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Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 31 Mar 1998 23:45:48 GMT

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I was told by a friend who had the same problems with her kids, that regular

use of a hot hair dryer killed them off.   This may explain why the sister

with the long hair did not get them.   Kids with short hair, who do not

bother to use a hot hair dryer long enough to fry the nasty little things,

may be more subject to them.   At any rate, it is a non-toxic and easy to

try solution....  Hope it works for you!



Evelyn









Geraldine wrote in message <3520f208.20975410@news.clara.net>...

>On 30 Mar 1998 16:31:51 GMT, starc46021@aol.com (Starc46021) wrote:

>

>>I have posted here before, asking for advice on a lice problem my kids

were

>>having.  I since then have bought a new computer and lost all the info. I

had

>>before.  If someone could let me know what herbs, oils or anything that

they

>>have tried that has worked.  I live in Fl. and there is an epidemic going

>>around.  The over the counter stuff hasn't worked in years.  This is a

long

>>battle for my daughter, she has had it 22 times since she started school.

I'm

>>at my wits end please help:-)

>>

>I recently consulted a herbalist about this for my sister's children.

>

>She suggested applying tea tree oil to the hair before bedtime

>(expensive if the child has long hair) and keeping it on all night,

>using an old pillow for the child to sleep on.

>

>In the morning, wash the hair with tea tree shampoo and in the final

>rinse add about 5 drops of tea tree oil.

>

>Thereafter, to prevent reinfestation, wash regularly with tea tree

>shampoo.

>

>Now, I do not yet know whether this works, and I suppose that you will

>have to be sure that the child does not have eczema or a skin allergy

>to the oil.

>

>Here in the UK the superlice is also getting to be a problem and

>parents are also getting worried about the increasingly drastic

>substances which the Education Authorities recommend using to get rid

>of them.  After all, we all remember DDT, Agent Orange and sheep dip

>with organophosphates, don't we?

>

>I do sympathise with your problem because although no-one else in our

>family has had it except my nephew, here we are told to treat the

>whole family, so it creates an enormous fuss.

>

>Isn't it strange how one child will never get them and another child,

>equally clean and close friends or even family to the lice-free child

>will get them over and over again?

>

>My nephew has had them often but his long-haired sister has never had

>them.

>

>I hope that this helps.

>

>Geraldine

>--

>sometimes i sits & thinks and sometimes i just sits

>

>remove Clara's stocking to e-mail me









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Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:01:13 -0600

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Starc46021 wrote:

> 

> I have posted here before, asking for advice on a lice problem my 

> kids were having.  I since then have bought a new computer and lost 

> all the info. I had before.  If someone could let me know what herbs, 

> oils or anything that they have tried that has worked.  I live in Fl. 

> and there is an epidemic going around.  The over the counter stuff 

> hasn't worked in years.  This is a long battle for my daughter, she 

> has had it 22 times since she started school.  I'm at my wits end 

> please help:-)



The information which others have so far posted here is all very 

good and useful.  



Pesticide resistance in lice was first suspected over a decade ago.  

The products on the drugstore shelves are supposed to be 'less 

toxic,' but you can poison yourself and your child very efficiently 

with them.  No pesticide will have a 'kill rate' of more than 85%, 

and the pyrethrins and pyrethroids are EXTREMELY DANGEROUS if you 

happen to be allergic to ragweed.  



My data is from the book _Common Sense Pest Control_, which is 

published by the Bio-Integral Research Center [BIRC].  The sum and 

entirety of the situation is:



*NOTHING* IS GOING TO KILL EVERY LOUSE ON A BIPED'S HEAD.



A LICE INFESTATION IS "CURED" BY RIGOROUS APPLICATION OF COMBING.



Sorry for shouting.  Friends up in the northeast finally resolved an

infestation after having CPS get involved because of the school nurse

who could not believe that insects could become resistant to the

wonder chemicals available at the pharmacy....   And yes, they were

documented to have the pesticide resistant strain of lice.



The smothering methods work, and you still have to comb.  Various

mixtures of herbal oils will *at the least* immobilize the lice 

while you do the combing ritual.  The vinegar treatment may or may 

not loosen the glue which holds the eggs to the hair shafts, I have

no personal experience with it.  There is a product called CLEAR 

[careful, there is also a chemical shampoo under the same label] 

which is an enzyme which dissolves the nit glue.  That ONE product, 

I consider a miracle drug, and there is nothing in it to which the 

lice can become resistant.



Here's the drill:



Shampoo.  Apply herbal/oil/shampoo treatment.  Let sit and keep damp.  

Comb *while the treatment is in the hair*.  Comb a patch [1/2"] of 

hair at a time and pin it out of the way.  Don't miss anything.  Dig 

that comb right up against the scalp; viable eggs will be 1/2" or 

less from the scalp.  Rinse the comb between patches.  Get one of the 

metal combs, not the plastic.  Shampoo again.  Apply egg-loosening 

treatment.  Let sit and keep it damp.  Repeat the entire tedious 

combing ritual.  Put everything in the laundry once - and don't 

forget about things like chairs and car seats and the crack between 

the bed frame and mattress.  Do it all over again in 2 to 6 days.  

Inspect vigorously at least weekly thereafter.  Remember to have 

something to keep the kids' hands busy....



Been there, done that.  Watched two different elementary schools

and a preschool go through prolonged infestations because of parents

who believed that simply shampooing with a miracle drug would CURE

their problem with no further effort on their part.  Presented my

two at school after one day out for combing ritual, secure in the

knowledge that there were NO lice on them.  Kept using my herbal

shampoo mix just for its repellent effect....  [And I managed to 

get the school nurse's nit-detecting blacklight working.]



The product[s] I use, I get at the health food store in the pet aisle.  

There is Natural Animal brand dog/cat shampoo concentrate, which has 

oils of citronella , cedarwood, orange, eucalyptus, bay.  There is 

also Cloud Nine brand herbal animal dip, which has oils of tea tree, 

rosemary, sage, cedarwod, peppermint, eucalyptus, sweet orange, 

citronella and pine needle.  Yes, they are not labeled for use on 

humans.  I'm an animal, last I looked.  Mixing directions on the 

packages; I usually add a drop or three of pennyroyal oil to the mix.  



Spouse is a pest control operator, specializing in Reduced Impact

Services [an actual certification level in Texas].  Head lice cases, 

he turns over to me for the botanical solutions.  



-Kyra [with psychosomatic itching every time I talk about the subject]





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Subject: Re: Super Lice going around

From: "moondaughter" <moondaughter@geocities.com>

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 02:35:44 GMT

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kyra,

wonderful advice!!! can't emphasize enough about the combing...

might i add, while we're on the subject, that in cases of fine haired kids

like mine, sometimes the only (GROAN) way to get all the nits is to grasp

them between thumb and finger and slide them off the hair shaft... the combs

slid right thru my kids hair ineffectively...the chore of picking them out

is tedious to say the best, but the only way to prevent them from

recurring... i remember spending hours and hours on one child's head,

wanting to cry with frustration... and still having to contend with a

mountain of laundry while i worked twelve hour days... but you can do it,

you just have to be very thorough!!!



moondaughter









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Subject: Re: Evening Primrose Anyone??

From: hhealth@global.co.za.X

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:45:57 GMT

--------





<snip>



The following are extracts from the HYPERHEALTH Natural Health

Encyclopedia.



--



Evening Primrose Oil

====================

Also known as:	EPO



Description

-----------

Oil from the seeds of the Evening Primrose (Oenothera biennis) plant

from the Evening Primrose (Onagraceae) family.



Health Benefits of Evening Primrose Oil

---------------------------------------

All of the beneficial actions of Evening Primrose Oil are believed to

be attributable to its Gamma-Linolenic Acid content.



Musculoskeletal System

----------------------

Evening Primrose Oil alleviates Acne (due to Gamma-Linolenic Acid).

Evening Primrose Oil alleviates Rheumatoid Arthritis.



Nervous System

--------------

Evening Primrose Oil alleviates the symptoms of Multiple Sclerosis

(due to Gamma-Linolenic Acid) [scientific research - humans:  4 grams

of EPO per day improves capillary perfusion in the muscles of MS

sufferers after 3 weeks and also improves hand grip strength].



Respiratory System

------------------

Evening Primrose Oil alleviates Asthma [scientific research - humans -

4-6 grams per day].



Sexual System - Female

----------------------

Evening Primrose Oil alleviates Mastalgia (painful Breasts)

[speculative scientific research].

Evening Primrose Oil alleviates Pre-Menstrual Tension (PMT) [some

scientific research refutes this claim].



Evening Primrose Oil Contains these Substances

----------------------------------------------

(mg of Substance per 100 grams)



Fatty Acids comprise 14% of the Evening Primrose Seed.



Fatty Acids:	Saturated:		Palmitic Acid		6,000

					Stearic Acid		2,000

		Polyunsaturated:	Linoleic Acid		72,000

					Gamma-Linolenic Acid	9,000

		Monounsaturated:	Oleic Acid		11,000



Commercial Availability of EPO Supplements

------------------------------------------

Supplemental Evening Primrose Oil is widely available from health food

and nutrition outlets in the form of capsules ranging in potency

between 500 mg and 1,300 mg per cap.  It is promoted as a source of

Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA).

Evening Primrose Oil is also a constituent of some topically applied

Skin care products.

The rationale for the use of GLA as a supplement is that many people

cannot convert GLA's precursor Linoleic Acid (LA) - this inability to

convert may have been overstated.



It should be noted that Borage Seed Oil (also known as Starflower Oil)

contains twice the Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA) content of Evening

Primrose Oil.



See Also:

---------

Borage Seed Oil, Gamma-Linolenic Acid, Plant Oils



Copyright 1996 In-Tele-Health







Gamma-Linolenic Acid

====================

Also known as:	GLA



Description

-----------

Non-Essential (Omega-6) Polyunsaturated Fatty Acid (18:3w6) which is

normally manufactured within the body but which can also be obtained

via the diet.



(View Gamma-Linolenic Acid's Metabolic Pathway)



Health Benefits of Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA)

---------------------------------------------

Cardiovascular System

---------------------

GLA can significantly lower Blood Pressure in persons afflicted with

Hypertension [scientific research - humans].



Musculoskeletal System

----------------------

GLA alleviates Acne (when consumed internally) [scientific research].

GLA (applied topically) alleviates Dry Skin (due to its ability to

moisturize Skin) [scientific research].

GLA alleviates atopic Eczema (due to its moisturizing effects.

GLA significantly improves the condition of persons afflicted with

Rheumatoid Arthritis @ 500 mg per day for 12 months (by increasing the

body's production of anti-inflammatory Series 1 Prostaglandins)

[scientific research - humans:  500 mg per day for 12 months].

GLA improves the health of the Skin.



Nervous System

--------------

GLA can be beneficial for those persons afflicted with Multiple

Sclerosis who are unable to convert Linoleic Acid (LA) to GLA.



Recreational Drugs

------------------

GLA protects the Liver from Alcohol-induced damage.



Sexual System - Female

----------------------

GLA alleviates Mastalgia (painful breasts) [speculative scientific

research].

GLA alleviates Pre-Menstrual Tension (PMT) [scientific research].



Sexual System - Male

--------------------

GLA alleviates Male Infertility [anecdotal @ 500-1,000 mg per day].



Contraindications

-----------------

Nervous System

--------------

Persons afflicted with Epilepsy should not use supplemental GLA.



Myths Dispelled

---------------

Lactation:

Gamma-Linoleic Acid is NOT present in human Mother's Milk as often

claimed in advertisements.



Dietary Sources of GLA

----------------------

Dietary Sources of GLA become particularly important for people who

are unable to manufacture the Delta-6-Desaturase Enzyme which allows

the conversion of Linoleic Acid to Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA).



(% of Gamma-Linolenic Acid (GLA)  per 100 grams)



Dietary Oils:		Black Currant Seed Oil:	18

			Borage Seed Oil:	24

			Evening Primrose Oil:	10

			Hemp Seed Oil:		2

			Red Currant Seed Oil:	12

Seeds:			Gooseberry Seeds

			Poplar Seeds	



Commercial Availability of GLA Supplements

------------------------------------------

Supplemental Blackcurrant Seed Oil Borage Oil (Starflower Oil) and

Evening Primrose Oil capsules are regarded as (and often labelled as)

supplemental sources of GLA - they contain between 60 mg and 500 mg of

GLA per capsule.



See Also:



Polyunsaturated Fatty Acids



Copyright 1996 In-Tele-Health



--

Hope it's of some use.





Helen, Cape Town

hhealth@global.co.za

Spam Stopper: To reply, remove the ".X" part of my Reply To address





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Subject: Re: Where can I find.....

From: "moondaughter" <moondaughter@geocities.com>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:56:30 GMT

--------

PLEASE,please do not use this on your children's hair, no matter what you've

heard... given all the natural recipes that have been posted, please try

them....



i speak from experience in saying DON'T put chemicals on your children... my

8 year old daughter just had to have seven cancerous skin growths removed...

we feel adamantly that they were caused by unhealthy and unnatural things we

put on her skin before we knew better...think twice before using harmful

substances on your kids or anyone else for that matter...



moondaughter









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Subject: Re: How to make lotions?

From: "moondaughter" <moondaughter@geocities.com>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 23:56:31 GMT

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try this, it works for me!!



3 oz. rosewater ( or distilled water)

4 oz. sweet almond oil

2 Tbsp. beeswax

1/2 tsp. borax



heat the oil and beeswax over gentle heat until the beeswax melts. warm the

water and borax until the borax dissolves, then add the water mixture to the

oil mixture in a thin stream (slowly) whisking constantly. remove from heat

and continue whisking until cool. add essential oils as desired...



have fun,

moondaughter









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Subject: Re: How to make lotions?

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 1 Apr 1998 11:13:41 GMT

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I found a great recipe(s) in Herbal Healing for Women by Rosemary

Gladstar.Great book to start out with and inexpensive at only $12.The one

lotion recipe is kinda of like Nivea.

    Have fun! Marianne





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Subject: Re: How to make lotions?

From: "776161926@worldnet.att.net" <dbriar@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 2 Apr 1998 14:22:16 GMT

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on making  lotions



Home Herbal by Penelope Ody has lotions and creams

fairly uncomplicated. hope this helps.

-- 

dbriar@worldnet.att.net



Sildra93 <sildra93@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998033119164000.OAA08661@ladder03.news.aol.com>...







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Subject: Re: How to make lotions?

From: susieq5207@aol.com (SusieQ5207)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 00:40:07 GMT

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Hi there,

Kelly Reno has two books out on this subject....one is called "Oils, Lotions, &

Other Luxuries"...Barnes and Noble has carried this book. Her other book is

called "Soaps, Shampoos, & Other Suds". They can be ordered from Prima

Publishing....in California....1-916-632-4400..

Susie





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Subject: Re: Pharmacists' herbal reference available

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 1 Apr 1998 00:37:03 GMT

--------

In article <6frdmc$3u6$1@newman.pcisys.net>, clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

writes:



>Unfortunately, I don't have an address 

>for the ABC in Austin, Texas. Can anyone help by posting this address to 

>the NG?



American Botanical Council

PO Box 201660

Austin, TX 78720

(512) 331-8868



Love the easy ones...



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

Prima Publishing April 1998 (I got my copy Friday!) ISBN 0761512446

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: Re: Pharmacists' herbal reference available

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukrotweiler>

Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 07:46:04 +0100

--------

In article <1998040100370301.TAA28312@ladder03.news.aol.com>, HealingPgs

<healingpgs@aol.com> writes

>In article <6frdmc$3u6$1@newman.pcisys.net>, clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

>writes:

>

>>Unfortunately, I don't have an address 

>>for the ABC in Austin, Texas. Can anyone help by posting this address to 

>>the NG?

>

>American Botanical Council

>PO Box 201660

>Austin, TX 78720

>(512) 331-8868



also on the web I think at

http://www.herbalgram.org/abc_directory.html

-- 

Graham Sorenson South Wales, UK.

The Guide to Aromatherapy AND nearly 600 links to other Aromatherapy web sites,

Plus LOTS more.

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/





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Subject: Poison Ivy

From: "Bittenbender" <kbitten@eurekanet.com>

Date: 1 Apr 1998 01:15:37 GMT

--------

I am sure this has been asked hundreds of times, but my daughter has a very

nasty case of poison ivy (and it's only march!).  Any suggestions to

relieve the itch. 

Thanks

kim





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Subject: Re: Poison Ivy

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:35:26 -0600

--------

Here is an assortment of different things you can try......



Apply pure aloe vera gel as directed on label for help in relieving itching and burning.



A strong tea made of equal parts lime water and white oak bark is very good for poison ivy, oak or sumac. White Oak bark closes the pores. Apply a compress wet with this solution. Replace the compress with a fresh one as it becomes dry.



The following herbs can be used topically as remedies for poison ivy, oak, or sumac:

black walnut extract (has anti-septic properties and helps to fight infection), bloodroot (reduces swelling--do not use during pregnancy), echinacea (promotes healing of skin wounds and can also be taken internally to boost the immune system), goldenseal (good for skin inflammation--use with caution if you are allergic to ragweed), and myrrh (powerful antiseptic).



Apply a paste made from water, cornstarch, baking soda, oatmeal, or Epsom salts. Use 1 teaspoon of water to 3 teaspoons of the dry ingredient.



Apply aloe vera juice, tofu, or watermelon rind tot he area for cooling relief. Using 1 pint of buttermilk with 1 tablespoon of sea salt added may be helpful.



Apply compresses soaked in diluted Burow's solution (use 1 pint to 15 pints of cool water).



Stay cool. Sweating and and heat can make itching worse.



For a severe case, please consult a physician. Symptoms that need medical attention include an extensive rash that covers more than half of the body; extreme swelling and redness; and fever. Also consult a physician if it occurs near the eyes, mouth or genitals.



Hope she feels better soon!!



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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To: Bittenbender <kbitten@eurekanet.com>

Subject: Re: Poison Ivy

From: Kirk T Norby <kirkt@selway.umt.edu>

Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 12:19:52 -0700

--------

On 1 Apr 1998, Bittenbender wrote:



> I am sure this has been asked hundreds of times, but my daughter has a very

> nasty case of poison ivy (and it's only march!).  Any suggestions to

> relieve the itch. 

> Thanks

> kim

> 

> 

Years ago, I came in contact with some poison ivy.  I found a product at

the drug store called Ivy Dry.  I don't know if it is still available,

but it helped me.  The ingredients were primarily alcohol and white oak

bark.  My recollection is that it helped to dry up the blisters and in

doing so helped with the itch.



I hope this helps.  Reactions to poison ivy can be miserable.



Kirk







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Subject: Re: Poison Ivy

From: Cynthia J Jackson <cjj@acsu.buffalo.edu>

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 17:46:08 -0500

--------





On Wed, 1 Apr 1998, Kirk T Norby wrote:

 

> Years ago, I came in contact with some poison ivy.  I found a product at

> the drug store called Ivy Dry.  I don't know if it is still available,

> but it helped me.  The ingredients were primarily alcohol and white oak

> bark.  My recollection is that it helped to dry up the blisters and in

> doing so helped with the itch.

> 

> I hope this helps.  Reactions to poison ivy can be miserable.

> 

> Kirk



Hi!

Yes, Ivy Dry is still made.  It's a mixture of isopropyl alcohol and

tannic acid mostly.  I've used it with good results.  It not only dries

up your poison ivy blisters, it dries out your skin as well.  So it can

be rather harsh on your skin (not that having poison ivy isn't). 

	Apparently, an infusion of uva-ursi leaves has also been known

to stop the spread of poison ivy.  Uva ursi leaves and berries have high

tannin contents, which probably accounts for its effectiveness.  Other

herbs with high tannin content should also work.

	Also, a folk cure from Maryland to stop the itching of poison ivy

is to apply freshly crushed plantain leaves (Plantago major) to the

affected area.  This is also supposed to be good for insect bites and

stings.

	Jewelweed is a traditional cure for poison ivy, but I'm not sure

how it should be prepared.  Perhaps someone else on this newsgroup would

know.

	Hope this helps.  Good Luck!

				



Cindy 









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Subject: Re: Poison Ivy

From: "family publishing" <fampub@ctel.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 05:36:24 GMT

--------

I don't know if it will work on something like poison ivy, but whenever I

get minor skin irritations or insect bites, I swab it with a slice of

cucumber...



Kirk T Norby wrote in message ...

>On 1 Apr 1998, Bittenbender wrote:

>

>> I am sure this has been asked hundreds of times, but my daughter has a

very

>> nasty case of poison ivy ...









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Subject: Re: Poison Ivy

From: mk95528@cyberramp.net (Margie's Plant Clip Art)

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:41:13 GMT

--------

On 1 Apr 1998 01:15:37 GMT, "Bittenbender" <kbitten@eurekanet.com>

wrote:



>I am sure this has been asked hundreds of times, but my daughter has a very

>nasty case of poison ivy (and it's only march!).  Any suggestions to

>relieve the itch. 

>Thanks

>kim



Just read in a Nutrition Headquarters Vitamin Cat. thru the snail

mail, using lye soap for the body will do the trick. Never had poison

ivy so I never tried it. The soap they offer is for the body and very

inexpensive. Anyone wanting the info to try the lye soap, let me know.





Margie

Rare books and Plant Clip Art





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Subject: Re: Poison Ivy

From: "Iva Luke" <hoprow@abts.net>

Date: 6 Apr 1998 15:06:31 GMT

--------

Bleach.



Bittenbender <kbitten@eurekanet.com> wrote in article

<01bd5d0b$10fbc200$9b21b7cd@default>...

> I am sure this has been asked hundreds of times, but my daughter has a

very

> nasty case of poison ivy (and it's only march!).  Any suggestions to

> relieve the itch. 

> Thanks

> kim

> 





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Subject: Re: Poison Ivy

From: dmcd@ntr.net

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:26:40 -0600

--------

  One of the best remedies for Poison Ivy is Jewelweed or spotted touch me not

(same thing) Not sold anywhere, just go out into the woods (damp places) and

look for it.. Mush it up and apply the juices.. It also works to prevent

exposed areas from breaking into the rash if applied within 6 hours of

exposure. I always brew up a large pot of the juice and put it in a sprayer

for after my trips into the woods..



Ps I think the Latin is Impatiens Palada, at least sth like that...



Dan McDonley

dmcd@ntr.net



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To: Annetoo@webtv.net

Subject: Re: Help with gout

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:36:01 -0500

--------

I looked up gout in David Hoffman's the New Holistic Herbal and found 

the following information:



"The use of diuretics as well as anti-rheumatic herbs will help. Herbs 

such as Celery, Boneset, Wild Carrot and Yarrow are especially useful 

out of all the diuretic available. The following mixture may prove 

useful: one part Burdock Root, one part Celery seed, one part Yarrow. 

Make a tea using one teaspoon of the herb mixture steeped in one cup 

boiling water for 10 minutes. Drink this infusion three times daily 

over a period of time. 

Diet is paramount in treating and preventing reoccurance of gout. A 

low acid diet provides the basis with a strict avoidance of foods rich 

in purines that are metabolised in the body to uric acid. These foods 

include fish (sardines, anchovies, fish roe, shell fish and crab), 

liver kidney, sweetbreads and beans. Coffee and tea should be avoided 

and any over-indulgen ce in ge neral is out. Alcohol has to be totally 

avoided."



Hope this helps.





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Subject: Re: Help with gout

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:44:24 -0500

--------

Go on a fasting Detoxification program to rid the body of acid wastes quickly.

Follow with a diet of fresh foods for a month to balance uric acid formation.

Drink 4 glasses of cherry juice and 6 glasses of water daily to flush and neutralize acid. Eat plenty of dark fruits.

Eat high potassium foods: fresh cherries, bananas, strawberries, celery, broccoli, potatoes, and greens to put acid crystals in solution so they can be eliminated.

Avoid high purine foods, including red meats, rich gravies, broths and bouillon, sweetbreads, organ meats, mushrooms, asparagus, dry peas, cooked spinach and rhubarb, sardines, anchovies, and crab.

Eliminate alcohol during healing--it inhibits uric acid secretion from the kidneys.

Avoid high levels of fructose on any drinks or food. Reduce caffeine, fried foods, and all saturated fats.



Do you have hypothyroidism also? This condition is usually involved in gout. If so, you can use sea vegetables to normalize thyroid activity.

Hope this helps you out.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Any herbs for Fibromyalgia?

From: barbara@airmail.net (Barbara Mathews Blanton)

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 01:39:25 GMT

--------

No specific herbs that I know of.  However, melatonin and benadryl

useful for the sleep disorder, St, John's Wart for the depression,

magnesium is helpful to some for the aches and pains.  Suggest you do

a net search.  there is a bunch of stuff out there now.  Barbara



On 30 Mar 1998 05:12:17 GMT, suncj@aol.com (Suncj) wrote:



>My niece was recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Anyone have any information

>on this to help her. She said it causes bad headaches, skin tingles and itches

>and has trouble sleeping and it cannot be cured.  Thanks for any help.







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Subject: Re: Any herbs for Fibromyalgia?

From: cmj@unforgettable.com

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 05:27:05 GMT

--------

On 30 Mar 1998 05:12:17 GMT, suncj@aol.com (Suncj) wrote:



>My niece was recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Anyone have any information

>on this to help her. She said it causes bad headaches, skin tingles and itches

>and has trouble sleeping and it cannot be cured.  Thanks for any help.





Search for the Fibromyalgia Network. I used Alta Vista engine and the

group sent me very good literature via smail.





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To: suncj@aol.com

Subject: Re: Any herbs for Fibromyalgia?

From: Jen <guerra@webspan.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:58:36 -0800

--------

> On 30 Mar 1998 05:12:17 GMT, suncj@aol.com (Suncj) wrote:

>

> >My niece was recently diagnosed with fibromyalgia. Anyone have any information

> >on this to help her. She said it causes bad headaches, skin tingles and itches

> >and has trouble sleeping and it cannot be cured.  Thanks for any help.



I'm sorry to hear that your niece has this disease. Many experts believe

Fibromyalgia and Chronic Fatigue Syndrome to be the same disease so you might want

to go to my site for more information on both. She is right when she says it cannot

be cured but there are treatments both traditional and alternative that can help

somewhat.



I've found a LOT of help from melatonin to help me sleep better. If she has a lot

of trouble getting to sleep, she might want to try some valerian root. I suggest

trying one at a time to see which is better. She might want to start with only 1 mg

of melotonin and move up to 3 if the lower dose isn't helping her. It should help

her stay asleep and sleep more deeply which tends to be a big problem. I've had no

side effects from melotonin except excessive drowsiness in the morning if I take

the full 3 mg (i usually cut it in half).



St John's Wort is excellent in helping the neuropsychological symptoms that can

occur. In CFS/FM, mood swings can occur out of nowhere which make life very

annoying and distressing. I take this with no side effects whatsoever.



There is a Fibromyalgia newsgroup you might want to read: alt.med.fibromyalgia. The

CFS newsgroup is alt.med.cfs-L.  The two illnesses overlap about 80% so both would

be very good sources of info for you.



Good luck,

--

Jen :)



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Subject: Re: Any herbs for Fibromyalgia?

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:43:08 -0500

--------

Some doctors say that fibromyalgia comes from using muscles too much, to the point where they are stressed or get injured. Others say it's the result of not using your muscles enough, another consequence of a sedentary lifestyle. Others say it begins with mono, chronic fatigue syndrome, then arthritis, and finally fibromyalgia (which means pain in the fibrous muscle tissue.) Either way, this condition leaves muscles hurting so bad that the pain interferes with moving around and even sleeping. 



A successful dietary program for this condition usually requires some level of cleansing therapy, fresh vegetarian food, few or no animal products, and immune-enhancing treatments, including appropriate herbs, GLA oils, chlorophyll-rich foods, and moderate regular exercise. Avoid calcium inhibitors: excess meat or protein from any source; intoxicants (alcohol, tobacco, coffee, marijuana, etc.); refined sugar and too many sweets; and excess salt. Drink distilled water.



"Alternative Medicine--The Definitive Guide" is a book that gives lots of information on arthritis. It stresses PROPER NUTRITION, DETOXIFICATION, AND STRESS REDUCTION. I agree with it. It gives information on alternative treatments including shark cartilage, sea cucumber, and arthritis being linked to dental amalgams.  Herbs it says to use are meadowsweet, willow bark, black cohosh, prickly ash, celery seed, and nettle.

If you decide to detoxify, be careful of all the products out there. The first thing I ask when looking at a detoxification program is "Do you eat while on it?" If you do, then I don't buy it. The purpose of detoxification is to cleanse the colon and to let your body heal. You can't put solid food in when you are trying to get rid of waste. You want the waste OUT. You don't want to make MORE! Plus, your body would be expending its energy to digest the solids. You want your body to expend its energy HEALING.

I hope this information will help you out in your search. Good luck to you.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

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Subject: Re: Any herbs for Fibromyalgia?

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:11:42 -0500

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50 different herbs? Sounds like way too many to me. Herbs work best used together to complement and enhance each other, but I think 50 different herbs is way too many. Standard is much less than that.



Kay





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              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Any herbs for Fibromyalgia?

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:20:42 GMT

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St John's Wort may help, also valerian and passionflower to aid sleep.  Have you checked out the alt.fibromyalgia news group?

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Subject: Food Allergies

From: Grigsby Hart Wotton <ghw3y@node6.unix.Virginia.EDU>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:39:21 -0500

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In addition to what has been said, I would add that I had great success

relieving food and other allergies by taking a combination of plant

enzymes and probiotics (beneficial bacteria).  The reasons are clear from

the explanation that has already been offered and which relates to what is

called the leaky gut syndrome.  Plant enzymes help the body restore its

own potential for creating enzymes, essential for proper digestion, and

they also may enter the blood stream and digest toxic proteins there.

(Please see Edw. Howell, Enzyme Nutrition, a book based on 40 years of

research).  Probiotics help to restore the proper balance of bacteria in

the body and may even destroy harmful micro-organisms.  It's astonishing

to me how few doctors understand these things and the effectiveness of

these substances, given what seem to me to be their great effectiveness.

I guess it's further testimony to the power of pharmaceutical companies

and other interests in shaping medical understanding and practice.







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Subject: Re: Vitamins and Insects

From: JAMESLOEFFLER@CENTURYINTER.NET

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 21:02:20 -0600

--------

In article <352078e0.0@amhnt2.amherst.edu>,

  atshum@unix.amherst.edu () wrote:

>

> Hello all.  I read a while ago somewhere that taking a certain vitamin

> will make one's skin secrete some stuff that will repel insects.  I am

> not sure, but i think it is vitamin b something?  i really cant remember

> and any help would be wonderful.  also, does anyone else know of any good

> and easy ways to repel insects? thanx in advance.

>

>

What you are looking for is viamin B-1, thiamine.  It works like a charm.

I live near the Mississippi River and the 'skeeters get pretty bad

sometimes.  But a megea dose of B-1 a couple of hours before going out will

slow them down in their desire to devour.  Alcohol however will negate the

effect.  jim





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Subject: Vitamins and Insects

From: wl-ski@gratisnet.com (WL Sakowski)

Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 09:08:35 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 a> Date: 31 Mar 98 05:02:24 GMT

 a> Subject: Vitamins and Insects

 a> From: atshum@unix.amherst.edu ()



 a> ... read a while ago somewhere that taking a certain vitamin

 a> ... make one's skin secrete some stuff that will repel insects.



Yes, we were told, when we lived in N.H., that taking Bcomplex

would be a "turn-off" for mosquitoes.  (And one of the "b's" in

particular was of interest, however, taking "complex" takes care

of the whole group.)  I know nothing of it's making "the skin secrete

... stuff",  however, I can tell you that it worked beautifuly for us!

(At least those of us who were cooperative with the idea, as some

seem to be just as content with being a food source   :)   As I  recall,

the richer the blood, the less they seem to desire it...  As for other

insects, I can't say.  All our thoughts were on (*not feeding*)

mosquitoes!



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Subject: Re: Vitamins and Insects

From: "Avram" <daphnathomas@sprintmail.com>

Date: 2 Apr 1998 18:30:39 GMT

--------

I know zinc works wonders in repelling mosquito bites









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Subject: Re: Vitamins and Insects

From: Andy McMullen <jamcmullen@zetnet.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 00:50:09 +0100

--------

The voracious Scottish midge is to be falling foul of Bog Myrtle 

(Myrica gale) in a new "cottage industry" whereby people gather it 

off the hill for processing, somewhere in the west.



I do not know if it grows in North America but other, related plants 

do. I don't think it works anyway (from angst ridden experience with 

it and those wee +*&%$"?~) but someone is making good business out of it.

I find that most of these preparations simply stop the midge from 

biting, not necessarily landing and crawling all over your face.



Other things that  apparently work against Scottish midges at least 

include; garlic, lemon juice and tea tree oil. Since most blood 

sucking insects home in on the CO2 from your breath that leaves us 

with only one, ultimate option I am afraid ............... and some 

summer evennings around my cottage I come close I can tell you!



Andy 







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Subject: Re: Vitamins and Insects

From: pathwr@huntleighhealth.com (Eileen Smith)

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 04:55:13 GMT

--------

Very interesting thread..

I have found that if my family and I are in the woods, the same

members are attacked the most, my husband being attacked worst. I

almost never get bitten. Once, we walked into "tick city", he had

about 14 ticks on him, my stepson 11 and I had none. He is not a

garlic eater and is not one for taking vitamins, I on the other hand,

love garlic and take vitamins. ???

I do know that one should never eat bananas and go into the woods, the

skeeters love you then.

Eileen



atshum@unix.amherst.edu () wrote:



>Hello all.  I read a while ago somewhere that taking a certain vitamin 

>will make one's skin secrete some stuff that will repel insects.  I am 

>not sure, but i think it is vitamin b something?  i really cant remember 

>and any help would be wonderful.  also, does anyone else know of any good 

>and easy ways to repel insects? thanx in advance.



> 





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Subject: Re: Address for American Botanical Council

From: <reeners@sirius.com>

Date: 1 Apr 1998 04:13:42 GMT

--------

Hi,  The address for the ABC (American Botanical Council) is

P.O. Box 201660

Austin, TX  78720-2660



Phone is : 512-331-8868



The ABC along with the Herb Research Foundation also publishes a wonderful

magazine the Herbalgram, it is published quarterly.  It has in depth

information on herbs and the herbal industry.



I hope this helps,

Irene







From: C.L. Getz 

> 

>The American Botanical Council (ABC), based in Austin, Texas, 

>has published a 68-page introductory course on medicinal herbs. 

>"Popular Herbs in the U.S. Market:Therapeutic Monographs" covers 26 

>common herbs, describing their therapeutic benefits, safety, potential 

>side effects, appropriate dosage, international regulatory status and 

>active elements. 

>

and



>It sounds complex, but this new reference works supposedly greatly 

> simplifies the scientific material available, The ABC is offering this 

> work to the general public $15. Unfortunately, I don't have an address 

> for the ABC in Austin, Texas. Can anyone help by posting this address to 

> the NG?

> 







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Subject: Re: aloe vera for sore throats?

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 04:18:43 GMT

--------

On 31 Mar 1998 02:25:28 GMT, carjackall@aol.com (Carjackall) wrote:



>Does aloe vera help sore throats?  If so, how do I take it?   pat



Put bluntly, no.  Aloe vera is a wonderful soothing mucilage used

*externally*.  Used *internally*, Aloe vera is a very effective

purgative.  Try cough lollies instead.



Hope that helps!



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

New email address from 1 April 1998

magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au





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Subject: Re: aloe vera for sore throats?

From: osiris120@aol.com (Osiris120)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 06:54:09 GMT

--------

Aloe is a great healer, but 2 things come to mind concerning sore throats.The

key is to drive the bacteria out or kill it. 1 Hydrogen peroxide and 2 ceyanne

pepper( believe it)

Hydrogen is good for a gargle and will usually take care of most cold related

problems. Don't swallow tho.  Another Amish folk remedy is to take a piece of

bread, put a pinch of ceyenne pepper in it, roll it into a ball and swallow it.

It is said to take care of sore throats. Ceyenne is the only non burning

pepper. You can use it on open cuts to stop bleeding and it won't burn. You

could probably try it on the throat altho, it will probably be a bit of a

hassle





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Subject: Re: EMTs and NON ALCOHOLIC Relatives

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 04:29:38 GMT

--------

On 31 Mar 1998 04:40:07 GMT, "Yarrow" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com> wrote:



>Sorry but you must have read a post not by me as only my Father died of

>cancer and had quit smoking many years before the cancer struck.  And he

>did take herbs...how did they *not* SAVE him?  How is it he died anyway? 

>Also you forget he waited (while taking the worthless herbs) and that gave

>the cancer a good head start.   He was a weekend drinker and not alcoholic.



Umm, this may sound callous, but *everyone* dies sometime.  I think

that a lot of people have got hooked on the notion of immortality

which is strongly promoted by the medical and beauty industries.

Aging and dying are *natural* *processes*.  They are a necessary part

of life.  What is happening now is that people aren't dying at the age

of 40 or 50 of things like pneumonia, or scarlet fever, or flu, but

rather dying at the age of 60 or 70 of cancer, or heart disease.  This

is a direct consequence of medical advances, and no amount of medical

or herbal treatment is going to make any one person immortal.



>

>Neither of my Grandmothers ever smoked or drank!   The Granny who died of

>heart failure (due to a greedy herbalist) never drank at all - where have

>you gotten the idea all my relatives who passed away were alcoholics?   One

>Grandfather was an alcoholic and he died of emphysema caused by heavy

>smoking in his youth and working in a foundry.  His fatal lung condition

>was not caused by drinking.  



Carol, I'm sorry, but what I'm hearing here is the screaming of

someone who has lost someone very dear to them, and is looking for

something to blame.  While I deeply regret your loss of your father, I

think that you would do yourself more good coming to terms with your

loss, rather than blaming his death on the fact that he took herbal

preparations.  I sincerely sorrow for you in your grieving, and I know

that the loss of a father is a wound that takes a long time to heal.

I pray that the spirit of your father goes safely to the rest he has

been awaiting, and that his spirit gives you comfort also.



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

New email address from 1 April 1998

magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au





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Subject: Re: Diabetes herbal remedies?

From: suavesbabe@aol.com (SuavesBabe)

Date: 1 Apr 1998 04:53:20 GMT

--------





>I'm looking for a lot of info on herbal treatments and/or nutritional

>treatments for a friend with diabetes. His traditional methods just

>aren't cutting it anymore. 



Hi Jen,



I have heard of diabetics using cinnamon to help control blood sugar levels. 

As little as 1/4 tsp a day of ground cinnamon can help lower and regulate blood

glucose levels.  If your friend tries this or any other remedy, make sure to

tell them to check their blood glucose levels more frequently as the insulin

dose may need to be decreased.



Allie 





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Subject: Re: Diabetes herbal remedies?

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 16:56:16 GMT

--------



>

>>I'm looking for a lot of info on herbal treatments and/or nutritional

>>treatments for a friend with diabetes. His traditional methods just

>>aren't cutting it anymore. 

>

Greetings,



Your friend should find a physician who also uses alternative and 

complementary medicine. The best directory I've found for locating such 

a practitioner is at http://cgi.pathfinder.com/drweil/



He might want to look into the Atkins Diet (books are available by 

that name in libraries and at bookstores). It utilizes a high protein 

diet (along with exercise and nutritional supplements) that can 

also help diabetes because it drastically reduces the amount of sugars 

(lactose, maltose, fructose and sucrose) that is normally consumed.



Also, I've been researching material for an article on prickly pear 

cactus which has long documentation on its positive effect on diabetics. 

Hispanics and Indians have been eating it (nopales) for centuries. 

Studies (mostly done at Mexican universities) have shown that it has a 

kind of natural insulin. More information can be found at the School for 

Self-Reliance's web site:http://.home.earthlink.net/~nyerges/ppcac.htm



Good luck,

C.L. Getz  





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Subject: Re: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 02:42:58 -0500

--------

For anything serious (i.e. blood poisoning, Lyme, a really bad flu) I always

use the Pau d'Arco.  I generally take 8 capsules 3-6 times a day, depending

on the severity of the problem.  And I generally continue to take it for

7-10 days; although I frequently reduce the # of capsules and times per day,

as the symptoms clear.



For a stomach or intestinal bug, I eat several raw garlic cloves a day.

Usually 2-3 days takes care of the problem.



For ear infections, I recommend home made garlic oil.  The oil in health

food stores just isn't strong enough.  Be sure to use high quality virgin

olive oil for extra germ killing power.



For external infections, I use a soak or paste (a compress will do) of aloe

gel, comfrey root and leaves, and goldenseal.  I can't use this too long or

I react to the goldenseal, but fortunately it works quickly.



For the normal, run of the mill cold/virus/flu, I take Echinacea/Goldenseal.

I use the same frequencies and #'s of capsules as for Pau d'Arco above.



I believe that if you made a really strong tincture of high quality, organic

Echinacea (the stuff available in health food stores is insipid), you would

probably never need another antibiotic.  Someday I'm going to get around to

making me some.  Till then, I'll stick with this variety.



Unlike traditional antibiotic drugs, all of these herbs kill the bugs while

stimulating rather than depressing the immune system.  They also do not harm

the normal intestinal flora and therefore do not lead to secondary

infections.  And best of all, the germs are not able to mutate to become

resistant to the herbs, as they do to drugs.



Anonymous wrote in message <199803281928.UAA18501@basement.replay.com>...

>Hi, Bill.

>

>This is an absolutely fascinating account you have about Lyme Disease.

>Thank you for giving us all more details.  <snip>

>>Since you seem to have given this issue a great deal of thought, would

>you care to share what your "favorite" antibiotic herbs are?

>

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Subject: Re: Herbs: LYME Disease

From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)

Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 20:01:53 +0200 (MET DST)

--------

Dear Bill or Marie, (?)



Thank you for the interesting details of your own favorite herbal 

antibiotic protocols.  I intend to learn how to make garlic oil because 

I am concerned about the high incidence of ear problems associated with 

Lyme Disease.



A microbiologist who is the husband of a friend of a friend has recently 

become interested in the details of my experiences with LD.  I'm really 

glad that you brought up the pau d'arco in response to my initial 

posting -- 'cuz I doubt I would even have remembered that since, as I 

mentioned, it did not seem to create any type of herxheimer response.



I am currently racking my brains for any & every thing I ever 

experiemented with in my attempts to get well, as the microbiolist is 

very curious and also is making some confidential inquiries around to 

see if any professional lyme researcher would be interested in examining 

a vial of my blood.



He is also conferring with his attorney whose niece had LD --- simply 

because he appreciates my "disinterest" in pharmeceutical antibiotics 

---- but if the lyme titers came crawling back with billions of lyme 

antigens (word?) ---- neither of us want to place any lyme researcher 

into any legal predicament due to my "disinterest" in abx. 



I am currently doing a type of high-dose vitamin C pulse therapy; every 

third day I throw 3 cloves of raw garlic into my juice before the 

carrots; I am forcing myself to exercise; and through various means I am 

attempting to elevate my body temp out of the 96.2 range.



Thanks again for all your comments.  They are of special interest to me.  



Stay healthy!!



Cordially,

Rosie







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Subject: Re: immune difficiency and herbs

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 1 Apr 1998 05:15:02 -0700

--------

leto2nbr@aol.com (Leto2nbr) wrote:



>I have a friend suffering from an immuno-difficiency disorder 

>that doctors seem unable to diagnose. 

  If they can't diagnose it, how does she know she has it?  From

the rest of your post it appears that she has a white blood cell

decrease of unknown cause.

  The danger of getting a cold virus is that bacteria would be

able to invade into the virus-damaged tissues more easily, and

without WBC to help fight them off, she could go downhill

rapidly.

  The good news is that many of the cases of "unknown" cell

deficiencies go away in a few weeks to months without leaving any

serious consequences.  You just have to wait it out while the

body heals itself, and don't start piling on home remedies.



>Are there any studies on echinacea and white blood-cell count?  

  Echinacea does NOT affect the WBC count. It does increase the

tendency of the WBC to eat bacteria and destroy them. However, it

assumes that there are some WBC there to stimulate.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: a4 - Any information about Laetrile / Vitamin B17 ?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 1 Apr 1998 05:20:02 -0700

--------

Alec <alec@venus.co.uk> wrote:



>Does anyone have any information about Laetrile / Vitamin B17.

   After testing, it was found to be useless even when the pills

actually had some of the amygdalin in them.    

   However, the vendors are often frauds: We tested a sample of

the stuff a patient had brought back from a Mexican clinic and

found nothing but lactose and some vitamins.  there was no

amygdalin present in the pills he had paid over $2500 for (in

1972!).

>- What is the best dose ?

Zero tablets, as many times a day as you want.

>- Can anyone recommend any supplier ?

No - it's illegal in the US, and the Mexican producers of it

usually don't boither to put any amygdalin in their product.

It's on the label, just not in the pills.

>- Is it actually legal for an MD to

>  treat a patient with this substance ?

No, it is not legal to prescribe this in the US.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: a4 - Any information about Laetrile / Vitamin B17 ?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 1 Apr 1998 05:42:00 -0700

--------

"slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote:

>Try calling the following numbers for Dr. Kurt Donsbach:

>(800) 359-6547

>(619) 428-1146

>They should be able to refer you.

>Here is also Dr. Contreras in Tijuana, Mexico phone number:

>(800) 262-0212 (California)

>(800) 523-8795 (Rest of USA)

>Hope that helps you out.

Kay - 

  Considering the stakes in finding a cancer cure: a Nobel Prize,

lasting fame (like Pasteur), and beaucoup honors all over the

place for ego gratification ... if it really worked they'd be

using it now.  The conspiracy theory - laetrile was suppressed to

avoid loss of income - has a major hole in it.  Doctors die of

cancer.  Doctors children die of cancer.  Doctors friends and

family die of cancer.  (And if people lived longer, doctors could

make more money because they could have longer to bill them.)



  The state of Baja California has such lax medical laws that my

cat could practice medicine there!  The clinics in Tiajuana

shuttle victims across the border, suck their wallets dry and

ship them back home to die.  Their record keeping is so sloppy

that there is no way to track their success rates, and the

diagnostic skills at the clinic are pathetic.  They wouldn't

recognize the difference between lung cancer and TB, leukemia and

AIDS.  The do a quick check on the health of the wallet, and if

it's fat enough, they treat.

  I met a lot of doctors in Mexico: they are not happy about the

quacks along the border damaging their reputation.  They practice

a relatively simple style of medicine, with the lack of

malpractice laws minimizing their need to order massive amounts

of testing, but they are darn good.

  Actually, they have malpractice laws, but damages are less ...

kill a wage earner or damage his earning ability with negligence

and the doctor has to support the family until the children are

grown. It can be draconian.  One doctor refused to treat a

severely injured man, although there was no medical help

available except a veterinarian.  The judge (no jury system) sent

the doc to prison for two years to reconsider his medical career

while he treated prisoners.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Can anyone help me with the english names, characters, or latin names of the following:

From: bill.jee@juno.com

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:32:13 GMT

--------

Can anyone help me with the english names, characters, or latin names

of the following:



Tin Chut 

Tau Yan 

Chek Cheuk 

Sou Muk

Hung Fa

Jat Lan

Dai Wong 

Chek Cheuk

Tao Gwa choy

Ngau Dai Lik 

Jook Duen

Gee Yin Tong

Sun CHun Cho 

Lak Gan

Goon Gun Tang 

Chuen Lin

Gum Cho 

 JookDuen 

Gwat Soy Bow 

Gee Yin Tong       

Ng Ga Pei 

Chun Muk Gwa 

Foon Gan Tong

Fong Fung

Gwai Gee 

Sin Hok Cho 

Yee Heung 

Mood Yeuk

Hung Fa

Sou Muk

Gwai Gee

Gweng Wood 

Hute Git

Yee Heung

Mood Yeuk

Gum Cho





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Subject: Re: herbs for astrological use

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 1 Apr 1998 14:12:20 GMT

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You might like to try these books for astrological associations and herbs.



"The Masterbook of Herbalism" by Paul Beyerl published by Phoenix.



"Color Herbal"  by Culpepper..available in reprints.



You can also check out my website  http://members.aol.com/redwita/index.html



One of my pages is dedicated to the Astrological association of herbs and the

associations of herbs to the Dieties.



BB

Beth

The Truth is Out There





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Subject: Re: herbs for astrological use

From: elhughes@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 05:45:25 GMT

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On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:44:04 +0200, "herbs" <herbs@intekom.co.za>

wrote:



>i need references of herbs and their relationship to astrological sign

>please contact

>mossie

>

>

Try to find The Master Book of Herbalism by Paul Beyerl (Phoenix

Publishing).



Elaine





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Subject: Valerian

From: bpaten@teknetwork.com

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:11:27 -0600

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Hello all,



I am looking for information on Valerian Root.  I have MS and a number of

other physical problems that I take Rx meds for and don't want to add any

more chemicals.  Stress is a large factor in MS relapes so I would like

something to help calm me when I get aggitated.



Thanks in advance,



Barb



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Subject: Re: Valerian

From: jwashb7906@aol.com (JWashb7906)

Date: 2 Apr 1998 05:42:01 GMT

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In article <6ftoq5$4c5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, bpaten@teknetwork.com writes:



>I am looking for information on Valerian Root. 



Hi Barb -



I've not thought of Valerian just for relaxing; it's promoted as a sleep aid. 

"Valerian root has been used for over a thousand years as anatural means of

promoting restful sleep."  It "contains extracts of passion flower and German

chamomile flower, as well as valerian root extract."  (I use Shaklee products.)



Janet









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Subject: Re: Valerian

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 2 Apr 1998 07:22:46 GMT

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JWashb7906 (jwashb7906@aol.com) wrote:

:In article <6ftoq5$4c5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, bpaten@teknetwork.com writes:

:

:>I am looking for information on Valerian Root. 

:

:Hi Barb -

:

:I've not thought of Valerian just for relaxing; it's promoted as a sleep aid. 

:"Valerian root has been used for over a thousand years as anatural means of

:promoting restful sleep."  It "contains extracts of passion flower and German

:chamomile flower, as well as valerian root extract."  (I use Shaklee products.)

:

:Janet

:

:



Valerian on its own works fine, but one gets used to it quickly - in a matter

of days. Nex





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Subject: Re: Valerian

From: stewartallen@earthlink.net

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 13:10:42 -0600

--------

In article <891501766.707220@wagasa.cts.com>,

  nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock) wrote:

>

> JWashb7906 (jwashb7906@aol.com) wrote:

> :In article <6ftoq5$4c5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, bpaten@teknetwork.com writes:

> :

> :>I am looking for information on Valerian Root.

> :

> :Hi Barb -

> :

> :I've not thought of Valerian just for relaxing; it's promoted as a sleep aid.

> :"Valerian root has been used for over a thousand years as anatural means of

> :promoting restful sleep."  It "contains extracts of passion flower and German

> :chamomile flower, as well as valerian root extract."  (I use Shaklee products.)

> :

> :Janet

> :

> :

>

> Valerian on its own works fine, but one gets used to it quickly - in a matter

> of days. Nex

>



I've been using it to relax my back.  However, I've been told that constant

use of it builds up a toxin in the liver that can be quite unpleasant. Don't

know any details, however,



SLA



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Subject: Re: Valerian

From: rdk34@aol.com (RDK34)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 01:02:41 GMT

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>I've been using it to relax my back.  However, I've been told that constant

>use of it builds up a toxin in the liver that can be quite unpleasant. Don't

>know any details, however,

>

>



Toxins?  Does anyone know about this.  I have been using it.  Infact I used it

today to calm down after an allergy attack.  

Nothing I have ever read has mentioned it could be toxic.

Please if anyone knows anything about it being toxic, post your information.



Thank you,

Tammy Ann







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Subject: Re: Valerian

From: afn37133@NoSPAM-1313.afn.org

Date: 5 Apr 1998 23:27:05 GMT

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On 5 Apr 1998 01:02:41 GMT, rdk34@aol.com (RDK34) wrote:

>Toxins?  Does anyone know about this.  I have been using

>it.  Infact I used it today to calm down after an allergy

>attack.  Nothing I have ever read has mentioned it could be

>toxic.  Please if anyone knows anything about it being

>toxic, post your information.



I've been surfing the Web for info on valerian since

December, and I haven't seen anything that suggests that

valerian causes a build-up of toxins in the liver.  The only

place I've seen anybody suggest this is in the newsgroups,

but nobody ever presents any evidence for this claim.



The best article I've seen on valerian is at this Web site:

http://www.uspharmacist.com/issues/1997/december/Valerian.htm



I have a theory about why some people think that valerian is

damaging to the liver.  A lot of people get their info from

a database of medical-journal abstracts called MEDLINE.  If

you do a seach of MEDLINE for valerian, you will receive a

lot of links to papers about heliotrope poisoning and the

resulting liver damage in test animals.  Quite alarming, but

this doesn't apply to valerian.



The confusion is due to valerian's other common name. 

Valerian is also known as "garden heliotrope," but valerian

is not part of the genus Heliotropium; valerian is part of

the genus Valeriana, thus its biological name is Valeriana

officinalis.  The papers on heliotrope poisoning were

talking about certain species from the genus Heliotropium,

to which valerian does not belong.



I've found only one paper in MEDLINE that mentioned testing

for liver damage after valerian use (the pertinent part of

the paper will follow my message).  The paper states that

valerian is safe in the very short term; as for long-term

use, more studies must be done.  So, should you or shouldn't

you use it over the long term?  Well, if you are a cautious

 person, perhaps you shouldn't.



---------------------------------

POSTGRADUATE MEDICAL JOURNAL

Chan TY  Tang CH  Critchley JA

Poisoning due to an over-the-counter hypnotic, Sleep-Qik

(hyoscine, cyproheptadine, valerian).

In: Postgrad Med J (1995 Apr) 71(834):227-8

ISSN: 0032-5473



There was no clinical evidence of acute hepatitis in the 23

patients after taking an average of 2.5 g of valerian (range

0.5 to 12 g). There was no evidence of subclinical liver

damage in 12 patients who had routine liver function tests

performed approximately 6-12 hours after ingestion. Delayed

onset of severe liver damage was excluded in 10 patients in

whom a telephone follow-up was possible.



However, subclinical liver dysfunction in the acute stage

(onset after 12-24 hours) and in the intervening period

after discharge from hospital could not be excluded. To

establish the risk of hepatotoxicity in long-term users and

in those taking an overdosage of valerian, a much larger

study of longer duration with serial liver function tests is

clearly needed.

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Subject: Re: Valerian

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:49:57 GMT

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On 5 Apr 1998 01:02:41 GMT, rdk34@aol.com (RDK34) wrote:



>>I've been using it to relax my back.  However, I've been told that constant

>>use of it builds up a toxin in the liver that can be quite unpleasant. Don't

>>know any details, however,

>>

>>

>

>Toxins?  Does anyone know about this.  I have been using it.  Infact I used it

>today to calm down after an allergy attack.  

>Nothing I have ever read has mentioned it could be toxic.

>Please if anyone knows anything about it being toxic, post your information.

>

>Thank you,

>Tammy Ann

>

Just my $0.05 worth (Australia doesn't go down to 2c coins anymore

<grin>).  



*Anything* taken  in large doses over prolonged periods of time can be

toxic.  Even carrots.  Remember, of all the people who ate carrots in

1899, almost all of them are dead... a thought to carry with you.

<grin>



Seriously though, the most sensible thing you can do with *any* type

of medication (herbal or otherwise) is to stick to *occasional*  use.

If you're only using something potent once every so often, then your

body has time to clear out all of the possible toxins and deal with

all of the side effects.  It's when you use something that is designed

for occasional use (eg tranquilisers, alcohol etc) on a regular basis,

in large doses, that your body starts to malfunction.



Hope that helps.



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

New email address from 1 April 1998

magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au





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Subject: Re: Valerian

From: dmcd@ntr.net

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 12:05:39 -0600

--------







   Valerian works well but can lead to dependancy. I'd reccommend Skullcap..

Tons of info on the internet about valerian, just do a search...



In article <6ftoq5$4c5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

  bpaten@teknetwork.com wrote:

>

> Hello all,

>

> I am looking for information on Valerian Root.  I have MS and a number of

> other physical problems that I take Rx meds for and don't want to add any

> more chemicals.  Stress is a large factor in MS relapes so I would like

> something to help calm me when I get aggitated.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Barb

>

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>





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Subject: bloodroot paste?

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 16:19:15 GMT

--------

Where can I buy this? I've looked everywhere and can only find the

extract.  



B. Chamberlin







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Subject: Re: Heel Spur & POSSIBLE CURES

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 10:50:59 -0600

--------

Again, Carol, I use DIET first. My posts always include proper nutrition and diet changes. Herbs and vitamins are next in my posts. Nothing at all wrong with that. And I do have the education. As far as diagnosing, most people who post already HAVE their diagnosis. I don't diagnose others, I give a proper protocol for the diagnosis they give me.

It was your fathers choice if he went to a "real" doctor or not. I have seen people die using alternatives only, conventional only, and even a mixture of both. This is why I encourage and support my clients in whatever means of treatment they choose to use. 

I don't give people a magic fix in my posts. My posts are usually major diet changes first. This type of thing is hard to do. I know because I have done it. Whether they choose to do it or not is up to them. I just supply the information for them and let them make their own decision. Maybe you need to deal with your fathers death, accept it, and go on with your life. That is also a hard thing to do--I have also done that with my mother. You would feel better if you didn't have so much anger. There are grief support groups in communities that can be of great benefit.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Yarrow wrote in message <01bd5c64$8fb30100$837041cf@default>...

>And you don't see anything wrong with people here diagnosing and

>recommending treatments (herbal or otherwise) over the Internet = person

>unseen?  This seems fine to you?  Somehow something is being missed here. 

>Nothing is wrong with supplements but I see posts where it's obvious people

>are not looking for a healthier lifestyle - they're looking for a magic fix

>in a bottle or box.  And the Salespeople are right there to sell them

>anything!   

>

>My anger comes from the death of my father due to not getting to a REAL Dr.

>in time.  Not that that seems to matter on some of these holistic type

>NG's.  The attitude seems to be to take herbs or other natural substances,

>even if you don't know for sure what is wrong with you - and keep your

>fingers crossed you don't get worse or possibly die.  You may even get

>better (you can get better not taking anything too).

>-- 

>

>Carol .....

>***The problem with the gene pool is that there is no lifeguard.***

>~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*~~*









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Subject: Re: herbs and boweldisorders

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 1 Apr 1998 10:36:00 -0700

--------

There are some sites on Leaky Gut Syndrome that offer information.

There are so many things that can be wrong with the

bowel/digestive/elimination systems. From simple chamomile and

peppermint tea  calming herbs;  to help with elimination Hepatic

herbs....     Good Luck.



"Koen Dewinter" <Koen.Dewinter@village.uunet.be> wrote:



>Hi,



>I'm looking for information about treating boweldisorders with herbal

>medicines?

>Any good sites?



>Koen.















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Subject: Re: Herbs for ADD/ADHD

From: rotnappl@ix.netcom.com (Greg Reid)

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 10:42:18 -0700

--------



ADD to my understanding is a "lack" of certain neurochemicals in the brain

that control impulsive type behavior, blurting out to speak, not waiting

for others to finish talking, easily distracted in though or tasks, having

many things/tasks started and few/none finished, lashing out behavior.



Certain compounds can stimulate and raise the production of these neurocompounds

in the brain, appearing to have a calming influence on the individual.





The quantities/doses needed are often very very small, and if properly adjusted

should NOT produce any kind of stoning effect, nor addictive, nor withdrawal 

effects. 



If your doctor does not start out with quanities in the less than 10mg/day dose

with the individual taking more/less, themselves adjusting the dose, then

they are not up to date on the most recent advances.



Yes the evidence suggests that ADD is a heritary condition. No it is not

on the rise, it has now simply been identified and labeled. Prior the

behavior side effects led to the description of children as bad behavior,

bright but unfocused, not working to potential and worse.



There has been some suggestion that ADD is not a disorder at all but an

alternate neurological type, not necessarily bad in itself. Much like

being left

handed is just different not better or worse.



Some other other indications of ADD are verbal dislexia, speaking words in

the wrong order, reversing the order of letters when typing "hte" instead

of "the",

engaging in high risk impulsive behavior, self medicating- using alcohol

or street drugs make them often feel "normal" for the first time in their

life.



greg (my opinions based on alot of reading)









In article <6fpvdj$b5g$1@juliana.sprynet.com>, "W. Cathey"

<carter1@sprynet.com> wrote:



> Kay

> 

> I am perplexed by ADD and the apparently skyrocketing number of cases out

> there.  My gut instinct is that too many doctors are rushing to medicate

> children that may or may not need it.  This is purely my opinion, but it

> seems strange to me that twenty years ago I never had any experience or even

> heard of anything like ADD.

> 

> I have a friend who teaches middle school and she has a kid that has ADD in

> her class.  Every month or so, his prescription runs out and the mother

> doesn't (for some reason I have not pursued) fill it for a few days to a

> week.  For that time, this kid is a terror and teaching the class ceases to

> control him.  Sadly, on his medications, this kid is apparently a good kid

> and a good student.  It is a frightening condition that I know nothing

> about.

> 

> Has any research concluded causes or contributing factors to ADD?

> 

> Also, I wonder if ADD/ADHD is only on the rise in this country or if it is a

> global problem?

> 

> -Carter

> 

> slade or kay henson wrote in message <6fpa50$bo6$1@news2.alpha.net>...

> My son was on Ritalin for a while. He was then switched to Dexedrine. Then

> they wanted to switch him to Klonipin (not sure of the spelling). I took him

> completely off the Dexedrine, detoxed him for a week with blood purifying

> herbs so he wouldn't have withdrawals from it, then started him on a mixture

> of herbs to relax and calm him. These herbs were: Passion Flower, Valerian

> Root, Chamomile, flower, Hops flowers, Catnip, Lavender Flower, Myrrh gum,

> and Spearmint leaves. He did wonderful on this mixture. He was calm, could

> think, could interact with others without being loud and destructive, and he

> didn't have the "stoned and stupid" gaze in his eyes. He is now 7 years old,

> and doesn't take it any longer unless we have something out of the ordinary

> going on. We also use behavior modification with him and have taught him to

> control himself and his behavior. Along with that, is a diet change. We have

> very good nutrition in our house, and it has calmed down around here

> immensely!!

> 

> Kay

> 

> 

> 

>   --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

>               or

>   --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade

> 

> CyberKnight wrote in message <6fo963$hb6$1@usenet76.supernews.com>...

> >Is there any Herbs that any would recommend to aid in concentration and

> >other ADD/ADHD issues? Please keep an open mind when replying.

> >

> >~~~Darren

> >

> >--------------------------------------

> >

> >





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Subject: GENTIAN ROOT HAS ANYONE USED THIS HERB?

From: "Xerri J C (Joseph)" <jxerri@mailhost.pd4.ford.com>

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:44:20 -0500

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GENTIAN ROOT HAS ANYONE USED THIS HERB?





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Subject: Re: GENTIAN ROOT HAS ANYONE USED THIS HERB?

From: rpeterso@ns2.trytel.com (Ray Peterson)

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 18:47:43 GMT

--------

Genian is the principal ingredient of Angostura Bitters, available at

nearest supermarket.On Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:44:20 -0500, "Xerri J C

(Joseph)" <jxerri@mailhost.pd4.ford.com> wrote:



>GENTIAN ROOT HAS ANYONE USED THIS HERB?







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Subject: Re: Can't Stop This Nagging Cough

From: "K. Moran" <kjmoran@nortel.com>

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 12:33:22 -0600

--------

I agree with the Puddies--my doctor told me that the Dallas-Fort Worth area is

one of the WORST in the country for allergies and pollen problems, and '96-'98

have been some of the worst years.  I never had any allergies when I lived up

north, but about 5 years after living in DFW,  I acquired then (esp. ragweed),

and my Dr. put me on Claritin which helped a lot.  You may also have a sinus

infection which travels back and forth from the nose to the lungs and doesn't

go away easily (happend to me awhile back, sick for 4-5 months, Dr. gave me a

prescrip. nasal spray and cleared it up in 3 days!). OR, it could be something

entirely different (and worse), so Richard, please go see your doctor about

this; you've been sick way too long! Good luck!



Kelli - DFW



The Puddies wrote:



> Richard W. Albin wrote in message <350D7940.6381@flash.net>...

> >I am in my late 40's and am in good health.  I do not smoke or drink.  I

> >live in the Dallas-Fort Worth area in Texas.  I developed a nagging

> >cough about 2 months ago and thought I was coming down with a cold or

> >flu or something.

>

> Could you be suffering from that famous Texas "Cedar Fever" ????  My

> daughter lives in your general area, and those cedars give off a pollen

> around this time of year that is pretty irritating.

>

> It could be some kind of allergy or sinus thing too.







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Subject: Re:drying rackm addendum

From: sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date: 1 Apr 1998 19:02:42 GMT

--------

Allrightie I goofed 

A) um I seem to have lost those directions that I posted could someone who

saved them mail them back to me? <yes you can quit giggling at me now>



B) there are 4 more pieces of wood to take into account (I forgot about these

before I took the pictures) to stabilize the legs vertically as well, I nailed

the pices of molding to 1x2's just to be on the safe side.  I do recommend you

do this before adding the stabalization base at the bottom.



C) If you are completely and utterly lost, email me



d) I now have pictures scanned and avaliable, but would need to send them to ou

via ICQ or email, so if you would like to see them let me know







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Subject: alopecia (sp?) hair loss

From: "pj" <pjgr@netins.net>

Date: 1 Apr 1998 19:17:31 GMT

--------

My 14 year old daughter has a growing bald spot on the back of her head. 

Any herbs to help this?







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Subject: Re: alopecia (sp?) hair loss

From: nico7mar@aol.com (NICO7MAR)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 17:36:46 GMT

--------

>My 14 year old daughter has a growing bald spot on the back of her head. 

>Any herbs to help this?

>

>



I have read that a combination of rubbing alchohol, 1 peeled onion (cut into

separate pieces or whole) and dried nettle leaves left to soak and then applied

on the scalp every night is helpful.



Marilyn





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Subject: Re: Help for Chrons Disease?

From: gr8stuff@bigfoot.com

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 15:25:12 -0600

--------

In article <6fehhn$5kt@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,

  Miriam <palin.anah@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>

> Can anyone tell me if they've had sucess with herbs & vitamins in

> alleviating Chrons Disease?

>

> Miriam

>

>

      Yes, FOLIC ACID!  BUT PLEASE GO TO A DOCTOR sometimes Chons Disease is a

an early sign of Diabetes









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Subject: Re: Help for Chrons Disease?

From: beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker)

Date: 4 Apr 1998 13:50:24 GMT

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Kay wrote:

>Crohn's disease, chronic inflammation of the digestive tract, is =

[snip]

>Common causes: A diet with low fiber, excess refined sugar and =

>acid-forming foods, leading to a severely inflamed colon which forms =

>deep ulcers along the entire length of the digestive tract from rectum =

>to mouth.



There is also a genetic component.   And I think it's a little simplistic to

blame this condition on diet alone, when millions of people eat a similar diet

without getting this disease.  The low fiber factor comes in partly because

high-fiber causes the symptoms to worsen, so these people avoid high fiber

diets to avoid pain and suffering.



And certainly anyone with Crohn's should see a doctor since there are many

possible complicating factors.  There may be anemia, malnutrition, there could

be allergies or infection involved... these factors need to be considered and

eliminated and I don't suggest anyone try this at home!    In some cases,

surgery is required to prevent hemorahge.  Although I wouldn't recommend having

bits of your intestine removed, in some cases removal of hopelessly damaged

portions of the digestive tract have provided lasting relief to some folks.



Kay, what really prompted me to write was the following (edited for brevity)



>Diet improvement is the key:

[snip]

>2. Then add mild fruits and vegetables for a week: carrots, potatoes, =

[snip]

>3. Add steamed and raw vegetables, brans, cultured foods for 2 weeks: =

[snip]

>4. Finally add rice, whole grains, wheat germ, tofu, fish and seafood =

[snip]

>5. The continuing diet should be high in complex carbohydrates, fiber =

[snip]

>Herbal Therapy:

[snip]

>Evening Primrose Oil caps--500mg twice daily.

[snip]

>Effective herbal anti-oxidants to scavenge free radicals involved in =

[snip]

>Effective herbal flavonoids:

[snip]

>Supplements:

[snip]

>Take daily for enzyme therapy:

[snip]

>Replace depleted nutrients:



Hon, isn't that *prescribing*?  I know you want to help, but I've seen you list

similar therepeutic suggestions for other people, too.  I have to ask - what

are your credentials?  Doctor?  Nutritionst?  Some other healer?



I'm concerned because, while in some situations it appears clear what's wrong

with someone, in others you can't know for sure.  I'm also concerned that, if

someone becomes seriously ill after cruising this newsgroup you might be

targeted for blame.  This isn't like recommending echinnecea to prevent colds,

this is a serious, potentially life-threatenting medical condition.  Be

careful, OK?



>---Broomstick---





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Subject: ants

From: "lobakola" <lobakola@mail.csrlink.net>

Date: Wed, 1 Apr 1998 16:43:17 -0500

--------

pennyroyal good for keeping ants away?  any suggetions, advice?  dont want

to kill them or wipe out their colonies, just want to make them go somewhere

else :)



loba kola









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Subject: Re: ants

From: Sienna@SBLOCKWildfieldStudios.com (Sienna Wildfield)

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 03:45:12 GMT

--------

A good ant bait recipe which won't kill the colony, only the foraging

ants, is:



1 TBS borax (Sodium tetraborate)

1 TBS boracic acid

1 cup brown or raw sugar

2 cups water



Place these ingredients in an old saucepan and heat gently until

dissolved.  BE SURE NOT TO BURN.



Pour into jam jar lids.



If you have problems with sugar ants, add crushed cereal, breadcrumbs,

etc. to the lid.



For meat ants add crumbs of dry pet food.



Effects of the bait are usually not noticeable for several days to a

week.



Have you heard about swarms of argentine ants invading California?

Check out http://expage.com/page/antinvaders



"lobakola" <lobakola@mail.csrlink.net> wrote:



>pennyroyal good for keeping ants away?  any suggetions, advice?  dont want

>to kill them or wipe out their colonies, just want to make them go somewhere

>else :)



>loba kola













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Subject: Re: ants

From: reebootn@aol.com (Reebootn)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 19:23:45 GMT

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Tansy is suppose to be a good ant repellant.





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Subject: Re: ants

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:38:17 -0700

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Reebootn wrote:

> 

> Tansy is suppose to be a good ant repellant.



I had read that Tansy was a good ant repellant so I planted it around my

orange tree.  I even sprinkled to powdered tansy around the tree.  It

did not work.  We have the Argentiean Ants out here and the are very

hard to get rid of.  I did discover that baby powder would stop them

from crossing over into the house.  I have tried vinegar.  It worked for

a few days but was to much to keep appling it on all of the surfaces. 

The ants would walk around the areas where I wiped the vinegar.  I now

am going to try diatomitous earth.  Again something that I will have to

be appling outside frequently. 



J9





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Subject: Re: ants

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:08:51 -0500

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Pete & Janine wrote:

> 

> Reebootn wrote:

> >

> > Tansy is suppose to be a good ant repellant.

> 

> I had read that Tansy was a good ant repellant so I planted it around

> my orange tree.  I even sprinkled to powdered tansy around the tree.  

> It did not work.  We have the Argentiean Ants out here and the are 

> very hard to get rid of.  I did discover that baby powder would stop 

> them from crossing over into the house.  I have tried vinegar.  It 

> worked for a few days but was to much to keep appling it on all of 

> the surfaces.  The ants would walk around the areas where I wiped the 

> vinegar.  I now am going to try diatomitous earth.  Again something 

> that I will have to be appling outside frequently.



Don't breathe the diatomaceous earth.  [respiratory silicosis....]



If you can find the nest, try the boiling soapy water drill.  Has to

be soap, not detergent.  Bring large pot of water to a boil.  Clear

pathway from stove to door.  Add soap and let foam briefly, snatch

from stove and proceed with all deliberate haste to the ant nest.

Pour a ring around the nest and spiral inward.  [You can actually see

fire ant mounds collapsing as the soap dissolves the ant saliva glue 

holding the mound together.]  Finish off with the dollop of suds.



Are you using talc or cornstarch baby powder [or does it seem to be 

the scent which repels them]?  Yes, vinegar works, also for pharaoh

ants.  I have reports of black pepper and cinnamon also repelling ants.



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: ants

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 19:15:51 -0700

--------

> 

> Don't breathe the diatomaceous earth.  [respiratory silicosis....]

> 

> If you can find the nest, try the boiling soapy water drill.  Has to

> be soap, not detergent.  Bring large pot of water to a boil.  Clear

> pathway from stove to door.  Add soap and let foam briefly, snatch

> from stove and proceed with all deliberate haste to the ant nest.

> Pour a ring around the nest and spiral inward.  [You can actually see

> fire ant mounds collapsing as the soap dissolves the ant saliva glue

> holding the mound together.]  Finish off with the dollop of suds.

> 

> Are you using talc or cornstarch baby powder [or does it seem to be

> the scent which repels them]?  Yes, vinegar works, also for pharaoh

> ants.  I have reports of black pepper and cinnamon also repelling ants.

>  



I have tried the soap on the nests but the ants here do use one nest. 

They build nests about every three to five feet along their trails,  I

did try to look for the larger nests.  I have tried to use cayanne

pepper finely ground thinking that that would work but it did not.  I

only use the diatomaceous earth outside while using a a dust mask.  I

have used the pyrethrum powder and was very pleased with the results. 

But I have free range chickens wondering around in my yard and was very

uncomfortable with using it.



I will try to use the black pepper and cinnamon.  When we had our ducks

they did love to follow the trails and eat the ants, especially when we

disturbed the nests so they would start to move the eggs.



J9





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Subject: Re: ants

From: "Joyce Lovell" <joyce@clandjop.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 00:40:02 -0700

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Try Spearmint - Ants hate it - we had a problem with ants at our trailor at

the lake - I put peices of spearmint gum in the cabnits and spinkled

spearmint around the outside of the trailor - we didn't have a problem the

rest of the summer









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Subject: ants

From: "lobakola" <lobakola@mail.csrlink.net>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:55:39 -0400

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ok,

people have had success sprinkling anyone of these:



cinnamon

black pepper

spearmint leaves

tansy

baby powder



some had short term success with vinegar, said it lasted a couple days, and

was too much a hassle to keep applying it.









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Subject: Re: Stomach problems

From: steklitz@ix.netcom.com

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 20:09:31 -0600

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In article <MPG.f88dcb0a78d185f98969f@n3.supernews.com>,

  pumper@NOSPAMbigfoot.com (Ramrod) wrote:

>

> can someone tell me a herb that will control Gas. I am 57 yrs old male. I

> pass gas all the time unexspectedly very embarassing in public.  Also

> what is a good source for lots of Fiber in pill form. Could someone reply

> via email, I dont get to view this group too often.

>



parsley is supposed to help control gas.  It even works for your dog too ;-)



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Subject: Re: Stomach problems

From: krystnm@mbddoc5.cse.tek.com (Krystn Z Mccaleb)

Date: 7 Apr 1998 00:54:05 GMT

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Try switching to entirely filtered water. 



Eliminating the chlorine and other chemicals allowed my system to start 

working correctly. I am 45 and had some gas problems. Recently, I installed 

a good filter at my kitchen sink and used it for all cooking and drinking 

water. I also started using filtered water at work. I didn't expect any help 

with gas, just better tasting water. My wife noticed a similar benefit. 

We eat beans, rice, and lots of veggies.



Krystn







Email krystn.Z.Mccaleb@tek.com



"Any ideas or opinions expressed here do not necessarily reflect 

the ideas or opinions of my employer." 







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Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 2 Apr 1998 02:12:56 GMT

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Hi



I wasnt sure about this, I'd read somewhere or heard somewhere that garlic

wasnt good for dogs in large doses, but it seems to be that some people say

its ok (as my vet said) and some say dont give them too much. ( I have no

idea what "too much" is), but I would assume it would be rediculous

amounts, I guess you can never use too much of a good thing!



I've been giving my dog a fresh clove of garlic in her meals each day now

for a few weeks and she's doing ok...



haha..Your dog weighs more than I do, so the amount of garlic your giving

him should be ok!



By the way, do you think the garlic works for fleas and ticks?....



Stacey



NMHerblady <nmherblady@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998040115383701.KAA07805@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> Hi, 

> 

> Please define "too much".  We give our dogs a garlic capsule every day to

> prevent ticks, but don't want to overdose them either.  We make fill the

00

> caps which equates to approx. 400- 500 mg. One dog is about 60 pounds the

other

> 125 pounds and not overwieght, just big!!!

> Louise/Nature's Flavorings

> http://members.aol.com/natflav/index.htm

> All that mankind needs for good health and healing is provided in nature

..

> the challange to science is to find it...---Paraceisus (Father of

Pharmacology)

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: herbs for animal health

From: nmherblady@aol.com (NMHerblady)

Date: 2 Apr 1998 16:19:41 GMT

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>By the way, do you think the garlic works for fleas and ticks?....



Stacey,



Yes I do.  We found ticks on them last spring, removed the ticks and started

giving the the dogs the garlic caps.  No more ticks all summer.  We stopped

when the temps dropped back down into the 80's.  The big guy just gobbles

everything up but the smaller one a St. Bernard and Chow mix really turned his

nose up at it som we just sprinkled the garlic powder on his food!  And that

took care of that!!!  ;-0

Louise/Nature's Flavorings

http://members.aol.com/natflav/index.htm

All that mankind needs for good health and healing is provided in nature ...

the challange to science is to find it...---Paraceisus (Father of Pharmacology)







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Subject: Psychopharmacology of Calea zacatechichi A Dream Plant

From: patanie@hotmail.com (Patane)

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 02:20:56 GMT

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Journal of Ethnopharmacology 18 (1986) 229-243 Elsevier Scientific

Publishers Ireland Ltd



PSYCHOPHARMACOLOGIC ANALYSIS OF AN ALLEGED

ONEIROGENIC PLANT: CALEA ZACATECHICHI



LILIAN MAYAGOITIA. Jose-Luis Diaz and Carlos M. CONTRERAS



Departamenta de Psicobiologia y Cunducto, Instituto Mexicano de

Psiquiatria, Antiguo



Camino a Xochimilco 101, San Lorenzo Huipulco Tlalpan 14370 and

Departamento de



Fisiologia. Instituto de Investigaciones Biomedicas, Universidad

Nacional

Autonoma de



Mexico, Apartado Postal 70228. Ciudad Universitaria, Coyoacan 04510

(Mexico, D.F.)



(Accepted October 8. 1986)



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(HTML'd & OCR'd by GluckSpilz. All Spelling

Errors are MINE)



Summary



Calea zacatechichi is a plant used by the Chontal Indians of Mexico to



obtain divinatory messages during dreaming. At human doses, organic



extracts of the plant produce the EEG and behavioral signs of

somnolence



and induce light sleep in cats. Large doses elicit salivation, ataxia.



retching and occasional vomiting. The effects of the plant upon

cingulum



discharge frequency were significantly different from hallucinogenic-



dissociative drugs (ketamine. quipazine, phencyclidine and SKF-10017).

In



human healthy volunteers, low doses of the extracts administered in a



double-blind design against placebo increased reaction time end

time-lapse



estimation. A controlled nap sleep study in the same volunteers showed



that Calea extracts increased the superficial stages of sleep and the



number of spontaneous awakenings. The subjective reports of dreams



were significantly higher than both placebo and diazepam, indicating

an



increase in hypnagogic imagery occurring during superficial sleep

stages.



Introduction



Dreams are important in mesoamerican cultures. They are believed to



occur in a realm of suprasensory reality and, therefore, are capable

of



conveying messages (Lopez-Auatin. 1980). The use of plant preparations

in



order to produce or to enhance dreams of a divinatory nature

constitutes



an ethnopharmacological category that can be called "oneiromancy" and



which justifies rigorous neuropharmacological research.



There are several plants used in Indian communities of Mexico to

obtain



divinatory messages from dreams. Several puffball mushrooms



(Lycoperdon spp.), wrongly reported as hallucinogens (Ott et al.,

1975),

are



eaten fresh by Mixtec Indians before going to bed in order to dream

(Diaz,



1975. 1979). Nahuatl Indians from the Sierra de Puebla use an as yet



unidentified species of Salvia, known by the name of Xiwit, for the

same



purpose (Tim Knab, pers. commun.). The plant known as Bakana to the



Tarahumara Indians, which has been reported to be an analgesic,



antipsychotic and divinatory agent(Bye. 1979), was later found to be



employed for dreaming during night sleep (William Merrill, pers.



commun.). Finally, Calea zacatechichi Schl. (Compositae) is used in

the



same context by the Chontal Indians of Oaxaca.



C. zacatechichi is a plant of extensive popular medicinal use in

Mexico



(Diaz. 1976). An infusion of the plant (roots. leaves and stem) is

employed



against gastrointestinal disorders, as an appetizer. cholagogue,

cathartic.



antidysentry remedy, and has also been reported to be an effective



febrifuge. With other aromatic Compositae, dry C. zacatechichi is used

as



insecticide (Diet, 1975). There is also some information concerning



psychotropic properties of this plant that require further

clarification



(Schultes and Hofmann, 1973).



The pioneer study on the appetizer properties of zacatechichi,

conducted



at the Institute Medico Nacional of Mexico, mentioned some

psychoactive



effects (Sandoval, 1882). MacDougall (1968) reported that a Chontal



informant knew that the leaves of the plant were to be either smoked

or



drunk as an infusion to obtain divinatory messages. Subsequent



interviews with MacDougall's informant and active participation in



ceremonial ingestion revealed that the plant is used for divination

during



dreaming (Diaz, 1975). Whenever it is desired to know the cause of an



illness or the location of a distant or lost person, dry leaves of the

plant



are smoked, drunk and put under the pillow before going to sleep.



Reportedly, the answer to the question comes in a dream. A collection

of



interviews and written reports concerning the psychotropic effects of

these;



preparations on 12 volunteers has been published (Diaz. 1975, 1979).

Free,



reports and direct questioning disclosed a discrete enhancement of all



sensorial perceptions, an increase in imagery, mild thought

discontinuity,



rapid flux of ideas. and difficulties in retrieval. These effects were

followed



by somnolence and a short sleep during which lively dreams were

reported



by the majority of the volunteers. These preliminary observations



suggested that the psychotropic effects of the plant were similar to

those



interesting from ethnobotanical. psychological and

neuropharmacological



of the "cognodysleptic" drugs, whose prototype is marihuana (Cannabis



saliva)(Diaz, 1979). The possible effects upon dreaming are the most



perspectives .



C. zacatechichi is a shrub measuring 1-1.5 m in height. The plant has



many branches with oviform and opposite leaves (3-5 cm long and 2-4 cm



wide). The leaves show serrated borders, acute endings and a short

petiole.



They are rugose and pubescent. The inflorescence is small and dense



(comprising around 12 flowers each) with the pedicels shorter than the



heads (Martinet, 1939). The plant grows from Mexico to Costs Rice in

dry



savannas and canyons (Schultes and Hoffmann, 1973). The name of the



species comes from Nahuatl "zacatechichi" which means "bitter grass'

and



is the common name of the plant all over Mexico. It is also known with

the



Spanish names of "zacate de perro" (dog's grass), "hoja madre"

(mother's



leaf) "hoja de dies" (Cod's leaf), and thle-pela-kano in Chontal Diaz,



1975).



Several sesquiterpene lactones had been isolated from the plant.

Calaxin



and ciliarin were identified by Ortega et al. (1970), and the



germacranolides, 1B-acetoxy zacatechinolide and l-oxo zacatechinolide,

by



Bohlmann and Zdero (1977). Quijano at al. (1977. 1978) identified



caleocromenes A and B and caleins A and B. while Ramos (1979) found



caleicins I and II. Herz and Kumar (1980) isolated acacetin, o-methyl



acacetin, zexbrevin and an analogue, as well as several analogues of



budlein A and neurolenin B, including calein A. C. zacatechichi

samples



show differences in chemical composition, which has led Bohlmann et

al.



(1981) to suggest that chemical taxonomy may help to reclassify the



genus. Further taxonomic work is required since our Chontal informant



distinguishes between "good" and "bad" varieties according to their



psychotropic properties.



In the present paper we report some properties of zacatechichi

extracts



upon cat behavior and EEG, human reaction time, nap EEG, and



subjective experiences.



Materials and methods



Plant collection and extract preparations



"Good" samples of C. zacatechichi were collected under the guidance of



the Chontal informant near Tehuantepec, Oaxaca during November, 1978.



Specimens of this collection were identified by Dr. Miguel Angel

Martinet



Alfaro at the National Herbarium of Mexico as C. zacatechichi despite

the



Fact that there were minor morphological differences relative to

previously



collected material. The samples were identical with collections made

in the



area of the isthmus of Tehuantepec.



One kilogram of the dried plant (stem and leaves) was mashed and



extracted with hexane until exhaustion in a Soxhlet apparatus. This



fraction was dried and 308 of an solvent-free hexane extract were



obtained. The remaining material was thoroughly extracted with

methanol



and the organic fraction evaporated. This procedure resulted in 86 g

of a



solvent-free gummy residue called the methanol extract. Both extracts



were separated in fractions and packed in gelatin capsules for



pharmacological experiments. The dose was estimated in the following



manner: the human dose for divinatory purposes reported by the Chontal



informant is "a handful" of the dried plant. Since the mean weight of



many handfuls taken by several people was 60 g. we decided that the



average human dose (HD-1) is around 1 g/kg of dried-mashed material.



Therefore, the HD-1 for the hexane extract was 30 mg/kg, and 86 mg/kg

for



the methanol extract. In the experiments with cats. doses of HD-2. -4.

-6



and -10 of both extracts were used. The EEG; effects of C.

zacatechichi



extracts were compared with those elicited by phencyclidine

(Bio-ceutic



Laboratories), quipazine (Miles Research Products). ketamine (Parke



Davis) and SKF-10047 (Smith Kline B French), and industrial solvent



toluene. which can produce the appearance of 6 cps spike and wave



activity in the cingulum of cats. During the appearance of this



electrographic activity. animals show "hallucinatory" behavior

(Conteras



et al.. 1979, 1984).



Behavioral toxicology in cats



This first experiment was performed in order to assess the possible

toxic



behavioral effects of C. zacatechichi extracts. For this purpose three

male



cats (3 kg each) were used. Observations were done from 1300 to 1500 h

in



a sound-attenuated recording chamber (109 x 76 x 74 cm) with a

triple-glass



wall. Each animal was placed in the cage and its behavior was recorded

for



1 h prior to oral administration of a gelatin capsule (25 x 8 mm)

containing



a zacatechichi extract and 2 h thereafter. Each capsule was placed

inside



the mouth and swallowing was forced by giving 2-3 ml of saline

solution.



The extracts (methanol or hexane) and doses (HD-1, HD-2. HD-4. HD-10)



were randomly assigned and tested only once. Two cats were observed



three times and the third animal twice. Between tests each animal was



allowed to rest for 6 days. Sampling ad libitum (Altmann. 1974) was

used



to evaluate the cats' response. Attention was given to abnormal

behaviors



such as ataxia, bizarre postures and movements directed to

non-existing



objects (Fischer. 1969).



EEG activity in cats



Several common EEG effects to a series of hallucinogenic compounds



have been reported by Winters et al. (1972). A dissociative action in



multi-unitary activity between the reticular formation and basolateral



amygdala and a hypersynchronic rhythm (2-3 cpa) in cortical recording

are



the two most characteristic features. Tracheal administration of



neurotoxic industrial solvents produce limbic discharges while cats

display



"hallucinatory behavior" (Contreras et al., 1979). The following

experiment



was designed to ascertain whether C. zacatechichi extracts share these



neurophysiological actions.



Six adult male cats were stereotaxically implanted with stainless

steel



concentric bipolar electrodes in the basolateral amygdala. the septum

and



cingulum according to the atlas of Snider and Niemer (1961). Epidural



electrodes were placed on the cortex at the marginal circumvolution.

After



surgery the animals were allowed a & 1 week recovery period. Each cat

was



used as its own control and the effects of oral administration of



zacatechichi extracts (HD-6) were compared to those of phencyclidine



(400 ug/kg i.m.), quipazine (10 mg/kg i.p.), ketamine (6 mg/kg i.m.)

and



SKF-10047 (3 mg/kg i.m.). These drugs are dissociative

psychodysleptics



and produce 6 cps wave-and-spike activity in cingulum recording in



addition to the characteristic hypersynchronic rhythm (Contreras at

al.,



1984). In each experiment, control recordings were taken in addition

to



t 60 min and + 120 min after drug administration.



Reaction Time and Time-lapse estimation in humans



Measurement of reaction time to a light flash and the ability to

calculate



fixed lapse times in humans allows the identification of hypnotic



compounds (Fernandez-Guardiola et al., 1972). Objective evaluations of



time perception modification by marihuana have been achieved with the



same technique (Fernandez-Cuardiola et al., 1974). From the

experiments



performed in cats it appeared that zacatechichi had hypnotic

properties.



Therefore, we chose this experimental paradigm to evaluate human

effects.



The study was performed in 5 healthy volunteers (3 women and 2 men.



ages 23-34) according to the procedure described by

Fernandez-Guardiola



et al. (1972, 1974). The subjects were informed about the experiment

and



the known effects of the plant and a written consent was obtained.



Capsules containing either a Calea extract (HD-1) or placebo were



administered 1 H before the task in a double-blind randomized design,



where neither the volunteers nor the evaluator knew which substance

had



been ingested. The first session did not involve the administration of

any



substance in order to habituate the subjects to the experimental



manipulations. Physiological responses recorded included EEG,



electromyogram, electrocardiogram, and galvanic akin response. All



sessions were done at the same time period (1700-1820 h). A complete



session consisted of alternated 10-min periods for reaction-time

evaluation



and 10-min periods for time-lapse estimation. In the reaction-time

periods.



the subjects were instructed to press a button with their dominant

hand as



soon as possible after a light wee dashed. Intervals between

consecutive



Bashes were of 10-s duration. In the following 10 min, alternating

with the



reaction-time periods, the subjects were asked to estimate the dash



intervals by pressing the button each time they thought the light

should



have been dashed. The entire test lasted 80 min. Analysis of variance

was



used to assess results between and within individuals, the protected

"t"



and Least Significant Difference tests were used in paired

comparisons.



Sleep recordings in humans



The conventional procedure for EEG recording of sleep (Rechtschaffen



and hales. 1968) was used in a similar double-blind randomized design



which. in this case, included a low dose of an active hypnotic drug



(diazepam, 25 mg orally). In order to standardize the nap session,

all



volunteers were asked to reduce their normal sleep time by 2 h the

night



before testing. The extract, diazepam or placebo capsule was ingested

1 H



prior to the recording session (1700-1900 h). The physiological

variables



recorded included respiratory and heart rates, number of nap episodes.



total time spent in wakefulness (W). in slow wave sleep stages (SWS

stages



I to IV) and in rapid-eye-movement sleep (REM) (Rechtschaffen and

Kales,



1968). The respiratory rate was recorded by means of a thermistor

located



in the nostril and connected to a polygraph amplifier measuring the

air



temperature in each inhalation-exhalation cycle. This is an indirect

method



which provides the frequency and amplitude of respiratory rate. Data



analyses were done by means of factorial analysis of variance (ANOVA).



For paired comparisons, the Student Newman-Keuls test was used.



Dream reports



The psychological effects of Calea extracts were evaluated by the



application of directed questionnaires and analysis of free reports of

the



subjective sensations and dreams in all human volunteers after the



reaction-time, nap sessions and the following night. Neither the

subjects.



the interviewer nor the evaluator knew whether the individual had

taken a



plant extract, diazepam, or placebo. The results were compared by the



binomial test.



Results and discussion



Behavioral toxicology in cats



Some minor behavioral changes were observed with low doses of both



extracts (HD-1 and HD-2). The cats stared for long periods of time and



30 min after the administration of the zacatechichi extracts

somnolence



and sleep were frequently observed. The HD-4 and HD-1O doses of the



hexane extract produced ataxia, bilateral contractions of nasal and



maxillar muscles, and stereotyped pendulum head movements. The HD-10



dose also induced salivation with vomiting occurring about 90 min

after



administration. The methanol extract produced ataxia (HD-4) and



compulsive grooming (HD-2). A common toxic effect of both extracts



(doses HD4 and HD-10) was retching and thick salivation.



It was not clear if these effects were elicited by direct central

nervous



system stimulation or in response to local gastric irritation caused

by



some bitter principle of the plant. This activity was noted by Giral

and



Ladabaum (1959) and may be responsible for the appetizer properties of

C.



zacatechichi. Stare and pendular head movements can be elicited by

several



psychoactive drugs such as toluene (Alcaraz et al., 1977; Contreras et

al.,



1977), quipazine (Sales et al.. 1966, 1968) and dopamine agonists

(Ernst.



1967). These effects are. therefore, not specific for any one of the

several



classes of psychoactive compounds. Moreover, staring and pendular head



movements may merely be indications of somnolence. In order to analyze



more precisely the neural effects, electrophysiological recordings

were



taken in free-moving cats.



EEG activity in cats



Both plant extracts produced similar EEG changes which were very



different from the other drugs used(Fig. 1). The hexane extract

induced 3



cps large voltage rhythms in the cortex, cingulum and septum while the



methanol extract provoked 8 slowing of the EEG rhythm more



predominant in subcortical structures. Somnolence was observed during



[Image]

[Image]

the appearance of these changes. A quantitative analysis of frequency

of



discharge in the cingulum was performed for all drugs tested (Fig. 2).

The



hexane extract produced only minor changes while the methanol extract



clearly decreased the frequency. This response is in contrast to the

known



psychodysleptic compounds which produce decreases of 6-7 cps

(Contreras:-



et al.. 1984).



The results of these experiments show that zacatechichi does not share



the neurophysiological effects of the dissociative psychodysleptics

and



only induces the behavioral and EEG signs of somnolence and sleep. The



apparent low toxicity of the plant in these experiments and its

history of



ethnobotanical use allowed us to ascertain the hypnotic potency,

dream-



inducing effects and other psychotropic properties in human beings.



Reaction time and time-lapse estimation in humans



No differences among the three treatments were found for human



rate, galvanic skin response and EEG recordings. With the methanol



[Image]



extract, short periods of sleep (stage I) usually appeared between

flash



intervals, and the subjects were awakened by the light. Both extracts



produced a statistically significant slowness of reaction-time (Fig.

3):



250 ms with placebo, 280 ms with hexane extract and 290 ms with



methanol extract (P < 0.01). Similarly, the IO-s lapse was

overestimated



with the zacatechichi extracts (Fig. 4). The methanol extract

increased



estimation by 3 s on average (P < 0.001). Both extracts increased



respiratory rate, but this change was not significantly different from



controls.



[Image]



The characteristic EEG slowness and the increased reaction times of



subjects treated with both extracts suggested that zacatechichi may



contain hypnotic compounds. Moreover, a larger effect was elicited by

the



methanol extract suggesting that the active compounds might be found

in



the polar fractions. An increase in time-lapse estimation and a weak



respiratory analeptic effects have been reported after marihuana



administration (Fernandez-Guardiola et al., 1974).



Sleep recordings in humans



Since the experiment just discussed did not allow an analysis of sleep



stages, the possibility of sleep and dream modifications by

zacatechichi



was tested in a nap study conducted in the same human volunteers.



Heart rate, total time and frequency of each stage of sleep did not



change with any treatment in comparison to placebo (Fig. 5). However.

it



was found that the frequency of W and SWS-IV stages were significantly



modified by treatments (W F(3,32)= 5.28, P < 0.01; SWS-IV F(3,32) =

3.35.



[Image]



P<0.05). Post-hoc paired comparisons showed that, upon onset of sleep,



the methanol extract and diazepam increased significantly the

frequency of



W stages (P < 0.05) when compared to placebo. In contrast, methanol



extract and diazepam decreased significantly (P < 0.05) the number of



SWS-IV stages. The other stages of sleep were not significantly

modified



by treatments. SWS-I and SWS-II showed a alight increase in comparison



to placebo and, in contrast, SWS-III and REM stages decreased

slightly.



Respiratory rate was significantly modified by treatments (F(3,400)=



79.92, P < 0.005). Paired comparisons showed that the methanol extract



increased (P < 0.05) when compared to all other treatments (Fig. 6).



Although this small increase may lack physiological relevance, it does



suggest a pharmacological effect upon respiratory rate.



These results support the idea that zacatechichi extracts,

particularly



the methanol fraction, contain compounds with activity equivalent to

sub-



hypnotic diazepam doses. Ingestion of the plant produces a light

hypnotic



state with a decrease of both deep slow-wave sleep and REM periods.

The



question of the ethnobotanical use and open trial reports of dream



enhancement was studied in the following section by the evaluation of



subjective reports during the sleep study.



[Image]



Dream reports



The quantitative results concerning hypnagogic imagery and dreams are



summarized in Table 1. Data from the reaction-time and the nap

sessions



end the following night were pooled. Significantly more dreams (P <

001,



in comparison to placebo) were reported after the methanol extract.



Similarly, the number of dreams reported during naps was significantly



higher following the administration of the plant extracts than with



diazepam (P < 0.01). It can be appreciated that, although not

significant,



the number of dreams reported was greater after the ingestion of Calea



extracts than placebo. A more detailed analysis of dream content is

shown



in Table 2. The number of subjects that did not remember dreaming was



always greater after placebo and diazepam administration and.

conversely,



the individuals that reported more than one dream per session were

always



the ones treated with zacatechichi extracts. The dreams reported by



subjects ingesting Calea extracts, were of a shorter content (measured

by



the number of lines written in the report). Spontaneous reports of



emotions and nightmares were not different among the four treatments.



Nevertheless, with the methanol extract more colors during dreaming

were



mentioned .



These results show that zacatechichi administration appears to enhance



the number and/or recollection of dreams during sleeping periods. The

data



are in agreement with the oneirogenic reputation of the plant among

the



Chontal Indians but stand in apparent contradiction to the EEG sleep-



study results. It is well known that dreaming activity is correlated

to the



REM or paradoxical phase of sleep (Aserinsky and Kleitman, 1953) and

it



could be expected that a compound that increases dream would also



[Image]



[Image]



increase REM stage frequency or duration, as it has been shown to

occur



with physostigmine (Sitaram et al., 1978). In contrast, zacatechichi



increases the stages of slow wave sleep and apparently decreases REM



sleep. This also occurs with low doses 12-10 mg) of diazepam (Harvey,



1982). Despite this similarity in EEG effects, diazepam decreases

dreaming



reports (Firth, 1974) while zacatechichi extracts enhances them. Such



discrepancy may be explained by the fact that dreaming and imagery are



not restricted to the REM episodes but also occur during slow wave

sleep



(SWS I and II) as lively hypnagogic images (Roffwarg et al., 1962).

Such



images are reported as brief dreams and are known to be enhanced by



marihuana (Hollister, 1971). All this suggests that Calea zacatechichi



induces episodes of lively hypnagogic imagery during SWS stage I of

sleep,



a psychophysiological effect that would be the basis of the

ethnobotanical



use of the plant as an oneirogenic and oneiromantic agent.



Acknowledgments



The authors wish to express their gratitude to Dr. Alfredo Ortega for



advice in the preparation of the plant extracts.



References



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Subject: Re: Psychopharmacology of Calea zacatechichi A Dream Plant

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 2 Apr 1998 06:00:01 -0700

--------

Basically, the Mexican folklore for the plant is this:



In low doses, it is an appetite stimulant.

High doses give you indigestion and may make you vomit.



In appropriate doses (whole herb  - I don't know why they were

testing two different extracts) it makes you sleepy and you

recall more dreams and more vivid dreams.  It's uncertain whether

you actually have more, but you certainly recall more.



And, it's not the typical "high" inducer.  You have to be asleep

to feel the effects.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: seeking herbs to prevent miscarriages

From: Sienna@SBLOCKWildfieldStudios.com (Sienna Wildfield)

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 03:15:18 GMT

--------

I am looking for more information concerning herbal remedies to help

reduce miscarraiges for a mother of one, who has been unable to carry

a second child to full term.  



I have recommended a blend of red raspberry, squaw vine, cramp bark,

dandelion and black haw.  Does anyone know of futher info.?



Remove SBLOCK to reply by e-mail.



http://wildfield.home.ml.org







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Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: Sienna@SBLOCKWildfieldStudios.com (Sienna Wildfield)

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 03:56:12 GMT

--------

I recommend you have someone point out what it looks like, and wild

craft it while you are camping.  It's great stuff!



"Randall Jordan" <rjordan2@maine.rr.com> wrote:



>I am interested in harvesting sphagnum moss for the purpose of diapering on

>camping trips.  I understand that this moss in antiseptic in nature,

>absorbent and ecologically sound.  Please reply if anyone knows of when and

>where to get moss.













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Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: Andy McMullen <jamcmullen@zetnet.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 15:32:14 +0100

--------

The message <6fohd8$jpo$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>

  from  dmcd@ntr.net contains these words: 









>     Just make sure you thoroughly dry the moss.. The mites (if there are

> any) wont stick around if its dry and they are no longer in its wet

> enviorment. Though I have heard of mites on other mosses i've never heard of

> them on sphagnum since it is in such a wet enviorment. But who knows.. Just

> make sure you dry it...





This is sound advice if you are worried about the presence of mites 

and I doubt that your child would be happy anyway about the 

imposition of a large mass of wet moss around its nether regions.



I have analysed over 30m of peat cores spanning 3 000 years and the 

only mites that I have encountetered are those of the Acaridae, 

harmless vegetarians and usually < 1mm in length. Other beasties 

include rotifers, amoebae, diatoms, algae and the ubiquitous bacteria 

of course. Many of these (harmless) beasties will be destroyed by 

drying also but may encyst to become active once more following 

rewetting but their ability to survive in human faeces is questionable.



I would certainly recommend that you try out the Sphagnum, its 

certainly got a long history of use and my studies of ethnobotany 

(mostly mosses) show that our predecessors were aware of its many 

properties and I am sure that they would not have used it if there 

were dangers from harmful mites. More recently of course it was used 

extensivley as a field dressing in the World Wars. I think if you 

look at this fact and many other of its recent and ancient uses you 

may (if worried) put your mind at rest to its safety. 



Incidentally I have come across an unsourced reference to the fact 

that it contains penicillin, anyone know anything on this? 



While you are out walking when camping you might like to know that 

here in Scotland the delicate, red species found over peat (S. 

capillifolium/rubellum - choose your own taxonomy here) were used to 

relieve aching feet after a hard days labour. I must try it myself 

sometime - any cures for calloused feet please send me details!



All the best and enjoy your time away,



Andy

-- 

J. Andy McMullen

Bogologist and botanist

University of Southampton (Remote)

Aberdeenshire, Scotland









==========

Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date: 2 Apr 1998 17:50:16 GMT

--------

>>I have analysed over 30m of peat cores spanning 3 000 years and the 

only mites that I have encountetered are those of the Acaridae, 

harmless vegetarians and usually < 1mm in length. Other beastie



where were these samples from? <just curious> 





==========

Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: Andy McMullen <jamcmullen@zetnet.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 23:21:48 +0100

--------

The message <1998040217501601.MAA27470@ladder03.news.aol.com>

  from  sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93) contains these words: 





> >>I have analysed over 30m of peat cores spanning 3 000 years and the 

> only mites that I have encountetered are those of the Acaridae, 

> harmless vegetarians and usually < 1mm in length. Other beastie



> where were these samples from? <just curious>



The cores that I have personally studied were taken from ten bogs in 

northern England, Northern Ireland and southern Scotland, each of 

them three metres in length (and roughly three thousand years). 





Andy















==========

Subject: Re: Sphagnum moss

From: sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date: 4 Apr 1998 06:34:37 GMT

--------

>The cores that I have personally studied were taken from ten bogs in 

>northern England, Northern Ireland and southern Scotland, each of 

>them three metres in length (and roughly three thousand years).



I asked because the lil nasties we are referring to in the mosses are most

likely (in my experience which is minimal for certain) found in northamerican

mosses...



I remember (I think) reading that native americans dried the mosses to prevent

infestation of mites on their bodies

SilDra





==========

Subject: Re: Any herbs that will help ringing in ears?

From: Sienna@SBLOCKWildfieldStudios.com (Sienna Wildfield)

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 03:57:21 GMT

--------

Ginkgo is know to help.



"Esco Babatunde II" <worldco@earthlink.net> wrote:



>Try Ginger and Cayene Pepper and 

>Lecithin supplements .

>and write me back



>Esco Babatunde II

>Institute of Afrikan Holistic Medicine and Science











==========

Subject: Re: Herbs and Pregnancy

From: Sienna@SBLOCKWildfieldStudios.com (Sienna Wildfield)

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 04:03:44 GMT

--------

Sharon,



Here is a brief list of herbs to avoid during pregnancy;  however,

Evelyn's advice is right on:



Angelica - stimulates suppressed menstruation



Black Cohosh - uterine stimulant - mostly used during labor



Blue Cohosh - a stronger uterine stimulant



Borage oil - a uterine stimulant - use only during the last few days

of pregnancy



Comfrey



Dong Quai - may stimulate bleeding



Elder - do not use during pregnancy or lactation



Fenugreek - uterine relaxant



Goldenseal - too powerful an antibiotic for the developing fetus



Henbane - highly toxic



Horsetail - too high in silica for the developing fetus



Licorice Root - can create water retention



Motherwort - stimulates suppressed menstruation



Mugwort - can be a uterine stimulant



Nutmeg - can cause miscarriage



Pennyroyal Leaf - stimulates uterine contractions (NOTE: Pennyroyal

essential oil should not be used by pregnant women at any time!)



Rue - strong expellant



Saffron - can cause miscarriage and other problems



Shepherd's Purse - used only for hemorrhaging during/after childbirth



Uva Ursi - removes too much blood sugar during pregnancy



Yarrow - uterine stimulant





Best of luck,

Sienna Wildfield



"The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net> wrote:





>Sharon R. Saroff wrote in message <35146511.22825988@enews.newsguy.com>...

>>Could someone provide me with a list of herbs that are dangerous or

>>not recommended for consumption when one is pregnant.

>>

>>Thanks

>>

>>Sharon



>Dear Sharon,



>You are really asking a lot here!   I would be VERY careful about herbs

>while pregnant.   The problem is that herbs have been used since time

>immemorial, but as for real scientific studies of their effects and side

>effects, and the effects in special situations such as pregnancy and

>lactation, are few and far between for the simple reason that drug companies

>usually conduct such studies, and they don't stand to make any money doing

>tests on plants as a public service for folk medicine which they may see as

>in conflict with their products anyway.



>I would consult a real herbalist, or buy a good book on medicinal uses of

>herbs.   I think Susun Weed has a book on herbs during pregnancy.   Look

>into it.  Meanwhile, unless you get good advice from an experienced

>herbalist, caution would be in order.



>Regards, and best wishes for you and your child

>Evelyn













==========

Subject: Re: Herbs and Pregnancy

From: summerivy@aol.com (Summer Ivy)

Date: 4 Apr 1998 17:33:41 GMT

--------

I have found Susun Weed's book, Wise Woman's Herbal for the Childbearing Years

to be the best book and the most comprehensive.  It is very well written and

the best laid out, so that everything she warns about is very close to the

front of the book.



However, that said, I find that she doesn't agree with everyone who has written

about pregnancy and herbs, and only being a regular gal like yourself, I find

myself confused about some issues.  Still, I think you're right to be concerned

first about what you should not take, as opposed to what you should.  For

example, more people than not warn against ginger (though I don't know

abstaining from it entirely is necessary).  This is a very hard call.



Good luck!





==========

Subject: Re: Herbs and Pregnancy

From: aj982@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kerry Eady)

Date: 4 Apr 1998 20:35:27 GMT

--------



Summer Ivy (summerivy@aol.com) writes:

> I have found Susun Weed's book, Wise Woman's Herbal for the Childbearing Years

> to be the best book and the most comprehensive.  It is very well written and

> the best laid out, so that everything she warns about is very close to the

> front of the book.

...

> example, more people than not warn against ginger (though I don't know

> abstaining from it entirely is necessary).  This is a very hard call.



My midwives recommend ginger as an antinausea tea during pregnancy

*unless* you have a history of miscarriage.  If that's an issue you should

avoid it during the first trimester.  A lot of prenatal vitamin supplements

contain ginger for it's anti nausea properties.  I like the Wise Woman's

Herbal and my midwives wholeheartedly recommended it too.  I found that

most herbals are overly cautious, maybe because they're ones written by

people cashing in on the current popularity of herbal alternatives.  I'd

trust a midwife, or someone devoted to a herbal path before I would an

author with not a whole lot of experience in the area.  I also really like

Hygeia A Woman's Herbal. 



Kerr



(Still looking for info on breastmilk friendly antidepressant herbs).













==========

Subject: Re: Herbs and Pregnancy

From: barkeep@brightok.net (barkeep)

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 03:22:31 GMT

--------

On 4 Apr 1998 17:33:41 GMT, summerivy@aol.com (Summer Ivy) wrote:



>For example, more people than not warn against ginger (though I don't know

>abstaining from it entirely is necessary).  This is a very hard call.



Are they saying that a woman should not eat pumpkin pie while

pregnant? (ginger)



Galen





==========

Subject: Herbs for ADD, ADHD, and Depression 

From: Bill Rose <zip2@bellsouth.net>

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 04:33:29 GMT

--------

Someone inquired re: Subject, so I'll share my answer with the group.

E-mail if you have questions.



As a first and second grader, our son was experiencing increasing

difficulty

focusing on his classwork and functioning in class activities.  The

teachers

and school principal had repeatedly mentioned getting him "tested".  By

the end

of his second year, the request was firm.  Desperate for a solution and

determined to find a solution other than Ritalin [the frequently

prescribed solution

for Attention Deficit Disorder (ADD) and Attention Deficit Hyperactive

Disorder

(ADHD)], we did some investigation of our own.  Tissue (hair) analysis

of

our son revealed a significant imbalance of some key minerals:  Calcium,



Magnesium, Zinc, and Manganese.  Low calcium levels are linked to

anxiety, dental

cavities, irritability, allergies, insomnia, and hyperactivity.  Low

levels of

magnesium are linked to hyperactivity, reduction in attention span, and

irritability.

Manganese is typically linked to low blood sugar levels.  Hauntingly,

these

unwanted behaviors and conditions were all exhibited by our son.  Since

we

have increased fresh foods and supplemented the deficiencies with Enrich

products

(Cal-Mag Chelate, Maxi-Chel, Boom Box, and Passionflower herb), we have

seen

amazing improvement in his insomnia, significant improvement in his

school

performance & his ability to focus (his classroom teacher indicated he

no

longer had the problem and asked us what we did), noticeable improvement

in his

allergy problems, and a reduction in the number of dental cavities --

over a period

of seven months.



