found or ordered in this country from oriental foods stores, is

a small-mouthed porcelain pot with (usually) two handles, and two lids (to

prevent escape of the volatile components) - one fits tightly over the

opening, and the other larger one covers much of the top.  The ginseng

cooker is not placed directly over heat; rather it is placed in a larger

container of water, and the water brought to the slow boil.  After cooking,

the ginseng cooker can be left in the pot until the water has cooled - this

will prevent the chance of it cracking from a sudden change in temperature.



In traditional Chinese medicine, Ginseng is regarded as an energy tonic.  As

such, it causes a buildup of energy in the body.  If there is any

obstruction to the movement of energy in the body, ginseng (and especially

the Korean red ginseng) can cause energy imbalances, which can manifest as

muscle pains or spasms, pains in the neck and upper back, headaches, etc.

Jujubes are supposed to have a moderating effect when used with ginseng,

prolonging the effect and "smoothing it out", so to speak.  Ginger increases

the yang effects of the ginseng, while at the same time helping distribute

the energy.  Ginseng can be used without one or either of the other herbs;

the combination you mention is designed to optimize the beneficial effects

of the very expensive ginseng using relatively inexpensive additives.

Ginseng is also used in a wide variety of other combinations, along with

other herbs to either bolster or moderate the effects of the ginseng or

direct it's energy to different parts of the body as needed.  Another use is

in cooking - there are a number of recipes, often found in good Chinese

cookbooks, that call for cooking ginseng along with chicken in a broth,

which is then eaten as a soup.  The flavor is surprisingly pleasant, though

quite "different".  Now, that's chicken soup with a kick!



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: How to prepare Red Ginseng???

From: suequill <suequill@pan-tex.net>

Date: 4 Mar 1998 05:27:21 GMT

--------

Perry D Haaland wrote:

> 

> I was talking to my Korean friend today about ginseng. He much prefers to

> take the ginseng after being cooked in water with jujube and ginger. He says

> that the drink it instead of water in Korea as part of a several year

> treatment. It is evidently very good for circulation problems.

> 

> In Korean, if you wanted to take ginseng, you would evidently first go to a

> herbal hospital and they would check your pulse, etc. to see if you had the

> right constitution to benefit from ginseng. I guess you would not take

> ginseng if you tend to be a "warm" type of person -- very active, fast

> metabolism, warm body.





==========

Subject: Pinworm

From: "Perry D Haaland" <strategix@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:11:07 -0500

--------

Hi,

    Can anyone recommend herbal treatments for pinworms?

        Thanks,

        Perry











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Subject: Re: Pinworm

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 1 Mar 1998 08:58:01 -0700

--------

"Perry D Haaland" <strategix@mindspring.com> wrote:



>Hi,

>    Can anyone recommend herbal treatments for pinworms?



The problem with pinworm is that it spreads ... treating the

infected child does NOTHING for the other humans in the household

or classroom, and reinfection is common unless you are thorough.



  Pumpkin seeds: about 2oz fresh, shelled and ground into a flour

(then mix it into peanut butter or whatever the kid will eat)

given once daily for three or four days will kill the wornm in

the intestines.  Treat the whole family!   In fact, you can use

the green pumpkin-seed flour to thicken salsa and make a classic

Mexican "pipian" sauce.

  You also have to prevent re-infection from the hundreds of eggs

that the worms shed each day ... these fall off the perianal

region and land all over the place.



1. Treat ALL contacts as if they were infected

2. Remove all bedding and either wash in hot soapy water or run

through the dryer on HOT FLUFF 

3. Thoroughly vacuum the bed, mattress, and entire house: place

vacuum bag into a sealed plastic bag and throw out.

4. Wash ALL underclothing in hot soapy water.



For prevention, enforce a few rules:

  always WASH your hands after going to the bathroom

  always wash your hands before eating 

  no butt scratching

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Pinworm

From: mk95528@aol.com (Mk95528)

Date: 2 Mar 1998 07:41:09 GMT

--------

no butt scratching (-;

 (very true though)



Sincerely;



Margie

http://members.aol.com/mk95528/rarebooks.html





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Subject: Re: Pinworm

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:45:32 -0600

--------

Herbal Medicine:

David Hoffman suggests 

peeling clove of garlic, pricking it with pins so that the oils will leak out, and inserting the clove into the anus of the infected person. This can be irritating to children and they may not be able to tolerate it.



Pumpkin and watermelon seeds ground into a powder and taken with aloe juice on an empty stomach every morning is suggested by Dr. Ni, who practices Traditional Chinese Medicine.



Ayurvedic Medicine:

Bitter melon, eaten as a vegetable, is very effective in killing parasites naturally. It is a cucumber shaped vegetable found in Chinese, Japanese and Korean markets. It can be cut up and eaten in small pieces with other vegetables because of its bitter taste. Eat one or two bitter melons a day for seven to ten days then repeat again after one to three months to make sure the infestation has not returned.

Berberine taken orally also helps, as will tomatoes, eaten with black pepper.



Natural remedies for treating pinworms can take a long time to be effective. There is always the option of getting the prescription for Vermox.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: glaucoma

From: "Aloe Vera Studies Organization" <aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 20:45:11 -0800

--------

Well, it's not an herb, but have you considered dropping honey into the

eye(s)?  This remedy was used even in ancient Egypt.



- Aloe Vera Studies Organization

(site address removed to avoid appearance of "spamming")



Trish or Brodie wrote in message <34f22db1.0@news.bc1.com>...

>Anyone have any suggestions for herbs that help eyes deal with glaucoma?

>

>Thanks, Trish

>

>









==========

Subject: Re: glaucoma

From: ravenvvoif@aol.com (RavenVVoIf)

Date: 2 Mar 1998 21:14:52 GMT

--------

In article <O21uvPMR9GA.220@upnetnews04>, "Aloe Vera Studies Organization"

<aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com> writes:



>

Well, it's not an herb, but have you considered dropping honey into

>the

eye(s)?  This remedy was used even in ancient Egypt.



I have heard of this...as an ancient Egyptian practice, but have you personally

ever done it? Or know of anyone who has? I wan't to try it myself, but would

rather hear it from someone who has done it first. <g> Yep, I'm a wus....hehehe

RavenWolf







==========

To: slade or kay henson <noway-nohow@nowhere.com>

Subject: Re: Inducing Labor

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 21:17:32 -0800

--------

> Have you doctor strip your membranes gently by inserting a gloved finger between the inner cervical opening and the membranes, and sweeping his finger in a full circle to separate the bag of water from the cervix.

> You can try nipple stimulation for 2 hours at a time, several times daily.

> Tinctures of Blue Cohosh, Black Cohosh, and Ginger may help---10 drops of each, taken every 2 to 3 hours, with the dosage increasing as labor begins.

> 2 ounces of castor oil in fruit juice for 3 consecutive hours.

> Try going to an acupuncturist.

 



I have four boys, three delivered with a midwife.  I also tend to go

past my due date.  My smallest baby was 8lb 13 3/4 oz.  and my buggest

baby was 9.5 pounds.  I did have my cervix stripped with one boy and did

go into labor within 24 hours.  We tried it with my last but the

membrane was already gone.  But my midewife did suggest another way to

start labor.  We thought about it and desided that it was too much

work.  There is something in the male sperm that will starte labor if

the baby is ready to be born.  But to be effective you must have

intercourse at least once every 24 hours.



J9





==========

Subject: Re: Inducing Labor

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 19:41:22 -0600

--------

Pete & Janine wrote:

> 

> > Have you doctor strip your membranes gently by inserting a gloved 

> > finger between the inner cervical opening and the membranes, and 

> > sweeping his finger in a full circle to separate the bag of water 

> > from the cervix.

> > You can try nipple stimulation for 2 hours at a time, several 

> > times daily.

> > Tinctures of Blue Cohosh, Black Cohosh, and Ginger may help---10 

> > drops of each, taken every 2 to 3 hours, with the dosage increasing 

> > as labor begins.

> > 2 ounces of castor oil in fruit juice for 3 consecutive hours.

> > Try going to an acupuncturist.

> 

> I have four boys, three delivered with a midwife.  I also tend to go

> past my due date.  My smallest baby was 8lb 13 3/4 oz.  and my 

> buggest baby was 9.5 pounds.  I did have my cervix stripped with one 

> boy and did go into labor within 24 hours.  We tried it with my last 

> but the membrane was already gone.  But my midewife did suggest 

> another way to start labor.  We thought about it and desided that it 

> was too much work.  There is something in the male sperm that will 

                      ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> starte labor if the baby is ready to be born.  But to be effective 

> you must have intercourse at least once every 24 hours.



Prostaglandin.  It's not in the *sperm* as such, it's in the seminal

fluid.  Direct hormonal stimulation initiates contractions/cervical

dilation.



-Kyra [worked for me!]





==========

Subject: Re: What herb help fertility?

From: "Charlotte b." <Ballard@ipa.net>

Date: 1 Mar 1998 07:00:58 GMT

--------





M.Nicoletti <mnicolet@mail.ccacc.cc.pa.us> wrote in article

<34F2DAAF.FE0D3B84@mail.ccacc.cc.pa.us>...

> Are there any herbs that help either men or women become more fertile?

> my wife and I are

> looking for a natural answer to our difficulty in conceiving.

> mnicolet@mail.ccacc.cc.pa.us

> 

For men: Zinc, Vit C.

For women: Dong Quai, Vitex Agus Castus (slow acting but effective take 6

months), wild yam (after ovulation only), B-6, B-12.







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Subject: Tape Worms

From: netdevul@aol.com (NetDevul)

Date: 1 Mar 1998 07:46:44 GMT

--------

Is there any other remedy for tape worms in cats, than Black Walnut extract? I

am having no luck with it.



Thanks in advance!!!!



~Jackie





==========

Subject: Re: ringworms

From: netdevul@aol.com (NetDevul)

Date: 1 Mar 1998 07:56:12 GMT

--------

This is going to sound like a folktale, but I swear to you it works!!!

My Dad showed me this.

Take a piece of a brown paper bag and twist it up,

lay it on a WHITE plate. And burn it with a match.

It will leave a rust colored salve on the plate. While it is still hot, wipe

the salve on the ringworm area on the skin. DO NOT WASH IT OFF until the next

day.

Let me tell you it works!!! No more ringworm.

I have used this remedy since with friends, etc....

They can't believe it works!!!



~Jackie





==========

Subject: Re: ringworms

From: bingo@rosenet.net (Gene Freadman)

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:27:01 -0800

--------

In article <19980301075601.CAA13972@ladder02.news.aol.com>,

netdevul@aol.com (NetDevul) wrote:



> This is going to sound like a folktale, but I swear to you it works!!!

> My Dad showed me this.

> Take a piece of a brown paper bag and twist it up,

> lay it on a WHITE plate. And burn it with a match.

> It will leave a rust colored salve on the plate. While it is still hot, wipe

> the salve on the ringworm area on the skin. DO NOT WASH IT OFF until the next

> day.

> Let me tell you it works!!! No more ringworm.

> I have used this remedy since with friends, etc....

> They can't believe it works!!!

> 

> ~Jackie



My cold sore remedy was burning a twisted piece of white paper and putting

the yellowish residue on the sore, still is except I haven't had a cold

sore in years. Learned it from a old riverman.



-- 

gene---In Oregon---As always I can be wrong and often am.



.





==========

Subject: Re: missing a St John's Wort dose

From: mez@idirect.com (Bob Mez)

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 11:12:07 GMT

--------

On 24 Feb 1998 12:51:42 GMT, blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2) wrote:



>225 mg standardized to what?



225mg equiv to 1000mg herb







==========

Subject: Kidney pain

From: "Gale Koch" <gdkoch@inav.net>

Date: 1 Mar 1998 15:58:42 GMT

--------

Greetings all.



My husband's family has a history of kidney problems, and all his life,

he's had periods where his kidneys really bother him.



About a year ago, they hurt so bad, he went in (again) for tests.  The

doctors even snaked one of those video probes up into his kidneys to look

inside.  They have never found, and still cannot find anything wrong.



Drinking nettle tea helps somewhat, as does drinking cranberry juice, but

even those quick fixes are apparently not as useful as they once were.  



My darling now wants to try a cleansing fast, but doesn't really know where

to start.  I thought I saw a post about this some time back.  Can anyone

lead me to an archive file or repost for me?



Thanks so much, Gale





==========

Subject: Re: Kidney pain

From: cnsjjc@aol.com (Cnsjjc)

Date: 2 Mar 1998 00:07:06 GMT

--------

No first hand experience, but I've heard/read that in, addition to cranberry,

couchgrass root, gravel root, pipsissewa, and uvi ursa are sometimes 

helpful.  Good luck.  I hope he can get some relief soon.















==========

Subject: Re: Kidney pain

From: ravenvvoif@aol.com (RavenVVoIf)

Date: 2 Mar 1998 21:14:53 GMT

--------

I have had cronic Kidney problems all of my life as well leading up to stones

about a year ago. My doctor suggested that I drink raspberry juices and teas.

Rasberry she said keeps the tracts clean from the Kidney and out....as well as

preventing stones from forming, it helps break down any that are already there,

aiding in washing them out. I tried this and it did help. Later I was reading

in my Indian Herbalogy Of North America book, and read about this. It backed up

everything that my doctor had told me. Good luck, and wish your husband well

with this.



Blessings,

RavenWolf







==========

Subject: Re: Kidney pain

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 03:38:21 GMT

--------

"Gale Koch" <gdkoch@inav.net> wrote:



>My husband's family has a history of kidney problems, and all his life,

>he's had periods where his kidneys really bother him.



If it were me, and I did not want to do a full out kidney regimen

(like Hulda Clark's), I would use the following program, which will

likely produce extremely beneficial results in a very short time

and relieve any pain almost immediately:



Daily for three weeks:



Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate



250mg vitamin B6 taken with cal-mag at night.



Nature's Herbs Marshmallow Combination



Planetary Formula's Stone Free



After three weeks, take only a cal-mag (1:1 cal-mag ratio, preferably

Country Life Calcium Magnesium Potassium) and a 

good multivitamin (like VegLife Multi or Nature's Way two-per-day

multi).  Do not take this much B6 more than three weeks

continuously.  Take multivitamin during three week program,

too, for best results, but if doing this, use only a 150mg B6 since

the Nature's Way has 100mg already, or otherwise get

250mg total.  Eat lots of potassium-rich foods (vegetables and 

fruits) and/or consider also taking potassium citrate during

three week regimen.  Take marshmallow combination and/or

Stone Free afterwards as needed, but not continuously.



Most important is to drink lots of water.  Preferably distilled and

ozonated in containers filled oneself, or just carbon filtered

if cannot do this, even from a carbon filter pitcher like a Pur,

Rubbermaid, Brita, ...



turf







==========

Subject: Re: Kidney pain

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 13:36:49 -0500

--------

Gale Koch wrote in message <01bd452a$a74371c0$46eee6ce@gdkoch.inav.net>...

>

>Drinking nettle tea helps somewhat, as does drinking cranberry juice, but

>even those quick fixes are apparently not as useful as they once were.





Gale, get him to try eating pumpkin seeds.  They are mildly diuretic, and

will help keep the kidneys flushed without undue irritation.  They have

helped in cases of prostatitis, so their soothing effect may be helpful for

his kidneys as well.  They are certainly non-toxic!  Try to get the

uncooked, unsalted hulled seeds (usually available at health food stores)

and roast them yourself if he prefers them that way.  They can also be

ground and included in recipes like banana bread, used to thicken sauces,

etc., or in any recipe calling for nuts.  I would personally be cautious

about trying some of the stronger herbal diuretics, as they may actually

increase irritation to the kidneys.  Corn silk is one diuretic that is also

somewhat demulcent and thus tends to soothe rather than irritate; it has

also been reported to be useful in dissolving stones.



In addition or instead of the cranberry juice (which in some brands is

mostly sugar-water), use apple juice as the beverage.  In areas where apple

juice is drunk daily, it has been noted that kidney problems (especially

kidney stones) are rare.



Keep plenty of garlic in the diet, or use a good brand of garlic extract or

capsules daily; this is an antibiotic which will work without irritation in

case there are bacteria the tests didn't catch.  And by the way (if you can

take the expense) have the tests done again at another clinic or lab -

mistakes do happen, and it is possible to overlook an infection.  Even

albumin in the urine, a common marker for kidney problems, can naturally

vary quite a bit and might not appear on a single urinalysis.



Heat applied over the kidneys in the form of castor oil packs or other hot

packs may be helpful in reducing pain.  Also consider that pain in the area

of the kidneys may actually be caused by spasm or inflammation of muscles in

the lower back, which professional massage therapy may help - but I would be

reasonably sure there is no actual kidney damage before using deep massage.



Hope this helps.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Kidney pain

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:15:39 -0600

--------



Thank you, everyone, who offered suggestions for kidney pain.  The pain 

is on the ebb right now, but we will systematically try most suggestions 

to see what will work best for Doug.



I love this newsgroup.  It's the best so far, that I've run across!

Gale





==========

Subject: Re: Kidney pain

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:06:10 -0800

--------

My niece has problems with her kidneys.  She tried to drink the

Oceanspray Cranberry Juice with no results.  She now drinks cranberry

juice from After the Fall with very good results.  You can also try

Blueberrys they are a good for the bladder and kidneys.

J9



Gale Koch wrote:

> 

> Thank you, everyone, who offered suggestions for kidney pain.  The pain

> is on the ebb right now, but we will systematically try most suggestions

> to see what will work best for Doug.

> 

> I love this newsgroup.  It's the best so far, that I've run across!

> Gale





==========

Subject: Richters HerbLetter 98/02/28

From: conrad@richters.com (Conrad Richter)

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:06:48 -0500 (EST)

--------

-----------------------  Richters HerbLetter  -------------------------

  Published by:   Richters, Specializing in the World of Herbs

                  Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

  Editor:         Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>

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Date: 98/02/28      



Contents

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1. Lemon Geraniums Absorb Toxic Waste

2. Spicy Alternative in Fusarium War; Extracts from Hot Peppers Can Send 

   the Pathogen Packing

3. Echinacea: Deep Healing Roots

4. Herbal Medicine Technology Park Set for Australia

5. Melatonin Reported Found in Three Herbs

6. Herb Business News

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1. Lemon Geraniums Absorb Toxic Waste

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Charles Oberdorf



TORONTO, Toronto Star, Feb 21 -- A fascinating botanical story has 

sprouted at the University of Guelph.



A familiar flowering plant, the lemon-scented geranium, is capable of 

absorbing and accumulating almost unimaginably large amounts of toxic 

heavy metals from contaminated soil, horticulture professor Praveen 

Saxena and three associates announced a few weeks ago.



First, a boring but necessary clarification:  Correctly speaking, 

Guelph's plants were Pelargonium sp. Frensham.



The window-box plants with red and pink mopheads of bloom that we 

call geraniums are all pelargoniums.  True geraniums are leggier, 

smaller-flowered garden plants, frequently called cranesbill or 

storksbill geraniums, from the shape of their seed pods.



But never mind; the Guelph researchers call their plants lemon-

scented geraniums, so do most garden catalogues and so will we.



Saxena didn't set out to find plants that cleaned the soil.



He was investigating stress tolerance in a number of plants and, for 

a private company, also looking for ways to propagate popular plants 

using tissue culture.



"Knowingly and unknowingly," he says in an interview, "we subjected 

some lemon-scented geraniums to fairly extreme stress - watered them 

with very hard water, kept them at temperatures so high they killed 

everything else in the greenhouse."



He did realize, he says, that lemon-scented geraniums had a lot of 

mass, that leathery feel to their leaves, and that such tissue could 

accumulate metals.



And in fact, when he watered his cuttings with various metal 

solutions, within two weeks they accumulated up to 3,200 milligrams 

of cadmium, 18.700 milligrams of lead, 6,400 milligrams of nickel and 

650 milligrams of copper for each kilogram of plant tissue, dry 

weight.



All plants, its true, absorb some mineral traces from the soil.



Once in a while a garden plant will even show signs of a deficiency 

of manganese, say, or magnesium.



But the operative word is traces.



The quantities of metal Saxena's geraniums were taking up were no 

traces.



Scientists would call the geraniums hyperaccumulators, because of 

their ability to accumulate metal ions in very high concentrations.



However, unlike other known hyperaccumulators, such as Indian 

mustard, the geraniums have a good growth habit and can survive a 

variety of other contaminants, such as high concentrations of 

hydrocarbons - compounds such as paraffin, coal tar, polyethylene or 

naphtha - also common in polluted soils.



And, as if that weren't enough, lemon-scented geraniums are a cash 

crop.



Makers of perfumes and potpourris harvest their essential oils, and 

those oils can still be safely extracted from plants grown in 

contaminated soil, regardless of their metal content.



In fact, the metals themselves can also be retrieved by burning the 

plants and smelting the ash.



With contaminated farmland or a former industrial site, Saxena says 

off-handedly, "rather than having to truck off and dispose of an acre 

of topsoil - the standard procedure - you could take away a coin."



He thinks the geraniums could be bred to grow roots up to a metre 

long, although most soil contamination is nearer the surface than 

that.



"It would probably make more sense to plow every year for a few years 

to turn up the deeper soil.  You'd have to harvest the geraniums and 

replant, anyway."



Does anyone else remember Ataratiri, that vast no-man's land where 

Front St. meets Bayview Ave.?



It was supposed to be redeveloped as a residential neighbourhood like 

the one behind the St. Lawrence Market.



Project halted because soil was too toxic.



The provincial environment ministry halted that project a few years 

ago, after all the land had been assembled and the plans designed.



The problem, they said, was soil too toxic for human contact.



The only solution anyone saw at the time was to truck away many acres 

of earth, at prohibitive cost, to an undetermined site that would 

then be just as polluted and unfit for use.



A few seasons of lemon-scented geraniums, anyone?



[Editor's Note: This research was done with plants supplied by 

Richters.]



------------------------------------------------------------------------

2. Spicy Alternative in Fusarium War; Extracts from Hot Peppers Can Send 

   the Pathogen Packing

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Greenhouse Canada [ARS News Service], Feb 1998 -- Cut chrysanthemums 

are a traditional winter bouquet.  But florists and nurserymen in the 

U.S. must guard these fragrant flowers against fusarium wilt, and the 

primary means of protection - fumigation with methyl bromide - will be 

banned in the U.S. in the year 2001 under guidelines of the Clean Air 

Act.



Spices such as hot peppers may provide an alternative.



Researchers with the U.S. National Aboretum's Floral and Nursery 

Plants Research Unit have found that extracts made from hot peppers 

and cloves send the pathogen packing.  The arboretum is part of the 

Agricultural Research Service of the U.S. Department of Agriculture.



The Society of American Florists estimates that 57-million 

chrysanthemum blooms and 100-million pompons - the smaller flowers 

used in bouquets - were sold in 1995.  Making sure these flowers are 

healthy protects an important market.



In laboratory studies, ARS scientists treated soils with extracts of 

clove and cassia tree.  They also tested a mixture of chili pepper 

extract and essential oil of mustard.



The chili pepper mixture knocked out 99.9 per cent of the fusarium 

populations.  Although clove and cassia killed less fungus - 97.5 per 

cent and 96.1 per cent, respectively - they maintained their fungus-

suppressing power longer than the pepper.



The scientists hope to devise a two-step strategy:  first adding the 

spices to the soil to kill fusarium; then introducing friendly micro-

organisms to crowd out any fusarium that survive the spicy onslaught.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

3. Echinacea: Deep Healing Roots

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Coralie Adams



Greenhouse Canada, January 1998 -- Echinacea may be considered new in 

the medicinal field, but it's a plant with very deep healing roots.



Echinacea was the topic of a presentation by Ken Geness during Hort 

Week '97 activities at Olds College in Alberta.



The Diversification Centre North (CDCN) in Edmonton is a good 

resource, he said.  Their research notes that echinacea - earlier 

known under an interesting variety of names, such as Scurvy Root, 

Kansas Snakeroot, Rattlesnake Week, etc., (Echinacea:  A Review, by 

Dr. S. F. Blade) - has been used by First Nations peoples in North 

America for centuries.



In recent times, echinacea has been called purple coneflower and/or 

rudbeckia.



Responding to concerns raised by course participants, Geness said the 

government may well either restrict echinacea as a 'drug plant' or it 

may simply bring in a set of regulations for growers.  The reason for 

this type of intervention may stem from concerns that such products 

as pesticides may "change the plant".



He noted there is now a lot of discussion about whether field grown, 

greenhouse grown or hydroponically producted echinacea will result in 

a plant with the same medicinal properties.



Geness explained that the current interest in echinacea is not so 

much as a medicine to cure specific illnesses, but rather because of 

echinacea's ability to act as an immune enhancer.



Although there are nine known species of echinacea, the three grown 

commerically for medicinal processing are Echinacea angustifolia, 

Echincea purpurea, and Echinacea pallida (Echinacea:  A Review, by 

Dr. S. F. Blade).



Geness favours E. angustifolia but at least one grower who was in 

attendance said she favoured E. purpurea because it is such a 

vigorous, robust plant and is easy to grow.



Geness, who has been growing echinacea for three years, said growing 

methods are changing rapidly.  The plant "likes to be over-crowded", 

he said, and he recommends spacing the plants four to six inches 

apart.



Currently, echinacea seed is valued at $800.00 per pound and the root 

is valued at $50.00 per pound.  While field grown echinacea takes 

anywhere from 3 - 5 years between seeding and harvesting, Geness said 

it's possible to compress that time in a greenhouse situation, 

quoting a four-month seed to finish with an optimum two-year harvest 

possibility.



Geness cautioned course participants to always buy their seed from 

reputable sources as problems have been experienced by growers who 

bought seed mixed with chaff and/or immature seeds.  To avoid that 

problem, plugs can also be purchased but can vary in price from 15 

cents to $1 per plug.



When field growing, Geness recommends growers plant a maximum of one 

acre.  Why?  At present there is no planting or harvesting machinery 

available so everything is done by hand.  Any field over one acre 

would be beyond most people's ability to care for it.



However, one of the course participants said she was in the process 

of setting out 10,000 seedlings in the Olds/Innisfail area.  Geness 

knows of one producer in the Edmonton area working with 500,000 

seedlings in a greenouse setting.  There are reported to be more than 

40 growers in the four western provinces and a few states, with 15 of 

those growers in Alberta.



One of the headaches for growers is germination.  Geness said E. 

angustifolia has a strong triangular seed and is the hardest to 

germinate with only a 10 - 12 per cent germination rate without cold 

stratification.  He recommends stratifying seeds, then starting them 

in plugs (usually in a greenhouse or under lights).  He said it was 

better to provide too much light than not enough.



Geness recommends growers to join their province's branch of the 

Canadian Herb Society.  He also recommends they form a marketing 

board.  As well, the CDCN has a number of helpful publications:  

Echinacea:  A Review, Germination of Echinacea, Greenhouse Production 

of Echinacea, Plant Nutrition and Fertilizer Management.



Growers, he added, should maintain contact with one another to help 

them solve the problems, and build on the successes, of this growth 

industry.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

4. Herbal Medicine Technology Park Set for Australia

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Chris Herde

   

   GOLD COAST, AAP, Feb 27 -- Australia's burgeoning herbal medicine

industry could soon have its own home with an ambitious plan to build a 

research, development and commercial production centre at Lismore in 

northern New South Wales.



   The project is the brainchild of Lismore's Southern Cross University's

Dean of Graduate College and Research Professor Peter Baverstock, who said 

it could bring millions of dollars in investment and create thousands of 

jobs in the Northern Rivers region.

   

   The project - called Cellulose Valley, after California's Silicone

Valley and in recognition that cellulose is a compound common to all 

plants - has received strong support from the herbal medicine industry, 

natural cosmetic manufacturers as well as state and federal authorities.

   

   Prof Baverstock said land next to Southern Cross University has  been

set aside for the "technology park" with the next step being to get a site

plan, management structure and a feasibility study into natural plant 

primary production.



   "The thing about having research and development in the one place is

that it will attract the manufacturers and the combination of those two 

will hopefully put the region in the position where it can become the 

world centre for natural plant product production," Prof Baverstock said.



   He said of all herbal medicines consumed in Australia, only five  per

cent were actually sourced in the country. Ninety-five per cent of that 

figure came from the Northern Rivers region, making it the natural site 

for Cellulose Valley.



   He said with world best quality assurance, a Cellulose Valley would

provide the industry there with a great potential for export.

   

   "For example people ask us why do we grow celery seeds here when they

can be grown in Bangladesh for a tenth of the price," Prof Baverstock said.

   

   "The answer is there is no quality control in Bangladesh.

   

   "The herbal medicine industry prides itself in the quality of products

and the one thing it doesn't have at the moment is quality of products in

terms of quality control."

   

   Prof Baverstock said Cellulose Valley can set up world best practice

in quality assurance and then supply the primary producers in the region

with the right genetic type, the right conditions to grow it under, the 

right extraction procedure and the appropriate storage regime.



------------------------------------------------------------------------

5. Melatonin Reported Found in Three Herbs

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Conrad Richter



Feb 28 -- A team of researchers at the University of Guelph have 

discovered melatonin-like protein in three herbs.  In a brief report in 

the medical journal, Lancet, the researchers, Susan Murch, Colleen Simmons 

and Praveen Saxena, say that they found melatonin-like fractions in 

feverfew, St. Johnswort, and in baikal scullcap.  



If the melatonin-like proteins found in the herbs are proved to be 

biologically active, the discovery may help to explain the anti-migraine, 

anti-depressive and hypotensive properties of these herbs.  The group 

did not test for biological activity. 



[Editor's Note: This research was done using plant material supplied by 

Richters Herbs.]



------------------------------------------------------------------------

6. Herb Business News  

------------------------------------------------------------------------

Tongrentang: Chinese Skincare Medicines Introduced  

  

  BEIJING, AsiaInfo Services, Feb 27 -- Beijing Tongrentang Hongri

Health Medicine Co Ltd, a co-funded enterprise by China Beijing

Tongrentang Group Company and South Korea Hongri Company, recently  

introduced a series of skin-care medicines. The medicines are divided  

into two categories, spot-dispelling and whitening series and acne-

dispelling series. All of these medicines are made of pure natural  

Chinese herbs and have been permitted by the State Health Ministry to  

be put on the market. 



------------------------------------------------------------------------

  Richters Herb Catalogue: 103 pages, colour, over 800 herb plants, 

  seeds, and dried herbs. Over 40 new herbs, including rare medicinals 

  aromatics and culinary herbs.  Order catalogue by email at 

  mailto:catalog@richters.com (include name and postal address in 

  message). Or order on the Richters Web page, http://www.richters.com .

------------------------------------------------------------------------





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Goodwood, ON  L0C 1A0, Canada      | Catalog Requests: catalog@richters.com

Tel +1-905-640-6677  Fax 640-6641  | Website: www.richters.com









==========

Subject: very good Ginseng book

From: gryffin35@aol.com (Gryffin35)

Date: 2 Mar 1998 01:25:11 GMT

--------

There is a book I found on Ginseng that is top of the line.  The information in

it is wonderful.  It covers everything from the components and the differences

in products to growing it.  It is called "Facts about Ginseng, the Elixir of

Life" by Florence C. Lee published by Hollym International Corp. in New Jersey.





==========

Subject: Bladder Probs

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 01:34:37 GMT

--------

I have MS and as a result have what is called a neurogenic bladder.  I was

wondering if anyone knows of an herb that can actually relax bladder walls?  I

don't mean just a diuretic, which actually tends to make my problems worse, but

an herb that can act on smooth muscles and help them relax.  L-Threonine, the

amino acid helps to stop the bladder spasms, but I am looking for a relaxant.

Does valerian affect muscles?  I tried kava kava in large quantities, that didn't

work.  Uva ursi soothes irritation, but doesn't work, or buscu leaves either.

Any suggestions?







==========

Subject: Re: Bladder Probs

From: christie29@webtv.net

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:34:45 -0500

--------

Valarian will act as a muscle relaxant



she's like a cat in the dark,then she is the darkness.... >^-.-^<

                     





==========

Subject: St John's Wort

From: Shelly & Bill <rwd@ct1.nai.net>

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 21:04:20 -0500

--------

Is it dangerous to take St. John's Wort regularly if you also take

Imitrix often?

Shelly

rwd@ct1.nai.net







==========

Subject: Coated tongue question

From: sabisabi@webtv.net (heather)

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 21:25:31 -0500

--------

For as long as I can remember, my tongue has always had a white coloring

over it. I know this is probably a sympton of something, but I don't

know what. My diet is very good; I'm s strict vegan and only eat organic

produce. And I am very healthy, at least according to my doctor I am. I

do have an extremely fast metabolism. Anyway, this tongue of mine is

quite ugly, and I'd like to know if anyone has any suggestions.

Thanks.





==========

Subject: Re: Coated tongue question

From: christie29@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:48:29 -0500

--------

this is a sign of yeast.have u been on many antibiotics? or the pill?

(if your female) 



she's like a cat in the dark,then she is the darkness.... >^-.-^<

                     





==========

Subject: Re: Coated tongue question

From: suequill <suequill@pan-tex.net>

Date: 4 Mar 1998 05:13:15 GMT

--------

heather wrote:

> 

> For as long as I can remember, my tongue has always had a white coloring

> over it. I know this is probably a sympton of something, but I don't

> know what. My diet is very good; I'm s strict vegan and only eat organic

> produce. And I am very healthy, at least according to my doctor I am. I

> do have an extremely fast metabolism. Anyway, this tongue of mine is

> quite ugly, and I'd like to know if anyone has any suggestions.

> Thanks.



Pau D'Arco brewed as a tea is said to be helpful in getting rid of

candida yeast which this could be.  I just started using it for the

same reason.  Have a net friend in Brazil that exports herbs and he

said this is how he got rid of candida.  I bought some last week and

it is in loose leaf form so be sure to pick up one of those metal

containers for loose leaf tea too.  (Took me longer to find the tea

container than it took me to get the pau d' arco!!)  



Susie





==========

Subject: Re: Coated tongue question

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 13:19:32 -0500

--------

suequill wrote:

> 

> heather wrote:

> >

> > For as long as I can remember, my tongue has always had a white coloring

> > over it. I know this is probably a sympton of something, but I don't

> > know what. My diet is very good; I'm s strict vegan and only eat organic

> > produce. And I am very healthy, at least according to my doctor I am. I

> > do have an extremely fast metabolism. Anyway, this tongue of mine is

> > quite ugly, and I'd like to know if anyone has any suggestions.

> > Thanks.

> 

> Pau D'Arco brewed as a tea is said to be helpful in getting rid of

> candida yeast which this could be.  I just started using it for the

> same reason.  Have a net friend in Brazil that exports herbs and he

> said this is how he got rid of candida.  I bought some last week and

> it is in loose leaf form so be sure to pick up one of those metal

> containers for loose leaf tea too.  (Took me longer to find the tea

> container than it took me to get the pau d' arco!!)

> 

> Susie





Pau D'Arco is good for starters, but getting rid of candida yeast

requires much more.  Candida Albicans is a parasite, is caused by taking

antibiotics and to kill these pesty buggers requires a good digestive

cleansing which has a variety of ingredients: Black Walnut, Wormwood,

Quassia, Clove, Pau D'Arco, Pumpkin Seed, Rosemary, Thyme Oil, Orange

Peel, Marshmallow (to name the most important).  All food intakes of

wheat products such as breads, pastas and sugars should be totally

removed from your diet while on this detox program.  The candida

parasite thrives on these products.  Candida Albicans is responsbible

for causing not only digestive problems but can get through the walls of

the stomach lining and spread little by little to all other organs,

including the heart.



There is a good book called Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing by

James F. Balch, M.D. and Phyllis A. Balch, C.N.C., published by Avery

for $19.99.  I got mine at my local health food store, on sale for

$12.99.



All, all metals, especially aluminum and mercury are highly toxic!!  I

would strongly suggest you put your herbs in either glass or porcelain.



Fidget





==========

Subject: Re: fennel seed

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 18:44:58 -0800

--------

Gene Bilney wrote:

> 

> I drink fennel seed tea for my indigestion and it works.

> But it tastes so nasty-I hate the licorice flavor. I have

> tried blending it with mint and/or chamomile but it does

> not help. Does anyone know if anything works as well as

> fennel but doesn't taste so vile? thanks for any help.

> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> 



I used fennel seed while I was nursing my boys.  I can not stand the

taste so I put it into capsules to take.  Worked great.



J9





==========

Subject: Re: fennel seed

From: Cairis <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:58:29 -0500

--------

Dill is good for  indigestion and heartburn...

And ginger...



Cairis







==========

Subject: DHEA

From: bratliff@anet-dfw.com (Bob)

Date: 2 Mar 1998 02:58:07 GMT

--------

My doctor told me DHEA was very harmful. Like in death threatning.

Has anyone any thing on this?









==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net>

Date: 8 Mar 1998 16:02:35 GMT

--------

Only if the body is naturally producing adequate amounts

anything over presented to the body will cause the cell structures to lose

homeostasis and to underproduce its own supply thats just nature. To what

extent no one can conclude for sure...no one.

If you introduce any hormones into the body it is best if in raw form like

the wild yam itself. Not isolated because to many complimentary phyto and

micro nutrients would be lost and no one to date truly understands what the

ramifications would be. But I say again trust nature in its unadulterated

form.



Baba Escofhari Babatunde II

Institute of Afrikan Holistic Medicine and Science

POB 36176 

Greensboro NC 27416-6176





 



Bob <bratliff@anet-dfw.com> wrote in article

<6dd77v$c9q$1@news1-in.anet-chi.com>...

> My doctor told me DHEA was very harmful. Like in death threatning.

> Has anyone any thing on this?

> 

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 8 Mar 1998 17:23:15 GMT

--------

Esco Babatunde II (worldco@earthlink.net) wrote:

:Only if the body is naturally producing adequate amounts

:anything over presented to the body will cause the cell structures to lose

:homeostasis and to underproduce its own supply thats just nature. To what

:extent no one can conclude for sure...no one.

:If you introduce any hormones into the body it is best if in raw form like

:the wild yam itself. Not isolated because to many complimentary phyto and

:micro nutrients would be lost and no one to date truly understands what the

:ramifications would be. But I say again trust nature in its unadulterated

:form.

:

:Baba Escofhari Babatunde II

:Institute of Afrikan Holistic Medicine and Science

:POB 36176 

:Greensboro NC 27416-6176

:

:

: 

:



Not necessarily.  Some hormones have no feedback mechanism, so you continue

producing the same amount after stopping supplementation. Melatonin is

apparently one of these.



As for wild yam, all humans haven't been eating wild yams throughout their

evolutionary voyage.  The phyto-nuterient scenario is surely a factor in some

cases, as for instance eating an orange, which contains bioflavanoids is

preferable to eating just the ascorbic acid content of an orange.



DHEA though, from all I've read, is best taken in pure form. Moreover,

according to most reports I've seen, the body cannot produce DHEA from wild

yams.  There may be other benefits to wild yams but DHEA apparently isn't one

of them. Nex





    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: DHEA

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:54:15 -0600

--------

There are wild yam creams out there which contain DHEA in them. It's used on the skin to help balance hormones. 

Wild Yam Extract: Progesterone precursor, key component in the ultimate formation and balance of estrogen and testosterone.

Normally, people under 30 don't need to use DHEA. But, a lot of women in their 20s use wild yam cream. The youngest person I know on DHEA is 37; the next is a woman who is 40. Most of the people I know on it are in their 50s. The younger people use just the Wild Yam.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net>

Date: 10 Mar 1998 23:45:35 GMT

--------

Melatonin is one that will reduce if artificially ingested in large

quantities all the glands in your body posess their own electro-magnetic

frequencies and are very protective of themselves evolutionarily and will

respond. Especially if you intro. artificially for extended periods.  Where

did you get your info? from a book? We are talking active research.



> Not necessarily.  Some hormones have no feedback mechanism, so you

continue

> producing the same amount after stopping supplementation. Melatonin is

> apparently one of these.

> 

> As for wild yam, all humans haven't been eating wild yams throughout

their

> evolutionary voyage.  The phyto-nuterient scenario is surely a factor in

some

> cases, as for instance eating an orange, which contains bioflavanoids is

> preferable to eating just the ascorbic acid content of an orange.

> 

> DHEA though, from all I've read, is best taken in pure form. Moreover,

> according to most reports I've seen, the body cannot produce DHEA from

wild

> yams.  There may be other benefits to wild yams but DHEA apparently isn't

one

> of them. Nex

> 

> 

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------

>     "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

>         perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

>                           Ariwara no Narihira

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------

> 





==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net>

Date: 10 Mar 1998 23:47:21 GMT

--------

You should only intro. what is lacking and needed...Period.



Esco Babatunde II <worldco@earthlink.net> wrote in article

<01bd4c7e$f6921140$40af2399@worldco.earthlink.net>...

> Melatonin is one that will reduce if artificially ingested in large

> quantities all the glands in your body posess their own electro-magnetic

> frequencies and are very protective of themselves evolutionarily and will

> respond. Especially if you intro. artificially for extended periods. 

Where

> did you get your info? from a book? We are talking active research.

> 

> > Not necessarily.  Some hormones have no feedback mechanism, so you

> continue

> > producing the same amount after stopping supplementation. Melatonin is

> > apparently one of these.

> > 

> > As for wild yam, all humans haven't been eating wild yams throughout

> their

> > evolutionary voyage.  The phyto-nuterient scenario is surely a factor

in

> some

> > cases, as for instance eating an orange, which contains bioflavanoids

is

> > preferable to eating just the ascorbic acid content of an orange.

> > 

> > DHEA though, from all I've read, is best taken in pure form. Moreover,

> > according to most reports I've seen, the body cannot produce DHEA from

> wild

> > yams.  There may be other benefits to wild yams but DHEA apparently

isn't

> one

> > of them. Nex

> > 

> > 

> >     ------------------------------------------------------------------

> >     "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

> >         perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

> >                           Ariwara no Narihira

> >     ------------------------------------------------------------------

> > 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 11 Mar 1998 05:53:32 GMT

--------

Esco Babatunde II (worldco@earthlink.net) wrote:

:Melatonin is one that will reduce if artificially ingested in large

:quantities all the glands in your body posess their own electro-magnetic

:frequencies and are very protective of themselves evolutionarily and will

:respond. Especially if you intro. artificially for extended periods.  Where

:did you get your info? from a book? We are talking active research.

:



Ahh nice - a little hostility to boot.   I got my information from medline

reports.  You apparently got yours from the electro-magnetic deity.



You might try looking for feedback mechanisms along with hormone

supplementation. Nex









    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: vocal <vocal@mint.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 09:58:24 -0500

--------

Wow! I never heard of that. I took it last year for about five months and people

always commented on how pleasant and cheery I was. It was just the opposite.

Strange and wonderful how different we all are.

- Peace, Kim



Tiggr p00h wrote:



> Just  a warning about melatonin:

>

> A coworker and I both started on it at approximately the same time.  We were

> taking, i believe, 1mg?  The smallest dose.

> Anyhow, yes we slept good.  However, the next day, if we weren't the crabbiest

> b**ches in the world,







==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:03:14 GMT

--------

My daughter and I tried it at the same time.  We both got a couple of

hours of sleep and then went hyper.  She stopped.  I stayed with it.

In a couple of day, it straightened out and I started sleeping the

night through.  Initial reactions aren't always the same as eventual

reactions to any meds, herbal, hormonal, OTC, or prescribed.  In my

case, I didn't find the initial reaction to be all that bad.  



I advise anyone who's starting melatonin to start on a weekend.

Friday night being best.  Then they have at least two days to find out

how it affects them and/or get to more 'typical' reactions to it  And

then find out which doseages are best.  Also, I started out by

sleeping up to 12 hours after taking it.  Now my system's all adjusted

and I simply take it a bit earlier (but never* when I'll be driving or

doing anything else with machinery involved) and stay up a couple of

hours before bedtime.  I'm using the time released, so don't get that

sudden kick of sleep need.  



Any med can have idiosyncratic reactions with any person.  Starting

small/low and keeping aware of this is a good thing.







On 15 Mar 1998 10:20:29 GMT, tiggrp00h@aol.com (Tiggr p00h) wrote:



>Just  a warning about melatonin:

>

>A coworker and I both started on it at approximately the same time.  We were

>taking, i believe, 1mg?  The smallest dose. 

>Anyhow, yes we slept good.  However, the next day, if we weren't the crabbiest

>b**ches in the world, i dont know who was!  Imagine ladies, if you will... your

>worst day of pms.  then multiply that by 100.  That's how we felt after taking

>melatonin.  Very hostile, violent, horrible.

>

>Sure, that doesn't happen with everyone, but it happened with everyone i know

>that took it.

>Just be careful!



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 15 Mar 1998 17:24:02 GMT

--------

cyli@visi.com wrote:

:My daughter and I tried it at the same time.  We both got a couple of

:hours of sleep and then went hyper.  She stopped.  I stayed with it.

:In a couple of day, it straightened out and I started sleeping the

:night through.  Initial reactions aren't always the same as eventual

:reactions to any meds, herbal, hormonal, OTC, or prescribed.  In my

:case, I didn't find the initial reaction to be all that bad.  

:

:I advise anyone who's starting melatonin to start on a weekend.

:Friday night being best.  Then they have at least two days to find out

:how it affects them and/or get to more 'typical' reactions to it  And

:then find out which doseages are best.  Also, I started out by

:sleeping up to 12 hours after taking it.  Now my system's all adjusted

:and I simply take it a bit earlier (but never* when I'll be driving or

:doing anything else with machinery involved) and stay up a couple of

:hours before bedtime.  I'm using the time released, so don't get that

:sudden kick of sleep need.  

:

:Any med can have idiosyncratic reactions with any person.  Starting

:small/low and keeping aware of this is a good thing.

:

:

:



Might be due to the age difference as well.  The younger produce enough

melatonin already - the older produce less. Nex





    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 15 Mar 98 17:15:29 GMT

--------

I took DHEA (25mg) for 50 days (one bottle), and all I noticed was that

it made my skin somewhat more oily.  I was 40 at the time, so I thought

I was old enough to notice more effect than that.



Re melatonin, my significant other is on day shifts part of the

time and night shifts the rest.  He uses melatonin to get to

sleep sometimes, and never has any bad side effects.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: "=^.^=" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com>

Date: 16 Mar 98 03:58:31 GMT

--------

Yes I believe you.  My stepdaughter took it to help her sleep... and she

slept just fine.  She got up a bitch and suffered a headache the whole

day..... 



to report herbs and herbalists that have sold you a bill of goods and you

became ill contact:



health claims@ftc.gov   or   otcfraud@cder.fda.gov    and seek help and

restitution.

-- 

Carol.....

***MicroSloth: "Bringing you 10 year old technology, tomorrow, maybe. ***

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*





Tiggr p00h <tiggrp00h@aol.com> wrote in article 

> A coworker and I both started on it at approximately the same time.  We

were

> taking, i believe, 1mg?  The smallest dose. 

> Anyhow, yes we slept good.  However, the next day, if we weren't the

crabbiest

> b**ches in the world, i dont know who was!  Imagine ladies, if you

will... your

> worst day of pms.  then multiply that by 100.  That's how we felt after

taking

> melatonin.  Very hostile, violent, horrible.

> 

> Sure, that doesn't happen with everyone, but it happened with everyone i

know

> that took it.

> Just be careful!

> 





==========

Subject: Re: DHEA

From: "Aloe Vera Studies Organization" <aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:58:04 -0800

--------

Now THAT is a response worth of the newsgroup!  Completely accurate.



The Aloe Vera Studies Organization

http://www.aloe-vera.org



Esco Babatunde II wrote in message

<01bd4aac$1d491100$08af2399@worldco.earthlink.net>...

>Only if the body is naturally producing adequate amounts

>anything over presented to the body will cause the cell structures to lose

>homeostasis and to underproduce its own supply thats just nature. To what

>extent no one can conclude for sure...no one.

>If you introduce any hormones into the body it is best if in raw form like

>the wild yam itself. Not isolated because to many complimentary phyto and

>micro nutrients would be lost and no one to date truly understands what the

>ramifications would be. But I say again trust nature in its unadulterated

>form.

>

>Baba Escofhari Babatunde II

>Institute of Afrikan Holistic Medicine and Science

>POB 36176

>Greensboro NC 27416-6176

>

>

>

>

>Bob <bratliff@anet-dfw.com> wrote in article

><6dd77v$c9q$1@news1-in.anet-chi.com>...

>> My doctor told me DHEA was very harmful. Like in death threatning.

>> Has anyone any thing on this?

>>

>>

>>









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Subject: Re: DHEA

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 11 Mar 1998 05:55:14 GMT

--------



I beg to differ. How long have you two known each other then? Nex





Aloe Vera Studies Organization (aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com) wrote:

:Now THAT is a response worth of the newsgroup!  Completely accurate.

:

:The Aloe Vera Studies Organization

:http://www.aloe-vera.org

:

:Esco Babatunde II wrote in message

:<01bd4aac$1d491100$08af2399@worldco.earthlink.net>...

:>Only if the body is naturally producing adequate amounts

:>anything over presented to the body will cause the cell structures to lose

:>homeostasis and to underproduce its own supply thats just nature. To what

:>extent no one can conclude for sure...no one.

:>If you introduce any hormones into the body it is best if in raw form like

:>the wild yam itself. Not isolated because to many complimentary phyto and

:>micro nutrients would be lost and no one to date truly understands what the

:>ramifications would be. But I say again trust nature in its unadulterated

:>form.

:>

:>Baba Escofhari Babatunde II

:>Institute of Afrikan Holistic Medicine and Science

:>POB 36176

:>Greensboro NC 27416-6176

:>

:>

:>

:>

:>Bob <bratliff@anet-dfw.com> wrote in article

:><6dd77v$c9q$1@news1-in.anet-chi.com>...

:>> My doctor told me DHEA was very harmful. Like in death threatning.

:>> Has anyone any thing on this?

:>>

:>>

:>>

:

:



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Subject: Re: DHEA

From: "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net>

Date: 17 Mar 1998 04:03:05 GMT

--------

I guess you prove Ignorance is truly Bliss Huh?

 Alan



Alan Pollock <nexus@king.cts.com> wrote in article

<889595714.853902@wagasa.cts.com>...

> 

> I beg to differ. How long have you two known each other then? Nex

> 

> 

> Aloe Vera Studies Organization (aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com)

wrote:

> :Now THAT is a response worth of the newsgroup!  Completely accurate.

> :

> :The Aloe Vera Studies Organization

> :http://www.aloe-vera.org

> :

> :Esco Babatunde II wrote in message

> :<01bd4aac$1d491100$08af2399@worldco.earthlink.net>...







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Subject: Re: DHEA

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 17 Mar 1998 05:55:44 GMT

--------

Esco Babatunde II (worldco@earthlink.net) wrote:

:I guess you prove Ignorance is truly Bliss Huh?

: Alan

:



You're speaking from experience, I see.  You stated that eating yam extract

for its DHEA content was superior to actual DHEA, as there were additional

items in the yam which aided its DHEA effectiveness. 



It's been shown that eating yam extract will not give you DHEA effects, as the

body cannot make DHEA from yams.  This can only be done in the lab. 



Listen to Henrietta Kress.  Read Medline Reports. Smell the coffee.



Then give it up. Nex



(nice name though)



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Subject: Re: DHEA

From: MzLily@no.spam.at.hotmail.com (Lily)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:03:09 GMT

--------

On 17 Mar 1998 05:55:44 GMT, nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock) wrote:





>You're speaking from experience, I see.  You stated that eating yam extract

>for its DHEA content was superior to actual DHEA, as there were additional

>items in the yam which aided its DHEA effectiveness. 



I purchased DHEA for pms symtoms. I took it for two days and  I

couldn't GET to sleep for two days until 4 a.m. It was 25 mg. What the

'knowledgeable' person in the store said was 'right' for a woman

between 35 and 50. [yeah...I should have listened to that small voice,

but I was tired and didn't]. Anyway I have found out that perhaps 15

mg would be best. As soon as I quit taking it, I slept well. : )



Lily





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Subject: Re: DHEA

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 16:14:54 GMT

--------

Lily (MzLily@no.spam.at.hotmail.com) wrote:

:On 17 Mar 1998 05:55:44 GMT, nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock) wrote:

:

:

:>You're speaking from experience, I see.  You stated that eating yam extract

:>for its DHEA content was superior to actual DHEA, as there were additional

:>items in the yam which aided its DHEA effectiveness. 

:

:I purchased DHEA for pms symtoms. I took it for two days and  I

:couldn't GET to sleep for two days until 4 a.m. It was 25 mg. What the

:'knowledgeable' person in the store said was 'right' for a woman

:between 35 and 50. [yeah...I should have listened to that small voice,

:but I was tired and didn't]. Anyway I have found out that perhaps 15

:mg would be best. As soon as I quit taking it, I slept well. : )

:

:Lily



Did you take it first thing upon waking?



The quote above gives the impression that I agree that yam products give one

useable DHEA.  I don't. Nex





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Subject: Re: DHEA

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:02:12 GMT

--------

>Esco Babatunde II wrote in message

(snip)

>>If you introduce any hormones into the body it is best if in raw form like

>>the wild yam itself. Not isolated because to many complimentary phyto and

>>micro nutrients would be lost and no one to date truly understands what the

>>ramifications would be. But I say again trust nature in its unadulterated

>>form.

(snip)



to which "Aloe Vera Studies Organization" <aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com>

said:



>Now THAT is a response worth of the newsgroup!  Completely accurate.



Let's just set the record straight here. None of the respected herbalists will

tell you that wild yam contains hormones - it doesn't. Instead it does contain

raw materials which can be turned into hormones, in a laboratory. NOT in humans.



If you guys have differing information please tell which human hormones you have

found in wild yam, and please also state your source.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: DHEA

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 17 Mar 1998 06:01:22 GMT

--------

Henriette Kress (HeK@hetta.pp.fi) wrote:

:>Esco Babatunde II wrote in message

:(snip)

:>>If you introduce any hormones into the body it is best if in raw form like

:>>the wild yam itself. Not isolated because to many complimentary phyto and

:>>micro nutrients would be lost and no one to date truly understands what the

:>>ramifications would be. But I say again trust nature in its unadulterated

:>>form.

:(snip)

:

:to which "Aloe Vera Studies Organization" <aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com>

:said:

:

:>Now THAT is a response worth of the newsgroup!  Completely accurate.

:

:Let's just set the record straight here. None of the respected herbalists will

:tell you that wild yam contains hormones - it doesn't. Instead it does contain

:raw materials which can be turned into hormones, in a laboratory. NOT in humans.

:

:If you guys have differing information please tell which human hormones you have

:found in wild yam, and please also state your source.

:

:Henriette

:

:--

:Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

:http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

:      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

:Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







Thank you Henrietta - I reproduce your article here, in case our friend Esco

Babatunde II missed it, as he/she made no reference to it in her/his last

playful missive. Nex





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Subject: Re: Red acne scars, how do I fade them?

From: figure-skater@ice.net (The ALIEN  ;>o    !)

Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 03:56:33 GMT

--------



>In article <34f374e2.36321322@news.supernews.com>, zevaluz@amphigory.com

>(Zevaluz) writes:

>

>>What about acne scarring, not the 'pits' that people get, but

>>red pigmentation that looks like you still have the acne, but are smooth

>>to the touch and non-irritated.  My MD told me that 'they never go

>>away', but there must be *something* that I can apply to 'heal' that

>>skin or fade them >somewhat!



***This might sound crazy, but it's a good thing for you to try---

on many people, it works wonders---

Wash your face without soap--- use plain sugar and water.

The sugar gives a mild abrasive action as you wash with it ---- rinse

it off with warm then cold water.

Don't dry your face--- but let it air-dry.

Next, apply a "rinse" of pure lemon juice. I'll warn you in advance---

if you've opened any pimply areas up through washing with the sugar,

it'll sting some when you apply the lemon------ but it will help the

condition you're fighting.

If you can't take the lemon juice, use cucumber juice instead--- it

helps greatly too, but the lemon works faster as far as the lessening

of the redness is concerned.

Again, let your face air-dry.

If your face feels too tight, you may use a good, mild cream,

preferably non-greasy, and one that will soak in quickly. Cocoa-butter

is excellent.

Once per day is plenty for the treatment--- but you may find even that

is too much, and need to cut back to three or four times weekly until

the condition is under control. Then, maintainance of once-weekly

regimes will keep it in check.

Hope that helps you--

romath (romath@usa.net)



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Subject: Re: Red acne scars, how do I fade them?

From: lbkraeuter@home.com (lbkraeuter)

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 05:58:09 GMT

--------

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 01:36:23 GMT, zevaluz@amphigory.com (Zevaluz)

wrote:



>On 25 Feb 1998 00:31:14 GMT, ravenvvoif@aol.com (RavenVVoIf) wrote:

>

>> >Cool Sounding Herbal recipes for mild acne snipped< <

>>Other useful herbs mentioned were carline thistle, echinacea, onion, Oregon

>>grape, soapwort, sorrel, strawberry and walnut.

>

>I have a question for you and others out there...

>

>What about acne scarring, not the 'pits' that people get, but red

>pigmentation that looks like you still have the acne, but are smooth

>to the touch and non-irritated.  My MD told me that 'they never go

>away', but there must be *something* that I can apply to 'heal' that

>skin or fade them somewhat!

>

>Any advice or personal experience would be appreciated - I'm getting

>tired of looking like I'm completely broken out! 





Not so sure about acne scares , but know about scares ,especially

surcical , I've been using SJW extract. St. Johns word wildcrafted 

and an extract made by seeping in olive oil. The main component 

is allaintoil a cell builder , I'm no chemist nor do I claim to be any



expert at all, I will say , that I've used this healing oil for 20

years , initionally for my children . But also for myself, after

beeing hit by a car, and having gone through many corrective

operations and many scares later , the doc is allways surprised

 at the minimal scarr tishue. 

Hope this is helpful, shuld you have add.questions , please ask by E-

mail, Annette





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Subject: east/west course

From: John kemic <kemic@allover.com>

Date: Sun, 01 Mar 1998 20:18:13 -0800

--------

would like to hear from anyone taking the east/west herbal home

course.thanks.







==========

Subject: Re: Tea tree

From: mk95528@aol.com (Mk95528)

Date: 2 Mar 1998 07:55:07 GMT

--------

>Does tea tree oil do all the things that is claimed of it? like just 

>>>>about everything.

>

>>Tea tree oil is a fairly good (and natural) antibiotic.  It's also

>>milder than most others as a topical product.

>>

>

>

>

>

>I have found tea tree oil to do everything that it claims to do.  I use

>only tea tree based products daily..  The caution I have about 

>



We use a drop on our tooth brush every day. !/4 canning salt, 3/4 Arm and

Hammer baking soda, to this we put  the one drop of tea tree oil on the brush

each time.

We put the powder combination in a plastic ketchup bottle (the funnel top) like

in resturants, but with a little cap on top. Got ours at the greo. store think

rubbermaid plastic.



Margie

http://members.aol.com/mk95528/rarebooks.html





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Subject: Re: Tea tree

From: "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:21:35 -0600

--------

Almost and more.  I use it on my dog .  She has very sensitive skin and is

allergic to fleas.  I do all I can for her.  My vet even gives her shots.

I found tes tree oil shampoo and   WA - LA!It worked She stop scraching

digging bitting her self and could finally find some peace.  I was happy

for her.



On 27 Feb 1998, Jennifer A. Bishop wrote:



> In article <345790d6.41393841@news.zippo.com>, SPUDkarens@nac.net says...

> >

> >On Sat, 25 Oct 1997 23:14:55 +0100, Andrew Godfrey

> ><andrew@zylanid.demon.co.uk> wrote:

> >

> >> Warren Davies

> >

> >>>Does tea tree oil do all the things that is claimed of it? like just 

> >>>about everything.

> 

> >Tea tree oil is a fairly good (and natural) antibiotic.  It's also

> >milder than most others as a topical product.

> >

> 

> 

> 

> 

> I have found tea tree oil to do everything that it claims to do.  I use

> only tea tree based products daily..  The caution I have about 

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Re: Tea tree

From: bobf@zoist.apana.org.au (Bob Fletcher)

Date: 06 Mar 98 00:05:08 GMT

--------

I hope all you people in the USA and elsewhere are using genuine Australian Tee

Tree Oil (Note the spelling, not related to Tea the beverage).



The Tee Tree is a native Australian bush of the melaluca family.   It is native

to tropical Queensland and for the best oil it needs to come from this area.



Probably one of the most important items in a first aid box.   It is stongly

antiseptic.   It is also good as an insect repelant, muscle aches and strains

and many more external applications.



Tee Tree Oil is poisonous taken internally but I have no doughts that small

quantities could be taken under a herbalists advice.



OH yes if you have a cold put some tee tree oil in boiling water and inhale.



Blessed be

            Bob.......

        +----------------------------------------------------------+

        |            Zoist-BBS - zoist.apana.org.au                |

        |                  Ph: 61-7-4033-2245                      |

        |      * IN BEAUTIFUL TROPICAL NORTH QUEENSLAND *          |

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Subject: Re: Tea tree

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 8 Mar 1998 01:49:02 GMT

--------

In article <1c5_9803061814@zoist.apana.org.au>, bobf@zoist.apana.org.au (Bob

Fletcher) writes:



>I hope all you people in the USA and elsewhere are using genuine >Australian

Tee Tree Oil (Note the spelling, not related to Tea the >beverage).



This is the first time that I've seen the "Tee" spelling (I've seen Ti-Tree

used).  My understanding was that Joseph Banks, botanist sailing with Captain

Cook, gave 'melaleuca alternifolia' the "tea" name because the leaves made a

spicy tea. Some people credit the name to Captain Cook, and he refers to the

trees seen at Botany Bay as the 'tea plant' in his logs. He also refers to the

beverage they made as a mix of spruce leaves and an equal quantity of tea plant

making a "beer exceedingly palatable, and esteemed by everyone." I think this

beer may have been exceedingly good for the crew's health in the 18th century!



A.R. Penfold, an Australian chemist, defined the antiseptic properties in the

1920s.



Cynthia Olsen, who did an excellent book on Essiac, has been writing about the

properties of Tea Tree Oil for several years and I recommend any of her books

put out by Kali Press if you're interested in the history of use and current

applications.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





==========

Subject: Re: Tea tree

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:04:47 -0500

--------

Melaluca is also found in south Florida, where it was introduced and has

become a serious pest, overwhelming native plants and threatening the

ecology of the area.  If anyone really wants to do a job that will benefit

almost everyone concerned, they would come down and chop the things up,

extract the oil, and we would all be able to buy it for a penny a pound

instead of the vastly inflated prices now being charged as a result of it's

being needlessly imported.



-RJO



Bob Fletcher wrote in message <1c5_9803061814@zoist.apana.org.au>...

>I hope all you people in the USA and elsewhere are using genuine Australian

Tee

>Tree Oil (Note the spelling, not related to Tea the beverage).











==========

Subject: Re: Best Anxiety-reducing herbal combo

From: cybertori@mindspring.com (Torrey Peacock)

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:45:55 -0800

--------

In article <34e91486.15807327@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu>, 

toth.22@osu.edu says...

> 

> 	I've been experimenting with Valerian Root and Kava Kava

> capsules to get a good anxiety-reducing herbal combo. Unfortunately,

> they haven't worked. Could anyone reccomend any other good combos and

> dosages? 



For one thing, herbal preparations vary tremendously in potency.  I 

suggest trying the fresh root liquid extract of Valerian, and a liquid 

extract of the Kava Kava too.  Dried herb capsules don't do much for me 

at all.  Another herb to consider is Passionflower - I find it very 

pleasantly calming, and a good combination with Valerian and Kava.  

Ignore the dosage instructions on the label, and take enough to where it 

works for *you* - IMHO these herbs are quite safe to use as needed.  



Torrey

-- 

cybertori@mindspring.com





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Subject: Re: Gotu Kola & Ginkgo Biloba

From: cybertori@mindspring.com (Torrey Peacock)

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:56:07 -0800

--------

In article <6cl8n3$8vi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, markinnc@hotmail.com 

says...

> Hi, I'd be very interested in hearing from people taking  Gotu Kola and/or

> Ginkgo Biloba.I'm especially interested in dosages and interactions of the the

> two.Are they both helpful in improving the mental processes ? Thanks for any

> input.



I take Ginkgo standardized extract in tablet form, and have found that 

it definitely helps to improve my memory and mental focus.  Not directly 

experiential, though.  The Herb Pharm company makes a "Gotu Kola-Ginkgo 

Compound" in liquid drops that is really great for an immediate 

cognitive boost.  It feels like the fog clears off your brain - 

wonderful!  Don't know, but suspect, that its the synergy of the two 

herbs which gives it the punch.  Also contains Calamus root.



Torrey

-- 

cybertori@mindspring.com





==========

Subject: Re: Gotu Kola & Ginkgo Biloba

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 2 Mar 1998 16:35:49 GMT

--------

Torrey Peacock (cybertori@mindspring.com) wrote:

:In article <6cl8n3$8vi$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, markinnc@hotmail.com 

:says...

:> Hi, I'd be very interested in hearing from people taking  Gotu Kola and/or

:> Ginkgo Biloba.I'm especially interested in dosages and interactions of the the

:> two.Are they both helpful in improving the mental processes ? Thanks for any

:> input.

:

:I take Ginkgo standardized extract in tablet form, and have found that 

:it definitely helps to improve my memory and mental focus.  Not directly 

:experiential, though.  The Herb Pharm company makes a "Gotu Kola-Ginkgo 

:Compound" in liquid drops that is really great for an immediate 

:cognitive boost.  It feels like the fog clears off your brain - 

:wonderful!  Don't know, but suspect, that its the synergy of the two 

:herbs which gives it the punch.  Also contains Calamus root.

:



My use is slightly different.  I use Ginkgo when I need to write something

very precise, and need to do it fast.  Ginkgo is very good for this.  It also

improves verbal skills - a good herb to take before meetings.  Don't take too

much Ginkgo, as you might get a speedy effect that's not altogether pleasant. 

40 to 60 mg standardized should do the trick for about 5 hours. There are some

substandard brands out there, even 'standardized' ones, so if you get no

effect, try another brand.



Gotu Kola on the other hand, I use for general well-being, the capacity to

focus (without regard to time), and a sense of confidence in what I'm doing. 

It's also a good aid to meditation, which Ginkgo is not, in my experience.  I

prefer the non-standardized caps from Nature's Way.  About 4 or 500mg - I take

two at a time.  It's difficult if not impossible to get any bad effects from

taking too much Gotu - at least in my body system. If you take more than two

of three of the above ina 5 hour period, you won't get a better boost - you'll

just be wasting money. 



Combined, yes, good effects, but I have noticed no 'third effect' from the

combo.  No gestalt as it were.  The properties of both complement each other. 



I don't often buy one product that contains both, as I like to get the best

quality of each, and dose as appropriate. Nex 



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Subject: Plantar wart

From: Jodi Ferri <jferri@bconnex.net>

Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 10:24:39 -0800

--------

Does anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of plantar warts?







==========

Subject: Re: Plantar wart

From: MICAHG@leeds.ac.uk (A.H. Gilmour)

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 16:55:58 +0000 (GMT)

--------

In article <34FAF967.4AB885B@bconnex.net>,

   Jodi Ferri <jferri@bconnex.net> wrote:

>Does anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of plantar 

warts?

>

Usually salicylic acid - paint it on, leave it for a couple 

of days, scrape of the top dead layer of skin and repeat.  

Usually takes an age.  Freezing them with solid carbon 

dioxide sometimes works too.



Helen Gilmour

micahg@leeds.ac.uk





==========

Subject: Re: Plantar wart

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 23:47:33 -0500

--------

A.H. Gilmour wrote:

> 

> In article <34FAF967.4AB885B@bconnex.net>,

>    Jodi Ferri <jferri@bconnex.net> wrote:

> >Does anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of plantar

> warts?

> >

> Usually salicylic acid - paint it on, leave it for a couple

> of days, scrape of the top dead layer of skin and repeat.

> Usually takes an age.  Freezing them with solid carbon

> dioxide sometimes works too.

> 

> Helen Gilmour

> micahg@leeds.ac.uk





I thoroughly agree...however plantar warts are caused by a virus.  My

daughter suffered terribly for years and the final solution to the

problem was the salicylic acid above PLUS taking 10,000 IU a day of

Vitamin A for 30 days.  DO NOT TAKE IT MORE THAN 30 DAYS! In high doses

for long period it can become toxic.



I can't tell you the pain my daughter went through each and every time

they tried to get rid of them (she was only 5 yrs old at the time). This

last procedure with the Vitamin A (in combination w/salicylic acid

treatment proved to be the miracle.  She is now 23 and has never hasn't

had any re-occurrences!



{{{Hugs}}}

Fidget





==========

Subject: Re: Plantar wart

From: "Joe Waag" <joewaag@sgi.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 23:51:58 GMT

--------

Cod liver oil



Jodi Ferri <jferri@bconnex.net> wrote in article

<34FAF967.4AB885B@bconnex.net>...

> Does anyone have any suggestions for getting rid of plantar warts?

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Plantar wart

From: ivyvine058@aol.com (Ivyvine058)

Date: 16 Mar 1998 02:12:31 GMT

--------

Apply 1 or 2 drops of warm castor oil 3x's a day, keep area covered (bandaid).

Wart should come off in about a week.







==========

Subject: alt.folklore .herbs

From: jkiefer@pathfindermail.com

Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 13:39:03 -0600

--------

My triglycerides were 248 after90 of 20mg of Lipitor it dropped to144 my

cardiac risk index was 5.9 now it has improved to 3.7 At the same time I'm

taking daily Cayenne[100,000 heat units+Garlic that act as natural rotorooters

against arterial placque and Hawthorn +Alfalfa that acts as wicks for

cholesterol. I'm going off the rx for 60 days and see if I'm able to control

the tgl and keep the cardiac risk at the same level.

Dick Quinn is the author of two books Left for Dead and Death by Deception.

Left for Dead deals with what herbs cure certain ailments Death by Deception

deals with Dick's ongoing Congestive Heart failure and recipes for tinctures.

I got both via the library and now own the 1st one Jay



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Subject: Re: grow saw palmetto berrys at home?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:49:07 -0500

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Alan Horowitz wrote in message <6d83nm$nqf@wilma.widomaker.com>...

>

>Supposed to be helpful for males. Very expensive in the mall outlets. Can

>I grow it in my backyard?

>--

>Alan Horowitz  alanh@widomaker.com



If you live in Florida, you may have trouble keeping it *out* of your back

yard.  Still, the wild critters usually get to the berries first.  And it

takes quite a few berries to make an extract strong enough to be effective;

at least, the research that has been done that shows an effect used

concentrates that would be the equivalent of eating handfuls of the berries

each day.  Not an especially pleasant prospect if you've ever tasted the

things.



-RJO











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To: Alan Horowitz <alanh@widomaker.com>

Subject: Re: grow saw palmetto berrys at home?

From: Jonathan Byron <jbyron@junix.ju.edu>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 12:51:27 -0500

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Saw palmetto grows as far north as the Carolinas (it is the state tree

of South Carolina). 



Richters has seeds (http://www.richters.com), and native plant nurseries

in the south also carry it. Richters also sells the dried berries (for

human consumption) at a price of 50 grams for $6. 



I believe that the reccommended dose is around 1 gram per day, or a

little over one ounce per month, so it wouldn't be that difficult to

raise enough for a person with a few plants, if the climate is right, or

if you have the plants in containers and move them to a sunny location

indoors when the weather turns cold. 





Subtropically,  Jonathan in North FLA





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Subject: Re: grow saw palmetto berrys at home?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:59:57 -0500

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>Saw palmetto grows as far north as the Carolinas (it is the state tree

>of South Carolina).





What?  Are you sure?  Saw palmetto isn't a tree (it has no upright trunk,

unlike the true palms, but grows low to the ground), so it's highly unlikely

it would be selected as a state tree.  I thought the state tree of S.

Carolina was the cabbage palm, or one of the other upright tree species.



>I believe that the reccommended dose is around 1 gram per day, or a

>little over one ounce per month, so it wouldn't be that difficult to

>raise enough for a person with a few plants, if the climate is right, or

>if you have the plants in containers and move them to a sunny location

>indoors when the weather turns cold.





Well, I'll have to check my references again (when I get home), but I

believe the recommended dose is more like one gram of the *standardized

extract* a day.  That translates to a *lot* of berries.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: grow saw palmetto berrys at home?

From: Jonathan Byron <jbyron@junix.ju.edu>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 15:49:38 -0500

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Egads! South Carolina's state tree IS the sabal palmetto, aka cabbage

palmetto. My bad!



Jonathan





Richard J. Ogden wrote:

> 

> >Saw palmetto grows as far north as the Carolinas (it is the state tree

> >of South Carolina).

> 

> What?  Are you sure?  Saw palmetto isn't a tree (it has no upright trunk,

> unlike the true palms, but grows low to the ground), so it's highly unlikely

> it would be selected as a state tree.  I thought the state tree of S.

> Carolina was the cabbage palm, or one of the other upright tree species.

> 

> >I believe that the reccommended dose is around 1 gram per day, or a

> >little over one ounce per month, so it wouldn't be that difficult to

> >raise enough for a person with a few plants, if the climate is right, or

> >if you have the plants in containers and move them to a sunny location

> >indoors when the weather turns cold.

> 

> Well, I'll have to check my references again (when I get home), but I

> believe the recommended dose is more like one gram of the *standardized

> extract* a day.  That translates to a *lot* of berries.

> 

> -RJO





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Subject: Re: grow saw palmetto berrys at home?

From: (sir.coffee 'at' usa.net)

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:06:03 GMT

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 10:52:57 GMT, turf@mindspring.com (turf) wrote:



>

>>Supposed to be helpful for males. Very expensive in the mall outlets. Can

>>I grow it in my backyard?

>

>Sure, if you live in Florida or other semi-tropical place.   Only

>problem is they taste awful (to me), and you need a lot to

>have an effect.  I would more recommend finding a discount

>herb shop (most likely _not_ in a mall) to find the best price.

>Best product I have seen for the money is Country Life

>Saw Palmetto Pygeum extract, which is equal amounts

>of guaranteed potency extracts of the two (more

>important, and cheaper than this treatment, is to avoid

>absorbing and ingesting metals, and consume adequate

>dietary zinc and magnesium).  Best cheap supplement

>is raw pumpkin seeds.

>

>turf

>



One must be careful when shopping herbal extracts by price. I have

been taking saw palmetto extract for five years now for an enlarged

prostate and started with a heavily advertised (radio) brand that was

pretty expensive. Within six weeks I had noticed a big improvement in

my condition and wishing to save money I changed to a cheaper brand.

Big Mistake!



Standardized Extracts are sold by weight, i.e., 160mg of saw palmetto

extract. However there is a big difference between 100:1 extract (100

pounds berries = 1 pound extract) and 4:1 (4 pounds berries = 1 pound

extract). I personally have never seen anyone advertise saw palmetto

extract by the strength of any active ingredient.



Another popular extract sold under different true strengths is

Bilberry. Maybe all of them have the same deceptions.



Sir Coffee





_ _ _



The Old Man and the C:\





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Subject: Re: grow saw palmetto berrys at home?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:24:30 -0500

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sir.coffee 'at' usa.net wrote in message

<350842f4.328647271@news.mindspring.com>...

>

>Standardized Extracts are sold by weight, i.e., 160mg of saw palmetto

>extract. However there is a big difference between 100:1 extract (100

>pounds berries = 1 pound extract) and 4:1 (4 pounds berries = 1 pound

>extract). I personally have never seen anyone advertise saw palmetto

>extract by the strength of any active ingredient.

>

>Sir Coffee



There *are* brands that sell "standardized extracts".  While most commonly

available tinctures and extracts are sold on the weight : weight basis,

standardized extracts are analyzed *after* the extraction process, and

guarantee a minimum level of activity based on the levels of known active

components.  While that is certainly overkill for herbs like peppermint or

chamomile, it is the only way of knowing just how much you are taking, which

is important with some of the more powerful (physiologically active) herbs.



-RJO











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Subject: Need folk lore on herbs....

From: "Preferred Customer" <drmiczak@myhost.com>

Date: 2 Mar 1998 23:50:06 GMT

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Hi!

I need information the folk lore of herbs..... *example*  Rosemary was

burned by people in the Middle Ages to drive away evil sprits and to

protect them from contracting the plauge......

This is the kind of info I would love to hear about.  I'm not too

interested in magic & all that.....  just the lore.  Please  E-mAiL mE : 

bijork@rocketmail   I may not get back here to see your message!  Thank you

so much.

-Marie o('-')o





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Subject: Re: Need folk lore on herbs....

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 3 Mar 1998 18:42:21 GMT

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>Hi!

>I need information the folk lore of herbs..... *example*  Rosemary was

>burned by people in the Middle Ages to drive away evil sprits and to

>protect them from contracting the plauge......

>This is the kind of info I would love to hear about.  I'm not too

>interested in magic & all that.....  just the lore.  Please  E-mAiL mE : 

>bijork@rocketmail   I may not get back here to see your message!  Thank you

>so much.

>-Marie o('-')o



The magickal and ritual use of herbs is well known and well documented.  Those

uses are part of what makes up herbal folklore.  If you omit the magickal or

ritual purpose of the herb you don't realize that the rosemary was used as an

incense  for its *magickal* ability to drive away evil spirits and for

cleansing and purifying the air.  This is what the people of that time

believed...to just say it your way makes it sound silly and trite...something

to be chukled over.  



If you leave out the Ritual use you omit that rosemary was traditionally used

as a funeral herb as it is an herb of remembrance and is said that when used in

the funeral ritual it will help those in attendance remember the loved one who

has passed with love and fondness and to remember that all life is mortal.  It

was long seen as a symbol of cemetaries and funerals and for remembering those

who had already passed on.  Not to mention that it has also been used at

weddings for the same purpose...of remembering the event fondly.



The deeper meanings of the Magickal and Ritual use of the herb is what gives

body, color, volume, and understanding to the current folklore surrounding the

herb.



Just my .02





Beth

The Truth is Out There....somewhere...isn't it?





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To: James&Jane SchindlerOrd <jasord@email.msn.com>

Subject: Re: Stress help needed!!!

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Mon, 02 Mar 1998 22:22:23 -0800

--------

The two remedies we use are not herbal but they are natural.  One is a

homeopathic remedy from Hyland's called Calms.  This is for when your

body is tired but the mind will not stop.  The other remedy we use is a

Flower essense from Bach Flowers called Rescue Remedy.  I go no where

without it.  When we travel with our four boys we now always check to

make sure we have it with us so all of us take it.



J9



James&Jane SchindlerOrd wrote:

> 

> Can anyone recommend herbal remedies for stress.  I am looking for something

> to calm me down and help me sleep at night.  I am so tired and energy-less

> all day, but as soon as I get into bed at night I am wide awake.  I am a

> mother of 3 young children, and my partner has the same trouble sleeping

> too.

> 

> Thanks,

> Jane.

> 

> james6@|SPAM_ME_NOT|waveland.org

> Help build a world wide environmental network at,

> www.waveland.org





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Subject: Re: Stress help needed!!!

From: "Scott Lee" <sjlee@wwnet.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:59:02 -0500

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I use (occasionally) valerian root.  I allow 1 tsp. of the herb to infuse in

8 oz. of wine for the day in the referigerator.  Drink it 1/2 hour before

bed.



Works for me.



Scott Lee





James&Jane SchindlerOrd wrote in message ...

>

>

>Can anyone recommend herbal remedies for stress.  I am looking for

something

>to calm me down and help me sleep at night.  I am so tired and energy-less

>all day, but as soon as I get into bed at night I am wide awake.  I am a

>mother of 3 young children, and my partner has the same trouble sleeping

>too.

>

>Thanks,

>Jane.

>

>

>james6@|SPAM_ME_NOT|waveland.org

>Help build a world wide environmental network at,

>www.waveland.org

>

>









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Subject: Re: Stress help needed!!!

From: Kenneth & Geraldine Mohler <dimunltd@swva.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 01:15:45 -0500

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Try catnip tea.







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Subject: Re: Stress help needed!!!

From: billp8@mindspring.com (Bill Poston)

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:13:25 GMT

--------

On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:31:35 -0000, "James&Jane SchindlerOrd"

<jasord@email.msn.com> wrote:



>

>

>Can anyone recommend herbal remedies for stress.  I am looking for something

>to calm me down and help me sleep at night.  I am so tired and energy-less

>all day, but as soon as I get into bed at night I am wide awake.  I am a

>mother of 3 young children, and my partner has the same trouble sleeping

>too.

>

>Thanks,

>Jane.



Jane,



While herbs may help, IMO the best help for stress is your mind. There

are two great books that I highly recommend. Please read them.



"The Power of Positive Thinking" by Norman Vincent Peale



"How To Stop Worrying and Start Living" by Dale Carnegie



It is not the things causing the stress but your perspective of the

things causing the stress.



Good luck.



Bill





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Subject: Re: Stress help needed!!!

From: dmayhew@bellatlantic.net

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:36:13 -0600

--------

In article <34FBA19F.8083C5C4@home.com>,

  Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote:

>

> The two remedies we use are not herbal but they are natural.  One is a

> homeopathic remedy from Hyland's called Calms.  This is for when your

> body is tired but the mind will not stop.  The other remedy we use is a

> Flower essense from Bach Flowers called Rescue Remedy.  I go no where

> without it.  When we travel with our four boys we now always check to

> make sure we have it with us so all of us take it.

>

> J9

>

> James&Jane SchindlerOrd wrote:

> >

> > Can anyone recommend herbal remedies for stress.  I am looking for

something

> > to calm me down and help me sleep at night.  I am so tired and energy-less

> > all day, but as soon as I get into bed at night I am wide awake.  I am a

> > mother of 3 young children, and my partner has the same trouble sleeping

> > too.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Jane.

> >

> > james6@|SPAM_ME_NOT|waveland.org

> > Help build a world wide environmental network at,

> > www.waveland.org

>



I am looking for a place to purchase the Bach Flower remedies. I sell herbs,

but I am looking for some homeopathics to go along with them.Does anyone have

a good supplier?



Debbie

http://members.tripod.com/~dmayhew



-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading





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Subject: Re: Stress help needed!!!

From: "Israel Iam" <WER1@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 09:22:23 -0800

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If your looking for the truth,I'll tell you,if not, your more than welcome

to seek advice elsewhere.The best,and most famous herb for your problem,is

cannibis.Not only will it calm stress,it will also help you sleep at

night.You can continue trying useless remedies,but none of them will

work,like cannibis ativa.The truth will set you free.Free from not just your

medical condition,but also,oppression to this herb.Cannibis's true

definition is an herb,not drug.Keep it real!









weR1@prodigy.net









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Subject: Re: Stress help needed!!!

From: vocal <vocal@mint.net>

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 11:38:52 -0500

--------

I suppose your right about the calming effects, however, my experience on sleep

was different. I know I'm the exception, not the rule, but, it kept me awake.

That's one of the reasons I quit smoking it many years ago. I found myself

staring at the TV too many nights watching reruns of 70's shows at 3:am when I

had to get up for work at 6:am. I guess I forgot to go to sleep. I've only heard

of a handful of people experincing sleeplessness from it though. The other

reason I quit, smoke (even from campfires) is not good for your lungs.



A few years ago I had the flu (not a cold, I was diagnosed with influenza) and

was given antibiotics which does nothing for pain. My body ached everywhere.

Even my earlobes and eyelashes hurt. Since I wasn't keeping any food down, I

didn't want to put a pill in my empty stomach (pills didn't stay down anyway).

My husbands co-worker sent him home with a 'joint' for me. I was quite

perplexed. I thought "yeah, great, a pothead who thinks he's a Dr and marijuana

is the cure for whatever ails you." But, I thought it might help me sleep and

the "munchies" would at least stimulate my appetite. I was so sick I would have

eaten Drano if someone told me it would help. I smoked the 'pot', my husband had

to hold it up to my lips I was so weak.  It was very effective. It didn't keep

me awake. It (almost) instantly relieved my aches and pains. My neck and

shoulders felt like a 100 pound weight had been lifted off. I ate some chicken

soup and kept it down for the first time in 2 days. I would do it again if I

felt I needed to, however, I'd perfer not smoking it. Does anyone have any

recipes for chicken/cannabis soup?



Peace, Kim





Israel Iam wrote:



> If your looking for the truth,I'll tell you,if not, your more than welcome

> to seek advice elsewhere.The best,and most famous herb for your problem,is

> cannibis.Not only will it calm stress,it will also help you sleep at

> night.You can continue trying useless remedies,but none of them will

> work,like cannibis ativa.The truth will set you free.Free from not just your

> medical condition,but also,oppression to this herb.Cannibis's true

> definition is an herb,not drug.Keep it real!

>

> weR1@prodigy.net











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Subject: Re: I've heard about a cure for athlete's foot..

From: snowshoe@xyz.net (Jan Flora)

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 02:03:05 -0900

--------

In article <34F5EB0D.79659A2C@IntNet.net>, silver <silver@IntNet.net> wrote:



>Hi,

>

>I've recently heard of a strange but supposedly long-know,and

>long-done(by the Military)

>about one's own urine being a cure for athlete's foot??? Has anyone else

>heard of this?

>

>Feedback,please!



Yes, it works. It can also help clear greasy heel/scratches on your horse.

(Which is fungal as well, and also responds to Tinactin, just like

athlete's feet does.)



Using urine is an old Native Alaskan tradition.



>Silver

>http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/

>http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/order/



   Jan in Alaska





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Subject: Re: I've heard about a cure for athlete's foot..

From: "Jean" <jeanw@ibm.net>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:32:33 -0500

--------

besides if you put open -sored feet into the waste that your body throws

away as waste..hummmm...can you not see the potential for disaster!!??  Jean

wl-ski wrote in message ...

> s> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:22:05 -0500

> s> Subject: I've heard about a cure for athlete's foot..

> s> From: silver <silver@IntNet.net>

>

> s> I've recently heard of a strange but supposedly

> s> long-know,and long-done(by the Military) about

> s> one's own urine being a cure for athlete's foot???

> s> Has anyone else heard of this?

>

>Yes.  Right in one of these kinds of shareing groups!  (It might

>have even been this one...I can't remember.)  But, the one who

>gave out that little 'jewel', also suggested that urine was... now,

>what word was it that they used... 'clean', ... or was it pure...

>Well, I *know* urine is *pure*.  But it is pure *urine*... unless,

>of course, it has been mixed with some other substance, in

>which case it becomes *impure* urine!  (Maybe they are of the

>opinion that their *own* urine is clean ...or pure... if so,  they

>went to a different 'school' than I did.  :)  Or, maybe their's *is*

>... but I'd bet it doesn't have any smell or color, either, !   :)

>

>The only way urine  (*any* urine) would be that pristine, would

>be for the individual to have absolutely, positively, nothing

>wrong with them.  After all, what *is* the function of the kidneys,

>anyway?   I'm not sure that that has even been possible since

>the Garden of Eden!

>

>cheers,

>WL Sakowski

>









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Subject: whiten teeth

From: phs4vbn@atlas.vcu.edu (Victor B. Newton Jr.)

Date: 3 Mar 1998 09:03:12 -0500

--------



What herbs can whiten your teeth?





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Subject: Re: whiten teeth

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 14:50:59 -0800

--------

Victor B. Newton Jr. wrote:

> 

> What herbs can whiten your teeth?





Eat fresh Strawberries





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Subject: Re: Question

From: you@somehost.somedomain (Generic)

Date: 3 Mar 1998 15:23:38 GMT

--------

In article <34EFF640.D2227D41@kjk.com>, sdsdsd@kjk.com says...

>

>Are there any herbs to treat mild acne?

>thanks.

>YES.ACNE, IS DUE TO, EITHER , HORMONE INBALANCE, WHERE YOU MIGHT USE 

RELEVENT HERBS. IT COULD BE THAT YOUR LIVER NEEDS DETOX, RELEVENT HERBS, 

RED CLOVER, NETTLE, SAGE. TO BE BREWED AS TEA







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Subject: Question

From: "Jean" <thisisit@bigfoot.com>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:12:25 -0600

--------

I have a question for someone who may be an herb expert.  I have been eating

a Nutritional Cookie with the following herbs in it:

green tea leaf extract, grape seed, ginkgo biloba, and ginseng.



These snacks are supposed to be a meal replacement and help one to lose

weight.  They are also supposed to give one energy.  I get very hyper when I

eat them, and I seem to stay hyper for a long time.  I also get very tense

muscles in my neck and shoulders.



I cannot drink coffee, as caffeine really bothers me and makes my hyper.

Could any of these herbs act like caffeine or which ones could be making my

hyper?



Thanking you in advance for your help with this!



Jean









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Subject: Re: Question

From: Deb Skinner <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:06:48 GMT

--------





Jean wrote:



> I have a question for someone who may be an herb expert.  I have been eating

> a Nutritional Cookie with the following herbs in it:

> green tea leaf extract, grape seed, ginkgo biloba, and ginseng.

>

> These snacks are supposed to be a meal replacement and help one to lose

> weight.  They are also supposed to give one energy.  I get very hyper when I

> eat them, and I seem to stay hyper for a long time.  I also get very tense

> muscles in my neck and shoulders.

>

> I cannot drink coffee, as caffeine really bothers me and makes my hyper.

> Could any of these herbs act like caffeine or which ones could be making my

> hyper?

>

> Thanking you in advance for your help with this!

>

> Jean





Green tea is very high in caffeine.  I have no idea if the extract has caffeine

in it or not.  Ginkgo biloba will increase circulation, which might make you

feel 'hyped'.  The ginseng [which ginseng?] makes many people feel wired.



I have no problem with caffeine, unless I overindulge on an empty stomach.



This is probably not the best combination to substitute for nutritious food,

which is what you want if you are serious about losing weight.  Instead of the

'cookie' try eating fruits or vegetables and go for a walk.  No magic pill here!



Deb



--

******

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com   or   debra@teleport.com  or   deb@spoonman.com

If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different set of challenges.









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Subject: Question

From: "Casey Chitwood" <casey-chitwood@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:23:24 -0800

--------

Green tea has caffeine in it and ginseng may make some people hyper and

tense.  This probably does not sound like it is too good for you.



I offer a free weigh management consultation by email.  If you are

interested, please email me.  I am a nutritional consultant and have

developed a way to create an individualized program for weight control.  I

would be happy to work with you to help you to reach your health goals.



Sincerely

Casey Chitwood









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Subject: Re: info please!!!!

From: georg <thegeorgKILL@servtech.kill.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 12:22:45 -0500

--------

The ALIEN ;>o ! wrote:

> 

> On 28 Feb 1998 09:35:32 GMT, tiggrp00h@aol.com (Tiggr p00h) wrote:

> 

> >Once kitty has a "favorite" box, begin moving it slowly off the cough and into

> >the living room.

> >

> >Hehe. I thought that was interesting.

> **Thanks, TiggrpOOh--- but------- !!!!!

> Romath



Romath,



I too have an incontinent cat. She has unfortunately needed to be

exiled to her own room, with her favorite smelly chair. We visit her

daily for cuddles, and make sure at least one other cat is visiting

her (we have 5 in all). In addition to the litterboxes, we have

blankets & afghans lying about, which I wash weekly in baking soda. To

discourage the other cats from approaching the new furniture, we are

spraying that with vinegar, and the cat-friendly furniture with

crumbled dried catnip.



-georg

non ani sunt permittendi





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To: "The ALIEN ;>o !" <figure-skater@ice.net>

Subject: Re: info please!!!!

From: "C. Broyer" <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:46:34 -0500

--------

Have you tried citrus?



Caris







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Subject: Re: info please!!!!

From: walkeriii@webtv.net (N Scott)

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 07:28:13 -0600

--------

Rub the offending spot with a moth ball --cats hate the order and never

go into my closets where I clothes stored in moth ball protected bags.

Also I had a cat that would use the newspapers that I placed down when I

was busy changing and replacing her "cat litter box". So one day I moved

the newspapers and she kept using them.  So I gradually moved them into

the bathroom and into the tub. Since I"m not a bath person this worked

great --no more SMELL because I cleaned the tub every night when I came

home and  no worries if I couldn't get home for a couple of days.



N





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Subject: Re: Smelly and sweaty feet problem

From: "Jean" <jeanw@ibm.net>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:09:35 -0500

--------

may I suggest that it may be as simple as keeping your feet dry...shoes that

are open,cotton or wool socks only...bare feet at home...using baking soda

in your shoes ...my husband had that problem...his family all have very

sweaty feet...just the body trying to cool...may also be bacteria/fungal

growth...from the sweating.  Good luck...changing the socks to Breathers

works best!!

wl-ski wrote in message ...

> c> Date: 23 Feb 1998 06:22:33 GMT

> c> Subject: Smelly and sweaty feet problem

> c> From: caffhaze@aol.com (Caffhaze)

>

> c> My feet are really smelly and sweaty, even when I am at

> c> home and don't wear any shoes. Anybody have any

> c> remedies? I've read some of the posting in this NG

> c> concerning foot odor, but I'm not familiar with some of

> c> the ingredients. So I appreciate any simple remedy.

>

>Would a foot bath of *natural* (not distilled) apple cider (1/4cup)

>in warm water... "simple" enough?  It really works!

>

>chees,

>WL Sakowski

>









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To: castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us

Subject: Re: Smelly and sweaty feet problem

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 09:56:49 -0700

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Patchouli is an antifungal.  Put 5 drops of patchouli essential oil in a cup

of cornstarch.  Use this to dust your feet every day.  And use cotton socks.



Pam

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Juli Kight wrote:



> Have you tried Tea Tree oil?  My feature this week is on tea tree oil, I

> like wiping my feet with it diluted with water, they feel cool and

> refreshed, like a foot spray. You can find the feature on my front page

> http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com until next friday.

> Juli

> Herbs For Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com

>

> wl-ski wrote:

>

> >  c> Date: 23 Feb 1998 06:22:33 GMT

> >  c> Subject: Smelly and sweaty feet problem

> >  c> From: caffhaze@aol.com (Caffhaze)

> >

> >  c> My feet are really smelly and sweaty, even when I am at

> >  c> home and don't wear any shoes. Anybody have any

> >  c> remedies? I've read some of the posting in this NG

> >  c> concerning foot odor, but I'm not familiar with some of

> >  c> the ingredients. So I appreciate any simple remedy.

> >

> > Would a foot bath of *natural* (not distilled) apple cider (1/4cup)

> > in warm water... "simple" enough?  It really works!

> >

> > chees,

> > WL Sakowski

















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Subject: Re: All protein diet- Safe?

From: "Jean" <jeanw@ibm.net>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 14:17:37 -0500

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It has been my experience that any fad diet is successful only in the short

term...and the backlashes are servere, depending on how long the diet is

continued!!  A BALANCED diet and EXERCISE...even just walking around the

block each day will make a better and healthier result and may create some

new habits.  Fruits,veggies and milks and breads all have necessary

components that build  and support the body...meat /protein is not a source

of all these .... and depletion one  or many other of these as well could

very well really strenuous on your bodily functions/system.   Be wise

Balance and Exercise!  Jean

Diarmadh'reia wrote in message <34F50C5D.59540BEC@po.cwru.edu>...

>Hi everyone,

>    One of the women I work with is going on an all protein diet in an

>effort to lose some weight she gained last year, and she has some

>questions.

>    1) The diet requires you to cut nearly all sugar, other

>carbohydrates, and starch out of your diet so your body is forced  to

>burn fat (go into ketosis).  Will cutting sugar out of your diet like

>this cause any damage to your body- specifically a heart attack?

>    2)  Does anyone know if a diet like this will actually work?

>    3)  She's extremely tired and generally run down all the time now.

>Is this normal- specifically- is it caused by 'sugar withdrawal'?

>FYI:  she's mid to late 40's, about 5'4", and weighs about 200 pounds.

>

>If anyone could share any knowledge they happen to have on this subject,

>it would be greatly appreciated.  Thanks very much.

>    -Diarmadh'reia

>









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Subject: Re: All protein diet- Safe?

From: "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:03:52 -0600

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There are many facets to your many questions.  First, this lady should be

seen by her doctor.  She putting herself in-harms-way this diet should be

carefully monitored.  Athelets who are on these types of diets are

watched very closedly.  This lady's body needs carbohydrates, they provide

the fuel to keep the brain,heart,kidneys and other organs functioning

properly.  Regular raw sugar is not really good for a person.  However I

don't listen to my own advise.  Carbohydrates convert to sugar in the body

in the form of glucose. Glucose is the food for the brain.  I don't have

the percentage the brains needs here at my fingertips, but it the food for

brain function.  This is also one reason why this lady is tired, she needs

the B-vitamins which come carbohydrates.  An excellent carbohydrate is a

potato.  It has been classified as the prefect food in thisfamily of

foods.  The B-vitamins content folate acid,nacin, thamin,and other

B-complexes.  Check these out.  This Lady is also in her fortys.  Her body

is slowly changing.  She may or may not have the signs/symptoms of

menopause,  but she should concern with a lack of calcium

uptake. Yes she is getting her calcuim from cheess,milk,and other diary

products.But the question is, Is she absorbing, and assimilating it in her

body?  Without fruits and vegetables that content vitamin-C, This process

of digestion is not occurring.  The calcuim will be lost.  What an all

protein diet.  I am not use what this lady's real purpose is for being on 

this diet, To built muscle, strength, or what.  High diet of red meat is

not healthy either.  Red meat can be a carcingenate and cause cancer.  The

way meat is being process today, all meat usually has some type of

preservative to prevent spoilage and a longer coounter life.  EXample,

Pork is dipped into silver nitrate as its preservative.   Reading over

some of the answers you are recieving I would take heed. these answers are

good replys  I will do some research for you at our medical libary. With

this lady History as we have  is limited, but she needs to be on a regular

diet of fruits and vegetables and moderation of meat in-take according to

the food pyramid.  The Lady system is out of balance and needs some

revision.  Advice her see her doctor and not be afraid to tell him what

she is doing.  Tests need to done to check her blood levels for proper

balances and also her thyroid, a long with the rest of her endocrine

system. Like to hear from you on this lady's progress. Lets help this lady

make some healthier choices for a longer life.  dee,concerned from Iowa.

           



On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, wl-ski wrote:



>  c> Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:31:58 -0500

>  c> Subject: All protein diet- Safe?

>  c> From: Diarmadh'reia <cej3@po.cwru.edu>

> 

> Hi...

> (First, let me say that I don't consider myself an 'expert' on

> much of anything... except that I've been around for over

> half a century, trying to pay attention...  :)

> 

>  c>     One of the women I work with is going on an all protein

>  c> diet in an effort to lose some weight she gained last year,

>  c> and she has some questions.

> 

> Don't we all   :)

> 

>  c>     1) The diet requires you to cut nearly all sugar, other

>  c> carbohydrates,and starch out of your diet so your body

>  c> is forced  to burn fat (go into ketosis).  Will cutting sugar

>  c> out of your diet like this cause any damage to your body-

>  c> specifically a heart attack?

> 

> Not if you are referring to *refined* sugar.  (Think of the

> thousands of years man lived *without* refined sugar & all

> the myriads of products made with it, that we think we just

> *have* to have!  My Mother-in-Law told me one time that it

> was a *requirement* that children have at least *one* candy

> bar each day, for energy!  I asked her what kids did *before*

> Snickers was invented!  She said, "They died!"  ... don't we

> all!  There was some humor intended  :)    At any rate, white

> sugar, as we know it, has only been around for a short time,

> (in the grand scheme of things,) and many of us would have

> far less to be troubled about, healthwise,  if our bodys didn't

> have to contend with it and it's affects  (sorry, Domino [et al]...

> just the truth, as I see it.   :)

> 

>  c>     2)  Does anyone know if a diet like this will actually work?

> 

> It doesn't for me.  My husband, however, did (when he was

> younger,)  have great results with this sort of diet.

> 

>  c>     3)  She's extremely tired and generally run down all the time

> now.

>  c> Is this normal- specifically- is it caused by 'sugar withdrawal'?

> 

> As I said at the beginning, I'm no expert.  But common sense

> suggests to me, that if this works as it is said to work, this

> wouldn't be the case.  (Isn't this the diet that is supposed to

> *force* your body to burn  (it's stored energy!).  This would

> seem, to me, a contradictory situation... unless your body, for

> some reason *wouldn't* give up it's stored energy...  I don't

> know about this.  Like I said, I would never consider myself

> an 'expert'.  (I'm sure you will hear from more than afew, tho...

> and some will be truly knowledgeable   :)

> 

>  c> FYI:  she's mid to late 40's, about 5'4", and weighs about 200

> pounds.

> 

> I hope she has already been seen by a physician (of any sort,

> but preferably one who is familiar with her and her normal

> condition), to rule out any reasons (hidden, or otherwise) that

> this situation might exist.  I say this because, if this is

> something that could be considered 'out of the ordinary' for her,

> it could be a signal that something is not as it should be.  (Not

> to launch into a big, long story, but   :)  when I was about her

> same age, I experienced an uncommon weight gain  (about 40#s

> in about as many days  :(  only to find out  (when I *finally*

> summoned the courage to go find out *why*!)  that  I had tumors,

> which had my whole endocrine system a wreck! (and several

> other conditions that served to help my body not perform as I

> was accustomed...It took more than afew years to get rid of that

> weight... and, tho the tumors are gone (no I didn't have surgery,

> as the medical community insisted was my "only option"),  I

> still wrestle with keeping weight off.  (But age brings it's own

> set of changes   :0  The bottom line as I see it is, please suggest

> that she see her diagnostician to rule out any condition she may

> not be aware of.  Saves time and 'wear and tear'  :) Then, go from

> there...

> 

>  c> If anyone could share any knowledge they happen to have

>  c> on this subject, it would be greatly appreciated.

> 

> That 's what I hope I've done, tho it's only personal knowledge...

> 

> BTW, the only thing of lasting quality, that  has been of any

> lasting value for me, has been:

> 1)  to limit my intake (I *don't* eat low fat/no fat exchanges if

> they have chemicals added to take fat's place!).

> 2)  I eat as naturally as I can.., (yes, even butter!) and

> 3)  increased exercise!

