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Hi,



Unfortunately, my favorite herb shop is about the size of a shoebox.

And they do not carry some herbs in capsule form (only fresh), nor do

they carry the empty capsules that you fill yourself. Anyone know

where I can get them? Preferrably mail order. Or if anyone knows of a

place in the Norfolk/Suffolk area of the UK. I've called a few shops

and haven't had any luck. :o(



TIA,

GCM

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In article <3548AB62.DE87CEEC@mcn.org>,

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In alt.fan.kia-mennie kmm@[remove-this-part]neon.ingenia.ca wrote:

: In article <3548AB62.DE87CEEC@mcn.org>,

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ok, I have a ? about valerian--how come no one told me I'd have multiple plants

within one year?  Geeze, pulling the darn seedlings up like crab grass they are

so thick!



CRD



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Flagship wrote:

> 

> I find Hops and Passion Flower mixed will also knock you out for a good

> nights sleep or it does to me.



-------



Yeah but you can cut the passsion flower out too - I find a kind of

infusion of barley, flavoured with hops and then fermented works very

well for most people I know.  



You have to drink about ten pints though for it to really work  :-)





Nick



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In article <1998050303182000.XAA10225@ladder03.news.aol.com>, Mtnwumman

<mtnwumman@aol.com> writes

>I make and sell a tincture by the name of A.D.D. Focus (aimed at ADD and ADHD

>sufferers, but good for anything Valerian is used for)  which has as its main

>ingredient Valerian.  In tincture form, especially when dropped into water or

>juice, etc., I don't find it objectionable at all.  My herb tinctures are "low

>dosage" and that helps, too.  You can e-mail me for more info, if you like. 

>Linda

>

>> Is there a brand of valarian out there that I could get passed my nose?

>>These

>>things smell so bad how do people swalllow the darned things?

>

>

Fast. and have something very strongly flavoured to take the taste away

afterwards... super mints, help, 





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Use a few ounces of fresh herbs in a jar with a screw down lid fill jar with

Vodka steep a few days and then strain works really good.



Hear is the list of herbs to use:



Clove - Cardamom - Sage - Eucalyptus - Spearmint - Rosemary - Ginger -

Cinnamon - Basil - Turmeric -

Fennel - Parsley - Anise - Coriander -Dill - Peppermint.



Use any one of these to make different flavors of Wash.



You can use the Pod's, Seeds or leaves in making this up I like to mix and

match them to really get a mouth full of flavors.





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Manion wrote in message <01bd77dd$b4ff9b50$702242cf@home>...

>I question the use of talc? Is it safe?



These I use and have no bad effects Do not drink the wash Yes I know a small

bit will be but not that much that it will do any harm or at least it has

not to me yet and I have been use them over seven years.



Also if you would like to read about these you can find them in the issue of



Herbs for Health Mag May/June 1998



J.r.







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Hello Ian, I am not sure if you received my message on inflammatory

treatment you had addressed.  It was on my e-mail and not in this area.  I

was not sure if it was send .  If so, I apologe for repeating myself. I

thank you for your reply.  Ginger is not the only thing I use for

inflammation.  At this time, our research is being done that will help

folks

with inflammatory problems.  We are in our documentation stage of our

research.  People are using a natural, all herbal remedy onitment that has

been developed in our labs for inflammatory condition and its pain.  With

the documentation we are receiving, it will soon have a patent. We are

alway looking for individuals who may be interested in trying this

onitment to add to our documentation.  I am a herbalist, and have a degree

in horticulture.  I must admit I have not had time to look deeply into

essential oils and experimented with them.  I do have herbal gardens to

give me the quality I want in my herbs.  This takes lots of work to get my

soil just right.   After I finish my second degree, which is Holistic

medicine, I will try and take some time to educate myself in important

aspect in healing.  It is very important that individuals use reliable

people and resorces in this field of health, which is new, but very old.

For many individuals will seem to have the answers which could be

dangerously wrong.  Keep up your good work, and I will try and continue to

do more research to do mine.  Thanks and lets keep connected.   Dee.  



On Mon, 27 Apr 1998, Ian Hunter wrote:



> Hello Dela, 

> 

> I have noticed some nice helpful and positive posts from you.  Welcome

> and keep on sharing :-)

> 

> 

> On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 01:59:19 +0100, Dela Lovecraft <dela@starmail.com>

> wrote:

> 

> >

> >New to this list (only just found it!) but thought I'd drop in this line....

> >

> >Lavender can be used as a great culinary hearb, if sparingly. Too much, and it's

> >sooooo bitter!! Anyway, classic use is to flavour sugar (much as you would with

> >vanilla pods), and infuse it in a simple stock syrup overnight to make a great

> >topping for puddings.

> >

> >And I sure that I have a recipe for lavender Ice-cream somewhere....

> >

> >

> >Dela Lovecraft

> 

> 

> Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

>             Remove the spam guard to reply

> Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html

> 

> 





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From: "Jeffrey Dach" <jdach@worldnet.att.net>

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Subject: Patrick Flanagan Neurophone-Microhydrin hoax

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I received the following message from Bill Crawford

concerning  Patrick Flanagan  inventor of Microhydrin,

the Neurophone and Pyramid Power.

After reviewing the technical information and listening to the audio tapes

on Microhydin invented by Patrick Flanagan and

distributed by Royal Body Care (a MLM company),

I am certain that Microhydrin is also another of a series of

elaborate hoaxes from Patrick Flanagan et al.

I have also reviewed the Fanagan web sites,

and old newsgroup postings www.dejasnews.com

 going back to 1993 and again I repeat that this is an

elaborate highly believable con game.

The sad thing is that this Microhydrin scam is sure to

damage the credibility of the bonafide

nutritional supplement movement.



Flanagan sites:

http://www.flantech.com/telepath.htm

http://www.csonline.net/bpaddock/nurofone/bookltr.htm

http://www.flantech.com/Index.htm

http://www.newfrontier.com/1/beyoo795.htm

http://www.csonline.net/bpaddock/nurofone/nurodeaf.htm

http://silica-hydride.com/corner/fcorner.html

http://users.penn.com/~rarearts/Colloidalconfusion.html



-----Original Message-----

From: bill crawford <krunchy@realtime.net>

To: Jeffrey Dach <jdach@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thursday, April 30, 1998 2:01 PM

Subject: Re: Flanagan Neurophone article



>Latest thoughts are complete hoax. But I've gotten more mail about this

>article than anything else I've ever written and posted on the net.

>Bill

>

>Jeffrey Dach wrote:

>>

>> Hi saw your article on the Flanagan

>> Neurophone.  What are your latest

>> thoughts on it? Is the whole thing an

>> elaborate high tech ruse.  Or is it for real?