Psychiatrists were experimenting with 6 different anti-depressants over

a

three year period on my wife Laurie. Cylert, Paxil, Buspar, Prozac,

Luvox, and

Dilantin were the favorites.  It was a toxic guessing game that was

leading

to increased irritability, depression, anxiety, and severe drowsiness.

It was

affecting our lives adversely and clouding over hers. She decided to try

the

same route as our son, with obtaining a tissue (hair) mineral analysis.

The

results:  calcium, copper, lithium, and strontium levels (literally) off

the

scale, 14 of the 18 nutrient minerals were low, and 12 of the 15

additional

minerals were either low, or non-existent.  The Female Pack, Maxi-Chel,

Digestive Enzymes, fiber supplements, Nature's Tea, Kelp, and St. John's



Wort (within 4 months) brought her to a fully functioning mother of two,

working

two jobs, and losing 20 pounds.  Mood swings and irritability are

significantly

reduced, and depression -- markedly reduced.



We chose Enrich because of the company's solid reputation, and the

product's

high quality, potency, and truth in labeling.  And we know others who

have

similar stories.



The St. John's Wort (Hypericum) can be taken with other herbs and

vitamins,

since it is organic (not a drug) and (therefore) has no side effects.  I

am

assuming the depression you spoke of is in the mild to serious range,

and

not severe or manic.











==========

Subject: Your move, ALGAVORE

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 04:49:50 GMT

--------

Cell Tech says they're cooperating with Oregon Dept. of

Agriculture on limiting the level of microcystins (powerful

cancer tumor promoters and DNA-damaging carcinogens) to

one microgram per gram dry weight of algae.



Is that for ALL their production, or just the part sold

in the State of Oregon?  A little birdie told me that

ODA doesn't have any jurisdiction on products sold out-of-

state.  Perhaps you could clear up that question, along with

all the other questions on your list.



If it's not anatoxin-a, then just what is it that's in the

algae which is responsible for the feelings of "energy"

reported by SBGA users?  The feelings that make it so

good for people WITHDRAWING from cocaine.  Or KICKING cocaine.

Gee, what could be in the algae that does that?











==========

Subject: Re: Your move, ALGAVORE

From: ALGAVORE@aol.com

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:44:47 -0600

--------

In article <eeeEqrs32.J5M@netcom.com>,

  eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:

>

> Cell Tech says they're cooperating with Oregon Dept. of

> Agriculture on limiting the level of microcystins (powerful

> cancer tumor promoters and DNA-damaging carcinogens) to

> one microgram per gram dry weight of algae.

>

> Is that for ALL their production, or just the part sold

> in the State of Oregon?  A little birdie told me that

> ODA doesn't have any jurisdiction on products sold out-of-

> state.  Perhaps you could clear up that question, along with

> all the other questions on your list.

>

> If it's not anatoxin-a, then just what is it that's in the

> algae which is responsible for the feelings of "energy"

> reported by SBGA users?  The feelings that make it so

> good for people WITHDRAWING from cocaine.  Or KICKING cocaine.

> Gee, what could be in the algae that does that?

>

>



Hi Mark,



It's my understanding that the Oregon Standards will be applied to all

products sold anywhere in the US or Canada - our markets.



Here is what Christian Drapeau says regarding safety:  (I will follow with

another response {for posting space limitation resons} called Update:

Microcystis - What the New Ruling Means for Cell Tech



Best regrds,



Patrick Babcock









Super Blue Green Algae: Safe or Not?



This information originally appeared in the Fall '97 and Winter '97

issue of New Leaf.



In the press and on the Internet, there has been a proliferation of

misinformation about Super Blue Green Algae and many questions raised

about its safety. In this article, Cell Tech's Director of Research and

Development, Christian Drapeau, addresses these allegations head on with

clear, complete answers for you to pass on to your downline.



Let's get right to the heart of the matter. Is Aphanizomenon flos-aquae

- the species of algae we eat in every capsule, tablet, powder, liquid

and BG Bite produced by Cell Tech - toxic?



No. For the past six years of rigorous testing, neurotoxicity has never

been observed in Klamath Lake.



What about the testing in the fifties and sixties that showed toxic

blooms of algae in Klamath Lake?



The first test was done on an algae sample taken in 1959 by two

scientists, H. Phinney arid his student C. Peek, who were in the area to

give a lecture on some of their work. This lecture was published in 1961

in a water publication, which I doubt is peer reviewed.



So that means they didn't have to show their method, or answer questions

about their findings-or even establish cause and effect. What was the

supposed effect, anyway?



Basically what happened was that they injected an algae sample into a

mouse and the mouse died But they were not toxicologists; they were

algologists, and when they sent the sample to Paul Gorham, who was an

expert in toxicology, it was determined that the toxicity came from

another type of algae that was present in the sample, which you may have

heard about, Microcystis. So the Aphanizomenon flos-aquae was not toxic.



But Microcystis was in the lake, right?



That's what we can infer. Today, Cell Tech constantly monitors Klamath

Lake for the presence of Microcystis, Anabaena and any other types of

toxic algae. We sample the lake daily and analyze it for species

composition when other species of algae are present in significant

amounts, we separate the undesirable species or simply do not use this

algae for consumption.



What about the other testing of the lake that "proved" toxicity?



The second sample was taken in the late sixties. J. Gentile injected an

algae sample into a mouse and the mouse died, and in 1971 he published

his so-called findings in a book chapter, which again was not reviewed

critically by peers. And again, this was only one mouse. You cannot,

with one animal in an uncontrolled experiment, determine if the animal

died of a specific toxin. Gentile himself later called his "experiment"

a scientific anecdote and agreed that it would have to be repeated and

done much more carefully to draw any particular conclusion from it.



But these are two cases where toxicity was actually found in the lake.



No, not scientifically proven. If thousands of testimonials about the

health benefits of algae do not constitute enough scientific evidence in

support of Super Blue Green Algae, one inaccurate and one anecdotal

report are not enough to reach any conclusion. And these are the only

two references in the scientific literature showing that there could be

toxicity. After six years of testing the lake ourselves and seeing no

neurotoxicity, I just don't see these two references as a significant

demonstration by any scientific standard.



So you do test for toxicity.



Yes, we perform chemical, immunological and biological assays approved

by the FDA.



One of the criticisms of Cell Tech's testing has been that, even though

you test to make sure the algae is not "lethal," you don't test for

sublethal levels, and we don't know what the long-term effects of "safe"

levels might be.



Our guidelines are not only below lethal levels, but they are within a

very cautious safety standard. For example, the lethal dose for

saxitoxin is around 1000 mcg and we test with a level of sensitivity of

3 mcg. So yes, we absolutely do test for sublethal levels.



And what about long-term effects?



As far as knowing what the long-term effect of sublethal doses of

neurotoxins might be, this is a nonissue simply because of what we know

about neurotoxins Neurotoxins interfere with the nervous system but are

washed out of the body quite quickly. So the question of long-term

effects is a moot point. But all this does not really matter anyway,

because neurotoxicity has never been seen in Klamath Lake. It is like

talking about the danger of a possible volcanic eruption in Mexico and

then being worried about going







There's been some flak lately about anatoxin-A, a cocaine-analog that

some people are now saying is what gives us the energy boost when we eat

SBGA.



First of all, the Klamath Lake strain of Aphanizomenon flos-aquae does

not produce anatoxin-A. However, since Anabaena flos-aquae does produce

it and we have some of this strain at times in the lake, too, we do test

for it and ensure that it is not present. Second, it is only

structurally like cocaine and not in any way functionally like it In

other words, the two are constructed similarly, but they have completely

different effects on the body. Cocaine acts on the noradrenergic system

in the brain and on pain sensation. Anatoxin-A, on the other hand,

affects cholinergic transmission - it interferes with muscle

contractions (To get technical, noradrenergic transmission is the

nervous transmission using noradrenaline, whereas cholinergic

transmission is the nervous transmission using acetylcholine, which is

the neurotransmitter at the neuromuscular junction between the nerve and

the muscles in your body.)



What about the supposed FDA Complaint and Injury Reports that have been

excerpted on the Internet? The ones that complain of cocaine-like

effects of eating the Algae?



There are no FDA reports complaining of cocaine-like effects of eating

the Algae. The existence of such "excerpts91 is no more than the

intellectual delusion of someone who doesn't have the background to

properly interpret the scientific literature. People may complain of

so-called negative effects while they are eating the Algae, but unless

there is scientific demonstration that Super Blue Green Algae causes any

of the effects, then we cannot accept them as true any more than we can

accept miraculous recovery as a consequence of eating algae.



Has there been scientific demonstration of any of the complaints?



To my knowledge there has not. And I find these alleged reports suspect

One of the "excerpts" which is posted on the Internet says, "The Oregon

Department of Agriculture cited Cell Tech for rat droppings ." and so on

Well, first of all, we would be the first ones to know if we'd been

cited, and we have no record of that. Second, I called the ODA just to

double-check, and they said they would never have made a comment about

"rat droppings" for the simple reason that they cannot identi~ a

dropping on sight as belonging to any particular animal, much less a rat

as opposed to a mouse or squirrel.



So this stuff is just made up?



It certainly appears so Although, much of the information about algae,

anatoxin-A, Microcystis, etc. available on the Internet is accurate,

most of the derogatory conclusions and insinuations about SBGA made by

people who



lack expertise in algology, toxicology and even simple biology are

inaccurate and misleading. It's important that people scrutinize

opinions offered by those with limited expertise and whose assumptions

would not withstand scientific peer review Simply quoting scientific

literature does not necessarily establish scientific "truth " Opinions

must be considered in the context of the available literature-and done

so with appropriate scientific background



What can Distributors, who aren't experts in these fields either, do to

feel confident about the safety of the Algae?



The easiest way would be to stay in touch with their upline and

downline, to talk with people who are eating the Algae and staying

perfectly healthy If they're interested, Distributors can review

"Quality and Safety of Super Blue Green Algae," which I wrote with

Brandt Gutermuth to demonstrate the purity and safety of the Algae. They

can get a copy of this document simply by asking for it when they place

their next order.



What are you doing now to ensure that even higher standards of safety

are met?



We continue to test every batch through independent laboratories with

expertise in toxicology and algology Every day, we test the Algae

several times for the presence of undesirable bacteria and

microorganisms, all of which are maintained below FDA Food Grade II

standards. The Oregon Department of Agriculture semiannually inspects

all of our facilities to ensure the Algae is processed according to

national food standards A flill pesticide analysis is conducted every

year on SBGA (twice a week in ~997, during harvest time), and there has

never been any detection of pesticides. We have been working for many

years with two top algologists and toxicologists who independently test

our product. They also work with us to design ways of removing

undesirable algae species and further purifying the algae. We've also

installed a new decanter, which has less to do with safety than with

purity, but it's a related topic. This decanter is a horizontal

centrifuge which removes sand, daphnia (microscopic animals) and other

particulates. It is a more sophisticated piece of machinery, which we've

added to the established screening process.



How does Cell Tech compare with the safety and purity procedures of

other algae companies?



Cell Tech is a member of the American Society of Quality Control. Our

quality control and quality assurance are the best in the algae

industry. And even though we aren't regulated by the FDA, we nonetheless

strive to exceed the FDA's requirements for food and pharmaceutical

industries. All of us at Cell Tech-and especially those of us in

Research and Development- consider quality and safety integral to the

business. Even in the face of extensive scientific testing, the health

and well-being of our consumers is the greatest testament to the

undeniable benefits of eating the Algae for a lifetime.







How Cell Tech Tests for Microalgal Toxins



To ensure that the Algae harvested by Cell Tech is safe, a number of

tests are performed according to a strict schedule to detect the

presence of any possible toxins. These include the following tests,

which are all performed by independent laboratories with expertise in

toxicology.



ELISA (enzyme-linked immunosorbent assay) e Used to detect Microcystis,

ELISA is among the most sensitive detection techniques available.



PPIA (protein phosphatase inhibition assay) . PPIA is used to determine

the level of hepatoxins, of which Microcystis is a specific type.



HPLC (high-performance liquid chromatography) . Another highly sensitive

and precise method, HPLC is used to detect trace amounts of organic

substances, including pheophorbides (which is a potentially toxic

product of chlorophyll).



Anticholinesterase Enzyme Assay - This is an FDA-approved test for

anatoxin-A, which can be produced by some Anabaenas and dinoflagellates.

Note: The strain of Aphanizomenon flos-quae from Klamath Lake has never

produced toxins.)



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Subject: Re: Your move, ALGAVORE

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:16:43 GMT

--------

In article <6g3l8e$oar$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <ALGAVORE@aol.com> wrote:

>In article <eeeEqrs32.J5M@netcom.com>,

>  eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:

>

>It's my understanding that the Oregon Standards will be applied to all

>products sold anywhere in the US or Canada - our markets.



Don't you also have a large market in Japan?  What happens

to the hot batches you don't sell in North America?



>Here is what Christian Drapeau says regarding safety:  (I will follow with

>another response {for posting space limitation resons} called Update:

>Microcystis - What the New Ruling Means for Cell Tech

>

>What about the other testing of the lake that "proved" toxicity?

>

>The second sample was taken in the late sixties. J. Gentile injected an

>algae sample into a mouse and the mouse died, and in 1971 he published

>his so-called findings in a book chapter, which again was not reviewed

>critically by peers. And again, this was only one mouse. You cannot,

>with one animal in an uncontrolled experiment, determine if the animal

>died of a specific toxin. Gentile himself later called his "experiment"

>a scientific anecdote and agreed that it would have to be repeated and

>done much more carefully to draw any particular conclusion from it.



What is your source of information for these comments

about Gentile's work?  In his original paper, he uses

the plural term "mice" when referring to his toxicity

findings.  Your consultant Anderson uses three mice per

batch when practicing this test on your production product,

according to a lab report I have that he sent to you

in 1994.  Perhaps he only uses one mouse today, or perhaps

he uses more.  How many mice should Gentile have used to

make certain the algae contained a neurotoxin?  If that

number is too few, then how many mice should you be using

to ensure that the product shipped to customers is not

lethally neurotoxic?



>One of the criticisms of Cell Tech's testing has been that, even though

>you test to make sure the algae is not "lethal," you don't test for

>sublethal levels, and we don't know what the long-term effects of "safe"

>levels might be.

>

>Our guidelines are not only below lethal levels, but they are within a

>very cautious safety standard. For example, the lethal dose for

>saxitoxin is around 1000 mcg and we test with a level of sensitivity of

>3 mcg. So yes, we absolutely do test for sublethal levels.



Nobody, to my knowledge, has ever questioned whether Cell Tech's

test for saxitoxins is adequately sensitive.  I believe it is.

The question about sub-lethal doses of neurotoxins was raised

in connection with anatoxin-a, a cocaine analog drug.  The mouse

bioassay (er, excuse me, "mice" bioassay) ensures that any level

of anatoxin-a present will not be quickly lethal.  But what about

lower levels, that could produce drug effects?



>What about the supposed FDA Complaint and Injury Reports that have been

>excerpted on the Internet? The ones that complain of cocaine-like

>effects of eating the Algae?

>

>There are no FDA reports complaining of cocaine-like effects of eating

>the Algae. The existence of such "excerpts91 is no more than the

>intellectual delusion of someone who doesn't have the background to

>properly interpret the scientific literature. People may complain of

>so-called negative effects while they are eating the Algae, but unless

>there is scientific demonstration that Super Blue Green Algae causes any

>of the effects, then we cannot accept them as true any more than we can

>accept miraculous recovery as a consequence of eating algae.



Doesn't have the background?  I have a degree from the University

of California (Berkeley campus) in Neurobiology, and I might

modestly claim to have done a little library research on this algae.

Certainly, I have discovered information that SBGA users didn't

know before I came along.  What's Drapeau's educational background?



>Has there been scientific demonstration of any of the complaints?

>

>To my knowledge there has not. And I find these alleged reports suspect

>One of the "excerpts" which is posted on the Internet says, "The Oregon

>Department of Agriculture cited Cell Tech for rat droppings ." and so on

>Well, first of all, we would be the first ones to know if we'd been

>cited, and we have no record of that. Second, I called the ODA just to

>double-check, and they said they would never have made a comment about

>"rat droppings" for the simple reason that they cannot identi~ a

>dropping on sight as belonging to any particular animal, much less a rat

>as opposed to a mouse or squirrel.



Oh, okay.  That's a reasonable complaint.  I don't have the

original source material for the statement about rat droppings,

so I'll delete that second-hand report from my file that has it.

If you find any other examples where my files are inaccurate

or unfair, please let me know and I'll correct them or explain

why they are not inaccurate or unfair.



>So this stuff is just made up?

>

>It certainly appears so Although, much of the information about algae,

>anatoxin-A, Microcystis, etc. available on the Internet is accurate,

>most of the derogatory conclusions and insinuations about SBGA made by

>people who



When it appears in the FDA consumer complaint file, it's

"just made up"?  What about my quotes from SBGA promotional

literature?  Are those "just made up", or are those

"personal testimonials"?



>lack expertise in algology, toxicology and even simple biology are

>inaccurate and misleading. It's important that people scrutinize

>opinions offered by those with limited expertise and whose assumptions

>would not withstand scientific peer review Simply quoting scientific

>literature does not necessarily establish scientific "truth " Opinions

>must be considered in the context of the available literature-and done

>so with appropriate scientific background



You could refute any hazy "opinions" with facts.  At one point,

Cell Tech claimed to have had typical manufacturing batches

of SBGA tested with the Stevens and Krieger protocol.  Almost

a year ago, I offered to stop posting my file about anatoxin-a

if I could see the original lab reports and if there was no

significant level of anatoxin-a in the algae.  Why did Cell Tech

not take up that offer?  For the price of a postage stamp, an

envelope, and a few copies through the Xerox machine, Cell Tech

could get that monkey off their back.  The offer still stands.







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Subject: Re: Your move, ALGAVORE

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 02:30:18 GMT

--------

In article <6g8sm6$b9e$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <ALGAVORE@aol.com> wrote:

>Hi Mark,

>

>I believe your points are well made and deserving of a respectful reply.

>

>I also regard your motives as honorable and honest and do not personally

>countenance any aspersions regarding them or your character or expertise.



Isn't that a violation of your distributor agreement?  :-)



>Although, as I have mentioned elsewhere, I have no official capacity with

>Cell Tech other than being an independent distributor, I will forward your

>remarks to Cell Tech and post any response I receive.

>

>(I have heard that Christian Drapeau is in Switzerland right now and turn

>around time on significant distributor correspondence to R&D has generally

>been several weeks in my experience.)



Why do you suppose that is?  If the facts were on the side

of Cell Tech, don't you think they'd be eager to refute me

at every turn?  If I were C. Drapeau, I'd jump right on

anything on the Internet critical of SBGA, if the facts

were on my side.



>Like many distributors, I have personally witnessed many ameliorations which

>in some cases seem to border on the miraculous.  In many other cases I have

>seen other significant health improvements.



Such as?  Are we talking about "energy", the immune system,

or what?



>Still, these all are admittedly anecdotal and certainly do not mitigate the

>value of scientific appraisal.



I don't ignore anecdotal reports.  I think some of them

are true.



>I believe we will be seeing the publication of more extensive documentation

>in the next year and it's my opinion that your legitimate queries have been a

>meaningful catalyst in that development.



"meaningful catalyst"?  Ha!  Wouldn't you say I've been the

mainspring that drives Cell Tech R&D?  :-)









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Subject: Re: Your move, ALGAVORE

From: ALGAVORE@aol.com

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:49:00 -0600

--------

In article <eeeEqrs32.J5M@netcom.com>,

  eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:

>

> Cell Tech says they're cooperating with Oregon Dept. of

> Agriculture on limiting the level of microcystins (powerful

> cancer tumor promoters and DNA-damaging carcinogens) to

> one microgram per gram dry weight of algae.

>

> Is that for ALL their production, or just the part sold

> in the State of Oregon?  A little birdie told me that

> ODA doesn't have any jurisdiction on products sold out-of-

> state.  Perhaps you could clear up that question, along with

> all the other questions on your list.

>

> If it's not anatoxin-a, then just what is it that's in the

> algae which is responsible for the feelings of "energy"

> reported by SBGA users?  The feelings that make it so

> good for people WITHDRAWING from cocaine.  Or KICKING cocaine.

> Gee, 

>

>



Hi Mark,



Here's the Update I referred to:



Sincerely,



Patrick Babcock



Update: Microcystis



What the New Ruling Means for Cell Tech



Imagine you are on vacation, walking along a footpath, admiring a lush

green meadow, soaking up the sun, rejuvenating yourself by breathing in

fresh, clean mountain air. With each breath you feel the stresses of

city life slipping away.



But then, out of a nearby stand of tall pines, a park ranger comes

bursting onto the scene He's obviously agitated and keeps shouting that

he's concerned about your safety what is it? A bear? A mountain lion9 A

rock slide? Killer bees?



"No, no" he shouts. "Steer clear! Head back! There is a highway four

miles west! Don't get any closer! You could be hit by a car any minute!"



What? To even the most experienced and careful camper, this would sound

suspect. You could walk another three miles or so-directly toward

traffic-before you might even hear a car, much less be hit by one. Of

course, you comply (after all, he is wearing that cool hat), but as you

walk away, no



Good question. And a good analogy for what has been happening lately

with regulation recently handed down by the Oregon Department of

Agriculture (ODA), based on a risk assessment performed by the Oregon

Health Division,



The new rule affects Cell Tech in the following way: The maximum amount

of microcystin (a toxin produced by the algae Microcystis, which is

sometimes present in Klamath Lake) allowable in any Super Blue Green

Algae product is one microgram per gram, or one part per million.

Therefore, Cell Tech must monitor its production to ensure that no

product with any amount of microcystin in excess of that is sold to a

consumer.



Simple, right? After all, we already have in place a system for

measuring the amount of the toxin (we've been monitoring it all along

and have always kept it within safe levels according to the most

up-to-date scientific data), and have been working for two years to

further develop a fall-safe technique for separating the troublemaker

altogether from the Algae harvested from the lake. As recently as 1997,

Cell Tech's testing procedure and quality control program were audited

by the ODA and defined as excellent



So what's all the fuss?



Setting aside all the misinformation circulating in the field about this

subject (which presents its own challenges, of course), the real

challenge is twofold:



The ruling is based on incomplete science, and it gives the impression

that Algae products with more than one part per million of microcystin

are unsafe Remember the walk along the meadow? Unfortunately, the ODA

has become like the park ranger. Fortunately, Cell Tech is going to do

more about this than just walk away. Yes, we will comply, but we're also

engaging the proper officials in a discussion and exploration about how

we can both come to a better understanding of what, exactly, is safe.



There are only four studies currently available to be examined when

making a determination of safe levels about microcystins And only one

takes into account the entire body of scientific literature on the

subject (slightly less than 300 scientific articles). By including all

the literature in this study (D. J. Schaeffer and P. B. Malpas, 1997),

its authors created a comprehensive risk assessment which reduced the

uncertainty associated with determining safe levels. In other words,

they tried to be as precise as possible. Their determination was that 15

pans per million was well within safe range. This is a far cry from the

more conservative one part per million mandated by the ODA.



It's important to understand a little bit about how safe levels are

determined to appreciate just how carefully the scientists calculated

this figure. First, a baseline is established by observing the effects

of a particular contaminant. The level at which there are no observable

adverse effects is called the



NOAEL. Then the NOAEL is multiplied by a margin of error (a fudge factor

to provide extra insurance against negative effects) and extrapolated to

a figure that can be converted to parts per million, and the resulting

number is the safe level. So, for example, in the Schaeffer and Malpas

risk assessment, the NOAEL was established as 500 micrograms per

kilogram (or a safe daily dose of 30,000 micrograms) - this is the level

at which nothing different from the control group could be observed-and

then, using the safety factor developed by the ODA, extrapolated to

arrive at 15 parts per million. The thinking is that if at the NOAEL

there are no observable effects) then surely at 15 pans per million we

are completely, unreservedly safe.



The trouble is that the ODA has chosen as the basis for its ruling a

study which did not include a review of the scientific literature, nor

does it take into consideration any of the other studies done on the

same subject. There are also a variety of other technical issues, such

as how the test animals (mice) were handled and evaluated, that make the

study less than ideal as the sole basis for regulation.



Regardless, Cell Tech will comply. Yet we are taking a stand on this

regulation because the implication that the Algae products have ever

been unsafe is simply not true. At this point, Christian Drapeau along

with leading scientists in the field have proposed to conduct a new

study designed to provide an even more accurate and reliable NOAEL, one

which would meet all the scientific criteria for a proper risk

assessment and which would include a review of all the scientific

literature. The regulation as it now stands is based on an incomplete

scientific investigation and is, therefore, premature. It's Cell Tech's

quest to bring the ranger in, sit him down by the campfire and chat

about how a walk in the meadow is not in any way like playing in traffic



Yet you can see why a governing agency, faced with only four studies to

consider, might simply choose to go with the one that has the smallest

number. It's the easiest thing to do.







Four Studies and What They Found

Safe Level of MicrocystinStudy, Name of InvestigatorNOAL*15 ppmSchaffer

and Malpas, 199730,000 mcg/day8.4 ppmFalconer et al., 199416,800 mcg/day

6 ppmFawell et al., 199412,000 mcg/day1 ppmFawell et al., 19942,400

mcg/day



The NOAEL has been multiplied by an average person's body weight (60 kg)

to arrive at a safe daily intake.



Cell Tech's next task is not only to calm the ranger, but to get the

word out to everyone else who has been misinformed. This means a

full-scale public relations job, one which will have to address some

statements made by the ODA that, albeit unintentionally, may cause some

people undue anxiety



One government document declared, "Mycrocystin is a concern around the

world ...", when in reality there are only three countries currently

reviewing the literature: Australia, England, and Canada, none of which

have adopted any sort of regulation. This kind of scientific interest

hardly makes the issue of microcystin a "worldwide concern."



Another paper reported that microcystin is a liver toxin which has

killed people in rural Brazil. what the paper does not carefully explain

is that all of those who died had severe kidney problems and were being

dialyzed with 100 liters of water per treatment which was badly

processed and hardly sanitary. It should be obvious that receiving water

contaminated with large amounts of microcystin intravenously is a lot

different from drinking it, much less eating the Algae which never

contains anywhere near these amounts of the toxin. flow could such a

leap of logic get made without critical analysis? Christian makes this

analogy; "Take peanut butter intravenously and you will die. Use

untreated water for dialysis and you will suffer ill effects. To use the

Brazil incident as a warning against the use of blue-green algae as a

food supplement is simply deceitful."



But what he finds really unacceptable are statements like one that ran

in the Klamath Falls Herald and News: "Consumers who ingest blue-green

algae products may face increased medical costs due to illness, and in

some cases loss of life.



"After 15 years of marketing these products," Christian firmly states,

"we don't have even one documented case of a health problem associated

with the consumption of Super Blue Green Algae. To say you may lose your

life is ridiculous



Because Cell Tech has been drawn into the political arena, the support

of key members of Congress has been sought and secured to facilitate

cooperation and a proper exchange of information. The good news is that

Cell Tech is staying in the game, helping to provide more scientific

information, attempting to educate the regulating agencies at the same

time.



"Safety is absolutely our first priority," Christian states emphatically

"That is the common ground for us and the Oregon Department of

Agriculture. We want rules and regulations ensuring safety that are

based on the best possible science."







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Subject: Re: Your move, ALGAVORE

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:39:32 GMT

--------

In article <6g3lgb$ojj$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,  <ALGAVORE@aol.com> wrote:

>

>scientific investigation and is, therefore, premature. It's Cell Tech's

>quest to bring the ranger in, sit him down by the campfire and chat

>about how a walk in the meadow is not in any way like playing in traffic



The park ranger analogy might not be so silly if there

were a threshold to the effect, i.e. if sub-lethal levels

of exposure really were harmless.  But that's not how

microcystins work.  They both initiate and promote cancer.

They damage the DNA and cause DNA unwinding.



It's like if the doctor recommends you don't let your

chiropractor give you more than 6 whole-spine X-rays

in a year, does that mean 5 X-rays is perfectly okay?

X-rays damage the DNA by introducing random errors in

the genetic code.  Some of these errors can cause cancer.

The controversy over radiation is that even low-dose

exposure presents a risk.  What literature can Cell Tech

cite that says low risk is no risk, when it comes to

microcystins?



And the risk isn't that low.  Cell Tech cites some figures

from studies that supposedly recommend allowing extremely high

exposures to microcystins.  But what Cell Tech doesn't

tell is that there are two risk levels involved.  One is

the level of exposure that is quickly lethal, that causes

rapid death by its ravaging effects on the liver.  The other

is the risk of getting cancer from the microcystins

from long-term, low-dose exposure.  This risk level is

far lower than the level which causes rapid death.  The

scientific literature supports a level of no more than

0.75 micrograms/day exposure to avoid cancer caused by

microcystins.



If Cell Tech is adhering to the 1 microgram per gram

dry weight of algae in all of their production, that's

only three capsules.  Cell Tech promotional literature

suggests using much higher levels, like 8 to 12 capsules,

if you feel like it.  With dosage recommendations like that,

I really am skeptical about whether Cell Tech cares about

what effects the algae will have on the consumer.











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Subject: Re: Your move, ALGAVORE

From: ALGAVORE@aol.com

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:54:54 -0600

--------

Hi Mark,



I believe your points are well made and deserving of a respectful reply.



I also regard your motives as honorable and honest and do not personally

countenance any aspersions regarding them or your character or expertise.



Although, as I have mentioned elsewhere, I have no official capacity with

Cell Tech other than being an independent distributor, I will forward your

remarks to Cell Tech and post any response I receive.



(I have heard that Christian Drapeau is in Switzerland right now and turn

around time on significant distributor correspondence to R&D has generally

been several weeks in my experience.)



Like many distributors, I have personally witnessed many ameliorations which

in some cases seem to border on the miraculous.  In many other cases I have

seen other significant health improvements.



Still, these all are admittedly anecdotal and certainly do not mitigate the

value of scientific appraisal.



I believe we will be seeing the publication of more extensive documentation

in the next year and it's my opinion that your legitimate queries have been a

meaningful catalyst in that development.



Best regards,



Patrick Babcock



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Subject: Arizona Ethnobotanical Syposium

From: hrbmoore@primenet.com (Michael Moore)

Date: 1 Apr 1998 22:43:00 -0700

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PLANT AMBASSADORS OF THE SOUTHWEST

MAY 1 & 2 1998, FLAGSTAFF ARIZONA



Arizona Ethnobotanical Research Association is hosting an ethnobotanical

symposium in Flagstaff AZ May 1 & 2 1998.   The event will begin Friday

night with a concert and will be followed by a day long symposium.



The concert will feature:

        R. Carlos Nakai, renowned Navajo-Ute Flutist,

        Walt Richardson, Arizona's Reggae King

        Singer/songwriter Joseph Langham with Wild Billy Kneebone



The concert begins at 8PM Friday May 1 at the Cline Library Auditorium on

the campus of Northern Arizona University.



Symposium speakers include:

        Margarita Kay, 

             author of Healing With Plants

        Michael Moore,

             author of Medicinal Plants of the Pacific West and other herbals

        Enrique Salmn,

             Director BACA Institute of Ethnobotany

        Miguel Vasquez,

             Co-ordinatorof Hopi Terrace Garden project

        Lucille Watahomigie,

              author of Ethnobotany of the Hualapai



The symposium will be held Saturday May 2, 9AM to 5:30 PM at Flagstaff City

Hall.



Cost for the concert is $12 at the door.

Cost for the symposium is  $30 with advance registration (by April 17) $40

after April 17

Students receive a $10 discount.



For more information and to register contact:

        AERA    at  aera@primenet.com



OR

        Phyllis Hogan

        107 N. San Francisco St. Suite #1

        Flagstaff, AZ  86001

        520/773-0769 or 774-2884



Michael Moore (hrbmoore@primenet.com)



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

teaching and clinical manuals, over 1,000 medicinal plant 

images and class announcements can be obtained at my web site.





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Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: pmccabe770@aol.com (PMccabe770)

Date: 2 Apr 1998 16:55:20 GMT

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GREETINGS! I HAVE definitely noticed fatigue, hypersensitivity to the sun, and

occasional rashes......from taking the SJW for the past seven

months.......Interesting!





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Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: "Jeff &or Kathy Brown" <JJEFFBROWN@prodigy.net>

Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 12:35:45 -0800

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Have you been taking St. John's Wort continuously for 7mo. without a break?

If you have, I would suggest only taking it 4days on and 3days off.  This

herb can be toxic when taken in excess.









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Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: mk95528@cyberramp.net (Margie's Plant Clip Art)

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 03:06:09 GMT

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On 29 Mar 1998 18:54:17 GMT, vivacafe@aol.com (Vivacafe) wrote:



>I've been taking SJW for almost a year.  I'm wondering if the fatigue I've been

>experiencing is a side effect.  Has anyone else noticed a connection between

>SJW and fatigue?

Here is a write-up from various old books to look over and have for

your research if you want, maybe something here can help you out.



Margie

Rare books/Plant Clip Art



 

Saint John's Wort

Greek Genus (Hypericum perforatum) means "above an icon" 



This plant grows as high as 2 feet tall and can be found everywhere it

can serve a purpose as a land healer. Many confuse this plant with

(Mugwort (Artemisia vulgaris), as this used to be called Saint John's

Plant).

It was introduced into The United States very early (?) from Europe.

The plant was once used by black witches of long past to poison

cattle.

The beginnings follow back to Pagan Sun Worshipers literature of

antiquity. The herb blooms at the summer solstice with a sunbright

yellow flower. Geoffrey Grigson states "Magically, in white majic,

rather than black, one of the most famous of European plants and one

of the cheif herbs of St. John the Babtist". 

Under the magical value of the plant, the oil glands of this plant

produces an unusual red fluid on the day of August when he was

be-headed. This plant is supposed to have its most alluring properties

if gathered before St. John's Day 

John The Babtist's birth June 24 made this plant convert to its

present Christianity conversions (starting in the 18th Century). The

Christians began placing the herb in doorways to repel Demons. This

same custom is also rooted into the Pagan beliefs from the very

beginnings. Christian Priests also used this herb to cast away evil.

As then, today herbalists use this herb in connotations for things as

suppressed menustration, Astringent, wounds, Tuberculosis and other

respitory problems, antidepressent, etc.. The properties today claim

the benifits because of the tannin, dyes and oils.

The plant has been known to cause skin problems.

Also look for others  (Hypericum punctatum),  (H. aureum).



Year 1858 Botany Book on CD- Order Hypericaceae



Elodea

Marsh S.



Ascyrum

ST. Peter's



Hypericum

Corymbed S. - H. corymbosum

Small S. - H. mutilum

Canada S. - H. canadense

Pine-Weed S. - H. sarothra

Great S. - H. pyramidatum

Shrubby S. - H. prolificum

Naked Flowered S. - H. nudiflorum

Common S. - H. perforatum 



Other references to the plant in the antique books like the 1835

Herbal listed as; Class Polyadelphia, order Polyandria. Goulds Med

Dict states under Hypericum" The flowering tops of H. perforatum,

abundant in temperate climates. A long known and useful

remidy...........









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Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 21 Apr 1998 11:17:14 GMT

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X-No-Archive: yes

>> I've been taking SJW for almost a year.  I'm wondering if the fatigue I've

>been

>> experiencing is a side effect.  Has anyone else noticed a connection

>between

>> SJW and fatigue?

>> 

>SJW does make some people drowsy.



Switching more of your dosage towards the afternoon should help.  We switched

from one capsule am, one noon, one pm TO one am, two at bedtime, and that

eliminated drowsiness.





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Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 21 Apr 1998 11:38:52 GMT

--------

I have been taking SJW and have experienced fatigue.My thyroid is just fine.It

is one of the side effects for some people.It was suggested to me that I try

taking ginseng and damiana(sp?) with it to relieve the drowsiness.Here are some

links for you to check out.              http://www.altnature.com/links.htm#sjw

Have fun surfing! Marianne





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Subject: Re: Side-effects of St. Johns Wart?

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 21 Apr 1998 13:40:33 GMT

--------



Magda2 wrote in message <1998042111385200.HAA10877@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>I have been taking SJW and have experienced fatigue.My thyroid is just

fine.It

>is one of the side effects for some people.It was suggested to me that I

try

>taking ginseng and damiana(sp?) with it to relieve the drowsiness.Here are

some

>links for you to check out.

http://www.altnature.com/links.htm#sjw

>Have fun surfing! Marianne





I take the tincture which allows finer adjustment of dosage, and I always

take it with Gingko which seems to offset any tendency towards drowsiness.



Evelyn









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Subject: practitioners: Have you had any success  with herbs and or acupuncture for peripheral neuropathy?

From: westghost@hotmail.((((((com))))))) remove brackets(spam)

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:27:51 GMT

--------

Have you had any success  with herbs and or acupuncture for peripheral

neuropathy?



I am treating two patients...



1. 55 y.o male w/ Peripheral Neuropathy secondary to Churg-Strauss (a

small vessel vasculitis).

He has also developed pulmonary hypertension with RV pressure at 32. 

He presents with Kidney and Lung Deficiency.  Toxic Heat in Blood.

Blood Stagnation. Spleen 

Che Deficiency.

He has also developed pulmonary hypertension with RV pressure at 32. 



2.  35 y.o. male with  PN secondary to chemotherapy for Hodgkin's

Lymphoma.  Spleen

Chi Deficiency. Cold Phlegm.

Symptoms distinguished by tingling and numbness on tops of feet,

finger and toe pads. 



Thanking you in advance,



Linda

Northern California



Please EMAIL responses to westghost@hotmail((((((com))))))  

remove brackets,spam.









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Subject: Lupine

From: "Jeff &or Kathy Brown" <JJEFFBROWN@prodigy.net>

Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 11:45:19 -0800

--------

Does anyone have any success in growing lupine in the lower part of zone 5?

They grew beautifully in CO but having a hard time in KS.  Any suggestions

or comments?  Thanks











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Subject: Re: Lupine

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 19:04:15 -0500

--------

Jeff &or Kathy Brown wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have any success in growing lupine in the lower part of zone 5?

> They grew beautifully in CO but having a hard time in KS.  Any suggestions

> or comments?  Thanks





I grow monster lupine here in New York.  In fact, everything in my

garden grows to monstrous size. Must be that great fertilizer - compost!



However, every time I touch the lupine plant or cut down the dead stalks

of flowers, my skins gets very red and itchy and burns.  It goes away

after I wash a few times and put moisturizer on but I keep wondering why

this happens.  My boyfriend has the same reaction.  I thought maybe it

was something in the plant juices.  Does anyone know? Is this plant

poisonous?



Also, what my original thought was - besides being a beautiful plant -

what would you "use" lupine for?



Fidget





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Subject: Re: Lupine

From: Cynthia J Jackson <cjj@acsu.buffalo.edu>

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 18:40:00 -0500

--------





On Thu, 2 Apr 1998, Jeff &or Kathy Brown wrote:



> Does anyone have any success in growing lupine in the lower part of zone 5?

> They grew beautifully in CO but having a hard time in KS.  Any suggestions

> or comments?  Thanks

> 



	Lupine grows wild in the areas around Albany, New York, also in

the lower portion of Zone 5.  Some areas are even protected sites since

lupine attracts the Carner Blue butterfly.  Lupine has a wide growing 

range.  The National Audobon Society's Field Guide to North American 

Wildflowers mentions six different species in the U.S., including Texas

Bluebonnet (Lupinus subcarnosus). Is the species you grew in CO called 

Nebraska Lupine (Lupinus plattensis) ?  The Guide mentions

that the growing range for this variety is Nebraska, Wyoming and Colorado.  

If this is the same species you are trying to grow in Kansas maybe you are

having difficulties because it may not be as well- adapted to soil/climatic 

conditions in this area ?  Maybe you could try a different species.  The

variey of lupine in the Albany area seems to like open areas which are

somewhat dry, is this also true of the lupine you were growing ?    

	Hope this helps.  Feel free to e-mail me directly, as this subject

might be considered to be non-herb related (or is there a medicinal use to

lupine ?). 





Cindy











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Subject: "Raccoon Eyes"

From: abraxas@webtv.net

Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 15:22:11 -0500

--------

Can anyone suggest a herbal cure for these dark circles under my eyes.

As always thanks for any help in advance and not flaming me for being a

Webtver.  Tom   





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Subject: Re: "Raccoon Eyes"

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 2 Apr 1998 18:46:03 -0700

--------

abraxas@webtv.net wrote:



>Can anyone suggest a herbal cure for these dark circles under my eyes.



  Those can be genetic (no cure), and also sho up when you are

chronically under-rested (get more sleep, regular sleep, for the

rest of your life is possible) but are often called "allergy

shiners" because they are so often found in patients with

allergies.

  Get the allergies under control and the "raaccoon eyes" will

get less visible.  I take Echinacea, about 1/3 the usual dose,

DAILY, and my allergies are much less annoying than they would be

without the herb.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Tonic Teas ??

From: Kudzu@worldnet.att.net (Kudzu)

Date: Thu, 02 Apr 1998 21:16:07 GMT

--------

Can anyone tell me what I can expect from

using Ginseng or Astragalus Root teas as a

tonic?



I have never consumed anything that is supposed

to have a 'tonic effect', but have read just enough

about it to think that I may wish to try this.  Any

additional information would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks,



k.







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Subject: ADD  LIVING

From: "Chris Pipher" <capipher@ionet.net>

Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 20:45:48 -0600

--------

Read Only to understand a different ADD  situation.

Imagine being 38 years old and not know you have ADD.  You knew something

was going on but, not know what.  This happen to our lives.  My husband is a

successful business man.  But, completing things that are simple for you and

me was not possible for him.  As a child he would do everything he was ask

to do, personality wise you would not know he was even in the room.  Quiet,

Shy, No Opinion so to speak etc.  As an adult who has to make decisions on

the job everyday (repetitive things) is a can do along with being a very

high tech personality.  But, to have a personal conversation went like this.

Ask him a question they that he actually heard (because he is focusing on

himself or day dreaming) it would then take a week to get an answer.  He

would eat and drink anything that would give him a high (caffiene, sugars,

chocolate etc).  He is not overweight, nor drinks alcohol or smokes.

Exercises semi-regular and eats okay.   After, being diagnosed with ADD,

after several years of therapy I might add before the diagnosis. Reading the

book  "Driven to Distraction"  we had found an answer to assist in our

frustrations in our business and personal lives.  The medication "ADDERALL"

which was developed specifically for ADD.  Works great!  Our lives have

changed for the better. No kidding, the second day he was alert and fun.

So,  remember to help the ones that do not get the attention too!  Behavior

is the only barometer you have to measure an individuals needs, wants and

desires.  Also, the cry for Help, they know they are different but, thats

not a bad or a good thing.  You just deal with it as intelligently as

possible.  When something is identified you then can work with it to balance

it.   Like diabetes, high blood pressure etc.

.................But, We do not wish to stay medicated...............

We started with eating no processed foods   only  natural foods & aerobic

excerise.    Supplements:  Ginkgo/Gotu Kola, Zinc, Liq.Minerals, Calcium,

Magnesium, C, E, enzymes, Korean Ginsing,  B-complex, Acidopholus, lots of

natural teas.    These are all rotated and not given in the same day.  We

have dropped the medications  from 20mg   to   10mg  and still working at it

after  1 1/2 years.     Thanks for reading and take care of the earth and

everyone in it ..     Gods Speed  thru  life.



CAP











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Subject: Re: Where can I find Rhus toxin (Poison Ivy or Toxicodendron) extract?

From: lauriem519@aol.com (Lauriem519)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 02:50:16 GMT

--------

lauriem519@aol.com (Lauriem519) wrote:

>>>>'Ive read that Rhus toxin when applied to a wart may clear it, probably

>>through the body's immune response.  (Some leading edge dermatologists use

>>it, but not mine.)  Where can I find Rhus toxin in the US?  Health food

>>store, herb store, chemical supply company?

>>

>>Thanks in advance.



Callie,

Actually, I didn't write this.  I was just responding to whoever did.  I told

them the only Rhus toxin I had heard of was the very diluted homeopathic pills.

 I then asked if they thought it work to make a paste of that.  I had no idea,

just asking.  I am not sure how the thread got messed up.  I was wondering why

I was getting some strange e-mails about this thread.



Laurie





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Subject: Ma huang

From: "Barb Gaudreau" <'vineham@inorth.on.ca>

Date: Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:44:05 -0500

--------

Hello All

I have been taking Ma huang for a couple days and it seems to make me tired.

Has this happened to anyone else.  I heard that this herb will help you lose

weight and will give you energy.  Does anyone know of a herb for assisting

in weight lose that WORKS!!

thanks

BB









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Subject: Re: Ma huang

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 01:11:26 GMT

--------

On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:44:05 -0500, "Barb Gaudreau"

<'vineham@inorth.on.ca> wrote:



>Hello All

>I have been taking Ma huang for a couple days and it seems to make me tired.

>Has this happened to anyone else.  I heard that this herb will help you lose

>weight and will give you energy.  Does anyone know of a herb for assisting

>in weight lose that WORKS!!



Ma huang is also known as "chinese cocaine".  I'm not sure why it's

having an adverse effect on you, but I personally wouldn't recommend

you up the dosage...it can be a dangerous herb if not used properly.

I've found diet and exercise to be the most important things in losing

weight and staying healthy.  It's tough because a lot of times it

means a complete life change, but the results are well worth it.

The bad thing about taking "diet aids" and drinking the shakes is that

once you lose the weight and go back to your old eating habits the

weight returns, so learning to eat sensibly and exercise (in any

form...find something you enjoy doing.)  are basically the only way to

take excess weight off and keep it off.

bright blessings

bella

>thanks

>BB

>



-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





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Subject: Re: Ma huang

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 06:30:02 -0700

--------

"Barb Gaudreau" <'vineham@inorth.on.ca> wrote:



>Hello All

>I have been taking Ma huang for a couple days and it seems to make me tired.



>I heard that this herb will help you lose weight and will give you energy.

  The problem with "energizing" herbs is that all they can really

do is help you burn your stoed energy a bit faster.  They can't

pull energy out of nowhere.  Fat isn't in a burnable condition,

hence the tiredness.

  You have to increase the "energy factories" - the mitochondria

in your muscles - to lose weight and feel more energetic.  That

takes exercise, and about 30 days for your body to actually show

an increase in them.  Regular, mild, exercise will do it ... take

a half hour walk twice a day at a pace that is "brisk" for you,

but comfortable.  Keep it up for a couple months and you'll have

much more energy.



> Does anyone know of a herb for assisting in weight lose that WORKS!!

  If I did, I'd be RICH!  FILTHY RICH!

The cold, hard truth is this: it takes a decrease in your calory

consumption and an increase in your energy expenditure (less

food, more activity) and a permanent change in your lifestyle to

do the job.











Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Ma huang

From: chile-bud@inreach.com (Pan 'O Ram Ik)

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:08:37 GMT

--------

On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:44:05 -0500, "Barb Gaudreau"

<'vineham@inorth.on.ca> wrote:



>Hello All

>I have been taking Ma huang for a couple days and it seems to make me tired.

>Has this happened to anyone else.  I heard that this herb will help you lose

>weight and will give you energy. 

It is an important staple in Chinese herbal medicine.  I think most

western blends use far too much, and it can cause elevated heart rate

and blood pressure if you do.  I don't reccomend it as a single herb.



Rich





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Subject: Ma huang

From: wl-ski@gratisnet.com (WL Sakowski)

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 23:37:44 -0600 (GMT)

--------

 cb> Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:08:37 GMT

 cb> Subject: Re: Ma huang

 cb> From: chile-bud@inreach.com (Pan 'O Ram Ik)



 cb> On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:44:05 -0500, "Barb Gaudreau"

 cb> <'vineham@inorth.on.ca> wrote:



>>I have been taking Ma huang for a couple days and it seems

>>to make me tired. Has this happened to anyone else.  I

>>heard that this herb will help you lose weight and will

>>give you energy.



 cb> It is an important staple in Chinese herbal medicine.

 cb> I think most western blends use far too much, and it

 cb> can cause elevated heart rate and blood pressure if you

 cb> do.  I don't reccomend it as a single herb.



I have no opinion as to whether it is over used in western

blends ... possibly true.  I have taken it off and on for the

past  four years or more... began taking it in a weight control

combination,  and came to realize that it did much for my

asthma.  Now, it is something I take most every day (as I

have been able to quit  *all* prescription drugs used for

asthma!).  The medication that I took for asthma played

havock with my heart rate (it wasn't supposed to, but it did  :)

I experience none of the effects that you mention, nor do I

experience any of the possibilities that cb> suggests.  For me

it has been something that liberated me from a treatment that

was almost worse than the condition.  (Our daughter uses it

as well, as it is the best remedy she has found for her allergy

problems.)  Both of us are long-term allergy suffers.  She

chooses to continue to try to deal with anti-histamines... I, on

the other hand, gave them up!  They were killing me!  (Of course,

I have 25 years on her, so...   :)



A note on the Ma Huang:

I always caution anyone taking herbs to drink at least 8oz of filtered

water when taking any dried herbal... Also, I am hopeful that you

treated yourself to a thorough check-up before beginning anything

like a weight-loss program.  Being tired, very often, is a diagnostic

tool, that can lead a good diagnostician to a problem that could be

the source of a weight problem.  (Sometimes weight gain is due to

more than just a lack of exercise.)



cheers,

WL Sakowski







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Subject: Re: Ma huang

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 8 Apr 98 23:06:14 GMT

--------

WL Sakowski <wl-ski@gratisnet.com> wrote:

>I have no opinion as to whether it is over used in western

>blends ... possibly true.  I have taken it off and on for the

>past  four years or more... began taking it in a weight control

>combination,  and came to realize that it did much for my

>asthma.



>was almost worse than the condition.  (Our daughter uses it

>as well, as it is the best remedy she has found for her allergy

>problems.)  Both of us are long-term allergy suffers.  She





Not a surprise, since Ma Huang products are either ephedrine, and

essentially the same as Primatene, or sometimes pseudoephedrine,

basically the same as Sudafed.



I use it for the E/C/A stack, a homemade diet aid.

   http:www.wco.com/~dietman/ecastack.html

   http:www.wco.com/~dietman/ecastk2.html



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: Ma huang

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:50:00 GMT

--------

On Thu, 2 Apr 1998 22:44:05 -0500, "Barb Gaudreau"

<'vineham@inorth.on.ca> wrote:



>Hello All

<snip>

>  Does anyone know of a herb for assisting

>in weight lose that WORKS!!



Okay, here goes with the standard rant (those who have seen it before

can ignore it!)



Dieting Does NOT Work



All that happens when you diet is that you slow your metabolism down.

This makes your body more efficient at *storing* fat rather than

burning it, and ends up with you *gaining back* more weight than you

lost.  



So, the first thing to do in order to deal with any perceived "weight

problem" is to look hard at it and decide just who has the problem.

If your weight remains pretty much stable when you are not dieting,

and your body doesn't seem to be overstressed by things, then why

diet?  It may just be that you are meant to be the shape that you are.





If you are having health problems, *go and see your doctor or health

professional* before putting yourself on a diet.  It may be that you

have some underlying disorder which is affecting things.  Get your

doctor to check you out, a full checkup - if your blood pressure is

low, your cholesterol is low, your heart rate is low-normal, and your

thyroid gland is fully functional, you're fine.  You are meant to look

the way you look.  Rejoice in your individuality.



</rant>



Okay, I'll shut up now.



-- 







Meg, The Magpie

New email address from 1 April 1998

magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au





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Subject: Re: Ma huang

From: "Max A. Wood" <maxwood@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 19:52:26 -0500

--------

Barb,



I've been taking it for about 6 to 8 months.  When I first started, it was immediately before my weight room workout (3 times a week).  It worked wonders.  I did notice an uptick in energy, but more importantly I dropped about 5 pounds in 2 weeks.  Since then, I take it to boost my energy when I'm having a "bad day" plus I continue to take it prior to workouts.



I will normally take one pill at a time.  Two bounces me off the walls.



Good luck.



-- 

- Max

maxwood@mindspring.com

Barb Gaudreau <'vineham@inorth.on.ca> wrote in message <6g5ung$9fk@news.cancom.net>...

>Hello All

>I have been taking Ma huang for a couple days and it seems to make me tired.

>Has this happened to anyone else.  I heard that this herb will help you lose

>weight and will give you energy.  Does anyone know of a herb for assisting

>in weight lose that WORKS!!

>thanks

>BB

>

>







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Subject: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:17:55 GMT

--------



Hi all.  I'm currently going through a rather bad depressive patch,

and I was wondering if anybody knew of any herbs that could help deal

with it.  I am planning to undergo therapy at the same time, but I

basically want to deal with some of the symptoms listed below:



Lethargy

Finding it hard to wake up in the mornings

Short-Tempered

Weepy at odd occasions



I'm currently being treated for hypothyroidism, and I'm on

200micrograms of Thyroxine (thyroid hormone) per day.  I'm also on the

contraceptive "Pill" - brandname "Monofeme 28".  I'd really appreciate

any help anyone can give, and if it doesn't clash with my other

medication, all the better.



Thanks in advance...



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

New email address from 1 April 1998

magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au





==========

Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 05:18:01 -0700

--------

magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie) wrote:



>Hi all.  I'm currently going through a rather bad depressive patch,

>and I was wondering if anybody knew of any herbs that could help deal

>with it.  I am planning to undergo therapy at the same time, but I

>basically want to deal with some of the symptoms listed below:

>

>Lethargy

>Finding it hard to wake up in the mornings

>Short-Tempered

>Weepy at odd occasions



The lethargy and mood swings may be due to the hormones not being

optimal for you.  Check with whoever prescribed them about that

possibility.  And are you getting enough exercise and sleep? 



A major mood elevator: Damiana (2-6 capsules a day).  It's not

going to put the medications out of whack.

  Melissa (lemon balm) and St. John's Wort also does well: I make

them into an infusion or tea.  The trick with the SJW is to buy

it in bulk, and pick a store that has herb with a lot of the

yellow-oeanfe flowers in it.  Dosage: for a pitcher of tea (5-7

days worth), put a heaping tablespoon of each into a paper coffe

filter, fill the pitcher with cold water and cover it.  Let it

sit in the refrigerator 24 hours.  You can add a bit of cinnamon

to enhance the spicy flavor.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: nico7mar@aol.com (NICO7MAR)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 16:39:13 GMT

--------

>

>Hi all.  I'm currently going through a rather bad depressive patch,

>and I was wondering if anybody knew of any herbs that could help deal

>with it. 



Hi Meg,



I'm posting this to the group because I thought it might help out others as

well.



I am also taking synthroid and birth control and I have found a great herbal

booster is St. Johns Wart.  It really picks me up when I'm blue.  I get it in

bulk and make my own capsules.  It saves lots of money when you do it that way.



Marilyn





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Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: barbara@airmail.net (Barbara Mathews Blanton)

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 16:58:37 GMT

--------

St. John's wart has been used in Europe for years.  It is a

prescription drugs there and prescribed more often than Prozac.  The

usual dose on the bottle is one cap three times a day of a

standardized preparation.  New studies have shown that some folks need

more than that and that it is safe to take up to three times that

much, according to my internist.  



If one has significant depression with suicidal ideation and other

major symptoms, it is important to seek medical help ASAP since

depression can be very dangerous.  Under those circumstances, I'd go

right to the prescription stuff under medical supervision. 



 However, if you can feel the blues creeping up during a period of

external or internal stress or if low level depression runs in your

family, trying SJW at the one cap three times a day level for several

months can be  a good idea.  After several weeks,  if the symptoms are

not receding, up the dose a bit.   I would continue SJW for a several

month or more trial.  If you decide to see if your depression has

moderated, slowly reduce the dose over a month or so and see if you

normal chemicals are working normally again.  If not, go back on SJW

and stay longer.  I don't know how long it is safe to take.



If at any time suicidal thinking is creeping in, get to a doc ASAP.

Significant depression can kill.  .   Although I am not a doc, I teach

psych/mental health and am taking SJW myself with good success.  Good

luck! Barbara



On 3 Apr 1998 16:39:13 GMT, nico7mar@aol.com (NICO7MAR) wrote:



>>

>>Hi all.  I'm currently going through a rather bad depressive patch,

>>and I was wondering if anybody knew of any herbs that could help deal

>>with it. 

>

>Hi Meg,

>

>I'm posting this to the group because I thought it might help out others as

>well.

>

>I am also taking synthroid and birth control and I have found a great herbal

>booster is St. Johns Wart.  It really picks me up when I'm blue.  I get it in

>bulk and make my own capsules.  It saves lots of money when you do it that way.

>

>Marilyn







==========

Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 17:50:48 GMT

--------

Talk to your doctor.  If you've just started that amount of meds, it

may take a few weeks to get up to working right.  If you've been on it

for some time, you may need an increase.  All the symptoms fit well

with thyroid being off kilter.  (as well as with other hormone

imbalances and probably other physical/emotional problems, but it

you've got a twonky thyroid, looking there first is a good idea)





On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:17:55 GMT, magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg,

The Magpie) wrote:



>

>Hi all.  I'm currently going through a rather bad depressive patch,

>and I was wondering if anybody knew of any herbs that could help deal

>with it.  I am planning to undergo therapy at the same time, but I

>basically want to deal with some of the symptoms listed below:

>

>Lethargy

>Finding it hard to wake up in the mornings

>Short-Tempered

>Weepy at odd occasions

>

>I'm currently being treated for hypothyroidism, and I'm on

>200micrograms of Thyroxine (thyroid hormone) per day.  I'm also on the

>contraceptive "Pill" - brandname "Monofeme 28".  I'd really appreciate

>any help anyone can give, and if it doesn't clash with my other

>medication, all the better.

>

>Thanks in advance...

>

>-- 

>

>Meg, The Magpie

>New email address from 1 April 1998

>magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





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Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 18:06:56 -0500

--------

The basic cause of depression has to be treated first. Depression can be due to external factors or an internal state of mind, or a combination. You need to figure out the underlying cause of the problem. Herbs themselves won't do the trick in solving underlying problems.



Here are some anti-depressive herbs. Damiana, Ginseng, Kola, Lady's Slipper, Lavender, Lime Blossom, Oats, Rosemary, Skullcap, Valerian and Vervain.

When depression is connected with a general debility of the whole body, affecting the nervous system, try this recipe:

Kola-- 2 parts

Damiana-- 1 part

Lavender-- 1 part

Oats-- 1 part

Rosemary-- 1 part

This should be drunk 3 times daily.



Where there isn't so much debility involved, try this recipe:

Kola-- 1 part

Lime Blossom-- 1 part

Skullcap-- 1 part

This should also be drunk 3 times a day. If a more powerful approach is needed, then you can add Valerian. Try the tea you choose over a period of two or three days to give them time to work.



If you don't like teas, try a mixture of these herbs:

Passion Flower

Valerian Root

Chamomile Flower

Hops Flowers

Catnip

Lavender Flower

Myrrh

Spearmint Leaves



From the symptoms you wrote in your post, I think you should look at diet change and discussing your symptoms with a qualified professional who can get you on a good wellness program.



Kay

 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: quester@sjm.infi.net (Harold Groot)

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 06:03:10 GMT

--------

>Here are some anti-depressive herbs. Damiana, Ginseng, Kola, Lady's =

>Slipper, Lavender, Lime Blossom, Oats, Rosemary, Skullcap, Valerian and =

>Vervain.



I'm getting confused - just a couple of days ago someone posted a

warning that Valerian can CAUSE depression with continued use.  

Now here you are posting that it is an ANTI-depressant.



Could you post some sources?







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Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 02:28:46 -0400

--------

Harold Groot wrote:

> 

> >Here are some anti-depressive herbs. Damiana, Ginseng, Kola, Lady's =

> >Slipper, Lavender, Lime Blossom, Oats, Rosemary, Skullcap, Valerian and =

> >Vervain.

> 

> I'm getting confused - just a couple of days ago someone posted a

> warning that Valerian can CAUSE depression with continued use.

> Now here you are posting that it is an ANTI-depressant.

> 

> Could you post some sources?





According to the site I frequent most:



http://www.sequentialhealing.com/herbs-common-name.html



VALERIAN

Valeriana officinalis

Valeriana mexicana

Valeriana edulis



Actions: anodyne, antibacterial against Gram (+) bacteria,

antihypertensive, antipyretic, antispasmodic, antitumor, carminative,

circulatory stimulant, CNS depressant, expectorant, hypnotic, increases

and enhances metabolism, liver protectant, mild anodyne, nervine (CNS

depressant), perfume, relaxant, sedative, spasmolytic, spice, stomachic,

tranquilizer, vermifuge, vulnerary



Traditional use: acne, alcoholism, anxiety, arthritis, bruise,

cardiovascular disease, catarrh, chorea, common cold, convulsion, cough,

cramp, croup, dyspepsia, epilepsy, excitability, fatigue, fever,

flatulence, gastrointestinal colic of nervous origin, headache,

heartburn, hypertension, hypochondria, hysteria, indigestion, influenza,

insomnia, intestinal colic, intestinal parasites, lumbago, menoxenia,

migraine, muscle spasms, nervous tension, neurasthenia, numbness, pain,

painful menstruation, poor circulation, restlessness, rheumatic pain,

rheumatism, scarlet fever, stomachache, stress, stress hives, toothache,

ulcer, vomiting





CNS Depressant from the list of Actions (above):



CNS DEPRESSANT Affects nervous system and nerve function due to its

ability to tranquilize the mind, slow down voluntary actions, dull the

senses and may produce sleep in large doses.



Nervine (CNS Depressant) from the list of Actions (above):



NERVINE Affects nervous system and nerve function due to its ability to

soothe the nerves and alleviate irritation and stress.





So it seems it would act as more as a depressant - but if you were a

high-strung person, this could be a good thing me thinks.



Fidget





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Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: sinegreg@aol.com (Sinegreg)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 13:01:25 GMT

--------



Valerian is a sedative and paiinkiller.  It can also be addictive, if taken

frequently.  And one of the side effects of teh addictio can be depression.



It should not normally be a depressant, but niether is it an antidepressant. 



Some people suggest it for insomnia, which can certainly lead to depression. 

And getting regular sleep can be an antideppressant effect.  But Valerian does

not in and of it self lift you like some drugs/herbs'can.



Just my 2 cents



Sine





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Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 9 Apr 98 16:24:46 GMT

--------

Bob Tyndall <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca> wrote:

>

>A natural herbal formula, Neways Extramin is designed to help lift sagging

>spirits with powerful ingredients long revered in traditional Herbology. St.

>Johns Wort, historically used to help ease feelings of melancholy and

>depression, has been considered a simple Herbal supplement to help cope with

>emotional let down. Other ingredients include Kava Kava, Vitamin B6, and

>B12.



Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe B12 is known to be

useless when taken orally.  Also B6 has gotten a lot of publicity lately

about excesses causing problems.



I prefer to avoid combination OTC drugs (like cold medicines) and

combination herbal remedies.  I prefer to buy my active indgredients

separately, and I want to take only the items I need when I feel I need

them.  I don't want vitamins in my herbs interfering with the doses I've

selected in my vitamins.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 08:20:47 -0500

--------

Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants 

by Andrew Chevallier. The DK Publishing Inc. ISBN 0-7894-1067-2 

Holistic Herbal 

by David Hoffmann. Element Books. ISBN 1-85230-758-7 





-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Harold Groot wrote in message <352b1217.5756194@news.sjm.infi.net>...

>I'm getting confused - just a couple of days ago someone posted a

>warning that Valerian can CAUSE depression with continued use.  

>Now here you are posting that it is an ANTI-depressant.

>

>Could you post some sources?

>







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Subject: Re: Herbs to help deal with depression

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:57:08 GMT

--------

On Fri, 03 Apr 1998, magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie) wrote:



>Hi all.  I'm currently going through a rather bad depressive patch,

>and I was wondering if anybody knew of any herbs that could help deal

>with it.  



Here's my depression article:



There is a diet alternative. I personally know two people who have had

excellent success with giving up gluten. Both though had to also give up

dairy to get back to normal health. One was manic depressive. The other has

now set up the No-Milk mailing list. There are also many anecdotal reports

from Atkins dieters that moods have improved on that diet (they are on a

very low gluten diet). You can also write to me or Ron below with further

questions. The article below is from Ron's web site at:



  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/





From: Ron Hoggan <hogganr@cadvision.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Jun 1996 00:11:21 -0700 (MST)

Subject: Depression



There is a tremendous volume of information that ties depressive illness 

to gluten intolerance.



In 1976, Dr. Richard Mackarness published his book "NOT ALL IN THE MIND"

through Thorsons of Hammersmith, London, and San Francisco. He repeatedly 

demonstrates that food allergies, especially in gluten allergies or 

intolerance, behavioural and psychiatric symptoms are common. 



Cooke & Holmes, in their book, "COELIAC DISEASE" published by Churchill 

Livingstone, New York, 1984, they repeatedly cite depressive illness as 

THE MOST COMMON symptom of gluten intolerance. They also cite a study 

that demonstrated that newly diagnosed celiacs recover from their 

depressions much more quickly when their diets are supplemented with 

vitamin B6. Of course, malabsorption of fat soluble vitamins is legion in

gluten intolerance, but all vitamin absorption is a problem. The jejunal 

microvilli are damaged such that they do not absorb fats (and therefore 

fat soluble vitamins) very well, but B6, B12, and folic acid deficiencies 

that virtually always accompany gluten intolerance, are all involved in 

neurotransmission. 



Do not be misled. Because fats can be made from other foods, the 

malabsorption associated with gluten intolerance need not suggest an 

underweight condition in our calorie rich diets. 



Dr Kozlowska, in her article "Evaluation of Mental Status of Children 

with Malabsorption Syndrome After Long-Term Treatment" published in 

"PSYCHIATRIA POLSKA" 25/2 Mar/Apr. 1991, identified fully 71% of the 

children they studied as having psychiatric disturbances. 



In "PRINCIPLES OF ANATOMY AND PHYSIOLOGY" 6th ed. by Tortora & 

Anagnostakos, Harper & Row, New York, 1990, the authors make the very 

clear statement:

"you will also learn that certain disorders such as Parkinson's disease, 

Alzheimer's disease, depression, anxiety, and schizophrenia involve 

improperly functioning neurotransmitters."



Opioids, of course, will compete for endorphin receptors in the synapses, 

thus altering the neurotransmission at synapses where the opioids have 

attached.



Zioudrou et. al. in "Opioid Peptides Derived From Food Proteins" in 

"JOURNAL OF BIOLOGICAL CHEMISTRY" vol. 254, no. 7, page 2446, April 10, 

1979, clearly demonstrated that pepsin digests of wheat can form these 

opioids in the gut. 



Husby, et. al. in "Passage of Undegraded Dietary Antigen into the Blood 

of Healthy Adults" in "SCAND. JOURNAL OF IMMUNOLOGY" 22, 1985, 

demonstrate how these opioids pass through the intestinal wall, and into 

the bloodstream. 



Paul H. Black, in "Psychoneuroimmunology: Brain and Immunity" in 

SCIENTIFIC AMERICAN SCIENCE & MEDICINE, vol. 2, issue 6, p. 16, Nov-Dec, 

1995, has shown how opioids may enter the brain through the HPA axis, 

thereby bypassing the blood brain barrier. 



These are just two possible explanations for depression in celiac 

disease. There are many more. The point is that such depressions need to 

be treated with a gluten-free diet, and vitamin supplementation, where 

possible intravenously, because of poor absorption. 



 

I am not a doctor. I am just trying offer an alternative. Please consult 

a physician for advice pertinent to your situation. For instance, if her 

health permits, you might have her fast for three days. If there is an 

improvement, then the problem is quite likely the result of something she 

is eating. A physician would be able to determine if she is fit enough to 

safely undertake such a fast.  



I hope that is helpful,



Ron Hoggan



====================================



Date: Tue, 09 Jul 1996 21:36:55 -0700 (MST)

From: Ronald Hoggan <hogganr@cadvision.com>

Subject: Re: more on Depression and Gluten on autism list



Hi Don,

You might point the discussion at:

Saelid G, et. al. "Peptide-Containing Fractions in Depression" _Biol 

Psychiatry_ 1985;20: 245-256



This is a report that demonstrates a variation in urinary peptides in

psychotic depression. Nonetheless, it is difficult to argue that opioids

cannot be involved in depression, when this group reports what appear

to be the same peptides in the urine of depressed people, in greater 

quantity than normal. Bear in mind that psychotic depression often 

includes hallucinations.......which brings us back to LSD....

for what its worth, they make the point that the peptides can not be

clearly connected to diet. In fact, they seem to be of the opinion 

that the peptides are endogenous, and a peptidase insufficiency is at the

root of the problem. But isn't it fairly possible that exogenous peptides

with opioid activity, assuming increased intestinal permeability, might

offer an explanation for this? I think so. 



===========================



Date: Thu, 11 Jul 1996 21:21:48 -0700 (MST)

From: Ronald Hoggan <hogganr@cadvision.com>



BTW  here is a direct quote:

"Abnormal plasma amino acid concentrations have been found in children with

celiac disease and could be implicated in mood and behavioural disorders."



I'm sure you're aware that peptides are chains of amino acids. 



Goggins & Kelleher "Celiac Disease and Other nutrient Related Injuries to

the Gastrointestinal Tract" _The American Journal of Gastroenterology_

1994; 89(8): S2 -S13.



===========================



For more information on gluten intolerance this page points to all Net

resources:



  The Gluten-Free Page:  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



And this one:



  The No Milk Page:      http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/



Don (at panix com).





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Subject: Dong Quai Root

From: "Sands" <sands@cycor.ca>

Date: Fri, 3 Apr 1998 08:12:26 -0600

--------

Would appreciate any information on dosage and how long it will take to feel

the effects.  Also is it compatible with Wild Yam Root?



Thank you



sands@cycor.ca









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Subject: Bad Melatonin Expierience

From: Barb <bpaten@teknetwork.com>

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:26:24 -0600

--------

Hello all,



I am basically new to the herb group.  The reason I have begun looking into

herbs as an alternative is that I am taking so much Rx medication.



Having sleep difficulties my neuro recommended Melatonin.  It worked well to

improve my sleep but played some frightening tricks on me.  I would wake

suddenly in the night and not know where I was.  It would seem that the

room was filled with a haze and I'd sit up in bed and stare at the orange

glow my night light puts off trying to figure out what it was.  And I would

feel very frightened and anxious for a few seconds.  When I stopped taking

the Melatonin, all these side effects disappeared.



Now I'm thinking bad sleep is better than scarey sleep.



Barb



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Subject: Re: Bad Melatonin Expierience

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:09:50 GMT

--------

On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 08:26:24 -0600, Barb <bpaten@teknetwork.com>

wrote:

>I am basically new to the herb group.  The reason I have begun looking into

>herbs as an alternative is that I am taking so much Rx medication.



I started for basically the same reasons.  Plus I was beginning to

read where antibiotics were being so over prescribed that people were

becoming immune to them, and figured it best if I learned to take

better care of myself with natural alternatives.

>

>Having sleep difficulties my neuro recommended Melatonin.  It worked well to

>improve my sleep but played some frightening tricks on me.  I would wake

>suddenly in the night and not know where I was.  It would seem that the

>room was filled with a haze and I'd sit up in bed and stare at the orange

>glow my night light puts off trying to figure out what it was.  And I would

>feel very frightened and anxious for a few seconds.  When I stopped taking

>the Melatonin, all these side effects disappeared.

>Now I'm thinking bad sleep is better than scarey sleep.



Ugh, doesn't sound like a pleasant experience at all.  I tried it when

it first hit the market and had bad experiences also.  I decided it

wasn't worth it and looked into herbs instead.

One think I love is a nice cup of Celestial Seasonings  "Sleepytime

Tea".  It contains chamomile, so if you have severe allergies to

ragweed etc. you'll want to be very careful and avoid it.

Another herb you may want to try is Valarian.....although please do

some research as I don't use this one.  I had a tincture once and it's

really nasty tasting so I stick with the tea. <grin>

If I've had a particularly stressful day I'll take 2 (400 mg. each)

tablets of Kava Kava an hour before bedtime......a nice soak in the

tub seems to help also.....along with avoiding any type of caffeine

from noon on.

Here's to a restful sleep.....

bright blessings

bella

-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





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Subject: Re: Bad Melatonin Expierience

From: rdk34@aol.com (RDK34)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 01:13:20 GMT

--------

>Another herb you may want to try is Valarian.....



I take this and it has helped alot at times.  Basically I take it to relax

,more then to sleep.  Nothing seems to help me sleep except a drink before bed.

 I have tried everything.  Medications from the doctor make me feel funny, I

have so many alleries most other things I can not take.  It's been over a year

since I have had a real good nights sleep, except when I am sick or my

boyfriend has made me have a light alcoholic drink.



thanks 

tammy





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Subject: Re: Bad Melatonin Expierience

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 16:06:16 GMT

--------

Barb (bpaten@teknetwork.com) wrote:

:Hello all,

:

:I am basically new to the herb group.  The reason I have begun looking into

:herbs as an alternative is that I am taking so much Rx medication.

:

:Having sleep difficulties my neuro recommended Melatonin.  It worked well to

:improve my sleep but played some frightening tricks on me.  I would wake

:suddenly in the night and not know where I was.  It would seem that the

:room was filled with a haze and I'd sit up in bed and stare at the orange

:glow my night light puts off trying to figure out what it was.  And I would

:feel very frightened and anxious for a few seconds.  When I stopped taking

:the Melatonin, all these side effects disappeared.

:

:Now I'm thinking bad sleep is better than scarey sleep.

:

:Barb

:



I used to subscribe to a melatonin mailing list in which lots of people wrote

their anecdotal accounts about their experiences with melatonin.



Very often, those reporting strange and/or vivid dreams, or waking-up with a

start in the middle of the night would see those ocurrences abate by lowering

their dose.



Some were taking 3 or 4 mg, when it might be a good idea to start with 1/2 mg.

Nex





    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: Bad Melatonin Expierience

From: rdk34@aol.com (RDK34)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 01:17:50 GMT

--------

> but played some frightening tricks on me.  I would wake

>:suddenly in the night and not know where I was.  It would seem that the

>:room was filled with a haze and I'd sit up in bed and stare at the orange

>:glow my night light puts off trying to figure out what it was.  And I would

>:feel very frightened and anxious for a few seconds.  When I stopped taking

>:the Melatonin, all these side effects disappeared.



I have these type of dreams without the melatonin.  They are part  of my

trouble sleeping.



Thanks,

 Tammy Ann





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Subject: Re: Bad Melatonin Expierience

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 20:01:00 -0700

--------

Barb <bpaten@teknetwork.com> wrote:



>Having sleep difficulties my neuro recommended Melatonin.

(snip)

> When I stopped taking the Melatonin, all these side effects disappeared.

>

>Now I'm thinking bad sleep is better than scarey sleep.



There are several sleep-aiding herbs:

Chamomile, linden, and valerian are the easiest to find.    

  "Sleepytime" (the grocery store tea with the bear in his

nightgown on the box) has chamomile AND valerian ...it's a

moderate sleep inducer.

  "Tila" is the brand name of a Mexican tea made from Linden

flowers - very sleep inducing!  I find it in the KMART in a

hispanic neighborhood.

  Valerian is best taken as capsules: it STINKS as a tea.  Also a

fairly strong sleep enhancer.  Don't take it for more than a

couple of weeks, because it is a depressant.



 Home-made blend:  An ounce of Linden Flower, an ounce of

camomile, an ounce of Lemon Balm, and 1/4 ounce of cinammon

chunks (to kill the weedy taste of the linden).  Mix well and

make a tea of about a teaspoon in a cup of hot water.







Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Bad Melatonin Expierience

From: "D. Kyle" <d-kyle1@dlemail.itg.ti.com>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 15:27:23 -0600

--------

I've had trouble going to sleep and decided to try "Tension Tamer" by

Celestial Seasonings.  Two cups is too much for me, put me to sleep in

the middle of the day.  You can find it at a grocery store.







Deb





==========

Subject: Deodorant recipe

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:55:04 GMT

--------



This is a deodorant recipe that does not contain petroleum

derivatives.  It is cheap and for me, as effective as any commercial

one.



2 oz lemon juice

1 oz vodka

1/2 oz vegetable glycerin

1/2 oz water



Mix in spray bottle and shake well before use.



Add 10 or so drops of lemon (or other) oil for scent.

Add 10 or so drops of sage oil to increase action if needed.



Vegetable glycerin is available for about $3-4 at health

food stores (e.g., Now brand 4 oz, IMO the best).  It seems

to prevent irritation from the rest of the ingredients,

and adds a little thickness.  Can use extra 1/2 oz

water if don't have any or won't buy it.



This recipe can also be used as an air freshener.

Add more orange, lime, lemon, peppermint, etc, oil 

for scent,  30 drops or so.



Now oils are the best I have found for the money.

The inexpensive ones are usually about $4-5 per ounce

and I have always been pleased with the quality.



turf







==========

Subject: Extracting from roots

From: nico7mar@aol.com (NICO7MAR)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 17:55:50 GMT

--------

Hi,



Can anyone give me info on how to extract medicinal properties safely from the

roots?



Marilyn





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Subject: Re: Extracting from roots

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 20:03:00 -0700

--------

nico7mar@aol.com (NICO7MAR) wrote:



>Hi,

>

>Can anyone give me info on how to extract medicinal properties safely from the

>roots?

  Typically, you wash the root to get the dirt off, slice it

thinly to dry (unless you are extracting), and then grind it (or

chop it into fine chunks).

  From there you can put the finely ground root into capsules or

make teas, extracts, and infusions





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Extracting from roots

From: unixon_31@hotmail.com

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:02:14 -0700

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> 

> nico7mar@aol.com (NICO7MAR) wrote:

> 

> >Hi,

> >

> >Can anyone give me info on how to extract medicinal properties safely from the

> >roots?

>   Typically, you wash the root to get the dirt off, slice it

> thinly to dry (unless you are extracting), and then grind it (or

> chop it into fine chunks).

>   From there you can put the finely ground root into capsules or

> make teas, extracts, and infusions

> 

> Callie

> Callie @-sign writepage.com

> (the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

>  But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)



I have heard ways that extract with alcohol. This is supposed to extract

only the essence. How is it done?





==========

Subject: Re: Extracting from roots

From: Liz Hanson <liz@zylanid.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 22:44:13 +0100

--------

In article <352942D6.7C88@hotmail.com>, unixon_31@hotmail.com writes

>

>I have heard ways that extract with alcohol. 

>This is supposed to extract

>only the essence. How is it done?



I seem to remember a professional herbalist explaining that producing

alcohol tinctures from roots required a stronger alcohol than the general

public can obtain - she had an excise licence that allowed her to use pure

alcohol - the best we can do is vodka (I prefer white rum!) so we stick to

tinctures from flowers and leaves.  However my memory may be in error.

-- 

Liz Hanson





==========

Subject: Re:  Extracting from roots

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:51:18 -0500

--------

Snippage....



Unknown wrote:

 

> I have recently used garlic oil in my ears for the first time, and 

> have a few questions for any longterm users out there.

 

Since one capsule was excessive and had to be sopped up, try splitting

one capsule between both ears.  Or find a dropper bottle and decant a 

few capsules into it so as to be able to only use a drop or two at a

time.  [I use a garlic/mullein/St.John'sWort oil bought in a bottle]

 

> One night I punctured one of the capsules, and squeezed the contents

> into my left ear, where the tinnitus is always "furiously" worse.

> Within about 5 minutes I had an awful itching sensation in my ear,

> which within ten minutes was SO severe, I got up and removes as much 

> of the oil from my ear as possible, using q-tips.



It's rather easy to make the ears itch from a variety of stimuli.



> About 45 minutes later, I got severe sinus aches, especially on the 

> left side.  I presume some of the garlic oil actually created this

> impact....which surprised me as I have had no "allergy" symptoms in 

> over two years.  But I definitely had aching draining sinuses.



I would tend to attribute the ache to a rebound effect.  When I use

acupressure to drain my sinuses, it does hurt amazingly much.

 

> I took another capsule and inserted the contents in my right ear, 

> which did not get the ITCHY sensation until some 30 minutes later, 

> when I removed the oil, once again with q-tips.  With the right ear

> application, I noticed the taste of garlic oil in my throat about 

> ten minutes before I removed it.

 

> But, geeeeez:  the STENCH!!!!



Aaah, the delightful pungency of garlic.  ;)  How much garlic can I

insinuate into the cookpot before the unaccustomed masses complain?  

 

> How safe is garlic oil to use in the ears on a regular 

> "preventative") basis?



In most cases I generally don't hold with 'preventative use'.  You are

the only one who can determine what treatment interval keeps the

tinnitus at bay.  Whatever that regular interval is, I would consider 

garlic oil to be fairly far toward the safe end of the spectrum.



> HOW does one eradicate the stench????  (i.e., is it most wise to 

> simply wait it out, as opposed to using an OTC ear cleaner?)



You will get used to it.



> Any annecdotal experiences of your own that you'd care to share?  I 

> had been concerned about the outer ear being a good breeding ground 

> for anaerobic bacteria, so I'd been keeping my ears covered.  However, 

> about a week after doing this my husband became very concerned when 

> he noticed BRIGHT red dots beginning to form and expand --- which I 

> seriously do not believe to be due to an "allergic skin" reaction, so 

> we are both interested in the internal application of essential 

> oils....



The canal of the outer ear does not count as an internal application

unless you have some pathology such as a perforated eardrum.  As for

bacteria, I would not worry about this unless you had some other sign

of pathology such as drainage or odors - or a history of hyperceramen. 

[In which case auditory damping from blockage is more likely.]



My daughter wakes up occasionally with an earache [~every other month].

I put a couple of drops in the ear and by the time I have massaged it

in she is calmed enough to cuddle back to sleep.  Next morning, owie 

all gone.  Truly a miracle drug from the mommy viewpoint.  ;)



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Vegetarian Chili recipe

From: John Lustina <lustina@vow.com>

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 13:26:04 -0600

--------

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Subject: herbs that reduce testostrone?

From: j20333@aol.com (J20333)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 20:17:12 GMT

--------

hi im a young guy that has an extra amount of testrone that i wouldnt mind

getting rid of so if u know any herbs or minerals that will do the trick in

reducing sex drive let me know.      



thanks, j





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Subject: Re: herbs that reduce testostrone?

From: unixon_31@hotmail.com

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:15:08 -0700

--------

J20333 wrote:

> 

> hi im a young guy that has an extra amount of testrone that i wouldnt mind

> getting rid of so if u know any herbs or minerals that will do the trick in

> reducing sex drive let me know.

> 

> thanks, j



Please tell me when you know the answer. I am looking for the same

thing.

Try refine your question like this, " I am looking for herbs with mild

testosterone chemical that will compete for testosterone receptor sites

of cells with the more potent testosterone our body makes."



In the meantime, try stimulate your nipple. This causes a surge of

production of PROLACTIN, rise in prolactin suppress your testosterone.

But I think that it only works when you engage in some advanced

crossdressing ritual ( 3 TIMES A DAY )and SELF-hypnopsis.

Here is what I have heard.  

[1] Put on pantyhose (1 pair per leg)

[2] Wear on underwear ,so genital is exposed.

[3] Put on 1-pc DRESS,

[4] Roll some socks up to make 2 breasts ( use cotton or soft material)

[5] Lie on the bed and cover your self with blankets and pillows.

[6] If you are experiencing erection , count from 1 to 100 or lay

sideways to help loose the erection.

[7] Close your eyes and relax.

[8] Massage the breasts slowely in circular motion.

[9] As you massage ,mentally imagine yourself giving birth to new-born.

[10] As the feeling gets more intense, your body should start giving you

a surge of prolactin.



Check it out.

I still prefer doing this with herbs though.



KEEP IN TOUCH.



Bye





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Subject: Re: herbs that reduce testostrone?

From: cgriffin@mathworks.com

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 09:44:02 -0600

--------

In article <352945DC.2C7C@hotmail.com>,

  unixon_31@hotmail.com wrote:

>

> J20333 wrote:

> >

> > hi im a young guy that has an extra amount of testrone that i wouldnt mind

> > getting rid of so if u know any herbs or minerals that will do the trick

in

> > reducing sex drive let me know.

> >

> > thanks, j

>

...

> But I think that it only works when you engage in some advanced

> crossdressing ritual ( 3 TIMES A DAY )and SELF-hypnopsis.

> Here is what I have heard.

> [1] Put on pantyhose (1 pair per leg)

> [2] Wear on underwear ,so genital is exposed.

...



This is a lot of trouble to try to suppress the sex drive, when the

right herb will do just the trick.



My herb of choice for this application is the Ayurvedic herb Haritaki.

It works wonderfully.  Take a little Haritaki before bedtime and you'll

never have a wet dream!  If you take it consistently, you'll lose your

interest in Sex.  Whenever you stop taking it, your sex drive comes

back full force within a few days.



I've also heard that monks used to use Chaste Tree Berry for this as

well.  I can't vouch for that.



If you want your body to reach a state of permanent balance without the

continued use of herbs, then meditation and yoga are what you want.



Chris







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Subject: herbal intensives?

From: "Mr. Hat" <snotty45@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:59:10 -0500

--------

i would love to find a week-long (or less, or more i suppose) herbal

intensive happening during the last week of july--  it would have to be

suitable for relative beginners, i know some, but there's lots of need

for more...



someplace in new england would be ideal, but i'll consider something

_anywhere_.



please, please, please, if you know of anything...  it would help me so

much--i've been searching the web & not getting very far, there just

ain't a clearinghouse that lists herbal workshops...



thanks in advance,

kim

ksmith@mail.wesleyan.edu







==========

Subject: Moerman - urgent info

From: hej@xs4all.be

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 21:45:49 GMT

--------

Somebody very close to me has been diagnosed as being terminally ill

with cancer. She's refusing to accept the 'terminal". 

We need urgent info on the Moerman - diet, or other diets and

alternative therapies.

Info means adresses, phonenumbers, books, tips, hints, anything that

could help.



Counting on you guys and girls. Many thanks in advance.





==========

Subject: Re: Moerman - urgent info

From: sinegreg@aol.com (Sinegreg)

Date: 4 Apr 1998 14:53:13 GMT

--------



>Somebody very close to me has been diagnosed as being terminally ill

>with cancer. She's refusing to accept the 'terminal". 

>We need urgent info on the Moerman - diet, or other diets and

>alternative therapies.



ESSIAC  a Native Herbal Cancer Remedy



Cynthia Olsen/Dr. Jim Chan



Kali Press

Box 2169

Pagosa Springs, CO 81147-2169



Found it at Borders Bookstore...



Better to use fresh herbs where possible.



Lady Sine





==========

To: hej@xs4all.be

Subject: Re: Moerman - urgent info

From: gtwolke <gtwolke@slip.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 21:48:11 -0800

--------

hej@xs4all.be wrote:

> 

> Somebody very close to me has been diagnosed as being terminally ill

> with cancer. She's refusing to accept the 'terminal".

> We need urgent info on the Moerman - diet, or other diets and

> alternative therapies.

> Info means adresses, phonenumbers, books, tips, hints, anything that

> could help.

> 

> Counting on you guys and girls. Many thanks in advance.



There is a book called "Dr.Moerman's Anti-Cancer Diet" by

Ruth Jochems. I don't know if it's still in print. Published 1990 by

Avery publishing. You might try Amazon.



You might also check out http://www.naturalhealthconsult.com

Go to the cancer section and follow all the links for some good

ideas. Best of luck!



Gerry





==========

Subject: St John's Wort and Breastfeeding

From: aj982@FreeNet.Carleton.CA (Kerry Eady)

Date: 4 Apr 1998 00:54:51 GMT

--------



I suffered severe post partum depression with my first child and because I

was devoted to breastfeeding passed on the antidepressants like Zoloft and

Prozac until my son weaned himself.  



I do not want to go through that again.



Has anyone done studies on St John's Wort therapy and breastfeeding?



Are there any herbalists out there who've sucessfully treated postpartum

depression without compromising breastfeeding?

Thanks 



Kerr







==========

Subject: Sinus Headaches

From: knots@agate.net

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:02:16 -0600

--------

I would appreciate any information anyone has regarding their

experience with the use of herbs to help prevent sinus headaches.



Thank you.



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==========

Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 3 Apr 1998 20:04:02 -0700

--------

knots@agate.net wrote:



>I would appreciate any information anyone has regarding their

>experience with the use of herbs to help prevent sinus headaches.

  I take Echinacea, in daily small doses (about 1/3 the dose on

the bottle of capsules).  It has the effect of diminishing my

allergic response ... that in turn keeps me from getting the

blocked sinuses that give the headaches and infections.







Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 4 Apr 1998 14:21:57 GMT

--------



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <3528a18e.1350715@news.primenet.com>...

>knots@agate.net wrote:

>

>>I would appreciate any information anyone has regarding their

>>experience with the use of herbs to help prevent sinus headaches.

>  I take Echinacea, in daily small doses (about 1/3 the dose on

>the bottle of capsules).  It has the effect of diminishing my

>allergic response ... that in turn keeps me from getting the

>blocked sinuses that give the headaches and infections.

>

>





My favorite sinus advice came from Dr. Andrew Weil and also from other

sources as well.



12 drops Echinacea

12 drops Golden Seal

12 drops Astragalus

10 drops nettles.



put in water at bedtime and sip slowly.



Cut out milk products



spray with saline night and morning to rinse away dust and allergens









==========

Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches

From: "Perry D Haaland" <strategix@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:25:13 -0500

--------

I recommend a 50/50 combination of golden seal and stinging nettles in

tincture form  along with feverfew. You could take 1 dopper full of the

GS/SN mixture and 1 dropper of the feverfew as needed. Goldenseal will be

overstimulating if used to excess.









==========

Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 5 Apr 1998 14:38:17 GMT

--------



Perry D Haaland wrote in message <6g6tvb$uco$2@camel29.mindspring.com>...

>I recommend a 50/50 combination of golden seal and stinging nettles in

>tincture form  along with feverfew. You could take 1 dopper full of the

>GS/SN mixture and 1 dropper of the feverfew as needed. Goldenseal will be

>overstimulating if used to excess.

>

>

Hi Perry,



Yes, the golden seal will dry out and open the passages, and the nettles are

an antihistimine.   But if infection is present, the Echinacea and

Astragalus can help to bring it under control.



As for dealing with the reasons for the problems, that is why I recommended

the saline spray administered at the end of the day, to wash away allergenic

dust etc and also in the morning.    It was also recommended that dairy

products seem to aggravate the causes of the problem.



Regards,

Evelyn









==========

Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches

From: mk95528@cyberramp.net (Margie's Plant Clip Art)

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:46:46 GMT

--------

On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:02:16 -0600, knots@agate.net wrote:



>I would appreciate any information anyone has regarding their

>experience with the use of herbs to help prevent sinus headaches.

>

>Thank you.

>

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Consider using a sinus irrigator. It is simply a water pik with a

special attachment. This has been used for over a hundred years

because of the gravity flow info we found in an antique book. Anyone

wanting more info about the water pik way or the antique gravity flow

way, let me know. I also have a scanned .Gif picture of it available.



Margie

Margie's Rare Books and Plant Clip Art





==========

Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches

From: ross_nospam@together.net (Gary Ross)

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:01:11 GMT

--------

The simplest (and perhaps most effective) nasal irrigation device is a neti 

pot.  This is used in Ayurvedic medicine and is ancient.  It looks like an 

Alladin lamp.  The elongated spout will fit your nostril properly.  You fill 

it with about a cup of warm saline solution (simply a scant tsp. of salt in 

warm water).  Tip your head to one side and pour in one nostril and it flows 

with mucus and other debris out the other.  Simlpe, gentle, easy and very 

thorough.  Takes a few times to get the proper head tilt and to adjust to the 

feeling, but inexepesive and very effective.  Should be $15 - $20 at a good 

health food store.



Good luck,

Gary





In article <352f331a.9363504@newshost.cyberramp.net>, mk95528@cyberramp.net 

(Margie's Plant Clip Art) wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 19:02:16 -0600, knots@agate.net wrote:

>

>>I would appreciate any information anyone has regarding their

>>experience with the use of herbs to help prevent sinus headaches.

>>

>>Thank you.

>>

>>-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

>>http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

>

>Consider using a sinus irrigator. It is simply a water pik with a

>special attachment. This has been used for over a hundred years

>because of the gravity flow info we found in an antique book. Anyone

>wanting more info about the water pik way or the antique gravity flow

>way, let me know. I also have a scanned .Gif picture of it available.

>

>Margie

>Margie's Rare Books and Plant Clip Art





==========

Subject: Nutrition

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 17:14:46 -0800

--------

I have been really enjoying this NG but I am also interested in

locating a NG on Diet and Nutrition.  This is another area I am very

interested in and would like to learn more.



Thanks,



J9





==========

Subject: Antispammers going on "strike"

From: I.have.no@email.so.there.spammer

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 01:50:12 GMT

--------

Antispammers going on "strike" 

By Janet Kornblum

Staff Writer, CNET NEWS.COM

April 3, 1998, 5:05 a.m. PT 



Antispammers are mad as hell, and they're going on strike. 



A cadre of people who spend hours of their own time every day ridding

the Internet's bulletin boards of thousands of commercial

advertisements are tired of cleaning up after the Net's growing mess.

And starting today, they say they are not going to do it anymore. 



If the strike--expected to last a few weeks--works as planned, Usenet

newsgroups could be so flooded with spam that they will be virtually

unusable. 



The antispammers are hoping that problem will spur Internet service

providers and others who control the floodgates for newsgroups to take

some action against the steadily increasing tide of newsgroup spam. 



The people calling for the "moratorium" make up the same group of just

under a dozen antispammers who have used so-called Usenet Death

Penalties to force several ISPs to stop allowing their customers to

flood Usenet with spam. 



But the problem is a lot bigger than one or two ISPs, according to the

group. 



Antispammer Chris Lewis cited statistics showing just how clogged

Usenet has become with spam in a posting to

"news.admin.net-abuse.usenet" calling for the moratorium. 



Forty percent of all Usenet traffic is spam, he said. Another 40

percent of the traffic is composed of messages issued by the

antispammers to cancel the spam. That leaves only 20 percent of

traffic as non-spam-related. 



"The house is on fire," said Rick Buchanan, who spends anywhere from

one to four hours per day canceling the messages. "Spammers are trying

to burn Usenet." 



But, he added, "We're doing as much water damage putting out the fire

as the spammers. The cure is starting to become a problem in itself.

It's an arms race that's gotten out of hand and other solutions are

needed." 



Buchanan and others participating in the moratorium want ISPs to take

a more active role in stopping spam before it hits the newsgroups, by

using such methods as antispam filters. 



With so many people taking care of the problem for them, the ISPs have

had no incentive to do more to stop spam, Buchanan said. 



"We're hiding the problem," he said. "We're sweeping up their garbage.

We think they should see the heat. They should get the complaints.

They should do something about it." 



Buchanan added that with the exception of a few, the moratorium is

being backed by most of the major antispammers, who communicate

largely though newsgroups and email lists. 



"It's time to demonstrate in inarguable terms what Usenet is facing,

and force the hands of ISPs," Lewis wrote. "It's like trench warfare:

Years of moving the line back and forth a few yards, and what do we

have to show for it? A tremendous waste of resources and no

significant progress towards ending the war." 



Starting today, however, the war will escalate to a new level and

perhaps lead to results. "For an indefinite period after this date, no

spam cancels should be issued. You'll notice that we said 'indefinite

period.' This is because we don't want ISPs to implement short-term

solutions," he added. 



IF nothing else, the moratorium, "is certainly going to be

interesting," Buchanan said. But, he added, "if nothing happens, if

the system breaks down, we may just have to give up on it." 









==========

Subject: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: "Cassie" <cassie@risci.com>

Date: 4 Apr 1998 04:10:37 GMT

--------

Has anyone ever heard of this?  I have done some research and found it very

interesting.  I was wondering if anyone uses Bach's Remedies and would like

some feedback.



Thanks!





==========

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:05:44 -0800

--------

Cassie wrote:

> 

> Has anyone ever heard of this?  I have done some research and found it very

> interesting.  I was wondering if anyone uses Bach's Remedies and would like

> some feedback.

> 

> Thanks!



I use the Bach's Rescue Remedy with great results.  I always carry a

bottle around with me.  We travel out of state twice a year to visit

In-Laws.  I put the Rescue Remedy in our drinking water to make sure

every gets along.  It takes the tension out of the trip.  We travel with

4 boys ages 6 to 14, a dog along with my Husband and I.  I use it with

our animals whenever they have been stressed.  I have not used the

others but would love to take some classes on how to use them right.



J9





==========

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 4 Apr 1998 12:11:33 GMT

--------

I just took a book out at library on this.Does anyone out there have recipes on

how to make the flower remedies?    Marianne





==========

To: Magda2 <magda2@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:35:29 -0500

--------

I have followed the direction given by Deb Soule in her book The Roots 

of Healing, A Woman's Book of Herbs. She advises "Take clear glass 

bowls and tiny flower clipper set aside for making flower essences. 

Pour boiling water over the clippers and glass bowl to sterilize them 

before using them.



On a clear, sunny morning, go to the flower you wish to make an 

essence from. Spend time sitting with the flower and feel of listen 

for the flower's message to you. If this is new for you, practice 

sitting quietly with various flowers on a regular basis.



Carefully hold the bowl filled with room/air temperature spring water 

under the flowers you are gathering. I was taught to cut each flower 

without touching it with my fingers and let it fall  into the water. 

Let the wise woman in you guide you as to the length of time the 

flowers want to be infusing in the spring water. Some may be for a few 

hours and other may want to infuse for a twenty-four hour cycle. You 

may feel drawn to make a flower essence in the full-moon light or at 

specific seasonal transitions like the summer equinos.



When the finfusion process is completed, take the flowers out of the 

water using the clippers or a small plant stem.  Offer some of the 

infused spring water tot he plants the flowers came from.  Fill an 

amber-colored, sterilized glass jar halfway with the essence. Add the 

same amount of brandy that has been aged in oak (look on the label) as 

the amount of spring water in the jar for preservation purposes. Label 

and date this flower essence, which flower essence practitioners call 

the Mother Essence. This is the bottle used to make further dilutions, 

which is explained below. Store your essences in a special basket or 

place in your house."



To make a stock bottle: Take 7 drops of the Mother Essence with a 

sterilized glass dropper and add to a clean1/4, 1/2, or 1-ounce amber 

glass dropper bottle that contains half spring water and half brandy. 

Label and store properly. Stock bottles are used to make the personal 

remedy bottle, which is the dilution taken by a person or animal.



To make a personal remedy bottle: Tale 2-7 drops from each different 

stock flower essence bottle you wish to use and add to a sterilezed 

1-ounce amber glass dropper bottle that is nearly filled with spring 

water. Add 2 teaspoons of brandy, glycerine, or apple cider vinegar to 

the bottle as a preservative to preven t algae from growing.  Tap the 

bottle with your fingers 50-100 times to awaken the life force of the 

flower essence."



An excellent book on the qualities and portraits of sepcific flowers 

is Flower Essence Repertory by Patricia Kaminski and Richard Katz, 

published by the Flower Essence Society, Earth-Spirit, Inc., P.O. 

Box-459, Nevada City, CA 95959.



I hope this helps.



Rosemarie



I hope this helps.

Rosemarie





==========

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: kmm@[remove-this-part]neon.ingenia.ca

Date: 7 Apr 1998 21:07:00 -0700

--------

In article <3526D1D1.6461@agate.net>,

Rosemarie Dilernia  <knots@agate.net> wrote:

:On a clear, sunny morning, go to the flower you wish to make an 

:essence from. Spend time sitting with the flower and feel of listen 

[...]

:amber-colored, sterilized glass jar halfway with the essence. Add the 

:same amount of brandy that has been aged in oak (look on the label) as 



Eh, yeah. I suppose if I went and relaxed in the sun with some flowers and

then had a snootful of brandy, I'd feel a lot better too.



:I hope this helps.



I think it's sad that people are so desperate and gullible. I think it's

pathetic that people seem to be viewing this sort of thing as any more

useful to one's emotional well-being than literally stopping to smell the

roses. 





==========

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 07:29:12 GMT

--------

On 7 Apr 1998 21:07:00 -0700, kmm@[remove-this-part]neon.ingenia.ca

wrote:



<snips>

>Eh, yeah. I suppose if I went and relaxed in the sun with some flowers and

>then had a snootful of brandy, I'd feel a lot better too.

>

>

>I think it's sad that people are so desperate and gullible. I think it's

>pathetic that people seem to be viewing this sort of thing as any more

>useful to one's emotional well-being than literally stopping to smell the

>roses. 



Congratulations.  That's your view.  



However, before you get all evangelical and start  telling the rest of

us how we should be carrying on our lives, might I advise you to have

a look at the name of the ng?  And consider that Bach Flower Remedies

do fit into the "herbal" category of medicine?



If, on the other hand, you are just trolling, don't bother - but then,

I know you wouldn't anyway.



(Read the .sig, then flame me, hmm... >:-> )



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

Nice I can manage.  Polite I can manage.

Nice *and* polite - now you're pushing it!





==========

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: kmm@[remove-this-part]neon.ingenia.ca

Date: 9 Apr 1998 05:25:01 -0700

--------

In article <352b24d6.4008701@news.thornlietafe.wa.edu.au>,

Meg, The Magpie <magpie @thornlietafe.wa.edu.au> wrote:

:On 7 Apr 1998 21:07:00 -0700, kmm@[remove-this-part]neon.ingenia.ca

:wrote:

:>Eh, yeah. I suppose if I went and relaxed in the sun with some flowers and

:>then had a snootful of brandy, I'd feel a lot better too.

:>I think it's sad that people are so desperate and gullible. I think it's

:>pathetic that people seem to be viewing this sort of thing as any more

:>useful to one's emotional well-being than literally stopping to smell the

:>roses. 

:Congratulations.  That's your view.  



Which is why, as somebody else with apparently limited reading

comprehension skills found it necessary to point out, it is prefaced with

"I think."



:However, before you get all evangelical and start  telling the rest of

:us how we should be carrying on our lives, might I advise you to have

:a look at the name of the ng?  And consider that Bach Flower Remedies

:do fit into the "herbal" category of medicine?



Right, and the problem is that I fail to see where they fall into the

category of "medicine." Another poster to this thread has summed it up

quite well: regardless of how much reading one does on the topic, it is

near-impossible to come up with an explanation of why these things might

possibly work. 



Granted, the group also has `folklore' in its title, but.



:(Read the .sig, then flame me, hmm... >:-> )

:Meg, The Magpie

          ^^^^^^

What, you're a thief? I don't...



:Nice I can manage.  Polite I can manage.

:Nice *and* polite - now you're pushing it!



Uh, yeah, real cute.



Anyway, I don't see anything antagonistic about pointing out that it's sad

that people will spend money on what, for the best I can tell, is purely a

placebo effect. Like I said, go mess around in a garden and have a snifter

of brandy instead.



If anybody would like to post something that would boot me off in the

direction of studies proving me wrong, please do. But given how long

these things have been around, you have to figure that if the scientific

evidence existed, it'd be out there. Best I can tell, it isn't, and I have

yet to see _anything_ that even _slightly_ suggests these have any "real"

effect. 



This newsgroup is not normally so gullible, and a lot of untested/unproven

remedies are posted here only to get a response like the one I'm giving --

`save your money' -- and the only reason I can come up with with the

relative lack of questioning about Bach stuff is that (again, this is

AFAIK) it's not harmful, even at high doses. It's still dreadfully

overpriced brandy with _outrageous_ claims and no real studies to back it

up.



For those of you saying `It works for me!' -- this is very nice, but

nobody, myself included, is immune to the placebo effect. I'm sure if I

figured I could ameliorate my own (remorse, indecisiveness, whatever) with

a flower essence, I'd be able to. The problem here is that it'd work just

as well if I took sugar pills, so long as I believed them to be flower

`remedies.' Or at least nobody has shown otherwise.



Finally, for those of you so immediately antagonistic to this, good god,

go take your Vervain Flower Remedy. If it's such wonderful stuff, it

should be very easy to defend on terms that aren't purely metaphysical.





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Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: ROBINT-BONE@webtv.net (ROBIN TERREBONNE)

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:34:35 -0500

--------

In response to the comment about smelling a fresh grown flower then

taking a sip of brandy, I am not here to criticize your opinion, but to

shed some light on it.  First of all, Bach's Flower Remedies have been

known to heal emotional ailments in humans because of their

concentration from a nature grown substance.  Most of us today are not

too familiar with the advantages that taking flower remedies can do for

us.  They are very useful in eliminating unwanted chemicals in our

bodies from our everyday exposed physical and emotional environment.

They are not a cure-all and are not guaranteed to help everyone, but

they do work for the people who believe in natural and energy healing.

Reason being is that they allow a "good" chemical to enter your body

helping you to expell "bad" ones opening a persons energy field to

positive emotional being.  They may seem pathetic to you, but to others

they are what help  people make it through there everyday lives.  So

before you ridicule someone else's beliefs in the earth natural way of

healing things, maybe you should find out a little more about the facts

for alternative medicine and the original way things are created, these

things not being made by man.  And for the brandy, brandy has a way of

preserving the chemical compound of the flower oil and gives it a little

better taste for people who take drops of this everyday. It is most

definetly not enough to make you feel like your drunk. If this has

helped you understand flower remedies, I am glad I can help. If not, you

should not even look into dicussion topics such as this one your only

showing ignorance.





==========

To: "kmm"@[remove-this-part]neon.ingenia.ca

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:46:24 -0700

--------

> 

> Eh, yeah. I suppose if I went and relaxed in the sun with some flowers and

> then had a snootful of brandy, I'd feel a lot better too.

 

> 

> I think it's sad that people are so desperate and gullible. I think it's

> pathetic that people seem to be viewing this sort of thing as any more

> useful to one's emotional well-being than literally stopping to smell the

> roses.



I had read about the Flower Remedies for years and also thought that it

was silly that such a thing could work. 



 It was not until my midwife recommended it to me that I finally used

it.  I ALWAYS carry a bottle of the Bach Flower Rescue Remedy with me at

all times now.  It works great with the children for any stressful

situation and it also works great on animals. 



 I have since found out that some of the Zoo's use it for transporting

their animals ( they have few injuries and deaths).  It only takes about

4 drops into your water.  I was concerned at first about the brandy in

it until I realized that it is very hard to be affected by so little.  





When we travel all of us take it.  I just place 4 drops into a 5 gallon

bottle of water then fill everyones water bottles from it.  I made the

mistake last year of thinking that we did not need it for the trip and

did not put into our drinking water.  What a mistake that was.  7 hours

in a car with 4 boys and a dog.



J9





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To: Cassie <cassie@risci.com>

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:39:36 -0500

--------

Deb Soule, herbalist and author writes:



"Every living flower contains its own unique vibrational pattern. A 

flower essen ce Embodies this vibrational pattern by sun-infusing 

flowers in spring water for four to 24 hours. Flower essences act as 

catalysts to reawaken the natural life force iwthin us. They support 

our abilities to transform limiting emotions, behaviors, and attitudes 

into more health-affirming ways of living and being."



Peace!



Rosemarie





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Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: "Stuart Hellis" <health4u@connect.ab.ca>

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:00:20 -0600

--------

The Bach Flower Remedy website is at http://www.bachcentre.com



Regards,



Health 4 U Inc.





Cassie wrote in message <01bd5f7e$60faa940$0300a8c0@cassie>...

>Has anyone ever heard of this?  I have done some research and found it very

>interesting.  I was wondering if anyone uses Bach's Remedies and would like

>some feedback.

>

>Thanks!









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Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker)

Date: 12 Apr 1998 04:28:05 GMT

--------

Bach Flower remedies come under the category of "magic" or, as some prefer to

spell it, "magick".  That's why there's no scientific explanation for why they

work, and why there will never be.



"Magick", in this sense (and translated into "scientific" terms), deals with

(yes) the placebo effect (which *can* be a powerful thing) and may be seen as a

way to *harness* that effect to the benefit of the user.  It also deals with

symbolism, ritual, and to some degree self-hypnosis and inner focus.  And

sometimes it helps people deal with situations to have at least an illusion of

control over their problems.  These *can* work to effect dramatic changes in

people IF the techniques are applied correctly - which they seldom are.  It

requires considerable effort and practice and will not generally be learned in

an afternoon or in reading just a book or two.



There's nothing wrong with using Bach Flower Rememdies if you want to try them,

and if you *do* get a beneficial effect from them, or from the making of them,

more power to you.  But they aren't likely to work for a skeptic or someone

looking for a "scientific" approach because they don't have the necessary

mind-set to derieve the benefit from them.  NOT because of some mystic

mumbo-jumbo but because the "props" (the BFR's) are a focus for concentration

and thought, and it is that thought process and working that is effecting the

change more than the stuff in the bottles.



Got that?



>---Broomstick----





==========

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:08:37 -0700

--------

Beesticker wrote:

> 

> Bach Flower remedies come under the category of "magic" or, as some prefer to  It also deals with symbolism, ritual, and to some degree self-hypnosis and inner focus.  And sometimes it helps people deal with situations to have at least an illusion of control over their problems.  These *can* work to effect dramatic changes in people IF the techniques are applied correctly - which they seldom are.  It requires considerable effort and practice and will not generally be learned in an afternoon or in reading just a book or two.

> 

> >---Broomstick----





I have never done any of this so called symbolism, ritual, or

self-hypnosis to use the Bach Flower remedies.  I have found that it

works better if the person does not know that they are have taken it. 

Most of the time I do not let my family know that I am using it on

them.  

J9





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Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: vwinter@aol.com (VWinter)

Date: 22 Apr 1998 04:19:48 GMT

--------

I often wondered how Dr Bach knew what plants were good for whatever ailment

that they were good for....then I read somewhere that he listened to the

individual plants divas or angels and was told by each angel what the plant was

able to heal or help...people are surrounded by angels...why not,

plants!...This solution may be true ....it may not....wouldn't it be nice to

think that Dr Bach was able to listen, discover, and share his findings with

the world at large in order to heal certain health conditions...just a thought

on what may of actually happened!!...



Susie





==========

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 23:53:30 GMT

--------

Dr. Bach, who developed the original Bach Flower Remedies, did so along

homeopathic principles, which is why the remedies are shaken vigorously, etc.,

in their making. Nora Weeks, a student of Bach, did a very nice little field

guide a few years back on what remedies were used by Bach and why they had the

properties they did. Dr. Bach's original essays which explain his thinking are

also still in print.



Bach definitely drew his ideas from the philosophy of Hahnemann, Hering, and

the other European homeopathic doctors, which is quite different from more

traditional herbal folklore.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine 

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com





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Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies???

From: "Fan Fair" <Nospam@thisplace.net>

Date: 18 Apr 1998 08:12:57 GMT

--------

Yep...turns you BLUE after awhile.  Makes you look like a corpse.

Carol



Aquarius1922@webtv.net wrote in article

<6h93rl$be9$1@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

> Collodiol Silver is not plant silver, the higher type, but the metal

> mineral, and will build up in the body to cause future problems... 