> 4)  I always try to, about 3hours, before I go to bed, eat an apple

> or a piece of citrus...  (I know I will meet with disagreement on

> *this*(!), but remember, I said in the beginning, this is what *I*

> do...   :)

> 5)  and do some kind of light exercise.  I like Callinetics or Yoga,

> because it doesn't get me all 'worked up' but, rather, is very

> calming, for a reasonable night's sleep.

> 6)  and I drink lots and lots of water (filtered!)

> 

> I am not the size 4 that I was before all this took place (I am only

> 5'), but at least I'm not starring a size 12 in the face!   <g>

> 

> (Another BTW,  :)  I tried low carb, high carb, low fat, no fat, high

> protein ...  you name it!  And, with each regimen, I tried to give

> more than a fighting chance ... my systems were just too messed

> up to achieve any degree of lasting note-worthiness from any.   I

> finally decided that I was going to have to go the 'old-fashioned

> way'...   <g> and walking/riding a bike does wonders for the

> metabolic 'burn'... even if one has to start out with only four

> steps... everything has to start some place.  It's difficult... I won't

> kid you.  But, to begin, one has to take that first step.

> (I wouldn't want to leave out, especially with this being the ng

> that it is, that I found several herbal 'helpers'.  I didn't address

> their use, however, (even with this being an herbal discussion!)

> as I believe that the *basics* are necessary, with or without

> additional help!  There *must* be a change in the dieter's daily

> habits!  *Nothing* (but problems,  :)  will last, without *change

> of habits*!

> 

> cheers,

> WL Sakowski

> 

> 

> 







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Subject: Re: All protein diet- Safe?

From: dragonmrsh@aol.com (DragonMrsh)

Date: 4 Mar 1998 06:46:08 GMT

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In article <34F50C5D.59540BEC@po.cwru.edu>, Diarmadh'reia <cej3@po.cwru.edu>

writes:



>1) The diet requires you to cut nearly all sugar, other

carbohydrates, and

>starch out of your diet so your body is forced  to

burn fat (go into

>ketosis).  Will cutting sugar out of your diet like

this cause any damage to

>your body- specifically a heart attack?

    

Been on this diet for several months in the 1970's. Even went so far as make

all those godawful deserts without sugar to satisfy the sweet craving. Yes, I

lost about 25 lbs in 3 months. Yes, I put it back within 6 months eating again.

 Yes, I was a royal bitch.



2 other interesting side effects--  My sugar sense was so strong I couldn't eat

sweet items after I went off it. One bite made me sick of bakery goods, and

candy. (good thing but it didn't last.)  The second was my teeth fell apart. 

Had about 15 cavities and a layer of plaque  that was so solid it took a week

of cleanings to dislodge. The dentist said it was caused by all the acids. I

probably didn't drink enough water and fluid to flush all the impurities.



It seemed like the thing to do at the time but I wouldn't recommend it now.



Mora

Dragonmarsh Apothecary







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Subject: Re: All protein diet- Safe?

From: "Chris and Teresa Chandler" <ralig@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:42:43 -0600

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Jean wrote in message <34fc5862.0@news1.ibm.net>...

>It has been my experience that any fad diet is successful only in the short

>term...and the backlashes are servere, depending on how long the diet is

>continued!!  A BALANCED diet and EXERCISE...even just walking around the

>block each day will make a better and healthier result and may create some

>new habits.  Fruits,veggies and milks and breads all have necessary

>components that build  and support the body...meat /protein is not a source

>of all these .... and depletion one  or many other of these as well could

>very well really strenuous on your bodily functions/system.   Be wise

>Balance and Exercise!  Jean







I think a good alternative to an ALL protein diet is The Zone.... read some

of the books by Barry Sears.  It is a very balanced diet, with lots of

veggies and protein... An all protein diet is NOT for everyone... Yes, it

does work for some to lose weight, but many people will not realistically

stay on a diet that cuts out all carbs completely.... just remember to stay

away from refined sugar and cut back on the amount of starches....  add a

balance of protein and fat, and I'd say you have a pretty balanced

program...  I don't think that this (low-carb) is just a fad, but I do think

that the current low-fat high starch programs will undermine anyone's will

to change their lifestyles... The basis of this book, and Protein Power by

Eades is monitoring the level of the hormone insulin in the body.... certain

foods "trigger" more insulin, while high levels of insulin make us store

more of our meals as fat.... These foods  are sugars and many of the starchy

foods, for example, bread, pasta, and potatoes.

They are both very informative, and I suggest everyone read them, because

many doctors are (especially in the case of doctors with Type II diabetes

patients).  I would advise your friend to read the Eades book and the Sears

book especially, to know how to adjust your meals so that you get the most

energy and benefit.... Remember, these books were not just written on how to

lose weight, but also to help sufferers of chronic disease.   If this is a

fad, it is the first I have seen to lower cholesterol, lower body fat,

increase energy all by a lifestyle change that you can really STAY on!  I

really think that you should investigate this on your own....





Teresa

ralig@worldnet.att.net









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Subject: Re: All protein diet- Safe?

From: "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net>

Date: 24 Mar 1998 22:19:30 GMT

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Heck no!!!



Esco Babatunde II

Institute of Afrikan Holistic Medicine and Science







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Subject: Re: All protein diet- Safe?

From: "jweekley" <jweekley@HIWAAY.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:13:33 -0600

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Maybe in the short run but why chance it. I have been working in the

fitness industry for 10 years and have seen many, many diets come and go. I

have yet to see a long term substitute for good ol' vegetables and yes,

moderate servings of lean proteins. Oh yes, good ol' aerobic exercise also

helps also.



Esco Babatunde II <worldco@earthlink.net> wrote in article

<01bd5773$390c39c0$d4af2399@worldco.earthlink.net>...

> Heck no!!!

> 

> Esco Babatunde II

> Institute of Afrikan Holistic Medicine and Science

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Late onset eczema 

From: guy@transcend.cablenet.co.uk (Guy)

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 20:02:56 GMT

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Claire Little <claire.little@NOSPAMmailexcite.com> wrote:



>Hi folks



>I just wondered if anyone had any suggestions for helping with my

>eczema. I am 23, have never had it before and there has never been any

>history of it in the family.



>It started about 2 months ago, just covering the sides of my fingers,

>and had now spread to the whole of the fingers on my right hand, but not

>the left. It doesn't itch or hurt, the skin just peels a lot.



>I'm reluctant to go down the steroid creams route, and would prefer to

>try an alternative remedy.



>Thanks in advance for any help



>Claire



I also got eczema on my hands in my early twenties.   I think you are

wise not to use steroid creams, as after using them, the skin on my

hands went rather hard, and is still not back to normal several years

later.  



What I found really helped was acupuncture, and colonic irrigation

(not everyone's "cup of tea", I admit).   I was also told to give up

eating wheat and several other foods- I won't bore you with the

details, but a good natural therapist or nutritionist should be able

to give you diet tips to suit your particular case.



I also use Bach flower remedies, which  help, (and Bach also do a

cream called Rescue Remedy Cream  which is soothing on the skin).  All

of these therapies are holistic in that they treat your overall

health, as opposed to a steroid cream which is supposed to deal only

with the symptom- bear in mind that the doctor who pescribed the

steroid cream told me that eczema was " incurable", and you have to

wait to "grow out of it"- not very reassuring once you're an adult! 



Finally, meditation has been a help for me in keeping stress levels

down, which is when eczema comes up.   I would recommend the books of

Barry Long, who is a very practical writer on that subject.



Hope this is some help- remember it is curable!!



Guy







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Subject: Re: Late onset eczema

From: **gabriel@twave.net** (Richard L. Gabriel)

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 21:11:44 GMT

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guy@transcend.cablenet.co.uk (Guy) wrote:



>Claire Little <claire.little@NOSPAMmailexcite.com> wrote:



>>Hi folks



>>I just wondered if anyone had any suggestions for helping with my

>>eczema. I am 23, have never had it before and there has never been any

>>history of it in the family.



>>It started about 2 months ago, just covering the sides of my fingers,

>>and had now spread to the whole of the fingers on my right hand, but not

>>the left. It doesn't itch or hurt, the skin just peels a lot.



>>I'm reluctant to go down the steroid creams route, and would prefer to

>>try an alternative remedy.



>>Thanks in advance for any help



>>Claire



>I also got eczema on my hands in my early twenties.   I think you are

>wise not to use steroid creams, as after using them, the skin on my

>hands went rather hard, and is still not back to normal several years

>later.  



>What I found really helped was acupuncture, and colonic irrigation

>(not everyone's "cup of tea", I admit).   I was also told to give up

>eating wheat and several other foods- I won't bore you with the

>details, but a good natural therapist or nutritionist should be able

>to give you diet tips to suit your particular case.



>I also use Bach flower remedies, which  help, (and Bach also do a

>cream called Rescue Remedy Cream  which is soothing on the skin).  All

>of these therapies are holistic in that they treat your overall

>health, as opposed to a steroid cream which is supposed to deal only

>with the symptom- bear in mind that the doctor who pescribed the

>steroid cream told me that eczema was " incurable", and you have to

>wait to "grow out of it"- not very reassuring once you're an adult! 



>Finally, meditation has been a help for me in keeping stress levels

>down, which is when eczema comes up.   I would recommend the books of

>Barry Long, who is a very practical writer on that subject.



>Hope this is some help- remember it is curable!!



>Guy



Hello Claire,

From the symptoms described (iching, flaking, irritation etc), I

suspect that I have re-occuring bouts with eczema also.  This lead me

to do a little searching on the net in addition to experimentation.

For me, drinking lots of water daily seemed to be benificial.  A

hydrogen peroxide wash also seemed to help the symptoms.  However I

believe that one of the basic causes may be related to insufficient

dietary intake of "essential fatty acids".  Particularily the Omega-3

Fatty acids found in seafood.  I found the article referenced below,

which recommends eating fish at least twice a week to be particularly

intresting.  This deficiency for me may have been related in part to

my efforts to minimize "saturated fats" where I may have reduced the

good kind also!



http://www.nfi.org/eatsfd2week.html



Good health!,   Richard

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Subject: Lichen Planus

From: ~ <a666l@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:08:09 -0500

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Hi, I have a lichen planus. Its a skin condition that causes small red

tinted bumps usually on the extremities. I would appreciate *any*

information on cures for this. There is nothing my normal doctor could

give me, And it is very embarrasing i want rid of it. please.





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Subject: Re: Lichen Planus

From: soma@dorsai.org (*selah*)

Date: 6 Mar 1998 06:32:46 GMT

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On Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:08:09 -0500, a666l@hotmail.com <a666l@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi, I have a lichen planus. Its a skin condition that causes small red

>tinted bumps usually on the extremities. I would appreciate *any*

>information on cures for this. There is nothing my normal doctor could

>give me, And it is very embarrasing i want rid of it. please.



I had lichens planus many years ago. The bumps would open up and become

darkened large patches. The doctor said there was no cure but that

cortisone shots could be used, but that cortisone would only help

temporarily and that it was dangerous. He said that the disease would

eventually spread on my body (he was a skin specialist.)



I got into nutrition and became a vegetarian as well as took mega doses of

vitamin c and pantothenic acid. I haven't had any trouble from the disease

since.







-- 

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Subject: Re: Lichen Planus

From: Dan Hollis <goemon@sasami.anime.net>

Date: 6 Mar 1998 20:01:18 GMT

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In misc.health.alternative *selah* <soma@dorsai.org> wrote:

: I got into nutrition and became a vegetarian as well as took mega doses of

: vitamin c and pantothenic acid. I haven't had any trouble from the disease

: since.



So you are saying vitamin c/pantothenic acid _cured_ you?



-Dan





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Subject: Re: Lichen Planus

From: soma@dorsai.org (*selah*)

Date: 6 Mar 1998 23:23:43 GMT

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On 6 Mar 1998 20:01:18 GMT, Dan Hollis <goemon@sasami.anime.net> wrote:

>In misc.health.alternative *selah* <soma@dorsai.org> wrote:

>: I got into nutrition and became a vegetarian as well as took mega doses of

>: vitamin c and pantothenic acid. I haven't had any trouble from the disease

>: since.

>

>So you are saying vitamin c/pantothenic acid _cured_ you?

>

>-Dan



I wouldn't say that that's what did it. I would say that it was probably

the main thing that did, but I became a vegetarian, cut out sugar, and did

a whole nutrition program, making sure that I got enough protein, (I'm a

lacto-ovo vegetarian), so I couldn't say that the ascorbate and

pantothenic was what did it. 



By the way, I will still get an occasional bump when under alot of stress,

but they always go away and don't erupt into a brown patch.



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Subject: Ramps (a root?)

From: "Shirley Farone" <twigs@bright.net>

Date: 3 Mar 1998 22:15:51 GMT

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About this time of year one thinks of ramps -  I never heard the term until

we moved to Ohio and heard folklores from West Virginia and Tennessee.  Not

sure I ever understood what they are/were, but it was some stinky root dug

up in the Springtime and used in a tonic.  Can anybody help me with more

details?  Thanks ever so much.

Shirley  twigs@bright.net





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Subject: Re: Ramps (a root?)

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 16 Mar 1998 11:53:42 GMT

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Hi there!---I just went on a medicinal plant walk w/ Dr. Tom Zennie and we

found tons of ramps------wild onions!!!!!! He has some useful info if you are

interested in the vitamin contant of herbs.Don't know his web page but just

punch in his name ----somrthing should come up!Happy ramping!





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Subject: Agent Orange-Detoxification

From: tworiverNS@mtnhome.com (Bob)

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:40:20 GMT

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I would like suggestions concern herbs that could possibably be use to

detoxify ones body from exposure to herbicides, particularly ones used

during the Viet Nam conflict.

   Beginning therapies to specifics would be helpful.





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Subject: Re: which herbs good for energy and relaxation

From: "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 16:57:17 -0600

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Many table foods have been depleted of many nutrients that were once were

in our soils.  Today, Most of our soils are recieving only

nitrogen,potassian, phosphrous.  What about calcium,

magnesium,magnesium,zinc, chromium and many others that are gone due to

over farming and crops taking out these others nutrients the plant and the

body need.  Even organic grown foods still do not have fields with these

essential nutrients if they have been depleted and not replaced back into 

the soil.  Studies are coming out that one can not truely get all the

necessary and essentials neede in three meals a day and if people are on

diets vitamins are essentials for calories and nutrient balance for a

person to be at optimal health.  Stay healthy.  thanks for you note.  talk

to later.  dee

 

On Fri, 27 Feb 1998, wl-ski wrote:



>  h> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:56:05 -0600

>  h> Subject: Re: which herbs good for energy and relaxation

>  h> To: Juli Kight <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us>

>  h> From: "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg"

> 

>  h> Make a tea out of catnip and red clover blossons.

> ***much very good info deleted, ***

> (some of which I agree, some of which I do not...  :)

> 

>  h> Vitamins may not be herbs but the are natural and good for

>  h> you.  Do your research and check it the complementary

>  h> benefits using herbs and vitamins together.

> 

> I am of the understanding (and opinion  :) that herbs are *food*

> and medicine, and are *full* of vitamins and minerals...

> especially in their *fresh* state!... just as our table foods are.

> 

> cheers,

> WL Sakowski

> 

> 

> 







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Subject: Re: which herbs good for energy and relaxation

From: olfactory@webtv.net (John M. Causbrook)

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:54:29 -0500

--------

In Aromatheraphy like in my E-Mail Address. Peppermint can get you going

and Lemonbalm can quiet you down, Besisides Lavender which has already

been Mentioned. Yor Breath in Essential olils, not take Pills Ugh!



Diabetics, Please visit my home page it 

will Improve your Life. I have Eye Opening

news about What Natural Products I use. When going to my site do not

leave any blank spaces to the URL.

http;//www.geocities.com/hotsprings/spa/8481/     

                                                 

                                                 As Always, 

                                                      John





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Subject: Re: which herbs good for energy and relaxation

From: christie29@webtv.net

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:45:45 -0500

--------

I love Royal Jelly.Gives nice energy and helps your adrenals cope with

stress!



she's like a cat in the dark,then she is the darkness.... >^-.-^<

                     





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Subject: What's the use?

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:17:38 -0800

--------

Could you please tell me what Grapeseed extract, pycnogenol, and green

tea are used for?  Also, I've read in another ng that Goldenseal can be

dangerous; is that so?  

I have sinus problems (congestion/there's no blowing this nose) and

would like input as to what would be good teas for me to buy (I'm not

into making my own preparations) or even what liquid herbal extracts I

could add to hot tea that would help? (loosen/thin the mucus, prevent

infections).  Thanks.



The mind is like a parachute...

it only functions when it's open.

June





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Subject: Re: What's the use?

From: mcbedo@dpnet.net

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 19:55:19 -0600

--------

Proanthocyanidins are flavonoids found in grape seeds.	They provide powerful

antioxidant protection against free radicals.  They help with the healthy

functioning of tissue and organs, healthy joints, and skin elasticity and

visual acuity.



One such product has been found to help in lowering cholesterol!



Rebecca

www.dixonnet.com.cdm/mcbedo.htm



In article <34FC8F91.487C@nep.net>,

  holliday@nep.net wrote:

>

> Could you please tell me what Grapeseed extract, pycnogenol, and green

> tea are used for?  Also, I've read in another ng that Goldenseal can be

> dangerous; is that so?





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Subject: Re: What's the use?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 5 Mar 1998 00:24:11 GMT

--------

In article <34FC8F91.487C@nep.net>, HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net> writes:



>I have sinus problems (congestion/there's no blowing this nose) and

>would like input as to what would be good teas for me to buy (I'm not

>into making my own preparations) or even what liquid herbal extracts I

>could add to hot tea that would help? (loosen/thin the mucus, prevent

>infections).  Thanks.



Gypsy Cold Care, which includes mint, works great for me. I also like to put a

little eculyptus essential oil in a hot bath and wallow.  The steam helps

loosen up the sinuses. Saline nasal sprays, available in most health food

stores, don't create the problems of commercial ones. Some people just mix a

little salt with water and "snort" it up their nose and then drain it out their

mouths.  You can get neti pots to do the same thing.  Try books like SINUS

SURVIVAL by Ivker for a longer, illustrated explanation of this.



Cutting dairy usually reduces mucus build-up.  The revised edition of the

Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine lists bromelain therapy as effective with

upper resipiratory tract infections.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Re: What's the use?

From: "Chris Woods" <chriswoods@easynet.co.uk>

Date: 5 Mar 1998 19:11:29 GMT

--------

Pycnogenol is a trade mark for a species of the pine tree. Its an

antioxidant and is the best free ranging radical known. Its good for cancer

patients, cell regeneration, protecting against arthritis and is

anti-inflammatory.

Green tea is thought to cool the liver. The Chinese suggest it if you are

too 'hot' and too 'damp, rather than cool and dry. Its good if you suffer

from bad skin or react to chilies or alcohol. Also good for digestion.



The best cure for sinus problems is beetroot juice. Either cook some fresh

beetroot or  use bottled juice. Warm up and snort up each nostrip with a

pipette. Try and do this 3 times a day for a week, then every other day for

a week, and then on odd days so that your sinus doesn't know when you are

taking it! Its disgusting but it really works.



HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net> wrote in article <34FC8F91.487C@nep.net>...

> Could you please tell me what Grapeseed extract, pycnogenol, and green

> tea are used for?  Also, I've read in another ng that Goldenseal can be

> dangerous; is that so?  

> I have sinus problems (congestion/there's no blowing this nose) and

> would like input as to what would be good teas for me to buy (I'm not

> into making my own preparations) or even what liquid herbal extracts I

> could add to hot tea that would help? (loosen/thin the mucus, prevent

> infections).  Thanks.

> 

> The mind is like a parachute...

> it only functions when it's open.

> June

> 





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Subject: Re: What's the use?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 14:10:58 -0500

--------

Fidget wrote in message <34FFA9B6.5669@warwick.net>...

>

>Hey June...don't know where you live.  I have often suggested a product

>called Alkalol.  Here in the Northeast I buy it at Wal-Mart. It seems to

>be a regional item but another poster said they had Wal-Mart special

>order it for them.  It costs less than $4 for a 16 oz bottle and you use

>it much in the same way as that beetroot juice.  I think Alkalol is more

>refreshing cause it contains Eucalyptus and other natural ingredients.

>It has made a world of difference for my nose!!

>{{{Hugs}}}

>Fidget



Fidget, I found a bottle of Alkalol at a local pharmacy after reading your

recommendation.  This stuff is great!  It's oak polllen season here in north

central Florida, and nothing seems to help (even ephedra), but I use a

little atomizer filled with this stuff - 3 or 4 squeezes up each nostril -

and the irritation and stuffiness disappear.  Thanks for the recommendation.

Don't know why I never saw this before (I'm the sort of person who wanders

around in drug stores reading ingredient labels, and I certainly would have

tried it, with all the herb oils and concentrates it contains).



Thanks again.



-RJO











==========

To: Fidget@warwick.net

Subject: Re: What's the use?

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 22:13:11 -0800

--------

Fidget,In the Northeast too, I hate winter...although I have allergies, pollen in

spring, mold in fall, the winter's here are the worst for my sinuses, let's pack

up and move south!

I don't irrigate yet, my mom swears she got a wicked ear infection from

irrigating...hopefully, it's all in the technique.  I do use nasal spray, Ocean,

so it's just saline, but I've heard that saline is drying.  Does Alkalol come in

a nasal spray bottle?  How do you use it?  Thanks



June



Fidget wrote:



>

>

> Hey June...don't know where you live.  I have often suggested a product

> called Alkalol.  Here in the Northeast I buy it at Wal-Mart. It seems to

> be a regional item but another poster said they had Wal-Mart special

> order it for them.  It costs less than $4 for a 16 oz bottle and you use

> it much in the same way as that beetroot juice.  I think Alkalol is more

> refreshing cause it contains Eucalyptus and other natural ingredients.

> It has made a world of difference for my nose!!

> {{{Hugs}}}

> Fidget











==========

Subject: Late onset eczema (?)

From: Claire Little <claire.little@NOSPAMmailexcite.com>

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:33:35 -0800

--------

Hi folks



I just wondered if anyone had any suggestions for helping with my

eczema. I am 23, have never had it before and there has never been any

history of it in the family.



It started about 2 months ago, just covering the sides of my fingers,

and had now spread to the whole of the fingers on my right hand, but not

the left. It doesn't itch or hurt, the skin just peels a lot.



I'm reluctant to go down the steroid creams route, and would prefer to

try an alternative remedy.



Thanks in advance for any help



Claire





==========

Subject: Re: Late onset eczema (?)

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 3 Mar 1998 19:10:21 GMT

--------

Evening primrose oil is said to eliminate eczema and then maintain

healthy skin.



An old, old, remedy I have read a couple of times says that if you eat

a chunk of raw potato, the size of a large egg, every day it will cure

eczema.  Sounds like a fable, but who knows, until you try it?



Delores



Claire Little <claire.little@NOSPAMmailexcite.com> wrote in article

<34FC934F.637F@NOSPAMmailexcite.com>...

> Hi folks

> 

> I just wondered if anyone had any suggestions for helping with my

> eczema. I am 23, have never had it before and there has never been

any

> history of it in the family.

> 

> It started about 2 months ago, just covering the sides of my fingers,

> and had now spread to the whole of the fingers on my right hand, but

not

> the left. It doesn't itch or hurt, the skin just peels a lot.

> 

> I'm reluctant to go down the steroid creams route, and would prefer

to

> try an alternative remedy.

> 

> Thanks in advance for any help

> 

> Claire

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Late onset eczema (?)

From: "Trish or Brodie" <waddell@bc1.com>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:05:00 -0800

--------

Is the evening primrose oil (for eczema) safe for eyelids and in ear folds?



Thanks, Trish



>Evening primrose oil is said to eliminate eczema and then maintain

>healthy skin.











==========

Subject: Re: Late onset eczema (?)

From: geraldine@clara.stockingnet

Date: Tue, 03 Mar 1998 22:40:40 GMT

--------

On Tue, 03 Mar 1998 15:33:35 -0800, Claire Little

<claire.little@NOSPAMmailexcite.com> wrote:



>Hi folks

>

>I just wondered if anyone had any suggestions for helping with my

>eczema. I am 23, have never had it before 

>

>It had now spread to the whole of the fingers on my right hand, but not

>the left. It doesn't itch or hurt, the skin just peels a lot.

>

>I'm reluctant to go down the steroid creams route, and would prefer to

>try an alternative remedy.



I also have late-onset eczema in varous places on my torso and like

you I was reluctant to keep using steroid creams, which in any case

don't work.



I have had wonderful results with teatree lotion.  It cleared up

really fast and does not come back, so long as I use it every day.



My husband has had mild eczema on his hands since he was a child and

about 11 years ago, discovered a cream called Kamillosan, which was

recommended to him when we were in Cyprus.  It turned out to be

manufactured here in the UK, but since it is basically an extract of

chamomile in a cream base, I imagine that you could buy something

similar in the U.S..



It didn't help my eczema, but it has kept his at bay for the last 11

years.



I hope that you find something that helps,



regards,



Geraldine

-- 

sometimes i sits & thinks and sometimes i just sits



Remove Clara's stocking to e-mail me





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Subject: Re: Late onset eczema (?)

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 3 Mar 1998 18:46:00 -0700

--------

Claire Little <claire.little@NOSPAMmailexcite.com> wrote:



>It started about 2 months ago, just covering the sides of my fingers,

>and had now spread to the whole of the fingers on my right hand, but not

>the left. It doesn't itch or hurt, the skin just peels a lot.



  It sounds like some sort of a "contact dermatitis" - you are

handling something that irritates your skin.

  Have you started a new job, bought a new ring, taken up a new

hobby, has your workplace started using a new product ... what

changed about 2 to 2 1/2 months ago.



  answer that and I'll be able to tell you what to do about it.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Late onset eczema (?)

From: jime@asu.ten (J. Ime)

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 05:32:05 GMT

--------

On 3 Mar 1998 18:46:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

wrote:



|Claire Little <claire.little@NOSPAMmailexcite.com> wrote:

|

|>It started about 2 months ago, just covering the sides of my fingers,

|>and had now spread to the whole of the fingers on my right hand, but not

|>the left. It doesn't itch or hurt, the skin just peels a lot.

|

|  It sounds like some sort of a "contact dermatitis" - you are

|handling something that irritates your skin.

|  Have you started a new job, bought a new ring, taken up a new

|hobby, has your workplace started using a new product ... what

|changed about 2 to 2 1/2 months ago.

|

|  answer that and I'll be able to tell you what to do about it.

|Callie



Callie's response sounds like something to consider.  I know some

nurses have a reaction to laytex gloves.



J. Ime  (Reverse domain *&* suffix letters to respond by e-mail)





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Subject: Re: Late onset eczema (?)

From: jj2350@aol.com (Jj2350)

Date: 5 Mar 1998 20:12:47 GMT

--------

Go to a local health food store where there is knowledgeable personnel. They

may have remedies in Homeopath, certain oils, and topical creams, Shark

Cartalidge may help in that it dries up the extra blood vessels that usually

cause eczema. Drinks lot of distilled water, only. Half your body weight in

ounces, e.g. 100 lbs. drink 50 oz. of Distilled water, etc. Good Luck, J. J.





==========

Subject: Re: Late onset eczema (?)

From: Claire Little <claire.little@NOSPAMmailexcite.com>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 08:46:18 -0800

--------

Jj2350 wrote:



<snip>

>  Drinks lot of distilled water, only. Half your body weight in

> ounces, e.g. 100 lbs. drink 50 oz. of Distilled water, etc. Good Luck, J. J.



Following on from this - am I allowed to mix the distilled water with

something - ie orange squash ? Because I've tried distilled water and

it's vile ! The water here in London is pretty bad, but not a patch on

pure H2O with all the minerals etc removed.



Claire





==========

Subject: Re: Saint John's wort and eye problems

From: "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 18:14:51 -0600

--------

Gary, My husband has dry eyes, especially after a lens transplants about 5

years ago.  He uses Eyebright.  you can get it at walmart or any pharmacy

that carries herbs.  He uses it daily.  It will take some time to see a

difference, about a month, just be patience.  Herbs take time to work in

the body, and are not a quick fits like drugs.  His tears ducts seem to

work just fine.  Since you have been to your doctor, he has check your

ducts or at least should.  Let us know how it works in about a month.  dee





On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Gary Ross wrote:



> Has anyone expereienced or familiar with eyedryness, irritation or 

> inflammation as a result of St. John's Wort use?  I have been experiencing eye 

> problems and have been using SJW on and off for 18 months (mostly on).  I 

> suspect it is coincidental, but who knows... I have been to opthamologists who 

> simply tell me I have dry eye and tell me to use artificial tears which do not 

> help.

> 

> gary

> 

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Neem Tea?

From: hemiola302@aol.com (HeMiola302)

Date: 4 Mar 1998 03:49:07 GMT

--------





Does anyone know what this does?  Is it good for anything... it doesn't have

the best taste!



Please Email me...



Zach





==========

Subject: Re: Neem Tea?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 03:49:39 GMT

--------



>Does anyone know what this does?  



Good antiseptic, reportedly effective against some 

parasites, fungi, bacteria, and even viruses.   It is also 

an excellent insecticide (and probably a decent fungicide) 

sprayed on plants, and the action

becomes systemic when it soaks in the soil.



> Is it good for anything... it doesn't have

>the best taste!



It tastes terrible!  One of the most bitter substances I know.

I would certainly take it in capsule form before tea,

especially since the capsules are recently widely available

in herb shops.



turf







==========

Subject: How Much Ginko Biloba??

From: suequill <suequill@pan-tex.net>

Date: 4 Mar 1998 04:58:30 GMT

--------

I have a friend that is on an anti-depressant that is a serotonin

up-take drug.  I don't know which one.  He is doing much better

since he started this drug.  Depression was long term and becoming

dangerous.  Apparently genetic as brother has same problem and has been

on same type med for a long time.  My friend is a newly wed and stated

today that he was going to go off the drug. I know what side effects

are and after I stated that it frequently affects people by diminishing

their interest sexually, he agreed that that was the problem

and was affecting his marriage.  Wife not real understanding and thinks

she is doing something wrong.



Last week I ran across something on the net about ginko biloba helping

people with this side effect.  I suggested he try it, but have no

idea how much he should be taking.   He also mentioned that it was

affecting his memory as well.  I thought that was interesting because

I didn't know that was a side effect and I do know that the ginkgo

is used to help memory.  If anyone has an idea, please e-mail me as

well as put it on the list if you don't mind.  This is a dangerous

situation as he definitely shouldn't come off the med. due to the

fact that he was becoming very suicidal.  If he does, I'm afraid his

wife may become a widow.



Thanks,



Susie





==========

Subject: Re: recipes for rose beads and beads made of herbs or spices

From: suequill <suequill@pan-tex.net>

Date: 4 Mar 1998 05:04:47 GMT

--------

Casler wrote:

> 

> There is a recipe for Rose Petal Beads in the February Jewelry Crafts

> magazine.

> 

> They also have a web site at: http://www.JewelryCrafts.com/

> 

> Lisa in Alaska

> 

> Sharon R. Saroff wrote in message <34f4b9ff.20980989@enews.newsguy.com>...

> >I have found information of the existance of beads made from rose

> >petals and spices. Does anyone have any recipes and historical

> >documentation.

> >

> >THanks,

> >

> >SHaron



I bought a rosary in which the beads are made out of rose petals when I

was in Israel two years ago.  It is lovely.  The fragrace is so strong

that if I leave it out of its box, it will add fragrance to a whole

drawer.  I think it is one of the best presents that I ever gave my

mother.  



Susie



Susie





==========

Subject: Re: recipes for rose beads and beads made of herbs or spices

From: "Casler" <casler@concentric.net>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 12:44:03 -0900

--------

Rose Beads



Materials:



1/2 Cup torn rose petals ( any color ) packed fairly well ( 20 to 24 roses

yield 1/2 cup )

Mixing Bowl

Measuring Spoons

1/4 tsp. powdered orris root

1/4 tsp. arabic gum

Glass Double Boiler ( a glass bowl that fits over a saucepan also works )

Rose Essential Oil

Wooden Spoon

Jar or small covered container ( for storing glaze )

Waxed paper

Straight Pins

Sewing needle

Thread ( black or burgundy )

Jewelry Fasteners

Additional Beads



Instructions:



1> to make the dough, remove the hard white ends from the base of each

petal. Tear petals in small pieces and pack in a measuring cup. Pour a 1/2

cup torn petals in mixing bowl. Add powdered orris and gum. Mix well with

fingers. Transfer mixture to double boiler. Add 2 tsp. of water and 3-4

drops rose oil. Cook mixture over medium heat for 25-30 mins stirring

occasionally until it is pulpy. Remove from heat and add 1 tsp. water and

3-4 drops of rose oil. When cool enough to handle, squeeze dough to wring

out excess moisture and reserve "glaze" for later use.



2> To make beads put  a few drops of rose oil in your hands and rub them

together. Pinch off a small amount of dough ( a little larger than you want

the bead to be ) and roll into a ball. Lay ball on a piece of wax paper to

dry. Repeat until all the dough has been made into beads. ( make 20 - 24

marble sized beads ) After 24 hours push a pin through the center, let pins

remain in beads and continue drying. Allow beads to dry for another 24

hours. Beads will darken as they dry.



3>To glaze beads use reserved "glaze" from cooking process. Hold each bead

by it's straight pin and dip into glaze to coat. Allow to dry about 2-3

hours, then ( still keeping pins in head ) rub with rose oil for extra

protection against moisture before stringing.



4> String beads.



You can rejuvenate beads as necessary as needed by rubbing with a few drops

of rose oil.







vocal wrote in message <34FE1C1A.2E451A37@mint.net>...

>Could someone please re-post the rose bead recipes. I thought I flagged

them,

>but, they seem to be lost now. Thank you in advance for paying attention.

Peace,

>Kim

>

>suequill wrote:











==========

Subject: Fibroids, Uterine

From: "D. Simon" <dsimon@pop.interaccess.com>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 01:44:14 -0600

--------

Has anyone had any luck with alternative treatments for uterine fibroid

tumors? I'm trying to avoid hysterectomy.



If you've tried another way, please tell me what you did and how long it

took. 



Thank-you so much for any information. 





========================================================================

Debra and David Simon  

dsimon@interaccess.com



	"We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."

				  --Thomas Alva Edison





==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 4 Mar 98 14:18:20 GMT

--------

D. Simon <dsimon@pop.interaccess.com> wrote:

>Has anyone had any luck with alternative treatments for uterine fibroid

>tumors? I'm trying to avoid hysterectomy.

>

>If you've tried another way, please tell me what you did and how long it

>took. 



The most effective thing I did was to quit caffeine (taper off, as

quitting cold turkey can cause monster headaches).



I had a fibroidectomy to remove several massive fibroids, rather than

hysterectomy, because I was planning to have children.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:07:44 -0900

--------

This is the protocol I give to clients of mine for fibroids. Yes, it works, but you have to follow it. It can be hard to make diet and nutritional changes.



Follow a low fat, fresh foods vegetarian diet (about 50-60% fresh foods) to

rebalance gland functions and relieve symptoms. High fats mean imbalanced

estrogen levels--a clear cause of fibroids. Obesity from a high fat diet

also increases risk.

Avoid caffeine and caffeine containing foods, such as chocolate. Avoid

cooked spinach, rhubarb, and carbonated sodas.

Avoid hormone-laden red meats, hard alcohol and refined sugars that can

cause iodine deficiency.

Avoid concentrated starches, full fat dairy products, and hard liquor.

Avoid fried, sugary, and salty foods, especially smoked or preserved meats

during menses.

Get adequate high quality protein daily (about 60-70 grams) from largely

vegetable sources to avoid saturated fats: whole grains, sprouts, tofu and

soy foods, sea foods, low fat dairy and poultry.

Increase intake of B vitamin-rich foods, such as brown rice, wheat germ and

wheat germ oil (4 teasp. daily) and brewer's yeast.

Add miso, sea vegetables, and leafy greens to alkalize and neutralize

toxins. Eat diuretic foods--cucumber and watermelon to flush them out.

Have fresh apple or carrot juice every day during healing.

Herbal therapy--Use evening primrose oil and milk thistle.

Beware of straight dong quai extract--it may increase bleeding.

Use cramp bark extract for pain. Or ginger baths work great for pain.

Hope that helps out.



Kay

 

  

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: gisclair@sprintmail.com (John Gisclair)

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 21:00:32 -0600

--------

In article <34FD064E.317F@pop.interaccess.com>, dsimon@interaccess.com wrote:



> Has anyone had any luck with alternative treatments for uterine fibroid

> tumors? I'm trying to avoid hysterectomy.

> 

> If you've tried another way, please tell me what you did and how long it

> took. 

> 

> Thank-you so much for any information. 

> 

> 

> ========================================================================

> Debra and David Simon  

> dsimon@interaccess.com

> 

>         "We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."

>                                   --Thomas Alva Edison





Funny you mention that.  While researching a possible reason for my inability

to lose my weight gained by pregnacny, I found a few websites pertaining 

to 'natural progesterone".  I've never tried it, though I am considering it.

How this relates to you?



Well, I remember reading letters from people who claimed it helped shrink 

uterine fibroid tumors...it balances out an overproduction of what they

call "estrogen dominance".



Well, I will post you a bit from one of the website.  Read until you get to 

TESTIMONIALS.  I don't know if it works, but they have books pertaining to this

listed.  I would check them out!! 

And please let me know if it works for you! 

Best of luck.



For websites....use your search engine with "progesterone". And you will find a 

few out there.







We are sure that many of you have heard about

"Progesterone." It's a natural hormone that occurs in the

body. Most of you however, do not have enough of it in

your bodies, and are deficient (at any adult age). You are

well versed on the other hormone, Estrogen, both naturally

occurring, and the unfortunate overuse in taking the

synthetic/artificial types of Estrogen associated with drugs.

We hope all of you are aware of the "Estrogen Dominance"

being pushed by most medical doctors. Scientific studies

concluded that this dominance can cause breast cancer, and

many other serious ailments. Please remember this if you

use an Estrogen cream that claims it's for breast

enlargement.



We are all aware that some synthetic/artificial drugs are not

good for you. Too many harmful side-effects, adverse

reactions, and contraindications. 



What is good for you, is the natural version of

Progesterone, which is derived from "Wild Yam Cream." 



What does the taking of Natural Progesterone do for you?

Listed below are just some of the benefits that women have

reported. All of which, without any reported side-effects.

M/W= Applies to men & women.



1. Breast enlargement for the underendowed. Those who

never fully developed can achieve enlargement, naturally.

For those of you that developed, but want more

enlargement, please read this link: Bustier



2. From fewer wrinkles, to NO Wrinkles. Some have

reported that after prolonged use (1 to 4 yrs), they are

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look many years younger. M/W



3. Higher energy levels are achieved. M/W



4. Lowered cases of insomnia. Much better sleep. M/W



5. Better brain function. M/W



6. Better overall skin texture and tone. M/W



7. Reduces osteoporosis. Bone density increases after one

year of use, and increased densities thereafter. M/W



8. Less weight gain, fatigue, bloating, swelling of breasts,

backache during menstrual periods are typically reported,

and improve after 3-4 weeks. Symptoms disappear

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9. Hair stops falling out, thus, hair thickens. M/W



10. Regrowth of scalp hair. M/W



11. Eases or eliminates symptoms of PMS and menopause.



12. Protects you against certain types of cancer, notably

breast cancer and endometrial cancer. Stops uterine cancer

cells from multiplying. 



13. Normalizes your libido. For MEN only. 



14. Improves your cholesterol levels (also raises HDL

levels, "good cholesterol"). M/W



15. Prevents miscarriages.



16. Regulates blood pressure. M/W



17. Relieves cramping.



18. Depression: Natural antidepressant. M/W



19. Acne: Aids in skin disorders.



20. Normalizes your periods.



21. Migraine headaches: Restores oxygen to your brain

cells.



22. Plus many more benefits too numerous to mention.



How long does it take before you notice the difference?

About 3 to 4 months. You simply apply the cream over

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the upper chest, abdomen, behind the knees, insides of

wrists, face, etc. on a rotational basis. Also, some have

reported excellent results when applied to the fatty areas of

their bodies, such as the breasts, hips, thighs, etc.



It is very important that you use the proper dosage of

natural progesterone, not too little (ineffective) or too much

(also ineffective, and can overwhelm your hormone

receptors). Our cream has the proper amount as

recommended by Dr. John R. Lee, Raquel Martin, and Dr.

Zava. Also, the use of oils in progesterone creams prevent

absorption into your body. Our cream does not contain any

of those types of oils. 



More information can be learned about natural progesterone

through reading various books on the subject. Listed below

are some of the books, and studies we have reviewed.



Dr. John R. Lee, "Natural Progesterone: The Multiple

Roles of a Remarkable Hormone."



Dr. John R. Lee, "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You

About Menopause." pp. 80-93, Chapter 7. 



Raquel Martin with Dr. Judi Gerstung and research by John

R. Lee, M.D., "The Estrogen Alternative" Natural

Hormone Therapy with Botanical Progesterone.



James A. Duke, Ph.D., "The Green Pharmacy." pp. 87-89

"Breast Enlargement." 



Susan M. Love, M.D., "Dr. Susan Love's Breast Book" and

"Dr. Susan Love's Hormone Book."



David Hoffman, "The Complete Illustrated Holistic Herbal"

pp. 164 "Chaste Tree."



"The PEPI trial." A federally funded 3 year, randomized,

double-blind study in 1995, costing 22 million dollars to

examine the effects of sex hormones on cholesterol, HDL

cholesterol, and endometrium. It showed that by taking

estrogen alone, one third of the women had developed

precancerous changes. Whereas, the women who took

natural progesterone with estrogen, were protected from

this cancerous side-effect. Further, these same women had

reduced levels of cholesterol, and raised levels of

HDL-cholesterol.







     PLEASE READ THE FOLLOWING TESTIMONIALS







P. Kennedy, Fresno, CA - Thanks to Wild Yam Cream, I no longer am

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K. Kirksey, Highland Village, TX - I can sleep all night now. The alarm

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M. Settle, Argyle, TX - I am finally losing weight in the hips and tummy.

Also, I am having fewer carbohydrate cravings. I love how it feels on my

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S. Vanleeuwen, West Hills, CA - I can think more clearly. My hot flashes

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S. Prue, Highland Village, TX - About six months ago, I started having

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V. Thompson, Newport Beach, CA - My husband and I are having more

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C. Wilson, Fresno, CA - The Wild Yam Cream has really regulated my

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B. Dillon, Fresno, CA - I had terrible PMS and irregular cycles. Now, I

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T. Winchester, Dallas, TX - My PMS symptoms are gone. Cycle related

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B. Schwartz, Issaquah, WA - Wild Yam Cream has made such an impact

on my life. The hot flashes have stopped. I'm off of the Premarin and

Provera that has ruled my life. Every woman needs to learn about this

incredible product. I thank God for Wild Yam Cream.





==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: gisclair@sprintmail.com (John Gisclair)

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:21:22 -0600

--------

In article <34FD064E.317F@pop.interaccess.com>, dsimon@interaccess.com wrote:



> Has anyone had any luck with alternative treatments for uterine fibroid

> tumors? I'm trying to avoid hysterectomy.

> 

> If you've tried another way, please tell me what you did and how long it

> took. 

> 

> Thank-you so much for any information. 

> 

> 

> ========================================================================

> Debra and David Simon  

> dsimon@interaccess.com

> 

>         "We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."

>                                   --Thomas Alva Edison





 Hi again....I found this on a webpage....EXCELLENT site. You might ask your

doctor.  It is a series of info from Endoctrine Society meeting in 1997.

The website is www.medscape.com

Tons of info on everything.  It is a medical related site....filled to the 

brim with info.  Best I have come across.



Nonsurgical Treatment for Fibroids



 Antiestrogens have been suggested as a potentially effective treatment

for uterine leiomyomas

 -- the most common gynecological tumor in women. Cheryl Walker, PhD, of

the University

 of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, reported on a study

showing that two

 different antiestrogens, taxomifen and LY326315, are very effective at

eliminating and

 preventing uterine fibroids.



 Because more than 250,000 hysterectomies are performed each year to treat

women with

 fibroids, the discovery of an effective drug therapy for these tumors is

an especially important

 development in women's health. Dr. Walker's research also indicates that

some environmental

 pollutants and natural compounds may mimic estrogens in the body, with a

potential to

 promote the growth of fibroids.





==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: Elizwil@dingley.net

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:22:09 -0600

--------

In article <gisclair-0503981221220001@sdn-ts-014txfworp10.dialsprint.net>,

  gisclair@sprintmail.com (John Gisclair) wrote:

>

> In article <34FD064E.317F@pop.interaccess.com>, dsimon@interaccess.com

wrote:

>

> > Has anyone had any luck with alternative treatments for uterine fibroid

> > tumors? I'm trying to avoid hysterectomy.

> >

> > If you've tried another way, please tell me what you did and how long it

> > took.

> >

> > Thank-you so much for any information.

> >

> >

Hi there,

   In alternative therapies, the most successful way to treat fibroids in my

professional experience is with homeopathics.  It stops the bleeding within

days and the fibroid, depending on its size will disappear within a month to 6

months.  You really need to see a reputable homeopath though rather than

self-treat.  There are other things that need to be looked at during

treatment.

Good luck,

Liz

N.D. Dip. Hom.

> > ========================================================================

> > Debra and David Simon

> > dsimon@interaccess.com

> >

> >         "We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."

> >                                   --Thomas Alva Edison

>

>  Hi again....I found this on a webpage....EXCELLENT site. You might ask your

> doctor.  It is a series of info from Endoctrine Society meeting in 1997.

> The website is www.medscape.com

> Tons of info on everything.  It is a medical related site....filled to the

> brim with info.  Best I have come across.

>

> Nonsurgical Treatment for Fibroids

>

>  Antiestrogens have been suggested as a potentially effective treatment

> for uterine leiomyomas

>  -- the most common gynecological tumor in women. Cheryl Walker, PhD, of

> the University

>  of Texas M. D. Anderson Cancer Center, Houston, reported on a study

> showing that two

>  different antiestrogens, taxomifen and LY326315, are very effective at

> eliminating and

>  preventing uterine fibroids.

>

>  Because more than 250,000 hysterectomies are performed each year to treat

> women with

>  fibroids, the discovery of an effective drug therapy for these tumors is

> an especially important

>  development in women's health. Dr. Walker's research also indicates that

> some environmental

>  pollutants and natural compounds may mimic estrogens in the body, with a

> potential to

>  promote the growth of fibroids.

>





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Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: Aaron Andrew Fox <aaf19@columbia.edu>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 00:00:39 -0500

--------

On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 Elizwil@dingley.net wrote:



> In article <gisclair-0503981221220001@sdn-ts-014txfworp10.dialsprint.net>,

>   gisclair@sprintmail.com (John Gisclair) wrote:

> >

> > In article <34FD064E.317F@pop.interaccess.com>, dsimon@interaccess.com

> wrote:

> >

> > > Has anyone had any luck with alternative treatments for uterine fibroid

> > > tumors? I'm trying to avoid hysterectomy.

> > >

> > > If you've tried another way, please tell me what you did and how long it

> > > took.

> > >

> > > Thank-you so much for any information.

> > >

> > >

> Hi there,

>    In alternative therapies, the most successful way to treat fibroids in my

> professional experience is with homeopathics.  It stops the bleeding within

> days and the fibroid, depending on its size will disappear within a month to 6

> months.  You really need to see a reputable homeopath though rather than

> self-treat.  There are other things that need to be looked at during

> treatment.

> Good luck,

> Liz

> N.D. Dip. Hom.





I see Liz is  back to claiming to have a Naturopathic Doctorate, although

she has admitted previously to having no such credential.  Liz, did you

think I had stopped reading the group and that it was therefore safe to

return to playing doctor by restoring the "N.D." in your .sig file? (You

had dropped it for a while even though you never directly answered my

assertion that it was bogus.)  







AF







==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: Elizwil@dingley.net

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 18:43:58 -0600

--------

Why hello there zealot!

It must be a case of the quick and the dead - I DID reply to your query

regarding my credentials and also asked for yours!  You must have been asleep

when I wrote them down for you, or you weren't zealous enough to look for

the Post.

   To reiterate, just for you, the "D" after the "N", as in other such titles,

stands for Diploma.  I trained as a nurse before entering the profession of of

Naturopathy, Nutrition, Massage, and Homeopathy.  I have over 17 diplomas and

certificates from all over the world and am currently doing a course in

Bachelor of Natural Science at the University of Victoria.  I have just

completed a four year course in Classical Homeopathy last year.  I have

literally been studying for twenty solid years.  Have you got any training at

all in either orthodox medicine or natural medicine?  If you have then it is

fortunate that you are in this Newsgroup so that the readers can know who you

are and avoid you.

   Oh and by the way, if you are a medico or claim to know as much as one, do

you also remember the Hippocratic Oath and its reference to the ART of

medicine.  Perhaps you should review it sometime.  The translation by Ludwig

Edelstein is very enllightening and should prove interesting reading for you.



   I wonder if you are a Scorpio or a Virgo.  Both signs like to criticise and

dig deep, and are also related to the field of medicine.  Please don'e tell

me, I would rather die guessing.   Much more fun!  I find it helps to know

your patients' signs too, as each sign seems to show certain disease traits.

Don't you think?



Liz.  [Now you know my credentials, I won't waste the time putting them in

after my name for you.]





In article <Pine.GSO.3.95L.980306235319.18632A-100000@aloha.cc.columbia.edu>,

  Aaron Andrew Fox <aaf19@columbia.edu> wrote:

>

> On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 Elizwil@dingley.net wrote:

>

> > In article <gisclair-0503981221220001@sdn-ts-014txfworp10.dialsprint.net>,

> >   gisclair@sprintmail.com (John Gisclair) wrote:

> > >

> > > In article <34FD064E.317F@pop.interaccess.com>, dsimon@interaccess.com

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > > Has anyone had any luck with alternative treatments for uterine

fibroid

> > > > tumors? I'm trying to avoid hysterectomy.

> > > >

> > > > If you've tried another way, please tell me what you did and how long

it

> > > > took.

> > > >

> > > > Thank-you so much for any information.

> > > >

> > > >

> > Hi there,

> >    In alternative therapies, the most successful way to treat fibroids in

my

> > professional experience is with homeopathics.  It stops the bleeding

within

> > days and the fibroid, depending on its size will disappear within a month

to 6

> > months.  You really need to see a reputable homeopath though rather than

> > self-treat.  There are other things that need to be looked at during

> > treatment.

> > Good luck,

> > Liz

> > N.D. Dip. Hom.

>

> I see Liz is  back to claiming to have a Naturopathic Doctorate, although

> she has admitted previously to having no such credential.  Liz, did you

> think I had stopped reading the group and that it was therefore safe to

> return to playing doctor by restoring the "N.D." in your .sig file? (You

> had dropped it for a while even though you never directly answered my

> assertion that it was bogus.)

>

> AF

>

>





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Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: Rex Harrill <brixman@erols.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 22:59:38 -0500

--------

Elizwil@dingley.net wrote:



> remember the Hippocratic Oath and its reference to the ART of

> medicine.  Perhaps you should review it sometime.  The translation by Ludwig

> Edelstein is very enlightening and should prove interesting reading for you.



As long as we're going to dust off Hippocrates, and as long as we have highly

qualified medical professionals here to render interpretations, I would appreciate

answers to a few nagging questions.



[#4 and #5 from a website ( http://www.sequel.net/~twilight/oath2.htm )



"4. I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody if asked for it, nor will I

make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an

abortive remedy. In purity and holiness I will guard my life and my art."



Do state licensing procedures require doctors to take the oath, or is it

voluntary?  Do abortion doctors and such as Jack Dvorkian have to publicly

renounce their Hippocratic oath once they begin to practice their dark arts?  And,

does the medical community shun and/or ostracize their violating brethern by

"guarding their art"?





"5. I will not use the knife, not even on sufferers from stone, but will

withdraw in favor of such men as are engaged in this work."



I was aware that physicians are not surgeons, because they are separate in the

phone book, but how can they both be MD's?  And, of course, do surgeons take the

Hippocratic oath?  For instance, my family physician is quick to grab a scapel

when there's a boil to lance.  Is he violating in some way?  His theory is that

he's saving his clients from surgeon's bills by doing minor surgery in the office,

but I would appreciate a second opinion on the newsgroup.



Thanks for any help,

Rex Harrill







==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: laadedah@aol.com (LaaDeDah)

Date: 9 Mar 1998 15:55:15 GMT

--------

There is no approved designation of ND within the nursing community to my

knowledge, if you have completed a school of professional nursing you are

allowed to use the intials GN (graduate nurse), if you have passed the registry

boards you can use the title RN (registered nurse). Theres LPN,LVN and some

other letters,but ND is not an approved designation to my knowledge. Now I

certainly realize that some other states may use that abbreviation, and I'm not

aware of it, so please let me know what licensing organization designates with

that term so I can learn something new. THanks.

LauraA





==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: Aaron Andrew Fox <aaf19@columbia.edu>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:34:59 -0500

--------

On Sun, 8 Mar 1998 Elizwil@dingley.net wrote:



>    To reiterate, just for you, the "D" after the "N", as in other such titles,

> stands for Diploma.  I trained as a nurse before entering the profession of of

> Naturopathy, Nutrition, Massage, and Homeopathy.  I have over 17 diplomas and

> certificates from all over the world and am currently doing a course in

> Bachelor of Natural Science at the University of Victoria.  I have just

> completed a four year course in Classical Homeopathy last year.  I have

> literally been studying for twenty solid years.  Have you got any training at



<snip> 

Liz, N.D., dip. hom.



Here are the *pre-requisites* for the FOUR YEAR program in naturopathy

leading to the N.D.  at Bastyr University, Seattle, WA, USA, one of the

leading naturopathic for institutions in the world.  Liz, you don't even

have these pre-requisites in hand.  Notice how this program does not

reject "orthodox" science as a perspective on the human body, at all!



AF





Naturopathic Medicine Program



This rigorous four-year professional program prepares students to practice

as naturopathic physicians. Basic medical science and clinical

diagnostic skills are taught during the first two years. The core

naturopathic curriculum includes instruction in nutritional sciences,

counseling, botanical medicine, homeopathy, Oriental medicine, childbirth,

physiotherapy, naturopathic manipulation, minor surgery and

other medical procedures. Advanced training in midwifery and traditional

Chinese herbal medicine is also available. Students receive

clinical training through supervised practice at the University's

outpatient clinic and through externships in the offices of practicing

physicians. 



Prerequisites



Overall requirements include a bachelor's degree or completion of at least

135/90 quarter/semester credits (45/30 of which must be

upper-division) and significant life experience. Minimum GPA requirement

is 2.5; all prerequisite courses must be completed with a "C"

or better. 



       One course college-level algebra or pre-calculus

       Content must include polynomial functions, exponential functions,

logarithmic functions.



       One course statistics

       Content must include basic and inferential statistics, probability.



       Two courses general chemistry with labs, for science majors.



       Two courses organic chemistry with labs, for science majors.



       One academic year general biology or combination of courses to

include cell and molecular biology,

       genetics, botany, taxonomy with labs, for science majors.



       One course physics

       No lab required, non-calculus based, one all-inclusive introductory

or survey course. If course is part of a series, series must be

       completed.



       Two courses psychology

       Suggested: one introductory, one developmental.



       Two courses English

       Suggested: composition. & literature courses



       Two courses humanities

       Examples include public speaking, foreign language, music, art,

philosophy, religion. 















==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: Aaron Andrew Fox <aaf19@columbia.edu>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:03:40 GMT

--------





On Sun, 8 Mar 1998 Elizwil@dingley.net wrote:



>    To reiterate, just for you, the "D" after the "N", as in other such titles,

> stands for Diploma.  I trained as a nurse before entering the profession of of

> Naturopathy, Nutrition, Massage, and Homeopathy.  I have over 17 diplomas and

> certificates from all over the world and am currently doing a course in

> Bachelor of Natural Science at the University of Victoria.  I have just

> completed a four year course in Classical Homeopathy last year.  I have

> literally been studying for twenty solid years.  Have you got any training at







Funny thing, Liz.  the Council on Naturopathic Medical Education considers

the initials "N.D." to signify a doctorate in naturopathy too.  (for more

see: http://www.cnme.org).



Remember, alts., that these institutions (e.g., Bastyr, CNME) are the

*friends* of your cause in mainstream circles. They are not part of the

"biomedical conspiracy" so many of you seem to believe in, but instead

advocate the professionalization of natural and alternative medicine so

that the quackery quotient is diminished and your cause finally gets some

respect, which it probably deserves.



AF





   Welcome. We are the organization recognized by the U.S. Secretary of

Education as the national accrediting agency for programs leading to the

Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine (N.D. or N.M.D.) degree. The purpose of

the Secretary's recognition process is to ensure that accrediting agencies

are reliable authorities as to the quality of education and training

offered by the colleges and programs they accredit. 



   Our agency's principal purpose is to ensure the high quality of 

naturopathic medical education in the United States and Canada through the

voluntary accreditation process. Our grant of accreditation indicates

we believe a college or program warrants the confidence of the general  

public, the educational community, and public agencies. Accreditation or

candidacy is a requirement in enabling U.S. colleges of naturopathic 

medicine to participate in federal student loan programs. 

 



          Ruth Adele, N.D.

          Colorado Springs, Colorado

          Profession Member. Term expires fall 2000. 



          Randall Bradley, N.D.

          Omaha, Nebraska

          Profession Member. Term expires spring 1999. 



          Rosanne Demanski, N.D.

          West Hartford, Connecticut

          Profession Member. Term expires fall 1999. 



          Shirley B. Gordon, Ph.D.

          President Emeritus, Highline Community College

          Seattle, Washington

          Public Member. Term expires fall 1999. 



          Eric Jones, N.D.

          Bastyr University

          Bothell, Washington

          Institutional Member Representative. 



          Guru Sandesh Singh Khalsa, N.D.

          Dean of Academic Affairs

          National College of Naturopathic Medicine

          Portland, Oregon

          Institutional Member Representative. 



          N. Edd Miller, Ph.D.

          President Emeritus

          University of Nevada, Reno

          Reno, Nevada

          Public Member. Term Expires fall 2000 



          Kareen O'Brien, N.D.

          Academic Dean

          Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine

              & Health Sciences

          Tempe, Arizona

          Institutional Member Representative. 



          Keith Pailthorp, Ph.D.

          North American Education Research

          Portland, Oregon

          Public Member. Term expires fall 1998. 



          Carl Phillips, N.D., D.C.

          Courtenay, British Columbia

          Profession Member. Term expires fall 2000. 



          Cory P. Ross, D.C.

          Vice President-Academic

          The Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine

          Toronto, Ontario

          Institutional Member Representative. 



          Donald Warren, N.D.

          Gloucester, Ontario

          Profession Member. Term expires spring 1999 



          Joseph Wessels, N.D.

          Bellingham, Washington

          Profession Member. Term expires fall 2000. 



.





==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: Cmy@sig.4address (Lee)

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 02:20:40 GMT

--------

On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 01:44:14 -0600, "D. Simon"

<dsimon@pop.interaccess.com> wrote:



-=>Has anyone had any luck with alternative treatments for uterine fibroid

-=>tumors? I'm trying to avoid hysterectomy.

-=>

-=>If you've tried another way, please tell me what you did and how long it

-=>took. 

-=>

-=>Thank-you so much for any information. 

-

A few years back I had my yearly pap and my doctor told me that I had

fibroids.  He had be scheduled for surgery.  But after I went home I

remembered that I had had the same problem about 10 years earlier.

The doctor then told me to go off ALL caffeine and to take 400 IU of

Vitamin E a day.  I canceled the surgery and quit all caffeine and

started the Vitamin E.  Within a two months I was checked again and

the tumor had all but vanished.



Victoria "Lee"

haxton@scican.net





==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: Cairis <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 19:45:58 -0500

--------

> Has anyone had any luck with alternative treatments for uterine

>fibroid

> tumors? I'm trying to avoid hysterectomy.



I don't know about uterine fibriods specifically, but I was diagnosed

with endometriosis last year and have been treating that naturally to

avoid HRT and a lap.  I know I have ovarian cysts which they detected

with an ultrasound, but I don't know about the extent of the rest of it

because I won't let them do surgery.



I can email you with what I've been taking (which is fairly extensive)

but seems to be working.  Actually, after you get used to incorporating

all the changes into your lifestyle it's not hard to keep up with.



Cairis









==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine

From: baudlady@aol.com (Baudlady)

Date: 17 Mar 1998 03:14:47 GMT

--------

Have your progesterone level checked.  Low or no levels leads to a condition

called estrogen dominance, which may cause fibroids.  Your level is lowest on

day 12 of your menstrual cycle (just before ovulation) if you're still

ovulating, and highest on day 26.  If your progesterone is low, you can use a

natural progesteone cream which can shrink the fibroids and aid in other

symptoms of estrogen dominance.







==========

Subject: Building Hemoglobin/No Iron Sups

From: "D. Simon" <dsimon@pop.interaccess.com>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 01:46:45 -0600

--------

Any suggestions for building up hemoglobins without taking an

over-the-counter iron supplement?





========================================================================

Debra and David Simon  

dsimon@interaccess.com



	"We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."

				  --Thomas Alva Edison





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Subject: Re: Building Hemoglobin/No Iron Sups

From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)

Date: 4 Mar 1998 08:05:09 GMT

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In <34FD06E5.711@pop.interaccess.com> "D. Simon"

<dsimon@pop.interaccess.com> writes: 

>

>Any suggestions for building up hemoglobins without taking an

>over-the-counter iron supplement?







  Liver.  Blood pudding.  Plenty of ostrich steak. 



                     Steve Harris, M.D.





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Subject: Re: Building Hemoglobin/No Iron Sups

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 4 Mar 1998 04:59:00 -0700

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"D. Simon" <dsimon@pop.interaccess.com> wrote:



>Any suggestions for building up hemoglobins without taking an

>over-the-counter iron supplement?



  Cook in cast-iron skillets and pots.  Also make sure you  get 

adequate protein, B-vitamins, and C ... they are needed for

making the hemoglobin as well.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Building Hemoglobin/No Iron Sups

From: "Reiner Grabreck" <lns@execulink.com>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:41:32 -0500

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rasberry tea

and chinese herb angelica

D. Simon wrote in message <34FD06E5.711@pop.interaccess.com>...

>Any suggestions for building up hemoglobins without taking an

>over-the-counter iron supplement?

>

>

>========================================================================

>Debra and David Simon

>dsimon@interaccess.com

>

> "We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."

>   --Thomas Alva Edison









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Subject: Re: Building Hemoglobin/No Iron Sups

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 5 Mar 1998 01:51:00 GMT

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Yellow Dock taken regularly for several months will supply natural iron. 



D. Simon <dsimon@pop.interaccess.com> wrote in article

<34FD06E5.711@pop.interaccess.com>...

> Any suggestions for building up hemoglobins without taking an

> over-the-counter iron supplement?







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To: Bill Winston <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: Building Hemoglobin/No Iron Sups

From: "D.Shamoda" <alwshthy@sonic.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:00:08 -0800

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Iron

Source: Blackstrap molasses, eggs, fish, organ meats, poultry, wheat germ,

and desiccated liver. Liver (beef), 1/4 lb., 200 mg.;

shredded wheat, 1 biscuit, 30 mg.

Body Parts Affected: Blood, bones, nails, skin, and teeth.

Affected Body Function: Hemoglobin production, stress and disease

resistance, and growth in children.

Deficiency Symptoms: Breathing difficulties, brittle nails, iron deficiency

anemia (pale skin, fatigue), constipation, and a sore or

inflamed tongue.

Counteracting Agents: Coffee, excess phosphorus, tea, zinc or copper

(excessive intake), and manganese.



D. Shamoda

http://www.allways-healthy.com



P.S. Any particular reason why you can't take an over the counter

supplement?



Bill Winston wrote:



> Yellow Dock taken regularly for several months will supply natural iron.

>

> D. Simon <dsimon@pop.interaccess.com> wrote in article

> <34FD06E5.711@pop.interaccess.com>...

> > Any suggestions for building up hemoglobins without taking an

> > over-the-counter iron supplement?





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Subject: Re: Building Hemoglobin/No Iron Sups

From: aa486@james.hwcn.org (Ron Roth)

Date: 7 Mar 1998 20:49:43 -0500

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D> Iron Source:

D> Blackstrap molasses, eggs, fish, organ meats, poultry, wheat

D> germ, and desiccated liver. Liver (beef), 1/4 lb., 200 mg.;

D> shredded wheat, 1 biscuit, 30 mg.

D> Body Parts Affected: Blood, bones, nails, skin, and teeth.

D> Affected Body Function: Hemoglobin production, stress and disease

D> resistance, and growth in children.

D> Deficiency Symptoms: Breathing difficulties, brittle nails, iron

D> deficiency anemia (pale skin, fatigue), constipation, and a sore

D> or inflamed tongue.

D> Counteracting Agents: Coffee, excess phosphorus, tea, zinc or copper

D> (excessive intake), and manganese.   ^^^^^^^^^^

--                         ^^^^^^^^^

 I don't know why some sources list manganese as an iron antagonist.

 Only under very unusual circumstances will manganese inhibit iron

 uptake - in the very great majority of cases, supplementing Mn will

 readily promote greater iron (ferritin) storage.  In fact, it is a

 very common occurrence that when Mn is lower than Fe, and manganese

 is supplemented alone that iron levels go up (from regular foods),

 even without having to supplement extra amounts.

 OTOH, why do the same sources fail to mention other iron antagonists

 such as magnesium, calcium, Vit B2 and E?  Phosphorus can work both

 ways, but under most circumstances, it promotes an *increase* in iron.

 Perhaps they should clarify ferritin versus serum iron, which might

 explain the error.

-- 

  * Ron Roth



 





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Subject: Re: Building Hemoglobin/No Iron Sups

From: "Aloe Vera Studies Organization" <aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:51:02 -0800

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The answer is both easy and (for many at least, but not the former President

Bush!), brocholli!  Also many other dark leafy vegetables such as spinach.

Of course, the iron content of these vegetables is mostly dependent on the

iron.



The Aloe Vera Studies Organization

http://www.aloe-vera.org



D. Simon wrote in message <34FD06E5.711@pop.interaccess.com>...

>Any suggestions for building up hemoglobins without taking an

>over-the-counter iron supplement?

>

>

>========================================================================

>Debra and David Simon

>dsimon@interaccess.com

>

> "We don't know a millionth of one percent about anything."

>   --Thomas Alva Edison









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Subject: Re: Building Hemoglobin/No Iron Sups

From: "=^.^=^.^=" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 05:30:15 GMT

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Liver is high in "iron" but contains large amounts of cholesterol.  Some

molasses are also high in iron.

-- 

Carol.....

*** Man who smoke pot choke on handle. ***

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*



> D. Simon wrote in message <34FD06E5.711@pop.interaccess.com>...

> >Any suggestions for building up hemoglobins without taking an

> >over-the-counter iron supplement?

> >

> >





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To: coyotsun@aol.com

Subject: Re: bulk orders

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 07:44:18 -0500

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herb suppliers: Jean's Greens,119 Sulphur Spring Road, Norway,

NY 13416; Pacific Botanicals, 4350 Fish Hatchery Road, Grants Pass,

OR 97527; Avena Botanicals,219 Mill St, Rockport, ME 04856; Blessed 

Maine Herb Co.,West Atehens, ME 04912.

Good luck!





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Subject: PLEASE read..

From: phs4vbn@atlas.vcu.edu (Victor B. Newton Jr.)

Date: 4 Mar 1998 10:08:37 -0500

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What is the difference between N.D study at home course and

a 4 year school?  Can you practice if study at home?





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Subject: Re: PLEASE read..

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 5 Mar 1998 00:24:07 GMT

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In article <6djqpl$3avk@atlas.vcu.edu>, phs4vbn@atlas.vcu.edu (Victor B. Newton

Jr.) writes:



>What is the difference between N.D study at home course and

>a 4 year school?  Can you practice if study at home?

 The laws governing ND licenses (title acts in most states) are the same as the

ones written for MD licenses or DC licenses or any type of healthcare

practitioner license.  Like the MD license, the ND license requires you to go

to an approved, four-year, residential school; serve set number of  hours in

clinical internship; and pass the state medical boards for that license.  



The following 4 year colleges/universities have programs which qualify their

students to become licensed NDs: Bastyr University; National College of Natural

Medicine; Southwest College; and University of Bridgeport, CT.  The Bridgeport

program is the newest (1st class accepted in 1997). National is the oldest.

Bastyr seems to be the best known. Southwest has a three-year accelerated

program (no summer break) as well as a traditional 4-year track.



In states which do not license NDs, restrictions fall under "practicing

medicine without a license" -- this too is defined differently in different

state laws, and there are people who "consult" people about their health which

seems to be legal in some states.  It's important to remember that there is no

national/federal medical licensing -- it varies from state to state, and it is

your responsibility to establish what is and isn't allowed in your state. 



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

author, Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

(Prima Publishing, April 1998)



e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com









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Subject: Herbal vermin repellant

From: cpeters@cinemagnetics.com (Chris Peters)

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:08:46 GMT

--------

Greetings to the group!

         I have a problem here and I hope some of the knowledgable(SP)

can help. Recently one of my neighbors moved out of the building I

live. With his leaving his "pets have moved into me and my other

neighbors place. Is there a good herbal repelleant for these things

thanks in advance

NOTICE TO BULK EMAILER(S): Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5,

Subchapter II, 227, any and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to

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of $500 US.                                                                    





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Subject: Re: Herbal vermin repellant

From: "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 15:31:08 GMT

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Chris Peters wrote in message <34fd6c46.177084910@news.cyburban.com>...

>Greetings to the group!

>         I have a problem here and I hope some of the knowledgable(SP)

>can help. Recently one of my neighbors moved out of the building I

>live. With his leaving his "pets have moved into me and my other

>neighbors place. Is there a good herbal repelleant for these things

>thanks in advance





Is the problem of the insect or mammalian variety?  One of the best thing

I've found for roaches is osage orange fruit - the sticky, lumpy large round

fruits from the common ornamental tree; if you've got it anywhere around,

you can't miss it!  The fruits litter the ground around the tree and take

forever to even begin decomposing, it seems.  They exude a sticky goo and

also some sort of aroma.  Most roaches detest it and will flee; some of them

are attracted, approach the fruits, and get stuck.  I throw them in the

backs of cupboards as a preventative measure.  I've got one of these

nuisance trees in my front yard, and I give away the fruits by the

grocery-sack-full!



Beth









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Subject: Re: Herbal vermin repellant

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:43:47 -0500

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Beth Harper wrote in message

<0teL.1652$aW1.1792725@news2.atl.bellsouth.net>...

>osage orange...I've got one of these

>nuisance trees in my front yard...



Not so!  The wood was used as an excellent bow-wood by a number of native

American tribes.  It has both the toughness and the flexibility required for

such use, enduring repeated bendings without loosing its shape or spring.

It is supposedly second only to English yew in it's usefulness for this.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Herbal vermin repellant

From: "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 01:02:18 GMT

--------

>>osage orange...I've got one of these

>>nuisance trees in my front yard...

>

>Not so!  The wood was used as an excellent bow-wood by a number of native

>American tribes.  It has both the toughness and the flexibility required

for

>such use, enduring repeated bendings without loosing its shape or spring.

>It is supposedly second only to English yew in it's usefulness for this.

>

>-RJO

>



Thanks, Richard...  I can always rely on you to have the appropriately

intelligent response when someone slips into thoughtless spitefulness!  It's

a source of amusement and satisfaction...  I thoroughly enjoy your posts.

;)



I was familiar with the uses the tree was put to; a good friend and I were,

in fact, recently discussing the fine competition-quality archers' bows now

being made from Osage orange by a craftsman here in Tennessee.  (can't

remember the name or the area, though I may be able to get that info...)



However, I'm niether an archer nor a woodcrafter, and the "nuisance tree"

reference was to the landscaping problems that those fruits generate.  I was

astonished and delighted to find that they had a beneficial use, and one

that would get them *out of my yard*!!



Beth

>

>









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Subject: Re: Herbal vermin repellant

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 11:13:07 -0600

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Chris Peters wrote:

> 

> Greetings to the group!

>       I have a problem here and I hope some of the knowledgable(SP)

> can help. Recently one of my neighbors moved out of the building I

> live. With his leaving his "pets have moved into me and my other

> neighbors place. Is there a good herbal repelleant for these things

> thanks in advance



"Pets," you say - I assume you mean you now have fleas, as opposed to 

his having abandoned his mammalian companions upon his departure.  You 

can find a couple of excellent herbal essential oil blends at your 

local health food store - Natural Animal and Cloud Nine are two brand 

names.  You can scatter around the edges of your rooms any combination 

of bay, eucalyptus, citrus peels, rosemary, pennyroyal, citronella, 

red cedar shavings, rue, tansy, sage.  A borate carpet treatment is

vailable from your friendly local Reduced Impact Services-certified 

pest control operator.  Avoid using diatomaceous earth on carpets, as 

it will puff back out and is very hazardous to inhale.



-Kyra [whose spouse is an RIS-certified PCO]





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Subject: Re: Herbal vermin repellant

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 4 Mar 1998 20:53:12 GMT

--------

I assume that you are referring to cockroaches???  Please be more

specific.  



Chris Peters <cpeters@cinemagnetics.com> wrote in article

<34fd6c46.177084910@news.cyburban.com>...

> Greetings to the group!

>          I have a problem here and I hope some of the

knowledgable(SP)

> can help. Recently one of my neighbors moved out of the building I

> live. With his leaving his "pets have moved into me and my other

> neighbors place. Is there a good herbal repelleant for these things

> thanks in advance

> NOTICE TO BULK EMAILER(S): Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5,

> Subchapter II, 227, any and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to

> this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount

> of $500 US.                                                          

         

> 





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Subject: Re: Herbal vermin repellant

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 01:42:39 GMT

--------

cpeters@cinemagnetics.com (Chris Peters) wrote:



>Greetings to the group!

>         I have a problem here and I hope some of the knowledgable(SP)

>can help. Recently one of my neighbors moved out of the building I

>live. With his leaving his "pets have moved into me and my other

>neighbors place. Is there a good herbal repelleant for these things

>thanks in advance

>NOTICE TO BULK EMAILER(S): Pursuant to US Code, Title 47, Chapter 5,

>Subchapter II, 227, any and all unsolicited commercial e-mail sent to

>this address is subject to a download and archival fee in the amount

>of $500 US.                                                                    

Well based on this notice please send $500 for this information.



If your referring to mice, peppermint seems to repel them. So of the

other mints may also work. Chocolate works very well in traps, mice

must have a sweet tooth.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/





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Subject: Re: Herbal vermin repellant

From: cpeters@cinemagnetics.com (Chris Peters)

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 13:52:44 GMT

--------

On Thu, 05 Mar 1998 01:42:39 GMT, harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

wrote:



                                                             

>Well based on this notice please send $500 for this information.

>

>If your referring to mice, peppermint seems to repel them. So of the

>other mints may also work. Chocolate works very well in traps, mice

>must have a sweet tooth.

>

>Don

>Herbs, Minerals & Goods

>Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

>http://www.top.net/harouffd/



Hi Don!

    I was referring more to the insect kind. Little buggers are

driving me nuts and neighbor is one who wont allow them to spray due

to his "delicate" health. Thanks for the info though on the

peppermint.



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Subject: Re: Late-onset eczema

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 4 Mar 1998 17:31:29 GMT

--------

I asked a local herbologist about using the Evening Primrose on the

eyelids.  He said that it won't cause any harm, if you do accidentally

get some into your eye, but do rinse it out well.  That was my feeling,

since it is just a fatty acid, but I had to be sure before telling you

to go ahead and use it on your eyelids.  By the way, he concurred with

my opinion that this herb should help a great deal.  It has many other

health benefits, also.  If you are interested, E-mail me and I will

type it all out for you.  I don't mind at all. 

Delores





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Subject: Seeking Info - asthma & Greek oregano

From: Jim Lavelle <zl@ameritech.net>

Date: Wed, 04 Mar 1998 13:18:37 -0500

--------

Requesting references to information about the use of Greek Oregano

to easy asthma discomfort.



Thanks you.



Jim



To reply directly, replace "zl" with "zoldaklavelle" in my email address





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Subject: Re: Seeking Info - asthma & Greek oregano

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 4 Mar 1998 21:03:23 GMT

--------

You will obtain much better relief by using Ginkgo.  Ginkgo interferes

with the PAF (platelet activation factor) that causes the bronchial

constriction.  By inhibiting the PAF, the ginkgo prevents the

constriction.  It does work.



Jim Lavelle <zl@ameritech.net> wrote in article

<34FD9AFD.7A0E3960@ameritech.net>...

> Requesting references to information about the use of Greek Oregano

> to easy asthma discomfort.

> 

> Thanks you.

> 

> Jim

> 

> To reply directly, replace "zl" with "zoldaklavelle" in my email

address

> 





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To: lendee <lendee@erinet.com>

Subject: Re: Seeking Info - asthma & Greek oregano

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 13:44:13 -0800

--------





lendee wrote:



> You will obtain much better relief by using Ginkgo.  Ginkgo interferes

> with the PAF (platelet activation factor) that causes the bronchial

> constriction.  By inhibiting the PAF, the ginkgo prevents the

> constriction.  It does work.

>

> Delores,



My mom has asthma, emphsemia (sp.), chronic sinusitus...unfort. I have

chronic sinusitus and am scared that I'm going to end up like my mom.  Any

info. re: Ginkgo preventing someone from getting asthma?  Do you know, is

there a tie between asthma and sinusitus?  Seems like they go hand in

hand.  Also, would love to know where you get your info. re: your reply so

I can retrieve it and give it to my mom.  Much thanks.



The mind is like a parachute...

it only functons when it's open.

June









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Subject: Re: Seeking Info - asthma & Greek oregano

From: georg <the.whichwaydidhego.georg@servtech.NARF.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:22:47 -0500

--------

HOLLIDAY wrote:

> 

> My mom has asthma, emphsemia (sp.), chronic sinusitus...unfort. I have

> chronic sinusitus and am scared that I'm going to end up like my mom.  Any

> info. re: Ginkgo preventing someone from getting asthma?  Do you know, is

> there a tie between asthma and sinusitus?  Seems like they go hand in

> hand.  Also, would love to know where you get your info. re: your reply so

> I can retrieve it and give it to my mom.  Much thanks.



What you need to do is find out why you chronically suffer from

sinusitis. Is it allergies? Dietary imballance? Sensitivity to

chemical fragrances or other man-made chemicals? If you know what is

causing your trouble, you may be able to avoid it or change it. 



Purfumes in soaps bothered me for years until I found out I have a

mild allergy to them. I have other allergies too, but eliminating

purfumed soaps and shampoos went a long way to helping me eliminate my

chronic sinusitus.



I do not know of any direct link between asthma and sinusitus. My

lungs were checked just before I discovered my allergies, and they

were cleared of any trace of asthma. But I admit to only having

personal experience.



-georg

non ani sunt permittendi





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Subject: Re: Seeking Info - asthma & Greek oregano

From: SS-Sally Short <glad@az.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:53:33 -0800

--------

   One of the problems that causes my sinus problems is my emotions. When 

I get upset about something I have a sinus attack. Also Air conditioning 

seems to stop my head up too.  Don't know if this is any help.

                              Sally

On Tue, 10 Mar 1998, georg wrote:

> HOLLIDAY wrote:

> > My mom has asthma, emphsemia (sp.), chronic sinusitus...unfort. I have

> > chronic sinusitus and am scared that I'm going to end up like my mom.  Any

> > info. re: Ginkgo preventing someone from getting asthma?  Do you know, is

> > there a tie between asthma and sinusitus?  Seems like they go hand in

> > hand.  Also, would love to know where you get your info. re: your reply so

> > I can retrieve it and give it to my mom.  Much thanks.

> 

> What you need to do is find out why you chronically suffer from

> sinusitis. Is it allergies? Dietary imballance? Sensitivity to

> chemical fragrances or other man-made chemicals? If you know what is

> causing your trouble, you may be able to avoid it or change it. 

> 

> Purfumes in soaps bothered me for years until I found out I have a

> mild allergy to them. I have other allergies too, but eliminating

> purfumed soaps and shampoos went a long way to helping me eliminate my

> chronic sinusitus.

> 

> I do not know of any direct link between asthma and sinusitus. My

> lungs were checked just before I discovered my allergies, and they

> were cleared of any trace of asthma. But I admit to only having

> personal experience.

> 

> -georg

> non ani sunt permittendi

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Seeking Info - asthma & Greek oregano

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:49:13 -0500

--------

HOLLIDAY wrote in message <35006E2C.FD19966@nep.net>...

>

>My mom has asthma, emphsemia (sp.), chronic sinusitus...unfort. I have

>chronic sinusitus and am scared that I'm going to end up like my mom.  Any

>info. re: Ginkgo preventing someone from getting asthma?  Do you know, is

>there a tie between asthma and sinusitus?  Seems like they go hand in

>hand.  Also, would love to know where you get your info. re: your reply so

>I can retrieve it and give it to my mom.  Much thanks.



In traditional Chinese medicine, the nose and sinuses are considered part of

the Lung system, and are treated as such.



-RJO











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Subject: New Saw Palmetto book by Dr. Sahelian

From: longrc@aol.com (Longrc)

Date: 4 Mar 1998 19:41:31 GMT

--------

We just wanted to inform everyone that Saw Palmetto: Nature's Prostate Healer

by Ray Sahelian, M.D. has been published. The book includes the latest updates

on the mechanism of action of Saw Palmetto along with pygeum, stinging nettle,

rye pollen, sitosterol, and epilobium. Excerpts from the book are posted at

http:www.raysahelian.com. Dozens of up to date references are included. The

summary includes recomendations on how to combine herbs and even pharmaceutical

prostate pills.



<http://www.raysahelian.com> 





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Subject: Re: Dry eyes

From: hcorbin@nv10.uswnvg.com (Harold Corbin)

Date: 4 Mar 1998 21:13:59 GMT

--------

I built a website for a local vision clinic, and they had 

me build a page on Dry Eye. I don't have the exact page

address, but the site address is http://www.envision2000.com/ivc

Just click on the sitemap button and look for the Dry Eye page.



I know that they suggested a non-surgical process of inserting

a "lacrimal plug" for dry eye sufferers. Check it out.



Harold Corbin

Webmaster/Site Developer

Envision 2000 Affordable Website Development

http://www.envision2000.com

webmaster@envision2000.com



Gary Ross (ross_nospam@together.net) wrote:



: I'm looking for help with dry, chronically irritated eyes.  I have seen 

: opthamologists who have said that I have "dry eye" and suggest using 

: artificial tears.  I get ten minutes relief and then back to misery.  I'm 

: concidering a punctal occlusion, but I don't know that this will help much.

: Any thoughts appreciated.  (Incidently, it's particularly my left eye, my 

: right eye I can deal with OK).  Thanks.



: gary





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Subject: Re: Dry eyes

From: suequill <suequill@pan-tex.net>

Date: 5 Mar 1998 02:37:48 GMT

--------

I don't know if this would help with your problem or not, but I was

having problems with my eyes feeling like they were dry and sort of

sandy.  Been several months now, so I don't remember the exact 

feeling, but it was miserable.  When I'd wake up they were dry and felt

like something was in them.  Splashing water in them helped some, but

the rest of the day they still felt a little grainy.  I started taking

antioxidants.



Vit C, E, selenium, a B complex and a multi vitamin mineral sup.  



I know that a lack of antioxidants plays a part in developing glaucoma.

Why this helped me, I'm not sure, but it made all the difference.  I

had the problem for several months when I started this.  

I take 1,000 mg. C, 400-800  IU of E, 400 mcg. of selenium, the B

complex and the multi vitamin and mineral.  All these nutrients 

interact with C protecting E and E protecting selenium.  Also, the

B's are important for everything to work properly.



susie









Gary Ross wrote:

> 

> I'm looking for help with dry, chronically irritated eyes.  I have seen

> opthamologists who have said that I have "dry eye" and suggest using

> artificial tears.  I get ten minutes relief and then back to misery.  I'm

> concidering a punctal occlusion, but I don't know that this will help much.

> Any thoughts appreciated.  (Incidently, it's particularly my left eye, my

> right eye I can deal with OK).  Thanks.

> 

> gary





==========

Subject: Re: Dry eyes

From: "C. Miner" <misstee@europa.com>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:11:46 -0800

--------

I'm not sure if this applies but I have have 'dry eyes' for about 5 years.

I came down with carititus (sp?)--the left eye being the worst.  It was very

painful and the eye Doc said my eyes looked like the moon.  I have found out

that a cousin of mine has it along with here 2 boys.  I have had to stop

wearing my contacts and go back to glasses.   When I had this stuff, got it

every January. and my eyes would begin with the dryness and then the

carititus would show up.  I go very light sensitive--I could not even have

my office lights on or it would be too painful.  The only way they could get

rid of it was by giving me steriod drops--not my fav, but I didn't have any

other options at that point.  I have since kept some eye drops (lubrication

tears) on my nightstand and up in a few drops firth thing in the AM --- that

was always the worse time for me.



I have tried to wear my contacts again and noticed a real difference in the

left eye from the right--it got really dry and irritated first.



Hope it helps.



C~











==========

Subject: New Book Online

From: "Bob Cortez" <bobak@eagle.ptialaska.net>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 19:20:24 -0900

--------

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holistic approach to her ongoing battle with multiple sclerosis.

Her book describes in detail the method and results of her

successful program.  She has helped hundreds of others afflicted

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More information about Betty and her incredible story can be

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==========

Subject: Belonging to Mother Earth

From: "Dragonlady & Scooter" <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 5 Mar 1998 05:30:11 GMT

--------

Some of you might be interested in a conference that is planned.  Among

other things it will give the indigenous peoples of the world a chance to

share their wisdom and healing knowledge.



Information can be found at

www.are-cayce.com



It will truly be a GREAT event.

-- 

 Dragonlady





==========

Subject: ADD-ADHD

From: Dan Griffin <d1griff1@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 00:57:04 -0500

--------

Hello,

I am new to this group so please don't flame me too badly (this may be

an overly talked about subject) but my 14 year old son has had testing

in school which is highly indicitive of this "label".

I have been given the chioces of going the allopathic route with the

pediatric neurologist, Ritalin, blah, blah (I obviously don't want to do

this if possible).

I put him on Focus Formula (per the town herb guru)

Anyone have knowledge or ideas on this?



Info would be much appreciated



Thanks,



Dan







==========

Subject: Re: ADD-ADHD

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 5 Mar 1998 05:56:01 -0700

--------

Dan Griffin <d1griff1@bellatlantic.net> wrote:



>Hello,

>I am new to this group so please don't flame me too badly (this may be

>an overly talked about subject) but my 14 year old son has had testing

>in school which is highly indicitive of this "label".

  Testing by whom?



>Anyone have knowledge or ideas on this?

  It is odd to me that the "epidemic" of ADD-ADHD coincides with

the cutback in school budgets that did away with the classes

where students DO instead of LISTEN ... art, music, phys ed were

all places where a child could give their mind a break.  I think

the schools are expecting unnatural behavior from children: they

should be given an opportunity to be noisy and gregarious.

  Sit a healthy adult in a hard seat with a boring teacher and

you'd probably get diagnosed with the same thing.



  Ritalin or herbal help is a short-term aid: if its use does NOT

include classes in how to concentrate, and classes in how to make

the most of the way your child's mind works (there advantages to

being able to think of several things at once), it will only

solve the school's problem, not your son's.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: ADD-ADHD

From: Krista Michelle Park <z44kmp@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:02:51 -0330

--------





On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Pete & Janine wrote:



> Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> > 

> > Dan Griffin <d1griff1@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

> > 

> > >Hello,

> > >I am new to this group so please don't flame me too badly (this may be

> > >an overly talked about subject) but my 14 year old son has had testing

> > >in school which is highly indicitive of this "label".

> >   Testing by whom?

> > 

> > >Anyone have knowledge or ideas on this?

> >   It is odd to me that the "epidemic" of ADD-ADHD coincides with

> > the cutback in school budgets that did away with the classes

> > where students DO instead of LISTEN ... art, music, phys ed were

> > all places where a child could give their mind a break.  I think

> > the schools are expecting unnatural behavior from children: they

> > should be given an opportunity to be noisy and gregarious.

> >   Sit a healthy adult in a hard seat with a boring teacher and

> > you'd probably get diagnosed with the same thing.



	I have a nephew with ADHD and his parents have recently put him on

Ritalin ( very low dosage ). It does seem to allow him to concentrate

however we are worried about the side effects. I wonder if you could

tell me where to get information on how to make the most of being able to

think of more than one thing at once. Also you mention classes on

concentration, can you elaborate. We are hoping to get him off Ritalin as

soon as possible.



> >   Ritalin or herbal help is a short-term aid: if its use does NOT

> > include classes in how to concentrate, and classes in how to make

> > the most of the way your child's mind works (there advantages to

> > being able to think of several things at once), it will only

> > solve the school's problem, not your son's.

> > Callie

> > Callie @-sign writepage.com

> > (the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

> >  But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)

> 

> 

> I have a niece who the teacher was saying that she had ADD.  This is a

> quiet easy-going child of 8!  This girl is very intelligent..  The poor

> girl is board silly sitting in a classroom repeating things that she has

> already learned.  I have a nephew with the same problem.  This I feel is

> also caused from our schools from dumming down of the curriculums taught

> in our schools.  These children are also eating more sugar than every

> before.  Has anyone worked in the classrooms to watch the amount of

> sugar given to their children.  I have.  I was so shocked.  I did go the

> teacher to voice my concerns about the sugar being given to the

> children.  My sons are not aloud to have many sweets at home after my

> oldest was showing signs of diabetes at age 2. 

> 

> Between the lack of the school willing to teach a quality education and

> the diets the children are given I can see where they are coming up with

> this ADD.

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Re: ADD-ADHD

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:59:45 -0500

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <34feac06.621421@news.primenet.com>...

>Dan Griffin <d1griff1@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

>

>  It is odd to me that the "epidemic" of ADD-ADHD coincides with

>the cutback in school budgets that did away with the classes

>where students DO instead of LISTEN ... art, music, phys ed were

>all places where a child could give their mind a break.  I think

>the schools are expecting unnatural behavior from children: they

>should be given an opportunity to be noisy and gregarious.

>  Sit a healthy adult in a hard seat with a boring teacher and

>you'd probably get diagnosed with the same thing.





<Squirming in chair, waving hand wildly in air> OH YES!  I think you're

really on to something.  I know how lousy I feel when I don't get enough

exercise and sit too long - really antsy, and that's when I usually have

trouble with "restless" legs, difficulty getting to sleep, etc.  When I was

in HS, back in the mid-60's, the music classes especially were a very

welcome break during the day, gave my analytical side a chance to rest, and

my diaphram a good workout - besides oxygenating my entire body.  My music

instructors always emphasized good breath control, meaning control over the

abdominal muscles and diaphram, and those lessons were invaluable later when

I was learning about controlled breathing practice in meditation.

Incidentally, that's a "cure" somethimes for that nervous-feeling or

restlessness late at night - get in front of a open window and just BREATHE!

Take ten or twelve DEEP breaths and hold them 10 seconds or so, then let

them out *slowly* and repeat.  While you're doing that, concentrate on the

feeling in your muscles (for me, the neck and upper back) and feel them

relaxing as you exhale.  Try to put all your attention on your body, but

don't *think* about it, just *feel* it!  That gets rid of a lot of tension!



>  Ritalin or herbal help is a short-term aid: if its use does NOT

>include classes in how to concentrate, and classes in how to make

>the most of the way your child's mind works (there advantages to

>being able to think of several things at once), it will only

>solve the school's problem, not your son's.



>Callie





Kudos.  No one has said it better.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: ADD-ADHD

From: Cairis <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:59:42 -0500

--------

This is just my .02 about the ADD/ADHD coding, but I agree that there

seems to be an epidemic of "coding".....Is it children that are

naturally more active and therefore the school system doesn't want to be

responsible for (in some cases) the the inability to teach them

effectively?  Maybe they are above average in some cases and dying of

boredom.....It seems that there should be more teaching styles to

accomodate the variety of personalities in a classroom.  I know in our

school district there was a large percentage of children sent through

"readiness" and subsequently coded in a short time span.  It seems

ridiculous to me.

Alot of it may be diet related with the soda/candy machines at schools,

sweetened breakfast cereals, poptarts etc...that so many kids are

allowed to eat before and during school hours.....or lack of education

(in some cases) on the parents part as to nutritian.

I know of some cases that were followed up and attributed to a sugar

allergy.



I don't that Ritalin is basically toxic and does nothing to "teach"

concentration, or address any chemical disturbances that may be due to

food allergies, etc....



I've seen many people have success through concentration skill studies,

parent/child exercises, dietary changes, elimination of sugars, herbal

remedies etc...



Why is it that the schools are so anxious to "label"  the kids?  It does

create a stigma, however widely accepted now and I think in some  cases

gives the child a license to be a disturbance....(this in no way, shape

or form means I believe that is the norm..), but I have seen it used as

an excuse by kids to "misbehave".....



Cairis

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Subject: Re: Sythentic Thyroid alternatives

From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 12:56:40 GMT

--------

On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:55:38 -0800, COOPER95 <COOPER95@prodigy.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know what herbs work for replacing or replenishing thyroid?

>I'm too poor to pay $60 a month for "Syntroid" and the like.



I don't have an answer to your question, but I"m taking Synthroid 0.1 mg

and I"m paying about 15 bux for 100 tablets (that over a three month supply

for me, I only take one tab a day).  The cost of the prescription is only

$30 (My insurance covers the other half).  I'm taking a generic, rather

than a name brand.  I don't know how many tabs you take a day so you may go

through them faster than I.  Maybe you have to take more.  But my first

reaction is, if you're paying that much for it, then you're either paying

for a name brand, or you're going to the wrong pharmacy.  Shop around! :)

(course, this could be a regional thing, I live in Vermont)



Other than that, I would be interested in the answer to your actual

question.



--

Siobhan Perricone

"I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. 

I suspect people of plotting to make me happy."

     -J.D. Salinger





==========

Subject: Re: Sythentic Thyroid alternatives

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 5 Mar 1998 16:07:12 GMT

--------

Siobhan Perricone (astarte@sover.net) wrote:

:On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:55:38 -0800, COOPER95 <COOPER95@prodigy.net> wrote:

:

:>Does anyone know what herbs work for replacing or replenishing thyroid?

:>I'm too poor to pay $60 a month for "Syntroid" and the like.

:

:I don't have an answer to your question, but I"m taking Synthroid 0.1 mg

:and I"m paying about 15 bux for 100 tablets (that over a three month supply

:for me, I only take one tab a day).  The cost of the prescription is only

:$30 (My insurance covers the other half).  I'm taking a generic, rather

:than a name brand.  I don't know how many tabs you take a day so you may go

:through them faster than I.  Maybe you have to take more.  But my first

:reaction is, if you're paying that much for it, then you're either paying

:for a name brand, or you're going to the wrong pharmacy.  Shop around! :)

:(course, this could be a regional thing, I live in Vermont)

:

:Other than that, I would be interested in the answer to your actual

:question.

:

:--

:Siobhan Perricone

:"I am a kind of paranoiac in reverse. 

:I suspect people of plotting to make me happy."

:     -J.D. Salinger



There is something called Armour Thyroid out there, but I wouldn't make a

move before checking with your doctor, as this type of thyroid produces

different effects.  Something to do with t3 and t4 balance. Nex





    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





==========

Subject: Re: Sythentic Thyroid alternatives

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 03:35:48 GMT

--------

Any pharmacist charging that much for synthetic thryoid is a real

gouger.  I don't even involve my health insurance company in mine as

it's so cheap.  I pay about $11.00 for 100 pills.  A three months

supply.  Call around and get prices from various places.







On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 18:55:38 -0800, COOPER95 <COOPER95@prodigy.net>

wrote:



>Does anyone know what herbs work for replacing or replenishing thyroid?

>I'm too poor to pay $60 a month for "Syntroid" and the like.

>Thanx,

>Lisa



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





==========

Subject: Re: Sythentic Thyroid alternatives

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 9 Mar 1998 16:07:00 -0700

--------

Here is what I am doing to solve a hypothroid problem..... 5  .30 kelp

tablets plus yoga exercises of the plough and shoulder stands.  It

does work BUT I may have much less of a problem than you do...mine is

just sluggish not non functioning.



COOPER95 <COOPER95@prodigy.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know what herbs work for replacing or replenishing thyroid?

>I'm too poor to pay $60 a month for "Syntroid" and the like.

>Thanx,

>Lisa









==========

Subject: Re: Sythentic Thyroid alternatives

From: olfactory@webtv.net (John M. Causbrook)

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:49:19 -0500

--------

Try 200 mcg of Chromium GTF Grown fro YEAST NOT PICOLINATE for 4 weeks

then ad another 200mcg, then another 200mcg's = 600mcg or 3/5 of 1

Milligram

That will kill your appetite, since you are not Diabetic, it is a much

Cheaper way to lose Weight like I did 2 years ago in my wheelchair I

weighed 472 Lbs now I weigh 237Lbs, still sitting in my wheelchair, the

Chromium will just take away your Appetite, but remember to eat at 1 1/2

Meals a day, take them an Hour or 1 1/2 Hours before Bedtime, you will

not get hungary for your midnight or 3 AM Snack, you will be sound

asleep with no hunger to wake you up, what do want to lose 15,

30, 50Lbs. I lost 235Lbs Sitting in a Wheelchair with absolutly No

exercise, Try it, you won't believe where your Hunger went to!



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                                                 As Always, 

                                                      John





==========

Subject: Home Herb Garden Questions

From: abraxas@webtv.net

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 08:47:35 -0500

--------

I have a 30X30 ft garden in zone 5. I plan on buying plants from

Richters. I would like to grow Echinancea Purpurea, PassionFlower,and

Saint Johns Wort.Will these do well together?Any advise or sources for

any Infomation would be appreciated.Thanks  Tom





==========

To: abraxas@webtv.net

Subject: Re: Home Herb Garden Questions

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:28:30 -0500

--------

i garden in zone 4/5. i am growing st. johnswort `elixir' from seed 

purchased from richters. be sure to give plants sufficient room, 1 

1/2' to 2' apart. remember that echinacea roots need to be three years 

growing before they can be used for medicinal purposes. 



both these plants should do well for you.



good luck.





==========

Subject: Herbs for Humidifier?

From: pathwr@huntleighhealth.com (Eileen Smith)

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 17:00:18 GMT

--------

Hello All,

I have sever allergies and use a humidifier at night for my sinus

problem. Are there any herbs in a tea infusion or tinture form I can

put into the water to help or will it interfer with the mechanism?



Eileen Smith





visit my websight!

The Path of the White Rose

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angels,meditation tapes,channeledQ&A Forum

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==========

Subject: Re: Herbs for Humidifier?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 5 Mar 1998 18:55:01 -0700

--------

pathwr@huntleighhealth.com (Eileen Smith) wrote:



>Hello All,

>I have sever allergies and use a humidifier at night for my sinus

>problem. Are there any herbs in a tea infusion or tinture form I can

>put into the water to help or will it interfer with the mechanism?

  Try taking echinacea daily and you might get the allergies to

calm down.



  Leaf herbs will probably clog the filters.  You can put oils or

tinctures in for added relief, but read the humidifier's

directions first.  Some state that you should NOT add anything to

the water.

  You could use one of those little "potpourri simmering pots"

for an aromatic herb mixture if the humidifoer

  On the strong side, but very sinus-clearing, is camphor.  It

comes in small cubes.  Crush the cube into a powder and shake it

in a quart of water.  Let it settle overnight and pour off some

of the the water into a pot and bring it to a boil.  Inhale the

steam for several minutes.

  You can keep adding more water until the camphor finall all is

dissolved away.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Herbs for Humidifier?

From: cnsjjc@aol.com (Cnsjjc)

Date: 6 Mar 1998 02:40:43 GMT

--------

Have you considered essential oils - especially eucalyptus?









==========

Subject: Re: Herbs for Humidifier?

From: "joolz" <joolz@q7.com>

Date: 6 Mar 1998 22:19:24 GMT

--------





Eileen Smith <pathwr@huntleighhealth.com> wrote in article

<6dmm2o$lk@enews1.newsguy.com>...

> Hello All,

> I have sever allergies and use a humidifier at night for my sinus

> problem. Are there any herbs in a tea infusion or tinture form I can

> put into the water to help or will it interfer with the mechanism?

> 





I would actually recommend putting a couple of drops of essential oil into

the water. a drop or two won't hurt the humidifier, and you won't need more

than that because essential oils are very potent substances and too much

can be a bad thing. my favorite EO for sinus problems is Hyssop, but it can

be hard to find. EO of Eucalyptus might work well, or EO of camphor. Be

sure to use high quality oils. give it a try - it might really help!



I can recommend some books on the topic of Essential Oils if you're

interested. and no, I don't sell them and I'm not involved in any MLM

scams. I just use them a lot. :)









==========

Subject: Re: Herbs for Humidifier?

From: volare@wilde.oit.umass.edu (Kedi)

Date: 7 Mar 98 03:26:42 GMT

--------

Eileen Smith (pathwr@huntleighhealth.com) said something like....

: Hello All,

: I have sever allergies and use a humidifier at night for my sinus

: problem. Are there any herbs in a tea infusion or tinture form I can

: put into the water to help or will it interfer with the mechanism?



	There should be a little reservoir in front of the steam port if 

it is a steam type humidifier. Use essential oils and put a few drops in 

that reservoir...works wonders. I have eucalyptus/camphor for the evil 

plague head cold going around right now and also a "sleepytime" 

aromatherapy oil for insomnia and the humidifier disperses the oil very 

nicely. As someone who works in Emergency Medical Services, I don't 

recommend adding anything to the water itself, especially in an 

exposed-element type of steam humidifier..it can cause the unit to 

overheat and start a fire, or start melting the plastic housing and 

create some pretty nasty fumes, none of which you want happening while 

you're sleeping. 

							-J-

PS Tea tree oil is also a good one for disinfecting the room.. especially 

when you're ill, it gets rid of the 'sickroom' smell. I use it a lot in 

this manner.