>>

>> Jeffrey Dach, M.D.









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I have used a Chinese patent formula for over 5 years to alleviate

gallbladder pain. They are called Lidan tablets or Li Dan Pian.  They

are listed as #58 in the Jake Fratkin book "Chinese Herbal Patent

Formulas,  a practical guide."



Blessed are the flexible, for they shall never get bent out of shape!



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O>

>I have used a Chinese patent formula for over 5 years to alleviate

>gallbladder pain. They are called Lidan tablets or Li Dan Pian.  They

>are listed as #58 in the Jake Fratkin book "Chinese Herbal Patent

>Formulas,  a practical guide."



A word of caution for those of you with gall stones, the formula may cause

ejection of the stone into the bile duct. This formula is designed for

cholecystitis (inflamed gall bladder) primarily and must be used cautiosly when

stones are present.



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From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

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On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:37:28 GMT,

ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter) wrote:



>However the main reason for this post is in relation to Cellulite. 

>

>On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:15:08 -0700, Rachel Berry

><RachelsTouch@involved.com> wrote:

>

>>Many women now are wanting to get rid of cellulite.  This condition is caused by

>>a tightening of the tissues under the skin due mostly to age.  You can take

>>herbs to increase circulation, cleanse the liver, cleanse the blood, etc.  But

>>herbs only are no substitute for a healthy life style...exercise and proper

>>diet.  One of the only ways to get rid of cellulite is to surgically cut the

>>tissues that are tightening.  Herbs sure can help, but you need other factors to

>>create balance.

>This aspect our evolution is why we as animals are prone to being over

>weight.  However this natural store, in women is also used to hold

>toxins.  These are produced by the body or from our over processed

>foods, are also locked into this fatty layer.  It is these toxins

>combined with the tightning of the fatty tissues that produces this

>"Orange Peel Look" of Cellulite.  

>

>In France it is seen as an illness due to the toxins that are bound

>into the fat layer.   As Rachel says the only way to fully remove this

>problem is via surgury, but by using Herbs or Aromatherapy, you can

>help the body to remove the toxins from the body.  In Aromatherapy the

>action of Petrissage on the fatty layer will aid the release of these

>toxins, and help break up the hard structure of the tissue.  

>

Umm... my own suspicion is that "Cellulite" is actually the correct

French term for "Marketing Opportunity".  Have a *good* look at the

products that are sold to "control" Cellulite.  Most of them aren't

actually going to do anything for the body.  Fancy massage mitts just

slightly bruise the skin, causing perfectly natural swelling.



The fat which people find so "unsightly" is perfectly normal, and

perfectly okay.  The kinds of "toxins" which are supposed to be

"stored in the fat layer" are never really specified - as far as I am

aware, though, the only chemical which is stored for long periods of

time in the body fat is the active one in cannabis!  



Rather than campaigning against your "Cellulite" women, start

campaigning against the ongoing effort to define women and who they

should be by how they look.  Do something useful, rather than fighting

against nature!



<end rant>



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

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From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

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On Fri, 01 May 1998 06:24:54 GMT, magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg,

The Magpie) wrote:



>On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 18:37:28 GMT,

>ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter) wrote:

>

>>However the main reason for this post is in relation to Cellulite. 

>>

>>On Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:15:08 -0700, Rachel Berry

>><RachelsTouch@involved.com> wrote:

>>

>>>Many women now are wanting to get rid of cellulite.  This condition is caused by

>>>a tightening of the tissues under the skin due mostly to age.  You can take

>>>herbs to increase circulation, cleanse the liver, cleanse the blood, etc.  But

>>>herbs only are no substitute for a healthy life style...exercise and proper

>>>diet.  One of the only ways to get rid of cellulite is to surgically cut the

>>>tissues that are tightening.  Herbs sure can help, but you need other factors to

>>>create balance.

>>This aspect our evolution is why we as animals are prone to being over

>>weight.  However this natural store, in women is also used to hold

>>toxins.  These are produced by the body or from our over processed

>>foods, are also locked into this fatty layer.  It is these toxins

>>combined with the tightning of the fatty tissues that produces this

>>"Orange Peel Look" of Cellulite.  

>>

>>In France it is seen as an illness due to the toxins that are bound

>>into the fat layer.   As Rachel says the only way to fully remove this

>>problem is via surgury, but by using Herbs or Aromatherapy, you can

>>help the body to remove the toxins from the body.  In Aromatherapy the

>>action of Petrissage on the fatty layer will aid the release of these

>>toxins, and help break up the hard structure of the tissue.  

>>

>Umm... my own suspicion is that "Cellulite" is actually the correct

>French term for "Marketing Opportunity".  Have a *good* look at the

>products that are sold to "control" Cellulite.  Most of them aren't

>actually going to do anything for the body.  Fancy massage mitts just

>slightly bruise the skin, causing perfectly natural swelling.



Hello meg,



I agree that there are a lot of people and companies that are trying

to sell completely useless products.  However there are Essential oils

that people can obtain from a location local to them that will assist

in breacking down the hardening of the fatty layer, and help the body

release toxins.  



>The fat which people find so "unsightly" is perfectly normal, and

>perfectly okay.  



I tottaly agree that if it is just what others find "unsightly", then

that is their problem.  If however there is something that can be done

and it will make you feel better {A personal sense of well being is

95% of feeling healthy},  then making the changes that make you feel

better and more healthy will improve your health.



>The kinds of "toxins" which are supposed to be

>"stored in the fat layer" are never really specified - as far as I am

>aware, though, the only chemical which is stored for long periods of

>time in the body fat is the active one in cannabis!  



The body produces thousands of different chemicals that need to be

processed out of the body every day.  However if due to illness or

suppressed imune system, the liver, kidneys, or lymph system may not

be able to process these chemical toxins or waste products out of the

system.  To avoid damaging the body these are locked away so they dont

and cant cause the body harm.  Further if the body ingests a toxin

like a heavy metal, lead as an example, the body can not excreat this

and it will be stored in the body where it will do least damage.

There are other examples such as stones in the kidney that are formed

as the result of un matabilised minerals {In this case a useful

substance becomes a toxin} like calcium and magnisium getting bound

into the body. 

  

>

>Rather than campaigning against your "Cellulite" women, start

>campaigning against the ongoing effort to define women and who they

>should be by how they look.  Do something useful, rather than fighting

>against nature!