> 





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Subject: prevent miscarriage

From: Patrick Armstrong <pca@sonic.net>

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:17:31 -0800

--------

My doctor wants to give me synthetic progestrone in order to stop

miscarriages. Does anyone know of a herbal progestrone stimulant that I

can use safely so I don't have to take the synthetic stuff?  I was

thinking chaste berry and wild yam but I don't know how much, together

or at all.  Thanks







==========

Subject: Re: prevent miscarriage

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 04:55:22 GMT

--------



>

>My doctor wants to give me synthetic progestrone in order to stop

>miscarriages. Does anyone know of a herbal progestrone stimulant that I

>can use safely so I don't have to take the synthetic stuff?  I was

>thinking chaste berry and wild yam but I don't know how much, together

>or at all.  Thanks

>

I'd check into these two web sites, The Herb Research Foundation, 

http://www.herbs.org/index.html  and the best informational medicine 

site I know, http://cgi.pathfinder.com/drweil/



Good luck,

C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





==========

Subject: Re: prevent miscarriage

From: "Bob Tyndall" <Bobby-T@ultranet.ca>

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 08:17:26 -0800

--------

Hi



There is some good information at this site. It may help you make a

decision.



http://www.ultranet.ca/neways/progesteroneHormonalbalance.htm



Bob





Patrick Armstrong wrote in message <3525B45B.EDFCDD61@sonic.net>...

:My doctor wants to give me synthetic progestrone in order to stop

:miscarriages. Does anyone know of a herbal progestrone stimulant that I

:can use safely so I don't have to take the synthetic stuff?  I was

:thinking chaste berry and wild yam but I don't know how much, together

:or at all.  Thanks

:

:









==========

Subject: Re: prevent miscarriage

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 20:09:13 GMT

--------

as much as i blieve in herbal treatments ---- the amount of progesterone in the

case of preventing miscarriage has to be closely measured ---- something that

is very difficult to do with supplements, cremes, etc.



there are times when the safest course of action is to use modern medicine,

which does offer miracles from tiem tot ime





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







==========

Subject: Re: prevent miscarriage

From: shannon@yoga.com (Shannon Brophy)

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:00:37 GMT

--------

On Fri, 03 Apr 1998 20:17:31 -0800, Patrick Armstrong <pca@sonic.net>

wrote:



>My doctor wants to give me synthetic progestrone in order to stop

>miscarriages. Does anyone know of a herbal progestrone stimulant that I

>can use safely so I don't have to take the synthetic stuff?  I was

>thinking chaste berry and wild yam but I don't know how much, together

>or at all.  Thanks



Try wild yam tincture. It helps prevent miscarriage and is also good

for nausea. Take it until 12 weeks is up. is an alternative to

progestrone. I took it when pregnant and is widely considered safe.

Susun Weed's book mentions it.(Wise Woman Herbal for the Childbearing

Year)

Shannon

mom and midwife



_____________________________________________________________________

 For information on Yoga, Massage and Bodywork, and Natural Healing  

               or to browse Holistic Products to order

      visit the Roots & Wings Website at http://www.yoga.com





==========

Subject: Re: ATLANTEAN FORMULA REVEALED

From: "M.  LYONS" <THELIONSDEN@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 11:16:33 -0000

--------



BMosley288 wrote in message

<1998033105383000.AAA06456@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Material channeled by the Group Mind Andomus identifies an amazing, age

old,

>Atlantean formula.  This formula increases the light quotient within the

body

>to aid in rejuvinating the cells and accelerates the ascension process.

E-mail

>for information:  BMosley288@aol.com



Yeah! great stuff! I use it as a dessert topping and a floor wax too!









==========

Subject: Re: ATLANTEAN FORMULA REVEALED

From: bmosley288@aol.com (BMosley288)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 01:11:26 GMT

--------

The no BS formula:  A proprietary blend of concentrated herbal extract complex

containing, Horehound, Licorice, Alfalfa, Dandelion, Saw Palmetto, Damiana,

Echinacea, Milk-Thistle, Gentian, Thyme, Sarsaparilla, Chamomile, ginseng,

Spirulina, Ginkgo Biloba, Grape Seeds, Passion Flower, Polygala, Celery,

Angelica.   





==========

Subject: Re: ATLANTEAN FORMULA REVEALED

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 5 Apr 98 15:17:28 GMT

--------

BMosley288 <bmosley288@aol.com> wrote:

>The no BS formula:  A proprietary blend of concentrated herbal extract complex

>containing, Horehound, Licorice, Alfalfa, Dandelion, Saw Palmetto, Damiana,

>Echinacea, Milk-Thistle, Gentian, Thyme, Sarsaparilla, Chamomile, ginseng,

>Spirulina, Ginkgo Biloba, Grape Seeds, Passion Flower, Polygala, Celery,

>Angelica.   



a number of diuretics and laxatives in there.  This is supposed

to "increase your light quotient" 'cause you become lighter after

a few trips to the restroom?



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





==========

Subject: harmful to body?

From: Joseph Cotten <jhcotten@premier.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 07:54:17 -0600

--------

My wife would like to know if:



 anyone knows if the following is harmful in small quanities:

8-hydroxyquinoline, 8-hydroxyquinoline sulfate and isostearic acid,

ppg-2 methyl glucose either.







==========

Subject: insomnia

From: Murray Karr <streak@rogers.wave.ca>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:12:57 -0500

--------

Anybody got any idea of the best thing to use for chronic insomnia?







==========

Subject: Re: insomnia

From: darrinh@mci2000.com (Darrin)

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 14:39:08 GMT

--------

On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 09:12:57 -0500, Murray Karr

<streak@rogers.wave.ca> wrote:



>Anybody got any idea of the best thing to use for chronic insomnia?



I just started taking 5-HTP along with 1mg Melatonin, before bedtime.

So far, so good. I'm sleeping better, and not waking up in the

morning, wanting to "rip someone's head off."



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro







==========

Subject: Re: insomnia

From: rdk34@aol.com (RDK34)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 01:20:35 GMT

--------

Anyone have any suggestions besides melatonin or valarian, and not a tea.





Thanks 

Tammy Ann





==========

Subject: Re: insomnia

From: "Ken R Hall" <KENHALL@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:24:42 -0500

--------

I have been taking Chamomile (whole herb capsules) and have been resting

great for the past two months.



Since some people on this NG get spastic over anyone who tries to point

people towards a place where they can find such products, email me at

hmnx93c@prodigy.com and I will tell you where you can get it, IF you need a

source, (this is not a sales pitch).



In any case I hope you find it to help you as I did, because "no sleep is a

miserable way to spend the night".



Ken



RDK34 wrote in message <1998040501203501.UAA18887@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Anyone have any suggestions besides melatonin or valarian, and not a tea.

>

>

>Thanks

>Tammy Ann









==========

Subject: Re: insomnia

From: darrinh@mci2000.com (Darrin)

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 03:29:31 GMT

--------

On 5 Apr 1998 01:20:35 GMT, rdk34@aol.com (RDK34) wrote:



>Anyone have any suggestions besides melatonin or valarian, and not a tea.

>

>

>Thanks 

>Tammy Ann



Kava Kava is much better IMO, than Valerian. 5-HTP and Melatonin

combined work well for me too.



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro







==========

Subject: Re: insomnia

From: "Perry D Haaland" <strategix@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:23:07 -0500

--------

I would recommend starting out with catnip tincture, 1-2 dropper fulls

before bed. If that isn't sufficient then you could add 1 dropper of skull

cap and/or passion flower. I like a combination of skull cap and passion

flower, too. Wild lettuce is a very effective sedative and will "knock you

out" compared to the more gentle effects of passion flower.









==========

Subject: Need some Herb Advice

From: dosbabe1@aol.com (DosBabe1)

Date: 4 Apr 1998 14:47:35 GMT

--------

Greetings,



I've been buying herbs in capsules for a long time, but decided I would like to

take the plunge and try a store that had them in bulk..They arrived today, and

they look like they arrived in the original state and dried in this way...I

need some advice in whether to grind them to a powder to take in my protein

drink (taste doesn't really bother me) or make a tea..or if a tincture is

best.(which I have no idea how to make..



Astragalus - (in long strips) - the salesperson told me to throw it whole in

any soups..does this sound correct?



St.John's Wort

Echinacea

Oregon Grape Root

White Oak Bark

KavaKava

Nettles



I'm familiar what the herbs are used for..I just need to figure out how to

prepare them..



Thanks

Amy





==========

To: DosBabe1 <dosbabe1@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Need some Herb Advice

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:08:27 -0500

--------

Following are the easiest directions I have found for making 

tinctures; these directions are given by Susun Weed, herbalist and 

author.

	"Making a Tincture From Fresh Plant Material:



The best tinctures are made form fresh plants. These tinctures are so 

far superior to commercial tinctures made from dried plants that they 

almost appear to be different medicines! Homeopaths call these "mother 

tictures"

	Tincturing is amazingly simple:

	*Identify and pick the plant parts you desire to tincture.

	*Look through the plant material and discare any damaged parts.

	*Do not wash any part of the plant except roots and those only when 

necessary.

	*Fill a jar to the top with the chopped plant material.

	*Then fill the jar to the top with 100 proof vodka, vinegar or the 

spirit of your choice. (Yes, you can fill a jar to the top twice!)

	*Cap the jar tightly.

	*Label the jar with the name of the plant, the part of the plant 

used, the type of spirit used, and the date. Example: chickweed, whole 

plant in flower, 100 proof vodka, 12 May 1988.

	*Top up the liquid level the next day. (The plant fairies come by and 

take a little taste of each new tincture.)

	*Allow plant and alcohol to mingle together for six weeks or more.

	*Decant the tincture and it is ready to use.



Making a Tincture from Dry Plant Material



Most dried plants are unsuitable for tincturing, with  the exception 

of dried roots, resins, barks, and leathery leaves (such as rosemary, 

uva ursi, and wintergreen). The procedure is similar to making a 

tincture from fresh plants:



	*Put two ounces/60 grams dried root or bark in a pint/500ml jar.

	*Add ten fluid ounces/300 ml of 100 proof vodka or other spirit.

	*Cap well and label (plant, part, type of spirit, date)

	*Watch the alcohol level closely for the first week and top it up as 

necessary. (Those fairies get very thirsty.)

	*Decant the tincture after six or more weeks." -

                                                                  

                                             Susun Weed



You should seek advice or read up on herbs for doses. An excellent 

book is David Hoffmann's The New Holistic Herbal. 



I hope this helps.



Rosemarie





==========

Subject: Re: Need some Herb Advice

From: elhughes@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 06:08:59 GMT

--------

On 4 Apr 1998 14:47:35 GMT, dosbabe1@aol.com (DosBabe1) wrote:





>

>I'm familiar what the herbs are used for..I just need to figure out how to

>prepare them..

>

>Thanks

>Amy

Hi,



Generally for internal use flowers and leaves are made into infusions,

roots and bark into decoctions. Tinctures are used where the medicinal

ingredient isn't water-soluble.



Get a good reference book with recipes, like one of Penelope Ody's

books...then you can look up all the herbs and just follow the recipes

to make up the form you want.



Have fun,

Elaine





==========

Subject: Re: is pyrethrin safe for herbs I'm going to eat?

From: sinegreg@aol.com (Sinegreg)

Date: 4 Apr 1998 15:14:35 GMT

--------

Pyrethrin can be washed off and has a relatively high toxicity level,(you can

eat a lot of it before it hurts you).



Just rinse well before eating.



You can use just dish soap in water, the flies can't lay their eggs on the

film, they go away.



Lady Sine





==========

Subject: Native American Herbal ?

From: "Preferred Customer" <drmiczak@myhost.com>

Date: 4 Apr 1998 21:50:00 GMT

--------

Hello,



Do you have a Native American recipe passed down from ancestors?  Folk

lore?  Poetry?  If so please go here for more information:

 

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/nativetraditions/herb.html  Thank you.





==========

Subject: Help with Horsetail herb

From: GolfingBabe <GolfingBabe@.LPGA.wannabe.att.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 16:25:29 -0600

--------

x-no-archive: yes



I'd like to know if anyone has had any success with horsetail.  It was

suggested for me to use to strengthen my nails and hair strands.



I don't have a medical problem.  I just want to have longer nails and

hair.



Are there any side effects to using horsetail?



Thanks







==========

Subject: Re: Help with Horsetail herb

From: kim birney <halfabee@pacbell.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:05:59 -0800

--------

Hi There,



Yes, it should help your nails and hair--it contains alot of

silica, which is found in nails and hair. You should use a

decoction (tea) rather than eating the herb itself, as in

capsules. Otherwise it could irritate your urinary tract.



kim birney



GolfingBabe wrote:

> 

> x-no-archive: yes

> 

> I'd like to know if anyone has had any success with horsetail.  It was

> suggested for me to use to strengthen my nails and hair strands.

> 

> I don't have a medical problem.  I just want to have longer nails and

> hair.

> 

> Are there any side effects to using horsetail?

> 

> Thanks





==========

Subject: Warts.

From: Shirley Curtis <ladyluck@bluegrass.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:17:17 -0500

--------

Does anyone have any suggestions for my son's warts?  they are all over

his hands and are big and have not responded to conventional treatments

to include antibiotics.  I was thinking of trying Bloodroot.  I read

that it can be used on warts.  Is it safe and where can I get it.  Would

SJW work for bipolar disorder.  I am presently taking Lithium.  I am a

newby to natural healing and herbal remedies.  I am a retired nurse and

am tired of some of conventional medicine not working only making

matters worse.  My son's warts grew even during the treatment.  They

tried freezing which for a ten yr old is hard to take. Then they

salysilic acid and even that didn't work.  Any suggestions would be

appreciated....Thanks.







==========

Subject: Re: Warts.

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 18:19:56 -0800

--------

Shirley Curtis wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have any suggestions for my son's warts?   



My Mother had some large warts on her hands.  She taped on pieces of

aloe vera, juicy part in contact with the wart.  She changed them every

day until they were gone.



I had them when I was ten but they went away several years later.  At

the time I received them I was going through some very stressful times. 

When life became easier was when the wart went away.



I hopes that this works.



J9





==========

Subject: Re: Warts.

From: "moondaughter" <moondaughter@geocities.com>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 03:59:42 GMT

--------

try some tea tree oil applied directly every day until they disappear.





moondaughter









==========

Subject: Re: Warts.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 06:35:00 -0700

--------

Shirley Curtis <ladyluck@bluegrass.net> wrote:



>Does anyone have any suggestions for my son's warts?  

  I think there is a vaccine that will stimulate his immune

system to attack the virus.  The problem is that the virus hides

out in the skin cells and is hard for the immune system to "see".

 All the herbal treatments I can think of are just versions of

the salacylic acid (caustics).



>Would

>SJW work for bipolar disorder.  I am presently taking Lithium.  I am a

>newby to natural healing and herbal remedies.

  Bipolar disorder isn't helped by SJW - it's got a different

brain chemistry disorder.  Lithium helps because it "normalizes"

the parts of the brain cells that are overactive.







Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Warts.

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 20:12:06 GMT

--------

Warts are very susectible to suggestion and to hypnosis



it is due to this that some of the old folk remedies may work on him



Try rubbing a potato or apple sliced in 2 on the warts... reseal and bury in

the earth under a aning(decreasing) moon





In the meanwhile do try the tea tree oil, aloe vera etc.





Hope it helps





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







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Subject: Re: Warts.

From: mk95528@cyberramp.net (Margie's Plant Clip Art)

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:56:08 GMT

--------

On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:17:17 -0500, Shirley Curtis

<ladyluck@bluegrass.net> wrote:



>Does anyone have any suggestions for my son's warts?  they are all over

>his hands and are big and have not responded to conventional treatments

>to include antibiotics.  I was thinking of trying Bloodroot.  I read

>that it can be used on warts.  Is it safe and where can I get it.  Would

>SJW work for bipolar disorder.  I am presently taking Lithium.  I am a

>newby to natural healing and herbal remedies.  I am a retired nurse and

>am tired of some of conventional medicine not working only making

>matters worse.  My son's warts grew even during the treatment.  They

>tried freezing which for a ten yr old is hard to take. Then they

>salysilic acid and even that didn't work.  Any suggestions would be

>appreciated....Thanks.



I have seen sucess many times with others using Mullen flowers or

dandelion juice or raw potatoe or banana skins. Mostly the Mullen and

dandelion flowers. The Mullen flowers never failed, they just pared

the wart real well, applied the flowers on the surface (pressing down

hard each time) and bandaged till sucess, changing three times a day.

I have also heard alot of other ways too, but I bet the tea tree oil

will work great, and it is handy.



Good Luck

Margie

Rare Books and Plant Clip Art





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Subject: Re: Warts.

From: Clark <jad123@gisco.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:11:33 -0500

--------

Hi,

This sounds nuts but I know from seeing it happen and doing it myself that

wishing them awat helps. I read this in an applachian remedy book as a child

and tried it,and so have my friends and they thought it was nuts, until it

worked.

Tea tree oil also works well, I tell the non believers to use that.

Demetria



Margie's Plant Clip Art wrote:



> On Sat, 04 Apr 1998 19:17:17 -0500, Shirley Curtis

> <ladyluck@bluegrass.net> wrote:

>

> >Does anyone have any suggestions for my son's warts?  they are all over

> >his hands and are big and have not responded to conventional treatments

> >to include antibiotics.  I was thinking of trying Bloodroot.  I read

> >that it can be used on warts.  Is it safe and where can I get it.  Would

> >SJW work for bipolar disorder.  I am presently taking Lithium.  I am a

> >newby to natural healing and herbal remedies.  I am a retired nurse and

> >am tired of some of conventional medicine not working only making

> >matters worse.  My son's warts grew even during the treatment.  They

> >tried freezing which for a ten yr old is hard to take. Then they

> >salysilic acid and even that didn't work.  Any suggestions would be

> >appreciated....Thanks.

>

> I have seen sucess many times with others using Mullen flowers or

> dandelion juice or raw potatoe or banana skins. Mostly the Mullen and

> dandelion flowers. The Mullen flowers never failed, they just pared

> the wart real well, applied the flowers on the surface (pressing down

> hard each time) and bandaged till sucess, changing three times a day.

> I have also heard alot of other ways too, but I bet the tea tree oil

> will work great, and it is handy.

>

> Good Luck

> Margie

> Rare Books and Plant Clip Art











==========

Subject: Re: Warts.

From: alcastellosa@access.ch (Crocodile)

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 02:28:09 GMT

--------

mk95528@cyberramp.net (Margie's Plant Clip Art) wrote:



>I have seen sucess many times with others using Mullen flowers or

>dandelion juice or raw potatoe or banana skins. Mostly the Mullen and

>dandelion flowers. The Mullen flowers never failed, they just pared

>the wart real well, applied the flowers on the surface (pressing down

>hard each time) and bandaged till sucess, changing three times a day.

>I have also heard alot of other ways too, but I bet the tea tree oil

>will work great, and it is handy.



Tea Tree oil works quite well indeed...

Some other remedies not yet mentioned:



- garlic juice



- the orange sap of Chenopodium majus! The latter is definitively one

of the most efficent remedies after Tea Tree oil!



Best Wishes,

Mike







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Subject: Re: Warts.

From: volare@wilde.oit.umass.edu (Kedi)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 22:10:52 -0500

--------

Shirley Curtis (ladyluck@bluegrass.net) said something like....

: Does anyone have any suggestions for my son's warts?  they are all over

: his hands and are big and have not responded to conventional treatments



	Ugh...went through that meself...cut the things open (not to the 

skin, just open) and douse them in Vitamin E. This worked for me on a 

particularly stubborn batch of them on my fingers which withstood several 

bouts of freezing and so forth. Took a little while but it worked..I 

advise using the very small capsules as they make convenient 

'single-dose' treatments..



							-J-







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Subject: Re: Warts.

From: miethos@worldnet.att.net

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 11:48:32 GMT

--------

Cut them open? Ugh! That can be very dangerous.... I have one on my

leg that I've been thinking about having removed.  Does anyone have

another suggestion besides taking a knife to the surface?



-  J. Brian Chamberlin







On 5 Apr 1998 22:10:52 -0500, volare@wilde.oit.umass.edu (Kedi) wrote:



>Shirley Curtis (ladyluck@bluegrass.net) said something like....

>: Does anyone have any suggestions for my son's warts?  they are all over

>: his hands and are big and have not responded to conventional treatments

>

>	Ugh...went through that meself...cut the things open (not to the 

>skin, just open) and douse them in Vitamin E. This worked for me on a 

>particularly stubborn batch of them on my fingers which withstood several 

>bouts of freezing and so forth. Took a little while but it worked..I 

>advise using the very small capsules as they make convenient 

>'single-dose' treatments..

>

>							-J-

>







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Subject: Re: Warts.

From: "Eva Z. Bem" <ewa@staff.cs.usyd.edu>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 09:49:34 +1000

--------

miethos@worldnet.att.net wrote:



> Cut them open? Ugh! That can be very dangerous.... I have one on my

> leg that I've been thinking about having removed.  Does anyone have

> another suggestion besides taking a knife to the surface?

>

> -  J. Brian Chamberlin

>



I wouldn't cut. In my experience the more you interfere with warts mechanically the bigger they

regrow.

This includes freezing them off.



I can recommend two treatments:



1. thuja ointment and castor oil on a banana peel applied over night

2. fresh dandelion juice applied as often as you can, should be several times a day



Both of the above worked for my children on separate occasions. The first one was recommended

by a practising naturopath, and the second is allegedly an old Gypsy remedy. None of the above

is a magic bullet, they take several weeks to work.



Eva Z. Bem







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Subject: Re: Directions for drying rack

From: mk95528@cyberramp.net (Margie's Plant Clip Art)

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 02:57:03 GMT

--------

On 31 Mar 1998 21:07:18 GMT, sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93) wrote:



>K, here is the gist of it (this is a challenge without pictures.. prhaps I

>should take one and scan it in)

> ~bear with me on this it was a few years ago~

>

>1) design your desired height and dimensions (mine is 2x3x4) which is a top

>that is 2x3 feet (nice size working surface) and 4 feet high I believe it has

>14-16 racks on it.

>



A real simple way I have used for years is to just put the plants in a

paper sack (greo.store kind) fold the opening closed and staple the

paper bag shut. Then take a pencil or a rod or something and put about

a dozen or so holes all over the sack, then hang in the garage 'or

shed' till dry. Be sure the plants are dry before storage! The plants

may mold.

Hope this helps.



Margie

Rare Books and Plant Clip art









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Subject: essiac tea

From: ocean@cruzio.com (Oceana)

Date: 5 Apr 1998 04:33:13 GMT

--------

I have two friends who have used essiac for lymphoma with great results...



it can be taken as a preventive as well...



AND NO, to those of you who assume too much...I am not selling it..gee whiz





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Subject: Re: essiac tea

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 00:32:26 -0500

--------

Oceana wrote:

> 

> I have two friends who have used essiac for lymphoma with great results...

> 

> it can be taken as a preventive as well...

> 

> AND NO, to those of you who assume too much...I am not selling it..gee whiz







I believe ya.  I do not know anyone personally who has used it, but I

have just bought some.  Haven't as yet made it as I'm waiting to acquire

the necessary mason jars to sterilize and seal.  I have done extensive

research on Essiac and everything I've read says this stuff can cure a

lot of things.  The best part...no side effects!



Fidget





==========

Subject: Re: essiac tea

From: Elaine Carver <elainet@iea.com>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 15:04:55 -0700

--------

yES, Fidget wrote:

> 

> Oceana wrote:

> >

> > I have two friends who have used essiac for lymphoma with great results...

> >

> > it can be taken as a preventive as well...

> >

> > AND NO, to those of you who assume too much...I am not selling it..gee whiz

> 

> I believe ya.  I do not know anyone personally who has used it, but I

> have just bought some.  Haven't as yet made it as I'm waiting to acquire

> the necessary mason jars to sterilize and seal.  I have done extensive

> research on Essiac and everything I've read says this stuff can cure a

> lot of things.  The best part...no side effects!

> 

> Fidget





Yes, it does work. Read "I was Canada's Cancer Nurse" for the whole,

original story. Not only has it helped those with cancer, it is a

wonderful immune system booster and can be taken bi-annually to clear

the body of toxins. 



By the way, what's wrong with selling it? Somebody has too. I've seen it

in health food stores as well as know those who sell it. Free enterprise

says, buy wherever you want to.





==========

Subject: Re: essiac tea

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 13:36:59 -0400

--------

Elaine Carver wrote:

> 

> yES, Fidget wrote:

> >

> > Oceana wrote:

> > >

> > > I have two friends who have used essiac for lymphoma with great results...

> > >

> > > it can be taken as a preventive as well...

> > >

> > > AND NO, to those of you who assume too much...I am not selling it..gee whiz

> >

> > I believe ya.  I do not know anyone personally who has used it, but I

> > have just bought some.  Haven't as yet made it as I'm waiting to acquire

> > the necessary mason jars to sterilize and seal.  I have done extensive

> > research on Essiac and everything I've read says this stuff can cure a

> > lot of things.  The best part...no side effects!

> >

> > Fidget

> 

> Yes, it does work. Read "I was Canada's Cancer Nurse" for the whole,

> original story. Not only has it helped those with cancer, it is a

> wonderful immune system booster and can be taken bi-annually to clear

> the body of toxins.

> 

> By the way, what's wrong with selling it? Somebody has too. I've seen it

> in health food stores as well as know those who sell it. Free enterprise

> says, buy wherever you want to.





Oceana:  What kind of lymphoma?  A family member right now if very sick

with non-Hodgkins Lymphoma (type B) I think.  When one hears about

*lymphoma* is that something different than non-Hodgkins?  I know zilch

about the different kinds of cancers.  Any help would be appreciated.



Fidget









==========

Subject: Re: essiac tea

From: rblack@planet.earthcom.net

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:46:55 GMT

--------

Essiac has been used for many types of cancer.  It is reported to be

an Immune system booster.  My husband has been taking it as part of

his reguime for prostate cancer.  The doctors didn't expect him to

last a year and It's 4 years later.  He went off all treatments 2

years ago when they reported to him that there was no sign of the

cancer. He should have kept it up as a preventative because he just

was told he has a relapse. 

I can't claim that it's just the essiac that helped since he uses

several herbals besides.

As for side effects, he does get an upset stomack occasionally, so he

goes off the herbals for a day or two.

With Essiac there are two formulas. The 4 herb formula which is well

known and has been written up in several books.  This formula is also

available on the web.  There is also the 8 herb formula which is

suppose to be the original formula.  We only know the herbs used, not

the amounts.  This is only produced by a company called Flora under

the name of Flor-essence.  This is the one my husband used.  His

oncologist said that this is the best.





On Mon, 06 Apr 1998 13:36:59 -0400, Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote:



>Elaine Carver wrote:

>> 

>> yES, Fidget wrote:

>> >

>> > Oceana wrote:

>> > >

>> > > I have two friends who have used essiac for lymphoma with great results...

>> > >

>> > > it can be taken as a preventive as well...

>> > >



>> By the way, what's wrong with selling it? Somebody has too. I've seen it

>> in health food stores as well as know those who sell it. Free enterprise

>> says, buy wherever you want to.

>

>

>Oceana:  What kind of lymphoma?  A family member right now if very sick

>with non-Hodgkins Lymphoma (type B) I think.  When one hears about

>*lymphoma* is that something different than non-Hodgkins?  I know zilch

>about the different kinds of cancers.  Any help would be appreciated.

>

>Fidget

>

>



*****************************************************



       Rita B.          To e-mail me, just replace the 

                     Ihatespam with planet in the reply to:





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Subject: Re: essiac tea

From: ocean@cruzio.com (Oceana)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 04:57:58 GMT

--------



> Oceana:  What kind of lymphoma?  A family member right now if very sick

> with non-Hodgkins Lymphoma (type B) I think.  When one hears about

> *lymphoma* is that something different than non-Hodgkins?  I know zilch

> about the different kinds of cancers.  Any help would be appreciated.

> 

> Fidget



They both suffered from a Non Hodgkins lymhoma...are are both now free of

the cancer..but they BOTH did chemo AND radiation along with the essiac...





==========

Subject: Re: essiac tea

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 02:16:44 -0400

--------

Oceana wrote:

> 

> > Oceana:  What kind of lymphoma?  A family member right now if very sick

> > with non-Hodgkins Lymphoma (type B) I think.  When one hears about

> > *lymphoma* is that something different than non-Hodgkins?  I know zilch

> > about the different kinds of cancers.  Any help would be appreciated.

> >

> > Fidget

> 

> They both suffered from a Non Hodgkins lymhoma...are are both now free of

> the cancer..but they BOTH did chemo AND radiation along with the essiac...





Word came last night that he was in the hospital again because his

spleen got infected so the doctors removed his spleen!!   They also gave

him a flu shot and another shot to prevent pneumonia.  Without a spleen,

he no longer will have an immune system.  Am I correct?  If so, why

would the doctor decide to give him those shots?  Put live flu virus in

someone who has no immune system to fight it off?  I still can't believe

this.  I'm really beginning to feel there is no hope and it's only a

matter of time.



Can someone please tell me I'm wrong.



Fidget





==========

Subject: Re: essiac tea

From: ocean@cruzio.com (Oceana)

Date: 9 Apr 1998 14:28:21 GMT

--------

In article <352B164C.3AA@warwick.net>, Fidget@warwick.net wrote:



> Oceana wrote:

> > 

> > > Oceana:  What kind of lymphoma?  A family member right now if very sick

> > > with non-Hodgkins Lymphoma (type B) I think.  When one hears about

> > > *lymphoma* is that something different than non-Hodgkins?  I know zilch

> > > about the different kinds of cancers.  Any help would be appreciated.

> > >

> > > Fidget

> > 

> > They both suffered from a Non Hodgkins lymhoma...are are both now free of

> > the cancer..but they BOTH did chemo AND radiation along with the essiac...

> 

> 

> Word came last night that he was in the hospital again because his

> spleen got infected so the doctors removed his spleen!!   They also gave

> him a flu shot and another shot to prevent pneumonia.  Without a spleen,

> he no longer will have an immune system.  Am I correct?  If so, why

> would the doctor decide to give him those shots?  Put live flu virus in

> someone who has no immune system to fight it off?  I still can't believe

> this.  I'm really beginning to feel there is no hope and it's only a

> matter of time.

> 

> Can someone please tell me I'm wrong.

> 

> Fidget





Yup...they give the pneumonia vaccine to spleenectomy patients...the live

virus isn't enough to cause great harm, but it will stir up enough

antibodies to hopefully prevent a full blown infection in the future...at

least, that is what I am told...



take care





==========

Subject: Re: essiac tea

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 01:52:32 GMT

--------

Not correct, thank goodness.  The spleen is part* of the immune

system, not the entire thing.   We have a heriditary blood disease in

the family that generally gets around to requiring removal of the

spleen, so I've checked it out.  Yes, the pneumonia vaccines are

necessary and some doctors recommend taking anitbiotics

prophylactically (though that goes in and out of fashion with

doctors), but there's still a pretty good immune system left.

Insurance rates don't go up after removal of the spleen unless it was

for some disease that's likely to strike again.  I trust those little

guys in back rooms with actuarial tables to know about life

expectancies.  Their jobs and profits depend on it.  If they think

you're going to have a normal life expectancy after spleen removal,

they're betting their company's livelyhood on it.  All they care about

is the accuracy and the money...





On Wed, 08 Apr 1998 02:16:44 -0400, Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote:

 Without a spleen,

>he no longer will have an immune system.  Am I correct?  If so, why

>would the doctor decide to give him those shots?  Put live flu virus in

>someone who has no immune system to fight it off?  I still can't believe

>this.  I'm really beginning to feel there is no hope and it's only a

>matter of time.

>

>Can someone please tell me I'm wrong.

>

>Fidget



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





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Subject: Re: essiac tea

From: rsmfp@aurora.alaska.edu (Ma and Pa G. Gruff)

Date: 7 Apr 1998 21:41:18 GMT

--------

: I believe ya.  I do not know anyone personally who has used it, but I

: have just bought some.  Haven't as yet made it as I'm waiting to acquire

: the necessary mason jars to sterilize and seal.  I have done extensive

: research on Essiac and everything I've read says this stuff can cure a

: lot of things.  The best part...no side effects!



I take it every year for a while, just like the Ojibway suggested a long

time ago. You know, you can store the liquid in one of those 1.5 liter

brown booze bottles, after your rinse the bottle with some distilled

water. Then keep it in the fridge. (drink the booze first *grin*)



Tell ya...don't be surprised it it loosens you a little ( not like the

GI's, just loosen)...it's cleaning your organd AND plumbing and the sludge

has to go somewhere. 



Enjoy

Gruffy





==========

To: "Ma and Pa G. Gruff" <rsmfp@aurora.alaska.edu>

Subject: Re: essiac tea

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 13:58:52 -0700

--------

What is it used for other than cancers?  Thanks

June



Ma and Pa G. Gruff wrote:



>

>

> I take it every year for a while, just like the Ojibway suggested a long

> time ago. You know, you can store the liquid in one of those 1.5 liter

> brown booze bottles, after your rinse the bottle with some distilled

> water. Then keep it in the fridge. (drink the booze first *grin*)

>

> Enjoy

> Gruffy











==========

Subject: Spices

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 21:08:04 -0800

--------

I am looking for a source for a spice mixture we used to use.  It is

form Cross Border Enterprises.  We really liked their New Mexico Range

Pepper and their New York Steak seasoning.  I used to purchase these

items from a Wholesale Warehouse here on the west coast but they have

discontinued this companies product form their inventory.  I have been

looking for it in every store I go into.  If anyone can give me a lead

on it I sure would appreciate it.  



Thanks.



J9





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Subject: Calaguala and Desmodium

From: AL <AEC1313@teleline.es>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 11:24:28 +0200

--------

Please I need information about two powerful herbs:

Polypodium leucotomos (calaguala) and Desmodium adscendens







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Subject: Help! Herbs for gastro-intestinal problems and constipation? (lazy bowel)

From: "Murray Zaharia" <zaharia@direct.ca>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 10:32:19 GMT

--------

I am wondering what herbal remedy would help with gasto-intestinal problems

and constipation.(lazy bowel)

My brother has been suffering for the last 10 years with this problem and it

is so severe he has a hard time working or really doing much of anything. He

has been to 4 or 5  medical doctors and the drugs they prescribe as well as

the usual remedies such as lots of fibre and such don't seem to help. He

drinks at least a gallon+ of water a day as well. Sometimes he stumbles

across a certain food that seems to relieve the problem for a few days (such

as lentils), but then it returns. It seems that his body gets used to that

particular food and it then loses it's effectiveness to relieve his

constipation.



Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.



Thank you

Murray Z.









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Subject: Re: Help! Herbs for gastro-intestinal problems and constipation? (lazy bowel)

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 03 Apr 1998 15:29:55 GMT

--------



First thing to do is get adequate exercise.  At the very least, 

walk briskly for 20 minutes three times per week.



Then, I would try consuming adequate vitamins and minerals plus

neem leaf.   Use  a  good multi like Nature's Way two-per-day, VegLife



Multi, or Twinlab Daily Two, or other with B50 potency or more and 

100% RDA or more biotin and folic acid.  Then, use a 1:1 cal:mag 

supplement.  Get  Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate or Country Life Calcium 

Magnesium Potassium.   



Use neem leaf capsules, too.  They are available at some herb shops.  

I would take double recommended dosage for three weeks, then 

recommended dosage for three more.



Next, I would try turmeric and fennel seeds - a 1/2 t of each twice 

per day for three weeks.  If the turmeric causes stomach upset,

use more fennel seeds - up to a heaping teaspoon.  Fennel seeds

can be also used for any digestive upset, like nausea, acid, 

or gas.



If this does not help, use something like

Nature's Secret AM/PM Cleanse, available at many herb

shops.  Follow the directions carefully.  Many people have

been helped with this supplement, sometimes solving

lfe long problems.   A main ingredient is cascara sagrada,

probably one of the safest laxatives and one that can 

be used at the start of the regimen for short term relief.

It is also somewhat antiparasitic, like the AM/PM,

but unlike AM/PM, very inexpensive.  Instead of any

of these capsules, another remedy is to eat an apple per day

while eating a few figs and taking a tablespoon of extra 

virgin olive oil three times per day.



If this does not work, clean the liver better.  Use the cal-mag and 

vitamins along with Country Life Biochem Liver Support Factors.

Other supplements that will help in this regard are Planetary

Formula's Stone Free, Nature's

Herbs Dandelion Goldenseal Combination and their Dandelion

Yellowdock Combination.  Alternate these supplements for a 

few weeks, taking one until gone, then the next to see if

there is a favorite.  Continue to drink lots of water with these.



If there is still a problem after this. do a full blown Hulda Clark 

style deparasitization.  See any of her books, her web page,

or mine for tips.



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



Deparasitization regimen in cleansing section, along with 

full blown liver program, and Clark's page is linked through

the Self-Health Resource Center link.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: Help! Herbs for gastro-intestinal problems and constipation? (lazy bowel)

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 7 Apr 1998 01:04:11 GMT

--------

Murray,



I know a young man with exactly this same problem.   I also have the problem

myself to some degree due to menopausal changes.   There are a couple of

things I have found really truly help a lot.



First of all, invest in a juicer.   I could NOT believe how much I

eliminated, naturally, not as loose stools or anything that might be

construed as irritated response, but simply normal and healthy elimination

the moment I got a juicer.   Carrot, Celery, Apple and Beet juice will work

like MAGIC on this problem.   Besides that it has other good effects too,

like increased energy etc.



Papaya... preferably fresh... eat one or a half of a large one every day..

It breaks down undigested matter and moves things along better than any

fiber product.   Another nearly miracle product.   Not to mention that they

are delicious.



The other thing is diet.... cut down on meat, stay AWAY from white flour

products like pancakes, bread, pasta.   Eat instead stuff like Kasha, Rye

Krisp, whole grain cereal and best of all Brown Rice.   The short grain

variety is incredible for bowel problems!!!



Also, there are herbs which are known to help, such as chickweed, but you

must be very careful with it.   You can get very sick if you take too much,

so watch out with this unless you get some really good advice on it.



With the right handling of the situation, your friend will NEVER have

another problem like that again.



Regards,

Evelyn











Murray Zaharia wrote in message ...

>I am wondering what herbal remedy would help with gasto-intestinal problems

>and constipation.(lazy bowel)

>My brother has been suffering for the last 10 years with this problem and

it

>is so severe he has a hard time working or really doing much of anything.

He

>has been to 4 or 5  medical doctors and the drugs they prescribe as well as

>the usual remedies such as lots of fibre and such don't seem to help. He

>drinks at least a gallon+ of water a day as well. Sometimes he stumbles

>across a certain food that seems to relieve the problem for a few days

(such

>as lentils), but then it returns. It seems that his body gets used to that

>particular food and it then loses it's effectiveness to relieve his

>constipation.

>

>Any help or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

>

>Thank you

>Murray Z.

>

>









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Subject: Kava Root for stress relief

From: davidcopperhead@usa.net (David Copperhead)

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 14:27:30 GMT

--------

Kava root, stress relief herb

Please post any side-effects you have experienced.



TIA,

DC





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Subject: Re: Kava Root for stress relief

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 04:40:38 GMT

--------

David Copperhead (davidcopperhead@usa.net) wrote:

:Kava root, stress relief herb

:Please post any side-effects you have experienced.



Balance problems, and slight nausea. Nex





    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: Kava Root for stress relief

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 01:58:11 -0400

--------

Just started taking it tonight under the advice of an herbologist I

consulted with earlier today.  It's considered an anti-anxiety herb

(which is used for clinical depression). It does take the "edge" off -

that I can tell you.  Gives you a feeling of calmness.  Don't know if I

had any side effects - because I have fibromyalgia, I usually require a

nap sometimes during the day - it did let me sleep a little longer than

usual and I woke up still feeling groggy.  But right now I feel fine.



Fidget





Alan Pollock wrote:

> 

> David Copperhead (davidcopperhead@usa.net) wrote:

> :Kava root, stress relief herb

> :Please post any side-effects you have experienced.

> 

> Balance problems, and slight nausea. Nex

> 

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------

>     "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

>         perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

>                           Ariwara no Narihira

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------





==========

Subject: Dong Quai

From: "Allana Scarfo" <ascarfo@direct.ca>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:12:46 GMT

--------

I have been reading conflicting information on Dong Quai and would like to

know what this herb is actually used for! Also if anyone could forward me

some info on ginko I would really appreciate it!



AS





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Subject: Re: Dong Quai

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:43:35 -0500

--------

Here is some basic information for you:



DONG QUAI

LATIN: Angelica sinensis

AKA: Chinese Angelica, Dang Gui, Tang-kuei, Woman's Herb

   

BODILY ACTIONS: abdominal pain, alterative, analgesic, anemia, angina, arthritis pain, atherosclerosis, bitter, bleeding (internal), blood pressure (lowers), blood purifier, blood vessels, blood, brain nourisher, breasts (abscessed), bronchitis, cancer, childbirth, chills, circulation, constipation, cramps, diabetes, diuretic, emmenagogue, female glands, female problems, fever, headaches, heart, hormonal-female, hormone balancer, hot flashes, hypertension, hypoglycemia, insomnia, intestines, laxative, liver, lower back, lungs, menopause, menstruation (regulator), migraines, muscle tension, nephritis, nerves (calms), nervousness, oxytocic, pain reliever, pituitary, placenta, plague, sedative, skin problems, spasms, spleen, stomachache, tonic, tumors (blood), uterus (prolapsed), uterus, vaginal dryness

PARTS USED: The whole plant

NOTES: Improves almost every female gynecological ailment. Relieves symptoms of menopause.







GINKGO

LATIN: Ginkgo biloba

AKA: Maidenhair Tree

   

BODILY ACTIONS: adaptogen, alertness, allergies, Alzheimer's, anti-aging, antifungal, antioxidant, anti-tussle, anxiety attacks, arthritis, asthma, astringent, attention span, bitter, cancer, circulation, circulation, coughs, dementia, depression, dizziness, equilibrium, expectorant, eye problems, headaches, hearing, heart, impotence, longevity, lung problems, memory loss, mental clarity, mood swings, muscular degeneration, nervine, parasiticide, sedative, senility, shock, stimulant, strokes, tinnitus, transplant rejection, varicose veins, vascular disorders, vasodilator, vertigo, visual acuity

PARTS USED: Leaves, seeds





Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Weight Loss

From: "Carl & Janie Adams" <adamsfam@sockets.net>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:31:31 -0500

--------

Can anyone give me some suggestions for quick weight loss using herbs?



Sparky Adams









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Subject: Re: Weight Loss

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:50:03 GMT

--------

On Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:31:31 -0500, "Carl & Janie Adams"

<adamsfam@sockets.net> wrote:



>Can anyone give me some suggestions for quick weight loss using herbs?

>

>Sparky Adams

>

>

And again with the rant....



QUICK "WEIGHT LOSS" IS NO SUCH THING



The so-called "Fast Weight Loss" products are merely a combination of

diuretic substances, with possibly an addition of the odd laxative and

the occasional bulking agent.  The aim of these is to make you lose

water quickly during the first few days or weeks of your diet.  By

dehydrating the body (which is 70% water) it can seem as though you

are "losing weight".  The bad news is that these things only seem to

work for the first week or so of a diet.  Then your body reaches a

natural plateau, and has to start getting rid of other mass to "lose

weight".



The first thing your body will lose on a "fast weight loss diet" is

water.  The second thing is muscle mass.  You won't actually start

burning up fat cells until your body has started to run out of other

things to dump.  However, the burning of the muscle proteins, combined

with the fact that most of these diets are very low in actual

nutrition, as well as plain dangerous over the long term, means that

you are more likely to start feeling sick if you remain on a "fast

weight loss diet" for longer than about 2 - 3 weeks (which is why many

of them *specify* that they are only to last for that long).  If you

accentuate this with a diuretic (herbal or otherwise) you're doing

yourself more damage.



Sadly, your "fast weight loss" will *not* be permanent.  By cutting

down on your input of food, you tell your body that you are going

through a famine.  The human body *evolved* to *survive* famines,

which it does by slowing *down* the metabolism, and making the storage

of fat cells *more* efficient, as well as making the burning of stored

fats a *lower* priority.  The net effect of all of this is that not

only will you *regain* your "lost" pounds, they will also bring along

some of their friends.  Does the phrase "on a hiding to nothing" ring

a bell here?



</rant>



-- 

 

Meg, The Magpie

New email address from 1 April 1998

magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au





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Subject: Re: Weight Loss

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 14:00:02 -0700

--------

"Carl & Janie Adams" <adamsfam@sockets.net> wrote:



>Just wondered if anyone could suggest some quick ways to loose weight

>naturally.



I too struggled for years with weight problems.  Then I found out what

my body constitution type was....(Ayurvedic word is dosha).... and I

began eating foods for my dosha.  I am had very little trouble loosing

and now maintaining a healthy weight.  Read up on doshas and try that.

I will tell you that I GAINED weight on the 'one size fits all' diet

that Weight Watcher's preaches...  



You will have to learn a new way of eating.  The basic Western diet is

awful!! (heart attacks, strokes, cancers, high blood pressure,

diabetes etc. etc.!)  















==========

To: phokt@primenet.com

Subject: Re: Weight Loss

From: Lia_Faalevao@baylor.edu

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 20:32:24 -0600

--------

In article <6gbfoi$2le@nntp02.primenet.com>,

  phokt@primenet.com wrote:

>

> "Carl & Janie Adams" <adamsfam@sockets.net> wrote:

>

> >Just wondered if anyone could suggest some quick ways to loose weight

> >naturally.

>

> I too struggled for years with weight problems.  Then I found out what

> my body constitution type was....(Ayurvedic word is dosha).... and I

> began eating foods for my dosha.  I am had very little trouble loosing

> and now maintaining a healthy weight.  Read up on doshas and try that.

> I will tell you that I GAINED weight on the 'one size fits all' diet

> that Weight Watcher's preaches...

>

> You will have to learn a new way of eating.  The basic Western diet is

> awful!! (heart attacks, strokes, cancers, high blood pressure,

> diabetes etc. etc.!)

>

> Hi! I suggest exercise regularly and eating a balanced diet. Controlling one's weight is challenging, but if we have the desire to lose weight and feel great then it shouldn't be a problem. It takes motivation and empowerment in every individual to accomplish that goal and be able to live with it in the long run. Eating right doesn't mean that one should be restricted to certain foods. Because eventually your body will crave foods you enjoy the most and later on in the process you'll go back to your regular eating habits. The best thing to do is apply the 80/20 approach where 80% of the time you should eat a balanced diet and 20% you splurge, but in proportionate amount. So you can always eat foods you enjoy but in moderation. As for exercise, you should do it 30min a day, 3X a week.



	Exercise is very beneficial and those who don't have control of their diet

can always exercise more(don't be too hard on yourself) to burn off the

calories. And remember not to eat 2-4 hrs before you go to bed, because your

metabolism slows down at that time. I am enrolled in weight control class here

at Baylor and we use Dr. Kosich's book "Get Real," which I would recommend to

many who has tried dieting(like myself) and failed.  I have also seen Oprah

Winfrey's "Making A Connection" tape which discusses many important issues

relative to weight control. The one major factor discussed in her video tape

is the realization of who you really are. That is one major problem many

dieters encounter. You should think positive about yourself and make serious

commitment that you'll make necessary changes in your lifestyle in order to be

successful. Goodluck!!!



	-CF





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Subject: Re: Weight Loss

From: j@j.com (JK)

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 16:49:28 GMT

--------

On 6 Apr 1998 06:30:00 GMT, "W.Dr. Itolya Nochuboob"

<Nospam@myhouse.net.com> wrote:



>Eat less, move more - supplements do not work.  There would be no obese

>people if they did.  Check out alt.support.diet = lots of FREE help there.



Actually, supplements can help, if used with common sense and a good

diet.  



Don't make blanket statements like "supplements do not work".  You

make yourself look foolish.



I watch what I eat (1,000 calories, 10 grams of fat per day) and take

vitamins, minerals and herbs twice a day.  They do help.  Also -

nothin beats water - lots and lots and lots of water.



Carol, please try to be less judgemental in the future.



JK







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Subject: Re: Weight Loss

From: mmcavoy@escape.ca (Michelle)

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 03:12:52 GMT

--------

In article <352a58a5.6717465@news.mbay.net>, j@j.com (JK) wrote:



->I watch what I eat (1,000 calories, 10 grams of fat per day) and take

->vitamins, minerals and herbs twice a day.  They do help.  Also -

->nothin beats water - lots and lots and lots of water.



I've heard that the minimum amount of calories per day should be 1,200.  

(Not that 1,000 is a far cry from 1,200... but that's just what I've heard.)





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Subject: Re: Weight Loss

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:41:59 -0500

--------

Most women can lose very nicely on 1,000 calories and 20 fat grams per day, while most men can lose weight properly with a daily intake of 1,200 calories and 40 fat grams. It is important to have this many calories and fat grams in a daily diet (except while detoxifying) to prevent ketosis and muscle loss.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Michelle wrote in message ...

>In article <352a58a5.6717465@news.mbay.net>, j@j.com (JK) wrote:

>

>->I watch what I eat (1,000 calories, 10 grams of fat per day) and take

>->vitamins, minerals and herbs twice a day.  They do help.  Also -

>->nothin beats water - lots and lots and lots of water.

>

>I've heard that the minimum amount of calories per day should be 1,200.  

>(Not that 1,000 is a far cry from 1,200... but that's just what I've heard.)







==========

Subject: Re: Weight Loss

From: "Garlic Goddess" <paula23@sprynet.com>

Date: 9 Apr 1998 16:20:07 GMT

--------

First of all, "quick" weight loss can be unhealthy.  It something that

takes time and work when done properly.  Proper diet and exercise cannot be

replaced, but there are some herbs that might help.  I am not an

expert...but I have some good experiences.



Traditional Medicinals makes a "Weightless Tea" which I like.  It's a blend

of such "cleansing" herbs as red clover and cleavers.  I have been taking

it and have lost about twelve pounds...I think the tea helped.



Also try green tea.  According to the book, "Healing Teas," it can help you

get rid of excess body fat...sorry, I don't remember the author's name and

I don't have the book in reach.  



Hope this helps...good luck!



Garlic Goddess









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To: Carl & Janie Adams <adamsfam@sockets.net>

Subject: Re: Weight Loss

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 14:29:46 -0700

--------

I tried the Cabbage Soup Diet and it works.  (Obviously, I'm not sellling

anything, anyone can make soup!) I still have the recipe and concurrent 7

day diet, wish I had the original printout, as I recall, it was from a

hosp. to help treat obesity for heart patients.  2 years ago, I lost 16

lbs. in a month.  Ok, so this winter, I was a slackard and gained 10 back,

but for sure, I'm going to start it again at the end of the month.  If you

want it, no problem, let me know.  If not, I suggest major meal planning

for the whole week before you shop, and remember, you are going to want to

eat something you shouldn't, so plan on some good alternatives, ie. fruit

salad, angel food cake.

As for herbs, I have heard Chickweed is an appetite suppressant.

June

The usu. Disclaimer: I don't know everything, but none of us do. ;-)



Carl & Janie Adams wrote:



> Can anyone give me some suggestions for quick weight loss using herbs?

>

> Sparky Adams











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Subject: Natural Nausea Remedy??

From: Glen Menendez <menendez@rochester.infi.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:35:01 -0400

--------

Hi.  I wonder if anyone knows of any good cures for mild nausea.  It

would have to be something that would last at least an hour or so and

would not cause drowsiness.  I'm just learning to fly a plane and would

hate to soil a perfectly nice cockpit (and instructor).



Any help is appreciated.



Glen









==========

To: Glen Menendez <menendez@rochester.infi.net>

Subject: Re: Natural Nausea Remedy??

From: rzacks@hal-pc.org

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 18:48:40 -0500

--------

Glen Menendez wrote:

> 

> Hi.  I wonder if anyone knows of any good cures for mild nausea.  It

> would have to be something that would last at least an hour or so and

> would not cause drowsiness.  I'm just learning to fly a plane and would

> hate to soil a perfectly nice cockpit (and instructor).

> 

> Any help is appreciated.

> 

> Glen

Ginger capsules work very well.





==========

Subject: Re: Natural Nausea Remedy??

From: "Iva Luke" <hoprow@abts.net>

Date: 6 Apr 1998 15:04:01 GMT

--------

Peppermint tea.



Glen Menendez <menendez@rochester.infi.net> wrote in article

<35281525.E790DD4F@rochester.infi.net>...

> Hi.  I wonder if anyone knows of any good cures for mild nausea.  It

> would have to be something that would last at least an hour or so and

> would not cause drowsiness.  I'm just learning to fly a plane and would

> hate to soil a perfectly nice cockpit (and instructor).

> 

> Any help is appreciated.

> 

> Glen

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Natural Nausea Remedy??

From: "tbird" <cen38275@centuryinter.net>

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:58:38 -0500

--------

I take 2 ginger root capsules before riding in a car to prevent motion

sickness--works great!!

Iva Luke wrote in message <01bd6175$292684a0$528578cf@hoprow.abts.net>...

>Peppermint tea.

>

>Glen Menendez <menendez@rochester.infi.net> wrote in article

><35281525.E790DD4F@rochester.infi.net>...

>> Hi.  I wonder if anyone knows of any good cures for mild nausea.  It

>> would have to be something that would last at least an hour or so and

>> would not cause drowsiness.  I'm just learning to fly a plane and would

>> hate to soil a perfectly nice cockpit (and instructor).

>>

>> Any help is appreciated.

>>

>> Glen

>>

>>

>>









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Subject: Re: Natural Nausea Remedy??

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukrotweiler>

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:52:58 +0100

--------

In article <35281525.E790DD4F@rochester.infi.net>, Glen Menendez

<menendez@rochester.infi.net> writes

>Hi.  I wonder if anyone knows of any good cures for mild nausea.  It

>would have to be something that would last at least an hour or so and

>would not cause drowsiness.  I'm just learning to fly a plane and would

>hate to soil a perfectly nice cockpit (and instructor).

>

>Any help is appreciated.

>

>Glen

>

>

Ginger is a wonderful remedy for all sorts of nausia, from motion

sickness to "morning sickness".



As others have mentioned you can get it in different ways, but my

favourite way is as "Candided Ginger" ... Usually available in many

health food shops. you can nibble at it at any time required. 





-- 

Graham Sorenson      South Wales, UK.

The Guide to Aromatherapy AND nearly 600 links to other Aromatherapy web sites,

Plus Lots of links to other alternative health sites.

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/





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Subject: Re: Natural Nausea Remedy??

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:21:39 GMT

--------

Here in the U.K. they sell something called SeaBands. They are little

elastic bands that use acupressure points. I myself "outgrew" my

motion sickness problems around the age of 10 or so, but I have

several friends who have tried these and they say that they really

work. (One friend actually gave up driving because it had made her so

ill and now she is happily driving again.) They are inexpensive, don't

cause drowsiness, no adverse drug interactions to worry about, and you

don't need a glass of water to use them. 

Let me know if you have trouble finding them.



GCM





On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 21:52:58 +0100, Graham Sorenson

<Graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukrotweiler> wrote:



>In article <35281525.E790DD4F@rochester.infi.net>, Glen Menendez

><menendez@rochester.infi.net> writes

>>Hi.  I wonder if anyone knows of any good cures for mild nausea.  It

>>would have to be something that would last at least an hour or so and

>>would not cause drowsiness.  I'm just learning to fly a plane and would

>>hate to soil a perfectly nice cockpit (and instructor).

>>

>>Any help is appreciated.

>>

>>Glen

>>

>>

>Ginger is a wonderful remedy for all sorts of nausia, from motion

>sickness to "morning sickness".

>

>As others have mentioned you can get it in different ways, but my

>favourite way is as "Candided Ginger" ... Usually available in many

>health food shops. you can nibble at it at any time required. 

>

>

>-- 

>Graham Sorenson      South Wales, UK.

>The Guide to Aromatherapy AND nearly 600 links to other Aromatherapy web sites,

>Plus Lots of links to other alternative health sites.

>http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/



**Remove SPAMBLOCKER from address to reply via e-mail**





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Subject: Re: Natural Nausea Remedy??

From: eggs@telusplanet.net

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:27:55 GMT

--------

On Sun, 05 Apr 1998 19:35:01 -0400, Glen Menendez

<menendez@rochester.infi.net> wrote:



>Hi.  I wonder if anyone knows of any good cures for mild nausea.  It

>would have to be something that would last at least an hour or so and

>would not cause drowsiness.  I'm just learning to fly a plane and would

>hate to soil a perfectly nice cockpit (and instructor).

>

Hi,



In addition to ginger or peppermint, you can try taking a lime and

scoring the skin with a fingernail...then sniff the aroma. Repeat as

needed . This works great for sea-sickness.



E







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Subject: Re: hair loss????

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 18:40:33 -0500

--------

First of all, diet is particularly important. And circulation. Massage may be beneficial. Look into changing your diet first and making sure you are getting proper nutrition. (Unless this is a hereditary thing for you).



Here's some suggestions from "Jude's Herbal Home Remedies".

TREATMENT FOR BALDNESS: Mix together 1 teaspoon oil of rosemary, 5 drops oil of lemongrass, 4 ounces of olive oil. Rub small amount into scalp every night for a week. Do not shampoo until the end of the week.



SHAMPOO TREATMENT FOR BALDNESS: This shampoo will stimulate the scalp and promote hair growth. Pour one cup boiling water over 1/2 ounce of dried rosemary. Let steep for 24 hours. Strain and add 1/2 cup castile shampoo. Shake well before using. Should be used every other night and allowed to stay on the scalp for 15 minutes before rinsing off. If your hair is thinning, stay away from commercial shampoos. This has been used with success by a friend and seemed to help a lot. It could have been the fact that no commercial shampoo was used along with the stimulation from the rosemary.



THIS IS SAID TO REALLY PROMOTE HAIR GROWTH: Mix 2 teaspoons of cayenne pepper with 1 cup olive oil. Massage into the area that is thinning on a daily basis. Continue treatment. You will get results in a few days. I know of several men who have been using this treatment and it does seem to help. But when the treatment stops, so does the hair growth. Keep up the treatment if you do obtain good results with use.



GARLIC TREATMENT FOR BALD SPOTS: Rub a halved clove of garlic over bald or thinning areas of the scalp. Repeat at least three times daily. Allow the area to dry before rinsing off. You should notice results in a few weeks.



THINNING HAIR: Rub the scalp with a freshly cut onion until the scalp is red. Massage in a small amount of Vitamin E oil or honey and rinse off with rosemary tea. Towel dry the hair. This should be done every morning and evening. 



There's a few for you. There are a few more, too, if those don't work. I still say that diet/nutrition is the number 1 thing to consider, though. Make sure you have a good diet, drink plenty of water, etc. And, if nothing works, I don't think being bald is that bad!



Good luck!

Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Herbs with mild androgenic effect.

From: unixon_31@hotmail.com

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 17:27:57 -0700

--------

I am doing some research on herbs with mild androgenic effect.

I am not talking about TRIBULUS /DHEA  / GINSENG etc that boosts

testosterone by increasing LH ( luteinizing hormone ).

I am also not looking for herbs like Black Cohosh that reduce LH.



The herb that fit this critera should be able to compete with

testostorone for receptor sites in body cells but the potency has to be

much weaker THAN TESTOSTERONE.



tHANKS





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Subject: Re: Herbs with mild androgenic effect.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 05:36:00 -0700

--------

unixon_31@hotmail.com wrote:



>I am doing some research on herbs with mild androgenic effect.

  Damiana and sarsaparilla are supposed to be able to increase

virility ... they might have the receptor site activity you are

looking for.



>The herb that fit this critera should be able to compete with

>testostorone for receptor sites in body cells but the potency has to be

>much weaker THAN TESTOSTERONE.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Greetings!!!

From: green74@webtv.net (Christina C)

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 21:54:03 -0400

--------

Wow!  I've just discovered this group and I think it's great!  Healing

with herbs is my passion and I'm sure I will enjoy everyones insight!!  



Christina C.





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Subject: Small Glossary

From: mk95528@cyberramp.net (Margie's Plant Clip Art)

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 02:09:43 GMT

--------



PLANTS   GLOSSARY



+ Acute - Used in reference to some organ, usually a leaf, in which

the conerging edges form a sharp angle.



+ Achene - A small, dry, one-seeded, indehiscent fruit, often called a

seed and functioning as such.



 + Alternate - Not opposite to each other on the stem, but borne at

regular intervals at different levels.



+ Annual - Referring to a plant whose entire life is encompassed

within a period of one year. In a winter annual the seed germinates in

the fall, the seedling remains dormant during the winter, developing

its flowers and fruit the following season.



+ Anther - That portion of a stamen which bears the pollen.



+  Appressed - Used in respect to leaves or scales when lying closely

pressed to the stem or to each other.



+ Aromatic - Having an aroma; fragrant.



+ Ascending - Used in connection with a stem that rises or curves

obliquely upward.



+ Auricles - Claw-like or ear-shaped appendages at the junction of the

leaf blade and leaf sheath of grasses; they are extensions of the

collar. They are most often used to designate the small projections at

the base of sessile leaves.



+ Awn - A hair-like or bristle-shaped structure usually associated

with the glumes (scales) of grasses; the so-called "beards" of some

grasses.



+ Axil - Of leaves, the angle between the petiole, the point where the

leaf joins the stem.



+ Axillary - In or related to the axil.



+ Basal - (leaves). Those at the base of the stem; "root-leaves".



+ Beaked - Terminating in a prolonged tip, such as the upper portion

of a dandelion "seed".



+ Berry - A fruit, the whole pericarp of which is fleshy.



+ Biennial - Referring to a plant that starts from seed in the spring,

stores up a supply of food the first year, and completes its existence

by the production of flowers and fruits the second year. Requiring two

growing seasons to complete the life cycle.



+ Blade - See Leafblade.



+ Bract - A reduced or modified leaf (usually diminutive) associated

with a flower-cluster (sometimes a single flower) or occurring near

the upper part of the stem, usually below a flower or cluster of

flowers. 



+ Bristle - A stiff, hair-like growth.



+ Bulbil - Small bulbs borne on the stem or sometimes within a flower,

as in wild garlic.



+ Calyx - The usually green outer floral envelope part of the flower,

next to the corolla, which covers the flower when it is in the bud;

the calyx is composed of leaf-like divisions called sepals.



+ Capsule - A type of dry fruit (pod) opening at maturity to discharge

its seeds.



+ Carpel - A simple pistil or one of the component parts of a compound

pistil; the portion corresponding to each style or stigma when these

are separate.



+ Cauline - Referring to the stem, as cauline leaves, in contrast to

basal leaves.



+ Channeled - Traversed longitudinally by one or more grooves, as the

upper sides of the petioles in some leaves. 



+ Cleft - Indicating a degree of cutting; in the case of leaves,

approximately halfway to the midrib.



+ Collar - Junction of the leaf blade and leaf sheath in grasses and

sedges.



+ Compound (leaf) One in which the blade is composed of a number of

similar parts (leaflets), as in the locust.



+ Compound (umbel) A type of flower-cluster in which umbels (usually

small) are themselves arranged in an umbel; an umbel of umbels.



+ Cordate - Shaped like a heart; when applied to a leaf, the open

portion is attached to the petiole or stem. 



+ Corolla - In broadleaved plants, the second floral envelope from the

outside in a flower, (inner covering of stamens and pistils) usually

the colored portion. The petals of a rose taken collectively from the

corolla.



+ Corymb - A type of flower-cluster in which the younger flowers are

at the center, while the older (on proportionately longer pedicels

toward the outside) open first. The order of blooming is from the

periphery toward the center.



+ Corymbose - Referring to flowers arranged in a corymb.



+ Cosmopolitan - Refers to a very widespread, in contrast to a limited

distribution of a plant.



+ Crenate - Dentate with rounded teeth.



+ Crown-stem - A short stem at the base of a rosette, often crowning a

tap-root, as in the dandelion.



+ Cymose - Referring to a type of flower-cluster in which the central

or terminal flowers bloom first, as in chickweeds.



+ Culm - The hollow stem of grasses and sedges.



+ Deciduous - Falling away, as the leaves of trees in autumn.



+ Decompound - Used in respect to leaves, when the blade is divided

more than once.



+ Decumbent - Used in connection with a  reclining or trailing stem

where the top rises obliquely upward. More or less prostrate but with

youngest growth ascending.



+ Decurrent - Used in reference to a sessile leaf where the basal

portion may extend in narrow wings down the stem below the point of

attachment.



+ Dioecious - Having male and female flowers on different plants (see

monoecious).



+ Deltoid - Having a triangular shape.



+ Denticulate - Finely dentate or toothed.



+ Digitate - Usually used in connection with compound leaves, where

the separate portions of the blade arise from a single point, as in

the leaves of the blackberry. 



+ Disk-flowers - In the composite family, the tubular flowers in the

head as contrasted with the ray-flowers.



+ Dissected - Referring to the blade of a leaf which is cut into

numerous, usually small segments. 



+ Divided - Referring to the condition in which a  leaf is lobed or

cut to the midrib or base.



+ Division - (of  a  leaf) A portion of a blade; same as a segment.



+ Elliptic - Having the outline of an ellipse.



+ Entire - Usually referring to the margin of a leaf, when not toothed

or cut.



+ Fibrous roots - Slender and often tough; characteristic of annual

plants.



+ Filament - A thread-like structure; usually used in connection with

a stamen to indicate the stalk which bears the anther.



+ Floret - In grasses, the constituent parts of a spikelet, each

floret being composed of a lemma with its enclosed flower, usually one

of a cluster.



+ Foliolate - Used in connection with the number of leaflets (foliola)

in a compound leaf, such as 3-foliolate, 5- foliolate, etc..



+ Fruit - The mature or seed bearing portion of a plant, whether

fleshy or dry; the ripened ovary.



+ Genus - A group of similar species; e.g., the clovers, the

bluegrasses, etc..



+ Glandular - Provided with one or more glands or secreting

structures, such as occur at the base of  petals in many flowers.



+ Glabrous - Smooth; without hairs, scales, or bristles.



+ Glaucous - Covered or whitened with a bloom, as the surface of a

ripe plum.



+ Globose - Spherical or nearly so.



+ Glume - A small bract or scale; especially the lower scales of the

grass spikelet, which do not enclose a flower.



+ Habit - The general appearance or aspect of a plant, such as a tufed

plant, a climber, etc..



+ Habitat - Referring to the situation or condition under which a

plant grows, such as swamp or woodland.



+ Halberd-form - The same as hastate.



+ Hastate - Like an arrowhead, but with the basal lobes directed

outward.



+ Head - A type of flower-cluster in which the individual flowers are

sessile or nearly so on a common receptacle, as in the sunflower or

clover.



+ Herb - A plant with no persistent woody stem above the ground.



+ Herbaceous - Dying down to the ground at the end of the growing

season;  leaf-like in texture.



+ Hirsute - Pubescent with rather course or stiff hairs.



+ Hispid - Provided with stiff or bristly hairs.



+ Inflorescence - Referring simply to a cluster of flowers; or

specifically to the manner in which the individual flowers are

arranged. The entire group of plants on a single plant.



+ Internodal - Referring to an internode or portion of the stem

between any two consecutive joints.



+ Involucre - A circle or collection of bracts surrounding a flower

cluster or a single flower.



+ Involucre - Referring to an involucre.



+ Keeled - Provided with a central ridge, like the keel of a boat.



+ Lanceolate - Having an outline similar to the head of a lance.



+ Lateral - Borne on the sides, such as lateral branches.



+ Leafblade - The upper, expanded portion of the leaf above the

petiole.



+ Leaflet - A single division of a compound leaf, usually resembling a

small leaf in shape.



+ Leaf-sheath - The tubular portion below the blade of the leaf, as in

the leaves of  grasses.



+ Lemma - The lower (exterior) of the two scales enclosing a grass

flower; readily seen in a "grain" of oats. The lower of the two bracts

enclosing the flower in grasses.



+ Lenticular - Shaped like a lens, with two convex faces.



+ Ligule - A thin membranous projection from the top of the leaf

sheath in grasses and similar plants.



+ Ligulate - (flower) Having a more or less flat corolla, as in the

marginal or ray-flower of a daisy.



+ Linear - (leaf) long and narrow, with parallel margins.



+ Lip - Referring to the upper or lower division of the corolla (or

calyx) in irregular flowers, as in a snapdragon.



+ Lobe - Representing, when applied to a leaf, a division of the

blade; a segment of any organ.



+ Lyrate - (leaf) Deeply cut, with a large, rounded terminal lobe and

lateral lobes becoming gradually smaller toward the base.



+ Membranous - Thin, soft, pliable, often more or less translucent or

transparent.



+ Midrib - The central or main rib of a leaf.



+ Monoecious - Having male and female flowers at different locations

on the same plant.



+ Nerve - A vein or slender rib, especially where unbranched.



+ Node - The joint of a stem where the leaves are attached.



+ Oblanceolate - Shaped like a lance, with the narrower part below and

the broader part toward the apex; the reverse of lanceolate.



+ Oblong - Two to three times as long as broad.



+ Obovate - Inertedly ovate.



+ Obtuse - Blunt, often referring to the rounded, in contrast to the

pointed, end of a leaf .



+ Opposite - Attached on opposite sides of a stem, as leaves, when

there are two at one node.



+ Ovary - That part of the pistil which contains the ovules.



+ Ovate - Egg-shaped; having an outline like that of an egg, with the

broader end at the base. 



+ Ovoid - A solid whose longitudinal section is oval or ovate.



+ Ovule - Incipient seeds; small bodies, contained in the ovary, which

after fertilization, become seeds.



+ Palea - Tiny upper bract with the lemma encloses the flower in

grasses.



+ Palmate - (leaf) Veins or lobes radiating from a common center, as

in the leaves of the grape.



+ Palmately compound - Said of a compound leaf that is radiately lobed

or divided, resembling the fingers and palm of the hand.



+ Panicle - A type of inflorescence which is branched and rebranched

at the lower branches at least, resemble simple or compound racemes;

illustrated by many grasses, such as June-grass, Red-top, etc..



+ Pappus - The crown of hairs or scales borne at the summit of achenes

in the Composite or aster family; shown by the white hairs on the

"seeds" of thistles.



+ Parasitic - Growing on and deriving nourishment from another plant.



+ Pedicel - The stalk of a single flower in a panicle or raceme.



+ Peduncle - Referring usually to the main or primary stalk of a

flower-cluster.



+ Perennial - Referring to a plant that lasts year after year, at

least more than two seasons.



+ Pericarp - The matured ovary wall.



+ Persistent - Remaining long after other members have fallen, as the

leaves of some oak species.



+ Petal - One of the parts of the corolla.



+ Petiole - The stalk on which the leaves are borne.



+ Pinnatifid - Used in connection with a pinnate type of leaf, where

the blade is cut at least halfway to the midrib.



+ Pinnately compound Said of a compound leaf which has the leaflets

arranged in pairs opposite each other on a common petiole (from the

Latin "pinna", a feather).



+ Pinnatisect - Refers to the degree of cutting where the blade of a

pinnate leaf is divided (cut to the midrib).



+ Pistillate - Having pistils. Used in reference to unisexual flowers

lacking functional stamens.



+ Pollen - The grains or minute bodies contained in the anther, by the

aid of which the ovules become fertilized.



+ Procumbent - Lying at length upon the ground, as in a number of

trailing vines.



+ Prostrate - Lying close to the ground.



+ Pubescent - Clothed with soft hairs; usually used to describe the

surface of stems and leaves.



+ Pungent - Of acrid scent or flavor; also terminating in a rigid

sharp point.



+ Raceme - A type of flower-cluster (usually open) in which the

pedicels bearing the flowers are arranged along a common axis, the

sequence of blooming being from below upward, as in the moth mullein.



+ Rachis - An axis bearing flowers or leaflets.



+ Radially - Referring to growth from a common center.



+ Radical - (leaves) Applied to rosette leaves, or to those which

arise from the base of a plant, or from a rootstalk.



+ Ray - Branch of an umbel; referring also to a marginal or petal-like

structure, as in a sunflower.



+ Rayflower - One of the marginal or petal-like flowers as in the

periphery of a sunflower head.



+ Reflexed - Referring to any organ which is turned abruptly backwards

or downwards.



+ Rhizome - A subterranean form of a horizontal or ascending stem

possessed by many herbaceous perennials, used for food storage and

asexual reproduction (see stolon); distinguished from a root by the

presence of nodes, indicated by small scales. 



+ Rhombic - Four-sided with the lateral angles obtuse.



+ Rib - A primary or prominent vein of a leaf.



+ Root-leaves - Basal leaves, such as those of a rosette, which

apparently come from the top of a root, in contrast to stem-leaves

which are borne above the ground.



+ Rootstalk  An underground stem. See rhizome.



+ Rosette - A group of leaves radiating from a single point close to

the ground, as in the dandelion.



+ Runcinate - Used in reference to leaves, where the blade is sharply

cut with the segments directed backward, as in the dandelion.



+ Runner - A slender type of stolon, as in the strawberry plant.



+ Sagittate - Shaped like an arrowhead, with the point toward the top.



+ Scape - A naked flower-stalk rising directly from the ground, as the

stem of a dandelion.



+ Segment - Any portion of a leaf or other organ which is cleft or

dissected into a number of parts.



+ Sepal - One of the parts or lobes of a calyz.



+ Serrate - Saw-toothed; having small, sharp teeth on the margin.



+ Sessile - Applied to a leaf or flower where the footstalk (petiole

or pedicel) is lacking.



+ Sheath - In grasses, the lower part of the leaf which surrounds the

stem.



+ Simple - (leaf) With the leaf blade all in one piece; not divided

into separate leaflets.



+ Sinuate - Wavy, referring usually to the margin of a leaf.



+ Sinus - Open space between two lobes or divisions; used in the

description of leaves.



+ Smooth - Without roughness or pubescence.



+ Spatulate - (leaf) Spatula-shaped; gradually narrowed from a rounded

summit.



+ Species - A distinct kind of plant, such as wheat, alfalfa,

buckhorn, plantain, common ragweed. Definite variations within a

species are varieties - Trumbull wheat, Ranger alfalfa.



+ Spike - A flower-cluster or type of inflorescence in which the

individual flowers are sessile on a central axis, as in the common

plantain.



+ Spikelet - Any small spike; the unit of inflorescence in grasses,

often provided with a small pedicel. Each spikelet consists of one or

more (usually several) florets.



+ Spine - A sharp rigid outgrowth from the stem, or sometimes from the

midrib of a leaf.



+ Spinulose - Minutely spiny.



+ Spur - A hollow, tubular projection from some part of a flower, very

conspicuous in wild columbine; usually secreting nectar to induce the

visitation of insects.



+ Stamen - A pollen-bearing organ in a flower, consisting of an anther

(pollen-sac), borne usually on a slender stalk (filament).



+ Staminate - Having stamens only. Referring to flowers lacking

functional pistils.



+ Stellate - Star-shaped.



+ Sterile - (shoots). Those that do not produce flowers.



+ Stigma - That part of the pistil (usually the summit) to which

pollen adheres, effecting fertilization.



+ Stipule - An appendage (usually in two's when present) borne at the

base of a petiole.



+ Stolon - A horizontal stem running on the surface of the soil,

usually rooting at the joints.



+ Striation - Fine longitudinal line or streak.



+ Style - Portion of the pistil between the stigma and the ovary.



+ Succulent - Juicy; containing a high percentage of water.



+ Taproot - A single primary root that usually tapers below, often

fleshy and food storing.



+ Tendril - A thread-like body associated with a stem or leaf,

enabling the plant to cling to a support, as in the grape-vine.



+ Terete - May apply to any structure (usually stems) in which a

transverse section is circular.



+ Terminal - Belonging to the end of a branch or stem, as a terminal

shoot.



+ Tomentose - A form of pubescence in which the hairs are rather long,

soft and tending to be matted.



+ Torus - The enlarged end of the flower-stalk, on which the organs of

the flowers are borne.



+ Trifoliolate - Having three leaflets.



+ Tuber - A subterranean food-storing organ, often with distinct buds

or eyes, but representing, at least, a rather short, condensed type of

underground stem.



+ Tubercle - A small excrescence or papilla-like structure.



+ Tumble weed - A name applied to plants that break away from the

ground, usually at or near the surface, at the end of the growing

season, and are often blown considerable distances, scattering seeds

as they travel.



+ Umbel - A type of inflorescence in which the flower-stalks

(peduncles or pedicels) arise in a cluster from the same point.



+ Underground stem - a rhizome.



+ Unisexual - One sex; used in connection with flowers that have only

stamens, or only pistils.



+ Valve - One of the pieces into which a pod splits at maturity.



+ Whorl - An arrangement of leaves, buds, or flowers at one point

around a stem, normally at a node.



+ Wooly - Clothed with long, usually matted hairs.



END.



Margie



Rare Books and Plant Clip Art







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Subject: Re: Reindeer moss

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 02:17:28 GMT

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As far as I know the Laps use it to feed their reindeer.





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Subject: Re: Reindeer moss

From: geraldine@clara.stockingnet

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 13:14:45 GMT

--------

On 6 Apr 1998 02:17:28 GMT, levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044) wrote:



>As far as I know the Laps use it to feed their reindeer.



Not since Chernobyl, I believe.



ISTR seeing a TV programme here in the UK which said that Reindeer

Moss hoards radioactivity more than other vegetation, and thus the

Lapps are no longer allowed to eat their reindeer meat, to their great

disgust.



Regards,



Geraldine





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Subject: Beating the Heat

From: "Sam, the Giant" <scwhite@korrnet.org>

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:20:35 -0400

--------

A Dhaoine Uaisle,



	Does anyone on this newsgroup know of any herbs good for raising a

person's heat tolerance?  Even after 20 years in the South I still find

the Summer Heat unbearable.  What I am most interested in (In The Best Of

All Possible Worlds) is something I can add to my morning vitamin

supplements (which already includes several herbs).

	Please post any responses to the newsgroup.



Mise le meas,

Sam, the Giant

 

********************************************

That which does not kill us,

Only makes life more interesting.

********************************************







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Subject: Re: Beating the Heat

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 05:57:01 -0700

--------

"Sam, the Giant" <scwhite@korrnet.org> wrote:



>A Dhaoine Uaisle,

>

>	Does anyone on this newsgroup know of any herbs good for raising a

>person's heat tolerance?  Even after 20 years in the South I still find

>the Summer Heat unbearable.



  Anything that promotes good peripheral circulation would help,

but physiologically the deep South is at the limits of human

comfort.

  Drink LOTS of water (plain water - not sodas), don't smoke

(closes peripheral blood vessels), dress in light absorbent cloth

like linen or cotton, and don't overexert.  Lose weight, if you

are overweight, and exercise moderately all year.

  People in good physical condition tolerate heat better than

those out of shape.  Obese people tolerate it the least, because

they have the insulating layer of fat.



  AVOID: Imodium (stops perspiration), alcohol (dehydrates you),

and excessively salted foods.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Beating the Heat

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:11:15 -0500

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

 

> "Sam, the Giant" <scwhite@korrnet.org> wrote:

 

> >A Dhaoine Uaisle,



> > Does anyone on this newsgroup know of any herbs good for raising a

> > person's heat tolerance?  Even after 20 years in the South I still 

> > find the Summer Heat unbearable.

> 

> Anything that promotes good peripheral circulation would help, but 

> physiologically the deep South is at the limits of human comfort.



Urban legend has it that, in the days before air conditioning, the

British Empire accorded the same level of hazard pay for duty in 

Houston as it did for Bombay.



-Kyra [who likes ceiling fans....]





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Subject: Re: Beating the Heat

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 16:42:32 -0400

--------

> Does anyone on this newsgroup know of any herbs good for raising a

> person's heat tolerance?  Even after 20 years in the South I still

> find the Summer Heat unbearable.





In general, members of the melon family (cucurbitaceae) have been widely

used in a number of cultures for reducing the effects of heat.  It is

interesting, in fact, that some of the more bitter (and non-sweet),

"inedible" members of the family are used in traditional Chinese medicine

for reducing the heat in fevers, and even found helpful in the treatment of

malaria.  The more familiar watermelons, honeydews, etc. have been employed

wherever they are found growing to help alleviate the effects of summer

heat.  Even cucumbers, another family member, are recommended in European

tradition to reduce heat, and the juice is applied to sunburns for the same

effect.



Of course, many people have found the juices of fruits high in citric acids,

like lemonade, to be helpful.  This doesn't mean the artificial powdered or

bottle crap sold as "lemonade" in the stores these days!  Make it yourself -

it's really no harder than mixing up an herb tea, and more pleasent to drink

than some.  Just use pure water, fresh squeezed lemon or lime juice, and

just enough sugar or honey to make it palatable.  And don't try to see ow

many lemons you can get down at once - that will just make it harder to

drink, and you will be less likely to keep it up.  Make it tasty enough to

become a habit (without being sweet enough to cause other problems).



Hope this helps.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Beating the Heat

From: "CHARLES D WARD" <HERBMAN1@prodigy.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:38:25 -0400

--------

Richard have you tried the herb ......Yucca.... it grows in the dessert and

from what i am told helps people adapt to the heat... good luck.

Dwayne



Richard Ogden wrote in message <6gm00n$18u@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

>> Does anyone on this newsgroup know of any herbs good for raising a

>> person's heat tolerance?  Even after 20 years in the South I still

>> find the Summer Heat unbearable.

>

>











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Subject: Re: Beating the Heat

From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:17:36 -0800

--------

In article <6h6f0s$72h6$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "CHARLES D WARD"

<HERBMAN1@prodigy.net> wrote:



#Richard have you tried the herb ......Yucca.... it grows in the dessert and

#from what i am told helps people adapt to the heat... good luck.

#Dwayne

#

#Richard Ogden wrote in message <6gm00n$18u@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

#>> Does anyone on this newsgroup know of any herbs good for raising a

#>> person's heat tolerance?  Even after 20 years in the South I still

#>> find the Summer Heat unbearable.

#>

#>



Try drinking a minimum of 2-qts of plain old _water_ (not 'fluids' or

'liquids') every day, if you are bothered by the heat...you could be

chronically dehydrated. Drink more H20 if you use any diuretic

drugs/herbs/alcohol.



Good luck,



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance





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Subject: Re: Beating the Heat

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 16:51:34 -0700

--------

I have a very hard time usually with the hot dry heat of Southern

California.   I have found that if I drink  at least 128oz of water with

just a slice of lemon in the water it helps me to tolerate the heat

beater.



J9





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Subject: Re: Beating the Heat

From: mk95528@cyberramp.net (Margie's Plant Clip Art)

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:29:58 GMT

--------

Ever heard the saying cool as a cucumber? In antiquity, Americans

planted cantalopes, cucumbers, and watermelons in the fields to eat to

cool themselves down and give strength on those hard hot days of work.

Instead of just water to quench, they instead chose to eat and drink

the live water from these sources. Not only was it handy, but they

found they felt better in the bargain.

Another thing they learned to do long ago is run cool water or use a

wet towel over the wrists, neck, etc., getting immediate relief from

the heat. As far as herbs, a warm cup of herb tea in the afternoon,

especially when really hot out, cant hurt. 



Good Luck

Margie

Rare Books/Plant Clip Art

     



On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 00:20:35 -0400, "Sam, the Giant"

<scwhite@korrnet.org> wrote:



>A Dhaoine Uaisle,

>

>	Does anyone on this newsgroup know of any herbs good for raising a

>person's heat tolerance?  Even after 20 years in the South I still find

>the Summer Heat unbearable.  What I am most interested in (In The Best Of

>All Possible Worlds) is something I can add to my morning vitamin

>supplements (which already includes several herbs).

>	Please post any responses to the newsgroup.

>

>Mise le meas,

>Sam, the Giant

> 

>********************************************

>That which does not kill us,

>Only makes life more interesting.

>********************************************







==========

Subject: Re: Beating the Heat

From: Ggrrr@pop3.concentric.net

Date: 09 Apr 1998 11:21:18 EDT

--------

I live in Chicago where we kill 500 people a year with the heat, one would

think that this far north it wouldnt be so bad but I've been to Mississippi in

July and prefer THAT.  Anyway I find that citrus juices and oils really help.

Constantly drinking lemon or limeade and grapefruit juice, unsweeted keeps me

from clawing off my skin.  Also you can make a EO infusion, keep it in a spray

bottle and mist yourself constantly.  Use 10 drops each of citronella, lime,

peppermint, and grapefruit oils in about 2 quarts of water and keep the

container in the fridge.  The citronella will help keep the buggies away too.

Hope this helps.

                Mar



Sam, the Giant wrote:



> A Dhaoine Uaisle,

>

>         Does anyone on this newsgroup know of any herbs good for raising a

> person's heat tolerance?  Even after 20 years in the South I still find

> the Summer Heat unbearable.  What I am most interested in (In The Best Of

> All Possible Worlds) is something I can add to my morning vitamin

> supplements (which already includes several herbs).

>         Please post any responses to the newsgroup.

>

> Mise le meas,

> Sam, the Giant

>

> ********************************************

> That which does not kill us,

> Only makes life more interesting.

> ********************************************











==========

Subject: Re: Beating the Heat

From: "Evelyn Rainey" <EJRainey@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 21:55:50 -0700

--------

In general, things that will reduce your blood pressure or your weight (fat

is such a 'wonderful' insulation)  will also increase your body's tolerance

for the heat . . .



skinny-dipping in the rain doesn't hurt either



EnJoy the Earth,

ej





Sam, the Giant wrote in message ...

>A Dhaoine Uaisle,

>

> Does anyone on this newsgroup know of any herbs good for raising a

>person's heat tolerance?  Even after 20 years in the South I still find

>the Summer Heat unbearable.  What I am most interested in (In The Best Of

>All Possible Worlds) is something I can add to my morning vitamin

>supplements (which already includes several herbs).

> Please post any responses to the newsgroup.

>

>Mise le meas,

>Sam, the Giant

>

>********************************************

>That which does not kill us,

>Only makes life more interesting.

>********************************************

>









==========

Subject: Re: Beating the Heat

From: "Wolf-Spider!" <wolfspider@bigfoot.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:44:51 -0400

--------

The eating of very hot spices is a practice that goes back more then three

thousand years. also drink plenty of water and eat food with high water

content like melons.

Sam, the Giant wrote in message ...

>A Dhaoine Uaisle,

>

> Does anyone on this newsgroup know of any herbs good for raising a

>person's heat tolerance?  Even after 20 years in the South I still find

>the Summer Heat unbearable.  What I am most interested in (In The Best Of

>All Possible Worlds) is something I can add to my morning vitamin

>supplements (which already includes several herbs).

> Please post any responses to the newsgroup.

>

>Mise le meas,

>Sam, the Giant

>

>********************************************

>That which does not kill us,

>Only makes life more interesting.

>********************************************

>









==========

Subject: Re: St Johns Wort and Depression

From: Cooper@wordshop.demon.co.uk (Gary Cooper)

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 98 10:34:29 GMT

--------

In article <6g94rl$kb5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> lksgood@mailexcite.com  writes:



> 

> GET ST. JOHN'S WORT FROM LOOKSGOOD.COM





<snipped>



I do hope that anyone brave enough to self-medicate with 

SJW makes a deliberate point of *not* buying from these

vampires. Commercial Spamming is killing Usenet but

do they care? Nope.. not if they can make money before

it collapses.



-- 

Gary Cooper







==========

Subject: Re: St Johns Wort and Depression

From: profwdesk1@aol.com (ProfWdesk1)

Date: 9 Apr 1998 02:14:39 GMT

--------

I'd stick with a quality brand from your local health food store.  Solaray

works really well with me.  I also heard that Zand and Source Naturals is

pretty good.





==========

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba Supplements DEJA NEWS HEADER LESSON

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 05:51:00 -0700

--------

When you see SPAM from DejaNews, don't worry.  The source of the 

spam is easy to trace:

   Look for the NNTP-Posting-Host line.

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>Lines: 45

>Message-ID: <6g96da$m5i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>

>NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.103.61.239



Then go to here:

http://www.blighty.com/spam/spade.html



and ask Sam Spade for a "whois" on the numbers that DejaNews gave

you.  Voila'  you have a complaint address.  and the jerk was

using the company computers to spam from.





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(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: HERBS TO SPEED UP YOUR MATABILISM

From: hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 13:47:16 GMT

--------



     Could anyone recommend any that is safe with hardley any or no side

effect?  thank you.



  Raven at    raven_d@hotmail.com







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Subject: Re: HERBS TO SPEED UP YOUR MATABILISM

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:13:11 GMT

--------

On 6 Apr 1998 13:47:16 GMT, hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>

>     Could anyone recommend any that is safe with hardley any or no side

>effect?  thank you.



Coffee.



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: HERBS TO SPEED UP YOUR MATABILISM

From: hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 19:51:06 GMT

--------



     Coffee?  Really? How does that speed up your matabilism?  I've been

drinking it for years and all it does is put my nerves in a knot.



   Raven at   raven_d@hotmail.com









==========

Subject: Re: HERBS TO SPEED UP YOUR MATABILISM

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:25:52 -0400

--------

Henriette Kress wrote in message <352e600d.4876131@news.theriver.com>...

>On 6 Apr 1998 13:47:16 GMT, hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>

>>     Could anyone recommend any that is safe with hardley any or no side

>>effect?  thank you.

>

>Coffee.



Yeah, but coffee is too general a stimulant to be a truly effective

metabolic simulant, IMHO.  Ask any coffee drinker (myself included) about

the "down" following the caffeine high.



-Rich











==========

Subject: Re: HERBS TO SPEED UP YOUR MATABILISM

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 7 Apr 1998 00:44:44 GMT

--------



HotEsct4U wrote in message

<1998040613471600.JAA29980@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>

>     Could anyone recommend any that is safe with hardley any or no side

>effect?  thank you.

>

>  Raven at    raven_d@hotmail.com

>



Dear Raven,



The old adage about no side effect, no upfront effect either, is definitely

true.   I know that Ma Huang (chinese ephedra) is supposed to crank up the

metabolism, but it has nasty side effects that can be very dangerous.



What I would suggest for you to do in the kind of herbs you are seeking, is

to switch to using only tinctures rather than capsules or dry herbs.   The

reason being that you can use tiny amounts and build up the dosage till you

find the level of dosage most effective for you with the least negative

effects.   I have found this works well for me.



An interesting aside..... a chiropractor friend of mine who is "into"

natural products, tells me that side effects are actually a very good

sign.... It means that your body is still "talking" to you.   He says that

the one who gets no side effects from any medication or herb has usually

gone into the level where your natural protection and immune systems are not

functioning up to par, and that means greater vulnerability to illness.



Regards,

Evelyn









==========

Subject: Re: HERBS TO SPEED UP YOUR MATABILISM

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 07:29:33 GMT

--------

On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:49:05 GMT, Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>On 7 Apr 1998 00:44:44 GMT, "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

>wrote:

>

>>An interesting aside..... a chiropractor friend of mine who is "into"

>>natural products, tells me that side effects are actually a very good

>>sign.... It means that your body is still "talking" to you.   He says that

>>the one who gets no side effects from any medication or herb has usually

>>gone into the level where your natural protection and immune systems are not

>>functioning up to par, and that means greater vulnerability to illness.

h

This sounds like twaddle. Side effects mean a) the herb doesn't fit you or b)

you are taking a way too high dose of it.



Picturing side effects, like eczema, headache, pain in the gut, and so forth, as

something good sounds truly evil to me.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: HERBS TO SPEED UP YOUR MATABILISM

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 20:50:01 -0700

--------

hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) wrote:



>

>     Could anyone recommend any that is safe with hardley any or no side

>effect?  thank you.

  Raven - 

Anything that is able to muck about with your metabolism is

certainly  going to have side effects:

  Jitters, high blood pressure, cranky moods, insomnia ... take

your pick.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Re: HERBS TO SPEED UP YOUR MATABILISM

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:18:32 -0400

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <352aa0ba.10773373@news.primenet.com>...

>hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) wrote:

>

>>

>>     Could anyone recommend any that is safe with hardley any or no side

>>effect?  thank you.

>  Raven -

>Anything that is able to muck about with your metabolism is

>certainly  going to have side effects:

>  Jitters, high blood pressure, cranky moods, insomnia ... take

>your pick.

>

>Callie

>Callie @-sign writepage.com

>(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

> But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)



Callie, you may be confusing "metabolism" with "energy".  Many strong

stimulants will also tend to speed up metabolism, at least temporarily

(until exhaustion sets in), but that is a different effect.  The most widely

accepted method of safely increasing metabolic rate (the rate at which the

body uses energy) is regular vigorous exercise, and I can assure you that

does not make you jittery or cranky or cause high blood pressure or

insomnia - quite the opposite!



-Rich











==========

Subject: HELP!! looking for info on the Neem Tree!!

From: reebootn@aol.com (Reebootn)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 13:50:53 GMT

--------

 Can anyone help? This tree is native to India, labeled "Gods' pharmacy" Was

also the only green thing left untouched during locust plauge. Any response is

appreciated. Thanks.

                                              ~Melody~





==========

Subject: Re: HELP!! looking for info on the Neem Tree!!

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 22:53:55 GMT

--------

reebootn@aol.com (Reebootn) wrote:



> Can anyone help? 



Use?  Leaves taken internally - antiparasitic, antibacterial,

antiviral, and antifungal.  Oil used externally - same uses,

but also healing to skin.  This assumes pure oil, not an

alcohol based product.



The oil can be used in most of the same applications for 

tea tree oil, and more because it is a non-irritating (even to

membranes) soothing thick oil (unlike tea tree oil, which 

can burn the skin used straight up and should never

be applied anywhere near a mucous membrane.)  Only 

problem  is it does not smell good (but not as fragrant 

as tea tree.) 



I used a few drops of oil mixed in an ounce of strong

(homemade) colloidal silver as a disinfectant nose spray

and it works very well.  It can be used as a topical

on cuts, and like tea tree, on any fungal infection.



The oil may turn out to be very useful to prevent disease

transmission (parasitic, viral, fungal, and bacterial) between sex

partners and one company even makes a neem oil 

based lubricant cream for this purpose called Safe Sex.  

The straight oil can be used instead and is probably 

more effective.  It is also spermicidal, so can be used

as an adjunct to birth control.  I recommend it in my 

candida regimen to be used in this manner.



I occasionally take neem leaf capsules for a maintenance

antiparasitic, and recommend  them a lot since they are 

probably the most effective  broad spectrum internal 

antipathogenic for the money.  They are somewhat

effective as "male birth control" since they decrease

sperm counts without affecting libido and may turn out

as the basis for another conventional male "pill".



The best thing about it is it is now more widely available at 

herb shops in the US.  Nature's Herbs and a couple other

companies now carry capsules for a reasonable cost (when

before you were forced to use the bulk leaves which, while

inexpensive, were impossible to take without encapsulating

since it is one of the most bitter herbs.)  Not even locusts

will eat it, as you note.



I was recently paying big bucks (>$12/oz) for 

the stuff from the UK, but there is now a source for incredibly

fresh oil in the US, much better than what I was getting for $12 

and for about 1/8 the cost.  The pressing date, expiration

date, and potency is stated on the bottle.



US$6 for 4 ounces plus US$2.25  shipping from



Usha Rao

The Ahimsa Alternative, Inc.

416 N.W. 38th Street

Oklahoma City, OK 73118

(405) 521-9045

rao@icon.net



I am not associated with Usha, just very happy she's selling

it at a reasonable cost here in the states.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: HELP!! looking for info on the Neem Tree!!

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 21:48:03 GMT

--------

'budding herbalist' <herbal@thewoods.org> wrote:

>http://www.libertynatural.com

>They have 2 neem oils listed; cold pressed & hand pressed.  Could

>someone please explain the difference? 



The hand pressed does not get as hot during processing, so perhaps

a bit more active ingredients are included which are typically

broken down by heat.



Hand pressing is done by grinding the seeds, and squeezing

the bolus until drops of oil form on the outside, and letting them

drip off.  



> The hand pressed is about double

>the price of the cold pressed.  Is it worth it?



I doubt it.  If it is assayed for potency (like the product I

mentioned), you could easily tell.



turf







==========

Subject: Toenail Fungus - can it be cured with herbs?

From: Vicky Rowe <marsaili@spamwich.bigfoot.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:08:52 -0400

--------

Hi folx!



Well, somehow I managed to contract a toenail fungus, the one that makes

the nail all yellow and scrinched looking. I made up a concoction from

'Herbal Health for Women' which included myrrh, olive oil, and several

other things (sorry, my book is at home). Nasty black goopy stuff, I put

it on the toe and cover with a sock. Don't know yet if it'll work....



Question: Have any of you a remedy that works for this problem? Any

input would be appreciated......



vicky

-- 

Wassail!



vicky

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Subject: Re: Toenail Fungus - can it be cured with herbs?

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 17:52:16 GMT

--------

Vicky



tea tree oil is an antiifungal and ive known those who swear by it for toenail

fugus specifically





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







==========

Subject: Re: Toenail Fungus - can it be cured with herbs?

From: Vicky Rowe <marsaili@spamwich.bigfoot.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 10:38:22 -0400

--------

JiaStar wrote:

> 

> Vicky

> 

> tea tree oil is an antiifungal and ive known those who swear by it for toenail

> fugus specifically

> 

> Blessed Be

> Jia Starsong

> Celestial Creations

> http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

> Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more



thanks jia. any idea how often it should be applied per day? or if the

amount is specific? and should the toe be covered/bandaged in some way

to ensure the oil staying on.....



Thanks again...

-- 

Wassail!



vicky

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==========

Subject: Re: Toenail Fungus - can it be cured with herbs?

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukrotweiler>

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:09:10 +0100

--------

In article <3528E1F4.13E3@spamwich.bigfoot.com>, Vicky Rowe <marsaili@sp

amwich.bigfoot.com> writes

>Hi folx!

>

>Well, somehow I managed to contract a toenail fungus, the one that makes

>the nail all yellow and scrinched looking. I made up a concoction from

>'Herbal Health for Women' which included myrrh, olive oil, and several

>other things (sorry, my book is at home). Nasty black goopy stuff, I put

>it on the toe and cover with a sock. Don't know yet if it'll work....

>

>Question: Have any of you a remedy that works for this problem? Any

>input would be appreciated......

>

>vicky



Any "fungus" will be difficult to get rid of. 



Tea Tree (Melaleuca alternifolia), Manuka (Leptospermum scoparium), or

Tagettes (Tagetes glandulifera) essential oil(s) are what are used in

Aromatherapy. 



I would use tea tree or manuka as it is ok to use neat ..

EVERY day wash and dry the feet and apply a couple of drops of the EO

and massage into the area of the toes and between the toes. I would go

barefoot as much as possible as the fungus likes warm damp places to

grow in. If you want to get rid of this then it will take six months of

application for it to be gone properly. So even if it "looks" as though

it has gone continue to apply the oils.



I would swop oils after a few weeks and use the Marigold Tagettes 5% in

a carrier oil for a few weeks. To increase the efficacy of the Tea tree

or manuka.





-- 

Graham Sorenson      South Wales, UK.

The Guide to Aromatherapy AND nearly 600 links to other Aromatherapy web sites,

Plus Lots of links to other alternative health sites.

http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/





==========

Subject: Re: finding ginseng

From: reebootn@aol.com (Reebootn)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 14:21:51 GMT

--------

Ive been reseeding,hunting and harvesting wild 'seng for years.If I can help

any just let me know.

                                                  ~Melody~





==========

Subject: Turkey Rhubarb

From: gregbravo@aol.com (GregBravo)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 15:23:09 GMT

--------

Cann anyone tell me about the use of Turkey Rhubarb?  Is it addictive if you

take it for a long time? What does it do?  What;s The proper dosage?  I heard

it helps in constipation...





GregBravo@aol.com





==========

Subject: Re: Turkey Rhubarb

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:38:20 -0400

--------

GregBravo wrote:

> 

> Cann anyone tell me about the use of Turkey Rhubarb?  Is it addictive if you

> take it for a long time? What does it do?  What;s The proper dosage?  I heard

> it helps in constipation...

> 

> GregBravo@aol.com





Here's some info to help you:



Turkey Rhubarb (Rheum palmatum).



We have all eaten Rhubarb. Its red, bittersweet stems are to be found in

supermarket produce shelves each spring. We also eat rhubarb pie, jams

and pudding. The Turkey Rhubarb is a member of the rhubarb family with

roots, which contain a particularly strong and desirable potency.



The Turkey Rhubarb grows in China. The roots are harvested when the

plants are at least six years old. This imported product has more

potency than our native rhubarb. Rene Caisse began her Essiac work using

the domestic rhubarb root, later

discovering that the imported variety was more potent. However, most of

the Turkey Rhubarb, which is now imported into this country is

irradiated, which destroys many of its curative properties. So native

rhubarb is now once again the rhubarb of choice for your Essiac blend.



When rhubarb root is unavailable, the yellow dock root (Rumex crispus)

may be substituted in the Essiac formula. It, like rhubarb, acts as a

purgative.



You can read all about this herb - one of the ingredients in Essiac Tea

- at this website:



http://www.essiacsource.com/report.html



Hope this helps.

Fidget





==========

Subject: Re: Turkey Rhubarb

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 14:54:59 -0500

--------

Fidget,

The Turkey Rhubarb you wrote about is what I thought the original poster wanted information on, too. (Rheum palmatum)



Here is some more information for you, Greg.....

Key Actions:

Laxative

Constipating

Astringent

Eases stomach pain

Antibacterial



Key Constituents:

Anthraquinones (about 3 to 5+ACU-)

Flavonoids (catechin)

Phenolic acids

Tannins ( 5-10+ACU-)

Calcium oxalate



Related Species:

R. tanguticum and R. officale have similar uses to R. palmatum. These 3 species are considered to be superior to other rhubarbs. The familiar, edible rhubarb is R. rhaponticum.



Traditional and Current Uses:

History--Chinese rhubarb was first mentioned in the first century AD Chinese classic Materia Medica and has been grown in the West since 1732. It is one of the relatively few herbs still used today in conventional as well as herbal medicine, and is listed in the British Pharmacopoeia of 1988.

Constipation--Large doses of Chinese rhubarb are combined with carminitive herbs and taken as a laxative, helping to clear the colon without causing excessive cramps. This is useful for treating constipation where the muscles of the large bowel are weak.

Diarrhea--Small doses of the root are astringent, relieving irritation of the inner lining of the gut, thus reducing diarrhea.

Other uses--The herb can be applied to burns, boils, and carbuncles. It is a tonic and mild appetite stimulant and is a useful mouthwash for canker sores.



Research:

Anthraquinones and tannins--Chinese rhubarb's medicinal value is largely due to the irritant, laxative, and purgative properties of the anthraquinones and in large doses the rhizome is strongly laxative. The high levels of tannins in the herb, however, counterbalance the laxative action, and it has been demonstrated that in small doses the tannins predominate, causing a constipating effect.

Antibacterial--Decoctions of the root have been shown to be effective against Staphylococcus aureus, an infectious bacterium that causes canker sores and folliculitis (an acne-type infection of the beard area).



Kay 

 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: garlic oil

From: nobody@REPLAY.COM (Anonymous)

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 18:53:07 +0200 (MET DST)

--------

I have recently used garlic oil in my ears for the first time, and have 

a few questions for any longterm users out there.



Due to a number of "detoxifying" agents I was using I developed a severe 

tinnitus.  (This has happened innumerable times in the past, so I was 

not concerned.)  However, I was curious what impact garlic oil might 

have and so I picked up a generic (cheap) brand of garlic oil capsules.



One night I punctured one of the capsules, and squeezed the contents 

into my left ear, where the tinnitus is always "furiously" worse.  

Within about 5 minutes I had an awful itching sensation in my ear, which 

within ten minutes was SO severe, I got up and removes as much of the 

oil from my ear as possible, using q-tips.



About 45 minutes later, I got severe sinus aches, especially on the left 

side.  I presume some of the garlic oil actually created this 

impact....which surprised me as I have had no "allergy" symptoms in over 

two years.  But I definitely had aching draining sinuses.



The next morning when I awoke, I was startled that the shreaking whistle 

in my left ear had diminished some 85%.  As I started my day, this 

absence of left ear tinnitus was very disconcerting, because it made my 

right ear tinnitus very LOUD --- which I am not accustomed to, because 

the left is usually the loudest blaring din.



I took another capsule and inserted the contents in my right ear, which 

did not get the ITCHY sensation until some 30 minutes later, when I 

removed the oil, once again with q-tips.  With the right ear 

application, I noticed the taste of garlic oil in my throat about ten 

minutes before I removed it.



But, geeeeez:  the STENCH!!!!



How safe is garlic oil to use in the ears on a regular ("preventative") 

basis?



HOW does one eradicate the stench????  (i.e., is it most wise to simply 

wait it out, as opposed to using an OTC ear cleaner?)



Is it safe to put ANY oregano oil in the ear?  My husband has read that 

some research studies indicate that oregano oil is VERY bacteriocidal.  

Is it TOO strong to use in the ear???  I used such a cheap storebrand of 

garlic oil and experienced some strong effective results.



What damage might essential oils do to the inner ear?????



Any annecdotal experiences of your own that you'd care to share?  I had 

been concerned about the outer ear being a good breeding ground for 

anaerobic bacteria, so I'd been keeping my ears covered.  However, about 

a week after doing this my husband became very concerned when he noticed 

BRIGHT red dots beginning to form and expand --- which I seriously do 

not believe to be due to an "allergic skin" reaction, so we are both 

interested in the internal application of essential oils....



Thanks for any comments.



Cordially,



Rosie



 



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==========

Subject: Re: Herbs for Teen with ADD with depression

From: thosmcg@aol.com (Thosmcg)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 16:56:06 GMT

--------

In article <3521205d.2453273@news.oasistech.com>, mwelch@oasistech.com writes:



>She has become very depressed and I need some relief.

>Please someone tell me what I can use?

>

>



Michele:



My son now almost 19 was given Ritalin for ADD and also suffered depression. We

assumed the the depression was caused by his "coming down" off of the drug. We

counteracted this low by encouraging him to take caffiene like cola or tea

about an hour before the medication started to wear off which was usually about

an hour after school. (10mg 2X a day). 



last year he was rediagnosed as suffering from depression and the meds were

changed to zoloft.  I still can't get the doctors to admit that kids are

diagnosed as ADD and the same kids as they grow up are diognosed as suffering

from depression.



His school work and achievement are the same under either drug.



Best Regards!  Tom 





==========

Subject: Post-nasal drip

From: Chantria@webtv.net (Vanessa Mullins)

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 13:22:57 -0400

--------

I have two kids with year round post nasal drip.  I would like to try

some herbal remedies but don't know what to use.  Thanks!





==========

Subject: Re: Post-nasal drip

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 7 Apr 1998 00:34:48 GMT

--------



Vanessa Mullins wrote in message

<6gb31h$dmh$1@newsd-122.bryant.webtv.net>...

I have two kids with year round post nasal drip.  I would like to try

some herbal remedies but don't know what to use.  Thanks!





Dear Vanessa,



I would try my sinus remedy which I have posted several times.    It is all

natural and cannot harm anyone unless they had a particular allergy for one

of the herbs.



10 drops golden seal tincture

10 drops nettle

10 drops echinacea

10 drops astragalus.



the echinacea and astragalus are sort of natural antibiotic like products,

actually best described as immune boosters.   They are very effective

against the kind of bacteria which cause those kind of problems.



The nettle is an antihistimine, the golden seal is an immune booster too,

but has the quality of drying up the mucus somewhat.



I would put these in some water at bedtime and let them sip it.   It does

not taste nice, but it is certainly better than using over the counter

drugs.



It is also suggested that you use a saline spray AM and PM to rinse away the

dust and allergens that cause these lingering infections and irritations

that cause that drip.



Keeping the house especially free of dust and allergenic products might also

be  helpful.     Don't forget that milk and milk products have been found to

increase these sort of problems rather a lot also.



Hope this helps.   Getting the kids to understand that it might not taste

good but that is not the purpose of the concoction is important too.   Do

not let them gulp it down.  it must be sipped.



Regards,

Evelyn









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Subject: Re: Post-nasal drip

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:47:57 -0400

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Vanessa Mullins wrote:

> 

> I have two kids with year round post nasal drip.  I would like to try

> some herbal remedies but don't know what to use.  Thanks!





The herb store I frequent has various (liquid) extracts made

specifically for children.  I'm not sure, but Fenu-Thyme seems to be

helping a friend of mine who suffers terribly with this. Maybe they make

it in child dosage...not sure. A good herbal store will be able to help

you.



Fidget





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To: Vanessa Mullins <Chantria@webtv.net>

Subject: Re: Post-nasal drip

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 08:36:18 -0700

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Is the PN drip clear or colored?  Keep in mind that it very well may be

an allergic response.  Do you have birds, cats, etc?  Use non-irritating

cleaners, like hot water and vinegar around the house, use dye free,

fragrance free detergents.  And if possible, wait thru the season changes

(unless you suspect an infection).  Pollen and mold are supposed to be

real buggers this year.  If these measures don't help, I would suggest

having your Primary Care Physician  recommend an allergist.  Then you

know what to treat for allergies/sinus infections/ or whatever the case

may be.  I've read some herbs (can't think of which ones) are bad for

allergies.  Also, keep in mind, doses for children will be different than

for adults.  In the Book "Sinus Survival" there are charts w/what to take

for allergies, asthma, and sinusitis, and it has both children and adult

doses.  If you want this info. let me know and I'll look it up.  Best of

luck

June



Vanessa Mullins wrote:



> I have two kids with year round post nasal drip.  I would like to try

> some herbal remedies but don't know what to use.  Thanks!











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Subject: Recipes using Stevioside as Alternative/Medicinal Sweetener ?

From: guarani@uconect.net

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 12:48:38 -0600

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I am interested in recipes to cook (confectionery-dairy-frozen

desserts)

with

Stevioside as alternative natural n the world.  I have some recipes as

well. Should anybody be interested, contact me as well. Peace. Blas



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Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:01:42 -0500

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I'm not sure if this is what you want, but here are three different recipes I have from Jude Williams, Master Herbalist. The last one is a dye for Brunettes.



Darkens Hair:

Pour 1 cup of boiling water over 3 Tablespoons of rosemary. Let stand overnight. Strain and add as a final rinse. This also enhances curly hair. As a bonus, it really makes the hair glossy and leaves a nice smell.



Darkens Gray Hair:

To darken gray hair, pour 1 cup boiling water over 4 Tablespoons of dried sage. Let steep overnight. Combine with 1 cup commercial tea and work into hair every night until desired color is reached. Native Americans have used sage tea as a treatment for gray hair for centuries.



Hair Coloring For Brunettes:

Mix together 1/4 cup of powdered chamomile and 1/2 cup of powdered henna. Add just enough boiling water to make a paste along with 1 Tablespoon of vinegar. Allow the paste to cool. Put on rubber gloves before massaging into clean wet hair. Be sure to comb the paste through the hair and apply it evenly. Pile up the hair and cover it with a plastic bag. Wrap a thick towel over the plastic to hold in the heat. Leave on at least 30 minutes. Remove towel and rinse hair until the water runs clear. Allow to dry in sunshine. Any stains on the face or hands can be removed with lemon juice. This mixture has a tendency to add red overtones to the hair, so you may want to pre-test it. Do not use if you have white, blond, or gray hair as it will turn those colors a brassy orange. It does add nice highlights to dark brunettes.