==========

Subject: Re: Herbs for Humidifier?

From: Cairis <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 19:01:43 -0500

--------

Eileen Smith (pathwr@huntleighhealth.com) said something like....

: Hello All,

: I have sever allergies and use a humidifier at night for my sinus

: problem. Are there any herbs in a tea infusion or tinture form I can

: put into the water to help or will it interfer with the mechanism?



Usually they recommend not to add anything to the water.

Have you tried a large bowl of steaming water next to the bed with oils

added to it?



I know that fennel and anise are good for asthma...I don't know about

allergies.

Mullein is great for an expectorant.

I usually use eucalyptus.



Cairis







==========

Subject: Re: Herbs for Humidifier?

From: "C. Miner" <misstee@europa.com>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:18:02 -0800

--------

I got a vaporiser for Christmas last year and it has pads that are heated.

I have used this for my bronchitis and my son's cold and it has worked well.

The pads contain eucalyptus.



If you are interested, e-mail me and I'll tell you who makes it and what the

box says.



C~





Eileen Smith wrote in message









==========

Subject: Re: Herbs for Humidifier?

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 8 Mar 98 13:27:56 GMT

--------

Eileen Smith <pathwr@huntleighhealth.com> wrote:

>Hello All,

>I have sever allergies and use a humidifier at night for my sinus

>problem. Are there any herbs in a tea infusion or tinture form I can

>put into the water to help or will it interfer with the mechanism?



I switched from a (cold) humidifier to a (hot) vaporizer, because the

humidifiers I've tried tended to grow molds, which made the allergies

much worse.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





==========

Subject: Anglo-Saxon Nine Herbs Charm

From: eishaus@teleport.com (sigi)

Date: 5 Mar 1998 18:17:26 GMT

--------

In SELECTIONS FROM OLD ENGLISH POETRY

published in 1902 by Ginn and Company,

The Nine Herbs Charm is as follows:



Remember Wormwood, what though didst reveal,

What though didst prepare at the great proclamation.

'Una' thnough art named, the eldest of herbs;

Though art strong against three and agaisnt thirty,

Though art strong against venom and against infection,

Though art strong against the Evil Thing that goes throughout the land.

  And thou, Plantain, mother of herbs,

Open from the east, might within.

Over thee carts creaked, queens rode over thee,

Over thee bridges made cries, bulls gnashed over thee,

All those didst though withstnd, and dashed against them;

So mayest thou withstand venom and infection,

And the Evil Thing that goes throughout the land.

  Water-cress is this herb named; it grew on stone.

It stands against venom, it fights agianst pain.

  Nettle is this called; it dashes against venom,

It drives away cruel things, it casts out venom.

This is the herb that fought with the snake;

This is strong against venom, this is strong against ionfection,

This is strong against the Evil Thing that goes throughout the land.

  Fly now Betonica, the less from the greater,

The greater from the less, till there be to them a cure for both.

  Remember, Camomile, what thou didst make known,

What thou didst bring to pass at Alorford,

That for the flying ill he never yielded up him life,

After one prepared Camomile for him to eat.

  This is the herb called Wild-Apple.

The seal sent this over the back of the sea, 

to heal the hurt of other venom.

These nine attacked nine venoms.

A serpent came sneaking, he slew a man.

Then he took Woden nine glory-twigs,

Smote the serpent then so that it flew in nine pieces;

There the apple ended it and its venom,

So that it never would enter the house again.

  Thyme and Fennel, two exceeding might ones,

These herbs the wise Lord made,

Holy in the heavens; He let them down,

Placed them, and sent them into the seven worlds

As a cure for all, the poor and the rich,

It stands against the pain, it dashes against the venom,

It is strong against three and against thirty,

Against the hand of an enemy and against the hand of the cursed,

...And against the bewitching of my creatures.





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Subject: Herbal therapies for arthritis

From: "Olga Sarafyn" <tsarafyn@netinc.ca>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:39:53 -0500

--------

What sort of herbal therapies are there for arthritis?









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To: Olga Sarafyn <tsarafyn@netinc.ca>

Subject: Re: Herbal therapies for arthritis

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 20:50:24 -0700

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Yucca Root extract and Vitamin B

Pam--

Soap Crafters Company

Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

Soap Making Instructions

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Olga Sarafyn wrote:



> What sort of herbal therapies are there for arthritis?







--











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Subject: Re: Herbal therapies for arthritis

From: Cmy@sig.4address (Lee)

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 02:09:21 GMT

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On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:39:53 -0500, "Olga Sarafyn" <tsarafyn@netinc.ca>

wrote:



-=>What sort of herbal therapies are there for arthritis?



I went to an Amish "doctor" and he put me on Una de Gato (Cat's Claw).

I had excellent results.



Victoria "Lee"

haxton@scican.net





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Subject: Re: Herbal therapies for arthritis

From: annawolf@msn.com

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 20:15:42 -0600

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In article <6dn2ja$sh1$1@usenet87.supernews.com>,

  "Olga Sarafyn" <tsarafyn@netinc.ca> wrote:

>

> What sort of herbal therapies are there for arthritis?

>

>

I also have RA. One of the replys to your post is true, about avoiding

"nightshade family" plants (tobacco, eggplant, peppers, tomatoes, tomatillos,

potatoes).

    I've found through research online that some of the hormones called

"prostaglandin" is the culprit for triggering the imune system to attack the

joints, among other systems of the body. They are made of fat (molecules)

which, without going into inordinate detail, is controled somewhat by taking

EPO(evening primrose oil) and NSAIDS.

    Also I did a search on the net site "A ModernHerbal Homepage"

<http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html> and found

that an ingredient in chaparral fights the pain of RA. I feel it is important

to take antioxidants, such as, Jason Winter's herbal tea with chaparral, of

which I make an infusion:

    Put an ounce of the tea in a mason jar; pour boiling water over it; put on

the lid; and let it infuse for at least 8 hours so that the alkaloids can be

released into the water. The red clover in this tea contails phyto(plant)

estrogens which are highly helpful in fighting the cancer-causing

xenoestrogens(from fossel-fuel enviromental polluting).

    I eat a vegan diet, rich in soy products, as soy also contains

phytoestrogens. Anyway,I believe that I am doing so well because I research

the dynamics of RA and look for natural therapies to counter the causes.

    One more thing: dairy flares me up something fierce(and has been confirmed

through studies to exacerbate the symptoms of RA), and also citrus flares me

up, and others with RA also.  I hope this helps.



Anna Wolf





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Subject: Re: Herbal therapies for arthritis

From: "Aloe Vera Studies Organization" <aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:05:44 -0800

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Anna's is an EXCELLENT response.  There are also a number of valuable books

in any of the larger bookstores with good herbal therapies for arthritis and

other conditions.  A recommended book (having nothing to do with our

organization or any individual therein - so this isn't spam!) is:

"Heinerman's Encylcopedia of Healing Herbs & Spices".  The paperback book is

488 pages (not counting the index) and is listed in alphabetic order by

herb, including how to use the herb and any associated dangers to the herb.

Last year the book was $U.S.13.95 plus applicable sales tax.





The Aloe Vera Studies Organization

(site address removed to avoid appearance of spam!)



annawolf@msn.com wrote in message <6dqaiu$8l7$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>In article <6dn2ja$sh1$1@usenet87.supernews.com>,

>  "Olga Sarafyn" <tsarafyn@netinc.ca> wrote:

>>

>> What sort of herbal therapies are there for arthritis?

>>

>>

>I also have RA. One of the replys to your post is true, about avoiding

>"nightshade family" plants (tobacco, eggplant, peppers, tomatoes,

tomatillos,

>potatoes).

>    I've found through research online that some of the hormones called

>"prostaglandin" is the culprit for triggering the imune system to attack

the

>joints, among other systems of the body. They are made of fat (molecules)

>which, without going into inordinate detail, is controled somewhat by

taking

>EPO(evening primrose oil) and NSAIDS.

>    Also I did a search on the net site "A ModernHerbal Homepage"

><http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html> and found

>that an ingredient in chaparral fights the pain of RA. I feel it is

important

>to take antioxidants, such as, Jason Winter's herbal tea with chaparral, of

>which I make an infusion:

>    Put an ounce of the tea in a mason jar; pour boiling water over it; put

on

>the lid; and let it infuse for at least 8 hours so that the alkaloids can

be

>released into the water. The red clover in this tea contails phyto(plant)

>estrogens which are highly helpful in fighting the cancer-causing

>xenoestrogens(from fossel-fuel enviromental polluting).

>    I eat a vegan diet, rich in soy products, as soy also contains

>phytoestrogens. Anyway,I believe that I am doing so well because I research

>the dynamics of RA and look for natural therapies to counter the causes.

>    One more thing: dairy flares me up something fierce(and has been

confirmed

>through studies to exacerbate the symptoms of RA), and also citrus flares

me

>up, and others with RA also.  I hope this helps.

>

>Anna Wolf

>

>

>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

>http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading









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Subject: Re: Herbal therapies for arthritis

From: Cairis <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 23:15:26 -0500

--------

There are a few things you can try to help with arthritis...

Have you tried pineapple?  Pineapple contains bromelain which helps with

inflammation.

You could also try ginger (1-3 tsps. per day), capsaicin (pain relief)

and sea cucumber is now showing promise.



Cairis







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Subject: Re: Cancer cure from walnut husks!!

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:52:51 -0500

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>Essiac has 8 ingrediants, but not Walnut husks.  It has Burdock root,

>sheep sorrel herb, watercress herb, Turkish rhubarb root, kelp,

>blessed thistle herb and red clover blossom.

>It did originate from the Objibways in Canada. You can get the product

>in packets to be made into a tea from Flora Co. in most Health food

>stores.  There are some brands which only have 4 herbs, but this is

>suppose to be the original formula.  There are web sites on essiac if

>you want to check it out.

>My husband takes it for Prostate Cancer as part of his treatment and

>we believe it works.





I have always thought it most curious that, of all the herbs in the various

versions of Essiac (and this is not the *only* "official" essiac formula

around), almost every one of the ingredients is an old-world herb that was

introduced to the Americas by European settlers.  While the native Americans

were known to have adopted a number of introduced herbs into their own

various practises, to find such a large proportion of non-native herbs in a

supposedly-Indian formula smells a bit fishy to me.  (Actually, the black

walnut fornd in some versions of Essiac is one of the few native herbs

included).



-RJO











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Subject: Sweating : cause anxiety

From: pde@pbennion.u-net.com (PDE)

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 21:58:40 GMT

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I sweat profusely when anxious, considering I am going to be a best

man at a wedding this concerns me, the sweat literally pours down my

face and back, obviously the sweat on my back is concealed but not my

face, can anyone suggest some help?



thanks 



Phil



P.S thanks to everyone who responded to my dizziness post a few days

back





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Subject: Re: Sweating : cause anxiety

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 19:03:42 -0600

--------

jamie wrote:

> 

> PDE <pde@pbennion.u-net.com> wrote:

> >I sweat profusely when anxious, considering I am going to be a best

> >man at a wedding this concerns me, the sweat literally pours down 

> >my face and back, obviously the sweat on my back is concealed but 

> >not my face, can anyone suggest some help?

> 

> Drinking sage tea or taking sage extract (salvia officinalis)

> inhibits sweating.  Good for occasional or periodic

> use, but extended use can cause some symptoms of poisoning.

> 

> Caffeine and tobacco increase sweating, so avoid them.



Specifically, sage 'poisoning' in the female of the species will 

consist of various disruptions of the normal [for that individual] 

hormonal cycle, up to and including cessation of lactation.  Sage 

- including smudge - is to be avoided during pregnancy.  It should

not be regarded as a potential abortifacient, as the effects have

been known to reach life-threatening proportions.



-Kyra





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To: PDE <pde@pbennion.u-net.com>

Subject: Re: Sweating : cause anxiety

From: cevin <shadowca@rw2.rworld.com>

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 11:59:58 -0600

--------

On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, PDE wrote:



> I sweat profusely when anxious, considering I am going to be a best

> man at a wedding this concerns me, the sweat literally pours down my

> face and back, obviously the sweat on my back is concealed but not my

> face, can anyone suggest some help?



Sage Tea is supposed to reduce sweating considerably.



dylan oliver

shadowca@rw2.rworld.com











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Subject: klonipin + alternative drugs

From: lnnelson@erols.com

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 00:48:44 GMT

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Is it safe to take the drugs klonipin + Kava Kava root extract at the

same time?

thanks





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Subject: Re: Raw Honey (Bee Pollen)

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 5 Mar 1998 18:56:00 -0700

--------

decroix@dave.home.net (Dave DeCroix) wrote:



>

>I was about to buy some raw honey and saw a warning label about bee

>pollen.  It says that bee pollen may cause infant botulism, and not to

>feed it to children under the age of 1.

  True - their digestive systems can't prevent the bacteria from

colonising and producing toxin.  Adults have better defenses.



>What does this mean for pregnant women?  Is this a concern for the fetus?

  No - your digestive system is capable of defending itself.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Emu Oil.....

From: powells@globalserve.net (K Powell)

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 02:20:43 GMT

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Has anyone heard anything about the benefits of Emu Oil?





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Subject: Re: Emu Oil.....

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 18:22:37 GMT

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On Fri, 06 Mar 1998 02:20:43 GMT, powells@globalserve.net (K Powell)

wrote:



>Has anyone heard anything about the benefits of Emu Oil?



Yes, I've >heard< about the benefits but not found any claims to be

correct!





Steve

--

--------------------------------------------------------

Stephen Wolstenholme:  Neural Network Software

Neural Planner     NeuroDiet      EasyNN

http://www.tropheus.demon.co.uk





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Subject: Re: Emu Oil.....

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 6 Mar 1998 18:08:01 -0700

--------

powells@globalserve.net (K Powell) wrote:



>Has anyone heard anything about the benefits of Emu Oil?



I've heard a lot of suypposed benefits, but all it does is make

your skin greasy.  Much like chicken fat and goose grease.  It's

just bird fat with a low melting point.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: How to use tea tree oil for shingles?

From: K Williams <kwil@bigfoot.com>

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 18:33:35 -0800

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When using tea tree oil on shingles:

1. How should it be applied? Should it be put on full strength? Should 

it be put on a cloth and dabbed on? How should it be administered, 

because it is very strong. 



2. Would there be irritation on the shingles? 



3. Would it be a problem to use it for the long term?



Thanks very much. Please email me as well as posting.



Katherine





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Subject: herb-based magic formulas in the hoodoo tradition

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Thu, 05 Mar 1998 18:34:38 -0800

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I have been a busy little beaver over the past week. In addition to

enjoying the first sunny weather in a month (i live in El Nino Central,

namely northern California), i have written up descriptions the

following traditional hoodoo formulas for herbal dressing oils, floor

washes, incense, sachet powders, and bath crystals. 



NOTE: i make these products for sale, but as usual, the information on

the Lucky W Amulet Archive is free, illustrated, and very extensive, so

glean what you can (i do name some of the "secret" herbs in these

formulas). Then, if you want to give these items a try, you can order

with confidence from me...or make them up yourself in your own kitchen!



The new (and a few newly revised) web pages are



hoodoo spiritual supplies



     http://www.luckymojo.com/hoodoo.html 

          an introduction to African-American hoodoo magic



     http://www.luckymojo.com/oils.html

          using anointing and dressing oils in the hoodoo tradition



     http://www.luckymojo.com/incense.html

          using incense in the hoodoo tradition



     http://www.luckymojo.com/baths.html

          using herb and mineral baths & washes in the hoodoo tradition



     http://www.luckymojo.com/powders.html

          using sachet powders in the hoodoo tradition



     http://www.luckymojo.com/candlemagic.html

          candle burning in the hoodoo tradition



     http://www.luckymojo.com/mojo.html

          mojo hands and conjure bags in the hoodoo tradition



hoodoo spiritual supply formulas



     http://www.luckymojo.com/attraction.html

          Attraction (to bring what you want; also used to bring money)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/blackcat.html

          Black Cat (gambling luck, dark arts, return of a lost lover)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/cometome.html

          Come To Me (to draw a lover of the opposite sex closer)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/compelling.html

          Compelling (to get someone to keep a promise)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/fastuck.html

          Fast Luck (for immediate sexual and money luck)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/followmeboy.html

          Follow Me Boy (to sexually dominate and control a man)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/kissmenow.html

          Kiss Me Now (to rapidly bring about a sexual affair)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/johntheconqueror.html

          John the Conqueror root (aids male nature, increases potency)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/lavenderlove.html

          Lavender Love Drops (for drawing gay and lesbian love and sex)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/lodestone.html

          Lodestone (to draw and attract luck, love,  and money)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/loveme.html

          Love Me (to find permanent love or turn a friend into a lover)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/luckyhand.html

          Lucky Hand (a "helping hand" in gambling, money, and love)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/peacefulhome.html

          Peaceful Home(for a happy marriage or domestic relationship)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/reconciliation.html

          Reconciliation (to repair lovers' spats)



     http://www.luckymojo.com/staywithme.html

          Stay With Me (for conjugal fidelity and marital faithfulness)



catherine yronwode



Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html

The Lucky W Amulet Archive: http://www.luckymojo.com/LuckyW.html  

Sacred Sex: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredsex.html

The Sacred Landscape: http://www.luckymojo.com/sacredland.html

Freemasonry for Women: http://www.luckymojo.com/CoMasonry.html 

Comics Warehouse: http://www.luckymojo.com/comicswarehouse.html 

check out news:alt.lucky.w for folk magic and good luck charms





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Subject: St. John's Wort question

From: emoki@cco.caltech.edu (E. Kiefer)

Date: 6 Mar 1998 04:12:08 GMT

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I was wondering if anyone could tell me if St. John's Wort would have any

bad affects on someone who has high blood pressure, which is controlled

by medication.



Thanks in advance!



-- 

@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

@@@ Eve M. Kiefer @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Pasadena @@@

@@@ emoki@cco.caltech.edu @@@@@@@@@@@ California @@@

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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 6 Mar 1998 18:16:27 GMT

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SJW is an MAO inhibitor.  As such, "in combination with certain foods

and drugs, it may cause dangerously increased blood pressure

(hypertensive crisis).  Those using the herb should follow certain

precautions.  While using SJW, do not take amphetamines, narcotics, the

amino acids tryptophan and tyrosine, diet pills, asthma inhalants,

nasal decongestants, or cold or hay fever medications.  In addition,

don't drink beer, wine, or coffee, or eat salami, yogurt, chocolate,

fava beans, or smoked or pickled items."  

The above is quoted directly from one of my best books.  You already

have a problem with your blood pressure.  Are you willing to give up

all of the above items?  My point is, maybe you had better consider

that, perhaps, the effect of taking SJW may, possibly, over-ride the

prescription that controls your blood pressure.  I have known a couple

of people whose blood pressure sky-rocketed because they did not

eliminate the above items while on SJW.  It may not be the safest herb

for you to take.  There are others.  So, think about it; you will have

to decide.

Delores



E. Kiefer <emoki@cco.caltech.edu> wrote in article

<6dnt2o$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>...

> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if St. John's Wort would have

any

> bad affects on someone who has high blood pressure, which is

controlled

> by medication.

> 

> Thanks in advance!

> 

> -- 

> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

> @@@ Eve M. Kiefer @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@ Pasadena @@@

> @@@ emoki@cco.caltech.edu @@@@@@@@@@@ California @@@

> @@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@

> 





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 7 Mar 1998 00:44:07 GMT

--------

My information is good, up-to-date information and my answer was a good

one, based on that information.  We could debate 'opinions' until the

cows come home, and not 'prove' a thing, so let's just skip the debate,

altogether.

  

My sources are a combination of: My books on herbal medicine, books on

conventional medicine, my personal doctor (conventional), two local

herbal medicine practitioners (to whom people flock from great

distances because they are good at what they do), medical writeups

concerning the latest research findings, human experience (personal,

sometimes), and what I gleen from computer land.  Not all of the

information is in concerning anything and everything.  We always have

more to learn as more research is done, more personal experiences are

gone through --- some reported, some not, etc.

At this point the majority of the medical people agree among themselves

that, even though SJW is a milder MAO than are the standard

prescription drugs, it is still an MAO and should have cautions

attached to its usage.  And, of course, it 

' works like an SSRI', as you said.  Do you know what is in the popular

SSRI called Prozac?  Hypericin.  And what is one of the active

substances in SJW?  Hypericin.



If I think that I can help someone with any of the information that I

have on hand, then I'm going to do my best to try.  Isn't this what we

are here for?  I gave this person good food for thought in the form of

the latest information that I have and questions that I feel he or she

might want to ask herself or himself before making a decision.  Isn't

this, also, what we are here for? 



Once again, read through what I quoted from this particular book (with

which my personal 'conventional' doctor and both of the above-mentioned

'herbal' practitioners whole-heartedly agree because they feel that

they are up on the latest evidence in), and you will notice it says

'may', not ' will' cause dangerously increased blood pressure.  



Of course I know that all people are different in the way they react to

medicines of ANY kind; not just herbal, as you stated.  You, also,

stated that 'there has never been a serious incident reported with the

use of SJW'.  How can you make a statement like that?  My closest

friend, who is only 38 years old, with no signs of heart problems or

clogging of arteries, is one (of two whom I know) who cannot take SJW

because it caused her blood pressure to go from 138/56 to 198/115; and

it held there in that neighborhood until the SJW was out of her system.

 She had never had high blood pressure before the SJW usage and she

hasn't had, again, since getting it completely out of her system. 

Would you call that a coincidence?  Her physician didn't; he attributed

it directly to the SJW, being familiar with the latest research done on

this herb since its popularity has increased so quickly.  Her personal

reaction to taking SJW is certainly not 'controversial'.  (There is one

'serious incident report' for you.)  It appears that your son is one of

the lucky ones who doesn't have bad side effects (God bless him; I'm

glad for that.) and that my friend is one of the unlucky ones.  People

are, indeed, different.

My entire response to the person asking about the SJW was geared

towards prompting him/her to discuss this with his/her physician before

making a decision, since there are certain known risks associated with

this herb.  I sincerely hope that he/she will do this.

Delores



BlessedBy2 <blessedby2@aol.com> wrote in article

<19980306211501.QAA04590@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> X-No-Archive: yes

> >

> >SJW is an MAO inhibitor. 

> 

> Not entirely correct.  SJW works like an SSRI and *some* believe that

it may

> have VERY mild MAOI properties, although some researchers disagree

even with

> that.   The jury is still out.

> 

> > As such, "in combination with certain foods

> >and drugs, it may cause dangerously increased blood pressure

> >(hypertensive crisis).  

> 

> In our personal case, my 9-y.o. son takes more than an adult dose of

SJW and

> follows no dietary restrictions whatsoever and has absolutely no side

effects.

> His diet includes chocolate, yogurt, and many other foods that are

> contraindicated on an MAOI diet ...

> 

> That does NOT mean I'm saying it is safe to take with high blood

pressure.  I

> don't know the answer to that question.

> 

> >Those using the herb should follow certain

> >precautions.  While using SJW, do not take amphetamines, narcotics,

the

> >amino acids tryptophan and tyrosine, diet pills, asthma inhalants,

> >nasal decongestants, or cold or hay fever medications. 

> 

> My son also takes cold medications with no problem. Your Mileage May

Vary ...

> 

> > In addition,

> >don't drink beer, wine, or coffee, or eat salami, yogurt, chocolate,

> >fava beans, or smoked or pickled items."  

> >The above is quoted directly from one of my best books.  

> 

> Unfortunately, there are very few books that cover the bases on SJW

as the

> research is moving along.  I'd recommend you spend more time on the

web and

> less in the books, as there is more up-to-date info on the web about

SJW.

> 

> You already

> >have a problem with your blood pressure.  Are you willing to give up

> >all of the above items?  My point is, maybe you had better consider

> >that, perhaps, the effect of taking SJW may, possibly, over-ride the

> >prescription that controls your blood pressure.  I have known a

couple

> >of people whose blood pressure sky-rocketed because they did not

> >eliminate the above items while on SJW. 

> 

> This is not at all the case in our house.  Each person is different

when it

> comes to herbs.   There has never been a serious incident reported

with the use

> of SJW.  Of course, someone with high blood pressure must be cautious

with any

> number of medications.  How about asking your family physician is you

could

> cautiously try SJW while under his care and monitoring of blood

pressure? If

> the *possibly* and controversial mild MAOI effects of SJW turn out to

be a

> problem for you, you could follow an MAOI diet.

> 

> One thing you should be asking is whether your blood pressure

medication can be

> combined with 1) an SSRI, and 2) a possibly mild MAOI. 

> 

>  It may not be the safest herb

> >for you to take.  There are others.  So, think about it; you will

have

> >to decide.

> >Delores

> >

> >E. Kiefer <emoki@cco.caltech.edu> wrote in article

> ><6dnt2o$lrf@gap.cco.caltech.edu>...

> >> I was wondering if anyone could tell me if St. John's Wort would

have

> >any

> >> bad affects on someone who has high blood pressure, which is

> >controlled

> >> by medication.

> >> 

> >> Thanks in advance!

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: darrinh@mci2000.com (Darrin)

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 22:08:40 -0500

--------

On 7 Mar 1998 00:44:07 GMT, "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com> wrote:



>My information is good, up-to-date information and my answer was a good

>one, based on that information.  We could debate 'opinions' until the

>cows come home, and not 'prove' a thing, so let's just skip the debate,

>altogether.

>  

>My sources are a combination of: My books on herbal medicine, books on

>conventional medicine, my personal doctor (conventional), two local

>herbal medicine practitioners (to whom people flock from great

>distances because they are good at what they do), medical writeups

>concerning the latest research findings, human experience (personal,

>sometimes), and what I gleen from computer land.  Not all of the

>information is in concerning anything and everything.  We always have

>more to learn as more research is done, more personal experiences are

>gone through --- some reported, some not, etc.

>At this point the majority of the medical people agree among themselves

>that, even though SJW is a milder MAO than are the standard

>prescription drugs, it is still an MAO and should have cautions

>attached to its usage.  And, of course, it 

>' works like an SSRI', as you said.  Do you know what is in the popular

>SSRI called Prozac?  Hypericin.  And what is one of the active

>substances in SJW?  Hypericin.

>

>If I think that I can help someone with any of the information that I

>have on hand, then I'm going to do my best to try.  Isn't this what we

>are here for?  I gave this person good food for thought in the form of

>the latest information that I have and questions that I feel he or she

>might want to ask herself or himself before making a decision.  Isn't

>this, also, what we are here for? 

>

>Once again, read through what I quoted from this particular book (with

>which my personal 'conventional' doctor and both of the above-mentioned

>'herbal' practitioners whole-heartedly agree because they feel that

>they are up on the latest evidence in), and you will notice it says

>'may', not ' will' cause dangerously increased blood pressure.  

>

>Of course I know that all people are different in the way they react to

>medicines of ANY kind; not just herbal, as you stated.  You, also,

>stated that 'there has never been a serious incident reported with the

>use of SJW'.  How can you make a statement like that?  My closest

>friend, who is only 38 years old, with no signs of heart problems or

>clogging of arteries, is one (of two whom I know) who cannot take SJW

>because it caused her blood pressure to go from 138/56 to 198/115; and

>it held there in that neighborhood until the SJW was out of her system.

> She had never had high blood pressure before the SJW usage and she

>hasn't had, again, since getting it completely out of her system. 

>Would you call that a coincidence?  Her physician didn't; he attributed

>it directly to the SJW, being familiar with the latest research done on

>this herb since its popularity has increased so quickly.  Her personal

>reaction to taking SJW is certainly not 'controversial'.  (There is one

>'serious incident report' for you.)  It appears that your son is one of

>the lucky ones who doesn't have bad side effects (God bless him; I'm

>glad for that.) and that my friend is one of the unlucky ones.  People

>are, indeed, different.

>My entire response to the person asking about the SJW was geared

>towards prompting him/her to discuss this with his/her physician before

>making a decision, since there are certain known risks associated with

>this herb.  I sincerely hope that he/she will do this.

>Delores

>



I must be lucky too, since I've been taking SJW for 2 years now, and

my blood pressure hasn't changed a bit.



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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 7 Mar 1998 13:47:29 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes



Understanding your points, I think that my point was that this ng is not the

place where one expects to find rhetoric about the dangers of herbs.  SJW is

not dangerous, and your post made it sound like it was.  Your friend with high

blood pressure is proof of that.  Her blood pressure went up while on SJW, but

she's still fine, right??  Of course, we don't have the advantage of knowing

her entire medical history.  I'm not questioning what you say, but each time

I've come across a report of problems with SJW on the internet, closer

conversation with the person reporting the problem has always turned up

something else causing the problem ... for instance, does your friend smoke? 

Interesting research about what nicotine does to neurotransmitters might

explain why some people who smoke report greater problems with SJW vis-a-vis

headaches and blood pressure.  Just an example.  I'm not wanting to debate this

either, but the tone of your post made SJW sound very dangerous.  It's not.  It

is one of the best studied and safest herbs out there.  If you can find a

research paper or documented scientific journal attributing a serious problem

to SJW, please post it here, as some of us scour the web daily in search of

such. 





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 15:09:19 -0800

--------





BlessedBy2 wrote:



> Understanding your points, I think that my point was that this ng is not the

> place where one expects to find rhetoric about the dangers of herbs...



I respectfully disagee, this is exactly where this info. should be posted.  Being

informed of possible contraindications, side effects, whatever...is very

important.  Don't you think most people will judge for themselves based on all the

info. they've gathered?



> SJW is

> not dangerous, and your post made it sound like it was.  Your friend with high

> blood pressure is proof of that.  Her blood pressure went up while on SJW, but

> she's still fine, right??



I say God Bless to someone who might say, Ya  know,  you might want to try such and

such (option)  because I've read (any herb) might cause.....



Look at warning label on OTC meds...might cause drowsiness...avoid driving when

taking this product...you don't say,  hey, I can take Benydryl (for illustrative

purposes only) and drive,  I've done it before and I'm fine.  There are always

different factors at play.



>   I'm not questioning what you say, but each time

> I've come across a report of problems with SJW on the internet, closer

> conversation with the person reporting the problem has always turned up

> something else causing the problem ...



I understand your point.   It seems to be a daily struggle to keep it all

straight.  For instance, Guafenesin makes me sick to my stomach...so is it the

Guafenesin?  Maybe not, it might be all the post nasal junk going down my throat

and sitting in my stomach...or maybe it's because I took too much, doses vary, may

depend on various factors, body weight, empty stomach...you get my point.  In any

case, IMHO, whether you have something positive or negative to post about herbs,

bring it on...I plan on reading the posts and their replies.

Respectfully,

June







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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 7 Mar 1998 22:09:13 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes

>> Understanding your points, I think that my point was that this ng is not

>the

>> place where one expects to find rhetoric about the dangers of herbs...



I should have highlighted the word *rhetoric*, as my intent was to say that the

previous post *sounded* as if SJW was dangerous, when SJW is a pretty safe

herb.  It just reminded me of the kinds of things I hear from Dr.'s who don't

believe in herbs, and I reacted to that.   I agree with what you say below and

I mis-stated my case if it reads that one should not mention negative side

effects of herbs.  It was the *Dangerous-sounding* tone of the SJW post that I

referred to as *rhetoric* ... and that probably wasn't a very good word either

... sometimes I'm in too much of a hurry to remember to choose words carefully.



>I respectfully disagee, this is exactly where this info. should be posted.

>Being

>informed of possible contraindications, side effects, whatever...is very

>important.  Don't you think most people will judge for themselves based on

>all the

>info. they've gathered?







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To: BlessedBy2 <blessedby2@aol.com>

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 21:56:07 -0800

--------





BlessedBy2 wrote:



> <snip

>

> I should have highlighted the word *rhetoric*, as my intent was to say that the

> previous post *sounded* as if SJW was dangerous, when SJW is a pretty safe

> herb.  It just reminded me of the kinds of things I hear from Dr.'s who don't

> believe in herbs, and I reacted to that.



Sorry, I missed that.  Traditional Doctors (well, a good number of them) drive me

nuts.  I really wished they knew as much about alt. treatments as they do about how

to make money   ;-)   , just having alittle fun here.



The buck stops here,

June







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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 7 Mar 1998 19:02:46 GMT

--------

I am, simply, sincerely, hoping that, as is true with me, anyone

ingesting herbs for their medical properties will want to consider both

sides of the coin --- not just the side that shows 'heads', the

possible good benefits, but, also, tails, the possible bad side

effects.  My post simply, and accurately, pointed out that, for some

people, under some circumstances, there can be bad side effects

associated with taking SJW.  Notice that I said 'can be'; the

possibility, obviously, does exist.  Keeping in mind that the active

ingredient in Prozac (hypericin) is the same as one of the ones in SJW

(hypericin and flavonoids), would you consider a PDR (Physicians' Desk

Reference) credible as an information source concerning hypericin? 

This information is backed by research and even they admit that not

enough research has been done and that all of the facts are not yet in.

 Read the warnings and precautions concerning hypericin (called

'fluoxetine hydrochloride' by them).  I don't remember, right now,

whether or not it has warnings concerning blood pressure --- I will

have to look it up again --- but, I do know that there are many other

warnings and precautions mentioned.  If any 'medicine' is powerful

enough to have the potential to help, it, also, is powerful enough to

have the potential to harm under certain circumstances.



The friend I mentioned whose blood pressure went way up while on SJW

had not smoked for quite some time (a couple of years, or so, although,

she has since started smoking again) and did not really have a 'medical

history' of any importance --- only occasional throat infections & flu,

migraines, and hayfever.  Other than these, she had not had any

physical problems, and her blood pressure (frequently monitored) had

always held at a good level.  



I don't pretend to have all of the answers concerning anything;

certainly not --- no more than anyone else does.  I'm on a constant

quest for knowledge, the same as all of us here are, so don't take me

wrong.  You and I will have to 'agree to disagree', as concerns our

opinions on this.  But, that's alright; we can still be friends, right?

 I have no quarrel with you and I do hope that I have not hurt your

feelings in any way.  If I have, I certainly did not set out to do

that, but I will apologize if that is the case.  God bless you!



Delores





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: darrinh@mci2000.com (Darrin)

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 14:24:19 -0500

--------

On 7 Mar 1998 19:02:46 GMT, "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com> wrote:



>I am, simply, sincerely, hoping that, as is true with me, anyone

>ingesting herbs for their medical properties will want to consider both

>sides of the coin --- not just the side that shows 'heads', the

>possible good benefits, but, also, tails, the possible bad side

>effects.  My post simply, and accurately, pointed out that, for some

>people, under some circumstances, there can be bad side effects

>associated with taking SJW.  Notice that I said 'can be'; the

>possibility, obviously, does exist.  Keeping in mind that the active

>ingredient in Prozac (hypericin) is the same as one of the ones in SJW

>(hypericin and flavonoids), would you consider a PDR (Physicians' Desk

>Reference) credible as an information source concerning hypericin? 



Where in the world have you read, that the "active ingredient" in

Prozac, is Hypericin??



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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: darrinh@mci2000.com (Darrin)

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 00:16:25 -0500

--------

On 7 Mar 1998 21:57:16 GMT, "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com> wrote:



>Darrin,

>I did not read it.  My pharmacist surprised me with this bit of

>information many years ago.  Another, whom I called less than five

>minutes ago, for your sake, confirmed it.

>Delores

>

Hmm, interesting. I have read many books and articles on SJW, and

anti-depressants, and this is the first time I've heard Hypericin

being the "active ingredient"  in Prozac.



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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: trh@private.dk

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 05:39:01 -0600

--------

In article <3504503f.105650914@news.supernews.com>,

  darrinh@mci2000.com (Darrin) wrote:

>

> On 7 Mar 1998 21:57:16 GMT, "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com> wrote:

>

> >Darrin,

> >I did not read it.  My pharmacist surprised me with this bit of

> >information many years ago.  Another, whom I called less than five

> >minutes ago, for your sake, confirmed it.

> >Delores

>

> I just searched literally 100's of web pages, and faqs on SJW,

> Prozac, and Hypericin. I can't find a single source, that says Prozac

> contains Hypericin. About the only thing I can find that they have in

> common is, that they work in somewhat the same way, by increasing

> the length of time that levels of serotonin remain active in the

> brain. If Prozac's "active ingredient" was Hypericin, I would think

> that there would be at least ONE source on the Internet, that could

> confirm this.

>

> Darrin's Vegas News and Links

> http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro



Prozac's active ingredient is fluoxetine...and hypericin is only one of many

active ingredients in St.John's Wort



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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: darrinh@mci2000.com (Darrin)

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 12:25:04 -0500

--------

On Sun, 08 Mar 1998 05:39:01 -0600, trh@private.dk wrote:



>

>Prozac's active ingredient is fluoxetine...and hypericin is only one of many

>active ingredients in St.John's Wort

>

Thanks for clearing this up. I knew I wasn't going crazy. <G> Anyway,

here's a list of the major anti-depressants, and their main "active

ingredients":

Nardil (phenelzine)

Paxil  (paroxitine)

Prozac (fluoxitine HCl)

Zoloft (sertraline)

St. John's Wort: (hypericin)



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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: ross_nospam@together.net (Gary Ross)

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 01:04:33 GMT

--------

Ummm... Prozac is a synthetic chemical called fluoxetine. Hhypericin is a 

naturally occuring component of St. John's Wort and is a marker used for 

determining extract potency.  Studied have shown that other compounds SJW 

besides hypericin are bioactive anti-depressants.



Gary



In article <3504503f.105650914@news.supernews.com>, darrinh@mci2000.com 

(Darrin) wrote:

>On 7 Mar 1998 21:57:16 GMT, "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com> wrote:

>

>>Darrin,

>>I did not read it.  My pharmacist surprised me with this bit of

>>information many years ago.  Another, whom I called less than five

>>minutes ago, for your sake, confirmed it.

>>Delores

>

>I just searched literally 100's of web pages, and faqs on SJW, 

>Prozac, and Hypericin. I can't find a single source, that says Prozac

>contains Hypericin. About the only thing I can find that they have in

>common is, that they work in somewhat the same way, by increasing

>the length of time that levels of serotonin remain active in the

>brain. If Prozac's "active ingredient" was Hypericin, I would think

>that there would be at least ONE source on the Internet, that could

>confirm this.

>

>

>

>

>Darrin's Vegas News and Links

>http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro

>





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To: Darrin <darrinh@mci2000.com>

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 01:48:40 -0500

--------

Try this website.  Click in the middle "Go to Hypericum (St. John's

Wort) & Depression" and then click on the link "Introduction".  



http://www.hypericum.com/



Fidget









Darrin wrote:

> 

> On 7 Mar 1998 21:57:16 GMT, "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com> wrote:

> 

> >Darrin,

> >I did not read it.  My pharmacist surprised me with this bit of

> >information many years ago.  Another, whom I called less than five

> >minutes ago, for your sake, confirmed it.

> >Delores

> 

> I just searched literally 100's of web pages, and faqs on SJW,

> Prozac, and Hypericin. I can't find a single source, that says Prozac

> contains Hypericin. About the only thing I can find that they have in

> common is, that they work in somewhat the same way, by increasing

> the length of time that levels of serotonin remain active in the

> brain. If Prozac's "active ingredient" was Hypericin, I would think

> that there would be at least ONE source on the Internet, that could

> confirm this.

> 

> Darrin's Vegas News and Links

> http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:25:41 -0500

--------

lendee wrote in message <01bd4a13$6da4e8c0$a37f5acf@lendee.erinet.com>...

>Keeping in mind that the active

>ingredient in Prozac (hypericin) is the same as one of the ones in SJW

>(hypericin and flavonoids)...(called 'fluoxetine hydrochloride' by them).



My goodness, where did you ever get such an idea?  You had better read more

before you give advice based on such a misconception!



-RJO











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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:42:21 -0800

--------

Call your doctor and ask him/her she/he would let you know what is best

and what you can expect, it beats the I dont knows or maybes!!





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:56:05 -0800

--------

I heard it was safe to use with a perscription anti-depressant.





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort question

From: rzacks@hal-pc.org

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:38:22 -0600

--------

SavanahSmiles@webtv.net wrote:

> 

> I heard it was safe to use with a perscription anti-depressant.



The bottle I looked at today specifically noted "Do not take if taking

an anti-depressant."





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Subject: The Herb Farm ONLINE, includes spiceguide!!!

From: "'t kruidenboerderietje" <kruidenboerderietje@skynet.be>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 13:00:33 +0100

--------

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Subject: Re: Back Pain

From: ravenvvoif@aol.com (RavenVVoIf)

Date: 6 Mar 1998 14:02:10 GMT

--------

In article <01bd4847$bdef5ae0$d3a9fcce@default>, "Frances"

<frances@eagle-net.net> writes:



>If the product worked like you say. Then why cant you tell us on the list.

>Frances

>

>



You are right Frances, and I can tell you all that it is just another gimick.

Having cronic back pain, I was prompted to write them. It is a sales add, so

don't waste your time like I did.



Regretfully,

RavenWolf







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Subject: herbal tinctures

From: moron345@aol.com (Moron345)

Date: 6 Mar 1998 16:06:29 GMT

--------

Could anyone tell me how to make herbal tinctures?  thanks, Lori





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Subject: Re: herbal tinctures

From: "Perry D Haaland" <strategix@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 21:38:32 -0500

--------

I have been making tinctures for about a year and generally feel they are

high quality and worthwhile. Here is my approach



take a clean peanut butter jar (about 16 oz)

chop into small pieces the appropriate FRESH herb

add 70% grain alcohol mix

let sit for 6-8 weeks

decant into dropper bottles - generally produces

about 12 oz of tincture



Some notes: A 60 oz jar generally takes 12 oz of alcohol mix.

I make this up with 3 oz of water and 9 oz of Everclear



Be sure to get the right parts of the herb. Usually you need flowering

plants.



Some people advise agitating the mix a couple of times a day.



When I decant, I use a cloth coffee filter.



If I don't expect to use the tincture quickly, I put most of the tincture

into an 8 oz amber bottle for storage.



Good luck, its fun and easy.

Perry











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Subject: chitosan

From: Vic Matta <vmatta@ev.net>

Date: Fri, 06 Mar 1998 12:55:13 -0500

--------

Anyone heard of any side effects negative or positive on Chitosan?

PLeaseuse e-mail.

TIA,

Vic Matta





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Subject: Re: chitosan

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 6 Mar 1998 18:11:02 -0700

--------

Vic Matta <vmatta@ev.net> wrote:



>Anyone heard of any side effects negative or positive on Chitosan?

>PLeaseuse e-mail.



  Chitosan absorbs fat from food and prevents your body from

absorbing it.  Theoretically that would help you lose weight

because the fat should be excreted intead of heading for the

hips.

   Unfortunately, when the chitosan/fat combination hits the

intestines, the bacteria in the intestines digest the fats and

cause a very gassy, smelly indigestion ... with loose bowel

movements.  It's not pleasant for the victim or those he/she is

near.  To get an idea (cheaply_ of what it is like, eat a large

bag of those "no-fat" Olestra chips. 



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Shingles

From: bass7@webtv.net (stanley hansen)

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 16:35:12 -0600

--------

Can anyone recomend herb treatment for shingles.



   see you on the lake,   john 3:16





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Subject: Re: Shingles

From: "Aloe Vera Studies Organization" <aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:16:11 -0800

--------

Aloe Vera can and does indeed help with Shingles, quickly and effectively.

What many people don't know is that it can (and should be) be taken

internally as well as used externally on the skin.



People who experience Shingles need to look at their life, as well as their

body.  An outbreak of Shingles is usually after/during a time of stress.

(Of course, lifestyle extremes such as smoking and excessive drinking are

contributing factors as well.)  Thus, it's important to take an inventory of

your activities and any factors that contribute stress to your day.  If

possible, remove these factors - if not possible, get help in resolving or

at least learning to live with these factors in a manner in which they are

no longer as stressful.  Herbs and aloe can only go so far, mental attitude;

personal happiness; emotional well-being and some form of spirituality are

significant factors in our body's ability to keep itself well.



The Aloe Vera Studies Organization

http://www.aloe-vera.org



infomaui@mauigateway.com wrote in message

<6dtkh1$e22$2@usenet52.supernews.com>...

>I have read that echinacea, goldenseal and

>elderberry will help your immune system get

>over the shingles faster as long as you eat

>healthy.

>I suggest NOT to take all herbs at once.

>For the sores I heard that aloe vera

>and calendula helps.

>Good Luck, Chris

>

>

>bass7@webtv.net (stanley hansen) wrote:

>

>>Can anyone recomend herb treatment for shingles.

>

>>   see you on the lake,   john 3:16

>

>









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Subject: Re: Shingles

From: c_living@conscious-living.com.au

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:27:23 +0800

--------

I'd just like to confirm the info the Aloe Vera Studies Organization has

posted. I've had shingles a few times and Aloe Vera is fantastic. I'd

suggest part of an old and wise plant kept in the fridge and applying the

gel externally. Lots of relief. The ointments doctors prescribe could drive

you nuts. Aloe is soothing, relieves the itching, helps the skin heal and

prevents scarring.





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Subject: Re: Restless Legs

From: Cmy@sig.4address (Lee)

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 02:14:56 GMT

--------

On 25 Feb 1998 18:36:17 GMT, ravenvvoif@aol.com (RavenVVoIf) wrote:



-=>In article <19980225002200.TAA23733@ladder02.news.aol.com>, savory321@aol.com

-=>(Savory321) writes:

-=>

-=>>"restless legs"thing???? well, a

-=>doctor in germany told me it was hormones.

-=>

-=>Could be. My doctor told me it was nerves. I was going through a rough time

-=>when it started for me. <grins> I didn't know it had a name though. Anyway, I

-=>have found that if I can relax deeply, it don't happen. What I do? A nice cup

-=>of whatever hot tea I want that relaxed me...... along with a hot bath in

-=>lavender oil. Also, the heat  thing for the legs work for me.... but I have to

-=>leave one foot hanging out for some reason.



My RLS was caused by a B12 deficiency.  A simple blood test can detect

it.



Victoria "Lee"

haxton@scican.net





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Subject: Re: Restless Legs

From: hhealth@global.co.za.X

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:48:17 GMT

--------

It's interesting to me to note that >Susan< mentioned the toxima

aspect.  I rarely wake up from restless legs, but I do have little

control over them when I have overindulged - be it food or caffeine

cold drinks, more than 1 - 2 glasses of red wine, any spirits, and

also lack of sleep and exercise, etc.  The feeling around my bladder

area is like that of being poisoned.  If I know we're heading for an

indulgent-phase - I make sure to drink copious amounts of water along

with whatever we are doing - seems to dilute things somewhat.



Susan Dolan <sdolan@ne.uswest.net> wrote:



>My grandfather was a pharmacist.  When younger, I had a 'restless leg' and

>grandfather told me it was symptomatic of toxima.  Is this lady taking a

>medication, possibly, that she's allergic to?  It may well be worth looking into.

>Susan

>

>Victor06 wrote:

>

>> I have a customer who would like some alternative suggestions with herbs in

>> regard to her restless leg syndrome.  She states her mother had this same

>> condition and her Dr cannot recommend anything.  She wakes up in the night with

>> this & states it feels like little tingles inside her calf muscles.  This is

>> not night leg cramps, which Gingko/Gota Kola work well to stop.  Suggestions?

>> Please post & email me mail, as I probably will forget to check back in

>> here...Thanks!

>> alt.folklore.herbs

>

>

>

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Subject: St. John's Wort FAQ

From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 03:29:40 +0100 (MET)

--------

An extensive FAQ on St. John's Wort is located at: 

http://www.primenet.com/~camilla/STJOHNS.FAQ 



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Subject: St. John's Wort FAQ

From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 00:23:58 +0100 (MET)

--------

An extensive FAQ on St. John's Wort is located at: 

http://www.primenet.com/~camilla/STJOHNS.FAQ 



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Subject: lichen sclerosis et atrophicus/circumscribed morphea on legs

From: <user@msn.com>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 10:25:00 -0500

--------

Any herbs for this?



Thanks.









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Subject: Re: Herbs

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 7 Mar 1998 15:47:46 GMT

--------

Andrew Gartner (amg@worldlynx.net) wrote:

:A List of 500 different herbs 4sale, online at 

:http://www.pennherb.com/Herb_store/web_store.cgi



Your prices are *way* off.  I'd say they're about 30 to 40% higher than what

one finds at a typical herbal retail outlet - certainly the one I go to. Nex





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        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

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Subject: Re: Herbs

From: mk95528@aol.com (Mk95528)

Date: 7 Mar 1998 15:51:16 GMT

--------

About time Penn Herb started a web page. Hope they can be up and running good

with herbal info and their wares in a few months. Love their herbs and various

products, etc., they have. Especially the Obias Herbal Bath (wash my hair with

it) (-;



Margie

http://members.aol.com/mk95528/rarebooks.html









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Subject: Anyone know how to make incenses?

From: "Preferred Customer" <drmiczak@myhost.com>

Date: 7 Mar 1998 17:21:01 GMT

--------

I have some recipes of my own but I was wondering if anyone out there has

any *safe* recipes that one can make at home?  Please e-mail me back w/

info at: bijork@rocketmail.com   Please don't give me an incense company...

I want to make it myself!  Thanx all :-)

-Marie





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Subject: Re: Anyone know how to make incenses?

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 10 Mar 1998 20:14:58 GMT

--------

some of the simplest incense are to simply place dried herbs on a smouldering

charcoal block





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html









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Subject: rhodiola!

From: Zero@nowhere.net (Zero)

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 17:36:19 GMT

--------

Can anyone give info on this herb?  I would very much appreciate it as

I have some and want to know the uses etc.  Thanks.



Zero









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Subject: Re: rhodiola!

From: Cairis <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 19:06:30 -0500

--------

Rhodiola rosea is commonly called "Midsummer Men".

It's kind of a bush herb with yellow flowers that don't have much of a

scent.  Flowers in the summer.  The dried root smells like roses.

It has a long, kind of gangly stem with alternate leaves.



It's basically an Arctic plant used for salads etc...or using the dried

root for perfumes or rosewater...or like an airfreshener.



In Siberia it's known as Golden Root and is infused for coughs and as a

pain reliever.  It can cause a "hangover" type effect if used in excess.



Cairis







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Subject: Re: Cat's Claw

From: Cmy@sig.4address (Lee)

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 20:34:23 GMT

--------

On Sat, 28 Feb 1998 14:35:16 GMT, ross_nospam@together.net (Gary Ross)

wrote:



-=>I'm looking for (rational) information on the effectiveness of Cat's Claw 

-=>(Unicaria tormentosa) as an anit-inflammatory.  Specifically for inflammatory 

-=>bowel disease, arthritis and ocular inflammation.  Most interested in 

-=>scholarly references (I'll hit MedLine in a few minutes).  Thanks.



There have been studies done on Cat's Claw.  The reason I know is my

doctor told me about them.  I think he said most of them were done in

Europe.  I've taken it for arthritis and it did help a LOT.



As far as IBS I've found meditation helps about as much as anything.

But I know mine is due to spasms in the bowel - thus if I can relax

the bowel the spasms quit.



Good luck.







Victoria "Lee"

haxton@scican.net





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Subject: St John's Wort and Tanning

From: mez@idirect.com (Bob Mez)

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:57:27 GMT

--------

I am going to Mexico the week of March 16 for a well deserved

vacation. I have been taking St Johns Wort for 2 months. I have heard

that St Johns Wort may cause sensitivity to the sun. What does this

mean? I will burn easily? I will break out in a rash? How long do I

have to be off St Johns Wort before the negative effects of the sun

will not be a concern?





==========

Subject: Re: St John's Wort and Tanning

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 8 Mar 1998 05:07:06 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes

>I am going to Mexico the week of March 16 for a well deserved

>vacation. I have been taking St Johns Wort for 2 months. I have heard

>that St Johns Wort may cause sensitivity to the sun. What does this

>mean? I will burn easily? I will break out in a rash? How long do I

>have to be off St Johns Wort before the negative effects of the sun

>will not be a concern?



My son, on an adult's dose of SJW,  was in the Caribbean for a week with no

problem whatsoever.  I have read scattered reports of some people burning more

easily, but other reports that the only danger of photsensitivity was to sheep

who grazed on SJW all day long.  Just be careful with your sunscreen (take it

with you, as some touristy places sell sunscreen that is NOT waterproof, as I

inadvertently discovered once - ouch!!)





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Subject: Re: St John's Wort and Tanning

From: christie29@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:14:20 -0500

--------

my sister and i both were in fla while taking this no problems i heard

causes probs in sheep!



she's like a cat in the dark,then she is the darkness.... >^-.-^<

                     





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Subject: Re: St John's Wort and Tanning

From: darrinh@mci2000.com (Darrin)

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 00:23:47 -0500

--------

On Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:57:27 GMT, mez@idirect.com (Bob Mez) wrote:



>I am going to Mexico the week of March 16 for a well deserved

>vacation. I have been taking St Johns Wort for 2 months. I have heard

>that St Johns Wort may cause sensitivity to the sun. What does this

>mean? I will burn easily? I will break out in a rash? How long do I

>have to be off St Johns Wort before the negative effects of the sun

>will not be a concern?



AFAIK from what I've read, photosensitivity is not a problem in

humans. In fact, one article I read states "there has never been a

single case of SJW causing photosensitivity in humans."  It has been

reported to be a problem with cows eating the flower in the wild. I've

been taking it for 2 years now, have fair skin, spend my entire summer

in the sun, and have never had a problem. 





Darrin's Vegas News and Links

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro







==========

Subject: Re: St John's Wort and Tanning

From: Deb Skinner <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:38:01 GMT

--------





Darrin wrote:



> On Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:57:27 GMT, mez@idirect.com (Bob Mez) wrote:

>

> >I am going to Mexico the week of March 16 for a well deserved

> >vacation. I have been taking St Johns Wort for 2 months. I have heard

> >that St Johns Wort may cause sensitivity to the sun. What does this

> >mean? I will burn easily? I will break out in a rash? How long do I

> >have to be off St Johns Wort before the negative effects of the sun

> >will not be a concern?

>

> AFAIK from what I've read, photosensitivity is not a problem in

> humans. In fact, one article I read states "there has never been a

> single case of SJW causing photosensitivity in humans."  It has been

> reported to be a problem with cows eating the flower in the wild. I've

> been taking it for 2 years now, have fair skin, spend my entire summer

> in the sun, and have never had a problem.

>

> Darrin's Vegas News and Links

> http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro



 My experience has been as the above.  In fact, my first use of SJW was

while in Mexico one summer, I broke out with a rash and my sis had some

SJW salve that we tried on it.  Not only did the rash clear up, but I

didn't burn on that leg.  I don't know what else might have been in the

salve--probably calendula and olive oil.



One thing my ND pointed out, SJW will sometimes, for some people, increase

their sensitivity to light.  This is why it works so well for me for

seasonal depression.  I have noticed that I need to wear sunglasses more

often while taking SJW than I did before.  Of course, it could have

something to do with the ozone layer depletion also.  ;>



Deb



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Subject: Re: St John's Wort and Tanning

From: "Syd Baumel" <sgb@escape.ca>

Date: 09 Mar 98 14:24:45 -0600

--------

>On Sat, 07 Mar 1998 23:57:27 GMT, mez@idirect.com (Bob Mez) wrote:



>>I am going to Mexico the week of March 16 for a well deserved

>>vacation. I have been taking St Johns Wort for 2 months. I have heard

>>that St Johns Wort may cause sensitivity to the sun. What does this

>>mean? I will burn easily? I will break out in a rash? How long do I

>>have to be off St Johns Wort before the negative effects of the sun

>>will not be a concern?



>AFAIK from what I've read, photosensitivity is not a problem in

>humans. In fact, one article I read states "there has never been a

>single case of SJW causing photosensitivity in humans."  It has been

>reported to be a problem with cows eating the flower in the wild. I've

>been taking it for 2 years now, have fair skin, spend my entire summer

>in the sun, and have never had a problem.





>Darrin's Vegas News and Links

>http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro



One naturopath on the phytopharmacognosy mailing list has seen or heard of

a few photosensitivity reactions in people taking ordinary dosages of SJW,

so it may not be that rare.  But I don't think it's anything for a

vacationer to be alarmed about.



Syd



                                     ****



                                  Syd Baumel

      Dealing With Depression Naturally (Keats Publishing Inc., 1995)







==========

Subject: Re: St John's Wort and Tanning

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 8 Mar 1998 12:51:01 -0700

--------

mez@idirect.com (Bob Mez) wrote:



>I am going to Mexico the week of March 16 for a well deserved

>vacation. I have been taking St Johns Wort for 2 months. I have heard

>that St Johns Wort may cause sensitivity to the sun. What does this

>mean? I will burn easily? I will break out in a rash? How long do I

>have to be off St Johns Wort before the negative effects of the sun

>will not be a concern?



  The reports of photosensitivity I could find were of grazing

animals (they eat a LOT of SJW) and persons taking really big

doses.

  Use sunscreen fanatically, expose yourself to the sun sensibly,

stay out of the mid-day sun, and enjoy yourself.  For a safe

snack while shopping, buy bread or cookies from a bakery.

  Start taking lactobacillus tablets NOW and take some with you

to continue taking them. It prevents a lot of the travellers

indigestion problems.  Be reasonable with your eating and

drinking: I've seen people wolf down large meals, guzzle lots of

booze, party all night and then blame it on "the water". Water!

It was just a hangover.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

To: Bob Mez <mez@idirect.com>

Subject: Re: St John's Wort and Tanning

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:27:56 -0500

--------

I think the key work in your inquiry about St. Johnswort and 

suntanning is sun. you might have to be somewhat cautious about having 

taken this herb and then expossing yourself to the sun but i would 

outright worry about overexposure to the sun and counting on a 

sunscreen for protection against the long term harmful effects.



rosemarie





==========

To: Bob Mez <mez@idirect.com>

Subject: Re: St John's Wort and Tanning

From: German Michael Brewster <romeo-rising@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:28:40 -0500

--------





Bob Mez wrote:



> I am going to Mexico the week of March 16 for a well deserved

> vacation. I have been taking St Johns Wort for 2 months. I have heard

> that St Johns Wort may cause sensitivity to the sun. What does this

> mean? I will burn easily? I will break out in a rash? How long do I

> have to be off St Johns Wort before the negative effects of the sun

> will not be a concern?



  I had a problem with St. Johns about 5 months ago. I started taking it

(300 mg a day) and within four days I had broken out in hives in the

under arm area. I stopped taking it and the hives went away quickly. This

was caused, I believe, not because it made me extremely sensitive to

sunlight, but it made me sensitive to heat. I live in Florida and it can

get pretty hot. I've never broken out in my life and I haven't since.

    However, I read of a similar case who had tried taking the St. Johns

Wort again af ter his initial break out. He started with very small doses

(50mg a day) and let his body adjust to it slowly. I did the exact same

thing. Started with 50 mg and have now worked my way up to 300mg a day

with no adverse results.



    Hope this helps. Have a great time on your vacation.



German







==========

Subject: Saw Palmetto/Heart Palpitations

From: bacon <bacon@utah.uswest.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 21:03:56 -0600

--------

Does Saw Palmetto have an effect on heart palpitations?  I've noticed

a large decrease in nervous heart palpitations when on Saw Palmetto. 

Took a trip to Seattle a while back and didn't take 'em for a week and

my palpitations came back.  Started taking 'em again and the

palpitations are gone (except after severe physical exertion).  Is this

just a coincidence, or could they be having an effect?



Bacon





==========

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto/Heart Palpitations

From: <asechesan@ameritech.com>

Date: 9 Mar 1998 02:29:12 GMT

--------

By heart palpitations do you mean a faster heart beat or skipped beats?



Thanks for your reply



Adrian





bacon <bacon@utah.uswest.net> wrote in article

<35020A7F.5794@utah.uswest.net>...

> Does Saw Palmetto have an effect on heart palpitations?  I've noticed

> a large decrease in nervous heart palpitations when on Saw Palmetto. 

> Took a trip to Seattle a while back and didn't take 'em for a week and

> my palpitations came back.  Started taking 'em again and the

> palpitations are gone (except after severe physical exertion).  Is this

> just a coincidence, or could they be having an effect?

> 

> Bacon

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto/Heart Palpitations

From: bacon <bacon@utah.uswest.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 00:01:07 -0600

--------

>By heart palpitations do you mean a faster heart beat or skipped

beats?

>

>Thanks for your reply

>

>Adrian



  Heart palpatations are actually an irregular heartbeat.  Two quick

beats followed by a space which makes it seem like a skipped beat.  It

is usually accompanied by a strange feeling, some compare it to cresting

a hill on a roller coaster.  It's not that dramatic for me, but I can

see where the comparison is valid.



Bacon





==========

To: bacon@utah.uswest.net

Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto/Heart Palpitations

From: Jonathan Byron <jbyron@junix.ju.edu>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 08:59:34 -0500

--------

Saw palmetto has sterols and oils that improve the bodies ability to

process fats; palmetto also reduces the conversion of testosterone into

a toxic by-product (hydroxy-testosterone).  I wouldn't be at all

suprised if palmetto might reduce some people's symptoms of "other

diseases" through improvement of the metabolism. I haven't seen palmetto

listed as a specific treatment for palpitations, but wouldn't be

surprised if this type of crossover protection occurs in some people. 









bacon wrote:

> 

> Does Saw Palmetto have an effect on heart palpitations?  I've noticed

> a large decrease in nervous heart palpitations when on Saw Palmetto.

> Took a trip to Seattle a while back and didn't take 'em for a week and

> my palpitations came back.  Started taking 'em again and the

> palpitations are gone (except after severe physical exertion).  Is this

> just a coincidence, or could they be having an effect?

> 

> Bacon





==========

Subject: New Book Review

From: "Bob Cortez" <bobak@eagle.ptialaska.net>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 20:25:59 -0900

--------

"I am so pleased to have had the opportunity to read "From MS to

Wellness." Betty's story is riveting. It's so very rich! I will

reread it often, underlining, highlighting, making notes, and

reviewing. Most importantly, I will be implementing many of

Betty's tools for healing. I do not have MS, but I do have areas

in my life that need my attention. Thank you Betty."



Vicki Tripp, "Godling!"



http://www.galaxymall.com/info/ms/ For a free preview of the

first two chapters.













==========

Subject: Dealing with eczema [LONG, but THOROUGH] (was: Late onset eczema?)

From: "M.Joseph" <mjoseph3@julian.uwo.ca>

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 00:38:47 -0500

--------

Hi,

 I've had atopic dermatitis (eczema) all of my 21 years, so I can tell

you a fair bit. First, talk to your family doctor, and tell him or her you

would like to have allergy tests done. Perhaps you've recently encountered

something new that you're allergic to, or perhaps it's contact dermatitis,

or you've developed a sensitivity to something you've been using for a long

time (ie: latex gloves). If so, you can find out what it is, and avoid it.

 Second, high-level cortisones are indeed dangerous and skin-damaging

over long periods of time, but it is important that _if_ that is a route

your doctor, or dermatologist recommends, that you seriously talk it over

with your doctor (ie: what cortisones, and how long the usage would be),

and then get a second opinion. I have a great dermatologist who uses

cortisones very sparingly with me, and I've had no adverse reactions such as

thickening of the skin, or excessive hair growth, but I know a lot of people

who can't say the same thing. Still, if you can stay away from it, do. It

is a known carcinogen over a _very_ long period of time, but truthfully, in

the short term it is rather safe, again if it is used correctly.

 Third, if you decide that cortisone is not the route for you, or you

want something in addition to the cortisone, which is what I do, so I don't

rely on it so much, then try and get in contact with a homeopathic doctor in

your community. Again, this is something you will have to try out. Some

are good, some are not. If you know of a good herbalist store, or natural

food store, try and ask around for recommendations. Acupunture is also a

route you may want to consider, but be aware that it is very expensive, and

it can take a long period of time. I went three times a week for eight

months, and saw no change, and eventually, the pain got so bad I could not

continue. It doesn't hurt the first little while, but in my case, it

definitely did later. Don't believe anyone who tells you acupuncture

doesn't hurt. But, if it's important to you, and it works, then do it. I

do not discount it, even though it didn't work for me. Acupuncture is a

valid form of treating illnesses.

 Fourth, I use evening primrose oil topically. I don't ingest it,

because for some reason, it makes me nauseous. At least the name brand

Efamol does. If you want to try it, do so, but it is also very effective as

a topical moisturizer. Find out whatever works best for you. I can

honestly say that the health of my skin has a lot to do with Evening

Primrose Oil. I think it unwise to say it will cure your dermatitis.

Nothing can cure dermatitis, but if it is stimulated by some allergen, then

it can be virtually unnoticable, if at all, and cause little if any trouble

for you, as long as you avoid that allergen. Internally, I take Flax Seed

Oil, which is a great fatty acid. And, most importantly drink tons of

water.

 If you have any questions, feel free to reply to me personally.

-M.Joseph





Claire Little wrote:



> Hi folks

>

> I just wondered if anyone had any suggestions for helping with my

> eczema. I am 23, have never had it before and there has never been any

> history of it in the family.

>

> It started about 2 months ago, just covering the sides of my fingers,

> and had now spread to the whole of the fingers on my right hand, but not

> the left. It doesn't itch or hurt, the skin just peels a lot.

>

> I'm reluctant to go down the steroid creams route, and would prefer to

> try an alternative remedy.

>

> Thanks in advance for any help

>

> Claire











==========

Subject: Papaya enzyme

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 21:58:48 -0800

--------

Anyone have any info. or experience using Papaya enzyme tablets

dissolved between the cheek and gum to aid w/sinus problems?  Thanks



The mind is like a parachute,

it only functions when it's open.

June







==========

Subject: Re: Papaya enzyme

From: ETW fan <LPGAtour@wannabe.com>

Date: Sat, 07 Mar 1998 21:27:34 -0600

--------

x-no-archive: yes



My health food provider suggested that I use Papaya enzyme tablets for

aiding digestion.  I've never known them to be used of sinusitis.







HOLLIDAY wrote:

> 

> Anyone have any info. or experience using Papaya enzyme tablets

> dissolved between the cheek and gum to aid w/sinus problems?  Thanks

> 

> The mind is like a parachute,

> it only functions when it's open.

> June



--





==========

Subject: Re: Papaya enzyme

From: Deb Skinner <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 08:41:22 GMT

--------





HOLLIDAY wrote:



> Anyone have any info. or experience using Papaya enzyme tablets

> dissolved between the cheek and gum to aid w/sinus problems?  Thanks

>

> The mind is like a parachute,

> it only functions when it's open.

> June





This is recommended by one of the doctors that frequent

alt.support.sinusitius   Since I read it there, I have tried it on many

occasions and if I did it more often I'm sure I would breathe better.

;>



It works for me, ymmv



Deb

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==========

Subject: geranium maculatum

From: AutumnCrystal GreyWing <wicca@cdh.net>

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 10:39:51 -0500

--------

Hi

Would anyone know of folklore regarding Geranium maculatum, Cranesbill?

Any help will be appreciated.



Thanks

AutumnCrystal



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welcomes visitors at

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4177/index.html









==========

Subject: Re: geranium maculatum

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:46:00 -0600

--------

History and Folklore:

Native American people used American cranesbill for sore throats, canker sores, infected gums, and oral thrush. The herb was later used by European settlers for diarrhea, internal bleeding, cholera, and venereal diseases.



Medicinal Actions and Uses:

An astringent and clotting agent, American cranesbill is used today much as in earlier times. The herb is often prescribed for irritable bowel syndrome and hemorrhoids, and it is used to staunch wounds. It may also be used to treat heavy menstrual bleeding and excessive vaginal discharge.



Caution:

American cranesbill should only be taken for a few weeks at a time.





Kay

 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



AutumnCrystal GreyWing wrote in message <3502BBC7.62FD8D64@cdh.net>...

>Hi

>Would anyone know of folklore regarding Geranium maculatum, Cranesbill?

>Any help will be appreciated.

>

>Thanks

>AutumnCrystal

>

>--

>The Manor-House for Wiccan Studies

>welcomes visitors at

>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/4177/index.html

>

>







==========

Subject: Late Herbalist

From: neduke@aol.com (NEDuke)

Date: 8 Mar 1998 16:39:54 GMT

--------

Hi people!  I've never been here before. Nice to find this group an be among

you.

I have a question.  There was a man, a famous herbalist, who died in 1996 or

1997.  He was also famous for writing many herbalis books.  I would like to

find his work, but can't remember his name.  Can anyone help me?



Best Wishes,

Gary Grube

NEDuke@aol.com 





==========

Subject: Re: Late Herbalist

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Sun, 08 Mar 1998 19:41:57 -0500

--------

A little more information might help. What aspect of herbalism was he 

known for; medicinal, magical? Could you be looking for Scott 

Cunningham?





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Subject: Re: Late Herbalist

From: "wize2u" <wize2u@erasethisdirect.ca>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:29:06 GMT

--------



NEDuke wrote in message <19980308163900.LAA02896@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>I have a question.  There was a man, a famous herbalist, who died in 1996

or

>1997. (snip) He was also famous for writing many herbalis books>Best

Wishes,

>Gary Grube

>NEDuke@aol.com

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Scott Cunningham was a famous herbalist (and wiccan) who died in 1996. He

wrote:Cunningham's Encyclopedia of Magical Herbs, Magical herbalism, The

Complete Book of Incense,Oils and Brews, and made a Video called Herb Magic.

He was extremely knowledgable on all aspects of herb lore.  This may be who

your looking for. Hope this helps.

Wize









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Subject: Re: Late Herbalist

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 02:37:48 GMT

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Euall Gibbons?





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Subject: INFO NEEDED

From: Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net>

Date: 9 Mar 1998 11:42:58 GMT

--------

I would like to purchase a book that describes in plain English what

each herb does for the body.  I will be going to the bookstore this week

and would like to pick one up........suggestions?



Cindi





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To: "smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net

Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED

From: Jo Shnell <shnell@edumaster.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:32:08 GMT

--------

I like The Herb Bible by Earl Mindell



Jo



Cindi and Jeff Smith wrote:



> I would like to purchase a book that describes in plain English what

> each herb does for the body.  I will be going to the bookstore this week

> and would like to pick one up........suggestions?

>

> Cindi











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Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED

From: mk95528@aol.com (Mk95528)

Date: 10 Mar 1998 08:04:09 GMT

--------

>> I would like to purchase a book that describes in plain English what

>> each herb does for the body.  I will be going to the bookstore this week

>> and would like to pick one up........suggestions?



The two below are the ones that come to mind right off the bat. The paperback

by John Lust is a REAL BUY for $6.00 or so and you cant go wrong with it. You

might want to go to a large health food store to get your herb books. Otherwise

you will probably have to order it.  Plus you are helping to support them (-:

There are many out there but these are probably the ones you are looking for.

For now you can download a free electronic book (.txt) from our web site if you

want. You can open and print the data using your word processor. Look around

all the antique files for "nature.zip". Unzipped to turns into nature.txt.

Scroll towards the bottom of our Web page and click on "sample text files"

(blue line). This will take you to our FTP site. Good luck with your research. 



Sincerely;

Margie

http://members.aol.com/mk95528/rarebooks.html

 

The Herb Book, by John Lust

Back to Eden, by Jethro Kloss









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Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 11 Mar 98 04:18:28 GMT

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Mk95528 <mk95528@aol.com> wrote:

>>> I would like to purchase a book that describes in plain English what

>>> each herb does for the body.  I will be going to the bookstore this week

>>> and would like to pick one up........suggestions?

>

>The two below are the ones that come to mind right off the bat. The paperback

>by John Lust is a REAL BUY for $6.00 or so and you cant go wrong with it. You

>might want to go to a large health food store to get your herb books. Otherwise

>you will probably have to order it.  Plus you are helping to support them (-:

> 

>The Herb Book, by John Lust



I'd like to second the opinion for John Lust's book for

beginners.  It's available in paperback, and usually can be found

in bookstores.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED

From: Kenneth & Geraldine Mohler <dimunltd@swva.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 23:27:39 -0500

--------

Try "Back To Eden" by Jethro Kloss



--

Kenneth & Geraldine Mohler

***********************************************************************

2 years of chronic back pain gone in two weeks!

http://www.swva.net/dimunltd/testimony.html

Email or phone 540-382-1761 (No mornings or weekends, please)

***********************************************************************









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Subject: Re: INFO NEEDED

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 02:35:54 GMT

--------

Hello---2 great books I have come across that I use for reference purposes are

"A Modern Herbal", by Mrs.M. Grieve---a 2 volume set which you can purchase in

paperback---wonderful reference book.Another book I like to peruse and is a

easy read is Michael Tierra's " The Way of Herbs"-----a nice , small book also

available in paperback.A great book for women is Rosemary Gladstar's"Herbal

Healing for Women". GREAT book--I recommend it for anyone just starting out

with herbs---and you must get Petersen's Guide to Medicinal Plants---easy to

carry with you as you walk  the wilds of nature.Good luck--have fun!





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Subject: Re: Stress help needed!!!--Marijuana

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:58:17 -0600

--------

Constituents: Marijuana contains over 60 different types of cannabinoids, including THC (delta 9-tetrahydrocannabinol). It also contains flavonoids, volatile oil, and alkaloids. It is the only plant to contain THC, one of the main psychoactive constituents.



History and Folklore: In ancient Egypt, marijuana was used to treat inflammations of the eye and "to cool the uterus." First records of marijuana's use in India date back to about 800 BC, where it was recommended for congestion. Marijuana also appears in Chinese medicinal literature, in the Divine Husbandman's Classic (Shen'nong Bencaojing), written in the 1st century AD. It was described as a treatment for "female weakness, gout, rheumatism, malaria, beri-beri, constipation, and absentmindedness." By the 3rd century AD, the leaves were taken in an infusion or eaten whole as an analgesic to relieve pain during surgery. Famously, Queen Victoria took marijuana as an analgesic--in the 19th century the plant was a standard painkiller for menstrual pain and cramps. From 1840 to 1900, over 100 papers were published recommending marijuana as a medicine.



Medicinal Actions and Uses: Marijuana has been recommended for almost every illness. As an analgesic, it appears to relieve pain with minimal side effects, being particularly helpful for cancer and AIDS patients undergoing chemotherapy. Sufferers of multiple sclerosis, cerebral palsy, and other muscular illnesses, marijuana can reduce neurological overactivity and muscle spasm. It provides effective treatment for glaucoma and lowers blood pressure. It relieves asthma, menstrual pains, pain of childbirth, and pain due to arthritis and rheumatism. It may have value as an anti-depressant. It encourages and induces sleep. The seeds are used in Chinese medicine as a laxative.



Research: " Modern research shows marijuana to be an effective analgesic, sedative, and anti-inflammatory agent. Research has focused on the constituent THC, but it is clear that the complex of constituents within marijuana has a significantly wider range of applications."



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Israel Iam wrote in message <6e001t$3uh2$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...

>If your looking for the truth,I'll tell you,if not,your more than welcome

>seeking advice elsewhere.The best,and most famous herb for your problem is

>cannibis.Not only will it calm stress,it will also help you sleep at

>night.You can continue trying useless remedies,but none of them will work

>like cannibis ativa.The truth will set you free.Free from not just your

>medical condition,but also oppression to this herb.Cannibis is the king of

>herbs,because it has the most,and effective properties,from

>medicinal,physical,as well as,spiritual.The herb cannibis ativa is just

>that,an herb.It's unlawful to make an herb this powerful,and

>essential,illegal.Herb is not a drug.Keep it real!

>

>James&Jane SchindlerOrd wrote in message ...

>>

>>

>>Can anyone recommend herbal remedies for stress.  I am looking for

>something

>>to calm me down and help me sleep at night.  I am so tired and energy-less

>>all day, but as soon as I get into bed at night I am wide awake.  >

>>.

>>james6@|SPAM_ME_NOT|waveland.org

>>Help build a world wide environmental network at,

>>www.waveland.org

>>

>

>

>

>







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Subject: Re: Tape Worms in Cats

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:45:11 -0600

--------

Mix 1/2 teaspoon garlic powder and a pinch of cloves; sprinkle on food daily until worms are gone. 

Try garlic, mullein/myrrh blend; echinacea with black walnut extract diluted in water, or mugwort tea.



Hope that will help you out.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Help needed

From: Zero@nowhere.net (Zero)

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 15:30:11 GMT

--------

Could anyone here tell me what exactly "rhodiola" is and do you know

if it is a safe supplement to take.  I would appreciate any feedback.

Thank you.



Randi









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Subject: bok fan

From: nospam@nospam.com

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:35:24 GMT

--------

Is anyone familiar with a Chinese herb called bok fan?  If so what is

it used for?  Is it available in the US?

I would appreciate any information that you can give.



Thank you.

 

Slan,

Eileen



e-mail:  lurgan@usnetway.com













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Subject: Tea and antioxidants

From: dmarx@prodigy.net

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 17:13:01 -0600

--------

Green tea and oolong black tea are known for thir anti-oxidant effects.

Does this also apply to the decaffeinated versions?

Thank you,

Jim



-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading





==========

To: dmarx@prodigy.net

Subject: Re: Tea and antioxidants

From: Jonathan Byron <jbyron@junix.ju.edu>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:30:38 -0500

--------

Decaffeinated tea should still have anti-oxidant properties - it isn't

the caffeine that has antioxidant properties. The process used to remove

the caffeine might reduce the amount of catechins somewhat, but green

and oolong teas have about 20-30% catechins by dry weight, so some

should remain.  



Caffeine is a bitter component in the taste of tea, while the catechins

are said to add astringency. If the decaf tea has no astringency, that

could be a sign that the anti-oxidants were removed. 



Jonathan 





dmarx@prodigy.net wrote:

> 

> Green tea and oolong black tea are known for thir anti-oxidant effects.

> Does this also apply to the decaffeinated versions?

> Thank you,

> Jim

> 

> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading





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Subject: DHEA and The Prostate

From: nomad8@webtv.net (Allan Gorochow)

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:26:00 -0500

--------

I am 64 years of age and have decided to take 25mg of Dhea each day.  I

have checked into the nutrient's effects and have come up with

conflicting information about an adverse prostate reaction.



 I have Benign Prostate Hypertrophy.(BPH) an enlarged prostate, like

almost all men my age.    One source claims  that I should NOT  use DHEA

as it creates testerone that may cause further enlargement of the

prostate and possibly lead to cancer.



Another source mentions I should not use DHEA  only if I have serious

BPH problems or am cancer prone.  



What is the real story?     Should I use less of the product or none at

all?     If BPH is adversely affected by DHEA  than this would limit its

usage by most men over the age of fifty.



                                                                                                                                              

 

                                                                                     

            

 

              

          

 

          

  

 

                       





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Subject: Re: DHEA and The Prostate

From: mschill490@aol.com (MSchill490)

Date: 11 Mar 1998 02:42:08 GMT

--------

Isn't the conversion of testosterone into DHT the real problem to the prostate?

 Maybe if you also take Saw Palmetto, which is  supposed to block the

conversion of testosterone into DHT, you could get the benefit of the DHEA

without the detrimental effect to your prostate.  I'm not sure if this would

work, maybe someone else can add additional info. 



Mike



>I am 64 years of age and have decided to take 25mg of Dhea each day.  I

>have checked into the nutrient's effects and have come up with

>conflicting information about an adverse prostate reaction.

>

> I have Benign Prostate Hypertrophy.(BPH) an enlarged prostate, like

>almost all men my age.    One source claims  that I should NOT  use DHEA

>as it creates testerone that may cause further enlargement of the

>prostate and possibly lead to cancer.

>

>Another source mentions I should not use DHEA  only if I have serious

>BPH problems or am cancer prone.  

>

>What is the real story?     Should I use less of the product or none at

>all?     If BPH is adversely affected by DHEA  than this would limit its

>usage by most men over the age of fifty.

>

>









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Subject: olive leaf

From: christie29@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:06:25 -0500

--------

anyone ever hear anything about this?



she's like a cat in the dark,then she is the darkness.... >^-.-^<

                     





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Subject: Re: olive leaf

From: mk95528@aol.com (Mk95528)

Date: 10 Mar 1998 07:43:26 GMT

--------



>anyone ever hear anything about this?

>

>she's like a cat in the dark,then she is the darkness.... >^-.-^<

            

Never heard about this but I do know that cats can see around corners  (-;



Margie

http://members.aol.com/mk95528/rarebooks.html













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Subject: a bad colon

From: kkd21@aol.com (KKD21)

Date: 10 Mar 1998 05:15:45 GMT

--------

I have been to a lot of doctors because of my colon. I have been treated with

several medicines but none work very well. I get sick every time I eat, most of

the time. Some days are fine, others are rough. They say it is just stress, but

I don't think so. Are there any herbs or natural ways about curing this?

Thank you!





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Subject: Re: a bad colon

From: bj <kbk@gte.net>

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 22:21:24 -0600

--------

KKD21 wrote:

> 

> I have been to a lot of doctors because of my colon. I have been treated with

> several medicines but none work very well. I get sick every time I eat, most of

> the time. Some days are fine, others are rough. They say it is just stress, but

> I don't think so. Are there any herbs or natural ways about curing this?

> Thank you!



A "bad" colon is almost always caused by history of wrong diet and

constipatiom. No pills will help the problem if you don't implement

healthy life style. 

The best remedy will be to start yourself on natural foods

diet which is rich in roughage.  I would also recommend series of 

colonics.  There are many natural health books which will direct you

to the right action.

Good luck

cassie





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Subject: Re: a bad colon

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:03:42 GMT

--------

In article <19980310051501.AAA11463@ladder03.news.aol.com>, kkd21@aol.com (KKD21) wrote:



>

>I have been to a lot of doctors because of my colon. I have been treated with

>several medicines but none work very well. I get sick every time I eat, most of

>the time. Some days are fine, others are rough. They say it is just stress, but

>I don't think so. Are there any herbs or natural ways about curing this?

>Thank you!



More details would be helpful. But on a hunch, have you been diagnosed 

as having Irritable Bowel Syndrome? It's a catchall term for a 

mysterious ailment that is characterized by intense abdominal pain 

triggered, usually, by certain foods (although, sometimes it seems 

brought on by nothing in particular!) and often soon after a meal.



Sometimes the only way you can find out which foods you are sensitive to 

is by careful experimentation. The cause is unknown, the symptoms vary 

and there appears to be no one cure for everyone. It strikes mostly 

women and often appears in one's late 20s or early 30s, sometimes 

following surgery. It's chronic and painful and terribly 

inconvenient at times, to say the least, but it won't kill you. On 

the plus side, there are some things you can do to control it, 

and an individual's cure is not unknown. That's just what a layman 

knows.

  

Look up Irritable Bowel Syndrome on your search engine and you're bound 

to find a lot of info and a support group web site or two or three! If 

not, message me and I'll send you some site addresses.



Some folks have reported getting great relief with an ayruvedic diet, 

digestive enzymes and a Chinese herbal compound called Stomach Chi, 

which is distributed by Oriental herb Company in Evergreen Colo., (303) 

674-2466. 



Other people report help through acupuncture. So you may want to explore 

ayruvedic and Chinese medicine remedies with a certified practitioner. 

But check the available information first.



Good luck!

C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





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Subject: Re: a bad colon

From: "Wayne S. Swanson, D.C." <docdc@gte.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:55:45 -0500

--------



There are many colon clensers on the market. The one I use in my practice

has different herbs combined into it. Look them up at your health food

store. If you'd like write me and I could send you some of the kind I use.

I'll describe it below. This would be a start back to better health.



Biofiberclenze a product from a company called BioActive Nutritional which

specializes in nutritional products for Doctors who care to provide the very

best for their patients. This product essentially provides herbs that are

detoxifiers , anti-parasitic ss, Fiber ( to mechanically scrub /clean the

small and large intestines) thereby reducing the toxins that are normally

reabsorbed back into the body instead of being properly excreted as a bowel

movement. A good example of this re-absorption of toxins and feces is for a

person to imagine taking the urine and fecal matter that he/she just

deposited into the toilet, remove this urine and feces put them into a

blender , and put them back into the body with an IV. Very few persons would

consider removing this waste urine and feces and reintroducing it back into

the body by eating and / or drinking it but that is about what they do in

allowing the body to reabsorb it through the Intestines. One good thing

though is that amount of re-absorption via the intestines is less than if

the person recycled it via oral consumption, however the mere thought is

repulsive for most persons today in our society.

 The benefits of consuming a dose of this Biofiberclenze is a better working

body. This product has clinically reduced the amount of insulin that a

diabetic requires. One patient of mine took a blood sugar level of around

300 - 360 mg % to level approaching 130-140 mg%(80-120mg% is the normal

range). Another patient lowered his cholesterol to normal. Another related a

better sense of well-being, (just felt better).

Constipation literally breaks up in the absence of a more serious

pathological condition such as cancer. This fiber and herbal concoction

taken regularly also would reduce the chances that of a person developing

intestinal cancer.

 Another benefit is that in removing these toxins from being reabsorbed into

the body is the nutritional supplements and normal diet would be better

utilized by the body. This benefit many times translates into reduced

headaches, increased resistance to stress, lowered aches and pains(toxins/

oxidizing radicals destroy the natural anti-inflammatory agents called

prostaglandins PGE-1 & PGE-3 which neutralize the inflammatory PGE-2).

Persons who take this cleanser also require less visits to my Chiropractic

Practice to resolve their aches and pains,

 Dosage 1 teaspoon of biofiberclenze with 8 oz of juice(cranberry preferably

to disguise the taste) and 1 teaspoon on Vit-C Powder 3 times per day(4500

mg/dose) approximately 2 hours prior to eating or 2 hours after eating.

Follow this with 12 oz of fluid to assure proper bulking and lubrication.

 Side effects:  1) Tastes bad (according to many of my patients) I recommend

mixing it with cranberry juice. This seems to make the taste more pleasing

to the palate.

           2). As your body detoxifies some of your symptoms actually become

worse for a while. This is your bodys immune system waking up. This effect

can be offset with  additional large amounts of Vit C.  Generally anywhere

from 2 to 4 additional teaspoons of powdered Vit C grams of Vit C / day will

lower these symptoms to a tolerable level. Anti-inflammatory OTC drugs such

as aspirin, ibuprofen, acetaminophen, etc, will of course assist temporally

provided one isnt allergic to them (However they seem to lower the immune

system response of your body). Please dont take anything you are allergic

to.

            3). You may become addicted to feeling better and want to get

off that couch and get out in the world. You may start feeling like living

again and start on a "health food binge".

Dr. W. S. Swansson, D.C.    St. Petersburg , Fl     docdc@gte.netThe

attached information is provided for educational purposes only and

SHOULD NOT BE INTERPRETED AS A SUBSTITUTE FOR PHYSICIAN EVALUATION OR

TREATMENT BY A HEALTH CARE PROFESSIONAL.















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Subject: Re: a bad colon

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:30:26 -0600

--------

How about cleaning your colon out?

There are some good detoxification, or colon cleansing, programs out there. Find one that have appropriate intestinal cleansing herbs, fasting time, and maintains your blood sugar level. Try seeing a Naturopathic Doctor. There are also people who do colonics, just be sure you get a trained professional if you choose to do this. Some of them have you keep using colonics, I do not recommend this for a long period of time.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

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Subject: deer's eye (ojo de venado)

From: catherine yronwode <cat@luckymojo.com>

Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 21:24:08 -0800

--------

As is my custom, i post questions received in e-mail, with my replies,

in the hope of stimulating discussion: 



dnurse@caribnet.net wrote:

> 

> can you briefly describe the deer eye amulet and

> what it is for. i know that in santeria deer horn powder is used for 

> protection spells. is the deer eye real?



Your letter reminded me that i had not put an ojo de venado (deer eye

amulet) picture on the web, so i did that tonight. Now you can go to its

own page and read all about it and see it in glorious full colour at 



http://www.luckymojo.com/ojodevenado.html



To answer your question, the Ojo de Venado is a big dark brown seed

known as Mucuna pruriens (Deer Eye, Velvet Bean, or Cowhage in English).

It really looks like a deer's eye and it is believed to protect you from

harm. It is used that way by Mexicans and Guatemalans, and i believe its

use goes back to pre-history because it is a seed with powerful

psychedelic drugs in it, similar to LSD, so it is likely that shamans

ate it to see visions of protective spirits. Nowadays folks do NOT eat

it, but they make a charm of it and carry it for protection. It is

usually hung on a red cord with a red wool tassel and a small holy print

of a Catholic saint glued to one side. 



I do not know if it is used in Santeria.  



catherine yronwode



COMMERCIAL: I sell Ojo de Venado amulets from Mexico. At $1.25 each,

they are a folkloric and botanical bargain. My online catalogue is at 

Lucky Mojo Curio Co: http://www.luckymojo.com/luckymojocatalogue.html





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Subject: Chemical composition of herbs

From: Maria <goonies@alphalink.com.au>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:33:03 +1000

--------

I am currently studying, and need to know where I can find the chemical 

composition of herbs to complete a materia medica.  I would be very 

appreciative of anyone who could direct me to a web page or book that 

would help.

Thanks in advance.





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Subject: Re: Chemical composition of herbs

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 10 Mar 1998 05:48:00 -0700

--------

Maria <goonies@alphalink.com.au> wrote:



>I am currently studying, and need to know where I can find the chemical 

>composition of herbs to complete a materia medica.  I would be very 

>appreciative of anyone who could direct me to a web page or book that 

>would help.

>Thanks in advance.

  Well, the book titled "MATERIA MEDICA", 1927 edition, edited by

Culbreth, is a good start.  Michael Moore's web page at

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html has a

downloadable copy.  He also has some pages with the chemical

composition of various herbs, taken form recent publications - be

prepared for some HEAVY scientific terminology, and there is

often no indication of which is the active ingredient.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Chemical composition of herbs

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 12 Mar 1998 18:49:27 GMT

--------

In article <350524EF.1927@alphalink.com.au>, Maria <goonies@alphalink.com.au>

writes:

>I am currently studying, and need to know where I can find the chemical 

>composition of herbs to complete a materia medica.  



Terry Willard's books, such as Wild Rose Scientific Herbal, have this

information. Michael Murray's Healing Power of Herbs has this. The reference

works published by CRC, such as HERBAL DRUGS & PHYTOPHARMACEUTICALS. The

Textbook of Natural Medicine, by Murray and Pizzorno, has a very large section

with this information. 



Hope that helps,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Re: Chemical composition of herbs

From: "Elon Shlosberg" <elon@jps.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:42:14 -0800

--------

best source is the phytobotanical database developed by James Duke [through

department of agriculture]











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Subject: Re: Chemical composition of herbs

From: cnsjjc@aol.com (Cnsjjc)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 12:51:23 GMT

--------

I agrre - an excellent resource.  The URL  is



               http://www.ars-grin.gov/~ngrlsb/

        









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Subject: Stop Smoking Help

From: "Dragonlady & Scooter" <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 10 Mar 1998 12:53:29 GMT

--------

Awhile back several of you were discussing something that you took that

helped with the withdrawal symptoms when quitting the smoke habit.  I think

it started with a "T".  Wrote it down, now I can't find and I can't find

the thread in the Deja News.  HELP.  What was it - please e-mail direct.



Thank you  bunches

-- 

Scooter & Dragonlady





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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking Help

From: "Aloe Vera Studies Organization" <aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:55:04 -0800

--------

Well, not aware of something that begins with "T" - but consider drinking

relatively large amounts of freshly squeezed citrus juices (esp. lemonade &

grapefruit over orange juice).  Not only is it healthy for you, but it'll

also help you to detoxify your blood from the nicotene and other toxins from

cigarettes (and more quickly reduce the "need" for a drag from the fag).

Stop drinking any liquid 3-4 hours before bedtime to assure a good,

uninterrupted sleep.



The Aloe Vera Studies Organization

http://www.aloe-vera.org



Dragonlady & Scooter wrote in message

<6e3d49$mj7@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

>Awhile back several of you were discussing something that you took that

>helped with the withdrawal symptoms when quitting the smoke habit.  I think

>it started with a "T".  Wrote it down, now I can't find and I can't find

>the thread in the Deja News.  HELP.  What was it - please e-mail direct.

>

>Thank you  bunches

>--

>Scooter & Dragonlady









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Subject: libido help

From: moron345@aol.com (Moron345)

Date: 10 Mar 1998 13:36:41 GMT

--------

can anyone suggest any herbs  that enhance the libido and increase sex drive?





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Subject: Re: libido help

From: whosis@what.com (Whosis)

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:21:44 GMT

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moron345@aol.com (Moron345) wrote:

>can anyone suggest any herbs  that enhance the libido and increase sex drive?

Try Damiana or Muira Puama. I've used both successfully.  (I'm using

M.P. now.)  A minority of men can tolerate (and benefit from)

prescription Yohimbine. I lost my tolerance (sent the pulse racing way

too fast and shot the blood pressure up to uncomfortable levels)

but... The couple of years that I could tolerate the Yohimbine *IT WAS

GREAT!*. WOWEE! (Remember we have a mixed audience here.)  Consider

getting a prescription. If you're one of the lucky minority you'll

love it. Don't waste your money on the Yoh that you find in health

food stores. Good luck and happy hunting.







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Subject: Re: libido help

From: olfactory@webtv.net (John M. Causbrook)

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:03:10 -0500

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I would recommend Green Oats (Aveena Sativa) I agree with the Damiana or

Mura Palma (Brazilian name "potent wood")



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Subject: Re: libido help

From: Paul Matsumoto <kentaro@gladstone.uoregon.edu>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:57:38 -0800

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I was once told that some of these enhansing herbs can interfear

with birth control, something about increasing fertility- damiana

was one that was mentioned.  I then stayed away from these herbs

all together.  Does any one know if this is true or not?







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Subject: Re: libido help

From: "C. Broyer" <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:26:45 -0500

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That depends...are you male or female?



Cairis

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Subject: Re: libido help

From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:35:06 GMT

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On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:26:45 -0500, "C. Broyer" <cbroyer1@tds.net> wrote:



>That depends...are you male or female?



Well, I'm female, and I'd like an answer too. :)  I'm taking birth control

pills for an hormonal dysfunction (my body converts progesterone to

androgen so I'm taking progesterone pills to replace it).  That has caused

some decrease, but the biggest problem I had was, about 10 months ago, I

started having problems with stress at my old job.  I had no energy or

desire, it was a major problem and it lasted for a long time (from about

April/May to the end of November when I finally got a new job).  The stress

has gone, but I"m left with being "out of the habit" if having sex, and I

find that I just don't get... well, honestly, aroused any more.  I mean, if

I *start*, I usually end up aroused and having fun, but getting started is

a problem for me.  I'm trying to learn new ways of doing things (like

coming to understand that I don't have to be aroused when I start and

that's OK) but I'd like to increase my level of arousal (arousability?).



Did I just share too much? *grin*



--

Siobhan Perricone

Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.

It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight

to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. 

      -Johnny Hart





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Subject: Re: libido help

From: georg <the.whichwaydidhego.georg@servtech.NARF.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:21:05 -0500

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Siobhan Perricone wrote:

> 

> Well, I'm female, and I'd like an answer too. :)  I'm taking birth control

> pills for an hormonal dysfunction (my body converts progesterone to

> androgen so I'm taking progesterone pills to replace it).  That has caused

> some decrease, but the biggest problem I had was, about 10 months ago, I

> started having problems with stress at my old job.  I had no energy or

> desire, it was a major problem and it lasted for a long time (from about

> April/May to the end of November when I finally got a new job).  The stress

> has gone, but I"m left with being "out of the habit" if having sex, and I

> find that I just don't get... well, honestly, aroused any more.  I mean, if

> I *start*, I usually end up aroused and having fun, but getting started is

> a problem for me.  I'm trying to learn new ways of doing things (like

> coming to understand that I don't have to be aroused when I start and

> that's OK) but I'd like to increase my level of arousal (arousability?).



One thing you may want to try is fantasizing about your lover. Think

of your lover doing things to you. Now that you can relax, and be less

stressed- you may want to let your mind dwell on these things without

shame. Treat yourself to relaxing herbal baths or bubble baths, and

reaffirm your self-worth as an attractive woman. Thinkk loving

thoughts and do more romantic deeds, and maybe that will help. Get a

copy of the Kama Sutra. Maybe that will help. Talk to your lover about

your problem and ask for assisstance.



good luck

-georg

non ani sunt permittendi





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Subject: Re: libido help

From: "C. Broyer" <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:52:38 -0500

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Have you tried Chaste Tree (vitex agnus-castus)?  This has a

progesterone function and will stimulate and normailize pituitary gland

funchions.  It has a reputation of an aphrodisiac.

Yohimbe is usually thought to be a stimulant for men only, but also has

a similar affect on women.  But it can keep you up all night...

Daniana aslo has an ancient reputation as an aphrodisiac.  It is a

strengthener of the nervous system and the hormonal system.  It's used

specifically in cases of anxiety/depression regarding sex.



There are alot of things you can use for anxiety/nervousness if that's a

factor.



Mood and setting/surroundings might be a factor...maybe not.  I would

make sure that you try and make yourself and your surroundings feel as

relaxed and romantic as you can without getting stressed.  That might

make a difference....



Tina

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Subject: Re: libido help

From: "C. Broyer" <cbroyer1@tds.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:28:16 -0500

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That depends...are you male or female?



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Subject: Re: libido help

From: moron345@aol.com (Moron345)

Date: 11 Mar 1998 17:26:36 GMT

--------

I am female also





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Subject: Kava Kava: any bad side effects?

From: rachthird@aol.com (RachThird)

Date: 10 Mar 1998 13:52:04 GMT

--------

I am a pianist and like to take the edge off of my nerves before a performance

by popping some Kava Kava one hour before curtain.



Are there any known side effects of this wonderful herb?



Thanks,



Rach





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Subject: Re: Kava Kava: any bad side effects?

From: darrinh@mci2000.com (Darrin)

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 11:04:02 -0500

--------

On 10 Mar 1998 13:52:04 GMT, rachthird@aol.com (RachThird) wrote:



>I am a pianist and like to take the edge off of my nerves before a performance

>by popping some Kava Kava one hour before curtain.

>

>Are there any known side effects of this wonderful herb?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Rach



None that I could find while researching it. I take it occasionally,

and haven't experienced any.



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro







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Subject: Re: Kava Kava: any bad side effects?

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:59:57 -0800

--------

I've been thinking about taking Kava Kava for anxiety and stress thats

what I heard it was good for, But does it work? Let me know E-mail me!!





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Subject: Re: Kava Kava: any bad side effects?

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:45:48 -0500

--------

The only reported side effects are only applicable when taking large

quantities of this herb (recreational use, far more than the therapeutic

dose) over a period of time.  It is supposed to adversely affect the liver

when taken as a recreational drug.  The symptoms disappear soon after

discontinuing use.



-RJO



RachThird wrote in message

<19980310135200.IAA13293@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

>I am a pianist and like to take the edge off of my nerves before a

performance

>by popping some Kava Kava one hour before curtain.

>

>Are there any known side effects of this wonderful herb?

>

>Thanks,

>

>Rach









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Subject: Re: Kava Kava: any bad side effects?

From: "jweekley" <jweekley@HIWAAY.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:07:22 -0600

--------

What would be considered a large quantity?



Richard J. Ogden <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote in article

<6emnns$b3e@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

> The only reported side effects are only applicable when taking large

> quantities of this herb (recreational use, far more than the therapeutic

> dose) over a period of time.  It is supposed to adversely affect the

liver

> when taken as a recreational drug.  The symptoms disappear soon after

> discontinuing use.

> 

> -RJO

> 

> RachThird wrote in message

> <19980310135200.IAA13293@ladder02.news.aol.com>...

> >I am a pianist and like to take the edge off of my nerves before a

> performance

> >by popping some Kava Kava one hour before curtain.

> >

> >Are there any known side effects of this wonderful herb?

> >

> >Thanks,

> >

> >Rach

> 

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: yleo

From: Graham Sorenson <graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukrotweiler>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 15:21:10 +0000

--------







Date: Mon, 09 Mar 1998 20:42:21 -0800

From: Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com>

Subject: YL - Long - Please Read



Hello Good Aromaphiles,



I know there are many of you who do not want to see any more YL

information on the list(s), and I again apologize for the bandwidth

taken on this subject.  Please bear with me.   I have just visited YL's

new website  at www.youngliving.com, and it seems that some of the

claims YL makes about Gary Young and the YL organization proven in the

past to be erroneous are still a part of the information presented about

him both on the YL web page and in the YL literature.  I also have had

other information come to me from a reliable source that is disturbing.

I feel it is important to post this to the list so that those YL

distributors on the list can have answers to some of the questions and

challenges they are seeing in our earlier posts.  Hopefully they will

share this new information with their uplines and downlines as well as

the YL corporation and any other interested parties.  Gary Young will be

holding seminars across the country in the next few months.  Check out

http://www.youngliving.com/Events%20Calander.htm   for an update on when

he will be coming to your city.  I urge all concerned to attend these

open meetings and pose pertinent questions to Gary Young personally.    



I think it is important for all of us concerned with the evolution of

aromatherapy as an alternative health care industry, one with strong

ethics and high standards,  to take note of this information.   It is

imperative for our Steering Committee to finalize educational and

practitioner standards and for those of us in the field to adopt them

and to prepare to lobby for acceptance and licensing for aromatherapy

practitioners in our respective states.  It is imperative for all of us

to adopt a high standard of ethics and practice for all aspects of the

industry.  Those of us who are not already NAHA (National Association

for Holistic Aromatherapy) members need to join and become active in

raising the awareness of the safe practice of aromatherapy.  This is the

grass roots organization that will coalesce and elevate our efforts to

have a strong, honest, healthy, inclusive industry, and an industry that

observes the laws and regulations that ultimately govern us here in the

United States.



The following is a quote from the YL web page regarding Gary

Young...."After receiving a Masters Degree in Nutrition and a Doctorate

in Naturopathy, he opened a family practice in Chula Vista, California,

and a research clinic in La Mesa, Mexico, to study all aspects of

natural healing. His work in Mexico was of such magnitude that in 1985

he received the Humanitarian Award from the State Medical Examiners

Office of Baja California (one of only six ever awarded) for his

research and successful treatment of degenerative disease. He worked in

the field of blood crystallization and helped advance the dark field

study of the blood in its relationship to viruses and bacteria. It was

in this clinic where he built the foundation for the work he is

currently undertaking, and where he experimented with adding essential

oils to food supplements".