It is vital that you dont try and fight against nature.  Spending all

your time trying to be different from who you are and the way that

nature made you, is a fruitless battle.  All any of us can do is make

the best of ourselves, and utilise nature and natural processes to

assist in living the best life we can.  A healthy lifestyle where we

live a short but fulfiled life must be better than a long and misrable

one.





Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

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From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

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I agree with Ian on this one. Cellulite is trapped toxins in the skin. I =

know 10 year old children with cellulite, women of all different ages =

with cellulite, and even a handful of men who are overweight with =

cellulite.

Here is an article written by J. Lynn Wilde, N.D., Ph.D. Information on =

cellulite was taken from an article by Dr. Samuel Hartley, Ph.D., titled =

"Doctors Report on Cellulite".



"An age old problem still haunts women today. Year after year, new =

gimmicks are introduced to get rid of cellulite.

There were the salt solutions, hot oils, herbal solutions, clay wraps, =

seaweed wraps, and today, the thigh creams. Each one reported to be the =

next miracle to get rid of cellulite.

Frankly, research shows that none of the above do any more than cause a =

temporary loss of water from the fat cells, which returns as fluids are =

ingested.

According to extensive studies conducted in Germany in the late 70's, by =

Drs. Nuimberger and Muller, it was found that cellulite formation has =

its basis in the structure of the subcutaneous fatty layer that is =

unique to females.

At the top of these upright fat cells, arc-shaped domes are formed which =

are weak and more prone to fold and buckle under the pressures of excess =

weight, water retention, or a sedentary lifestyle.

This, in turn, causes smaller compartments of fat cells (papillae =

adiposae) to then break up and cluster tightly just under the skin. This =

combination creates the change of appearance in the skin's surface that =

we know as cellulite.

According to a study done by Drs. Sherwitz and Braun-Falco, also in late =

70's, a cause of the rippling effect of cellulite is water retention in =

adipose (fatty) tissues. The researchers observed clear signs of fluid =

invasion in the connective fibers of the upper layers of the skin.

The retained fluids cause visible swelling of thighs, hips and abdomen, =

etc., but even worse, the toxic wastes they contain break down the =

all-important collagen and elastin fibers that keep the skin firm and =

smooth.

While they found that the direct cause of cellulite is the breakdown of =

the connective fibers, they determined that the biggest reason for this =

breakdown was poor blood circulation. However, toxic accumulation and =

fluid retention are a major contributing factor in the formation of =

cellulite.

Loss of blood flow to an area, whether from the lack of exercise, =

excessive sitting, clogged arteries, or nutrient deficiency, can have a =

disastrous impact on cellulite formation.

According to cellulite experts, cellulite generally chooses areas with =

poor circulation, to start with, which in turn slows circulation even =

more. The amount of damage that inhibited blood flow can do in fragile =

connective tissues cannot be calculated, but every system of the body is =

adversely affected when circulation is reduced or blocked.

In addition, valuable reconstuctive materials like Vitamin E, the fatty =

acids, selenium, and Vitamin C are prevented from doing their normal =

repair job. As a result, the sagging, rippled cellulite can affect even =

slim women in good physical condition.



How Then Do I Get Rid Of Cellulite?



The most important job in eliminating cellulite is to restore normal, =

healthy, vigorous circulation to cellulite prone areas.

Aerobic exercise, jogging, dancing, jumping rope, etc., help but because =

cellulite tissues are so densely packed and circulation has become so =

poor, exercise is rarely enough to restore healthy circulation.

Niacin (in the form of nicotinic acid) has the documented ability to =

widen and open blood vessels all through the body. It is especially =

effective in opening in opening the smaller blood vessels and =

capillaries near the surface of the skin, even in hard-to-reach =

cellulite constricted areas. Also, taking supplemental niacin orally was =

found to be helpful.

External massage done with a sponge or cloth was found to have a similar =

effect on circulation.

It was found that specially prepared herbal creams, that penetrate the =

cellulite tissues, would literally drain out cellulite water and wastes.

When used with an external wrap, which increased heat in the tissues, =

immediate results were seen.

Also, it was found that cleansing herbs would remove waste accumulations =

in the connective tissues.=20

It is estimated that as much as 95% of all disease starts in the colon. =

The trapped waste materials that have been referred to are carried from =

the colon into the connective tissue and are deposited, forming =

cellulite."





Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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It is my understanding that "cellulite" is just an commercially

opportunistic term for the way fat deposits are naturally formed in

women's lower bodies.  Getting rid of it means getting rid of the

fat.



I've heard that frequent vigorous massage and taking pinapple and papaya

enzymes may improve the appearance by changing the connective tissue

around the fat deposits, but don't know if there is any truth to it.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



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From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

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On 2 May 98 15:58:45 GMT, jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie) wrote:



>It is my understanding that "cellulite" is just an commercially

>opportunistic term for the way fat deposits are naturally formed in

>women's lower bodies.  Getting rid of it means getting rid of the

>fat.

>

>I've heard that frequent vigorous massage and taking pinapple and papaya

>enzymes may improve the appearance by changing the connective tissue

>around the fat deposits, but don't know if there is any truth to it.



True - any "cellulite" treatment tends to just deal with the

*appearance* of the problem.  Cellulite = fat.  That's all it is,

perfectly normal body fat, with no "toxins", no "wastes" or soforth

that are not found in body fat in any other area of the body.  The

reason for the "orange peel" look to it is that the fat storage cells

are overloaded - a perfectly normal famine survival method.



Anyone trying to tell you that they can "cure" cellulite is seeking to

take the weight off your wallet.  Don't listen to them.  Cellulite,

like "Body Odour" and "Dandruff" is an *invented* disease of the 20th

Century, created by the Marketing people to sell product.



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm



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In article <wgcid$1$g170$h302$i10$j350c1259@gratisnet.com>, wl-ski@gratisnet.com (WL Sakowski) wrote:

->I know that chickweed *does* (traditional use) consume

->cellulite.   And, anything that would help with fatty deposits



Do you know people who have had luck with chickweed for cellulite?

Is it taken internally or applied externally?



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Meg, The Magpie wrote in message <35496930.8727912@loomi.telstra.net>...

>- as far as I am

>aware, though, the only chemical which is stored for long periods of

>time in the body fat is the active one in cannabis!





Aw, come on, Meg.  Surely you must be aware that there are many chemicals

(both naturally-occurring and artificial) that are perfectly capable of

being "stored" in body fat.  The cannabinols, etc. are certainly discussed

more, but any reasonably stable non-polar compound that finds its way into

the body may be chemically attracted and bound to body fat and accumulate to

some extent.  This I believe is the justification for at least some of the

theory behind using detox therapy.  And of course you are aware that the

inorganic components of many of the substances we ingest can also be trapped

in the body, most notably the heavy metals.  The question of course is

whether any evidence exists that one or another herbal preparation can

increase or improve the body's natural ability to flush out these poisons.