Hope that helps you out.



Kay





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Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: rblack@planet.earthcom.net

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 10:53:56 GMT

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On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 14:01:42 -0500, "slade or kay henson"

<nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote:





>Hair Coloring For Brunettes:

>Mix together 1/4 cup of powdered chamomile and 1/2 cup of powdered =

>henna. Add just enough boiling water to make a paste along with 1 =



>hands can be removed with lemon juice. This mixture has a tendency to =

>add red overtones to the hair, so you may want to pre-test it. Do not =

>use if you have white, blond, or gray hair as it will turn those colors =

>a brassy orange. It does add nice highlights to dark brunettes.

>Hope that helps you out.

>

>Kay

>

I use a henna product available from most healt food stores.  The

henna formula comes is a variety of color ranges.  They also have some

for light color hair.  The company name is Rainbow.  I can't swear

about how it comes out for light hair since I have dark hair, but I

love the red highlights it gives me.  My hair use to have a lot of

them and it seems that the gray hairs pick up the red better.

The only problem with this, is that it is a mess. also a lot more

bother than the chemical dyes, but I think it's worth it.  Henna is

also a great conditioner.

*****************************************************



       Rita B.          To e-mail me, just replace the 

                     Ihatespam with planet in the reply to:





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Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: vitality@gate.net (vitality@gate.net)

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:44:30 GMT

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Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote:



>Once again, I'm quoting my herbalist.  She said taking Kombucha extract

>will get rid of grey hair as well as make the hair shaft thicker and

>fuller looking.  I've started using it, so we'll see how it goes.



>If you're looking to change the color of your hair...sorry.  I use the

>store bought brand. Not thrilled with it, but I refuse to walk around

>with any grey showing.



  I have medium/dark brown hair with about 5-8% grey, and can't use

chemical haircolor products (or perms either) because my hair is

baby-fine and these products cause a significant amount of my hair to

break or burn off at the scalp.  I swear by Herbatint haircolor, which I

get from the health food store.  It is plant-based, odorless, covers the

grey completely and imparts a very healthy looking shine.  It costs

$12.50, but since I wear my hair very short, it is good for about 4

treatments.  It's not messy at all -- they say to wear gloves, but I

sometimes don't and the color in the gel doesn't stain my hands.  It

doesn't look very dark at all when you first mix it.  It takes 1/2 hour

to "work", and intensifies in color as it's left on.  Then you rinse it

out.  Couldn't be easier.

















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Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:51:09 GMT

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>  I have medium/dark brown hair with about 5-8% grey, and can't use

>chemical haircolor products (or perms either) because my hair is

>baby-fine and these products cause a significant amount of my hair to

>break or burn off at the scalp.  I swear by Herbatint haircolor, which I

>get from the health food store.  It is plant-based, odorless, covers the

>grey completely and imparts a very healthy looking shine.  It costs

>$12.50, but since I wear my hair very short, it is good for about 4

>treatments.



Ouch!  I was looking at the Herbatint products last week, and am considering

going back to buy a package tomorrow; I think they run around $7 here, and

the other herbal-based dyes are cheaper, the least expensive being around

$4.50.



Question: Do you use a dye that's roughly the same color as your natural

color, just to cover the grey, or do you modify your color as well?  I'm

wondering if the Herbatint would do a darned thing to lighten my color

slightly - I'm a medium-dark auburn wanting to go medium red, and since

you're the only person on- or off-line I've encountered who's used this

particular product, I thought it might be worth a shot to ask you about it.



Beth









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Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: intikilla@aol.com (Intikilla)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 21:09:51 GMT

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What about Henna?? 

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

Trish

email to: Intikilla@aol.com  

"You must become the change you wish to see in the world."

                                 M.Ghandhi   

   

         









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Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 17 Apr 98 23:52:04 GMT

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Beth Harper <aharper1@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>wondering if the Herbatint would do a darned thing to lighten my color

>slightly - I'm a medium-dark auburn wanting to go medium red, and since

>you're the only person on- or off-line I've encountered who's used this

>particular product, I thought it might be worth a shot to ask you about it.



If you want to lighten a bit, and you ARE interested in it reddening,

then perhaps just try some ordinary medicinal hydrogen peroxide (three

percent).  



That should bring it up a shade or two, and peroxide tends somewhat

toward reddishness (called brassiness when you don't want it).  The kind

of peroxide usually used for lightening hair is five times as strong (15

percent).



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:18:07 GMT

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>Dyes don't *lighten*.  They only add color... unless, of course, the

>color changes due to damage.



<nods> I know that a "dye", per se, does not lighten but only colors; some

of the Clairol dyes contain lightening compounds, and I was wondering if the

Herbatints did as well - different lightening compounds than Clairol, I'd

hope! <G>  As it turned out when I went back to the health-food store, only

the very lightest shades of blonde listed any lightening effect.  I tossed

around the thought of the light copper blonde, and declined.



>If you wish to lighten your dark hair,

>and wish to bring out the red highlights (that are already there,) use

>a final rinse of vinegar (I always use *real* cider vinegar, perhaps

>because that is mostly all *I* have, and get good results.  I can't

>speak as to whether another type would do as well.)  You can also

>use lemon juice, if your hair isn't *real* dark.  You must involve the

>sun, as it is the two, in conjuction, that do the best work.  [snip]



Thanks for the tips!  I used peroxide in high school and never really liked

the results; it brought out highlights that were nore blond than red, which

is exactly what I *don't* want, since any blond in my hair makes it look

mousy brown...  I'm also concerned about a peroxide combined effect with the

neutral henna shampoo I've been using. (does *great* for bringing out the

highlights, but actually seems to darken it a little too.)  I will

definitely try the vinegar and lemon juice, and I'll be spending a great

deal of time outdoors in the next few weeks anyway.



Beth









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Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: belinda.hard@edwards.boc.com

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:35:33 -0600

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 You can also use lemon juice, if your hair isn't *real* dark.	You must

involve the sun, as it is the two, in conjuction, that do the best work.



I want to lighten my hair. Do I wash it as normal, then cover in lemon juice

and rinse off or leave on to dry?



Thanks,



Belle



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Subject: Re: Looking for Natural Dyes for hair.

From: hhealth@global.co.za.X

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:30:17 GMT

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vitality@gate.net (vitality@gate.net) wrote:



>Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote:

>

>>Once again, I'm quoting my herbalist.  She said taking Kombucha extract

>>will get rid of grey hair as well as make the hair shaft thicker and

>>fuller looking.  I've started using it, so we'll see how it goes.

>

>>If you're looking to change the color of your hair...sorry.  I use th



Hey Fidget!

Do we have an update on the thickness and greyness of the hair?

Keep us advised.



Thanks





Helen, Cape Town

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Subject: Extracts - how to make?

From: x13cript1@hotmail.com (Alex)

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 00:25:43 GMT

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How do I make extracts (herbs in Alkohol). What kind of alcohol should

I use, how can I compare the dosage of the extract to for example tea?



Thanks, Alex





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Subject: Re: Extracts - how to make?

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 7 Apr 1998 12:26:34 GMT

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Take glass jar with lid. Put the plant matter (always use VERY fresh) into the

jar. DO NOT jam as much as possible but make a light "fairy bed." Fill the jar

with 100 proof vodka and let it sit for at least 6 weeks and there you are!



Some folks will tell you brandy but there are food colorings and such in that.

Some will tell you use dried herb doesn't matter, it does matter. Don't let the

herbs be out in hot sun for more than 10 to 15 min at most. 



I drive around with the fixins in the trunk of my car so I don't have to go

home to prepare the tincture





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Subject: Re: Extracts - how to make?

From: knots@agate.net

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 06:47:22 -0600

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In article <3529720e.191870@news.lrz-muenchen.de>,

  x13cript1@hotmail.com (Alex) wrote:

>

> How do I make extracts (herbs in Alkohol). What kind of alcohol should

> I use, how can I compare the dosage of the extract to for example tea?





Alex,



Following are the easiest directions I have found for making

tinctures; these directions are given by Susun Weed, herbalist and

author.

"Making a Tincture From Fresh Plant Material:



The best tinctures are made form fresh plants. These tinctures are so

far superior to commercial tinctures made from dried plants that they

almost appear to be different medicines! Homeopaths call these "mother

tictures"

Tincturing is amazingly simple:

*Identify and pick the plant parts you desire to tincture.

*Look through the plant material and discare any damaged parts.

*Do not wash any part of the plant except roots and those only when

necessary.

*Fill a jar to the top with the chopped plant material.

*Then fill the jar to the top with 100 proof vodka, vinegar or the

spirit of your choice. (Yes, you can fill a jar to the top twice!)

*Cap the jar tightly.

*Label the jar with the name of the plant, the part of the plant used,

the type of spirit used, and the date. Example: chickweed, whole plant

in flower, 100 proof vodka, 12 May 1988.

*Top up the liquid level the next day. (The plant fairies come by and

take a little taste of each new tincture.)

*Allow plant and alcohol to mingle together for six weeks or more.

*Decant the tincture and it is ready to use.



Making a Tincture from Dry Plant Material



Most dried plants are unsuitable for tincturing, with  the exception

of dried roots, resins, barks, and leathery leaves (such as rosemary,

uva ursi, and wintergreen). The procedure is similar to making a

tincture from fresh plants:



*Put two ounces/60 grams dried root or bark in a pint/500ml jar.

*Add ten fluid ounces/300 ml of 100 proof vodka or other spirit.

*Cap well and label (plant, part, type of spirit, date)

*Watch the alcohol level closely for the first week and top it up as

necessary. (Those fairies get very thirsty.)

*Decant the tincture after six or more weeks." -



                                             Susun Weed



You would be wise to consult an experience herbalist or a good book

for dosages. A book I use and recomment is David Hoffmann's The New

Holistic Herbal.



Hope this helps.



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Subject: Re: Extracts - how to make?

From: x13cript1@hotmail.com (Alex)

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 22:11:23 GMT

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On 8 Apr 1998 12:28:58 GMT, levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044) wrote:



>Rosemarie:

>

>Thanks for going through all that work. I was too lazy for such a long

>responce. Susun would add tho that the dried herb is usually not as potent as

>the fresh.

>

>Belinda



Can you give a multiplicator for dried herbs, for example, are they

half as potent as the fresh ?





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Subject: Re: Extracts - how to make?

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 9 Apr 1998 00:13:43 GMT

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Sorry, I am talking only from experience not from science. I know that even a

small time period in the sun or heat will make the tincture less effective. I

know this because it happened as a mistake.





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Subject: Re: Extracts - how to make?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:07:32 -0400

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LEvans1044 wrote in message

<1998040900134301.UAA23951@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Sorry, I am talking only from experience not from science. I know that even

a

>small time period in the sun or heat will make the tincture less effective.

I

>know this because it happened as a mistake.



Depends entirely on what the tincture is of.  Tincture of myrrh, for

example, doesn't seem to be bothered at all by heat or light.  Some of the

old books even recommended exposing certain extracts to the sun either

during extraction (perhaps because the heating effect increases the rate of

extraction) or after extraction (possibly because some further reaction was

necessary to obtain or increase potency).  It depends on the herb.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Extracts - how to make?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:04:09 -0400

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Alex wrote in message <352bf5db.397184@news.lrz-muenchen.de>...

>

>Can you give a multiplicator for dried herbs, for example, are they

>half as potent as the fresh ?



Don't you mean twice as potent?



-Rich











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Subject: use of cardiac herbs

From: "Ken Keaveney" <vasales@clubi.ie>

Date: 7 Apr 1998 00:25:46 GMT

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I would be interested in hearing from anyone who has used Crataegus sp

(Hawthorn) experiance of berries Vs leaves/flower heads and Convallaria &

majalis (Lilly of the vally)  any information or experiences from users

would be invaluable for my project.





Regards



Anna-Maria Keaveney





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Subject: Alovera

From: "Keith Jakins" <keithjak@netspace.net.au>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:25:27 +1000

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Can anyone tell me how to extract and store the juice from the Alo plant and

are there any uses for the rest of the plant.



thankyou for your help



Keith









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Subject: Re: Alovera

From: eggs@telusplanet.net

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:33:37 GMT

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On Tue, 7 Apr 1998 11:25:27 +1000, "Keith Jakins"

<keithjak@netspace.net.au> wrote:



>Can anyone tell me how to extract and store the juice from the Alo plant and

>are there any uses for the rest of the plant.

>

>thankyou for your help

>

>Keith

>

>

Hi,



The easiest way to store it is not to extract it, i.e. just pull off

leaves and squeeze the juice out as needed. If you don't use the whole

leaf, they will store well in the fridge and seal themselves off until

you need it again.



If you want to get the juice out in larger quantities, put the leaves

through a meat grinder, blender, juicer or other "masher", then strain

through a paper coffee filter.  Don't know how long it will keep, but

I'd definitely refridgerate it if you make more than you will use at

one time.



Hope this helps, E







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Subject: RING WORM

From: starc46021@aol.com (Starc46021)

Date: 7 Apr 1998 03:00:57 GMT

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My daughter has ring worm, don't trust over the counter meds.(most of them

don't work).  Any advice???

sTaRcHiLd



Starc46021@aol.com





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Subject: Re: RING WORM

From: rdk34@aol.com (RDK34)

Date: 7 Apr 1998 22:18:04 GMT

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>My daughter has ring worm, don't trust over the counter meds.





I know this may sound strange, but my father use to use mint tooth paste.  I am

not sure why, or what it actually does, but I remember it working.

 

Tammy Ann









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To: Starc46021 <starc46021@aol.com>

Subject: Re: RING WORM

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 18:39:25 -0700

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Starc46021 wrote:

> 

> My daughter has ring worm, don't trust over the counter meds.(most of them

> don't work).  Any advice???

> sTaRcHiLd

 



I used fresh Aloe Vera Gel with very good results.



J9





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Subject: Re: RING WORM

From: hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 14:18:04 GMT

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What does it look like?



  Raven at    raven_d@hotmail.com









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Subject: Re: RING WORM

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:12:54 -0500

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At first it looks like a bite--kind of like a spider bite--or several bites in one localized area. Then it creates ring-shaped, reddish patches that may also be scaly or blistered that spread uniformly outward leaving a circular patch of normal skin within the ring. You don't necessarily have just one ring form--you can have several in an area as time goes on. It is highly contagious and uncomfortable with the itching it causes.

My daughter had it last summer and we sliced fresh garlic, put it directly on the patches, covered them and left them for 24 hours. It went away after several treatments. I understand tea tree oil is also good to use, too.



Kay



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Subject: Re: RING WORM

From: chile-bud@inreach.com (Pan 'O Ram Ik)

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 03:33:14 GMT

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On Wed, 8 Apr 1998 19:12:54 -0500, "slade or kay henson"

<nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote:



>My daughter had it last summer and we sliced fresh garlic, put it =

>directly on the patches, covered them and left them for 24 hours. It =

>went away after several treatments. I understand tea tree oil is also =

>good to use, too.

I have used tea tree oil and it works.  I needed to use it about 3-4

times a day for about 3 weeks or so.  I found that if I skipped a day

or forgot and only did it once a day the time it took to go away

lengthened greatly.



Rich





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Subject: Re: RING WORM

From: "Flagship" <jriggs38@erols.com>

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 06:04:24 -0400

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>>My daughter had it last summer and we sliced fresh garlic, put it =

>>directly on the patches, covered them and left them for 24 hours. It =

>>went away after several treatments. I understand tea tree oil is also =

>>good to use, too.

>I have used tea tree oil and it works.  I needed to use it about 3-4

>times a day for about 3 weeks or so.  I found that if I skipped a day

>or forgot and only did it once a day the time it took to go away

>lengthened greatly.

>

>Rich



One more old cure I used to use when I was young and that was kacosine

rubbed on the patch its self and in a day or two it was gone.









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Subject: Re: RING WORM

From: Margaret <honeychickpea@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:04:06 -0400

--------

OK, this is going to sound really weird:



When my family moved to Ireland, years ago, my sister caught ringworm, which

was quite common in the country. Neighbors gave us varying "cures", all

involving ink in some way, such as:



write the child's name over and over with a ball point pen in a circle around

the ringworm every day.



Draw a circle around the ringworm with a crow's feather dipped in ink.



My mother used the feather method, and it DID work. I suspect the ink is the

active ingredient in the cure, the feather is probably optional :-)



Margaret



Starc46021 wrote:



> My daughter has ring worm, don't trust over the counter meds.(most of them

> don't work).  Any advice???

> sTaRcHiLd

>

> Starc46021@aol.com











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Subject: Re: Guar Gum or glucomannan.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 6 Apr 1998 20:48:00 -0700

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Oldgypsy@webtv.net (Helen Cason) wrote:



>According to my Nutritional Healing book,College students have lost 15

>lbs. in 2 weeks consuming only baby foods,fiber guar gum and spirulina.

  Way cool diet: algae, a thickening agent, and Gerbers.  YUCK!

Anybody would lose weight on something like this, from the sheer

inedibility of it.

  For one, diarrhea from a drastic diet change would be present.

For two, the nutritional value of the spirulina, fiber, and guar

gum is about zip ... leaving only the baby food - basically

pureed fruits and veggies for calories.



>HAs anybody in this group tried it,and if so,any side effects from the

>gum?



  Hey, I lost 12 pounds in 48 hours with C. perfringens added to

my food ... wanna try it?





Callie

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Subject: Re: Guar Gum or glucomannan.

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 00:06:29 GMT

--------

On Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:49:50 -0400, Oldgypsy@webtv.net (Helen Cason)

wrote:



>According to my Nutritional Healing book,College students have lost 15

>lbs. in 2 weeks consuming only baby foods,fiber guar gum and spirulina.

>HAs anybody in this group tried it,and if so,any side effects from the

>gum? I have no idea what gar gum is or how much of it to take, or the

>spirulina either.Thank You



Yet *AGAIN* with the rant:



<rant type: particular>



Helen:  WAKE UP DAMMIT!!!!!



This diet is neither nutritious nor sensible.  Guar gum is a bulking

agent.  They could have got the same effect by adding sawdust.  Baby

food is designed for an *infant's* digestive system.  If you want to

eat that, just put all of your food through a blender.  Better yet,

get your stomach stapled, then you'll *have* to put all of your food

through a blender.  Spirulina is a type of bacterium (AFAIAA).



If you want a similar diet to this one, I'd suggest boiling vegetables

until they're mushy, blending them in a blender with an equal weight

of oat bran, and leaving the entire mix aside on a bench top for a day

or so.  Then eat.  Once you've got off the toilet and stopped throwing

up your toenails, go to the doctor, and ask them for a sensible diet,

designed to provide you with adequate nutrition, as well as an

exercise program which will get you to a reasonable level of fitness.

If this does not change your weight, or if you actually put some

weight *on* with this kind of regime, learn to accept it.



</particular rant>



<rant type: general>



The current preoccupation with the shape of women is frightening.

*Not* all women in the world were designed to look like "supermodels".

The very fact that they *are* "supermodels" is a tribute to this -

they are being paid a certain amount for the fact that their genetics

are different to everyone else's.  These women are also *not*

necessarily happy.  They work in an industry *designed* to make

*every* woman feel insecure about their physical appearance.  They are

told every day that there will be someone younger, someone better

looking, along to take their place.



So why is it that so many women feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves

if they do not at least *publicly* aspire to be like a supermodel?  If

women would spend even *one half* of the time and energy they expend

on worrying about their weight on issues such as child care, or equal

pay, or ending the "glass ceiling", these issues would *not* be the

problems that they are.  Dieting *will* *not* change the world.

Positive action will.  The most positive action that any woman in

today's society can take is to say that "I am happy with my body the

way I am.  I do not need to lose or gain weight.   I do not need to

conform to a ridiculous ideal in order to be loved.  I am worthy of

love and respect the way I look now."



Live every day as though the shape you are now is the shape that you

always will be.



</rant>



There is a wonderful book by Kaz Cooke called "Real Gorgeous".  I

suggest that people start buying it and reading it.



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

Nice I can manage.  Polite I can manage.

Nice *and* polite - now you're pushing it!





==========

Subject: HELP how to process Alovera

From: "Keith Jakins" <keithjak@netspace.net.au>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 17:01:41 +1000

--------

Can anyone tell me how to extract the juice from alovera and how to store

it.



Thankyou



Keith









==========

Subject: Sleepless in Seattle

From: vape@citylinq.com

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 04:43:59 -0600

--------

I'm suffering from not-so-mild insomnia. Not pleased with what I hear about

perscription medications, or even sure if I want to go that road, I'm looking

into herbal remedies.



From what I gather, a combination of Valerian and Passion Flower might help

me a great deal. What I need to know is:

1. Has anyone heard of any interaction problems with these two herbs?

2. Is using both of them overkill, even though it seems like my insomnia is

pretty chronic?

3. How much of each should I use?

4. Are there other alternatives that I'm missing?



Any advice would be helpful. Thanks in advance.



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Subject: Re: Sleepless in Seattle

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 7 Apr 1998 16:42:24 GMT

--------

vape@citylinq.com wrote:

:I'm suffering from not-so-mild insomnia. Not pleased with what I hear about

:perscription medications, or even sure if I want to go that road, I'm looking

:into herbal remedies.

:

:From what I gather, a combination of Valerian and Passion Flower might help

:me a great deal. What I need to know is:

:1. Has anyone heard of any interaction problems with these two herbs?

:2. Is using both of them overkill, even though it seems like my insomnia is

:pretty chronic?

:3. How much of each should I use?

:4. Are there other alternatives that I'm missing?

:

:Any advice would be helpful. Thanks in advance.



I've found that for those *really* restless nights when sleep will just not

come, a knockout punch of Kava Kava and Valerian does me in in no time.



I use two caps of Nature's Way Valerian and two of Kava, same brand.  Other

major brands will work just as well.  I believe each cap is around 500 mg or

so (I'm posting from another location).  You may want to experiment with

dosages. 



By the way, continuing to use the above in that combination is only effective

for me about three days in a row, after which I need a break of a few days for

it to regain its effectiveness. Nex





    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: Sleepless in Seattle

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:36:19 -0400

--------

vape@citylinq.com wrote:

> 

> I'm suffering from not-so-mild insomnia. Not pleased with what I hear about

> perscription medications, or even sure if I want to go that road, I'm looking

> into herbal remedies.

> 

> From what I gather, a combination of Valerian and Passion Flower might help

> me a great deal. What I need to know is:

> 1. Has anyone heard of any interaction problems with these two herbs?

> 2. Is using both of them overkill, even though it seems like my insomnia is

> pretty chronic?

> 3. How much of each should I use?

> 4. Are there other alternatives that I'm missing?

> 

> Any advice would be helpful. Thanks in advance.

> 





My herbologist told me that all herbs are user friendly so they can be

used together.  However, PassionFlower is great used alone as I'm using

it now. Put me to sleep quickly and I slept like a baby. 



Fidget









==========

Subject: Re: Sleepless in Seattle

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 08:41:51 GMT

--------

On Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:36:19 -0400, Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>My herbologist told me that all herbs are user friendly so they can be

>used together. 



You need to switch to a better herbalist. All herbs are by no means user

friendly - take as an example Aconite, Digitalis, Wild cherry bark, or

nux-vomica - all quite toxic in lower or higher dosages.



You have to know your herbs, and know how they fit together. Blanket statements

like above cannot be trusted. It's like saying that all mushrooms are user

friendly - you trust that advice, and then you die, or end up in a kidney

machine for the rest of your life.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: What is Ring WOrm??  Re: RING WORM

From: hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U)

Date: 7 Apr 1998 13:59:34 GMT

--------



     Is it a fungus or an actual worm?



  Raven at    raven_d@hotmail.com







==========

Subject: Re: What is Ring WOrm??  Re: RING WORM

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 13:36:52 -0500

--------

Ringworm is a fungal infection.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: What is Ring WOrm??  Re: RING WORM

From: chile-bud@inreach.com (Pan 'O Ram Ik)

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 03:30:18 GMT

--------

On 8 Apr 1998 07:17:50 GMT, "Ugottum Obesabunz"

<Nospam@myhouse.net.com> wrote:



>It's a fungus (tinea) and not a worm.  It's highly contagious.

>-- 

Yes, except the name tinea is actually the medical name of the disease

(ie Tinea pedis= ringworm of the foot, tinea capitus=ringworm of the

scalp, etc).  The fungi are usually species of either Microsporum or

Trichophyton (occasionally Epidermophyton).  More than you wanted to

know ! :)



Rich





==========

Subject: Re: What is Ring WOrm??  Re: RING WORM

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 15:13:52 -0500

--------

It's a fungus.  Try  topical use of tea tree oil.









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Subject: HAIR GROWTH/NAILS

From: "Allura" <allura31@nacs.net>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:22:04 -0400

--------

I have tried the herb HORSETAIL for this and got positive results.

allura@nacs.net









==========

Subject: Re: HAIR GROWTH/NAILS

From: 'budding herbalist' <herbal@thewoods.org>

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 08:02:09 GMT

--------





Allura wrote:



> I have tried the herb HORSETAIL for this and got positive results.

> allura@nacs.net



  How did you use it?  External?  Internal? Capsules? Tincture? Tea?



Deb







==========

Subject: YELLOWDOCK/acne?

From: "Allura" <allura31@nacs.net>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:23:44 -0400

--------

Just wondering if anyone has used this for acne or SPIKENARD?

allura@nacs.net









==========

Subject: Re: YELLOWDOCK/acne?

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 7 Apr 1998 16:07:43 GMT

--------

I have used yellow dock with great sucess for adult acne.I use it in tincture

form and make large vats of tea---enough to last me throughout week.I keep it

in fridge;I drink about a pint to a quart a day.I dig up the root and simmer it

in a stainless steel pan.If the tea is too strong tasting I just add more

water.Burdock also works wonders and I have actually had more sucess with

that.Drink lots of water---that is also very helpful as is drinking dandelion

root tea.



      Good luck,Marianne





==========

Subject: Re: YELLOWDOCK/acne?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 18:44:01 -0700

--------

"Allura" <allura31@nacs.net> wrote:



>Just wondering if anyone has used this for acne 

 Yellowdock has a progesterone effect: it would help acne due to

hormaonal imbalance IF it pushed the balance in the right

direction.  The cyclical acne many women get can be helped by

this.

  NOTE: it also stains (it's used as a dye) and has a strong

laxative effect.



Callie

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==========

Subject: Aloe Vera for Sore Throats? - A reply

From: Aloe_Vera_Studies_Org@msn.com

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 13:25:47 -0600

--------

This is in response to:



From:         carjackall@aol.com (Carjackall)

Date:         1998/03/31

Message-ID:   <1998033102252801.VAA02941@ladder03.news.aol.com>



Who asks if Aloe Vera is good for sore throats (unfortunately, with

Deja News it doesn't look as if one can reply directly to a posting).  It is,

but there are other natural substances out there that may be even better

for more instant relief (such as kyolic garlic oil, which you can get at most

any natural health food store).



Aloe vera should be thought of as more of a long-term preventative botanical

versus a short term "cure" (and, of course, only the body can cure itself, not

a drug or natural remedy which only provides the materials that the body needs

to take care of itself).



The Aloe Vera Studies Organziation

http://www.aloe-vera.org



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Subject: Essiac Tea

From: raffiapple@aol.com (Raffiapple)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 00:20:37 GMT

--------

Hello,

I just wondered if there were any cancer survivors out there that were helped

by Essiac tea.  I just bought my mom a box of the Floressense(?) brand as she

has had breast cancer 4 years ago and had a masectomy, and now after a bone

scan the doctor noted spots on her breast bone, spine and lungs.  The doctor is

not sure if it the cancer returned yet..... but just in case my mom wanted to

try the tea.

Has anyone been helped by the tea?  If so was there a particular brand or does

it matter?  Thank you for any help







==========

Subject: Re: Essiac Tea

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 01:12:48 -0400

--------

Raffiapple wrote:

> 

> Hello,

> I just wondered if there were any cancer survivors out there that were helped

> by Essiac tea.  I just bought my mom a box of the Floressense(?) brand as she

> has had breast cancer 4 years ago and had a masectomy, and now after a bone

> scan the doctor noted spots on her breast bone, spine and lungs.  The doctor is

> not sure if it the cancer returned yet..... but just in case my mom wanted to

> try the tea.

> Has anyone been helped by the tea?  If so was there a particular brand or does

> it matter?  Thank you for any help





I'm sure there are lots of ppl who have experienced success with this

tea - whether they're on this group or not is unknown.  One thing is for

sure - would you rather rely on other ppl telling you whether it works

or not (depending on each individual's problem) or would you rather have

your mom take it and find out later that it actually did save her

life?   I think the choice is obvious.



Flor-Essence is a good brand - very much like the original brew that

Rene Caisse once made.  There is an herbal store down in Orlando,

Florida called Roots and Leaves - they have a website - they brew the

tea fresh every other day.  They ship to anywhere in the US and they are

very reasonably priced.  The reason why I know this is because I just

happened to stumble onto it doing a search last night and my sister who

lives in Orlando contacted them.  They are wonderful ppl I'm told.  So

if you happen to live in Florida - you might want to give them a holler.



If you have trouble finding them - give me a holler.



Fidget





==========

Subject: Help for Pancreas?

From: "Kevin, Jeanie & Anne" <weddle@olg.com>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 23:07:50 -0400

--------

I am a complete novice to this newsgroup and am usually lurking.  I had

surgery on my pancreas a few years ago.  It sometimes bothers me.  Any

suggestions for herbs that might I might take?





==========

Subject: To whom it may concern

From: syfey@public1.sz.js.cn

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:18:08 -0600

--------

  We are eager to ask for the information about the treatment of a case of

hepatic augiomas.  A married 41 years old female has right upper abdominal

dull pain for 7 year with no other complaints. The  pt. is allergy to

alcohol. No contraceptive mediation was used, liver function test normal,

abdominal CT was done in 1995 and multiple hepatic augiomas were diagnosed. 

There were two subcapsular augiomas, one sized 7.0cm3.6cm1.7cm, located

at lateral segment of left lobe.  Abdominal CT was repeated recently and

revealed that both augiomas were enlarged. The right lobe augiomas was

extended from anterior to posterior segment, sized 8.52cm5.12cm7.0cm and

the left lobe one increased to 4.2cm2.2cm3.0cm. The CT pictures are

ready. You can send me Email to get it.The reply address is

syfey@public1.sz.js.cn



Thank you very much



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Subject: Re: To whom it may concern

From: clgetz@ibm.nospam (C.L. Getz)

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 15:22:09 GMT

--------



>

>  We are eager to ask for the information about the treatment of a case of

>hepatic augiomas.  A married 41 years old female has right upper abdominal

>dull pain for 7 year with no other complaints. The  pt. is allergy to

>alcohol. No contraceptive mediation was used, liver function test normal,

>abdominal CT was done in 1995 and multiple hepatic augiomas were diagnosed. 

>There were two subcapsular augiomas, one sized 7.0cm3.6cm1.7cm, located

>at lateral segment of left lobe.  Abdominal CT was repeated recently and

>revealed that both augiomas were enlarged. The right lobe augiomas was

>extended from anterior to posterior segment, sized 8.52cm5.12cm7.0cm and

>the left lobe one increased to 4.2cm2.2cm3.0cm. The CT pictures are

>ready. You can send me Email to get it.The reply address is

>syfey@public1.sz.js.cn

>

>Thank you very much

>

Greetings,



Here are a couple of web sites that might be helpful - Dr. Andrew Weil's 

web site (wide range of information, directory of healers, including 

some conventional physicians, who use alternative and complementary 

medicine) at http://cgi/pathfinder/com/drweil/

and the Virtual Mayo Clinic at http://www.mayohealth.org/



Good luck,

C.L. Getz





Please change "nospam" to "net" in e-mail address to reply.





==========

Subject: Re: To whom it may concern

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 18:50:01 -0700

--------

syfey@public1.sz.js.cn wrote:



>  We are eager to ask for the information about the treatment of a case of

>hepatic augiomas.  

  Do you mean "angiomas"?  They are tumors (usually benign),

coming from vascular tissue.

  Not much besides surgery will get rid of them, although the

ones in the skin can be zapped with lasers.

  They can cause problems if they are pressing on bile ducts or

blood vessels.









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==========

Subject: growing herbs

From: moron345@aol.com (Moron345)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 04:11:16 GMT

--------

MM all,

     I am attempting to grow my first herb garden and was wondering about soil

conditions, etc.  Some of the herbs are growing quite well and some haven't

sprouted yet.  I am concerned with my echinacea, mint, thyme, and lavender.  I

have them planted in peat pots, and am starting to take them outside for a few

hours at a time.  Is there anything I could be doing to promote their growth or

that I am maybe doing wrong?



                                                       MP, 

                                                       Lori





==========

Subject: Re: growing herbs

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 18:51:00 -0700

--------

moron345@aol.com (Moron345) wrote:



>MM all,

>     I am attempting to grow my first herb garden and was wondering about soil

>conditions, etc.  Some of the herbs are growing quite well and some haven't

>sprouted yet.



For startersL where do you live?  It makes a BIG difference.



Callie

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==========

Subject: Re: growing herbs

From: moron345@aol.com (Moron345)

Date: 09 Apr 1998 15:37:16 GMT

--------

I live in the midwest--Southern IL.

 MP, Lori





==========

Subject: Re: growing herbs

From: Marilyn <mare@laurie.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:32:44 -0500

--------

Lori,

I started echinacea sometime during the last of Feb.(I live in Missouri) in one of

those plastic greenhouse kits (about 3 bucks at Walmart). The plants are about 4-6

inches tall and doing well. I just planted the seeds, watered, spritzed and kept

the green house in a sunny window. The same with the basil, catnip and lavender

that I planted. Echinacea is very tender and doesn't transplant well. It's best to

plant sparsely and plant the whole plug into your garden. Remember, it's a

wildflower, too!



I don't care for the peat pots. The tend to suck the water out of the soil, leaving

your plants gasping for water and the soil becomes like a rock. Almost killed a

baby peach tree with a peat pot... !

Good luck!



Moron345 wrote:



> MM all,

>      I am attempting to grow my first herb garden and was wondering about soil

> conditions, etc.  Some of the herbs are growing quite well and some haven't

> sprouted yet.  I am concerned with my echinacea, mint, thyme, and lavender.  I

> have them planted in peat pots, and am starting to take them outside for a few

> hours at a time.  Is there anything I could be doing to promote their growth or

> that I am maybe doing wrong?

>

>                                                        MP,

>                                                        Lori











==========

Subject: Re: growing herbs

From: knots@agate.net

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:24:47 -0600

--------

Marilyn,



In order to avoid the disastrous effect of peat pots wicking water

away from your plants in the ground, I suggest that before setting

the peat pot (with the plant in it) in the ground, you cut off or

break away 1/2 inch of the peat pot's top rim. Set it in a hole in

the ground and be sure that *no* part of the peat pot is exposed. If

the peat pot is *entirely* underground, it will not be able to wick

moisture away from the plant.



Also, I have started many echinacea plants from seeds and have not

considered them tender to being transplanted, either from indoors to

outdoors or when dividing mature plants already in the garden. I am

always careful to set plants outdooors in the spring only when day

and nighttime temperatures are condusive and I never set out plants

or divide them in hot summer weather.



In article <352EE45C.8E6FDFC0@laurie.net>,

  Marilyn <mare@laurie.net> wrote:

>

> Lori,

> I started echinacea sometime during the last of Feb.(I live in Missouri) in one of

> those plastic greenhouse kits (about 3 bucks at Walmart). The plants are about 4-6

> inches tall and doing well. I just planted the seeds, watered, spritzed and kept

> the green house in a sunny window. The same with the basil, catnip and lavender

> that I planted. Echinacea is very tender and doesn't transplant well. It's best to

> plant sparsely and plant the whole plug into your garden. Remember, it's a

> wildflower, too!

>

> I don't care for the peat pots. The tend to suck the water out of the soil, leaving

> your plants gasping for water and the soil becomes like a rock. Almost killed a

> baby peach tree with a peat pot... !

> Good luck!

>

> Moron345 wrote:

>

> > MM all,

> >      I am attempting to grow my first herb garden and was wondering about soil

> > conditions, etc.  Some of the herbs are growing quite well and some haven't

> > sprouted yet.  I am concerned with my echinacea, mint, thyme, and lavender.  I

> > have them planted in peat pots, and am starting to take them outside for a few

> > hours at a time.  Is there anything I could be doing to promote their growth or

> > that I am maybe doing wrong?

> >

> >                                                        MP,

> >                                                        Lori

>

>





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Subject: natural herb to replace tetracycline?

From: dkbogdan@aol.com (DKBOGDAN)

Date: 08 Apr 1998 13:01:19 GMT

--------

Friend has been diagnosed with Pityriasis Lichenoides et varioliformis acuta

(mucha habermann disease) and dermatologist prescribed tetracycline.  Are there

any natural herbs that he could take instead, preferably one that won't react

with sunlight. Please email

dkbogdan@aol.com

thanks





==========

Subject: Re: where to buy jojoba oil?

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:28:16 -0500

--------



Their url is www.frontierherb.com



Gale





On 8 Apr 1998, SusieQ5207 wrote:



> hi there

> Frontier has oils in bulk....herbs, spices, coffees, and teas...they are in

> Norway, Iowa...their number is 1-319-227-7996...they may have a web site but I

> do not know  for sure..

> Susie

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Flower Remedies - helpful? How?

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:55:45 -0500

--------



I've been hearing about flower remedies for some time, have scanned 

through a short book on them, took a brief look at the bachcentre web 

site, have a gardener friend who takes them, but nowhere have i seen a 

satisfactory explaination of how/why they work.



Herbs, I can understand given that there is evidence of cellular 

interactions.  Nowhere have I seen any reference to research on flower 

remedies, except statements "like Dr. Bach found this to work for ...".  

How did he do his research?  



Can anyone shed light on this?  Is it just that flowers, as leaf and 

root, contain substances that react to cause an effect in the body?



Why all the mystery?  Why the emotional approach?  Emotional health is 

SUCH an unexact science - and certainly not helped by a one-size-fits-all 

approach?  



If you can tailor your reply to a conventionally trained scientist, it 

will be more useful to me. 



This is a serious question, I'd like serious answers.



Thanks, 



Gale





==========

To: Kathleen Dachuk <kdachuk@acs.ryerson.ca>

Subject: Re: Respiractin and Lung disease

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 08:55:50 -0700

--------

Kathleen,

May I ask, what's in it?  My mom has lung disease too, (BOOP-Bronchiolitis

Obliterans w/Organizing Pnuemonitus, as well as asthma, allergies, and sinus

problems).  Does anyone know of this disease and what to take for it?

Thanks, June



Kathleen Dachuk wrote:



> Hi all

>

> Please forgive me if this type of question has popped up recently.  I can

> only access this newsgroup once in a while and I may have missed a thread

> or two.  Can anybody tell me anything about Respiractin?  My mother just

> started using it to hopefully get some relief from pulmonary fibrosis.  Can

> anybody point me in the right direction to get homeopathic information

> about this horrible lung disease?  We sure could use all the help we can

> get:-)

>

> Thank you in advance

>

> Kathleen

>

> kdachuk@acs.ryerson.ca











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Subject: Question?

From: lind@nospam.epix.net

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 98 12:16:00 edt

--------



Hi everyone



Does anyone out there know of an herb that can be used

as an effective treatment for ADD?  My eight yr old son

has a problem staying focused at school.  He has trouble

following directions other then that he is extremely bright.

I have heard that Black current oil twice a day might be

a remedy.  Has anyone else heard this or have any other 

suggestions.  Thanks          Linda







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Subject: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: ninagordon@aol.com (NinaGordon)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 16:23:59 GMT

--------

I just purchased a bottle of St. John's Wort capsules and noticed this warning

on the label:  This product is not intended for long-term daily use.

I'm wondering why... I've never read anything that says that SJW is not safe on

a long-term basis.  Anyone out there with any info?





Nina Gordon

"All God's critters got a place in the choir"





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Subject: Re: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: 'budding herbalist' <herbal@thewoods.org>

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 07:47:04 GMT

--------





NinaGordon wrote:



> I just purchased a bottle of St. John's Wort capsules and noticed this warning

> on the label:  This product is not intended for long-term daily use.

> I'm wondering why... I've never read anything that says that SJW is not safe on

> a long-term basis.  Anyone out there with any info?

>

> Nina Gordon

> "All God's critters got a place in the choir"



  My feeling is that it is a standard disclaimer to protect the company from the

'sue happy' public.



The other thing to remember is that herbs aren't [and aren't supposed to be]

'instant miracle cures'.  Most will nudge the body back into balance and health.

As such they shouldn't be used constantly.  For a fuller discourse read anything by

Michael Moore or Susun Weed, they've both spent pages on that topic.



You will want to consider why you are taking the herb in the first place.  I take

Hypericum [St John's Wort] to help survive the winter doldrums.  Hopefully , the

sun will shine again and I will not need to take it for a while.  ;>     Some

people have decided to try it for its reported benefits in treating mild

depression.  If it is necessary to take it for a long period of time, it might not

be mild depression and one should get a second opinion or add some other life

enhancing elements into the daily routine.  ie:  go dancing, join the joke of the

day club, volunteer some time to those less fortunate.....you get the idea.



Deb







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Subject: Re: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: ninagordon@aol.com (NinaGordon)

Date: 09 Apr 1998 13:27:01 GMT

--------

>You will want to consider why you are taking the herb in the first place. <



The St. John's Wort was purchased for my husband, who had been on Zoloft for

several months and decided he wanted to go off the drug and try a *natural*

remedy instead.  Without going into all the details, let me just say that we

are also in counseling at this time.  He has been taking the SJW for about a

week and has already noticed some beneficial effects, so he is likely to

continue taking it, but I was concerned about the warning re: long-term usage. 

(Yes, I suppose there are concerns re: long-term usage of Zoloft, too, but

there was no warning on that bottle!)  I have heard so many glowing reports of

the positive effects of SJW, I was just wondering if there are people out there

who have been taking it on a long-term basis and if there are any negative

effects.



  





Nina Gordon

"All God's critters got a place in the choir"





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Subject: Re: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 09 Apr 1998 16:30:50 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes

My 9-year-old son has been taking 3 daily of 300 mg standardized to .3%

hypericin for 9 months.  He has had absolutely no side effects so far.  I too

would like to know if anyone has had problems with longer term use, as it has

worked better than any other option for him.  His "doldrums" are not going to

disappear with the joke of the day.  It has been a very good alternative to an

SSRI for us, but I wish we knew more about long term use.





==========

Subject: Re: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: Maureen Fischer <mfischer@home.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 17:48:20 GMT

--------

The information that I have read about this herb is that it's used by

mainstream doctors in Europe especially Germany.  That it surpasses the

use of Prozak there.  So there must be some information somewhere on its

track record.  Perhaps someone with some Web searching skill could point

you in the right direction.



BlessedBy2 wrote:

> 

> X-No-Archive: yes

> My 9-year-old son has been taking 3 daily of 300 mg standardized to .3%

> hypericin for 9 months.  He has had absolutely no side effects so far.  I too

> would like to know if anyone has had problems with longer term use, as it has

> worked better than any other option for him.  His "doldrums" are not going to

> disappear with the joke of the day.  It has been a very good alternative to an

> SSRI for us, but I wish we knew more about long term use.





==========

Subject: Re: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: 'budding herbalist' <herbal@thewoods.org>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 08:04:12 GMT

--------





NinaGordon wrote:



> >You will want to consider why you are taking the herb in the first place. <

>

> The St. John's Wort was purchased for my husband, who had been on Zoloft for

> several months and decided he wanted to go off the drug and try a *natural*

> remedy instead.  Without going into all the details, let me just say that we

> are also in counseling at this time.  He has been taking the SJW for about a

> week and has already noticed some beneficial effects, so he is likely to

> continue taking it, but I was concerned about the warning re: long-term usage.



Long term usage is a vague term.  How long is long?  Many people do not notice any

effect from Hypericum [St John's Wort] until they have been using it for about 6

weeks or so.



> (Yes, I suppose there are concerns re: long-term usage of Zoloft, too, but

> there was no warning on that bottle!)



The last Rx bottle I looked at had the name of the pills & some long words I

couldn't begin to pronounce & dosage.  All were written so small I had to get out

the magnifying glass.  With all the flack herbs have been getting no one would dare

to label herbal supplements in the same manner.



> I have heard so many glowing reports of

> the positive effects of SJW, I was just wondering if there are people out there

> who have been taking it on a long-term basis and if there are any negative

> effects.

>

>



For what it's worth, I have been taking Hypericum for over 4 years.  Not every day,

but sometimes for weeks on end.  I have noticed a major improvement in my outlook

on life and my ability to cope.  ymmv  [your milage may vary]



Deb



>

>

> Nina Gordon

> "All God's critters got a place in the choir"











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Subject: Re: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: WPope <wpope@on.infoshare.ca>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 21:39:23 -0400

--------

Hi,



This is my first time in this news group.  I couldn't help but take a

special interest in your message as I have first hand experience with

this.



I, too, had been on Zoloft for just over a year.  The side effects were

extremely noticable - once I got off the Zoloft and had time to clense

my system. I would not recommend long term use of this drug - or any

other.  I am not a physician, just the average person speaking from

experience.  (For those who would have  a problem with that statement -

I realize everyone's experience will vary.)



I use herbal remedies for almost everything at this point - with SJW

being one I recommend a great deal.  I went off the Zoloft for awhile

before I even "discovered" SJW.  I now use it on an "as needed" basis. 

I'll take two a day during high stress periods and then go off it

awhile. Sometimes, I'll just take a couple before bed and that seems to

help a grat deal.



Is there a homeopathic doctor that you can be referred to in your area? 

(Ideally have someone that has been recommended by someone you know

well.)  They can be helpful in determining how long to use the SJW or

any other type of herb.  This is basically the same premise as with

traditional doctors and medicines.  



A book I would recommend for anyone interested in herbal medicines is

the following:  "The Complete Medicinal Herbal" by Penelope Ody.  The

ISBN number is 1-55013-480-9.   This has a grat deal of info on all

types f herbal remedies, what the applications are, any warning and so

forth.  The best thing you can do for you and your husband is be

informed.



I hope it helps your husband.  Please stay with the counseling, combined

with the SJW and other herbal remedies.  As for yourself, your support

will make as much, if not more, difference in helping your husband get

past this.  My best wishes for you both in this process.



Joanne





==========

Subject: Re: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:05:08 -0400

--------

Beware the responses of the person calling themselves "Aquarius".  They are

a very recent and not very welcome addition to what is ideally a more or

less rational discussion on the history and properties of herbs.  If you

read any of their other posts or visit their website, you will quickly come

the  same conclusion we have - definitely a few marbles loose.



-Rich











==========

Subject: Re: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:31:02 -0400

--------

'budding herbalist' wrote in message <352BD413.12FD78C9@thewoods.org>...

>

>NinaGordon wrote:

>

>> I just purchased a bottle of St. John's Wort capsules and noticed this

warning

>> on the label:  This product is not intended for long-term daily use.

>> I'm wondering why... I've never read anything that says that SJW is not

safe on

>> a long-term basis.  Anyone out there with any info?

>>

>> Nina Gordon

>

>  My feeling is that it is a standard disclaimer to protect the company

from the

>'sue happy' public.

>

>Deb





Well, "protect the company" may be correct, but the real reason is that

there have been no scientific studies done on the long-term effects of

regular St. John's Wort use.  It is simply a warning to the effect that they

don't know, and won't be responsible, for effects they cannot predict or

foresee.



-Rich











==========

Subject: Re: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: glenngr@aol.com (GlennGr)

Date: 11 Apr 1998 22:49:19 GMT

--------

One person's experience doesn't prove much of anything,  but, for what it's

worth, I've been taking 1200 mg of SJW three and sometimes four times a day for

about four years now, and have found absolutely no problem with it.  Have had

annual checkups, blood tests, etc., and all is well, including my liver.  I

even used SJW in the summer in New Mexico and had no oversensitivity to the

sun, which is often cited as a problem.  (A pretty rare problem, from all I can

gather.)



SJW has made a great difference in my life.  The only difficulty I find with it

is one that's been pointed out already, the difference in strength among the

various brands.   Standardization is really needed in herbal products.  



Cheers,

Steon





==========

Subject: Re: Long-Term Use of St. John's Wort

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:02:50 -0400

--------

And now your giving medical advice?  Really intolerable!



-Rich

    Aquarius1922@webtv.net wrote in message

<6hhbg8$loi$1@newsd-141.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

    The microscope give st. John's Wort a clean bill of health -

    non-toxic...  Because of our molecular findings I do feel you could take

    vitamin B-complex twice a day in place of St. John's Wort.











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Subject: Escharotic Black Salve

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 15:36:02 -0700

--------

This is supposed to be a great salve for skin ailments from cancer to

eczema to psoriasis.  Does anyone have any experiences or  antecdotal

notes to share?  And where did you find the salve.  Thanks 







==========

Subject: Re: Escharotic Black Salve

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 8 Apr 1998 18:53:00 -0700

--------

phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores) wrote:



>This is supposed to be a great salve for skin ailments from cancer to

>eczema to psoriasis.  Does anyone have any experiences or  antecdotal

>notes to share?  And where did you find the salve.  Thanks 



  It is an EXTREMELY CAUSTIC, CORROSIVE salve.  I have one recipe

for it, and "corrosive sublimate of mercury" is one of the

incredients.  Not anything I'd care to put on my skin.

  It does get rid of lesions, because it eats them right of, like

a chemical burning agent.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Escharotic Black Salve

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 09:11:21 -0500

--------

I've not used but my herb instructor has, infact we talked about it in class

last night.  A ND in ARIZ Dana Myers is using for melanoma with great

success.  You might contact the naturopathic colleges for mor info

www.NCNM.edu  is on Portland OR  Good luck, Ingrid









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Subject: Re: Escharotic Black Salve

From: "Tom Howe" <wapiti@dmi.net>

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 17:30:21 -0700

--------

I have a book written by Dr. Ingrid Naiman and Susan Meares called CANCER-

Salves and Suppositories.  I believe it contains the black salve and yellow

healing salve you are interested in.  It is copyrighted .  It has the

address: Bodhisattva Trust, HCR 80, Box 34, Cundiyo, New Mexico 87522.  You

might write to that address for a copy of the booklet which is over 100

pages.



Very informative and has the recipes you need, how to use them and other

information on cancer herbs.  Hope this helps you.









Wigwam Outlet Stores wrote in message <6ggu4i$jmv@nntp02.primenet.com>...

>This is supposed to be a great salve for skin ailments from cancer to

>eczema to psoriasis.  Does anyone have any experiences or  antecdotal

>notes to share?  And where did you find the salve.  Thanks

>









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Subject: Re: Escharotic Black Salve

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 11 Apr 1998 12:38:04 GMT

--------

____________________________________________________________

I found this on my herb list and thought  it may be of help to anyone out there

in cyberland! 

 Marianne

____________________________________________________________



Dr. Christopher's Black Healing Salve/Ointment



3 quarts liquid mutton tallow (1 quart for each 4 oz of dry herbs of for

each 10 oz. of fresh herbs, which is approximately 6 pounds of very clean

mutton tallow and is obtainable from the butcher).

2 ounces	Chickweed herb (stellaria media) dried (5 oz. fresh)

2 ounces	Comfrey Rood (Symphytum officianlis) dried (5 oz. fresh)

2 ounces Marshmallow root (Althaea officianalis) dried (5 oz. fresh)

2 ounces Goldenseal Root (Althaea Canadensis) dried (5 oz. fresh)

2 ounces Lobelia herb with seed (Lobelia inflata) dried (5 oz. fresh)

2 ounces Kino (Pterocarpus marsupium) (when possible)

1 ounce Poke root (Phytolacca americana) dried or fresh

2 ounces of Beeswax

6 ounces Olive Oil (Olea Europaea)

2 ounces Wheat germ oil (if not available substitute more olive oil)

1 pint Pine tar (Pinus sylvestris) can be obtained from a nursery



Preparation: Cut up the mutton tallow, place it into a stainless steel pan

(never use iron or aluminum  but you can use pyrex or enamel if it is not

chipped), cover and render in oven at 170 degrees F. Pour off the tallow as

it renders, press out the remainder and throw away the crackling.  Place

the tallow back into the pan and warm up to a liquid.  Place all the herbs

in the liquified tallow base, (acts as a catalyst and draws the medicinal

virtues of the herbs into the fat) and place into oven for 4 to 8 hours.

Remove and strain through a fine wire strainer, add beeswax and put back

into oven to warm to a liquid again.  Add the olive oil, wheat germ oil and

pine tar (do not cook after the pine tar is added or it will curdle), use a

beater (hand or electric) to homogenize or whip while hot and then pour it

into an ointment or wide mouthed jar to set.  Do not try to move the jars

until cool enough to be firm or there will be a nasty mess to clean up.



Administration: apply externally or internally as needed.  Note: this

particular ouintment has been on the market for a number of years.

According to reports sent in it has beenused successfully to cure various

complaints, including skin cancer.



Extra Strength "black" drawing and healing salve/ointment



To the herbs in the recipe above add the following:



2 ounces Red Clover blossoms (Trifolium Pratense)

2 ounces Mullien (Verbascum thapasus)

4 ounces Plantain (Plantago major)

4 ounces Chapparal (Larrea tridentata)

Sufficeient Additional mutton tallow to contain all the herbs (if necessary) 

Sufficient Additional Olive oil and beeswax to acheive the desired

consistency.



Preparation:  Follow the guidelines above. 





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Subject: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:55:06 GMT

--------

Hi,



	Been having a lot of gastrointestinal problems X2mos. Yes, I'm

seeing an M.D. about it and I'm in the middle of having a whole slew

of really distasteful tests done. Even the doc seems to think that the

tests/symptoms are pointing towards the gallbladder as the guilty

culprit, but he wants to be thorough.

	So my question is, what can I do about it? I've been taking

milk thistle, which is recommended for liver/gallbladder disfunction.

I've also been taking Beano before meals, as it's the only way I can

eat without the horrid gut problems that follow, and it works pretty

well. The doc has prescribed Zantac as well, until we find out what is

really going on.

	OK, so maybe I'm looking for a miracle, but is there anything

that can help me avoid gallbladder surgery, if that turns out to be

the problem, or is surgery inevitable?



TIA,

GCM



P.S.-

I also experienced an extreme increase in my normal blood pressure,

which the doctor believes was brought on by all of this. I was quite

successful in treating this problem with acupressure. I have posted

this message separately so that anyone interested in BP problems, but

not necessarily gallbladder problems, would see it. Look for my post

"High Blood Pressure and Acupressure", if you are interested.



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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: "Ewa " <evakoz@polstore.com>

Date: 10 Apr 1998 22:35:46 GMT

--------

Hi Tia,

There is no real evidence that any herb can dissolve gallstones or keep

them from forming.

However, you can try strong peppermint tea taken three or four times a day.

An alcoholic extract of peppermint can be used instead of tea. Take 20

drops in 3 ounces of water up to four times a day. Gentian tea, made by

steeping 1/2 teaspoon of ground root in 1/2 cup of boiling water for five

minutes, can also releve symptoms. Take it no more than four times a day.



Good luck!

Eva

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jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote in article

<352c18c6.55646068@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk>...

> Hi,

> 

> 	Been having a lot of gastrointestinal problems X2mos. Yes, I'm

> seeing an M.D. about it and I'm in the middle of having a whole slew

> of really distasteful tests done. Even the doc seems to think that the

> tests/symptoms are pointing towards the gallbladder as the guilty

> culprit, but he wants to be thorough.

> 	So my question is, what can I do about it? I've been taking

> milk thistle, which is recommended for liver/gallbladder disfunction.

> I've also been taking Beano before meals, as it's the only way I can

> eat without the horrid gut problems that follow, and it works pretty

> well. The doc has prescribed Zantac as well, until we find out what is

> really going on.

> 	OK, so maybe I'm looking for a miracle, but is there anything

> that can help me avoid gallbladder surgery, if that turns out to be

> the problem, or is surgery inevitable?

> 

> TIA,

> GCM

> 

> P.S.-

> I also experienced an extreme increase in my normal blood pressure,

> which the doctor believes was brought on by all of this. I was quite

> successful in treating this problem with acupressure. I have posted

> this message separately so that anyone interested in BP problems, but

> not necessarily gallbladder problems, would see it. Look for my post

> "High Blood Pressure and Acupressure", if you are interested.

> 

> **Remove SPAMBLOCKER from address to reply via e-mail**

> 





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:59:31 GMT

--------

On Thu, 09 Apr 1998, jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:



>	Been having a lot of gastrointestinal problems X2mos. Yes, I'm

>seeing an M.D. about it and I'm in the middle of having a whole slew

>of really distasteful tests done. Even the doc seems to think that the

>tests/symptoms are pointing towards the gallbladder as the guilty

>culprit, but he wants to be thorough.



I presume you are on a low-fat diet. They are deadly for the gall bladder,

which is a muscle that works best when there is fat for it to do its thing.

Also if you have GI problems it is possible that you are gluten intolerant,

which can also cause gall bladder problems. 



Cholecystokinin (CCK) is a hormone that is produced in the duodenum, and it

signals the gall bladder to contract, sending bile to the small intestine,

and it signals the pancreas to produce certain digestive enzymes, too. In

celiac disease, CCK production is stopped, due to gluten-induced damage to

the duodenum.



For more on this Ron Hoggan has an article on his page at:



  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/



Don (at panix com).





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:12:45 GMT

--------

On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:59:31 GMT, donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

wrote:

>I presume you are on a low-fat diet. They are deadly for the gall bladder,

>which is a muscle that works best when there is fat for it to do its thing.

Yes, I try to keep my fat intake around 20%, but definitely below 30%.

But, wait a minute, you're trying to tell me that a healthy, low-fat

diet can cost me my gallbladder??? This doesn't sound quite right.

>Also if you have GI problems it is possible that you are gluten intolerant,

>which can also cause gall bladder problems.

That could be possible. But from all I've read and heard, even from my

doctor, it is more likely that I have a stone that is blocking a duct

that should be secreting a necessary digestive enzyme. I am currently

taking Beano(Alpha-galactosidase, which is a digestive enzyme) in

order to make it possible for me to eat *anything* at all. Without it,

I simply can't eat without tremendous discomfort. With it, things are

almost completely normal. But it *isn't* normal to *have* to take this

supplement in order to be able to eat.  

>

>Cholecystokinin (CCK) is a hormone that is produced in the duodenum, and it

>signals the gall bladder to contract, sending bile to the small intestine,

>and it signals the pancreas to produce certain digestive enzymes, too. In

>celiac disease, CCK production is stopped, due to gluten-induced damage to

>the duodenum.

But my CCK levels are just fine. That is one of the tests they've

already done. My pancreas is just fine too. So this doesn't seem too

likely.

>For more on this Ron Hoggan has an article on his page at:

>

>  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/

>

>Don (at panix com).

But I will take a look at this anyhow, just to see if anything else

matches up. You don't know how much I wish it *wasn't* a gallbladder

problem, I reeeeally don't want to have surgery. But it just isn't

looking too promising. Thanks for the info, Don.



GCM

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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:14:47 GMT

--------

On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:



>On Sat, 11 Apr 1998, donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss) wrote:



>>I presume you are on a low-fat diet. They are deadly for the gall bladder,

>>which is a muscle that works best when there is fat for it to do its thing.



>Yes, I try to keep my fat intake around 20%, but definitely below 30%.

>But, wait a minute, you're trying to tell me that a healthy, low-fat

>diet can cost me my gallbladder??? This doesn't sound quite right.



But it makes a lot of sense. For the past two million years humans had a

diet with ample fat. Relative to other animals we developed a large gall

bladder. By jumping on the low fat bandwagon you should expect there to be

side effects, as it isn't the diet we evolved to eat. With a low fat diet

you are letting the muscle atrophy. Give it one high fat meal and it can

seize up. You have to realize this low fat fad started when the vegetable

oil sellers needed a market for their product, as people were moving from

oil based paint to latex paint in the 50's. So to get people to eat these

oils they bashed fats, their competition.



In the past 10 years Americans have jumped big time on the low fat

bandwagon and obesity in the US has gone up dramatically. We are now the

fattest in the world, thanks to our low fat diet. Sounds like you Brits are

now jumping on too. Books I suggest you read are Eades and Eades' _Protein

Power_ and Dr. Atkins. For a look at what humans evolved to eat see:



  The Paleolithic Diet Page:  http://www.panix.com/~paleodiet/



Don (at panix com).





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:42:25 GMT

--------

Between discovering my internal bleeding and having my (by then)

enormous gall bladder full of big stones removed, I got some wonderful

advice from an ER doctor.  He said that exercise helps.  So when I'd

really rather have been curled up like one of those wriggly things you

sometimes find when shoveling in the garden, I'd get up and jump rope

for 5 to 10 minutes.  The worst* gall bladder attacks could be

relieved for 1/2 hour to the next attack by jumping rope.  Or even by

shoving my stomach around and lucking out by hitting on the duct and

getting the stone to go in or out (which is what he was doing as he

described the exercise thing.).  



Extreme pain will make you try any crazy sounding thing.  Finding that

it works is wonderful.  Now that I've had years to think it over I'm

not too sure about shoving around a stone that's in the duct, but it

worked.  After all, the bile'll be pushing it around anyway, as will

normal stomach contractions.



If you try the exercise, I'd advise doing it at the very first hint of

symptoms instead of waiting until you're curled up and wishing to die.





On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:33:16 GMT, astarte@sover.net (Siobhan

Perricone) wrote:



>

>I have a gall stone, and I get attacks sometimes (usually when I eat a

>lotta really high fat foods, like dinner at KFC).  What *I* would really

>like is an herbal preparation that will either help relieve the attack

>itself (meaning the bladder is relaxed and stops trying to excrete), or

>relieve the pain of the attack when it's happening (similar to aspirin,

>that simply relieves the sensation, not the causation).  Gall bladder

>attacks can be quite debilitating while they are occurring.





-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: betten+@pitt.edu (Binnie Betten)

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:55:17 -0400

--------

Don Wiss wrote:

> >But it makes a lot of sense. For the past two million years humans had a

> >diet with ample fat. Relative to other animals we developed a large gall

> >bladder. By jumping on the low fat bandwagon you should expect there to be

> >side effects, as it isn't the diet we evolved to eat. With a low fat diet

> >you are letting the muscle atrophy.



Siobhan Perricone wrote:



> You don't appear to be listening to what this person is saying.  When you

> have a gall stone, eating fats can lead to a great deal of discomfort

> because, when the gall bladder works to excrete, it pushes the stone

> against the duct. 



I would like to respond to this thread.  Please keep in mind that I am not

attempting to give medical advice, but rather I am relaying my own

personal experience.  Last year I had a sonagram to resolve the cause of

the painful periodic abdominal pains I was having.  The sonagram showed

about 40 to 50 stones of varying size in my gallbladder.  My doctor's only

advice was to have the surgery to remove my gallbladder. Concurrently, I

had been reading the book "NeanderThin" on the subject of a paleolithic

diet. Against the advice of my doctor I decided to forgo the surgery until

after I lost some weight (also against medical advice because "rapid"

weight loss can cause gallstones). I began the NeanderThin diet in July.

For the first 3 months on this diet, my gallbladder attacks were no better

or worse than they had been (even though I was eating a great deal of beef

& fat). By the 4 fourth month I began to think that my pain was beginning

to subside. Now after 9 months on the diet, I have been completely

asymptomatic for 5 months.  Other health issues such has pain in my joints

has also cleared up, not to mention that I'm 53 lbs. lighter than I was

last July. If my gallbladder pain returns, I will consider having the

surgery.  But for now my cholesterol and blood pressure are down, I'm pain

free, feel great, and I'm committed to NeanderThin for life



Binnie Betten

betten+@pitt.edu





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:07:43 GMT

--------

On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:33:16 GMT, astarte@sover.net (Siobhan

Perricone) wrote:



>On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 01:14:47 GMT, donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss) wrote:

>>But it makes a lot of sense. For the past two million years humans had a

>>diet with ample fat. Relative to other animals we developed a large gall

>>bladder. By jumping on the low fat bandwagon you should expect there to be

>>side effects, as it isn't the diet we evolved to eat. With a low fat diet

>>you are letting the muscle atrophy.



>

>You don't appear to be listening to what this person is saying.  

	Exactly! I went to this guy's website and took a look around.

You wouldn't believe what I found. Dozens of articles blaming

everything from acne to ADHD, and everything in between, on

gluten/wheat/milk intolerance and celiac disease. (Which is basically

a malabsorption syndrome of sorts.) 

	O.K., I really do believe that there are people who suffer

from these allergies. And, yes, celiac disease is *very* real. I asked

my doctor to double check the test results he had, which checked for

antibodies against gluten, wheat, and milk, and they were all

negative. Furthermore, the other tests indicate that my CCK levels are

fine, my pancreas checks out, and there is absolutely no evidence of

liver disfunction. I just do not fit into the mold for celiac disease.

And quite personally, I do not believe that this Paleolithic Diet that

he is pushing there as well, is at all healthy. I believe in

low-fat/high fiber. 'Nuf said.



>What *I* would really

>like is an herbal preparation that will either help relieve the attack

>itself (meaning the bladder is relaxed and stops trying to excrete), or

>relieve the pain of the attack when it's happening (similar to aspirin,

>that simply relieves the sensation, not the causation).  Gall bladder

>attacks can be quite debilitating while they are occurring.



Beano (an OTC digestive enzyme) helps, but you need to take it with

your first bite of food. Taking it *after* you've eaten, even

immediately, doesn't do anything. For pain that comes on *after* you

eat, strong peppermint tea works well for me. (Personally, I've found

that when you need the medicinal properties of peppermint, you need to

make it much stronger than you do for simple pleasurable drinking

purposes.) Use at least 2 tea bags and steep for at least 5 minutes.

Honey makes a good sweetener, as refined sugar tends to irritate

further. 

The actions of peppermint are:

Antispasmodic, digestive tonic, prevents vomiting, carminative,

relaxes peripheral blood vessels, promotes sweating but also cools

internally, promotes bile flow, analgesic.

This kind of explains *why* it is a good remedy for gallbladder pain.

Let me know if it helps.



Cheers,

GCM

 

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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: hogganr@cadvision.com (Ron Hoggan)

Date: 14 Apr 98 05:37:03 GMT

--------

Hi GMC, 



In article <35320fb2.21958133@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk>, 

jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk says...



>>You don't appear to be listening to what this person is saying.  

>        Exactly! I went to this guy's website and took a look around.

>You wouldn't believe what I found. Dozens of articles blaming

>everything from acne to ADHD, and everything in between, on

>gluten/wheat/milk intolerance and celiac disease. (Which is basically

>a malabsorption syndrome of sorts.) 



Actually, it is an autoimmune disease, although malabsorption is involved.





>        O.K., I really do believe that there are people who suffer

>from these allergies. And, yes, celiac disease is *very* real. I asked

>my doctor to double check the test results he had, which checked for

>antibodies against gluten, wheat, and milk, and they were all

>negative.



Oh,so your doctor had blood tests run to rule out what Don suggested ruling 

out. So I guess Don gave you good advice, but you didn't need it. We aren't 

as lucky on this side of the Atlantic. Celiac disease is still viewed as very 

rare over here. It isn't, of course, but I guess we will need studies here 

before most of our doctors will recognize that it is as common here as it is 

in Europe. 





 Furthermore, the other tests indicate that my CCK levels are

>fine, my pancreas checks out, and there is absolutely no evidence of

>liver disfunction. I just do not fit into the mold for celiac disease.



That's great! If you had celiac disease, you would probably have deficient 

levels of CCK. My point is that this issue wouldn't  even have been 

considered by most North American practitioners. Clearly, your doctor and Don 

were both suggesting ruling out a valid and valuable possibility that just 

doesn't apply to you.



best wishes, 

Ron Hoggan 

 







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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:42:32 GMT

--------

On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>Don Wiss wrote in message <356b1224.180646427@news.panix.com>...

>>

>>... You have to realize this low fat fad started when the vegetable

>>oil sellers needed a market for their product, as people were moving from

>>oil based paint to latex paint in the 50's. So to get people to eat these

>>oils they bashed fats, their competition.

>

>Sorry, but that's total BS. 



I'm not sure where to start, since you are sooo misinformed. Or should I

say gullible. 



> Oils are fats are lipids.  The move away from

>oils or fats should not be confused with the cholesterol scare.  The move to

>lower cholesterol was spurred by research linking it with heart and arterial

>diseases. 



This research was paid for by the vegetable oil sellers. The way you sell

something is you design a study that gets the results that you want. If it

doesn't you throw it away and start over again. 



According to the 10/21/97 issue of Circulation the ongoing Harvard study

concluded that the ratio of TG:HDL was the most significant risk factor in

developing CHD. The TG:HDL ratio was a better predictor than total

cholesterol (TC), better than TC:HDL ratio, and better than LDL:HDL ratio.



So what is your TG:HDL? My TG is 78 and my HDL is 76, from my Paleolithic

diet. Is yours better than mine on your low-fat diet?



> The low-oil diet is based on two principals, the first being

>that, since oils have twice as many calories as carbohydrates, you could eat

>more carbs without having to work off all the excess. 



My, are you out of it! Stop by alt.support.diet and see just what people

say puts on weight. You will find that carbs puts on weight, and fat

doesn't. Haven't you heard of lowcarb diets? Guess what? They work, and

they work superbly. How about low-fat diets? Their success rate is abysmal

and the people on them are always starving. Go stop by that newsgroup and

see for yourself.



> The second much more

>serious reason for limiting oils is the strong evidence linking high-fat

>diets with increased cancer risks. 



I can also show you studies linking high carb diets with increased cancer

risk. Depends on who is paying for the study. Matter of fact, Stanislaw

Tanchou "....gave the first formula for predicting cancer risk. It was

based on grain consumption and was found to accurately calculate cancer

rates in major European cities. The more grain consumed, the greater the

rate of cancer." Tanchou's paper was delivered to the Paris Medical Society

in 1843. (Vilhjalmur Stefansson's book _Cancer Disease of Civilization_

1960; Hill and Wang, New York, NY.)



> A number of studies actually showed the

>risk of certain cancers was higher with the poly-unsaturated oils that many

>people had begun substituting for animal fats than with the saturated fats.



Correct. Humans did not evolve eating vegetable seed oils. They evolved

eating animal fats. And hydrogenated oils are foreign to the human body.



>>In the past 10 years Americans have jumped big time on the low fat

>>bandwagon and obesity in the US has gone up dramatically. We are now the

>>fattest in the world, thanks to our low fat diet.

>

>Well, that sounds real nice, but the facts just don't bear it out.



Sorry, but they do.



>Americans as a rule have not dramatically lowered their fat intake, and it

>still hovers well above that in countries with truely low fat consumption.



Huh? When was they last time you were in a grocery store? You can't buy

something without it being low-fat.



>>For a look at what humans evolved to eat see:

>>

>>  The Paleolithic Diet Page:  http://www.panix.com/~paleodiet/

>

>Guess that's why we have all these grinding molars, huh?  Not.



You obviously didn't bother to go and read anything off the page, but just

felt like spouting off. Too bad. I predict someday you will come down with

one or more of the diseases of civilization. They are: all autoimmune

diseases, cancer, dementia, strokes, cholesterol problems, heart problems,

obesity, high blood pressure, arthritis, osteoporosis, etc. Since none of

these existed in the Paleolithic era, how can you say a Paleolithic diet is

unhealthy?



Don.





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:06:20 -0400

--------

OK, Don, one more post, and I'll let you rave on alone.



The web site *you* directed me to has as it's first citation an article

entitled "Paleolithic Nutrition: Your Future Is In Your Dietary Past".  In

this article, the authors point out that the real problem with modern diets

is the reliance on *processed* foods, or to quote, "sugars and sweeteners.

... Products of this sort, together with items made from highly refined

grain flours, constitute empty calories."  The evidence against grains is

interesting but not particularly convincing, except as a side note that we

should probably be limiting total calories including that from carbohyrates.

Some very interesting piemiological studies on longevity and health have

given evidence that people who eat less *total* calories live longer and

healthier.  The main thrust of the article was not promotion of a high-fat

or high-meat diet at all, as your posts imply, but the *increased* use of

"fruits, vegetables, nuts and seeds".  According to the author, "Early

humans obtained about half of their calories from carbohydrates, but these

carbohydrates were rarely grains. Most carbohydrates came from vegetables

and fruit."  The remainder would come presumably from fats (including the

considerable amount contained in the nuts and seeds which were an important

part of the diet) and from protein.  The article goes on to point out that

the meats eaten were from game animals like "deer and bison", both of which

(any good cook can tell you) are *very* low in total fats.  In fact, one of

the reasons venison is thought by some to be inferior to beef or pork in

cooking qualities is because the low fat content makes it much easier to

overcook, resulting in a dry, tasteless leathery wad.  And Bison (which I

admit I have not cooked yet) is promoted (along with the hybrid "Beefalo")

as a lower-fat alternative to beef.  In other words, my friend, the

paleolithic diet IS LOW FAT compared with many modern diets, in part because

the meats available to ancient man were themselves very low in fat.  The

article seems to be mainly a caution against reliance on refined

carbohydrates, another ho-hum subject, as this has been pointed out ad

nauseum by virtually every organization and publication concerned with

health for many years.



Another aspect of the healthy benefits of this paleolithic diet which you

neglect to mention is that the "nomadic foraging lifestyle required vigorous

physical exertion", which is probably chiefly responsible for any perceived

benefits it imparts over and above the additional nutrition eating natural

unrefined foods provides.



The author also mentions the benefits of low salt intake and higher vitamin

intake (from *natural* sources), something widely promoted today and

something which few on this newsgroup would argue with.



Don Wiss wrote in message <3586d735.362195078@news.panix.com>...

>On Mon, 13 Apr 1998, "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:

>

>>Don Wiss wrote in message <356b1224.180646427@news.panix.com>...

>>>

>>>... You have to realize this low fat fad started when the vegetable

>>>oil sellers needed a market for their product, as people were moving from

>>>oil based paint to latex paint in the 50's. So to get people to eat these

>>>oils they bashed fats, their competition.





and Don also wrote:



>This research was paid for by the vegetable oil sellers. The way you sell

>something is you design a study that gets the results that you want. If it

>doesn't you throw it away and start over again.





As far as the "low fat fad" you mention being started by sellers of

vegetable oils, please give a reference if you can, as this just makes no

sense.  Vegetable oils ARE fats, as much so as any animal grease.  Ask any

nutritionist or organic chemist, if you don't believe me.  The low-fat trend

includes vegetable oils in it's list of items to avoid.  Your assertion that

it was begun and promoted by sellers of one of the prohibited items just

doesn't stand up to any kind of scrutiny, as they would certainly have

buried the results that showed that vegetable oils are not good for you in

excess, and can even be worse than animal fats.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:19:54 -0400

--------

Sorry, that should be

"Some very interesting epidemiological studies on longevity and health have"



Darned new-fangled keyboard.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:44:17 GMT

--------

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:42:32 GMT, donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

wrote:



>You obviously didn't bother to go and read anything off the page, but just

>felt like spouting off. Too bad. I predict someday you will come down with

>one or more of the diseases of civilization. They are: all autoimmune

>diseases, cancer, dementia, strokes, cholesterol problems, heart problems,

>obesity, high blood pressure, arthritis, osteoporosis, etc. Since none of

>these existed in the Paleolithic era, how can you say a Paleolithic diet is

>unhealthy?

>

>Don.



This is a classic case of putting the cart before the horse.  The

reason that these "diseases" are showing up now where they didn't in

the Palaeolithic age is fairly straightforward:



1)	We are now living a *lot* longer than our Palaeolithic

forebears did.  The average age of death in Palaeolithic times, and

indeed up until *very* recently (like the last 50 years or so) was in

the lower reaches of 40 years.  The biblical "threescore years and

ten" was a mark of *advanced* age, where now it is the *low* end of

the average life expectancy in "civilised" countries.  These

"diseases" are the diseases of old age.



2)	Many of these diseases have only really come into their own in

the past 50 years, since we've gained the medical technology to

diagnose them.  In the past, death from a stroke, or a heart attack,

or from high cholesterol levels would have looked the same - the

person just keeled over one day and died.  Deaths from cancer,

autoimmune disease, and so forth were written down as deaths from

wasting illnesses.  However, the most common form of death was death

from infectious disease.



Now, in reference to the earlier point about human dentition:  Humans

are most closely related to chimpanzees, an omnivorous ape.  The human

dental pattern shows a *mixture* of tooth types - we don't have a pair

of huge canine teeth, with sharp incisors and tiny molars, so humans

*aren't* solely carnivores.  We don't have flat, grinding molars with

no incisors or canines, so we *aren't* solely herbivores.  What we

have in our mouths (or at least, this is what we've got over here in

Australia, I haven't a *clue* what you people in the US are using) is

a *mixture* - chisel-like incisors at the front (like rodents), small,

sharp canine teeth with small sharp premolars (like carnivores), and

wide, flat grinding molars at the back (like herbivores).  Surely this

would point to humans and human ancestors being evolved to deal with a

wide variety of foodstuffs?



Human digestion is another pointer to this conclusion - while we have

a digestive system which is quite capable of dealing with meat

products, we also have a liver which produces its own cholesterol -

something no *exclusive* carnivore has (this is *why* we have

cholesterol problems - we keep gaily producing our own at the same

time as we're eating someone else's).  While we have a digestive

system which can deal with vegetable fibre, we do not have the

enlarged caecum of a herbivore.  Instead we have a digestive system

which is designed to deal with *both* types of food.  Point taken?



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:17:34 GMT

--------

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie) wrote:



>This is a classic case of putting the cart before the horse.  The

>reason that these "diseases" are showing up now where they didn't in

>the Palaeolithic age is fairly straightforward:

>

>1)	We are now living a *lot* longer than our Palaeolithic

>forebears did. 



I get really tired of this fallacious argument. Our ancestors most often

died of infectious diseases and accidents. The ones that got past this

lived a long time. So yes, the average was low.



>The biblical "threescore years and

>ten" was a mark of *advanced* age, where now it is the *low* end of

>the average life expectancy in "civilised" countries. 



The bible is from the Neolithic era. Life expectancy dropped in the

Neolithic. We started eating grains and there was a lot of illness from

this foreign food. Many died out, and most people today can now eat grains

without getting an obvious disorder like celiac disease. But some, mostly

living far from where farming started, slipped through and can get celiac

disease.



> These

>"diseases" are the diseases of old age.



But they also hit some young. If they hit just 0.001% of the young that is

enough for the natural selection process to weed it out over time.



>2)	Many of these diseases have only really come into their own in

>the past 50 years, since we've gained the medical technology to

>diagnose them. 



Diagnosing them or not, natural selection would have weeded them out.

Remember I'm not the one that has labeled these Western diseases.



>Surely this

>would point to humans and human ancestors being evolved to deal with a

>wide variety of foodstuffs?



>Instead we have a digestive system

>which is designed to deal with *both* types of food.  Point taken?



Point taken for what? No one has claimed that we are carnivores. Until we

developed tools (2 million years ago) our meat consumption would have been

minimal. It did include insects, as we would have had a high vitamin and

high protein diet to become intelligent enough to figure out how to make

tools. Our diets would have varied with the season. Even on the savannah

there is a dry season, when vegetable matter is scarce. After moving north,

in the winter only meat was available. Our ancestors ate vegetables

(especially green leafy ones), meat, fish, nuts (including coconut), seeds,

berries, fruit, roots, tubers, olives, and insects. They did not eat

grains, dairy, beans, refined sugar, vegetable seed oils, and other foods

that require technology to make edible.



And of course the food they ate was organic and the meat didn't have

hormones or antibiotics.



Don (at panix com).





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Subject: Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:17:50 GMT

--------

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 11:17:34 GMT, donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

wrote:



>On Thu, 16 Apr 1998, magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie) wrote:

<snip>

>>The biblical "threescore years and

>>ten" was a mark of *advanced* age, where now it is the *low* end of

>>the average life expectancy in "civilised" countries. 

>

>The bible is from the Neolithic era. Life expectancy dropped in the

>Neolithic. We started eating grains and there was a lot of illness from

>this foreign food. Many died out, and most people today can now eat grains

>without getting an obvious disorder like celiac disease. But some, mostly

>living far from where farming started, slipped through and can get celiac

>disease.



Beg pardon?  How do you come to that conclusion?  Could you please

point me towards the literature that states this?  In particular,

could you please reference your comment that the incidence of coeliac

disease is more pronounced in people coming from those cultures where

farming was not common.  I'm sure it would be of great interest to

some doctors in outback Australia, who are dealing with a largely

Aboriginal clientele.  



The Australian Aborigines only *heard* about farming in the last 200

years, yet as far as I am aware, their incidence of coeliac disease is

the same as for "western" cultures.  What *is* higher is their rate of

diabetes, heart disease and other such digestive-based conditions,

since they switched to a predominantly "western" diet.  It may have

been the nastiest thing we ever did to them!



<snip>

>Point taken for what? No one has claimed that we are carnivores.



Could you read back over your previous posts?  I certainly read them

as being strongly advocatory of a largely carnivorous diet, and from

the postings of others who have responded to this thread, I'd say that

other people did too.



>Our diets would have varied with the season. 



I can agree with this.



>Even on the savannah there is a dry season, when vegetable matter is scarce.



Yup, okay so far.  All very believable.



> After moving north, in the winter only meat was available. 



Which continent are you talking about here?  It certainly isn't

Africa, which, according to most literature, is where humans evolved.

You may have seen something different, in which case, I'd appreciate

knowing what your sources are.  If, however, you are talking about

moving north *into Europe*, again, where are you getting your

information from?  It seems very likely that there are undiscovered

Palaeolithic sites all around the Mediterranean, with one of the major

reasons that they haven't been discovered being that *people* *are*

*still* *living* *there*.  While early humans may well have been less

"intelligent" than their modern descendants, they certainly weren't

stupid.  In all likelihood, they would not have headed off to the

northern reaches of the continent, but rather clustered in a more

temperate (Mediterranean!) climate during the winter.



--   

Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm





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Subject: High Blood Pressure and Acupressure

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 01:55:07 GMT

--------

	I am currently being treated for symptoms that seem to point

to a gallbladder problem. The test results are still pending, but both

the doc and I are pretty convinced that's what they are going to show.



	Anyhow, I was shocked to realize that my rock-steady blood

pressure, which has *always* ranged from 110-115 over 70-75, had

skyrocketed to 142/92. The doc believes it is because of whatever is

ailing me at the moment, supposedly the gallbladder. He says that pain

of any sort, and of course the stress of feeling ill for an extended

period of time, can cause the blood pressure to rise dramatically. He

wanted me to come in for a 6-day BP check to get a base-line view of

it, to see if he needed to consider treating it (because it is

considered borderline high blood pressure). So, at the same time, I

decided to see if I could regulate it with acupressure. Here's what

happened:

Day 1: 130/85

Day 2: 125/82

Day 3: 116/75

Day 4: 114/73

Day 5: 106/61

Day 6: 113/72

And when I went to see him today, a week after the BP checks, it was

114/72.

I told him what I had done and he was astonished.

For anyone interested, the acupressure point I used is SPLEEN 6.

Get a good acupressure diagram and try it, it just might help. (It's

much easier if you can *see* where it is, as opposed to having me

describe it to you.)

I used it X3 daily (at mealtime, so I wouldn't forget) until the 6

days were up and then once every night before climbing into bed. I

found that it is also very relaxing and helps me fall asleep easier

and I sleep much better as well.

I had also noticed that if I happened to be experiencing a bit of

heartburn, I could actually feel it going away while applying pressure

to this point, and it didn't come back for the rest of the day. So I

decided to look up the points for heartburn/indigestion to see what I

would find. I was surprised (or maybe I wasn't) to learn that it is

one of the 5 recommended points for treating heartburn, especially if

it is associated with gas.

Hope this brings some relief for someone else too. I'd be interested

to know if it does.



Cheers,

GCM

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Subject: Echinacea

From: "John Miller Family" <rjmiller@pld.com>

Date: 9 Apr 1998 02:06:43 GMT

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Am looking for info about Echinacea.  Could taking this herb produce

symptoms such as fasciculations when they weren't experienced before? 

Stopping the herb has made no difference but I'm wondering.







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Subject: Herbs with little testosterone

From: unixon_31@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 19:52:03 -0700

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I am looking for herbs with mild testosterone effect to the boby.

This would be different from herbs like tribulus that increase our

Luteinizing hormone thereby raise our testosterone.

To be specific , the herb I look for should compete with our own

testosterone for test. receptor protein at the cell level of our body.



Thanks





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Subject: Re: New Image Plus SPAM

From: 'budding herbalist' <herbal@thewoods.org>

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 07:31:00 GMT

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Carol, you've been here long enough to hear our constant refrain, "Study,

educate yourself, learn about the herbs before you dose with them."



Of course it is always a good idea to buy where you know the quality and that

can be the neighborhood health / food supplement store, or an internet store.



I guess I really messed up by not suing the dr and the pharmacy the last time

an Rx didn't work for me.  But for cryin' out loud, when you buy an

unprescribed herb, you have no one to blame but yourself if you bought the

wrong one.



Herbs can be powerful, we probably wouldn't bother with them if they weren't!



Deb





Benda Boan wrote:



> I am not a lawyer buy if a person is harmed by buying a product with no

> controls then that person/persons should be able to get compensation.  That

> is almost impossible when you buy Herbs and other supplements on the

> Internet.

> --

> Carol .....

> ***Do fish get "cramps" after eating?***

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~}<{{{O>

>

> > In my opinion, entering into a contract such as buying anything, with the

> > plan to sue is part of our country's problem.  Are we sure you aren't a

> > lawyer?

> >

> > Deb

> >











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Subject: New to Herbal Remedies

From: secretsquirrell@webtv.net

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:22:59 -0400

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  HI everyone-I'm new to all these herbal stuff and need some advice. 

  A woman I work with got me started on St.Johns Wort a few weeks ago

due to stress at work(we are both Animal Control Officers) and I was

impressed with the results. I also picked up some herbal cleasening kit

and some ginseng. It seems to work and I was somewhat amazed that herbs

could do this,

   Now I want to try more herbs for a few other problems I have but dont

know what to take. I have suffered for months from continous sinus

congestion and a feeling that my left ear is "stopped up". What would

everyone recommend?

  Also my husband suffers from a severe skin problem. He gets little dry

spots that turn white then flaky all over his body. He has been to a

dermatalogist who prescribed a salve that worked for while but then

stopped working. So he learned to live with never taking his shirt off

in public, not even on our boat if we had friends out. People tend to

get a little strange when they see the spots. The doc said it was a

severe form of ezcema. Any suggestions on a herbal remedy? He is ready

to try anything!

   Thanks in advance for the info!!









  "What is my joy if all hands,even the unclean, can reach into it?What

is my wisdom,if even the fools can dictate to me?What is my freedom,if

all creatures,even the botched and the impotent,are my masters?What is

my life,if I am but to bow,to agree and to obey?"

                        

                                Ayn Rand   

                       





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To: secretsquirrell@webtv.net

Subject: Re: New to Herbal Remedies

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 13:47:56 -0700

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For sinus congestion (actually all winter long) I take 1 Cayenne capsule

w/meal, supposedly counteracts the formation of mucus and Papaya enzymes 4X

a day, dissolved between cheek and gum; I've read that this reduces

inflammaton of all sorts and thins mucus. (BTW, papaya chewed aids

digestion, or so I've read).

June

All the usual disclaimers and datclaimers



secretsquirrell@webtv.net wrote:



> <snip>

>    Now I want to try more herbs for a few other problems I have but dont

> know what to take. I have suffered for months from continous sinus

> congestion and a feeling that my left ear is "stopped up". What would

> everyone recommend?

>

>











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Subject: Re: New to Herbal Remedies

From: eggs@telusplanet.net

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:42:04 GMT

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On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:22:59 -0400, secretsquirrell@webtv.net wrote:





>  Also my husband suffers from a severe skin problem. He gets little dry

>spots that turn white then flaky all over his body. The doc said it was a

>severe form of ezcema. Any suggestions on a herbal remedy? He is ready

>to try anything!

>   Thanks in advance for the info!!

>

Penelope Ody's Complete Medicinal Herbal suggest several things to try

for eczema, including: Evening primrose oil capsules and either

stinging nettle ointment or chickweed ointment. (The stinging nettle

doesn't sting once it's dried and processed, by the way :) You should

be able to find at least one of these at a health food store.



Good luck,

E





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Subject: Re: New to Herbal Remedies

From: Rebecca Haley <peacefrog63@geocities.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 01:50:29 -0400

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eggs@telusplanet.net wrote:

> 

> On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 07:22:59 -0400, secretsquirrell@webtv.net wrote:

> 

> >  Also my husband suffers from a severe skin problem. He gets little dry

> >spots that turn white then flaky all over his body. The doc said it was a

> >severe form of ezcema. Any suggestions on a herbal remedy? He is ready

> >to try anything!

> >   Thanks in advance for the info!!

> >

> Penelope Ody's Complete Medicinal Herbal suggest several things to try

> for eczema, including: Evening primrose oil capsules and either

> stinging nettle ointment or chickweed ointment. (The stinging nettle

> doesn't sting once it's dried and processed, by the way :) You should

> be able to find at least one of these at a health food store.

> 

> Good luck,

> E



I would recomment a salve of comfrey and calendula. Comfrey is excellent

for healing any skin disorder. Lavender oil is also good for skin

disorders.





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Subject: Re: New to Herbal Remedies

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 01:12:48 GMT

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Try nettles infusion, 2 cups a day if you have sinus problems. 





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Subject: Re: New to Herbal Remedies

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 11 Apr 1998 03:54:00 -0700

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secretsquirrell@webtv.net wrote:



>   Now I want to try more herbs for a few other problems I have but dont

>know what to take. I have suffered for months from continous sinus

>congestion and a feeling that my left ear is "stopped up". What would

>everyone recommend?

  Echinacea and Thyme (Goldenseal is being overharvested and is

almost extinct in places because of overuse).

  The Echinacea is an anti-inflammatory and will stimulate your

WBC to clear out the excess fluid.  Thyme is a low-level

antibacterial that is excreted through the mucous membranes after

you eat it: puts the effect right into the sinus cavity where it

is needed.



>  Also my husband suffers from a severe skin problem. He gets little dry

>spots that turn white then flaky all over his body.

  Perhaps psoriasis?  Make sure he gets enough fatty acids:

adding fish oil to the diet might help a bit. 

  A strong tea of burdock root as a lotion, dabbed onto the

lesions, might help - it's also consumed in the extract form for

psoraisis.







Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Lower Cholesterol ?

From: nick <hero.uk@btinternet.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 16:11:14 +0100

--------

A guy in our Shanghai office did some limited tests at university on

rats fed with chitosan (I think 85% deacetylation value) which

apparently show reduced blood lipid levels.



Has anyone else heard of any research on this?



Nick Carter





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Subject: Green tea has caffeine?

From: "EJ" <emackay@juno.com>

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:17:31 -0700

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Does green tea have caffeine?



--



EJ













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Subject: Re: Green tea has caffeine?

From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 18:24:06 GMT

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On Thu, 9 Apr 1998 10:17:31 -0700, "EJ" <emackay@juno.com> wrote:



>Does green tea have caffeine?



Yes.



--

Siobhan Perricone

"Tact is just a mutual agreement to be full of shit"

- From Spider Robinson's "Stardance"





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Subject: Re: Green tea has caffeine?

From: minya1@aol.com (Minya1)

Date: 10 Apr 1998 15:20:08 GMT

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I believe green tea and black tea come from the same plant -- Camellia Thea, so

probably the answer is, yes, green tea has caffeine.  The method of preparation

differs -- that might make a difference.





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Subject: Re: Green tea has caffeine?

From: Skydog (Gregory Pease) <skydog@value.net>

Date: 11 Apr 1998 00:46:47 GMT

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Minya1 <minya1@aol.com> wrote:

: I believe green tea and black tea come from the same plant -- Camellia Thea, so

: probably the answer is, yes, green tea has caffeine.  The method of preparation

: differs -- that might make a difference.



The amount of "fermentation" the leaf goes through after harvesting

determines its colour and flavour.  However, the process does not *add*

caffeine, as some have suggested.  If it ain't in the leaf, it ain't in the

tea.



In fact, many green teas have MORE caffeine than black teas.  



Some other caffeine lore:  The darker the roast, the less caffeine in the

coffee.  Further, espresso has less caffeine than drip brewed coffee, as the

heat either destroyw or volatilizes the chemical.



Regards,

Gregory





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Subject: Re: Help with Rash

From: cheeena@aol.com (Cheeena)

Date: 09 Apr 1998 19:39:16 GMT

--------

hi - this was similar to a question i was going to post. i get a seasonal rash

- literally, about once a year for a few miserable, itchy weeks. i can't figure

it out in terms of possible floral culprits since it's happened both in LA and

in NYC. tiny little itchy bumps, first one, then a few more, then a

constellation along one unfortunate limb (fortunately it's mostly confined to

legs or arms). It also seems to be inherited from my mother.

so what ointment can I use to reduce the amount/time/intensity of the bumps? i

tried comfrey root paste but all it did was cover me in a greasy pungent cloud.

:( What about herbal supplements? Which ones are good for skin problems?

thanks, --ac





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Subject: Cholestron

From: alczap@thorne.com (Al Czap)

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 12:36:18 -0800

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I read this press release on cholesterol testing in 3 minutes.  Anyone

have any opinion?  It follows:



April 6, 1998--Lifestream Technologies Inc. (OTC BB:LFST - news) announced

Monday the successful

completion of its clinical trials for its In-vitro, hand held, cholesterol

diagnostic device, the Cholestron(tm). 



The Cholestron(tm) along with the Privalink interactive operating system

offers diagnostic and health information solutions that are unparalleled

in the

industry today. The Cholestron(tm) measures cholesterol levels in 180

seconds. With the receipt of these favorable clinical results, the company

is in

position to move forward with its FDA filing. 



The clinicals were conducted at Pacific Biometrics Laboratory in Seattle,

a certified Center for Disease Control (CDC) traceable laboratory. The

Clinical

results of the Cholestron(tm) verified that both precision and accuracy

were well within the established FDA guidelines. According to Erika

Ammirati,

Lifestream's FDA Regulatory Consultant: ``These numbers are almost

perfect. I hope you don't expect all your products to test this well - the

numbers

don't get much better than this.'' 



Lifestream's President Christopher Maus stated: ``The test results from

the clinical trials demonstrate that our superior technology allows the

company to

offer laboratory accuracy and precision at a fraction of the price of any

competitive product. The estimated pricing for the Cholestron products

range

from $129.95 to $299 for the complete operating system, whereas other

cholesterol testing devices cost thousands of dollars.'' 



The Cholestron(tm) is anticipated to have a major impact on health

management programs which are underway in most all of the over 1,000

Managed

Care organizations which are now servicing over 144,000,000 people. As

well, there are major initiatives underway for similar health management

services, through personal wellness programs, in over 70,000 pharmacies.

Ultimately we see the Cholestron(tm) entering the home diagnostic market,

which is estimated to reach $4 billion in the United States alone by the

year 2000. Lifestream, along with Privalink is presently in numerous

discussions

with major health organizations and pharmaceutical companies in an effort

to bring this unique health care solution to the market. The combined

product,

Cholestron/Privalink, together creates an individualized health

(lifestyle) program. These personalized programs are generated through

Privalink's

security system, which guarantees personal privacy as well as supports

increased compliance for lipid therapy programs and gives practitioners

immediate outcome data. Lifestream meets the needs of two of the hottest

health care issues in the marketplace today. 



Furthermore, Maus stated that: ``These successful clinical results will

allow our company to move rapidly from development stage to a full

operating

company. Along with our strategic alliance with Roche Diagnostics,

Lifestream is poised to fulfill any possible product demand in the

marketplace. We

are all very excited to be entering this new phase.'' 



Lifestream Technologies Inc., with headquarters in Sandpoint, is engaged

in the design, development, and manufacture and marketing of medical

diagnostic products for use by physicians and pharmacists, as well as for

individuals for personal use at home. The Cholestron(tm) is a rapid

cholesterol

diagnostic instrument, which integrates the Privalink ``smart card''

technology, creating a unique health communication system. There is no

other

system on the market that can offer such a complete solution at any price:

this commercial health information network allows physicians, pharmacists

and other health professionals to communicate in real time and to offer

customized, personal, wellness plans geared specifically to their

patients.





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Subject: Scientology, SBGA, and Carrie

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 22:07:11 GMT

--------

The following website has a sensational article about

someone who died while taking SBGA.  I have no affiliation

with this website, and cannot vouch for its accuracy.



http://www.ezlink.com/~rayr/articles/120797b.htm









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Subject: detox and skin cleansing "cocktail"

From: Robert Westbrook <westbroo@netaccess.on.ca>

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:25:25 GMT

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Could anybody suggest a detox and skin cleansing cocktail.I have had acne 

since puberty and I am now 35



Robert





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Subject: what do the ratios on liquids mean?

From: Jonathan Kandell <jkandell@U.Arizona.EDU>

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 16:29:23 -0700

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I bought some Enzymatic Institute Valerian/Passionflower mix. It contains

those herbs at "1:1", which I presume means 1 part herb to 1 part alcohol. 

The recommended dose is 15-30 drops twice a day. 



With pills (especially standardized doses) one knows exactly how many mg's

one is getting. But with drops how does one know?  Especially since

different liquids are 1:1, 1:4, 1:5 etc.  



j









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Subject: Re: what do the ratios on liquids mean?

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:13:05 -0500

--------



Hi j,



I *think* the ratio means 1 part valerian to 1 part passionflower 

starting material - then extracted into alcohol.



When you are dealing with extracts, you're taking the herb in a very 

concentrated form.  It depends on how much (by weight) of the herb was 

used in the original volume of alcohol, and it also depends on the 

quality of the herb.  To my knowledge these preparations are not yet 

standardized by anyone.  



  Gale



> I bought some Enzymatic Institute Valerian/Passionflower mix. It contains

> those herbs at "1:1", which I presume means 1 part herb to 1 part alcohol. 

> The recommended dose is 15-30 drops twice a day. 

> 

> With pills (especially standardized doses) one knows exactly how many mg's

> one is getting. But with drops how does one know?  Especially since

> different liquids are 1:1, 1:4, 1:5 etc.  

> 

> j





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Subject: Eclipta alba, Berberis aristata

From: gregbravo@aol.com (GregBravo)

Date: 10 Apr 1998 01:24:50 GMT

--------

Hi all:



Can anyone tell me about these herbs (Eclipta alba, berberis aristata?)  A doc

prescribed them (with others) in an ayurvedic combination.  Are they safe? 



Thanks.



GregBravo@aol.com





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Subject: Sore throat:Swiss lavender essential oil s GREAT!

From: patanie@hotmail.com (Patane Pongp)

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:40:30 GMT

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As I have discovered since a year.



I cannot believe how much it works well.



Do other people know about this???



Also I found cinnamon e.oil great for diarrheas in tropical countries.



If you know more about this please write me at:



cyranonospam "at" nospam.twics.com



Remove all the "nospam"!



Cheers to all!



PS:As I cannot use antibiotics what could I use when I become sick?



Lavender also,twice,seemed to block my fever within 2 days!

Any similar observations???





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Subject: herbal teas to help get pregnant?

From: airmidnd@aol.com (Airmidnd)

Date: 10 Apr 1998 03:02:30 GMT

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I have sone some research, but it is kinda confusing.  I have a mostly Yang

constitution for a woman.  What would be a good basic formula for tea to help

me get pregnant?  I keep finding conflicting info on things like blue cohosh,

ginger, etc.

Thanks





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Subject: Re: herbal teas to help get pregnant?

From: intikilla@aol.com (Intikilla)

Date: 10 Apr 1998 04:58:43 GMT

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>What would be a good basic formula for tea to help

>me get pregnant? 



Well, THere are many herbs one can take to help the body's reproductive system.

Chast tree berry, or VITEX is an excellent herb to take. It is rather bitter,

so tea would be hard to swallow. Another good herb is Dong Quai, Red raspberry

leaf, False Unicorn Root, nettles, Angelica, licorice, Saspirilla. MOst of

these herbs,including  the COHOSHES are uterine stimulants and promote

menstruation, not necessarily  fertility.  THe same thing with Ginger. Although

in SMALL doses it is ok to take during the first trimester of pregnancy for

morning sickness. 



My favorite herb, though, has to be Chast tree berry, because it acts wholy on

the female reproductive system. Actually, it helps the pituitary gland, which

helps promote ovulation. My second favorite is False Unicorn root. Since the

actual herb is hard to find( at least in California) I use the tincture. 



As you read about herbs and fertility, you will note that most herbs, in fact,

are uterine nurishers, or stimulants. Things that stimulate, can cause

contractions, so be careful of these during pregnancy. The ONLY herb that I

have found to be useful in aiding conception, is chaste tree. The others are

good so that the uterus is a healthy and nurshing environment for the fetus. 



Hope this helps..



My favorite herbal book is by DAVID HOFFMAN and is called  The New Holistic

Herbal.



~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

Trish

mail to Intikilla@aol.com                   









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Subject: Re: herbal teas to help get pregnant?

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:07:13 -0500

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Here's an article by a midwife friend of mine.



Help in Achieving a Healthy Pregnancy by Cindy Cornia, midwife

A woman's fertility depends upon a complex interaction between several hormones that induce ovulation and maintain conception after ovulation. If you are having difficulty achieving pregnancy, there are some natural things you can do to increase your odds of conceiving

Maintain good nutrition. Eat plenty of whole grains. Be sure to include at least one large serving of green vegetables per day, and one large serving of a Vitamin A-rich food (like carrots or apricots). 

Consider supplementing your diet with Vitamin B6. Some experts highly recommend a supplement called Optivite. Optivite was formulated to help control PMS. Many couples find Optivite is useful in correcting fertility problems related to hormonal imbalance. Optivite is expensive and may be difficult to find. 

Underweight or too lean. Having too little body fat can affect fertility. Fatty tissue converts androgens (male hormones) into estrogen, providing one-third the total estrogen in the normal woman. Ten to fifteen pounds above the so-called "ideal" weight provides a better balance of estrogen and is more beneficial to conception. 

Know your mucus. Within one to two weeks after the end of your menses you will begin to notice some vaginal mucus. At first the vaginal mucus may be white or cloudy with a "tacky" feel to it. As ovulation approaches, the mucus becomes more profuse, clearer, and stretchy. Fertile mucus looks like raw egg whites. For more detailed information on fertility awareness contact the Couple to Couple League at PO Box 111184, Cincinnati, Ohio. 45211. CCL teaches a very affordable and effective course in natural family planning. By writing the address above CCL, can refer you to a teaching couple near you. 

Position. Along with the proper timing of intercourse, you can increase the odds by using the missionary position. Use this position (male on top) with a pillow under the women's hips to utilize gravity. If at all possible don't get up immediately after intercourse; stay in this position for 15 to 30 minutes. 

Pull out the night light. Women who carefully reduce the night lighting in the bedroom typically experience improvement in their mucus patterns within one to three cycles. For most women, the sources of night illumination in the bedroom are easily identified and controlled -- hall lights, digital clocks, street lights, and so forth. The body has a definite "biological clock" that resists resetting. This rhythm is trained by the day-night cycle. Nerve impulses originate from the light receptors of the eyes and ultimately affect reproductive hormones. The influences of light on fertility are not fully understood by the scientific community. In many native cultures women trying to conceive are advised to have intercourse during the dark phase of the moon. 

As we move into our 30's most women experience a reduction in both the quality and quantity of fertile vaginal mucus. Adequate mucus is essential in fertility because it provides the best means of sperm motility. Cervical mucus also has nutrient qualities that nourish the sperm in transit. There are three things you can do to increase your mucus.

1. Increase Vitamin A-rich foods (Also Optivite).

2. Use raw egg white as a coital lubricant.

3. Consider taking a cough medicine with guaifenesin in it (Robitussin expectorant) after your period, and up to ovulation. This drug has been shown to liquefy mucus of all types, including vaginal mucus.



What Husbands Can Do.

1. Avoid tight underwear or anything that increases the temperature of the testicles, such as hot baths or Jacuzzis.

2. Increase your Vitamin C intake to 1000 mgs. a day. A study done in 1987 found that vitamin C supplementation can increase the sperm count by as much as 140%. 

Hope theses suggestions will help you out.



Kay



 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: St. Johns Wort

From: "Thomas Bravard" <thumb@direct.ca>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 04:01:05 GMT

--------

My wife has been taking Paxil to relieve some

depression she has been feeling while going 

through menopause.  She has been off the Paxil

for three weeks now.  Her depression was diagnosed as mild.

St Johns Wort seems appropriate.  it comes in two doses

300 mg and 500mg which would be the wisest to start?

My pharmacy training says 300mg at first as well use as

the package direction recommend.



Is this a good course of action?



Please email me at thumb@direct.ca



				Thomas

				Student Practical Nurse





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Subject: Kava Kava Side Effects?

From: Charlie Zito <czito@goldcst.com>

Date: Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:26:39 -0700

--------

Anyone know of any side effects from Kava Kava used per instructions? 

Any problems with the liver?  We just started taking it and find it very

relaxing!



Thanks.



Charlie Zito

Gold Coast Internet Services

http://www.goldcst.com





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Subject: Re: Kava Kava Side Effects?

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 11:40:55 GMT

--------

On Thu, 09 Apr 1998 23:26:39 -0700, Charlie Zito <czito@goldcst.com>

wrote:

>Anyone know of any side effects from Kava Kava used per instructions? 

>Any problems with the liver?  We just started taking it and find it very

>relaxing!

Hi Charlie,

	I've personally never had any type of side effects with 

the use of Kava Kava, but I consulted my books and came up

with this:

Side Effects:  Several daily doses over several months may cause

scaly skin. Kava kava is contraindicated for people with Parkinson's

disease; its use may worsen the condition.



I don't use it on a daily basis....only when I'm really particularly

stressed out or when I'm having trouble falling asleep!

Hope this helps :)

bright blessings

bella

-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





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Subject: Re: Kava Kava Side Effects?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:27:18 -0400

--------

Charlie Zito wrote in message <352DBB9F.711515FB@goldcst.com>...

>Anyone know of any side effects from Kava Kava used per instructions?

>Any problems with the liver?  We just started taking it and find it very

>relaxing!

>

>Thanks.

>

>Charlie Zito

>Gold Coast Internet Services

>http://www.goldcst.com



The latest info I am aware of indicates there is no danger at therapeutic

doses.  The only verified side-effects have been in cases of repeated high

doses (as used in ceremonies where Kava is native), and those are alleviated

simply by stopping intake.  Of course, if there is a pre-existant liver

condition, I would be more cautious.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Kava Kava Side Effects?

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 00:03:24 -0400

--------

PDE wrote:

> 

> What brand of Kava Kava are you ppl using, I've tried Solgar brand

> expensive and it did'nt have ant effect whatsoever!

> 

> Thanks Phil







I bought the same brand and find that it takes the "edge" off and makes

me a nice color of mellow.



Fidget





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Subject: Re: Kava Kava Side Effects?

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:36:55 GMT

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On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:47:40 GMT, pde@pbennion.u-net.com (PDE) wrote:



>What brand of Kava Kava are you ppl using, I've tried Solgar brand

>expensive and it did'nt have ant effect whatsoever!





It really doesn't matter what brand you use, it's how much you use.

In this case, a couple of times daily, for a couple of months is what

my reference is saying.

I use it to take the edge off after a bad day, or after breakfast if I

know I'm gonna have a really stressful day ahead.  I also recommend it

for people who quit smoking, it takes that withdrawal nasty edge off a

bit.

Like with any herb, one shouldn't become dependant on it on a daily

basis.



bright blessings

bella

-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





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Subject: Re: Kava Kava Side Effects?

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 12 Apr 1998 06:04:16 GMT

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bella (Grizabella@jelliclecat.com) wrote:

:On Sat, 11 Apr 1998 12:34:03 -0500, markwegner@webtv.net (Mark Wegner)

:wrote:

:

:>It matters a LOT what brand of Kava Kava you use. I will not mention any

:>by name in this group, but make sure whatever kind you get is

:>standardized for kavalactones (sp?). If a brand is standardized for

:>kavalactones, then it doesn't matter what brand. Follow me? ;-)  Do not

:>buy the 100 capsules for $7.99 type of kava kava you find at the

:>drugstore. You have no idea what is in there strength-wise; it could

:>actually vary from capsule to capsule (not likely, but from jar to jar,

:>very likely).

:

:My books and various resources don't mention "kavalactones", and if I

:can find it in a drugstore much cheaper and at the potency I need I'll

:buy it there to save myself some money.   The bottle of Kava Kava I

:have is clearly marked "100 capsules 400 mg. each" for $10.99.  This

:is a reputable company that I've used often and have had no ill side

:effects and no problems with the herb not being up to par. 

:I always make sure to check the ingredients to make sure I have pure

:herb with no additives and that the proper part of the plant has been

:used (i.e. root, leaves, etc.) for the purpose I need.

:I'm a single mom, and pretty much on a fixed income so comparison

:shopping is a must for me.  I've had no problems at all with my

:"drugstore" brand vitamins, minerals, or herbs.

:

:bright blessings

:bella

:-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

:Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

:I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

: believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

:-- Louisa May Alcott



I think that if one chooses a reputable company, there will be little

difference between batches.  I've used non-standardized Kava Kava from time to

time, and I can tell you that two of them definitely make themselves felt,

while three knock me flat on my face. Proof enough for me. (I use them as a

sleep aid) 



On the other hand, I've tried several different brands of non-standardized

Gotu Kola, and have found that some of the lesser brands gave me no effect at

all.  Find a good brand, and non-standardized can be acceptable. The drawback

is that it takes a while to really know if that brand's strength remains

relatively uniform over time/batches. Nex





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    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

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Subject: Re: Kava Kava Side Effects?

From: "Michael Miller" <mikemiller@home.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:35:48 -0700

--------



Mark Wegner wrote in message <6go9ib$3qm$1@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>...

It matters a LOT what brand of Kava Kava you use. I will not mention any

by name in this group, but make sure whatever kind you get is

standardized for kavalactones (sp?). If a brand is standardized for

kavalactones, then it doesn't matter what brand. Follow me? ;-)  Do not

buy the 100 capsules for $7.99 type of kava kava you find at the

drugstore. You have no idea what is in there strength-wise; it could

actually vary from capsule to capsule (not likely, but from jar to jar,

very likely).

You get what you pay for.. it is probably gonna run you between $10 and

$15 for 30 capsules (closer to $10).



There have been studies done where the dosage has been 70 kavalactones

3X per day.. seems a little high to me..



I get very mild headaches for side effects.



Mark

(new to group, and sorry if I am breaking any rules)



I found that the Liquid Extract form from Botantical Preservation Corps is

very interesting. 10 - 15 drops under the tongue puts you in a deep

relaxation. It's only $10 for a small bottle that lasts for about 2 months.