Q: Where did Gary  Young get his ND and Masters degrees?



A: Gary Young does not currently hold a naturopathic degree from an

accredited naturopathic university.  A search of several large databases

of colleges and universities shows no Masters Degree in Nutrition held

by Gary Young.  He claims to have this degree and certificate from

Bernadean University.  Bernadean University is a wholesale supplier of

various degrees and certificates located at 21757 Devonshire, Ste. 16,

Chatsworth, CA 91311.  Telephone: 818.718.2447.  It is currently being

run from a small house that is lived in by an older lady who answers the

phone and sends out badly copied information and certificates.  For

around $35. to $3,500. You can get whatever degree or certificate you

want by this time tomorrow from this woman.  Any of you are welcome to

telephone and verify this information yourselves.

   

Further quotes from the YL web page...."Gary's studies have taken him

throughout the U.S., Mexico, England, Europe, the Middle East, and

Egypt, where he compiled a vast body of research on nutrition and the

medicinal attributes of essential oils. In 1995 he was invited to the

Andula University, in Eskeshehir, Turkey, by United Nations Industrial

Development Organization to speak at the International Congress on

Essential Oils. At this Congress, he presented not only his research on

plant germination and organic farming, but also the research that he is

conducting at Weber State University on the antibacterial inhibition of

essential oils against gram-negative E. coli and gram positive Staph

aurus bacteria, as well as the comparative studies on essential oils

against ampicillin and penicillin".



Q.  Is Gary Young currently conducting, or has he conducted,  research

at Weber University?



Gary Young is not an academic research fellow nor assistant at Weber

University. It is possible that YL had some oils independently tested at

the Weber Labs, but the statement above leads one to believe that Gary

Young is associated in a professional way in academic research with

Weber University.  He is not.  The statements regarding his vast

research and invitations to speak at seemingly prestigious international

congresses take on a new meaning when one knows that Gary Young has no

valid academic credentials and is not the world renowned authority on

essential oils the YL literature claims him to be.



More YL propaganda from the web page....."Gary Young is one of the first

Americans to become a certified member of International Federation of

Aromatherapists, headquartered in the Royal Masonic Hospital in London,

England, and is recognized as one of the foremost authorities on

essential oils in North America. As president and founder of Young

Living Essential Oils, Gary designed and built the first stainless

steel, vertical steam distiller in North America, advancing the science

of low-pressure, low-heat distillation of herbs to produce high-purity

essential oils. Young Living owns organic research farms in Idaho and

Utah and participates in a joint venture experimental farm in France.

Young Living is internationally known for growing, producing and

distilling essential oils of uncompromising quality, as well as for its

cutting-edge essential oil-enhanced dietary supplements".



Q. Is Gary Young a member of the IFA?



Vivian Lunny, a member of this mailing list and founding member of the

IFA, has unequivocally stated that Gary Young is not currently a member,

and has never been a member of the IFA.  



Q.  Is Gary Young an aromatherapy authority?  Is his still design the

first of its kind in North America?



He is not recognized as "one of the foremost authorities on essential

oils" to anyone outside the YL organization.  He did not design the

first stainless steel, vertical steam distiller in the united states;

there are several commercial farms in the US that distill essential oils

with modern, innovative equipment.



Q: Who actually owns Young Living Essential Oils? Is Gary Young the

president as stated in the web page?



A: Mary Billetter Young, Gary's third wife, is the owner of Young

Living. Gary does not sign any legal papers regarding the operations of

Young Living.  The question, "why is he not an legal entity of the

corporation?" could be very revealing.  He is, however, still the

*leader* who dictates to all others how the corporation is run in spite

of having no legal authority over the corporation.



Q: Are all of the YL oils organic?



A: Certainly not.  Most of the YL oils are purchased just like other

large essential oil companies, through large brokerages of essential

oils.



Q: Are the Young Living  farms truly organic?



A: The one in Mona, Utah is definitely NOT.  Until the time YL took over

the property on a contract purchase it was a hay field and had regular

doses of chemicals applied.  The owners are the Andrews Brothers of the

same area.  I do not have information on other properties claimed to be

organic farms by Gary Young, but this one is definitely not an organic

farm.  It takes five years of organic farming practice before a farm can

even apply for organic status from the NOSB.  Then there is a series of

tests prior to establishing this certification.   This property has not

been certified organic by the National Organic Standards Board (NOSB).

His claim that all of the essential oils grown by YL are organic is not

correct if he is referring to crops grown on the Mona farm.  I

understand he is currently trying to contract with any willing farmer in

the Central and Southern Utah areas of Utah and many of these farms

being contacted are NOT organic. The organic specification does not seem

to be a requirement to plant crops for YL, yet they tell the public that

all of their oils are organic. 



Here are answers to some of our other previously posed questions:



Q: Do YL essential oils contain carrier oils?  We have heard for years -

"Definitely not, they are the purest essential oils available today".  



A: A long list of YL oils that DO CONTAIN CARRIER OILS was just released

to the public in the latest YL news letter.  It was only after a long

period of silence and  after many  inquiries from distributors on the

subject that Gary Young and his laboratory have finally released this

information. Gary Young says the formulas have not changed, just that

the labels will be offering more detailed information about the contents

of the bottles. Instead of "and other oils for enhancement" it will read

as the first ingredient either sesame, jojoba or olive oil.  Gary Young

has been selling essential oils in carrier oils as "pure essential

oils".  While I commend the recent effort towards honesty, it seems a

long time coming and only with much clamor from distributors, and raises

serious issues of integrity and possible misrepresentation.



Q: Do YL distributors know all of this?



A: Most of them do not.  Some do, however.  Most YL distributors are

very good people with excellent intentions.  They are not greedy,

dishonest or trying to make people believe lies.  They are just gullible

and believe what they are being told by YL.  They have perhaps been too

trusting.  They are also people who want cures for their illnesses, and

common sense sometimes does not prevail.  There are employees, however,

who are also distributors and do have downlines which is not only

against stated YL company policy, but illegal under the laws that govern

multi-level-marketing companies in the United States, and this would be

a clear conflict of interest in an ethical company.  



The most disturbing information that has come to me is regarding the

growing numbers of YL distributors and customers that are having serious

negative health reactions.  While this possibly cannot be directly

attributed to using YL essential oils and other YL products, it does

seem that not only is this commonly occurring and being reported back to

YL, but that YL is perhaps remiss in not addressing the issue and

following through with diligence to determine why this is happening and

taking steps to prevent its recurrence.  Many on this list have

cautioned YL distributors over and over about the potentially dangerous

recommendations from Gary Young and in the YL literature of using

possibly sensitizing, toxic or harmful essential oils *neat* or

undiluted, i.e., "raindrop therapy". (Although now that it is revealed

that YL essential oils thought to be pure and undiluted were sold in

carrier oils, this becomes a more puzzling issue.)  I can only hope that

YL distributors are listening and seeking the good education and advice

available from many others in the field more knowledgeable anda

cautious.  I have it under good authority that a recent large shipment

of hydrolats to YL was contaminated, but sold to the distributors and

their customers anyway and not recalled as it should have been.  The

person I have gotten this information from is someone very intimately

knowledgeable about YL operations.



I agonized long over posting this, and believe me, my life is filled

with other more important things to do.  I am not the kind of person who

is generally mean and/or vindictive.  I am not meaning to sound so here.

I am simply the messenger.  For those concerned with elevating

aromatherapy as a respected profession and industry, with thoughtful,

continually educated, safe and honest endeavors and with high standards,

I felt compelled to share this information with you.  I could not keep

this to myself if I thought it could help someone make better choices on

their aromatic path.



I will be glad to respond personally to anyone who wishes to discuss

this further with me.  



Be well,





    

 

-- 

Graham Sorenson





==========

Subject: Pycnogenol question

From: Bob Perez <Bperez@Novell.Com>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:48:38 -0700

--------

Has anyone had experience with Pycnogenol ?, dosage, cost, effectiveness

mainly as it relates to treating ADD/ADHD rather than drugs like

Ritalin, etc.  Thanks for any info.



Bob Perez ( Bperez@Novell.Com )







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Subject: Soil Depletion (was: which herbs good for energy and relaxation)

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:25:57 -0500

--------

D. Hagmeier-Ekborg wrote in message ...

>Many table foods have been depleted of many nutrients that were once were

>in our soils.  Today, Most of our soils are recieving only

>nitrogen,potassian, phosphrous.  What about calcium,

>magnesium,magnesium,zinc, chromium and many others that are gone due to

>over farming and crops taking out these others nutrients the plant and the

>body need.  Even organic grown foods still do not have fields with these

>essential nutrients if they have been depleted and not replaced back into

>the soil.



It is quite true that many soils have become seriously depleted - at least

in the surface layers.  It is actually difficult to literally run out of the

elements you name, at least in temperate-climate soils, because the original

source of those elements - the primary rock - is mostly still present.  The

problem that more often occurs in temperate soils is that the minerals are

not available for uptake by plants, because of the form they're in.  In

natural soils, there is a constant turnover of organic material that (among

its many functions) recycles nutrients and breaks down into organic

compounds that are able to hold nutrients and prevent them from leaching out

of the plant root zones.  Other compounds produced by breakdown of O.M. are

able to attach to insoluble forms of these elements and turn them into forms

that are more available for uptake by plant roots.  Adding organic matter -

almost ANY organic matter - back into the soil will thus result in a net

increase in available nutrients even when the organic matter itself did not

contain them.



The picture is quite different in the tropics, where thousands of years of

rainfall and high temperatures have leached nutrients deep into the soils,

far beyond the reach of most if not all plant life.  In these

highly-weathered soils, removal of the vegetative cover means death in a

very short time - literal death of the soil, because the residual organic

matter is very quickly broken down under the effects of microorganisms

stimulated by the high temperatures, and it is that organic residue which

constitutes the chief reservoir of nutrients.  Once the cycling of nutrients

is broken, it cannot be easily or economically "fixed" by any addition of

chemical fertilizers or cover crops.



-RJO











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Subject: weight control combination

From: Barbara <bbc@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:20:39 +0000

--------

I've heard about a certain combination of herbs (St.John's Wort is one

in this combo)  that seem to be very helpful in controlling appetite,

but I can't find out what it is.  Does anyone have information about

this?  B







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Subject: Re: weight control combination

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 11 Mar 1998 05:53:00 -0700

--------

Barbara <bbc@mindspring.com> wrote:



>I've heard about a certain combination of herbs (St.John's Wort is one

>in this combo)  that seem to be very helpful in controlling appetite,



  St. John's Wort and Ephedra is the common combination, often

promoted as "herbal Phen-fen".  Theoretically, the ephdra

provides a quick energy boost while the SJW works on the mild

depression that obese persons often have over a period of several

weeks.

  The ephedra, depending on the person's sensitivity to it, can

cause heart palpitaitons, high blood pressure, etc. 

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: lichen sclerosus et atrophicus

From: melvin <102020.1453@CompuServe.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 18:32:20 -0500

--------

Any herbs for circumscribed morphea/lichen sclerosus et 

atrophicus on legs?



-- 









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Subject: How About Libido Help For Women?

From: pathwr@huntleighhealth.com (Eileen Smith)

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 03:35:38 GMT

--------

Hello,

I saw the posts for herbs for a man's libido. What would work well for

a woman? The same herbs? Yohimbe, M.P.?

Thanks,

Eileen

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Subject: Re: How About Libido Help For Women?

From: shaktifire@aol.com (ShaktiFire)

Date: 11 Mar 1998 04:39:59 GMT

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Yohimbe should help for women also

promoting circulation to vital areas.

Another help would be androstene which

would cause a woman to be quite a bit more

frisky, but it may have side effects with long

term usuage (i.e. facial hair and husky voice)

since it is a male hormone.(precursor to testosterone).





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To: infomaui@mauigateway.com

Subject: Re: How About Libido Help For Women?

From: Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:45:44 -0500

--------

Really?  I've read that it is good for both men and women, that it helps

promote increased blood flow to the genitals of either, which is what

causes it to be effective.

 On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 infomaui@mauigateway.com

wrote:



# 

# Yohimbe applies just to men. There are serious

# SIDE effects . Please be sure to read all the

# negative reactions of using Yohimbe such as

# heart problems.

# Chris

# 

# 

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# 

# >Hello,

# >I saw the posts for herbs for a man's libido. What would work well for

# >a woman? The same herbs? Yohimbe, M.P.?

# >Thanks,

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Subject: Re: How About Libido Help For Women?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 12 Mar 1998 06:28:01 -0700

--------

Stephanie Brinegar <brinegar@dickinson.edu> wrote:



>Really?  I've read that it is good for both men and women, that it helps

>promote increased blood flow to the genitals of either, which is what

>causes it to be effective.

  It can have some nasty side effects.



Try damiana.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: How About Libido Help For Women?

From: olfactory@webtv.net (John M. Causbrook)

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 21:06:21 -0500

--------

Again, I would recommend Green Oats (aveena Sativa), Iron, some Dong

Quai

(Female Ginsing) and Damiana. itws for both Sexes.





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                                                 As Always, 

                                                      John





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Subject: propolis

From: MRBOSON@AOL.COM

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:57:04 -0600

--------

Encylopedia Britanica says that propolis is used by bees as glue.  What is

propolis?  Beeswax or honey?  I have some friends that keep bees but buy

propolis.  How can they extract and refine propolis from their beehive?  Can

you refer me to any place that can answer these questions.  Please e-mail me.

 Thank you.



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Subject: Re: propolis

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 12 Mar 1998 06:27:01 -0700

--------

MRBOSON@AOL.COM wrote:



>Encylopedia Britanica says that propolis is used by bees as glue.  What is

>propolis?  Beeswax or honey?  

  Neither: it is the resin of whatever plant of the area that has

a sticky enough sap.  Around here, it's oleander, mesquite, and

others.  They use it to seal cracks in the hive.

  CAUTION: THE BEES DO NOT PROCESS THE RESINS and whatever toxins

are in the plant will end up in the propolis.  Considering their

love for oleander sap - they swarm over the pruned ends,

collecting every dribble - I'd be wary of using propolis from an

area where oleander grows.



>How can they extract and refine propolis from their beehive?

  Part of the cleaning process of a beehive is scraping the

propolis deposits from the frames.  I'm not sure what would

happen after that.



  The reported effects of it would come from the plant resins,

not the bees: reading the ancient Greek uses for it, that's the

same desctiption that I would give to plain pine resins,

collected from the runs on the bark.  Great rubbed onto scratches

to prevent infection.

Callie

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(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Foods that work against St. John's Wort?

From: Zanne@logonchi.com

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:05:06 -0600

--------

I'm on a mission for my mother, who heard a snippet of a TV news article

about certain foods (possibly including cottage cheese) which may work

against St. John's Wort. Does anyone have information on this, or could

someone FAQ me, if it's in there?

Thanks

Suzanne Thomas

Zanne@logonchi.com



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Subject: What are your thoughts on Tribulus Terrestris?

From: whosis@what.com (Whosis)

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 18:44:13 GMT

--------

I thought that I posed this question here recently but now I find no

record of it. 

Supposedly Tribulus has been documented as increasing a man's (I guess

a woman's, too) level of testosterone. One reference indicates only

for three hours. Another claims it's a cumulative effect over a period

of months. Most sources are trying to sell it so their claims are

automatically suspect. Maybe I didn't look close enough but I didn't

see anything in Medline that made sense to me. Just that it contained

such and such (which could be latin for "pink spots on your

Oldsmobile" for all I know.).  So... know anything valid you could

take a couple of minutes to share?  Thank you!  (P.S. my primary

motivation in taking Tribulus is to address problem with low libido

and impotency. I think I've tried all of the typical herbs but with

not much success lately.)







==========

Subject: bloodroot paste

From: batwing@gte.net

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:39:27 -0600

--------

Has anyone found or made bloodroot paste, if so how? Has anyone tried it to

remove skin growths like moles?  I read about it in "Spontaneous Healing" and

would like to try.



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Subject: Re: bloodroot paste

From: "Elon Shlosberg" <elon@jps.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:39:35 -0800

--------

Dr. Chase's Recipes [1867] calls this "the great english remedy".  The

formula given is equal quantities of zinc chloride, pulverized blood-root,

and flour worked into a paste.



Be careful



Elon









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Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: larry@ask.net (Larry)

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 22:14:43 GMT

--------

Uncooked garlic - selected for potency, is my favorite anitbiotic.

And is very powerful and broad-spectrum.



Larry Pew

http://www.pew.com





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To: Larry <larry@ask.net>

Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:35:21 -0500

--------

An effective herbal antibiotic to consider is Usnea longissima, 

U.Californica, U. ceratina, and U. dasypoga. Proven clinical or 

commercial uses of Usnea spp. include: fungus infection, acute 

bacterial infection, lupus erythematosus, truchomonas, mastitis in 

cows, varicose and trophic ulcers, second and third degree burns, 

athlete's foot, ringworm, urinary tract infection, colds and flu, 

bronchitis, pleurisy, pneumonia, tuberculosis, and sinus infections.



Usnea is a lichen, easily harvested off trees (I found lots on white 

birch trees we were harvesting for firewood). It can be tinctured like 

any other medicinal herb. Best macerated in a 75-90% grain 

alcohol/water solution for eight weeks.



Herbalist Christopher Hobbs has authored an excellent 20 page booklet 

on Usnea.

This booklet is published by Botanica Press, Box 742, Capitola, CA 

95010. 



Good luck!



Rosemarie





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Subject: Re: antibiotic herbs

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:54:49 -0800

--------

Echinacea is a wonderful wonderful antibiotic.  I'd take it over any

perscription antibiotic anyday.  Although it may takes awful, it sure

does work great.



Savanah





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Subject: Capsicum Garlic and Hawthorn

From: mel davis <sax50man@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 16:28:14 -0800

--------

What does the combination of Capsicum, Garlic, and Hawthorn do for the

body?  Someone told me that it would help me with leg cramps from

playing tennis.







==========

Subject: Re: Capsicum Garlic and Hawthorn

From: christie29@webtv.net

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:33:30 -0500

--------

This combo will increse circulation 



she's like a cat in the dark,then she is the darkness.... >^-.-^<

                     





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Subject: Re: Capsicum Garlic and Hawthorn

From: "Sally Smith" <divas@amigo.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:16:55 -0700

--------

Hi, all three of these herbs are cardiovascular tonics used to decrease

cholesterol, blood pressure  and increase circulation. So yes these would

benefit you.

              Sally Divas@amigo.net

mel davis wrote in message <35072C1E.6CCE06A4@aol.com>...

>What does the combination of Capsicum, Garlic, and Hawthorn do for the

>body?  Someone told me that it would help me with leg cramps from

>playing tennis.

>









==========

Subject: Re: Capsicum Garlic and Hawthorn

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 18 Mar 1998 12:26:46 GMT

--------



Sally Smith wrote in message <6eneb5$et4$1@news1.rmi.net>...

>Hi, all three of these herbs are cardiovascular tonics used to decrease

>cholesterol, blood pressure  and increase circulation. So yes these would

>benefit you.

>              Sally Divas@amigo.net

>mel davis wrote in message <35072C1E.6CCE06A4@aol.com>...

>>What does the combination of Capsicum, Garlic, and Hawthorn do for the

>>body?  Someone told me that it would help me with leg cramps from

>>playing tennis.

>>







If your leg cramps are from playing tennis, it would seem to me that your

problem may be a mineral deficiency more than a circulatory one.   Calcium

is the usual culprit, but I have had most of my muscle spasm type cramps

disappear since taking zinc.



It would be worth checking out.



Evelyn











==========

Subject: inflamation for shoulder

From: beebster@flash.net (bb)

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 03:29:41 GMT

--------

What herbs are good for inflammation.  I have frozen shoulder

(shoulder adhesive capulitis) and do not want to take prescription

pills. 

TIA 

b.b. 







==========

Subject: Re: inflamation for shoulder

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:12:28 -0800

--------

I recommend using Cats-Claw its an Anti-inflammatory, work great to

treat inflammation.





==========

Subject: Herbs for Chronic Pain

From: "Brenton" <coombe@mtr.sa.gov.au>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 17:20:05 +1030

--------

Has anyone information on herbs that are effective for

chronic cluster headaches, as morphine is all that works

& I would like to reduce my dosages &  tolerance



Thank you

                  Brenton









==========

Subject: Re: Herbs for Chronic Pain

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:50:56 -0800

--------

I suggest a two great herbs for pain!!



1. Willow: good for aches and pains, migraine headaches, and  arthritis.



2. Feverfew: good for Migraine headaches.  Feverfew is very effectual

for all pains.  



 





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Subject: penny wart

From: pdudesin <pdudesin@winshop.com.au>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:51:57 +1000

--------

Has any one heard of penny wart what can it be used for and how well

does it work.I heard it stops imflamation is this true.







==========

Subject: Re: penny wart

From: gealwulf@aol.com (GealWulf)

Date: 13 Mar 1998 22:17:35 GMT

--------

Pennyroyal (Mentha pulegium): The tea is a remedy for colds, and will promote

menstrual flow but should be taken with care as large doses are poisonous.

Should not be taken while pregnant. Drunk as a remedy for headaches and

dizziness. Was used by the ancients as a blood purifier. Useful as a

carminative and stimulant.





==========

Subject: Re: penny wart

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 09:33:39 -0600

--------

Is this the one you mean?



GOTU KOLA

LATIN: Hydrocotyle asiatica

AKA: Indian Pennywort

   

BODILY ACTIONS: adaptogen, ADD, age spots, aging, alterative, antipyretic, antispasmodic, aphrodisiac, arteriosclerosis, astringent, blisters, blood pressure, blood purifier, brain tonic, circulation to brain, clear voice, depression, diuretic, dysentery, energy, exhaustion, fatigue, fever, headache, heart, hypoglycemia, inflammation, insomnia, learning, leg circulation, leprosy, liver, longevity, measles, memory, menopause, mental troubles, nervine, nervous breakdown, pituitary, psoriasis, rheumatism, schizophrenia, scrofula, sedative, senility, skin conditions, sore throat, spinal meningitis, stamina, stimulant, stomachic, stuttering, tonic, tonsillitis, ulceration, ulcers, varicose veins, wound healing

PARTS USED: whole plant



Kay

 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



pdudesin wrote in message <3507DA6C.B602CACE@winshop.com.au>...

>Has any one heard of penny wart what can it be used for and how well

>does it work.I heard it stops imflamation is this true.

>







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Subject: Re: AIDS and Alternative Medicine

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 12 Mar 1998 06:35:00 -0700

--------

Jambalaya3@aol.com wrote:



>I have to do a fieldwork project for school.  I am in a seven year medical

>>program in New York City.  The project is for a medical anthropology class. I

>> have chosen to observe, and evaluate the success rate of alternative medicine

>> in AIDS patients,



Find Michael Moore's herb site - look for his name and Botany at

Alta Vista.  He has a lot of research abstracts about use of

herbs for AIDS - some worked, some didn't.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: AIDS and Alternative Medicine

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:36:54 -0800

--------

I suggest Pau d' Arco





==========

Subject: Re: AIDS and Alternative Medicine

From: me@here.org

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 03:32:29 GMT

--------

I know it is not in New York, but you may want to contact the

Alternative Aids Health Project in Chicago.  AAHP is a clinic providing

people living with AIDS access to alternative therapies including

massage, energy work, and herbal and natural medicine.  They have been

thriving for several years now.







==========

Subject: Re: Montmorillonite & Watercress

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:18:26 -0500

--------

Barbara wrote in message <6e5b7i$9ue@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>...

>

>Anybody have any info on a substance called Montmorillonite? I came across

a

>listing for it on the net somewhere, it is said to do wonders for the body.

>Anybody who can post any info here about it I would appreciate it.



Montmorillonite is a very common type of clay mineral.  It is found as a

portion of the soils of many temperate-climate areas, such as the American

midwest.  In soils, this clay mineral is responsible for much of the "cation

exchange capacity" of the soils; that is, their ability to hold

positively-charged ions against the effects of leaching by rainfall.  Or, in

other words, it is chiefly responsible for the fertility of many of these

soils.  As to any benefits it may have for the body, I have no idea.  What

claims were made?  It seems to me it could be very difficult to dislodge

from the intestines if you ingest it...



-RJO















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Subject: Re: Montmorillonite & Watercress

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 12 Mar 1998 18:19:01 -0700

--------

"Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>Barbara wrote in message <6e5b7i$9ue@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>...

>>

>>Anybody have any info on a substance called Montmorillonite? I came across

>a

>>listing for it on the net somewhere, it is said to do wonders for the body.



>Montmorillonite is a very common type of clay mineral.



Various clays are used as skin cleansers - the basic ingredient

in almost all facial "mud packs" is bentonite, a clay.

Montmorillonite probably has the same effect.



  I'm not sure what eating it might do - purified clay is an

antidote for some poisons, because it will absorb them, but it's

very constipating.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Herbs to help kick the tobacco habit

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:51:25 -0500

--------

wize2u <wize2u@erasethisdirect.ca> wrote in article

<v8KK.1$Ht5.19951@newsgate.direct.ca>...

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------

> Lobelia? Like as in the dwarf herb with the pretty little purple flowers

and

> tiny leaves?



The lobelias used in herbal medicine are not the same species sold as

ornamentals.  I have never seen any research or traditional history of the

use of the ornamental species.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Moths (Was Patchouli)

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 12 Mar 1998 18:49:24 GMT

--------

In article <6dtldj$e22$4@usenet52.supernews.com>, infomaui@mauigateway.com

writes:



>Patchuoli is great to control moth on your

>closets.



You really need to get the offending item out of the closet too! It took some

long diligent searching to find out that my moth problem was linked to a

Peruvian hat made out of boiled wool, stored in a slightly open box. Once it

was gone, the moths were gone. They are persistant and nasty little devils --

but cedar also discourages them as does vertiver and lavendar. I stuff small

cheesecloth bags full of a vertiver and lavendar combo and hang them around the

closet.  So far, no problems this year.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/





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Subject: appetite suppressants

From: anon-17329@anon.twwells.com (Vivian)

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:50:24 GMT

--------

Are there any herbs that can be used to suppress the appetite?











==========

To: anon-17329@anon.twwells.com

Subject: Re: appetite suppressants

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:02:21 -0800

--------

Vivian wrote:

> 

> Are there any herbs that can be used to suppress the appetite?



After the birth of my last son I started to use Fennel to increase my

milk supply and the quality of my milk.  The side affect was that I only

wanted to eat healthy foods and that junk foods was very distastful to

me.  I did lose the extra weight I gained from my pregnancy.



J9





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Subject: Re: appetite suppressants

From: cyndi@penn.com (Cyndi Yurick)

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:51:01 GMT

--------

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:02:21 -0800, Pete & Janine

<pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote:



>After the birth of my last son I started to use Fennel 

snip

>J9

  

How did you use fennel?  As a tea or suppliment?



-Cyndi-





==========

Subject: Re: appetite suppressants

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:30:50 -0800

--------

Cyndi Yurick wrote:

> 

> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:02:21 -0800, Pete & Janine

> <pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote:

> 

> >After the birth of my last son I started to use Fennel

> snip

> >J9

> 





How did you use fennel?  As a tea or suppliment?

 



> -Cyndi-



I can not stand the taste so I used it as a supplement.



J9





==========

To: anon-17329@anon.twwells.com

Subject: Re: appetite suppressants

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:50:14 -0800

--------

Chickweed is supposed to be an appetite suppressant.  I have a bottle,

but haven't started taking it.  I'm  10-12 lbs overweight and my problem

isn't that I'm hungry, but that I don't realize all I really am is

thirsty.  BTW, Oprah's book, "Making the Connection" has lots of useful

information, is very encouraging, and interesting too.



The mind is like a parachute...

it only functions when it's open.

June



Vivian wrote:



> Are there any herbs that can be used to suppress the appetite?











==========

Subject: Re: appetite suppressants

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 04:27:56 GMT

--------



HOLLIDAY wrote in message <350A1A93.E8FBCE27@nep.net>...

>Chickweed is supposed to be an appetite suppressant.  I have a bottle,

>but haven't started taking it.  I'm  10-12 lbs overweight and my problem

>isn't that I'm hungry, but that I don't realize all I really am is

>thirsty.  BTW, Oprah's book, "Making the Connection" has lots of useful

>information, is very encouraging, and interesting too.

>

>The mind is like a parachute...

>it only functions when it's open.

>June

>

>Vivian wrote:

>

>> Are there any herbs that can be used to suppress the appetite?

>



Hi There.



I know that St. Johns wort is supposed to suppress appetite, and Ma Huang is

supposed to be a booster of your fat burning capabilities.   So called

herbal Phen-fen contains these.



Drawbacks are that Ma Huang can actually be very dangerous!!   If you were

to experiment with this, I would use the tincture, as that way the dosage

could be adjusted more readily than with a capsule or dried herb.



Chickweed is iffy also.   In small doses it is effective in this way, but

the exact amount is tricky too.   A bit more than needed can give one

unbelievable cramping and diarrhea according to Susun Weed's book.



These are powerful and serious products.   I think that initially the St.

Johns is the only one without serious possible side effects, and I find it

does suppress appetite somewhat.



Sad but true... there are no shortcuts.



Evelyn









==========

Subject: Re: appetite suppressants

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:49:58 -0600

--------

Proper nutrition first of all, then use herbs as a supplement.



Evening Primrose is one you might want to look into.



Here's a formulation of a mixture of different herbs that work on the body:



Chickweed herb: Great value in treating blood toxicity. Particularly useful in reducing excess fat. Used to protect damaged or inflamed tissues.

Burdock Root: Increases flow of urine and acts as a diuretic. Used to treat water retention and infections of the urinary tract. Eliminates excess nervous energy.

Fennel Seed: Relieves gas and pains in the bowels. Has a cooling effect on the bowels. Lubricates the intestines and is very healing.

Hawthorne Berries: Normalizes blood pressure. An anti-spasmodic and sedative. Helps with strain for those under pressure. Good for circulation.

Licorice Root: Contains substances similar to the adrenal hormones. Treats adrenal insufficiency. Has a stimulating action and helps counteract stress.

Parsley Herb: Useful for bladder infections. Builds energy. Helpful for difficult urination. Used to treat water retention. Used as a preventative herb.

Dandelion Root: Used for blood purification. Has properties to protect the stomach lining. Helps neutralize excess acids.

Kelp (Norwegian): Useful in maintaining a healthy condition and overcoming minor imbalances. Recommended for those who are weak and run down. Used in the recovery from acute ailments and in building energy back for those suffering chronic diseases.

Bladderwrack: Works on the glandular system. A reducing aid to be used in conjunction with other herbs for weight problems.

Gotu Kola: Considered one of the best herb tonics. Used for all ailments of the mind and nerves.



Research some more into these herbs. I just gave some basic information for you.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: appetite suppressants

From: "Aloe Vera Studies Organization" <aloe_vera_studies_org@email.msn.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:01:10 -0800

--------

A great appetite "suppressant" is clean, pure water - and lots of it!  (Just

make sure to stop drinking liquids at least 3 hours before bedtime.)



The Aloe Vera Studies Organization

http://www.aloe-vera.org



HOLLIDAY wrote in message <350A1A93.E8FBCE27@nep.net>...

>Chickweed is supposed to be an appetite suppressant.  I have a bottle,

>but haven't started taking it.  I'm  10-12 lbs overweight and my problem

>isn't that I'm hungry, but that I don't realize all I really am is

>thirsty.  BTW, Oprah's book, "Making the Connection" has lots of useful

>information, is very encouraging, and interesting too.

>

>The mind is like a parachute...

>it only functions when it's open.

>June

>

>Vivian wrote:

>

>> Are there any herbs that can be used to suppress the appetite?

>

>

>









==========

Subject: Re: appetite suppressants

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:00:19 -0800

--------

HOLLIDAY wrote:

> 

> Chickweed is supposed to be an appetite suppressant.   



I have read somewhere that Chickweed works best only as a fresh herb. 



J9





==========

Subject: ??? Antibacterial/Antibiotic

From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:29:36 +0100 (MET)

--------

Last night I grabbed an herbal book to research ANTIBIOTIC herbs.  The 

entry instructed the reader to also look under "Antibacterial" herbs.  

Under these two entries in the index, although they were crossreferenced 

--- there were two different lists of herbs.



Please, help ..... What is the difference between antibacterial & 

antibiotic?



In the past, I believe I've generally only seen the term antibiotic.



Can anyone clear my confusion??



TIA









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Subject: Re: ??? Antibacterial/Antibiotic

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 12 Mar 1998 18:23:00 -0700

--------

nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:



>Last night I grabbed an herbal book to research ANTIBIOTIC herbs.  The 

>entry instructed the reader to also look under "Antibacterial" herbs.  

>Under these two entries in the index, although they were crossreferenced 

>--- there were two different lists of herbs.

>

>Please, help ..... What is the difference between antibacterial & 

>antibiotic?



  Technically, an "antibiotic" is anything capable of killing any

disease causing life form (bio = life) ... however, its meaning

is almost synonymous with "anti-bacterial" in standard medicine.

  Things that kill fungal infections are either anti-fungal or

anti-mycotic.  Things that kill worns are anti-helmenthics ...

the other "antibiotics" use more precise names to describe their

action.



  Many antibiotic or antibacterial herbs are not really killing

the bacteria, they are slowing their reproduction down enough

that the body's normal defenses are capable of taking care of the

infection.

Callie

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(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

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Subject: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 22:44:14 +0100 (MET)

--------

What HERBS are being suggested as helpful for Lyme Disease?



There is an extensive body of research on the web about the use of 

colloidal silver in the successful treatment of lyme disease.  However, 

I am having difficulty locating similar information on herbal remedies 

in the treatment of lyme disease.  Do you have any anecdotal reports?



Lyme disease is a bacteriological infection caused by a spirochete --- 

which is also the causative factor in syphilis.



ANY HERBAL HISTORIANS out there???  I am curious:  Before the use of 

arsenic, what were the oldtime herbal "remedies" for syphilis?  



(I am assuming such herbs simply provided palliative relief for the CNS 

symptoms ---- so, please:  no lectures from skeptics about there being 

no such thing as an herbal CURE.)







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Subject: Re: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 12 Mar 1998 18:36:02 -0700

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nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:



>What HERBS are being suggested as helpful for Lyme Disease?

  A purified product from cultivated species of fungi works well

(erythromycin).



>Lyme disease is a bacteriological infection caused by a spirochete --- 

>which is also the causative factor in syphilis.

  HOLD IT!!!! Syphilis is caused by named Treponema pallida, and

Lyme disease by a  Bergdorfia something or other ... they aren't

even in the same genus, let alone being the same thing.



>ANY HERBAL HISTORIANS out there???  I am curious:  Before the use of 

>arsenic, what were the oldtime herbal "remedies" for syphilis?  

  Malaria - the fever from the malaria would kill the syphilis,

then quinine would kill the malaria.  

  Mercury was the favorite for centuries, until the arsenic-based

Salvarsan 606 was developed.

  Sarsaparilla, mezereon root, and quinine were mentioned in the

same book (1792) that also said mercury was the best treatment

known.



>(I am assuming such herbs simply provided palliative relief for the CNS 

>symptoms ---- so, please:  no lectures from skeptics about there being 

>no such thing as an herbal CURE.)

  There was no definitive diagnosis for syphilis: that and a host

of lesser STDs were pretty much treated with the same bunch of

herbs.  That makes treatment and cure rates hard to analyse.

Callie

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(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

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Subject: Re: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: christie29@webtv.net

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:26:09 -0500

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Lyme disease and syphilis are both caused by microorganisms called

spirochetes then they break down to the Borrelia Burgdorferi bacterium

that causes Lyme and treponema pallidum that causes syphilis.



she's like a cat in the dark,then she is the darkness.... >^-.-^<

                     





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Subject: Re: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: baird@gate.net (Baird Stafford)

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:53:07 -0500

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In article <199803122144.WAA27612@basement.replay.com>,

nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous) wrote:



<snip>



>ANY HERBAL HISTORIANS out there???  I am curious:  Before the use of 

>arsenic, what were the oldtime herbal "remedies" for syphilis?  



<snip>



To the best of my knowledge, no herbal remedies existed for syphilis

- or none that worked in a satisfactory manner, at any rate.  That's

why the disease was such a scourge.



Up until the discovery of penicillin, the treatment of choice was

mercury, though I don't know if the metal was served "raw," so to

speak, or in a tincture.



My own opinion is that as many people probably died of the cure as

of the disease.



Blessed be,

Baird



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Subject: Re: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 23 Mar 1998 00:29:44 GMT

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I successfully treated my own Lyme with Pau d'arco.  It is an

antibacterial, anti-fungal, anti-viral.  I used capsules and strong tea.  I

started with 12 capsules 5-6 times a day, and reduced it to 8 capsules

after the first day, and to three times a day after all symptoms

disappeared.  I sometimes substituted the tea (two teaspoons cut herb per

cup, boiled for 30-45 mins.) for a dose.  I took this for 10-14 days (can't

remember exactly).  No side effects other than I could feel it working

(tingling at sites I had been experiencing numbness).  



Anonymous <nobody@REPLAY.COM> wrote in article

<199803122144.WAA27612@basement.replay.com>...

> What HERBS are being suggested as helpful for Lyme Disease?

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:32:57 +0100 (MET)

--------

I am very intrigued with your comments about pau d'arco.



Several years back, I came upon several pounds of pau d'arco tea at a 

liquidator's sale.  I purchased all of it, as it was still 2 years until 

the expiration date.  I also picked up several bottles of capsules for a 

remarkably low price.  (These people did not realize what they were 

selling.)



Although I did NOT take as much as you did, I did use this all up.



The one thing is, though --- I thought I had a "dud" product, because I 

NEVER had any herxheimer nor "die-off" reaction whatsoever.  So, I just 

thought it hadn't "worked."  I am very interested in your telling us 

more about your experience.  How long had you had LD when you did this?  

Also, were you ever on abx --- AND, how long ago did you do this, wnd 

have you had any flare ups since then?



Also, did you have a lab test for Lyme Disease, or was it a clinical 

diagnosis.



Thank you for any further info you'd care to provide.





"Tuskegee Rose"  :)

































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Subject: Re: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 22:42:36 -0500

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I had only just gotten the Lyme disease.  I had read that if you didn't

catch it in the first 7-10 days, that it would attach to the nervous system

and go underground (so to speak), causing permanent damage and resurfacing

later in a manner similar to herpes/shingles.  I had all the symptoms:  tiny

bug bite, surrounded by a ring of small red bumps, numbness and tingling of

various body parts, dull headache, stiff neck, various aches and pains, I

can't remember if there was anything else.  At first I didn't associate the

symptoms and just thought I was really having a string of ill health/old

age.  When I realized what was happening, I had had the illness about 8

days.  I went to a minor emergency clinic for what I thought would be a

simple penicillin prescription.  Unfortunately, this was several years ago,

and so far Lyme had not yet been accepted as occurring in Florida (where I

live).  So they were reluctant to do anything other than order the test (the

antibodies don't even show up for weeks or months into the disease process)

and refer me to an internist.  Since I didn't have a family doctor (don't

believe in them normally, but this thing just really scared me),  much less

an association with an internist, either option would have put me way beyond

the 10 day time frame.



That was when I just happened to remember reading about Pau d'Arco having

antiviral,antibiotic and antifungal properties.  This was really my first

serious venture into taking herbs.  At the time, I was heavy into taking

vitamins and minerals; now all I take are herbs.  I was not afraid of taking

too much.  I considered the situation serious enough to warrant doing

whatever it took (esp. if in the process I could avoid Drs. and their

medicines).



When I first started the Pau d'Arco, with each dose I experienced a slightly

different reaction.  Along with a general calming and sleepyness, I

experienced tingling or warming of one of the body parts that had previously

shown numbness or twitching.  This occured with a different body part with

each of the first several doses, taken in reverse order from the way in

which the original symptoms had manifest.  I took this to mean that the

disease was being dealt with in those localized areas.  Do to this feeling,

I never doubted that the herb was working.  I have since used it for blood

poisoning, bad flu, ect.



It has been at least 6 years since I had the Lyme.  It is now recognized in

Florida, but I never bothered to go back for the blood test.  I have never

had a recurrance and am sure I never will.  I realize that it may be

somewhat harder to cure an inactive case of Lyme that has already attached

itself to the nervous system, but I hope this helps.  Maybe you could try

this the next time you have a flare-up.



Anonymous wrote in message <199803280032.BAA26102@basement.replay.com>...

>I am very intrigued with your comments about pau d'arco.

>>Although I did NOT take as much as you did, I did use this all up.

>

>The one thing is, though --- I thought I had a "dud" product, because I

>NEVER had any herxheimer nor "die-off" reaction whatsoever.  So, I just

>thought it hadn't "worked."  I am very interested in your telling us

>more about your experience.  How long had you had LD when you did this?

>Also, were you ever on abx --- AND, how long ago did you do this, wnd

>have you had any flare ups since then?

>

>Also, did you have a lab test for Lyme Disease, or was it a clinical

>diagnosis.

>

>Thank you for any further info you'd care to provide.

>

>

>"Tuskegee Rose"  :)

>

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Subject: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:28:06 +0100 (MET)

--------

Hi, Bill.



This is an absolutely fascinating account you have about Lyme Disease.  

Thank you for giving us all more details.



I am surprised that your CNS symptoms kicked in so very soon, apparently 

days after your bite.



I appreciate your dislike of vitamins/supplements --- in fact, although 

I do use herbs on occasion, I'm actually trying to get it to where I am 

simply dependent on "healing FOODS" for longterm maintainance of my LD.



I am very concerned about the inability of modern antibiotics to CURE 

Lyme Disease, particularly since antibiotics are known to depress the 

immune system.



Since you seem to have given this issue a great deal of thought, would 

you care to share what your "favorite" antibiotic herbs are?



Now that my previously undiagnosed Lyme Disease of two decades has 

finally been identified, I am actually having phone calls from my 

"scientific" friends asking me to please tell them about my various 

garlic & herbal protocols ---- cause although they realize I have been 

very ill, they also realize that I was able to achieve a HIGH degree of 

physical health through some VERY LowTech means.



Thanks again, for sharing.



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To: Anonymous <nobody@REPLAY.COM>

Subject: Re: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: Marji <jkdaddio@mail.ptdprolog.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 04:36:12 GMT

--------

What is your protocol for herbs and diet?  I'm convinced that a major

contributor to my steady recovery is from meticulous attention to dietary

healing foods but I also have taken lots of antibiotics.  Your success is

extraordinary.  I want to hear how you did it too.  Do tell.  Marji



Anonymous wrote:



> Hi, Bill.

>

> This is an absolutely fascinating account you have about Lyme Disease.

> Thank you for giving us all more details.

>

> I am surprised that your CNS symptoms kicked in so very soon, apparently

> days after your bite.

>

> I appreciate your dislike of vitamins/supplements --- in fact, although

> I do use herbs on occasion, I'm actually trying to get it to where I am

>

> simply dependent on "healing FOODS" for longterm maintainance of my LD.

>

> I am very concerned about the inability of modern antibiotics to CURE

> Lyme Disease, particularly since antibiotics are known to depress the

> immune system.

>

> Since you seem to have given this issue a great deal of thought, would

> you care to share what your "favorite" antibiotic herbs are?

>

> Now that my previously undiagnosed Lyme Disease of two decades has

> finally been identified, I am actually having phone calls from my

> "scientific" friends asking me to please tell them about my various

> garlic & herbal protocols ---- cause although they realize I have been

> very ill, they also realize that I was able to achieve a HIGH degree of

> physical health through some VERY LowTech means.

>

> Thanks again, for sharing.

>

> RoseRed

>

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Subject: Re: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:16:24 +0100 (MET)

--------

Some persons with Lyme diseae or multiple sclerosis are taking 

pycnogynol supplements to enhance the blood brain barrier.



What herbs would you suggest being pycnogynol-rich?



Which FOODS have the most assimilatable form of pycnogynols?



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Subject: ST JOHN WORT

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 13:53:41 -0800

--------

Does anyone know if it helps you lose weight?





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Subject: Pass the Cayenne

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 14:11:42 -0800

--------

I've read that Cayenne counteracts the formation of mucus.  Has anyone

used it for the helping w/sinus problems?  I get lots of PN drip,

antihistamines dry me up and irritates my nose, so it gets inflamed,

which in turn decreases any nasal drainage I have.  Thus causing more PN

drip, which irritates my throat and makes it more likely for sore

throat/infections.  It's a vicious circle.  Thanks



The mind is like a parachute...

it only functions when it's open.

June





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Subject: Re: Pass the Cayenne

From: Ggrrr@pop3.concentric.net

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:33:07 -0600

--------

I had a tremendous cough a few years ago, chest congenstion that was barely

short of pneumonia.  I combined cayenne with a bit of Eucalyptis oil in a

pot of boiling water and inhaled for ten minutes every hours.  Well, you

dont want to hear about what came out but it really cleared up the

congestion.  I dont find it effective by just ingesting it, in fact it

irritates my stomach, but the inhalation really worked wonders.  Just my

experience.



HOLLIDAY wrote:



> I've read that Cayenne counteracts the formation of mucus.  Has anyone

> used it for the helping w/sinus problems?  I get lots of PN drip,

> antihistamines dry me up and irritates my nose, so it gets inflamed,

> which in turn decreases any nasal drainage I have.  Thus causing more PN

> drip, which irritates my throat and makes it more likely for sore

> throat/infections.  It's a vicious circle.  Thanks

>

> The mind is like a parachute...

> it only functions when it's open.

> June











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Subject: Re: Pass the Cayenne

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:09:37 -0800

--------

Cayenne is a good antioxidant it feeds the necessary elements into the

cell structure of the arteries, veins and cappillaries so that these

regain the elasticity of youth again and the blood pressure adjusts

itself to normal.

My father-in-law takes cayenne pills for his heart problem and they work

great.



For a sinus problem I would recommend the herb Ephedra.





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Subject: Re: Pass the Cayenne

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:15:23 -0500

--------

SavanahSmiles@webtv.net wrote:

> 

> Cayenne is a good antioxidant it feeds the necessary elements into the

> cell structure of the arteries, veins and cappillaries so that these

> regain the elasticity of youth again and the blood pressure adjusts

> itself to normal.

> My father-in-law takes cayenne pills for his heart problem and they work

> great.

> 

> For a sinus problem I would recommend the herb Ephedra.





Stay away from Ephedra!!!   It's a very dangerous product!

Fidget





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Subject: Re: Pass the Cayenne

From: barkeep@brightok.net (barkeep)

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:10:25 GMT

--------

On Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:15:23 -0500, Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote:





>> For a sinus problem I would recommend the herb Ephedra.



>Stay away from Ephedra!!!   It's a very dangerous product!

>Fidget



Nonsense. Ephedra works fine for many things, including some sinus

conditions, spasms in the bronchial tubes, (bronchial asthma)

beinchitis, whooping cough, reduces allergic reactions such as hay

fever and other relate ed allergies. It has been used successfully in

the treatment of low blood pressure and circulatory insufficiency.



There are individuals that may be sensitive to the extracts bottled

and sold in health food stores, taking these capfuls by the handfuls

may be harmful to these individuals, but then taking forty or fifty

asprin at a time would also be harmful



Galen





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Subject: Re: Pass the Cayenne

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:38:46 -0500

--------

barkeep wrote:

> 

> On Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:15:23 -0500, Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote:

> 

> >> For a sinus problem I would recommend the herb Ephedra.

> 

> >Stay away from Ephedra!!!   It's a very dangerous product!

> >Fidget

> 

> Nonsense. Ephedra works fine for many things, including some sinus

> conditions, spasms in the bronchial tubes, (bronchial asthma)

> beinchitis, whooping cough, reduces allergic reactions such as hay

> fever and other relate ed allergies. It has been used successfully in

> the treatment of low blood pressure and circulatory insufficiency.

> 

> There are individuals that may be sensitive to the extracts bottled

> and sold in health food stores, taking these capfuls by the handfuls

> may be harmful to these individuals, but then taking forty or fifty

> asprin at a time would also be harmful

> 

> Galen





Ephedra is a natural thermogenic dietary supplement that suppress

appetite as well as increase the rate at which the body burns fat.



Vitamin Research Products (VRP) provides several weight management

formulas that contain Ephedra.  Thermo "T" is an instant herbal tea,

while Thermogenic Enhancer combines Ephedra, niacin and caffeine in a

capsule.  Another VRP product is ThermaLoss, which blends Ephedra,

L-carnitine and taurine, an antioxidant.



Dymetadrine 25 is an over-the-counter drug that is used to treat

bronchial spasms, but it is actually pure natural ephedrine, the drug

derived from Ephedra.



The basis for all thermogenic enhancers is the Ephedra herb, an herb

that has been used for centuries in the Orient, often in the form of Ma

Huang tea, for relief of asthma, nasal congestion and gastric cramps.



The way I see it, the original post asked for an herb for sinus

problems, not a weight loss herb.  Why would you recommend a product

that is used specifically for weight loss and has the potential for

helping relieve sinus problems?  My concern is that s/he may be only 90

lbs. or may have other health problems.  Why would you suggest a weight

loss herb when there are other herbs that will work specifically on the

use intended - SINUS PROBLEMS!



Fidget





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To: Fidget@warwick.net

Subject: Re: Pass the Cayenne

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:03:40 -0800

--------

Ephedra, or a derivative of it, is in Sudaphed, right?  Sudafed makes my

heart race like crazy, so I probably wouldn't touch the stuff, anyway.  Re:

Ephedra being dangerous, were you referring to this aspect of it, (esp. for

people  w/high blood pressure)...or is there more?  Thanks for all the

replies.



The mind is lika a parachute...

it only functions when it's open.

June



Fidget wrote:



> barkeep wrote:

> >

> > On Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:15:23 -0500, Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote:

> >

> > >> For a sinus problem I would recommend the herb Ephedra.

> >

> > >Stay away from Ephedra!!!   It's a very dangerous product!

> > >Fidget

> >

>











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Subject: Re: Diabetics- A better way of Life

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:54:55 GMT

--------



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Really.  My site (art, not medical) started out with only a few

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Pay attention to what newsgroups you're in. Participate in them as

best you can or remain silent when you have nothing to contribute.

Put your URL in your sig file.  People will* find you.  It just takes

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The 'Net and the Web are socially a bit different than what you're

used to in the real world.  Take it slowly and gently and enjoy it

all.  And people will, in turn, enjoy you more.







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Causbrook) wrote:



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>

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>                                                      John



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Subject: HEMORRHOID

From: Ed Myers <edmyers@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:21:57 -0600

--------

Well I have been thru over 300 post and not a one covered hemorrhoids.

What herb/treatment would be used for this condition?







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To: edmyers@postoffice.worldnet.att.net

Subject: Re: HEMORRHOID

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:19:03 -0700

--------

You can make a 'cream' with some coconut oil, a little ephedra powder and

peppermint essential oil.  It should shrink 'em right up and cool 'em off.

:)



Ed Myers wrote:



> Well I have been thru over 300 post and not a one covered hemorrhoids.

> What herb/treatment would be used for this condition?







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Subject: Re: HEMORRHOID

From: shannon@yoga.com (Shannon Brophy)

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:18:35 GMT

--------

Try witch hazel applied to the area with a cotton ball or gauze. Also

try grating a potato and sitting on the little pile. 

Shannon B. 

Midwife

>

>> Well I have been thru over 300 post and not a one covered hemorrhoids.

>> What herb/treatment would be used for this condition?





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Subject: Re: HEMORRHOID

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:04:38 -0800

--------

Vitamin E oil,  orally and externally.  Good luck.



Ed Myers wrote:



> Well I have been thru over 300 post and not a one covered hemorrhoids.

> What herb/treatment would be used for this condition?











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Subject: Re: HEMORRHOID

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 16 Mar 1998 12:44:01 -0700

--------

Also, drink aloe vera juice -- the drinkable from Trader Joes is

great.  It will help heal from the inside out.  Drink an ounce or two

each day.  Also, take a soaking warm bath at night.  Wil help shrink

same--  I have helped many people 'cure' hemorrhoids this way.

(Assuming you promise to never let yourself become constipated again,

'go' when you have to and other healthy things--)  God Bless.





HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net> wrote:



>Vitamin E oil,  orally and externally.  Good luck.



>Ed Myers wrote:



>> Well I have been thru over 300 post and not a one covered hemorrhoids.

>> What herb/treatment would be used for this condition?















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Subject: Re: HEMORRHOID

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 16 Mar 98 20:52:36 GMT

--------



Compresses of strong chamomile tea are supposed to be good for

reducing inflamation of hemorrhoids (or puffy eyes).



Hmmm....since applying cucumber slices help puffy eyes, would they

help hemorrhoids?



I have to admit I am somewhat skeptical about someone's mention

of internal aloe juice as a cure.  Most hemorrhoids go away on

their own after a while anyway.  Up until the last couple of

years I never saw any recommendation for aloe used internally

except as a purgative.  Now it's supposed to be a panacea.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: HEMORRHOID

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 17 Mar 1998 10:44:02 -0700

--------

Hi Jamie--  Actually, aloe vera has been used internally for many

years by those who live in the climate zone where aloe vera naturally

grows (where I live).  Be sure to purchase the aloe vera meant for

internal consumption.  Everyone must do what they feel is correct for

them.  my best...susan  



jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie) wrote:





>Compresses of strong chamomile tea are supposed to be good for

>reducing inflamation of hemorrhoids (or puffy eyes).



>Hmmm....since applying cucumber slices help puffy eyes, would they

>help hemorrhoids?



>I have to admit I am somewhat skeptical about someone's mention

>of internal aloe juice as a cure.  Most hemorrhoids go away on

>their own after a while anyway.  Up until the last couple of

>years I never saw any recommendation for aloe used internally

>except as a purgative.  Now it's supposed to be a panacea.



>-- 

>  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



>  		"There's a seeker born every minute."









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Subject: Re: HEMORRHOID

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 18 Mar 98 02:35:50 GMT

--------

jamie <jamie@bozo.local.net> wrote:

>

>Compresses of strong chamomile tea are supposed to be good for

>reducing inflamation of hemorrhoids (or puffy eyes).



When I wrote that I neglected to specify that it is German chamomile

(matricaria chamomilla), and not Roman chamomile (anthemis nobilis)

that is used for such inflammation.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Wholesale Herb Supplier Needed

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:22:42 -0700

--------

Hi,

I'm seriously considering switching my bulk herb supplier.

Does anyone have some company names/URLs for me to look at?

I'm not interested in small operations or people selling

retail.  I'm looking for a wholesale supplier of bulk herbs

for my business.  I'm having a tough time finding good ones.



Pam

pam@soapcrafters.com



--

Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

Soap Making Instructions

http://soapcrafters.com









==========

To: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Subject: Re: Wholesale Herb Supplier Needed

From: Andrew Gartner <webmaster@pennherb.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:20:49 -0500

--------

Check out pennherb

http://www.pennherb.com





==========

To: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Subject: Re: Wholesale Herb Supplier Needed

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:56:35 -0800

--------

Pam wrote:

> 

> Hi,

> I'm seriously considering switching my bulk herb supplier.

> Does anyone have some company names/URLs for me to look at?

> I'm not interested in small operations or people selling

> retail.  I'm looking for a wholesale supplier of bulk herbs

> for my business.  I'm having a tough time finding good ones.

> 

> Pam

> pam@soapcrafters.com

> 

> --

> Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

> Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

> Soap Making Instructions

> http://soapcrafters.com



I have boughten herbs from Frontier Herbs.  I have been very pleased

with the quality of their herbs.  I do not have their E-Mail address but

you can call them at 1-800-669-3275.

J9





==========

Subject: i'm using first aid any idea what this is?

From: jeffga99@aol.com (JeffGA99)

Date: 13 Mar 1998 04:39:40 GMT

--------

it has devils claw,shark cartilage,white poplar bark,black cohosh root,rhizome

and golden seal root. A guy at the gym told me to buy it. I did it seems

to take away my wrist pain but not sure if i should use the wrist to lift

again until it heals?

Jeff BA CS

www.geocities.com/Nashville/2794/index.html





==========

Subject: Ginger for nausea

From: ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Ivan Hrg (Jr.))

Date: 13 Mar 1998 19:02:45 GMT

--------





Can anyone tell me how much ginger one should take to prevent nausea? My

doctor told me this was a good alternative to Gravol. He forgot to tell me

how much to take.



Thanks,



Ivan







==========

Subject: Re: Ginger for nausea

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 04:21:29 GMT

--------



Ivan Hrg (Jr.) wrote in message <6ebvsl$104@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...

>

>

>Can anyone tell me how much ginger one should take to prevent nausea? My

>doctor told me this was a good alternative to Gravol. He forgot to tell me

>how much to take.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Ivan

>



Ivan,



If I am not mistaken, this is usually taken in the form of a tea.   Grated

Ginger in boiling water, let it steep, sip.    Ginger is also available in a

tincture form, I imagine in the absence of having fresh ginger in the house,

this could serve well.



Regards,

Evelyn









==========

Subject: Re: Ginger for nausea

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 17 Mar 1998 01:03:39 GMT

--------

In article <6ed0k9$178g$1@node17.frontiernet.net>, "The Puddies"

<puddies@frontiernet.net> writes:

>If I am not mistaken, this is usually taken in the form of a tea.   Grated

>Ginger in boiling water, let it steep, sip. 



It doesn't take much. Yogi Teas does a nice lemon/ginger tea. I find one bag in

cup of hot water works wonders.  I usually travel with a couple bags tucked in

my backpack -- great for airplanes and they will bring you just hot water if

you ask!



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





==========

Subject: Re: Ginger for nausea

From: Ggrrr@pop3.concentric.net

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:39:38 -0600

--------

I just take a suppliment in capsule form.  It's very helpful, I have an

extremely weak stomach.  Looks like 500ml per capsule.  You might also try a

little peppermint and or fenugreek tea.  These "freshen" the stomach, get rid

of that yucky sticky feeling.



Ivan Hrg (Jr.) wrote:



> Can anyone tell me how much ginger one should take to prevent nausea? My

> doctor told me this was a good alternative to Gravol. He forgot to tell me

> how much to take.

>

> Thanks,

>

> Ivan











==========

Subject: Re: Ginger for nausea

From: "Iva Luke" <hoprow@abts.net>

Date: 15 Mar 1998 18:54:59 GMT

--------

I used to give my my  daughter and myself  1/2 t. for monthly women's

cramps, really helps. But I don't know about nausea. I boiled a cup of

water, put giner in stirrring and sipped slow. Ivy Luke



Ivan Hrg (Jr.) <ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article

<6ebvsl$104@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...

> 

> 

> Can anyone tell me how much ginger one should take to prevent nausea? My

> doctor told me this was a good alternative to Gravol. He forgot to tell

me

> how much to take.

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Ivan

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Ginger for nausea

From: hhealth@global.co.za.X

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:19:13 GMT

--------

"Iva Luke" <hoprow@abts.net> wrote:



>I used to give my my  daughter and myself  1/2 t. for monthly women's

>cramps, really helps. But I don't know about nausea. I boiled a cup of

>water, put giner in stirrring and sipped slow. Ivy Luke

>

>Ivan Hrg (Jr.) <ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article

><6ebvsl$104@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...

>> 

>> 

>> Can anyone tell me how much ginger one should take to prevent nausea? My

>> doctor told me this was a good alternative to Gravol. He forgot to tell

>me

>> how much to take.



<snip>



I slice thin pieces of fresh ginger - two at most - and leave them

standing in just boiled water for about 5 minutes.  This helps me with

motion sickness and the nausea associated with it.  I also use ginger

"tea" to relieve a feeling of bloatedness in the stomach, as well as

when I used to get menstrual cramps.



Ginger "tea" is particularly useful (we've found) when playing games

like Doom, Tomb Raider, etc, as I suffer terribly with motion sickness

during these games.  I'm able to last about a whole 15 mintues instead

of 3 or 4!









Helen, Cape Town

hhealth@global.co.za

Spam Stopper: To reply, remove the ".X" part of my Reply To address





==========

Subject: Re: Ginger for nausea

From: "Susan McLeod" <sumac@connect.ab.ca>

Date: 17 Mar 98 13:45:57 GMT

--------





Ivan Hrg (Jr.) <ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article

<6ebvsl$104@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...

> 

> 

> Can anyone tell me how much ginger one should take to prevent nausea? My

> doctor told me this was a good alternative to Gravol. He forgot to tell

me

> how much to take.

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Ivan

> 

> 

If you are taking the capsules (550mg) is usually sufficient to prevent

nausea.  If you are using this as a preventative for motion sickness it

seems to be most effective when I've taken it 15 - 30 minutes before

traveling and then intermittently while traveling....sometimes as often as

every 2 hours.  My 82 year old mother takes this regularly with no ill

effects except....she has noticed a marked increase in

ahem......flatulence?  Since ginger is a carminative (for relief of

intestinal gas) this is not surprising <g>



Hope it helps,

Sue





==========

Subject: Re: Ginger for nausea

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:11:28 -0600

--------

You can also make tea.  Take some fresh ginger root and chop up  a Tbs and

cover with boiling water.  Let steep.  Sip on this.  You could use up to a

quart a day.  Good luck

Susan McLeod wrote in message <01bd51e6$90b74620$844d22cf@sue-mcleod>...

>

>

>Ivan Hrg (Jr.) <ac717@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> wrote in article

><6ebvsl$104@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...

>>

>>

>> Can anyone tell me how much ginger one should take to prevent nausea? My

>> doctor told me this was a good alternative to Gravol. He forgot to tell

>me

>> how much to take.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Ivan

>>

>>

>If you are taking the capsules (550mg) is usually sufficient to prevent

>nausea.  If you are using this as a preventative for motion sickness it

>seems to be most effective when I've taken it 15 - 30 minutes before

>traveling and then intermittently while traveling....sometimes as often as

>every 2 hours.  My 82 year old mother takes this regularly with no ill

>effects except....she has noticed a marked increase in

>ahem......flatulence?  Since ginger is a carminative (for relief of

>intestinal gas) this is not surprising <g>

>

>Hope it helps,

>Sue









==========

Subject: Re: Ginger for nausea

From: David Spero <mrrogers@igc.apc.org>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:36:05 -0800 (PST)

--------

Re: ginger for nausea

In my work as advice nurse and health counselor, I recommend ginger all

the time for nausea/vomiting of pregnancy.  Here in California, it is

easy to buy ginger candies, nearly all the Asian and Filipino groceries

sell them. Or you can make tea, or just suck on a slice of fresh ginger.



BUT, it doesn't always work.  Only about 40 - 50 % of clients I have

advised have reported benefit from the ginger.  Of course, it could

well be that pregnancy - induced nausea is harder to treat than some

other kinds.



David Spero, R.N.

/





==========

Subject: Re: Ginger for nausea

From: "Mickey Argo" <argom@flash.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:02:55 -0600

--------

I found ginger candy at a Chinese supermarket.  It worked great in my

daughters' car sickness!

Ivan Hrg (Jr.) wrote in message <6ebvsl$104@freenet-news.carleton.ca>...

>

>

>Can anyone tell me how much ginger one should take to prevent nausea? My

>doctor told me this was a good alternative to Gravol. He forgot to tell me

>how much to take.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Ivan

>









==========

Subject: Home Remedies for Anal Fissure

From: lgoldst1@rodalepress.com

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:27:03 -0600

--------

Does anyone know of any home remedies for anal fissures? The pain is

excruciating and my doctor insists on surgery, but I know this can be healed

with someting less invasive...anything to avoid surgery.



I thought about trying aloe vera gel , topically. Anyone have any experience

with this?



Thanks



-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

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==========

Subject: Re: Home Remedies for Anal Fissure

From: covent@innet.be.abc (Jean-Pierre Covent)

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:44:00 GMT

--------

lgoldst1@rodalepress.com wrote:



>Does anyone know of any home remedies for anal fissures? The pain is

>excruciating and my doctor insists on surgery, but I know this can be healed

>with someting less invasive...anything to avoid surgery.

>

>I thought about trying aloe vera gel , topically. Anyone have any experience

>with this?

>

>Thanks

>

>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

>http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading



I found this on my hard disk.Maybe it can help.



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Subject: Re: How best to cure fissures

Date: 5 Nov 1996 03:42:34 GMT

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In <55m60m$mrt@duster.adelaide.on.net> dbyrne@adelaide.on.net (Daniel

Byrne) writes: 

>

>bpurewal@lightspeed.bc.ca (Budh Purewal) wrote:

>

>>I've had it for a while now and it took 3 times visiting a doctor

>>before I got this diagnosis. The second time I got an expensive cream

>>called Proctosedyl and it worked for a time but became ineffective.

>>Now the doctor tells me to use Senokot S. It helps a little but one

>>bad bowel movement just brings back the pain. Doctor also told me to

>>keep using the cream. It's getting quite frustrating now.

>

>>Is there a way to speed up the healing process? Just when I think

it's

>>over it comes back again. How do I make it go away for good?

>

>Anal fissures not responding to medication can be treated by surgery.

>You have been prescribed the correct medication.

>The fissure is excised and the open wound heals properly.

>It is a painful procedure but it works.

>

>Thats what we would do in Australia.

>DB

>

You are "behind" the times.  The best way to treat anal fissures is

with 0.2 percent nitroglycerin ointment applied intra-anally.  NTG

works by causing the internal anal sphincter muscle to relax. 

Reduction in anal pressure is associated with healing of the fissure. 

Unlike the surgical reduction in sphincter pressure, NTG therapy does

not cause incontinence.

 

See:

1. Gorfine SR. Treatment of benign anal disease with topical

nitroglycerin. Dis Colon Rectum 1995;38:453-6; discussion 456-7.



2. Gorfine SR, Gelernt IM, Bauer JJ, Harris MT, Kreel I. Topical

nitroglycerin in the treatment of anal fissure. Dis Colon Rectum

1995;38:P12



3. Gorfine SR. Topical nitroglycerin therapy for anal fissures and

ulcers. N Engl J Med 1995;333:1156-1157.



4. Lund JN, Armitage NC, Scholefield JH. Use of glyceryl trinitrate

ointment in the treatment of anal fissure. Br J Surg 1996;83:776-777.



5. Lund JN, Scholefield JH. A randomized, double blind, placebo

controlled trial of glyceryl trinitrate ointment in the treatment of

anal fissure. 1996;Lancet, in press.



6. Schouten WR, Briel JW, Boerma MO, Auwerda JJA, Wilms EB, Graatsma

BH. Pathophysiological aspects and clinical outcome of intra-anal

application of isosorbide dinitrate in patients with chronic anal

fissure. Gut 1996;39:465

-469.



7. Watson SJ, Kamm MA, Nicholls RJ, Phillips RK. Topical glyceryl

trinitrate in the treatment of chronic anal fissure. Br J Surg

1996;83:771-775.



8. Sharp FR. Patient selection and treatment modalities for chronic

anal fissure. Am J Surg 1996;171:512-515.



9. Simons AJ, Beart RW. Glyceryl trinitrate for anal fissure. Lancet

1996;348:491-492.





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GLYCERYL TRINITRATE OINTMENT HEALS ANAL FISSURES.

  Lancet 1997 Jan 4; 349:11-14.



HRT MAY IMPROVE OUTCOMES AFTER ANGIOPLASTY.

  J Am Coll Cardiol 1997 Jan 1; 29:1-5.



GENDER DIFFERENCES IN HEALTH CARE UTILIZATION.

  J Fam Pract 1996 Dec; 43:567-76.



DRUNK DRIVING: COMMON ENOUGH TO DISCUSS WITH PATIENTS.

  JAMA 1997 Jan 8; 277:122-5.



BIKE HELMETS: EVIDENCE OF BENEFIT MOUNTS.

  JAMA 1996 Dec 25; 276:1968-73.

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  JAMA 1997 Jan 8; 277:133-7.



JOURNAL WATCH 1996 READER SURVEY RESULTS.

DT.-970124.



AN.-1.

HL.-GLYCERYL TRINITRATE OINTMENT HEALS ANAL FISSURES.

NS.-Glyceryl trinitrate (GTN) ointment has been shown to

reduce maximum anal resting pressure, producing a "chemical

sphincterotomy." Researchers in this prospective study

randomized 80 consecutive patients with chronic anal

fissures to 0.2 percent GTN ointment or placebo ointment

applied twice daily by the patient to the lower anal canal.

   At eight weeks, the fissure had healed in 26 of 38

patients (68 percent) with GTN and 3 of 39 (8 percent) with

placebo, a significant difference. GTN users also had

significantly lower maximum anal resting pressure and

increased anodermal blood flow compared with baseline, but

there was no change with placebo. Both groups had some pain

reduction initially, but this reduction was sustained at

four weeks only with GTN. Fifty-eight percent of GTN users

had headaches at some point, but only one had to stop

treatment because of this side effect.

   Comment: GTN ointment effectively healed chronic anal

fissures in most patients. These patients might otherwise

have required surgery, which can cause long-term continence

problems. GTN ointment may become the treatment of choice

for anal fissures. --B Jarman.

AU.-Lund JN; Scholefield JH.

TI.-A randomised, prospective, double-blind,

placebo-controlled trial of glyceryl trinitrate ointment in

treatment of anal fissure.

SO.-Lancet 1997 Jan 4; 349:11-14.



AN.-2.

HL.-HRT MAY IMPROVE OUTCOMES AFTER ANGIOPLASTY.

NS.-Hormone replacement therapy has a variety of potential

cardiovascular benefits. This retrospective study raises the

possibility that HRT is especially helpful for women who

have undergone coronary angioplasty.

   Subjects included 337 postmenopausal women who underwent

PTCA in Kansas City, Missouri: 137 had used HRT at the time

of angioplasty and during follow-up, and the remaining 200

had not (the two groups were matched by age and

cardiovascular characteristics); none had undergone prior

PTCA or had a recent acute myocardial infarction. Average

length of follow-up was 65 months.

   Actuarial 7-year survival was 93 percent among HRT users

versus 75 percent among nonusers. The cardiac death rate was

lower in those who used HRT (4 vs. 15 percent), as was the

overall cardiovascular event rate (death, MI, or stroke; 12

vs. 35 percent). Multivariate analysis indicated that HRT

use led to a 62 percent reduction in risk for MI or cardiac

death. The need for subsequent revascularization procedures

was similar in the two groups (about 50 percent).

   Comment: These observational data indicate that HRT is

associated with better outcomes after PTCA, but do not prove

a cause-and-effect relation. If HRT did play a causal role,

the mechanism is unclear, given the similar rate of

subsequent revascularization in the two groups. --TH Lee.

AU.-O'Keefe JH; et al.

TI.-Estrogen replacement therapy after coronary

angioplasty in women.

SO.-J Am Coll Cardiol 1997 Jan 1; 29:1-5.





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Subject: Re: Home Remedies for Anal Fissure

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:36:17 -0500

--------

J Martin wrote:

> 

> lgoldst1@rodalepress.com wrote:

> >

> > Does anyone know of any home remedies for anal fissures? The pain is

> > excruciating and my doctor insists on surgery, but I know this can be healed

> > with someting less invasive...anything to avoid surgery.

> >

> > I thought about trying aloe vera gel , topically. Anyone have any experience

> > with this?

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> > http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

> 

> Colloidal silver salve will probably work very well for this condition.

> Please email if you'd like some info.  Our family has used colloidal

> silver in both salve and liquid form for many different ailments and

> conditions and have found it to be nothing short of outstanding.

> 

> Julie





Oh geez!  I know the pain you're going through...I had the same thing! 

My doctor wouldn't do any surgery...said it would make it worse. 

Amazing how doctors opinions differ huh?  Maybe some just look to make

more $$$  (you think?)



My doc told me to take those Fibercons pills (or any others that will

add more fiber to your diet). Drink more fluids.  Believe it or not, it

works.  I still have itching sometimes, but nothing like not before!

Fidget





==========

Subject: Re: Home Remedies for Anal Fissure

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 18 Mar 1998 12:23:22 GMT

--------



Fidget wrote in message <350DA961.27F5@warwick.net>...

>J Martin wrote:

>>

>> lgoldst1@rodalepress.com wrote:

>> >

>> > Does anyone know of any home remedies for anal fissures? The pain is

>> > excruciating and my doctor insists on surgery, but I know this can be

healed

>> > with someting less invasive...anything to avoid surgery.

>> >

>> > I thought about trying aloe vera gel , topically. Anyone have any

experience

>> > with this?

>> >

>> > Thanks

>> >

>> > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

>> > http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

>>

>> Colloidal silver salve will probably work very well for this condition.

>> Please email if you'd like some info.  Our family has used colloidal

>> silver in both salve and liquid form for many different ailments and

>> conditions and have found it to be nothing short of outstanding.

>>

>> Julie

>

>

>Oh geez!  I know the pain you're going through...I had the same thing!

>My doctor wouldn't do any surgery...said it would make it worse.

>Amazing how doctors opinions differ huh?  Maybe some just look to make

>more $$$  (you think?)

>

>My doc told me to take those Fibercons pills (or any others that will

>add more fiber to your diet). Drink more fluids.  Believe it or not, it

>works.  I still have itching sometimes, but nothing like not before!

>Fidget





I literally cured all my problems in this department by starting to drink

vegetable juice.   I bought a juicer on sale, and was astounded how it ended

all my constipation problems and all the problems that came with the

constipation.



Regards,

Evelyn









==========

Subject: Re: Home Remedies for Anal Fissure

From: metrics1@foehre.HL.Siemens.DE (Anton Ossner)

Date: 18 Mar 1998 15:08:37 +0100

--------

I had severe problems and just started adding more fiber to my diet and it all went away, no itching, no constipation, and I lost some weight to boot - if you're full of fiber, there's no room for anything else.



Bryan







==========

Subject: Re: Home Remedies for Anal Fissure

From: RhiannonWitch@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:53:13 -0500

--------

I've also had this painful problem.  I actually made homemade

suppositiories out of cocca butter, and would insert them daily before

bed.  The fissues  and hemmeroids<sp cleared up after about a week.  I

also upped my intake of water and used fiber.  I really feel the cocca

butter helped soften the stool, made it's exit

effortless and  helped the fissues heal by coating  and protecting the

tissue.  Hope you have some luck.

                                             Rhiannon

P.S. Making the suppositiories by hand was a pain, but worth it.





==========

Subject: Re: Home Remedies for Anal Fissure

From: "W. Cathey" <carter1@sprynet.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:39:48 -0600

--------

My impression of an anal fissure was that the fissure area never heals

completely, but rather; it remains weak and prone to future problems.  Is

this true or does the fissure heal completely over time?



-Carter



RhiannonWitch@webtv.net wrote in message

<6f6ej9$k8i$1@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...

I've also had this painful problem.  I actually made homemade

suppositiories out of cocca butter, and would insert them daily before

bed.  The fissues  and hemmeroids<sp cleared up after about a week.  I

also upped my intake of water and used fiber.  I really feel the cocca

butter helped soften the stool, made it's exit

effortless and  helped the fissues heal by coating  and protecting the

tissue.  Hope you have some luck.

                                             Rhiannon

P.S. Making the suppositiories by hand was a pain, but worth it.









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Subject: Evening Primrose Anyone??

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:19:03 -0800

--------

Does anyone know about Evening Primrose? I heard its Good for Pms and

helping remove fatty acids. If anyone knows much or has taken this herb

please E-mail me SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Thanks, Savanah





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Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Anyone??

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 05:39:12 GMT

--------



SavanahSmiles@webtv.net wrote in message

<6ec7s7$8j0$1@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...

Does anyone know about Evening Primrose? I heard its Good for Pms and

helping remove fatty acids. If anyone knows much or has taken this herb

please E-mail me SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Thanks, Savanah



It is good for quite a few things, I have heard, including menopause

symptoms etc.  Unfortunately, I personally am allergic to it, got very itchy

when I tried taking it.   Itching stopped as soon as I stopped.   Tried it

again, same thing, so I know for sure it was the Evening primrose that did

it.



Evelyn









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Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Anyone??

From: oponfam@iols.net (Kathie and David)

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:48:13 -0600

--------



>SavanahSmiles@webtv.net wrote in message

><6ec7s7$8j0$1@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...

>Does anyone know about Evening Primrose? I heard its Good for Pms and

>helping remove fatty acids. If anyone knows much or has taken this herb

>please E-mail me SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

>Thanks, Savanah



I've been using Evening Primrose Oil for about a year now for PMS and the

results have been very positive. In fact at times, when I've experimented

with other herbs and vitamins I've tried stopping the Primrose oil and my

symptoms, particularly irritability, worsen. I have had no negative side

effects at all. I take two 500mg soft gels three times a day. Hope this

helps.



Kathie





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Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Anyone??

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:38:24 -0600

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Here is some information on Evening Primrose Oil.



Considered by many to be the most beneficial supplement known to man

Functions: 

Lowers weight without dieting 

Lowers blood cholesterol 

Lowers blood pressure to normal 

Heals or improves eczema 

Stops Rheumatoid Arthritis (moderate cases) 

Normalizes saliva and tear production 

Relieves premenstrual pain 

Slows progression of Multiple Sclerosis 

Improves acne when taken with zinc 

Improves function of hyperactive children 

Improves fingernails 

Alleviates hangovers 

  

Directions: 

As a food supplement, take three to six capsules daily. Amount varies according to the nutritional program you are on. Speak to your nutritional counselor. 

  

Once Evening Primrose was known chiefly for its beauty. A few knew of its healing powers as an herb, but all in all, not much attention has been paid to this valuable plant.

The rare nutrient found in Evening Primrose Oil is gamma-linolenic acid (GLA) - by far the richest source, as the oil is 9% GLA. (Incidentally, do not confuse GLA with Linoleic acid or the common form of Linolenic acid which is the ineffective alpha-linolenic acid of ALA.) GLA is essential to good health because it is needed in order for the body to make a family of hormone-like compounds that control every organ in the body. These compounds especially affect the heart and circulation, skin and defense mechanism against disease. The members of this vital family of compounds are called prostaglandins (PGs). Anyone having a deficiency of GLA will also have a shortage of PGs, resulting in impaired health. The nutritional optimization of a PG is a revolutionary breakthrough in health care.

Even though some doctors may prescribe Evening Primrose Oil as a dietary supplement, it is not a drug. It does not force the body to do or make anything. The extra GLA made available in the diet allows the body to make all the PGs needed for health. The roles of Evening Primrose Oil are both that of a nutrient and of a remedial dietetic.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Anyone??

From: MzLily@hotmail.com (Lily)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 05:49:33 GMT

--------

On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:38:24 -0600, "slade or kay henson"

<nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote:



>Here is some information on Evening Primrose Oil.

>



>The rare nutrient found in Evening Primrose Oil is gamma-linolenic acid =

>(GLA) - by far the richest source, as the oil is 9% GLA. 

major snippage



GLA is found in many herbs. Black currant oil, has 14%-16% of GLA.

Borage oil has 24%-26% GLA. Evening primrose is by far NOT the richest

source.



Lily





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Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Anyone??

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:41:54 -0600

--------

The article I posted was written by Lynn Wilde, N.D., Ph.D. who is highly educated and has consults with M.D.s all over the country. I feel his source of study and information is of top quality.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Lily wrote in message <351f321d.192012109@news.cwo.com>...

>major snippage

>

>GLA is found in many herbs. Black currant oil, has 14%-16% of GLA.

>Borage oil has 24%-26% GLA. Evening primrose is by far NOT the richest

>source.

>

>Lily







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Subject: Re: Seeking Info - asthma & Greek oregano (TRY EPHEDRA INSTEAD)

From: SavanahSmiles@webtv.net

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:34:48 -0800

--------

The Herb EPHEDRA: works great for asthma, nasal congestion, coughing,

pain in joints, shortness of breath, wheezing, cold and flu, and edema.

Possible side effects: insomnia, high blood pressure, urinary

disturbances, glaucoma, and motor disturbances.

This sould not be taken by someone with hypertension, high blood

pressure, heart disease, thyroid disease or diabetes, or someone who is

taking a monoamine oxidase inhibitor.

Its best to seek the opinion of a physician before using Ephedra

products.





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Subject: Bad Ass Antibiotic

From: larry@ask.net (Larry)

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:13:44 GMT

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Through a Champion Juicer:



organic carrot

organic celery

1-2 organic clove(s) strong garlic



note:  allow ALL fresh-squeezed juices to mix with your saliva before

swallowing, or you will probably get a sore stomach.  





==========

Subject: Re: Bad Ass Antibiotic

From: silver@newhealth.net

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 14:30:20 -0600

--------

In article <3509f537.8005227@client1.news.psi.net>,

  larry@ask.net (Larry) wrote:

>

> Through a Champion Juicer:

>

> organic carrot

> organic celery

> 1-2 organic clove(s) strong garlic

>

> note:  allow ALL fresh-squeezed juices to mix with your saliva before

> swallowing, or you will probably get a sore stomach.

>

You are absolutely correct! Garlic is known as the 'Poor Man's Pennicillin'.

It's an extremely effective antiviral,antibiotic food!

See this site for more info on what fresh juices and garlic can do for you!

http://www.newhealth.net/schulze/





-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading





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Subject: wild herbs

From: Ron <ronpierce@yahoo.com>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:21:34 -0800

--------

Hi. I am looking for an excellent book for the layperson that shows

herbs and such that grow in my area.  Basically, I need something that I

can carry out into the woods with me and will help me identify any plant

or such that I find.  If you have any ideas I would very much appreciate

you sharing them.  Thanks in advance.





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Subject: Re: wild herbs

From: mk95528@aol.com (Mk95528)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 11:19:19 GMT

--------

>Hi. I am looking for an excellent book for the layperson that shows

>herbs and such that grow in my area.  Basically, I need something that I

>can carry out into the woods with me and will help me identify any plant

>or such that I find.  If you have any ideas I would very much appreciate

>you sharing them.  Thanks in advance.

>

>

>



http://www.pennherb.com/



Check out this web site , they have a card of each  plant in an index box with

descriptions, etc..



Sincerely;

Margie

http://members.aol.com/mk95528/rarebooks.html 





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Subject: Re: wild herbs

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 12:32:47 GMT

--------

HI-not sure where you are located, but all the Petersen guides are excellent.I

use mine all the time.I started w/ the Medicinal Herb book and spent 3 seasons

walking and identifying. Have fun!





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Subject: Re: wild herbs

From: baird@gate.net (Baird Stafford)

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:58:35 -0500

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In article <3509F7BE.4E19@yahoo.com>,

Ron <ronpierce@yahoo.com> wrote:



>Hi. I am looking for an excellent book for the layperson that shows

>herbs and such that grow in my area.  Basically, I need something that I

>can carry out into the woods with me and will help me identify any plant

>or such that I find.  If you have any ideas I would very much appreciate

>you sharing them.  Thanks in advance.



You didn't say what area you're in, so perhaps my contribution won't

be of much assistance.  However, the book I have that I like best

is:



_A_Field_Guide_to_Medicinal_Plants_,

_Eastern_and_Central_North_America_, copyright 1990 by Stephen

Foster and James A. Duke,Houghton Mifflin Company, NY ISBN

0-395-46722-5



This is one of the Peterson Field Guide Series, and is sponsored by

the National Audobon Society, the National Wildlife Federation and

the Roger Tory Peterson Institute, so I trust the research that

appears in it - though none of these organizations (probably)

participated in doing the research, it would more than likely have

been conducted properly if they agreed to lend their names to the

book.



Also, given Peterson's usual practice, I would guess that a similar

book exists for other regions of North America.



Blessed be,

Baird



--

Baird Stafford (baird@gate.net)

Modkin, soc.religion.paganism

No one really listens to anyone else, and if you try it for a while you'll see why. -Florrie Capp





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Subject: Re: Antibacterial/Antibiotic ??

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 04:12:58 GMT

--------



Anonymous wrote in message <199803132148.WAA22056@basement.replay.com>...

>Last night I grabbed an herbal book to research ANTIBIOTIC herbs.  The

>entry instructed the reader to also look under "Antibacterial" herbs.

>Under these two entries in the index, although they were crossreferenced

>--- there were two different lists of herbs.

>

>Please, help ..... What is the difference between antibacterial &

>antibiotic?

>

>

>

>Can anyone clear my confusion??

>

>TIA

>





Hi Tia,



I am aware that often herbs which are used as antibiotics, are actually

immune system boosters.   This may have something to do with the

description.



Echinacea, Golden Seal, Astragalus to mention a couple of them.



Regards,

Evelyn



______________________________________________________

>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com









==========

Subject: sinus infections

From: "Stewart Stiles" <stubeck@cet.com>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 05:02:38 GMT

--------

Hi, our 5 yr old son gets sinus infections that cause a lot of coughing. 

Any ideas for natural cures or helps for this conditions?  Also, what is

good for building up the immune system?  Thanks, Becky







==========

Subject: Re: sinus infections

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 20:18:59 GMT

--------



Stewart Stiles wrote in message <01bd4f06$17e7b0a0$395a60ce@stubeck>...

>Hi, our 5 yr old son gets sinus infections that cause a lot of coughing.

>Any ideas for natural cures or helps for this conditions?  Also, what is

>good for building up the immune system?  Thanks, Becky





Hi Becky,



Here is my favorite sinus helper.



First, no milk products.



Secondly both AM and PM spray and rinse with saline solution and blow out to

clear away dust and irritants that cause infections to start.   I found one

with a bit of menthol in it that really is great.



Now for the herbal stuff.



12 drops of Astragalus tincture

12 drops of Echinacea

12 drops of Golden Seal



As for the dosage and the frequency, this can vary.   I take it in the

evening before bed in a little water, and sip it.   The golden seal has a

way of drying up the nose and letting one sleep better.



These products are immune boosters, and you can use them even several times

a day when you have a really bad problem, or just in the evening when you

feel one coming on.



I have also added Nettle to that mixture as a antihistimine on occasion.



Works for me for that last few years now.



Regards,

Evelyn









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Subject: Re: sinus infections

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:57:29 -0800

--------

Keep in mind that doses for children are different than doses  for adults.  If

you browse the book store, look for "Sinus Survival", you can find tables of

what to take and what doses for both children and adults.  Best of Luck , June







The Puddies wrote:



> Stewart Stiles wrote in message <01bd4f06$17e7b0a0$395a60ce@stubeck>...

> <snip> ...Any ideas for natural cures or helps for this conditions?  Also,

> what is

> >good for building up the immune system?  Thanks, Becky

>

> Hi Becky,

> Here is my favorite sinus helper.

> First, no milk products.

> <<snip>>

> Now for the herbal stuff.

>

> 12 drops of Astragalus tincture

> 12 drops of Echinacea

> 12 drops of Golden Seal

> <<snip>>











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Subject: Re: toenail fungus cure FREE

From: "~ Windsong ~" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 09:12:32 GMT

--------

You can make your own curing oil for this problem at home for FREE.  It's

1/3 regular iodine and 2/3 light mineral oil mixed well.  This should kill

the toe nail fungus as well as any available.  This also smothers and

poisons other fungus caused problems such as human ring worm, hot spots on

dogs, some outer ear infections, athletes feet etc.

-- 

Carol.....

*** Man who smoke pot choke on handle. ***

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*





Casey Chitwood <casey-chitwood@worldnet.att.net> wrote in article

<6edgif$bj7@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

> If anyone is interested in ordering this oil wholesale, I have a great

> source.

> Casey





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Subject: St.John's wort/Mexico Vacation

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 12:45:54 GMT

--------

From all the stuff I've read about SJW I really do not think you have any thing

to worry about.Check out Michael Moore's web page-----explains one very

isolated case study--------------Have fun/use sunscreen!





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Subject: St. John's Wart and Coumadin -- contraindicated?

From: suen96@aol.com (SueN96)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 13:50:58 GMT

--------

I need to know if a person taking the blood thinner, Coumadin, may take St.

John's Wart.  Are there any contraindications?

Thanks. Sue





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Subject: HEALTHY SKIN

From: Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 13:57:19 GMT

--------

What are the best vitamins/minerals/herbs for skin improvement?  I just

quit smoking, and am interested in trying to "revitalize" my skin

through use of supplements.  I am currently using Retin-A topicaLly. Any

information would be appreciated.  PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND IF YOU ARE

TRYING TO SELL  ME SOMETHING!



Thanks.



Cindi





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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: mk95528@aol.com (Mk95528)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 20:11:12 GMT

--------

>What are the best vitamins/minerals/herbs for skin improvement?  I just

>quit smoking, and am interested in trying to "revitalize" my skin



Hi Cindi-



You can check out our web site if you like for the text file "nature.zip"

unzipped you can open the file "nature.txt" in your word processor. 

Scroll down to "sample text files...." click on this to get to the list of free

downloads. Good luck with your re-search  (-;



Sincerely;

Margie

http://members.aol.com/mk95528/rarebooks.html





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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 20:24:26 GMT

--------



Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net> wrote in

message <6ee2bv$29nq$1@node17.frontiernet.net>...

>What are the best vitamins/minerals/herbs for skin improvement?  I just

>quit smoking, and am interested in trying to "revitalize" my skin

>through use of supplements.  I am currently using Retin-A topicaLly. Any

>information would be appreciated.  PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND IF YOU ARE

>TRYING TO SELL  ME SOMETHING!

>

>Thanks.

>

>Cindi



Hi Cindi,



First of all, DHEA is awesome for skin.   Noticeable differences.   Also I

use very good skin products, like Lancome etc.   DO NOT use anything that is

harsh like exfoliants.   They create miniature scarring that makes your skin

age too much.



Never use anything harsher than your own palms on your face.   Treat your

skin like you were trying to wash and save a rose petal.



Everytime you wash, moisturize, and forget the cheap stuff.



NEVER go to bed with makeup on your face, wash, blot dry, and moisturize.

Do it religiously.... the results will be so dramatic you won't believe it.



Regards,

Evelyn









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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 04:08:08 GMT

--------

>Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net> wrote in

>message <6ee2bv$29nq$1@node17.frontiernet.net>...

>>What are the best vitamins/minerals/herbs for skin improvement?  I just

>>quit smoking, and am interested in trying to "revitalize" my skin

>>through use of supplements.



First off, congrats on your quit!!  I've been "smober" for over a year and

a half and am feeling wonderful!!

As for revitalizing, nature has its way of doing this naturally when you

quit smoking.  I take a mult-vitamin/herbal supplement daily and make sure

to drink lots of water.  I only use water when washing my face as I've

found the the chemicals in soaps and fancy make-up removers tends to

disagree with my sensitive skin.  I do use a mositerizer on my skin,

Lubriderm is a wonderful all over skin moisterizer and I don't wear much

make-up.

As for premature aging/wrinkles, I find staying out of the sun or using a

strong sun block all over to be the best remedy around.  I'm 37 and fair

complected.  People swear I'm about 30.

May you enjoy many healthy, smoke free years!!

bright blessings

bella





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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 15 Mar 1998 08:12:00 -0700

--------

Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net>

wrote:



>What are the best vitamins/minerals/herbs for skin improvement?  I just

>quit smoking, 

  Congratulations!  It will take a while to lose that "smoker's

complexion".

>and am interested in trying to "revitalize" my skin

>through use of supplements. I am currently using Retin-A topicaLly.

  With Retin-A you have to be VERY careful to avoid sunburn.

Always use sunscreens and big hats.



   Things for good skin (free or cheap, and I'm not selling):

Things you consume:

1. Adequate water intake - 8 8-oz glasses of water a day for the

average climate, more if the humidity is low or the weather

really hot.

2. Good, varied diet, following the current USDA guidelines for

mostly fruit/veggie/grains and lesser amounts of meat and fat.

An occasional lapse into chocolate fudge brownies won't hurt.

3. Moderate exercise to stimulate the circulation to the skin and

start healing the damage that smoking causes to the peripheral

circulation.

4. A multi-purpose vitamin/mineral supplement just in case



Things you apply to skin:

1. Mild soap to get rid of dirt and makeup.

2. Moisturizing creme or lotion.  Cheap or $$$$ ...

   they are all just sealing in the water in your

   skin.  Best applied after exposure to very humid air,

   which is when your skin has the most absorbed moisture.

3. Masques - the peel-off kind or the mud kind can give a 

   brief boost to the looks.

   I use Freeman's - cheap, effective and smell good.

   Don't fall for the higher priced mystique.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 16 Mar 1998 11:39:08 GMT

--------

Thanks for all the wonderful skin advice!Another source for info is in Herbal

Healing for Women, by Rosemary Gladstar.She has some wonderful ideas and

recipes for the skin.And the book is only $12----

                Peace,Marianne





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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 14:30:11 GMT

--------

In article <6ee2bv$29nq$1@node17.frontiernet.net>,

Cindi and Jeff Smith  <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>What are the best vitamins/minerals/herbs for skin improvement?  I just

>quit smoking, and am interested in trying to "revitalize" my skin

>through use of supplements.  I am currently using Retin-A topicaLly. Any

>information would be appreciated.  PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND IF YOU ARE

>TRYING TO SELL  ME SOMETHING!



As a general rule, the foods which contain all of the components

of healthy skin in exactly the correct proportions are the skins

of other animals.  Which skin to eat depends on your own skin

problems.  For example, if you had oily or scaly skin, you certainly

wouldn't want to eat fish skin.  If you had bumpy skin, you wouldn't

eat chicken or goose skin.  For most people, pork skin most closely

approximates the ideal of a moist, full skin.  The most common

form of pork skin found in supermarkets are fried pork rinds.

Hope this helps!  :-)







==========

Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: "lobakola" <lobakola@mail.csrlink.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:22:18 -0500

--------

dont eat meat.









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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 18 Mar 1998 23:05:35 GMT

--------



lobakola wrote in message <6ephdv$7q8$1@pigpen.csrlink.net>...

>dont eat meat.

>





I disagree.   I eat meat, and have no wrinkles at all at age 56



Evelyn









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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: danjo51@webtv.net (Daniel Kolakowski)

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:42:04 -0500

--------

I use a tea tree oil/vitamin E  creame called derma-E. It's a great skin

healer and also clears adult acne and skin rash.





==========

Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:55:15 -0500

--------



Mark Thorson wrote in message ...

>As a general rule, the foods which contain all of the components

>of healthy skin in exactly the correct proportions are the skins

>of other animals.  Which skin to eat depends on your own skin

>problems.  For example, if you had oily or scaly skin, you certainly

>wouldn't want to eat fish skin.  If you had bumpy skin, you wouldn't

>eat chicken or goose skin.  For most people, pork skin most closely

>approximates the ideal of a moist, full skin.  The most common

>form of pork skin found in supermarkets are fried pork rinds.

>Hope this helps!  :-)

>



LOL!  I hope you meant this as a joke!  Eat fish skin?  You mean the scales?

Is that a new kind of herb?  And the skin from mammals and poultry has far

too much fat (far *more* oil than "fish skin") to be recommended for

*anyone* except maybe anorexics.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: "Joyce Lovell" <joyce@clandjop.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:22:59 -0800

--------

Dandilium is a good herb for skin - my son had teenage acne- he drank a cup

of dandilium tea morning and night and in about 7 weeks his face was cleared

up no scaring-we were amazed









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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:05:22 -0500

--------

Joyce Lovell wrote:

> 

> Dandilium is a good herb for skin - my son had teenage acne- he drank a cup

> of dandilium tea morning and night and in about 7 weeks his face was cleared

> up no scaring-we were amazed





love this simple answer!  

also, look into Horsetail and Tea Tree Oil. Amazing results!



Choalayna

EnchanteD EncounterS

http://www.enchantedencounters.com

EnchanteD EncounterS Webring!

http://www.enchantedencounters.com/webring.htm









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Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 17 Mar 1998 01:03:31 GMT

--------

In article <6ee2bv$29nq$1@node17.frontiernet.net>, Cindi and Jeff Smith

<"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net> writes:



> PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND IF YOU ARE

>TRYING TO SELL  ME SOMETHING!



Try water. It's free. Actually, doing the eight glasses a day is very, very

good for your skin. Vegetarian diet helps. Detox herbs, like milk thistle, help

(and are probably a good idea for somebody giving up smoking anyway). 



An "aesthitician" is somebody trained in skin care -- often connected with a

spa. We've got a couple on our block that do herbal facials, etc., and that's

fun if nothing else. Very relaxing, especially if they leave you in that quiet

little room with the soft music playing and a nice warm towel wrapped around

your bare feet...



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





==========

Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker)

Date: 22 Mar 1998 13:11:59 GMT

--------

I have very fair, very sensitive skin that breaks out into rashes and/or acne

with little provocation.



I find that the single most effective thing I can do to improve my skin is to

EAT PROPERLY - lots of fruits, vegees, and grain, lots of water or other

non-caffenated fluids.  Do I always do this?  Of course not, I'm a human being,

I occassionally indulge in poor eating habits and I usually pay for it when I

do.  I also have food allergies, which can also mess up my skin.



I avoid cosmetics and even most commercial moisturizers and sunscreens as I

find them to be irritating to the skin.  Once in awhile, OK - if I know I'm

going to be out in the sun during midday and can't avoid it I'll use sunscreen,

otherwise I just avoid the sun, wear a hat, long loose sleeves in summer, etc.



Despite the sensitive skin, I spend a lot of time outside in the winter.  I

also like to fly open-cockpit airplanes, which means cold, dry air even in the

summertime, and increased ultraviolent radiation as you climb in altitude. 

This isn't good for anyone's skin.  My favorite moisturizers/skin protectants

are, in order of increasing protection  1) aloe vera 2) oils such as olive

(which unfortunately makes me smell like a Greek kitchen) or almond or any of a

number of others, and  3) for really heavy duty situations, I'll use a thiny

spread layer of vaseline, particularly around the eyes, when I know my face

will be exposed to extreme cold or high winds  (Winter hiking, skiing, cold

weather flying).  Warm it up before using it and you'll find it spreads a lot

easier.  But you can't leave vaseline on for long periods of time, it blocks

the pores, so if you use it be sure you get it off before going to bed.  You

can get all of the above in very pure form, without perfumes and colorings, and

they are all CHEAP.  Pure aloe vera can be difficult to find, but it's out

there.  Oils you can buy by the quart.



Anyhow, when my skin *is* behaving I look younger than my years.  There's not a

quick fix for some skin problems, but you can almost always improve the

situation.







==========

Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 22 Mar 1998 21:10:20 GMT

--------

Hi



I was wondering just what your food allergies are?..I have them too..and if

i eat those foods my skin looks just terrible...



Have you completely given up these foods?...*just curious*





Stacey



> 

> I find that the single most effective thing I can do to improve my skin

is to

> EAT PROPERLY - lots of fruits, vegees, and grain, lots of water or other

> non-caffenated fluids.  Do I always do this?  Of course not, I'm a human

being,

> I occassionally indulge in poor eating habits and I usually pay for it

when I

> do.  I also have food allergies, which can also mess up my skin.







==========

Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker)

Date: 29 Mar 1998 12:15:00 GMT

--------

>From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

>I was wondering just what your food allergies are?..I have them too..and if

>i eat those foods my skin looks just terrible...



Corn, tomatoes, peas, lentils, oranges, and peanuts (at last reckoining)



>Have you completely given up these foods?...*just curious*



I certainly *try* to avoid them - but corn and tomatoes seem to be in just

about *everything*.  I used to love ramen noodles but now they all seem to

contain "corn protein".  Ingrediant changes are very annoying, occur without

warning, and drive me batty.



I've also been zapped by well-meaning sorts who do thing like "I made this cake

and I know you have food allergies so instead of milk I used orange juice". 

(True story)    Well meaning, I'm sure, but that sort of thing can make me

seriously ill.  I am NOT allergic to milk, I am allergic to ORANGES.  There's

this notion going around that if you've got food allergies you're allowed to be

allergic to some things (like fish or milk) but not to anything so *clearly*

healthy as OJ.



Of course, after something like that you can wind up looking like you were drug

face-down along a gravel road and then people treat you like a leper.  I mean,

when you're fifteen and have a pizza face you might get some slack but when

you're thirty folks stand up and move to the other side of the bus rather than

sit with you.  They say dumbshit stuff like "why don't you DO something about

that?"  like I might ENJOY being in physical and emotional pain.  Of course I

"do something" about it, but it takes a month to grow healthy skin to replace

what the latest outbreak has torn up.  Meanwhile, I have to go to work and get

on with my life.



9 times out of 10 the dimbulb who's cooking zapped you in the first place then

tries to gives you various miracle cures, which I'm usually ALSO allergic to.



The end result is that I don't go to dinner parties anymore.  My social life

has suffered for my "snottiness" and "finicky eating" but before it was

suffering from my being ill all the time.  Given a choice, I'd rather be

healthy.







==========

Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 29 Mar 1998 14:15:35 GMT

--------

Wow



And I thought I was bad off...my allergies are wheat and dairy food, I've

been on my diet for a year now, and I know what your saying concerning your

social life, I always have to refuse dinner invitations or ask endless

questions about what is in the food, and yea they're usually put off, but

hell if i eat that stuff Im going to get real sick and my skin is affected

for a while...needless to say ppl get sick of my food allergies..



I know also what you mean about being thirty with a "pizza face", I've had

a beauty therapist come up to me in front of friends and say "Why dont you

come and see me and I'll do something about those pores"...Other friends

telling me I should wash my face...Cmon do they really believe that I'm

dirty?? haha



I know how difficult it is, and I sympathize with you..

I really cant imagine what its like to be allergic to corn and tomatoes,

those are foods i just about live on..hehe



Takes me hours to do my shopping for food, scanning all the product

descriptions, now noone will come shopping with me, luckily by now I have a

fairly safe shopping list, but still need to check occasionally cuz they

can change their ingrediants..



And another thing is trying to find foods that are free of well known

allergins seem to be twice as expensive...so your out of pocket too



Anyway, I wish you well



And stay healthy!!



Stacey

Beesticker <beesticker@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998032912150001.HAA11345@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> >From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

> >I was wondering just what your food allergies are?..I have them too..and

if

> >i eat those foods my skin looks just terrible...

> 

> Corn, tomatoes, peas, lentils, oranges, and peanuts (at last reckoining)

> 

> >Have you completely given up these foods?...*just curious*

> 

> I certainly *try* to avoid them - but corn and tomatoes seem to be in

just

> about *everything*.  I used to love ramen noodles but now they all seem

to

> contain "corn protein".  Ingrediant changes are very annoying, occur

without

> warning, and drive me batty.