-Rich









From osiris120@aol.com Fri May 01 09:40:40 1998

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From: osiris120@aol.com (Osiris120)

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I was wondering if anyone knows of any herbs used i the treatment of shaky leg

syndrome. No it's not a joke. 2 people I know have it and apparently it's very

uncomfortable and frustrating.  Would appreciate any feedback.



email me at  osiris120@aol.com



Thanks in advance.

Tom



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Osiris120 wrote:

> 

> I was wondering if anyone knows of any herbs used i the treatment of shaky leg

> syndrome. No it's not a joke. 2 people I know have it and apparently it's very

> uncomfortable and frustrating.  Would appreciate any feedback.

> 

> email me at  osiris120@aol.com

> 

> Thanks in advance.

> Tom



-------



Hey Tom,



I get the jumpy leg thing.  It is absolutely impossible to explain to

anyone who doesn't have it.  I don't even know if it's got a name.  It

strikes when you are most trying to either sit still or relax and the

only cure I have is to get up and stretch like jip - difficult in the

theatre etc - or vigorous calf massage - which looks suspiciously like

masturbation seen from behind.  It's no big deal really, but very

annoying.



I think ginkgo is *supposed* to help by increasing blood flow to lower

extremities but one month of 60mg 24/6 hasn't helped me.  (Mind sharper

than a new razor blade though....!)



Stretch on brother!



Nick



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The shaky leg problem indicates that there is a problem with the nervous

system and maybe an underlying circulation weakness.  The things I use to

help people overcome this problem are all natural and seem to be quite

effective.



I tailor my programs to the individual so if you could tell me a little more

information about the symptoms that each of your friends have, I would be

more than willing to set up a complete herbal program for them.  Just let me

know if you are interested.  I have had very good results using herbs and

nutritional supplements to heal and balance nervous system disorders.



Thanks,

Casey









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>I was wondering if anyone knows of any herbs used i the treatment of shaky

>leg

>syndrome. No it's not a joke. 2 people I know have it and apparently it's

>very

>uncomfortable and frustrating.  Would appreciate any feedback.

>

>



My Dad used to suffer from this and my grand dad...we call it Restless

Legs...that's what the dr. always called it anyway. 



You might like to look into taking Butcher's Broom for it.  My daughter's

teacher takes it for his Restless Legs and swears its done wonders for him.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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Tom wrote:

>I was wondering if anyone knows of any herbs used in the treatment of shaky

leg

>syndrome. No it's not a joke. 2 people I know have it and apparently it's

very

>uncomfortable and frustrating.  Would appreciate any feedback.

>email me at  osiris120@aol.com

>Tom

<>

Tom,

Most muscle cramps occurr at night and affect the

legs, especially the calf muscles and the feet.

This is thought to be caused by an imbalance

 in the levels of calcium, magnesium and/or

deficiency of Vitamin E,   Try a good Calcium

magnesium supplement and Vitamin E.

Other causes to be considered:

poor circulation, tobacco use, anemia,

inactivity, dehydration, hypothyroidism etc.

<>

You can find more information at my web

site nutrition page:

http://www.medexpert.net/nutrition.htm

If you would like more information on this

or simply on a basic high quality nutritional

supplement program, let me know and

I will send you my current recommendations.

<>

Jeffrey Dach, M.D.

e-mail address: jdach@worldnet.att.net

My Web Sites:  http://www.medexpert.net

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Subject: Re: Shaky Leg Syndrome.

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Not that this has a whole to do with shaky leg syndrome, but I can attest to

the benefits of additional calcium to help with leg cramps at night.  I was

having terrible problems with nightly leg cramps.  My doctor prescribed

milk, a 16 oz glass with every meal.  I haven't had a single leg cramp since

I've been drinking milk on a regular basis.  The reason I can't take a

supplement is due to stomach problems.  For some reason, every calcium

supplement I tried caused an upset stomach.  I don't know why the milk

wouldn't cause similar problems, but it doesn't.  (Aside from the calories,

I enjoy the milk a whole lot more anyway.)



John Mueller



Jeffrey Dach wrote in message <6igpud$kna@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

>Tom,

>Most muscle cramps occurr at night and affect the

>legs, especially the calf muscles and the feet.

>This is thought to be caused by an imbalance

> in the levels of calcium, magnesium and/or

>deficiency of Vitamin E,   Try a good Calcium

>magnesium supplement and Vitamin E.



<Snip>



>Jeffrey Dach, M.D.

>e-mail address: jdach@worldnet.att.net

>My Web Sites:  http://www.medexpert.net

>http://www.medexpert.net/nutrition.htm







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In article <6igpud$kna@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Jeffrey Dach

<jdach@worldnet.att.net> writes

>Tom wrote:

>>I was wondering if anyone knows of any herbs used in the treatment of shaky

>leg

>>syndrome. No it's not a joke. 2 people I know have it and apparently it's

>very

>>uncomfortable and frustrating.  Would appreciate any feedback.

>>email me at  osiris120@aol.com

>>Tom

Valerian and Scullcap can help, as Valerian relaxes the muscles which

helps to stop the shaking, I have tried it with a friend with this

problem which is embarasing and annoying. and it works well. 

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From pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net Tue May 05 00:40:18 1998

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Tom wrote:

>I was wondering if anyone knows of any herbs used in the treatment of shaky

leg

>syndrome. No it's not a joke. 2 people I know have it and apparently it's

>very

>uncomfortable and frustrating.  Would appreciate any feedback.

>email me at  osiris120@aol.com

>Tom





Tom, I sometimes get the same thing you describe, when my legs are either

very tired or (oddly enough) when they don't get enough exercise.  I

sometimes resort to prescription muscle relaxers, but I've had good luck

with mild cases using a combination of skullcap and wood betony capsules

(two of each).  Both are good at calming the nerves.  If you can stomach the

taste of Rue leaves (ruta graveolens), it's another herb I've found useful

for twitches in the voluntary muscles.  By voluntary muscles I mean the

skeletal muscles (also called striated muscle).  Many of the

"anti-spasmodic" herbs seem to work mainly on the nerves controlling the

smooth muscle tissue of the digestive system, but these three herbs do seem

to help with skeletal muscle / nerve related problems.



Another thing I've found helpful (which reinforces the circulation

connection) is to sit on the floor and rub my legs with a little massage

oil.  I usually start at the thighs and work down (just because it's

easiest), using my finger tips and the heels of my hands.  I use long smooth

strokes along the length of the larger muscles.  Any places that are

especially tender or sore get extra attention (in my case that's often the

band of tissue that runs just alongside the broad bone surface of the lower

legs).