    I also found that 15 drops of Vanatu Kava Extract and 15 drops of Calea

Zachetchichi Extract together 30 minuts before bedtime cause extremely vivid

dreams. An incredible experience. :)









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Subject: do-it-yourself extraction from herbs

From: unixon_31@hotmail.com

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:14:00 -0700

--------

I have heard that the essential element from herbs can be extracted by

alchohol to make tablet or power. Anyone the procedure that can be

performed at home?





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Subject: Re: do-it-yourself extraction from herbs

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:01:23 -0400

--------

unixon_31@hotmail.com wrote in message <352DE2D8.7B5D@hotmail.com>...

>I have heard that the essential element from herbs can be extracted by

>alchohol to make tablet or power. Anyone the procedure that can be

>performed at home?



Not sure what you mean by "essential elements".  Elements (calcium,

potassium, magnesium, etc.) in plants are generally not more soluble in

alcohol.  In general, the compounds most soluble in alcohol are organic

compounds, not minerals.



The process of evaporation of extracts of organic compounds, unless carried

out under low temperature and vaccuum (freeze-drying) and/or controlled

atmosphere (pure nitrogen, for example), can lead to degradation or

evaporation of many of the compounds.  It is the alcohol content of

tinctures that tends to preserve the compounds, by slowing oxidation (and of

course being in a sealed container prevents evaporation).  It would really

depend entirely on the herb being extracted, as the active compounds vary

widely in chemical structure and reaction, solubility, volatility, etc.

Some of the resinous compounds woul make the best candidates for a simple

home-made procedure - things like myrrh and the other plant gums.  Trying

the same procedure with herbs like mint or chamomile, OTOH, would be a waste

of time, since the activ compounds would be lost in the drying.



And, you should be aware that concentrating some extracts could even be

dangerous, since taking herbs on whole-plant form, infusions, or even

tinctures is somewhat self-limiting with regard to dosage, whereas solid

extracts need to be handled and used with much greater care to avoid

overdose.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: do-it-yourself extraction from herbs

From: eggs@telusplanet.net

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:46:28 GMT

--------

On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 02:14:00 -0700, unixon_31@hotmail.com wrote:



>I have heard that the essential element from herbs can be extracted by

>alchohol to make tablet or power. Anyone the procedure that can be

>performed at home?

Hi,



The info you've been given is a bit oversimplified. Sometimes the

active ingredient in herbs is water soluble, so the herbal medicine is

made up as a tea or the like. Sometimes it's extracted by soaking the

herbs in oil. Sometimes in alcohol. Othertimes the dried or fresh

herbs are taken directly (eg. some powders are just dried herbs with

nothing done to them.) Herbs can also be made into salves and creams

for external use. So it really depends what herb you want to use, and

what you want to use it for. Get a good reference book with recipes,

like those by Penelope Ody.



Have fun!

E





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Subject: Re: do-it-yourself extraction from herbs

From: getsman@sendit.sendit.nodak.edu (Damon Getsman)

Date: 12 Apr 1998 06:38:16 GMT

--------

unixon_31@hotmail.com wrote:

: I have heard that the essential element from herbs can be extracted by

: alchohol to make tablet or power. Anyone the procedure that can be

: performed at home?



	Essential elements can be extracted from herbs easily if you know

the chemical makeup of the target chemical that you want to extract, first

of all, and enough chemistry to find a way to get that out of everything

else.  Usually alcohol is used with herbs that have an alkaloid that you

want to get out...  Usually alkaloids aren't in the kinds of herbs that

I've seen posted about in here so far, either.  *grin*

	But seriously, kitchen chemistry can help you pull out the

purified chemical of what you need, but you need to find out what the key

chemical is in the herb that you'r extracting from, find all kinds of

solubility information on that and every other chemical in the plant, then

devise a formula for it.

	Like I said, there are a few extraction from herb methods on the

net, but they're usually not for ginseng, ma huang, and things like that.

;-)





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Subject: Re: do-it-yourself extraction from herbs

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 26 Apr 1998 00:13:49 GMT

--------

Really don't understand how a tincture can taste bad. Why not take them in

something yummy like hot chocolate?





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Subject: Treating Anxiety and stress with Red Sage(salvia splendens)

From: patanie@hotmail.com (Patane Pongp)

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 12:22:47 GMT

--------

The Red Sage is a marvellous newly discovered herbal medicine to treat

anxiety and stress.



The active principles of this very common ornamental sage,found all

over the world,are hypothesised to be neoclerodane diterpens(salviarin

and/or splendidin or both).Other sages might also have similar

properties,such as salvia pseudococcinea or salvia coccinea(Texas

sage).



The Red Sage works only sublingually.



In case of anxiety or over dose of stress just chew a leaf and place

it under the tongue for 20 minutes.



You will feel an amazing peace of mind and tranquillity lasting for

about 4 to 6 hours or more if you take more leaves.No euphoria at

all.Only an anti anxiety effect,the dream of some pharmaceutical

companies!



Experiment only with step by step increasing dosage.

I leaf,I and a half leaf,2 leaves until you find your optimal dosage.



Subjective effects are reminiscent somewhat of SSRIs and Prozac.



Anti-anxiety effects of 1 sublingual leaf seem to be equivalent to the

anti-anxiety effect of 2 mgr of the benzodiazepine

Lorazepam(Temesta,Trademark).

Cheers



P.P





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Subject: Re: Treating Anxiety and stress with Red Sage(salvia splendens)

From: smi@sch.tiac (Samson)

Date: 11 Apr 1998 01:47:02 GMT

--------

In article <352e0d95.10433270@news.twics.com>, patanie@hotmail.com

(Patane Pongp) wrote:



[...]

> Subjective effects are reminiscent somewhat of SSRIs and Prozac.

> 

> Anti-anxiety effects of 1 sublingual leaf seem to be equivalent to the

> anti-anxiety effect of 2 mgr of the benzodiazepine

> Lorazepam(Temesta,Trademark).



Self-contradictory statement -- for those of us in whom the subjective

effects of SSRI's include anxiety.





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Subject: Re: Treating Anxiety and stress with Red Sage(salvia splendens)

From: covent@village.uunet.be.abc (Jean-Pierre Covent)

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 20:49:10 GMT

--------

patanie@hotmail.com (Patane Pongp) wrote:



>The Red Sage is a marvellous newly discovered herbal medicine to treat

>anxiety and stress.



(skip)



Can you please post this in the newsgroup alt.support.anxiety-panic.



Thanks

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Subject: Re: Treating Anxiety and stress with Red Sage(salvia splendens)

From: cwcook@acpub.duke.edu (Will Cook)

Date: 15 Apr 1998 16:33:06 GMT

--------

I missed the original post, but recently I happened upon a web 

page describing the anxiolytic effects of Salvia splendens.  I 

did a web search and came up with these two:



http://www.dog.net.uk/claude/salvia3.html

Effects of 1 sublingual leaf of Savlia Splendens



http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/plants/salvia/salvia-splendens.html

Salvia Splendens, reports of use



The anxiolytic effects of S. splendens were apparently 

discovered by people looking for new, legal psychedelic drugs.  

S. divinorum, a species native to Oaxaca, Mexico, is apparently 

a powerful hallucinogen that has long been used by indigenous 

inhabitants of the region.  People experimenting with other 

Salvias (to see whether they're hallucinogens) discovered the 

anxiolytic properties of the Brazilian ornamental S. splendens.



After reading these web pages, I decided to give it a try.  I 

bought some at the local home center, plucked a leaf, washed it 

thoroughly, placed it in my mouth, chewed a bit, then left it 

under my tongue for 15 minutes, as described in the web pages.  

The leaf has little taste.  I didn't notice any effect at 

first, but after about 30 minutes, I noticed I was feeling very 

calm and peaceful.  My mental functioning and reaction time did 

not seem to be affected.  It didn't make me drowsy at all.  I 

had the impression that my heart rate slowed down, but I didn't 

measure it.  The effects lasted for a few hours, but I can't say 

for sure how long because they left as gradually as they came.  

The only negative side effect was a slight feeling of 

constriction in the chest.  I've tried it several times since, 

with the same effects each time.  The web pages also mention 

smoking the herb, but I haven't tried that (if the sublingual 

method works, why mess with smoking?).



Of course, I could have been experiencing the placebo effect, 

but I can't really do a double-blind study on myself.  :-) I 

tested out two other Salvias, too -- S. x superba (a perennial 

flower) and S. officinalis (Sage).  These had no noticeable 

effect on me.  The genus name Salvia, by the way, refers to the 

supposed healing powers of the garden Sage (S. officinalis), 

and comes from the same root as "salve" and "salvation."



S. splendens hasn't been widely used, so there may be unknown 

side-effects, interactions, and bad effects from long-term use 

or taking too much, so be careful.  



As always, your mileage may vary.  If it doesn't work for you, 

at least you have some pretty flowers to plant in the yard!  

They're great for attracting hummingbirds, too.  Salvia 

splendens is very easy to find -- around here it is probably the 

most common annual bedding plant offered for sale.  It seems 

every home center and grocery store has it.  Prices here range from 

$1.29 to $1.69 per 6 plants (about 3 cents per leaf).  S. 

splendens is easy to grow if you have a yard and a sunny spot. 

It's probably easy to propagate, too, but I haven't researched 

this.  (Obviously, if you grow your own, the price per dose is 

negligible, plus you get the benefit of the flowers.)  Note: 

most mass-produced S. splendens is usually not labelled with its

scientific name -- it's commonly called Red Salvia (for its 

brilliant red flowers), but also has purple and white cultivars.



I did a web search for other anxiolytic herbs and found a 

couple of things that may be of interest:



Anxiolytic effects of Kan-Mai-Ta-Taso-Tang in rats

URL: http://www.ccmp.gov.tw/5e/5-86-26e.htm 

Summary: In our prelimary studies, Kan-Mai-Ta-Taso-Tang decreases avoidance 

scorces in two-way active avoidance task. Therefore, we attemp to

invetigate the anxiolytic effects of Kan-Mai-Ta-Taso-Tang by means of two-way 

active avoidance and elevated plus-maze and use diazepam and

buspirone as positive controls.



http://www.mothernature.com/stress.htm

PASSIONFLOWER (Passiflora incarnata)

SKULLCAP (Scutellaria lateriflora)

KAVA KAVA (Piper methysticum)

OATS (Avena sativa)

HAWTHORN (Crataegus oxyacantha)

CHAMOMILE (Matricaria chamomilla)

MUGWORT (Artemisia vulgaris)

HOPS (Humulus lupulus)

PEPPERMINT LEAF (Mentha piperita)



The above site is trying to sell you stuff, but these herbs may be 

worth a try, too.  I haven't tried any of them, but Mugwort is particularly 

interesting to me since it's a pernicious weed in my yard!



Hope this helps,



Will



(I'll post this to alt.support.a-p separately)



-- 

Charles W. "Will" Cook

cwcook@acpub.duke.edu

Duke University Botany Dept., Durham, North Carolina







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Subject: Re: Treating Anxiety and stress with Red Sage(salvia splendens)

From: cwcook@acpub.duke.edu (Will Cook)

Date: 15 Apr 1998 22:18:27 GMT

--------

On 15 Apr 1998 16:33:06 GMT, Will Cook wrote...

>

>I missed the original post, but recently I happened upon a web 

>page describing the anxiolytic effects of Salvia splendens.  I 

>did a web search and came up with these two:

>

>http://www.dog.net.uk/claude/salvia3.html

>Effects of 1 sublingual leaf of Savlia Splendens

>

>http://www.lycaeum.org/drugs/plants/salvia/salvia-splendens.html

>Salvia Splendens, reports of use

>



Just found another Salvia splendens site:



http://salvia.lycaeum.org/splendens.htm









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Subject: white spots on fingernails

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 10 Apr 1998 09:25:00 -0700

--------

Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!







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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: <asechesan@ameritech.com>

Date: 10 Apr 1998 22:41:43 GMT

--------

A zinc deficiency can cause the white spots that you are talking about.



See the URL  http://www.ozelink.com/natures_energies/zincplus.htm



Wigwam Outlet Stores <phokt@primenet.com> wrote in article

<6glh4s$hht@nntp02.primenet.com>...

> Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

> fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

> realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 12 Apr 98 17:40:14 GMT

--------

>Wigwam Outlet Stores <phokt@primenet.com> wrote in article

><6glh4s$hht@nntp02.primenet.com>...

>> Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

>> fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

>> realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!

>> 

>> 

asechesan@ameritech.com <asechesan@ameritech.com> wrote:

>A zinc deficiency can cause the white spots that you are talking about.



I've heard of this, and at the same time I'm pretty sure that

minor injury to the nail bed (jamming a finger) causes white spots

also.  There must be a difference in the way that zinc deficiency

white spots look compared to ones caused by slight injury.



I assume if it were zinc deficiency there would probably be spots on

most nails, and an occasional spot would more likely be the bruise type.

???





-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: eggs@telusplanet.net

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:48:02 GMT

--------

On 10 Apr 1998 09:25:00 -0700, phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet

Stores) wrote:



>Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

>fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

>realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!

>

Hi,

My recollection is that this is caused by a vitamin

deficiency...perhaps someone will be able to tell you what sort of

supplement you should take?



E





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To: eggs@telusplanet.net

Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:47:19 -0500

--------

As stated from your previous answer, the white spots under your fingernail

is from a vitamin deficiency.  Nothing to be concern about.  Just start

taking vitamins daily. I have had this condition for years, now I do not.

I am a firm believer in taking vitamins because we can not really get the

required amount that is needed.  The daily requirements were set, I think,

in the fifty's.  Problems like scurry was part of the reason for these RDA

to be set with the amount of vitamin C to provent this condition.  My

understanding is that the RDAs will be raised in the near future.  Our

foods are so processed and the soils so depleted of the essentials

vitamins and minerals that this rise supplemental intake will be required.

We will all look toward the future for many changes in the way we take in

our nutriental needs.  Dee    



On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 eggs@telusplanet.net wrote:



> On 10 Apr 1998 09:25:00 -0700, phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet

> Stores) wrote:

> 

> >Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

> >fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

> >realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!

> >

> Hi,

> My recollection is that this is caused by a vitamin

> deficiency...perhaps someone will be able to tell you what sort of

> supplement you should take?

> 

> E

> 

> 







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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:46:24 GMT

--------

On 13 Apr 1998, "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:



> the soils so depleted of the essentials

>vitamins and minerals that this rise supplemental intake will be required.



This is bullshit progagated by the sellers of minerals and vitamins. They

of course assume that farmers don't use fertilizers.



Don.





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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 10:53:28 -0400

--------

Don Wiss wrote:

> 

> On 13 Apr 1998, "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:

> 

> > the soils so depleted of the essentials

> >vitamins and minerals that this rise supplemental intake will be required.

> 

> This is bullshit progagated by the sellers of minerals and vitamins. They

> of course assume that farmers don't use fertilizers.

> 

> Don.





This is NOT BS...period!   You obviously don't understand the difference

between the word "natural" and "chemical".  The soil has been depleted

of "natural" nutrients since 1934 - even the damn government has

admitted to that (and if anyone is truly interested - I have the website

somewhere in my bookmarks - will just take time for me to find it -

simple request and I will pass it along).



Also, the fertilizers you refer to are NOT natural...they are chemicals

- unless of course you're talking about natural manure - then what

you're saying is BS!  Once the soil is depleted of "natural" nutrients

there is no way to replenish it except by using "chemical fertilizers"!



We are the ones ingesting those chemicals.  Science has discovered many

ways of doing great things with chemicals...even growing our foods. 

Most of our antibiotics are chemicals...they are synthetic. 



One thinks you need to do more research.  Nuff said. 



Fidget





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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:46:55 -0400

--------

Don Wiss wrote:

>

> On 13 Apr 1998, "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:

>

> > the soils so depleted of the essentials

> >vitamins and minerals that this rise supplemental intake will be

required.

>

> This is bullshit progagated by the sellers of minerals and vitamins. They

> of course assume that farmers don't use fertilizers.

>

> Don.





Don, you should really stick to things you know something about (or am I

assuming too much?).  Farmers do indeed use fertilizers, you got that much

right.  HOWEVER:



1)  The vast majority of fertilizers applied to agricultural land -

especially large crop areas, like corn, wheat, and other grains, soybeans,

etc. - contain only Nitrogen, Phosphorus, and Potassium, along with sulfate

or chloride to balance the cations, and sometimes calcium.  They do NOT

contain magnesium, nor do they contain any significant amounts of the

micronutrients - Iron, Boron, Zinc, Copper, Molybdenum, etc.  Even the

relatively expensive speciality fertilizers sold for high-value crops

sensitive to micronutrient deficiencies - mostly certain fruits and

vegetables - generally only contain those specific nutrients needed for the

specific crop to grow well and produce a saleable product and profitable

yield.  NONE of them contain elements like selenium or cobalt, both of which

are required or beneficial for human health but which do not boost yields.

Farmers apply just what the crop needs because it is EXPENSIVE to apply

extra nutrients that do not increase yields.  To summarize, fertilizers are

applied to supply the needs of the CROP, NOT the needs of the people who

consume them.



2)  The chemicals used in commercial fertilizers, and the actual elements

themselves, have a competitive, depressing  effect on the uptake of other

elements.  Nitrogen in the form of ammonium, a cation or positively-charged

ion in the soil solution, competes with other similarly-charged ions for

uptake; so adding a high-nitrogen fertilizer to boost yields actually

results in LESS uptake of the essential (to us) micronutrients by crops.

Phosphorus and potassium can also produce such an end effect, either by

competing for uptake or by reacting with other elements in the soil.

Phosphorus, for instance, reacts with a number of positively-charged ions

(like magnesium and iron) to form insoluble compounds that plants cannot

take up.  So you can get LESS essential (to humans) elements taken up by

adding fertilizer than if none were applied!



3)  Repeated application of chemical fertilizers has the demonstrated effect

of lowering the percentage of organic matter (humus) in the soil unless it

is supplemented by cover crops in rotation - something not often done

nowadays.  Organic matter is important because (among other things) it

decomposes gradually, releasing organic compounds and elements in the root

zones of crop plants.  Some of the organic products of decomposition can

form chelates with otherwise insoluble elements in the soil, rendering them

available for uptake by crops.  In hotter, wetter areas, this organic matter

may represent the only significant source of some of the micronutrients

required for our health as well as the plants' - but many of these elements

are NEVER supplemented in fertilizers, for the reasons mentioned above:

there is no increase in crop yield from doing so, only an additional expense

to the farmer.



Don, do yourself and us a favor - check your facts before you go attacking

people for their views.



-Rich (with bachelors and masters degrees in horticulture)











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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: kpfer1@silas-0.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms Kymberly Fergusson)

Date: 15 Apr 1998 10:42:45 GMT

--------

Don Wiss (donwiss@no.spam.com) wrote:

: On 13 Apr 1998, "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:

: 

: > the soils so depleted of the essentials

: >vitamins and minerals that this rise supplemental intake will be required.

: 

: This is bullshit progagated by the sellers of minerals and vitamins. They

: of course assume that farmers don't use fertilizers.

: 

Just wondering if chemical fertilisers actually have _any_ valuable and

usable vitamins and minerals?



Kymberly

------------------







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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:44:28 GMT

--------

On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:46:24 GMT, donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

wrote:



>On 13 Apr 1998, "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:

>

>> the soils so depleted of the essentials

>>vitamins and minerals that this rise supplemental intake will be required.

>

>This is bullshit progagated by the sellers of minerals and vitamins. They

>of course assume that farmers don't use fertilizers.

>

>Don.



Don:



Part of the reason that the soil *is* depleted is that farmers *have*

been using fertilisers for the past 50 years.  If you don't believe

me, do some research into organic agriculture, and also into the

impact of continuous fertiliser use on soil flora, fauna and

fertility.



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm





==========

Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: Elizwil@dingley.net

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 03:23:01 -0600

--------

To Don,

Are you living in the USA?  I would have thought that certain areas of your

farmland would have been the victims of salesmen in previous years, as we were

in Australia, of selling the farmers super duper, super phosphate, for their

depleted soils?



If so, then if you check what super phosphate does to the soil, you will then

understand why some of our minerals are depleted.  I understand that Magnesium

is locked up by it, which in turn causes other problems of absorption of other

minerals into the plants.  I have a friend [farmer] who has grown organically

now for some years, and he rattles off all these things to me about the

reasons he has turned organic, and I have to admit that his results are

staggering as far as taste and size are concerned.  His potatoes are second to

none and his beans, zucchinis and so on are superb.  He said he could never

get these results when he was using fertilisers, so there must be something in

it I suppose.



  There is so much information readily available these days, that anyone can

be an expert after reading it.  Sorry I cannot give any references, but the

heading of the Post threw me.  I imagine they were talking about minerals as

being the cause, or rather the "lack" of minerals in the body.



Liz.



In article <35356e7a.489546@loomi.telstra.net>,

  magpie @thornlietafe.wa.edu.au wrote:

>

> On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 03:46:24 GMT, donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

> wrote:

>

> >On 13 Apr 1998, "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:

> >

> >> the soils so depleted of the essentials

> >>vitamins and minerals that this rise supplemental intake will be required.

> >

> >This is bullshit progagated by the sellers of minerals and vitamins. They

> >of course assume that farmers don't use fertilizers.

> >

> >Don.

>

> Don:

>

> Part of the reason that the soil *is* depleted is that farmers *have*

> been using fertilisers for the past 50 years.  If you don't believe

> me, do some research into organic agriculture, and also into the

> impact of continuous fertiliser use on soil flora, fauna and

> fertility.

>

> --

>

> Meg, The Magpie

> magpie@megabitch.tm

>





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To: "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: Eric <erichan@unixg.ubc.ca>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:59:55 -0700

--------

Any body have any related information on long dark brown streaks running

down the nail?  I've got one about 2.5 mm thick,  running down my middle

finger.  Been there for 3 years.



D. Hagmeier-Ekborg wrote:

> 

> As stated from your previous answer, the white spots under your fingernail

> is from a vitamin deficiency.  Nothing to be concern about.  Just start

> taking vitamins daily. I have had this condition for years, now I do not.

> I am a firm believer in taking vitamins because we can not really get the

> required amount that is needed.  The daily requirements were set, I think,

> in the fifty's.  Problems like scurry was part of the reason for these RDA

> to be set with the amount of vitamin C to provent this condition.  My

> understanding is that the RDAs will be raised in the near future.  Our

> foods are so processed and the soils so depleted of the essentials

> vitamins and minerals that this rise supplemental intake will be required.

> We will all look toward the future for many changes in the way we take in

> our nutriental needs.  Dee

> 

> On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 eggs@telusplanet.net wrote:

> 

> > On 10 Apr 1998 09:25:00 -0700, phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet

> > Stores) wrote:

> >

> > >Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

> > >fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

> > >realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!

> > >

> > Hi,

> > My recollection is that this is caused by a vitamin

> > deficiency...perhaps someone will be able to tell you what sort of

> > supplement you should take?

> >

> > E

> >

> >





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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:58:19 -0700

--------

Wigwam Outlet Stores wrote:

> 

> Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

> fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

> realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!





Sometimes they are caused by small injuries to the nail while still in

the cutical.



J9





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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: davidcopperhead@usa.net (David Copperhead)

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 02:40:33 GMT

--------

On 10 Apr 1998 09:25:00 -0700, phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores) wrote:



>Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

>fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

>realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!

>



My Mommy used to tell me when I was a little kid that it meant

I told a white lie ;)









==========

Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:56:12 GMT

--------

On 10 Apr 1998, phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores) wrote:



>Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

>fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

>realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!



It is a nutritional deficiency as noted by the other responses. It is a

known symptom of undiagnosed celiac disease, which I highly suspect you

have. For more on this see:



  The Gluten-Free Page:       http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don (at panix com).





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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:14:59 GMT

--------

Hello,



as others have said it is a deficentcy in the diet.  The most common

reason is a Calcum defientcy.  Yet while you may be taking in calcium

your body also needs magnisium and zinc to help your body metabolise

the calcium.



Taking a good natural supliment will help in the short term but eating

a good balenced diet will be better in the long term.





On 10 Apr 1998 09:25:00 -0700, phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet

Stores) wrote:



>Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

>fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

>realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!

>



Ian Hunter

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html





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Subject: Re: white spots on fingernails

From: mk95528@cyberramp.net (Margie's Plant Clip Art)

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:03:32 GMT

--------

There is a darn good wellness book called "Your Face Never Lies" by

Kushi. This is top drawer info on the diagnosis of the body, including

the fingernails (bunch of pictures).  I have a popular catalogue at

hand that sells this book for $6.95. This has the best information

that I have ever seen about the fingernails. 

Try calling your local healthfood store to see if they have one on the

their handy shelf, you will probably want to add this one to your

research collection once you see it. (-; 



Margie

http://www.cyberramp.net/~mk95528/margie.htm



On 10 Apr 1998 09:25:00 -0700, phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet

Stores) wrote:



>Has anyone else ever had this problem?  I have had white spots on my

>fingernails since I was a teenager.  What will take these away.  I

>realize this is not a major problem, but one that just bugs me!







==========

Subject: German studies

From: BBaranowski@msn.com

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 10:32:08 -0600

--------

I keep hearing references to the results of German studies on herbal

treatments. Does anyone know how to maybe access them on www. or an address

to request a copy?



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Subject: Re: German studies

From: mtnwumman@aol.com (Mtnwumman)

Date: 13 Apr 1998 13:51:12 GMT

--------

>I keep hearing references to the results of German studies on herbal

>treatments. Does anyone know how to maybe access them on www. or an address

>to request a copy?



Go to the website for The Herb Research Foundation, where there is excellent

info, including about the German Commission E Monographs (volume of herb

research info)





==========

Subject: Re: German studies

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 18:46:36 GMT

--------

ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter) wrote:



>Hello folks, 

>

>does anyone know the web address?

>

>Thanks in advance

>

>On 13 Apr 1998 13:51:12 GMT, mtnwumman@aol.com (Mtnwumman) wrote:

>

>>Go to the website for The Herb Research Foundation, where there is excellent

>>info, including about the German Commission E Monographs (volume of herb

>>research info)



Two sites

http://www.herbalgram.org/herbalgram/ is working on publishing a full

book on the Monographs

http://ddmi.he.net/~herbs/index.html is the web address for Herb

Research Foundation



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/





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Subject: Re: Weight Loss & scams

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 10 Apr 1998 10:46:00 -0700

--------

Try to eat Ayurvedic for your Dosha (constitution).  It worked

miracles for me.....  I have great will power but did not do well on

any regualr "diets"   Loosing weight isn't a 'one size fits all'

situation.  sb



"Wizdom Toot" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com> wrote:



>Nothing helps you get rid of excess fat but eating less and moving more. 

>Everyone wants that magic pill or notion to "remove" fat while they

>continue with eating to much and not moving enough.  

>-- 

>Carol .....

>***Why is the alphabet in that order?***

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~}<{{{O>

>> 

>> Also try green tea.  According to the book, "Healing Teas," it can help

>you

>> get rid of excess body fat...sorry, I don't remember the author's name

>and

>> I don't have the book in reach.  

>> Garlic Goddess

>> 









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Subject: St. John's Active ingredient

From: The original Cutie <kmelwart@saturn.acs.oakland.edu>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:34:38 -0400

--------

Does anyone know where I can get information on the ingredients of St.

John's Wort in a pill vs. what's put into a tincture?



                      ***************************

                          kmelwart@oakland.edu

                    ********************************

                    http://www.oakland.edu/~kmelwart

                    ********************************







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Subject: Re: St. John's Active ingredient

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 17:18:39 GMT

--------

Nope.  It depends on who makes it.  At least for the pills.  Reading

the labels to find out the fillers is the only way.  Or

callling/writing each manufacturer.



Of course they all contain the herb, but the pills will contain inert

ingredients, too.  The tincture should just be the herb plus alcohol.



St. John's Wort isn't a formula.  It's a plant name.   Like Echinacea.





On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 15:34:38 -0400, The original Cutie

<kmelwart@saturn.acs.oakland.edu> wrote:



>Does anyone know where I can get information on the ingredients of St.

>John's Wort in a pill vs. what's put into a tincture?

>

>                      ***************************

>                          kmelwart@oakland.edu

>                    ********************************

>                    http://www.oakland.edu/~kmelwart

>                    ********************************

>



-----



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Patience helps.  



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Subject: myrhh oil?

From: kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds)

Date: 10 Apr 1998 21:35:37 GMT

--------

does anyone know where i can get myrhh oil for less then 30 or 20 bucks???

thanks!!

sara ;)

***check out my webpage!!!   http://members.aol.com/kyndthreds/kynd.html***

"mellow mood has got me darlin', let the music rock me, darlin' " -marley <3





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Subject: tea tree oil?

From: kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds)

Date: 10 Apr 1998 21:36:42 GMT

--------

i just bought tea tree oil to use on my acne spots, on the bottle it says do

not apply full strength to skin   how would i apply it??  mixed with water? if

so, how much water to oil??

thanks,

sara :)

***check out my webpage!!!   http://members.aol.com/kyndthreds/kynd.html***

"mellow mood has got me darlin', let the music rock me, darlin' " -marley <3





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Subject: Re: tea tree oil?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 18:44:06 GMT

--------

kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds) wrote:



>i just bought tea tree oil to use on my acne spots, on the bottle it says do

>not apply full strength to skin   



I don't know anyone who does not apply it straight.  Problem is that

some brands can be irritating to the skin.  I would try  applying a

tiny amount to one and make sure it does not irritate before using 

more.  Least irritating one I have found is Now brand, and it is 

only about $7 per ounce in many herb shops.



turf







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Subject: Re: tea tree oil?

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 10 Apr 1998 22:00:04 GMT

--------





I would place lotion in your hand -- the amount youd actually apply to your

skin and then apply 1-2 drops of tea tree to it before applying to your skin



Also You can add it to water say 15 drops or so per oz. skae well and apply to

skin like an astringent



just a couple of ideas



Jia



http://members.aol.com/JiaStar/aroma.html

for info on aromatherapy









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Subject: Re: tea tree oil?

From: sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date: 10 Apr 1998 22:24:32 GMT

--------

>i just bought tea tree oil to use on my acne spots, on the bottle it says do

>not apply full strength to skin   how would i apply it??  mixed with water?

>if

>so, how much water to oil??

>thanks,

>sara :)



I think it really depends on how sensitive your skin is, I use it full strength

sparingly and experience no adverse side effects.

SilDra





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Subject: Re: tea tree oil?

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 19:12:44 GMT

--------

On 10 Apr 1998 22:24:32 GMT, sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93) wrote:



>>i just bought tea tree oil to use on my acne spots, on the bottle it says do

>>not apply full strength to skin   how would i apply it??  mixed with water?

>>if

>>so, how much water to oil??

>>thanks,

>>sara :)

>

>I think it really depends on how sensitive your skin is, I use it full strength

>sparingly and experience no adverse side effects.

>SilDra



Me too. Just one little dab to each spot. The pure oil has never

caused any irritation for me. But I bought a tea tree oil *cream* once

and the cream actually caused the spots to fester and produce puss, so

I don't use that on my acne anymore. However, the cream seems to work

quite nicely on cuts and abrasions without causing the same irritating

effects.



GCM

**Remove SPAMBLOCKER from address to reply via e-mail**





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Subject: Re: tea tree oil?

From: acidfire@oaktree.net

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:18:53 -0500

--------

You need to use a carier oil, like joba or almond seed oil.

Hope this helps



G.







KyndThreds wrote:

> 

> i just bought tea tree oil to use on my acne spots, on the bottle it says do

> not apply full strength to skin   how would i apply it??  mixed with water? if

> so, how much water to oil??

> thanks,

> sara :)

> ***check out my webpage!!!   http://members.aol.com/kyndthreds/kynd.html***

> "mellow mood has got me darlin', let the music rock me, darlin' " -marley <3





==========

Subject: Re: tea tree oil?

From: ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:15:03 GMT

--------

Hello Sara, 



You can use Tea Tree as a topical application neat but just for a

short time and just one drop per spot.



A better way would be to dilute the oil in macadamia Nut oil to a 3 or

5% solution.  As oil and water do not mix you can not use water as the

carrier unless you are adding a few drops to a bath.  



I hope this helps





On 10 Apr 1998 21:36:42 GMT, kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds) wrote:



>i just bought tea tree oil to use on my acne spots, on the bottle it says do

>not apply full strength to skin   how would i apply it??  mixed with water? if

>so, how much water to oil??

>thanks,

>sara :)

>***check out my webpage!!!   http://members.aol.com/kyndthreds/kynd.html***

>"mellow mood has got me darlin', let the music rock me, darlin' " -marley <3



Ian Hunter

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html





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Subject: Re: tea tree oil?

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:50:57 GMT

--------

On 10 Apr 1998 21:36:42 GMT, kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds) wrote:



>i just bought tea tree oil to use on my acne spots, on the bottle it says do

>not apply full strength to skin   how would i apply it??  mixed with water? if

>so, how much water to oil??

>thanks,

>sara :)

Try mixing it with two parts olive oil,

one part tea tree oil.

Paul







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Subject: Re: Lower Cholesterol with WASTE

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:38:29 -0400

--------

I find it interesting that your attack on chitosan seems entirely based on

the fact that it has been used as a fertilizer and animal feed.  You should

be aware that seaweeds have been used exactly the same way, where they are

plentiful - and they are sold at fairly high prices as supplements taken for

their high mineral content (especially oraniall-bound iodine), and are

widely used as both foods and flavoring agents.  In Asia shrimp are commonly

consumed shell and all, so chitin is already a part of the diet of a rather

large number of people.  You remind me of the attacks on wheat germ and bran

some years back, when they were also just "animal feed" and hence (of

course) of no possible benefit to humans.



-RJO



Wizdom Toot wrote in message <01bd645a$11897fe0$737041cf@default>...

>No. And this product is the "waste" from seafood plants.  It used to be

>used as fertilizers and added to some animal feeds.  Now they're trying to

>make big $$$ selling it for human use.  It's a WASTE product.

>--

>Carol ....

>

>> A guy in our Shanghai office did some limited tests at university on

>> rats fed with chitosan (I think 85% deacetylation value) which

>> apparently show reduced blood lipid levels.

>>

>> Has anyone else heard of any research on this?

>>

>> Nick Carter

>>









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Subject: Re: Lower Cholesterol with WASTE

From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:22:53 GMT

--------

On 11 Apr 1998 08:36:19 GMT, "Wing Ding" <Nospam@myhouse.net.com> wrote:



>Changing their diet will lower almost everyone's cholesterol without

>seafood Plant waste products.  Oat Bran is also helpful and well known as a

>cholesterol lowering agent.  Instead of selling waste to people with high

>cholesterol why not suggest a better, healthier diet instead of selling

>them "waste"?

>

>They may not even know what they're eating that's causing the high

>cholesterol.



The tendancy to have high cholesterol is more related to genetics than it

is to anything else.  The intake of dietary fat does impact cholesterol

levels, but not exactly in the ways one might think.



For instance, my family has a predisposition to turn fat into cholesterol

in the blood.  I got it from my dad, who got it from his dad.  My overall

cholesterol level was 243.  My husband, on the other hand, sheds

cholesterol like he sheds water when he gets out of the shower.  His

overall cholesterol level was about 165.



Because we both suffer from GERD, we made a shift in our diets to lower

fat, trying for more fiber (difficult to do when you have my meat eating

husband), etc.  His overall cholesterol dropped to 129 and the ratio

improved greatly.  Mine actually rose to 246.  But, my ratio got a lot

better, too.  Our doctor was pleased with *both* changes, despite my

cholesterol actually going up.



I'm still working on lowering my cholesterol, and improving my ratio.  I

don't do all I could, and I'm not very good about sticking to the low fat

diet, but I am concerned about all the saturated fats I eat (goddess, I

miss cheese), and my lack of exercise.  I work at home tied to a computer

all day.  *sigh* need to set up a schedule to move around... but I've lost

my point somewhere.... *looks around for her point*  Oh, yeah, just that

diet does have an impact, and I agree that it's important, but there's

nothing wrong with selling "waste" either.  I notice you didn't even

address my previous post that pointed out there are *many* products we use

every day that are "waste" products.  Think of all the diary products that

are "waste" of other processes.



--

Siobhan Perricone

Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.

It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight

to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. 

      -Johnny Hart





==========

To: Wing Ding <Nospam@myhouse.net.com>

Subject: Re: Lower Cholesterol with WASTE

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 07:35:25 -0700

--------

Carol...with as many alias's as days of the week...

For many, diet and exercise alone doesn't significantly reduce cholesterol.

Would you suggest to users of Pravachol or the like, to just stick with the

traditional treatments...(who needs a liver anyway?)  My husband uses diet and

exercise and Pravachol, and we would try anything to get him off the meds.  Why

trade one evil for another, if there may be an alternative route?

Time for lunch, pass the chicken feed, please?

June



Wing Ding wrote:



> Changing their diet will lower almost everyone's cholesterol without

> seafood Plant waste products.  Oat Bran is also helpful and well known as a

> cholesterol lowering agent.  Instead of selling waste to people with high

> cholesterol why not suggest a better, healthier diet instead of selling

> them "waste"?

>

> They may not even know what they're eating that's causing the high

> cholesterol.

> --

> Carol .....

> *** News Flash:  "Kids make Nutritious Snacks". ***

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~}<{{{O>

>

> Richard Ogden <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote in article

> <6gm39l$1ur@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

> > I find it interesting that your attack on chitosan seems entirely based

> on

> > the fact that it has been used as a fertilizer and animal feed.

> >.  You remind me of the attacks on wheat germ and bran

> > some years back, when they were also just "animal feed" and hence (of

> > course) of no possible benefit to humans.

> >

> > -RJO

> >











==========

Subject: Re: Lower Cholesterol with WASTE

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 12 Apr 1998 06:10:46 GMT

--------

HOLLIDAY (holliday@nep.net) wrote:

:Carol...with as many alias's as days of the week...

:For many, diet and exercise alone doesn't significantly reduce cholesterol.

:Would you suggest to users of Pravachol or the like, to just stick with the

:traditional treatments...(who needs a liver anyway?)  My husband uses diet and

:exercise and Pravachol, and we would try anything to get him off the meds.  Why

:trade one evil for another, if there may be an alternative route?

:Time for lunch, pass the chicken feed, please?

:June

:



And besides the statin drugs like Pravachol, drugs like Gemfibrozil or Lopid

are prescribed, which have a *completely* different action in lowering

cholesterol. It seems that if Carol wishes to denigrate everyone here, she

might try to bone up on her knowledge a bit first. She'd be much more

effective, and people might actually listen to what she has to say. Right now,

she's just a nuisance. Nex





    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: Lower Cholesterol with WASTE

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:35:19 -0400

--------

There is an absolutely incredible amount of absolute rubbish at this site!

A few examples:



"The DNA of the human body is made up of vitamins and minerals."



Ummm... ever heard of "nucleic acids?"  Apparently not.



"The thyroid has sent its fluid to the stomach  juices to further masticate

the foods and prepare them for the large intestine."



Funny, I never knew the thyroid was connected to the stomach; and the actual

digestion takes place primarily in the small intestine, not the large

intestine.



"List the molecules of the substance.  Be careful to check for color, and

black dots."



Ah, yes!  Gotta watch out for those black dots!!!  And of course you can

identify every molecule in everything you eat, right?  I guess all those

colors are from whatever you smoked before writing this malarkey?



"Carrot, cooked, the vitamin A is sent to the intestines then by osmosis to

the saline which utilizes what it needs, then to the bloodlines by osmosis

again."



Sent to the WHAT?  To the "saline"?  What the blank is that?  Are we

inventing new organs now?



"How to recognize a non-biodegradable substance.   There are seven colors in

molecules of the human  body.  Solid colors are red, white, yellow, green,

blue, and brown, grey. "



Ah, well, I always wondered about that!  So did we forget our medication

again?



"If any molecule shows black dots in one or more of the twelve segements, it

is toxic, the lower form,  and will be a causation to disease if consumed.

An edible, when analized by microscope, must be of  the seven colors

described, free of black dots."



Y'know, I've looked through a LOT of microscopes in my time, and I'll be

darned if I didn't miss every one of those black dots.  As for electron

micrographs, the only instrument actually powerful enough to see molecules -

well, there are no colors.  So maybe everything is actually black dots, and

we're all gonna die someday!



"What are the natural fat substances?  Lanolin, from meat sources, cheese,

butter, lard, peanut oil, olive oil, whole milk, but not homogenized milk. "



Ah, sorry to bring this up, but lanolin is formed by the skin of sheep.

ONLY sheep, not even "meat sources".  It is obtained by boiling or otherwise

extracting from wool.  Not exactly your everyday food product...



Well, I could go on, but there's really no point.  Go visit the web site,

it's really good for a laugh!  There are lots of pretty pictures of intent

young men bending over various shaped bottles of colored water, but

unfortunately (surprise, surprise) not one valid reference to any research,

published or otherwise.  These IS a list of references, none of which as far

as I could tell have anything to do with the conclusions presented.  A waste

of time, IMHO, except for the amusement value.



-Rich



    Aquarius1922@webtv.net wrote in message

<6hau4e$drg$1@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

    The web-site is in blue -

    www.angelfire.com/hi/veronneau/index.html  or:  press on Alternative

    Medicine...

    There are many researched articles - medical research....











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Subject: Re: Lower Cholesterol with WASTE

From: John <laptop@i-zone.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:53:57 +0100

--------

In article <6hlr3t$e7o@obi-wan.fdt.net>, Richard Ogden

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> writes

>There is an absolutely incredible amount of absolute rubbish at this site!

>A few examples:



[stuff snipped]



I must say that I agree totally with you. The stuff on that site, and,

sadly, at times in this group, is total hogwash. It would appear to be

well meaning, but it is misinformed and in some cases dangerously so.

There's stuff promulgated here that a grade school science student would

wince at..



Somehow, somewhere, it has got into peoples heads that because a

drug/treatment is 'herbal' or 'natural' or 'non-invasive' that it is

therefore appropiate and better than the man-made ones perscribed by a

regular medical practicioner. This is rarely the case. The stuff a

medical practicioner perscribes may well be a derivative of an effective

folk remedy, but it is purified and tested before it goes onto market.

Also, the doses are measured, which is something that is nearly

impossible to gauge accurately when dealing with non standardized

remedies (or, for that matter, street drugs, for the same reason).



People need to realise that 'natural' ain't neccesarily 'harmless' or

'beneficial'



John





==========

Subject: Re: Lower Cholesterol with WASTE

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 23 Apr 1998 02:28:10 GMT

--------



Richard Ogden wrote:



>There is an absolutely incredible amount of absolute rubbish at this site! 



It's coming from both sides - from some of the skeptics and from the

believers. Where is the alt.folklore.herbs of yore?  And why do the extremists

provide so little entertainment value?  Least they could do. Nex



OBafh: been using panax quinquefolium extract with good results. 



    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: MORTAR&PESTLES

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 17:43:01 -0400

--------

Also, try Asian or latin Amrican food stores.  They make much more use of

fresh-ground herbs and seeds than us Westerners, and you can usually pick

one up at a very reasonable price.  I got one from a Chinese food store in

my area that is made of hard stone and has a bowl big enough to hold about a

pint for around $25.



-Rich



slade or kay henson wrote in message <6ftre1$skd$1@news3.alpha.net>...

You should be able to find it at your local health food store.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade















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Subject: Re: Futurebiotics Male Power

From: sorry@no.email (Joseph Maxwell)

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:08:40 GMT

--------

jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie) wrote:

> I have no idea what's in it, but it probably just means a

> change in your sleep cycle where you are in more REM sleep

> closer to your wake up time.  Functional men typically become

> erect during REM sleep.



     Wow, Jamie, this is really interesting.  The only other thing

that I can recall that was different was that I also began taking

Melatonin at bedtime, and I have definitely been having better

and deeper sleep.   Thanks for the response.

    Of course, I guess Melatonin would not really work as an

aphrodisiac unless you could figure out a way to have sex

in your sleep.  Hmmmm.



JM







==========

Subject: Looking for Bulk Nepeta Cataria, catnip (tops & leaves) 100lbs

From: hmmm@muny.com

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 01:53:12 GMT

--------

I need 100 lbs at a time of choice fresh and organic catnipo that I sell to

pet stores in 1/2 and 1 ounce bags for cats. Must be great looking and not

toy grade or p[owdered or sifted...please respond here and I will check

this out bi dailey....Incorporated and serious...thanks....Kevin





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Subject: Echinacea and Allergies

From: "Kyle" <KEcclest@pe.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:08:48 -0700

--------

I have sinus allergies and find that when I take echinacea my sinus

congestion seems to get worse.



Since allergies are misguided immune systems responses, is it possible that

echinacea might strengthen them (the allergies) as well as other immune

responses?









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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Allergies

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 11 Apr 1998 03:59:00 -0700

--------

"Kyle" <KEcclest@pe.net> wrote:



>I have sinus allergies and find that when I take echinacea my sinus

>congestion seems to get worse.

>Since allergies are misguided immune systems responses, is it possible that

>echinacea might strengthen them (the allergies) as well as other immune

>responses?

  I get the opposite effect: my allergies and congestion improve

with Echinacea.  The action of the herb has nothing to do with

the part of the immune response that is involved in allergies.

  You might be allergic to the plant itself.  Or, perhaps the

initial action of the herb (making your white blood cells "eat"

more bacteria and dead cells) might make the congestion worse for

a day or so.  What happens if you continue it for several days?



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and Allergies

From: "Coyote_pub" <coyote_pub@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 08:53:21 -0600

--------

I just wanted to put my 2 cents in.  I notice that when I take Echinacea

while congested it clears it up faster.

That's all!



Tom



"Try to leave the past behind, memories don't appeal."

Remove ^x^ from my email address to reply



Kyle wrote in message <6gmjd9$mrb$1@lasierra.pe.net>...

(snip)









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Subject: What is "Spermaceti" ?

From: joanne@inetex.com

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:44:42 -0600

--------

I've found this old recipe for cold cream which calls for spermaceti.  Has

anyone ever heard of this?  Could you possibly email me if you have?



Thanks in advance,

Joanna



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Subject: Re: What is "Spermaceti" ?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 11 Apr 1998 04:03:00 -0700

--------

joanne@inetex.com wrote:



>I've found this old recipe for cold cream which calls for spermaceti.  Has

>anyone ever heard of this? 

  It's a fatty substance found in the heads of sperm whales ...

not politically correct to use.  



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: What is "Spermaceti" ?

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 15:07:22 GMT

--------

In article <35314ba7.5366062@news.primenet.com>,

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>joanne@inetex.com wrote:

>

>>I've found this old recipe for cold cream which calls for spermaceti.  Has

>>anyone ever heard of this? 

>  It's a fatty substance found in the heads of sperm whales ...

>not politically correct to use.  



In the U.S., it's illegal to import, just like all

other whale products.



Our laws on whale products are totally screwed up.

Even white ambergris is banned.  Ambergris is used as

a fixative in perfumery, and it is found floating in

the ocean.  It comes from the decomposing bodies

of dead whales on the bottom of the ocean.  But it's

still considered a whale product, hence illegal.



While the U.S. defends the rights of its native Inuit

people before the International Whaling Commission

to continue to practice whaling, we oppose letting the

Japanese harvest abundant species of whales like the Minke.

Our policy on whaling couldn't be more brain-dead.









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Subject: Re: What is "Spermaceti" ?

From: "James&Jane Schindler_Ord" <jasord@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:24:03 +0100

--------

Hi Joanne,



Spermacetti is a white waxy substance that is produced by the Sperm Whale to

keep it buoyant.  It is taken from dead whales so I would use lanolin (oil

from sheeps wool) instead.



Take care,

Jane.:o)



--

james6@waveland.org



Help build a world wide environmental network at,

www.waveland.org

joanne@inetex.com wrote in message <6gmova$bq3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>I've found this old recipe for cold cream which calls for spermaceti.  Has

>anyone ever heard of this?  Could you possibly email me if you have?

>

>Thanks in advance,

>Joanna

>

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Subject: Re: What is "Spermaceti" ?

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 18:00:02 GMT

--------

sper-ma-ce-ti - a waxy solid obtained from the oil of cetaceans and

especially sperm whales and is used in ointments, cosmetics and candles.

========

As whale hunting has gone out of fashion, spermaceti has become very

difficult to obtain, along with ambergris and whale oil.



Paul







==========

Subject: New Messageboard

From: dmayhew@bellatlantic.net

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 10:16:00 -0600

--------

I have a new message board, if anyone would like to use it to post messages

about alternative medicine.



Debbie

Herbs for Health

http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/messageboard/mbs.cgi/mb63608



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Subject: Garlic

From: Bill Young <byoung@alaska.net>

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 16:53:42 GMT

--------

I am looking for hardy German red garlic that can be shipped now.

Catalog sources will not ship 'till fall and that is too late to plant

here. If anyone knows a source that will ship now or has any they would

sell please contact me. Thanks!  Bill Young, Alaska





==========

Subject: herbs safe for pregnancy?

From: "paul wasson" <sysiphus@iconnect.net>

Date: 11 Apr 1998 18:11:36 GMT

--------

I'm new to this newsgroup and am learning new things.  I'm pregnant and

would like to know if anyone knows of safe herbs to take while pregnant to

help with the baby's health.







==========

Subject: Re: herbs safe for pregnancy?

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:45:03 -0500

--------

Red Raspberry and Nettles is what I drink daily. I'm due in 8 weeks. There are several different herbs to avoid while pregnant. Most midwives are knowledgeable in this field, as well as Herbalists and N.D.'s.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: herbs safe for pregnancy?

From: Cookie <amsarra@ptd.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:01:47 GMT

--------

paul wasson wrote:

> 

> I'm new to this newsgroup and am learning new things.  I'm pregnant and

> would like to know if anyone knows of safe herbs to take while pregnant to

> help with the baby's health.





Hi!

	I am relatively new to this newsgroup also but I am currently taking a

Herbology course.

	I was sent the following as part of a course and am only happy to share

it with you and the rest of the group.



	Herbs Contraindicated During Pregnancy

Angelica		Ephedra			Motherwort

Basil			Ergot			Mugwort

Black Cohosh		False Unicorn		Origanum

Blue Cohosh		Feverfew		Osha root

Blue Vervain		Flax seed		Pennyroyal

Buckthorn		Gentian root		Rosemary (in flowers)

Calendula		Ginger			Rue

Camphor			Ginseng			Saffron stigmas

Caraway seeds		Hops			Sage

Cascara Sagrada		Horseradish (fresh)	Senna

Castor Oil		Hyssop			Sumac berries

Catnip			Larkspur		Tansy

Celery seed		Lavendar		Thyme

Chamomile		Marjoram		Turkey Rhubarb

Cotton root		Marshmallow		Wormwood

Dong Quai		Mistletoe



	In addition to these herbs, you need to be careful of excesses of

vitamins A, C, and D.  During pregnancy you need to completely avoid: 

smoking, alcohol, raw or undercooked meat, radiation, caffeine, DES

(diethylstilbestrol), Aspirin, antihistamines, contact with cat feces. 

Goldenseal root stresses liver and kidneys, raises white blood cell

count, and can cause uterine contraction.

	Red Raspberry leaf is an excellent uterine tonic and can be used

unerringly in pregnancy and during lactation.  Alfalfa is good to build

red blood cells and can be used throughout pregnancy and lactation. 

Yellow Dock root is also good for preventing anemia, however, large

doses over a long period of time should be avoided.  Nettle leaf tea

will add calcium and vitamin K to your diet.  Parsley, Chicory,

Dandelion and Lamb's Quarter will add the vitally needed Folic Acid to

prevent birth defects.  Comfrey infusion provides vitamins and minerals

for preventing backache as well as amino acids needed in plentiful

supply for strong abdominals and healthy babies.  Anise and Fennel seed

teas are tonic to the stomach and aid digestion.  Slippery Elm can be

helpful in cases of heartburn.



References:  "Wise Women Herbal for the Childbearing Year" by Susan Weed

"Hygieia, A Woman's Herbal" by Jeanine Parvati



Hope this helps and good luck in your pregnancy!  :)





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Subject: How to Build a Backyard Forest

From: joanne@inetex.com

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 13:44:47 -0600

--------

We have a page up to teach, "How to Build a Backyard Forest" for folks who'd

like to make their yard a beautiful oasis of native plants and wildflowers.

The url is: http://www.inetex.com/joanne/planting_wildflowers.htm



We're also seeking folks who would like to get more involved in educating

their community by bringing to them earth-safe products (not MLM and I don't

make a dime off it) that work, and get videos out people need to be aware of.

If you are a "light-worker" or a peace activist, and don't waste time, please

be added to our list.  We work with four other groups on international "calls

to action." and there's _a lot_ you can do to help!



Blessings,

Joanna

KIN International

http://www.inetex.com/joanne



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Subject: Pine aroma to aid drowsiness?

From: "Betty " <betty@peconic.net>

Date: 11 Apr 98 19:52:22 GMT

--------

I caught a reference on a radio news broadcast about two essential oils,

pine and something else, which were effective in combating drowsiness.  I

drive long distances and would like to find a non-caffeine source as a

quick waker-upper.  Anybody have any information on this? 







==========

Subject: Blue-Green Algea

From: shvlheadDESPAM@visi.net

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:42:46 GMT

--------

I realize that Blue-Green Algea is not really an herb, but I would

like to hear or your opinions and experiences with it.  Is it worth

the expense and what can one expect?



Thanks,



FAR





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Subject: Re: Blue-Green Algea

From: "Hawthorn" <KENHALL@prodigy.net>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:45:04 -0400

--------

My wife took the Blue-Green Algae for a couple of months and had stomach

pains periodically to start with and then after 6-7 weeks constantly.  She

stopped taking it three weeks ago and has had no more stomach pains.  We are

currently trying to find out what the link between BGA and the pains.



We believe in herbs and other natural supplements, but it does prove that

there are some things that are not necessarily meant for everyone.





shvlheadDESPAM@visi.net wrote in message <3531faf3.78652@news.visi.net>...

>I realize that Blue-Green Algea is not really an herb, but I would

>like to hear or your opinions and experiences with it.  Is it worth

>the expense and what can one expect?

>

>Thanks,

>

>FAR









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Subject: Re: Blue-Green Algea

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 13 Apr 1998 18:58:01 -0700

--------

shvlheadDESPAM@visi.net wrote:



>I realize that Blue-Green Algea is not really an herb, but I would

>like to hear or your opinions and experiences with it.  Is it worth

>the expense and what can one expect?

It's vastly over-rated, as are most "supplements", and can

actually be toxic if the wrong kind of algae is harvested.



  Try this solution: eat a varied diet, mostly fresh fruits and

vgetables, and beans, and complex carbohydtates, with small

amounts of animal proteins and fats.  Minimize "junk foods" and

sweets.  Take a cheap OTC multi-vitamin.

  Get plenty of sleep: 8 hours a night or more.  Exercise

moderately and regularly.



  If you do this for 6 months and don't feel a whole lot better,

then buy the algae.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: Blue-Green Algea

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 15:10:04 GMT

--------

In article <3532c08c.1307874@news.primenet.com>,

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>shvlheadDESPAM@visi.net wrote:

>

>  Try this solution: eat a varied diet, mostly fresh fruits and

>vgetables, and beans, and complex carbohydtates, with small

>amounts of animal proteins and fats.  Minimize "junk foods" and

>sweets.  Take a cheap OTC multi-vitamin.

>  Get plenty of sleep: 8 hours a night or more.  Exercise

>moderately and regularly.

>

>  If you do this for 6 months and don't feel a whole lot better,

>then buy the algae.



Isn't that like saying "if you don't feel a whole lot better,

then go ahead and smoke the crack cocaine"?









==========

Subject: Re: Blue-Green Algea

From: ALGAVORE@aol.com

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:57:32 -0600

--------

In article <3531faf3.78652@news.visi.net>,

  shvlheadDESPAM@visi.net wrote:

>

> I realize that Blue-Green Algea is not really an herb, but I would

> like to hear or your opinions and experiences with it.  Is it worth

> the expense and what can one expect?

>

> Thanks,

>

> FAR

>



My girlfriend Christie stopped dying immediately after starting to eat it. 

My mother's psoriasis disappeared and her eyesight measurably improved to the

point where she no longer uses reading glasses.  My hay fever is gone.	Two

good friends of mine were disabled with MS - they have been symptom free

since they began consuming Super Blue Green Algae.  I could go on.  I'm not a

doctor - maybe it's all just a big coincidence or a placebo effect.  Perhaps

these are symptoms of poisoning by anotoxins.  Then again, perhaps I'm

delusional.  (If Mark is right, we're all cocain addicts after all.)



*{:->  Patrick Babcock



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Subject: Re: Blue-Green Algea

From: Aquarius1922@webtv.net

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 20:19:55 -1000

--------

The DNA is not body substance. There are two foreign molecules in it

that will eventually cause stomach problems

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Subject: Any Lagochilus inebrians?

From: patanie@hotmail.com (Patane Pongp)

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:44:01 GMT

--------

A Russian mint!





==========

Subject: Arthritis

From: padise@aol.com (Padise)

Date: 13 Apr 1998 12:04:53 GMT

--------

   Relief might be found in either shark or bovine cartlidge tablets.





==========

Subject: Re: Arthritis

From: nick <hero.uk@btinternet.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:40:01 +0100

--------

These herbs should all do something for the symptoms of arthritis, and

are therefore of most use for osteo - to allow a healing process to get

started.  For rheumatoid arthritis I don't see much on the shelf to help

with the 'root of the evil' - ie the auto immune process itself.



If shark cartiledge or bovine trachea (in the form of glucosamine or

chondroitin) really does (!?) help rebuild worn out synovial membranes 

then  fine for OA but surely just a red rag to a white blood cell for

RA.  Yippee, more joint to attack / more pain.



A Chinese source (I have not been able to follow up anywhere) suggested

that rhubarb extract (rhein?) may help reduce auto immune responses.



Can anyone comment on this?  Any info would be most appreciated.



Tks.



Nick Carter



pls reply to group, my mail screwy.



-----------------

Rebecca Haley wrote:

> 

> Padise wrote:

> >

> >    Relief might be found in either shark or bovine cartlidge tablets.

> 

> White willow bark, meadowsweet, and feverfew also work well for

> arthritis.(especially if you're a vegetarian:))

> --

> Peacefrog

> 

> http://www.geocities.com/soho/museum/8963

> peacefrog63@geocities.com





==========

Subject: Re: Arthritis

From: cadown@aol.com (CADown)

Date: 15 Apr 1998 19:18:51 GMT

--------

>For rheumatoid arthritis I don't see much on the shelf to help

>with the 'root of the evil' - ie the auto immune process itself.

 

Hi, I'm new here was browing for information for a relative of mine, but just

couldn't  pass up commenting on your post.  I have rheumatoid arthritis and it

isn't often that I run into someone outside of traditional medicine who

understands that the only thing that osteoarthritis and rheumatoid have in

common is the word *arthritis* and maybe a limp.  How refreshing!



Anyway, I haven't found anything on the shelf either that addresses the

inflammatory process and had to start taking methotrexate to avoid a

wheelchair.  Several natural products, however, assist me in maintaining as

good a state of health as possible under the circumstances.  First, I take a

broad spectrum of vitamins, minerals and amino acids.  Then there's acidophilus

to do whatever to the poisons.  Then oils for inflammation...herbs to fight the

fatigue. Believe it or not I feel good. 



Carol                



Human beings are flawed individuals...the cosmic bakers took us out a little

too early.  That's why we're as crazy as we are---Jimmy Buffett 



                                                              





==========

Subject: Re: Arthritis

From: nick <hero.uk@btinternet.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:56:52 +0100

--------

Tks yr advice Carol.



Boy, postings seem to have a 3 picosecond half-life in this group.  



I try again: 



I heard a comment that rhubarb extract could help to reduce auto immune

responses.



Can anyone comment on this, or point me to further reading?



Hope to hear



Nick Carter





CADown wrote:

> 

> >For rheumatoid arthritis I don't see much on the shelf to help

> >with the 'root of the evil' - ie the auto immune process itself.

> 

> Hi, I'm new here was browing for information for a relative of mine, but just

> couldn't  pass up commenting on your post.  I have rheumatoid arthritis and it

> isn't often that I run into someone outside of traditional medicine who

> understands that the only thing that osteoarthritis and rheumatoid have in

> common is the word *arthritis* and maybe a limp.  How refreshing!

> 

> Anyway, I haven't found anything on the shelf either that addresses the

> inflammatory process and had to start taking methotrexate to avoid a

> wheelchair.  Several natural products, however, assist me in maintaining as

> good a state of health as possible under the circumstances.  First, I take a

> broad spectrum of vitamins, minerals and amino acids.  Then there's acidophilus

> to do whatever to the poisons.  Then oils for inflammation...herbs to fight the

> fatigue. Believe it or not I feel good.

> 

> Carol

> 

> Human beings are flawed individuals...the cosmic bakers took us out a little

> too early.  That's why we're as crazy as we are---Jimmy Buffett

> 

>





==========

Subject: Re: Arthritis

From: singhr@sabc.co.za (Ronnie KheurSingh)

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:10:58 GMT

--------

Hi,



I am no expert and I have Rheumatoid Arthritis,however, ever since I have been 

doing two things (1) Drinking at least 6-8 glasses of water a day and

                         (2) Eating RAW fruit and vegetables daily 

the RA pain has diminunished considerably.If I were any of you I would give it 

a shot because you have nothing to lose.



Ronnie



PS.  The main reason for the RAW fruits and veggies is that they contain 

LIVING enzymes which helps in the digestive process and whatever and if you 

eat cooked foods then those enzymes are destroyed and as far as I can recall 

the system becomes overworked and this somehow leads to the auto-immune system 

kicking in.Like I said I am no expert but try this and let us all know 





 





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Subject: Sinus Problems

From: bbeckett@webtv.net (Bob Beckett)

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:46:24 -0400

--------

I have a lot of problems with sinus.   I have a condition called sinus

polyps.  Does anyone know of any herbs that could help this condition?





==========

Subject: Re: Sinus Problems

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 15 Apr 98 16:02:38 GMT

--------

Bob Beckett <bbeckett@webtv.net> wrote:

>I have a lot of problems with sinus.   I have a condition called sinus

>polyps.  Does anyone know of any herbs that could help this condition?



Ho herb will help as much as having the polyps removed, if they're

really causing blockage.  Decongestant herbs might help some, with

whatever space in your sinuses is not taken up by polyps, but I can't

personally say if they help any better than traditional decongestant

medications  (and often, if you read the fine print on herbal

decongestant labels, the Ephedra is converted to the same active

ingredient as Sudafed, anyway).



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Help: Echinacea seeds needed.

From: "Irek (IA) Wanicki" <wanickii@rocketmail.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 16:43:55 +0200

--------

Hi,

Can someone tell me where can I get some echinacea seeds to plant in my 

garden? I don't need many, just a couple to see if the plant can grow 

here.



Irek



========================================================================

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wanickii@rocketmail.com

http://members.tripod.com/~wanickii

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[ Views expressed are my own only ]





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Subject: Re: Help: Echinacea seeds needed.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 13 Apr 1998 19:01:00 -0700

--------

"Irek (IA) Wanicki" <wanickii@rocketmail.com> wrote:



>Hi,

>Can someone tell me where can I get some echinacea seeds to plant in my 

>garden? I don't need many, just a couple to see if the plant can grow 

>here.

  As "purple coneflower", it's widely available in garden centers

in packets from the big seed houses.

  It needs good drainage, and can thrive in what most regions of

the country consider "hot and dry" conditions - remember it's a

native wildflower in states like Kansan and Nebraska.  In the

desert regions of Arizona it needs a bit of shade and extra

water, and it would probably die of drowning in the Pacific

NorthWest.



Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 15:07:45 GMT

--------

	This is an extension of another thread where I was asking for

ideas on avoiding gallbladder surgery. (Note: Apologies to the

misc.health.alternative people, I messed up and only posted that

thread to the alt.folklore.herbs group.) 

	But, assuming that I may end up needing the surgery anyhow, I

would like to know of any problems that have been brought on as a

result of gallbladder removal.

	My doctor would have me believe that it is as useless as your

appendix or tonsils. The only thing I have found in reading about it

is that you must stick to a low-fat diet. My mother tells me that she

has experienced an increase in indigestion and elevated cholesterol

levels, where previously her cholesterol was quite normal.

	So I would like to hear from people who have opted to have

their gallbladder removed. What's the scoop? Pros and Cons.



TIA,

GCM

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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 20:21:07 GMT

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jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:



>	This is an extension of another thread where I was asking for

>ideas on avoiding gallbladder surgery. 



I would see my non-commercial web site at



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



and follow the liver and gall cleaning regimens.   First, solvents,

then stones and crystals, then deparasitization and flushes if

 necessary.  If there were just one supplement to

use it would be Planetary Formula's Stone Free.  Next would

be magnesium.  Then Country Life Biochem Liver Support Factors.  



>	My doctor would have me believe that it is as useless as your

>appendix or tonsils.



I (of all people) tend to agree.  My whacky thought about the function

of the gall is that it is left over from the days when humans were

hunting mammoths, e.g.  It's not like they killed one everyday,

but when they did, it was feast city.  If there was not a reservoir

of bile to digest the fat and protein, the excess food would go to 

waste once it was eaten.  With it, more food could be digested

and hence stored until the next big game came along.



These days, we can get a steady supply of fat and protein and

don't really need the extra capacity for binging.



>  The only thing I have found in reading about it

>is that you must stick to a low-fat diet. 



I think this is one of the primary cause of liver and gall problems

because if you don't eat enough good fats and oils (or protein), which

is common these days, these organs are not "exercised" enough

and choleostasis can result.  After the gall is removed, though,

I suppose you would not want to eat a lot of fat or protein at once

since it could not be digested.



turf







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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: etroll@flash.netspam (Eric O. Troldahl)

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 01:01:35 GMT

--------

jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>

>	My doctor would have me believe that it is as useless as your

>appendix or tonsils.



That depends on whether you believe that the tonsils and appendix are part of

the body's immune system.  Sometimes just because people don't understand

something, they don't value it.  That doesn't mean it isn't useful.



Eric



Eric O. Troldahl, etroll@flash.net

(sorry for the munged headers, I hate spam)





Not a health practitioner of any kind!!!!!

Devotee of Dr. Andrew Weil's books:

_8 Weeks To Optimum Health_ and _Spontaneous Healing_



Lead Proponent, rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated





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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 18:07:54 -0400

--------

Since you no longer have a place to store bile as it is made in the liver,

it is continuously released directly into the small intestine - hence the

feeling of indigestion.

The only thing that has helped this with people I know, has been to eat

small amounts of food every hour or two, so as to keep some food always in

the stomach.



Also the gall bladder creates some digestive enzymes of its own.  This

coupled with the bile problem causes a greater demand to be placed on the

pancreas to make up for the lack of other digestive enzymes.  Eventually the

pancreas wears down leading to type 1 diabetes. This process usually occurs

within 20 years of the gall bladder removal, but don't expect any doctor to

know about or admit to this.



You don't want to remove you gall bladder if at all possible.  God did not

create any useless organs.  I know that people on this list have a low

opinion of the liver/gall bladder flush, but honestly it has worked wonders

and saved many from surgery.  Virtually everybody has some stones and unless

blocking a duct, they cause no discomfort.  My doctor tried to tell me to

have my gall bladder removed too.  I did the flush and got hundreds of small

cholesterol stones out (mostly from the liver).  The liver now does a much

better job of filtering the blood now that the toxins have been removed.  I

can think clearer and have more energy and my cholesterol went down.



As to the source of my original problem (sever bloating with inability to

pass gas and intense gripping pain lasting 3-24 hours), it wasn't my gall

bladder at all.  I'm glad I don't listen to doctors but just get information

from them.  It turned out I had colitis or irritable bowel syndrome.  It

came from drinking too much liquid with my meals.  You can also develop it

because of stress or lack of fiber in the diet.  This can be fixed by taking

a good liquid meal replacement that contains some fiber for a few weeks.

This allows the colon to rest and heal.  You could also go on a juice or a

total fast (drink lots of water though) for a few days.  Slipper Elm and

Aloe Vera Gel and great bowel soothers.  Gradually increase the soluble

fiber (eat an apple).  When back to normal eating, be sure and drink 8

glasses of filtered water daily, but not within 20 minutes of eating.  And

stay away from refined carbohydrates (breads, pastas, ect).  Instead eat

plenty of fiber rich foods daily.



This is of course, just my opinion.  If you would like the info on how to do

the liver/gall bladder flush email me at b.winston@worldnet.att.net





jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote in message

<35331fc8.26076980@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk>...

> This is an extension of another thread where I was asking for

>ideas on avoiding gallbladder surgery. (Note: Apologies to the

>misc.health.alternative people, I messed up and only posted that

>thread to the alt.folklore.herbs group.)

> But, assuming that I may end up needing the surgery anyhow, I

>would like to know of any problems that have been brought on as a

>result of gallbladder removal.

> My doctor would have me believe that it is as useless as your

>appendix or tonsils. The only thing I have found in reading about it

>is that you must stick to a low-fat diet. My mother tells me that she

>has experienced an increase in indigestion and elevated cholesterol

>levels, where previously her cholesterol was quite normal.

> So I would like to hear from people who have opted to have

>their gallbladder removed. What's the scoop? Pros and Cons.

>

>TIA,

>GCM

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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 13 Apr 1998 19:10:01 -0700

--------

jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:



>	My doctor would have me believe that it is as useless as your

>appendix or tonsils. 

  He's right.  However, like the appendix and tonsils, it's one

organ you can live without.  If you get a severe blockage, or

infection, it can go form a nuisance to a life-threatening

emergency in a short time.  Because it's an organ that doesn't

heal well, surgical removal is the solution to a "hot"

gallbladder (if they rupture, all the digestive juices can leak

into your abdominal cavity and that's a disaster ... 



  Ask him about the drugs that can dissolve gallstones, and the

possibility of using ultrasound to break them up enough to let

them flow.



>The only thing I have found in reading about it

>is that you must stick to a low-fat diet. My mother tells me that she

>has experienced an increase in indigestion and elevated cholesterol

>levels, where previously her cholesterol was quite normal.

  Smaller, more frequent meals, and a lower fat diet are the

remedies for that.  Bile is the major aid to digesting fat: it

emulsifies the fat and holds it in suspension ... normally your

gallbladder dumps bile after a meal, and without it, there is a

steady flow at all times.  So you have to deliver the food in

smaller quantities to match the flow of bile.

  High-fat diets would produce indigestion because the bacteria

in the large intestine will digest anything that reaches them.

The result of their fat-metabolising is gas and bloating.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 17:09:21 -0700

--------

> 

> jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

> 

> >       My doctor would have me believe that it is as useless as your

> >appendix or tonsils. 



I would worry about removing any body part.  My sister-in-law had her

ballbladder removed several years ago.  Ever since then she has been

unable to digest raw fruits and vegetables.   She really misses her

salads.

J9





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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)

Date: 15 Apr 1998 05:27:11 GMT

--------

In <3533FAB1.C184311F@home.com> Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

writes: 

>

>> 

>> jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>> 

>> >       My doctor would have me believe that it is as useless as

your

>> >appendix or tonsils. 

>

>I would worry about removing any body part.  My sister-in-law had her

>ballbladder removed several years ago.  Ever since then she has been

>unable to digest raw fruits and vegetables.   She really misses her

>salads.

>J9





   Weird.  I would think she'd have worse problems with fatty meals.

Some herbivorous animals (horses) get along fine without even a gall

bladder in the design.  Don't know of any meat eaters that do, however.

Most people get along fine without them also, but it's not salads that

give them the problems.



    Perhaps she had gastritis of some sort, and really needs that

treated instead.  Have her see a GI guy for an endoscopy.  If she has

H. pylori infection of the stomach, you can try treating that.



   There are bile supplement pills on the market, too.  The GI doc can

guide you there.



                                    Steve Harris, M.D.





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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: sunfoot@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:36:31 -0600

--------

Gall Bladder removal has serious repercussions from a Chinese Medicine

perspective; not necessarily only in health, but attitude as well.  Try to see

an a Chinese herbologist or accupuncturist if possible, to help balance the

loss of your organ.



Sunfoot



>

> In <3533FAB1.C184311F@home.com> Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

> writes:

> >

> >>

> >> jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

> >>

> >> >       My doctor would have me believe that it is as useless as

> your

> >> >appendix or tonsils.

> >

> >I would worry about removing any body part.  My sister-in-law had her

> >ballbladder removed several years ago.  Ever since then she has been

> >unable to digest raw fruits and vegetables.   She really misses her

> >salads.

> >J9

>

>    Weird.  I would think she'd have worse problems with fatty meals.

> Some herbivorous animals (horses) get along fine without even a gall

> bladder in the design.  Don't know of any meat eaters that do, however.

> Most people get along fine without them also, but it's not salads that

> give them the problems.

>

>     Perhaps she had gastritis of some sort, and really needs that

> treated instead.  Have her see a GI guy for an endoscopy.  If she has

> H. pylori infection of the stomach, you can try treating that.

>

>    There are bile supplement pills on the market, too.  The GI doc can

> guide you there.

>

>                                     Steve Harris, M.D.

>





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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:38:50 GMT

--------

On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 07:36:31 -0600, sunfoot@hotmail.com wrote:



>Gall Bladder removal has serious repercussions from a Chinese Medicine

>perspective; not necessarily only in health, but attitude as well.  Try to see

>an a Chinese herbologist or accupuncturist if possible, to help balance the

>loss of your organ.

>

>Sunfoot

>



	At the moment, my gallbladder is still intact. I am currently

on a "search and destroy" mission, trying to find ways of keeping it

with me for a long time to come. If it has to come out, then so be it,

but not until I have explored the alternatives. I refuse to accept the

attitude that simply cutting it out and getting on with it is the one

and only solution to my problem.

	The only excuse I can see for that is, if it's in such bad

shape that the general consensus is that it's likely to rupture or go

septic. Basically, something immediately life threatening. And I don't

believe I'm dealing with that. I've had a lot of gastro discomfort and

mild soreness directly where the gallbladder is located. But I haven't

had any unbearable pain.



Thanks,

GCM



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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: sunfoot@hotmail.com

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:30:24 -0600

--------

GCM:



Then I would MOST HIGHLY recommend seeing a Chinese Medicine Dr.

(accupuncturist/herbologist).  In CM, the Gall Bladder is a primary organ from

which the whole meridian-system is based.  It's important to a CM Dr., not

just a useless organ to be removed!



From an emotional perpective, the Gall Bladder and Liver are the seats of

anger.. theres a good chance that you are suppressing much anger or

resentment.. tapping into that will probably help.



Some suggestions:

Foods to discharge toxins: mushrooms, potatoes, radishes, and lettuce.

Herbs to discharge toxins: Burdock, Dandelion, Holly Thistle, golden seal,

rasberry leaf

AVOID: chemicals, animal fat, wind, eggs, nuts, vinegar, sugar, drugs, hard

alcohol, excess food

Steam your food more often.



To your health,

Sunfoot





>

> >Gall Bladder removal has serious repercussions from a Chinese Medicine

> >perspective; not necessarily only in health, but attitude as well.  Try to

see

> >an a Chinese herbologist or accupuncturist if possible, to help balance the

> >loss of your organ.

> >

> >Sunfoot

> >

>

> 	At the moment, my gallbladder is still intact. I am currently

> on a "search and destroy" mission, trying to find ways of keeping it

> with me for a long time to come. If it has to come out, then so be it,

> but not until I have explored the alternatives. I refuse to accept the

> attitude that simply cutting it out and getting on with it is the one

> and only solution to my problem.

> 	The only excuse I can see for that is, if it's in such bad

> shape that the general consensus is that it's likely to rupture or go

> septic. Basically, something immediately life threatening. And I don't

> believe I'm dealing with that. I've had a lot of gastro discomfort and

> mild soreness directly where the gallbladder is located. But I haven't

> had any unbearable pain.

>

> Thanks,

> GCM

>

> **Remove SPAMBLOCKER from address to reply via e-mail**

>





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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 18:32:59 GMT

--------

In <6h7lhr$o1v$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> sunfoot@hotmail.com writes: 

>

>GCM:

>

>Then I would MOST HIGHLY recommend seeing a Chinese Medicine Dr.

>(accupuncturist/herbologist).  In CM, the Gall Bladder is a primary

organ from which the whole meridian-system is based.  It's important to

a CM Dr., not just a useless organ to be removed!

>

>From an emotional perpective, the Gall Bladder and Liver are the seats

of anger.. theres a good chance that you are suppressing much anger or

>resentment.. tapping into that will probably help.





    ROFL.  Right.  The liver is so obviously the organ of anger and

hidden resentment.  It's a wonder that people who have gall bladders

removed and get new livers don't undergo total personality alteration.



   You know, the same people who laugh at medical doctors because a few

centuries ago they believed in the 4 humors, with black and yellow

biles associated with emotions, are the people who are willing to give

respect to traditional Chinese medicine today, which has a lot of

theories emotions tied into organs that are not quite the same, but are

still just as quaint and just as silly (basically because the ancient

Chinese knew hardly any anatomy, so that the anatomy they do have is a

sort of spiritual or virtual anatomy which bears only nodding

aquaintence to what we know today as real anatomy).  And everybody--

even the broad minded ecclectic types-- REALLY doesn't want to talk

about the astrological tie-ins that are in much of traditional Chinese

medicine.  Seems you get to pick and choose which of this "ancient

lore" is relevent today.  Woe betide me if I suggest that something in

TCM is ridiculous: the argument I'll get back is that it's based on 4 

thousand years of clinical experience, and who am I to question that? 

But if the practitioner of TCM wants to get rid of the astrology or

some other evil humor aspect of TCM on the basis of the idea that some

things in TCM are obviously just primitive magical cultural myths--

hey, that's fine.  Rather a double standard, there.  



   What *is* the gold standard by which we judge the wisdom (or lack of

wisdom) in ancient texts?  It all comes back to the scientific method,

does it not?



                                     Steve Harris, M.D.   



                               Steve Harris, M.D.





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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: sunfoot@hotmail.com

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:25:57 -0600

--------

Won't try to quote you alot of stats or "scientific facts" Doc, but I will

tell you that its been my experience and the experience of many that I know

that TCM has been uncannilly  on target.. ESPECIALLY the liver and GB being

affected by anger!



Sunfoot, E.P.  (Experienced Persona)





> >GCM:

> >

> >Then I would MOST HIGHLY recommend seeing a Chinese Medicine Dr.

> >(accupuncturist/herbologist).  In CM, the Gall Bladder is a primary

> organ from which the whole meridian-system is based.  It's important to

> a CM Dr., not just a useless organ to be removed!

> >

> >From an emotional perpective, the Gall Bladder and Liver are the seats

> of anger.. theres a good chance that you are suppressing much anger or

> >resentment.. tapping into that will probably help.

>

>     ROFL.  Right.  The liver is so obviously the organ of anger and

> hidden resentment.  It's a wonder that people who have gall bladders

> removed and get new livers don't undergo total personality alteration.

>

>    You know, the same people who laugh at medical doctors because a few

> centuries ago they believed in the 4 humors, with black and yellow

> biles associated with emotions, are the people who are willing to give

> respect to traditional Chinese medicine today, which has a lot of

> theories emotions tied into organs that are not quite the same, but are

> still just as quaint and just as silly (basically because the ancient

> Chinese knew hardly any anatomy, so that the anatomy they do have is a

> sort of spiritual or virtual anatomy which bears only nodding

> aquaintence to what we know today as real anatomy).  And everybody--

> even the broad minded ecclectic types-- REALLY doesn't want to talk

> about the astrological tie-ins that are in much of traditional Chinese

> medicine.  Seems you get to pick and choose which of this "ancient

> lore" is relevent today.  Woe betide me if I suggest that something in

> TCM is ridiculous: the argument I'll get back is that it's based on 4

> thousand years of clinical experience, and who am I to question that?

> But if the practitioner of TCM wants to get rid of the astrology or

> some other evil humor aspect of TCM on the basis of the idea that some

> things in TCM are obviously just primitive magical cultural myths--

> hey, that's fine.  Rather a double standard, there.

>

>    What *is* the gold standard by which we judge the wisdom (or lack of

> wisdom) in ancient texts?  It all comes back to the scientific method,

> does it not?

>

>                                      Steve Harris, M.D.

>

>                                Steve Harris, M.D.

>





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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:19:57 -0500

--------





> >> jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

> >> 

> >> My doctor would have me believe that it is as useless as your

> >> appendix or tonsils. 





In <3533FAB1.C184311F@home.com> Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

> writes:



> >I would worry about removing any body part.  My sister-in-law had her

> >ballbladder removed several years ago.  Ever since then she has been

> >unable to digest raw fruits and vegetables.   She really misses her

> >salads.

> >J9

> 





On 15 Apr 1998, Steven B. Harris wrote:

> 

>    Weird.  I would think she'd have worse problems with fatty meals.

> Some herbivorous animals (horses) get along fine without even a gall

> bladder in the design.  Don't know of any meat eaters that do, however.

> Most people get along fine without them also, but it's not salads that

> give them the problems.

> 

>     Perhaps she had gastritis of some sort, and really needs that

> treated instead.  Have her see a GI guy for an endoscopy.  If she has

> H. pylori infection of the stomach, you can try treating that.

> 

>    There are bile supplement pills on the market, too.  The GI doc can

> guide you there.

> 

>                                     Steve Harris, M.D.

> 

> 

I would have to agree with the good doctor on this. I have had no trouble 

at all digesting veggies and fruits - eat a lot of them every day since I 

had my GB out. Same with my mother and my daughter.



Meats - and especially fats - are another "animal" all together. It can 

take all day for me do digest breakfast if I have eggs and sausage (and I 

LOVE eggs and sausage for breakfast)  In fact, if I know I am going to be 

very busy and unable to stop for lunch, I will purposely eat a breakfast 

heavy in meat and fats just so I don't feel hungry at the "usual" lunch 

time. 



MY 2p

Cissy





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Subject: Re: What are the results of gallbladder removal?

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 15 Apr 1998 23:33:40 GMT

--------

I lost my gallbladder a number of years ago at the age of 22 ---



I still find it hard to digest salads and heavyily greasy foods.. and a variety

of other things that bother me some tiems and not others



chinese food does a number on me every time



I do find tho that papaya Enzyme pills help ALOT



but I honestly dont regret the choice - the pain was unbearable and the drug

option I was allergic to





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







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To: Joyce Lovell <joyce@clandjop.com>

Subject: Re: herb person from MO

From: "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:09:47 -0500

--------

Joyce, I am starting a herbal business in southern Iowa.  I have a degree

in horticulture for years and raise my own herbs and collect from the

wild.  I really do not know is you can be of any service to me, but I

would like to keep connected with you.  I may need your expertise on the

business and networking support.  It is nice to know someone else out

there besides oneself.  My husband and I also do Native American medicine

since he is a shaman and I learn from him.  This complements my medical

background in nursing.  Another part of my business will be in Alternative

Healing.  I plan to open up a Natural Health and Wellness Center for the

Tri-State area (Iowa, Illinois, and Missouir).  I will need to do a lot of

educating.  Would appreicate any help you could give.  I will be

graduating soon from the University of Iowa in May, then I will not have

e-mail until I get it set up again at my home.  Please call me at my home.

(319)-463-7367.  Thank You.   Dolores hagmeier.



On Sun, 12 Apr 1998, Joyce Lovell wrote:



> Hi, I am the person your looking for, and the e-mail address is right, I had

> sold my whole inventory of herbs to a some one who saw my listing on this NG

> from Sand Spirngs, Ark. that owns a shop, they drove all the way down here

> to Joplin, and picked them up, real nice people, I just got another shipment

> of herbs in, they want me to start suppling their shop, and I'm going to set

> up a web page also. Any way, what can I do for you?

> Joyce

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Ma Huang under attack?

From: Ballico@ns.net

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 00:43:17 GMT

--------

I heard a rumor this week that the Feds are considering yanking Ma

Huang from the market, the way they did Tryptophan.  Anybody know

more?



Robin





==========

Subject: Re: Ma Huang under attack?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 13 Apr 1998 19:12:00 -0700

--------

Ballico@ns.net wrote:



>I heard a rumor this week that the Feds are considering yanking Ma

>Huang from the market, the way they did Tryptophan.  Anybody know

>more?

  This rumor crops up every few weeks.

  Supplements that consist of concentrated doses of Ma Huang

(like "herbal Extascy") are being reviewed because of the deaths

among their users.

  The raw herb, and most reasonable concentrations of it in

cold/flu remedies, will be left alone.





Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





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Subject: RE: Herbs and bowel disorders

From: "Gloria Tong" <arrow@sprint.ca>

Date: 14 Apr 1998 02:47:09 GMT

--------

Hi, I have crohns and have found a product called Intra to be of tremendous

help. It is an herbal extract. Search the web under Intra herbs for various

sites and info.







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Subject: Questions of Prostate Health/Ejaculation

From: bosemanba@aol.com (Bosemanba)

Date: 14 Apr 1998 09:37:59 GMT

--------

Please forgive the indelicacy of this post if the topic is not usual for your

newsgroup. Apologies and "anti-flaming" shields ahead of time. :o)



I am in my late 30's and my father has prostate problems.  I am trying to avoid

this and other problems he has with excercise, diet, supplements etc. My

question is this?  I read somewhere, I forget where exactly, that the volume

and frequency of ejaculation has an effect on prostate health.  I would like to

know if there is an herbal supplement that will increase the volume/per

session, or "force" of ejaculation.  Please respond by email , I don't normally

get on this newsgroup.  Please serious information only, no ads or porno-movie

jokes.  Thank you in advance.



Mr. Boseman





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Subject: New Weight loss scam?

From: Juli Kight <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 05:38:08 -0500

--------

My friend at work showed me an add of Konjac Root, a Japanese flour that

seems to be hitting the market as the new wonder weight loss product.  I

have found some things on the internet but most are from the companies

selling it.  Is anyone familiar with this?  I'm worried this will be

another "Guar Gum" incident where it is meant for food, not a

suppliment. The only approval I have been able to find was importing as

a food item.

I would be greatful for any real information I could pass on.

Thanks

Juli

Herbs For Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com









==========

Subject: Re: New Weight loss scam?

From: callie@primenet.com (Callie)

Date: 14 Apr 1998 04:55:01 -0700

--------

Juli Kight <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us> wrote:



>My friend at work showed me an add of Konjac Root, a Japanese flour that

>seems to be hitting the market as the new wonder weight loss product.

  If it's what I think it is, it's a japanese food, used much as

we would flour for breading and thickening things.

  I've seen it sporadically in the past mumble years, as a cure

for numerous things, but don't have the nutritional analysis.







Callie

Callie @-sign writepage.com     

(the real place to e-mail, and humans can figure it out.

 But my mail filter doesn't accept BCCs ...)





==========

Subject: Selling Homemade Medicinals

From: jack karpan <GTE/karpan@gte.net>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:16:11 -0700

--------

Could anyone advise me of any legal problems concerning the sale of 

homemade herbal remedies? It seems to me that as long as you don't claim 

the item is a "cure" for a specific ailment there shouldn't be any 

problems ( especially if you've listed all the ingedients on the label 

and added any necessary contraindications). It seems that such sales are 

probably similar to the sale of foods at "pot-luck dinners" or bake 

sales; afterall you usually wouldn't find ingredients on breads or foods 

prepared for sales of this type yet certain spices or ingredients may 

cause certain individuals problems; for instance, basil or fenugreek may 

cause problems for some people. I'm just not clear on what the limits of 

the law (liability) are. Could someone share their thoughts?





==========

To: jack karpan <GTE/karpan@gte.net>

Subject: Re: Selling Homemade Medicinals

From: Jonathan Byron <jbyron@mail.ju.edu>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 08:42:43 -0400

--------

The general civil law principle is that anyone who causes damage to

another can be sued by the victim.  In a perfect world, one would assume

that if you sell a properly prepared, properly labelled product, you

would be safe.  But people want to blame someone for everything that

goes wrong, even if the person blamed didn't cause the problem. And what

if the product itself is unsafe ??  What if science discovers tommorow

that herb X can cause liver or kidney disease (if only in a few

people)??  If someone has an allergic reaction to something, whose fault

is it ??  The jury could side with the person who had a reaction, and

take away the assets of the seller. Most large companies have liability

insurance to protect them from lawsuits. 



One problem with herbs is that the line is blurred between food and

medicine. A person who sells onion or garlic probably has a lower risk

than a person who sells 'exotic' herbs, because a jury would feel

comfortable with the idea of a person slicing onions for a salad, or

mixing crushed garlic or garlic juice in a stew. 



Making specific claims can cause legal problems with the FDA. Selling

alcohol based tinctures could cause problems with the BATF. Not paying

income taxes, sales tax, etc will get you into trouble with the

taxpeople.



I guess with any business, a person needs to do their homework, and then

determine what level of risk they are comfortable with.  There are

thousands of people that sell herbs or supplements that never get

dragged into court, but it could happen. 



Jonathan





Standard Legal disclaimer: this is not specific legal advice, but rather

serves as part of a general discussion on American society. Make all

business decisions at your own risk, after obtaining specific advice

from a professional. 





jack karpan wrote:

> 

> Could anyone advise me of any legal problems concerning the sale of

> homemade herbal remedies? It seems to me that as long as you don't claim

> the item is a "cure" for a specific ailment there shouldn't be any

> problems ( especially if you've listed all the ingedients on the label

> and added any necessary contraindications). It seems that such sales are

> probably similar to the sale of foods at "pot-luck dinners" or bake

> sales; afterall you usually wouldn't find ingredients on breads or foods

> prepared for sales of this type yet certain spices or ingredients may

> cause certain individuals problems; for instance, basil or fenugreek may

> cause problems for some people. I'm just not clear on what the limits of

> the law (liability) are. Could someone share their thoughts?





==========

Subject: Re: Selling Homemade Medicinals

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 14 Apr 1998 23:10:09 GMT

--------

In article <6gvgm2$elt$1@gte2.gte.net>, jack karpan <GTE/karpan@gte.net>

writes:



>Could anyone advise me of any legal problems concerning the sale of 

>homemade herbal remedies? It seems to me that as long as you don't claim 

>the item is a "cure" for a specific ailment there shouldn't be any 

>problems 



You can't claim a "cure" for any food product (vitamins, etc.) in the States,

but you can list some health benefits quite legally. If you are producing

something to be ingested, you do need tomeet the requirements of safe

manufacture, etc. Some of these are legal requirements, some of these

requirements are imposed by the distributors, grocery stores, etc, who don't

want to be sued...  A friend who manufactures herbal tea products is seriously

upgrading her facilities so she can meet the standards of a large health food

store chain (she claims their 20 page paperwork is much more complex than

anything she's had to do for the state!). However, this upgrade seriously

increases her sales potential.



One group that can help you track down this and other information is 

American Herbal Products Association

4733 Bethesda Ave #345

Bethesda, MD 20814



Hope that helps,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle WA

author:

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

ISBN 0761512446 (it's out! it's shipping! check your local bookstore!)

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





==========

Subject: Re: Selling Homemade Medicinals

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:18:31 GMT

--------



Pot luck dinners and bake sales are probably both technically against

the law, but are very traditional and usually done by churches and

other charitalbe institutions.  You don't have that quasi-legal sort

of protection.  You're more in the position of someone who makes hot

dishes at home and tries to sell them at the local pump n' munch.  Big

time laws covering how food for sale can be made, stored, delivered,

sold, etc..  It's for the protection of the public.  And a darn good

thing, too.  I used to eat at a place that had some delicious soups,

all really* home made.  However, it was food roulette.  I'd have one

day stomach flu about one out of ten times I'd eat the soup.  Because

of the prep, delivery, and storage.  I had to stop eating the soups.

I liked the place, the owners, and the lady who made the soups, so I

never complained to the health department, but anyone who would have

gotten really ill and put it all together could have sued them right

out of their business, their homes, and their personal bank accounts.





Since you wouldn't be selling to the friendly neighborhood place where

everyone knew who'd get hurt if they sued, you'd have to be very

careful to follow all the laws.  And I'm sure there are as many for

herbal preperations as there are for foods.  Contact some place like

your state or local health department and ask what laws apply.



You are perfectly correct on the not diagnosing or making particular

recommendations for diseases.  The FDA (hey, they'd be a contact for

you for information on your legal status) would, rightly, come down on

you as soon as they heard what you were doing if you did that.







On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:16:11 -0700, jack karpan <GTE/karpan@gte.net>

wrote:



>Could anyone advise me of any legal problems concerning the sale of 

>homemade herbal remedies? It seems to me that as long as you don't claim 

>the item is a "cure" for a specific ailment there shouldn't be any 

>problems ( especially if you've listed all the ingedients on the label 

>and added any necessary contraindications). It seems that such sales are 

>probably similar to the sale of foods at "pot-luck dinners" or bake 

>sales; afterall you usually wouldn't find ingredients on breads or foods 

>prepared for sales of this type yet certain spices or ingredients may 

>cause certain individuals problems; for instance, basil or fenugreek may 

>cause problems for some people. I'm just not clear on what the limits of 

>the law (liability) are. Could someone share their thoughts?



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





==========

Subject: Re: Selling Homemade Medicinals

From: rblack@planet.earthcom.net

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:16:15 GMT

--------

Since you are not making any claims for the products you are planning

to sell, anything that would be eaten would come under any local food

preperation laws your city may have. If you live in a big city such as

New York there are some very stringent rules. I know, I looked into

this a few years back when I was into chocolate making. You have to

prepare everything in an inspected kitchen for starters.

Liability insurance is another aspect.  If someone becomes ill after

use of your product, you leave yourself open to be sued.



On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:16:11 -0700, jack karpan <GTE/karpan@gte.net>

wrote:



>Could anyone advise me of any legal problems concerning the sale of 

>homemade herbal remedies? It seems to me that as long as you don't claim 

>the item is a "cure" for a specific ailment there shouldn't be any 

>problems ( especially if you've listed all the ingedients on the label 

>and added any necessary contraindications). It seems that such sales are 

>probably similar to the sale of foods at "pot-luck dinners" or bake 

>sales; afterall you usually wouldn't find ingredients on breads or foods 

>prepared for sales of this type yet certain spices or ingredients may 

>cause certain individuals problems; for instance, basil or fenugreek may 

>cause problems for some people. I'm just not clear on what the limits of 

>the law (liability) are. Could someone share their thoughts?



*****************************************************



       Rita B.          To e-mail me, just replace the 

                     Ihatespam with planet in the reply to:





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Subject: Re: Selling Homemade Medicinals

From: herblady@gte.net

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 10:42:38 GMT

--------

I have checked here in Virginia and have found out I cannot sell dried

herbs unless I get licensing  by the FDA - we can sell fresh herbs,

since we cannot control what the buyer uses it for, but when we dry

the herb, we do assume that people will be using them either for

culinary or medical purposes.  Not sure if that helps you in any way.



jack karpan <GTE/karpan@gte.net> wrote:



>Could anyone advise me of any legal problems concerning the sale of 

>homemade herbal remedies? It seems to me that as long as you don't claim 

>the item is a "cure" for a specific ailment there shouldn't be any 

>problems ( especially if you've listed all the ingedients on the label 

>and added any necessary contraindications). It seems that such sales are 

>probably similar to the sale of foods at "pot-luck dinners" or bake 

>sales; afterall you usually wouldn't find ingredients on breads or foods 

>prepared for sales of this type yet certain spices or ingredients may 

>cause certain individuals problems; for instance, basil or fenugreek may 

>cause problems for some people. I'm just not clear on what the limits of 

>the law (liability) are. Could someone share their thoughts?







==========

Subject: Vitae Elixir (from Ralph Schauss) - and cancer?

From: Alec <alec@venus.co.uk>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 14:25:14 +0100

--------

Hi, 



I have come across several extremely good 

anecdotal reports of "Vitae Elixir".

(from Mr Ralph Schauss)



Anyone had any good/*bad* experiences with it ?



A close relative is thinking of taking it for 

large cell adenocarcinoma Cancer of the lung.



Yrs





Alec





-- 

Alec Shaw Stewart                               alec@venus.co.uk

Venus Internet Ltd                       http://www.venus.co.uk/

24 Denmark Street                      phone +44 (0)171 240 5858

London WC2H 8NJ, UK                      fax +44 (0)171 240 5859





==========

To: alec@venus.co.uk

Subject: Re: Vitae Elixir (from Ralph Schauss) - and cancer?

From: x <xman@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 03:49:59 -0700

--------

Alec wrote:

> 

> Hi,

> 

> I have come across several extremely good

> anecdotal reports of "Vitae Elixir".

> (from Mr Ralph Schauss)

> 

> Anyone had any good/*bad* experiences with it ?

> 

> A close relative is thinking of taking it for

> large cell adenocarcinoma Cancer of the lung.

> 



Although I am a STRONG proponent of any benefical modality, in

particular if the negativity is very low, 



I would be highly suspicious of ANY substance that simple and

inexpensive to produce, which costs so much.



**E.G. POLY-MVA- (alpha lipoic

acid+cyanocobalamin(B-12)+Palladium)...well palladium can set you back a

bit.



-BUT- $480.00 for a few dilluted ounces??



Thats more than Rhone Poulanc gets for Taxotere...





Best luck!!





==========

Subject: Re: Vitae Elixir (from Ralph Schauss) - and cancer?

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:58:06 +0100

--------

x wrote:

> 

> Alec wrote:

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I have come across several extremely good

> > anecdotal reports of "Vitae Elixir".

> > (from Mr Ralph Schauss)

> >

> > Anyone had any good/*bad* experiences with it ?

> >

> > A close relative is thinking of taking it for

> > large cell adenocarcinoma Cancer of the lung.

> >

> 

> Although I am a STRONG proponent of any benefical modality, in

> particular if the negativity is very low,

> 

> I would be highly suspicious of ANY substance that simple and

> inexpensive to produce, which costs so much.

> 

> **E.G. POLY-MVA- (alpha lipoic

> acid+cyanocobalamin(B-12)+Palladium)...well palladium can set you back a

> bit.

> 

> -BUT- $480.00 for a few dilluted ounces??

> 

> Thats more than Rhone Poulanc gets for Taxotere...

> 

> Best luck!!



--------



I missed what this vitae elixir is supposed to be.  Sounds like elixir

of life / base metals into gold / mythical nonsense to me.  Is it just

the lipoic/b12/palladium?  What, plus *one* majyck component of greet

efficacy that will forever remayn seckrete ?



the relative with lung cancer deserves better....



Nick





==========

Subject: Gout cherries + purines

From: rigel4@us.net

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 07:58:34 -0600

--------

Hello,

I have read the posts on Black cherries and gout and

want to know if there is a reference on the net for

finding purines in foods. My doctor said to avoid

cranberries as they are high in purines. What is

the purine content of cherries ? How do you find it?

Thanks,

Jim



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Subject: Neem and Psorasis

From: "Kalaichelvi -webguru at Non-Profit Arts Museum" <admin@artsmuseum.com>

Date: 14 Apr 1998 15:49:50 GMT

--------

Neem oil (Azadrichta indica Juss) is known for its therapeutic benefits of

Psorasis and Eczema.



Does anyone can further make comments on this neem oil?



We are trying to update our discussion board on the neem oil benefits for

our Psorasis Support Group, with new information and user's first hand

experiences (both benefits and reactions)



Dr Balasubramaniam M,PhD

http://www.campo-research.com

http://www.campo-research.com/campo/f-discuss.html





==========

Subject: Re: Neem and Psorasis

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 14 Apr 1998 12:50:01 -0700

--------

We have experience with using neem oil for psoriasis.  Neem is cooling

as well as antibacterial.  BUT it did not 'heal' the psoriasis.  It

calmed it, at best.



"Kalaichelvi -webguru at Non-Profit Arts Museum"

<admin@artsmuseum.com> wrote:



>Neem oil (Azadrichta indica Juss) is known for its therapeutic benefits of

>Psorasis and Eczema.



>Does anyone can further make comments on this neem oil?



>We are trying to update our discussion board on the neem oil benefits for

>our Psorasis Support Group, with new information and user's first hand

>experiences (both benefits and reactions)



>Dr Balasubramaniam M,PhD

>http://www.campo-research.com

>http://www.campo-research.com/campo/f-discuss.html









==========

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies??? (Long)

From: "Gale Koch" <gdkoch@inav.net>

Date: 14 Apr 1998 16:14:31 GMT

--------





Beesticker <beesticker@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998041204280600.AAA15027@ladder01.news.aol.com>...



> Bach Flower remedies come under the category of "magic" or, as some

prefer to

> spell it, "magick".  That's why there's no scientific explanation for why

they

> work, and why there will never be.



(Much Snippage)



> Got that?

> 

> >---Broomstick----



Yeah, I think so.  As far as providing a "scientific" explaination, you

believe that there is none, because the scientific method requires

reproducable "proof" of an effect, and since "scientific" thinkers have

not, as yet, proven a tangible link between BFRs and the claimed benefits,

these benefits will be accepted by the scientific community only as placebo

effects?  



Did I read you right?



This reminds me of the women who suffered PMS before PMS was legitimitized

by the medical community as a "real" medical concern.  The women were said

to be "seeking attention", or told the pain was "only in their

imagination".  If we all put our minds to it, I'm sure we can come up with

dozens more examples like this.  (Flat earth, shown to be round, Ether

shown to be composite gas atmosphere, etc.)  



In the end, the way we explain/understand things doesn't matter until we

try to share our understanding with others, who may work with a different

frame of reference.  Looking at something from a new perspective often

opens up new directions for exploration and may "renew" an art or science

thought to be stagnant.



I'd like to share parts of (the only other) response (private) to my query

, and I do hope the dialogue will continue:



This person starts by saying "Science is discovering that at the most basic

level, everything is vibration."  That "Flower essences are the healing

energies of flowers imprinted onto water." (In contrast to the chemical

healing properties of plants.)



The claim is that Flower Essences work energetically, rather then

chemically.



As a chemist, I can get my mind to work with statements such as these,

because I believe molecules vibrate, and I can concieve that matter IS

energy.  The powerful effect of vibrating molecules is evident today as our

atmosphere becomes richer in those molecules that vibrate when exposed to

UV wavelengths from our Sun. Carbon dioxide and methane for example. The

vibration of these species causes our atmosphere to heat up - more CO2,

more CH4, more heat (green-house effect).

 

I welcome posts such as the one I mention for this reason. I'm not looking

to refute or convert someone else's understanding of BFRs, only to enhance

my own.  I can't do this on my own, so I look for - no, I WELCOME other

viewpoints.



Sure I still have some "Oh yeah, RIGHT" thoughts, because the essences that

I can concieve a flower having - that might possibly be extracted into

water and not simply volatilized - would be more space consuming and have

less vibration than the examples mentioned above.



And, O yeah, the essences are said to be "imprinted" on water, and not

extracted at all.  Well how exactly DO you imprint an essence on good old

H2O?  (and what is the definition of essence, anyway, can it even be

captured?) 



This is why I asked for explainations a scientist could relate to -- we all

have our own way of looking at the world.



Nevertheless, I cannot discount something because it doesn't fit my

paradigm. I must strive to broaden my understanding -- so I ask again if

anyone knows HOW Dr. Bach conducted his research, or do you know of anyone

else who has done studies with flower essences?



Thanks to all those who attempted to answer!  Gale



---------------------------------------------------------------------------

"The brilliant light which comes from the collision of thoughts is the

'lightener' of facts." 

-Abdu'l-Baha





==========

Subject: Re: Bach's Flower Remedies??? (Long)

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 12:52:41 -0400

--------

Gale Koch wrote in message <01bd67c0$148cde80$05eee6ce@gdkoch.inav.net>...

>(...Ether shown to be composite gas atmosphere, etc.)



Funny you should mention that.  Not to flame, but actually, "Ether" is

nothing of the sort.  Ether was a term used to tag the "substance" that

electromagnetic waves traveled through.  As science became more experienced

with light and other electromagnetic phenomena, it was realized that (of

course) light and radio waves, gravity, etc. are able to "travel" through

vaccuum, so the concept of "Ether" was thrown out.  The problem is, no one

has adequately explained just how light and other energy forms do travel...

Food for thought, no?



Incidentally, (off the subject somewhat) I recently read an article in a

reputable Horse journal concerning the use of homeopathic and other

alternative treatments for horses who had not responded to conventional

medicine.  There have been some remarkable effects documented, of

chronically lame horses for instance who, given up on by the vets using

accepted procedures, regained their natural gait following treatments with

such methods as homeopathy and acupuncture.  The significant thing about

effects noted in animals, of course, is that there is no placbo effect - the

animal does not get better because it believes it will, it has got to be the

treatment.



-Rich











==========

Subject: What do number ratios mean on extracts?

From: Jonathan Kandell <jkandell@U.Arizona.EDU>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 13:10:23 -0700

--------



My passion flower/valerian extract contains valerian 1:1; passionflower

1:1, hops 1:4....  What do these ratios mean? 



jk







==========

Subject: Re: What do number ratios mean on extracts?

From: Tony Gregory <tonyg@efn.org>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 16:02:17 -0700

--------

1:1 means equal parts of each 1:4 means 20% of 1, and 80% of the other.



On Tue, 14 Apr 1998, Jonathan Kandell wrote:



> 

> My passion flower/valerian extract contains valerian 1:1; passionflower

> 1:1, hops 1:4....  What do these ratios mean? 

> 

> jk

> 

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Hibiscus for tea?

From: awvacabrew@aol.com (AWVacaBrew)

Date: 14 Apr 1998 23:49:42 GMT

--------

Does anyone know which variety of hibiscus can be used for making herbal teas?

My search of the net only revealed which ones an iguana will eat. Sure could

use some help.

Thanks.





==========

Subject: Re: Hibiscus for tea?

From: Rosemarie Dilernia <knots@agate.net>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 23:10:35 -0500

--------

> 

I found the following information in The Herb Society of America 

Encyclopedia of Herbs by Deni Bown:



Hibiscus sabdariffa is used to color and flavor most fruit-based herb 

teas. It is an aromatic, astringent, cooling herb that has diuretic 

effects, helps lower fever, and provides vitamin C. The tea is used 

internally as a tonic for digestive and kidney functions.



Hibiscus rosa-sinensis (Chinese hibiscus) is a sweet, astringent, 

cooling herb that checks bleeding, soothes irritated tissues, and 

relaxes spasms. It is used internally for excessive and painful 

menstruation, cystitis, venereal diseases, feverish illnesses, coughs, 

and to promote hair growth.



Hope this helps.

 

Rosemarie





==========

Subject: Help needed for doses of 5-HTP, GABA and SJW

From: cadown@aol.com (CADown)

Date: 15 Apr 1998 00:36:10 GMT

--------

I have a relative who has been suffering from depression and has been taking

5-HTP, GABA and SJW in the generally recommended doses.  He was doing very well

on it until he got the flu.  He's over the flu and back into a depression. 

He's also taking Ginkgo, passion flower, kava kava, gotu kola, along with his

other A (acidophilus) to Z (zinc) supplements.  Can I increase his dose of SJW

without risk?  He's 6'8", 250lbs.

Carol                



Human beings are flawed individuals...the cosmic bakers took us out a little

too early.  That's why we're as crazy as we are---Jimmy Buffett 



                                                              





==========

Subject: Can you make TINTURE from soybean?

From: unixon_31@hotmail.com

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:30:25 -0700

--------

Is it possible to mix Alcohol eith soy bean and extract from it its

estrogen-like chemical.?





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Subject: Re: Can you make TINTURE from soybean?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:15:17 -0400

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unixon_31@hotmail.com wrote in message <353445F1.20D1@hotmail.com>...

>Is it possible to mix Alcohol eith soy bean and extract from it its

>estrogen-like chemical.?



Possible, but alcohol would likely also extract a lot of other non-steroidal

components.  Why do you want to do this, when all you have to do is eat tofu

(one of my favorite foods ;-)?



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Herbs re: hormones?

From: Rebecca Haley <peacefrog63@geocities.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 02:11:13 -0400

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mountshasta@webtv.net wrote:



> Symptoms:

> 

> Incredible mood swings(lucky I have a guy who loves me! Geez!)

> PMS out the wazoo (I've never had PMS before now)

> Lots of bleeding



For regulating your cycle I'd recommend vitex,dong quai(dong quai is

excellent for regulating cycles, but it may increase uterine bleeding,

so be cautious if you choose to use it), motherwort, skullcap, and

ginger is good for regulating cycles put off-balance stress, illness, or

overexertion. 



Hops may help with any nervousness, irritability and hot flashes that

often accompany irregularity. It also raises estrogen levels. If you are

also experiencing hot flashes, I'd also recommend black cohosh or

fenugreek.



-- 

Peacefrog



http://www.geocities.com/soho/museum/8963

peacefrog63@geocities.com





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Subject: what are urinary tract infection preventative herbs

From: "Laura Cuozzo" <lcuozzo@zulutv.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 11:28:08 +0200

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Hi.



For years I've taken unsweetened cranberry juice as a preventative for

chronic UTIs (with mixed success.) I sometimes mix tinctures of uva ursi

with the juice and keep it in my refrigerator for convenience. Are there any

other herbs I could mix with the cranberry juice that helps prevent UTI's.

Does putting the tincture in the juice weaken the power of the herbs in any

way? Would I dry powder mixed with the juice be just as effective?  Are

there herbs that treat UTI's that shouldn't be mixed?



Thanks for your help!



Laura









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Subject: Re: Help: Echinacea seeds sold everywhere!

From: "Irek (IA) Wanicki" <wanickii@rocketmail.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:15:40 +0200

--------

Iris Fields wrote:

> 

> Every store selling seeds sell this plants seeds.  I have seen these seeds

> at WalMart, K-Mart, Lowes, Home Depot, Krogers, Food Lion among many.  The

> seeds are usually less than $2.00 a package.

> --



Every store... Well, definitely not here in South Africa :-).

Regards, 



Irek



========================================================================

Irek Wanicki

wanickii@rocketmail.com

http://members.tripod.com/~wanickii

========================================================================

[ Views expressed are my own only ]





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Subject: what are herbs for urinary tract infections

From: "Laura Cuozzo" <lcuozzo@zulutv.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 14:17:43 +0200

--------

Hi.



I've been drinking unsweetened cranberry juice to fight my frequent urinary

tract infections (with mixed success).  I've started to mix uva ursi

extracts with the cranberry juice and leave it in the refrigerator for

convenience sake.  Does mixing it with juice affect the potency of the uva

ursi? Does it matter if the uva ursi is liquid (what I have been using) or

powder. What are other herbs I could mix with the cranberry? Are there any

herbs which help prevent UTI's that shouldn't be used in combination?



Thanks!



Laura









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Subject: Re: what are herbs for urinary tract infections

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:40:59 -0400

--------

Juniper berries help tremendously.  I just take the capsule 2-4 at a time, 5

times a day when I have an infection.  Three to five days usually does it.



If you are having recurrent infections, you may have a Candida problem, or

need to acidify your urine.



Laura Cuozzo wrote in message <6h2tje$hac$1@server5.rscs.net>...

>Hi.