> 

> I've also been zapped by well-meaning sorts who do thing like "I made

this cake

> and I know you have food allergies so instead of milk I used orange

juice". 

> (True story)    Well meaning, I'm sure, but that sort of thing can make

me

> seriously ill.  I am NOT allergic to milk, I am allergic to ORANGES. 

There's

> this notion going around that if you've got food allergies you're allowed

to be

> allergic to some things (like fish or milk) but not to anything so

*clearly*

> healthy as OJ.

> 

> Of course, after something like that you can wind up looking like you

were drug

> face-down along a gravel road and then people treat you like a leper.  I

mean,

> when you're fifteen and have a pizza face you might get some slack but

when

> you're thirty folks stand up and move to the other side of the bus rather

than

> sit with you.  They say dumbshit stuff like "why don't you DO something

about

> that?"  like I might ENJOY being in physical and emotional pain.  Of

course I

> "do something" about it, but it takes a month to grow healthy skin to

replace

> what the latest outbreak has torn up.  Meanwhile, I have to go to work

and get

> on with my life.

> 

> 9 times out of 10 the dimbulb who's cooking zapped you in the first place

then

> tries to gives you various miracle cures, which I'm usually ALSO allergic

to.

> 

> The end result is that I don't go to dinner parties anymore.  My social

life

> has suffered for my "snottiness" and "finicky eating" but before it was

> suffering from my being ill all the time.  Given a choice, I'd rather be

> healthy.

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 13:38:11 GMT

--------

>From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

>And I thought I was bad off...my allergies are wheat and dairy food, I've

>been on my diet for a year now, and I know what your saying concerning your

>social life, I always have to refuse dinner invitations or ask endless

>questions about what is in the food, and yea they're usually put off, but

>hell if i eat that stuff Im going to get real sick and my skin is affected

>for a while...needless to say ppl get sick of my food allergies..



Of course they do - *I* get sick of them, too.  Potluck situations aren't too

bad - you can bring something you can eat, and then if there's other stuff

there you can eat, go for it, and if not, eat what you brought so you're

standing there starving in front of other people.  Or, instead of going over to

someone's house for dinner, I'll suggest we all eat out - most restaurants have

something I can eat, so I can choose what I can eat off the menu, and the other

folks can eat what they want.  Of course, you still have to be careful in

restaurants, and ask lots of questions, but I've got a number of restaurants

around town where I'm a regular and they're used to my questions.



[snip]

>And another thing is trying to find foods that are free of well known

>allergins seem to be twice as expensive...so your out of pocket too



I do a lot of cooking from scratch - as a bonus, it's probably healthy than all

that prepared stuff in the freezer section, so I wind up ahead of the game

anyhow.





==========

Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: "Ken R Hall" <KENHALL@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:46:22 -0500

--------

While it is true I sell these vitamins, herbs and supplements, I offer the

following suggestions and you can buy them whereever you wish.



    1) Red Clover used EXTERNALLY

    2) Chamomile & Mint Herbal Astringent



IF you would like one of my catalogs, email me with your postal mailing

address and I will be happy to send you one, but you don't have to worry

about sales pitches, I am not good at them anyway!



Ken



Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net> wrote in

message <6ee2bv$29nq$1@node17.frontiernet.net>...

>What are the best vitamins/minerals/herbs for skin improvement?  I just

>quit smoking, and am interested in trying to "revitalize" my skin

>through use of supplements.  I am currently using Retin-A topicaLly. Any

>information would be appreciated.  PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND IF YOU ARE

>TRYING TO SELL  ME SOMETHING!

>

>Thanks.

>

>Cindi









==========

Subject: Re: HEALTHY SKIN

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:00:58 -0600

--------

Here are some recipes for you. Just remember proper diet/nutrition is a key to healthy skin!

Bath Salts:

Mix together 1/2 cup of salt, 1/2 cup of Epsom salts, and 1/2 cup of baking soda. Mix well, adding food coloring and scented oil if desired. Keep tightly closed. Add to bath water by tablespoons to desired strength. Very soothing, relaxing and good for your skin.



Scented bath powder:

Mix 1 ounce of orris root, 1/2 tablespoon powdered cloves, and 1 ounce of powdered sage. Add 2 ounces of corn starch and mix well. To make different scents, simply add the herb of your choice. Use powdered herbs if possible, otherwise grind as fine as you can. Keep tightly closed to retain scent.



Lavender bath mixture:

Crush and mix 1 ounce of dried lavender flowers, 1 ounce of dried basil, 2 teaspoons of cinnamon. Add to 1 pint of witch hazel. Steep for 2 weeks and strain. Add 1/4 cup to bath water or use as an after-bath splash.



Apple bath addition:

Pour 1-1/2 pints of boiling water over 1/4 cup of dried apple slices, 1/2 teaspoon cinnamon, and 1/2 teaspoon of whole cloves. Steep for 30 minutes. Use in bath water for a refreshing bath.



Herbal love bath:

This is to pamper yourself when you're down. Mix 7 cups of lavender, 6 cups of rosemary, 5 cups of rose petals, 4 cups of lovage, 3 cups verbana leaves, 1 cup each of thyme, marjoram, mint, and orris powder. Put in a container and keep tightly closed. To use, put 1/4 cup of the mixture in a muslin bag and tie securely. Boil the bath ball in 1 quart of water for 10 minutes. Add to bath water and scrub with the ball.



Scented bath for men:

Mix equal parts of lavender and pine needles. Boil and steep for 15 minutes. Strain and add to bath water. Lavender, verbena, nutmeg, geranium, lemon balm, and thyme are all good to add for a manly scent. If desired, you may add 1 tablespoon (or more) of the herb mixture to enhance the scent.



I also have recipes for making your own herbal soaps if you want them, too.



Hope that helps you out.

Kay





-- 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Cindi and Jeff Smith <"smitty@frontiernet.net"@frontiernet.net> wrote in message <6ee2bv$29nq$1@node17.frontiernet.net>...

>What are the best vitamins/minerals/herbs for skin improvement?  I just

>quit smoking, and am interested in trying to "revitalize" my skin

>through use of supplements.  I am currently using Retin-A topicaLly. Any

>information would be appreciated.  PLEASE DO NOT RESPOND IF YOU ARE

>TRYING TO SELL  ME SOMETHING!

>

>Thanks.

>

>Cindi







==========

Subject: Improve Circulation??? Peppermint Tea Remark....

From: Kudzu@worldnet.att.net (Kudzu)

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:06:07 GMT

--------

Hi,



I am looking for a tea that will improve

the circulation in my vascular system.

Anybody got some ideas?  I am also

just now beginning to gradually increase

my exercise (now that the warmer weather

is returning).



Also, lately I have taken to fixing a large

cup of peppermint tea before I eat dinner

in the evenings and I *swear* that it 

calms me down from the hassles of the

day, let's me eat comfortably (I've been

having trouble with that) and then when

I get in bed, I doze away in no time.  For me,

I can only drink peppermint tea in the late

afternoons or evenings as it would make 

me feel sleepy at work.



Have a good one,



K.







==========

Subject: Re: Improve Circulation??? Peppermint Tea Remark....

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 14 Mar 1998 20:13:55 GMT

--------



Kudzu wrote in message <6edv1o$f73@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>Hi,

>

>I am looking for a tea that will improve

>the circulation in my vascular system.

>Anybody got some ideas?  I am also

>just now beginning to gradually increase

>my exercise (now that the warmer weather

>is returning).

>

>Also, lately I have taken to fixing a large

>cup of peppermint tea before I eat dinner

>in the evenings and I *swear* that it

>calms me down from the hassles of the

>day, let's me eat comfortably (I've been

>having trouble with that) and then when

>I get in bed, I doze away in no time.  For me,

>I can only drink peppermint tea in the late

>afternoons or evenings as it would make

>me feel sleepy at work.

>

>Have a good one,

>

>K.

>

Hi Kudzu,



Not an herb, but Coenzyme Q10 is known to help circulation.   It is

expensive and you need to take pretty large amounts to get the real effects.

Ask around on

sci.med.nutrition  newsgroup, and they will give you the info.



Evelyn









==========

Subject: Reply to ALGAVORE

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 17:22:35 GMT

--------

In article <6e6tgl$1m3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <ALGAVORE@aol.com> wrote:

>

>I am not trolling for new distributors with these posts - my concern is

>rather to say that there is room for well intentioned disagreement as to

>whether or not including an "Unproven Food" now in one's diet is appropriate.

 

Well intentioned?  Up to the present, all of the pro-algae

algae postings have been from SBGA distributors (with a very

few exceptions like Eric Alan Braun and Ralph Castro).  When

money is on the table, please understand that the intentions

immediately become suspect.

 

Your statement suggests that both sides have equal validity,

that it is sort of an opinion whether or not people should be

taking the algae.  At least with regard to the scientific issues,

that is not so.  Disregarding the anatoxin-a and vitamin B-12

analog issues for the moment, we can at least both agree that

Cell Tech admits microcystins are in the algae, can we not?

 

And we can agree that the levels reported for the 1996 harvest

ranged between 0.4 and 1.7 micrograms of microcystins per gram

dry weight of algae, with an average a bit more than 1 microgram,

can we not?

 

And we can agree that Cell Tech has pledged to adhere to a limit

of no more than 1 microgram in future products, can we not?

Although you haven't seen it, I have a copy of memo from Wayne

Carmichael (one of Cell Tech's hired consultants) in which he

urges that hot batches be blended with cool batches to reduce

the levels of microcystins.  If Cell Tech is following that advice,

the 1 microgram limit seems within the reach of Cell Tech's

resources and technology.  While I am not questioning whether

they are adhering to that limit or not, it seems likely that

they would have to come very close to that limit in all of

their production to compensate for the hot batches.

 

Is 1 microgram of microcystins per day safe?  With regard

to liver cancer caused by chronic, low-dose exposure to

microcystins, the scientific literature recommends no more

than 0.75 micrograms per day.  At the 1 microgram level,

that's only three capsules per day.

 

But does it make any sense to expose yourself to microcystins

at all?  You don't have to, and they are powerful cancer tumor

promoters.  As has been pointed out to me, to my chagrin,

microcystins are also direct carcinogens.  Among other effects,

they cause DNA damage and DNA unwinding.  (See "The cyanobacterial

toxin microcystin-LR induced DNA damage in mouse liver in vivo",

_Toxicology_, volume 114, pages 29-31, 1996).

 

Is just a little bit of cancer tumor promotion okay?  Is just

a little bit of cancer initiation okay?  Is just a little bit

of DNA damage okay?  Well, it's not just a little bit.  One

capsule (at the 1 microgram level) puts you one-third of the

way toward the limit recommended in the scientific literature

to avoid liver cancer due to long-term, low-dose exposure.

Three capsules puts you at the limit, and four pushes you over

the top.  How many capsules do you take daily, ALGAVORE?

 

It's sort of like radiation.  We know that certain levels will

kill you or cause unacceptable cancer risks.  But what about

lower levels?  Doctors use X-rays to look inside the human body,

but a risk/benefit ratio is applied.  The risk of being harmed

by the X-rays is balanced against the benefit of discovering

a disease condition that also may kill you.  If a doctor wanted

to X-ray my body to locate a bullet or something, I'd be all

in favor of that.  But the last time I visited a dentist, I

allowed him to X-ray the tooth where I knew I had a cavity,

but I did not allow him to do a general exploratory X-ray of

my entire set of teeth.  I didn't see the justification in

exposing myself to additional radiation just so he could explore

for new business and add another line item to the bill.

 

>Parenthetically, here is some preliminary mention of emerging scientific

>pro-algae material:  http://www.celltech.com/frames/dletter/index.html

 

Yeah, right, "emerging".  I wish Cell Tech's web site was set up

so I could read that file with the text-only newsreader I use,

but I assume you're referring to the Letter From Daryl (a former guest

of the federal penal system) about Natural Killer cells.  According

to this document, a study showed that within two hours of eating

1.5 grams (about six capsules, if capsules were used) of the algae,

40% of the Natural Killer cells in the blood migrated into the

tissues.  After a few hours, they returned to the bloodstream.

This is touted as a good effect, because Natural Killer cells are

an important part of the immune system for dealing with cancerous cells

and virus-infected cells.

 

But why were these cells chased out of the bloodstream by the algae?

And how do we know this is a good thing?  No clinical benefit is

claimed for human health, just this weird effect of the cells rushing

out of the bloodstream.  That isn't necessarily a good effect.  If

the human body needed more of these cells in the tissues rather than

the blood, why don't they go there naturally?  Does the human body

really need a signal that says "Hey, go there and fight viruses and

cancer"?

 

This argument reminds me of some quack AIDS therapies that raise

levels of T-cells.  Sure, depressed levels of T-cells cause the

immune system problems that afflict people with AIDS, but not

everything that raises T-cell counts is good.  An allergic reaction

can raise T-cell counts.  A case of the flu can raise T-cell counts.

They are a variety of T-cell types (if we include "memory" T-cells,

probably an infinite variety), so just raising the T-cell population

as a whole isn't necessarily beneficial.

 

To cite this one study of the weird behavior of Natural Killer cells

as evidence for the algae is at best, premature.  Especially in the

face of solid information on microcystins that we know (and Cell Tech

admits) are present in the algae.

 







==========

Subject: Re: Reply to ALGAVORE

From: ALGAVORE@aol.com

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:35:20 -0600

--------

Dear Mark,



I am an addmittedly biased observer - not because of my financial interest as

a distributor (as far as I can honestly discern) but because of the

undeniable and at times miraculous benefits I have observed since 1989.



None the less, I respect your scientific integrity and inquiry and feel it

has prompted and continues to prompt Cell Tech to address the honest

questions you raise - though not as promptly and completely as would be my

preference.



Further, I feel it would be of great interest and value if Cell Tech would

respond directly on USENET to the issues you have raised.



I will continue to encourage them to do so; in the interem I will forward

your remarks to them.  (Unfortunately their last response was to me directly

by FAX which I had to transcribe with the unfortunate effect that you were

several times called "Mr. Thomson!")



Best regards,



Patrick Babcock



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Subject: Pennherb

From: Max & Rita Richards <maxr@pics.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:45:17 -0600

--------

Pennherb is a wonderful place for herbs.

Rita

-- 

Rita Richards

Kelsei's Creations

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kelseiscreations/index.html





==========

To: maxr@pics.net

Subject: Re: Pennherb

From: Andrew Gartner <webmaster@pennherb.com>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:34:40 -0500

--------

Max & Rita Richards wrote:

> 

> Pennherb is a wonderful place for herbs.

> Rita

> --

> Rita Richards

> Kelsei's Creations

> http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kelseiscreations/index.html

Thank you for the wonderful comment:)  In behalf of Penn Herb and the

Betz family, we thank you!!!

                             Andrew Gartner(webmaster@pennherb.com





==========

Subject: Herb supplier

From: Max & Rita Richards <maxr@pics.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 11:49:29 -0600

--------

Pam,

Frontier is a good supplier of herbs.  Do you have their web address? 

If not I would be happy to send it to you.

Rita in TEXAS

-- 

Rita Richards

Kelsei's Creations

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kelseiscreations/index.html





==========

To: maxr@pics.net

Subject: Re: Herb supplier

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:08:50 -0700

--------

Hi Rita,

Yes, I have their number, as they are my current supplier. ;)

I'm getting frustrated with their constantly dropping inventory items.

And I believe I might be able to do better on price with another

supplier.

Thanks.

Pam



Max & Rita Richards wrote:



> Pam,

> Frontier is a good supplier of herbs.  Do you have their web address?

> If not I would be happy to send it to you.

> Rita in TEXAS

> --

> Rita Richards

> Kelsei's Creations

> http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kelseiscreations/index.html







--

Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

Soap Making Instructions

http://soapcrafters.com









==========

Subject: Looking for St John's Worth

From: Max & Rita Richards <maxr@pics.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:48:30 -0600

--------

Where is a good supplier of this hetrb in bulk?

Rita in TEXAS

-- 

Rita Richards

Kelsei's Creations

http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kelseiscreations/index.html





==========

Subject: Re: Looking for St John's Worth

From: djudge6453@aol.com (DJudge6453)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 23:53:52 GMT

--------

>Looking for St John's Worth



What is it worth to you?  Actually, it's called St. John's Wort and there are

many types that work just fine...ask at your local healthy food store and any

knowledgeable employee will be able to help you.  If bulk is what you are

looking for rather than quality, I am not sure that stores can help.  Perhaps

calling the names on the labels or doing a www search might help.   Good luck! 



Debra





==========

To: DJudge6453 <djudge6453@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Looking for St John's Worth

From: Scott Dunbar <appanat@nbnet.nb.ca>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 15:20:02 -0400

--------

I  have a small supply left over from last summer's crop [less than 50 lbs]

Apologies for going commercial in this newsgroup.

    Prices available to individuals.

  Wildcrafted from the Appalachian region of New Brunswick,  Canada.



     ttfn  ian





DJudge6453 wrote:



> >Looking for St John's Worth

>

> What is it worth to you?  Actually, it's called St. John's Wort and there are

> many types that work just fine...ask at your local healthy food store and any

> knowledgeable employee will be able to help you.  If bulk is what you are

> looking for rather than quality, I am not sure that stores can help.  Perhaps

> calling the names on the labels or doing a www search might help.   Good luck!

>

> Debra











==========

Subject: Re: Looking for St John's Worth

From: Deb Skinner <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:34:13 GMT

--------

Just curious here, I'm not looking to buy...



What do you do with 50 lbs of last year's crop?



My experience has been that the fresh herb works wonderfully [as I graze while

picking], and fresh tincture will hold its effectiveness for going on 2 years now

[the same for fresh made infused oils].



I have never had any reaction [other than nausea] when using the dried herb.  Did I

dry it wrong?



Deb



Scott Dunbar wrote:



> I  have a small supply left over from last summer's crop [less than 50 lbs]

> Apologies for going commercial in this newsgroup.

>     Prices available to individuals.

>   Wildcrafted from the Appalachian region of New Brunswick,  Canada.

>

>      ttfn  ian

>

> DJudge6453 wrote:

>

> > >Looking for St John's Worth

> >

> > What is it worth to you?  Actually, it's called St. John's Wort and there are

> > many types that work just fine...ask at your local healthy food store and any

> > knowledgeable employee will be able to help you.  If bulk is what you are

> > looking for rather than quality, I am not sure that stores can help.  Perhaps

> > calling the names on the labels or doing a www search might help.   Good luck!

> >

> > Debra







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Subject: Re: Looking for St John's Worth

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 15 Mar 1998 08:14:00 -0700

--------

Max & Rita Richards <maxr@pics.net> wrote:



>Where is a good supplier of this hetrb in bulk?

>Rita in TEXAS



Look in your yellow pages for suppliers.  Usually found under

"Health Food" and in some areas "Herbs" have a whole section for

themselves.  Then call those that advertise "bulk".  They are

usually the smaller shops.

Or, check Yahoo for herbs ... there are too many suppliers to

even start to list here.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Looking for St John's Worth

From: Deb Skinner <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:41:31 GMT

--------





J Martin wrote:



> Max & Rita Richards wrote:

> >

> > Where is a good supplier of this hetrb in bulk?

> > Rita in TEXAS

> > --

> > Rita Richards

> > Kelsei's Creations

> > http://www.angelfire.com/tx/kelseiscreations/index.html

>

> If you're interested, I have large, healthy bare-root St. Johnswort

> starts.  i'm asking $1 apiece for the starts, plus $3 shipping for 1-20

> plants.  Add an extra dollar for shipping for every 10 extra plants over

> 20 (example: send $4 shipping for 30 plants + $30 for the plants.)

>

> Email jmartin@echoweb.net if interested.



 If jmartin runs out of starts, I could probably be persuaded to go & dig

some small plants for the same price.  Of course, you would have to check

with the post office or UPS to verify that they would ship this into your

state.  Some states are considering Hypericum perforatum [commonally called

St. John's Wort] a noxious weed.



Deb



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Subject: Yohimbe

From: ldema75386@aol.com (LDema75386)

Date: 14 Mar 1998 18:48:35 GMT

--------

anyone have info about this???....Have taken it....did notice difference in

performance.etc.  Would like to share info and more insight to this herb....





e-mail....LDema75386@aol.com





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Subject: Re: Yohimbe

From: David Spero <mrrogers@igc.apc.org>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:40:52 -0800 (PST)

--------

Re: Yohimbe

Sometimes it seems all the guys over 50 are using yohimbe.  It's very

touching; I have seen 75 y.o. guys with metastatic cancer, skin and

bones, taking yohimbe.  I do think it helps some, when there isn't

too much vascular or nerve damage.  Perhaps the psychological boost

placebo effect is a big part of it.



Personally, I believe rest, relaxation, and getting the right conditions

for sex are more important than herbal treatments for erection-related

problems.  At least, they have been for me and the few clients I have 

talked to about it.



David Spero, R.N.





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Subject: Re: Yohimbe

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 18 Mar 1998 23:12:23 GMT

--------



David Spero wrote in message ...

>Re: Yohimbe

>Sometimes it seems all the guys over 50 are using yohimbe.  It's very

>touching; I have seen 75 y.o. guys with metastatic cancer, skin and

>bones, taking yohimbe.  I do think it helps some, when there isn't

>too much vascular or nerve damage.  Perhaps the psychological boost

>placebo effect is a big part of it.

>

>Personally, I believe rest, relaxation, and getting the right conditions

>for sex are more important than herbal treatments for erection-related

>problems.  At least, they have been for me and the few clients I have

>talked to about it.

>

>David Spero, R.N.





David, I think the problem is more psychological than anything else.   Men

tend to mix up their virility with their manliness.   Women know they are

women whether they have any sexual interest or not.   I don't feel any less

feminine when I am not particularly interested in sex, I just do something

else with my time!   But for men, they feel useless and "old" if unable to

perform.    I think you are right about the rest, relaxation and right

conditions being the best remedy of all.



Evelyn









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Subject: Re: Yohimbe

From: cpu9000@aol.com (CPU9000)

Date: 19 Mar 1998 01:58:30 GMT

--------



Terrific, a woman, and a guy whos never had the problem, are handing out

advice. Over 80% of the time, its a medical problem.  Yohimbine Hydorcloride (

The active ingredient in Yohimbe ) increase the blood flow to the genitalia and

help make the nerve endings more sensitive.  The prescription drug is much more

effictive than what you can by at the health food store. If you have a problem,

 see a doctor.





THE CAUSES OF IMPOTENCY



      Damage to the blood vessels is frequently the cause of impotency. About

80% of men

      who are suffering the symptom of impotency have problems with blood flow

to the

      penile arteries and/or problems with the erectile chambers. This can be

due to

      blockages, leakage from the penile veins or problems with the relaxation

of the muscles

      within the penis. 



      Men who are in this category are the same as those at risk for heart

disease; men who

      smoke, eat a diet high in fat or cholesterol, or those who have high

blood pressure. In

      many instances, these issues should be addressed through diet, exercise

and overcoming

      bad habits, rather than with medications. 



      Many men have impotence caused by diabetes. As many as three out of four

diabetic

      patients will become impotent. This is a serious medical issue. For

answers, please talk

      to a urologist that has special training in impotency issues. 



 

><HTML><PRE><BODY BGCOLOR="#ffffff">Subject: Re: Yohimbe

>From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

>Date: Wed, Mar 18, 1998 18:12 EST

>Message-id: <6epkcn$23c0$1@node17.frontiernet.net>

>

>

>David Spero wrote in message ...

>>Re: Yohimbe

>>Sometimes it seems all the guys over 50 are using yohimbe.  It's very

>>touching; I have seen 75 y.o. guys with metastatic cancer, skin and

>>bones, taking yohimbe.  I do think it helps some, when there isn't

>>too much vascular or nerve damage.  Perhaps the psychological boost

>>placebo effect is a big part of it.

>>

>>Personally, I believe rest, relaxation, and getting the right conditions

>>for sex are more important than herbal treatments for erection-related

>>problems.  At least, they have been for me and the few clients I have

>>talked to about it.

>>

>>David Spero, R.N.

>

>

>David, I think the problem is more psychological than anything else.   Men

>tend to mix up their virility with their manliness.   Women know they are

>women whether they have any sexual interest or not.   I don't feel any less

>feminine when I am not particularly interested in sex, I just do something

>else with my time!   But for men, they feel useless and "old" if unable to

>perform.    I think you are right about the rest, relaxation and right

>conditions being the best remedy of all.

>

>Evelyn

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Yohimbe

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:23:22 -0600

--------

Here is some basic information on Yohimbe.



YOHIMBE

LATIN: Pausinystalia johimbe

AKA: 

   

BODILY ACTIONS: aphrodisiac, blood pressure (lowers), blood vessel (dilation), body builder, hormone stimulant, sexual performance

PARTS USED: bark

NOTES: This should be avoided in lieu of high blood pressure or heart arrhythmia





-- Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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Subject: extracts

From: Ggrrr@pop3.concentric.net

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 15:27:49 -0600

--------

I was wondering if herbal extracts are effective for consumtion only or

do they have any effect when applied to the skin?  Something simple for

example like applying extract of Gentian as an astringent in a massage

oil.  Any ideas or knowledge?

                                                            Mare







==========

Subject: Re: extracts

From: Deb Skinner <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:51:05 GMT

--------





Ggrrr@pop3.concentric.net wrote:



> I was wondering if herbal extracts are effective for consumtion only or

> do they have any effect when applied to the skin?  Something simple for

> example like applying extract of Gentian as an astringent in a massage

> oil.  Any ideas or knowledge?

>                                                             Mare



 Most herbal extracts will have an effect if used on the skin. For example,

I often use a Calendula extract to clean out a cut before bandaging.



I recommend 'The Complete Medicinal Herbal' by Penelope Ody  ISBN

1-56458-187-x  and see the FAQ for this newsgroup for more information and

a longer booklist.  [Thanks, Hennriette]  ;>



Deb

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Subject: Hepatitis C - any herbs to help?

From: Lesley <lesley@cpres.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 23:24:17 +0000

--------



Would be pleased to have recommendations for herbal treatments to help

with a friend's diagnosis of Hepatitis C ?  



(The Doctors suggestion is Iterferon).



Thanks in advance for any suggestions tried.



-- 

Lesley





==========

Subject: Re: Hepatitis C - any herbs to help?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 15 Mar 1998 08:23:01 -0700

--------

Lesley <lesley@cpres.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>Would be pleased to have recommendations for herbal treatments to help

>with a friend's diagnosis of Hepatitis C ?  

>(The Doctors suggestion is Iterferon).

  Interferon will, as its name suggest, interfere with the virus

multiplication.  It's very good in the early stages to minimize

the amount of liver tissue that gets killed by the virus.

  The liver has the job of manufacturing, dis-assembling, or

detoxifying and excreting thousands of chemicals. In all honesty,

adding more chemicals, even herbal ones, to your body while the

liver is being attacked by a virus seems counterproductive.

  Diet suggestion: no alcohol, minimal fats and proteins (the

liver has to work harder on these than carbohydrates), and small

frequent meals. Plenty of WATER, but no sodas, coffee or other

non-H2O drinks except fruit juices.  A vitamin/mineral

supplement.  And lots of rest.  The liver has an astounding

capacity to not only heal, but regenerate, so leave it alone and

let it do its thing.



  

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Hepatitis C - any herbs to help?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 21 Mar 1998 19:45:04 GMT

--------

In article <ENSedHAhGxC1Ews5@cpres.demon.co.uk>, Lesley

<lesley@cpres.demon.co.uk> writes:



>Would be pleased to have recommendations for herbal treatments to help

>with a friend's diagnosis of Hepatitis C ?  



The Hepatitis C Handbook by Mathew Dolan, available through Central Books in

London, will help answer a lot of questions.



A web site that may be of use is:

http://www.scn.org/health/hepatitis

which is sponsored by the Hepatitis Education Project based in Seattle. For

those in the states, I strongly recommend their newsletter for the latest

information (we post it at our store and it's really great!). E-mail address:

hep@scn.org.



If you have problems with this site, e-mail me. I just grabbed a Nov.

newsletter to give out this information, but I've got a March issue

somewhere...



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Re: HERBALIFE now in Turkey: be the owner of your life

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 15 Mar 1998 08:15:01 -0700

--------

mark.us@usa.net (micromedia) wrote:



>NOW OPENING IN TURKEY FOR THE FIRST TIME SINCE EVER:

>Herbalife world greatest Nutrition Marketing Company needs smart individuals to 

>be independent distributors.



And be sure you know the Turkish laws about business and fraud.

I hear their jails are not fun.

Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Eyebright

From: "D. Fritz" <dfritz@paonline.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:25:05 -0500

--------

I purchased some eyebright powder, how can I use it?



Thanks for any help!









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Subject: Re: Eyebright

From: barkeep@brightok.net (barkeep)

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:50:40 GMT

--------

On Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:25:05 -0500, "D. Fritz" <dfritz@paonline.com>

wrote:



>I purchased some eyebright powder, how can I use it?

>

>Thanks for any help!





Why did you buy it?



Galen





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Subject: Re: Eyebright

From: shannon@yoga.com (Shannon Brophy)

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:24:29 GMT

--------

On Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:25:05 -0500, "D. Fritz" <dfritz@paonline.com>

wrote:



>I purchased some eyebright powder, how can I use it?

>

>Thanks for any help!

>

Make a tea out of it and strain. Allow to cool a bit. Get an eye cup

at the drugstore or use a shotglass to apply to eye. You can also put

a few drops in the eye.Refrigerate the unused portion. Do not reuse

solution on the other eye or later on the same eye. This will clear up

conjunctivitis (even in babies) and itchy eyes like during hay fever.

Red eyes will clear up as well. If you use this make sure you have

only eyebright herb not any other herbs with eyebright. You can also

put a drop or two of eybright tincture in plain or sterile water for

the same purpose. For kids and babies, always test on yourself first.

Shannon B.

Midwife



_____________________________________________________________________

 For information on Yoga, Massage and Bodywork, and Natural Healing  

               or to browse Holistic Products to order

      visit the Roots & Wings Website at http://www.yoga.com





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Subject: Re: Eyebright

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 17:30:35 -0500

--------

Can you tell me how many days the unused portion of the tea made from 

eyebright will last in the refridgerator.





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Subject: Herb Properties

From: "Jeff &or Kathy Brown" <JJEFFBROWN@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:15:48 -0800

--------

I need medicinal and toxicity information on some herbs that are not in my

books.



Pueraria root, peony root, platycodon root, magnolia flower, coix seed,

asarum leaf, perilla leaf, and angelica root



These are some of the listed ingredients for a new remedy for several ear

and sinus symptoms.  Thanks.









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Subject: Re: Herb Properties

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:11:03 -0500

--------

Try this herb website.  You can also do a search.



http://www.sequentialhealing.com/herbs-scientific-name.html



Fidget





Jeff &or Kathy Brown wrote:

> 

> I need medicinal and toxicity information on some herbs that are not in my

> books.

> 

> Pueraria root, peony root, platycodon root, magnolia flower, coix seed,

> asarum leaf, perilla leaf, and angelica root

> 

> These are some of the listed ingredients for a new remedy for several ear

> and sinus symptoms.  Thanks.





==========

Subject: Re: Herb Properties

From: hhealth@global.co.za.X

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 20:24:58 GMT

--------

"Jeff &or Kathy Brown" <JJEFFBROWN@prodigy.net> wrote:



>I need medicinal and toxicity information on some herbs that are not in my

>books.

>

>Pueraria root, peony root, platycodon root, magnolia flower, coix seed,

>asarum leaf, perilla leaf, and angelica root

>

>These are some of the listed ingredients for a new remedy for several ear

>and sinus symptoms.  Thanks.

>

>

The following are extracts from the Hyperhealth Natural Health

Encyclopedia:



PUERARIA

--------

Description



Type of Herb.



Botanical Name:	Pueraria lobata





Health Benefits of Kudzu



Detoxification



Kudzu helps to diminish the craving for Alcohol (ethanol):



-	Substances in Kudzu inhibit the Alcohol Dehydrogenase enzyme

that catalyzes the conversion of Alcohol to Acetaldehyde resulting in

a lowered tolerance to Alcohol and a reduction in the pleasure derived

from drinking it.



Kudzu Contains these Substances



Polyphenols:		Isoflavonoids:		Daidzein	

Genistein	

Commercial Availability of Kudzu



Oral Kudzu preparations are available from health food and nutrition

outlets in the form of dried Kudzu herb and capsules/tablets in

potencies ranging from 150 mg to 550 mg per capsule/tablet.

	Some Kudzu preparations are standardized to contain up to 40%

of their principal active ingredients, Isoflavonoids.



Copyright 1996 In-Tele-Health



ANGELICA

--------

Description



Biennial or perennial Herb that grows preferably in cold or moist

places.



Botanical Names:	Angelica archangelico	(Common Angelica)



Angelica atropurpurea 	(native to the USA)



Both species of Angelica belong to the Parsley (Umbelliferae) family.



Related Herb:	Angelica polymorpha 	(Dong Quai)



Parts Used:	Roots, leaves and seeds



Health Benefits of Angelica



Excretory System



Angelica induces Perspiration (ie. it functions as a diaphoretic)

[folklore].



Musculoskeletal System



Angelica facilitates the elimination of excessive Mucous from the body

(ie. it functions as an expectorant).



Sexual System - Female



Angelica improves the menstrual flow in females afflicted with

Dysmenorrhoea [folklore].



Angelica Contains these Substances



Furocoumarins:	Angelicin		Bergapten	

		Imperatorin		Xanthotoxin	

Organic Acids:	Angelica Acid			

Polyphenols:	Chlorogenic Acid	Tannins	

Volatile Oils:	Phellandrene		Pinene	

Cautions



Some herbalists recommend that Angelica supplementation be avoided

Angelica due to its Furocoumarin (Psoralen) content.



Commercial Usage of Angelica



Food Additive



Angelica root and seeds are used as flavourings in various Alcoholic

Beverages (including Benedictine, Chartreuse and Gin)



Dosage Recommendations



Those herbalists who are in favour of Angelica use generally recommend

3 - 6 grams of dried Angelica root or seed per day for therapeutic

purposes.



Commercial Availability of Angelica



Oral Angelica supplements are available from most health food and

nutrition outlets in the form of dried Angelica root;  liquid extract

and tincture.



See Also: Dong Quai



Copyright 1996 In-Tele-Health



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Subject: Re: Herb Properties

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:32:41 -0600

--------

 

 Jeff &or Kathy Brown wrote in message <6eh97r$pm8$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...

>I need medicinal and toxicity information on some herbs that are not in my

>books.

>

>Pueraria root,



Peuraria lobata (GE GEN-Chinese), Kudzu



It's native to China and the part used is the root. Ge gen contains isoflavonoids, puerarin, daidzein, and plant sterols. Daidzein is estrogenic.

History and Folklore: Chinese herbalists have considered it a remedy for muscular pain and a treatment for measles. Muscle aches and pains, especially when they are linked with fever or are affecting the neck and upper back. Root may be taken to treat headache, dizziness, or numbness caused by high blood pressure. Also treats diarrhea and dysentery.





> peony root, 



Native to southern Europe and the Mediterranean region.

Peony is thought to contain paeonine, a volatile oil, tannin, and resin. The root is the part used.

History and Folklore; Medicinal Action and Uses: Since the time of Hippocrates, it has been used for treating epilepsy. Dioscorides wrote that it provokes menstruation and may be used to expel the placenta after childbirth. It is thought to be antispasmodic and sedative. The root may be employed to treat whooping cough and nervous irritation.





>platycodon root, 



This is also a Chinese herb. I have it mentioned in a Chinese Herbal book, but no information except that it is not commonly used as it is not under the commonly used herbs and their properties. I suggest asking someone who practices Traditional Chinese Medicine about this. The Chinese name for it is Jie Geng. Common name is Balloon flower.





>magnolia flower, 



Native to China. Contains a volatile oil and magnocurarine.

History and Folklore; Medicinal Actions and Uses: Long history of use in China. Is aromatic, warming, and pungent. Relieves cramping pain and flatulence, and is taken for abdominal distention, indigestion, loss of appetite, vomiting and diarrhea. Is mildly antimicrobial and possibly effective against amebic dysentery.



>coix seed,



I don't know this one either. Again, it is listed in the Chinese book. The Chinese name is Yi Yi Ren. No common name listed.





>asarum leaf,



Chinese name Xi Xin. Common name Wild Ginger.

GINGER

LATIN: Zingiber officinale

AKA: African Ginger

   

BODILY ACTIONS: analgesic, antacid, anti-emetic, aperitive, aromatic, bowels, bronchitis, carminative, chicken fox, childhood diseases, circulation, colitis, colon spasms, constipation, coughs, cramps, diaphoretic, diarrhea, digestion, diuretic, dizziness, emmenagogue, fatigue, fevers, flu, gas, gout, headache, hemorrhage, indigestion, inflammation, influenza, kidneys, learning problems, menstrual cramps, morning sickness, motion sickness (prevent), mumps, nausea, nervine, paralysis, pelvic circulation, pneumonia, rubefacient, shock, sialagogue, sinus congestion, sinusitis, sore throat, spasms, stimulant, stomach, stomachic, tongue paralysis, tonic, toothache, vagina, vomiting, whooping cough

PARTS USED: root

NOTES: It's beneficial for pregnant women and those suffering from morning sickness







> perilla leaf, 



Common name: Perilla leaf Chinese name: Zi Su Ye



>and angelica root



ANGELICA

LATIN: A. atropurpurea

AKA: Bai Zhi, Dang Gui, Du Huo, Masterwort, Wild Archangel

   

BODILY ACTIONS: appetite stimulant, anorexia nervosa, antispasmodic, aromatic, arthritis, asthma, backaches, bitter, blood pressure (lowers), bronchitis, Buerger's disease, carminative, circulation, colds, colic, coughs, cystitis, diaphoretic, digestive problems, digestive stimulant, diuretic, ears (drops for deafness), emmenagogue, epilepsy, exhaustion, expectorant, fever (intermittent), flu, gas, gout, headaches, healing wounds, heart (strengthens), heartburn, hemorrhoids, hypertension, inflammation, influenza, intestinal problems, invigorating, liver, lungs, menstruation (promotes), mental well being, pectoral, pleurisy, prostate problems, rheumatism, spleen, stimulant, stomachic, strengthening, tonic, toothaches, ulcers, urination (increases), vitality, vomiting, wound cleanser

PARTS USED: leaves, roots, seeds, and stems

NOTES:This herb should not to be taken in large amounts during pregnancy; it can cause uterine contractions. Refrain from use with excessive bleeding or hemophilia. Combines with coltsfoot and white horehound for brochitis; chamomile for loss of appetite, indigestion, and flatulence.





Seems to be Chinese herbs. I got you some information. Either find a Traditional Chinese Medicine Practitioner or try a search on the web with the common names. From my information, they aren't "commonly used". Hope this helped you out a little. I am not a TCM Practitioner, so I really don't know if they are used for ear and sinus symptoms.



Kay







--  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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Subject: new Ayurveda encyclopedia

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@pb.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 12:12:46 -0800

--------

I just found a wonderful book called the The Ayurveda Encyclopedia which

just came out. It is a huge book- 686 pages (8-1/2 x 11"). You can read

Chapter 1, excerpts of other chapters, table of contents, review photos

and illustrations on line at their website

http://ayurvedahc.com/encytoc1.htm





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Subject: Black Pepper Essential Oil

From: aj982@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kerry Eady)

Date: 15 Mar 1998 21:14:58 GMT

--------



Noticed this in my health food store the other day, but it was busy so I

didn't have a chance to ask about it, but what is black pepper essential

oil good for?  Contraindications?  Precautions?



Smells amazing (to me), and I'd happily add it to my own perfume mixture,

but I want to know more about it first.



Thanks!



Kerr







==========

Subject: Re: Black Pepper Essential Oil

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukrotweiler>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:17:53 +0000

--------

In article <6ehgci$5nd@freenet-news.carleton.ca>, Kerry Eady

<aj982@FreeNet.Carleton.CA> writes

>

>Noticed this in my health food store the other day, but it was busy so I

>didn't have a chance to ask about it, but what is black pepper essential

>oil good for?  Contraindications?  Precautions?

>

>Smells amazing (to me), and I'd happily add it to my own perfume mixture,

>but I want to know more about it first.

>

>Thanks!

>

>Kerr

>





From my web pages.





Black Pepper



     Piper nigrum (Family, Piperceae)



                                                 Perfume Note=Middle



     With a pungent aroma it stimulates and tones. Warming oil during

the cold winter season. Ideal for massaging on abdomen and muscles. Use

in pre-sports or dance rub to help maintain suppleness. One of the

earliest used spices, Interesting effects happen when it is used in

perfume blends. It blends well with Rose, Rosemary, Marjoram and

Lavender, but should only be used in small amounts. 



Warning Black Pepper can be a skin irritant, so must be used with care. 



     Source: fruits, India and Indonesia 

     production method: steam distillation 

     aroma type: spicy 

     traditional use: muscle relaxant, aphrodisiac 

     blends well with: olibanum, sandalwood, lavender, rosemary,

     marjoram amongst others.

     Main Constituents:- Thujene, pinene, camphene, sabinene, carene,

     myrcene, limonene, phellandrene, beta-caryohyllene. 





-- 

Graham Sorenson South Wales, UK.

The Guide to Aromatherapy AND nearly 600 links to other Aromatherapy web sites,

Plus LOTS more. Including links to herbal sites.



http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/





==========

Subject: Re: Black Pepper Essential Oil

From: otmc@bc1.com

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 21:50:27 -0600

--------

Kerr,



From a traditional Chinese point of view. Black pepper provides heat to the

body. It should only be used if you have a cold damp disposition. THis is

characterized by excess of mucous and a physical feeling of cold in

temperatures normal to your body type. It is also indicated by a weak mushy

pulse. If you're prone to migraines or gastruic upset, this is a substance to

avoid. It should also be avoided if you have a volatile personality. I hope

this info is of help to you.



Mark Milotay, DTCM



In article <6ehgci$5nd@freenet-news.carleton.ca>,

  aj982@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kerry Eady) wrote:

>

>

> Noticed this in my health food store the other day, but it was busy so I

> didn't have a chance to ask about it, but what is black pepper essential

> oil good for?  Contraindications?  Precautions?

>

> Smells amazing (to me), and I'd happily add it to my own perfume mixture,

> but I want to know more about it first.

>

> Thanks!

>

> Kerr

>

>





-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading





==========

Subject: Re: Hey, The Puddies!(Evelyn)

From: MAE <Etireugram@Golfer@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:17:17 -0600

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Please give more details about exfoliants causing scarring to the skin. 

I use a natural exfoliator on my face and body.  It's made of honey and

oatmeal.  It leaves my skin soft and non-irritated.



Thanks,

MAE



*	*	* 		Reply Separator		*	*	*







The Puddies wrote:



> 

> First of all, DHEA is awesome for skin.   Noticeable differences.   Also I

> use very good skin products, like Lancome etc.   DO NOT use anything that is

> harsh like exfoliants.   They create miniature scarring that makes your skin

> age too much.

> 

> Never use anything harsher than your own palms on your face.   Treat your

> skin like you were trying to wash and save a rose petal.

> 

> Everytime you wash, moisturize, and forget the cheap stuff.

> 

> NEVER go to bed with makeup on your face, wash, blot dry, and moisturize.

> Do it religiously.... the results will be so dramatic you won't believe it.

> 

> Regards,

> Evelyn



--





==========

Subject: Re: Hey, The Puddies!(Evelyn)

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 16 Mar 1998 03:03:53 GMT

--------



MAE wrote in message <6ehjap$15a@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>x-no-archive: yes

>

>Please give more details about exfoliants causing scarring to the skin.

>I use a natural exfoliator on my face and body.  It's made of honey and

>oatmeal.  It leaves my skin soft and non-irritated.

>

>Thanks,

>MAE



Habitually using exfoliants causes the skin to overproduce oil and

overproduce new skin cells.   It causes the skin to thicken and constantly

be in a state of having to repair the damage from the scrubbing.   Have you

ever had a callus?  Well that is how the body responds to constant rubbing

on any area.   If you want tough thick irritated skin, keep on using

exfoliants.



The bad part is that you can't just stop it cold..... You have to allow the

skin to normalize first.    Exfoliants have a purpose, once in a great

while, if you have been especially lax about any beauty routine, to

stimulate a bit.   Just because it is good once in a while does not make it

good all the time.



The less stress you give your skin the better.   Using only the hands to

wash is the best, since it does not overstress, just sort of gently

massages.   It is only common sense.   An old lady told me how to care for

my skin when I was just a young girl.   I am now 56 and have NO

wrinkles......none.



I do all that I mentioned in my other post, but I forgot to mention the

single most important thing a woman can do for her skin.....DON'T SMOKE!

If it destroys the massive huge arteries that go to the heart, imagine what

it does to the tiny vessels that feed the skin.   Starve it to death is

what.....



Take a look at a person who has not smoked, versus one who does when they

are 50 and the tale is told.   Naturally there are a few other factors, like

use of exfoliants, not moisturizing, going to bed with makeup on over a

lifetime, but the smoking thing is the most obvious and readily seen

anywhere.



Regards,

Evelyn



>

>* * * Reply Separator * * *

>

>

>

>The Puddies wrote:

>

>>

>> First of all, DHEA is awesome for skin.   Noticeable differences.   Also

I

>> use very good skin products, like Lancome etc.   DO NOT use anything that

is

>> harsh like exfoliants.   They create miniature scarring that makes your

skin

>> age too much.

>>

>> Never use anything harsher than your own palms on your face.   Treat your

>> skin like you were trying to wash and save a rose petal.

>>

>> Everytime you wash, moisturize, and forget the cheap stuff.

>>

>> NEVER go to bed with makeup on your face, wash, blot dry, and moisturize.

>> Do it religiously.... the results will be so dramatic you won't believe

it.

>>

>> Regards,

>> Evelyn

>

>--









==========

Subject: REQ : Help for joint pain

From: deth@globalnet.co.uk

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 01:44:16 GMT

--------

Please can anyone recommend a herbal remedy for joint pain like that

associated with a bad case of flu?

if so post here or email me at...



		deth@globalnet.co.uk



		THANX....







==========

Subject: Re: REQ : Help for joint pain

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 16 Mar 1998 02:47:00 GMT

--------



deth@globalnet.co.uk wrote in message

<350c831c.4482385@news.globalnet.co.uk>...

>Please can anyone recommend a herbal remedy for joint pain like that

>associated with a bad case of flu?

>if so post here or email me at...

>

> deth@globalnet.co.uk

>

> THANX....



I thought I was the only one who had that kind of misery...... Interestingly

enough, I discovered that taking a Chelated zinc tablet (50 mg) every day

has stopped the joint pain for me.   If I forget it, the pain returns.

Have NO idea why or how it helps.



Evelyn



>









==========

Subject: headache

From: Ed Myers <edmyers@postoffice.worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:37:29 -0600

--------

My daughter, nearing 40, is having terrible sick type headaches at her

period time.  Is there any herb, etc that could give her some relief.

Asprin and IB does not help.







==========

Subject: REQ: Herbal Tea

From: ae839@rgfn.epcc.edu (James S. Gaines)

Date: 16 Mar 1998 03:23:18 GMT

--------

Need to know where I can get Valeriana Officinalis Tea...Not with the 

Mint flavor...Our resources here have seem to dried up with the supply..

I would be very gratefull for any info on how to locate this herbal tea.



Thanks



JSG





--

 







==========

Subject: Re: REQ: Herbal Tea

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 16 Mar 1998 12:08:02 GMT

--------

Hi------I order my valerian tea through a place called Wildroots.Don't have the

webpage handy right now but if you have problems feel free to e-mail me and I

will find it for you.

               Peace-Marianne





==========

Subject: Re: Pass the Cayenne (DANGEROUS?)

From: "=^.^=" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com>

Date: 16 Mar 98 03:43:54 GMT

--------

There are many dangerous plants (herbs) out there.  No one should be

recommending druglike herbs to the public.  The persons health history not

being known....this is like practicing medicine without a license.  For

those made sick by these unlicensed herb purveyors you can report them to:



healthclaims@ftc.gov    or   otcfraud@cder.fda.gov    

-- 

Carol.....

***MicroSloth: "Bringing you 10 year old technology, tomorrow, maybe. ***

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*



> SavanahSmiles@webtv.net wrote:

> > > > 

> > For a sinus problem I would recommend the herb Ephedra.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~snip

> 

> Stay away from Ephedra!!!   It's a very dangerous product!

> Fidget

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Pass the Cayenne (DANGEROUS?)

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:45:05 -0800

--------

Averyone should research any and all herbs before taking any of them. 

It is good to get imput from others for a direction as to where to

look.  Cayenne is a fantastic herb to take but must be used with caution

if a person is taking any other drug or herb for cayenne is mainly used

as a cattlest with other herbs because it increases the healing

propertys of the herbs and also will do it to over the counter and

prescribtion drugs.  



A hint to anyone asking a person at a healthfood store for information

on herbs for any problems.  If caught by the FDA they can be closed

down.  



I used to know a homeopath who used to give classes on the proper way to

use the remedies.  She also sold the remedies at her business.  She was

forced to stop selling the remedies because the FDA came down on her.  



J9





==========

Subject: Re: Pass the Cayenne (DANGEROUS?)

From: " = Night Owl =" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com>

Date: 17 Mar 98 04:13:55 GMT

--------

They do this because these people are diagnosing health problems with no or

little medical knowledge.  They then sell the person some Herbal cure. 

This is practicing medicine without a licence and can be deadly for the

patient (victim).  Most employees in Health Food Stores are hired off the

street.  Last week they were flipping burgers at Burger Queen or sweeping

floors at K-Mart.  They're the LAST people you want to ask about your

health and life.

-- 

Carol..... Cert. E.M.T.N.Y., V.S.A., 

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*



> 

> I used to know a homeopath who used to give classes on the proper way to

> use the remedies.  She also sold the remedies at her business.  She was

> forced to stop selling the remedies because the FDA came down on her.  

> 

> J9

> 





==========

Subject: Psoriasis "old" Secret Treatment

From: Vern McKechnie <vmck@telusplanet.net>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 23:31:04 -0700

--------

I've been reading an old paperback book that is not available in 

print no more and it gave this unique solution for Psoriasis treatment 

and I would be willing to share it. I can swear to its' effectiveness as 

I've been using it for the last two years with amazing results.





==========

Subject: Re: lose weight

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Mar 1998 06:28:02 -0700

--------

"Body & Health" <body.and.health@tip.nl> wrote:



>Lose weight now ,

>                               asked me how

>body.and.health@tip.nl

>

For starters: don't visit the site, which is probably selling

overpriced "jherbal" products that don'r work.  Take the money

you would have spent and join the Y and excercise.  Eat

moderately - don't starve yourself - and you will get in better

shape.  Anyone who promises that a pill or "suppplement" can take

the place of lifestyle changes is lying (and selling).



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: lose weight

From: Kenneth & Geraldine Mohler <dimunltd@swva.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:46:24 -0500

--------

Not always true. I have tried many diets but until I tried one that is a

perfect balance of nutrients and without even trying 20 pounds fell off

in 3 weeks!



--

Kenneth & Geraldine

***********************************************************************

2 years of chronic back pain gone in two weeks!

http://www.swva.net/dimunltd/testimony.html



***********************************************************************









==========

Subject: nail dye

From: "Stephen coleman" <smbcoleman@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:47:40 -0600

--------

My great auntused to dye her nails a bright orange with some sort of

berries(iirc).

I was told by some of my familiy that it was an old Irish custom that came

over with my family.  I am trying to find out what plant(s) she was using.

could anyone help me on this or refer me to someone who can?

thanks....











==========

Subject: Re: nail dye

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 24 Mar 1998 20:53:55 GMT

--------

i dont know of berries - but i know you can use henna paste to dye nails

various orange hues

Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







==========

Subject: Re: nail dye

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:56:16 -0500

--------

JiaStar wrote:

> 

> i dont know of berries - but i know you can use henna paste to dye nails

> various orange hues

> Blessed Be

> Jia Starsong

> Celestial Creations

> http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

> Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





oh my gosh!  There are MANY many many many herbs, flowers, plants for

this! All ya gotta do for most of em is pick them up!

 Email me for dyes, colors and even fabrics!



 Choalayna

 EnchanteD EncounterS

 http://www.enchantedencounters.com

 choalayna@enchantedencounters.com









==========

Subject: To users of colloidal silver

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:25:35 -0500

--------

Just so you know the other side of the story, you should read this:



http://www.tomifobia.com/previous/rosemary.html



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: To users of colloidal silver

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:58:02 -0800

--------

Thanks RJO.  Too many of us are desperate for some natural miracle cure

and want to believe all the glowing comments we hear.  Let the  buyer

beware.



The mind is like a parachute...

it only functions when it's open.

June



Richard J. Ogden wrote:



> Just so you know the other side of the story, you should read this:

>

> http://www.tomifobia.com/previous/rosemary.html

>

> -RJO











==========

Subject: Re: To users of colloidal silver

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 16:44:50 -0600

--------

Here is my comment on this subject.....not intended to offend anyone at all. Just my lowly opinion.



When Collodial Silver first came out, my first thought was about the Gold that was out many years ago. Lots of people used the gold as a miracle cure, and wound up with heavy metal poisoning and lots of bad side effects.

I went ahead and read the information on both sides of the Colloidal Silver and decided not to use it. Silver is a metal. I have chosen not to drink it, or apply it anywhere. I have read of the side effects and they don't surprise me.

There are many people who use, and let them use it if they want to. People should be aware of both sides, then make an educated decision. We can inform of both sides, lead them to literature on it, but we have to let them decide for themselves. We should not push anyone to do any certain thing, or be angry with them if they choose to do something we disagree with. Let them learn from their own mistakes. I'm not just speaking of the silver aspect, but all of it. From alternatives, to silver, to conventional, to surgeries, to chemo, to circumcision. Whatever it may be. We need to make our own responsible decisions, and if we mess up, we have to be accountable to ourselves. Everyone should research things on their own, too. Make their own decisions. It's their health. If they choose to do something you know isn't good, tell them nicely, politely WHY you think it is incorrect, but let them make their own decision. Be there for support and encouragement when they need it. I support all of my clients in whatever they choose to do. It is their lives, their bodies, their health, their decision. I can be encouraging and supportive without being nasty.



Kay

 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Best aromatherapy oils in the world?

From: kwilnospam@bigfoot.com (K Williams)

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:45:26 -0800

--------

If cost were no object and you could get them from anywhere in the world,

where would you get the best aromatherapy oils in the world? Please tell me

why, also.



Please email me as well as posting. Thanks!



Katherine



-- 

Don't forget to fix the address to email me.





==========

Subject: Re: Best aromatherapy oils in the world?

From: "aromamic" <micida@globetrotter.qc.ca>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 19:44:09 +0100

--------

From France. Because that's where modern aromatherapy started.



Michel

K Williams a crit dans le message ...

>If cost were no object and you could get them from anywhere in the world,

>where would you get the best aromatherapy oils in the world? Please tell me

>why, also.

>

>Please email me as well as posting. Thanks!

>

>Katherine

>

>--

>Don't forget to fix the address to email me.









==========

Subject: Re: Best aromatherapy oils in the world?

From: postmaster@127.0.0.1 (Robbie Baldock (real email address at foot of message))

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:37:29 GMT

--------

"aromamic" <micida@globetrotter.qc.ca> wrote:



>From France. Because that's where modern aromatherapy started.



Right - so they have Cajuput and Frankincense trees in France...?



No, there is no one country where you can get all the oils from.  If I

could I would go to the country where the particular plant/tree grew

naturally and where it was being cultivated organically.





Robbie





----------------------------------

Robbie Baldock

rcb@easynet.co.uk

http://www.rcb.easynet.co.uk/

----------------------------------





==========

Subject: Can't Stop This Nagging Cough

From: "Richard W. Albin" <rwalbin@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:10:56 -0600

--------

I am in my late 40's and am in good health.  I do not smoke or drink.  I

live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area in Texas.  I developed a nagging

cough about 2 months ago and thought I was coming down with a cold or

flu or something.  However, I did not develop any other symptoms -- no

sore throat, no sneezing, no runny nose, no headaches, no fever or

anything.  The cough seems to be caused by drainage into my lungs, I

think.  Could this be some kind of alergy or possibly something more

serious?  Has anyone else experienced a similar problem recently.  Any

ideas or suggested remedies would be greatly appreciated.



Richard ;^) mailto:rwalbin@flash.net

------------------------------------

(new post)





==========

Subject: Re: Can't Stop This Nagging Cough

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 16 Mar 1998 13:43:00 -0700

--------

Well, I had a similiar problem.  It turned out to be sinus drainage.

Try Stinging Nettles herbal capsules to dry up the sinuses.  Also, a

Traditional Chinese Med pill-  Bi Yian Pian - will dry up the sinuses.

Make sure it is not a cough related to heart problems (sorry, if this

sounds frightening but safe is best.)  

Also, when taking stinging nettles or Bi Yian Pian make sure you drink

plenty of water to counter the drying effects.

susan



"Richard W. Albin" <rwalbin@flash.net> wrote:



>I am in my late 40's and am in good health.  I do not smoke or drink.  I

>live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area in Texas.  I developed a nagging

>cough about 2 months ago and thought I was coming down with a cold or

>flu or something.  However, I did not develop any other symptoms -- no

>sore throat, no sneezing, no runny nose, no headaches, no fever or

>anything.  The cough seems to be caused by drainage into my lungs, I

>think.  Could this be some kind of alergy or possibly something more

>serious?  Has anyone else experienced a similar problem recently.  Any

>ideas or suggested remedies would be greatly appreciated.



>Richard ;^) mailto:rwalbin@flash.net

>------------------------------------

>(new post)









==========

Subject: Re: Can't Stop This Nagging Cough

From: " = Night Owl =" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com>

Date: 17 Mar 98 03:49:19 GMT

--------

This can also be a sign of esophagal or lung cancer or other tumors. 

Please see a Dr. before you try anything else.  My Dad also developed the

exact same type of cough.  It was lung cancer,.... but by then it was to

late.  Most people think there must be blood to be a serious chronic cough

but that is not true.  If it's a serious condition you are wasting time

with cough remedies.  Please treat this as a serious condition.

-- 

Carol..... Cert. E.M.T.N.Y., V.S.A., 



~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*



> Well, I had a similiar problem.  It turned out to be sinus drainage.

> Try Stinging Nettles herbal capsules to dry up the sinuses.  Also, a

> Traditional Chinese Med pill-  Bi Yian Pian - will dry up the sinuses.

> Make sure it is not a cough related to heart problems (sorry, if this

> sounds frightening but safe is best.)  

>





==========

Subject: Re: Can't Stop This Nagging Cough

From: gkk2001@accucomm.net (gkk2001)

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:18:59 GMT

--------

Richard,

Interesting story about your cough as I too am in my late 40's, exact

same situation with good health, at least think so, no smoking or

booze and about 2 or 3 months ago developed a nagging cough. It is not

a deep cough but something out of my neck area. Doesn't feel like it

is coming from deep in the lungs.  It has got me baffled. I am on the

verge of going to a doctor for assesment.  I will let you know what

the diagnosis is.  Please e mail me and we can let each other know

what we find out.

Good luck, Greg Karson   gkk2001@accucomm.net

On 16 Mar 1998 13:43:00 -0700, phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet

Stores) wrote:



>Well, I had a similiar problem.  It turned out to be sinus drainage.

>Try Stinging Nettles herbal capsules to dry up the sinuses.  Also, a

>Traditional Chinese Med pill-  Bi Yian Pian - will dry up the sinuses.

>Make sure it is not a cough related to heart problems (sorry, if this

>sounds frightening but safe is best.)  

>Also, when taking stinging nettles or Bi Yian Pian make sure you drink

>plenty of water to counter the drying effects.

>susan

>

>"Richard W. Albin" <rwalbin@flash.net> wrote:

>

>>I am in my late 40's and am in good health.  I do not smoke or drink.  I

>>live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area in Texas.  I developed a nagging

>>cough about 2 months ago and thought I was coming down with a cold or

>>flu or something.  However, I did not develop any other symptoms -- no

>>sore throat, no sneezing, no runny nose, no headaches, no fever or

>>anything.  The cough seems to be caused by drainage into my lungs, I

>>think.  Could this be some kind of alergy or possibly something more

>>serious?  Has anyone else experienced a similar problem recently.  Any

>>ideas or suggested remedies would be greatly appreciated.

>

>>Richard ;^) mailto:rwalbin@flash.net

>>------------------------------------

>>(new post)

>

>



gkk2001





==========

Subject: Re: Can't Stop This Nagging Cough

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Mar 1998 20:45:02 -0700

--------

"Richard W. Albin" <rwalbin@flash.net> wrote:



>I developed a nagging cough about 2 months ago 

(snip)

>Could this be some kind of alergy or possibly something more

>serious?  

  It could be something as minor as a slow-healing viral or

allergic bronchitis or as MAJOR as early tuberculosis.  Get to a

doctor and have it checked out.



  If it's just bronchitis, a couple weeks of echinacea and

goldenseal (and better weather!) will probably fix it up.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Can't Stop This Nagging Cough

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 17 Mar 1998 06:45:13 GMT

--------



Richard W. Albin wrote in message <350D7940.6381@flash.net>...

>I am in my late 40's and am in good health.  I do not smoke or drink.  I

>live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area in Texas.  I developed a nagging

>cough about 2 months ago and thought I was coming down with a cold or

>flu or something.  However, I did not develop any other symptoms -- no

>sore throat, no sneezing, no runny nose, no headaches, no fever or

>anything.  The cough seems to be caused by drainage into my lungs, I

>think.  Could this be some kind of alergy or possibly something more

>serious?  Has anyone else experienced a similar problem recently.  Any

>ideas or suggested remedies would be greatly appreciated.

>

>Richard ;^) mailto:rwalbin@flash.net

>------------------------------------

>(new post)





Hi Richard,



Could you be suffering from that famous Texas "Cedar Fever" ????  My

daughter lives in your general area, and those cedars give off a pollen

around this time of year that is pretty irritating.



It could be some kind of allergy or sinus thing too.



Other possibility..... Do you take blood pressure medication?  Is it an Ace

Inhibitor?  that particular family of medications causes a nasty cough.   I

know, since I have it and it is awful, but the other medications have worse

effects on me.



Evelyn









==========

To: The Puddies <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Subject: Re: Can't Stop This Nagging Cough

From: "Richard W. Albin" <rwalbin@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:06:13 -0600

--------

The Puddies wrote:

> 

> Richard W. Albin wrote in message <350D7940.6381@flash.net>...

> >I am in my late 40's and am in good health.  I do not smoke or drink.  I

> >live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area in Texas.  I developed a nagging

> >cough about 2 months ago and thought I was coming down with a cold or

> >flu or something.  However, I did not develop any other symptoms -- no

> >sore throat, no sneezing, no runny nose, no headaches, no fever or

> >anything.  The cough seems to be caused by drainage into my lungs, I

> >think.  Could this be some kind of alergy or possibly something more

> >serious?  Has anyone else experienced a similar problem recently.  Any

> >ideas or suggested remedies would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> >Richard ;^) mailto:rwalbin@flash.net

> >------------------------------------

> >(new post)

> 

> Hi Richard,

> 

> Could you be suffering from that famous Texas "Cedar Fever" ????  My

> daughter lives in your general area, and those cedars give off a pollen

> around this time of year that is pretty irritating.

> 

> It could be some kind of allergy or sinus thing too.

> 

> Other possibility..... Do you take blood pressure medication?  Is it an Ace

> Inhibitor?  that particular family of medications causes a nasty cough.   I

> know, since I have it and it is awful, but the other medications have worse

> effects on me.

> 

> Evelyn



Hi Evelyn,



Others have suggested that my cough could be caused a "dust allergy" or

something of this nature.  My wife recently had a similar cough and the

Dr. said she might be developing asthma.  He gave her some little pills

to take (Volmax E/R 4Mg Tab Muro) which she took, but she said they gave

her the shakes.  Her cough eventually went away.  I do not take any

blood pressure medications or anything like that.  I have been taking a

little Nyquil about every other night to suppress the cough and help me

sleep, however.  Several people in my office have had cold and flu

symptoms during the past couple of months, but the only symptom I seem

to have is this little nagging dry cough.  I'm going to wait a few more

days and see how it goes before I go to the Doctor myself.



Richard ;^) mailto:rwalbin@flash.net

------------------------------------

(reply posted and e-mailed)





==========

To: "Richard W. Albin" <rwalbin@flash.net>

Subject: Re: Can't Stop This Nagging Cough

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:13:01 -0800

--------

I developed a nagging cough 3 years ago, but mainly at night.  (Sinus

drainage)  Well, I didn't do anything about it and now I have Chronic

Sinusitus.  Please see a doctor.  You can help him help you by telling him

1) When do you cough, just at night or  all day 2)What color is the

drainage? (yes, spit it out onto a white tissue)  BTW, my "drip" is one

color in the am and changes during the course of the day, so frequently spit

it out and check.  3) Do you have any nasal drainage? Any stuffiness in just

one nostril when you wake up?  IMHO, before taking something suggested, see

a doctor, for example my problem is exasperated by antihistamines and herbal

sub. that dry you up, the mucus gets thick and settles in my maxillary

sinuses (YSMV). Is humidity a factor?  Dry and or cold air can inflame sinus

linings so they don't drain out your nose like they're supposed to.  What

caused me to aggressively pursue the annoyance of the Post Nasal drip was

reading of a correlation between Sinus problems and Asthma....PN drip into

the lungs...Mouth breathing when sleeping and having unfiltered,

unhumidified air going directly to the lungs...Please find out the cause of

the symptoms, so you can make informed decisions whether you need to dry up

or thin out mucuses and whether allergies are involved.  Once you know that,

then you can choose your treatment, be it herbal remedies or traditional.

Sorry about the book, I feel strongly about this.  My mom has Asthma and her

life stinks.  (I'm not suggesting that your cough is destined to become

Asthma, but some seemingly insignificant symptom left untreated can become

something worse.)  Best of luck

June



Richard W. Albin wrote:



> I am in my late 40's and am in good health.  I do not smoke or drink.  I

> live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area in Texas.  I developed a nagging

> cough about 2 months ago and thought I was coming down with a cold or

> flu or something.  However, I did not develop any other symptoms -- no

> sore throat, no sneezing, no runny nose, no headaches, no fever or

> anything.  The cough seems to be caused by drainage into my lungs, I

> think.  Could this be some kind of alergy or possibly something more

> serious?  Has anyone else experienced a similar problem recently.  Any

> ideas or suggested remedies would be greatly appreciated.

>

> Richard ;^) mailto:rwalbin@flash.net

> ------------------------------------

> (new post)











==========

To: holliday@nep.net

Subject: Re: Can't Stop This Nagging Cough

From: "Richard W. Albin" <rwalbin@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:25:52 -0600

--------

HOLLIDAY wrote:

> 

> I developed a nagging cough 3 years ago, but mainly at night.  (Sinus

> drainage)  Well, I didn't do anything about it and now I have Chronic

> Sinusitus.



I have had sinusitus before, and also bronchitis, but this seems

different.  My nose is not runny and I don't sneeze as much as I did

when I had sinusitus.  I really don't have any upper throat or sinus

area symptoms.  Maybe just a little drainage.



  Please see a doctor.



I'll go in a few days if this little nagging dry cough does not clear

up.



  You can help him help you by telling him

> 1) When do you cough, just at night or  all day



During the day mainly, a little at night.  However, I have been taking

Nyquil about every other night to help suppress the cough.  I am

sleeping just fine.



 2)What color is the

> drainage? (yes, spit it out onto a white tissue) 



It's clear and apparently normal.



 BTW, my "drip" is one

> color in the am and changes during the course of the day, so frequently spit

> it out and check.



I'll do that.



  3) Do you have any nasal drainage? Any stuffiness in just

> one nostril when you wake up? 



Some nasal drainage, but I have always had that.  Yes, sometimes a

little stuffiness in one nostril when I wake up.



 IMHO, before taking something suggested, see

> a doctor, for example my problem is exasperated by antihistamines and herbal

> sub. that dry you up, the mucus gets thick and settles in my maxillary

> sinuses (YSMV).



Nyquil is the only medication I have been taking, and only at night.



 Is humidity a factor?



We have had a very mild, but wet winter here in the Dallas-Fort Worth

area of Texas (probably El Nino effects).  I understand that the pollen

content in our air here is quite high.



  Dry and or cold air can inflame sinus

> linings so they don't drain out your nose like they're supposed to.



It certainly has not been dry here this winter -- extra wet in fact.



  What

> caused me to aggressively pursue the annoyance of the Post Nasal drip was

> reading of a correlation between Sinus problems and Asthma....PN drip into

> the lungs...Mouth breathing when sleeping and having unfiltered,

> unhumidified air going directly to the lungs...



When I sleep on my back with my mouth open, my wife nudges me to turn

over because I snore in that position.  When I sleep on my side or

stomach evidently I do not snore as much.  We have central air

conditioning and heating but the temperatures have been relative mild

during the last couple of months so the heater has not been running as

much as normal.



Please find out the cause of

> the symptoms, so you can make informed decisions whether you need to dry up

> or thin out mucuses and whether allergies are involved.  Once you know that,

> then you can choose your treatment, be it herbal remedies or traditional.



I'm in a wait and see mode, for the moment, but if my symptoms get

increasingly worse I'll see a Doctor for sure.



> Sorry about the book, I feel strongly about this.  My mom has Asthma and her

> life stinks.  (I'm not suggesting that your cough is destined to become

> Asthma, but some seemingly insignificant symptom left untreated can become

> something worse.)  Best of luck

> June



June, I appreciate the time you took to reply to my post.  It seems a

lot of folks are having similar coughing problems recently.  Since I

don't smoke, I am not particularly worried about lung cancer, tumors, or

any really serious lung ailment, but my father smoked all of his life

and I was exposed to a lot of second hand smoke in our home when I was

growing up.  I had a chest x-ray done several years ago and the nurse

said it looked like my lungs were damaged -- she asked my wife if I

smoked, and my wife said that I did not.  The nurse (not a Doctor) said

it looked like smoker's lungs to her.  I'll probably get another chest

x-ray done along with a diagnosis from a real Doctor this time.





Thanks again,



Richard





> 

> Richard W. Albin wrote:

> 

> > I am in my late 40's and am in good health.  I do not smoke or drink.  I

> > live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area in Texas.  I developed a nagging

> > cough about 2 months ago and thought I was coming down with a cold or

> > flu or something.  However, I did not develop any other symptoms -- no

> > sore throat, no sneezing, no runny nose, no headaches, no fever or

> > anything.  The cough seems to be caused by drainage into my lungs, I

> > think.  Could this be some kind of alergy or possibly something more

> > serious?  Has anyone else experienced a similar problem recently.  Any

> > ideas or suggested remedies would be greatly appreciated.

> >

> > Richard ;^) mailto:rwalbin@flash.net

> > ------------------------------------

> > (new post)





==========

Subject: Is it Ditney of Crete???

From: William Groth <groth@ruf.rice.edu>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:54:38 -0600

--------

Hello all,



I recently found a wonderful little plant with succulent type leaves.

The leaves

are only about 3/4 inch in diameter and they are somewhat green and

fuzzy.  The

people at the local nursery said they believed it was a Kalanchoe but I

wonder.

The leaves are very aromatic with a spicy-minty aroma and they said it

is called

"Menthol" in the trade.  I also have a thriving Ditney of Crete and

these two

plants look almost identical.  The newer one has a more upright

character at the

moment and the leaves on the older plant are a little shinier.

Otherwise they

are virtually identical.  Is there a dwarf type Kalanchoe which is

aromatic?

Is there a possibility that Ditney of Crete would be considered a

succulent?

What are your thoughts?







==========

Subject: Name That Plant Contest #4 - No Winner Yet

From: Bryan Ness <botany.guide@miningco.com>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:53:22 -0800

--------

The Botany Site's "Name That Plant Contest" is in full swing and this

week there is not yet a winner.  Winners do not receive a prize, but you

will receive recognition as "Plant Sleuth of the Week" if you are the

first to identify our mystery plant.  To try your skill (or luck) by

going to:



http://botany.miningco.com/blcontst.htm



Good Luck!

--

______________________________________________________________

Bryan Ness, Botany Guide           http://botany.miningco.com/

botany.guide@miningco.com





==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids, Uterine & RIPOFFS

From: " = Night Owl =" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com>

Date: 17 Mar 98 03:40:03 GMT

--------

These progesterone creams are a SCAM!  These purveyors of progesterone have

been run off the other groups (menopause, endometriosis etc).  Research

shows there is not enough of any active progesterone to do anything but

lighten your wallets.  Do research on your own about fibroids - they're not

caused by a lack of progesterone.  They tend to run in families and are

very common.  Talk to your Dr. or NP if you have these fibroids.  This P

cream is a worthless product of one of those ML ripoff companies.



This is a FRAUD.     Report fraud to: healthclaims@ftc.gov  or 

otcfraud@cder.fda.gov

-- 

.Carol..... Cert. E.M.T.N.Y., V.S.A., 



~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*



Baudlady <baudlady@aol.com> wrote in article 

> Have your progesterone level checked.  Low or no levels leads to a

condition

> called estrogen dominance, which may cause fibroids.  

> 

> 





==========

Subject: USP and herb regulation

From: Camilla Cracchiolo <camilla@primenet.com> (Camilla Cracchiolo)

Date: 16 Mar 1998 21:13:01 -0700

--------







I've heard that the USP is writing a series of monographs on

various herbs.



What exactly are the legal implications of this?  Will they be

able to set manufacturing standards?  Will this be legally

binding?  Is there any potential for the USP to help solve some

of the problems with herb labelling and standardization?





Please send me an e-mail copy of any replies you post to the

newsgroup.



Thanks.







-------------------------------------------------------------

"The trick is to keep an open mind, without it being so open

                   that your brain falls out"



                    Camilla Cracchiolo

                     Registered Nurse



camilla@primenet.com         http://www.primenet.com/~camilla



-------------------------------------------------------------

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                       (213) 766-1366



    CFS/Fibromyalgia/AIDS Support * General Medical Info

Skepticism/Science *  Left Wing Politics/Feminism/Gay Rights

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Subject: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: Miriam <palin.anah@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:27:55 -0700

--------

Hi, could anyone inform me if St. Johns Wart works similar to the new

diet drug Meridia or Fen (Phen/Fen).  I heard it promotes seretonin

pretty much the same as those drugs and that it may cause damage to the

heart valves.



I myself have been taking St. Johns Wart for depression/anxiety and give

it to my 10 yr. old son for better concentration due to anxiety/nerves.

Seems to be in our family.  I'm considering taking him  off it.



Miriam







==========

Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 17 Mar 1998 22:33:01 -0700

--------

Miriam <palin.anah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>Hi, could anyone inform me if St. Johns Wart works similar to the new

>diet drug Meridia or Fen (Phen/Fen).  I heard it promotes seretonin

>pretty much the same as those drugs and that it may cause damage to the

>heart valves.

  St JHohn's Wort has been heavily tested in Germany, and has not

been shown to have the heart damaging effect of "Phen/Fen".  The

heart damage was NOT due to the serotonin elevating effect.







Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 18 Mar 1998 23:19:25 GMT

--------



Miriam wrote in message <6emfc8$hkv@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

>Hi, could anyone inform me if St. Johns Wart works similar to the new

>diet drug Meridia or Fen (Phen/Fen).  I heard it promotes seretonin

>pretty much the same as those drugs and that it may cause damage to the

>heart valves.

>

>I myself have been taking St. Johns Wart for depression/anxiety and give

>it to my 10 yr. old son for better concentration due to anxiety/nerves.

>Seems to be in our family.  I'm considering taking him  off it.

>

>Miriam





Miriam,

Stop worrying.   You heard wrong.   St. Johns Wort is safe and has been used

for many years in Europe without any serious side effects at all other than

a little sensitivity to sunshine.   There is no danger of heart valve

problems at all from it.



The new drug Meridia is not anything like Phen/fen, which has been taken off

the market.   There are a couple of new diet drugs and they both work

differently from Phen Fen and from St. Johns Wort.



Evelyn

>









==========

Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: quester@sjm.infi.net (Harold Groot)

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 04:23:23 GMT

--------

On Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:01:49 -0500, "Windows Users" <@uoli.com> wrote:



>Those problems are strictly from the drug.  St. John's Wort can't cause

>that.



>>Hi, could anyone inform me if St. Johns Wart works similar to the new

>>diet drug Meridia or Fen (Phen/Fen).  I heard it promotes seretonin

>>pretty much the same as those drugs and that it may cause damage to the

>>heart valves.





It was the fen in phen/fen that was supposedly linked to the heart

problems - but it really appears that it was a bum rap.  While fen

(fenfluramine, also redux/dexfenfluramine) increases the levels of

Serotonin IN THE BRAIN, they later proved that it did not increase

serotonin levels IN THE BLOOD.  So it was not responsible for problems

at the heart.  So I wouldn't worry about SJW (which is supposed to be

similar to fen).  I have no idea on the mechanism of Meridia.







==========

Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: vivacafe@aol.com (Vivacafe)

Date: 29 Mar 1998 18:54:17 GMT

--------

I've been taking SJW for almost a year.  I'm wondering if the fatigue I've been

experiencing is a side effect.  Has anyone else noticed a connection between

SJW and fatigue?





==========

Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: 'budding herbalist' <herbal@thewoods.org>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:58:00 GMT

--------





Vivacafe wrote:



> I've been taking SJW for almost a year.  I'm wondering if the fatigue I've been

> experiencing is a side effect.  Has anyone else noticed a connection between

> SJW and fatigue?



I have more energy and stamina since beginning a regimen which includes Hypericum

[St John's Wort]



ymmv



apply all standard disclaimers



Deb









==========

Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: "Dox." <dai@nucleus.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 04:18:52 -0700

--------

    Actually that is one of the know side effects...since SJW is a

nuro-suppressor it may in some cases make you feel "fatigued" or feeling

half full of steam...Thats why it is such a good apat. suppressor.



    Hope that helps



    Dave



Vivacafe wrote in message

<1998032918541700.NAA02904@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>I've been taking SJW for almost a year.  I'm wondering if the fatigue I've

been

>experiencing is a side effect.  Has anyone else noticed a connection

between

>SJW and fatigue?









==========

Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: "Karen  Shelton" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:10:34 -0600

--------

I have had this problem with fatigue and St. Johnswort at times, but found

that adding ginseng to my regimen makes a big improvement in energy levels,

Karen Shelton

www.altnature.com

nature@altnature.com









==========

Subject: Growing Herbs

From: The Kaos Project <hecate@lineone.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 00:57:25 -0800

--------

I was wondering if there are any web sites devoted to growing

herbs as well as to their folklore and use.



Could you please reply in private e-mail as well as to the

newsgroup.



thanks,

Kat

hecate@lineone.net

---Z(Node) SS 333---

The Kaos Website: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Delphi/3384

AGLI I VAOAN OD TOLGLO NOALN

nothing is truth and all things can be





==========

Subject: Indian medicines (herbs)

From: "Joyce Lovell" <joyce@clandjop.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:39:52 -0800

--------

My husband & I just closed down our Indian Supply shop in Joplin, Mo. We

still have a supply of herb that we would like to sell.



The following is a list and price of herbs and discription:

Each bag comes with instructions on use inside

they are bagged in approx 1/16lb bags and have been blessed - they are in

there natural state or crushed



EYE BRIGHT   $4.99 as drops for eye inflamation and dimming eyesight

AMERICAN GINSENG powder  $3.25 known by "sang" by Cherokees,  put on food or

in capsule blood purifier, expectorant, nervous aflections, palsy, vertigo,

headache, sex

DANDELION ROOT  $1.99  use as tea for acne, age spots, blood purifier, liver

disorders, and nerves. also make police for acne & age spots (my son had

teenage acne real bad, this cleared him up after about two months)

FENNEL SEED  $1.29  as tea given for women in labor, good for eyes, gas,

digestion, gout, liver disease, & weight loss

BLUE VERVAIN $1.65 as police apply to poisonous bites, boil to use as mouth

wash. crush & apply to new wounds to draw them together. Tea for disolves

stones of bladder, cleansing obstruction of liver, cataplasm for violent

pains & stiffness in joints, emetic, expectorant, for cloudy urine.

RED ROOT $1.95  Astringent, strong decoction for cancer, venereal disease

BLOOD ROOT $2.55  Decoction in small doses for cough, lung inflammation, and

croup. Wash for ulcers & sores. Snuff for polpus and runny nose. Has a

sedative affect. USE VERY LITTLE

CHAPPARAL (creosote)  $3.99  tea for malignant melanoma, acne & skin

conditions of warts & blotches, arthritis, cancer, chronic backache,

increase of hair growth, improved eyesight, increase bowl elimination

(though not a laxative), kidney infection, leukemia, prostate gland trouble,

skin cancer, sinus, stomach cancer, throat, bronchial & pulmonary

conditions, weight reducing.

FEVERFEW  $1.69  tea for arthritis and headache pain, and for liver

disorders

CATNIP  $2.99  tea is stimulant and tonic, for femal obstructions,

hysterics, worms, spasms, colic, hives. make into poultice for boils

SLIPPARY ELM BARK powdered  $3.99  use for constipation, deafness,

hemorrhoids, herpes, pain, syphillis, cancer & tumours of the womb

MARJORAM LEAVES  $1.25  tea for pain reliever, warm juice for ear aches.

MULLIN FLOWER $2.99  dried leaves where smoked by Indians for lung

congestion, tea is also used for cough, colds, & pectoral complaints,

including hemorrhages from lungs, shortness of breath, and pulmonary

complaints, concoction for inflamed piles, ulcers, tumors, mumps, tonsils,

dropsy, & more

BIRCH LEAVES  $1.75  tea diarrhea, dysentery, cholera, blood cleanser, skin

eruptions & boils, rheumatism, dropsy, gout, stones in kidneys & bladder,

worms, canker & mouth sores

WORMWOOD  $1.59  strenghtens stomach, worms & constipation, gout, dropsy,

hepatitis, promotes appetite, stimulant, anthelmintic,

ASTRAGULUS ROOT powder  $2.45  use for weight loss and energy

DEVIL'S ROOT  $2.35  tea to make one strong & muscular, worms, kidney

problems, chew root for sore gums & mouth, including pyorrhea, rinse for

hair braking & falling out

GOLDEN SEAL  8.99  cancer, general debility, improve appetite, asthma,

colds, flu, cough, dibeties, sex

JUNIPER BERRIES  $1.75 tea stimulant, diuretic, deabetes, immune system,

kidney & bladder disorders

YARROW FLOWERS  $2.99 tea for run-down conditions & indigestion, colds,

influenza, measles, smallpox, chichenpox, fevers, blood cleanser. juice in

eye for reddness,

BEAR ROOT   $1.99  chew for tooth pain, singers use to make voice strong

OSHA ROOT  (Navajo call it "deer eye") $1.99 colds, flu, fever, cough, phegm

disease, gas , indigestion, delayed menses, rhematic complaints

MUGWORT  $3.25  tea diuretic, loosens stones in bladder, strenghtens

stomach, womens diseases, cures heart-roots, jaundice, many other things

CLOVES  $1.99  tea nausea, emesis, flatulence, languid indigestion &

dyspepsia, use to assist the action of other medicines

PEPPERMINT   $1.89  tea stimulant, vomiting, hysterics, affections of

stomach and bowels, dispels flatulence & removes colic pains, relieves

cramps. nervous headache, fevers, colds, also mix with tobacco for flavor

SPEARMINT  $1.89  tea stimulant, vomiting, hysterics, stomach & bowels,

flatulence, colic pains, cramps, nervous headach, fever, colds, can be mixed

with tobacco for flavor

ENCHINACEA (Mo Snake root)  $3.99  tea increases bodily resistance to

infection, boils, erysipelas, septicemia, cancer, syphillis, other

impurities of the blood,

ALEALFA LEAVES  $1.29  tea for asthma, arthritis, deabetes, digestion

problems, blood purifier

CHICKWEED  $1.69  tea blood purifier, circulation, constipation, worms,

juice for ear aches.

NETTLE LEAVES  $1.39  tea with water or wine for jaundice, coughs, colds,

lungs, and swollen stomach, also astringent, tonic, and diuretic

RED WILLOW BARK  $5.20  considered a relative of the 4-winds. tea for

headach, fever, neuraglia, hay fever, and reduces inflamation of joints and

membraines. (my uncle used this one for arthritis and to his surprise it not

only worked great for his arthritis but it also cured his hemorriods)

HORSETAIL  $1.25  tea for hair, bones, ears, eyes, and kidneys

CHAMOMILE FLOWER  $1.99 tea for menstral complaints, nerves

BEE POLLEN  $1.89  eat for energy, alergies

WHITE OAK BARK  $5.20  tea dysentery (bloody stool) or any debility of

system, milky urine, hemmorrhoids, indigestion, varicose vains, asthma

BOLDO  $1.99  tea for digestive, liver, and weight loss aid. diuretic

BURDOCK  $1.79  tea for acne & other skin disorders, blood purifier,

arthritis

GARLIC   $1.50  many effects and healing powers, asthma hoarseness, coughs,

dificulty breathing and other disorders of the lungs, aids in digestion,

keeps coat of stomach healthy, diaphoretic, jiuretic, expectorant,

stimulant.

CAYENNE  $1.50  stimulant, tonic, carminative, diaphoretic, cough, torpor of

the kidneys, pneumonia, pleursy, typhoid fever, cramps, pains in stomach and

bowels, bleeding of the lungs.

These uses have all come out of books on Indian uses of herbs, I am sure

there are other uses for some of them not listed here. these herbs are all

in there natural state, some are crushed unlike the stuff you buy at the

store in capsules.

If you buy $100.00 I will give you a 20% discount (so you can buy $100.00

for $80.00)

The books are still in my shed and it's night so I will send a list of what

I have left in books later.













==========

Subject: Spilanthes tincture info wanted

From: shannon@yoga.com (Shannon Brophy)

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:16:36 GMT

--------

At the suggestion of my acupuncturist/herbalist, I have been using

this tincture for my little son's runny nose and it really helps. I

wanted to learn more about the properties of spilanthes root/tinture

and dosages for a one year old. Any info you send would be most

appreciated.

Shannon B.



_____________________________________________________________________

 For information on Yoga, Massage and Bodywork, and Natural Healing  

               or to browse Holistic Products to order

      visit the Roots & Wings Website at http://www.yoga.com





==========

Subject: Re: Bad A** Antibiotic

From: shannon@yoga.com (Shannon Brophy)

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:26:16 GMT

--------

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 03:13:44 GMT, larry@ask.net (Larry) wrote:



>Through a Champion Juicer:

>

>organic carrot

>organic celery

>1-2 organic clove(s) strong garlic

>

>note:  allow ALL fresh-squeezed juices to mix with your saliva before

>swallowing, or you will probably get a sore stomach.  



Toast with chopped garlic and parsley can help head off a cold. Tasty

too-if you love garlic. Ginger or daikon (a small bit) added to carrot

juice can make it more warming in cold weather.

Shannon B.



_____________________________________________________________________

 For information on Yoga, Massage and Bodywork, and Natural Healing  

               or to browse Holistic Products to order

      visit the Roots & Wings Website at http://www.yoga.com





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Subject: L-tyrosine ?

From: "Dragonlady & Scooter" <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 17 Mar 1998 17:29:37 GMT

--------

I finally found my note about different "stop smoking"  aids.  Several

people mentioned L-tyrosine.  Can someone tell me more about what this is. 

My husband has finally made the big decision, but he is not big on "health

foody stuff" as he puts it.  Can't even smell a B complex vitamin much less

take one.

All help appreciated.  I would like to make his transition to non-smoker as

painless as possible so he will be successful.

-- 

Scooter & Dragonlady





==========

To: Dragonlady & Scooter <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: L-tyrosine ?

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:56:42 -0700

--------

I believe tyrosine was used in the 80s to help people get off cocaine.  If I

remember right, it helped.  So, it would help with other addictions as well, I

would imagine.  Anyone else remember this??

Pam



Dragonlady & Scooter wrote:



> I finally found my note about different "stop smoking"  aids.  Several

> people mentioned L-tyrosine.  Can someone tell me more about what this is.

> My husband has finally made the big decision, but he is not big on "health

> foody stuff" as he puts it.  Can't even smell a B complex vitamin much less

> take one.

> All help appreciated.  I would like to make his transition to non-smoker as

> painless as possible so he will be successful.

> --

> Scooter & Dragonlady







--

Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

Soap Making Instructions

http://soapcrafters.com









==========

To: Dragonlady & Scooter <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: L-tyrosine ?

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:56:42 -0700

--------

I believe tyrosine was used in the 80s to help people get off cocaine.  If I

remember right, it helped.  So, it would help with other addictions as well, I

would imagine.  Anyone else remember this??

Pam



Dragonlady & Scooter wrote:



> I finally found my note about different "stop smoking"  aids.  Several

> people mentioned L-tyrosine.  Can someone tell me more about what this is.

> My husband has finally made the big decision, but he is not big on "health

> foody stuff" as he puts it.  Can't even smell a B complex vitamin much less

> take one.

> All help appreciated.  I would like to make his transition to non-smoker as

> painless as possible so he will be successful.

> --

> Scooter & Dragonlady







--

Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

Soap Making Instructions

http://soapcrafters.com









==========

Subject: Re: L-tyrosine ?

From: whosis@what.com (Whosis)

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:07:52 GMT

--------

"Dragonlady & Scooter" <dragonlady-scooter@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

l-tyrosine is one of the *many* chemicals that modern tobacco is laced

with to help the smoker feel better when he/she smokes. The tyrosine

seemed to help a tiny bit when I stopped smoking.







==========

Subject: Re: Melatonin (was DHEA for some reason)

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:34:32 -0500

--------

Tiggr p00h <tiggrp00h@aol.com> wrote in article

<19980315102001.FAA14505@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> Just  a warning about melatonin:

>

> A coworker and I both started on it at approximately the same time.  We

were

> taking, i believe, 1mg?  The smallest dose.

> Anyhow, yes we slept good.  However, the next day, if we weren't the

crabbiest

> b**ches in the world, i dont know who was!  Imagine ladies, if you will...

your

> worst day of pms.  then multiply that by 100.  That's how we felt after

taking

> melatonin.  Very hostile, violent, horrible.





I found that the 300 MICROgram dose available at the local Publix grocery

store works fine for me for occasional insomnia.  Most of the people I've

spoken with who have had problems with melatonin were on the higher doses.

I don't know why some stores don't sell anything less than the 1 gram (1,000

microgram) dose, as this would be too strong for me (based on how the 300 ug

dose works).



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Melatonin (was DHEA for some reason)

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 18 Mar 1998 03:40:05 GMT

--------

Richard J. Ogden (pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net) wrote:

:Tiggr p00h <tiggrp00h@aol.com> wrote in article

:<19980315102001.FAA14505@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

:> Just  a warning about melatonin:

:>

:> A coworker and I both started on it at approximately the same time.  We

:were

:> taking, i believe, 1mg?  The smallest dose.

:> Anyhow, yes we slept good.  However, the next day, if we weren't the

:crabbiest

:> b**ches in the world, i dont know who was!  Imagine ladies, if you will...

:your

:> worst day of pms.  then multiply that by 100.  That's how we felt after

:taking

:> melatonin.  Very hostile, violent, horrible.

:

:

:I found that the 300 MICROgram dose available at the local Publix grocery

:store works fine for me for occasional insomnia.  Most of the people I've

:spoken with who have had problems with melatonin were on the higher doses.

:I don't know why some stores don't sell anything less than the 1 gram (1,000

:microgram) dose, as this would be too strong for me (based on how the 300 ug

:dose works).

:

:-RJO

:

:

:



Most stores I've visited also have the 500mcg dosage.  It's the one I use.  I

went from 3 mg to .5 mg in several months - it's a good idea to use the lowest

possible effective dose in my opinion. Nex





    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Epstein-Barr help?

From: "Wayne & Wendy" <waynel@loa.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:23:49 -0500

--------

Hi, Is there anyone out there who knows of any herbs that can help counter

the effects of EBV?

Thanks, Wayne LaBanca

waynel@loa.com









==========

Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr help?

From: ziphead@jersey.net

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:13:30 GMT

--------

"Wayne & Wendy" <waynel@loa.com> wrote:



>Hi, Is there anyone out there who knows of any herbs that can help counter

>the effects of EBV?

>Thanks, Wayne LaBanca

>waynel@loa.com





If you find something let me know

I was recommended coenzme q-10

can`t say for sure if it is working

i`m assumimg EBV is the same as CFS

as the diagnoises was high levels of ebstien barr viriii







==========

To: ziphead@jersey.net

Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr help?

From: Jen <guerra@webspan.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:31:01 -0800

--------

ziphead@jersey.net wrote:



> "Wayne & Wendy" <waynel@loa.com> wrote:

>

> >Hi, Is there anyone out there who knows of any herbs that can help counter

> >the effects of EBV?

> >Thanks, Wayne LaBanca

> >waynel@loa.com

>

> If you find something let me know

> I was recommended coenzme q-10

> can`t say for sure if it is working

> i`m assumimg EBV is the same as CFS

> as the diagnoises was high levels of ebstien barr viriii



EBV is not the same as CFS/CFIDS. If someone has the usual Epstein Barr

mononucleosis, they should recover within a few months completely. Research has

found that one need not have high titers of EBV to have CFS at all. ( What

usually happens is that PWC's "collect" viruses due to the immune

dysfunction..i have CMV, HHV6 and Coxsackie B's).



They used to think that CFS was Chronic Epstein Barr but CFS has been found to

be completely different.



Just wanted to insert some info here. :-) If anyone wants more info, just check

out my CFIDS site.



--

Jen :)



******************************************

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http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen's Walk on the Web

http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

******************************************



"Believe me....I'm not a doctor."  ;-)









==========

Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr help?

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 26 Mar 1998 17:58:47 GMT

--------

>If someone has the usual Epstein Barr

>mononucleosis, they should recover within a few months completely



while this is in essenese true -- the EB Virus stays in the body much like the

Chicken Pox virus does.. it is possible to relapse into Mono or to simply have

some symptoms of fatigue etc should the virus increase in the body



myself i had a serious case of Mono in High School - not diagnosed until i had

it, Drs approximated , abt 8 mos.



when stress or illness wear me down i have spells of htat endless fatigue that

i know all too well....



look for a book



Prescription for Nutritional healing - Balch



covers a wide variety of treatments for various ailments incl CFS and Mono, EBV













==========

To: ziphead@jersey.net

Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr help?

From: allofus <digger@pond.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:52:21 -0800

--------

Some things I have heard of  helping are...St. John's Wort,

taheebo(Pau d'Arco), suma, Ling Chi (reishi) mushroom, and Aloe vera

juice. St. John's is anti-viral. Suma is an immune enhancer, Ling Chi

is an anti-inflammatory immune enhancer, aloe is a blood cleanser with

nutritive and anti-bacterial effects. A search on the name Christopher

Hobbs will give you his web site and access to some of the best herb

information available. Good luck. Sabra







==========

Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr help?

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:36:49 -0600

--------

Not herbs alone, but changing the diet and using herbs as supplements......



    Begin healing with plenty of cleansing/flushing fruit juices and bottles

distilled water for 1 week. Try to get all natural juices, sometimes called

organic. DO NOT FAST. Strength and nutrition are too low. 

Particularly use apple/alfalfa sprout, papaya/pineapple, and

pineapple/coconut juices for strength and enzyme enhancement.

Then, follow with a week of green drinks, potassium broth, and vegetable

juices to cleanse, strengthen, and rebuild the liver function. Green drinks

you can get from leafy vegetables and wheatgrass.

Then, eat a diet high in vegetable proteins--brown rice, tofu, nuts, seeds,

sprouts--and cultured foods--yogurt, kefir-- for rebuilding friendly flora.

If he/she doesn't like yogurt or kefir, he/she could supplement with acidophilus.

I'd get a Mega-dophilus. You just mix it in a glass of water. It doesn't

taste like anything. Use 1/4 teaspoon in water before meals.

Add vitamin A and vitamin C rich foods--fruits and vegetables.

Drink plenty of pure water--distilled--and fruit juices daily to relieve

fever and sore throat.



Effective herbal immune enhancers--

Milk thistle seed extract, Siberian ginseng extract, astralgus extract,

Reishi mushroom capsules, Pau D' Arco tea, echinacea, and St. John's Wort

extract. ( St. John's Wort may be difficult to get ahold of, due to all of

the hype on its use for depression.) Use echinacea/goldenseal root

combination and garlic to clear lymph glands of infection.



Teas brewed from burdock root, dandelion, echinacea, goldenseal, and pau d'

arco will promote healing. Combine or alternate the teas, and drink 4 to 6

cups daily.





Vitamin C--preferably with bioflavonoids--5,000-10,000 mg. daily or as

tolerated by the bowels. This has an antiviral effect.

Coenzyme Q10--75 mg. daily to enhance the effectiveness of the immune

system.

Proteolytic enzymes--2-3 tablets between meals and before bed. These remove

undigested food from the bloodstream and reduces inflammation.

Vitamin A--50,000 IU for 1 month. Slowly drop to 25,000 IU.

Vitamin E--400 to 800 IU for 1 month. Slowly drop to 400 IU.  Both of these

vitamins are powerful free radical scavengers. Use caution when taking A in

pill form because liver disorders are related to this disease. Try to get as

many vitamins from a fresh food diet.

Multi-vitamin formula with minerals. I'd get chelated minerals.

Germanium--200 mg. and up--improves tissue oxygenation and immune function.

Vitamin B complex--100 mg. 3 times daily.



Don't use any aspirin because Reye's syndrome could develop.

Get early morning sunlight on the body every day it's possible to. This will

also provide vitamin D. Bed rest during acute stages and regular mild

exercise during the rebuilding stages are critical.

Check into a candida problem as 60% percent of people infected with EBV also

have candida.

Avoid all pleasure drugs, caffeine and chemical stimulants. These are often

the substances that reduce immunity to its infective point.





-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Wayne & Wendy wrote in message <6empqn$dum@light.loa.com>...

>Hi, Is there anyone out there who knows of any herbs that can help counter

>the effects of EBV?

>Thanks, Wayne LaBanca

>>

>







==========

Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr help?

From: Jen <guerra@webspan.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:00:41 -0800

--------

slade or kay henson wrote:



<snip>



>  Bed rest during acute stages and regular mild

> exercise during the rebuilding stages are critical.

> Check into a candida problem as 60% percent of people infected with EBV also

> have candida.



<snip>

These are unfortunate snips for size because this was great advice! I DO need to

comment on the above. If Wayne actually has EBV or Chronic Epstein Barr (in which

there is a 50% fatality rate..this occurs in immune suppressed individuals like organ

recipients on immuno supressive therapies, etc) he should not be exercising during

the good times, he should be resting. Complete LACK of movement, of course, isn't

good but it's not a big deal because EBV is easily conquered over a few months with

no lasting damage.



This advice is helpful for people with Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome

(CFIDS) or as it is commonly known: Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. It was first thought

that CFS *was* Chronic Epstein Barr but this has subsquently been disproven. CFS is

an illness in itself and the research as to it's cause is ongoing.



I'd like to clarify what 'exercise' would be in the case of CFS: Exercise would be

better called 'therapeutic activity.' Aerobic exercise (walking, jogging) has been

found to be the *worst* thing for CFS. If the sufferer is bedridden (which is often

the case) he/she should try some easy stretching only. If the sufferer is not so

severely afflicted, they can do stretching plus some weight/resistance training to

keep the muscles strong. <flexes a bicep> ;-)



Your stats on Candida for CFS is about right. Candida grows like crazy from the

stupid antibiotics the docs throw at us trying to 'cure' us in the beginning stages

of the disease and also, the immune system can't control the yeast levels.



One more thing, many PWCs (people with CFIDS) develop food sensitivies and allergies.

Especially to dairy. The common advice is to at least cut back on dairy, sugar or try

an elimination diet to find possible offending foods. When we get stronger (if we're

in that group of PWCs that do) we can start re-introducing foods and see how we feel.



Ok, that's it. :-) Sorry this is so long!



--

Jen :)



******************************************

Jen Munn's CFIDS Site

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen's Walk on the Web

http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

******************************************



"Believe me....I'm not a doctor."  ;-)









==========

Subject: Re: Epstein-Barr help?

From: "Windows Users" <@uoli.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:11:57 -0500

--------

I would go with some good anti-oxidants myself.



Cheri



Wayne & Wendy wrote in message <6empqn$dum@light.loa.com>...

>Hi, Is there anyone out there who knows of any herbs that can help counter

>the effects of EBV?

>Thanks, Wayne LaBanca

>waynel@loa.com

>

>









==========

Subject: Bioplenas/Spolgaric processing

From: Kerry McGowan <dwarrior@agt.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 14:57:32 -0800

--------

I am seeking more information on this herbal extraction process. We have 

recieved some samples of echinacea using the method and would like to 

follow up woth some more research with the eventuality of purchasing the 

equipmenmt needed.Assuming I can find it somewhere.





==========

Subject: Comfrey Seeds

From: "Doug Norval" <dnorval@which.co.za>

Date: 17 Mar 1998 23:41:35 GMT

--------

Hi There,



I live in South Africa and am looking for a source For Comfrey Seeds as

they don't seem to be commercially available here.



Any help would be appreciated.



Many thanks in advance



Doug Norval





==========

Subject: Argentian Pau d' Arco (Tahebubia impetigenosa)

From: "Lynden Ferris" <healthyholidays@labyrinth.net.au>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:57:27 +1100

--------

Does anybody know where I can get some inner bark of Pau d' Arco or how I

can import any into Australia from Argentia.  If anybody can get into

contact with me I would very much appreciate it



Regards



Lynden









==========

Subject: how do you harvest Hoarhound?

From: "John Fink" <jfink@jps.net>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:17:12 -0800

--------

Does it need to flower first or what I have a ton of it in my yard and need

to know how to harvest it  .



John in Rough & Ready, CA.









==========

Subject: Re: how do you harvest Hoarhound?

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 11:55:22 GMT

--------

>Does it need to flower first or what I have a ton of it in my yard and need

>to know how to harvest it  .