Hope this helps.



-Rich









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Osiris120 wrote:

> 

> I was wondering if anyone knows of any herbs used i the treatment of shaky leg

> syndrome. No it's not a joke. 2 people I know have it and apparently it's very

> uncomfortable and frustrating.  Would appreciate any feedback.

> 

> email me at  osiris120@aol.com

> 

> Thanks in advance.

> Tom

Some people find that an increase in dietary calcium can be helpful,

especially in young women.

	Mike Acord



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> Thomas Bravard wrote in message <01bd6f05$763bebc0$67f8aecc@thumb>...

> >Anybody know any herbal equivalents to anti-inflammatory

> >drugs.

> >

> >I have heard that boiled willowbark can have that effect...

> >

> >replies to thumb@direct.ca

> >

> > Thomas





-----------



Hi Thomas,



I'm a bit late on this thread and maybe someone pointed this out already

but willow bark contains salicin which was later synthesized as

salicylic acid then acetyl salicylic acid - aka aspirin - way back in

the 19th century.  So yes, you are right, white willow (salix alba) bark

extract is an anti-inflammatory.



(There are plenty of other plants that contain salicylates (poplar;

cowslip; meadowsweet etc) and there are other antiinflammatory

substances in other plants.  A read through the literature etc will give

you a better idea).



To come back to salicyn, what I don't know and would welcome comment

from wiser heads is whether people who are sensitive to aspirin (ie

stomach sensitivity) should also avoid natural salicin.  I see

conflicting comments:  Deni Brown (Royal Hort. Soc. Encyclop. of Herbs)

says no.  Earl Mindell claims willow extract also contains tannins which

are good for the stomach (for my info: is this guy any good?); 



Anyone any first hand knowledge?





And a final comment about what I do know:



I buy aspirin BP93/US23 from China at just at/under USD2/kg on a CIF

Europe basis. (full container lots = 15MT).   Assuming 500mg tablets,

that's 2000 tablets for 2 bucks worth of aspirin plus a few excipients,

maybe a bit of caffeine etc.  (Think about that next time you see the

cost of the fancy name-brand product).



The last couple of hundred kilos of Salix Alba extract 7% min salicin I

bought out of Europe cost over USD60/kg.



USD2.   USD60.



Willow Bark - the safe preserve of the middle class headache....?





Nick (the trader)



From ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk Fri May 01 15:23:36 1998

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Hi folks,



With all this talk of cures for Toenail and Feet Fungus infections, I

thought I would post my Aromatherapy cure.



The recipe is as follows;



Lemongrass	{Cymbopogan Flexuosus}	8 Drops

Tagetes		{Tagetes Minuta}		3 drops

Tea Tree	{Melaeuca Alternifolia}		4 drops



The Essential oils are then diluted to a 5% dilution, to 15ml in a

carrier oil.  My preferance would be Macadmia Nut, but any suitable

vegetable carrier oil will do.



This blend of oils can be massaged on to the feet and between the

toes.  Use once or twice a day.  



It will show its effect on mild infections in a week to ten days, and

more pernisious infections in three to four weeks.  However I have

seen it take as long as ten weeks to clear one infection.



What is great about this blend is it will help keep the feet fresh and

can be used as preventative messure as well.  As you dont need lots of

oil either it is much cheaper than any other solution to this problem

on the market too.





Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

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The roots help to boost the immune system and generate anti-cancer cells

in the body.



Hope this helps.



Tina





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On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:36:11 +0200, "interagent" <ia@interagent.st.no>

wrote:



>Can someone provide more info regarding this plant?

>Best regards,

>Heidi

>

Astragalus is an immune builder, to help prevent infection and to help

recover from one. If you have had a cold, mastitis (breast infection),

ear infection, immune disorder, of simply feel run down, it is good to

take. It is a chinese herb that people use like echinacea here in the

U.S. and is quite safe. People take a tincture or a tea made from the

plant which looks like wood chips when you buy it. 

Hope this gives a small bit of information.

Shannon B.



_____________________________________________________________________

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On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:34:51 GMT, eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:



>Your senses have evolved over the millenia to tell

>wholesome from harmful.  

<snip>

>Now, don't you think your body is trying to tell

>you something when you gag?  I think olive oil has

>the best flavor, and science seems to agree that it's

>the best (or one of the best) oils from the health

>point of view.

>



Olive oil *is* one of the best oils, healthwise. But so is flax seed

oil. I have a hunch their body is telling them "I don't like a

mouthful of oil". Personally, a tablespoon full of straight olive oil

would make *me* gag, and the flax seed oil probably would too. 

After all, millions of people eat a terribly unhealthy diet, simply

because they eat what smells/tastes/looks better to them--ie.

chocolate, pastries, burgers, fries, bacon, etc. Until you get used to

it, and learn to actually *enjoy* eating healthy, it can be tough to

choose an apple over say strawberry cheesecake or fudge brownies. So

the senses can be very misleading sometimes.

My suggestion would be to use it as a salad dressing ingredient, green

salads, pasta salads, tuna salads. And I use olive oil, instead of

other oils, in my stir-frys. Use it when making breads and such. Get

creative. About the only limits to substituting with olive oil is that

you don't really want to fry eggs or french fries(which you shouldn't

eat often anyhow) in it. I would assume the same could apply to flax

oil as well.



JMHO,

GCM



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witchy@zianet.com (Spirit Explorer) wrote:



>On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 14:05:15 GMT, mmcavoy@escape.ca (Michelle) wrote:



>>

>>I was just wondering......

>>

>>I find it difficult to swallow flax oil on its own, but I prefer to take the 

>>liquid form over encapsulated flax oil.... sometimes I'd mix some flax oil in 

>>yogurt to take it that way, but I don't always want to eat yogurt every day... 

>>so I tried mixing a tablespoon of flax oil with a glass of orange juice, 

>>stirring a lot, and then drinking it up quickly.   



>Why don't you just use the flax seeds in different breads, muffins,

>ect.? That way you wouldn't have to worry about taste because they are

>great that way. I used to own a bakery and I sold a lot of these

>specialty items and they are low in fat, sugar, and salt also. A

>number of the recipes I use have honey instead of refined sugar. If

>you would like any of my recipes, then just email me and let me know.