>

>I've been drinking unsweetened cranberry juice to fight my frequent urinary

>tract infections (with mixed success).  I've started to mix uva ursi

>extracts with the cranberry juice and leave it in the refrigerator for

>convenience sake.  Does mixing it with juice affect the potency of the uva

>ursi? Does it matter if the uva ursi is liquid (what I have been using) or

>powder. What are other herbs I could mix with the cranberry? Are there any

>herbs which help prevent UTI's that shouldn't be used in combination?

>

>Thanks!

>

>Laura

>

>









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Subject: Banana cures headache

From: fleet@cbl.umces.edu (Fleet Teachout)

Date: 15 Apr 1998 17:09:54 GMT

--------

Someone told me tying a banana skin to my forehead would cure a headache.

I'm desparate and will try anything; but am I supposed to put the outside

of the peel next to my skin or vice versa?





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Subject: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 13:28:59 -0500

--------

Here is a protocol I thought would help the person with the gallstones.





Have a sonogram before beginning a flush to determine size of the stones. If they are too large to pass through the bile and urethral ducts, they must be dissolved first.



Here's a diet outline for dissolving them:

9 day gallstone fast and flush.



1. Repeat this mild 3 day olive oil and lemon liquid diet for 3 days:

On rising: take 2 TBS. olive oil and the juice of 1 lemon in water.

Breakfast: take a glass of carrot/beet/cucumber juice+ADs- or a potassium broth or juice.

Mid-morning: have 1 to 2 cups chamomile tea.

Lunch: take another glass of lemon juice in water with 2 TBS. olive oil+ADs- and a glass of black cherry juice, carrot juice or organic apple juice.

Mid-afternoon: have 1 to 2 cups chamomile tea.

Dinner: have another glass of organic apple, carrot, or black cherry juice.

Before bed: Have another cup of chamomile tea.



2. Follow with a 5-day alkalizing diet. Drink 6 to 8 glasses of water each day. (preferably distilled)

On rising: take 2 TBS. cider vinegar in water with 1 teas. honey+ADs- or 2 TBS. lemon juice in water, or a glass of fresh grapefruit juice.

Breakfast: take glass of carrot/beet/cucumber juice, or potassium broth or juice.

Mid-morning: have 1 to 2 cups of chamomile tea, and a glass of organic apple juice.

Lunch: take a green drink, and a fresh green salad with lemon/oil dressing. Have a cup of dandelion tea after lunch.

Mid-afternoon: have 1 to 2 cups of chamomile tea, and another glass of grapefruit or apple juice.

Dinner: have a small green salad with lemon/oil dressing+ADs- or some steamed vegetables with brown rice or millet+ADs- and another glass of organic apple juice.

Before bed: have another cup of chamomile or dandelion tea.



3. Finish with a 1 day intensive olive oil flush:

Starting around 7 P.M. on the evening of the 5th day of the alkalizing diet: make a mix of 1 pint of pure olive oil and 9 to 10 juiced lemons+ADs- take 1/4 cup of this mix every 15 minutes until it is gone, (about 3 to 4 hours). Lie on the right side for better assimilation if desired.



If you don't like the diet above, I have one for a 4 day intensive olive oil flush if you're interested in that instead. I would also suggest changing your diet to prevent them from occurring again. Also doing routine Detoxifying fasts every 3 to 4 months is a good protocol.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:13:33 -0400

--------

Note that doing a full liver flush is a very alkalizing thing in and of

itself and shouldn't be done by anyone who is already too alkaline.  Also,

if you do everything right and still get nauseous, or see no stones at all,

you are probably very toxic and need to repeat the flush in a few weeks.



slade or kay henson wrote in message +ADw-6h2u9l+ACQ-c5h+ACQ-1+AEA-news3.alpha.net+AD4-...

Here is a protocol I thought would help the person with the gallstones.





Have a sonogram before beginning a flush to determine size of the stones. If

they are too large to pass through the bile and urethral ducts, they must be

dissolved first.



Here's a diet outline for dissolving them:

9 day gallstone fast and flush.



1. Repeat this mild 3 day olive oil and lemon liquid diet for 3 days:

On rising: take 2 TBS. olive oil and the juice of 1 lemon in water.

Breakfast: take a glass of carrot/beet/cucumber juice+ADs- or a potassium broth

or juice.

Mid-morning: have 1 to 2 cups chamomile tea.

Lunch: take another glass of lemon juice in water with 2 TBS. olive oil+ADs- and

a glass of black cherry juice, carrot juice or organic apple juice.

Mid-afternoon: have 1 to 2 cups chamomile tea.

Dinner: have another glass of organic apple, carrot, or black cherry juice.

Before bed: Have another cup of chamomile tea.



2. Follow with a 5-day alkalizing diet. Drink 6 to 8 glasses of water each

day. (preferably distilled)

On rising: take 2 TBS. cider vinegar in water with 1 teas. honey+ADs- or 2 TBS.

lemon juice in water, or a glass of fresh grapefruit juice.

Breakfast: take glass of carrot/beet/cucumber juice, or potassium broth or

juice.

Mid-morning: have 1 to 2 cups of chamomile tea, and a glass of organic apple

juice.

Lunch: take a green drink, and a fresh green salad with lemon/oil dressing.

Have a cup of dandelion tea after lunch.

Mid-afternoon: have 1 to 2 cups of chamomile tea, and another glass of

grapefruit or apple juice.

Dinner: have a small green salad with lemon/oil dressing+ADs- or some steamed

vegetables with brown rice or millet+ADs- and another glass of organic apple

juice.

Before bed: have another cup of chamomile or dandelion tea.



3. Finish with a 1 day intensive olive oil flush:

Starting around 7 P.M. on the evening of the 5th day of the alkalizing diet:

make a mix of 1 pint of pure olive oil and 9 to 10 juiced lemons+ADs- take 1/4

cup of this mix every 15 minutes until it is gone, (about 3 to 4 hours). Lie

on the right side for better assimilation if desired.



If you don't like the diet above, I have one for a 4 day intensive olive oil

flush if you're interested in that instead. I would also suggest changing

your diet to prevent them from occurring again. Also doing routine

Detoxifying fasts every 3 to 4 months is a good protocol.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade















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Subject: Re: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:22:52 GMT

--------

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 01:13:33 -0400, "Bill Winston"

<b.winston@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>Note that doing a full liver flush is a very alkalizing thing in and of

>itself and shouldn't be done by anyone who is already too alkaline.  Also,

>if you do everything right and still get nauseous, or see no stones at all,

>you are probably very toxic and need to repeat the flush in a few weeks.



I just have to point out... I have *one* stone that is TEN CENTIMETERS (I

know you mention this in the beginning of the post)!  The prospect of

trying to pass that sucker just makes me want to avoid anything at all like

what you suggest.  I"ve also read that the flushes recommended don't

actually cause the stones to pass, but create in the bowels a "stone like"

ball.  Are the stone you suggest get passed by this process soapy?



>slade or kay henson wrote in message +ADw-6h2u9l+ACQ-c5h+ACQ-1+AEA-news3.alpha.net+AD4-...

>Here is a protocol I thought would help the person with the gallstones.

>

>

>Have a sonogram before beginning a flush to determine size of the stones. If

>they are too large to pass through the bile and urethral ducts, they must be

>dissolved first.

>

>Here's a diet outline for dissolving them:

>9 day gallstone fast and flush.

>

>1. Repeat this mild 3 day olive oil and lemon liquid diet for 3 days:

>On rising: take 2 TBS. olive oil and the juice of 1 lemon in water.

>Breakfast: take a glass of carrot/beet/cucumber juice+ADs- or a potassium broth

>or juice.

>Mid-morning: have 1 to 2 cups chamomile tea.

>Lunch: take another glass of lemon juice in water with 2 TBS. olive oil+ADs- and

>a glass of black cherry juice, carrot juice or organic apple juice.

>Mid-afternoon: have 1 to 2 cups chamomile tea.

>Dinner: have another glass of organic apple, carrot, or black cherry juice.

>Before bed: Have another cup of chamomile tea.

>

>2. Follow with a 5-day alkalizing diet. Drink 6 to 8 glasses of water each

>day. (preferably distilled)

>On rising: take 2 TBS. cider vinegar in water with 1 teas. honey+ADs- or 2 TBS.

>lemon juice in water, or a glass of fresh grapefruit juice.

>Breakfast: take glass of carrot/beet/cucumber juice, or potassium broth or

>juice.

>Mid-morning: have 1 to 2 cups of chamomile tea, and a glass of organic apple

>juice.

>Lunch: take a green drink, and a fresh green salad with lemon/oil dressing.

>Have a cup of dandelion tea after lunch.

>Mid-afternoon: have 1 to 2 cups of chamomile tea, and another glass of

>grapefruit or apple juice.

>Dinner: have a small green salad with lemon/oil dressing+ADs- or some steamed

>vegetables with brown rice or millet+ADs- and another glass of organic apple

>juice.

>Before bed: have another cup of chamomile or dandelion tea.

>

>3. Finish with a 1 day intensive olive oil flush:

>Starting around 7 P.M. on the evening of the 5th day of the alkalizing diet:

>make a mix of 1 pint of pure olive oil and 9 to 10 juiced lemons+ADs- take 1/4

>cup of this mix every 15 minutes until it is gone, (about 3 to 4 hours). Lie

>on the right side for better assimilation if desired.

>

>If you don't like the diet above, I have one for a 4 day intensive olive oil

>flush if you're interested in that instead. I would also suggest changing

>your diet to prevent them from occurring again. Also doing routine

>Detoxifying fasts every 3 to 4 months is a good protocol.

>

>Kay

>

>

>  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

>              or

>  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade

>

>

>

>





--

Siobhan Perricone

"If people do not believe that mathematics is simple, it is only because

they do not realize how complicated life is."

 -- John von Neumann





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Subject: Re: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:43:49 -0500

--------

The protocol described dissolves the stones so that they can pass.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:25:27 GMT

--------

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:43:49 -0500, "slade or kay henson"

<nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote:



>The protocol described dissolves the stones so that they can pass.



It is my understanding that this isn't really what happens.  I can't

remember where I read about it, though.  *sigh*  Do you have some

references to cite regarding this procedure so I can look them up?



--

Siobhan Perricone 

"If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the computer, 

a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, 

and explode once a year, killing everyone inside." 

     -Robert X. Cringely, InfoWorld





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Subject: Re: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:50:58 GMT

--------

	OK, I'm the one who asked for this info in the first place, so

I guess I'll comment here. 

	I am not using the specific regimen being debated in this

thread. I am using a 3-day, apple juice fast. And at bedtime you take

an apple juice(1C)/lemon juice(1/2C)/olive oil(1C) mixture. I do

believe that the stones are passing, completely dissolved or not. The

reason I believe this is, after the first day, my gallbladder itself

was not as tender to the touch. And now, midway through the second

day, there is not even the slightest hint of gallbladder soreness, or

any odd sensation whatsoever. And even with all that oil, my gut is

not at all gassy, crampy, achy, or sour. My level of comfort has

improved dramatically.

	In all fairness, you could claim that this is simply due to

the bowel-cleansing actions of the fast. But there are two problems

with that. 

#1-Why doesn't all that olive oil cause a load of gastric upset? There

*is* a lot of gut noise (sounds like water whooshing through the

pipes), but it is not at all uncomfortable. On the contrary, it feels

sort of nice. 

#2-I tried a 48hr. liquid fast about 4 wks. ago. I thought that maybe

I had a stomach bug and was irritating it further by continuing to eat

solid foods. So I consumed nothing but Jell-0, apple juice, gatorade,

and *lots* of water for 48hrs. I was still miserable and nothing had

changed, except now I was so hungry I couldn't stand it. Because, of

course, it wasn't a stomach bug, which normally takes your appetite

away. Now if the fast had no positive effects then (when I wasn't

*nearly* as uncomfortable as I have been this past week), then I doubt

it would be helping now, when my symptoms had increased to include

localized soreness of the gallbladder itself.

	So my consensus is this. Since the regimen is greatly

improving my symptoms, where the simple fast did not, I do believe

that I am passing gallstones. If I were simply passing balls of oil,

then all of my gallstones would still be in the gallbladder and it

would still be irritated and tender to the touch. Believe me, if I

weren't improving, I would not be swallowing this vile concoction

again tonight. 

	But I am sure there is someone else out there who would

explain it away some other way.



JMHO,

GCM  	 



On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:25:27 GMT, astarte@sover.net (Siobhan

Perricone) wrote:



>On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:43:49 -0500, "slade or kay henson"

><nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote:

>

>>The protocol described dissolves the stones so that they can pass.

>

>It is my understanding that this isn't really what happens.  I can't

>remember where I read about it, though.  *sigh*  Do you have some

>references to cite regarding this procedure so I can look them up?

>

>--

>Siobhan Perricone 

>"If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the computer, 

>a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, 

>and explode once a year, killing everyone inside." 

>     -Robert X. Cringely, InfoWorld



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Subject: Re: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:04:20 GMT

--------

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:50:58 GMT, jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

wrote:



>	OK, I'm the one who asked for this info in the first place, so

>I guess I'll comment here. 

>	I am not using the specific regimen being debated in this

>thread. 



I just wanted to point out that I'm not debating anything.  I don't *know*

anything.  All I remember is reading something about this, and some

comments about why it wasn't really causing the stones to go away.  So I

asked for *more* information.  I'm not saying it's not true or that it's

not happening, I just want to *learn*.

--

Siobhan Perricone

"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair; then I

thought, 'Wouldn't it be much worse if life *were* fair, and all the

terrible things that happened to us come because we actually deserved

them?'  So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and

unfairness of the universe."

- Marcus, Babylon 5, "A Late Delivery from Avalon"





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Subject: Re: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:39:18 GMT

--------

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 13:04:20 GMT, astarte@sover.net (Siobhan

Perricone) wrote:



>I just wanted to point out that I'm not debating anything.  I don't *know*

>anything.  All I remember is reading something about this, and some

>comments about why it wasn't really causing the stones to go away.  So I

>asked for *more* information.  I'm not saying it's not true or that it's

>not happening, I just want to *learn*.

>--

>Siobhan Perricone

>"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair; then I

>thought, 'Wouldn't it be much worse if life *were* fair, and all the

>terrible things that happened to us come because we actually deserved

>them?'  So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and

>unfairness of the universe."

>- Marcus, Babylon 5, "A Late Delivery from Avalon"



	And I wasn't jumping on you for your comments either, Siobhan.

I'm really sorry if it sounded that way, it wasn't intended to. I'm

learning a lot myself about all of this. So I thought I would offer my

perspective for consideration on the subject, not as a way to prove

someone else "wrong".

	So here's a little more of my reasoning for general

consideration. On the 2nd day of the regimen, I passed fewer and fewer

of these "balls" as the day went on. Eventually I was only passing a

yellow "sludge" of sorts, which contained no definitive balls of

anything. On the 3rd day, the sludge continued with no definite

balls/stones that I could see. 

	So, if these were gallstones that I was passing, I would have

to say that I have at least passed everything that is going to pass.

Whether it was all of it or not, I don't know. I do know that I am

feeling much better. The localized gallbladder pain has not returned

and I have eaten breakfast *and* lunch today without even the

slightest bit of discomfort. For the first time in a couple of months,

I am looking forward to dinner.

	Just a note in closing. Prior to the flush, I had been using

strong peppermint tea, for the gastric upset, for about a month. I had

also been taking milk thistle(silymarin) for 3-4 weeks as well.

According to some of the treatment recommendations I have received in

this NG, it is quite likely that I had succeeded in dissolving my

gallstones to some point. I passed on the order of 500 or so "split

pea" sized stones on the first morning after taking the flush mixture.

Later that day I passed probably 30-40 larger "english pea" sized

ones. Then a small amount of mixed sized ones that evening. Is it

common to pass most of the small ones first, then the larger ones?



JMHO,

GCM



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Subject: Re: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:55:04 -0400

--------

Regarding herbs for gallstones:

I just came across a reference that claims corn silk has been found helpful

in dissolving gallstones.  It is not-toxic and relatively cheap (and doesn't

even taste nasty), so might be worth a try?  Only caution is: if you buy

bulk be sure it hasn't been sprayed!  Corn (especially sweet corn) is

typically sprayed and/or dusted to prevent earworms destroying the ears, and

the stuff sticks to the silks that protrude from the ends of the ears.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 15:24:01 GMT

--------

On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:55:04 -0400, "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

wrote:



>Regarding herbs for gallstones:

>I just came across a reference that claims corn silk has been found helpful

>in dissolving gallstones.  It is not-toxic and relatively cheap (and doesn't

>even taste nasty), so might be worth a try?  Only caution is: if you buy

>bulk be sure it hasn't been sprayed!  Corn (especially sweet corn) is

>typically sprayed and/or dusted to prevent earworms destroying the ears, and

>the stuff sticks to the silks that protrude from the ends of the ears.



How do you use it?



--

Siobhan Perricone 

"If the automobile had followed the same development cycle as the computer, 

a Rolls-Royce would today cost $100, get a million miles per gallon, 

and explode once a year, killing everyone inside." 

     -Robert X. Cringely, InfoWorld





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Subject: Re: Gallstone Protocol WAS:Re: Herbs for Gallbladder

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:30:42 -0500

--------

Look into Healthy Healing by Linda Rector Page, N.D., Ph.D. and Alternative Medicine the Definitive Guide compiled the Burton Goldberg Group. Prescription for Nutritional Healing also has a similar gallstone protocol. You could also contact an N.D. in your area.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Siobhan Perricone wrote in message <35545aea.543632987@news2.sover.net>...

>It is my understanding that this isn't really what happens.  I can't

>remember where I read about it, though.  *sigh*  Do you have some

>references to cite regarding this procedure so I can look them up?









==========

Subject: Pharmaceutics & Death

From: Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:29:38 -0700

--------

D. Hagmeier-Ekborg wrote:

> 

> Right on Bo!  IT is important that both alternative medicine and Modern

> medicine work together to intergrate a better system of healing to the

> society.    Dee

> 

> On Sun, 29 Mar 1998, Bob Tyndall wrote:

> 

> > What a joke. A couple of doctors who set them selves up as the guardians of

> > your health. Talk about brainwashing. There only interest is to keep people

> > like you buying there highly expensive, and a lot of times, useless drugs.

> > What someone needs to do is set up a Quack watch for the medical profession.

> > It would serve a much better purpose , and probably save a lot more lives.

> > Modern medicine is fine, but a hell of a lot more people have died at the

> > hands of the medical profession than ever will from alternative medicine.



snip 



A  scientific study from the University of Toronto today backs up your 

fears.  100,000 people in America died from pharmaceuticals last year.  

This could make it the fourth leading cause of death in North America. 

Will send as an attachment.  





-- 

rgrace@intergate.bc.ca

--------

Attachment

DRUGS.HTM



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Subject: Re: Pharmaceutics & Death

From: callie@primenet.com (Callie)

Date: 16 Apr 1998 05:49:01 -0700

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Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:



>A  scientific study from the University of Toronto today backs up your 

>fears.  100,000 people in America died from pharmaceuticals last year.  

>This could make it the fourth leading cause of death in North America. 

>Will send as an attachment.

  Go back to the pre-pharmaceutical years, the heyday of herbal

medicine, to get an idea of the death rates and causes.  We have

the plague of Athens, cause unknown, that annihilated the city

during the Classical Greek period.  The recurring bubonic plague

episodes show the helplessness of herbal medicine against some

diseases: the plague of Justinian killed millions in the early

Christian era.  The well-known Black Death killed millions in the

post-crusade years, and remained a terror until the Great Fire of

London.

  Smallpox, cholera, typhoid .... they werre all major players

because herbs don't have the potency to control them.





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Subject: Re: Pharmaceutics & Death

From: Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 06:32:46 -0700

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Callie wrote:

> 

> Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:

> 

> >A  scientific study from the University of Toronto today backs up your

> >fears.  100,000 people in America died from pharmaceuticals last year.

> >This could make it the fourth leading cause of death in North America.

> >Will send as an attachment.

>   Go back to the pre-pharmaceutical years, the heyday of herbal

> medicine, to get an idea of the death rates and causes.  We have

> the plague of Athens, cause unknown, that annihilated the city

> during the Classical Greek period.  The recurring bubonic plague

> episodes show the helplessness of herbal medicine against some

> diseases: the plague of Justinian killed millions in the early

> Christian era.  The well-known Black Death killed millions in the

> post-crusade years, and remained a terror until the Great Fire of

> London.

>   Smallpox, cholera, typhoid .... they werre all major players

> because herbs don't have the potency to control them.



True.  But the major pharmaceuticals have the present day governments 

in their back pockets by way of Codex, lobby groups and 20 year 

patents.  Which explains the 30% profits they have been racking up 

in Canada.  



Also in Canada, and likely elsewhere,  there is a whitch-hunt going on 

against the small health food stores.  While there are bogus herbs, 

maybe the Government hunt should be going on against their 

own bosses; the multinational pharmaceutical Companies.   

Physician heal thyself.





-- 

rgrace@intergate.bc.ca





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Subject: Re: Pharmaceutics & Death

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:18:05 GMT

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On 16 Apr 1998 05:49:01 -0700, callie@primenet.com (Callie) wrote:



>Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:

>

>>A  scientific study from the University of Toronto today backs up your 

>>fears.  100,000 people in America died from pharmaceuticals last year.  

>>This could make it the fourth leading cause of death in North America. 

>>Will send as an attachment.

>  Go back to the pre-pharmaceutical years, the heyday of herbal

>medicine, to get an idea of the death rates and causes.  We have

>the plague of Athens, cause unknown, that annihilated the city

>during the Classical Greek period.  The recurring bubonic plague

>episodes show the helplessness of herbal medicine against some

>diseases: the plague of Justinian killed millions in the early

>Christian era.  The well-known Black Death killed millions in the

>post-crusade years, and remained a terror until the Great Fire of

>London.

>  Smallpox, cholera, typhoid .... they werre all major players

>because herbs don't have the potency to control them.



Has anybody heard of "biological control"?  To me it seems a kind of

ironic justice that the one organism that doesn't have any natural

predators (humans) should be periodically cut down in number by a

combination of microscopic foes.



-- 

Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm





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Subject: Re: Pharmaceutics & Death

From: wlwrx@aol.com (Wlwrx)

Date: 21 Apr 1998 01:51:53 GMT

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If one person dies from an adverse drug reaction, that is one person more than

we would wish for. To blame pharmaceuticals for the killing of 100,000 people

is like blaming the automobile for thousands of deaths.  Present day

pharmaceuticals have saved the lives of MILLIONS of people in my lifetime. 

They are not perfect.  There have been some terrible adverse reactions to these

life saving drugs.  There is a place for most types of medicine to co-exist and

to complement each other.  It is not all one way or the other with no room in

the middle.  B. Williamson, Pharmacist





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Subject: SJW  Ripoffs???

From: Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 16:34:47 -0700

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Just made my own tincture of SJW.  It came out a 

deep red, almost brown.  I have heard that the 

degree of redness show the presence of hypericin. 



I placed 1 teaspoon of storebought SJW tincture 

in a clear glass; it appeared yellow.  



I placed a teaspoon of my homemade tincture in 

a glass, it appeared brown red.  I then proceeded 

to add teaspoons of water to it until it changed to 

red.  It took 15 teaspoons of water to turn to the 

same shade of yellow as the storebought stuff!  



My point is that Good Housekeeping magazine pointed 

out that they recently (April 98) studied SJW 

capsules and extracts and found a 17 fold difference 

in the strengths.  Granted I didn't use any stems,  

but surely the commercial companies must be watering 

down their product to meet the demand.   



I used the simple Vodka in the preserving jar method 

and left it for ten days.  The SJW was dried from last 

summer but sealed in a jar. 



If anyone knows if my experiment is valid or not, 

let me know.  If it is; what are they feeding us? 



Later, Kerry



-- 

rgrace@intergate.bc.ca





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Subject: Re: SJW  Ripoffs???

From: nick <hero.uk@btinternet.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:08:28 +0100

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Kerry Grace wrote:

> 

> Just made my own tincture of SJW.  It came out a

> deep red, almost brown.  I have heard that the

> degree of redness show the presence of hypericin.

> 



Hi Kerry,



We trade SJW extract very actively.  I don't see samples of everything

we buy but most of what I have seen is a deep reddish brown.  Some

manufacturers (I'm talking about the extract producers here, not

finished dosage form producers) have a product which comes up a lighter

greyish brown.



All of it regardless of colour is supposed to be 0.3% min. hypericin but

different test methods (UV / HPLC) yield different results.  Your Good

Housekeeping thing may be a bit subjective (although perhaps a useful

comparative study).  



I'm not sure a visual 'redness' test is a very accurate way to go if you

are worried about either a) being ripped off by extract producers or b)

if you are concerned about the qty of hypericin you want to take from

your home-grown.



One known rip-off is if you see any extract that has a green

tint/colour.  This indicates the prescence of chlorophyll which would 

boost the apparent hypericin content by most spectrophotometric test

methods.  ie the 0.3% result includes chlorophyll as well.



As for plain and simple short-selling - bet it goes on big time.



BUT,  it might be worth remembering that despite everything, it is still

not really known which of the constituents of Hypericum Perforatum is

the active.  It may even be a combination.  Hypericin and pseudo

hypericin (naphthodianthrones) are there are but a bunch of other

flavonoids, phloroglucinols, xanthones etc are in there too.



Good luck with yr homemade tinctures - do they do anything for you?



Nick Carter





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Subject: Re: SJW  Ripoffs???

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 04:09:13 GMT

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I make my own tincutes and SJW oil as well.  My tincture was made from about

90% fresh buds and about 10% leaf ( you can make yourself nuts trying to

remove all leaf when harvesting).  I also harvested in a good way, with good

intentions and a git of cornmeal in exchange for the flowers.  My tincture

is red, the oil reddish brown ( tho I've seen oil that was really red and

know it was not adulterated since I knew the person who had made it).  The

oil I use topically for pain relief especially tight neck from surfing the

net  too long.









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Subject: Re: SJW  Ripoffs???

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:00:40 +0100

--------

Hmmm...  interesting



How much herb do you need to collect to get any significant amount of

oil?  Do you have a gadget to press it?  Do you press it all or just

some parts?



Do tell!



Nick





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Subject: Re: SJW  Ripoffs???

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:24:36 GMT

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I use a very scientific method, I grind the herb and oil together in a

blender until it's the consistency of runny applesauce.  I shake the jar

daily and let it sit in a dark place for about 6 weeks.  Some books say let

it sit in the sun but I'm afraid the oil will go rancid.  I use organic

olive oil.  When it's time to press it out I use cheesecloth or a jelly bag

then let it settle for a few days, then strain through a coffee filter.



The best quality oil is make with just flowers but if you don't have a lot

of herb you can use some leaf as well.













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Subject: Lowering Cholesterol without hurting Liver

From: macon04@rocketmail.com

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 18:16:48 -0600

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Hi.

I have been on a medication to lower cholesterol, but now find out

that it has damaged my liver enzymes. Do you all have any suggestions

to lower cholesterol safely?

Thanks for your replies.

Charles.



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Subject: Re: Lowering Cholesterol without hurting Liver

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 22:48:01 GMT

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macon04@rocketmail.com wrote:



>Hi.

>I have been on a medication to lower cholesterol, but now find out

>that it has damaged my liver enzymes. Do you all have any suggestions

>to lower cholesterol safely?



Zone diet, cleaning the liver, avoiding grains and starches,

magnesium, B vitamins.   There are also plenty of single supplements

in the herb shops, or just plain garlic, that will do the job.  I have

seen good ones by Enzymatic Therapy and Country Life Biochem and

many others.  



Fastest I have seen is with Atkin's diet - down 100 points in one

month (from 300).  Triglycerides went through the floor, too.



turf







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Subject: Re: Lowering Cholesterol without hurting Liver

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 17 Apr 98 02:08:26 GMT

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New Haven Community Pharmacy <pharmacy@bardstown.com> wrote:

>reduced cholesterol and reversed heart conditions using a 10% dietary 

>fat diet.  It works!  JP, Rph



A reduced total, but very low fat usually reduces HDL much more in

proportion to LDL reduction, leaving you with a somewhat lower total,

but a much worse HDL/LDL ratio, which is less heart healthy.



     Corr: The low fat/low cholesterol diet is ineffective

     "http://www.syndicomm.com/corr.html"



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: Lowering Cholesterol without hurting Liver

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 17 Apr 98 02:15:22 GMT

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>macon04@rocketmail.com wrote in article

><6h3f50$6uc$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>> Hi.

>> I have been on a medication to lower cholesterol, but now find out

>> that it has damaged my liver enzymes. Do you all have any suggestions

>> to lower cholesterol safely?

>> Thanks for your replies.



Roly-Poly <Nospam@myhouse.net.com> wrote:

>I lowered mine from 240 to 150 by diet and exercise alone.  I gave up red

>meats and almost all animal fats.  I walked the dog 1 mile a day - almost

>every day.  I increased my consumption of veggies of all kinds and ate more

>fruit.  I don't know how low it dropped the 1st month as I had to go back

>in 4 months for another test.  I mainly ate fish, chicken & turkey

>(skinned) for proteins and more bean & rice dishes.  Look to your diet and

>exercise first = then other things like herbs and drugs.  Good Luck  :O)



It's pretty standard for doctors to prescribe diet and exercise, and if

that doesn't work, a drug that completely prevents the digestion of fats

before resorting to the statin drugs that damaged this person's liver.

If diet and exercise was going to help, it already would have. 



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Any Herb Doctors out hear??

From: "Flagship" <jriggs38@erols.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:10:24 -0400

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    I would like to ask also if any body knows of any books that may be used

to help a person who is a

Diabetic which herbs may do more harm than good.



Thanks



--

          Some people have very little to say



           but you have to listen a long time



                       to find that out.









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Subject: Re: Any Herb Doctors out hear??

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 23:53:29 GMT

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In article <6h759n$m1p$2@winter.news.erols.com>, "Flagship"

<jriggs38@erols.com> writes:



>

>    I would like to ask also if any body knows of any books that may be used

>to help a person who is a

>Diabetic which herbs may do more harm than good.

>

>Thanks



Try Michael Murray's book: GETTING WELL NATURALLY: DIABETES & HYPERTENSION.

It's a very popular book in our store, not very long but lots of good

suggestions on the safe uses of herbs and vitamins.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle WA

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine (ISBN

0761512446) Prima Publishing, April 1998

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/





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Subject: Re: Any Herb Doctors out hear??

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:15:47 GMT

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healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) wrote:





>>to help a person who is a

>>Diabetic which herbs may do more harm than good.

>Try Michael Murray's book: GETTING WELL NATURALLY: DIABETES & HYPERTENSION.



Excellent suggestion, and when I bought it I would also go ahead and 

get a bottle  of Enzymatic Therapy Doctor's Choice for Diabetics 

multi, which Murray formulated.  He's the "doctor" in their line.



turf







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Subject: Re: Any Herb Doctors out hear??

From: "Flagship" <jriggs38@erols.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:07:26 -0400

--------



>

>>>to help a person who is a

>>>Diabetic which herbs may do more harm than good.

>>Try Michael Murray's book: GETTING WELL NATURALLY: DIABETES &

HYPERTENSION.

>

>Excellent suggestion, and when I bought it I would also go ahead and

>get a bottle  of Enzymatic Therapy Doctor's Choice for Diabetics

>multi, which Murray formulated.  He's the "doctor" in their line.

>

>turf





This is for my self and I do know the dangers of it this is why I ask if

there are any books out there dealing with it for I need to read up on it

before I use the herbs I now have and grow.

I used herbs for over 12 years and found out that I have Diabetes for the

past four Mouths now I need to find out what will do more harm than good.

Dealing with colds and the like for I use all soaps and oils now as far as

cleaning things and the herbs taken to clean the body and to heal things may

now just do more harm so I need to read on it. And yes I know I will have to

aim for my guts to do the work But there are a lot of herbs to do this and I

need info  Thanks.









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Subject: Re: Any Herb Doctors out hear??

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 21 Apr 1998 19:56:46 GMT

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In article <6h8utd$2n8$1@camel18.mindspring.com>, turf@mindspring.com (turf)

writes:



>>Try Michael Murray's book: GETTING WELL NATURALLY: DIABETES & HYPERTENSION.

>

>Excellent suggestion, 



Thanks, now if I could only type the title correctly. It should read:

Getting Well Naturally: Diabetes And Hypoglycemia by Michael Murray ND



Sorry, I was having a conversation about hypertension w/a customer while

finishing up my e-mail. 



The other popular books with diabetics are the Barry Sears Zone diet (Enter the

Zone, Mastering the Zone, etc). The diet seems to balance out blood sugar

levels -- I have an aunt who is a non-insulin dependent diabetic who finds this

diet works very well for her. 



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/





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Subject: Re: Any Herb Doctors out hear??

From: "Flagship" <jriggs38@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:04:14 -0400

--------



>

>>>Try Michael Murray's book: GETTING WELL NATURALLY: DIABETES &

HYPERTENSION.

>>

>>Excellent suggestion,





I just got this and could not put it down I have read at least 1/2 of it in

one day very good and only cost $6.00













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Subject: A Few Very General Statements

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 02:44:38 GMT

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Hi all.  I've been reading and posting here for a few months, and I

thought that I'd just share a few comments with you.  These are

attitudes and ideas which can be harmful to the safe and sane usage of

herbs.



1)	Some Is Good, Therefore More Is Better!!!



Wrong!  This attitude is one that will definitely kill you if you keep

with it.  Many herbal remedies have been worked out over time to

precise doses which will deal with specific conditions.  However, if

you use too much, the potent alkaloids in many herbs are likely to

build up to toxic levels.  This has led to the banning of many herbs

from public sale and use (for eg, Comfrey is not allowed to be sold

OTC in Australia).  The thing to remember in this case is the effect

of alcohol - one drink makes you relaxed, calmer, less stressed.  Ten

make you paralytic. 



2)	This Product Will Solve All My Problems!!!



To put it bluntly, Bollocks!  There is no one product, be it a herbal

tea, a special diet, a particular medication, or a certain religion,

which can be guaranteed to solve *all* of your problems.  If you are

fat, socially inept, and shy, all that losing weight will do is make

you thin, socially inept and shy.  If you have a problem with

depression, as well as assorted physical aches and pains, the best

remedy is to deal with the physical aches and pains as *well* as the

depression.  The interaction between the mind and the body is a

complex and subtle one, which conventional medicine is only just

beginning to recognise - physical and psychological problems are often

inter-linked.  Don't put all your eggs in one basket.



This also applies to the ongoing wrangle about whether herbal medicine

is "better" than conventional medicine.  They are neither of them

better than each other, but at best they can act as complements to

each other.



3)	I Deserve To Live To Be Immortal!!!



Why?  This chasing after immortality is one of the key problems with

society at large today.  People seem to honestly believe that they are

somehow entitled to remain on this planet indefinitely, regardless of

the impact that this will have.  "Let somebody else die" seems to be

the catchcry of today.  Sorry folks, but the sad truth is that we will

all die sometime, and we will all die for some reason.  Desperately

seeking after herbs to treat cancer, or heart disease, or dementia, or

just plain old age is silly.  Certainly, seek something to ease the

pain, or calm the symptoms (nobody should have to die in agony), but

try to avoid chasing immortality.  Accept death, when it arrives, as a

natural part of the life cycle.



Just my opinion.



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm





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Subject: Re: A Few Very General Statements

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:56:07 -0400

--------

Thanks for your thoughts, Meg!  Very well thought out and expressed, IMHO.

Just a few things I'd comment on.



Meg, The Magpie wrote in message <35356e8a.505255@loomi.telstra.net>...

>

>1) Some Is Good, Therefore More Is Better!!!

>

>Wrong!

>2) This Product Will Solve All My Problems!!!

>

>To put it bluntly, Bollocks!



Absolutely agree!  I would go one step further and say that one should not

use (most) herbs with the expectation that they will take the place of drugs

your doctor may prescribe.  Most herbs are not instant or cure-all

medicines, though there are a number which, because their general tonic

effects may help the body fight off the effects of disease and age, may be

considered helpful for a wide range of disorders.  The point I want to

emphasize (again and again) is that herbs IN GENERAL if used properly work

WITH the body to HELP it become and stay healthy.  That means, for instance,

that one cannot live on Mickey-D's burgers and take a garlic tablet or two

per day with any realistic expectation that one's blood LDL's will thereby

be controled!  Herbs, that is, the simple mild ones, the gentle tonics and

alteratives, ARE FOODS if used properly, just as vegetables and fruits,

sources of powerful antioxidants, essential minerals and vitamins, ARE

HERBS.  The distinction between them is simply a matter of habit and usage,

NOT a fundamental one.  This is well-understood in places where the use of

"herbs" is blended into everyday life. In China, for instance, it is

perfectly reaonable to order Ginseng-Chicken soup as a meal; and the Chinese

assign known healing properties to their everyday foods as well, just as we

should (and would, if we thought about it).



Now, I am NOT saying that there are not herbs that one must be careful of,

or which have properties which cause them to have powerful if not dangerous

effects on the body.  Many of these are very well-documented.  One of the

unfortunate side-effects of the current fad for herbal medicine IMHO is that

herbs can somehow simultaneously have powerful physiological effects on our

bodies and still be completely safe to use in any dose.  You can get too

much of anything (well, except maybe love), and herbs, especially the

stronger ones, are certainly no exception.



>This also applies to the ongoing wrangle about whether herbal medicine

>is "better" than conventional medicine.  They are neither of them

>better than each other, but at best they can act as complements to

>each other.





Again, I agree completely!  Medical science is not pefect, and doctors 9and

directors of hospitals and pharmaceutical companies) are after all human, so

there will always be some greed, incompetance, indifference.  There are also

very many people working in this field for only the best reasons - to help

ease the suffering of their fellow men and women.  Throwing away all the

accomplishments of medical science because of some bad or misguided efforts

on the part of a minority of people in the field is such a waste!



>3) I Deserve To Live To Be Immortal!!!



>Why?  This chasing after immortality is one of the key problems with

>society at large today.



And that is IMO because we have thrown away the idea that we as people are

anything more than blobs of thinking, living flesh, with no greater reason

in life than to satisy our immediate needs and urges, with no future beyond

the few brief years we are alloted.  What a shame! to have no future in

sight, no goal beyond the acquisition of material comfort and a few years

tacked on to an ultimately futile life.  Hard words, I know, but how many of

us can honestly say we expect anything beyond the next 25, 50, or even 100

years?  I have met people who knew their remaining time was short, who LIVED

MORE in the short time they had than others with many years ahead of them.

It is not ultimately a matter of how long, but of how well we live; not of

how much we have, but of how much we give.



>Sorry folks, but the sad truth is that we will

>all die sometime, and we will all die for some reason.



We should be glad it's true!  Several times over the past years I have read

inspired stories by authors who honestly tried to invision a future in which

people lived forever.  In every case the results were disasterous:

overpopulation or NO children born, that's one choice; loss of the sense of

excitement, of newness, and the sense that every day was just the same as

some remembered day, just a rerun of some past experience, which could never

quite match the original in intensity or brilliance.  Many people remember

their first taste of a favorite food, there first glimpse of a favorite

landscape, their first meeting with a beloved friend.  Imagine no more

firsts.  Imagine extreme polarization of society, with the few greedy,

unscrupulous, and clever enough to pull it off ultimately controlling all

aspects of society.  Image an immortal Stalin or Hitler, with the

accumulation of hundreds of years of wealth and power!



>Desperately seeking after herbs to treat cancer, or heart disease,

>or dementia, or just plain old age is silly.  Certainly, seek something to

>ease the pain, or calm the symptoms (nobody should have to die in agony),

>but try to avoid chasing immortality.



Here I would take mild exception.  I have met children whose lives would end

before their first experience of romantic love, before their first real

taste of the world, of the personal freedom and responsibility of adulthood,

because a cancer or some other equally devistating disease would take their

young lifes too early.  I know people in their 30's who have been told they

may not see 45 or 50, and I feel pain and compassion that compels me to seek

and pray for a cure, for some miracle that will give them even a few more

years.  Yeah, I'm being sentimental, that's just me, no apologies.  That's

not a wish for immortality, just my own distorted sense of fairness.



>Accept death, when it arrives, as a natural part of the life cycle.





Well, we'd better, as it will come whether we accept it or not.  Better we

should see it as an old friend than an implacable enemy, because we will

lose that fight if we do.  Death is just another door, another milestone on

our spirits' journey.



>Just my opinion.



>

>Meg, The Magpie





And a good one, IMO.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: A Few Very General Statements

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:33:36 +0100

--------

Wotcher Meg,



Nice post. A thought:



Craving immortality is hardly only a modern day obsession.  Popular

Daoism in China sought elixirs of life for centuries in secret herbal

concoctions and there are analogues in most societies at some stage in

history.  The fountain of youth is a powerful symbol.  



With the promise of life eternal in [insert: your paradise of choice

/wheel of life / etc ] the idea of somehow cheating the finality of

death was extended by the religious into the abstract from where the

alchemists had failed in the physical world.  Harder to disprove too.



In fact, considering the poxy life spans expected by humans through the

majority of our collective history, immortality must have seemed

particularly appealing.  You're surely more interested to listen to

proselytizing zealots if you're likely to pop yr clogs while you can

still legitimately sing "why must I be a teenager in love".



The difference today is perhaps that we take health care so much for

granted - we expect NOT to die or know anyone who has died young, or see

a dead person.  



Sneeze?  here, take a course of amoxy (no need to finish it if you can't

be arsed).



SWALK,



Nick X



"le croissant d'hier n'est plus un croissant"





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Subject: Re: A Few Very General Statements

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 04:59:06 GMT

--------



Good thread.



Life may not be extended, but those last 40 years could certainly do with a

bit of an improvement in quality.  And the 20 years before.



To me herbs have the potential to improve quality, texture, the feel of one's

life.  Life-extension and immortality be damned. Quality's the thing. 



Le croissant de demain goutera encore mieux si la bouche est en meilleur

forme. Nex





    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

    ------------------------------------------------------------------





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Subject: Re: A Few Very General Statements

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:43:40 +0100

--------

Alan Pollock wrote:

> 

> Good thread.

> 

> Life may not be extended, but those last 40 years could certainly do with a

> bit of an improvement in quality.  And the 20 years before.

> 

> To me herbs have the potential to improve quality, texture, the feel of one's

> life.  Life-extension and immortality be damned. Quality's the thing.

> 

> Le croissant de demain goutera encore mieux si la bouche est en meilleur

> forme. Nex

> 

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------

>     "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

>         perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

>                           Ariwara no Narihira

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------





Yes, but don't forget 450mg of standardized 30% min. croissantine (per

DAC 86, Supplement 3-96) only comes to around 284 degrees kelvin in old

money compared to the result you get by HPLC.



le croissant de mon oncle se trouve enfin dans la bouche de ma tante.





Do we call you Alan Pollock or Nex?



Nick





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Subject: Re: A Few Very General Statements

From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:26:50 -0800

--------

In article <353640D5.6182@mcmail.com>, hero.uk@mcmail.com wrote:



#Wotcher Meg,

#

#Nice post. A thought:

#

#Craving immortality is hardly only a modern day obsession.  Popular

#Daoism in China sought elixirs of life for centuries in secret herbal

#concoctions and there are analogues in most societies at some stage in

#history.  The fountain of youth is a powerful symbol.  



I feel the need to introject...



The Taoists of ancient times, used herbs not to 'live forever' in physical

form...but because they knew that they could experience _immortality_ in

an instant of 'time'. The _tonic_ herbs which they researched and

popularized still are useful in balancing and tonifying the processes and

tissues of the central nervous system and endocrine system.



Best wishes!



==Gene Poole==



#With the promise of life eternal in [insert: your paradise of choice

#/wheel of life / etc ] the idea of somehow cheating the finality of

#death was extended by the religious into the abstract from where the

#alchemists had failed in the physical world.  Harder to disprove too.

#

#In fact, considering the poxy life spans expected by humans through the

#majority of our collective history, immortality must have seemed

#particularly appealing.  You're surely more interested to listen to

#proselytizing zealots if you're likely to pop yr clogs while you can

#still legitimately sing "why must I be a teenager in love".

#

#The difference today is perhaps that we take health care so much for

#granted - we expect NOT to die or know anyone who has died young, or see

#a dead person.  

#

#Sneeze?  here, take a course of amoxy (no need to finish it if you can't

#be arsed).

#

#SWALK,

#

#Nick X

#

#"le croissant d'hier n'est plus un croissant"



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance





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Subject: Re: A Few Very General Statements

From: "gypsy on endor" <gypsy@endor.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:17:16 -0300

--------



i concur most heartily with the statements made here...and the MOST

important thing for ppl to remember is this...: take ANYTHING you read with

a BOULDER of salt.  don't just believe what you have read in this ng;

research your questions yourself and NEVER EVER do what is suggested in

these answers.  most of the ppl who answer these questions seem to be ppl

who either no nothing or...even worse, know a little about herbs!!!!

PLEASE!  get a "second opinion"!











In article <35356e8a.505255@loomi.telstra.net>,

magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie) wrote:



>

>Hi all.  I've been reading and posting here for a few months, and I

>thought that I'd just share a few comments with you.  These are

>attitudes and ideas which can be harmful to the safe and sane usage of

>herbs.

>

>1)      Some Is Good, Therefore More Is Better!!!

>

>Wrong!  This attitude is one that will definitely kill you if you keep

>with it.  Many herbal remedies have been worked out over time to

>precise doses which will deal with specific conditions.  However, if

>you use too much, the potent alkaloids in many herbs are likely to

>build up to toxic levels.  This has led to the banning of many herbs

>from public sale and use (for eg, Comfrey is not allowed to be sold

>OTC in Australia).  The thing to remember in this case is the effect

>of alcohol - one drink makes you relaxed, calmer, less stressed.  Ten

>make you paralytic. 

>

>2)      This Product Will Solve All My Problems!!!

>

>To put it bluntly, Bollocks!  There is no one product, be it a herbal

>tea, a special diet, a particular medication, or a certain religion,

>which can be guaranteed to solve *all* of your problems.  If you are

>fat, socially inept, and shy, all that losing weight will do is make

>you thin, socially inept and shy.  If you have a problem with

>depression, as well as assorted physical aches and pains, the best

>remedy is to deal with the physical aches and pains as *well* as the

>depression.  The interaction between the mind and the body is a

>complex and subtle one, which conventional medicine is only just

>beginning to recognise - physical and psychological problems are often

>inter-linked.  Don't put all your eggs in one basket.

>

>This also applies to the ongoing wrangle about whether herbal medicine

>is "better" than conventional medicine.  They are neither of them

>better than each other, but at best they can act as complements to

>each other.

>

>3)      I Deserve To Live To Be Immortal!!!

>

>Why?  This chasing after immortality is one of the key problems with

>society at large today.  People seem to honestly believe that they are

>somehow entitled to remain on this planet indefinitely, regardless of

>the impact that this will have.  "Let somebody else die" seems to be

>the catchcry of today.  Sorry folks, but the sad truth is that we will

>all die sometime, and we will all die for some reason.  Desperately

>seeking after herbs to treat cancer, or heart disease, or dementia, or

>just plain old age is silly.  Certainly, seek something to ease the

>pain, or calm the symptoms (nobody should have to die in agony), but

>try to avoid chasing immortality.  Accept death, when it arrives, as a

>natural part of the life cycle.

>

>Just my opinion.

>

>-- 

>

>Meg, The Magpie

>magpie@megabitch.tm





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Subject: A simple remedy for Nausea..

From: "Christine Anth" <C.R.Anth@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:55:32 -0400

--------

There's a real simple solution.. I've found.. and that's clove.  There's an

old fashioned gun.. called Clove gum.. if you can get that.. that works real

good!  If you can't find it.. you can make tapioca pudding, and put in a

nice portion of the clove spice.. and that helps immensley..



C.R.Anth@worldnet.att.net









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Subject: Re: A simple remedy for Nausea..

From: Shirley Curtis <ladyluck@bluegrass.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 02:15:50 -0400

--------

We use Ginger.  You can purchase it in capsules and it really works...good thing

to have if yu are going on a long trip!



Christine Anth wrote:



> There's a real simple solution.. I've found.. and that's clove.  There's an

> old fashioned gun.. called Clove gum.. if you can get that.. that works real

> good!  If you can't find it.. you can make tapioca pudding, and put in a

> nice portion of the clove spice.. and that helps immensley..

>

> C.R.Anth@worldnet.att.net











==========

Subject: Muira Puama/Potency Wood in Australia?

From: thebignada@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:02:52 -0600

--------

Hi there.



	Does anyone know if Muira Puama is available in Australia?  If

anyone has any contact for purchasing such herbs here in Australia, it

would be much appreciated if you could give me the contact details.  (I'm

assuming, of course, that it is legal).



Thanks,



thebignada@hotmail.com



(Please note that the extra dash (-) in the Reply-To address must be removed

to reply...)







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Subject: glycoprotiens

From: subtles@aol.com (Subtles)

Date: 16 Apr 1998 03:06:50 GMT

--------

Our family took a product called Ambertose and experienced fungal infections

including rashes, return of headaches and allergies, weight gain and GI

problems 

Any Ideas????





==========

Subject: Re: glycoprotiens

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:39:20 GMT

--------

Only that you should probably stop taking it.



What were the ingredients listed?





On 16 Apr 1998 03:06:50 GMT, subtles@aol.com (Subtles) wrote:



>Our family took a product called Ambertose and experienced fungal infections

>including rashes, return of headaches and allergies, weight gain and GI

>problems 

>Any Ideas????



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





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Subject: aacid reflux

From: Betty Terry <bettyt@dave-world.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:33:33 -0500

--------

I have a friend who suffers from severe pain from acid reflux...it was

so bad it was mistakenly diagnosed as angina - does anyone out there

know anh herbal help for this condition - please send answer to group

and to me personally thank you  bettyt

-- 









 BETTY L. TERRY - ASTROLOGER, PSYCHIC, CHANNEL, TAROT READER

 email address: bettyt@dave-world.net

 homepage:  http://farmwagon.com/psychic/index.html>

 home page at: http://homepage.dave-world.net/~bettyt





==========

Subject: Re: aacid reflux

From: "Pam Tricket" <xpamelat@datent.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:44:51 +0100

--------

Hi Betty,



My husband suffered from terrible gastric reflux for four years -- it was

firstly diagnosed as asthma (yes, asthma!!) and he was given an inhaler,

then thought to be a stomach ulcer & given drugs for that, he finally had an

endoscopy & they discovered it was reflux due to the sphincter muscle at the

top of the stomach malfunctioning (which should only open long enough to

allow food down into the stomach then snap shut again).  It gets damaged

once by a slosh of stomach acid, and then it doesn't work so well, and it

keeps getting sloshed with acid, and it works less well....etc. etc.



A friend recommended Slippery Elm as a herbal remedy -- this was before I

was "into" herbal stuff, and we were both quite dubious (my husband is the

world's biggest pessimist, if it didn't come from the doctor it can't be

REAL medicine!!), but after years of all sorts of horrible drugs with side

effects (most common is bad stomach ache--defeats the purpose, really!), we

were ready to try anything.  It's the bark of the slippery elm tree, and it

works wonders.  He took a course of it for about four weeks, and it has

completely cured his reflux and all symptoms (tho' he felt miles better

after the first day of tablets).  If he gets stressed out or eats really

spicy food (he likes raw chillies!), it tends to come back a bit, but a day

or two of the slippery elm sorts him out again.  I get tablets made by a

company called Potters, they have cinnamon & clove in them as well, but the

slippery elm is the really "important" stuff.  It stops the stomach

producing excess acid and calms the inflammation down, and lets the

sphincter muscle heal up -- I've used it myself for occasional indigestion &

it's fantastic.  All the "antacid" remedies are crap (Tums, etc.), they

might work for ten minutes if I'm lucky -- get some slippery elm for your

friend, it really is great.



Good luck & best wishes,





--

Pam

(remove x from my address to send e-mail)











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Subject: Re: aacid reflux

From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 13:35:09 GMT

--------

On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 22:33:33 -0500, Betty Terry <bettyt@dave-world.net>

wrote:



>I have a friend who suffers from severe pain from acid reflux...it was

>so bad it was mistakenly diagnosed as angina - does anyone out there

>know anh herbal help for this condition - please send answer to group

>and to me personally thank you  bettyt



Change in diet is the best course of action.  The problem is that the

sphincter at the end of the esophagus (sp?) is malformed (or in older

people, it can be a function of age weakening the muscles).  Different

foods cause a situation where the sphincter opens more.  Things like

caffeine, alcohol, and fats cause the sphincter to relax, thus allowing

stomach contents to rise up the esophagus, creating the burning sensation.



Reducing or eliminating those food items that contribute to the relaxing of

the sphincter goes a long way to reducing the problem.  Though another

course of treatment is to reduce the acidity of the stomach acid using acid

blockers.  That is what Pepcid and Tagamet do (I find Pepcid to be much

more effective than Tagment for me).  What I do is try to reduce my intake

of the foods that lead to this condition for me.  And I've also found that

one person may be affected by, say, chocolate candy, where another person

might be able to eat candy just fine.  For myself, there are certain types

of chocolates that will cause me to reflux.  Paul Newman's candy bars

always lead to reflux.  Hershey's basic chocolate bar doesn't.  Brownies

don't usually, either.  And cocoa is just fine for me.  But for someone

else, the situation might be the opposite.  But, if your friend loves

chocolate, and reacts to most every kind of it, there's still hope.  You

can buy caffeine free cocoa powder from King Arthur Flour.  Lemme know if

you want the number, I'll get out my catalog.  The price is *very*

reasonable.  You can also by low fat cocoa powder. :)  You don't have to

turn to carob (which is a yucky substitute, IMO).



I recommend that your friend take some time to discover the foods that lead

to reflux for hirself, then choose to avoid those foods, or, if sie chooses

to consume them, sie should take something like Pepcid (there is a

prescription strength version called Prilosec, it's a lot more powerful,

but it's a jillion times more expensive, and there is no generic version of

it; another note, it is the all time highest grossing medicine out there;

reflux is a *common* disorder).



As far as I've been able to determine, there are no serious long term

effects from the drugs like Pepcid or Prilosec.  Though I don't claim to be

a doctor or anything.  And I could be wrong.  I hope I'm not, because I

take them a lot.



I don't know of any herbs that have an acid inhibiting effect, though I am

hardly an expert.



Standard disclaimers apply.

--

Siobhan Perricone

Part of a message on soc.support.fat-acceptance:

It seems that, if you are a fat woman, all the other 

things about you aren't important. If a 200 lb woman 

found the cure for cancer people would ask, "Why 

didn't she invent a cure for having a big butt?".





==========

Subject: Re: aacid reflux

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:47:41 -0500

--------



So, what changes did you make in your diet?





Gale



On 16 Apr 1998, Roly-Poly wrote:



> I too suffered from this problem.  The Dr. at the time did not give me

> drugs but explained that the diet causes most of this problem.  I changed

> my diet and "voila" no more reflux.  It's caused mainly by diet and

> weakened or aged muscles that hold the stomach closed and the contents out

> of the throat (he said). 

> Carol  

> 

> Betty Terry <bettyt@dave-world.net> wrote in article

> <35357C0D.6DB2@dave-world.net>...

> > I have a friend who suffers from severe pain from acid reflux...it was

> > so bad it was mistakenly diagnosed as angina - does anyone out there

> > know anh herbal help for this condition - please send answer to group

> > and to me personally thank you  bettyt

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Ursolic acid and lavender research (info need).

From: "Pavel Koba" <goodok@kharkiv.com>

Date: 16 Apr 1998 08:48:25 GMT

--------

   Dear collegues,

I work at a diploma project on comparison of Ukrainian and Moroccan

lavender (lavandula) in Ukraine at Kharkiv Pharmaceutic Academy.

I would be very appreciate if you would be able to send me some

informations about the biological activity of ursolic acid, chemcal

research of lavender (or any Internet resources links) and some articles

from Pharmacopy.

Any volume of such information will be welcomed.

I would be gratefull for your assistance.

I am looking forward to your reply.

					Youssef El Iraki.





==========

Subject: Rhubarb  vs auto-immune responses

From: nick <hero.uk@btinternet.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:03:00 +0100

--------

Does anyone have any information relating to the supposed reduction in

auto-immune responses attributed to rhubarb (rhubarb extract)?



Would love to hear any info or pointers.



Tks.



Nick





==========

Subject: Re: Rhubarb  vs auto-immune responses

From: "Irek (IA) Wanicki" <wanickii@rocketmail.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:20:40 +0200

--------

nick wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have any information relating to the supposed reduction in

> auto-immune responses attributed to rhubarb (rhubarb extract)?

> 

> Would love to hear any info or pointers.

> 

> Tks.

> 

> Nick



Nick,

I checked in a couple of books I have and they don't mention anything.

But interesting thing is that for _any_ herb _any_ side effects are 

rarely mentioned.

The herb description usually concentrate on medicinal use only i.e. 

on its positive and not negative effects. I suspect if extensive further

research was done on each herb, we would find as many problems as with

all the standard medicines. 

Regards,

Irek



========================================================================

Irek Wanicki

wanickii@rocketmail.com

http://members.tripod.com/~wanickii

========================================================================

[ Views expressed are my own only ]





==========

Subject: Re: Rhubarb  vs auto-immune responses

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:49:51 +0100

--------

Irek (IA) Wanicki wrote:

> 

> nick wrote:

> >

> > Does anyone have any information relating to the supposed reduction in

> > auto-immune responses attributed to rhubarb (rhubarb extract)?

> >

> > Would love to hear any info or pointers.

> >

> > Tks.

> >

> > Nick

> 

> Nick,

> I checked in a couple of books I have and they don't mention anything.

> But interesting thing is that for _any_ herb _any_ side effects are

> rarely mentioned.

> The herb description usually concentrate on medicinal use only i.e.

> on its positive and not negative effects. I suspect if extensive further

> research was done on each herb, we would find as many problems as with

> all the standard medicines.

> Regards,

> Irek

> 

> ========================================================================

> Irek Wanicki

> wanickii@rocketmail.com

> http://members.tripod.com/~wanickii

> ========================================================================

> [ Views expressed are my own only ]





Irek



Kind of you to spend the time.  I think we may be at slightly crossed

purposes however.  



Auto-immune responses are generally *bad* things whereby your body's

defensive system, ie yr white blood cells, start attacking your own

body.  



Rheumatoid arthritis is an example - the linings of your joints get

gradually destroyed by your own white blood cells.  (cf osteo arthritis

which is when the linings of your joints wear out over time or heavy use

- sports(wo)men beware).



RA is the one I know best as my poor mum is in a right state and getting

worse but I think MS is also an auto-immune thing where your body

attacks your own nerves.



They don't know why or when these things will start or stop and hence my

interest in rhubarb, *if*, as I had heard, it might have some effect on

somehow turning off, or reducing this auto-immune problem.



I could well be barking up the wrong tree but, kcuf it, never ask, never

know.



Be good,



Nick





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Subject: Re: Rhubarb  vs auto-immune responses

From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:13:38 -0800

--------

In article <35374918.10A@rocketmail.com>, wanickii@rocketmail.com wrote:



#nick wrote:

#> 

#> Does anyone have any information relating to the supposed reduction in

#> auto-immune responses attributed to rhubarb (rhubarb extract)?

#> 

#> Would love to hear any info or pointers.

#> 

#> Tks.

#> 

#> Nick

#



Hi Nick...



Try: 'Immune System and Chinese Herbs'



By:  Pi-Kwang Tsung, Ph.D.



Published:  1989...

Institute of Chinese Herb

16 Almond Tree Lane, Irvine, Ca 92715



ISBN:  0-613-19320-1



This is a good book and reveals the best info on 'Rhubarb root' that I have

found.



In sum, a lot on _RA_ ...the reduction of 'CIC' (circulating immune compoounds)

by the _dried, powdered root of _chinese rhubarb_ is the most radically

effective treatment I have found...however, use with caution! Powerful,

exhaustive, _purgative_...way beyond Senna lf overdose, if you take too

much.



I prefer 'Turkey (Turkish) rhubarb root' but have not found research as

good as above on Chinese R.Rt.



Hope this helps...



BTW...this info does NOT IMPLY that domestic rhubarb is in any way

medicinal or useful as above. And ALL R. rt. is aged for months or years,

before being used as medicine!!



Best wishes...



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance





==========

Subject: Re: Rhubarb  vs auto-immune responses

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:42:52 -0400

--------

Let me just say it ONE MORE TIME.



Proof.  Or even just a little solid evidence!  Methodology.  Peer review.

Do any of these words or phrases seem even remotely familiar?



-Rich

    Aquarius1922@webtv.net wrote in message

<6havlu$dtf$1@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

    Molecules don't lie Nick, information right out of the test tube....

    Maybe my information is too scientific...  maybe this column is for

    gestimates.











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Subject: Re: Kava kava root

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:45:25 +0100

--------

Alan Pollock wrote:

> 

> bella (Grizabella@jelliclecat.com) wrote:

> :On Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:57:58 +0100, nick <hero.uk@btinternet.com>

> :wrote:

> :

> :>So here I am, chewing on a sample of dried kava kava root that I'm

> :>supposed to be sending out but decided to roadtest.

> :>Seem to have a bit of a burrzz going here.

> :>Tastes like shit mind you, and more woody splinters than you can shake a

> :>root at.

> :

> :Hiya Nick, and thanks for the good belly laugh......I can just picture

> :you sitting in front of the computer.....root in hand!!

> :

> :>Is this a good idea to chew root or am I dicing with something dodgy?

> :>Watch out for those kava-pirates!

> :

> :Hmmm....I can't answer that one, I've always taken kava in capsule

> :form. Never heard of chewing on the root, but I bet you're relaxed as

> :hell...if not asleep.....as you sit at the computer. <grin>

> :

> :bright blessings

> :bella

> :-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

> :Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations.

> :I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

> : believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

> :-- Louisa May Alcott

> 

> I've also only used the caps.  But I've heard that when chewing on the root,

> it's a good idea to ingest some fat at the same time, to aid in absorption.

> Nex

> 

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------

>     "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

>         perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

>                           Ariwara no Narihira

>     ------------------------------------------------------------------





Ok,



I can now comment on the results of my conclusive kava kava dried root

chewing experience.



First I washed my root in hot water.  



Size-wise my root was a little challenged I have to admit:  just less

than a centimetre in width but long enough to satisfy nonetheless (about

15cm).



I then masticated my woody root thoroghly.  And swallowed the juices.



I left it in my mouth for about half an hour, swallowing occasionally.



I should point out that this is a kind of solo affair....  you get an

awful lot of mess.



Enough schoolboy double-entendres already - Bella, I blame you.



Alan - can't try the fat approach...  the fat all went straight through

stuck to the chitosan...  what a waste  :-)



Seriously, it worked well.  I didn't approach 'intoxication' but

mellowed out nicely.  Felt a bit uneasy not knowing how the root was

grown (ie what kind of hideous pesticides might be in there jostling for

position with the kavapyrones) but what the heck.  Plus, did you ever

chew raw licorice stem?  You're choking up bark and coughing splinters

and etc all over the shop.  Same deal here.  



Tongue and lips went numb, the taste is gross, very bitter/astringent

but noticeable tingly feeling in the extremeties after about 10 minutes. 



I don't think it will replace alcohol as my substance of abuse of choice

but interesting nonetheless.



Nick





==========

Subject: Re: Kava kava root

From: rirwin9460@aol.com (RIrwin9460)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 00:47:28 GMT

--------

In Fiji where Kava is grown for ceremonial purposes they grind up the root with

a rock until it is almost powdery.  Then they take the powder and put a fistful

inside a cloth that they tie closed like a little sack.  They then take the

sack and pour water over it in a bowl and squeeze the water out and  pour the

water over it and squeeze it out over and over again until they have something

like room temp tea.  Then it is passed around in little cups in a circle of

friends or family.  You are supposed to drink it all at once.  It makes you

mellow like taking motrin and your mouth and throat numb like novicain.  Very

spiritual if you are with a good group of people.  Try it like that, no

splinters or foul taste, you are supposed to drink the cup down all at once,

like a shot. Where did you find it in the root form?  I would like to have a

little kava kava party!





==========

Subject: Re: Kava kava root

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:17:57 GMT

--------

On 17 Apr 1998 00:47:28 GMT, rirwin9460@aol.com (RIrwin9460) wrote:



>In Fiji where Kava is grown for ceremonial purposes they grind up the root with

>a rock until it is almost powdery.  Then they take the powder and put a fistful

>inside a cloth that they tie closed like a little sack.  They then take the

>sack and pour water over it in a bowl and squeeze the water out and  pour the

>water over it and squeeze it out over and over again until they have something

>like room temp tea.  Then it is passed around in little cups in a circle of

>friends or family.  You are supposed to drink it all at once.  It makes you

>mellow like taking motrin and your mouth and throat numb like novicain.  Very

>spiritual if you are with a good group of people.  Try it like that, no

>splinters or foul taste, you are supposed to drink the cup down all at once,

>like a shot. Where did you find it in the root form?  I would like to have a

>little kava kava party!



The description of the Fijiian way of preparing kava is correct.

However, do be careful.  Kava is currently a restricted substance here

in Australia, because some idiot decided that it would be a good idea

to introduce the stuff to the local aboriginal population as a

substitute for alcohol.  Well, nice idea, trying to wean the

Aboriginal population off a massive alcohol dependence, not so

sensible doing so by introducing another sedative and depressive drug

instead (Here, have some of this cocaine to help give up your coffee

addiction!).  Several dozen addicted Aboriginies later (all stoned out

of their minds on massive doses of the stuff) the Federal Government

decided to restrict the substance to the Fijiian ethnic community, for

ceremonial purposes only.  So be warned - large doses have a

pronounced sedative effect, and are also addictive.



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm





==========

Subject: Re: Kava kava root

From: markwegner@webtv.net (Mark Wegner)

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:04:50 -0500

--------

About chewing on the root: I have heard that prolonged use will damage

the enamel on your teeth. 



Mark





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Subject: Re: Kava kava root

From: "Karen  Shelton" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:48:52 -0500

--------

I don't think it will replace alcohol as my substance of abuse of choice

but interesting nonetheless.



Nick



Why not just grate the thing up, or macerate in alcohol and strain, enjoy

best of both worlds without the splinters!



Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Online Herbal

www.altnature.com











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Subject: Re: Kava kava root

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:13:23 -0400

--------

    Aquarius1922@webtv.net wrote in message

<6hc4bb$f9v$1@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

    Kava root is toxic, but guess what Brandy is not - it is made from

    Grapes - and Wine is not toxic either  ... these are two alcoholic

    drinks that are not toxic.



    Where in the world did you get that idea?

    -Rich









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Subject: St. John's Wort

From: mbailey <mbailey@owt.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:36:17 -0700

--------

Can someone give me instructions on how to germinate/grow St. John's

Wort from seed?  I had a really detailed instruction sheet and now i

can't seem to locate it.  Please help.

peace

Mike Bailey









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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: glen_leeneverspam@cooperators.ca (Glen Lee)

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:28:26 GMT

--------

On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 08:36:17 -0700, mbailey <mbailey@owt.com> wrote:



>Can someone give me instructions on how to germinate/grow St. John's

>Wort from seed?  I had a really detailed instruction sheet and now i

>can't seem to locate it.  Please help.

>peace

>Mike Bailey

>



Hi Mike.  Are you starting them indoors or out?  



I grew some indoors last year.  They were easy to germinate and

to grow.  Sow on wet soil less mix, put plastic dome on flat to retain

moisture/humidity, put under florescent lights.  Were easy to

germinate and grow - not fussy was my experience.



Glen in Regina, SK, Canadian prairies



To direct email me, please remove

the string "neverspam" from my email address.





==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: boomer@netcom.com

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:02:38 GMT

--------

Glen Lee <glen_leeneverspam@cooperators.ca> wrote:



>moisture/humidity, put under florescent lights.  Were easy to

>germinate and grow - not fussy was my experience.



Prolific, verging on invasive, is mine.  But then I'm

in Zone 9...



C.



-- 

boomer@netcom.com             Memory believes before knowing remembers

                                                   - Faulkner





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: jrembet@ix.netcom.com

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:27:06 -0700

--------

J Martin wrote:

> 

> mbailey wrote:

> >

> > Can someone give me instructions on how to germinate/grow St. John's

> > Wort from seed?  I had a really detailed instruction sheet and now i

> > can't seem to locate it.  Please help.

> > peace

> > Mike Bailey

> 

> Hi!

> 

> I have a detailed paper on growing St. Johnswort - I'm also selling

> bare-root starts. Get in touch with me if you'd like info - info is

> always free!!!

> 

> Julie



These are easy from seed and cuttings too, so you may not need to go to

the expense of bare roots.  My experience with bare roots has been bad,

but that may have been timing related.



John R>





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: "Nick LaRocca" <poly_math@*hotmail.com>

Date: 16 Apr 1998 18:45:11 GMT

--------





jiva <jiva*@humboldt1.com> wrote in article

<35363609.3060127@news.humboldt1.com>...

> On Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:27:06 -0700, jrembet@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> 

> This plant was a very serious pest locally  before importing biological

> controls. I wonder if it's a good idea to spread it around ?

> 





Maybe you live in the NW, where it's is a real pest?



Here in the East it's not nearly that serious a problem, probably because

the plant doesn't grow vigorously in acid soil.





-- 

Nick - NJ - Zone 7a



ANTI-SPAM: Please remove  '*' from email address

"Everything should be made as simple as possible,  but not simpler"

- Albert Einstein











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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: no-junk-email@ns.net (Kathy Brunetti -- see sig)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:40:22 -0700

--------

<St. John's Wort stuff snipped>

 

> Where is it a pest?  A lot of this depends on climate and it may be a

> well controlled and attractive plant in some areas.  That is how I would

> describe it here in Austin, z8b.

> 

In Northern California & Oregon, St, John's Wort is known as Klamathweed

because it first became a problem along the Klamath River.  Klamathweed in

native to Europe but was somehow introduced into California in the 1920s

or 30s.  It took over millions of acres of rangeland, making them unusable

for cattle or sheep ranching.  The plan is very toxic to cattle & sheep. 

Wherever the animal has white hair, it sunburns.  Klamathweed also crowded

out desirable forage plants (and native plants as well).  The story of

Klamathweed control is one of the classics of biological control.  During

the 1940s, the University of California imported a beetle which

effectively controlled the weed.  To this day, Klamathweed is only

occasionally a pest, usually where there has been afire and the beetles

have been burned out.  Look in your library for books on biocontrol and

you'll find the whole story



Trivia question: what are the two monuments to insects in the US?  Answer:

the monument to the Boll Weevil in Enterprise Alabama (because it forced

the South to diversify out of cotton) and the monument to the Klamathweed

Beetle in Humboldt County California, erected by the Cattlemen and

Woolgrowers Associations.



-- 

Kathy Brunetti

The From is a fake, courtesy of my ISP.  Try this one that humans can read: 

kbrunet at ns.net





==========

To: JFR <jrembet@ix.netcom.com>

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: Kirk T Norby <kirkt@selway.umt.edu>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:34:02 -0600

--------

St. John's Wort is a growing problem in Western Montana--please don't

plant it here.



Kirk







==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: "Nick LaRocca" <poly_math@*hotmail.com>

Date: 21 Apr 1998 20:17:04 GMT

--------





JFR <jrembet@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article 





> > This plant was a very serious pest locally  before importing biological

> > controls. I wonder if it's a good idea to spread it around ?

 

> Where is it a pest?  A lot of this depends on climate and it may be a

> well controlled and attractive plant in some areas.  That is how I would

> describe it here in Austin, z8b.





The problem with any exotic species is that if it takes a liking to its

surroundings, it's going to spread to pestilent levels because there aren't

any biological checks to prevent it.



This happened with St. John's Wort (Klamathweed) in the NW US and

multiflora rose in the east, and it is happening with purple loosestrife

all over the Eastern US and Canada.



Some "naturalized" exotics don't reach these proportions and become rather

benign wildings, but even then, they occupy habitat that might be better

occupied by native species.  That could describe St. John's Wort over much

of its range.  



Although gardeners think of a "weed" as any plant that grows where it isn't

wanted, some plants are clearly more invasive than others and are more

likely to become weeds.



It's been stated that there are environments that are so disturbed (such as

in cities or other very built-up areas ) that to speak of "native" plants

there is almost meaningless.  Perhaps something like mid-town Manhattan

qualifies , but even within as densely populated a place as NYC, there are

"green areas" and habitats that should be protected.



-- 

Nick - NJ - Zone 7a



ANTI-SPAM: Please remove  '*' from email address

"Everything should be made as simple as possible,  but not simpler"

- Albert Einstein









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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: xsylvanjunkALLx@cyberhighway.net (Sylvan Butler)

Date: 21 Apr 1998 22:39:46 GMT

--------

Nick LaRocca (poly_math@*hotmail.com) on 21 Apr 1998 20:17:04 GMT wrote:

>This happened with St. John's Wort (Klamathweed) in the NW US and

>multiflora rose in the east, and it is happening with purple loosestrife

>all over the Eastern US and Canada.



Overall this was a very good post.  You just didn't go far enough.  :)



Purple loosestrife is taking over southern Idaho (nowhere near the

Eastern US, but only a few hundred miles from Canada).  It is one of

the 50 or so "noxious weeds" in Ada county, that if you are discovered

to have it on your property they will spray it and send you the bill.

St. John's Wort is bad enough in some places here, that Jerome county

just recently passed law against growing it.



sdb

--

Do NOT send me unsolicited commercial e-mail (UCE)!

Watch out for munged e-mail address.

User should be sylvan and host is cyberhighway.net.





==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort

From: michelle <dparker@algonquin.round.table.org>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:38:32 -0700

--------

mbailey wrote:

> 

> Can someone give me instructions on how to germinate/grow St. John's

> Wort from seed?  I had a really detailed instruction sheet and now i

> can't seem to locate it.  Please help.

> peace

> Mike Bailey



It's really easy to grow from seed, but it can take an entire season

before you get a plant of any size.  I planted mine on the surface of a

pot filled with potting soil.  It does not need to be covered with soil

because the seeds are very fine.   I set the pot in the refrigerator for

a week or two to fool it into thinking it experienced a winter.  Put the

pot outside in a sunny and warm place, and keep the soil somewhat moist.

Can't say how long, but the seeds will eventually germinate.  It took a

while though so be patient.  



My pot with STW overwintered fine outside, and the little plants are

re-emerging nicely.  In fact, I think the plant needs to undergo a

winter in order to encourage vigorous growth.  



Good luck and be patient.  This herb is actually a weed in the wild so

it can't be all that difficult to grow!

-- 

"... a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury;

Signifying nothing."



		--Shakespeare





==========

Subject: SJW and MAOI fatalities ??

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 16 Apr 1998 17:27:59 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes



I follow SJW very closely, as my 9-y.o. son has taken it for 9 months (he has

Tourette Syndrome).  It has been immensely successful in treating all of his

symptoms.  (I no-archive my SJW posts as I cannot keep up with the e-mail that

his success story generates.)



I'm pretty sure I keep up with everything on the internet about SJW (Camilla,

love your site).  On another closed maillist that I read, someone reported that

there were reports of fatalities linked to SJW and MAOI dietary interactions

and that Dr.'s were now telling their patients to follow MAOI dietary

restrictions.  My son takes an adult dose and does not follow any MAOI dietary

restrictions and has never had any side effects.   When I questioned the source

of this info, I was told it came from another closed, professional list, where

Dr.'s discuss things pre-publication.  I have NEVER come across any medical or

anecdotal reports of fatalities or serious problems from anyone taking SJW, and

I'm not inclined to trust this Dr. talk.  Can anyone shed any light on this? 

If it were for me, I'd ignore it, but I have a young child on SJW and feel

frightened by this undocumented info ... (my bias against Dr.'s is showing ...)



Thanks, BB2







==========

Subject: Re: SJW and MAOI fatalities ??

From: "B. Powell" <bgpowell@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:05:16 GMT

--------

It is sensible to be skeptical of innuendo coming from a group who has an

economic interest in the outcome of this argument, I would certainly think

the German experience, where SJW is so widely used, and who seem to feel it

is safe would be more persuasive.  What is the alternative, to use a

prescriptive MAO which might be even worse???  If you could locate some of

the German research results, perhaps that would be helpful.



BlessedBy2 <blessedby2@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998041617275900.NAA03583@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> X-No-Archive: yes

> 

> I follow SJW very closely, as my 9-y.o. son has taken it for 9 months (he

has

> Tourette Syndrome).  It has been immensely successful in treating all of

his

> symptoms.  (I no-archive my SJW posts as I cannot keep up with the e-mail

that

> his success story generates.)

> 

> I'm pretty sure I keep up with everything on the internet about SJW

(Camilla,

> love your site).  On another closed maillist that I read, someone

reported that

> there were reports of fatalities linked to SJW and MAOI dietary

interactions

> and that Dr.'s were now telling their patients to follow MAOI dietary

> restrictions.  My son takes an adult dose and does not follow any MAOI

dietary

> restrictions and has never had any side effects.   When I questioned the

source

> of this info, I was told it came from another closed, professional list,

where

> Dr.'s discuss things pre-publication.  I have NEVER come across any

medical or

> anecdotal reports of fatalities or serious problems from anyone taking

SJW, and

> I'm not inclined to trust this Dr. talk.  Can anyone shed any light on

this? 

> If it were for me, I'd ignore it, but I have a young child on SJW and

feel

> frightened by this undocumented info ... (my bias against Dr.'s is

showing ...)

> 

> Thanks, BB2

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: SJW and MAOI fatalities ??

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 16 Apr 1998 18:33:01 -0700

--------

blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2) wrote:



>I'm pretty sure I keep up with everything on the internet about SJW (Camilla,

>love your site).  On another closed maillist that I read, someone reported that

>there were reports of fatalities linked to SJW and MAOI dietary interactions

>and that Dr.'s were now telling their patients to follow MAOI dietary

>restrictions.

  To track down the reports, check Medline or the other on-line

medical databases.  SJW's mode of action is not understood, and

there is ocnsiderable debate about which of the constituants is

the "active one".

  It is quite possible that it has a side effect of enhancing the

effects of MAOI drugs enough that the patients have to be very

careful with diet.  Synergy is a strange thing.









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Subject: Re: SJW and MAOI fatalities ??

From: lhoover@ivory.trentu.ca (HOOVER THE MOVER)

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:18:20 GMT

--------

In article <1998041617275900.NAA03583@ladder01.news.aol.com>, blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2) writes:

>X-No-Archive: yes

>

>I follow SJW very closely, as my 9-y.o. son has taken it for 9 months (he has

>Tourette Syndrome).  It has been immensely successful in treating all of his

>symptoms.  (I no-archive my SJW posts as I cannot keep up with the e-mail that

>his success story generates.)

>

>I'm pretty sure I keep up with everything on the internet about SJW (Camilla,

>love your site).  On another closed maillist that I read, someone reported that

>there were reports of fatalities linked to SJW and MAOI dietary interactions

>and that Dr.'s were now telling their patients to follow MAOI dietary

>restrictions.  My son takes an adult dose and does not follow any MAOI dietary

>restrictions and has never had any side effects.   When I questioned the source

>of this info, I was told it came from another closed, professional list, where

>Dr.'s discuss things pre-publication.  I have NEVER come across any medical or

>anecdotal reports of fatalities or serious problems from anyone taking SJW, and

>I'm not inclined to trust this Dr. talk.  Can anyone shed any light on this? 

>If it were for me, I'd ignore it, but I have a young child on SJW and feel

>frightened by this undocumented info ... (my bias against Dr.'s is showing ...)

>

>Thanks, BB2

>



I, too, closely follow research into SJW, as I have been taking it for a 

year. I don't take anything I haven't researched.



There has been absolutely nothing published in the medical literature to 

show that SJW has MAOI activity *in the commonly used doses*. Inhibition of 

mon-amine oxidase was only demonstrated at levels equivalent to something 

like 1,000 times the therapeutic dosage. Other researchers, studying the 

very same enzymes, found no evidence of any MAOI activity at any 

concentration of SJW. That said, the inhibition that was observed was 

permanent (with respect to the enzymes active at the time), but I'd be 

very surprised if the body doesn't just respond by ramping up MAO 

production, in order to restore an effective level of enzyme activity.



No one has ever demonstrated that hypericin is the only agent acting on 

neurotranmitters, either. Current theory holds that more than one compound 

is active, and the net effect results from the synergistic interaction of 

the various components in SJW. 



Any evidence that SJW has caused serious problems because of MAOI activity 

is certainly not commonly available, and I remain skeptical that this is 

the case. Idiosyncratic metabolic differences *may* render individuals 

susceptible to unusual drug reactions, but in the case of your son, you 

already know this isn't the case.



I'll be keeping my eyes open for issue to surface, but I'd bet there's 

nothing substantive to the story you heard. For example, it is "common 

knowledge" that SJW causes photosensitivity in humans, but there is only 

one case report, of a single elderly woman, who ever demonstrated this 

effect. Her photosensitivity disappeared immediately upon discontinuation 

of the herb. Sheep die from the photosensitive reaction, but apparently 

people are generally immune to this syndrome, or consume so little as to 

make the question moot.



I know that saying "I don't know what they're talking about" is really 

neither here nor there. My readings do not disprove their evidence, if it 

really exists. But European consumption of SJW over the last twenty years 

should have shown this danger to esixt, if it really does exist.



My 2 cents,

Larry





==========

Subject: hormone replacement

From: 123@hotmail.com (Coach)

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:01:06 GMT

--------

I have had a total hysterectomy and have been taking premarin 1.25. I

feel no affects if I don't take it but I was cautioned that it could

cause problems after awhile.  I was wondering if there is anything

herbal I can take instead? 



Thanks.......

Marsha

"The world will not know peace until the last king is 

strangled with the entrails of the last priest..."



Voltaire... 







==========

Subject: Re: hormone replacement

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 17 Apr 98 01:52:40 GMT

--------

Coach <123@hotmail.com> wrote:

>I have had a total hysterectomy and have been taking premarin 1.25. I

>feel no affects if I don't take it but I was cautioned that it could

>cause problems after awhile.  I was wondering if there is anything

>herbal I can take instead? 



My mother (who is an RN nursing supervisor, certified in geriatrics) has

been very into vitamins and natural supplements as long as I can

remember.  I asked her recently what she took instead of hormone

replacement, because my mother-in-law was considering going off

Premarin.



She takes 50mg B6, 200 IU natural vitamin E (d-alpha), and Siberian

ginseng (I forgot how much of that).  I thought it would have been panax

ginseng, but she said it was definitely the Siberian.



I've heard that Wild Yam supplements and Wild Yam cream don't really

help, as their hormone-like saponins much more closely resemble

cortisone than estrogens, but I don't know how reliable that is.



Hope this helps.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





==========

Subject: Re: hormone replacement

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 11:25:37 -0400

--------

jamie wrote in message ...

>

>I've heard that Wild Yam supplements and Wild Yam cream don't really

>help, as their hormone-like saponins much more closely resemble

>cortisone than estrogens, but I don't know how reliable that is.

>

>  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



The problem with using plant sterols to substitute for those naturally

produced in the body is complex:



1)  Just because a plant contains "sterols" doesn't mean they will do you

any good.  The word "sterol" for instance, which is widely used to promote

herbal products, is simply the description of a class of chemical compounds

based on their general structure.  It does not imply any specific activity;

and indeed it is well known that there are steroids that have extremely bad

effects on the human body.  OTOH, naturally occurring phytosterols are very

widely distributed in the plant kingdom, so that it is probably difficult to

eat a balanced diet without encountering at least some of them.



2)  Poor absorption.  Assuming the sterols in any particular plant have any

significant and beneficial physiological effect on the human body, many such

compounds are destroyed in the process of digestion.  And compounds applied

to the skin may not be absorbed to a sufficient degree to be helpful.



3)  Compounds called "estrogen-like" based on structure or in vitro lab

tests can have an effect opposite to that expected or desired.  Compounds

whose structure closely mimics but does not duplicate that of those normally

produced by the body can indeed give some of the same effects as the

naturally-occurring compounds, but generally their effect is much weaker.

When introduced into the body, they can compete in processes normally

mediated by the natural estrogen, with the effect that they will *decrease*

the effective estrogenic activity in the system.  Of course, this may

actually be advantageous in some cases.



4)  Compounds promoted as "precursors" to substances produced in the body

rely on the assumption that the body will then be able to make more of the n

atural product.  In fact, of course, they only work as advertised (assuming

they are absorbed successfully) if their concentration is the limiting

factor in the synthesis.  In many cases, the problem with natural production

of hormones may occur further along in the reaction, so adding more raw

material so to speak will give no benefit.  Giving someone who has undergone

a hysterectomy an estrogen-precursor, for instance, is extremely unlikely to

have any beneficial effect whatsoever.



-Rich











==========

To: Coach <123@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: hormone replacement

From: New Haven Community Pharmacy <pharmacy@bardstown.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:46:06 -0700

--------

Coach wrote:

> 

> I have had a total hysterectomy and have been taking premarin 1.25. I

> feel no affects if I don't take it but I was cautioned that it could

> cause problems after awhile.  I was wondering if there is anything

> herbal I can take instead?

> 

> Thanks.......

> Marsha

> "The world will not know peace until the last king is

> strangled with the entrails of the last priest..."

> 

> Voltaire...There are mixed emotions in the medical community about hormone 

replacement therapy.  Proponents say that it will prevent oseoporosis 

(brittle bones when you are older) and heart conditions.  It also keeps 

your skin younger and prevents menopausal symptoms.  Those opposed say 

that any cancer of the reproductive organs (cervical, 

endometreal,ovarian, or breast) grow more rapidly in the presence of the 

hormone.  I use wild yam cream and a formula that contains several herbs 

that have estrogenic effects called Meno.  I worry about advertising, 

but you can read about them on our webpage, healthhaven.com.  JP, Rph





==========

Subject: Re: hormone replacement

From: "D. Kyle" <d-kyle1@dlemail.itg.ti.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:14:24 -0500

--------

What about the reports recently about tofu?  According to the reports

tofu added to the diet (mixed in dishes) adds a natural estrogen-like

substance to your body.  Has anyone tried it?





==========

Subject: Re: hormone replacement

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:06:14 -0400

--------

Do you mean "essential amino acids?  Peanuts are not considered complete proteins, but are taken combined with grains, which supply the limiting amino acids.



-Rich

    Aquarius1922@webtv.net wrote in message <6h9f1e$9ra$1@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

    Tofu is pure Protein... (7 out of 12)

    Peanut butter has all 12 proteins.



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Subject: Re: hormone replacement

From: Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:35:26 -0400

--------

Coach wrote:

> 

> I have had a total hysterectomy and have been taking premarin 1.25. I

> feel no affects if I don't take it but I was cautioned that it could

> cause problems after awhile.  I was wondering if there is anything

> herbal I can take instead?

> 

> Thanks.......

> Marsha

> "The world will not know peace until the last king is

> strangled with the entrails of the last priest..."

> 

> Voltaire...





Wish I could help more but my mom was taking Premarin for about 5 years

and it caused uterine cancer.  Premarin has been known to cause this for

a long time and yet it's still recommended.  I read something somewhere,

can't remember now, that's it's actually progesterone that is needed and

not estrogen.  Bugs me when I can't remember stuff.  If I find it I will

pass it on.  Anybody else hear of this?



Fidget





==========

Subject: Re: hormone replacement

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 18 Apr 1998 02:56:47 GMT

--------

Hi Marsha,



I would suggest that you run, don't walk to the nearest bookstore and buy

Susun Weed's book "Menopause the wise woman way"  She is a wonderful

herbalist and her suggestions got me through it.   She suggested Motherwort

for hot flashes for example and it turned out to be the only thing that

worked for me.



After a lifetime of using the old variety of birth control pills which

consisted of massive amounts of estrogen, I felt that I had abused my

hormonal system long enough, and decided to go it the natural way for

menopause.   (I was also influenced strongly by the breast cancer history in

my family, and seriously cystic breasts)



I could never have done it without Susun Weeds book.   There is also another

book along the same lines, but I cannot remember the name.



Read all you can.   We women of the modern age are being used as the biggest

guinea pig experiment in the world.   They are all pushing hormones at us

even if our particular circumstances are not really suited to it (like

mine).



Get all the info you can from all sides.  Don't believe the drug companies

b/s.   They stand to make lots of money from us.   Herbs have been helping

women over menopause for centuries.   They are natural and still the best

way, since they don't give you breast or uterine cancer, nor do they cause

blood clots in your lungs.



Regards,

Evelyn

Coach <123@hotmail.com> wrote in message

<6h5o4g$iee$1@nr1.vancouver.istar.net>...

>I have had a total hysterectomy and have been taking premarin 1.25. I

>feel no affects if I don't take it but I was cautioned that it could

>cause problems after awhile.  I was wondering if there is anything

>herbal I can take instead?

>

>Thanks.......

>Marsha

>"The world will not know peace until the last king is

>strangled with the entrails of the last priest..."

>

>Voltaire...

>









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Subject: Re: hormone replacement

From: oponfam@iols.net (Kathie and David)

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:28:58 -0500

--------

In article <6h94pf$8om$1@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net>, "The Puddies"

<puddies@frontiernet.net> wrote:



>Hi Marsha,

>

>I would suggest that you run, don't walk to the nearest bookstore and buy

>Susun Weed's book "Menopause the wise woman way"  She is a wonderful

>herbalist and her suggestions got me through it.   <snip>



I agree...this is a great book. She also makes suggestions about PMS and

"pre-menopause". 



I also just finished a book by Raquel Martin called "The Estrogen

Alternative, Natural Hormone Therapy with Botanical Progesterone" that I

found very interesting and informative.



Kathie





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Subject: Re:  hormone replacement

From: "lobakola" <lobakola@mail.csrlink.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:45:23 -0400

--------

my mother uses estradiol, a plant based estrogen, and does very well with

it.  she absolutely refused premarin (yay, mom!  :)  an incredibly

informative site about premarin and healthy more natural alternatives for

estrogen therapy can be found at:



http://www.equus.org/premarin.htm



loba kola



"....the time will come when men such as i will look upon the murder of

animals as they now look upon the murder of men."  --leonardo da vinci

1452-1519









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Subject: Factual  Medicinal Plant Database Online (Free)

From: Leslie Taylor <raintree@bga.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:44:15 +0000

--------

We have been uploading a great deal of new plants in our Tropical Plant

Database with factual well referenced information on almost 100

rainforest medicinal plants.  Many of the plants will be new to readers

but others like Pau d'arco, Cat's Claw, Passionflower, Quinine, Papaya

and others will be familiar.



The database contains plant drawings, phytochemical data, ethnic uses in

herbal medicine, clinical research information and abstracts, as well as

quoted text from other articles, books and publications.  Access is

free.  The main website address is http://www.rain-tree.com and the

Medicinal/Tropical  Plant Database is best accessed at: 

http://www.rain-tree.com/plants.htm



Enjoy!



Leslie Taylor

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

The Raintree Group, Inc.

1601 West Koenig Lane

Austin, Texas 78756 USA

Phone: (512)  467-6130

Fax: (512) 467-6822

email: raintree@bga.com

website: http://www.rain-tree.com





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Subject: Homeopathic treatment for thyroid?

From: "D. Kyle" <d-kyle1@dlemail.itg.ti.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:09:04 -0500

--------

Does anyone know of a reliable homeopathic treatment for a hypothyroid

problem?  My thyroid isn't working as well as it should and my doctor

suggested medication, but I would rather try a homeopathic remedy first.





                              Thanks,

                              Debra Kyle

                              d-kyle1@ti.com





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Subject: Re: Homeopathic treatment for thyroid?

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:17:08 -0500

--------

Not considered a homeopathic remedy, but I thought this protocol would help you. It is a holistic protocol. Not sure if you wanted homeopathic only, or any holistic protocol. This protocol begins with diet changes first, as is my usual way of posting.....



Follow a 75+ACU- fresh foods diet for a month to rebalance metabolism. Eat a fresh green salad every day.

Eat plenty of iodine rich foods. Sea vegetables, sea foods, fish, mushrooms, garlic, onions and watercress.

Eat Vitamin A rich foods. Yellow veggies, eggs, carrots, dark green veggies, and raw dairy.

Use an herb salt instead of table salt. Sea salt tastes great.

Avoid refined foods, saturated fats, sugars, white flour and red meats.

Avoid foods that prevent the use of iodine. Cabbage, turnips, peanuts, mustard, pine nuts, millet and soy products.

Try taking kelp tablets with cayenne caps.

Do not take iron supplements along with thyroid hormone medication. It binds up the thyroxine, rendering it insoluble.

Try raw glandular therapy. Raw thyroid, raw pituitary, raw adrenal.

Take a good multi-vitamin, preferably from natural sources, with chelated minerals for best assimilation.



Walk briskly for half an hour a day. Exercise increases metabolism and stimulates circulation.

Sun bath in the morning for naturally healing Vitamin D. Wade in the ocean whenever possible.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Oil of Oregano?

From: Jabbazzz@pop3.cris.com (Ed Jones)

Date: 16 Apr 1998 19:47:49 EDT

--------

Howdy, folks.



I heard an NPR news item a couple of weekends ago, saying that "oil of

oregano" ran a close second to garlic as a natural antibiotic.

However, none of my herb books say anything about this.  Anybody have

any idea what's going on with that?



Thanks in advance.



Ed Jones / Denver







==========

Subject: Re: Oil of Oregano?

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 22:00:12 -0400

--------

I know my nutritionist prescribed an oregano extract, among other things,

when I was fighting systemic candida.  It worked.



Marie



Ed Jones wrote in message <6h65b5$mks@examiner.concentric.net>...

>Howdy, folks.

>

>I heard an NPR news item a couple of weekends ago, saying that "oil of

>oregano" ran a close second to garlic as a natural antibiotic.

>However, none of my herb books say anything about this.  Anybody have

>any idea what's going on with that?

>

>Thanks in advance.

>

>Ed Jones / Denver

>









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Subject: Re: Oil of Oregano?

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 18:23:41 GMT

--------

Hello Ed,



Form an Aromatherapy view point, the oil is an antiseptic but I would

say there are other oils and herbs that would be more effective as  an

antibiotic.





On 16 Apr 1998 19:47:49 EDT, Jabbazzz@pop3.cris.com (Ed Jones) wrote:



>Howdy, folks.

>

>I heard an NPR news item a couple of weekends ago, saying that "oil of

>oregano" ran a close second to garlic as a natural antibiotic.

>However, none of my herb books say anything about this.  Anybody have

>any idea what's going on with that?

>

>Thanks in advance.

>

>Ed Jones / Denver

>



Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

            Remove the spam guard to reply

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html





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Subject: Great page on medicinal plants

From: eboka@aol.com (Eboka)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 01:32:59 GMT

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The history of medicinal plants



http://www.inform.umd.edu/PBIO/PBIO/sp98/lec29.html





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Subject: How to tell what "type" of gallstones I have??

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 01:38:51 GMT

--------





	Here's a new question in the gallbladder discussion, for

anyone who can help. I am currently doing a gallbladder flush and I

have passed *lots* of stones, just in the first day. How do you tell

what *type* of gallstones they are. Can you tell by examining them

with the naked eye? Color? Consistency? The reason being, I know there

are different methods of managing the different types of stones.

Obviously, if I know what type I'm dealing with, then the treatment

can be more specific.

	BTW, the flush is helping. My gallbladder had gotten to where

it was "sore" or "achy" all the time. Early this morning that was

gone. I kind of just had a sensation that it was "there". Kind of like

the pressure you feel when you are having a surgical procedure under a

local anesthetic. Where you can kind of feel them working, but it's

not painful or anything. But even that is gone now. It's not even

uncomfortable to press on the area. Thanks to all who sent me

different "recipes" for this procedure. They are all rather vile

concoctions, but the relief is worth it. :o)



GCM

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Subject: Re: How to tell what "type" of gallstones I have??

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 06:26:01 -0700

--------

jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:



>	Here's a new question in the gallbladder discussion, for

>anyone who can help. I am currently doing a gallbladder flush and I

>have passed *lots* of stones, just in the first day.

  How do you know?  If they have made it from your gallbladder

area to your bathroom bowl or a bedpan on the first day, you've

got a speed record for peristalsis.



> How do you tell what *type* of gallstones they are. Can you tell by examining them

>with the naked eye? 

  No, it takes a physical and chemical analysis.  Most are the

same color, being heavily stained by the bile pigments.

  I don't remember the procedure, but it depended on whether it

dissolved in ether (cholesterol stones will), fizzed when you put

acid on it (one of the rare lime-based ones), etc.  









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Subject: Re: How to tell what "type" of gallstones I have??

From: lweath9227@aol.com (LWeath9227)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 13:44:42 GMT

--------

In article <35385799.1506531@news.primenet.com>, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho

Nimh) writes:



>jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>

>>	Here's a new question in the gallbladder discussion, for

>>anyone who can help. I am currently doing a gallbladder flush and I

>>have passed *lots* of stones, just in the first day.

>  How do you know?  If they have made it from your gallbladder

>area to your bathroom bowl or a bedpan on the first day, you've

>got a speed record for peristalsis.

>

>> How do you tell what *type* of gallstones they are. Can you tell by

>examining them

>>with the naked eye? 

>  No, it takes a physical and chemical analysis.  Most are the

>same color, being heavily stained by the bile pigments.

>  I don't remember the procedure, but it depended on whether it

>dissolved in ether (cholesterol stones will), fizzed when you put

>acid on it (one of the rare lime-based ones), etc.  

>

>



There are differences between the two major kinds of stones.  Cholesterol is

most commonly a pale white, to light green color and is hard and rough. 

Pigment (or bilirubin) stones are black to brown and soft or greasy.  The size

of these are inversely proportional to their, so if you have a lot of these

"stones" and they are large, methinketh it be something else you are looking

at.  80% of gallstones in Western countries are cholesterol, and given that

only 10% or so of the population has gall stones, only around 2% of adults will

have bilirubin stones.



Lee Weathers





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Subject: Re: How to tell what "type" of gallstones I have??

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 00:27:40 GMT

--------

On Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:00:56 GMT, in misc.health.alternative you

wrote:



>

>Can you pass along exactly what method you used, so I can put it in my

>notebook just in case I ever get them?  High doses  of Choline are

>supposed to thin the bile so the bladder does not have to work so hard

>to expel the bile, and thus helps with the pain.

>

>Thanks.

>



There are lots of them out there, some more thorough than others. IOW,

they start right at the top with a detox of all the systems and then

move on to the flushes.

Two such regimens can be found at these sites:

<http://www.newhealth.net/schulze>

and

<http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/alt.htm>



I would recommend a complete system detox/flush regimen for the

long-term. But the one I used is just a general gallbladder flush.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

For 3 days, take nothing but apple juice. Any time you are hungry or

thirsty.

At the end of each day, just before going to bed, drink a mixture of:

1C apple juice

1C cold pressed extra virgin olive oil

1/2C lemon juice

Immediately after drinking this, go to bed and sleep on your right

side. The second day you should see stones passing in your stools.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I used the light variety of olive oil, because I couldn't fathom

drinking the other stuff. Also, if your juices are chilled, I would

recommend putting the olive oil in a separate glass, so the juices

won't chill the olive oil and cause it to thicken. It's really gross

if this happens. Put a straw in each glass and drink from them

simultaneously.



As for the poster who asked "how do you know you were passing

gallstones?" Well, *scientifically* speaking, I guess I don't. Sorry,

I didn't fish through the toilet and save any of them. I'd rather

never see them again.

But it's awfully peculiar that my localized gallbladder pain has

ceased, and I am now eating without any hint of gastric upset. Feel

free to draw your own conclusions. I'm not insisting that anyone

should agree with me. But I feel great!



Cheers,

GCM



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Subject: Re: How to tell what "type" of gallstones I have??

From: jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 23:27:40 GMT

--------

On 17 Apr 1998 06:26:01 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

wrote:



>jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

>

>>	Here's a new question in the gallbladder discussion, for

>>anyone who can help. I am currently doing a gallbladder flush and I

>>have passed *lots* of stones, just in the first day.

>

>  How do you know?  If they have made it from your gallbladder

>area to your bathroom bowl or a bedpan on the first day, you've

>got a speed record for peristalsis.



OK, I've gotta admit that I was about as clear as mud here, so I'll

explain in a little more detail.

This was a 3-day fast/flush regimen. I've RE'd the procedure to

someone else in this same thread, so I'm not going to repeat the whole

thing again.

On the *actual* day one, the only thing you have is apple juice.

Hungry? apple juice. Thirsty? apple juice. The only other thing I had

that day was a dose of epsom salts, on another poster's advice. I

won't do that again though. Very cleansing and gentle on the bowels,

but pure hell if you have even minor hemorrhoids. (I think you get the

picture.) Then, just before going to bed, you take the apple

juice/lemon juice/olive oil mixture. The morning after, which would've

actually been the *second* day, was what I was referring to. Because

it was the *first* day after taking the flush mixture. Have I got you

confused now?

So, in addition to a full day of an apple juice/laxative regimen,

which I believe cleared out a hot dog still lingering around from last

year's 4th of July BBQ, there was about a 9hr. time span in between

taking the flush mixture and my first bowel movement the next morning.

And that's all the grizzly details. Doesn't sound like much of a speed

record to me.

Sorry if I was unclear the first time.

My apologies,

GCM



P.S.-I like the pseudonym in your address, very clever.

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Subject: Re: How to tell what "type" of gallstones I have??

From: etroll@flash.netspam (Eric O. Troldahl)

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 10:49:35 GMT

--------

jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:



>there was about a 9hr. time span in between

>taking the flush mixture and my first bowel movement the next morning.

>And that's all the grizzly details. Doesn't sound like much of a speed

>record to me.



Well, for the people who get so little fiber that they have one movement a week,

that would be a speed record.  For me, who often passes part of dinner before

bedtime, it would be about right.  (I know that it is part of dinner when it's

the first time I've had corn, beets, or something else recognizable in over a

week)



Eric





Eric O. Troldahl, etroll@flash.net

(sorry for the munged headers, I hate spam)





Not a health practitioner of any kind!!!!!

Devotee of Dr. Andrew Weil's books:

_8 Weeks To Optimum Health_ and _Spontaneous Healing_



Lead Proponent, rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated





==========

Subject: Re: How to tell what "type" of gallstones I have??

From: Veacher <mcfarland1@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 19:21:47 -0700

--------

Are your doing a gallbladder flush or a liver flush?



It seems to me that the description is that of a liver flush and not a

gallbladder?



Thanks Jim







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Subject: oat straw

From: "Joseph Davide" <JERAMAY@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 17 Apr 1998 01:52:35 GMT

--------

Can you tell me anything about this herb.  Also I need something to boost

my immune system.  Echinacea seems like the wrong thing for spring

allergies.







==========

To: JERAMAY@worldnet.att.net

Subject: oat straw

From: knots@agate.net

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:10:49 -0600

--------

David Hoffmann writes: "Oats is one of the best remedies for 'feeding'

the nervous system, especially when under stress. It is considered a

specific in cases of nervous debility and exhaustion when associated

with depression. It may be used with most of the other nervines, both

relaxant sand stimulatory, to strengthen the whole of the nervous

system. It is also used in general debility. The high levels of

silicic acid in the straw will explain its' use as a remedy for skin

conditions, especially in external applications.



The above applies to oats in general. Oats can be taken in the form

of gruel or porridge (oatmeal). The milky oats can be tinctured. The

straw can be infused (2 tablespoons in one cup boiling water, steeped

for 15 minutes).



It is difficult to find good quality oatstraw in a health food store.

Their herbs usually hang around for a long time. The oatstraw should

have a fresh, slightly green tint coloring to it. A reputable mail

order herb supplier might be a better source for oatstraw.



For allergies, you might want to look into stinging nettle.



-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading





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Subject: Re: oat straw

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 18 Apr 1998 11:12:10 GMT

--------

Just a quick note on oatstraw-------- I belong to a wonderful herb group and

one of the women works at a farmers elevator and we all received a handful of

oats to plant! If you have a small area for planting this might be a good

idea.Maybe even could be planted in a pot then made into a tincture! Thanks for

the info from Hoffman.

         Marianne





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Subject: Re: Hove you heard of this herb mix?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 06:21:00 -0700

--------

"Flagship" <jriggs38@erols.com> wrote:



>    It is called N-R-JIZER

>

>made by Lifesource International out of N.Y.

>

>It is like some kind of pep tabs  I have gotten a flyer for a free 30 day

>bottle of the stuff but have never heard of it or the place who makes it.

  Rule one: If they won't tell yuo wnat's in it, don't take it.



It's probably just another one of the ephedra/guarana mixes iwth

a spiffy new name.  Nothing new, and produces useless energy of

the jittery kind.





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Subject: HOW TO GROW HERBS

From: hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 13:38:46 GMT

--------



     	I have asked the question before and got alot of responces. 

Unfortunately, I lost all the data and then some.  My four year old neice

decided to make a boat out of the disk it was on.  There for, I do not hae the

information any more.  COuld you please repost some othe information on how to

grow herbs for me please.  Thank you very much.  I am looking mostly for these

herbs--

Basil, Mint, Lavender, Dill, Sage.  But any Information on any herbs will do. 

thank you again.





Raven at     raven_d@hotmail.com   or at

                 Raven44DDD@aol.com





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Subject: Re: HOW TO GROW HERBS

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 15:53:55 GMT

--------

>Basil, Mint, Lavender, Dill, Sage.  But any Information on any herbs will do.

>

>thank you again.



Basil and Dill are annual plants you'll have to collect the seeds from them at

the end of the growing season.  To keep the basil growing longer pinch off the

flower heads *as soon as you see them*.



The rest are perennials and will come back every year.  Mint you can't kill if

you try. Be careful of it as it will take over any place it's planted in. 

Pretty much the same with the Sage.  Lavender you'll have to bring inside or

mulch very well if you live some place where the weather is very cold in the

winter.



All are sun lovers and will do very well in a nice sunny spot in the garden.



For more information on how to grow herbs use the KEYWORD button and type in

gardening.  The gardening board will pop up and one of the boards in there is

dedicated to herbs.

Beth

The Truth is Out There





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Subject: Blue-green algae

From: minya1@aol.com (Minya1)

Date: 17 Apr 1998 15:26:33 GMT

--------

Algae (spirulina) is relatively expensive (about x5, gram for gram) compared

with conventional sources of protein.  I've also read (in Tyler's "Honest

Herbal") that it has "limiting" amounts of some amino acids (methionine and

cystine);  this may mean that additional protein supplements would be necessary

to supply the lack.  Also, although it seems to be a good source of B-12, the

B-12 in spirolina seems to be mostly inert "analogues" of B-12 which have no

vitamin B-12 activity, at least in human beings.  I'm not sure about the other

claims for spirulina; I don't have diabetes, hepatitis, anemia, etc.,... or

thinning hair, for that matter. It tastes "interesting".  There's no toxicity

issue, as far as I'm aware.   Maybe it would be more economical compared to

protein sources in a strict vegetarian diet?...:-)





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Subject: Mercury Contamination

From: courtneyj@webtv.net (Courtney Pineau)

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:30:43 -0600

--------

Does anyone have any suggestions for ways to remove mercury from the

body?  I was exposed to a large amount of mercury about five years ago

when about twenty thermometers fell from a box in a cabinet and broke.

I called poison control and they advised me to vacuum it up ("no big

deal" they said ). The mercury was in a puddle on the floor...I can only

imagine how much I was exposed to.



Thanks, Courtney





==========

Subject: Re: Mercury Contamination

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:51:11 -0400

--------

You can get a prescription for Chemet.  It is an oral heavy metal chelator

that has a high degree of attraction for mercury.  People often use it to

clean up the body after having their amalgam fillings removed.  There are

several books available on the subject that also suggest taking sulfur based

amino acids and other nutrients while you are taking the Chemet,.



Courtney Pineau wrote in message

<6h7sj3$csa$1@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Does anyone have any suggestions for ways to remove mercury from the

body?  I was exposed to a large amount of mercury about five years ago

when about twenty thermometers fell from a box in a cabinet and broke.

I called poison control and they advised me to vacuum it up ("no big

deal" they said ). The mercury was in a puddle on the floor...I can only

imagine how much I was exposed to.



Thanks, Courtney









==========

Subject: Re: Mercury Contamination

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:28:00 GMT

--------

courtneyj@webtv.net (Courtney Pineau) wrote:



>Does anyone have any suggestions for ways to remove mercury from the

>body?  I was exposed to a large amount of mercury about five years ago



As long as there has not been exposure to any since, I would guess

that it is gone from the body.  Without constant ingestion or

absorption, most toxins will be ejected completely with time, so

I would not worry about exposure 5 years ago unless there is

another source (like fillings) causing constant ingestion.



That said, selenium and magnesium are probably the two minerals which

help the most.  Selenium is included at 70-200mcg in good multivits

and is also in garlic, astragalus, ginseng.  I think magnesium should

be supplemented, but is also in whole grains, seeds, and nuts.

Alpha lipoic acid may also help a bit, as might calcium and mineral

rich herbs like nettles, alfalfa, shavegrass, etc.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: Mercury Contamination

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 18 Apr 1998 04:43:00 -0700

--------

courtneyj@webtv.net (Courtney Pineau) wrote:



>Does anyone have any suggestions for ways to remove mercury from the

>body?  I was exposed to a large amount of mercury about five years ago

>when about twenty thermometers fell from a box in a cabinet and broke.

>I called poison control and they advised me to vacuum it up ("no big

>deal" they said ). The mercury was in a puddle on the floor...I can only

>imagine how much I was exposed to.



  Check with your local public health department.  There are

tests to determine how much mercury remains in your body. If it

was a one-time accident, and you didn't pick it up, play with it,

and eat it, you might have had a very small exposure.  It's not

very volatile at room temperature.







==========

Subject: Need Recommendation

From: jrowland@sprynet.com

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 12:04:47 -0600

--------

Have been experiencing burning in lower legs due to irritation of a

nerve in my lower back. Dr. had me try Methylprednisolone, from

what I'm told type of a steriod. Came in a pack of 21. Took 6 pills

first day, 5 the second,4 the third days etc. I felt good for about

6 week after that but now the burning is back. Dr. said could not give

another dosage for about another 6 weeks. Anyone know of a alternative

medicine ie. herbs etc that might provide some relief as the above

medicine did.

Thanks



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Subject: Re: Need Recommendation

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 17 Apr 98 23:55:12 GMT

--------

jrowland@sprynet.com <jrowland@sprynet.com> wrote:

>Have been experiencing burning in lower legs due to irritation of a

>nerve in my lower back. Dr. had me try Methylprednisolone, from



Chiropractics might work better than herbs on that.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: Need Recommendation

From: quinaryt@aol.com (QuinaryT)

Date: 24 Apr 1998 20:07:59 GMT

--------

I have a similar situation, only the burning is in my arms and it stems from my

neck - the thing that's helped me most so far has been acupuncture - i noticed

a difference after the first visit and my pain has been almost non-existent

since the second visit.