I harvest the leaves in the spring.  I stuff them in a jar and cover

with Vodka.  Set in pantry for 4 to 6 weeks and drain off (and keep)

the liquid.  A dropperful in a small amount of juice is the best

remedy for a sore throat I've ever used.

Hope that helped!!

bella

-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





==========

Subject: Re: how do you harvest Hoarhound?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 18 Mar 1998 05:03:00 -0700

--------

"John Fink" <jfink@jps.net> wrote:



>Does it need to flower first?

  My Materia Medica says the useful part is the "dried leaves and

flowering tops".  That usually means harvest when the flower buds

are just beginning to open by cutting the stem about half-way

down.  Buds and the small still-growing leaves usually have more

of the active ingredients.

  It's a fuzzy plant - harder to dry than thin-leaved smppth

ones.  Make sure yo have a VERY airy dry  place to hang them and

keep them well-separated while they are drying or they will mold.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: how do you harvest Hoarhound?

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:07:31 -0800

--------

John Fink wrote:

> 

> Does it need to flower first or what I have a ton of it in my yard and need

> to know how to harvest it  .

> 

> John in Rough & Ready, CA.



I believe that herbs like that you are to harvest before it flowers.  I

also have a ton of it in the yard but do not seem to find the time to

harvest it.  I really like the candy made from the plant.



J9





==========

To: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Subject: Re: how do you harvest Hoarhound?

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:31:07 -0500

--------

I have read it is best to harvest horehound when it is green and 

vibrant, just as it is about to bloom.



Rosemarie





==========

Subject: Re: how do you harvest Hoarhound?

From: HealthyU@cwo.no.spam.com (Janine)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:18:16 GMT

--------

On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 21:17:12 -0800, "John Fink" <jfink@jps.net> wrote:



Well John, when you find out when, then you can harvest it and sell it

as wildcrafted AND organic.  [it's spelled horehound]

I'm in Sacramento. <g>



Janine



>Does it need to flower first or what I have a ton of it in my yard and need

>to know how to harvest it  .

>

>John in Rough & Ready, CA.

>

>







==========

Subject: Echinacea

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:23:10 -0800

--------

My brother was given some Echinacea plants and has asked me to gather

information on how to grow, harvest, and use the plants.  I have sent

all the information I have.  If anyone else has any information for him

it would be greatly appreciated.  My information has to do with the

southwest but he is in the St. Louis area.



He is now online so everything can be sent to him at ryan@intense.net



Thanks

Janine





==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: "Ewa " <evakoz@erols.com>

Date: 18 Mar 1998 23:06:48 GMT

--------

Flowering time:	June to October.

Echinacea extracts taken orally can help increase production of infection

fighting cells and boost their effectiveness. It helps to ward off common

colds and get over them faster. In conjunction with antibiotic treatment,

it may also help prevent the recurrence of respiratory and urinary tract

infections. The usual dose is 15 to 30 drops of alcohol-based extract two

to five times daily. 

Tea made fom echinacea and capsules containing powdered echinacea root are

not recommended, since some of the active ingredients are not water

soluble.

I hope this information will help your brother.

-- 

Imagine feeling and looking better with the aid of nature's remedies!



We have a large selection of imported herbal remedies and all-natural

cosmetics that will make you feel better. 



Visit us at:            http://www.polstore.com

or mailto:              evakoz@polstore.com



Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote in article

<350F684E.B2EC682A@home.com>...

> My brother was given some Echinacea plants and has asked me to gather

> information on how to grow, harvest, and use the plants.  I have sent

> all the information I have.  If anyone else has any information for him

> it would be greatly appreciated.  My information has to do with the

> southwest but he is in the St. Louis area.

> 

> He is now online so everything can be sent to him at ryan@intense.net

> 

> Thanks

> Janine

> 





==========

Subject: Question on Uses og Thyme

From: Taisir Hasan <Taisir@eams.fundea.es>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 13:17:51 +0100

--------

Hello all.

Would anybody tell me what "Thyme" is used for other than flavoring food

in cooking. Is there any health benefits/damages (does it affect blood

pressure) for using Thyme as a herbal tea? What part of the plant is

used, the leaves or the whole thing?

Thanks









==========

Subject: Re: Question on Uses og Thyme

From: "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 20:02:48 GMT

--------



Taisir Hasan wrote in message <350FBB6A.D4AE4223@eams.fundea.es>...

>Hello all.

>Would anybody tell me what "Thyme" is used for other than flavoring food

>in cooking. Is there any health benefits/damages (does it affect blood

>pressure) for using Thyme as a herbal tea? What part of the plant is

>used, the leaves or the whole thing?

>Thanks





I use thyme a lot; it's not particularly strong, but good for a variety of

minor ailments. As far as I know, there are no objectionable or dangerous

side effects; I'd appreciate correction here if anyone has such information!

A couple of drops of oil in the bath or a single drop (it's a

strong-smelling stuff!) rubbed on the temples works like lavender, easing

aches and pains.



The tea - made from dried or fresh leaves - is a good sub for chamomile,

both as a nervine and as a digestive relaxant and antispasmodic.  I find

that thyme-chamomile or thyme-rosehip knocks out mild flare-ups of

stress-induced IBS, but doesn't do much for flare-ups induced by overly rich

foods.



It's somewhat helpful in sore throat, and the preventative/curative sore

throat remedy I keep in the house all winter and take a drink or two from

each day is modified from Dian Buchman's book: make one cup of strong thyme

tea, dissolve 2 tsp. cayenne and 1/2 Tbsp. salt in the tea; mix with 1 cup

apple cider vinegar, and let cool.  Bottle and store in a cool place; drink

as needed.  I've heard it said that this mixture tastes horrible, unless

you're right on the verge of being sick (ie. right when you need it!) when

it tastes very refreshing; but I've only had a "blech!" reaction once, just

before an awful flu involving lots of nausea.



A cup of thyme tea before bed after a party helps to prevent the weird

dreams that some people get after too much booze, and helps ease/prevent the

forthcoming hangover.



Hope that helps!  :)



Beth









==========

Subject: Re: Question on Uses og Thyme

From: "Ewa " <evakoz@erols.com>

Date: 18 Mar 1998 22:49:16 GMT

--------

Tea made from thyme leaves is a treatment for stomach upsets, colds, cough,

chest congestion, and menstrual cramps. Drink no more than 3 cups a day.

Thyme tea is generally safe.

Thyme oil is sometimes recommended as a chest rub, as an ointment for skin

irritations and insect bites.Oil can cause irritation of the skin and mucus

membranes and couls cause uterine contractions in pregnant women. Taken

internally, even a few spoonfuls could be toxic. 

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Taisir Hasan <Taisir@eams.fundea.es> wrote in article

<350FBB6A.D4AE4223@eams.fundea.es>...

> Hello all.

> Would anybody tell me what "Thyme" is used for other than flavoring food

> in cooking. Is there any health benefits/damages (does it affect blood

> pressure) for using Thyme as a herbal tea? What part of the plant is

> used, the leaves or the whole thing?

> Thanks

> 

> 

> 





==========

To: Taisir Hasan <Taisir@eams.fundea.es>

Subject: Re: Question on Uses og Thyme

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:10:02 -0500

--------

Thyme has antiseptic, antispasmodic and expectorant properties and has 

been taken as a tonic, a carminative and antiparasitic.



It can be used as an antiseptic mouth wash and gargle for sore throat. 

It is useful for coughs especially dry coughs, and it is widely used 

to help bring up phlem.



German studies show thyme is relaxing to the respiratory tract. This 

herb contains two chemicals, thymol and carvacal, both of which 

possess preservative, antibacterial and antifungal properties making 

thyme useful for fighting bacterial and fungal infections. Grind thyme 

into a powder and mix with a bit of clay. dust over athletes foot, 

jock itch and vaginal yeast overgrowth.



Combined with lavender, it will protect linens from insects.



The leaves and flowere are usually used although if harvested when at 

peak of bloom, tender stems can be used also.



Rosemarie





==========

Subject: wild yam

From: Carla James <carjam@bulloch.com>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:45:45 -0400

--------

I am looking for experienced users of wild yam as a fertility

enhancement. Please contact me directly also...I have questions

specifically about using wild yam and its affects on basal body

temperature. Thanks.







==========

Subject: A couple of Questions.

From: Krista Michelle Park <z44kmp@morgan.ucs.mun.ca>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 15:25:40 -0330

--------



1)I am looking for something to lower blood pressure. A friend of mine has

recently started taking Bee's Pollen tablets. Are they effective? Is there

anything else?  



2)Also, I am new to natural medicine and I would love to pick up a good

informative book. Could anyone suggest one for a beginner.



3)I am a student and I would really like to find something to help me slow

down and concentrate when I need to. However I don't want to be going at

1/2 speed all day. Any recommendations?



Thanks



Kris







==========

Subject: Sarcodosis

From: Golfer <Etireugram@.wannabe.worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:40:24 -0600

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Does anyone have any natural remedies for Sarcodosis of the liver?  



MAE aka Golfer	| Please remove .wannabe. from my addy to reply. :)

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Subject: Re: Sarcodosis

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 04:02:10 GMT

--------

On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Golfer <Etireugram@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>Does anyone have any natural remedies for Sarcodosis of the liver?  



Here is something that a friend wrote. He suggested looking into Medline

for more. I did. I found 32 citations connecting celiac disease and

sarcoidosis! (And this was more than a year ago.) If one has both, then

controlling the celiac disease may help controlling the sarcoidosis. I can

e-mail the 32 citations and some abstracts if you're interested.



From: Ron Hoggan <hogganr@cadvision.com>

Date: Mon, 02 Sep 1996 17:24:19 -0700 (MST)

Subject: Re: sarcoidosis



Sarcoidosis has repeatedly been associated with celiac disease. Some

researchers seem to view it as a condition which results from untreated  

celiac disease, while others see it as coincident with celiac disease.

Here are a couple of references you might want to look at:



1. Douglas, et. al. "Sarcoidosis and Coeliac Disease: An Association?" 

_Lancet_ 1984; July 7:13-15



2. Karlish "Coeliac Disease and Diffuse Lung Disease" _Lancet_ 1971; May 

22: 1077



A medline search might reveal more information to you, and I would suggest

that you satisfy yourself of the connection.



In #1, it says, in part: "These cases suggest there may be an association

between coeliac disease and sarcoidosis, but formal studies of small bowel

function in sarcoidosis are needed to confirm this. It is important to 

recognise that these two conditions can occur together and that unexplained

weight loss in a patient with sarcoidosis may be caused by coeliac

disease."



You might consider suggesting that your friend get a full panel of blood 

tests for celiac disease, as it is usually a very treatable condition. And

I have been pleasantly surprised by the resolution of other, apparently

unrelated health problems, that have cleared up on the diet since I was

diagnosed. I hope she is similarly surprised.  





Best Wishes,

Ron Hoggan

http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/



========================================



For more information on gluten intolerance this page points to all Net

resources:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.







==========

Subject: 5-htp

From: "tucson" <tucson@phoenix.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 02:50:04 GMT

--------

has anyone tried 5-htp, griffonia simplicifolia, for the treatment of

depression.  i would be interested in hearing the results.



tucson





==========

Subject: herbs for animal health

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 19 Mar 1998 05:23:53 GMT

--------

Hi



I was wondering if anyone has any information about herbs for pets, my dog

is ill with cancer and I would like to look into alternatives..



Thanks so much for any information



Much appreciated



Stacey





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:37:15 GMT

--------

On 20 Mar 98 06:41:03 GMT, "Turnip" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com> wrote:



>Herbs to cure/suppress cancer?  Your poor pet needs the services of a

>professional as you know.  You will lose time and $$$ on herbs. 



You really should do your research on herbs Carol.  My dalmation has

liver problems and I almost lost her a couple of years ago.  Yes, I

did take her to a vet and they said there was nothing else they could

do.  

I did a lot of research on liver problems and she is now on a strict

diet and given marshmallow root and vitamins to keep her liver

detoxified.  We've experienced no more problems and the vet credits my

diligence with these herbal doses!!

I don't honestly understand why people like you feel it's necessary to

come into a ng and put down how other people choose to heal

themselves, unless you like the negative attention you receive.  

bright blessings

bella



-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:36:33 GMT

--------

In article <01bd5384$8c77eca0$4cbd1acb@aljan.aljan.com.au>, "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Hi

>

>I was wondering if anyone has any information about herbs for pets, my dog

>is ill with cancer and I would like to look into alternatives..

>

>Thanks so much for any information

>

>Much appreciated

>

>Stacey



Stacey,



You need to find a vet with an open-mind and alternative/homeopathic 

knowledge. Try this web site: http://www.altvetmed.com/  Let me know if 

you have any trouble accessing that site. Also, your library and 

bookstore should carry at least some books on animal health care that 

will include alternative treatments. Dr. Pitcairn is one name you should 

look for, sorry I don't have a title for you. Good luck to you and your 

pal.



C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: vocal <vocal@mint.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:54:29 -0500

--------

Are you people actually suggesting there is an herbal remedy for cancer? Would you please tell me

what it is.

Thank you. Peace, Kim







==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: Jen <guerra@webspan.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:06:15 -0800

--------

Stacey wrote:



> Hi

>

> I was wondering if anyone has any information about herbs for pets, my dog

> is ill with cancer and I would like to look into alternatives..

>

> Thanks so much for any information

>

> Much appreciated

>

> Stacey



 Stacey,



First, I want to send you my heartfelt sorrow over this news.



I see you've gotten two responses already. One totally for tradition vet

treatment and one not.



I would rather treat my pet with herbal remedies but YOU might consider a

halfway thing. Maybe try the traditional approach and use herbs to help your

dog rebound from the effects of the chemotherapy (if that's what they need to

do).



I don't know of any advice to give you. I would suggest trying the various pet

newsgroups and asking there. And if you still can't find any advice, I'd try

very low doses of the herbs used to treat humans??



I wish I could be of more help! Good luck and I hope your dog pulls through

ok.



--

Jen :)



PS: Lots of  love will also help in healing your dog! :-)



******************************************

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http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen's Walk on the Web

http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

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Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: "Susan" <mkkitty@eznet.net>

Date: 20 Mar 98 21:50:13 GMT

--------

You might want to go to the misc.health.alternatives newsgroup.  There is a

vet there that believe in using natural cures & remedies when possible.



Susan



Jen <guerra@webspan.net> wrote in article

<3512DA47.AC484DB4@webspan.net>...

> Stacey wrote:

> 

> > Hi

> >

> > I was wondering if anyone has any information about herbs for pets, my

dog

> > is ill with cancer and I would like to look into alternatives..

> >

> > Thanks so much for any information

> >

> > Much appreciated

> >

> > Stacey

> 







==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 21 Mar 1998 14:24:41 GMT

--------





Hi



Thanks everyone for responding..perhaps i should have explained my

situation a little more clearly.....



My dog had the tumours discovered last friday, on Monday she went for

x-rays, tuesday she had a large tumour removed along with her spleen.

Whilst my dog was on the operating table my vet called me and told me that

he could remove the spleen and large tumour no problem, but there were some

small tumours on her liver, he asked me what i wanted to do....I chose to

fight it..



So my goal is to get her liver strong, her overall health strong to ready

her for chemotherapy..



I have modified her diet somewhat, more carbohydrates (pasta and rice) more

vegetables.and less meats and fats...



I am also adding some herbs to her water along with some honey...she loves

it....



It's been only 4 days since the operation and already she is much

healthier, I'm feeling very confident...even tho I know I shouldnt get my

hopes up too much....



At the moment I am using garlic, echinacea, lemon and lime, brewers yeast

and wheatgerm and vegemite..my main concern with herbs was that I didn't

know which ones were suitable for animals....I did read somewhere that

garlic was bad for them, so Ive been fairly light with that.....I still

need to get myself some more herbs, and thanks to these message boards I've

found out a lot of information ..I'd like to thank everyone who has

responded, here and in email....



Will keep you updated :)



Stacey











==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: pathwr@huntleighhealth.com (Eileen Smith)

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 05:47:07 GMT

--------

On 21 Mar 1998 14:24:41 GMT, "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:



>

>



>At the moment I am using garlic, echinacea, lemon and lime, brewers yeast

>and wheatgerm and vegemite..my main concern with herbs was that I didn't

>know which ones were suitable for animals....I did read somewhere that

>garlic was bad for them, so Ive been fairly light with that.....I still

>need to get myself some more herbs, and thanks to these message boards I've

>found out a lot of information ..I'd like to thank everyone who has

>responded, here and in email....

>

>Will keep you updated :)

>

>Stacey

>

>

>

Actually, Stacey, garlic is wonderful for animals.



Eileen





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: "Doug Norval" <dnorval@which.co.za>

Date: 23 Mar 1998 11:55:50 GMT

--------

> >...I did read somewhere that garlic was bad for them, so Ive been fairly

light with > >   that.....



> Actually, Stacey, garlic is wonderful for animals.

> 



I add garlic and parsley to all my dogs food, and since I started doing

this I have had much less of a problem with ticks and fleas (the parsley is

for their breath).



Also I have had success in treating sick chickens (flu like virus) with

borage and comfrey and also open wounds with a herb poultice.



I have a dog (English Bull Terrier) that every-so-often decides that it

needs some greenary and eats a complete Borage plant, doesn't seem to do it

any harm.  All of my dogs seem to nibble at the Mint as well.



regards



Doug





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: "Doug Norval" <dnorval@which.co.za>

Date: 26 Mar 1998 00:52:36 GMT

--------

Hi Stacy,



A little clarification on the Parsley for Bad Breath.  If the dog just has

bad breath because of something it ate etc, then the Parsley (on our dogs)

works quite well, but if the dog has a Liver or Kidney complaint then it

kind of masks the odour for a short term only but of course the real

problem needs to be treated.



Our dogs are all fed food with herbs such as when the wife cooks up mince

or chicken gizzmos we add all sorts of bits and pieces in.



I have basically been experimenting with herbs for medicinal purposes on

both the family and the pets.  So far I have found that most of the "Human"

medicinal herbs seem to do much the same work in animals.



WARNING :  WARNING 



Always use small quantities of one herb at a time when "trying it out" and

discontinue use immediately if any reactions are seen.  Also if sysmtoms

persist or get worse SEE A VET.



> I always use comfrey myself..its pretty good stuff, I've been meaning to

> buy a plant!



There are lots of horror stories about comfrey and although they mostly

seem to be from serious overdoses, there must be some truth it it so be

careful when using it.









==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 26 Mar 1998 14:42:33 GMT

--------

Hi Doug



Well here's the update...



Ive been searching endlessly on the net about herbs for animals, I couldnt

find anything that said that any are bad for them, tho I found something

that onions can be toxic in large amounts...One herbalist said to use

stronger and larger quantities of herbs because dogs digest their food a

lot faster than we do....



So here are the herbs I'm giving my dog per day....



In her water I put : a squeeze of lemon, a dollop of honey, a squeeze of

lime, a few drops of echinacea, a sliver of garlic, and some burdock root

tea....she doesnt mind this brew and laps it up greedily....



I have also made her a milkshake, with no lactose milk of course, I put in

some chopped up cantaloupe (high in vit A), a tablespoon of wheatgerm, a

teaspoon of brewers yeast, a teaspoon of slippery elm bark powder, and some

honey, I blend this all up and she just loves it...I've only been doing

this milkshake a couple of days and she seems to not have any adverse

reaction to it...



For food, lots of pasta and rice, some vegetables...(she seems to prefer

pumpkin), and some low fat meats, and some fish as well, I also found some

good healthy dog food biscuits that she likes too.....she seems to like hot

chilli's with pork and rice (is this weird?)



I'm not sure if I'm doing this all right, or if I'm getting the right mix

of herbs, but she seems to like it, and is doing well...There are still a

few other herbs I'd like to get, but my money is running low, and I'm

spending a fortune on her at the moment..this little dog has cost me near

$600 in the last couple of weeks..hehe...In the meantime I am sampling

these things myself, the milkshake is delicious haha....and the burdock tea

is quite nice too.....So hopefully I will get healthier as well....Btw..the

cat doesnt mind this stuff too..I've noticed her stealing a bit..hehe



So tell me what you think...any feedback is welcome....and I shall keep you

updated...





Stacey....







Doug Norval <dnorval@which.co.za> wrote in article

<01bd582a$94ed6ae0$aa3519c4@douglas>...

> Hi Stacy,

> 

> A little clarification on the Parsley for Bad Breath.  If the dog just

has

> bad breath because of something it ate etc, then the Parsley (on our

dogs)

> works quite well, but if the dog has a Liver or Kidney complaint then it

> kind of masks the odour for a short term only but of course the real

> problem needs to be treated.

> 

> Our dogs are all fed food with herbs such as when the wife cooks up mince

> or chicken gizzmos we add all sorts of bits and pieces in.

> 

> I have basically been experimenting with herbs for medicinal purposes on

> both the family and the pets.  So far I have found that most of the

"Human"

> medicinal herbs seem to do much the same work in animals.

> 







==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: dnorval@which.co.za

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:38:37 -0600

--------

Hi Stacey,



The trick, I suppose is to grow some of the herbs yourself, which is what I'm

doing.



Quite a few of them do well in pots and also indoors if the get a bit of real

sunlight.



I'm lucky enough to live on 5 acres just outside Johannesburg in South Africa

and have plenty of space to tinker about in.  I start most of the herbs in

small pots or seedling trays and then transplant them to various parts of the

gardens.



I have a herb garden in the chicken run and have started putting the seedlings

around the fruit trees and in and around the veggi garden etc, sort of

companion planting.



I have aquaintences that live in a flat and grow herbs on their veranda/porch.



Most of the herbs that I have planted or tried seem to have wanted to grow,

and apart from a little bit of TLC as they sprout, just seem to get on with

the business of growing.



Most of my dogs seemed to come down with Billary (Tick Bite Fever)regularly

until we started with the herb treatments, we haven't had a case since.



Be careful not to feed them to much of the carbohydrate without exercising

them as they tend to put on weight quite quickly.  I feed puppies our

traditional "Mielie Pap", it's made of maize (read Corn) meal and is one of

the staple foods of our indeginous population.  This adds weight quite

dramatically.





regards



Doug



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Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: kim birney <halfabee@pacbell.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:54:07 -0800

--------

> Actually, Stacey, garlic is wonderful for animals.



True, and too much can cause anemia (onions too.)





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: kim birney <halfabee@pacbell.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 10:52:04 -0800

--------

Look into essiac. Do a search. It has helped animals also.

> 

> I have modified her diet somewhat, more carbohydrates (pasta and rice) more

> vegetables.and less meats and fats...



This is the opposite of an anti-cancer diet for dogs. It

should be less or no carbs, more meat and vegtables.

> 

> I am also adding some herbs to her water along with some honey...she loves

> it....



No honey. (carbs fed cancer cells)



Good luck to you and your dog.





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 27 Mar 1998 23:07:44 GMT

--------

what, no honey??...could you elaborate on that?



And why more meat, she certainly prefers meat..the veges are hard to get

her to it..she's like a child..lol



I did check out Essiac, but some of the herbs are unavailable here in

Australia..:)

Well from where I've looked anyway, nobody seems to have heard of it...When

i tell them i got it from the internet they just 'poo poo' it...*sigh*



Hey thanks for the input...



Stacey



kim birney <halfabee@pacbell.net> wrote in article

<351BF554.AA9C7D34@pacbell.net>...

> Look into essiac. Do a search. It has helped animals also.

> > 

> > I have modified her diet somewhat, more carbohydrates (pasta and rice)

more

> > vegetables.and less meats and fats...

> 

> This is the opposite of an anti-cancer diet for dogs. It

> should be less or no carbs, more meat and vegtables.

> > 

> > I am also adding some herbs to her water along with some honey...she

loves

> > it....

> 

> No honey. (carbs fed cancer cells)

> 

> Good luck to you and your dog.

> 





==========

To: Stacey <minew@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: kim birney <halfabee@pacbell.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:32:56 -0800

--------

Hi Stacey,



That info was based on things I've read, including an

article in "Natural Pet" magazine. I can't find it right

now, but if you send me your address I will happily copy it

and send it to you. Also, I have some stuff saved on my hard

drive (lengthy.) Let me know and I'll email you that.



> what, no honey??...could you elaborate on that?

> 

> And why more meat, she certainly prefers meat..the veges are hard to get

> her to it..she's like a child..lol



Grind them up in a blender and mix them with the meat.

 

> I did check out Essiac, but some of the herbs are unavailable here in

> Australia..:)

> Well from where I've looked anyway, nobody seems to have heard of it.



I'm pretty sure they are available from Richter's:



http://www.richters.com



You would have to make it yourself. It's not hard to do.

Here are the directions:



http://www.znet.com/~oct31/essiac/formula.shtml



kim





==========

Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: "Doug Norval" <dnorval@which.co.za>

Date: 30 Mar 1998 16:32:55 GMT

--------

Hi Stacey,



My Bull Terrier cleaned out my Rosemary this morning. No ill effects yet.



regards



Doug







==========

Subject: Mandrake Root

From: HQQQ85A@prodigy.com (Amber Dragon)

Date: 19 Mar 1998 07:43:44 GMT

--------

Hi, I was wondering if anyone could tell

me where I could get some mandrake root.

Well, I know where I can get some, but its chopped

I just  can't get the whole root.  Is there anyone who knows

where I could get a hold of some?  If not is there anyway

I could plant some and grow my own?

Thanks and Blessings,

-Ariadne







==========

Subject: Re: Mandrake Root

From: moron345@aol.com (Moron345)

Date: 19 Mar 1998 14:22:21 GMT

--------

MM,

     I believe PotO (Procuror of the Obscure) sells whole mandrake root.  You

can e-mail them at www.poto.com for a catalog or just to ask.





==========

Subject: Re: Mandrake Root

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 19 Mar 1998 16:20:45 GMT

--------

I've been having the same problem. 



I'd like to grow the plant but so far I have been unable to obtain actual

European Mandrake plants...everyone wants to sell me May Apple.  I did find the

seeds for sale at http://www.richters.com  they're 10.00 a pack and are hard to

germinated.  They must be stratified first for at least two-three months.



I'm still having a hard time growing mine but I'm not ready to give up just

yet.



Good luck.

Beth

The Truth is Out There....somewhere...isn't it?





==========

Subject: Re: What's A Good Herbal Web Site?

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 19 Mar 1998 12:00:53 GMT

--------

Hi Max----- I found this site perusing the web and it is nice.

          http://www.wildroots.com/

lots of good info and links to other areas. Have fun,Marianne





==========

Subject: Re: What's A Good Herbal Web Site?

From: Deb Skinner <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:12:30 GMT

--------

> "Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com> wrote:

> >Any suggestions on a good herbal web site??

>

> >Thanks.

>

> >--=20

> >- Max

> >maxwood@mindspring.com

>

>



 my two favorites:  http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

                             http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



Deb



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Subject: Re: What's A Good Herbal Web Site?

From: Onnea Hast <onnea29@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:45:57 +0200

--------





Peter L. Shihadeh wrote:



> "Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com> wrote:

> >Any suggestions on a good herbal web site??

>

> >Thanks.

>

> >--=20

> >- Max

> >maxwood@mindspring.com

> Dear Max,



Well, http://www.herbnet.com is another OK one.







==========

Subject: EMTs as Purveyors of Medical Advice

From: zambonis_mom@yahoo.com (Zamboni's Mom)

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 12:04:51 GMT

--------

Carol,



I read this group occasionally... notice you have a few posts in here

of late, all debunking herbal and other natural therapies.



I notice that YOU aren't a doctor either.  



Sorry, but your EMT credential doesn't impress me.  I applaud EMTs for

the good work they do in medical crisis situations.  Many people owe

their lives to swift action taken by an EMT.  But I wouldn't ask an

EMT for day-to-day health care advice.



Sure, there are a bunch of snake-oil purveyors in the holistic health

care world.  But you know, there as just as many MDs that salivate as

soon as they see a comprehensive health care plan, running unnecessary

tests, making spurious diagnoses, and putting people through needless

agony.  Snake oil is snake oil, no matter how many degrees and

licenses the purveyor may have.



A couple of weeks ago, a friend of mine found a lump in her throat and

was advised by her MD she needed a biopsy.   As a mother of two very

young children, you can imagine the sleepless nights she went through.

Went for a second opinion to find out she had a swollen.... TONSIL.

What kind of doctor can't even recognize a freaking *tonsil*?!?!  (The

kind that sees a fat, juicy health insurance plan coming, I suspect.)



Agreed, there can be danger in herbal medicines, when they are

misused.  People can have bad reactions to herbal medicine, too, since

every body is different.  But need I go into the Fen-Phen story... the

Thalidomide story... and many more?  



The medical profession has tried for years to stop herbal and vitamin

therapies from being readily available.  I don't often agree with

Orrin Hatch, but he has been a stalwart supporter of the nutritional

therapy business.



I have realized measurable and real results from using herbs and

vitamins for certain kinds of therapy.  I thank God for St. John's

Wort, otherwise I'd still be dealing with the anxiety I have known my

entire life, or the side effects of Prozac or some such other drug.



Carol, stick to what you know.  Your EMT certification, and the

ability to stabilize a heart attack victim, recipient of a gunshot

wound, or person with injuries sustained in an auto wreck, are

valuable and necessary to our society.  Don't think for a minute that

I don't respect that knowledge and ability.   But that doesn't make

you a health care expert.



Oh, yes, and don't underestimate the ability of those who read this NG

to discern worthless SPAM, touting bullshit "remedies" and spouting

bullshit "testimonies".  Those of us into nutritional and herbal

therapy have Bullshit Detectors that are well-developed.



Zamboni's Mom

Friend to Goats



PS, if you're really sincere about wanting to *help* people in this

NG, why not post your *real* email address at hotcom.net, instead of

posting your one-liners under various "noms du net"?  



***********************************

" = Night Owl =" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com> wrote:



>All your clients?  Are you a Dr?  If not then you are practicing medicine

>without a licence by selling Herbs for specific health problems.  If they

>get sicker from lack of real medical care, or have an adverse reaction to

>one of your herbs will you be THERE for them financially?  No? I thought

>not.  Herb purveyors come and go faster then drunks at a bar.

>-- 

>Carol..... Cert. E.M.T.N.Y., V.S.A

>~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*

>

>

>Here is my comment on this subject.....not intended to offend anyone at

>all. Just my lowly opinion.

>

> I support all of my clients in whatever they choose to do. It is their

>lives, their bodies, their health, their decision. I can be encouraging and

>supportive without being nasty.

>

>Kay

> 

>  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

>              or

>  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade

>

>

>

>

>----------

>







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Subject: Re: EMTs as Purveyors of Medical Advice

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:07:57 -0600

--------

Carol,

I have been in Nursing for 11 years. I have 5 years in the Alternative Health field, and am working towards my doctor. I never claimed to be a doctor in my posts. I do have many clients, and I did mention my clients. You also conveniently snipped other things I had said. 

"Real" medical care? Didn't I also say in my post that the person needed to educate themselves, then make their decision regarding their health and their bodies? I counsel people and then go the whole way with them--no matter what type of treatment they choose to do. I am for conventional and alternative working together, complementing and enhancing each other.

I am not "practicing medicine without a license". I am trained in the products I have and have extensive knowledge in them and their use. It is not an MLM company--ONLY professionals are allowed to have the product. They are guaranteed and money is refunded--but that hasn't ever happened to me. I personally make no money on my products. My business is used as a Christian Ministry Outreach. 

I don't know why you are so angry, or what your problem is. I'm good at what I do, and am very skilled on BOTH sides of the track. I have two doctors with Ph.Ds working over me, too. I don't think your anger is justified.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Zamboni's Mom wrote in message <35110599.3184540@news-reader.wcg.net>...

>>All your clients?  Are you a Dr?  If not then you are practicing medicine

>>without a licence by selling Herbs for specific health problems.  If they

>>get sicker from lack of real medical care, or have an adverse reaction to

>>one of your herbs will you be THERE for them financially?  No? I thought

>>not.  Herb purveyors come and go faster then drunks at a bar.

>>-- 

>>Carol..... Cert. E.M.T.N.Y., V.S.A









==========

Subject: Re: EMTs as Purveyors of Medical Advice

From: Deb Skinner <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:05:53 GMT

--------





~ Garlic ~ wrote:



> > Carol,

> >

> > I read this group occasionally... notice you have a few posts in here

> > of late, all debunking herbal and other natural therapies.

>

> ****Only when diagnosed over a computer by an MLM hamburger flipper.

>



Now, now, now, we have no way of knowing what anyone is doing in their

'non-cyberlife'.  And all those who are trying to push their cures aren't in a

MLM.





> >

> > I notice that YOU aren't a doctor either.

>

> ***Right.  And I'm ALSO not selling anything nor diagnosing anything.

> >

> > Sorry, but your EMT credential doesn't impress me.  I applaud EMTs for

> > the good work they do in medical crisis situations.  Many people owe

> > their lives to swift action taken by an EMT.  But I wouldn't ask an

> > EMT for day-to-day health care advice.

>

> ****Nor do the credentials of the MLM herb sellers impress me.  I'M NOT THE

> ONE DIAGNOSING invisible parasites and selling a cure or treatment either

> am I?  Does the floor sweeper turned Herb seller have the KNOWLEDGE to give

> for day-to-day life?

>







Carol has a valid point here, and I think it is time for many participants of

this group to remember that practicing medicine without a license is illegal in

the US of A.  As a discussion group it is perfectly fine to recount my personal

experience, but if I were to try to recommend a particular herb for you, that

could be construed as practicing medicine.



IMO the art of diagnosis is extremely important.  To try to diagnose anyone's

problems from a few lines typed in a ng is ludicrous.  Anyone attempting to do

so is more apt to stroke their own ego than help someone else.



It has been my experience that this is a good chance to really learn the 'buyer

beware' lesson. >



> > Sure, there are a bunch of snake-oil purveyors in the holistic health

> > care world.  But you know, there as just as many MDs that salivate as

> > soon as they see a comprehensive health care plan, running unnecessary

> > tests, making spurious diagnoses, and putting people through needless

> > agony.  Snake oil is snake oil, no matter how many degrees and

> > licenses the purveyor may have.

>

> ****I'm no great Dr. lover either.  I know the depths of their GREED.  I

> worked around them long enough.  But not all are bad!  That's generalizing

> unfairly.



As is assuming that all posters here are uneducated or MLM salespeople.





> >

> > A couple of weeks ago, a friend of mine found a lump in her throat and

> > was advised by her MD she needed a biopsy.   As a mother of two very

> > young children, you can imagine the sleepless nights she went through.

> > Went for a second opinion to find out she had a swollen.... TONSIL.

> > What kind of doctor can't even recognize a freaking *tonsil*?!?!  (The

> > kind that sees a fat, juicy health insurance plan coming, I suspect.)

>

> ****That's quite possible.  They wanted to operate on my feet

> unnecessarily.  My feet are fine now with some simple exercises I heard

> about - but feet wont kill you if they hurt.

>



We could ask my diabetic friend about that, but they had to cut his off.

ymmv





> >

> > Agreed, there can be danger in herbal medicines, when they are

> > misused.  People can have bad reactions to herbal medicine, too, since

> > every body is different.  But need I go into the Fen-Phen story... the

> > Thalidomide story... and many more?

>

> ****Sure there are more stories out there.  Some Drugs are awful but so is

> the active ingredient in some herbs.  There seems to be no standard for

> herbs - you pay your money and you takes your chances...as they used to

> say.

>



All the more reason to study and research the herbs before I start to use

them.  And then, if I am going to be my own guinea pig, I have the

responsibility to myself to carefully note any and all reactions.  In my mind,

that is a bit different from trusting a md with their years of education and

experience to prescribe for me.  From my past experiences, I know that I am

better off by doing my own research.  After all, it is my body and I have to

live with the choices I make.





> >

> > The medical profession has tried for years to stop herbal and vitamin

> > therapies from being readily available.  I don't often agree with

> > Orrin Hatch, but he has been a stalwart supporter of the nutritional

> > therapy business.

>

> ***I believe in good nutrition by eating healthy foods, not popping pills

> and eating junk food.

>



There are valid arguments regarding the nutritional level of  our food supply.

Given the depleted state of some soils & the amount of pesticides and

herbicides that are used, it is not always possible to get all our nutrition

from the foods we eat.





> >

> > I have realized measurable and real results from using herbs and

> > vitamins for certain kinds of therapy.  I thank God for St. John's

> > Wort, otherwise I'd still be dealing with the anxiety I have known my

> > entire life, or the side effects of Prozac or some such other drug.

>

> ****Why not attack and deal with the anxiety?  The Drugs or herbs can't do

> that - only you can do that.  A change of lifestyle perhaps?

> >



Carol, that is easy to say, I know as I often catch myself with the same

attitude. When we are ill, there is an imbalance in our system that needs to be

addressed.  We also need to realize that some people have chemical imbalances

that need to be adjusted in order for them to live a 'normal' life.  Best to

walk a mile in my burkies before you can know how I approach life.  ;>





> > Carol, stick to what you know.  Your EMT certification, and the

> > ability to stabilize a heart attack victim, recipient of a gunshot

> > wound, or person with injuries sustained in an auto wreck, are

> > valuable and necessary to our society.  Don't think for a minute that

> > I don't respect that knowledge and ability.   But that doesn't make

> > you a health care expert.

>

> ****I'm not a Health-Care expert but do have a background in health care

> besides being an EMT and have worked in other areas of health care.  Who

> here is an expert and can give advice and also diagnose over the computer?

> I KNOW I can't!  Also do you know the credentials of those who do (plus

> also sell Herbs-just another Drug actually) on there NG's?  How do you know

> they're for real?

>



Its worth saying again, buyer beware and do your own studying.



> >

> > Oh, yes, and don't underestimate the ability of those who read this NG

> > to discern worthless SPAM, touting bullshit "remedies" and spouting

> > bullshit "testimonies".  Those of us into nutritional and herbal

> > therapy have Bullshit Detectors that are well-developed.

>

> ****If everyone here had the "smarts" you think they have these Plant

> Pushers would not be spamming here.  No one would be buying their wares,..

> they'd leave and get real jobs.   This is the only NG I have ever been on

> that tolerates this SPAM.  Someone HERE is buying it.

>

>



And if so, that is their choice.  They will have to live with the results.  I

would rather put my trust in an md, than in an herbal salesperson on a

newsgroup, but I would much rather put my trust in myself.  This newsgroup can

be an invaluable aid in my studies.  Even though the information is anecdotal,

when I know how person X reacted to herb Y, then I can become more aware of

possible actions and  reactions.  The final decision to use the herb is mine

alone.



Deb



--

******

Deb's Endeavors

deb@mtjeff.com   or   debra@teleport.com  or   deb@spoonman.com

If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different set of challenges.









==========

Subject: Re: EMTs as Purveyors of Medical Advice

From: mpacord@concentric.net

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:32:16 -0800

--------

Deb Skinner wrote:

> 

> ~ Garlic ~ wrote:

>newsgroup can

> be an invaluable aid in my studies.  Even though the information is anecdotal,

> when I know how person X reacted to herb Y, then I can become more aware of

> possible actions and  reactions.  The final decision to use the herb is mine

> alone.

> 

> Deb

	As an MD who also practices some alternative techniques, I agree with

most of you.  Dispensing information should always be with the knowledge

that you only have a limited experience at your disposal,and your

experiences may be only a fraction of the truth, and skewed at that.

	There is no substitute for educating yourself and making your own

informed decisions.  In many cases, the doctor's knowledge is not as

good as that you can gain for YOU by really looking around before you

make a decision.  There is a great deal of good in "Western Scientific

Medicine," but other systems approach health differently, and are just a

s valid in their areas as is what is practiced in the West.

	A Sympathetic MD

(Michael P. Acord, AB, MA, MD)





==========

Subject: Re: EMTs as Purveyors of Medical Advice

From: HealthyU@no.spam.cwo.here.com (Janine)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:36:51 GMT

--------

On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 12:32:16 -0800, mpacord@concentric.net wrote:



> Deb

>	As an MD who also practices some alternative techniques, I agree with

>most of you.  Dispensing information should always be with the knowledge

>that you only have a limited experience at your disposal,and your

>experiences may be only a fraction of the truth, and skewed at that.

>	There is no substitute for educating yourself and making your own

>informed decisions.  In many cases, the doctor's knowledge is not as

>good as that you can gain for YOU by really looking around before you

>make a decision.  There is a great deal of good in "Western Scientific

>Medicine," but other systems approach health differently, and are just a

>s valid in their areas as is what is practiced in the West.

>	A Sympathetic MD

>(Michael P. Acord, AB, MA, MD)



AMEN!

There are many and various medicine methods available. That is why it

is now called. ALTERNATIVE medicine. Either one. Get educated. Read

all the books you can, talk to various people who have knowledge

greater than yourself. Learn, Learn, learn. If you don't know enough

about what grows in this world and you have serious need of an herb to

help you be healthy or get healthy [ier], then it is a sad state you

would be in.  

The FDA hates herbs because they cannot be regulated. Anyone can grow

herbs. They are almost impossible to tax. That is why they attack

herbs and related helps. 



Janine

http://www.cwo.com/~healthyu







==========

Subject: Help re:ear pressure

From: "Brad & Judi Snell" <snelly@bigpond.com.au>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:39:16 +0800

--------

I am suffering with my left ear blocking on a regular basis and am finding

it difficult to release the pressure. I will be flying in about 5 weeks and

am a bit concerned. Any suggestions? (I think I have excess mucus build up

that might be causing it, yet I eat very little dairy products).











==========

Subject: Re: Help re:ear pressure

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 20 Mar 1998 00:49:52 GMT

--------



Brad & Judi Snell wrote in message <35112297.0@139.134.5.33>...

>I am suffering with my left ear blocking on a regular basis and am finding

>it difficult to release the pressure. I will be flying in about 5 weeks and

>am a bit concerned. Any suggestions? (I think I have excess mucus build up

>that might be causing it, yet I eat very little dairy products).

>

>

Hi,



I hate to take decongestants, most especially on a regular basis since they

can actually make things worse, but once in a while when you know you have a

plugged up passage way that is preventing drainage, I would suggest you

might try taking ONE decongestant.   Not the long acting ones, just the four

hour variety, and take it in the morning when you know you will be up and

about to assist the drainage with nature, by your being up and about.



Then there is my favorite herbal remedy for this, which I would then begin

to take AFTER you got the passageway open.



10 to 15 drops of Astragalus tincture

  "        "      "          Echinacea   "

  "        "      "          Golden Seal  "

  "        "      "          Nettles            "



place in a glass with a little water and sip.   You can take this up to

three times a day depending on the situation.   Start smaller and see if it

helps then increase if needed.



Only take this till the symptoms let up, herbs don't work well if you take

them continuously.



Use some saline spray to wash away the dust, allergens, pollen etc. both AM

and PM from your nostrils.   This is where these infections tend to get

their foothold.



If none of this helps, you have a more serious infection that may require

antibiotics.   Go for it then.



Good Luck

Evelyn













==========

To: Brad & Judi Snell <snelly@bigpond.com.au>

Subject: Re: Help re:ear pressure

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:48:01 -0700

--------

My guess is that you're allergic to something you are eating or something

you're around. Figure out what it is.  Also, this is very hard to explain, but

if you pull your ear kind of back and away from the head, sort of a diagonal

from the head and hold it there for a while it can sometimes help relieve the

pressure in your inner ear.  You might ask a DC or a cranial/sacral therapist

to show you the technique.  I need to do it on occasion because of fluid build

up in the ear from food allergies.

Pam



Brad & Judi Snell wrote:



> I am suffering with my left ear blocking on a regular basis and am finding

> it difficult to release the pressure. I will be flying in about 5 weeks and

> am a bit concerned. Any suggestions? (I think I have excess mucus build up

> that might be causing it, yet I eat very little dairy products).







--

Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

Soap Making Instructions

http://soapcrafters.com









==========

Subject: Re: Help re:ear pressure

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:03:56 -0500

--------

Pam wrote:

> 

> My guess is that you're allergic to something you are eating or something

> you're around. Figure out what it is.  Also, this is very hard to explain, but

> if you pull your ear kind of back and away from the head, sort of a diagonal

> from the head and hold it there for a while it can sometimes help relieve the

> pressure in your inner ear.  You might ask a DC or a cranial/sacral therapist

> to show you the technique.  I need to do it on occasion because of fluid build

> up in the ear from food allergies.

> Pam

> 

> Brad & Judi Snell wrote:

> 

> > I am suffering with my left ear blocking on a regular basis and am finding

> > it difficult to release the pressure. I will be flying in about 5 weeks and

> > am a bit concerned. Any suggestions? (I think I have excess mucus build up

> > that might be causing it, yet I eat very little dairy products).

> 

> --

> Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

> Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

> Soap Making Instructions

> http://soapcrafters.com





Could also be the sinus congestion causing the block.  I also noticed

your mail tag, you are a soap maker!  LOVE IT!  Have you been around any

new scents, ingredients, flowers etc?  If so, altho you may not have

primarily an allergy to them, there may have been a recent episode

wherein you have come in contact with an "overdose' of something to your

system that didn't quite take kindly to it. This also can cause

blockages in the sinuses thus resulting in the "blockage" yoiu are

feeling. 

 Or it could just be a simple matter of earwax buildup.  A simple oil

treatment will do the trick.



  hope this helps!





 Choalayna

 EnchanteD EncounterS

 http://www.enchantedencounters.com

 EnchanteD EncounterS Webring!

 http://www.enchantedencounters.com/webring.htm









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Subject: Re: Help re:ear pressure

From: "Jeff &or Kathy Brown" <JJEFFBROWN@prodigy.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:46:50 -0800

--------

To help me "open up", I dissolve one papya enzyme between cheek and gum,

four times a day.  You should feel relief after the first day but I wouldn't

continue to take them for an extended period of time.  They are not the cure

to the cause but a cure to the symptom.  I would suggest you consult an ENT

to find out if the problem is physically related.  Good luck









==========

Subject: Re: Help re:ear pressure

From: beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 13:26:48 GMT

--------

>From: "Brad & Judi Snell" <snelly@bigpond.com.au>

>I am suffering with my left ear blocking on a regular basis and am finding

>it difficult to release the pressure. I will be flying in about 5 weeks and

>am a bit concerned. Any suggestions? (I think I have excess mucus build up

>that might be causing it, yet I eat very little dairy products).



Contrary to rumor, not all congestion is related to dairy products.



If you are going to be flying and on that particular day you have congestion I

would suggest you take a decongestant and hour or so before boarding the

airplane.  It would be so bad going up, but coming down could introduce you to

new dimensions in pain.  If the congestion is bad enough, it could also affect

the hearing on that side.



Aside from dealing with that particular problem on that particular day - you

need to find out what is causing the congestion.  Only on one side?  Sounds

like it might be an infection, but I can't tell over the Internet.  You might

want to see a doctor.





==========

Subject: Re: Help re:ear pressure

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:40:21 GMT

--------

>>From: "Brad & Judi Snell" <snelly@bigpond.com.au>

>>I am suffering with my left ear blocking on a regular basis and am finding

>>it difficult to release the pressure. I will be flying in about 5 weeks and

>>am a bit concerned. Any suggestions? (I think I have excess mucus build up

>>that might be causing it, yet I eat very little dairy products).



You really should see a specialist for this.  I've had the same

problem for years and usually a good ear washing from my ear doctor

would produce a nice size clump of ear wax.  My eustachian tubes don't

work properly (genetic) and my daughter and I both have to see this

doctor on a regular basis.

Almost 2 years ago  I had a small hole in my ear drum and the

accumulation of "gunk" had caused some damage to my hearing bones (I

don't remember the medical term for them <grin>).

I had to have surgery and prosthetic bones put in and the ear drum

replaced.

If this is a reoccurring problem with you please seek the help of a

professional ear doc.  Your hearing is nothing to mess around with.

bright blessings

bella

>

-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





==========

Subject: Re: Help re:ear pressure

From: "W. Cathey" <carter1@sprynet.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:15:55 -0600

--------

Bella



I have had the same "good ear washing" that you describe and was amazed at

the "nice size clump of ear wax" that washed out of my head.  I was also

acutely aware of how much my hearing had been diminished by contrast to the

way everything sounded so DAMN loud after the procedure.



That was about 10 years ago.  I am starting to notice the same feeling in

there and was considering go back to get flushed out.  Then, the other day,

I saw these cone-shaped things that you are supposed to stick in your ear

and light on fire as far as I could tell.  I am not familiar with the

product, but the guy at the store said it has some kind of sucking effect

when burning that pulls the softened wax out.



This seems strange to me, but I might be willing to try it for a buck before

I go into the doctor's office.



Have you ever heard of such a product and treatment?



-Carter



bella wrote in message <35202c04.43738678@enews.newsguy.com>...

>>>From: "Brad & Judi Snell" <snelly@bigpond.com.au>

>>>I am suffering with my left ear blocking on a regular basis and am

finding

>>>it difficult to release the pressure. I will be flying in about 5 weeks

and

>>>am a bit concerned. Any suggestions? (I think I have excess mucus build

up

>>>that might be causing it, yet I eat very little dairy products).

>

>You really should see a specialist for this.  I've had the same

>problem for years and usually a good ear washing from my ear doctor

>would produce a nice size clump of ear wax.  My eustachian tubes don't

>work properly (genetic) and my daughter and I both have to see this

>doctor on a regular basis.

>Almost 2 years ago  I had a small hole in my ear drum and the

>accumulation of "gunk" had caused some damage to my hearing bones (I

>don't remember the medical term for them <grin>).

>I had to have surgery and prosthetic bones put in and the ear drum

>replaced.

>If this is a reoccurring problem with you please seek the help of a

>professional ear doc.  Your hearing is nothing to mess around with.

>bright blessings

>bella

>>

>-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

>Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations.

>I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

> believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

>-- Louisa May Alcott









==========

Subject: Re: Help re:ear pressure

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:20:59 GMT

--------

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:15:55 -0600, "W. Cathey" <carter1@sprynet.com>

wrote:

>That was about 10 years ago.  I am starting to notice the same feeling in

>there and was considering go back to get flushed out.  Then, the other day,

>I saw these cone-shaped things that you are supposed to stick in your ear

>and light on fire as far as I could tell.  I am not familiar with the

>product, but the guy at the store said it has some kind of sucking effect

>when burning that pulls the softened wax out.



Yes, it's called candling.  I've tried it a couple of times and was

impressed.....that is until I burned one of the candles without

putting it in the ear and got the same "gunk" that I did when I put it

in my  ear. <grin>

I really wouldn't mess around with your ears and hearing.  Although I

had the surgery and live a healthy lifestyle I still have permanent

hearing loss in my left ear.  Please make an appointment with a

specialist to find out why your ear keeps getting "clogged up".

Sometimes a doctor is the best choice.

bright blessings

bella

-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





==========

Subject: Re: Help re:ear pressure

From: georg <the.whichwaydidhego.georg@servtech.NARF.com>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:21:49 -0500

--------

W. Cathey wrote:

> 

> That was about 10 years ago.  I am starting to notice the same feeling in

> there and was considering go back to get flushed out.  Then, the other day,

> I saw these cone-shaped things that you are supposed to stick in your ear

> and light on fire as far as I could tell.  I am not familiar with the

> product, but the guy at the store said it has some kind of sucking effect

> when burning that pulls the softened wax out.

> 

> This seems strange to me, but I might be willing to try it for a buck before

> I go into the doctor's office.

> 

> Have you ever heard of such a product and treatment?



That sounds scary to me. If you really want to not spend the money for

a doc visit, got get murine from over the counter- it's an ear wash

kit. It will get a fair amount of wax out of your ears.



Fire in my ears. Ick!! Anything that sucked strong enough to have any

effect on the ear wax is more likely to pop my ear drum.



-georg

non ani sunt permittendi





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Subject: Weight gain?

From: Andrew <amg@worldlynx.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:20:48 -0500

--------

Are their any herbs that can help me gain weight?





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Subject: Re: Weight gain?

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:47:18 GMT

--------

In article <351137D0.6729@worldlynx.net>, amg@worldlynx.net wrote:





>Are their any herbs that can help me gain weight?



Greetings,



Do you simply feel you are too skinny to be considered visually pleasing 

or do you want to bulk up for weight-lifting or something like that? Are 

you somehow immune to the basic piling up of calories or do you lack 

appetite or are too busy to cook? Are you a teen-ager who burns up more 

than you can put on? Do you have an eating disorder?



Sorry to sound nosey (and I don't propose to solve your problem 

for you) but having a better idea of what your need is would tailor a 

more efficient response from this group. There are herbs that will 

possibly help you improve appetite, help your digestion and bulk up some 

but it would be irresponsible to go into that without a few more 

details.



C.L. Getz  





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





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Subject: Re: Weight gain?

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 04:00:44 GMT

--------

On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:20:48 -0500, Andrew <amg@worldlynx.net> wrote:



>Are their any herbs that can help me gain weight?



I used to have your problem and not be able to gain weight. I was always

the skinniest in class. Now I can gain weight, though not since I went to a

Paleolithic diet.



What happened? I found I had a malabsorption problem called gluten

intolerance, a.k.a. celiac disease. Being underweight is one of the many

possible symptoms of this condition. Now I am gluten-free and things are

normal. Have you ever investigated this possibility? It is a common

hereditary disorder. Lots more information on it can be found on my page of

annotated links:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don.





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Subject: Seeking Affordable Organic Juice?

From: emarmitage@aol.com (Emarmitage)

Date: 19 Mar 1998 21:15:18 GMT

--------

Hello,



I am the mother of 2 children with various food allergies. We try to feed the

kids mostly organic foods. Everyone knows how much little ones like juice. Most

foods are not a problem, but I am having a hard time finding an organic juice

product that is priced comparably to the other juices I find in the

supermarkets.



If anyone has come across an affordable juice line, please let me know where I

can purchase it. I would be willing to mail order or purchase in bulk.



Thanks!



EMO







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Subject: PRIMULA VERIS

From: "Mees Rudiger" <Datio@club.innet.be>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:46:11 +0100

--------

CAN ANYBODY HELP ME WITH ALL THE INFORMATION CONCERNING PRIMULA VERIS RADIX

AND FLORES (composition, function, ..)

Thank you.









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Subject: Re: PRIMULA VERIS

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:04:48 GMT

--------

On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:46:11 +0100, "Mees Rudiger" <Datio@club.innet.be> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>CAN ANYBODY HELP ME WITH ALL THE INFORMATION CONCERNING PRIMULA VERIS RADIX

>AND FLORES (composition, function, ..)



Composition is easy - it's the flowers and roots of Primula veris.

Function - where did you get yours? Why not ask the place you got it from?

Miscellaneous: Primula veris is a pretty spring flower in meadows all over

Germany; it's planted widely in Finland; there are quite a lot of pretty color

variants. 



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: ciwijia???

From: "Jany Mitges" <jjmitges@idirect.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 18:32:07 -0500

--------

Hi There:



Has anyone heard about the chinese herb ciwijia (radix acanthopanax

senticosus).  I am interested in advantages and disadvantages.



Many thanks



JJ









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Subject: Education

From: Dawn Bollman <dbollman@mail.techplus.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 19:29:12 -0600

--------

I live in a rural area and would like to study herbalism. I am looking

for suggestions of good correspondence schools.







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Subject: Re: Education

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 21 Mar 1998 19:44:55 GMT

--------

In article <3511C668.2590B05@mail.techplus.com>, Dawn Bollman

<dbollman@mail.techplus.com> writes:



>

>I live in a rural area and would like to study herbalism. I am looking

>for suggestions of good correspondence schools.



US? Canada? Australia? Post a country and we can probably give you some

answers. For US/Canada, the Wild Rose in Alberta has a good reputation. Michael

Tierra has a set of videos, etc., available with a definite Eastern slant.

Rosemary Gladstar, Debra Nuzzi, and Jeanne Rose all offer correspondence

courses, and are all well respected herbalists. A lot of the herbal seminars

are also offered on a weekend basis, so if you can travel a little, you can do

fieldwork and have some interaction with herbalists.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA 

e-mail:healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

author, Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

Prima Publishing April 1998 ISBN 0761512446







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Subject: No Sex Drive

From: Dina Rowe <prowler@cyberbeach.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:32:34 -0500

--------

I am going through menopause and I have absolutely

no sex drive whatsoever and my

husband is beginning to lose patience with me.



What herbs would help to make me feel alive again.







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Subject: Re: No Sex Drive

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:31:34 -0500

--------

miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:

> 

> Whatever you find, clue me in as well.

> 

> J. Brian Chamberlin

> 

> On Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:32:34 -0500, Dina Rowe <prowler@cyberbeach.net>

> wrote:

> 

> >I am going through menopause and I have absolutely

> >no sex drive whatsoever and my

> >husband is beginning to lose patience with me.

> >

> >What herbs would help to make me feel alive again.

> >





You can try Damiana...that will put a smile back on his face!



Fidget





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Subject: Re: No Sex Drive

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 20 Mar 1998 06:07:00 -0700

--------

Dina Rowe <prowler@cyberbeach.net> wrote:



>What herbs would help to make me feel alive again.

Damiana, Dong Quai, Schizandra are the basic three.



  Also, remind your husband that chocolate, roses, wine,

backrubs, getting away form the kids, and snuggling are all

time-tested remedies for lack of desire.  Applied frequently,

they can do wonders.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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To: abacaxi@hotmail.com

Subject: Re: No Sex Drive

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:11:18 -0800

--------

Are the herbs mentioned below ok for a low libido that has absolutely

nothing to do w/menopause?  Something happened w/child #3, whether it's

hormonal, too tired, insecurity over body image, or I've gotten all my

emotional needs met by cuddling the youngest.  BTW, this is 3 years and

counting.

June



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



> Dina Rowe <prowler@cyberbeach.net> wrote:

>

> >What herbs would help to make me feel alive again.

> Damiana, Dong Quai, Schizandra are the basic three.

>

>   Also, remind your husband that chocolate, roses, wine,

> backrubs, getting away form the kids, and snuggling are all

> time-tested remedies for lack of desire.  Applied frequently,

> they can do wonders.

>

> Callie

> Callie @-sign writepage.com

> (the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

>  But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)











==========

Subject: Re: No Sex Drive

From: logic@nospam.dircon.co.uk (Kat)

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 11:03:58 GMT

--------

HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net> wrote:



>Are the herbs mentioned below ok for a low libido that has absolutely

>nothing to do w/menopause?  Something happened w/child #3, whether it's

>hormonal, too tired, insecurity over body image, or I've gotten all my

>emotional needs met by cuddling the youngest.  BTW, this is 3 years and

>counting.

>June

>



Have you had your thyroid tested?  My sex drive disappeared two years

ago and it turned out I was hypothyroid, which also made me fatigued

and depressed, amongst other things.  Low or no sex drive is a very

common symptom for hypothyroid.



Blood tests are usually pretty unreliable, so you will want to do the

basal temperature test as well.  Here is a URL with symptoms, test

info and treatment.  I found it very helpful.



http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/schacter/hypothyr.d.htm



Good luck!



Kat







==========

To: Dina Rowe <prowler@cyberbeach.net>

Subject: Re: No Sex Drive

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:12:31 -0700

--------

Well, the Crones and I have been discussing this very

subject lately.  What we're going to do is invite everyone

we know who's in menopause or going through pre-menopause.

We're going to have a nice little ritual and sit down, pig

out and go over all the information all of us have.  We're

going to bring all our herbs, our Susan Weed books and any

and all myths, truths and video tapes that we have.  We're

going to sort it all out.  I'd suggest you do the same.



It is a terrible problem because so many women have had

hysterectomies so it isn't like you can just go ask mom

anymore.  My mom never went through it naturally.  And there

is very little info out there on how to get along with this

change.  Sad really.  It seems the only info I get are from

the vaginal cream commercials......  Or recently, drug ads

on the back of TV guide.



Good luck to ya.

Pam

Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

Soap Making Instructions

http://soapcrafters.com



Dina Rowe wrote:



> I am going through menopause and I have absolutely

> no sex drive whatsoever and my

> husband is beginning to lose patience with me.

>

> What herbs would help to make me feel alive again.







--











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Subject: Re: No Sex Drive

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 20 Mar 1998 19:54:51 GMT

--------



Dina Rowe wrote in message <3511D541.DC52A72D@cyberbeach.net>...

>I am going through menopause and I have absolutely

>no sex drive whatsoever and my

>husband is beginning to lose patience with me.

>

>What herbs would help to make me feel alive again.



First of all get a copy of Susun Weed's book "Menopause the Wise Woman Way"

in which she goes into all sorts of herbs useful for menopause, and then get

yourself some Naturade's DHEA in time release.   It was covered recently on

this newsgroup in another thread.   Take one tablet 25 mg time release every

day and you may find your libido kicking back in.



Meanwhile tell your hubby to cool his jets, there is no reason why anyone

should be expected to be running in high gear all your life.   Hormones DO

make us change a little and sometimes the libido lags till all gets settled

in to new levels etc.   He ought to love you for lots of other reasons too,

not just the sex part.    He should be patient just like if you were

pregnant or some such when hormones are also shifting their levels around.



Regards,

Evelyn



>









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Subject: Re: No Sex Drive

From: "babrey" <babrey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:17:22 -0000

--------

There are two newsgroup(thyroid and menopause) that have helped me out

enormously. Not only are they very supportive but they've tried

everything<g> they told me to get off the premarin and get back to my

doctor..the doctor wasn't much help..but getting off the premarin was.. I

feel like a different person or maybe I should say the same person with time

turned back.. and DH is very thankful<g> they also suggested several herbs

but I'm still studying up on them as the lady at the health food store had a

cow when I was asking about them and said "you should never take those while

on thyroid meds". Asked the doctor but she didn't have a clue.

Good luck

San



Dina Rowe wrote in message <3511D541.DC52A72D@cyberbeach.net>...

>I am going through menopause and I have absolutely

>no sex drive whatsoever and my

>husband is beginning to lose patience with me.

>

>What herbs would help to make me feel alive again.

>









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Subject: Aloe Vera v.s. tetanus shot: An old question of the Caribbean?

From: "Richard B. Cheddie" <Yuddh1@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:56:38 -0500

--------

    When I was growing up in the Caribbean (Virgin Islands, Antigua, etc) I

do not recall anyone in the villages going to the Hospital for a tetanus

shot after being injured by rusty metals or such. Instead, the local remedy

was to take a very broad "leaf" of the aloe vera, roast it over charcoals,

cut it into a manageable size, pour salt on, and tie it around the wound

while it was still very warm. We would repeat the process each day for about

three to four days.



    Also, in those days, as it is still done today in many parts of the

islands, it was not unusual to see individuals taking pieces of aloe vera

with them to the beach. There, they would scoop out the bitter interior of

the plant and eat it with a handful of sea water. This was normally done in

the afternoon.











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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera v.s. tetanus shot: An old question of the Caribbean?

From: kietzman@caa.mrs.umn.edu (Cathi Kietzman)

Date: 20 Mar 1998 13:41:59 GMT

--------

In article <6esltn$id@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, "Richard B. Cheddie" <Yuddh1@ix.netcom.com> writes:

>(snip)

>    Also, in those days, as it is still done today in many parts of the

>islands, it was not unusual to see individuals taking pieces of aloe vera

>with them to the beach. There, they would scoop out the bitter interior of

>the plant and eat it with a handful of sea water. This was normally done in

>the afternoon.

>

>

why?  why would you eat the "bitter interior" with sea water?

just curious.....





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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera v.s. tetanus shot: An old question of the Caribbean?

From: "Richard B. Cheddie" <Yuddh1@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:25:52 -0500

--------

It has something to do with cleansing the body and keeping it functioning

properly. We also consider the sea water to be very beneficial. It must be

drunk in the day time, preferably in the early afternoon - and no more than

a mouthful. I once asked my parents why we should eat aloe vera and drink

the sea water and she told me that it was to keep me healthy.





Cathi Kietzman wrote in message <6etrn7$sl7$1@alpha.mrs.umn.edu>...

>In article <6esltn$id@dfw-ixnews8.ix.netcom.com>, "Richard B. Cheddie"

<Yuddh1@ix.netcom.com> writes:

>>(snip)

>>    Also, in those days, as it is still done today in many parts of the

>>islands, it was not unusual to see individuals taking pieces of aloe vera

>>with them to the beach. There, they would scoop out the bitter interior of

>>the plant and eat it with a handful of sea water. This was normally done

in

>>the afternoon.

>>

>>

>why?  why would you eat the "bitter interior" with sea water?

>just curious.....









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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera v.s. tetanus shot: An old question of the Caribbean?

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:31:19 -0600

--------

Richard B. Cheddie wrote:

> 

>     When I was growing up in the Caribbean (Virgin Islands, Antigua, 

> etc) I do not recall anyone in the villages going to the Hospital 

> for a tetanus shot after being injured by rusty metals or such. 

> Instead, the local remedy was to take a very broad "leaf" of the 

> aloe vera, roast it over charcoals, cut it into a manageable size, 

> pour salt on, and tie it around the wound while it was still very 

> warm. We would repeat the process each day for about three to four 

> days.



The salt alone is a formidable bacteriocide.  I applied it directly 

to a pustulent crater wound thrice a day and the infection was gone 

at the end of the second day.  Which is not to discount the AV's

contribution to healing, but I would expect to use it raw.  I've 

seen it prevent a boiling water injury from blistering or scarring.



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Aloe Vera v.s. tetanus shot: An old question of the Caribbean?

From: "Richard B. Cheddie" <Yuddh1@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 20:29:52 -0500

--------

I believe that the roasting of the aloe vera was done to induce a reaction

of the sulfer ions in the plant and the salt. In the few times that I have

used it while growing up I healed quickly.





Lady Necessity wrote in message <351299D7.C31@flash.net>...

>Richard B. Cheddie wrote:

>>

>>     When I was growing up in the Caribbean (Virgin Islands, Antigua,

>> etc) I do not recall anyone in the villages going to the Hospital

>> for a tetanus shot after being injured by rusty metals or such.

>> Instead, the local remedy was to take a very broad "leaf" of the

>> aloe vera, roast it over charcoals, cut it into a manageable size,

>> pour salt on, and tie it around the wound while it was still very

>> warm. We would repeat the process each day for about three to four

>> days.

>

>The salt alone is a formidable bacteriocide.  I applied it directly

>to a pustulent crater wound thrice a day and the infection was gone

>at the end of the second day.  Which is not to discount the AV's

>contribution to healing, but I would expect to use it raw.  I've

>seen it prevent a boiling water injury from blistering or scarring.

>

>-Kyra









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Subject: Serum C and Skin Care

From: Grigsby Hart Wotton <ghw3y@node1.unix.Virginia.EDU>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 22:50:38 -0500

--------

Does anyone have experience with Serum C (a product for the skin

containing Vit. C)?  It's fairly expensive but is promoted as something

that will heal and regenerate skin damaged by too much sun. As a result of

such overexposure, I have been treated for actinic keratoses and have been

using Retin A. A dermatologist has also advised me to use sunblock

everyday except during the winter months.  I have heard that absorption of

the chemicals in sunblock through the skin can be harmful.



I would appreciate any information and opinions about these matters.  And

also any alternative advice on caring for my overexposed 55-year old skin.



Thanks,



Grigsby Wotton







==========

Subject: Re: Serum C and Skin Care

From: "EJ" <emackay@juno.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:22:30 -0800

--------



Grigsby Hart Wotton wrote in message ...

>Does anyone have experience with Serum C (a product for the skin

>containing Vit. C

I used a product called Celex C for about a year and a half with no

noticeable difference at all.  I think it is the same thing you are thinking

of using.  I finally realized it was a waste of my money.









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Subject: TINCTURE PREP

From: lamyers@mindspring.com (Lisa Myers)

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:06:47 GMT

--------

Hello....

Was wondering about tinctures I am preparing...Should I be keeping

them in or out of sunlight?  in a cool, dark cabinet?  or is my sunny

windowsill okay?....I am preparing various types of herbs using

alcohol.  What about using glycerin instead of alcohol?  Is one better

than the other, does one "keep" longer than the other?   Thanks to

anyone who sees and replies to this....please email response as well

as posting, if possible.  

Lisa 





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Subject: Re: TINCTURE PREP

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 12:27:34 GMT

--------

On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:06:47 GMT, lamyers@mindspring.com (Lisa Myers)

wrote:



>Hello....

>Was wondering about tinctures I am preparing...Should I be keeping

>them in or out of sunlight?  in a cool, dark cabinet?  or is my sunny

>windowsill okay?



You should keep them out of sunlight.  I keep my on a shelf in my

pantry.



bella



-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





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Subject: Re: TINCTURE PREP

From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:35:07 -0800

--------

In article <35136065.89904635@enews.newsguy.com>, Nospam4me@mailexcite.com

wrote:



#On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 05:06:47 GMT, lamyers@mindspring.com (Lisa Myers)

#wrote:

#

#>Hello....

#>Was wondering about tinctures I am preparing...Should I be keeping

#>them in or out of sunlight?  in a cool, dark cabinet?  or is my sunny

#>windowsill okay?

#

#You should keep them out of sunlight.  I keep my on a shelf in my

#pantry.

#

#bella



Get a copy of REMINGTON'S PRACTICE OF PHARMACY for the whole lowdown on

tincture-making, storage, evaluation, etc. Possibly at library, used book

store,

or ask at an old pharmacy if you can buy an old edition.



Tinctures should be kept away from any disturbing influence...light

(..."keep in well-filled (full), tightly stoppered bottles") heat, or

radical changes in temperature. Light and air kill herbal activity in any

preserved product.



Use standard BROWN GLASS pharmacy bottles. I have made and used tinctures,

active after 10-15 years, due to care in making and storage. I have tested

(subjective/dose) tinctures over 30 yrs old and found them still active,

due to care of making and storage.



Never store tinctures in plain clear glass, even if they are in a dark place.



Use a small 'dosing bottle'...refill periodically from 'stock bottle'. Avoid

shaking, leaving open, if you expect tincture to retain potency.



Glycerates are OK...if you learn which herbs are amenable to that method.



Also...book: CHEMISTRY OF ORGANIC MEDICINAL PRODUCTS by Jenkins and Hartung,

rare out of print...seek it out, old standard pharm text.



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance





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Subject: Re: TINCTURE PREP

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 25 Mar 1998 06:39:31 GMT

--------

Tinctures should always be kept in dark amber glass, out of light.  They

should be mostly herb; with the liquid portion just barely covering the

amount of herbs.  Stir of shake daily.  Allow to soak at least 14 days,

harvesting on the full moon for the highest potency.



Alchohol tinctures should be made with 80 Proof Vodka or Everclear diluted

half and half with distilled water for most herbs, although a few require

90 Proof to extract all the properties.  Also some herbal properties can

only be extracted fully with the addition on vinegar.  Alchohol preserves

the tincture almost indefinately (40-50 years).



I don't know how long glycerin tinctures last, but I'm sure its not as

long.  Also, I'm not aware of any herbs that do better in glycerin.  My

understanding is that this is only used as a medium by those concerned with

achohol content (esp. for children).  What I recommend is to add the dose

of an achohol based tincture to a little hot water and let it sit for a

while before taking it.  The achohol soon evaporates.     



Lisa Myers <lamyers@mindspring.com> wrote in article

<3511f831.6528551@news.mindspring.com>...

> Hello....

> Was wondering about tinctures I am preparing...Should I be keeping

> them in or out of sunlight?  in a cool, dark cabinet?  or is my sunny

> windowsill okay?....I am preparing various types of herbs using

> alcohol.  What about using glycerin instead of alcohol?  Is one better

> than the other, does one "keep" longer than the other?   Thanks to

> anyone who sees and replies to this....please email response as well

> as posting, if possible.  

> Lisa 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: TINCTURE PREP

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:06:18 GMT

--------

On 25 Mar 1998 06:39:31 GMT, "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Tinctures should always be kept in dark amber glass, out of light.  They

>should be mostly herb; with the liquid portion just barely covering the

>amount of herbs.  Stir of shake daily.  Allow to soak at least 14 days,

>harvesting on the full moon for the highest potency.

>

>Alchohol tinctures should be made with 80 Proof Vodka or Everclear diluted

>half and half with distilled water for most herbs, although a few require

>90 Proof to extract all the properties.  Also some herbal properties can

>only be extracted fully with the addition on vinegar.  Alchohol preserves

>the tincture almost indefinately (40-50 years).



No, no, no. If you dilute your 80 proof alcohol (40 %) by half (to 20 %) that

gives you a tincture that, given that there is some water in dry plants, will

mold or go off quite fast, unless the herb you have tinctured is in itself

antifungal.



What you describe above is the simplers approach; that would only be good for

fresh herb tinctures. Ie, fill a jar, add alcohol, let stand for two to four

weeks, strain, bottle, label.

For dried herb tinctures you NEED to follow one or the other of the manuals out

there; a good one would be Michael Moore's Materia medica, online at

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE - go for the manuals:



eg. Arctium (burdock): Tincture, fresh root 1:2

you use 1 part fresh root (by weight) and 2 parts 95 % alcohol (180 proof) (by

volume). Chop up the root, measure out say 10 ounces, put that into a quart jar,

add 20 ounces of alcohol. Where not otherwise specified fresh is always a 1:2

with 95 % alcohol.



eg. Arctium (burdock); Tincture, dry root 1:5, 60 %

Chop up the dried root, measure out say 4 ounces, and add 20 ounces of 60 %

alcohol. You can get at 60 % alcohol either by buying that strength vodka or by

diluting stronger alcohol - use a calculator if you're not sure of the math.

You want the water either in the plant or in the alcohol, -usually-.



For both: let stand for 2-4 weeks, strain, bottle, label.



These tinctures, depending on the herb, -can- last 50 years, but then you have

to seal the bottle quite well. Lead anyone? You can generally count on any given

tincture being active after 5 years, most being as good as new even after 10

years. Tinctures last longer if kept in cool dark places in amber glass bottles.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: TINCTURE PREP

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:50:01 -0500

--------

Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> These tinctures, depending on the herb, -can- last 50 years, but then you have

> to seal the bottle quite well. Lead anyone? You can generally count on any given

> tincture being active after 5 years, most being as good as new even after 10

> years. Tinctures last longer if kept in cool dark places in amber glass bottles.

> 

> Cheers

> Henriette

> 

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





I love this woman!



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Subject: Diabetes herbal remedies?

From: Jen <guerra@webspan.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:12:58 -0800

--------

Hello,



I'm looking for a lot of info on herbal treatments and/or nutritional

treatments for a friend with diabetes. His traditional methods just

aren't cutting it anymore. I saw John's website and i'm going to give my

friend a print up of it, but I'd like a lot more to print up. I know

almost nil about diabetes. He's new at herbal remedies so something

clear and easy to understand would be great.



Thanks,

--

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Subject: Herbs for high blood pressure and inflammation?

From: Jen <guerra@webspan.net>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:16:11 -0800

--------

Hello,



I'm looking for herbs for my  boyfriend that can be used to treat high

blood pressure. I don't know if it's tricky, but the high blood pressure

is caused by chronic viral illness and not due to age/high

cholesterol/poor physical shape. It's a brain thing I guess is the

easiest to explain. Maybe an herb that regulates BP rather than just

lowers it?



Also, an herb that reduces inflammation?



Thanks a ton (and a half),

--

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Subject: St. Johns Wort - Side Effect?

From: "Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 08:50:08 -0600

--------

Has anyone experienced weight gain while taking St. Johns Wort??



Thanks.



-- 

- Max

maxwood@mindspring.com







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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort - Side Effect?

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 20 Mar 1998 19:43:05 GMT

--------



Max A. Wood wrote in message <6etvaj$7c8@camel12.mindspring.com>...

Has anyone experienced weight gain while taking St. Johns Wort??



Thanks.



--

- Max

maxwood@mindspring.com





Hello Max,



I have not heard of that, but I HAVE heard of weight loss while taking it.

The theory on that being that those who eat because they are depressed are

usually less depressed and therefore less inclined to eat for that reason.



Evelyn









==========

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort - Side Effect?

From: Jen <guerra@webspan.net>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:08:41 -0800

--------

Max A. Wood wrote:



> Has anyone experienced weight gain while taking St. Johns Wort??

>

> Thanks.

>

> --

> - Max

> maxwood@mindspring.com



Max,



I have had nothing but fabulous results from St John's Wort. I've

had weight gain but I cannot attribute that to the St. John's Wort.

I've never heard of weight gain being a side effect. The only side

effect I've heard of is if you take massive doses (like cows would

graze on the plant) you would get sensitive to the sun. No problems

here.  :-)





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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort - Side Effect?

From: quester@sjm.infi.net (Harold Groot)

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:48:11 GMT

--------

>Has anyone experienced weight gain while taking St. Johns Wort??



Not personally, no, but it wouldn't surprise me if it affected someone

this way.  Medicines, whether herbal or not, often affect different

people in different ways.  This means you have to see what it's doing

in your particular case and make a judgement.



Let me give a comparison.



SJW is commonly used to treat depression.  It is believed to do this

by keeping a brain chemical (serotonin) from being reabsorbed too

quickly after the body makes it.  This puts it into the category of

NSRI (Non-specific Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor).  In addition to

elevating mood, the most common side effect seems to be as an appetite

suppressant - the increased levels of serotonin help you feel "full"

longer.  Of course, depression and hunger are also affected by other

mechanisms - this only attacks on one front.



The most popular anti-depressant on the market today is Prozac.  It

does much the same thing as SJW - it is a SSRI (Specific Serotonin

Reuptake Inhibitor).  It has a number of possible side effects.  One

of these side effects is weight LOSS.  Another is weight GAIN.  This

is again dependent on exactly on what is going on inside each person's

head.  Some people find an extreme reduction in hunger.  Others find

they have more energy, so they go out and do more energetic things and

burn off the weight.  Other people who were depressed already had

reduced appetites because of the depression, and lifting the

depression INCREASED their appetites.  There may also be a body

mechanism involved as well as a brain chemistry mechanism.



Anyway - with Prozac and similar SRIs, it is common to see =either= a

weight gain =or= a weight loss.  Since SJW is believed to act in a

similar fashion, seeing a weight gain for some should be no surprise

even if the majoruty show no difference or a weight loss.



So always see how well something seems to be working =for you=.  

If you are getting what you want, great.  If not, it's probably best

to look elsewhere.  For most problems there are many things that can

be tried - you simply have to find the one that works best for you.







==========

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort - Side Effect?

From: David Rush <kumo@intercenter.net>

Date: 23 Mar 1998 14:37:26 -0500

--------

quester@sjm.infi.net (Harold Groot) writes:

> >Has anyone experienced weight gain while taking St. Johns Wort??

> 

> Not personally, no, 



Me neither, but I haven't been taking it long enough to notice.



> SJW is commonly used to treat depression.  It is believed to do this

> by keeping a brain chemical (serotonin) from being reabsorbed too

> quickly after the body makes it.  This puts it into the category of

> NSRI (Non-specific Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor).  In addition to

> elevating mood, the most common side effect seems to be as an appetite

> suppressant - the increased levels of serotonin help you feel "full"

> longer.



OK, I *am* noticing a number of side-effects to SJW. To be fair, I don't

have access to the whole herb, nor tinctures, so what I am getting is

standardized hypericin content tablets. YMMV.



Anyway, the greatest thing I noticed is that you can very easily take

too much. The dosages I began with (based upon primarily mfr's

reccommendations) would leave me feeling like I had a bad LSD hangover

(BTW "hangover" is misleading it is completely unlike an alcohol

hangover, but if you've taken LSD, you know *exactly* what I mean). I

cut what I was taking by half (later even a little bit more), and

things are much happier now :)



I have almost completely gone off coffee. It doesn't even smell good

to me anymore. This is a good thing because I had a cup one morning a

little bit after I started SJW, and I felt speedy beyond belief. This

was not pleasant. In fact I've noticed that after the "rise time" SJW

improves my alertness and concentration in much the same way that

coffee does, assuming that I don't take too much.



Taking it at night appears to not be a good idea. Initially I had no

problems with sleeping, and waking up was great. I would be instantly

awake, and singingly happy. Irritability was rather the rule for me in

the AM, and I was very pleased with this. After about a week (maybe

two), I began to have real troubles sleeping. I just wouldn't be tired

and I'd get very heavily into the "zone" with whatever acitvity I'd

engage in. When I would finally go to bed, I slept very lightly, and

woke frequently, and early. I started to feel a bit strung out after

three or four days of this, so I quit the SJW for a weekend.  I slept

a *lot* throgh the weekend (naps, too). I've sice become rather more

careful about taking it at night.



In the same time-frame that I had the sleep-loss problem I also

started having short-term memory problems. This worried me quite a

bit, but it does seem to have ameliorated.



I've also noted that I feel like I have an elevated heart rate

from20-30 minutes after taking SJW to about 3 hours after. I don't

have any hard eveidence but a quick check of my pulse seems to

disagree with that perception. One mfr. recommended taking magnesium

supplements along with SJW. I had actually been contemplating taking

magnesium for quite some time previous to this, so I decided to try

it. I found that the magnesium smoothed out the initial "rush" of the

SJW kicking in, and (generally) damped the effect of the drug by about

1/3.



This is all just my (very unscientific) $.02 worth, as somebody who

has fooled with their neurochemistry too much in the past. It sure

seems to me that SJW is a very potent psychoactive substance. On the

whole the experience has been very much a positive one, but I thought

I should mention this stuff. Is there anyone out there who could

expand on this?





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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort - Side Effect?

From: Deb Skinner <debra@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 09:22:52 GMT

--------





Max A. Wood wrote:



> Has anyone experienced weight gain while taking St. Johns Wort??

>

> Thanks.

>

> --

> - Max

> maxwood@mindspring.com



 I have lost weight in the years that I have been taking Hypericum

perforatum [St John's Wort].  Whether it is due to the Hypericum or

other factors in my life, I could not say.



Deb



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Subject: Any herbs that will help ringing in ears?

From: RVNX48A@prodigy.com (Wendy Blackstone)

Date: 20 Mar 1998 14:50:19 GMT

--------

  Does anybody know of any herbs that might help Tinnitis, or ringing in 

the ears? My ear doctor told me that some people swear by Gingko Biloba, 

so I've been trying this for about the past month or so. I've seen no 

improvement at all and am wondering if there's another herb I can try. If 

you know of any, pleae e-mail me and let me know. Thank you very much.



Wendy

Wendy02@prodigy.com







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Subject: Re: Any herbs that will help ringing in ears?

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:24:13 -0800

--------

Hi Wendy



Speaking as a person who has had tinnitis for 15 yr.'s, I can tell you that

there is very little you can do. Increasing blood circulation to the area is

supposed to help. Ginko Biloba is a good product for that. There are

probably others. One of the biggest causes of tinnitis is inner ear damage.

Sometimes high blood pressure will cause it. Mine is from loud noises

associated with construction. Mine comes and goes but hasn't gotten

noticeably worse over the years. One thing that actually helps is try not to

concentrate on it. I know this sounds strange, but it actually works. The

ringing in my ears is worse when I am aware of it, like right now as I type

this note. Most times I am not aware of it, although it is always there in

the background. As someone once told me, learn to live with it.

By the way, a lot of caffeine seems to make it worse.



Bob





Wendy Blackstone wrote in message

<6etvnb$3ulq$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...

:  Does anybody know of any herbs that might help Tinnitis, or ringing in

:the ears? My ear doctor told me that some people swear by Gingko Biloba,

:so I've been trying this for about the past month or so. I've seen no

:improvement at all and am wondering if there's another herb I can try. If

:you know of any, pleae e-mail me and let me know. Thank you very much.

:

:Wendy

:Wendy02@prodigy.com

:

:









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Subject: Re: Any herbs that will help ringing in ears?

From: "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net>

Date: 24 Mar 1998 22:17:40 GMT

--------

Try Ginger and Cayene Pepper and 

Lecithin supplements .

and write me back



Esco Babatunde II

Institute of Afrikan Holistic Medicine and Science







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Subject: Help !  Birch-syrup is it toxic ??

From: "Jan Schitt Larsen" <artlight@post6.tele.dk>

Date: 20 Mar 1998 23:06:56 GMT

--------

Hi

My mother is very sick (cancer), and now in desperation, Im trying if

syrup from the sap of a birch- (tree)  might help her . Ive heard just a

few days ago that in sweden some positive results with birchsugar against

cancercells has been discovered. As my mother do not have much time, Im

forced to just trying in this primitive way. Today I just got enough sap. I

boiled away the water until it had the same consistency as maple syrup. 

Then I went to the hospital where she is being treated with x-rays this

week, here we tasted the syrup together,  it was sweet alright with a taste

or smell of something like melted beewacs . After the sweet taste came a

quite bitter taste and this is worrying me a great deal. Im afraid it

might be toxic  (prussic acid  ??)



If you or some old people you know,knows something about the use of syrup

from birch, I would be very happy to hear, and hopefully it wil make it

possible for us to carry on !

The only thing I know about birchsap is that here in Denmark it has been

used for making birchwine, maybee in your culture it has been used for

sirup or maybe folksmedicine,  please let me hear !



Take care ,       Jan S. Larsen





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Subject: Re: Help !  Birch-syrup is it toxic ??

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 20 Mar 1998 18:59:01 -0700

--------

"Jan Schitt Larsen" <artlight@post6.tele.dk> wrote:

After the sweet taste came a

>quite bitter taste and this is worrying me a great deal. Im afraid it

>might be toxic  (prussic acid  ??)



>If you or some old people you know,knows something about the use of syrup

>from birch,



The sap of the birch contains quite a bit of sugar, and

Sturdivant's EDIBLE PLANTS OF THE WORLD says it was used to make

vinegsr, beer, and even syrup.  No mention of toxicity, although

birch beer is reputed to have a serious hangover.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Help !  Birch-syrup is it toxic ??

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:14:34 GMT

--------

On 20 Mar 1998 23:06:56 GMT, "Jan Schitt Larsen" <artlight@post6.tele.dk> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>My mother is very sick (cancer), and now in desperation, Im trying if

>syrup from the sap of a birch- (tree)  might help her . Ive heard just a

>few days ago that in sweden some positive results with birchsugar against

>cancercells has been discovered. As my mother do not have much time, Im

>forced to just trying in this primitive way. Today I just got enough sap. I



You tap the birch sap when it rises in spring - not really a long period of

time, it's from two to four weeks depending on the weather. You don't have to

drill a hole (downward facing!) in the trunk, you can just chop off a

pencil-sized branchlet and hang a bucket under it to catch the sap. 



It's traditional to drink the sap right away in Finland, as

a) there is so little solids in it that it doesn't make a good syrup (you have

to boil off ca. 99.9 % of it ... stirring all the time because it -does- contain

sugar and -will- burn if you don't ... not worth it), 

b) it goes bad faster than fresh milk. If it's older than half a day, and not

frozen (it freezes outdoors overnight, in sap rising times), you've got more

than a 50 % chance of different fungi, bacteria etc. growing in it - it -does-

contain sugar which is an excellent growth medium for these, and

c) you can preserve it, by freezing - but who has a freezer that large? You can

also try pasteurizing and adding citric acid, but then you don't have birch sap,

you have citric acid juice...



So if you kept yours for more than half a day, outdoors, without refrigeration,

then, yes, it might harbor all kinds of unpleasant organisms that aren't good

for you. 

Good birch sap is clear;  the taste depends on the tree - two trees growing side

by side (less than a meter apart) can have -widely- different tasting saps. 

Too old birch sap will have milky clouding or tendrils in it, and the taste will

be off.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: preparing ginseng

From: Gene Bilney <gb0001@jove.acs.unt.edu>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:59:29 -0600

--------

Was there some info recently on how to prepare

dried ginseng root? Steaming, grinding, etc.

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*but do not tell them so.

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Subject: Stress management Techniques: New Clinic

From: Al <Al@greycircle.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:58:14 +0000

--------

I've recently been handed the opportunity of running a stress management

option within the health suite of the club I work at. Whilst qualified

as an aromatherapist (ISPA Accredited), I wish to incorporate various

techniques as well as aromatherapy.



Any ideas, or leads people may be able to offer, I thank you in advance.

-- 

Al





==========

Subject: Re: Psoriasis for a price

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 21 Mar 1998 12:35:52 GMT

--------

Hi 



I was just wondering through and found this....



I dont have any herbs to recommend..just my own experience



I use to get psoriasis quite bad, and then found i had an intolerance to

wheat/gluten....Perhaps you should look into your diet.....













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Subject: Slippery Elm

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 21 Mar 1998 12:41:38 GMT

--------

Hi! My goal this spring is to find slippery elm.I am interested in harvesting

the bark to make decoctions for sore throats and to make throat lozenges.Has

any one out there in cyberherb land processed their own bark and made these

lozenges?Any pics I can look up anywhere?E-mail if you like. Thanks in advance!

Peace-Magda





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Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: dmcd@ntr.net

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:31:38 -0600

--------







    Slippery elm is great for sorethroats! I use it all the time. But beware

of your source. I get it from a local wildcrafter who collects it very

ethically. Rootbark is the best but bark will do. Sometimes the rootbark is

just too slimey for some people...



  As for making losanges out of it I wouldnt waste my time. I suck on the

straight bark(outter layers removed..) Adding the crap to make it into a

losange would just weaken the effect.



 If your going to harvest ethically by wildcrafting you need to be aware of

the nature of the tree. First any wound you leave on the tree will very likely

get infected and kill the tree. So in other words cover any of the wounds you

leave with a commercial preperation or something like dirt or pinesap. The

ultimate way to get small amounts would be to take only one limb and use its

bark. A little worse would be to take only one root. If you need massive

amounts dont take a bit from a lot of tree's, kill one tree completely. Dig up

all the roots w/o damaging them, Cut the top of the tree off about ten feet

high. Then take a come-a-long and pull the tree right over.. Make sure you get

all the bark since you just killed the entire tree. That would last you many

lifetimes..

 Be careful where you harvest also.. This tree has been dwindling in numbers

because of commercial overharvesting.. Take a tree only in a decent population

of them...(1 out of a 10 tree grove)



Well I wish you luck and hope you will gather responsibly.. If you have any

other questions about the millions of other uses of slippery elm just email

me..



Dan McDonley

dmcd@ntr.net







In article <1998032112413801.HAA23877@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

  magda2@aol.com (Magda2) wrote:

>

> Hi! My goal this spring is to find slippery elm.I am interested in

harvesting

> the bark to make decoctions for sore throats and to make throat lozenges.Has

> any one out there in cyberherb land processed their own bark and made these

> lozenges?Any pics I can look up anywhere?E-mail if you like. Thanks in

advance!

> Peace-Magda

>





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Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: elcooper_nospam@chem.duke.edu (Evan L. Cooper)

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 98 19:08:45 GMT

--------

In article <6f0pt4$678$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dmcd@ntr.net wrote:

>

>bark. A little worse would be to take only one root. If you need massive

>amounts dont take a bit from a lot of tree's, kill one tree completely. Dig 

up

>all the roots w/o damaging them, Cut the top of the tree off about ten feet

>high. Then take a come-a-long and pull the tree right over.. Make sure you 

get

>all the bark since you just killed the entire tree. That would last you many

>lifetimes..

> Be careful where you harvest also.. This tree has been dwindling in numbers

>because of commercial overharvesting.. Take a tree only in a decent 

population

>of them...(1 out of a 10 tree grove)

>



I think there is an important addendum to this procedure.  If one

is planning to harvest an entire tree like this, I think it behooves

them to then plant a seedling or sapling to replace it.  It would

also be right and proper to revisit that new tree occasionally to

see that it is thriving.



Just a thought.



Evan





==========

Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: lauriem519@aol.com (Lauriem519)

Date: 25 Mar 1998 12:55:41 GMT

--------

Evan Wrote:



I think there is an important addendum to this procedure.  If one

is planning to harvest an entire tree like this, I think it behooves

them to then plant a seedling or sapling to replace it.  It would

also be right and proper to revisit that new tree occasionally to

see that it is thriving.



Just a thought.



Evan



___________________________________

My thought exactly!!

Laurie





==========

Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 21 Mar 1998 08:11:00 -0700

--------

Vern McKechnie <vmck@telusplanet.net> wrote:



>Okay here's the scoop; Psoriasis is dryness of the skin that has pretty

>much be-deviled the medical world as to the cause of it, 

  Actually, it's pretty well confirmed to be a genetic disorder

resembling a dermatitis with characteristic lesions.  It a "come

and go" sort of disease, so you can't be sure the therapy really

worked at first.

  Anti-inflammatory herbs: echinacea, willow bark, etc. might

help (haven't found references, but it seems reasonable that an

inflammation would be helped by them).  The scaly itchiness can

be kept to a minimum with lubricating agents - any old bath poil

will do for a mild case, and lanolin-based creams for the worst

areas.  The vinegar rinse, provided that you were using

super-fatted soaps as well, would perhaps help maintain the skin

pH.

  Exposure to UV light helps - there are many accounts of

winter-psoriasis and cases of psoriasis disappearing when the

patient went to a tropical climate.





>        Now before I pass on this age old "secret" treatment I must

>request a slight monetary token of $5.00 to cover my efforts of endless

>searching out and testing various treatments until I found this

>treatment that works.

>        Please make cheque or money order payable to

>                                Vern McKechnie

>        and send to:            Box 571

>                                Widewater, Alberta

>                                Canada

>                                T0G 2M0

And the rest of us will post the recipes for free, you dolt!



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 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: lcruz@neumedia.net

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 22:31:40 -0600

--------

In article <3512FEE2.67C7@telusplanet.net>,

  Vern McKechnie <vmck@telusplanet.net> wrote:

>

> Psoriasis

> Okay here's the scoop; Psoriasis is dryness of the skin that has pretty

> much be-deviled the medical world as to the cause of it, well this old

> paperback book says that we are causing the problem by washing with >soap



Vern, I think you should throw away that old paperback book. Psoriasis is a

skin disorder in which the skin cells multiply much too rapidly, causing

bright red patches overlaid with silvery scales--not merely "dryness of

skin". Dry skin can aggravate the condition, though.



<snip the soap and pollution stuff>



> Once you've got the Cosmetic Vinegar mixed you just have to add 2

> tablespoons to 1 liter/quart of water for the right slightly acidic

> rinse mixture. The cost is negligible for the beautifully natural skin

> we all desire.



I don't know what "cosmetic vinegar" could possibly be (and it's not worth

$5.00 to me to find out), but plain old run-of-the-mill apple cider vinegar

will do the same things you're claiming for your special cosmetic vinegar.

This would be of no extraordinary benefit to psoriasis sufferers. I HAVE

found, however, that dabbing a strong burdock root decoction on my patches of

psoriasis and keeping my skin well-moisturized, as well as taking burdock

root extract, does provide measurable relief in the winter, and the sun takes

care of it in the summer.



>         Now before I pass on this age old "secret" treatment I must

> request a slight monetary token of $5.00 to cover my efforts of endless

> searching out and testing various treatments until I found this

> treatment that works.



"Endless searching out and testing"?? I don't think so, since you don't even

know what the condition IS. What disturbs me is that someone looking for

relief from their psoriasis might actually send you money, trusting that

you're being honest. Shame on you.



<snip the rest>



Lois Cruz







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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 22 Mar 1998 12:57:01 -0700

--------

lcruz@neumedia.net wrote:



>I HAVE

>found, however, that dabbing a strong burdock root decoction on my patches of

>psoriasis and keeping my skin well-moisturized, as well as taking burdock

>root extract, does provide measurable relief in the winter, and the sun takes

>care of it in the summer.

  I checked the Materia Medica: one of the standard uses for

burdock root was treating psoriasis (acne, and scrofula too).



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: Vern McKechnie <vmck@telusplanet.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 13:57:45 -0700

--------

lcruz@neumedia.net wrote:

> 

> In article <3512FEE2.67C7@telusplanet.net>,

>   Vern McKechnie <vmck@telusplanet.net> wrote:

> >

> > Psoriasis

> > Okay here's the scoop; Psoriasis is dryness of the skin that has pretty

> > much be-deviled the medical world as to the cause of it, well this old

> > paperback book says that we are causing the problem by washing with >soap

> 

> Vern, I think you should throw away that old paperback book. Psoriasis is a

> skin disorder in which the skin cells multiply much too rapidly, causing

> bright red patches overlaid with silvery scales--not merely "dryness of

> skin". Dry skin can aggravate the condition, though.

> 

> <snip the soap and pollution stuff>

> 

> > Once you've got the Cosmetic Vinegar mixed you just have to add 2

> > tablespoons to 1 liter/quart of water for the right slightly acidic

> > rinse mixture. The cost is negligible for the beautifully natural skin

> > we all desire.

> 

> I don't know what "cosmetic vinegar" could possibly be (and it's not worth

> $5.00 to me to find out), but plain old run-of-the-mill apple cider vinegar

> will do the same things you're claiming for your special cosmetic vinegar.

> This would be of no extraordinary benefit to psoriasis sufferers. I HAVE

> found, however, that dabbing a strong burdock root decoction on my patches of

> psoriasis and keeping my skin well-moisturized, as well as taking burdock

> root extract, does provide measurable relief in the winter, and the sun takes

> care of it in the summer.

> 

> >         Now before I pass on this age old "secret" treatment I must

> > request a slight monetary token of $5.00 to cover my efforts of endless

> > searching out and testing various treatments until I found this

> > treatment that works.

> 

> "Endless searching out and testing"?? I don't think so, since you don't even

> know what the condition IS. What disturbs me is that someone looking for

> relief from their psoriasis might actually send you money, trusting that

> you're being honest. Shame on you.

> 

> <snip the rest>

> 

> Lois Cruz

> 

> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading



Your right Lois it is not just a dryness of the skin, but as to the skin disorder in 

which the skin cells multiply much too rapidly... that has not been proven to be true 

and is only one claim as to the cause of the problem.... it is also thought to be an 

inherited abnormality that affects 2 % of the population... that is the medical worlds 

way of saying they don't really know what the cause is and therefore don't have a 

specific treatment for it but will try several different methods of treatment, which I 

myself have been subjected to with usually only limited success at expensive and  

frustrating costs. 

Is this the be all end all of psoriasis treatment... for everyone, I doubt it, but it 

has given me an inexpensive and reliable treatment that has proven to work and has 

stopped me from being dermatologists guinea pig.

There is no shame on me for I am being completely honest.





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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: "Julie Ann" <waltnjulie@geocities.com>

Date: 23 Mar 98 04:25:34 GMT

--------

lcruz@neumedia.net wrote:

> > 

> > In article <3512FEE2.67C7@telusplanet.net>,

> >   Vern McKechnie <vmck@telusplanet.net> wrote:

> > >

> > > Psoriasis

> > > Okay here's the scoop; Psoriasis is dryness of the skin...

<snip>

lcruz@neumedia.net wrote:

> > Vern, I think you should throw away that old paperback book. Psoriasis

is a

> > skin disorder in which the skin cells multiply much too rapidly,

causing

> > bright red patches overlaid with silvery scales--not merely "dryness of

> > skin". Dry skin can aggravate the condition, though.

> > 

> >

> > <snip the rest>

> > 

> Your right Lois it is not just a dryness of the skin, but as to the skin

disorder in 

> which the skin cells multiply much too rapidly... that has not been

proven to be true 

><snipped>





Sorry, but she's right.  It's quite well proven now that psoriatic skin

cells multiply 10x as fast as normal skin.  A normal skin cell takes about

30 days to form, mature, and reach the surface of the skin.  A psoriatic

skin cell takes 3 days for the same process.

It is an inherited abnormality, which involves activated T-cells (immune

system).  And it affects about 2.5% of Americans.

For a conservative scientific view, go to http://psoriasis.org  

For myself, nothing works like sunshine.  I recommend moving to a sunnier

climate for anyone who has bad psoriasis. 



Julie Ann



I think this is the first time I've posted to this group; I've been reading

for a couple weeks, though.







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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:33:50 -0500

--------

Julie Ann wrote in message <01bd5613$a3aaf7a0$651415d1@zqjbhpap>...

>Sorry, but she's right.  It's quite well proven now that psoriatic skin

>cells multiply 10x as fast as normal skin.  A normal skin cell takes about

>30 days to form, mature, and reach the surface of the skin.  A psoriatic

>skin cell takes 3 days for the same process.

>It is an inherited abnormality, which involves activated T-cells (immune

>system).  And it affects about 2.5% of Americans.

>For a conservative scientific view, go to http://psoriasis.org

>For myself, nothing works like sunshine.  I recommend moving to a sunnier

>climate for anyone who has bad psoriasis.

>

>Julie Ann

>

>I think this is the first time I've posted to this group; I've been reading

>for a couple weeks, though.

>



Julie, welcome to the group.  I guess you know by now we can be a pretty

opinionated bunch of folks, and I hope our squabbling doesn't put you off

(doesn't seem to have).



I guess I'll throw my 2 cents worth in here.  I've so far heard that

sunshine seems to help, and some herbs do seem to help some people, so it

seems that, regardless of the cause or nature of the disease at the cellular

level there *are* things we can do to help alleviate the worst of the

symptoms.  It seems to me we are arguing not over the treatment but over one

persons right to charge money (and it really is a small amount, isn't it?)

for her advice.  The charge, she claims, is justified based on the amount of

time she has spent (undoubtedly) trying out all sorts of noxious

applications until she found one that worked for her.  Well, you will have

to decide for yourselves if it is worth $5 to find out whether the stuff is

actually for real, but honestly, this is an awful lot of fuss over an amount

of money that's less than what we'd pay for a bottle of powdered herb

capsules, don't you think?  Why don't we take up a collection and buy the

formula, and then we can post it for everyone.



-RJO











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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: lcruz@neumedia.net

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:09:34 -0600

--------

In article <35157B49.60A9@telusplanet.net>,

  Vern McKechnie <vmck@telusplanet.net> wrote:

>

> lcruz@neumedia.net wrote:

> >

> > In article <3512FEE2.67C7@telusplanet.net>,

> >   Vern McKechnie <vmck@telusplanet.net> wrote:

> > >

> > > Psoriasis

> > > Okay here's the scoop; Psoriasis is dryness of the skin that has pretty

> > > much be-deviled the medical world as to the cause of it, well this old

> > > paperback book says that we are causing the problem by washing with >soap

> >

> > Vern, I think you should throw away that old paperback book. Psoriasis is a

> > skin disorder in which the skin cells multiply much too rapidly, causing

> > bright red patches overlaid with silvery scales--not merely "dryness of

> > skin". Dry skin can aggravate the condition, though.