>Elaine



I have been eating two tbs per day and it reminds me a little of the

cod liver oil that my mom used to feed me when I was a kid :-).  I

usually use it "neat" and sometimes use a dab of peppermint oil

afterwards to kill the oily taste.  It also works well on salads in

Italian salad dressing and it is virtually undetectable there.  The

taste isn't that bad...just different :-)

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In article <354a00fc.34271346@nntp.netcomuk.co.uk>, jmarnell@netcomuk.SPAMBLOCKER.co.uk wrote:

->On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 15:34:51 GMT, eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:



->creative. About the only limits to substituting with olive oil is that

->you don't really want to fry eggs or french fries(which you shouldn't

->eat often anyhow) in it. I would assume the same could apply to flax

->oil as well.



I've never tried it with salad before, so maybe I'll do that...  but since you 

aren't supposed to heat flax oil, I wouldn't bother using it for frying. 

I don't mind it mixed with yogurt though, especially with some wheat germ 

mixed in... it absorbs the oil.   



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On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 17:37:48 GMT, witchy@zianet.com (Spirit Explorer)

wrote:





>>I find it difficult to swallow flax oil on its own, but I prefer to take the 

>>liquid form over encapsulated flax oil.... sometimes I'd mix some flax oil in 

>>yogurt to take it that way, but I don't always want to eat yogurt every day... 

>>so I tried mixing a tablespoon of flax oil with a glass of orange juice, 

>>stirring a lot, and then drinking it up quickly.   



My Dad began taking flax oil when he discovered he had inoperable

prostate cancer. He followed a plan developed by Dr. Budwig in

Germany.  Today the cancer is all gone Thankfully.



Dr. Budwig says that in order for the body to utilize the oils

effectively you need to use yogurt or prefferably low-fat cottage

cheese with it.  Dad just mixed the oil with the cheese and added a

little apple butter.



We started using Barlean's high lignin oil recently.  It tastes like

hazelnuts and doesn't have the same oily taste as other oils have.



Might be worth a try.



If you'd be interested in Dad's experiences take a look at

http://www.public.usit.net/spinner/index.html



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What herb are good to help  reduce Cholesterol







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Oat Bran will help do it.

-- 

Carol ...

*** Music Library: Bach in a minuet. ***

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~}<{{{o>





FoxPro <foxpro@conc.tds.net> wrote in article <6idjoi$l3i@news2.tds.net>...

> What herb are good to help  reduce Cholesterol

> 

> 

> 



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Garlic, garlic, garlic!! Eating garlic in your food has been proven to

reduce cholesterol.  It is also an anti-bacterial agent and one of the

only plants proven to kill viruses.  I'd say eat as much garlic as you can

stand.  Of course, if you don't like garlic, that would be pretty hard to

do.

emily





On 2 May 1998, ~ Gossimer Fairy ~ wrote:



> Oat Bran will help do it.

> -- 

> Carol ...

> *** Music Library: Bach in a minuet. ***

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> 

> 

> FoxPro <foxpro@conc.tds.net> wrote in article <6idjoi$l3i@news2.tds.net>...

> > What herb are good to help  reduce Cholesterol

> > 

> > 

> > 

> 

> 





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On that note, Emily!



I generally prefer to eat the real thing rather than take a concentrate or

supplement.  I cook with a couple of cloves of garlic probably 3-4 times a week.

Is this "enough" do you have any suggestions for how to get more cooked/raw

garlic into a vegetarian diet?



Thanks,



Paul



Emily wrote:



> Garlic, garlic, garlic!! Eating garlic in your food has been proven to

> reduce cholesterol.  It is also an anti-bacterial agent and one of the

> only plants proven to kill viruses.  I'd say eat as much garlic as you can

> stand.  Of course, if you don't like garlic, that would be pretty hard to

> do.

> emily

>

> On 2 May 1998, ~ Gossimer Fairy ~ wrote:

>

> > Oat Bran will help do it.

> > --

> > Carol ...

> > *** Music Library: Bach in a minuet. ***

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~}<{{{o>

> >

> >

> > FoxPro <foxpro@conc.tds.net> wrote in article <6idjoi$l3i@news2.tds.net>...

> > > What herb are good to help  reduce Cholesterol

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >









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Well, how much garlic can you stand?  My general suggestions are pretty

basic.  I use garlic in scrambled eggs, chop up about 3 cloves for fresh

organic guacamole, use it liberally in hummus, press it and put it on

toast for easy garlic bread, add it to organic tomato sauce for italian

zest... then there is the more exotic approach.  I've know people to

lightly roast garlic and chocolate cover it, bake it into pineapple upside

down cake and make ice cream out of it.  I guess it just all depends on

how creative you can be.  I would recommend using as much raw garlic as

possible as cooking it can destroy enzymes and such.  You can never eat

"enough" garlic!! I don't know the exact recommendations for reducing

cholesterol off the top of my head - I'll have to get back to you on that. 



Emily 



On Thu, 7 May 1998, Paul Doherty wrote:



> On that note, Emily!

> 

> I generally prefer to eat the real thing rather than take a concentrate or

> supplement.  I cook with a couple of cloves of garlic probably 3-4 times a week.

> Is this "enough" do you have any suggestions for how to get more cooked/raw

> garlic into a vegetarian diet?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Paul

> 





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On Sat, 9 May 1998 00:47:33 -0600, Emily <em@dev.null> wrote:



>

>Well, how much garlic can you stand?  My general suggestions are pretty

>basic.  I use garlic in scrambled eggs, chop up about 3 cloves for fresh

>organic guacamole, use it liberally in hummus, press it and put it on

>toast for easy garlic bread, add it to organic tomato sauce for italian

>zest... then there is the more exotic approach.  I've know people to

>lightly roast garlic and chocolate cover it, bake it into pineapple upside

>down cake and make ice cream out of it.  I guess it just all depends on

>how creative you can be.  I would recommend using as much raw garlic as

>possible as cooking it can destroy enzymes and such.  You can never eat

>"enough" garlic!! I don't know the exact recommendations for reducing

>cholesterol off the top of my head - I'll have to get back to you on that. 

>

>Emily 

>

>



I like the flavor of garlic, too, but it's sure not a social

vegetable.  I worked with a guy who believe like you-the more the

better. You could smell him five feet away. He didn't have many

friends. He died a few years ago from an aneurism without ever making

it to retirement.



I have a feeling he could still be detected with the casket closed.