<<Have been experiencing burning in lower legs due to irritation of a

nerve in my lower back. Dr. had me try Methylprednisolone, from

what I'm told type of a steriod. Came in a pack of 21. Took 6 pills

first day, 5 the second,4 the third days etc. I felt good for about

6 week after that but now the burning is back. Dr. said could not give

another dosage for about another 6 weeks. Anyone know of a alternative

medicine ie. herbs etc that might provide some relief as the above

medicine did.

Thanks







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Subject: What is liquid needle?

From: "Hock" <sheepdog@pacbell.net>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:17:22 -0700

--------

My nephew is taking liquid needle to help his low blood count.

Been trying to find info on it but can not.

Thanks

Hock









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Subject: Something about " Mg "

From: unixon_31@hotmail.com

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:33:48 -0700

--------

Is the measurement of strength and dosage in terms of 450 mg by a herbal

tablet company compatible to another company's 450 mg? Or do these 450

mgs mean differently across different companies' products?





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Subject: Re: Something about " Mg "

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 17 Apr 1998 16:28:34 GMT

--------

mg stands for milligram, and it should be the same wherever!



unixon_31@hotmail.com wrote in article <3537D8CC.33D4@hotmail.com>...

> Is the measurement of strength and dosage in terms of 450 mg by a herbal

> tablet company compatible to another company's 450 mg? Or do these 450

> mgs mean differently across different companies' products?

> 





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Subject: Re: Something about " Mg "

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 17 Apr 1998 22:05:11 GMT

--------

But then again..450mg is just the weight of the dose, I'm not sure about

the strength of the dose.  I guess you can have 450mg's of a weaker dose of

herb cant you.  I don't know if these things are regulated.

Stacey <minew@hotmail.com> wrote in article

<01bd6a9a$5ea4ac00$8fbd1acb@aljan.aljan.com.au>...

> mg stands for milligram, and it should be the same wherever!

> 

> unixon_31@hotmail.com wrote in article <3537D8CC.33D4@hotmail.com>...

> > Is the measurement of strength and dosage in terms of 450 mg by a

herbal

> > tablet company compatible to another company's 450 mg? Or do these 450

> > mgs mean differently across different companies' products?

> > 

> 





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Subject: Re: Something about " Mg "

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 18 Apr 1998 04:08:22 GMT

--------

unixon_31@hotmail.com wrote:

:Is the measurement of strength and dosage in terms of 450 mg by a herbal

:tablet company compatible to another company's 450 mg? Or do these 450

:mgs mean differently across different companies' products?



If the substance is a non-standardized herb, strength may vary while the

milligramage is the same.  I've noticed in some brands that buying between

batches (an identical product 6 months later) can produce different strengths.



Most of the reputable companies ensure that strengths between batches of

non-standardized herbs remains roughly the same.  Solaray and Nature's Way

seem to be quite good at this, in my experience. Nex





    ------------------------------------------------------------------

    "Ah, if in this world there were no such thing as cherry blossoms,

        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

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Subject: Re: Something about " Mg "

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:30:23 GMT

--------

unixon_31@hotmail.com wrote:



>Is the measurement of strength and dosage in terms of 450 mg by a herbal

>tablet company compatible to another company's 450 mg?



Most of the time the amount stated is the content of the desired

mineral.  A few supplements, though, will state the amount of 

magnesium oxide (e.g.) and make no mention of the amount

of actual magnesium (though, of course, it can be computed).



turf







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Subject: LIGNAN from flexseed

From: unixon_31@hotmail.com

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 16:25:21 -0700

--------

Lignan from flexseed lowers estrogen in woman by binding to estrogen

receptor and triggering hormone binding globulin that further reduces

serum estrogen.I wonder if there is a male equilavance of Lignan that

binds to testosterone receptor sites?





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Subject: Re: LIGNAN from flexseed

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 21:15:28 -0400

--------

>Aquarius1922@webtv.net wrote in article

><6h9fit$9sa$1@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

>> Lignan leaves a residule (foreign substance) in the body.. Look to the

>> molecular structure - you will find a bad molecule, one that is not a

>> body substance.

>>



Naw, it just goes right on through.  Anyway, lignans (a class of compounds,

not a single substance) are found to some extent in common vegetable foods.



-Rich











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Subject: How can I remove scar tissue from lung after chemo?

From: feoiii@home.com

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 19:31:37 -0500

--------

I know that we've beaten the odds so far, but after fighting so hard for

my life, I find myself getting greedy and wanting it all back. dx 7/97

Broncholio Aveolar Carcinoma (non-smoker's lung cancer) Stage IV.  After

six months of taxotere/cisplatin left lung appeared

clear and right lung almost clear.  Slight reoccurance 4 weeks ago, this

time navalbine/carboplatin.  I know/feel we will be successful again. 

So what's my question?  How do I get rid of the scar tissue that is

taking up valuable breathing space in my lungs?  Is it possible? I'm 33

and in excellent health except for the cancer.





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Subject: Re: How can I remove scar tissue from lung after chemo?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 01:21:31 GMT

--------



>So what's my question?  How do I get rid of the scar tissue that is

>taking up valuable breathing space in my lungs?  



You might be able to prevent it from forming a bit  as well

as help healing by taking

antioxidants like CoQ10, cat's claw, turmeric, vitamin E,

etc.  See my web page for an adjunct conventional cancer

treatment, in the maladies section.



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



turf







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Subject: Re: How can I remove scar tissue from lung after chemo?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 18 Apr 1998 05:13:00 -0700

--------

feoiii@home.com wrote:



>How do I get rid of the scar tissue that is

>taking up valuable breathing space in my lungs?  Is it possible?



You can't.  It will shrink over time, and may partially

disappear, but it's the tissue your body naturally uses to repair

damage.

  Don't worry about a bit of scar tissue - you have a lot of

excess capacity in your lungs, and there are excellent local

athletes with lungs heavily scarred from valley fever.





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Subject: ST. JOHN"S WORT-PHOTOTOXICITY

From: "Paul Geary" <carnac@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:36:16 -0400

--------



,

    Anybody out there taking SJW notice problems with the sun?

specifically the phototoxicity? I have been taking it for about 4-5 months

now, 300mg. /day. I recently went to the tropics and it was torture! My

hands and feet hurt like I had broken glass on them. Putting my hands in my

jean pockets was excruciating. I wore heavy sunscreen. I was only there for

a week. After I returned, about a week and a half, it finally settled down.

Now it is Spring here in New England- which is not a strong sun. I was

gardening last weekend and my hands are all painful again- especially if I

run cold water on them. I am planning to stop taking it due to  this-because

I am planning to be out in the sun  a lot this summer sailing- which is

unfortunate because it works just fine for me. By the way, there is a book

out that tells a lot about the clinical trials and ways it is made called

"Hypericin and Depression". From that book I got the number of a mail order

company where it is stated to be pharmacy grade consistently and for the

least amount of $. Let me know if you want that number. Thanks.   Anne









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Subject: Re: ST. JOHN"S WORT-PHOTOTOXICITY

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 10:30:27 +0100

--------

Paul Geary wrote:

> 

> ,

>     Anybody out there taking SJW notice problems with the sun?

> specifically the phototoxicity? I have been taking it for about 4-5 months

> now, 300mg. /day. I recently went to the tropics and it was torture! My

> hands and feet hurt like I had broken glass on them. Putting my hands in my

> jean pockets was excruciating. I wore heavy sunscreen. I was only there for

> a week. After I returned, about a week and a half, it finally settled down.

> Now it is Spring here in New England- which is not a strong sun. I was

> gardening last weekend and my hands are all painful again- especially if I

> run cold water on them. I am planning to stop taking it due to  this-because

> I am planning to be out in the sun  a lot this summer sailing- which is

> unfortunate because it works just fine for me. By the way, there is a book

> out that tells a lot about the clinical trials and ways it is made called

> "Hypericin and Depression". From that book I got the number of a mail order

> company where it is stated to be pharmacy grade consistently and for the

> least amount of $. Let me know if you want that number. Thanks.   Anne





----------



Hi Anne,



Sounds dramatic.... I'd heard of the problem but never 'first hand'.



This comes from some SJW product information from one of the large

German herbal extract producers  ('Finzelberg' if anyone's interested):



"Phototoxic effects are recognized to occur in light coloured cattle

after substantial feeding of fresh SJW (12).  Although the

therapeutically applied dosages are far below these critical quantities

the threshold dose shoing first signs of photosensitization was

investigated in humans.  According to these tests it is recommended not

to exceed a daily dose of 1800mg of hypericum extract in antidepressive

therapy (41).



in case of overdose the patient should be strictly protected from

light."



In case you want to follow the references:



12	ESCOP:  Monograph SJW.  European Scientific Cooperative for

Phytomedicines.  The Netherlands.  Meppel 1996.



41 Roots et al:  Evaluation of photosensitization of the skin upon

single and multiple dose intake of Hypericum extract.  Intl Congress on

Phytomedicine Munich 1996 Phytomedicine Suppl. 1:108 (1996)





Regs,



Nick



and, like I said, sod off Aquarius.





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Subject: Re: ST. JOHN"S WORT-PHOTOTOXICITY

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 18 Apr 1998 05:16:00 -0700

--------

"Paul Geary" <carnac@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

>    Anybody out there taking SJW notice problems with the sun?

>specifically the phototoxicity? I have been taking it for about 4-5 months

>now, 300mg. /day.

  That's not an excessive dose. What else are you taking?  The

symptoms you describe aren't what I would expect from

photoxicity.  They are too localized, for one, and in the wrong

spots. 









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Subject: Re: ST. JOHN"S WORT-PHOTOTOXICITY

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 18 Apr 1998 12:20:32 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes

>If the St. John's Wort was pure, the problem is not with the St. John's

>Wort, but may be what toxicity may be set off in your bodythat you are

>consuming.  Glassy - relates to diabetes-  you worry me...



... me too.  We spend a lot of time in the Caribbean and have never had a

problem with SJW photosensitivity.  Speaking of the tropics, there is a strange

disorder one can pick up from eating fish that causes something like what you

describe here.  I can't remember how to spell it, but it's something like

ciquatoxin or ciquaterre ... several friends of mine have gotten it in the

Caribbean.  You become extremely, painfully sensitive to things like cold water

on your hands.  Ask a tropical disease expert or a gastroenterologist.







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Subject: Re: ST. JOHN"S WORT-PHOTOTOXICITY

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 18 Apr 1998 12:32:15 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes

> there is a strange

>disorder one can pick up from eating fish 



Sorry, I didn't mean disorder ... I meant disease.  I'm not sure if it's

bacterial or viral ...





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Subject: Re: ST. JOHN"S WORT-PHOTOTOXICITY

From: pmccabe770@aol.com (PMccabe770)

Date: 22 Apr 1998 01:24:37 GMT

--------

Hi Paul.....I'm Peter.....I've been taking St. John's Wort for about four

months...and I have DEFINITELY noticed a tremendous hypersensitivity to the

sun.....I've also had some problems with rashes......I went to Kaiser Hospital

and they told me to ease up on it and watch the results.......and THEY WERE

RIGHT!...I suppose it just depends on each individual....but wow that sun in

the Tropics is a killer...

Good Luck!





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Subject: Re: ST. JOHN"S WORT-PHOTOTOXICITY

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 22 Apr 1998 11:35:55 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes

>Hi Paul.....I'm Peter.....I've been taking St. John's Wort for about four

>months...and I have DEFINITELY noticed a tremendous hypersensitivity to the

>sun.....I've also had some problems with rashes......I went to Kaiser

>Hospital

>and they told me to ease up on it and watch the results.......and THEY WERE

>RIGHT!...I suppose it just depends on each individual....but wow that sun in

>the Tropics is a killer...

>Good Luck!



Peter, were you taking any other medication or do you have another other

medical conditions that would increase your photosensitivity ??  TIA, BB2





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Subject: Re: ST. JOHN"S WORT-PHOTOTOXICITY

From: Leah Gadzikowski <lrgadz01@ulkyvm.louisville.edu>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 17:05:08 -0400

--------

I think it's interesting that St. John's Wort would cause

photosensitivity. I'm taking a medication for clinical depression.

Actually, I'm on my second perscription in two years and they also

caused photosensitivity. So I guess I'm wondering if there are common

elements in anti-depressents, whether synthetic or natural that would

effect your mood and your reaction to the sun.  Just something to

ponder.



Leah



PMccabe770 wrote:

> 

> Hi Paul.....I'm Peter.....I've been taking St. John's Wort for about four

> months...and I have DEFINITELY noticed a tremendous hypersensitivity to the

> sun.....I've also had some problems with rashes......I went to Kaiser Hospital

> and they told me to ease up on it and watch the results.......and THEY WERE

> RIGHT!...I suppose it just depends on each individual....but wow that sun in

> the Tropics is a killer...

> Good Luck!





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Subject: Alcoholism

From: "John Miller" <John@Miller.mail.org>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 22:29:52 -0500

--------

Can any one recommend a herb(s) to help curb the carving for alcohol.

Please let me know.

John









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Subject: Re: Alcoholism

From: "Fan Fair" <Nospam@thisplace.net>

Date: 18 Apr 1998 08:09:50 GMT

--------

AA has done wonders for people who crave alcohol.  Many give it up for

life. Please check out a local AA group in your area.

Carol



John Miller <John@Miller.mail.org> wrote in article

<6h96hk$di9$1@news4.wt.net>...

> Can any one recommend a herb(s) to help curb the carving for alcohol.

> Please let me know.

> John

> 





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Subject: Re: Alcoholism

From: "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com>

Date: 18 Apr 1998 10:01:52 GMT

--------

I was just wondering, is there any particular alcohol that you crave?  I

remember reading something about people with food allergies craving alcohol

with that particular food in it.  Perhaps Don Wiss could tell you more

about this..Yoohoo..Don are you out there?? hehe



My dad uses honey, or sucks on some candy to curb his cravings.



Best of Luck to you



Stacey



Fan Fair <Nospam@thisplace.net> wrote in article

<01bd6aa1$a0450a40$6b7041cf@default>...

> AA has done wonders for people who crave alcohol.  Many give it up for

> life. Please check out a local AA group in your area.

> Carol

> 

> John Miller <John@Miller.mail.org> wrote in article

> <6h96hk$di9$1@news4.wt.net>...

> > Can any one recommend a herb(s) to help curb the carving for alcohol.

> > Please let me know.

> > John

> > 

> 





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Subject: Re: Alcoholism

From: "Karen  Shelton" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 06:20:27 -0500

--------

Kudzu root has been used for alcoholism, also skullcap will help relax you

and may help cravings. Need Kudzu? Come to the south and help yourself, we

have plenty and it is everywhere! I found that after taking St. Johnswort, I

don't have much desire for any alcohol. But I did not drink on a regular

basis, so don't know how it will help you. But St. Johnswort is known to

help cravings of all kinds.

Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Online Herbal

www.altnature.com











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Subject: Re: Alcoholism

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 09:52:12 -0500

--------

Detoxification therapy under the supervision of a professional. Needs to be a fasting program, cleanse and heal all the organs, purify the blood (addictions are in the blood), and maintain blood sugar levels. I would also add in Stress relieving herbs in case of DT's. 

A single herb does not normally do the trick--it is a combination of herbs which together complementing and enhancing each other to help heal all body systems. Quassia is a wonderful remedy to destroy the appetite for strong drink, especially used in conjunction with other blood purifying herbs.



-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



John Miller wrote in message <6h96hk$di9$1@news4.wt.net>...

>Can any one recommend a herb(s) to help curb the carving for alcohol.

>Please let me know.

>John

>

>







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Subject: Re: Alcoholism

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 16:53:22 -0400

--------

Kudzu.



John Miller wrote in message <6h96hk$di9$1@news4.wt.net>...

>Can any one recommend a herb(s) to help curb the carving for alcohol.

>Please let me know.

>John

>

>









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Subject: Re: Alcoholism

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:40:18 -0400

--------

Kudzu root is reputed to help curb alcohol cravings, and is available in a

standardized extract in capsules (can't remember the seller right off hand).



-Rich



John Miller wrote in message <6h96hk$di9$1@news4.wt.net>...

>Can any one recommend a herb(s) to help curb the carving for alcohol.

>Please let me know.

>John

>

>









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Subject: Re:  Antibiotics vs Resistant Bacteria

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 00:16:07 -0400

--------

I've been thinking a lot about this, and I still go with my initial

statement that the bacteria do not develop any appreciable resistance to

herbs.  I understand that most drugs were derived from herbs, but that is

just the problem.  They were "derived" and do not contain the total plant

constituents.  Plants vary in actual chemical makeup from season to season,

and area to area (unlike the standardized extracts popular today).  This

variableness is what I think makes it darn near impossible for the little

critters to mutate in defense to.









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Subject: Re: Lobelia, anyone?

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 04:30:18 GMT

--------

lobelia has been used for stopping smoking tho I don't know hos it interects

with the patch.



For help quitting your nicotine addiction try www.rational.org/recovery.









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Subject: Re: Lobelia, anyone?

From: "Karen  Shelton" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 06:14:37 -0500

--------

Lobelia can be toxic, even deadly when used in excess!

When I first started to wildcraft herbs, I made a big glass of lobelia tea,

having mistaken it for skullcap. Well, lobelia is an emetic, and guess what

happened to my supper! Now only use minute doses of lobelia. BTW Skullcap

may help nicotine cravings. Lobelia can be smoked, but tea not a good idea.

Be sure and research this herb well before using. Many herbs which are

useful in small doses may be toxic when overused!

Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Online Herbal

www.altnature.com











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Subject: Re: Lobelia, anyone?

From: ks1moeder@aol.com (Ks1moeder)

Date: 19 Apr 1998 09:22:23 GMT

--------

In article <35388b16.0@news.isdn.net>, "Karen  Shelton" <nature@ficom.net>

writes:



>Lobelia can be toxic, even deadly when used in excess!

>When I first started to wildcraft herbs, I made a big glass of lobelia tea,

>having mistaken it for skullcap. Well, lobelia is an emetic, and guess what

>happened to my supper! Now only use minute doses of lobelia. BTW Skullcap

>may help nicotine cravings. Lobelia can be smoked, but tea not a good idea.

>Be sure and research this herb well before using. Many herbs which are

>useful in small doses may be toxic when overused!

>Karen Shelton

>Alternative Nature Online Herbal

>www.altnature.com



I know that's right...  I had gotten a "Relaxing  Tea" blend from a herbal shop

when I 

first started out drinking herbal teas...  Oh I got sooooo sick....  First of

all I made it as strong as I make my lipton tea.... WRONG but also had a

combination of Lobelia, Skullcap and Valerian Root with some other milder

ingredients....  Woke me up real fast to always know what is in any herbal

concoction you buy...





Starfire Silverdawn





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Subject: Re: Lobelia, anyone?

From: "Coyote_pub" <coyote_pub@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:51:46 -0600

--------

Well This may be a silly question, What is Lobelia?  Where does it grow and

what parts are used.  In my "herbal" life I don't recall coming across it.

In fact this is the first time I've been reading about it here.  Well maybe

I've been asleep at the puter!  Thanks in advance!

Tom



Karen Shelton wrote in message <35388b16.0@news.isdn.net>...

(snip)









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Subject: Help Help Help!!!

From: PolishedShame <lovesfool@linkport.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:46:11 -0700

--------

ello-



I've heard there are ways you can induce a miscarriage with herbs and I 

was curious if anyone knew how. I strongly doubt I'm preggers and the 

odds are slim to none but just in case I'd like to know. I'm kinda 

anti-abortion so this is hypocritical of me but there is no way at 16 

that I want a child and the whole almost having sex with my ex thing was 

the result of being severely depressed and lonely so you can see where 

that went. Thanks a bunch from me and my overly paranoid self!



Yes, you too can have sex with my fries!

-PolishedShame





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Subject: Re: Help Help Help!!!

From: Grizabella@jelliclecat.com (bella)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 11:03:45 GMT

--------

>

>I've heard there are ways you can induce a miscarriage with herbs and I 

>was curious if anyone knew how. I strongly doubt I'm preggers and the 

>odds are slim to none but just in case I'd like to know. I'm kinda 

>anti-abortion so this is hypocritical of me but there is no way at 16 

>that I want a child and the whole almost having sex with my ex thing was 

>the result of being severely depressed and lonely so you can see where 

>that went. Thanks a bunch from me and my overly paranoid self!



	Egads....okay....first off, I'll save you my "if you're gonna

have sex you need to be responsible" rant.  Honestly, there are too

many diseases out there to be having unprotected sex.

	Indeed there are herbs out there, but I'm sorry, at 16, I

won't recommend them to you.  They can be VERY dangerous, causing

hemmoraging and death.  

	How late is your period?!  If you're one day overdue you can

go to any drugstore and get a home pregnancy test.  Sometimes when we

worry that we may be pregnant the stress can cause our periods to be

late (making us even more stressed).  If the test is positive you

really need to talk with someone to weigh your options, preferably a

parent.  

	If talking with mom and dad is out of the question please call

a family planning clinic (i.e. Planned Parenthood) near you where you

can speak with someone.  It's dangerous and risky to take matters into

your own hands.  

	My thoughts are with you my friend.......

bright blessings

bella 

>

>Yes, you too can have sex with my fries!

>-PolishedShame



-=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=- -=+=-

Far away there in the sunshine are my highest aspirations. 

I may not reach them, but I can look up and see their beauty,

 believe in them, and try to follow where they lead."

-- Louisa May Alcott





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Subject: Re: Help Help Help!!!

From: "Karen  Shelton" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 06:27:35 -0500

--------

Do not try to induce abortion using herbs. Yes, you might kill the baby. But

you might just harm it and have to live with the consequences forever, or

you could kill yourself in the process. So most likely you will end up in ER

anyway.

See your local health department and talk to them, they are confidential and

won't tell your parents. Also please consider that you have to live with

your decision the rest of your life, whatever you do.

What are you doing having unprotected sex anyway? Just because you are 16

doesn't make you safe from AIDS, herpes, or hepatitis; all increasing

dangers of unprotected sex.

Please, from now on, take better precautions!

Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Online Herbal

www.altnature.com











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Subject: Wheatgrass - What's the big deal

From: jude@NoSpamBennett.com (Judith )

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 15:55:16 GMT

--------

So, I tried a glass of wheat grass juice today, and god, it tasted

horrible.  What's the big deal about wheat grass juice, anything that

tastes that bad must be good for you?  Has there ever been any real

research showing that it has any particular health benefits?



Judith





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Subject: Re: Wheatgrass - What's the big deal

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:56:47 -0400

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    Aquarius1922@webtv.net wrote in message

<6hc452$f9p$1@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

    There are no known health benefits to Wheat grass...  In testing Wheat

    for nutrition - what it has in it, and what we assimilate from it is -

    NIL,  The flour from Wheat is a binder flour, a necessary flour to use

    with other flours because they are too soft to be used alone.



    Press a blue one for other research:



    "No benefits"?  "Binder flour"?  "Too soft"?  What in the world are you

talking about, and where is the research to back it up?  If you mean that

the gluten in wheat flour is used in conjunction with other grain flours to

give them the cohesion necessary to hold gas bubbles, allowing a greater

loft and different texture, you may be correct.  But wheat germ and wheat

bran are both parts of the wheat grain, and both have uses far more

important than binding other flours.  And other grains have been and are

used without wheat flour to "bind" them.

    -Rich











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Subject: Re: Wheatgrass - What's the big deal

From: Ethan Schroeder <ethan@missoula.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:52:06 +0000

--------

I had myself a shot of the nasty stuff.  It tasted like grass clippings

(which can be expected) and it almost made me sick.  Initially trying

it, I was fine.  A few hours later, however, I was extremely naucious

and felt like crap.  I was told that shot of the juice was equivalent to



2.5 lbs. of vegetables.  I really doubt this.











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Subject: Re: Wheatgrass - What's the big deal

From: volare@wilde.oit.umass.edu (Kedi)

Date: 23 Apr 1998 01:19:37 -0500

--------

Ethan Schroeder (ethan@missoula.com) said something like....

: I had myself a shot of the nasty stuff.  It tasted like grass clippings

: (which can be expected) and it almost made me sick.  Initially trying

: it, I was fine.  A few hours later, however, I was extremely naucious

: and felt like crap. 



	Eyah. I got talked into a shot of the stuff and proceeded to be 

violently sick for the next four hours. In public no less, 20 miles from 

home, too sick to even drive. So I hung over the back fence of the juice 

bar that poisoned me in the first place, which overlooked some railroad 

tracks and a river, and retched the wheatgrass, everything else in my 

tummy, and then some stuff I didn't know I had. Never again.  Someone 

tried to tell me that that was the wheatgrass's purifying effect on all 

the toxins in my system and gee, i must have been really toxic to get 

such a bad reaction, but next time won't be as bad..No thanks, no next 

time for me. This was in Brattleboro VT by the way, and I had been 

FASTING for two days prior to the wheatgrass. I got a cleansing, all 

right, just not quite the way I wanted to. Bleh.



						-J-







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Subject: raw herbal materials

From: "Naum Burman" <NickB1@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 18 Apr 1998 19:05:11 GMT

--------

     We are trying to find information about where we can get different raw

herbs (for example plants, powders, etc. ...) to buy.  Maybe you can help

us by sending us information--whom we should contact with, their name(s),

their address, email address and/or tel and fax numbers.

     Also we are looking for shows and/or fair about herbs and

pharmaceutical equipment (machines for making capsules and softgels).

     Thank you for your kind attention.  Your help is greatly appreciated. 

We are awaiting your response as soon as possible with warm regards.       

                                                           

                                                                     Tanya

Burman







==========

To: Naum Burman <NickB1@worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: raw herbal materials

From: rickh@worldaccessnet.com

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 17:36:14 -0700

--------

A good mail order source for herbs of all sorts, as powders and/or cut &

sifted, etc., and in 1,  4,  8 and 16 oz quantities, is Lynn's Herb Shop, 238

SE 2nd, Hillsboro OR 97123.  Her phone number is (503) 693-3540.  She also has

a web site: http://www.aracnet.com/~lhs/index.htm.  I've been getting all my

herbs from her for several years now -- highly recommended.







==========

Subject: Re: raw herbal materials

From: "Paul A. Howard" <dharamdev@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:40:32 -0500

--------

I wildcraft my many  herbs local to Western/Central New York, and prepare

tinctures, salves, etc.   Which herbs are you looking for?



- Paul Howard







Naum Burman wrote in message <6hath7$q3o@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>     We are trying to find information about where we can get different raw

>herbs (for example plants, powders, etc. ...) to buy.  Maybe you can help



>  Tanya

>Burman

>









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Subject: Wild Yam

From: carole.raymond@bigfoot.com (Carole Raymond)

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:47:25 GMT

--------

I tried Wild Yam cream last month for PMS symptoms, and when I started

having break-through bleeding it caused me to wonder if this cream

could in any way affect the effectiveness of birth control pills.



Any opinions?



Thanks.



carole.raymond@bigfoot.com





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Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: PeasantPeddler@yahoo.com (Samantha L Heart)

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 15:28:27 GMT

--------

On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:47:25 GMT, carole.raymond@bigfoot.com (Carole

Raymond) wrote:



>I tried Wild Yam cream last month for PMS symptoms, and when I started

>having break-through bleeding it caused me to wonder if this cream

>could in any way affect the effectiveness of birth control pills.

>

>Any opinions?



There is a booklet titled " Wild Yam  Birth control without Fear" By

Willa Shaffer - Woodland Books

In it she says that that wild yam can be used as birth control.  Read

the booklet for some interesting info. about it.

Good luck to you.

Wassail, 

Samantha

>Thanks.

>

>carole.raymond@bigfoot.com







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Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 08:02:45 -0500

--------

There is a culture of people (Indians) who can use Wild Yam as a contraceptive. The reason they can do this is because the foods they eat have no synthetic hormones in them. We cannot do this, unless we are vegetarian and eat organic foods only. Using it as a contraceptive is true for this culture of people. They ate foods that did not contain artificial estrogens. Our foods are loaded with synthetic hormones that make us resistant to the effects of phytoprogesterone such as Wild Yam Root. Therefore, we can't use Wild Yam as an effective birth control unless we are strictly vegetarian and eat only organic foods. 

Using Wild Yam has been found to bring progesterone and estrogen into balance. It is not strong enough in its natural form to create progesterone dominance. You must have progesterone dominance to inhibit ovulation. The cream should not affect your birth control pills.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Samantha L Heart wrote in message <6hd520$ad6@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...

>On Sat, 18 Apr 1998 19:47:25 GMT, carole.raymond@bigfoot.com (Carole

>Raymond) wrote:

>

>>I tried Wild Yam cream last month for PMS symptoms, and when I started

>>having break-through bleeding it caused me to wonder if this cream

>>could in any way affect the effectiveness of birth control pills.

>>

>>Any opinions?

>

>There is a booklet titled " Wild Yam  Birth control without Fear" By

>Willa Shaffer - Woodland Books

>In it she says that that wild yam can be used as birth control.  Read

>the booklet for some interesting info. about it.

>Good luck to you.

>Wassail, 

>Samantha

>>Thanks.

>>

>>carole.raymond@bigfoot.com

>







==========

Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:49:52 -0400

--------

slade or kay henson wrote in message <6hfh1q$brt$1@news3.alpha.net>...

There is a culture of people (Indians) who can use Wild Yam as a

contraceptive. The reason they can do this is because the foods they eat

have no synthetic hormones in them. We cannot do this, unless we are

vegetarian and eat organic foods only. Using it as a contraceptive is true

for this culture of people. They ate foods that did not contain artificial

estrogens. Our foods are loaded with synthetic hormones that make us

resistant to the effects of phytoprogesterone such as Wild Yam Root.

Therefore, we can't use Wild Yam as an effective birth control unless we are

strictly vegetarian and eat only organic foods.

Using Wild Yam has been found to bring progesterone and estrogen into

balance. It is not strong enough in its natural form to create progesterone

dominance. You must have progesterone dominance to inhibit ovulation. The

cream should not affect your birth control pills.



Kay





Umm...interesting assertion.  You really get pretty specific regarding the

balancing of estrogen and progesterone, etc., so I assume there are

references for the labrotory tests which undoubtedly showed this effect

(since there is no other way to quantify such a phenomenon)?  And which

Indians, where?



-Rich











==========

Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:11:51 -0500

--------

Indians in North America used it for birth control for hundreds of years. My information comes from a midwife friend of mine who is an Indian from the Creek tribe--I may not have spelled Creek correctly, but that is how it is pronounced. Her tribe has used it. She explained it to me awhile back. I also asked my ND if Wild Yam affects birth control and she said no.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



{ wrote in message <01bd6dc6$6a44fc20$7e7041cf@default>...

>> Umm...interesting assertion.  You really get pretty specific regarding

>the

>> balancing of estrogen and progesterone, etc., so I assume there are

>> references for the labrotory tests which undoubtedly showed this effect

>> (since there is no other way to quantify such a phenomenon)?  And which

>> Indians, where?

>> 

>> -Rich









==========

Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:38:13 -0500

--------



RE: the use of wild yam for birth control by the Creeks...



> >> Umm...interesting assertion.  You really get pretty specific regarding

> >the

> >> balancing of estrogen and progesterone, etc., so I assume there are

> >> references for the labrotory tests which undoubtedly showed this effect

> >> (since there is no other way to quantify such a phenomenon)?  And which

> >> Indians, where?

> >> 

> >> -Rich

> 



Rich - 



There have been many herbals, etc used by North American Indian tribes 

that have been proven effective by "modern science"...they quantified 

such phenomenon by the oldest method known to science - trail and 

observation over a period of time. Test (laboratory 

or otherwise) are unprovable because you can't prove the negative. It 

would be impossible to prove how many Creeks were NOT born because the 

women used wild yam.



AND - Creeks were in eastern Alabama, southwest Georgia and northwest 

Florida - moved to central Oklahoma and souther Alabama. 



Cissy







==========

Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:59:17 -0400

--------

Cissy . Thorpe wrote in message ...

>There have been many herbals, etc used by North American Indian tribes

>that have been proven effective by "modern science"...they quantified

>such phenomenon by the oldest method known to science - trail and

>observation over a period of time. Test (laboratory

>or otherwise) are unprovable because you can't prove the negative. It

>would be impossible to prove how many Creeks were NOT born because the

>women used wild yam.





You are all avoiding my question.  I asked how the poster could make a

statement that: "Using Wild Yam has been found to bring progesterone and

estrogen into balance".  I have still seen nothing which indicates any

research into such an effect, which could ONLY be demonstrated (and rather

easily, I would think) by laboratory tests within the context of a

double-blind study.  And I'm relatively certain that the Indians did not

conduct any double-blind studies, and even surer they had no means to assay

blood hormone levels.  And, as you say, it would indeed be impossible to

prove how many Creeks were not born because of wild yam root consumption.  I

mean, if you took the root and didn't conceive, does that mean it was

because of the root?  There's just no way to make that assertion, especially

because of the absence of written records among the American natives.



-Rich











==========

Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: intikilla@aol.com (Intikilla)

Date: 22 Apr 1998 23:53:56 GMT

--------

  I think that the fact that Mexican Wild Yam is used as the basis for Birth

Controll Pills is where this Idea is coming from. Mexican Wild yam is known to

contain a progesterone substance-one that isn't easily absorbed into the body.

Since BCP manufacturers use it in the making of Birth Controll pills, I think

there is valid reason to think that it would work taken over a period of time

on a daily basis...





==========

Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:18:47 -0500

--------

Wild Yam is a progesterone precursor. Precursor means it causes an effect. It causes your body to produce progesterone and balances other hormones. Yam, soy, and green leafy vegetables are progesterone precursors. Progesterone is a key component in the ultimate formation and balance of estrogen and testosterone.

Some Wild Yam creams contain DHEA in them also. The one I use does. I still use it while pregnant to balance out my hormones, which is okayed through my ND. She also told me it would not interfere with birth control pills. (I don't use those, however, my husband and I practice NFP.) I'm sure ND's would have knowledge of research done on Wild Yam.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:37:54 GMT

--------

On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:18:47 -0500, "slade or kay henson"

<nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Wild Yam is a progesterone precursor. Precursor means it causes an effect. It causes your body to produce progesterone and balances other hormones. Yam, soy, and green leafy vegetables are progesterone precursors. Progesterone is a key component in the ultimate formation and balance of estrogen and testosterone.



Correct on one count, but oh so incorrect on all the others. The human body

CANNOT make hormones out of wild yam, soy, or other saponin-containing plants.

Laboratories can, over a dozen or two steps. The precursor for estrogen,

progesterone, testosterone and other steroidal hormones in the human body is

cholesterol.



So why do some wild yam creams work? Because they have progesterone added to

them. The 'wild yam' or 'natural progesterone' or other labels on those creams

is just to make you feel good. If it works it has hormones added to it.

Oral progesterone will do nothing at all - 99.9 % of ingested progesterone is

broken down in the gut and will never reach progesterone receptor sites.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: carole.raymond@bigfoot.com (Carole Raymond)

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 23:58:45 GMT

--------

What got me worried was that when I used the cream for about 3 days, I

started spotting.  This indicated to me that there was definitely some

hormone activity, but I wasn't sure how much it would take to have an

effect on the birth control pills.



Thanks to everyone for their responses.



--Carole





On 25 Apr 1998 07:27:27 GMT, " ~ Bobba Link ~" <Nospams@ourhouse.com>

wrote:



>Your BRAIN sends the chemical signals to produce or not produce hormones

>such as Estrogen & progesterone (and others).  The Yam creams contain

>almost no active ingredient.  Sounds like someone has been at Lees website

>and reading his unproven theories.

>Your body keeps itself in balance.

>-- 

>Carol .....

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~}<{{{o>

>

>slade or kay henson <nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote in article

><6hnf3r$kl8$1@news2.alpha.net>...

>Some Wild Yam creams contain DHEA in them also. The one I use does. I still

>use it while pregnant to balance out my hormones, which is okayed through

>my ND. She also told me it would not interfere with birth control pills. (I

>don't use those, however, my husband and I practice NFP.) I'm sure ND's

>would have knowledge of research done on Wild Yam.

>

>Kay

>







==========

Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:05:15 -0500

--------

Cissy . Thorpe wrote:



> AND - Creeks were in eastern Alabama, southwest Georgia and northwest

> Florida - moved to central Oklahoma and souther Alabama.



And EasTexas, where they are known by their subtribe names, Alabama 

and Kousati / Coushatta.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: "Willi Wonka" <Nospam@ourhouse.net>

Date: 21 Apr 1998 07:05:13 GMT

--------

I wonder if she will support and educate the children that are born to

women using yam birth control?  

Carol

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> There is a booklet titled " Wild Yam  Birth control without Fear" By

> Willa Shaffer - Woodland Books

> In it she says that that wild yam can be used as birth control.  Read

> the booklet for some interesting info. about it.

> Good luck to you.

> Wassail, 

> Samantha

> >Thanks.





==========

Subject: Re: Wild Yam

From: John <laptop@i-zone.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:31:37 +0100

--------

In article <353a644d.280781981@sugarbear>, Carole Raymond

<carole.raymond@bigfoot.com> writes

>Thanks for that info, but my question is:  Will it interfere with the

>effectiveness of the birth control pills I am already taking?

>

>--Carole



I don't think so.. mind you, I don't know what kind of wild yam you are

referring. Do you mean eating the vegetable or the application of some

kind of cream (as has been mentioned in other posts)?



It is true that some yams contain precursors to estrogen/proestrogen

(sp?) but they contain nothing like the amount needed to throw your pill

out. You would need to eat nothing but yam!



In answer to your question: I don't think it will, but consult your

doctor, who knows your complete medical history, and any possible

interactions that there can be with the pills you are taking.







John





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Subject: Quitting smoking : niacinimide?

From: sildra93@aol.com (Sildra93)

Date: 18 Apr 1998 22:11:39 GMT

--------

A friend of mine is sending me some niacinimide to help me quit smoking.



What is this stuff? and what does it do? I want to hear it from someone else

too... heh <am insanely paranoid and want to make sure this stuff wont kill

me>.



so far things are going well.. have gone from 2 packs of Marl. reds a day to

8-10 marlboro ultralights a day....



the change in nicotine levels thus far hasnt had much of a noticeable effect,

although I am munching more and fidgeting alot.



I only want to quit ONCE... and want to make sure I do it right.. the scare

tactics dont work on me... but I have made up my mind completely that I do WANT

to quit... the motivation is there, and I think the willpower is... what all

reccomendations are there to help replace the fidget phenomena?



SilDra the fidget maniac





==========

Subject: Re: Quitting smoking : niacinimide?

From: "Todd D." <TODD-O@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 19 Apr 1998 05:22:54 GMT

--------

Niacinamide or Niacin is also known as Vitamin B-3. It is involved in the

proper functioning of the nervous system and also improves circulation and

helps to lower cholesterol.

No, it wont kill you but high doses may cause your skin to flush and feel

tinglely! No problem just lower the dosage until your body gets used to it

and then gradually increase the dose.

Also, your friend may be right. Studies have shown that Niacin may help you

kick the habit!



For more info about vitamins, herbs and nutritional supplements visit our

site at

http://www.biolifeplus.com



Sildra93 <sildra93@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998041822113900.SAA28904@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> A friend of mine is sending me some niacinimide to help me quit smoking.

> 

> What is this stuff? and what does it do? I want to hear it from someone

else

> too... heh <am insanely paranoid and want to make sure this stuff wont

kill

> me>.

> 

> so far things are going well.. have gone from 2 packs of Marl. reds a day

to

> 8-10 marlboro ultralights a day....

> 

> the change in nicotine levels thus far hasnt had much of a noticeable

effect,

> although I am munching more and fidgeting alot.

> 

> I only want to quit ONCE... and want to make sure I do it right.. the

scare

> tactics dont work on me... but I have made up my mind completely that I

do WANT

> to quit... the motivation is there, and I think the willpower is... what

all

> reccomendations are there to help replace the fidget phenomena?

> 

> SilDra the fidget maniac

> 





==========

Subject: Cardiac Herbs

From: "Ken Keaveney" <vasales@clubi.ie>

Date: 18 Apr 1998 23:51:13 GMT

--------

I am a student studying herbal medicine and am looking for information on

cardiac herbs, Convallaria majalis and Crataegus sp.. I am most interested

in peoples experiences of using these herbs, but all information would be

gratefully received.



many thanks 

Anna-Maria

Reply E-mail vasales@clubi.ie







==========

Subject: Re: Cardiac Herbs

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:18:39 -0500

--------

Convallaria majalis

(Liliaceae)

Lily of the Valley



Description: Attractive perennial growing to 9 inches. Has a pair of elliptical leaves, clusters of bell-shaped white flowers on one side of the stem, and red berries.



Habitat and Cultivation: Native to Europe, this herb is also distributed over North America and northern Asia. It is widely cultivated as a garden plant. The leaves and flowers are gathered in late spring as the plant comes in to flower.



Parts Used: Leaves, flowers.



Constituents: Contains cardiac glycosides, including the cardenolides convallotoxin, convalloside, convallotoxol, and others, and flavonoid glycosides. The cardiac glycosides act to strengthen a weakened heart.



History and Folklore: The 2nd-century AD herbalist Apuleius recorded that Apollo gave lily of the valley as a gift to Aesculapius, the god of healing. In the 16th century, the herbalist John Gerard had this to say about its therapeutic value: "The flowers of the valley lillie distilled with wine, and drunke to the quantitie of a spoonful, restore speech unto those that have the dumb palsie and that are fallen into apoplexy, and are good against the gout, and comfort the heart."



Medicinal Actions and Uses: Is used by European herbalists in place of common Foxglove. Both herbs have a profound effect in heart failure, whether due in the long term to a cardio-vascular problem or to a chronic lung problem such as emphysema. Encourages the heart to beat more slowly, regularly and efficiently. It is also strongly diuretic, reducing blood volume and lowering blood pressure. It is better tolerated than foxglove, since it does not accumulate within the body to the same degree. Relatively low doses are required to support heart rate and rhythm, and to increase urine production.



Cautions: Use only under professional supervision. Lily of the valley is subject to legal restrictions in some countries.





Crataegus spp.

Crataegus oxyacantha and C. monogyna 

(Rosaceae)

Hawthorn



Habitat and Cultivation: Hawthorn trees grow in pastures and along hedges throughout most of the temperate regions of the northern hemisphere. The seeds take 18 months to germinate, but the trees are usually cultivated from cuttings. The flowering tops are harvested in late spring and the berries are gathered in late summer to ealy fall. Hawthorn has bright red berries in fall.



Key Constituents: Bioflavonoids (rutin, quercitin), Triterpenoids, Oligomeric procyanidin, Amines (trimethylamine--in flowers only), Polyphenols, Coumarins, Tannins.



Key Actions: Cardiotonic, dilates blood vessels, relaxant, antioxidant



Reserach: Bioflavonoids: Hawthorn has been fairly well researched. Its main medicinal benefit is due to its bioflavonoid content. These constituents relax and dilate the arteries, especially the coronary arteries. This increases the flow of blood to the heart muscles and reduces the symptoms of angina. The bioflavonoids are also strongly antioxidant, helping to prevent or reduce degeneration of the blood vessels.

Cardiac herb: A number of trials have confirmed hawthorn's value in treating chronic heart failure, notably a 1994 trial in Germany that showed hawthorn improved heartbeat rate and lowered blood pressure.



Traditional and Current Uses: Historical uses--traditionally used in Europe for kidney and bladder stones and as a diuretic. The 16th and 18th century herbals of Gerard, Culpeper and K'Eogh all list these uses. Its current use for circulatory and cardiac problems stems from an Irish physician who started using it successfully on his patients for such conditions toward the end of the 19th century.



Heart remedy: Hawthorn is used today to treat angina and coronary artery disease. It is also useful for mild congestive heart failure and irregular heart beat. It works well but may take some months to produce notable results. Like many herbs, hawthorn works in time with the body's own physiological process, and it takes time for change to occur.



Blood pressure: Not only is hawthorn a valuable remedy for high blood pressure, but it also raises low blood pressure. Herbalists using hawthorn have found that it restores blood pressure to normal.



Poor memory: Combined with ginkgo, hawthorn is used to enhance poor memory. It works by improving the circulation of blood within the head, thereby increasing the amount of oxygen to the brain.



(quoted from The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants)





In my practice, I have not used Lilly of the Valley on my clients. I have advised the use of Hawthorn, though. I focus on diet changes and proper nutrition first, using herbs to supplement and aid the body to heal itself naturally.



Kay

 

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Ken Keaveney wrote in message <01bd6b25$18117080$946485c2@default>...

>I am a student studying herbal medicine and am looking for information on

>cardiac herbs, Convallaria majalis and Crataegus sp.. I am most interested

>in peoples experiences of using these herbs, but all information would be

>gratefully received.

>

>many thanks 

>Anna-Maria

>Reply E-mail 

>







==========

Subject: Coenzyme Q10

From: research@ashapharma.net

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 21:53:29 -0600

--------

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==========

Subject: SJW

From: minya1@aol.com (Minya1)

Date: 19 Apr 1998 11:32:49 GMT

--------

If you have a book about SJW and it didn't mention phototoxicity, throw it out.

 This is one of SJW's most common side-effects.  It is considered a noxious

*WEED* by many (nonherbalists) because of just this effect (the cattle which

sometimes eat it also fail to put sunblock on afterwards... ;-).  Anyway, *in

my opinion*, SJW shouldn't be taken for such extended periods, at least for

depression.  If you're still needing SJW's quite wonderful effect after 5

*months*, maybe its time to focus more of your energies on the causes of the

depression. 





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Subject: Re: SJW

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 06:58:57 GMT

--------

On 19 Apr 1998 11:32:49 GMT, minya1@aol.com (Minya1) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>If you have a book about SJW and it didn't mention phototoxicity, throw it out.

> This is one of SJW's most common side-effects. 



It's not phototoxic to humans - just to things like cattle and sheep.

The hypericin it contains, in pure form, is phototoxic to humans, which is why I

shudder at all these 'standardized' extracts - many of them probably have

synthetic hypericin added to them to come up to standard.



What you really want when using Hypericum (St.John's wort, the whole plant) is a

deep dark reddish brown tincture. Any that isn't that color isn't up to -my-

standards. You get it by getting to know a -good- local herbalist.



The thing about standardization that is so evil is



- since when do we know the active constituents in plants? Ginsengs have been

thru 4 different sets, Echinacea likewise, it's proven that pure hypericin

doesn't do squat for depression, Ginkgo has been thru a couple of sets of

constituents - truly folks, today's active constituents are tomorrows redundant

plant parts - if you're a pharmacognosists. If you're an herbalist you know that

you want the WHOLE of the plant, not just the sum of the parts.



- since when do plants come in the same strengths every year, let alone every

patch? Since when does a fixed amount of hypericin (for example) give you a

fixed amount of the rest of the plant? It just doesn't work that way.



- since when do we NEED standardization? This is -herbs-, not pharmaceuticals.

The use of herbs for healing is an art, not a science. If this plant has less of

that part then it'll probably work better on the folks who really need it this

year. This might sound like mumbo-jumbo but you'll notice it if you practice for

any length of time.



As such standardization is just another marketing trick, and we don't need it.

Also, standardization is expensive and invites adulteration. Synthetic

hypericin, anyone?



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: SJW

From: blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2)

Date: 19 Apr 1998 13:03:15 GMT

--------

X-No-Archive: yes



Dear Minya, I'm wondering about the tone and spirit of your post, and hoping to

clear some things up here ... this newsgroup is a pretty gentle place, but the

tone of your post was a bit rough.



>If you have a book about SJW and it didn't mention phototoxicity, throw it

>out.



Most folks who keep up with SJW are well aware of the reports of

photosensitivity.  But they are also aware that most research indicates that

the phototoxicity has only been a problem in animals who graze on large amounts

of the stuff all day in the sun.  Yes, humans should watch out for it,

particularly if they take other medications that might contribute to the

photosensitivity, but it doesn't appear to be a serious problem in humans.  If

you are aware of documented, medical reports to the contrary, I am always on

the lookout for better info and would love to see it.  We spend months in the

Caribbean every year, and have never had a problem with photosensitivity.



> This is one of SJW's most common side-effects.  



According to most reports, dangerous only in animals ...



> It is considered a noxious

>*WEED* by many (nonherbalists) because of just this effect (the cattle which

>sometimes eat it also fail to put sunblock on afterwards... ;-). 



right .... cattle and sheep.



> Anyway, *in

>my opinion*, SJW shouldn't be taken for such extended periods, at least for

>depression. 



You are entitled to your opinion, but some of us are after research and facts. 

Perhaps you have never suffered from depression or watched an 8-year-old child

try to get by with a major depression.  Perhaps you would feel better puting a

young child on Prozac or Zoloft or Luvox or Paxil, which also have widely-known

side effects.  I too, question the wisdom of having a child on SJW long-term,

but I search for facts, not opinions based on one person's limited knowledge of

just how dangerous depression can be.  If you know of any research or anecdotal

reports of problems with long-term use of SJW, I'm all ears (or eyes, as the

case may be.)  But if you're stating an opinion, can you do it in a way that is

not so judgemental of those who suffer from depression?



> If you're still needing SJW's quite wonderful effect after 5

>*months*, maybe its time to focus more of your energies on the causes of the

>depression. 



This is where the tone of your post warranted a harsher reply than usual from

me :-)  My son has Tourette Syndrome.  Is that enough of a cause for you? 

Depression can be comorbid with many other neurological disorders.  Some folks

are not just popping SJW for its "quite wonderful effect," but rather for the

serious and much-needed and much-welcome therapeutic effects. SJW has been a

godsend for my son, handling all of his symptoms with no side effects.



Here are some basic education sites (I have yet to find any book that covers

the bases as well as these sites):



http://www.primenet.com/~camilla/STJOHNS.FAQ

http://www.eclecticphysician.com/hypericum.shtml#Action/Effects

http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5942/geninfo.htm

http://www.hypericum.com/toc.htm



and



http://tsa.mgh.harvard.edu/











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Subject: Re: SJW

From: "Karen  Shelton" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 10:15:39 -0500

--------

  If you're still needing SJW's quite wonderful effect after 5

*months*, maybe its time to focus more of your energies on the causes of the

depression.



Well after four years in a shrinks office, where they do nothing but

prescribe pills for depression that make you fat and lazy, you would think

differently. The cause of my depression is a brain injury, and no amount of

focusing on that helps at all; in fact focusing on that is about the most

depressing thing I can think of.  St. Johns Wort helped me when nothing else

has. Different strokes for different folks.

Have been taking it since last July, as for photo toxicity; well one ought

to be wearing sunscreen these days anyway. And from what I have read it is a

non-issue when SJW is taken in moderate doses. I am fair skinned and blue

eyes and it has not been a problem for me, even though I spend a lot of time

outdoors. Not that I ever graze on the huge amounts that a cow might!



SJW should be used in moderation, more is not better. I am sure we all still

have a lot to learn about this herb, only time will tell, but as for me it

would take some pretty bad effects to discontinue its use. Any herb has

potential for side effects, due to differences in body chemistry and

possible allergic reactions. As for me, it seems safer than the prescribed

drugs I was taking before. And that is only my opinion so take it with a

grain of salt.



Due to my experience with the herb, I have written quite a bit about it on

my web site at www.altnature.com , as well as listed every informative site

about it that I have found on my links page.

Comments are always appreciated.



Karen Shelton

nature@edge.net





Would like to hear more from anyone who has taken St. Johns Wort following a

head injury.









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Subject: SJW - is this good quality

From: "Terminal" <rave@yebo.co.za>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:11:43 +0200

--------

Hi there,



I have recently started taking SJW to combat seratonin depletion and to

"pep" me up after taking Ecstacy.  The product that i am using - SJW

capsules from a company called Irwin Naturals - based in Culver City CA.



Do anybody know if this is good quality - it says Standardized to .3%

Hypericins on the bottle (whatever that means!)



It also contains stuff like Ginkgo Biloba, Kava Kava and a range of Vit B

stuff.  I take this with Magnisium tablets called Slow Mag's and some

Chromium Picolade.  Can anybody comment on this combination?



Thanks,



Terminal.









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Subject: Re: SJW - is this good quality

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:54:53 GMT

--------

On Mon, 20 Apr 1998 20:10:50 -0400, "Paul Geary"

<carnac@ix.netcom.com> wrote:



>Whatever do you mean " pep me up after taking Ecstacy"? Anyway, the

>recognized  therapeutic dose is .3%. Sounds like a good combo.  



Anne Terminal wrote in message <6hd49m$rhg$1@hermes.is.co.za>...

>>Hi there,

>>

>>I have recently started taking SJW to combat seratonin depletion and to

>>"pep" me up after taking Ecstacy.  The product that i am using - SJW

>>

>>



Hello folks,



Like most of people who read this NG, I am here to learn and help when

I can.  As a practicing Aromatherapist, I seek to help and heal all

who I come into contact with.  This also includes trying to stop

people doing silly things with Essential Oils.



While it is not my place to judge another persons lifestyle, I do feel

a sense of despair at the actions of others who seem to be advocating

the use of Illegal drugs.  No one fully knows what the long term

effects of Ecstacy is or will be, but the general informed oppinion is

that users will face serious long term depression and brain dammage.  



I just hope that giving my oppinion here will make at least one person

to think twice about the health risks of taking illegal drugs like

Ecstacy.





Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

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Subject: Re: SJW - is this good quality

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 04:42:57 GMT

--------

On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:11:43 +0200, "Terminal" <rave@yebo.co.za>

wrote:



>Hi there,

>

>I have recently started taking SJW to combat seratonin depletion and to

>"pep" me up after taking Ecstacy.  The product that i am using - SJW

>capsules from a company called Irwin Naturals - based in Culver City CA.



You probably won't want to hear this, but the Number One thing you can

do to improve your condition is to stop taking the Ecstasy.  Any

artificial "high" gives you a resultant artificial "low" equivalent to

the high (the higher you got, the lower you'll get, it's all

Newtonian!) - think of it as the wages of sin (to quote the Christian

bible).  In addition, you're probably doing more severe damage to your

health than you'd think, as *any* illegal drug, be it heroin, cocaine,

amphetamines or ecstasy is not likely to be manufactured to a very

high quality standard.  



Given that, I think that your worries about a *commercial* herbal

supplement which has to be manufactured to a certain quality standard

for legal reasons are somewhat illogical.  If you're not sure about

whether the stuff is good for you or not, go to a qualified naturopath

or herbalist and talk to them.  Sure, it's gonna cost you a couple of

dollars, but your health is worth that, surely?



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm





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Subject: gout

From: "John  Payne" <john-payne@mindspring.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 13:25:21 -0400

--------

Can anyone recommend a herb for gout, I am a 47 year old male.I can hardly

walk at times. I have not gone to a doctor yet, this will be my last resort.

e-mail  me with ideas.









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Subject: Re: gout

From: "webmaster@biolifeplus" <TODD-O@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 19 Apr 1998 19:32:05 GMT

--------

There are several herbs that may help relieve the gout. First you should

understand what causes this affliction.



Gout (painful, red swollen joints) is caused by the breakdown of proteins

into the waste product "Uric Acid". The uric acid is eliminated from the

body by the kidneys, however, sometimes the kidneys don't eliminate it all

and the uric acid builds up. When the levels build up too high, uric acid

crystals form in the fluid surrounding the joints. This results in the

painful inflammation known as gout.



Any herb which will increase urination can help remove uric acid through

the kidneys and thereby reduce the risk of a gout attack. The herb "Gotu

Kola" can help improve the blood flow through the veins in the legs thereby

helping to remove the uric acid crystals



Vitamin C also helps in the removal of uric acid from the body. Work

yourself up to at least 4 grams per day.



For more nutritional information visit our website at

http://www.biolifeplus.com



BioLifeplus Nutrition

Nutrition for the new you!







John  Payne <john-payne@mindspring.com> wrote in article

<6hdc3a$sgj$1@camel18.mindspring.com>...

> Can anyone recommend a herb for gout, I am a 47 year old male.I can

hardly

> walk at times. I have not gone to a doctor yet, this will be my last

resort.

> e-mail  me with ideas.

> 

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: gout

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:20:33 -0400

--------

    Acerola Cherries are the best "medicine" for gout.  You can

alternatively use Vit. C with bioflavanoids (esp. rutin) and Vit E.



John Payne wrote in message <6hdc3a$sgj$1@camel18.mindspring.com>...

>Can anyone recommend a herb for gout, I am a 47 year old male.I can hardly

>walk at times. I have not gone to a doctor yet, this will be my last

resort.

>e-mail  me with ideas.

>

>









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Subject: Re: gout

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:55:35 -0500

--------

Go on a fasting Detoxification program to rid the body of acid wastes quickly.

Follow with a diet of fresh foods for a month to balance uric acid formation.

Drink 4 glasses of cherry juice and 6 glasses of water daily to flush and neutralize acid. Eat plenty of dark fruits.

Eat high potassium foods: fresh cherries, bananas, strawberries, celery, broccoli, potatoes, and greens to put acid crystals in solution so they can be eliminated.

Avoid high purine foods, including red meats, rich gravies, broths and bouillon, sweetbreads, organ meats, mushrooms, asparagus, dry peas, cooked spinach and rhubarb, sardines, anchovies, and crab.

Eliminate alcohol during healing--it inhibits uric acid secretion from the kidneys.

Avoid high levels of fructose on any drinks or food. Reduce caffeine, fried foods, and all saturated fats.



Do you have hypothyroidism also? This condition is usually involved in gout. If so, you can use sea vegetables to normalize thyroid activity.

Hope this helps you out.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: gout

From: "Susan" <mkkitty@eznet.net>

Date: 23 Apr 98 09:37:49 GMT

--------

Didn't see the original post, but wanted to add what happens to my sister. 

Whenever she gets too much dairy she gets gout in her fingers.  Other than

a little milk in her cereal she eats a little cheddar cheese and that

little bit of cheese is enough to set off a gout attack.



Susan



slade or kay henson <nohow-noway@nowhere.com> wrote in article

<6hfgkd$bqh$1@news3.alpha.net>...

Go on a fasting Detoxification program to rid the body of acid wastes

quickly.

Follow with a diet of fresh foods for a month to balance uric acid

formation.

Drink 4 glasses of cherry juice and 6 glasses of water daily to flush and

neutralize acid. Eat plenty of dark fruits.

Eat high potassium foods: fresh cherries, bananas, strawberries, celery,

broccoli, potatoes, and greens to put acid crystals in solution so they can

be eliminated.

Avoid high purine foods, including red meats, rich gravies, broths and

bouillon, sweetbreads, organ meats, mushrooms, asparagus, dry peas, cooked

spinach and rhubarb, sardines, anchovies, and crab.

Eliminate alcohol during healing--it inhibits uric acid secretion from the

kidneys.

Avoid high levels of fructose on any drinks or food. Reduce caffeine, fried

foods, and all saturated fats.



Do you have hypothyroidism also? This condition is usually involved in

gout. If so, you can use sea vegetables to normalize thyroid activity.

Hope this helps you out.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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==========

Subject: Grapefruit Seed Extract --Request Info

From: vf362436@hotmail.com (VF)

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:01:32 GMT

--------

 

I would like to know as much as possible about GSE.... I've tried looking on 

the internet, but most of the sites I find are commercial and of little help.

What benefits does GSE have?  What can it be used to "treat"?  ETC...



Also, what is the difference in benefits between a tincture of something and 

an extract?     Can you buy a tincture of GS and will there be any difference 

from an extract?    



Thank you.





==========

Subject: Re: Grapefruit Seed Extract --Request Info

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 17:26:25 -0400

--------

Grapefruit seed extract is anti-microbial and I think sometimes used in

preparations designed to treat Candida overgrowth.  Primarily, though, it is

used to cleanse the skin (i.e. in soaps and acne preparations) and to

prevent odors (i.e. in natural deodorants).



VF wrote in message ...

>

>I would like to know as much as possible about GSE.... I've tried looking

on

>the internet, but most of the sites I find are commercial and of little

help.

>What benefits does GSE have?  What can it be used to "treat"?  ETC...

>

>Also, what is the difference in benefits between a tincture of something

and

>an extract?     Can you buy a tincture of GS and will there be any

difference

>from an extract?

>

>Thank you.









==========

Subject: Re: Grapefruit Seed Extract --Request Info

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:54:52 GMT

--------

Hello,



GSE is a natural preservitive and is used in Soap and other natural

body care products.  I have never heard of it being suitable for

internal use as I understand it is toxic.  I have seen references to

it helping in treating acne but I have not seen any proof of this.

Sorry this is all I know, but I hope it helps a little.





On Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:01:32 GMT, vf362436@hotmail.com (VF) wrote:



> 

>I would like to know as much as possible about GSE.... I've tried looking on 

>the internet, but most of the sites I find are commercial and of little help.

>What benefits does GSE have?  What can it be used to "treat"?  ETC...

>

>Also, what is the difference in benefits between a tincture of something and 

>an extract?     Can you buy a tincture of GS and will there be any difference 

>from an extract?    

>

>Thank you.



Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

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Subject: Question

From: vf362436@hotmail.com (VF)

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 19:04:53 GMT

--------



What herbs would be good for decreasing water retention (from the birth 

control pill) and cellulite?     (Specifically interested in extract/tincture, 

rather than dry form.)





==========

Subject: Re: Question

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 05:25:41 -0500

--------

VF wrote:

> 

> What herbs would be good for decreasing water retention (from the 

> birth control pill) and cellulite?     (Specifically interested in 

> extract/tincture, rather than dry form.)



Dandelion is diuretic.  In the vernacular French it is called "piss 

in the bed."  



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Question

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 26 Apr 1998 15:06:45 GMT

--------

An infustion of young, dried birch leaves would be good to decrease water

retention. You  might watch your diet for those "hidden" salts in your foods

too.









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Subject: sarsaparilla

From: "Carole Hitchcox" <carole.hitchcox@wildwind.globalnet.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 20:23:55 +0100

--------

What is this? And why do I like the taste so much?



Regards,



Carole









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Subject: Re: sarsaparilla

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 19 Apr 1998 19:49:01 -0700

--------

"Carole Hitchcox" <carole.hitchcox@wildwind.globalnet.co.uk>

wrote:



>What is this? And why do I like the taste so much?

  Isn't it used in root beer?  Not all herbs have nasty or bitter

tastes.  Sarsaparilla was a common non-alcoholic drink in the US

until Coca Cola and the rest wiped it out.





==========

Subject: Re: sarsaparilla

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 11:46:04 -0400

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <353ab76b.5840312@news.primenet.com>...

>"Carole Hitchcox" <carole.hitchcox@wildwind.globalnet.co.uk>

>wrote:

>

>>What is this? And why do I like the taste so much?

>  Isn't it used in root beer?  Not all herbs have nasty or bitter

>tastes.  Sarsaparilla was a common non-alcoholic drink in the US

>until Coca Cola and the rest wiped it out.



Funny you should mention Coca Cola, an old herbal extract if ever there was

one.  The exact mixture of flavoring ingredients is a closely held secret

but is acknowledged to be a mixture of coca leaf (cocaine removed first,

these days), kola nuts (a natural source of caffeine), various fruit oils

including citrus, natural vanilla, etc.  Even Edgar Cayce recommended the

syrup (without the carbonation) as a gentle stimulant and for the kidneys.



Sarsaparilla soda, by the way, is still sold (at least at the Publix where I

shop), but whether it contains all the herbs found in the original, I

couldn't say.  My impression is that there never was a single formula for

the beverage - it is just sort of a general term for a soda flavored with

roots (including Smilax - sarsaparilla) originally taken as a palliative for

the symptoms of syphilis and several other diseases (just as Coca Cola was

originally taken for headaches).  Of course, syphilis was never able to be

successfully controlled by any herbal concoction, which may be one reason

sarsaparilla lost it's following.



-Rich











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Subject: Homemade Toothpaste Recipe?

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:24:03 -0500

--------

After hearing an interview about the hazards of using flouride, I'd like

to start making my own toothpaste. Does anyone have any good recipes?

Thanks, Mark





==========

Subject: Homemade Mouthwash Recipe?

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:32:51 -0500

--------

Any recipe suggestions would be greatfully appreciated. Thanks, Mark





==========

Subject: Re: sarsaparilla (any recipes?)

From: markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles)

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:37:38 -0500

--------

I'd like to make some of this old fashioned drink. Does anyone know of

any good recipes? Thanks, Mark





==========

Subject: Any suggestions for formula/combo for benign ovarian cyst?

From: psx@mediaone.net (Chris Kelley)

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 06:15:29 GMT

--------

Any help appreciated for specific sites or just general starting

points.  Have found one product for sale, but no specific listing of

herbs that will help this condition, even at several sites devoted to

herbal health for women.



Previous experience info would be appreciated if anyone has made up

any teas, or knows of several herbs together that specifically target

reduction/removal of  benign ovarian cysts or generally target

reduction of growths.  A few years ago I remember reading something

about Red Clover and Herb "x-can't remember"  would reduce breast

tumors, any opinions as to whether that may be worth researching for

ovarian cysts?



Appreciate any ideas or suggestions.

Chris







==========

Subject: Which Herbal Companies ?

From: "Jeffrey Dach" <jdach@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 07:16:18 -0400

--------

Any information on the following would be apreciated:

Anyone know anything about:

Body Systems

Rexall Showcase

Enzymatic

Phyto Pharmacia

Viva America

America Longevity

Dr Joel Wallach (Dead Doctors Dont lie audio tape)

I have been looking at these various

companies as possible sources

for botanical herbal

nutrients medicinals etc.

some are MLM, some not MLM.

Jeffrey Dach, M.D.

jdach@worldnet.att.net

http://www.medexpert.net

"Medical Information at Your Fingertips"











==========

Subject: Re: Which Herbal Companies ?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 21 Apr 1998 21:18:32 GMT

--------

In article <6hfav5$ih5@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>, "Jeffrey Dach"

<jdach@worldnet.att.net> writes:



>Any information on the following would be apreciated:

>Anyone know anything about:

[snip] I have been looking at these various companies as possible sources

>for botanical herbal nutrients medicinals etc.



You might try contacting one of the herbal professional organizations for more

information,  such as the American Herbal Products Association. Their members

adher to certain standards of manufacture, etc.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine





==========

Subject: Books

From: Chantria@webtv.net (Vanessa Mullins)

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 09:14:03 -0400

--------

I am looking for books that describe interaction between herbs and

prescription medicines.  Does anyone know of any good ones?





==========

Subject: Re: "Blue-Green Algea"

From: ALGAVORE@aol.com

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 12:46:32 -0600

--------

<<Subject:    Re: Blue-Green Algea

From:         Aquarius1922@webtv.net

Date:         1998/04/17

Message-ID:   <6h9gmb$9u5$1@newsd-143.iap.bryant.webtv.net>

Newsgroups:   alt.folklore.herbs



Aquarius1922@webtv.net writes:



The DNA is not body substance. There are two foreign molecules in it

that will eventually cause stomach problems.>>



Unless you eat yourself - the DNA in the food you consume will be foreign.



Hey - did you hear about the cannibal who passed his brother in the woods?



*{:->  Patrick Babcock





PS - It's "algae";  actually it's alga.



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Subject: Cornsilk WAS Re: Gallstone Protocol

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 17:33:21 -0500

--------

Cornsilk is a soothing diuretic and is helpful in any irritation of the urinary system. It's used for renal problems in children and as a urinary demulcent combined with other herbs in the treatment of cystitis, urethritis, prostaitis and the like.

It can be used in an infusion or a tincture.

It is not listed in my herbal protocol for gallstones, but Marshmallow root, balmony, boldo, fringetree bark and goldenseal are in a recipe for a tea. I still say diet is a big factor with this issue. Herbs don't cure people. They help your body heal itself. Along with that comes proper nutrition and exercise.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Help on growing echinacea

From: "Jane Westcott" <JANEWESTCOTT@bigpond.com>

Date: 21 Apr 98 06:52:58 GMT

--------

We are wanting to grow echinacea in the Gloucester region of NSW,

Australia. Is there anyone who can give us some help re. how to get

started?



- Jane and Tim Westcott (janewestcott@bigpond.com)





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Subject: Re: Help on growing echinacea

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 21 Apr 1998 11:44:20 GMT

--------

Hi Jane,

 try this website---it may be of help to you! Good luck and happy herbing!

Marianne 

      http://www.crop.cri.nz/broadshe/echinace.htm





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Subject: Re: Help on growing echinacea

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 21 Apr 1998 05:39:02 -0700

--------

"Jane Westcott" <JANEWESTCOTT@bigpond.com> wrote:



>We are wanting to grow echinacea in the Gloucester region of NSW,

>Australia. Is there anyone who can give us some help re. how to get

>started?

  I think you start with seeds  :)



  For the benefit of the rest of the world, you might want to

explain your climate a bit.  Australia varies from jungle to

desert with some nice temperate areas mixed in, and we haven't a

clue which you might occupy.

  It's a plant that thrives wild in the central plains of the

USA: needs summer heat, good drainage, moderate water and a lot

of sun. It doesn't do well in our northwest or northeast (Seattle

- cool and damp, Boston - cold and wet), but likes southern

California.  I've failed with it in (Phoenix is a desert much

like parts of your interior, and I didn't water enough).  It is

subject to mildew in extremely humid climates (like those swanpy

places with crocs) unless it has an open location with good

breezes.







==========

To: Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com>

Subject: Re: Help on growing echinacea

From: JFR <jrembet@ix.netcom.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:22:59 -0500

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> 

> "Jane Westcott" <JANEWESTCOTT@bigpond.com> wrote:

> 

> >We are wanting to grow echinacea in the Gloucester region of NSW,

> >Australia. Is there anyone who can give us some help re. how to get

> >started?

>   I think you start with seeds  :)

> 

>   For the benefit of the rest of the world, you might want to

> explain your climate a bit.  Australia varies from jungle to

> desert with some nice temperate areas mixed in, and we haven't a

> clue which you might occupy.

>   It's a plant that thrives wild in the central plains of the

> USA: needs summer heat, good drainage, moderate water and a lot

> of sun. It doesn't do well in our northwest or northeast (Seattle

> - cool and damp, Boston - cold and wet), but likes southern

> California.  I've failed with it in (Phoenix is a desert much

> like parts of your interior, and I didn't water enough).  It is

> subject to mildew in extremely humid climates (like those swanpy

> places with crocs) unless it has an open location with good

> breezes.



This is definitely behaves like a native plant here in Austin, z8b,

although you rarely see it in the wild.  I guess it used to be around on

the blackland praries, but overgrazing and development have made it just

about extinct?



Anyways, you should be able to grow it in any warm climate.  The trick

here is that it seems to be virtually indestructible in part sun

(because of the heat).  In full sun, it may actually perform better, but

you do have to watch the watering more.  I am not sure about the

drainage comments - I  have some real heavy clay with poor drainage and

it does fine with "wet feet" in our sometimes very wet winters (although

I have witnessed a few rot out, but nothing like some other plants that

are really killed off in a wet winter here).  The biggest problem I have

with it is that I cannot get it established predictably - it seems to

germinate sporadically if planted as wild seed and does not spread

much.  It is easy from seed if started indoors.  BTW, we have alkaline

conditions here, so that may also help in growing it successfully.



John R>





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Subject: Re: Help on growing echinacea

From: kp_french@conknet.com

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:07:24 -0500

--------

JFR wrote:

> 

> Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> >

> > "Jane Westcott" <JANEWESTCOTT@bigpond.com> wrote:

> >

> > >We are wanting to grow echinacea in the Gloucester region of NSW,

> > >Australia. Is there anyone who can give us some help re. how to get

> > >started?

> >   I think you start with seeds  :)

> >

I started w/some seed that Idon't remember where I got. Now I prune my

plants,cutting all the smaller blossoms and saving only the biggest and

best. this helps the plants adpat to the individual mircoclimate.



mouser





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Subject: Re: Help on growing echinacea

From: khiott@obsnsrv1.bio.uoknor.edu (Kiki Hiott)

Date: 21 Apr 1998 13:22:40 GMT

--------

In article <01bd6cf2$006757a0$1e1828cb@wphnvfgv>, JANEWESTCOTT@bigpond.com 

says...

>

>We are wanting to grow echinacea in the Gloucester region of NSW,

>Australia. Is there anyone who can give us some help re. how to get

>started?

>

>- Jane and Tim Westcott (janewestcott@bigpond.com)





I live in Oklahoma where Echinacea grows well.  I tried seeding directly 

out-of-doors and it didn't work very well.  Last year I bought 2 

purple-flowering plants and they are thriving.  This year I started white 

Echinacea in peat pots in-doors and had good germination (8 out of 10 seeds 

germinated) with no special preparation.  I planted the seeds in potting soil 

in peat pots, set them in a sunny south window in a water-tight container and 

watered from the bottom.  The seeds germinated within 1.5 weeks and grew 

quickly.



Kiki Hiott, Zone 7, Oklahoma







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Subject: Re: Help on growing echinacea

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:24:37 GMT

--------

khiott@obsnsrv1.bio.uoknor.edu (Kiki Hiott) wrote:



>I live in Oklahoma where Echinacea grows well.  I tried seeding directly 

>out-of-doors and it didn't work very well.  Last year I bought 2 

>purple-flowering plants and they are thriving.  This year I started white 

>Echinacea in peat pots in-doors and had good germination (8 out of 10 seeds 

>germinated) with no special preparation.  I planted the seeds in potting soil 

>in peat pots, set them in a sunny south window in a water-tight container and 

>watered from the bottom.  The seeds germinated within 1.5 weeks and grew 

>quickly.

>

>Kiki Hiott, Zone 7, Oklahoma





I found with echinacea that the seeds need to be stratified. (held in

cool, 35 deg, moist environment for 4 to 6 weeks) I bought some seeds

from the store and nothing came up. I guess the company hadn't prepped

the seeds correctly or they dried out. Did a little research and since

have been fall planting them. I now have 3 - 5'x 40' beds growing and

will have to see how the new one will do this year. 



Don, Zone 4, Nebraska





Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/





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Subject: Re: Wild Yam & birth control

From: "Willi Wonka" <Nospam@ourhouse.net>

Date: 21 Apr 1998 07:08:56 GMT

--------



Using Wild Yam has been found to bring progesterone and estrogen into

balance. It is not strong enough in its natural form to create progesterone

dominance. You must have progesterone dominance to inhibit ovulation. The

cream should not affect your birth control pills.



Kay

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

And if it does and she gets pregnant?

Carol





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Subject: Need Metate

From: Rachel Berry <RachelsTouch@involved.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:36:22 -0700

--------

Does anyone know where I can find one?  It's like a mortar & pestle, but

made out of stone and is rough, not smooth like most I find.  It's

Mexican, and I really want to find one.  Please forward any information

to RachelsTouch@involved.com.  Thank you!







==========

Subject: Beeswax effects

From: Rachel Berry <RachelsTouch@involved.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:38:37 -0700

--------

I have heard various opinions about the use of beeswax in salves and

creams.  Some say it clogs the skin, some say it doesn't but works to

hold all ingredients together.  Is natural, cleaned beeswax in any way

harmful to the skin?  If it is, is there an alternate ingredient to use

in salves and creams?







==========

Subject: Re: Beeswax effects

From: eggs@telusplanet.net

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 05:07:30 GMT

--------

On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:38:37 -0700, Rachel Berry

<RachelsTouch@involved.com> wrote:



>I have heard various opinions about the use of beeswax in salves and

>creams.  Some say it clogs the skin, some say it doesn't but works to

>hold all ingredients together.  Is natural, cleaned beeswax in any way

>harmful to the skin?  If it is, is there an alternate ingredient to use

>in salves and creams?

>

Hi,



I don't know of any harm that beeswax could do to the skin... the

beeswax is added partly to stiffen a salve and partly to emulsify

i.e., to keep the oils and other ingredients from separating. If you

just left it out, you'd end up with a softer ointment/cream, but it

might be prone to separation of ingredients. There are other

emulsifying creams (available at drug stores) that could be used

instead of beeswax, but these are petroleum products and personally I

prefer the natural ingredients. For the same reason, I don't like to

use paraffin wax, which you also see in some recipes. 



Hope this helps,

E





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Subject: homeopathy question

From: Ggrrr@pop3.concentric.net

Date: 21 Apr 1998 15:01:31 EDT

--------

Ok this may be somewhat off the subject but I'm just trying to sort some things

out.  I'm not real sure what "homeopathy" is and what the difference is between

that and herbalism.  I guess I've always been under the impression that they

were the same thing but I see at the health food stores "homeopathic remedies"

being sold as pills and with indications that I'm unclear on i.e. "potentcy

6x".  Can anyone clarify this for me at all?

Thanks ahead

                        Mare











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Subject: Re: homeopathy question

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 21 Apr 1998 21:18:31 GMT

--------

In article <353B2E8C.62CF8596@pop3.concentric.net>, Ggrrr@pop3.concentric.net

writes:

>Ok this may be somewhat off the subject but I'm just trying to sort some

>things out.  I'm not real sure what "homeopathy" is and what the difference is

>between that and herbalism.



Homeopathic preparations can be made from any substance including herbal

plants. Although all are natural substances, the preparation of homeopathic

remedies is very different than something like herbal tincture. In homeopathic

medicine, the greater the dilution of the remedy substance, the higher the

potency of the medicine. Low potency remedies are generally used for treating

acute illnesses, whereas higher potencies are used for constitutional

treatments. So in homeopathy, the mother tincture (prepared like a herbal

tincture) is diluted as much as 1 drop to 99 drops of alchol/water mixture.

It's then sucussed (shaken) and may be diluted more before mixing with the

inert material of the pill, tablet, powder (usually lactose tablets). To get an

X potency, 1 part of original substance is added to 9 parts solvent. To get an

C potency, 1 part of original substance is added to 99 parts solvent. A 6C

potency is consider 10x stronger than a 6X potency



As to why this works, start with Hahnemann (1755-1843), the German

doctor/chemist who coined the term homeopathy and its various basic principles,

and feel free to wade through the reams and reams of historical/current medical

literature. Dr. Constantine Hering (1800-1880) founded the first homeopathic

medical college in the United States as well as devising the Laws of Cure. Dr.

James Tyler Kent (184-1916) created the repertory of symptoms and remedies that

still forms the basis for most repertories today. English homeopath Richard

Hughes (1836-1902) started the debate on high potency vs low potency which

still gets argued today. Homeopathy has attracted some of the most elegant

philosophers of medicine, and most homeopaths have enormous libraries.



A quicker, and more coherent, explanation can be found in PATIENT'S GUIDE TO

HOMEOPATHIC MEDICINE, by Judyth and Robert Ullman. Homeopathics and herbal

medications are not interchangable -- the homeopathic prescribing takes a

different view of the cause and effect of the medication -- and some herbals

can negate the effect of some homeopathics.



Hope that all helps,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





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Subject: HELP!! anyone knowledgable in homeopathy!!!!!

From: "moondaughter" <moondaughter@geocitiesnospam.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:38:12 GMT

--------

i need your help...



my daughter has a branchial cyst... it is a mass in her neck around her

Eustachian tube... not infected but very inflamed.it is a congenital

disorder that i can have removed with surgery, but there is a high risk of

facial nerve damage with said surgery... also it is likely to return if we

have it removed...



we are trying to shrink it using homeopathic remedies.i've been using hepar

sulf. 30c  ever half hour, but it is not going down. i don't think this is

the correct remedy as she has no "sticking" pains, also the cyst is not

filled with pus, but blood.



if anyone knows about homeopathy, help me... she has the following symptoms:



cyst is on left side

aching pain as though pushing on a bruise

no fever, lots of swelling

wants cold drinks

complains of feeling "spacey"

no trouble sleeping

loss of appetite



thanks,

moondaughter









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Subject: Re: HELP!! anyone knowledgable in homeopathy!!!!!

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:55:02 GMT

--------

Hello Moondaughter,



While this is not Homeopathy, nor is it a cure, the application of

Essential Oils may help.  First I would use Lavandin	{Lavandula

Hybrida}, as this oil has great pain killing qualities.  A dilution of

5 or even 10% and very gently massaged on to, or if to painfull,

around the Cyst.  If you dont have Lavandin, try Lavender

{Lavendula Angustifolia}.



To help with the inflamation of her Eustachian tube, you could try 1

drop of Marjoram Sweet {Origanum Marjorana} and 1 drop of Clove Bud

{Eugenia Caryophylatta} diluted in 10ml of carrier oil.  Depending on

her age, 13 or over, this could be increased to 2 drops of each.



Again local massage on or near the cyst.



This is not a cure for the cyst, but it may help make your daughter

more comfortable. 





On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:38:12 GMT, "moondaughter"

<moondaughter@geocitiesnospam.com> wrote:



>i need your help...

>

>my daughter has a branchial cyst... it is a mass in her neck around her

>Eustachian tube... not infected but very inflamed.it is a congenital

>disorder that i can have removed with surgery, but there is a high risk of

>facial nerve damage with said surgery... also it is likely to return if we

>have it removed...

>

>we are trying to shrink it using homeopathic remedies.i've been using hepar

>sulf. 30c  ever half hour, but it is not going down. i don't think this is

>the correct remedy as she has no "sticking" pains, also the cyst is not

>filled with pus, but blood.

>

>if anyone knows about homeopathy, help me... she has the following symptoms:

>

>cyst is on left side

>aching pain as though pushing on a bruise

>no fever, lots of swelling

>wants cold drinks

>complains of feeling "spacey"

>no trouble sleeping

>loss of appetite

>

>thanks,

>moondaughter

>

>



Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

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Subject: Rheumatic Fever and Echinacea

From: "me" <malbrouk@yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 16:01:22 -0500

--------

I have what is probably a stupid question.  I have rheumatic fever and I am

sick and tired of doctor's throwing antibiotics at me.  I'm working on

cleaning up my act, i.e., stopped smoking, cut out red meat, and really

attempting to get more sleep on a regular basis.  My immune system seems

rather weak most of the time.  If it goes around, I get it.  I wanted to

start taking echinacea to see if that may help.  However, someone told me

that I shouldn't take it with rheumatic fever because it makes the white

blood cells more active, and the damage from rheumatic fever is caused by

the white blood cells attacking the body.  Does anyone else have an opinion

on this?  Thanks!



Karen









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Subject: Brand of SJW

From: Sparge@mindless.com

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 02:23:09 GMT

--------

I've heard that some brands of "standardized SJW"  are just rip-offs,

and that certain methods of extraction are better than others. Does

anyone have any recommendations? I'm new to all this, so any info

would be helpful. thanks





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Subject: Carpal Tunnel

From: Galen RedWolf <huntress@jps.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:49:02 -0700

--------

Does anyone know of any herbs or foods that work for Carpal Tunnel.  I

know I heard something about cat's claw, but I can't find it again.

Someone is trying to sell my mom some "herbal" pills that will cost

about $100 a month.  There has to be a better way.



Thanks!



Galen





==========

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:27:24 -0500

--------





On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Galen RedWolf wrote:



> Does anyone know of any herbs or foods that work for Carpal Tunnel.  I

> know I heard something about cat's claw, but I can't find it again.

> Someone is trying to sell my mom some "herbal" pills that will cost

> about $100 a month.  There has to be a better way.

> 

> Thanks!

> 

> Galen

> 

> 

I had the surgery on my right hand almost 10 years ago now - I still 

don't understand what the point is in avoiding it.  I don't like being 

cut on any more than the average Jo, but it was quick and effective - 

very effective. The orthoped that did it also gave me some exercises for 

my left hand (use them on both) and so far I haven't had to have anything 

for the other hand - and I type and all the rest as much or more that I 

ever did. I wouldn't hesitate to have the surgery again and I highly 

recommend it to anyone that is suffering. 



My 2p

Cissy





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Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: Skydog (Gregory Pease) <skydog@value.net>

Date: 22 Apr 1998 23:42:52 GMT

--------

Cissy . Thorpe <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu> wrote:





: On Tue, 21 Apr 1998, Galen RedWolf wrote:



: > Does anyone know of any herbs or foods that work for Carpal Tunnel.  I

: > know I heard something about cat's claw, but I can't find it again.

: > Someone is trying to sell my mom some "herbal" pills that will cost

: > about $100 a month.  There has to be a better way.

: > 

: I had the surgery on my right hand almost 10 years ago now - I still 

: don't understand what the point is in avoiding it.  I don't like being 

: cut on any more than the average Jo, but it was quick and effective - 

: very effective. The orthoped that did it also gave me some exercises for 

: my left hand (use them on both) and so far I haven't had to have anything 

: for the other hand - and I type and all the rest as much or more that I 

: ever did. I wouldn't hesitate to have the surgery again and I highly 

: recommend it to anyone that is suffering. 



Surgery should always be the last resort, following non-invasive modalities.

Some forms of chiropractic chan work to good end, as can physical therapy in

combination with ergonomic considerations and retraining.  During the

process, herbs can help with symptoms, but they are nto a cure.  I know it

is desirable to elliminate pain as quickly as possible, but surgery should

only be considered after other avenues have been investigated.  All surgery,

no matter how routine or minor, carries risk, and should not be undertaken

lightly.



Regards,

Gregory







==========

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:39:22 GMT

--------

The best approach for carpal tunnel may be by treating directly the

wrist. Ingestion of quantities of herbs may help by improving the

ability to heal, but an application of a liniment and heat, along with a

reduction of the activity that is causing the stress would probably be

preferable.

Paul







==========

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: Skydog (Gregory Pease) <skydog@value.net>

Date: 22 Apr 1998 23:45:51 GMT

--------

PTM <sorry@nospam.com> wrote:

: The best approach for carpal tunnel may be by treating directly the

: wrist. Ingestion of quantities of herbs may help by improving the

: ability to heal, but an application of a liniment and heat, along with a

: reduction of the activity that is causing the stress would probably be

: preferable.



All good advice, except for the application of heat.  Heat increases

inflammation, which is exactly what you do NOT want to do with an

inflammatory pathology, such as CTS.  Heat can actually increase the damage!



Instead, ice the wrists.  Only leave an ice pack on for 5 minutes longer

than it takes for the wrist to become numb.  This time will be considerably

shorter than the 20 minutes often advised for larger areas.



Regards,

Gregory







==========

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:56:14 GMT

--------



{ wrote in message <01bd6dc5$95674580$7e7041cf@default>...

>They will sell your Mother anything she can pay for.  No Herb cures/treats

>Carpal Tunnel.

>--

>Carol .....

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~}<{{{o>





Cures, no...  I wouldn't be so quick to say that "no" herb has a place in

the treatment.  I have had some success self-treating the pain and

inflammation with echinacea and elderberry, both of which have some

anti-inflammatory effects.  YMMV.



Cat's claw is used as an immunobooster in much the same way that echinacea

is...  If it were me, I'd be doing more research, and definitely looking at

a different source. Cat's claw is pricey, but not that pricey...  I agree

this particular case sounds like a rip-off.



Beth









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Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:28:37 -0400

--------

Cat's Claw would be good for pain.  B6 helps with the nerve tissues

themselves.  But a good chiropractor can eliminate the problem.



Galen RedWolf wrote in message <353D68AE.75165F81@jps.net>...

>Does anyone know of any herbs or foods that work for Carpal Tunnel.  I

>know I heard something about cat's claw, but I can't find it again.

>Someone is trying to sell my mom some "herbal" pills that will cost

>about $100 a month.  There has to be a better way.

>

>Thanks!

>

>Galen









==========

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: Skydog (Gregory Pease) <skydog@value.net>

Date: 22 Apr 1998 23:27:52 GMT

--------

<o}}}>{ <Nospams@ourhouse.net> wrote:

: They will sell your Mother anything she can pay for.  No Herb cures/treats

: Carpal Tunnel.



The pain from CTS is a result of the inflammation of the radial nerve

running through a partially collapsed carpal tunnel.  Chiropractic can help

to reallign the carpal and meta-carpals, while herbs can absolutely help

reduce the painful symptoms. Good anti-inflammatory herbs (like arnica,

calendula) can work wonders, especially applied topically.  Herb Pharms

makes an oil compoind of Arnica and supportive anti-inflams which I have

used to good effect on myself and with clients.  



I have also undergond chiropractic trteatment for realignment of the CT

itself, and highly recommend finding a good chiropractor who uses the

activator methods.  Conventional "bone crunching" won't likely work, here.

It's not an instant cure, but over a few weeks, I have nearly gotten back to

normal, and improvement continues.



Massage of the forearms also helps, as does proper training of how to use

the wrists.  Ice on the wrists is also good - 5-minutes after it begins to

get numb.



If the pain is severe, and interferes with sleep, try some good sleep aid

herbs, like passion flower, hopps, valerian.  



So, while no herb will cure the CTS directly, herbal therapies can be used

to augment other treatment modalities very effectively.  





Regards,

Gregory





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Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 22:55:06 GMT

--------

Hello Galen,



You could try an aromatherapy blend of Marjoram Sweet {Origanum

Marjorana} and Nutmeg {Myristica Fragrans}.  3 drops of Marjoram and 2

drops of Nutmeg diluted in 5ml of carrer oil.  This is used in gentle

local massage.  It can be used twice a day, but not for more than

three weeks out of four.



As the Marjoram helps in reducing the blood pressure and may help in

reducing the pressure that caused the problem.  Combined with the

Nutmeg will improve the localised blood flow, and help provide some

reliefe.  



This is not a cure but it should, as I have seen in other clients,

help make the conditon tolrable.  But be careful as over use can cause

a skin rash.

 

I hope this helps.



On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 20:49:02 -0700, Galen RedWolf <huntress@jps.net>

wrote:



>Does anyone know of any herbs or foods that work for Carpal Tunnel.  I

>know I heard something about cat's claw, but I can't find it again.

>Someone is trying to sell my mom some "herbal" pills that will cost

>about $100 a month.  There has to be a better way.

>

>Thanks!

>

>Galen



Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

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Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 24 Apr 98 00:12:47 GMT

--------

B. Powell <bgpowell@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>article in Womans Day Magazine which recommended to gently flex the fingers

>outward and the wrist, so that the overused muscles would be gently

>stretched in the opposite direction. 



If Carpal Tunnel was a muscular problem, such exercises might be

helpful, but it's an inflammation of the nerve sheath, and exercises

tend to make it *more* inflamed.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:28:10 -0400

--------

Exercises do help, at least in some cases, and are certainly worth a try.

Whenever I feel the numbness and weakness and ache starting I grab my grip

exercise balls.  You can find them at a lot of golf and other sports stores.

True, it hurts at first, but usually by the second or third day this eases

up.   Soon the matter is resolved.  Probably if you did it regularly you'd

never have a problem again.  Me, I usually forget about it until the problem

resurfaces months to years later.



jamie wrote in message ...

>B. Powell <bgpowell@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>>article in Womans Day Magazine which recommended to gently flex the

fingers

>>outward and the wrist, so that the overused muscles would be gently

>>stretched in the opposite direction.

>

>If Carpal Tunnel was a muscular problem, such exercises might be

>helpful, but it's an inflammation of the nerve sheath, and exercises

>tend to make it *more* inflamed.

>

>--

>  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)

>

>  "There's a seeker born every minute."









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Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: kim birney <halfabee@pacbell.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 14:30:23 -0700

--------

Carol, are you a trained herbalist? If not, how do you know?

I have read many of your posts today, and I can't imagine

why you waste your time here. You are against everything

that is even slightly unconventional. Is it your assertion

that herbal treatments don't work at all? Do you know that

many prescription drugs are synthesized copies of herbal

remedies? 



You don't seem very bright. Maybe you should at least try to

support your arguments better. Then you might have some

credibility.



To the original poster: anything herbal that will cost $100

per month is a big rip-off.



They will sell your Mother anything she can pay for.  No

Herb cures/treats

> Carpal Tunnel.

> --

> Carol .....

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~}<{{{o>

> 

> > Does anyone know of any herbs or foods that work for Carpal Tunnel.  I

> > know I heard something about cat's claw, but I can't find it again.

> > Someone is trying to sell my mom some "herbal" pills that will cost

> > about $100 a month.  There has to be a better way.

> > > Galen

> >





==========

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 25 Apr 1998 01:49:11 GMT

--------



Galen RedWolf wrote in message <353D68AE.75165F81@jps.net>...

>Does anyone know of any herbs or foods that work for Carpal Tunnel.  I

>know I heard something about cat's claw, but I can't find it again.

>Someone is trying to sell my mom some "herbal" pills that will cost

>about $100 a month.  There has to be a better way.

>

>Thanks!

>

>Galen





Dear Galen,



It sounds like a ripoff to me also.   I found the following helped me a

lot..... First of all I switched to Kosher salt.   Something in the regular

salt makes me retain water, and the kosher salt does not.    Also, vitamin

B-6 is reputed to be helpful.   Cat's Claw is good for inflammations and is

a good one to try.



Regards

Evelyn









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Subject: dirty lungs

From: cevin <shadowca@rw2.rworld.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 04:53:16 -0500

--------

hi, does anyone know of a way to "clean" my lungs of the second-hand smoke

that has accumulated there over the 16 years of my life? i'd be greatful -

would something like an expectorant work?



dylan oliver

shadowca@rw2.rworld.com











==========

To: cevin <shadowca@rw2.rworld.com>

Subject: Re: dirty lungs

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:33:25 -0700

--------

Oxygen and time.   Get exercise (if you're not restricted by exercise induced

asthma).  I've read about something called EWOT (exercise with oxygen

therapy)...don't know if that's quackery or not.  Perhaps you can pose that

question to the group.

Best Wishes,

June



cevin wrote:



> hi, does anyone know of a way to "clean" my lungs of the second-hand smoke

> that has accumulated there over the 16 years of my life? i'd be greatful -

> would something like an expectorant work?

>

> dylan oliver

> shadowca@rw2.rworld.com











==========

Subject: Re: dirty lungs

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 02:33:37 GMT

--------

Same way first hand smoke is cleared from the lungs.  Stop inhaling

the stuff.  Let the lungs clean themselves.  They know how.  The stuff

doesn't just stick there forever and accumulte in additive fashion.

Your lungs are cleaning themselves all the time.  Just give them fresh

air and do a bit of exercise and they'll be fine.





On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 04:53:16 -0500, cevin <shadowca@rw2.rworld.com>

wrote:



>hi, does anyone know of a way to "clean" my lungs of the second-hand smoke

>that has accumulated there over the 16 years of my life? i'd be greatful -

>would something like an expectorant work?

>

>dylan oliver

>shadowca@rw2.rworld.com

>

>

>



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





==========

Subject: Re: dirty lungs

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:42:52 -0400

--------

cyli@visi.com wrote in message <353ea97f.2026522@news.visi.com>...

>Same way first hand smoke is cleared from the lungs.  Stop inhaling

>the stuff.  Let the lungs clean themselves.  They know how.  The stuff

>doesn't just stick there forever and accumulte in additive fashion.

>Your lungs are cleaning themselves all the time.  Just give them fresh

>air and do a bit of exercise and they'll be fine.





I agree completely (assuming it is possible), but I would certainly not rule

out the use of a gentle stimulating expectorant to help things along,

especially those that can be used as vapors or fume baths.  These may

actually stimulate the lining of the lungs to work harder to remove the

accumulation of debris.



Of course, smokers themselves (or those who have been exposed to large

concentrations of second hand smoke) may have another problem.  Exposure to

irritants and toxins such as those in tobacco smoke can cause an alteration

of the cell structure of the tissues lining the lungs which may be to some

extent irreversible.  In particular, healthy lungs have what are called

cilia, tiny hairlike protuberances that act to move foreign substances up

and out of the lungs.  Prolonged exposure to smoke can cause these to cease

functioning or disappear altogether, which naturally greatly impedes the

work of natural cleaning.



-Rich (an ex-pack-a-day smoker.  Started when I was 15 'cause it was "cool",

finally quit completely 8 years ago at age 40.  I will pay for my stupidity

until I die, no doubt).











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Subject: What's the best of the best?

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:19:27 -0700

--------

Could anyone please tell me the best herb web sites, esp. those not

trying to sell you something?

Also, does anyone else out there use Puritan's Pride or Sundown

products?   I know Puritan's Pride's prices are much lower than, say

GNC, but does the potency really suffter, or is their stuff pretty good?

(herbs, extracts, as well as vitamins) Thanks

The mind is like a parachute...

it only functions when it's open.

June







==========

Subject: Astragulus

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:24:29 -0700

--------

I thought I read somewhere that Astragulus was good for sinuses and the

immune system.  Does anyone use this herb and what is it typically used

for?

Thanks in advance.



The mind is like a parachute...

it only functions when it's open.

June







==========

Subject: Re: Astragulus

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 25 Apr 1998 01:45:47 GMT

--------



HOLLIDAY wrote in message <353E19BB.C1144B23@nep.net>...

>I thought I read somewhere that Astragulus was good for sinuses and the

>immune system.  Does anyone use this herb and what is it typically used

>for?

>Thanks in advance.

>

>The mind is like a parachute...

>it only functions when it's open.

>June

>



I use Astragalus for sinus infections and have found it to be extremely

effective.   It was recommended by Dr. Andrew Weil in a program he did on

Public television on alternative medicine.



Evelyn









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Subject: Astragalus membranaceus

From: "interagent" <ia@interagent.st.no>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:36:11 +0200

--------

Can someone provide more info regarding this plant?

Best regards,

Heidi



heidi@interagent.st.no

www.interagent.st.no









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Subject: Re: Astragalus membranaceus

From: cnsjjc@aol.com (Cnsjjc)

Date: 22 Apr 1998 21:51:26 GMT

--------

>Can someone provide more info regarding this plant?



Astragalus membranaceus (Fabaceae)



Ethnobotanical Uses:



Anorexia; Anydrotic; Arthritis; Bactericide*; Cardiotonic; Cold; Debility;

Diuretic; Edema; Hyperglycemia*; Numbness; Oliguria; Prolapse; Rectocele;

Tonic; Tumor(Lung); Uterus 



Above  is extracted from the www USDA Phytochemical and Ethnobotanical

Database.















==========

Subject: Re: Astragalus membranaceus

From: eggs@telusplanet.net

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 05:12:49 GMT

--------

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:36:11 +0200, "interagent" <ia@interagent.st.no>

wrote:



>Can someone provide more info regarding this plant?

>Best regards,

>Heidi

>

>heidi@interagent.st.no

>www.interagent.st.no

>

>

Hi,



A. membranaceus is commonly called milk vetch; the roots are used in

Chinese medicine and are called huang qi. It is usually used in

combination with other herbs, depending on the condition being

treated. It is basically a tonic herb for stimulating the immune

system or organ systems. If you are looking for more information,

consult books/people on Chinese herbalism



Hope this is of help,

E





==========

Subject: Re:help for  Arthritis

From: "robbie" <ssolo@uninets.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:41:28 GMT

--------

I haven't seen anyone mention ginger, take internal for circulation,

digestion, it is antibacterial, and good also as foot soaks

Sandy in Troy









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Subject: Herbal antiphlogistics

From: "Thomas Bravard" <thumb@direct.ca>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:13:19 GMT

--------

Anybody know any herbal equivalents to anti-inflammatory

drugs.



I have heard that boiled willowbark can have that effect...



replies to thumb@direct.ca



				Thomas





==========

Subject: Re: Herbal antiphlogistics

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 23 Apr 1998 12:02:02 -0700

--------

Internal inflammation or external?  ailmentary canal? need a little

more info.  But, in the mean time make yourself some Stash Licorice

Tea.... BUT NOT if you have high bp.

Licorice  is a fairly good anti-inflammatory.  It is contraindicated

in high bp --though.  



"Thomas Bravard" <thumb@direct.ca> wrote:



>Anybody know any herbal equivalents to anti-inflammatory

>drugs.



>I have heard that boiled willowbark can have that effect...



>replies to thumb@direct.ca



>				Thomas









==========

Subject: Re: Herbal antiphlogistics

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:55:07 GMT

--------

Hello Thomas,



There are Natural anti-inflammatory preparations that you can use, but

folks need more information.  With herbs or Essential oils, my area of

knowledge, they are not the blanket "Cure Alls" that many drug

companies claim their products to be.  



With Herbal healing, and Aromatherapy, practioners treat the whole

person and not just the symptoms.





On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:13:19 GMT, "Thomas Bravard" <thumb@direct.ca>

wrote:



>Anybody know any herbal equivalents to anti-inflammatory

>drugs.

>

>I have heard that boiled willowbark can have that effect...

>

>replies to thumb@direct.ca

>

>				Thomas



Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

            Remove the spam guard to reply

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html





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Subject: Re: Herbal antiphlogistics

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 14:40:47 GMT

--------

Hi



On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 13:41:57 -0500, "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg"

<hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:



> Ian, doing some research, I find some information on inflammation. Ginger

>has been shown to have to be as benefical as asprin in lab trials.  My

>husband who is sixty-five years old,has had thrity- six broken bones, 

>takes ginger very day and nothing seems to stop him.  



While I can only talk about Essential oils, as an aromatherapist, I

would expect there to be an overlap with herbs, but if using just the

herbs I would strongly surgest consulting a herbalist.  However with

that said these are the Essential oils that are antiphlogistic {Reduce

Inflammation}. 



	Celery, Chamomile, Clary Sage, Eucalyptus, Fennel, Guaiacwood,



	Immortelle, Lavender, Myrrh, Patchouli, Peppermint, Pine,

	Sandlawood,  Tagets, Yarrow



Further with Aromatherapy, oils are blended for a combination of

effects.  If treating Arthitis for instance you may use oils to reduce

inflamation, another to reduce the pain, and another to warm the

joints to increase blood flow and to help increase the mobility of the

joint.



One of the greatest problems with producing any scientifcly valied

proof of effectiveness of Essential Oils, as it is with Herbal

medicnes, each client will require a blend that is ajusted to suit

them as an indiviual.  





>Rest SNIPED





Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

            Remove the spam guard to reply

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Subject: Re: Herbal antiphlogistics

From: "Sally Smith" <divas@amigo.net>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:00:00 -0600

--------

Greetings, yucca root is a very good anti-inflammatory herb, also  Black

cohosh works very well. I hope this helps

      Sally http://www.divasbotanicals.com/

Thomas Bravard wrote in message <01bd6f05$763bebc0$67f8aecc@thumb>...

>Anybody know any herbal equivalents to anti-inflammatory

>drugs.

>

>I have heard that boiled willowbark can have that effect...

>

>replies to thumb@direct.ca

>

> Thomas









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Subject: Re: How to remove toxic from seed part?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 18:38:09 -0400

--------

There are only seven molecules in cottonseed?  My God, get a grip, will you?

What complete and utter nonsense!



-Rich

    b l v wrote in message <6himtt$mv3$1@newsd-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

    Your cottonseed is comprised of molecules - two of the seven molecules

    are toxic.  If you remove the two offending  molecules then you do not

    have the same product.











==========

Subject: herb question

From: "erin" <devilturkey@usa.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:43:09 -0700

--------

what are the uses of rosemary, lavender, and thyme?

cooking and medicinal and magiK thanks









==========

Subject: Re: herb question

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 23 Apr 1998 18:15:02 GMT

--------

>what are the uses of rosemary, lavender, and thyme?

>cooking and medicinal and magiK thanks



Personally I don't cook with lavender.  Rosemary is really good on chicken and

thyme is good for pasta dishes, tomato dishes.



Medicinally rosemary is used as a pain reliever usually in an infusion.



Thyme makes a good wash (cooled infusion) for cuts, scrapes, minor burns and

bruising. Internaly it's good for upset stomachs and lung problems.  It helps

calm coughing spasms.



Lavender as an infusion is good to calm nerves and ease headaches brought on by

stress.  It can also be used as a wash for acne.  Makes good dream pillows as

well.



Magickally Rsemary is known as an herb of remembrance and as a funeral herb. 

It is burned as an incense as a protection against evil and is sometimes used

to cleanse and purify the air around a sick person.



Thyme can be used to help invoke the faeries.  Added to your cooking it said to

help those who eat the meal regain their childlike sense of fun.  It is also a

funeral herb in that is used to restablish communion with those who have

passed.



Lavender is used in the celebration of summer and is the primary ingredient of

incense on Midsummer's Eve.  Also used in rituals of a mystical nature and

capable of invoking Hecate and Saturn.  Also used for meditation and in

magickal spells for attracing money, home blessing and to attract possesions.

Beth

The Truth is Out There





==========

Subject: Re: herb question

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:34:06 -0400

--------

RedWitch04 wrote in message

<1998042318150200.OAA12086@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Personally I don't cook with lavender.  Rosemary is really good on chicken

and

>thyme is good for pasta dishes, tomato dishes.





I was surprised some years ago (OK, *many* years ago) to find that lavender

is a common ingredient in the combination "herbes du province" (hope my

spelling's OK).  I would also not have considered lavender a culinary herb,

despite the books which mention the flowers being dried in sugar and eaten,

but mixed with the other herbs in the blend the effect is quite interesting.



I believe there is also a liquor made from lavender, though I couldn't tell

you where to look.



-Rich











==========

Subject: Re: herb question

From: "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:51:25 GMT

--------



>I was surprised some years ago (OK, *many* years ago) to find that lavender

>is a common ingredient in the combination "herbes du province" (hope my

>spelling's OK).  I would also not have considered lavender a culinary herb,

>despite the books which mention the flowers being dried in sugar and eaten,

>but mixed with the other herbs in the blend the effect is quite

interesting.

>



Really...  this is interesting!  Rich, do you have a recipe for this herb

blend?  It's something I'd like to try; and I'm sure my husband wouldn't

complain! <G>



I don't *cook* much with lavender - although it's one of my favorite tea

herbs - but one of my kids' favorite cookie recipes is essentially a soft

sugar cookie with lavender, and a tiny pinch each of cracked cardamom and

ground nutmeg.



Beth









==========

Subject: Re: herb question

From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:47:46 GMT

--------

On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:51:25 GMT, "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

wrote:



>

>>I was surprised some years ago (OK, *many* years ago) to find that lavender

>>is a common ingredient in the combination "herbes du province" (hope my

>>spelling's OK).  I would also not have considered lavender a culinary herb,

>>despite the books which mention the flowers being dried in sugar and eaten,

>>but mixed with the other herbs in the blend the effect is quite

>interesting.

>>

>

>Really...  this is interesting!  Rich, do you have a recipe for this herb

>blend?  It's something I'd like to try; and I'm sure my husband wouldn't

>complain! <G>



I love this blend!  It's so... yummy!  I just can't describe it.  I usually

buy it premixed at the store, well, because I don't have the proper herbs

and because I'm a dope.  I can't find a recipe for the appropriate

quantities, but here's what I found out on the web:



From a glossary site (http://www.vegweb.com/glossary/herbs.html):

Herbes de Provence is a blend of dried herbs including tarragon, rosemary,

chervil, thyme, sage, and lavender. 



from the epicurious site

(http://www.epicurious.com/db/dictionary/terms/h/herbes_d.html):

herbes de Provence [EHRB duh proh-VAWN S] An assortment of dried herbs said

to reflect those most commonly used in southern France. The blend can be

found packed in tiny clay crocks in the spice section of large

supermarkets. The mixture commonly contains BASIL, FENNEL seed, LAVENDER,

MARJORAM, ROSEMARY, SAGE, summer SAVORY and THYME. The blend can be used to

season dishes of meat, poultry and vegetables. See also  HERBS.  



from THE FOOD LOVER'S COMPANION, 2nd edition,

by Sharon Tyler Herbst, Barron's Educational Services, Inc.



As you can see, it seems to vary a little, what is in it. :)



--

Siobhan Perricone

"If people do not believe that mathematics is simple, it is only because

they do not realize how complicated life is."

 -- John von Neumann





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Subject: Re: herb question

From: Dela Lovecraft <dela@starmail.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:59:19 +0100

--------





Beth Harper wrote:



> >I was surprised some years ago (OK, *many* years ago) to find that lavender

> >is a common ingredient in the combination "herbes du province" (hope my

> >spelling's OK).  I would also not have considered lavender a culinary herb,

> >despite the books which mention the flowers being dried in sugar and eaten,

> >but mixed with the other herbs in the blend the effect is quite

> interesting.

> >

>

> Really...  this is interesting!  Rich, do you have a recipe for this herb

> blend?  It's something I'd like to try; and I'm sure my husband wouldn't

> complain! <G>

>

> I don't *cook* much with lavender - although it's one of my favorite tea

> herbs - but one of my kids' favorite cookie recipes is essentially a soft

> sugar cookie with lavender, and a tiny pinch each of cracked cardamom and

> ground nutmeg.



New to this list (only just found it!) but thought I'd drop in this line....



Lavender can be used as a great culinary hearb, if sparingly. Too much, and it's

sooooo bitter!! Anyway, classic use is to flavour sugar (much as you would with

vanilla pods), and infuse it in a simple stock syrup overnight to make a great

topping for puddings.



And I sure that I have a recipe for lavender Ice-cream somewhere....





Dela Lovecraft















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Subject: Re: herb question

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:08:41 GMT

--------

On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:40:33 -0500, Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

wrote:



>Beth Harper wrote:

>> Really...  this is interesting!  Rich, do you have a recipe for this 

>> herb blend?  It's something I'd like to try; and I'm sure my husband 

>> wouldn't complain! <G>

>> 

>> I don't *cook* much with lavender - although it's one of my favorite 

>> tea herbs - but one of my kids' favorite cookie recipes is essentially 

>> a soft sugar cookie with lavender, and a tiny pinch each of cracked 

>> cardamom and ground nutmeg.

>

>Okay, so post [/mail] the cookie recipe, please.  [I've the kids home

>for the summer and one planned activity is applied math aka baking.] 



If anyone is interested, I've got a recipe somewhere <fx: paper flying

everywhere as Meg searches> for a lavender Shortbread.  Will post it

as soon as I find both it and the time!



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm





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Subject: Re: herb question

From: shannon@yoga.com (Shannon Brophy)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:58:27 GMT

--------

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:43:09 -0700, "erin" <devilturkey@usa.net>

wrote:



>what are the uses of rosemary, lavender, and thyme?

>cooking and medicinal and magiK thanks

>

Thyme has a magical use of frivolity and fun. Rosemary is for

rememberance like in the wreath of a bride. Lavender is calming as is

rosemary. Both make a nice tea and a nice soothing bath. Thyme clears

the lungs and is good for colds but not especially strong. 

Shannon B.



_____________________________________________________________________

 For information on Yoga, Massage and Bodywork, and Natural Healing  

               or to browse Holistic Products to order

      visit the Roots & Wings Website at http://www.yoga.com





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Subject: Re: herb question

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:55:09 GMT

--------

Hello Erin,



As my main area of interest is Essential Oils, I can only give

information on this aspect of the use of these herbs.  I will leave

the herbal aspects to folks more knowledgable.



Rosemary {Rosmarinus Officinalis}.  It's uses in Aromatherapy are as; 



	Analgesic, antidepressant, Antirheumatic, Antiseptic, 		

   	Antispasmodic, Astringent, Carmintive, Cephalic, Cholagogue,

	Cicatrisant, Cordial, Digestive, Diuretic, Emmenagogue, 	

	Hepatic, Hypertensive, Nervine, Resolvent, Stimulant,

	Stomachic, Sudorific, Tonic, Vulnerary.