> >

> > <snip the soap and pollution stuff>

> >

> > > Once you've got the Cosmetic Vinegar mixed you just have to add 2

> > > tablespoons to 1 liter/quart of water for the right slightly acidic

> > > rinse mixture. The cost is negligible for the beautifully natural skin

> > > we all desire.

> >

> > I don't know what "cosmetic vinegar" could possibly be (and it's not worth

> > $5.00 to me to find out), but plain old run-of-the-mill apple cider vinegar

> > will do the same things you're claiming for your special cosmetic vinegar.

> > This would be of no extraordinary benefit to psoriasis sufferers. I HAVE

> > found, however, that dabbing a strong burdock root decoction on my patches of

> > psoriasis and keeping my skin well-moisturized, as well as taking burdock

> > root extract, does provide measurable relief in the winter, and the sun takes

> > care of it in the summer.

> >

> > >         Now before I pass on this age old "secret" treatment I must

> > > request a slight monetary token of $5.00 to cover my efforts of endless

> > > searching out and testing various treatments until I found this

> > > treatment that works.

> >

> > "Endless searching out and testing"?? I don't think so, since you don't even

> > know what the condition IS. What disturbs me is that someone looking for

> > relief from their psoriasis might actually send you money, trusting that

> > you're being honest. Shame on you.

> >

> > <snip the rest>

> >

> > Lois Cruz

> >

> > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> > http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

>

> Your right Lois it is not just a dryness of the skin, but as to the skin disorder in

> which the skin cells multiply much too rapidly... that has not been proven to be true

> and is only one claim as to the cause of the problem.... it is also thought to be an

> inherited abnormality that affects 2 % of the population... that is the medical worlds

> way of saying they don't really know what the cause is and therefore don't have a

> specific treatment for it but will try several different methods of treatment, which I

> myself have been subjected to with usually only limited success at expensive and

> frustrating costs.

> Is this the be all end all of psoriasis treatment... for everyone, I doubt it, but it

> has given me an inexpensive and reliable treatment that has proven to work and has

> stopped me from being dermatologists guinea pig.

> There is no shame on me for I am being completely honest.

>



You are being honest when you admit that your "secret treatment" probably

won't work for everyone (if it works for anyone). But in your original post,

and in at least one other, you were NOT being honest, as you claimed to have

the definitive answer as to the cause of psoriasis, and touted your secret as

a miracle remedy, and portrayed it as exactly what you now admit it is not:

"the be all end all of psoriasis treatment". That dishonesty, as most of us

know, was intentional--designed to "hook" the naive and/or gullible people

who read it so you could get that money rolling in.



I'm not going to quibble over what has been proven or not with regard to

psoriasis. All I'll say about that is that it's too bad all the doctors in

the world haven't read your old paperback, since it seems to have all the

answers and knows so much more than they do. Or maybe they really have read

it, but don't want the "secret" leaked out because then they couldn't get any

more of our money. Yeah, I bet that's it... They'll go to their graves with

the secret, but you will sell it to us for a mere $5.00. And who knows how

many other $5.00 secrets your old paperback contains-- heck, maybe even a few

$10.00 ones.



If I understand you correctly, you also have psoriasis. If this is the case,

then all your "efforts of endless searching out and testing of various

treatments" was for YOUR benefit. If your "secret miracle cure" has worked

for you,  then you've already received the reward for your efforts, so why

not share it freely? I have stated what has worked for me--that'll be $5.00,

please...



lcruz



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Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 23 Mar 1998 15:20:48 GMT

--------

For me it was diet...



I have to wonder about people who are constantly itching and constantly

breaking out with skin conditions, trying cream after cream, vinegars,

special soaps etc etc



After a while dont you need to think "What is going into my body to be

causing this thang"??



I'm not saying that EVERYONE with psoriasis has a food intolerance, but i

do believe that more people have to look at this option, because it is more

common than you think!



My psoriasis was on my chest, stomach, legs, back, arms and occasionally my

neck and head.  It used to drive me nuts!!  After trying everything along

with the cortisone creams and different soaps, vinegar, which would give me

temporary relief, it always come back..and always came back worse, or so it

seemed anyway..



After getting rid of wheat from my diet, my body has been completely free

of psoriasis for a year!...Im cured...Pretty cool huh?



Of course taking something like wheat completely out of your diet is

extremely difficult, and maybe impossible for some..And there are lots of

things where wheat hides..If you are thinking of trying a diet like

this...See you doctor, but there is also lots of good information on the

net.



haha..reading back I sound like an advertisement....but I'm not...Just want

people to be aware thats all.



Good luck to all....















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Subject: Re: Help ! Birch-syrup is it toxic ??

From: dmcd@ntr.net

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:18:11 -0600

--------





   Birch syrup is in no way toxic.... But it is pretty strong tasting. It

somewhat reminds me of eating raw molases. Its great in cooking but not

something you would want to put on your pancakes. I'm not familiar with the

research on it sue for cancer cells but i'm assuming that it would have to be

taken raw for that purpose, topically applied or injected(doubt it). No way

around the taste though.. Just mix some more water into it would be my

suggestion...





 As for cancer there is no miracle cure.... The only thing I've heard is from

my local herbalist treats some form of Cancers with Poke Root Tincture.. Not a

pleasent or safe treatment and he dosent reccomend it for everyone. Speak to a

trained herbalist before trying that... A wrong dose will kill you...



Dan McDonley

dmcd@ntr.net









In article <01bd5454$8dac3060$LocalHost@denne-computer>,

  "Jan Schitt Larsen" <artlight@post6.tele.dk> wrote:

>

> Hi

> My mother is very sick (cancer), and now in desperation, Im trying if

> syrup from the sap of a birch- (tree)  might help her . Ive heard just a

> few days ago that in sweden some positive results with birchsugar against

> cancercells has been discovered. As my mother do not have much time, Im

> forced to just trying in this primitive way. Today I just got enough sap. I

> boiled away the water until it had the same consistency as maple syrup.

> Then I went to the hospital where she is being treated with x-rays this

> week, here we tasted the syrup together,  it was sweet alright with a taste

> or smell of something like melted beewacs . After the sweet taste came a

> quite bitter taste and this is worrying me a great deal. Im afraid it

> might be toxic  (prussic acid  ??)

>

> If you or some old people you know,knows something about the use of syrup

> from birch, I would be very happy to hear, and hopefully it wil make it

> possible for us to carry on !

> The only thing I know about birchsap is that here in Denmark it has been

> used for making birchwine, maybee in your culture it has been used for

> sirup or maybe folksmedicine,  please let me hear !

>

> Take care ,       Jan S. Larsen

>





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Subject: Herbs and Pregnancy

From: sindara@pobox.com (Sharon R. Saroff)

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 01:13:44 GMT

--------

Could someone provide me with a list of herbs that are dangerous or

not recommended for consumption when one is pregnant.



Thanks



Sharon





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Subject: Re: Herbs and Pregnancy

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 22 Mar 1998 10:35:51 GMT

--------



Sharon R. Saroff wrote in message <35146511.22825988@enews.newsguy.com>...

>Could someone provide me with a list of herbs that are dangerous or

>not recommended for consumption when one is pregnant.

>

>Thanks

>

>Sharon



Dear Sharon,



You are really asking a lot here!   I would be VERY careful about herbs

while pregnant.   The problem is that herbs have been used since time

immemorial, but as for real scientific studies of their effects and side

effects, and the effects in special situations such as pregnancy and

lactation, are few and far between for the simple reason that drug companies

usually conduct such studies, and they don't stand to make any money doing

tests on plants as a public service for folk medicine which they may see as

in conflict with their products anyway.



I would consult a real herbalist, or buy a good book on medicinal uses of

herbs.   I think Susun Weed has a book on herbs during pregnancy.   Look

into it.  Meanwhile, unless you get good advice from an experienced

herbalist, caution would be in order.



Regards, and best wishes for you and your child

Evelyn









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To: "Sharon R. Saroff" <sindara@pobox.com>

Subject: Re: Herbs and Pregnancy

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:51:53 -0800

--------

IMHO, You might want to switch the question around to what herbs are

safe to take, or better yet...state what you want to take, ask if it's

safe, or if there is a safer alternative route.  For example, if you

want to ease nausea, Ginger can provide relief and to the best of my

knowledge, is safe. I have read that whenever possible, local

applications, ie linements, etc. should be used in place of internal

medicines.  I hope this helps.



The mind is like a parachute...

it only functions when it's open.

Sharon R. Saroff wrote:



> Could someone provide me with a list of herbs that are dangerous or

> not recommended for consumption when one is pregnant.

>

> Thanks

>

> Sharon











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Subject: Re: Herbs and Pregnancy

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:49:39 -0600

--------

Here is a few....

Aloe Vera can be too laxative.

Angelica and rue stimulate oxytocin that causes uterine contractions.

Barberry, buckthorn, and cascara sagrada are too strong as laxatives. May cause stomach griping.

Buchu and juniper are too strong diuretics.

Comfrey--pyrrolizide content cannot be regulated or controlled for an absolutely safe source.

Ephedra, Ma Huang--too strong an antihistimine if used in extract or capsule form. It is gentle enough as a tea to relieve bronchial and chest congestion.

Horseradish--too strong for a baby.

Goldenseal, lovage, mugwort and wormwood are emmenagogues that causes uterine contractions.

Male Fern--too strong a vermifuge.

Mistletoe, tansy and wild ginger are emmenagogues that cause uterine contractions.

Pennyroyal--stimulates oxytocin that can cause abortion. May be used in the final weeks of pregnancy.

Rhubarb root, mandrake and senna are too strong laxatives.

Yarrow and shepherd's purse are strong astringents and mild abortifacients.



This is just a small list--I may be missing a few. Some of these in lower doses are okay during pregnancy. Be sure to speak with your herbalist before using any of them.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Sharon R. Saroff wrote in message <35146511.22825988@enews.newsguy.com>...

>Could someone provide me with a list of herbs that are dangerous or

>not recommended for consumption when one is pregnant.

>

>Thanks

>

>Sharon







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Subject: Re: Herbs and Pregnancy

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 24 Mar 1998 20:52:59 GMT

--------

sindara -- unless you know specifically that an herb (or any drug or other

substance) is meant for use during pregnancy Avoid it --



for more info look for



Wise woman herbal for the childbearing year by susan s weed



or



Hygeia by jeanne parvarti





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







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Subject: Re: Herbs and Pregnancy

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:02:18 -0500

--------

JiaStar wrote:

> 

> sindara -- unless you know specifically that an herb (or any drug or other substance) is meant for use during pregnancy Avoid it --

> 

> for more info look for Wise woman herbal for the childbearing year by susan s weed or Hygeia by jeanne parvarti

> 

> Blessed Be

> Jia Starsong





what are your concerns/ what are you looking for? what are you trying to

do?  Clarify this first, then ask, then research what is told you. Find

out thru newsgroups, websites, and especially, your doctor.



lemme know.



Choalayna

EnchanteD EncounterS

http://www.enchantedencounters.com

EnchanteD EncounterS Webring!

http://www.enchantedencounters.com/webring.htm









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Subject: St. Johns Wort (should I)

From: WoolyWoody@webtv.net

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:51:22 -0800

--------

I have bad anxiety and panic attacks.  I took Paxil for about a year and

it helped alot just nasty side effects.  Is there anyone out there that

is taking St John Wort of depression and anxiety? Does it work or would

I be wasting my time?

Please let me know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





==========

Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort (should I)

From: quester@sjm.infi.net (Harold Groot)

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:10:11 GMT

--------

On Sat, 21 Mar 1998 17:51:22 -0800, WoolyWoody@webtv.net wrote:



>I have bad anxiety and panic attacks.  I took Paxil for about a year and

>it helped alot just nasty side effects.  Is there anyone out there that

>is taking St John Wort of depression and anxiety? Does it work or would

>I be wasting my time?

>Please let me know!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



It has a reasonable chance of working.  Paxil, Zoloft and Prozac are

all antidepressants of the SSRI type (Selective Serotonin Reuptake

Inhibitor).  St. John's Wort is believed to be an NSRI - Nonselective

Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor.  If the Paxil was working for you, there

is a good chance SJW will - but it's not guarenteed, and it could be

that one of the other prescription drugs would be better for you.



I would suggest you discuss this with your doctor.  In any case he

would want to be monitoring you closely while any changes are made.

Perhaps it is as simple as adjusting the dosage of your Paxil.



Work =with= your doctor on this.  It's important.  People vary quite a

bit in how they respond to both prescription and non-prescription

remedies.









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Subject: Re: St. Johns Wort (should I)

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 22 Mar 1998 13:01:00 -0700

--------

WoolyWoody@webtv.net wrote:



>I have bad anxiety and panic attacks.  I took Paxil for about a year and

>it helped alot just nasty side effects.  Is there anyone out there that

>is taking St John Wort of depression and anxiety? Does it work or would

>I be wasting my time?

  A recent TV show on SJW, depression and the standard drug

therapys had an interesting statistic: although SJW was not

capable of effectively treaitng SEVERE depression, using it

allowed the dosage of the other drugs to be decreased

significantly.

  Talk to your physician, and be monitored closely if you decide

to take SJW so that you can decrease the dosage of the PAXIL as

needed.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: I need BULK CATNIP ...respond here if you are a Grower

From: hmmm@muny.com

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:07:25 GMT

--------

I need 100 lbs at a time and more very soon...High quality only for resale

to cats . Must be very appealing looking not toy grade





==========

Subject: Re: I need BULK CATNIP ...respond here if you are a Grower

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 22 Mar 1998 17:35:18 GMT

--------



hmmm@muny.com wrote in message ...

>I need 100 lbs at a time and more very soon...High quality only for resale

>to cats . Must be very appealing looking not toy grade





Hmmmm..... must be an awfully big cat.....(chuckle)



Evelyn









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Subject: N/A Herb Traditions...

From: "Preferred Customer" <drmiczak@myhost.com>

Date: 22 Mar 1998 16:44:04 GMT

--------

Hello,



I am looking for native American herbal traditions.... such as lore,

recipes, stories etc.  If you have some or know someone who does please

e-mail me here:



nativetraditions@rocketmail.com



I might not be able to get back to this board to see replys, so please

e-mail me. Thank you.



Anakee





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Subject: Where can I find Rhus toxin (Poison Ivy or Toxicodendron) extract?

From: "ep" <ep_take_this_out_icentre@usa.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:17:44 -0500

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X-no-archive: yes



I've read that Rhus toxin when applied to a wart may clear it, probably

through the body's immune response.  (Some leading edge dermatologists use

it, but not mine.)  Where can I find Rhus toxin in the US?  Health food

store, herb store, chemical supply company?



Thanks in advance.









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Subject: Re: Where can I find Rhus toxin (Poison Ivy or Toxicodendron) extract?

From: lauriem519@aol.com (Lauriem519)

Date: 25 Mar 1998 13:23:06 GMT

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>>'Ive read that Rhus toxin when applied to a wart may clear it, probably

through the body's immune response.  (Some leading edge dermatologists use

it, but not mine.)  Where can I find Rhus toxin in the US?  Health food

store, herb store, chemical supply company?



Thanks in advance.

>>



Rhus Toxicodendron is a homeopathic remedy that comes in sublingual pill form. 

I have not seen it in an extract form.  You should be able to get it at your

health food store.  If not, you can get it through a mail order catalouge

called The Vitamin Shoppe- 800-223-1216.  Do you think if you crushed the pill

and made some sort of paste it would work?  I don't know, just an honest

inquiry.



Laurie 





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Subject: Re: Where can I find Rhus toxin (Poison Ivy or Toxicodendron) extract?

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:51:49 GMT

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I'd rather have warts.  But if I really wanted some of the toxin, I'd

wander around the nearest park edges looking for 3 leaved shiny plants

and very carefully pick some of the leaves (with gloves on that I'd

toss afterward) and put them in a jar, crush them a bit (again

carefully and throw away the tool afterward), and make a tincture or

an oil  But I'd have to be awfully desperate about the warts to even

think of it.  There are lots and lots of home remedies I'd try first.

Bacon fat by the light of the full moon, then burying it until after

the new moon, for instance...  Lots of stuff works on warts.  No need

to start with toxins for something that can, often, be done in some

fun way.





If you want pseudo scientific, go for putting a drop of peroxide on it

a couple of times a day, rubbing off any dead top skin/crud first.  Or

cover them with nail polish (clear being least obtrusive) for a few

weeks, renewing it a couple of times a day, so they can't 'breathe.'







On Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:06:35 GMT, ross_nospam@together.net (Gary Ross)

wrote:



>The toxic component responsible for the irritan effect is urushiol.  FOr 

>curiosity, i didi a search on the Sigma Chemical catalog.  They don't have it. 

> And, if they don't have it, it's going to be hard to find.

>

>BTW, I WOULDN'T MESS WITH IT -- WARTS OR NOT.

>

>In article <1998032513230601.IAA10098@ladder01.news.aol.com>, 

>lauriem519@aol.com (Lauriem519) wrote:

>>>>'Ive read that Rhus toxin when applied to a wart may clear it, probably

>>through the body's immune response.  (Some leading edge dermatologists use

>>it, but not mine.)  Where can I find Rhus toxin in the US?  Health food

>>store, herb store, chemical supply company?

>>

>>Thanks in advance.

>>>>

>>

>>Rhus Toxicodendron is a homeopathic remedy that comes in sublingual pill form. 

>>I have not seen it in an extract form.  You should be able to get it at your

>>health food store.  If not, you can get it through a mail order catalouge

>>called The Vitamin Shoppe- 800-223-1216.  Do you think if you crushed the pill

>>and made some sort of paste it would work?  I don't know, just an honest

>>inquiry.

>>

>>Laurie 



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





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Subject: Re: Where can I find Rhus toxin (Poison Ivy or Toxicodendron) extract?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 29 Mar 1998 06:28:00 -0700

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>In article <1998032513230601.IAA10098@ladder01.news.aol.com>, 

>lauriem519@aol.com (Lauriem519) wrote:

>>>>'Ive read that Rhus toxin when applied to a wart may clear it, probably

>>through the body's immune response.  (Some leading edge dermatologists use

>>it, but not mine.)  Where can I find Rhus toxin in the US?  Health food

>>store, herb store, chemical supply company?

>>

>>Thanks in advance.

Laurie - 

  If it's being used by "leading edge" dermatologists, they are

probably ordering from a pharmaceutical company. The homeopathic

version is VERY dilute, and it's too nasty to mess with as a

do-it-yourself extract.



  Almost anything will work on getting rid of warts - there are

several OTC remedies containing salicylic acid (a protein

coagulant and irritant at the concentration used). The reason

warts last so long is that they manage to hide from the immune

system, so antibodies are not developed.  As a child I had quite

a few, damaged one physically in a bicycle wreck (exposing the

virus to the immune system) and they all went away within a

couple of months.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: aromatherapy

From: Patricia <misiek@sympatico.ca>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:18:38 -0800

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Does anybody know of any good e-zines or electronic newsletters about 

aromatherapy?



Patricia





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Subject: Re: aromatherapy

From: Ggrrr@pop3.concentric.net

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:56:40 -0600

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There's a ng, alt.aromatherapy that I go to.  It has a few annoying flame

wars going on but the people are pretty knowledgable.

            Mare



vocal wrote:



> Put me down for info request here too. Thanks.

> Peace, Kim

>

> Patricia wrote:

>

> > Does anybody know of any good e-zines or electronic newsletters about

> > aromatherapy?

> >

> > Patricia











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Subject: Re: aromatherapy

From: Newsletter Editor <newslettereditor@egw.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 12:08:58 -0800

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hello Patricia:



You might enjoy this article about aromatherapy at:

"http://www.naturalland.com/pcv/ar/arom.htm"

It even has recipes for massage oils and aromatic bath mixtures.

Kay



Patricia wrote:

> 

> Does anybody know of any good e-zines or electronic newsletters about

> aromatherapy?

> 

> Patricia





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Subject: Re: aromatherapy

From: steven@idma.com (Steven Katz)

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:40:11 GMT

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There's an aromatherapy mailing list.



To become a member, send mail to

   list@idma.com

and in the body of the message, put

   join aromatherapy





In article <35187e5d.725963311@news.accucomm.net>, gkk2001@accucomm.net 

(gkk2001) wrote:

>No I don't but would like to know myself.  If you find any, would you

>please let me know?  I'll do likewise for you.

>Many thanks,

>Greg

>gkk2001@accucomm.net

>

>On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:18:38 -0800, Patricia <misiek@sympatico.ca>

>wrote:

>

>>Does anybody know of any good e-zines or electronic newsletters about 

>>aromatherapy?

>>

>>Patricia

>

>gkk2001





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Subject: Catmint

From: Pamela Culp <pculp@gte.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:04:08 -0500

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Has anyone ever heard of catmint? I had seen catmint capsules some place

and wondered what they are used for?

Thanks

Pamm







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Subject: Re: Catmint

From: "lendee" <lendee@erinet.com>

Date: 23 Mar 1998 00:49:58 GMT

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Catnip is in the family of mints; hence, one of its other names is

'catmint'.  It is also known as catnep, catswort, and field balm.

Delores



Pamela Culp <pculp@gte.net> wrote in article

<6f48uk$qb6$1@gte2.gte.net>...

> Has anyone ever heard of catmint? I had seen catmint capsules some

place

> and wondered what they are used for?

> Thanks

> Pamm

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Catmint

From: HQQQ85A@prodigy.com (Amber Dragon)

Date: 23 Mar 1998 07:04:05 GMT

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I was at a nursery the other day where they

had catnip and catmint.

Maybe they were  the same and I didn't notice.

-Ariadne







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Subject: Re: Catmint

From: georg <the.whichwaydidhego.georg@servtech.NARF.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:20:27 -0500

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Amber Dragon wrote:

> 

> I was at a nursery the other day where they

> had catnip and catmint.

> Maybe they were  the same and I didn't notice.

> -Ariadne



Catnip is different than catmint. Catmint grows more as a creeper, and

catnip is a bushy plant. They are members of the same family, and have

similar effects on cats. Don't know about humans though.



-georg

non ani sunt permittendi





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To: Amber Dragon <HQQQ85A@prodigy.com>

Subject: Re: Catmint

From: Paul F Austin <paustin@digital.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 02:57:32 GMT

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Amber Dragon wrote:



> I was at a nursery the other day where they

> had catnip and catmint.

> Maybe they were  the same and I didn't notice.

> -Ariadne



Nope, catnip is nepeta cataria and catmint is nepeta x faassenii,

according to Taylor's Guide to Herbs. Catmint, when I've seen it

for sale, has smaller leaves and more flowers than catnip and the cats

don't seem to like it as much as catnip.



--

Conscience is that quiet little voice that says "Someone may be

watching."



Martha Steuart

paustin@digital.net









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Subject: Re: Catmint

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:53:26 -0500

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Well, you need to be a little careful.  There are plant species in the same

genus, Nepeta, that are sold as "catmint" but don't attract cats, or have

the same aroma, or the same herbal properties.  There is even a species

called "Japanese catnip" (Schizonepeta tenuifolia) that doesn't look, smell,

taste or act like catnip at all - it's much more similar to a strong

menthol-scented mint - but is simply called "catnip" because the botanists

say the flowers are similar (hence the genus name).  Yet another reason to

*be careful* about (avoid if possible) "common" names.



-RJO



Amber Dragon wrote in message

<6f51h5$2ioe$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...

>I was at a nursery the other day where they

>had catnip and catmint.

>Maybe they were  the same and I didn't notice.

>-Ariadne

>









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Subject: Re: Catmint

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 23 Mar 1998 12:07:12 GMT

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Hi Pamm, I have loads of catnip on my propety and I use it mainly as a tea.It

is very good for nerves,nervous tension . I enjoy a cup or two at the end of a

busy hectic day.Catnip grows just about anywhere--at least out by me.I have

discovered it in between the cracks in sidewalks in the city.Get a book from

the library(or if anyone out there knows of an area on where to identify plants

on the internet)and get outdoors and enjoy yourself looking for this plant.Then

go home and kick back and enjoy your tea! Peacefully,Marianne

   P.S.  Catnip is good for insomnia,fevers and colds,diarrhea





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To: Magda2 <magda2@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Catmint

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:39:53 -0500

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Dear Magda,



Pam Wrote:



> Has anyone ever heard of catmint? I had seen catmint capsules some place

> and wondered what they are used for?

> Thanks

> Pamm



You replied:

> Hi Pamm, I have loads of catnip on my propety.....



I grow catnip and have heard of catmint. Are these the same herbs?

Do they have the same properties, uses?

Thank you.

Rosemarie





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Subject: Arthritis help wanted

From: Pamela Culp <pculp@gte.net>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:12:32 -0500

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I have been reading the posts here and though maybe someone could give

me advice on herbs to take for my arthritis also wonder if there are any

herbs for pain?

I am a 44 year old female with arthritis both of my knees are shot no

cartilage left at all but due to my age (my doctor says I am to young)

my doctor refused to do a double knee replacement. My problem seems to

be genetic my cartilage is just disintegrating and my other joints are

starting to be effected. I do take pain pills but who wants to take pain

pills forever? I am looking into other doctors in hopes of getting the

knees replaced but still need to find something that will help the rest

of my joints.

Any advice will be appreciated

Pamm







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Subject: Re: Arthritis help wanted

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 23 Mar 1998 02:18:25 GMT

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Pamela,



Please get the book "The Arthritis Cure"  it may be the best thing you ever

did.   It suggests Chondroitin and Glucosamine Sulfate as aids to rebuilding

your cartilage.  It has helped a couple of people I know of.   They sell it

in health food stores, or mail order at "the Vitamin Shoppe" in North Bergen

NJ.  you can get the number from information, it is an 800 number



Regards,

Evelyn





Pamela Culp wrote in message <6f49ec$qb6$2@gte2.gte.net>...

>I have been reading the posts here and though maybe someone could give

>me advice on herbs to take for my arthritis also wonder if there are any

>herbs for pain?

>I am a 44 year old female with arthritis both of my knees are shot no

>cartilage left at all but due to my age (my doctor says I am to young)

>my doctor refused to do a double knee replacement. My problem seems to

>be genetic my cartilage is just disintegrating and my other joints are

>starting to be effected. I do take pain pills but who wants to take pain

>pills forever? I am looking into other doctors in hopes of getting the

>knees replaced but still need to find something that will help the rest

>of my joints.

>Any advice will be appreciated

>Pamm

>









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Subject: Re: Arthritis help wanted

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 02:55:37 GMT

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Greetings,



I'm glad you're seeking a second opinion and, one hopes, a better 

doctor! Because your cartilage is in such bad shape, I don't know if 

glucosamine sulfate would be able to help, but you should look into it. 

It's gotten a lot of good study and approval for people with joint 

problems. As to pain control, you might consider also checking into 

acupuncture. Not sure if herbs alone would be able to help pain such as 

yours, although there is lots of stuff to deal with stress, fever, 

inflammations, etc.



But you've got to be careful when combining any medication with herbs 

and supplements. Sometimes drugs, supplements and herbs will sort of 

cancel each other out or reduce each other's benefits. Even taking two 

kinds of herbal compounds at the same time could backfire.



Your best bet is to find a good, open-minded doctor willing to look at 

alternative medicine to complement conventional treatment, if that's 

what you need. A good site that incorporates alternative and 

conventional health advice (and can even help you find the right 

practitioner in a variety of medical disciplines) is 

http://cgi.pathfinder.com/drweil/



Good luck,

C.L. Getz

In article <6f49ec$qb6$2@gte2.gte.net>, pculp@gte.net wrote:



>I have been reading the posts here and though maybe someone could give

>me advice on herbs to take for my arthritis also wonder if there are any

>herbs for pain?

>I am a 44 year old female with arthritis both of my knees are shot no

>cartilage left at all but due to my age (my doctor says I am to young)

>my doctor refused to do a double knee replacement. My problem seems to

>be genetic my cartilage is just disintegrating and my other joints are

>starting to be effected. I do take pain pills but who wants to take pain

>pills forever? I am looking into other doctors in hopes of getting the

>knees replaced but still need to find something that will help the rest

>of my joints.

>Any advice will be appreciated

>Pamm

>





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





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Subject: Re: Arthritis help wanted

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:52:36 -0600

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Diet change is the single most beneficial thing you can do to control any kind of arthritis. A good, alkalizing diet can prevent or neutralize arthritis even in long-standing cases.

Go on a fasting detoxification program that teaches proper nutrition and maintains blood sugar levels.



Add these foods to your diet:

artichokes, cherries, cabbages, basic cereal grains (rice, oats and corn), cold water fish, fresh fruits and vegetables, leafy greens, onions and garlic, olive oil, sweet potatoes, squashes, eggs, and parsley.



Avoid these foods:

refined foods, saturated fatty foods from meat and dairy products, wheat pastries and other high gluten foods that are also high in sugar, cholesterol and fat. Nightshade family foods such as peppers, eggplant, tomatoes, and potatoes; mustard, salty foods, caffeine, colas, chocolate and highly spiced foods.



Take Evening Primrose Oil daily (4-6)

Ginger capsules daily (4)

Turmeric caps (4)

Try ginger compresses for pain. Add fresh ground ginger to a bowl of hot water. The water should be "dirty" looking. Soak a washcloth in the water and apply to affected areas until it cools down. Reapply as needed.

Take good anti-oxidants.

Try royal jelly/ginseng 2 teaspoons daily.

Take a good calcium supplement--preferably liquid calcium. Not a calcium made from oyster or egg shells. Our bodies don't assimilate shells. Use a calcium with Vitamin D. 

Try shark cartilage.



Massage therapy, hot and cold hydrotherapy, epsom salt baths, chiropractic treatments, and overheating therapy are all effective.

There are also herbal formulas out there that help with arthritis. Just remember diet is the number one key.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Arthritis help wanted

From: "Joyce Lovell" <joyce@clandjop.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:54:24 -0800

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red willow bark is real good for arthritis or any inflamatory conditions and

white oak bark is good for pain









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Subject: Re: Arthritis help wanted

From: sycamore@webtv.net

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:37:57 -0600

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I have lots of White Oak trees.  How would I go about doing that?

















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Subject: Re: Arthritis help wanted

From: "Joyce Lovell" <joyce@clandjop.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:20:54 -0800

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Red willow bark is great for inflamation of arthritis when the inflamation

is gone there won't be any pain-but feverfew is good for both inflamation &

pain









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Subject: Weight Gain??

From: Lone1@rem.netcom.com (~Lithium~)

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:10:47 GMT

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Are there any herbs that can help with weight gain?  I have been

trying unsuccessfully to gain weight for several years.  This is for

bodybuilding purposes.  I am fairly active but also eat 5-7 times

daily without any weight gain whatsoever.  



Please remove rem from e-mail address to reply





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Subject: Re: Weight Gain??

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 23 Mar 1998 06:10:00 -0700

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Lone1@rem.netcom.com (~Lithium~) wrote:



>Are there any herbs that can help with weight gain?  I have been

>trying unsuccessfully to gain weight for several years.  This is for

>bodybuilding purposes.  I am fairly active but also eat 5-7 times

>daily without any weight gain whatsoever.  

  

 You could be doing such a strenous workout regimen that your

body doesn't have time to build extra because it's too busy

fixing the tissues you broke. Work out less, and eat more

high-calorie foods.



  Another, perhaps faster method is to stop or severely decrease

any workouts for a few weeks: play couch potato and eat a fairly

high-fat high-starch diet. Once you have a few pounds of fat

stored on your body you can go back to working out.  You may have

to repeat this cycle.  It's a technique that I've seen used for

show horses: they can't be fat, but they build muscle faster with

this routine than with steady exercise.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Echinacea and Breastfeeding

From: Jacqueline Lau <jacjac@pacific.net.sg>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:29:26 +0800

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Hi!!



I am breastfeeding my 6-month old and we both come down with mild cold. 

I read from another newsgroup that echinacea is safe to take during

lactation.  I'd taken five 250 mg tablets in 36 hours and I feel a lot

better.  Now somebody is telling me it's unsafe to take while lactating,

I'm confused.  Could anyone help?



-- 

Jacqueline

mom to Cyrus, born 24/9/97

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/3608





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Breastfeeding

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:04:39 -0600

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Echinacea is fine to take during pregnancy and while breastfeeding.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Breastfeeding

From: djudge6453@aol.com (DJudge6453)

Date: 23 Mar 1998 16:50:11 GMT

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I took echinacea while breastfeeding...I was told not to take goldenseal

though.  Before I took anything...I always called Bastyr University in Seattle.

 They have a phone number where you can leave a question and students, along

with naturopathic physicians would get the answer and call you back.  They also

have a clinic.  It is a cutting edge University for Alternative Treatments.  I

also highly recommend the book.."Smart Medicine for a Healthier Child" by Janet

Zand, Rachel Walton, and Bob Roundtree.  It has natural and conventional

treatments for just about every ailment on the planet.  It has helped me

tremendously.  Good luck and stay well!

Debra





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Subject: Reindeer moss

From: richard <witherden@zetnet.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 11:27:44 GMT

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I seek info on medicinal applications of reindeer moss (Cladonia 

rangiferina or C.alpestris).  There is nothing in my "I Spy Herbs 

book" but I am told that Laps use it.

Rick

-- 

witherden@zetnet.co.uk      omnia vinces perseverando

 







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Subject: Re: Reindeer moss

From: dmcd@ntr.net

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:37:51 -0600

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In article <1998032311274471380@zetnet.co.uk>,

  richard <witherden@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:

>

> I seek info on medicinal applications of reindeer moss (Cladonia

> rangiferina or C.alpestris).  There is nothing in my "I Spy Herbs

> book" but I am told that Laps use it.

> Rick

> --

> witherden@zetnet.co.uk      omnia vinces perseverando

>

>



    I've found no uses in anything I've ever read regarding medical use of

reinder Moss Cladonia rangiferina. But I know from personal Experience it is

edible.. Just boil with one change of water. Make sure you remove the roots. I

tried them with rock tripe also. I liked the rock tripe better and my freind

liked the reinder Moss better (actually a lichen also). Both are pretty bland

though..

  If you do find anything let us all know!!



Dan McDonley





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Subject: Re: Herbs and Pregnancy Oops posted twice

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 23 Mar 1998 12:10:56 GMT

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Also check out 'Herbal Healing for Women",Rosemary Gladstar.Excellent book for

women and has a large section on pregnancy.; before and after.Good luck!



               Marianne





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Subject: Treatment for Rosacea?

From: "Leon Joseph" <LEONJOS@prodigy.net>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:07:08 -0500

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Does anyone have a topical treatment for Rosacea.

Leon

White Plains, NY









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Subject: Re: Treatment for Rosacea?

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 07:57:01 -0600

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Skin heals from the inside out. Diet and nutrition are important for healthy skin.

I suggest a fasting Detoxification Program. Start with Detoxifying, then keep your diet sugar-free. Reduce fats and concentrated proteins--like red meats. Add Omega-3 rich flax oil in your salad dressings. Take Evening Primrose Oil caps as a source of Essential Fatty Acids. Add B complex vitamins--100mg daily. Take antioxidants like beta-carotene 100,000IU daily, vitamin E 400IU with selenium 200mcg daily.

Try applying grapefruit seed extract and take the capsules internally as an effective anti-biotic treatment for the skin.

Drink Pau d' arco tea 3 to 4 cups daily as an anti-infective or take Pau d' arco/echinacea extract to flush fats from the blood stream.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Skin sensitivity and St John's Wort? Other herbs?

From: damn.spammers@no.more.email.addresses

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:12:41 GMT

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Since taking St John's Wort over the past two months, have noticed

that I seem to perspire a lot more and my skin seems to be a lot more

sensitive (rashes, touch of acne, etc), and "burny".



I know about staying out of the sun -- the photosensitivity aspect --

so I'm very careful there.



Is this a coincidence, or is there some correlation? 



I'm not taking any other drugs, but do also take ginkgo, siberian

ginseng, evening primrose oil, ginger, and salmon oil -- which I've

been on for the past two years, fairly religiously. Never had a sweaty

problem during this time.



All I can say is that since taking the SJW, my moods seem to have

stabilised, I seem to be less angry most of the rime, less

up-and-down, am sleeping much better, and having fantastic dreams

(maybe I just remember them better). Creativity seems to have

increased, too.



I like the new placid me. Let's hope it stays this way. <g>

















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Subject: Growing St. Johns Wort and Milk Thistle...

From: bacafe@earthlink.net

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:22:11 -0600

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Hello,

I'm in central Texas and I want to start a medical grade St. Johns

Wort(hypericum) and Milk Thistle (sillimarin) garden....please email me if you

have experience

growing these plants...

also looking for seed...

Thanks

Jim

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Subject: Info about St. John's Wort Please!!!!

From: "ToXiN" <vberfelo@istar.ca>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:33:23 GMT

--------

I want to take St. John's Wort for depression and I have heard some great

stuff about it. But I don't really know enough about it yet. Like how much

do I take, pills, or something else, what happens and how will I change,

whats the photosensitivity thing? can anyone help me please??



thanks



Love, Light, and Laughter...



Toxie









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Subject: Re: Info about St. John's Wort Please!!!!

From: djudge6453@aol.com (DJudge6453)

Date: 23 Mar 1998 16:46:13 GMT

--------

>

>



Toxie:  There is a pletora of info on the web...do a search and it is all at

your fingertips!!!  There are also books in the library and at bookstores.  SJW

works differently for everyone...some are not affected and some are.  If you

read all of the information you will learn how much to take and through

experience will learn what is right for you.  No one here can say what

will/will not work for you!!  Happy reading!

Debra





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Subject: Re: Info about St. John's Wort Please!!!!

From: Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:55:37 -0800

--------

ToXiN wrote:

> 

> I want to take St. John's Wort for depression and I have heard some great

> stuff about it. But I don't really know enough about it yet. Like how much

> do I take, pills, or something else, what happens and how will I change,

> whats the photosensitivity thing? can anyone help me please??

> 

> thanks

> 

> Love, Light, and Laughter...

> 

> Toxie

Try http://www.hypericum.com/



I'll be wildcrating SJW if you want to buy some in June to make 

your own tincture or herbs.

-- 

rgrace@intergate.bc.ca





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Subject: urtica in bulk....must be organic

From: "herbs" <herbs@intekom.co.za>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:12:10 +0200

--------

i am looking for a source of organic urtica urens









==========

Subject: Re: urtica in bulk....must be organic

From: richard <witherden@zetnet.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:11:48 GMT

--------

I can offer U. dioica 











-- 

witherden@zetnet.co.uk      omnia vinces perseverando

 







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Subject: Re: urtica in bulk....must be organic

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:20:06 GMT

--------

On Mon, 23 Mar 1998 21:12:10 +0200, "herbs" <herbs@intekom.co.za> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>i am looking for a source of organic urtica urens



Why Urtica urens? It's an annual, very small, and has stingers from here clear

into the fifth universe. Whereas Urtica dioica is a perennial, grows in large

colonies, and doesn't sting half as bad.

So, why would you specifically want a plant that's much less prolific and much

fiercer at defending itself?

Especially as you can use Urtica dioica the same way as Urtica urens...



...and when you ask for organic Urtica you should be aware that overfeeding any

stinging nettles with manure (eg. when they grow on the heap of sheepdung) they

concentrate nitrates (or was it nitrites? I forget), not something which you

would want. Instead you might wish to ask for quality wildcrafted nettles, from

not overly lush places.



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Dong Quai (Root) Question

From: schatzic@aol.com (SchatziC)

Date: 23 Mar 1998 21:11:29 GMT

--------

I am using a compound to clean up a candida (yeast) overgrowth.  Six capsules a

day have the Usual:  240 mg each of Pau D'Arco (inner bark), Grapefruit Seed

Extract, Garlic (blub) and Licroice (root).



Mentioned in the list of "Other ingredients" are besides the gelatin:   tea

tree oil, whole rice concentrate, DONG QUAI (ROOT), fennel (seed) and magnesium

stearate.



I am guessing the latter listing is in minute amounts, but am wondering if

there is anything here that might cause headaches, which I NEVER get.  I am

getting these at bedtime right after I take my second dose of 3 capsules. 

Looking suspicously at DONG QUAI because I don't know it and have never taken

it.



Any thoughts?



SchatziC@aol.com





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Subject: Re: Dong Quai (Root) Question

From: mstjohn007@aol.com (MStjohn007)

Date: 24 Mar 1998 20:50:28 GMT

--------

It is hard to say, as there are a few of these herbs that can occasionally show

different minute side-effects or conditions...I would recommend, however, a

product called "Candistroy"  by a company named Nature's Secret....We use this

product in our stores more than any others for Candida, as most of the people

that we have coming in test well for it....I'm sure that you can find it at a

local health-food store...By the way, I do not work for the company! 8)





==========

Subject: Re: Dong Quai (Root) Question

From: hhealth@global.co.za.X

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:19:11 GMT

--------

schatzic@aol.com (SchatziC) wrote:



<snip>

>if there is anything here that might cause headaches, which I NEVER get.  I am

>getting these at bedtime right after I take my second dose of 3 capsules. 

>Looking suspicously at DONG QUAI because I don't know it and have never taken

>it.

>

>Any thoughts?

>

>SchatziC@aol.com





Hi Schatzi - I use dong quai for pms.  One thing I've experienced is a

sense of calm and ease, definitely no headaches, in fact the reverse. 



I suffer from frequent headaches (pretty much daily) and I've found

that when I'm using dong quai my headaches are less intense as well as

less frequent.  Of course I'm not a practitioner so I can't

tell you anything other than my personal experience of the herb.



I've included an extract from the HYPERHEALTH Natural Health

Encyclopedia CD regarding dong quai.



If you have any doubts about your medication - naturopathic or

allopathic - ask your doctor immediately, or even get a second

(professional) opinion.



As dong quai is a traditional chinese medicinal (TCM) herb you should

try and get in touch with a TCM practitioner for advice/guidance.



Hope it helps.



---



DONG QUAI

=========



Also known as:	Dong Quei;  Tang Kuei



Description

-----------

Chinese Herb that tastes similar to Celery and functions similarly to

Angelica.



Botanical Name:	Angelica polymorpha

		Angelica sinensis



Part Used:	Root



Health Benefits of Dong Quai

----------------------------



Cardiovascular System

---------------------

Dong Quai lowers Blood Pressure in persons afflicted with Hypertension

by dilating the Blood Vessels (due to Coumarins) [scientific

research].



Sexual Function - Females

-------------------------

Dong Quai alleviates Anaemia related to Menstruation.

Dong Quai assists females through the transition of Menopause.

Dong Quai alleviates Pre-Menstrual Tension (PMT).



Dong Quai Contain these Substances

----------------------------------

Carbohydrates:		Sucrose			

Carotenoids:		Beta-Carotene			

Coumarins:		Oxypeucedanin		Osthole	

			Imperatorin			

Furocoumarins:		Bergapten		Psoralen	

Lipids:			Terpenes:		Sesquiterpenes	

Organic Acids:		Angelic Acid			

Vitamins		Vitamin A		Vitamin B12

			Vitamin E			

Volatile Oils:		Carvacrol		Safrol

			Isosafrol

Other:			Angelicone		Cadinene



Dosage Recommendations

----------------------

Most herbalists recommend 6 - 18 grams of dried Dong Quai root per day

for therapeutic purposes.



Commercial Availability of Dong Quai

------------------------------------

Oral Dong Quai preparations are available from health food and

nutrition outlets in the form of dried Dong Quai root;  liquid

extract;  tincture;  and capsules/tablets in potencies ranging from

500 mg to 750 mg per capsule/tablet.



See Also:  Angelica



Copyright 1996 In-Tele-Health



---







Helen, Cape Town

hhealth@global.co.za

Spam Stopper: To reply, remove the ".X" part of my Reply To address





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Subject: Re: Dong Quai (Root) Question

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:36:42 -0500

--------

SchatziC wrote:

> 

> I am using a compound to clean up a candida (yeast) overgrowth.  Six capsules a

> day have the Usual:  240 mg each of Pau D'Arco (inner bark), Grapefruit Seed

> Extract, Garlic (blub) and Licroice (root).

> 

> Mentioned in the list of "Other ingredients" are besides the gelatin:   tea

> tree oil, whole rice concentrate, DONG QUAI (ROOT), fennel (seed) and magnesium

> stearate.

> 

> I am guessing the latter listing is in minute amounts, but am wondering if

> there is anything here that might cause headaches, which I NEVER get.  I am

> getting these at bedtime right after I take my second dose of 3 capsules.

> Looking suspicously at DONG QUAI because I don't know it and have never taken

> it.

> 

> Any thoughts?

> 

> SchatziC@aol.com





I would most agree that it is not the Dong Quai, check out tho the

properties of the Licrorice. And BTW, why are you taking it anyway? I it

is not a long term root or leaf to take for long periods.



Choalayna

EnchanteD EncounterS

http://www.enchantedencounters.com









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Subject: cholesterol

From: "Bob Ratliff" <bobratliff@ti.com>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:45:26 -0600

--------

What are the cholesterol lowering herbs?





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To: Candace Matthessohn <tippi@earthling.net>

Subject: Re: Diuretic - Friend On Blood Pressure Medication Seeks Over-Counter Diuretic.  Thanks!

From: Jonathan Byron <jbyron@junix.ju.edu>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:48:47 -0500

--------

Green tea is a diuretic, and may also inhibit Angiotensin, which

contributes to high blood pressure.  Can't say that it is strong enough

for all people with high blood pressure, though. Monitor and work with

your doctor. 



Also, increase potassium and magnesium. Lots of potassium in bananas

and  orange juice. Magnesium is probably easier to get via supplements. 



All the best,  Jonathan





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Subject: St John's Wort - side effects for women?

From: "Ron M. Kleiner" <rkleiner@coe.uga.edu>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:54:16 -0500

--------

(Obviously I am writing this on behalf of someone else...)



To women who are (or were) taking St John's Wort:  Have you noticed any

effect on your monthly cycle (less/more bleeding, ealier/later period,

less/more cramps, etc.)?  Are you also on The Pill?



Forgive me if this is too personal...



Thanks,

Ron











==========

Subject: Re: St John's Wort - side effects for women?

From: vivacafe@aol.com (Vivacafe)

Date: 29 Mar 1998 19:11:28 GMT

--------

I don't know if it's related to SJW, but I have been experiencing unusual

periods for the past four months.  I'm also taking Loestrin (birth control

pill).  I've been on SJW for almost a year and Loestrin for about seven years. 

With Loestrin my periods have gradually become lighter and shorter and then the

past four months nothing.  Last month a week after I was supposed to have it, 

I had breakthrough bleeding pretty heavy for a couple of days.  So I'm

wondering if there is a connection? 





==========

Subject: Cayenne question

From: caGe <guz@idt.net>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:18:34 -0800

--------

Hi all,



I would like to supplement with Cayenne, but even the

lowest strength gives me heartburn.  I've found that

taking calcium at the same time as the Cayenne does

away with the discomfort, but does doing this negate

the beneficial effects (i.e. in the bloodstream) of

this herb?



TIA,

jg





==========

Subject: Re: Cayenne question

From: ccjgs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 09:51:43 GMT

--------

I take an ounce of mixed brans (wheat, oat, barley) a day

and mix in cayenne, garlic, turmeric as required.  The bran

mix can be suspened in orange juice mixed with a carbonated

beverage.  The bubbles suspend the bran (plus extras) into

a slurry/creamy mix, that you can just drink down.



The bubbles suspending the bran particles is called flocclation.

The bran is good for you.  Doseages for garlic and cayenne are

circa one hundredth of an ounce per day.  This is easy to measure

as 1 oz of bran a day, is 30 ounces of bran a month, so you just

add 30 times your desired daily dose to the 30 ozs of bran.



Using with bran might just help prevent heartburn.



caGe (guz@idt.net) wrote:

: Hi all,

: 

: I would like to supplement with Cayenne, but even the

: lowest strength gives me heartburn.  I've found that

: taking calcium at the same time as the Cayenne does

: away with the discomfort, but does doing this negate

: the beneficial effects (i.e. in the bloodstream) of

: this herb?

: 

: TIA,

: jg



-- 

-------------



J.G.Simpson@bristol.ac.uk



-------------





==========

Subject: vinegar and honey benefits as diet supplement?

From: "willieB" <bostwick@antigopro.net>

Date: 24 Mar 1998 12:44:23 GMT

--------

vinegar and honey benefits as diet supplement?





==========

Subject: What kind of herbs do you recomend for.....

From: hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U)

Date: 24 Mar 1998 15:30:46 GMT

--------



     SOmeone with a black thumb?



  Raven at    raven_d@hotmail.com







==========

Subject: Re: What kind of herbs do you recomend for.....

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:02:45 GMT

--------

Raven,



Depends on whether you want to grow 'em outside or inside and for which 

purposes would you prefer? Cooking, medicinal, etc?



C..L. Getz

>

>     SOmeone with a black thumb?

>

>  Raven at    raven_d@hotmail.com

>





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





==========

Subject: Re: What kind of herbs do you recomend for.....

From: hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U)

Date: 24 Mar 1998 21:50:20 GMT

--------



     I was hoping for inside herbs this year and if they live I'll do outdoor

herbs next year.



  Raven at    raven_d@hotmail.com







==========

Subject: Re: What kind of herbs do you recomend for.....

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:47:04 GMT

--------

My experience has chiefly been with culinary herbs grown outside - 

but rosemary, sage and thyme are all pretty sturdy, grow well indoors 

with not much effort and have other uses besides for cooking. They're in 

the sun/not much water/poor soil crowd. And mints I've found easy, 

they're in the not much sun/more water/richer soil category. Scented 

geraniums are fun because you can get varieties that smell like almost 

anything you can think of, and with sun, regular but not constant 

watering and a little fertilizer once in a while, stand up to some 

neglect pretty well, too.



There's plenty of herb books available at your local library or 

bookstore. But I like to go to a good local nursery or county 

agriculture extension office - a knowledgeable person there is likely to 

know a lot about local conditions and what will work for you - for 

instance, I live in a part of the country so dry that giant sucking 

sound is what the air makes as I step out of the shower :>), so I have 

to water my indoor plants a lot more then when I lived where it was more 

humid (and potted plants generally need more water than in-the-ground). 

And the air is thinner here so the sun is way brighter, etc., etc.



One good all-around gardening web site I've found is (brace yourself): 

http://www.pathfinder.com/@@yyirHgQArw@DwEC8/vg/ that's for Virtual 

Garden. there may be a shorter URL for it, but I've got it bookmarked as 

that. It's got great links.



Happy hunting,

C.L. Getz



  

>

>

>     I was hoping for inside herbs this year and if they live I'll do outdoor

>herbs next year.

>

>  Raven at    raven_d@hotmail.com

>





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





==========

Subject: Re: What kind of herbs do you recomend for.....

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 24 Mar 1998 19:18:00 -0700

--------

hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) wrote:

>     SOmeone with a black thumb?

You are probably tring to grow them in the wrong spot - they are

basically7 hardy plants.  Most herbs are hard to grow indoors -

they like it better outside.



  Where do you live?  If you get adequate rainfall, mint is

impossible to kill and becomes a weed.

  In a slightly drier, sunny climate - rosemary is immortal, and

the sages would do well.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Red Sage, is anybody growing

From: "tomsfarm" <tomsfarm@earthlink.net>

Date: 24 Mar 1998 15:59:31 GMT

--------

Has anyone had any luck with growing RED SAGE in the areas 

of Zone 5-6 in the Eastern U.S.

What is the yearly regrowth after winter.







==========

Subject: Re: Red Sage, is anybody growing

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:44:56 -0500

--------

tomsfarm wrote in message <01bd573e$2f009c80$d7390e26@default>...

>Has anyone had any luck with growing RED SAGE in the areas

>of Zone 5-6 in the Eastern U.S.

>What is the yearly regrowth after winter.

>



Tom, what is the red sage you are referring to?  I've got some Salvia

miltorrhiza (a traditional Chinese medicine often called Red Sage) growing

outside that is already doing nicely after our relatively mild winter here

in Florida.  I'm sure from what I've read it would do fine a lot further

north.  But the common name "Red Sage" can refer to any number of species

and varieties of Salvia, some of which (like the ornamental Scarlet Sage

grown everywhere in flower beds) are short-lived tropical perennials grown

in the US as annuals.  That one would not likely survive the winter north of

Zone 8, and there only with protection from the frost.



-RJO











==========

Subject: Re: Red Sage, is anybody growing

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:45:05 -0500

--------

tomsfarm wrote:

> 

> Has anyone had any luck with growing RED SAGE in the areas

> of Zone 5-6 in the Eastern U.S.

> What is the yearly regrowth after winter.



Zone 5-6, full sun, prune at spring and autumn, bring indoors at winter,

Also refers to variegated and purple too if you please.

"nuff said?



Choalayna

EnchanteD EncounterS

http://www.enchantedencounters.com









==========

Subject: Hoofmaker for Nails??

From: johnna@interchg.ubc (Miranda's Magic)

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:15:30 GMT

--------

[spam-foiling return address in effect, see signature for details to

reply]



I'm having problems with my nails splitting and the top layers flaking

off.  I've taken silica for a year and that has improved the toughness

(ie. thickness) of my nails but they still split and flake a lot.

Someone suggested I try something called "Hoofmaker", and I was

wondering if anyone had used it and could relay their experiences with

it.



Thanks!









==========

Subject: Re: Hoofmaker for Nails??

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 25 Mar 1998 01:13:22 GMT

--------



Miranda's Magic wrote in message <6f8m6h$kbm$1@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>...

>[spam-foiling return address in effect, see signature for details to

>reply]

>

>I'm having problems with my nails splitting and the top layers flaking

>off.  I've taken silica for a year and that has improved the toughness

>(ie. thickness) of my nails but they still split and flake a lot.

>Someone suggested I try something called "Hoofmaker", and I was

>wondering if anyone had used it and could relay their experiences with

>it.

>

>Thanks!

>



Hi,



I have thin, brittle, flaky, splitting, flimsy nails.   I have tried

everything under the sun including hoofmaker cream.   The only thing that

ever worked for me, besides giving up on them altogether and using acrylic

overlays, was taking gelatin packets, you know those little flavored packets

that Knox makes?   It takes a long time, since you have to take them for a

couple months for the new growth to reach the end, but it really did help.

The winter is the worst.   Right now they are less than an eighth of an inch

long.   Having hands in water and loss of moisture in dry heated winter air,

all create problems.   The hoofmaker is a moisturizer and helps that way.



Evelyn













==========

Subject: Re: Hoofmaker for Nails??

From: geraldine@clara.stockingnet (Geraldine )

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 14:19:26 GMT

--------

On 25 Mar 1998 01:13:22 GMT, "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

wrote:



>

>I have thin, brittle, flaky, splitting, flimsy nails.   I have tried

>everything under the sun including hoofmaker cream.   The only thing that

>ever worked for me, besides giving up on them altogether and using acrylic

>overlays, was taking gelatin packets, you know those little flavored packets

>that Knox makes?   It takes a long time, since you have to take them for a

>couple months for the new growth to reach the end, but it really did help.

>The winter is the worst.   Right now they are less than an eighth of an inch

>long.   Having hands in water and loss of moisture in dry heated winter air,

>all create problems.   The hoofmaker is a moisturizer and helps that way.



Hi,



Thanks for the information;  just a little more, please.



How do you take it?  Do you make up the gelatine and eat the jelly, or

do you just eat the granules?



Regards,



Geraldine.





--

sometimes i sits & thinks and sometimes i just sits



remove Clara's stocking to e-mail me





==========

Subject: Re: Hoofmaker for Nails??

From: Anne Rocchio <anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:41:13 -0500

--------

The Puddies wrote:

> It is a mix for a drink.  A bit granulated, but you just mix it with a glass

> of water and drink it up every day.

> 

> Evelyn





Hi!



Just had to add that I've used the gelatin approach, and it does work,

for both hair and nails!  (I have hair to my waist!)



I found that the knox packets can really add up in price, though, so I

get unflavoured crystals from my local health food store (in bulk) and

mix it with fruit juice - costs ALOT less, in the long run, and saves on

much unnecessary packaging!



Cheers!

Anne





==========

Subject: Re: Hoofmaker for Nails??

From: geraldine@clara.stockingnet (Geraldine )

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:14:16 GMT

--------

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:41:13 -0500, Anne Rocchio

<anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca> wrote:



>The Puddies wrote:

>> It is a mix for a drink.  A bit granulated, but you just mix it with a glass

>> of water and drink it up every day.



>Hi!

>

>Just had to add that I've used the gelatin approach, and it does work,

>

>I found that the knox packets can really add up in price, though, so I

>get unflavoured crystals from my local health food store (in bulk) and

>mix it with fruit juice - costs ALOT less, in the long run, and saves on

>much unnecessary packaging!

>

Please pity a poor ignorant limey and tell me exactly what is in these

"knox" packets.



I gather it's some kind of gelatine, but The Puddies said that it's a

kind of drink!



Over here we have packets of flavoured (and highly coloured!) gelatine

for putting over flans, but I would have though that they set too

quickly to be able to be used as a drink.



We also have what we call jelly & I think you call jello, which comes

in flavoured blocks and is dissolved in hot water and we have plain

gelatine which we use for making desserts or savouries.



I really need to know this, as all my life I have had terrible, weak,

flaky nails and in the last year or so I have spent a fortune on "nail

therapy".  If I'm going to waste my money in the beauty therapist's, I

want to waste it on massage.



Regards,



Geraldine



--

sometimes i sits & thinks and sometimes i just sits



remove Clara's stocking to e-mail me





==========

Subject: Re: Hoofmaker for Nails??

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:30:42 GMT

--------

If made thinly enough, and doesn't have any cold water put in to make

it set, it can be drunk.  It's like unflavoured gelatin.  Also, btw,

makes a nice thing for babies with vomiting and diarrhea to drink,

though I'd do regular Jello for them, as it'd taste better. And add

some salt.







On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:14:16 GMT, geraldine@clara.stockingnet

(Geraldine ) wrote:



>On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:41:13 -0500, Anne Rocchio

><anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>

>>The Puddies wrote:

>>> It is a mix for a drink.  A bit granulated, but you just mix it with a glass

>>> of water and drink it up every day.

>

>>Hi!

>>

>>Just had to add that I've used the gelatin approach, and it does work,

>>

>>I found that the knox packets can really add up in price, though, so I

>>get unflavoured crystals from my local health food store (in bulk) and

>>mix it with fruit juice - costs ALOT less, in the long run, and saves on

>>much unnecessary packaging!

>>

>Please pity a poor ignorant limey and tell me exactly what is in these

>"knox" packets.

>

>I gather it's some kind of gelatine, but The Puddies said that it's a

>kind of drink!

>

>Over here we have packets of flavoured (and highly coloured!) gelatine

>for putting over flans, but I would have though that they set too

>quickly to be able to be used as a drink.

>

>We also have what we call jelly & I think you call jello, which comes

>in flavoured blocks and is dissolved in hot water and we have plain

>gelatine which we use for making desserts or savouries.

>

>I really need to know this, as all my life I have had terrible, weak,

>flaky nails and in the last year or so I have spent a fortune on "nail

>therapy".  If I'm going to waste my money in the beauty therapist's, I

>want to waste it on massage.

>

>Regards,

>

>Geraldine

>

>--

>sometimes i sits & thinks and sometimes i just sits

>

>remove Clara's stocking to e-mail me



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





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Subject: Re: Hoofmaker for Nails??

From: "Lana Z." <zozu@excelsior.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 21:27:27 -0500

--------



Geraldine wrote in message <3521c712.39048853@news.clara.net>...

>On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:41:13 -0500, Anne Rocchio

><anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>

>>The Puddies wrote:

>>> It is a mix for a drink.  A bit granulated, but you just mix it

with a glass

>>> of water and drink it up every day.

>

>>Just had to add that I've used the gelatin approach, and it does

work,

>>

>>I found that the knox packets can really add up in price, though, so

I

>>get unflavoured crystals from my local health food store (in bulk)

and

>>mix it with fruit juice - costs ALOT less, in the long run, and

saves on

>>much unnecessary packaging!

>>

>Please pity a poor ignorant limey and tell me exactly what is in

these

>"knox" packets.

>

all my life I have had terrible, weak,

>flaky nails and in the last year or so I have spent a fortune on

"nail

>therapy>





Knox is just the brand name for unflavoured gelatin. You might also

try taking amino acids (1/2 hr.  to 1 hr. before meals) and something

called silica.



Lana









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Subject: Re: Hoofmaker for Nails??

From: sir coffee@usa.net (Sir Coffee)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 02:34:50 GMT

--------

On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 11:41:13 -0500, Anne Rocchio

<anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca> wrote:



>The Puddies wrote:

>> It is a mix for a drink.  A bit granulated, but you just mix it with a glass

>> of water and drink it up every day.

>> 

>> Evelyn

>

>

>Hi!

>

>Just had to add that I've used the gelatin approach, and it does work,

>for both hair and nails!  (I have hair to my waist!)

>

>I found that the knox packets can really add up in price, though, so I

>get unflavoured crystals from my local health food store (in bulk) and

>mix it with fruit juice - costs ALOT less, in the long run, and saves on

>much unnecessary packaging!

>

>Cheers!

>Anne





I just have to jump in here since this is a health news group, in case

anyone may not understand how gelatin is made. I work for a

corporation that makes one of the top brand gelatin desserts. Here are

a few of the steps in making these desserts.



1. Tons of hides and hooves from slaughtered cattle are trucked in

from sabbatoirs, and dumped in a warehouse. The hides and hooves are

treated since the transportation process is impossible to keep fly

free. Still there is a very disagreeable aroma in the warehouse.



2. The hides and hooves are thrown into huge vats of boiling water

where the gelatin contained in the hides (and hooves) separates and

floats to the top, where it is skimmed off, desiccated (dried) and

flavored so that we may feed our kids a tasty dessert. Of course some

of the stuff is left unflavored to sell to people who prefer it that

way. (I have oversimplified the process for brevity, and it is a

sanitary process.)



3. Of course the stuff is considered safe to eat and anyone who would

eat beef should have no problem with the source of gelatin. I should

also mention there is a vegetable gelatin, but it is much more

expensive than that of animal origin.





Sir Coffee









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Subject: Finding Ginseng

From: McQ@nospam.ltc.com (Christopher McQueeney)

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:25:56 -0500

--------

I have been told that the climate and geography of my region are ideal 

for wild American Ginseng. I have access to a large (88 acres) forested 

area that I feel may be an ideal growing spot. Can anyone point me to a 

book, or even better, a web-based guide for the identification of the 

plant itself? Also, information on how to prepare and sell any roots I am 

able to find? Please e-mail a reply as well as posting, thank you. 



Chris

McQ<at>ltc<dot>com





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Subject: Re: Finding Ginseng

From: "Karen  Shelton" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:20:10 -0600

--------

I have some buddies that are into ginseng, where do you live?

Here's a great book on this topic

Ginseng: How to find, Grow and Use America's Forest Gold.

Kim Derek Pritts

Must have book for anyone with an interest in ginseng. I found this at my

local library.

Goes into everything you need to know about ginseng, even a buyers list!

Also see my ginseng site by GCG and ginseng links on links page. This should

help you get off to a good start. And I don't even have a way to talk you

out of your money or anything to sell, (unless you want St. Johnswort info

and seeds) so nothing to lose on this one!

Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Herbal

www.altnature.com

Ginseng Cooperative Group

www.altnature.com/ginseng/home.htm

Weeds and Seeds

 http://edge.net/~nature









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Subject: Re: Finding Ginseng

From: "Garlic Goddess" <paula23@sprynet.com>

Date: 25 Mar 1998 17:11:56 GMT

--------

I am not an expert on the subject, but this may interest you:



	"Most cultivated American ginseng is grown under man-made canopies in big

fields in Wisconsin and Canada.  In North and South Carolina, woods-grown

ginseng is produced by rototilling the forest floor and planting big beds

under the forest canopy...

	Wild ginseng is more desirable than cultivated ginseng, because it is

older - eight to fifteen years old compared to three or four.  (If ginseng

is allowed to grow more than three or four years beneath artificial

canopies, the plants start to have disease problems.)  Wild roots also have

more ginsenosides."



That is from the August 1996 issue of Hudson Valley magazine...the article

is by Anitra S. Brown.



I have read that ginseng is very, very slow to grow.  I hope you have the

patience.  



But it might be a worthwhile endeavor.  Cultivated roots sell for about $20

each at the local health food store.



Paula

The Garlic Goddess



Christopher McQueeney <McQ@nospam.ltc.com> wrote in article

<MPG.f81d2d063d18d81989681@nntp.news.netcom.net>...

> I have been told that the climate and geography of my region are ideal 

> for wild American Ginseng. I have access to a large (88 acres) forested 

> area that I feel may be an ideal growing spot. Can anyone point me to a 

> book, or even better, a web-based guide for the identification of the 

> plant itself? Also, information on how to prepare and sell any roots I am



> able to find? Please e-mail a reply as well as posting, thank you. 

> 

> Chris

> McQ<at>ltc<dot>com

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Finding Ginseng

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 26 Mar 1998 05:04:29 GMT

--------

Garlic Goddess (paula23@sprynet.com) wrote:

:I am not an expert on the subject, but this may interest you:

:

:	"Most cultivated American ginseng is grown under man-made canopies in big

:fields in Wisconsin and Canada.  In North and South Carolina, woods-grown

:ginseng is produced by rototilling the forest floor and planting big beds

:under the forest canopy...

:	Wild ginseng is more desirable than cultivated ginseng, because it is

:older - eight to fifteen years old compared to three or four.  (If ginseng

:is allowed to grow more than three or four years beneath artificial

:canopies, the plants start to have disease problems.)  Wild roots also have

:more ginsenosides."

:

:That is from the August 1996 issue of Hudson Valley magazine...the article

:is by Anitra S. Brown.

:

:I have read that ginseng is very, very slow to grow.  I hope you have the

:patience.  

:

:But it might be a worthwhile endeavor.  Cultivated roots sell for about $20

:each at the local health food store.

:

:Paula

:The Garlic Goddess

:

:Christopher McQueeney <McQ@nospam.ltc.com> wrote in article

:<MPG.f81d2d063d18d81989681@nntp.news.netcom.net>...

:> I have been told that the climate and geography of my region are ideal 

:> for wild American Ginseng. I have access to a large (88 acres) forested 

:> area that I feel may be an ideal growing spot. Can anyone point me to a 

:> book, or even better, a web-based guide for the identification of the 

:> plant itself? Also, information on how to prepare and sell any roots I am

:

:> able to find? Please e-mail a reply as well as posting, thank you. 

:> 

:> Chris

:> McQ<at>ltc<dot>com

:> 



A few outfits have something called 'woodsgrown american ginseng', which is

touted to be about halfway twixt wild and cultivated in quality.  Some outfits

also guarantee that they've been organically grown without pesticides.



I haven't searched for asian ginseng so grown yet, but I wouldn't be surprised

if it exists in that form as well. Nex





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        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

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Subject: Gerard's "Herbal"

From: Steve Boxley <vfarp@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:55:15 -0800

--------

All,

   I am trying to find a reprint of Gerard's 1597 "Herbal", but have had 

no luck.  Any suggestions where to start?  My thanks.



Steve Boxley

vfarp@erols.com





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Subject: Re: Gerard's "Herbal"

From: baird@gate.net (Baird Stafford)

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:07:19 -0500

--------

Mime-Version: 1.0

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



In article <35180FA3.261C@erols.com>,

Steve Boxley <vfarp@erols.com> wrote:





>   I am trying to find a reprint of Gerard's 1597 "Herbal", but have had 

>no luck.  Any suggestions where to start?  My thanks.



Some years ago I discovered a facsimile copy of the 1633 edition as

revised and enlarged by Thomas Johnson.  Being a facsimile edition,

it was not inexpensive - the list price was $75.00 US (I picked it

up for $40.00 US).  I suspect, however, that it is still in print

(such books usually stay on the shelf for a *long* time, in my

experience!) and might be special ordered by your local bookseller.



_The Herbal, or General History of Plants_ by John Gerard, copyright

1975 by Dover Publications, Inc., NY, NY, 10014, ISBN 0-486-23147-X



Blessed be,

Baird



--

Baird Stafford (baird@gate.net)

Modkin, soc.religion.paganism

No one really listens to anyone else, and if you try it for a while you'll see why. -Florrie Capp





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Subject: Re: Gerard's "Herbal"

From: dragonmrsh@aol.com (DragonMrsh)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 06:28:46 GMT

--------

In article <B14171279668E90B4@mlbfl2-9.gate.net>, baird@gate.net (Baird

Stafford) writes:



> I am trying to find a reprint of Gerard's 1597 "Herbal", but have had 

>>no luck.  Any suggestions where to start?  My thanks.



Gerards herbal is still in print thru dover publications.  It can be ordered at

any major book store. It retails for about  $75-89.00, sometimes less when on

sale.



If you can't find it e-mail for suggestions.



Mora

Dragonmarsh Apothecary

Dragonmarsh is not  just a store, it's an addiction !





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Subject: High Blood Pressure!!!

From: "Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net>

Date: 24 Mar 1998 22:08:36 GMT

--------

Any ideas on dealing with High Blood pressure Herbally

I invite all opinions and feedback 



Thanks

Baba Esco







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Subject: Re: High Blood Pressure!!!

From: jwwright <jwwright@ghgcorp.com>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 19:08:36 -0800

--------

Esco Babatunde II wrote:

> 

> Any ideas on dealing with High Blood pressure Herbally

> I invite all opinions and feedback

> 

> Thanks

> Baba Esco

you need to approach it from what foods to eliminate as opposed to what

to add. eliminating wheat cut mine by 25/15 (not eliminate). search the

net for allergy and hypertension. regards.





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Subject: Re: High Blood Pressure!!!

From: kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds)

Date: 26 Mar 1998 13:22:54 GMT

--------

garlic, cayenne pepper, less alcohol, hyssop tea twice a day, take potassium,

calcium, a mixture of tag alder+chamomile+peppermint tea, green tea 5 cups a

day or more, celery all help to lower blood pressure

if u want more ways to help lower it feel free to email me, i can also provide

any herbal mixtures to help lower blood pressure  just send me an email :)

peace and hugs,

sara :) 

***check out my webpage!!!   http://members.aol.com/kyndthreds/kynd.html***

"mellow mood has got me darlin', let the music rock me, darlin' " -marley <3





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Subject: Re: Catmint (PS to previous message)

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:56:33 -0500

--------

P.S.: Once you have smelled real catnip close up and personal-like, it is

virtually impossible to mistake it for anything else.  Some people claim the

scent resembles mint (and Nepeta cataria *is* in the Mint family) but I have

never run into *any* other herbs that are really even close.  Has anyone

else?



-RJO



Amber Dragon wrote in message

<6f51h5$2ioe$1@newssvr03-int.news.prodigy.com>...

>I was at a nursery the other day where they

>had catnip and catmint.

>Maybe they were  the same and I didn't notice.

>-Ariadne

>









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Subject: Re: Catmint (PS to previous message)

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 25 Mar 1998 10:41:11 GMT

--------

When I first happened upon catnip I thought it smelled rather musky minty---did

not really care for it.But the more I learn about tit and use it the better it

gets.Now I experience it as a gentle minty aroma and taste.Same with

valerian.When I first met valerian and smelled it my head spun around a couple

times and I spewed green bile!Now I love it and the earthy odor.For me it was

just a matter of getting to know the herb. Take care---Marianne





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Subject: What herb is there to raise Testorone level?

From: Richard <gambit@postoffice.ptd.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:47:02 GMT

--------

Hi, 



I am new to this newgroups but I have a question.  I am trying to raise

my testorone level and wonder if there are any herbs out there to do it.

If you can help I would appreciate it very very much.



Take care

Richard Rearden





==========

Subject: Re: What herb is there to raise Testorone level?

From: shaktifire@aol.com (ShaktiFire)

Date: 27 Mar 1998 20:33:34 GMT

--------

Tribulus is said to increase LH hormone which in turn

increases testosterone in males.  Twinlabs sells a brand

called Tribulus Fuel.





==========

Subject: Bitter Apple?

From: Ggrrr@pop3.concentric.net

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:21:00 -0600

--------

Does anybody know anything about "Luyties pharmacal Co."?  I was

recomended a product called "Colocynthis" that they make to help with

severe infalmmation in my feet.  I purchased the product and started

taking it tonite in spite of my better judgement of not knowing anything

about them so I'm hoping someone can help.  And on that note can anyone

recomend something else for the inflammation?  Thanks in advance.

        Mare







==========

Subject: Chinese herbal medicine

From: bluebird_23@hotmail.com

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:19:20 -0600

--------

Has anyone use Chinese herbal medicine before?	I interested in the topic and

would like to know what your experiences with it were.	Anything you can tell

me would be very helpful.



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Subject: Re: Chinese herbal medicine

From: Commentatorr@Headquarter.com (Tom_Goodman)

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:10:47 GMT

--------

On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:19:20 -0600, bluebird_23@hotmail.com wrote:



>Has anyone use Chinese herbal medicine before?	I interested in the topic and

>would like to know what your experiences with it were.	Anything you can tell

>me would be very helpful.

>

Go to misc.health.alternative.



T*o*m G*o*o*d*m*a*n





==========

Subject: Re: Chinese herbal medicine

From: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:46:41 -0500

--------

bluebird_23@hotmail.com wrote in message

<6fa0fc$bke$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>Has anyone use Chinese herbal medicine before? I interested in the topic

and

>would like to know what your experiences with it were. Anything you can

tell

>me would be very helpful.





Yes, lots of people have.. ;-)



Well, everything I could tell you about Chinese herbal medicine (and I am

NOT a professional) would occupy several books and way too much of my time.

Sorry, but the request was just a *little* bit broad, don't you think?  My

personal experience with Chinese medicine is mostly with tonic herbs and

formulas, and I have been generally impressed with the results, but again,

it's way too broad a subject (even my limited personal experience) to be

contained in a single post.



I will say this:  The Chinese have been using herbal medicine probably

longer than any other single culture, and because they valued scholarship

and the passing on of knowledge so highly, much of what they discovered was

written down and preserved for posterity.  The written record was copied and

added to over the years, so that today there is a virtually unbroken record

of herbal uses stretching back many hundreds of years.  Contrast this to the

Western "tradition", where wars, the rise and fall of civilizations,

differences in dominant languages and governments, and the despotic attempts

at control by a corrupt church conspired to destroy what knowledge was

gained.  The most able and talented herbal healers in Europe were often

treated as heretics and witches, and many herbal traditions ended with death

at the hands of governments determined to maintain "tradition" and the

status quo (and their own control).  In addition, unlike the path Western

medicine took in recent years, the Chinese have maintained their traditional

approach to medicine even while they adopt many modern Western methods, so

there is ongoing research into the properties of herbs now being conducted

in conjunction with modern diagnostic methods, giving a much clearer picture

 of the specific benefits to be derived.  In other words, the unbroken

Eastern tradition continues to this day and will continue into the future;

there is no need to save or revive herbal medicine in China - it has been

there and active all along.



Of course, the vast amount of knowledge and tradition surrounding the use of

herbs in China has both good and bad repurcussions.  As with any knowledge

based in some part on tradition and respect for the past, there are aspects

of TCM that are in need of more verification by researchers with open minds.

On the flip side, the learning and practise of TCM is a valued and respected

profession, requiring years of study and practise to attain proficiency,

since true TCM requires a thorough understanding of the balance of elements

and energy in the body, and the ability to recognize the root causes of

disorders in order to treat correctly.  So, if you are looking for someone

to treat you, ideally you should find someone who has had the necessary

training and experience, or your time and money may be better spent

elsewhere.



-RJO













==========

To: "Richard J. Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Subject: Re: Chinese herbal medicine

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:22:17 -0500

--------

This is a very broad subject. I can recommend a book: "Between Heaven 

and Earth; A Guide to Chinese Medicine" by Harriet Beinfield, L.Ac. 

and Efrem Korngold, L.Ac., O.M.D.

Good luck.



Rosemarie





==========

Subject: Re: Chinese herbal medicine

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 28 Mar 1998 04:13:10 GMT

--------

Rosemarie Dilernia (knots@agate.net) wrote:

:This is a very broad subject. I can recommend a book: "Between Heaven 

:and Earth; A Guide to Chinese Medicine" by Harriet Beinfield, L.Ac. 

:and Efrem Korngold, L.Ac., O.M.D.

:Good luck.

:

:Rosemarie



Funny you should mention that book, as it's the one I'm reading now.  It's a

superb book - not too intricate, yet it seems to cover much of the tradition.

Nex







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        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

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==========

Subject: Re: Chinese herbal medicine

From: larryb1@ix.netcom.com

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:09:12 -0600

--------

In article <6fa0fc$bke$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

  bluebird_23@hotmail.com wrote:

>

> Has anyone use Chinese herbal medicine before?	I interested in the

topic and

> would like to know what your experiences with it were.	Anything you

can tell

> me would be very helpful.

>

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>



Chinese herbal meds are much like Ayurvedic meds from India.. They descend

from a tradition passed down from families of physicians for thousands of

years.  Unfortunately, the real effective use of such medicines and their

manufacture depends on the potency and knowledge of the prescriber. Most

manufactured herbal meds from poverty sticken countries are contaminated.

The best way to tap into sources for valuable remedies .. uncompromised..

is to deal directly with reputable pharmacies who manufacture their own meds

and compounds.  Importing meds, even prescription meds from abroad has no

legal repercussion as long as the amount ordered is 90 days supply or less for

personal use. A medical professor wrote a book on the subject of prescription

importation: HOW TO BUY ALMOST ANY DRUG LEGALLY WITHOUT A PRESCRIPTION.  I

will include the book's introduction here for those interested.  Visit

http://www.inconn.com/lmb  (non-profit site) for more info on the

subject...



Excerpt from:



 How To Buy Almost Any Drug Legally Without A Prescription





Dr. James Johnson:



This book began one December morning in l988 when I read an article in the San

Francisco Chronicle with the headline, "FDA Allows Mail-Order of Foreign

Drugs."

     As a former professor at two different medical schools, I was in shock

that the Food

and Drug Administration (FDA) would even think of an idea so radical.  I

believed, like

most other Americans, that we should always "check with our physician first"

regarding

anything medical or pharmaceutical.

     I don't know exactly why I believed this so strongly.  Maybe because I

had heard it

repeated by physicians over and over again in the media.  Certainly this

belief is unique

to the U.S. public, as it is not shared in most other countries.

     Article of faith or not, my belief began to crumble as I thought about

what I read.

Why, I wondered, would a conservative medical bastion like the FDA change its

rules to

allow Americans to buy almost any legal drug without a prescription by mail

order from

another country?

    Being a scientist at heart, I had to check this out.  So I picked up the

phone and called

the FDA.  First,  I spoke with the public relations people who had been

designated to talk

to the public about this decision.  After getting only minimal information, I

asked to

speak directly to key officials.

     According to certain FDA employees, the new policy resulted from pressure

by

various AIDS groups.  And while many of these FDA employees privately

disagreed with

the change, they were unanimous in admitting that what was being called a

"trial policy"

by the public relations people, was in reality, here to stay.

     How could this change have come about?  The answer was simpler than I

ever

imagined.  By instituting this new policy, the FDA's key decision makers were

acknowledging that something was seriously wrong with the way our medical

system

serves the public.

     The present system, although very diligent, was painfully slow in the

approval of new

treatments.  As the reporters at Business Week stated:  "Historically, the FDA

has been

about as swift and adventurous as an arthritic turtle."

     The effects of this slowness began to be realized by the FDA as AIDS

spread through

the population.  Those who had AIDS were furious as they faced their own

imminent

deaths while the government prevented them access to drugs that could save

their lives,

insisting that these drugs go through the standard five-to-eight year FDA

approval

process.



     ....It was the awful realization of these grim facts that brought about

the revolution.

Led by FDA commissioner Frank Young, agency officials saw no alternative but

to make

policy changes that would upset one of the most powerful political lobbies in

the United

States:  the American Medical Association.

     The AMA would surely oppose any change that would lessen physician

control over

the medical process, and the AMA was not a pleasant group to fight with.

Despite the

prospect of drawing fire, in Young's view, America's health care problems were

so big

that changes had to be made even if it meant great personal sacrifice.  As

could be

expected, he lost his commissioner's job less than a year after this decision.

     In spite of Young's efforts, the FDA is clearly to blame for many of the

problems in

the current health system.  According to an industry spokesman, pharmaceutical

manufacturers are unable to develop new treatments for many ailments because

the cost

of obtaining FDA approval is too high and the expected returns too low.  Even

worse, the

red tape involved in obtaining FDA approval is so great that the process takes

years to

complete and causes many of the brightest scientists to choose different

fields of

endeavor.

     The fact of the matter is that over the years the FDA  has been turned

into an agency

whose major function has been to slow progress in the development of new

treatments.

Concerns for public safety have turned obsessive and counterproductive.

     What was started as a system designed for the good of the people has

evolved into a

bureaucratic nightmare and a financial albatross that is strangling the very

people it was

designed to help.

     When I began to recognize that, like our automobile industry, our

medical-

pharmaceutical industry isn't making it in the modern age, I decided to write

this book.

Americans deserve better health care than they are getting.  And if they are

unable to

obtain help from the medical or pharmaceutical communities, then they should

be able to

go elsewhere to get what they need.





CONTENTS



Preface



Introduction



I     What is the Government Doing to Try to Fix This System?



II    How Can I Purchase Medications from Other Countries?



III   Buying Pharmaceuticals Directly in Mexico, Caribbean



IV   What If I Am Less Concerned about Costs and More Concerned about

        Getting Treatment for a Rare Disorder?



V     What about the Drugs that I Cannot Order by Mail?

(LMB Note:  Foreign pharmacies will provide prescriptions for these drugs!)



VI     Some Things You Should Understand about Taking Any Medication



VII    Guide to Drugs Available by Mailorder Import



VIII   New Drugs under Investigation by the FDA and Not Yet Approved for Sale

in the

          United States



IX      Sample Listing of Orphan Drugs Available Outside the United States



X       AIDS Drugs



XI      Conclusion



Appendix I

          Guide to International Pharmaceutical Suppliers Including Sample

Price Lists

(Note:  LMB Enterprises updates this valuable information)



Appendix II

          Abridged Copies of  FDA Import Alerts That Are Related to the

Mail-Order

          Importation of Drugs

Bibliography



Index



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Subject: vinegar and honey in the diet?

From: "Bostwick" <bostwick@antigopro.net>

Date: 25 Mar 1998 12:25:06 GMT

--------

Hello, MY Mom wants to know if anybody knows what the benefits of taking a

vinegar and honey mixture are supposed to be. Please e-mail me at

bostwick@antigopro.net orpost a message Thank you.







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Subject: Any herbs to boost metabolism?

From: RVNX48A@prodigy.com (Wendy Blackstone)

Date: 25 Mar 1998 14:44:15 GMT

--------

  Are there any herbs that will boost my metabolism? I have a rrrreally 

hard time losing weight, even though I eat a healthy low-fat diet and 

workout several days per week. 

  Please e-mail me if you know of any herbs that might help to safely 

speed up my metabolism. By the way, I'm not hypo-thyroid, that much I 

know.



Wendy







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Subject: Re: Any herbs to boost metabolism?

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:09:16 -0500

--------

Wendy Blackstone wrote:

> 

>   Are there any herbs that will boost my metabolism? I have a rrrreally

> hard time losing weight, even though I eat a healthy low-fat diet and

> workout several days per week.

>   Please e-mail me if you know of any herbs that might help to safely

> speed up my metabolism. By the way, I'm not hypo-thyroid, that much I

> know.

> 

> Wendy





 With all disclaimers applying.....I offer the following:



  Juniper Berries

  Milfoil

  Nettle



 or



 Juniper Berries

 Birch leaves

 Camomile



 Mix in equal parts. Steep 1 tbsp. in 1/2 cup boiling-hot water. Take

1/2 to 1 cup a day, sweeten with oney, in mouthful doses.





Take at your own risk and this is not a prescription, diagnosis nor

medical advice being dispensed. ~~~~and the usual other disclaimers.~~~~



Choalayna

EnchanteD EncounterS

http://www.enchantedencounters.com









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Subject: Echinacea side effects (was: Allergic to Echinacea?)

From: Helena@Datura.Jump.Org

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:53:36 -0600

--------

atshum@unix.amherst.edu wrote in article <34e7560f.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu>...

> Hello all.  I would like to know how one can tell if one is allergic to

> echinacea, or perhaps what side effects echinacea has.  I have taken it a

> couple of times and afterwards i would feel kinda dizzy/lightheaded and

> my face and ears would feel hot.  thanx for any help



I can confirm that.



I've experienced very similar effects and they show up every single time I

took echinacea. They start almost immediately after I take it and lasts app.

10 minutes then degrades rapidly. I wouldn't describe those effects as

annoying, actually they are quite pleasant - I feel relaxed and yes, kinda

dizzy. I have a friend who had the same kind experience (actually, he was

the one who told me about echinacea and those strange effects).

I can also confirm increase in body temperature.

The funny thing is that after that, I've asked around about that and read

everything I could find about echinacea on the Net, but beside the above

article, I didn't find anything related on that subject.

Yes, the enclosed prescription accompanying the 50ml bottle says that the

product should not be used by people allergic to the drug, though how should

I know if I am allergic to it, since 'till now I wasn't allergic to anything

similar that comes to my mind as far as I can remember, neither is my friend.

Somehow I also have doubts if this is an allergic reaction at all.



Helena



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Subject: Re: Echinacea side effects (was: Allergic to Echinacea?)

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:58:11 GMT

--------

Patch test?  You can do it at home with anything you're wondering

about.  Clean the inside of your elbow or the underside of your upper

arm carefully and dry it off.  Put some of the material you're

wondering about on the skin.  Put a bandage over it.  Wait 24 hours.

Remove bandadge and see what your skin looks like.  If it's red,

swollen, itchy, oozing, or any thing really grotty, you don't want to

put that med in or on your body.





Lack of reaction may not prove lack of an allergy, but a reaction

should make you very wary.



For real medical testing, go see your doctor and ask for their more

regulated and official kinds of testing.  I learned this informal one

from reading the instructions on my hair dye bottles back before my

hair turned into a very nice grey and was just a dull more or less

brownish shade.

 

My own variation on it is to rub the skin up a bit to redness when

doing the drying, to improve any chances of reactions, but that's

probably not a very good idea for most people.





Oh, and use common sense.  If you feel any reactions before* the 24

hours, rip of the bandage and wash off well and see your doctor right

away if it's severe.



On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 09:53:36 -0600, Helena@Datura.Jump.Org wrote:

(snipped)

, the enclosed prescription accompanying the 50ml bottle says that the

>product should not be used by people allergic to the drug, though how should

>I know if I am allergic to it, since 'till now I wasn't allergic to anything

>similar that comes to my mind as far as I can remember, neither is my friend.

>Somehow I also have doubts if this is an allergic reaction at all.

>

>Helena

>





-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





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Subject: Re: Echinacea side effects (was: Allergic to Echinacea?)

From: georg <the.whichwaydidhego.georg@servtech.NARF.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:53:08 -0500

--------

Helena@Datura.Jump.Org wrote:

> 

> I've experienced very similar effects and they show up every single time I

> took echinacea. They start almost immediately after I take it and lasts app.

> 10 minutes then degrades rapidly. I wouldn't describe those effects as

> annoying, actually they are quite pleasant - I feel relaxed and? yes, kinda

> dizzy. I have a friend who had the same kind experience (actually, he was

> the one who told me about echinacea and those strange effects).

> I can also confirm increase in body temperature.



I have had similar allergic rections to steroids- only mine aren't

pleasant. I have serious vertigo, and the effect is similar to

discriptions I have seen for the effects of whippets on the brain-

which is the brains reaction to feeling like it it's oxygen starved.



If I were you, I'd be wary of it. The reactions may increase, and your

life may be endangered as a result. If the length of time of vertigo

increases, or the strength of the vertigo increases, stop taking

echinacea.



-georg

i tried nasal steroids for my sinuses. not a good idea for me. the

solution was to find out *why* my sinuses were revolting.

non ani sunt permittendi





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Subject: Bilberry FAQS

From: "Garlic Goddess" <paula23@sprynet.com>

Date: 25 Mar 1998 17:18:09 GMT

--------

Does anyone know where I can find some goods FAQs on bilberry?  I want to

recommend it to a skeptic...



Thank you in advance!



Paula

The Garlic Goddess





==========

Subject: Re: Bilberry FAQS

From: "babrey" <babrey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:23:43 -0000

--------

I just put the word "Bilberry herb" in search and it pulled up all kinds of

info..

Good luck

San

Garlic Goddess wrote in message <01bd57f8$6bf583c0$f3dfafce@computername>...

>Does anyone know where I can find some goods FAQs on bilberry?  I want to

>recommend it to a skeptic...

>

>Thank you in advance!

>

>Paula

>The Garlic Goddess









==========

Subject: breastfeeding and echinacea

From: rouch@duplin.net

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:24:39 -0600

--------

I have taken echinacea while breastfeeding my daughter. Not only did it kick

the cold out of my system, but I believe that Alexandra received secondary

benefits from the herb as well. I noticed that her colds have been "weak" and

have not lasted more than a day or two at the most.



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Subject: info on expiration dates...HELP PLEASE!!!

From: "moondaughter" <moondaughter@geocities.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:46:50 GMT

--------

hi,

   i have some herbal cleansing products i want to use, but i noticed that

the expiration dates are may 98... will they still be effective?? and at

what point do they begin to deteriorating?



thanks,



moondaughter









==========

Subject: Re: info on expiration dates...HELP PLEASE!!!

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:49:19 -0600

--------

moondaughter wrote:

> 

> hi,

> i have some herbal cleansing products i want to use, but i noticed

> that the expiration dates are may 98... will they still be 

> effective?? and at what point do they begin to deteriorating?



It is my understanding that the 'expiration date' is actually the 

'pull by' date.  Go ahead and use them - enthusiastically.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Re: info on expiration dates...HELP PLEASE!!!

From: "Joyce Lovell" <joyce@clandjop.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:29:26 -0800

--------

I'm not an expert but my opion would be that if they are sealed tight and

don't have bugs they would still be good. If your talking about cedar, sage,

and sweetgrass, bugs don't like them so there is not a problem with them









==========

Subject: Re: essential oils

From: "moondaughter" <moondaughter@geocities.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:19:24 GMT

--------

hi,

  it is very difficult to make your own essential oils, and impossible to do

so for therapeutic use unless you happen to have a still... essential oils

are distilled from the flowers, leaves, bark, or roots of a plant... you

could make an infused oil with certain herbs and flowers to use for baths or

massage,i don't know if it would be of any use therapeutically but it would

smell nice...



what you need to do is pick the fresh(this is important) plant material you

want to use as early in the morning as you can... pack it tightly in a clean

glass jar, then pour a good quality vegetable oil such as sweet almond or

olive over it to cover... put it in the sun every day for about two weeks,

bringing it in at night and shaking it vigorously two or three times a day

... at the end of two weeks, strain the oil out of the jar and you should

have a fragrant infused oil...



hope this helped a little...



moondaughter











==========

To: vocal <vocal@mint.net>

Subject: Re: essential oils

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 20:15:42 -0700

--------

Well, you need to make a still and have a few hundred pounds of

herbs. :(  That's why we buy them.

Pam

--

Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

Soap Making Instructions

http://soapcrafters.com

vocal wrote:



> Me too please! -Peace, Kim

>

> Moron345 wrote:

>

> > Could anyone tell me how I could make my own essential oils?

> >                                             thanks, Lori

















==========

Subject: Re: essential oils

From: "W. Cathey" <carter1@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:49:42 -0600

--------

I found a still manufacturer in New Zealand over the internet.  I discovered

a few legal problems with the department of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms

that discouraged my purchase.



Of course, I wasn't planning on distilling essential oils, but high-quality

stills are out there that aren't that expensive.



-Carter



Pam wrote in message <3519C85D.91F51A53@aros.net>...

>Well, you need to make a still and have a few hundred pounds of

>herbs. :(  That's why we buy them.

>Pam

>--

>Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

>Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

>Soap Making Instructions

>http://soapcrafters.com

>vocal wrote:

>

>> Me too please! -Peace, Kim

>>

>> Moron345 wrote:

>>

>> > Could anyone tell me how I could make my own essential oils?

>> >                                             thanks, Lori

>

>

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: essential oils

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:16:45 GMT

--------

In article <6ffi42$stb$1@juliana.sprynet.com>,

W. Cathey <carter1@sprynet.com> wrote:

>I found a still manufacturer in New Zealand over the internet.  I discovered

>a few legal problems with the department of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms

>that discouraged my purchase.

>

>Of course, I wasn't planning on distilling essential oils, but high-quality

>stills are out there that aren't that expensive.



Edmund Scientific used to sell a small still for making

floral extracts, etc.  I don't know if they still do.







==========

Subject: Re: essential oils

From: "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:54:44 GMT

--------

>

>Edmund Scientific used to sell a small still for making

>floral extracts, etc.  I don't know if they still do.

>



Yeah, they do...  I was on their website ( http://www.edsci.com ) a few days

ago, looking for a birthday gift for my son.  I gather you could make small

amounts of household-quality - not sales-quality - oils, and it seems to be

a "just for the fun of it" gadget.  I do plan to buy one and experiment with

it. It's in the "new - lab equipment" section of the main catalog.



Beth









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Subject: Re: essential oils

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:12:33 -0500

--------

Pam wrote:

> 

> Well, you need to make a still and have a few hundred pounds of

> herbs. :(  That's why we buy them.

> Pam

> --

> Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

> Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

> Soap Making Instructions

> http://soapcrafters.com

> vocal wrote:

> 

> > Me too please! -Peace, Kim

> >

> > Moron345 wrote:

> >

> > > Could anyone tell me how I could make my own essential oils?

> > >                                             thanks, Lori



As a side note; it takes 60,000 roses to make 1 oz. of _essential_ oil.





Choalayna

EnchanteD EncounterS

http://www.enchantedencounters.com









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Subject: Sphagnum moss

From: "Randall Jordan" <rjordan2@maine.rr.com>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:46:00 -0800

--------

I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering on

camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

absorbent and ecologically sound.  Please reply if anyone knows of when and

where to get moss.









==========

Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 26 Mar 1998 05:52:00 -0700

--------

"Randall Jordan" <rjordan2@maine.rr.com> wrote:



>I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering on

>camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

>absorbent and ecologically sound.

  The moss grows only in the deep south of the US, and harvesting

it would be frowned on by the national parks, etc.  It was

harvested heavily in some spots for florists - to the point of

extinction - and the last I heard you had to have a permit to

harvest.

  For a more readily available alternative, from a tree that

grows like a weed, try the shredded inner bark of juniper trees,

finely shredded corn husks (you have to use a diaper liner to eep

these away form the skin - they scratch).

  For a day trip or overnighter, just carry cloth diapers and a

sealed container for the used ones, then wash when you get home.







Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: barkeep@brightok.net (barkeep)

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:44:37 GMT

--------

On 26 Mar 1998 05:52:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

wrote:



>"Randall Jordan" <rjordan2@maine.rr.com> wrote:

>

>>I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering on

>>camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

>>absorbent and ecologically sound.

>  The moss grows only in the deep south of the US, and harvesting

>it would be frowned on by the national parks, etc.  It was

>harvested heavily in some spots for florists - to the point of

>extinction - and the last I heard you had to have a permit to

>harvest.



In the deep south? Interesting, the Sphagnum moss being sold by

Walmart Stores is imported from Canada. The last time I looked this is

in the far north.



Galen





==========

Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Mar 1998 19:55:00 -0700

--------

barkeep@brightok.net (barkeep) wrote:



>In the deep south? Interesting, the Sphagnum moss being sold by

>Walmart Stores is imported from Canada. The last time I looked this is

>in the far north.

  Dang!!! I read "sphagnum moss" and thought "Spanish moss" (the

stuff that hangs from trees in the swamps down there.)  I think

sphagnum can be bought at many nurseries.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: dmcd@ntr.net

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:49:58 -0600

--------





hmmm...





In article <351a4ce0.5962383@news.primenet.com>,

  abacaxi@hotmail.com wrote:

>

> "Randall Jordan" <rjordan2@maine.rr.com> wrote:

>

> >I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering on

> >camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

> >absorbent and ecologically sound.

>   The moss grows only in the deep south of the US, and harvesting

> it would be frowned on by the national parks, etc.  It was

> harvested heavily in some spots for florists - to the point of

> extinction - and the last I heard you had to have a permit to

> harvest.



Thats actualy completely false... Sphagnum grows in MOST bogs and swamps in

the Northern parts of the United States. Not to mention also in the south as

far as florida. I don't know where you were getting the info but I've

personally identified and seen it practically everywhere on the east coast.

Its also reported all over europe. As a matter a fact I have never had trouble

finding it anywhere I have lived. except in the southwest and midwest.



Actually theres a good article in the Bulletin of Primitive Technology. Fall

97 No. 14 about diapering with sphagnum moss. Phone # of the magazine is

208-359-2400



I mean of course you need to be careful the way you harvest it as to not

depleat it, but it is in abundance probably very near to you depending on

where you live.



As for the other methods below I don't know whether they would work or not but

just the thought of shredding that much juniper bark would make me go mad.

Using it for tinder for 40 students learning Bow Drill Fires is hard enough.





>   For a more readily available alternative, from a tree that

> grows like a weed, try the shredded inner bark of juniper trees,

> finely shredded corn husks (you have to use a diaper liner to eep

> these away form the skin - they scratch).

>   For a day trip or overnighter, just carry cloth diapers and a

> sealed container for the used ones, then wash when you get home.

>

> Callie

> Callie @-sign writepage.com

> (the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

>  But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)

>





I dont mean to offend anyone by saying they are wrong, but too many times

people just pass on stuff they read w/o first hand knowledge. And the problem

is that over half of the books on herbs and primitive skills would get you

killed.





Dan McDonley

dmcd@ntr.net



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Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 26 Mar 1998 05:56:00 -0700

--------

richard <witherden@zetnet.co.uk> wrote:



>T  I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering on

> 

>->->-> Forgive my ignorance but what is diapering?

  And they say we speak the same language  :)  Our "diapers" are

the cloth worn by infants who are not yet trained to use the loo

properly.  To an American, a "napkin" is the cloth used at table

for protecting clothing and wiping fingers.







Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date: 27 Mar 1998 00:37:39 GMT

--------

> I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering on

> camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

> absorbent and ecologically sound.  Please reply if anyone knows of when and

> where to get moss.



One thing to be very very careful of here: at some point I heard that sphagnum

moss in the wild typically carries a small mite with it... and that this mite

does munch on humans.... I cannot back this up with a source, but if you are

seriously considering this alternative (good for you!) then I would look into

it.   I cant think of many things that would make a baby scream more.....

SilDra





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Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 28 Mar 1998 02:39:39 GMT

--------



Sildra93 wrote in message

<1998032700373901.TAA09272@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>> I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering

on

>> camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

>> absorbent and ecologically sound.  Please reply if anyone knows of when

and

>> where to get moss.

>

>One thing to be very very careful of here: at some point I heard that

sphagnum

>moss in the wild typically carries a small mite with it... and that this

mite

>does munch on humans.... I cannot back this up with a source, but if you

are

>seriously considering this alternative (good for you!) then I would look

into

>it.   I cant think of many things that would make a baby scream more.....

>SilDra





Please pay attention to the above message.   I have also heard of these

mites, and they are especially awful in that they burrow UNDER the skin and

are nearly impossible to kill.   You simply cannot beat plain old cotton

diapers.   They rinse out easily and dry quickly, and are safe on the baby's

skin.



Regards,

Evelyn









==========

Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: dmcd@ntr.net

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:34:41 -0600

--------





    Just make sure you thoroughly dry the moss.. The mites (if there are

any) wont stick around if its dry and they are no longer in its wet

enviorment. Though I have heard of mites on other mosses i've never heard of

them on sphagnum since it is in such a wet enviorment. But who knows.. Just

make sure you dry it...





In article <6fhntb$1euk$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>,

  "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net> wrote:

>

>

> Sildra93 wrote in message

> <1998032700373901.TAA09272@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> >> I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering

> on

> >> camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

> >> absorbent and ecologically sound.  Please reply if anyone knows of when

> and

> >> where to get moss.

> >

> >One thing to be very very careful of here: at some point I heard that

> sphagnum

> >moss in the wild typically carries a small mite with it... and that this

> mite

> >does munch on humans.... I cannot back this up with a source, but if you

> are

> >seriously considering this alternative (good for you!) then I would look

> into

> >it.   I cant think of many things that would make a baby scream more.....

> >SilDra

>

> Please pay attention to the above message.   I have also heard of these

> mites, and they are especially awful in that they burrow UNDER the skin and

> are nearly impossible to kill.   You simply cannot beat plain old cotton

> diapers.   They rinse out easily and dry quickly, and are safe on the baby's

> skin.

>

> Regards,

> Evelyn

>

>





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Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: Andy McMullen <jamcmullen@zetnet.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:45:28 +0100

--------

The message <6fces9$lj8$1@proxye4.maine.rr.com>

  from  "Randall Jordan" <rjordan2@maine.rr.com> contains these words: 





> I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering on

> camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

> absorbent and ecologically sound.  Please reply if anyone knows of when and

> where to get moss.



Living in Maine you should certainly find plenty of sites for it, 

anywhere that is wet and marshy will have it growing, usually in 

abundance. Try nay area of peatland (this plant forms that peat) and 

waterlogged areas low in bases such as calcium (i.e. over granite 

rather than limestone).



If taking from hummocks, take springly from the margins otherwise you 

will perturb (perhaps fatally) the microclimate of this structure. 

Gather at any time of the year although it is most visible when the 

summer grasses and herbs are not fully grown. Winter might be more 

favourable given the amount of beasties, both small and very small 

that inhabit this environment although I am confident they are mostly 

harmless, if not beneficial (unless you have study them and then they 

cause eyestrain!). Members of the sub-genus Sphagnum are probably 

best - they are the big 'fat' ones, S. palustre being particularily 

common in wet woodland, around the bases of the trees.