/SC





_ _ _



The Old Man and the C:\



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Sounds like the onion and garlic diet.  You don't lose any weight, but you look

small from far away!



sir coffee wrote:



> On Sat, 9 May 1998 00:47:33 -0600, Emily <em@dev.null> wrote:

>

> >

> >Well, how much garlic can you stand?  My general suggestions are pretty

> >basic.  I use garlic in scrambled eggs, chop up about 3 cloves for fresh

> >organic guacamole, use it liberally in hummus, press it and put it on

> >toast for easy garlic bread, add it to organic tomato sauce for italian

> >zest... then there is the more exotic approach.  I've know people to

> >lightly roast garlic and chocolate cover it, bake it into pineapple upside

> >down cake and make ice cream out of it.  I guess it just all depends on

> >how creative you can be.  I would recommend using as much raw garlic as

> >possible as cooking it can destroy enzymes and such.  You can never eat

> >"enough" garlic!! I don't know the exact recommendations for reducing

> >cholesterol off the top of my head - I'll have to get back to you on that.

> >

> >Emily

> >

> >

>

> I like the flavor of garlic, too, but it's sure not a social

> vegetable.  I worked with a guy who believe like you-the more the

> better. You could smell him five feet away. He didn't have many

> friends. He died a few years ago from an aneurism without ever making

> it to retirement.

>

> I have a feeling he could still be detected with the casket closed.

>

> /SC

>

> _ _ _

>

> The Old Man and the C:\









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FoxPro wrote in message <6idjoi$l3i@news2.tds.net>...

>What herb are good to help  reduce Cholesterol

>

There are a number of nutritional supplements

that lower cholesterol.

High fiber diet with a

product such as Rexall Bios-Life 2 has been well

studied and is very good at reducing cholesterol

safely and without drugs.

Garlic- studies show  reduction in cholesterol.

Gingko- increases blood flow to brain and extremities

Vitamin C- numerous population studies show

lowers risk of cardiovascular disease,

lowers total cholesterol and HDL.

Selenium -anti-oxidant which prevents

Keshan's cardiomyopathy.

Coenzyme Q10-has been shown useful inpatients

with hypertension and elevated cholesterol.

Omega-3-fatty acids lower choilesterol and

triglyceride levels. -found in fish oils and flax seed oil.

You can find more information at my web site nutrition page:

http://www.medexpert.net/nutrition.htm

If you would like more information on this

or simply on a basic high quality nutritional supplement

program, let me know and I will send you

my current recommendations.

Jeffrey Dach, M.D.

e-mail address: jdach@worldnet.att.net

My Web Sites:  http://www.medexpert.net

http://www.medexpert.net/nutrition.htm











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In article <6idjoi$l3i@news2.tds.net>#1/1,

  "FoxPro" <foxpro@conc.tds.net> wrote:

>

> What herb are good to help  reduce Cholesterol

>

>Why do you have "cholesterol" in the first place.  Is it for yourself?  Is it

for someone else, you ask.



Often, looking at your diet to determine what foods may be raising your levels

is the first step.  If it is not dietary but something else, then obviously a

change of diet is not the answer.



There are many ways of reducing cholesterol in the blood, but first it is best

to see someone who is a professional in the area of medicine you choose to

treat it with.



Herbs do not work the same way as drugs do, and I know of no herbs that

literally reduce cholesterol like a drug does.  Perhaps the closest substance

that can dissolve cholesterol is garlic.  Other supplements are Oat Bran but

better than Oat bran is Psyllium Hulls and there is also Lecithin which is a

great old stand-by.



Hope this is of help.  If not, then I am sure our medicos out there will be

willing to share their opinions of what drug is best.

Elivera.





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vitality@gate.net

<<If you want to believe all that mumbo-jumbo that you've written, fine. But it

doesn't do anything to explain how the Bach Flower Remedies have been known to

effect such remarkable results on animals and babies who've not been known to

indulge in rituals, book-reading or self-hypnosis, and who take the remedies in

their drinking water and don't even know they're ingesting anything other than

H2O. >>



But you can't eliminate the effect of the observer.  If a mother uses a BFR on

her child SHE knows she has used it and may conciously alter her behavior in

response.  Likewise for pet owners.   If there was a double-blind study (where

neither the person dispensing the remedy nor the recipient knows if the drops

are BFR's or distilled water, for instance) of BFR's demonstrating their

"scientific" efficacy that would be a different story.  I am not aware of any

such study.  Until I have access to such research (and not second-hand accounts

of such studies or anecdotal evidence) then I can't say there is a "scientific"

basis for such effects, which leaves psychological or metaphysical causes.  I

gave the psychological cause as best I could.  The originator of the thread

wasn't asking for a metaphysical explanation but a physical one.



>---Broomstick---





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There have been double blind and other scientific research done on flower

extracts. 



Contact Patricia Kaminiski  through the FES  company for the results. The 

results are also published in the book "flower essences repritory" which she

also co-wrote.



I know they have a web site. E-mail them direct your concerns and questions.



Mora

Dragonmarsh is not  just a store, it's an addiction !



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Idgie wrote:

> 

> Hello,

>     Forgive me for barging in on your n.g..  I've been hanging around in

> the background for awhile and now, find myself with a question.

>     My dentist is unable to see me for a few days and I suddenly have a

> tooth/gum infection that is causing a tremendous amount of pain from the

> site of the infection through the nasal passages and ears.  Is there

> anything I can take for the pain or to shrink the swelling until I am

> able to have it treated?  I've heard that a garlic clove will help.  Is

> this true?

> 

> Idgie

Hi,

Am not sure about garlic cloves but if you rub apple cider vinegar on

the sore gum this will help relieve the pain. Also as a wonderful

on-going way to strengthen the immunity system, put a teaspoon of apple

cider vinegar and a teaspoon of honey into a cup of boiling water and

drink every day. Have been taking this for years and my sinus trouble

has improved wonderfully and I never get winter colds anymore.

Dave



From **gabriel**@twave.net Fri May 01 16:53:22 1998

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David Poxon <norstone@speed.net.au> wrote:



>Idgie wrote:

>> 

>> Hello,

>>     Forgive me for barging in on your n.g..  I've been hanging around in

>> the background for awhile and now, find myself with a question.

>>     My dentist is unable to see me for a few days and I suddenly have a

>> tooth/gum infection that is causing a tremendous amount of pain from the

>> site of the infection through the nasal passages and ears.  Is there

>> anything I can take for the pain or to shrink the swelling until I am

>> able to have it treated?  I've heard that a garlic clove will help.  Is

>> this true?

>> 

>> Idgie

>Hi,

>Am not sure about garlic cloves but if you rub apple cider vinegar on

>the sore gum this will help relieve the pain. Also as a wonderful

>on-going way to strengthen the immunity system, put a teaspoon of apple

>cider vinegar and a teaspoon of honey into a cup of boiling water and

>drink every day. Have been taking this for years and my sinus trouble

>has improved wonderfully and I never get winter colds anymore.