 

Lavender {Lavendula Angustifolia}



	Analgesic, Anticonvulsive, Antidepressant, Antiphlogistic,

	Antiseptic, Antispasmodic, Antiviral, Bacteriacide, 	

	Carmintive,  Cholagogue, Cicatrisant, Cordial, Cytophylactic,

	Decongestant, Deodorant, Detoxicant, Diuretic, Emmenagogue, 

	Fungicide, Hypertensive, Nervine, Restorative, Sedative, 

	Splenetic, Sudorific, Vulnerary.





Thyme Red & Thyme White {Thymus Vulgaris} & 

Thyme Wild {Serpolet} {Thymus Serpyllum}

 

	Antimicrobe, Antirheumatic, Antiseptic, Antispasmodic, 

	Antiputrefactive, Antivenomous, Aperitif, Aphrodisiac,

	Bacteriacide, Bechic, Cardiac, Carmintive, Cicatrisant, 

	Diuretic, Emmenagogue, Expectorant, Hypertensive, Insecticide,



	Stimulant, Tonic, Vulnerary.



While the effect of a herb in herbal medicne may not be entirly the

same as that of the Essential Oils, there will be a stong overlap and

the healing properties will be very similar.



I hope this helps ;-)



On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:43:09 -0700, "erin" <devilturkey@usa.net>

wrote:



>what are the uses of rosemary, lavender, and thyme?

>cooking and medicinal and magiK thanks

>

>



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Subject: Re: herb question

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:57:22 -0500

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erin wrote in message <6hm0gg$hkp$1@winter.news.erols.com>...

>what are the uses of rosemary,



"Rosemary is a well-known and gretaly valued herb that is antive to southern Europe. It has been used since antiquity to improve and strengthen the memory. To this day it is burned in homes of students in Greece who are about to tkae exams. Rosemary has a longstanding reputation as a tonic, invigorating herb, imparting a zest for life that is to some degree reflected in its distinctive aromatic taste."



Key Actions: Tonic, stimulant, astringent, nervine, anti-inflammatory, Carminitive.



Traditional and Current Uses:

Circulatory stimulant: Rosemary has a central place in European herbal medicine. A warming herb, it stimulates circulation of blood to the head, improving concentration and memory. It also eases headaches and migraine, and encourages hair growth by improving blood flow to the scalp.



Nervous Problems: Rosemary has been used to treat vertigo and epilepsy.



Poor Circulation: Thought to raise low blood pressure, rosemary is valuable for fainting and weakness associated with deficient circulation.



Restorative: Rosemary aids recovery from long-term stress and chronic illness. It is thought to stimulate the adrenal glands and is used specifically for debility, especially when accompanied by poor circulation and digestion.



Uplifting: Rosemary is often prescribed for people who, though not actually ill, are stressed and "failing to thrive". It is valued as an herb that raises the spirits, and is useful for mild to moderate depression.



Other Uses: Applied as a lotion or diluted essential oil, rosemary eases aching, rhuematic muscles. Add the infusion or essential oil to bathwater for a reviving soak. Rosemary also tastes great on chicken dishes and other foods.



> lavender, 



"Lavender is an important relaxing herb, but it is better known for its sweet-scented aroma than for its medicinal properties. It became popular as a medicine during the late Middle Ages, and in 1620 it was one of the medicinal herbs taken to the New World by the Pilgrims. It was described by herbalist John Parkinson (1640) as being of "especiall good use for all griefes and paines of the head and brain".



Key Actions: Carminitive, relieves muscle spasms, antidepressant, antiseptic, antibacterial, stimulates blood flow.



Traditional and Current Uses:

Nervous system: Lavender is well known for its soothing and calming effect, and is combined with other sedative herbs to relieve sleeplessness, irritability, headaches, and migraine. It also helps to alleviate depression.



Digestion: Like many herbs with a significant volatile oil content, lavender soothes indigestion and colic, and relieves gas and bloating.



Asthma: Lavender's relaxing effect makes it helpful for some types of asthma, especially where excessive nervousness is a feature.



Essential Oil: The oil is an invaluable first aid remedy. It is strongly antiseptic, helping to heal burns, wounds, and sores. Rubbed on insect stings, it relieves pain and inflammation, and it can be used to treat scabies and head lice. Massaging a few drops on the temples eases headaches, and 5 drops added to a bath at night relieves muscle tension, tones the nervous system, and encourages a good night's sleep.



>and thyme?





"Thyme was praised by the English herbalist Nicholas Culpeper (1616-1654) as "a notable strengthener of the lungs, as notable a one as grows; neither is there a better remedy growing for that disease in children which they commonly call chin-cough (whooping cough)." Thyme is an excellent antiseptic and tonic, and today is still used as a respiratory remedy, as well as being important for a variety of other ailments."



Key Actions: Antiseptic, tonic, relieves muscle spasms, expectorant, expels worms.



Traditional and Current Uses:

Infections: The antiseptic and tonic properties of thyme make it a useful tonic for the immune system in chronic, especially fungal infections, as well as an effective remedy for chest infections, such as bronchitis, whooping cough and pleurisy. The pleasant-tasting infusion can be taken for minor  throat and chest infections, and the fresh leaves may be chewed to relieve sore throats.



Asthma and hay fever: Thyme is prescribed with other herbs for asthma, especially for children. Its invigorating qualities balance the sedative effect of many harbs used for asthma. The herb is also helpful in hay fever.



Worms: Thyme is often used to treat worms in children.



External uses: Applied to the skin, thyme relieves bites and stings, and helps sciatica and rheumatic aches and pains. It helps ringworm, athlete's foot, thrush, and other fungal infections, as well as scabies and lice. The infusion may be added to bathwater as a stimulant.





All quotes are from The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants.



Kay



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Subject: Re: Anti-perspirant...Help!

From: vitality@gate.net (vitality@gate.net)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 03:22:43 GMT

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 "Richard J. Ogden" pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>>Sure it works well - it's alum, an *aluminum* salt.  Anti-perspirants work

>>to artificially force the pores closed.  The pores are designed to release

>>perspiration, which both cools the body and rids it of toxins.  Closing the

>>pores is not a good thing to do, no matter how you get it done, but using

>>aluminum salts seems to cause more problems for more people because it can

>>irritate the skin.  There is of course the real possibility that anything

>>applied to the skin can find it's way into the blood stream as well, and you

>>do not want aluminum salts there.

>>

>>One moral of the story is that, just because you get something in a health

>>food store, that doesn't mean you would want it within 10 feet of you... ;-)

>>

>>-RJO



   Hmm, I've had one of these for about 5 or 6 years.  It looks to have

about 2 years or more of useful life left in it.  I didn't get it in a

health food store, and it was only in a plastic ziploc bag with no

label.  I had no idea they were ever claimed to be antiperspirants (I

think these were only called "deodorant stones" at the store I found it

in) and for me, it certainly doesn't act like one - I can be sweating

bullets all day starting from right after application, and the only

difference is that somehow I don't stink.  I like it for that, but if it

actually stopped me from sweating, I wouldn't like it so much because it

wouldn't seem healthy.  Now, the only thing I'm left to wonder is if the

amount of aluminum that gets into my system from it would be harmful.

Because it only cost $8, and good deodorant protection that doesn't

leave a stain on my clothes, all for less than a buck a year, is very

hard to beat!



 -- Vitality









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Subject: Re: Anti-perspirant...Help!

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 01:09:19 GMT

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Seems to me that a normally healthy person doesn't smell bad, what's the need

for deoderants anyhow?





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Subject: Herbs/Hydroponics

From: jon d charrier <jdc01@gnofn.org>

Date: 23 Apr 1998 03:54:54 GMT

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Hello All!



 I am growing an Herb and Vegatable garden and would like to get into

growing them Hydroponicaly. has anyone had great success with herbs and

Hydroponics? Do you get a better quality herb? (for cooking; taste wise)

Any tips for hydroponicaly grown herbs?



I know I may not get a lot of responces to this because 99.99% of all

growers wont ever think of using hydroponics. I know. I've asked.



And i dont see why not.. Everything I read about Hydroponics says how

great it is.. better plants, bigger, tasteier.. in the long run.. cheaper

and you can grow year round with 3 or 4 harvest through cloneing.. So.. I

wonder simply why isn't hydroponic growing more popular??

 Oh and yes.. i Love my herb garden.. the chives, the onions, garlic, (why

is it near impossible to find garlic in nurseries?), tyme, ect.. But the

Best thing you can do with your HERB is Smoke it!!! (hehehe.. kidding.. i

only smoke the cannibis sitiva.. not the chives)

 

Somebody please reply to some of these points.



Thanks bunches!



 Jon C.  aka Firestorm

 (Lock up your daughters, Firestorm is on the loose!)







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Subject: Re: Herbs/Hydroponics

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:29:38 -0400

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jon d charrier wrote in message <6hme2g$icm@junkie.gnofn.org>...

>Hello All!

>

> I am growing an Herb and Vegatable garden and would like to get into

>growing them Hydroponicaly. has anyone had great success with herbs and

>Hydroponics? Do you get a better quality herb? (for cooking; taste wise)

>Any tips for hydroponicaly grown herbs?



Jon, I would say it really depends in the herb you are considering growing.

Many of the traditional European herbs as well as those from the American

Southwest, for example, are natives to rather arid climates, and might

suffer too many disease problems (esp. fungal root rots) grown in the common

hydroponic arrangement.  There is a type of hydroponics that uses sprays of

nutrient solution applied to the roots as a fog or fine mist that might give

better results for these, while others may do just fine with the normal

"drench and drain" approach.



You should of course also bear in mind that many herbs (especially

medicinals) are grown for their *roots*, and I'm not familiar with much work

using hydroponic setups for root crops.  My feeling is that there are few if

any; you would not get the same shape roots (since roots depend on contact

with the soil to some extent) and the content of active compounds might be

diluted by the periodic drenching.



Of course, I merely point these out as cautions.  My guess is that many

herbs grown for their leaves and/or fruits or seeds would do OK in such a

setup.



>I know I may not get a lot of responces to this because 99.99% of all

>growers wont ever think of using hydroponics. I know. I've asked.





Possibly this is because many if not most culinary herbs are imported, and

because many are grown very cheaply on land especially suited to them.

Hydroponics carries a rather heavy setup and maintenance cost, and many

hydroponics operations have folded because they could not produce a saleable

crop for a price competitive with conventional methods.  Look at how much

hydroponic tomatoes cost in the grocery store, compared with the normal

ones.  The quality is very high generally, and some are certainly sold (or

they would quickly disappear) but this consistant quality comes at a much

higher price, and is the result of years of experience (and failures) among

growers of hydroponic tomatoes.  Also, tomatoes are considered a high-price

item generally by growers, so many can afford an occasional crop failure.

By contrast, much of the cost of culinary herbs at the retail level is a

result of the treatment AFTER harvest; drying, cleaning, packaging,

controlled storage, shipping.  So it is less likely you would be able to

recoup the additional expense of a hydroponic operation.



>And i dont see why not.. Everything I read about Hydroponics says how

>great it is.. better plants, bigger, tasteier.. in the long run.. cheaper

>and you can grow year round with 3 or 4 harvest through cloneing.. So.. I

>wonder simply why isn't hydroponic growing more popular??





Hydroponics also requires very specialized techniques of pest control.  I

challange you to show me a single hydroponic operation that utilizes

"organic" control methods.  Greenhouses provide a uniquely friendly

environment to a number of pests that rarely cause serious problems in the

field - spider mites (several species) and whiteflies are especially

troublesome, and are normally managed by a fumigation-type control.

Greenhouses offer the advantage that they can be closed up (at least at

night) and gassed without endangering workers or affecting neighboring farms

and communities.  That's great for tomatoes - mostly the pesticides can be

applied *before* fruiting.  For a crop in which the leaves are harvested,

though, this may present considerably greater problems, assuring that no

pesticide residues remain on the harvested parts.



> Oh and yes.. i Love my herb garden.. the chives, the onions, garlic, (why

>is it near impossible to find garlic in nurseries?),



Because it is SO much cheaper and easier to grow it from the dormant cloves.



>tyme, ect.. But the

>Best thing you can do with your HERB is Smoke it!!! (hehehe.. kidding.. i

>only smoke the cannibis sitiva.. not the chives)





Well, Cannabis is one herb that might pay for itself with a hydroponics

operation, if you consider the possibility of imprisonment unimportant - but

there are other newsgroups for that sort of discussion, I believe.



-Rich











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Subject: Stupid Question re: flax oil?

From: mmcavoy@escape.ca (Michelle)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:05:15 GMT

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I was just wondering......



I find it difficult to swallow flax oil on its own, but I prefer to take the 

liquid form over encapsulated flax oil.... sometimes I'd mix some flax oil in 

yogurt to take it that way, but I don't always want to eat yogurt every day... 

so I tried mixing a tablespoon of flax oil with a glass of orange juice, 

stirring a lot, and then drinking it up quickly.   



My question:  Maybe this is silly, but the orange juice won't "do" anything to 

decrease the effectiveness of the flax oil, will it?



Thanks.





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Subject: Re: Stupid Question re: flax oil?

From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:22:08 -0800

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In article <vUH%.2$PQ2.122862@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>, mmcavoy@escape.ca

(Michelle) wrote:



#I was just wondering......

#

#I find it difficult to swallow flax oil on its own, but I prefer to take the 

#liquid form over encapsulated flax oil.... sometimes I'd mix some flax oil in 

#yogurt to take it that way, but I don't always want to eat yogurt every day... 

#so I tried mixing a tablespoon of flax oil with a glass of orange juice, 

#stirring a lot, and then drinking it up quickly.   

#

#My question:  Maybe this is silly, but the orange juice won't "do" anything to 

#decrease the effectiveness of the flax oil, will it?

#

#Thanks.



Why is the flax oil difficult to swallow? Is it because it burns your

throat, and has a nasty taste?



Flax oil is so very fragile...most 'consumer-grade' flax oil is badly

oxidized by the time it is consumed. It is sold in black bottles (to

exclude light) and must be refrigerated (to slow oxidation).



If flax oil burns your throat, do not use it. If you rub a little on the

inside of your lower lip, and it burns, throw it away.



Orange juice may not degrade flax oil, but of all of the oils you may find

to purchase, flax is the most likely to be unusable at time of purchase. I

seriously question the risk/benefit ratio equation, as stated by the

promotors of this tenuous substance.



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance





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Subject: Re: Stupid Question re: flax oil?

From: mmcavoy@escape.ca (Michelle)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:10:00 GMT

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In article <magus-ya02408000R2304980722080001@nntp.cet.com>, magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==) wrote:



->Why is the flax oil difficult to swallow? Is it because it burns your

->throat, and has a nasty taste?



No, I just find the oilyness and the taste makes me want to gag.



Just to clarify though... the stuff I'm actually using is not entirely flax 

oil, but rather a combination of various oils (I think safflower is one of 

them - can't remember and don't have bottle near me), as well as wheat germ 

oil and medium-chain triglycerides, etc.   It's called Udo's Choice (or 

something to that effect!)



It doesn't burn though.... just makes me want to gag.  





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Subject: Re: Stupid Question re: flax oil?

From: eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:34:51 GMT

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In article <cmM%.19$Db4.99875@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>,

Michelle <mmcavoy@escape.ca> wrote:

>

>Just to clarify though... the stuff I'm actually using is not entirely flax 

>oil, but rather a combination of various oils (I think safflower is one of 

>them - can't remember and don't have bottle near me), as well as wheat germ 

>oil and medium-chain triglycerides, etc.   It's called Udo's Choice (or 

>something to that effect!)

>

>It doesn't burn though.... just makes me want to gag.  



Your senses have evolved over the millenia to tell

wholesome from harmful.  Rotten meat smells bad.  Corpses

smell bad.  Shit smells bad.  Fresh baked bread smells

and tastes good.  Fresh fruit smells good.  Roasted meat

smells good (except to vegans).



Now, don't you think your body is trying to tell

you something when you gag?  I think olive oil has

the best flavor, and science seems to agree that it's

the best (or one of the best) oils from the health

point of view.











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Subject: Re: Stupid Question re: flax oil?

From: mmcavoy@escape.ca (Michelle)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:33:38 GMT

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In article <eeeEs11y3.KIC@netcom.com>, eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:

->Now, don't you think your body is trying to tell

->you something when you gag?  I think olive oil has

->the best flavor, and science seems to agree that it's

->the best (or one of the best) oils from the health

->point of view.



Well, I just don't like the oilyness of it... swallowing a spoonful of oil 

isn't exactly pleasant... it's not really about the quality of the product.





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Subject: Re: Stupid Question re: flax oil?

From: tmpstqueen@aol.com (TmpstQueen)

Date: 28 Apr 1998 12:18:22 GMT

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In article <SKN01.119$Kd4.1368281@typhoon.mbnet.mb.ca>, mmcavoy@escape.ca

(Michelle) writes:



>In article <eeeEs11y3.KIC@netcom.com>, eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:

>->Now, don't you think your body is trying to tell

>->you something when you gag?  I think olive oil has

>->the best flavor, and science seems to agree that it's

>->the best (or one of the best) oils from the health

>->point of view.

>

>Well, I just don't like the oilyness of it... swallowing a spoonful of oil 

>isn't exactly pleasant... it's not really about the quality of the product.

>

>



Am I to understand that you are just guzzling this down straight?!?!?  YUCH!!!

I won't say yeah or nay to flax oil but when I was taking it, I would combine

it in homemade salad dressing, usually italian, also using olive oil rather

than any other kind of oil.  Or would add it to my salad at the same time as

salad dressing and toss real well.  







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Subject: Re: Stupid Question re: flax oil?

From: "nimah" <nimah@gte.net>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:59:26 -0400

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Michelle wrote in message ...

>

>I was just wondering......

>

>I find it difficult to swallow flax oil on its own, but I prefer to take

the

>liquid form over encapsulated flax oil....



Why not try making a salad dressing out of it... since you said it also

contained vegetable oil.. mix in some oregano and garlic and whatever other

flavorings you like and viola` salad dressing... of course since flax oil

oxidizes so quickly you should only make one serving at a time

This is just an idea, I've never tried it myself









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Subject: Re: Stupid Question re: flax oil?

From: witchy@zianet.com (Spirit Explorer)

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:37:48 GMT

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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:05:15 GMT, mmcavoy@escape.ca (Michelle) wrote:



>

>I was just wondering......

>

>I find it difficult to swallow flax oil on its own, but I prefer to take the 

>liquid form over encapsulated flax oil.... sometimes I'd mix some flax oil in 

>yogurt to take it that way, but I don't always want to eat yogurt every day... 

>so I tried mixing a tablespoon of flax oil with a glass of orange juice, 

>stirring a lot, and then drinking it up quickly.   



Why don't you just use the flax seeds in different breads, muffins,

ect.? That way you wouldn't have to worry about taste because they are

great that way. I used to own a bakery and I sold a lot of these

specialty items and they are low in fat, sugar, and salt also. A

number of the recipes I use have honey instead of refined sugar. If

you would like any of my recipes, then just email me and let me know.



Elaine





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Subject: Any Herb Doctor out hear??

From: hera@pacific.net.sg

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:10:57 -0600

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turf wrote,

healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) wrote:





>>to help a person who is a

>>Diabetic which herbs may do more harm than good.

>Try Michael Murray's book: GETTING WELL NATURALLY: DIABETES & HYPERTENSION.



Excellent suggestion, and when I bought it I would also go ahead and

get a bottle  of Enzymatic Therapy Doctor's Choice for Diabetics

multi, which Murray formulated.  He's the "doctor" in their line.



turf



I would like to make another suggestion, that are meant, to treat Diabetes &

Hypertension.

Firstly, I would like to pinpoint, what cause diabetes & Hypertension?

Actually,it is the first occurrance of hypertension (largely, due to stress ),

that affect the digestion and urinurating system. If, left unchecked

(treatment), over a period, diabetes set in. Therefore, in order to 'nip the

problem from its bud',hypertension should be arrested early, so as to avoid

the relating diabetes problem.

How to arrest the hypertension problem?

Very simple, you could do away with herbs, by simply apply accupressure to

a single 'solar plexus' point, that, would take care of the whole hypertension

problem!!!and everything else (the digestion and urinating system) would be

put in place.



For those, who are interested to know more, kindly email me for details!!

This is a community service on health, no money should be mail to me!!

Guaranteed curable, if not, spam me publicly in this room!!



Danny Yang

An asian wholistic physician cum herbalist





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Subject: Diabetes help

From: jon d charrier <jdc01@gnofn.org>

Date: 23 Apr 1998 17:53:29 GMT

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Go and find an HERBALIFE distributor. I used to be one. Thier Formula 1, 2

and 3 have done wonderfull things for diabetes and hypertention. It is al

natural products, safe and regulated by the FDA. Made up of Herbs vitamins

and nutrients Nessassary for a Healthy body. the reason why the products

work so well for Diabetes is it gaves you the best nutrition possible in a

timely way as to help regulate blood sugars.



 I am no longer trying to make money with herbalife, but I do use the

products, i know they Are safe and effective if taken properly, and they

simply DO work. Herbalife suppliments make sure a body gets the Best

nutrition possible. I have personaly witnessed many health problems either

clear up altogether of get drastacly better through better Nutrition. The

Fact is our bodies just dont get the nutrition it needs to be as healthy

as they can be, from the processed food we eat. This was made real to me

after I started taking the products. Dont take my word for it. Find a

local Herbalife distributor in your area, and Try the products. They

encourage you to go to the doctor for a cheakup before and after using the

products, so you will know how safe they are and so you can see how much

they help. Herbalife offers a 100% money back satisfaction garantee.. even

if the products are all used up, up to 30 days. So you Really have nothing

to lose. 

 Simply Try It.



 Jon C. aka Firestorm





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Subject: Re: Diabetes help

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:10:24 GMT

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On 23 Apr 1998 17:53:29 GMT, jon d charrier <jdc01@gnofn.org> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Go and find an HERBALIFE distributor. I used to be one. Thier Formula 1, 2



No, no, no. Herbalife distributors have no idea what's in their products; if

they did, they'd get the same plants -much- cheaper in bulk.

Like, one of the herbs is listed, quite cryptically, as Camellia - that's normal

black tea. Pay a couple of bucks per baggy of that? I don't think so.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: Diabetes help

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:55:11 GMT

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Hello Folks,



When I get clients with Diabetes I always surgest that they eat plenty

of celery, and Use a 3%-5% dilution of Celery Seed {Apium Graveolens}

in a carrier oil.  As this Essential Oil can help in preventing

Glycoma, and is the main cause of blindness in the UK.   



There are other Essential oils that can help folks manage the

condition and the effects, but each person needs to be treated as an

individual.   



On the thread of using HERBALIFE, as I understand it is a MLM

organisation, folks will find the same products cheaper with other

brands.  Also while a distributor may be well meaning, they will not

have the training, experience or knowledge, to properly advise someone

with a condition that has a major effect upon their lives.  Further if

treating any condition was just as simple as reading off a chart or

looking up in a book, it would not take so long to train as a

herbalist, or an aromatherapist, or even as a doctor.  

 

I am not saying that these suppliments dont work, I am just saying

that the person despensing the suppliments, should have propper

trining before handing out these suppliments or advice.  



Anicdotal evidence can be vital in helping making a judgment on a

particular form of treatment, and allows learning to move forward, but

with someone who is selling their particular brand of potion, their is

a vested interest that folks need to bare in mind.



On 23 Apr 1998 17:53:29 GMT, jon d charrier <jdc01@gnofn.org> wrote:



>Go and find an HERBALIFE distributor. I used to be one. 





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Subject: sinus problems

From: shrike76x@aol.com (Shrike76x)

Date: 23 Apr 1998 21:28:59 GMT

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Does any one know a herbal remedy or anything that really does relieve or cure

sinus problems?



Please E-mail response to shrike76x@aol.com



                                                                          

         Thanks





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To: Shrike76x <shrike76x@aol.com>

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: Petra <c-p@pacbell.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:18:13 -0700

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Shrike76x wrote:

> 

> Does any one know a herbal remedy or anything that really does relieve or cure

> sinus problems?

> 

> Please E-mail response to shrike76x@aol.com

> 

> 

>          Thanks



I used to wake up with a stuffy nose and sinus headache. Now I use 

a saline nasal spray before I go to sleep and every time my nose

gets stuffy again. I also take echinecea/goldenseal capsules.

Seems to work.





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Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:41:20 -0800

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In article <1998042321285900.RAA00889@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

shrike76x@aol.com (Shrike76x) wrote:



#Does any one know a herbal remedy or anything that really does relieve or cure

#sinus problems?

#

#Please E-mail response to shrike76x@aol.com

#

#                                                                          

#         Thanks



Sinus problems become chronic when one has learned to unconsciously *sniff*

in reaction to the sensation that mucus is about to run down out of the nostril.



Such _sniffing_ behaviour overcomes, and overwhelms, the natural function

of the sinus, which is a major part of the immune system. The sinus filters

air and captures impurities, which are then trapped in the mucus which is

exuded by the mucus membranes. 



The proper reaction to sinus irritation is to gently blow your nose. Avoid

swallowing mucus (we already 'insensibly' swallow about a pint per day).



Become conscious of any _sniffling_ behaviour, and blow your nose. This is

what I have tought my clients for about 25 years, and it really does work.



Aside from that, be sure you re not dehydrated, and use vitamin C (I suggest

Alacer Emer-Gen-C bulk powder) several times per day. There are many

'remedies' available of various usefulness...but without interrupting the

behaviour of sniffing, sinus problems will persist.



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance





==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 13:55:16 GMT

--------

Hello,



There is an Aromatherapy remedy.  



First an inhalation of 



	Cajuput 		{Melalecua Minor} 	2 drops

	Eucalyptus 	{Eucalyptus Globulus}	1 drop

	Niaouli		{Melaleuca Viridiflora}	2 drops



In a bowl of very hot water you drop the oils in and sit with a towl

over your head for about 10 mins.   This can be done once a day.

You can also add the same oils to 5ml {One teaspoon} of carrier oil,

and gently massage the face, the decongestic properties of the oils

will work on clearing the sinus channals with the action of the

massage helping them drain.   



I hope this helps.

 

On 23 Apr 1998 21:28:59 GMT, shrike76x@aol.com (Shrike76x) wrote:



>Does any one know a herbal remedy or anything that really does relieve or cure

>sinus problems?

>

>Please E-mail response to shrike76x@aol.com

>

>                                                                          

>         Thanks



Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

            Remove the spam guard to reply

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

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==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores)

Date: 27 Apr 1998 11:58:00 -0700

--------

My  personal solution is a little different...

I learned to eat Ayurvedic for Kapha.

No wheat, no milk, and I take Stinging Nettle when the season is

bad..... it is very bad here now!

I have very few sinus or allergy problems  now.

My best to you on your journey to find what works for you.  Susan in

Phoenix



ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter) wrote:



>Hello,



>There is an Aromatherapy remedy.  



>First an inhalation of 



>	Cajuput 		{Melalecua Minor} 	2 drops

>	Eucalyptus 	{Eucalyptus Globulus}	1 drop

>	Niaouli		{Melaleuca Viridiflora}	2 drops



>In a bowl of very hot water you drop the oils in and sit with a towl

>over your head for about 10 mins.   This can be done once a day.

>You can also add the same oils to 5ml {One teaspoon} of carrier oil,

>and gently massage the face, the decongestic properties of the oils

>will work on clearing the sinus channals with the action of the

>massage helping them drain.   



>I hope this helps.

> 

>On 23 Apr 1998 21:28:59 GMT, shrike76x@aol.com (Shrike76x) wrote:



>>Does any one know a herbal remedy or anything that really does relieve or cure

>>sinus problems?

>>

>>Please E-mail response to shrike76x@aol.com

>>

>>                                                                          

>>         Thanks



>Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

>            Remove the spam guard to reply

>Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

>http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html









==========

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:13:23 GMT

--------

Hi folks,



As my main area of experience and knowledge is with Aromatherapy, I am

only "Qualified" to offer possible solutions from my experience.  As

others here will know far more about using herbs to heal than I do I

am here to learn too.  But the point I am trying to make is, others

are better qualified to offer help on herbs than do I but I will

always offer any AT related experience that I can ;-)



On 27 Apr 1998 11:58:00 -0700, phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet

Stores) wrote:



>My  personal solution is a little different...

>I learned to eat Ayurvedic for Kapha.

>No wheat, no milk, and I take Stinging Nettle when the season is

>bad..... it is very bad here now!

>I have very few sinus or allergy problems  now.

>My best to you on your journey to find what works for you.  Susan in

>Phoenix

>

>ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter) wrote:

>

>>Hello,

>

>>There is an Aromatherapy remedy.  

>

>>First an inhalation of 

>

>>	Cajuput 		{Melalecua Minor} 	2 drops

>>	Eucalyptus 	{Eucalyptus Globulus}	1 drop

>>	Niaouli		{Melaleuca Viridiflora}	2 drops

>

>>In a bowl of very hot water you drop the oils in and sit with a towl

>>over your head for about 10 mins.   This can be done once a day.

>>You can also add the same oils to 5ml {One teaspoon} of carrier oil,

>>and gently massage the face, the decongestic properties of the oils

>>will work on clearing the sinus channals with the action of the

>>massage helping them drain.   

>

>>I hope this helps.

>> 

>>On 23 Apr 1998 21:28:59 GMT, shrike76x@aol.com (Shrike76x) wrote:

>

>>>Does any one know a herbal remedy or anything that really does relieve or cure

>>>sinus problems?

>>>

>>>Please E-mail response to shrike76x@aol.com

>>>

>>>                                                                          

>>>         Thanks

>

>>Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

>>            Remove the spam guard to reply

>>Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

>>http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html

>

>



Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

            Remove the spam guard to reply

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==========

To: Shrike76x <shrike76x@aol.com>

Subject: Re: sinus problems

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:57:04 -0700

--------

Hello,

I belong to a sinusitus ng, very informative.  I'll tell you what I take:

*Papaya enzyme dissolved between cheek and gum, as directed on the bottle (thins

secretions, reduces inflammation)-got this from Dr. Grossan's (ENT) web page.

Cayenne capsule (3x) w/meals, good for circulation, I've read it counteracts the

formation of mucus.

Garlic good for just about everything

Echinacea, to fight infection, when I fear a sinus infection, or cold coming on.

*Steam, extremely helpful, I have a steam humidifier that I run by the bed over

night.    Thins sucretions, you'll notice an increase in either post nasal drip or

blowing your nose.

*Lots of water, I fill a 32oz cup at least 2x a day and have it w/me.  If it's

there and handy, you'll find it easy to down.  (and I don't like water)

Irrigating w/Alkalol (actually, I'm considering changing to Saline w/out

preservatives...I can get a recipe to you if you like), 2-3x a day.

There's a good book on holistic treatment of Sinus called "Sinus Survival" by

Robert Ivker, D.O.

If you need anything else, or some Web page addresses, feel free to email.

Best of Luck,

June

Shrike76x wrote:



> Does any one know a herbal remedy or anything that really does relieve or cure

> sinus problems?

>

> Please E-mail response to shrike76x@aol.com

>

>

>          Thanks











==========

Subject: Beginner

From: galvcelt@aol.com (GalvCelt)

Date: 23 Apr 1998 22:16:21 GMT

--------

con someone tell me what are some basic herbs for a biginner to have in a

garden....thanks





==========

Subject: Re: Beginner

From: mk95528@cyberramp.net

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:39:30 GMT

--------

Hi GalvCelt -



Consider looking around the local nursery's seed shelf for the common

seeds in those little packets to start out with. Try your hand first

with their basic herb seeds and bulbs. Then just watch your garden

grow. You might just decide not to pull some of those weeds too. 

From there you might need to identify some of those local volunteers.

(-:



Sincerely;



Margie

http://www.cyberramp.net/~mk95528/margie.htm



On 23 Apr 1998 22:16:21 GMT, galvcelt@aol.com (GalvCelt) wrote:



>con someone tell me what are some basic herbs for a biginner to have in a

>garden....thanks







==========

Subject: Re: Beginner

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:15:25 GMT

--------

On 23 Apr 1998 22:16:21 GMT, galvcelt@aol.com (GalvCelt) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>con someone tell me what are some basic herbs for a biginner to have in a

>garden



Identify the most abundant weeds you have in your garden, and check a couple of

herbals on uses for them. Then you don't have to grow them, -and- you don't have

to weed your garden ;)



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: Beginner

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 24 Apr 1998 16:45:16 GMT

--------

>Subject: Re: Beginner

>From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

>Date: Thu, Apr 23, 1998 16:15 EDT

>Message-id: <3544a11e.1250971@news.theriver.com>



>Identify the most abundant weeds you have in your garden, and check a couple

>of

>herbals on uses for them. Then you don't have to grow them, -and- you don't

>have

>to weed your garden ;)

>

>Henriette



LOL!! LOL!!!  That's so true.  When I was just starting out on this path there

were so many plants that I yanked out of the yard and garden thinking they were

 "just weeds".  When I bought  my first full color herbal book I was amazed at

just how useful most of those "weeds" were.

Beth

The Truth is Out There





==========

Subject: Re: Beginner

From: "drakwld5" <wandapease@bigfoot.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:54:39 -0700

--------

LOL!!!  Excellent advice!.  Last year I went to the local nursery and

searched for St. John's Wort.  They had only the decorative type.  When I

came home I went out into my front flower beds and started weeding, until my

knowledgeable friend pointed out the "weed" I was pulling was the same St.

John's Wort I had been searching for.  After that she and I did a walk

through of my neglected backyard/weed patch and she identified, Angelica,

lemon balm, chocolate mint (!?) columbine, wild trillium, hollyhock, and

something called "herb Robert".  This is an old house, but I had the back

yard tilled when I moved in.  All sorts of surprises lurk out there if you

aren't locked in to the standard oregano, thyme, sage mindset.  Remember,

it's only a weed if you don't know what do do with it at the moment.



Anyone know a use for Herb Robert.  It's really very pretty.



Henriette Kress wrote in message <3544a11e.1250971@news.theriver.com>...

>On 23 Apr 1998 22:16:21 GMT, galvcelt@aol.com (GalvCelt) wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>con someone tell me what are some basic herbs for a biginner to have in a

>>garden

>

>Identify the most abundant weeds you have in your garden, and check a

couple of

>herbals on uses for them. Then you don't have to grow them, -and- you don't

have

>to weed your garden ;)

>











==========

Subject: Re: Beginner

From: Dela Lovecraft <dela@starmail.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 02:05:15 +0100

--------

drakwld5 wrote:



> Anyone know a use for Herb Robert.  It's really very pretty.

>



Well, I was once told that chewing the leaves was good for clearing up mouth

ulcers, and I have to say it does seem to work. Also, heat up a little wine and

infuse a table-spoon of chopped herb Robert for ten minutes or so. When drunk,

it acts as a very effective laxative!!!



And I agree - it is very pretty :-)





Dela Lovecraft











==========

Subject: Re: Beginner

From: redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04)

Date: 24 Apr 1998 16:48:12 GMT

--------

>con someone tell me what are some basic herbs for a biginner to have in a

>garden....thanks



The easiest grow is probably mint.  Stuff takes off like wild fire and you

can't kill it if you try. :)  Chamomile is also good and grows freely and

easily.  Lemon Balm (member of the mint family) is one of my all time

favorites.



Look around and figure out what it is that you want to grow, no sense in

growing something you don't really want.  Then find out what will grow well in

your area.



Good luck with your new garden.

Beth

The Truth is Out There





==========

Subject: Re: Beginner

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 00:51:59 GMT

--------

You don't give where you are, but the suggestion of trying your local nursey is

excellent. Many nurseries are getting more knowledgable about the medicinal

herbs (if they aren't, ask about culinary -- there is usually a cross-over).



The Rodale book on herb gardening is pretty good. Penelope Ody's book, Home

Herbal, has quite a bit of gardening advice as well as showing how to use the

herbs after you harvest them. Herbal Emissaries by Foster discusses growing the

Asian herbs and roots used in traditional Chinese medicine.



But really, Heinrette's advice is just classic. I nearly spilled my herbal tea,

I was laughing so hard, and that would not have been healthy for the keyboard!



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





==========

Subject: White Clover

From: Sara <crin83@asbank.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 18:29:20 -0500

--------

Someone told me that the white and pink clovers make good teas. Is this

true?



-Sara

aira@unforgettable.com







==========

Subject: Re: White Clover

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 26 Apr 1998 14:50:40 GMT

--------

Red clover makes a wonderful tea, as for white or pink I've not tried them. Red

clover is also good for you. Pick it when it is just opening, dry them so that

they are not touching and make your tea or infusion. I add a little honey.





==========

Subject: NEED TO FIND BOOKS FOR SCHOOL

From: Cookie <amsarra@ptd.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 00:18:07 GMT

--------

Hi!

	I apologize for the intrusion, but I am desperately in need of books

(at a reasonable price!!!) for my Herbology course.

	If anyone has the following books and is interested in selling them

please mailto:amsarra@ptd.net



	The Herb Book by John C. Lust

	Field Guide to Edible Wild Herbs

	Fighting Radiation and Chemical Pollutants with Foods, Herbs, and

Vitamins

	Cancer Therapy by Gerson

	Nutritional Herbology by Pederson

	Bach Flower Remedies

	Indian Herbology of North America

	New Age Herbalist

	Modern Herbal Volumes 1 & 2

	How to Get Well by Airola

	There Is A Cure for Arthritis by Airola

	Holistic Protocol for the Immune System - Important for AIDS, HIV, CMV

	Oriental Materia Medica

	Beating Cancer With Nutrition



	Thank you for your time!

Sincerely

Ann Marie Sarra

mailto:amsarra@ptd.net





==========

Subject: Re: NEED TO FIND BOOKS FOR SCHOOL

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 00:51:57 GMT

--------

In article <353FDA3E.5DE6@ptd.net>, Cookie <amsarra@ptd.net> writes:

>Hi!

>	I apologize for the intrusion, but I am desperately in need of books

>(at a reasonable price!!!) for my Herbology course.

>	If anyone has the following books and is interested in selling them

>please mailto:amsarra@ptd.net



A lot of these are pretty old, so you might check the used book databases too

such as:

http://www.abebooks.com/



We carry a listing of sale books on our site -- I'm not sure I've got any of

these titles, but they're all 30% off or more, and the price includes shipping.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





==========

Subject: Re: NEED TO FIND BOOKS FOR SCHOOL

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 22:14:37 GMT

--------

I have most of these books --some of which I have found at used bookstores.Am

not ready to part with them but most you can get in paperback. Check Amazon

books. and good luck w/ your search!





==========

Subject: Re: Phototox...SJW...none

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 23 Apr 1998 18:58:01 -0700

--------

Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:



>Tired of hearing speculation on phototoxicity of SJW.  



Kerry - 

  Look for my post on DejaNews on that subject: I cite research,

not speculation, about SJW and it's photo-sensitizing effects on

various species.

  Also, with any substance, individual reactions are just that -

individual. I'm immune to poison oak, while others get a severe

dermatitis. Others can eat soy-burgers while I get severe

gastritis.  Withg more people taking SJW now than in the past,

the chances of an idiosyncratic reaction surfacing are greater.









==========

Subject: Re: Phototox...SJW...none

From: "Shailagh Collins" <shailagh@NOSPAMprivatei.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:52:20 -0600

--------

I can certainly give evidence of photosensitivity when taking SJW. I'm

just coming off a horrible reaction to sunlight. I had been inside

most of the winter and had been taking SJW. Just recently spring

arrived and I'd been out on my bicycle about a half hour per day.

Noticed that my face was completely rashed. Stopped the SJW <I use it

for S.A.D.> and within 2 days it's almost all cleared up.



S.



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <353ff0e6.612745@news.primenet.com>...

|Kerry Grace <rgrace@intergate.bc.ca> wrote:

|

|>Tired of hearing speculation on phototoxicity of SJW.

|

|Kerry -

|  Look for my post on DejaNews on that subject: I cite research,

|not speculation, about SJW and it's photo-sensitizing effects on

|various species.

|  Also, with any substance, individual reactions are just that -

|individual. I'm immune to poison oak, while others get a severe

|dermatitis. Others can eat soy-burgers while I get severe

|gastritis.  Withg more people taking SJW now than in the past,

|the chances of an idiosyncratic reaction surfacing are greater.

|

|









==========

Subject: Australasian College of Herbal Studies

From: spicel@matai.vuw.ac.nz (Yanost)

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:34:21 GMT

--------



Has anyone heard of this college and know anything of its reputation?

It looks really good in the prospectus, but I believe they are rather

new.



John







==========

Subject: Eustacian tube dysfunction

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 24 Apr 1998 11:18:20 GMT

--------

Howdy all-

    My ears have been horribly plugged for a couple months now and I finally

went to the doctor and this is what he diagnosed.He suggested Sudafed.Any ideas

out there as Sudafed turns me into zombie phyco mama.

    TIA Marianne





==========

Subject: Re: Eustacian tube dysfunction

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:55:34 -0400

--------

Don't know what else you've tried, but sometimes applying gentle heat, as

from a hot pad (eg. electric or hot water bottle) can give relief.  Try

abstaining from dairy products for a few days or a week, as well, as some

people seem to react to dairy by producing excess mucous and inflammation of

the mucous membranes.  In my case, I can usually handle milk and dairy fine

except during our bad pollen seasons here in Florida, when it tends to

aggravate the situation.



-Rich



Magda2 wrote in message <1998042411182000.HAA11417@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Howdy all-

>    My ears have been horribly plugged for a couple months now and I

finally

>went to the doctor and this is what he diagnosed.He suggested Sudafed.Any

ideas

>out there as Sudafed turns me into zombie phyco mama.

>    TIA Marianne









==========

Subject: Re: Eustacian tube dysfunction

From: carole.raymond@bigfoot.com (Carole Raymond)

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:23:24 GMT

--------

I've been told that Freeze Dried Nettles are a good natural

decongestant.  This works pretty well for me, but make sure you drink

plenty of water as it seems to also work as a natural diuretic.



--Carole





On 24 Apr 1998 11:18:20 GMT, magda2@aol.com (Magda2) wrote:



>Howdy all-

>    My ears have been horribly plugged for a couple months now and I finally

>went to the doctor and this is what he diagnosed.He suggested Sudafed.Any ideas

>out there as Sudafed turns me into zombie phyco mama.

>    TIA Marianne







==========

Subject: Re: Eustacian tube dysfunction

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 25 Apr 1998 01:59:36 GMT

--------



Magda2 wrote in message <1998042411182000.HAA11417@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Howdy all-

>    My ears have been horribly plugged for a couple months now and I

finally

>went to the doctor and this is what he diagnosed.He suggested Sudafed.Any

ideas

>out there as Sudafed turns me into zombie phyco mama.

>    TIA Marianne





I would suggest that you might consider the possibility of sinus infection

as adding to this problem rather a lot.   The same herbs which work well for

sinus might be helpful, but in the case of really severe problems, you still

may have to go the medical route.



I find that rinsing the nasal passages AM and PM with "Alkalol" is extremely

helpful to get rid of dust and allergenic stuff like pollen that tends to

gather there and reduce inflammations.



Reduce, preferably eliminate dairy products....they really do add to

"clogging"



Herbs which I find helpful;



Astragalus

Echinacea

Golden Seal

Nettles



Golden Seal especially has a decongestant effect, Nettles more of an

antihistimine, and the Astragalus and Echinacea are more immune boosters and

good for clearing up infections.









==========

Subject: Re: Eustacian tube dysfunction

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 11:12:50 GMT

--------

Thanks for all the great ideas for ETD.I have never had allergies so this is

kinda weird for me.I do drink my own nettle tea everyday but for iron and

calcium boost.My hubby and kids take the ffreeze-dried nettle from the Eclectic

Institute.Even my husband says it worked and he can be wary of trying anything

herbal.I have my own echinacea tincture but will definitely purchase the

goldenseal.I do not feel as if I have a sinus thing going on. No nasal pressure

at all---- My ears just feel as if I have  I am listening to the ocean all the

time; with pressure.Also just purchased a heating pad last nite. Will try that.

   Thanks again------ Marianne





==========

Subject: Re: Eustacian tube dysfunction

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 05:27:00 -0700

--------

magda2@aol.com (Magda2) wrote:



>Howdy all-

>    My ears have been horribly plugged for a couple months now and I finally

>went to the doctor and this is what he diagnosed.He suggested Sudafed.Any ideas

>out there as Sudafed turns me into zombie phyco mama.



  You may have something called "alllergic otitis media" -

allergies affecting the internal parts of the ear, which usually

has a low-grade infection along with it.  General effect is

"clogginess" that lasts a long time.

  Try a couple weeks treatment of echinacea.  It's an

anti-inflammatory anti-allergy herb along with its other

properties.  Just use the regular capsule stuff at the

recommended dose.  And take one of the antibacterial herbs: thyme

has recently started showng up in capsules, and has a very active

antibacterial ingredient.

  The suggestion of heat treatments is good, and also drink lots

of water to thin the mucus inside the ear.





==========

Subject: Re: Eustacian tube dysfunction

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 22:09:57 GMT

--------

Thanks Tsu-----

   Could be I have an infection going on because I feel warmer than usual and

sweat alot at night.My hubby says I am drenched at times.Thanks for the

advice.I am assuming I can remain with my own home-made echinacea tincture as

opposed to buying the pills.Thanks again!!!!! Marianne





==========

Subject: Re: Eustacian tube dysfunction

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 23:51:58 GMT

--------

On 24 Apr 1998 11:18:20 GMT, magda2@aol.com (Magda2) wrote:



>Howdy all-

>    My ears have been horribly plugged for a couple months now and I finally

>went to the doctor and this is what he diagnosed.He suggested Sudafed.Any ideas

>out there as Sudafed turns me into zombie phyco mama.

>    TIA Marianne



Hmm... I suffer from something similar every year, and I've found that

what works for me are "Fishermans Friend" brand throat lozenges.  Be

warned, they are **extremely** strong, but they act on the sinuses

with a similar effect to Drano on the sink.  If you can get them, give

them a shot - just suck on one, and then try to "pop" your ears to

help the goo drain out.  Also, try swallowing megadoses of Vitamin C

to deal with any infections (as far as I'm aware, any excess is

filtered out in your urine, however, I may be wrong) - my usual is to

buy a packet of the 1000mg chewable tablets, and just munch on them at

a rate of about 3 or 4 per day.



Another thing to do is to cut down completely on milk and dairy

products (including chocolate <sob, sniff>) as well as increasing your

water intake.  The reduction in milk products should slow down the

mucous production for a while; the increase in water intake may

increase the mucous flow for a while, but not being dehydrated is

always a good start for your body.



Hope that helps.  Best wishes.



-- 

Meg, The Magpie... AFPlump, AFPetite, AFPerth...

Committee Member DWConXXXX2K

(and why *shouldn't* I have all the fun?)





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Subject: Chinese Spelling (Was Re: High Blood Pressure and Acupressure)

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 00:51:56 GMT

--------

In article <6hod3b$pe9$1@samba.rahul.net>, Karen Kay <karen@wordwrite.com>

writes:

>> The same hard-of-hearing guy that spelled

>> Beijing "Peking?"

>This isn't a matter of being hard of hearing, it's a matter of

>dialect difference.



Actually it's the British Colonial post office system, which rewrote the names

of many cities including Canton (Guangzhou). The current romanization system

used by the People's Republic is called "pinyin" -- hence "qi" with the "q"

representing a "ch" sound.  The earlier system used by most of the West was

called Wade-Giles, hence "chi" or "ch'i".   



Since the 1970s, the pinyin system has become more popular. Most Western

schools use it in Chinese language courses as being more phonetically correct

-- but then there's Yale, which has their own system. My publisher used the

Wade-Giles spelling of qi because it was consist with other books that they

had. Having waded through dozens of acupuncture school catalogs, I saw both

used interchangably -- so a consensus has not been reached.



This is why herbs books can be confusing depending on where the authors are

picking up the names of Chinese herbs, and why having the Latin name or Chinese

characters are so important. 



And if you're wondering how I'm qualified to natter on about this, I spent 2

years studying Chinese, including three months living in Beijing, and I once

ordered ice and had the waitor tell me that he was healthy. I got my tones

wrong and  asked if he had a cold, instead of  ice. Chinese is a tonal

language, and no matter how you pronounce the romanization, you're not saying

it as the Chinese would.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

author: Educational & Career Opportunities In Alternative Medicine

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





==========

Subject: SJW for tourettes syndrome?

From: halifax_@rocketmail.com (treesrcool)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:37:43 GMT

--------

Heard this mentioned on the group,is SJW beneficial for tourettes?





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Subject: Dandelions

From: RhiannonWitch@webtv.net

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 12:10:55 -0400

--------

Hi everyone.

                 Rhiannon here.

Here in the North East of the United States, young tender dandelions are

popping up all over the yard.  I remember the task of digging them up

(root and all) for my nana who use to prepare them to eat.  My question

is what parts can I eat and how do you prepare them?  I just remember

eating the leaves steamed with butter and vinager.  I know they're

loaded with iron and i'm anemic. I plan to dig them up today.  I just

want to make sure I'm not wasting any part of the plant that may be

edible. Also can you freeze the plant cooked or fresh?

Thanks in advance to all who reply.

                                     Blessings,

                                           Rhiannon





==========

Subject: Re: Dandelions

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 26 Apr 1998 07:38:00 -0700

--------

RhiannonWitch@webtv.net wrote:



>Hi everyone.

>                 Rhiannon here.

>Here in the North East of the United States, young tender dandelions are

>popping up all over the yard.

  They are SELLING THEM IN NURSERIES HERE!  I burst out laughing,

but the yuppies are planting them as a salad green!  We used to

just go harvest them from the yard.  

> My question is what parts can I eat and how do you prepare them? 

All parts are edible.  It's a diuretic - french common name is

Piss-in-the-bed - so don't overdo.



  Leaves - young ones as a fresh salad ingredient or cooked

            vegetable (older ones are tough if not cooked)

           pretend they are spinach for recipe purposes.

  Flowers - edible as a garnish, or you CAN make dandelion wine

            from them.

  Roots - used in salads (I assume washed and sliced?

          Or dried, then roasted and ground as a coffee

substitute







==========

Subject: Re: Dandelions

From: "Flagship" <jriggs38@erols.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 16:16:17 -0400

--------



I make a batter (Light) and dip the flowers into it and fry them a bit till

1/2 cooked great as snacks.









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Subject: Re: Dandelions

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 28 Apr 1998 22:00:34 GMT

--------



RhiannonWitch@webtv.net wrote in message

<6ht1uf$ous$1@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...

Hi everyone.

                 Rhiannon here.

Here in the North East of the United States, young tender dandelions are

popping up all over the yard.  I remember the task of digging them up

(root and all) for my nana who use to prepare them to eat.  My question

is what parts can I eat and how do you prepare them?  I just remember

eating the leaves steamed with butter and vinager.  I know they're

loaded with iron and i'm anemic. I plan to dig them up today.  I just

want to make sure I'm not wasting any part of the plant that may be

edible. Also can you freeze the plant cooked or fresh?

Thanks in advance to all who reply.

                                     Blessings,

                                           Rhiannon



Hi Rhiannon,



You should check out an italian cookbook for a really authentic recipe.....

If I am not mistaken the leaves are gently parboiled for a moment or two,

then removed and prepared with a vinaigrette dressing with garlic, and then

baked for a short time to blend all the flavors.   I DO remember it was

absolutely delicious.



Evelyn









==========

Subject: herbal schools/internships

From: kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 18:09:35 GMT

--------

anyone who has any info on schools or internships for herbalism/holistic

healing/nutrition please email me thank u!!!!

sara :)

***check out my webpage!!!   http://members.aol.com/kyndthreds/kynd.html***

"mellow mood has got me darlin', let the music rock me, darlin' " -marley <3





==========

Subject: Re: herbal schools/internships

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 21:01:41 GMT

--------

In article <1998042518093500.OAA18695@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds) writes:

>anyone who has any info on schools or internships for herbalism/holistic

>healing/nutrition please email me thank u



Having actually written the book on this (500+ pages in its raw manuscript

form), I safely can say that you need to clarify what type of information that

you're looking for:

A program that qualifies you for licensure (and what type of license do you

want)

Fieldwork with a herbalist like Michael Moore (and where do you want to do it)

A distance learning program that lets you study at home for your own knowledge

A CEU (continuing education units) for your current health license



What type of "holistic healing" are you interested in? European? Native

American? Traditional Chinese medicine? Ayurveda? 



Regards,

Rosemary Jones

author: Educational And Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

ISBN 0761512446 (yeah, it's on amazon.com), Prima Publishing, April 1998

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com





==========

Subject: Re: herbal schools/internships

From: "nimah" <nimah@gte.net>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:09:59 -0400

--------

KyndThreds wrote in message

<1998042518093500.OAA18695@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>anyone who has any info on schools or internships for herbalism/holistic

>healing/nutrition please email me thank u!!!!

>sara :)





I recently received a prospectus from the British Institute of Homeopathy

and Complementary Medicine. Let me say that **I don't know anything about

them except for what is in their prospectus.** They offer classes via home

study for diplomas or certifications in several areas of homeopathy

including things like: Veterinary Basics, general homeopathy, Pharmacy

Basic, and several graduate courses as well as "clinical training with a

homeopath of their choice upon approval of the director of the institute"

Their address is:

The British Institute of Homeopathy and Complementary Medicine

520 Washington Blvd., Suite 423

Marina Del Rey, CA 90292









==========

Subject: Re: herbal schools/internships

From: susieq5207@aol.com (SusieQ5207)

Date: 27 Apr 1998 05:43:41 GMT

--------

hi there

California of Herbal Studies in Forestville has classes...their phone number is

707-887-7457...Michael Tierra of EastWest has a correspondence course...his

number is 408-336-5010...Jeanne Rose has written many herbal books and has a

correspondence course...her phone number is 415-564-6785...Bastyr College of

Naturopathy..their phone is 206-823-1300...the naturopahy college in Portland,

Oregon...can be called at 503-255-4860...Therapeutic Herbalism has a

course...by David Hoffman....phone...707-544-7210 and Susun Weed has classes

and videos...her number is 914-246-8081...there many great schools and courses

out there....hope the above information can help you some...

Susie





==========

Subject: Re: herbal schools/internships

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 29 Apr 1998 20:56:45 GMT

--------

In article <1998042705434100.BAA14245@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

susieq5207@aol.com (SusieQ5207) writes:



>.Bastyr College of

>Naturopathy..their phone is 206-823-1300...the naturopahy college in

>Portland,

>Oregon...can be called at 503-255-4860...



Just to update:

Bastyr University moved in 1997 and their new phone number is:

(425) 823-1300  Web page at: http://www.bastyr.edu



National College of Naturopathic Medicine in Portland also moved to a larger

campus and their phone number is (503) 499-4343. The web page is at

http://www.ncnm.edu/



Both colleges offer a professional graduate degree in doctor of naturopathic

medicine. If you're interested, you should be aware that they enter only one

class a year in September and the application deadline is February 2. Bastyr

also offers master's degrees in acupuncture and nutrition as well as a bachelor

of science in natural health sciences. All of these programs are residential

programs.



Bastyr does have a distance learning program -- this is not a degree program

(i.e. you can't earn a masters or ND through it) but the classes may earn you

undergraduate credits. You can call the number above or check their web site

for more information.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

ISBN: 0761512446

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm





==========

Subject: male pattern baldness help!!!

From: kyndthreds@aol.com (KyndThreds)

Date: 25 Apr 1998 18:10:34 GMT

--------

does anyone know of any natural things to do to stop/reverse this??   please

email me if u have any info thanks!!!!



***check out my webpage!!!   http://members.aol.com/kyndthreds/kynd.html***

"mellow mood has got me darlin', let the music rock me, darlin' " -marley <3





==========

Subject: Eggshells

From: "Gerald Pipkin" <taybist@color-country.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:47:18 -0700

--------

Anyone have any info onusing dried powdered egshells as a source of calcium?









==========

Subject: Re: Eggshells

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Apr 1998 17:25:01 -0700

--------

"Gerald Pipkin" <taybist@color-country.net> wrote:



>Anyone have any info onusing dried powdered egshells as a source of calcium?



Nothing official, but the main ingredient in the shells is

calcium, so it's reasonable.







==========

Subject: Re: Eggshells

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 06:52:48 GMT

--------

On 27 Apr 1998 17:25:01 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>"Gerald Pipkin" <taybist@color-country.net> wrote:

>

>>Anyone have any info onusing dried powdered egshells as a source of calcium?

>

>Nothing official, but the main ingredient in the shells is

>calcium, so it's reasonable.



It's an excellent source of calcium if you're a hen. However, humans have

trouble getting it as it's not easily digested.

If you want a good source of calcium try a tea of eg. nettles, green oat straw,

alfalfa, red clover... drink any of them hot.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: Eggshells

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 28 Apr 1998 22:08:07 GMT

--------



Henriette Kress wrote in message <354b7c57.2950076@news.theriver.com>...

>On 27 Apr 1998 17:25:01 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>"Gerald Pipkin" <taybist@color-country.net> wrote:

>>

>>>Anyone have any info onusing dried powdered egshells as a source of

calcium?

>>

>>Nothing official, but the main ingredient in the shells is

>>calcium, so it's reasonable.

>

>It's an excellent source of calcium if you're a hen. However, humans have

>trouble getting it as it's not easily digested.

>If you want a good source of calcium try a tea of eg. nettles, green oat

straw,

>alfalfa, red clover... drink any of them hot.

>

>Henriette





Hi Henriette and Gerald,



For the very best source of Calcium from a plant source, try the sea

vegetables.



Wakame.... soak first, cut out the center spine from the leaves, then treat

it like a spinach type product - add to soup for a really great taste.  Also

used in salads.



Hijiki........... a bit fishy tasting, but very rich in minerals.   I have

seen it used in a salad with a vinaigrette.



Dulse.......... smoky tasting... can be eaten like a snack dried as it

comes.  Instead of a bacon lettuce and tomato sandwich, substitute the Dulse

for the bacon.



Kombu........ best tasting broth, use it when cooking any kind of dried

beans instead of ham etc.   Great tasting broth.  It dissolves completely

when the beans are cooked.



Nori.......... Comes in sheets, it is that black leafy product that is

rolled up with rice and pickles in sushi bars.   Also has a very nice taste.



All of the sea vegetables are LOADED with calcium, even better than milk I

understand and in a very useable form.  Not only calcium but lots of other

minerals as well.



Yes it takes some experimenting and some getting used to.  Get a japanese or

macrobiotic cookbook for suggestions on how to use them.



Regards,

Evelyn









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Subject: Re: Eggshells

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:51:47 -0500

--------

 Calcium carbonate is the most widely used form of calcium. Most brands are made from eggshells or oyster shells. 

Forms of calcium that are in a formula including an antacid are the worst forms to use. First, they are from a shell source, making them less soluble, and second, by reducing the acid in the stomach, you reduce the absorption of calcium.

A better calcium would be a liquid one.



How to increase the available calcium:

Take adequate Vitamin C, D, and magnesium.

Exercise

Eat nuts, legumes, sardines, oysters, soybeans, wheat germ, cabbage and turnip greens.

Take a liquid supplement of 1000 to 1500 mg. a day.

--Must be absorbable by the body.

--No pressed tablets-these use shellac type substance to hold them together, and are indigestible.

--No Tums-the purpose of Tums is to stop digestion and allow whatever is in the stomach to pass on to the intestines. This includes calcium.

--Look for an easily absorbable liquid.

--Milk actually decreases the availability of calcium to the body (because of pasteurization.) Calves fed pasteurized milk will die in approximately 6 weeks.





-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Eggshells

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:13:17 GMT

--------

Hello,



I am not sure if it is "Urban Myth" but I understand that during the

War {World war two} in the UK powdered egg shells were included in the

food prepared for the Armed services as a way of trying to ensure a

ballanced diets during a period when food was rationed.  



I have no idea, if true, if it worked.  



Just my 2 worth {Inflation You know}





On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 11:47:18 -0700, "Gerald Pipkin"

<taybist@color-country.net> wrote:



>Anyone have any info onusing dried powdered egshells as a source of calcium?

>

>



Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

            Remove the spam guard to reply

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html





==========

Subject: Re: Eggshells

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:37:32 GMT

--------

On 29 Apr 1998 17:25:29 GMT, terwur@aol.com (Terwur) wrote:



>>I am not sure if it is "Urban Myth" but I understand that during the

>>War {World war two} in the UK powdered egg shells were included in the

>>food prepared for the Armed services as a way of trying to ensure a

>>ballanced diets during a period when food was rationed.  

>>

>

>I think that should be powdered eggs.

>

No I understand that the egg shells from the real eggs that were used

to make the powdered eggs were also used.





Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

            Remove the spam guard to reply

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html





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Subject: Herbal images

From: grt <grt12@asan.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:24:01 +0000

--------

Hi, does anybody know of any web sights where I can find high quality

color botanical illustrations, I am especially looking for images of

medicinal and culinary herbs. An e-mail or response to the group would

be nice,  Much thanks



Greg







==========

Subject: Re: Herbal images

From: "nimah" <nimah@gte.net>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 12:18:19 -0400

--------



grt wrote in message <35431951.2203FFF@asan.com>...

>Hi, does anybody know of any web sights where I can find high quality

>color botanical illustrations, I am especially looking for images of

>medicinal and culinary herbs. An e-mail or response to the group would

>be nice,  Much thanks

>

>Greg

>

Greg, check out the University of Washington's Medicinal herb garden at

http://www.nnlm.nlm.nih.gov/pnr/uwmhg/

you can get info and pictures by either botanical or common names









==========

Subject: Re: Herbal images

From: "Beth Harper" <aharper1@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:14:51 GMT

--------

>Hi, does anybody know of any web sights where I can find high quality

>color botanical illustrations, I am especially looking for images of

>medicinal and culinary herbs. An e-mail or response to the group would

>be nice,  Much thanks

>

>Greg

>

http://www.mobot.org/MOBOT/research/library/kohler/



Absolutely *the best* that I've found.  (And I was directed to it by this

group... thanks, whoever posted about Kohler's!)  It's easier if you go into

it knowing the Latin names, as you can either browse through the thumbnails

or hop directly to the herb you're looking for from the alphabetical text

listing.



Beth









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Subject: ginseng  raised to maturity

From: "Bostwick" <bostwick@antigopro.net>

Date: 26 Apr 1998 11:59:19 GMT

--------

Does anyone have any information on how long ginseng plants will increase

in size. I have plants that are now six years old, they are magnificent.

How many years will they continue to grow before they reach full maturity? 

 bostwick@antigopro.net







==========

Subject: Re: ginseng  raised to maturity

From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 17:26:23 GMT

--------

"Bostwick" <bostwick@antigopro.net> wrote:



>Does anyone have any information on how long ginseng plants will increase

>in size. I have plants that are now six years old, they are magnificent.

>How many years will they continue to grow before they reach full maturity? 

> bostwick@antigopro.net



I have no shade place to grow ginseng but everything I have read says

5 years to maturity. The roots will continue for get large but at a

lesser percentage than the first 5 years. 



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/





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Subject: Re: ginseng  raised to maturity

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 26 Apr 1998 23:52:39 GMT

--------

Don Harouff (harouffd@top.net) wrote:

:"Bostwick" <bostwick@antigopro.net> wrote:

:

:>Does anyone have any information on how long ginseng plants will increase

:>in size. I have plants that are now six years old, they are magnificent.

:>How many years will they continue to grow before they reach full maturity? 

:> bostwick@antigopro.net

:

:I have no shade place to grow ginseng but everything I have read says

:5 years to maturity. The roots will continue for get large but at a

:lesser percentage than the first 5 years. 

:



Of course 6 year old roots ae revered.  Frontier Herbs, a top-notch organic

herb supplier sells 6 year old roots but not 5 year olds. Nex



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Subject: Re: ginseng  raised to maturity

From: bgies@ginseng.ca

Date: 27 Apr 1998 17:07:25 GMT

--------

On 26 Apr 1998 23:52:39 GMT, nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock) wrote:

> Don Harouff (harouffd@top.net) wrote:

> :"Bostwick" <bostwick@antigopro.net> wrote:

> :

> :>Does anyone have any information on how long ginseng plants will increase

> :>in size. I have plants that are now six years old, they are magnificent.

> :>How many years will they continue to grow before they reach full maturity? 

> :> bostwick@antigopro.net





Ginseng roots will continue to grow each year. A few ginseng plants will reach 100 years. The problem with trying to grow them too long is disease. Ginseng is very disease prone and 

you can lose them in a couple of days to phytothora root rot, 

and there are several other diseases that will wipe them out very quickly. 



We are one of the larger ginseng farms, and from experience, we lose 5-10% of our plants every year. So for us, growing commercially, the trade off is the amount of plants we lose against the potential weight gain of the remaining plants.





Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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Subject: Re: ginseng  raised to maturity

From: tmpstqueen@aol.com (TmpstQueen)

Date: 28 Apr 1998 12:18:20 GMT

--------

In article <35446dcd.3413695@enews.newsguy.com>, harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

writes:



>

>"Bostwick" <bostwick@antigopro.net> wrote:

>

>>Does anyone have any information on how long ginseng plants will increase

>>in size. I have plants that are now six years old, they are magnificent.

>>How many years will they continue to grow before they reach full maturity? 

>> bostwick@antigopro.net



Harvest at 6 years of age.





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Subject: Itching scalp.

From: kieran murray <Floodytuath@milltown.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:05:02 +0100

--------

I have bad eczema and it makes my head itch like crazy at times.

Ive tried various shampoos , has anyone any better ideas?

Ive been using Tree Tea and Joba oil lately.







==========

Subject: Re: Itching scalp.

From: "B. Powell" <bgpowell@bellsouth.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:42:54 GMT

--------

It sounds like an allergy, and what I found helpful was Mennen Baby Shampoo

which has no perfume or color added.  If not available, perhaps other

brands of baby shampoo or allergy soap would be helpful.



kieran murray <Floodytuath@milltown.demon.co.uk> wrote in article

<odpUaHAOd3Q1Ew5g@milltown.demon.co.uk>...

> I have bad eczema and it makes my head itch like crazy at times.

> Ive tried various shampoos , has anyone any better ideas?

> Ive been using Tree Tea and Joba oil lately.

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Itching scalp.

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:18:11 GMT

--------

Hello Kieran,



As Eczema is normally part of an alergic reaction, the antibactrial

and antiviral properties of the Tea Tree will not have any effect, and

may even be adding to the discomfort.  However the Jojoba would be my

carrier oil of choice for Eczema.



What you really need is an oil that would sooth the skin.  For Eczema

I have found Chamomile Blue (or German) seem to be the most soothing.

This can be used alone but a blend of;



9 drops Chamomile Blue (aka German) {Matricria Chamomilla}

7 drops Tagetes {Tagetes Minuta}

4 drops Yarrow {Achillea Millefolium}

diluted to 5% in 20ml of Jojoba oil will help sooth the scalp.  



The Chamomile will provide the soothing effects while the Tagetes will

help with the inflamation of the skin and help kill any fungal

infection {dandruff} while the Yarrow will also aid dealing with the

inflamation, it is a great tonic for the scalp too.



On the scalp use just once a day, but if the Eczema is on other parts

of the body you can use the same blend twice a day.



I hope this helps



On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:05:02 +0100, kieran murray

<Floodytuath@milltown.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>I have bad eczema and it makes my head itch like crazy at times.

>Ive tried various shampoos , has anyone any better ideas?

>Ive been using Tree Tea and Joba oil lately.

>



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Subject: Gathering Wild Herbs

From: "Karen  Shelton" <nature@ficom.net>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:32:56 -0500

--------

Just

gathering the herbs/weeds gives you enough exercise to begin to make a

difference.



Not to mention how it is relaxing, invigorating and a great learning

experience. My answer for herbs to lose weight has been, "sure if you gather

enough of them, you will lose weight".  (Also helps if you have to ride a

bike five miles to get to them!)

Learning about all the wonderful plants around us has given me great

incentive to exercise as I learn more everytime I go out.

Read wildcrafting articles by several different authors at my web site at

www.atlnature.com , also see this one

http://www.vallnet.com/herbsnroots/hnr/stmgot.html for an award winning

article published in the Tennessee magazine, about a man who gathers plant

material for a living. Includes a short summary of uses for wild plants and

some good ginseng photos. (Stanley also sells a video that teaches you to

identify plants in the wild.) Ok, so he is selling something, but this site

is very interesting!

Be sure to check your area endangered list for plants that should not be

harvested.

Karen Shelton

nature@edge.net

www.altnature.com

AltNature Online Herbal









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Subject: Any Doctor out hear??

From: hera@pacific.net.sg

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:08:23 -0600

--------

Why is it so, that herbs, 'a gift from Nature, to serve mankind's sickness'

has not been playing an important role, where they (herbs) are supposed to be?

Herbs come in 2 categories (orthodox and unorthodox), just like others ie in

religion : orthodox and unorthodox (satanic) practice or even sicknesses:

orthodox (germ derived) and unorthodox sickness (virus derived). That is why,

Nature created 12 hrs day and 12 hrs night to accommodate these 2 elements.

Even, living things are either cold blooded (mostly nocturnal,active during

nightfall)or warm blooded (active during daytime), where, they could harmonise

with one another.

All these while, everybody are only talking about orthodox herbs, where most

of them (herbs) come from temperate countries,nothing much about 'unorthodox

herbs', that, mostly, come from tropical hot countries . That is where the

problem lies, in solving modern-day sickness ie. herpes,aids, cfs and etc..

From what I see in this room, most of you are talking about very simpler

herbal/spice remedy. Of course, there are truth in it, of its curable effect,

but, nothing great, as far as, serious sickness is concern. Look here, those

herbs, you are talking about, are those 'mini plants' and not those 'big

trees', where, their bark and roots are meant for 'chronic' case (sickness).

So,in this room,to cure a simple sickness,sometimes, you can do away with

herbs by just simply apply accupressure point to the respective sickness ie.

for hypertension, simply apply the 'solar plexus' point and for insonmia,

apply points on brain area, head  area and the '5 meridien flow' area. With

this sort of alternative and self healing treatment, it would save you alot of

medical fee, time, no side-effect and finally, a total cure.

For those, whose sickness cannot be heal by medical doctor and would like to

try alternative healing, you are welcome to mail me your problem, where, after

gathering your record, evaluting it, I would give you a run down, what are the

causes and how to rectify it, thru accupressuring. All these are

Free-of-charge.

Danny Yang

An Asian Wholistic physician cum herbalist(not a learn-by-hard herbalist, a

herbalist that goes to the wild, by way of understanding how herbal plant or

trees are being categorised thru behaviour from insects and the colours of its

flowerings.)



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Subject: Re: Who is Aquarius

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:18:09 GMT

--------

Hello Nimah,



even a short visit to her web site should show, if her posts have not,

that she does not have any training in herbal medicine.  If she really

believes what she is saying, then she is suffering from some form of

mental illness.  There are others here that appear to want and need

attention, by posting attacking or down right bizarre messages or

statements.  Some of these people could also be suffering from

treatable mental illnesses.  But in our society they do not normally

get the help they need.  



I know that it is sometimes hard to do, but the best way of dealing

with these poor folks is ignoring them.  That is unless they are

saying something that is out right dangerious.  I would hope that

people never fully rely upon the dis-information super highway for

their health care.  The fear is that sometimes, desperate people

sometimes will resort to the bizarre.  However their are enough people

who will highlight these people, just as you have done.



Thus this News Group, and others, can be a good source of information,

and if cross referenced with books and other research, can help others

who are looking for help with copping with disorders.  



I for one will help offering any help that I can in the area of my

knowledge, Aromatherapy, along with the advice that treatment should

always be undertaken with the knowledge and prefrably the support of

the persons doctor.

 

On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 11:58:16 -0400, "nimah" <nimah@gte.net> wrote:



>   This is my first time at this news group, but I'm always concerned when I

>see someone giving medical advice, even when it's herbs. I was wondering

>Aquarius, what is your background in herbal medicine and how are you

>qualified to give homeopathic advice?

>

>



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Subject: Strange SJW side-effect.

From: terwur@aol.com (Terwur)

Date: 27 Apr 1998 17:44:56 GMT

--------

Hello all,



I've been taking SJW for a couple of months in combination with my usual Gingko

Biloba (my concentration levels are very low without it) and I've noticed a

strange side-effect: I've spontaneously stopped chewing my fingernails! I've

chewed them since I was 4 years old, but now I have to clip them!





Terwur (-:

----------

PLEASURE?

"The only band in the world with a Musical Safety Officer" - NME

"What's all this about psychatrists?" - A.M Baker. 







==========

Subject: Re: Strange SJW side-effect.

From: darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:51:39 -0400

--------

On 27 Apr 1998 17:44:56 GMT, terwur@aol.com (Terwur) wrote:



>Hello all,

>

>I've been taking SJW for a couple of months in combination with my usual Gingko

>Biloba (my concentration levels are very low without it) and I've noticed a

>strange side-effect: I've spontaneously stopped chewing my fingernails! I've

>chewed them since I was 4 years old, but now I have to clip them!

>

Guess what, you're not alone. I bit mine for 25 years, and just

stopped a couple of years ago. I just realized I stopped a few months

after taking SJW.



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

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Subject: Re: Strange SJW side-effect.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 27 Apr 1998 17:28:01 -0700

--------

terwur@aol.com (Terwur) wrote:



>I've been taking SJW for a couple of months in combination with my usual Gingko

>Biloba (my concentration levels are very low without it) and I've noticed a

>strange side-effect: I've spontaneously stopped chewing my fingernails!



I never chewed mine, but they seem stronger and are growing

better.  Have we discovered a cure instead of a side effect?









==========

Subject: Re: Strange SJW side-effect.

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:42:43 +0100

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> 

> terwur@aol.com (Terwur) wrote:

> 

> >I've been taking SJW for a couple of months in combination with my usual Gingko

> >Biloba (my concentration levels are very low without it) and I've noticed a

> >strange side-effect: I've spontaneously stopped chewing my fingernails!

> 

> I never chewed mine, but they seem stronger and are growing

> better.  Have we discovered a cure instead of a side effect?





-----------







Surely the nail chewing was one of the symptoms of the basic problem for

which you decided to take SJW.  Symptomatic relief rather than side

effect or cure gets my vote.  



Nick





==========

Subject: Re: Strange SJW side-effect.

From: terwur@aol.com (Terwur)

Date: 28 Apr 1998 22:08:09 GMT

--------

In article <3545B296.2E34@mcmail.com>, Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> writes:



>

>Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

>> 

>> terwur@aol.com (Terwur) wrote:

>> 

>> >I've been taking SJW for a couple of months in combination with my usual

>Gingko

>> >Biloba (my concentration levels are very low without it) and I've noticed

>a

>> >strange side-effect: I've spontaneously stopped chewing my fingernails!

>> 

>> I never chewed mine, but they seem stronger and are growing

>> better.  Have we discovered a cure instead of a side effect?

>

>

>-----------

>

>

>

>Surely the nail chewing was one of the symptoms of the basic problem for

>which you decided to take SJW.  Symptomatic relief rather than side

>effect or cure gets my vote.  

>



Interesting theory but not true.  I started taking it for my migraines. I found

out a few years ago that cannabis sativa would abort an attack and quickly

discovered that it acted as an acute seratonin re-uptake inhibitor (it affects

platelet "stickiness", apparently and helps them keep their load of seratonin

for far longer - something migraine can't work with). Unfortunately cannabis

has several theraputic drawbacks if you know what I mean ;-)  so I moved to

SJW. My attacks are piffling little things, now I'm on GBE and SJW in

combination,  that I can get through without recourse to screaming at the gods

etc. 



I *do*. however, feel a bit wired since taking the SJW but I've discovered that

if I just chill out its okay.

Perhaps it's that I take 300mg of 3% extract every 4 hours.



Chewing my nails was a pure pleasure for me. I truly enjoyed it. I think the

SJW made external things more interesting to get into so I basically shifted my

focus.



BTW: My mum has just been accepted into a blind trial of Gingko Biloba for her

tinnitus. Does anyone know if this has been done before? I've told her what it

will feel like if she doesn't get the placebo but  I'd like to have a look at a

few papers if anyone has a URL handy...





Terwur (-:

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==========

Subject: Re: Strange SJW side-effect.

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:13:20 GMT

--------

Hello folks,



You raise an interesting point, however I have noticed if I treat a

clent for depressive related illnesses,  with Essential Oils, the

lowering of stress appears to have this effect.  It is a question that

I often ask as a way of guageing the effect of a treatment.  



As I will tend to use a SJW infused oil for these conditions, it could

be the SJW that is causing the effect.  



BTW These are just my personal observations.



On 27 Apr 1998 17:44:56 GMT, terwur@aol.com (Terwur) wrote:



>Hello all,

>

>I've been taking SJW for a couple of months in combination with my usual Gingko

>Biloba (my concentration levels are very low without it) and I've noticed a

>strange side-effect: I've spontaneously stopped chewing my fingernails! I've

>chewed them since I was 4 years old, but now I have to clip them!

>

>

>Terwur (-:

>----------

>PLEASURE?

>"The only band in the world with a Musical Safety Officer" - NME

>"What's all this about psychatrists?" - A.M Baker. 

>



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Subject: Beware of half-baked herbalists WAS Who is Aquarius

From: herbgirl@bellsouth.net. (Rastapoodle)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:16:39 GMT

--------

This is from last year, when some really flaky people were dispensing "advice"

willy-nilly:



Please! Don't dose yourself or listen to some well-meaning but inexperienced

soul that wants to blather on about "I heard this herb is good for...., or, the

book says...." . Let caution prevail, and please, keep studying herbs and their

uses -- they are wonderful used wisely and judiciously.



The original post:

There is something disturbing about the many posts in this newsgroup wherein

obviously amateur herbalists are copying 'recommendations' from various books

and posting lists of herbs willy-nilly.  Herbalism is a serious discipline, and

too often, it seems, enthusiastic but potentially-dangerous information is being

sent to this newsgroup.



I know we all can't be professional herbalists, and this forum is meant for the

dissemination of knowledge, but we must be wary.  Some people in particular

seems to just be regurgitating lists of herbs from a book. 



They may mean well, but that is extremely dangerous.  Even well-seasoned Chinese

herbalists do physical exams and have customers answer a lot of health history

questions before recommending anything. I have studied herbalism for more than

25 years, and am a trained scientist and I would *never* give out herbal

recommendations so carelessly.



An herbalist should be methodical, skeptical and very cautious about information

given out, and never use a 'shotgun' approach. One size does not fit all.  Also

having a good soul with a tolerance of all human personalities helps, as the

healer needs to be humble and sweet to help others get better (this is my

personal opinion).



Others, with first hand empirical knowledge of how a particular herb helped them

with a medical problem, also post their findings, and we need to remember all

physiological systems are different.  Okay, so a certain herb, such as Echinacea

is know for its strengthening of the immune system, but what if that person

considering taking it because of a post here isn't aware it is in the

Compositae/Asteraceae family, and they are

allergic to plants in that family?  I hate to think of the consequences.



I just want to warn readers, and I know we're all in this newsgroup for

educational purposes, to please be careful, be pessimistic, ask for second

opinions, and treat herbs like drugs, because after all, they are, and you can

have serious side effects.



 Rejoice in the healing power of herbs, and let the knowledge continue to flow

and people to continue to study and incorporate herbs (wisely) into their lives.

*************************************************************************

Anya  {{{*_*}}}  Herblady@newsguycom 

Organic Gardening + Music writer living and loving life in  Miami

Bob Marley sez --       "Ya gotta lively up yourself"

*************************************************************************

"Nature and Nature's law lay hid in night;

  God said "Let Tesla Be" and all was light."

*************************************************************************





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Subject: Re: Beware of half-baked herbalists WAS Who is Aquarius

From: mstjohn007@aol.com (MStjohn007)

Date: 27 Apr 1998 19:47:56 GMT

--------

100 % TRUE.......I do wonder, however, how you are able to tolerate the rather

large amount of garbage being posted by those selling herbs from multi-level

schemes..... This seems to be the worst poison on this newsgroup, as those

selling these poor-quality supplements are giving out health advice as if they

were physicians....And, of course, the only products that they PRESCRIBE are

the ones that they're MLM company sells....I hate to think about the number of

people that have at the least wasted money, and at the worst have altered

they're health in an adverse way by taking supplements PRESCRIBED by an

ignorant seller of Multi-level products......





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Subject: help

From: ROOT98@webtv.net (cecil sharp)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:25:07 -0500

--------

 



can anyone tell me where i can find info on roots such as goldenseal,

bloodroot, gensing, etc ? im tying to find price lists fhotos and

cultivating info. anything you can tell me would be great



                         thanx





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Subject: Re: help

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 27 Apr 1998 20:51:28 GMT

--------

Don't think you will find folks selling bloodroot that easily as it is very

toxic, but good luck!





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Subject: Re: help

From: magda2@aol.com (Magda2)

Date: 28 Apr 1998 11:17:39 GMT

--------

Here a couple web sites that may be of help to you

 http://www.altnature.com/ginseng/home.htm



 http://www.state.mo.us/conservation/nathis/flora/ginseng/ginseng.html

           Have fun and good luck!  Marianne





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Subject: Pain

From: Idgie <unonwho@chibardun.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:04:27 -0500

--------

Hello,

    Forgive me for barging in on your n.g..  I've been hanging around in

the background for awhile and now, find myself with a question.

    My dentist is unable to see me for a few days and I suddenly have a

tooth/gum infection that is causing a tremendous amount of pain from the

site of the infection through the nasal passages and ears.  Is there

anything I can take for the pain or to shrink the swelling until I am

able to have it treated?  I've heard that a garlic clove will help.  Is

this true?



Idgie







==========

Subject: Re: Pain

From: "Scott Lee" <sjlee_NOSPAM@wwnet.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:55:39 -0400

--------

Idgie wrote in message <3544E4CB.D2F97AAF@chibardun.net>...

>Hello,

>    Forgive me for barging in on your n.g..  I've been hanging around in

>the background for awhile and now, find myself with a question.

>    My dentist is unable to see me for a few days and I suddenly have a

>tooth/gum infection that is causing a tremendous amount of pain from the

>site of the infection through the nasal passages and ears.  Is there

>anything I can take for the pain or to shrink the swelling until I am

>able to have it treated?  I've heard that a garlic clove will help.  Is

>this true?





I went through the same recently.  The dentist wanted to do root canals, I

took a two week course with goldenseal and it cleared up the infection quite

well.  I used it as a tea, and swished it around the infected area before

swallowing.  Don't know if this helps, but it worked for me.



Lotsa luck,

Scott Lee









==========

Subject: Re: Pain

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:13:25 GMT

--------

Hello Ldgie,



The best thing in my experience is Myrrh {Commiphora Myrrha} Essential

Oil.  One or two drops on the finger tip and gently rub it on the

effected area.



Also one drop of Tea Tree {Melaeuca Alternifolia} Essential oil in a

glass of water can be used as a gargle and mouth wash.



Both work for me :-)



On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:04:27 -0500, Idgie <unonwho@chibardun.net>

wrote:



>Hello,

>    Forgive me for barging in on your n.g..  I've been hanging around in

>the background for awhile and now, find myself with a question.

>    My dentist is unable to see me for a few days and I suddenly have a

>tooth/gum infection that is causing a tremendous amount of pain from the

>site of the infection through the nasal passages and ears.  Is there

>anything I can take for the pain or to shrink the swelling until I am

>able to have it treated?  I've heard that a garlic clove will help.  Is

>this true?

>

>Idgie

>



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Subject: Re: Pain

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:34:35 -0500

--------

Idgie wrote:

> 

> Hello,

>     Forgive me for barging in on your n.g..  I've been hanging around 

> in the background for awhile and now, find myself with a question.

>     My dentist is unable to see me for a few days and I suddenly have 

> a tooth/gum infection that is causing a tremendous amount of pain from 

> the site of the infection through the nasal passages and ears.  Is 

> there anything I can take for the pain or to shrink the swelling until 

> I am able to have it treated?  I've heard that a garlic clove will 

> help.  Is this true?



Clove oil.  Not for chronic use, but a very effective analgesic.  

Rather intense and middling nasty taste, though....



-Kyra









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Subject: Re: Pain

From: "Flagship" <jriggs38@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:52:22 -0400

--------



you can take a plain Clove and crush it and put it in some tissue and put it

on the gum that is hurting, this kills most of the pain.  I do this with

whole cloves but if you are really in pain the shape of the clove will make

it feel even worst this is why you need to crush it and put it in tissue.



Let it sit there a few min, and it may just do the trick for ye.











==========

Subject: Re: Pain

From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:56:24 GMT

--------

On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:52:22 -0400, "Flagship" <jriggs38@erols.com>

wrote:



>

>you can take a plain Clove and crush it and put it in some tissue and put it

>on the gum that is hurting, this kills most of the pain.  I do this with

>whole cloves but if you are really in pain the shape of the clove will make

>it feel even worst this is why you need to crush it and put it in tissue.

>

>Let it sit there a few min, and it may just do the trick for ye.

>

Alternatively, if your gums are *really* hurting (to the point where

its just too painful to even move your jaw at all), you can try making

up a clove tea.  Just put a handful of whole cloves into a cup of

*boiling * water.  Steep until the water turns *dark* brown (you may

find that gently simmering the mixture makes it reach this point

faster).  Then cool to a drinkable temperature, and use as a

mouthwash.  This does have the side effect of making your tongue all

numb, but it will work to give temporary relief, and bring your mouth

to the point where you can place a clove on the specific area.



Another tip: The facial nerves are *really* susceptible to cold along

the jawline, so wrap up well (with a scarf and such) if you have to go

outside.  Something that worked for me (oddly enough) when I was

experiencing dental pain was to put a small ball of cotton wool in the

ear on the same side as the painful tooth.  Just that tiny bit of

insulation for a couple of the nerves was enough to knock the pain

down by about a couple of *yowie* metres.



Hope that helps, and hope your teeth aren't hurting you very soon!



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm





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Subject: BEE POLLIN / FLAX SEED

From: EXECUTIVEsearch@webtv.net (Tony D)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:39:39 -0400

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Hello..... anyone know the carb... count on bee pollin and flax seeds ??

or any plants?.. please send me any sites on this... Thanks Tony

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Subject: looking for info...

From: brian@aeion.com (brian)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:05:26 GMT

--------

Hi there,

I'm setting up a website for natural health and alternative lifestyle

in Scotland,UK. As a part of which we're producing an online Library

of definitions, we'd be very grateful if anyone there could send me a

comprehensive explanation of Herbalism and or related disciplines.

You will be referenced at the top of your article of course.

thanks,

brian

brian@turtledesign.com





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Subject: KAVA KAVA

From: tim108@webtv.net (Tim Ellison)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:11:40 -0500

--------

Can anybody tell me a reputable company that sells Kava Kava.And what

should I look for before I spend my money on just any brand name?I would

appreciate it if somebody who has taken this herb before can tell me if

it really works.





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Subject: Re: KAVA KAVA

From: markwegner@webtv.net (Mark Wegner)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:40:40 -0500

--------

Twinlab makes Nature's Herbs Kava Kava Power. 250 mg capsules

standardized to 75 mg Kavalactones per capsule (the strongest dosage

made). This is important (although some on this NG will tell you it

doesn't matter) because this is the ONLY way to measure the strength of

the Kava Kava.  The mg of Kava in the capsule does NOT matter,  it is

the amount of Kalalactones that matter. All controlled studies

concerning Kava Kava are based on Kavalactone potency. Dosage for the

Nature's Herbs is recommended 1-2 capsules 1-2X daily; however, in the

latest study I have read the subjects were given 70 mg kavalactones 3X

daily. This was for anxiety. PersonalIy, I use one capsule per day, in

the late afternoon on an empty stomach. It works for me. If the day is

particularly stressful,  I may also take one at the time of stress. It

should be taken on an empty stomach.

 

Kavatrol (alson standardized for Kavalactone content) works well also,

but at about half the potency I have to double the dose, and since it is

about the same price as Kava Kava power, it costs me about twice as

much. 



I have tried other brands, the 100 for $7.99 kind or whatever..  I don't

like them. But this is my personal opinion, and they may work fine for

you. But I like to know how much active ingredients I am getting, and

the only way to do that is to measure kavalactones (standardize).



Mark





==========

Subject: Re: KAVA KAVA

From: "Jack Chitwood" <casey-chitwood@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 22:37:58 -0700

--------

Dear Tim,



I also have just recently begun taking Kava Kava.  I have a very difficult

time sleeping and it seems to help me relax and unwind.  I read the response

to your posting that said you want to look for a product that is

standardized.  This is true.  The brand of Kava that I take is from a

company called Nature's Sunshine.  They are a very reputable company and

have been making herbal supplements for over 25 years.  I love their

products and trust the company.  Each capsule of Kava Kava contains 200 mg

of concentrated Kava Kava root extract, standardized to 30% total

kavaloctones.  Nature's Sunshine assures a standardized high potency of

kavalactones, maximizing product effectiveness.



You can order their Kava directly from the company, which allows you to

purchase it at wholesale cost.  If you are interested, please email me and I

will provide you with the order information and my sponsor number.



Take care.

Casey

casey-chitwood@worldnet.att.net











==========

Subject: h-pilori

From: danielle <dholke@total.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:30:32 -0400

--------

Hello,	



	my friend has been diagnosed with an intestinal bacteria called

H-Pilori(sic?). now, she's been to doctors all over Canada and no one

can give her an honest answer about meds. she's even had the same doctor

tell her two completely different things about the common drugs for

treatment. here's her dilemma, both the bacteria and the drugs are

linked to cancer of the stomach. so which is worse? playing host to this

bacteria or blasting it out with potentially harmful drugs... if you're

dealing with potent meds like this, is it possible to do a fast after

the treatment to lower the levels of toxins in the liver. can this help?

has anyone had this and successfully treated it naturally?



thank you for taking the time to respond to dholke@total.net



best,

Danielle





==========

Subject: Re: h-pilori

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 28 Apr 1998 05:10:00 -0700

--------

danielle <dholke@total.net> wrote:



>	my friend has been diagnosed with an intestinal bacteria called

>H-Pilori(sic?). 

  It's recently been acknowledged to be a major cause of stomach

ulcers, which can lead to cancer.



>here's her dilemma, both the bacteria and the drugs are

>linked to cancer of the stomach. so which is worse? playing host to this

>bacteria or blasting it out with potentially harmful drugs

  Leaving the bacteria: treating with antibiotics is a short-term

thing, but unless she gets rid of the bacteria, they'll be there

for decades.



>is it possible to do a fast after

>the treatment to lower the levels of toxins in the liver. can this help?

  Fasting actually increases the load on the liver because of the

buildup of ketones and the lack of carbohydrates.  The best diet

for the liver is frequent small meals high in carbohydrates and

low in fat and protein.







==========

Subject: Re: h-pilori

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:21:56 GMT

--------

On 28 Apr 1998 05:10:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>danielle <dholke@total.net> wrote:

>

>>	my friend has been diagnosed with an intestinal bacteria called

>>H-Pilori(sic?). 

>  It's recently been acknowledged to be a major cause of stomach

>ulcers, which can lead to cancer.



Not really. Yes, Helicobacter pylori is present in folks with ulcers, but it is

also present in folks who do not have ulcers. H.pylori just takes advantage of a

compromised system. 

The true cause of an ulcer is bad eating habits and stress. So change your

eating habits and visit an herbalist for a full evaluation. And if your friend

does have H.pylori but no ulcer, then there is no cause for panic.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: h-pilori

From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:27:06 -0800

--------

In article <3545c64f.287276@news.primenet.com>, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu

Dho Nimh) wrote:



#danielle <dholke@total.net> wrote:

#

#>       my friend has been diagnosed with an intestinal bacteria called

#>H-Pilori(sic?). 

#  It's recently been acknowledged to be a major cause of stomach

#ulcers, which can lead to cancer.

#

#>here's her dilemma, both the bacteria and the drugs are

#>linked to cancer of the stomach. so which is worse? playing host to this

#>bacteria or blasting it out with potentially harmful drugs

#  Leaving the bacteria: treating with antibiotics is a short-term

#thing, but unless she gets rid of the bacteria, they'll be there

#for decades.

#

#>is it possible to do a fast after

#>the treatment to lower the levels of toxins in the liver. can this help?

#  Fasting actually increases the load on the liver because of the

#buildup of ketones and the lack of carbohydrates.  The best diet

#for the liver is frequent small meals high in carbohydrates and

#low in fat and protein.



Agreed with the above...



She must drink enough water to refresh her cells frequently (minimum 2 qts/day)



You might be interested to know that 'pink bismuth' (aka Pepto Bismol)

seems to be quite effective in killing the Heliobactor Pylori 'ulcer' germ.

Persons who use it occasionally have *no* detectable amount of those bugs

in their upper gut. This info was reported in medical journals over a year

ago...accidental findings derived from a long-term study of anti-arthritic

analgesics.



Best wishes...



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance





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Subject: Good to be here...

From: "Victoria Sydnor" <DancingClouds@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 28 Apr 1998 01:44:47 GMT

--------

Hoody Hoo all!



I am glad to know of this newsgroup as I too am just starting down the road

to using more herbal remedies in my life.



I have noticed that my body seems to react better to some natural remedies

than the man-made stuff I am not really use to using.  



I look forward to using them more and more and have even started a small

herbal garden too.



I do have a couple of questions though...I can get my hands on some water

plants (dont worry, all of them are farm-raised), (1)  How can I properly

raise them  w/o sticking them in our too sandy ground, in what type

container? (2) Is the fact that they are farm-raised make them less usable

as water plants?  I live in the low deserts of SoCalif and I can see these

types of waterplants all the time, but I know that they are in water that

is nothing I would feed to a dog.



Thank you for answering the questions and its good to be here!!



Blessed Be



Dc 





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Subject: St.John's Wort and nosebleeds??

From: halifax_@rocketmail.com (treesrcool)

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 02:34:47 GMT

--------

Hi,I have recently started taking SJW(3x/day) and have just gotten a

nosebleed.

I never,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever,ever get nosebleeds,even when I was a

kid!

Any ideas,or similar experiences?









              Thanks







==========

Subject: BOGUS: The MOST effective Weight Management Product Avaliable!

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 28 Apr 98 04:53:17 GMT

--------

Weight Management <allden@bc.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>The MOST Effective Weight Management Product

>I Have Used!

>

>An all exclusive extract of Hydroxycitric Acid

>in a proprietary base designed to BOOST even

>the most sluggish metabolism while helping

>to CONTROL your appetite.

>

>A NATURAL extract from the garcinia cambogia fruit,

>this product works to control your weight in three

>ways;

>

>1.Helps to mobilize and eliminate existing body fat

>2.Helps to prevent the formation new body fat

>3.Helps to reduce your appetite





excerpt from the Home Healthcare Reality Check web site (uppercase

emphasis mine)



Various species of South Asian plants of the genus Garcinia (particularly 

Garcinia cambogia) have high contents of [3]hydroxycitrate, which is the

active ingredient in this and many other currently marketed weight loss

products. There is evidence from animal studies that hydroxycitrate (or

hydroxycitric acid, HCA) reduces weight gain, probably by affecting

appetite. HOWEVER, IT HAS NOT YET BEEN SHOWN, IN CONTROLLED STUDIES

PUBLISHED IN THE SCIENTIFIC LITERATURE, TO BE EFFECTIVE IN WEIGHT LOSS

IN HUMANS. 



--

  jamie (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."

		





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Subject: Re: Honey, can you take out the garbage please? was, Beware of half-baked herbalists WAS Who is Aquarius

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 08:21:41 GMT

--------

On 27 Apr 1998 19:47:56 GMT, mstjohn007@aol.com (MStjohn007) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>100 % TRUE.......I do wonder, however, how you are able to tolerate the rather

>large amount of garbage being posted by those selling herbs from multi-level

>schemes..... This seems to be the worst poison on this newsgroup, as those

>selling these poor-quality supplements are giving out health advice as if they

>were physicians....



You do not have to tolerate the garbage posts. Just forward every single one of

them, together with a complaint from you, to the postmaster@ and abuse@

addresses of the post in question. Piece of cake. You do need to have an email

program where you can see the headers though.



Henriette



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Subject: Deja News - help requested

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 11:49:37 +0100

--------

If this isn't a total no-no, faux pas, oh my god I can't believe he

asked that....:



Have seen frequent references to DejaNews and would appreciate it if

some kind soul could spare a moment to explain to me how / where  /

what.



I've been away for a week and there are some interesting threads I'd

like to follow back further.



Tks in advance!



Nick





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Subject: Re: Deja News - help requested

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 28 Apr 1998 14:47:17 GMT

--------

Nick (hero.uk@mcmail.com) wrote:

:If this isn't a total no-no, faux pas, oh my god I can't believe he

:asked that....:

:

:Have seen frequent references to DejaNews and would appreciate it if

:some kind soul could spare a moment to explain to me how / where  /

:what.

:

:I've been away for a week and there are some interesting threads I'd

:like to follow back further.

:

:Tks in advance!

:

:Nick





Fire up your favorite browser, and go to http://www.dejanews.com/nav_g.map



It's the search page for Dejanews.  Extremely fast and easy to use, you can

search newsgroups/authors/threads/articles all the way back to 1995. Nex





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        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

                          Ariwara no Narihira

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Subject: Re: Deja News - help requested

From: baird@gate.net (Baird Stafford)

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:43:24 -0400

--------

Mime-Version: 1.0

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1

Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit



In article <3545B433.1DAB@mcmail.com>,

Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



<snip>



>Have seen frequent references to DejaNews and would appreciate it if

>some kind soul could spare a moment to explain to me how / where  /

>what.



<snip>



http://www.dejanews.com - they claim to archive all usenet groups

though last I heard still couldn't handle binary posts.  They are

also working on recreating archives from the years before they came

online, with some apparent success.



The place is browser-friendly, so once there it's easy enough to

navigate.



Blessed be,

Baird





--

Baird Stafford (baird@gate.net)

Modkin, soc.religion.paganism

We, the Person - <http://www.gate.net/~baird/person> update every Wednesday





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Subject: Re: Cysts

From: "The Ghost Hunter" <ghosthunter@ghg.net>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:50:50 -0500

--------

This may help, before you use this make sure he has no allergic reactions to

aspirin.



Place 6 generic aspirin into a pot of distilled water, and raise to a simmer

for 5 minutes stirring frequently, then allow to cool down and filter

through a coffee filter. A tincture of RED CEDAR WOOD can be added to this

mixture to increase it's potency if needed.



This works for my skin problems that I was cursed with for several years

better than any dermatologists prescriptions ever did. It is also great for

wounds that continually weep and refuse to dry up and heal. It works by

halting the process of the body sending lymph to the site of irritation, the

body sending lymph to the site is unfortunately worsened many peoples skin

problems from minor to major and painful, also resulting in infections and

disfigurement.



Try it and let me know how it works

ghosthunter@ghg.net

ICQ# 6098220

http://www.ghgcorp.com/ghosthunter

eens wrote in message <354639D4.58396A9B@home.com>...

>My son is in his 20's and he has many cysts in his scalp. I am

>interested in knowing what herbs would be good to get rid of these

>cysts.  I would make a tincture out of the herbs.

>Thanks for the help.

>Jayne









==========

Subject: Re: Cysts

From: "Herb Man" <danl@[nospam]itis.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:42:17 -0500

--------

Hanna Kroeger has written a new book called 'Free Your Body of Tumors and

Cysts'. It has some great information. It's available from Southern Herb Co.

at 800-795-1354.



I wish you and your son the best.



eens wrote in message <354639D4.58396A9B@home.com>...

>My son is in his 20's and he has many cysts in his scalp. I am

>interested in knowing what herbs would be good to get rid of these

>cysts.  I would make a tincture out of the herbs.

>Thanks for the help.

>Jayne









==========

Subject: Re: Chocolate folklore

From: Tom Osborn <osborn@socs.uts.edu.au>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 09:41:23 +1000

--------

Ghost Myst wrote:

> 

> OK i admite chocolate is not exactly an herb, but it is plant based.  I

> am trying to collect folklore about chocolate from around the world.

> Does anybody know any that they would like to share?  Is anybody aware

> of any books/publications, etc. that might cover chocolate folklore?



(1) Chocolate is an anti-oxidant.

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School of Computing Sciences           Facsimile: + 61 2 9514 1807

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Subject: Re: Chocolate folklore

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 28 Apr 1998 23:59:34 GMT

--------

Chocolate cures PMS blues! :)





==========

Subject: Valerian??

From: jb2178@aol.com (JB2178)

Date: 29 Apr 1998 01:22:55 GMT

--------



 Is there a brand of valarian out there that I could get passed my nose?  These

things smell so bad how do people swalllow the darned things?



jean 





==========

Subject: Re: Valerian??

From: ks1moeder@aol.com (Ks1moeder)

Date: 29 Apr 1998 10:02:42 GMT

--------

In article <1998042901225500.VAA19243@ladder03.news.aol.com>, jb2178@aol.com

(JB2178) writes:



> Is there a brand of valarian out there that I could get passed my nose?

>These

>things smell so bad how do people swalllow the darned things?

>

>jean 



 One thing is for sure capsules are better than the drops or tea...



Starfire Silverdawn





==========

Subject: Re: Valerian??

From: bd1martin@aol.com (BD1Martin)

Date: 29 Apr 1998 13:29:53 GMT

--------

I get pass the smell by remembering how much better I will feel afterWards!! 

-:)





          Omnipotent One





==========

Subject: Re: Valerian??

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: 29 Apr 1998 04:44:01 -0700

--------

jb2178@aol.com (JB2178) wrote:



>

> Is there a brand of valarian out there that I could get passed my nose?  These

>things smell so bad how do people swalllow the darned things?



  There is no such thing as valerian that smells good because the

active ingredient is what stinks - that traditional distilled gym

socks smell is therapeutic.  Try this: get the glass of water

ready, then hold your breath while you open the bottle and take

the pills.  



  For a non-stinking sedative, try "Sleepytime" tea from

Celestial Seasonings (the one with the bear in his nightclothes

on the box).  It has linden and chamomile.

  Even stronger, if you can find it, is the Mexican tea called

"TILA" - pure linden flowers.  I find it in KMARTs in heavily

Hispanic neighborhoods.







==========

Subject: Re: Valerian??

From: "Flagship" <jriggs38@erols.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 21:25:30 -0400

--------





>  For a non-stinking sedative, try "Sleepytime" tea from

>Celestial Seasonings (the one with the bear in his nightclothes

>on the box).  It has linden and chamomile.

>  Even stronger, if you can find it, is the Mexican tea called

>"TILA" - pure linden flowers.  I find it in KMARTs in heavily

>Hispanic neighborhoods.

>



I find Hops and Passion Flower mixed will also knock you out for a good

nights sleep or it does to me.

What is in Tila tea?

I know Celestial Seasonings mix but never heard of the other.









==========

Subject: Recommendations

From: dosbabe1@aol.com (DosBabe1)

Date: 29 Apr 1998 03:30:49 GMT

--------

x-archive-no



Hello,



I've always used herbs in capsules and capsule blends...a few teas...



But would like to try bulk herbs...



Would appreciate any recommendations..



Thanks..



(am from the US)





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Subject: Herbs to reduce hyperactivity in Dogs! plse respond if you know any, THANKS

From: mlopre8091@aol.com (MLoPRE8091)

Date: 29 Apr 1998 04:00:21 GMT

--------

If anyone knows what natural herbs are available AND safe which reduce

hyperactivity in dogs, Please respond and email me at DOG222@aol.com.

thank you for any and all help you supply!  :)>



ml





==========

Subject: Re: Medicinal herbFAQ (v.1.31) Part 2/7

From: bd1martin@aol.com (BD1Martin)

Date: 29 Apr 1998 16:15:05 GMT

--------

I am trying that sweeter now. I say it is one of the most bitter things I have

ever had! It does not seem to be sweet in the least amount. 



It said to mix with water to dilute its extreme sweetness. 

I've see no sweetness as of yet just biterness.



       



                Omnipotent One





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Subject: Where to buy All natural extracts to make root-beer, birtch, sarsaparilla?

From: laforcel@aol.com (Laforcel)

Date: 29 Apr 1998 17:55:30 GMT

--------

Where to buy All natural extracts to make root-beer, birtch, sarsaparilla?

Please email me if you know what companies sell "all natural" extracts for

making home brew sodas. Thanks in advance.





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Subject: Re: Scepticism

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 13:24:15 -0500

--------

I agree with most of the post below, which is why I snipped most of it out. Thanks for a good posting.

I disagree with the cellulite statement. Cellulite is caused by trapped toxins in the skin. It can be taken care of and eliminated. Many young people have cellulite--I know a 10 year old with lots of cellulite. Age doesn't have much to do with it, but nutrition and diet have lots to do with it. I hear women all the time tell me they couldn't help getting cellulite. It came with their pregnancies. Funny, I have 4 children and am due with my 5th in 6 weeks and have no cellulite.



-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Rachel Berry wrote in message +ADw-3546A94C.474A2A1A+AEA-involved.com+AD4-...

+AD4-

+AD4-Many women now are wanting to get rid of cellulite.  This condition is caused by

+AD4-a tightening of the tissues under the skin due mostly to age.  You can take

+AD4-herbs to increase circulation, cleanse the liver, cleanse the blood, etc.  But

+AD4-herbs only are no substitute for a healthy life style...exercise and proper

+AD4-diet.  One of the only ways to get rid of cellulite is to surgically cut the

+AD4-tissues that are tightening.  Herbs sure can help, but you need other factors to

+AD4-create balance.









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Subject: Re: Eggshells  -  PLEASE!

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 08:06:18 +0100

--------

One of *the* most gross experiences of anyone's Sunday morning must be

mistakenly getting a bit of egg-shell stuck on to your dippy dip

soldier, not seeing it, and then getting that hideous little crunch from

somewhere within yr yolky/bready/whitey mouth mid-chew.



Then, not only are you grossed out, but your partner is too as you try

and dig/jaw/spit/pick it out, with the Sunday papers flying everywhere

and the coffee spilling all over yr duvet because, you know, 



        YOU COULD  NEVER  KNOWINGLY  EAT  A BIT OF EGGSHELL 



Too shuddery to even contemplate.



Please, go elsewhere for your Ca.



Nick





==========

Subject: where is the FAQ?

From: news <news@i-zone.demon.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:06:18 +0100

--------

Helo People



A question - where is the faq?



looking for info on ginkgo biloba and other (legal) cvs vasodilators

leading to cognitive enhancement.



thanks

-- 

news





==========

Subject: Re: where is the FAQ?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 03:56:26 GMT

--------

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 09:06:18 +0100, news <news@i-zone.demon.co.uk> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>A question - where is the faq?

>

>looking for info on ginkgo biloba and other (legal) cvs vasodilators

>leading to cognitive enhancement.



You'll find the medicinal herbfaq here:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediherb.html - I just posted it 2 days ago, so

it's weird that you don't have it on alt.folklore.herbs anymore. However, you'll

probably still find it on news.answers.



Henriette



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Subject: TEA AND CAFFEINE

From: hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U)

Date: 30 Apr 1998 14:19:44 GMT

--------



     I know that teadoesnt have as much caffeine as coffee does but still has

some.  My question is, which type and/or brand of tea has the most caffeine in

it?  



     I heard that Earl Gray had a fairly large amount.  can anyone help?



  

Raven at     raven_d@hotmail.com   or at

                 Raven44DDD@aol.com





==========

Subject: Re: TEA AND CAFFEINE

From: Andy McMullen <jamcmullen@zetnet.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:57:29 +0100

--------

The message <1998043014194400.KAA02221@ladder01.news.aol.com>

  from  hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) contains these words: 







>      I know that teadoesnt have as much caffeine as coffee does but still has

> some.  My question is, which type and/or brand of tea has the most caffeine in

> it?  



>      I heard that Earl Gray had a fairly large amount.  can anyone help?



>   

> Raven at     raven_d@hotmail.com   or at

>                  Raven44DDD@aol.com





Just to confusr=e things for you .......



Tea does have about as much caffiene as coffee but because of the way 

it is stored the body metabolises it at a lower rate. What you really 

want is a brand of tea inwhich the caffiene is readily available to 

the body's metabolism and I do not have a clue on that one. Simple 

stats on tea caffiene content will only be attributable if they have 

extracted it in a manner similar to that of the body.







==========

Subject: Hawthorne (cratageus sp.)

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 17:00:47 GMT

--------

I harvested Hawthorne flowers yesterday, have some drying for tea and some

in a tincture.  Anybody else harvesting Hawthorne flowers?









==========

Subject: Cellulite was Scepticism

From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:37:28 GMT

--------

Hello Rachel et al,



First I do agree that herbs and herbalisam can and does work, but

often people seem to think that there are quick fix solutions to

everything, and will often seek someone to blame if the solution to

"Their" problem has not yet been found.



However the main reason for this post is in relation to Cellulite. 



On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:15:08 -0700, Rachel Berry

<RachelsTouch@involved.com> wrote:



>Many women now are wanting to get rid of cellulite.  This condition is caused by

>a tightening of the tissues under the skin due mostly to age.  You can take

>herbs to increase circulation, cleanse the liver, cleanse the blood, etc.  But

>herbs only are no substitute for a healthy life style...exercise and proper

>diet.  One of the only ways to get rid of cellulite is to surgically cut the

>tissues that are tightening.  Herbs sure can help, but you need other factors to

>create balance.



While I do not disagree with this statement, it is not the full

picture.  Women have an extra layer of fat, this nature provided to

ensure that while carrying children the unborn baby could be nourished

even if the mother, while we were just hunter gatheres, was not able

to eat during that day.  



Thus this extra fatty layer is basicly a store for lean times.

However in our modern western society, most people do not need to

store this extra layer of fat for periods of famine, poor harvest,

drought etc.   



This aspect our evolution is why we as animals are prone to being over

weight.  However this natural store, in women is also used to hold

toxins.  These are produced by the body or from our over processed

foods, are also locked into this fatty layer.  It is these toxins

combined with the tightning of the fatty tissues that produces this

"Orange Peel Look" of Cellulite.  



In France it is seen as an illness due to the toxins that are bound

into the fat layer.   As Rachel says the only way to fully remove this

problem is via surgury, but by using Herbs or Aromatherapy, you can

help the body to remove the toxins from the body.  In Aromatherapy the

action of Petrissage on the fatty layer will aid the release of these

toxins, and help break up the hard structure of the tissue.  



Yet the often over looked aspect is a balanced healthy lifestyle will

for the majority reduce the risks of the modern lifestyle in the first

place.





Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

            Remove the spam guard to reply

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html





==========

Subject: Bojenmi Chinese Tea

From: mmcavoy@escape.ca (Michelle)

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:00:50 GMT

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Is Bojenmi Chinese Tea a type of green tea?  I have heard that half of it is 

made up of oolong tea - what exactly is oolong tea, and is it similar to green 

tea?   Would BCT have those "chemicals" (forget their names) that are present 

in green tea which have shown to be helpful for cancer, etc?   



Thanks.





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Subject: cardiospermum

From: apgouka@xs4all.nl (Charles Wauters)

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 20:33:48 GMT

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Dear Oh Dear



Looking after information on Cardiospermum. A herb that as far as I know is used

in dermatology. I prefer scientific information.



Thanks to anybody that can help.



Charles Wauters.