I would love to know how you get on so if you can spare the time 

please let me know. If you have anymore questions, give me a shout.



Andy



-- 

J. Andy McMullen

University of Southampton (Cairngorm Branch)

Buailteach, Crathie, Ballater, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, AB35 5TE.

Tel./fax: 013397 42453







==========

Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: kdawn <oakbuddy@siservices.net>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:25:51 -0500

--------

I  live in northern Florida and have the moss growing everywhere.  I happen to

rebah baby squirrels and this is one item i dont put in their cage because it

does have mites.

I have no idea if this is the case with all moss or just here but it something to

check out.



k dawn



Andy McMullen wrote:



> The message <6fces9$lj8$1@proxye4.maine.rr.com>

>   from  "Randall Jordan" <rjordan2@maine.rr.com> contains these words:

>

> > I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering on

> > camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

> > absorbent and ecologically sound.  Please reply if anyone knows of when and

> > where to get moss.

>

> Living in Maine you should certainly find plenty of sites for it,

> anywhere that is wet and marshy will have it growing, usually in

> abundance. Try nay area of peatland (this plant forms that peat) and

> waterlogged areas low in bases such as calcium (i.e. over granite

> rather than limestone).

>

> If taking from hummocks, take springly from the margins otherwise you

> will perturb (perhaps fatally) the microclimate of this structure.

> Gather at any time of the year although it is most visible when the

> summer grasses and herbs are not fully grown. Winter might be more

> favourable given the amount of beasties, both small and very small

> that inhabit this environment although I am confident they are mostly

> harmless, if not beneficial (unless you have study them and then they

> cause eyestrain!). Members of the sub-genus Sphagnum are probably

> best - they are the big 'fat' ones, S. palustre being particularily

> common in wet woodland, around the bases of the trees.

>

> I would love to know how you get on so if you can spare the time

> please let me know. If you have anymore questions, give me a shout.

>

> Andy

>

> --

> J. Andy McMullen

> University of Southampton (Cairngorm Branch)

> Buailteach, Crathie, Ballater, Aberdeenshire, Scotland, AB35 5TE.

> Tel./fax: 013397 42453











==========

To: Randall Jordan <rjordan2@maine.rr.com>

Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: cevin <shadowca@rw2.rworld.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:52:05 -0600

--------

On Wed, 25 Mar 1998, Randall Jordan wrote:



> I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering on

> camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

> absorbent and ecologically sound.  Please reply if anyone knows of when and

> where to get moss.



i saw about 30 bags of it stacked in the parking lot of one of the local

(rockford, IL) K-marts.



dylan oliver

shadowca@rw2.rworld.com











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Subject: Help for Chrons Disease?

From: Miriam <palin.anah@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 02:32:03 -0700

--------

Can anyone tell me if they've had sucess with herbs & vitamins in

alleviating Chrons Disease?



Miriam







==========

Subject: Re: Help for Chrons Disease?

From: mrrogers@igc.org

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:12:56 -0600

--------

In article <6fehhn$5kt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,

  Miriam <palin.anah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>

> Can anyone tell me if they've had sucess with herbs & vitamins in

> alleviating Chrons Disease?

>

Dear Miriam,

There is a Brazilian herb called Pau D'arco which has helped a lot of people I

know personally.  Of course, you still need to deal with your thoughts and

feelings around the disease and your body, but this stuff, available in loose

or capsule form, is definitely worth a try.

David Spero, R.N.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

Illness is the best teacher.  Awareness is the best medicine.

Your are your own best doctor.



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Subject: Re: Help for Chrons Disease?

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:04:03 -0600

--------

Crohn's disease, chronic inflammation of the digestive tract, is characterized by painful ulcers that form in one or more sections, or all along the length of the gastrointestinal lining. When the ulcers heal, they leave thick scar tissue that narrows and hardens the tract and adversely affects elimination. Poor assimilation of nutrients is always involved; accompanying ulcerous bleeding often causes anemia. A strictly followed, highly nutritious, mild foods diet has proven to be an effective, non-toxic alternative to cortico-steroid drugs.

Common causes: A diet with low fiber, excess refined sugar and acid-forming foods, leading to a severely inflamed colon which forms deep ulcers along the entire length of the digestive tract from rectum to mouth. Malnutrition is common in Crohn's disease. Multiple food intolerances, particularly to wheat and dairy, emotional stress, zinc deficiency.



Diet improvement is the key:

1. Start with an alkalizing liquid diet for 3 days: carrot and apple juice, grape juice, pineapple and green vegetable drinks. If you have a problem with your blood sugar level dropping, make a mixture of 1-1/2 cups of fresh squeezed lemon juice, 1/3 to 1/2 cups of pure maple syrup, and 2 quarts of distilled water. This will bring your level back up. An average woman generally needs about 1/3 cup of the maple syrup, and a man 1/2 cup. Some people will need more.



2. Then add mild fruits and vegetables for a week: carrots, potatoes, yams, apples, papayas, bananas, etc.



3. Add steamed and raw vegetables, brans, cultured foods for 2 weeks: yogurt, kefir, miso, etc., fresh salads, broccoli, cabbage, oat bran, rice bran, etc.



4. Finally add rice, whole grains, wheat germ, tofu, fish and seafood for healing protein.



5. The continuing diet should be high in complex carbohydrates, fiber and fresh vegetables, and low in fats. (Avoid too much fiber during flare-ups.)



 Avoid nuts, seeds, and citrus while healing. (Except the lemons in the syrup and water if you need them.) Eliminate red and fatty meats, saturated fats (especially from dairy foods), and fried foods.

Drink only bottled water--preferably distilled. Over treated tap water can wreak havoc on an inflamed bowel.



Herbal Therapy:

Note:

Crohn's disease sufferers can react to almost anything, no matter how mild or soothing. Start gently and slowly, noting your reactions carefully.



Evening Primrose Oil caps--500mg twice daily.

Mix 1 teaspoon bee pollen in a cup of chamomile tea. Take 2 times daily.



Effective herbal anti-oxidants to scavenge free radicals involved in Crohn's:

Garlic caps--4 to 6 daily.

Pau d' arco



Effective herbal flavonoids:

Hawthorn extract

Bilberry extract

Rosehips



Supplements:

Use liquid or powdered supplements whenever possible for the least irritation, and preferably made from a natural source.

Vitamin C with bioflavonoids.

L-Glutamine 500mg-as effective as prednisone in controlling Crohn's and GI integrity.



Take daily for enzyme therapy:

Quercetin with bromelain 750mg.

Acidophilus 1/4 teaspoon 3 times a day, before meals.

Bromelain 40mg or papaya enzymes after meals.



Replace depleted nutrients:

Zinc 15 to 30mg daily.

Magnesium 200mg 3 times daily.

B complex liquid with extra B-2, B-6, and pantothenic acid.

Vitamin E 400IU daily twice daily.



Avoid commercial antacids. They eventually make the inflammation worse by causing the stomach to produce more acids.

Consciously work to reduce stress in your life. Acupuncture, yoga and meditation (or prayer) have all been successful with Crohn's.

Eat smaller meals more frequently.

Apply hot, wet ginger compresses to stomach and lower back.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Allergies

From: d <sweetgrass@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:44:28 +0000

--------

Does anyone know of any newsgroups or comprehensive sites that discuss food 

allergies and/or have recipies for cooking food for people who have them?



Thanks in advance,

-d





==========

Subject: Re: Allergies

From: rdk34@aol.com (RDK34)

Date: 28 Mar 1998 02:32:01 GMT

--------

There are two that I know of:

                 alt.med.allergy

                 alt.support.food-allergies







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Subject: Babies -- Teething and Phlegm

From: damn.spammers@no.more.email.addresses (Axel (Out of Africa))

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:13:18 GMT

--------

Any suggestions as to what to use for teething babies



and



bad phlegm on the chest?

















    ***IS THIS A REAL SIG, OR IS IT JUST A PARODY?***





     AMQ Pix at http://www.ozemail.com.au/~acronym/amq























==========

Subject: Re: Babies -- Teething and Phlegm

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:00:20 -0600

--------

Axel (Out of Africa) wrote:

> 

> Any suggestions as to what to use for teething babies



Clove oil.  It's rather hilarious.  The baby's face is all twisted 

up with the owie, it twists in a different direction for the yucky 

taste, and then the face relaxes and the mouth is wide open.  The 

kid is clearly telepathing, "OOOH!  DO THAT AGAIN!"



> and

> 

> bad phlegm on the chest?



-Kyra





==========

To: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Subject: Re: Babies -- Teething and Phlegm

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:38:03 -0700

--------

I remember a woman telling me a long time ago that she used to rub a

slice of raw onion on the gums of her teething children.

Pam

--

Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

Soap Making Instructions

http://soapcrafters.com



Lady Necessity wrote:



> Axel (Out of Africa) wrote:

> >

> > Any suggestions as to what to use for teething babies

>

> Clove oil.  It's rather hilarious.  The baby's face is all twisted

> up with the owie, it twists in a different direction for the yucky

> taste, and then the face relaxes and the mouth is wide open.  The

> kid is clearly telepathing, "OOOH!  DO THAT AGAIN!"

>

> > and

> >

> > bad phlegm on the chest?

>

> -Kyra

















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Subject: Re: Babies -- Teething and Phlegm

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 02:16:08 -0500

--------

Lady Necessity wrote:

> 

> Axel (Out of Africa) wrote:

> >

> > Any suggestions as to what to use for teething babies

> 

> Clove oil.  It's rather hilarious.  The baby's face is all twisted

> up with the owie, it twists in a different direction for the yucky

> taste, and then the face relaxes and the mouth is wide open.  The

> kid is clearly telepathing, "OOOH!  DO THAT AGAIN!"

> 

> > and

> >

> > bad phlegm on the chest?

> 

> -Kyra





Clove oil is much too strong for infants gums much less direct contact

with Adults!







|Choalayna

EnchanteD EncounterS

http://www.enchantedencounters.com









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Subject: Re: Babies -- Teething and Phlegm

From: "babrey" <babrey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 20:24:38 -0000

--------

be very careful when using this though as it will burn the skin and the

tummy gets kind of upset.... to use it I just barely get a little on my

finger and then rub the gums but actually had a dentist tell me not to do

this as it was too dangerous for a baby. and it does leave a Nasty taste in

your mouth.<g

San

Lady Necessity wrote in message <351B0834.6714@flash.net>...

>Axel (Out of Africa) wrote:

>>

>> Any suggestions as to what to use for teething babies

>

>Clove oil.  It's rather hilarious.  The baby's face is all twisted

>up with the owie, it twists in a different direction for the yucky

>taste, and then the face relaxes and the mouth is wide open.  The

>kid is clearly telepathing, "OOOH!  DO THAT AGAIN!"

>

>> and

>>

>> bad phlegm on the chest?

>

>-Kyra









==========

Subject: Re: Babies -- Teething and Phlegm

From: "Joyce Lovell" <joyce@clandjop.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:12:47 -0800

--------

we have used this in our family for years-we use a medicine bag-(a small

leather bag hung around the neck like a necklace) filled with bear root,

peppermint or spearmint, a small peice of devil's root and a little

sugar-dampen the bag a bit and let baby start chewing, the devil's root has

a numbing effect, spearmint or peppermint & sugar makes baby interested) you

could do this with a peice of cloth also-sew a square put the medicines in

and sew up the other end.









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To: "Axel (Out of Africa)" <damn.spammers@no.more.email.addresses>

Subject: Re: Babies -- Teething and Phlegm

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:51:09 -0800

--------

Axel (Out of Africa) wrote:

> 

> Any suggestions as to what to use for teething babies

> 

> and

> 

> bad phlegm on the chest?

>  





I used a homeopathic remedy from Hylands called Teething tables.  It

worked great.  I wish I had it for my first 2 children.  As for the

phlegm I would have the baby checked for allergies to a food before

giving anything for it.  It may be just something as easy as cutting out

the dairy or corn out of the babies diet or if the baby is nursing I

would check into the mothers diet to what she is eating that the baby

does not like.  A good place to start would be to stop the dairy for now

until it can be verified that it is an allergy or an illness causing it.



J9





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Subject: Holistic modalities and aids

From: shannon@yoga.com (Shannon Brophy)

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:37:29 GMT

--------

For this project I am doing I want to find out about proven

alternative treatments for aids. If folks have sources of info of

places that have done research, please let me know privately.

Also am interested in holistic and herbal treatments for mimimizing

side effects of the new drugs being used for aids treatment

(nausea,vomiting, diarrhea). I would love to hear from others who have

had experiences with this in dealing with aids.

Thanks,

Shannon

shannon@yoga.com





==========

Subject: Herbs and boweldisorders?

From: "Koen Dewinter" <Koen.Dewinter@village.uunet.be>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 17:54:28 +0100

--------

I'm looking for information about treating boweldisorders with herbal

medicines?

Any good sites?



Koen.









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Subject: Any personal experience with Suma Root?

From: mpd@mindspring.com (Jim)

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:13:21 GMT

--------

It doesn't take much to get lots of excellent reports on Suma Root

thru the search engines but since virtually every reference to Suma is

trying to sell it, well......



So, do you have any personal experience with Suma to report? I'll

acknowledge every e-mail and post. I'm very anxious to get some

practical knowledge of this herb.



Thanks very much.

Jim







==========

Subject: natural pesticides and  fertilizers

From: moron345@aol.com (Moron345)

Date: 26 Mar 1998 19:45:22 GMT

--------

MM,

     Just recently I've been very concerned about soil care when I garden.  Can

anyone suggest any all natural fertilizers ( I already know about manure, any

others?) and pesticides or pest repellents?

                                     Thanks and MP,

                                         Lori





==========

To: Moron345 <moron345@aol.com>

Subject: Re: natural pesticides and  fertilizers

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:25:09 -0500

--------

Manure will be a good source of nitrogen for your garden, and an 

important ingredient for a compost pile if you are starting one. I 

also use ground rock phosphate to provide phosporous and greensand for 

potassium. Azomite is excellent for trace elements. I nearly nothing 

for post control but do occasionally resort to rotonone for the pests 

it can control.



A good book on organic gardening would be of imense help to you.



Good luck!



Rosemarie





==========

To: "W. Cathey" <carter1@sprynet.com>

Subject: Re: natural pesticides and  fertilizers

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:58:29 -0800

--------

W. Cathey wrote:

> 

> This might sound strange, but I have been reading about earthworms in

> regards to soil care and gardening.

>  

> They have this worm composting system where you put your old food in and the

> worms eat it.  Worms, apparently, are the only animals (???)  



It is really easy to make your own worm farm.  Just go to the store and

pick up a cheap cooler.  Put in about an inch of dirt and some shredded

newspaper.  Go outside and dig up some worms form your dirt. Place them

into to cooler.  Just throw out your scraps into the cooler.  make sure

that the soil stays moist.  The worms will multiply and give you your

castings.  I would not advise you to keep them in the house.  When the

multiply so much that they are not getting enough to eat they will

migrate out of the cooler to other areas in the house.  To keep them

really happy give them rabbit droppings occasionally.  Under rabbit

cages are a great place to grow earth worms.



J9





==========

Subject: Re: Health information sites

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 26 Mar 1998 21:53:15 GMT

--------

In article <6fbm1l$gj4$1@newman.pcisys.net>, clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

writes:



>I thought it would be useful to start a thread on web sites for finding 

>health information, especially, but not limited to, alternative health 

>medicine. 



Massagetherapy.com

http://www.massagetherapy.com/

Very similar to acupuncture.com, good for finding information about massage

therapy laws in the states and some schools.



http://www.osteopathic.net/

Osteopathic student site, again useful if you have questions about this form of

medicine or are thinking about training in it.



American Association of Naturopathic Physicians

http://www.infinite.org/naturopathic.physician/

Usually it's far easier to find an ND in your area using this than trying to

call their offices -- some conferences and other resources listed.



I'm very sorry to hear acupuncture.com moved! I've got them listed in my book

and it's too late to change now. It's a great site and should be bookmarked by

anyone interested in acupuncture.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

author, Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

Prima Publishing, April 1998





==========

Subject: Re: Health information sites

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukrotweiler>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:41:51 +0000

--------

Good Idea. here is my non-commercial site address.



http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk



Besides being a busy site on Aromatherapy and essential oils it has

links to nearly 600 Aromatherapy pages and also has separate pages with

links to Tai Chi, Reflexology, Herbal, TCM (Traditional Chinese

Medicine), Reiki, Massage, Chiropractic, Homeopathic and Ayurvedic

pages.



also pages for Societies and associations of Complementary Health.



Don't forget to look at http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/pagetwo.html as

well.



If your pages are not mentioned there then Please send me the URL and up

to 25 words discribing the pages and I'll probably add them to the

relevant page.



In article <6fbm1l$gj4$1@newman.pcisys.net>, C.L. Getz

<clgetz@ibm.nospam> writes

>Greetings all,

>

>I thought it would be useful to start a thread on web sites for finding 

>health information, especially, but not limited to, alternative health 

>medicine. Let's try to keep to sites where the *focus* is not to sell 

>particular products. No spam, commercial advertising or proselytizing, 

>please. The object of this thread should be to help people find as much 

>information as possible to investigate and make up their own minds. 

>(I've read that the New England Journal of Medicine is online now, but 

>can't find the site. Anybody else have luck?) 

>

>OK, here are some good ones I've run across.

>

>1. http://cgi.pathfinder.com/drweil/

>

>Dr. Andrew Weil, a Harvard-trained physician and professor at the 

>University of Arizona in Tucson, is one of the leaders of a movement 

>that urges conventional medicine doctors to incorporate alternative 

>medical practices. He doesn't just swallow anything "holistic" or 

>"natural." His web site features information on a wide, wide variety of 

>health problems and resources and there's an excellent directory of 

>health practitioners (including conventional medicine) who use 

>alternative/complementary medicine.

>

>2. http://www.altvetmed.com/

>

>This is an excellent informational web site for alternative and 

>complementary veterinary medicine.

>

>3. http://www.herbs.org/index.html

>

>Web site for the Herb Research Foundation. This organization really 

>seems to strive for the best scientific information possible on the uses 

>of herbs.

>

>4. http://www.mayohealth.org/

>

>Virtual Mayo Health Clinic!

>

>5. http://wellweb.com/

>

>Bills itself as "The Patient's Network" - information on conventional as 

>well as alternative medicine, includes support groups and advice on 

>getting financial help for medical expenses

>

>6. http://208.233.90.104/

>

>Acupuncture.com. - just changed address so maybe that's why it looks 

>odd. Information on acupuncture and other traditional Chinese medical 

>practices.

>

>Happy reading,

>C.L. Getz

>

>

>Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.



-- 

Graham Sorenson South Wales, UK.

The Guide to Aromatherapy AND nearly 600 links to other Aromatherapy web sites,

Plus LOTS more.

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/





==========

Subject: Re: Health information sites

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 21:30:13 GMT

--------

Greetings, all!



A kind person sent along this address for the online version of the New 

England Journal of Medicine. Haven't looked at it yet so don't have much 

else to share on it: www.nejm.org



C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





==========

Subject: Herb search

From: Diane Gaffney <wlkswdgs@ccia.com>

Date: 27 Mar 1998 01:49:47 GMT

--------

I am looking for information on BLADDERWRACK.  I was told it is good for a 

a sluggish thyroid.  Any information will be appriciated.

Thanks

Di

wlkswdgs@ccia.com





==========

To: Diane Gaffney <wlkswdgs@ccia.com>

Subject: Re: Herb search

From: Pam <soap@aros.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:40:01 -0700

--------

Try this incrediable database on herbs:

http://probe.nal.usda.gov:8000/related/aboutethnobotdb.html



Pam

--

Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

Soap Base, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs

Soap Making Instructions

http://soapcrafters.com



Diane Gaffney wrote:



> I am looking for information on BLADDERWRACK.  I was told it is good for a

> a sluggish thyroid.  Any information will be appriciated.

> Thanks

> Di

> wlkswdgs@ccia.com

















==========

Subject: Re: Herb search

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:24:25 -0600

--------

KELP, NORWEGIAN

LATIN: Fucus vesiculosus

AKA: Bladderwrack, Gift from the Sea, Seaweed

   

BODILY ACTIONS: acne, adrenal gland, alterative, anemia, ant-rheumatic, arteries (cleans), arthritis, assists growth and development, birth defects, bladder, body temperature, brain membranes, brain tissue, breast cancer, bursitis, cancer, central nervous system health, colitis, complexion, constipation, convalescence, coughs, debility, demulcent, diabetes, digestive aid, diuretic, eczema, emollient, endocrine glands, energy, expectorant, fatigue, fingernails, flatulence, gallbladder, gas, glands, goiter, growth of bones, hair, headaches, heart disease, hypotensive, hypothyroidism, immune system function, infection, kidneys, lead poisoning, leg cramps, lymph nodes, maintains growth hormone secretion, menopause, metabolism balancer, morning sickness, mucilant, mucus membranes, muscles tone and strength, nails, nutritive, obesity, pancreas, pituitary gland, pregnancy, prostate, psoriasis, radiation poisoning, reduces edema, regulates metabolism, respiration, sensory nerves, serum cholesterol, skin, soothes throat, spinal cord, stimulant, supports elimination of waste, swollen and painful testes, T-cells, thyroid gland, tonic, toxic metals, tumors, urinary tract, urination, uterus, vitality, water retention, weight gain.



PARTS USED: entire plant



NOTES: This amazing seaweed contains more vitamins and minerals than any other food. Many herbalist's consider Norwegian Kelp to be a cleaner source of Kelp as it comes from the cold North Sea which is supposedly freer of pollution than other sources. Helps regulation protein, fat, and carbohydrate utilization in cells. Works on the glandular system. A reducing aid to be used in conjunction with other herbs for weight problems.





-- Kay

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Looking for a Herb

From: "JB" <jbk@iag.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:52:02 -0500

--------

Is there a Herbal counterpart for Anabolic Steroids?



Thanks.









==========

Subject: Sensitive skin

From: Rachel Berry <RachelsTouch@involved.com>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:29:15 -0800

--------

Anyone have any idea what the best herbs are for combination acne and

eczema skin problems?  Or for any other serious/not so serious skin

problems?  Also, anyone know of any research done on skin/herb

absorbtion into the skin/best herbs for the skin?  Thanks for the help.







==========

Subject: Ivy

From: Heidi Bloksgaard Wiese <heidib@nork.auc.dk>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:50:29 +0100

--------

Hi



Does anyone know what effect ivy has on the skin?



Heidi





==========

Subject: Re: Ivy

From: "W. Cathey" <carter1@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 04:18:16 -0600

--------

generally?



or do you have a specific ivy in mind...



Carter



Heidi Bloksgaard Wiese wrote in message <351B6855.ADFE707E@nork.auc.dk>...

>Hi

>

>Does anyone know what effect ivy has on the skin?

>

>Heidi









==========

Subject: Ivy

From: ARS <hfksales@javanet.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 00:06:10 -0500

--------

Does anyone know what Ivy (not poison) is traditionally used for

medicinally?





==========

Subject: Sleeping Buddha Warning from FDA

From: cnsjjc@aol.com (Cnsjjc)

Date: 27 Mar 1998 14:17:36 GMT

--------

The Food and Drug Administration is warning consumers not to purchase or

consume a product known as Sleeping Buddha. The product, which is being

marketed as a dietary supplement, contains an unlabeled prescription drug

ingredient that poses possible health risks. The product also has not been

submitted to FDA for review or approval for any of the uses for which it is

being sold.



Sleeping Buddha is marketed in capsule form as a product of China and labeled

as imported and distributed by Treasure Box Products Inc. of Burnaby, B.C.,

Canada. The product is being promoted for insomnia and restlessness and is sold

as an herbal alternative to prescription sedatives.



FDA has determined that the product actually contains the prescription-strength

drug ingredient, estazolam, which is a sedative of the benzodiazepine family.

Estazolam is known to have serious side effects, including the potential to

cause fetal damage if a pregnant woman consumes the drug.



Also, because this product is a sedative, it poses a special risk to consumers

who take the drug while driving, while operating heavy machinery, or while

taking other sedative drugs or alcohol.



FDA has not received any reports of injury or adverse reactions from this

product. However, all consumers, and especially pregnant women, should be aware

of the risks associated with this product.



Treasure Box Products Inc., in response to U.S. and Canadian government

testing, has initiated a voluntary recall of all their products sold in the

United States. FDA, in conjunction with Canada's Therapeutic Products

Directorate, will be monitoring this recall.



Consumers who have used this product and have medical concerns should consult

with their health care providers.













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Subject: Re: Heel Spur

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 08:29:50 -0600

--------

These spurs are often the result of acid/alkaline imbalance in the body. Do you also have rheumatoid arthritis? 



Do a fasting detoxification program to clear out acid wastes. Then eat a fresh raw foods for a month. Eat a green salad every day, and drink black cherry juice daily. Have a green drink or carrot/beet/cucumber juice every 3 days to flush the kidneys.

Avoid fats, fried foods, sugars, alcohol, red meats, caffeine, chocolate, sodas, and other oxalic acid forming foods. Eat a low salt diet. Eat 2 to 3 apples a day.

Make sure your diet is rich in whole foods, vegetables and fibers, low in sugars, meat and saturated fats. Eliminate hard liquor and fried food.



Soak feet in the hottest water you can stand for as long as you can stand.

Use castor oil packs.

Mix a solution of Vitamin C crystals and water to a paste. Apply to spur, and secure with tape. Leave on all day for several weeks to see improvement.



Kay





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              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Jean wrote in message <6ff9ec$qfm$1@news2.alpha.net>...

>Hello everyone!!

>I was wondering if anyone has any herbal remedy for a heel spur...have been

>walking as my major form of exercise and I can go about 2 months and this

>spur kicks in the pain...and I'm off the walking for a month...

>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>Thank you in advance!

>

>







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Subject: Re: DHEA Warning Label?

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:45:19 -0800

--------

Check this site for a source of good information.



http://www.ultranet.ca/neways/endau.htm



Bob



The Puddies wrote in message <6fclmj$1d3k$1@node17.frontiernet.net>...

:

:Eliza-Beth Head wrote in message <351983CF.23D26542@mailcity.com>...

:>Hello,

:>I realize that this is not a herbal question, but many people in the

:>group seem very knowledgeable about this kind of thing, so I have a

:>question. I bought a bottle of DHEA and it has a warning on the label

:>that includes "not to be taken by women of child bearing age".

:>

:>Does anyone know why this might be? It also says "not to take if you are

:>under 40", which I understand (and am not, btw) but I am still capable

:>of bearing children (if I wanted to - I do not).

:>

:>If anyone can shed light on this, I would appreciate it.

:>

:>Thanks.

:

:This is a hormone, after all.   It is not usually deficient in younger

:women, but in menopausal women it can be a big help.   I would not advise

:you to take it unless you are either starting or already menopausal.    To

:get a really certain answer you should really try to find a "natural"

doctor

:who could advise you on it.

:

:Evelyn

:

:

:









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Subject: Re: EMTs and TRASHY FRIENDS

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 00:31:02 -0500

--------

Turnip wrote:

 

>  It kills your SOUL that I have a LEGALmarriage that lasted and we're not

> going bankrupt and losing our home.  Sorry but it was your poor choice to

> hang onto to a man you couldn't have that put you in the boat you're in

> now.  Don't take your anger and frustration out on me!

> --

> 

> Carol .....

> **Many people quit looking for work when they find a job.**



okay, okay.

 I read all the replies and cutthroat answers back too. She does have

some valid replies.

  But I do have to remind everybody here that the "pills" and

"antibiotics" that which is touted by the medical profession is indeed

made from that in which we are dealing with! 

 For pete's sake!  Where did the medical profession's "experise"

originate from in the first place?! OLD WIVES TALES AND LORE! 

  There is a joke running around on this internet about medicinal

"cures" that starts off with the root, moves to medical technology and

comes back to the "root".

  As far as "plant pushers", I am with the other fellow who touted

St.Johns. Thank God!  The medical professional wanted narcotic,

addictive drugs.  They haven't a hand in the money being made by

Homeopathic fields and want it. Therefore, it is a goie thing to put a

warning that the govie doesn't formally agree with the claims.

 **Being a successful cancer victim myself, I have read and studied all

I could before the "natural" remedies. I have now been eight, count them

*8* years without it.

  Playboy did an article,( yes, the articles are good!,) about the

Governments knowledge of many successful treatments of many different

types of cancer at about the same time I was undergoing surgery for

malinoma. Because of the money the govie would lose and all the

extremely powerful charities that contribute and lobby the same, our

country is in a sad state of affairs as far as "mainstream" medical

help.

  The "plant pushers" who are for real and want to help are for real,

please don't knock it. It helped save my life.



  choalayna









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Subject: Q!!Re: Growing St. Johns Wort and Milk Thistle...

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:15:00 -0500

--------

bacafe@earthlink.net wrote:

> 

> Hello,

> I'm in central Texas and I want to start a medical grade St. Johns

> Wort(hypericum) and Milk Thistle (sillimarin) garden....please email me if you

> have experience

> growing these plants...

> also looking for seed...

> Thanks

> Jim

> bacafe@earthlink.net

> 

> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading





I got some 15000 seeds for $5.00 from Karen Shelton, Alternative Nature 

(online)  I have lost the online address due to the recent storms and

floods in our area lately ,but a search will bring it up. I live in the

southeast and I will tell you that the seeds she sent produced wonderful

plants. She even recommends freezing them before you plant!



 Choalayna

 EnchanteD EncounterS

 http://www.enchantedencounters.com

 EnchanteD EncounterS Webring!

 http://www.enchantedencounters.com/webring.htm









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Subject: !!Re: urtica in bulk....must be organic

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 01:31:27 -0500

--------

Henriette Kress wrote:



> Why Urtica urens? It's an annual, very small, and has stingers from here clear

> into the fifth universe. Whereas Urtica dioica is a perennial, grows in large

> colonies, and doesn't sting half as bad.

> So, why would you specifically want a plant that's much less prolific and much

> fiercer at defending itself?

> Especially as you can use Urtica dioica the same way as Urtica urens...

> 

> ...and when you ask for organic Urtica you should be aware that overfeeding any

> stinging nettles with manure (eg. when they grow on the heap of sheepdung) they

> concentrate nitrates (or was it nitrites? I forget), not something which you

> would want. Instead you might wish to ask for quality wildcrafted nettles, from

> not overly lush places.

> 

> Cheers

> Henriette

> 

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



Ahhh Henrietta!



   Here you are again!

  Ok folks, I have never met the lady nor does she know me but after

consulting three books to confirm what I think I know, the above answer

could have only been from this lady!

  KUDOS again!

  

 Choalayna

 EnchanteD EncounterS 

 http://www.enchantedencounters.com

 EnchanteD EncounterS Webring!

 http://www.enchantedencounters.com/webring.htm









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Subject: Re: Heel Spur & Mindless CURES

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 08:38:03 -0600

--------

Hey Carol,

Are YOU an alternative health practitioner? Do YOU have any schooling in anatomy, biology, physiology, nutrition, or diet?

Maybe you need to get some more education for yourself. You also need to read the whole post, not just parts of it.



Kay



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              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Cabbage wrote in message <01bd5a2c$26873d20$687041cf@default>...

>OR you can do the simple exercises to relieve the pain and inflammation! 

>This condition has nothing to do with acids and alkali's.... what CRAP!

>-- 

>

>Carol ....

>***Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view.***

>~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*









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Subject: Re: Heel Spur & Mindless CURES

From: Ggrrr@pop3.concentric.net

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 15:48:58 -0600

--------

Before ya go shellin out pretty big money for Birks ( and this is NOT a flame on

Birks in anyway) let me tell you this.  I never had any problem with my feet and

I was on them 10 hours a day for years.  I got a pair thinking they would help

the soreness I got by the end of the day.  Well shortly after I got them I

developed SEVERE plantar fascitis.  Now I dont know for sure if one and the

other are related but I'm really skittish about the shoes now.  My feet cramp

terribly and often and I have severe inflammation that just WONT go away.  One

thing that does help however is taping.  Make a one time appointment with an

orthopeadic Physical thereapist and ask them to show you McConnel taping so you

can do it yourself.  It might help, just dont let the P.T. tell you you need all

kinds of extensive therapy, a one time "educational" appoitment should do the

trick.  Also stay away from orthotics, they're "addictive".  That $300 you pay

for them once becaome thousands over the years as you grow dependant on them.

Just my 2 cents and good luck.

            Mare



Jean wrote:



> Well, I was just thinking how much fun it would be to follow these

> directions....I've also read somewhere on the Internet that Birkenstocks do

> wonders for heel spurs....I beleive I'll try the Birks...and keep the

> stretches and ice at night???

> Carol...you took the words right out of my mouth...how do you do that???

> Are there herbs I can take for this???

> Smilin at ya....

> jean

>

> Cabbage wrote in message <01bd5a2c$26873d20$687041cf@default>...

> >OR you can do the simple exercises to relieve the pain and inflammation!

> >This condition has nothing to do with acids and alkali's.... what CRAP!

> >--

> >

> >Carol ....

> >***Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view.***

> >~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*

> >

> >

> >slade or kay henson <nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote in article

> ><6fgd51$m0f$1@news3.alpha.net>...

> >These spurs are often the result of acid/alkaline imbalance in the body. Do

> >you also have rheumatoid arthritis?

> >

> >Do a fasting detoxification program to clear out acid wastes.











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Subject: Re: Heel Spur & Mindless CURES

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:51:46 -0800

--------

Cabbage wrote:

> 

> OR you can do the simple exercises to relieve the pain and inflammation!

> This condition has nothing to do with acids and alkali's.... what CRAP!

> --

> 

> Carol .... 

> slade or kay henson  

> These spurs are often the result of acid/alkaline imbalance in the body. Do

> you also have rheumatoid arthritis?

> 

> Do a fasting detoxification program to clear out acid wastes.





I know a woman who had the heel spurs and bone spurs on her hands the

only help the doctors gave her was to give her a lot of steroids.  After

doing a lot of research she desided to try the detoxification program

and added a lot of cherry juice to her diet.  I watched her hands

straighten out and the woman was able to go on again with her life.  She

also happened to have rheumatoid arthritis  which also went away.  It

was not an overnight cure for her it took her a year of following her

new diet for it to work.  Her Candida also went away.  I would not

discount something that you have not done any research on to verify

first.



J9





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Subject: Re: Heel Spur & Mindless CURES

From: wmorris116@aol.com (WMorris116)

Date: 29 Mar 1998 12:23:39 GMT

--------

Try acupuncture.............if your acupuncturist is an herbalist as well, they

may have access to a formula called liquidamber 15 from seven

forests.............it works well, and takes time as you are shifting bone

formation



diet and pH relate



Will





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Subject: Re: Heel Spur & Mindless CURES

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:13:13 -0600

--------

Pete & Janine wrote in message <351DA932.585D1BEE@home.com>...



>I know a woman who had the heel spurs and bone spurs on her hands the

>only help the doctors gave her was to give her a lot of steroids.  After

>doing a lot of research she desided to try the detoxification program

>and added a lot of cherry juice to her diet.  I watched her hands

>straighten out and the woman was able to go on again with her life.  She

>also happened to have rheumatoid arthritis  which also went away.  It

>was not an overnight cure for her it took her a year of following her

>new diet for it to work.  Her Candida also went away.  I would not

>discount something that you have not done any research on to verify

>first.

>

>J9



J9,

Thank you for your post. Your support is appreciated. Carol conveniently complained about a very small portion of what I originally wrote regarding the original post of this thread. I included diet change protocol as is the usual "meat" of a post I write. Cherry juice was not included, as I first asked if the poster had rheumatoid arthritis. If I had gotten a response of yes, I certainly would have added the cherry juice. You are correct in cherry juice for arthritis, as well as gout patients having good results with its use.

Thank you for your support, it is appreciated. People are slowly but surely learning proper nutrition and taking charge of their own bodies and health. It good to see others become responsible for themselves like this.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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Subject: Re: Heel Spur & Mindless CURES

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:21:12 -0600

--------

Fidget,

Here is a protocol for arthritis....



Diet change is the single most beneficial thing you can do to control any kind of arthritis. A good, alkalizing diet can prevent or neutralize arthritis even in long-standing cases.

Go on a fasting detoxification program that teaches proper nutrition and maintains blood sugar levels.

Add these foods to your diet:

artichokes, cherries, cabbages, basic cereal grains (rice, oats and corn), cold water fish, fresh fruits and vegetables, leafy greens, onions and garlic, olive oil, sweet potatoes, squashes, eggs, and parsley.

Avoid these foods:

refined foods, saturated fatty foods from meat and dairy products, wheat pastries and other high gluten foods that are also high in sugar, cholesterol and fat. Nightshade family foods such as peppers, eggplant, tomatoes, and potatoes; mustard, salty foods, caffeine, colas, chocolate and highly spiced foods.

Take Evening Primrose Oil daily (4-6)

Ginger capsules daily (4)

Turmeric caps (4)

Try ginger compresses for pain. Add fresh ground ginger to a bowl of hot water. The water should be "dirty" looking. Soak a washcloth in the water and apply to affected areas until it cools down. Reapply as needed.

Take good anti-oxidants.

Try royal jelly/ginseng 2 teaspoons daily.

Take a good calcium supplement--preferably liquid calcium. Not a calcium made from oyster or egg shells. Our bodies don't assimilate shells. Use a calcium with Vitamin D. 

Try shark cartilage.



Massage therapy, hot and cold hydrotherapy, epsom salt baths, chiropractic treatments, and overheating therapy are all effective.

There are also herbal formulas out there that help with arthritis. Just remember diet is the number one key.





By the way, Fidget, no, I don't think we laughed Carol off the group. She seems to still be with us. She has her opinions and that is okay, whether we agree with her or not. I noticed in another post you wrote that you mentioned you might not come back. I have read your posts, and you have given some valuable information and have helped others. I would ask you not to leave the group. Your input is worth it. If you get irritated with certain people, there is always the DELETE button, or the MARK AS READ button. Continue to post your knowledge on the group. People will take what they want and throw out the rest. People will figure out who truly has knowledge and is properly educated and who doesn't.



Kay





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              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Fidget wrote in message <351F03C1.67B@warwick.net>...

>My mom suffers terribly with arthritis and my sister also with

>rheumatoid arthritis.  Could you post (or email) what exactly the detox

>program consists of as well as the cherry juice?

>

>OH - BTW - is it my imagination or did we laugh Carol right off the NG?

>(shhhh - maybe I/we should speak so soon!)   Ignorance begets ignorance

>and I'm glad we have so many knowledgeable ppl here to put "those" kind

>in their rightful places.  

>

>Fidget









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Subject: Cordyceps Sinensis

From: nofollow@hotmail.com (Long Win)

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:07:48 GMT

--------

Cordyceps Sinensis is a well known and important ingredient in Chinese

medicine. It is very widely used both in clinical medicine and as a

household remedy. In the Compedium of Materia Medica, the great

classic of Chinese medicine, Cordyceps is described in detail and is

considered potent at strengthening lung and kidneys, increasing energy

and vitality, stopping hemorrhage, decreasing phlegm, and as an

overall tonic. After 20 years of study, the central pharmaceutical

research unit of China has developed Cordyceps Sinensis Hyphas

Mycelium, this being the most effective component of Cordyceps

Sinensis, and uses the newest scientific production methods to provide

the market with a homogeneous, high quality, and reliably effective

Chinese medicine that meets the requirements of modern pharmaceutical

practice. Over the course of 10 years, Cordyceps Sinensis

Hyphas Mycelium has proved itself superior to the original Cordyceps

Sinensis in tens of thousands of clinical tests carried out at sever

dozen central-grade schools of Chinese medicine, Chinese

medicine hospitals, Chinese-Western medicine hospitals, and even

hospitals of Western medicine.



Pharmaceutical Effects



The effects of Cordyceps Sinensis Hyphas Mycelium include preventing

inflammation, reducing cough, eliminating phlegm, calming, eliminating

shortness of breath, reducing inflammation, preventing excess

salivation, stimulating the functioning of the sexual glands, raising

levels of high-density lipoproteins (HDL), lowering blood cholesterol,

increasing supply of blood to heart and brain, slightly reducing blood

pressure, controlling the aggregation of blood platelets, lengthening

time that living tissue can survive without oxygen, protecting the

organization of heart and brain, and increasing the functioning of the

mononuclear megalophage cell system. 



For more information, click http://www.china-guid.com/health/ 





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Subject: Growing St. Johns Wort and Milk Thistle Info...

From: "Karen  Shelton" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 19:59:21 -0600

--------

Weeds and Seeds (also my site)

Growing info for St. Johnswort

 http://edge.net/~nature

Milk Thistle is an annual and should be easy to grow from seed. Horizon has

seed. They also have a booklet on growing St. Johnswort, which I ordered and

it was worth the five bucks. Catalog has a lot of useful info. If you order

from them please tell them I sent you. I have several packets of seed over

5000 seed for $5.00 or will trade if you have something I need.

Karen Shelton

P. O. Box 994

Manchester, TN 37349

Alternative Nature Herbal

www.altnature.com











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Subject: Re: EMTs and SILLY Relatives

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 18:20:41 -0800

--------

Cabbage wrote:

> 

> Right - and it TOOK my fathers life = how do you explain that?  And my

> Grandmother,.. what about her?  Had she taken her meds for her heart

> instead of some worthless herb she could have lived for YEARS longer then

> she did (Heart failure killed her).  You need to visit some old Cemeteries

> to see how YOUNG people died before modern meds.  They used Herbs, chicken

> bones, stones, and other natural things and they DIED!  



My family history is really different than yours.  both of my Great

Grandmothers were herbalists and midwifes.  Both lived into their late

90's.  Their children who followed there doctors advise using the modern

meds. only lived into their mid 70's.  One of my Great Grandmothers at

96 years of age finally went to see a doctor at her childrens urging

only to have the Doctor restrict her diet and put her onto medication

for diabeties.  Her last two years of life was spent with her very

unhappy with her life.  All of the foods she liked to eat was

forbidden.  My Grandparents who went to doctors most of their life ended

up spending thier last years in Nursing homes because they could not be

left on their own.  Three of them had strokes and did not know any of

the family who came to visit them.  My own mother had doctors trying to

do surgery on her.  A couple of Doctors told her that she had a Veneral

Disease.  She had been single for 20 years at that time and with no

partners.  She was worring herself sick until I dragged her to see my

midwife who was also a N.D.  for a check-up.  The test results came back

that she was a very healthy woman for her age.  I can go on and on about

the people that I know that have been harmed or killed by the medical

profession.  I am not against all doctors only those who are to

narrowminded to try alternative approaches to an illness.  My sons

Doctor I have the utmost respect for, even if he does not agree with

using alternative medicine, because he does not give antibiotics on a

drop of a hat.  



J9





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Subject: Re: EMTs and SILLY Relatives

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 12:08:14 GMT

--------

On 30 Mar 1998 07:36:49 GMT, "BeanBag" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com> wrote:

> There was nothing but herbs and other traditional medicine then - such as

>dancing around a fire, tossing animal bones and chicken blood etc.  The

>people died or lived as their immune systems either won or lost the battle.

> Other conditions such as diabetes simply killed them as no Herb takes the

>place of insulin.



Yep, and if you look at it from a Darwinian point of view the medical

field has really messed with natural selection.

Carol, 3 of my grandparents and my aunt died of cancer.....none of

them believed in "natural medicine"  they went the conventional route.

All three suffered tremendously and it sickened me to see them waste

away to nothing with the *help* of modern medicine.  

The last image I have of my grandmother was in an ICU unit, in a fetal

position hooked to all kinds of machines wearing diapers and weighing

approximately 50 pounds.......she never took an herb in her

life....only conventional medicine for her.

In my opinion your posts would do more good if posting to a smoking

newsgroup.......why not warn all those smokers of the dangers....maybe

an alcohol consumption group too.  Seeing as how 3 of the relatives

were heavy smokers and 2 were alcoholics.....mayber your message would

help someone there.

I don't choose to dwell on their deaths, or blame anyone for them.  I

instead choose to live my life as healthy as possible and move on.



bella

-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





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Subject: Re: EMTs and SILLY Relatives

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:11:38 -0800

--------

BeanBag wrote:

> 

> Your Great Grandmothers lived in a time before all this toxic waste and

> pollution, all the insecticides and other garbage that kills a lot of

> people.   

> 

>  There was nothing but herbs and other traditional medicine then - such as

> dancing around a fire, tossing animal bones and chicken blood etc. 



If a person looked into history you will find that the thing that killed

most of the people was unhealthy living conditions.  Both of my Great

Grandmothers lived well into the 1960's.  They ate the food that was

sold in the stores.  Have you looked into what they were putting into

the foods then as preservatives.  By the way my Grandmother by todays

standards should have never lived.  She weighed only 2 1/2 pounds at

birth.  They placed her into a cigar box for a bed.  



My own mother had scarlet fever as an infant with all of the

complications.  It was an herbalist who was able to pull her through.



My Aunt who is a very firm believer of doing what ever her Doctor says. 

She eats a very healthy diet but is on all kinds of medications to lower

her blood pressure and to correct her cholesterol.  This woman walks at

least 2 miles every day.  Her Doctors just put her on an herbal

combination and guess what!  After 6 months he has taken her off of the

medication that he has had her on.  She has been trying to get her

bloodpressure down for over 10 years.  Now that she is off of the

bloodpressure medication a lot of her other problems have went away.



Now in contrast my Mother who has been smoking since she was 13 and is

also a moderate drinker.  She should have a lot of medical problems for

because of her live style.  Her blood pressure is great and so is her

cholesterol.  She uses herbs to suppliment her diet along with vitamins.



From what I have been reading about our history I am even more of a

believer in herbs for that is the only thing that I could see that kept

people alive.  I have read how the Allopathic Doctors treated their

patients, they killed far more then they healed.  Added to them was what

people were fed.



The only people that I have read about that danced around the fire was

iether some of the native indians (They had a very low death rate from

what I could see from diseases until the white man came and infected

them with new diseases) or people doing things such as Voodoo. 

Everything I have read in history was that the herbalist had a very

good  track record.



J9

J9





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Subject: where to buy jojoba oil?

From: mic@.inu.net (mooky)

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:28:10 GMT

--------

Hi,  I'm looking for a mail order source for jojoba oil.  I would like

to find someone that sells it for less  than $10.95 us for 4 oz.

I use quite a bit of it on my hair and skin and its getting expensive

buying it from my local health store.

thanks 





==========

To: mooky <mic@.inu.net>

Subject: Re: where to buy jojoba oil?

From: 'budding herbalist' <herbal@thewoods.org>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:17:45 GMT

--------





mooky wrote:



> Hi,  I'm looking for a mail order source for jojoba oil.  I would like

> to find someone that sells it for less  than $10.95 us for 4 oz.

> I use quite a bit of it on my hair and skin and its getting expensive

> buying it from my local health store.

> thanks



posted & emailed:



I've been a happy customer of Mountain Rose Herbs for many years.  They

have jojoba oil [certified organic] for $6.95 for 4 oz.



You can find them @  http://www.botanical.com/mtrose/



Deb









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Subject: Re: Where can I find Rhus toxin (Poison Ivy or Toxicodendron)  extract?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 29 Mar 1998 16:11:00 -0700

--------

olfactory@webtv.net (John Causbrook) wrote:



>Try The Viamin Shoppe in New Jersey

>Toll Free 1-800-223-1216



>In the April Catalog you can find it from 2 Companies on Page 94

>1. Boericke & Tafel  Item #BT-1075

>30X Tablet 100 for $3.70

>2. Boiron

>BI-1162  200C  Pellets $5.03

>BI-1080 30C          "      $3.63

>BI-1081  12C    Pellets  $3.63

  However, those are HOMEOPATHIC preparations, and too dilute to

do anything of interest.  The person posting was looking for the

real stuff.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: garlic

From: Nilda Dorini <zara@rogers.wave.ca>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:34:25 -0800

--------

Hello,can someone give a URL where to find info on Garlic..need to find

out the nutritional values of it.Thank you Nilda  zara@rogers.wave.ca





==========

Subject: Re: garlic

From: larry@ask.net (Larry)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 03:30:35 GMT

--------

GOTO:   http://www.altavista.com



use their advanced search engine

type in keyword garlic

maybe words like research and antibiotic, added to the search might

help



And yes, garlic is backed by science.

Ciao!



-Larry



On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:34:25 -0800, Nilda Dorini <zara@rogers.wave.ca>

wrote:



>Hello,can someone give a URL where to find info on Garlic..need to find

>out the nutritional values of it.Thank you Nilda  zara@rogers.wave.ca



Larry Pew

http://www.pew.com

larry@pew.com





==========

Subject: Re: garlic

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:37:19 GMT

--------



>

>Hello,can someone give a URL where to find info on Garlic..need to find

>out the nutritional values of it.Thank you Nilda  zara@rogers.wave.ca



Hi Nilda,



Newsgroups

http://www.herbs.org/speak.html



C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





==========

Subject: Re: garlic

From: "Garlic Goddess" <paula23@sprynet.com>

Date: 31 Mar 1998 15:29:25 GMT

--------

Try this one.  It's for The Garlic Information Center in England and, IMHO,

is one of the best.  



http://www.mistral.co.uk/garlic/



Good luck!



Paula





Nilda Dorini <zara@rogers.wave.ca> wrote in article

<351EDA81.4ED9@rogers.wave.ca>...

> Hello,can someone give a URL where to find info on Garlic..need to find

> out the nutritional values of it.Thank you Nilda  zara@rogers.wave.ca

> 





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Subject: Herbs for ADD/ADHD

From: "CyberKnight" <cybrnite@infocom[remove_this_non-spammer].net>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 18:05:49 -0600

--------

Is there any Herbs that any would recommend to aid in concentration and

other ADD/ADHD issues? Please keep an open mind when replying.



~~~Darren



--------------------------------------









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Subject: Re: Herbs for ADD/ADHD

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:33:46 -0600

--------

My son was on Ritalin for a while. He was then switched to Dexedrine. Then they wanted to switch him to Klonipin (not sure of the spelling). I took him completely off the Dexedrine, detoxed him for a week with blood purifying herbs so he wouldn't have withdrawals from it, then started him on a mixture of herbs to relax and calm him. These herbs were: Passion Flower, Valerian Root, Chamomile, flower, Hops flowers, Catnip, Lavender Flower, Myrrh gum, and Spearmint leaves. He did wonderful on this mixture. He was calm, could think, could interact with others without being loud and destructive, and he didn't have the "stoned and stupid" gaze in his eyes. He is now 7 years old, and doesn't take it any longer unless we have something out of the ordinary going on. We also use behavior modification with him and have taught him to control himself and his behavior. Along with that, is a diet change. We have very good nutrition in our house, and it has calmed down around here immensely!!



Kay







  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



CyberKnight wrote in message <6fo963$hb6$1@usenet76.supernews.com>...

>Is there any Herbs that any would recommend to aid in concentration and

>other ADD/ADHD issues? Please keep an open mind when replying.

>

>~~~Darren

>

>--------------------------------------

>

>







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Subject: Re: Herbs for ADD/ADHD

From: "W. Cathey" <carter1@sprynet.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:37:47 -0600

--------

Kay



I am perplexed by ADD and the apparently skyrocketing number of cases out

there.  My gut instinct is that too many doctors are rushing to medicate

children that may or may not need it.  This is purely my opinion, but it

seems strange to me that twenty years ago I never had any experience or even

heard of anything like ADD.



I have a friend who teaches middle school and she has a kid that has ADD in

her class.  Every month or so, his prescription runs out and the mother

doesn't (for some reason I have not pursued) fill it for a few days to a

week.  For that time, this kid is a terror and teaching the class ceases to

control him.  Sadly, on his medications, this kid is apparently a good kid

and a good student.  It is a frightening condition that I know nothing

about.



Has any research concluded causes or contributing factors to ADD?



Also, I wonder if ADD/ADHD is only on the rise in this country or if it is a

global problem?



-Carter



slade or kay henson wrote in message <6fpa50$bo6$1@news2.alpha.net>...

My son was on Ritalin for a while. He was then switched to Dexedrine. Then

they wanted to switch him to Klonipin (not sure of the spelling). I took him

completely off the Dexedrine, detoxed him for a week with blood purifying

herbs so he wouldn't have withdrawals from it, then started him on a mixture

of herbs to relax and calm him. These herbs were: Passion Flower, Valerian

Root, Chamomile, flower, Hops flowers, Catnip, Lavender Flower, Myrrh gum,

and Spearmint leaves. He did wonderful on this mixture. He was calm, could

think, could interact with others without being loud and destructive, and he

didn't have the "stoned and stupid" gaze in his eyes. He is now 7 years old,

and doesn't take it any longer unless we have something out of the ordinary

going on. We also use behavior modification with him and have taught him to

control himself and his behavior. Along with that, is a diet change. We have

very good nutrition in our house, and it has calmed down around here

immensely!!



Kay







  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



CyberKnight wrote in message <6fo963$hb6$1@usenet76.supernews.com>...

>Is there any Herbs that any would recommend to aid in concentration and

>other ADD/ADHD issues? Please keep an open mind when replying.

>

>~~~Darren

>

>--------------------------------------

>

>











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Subject: Re: Herbs for ADD/ADHD

From: bienpretti@aol.com (BienPretti)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 16:00:28 GMT

--------

Carter,



ADD/ADHD has been around for a very long time.  those of us who had it 30 odd

years ago were diagnosed as simply "bad", "lazy", "loud", etc.  



ADD is just the 'name' the scientific community has given this behavioral

problem.  it, to my knowledge, is resultant from misfiring neurotransmitters

and is hereditary.  I have also been told by my doctor that children who have

this condition (as i did) and are not treated in some fashion - particularly

with behavior modification efforts - will grow into adults who experience

clinical depression.  these children need lots of attention, love, and

understanding.  they also need a firm hand and consistency with discipline.  



you write:  >> Sadly, on his medications, this kid is apparently a good kid and

a good student. <<  



This is true of most children who are classified ADD/ADHD.  when provided with

the appropriate calming influences, these children are brilliant.  studies have

shown (and i can't cite any off the top of my head - i'm sorry) that ADD/ADHD

children have an intelligence factor which is way above average.  My son is a

prime example.   He is a bright child with little discipline or focus.  i work

hard to help provide him with those so that he can fulfill his potential.  I

don't like what the current plethora of drugs do to him - or any of the other

children i've seen who take them.  I'm hoping to try Kay's herbal concoction

and that it will provide him with some relief from his hyperactivity and lack

of focus so that he can settle into himself as the child he really is.

i ramble like a hallucinating muskrat.





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Subject: Re: Herbs for ADD/ADHD

From: bienpretti@aol.com (BienPretti)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 15:50:26 GMT

--------

Kay - was this a decoction you made from all these herbs, or were they given to

your son in encapsulated form?  my 9 year old son is ADHD and i have taken him

off ritalin precisely for the reason you state "the stoned and stupid"

look...my son is a brilliant 9 year old with a big heart and lots of puckish

mischief.  my only challenge is in calming him down enough so that he can

understand the consequences of his behavior.  Can you tell me how you

administer these herbs?  I'd love to give it a try on my son.



thanks..  maureen.

i ramble like a hallucinating muskrat.





==========

Subject: Re: Herbal website & quackwatch

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 16:08:09 -0800

--------

What a joke. A couple of doctors who set them selves up as the guardians of

your health. Talk about brainwashing. There only interest is to keep people

like you buying there highly expensive, and a lot of times, useless drugs.

What someone needs to do is set up a Quack watch for the medical profession.

It would serve a much better purpose , and probably save a lot more lives.

Modern medicine is fine, but a hell of a lot more people have died at the

hands of the medical profession than ever will from alternative medicine.



How many people can say truthfully, that they personally know some one who

has died as a result of taking an overdose of herbs. How many people do you

know that have died from an overdose of so called "safe" drugs, prescription

and non prescription.

Why do you think the medical profession carries such high mal-practice

insurance.

Because people die needlessly from Quacks or inexperienced doctors.



Take charge of your health ( Baaa,Baaaa,Baaaa,Baaaa)



Bob





Cabbage wrote in message <01bd5a2b$7c30abe0$687041cf@default>...

:Try this Url  http://www.quackwatch.com and see the scams...

:--

:

:Carol .....

:***Success always occurs in private, and failure in full view.***

:~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*

:

:<01bd59a1$27c3ec00$bd560ecf@semonis>...

:> If you like what you see leave address and i will send infromation on

:> wholesale?

:> http://www.servcom.com/semonis/index.htm

:>









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Subject: Evening primrose oil?

From: asong4god@aol.com (ASong4God)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 03:03:57 GMT

--------

Are there any known side effects to evening primrose oil?  Or overdose

quantities?



Thank you so much!

.                                                         Julia

.

.                      All things work together for good to them that love God.

.                                                                              

   Romans 8:28

.





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Subject: Re: Libido enhancer & DHEA

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:31:11 -0500

--------

Sorry for the confusion, but I am a woman.  My name is Marie.  I use my

husband's email and frequently forget to sign my posts.



I neglected to say in the post you mentioned, that DHEA should not be used

unless you get a hormone test first and periodically during supplementation.

As you want to test free DHEA not DHEA-s, a saliva test is the easiest and

most accurate.  A kit is available from TriMedica 800-800-8849 (nic).



If you take too much DHEA you can end up with angina or worse.



For herbal, and much safer, help with this problem, try a product called

Women's Energy Formula 888-437-2362 (nic), or the web site

http://www.healthfree.com/schulze/healing/



--



>I saw a recent post of yours regarding DHEA for libido.  Most of the posts

>are from women, so I couldn't be sure how DHEA would help in men.  Did you

>successfully use DHEA to boost your libido?

>

>regards,

>

>Oliver

>











==========

Subject: Any herbs for Fibromyalgia?

From: suncj@aol.com (Suncj)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 05:12:17 GMT

--------

My niece was recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Anyone have any information

on this to help her. She said it causes bad headaches, skin tingles and itches

and has trouble sleeping and it cannot be cured.  Thanks for any help.





==========

Subject: Re: Any herbs for Fibromyalgia?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 05:20:01 -0700

--------

suncj@aol.com (Suncj) wrote:



>My niece was recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Anyone have any information

>on this to help her. She said it causes bad headaches, skin tingles and itches

>and has trouble sleeping and it cannot be cured.  Thanks for any help.

  Recommending treatments is not precise for this: for one, the

symptoms come and go so one is never sure whether something

worked or if the condition was in a "good" period.

  There is no currently known cause or cure, however, it does go

away for most people.  One trick is to rest, eat properly, and

don't overdo physical activity (on the grounds that you body

needs to spend energy healing and not running around).



  However, for symptomatic relief:



Headaches: If they are posture dependent - worse when she stands

up and go away when she is lying down - Damiana, standard herb

store capsules, twice a day.  I've seen it recommended in a

Mexican Materia Medica, and it works for the headaches of chronic

fatigue syndrome.



Skin tingles and itches:  This is not a common fibromyalgia

symptom.  Make sure she doesn't just have "winter itch" or

overdry skin.  The Damiana will temporarily make her skin a bit

more tingly about an hour after taking it: that will go away with

continued use.



Trouble sleeping: A tea made of 1 part linden flower(Tilia

Europa), one part lemon balm (Melissa), with a bit of peppermint

added to kill the "weedy" flavor of the linden flowers.



Overall: Echinacea is one herbal antiinflammatory that is easy to

get. Taken in smaller than recommended doses (2 capsules a day

instead of the 6 the bottle recommends) it can take the edge off

her muscle pains and overall yucky feelings.



Good, cheap homemade tea bags: use coffee filters, bundle the

loose herbs into the middle and make a pouch.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Any herbs for Fibromyalgia?

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:31:22 -0600

--------

Some doctors say that fibromyalgia comes from using muscles too much, to the point where they are stressed or get injured. Others say it's the result of not using your muscles enough, another consequence of a sedentary lifestyle. Others say it begins with mono, chronic fatigue syndrome, then arthritis, and finally fibromyalgia (which means pain in the fibrous muscle tissue.) Either way, this condition leaves muscles hurting so bad that the pain interferes with moving around and even sleeping. 



A successful dietary program for this condition usually requires some level of cleansing therapy, fresh vegetarian food, few or no animal products, and immune-enhancing treatments, including appropriate herbs, GLA oils, chlorophyll-rich foods, and moderate regular exercise. Avoid calcium inhibitors: excess meat or protein from any source; intoxicants (alcohol, tobacco, coffee, marijuana, etc.); refined sugar and too many sweets; and excess salt. Drink distilled water.



"Alternative Medicine--The Definitive Guide" is a book that gives lots of information on arthritis. It stresses PROPER NUTRITION, DETOXIFICATION, AND STRESS REDUCTION. I agree with it. It gives information on alternative treatments including shark cartilage, sea cucumber, and arthritis being linked to dental amalgams.  Herbs it says to use are meadowsweet, willow bark, black cohosh, prickly ash, celery seed, and nettle.

If you decide to detoxify, be careful of all the products out there. The first thing I ask when looking at a detoxification program is "Do you eat while on it?" If you do, then I don't buy it. The purpose of detoxification is to cleanse the colon and to let your body heal. You can't put solid food in when you are trying to get rid of waste. You want the waste OUT. You don't want to make MORE! Plus, your body would be expending its energy to digest the solids. You want your body to expend its energy HEALING.

I hope this information will help you out in your search. Good luck to you.



Kay





-- 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Suncj wrote in message <1998033005121701.AAA09426@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>My niece was recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Anyone have any information

>on this to help her. She said it causes bad headaches, skin tingles and itches

>and has trouble sleeping and it cannot be cured.  Thanks for any help.







==========

Subject: Stomach problems

From: pumper@NOSPAMbigfoot.com (Ramrod)

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:33:56 -0800

--------

can someone tell me a herb that will control Gas. I am 57 yrs old male. I 

pass gas all the time unexspectedly very embarassing in public.  Also 

what is a good source for lots of Fiber in pill form. Could someone reply 

via email, I dont get to view this group too often.





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Subject: Stomach problems

From: pumper@NOSPAMbigfoot.com (Ramrod)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:17:49 -0800

--------

can someone tell me a herb that will control Gas. I am 57 yrs old male. I 

pass gas all the time unexspectedly very embarassing in public.  Also 

what is a good source for lots of Fiber in pill form. 



Remove the NOSPAM B4 Replying





==========

Subject: Re: Stomach problems

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:31:39 -0600

--------

Ramrod wrote:

 

> can someone tell me a herb that will control Gas. I am 57 yrs old 

> male. I pass gas all the time unexspectedly very embarassing in 

> public.  Also what is a good source for lots of Fiber in pill form.

 

> Remove the NOSPAM B4 Replying



Chew fennel seed for gas.  I'm not current on the various brands of

fiber pills, I'd eat oats for soluble fiber.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Re: Stomach problems

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:04:56 GMT

--------

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:17:49 -0800, pumper@NOSPAMbigfoot.com (Ramrod)

wrote:



>can someone tell me a herb that will control Gas. I am 57 yrs old male. I 

>pass gas all the time unexspectedly very embarassing in public.  Also 

>what is a good source for lots of Fiber in pill form. 



I started with gas a couple of months ago and used a homeopathic

medicine for it for a bit...but wanted to find out why I was getting

it even when I didn't eat stuff that is usually known to make one

gassy.

I talked to an herbalist who suggested I do a colon cleanse.  So far

so good. <grin>  I would suggest the same for you....go to a reputable

health food store and ask about colon cleansing.  They should be able

to point you in the right direction.

bright blessings,

bella

-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





==========

Subject: Re: Stomach problems

From: 601146@ican.net (Dom)

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:33:27 GMT

--------

It's not a vitamin, but BEANO worked well for me on the Cabbage Diet.

Dom



On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:17:49 -0800, pumper@NOSPAMbigfoot.com (Ramrod)

wrote:



>can someone tell me a herb that will control Gas. I am 57 yrs old male. I 

>pass gas all the time unexspectedly very embarassing in public.  Also 

>what is a good source for lots of Fiber in pill form. 

>

>Remove the NOSPAM B4 Replying







==========

Subject: Re: DHEA PRIME EXAMPLE

From: 'budding herbalist' <herbal@thewoods.org>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:42:25 GMT

--------

Get real, Carol.  This 'victim' walked into a store and bought something off

the shelf.  She didn't pay for medical advice, just a product.



As anyone who regularly reads this group knows, [should know, as it is said

repeatedly] we are all responsible for learning about the 'food supplements'

we choose to use.  As Lily found out, for her, less was better.



One more thing.  DHEA is not an herb.  It really dosen't belong on this

newsgroup.



All Standard disclaimers apply



Deb







BeanBag wrote:



> Read the below.... another victim of an herb seller!  JANINE?

>

> Carol .....

> ***The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.***

> ~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*

> >

> > I purchased DHEA for pms symtoms. I took it for two days and  I

> > couldn't GET to sleep for two days until 4 a.m. It was 25 mg. What the

> > 'knowledgeable' person in the store said was 'right' for a woman

> > between 35 and 50. [yeah...I should have listened to that small voice,

> > but I was tired and didn't]. Anyway I have found out that perhaps 15

> > mg would be best. As soon as I quit taking it, I slept well. : )

> >

> > Lily

> >











==========

Subject: kidney help

From: Judy <critterz@concentric.net>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:00:16 -0600

--------

Which herbs/nutritional supplements are benefical to the kidneys?





==========

Subject: Re: kidney help

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:58:59 GMT

--------



>Which herbs/nutritional supplements are benefical to the kidneys?



Try The Herb Research Foundation: http://www.herbs.org/speak.html



C.L. Getz 





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





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Subject: Food Allergies

From: "Donna & Frank at Angel's Rest" <angelsrest@localaccess.net>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:20:46 -0600

--------

I have multipul food allergies, especialy those that cause migraine

headaches.  I am particularly sensative to preservatives and MSG.

Does any one know if there is anything that will help tone down these

sensativities?



--

God's Peace to You

Donna at Angels Rest









==========

Subject: Re: Food Allergies

From: georg <the.whichwaydidhego.georg@servtech.NARF.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 15:19:34 -0500

--------

Donna & Frank at Angel's Rest wrote:

> 

> I have multipul food allergies, especialy those that cause migraine

> headaches.  I am particularly sensative to preservatives and MSG.

> Does any one know if there is anything that will help tone down these

> sensativities?



I also have multiple food allergies, and have learned to cope.

Unfortunately, I cannot offer any herbs concerning it, although I use

a lot of fresh herbs as spices instead of prepackaged stuff from

grocery stores.



The easiest thing is avoiding all chemical preservatives, or at least

as much as possible. Make everything from scratch if you can.



Figure out what foods you *can* eat, and rotate them in your diet. I

am mildly allergic to corn, eggs, wheat and milk, and I can eat them,

if I have a serving every other day, or every third day. This calls

for meal planning, but it works. If I stick to this kind of diet, I

have found a slow build up of tolerance in my system for these things. 



In fact, if I avoid everything I am allergic to for a couple of days,

I can go out to a restaurant and not fret over what will be served-

assuming of course that I have kept to my rotation for 2 weeks prior.

Unfortunately, I have to start the rotation over again immediately.



For food allergies, these two tricks are the only effective ones I

know. You must either avoid or moderate in rotation everything you are

allergic to. I had one allergist tell me that he didn't even believe

in food allergies! And the other doctors I have spoken with didn't

know of any other means.



-georg

non any sunt permittendi





==========

Subject: Re: Food Allergies

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 31 Mar 1998 01:04:05 GMT

--------

Well you could try and control your diet and not ingest these things..stick

to whole food, and dont buy processed and packaged foods...Also avoid take

away Junk food...I dont know of anything that will "tone down" food

allergies, the answer is diet...



I have multiple food allergies too, its tough but you get used to it..and

so do your friends and family after a while..hehe



Good luck



Stacey





Donna & Frank at Angel's Rest <angelsrest@localaccess.net> wrote in article

<6fom3d$nj2@news.localaccess.net>...

> I have multipul food allergies, especialy those that cause migraine

> headaches.  I am particularly sensative to preservatives and MSG.

> Does any one know if there is anything that will help tone down these

> sensativities?

> 

> --

> God's Peace to You

> Donna at Angels Rest

> 

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Food Allergies

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:26:07 GMT

--------

On 30 Mar 1998, "Donna at Angel's Rest" <angelsrest@localaccess.net> wrote:



>I have multipul food allergies, especialy those that cause migraine

>headaches.  I am particularly sensative to preservatives and MSG.

>Does any one know if there is anything that will help tone down these

>sensativities?



Change your diet. Snipped from a mailing list post. 



Sender: Paleolithic Diet Symposium List <PALEODIET@MAELSTROM.STJOHNS.EDU>

From: Loren Cordain <cordain@CAHS.COLOSTATE.EDU>



    Both cereal grains and

legumes contain glycoproteins called lectins which bind intestinal

epithelial cells and change the permeability characteristics of these

intestinal cells (4,5). Not only do these lectins cause an increase of

the translocation of gut bacteria to the peripheracy, they cause an

increased overgrowth of gut bacteria as well as a change in the gut

flora (4,5). Further, cereal and legume derived lectins (WGA, PHA

respectively) cause increased expression of intracellular adhesion

molecules (ICAM) in lymphocytes (6) which allow bacterial/immune

complexes to move from gut to the affected tissue. Additionally,

cereal and legume lectins increase lymphocytic expression of common

inflammatory cytokines such as tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNFa),

interleukin 1 (IL-1) and IL-6 which are known promoters of autoimmune

disease.

        The cell walls of cereals and legumes contain a storage protein,

GRP 180, which also can act as a ligand to self presented MHC peptides

(7). Further, peptides contained in dairy proteins (bovine serum

albumins - BSA, among many) also may contain peptide sequences which can

interact with endogenously presented peptides (8). Cereal, legume,

dairy and yeast free diets potentially have therapeutic benefit in many

autoimmune related disorders via their ability to reduce gut

permeability and decrease the exogenous antigenic load both from

pathogenic bacteria and from potentially self mimicking dietary

peptides.



                                REFERENCES



4.      Liener IE.  Nutritional significance of lectins in the diet.

In: The Lectins: Properties, Functions, and Applications in Biology and

Medicine.  IE Liener (Ed), Academic Press, Orlando, pp 527-52.

5.      Pusztai A.  Dietary lectins are metabolic signals for the gut

and modulate immune and hormone functions. Eur J Clin Nutr

1993;47:691-99.

6.      Koch AE et al.  Soluble intercellular adhesion molecule-1 in

arthritis. Clin Immuunol Immunopathol 1994;71:208-15.

7.      Dybwad A et al.  Increases serum and synovial fluid antibodies

to immunoselected peptides in patients with rheumatoid arthritis.  Ann

Rhem Dis 1996;55:437-41.

8.      Perez-Maceda B et a.  Antibodies to dietary antigens in

rheumatoid arthritis--possibel molecular mimicry mechanism.  Clin Chim

Acta 1991;203:153-65.





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Subject: Super Lice going around

From: starc46021@aol.com (Starc46021)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 16:31:51 GMT

--------

I have posted here before, asking for advice on a lice problem my kids were

having.  I since then have bought a new computer and lost all the info. I had

before.  If someone could let me know what herbs, oils or anything that they

have tried that has worked.  I live in Fl. and there is an epidemic going

around.  The over the counter stuff hasn't worked in years.  This is a long

battle for my daughter, she has had it 22 times since she started school.  I'm

at my wits end please help:-)



Thank you in advance.

sTaRcHiLd



Starc46021@aol.com





==========

Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:01:16 GMT

--------



>I have posted here before, asking for advice on a lice problem my kids were

>having.  I since then have bought a new computer and lost all the info. I had

>before.  If someone could let me know what herbs, oils or anything that they

>have tried that has worked.  I live in Fl. and there is an epidemic going

>around.  The over the counter stuff hasn't worked in years.  This is a long

>battle for my daughter, she has had it 22 times since she started school.  I'm

>at my wits end please help:-)

>

>Thank you in advance.

>sTaRcHiLd

>

>Starc46021@aol.com



Look for answers at these excellent web sites: 

http://cgi.pathfinder.com/drweil/  is Dr.Andrew Weil's web site, and 

http//www.herbs.org/speak.html is for The Herb Research Foundation.



Good luck!

C.L. Getz





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Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: geraldine@clara.stockingnet (Geraldine )

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:30:06 GMT

--------

On 30 Mar 1998 16:31:51 GMT, starc46021@aol.com (Starc46021) wrote:



>I have posted here before, asking for advice on a lice problem my kids were

>having.  I since then have bought a new computer and lost all the info. I had

>before.  If someone could let me know what herbs, oils or anything that they

>have tried that has worked.  I live in Fl. and there is an epidemic going

>around.  The over the counter stuff hasn't worked in years.  This is a long

>battle for my daughter, she has had it 22 times since she started school.  I'm

>at my wits end please help:-)

>

I recently consulted a herbalist about this for my sister's children.



She suggested applying tea tree oil to the hair before bedtime

(expensive if the child has long hair) and keeping it on all night,

using an old pillow for the child to sleep on.



In the morning, wash the hair with tea tree shampoo and in the final

rinse add about 5 drops of tea tree oil.



Thereafter, to prevent reinfestation, wash regularly with tea tree

shampoo.



Now, I do not yet know whether this works, and I suppose that you will

have to be sure that the child does not have eczema or a skin allergy

to the oil.



Here in the UK the superlice is also getting to be a problem and

parents are also getting worried about the increasingly drastic

substances which the Education Authorities recommend using to get rid

of them.  After all, we all remember DDT, Agent Orange and sheep dip

with organophosphates, don't we? 



I do sympathise with your problem because although no-one else in our

family has had it except my nephew, here we are told to treat the

whole family, so it creates an enormous fuss.



Isn't it strange how one child will never get them and another child,

equally clean and close friends or even family to the lice-free child

will get them over and over again?  



My nephew has had them often but his long-haired sister has never had

them.



I hope that this helps.



Geraldine

--

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Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 20:31:31 GMT

--------

Dear Starchild,



     I have found that just plain cooking oil works.  Go to you local super

market and by any cooking oil and one shower cap(with no holes in it)  before

bed, soak the childs head (root to tip)  in the oil, continue to do so until

the oil runs off because the hair is so saturated.  Then apply the shower cap. 

Use an old pillow for bedtime.  In the morning, wash the hair.  Might even find

several dead lice already in the shower cap.  What the oil does is suffecates

them.  It worked with my niece and nephew and the rest of the house hold.  It

even kills the eggs, but does not remove them.  you  might want to ask for

another remedy for that.  You should do this every other day for a month to

make sure all the adult lice are dead and all the eggs.  Good luck and good

hunting.



  Raven at raven_d@hotmail.com







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Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: Vicky Rowe <marsaili@bigfoot.com>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:32:05 -0500

--------

HotEsct4U wrote:

> 

<snip>

 You should do this every other day for a month to

> make sure all the adult lice are dead and all the eggs.  Good luck and good

> hunting.

> 

>   Raven at raven_d@hotmail.com



I have used this method several times, and it is indeed effective. I add

tea tree oil to the cooking oil, for it's antiseptic properties, and the

wee buggies don't like it either. And my daughter's tender scalp likes

it too.



My experience for my daughter was that two applications, spaced one week

apart solved the problem. I also used a nit comb to remove all the eggs

I could find. And I dipped the comb in rubbing alcohol between passes

throught her hair. This not only helped to remove the eggs, but helped

to remove excess oil from her hair as well.



All in all, a very effective treatment, IMHO.





-- 

Wassail!



vicky

=================================================

http://www.bigfoot.com/~marsaili

=================================================

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Hm..what's this red button fo:=/07Hmm...Nice tagline. SUCKER!!! AH,

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!







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Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:35:39 -0600

--------

Use one part essential oil of lavender mixed with three parts olive oil. After scrubbing the scalp with the mixture of oils, a vinegar rinse helps to loosen the nits from the hair shaft. Follow with a thorough combing and removal of the eggs, as well as the usual cleaning process.



Kay







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              or

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Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: moondaughter@geocities.com

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 20:32:58 -0600

--------

In article <1998033016315100.LAA03250@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

  starc46021@aol.com (Starc46021) wrote:

>

> I have posted here before, asking for advice on a lice problem my kids were

> having.  I since then have bought a new computer and lost all the info. I

had

> before.  If someone could let me know what herbs, oils or anything that they

> have tried that has worked.  I live in Fl. and there is an epidemic going

> around.  The over the counter stuff hasn't worked in years.  This is a long

> battle for my daughter, she has had it 22 times since she started school.

I'm

> at my wits end please help:-)

>

> Thank you in advance.

> sTaRcHiLd

>

> Starc46021@aol.com

>



hi,

 you have all my sympathy!!! i lived in fl. for a long time and i have four

daughters with long hair... nothing worked until i found this... please don't

use the otc chemical stuff as it is ineffective and dangerous!! this will

work, just make sure you buy pure essential oil...



20 drops lemon essential oil

20 drops rosemary oil

20 drops tea tree oil

20 drops lavender oil

1 cup olive oil



   mix these together well, and apply on dry hair. you need to saturate the

hair, and work it into the scalp... place a plastic shower cap on the hair

and leave on overnight, in the morning rub shampoo into the hair before you

try to rinse, it will take alot of shampooing to get it out. then you have to

get the eggs out, i'm sure you already know how. repeat the oil treatment in

6 days, and remove any eggs that may be there.this is the only thing that has

worked effectively for me... good luck!!!

                                               moondaughter





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Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 05:30:01 -0700

--------

moondaughter@geocities.com wrote:





>   mix these together well, and apply on dry hair. you need to saturate the

>hair, and work it into the scalp... place a plastic shower cap on the hair

>and leave on overnight, in the morning rub shampoo into the hair before you

>try to rinse, it will take alot of shampooing to get it out. then you have to

>get the eggs out, i'm sure you already know how. repeat the oil treatment in

>6 days, and remove any eggs that may be there.



For what it's worth - 

  Lice cannot survive away from their host for more than a day or

so, and the warmer it is the less time they survive (12 hours at

40 degrees C, up to a week or more at 5 degrees C). Lice in

clothing can be killed by half an hour's exposure to 70 degrees C

(you'll have to translate to degrees F, but it's less than the

boiling point of water, and easily achieved inside a black trash

bag in direct sunlight almost anywhere.)

  Females lay a few eggs each day, attaching them individually to

the base of a hair.  The eggs hatch in about a week in warm

climates, and slightly longer in cold climates). The hatched

louse takes 14 days to mature, and lives about a month and a

half.

  Given the life cycle and times, what you are calling multiple

infections might be just one with incomplete kill each time -

knocking the population down enough so the symptoms disappear for

a while. Lice aren't a fast-multiplying parasite. It would take

up to three weeks for any unkilled eggs to hatch and mature, then

another three weeks for their offspring to start laying eggs ...

as long a s three or four months gfor the population to build up

enough to cause symptoms.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 19:35:00 -0700

--------

starc46021@aol.com (Starc46021) wrote:



>I have posted here before, asking for advice on a lice problem my kids were

>having.This is a long battle for my daughter, she has had it 22 times 

>since she started school.

  The USPHS and CDC posted a new treatment: thoroughly grease the

child's hair with plain vaseline in the evening.  Cover their

hair with a shower cap to protect the bedding.  Shampoo the

grease out in the morning ... takes several sudsings.



  This level of re-infestation indicates that your child's

friends and their families have a serious problem. You are going

to have to get the SCHOOL and the OTHER PARENTS totally into a

planned attack on the lice and the behaviors that are spreading

them. 



Sharing hats, combs, and brushes are ways to spread lice.  Tell

your child to STOP sharing to keep form getting the critters over

and over again.



1. Get together with her classmates parents, and parents of any

other children she contacts. Set a date, with as many parents as

possible participating.

2. On that date, give EVERYBODY in all the households the

vaseline treatment, wash all the hair toys, combs, brushes, etc.

in hot soapy water.  Assume they are all infested.

3. Non-washable things can be sealed in black garbage bags and

left in the sun to heat-treat for a couple of days.

4. Have some sessions with the children about pest control and

prevention.  Sharing is a good thing, but sharing personal

grooming items leads to lice.  Lice are bad.







Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Question...

From: "R.Baker" <trygg@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:40:56 -0600

--------

I am looking for the herb listing for chinese Dit da Jow.

Any ideas?? 

(FYI it has uses in preventing bruises, promotes healing etc.

((I am looking for traditional ingredient posts)))

Thanks in advance,

Roy





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Subject: deoderant with aloe vera???

From: kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 16:55:31 GMT

--------

someone posted a recipe for deoderant using aloe vera gel   could u please

email it to me??   i lost it!!! :) and would like to try it! thanks in

advance!!  also if anyone wants to send me "recipes" for other deoderant or any

herbal/natural goods i would love them!!

peace and hugs,

sara :)

kyndthreds@aol.com

***check out my webpage!!!   http://members.aol.com/kyndthreds/kynd.html***

"mellow mood has got me darlin', let the music rock me, darlin' " -marley <3





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Subject: Re: deoderant with aloe vera???

From: awvacabrew@aol.com (AWVacaBrew)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 20:59:09 GMT

--------

Baking soda works for me.



>someone posted a recipe for deoderant using aloe vera gel   could u please

email it to me??   i lost it!!! :) and would like to try it! thanks in

advance!!  also if anyone wants to send me "recipes" for other deoderant or any

herbal/natural goods i would love them!!>









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Subject: hair loss????

From: kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 17:04:28 GMT

--------

does anyone know any herbal/natural remedies to help this??  please email me

with any info u may have..... thank u

sara :)

***check out my webpage!!!   http://members.aol.com/kyndthreds/kynd.html***

"mellow mood has got me darlin', let the music rock me, darlin' " -marley <3





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Subject: Re: hair loss????

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 18:04:01 GMT

--------

Rosemary is reputed to be of help here



Add a few drops of rosemary essential oil to a light massage oil and massage

into your scalp before retiring



Or simply steep fresh rosemary in a good base oil for a few weks and use that

oil (once u strain off the rosemary)



Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







==========

Subject: Re: natural pesticides and fertilizers

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:00:32 -0600

--------



> 

> The wormhouse or whatever has several trays and costs $129.00, but I think

> you could modify a plastic trash can to work well enough.  The smell will

> most likely be pretty intense, but outside this wouldn't be a problem.

> 



I saw this in action at a boy scout rally, the worms were in a plastic 

trash can, and 	there WAS NO ODOR.  Neatest thing I ever saw.  This will 

be the composting method of choice when I finally get things going.  The 

odor was SO in control, you could actually keep the can IN the house.



Gale





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Subject: New Acne Study for Males Being Recruited

From: westexsun@aol.com (WesTexSun)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 19:01:07 GMT

--------



Currently, there is active recruiting going on for a clinical study on mild to

moderate acne in males aged 18-35.  As the drug is in the initial stages of

testing, little to no info is available from the recruiting office.  They

couldn't tell me whether the compound being tested was topical or systemic,

whether it was a retinoid or anti-androgen, or even who the manufacturer is. 

There are various centers across a large region conducting the studies, so

geography shouldn't really be a factor.  Because the study population is

gender-specific, I would think that the drug being tested is of an

anti-androgenic nature.  The phone number at which to contact the center is

1-888-721-7204.  Good luck to those who participate, and please keep the board

posted on your progress (if any).



~R~





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Subject: drying home-grown herbs

From: "W. Cathey" <carter1@sprynet.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:22:48 -0600

--------

It was suggested to me that I use my food dehydrator to dry my herbs from my

garden.  I am rather new to all this, so I was hoping that someone might

suggest to me the method, technique, timing, etc. necessary to dry herbs.



Any relevant advice about drying herbs would be appreciated.



-Carter











==========

To: "W. Cathey" <carter1@sprynet.com>

Subject: Re: drying home-grown herbs

From: Scott Dunbar <appanat@nbnet.nb.ca>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 06:26:18 -0400

--------

Hanging smallish bunches in a warm, dry, and dark place is a time honoured

tradition in drying herbs. Good air circulation is a must. Some folks prefer

rack drying , and that may work well for roots, which should be sliced

thinly.and spread thinly.

   A sample drying time would be 10-14 days for Saint john's wort. After drying,

they can be stored in a light resistant container, sich as a cardboard box or

paper  bag.



     ttfn    ian



W. Cathey wrote:



> It was suggested to me that I use my food dehydrator to dry my herbs from my

> garden.  I am rather new to all this, so I was hoping that someone might

> suggest to me the method, technique, timing, etc. necessary to dry herbs.

>

> Any relevant advice about drying herbs would be appreciated.

>

> -Carter











==========

Subject: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 20:33:42 GMT

--------



     I have been looking for natural dyes for the hair.  I would prefer any

help with BLACK DYES, but any would still be helpful.  Thank you.



 Raven at   raven_d@hotmail.com







==========

Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 19:37:00 -0700

--------

hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) wrote:



>

>     I have been looking for natural dyes for the hair.  I would prefer any

>help with BLACK DYES, but any would still be helpful.  Thank you.



  I have seen "black henna" in some beauty supply stores.  It is

henna and another herb (perhaps indigo).



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:05:43 -0600

--------

Here are a couple of herbal recipes for you:



Darkens Hair:

Pour 1 cup of boiling water over 3 Tablespoons of rosemary. Let stand overnight. Strain and add as a final rinse. This also enhances curly hair. As a bonus, it really makes the hair glossy and leaves a nice smell.



Darkens Gray Hair:

To darken gray hair, pour 1 cup boiling water over 4 Tablespoons of dried sage. Let steep overnight. Combine with 1 cup commercial tea and work into hair every night until desired color is reached. Native Americans have used sage tea as a treatment for gray hair for centuries.



Hair Coloring For Brunettes:

Mix together 1/4 cup of powdered chamomile and 1/2 cup of powdered henna. Add just enough boiling water to make a paste along with 1 Tablespoon of vinegar. Allow the paste to cool. Put on rubber gloves before massaging into clean wet hair. Be sure to comb the paste through the hair and apply it evenly. Pile up the hair and cover it with a plastic bag. Wrap a thick towel over the plastic to hold in the heat. Leave on at least 30 minutes. Remove towel and rinse hair until the water runs clear. Allow to dry in sunshine. Any stains on the face or hands can be removed with lemon juice. This mixture has a tendency to add red overtones to the hair, so you may want to pre-test it. Do not use if you have white, blond, or gray hair as it will turn those colors a brassy orange. It does add nice highlights to dark brunettes.



Hope that helps you out.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: mahayograj guggul

From: Glauco Smadelli <smadelli.g@pn.itnet.it>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:51:12 +0200

--------

kindly asking for the right latin name of mahayograj guggul (ayurvedic 

medicine,indian plant) and maharasnadi quath (same problem).

Please would you help me? Wonderful if you add the medical properties.

                                                   Glauco Smadelli





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Subject: Help with gout

From: Annetoo@webtv.net

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:03:23 -0500

--------

I wondering if someone could tell me if there is any natural herbs, etc.

to take for a person who has gout to reduce the level of uric acid.  



Thanks for you help and please, not sales people need respond, just

honest help.





==========

Subject: Re: Help with gout

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 30 Mar 1998 19:38:00 -0700

--------

Annetoo@webtv.net wrote:



>I wondering if someone could tell me if there is any natural herbs, etc.

>to take for a person who has gout to reduce the level of uric acid.  

  You are going to absolutely hate this remedy.  Cherries!  Lots

of cherries! Fresh are best, frozen next best, and canned ones

OK. 



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Help with gout

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:00:48 -0600

--------



Go on a fasting Detoxification program to rid the body of acid wastes quickly.

Follow with a diet of fresh foods for a month to balance uric acid formation.

Drink 4 glasses of cherry juice and 6 glasses of water daily to flush and neutralize acid. Eat plenty of dark fruits.

Eat high potassium foods: fresh cherries, bananas, strawberries, celery, broccoli, potatoes, and greens to put acid crystals in solution so they can be eliminated.

Avoid high purine foods, including red meats, rich gravies, broths and bouillon, sweetbreads, organ meats, mushrooms, asparagus, dry peas, cooked spinach and rhubarb, sardines, anchovies, and crab.

Eliminate alcohol during healing--it inhibits uric acid secretion from the kidneys.

Avoid high levels of fructose on any drinks or food. Reduce caffeine, fried foods, and all saturated fats.

Do you have hypothyroidism also? This condition is usually involved in gout. If so, you can use sea vegetables to normalize thyroid activity.

Hope this helps you out.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Help with gout

From: ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:15:36 GMT

--------

Hello Anne,



I have seen the others have been recomending eating Cheries and I can

not disagree with that.  However there are other things you can do as

well.



Making an Aromatherapy massage blend of;



Frankincense {Boswellia Carteri}      6 drops

Lavender {Lavendula Angustifolia}  4 drops



diluted to 10ml in a carrier oil like Peach Kernal



This can be massaged in to the lesgs once a day.



Also a blend of;



Juniper Berry {Juniperis Communis}

Cajuput 	{Melalecua Minor}

Niaouli	{Melaleuca Viridiflora}

Tea Tree  {Melaeuca Alternifolia}



mixed in equal parts, and add two drops to a foot bath used each day.

it is important to massage the feet while in the bath as this will aid

the release of toxins from the lymphatic system, as well as boosting

the imune system.



I hope this helps

 





On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:03:23 -0500, Annetoo@webtv.net wrote:



>I wondering if someone could tell me if there is any natural herbs, etc.

>to take for a person who has gout to reduce the level of uric acid.  

>

>Thanks for you help and please, not sales people need respond, just

>honest help.



Ian Hunter

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html





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Subject: herbs for astrological use

From: "herbs" <herbs@intekom.co.za>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:44:04 +0200

--------

i need references of herbs and their relationship to astrological sign

please contact

mossie









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Subject: Fibromyalgia/Chronic Fatigue

From: cg@onecommerce.com

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:35:10 GMT

--------

I've got Fibromyalgia and a bit of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and was 

wondering if someone could suggest an herbal remedy that might help me out. 

 I've heard a lot on the news lately about St. John's Wort for the CFS.  

Will that help?  What about for the muscle pains from the fibromyalgia?



Thanks in advance.



Crystal



cg@onecommerce.com



-<< Posted with Actif News --- http://www.actifnews.com >>-





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Subject: Question about St. Johns Wort

From: palmtree99@mindspring.com

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:26:30 GMT

--------

I was wondering if anyone knew if it would be safe to take St. John's

Wort and Schisandra together.  Thanks in advance. 



                    brian





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Subject: ashwagandha

From: "Gordon" <gthom69@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:26:49 -1000

--------

Does anyone have any experience or info about the indian herb ashwagandha??

I've searched on www and found ads saying it's similar to ginseng with

adaptagenic properties.  I've also read it's good for dream recall/lucidity.

Anybody have experience to confirm any of this??









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Subject: aloe vera for sore throats?

From: carjackall@aol.com (Carjackall)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 02:25:28 GMT

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Does aloe vera help sore throats?  If so, how do I take it?   pat





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Subject: Dominion Herbal College

From: siochain23@aol.com (SIOCHAIN23)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 03:44:53 GMT

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Is anyone familiar with Dominion Herbal college? It is located in Brittish

Columbia and is affiliated with the School of Phytotherapy in England. If

anyone has taken any courses from this school, please let me know what you

thought of their program, and what you think of the quality of education this

institution offers.



Thanks,

Siochain





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Subject: REQ:  Help with ULCERS???

From: DELETE_ALL_SPAMrheffley@ix.netcom.com (rogerDH)

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 04:59:57 GMT

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Any holistic help for ulcers?

Any URLs for ulcers?



Help,  this is forcing me to stop my Starbucks addiction!





tia.





roger





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Subject: Vitamins and Insects

From: atshum@unix.amherst.edu ()

Date: 31 Mar 98 05:02:24 GMT

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Hello all.  I read a while ago somewhere that taking a certain vitamin 

will make one's skin secrete some stuff that will repel insects.  I am 

not sure, but i think it is vitamin b something?  i really cant remember 

and any help would be wonderful.  also, does anyone else know of any good 

and easy ways to repel insects? thanx in advance.



 







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Subject: Re: Vitamins and Insects

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 05:31:00 -0700

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atshum@unix.amherst.edu () wrote:



>Hello all.  I read a while ago somewhere that taking a certain vitamin 

>will make one's skin secrete some stuff that will repel insects.  I am 

>not sure, but i think it is vitamin b something? 

  Brewer's yeast tablets, for SOME BUT NOT ALL persons, will make

them less tasty to mosquitos and fleas.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Vitamins and Insects

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 31 Mar 98 15:41:32 GMT

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atshum@unix.amherst.edu <atshum@unix.amherst.edu> wrote:

>Hello all.  I read a while ago somewhere that taking a certain vitamin 

>will make one's skin secrete some stuff that will repel insects.  I am 

>not sure, but i think it is vitamin b something?  i really cant remember 

>and any help would be wonderful.  also, does anyone else know of any good 

>and easy ways to repel insects? thanx in advance.



Vitamin B1 (thiamine) will repell mosquitoes.  I'm allergic to

most skin preparations, but I always use this in the woods.

You have to take it every few hours, because it is not stored

in the body.



Only for occasional use -- too often will throw off your balance

of other B vitamins, so it's not a good idea for daily use

in a buggy backyard.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: ATLANTEAN FORMULA REVEALED

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 05:32:02 -0700

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bmosley288@aol.com (BMosley288) wrote:



>Material channeled by the Group Mind Andomus identifies an amazing, age old,

>Atlantean formula.  This formula increases the light quotient within the body

>to aid in rejuvinating the cells and accelerates the ascension process. E-mail

>for information:  BMosley288@aol.com  



Obviously the formula relies heavily on BS and smallish brains.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re:drying herbs

From: sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 13:34:20 GMT

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I have made an herb drying rack for about 100$ worth of materials that can be

found at any builders/home improvement store.  While this is not quite cheap,

if you have a large herb garden, it is a blessing and a steal in comparison to

what you would pay for a 14 rack drying apparatus if you were to buy it retail.

 I have no carpentry experience whatsovever, just a lot of determination and a

tight budget.

If you would like more information (it is freely given, I am just too lazy to

type it out this morning) let me know and I will post it here or reply on

email.

SilDra





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Subject: Herbs for Teen with ADD with depression

From: mwelch@oasistech.com

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 17:03:36 GMT

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My daughter is currently on Ritalin for ADHD and is 13 years old.  I

am desperate to find a natural herb to put her on instead of the

Ritalin.  She has become very depressed and I need some relief.

Please someone tell me what I can use?



Thanks,

Michele





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Subject: immune difficiency and herbs

From: leto2nbr@aol.com (Leto2nbr)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 17:22:29 GMT

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I have a friend suffering from an immuno-difficiency disorder that doctors seem

unable to diagnose.  She is currently trapped in her apartment, out of fear of

catching cold.  If anybody knows of any herbs that might help, please let me

know.  (Please e-mail me, as I am not online often.)



Are there any studies on echinacea and white blood-cell count?  A friend told

me she heard a german study that claimed taking echinacea intermittently was

more effective -- but any information would be appreciated.



Thanks in advance

Neal

leto2nbr.aol.com







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Subject: herbs and boweldisorders

From: "Koen Dewinter" <Koen.Dewinter@village.uunet.be>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 19:48:55 +0200

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Hi,



I'm looking for information about treating boweldisorders with herbal

medicines?

Any good sites?



Koen.











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Subject: Dry Skin

From: Jason Horton <jhorton@execulink.com>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:51:58 -0500

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Is there anything that can help get rid of dry skin?



J





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Subject: Pharmacists' herbal reference available

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 18:45:23 GMT

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Greetings, all,



Knight Ridder News Service had an item in my local paper Tuesday which 

should be of interest to all seeking scientific information about herbs. 

To wit:



The American Botanical Council (ABC), based in Austin, Texas, 

has published a 68-page introductory course on medicinal herbs. 

"Popular Herbs in the U.S. Market:Therapeutic Monographs" covers 26 

common herbs, describing their therapeutic benefits, safety, potential 

side effects, appropriate dosage, international regulatory status and 

active elements. It also tells which form of the herb is particularly 

beneficial and how much of a component is necessary for a particular 

product to do its particular good. 



Information is drawn from the German government's "Commission E 

Monographs" and from the "British Herbal Compendium," a publication of 

the British Herbal Medicine Association and the European Union's 

"European Scientific Cooperative on Phytotherapy (ESCOP) Monographs."



It sounds complex, but this new reference works supposedly greatly 

simplifies the scientific material available, The ABC is offering this 

work to the general public $15. Unfortunately, I don't have an address 

for the ABC in Austin, Texas. Can anyone help by posting this address to 

the NG?



Also, the University of Texas at Austin College of Pharmacy is offering 

two hours of continuing education credit to pharmacists who pass a test 

on the material.



By the way, folks, always remember YMMV (Your Mileage May Vary). That 

is, herbs, like other supplements and conventional medications, can vary 

in effect according to many factors, including your general state of 

health, age, emotional well-being, other medications and supplements you 

may be taking, what food you consume around the same time, what form of 

herb you take, etc. Your best assets in using herbs are education, 

caution and common sense (and when facing serious problems, a really 

good physician who is open and knowledgeable about alternative and 

complementary medicine). 



Good luck,

C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





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Subject: Help with Rash

From: acidfire@oaktree.net

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 13:55:15 -0500

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Hi

   I am wondering is their any herb(s) that can help heal a rash?

Thanks in advance

Gary





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Subject: How to make lotions?

From: sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 19:16:40 GMT

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I would like to make my own lotions (with a shelf life of around 3 months min)

on my own... does anyone have a good reference or experience with this that may

help me?  I am coming at this from a complete neophyte stance for making any

kind of lotion, so any advice/references that you have had expereince with will

be much appreciated.



Thank you

SilDra







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Subject: Re: How to make lotions?

From: "Elli Stephens" <judibehr@infinet.com>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:34:00 -0500

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I would love some information on this too.  My mom makes soap, and bath oil,

and we make bath bags, but I have never come across a lotion recipe.  I use

lotion a lot, and think it could be quite fun to make some.  Sorry for the

constant babble.

Elli

Sildra93 wrote in message

<1998033119164000.OAA08661@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>I would like to make my own lotions (with a shelf life of around 3 months

min)

>on my own... does anyone have a good reference or experience with this that

may

>help me?  I am coming at this from a complete neophyte stance for making

any

>kind of lotion, so any advice/references that you have had expereince with

will

>be much appreciated.

>

>Thank you

>SilDra

>









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Subject: Re: Where can I find.....

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:18:46 -0600

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Starc46021 wrote:

> 

> Hi guys,

> 

> I just learned thru the internet that 0.5 percent malathion lotion 

> is being sold.  Where would someone get that????????

> sTaRcHiLd



Why would someone *want* to get that?



-Kyra





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Subject: Directions for drying rack

From: sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date: 31 Mar 1998 21:07:18 GMT

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K, here is the gist of it (this is a challenge without pictures.. prhaps I

should take one and scan it in)

 ~bear with me on this it was a few years ago~



1) design your desired height and dimensions (mine is 2x3x4) which is a top

that is 2x3 feet (nice size working surface) and 4 feet high I believe it has

14-16 racks on it.



now, to make life easy here comes the fun part, and this is the key to saving

yourself infinte amounts of frustration making a billion notches for the racks

to slide into: there is a greek key type of trim that more or less looks like

this:



_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_|  |_| 



(you have to imagine that there are lines aross the tops.. cant figure out the

keys on this AOL mail...lol) but you get the idea... it is a crenillated bit of

trim.  

The trim I chose has the crenillations with dimensions of 1inch between

notches, 1inch deep at the point it just out, and 1 inch across the top of the

crenillation, and prbaby 3/4 inch thick.  This allows plenty of air to

circulate.  Buy enough of this for the four legs of the rack, a piece of large

flat plywood for the top (I used pine throughout, you can make it cheaper by

using plywood) Have them cut the plywood top to your dimensions on site and you

will only need a small hacksaw for the rest of the project.



to stabilize the piece, you will need 16 L shaped brackets slightly narrower

than the trim and the screws to affix them 

You will also need (I think I used 3x2's...or is that 2x3's) - look around,

just some stable wood slats to surround the trim "legs" at the base for

stability and to ensure that the legs dont splay apart at the bottom.



you now have all the materials you need for the table that will hold the racks.

 to put it all together, I suggest first ensuring that all of the legs are of

the exact same lenth and that the notches will all align exactly (this is

rather important~ if they dont your racks won't align exactly and be tilted!

After this, make sure that the 'legs' are all aligned properly if you look at

it from the front you want to see something like this:



_|               |_      

_     *          _     <see this area where the star is is where the racks will

slide in

 |                |



<I know it is hard to see... think about it with the pieces in front of you and

it will be a little more clear

make sure that the back legs are facing in the same direction you need 4 points

of contact for the rack.. two front and two back, and all should be aligned.



Flip the top surface upside down on your work surface.  Affix the legs using

two brackets for each lef (facing to the inside so it is more stable and more

attractive) I think I probably hammered in a couple of nails for good measure. 





Stand the rack on its newly formed legs and construct the stabilization base. 

To do this, (I assume you have already cut the 2x3's to size) mark the inside

point of where the brackets need to go and drill the holes for the brackets to

affix each slat to the bottom of the legs.  It is advisable to check the top of

the rack with a level before you affix the stabilizing slats

  To be honest if it is not level at this point I dont know what to say ~ I did

not have any problems because I was very careful in measuring out the trim to

make the legs exactly even to one another.



The slats run around the outside of the legs. (I really will try to take

pictures and scan them in sometime this week).  Affix the bottom slats to the

trim with two L shaped brackets for each leg.



Sand and finish if desired (prb a clear polyeurethane is what I used).



Let me know what is clear and not clear about these instructions <shudders at

the onslaught of people telling her what is unclear>



Instructions on how to make the screens will follow shortly (they are much

easier than the table part)

SilDra





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Subject: is pyrethrin safe for herbs I'm going to eat?

From: cgriffin@mathworks.com

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:41:55 -0600

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Hi,



I have some medicinal herbs I'm growing in my office.  A bunch

of fruit flies decided to move in, so I have started spraying

them with some insecticidal soap containing Pyrethrin.  It

claims to be safe up to the day of harvest, but I'm not totally

convinced that it's safe to eat herbs sprayed with this stuff.



Can anyone comment on this?



Please CC: me in your reply,



Thanks!

Chris



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