>Dave



Try Lobilia.  Rub it on the gum and it should help.



Richard

Remove all "**" for E-mail reply





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>Courtney Pineau wrote in message

><6h7sj3$csa$1@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

>Does anyone have any suggestions for ways to remove mercury from 

>the body?  I was exposed to a large amount of mercury about five 

>years ago when about twenty thermometers fell from a box in a 

>cabinet and broke.  I called poison control and they advised me to 

>vacuum it up ("no big deal" they said ). The mercury was in a 

>puddle on the floor...I can  only imagine how much I was exposed to.

>

>Thanks, Courtney



The silvery liquid metal stuff that puddles on the floor is elemental mercury,

and, while it's not a good idea to play around a lot with it, the body doesn't

absorb mercury in this form very easily.  If you didn't handle it with bare

hands you're most likely off the hook, and even if you did touch it you most

likely didn't absorb a detectable amount.



What you need to watch out for it either *heated* elemental mercury (like, if

you dropped some on a hot stove top, but normal room temperature doesn't do

this) which gives off a toxic vapor you might inhale - OR - being exposed to a

mercury compound that the body might absorb more easily than the pure stuff.



If you're still concerned I'm sure you can have your blood tested for mercury

content, but the odds are that if you have a silver filling you've absorbed

more mercury from that than from your encounter with the puddle. 



>---Broomstick---





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According to my chemistry teacher, there isn't much harm in liquid mercury.

It's not easily absorbed by the skin (after all, the skin is the body's

first defense), but it IS dangerous when inhaled. If the mercury was cleaned

up fairly quickly, you wouldn't have inhaled too much. As far as I know,

there's no way to get rid of it, it's absorbed by the fat in your body,

nonremovable. Get your blood tested. Also, mercury won't have many serious

side effects, it's when you are constantly exposed to it that it'll do

damage...



Beesticker wrote in message

<1998050212474100.IAA15339@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>>Courtney Pineau wrote in message

>><6h7sj3$csa$1@newsd-133.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

>>Does anyone have any suggestions for ways to remove mercury from

>>the body?  I was exposed to a large amount of mercury about five

>>years ago when about twenty thermometers fell from a box in a

>>cabinet and broke.  I called poison control and they advised me to

>>vacuum it up ("no big deal" they said ). The mercury was in a

>>puddle on the floor...I can  only imagine how much I was exposed to.

>>

>>Thanks, Courtney

>

>The silvery liquid metal stuff that puddles on the floor is elemental

mercury,

>and, while it's not a good idea to play around a lot with it, the body

doesn't

>absorb mercury in this form very easily.  If you didn't handle it with bare

>hands you're most likely off the hook, and even if you did touch it you

most

>likely didn't absorb a detectable amount.

>

>What you need to watch out for it either *heated* elemental mercury (like,

if

>you dropped some on a hot stove top, but normal room temperature doesn't do

>this) which gives off a toxic vapor you might inhale - OR - being exposed

to a

>mercury compound that the body might absorb more easily than the pure

stuff.

>

>If you're still concerned I'm sure you can have your blood tested for

mercury

>content, but the odds are that if you have a silver filling you've absorbed

>more mercury from that than from your encounter with the puddle.

>

>>---Broomstick---

>







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On Sun, 3 May 1998, Jenn wrote:



> According to my chemistry teacher, there isn't much harm in liquid mercury.

> It's not easily absorbed by the skin (after all, the skin is the body's

> first defense), but it IS dangerous when inhaled. If the mercury was cleaned

> up fairly quickly, you wouldn't have inhaled too much. As far as I know,

> there's no way to get rid of it, it's absorbed by the fat in your body,

> nonremovable. Get your blood tested. Also, mercury won't have many serious

> side effects, it's when you are constantly exposed to it that it'll do

> damage...

> 



Transdermal absorption is as your chemistry teacher said nto a likely

route into your system, though ingestion, courtesy of smaller droplets of

mercury spalling off of a larger drop can be.  It's like the most frequent

cause of e. coli contamination and infection/poisoning (outside of poor

manufacturing practices in the meat industry) being poor or nonexistant

handwashing, particulary after bodily functions.  What you don't see can

hurt you, though the minimal exposures we typically run into (broken

thermometers, broken flourescent tubes, dental amalgams) aren't known to

be acutely damaging, the cumulative effects _are_ the ones to look out

for.  Inhalation, historically, has been one of the banes of chemists,

particularly when the mercury has found its way into the trap below a sink

and becomes a chronic source of mercury exposure as vapor (entering the

body and the blood stream via the lungs).  





 





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Hi group,

I am an Organic gardener in NYC, I just divided up my small yard into 4

raised medicinal and culinary herbal beds. I have create a small path

and laid that path with a red stone gravel. The stone has a gritty

covering and when wet-down the run off is a dark brick colored water.

Does any know if this harmful to the soil under the path? I am a little

worried If any has any information, advice it all will be appreciated.

Thank you in advance.

-Greg





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grt wrote:

> 

> Hi group,

> I am an Organic gardener in NYC, I just divided up my small yard into 4

> raised medicinal and culinary herbal beds. I have create a small path

> and laid that path with a red stone gravel. The stone has a gritty

> covering and when wet-down the run off is a dark brick colored water.

> Does any know if this harmful to the soil under the path? I am a little

> worried If any has any information, advice it all will be appreciated.

> Thank you in advance.

> -Greg





---------------



Hi Greg



The most common red pigment used in the construction industry for paving

slabs, concrete and I'm sure, yr coloured gravel, is Iron Oxide Red,

rust to you and me.  (although there are yellow and black Fe2O3's too). 

Cheap stuff, couple hundred dollars a tonne. 



Sounds like yr gravel has just been 'turned' in this pigment and it is

now washing off.  



Someone else will have to tell you if a bit of rust in the soil is going

to get picked up by yr plants and whether this is then of any harm.



Regs,



Nick



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has anyone heartworm preventatives of the herbal kind for dogs, cats?

thanks



loba kola







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In article <Pine.A41.3.95.980430204151.71870C-100000@red.weeg.uiowa.edu>, "D.

Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> writes:



> Research must be done.  Herbs are drugs

>also and one must be careful how they are used. Be forewarn and use

>caution.  



There is a great deal of reliable data out there, and a little research at your

local library should turn it up.



I've been reading through a new book that's coming out sometime this month

called the Alternative Medicine Ratings Guide, edited by Steve Bratman MD, in

which a number of qualified practitioners have rated the methods that they've

found most effective in treating common ailments. I like the approach, because

it relies on people who have clinical experience using these methods, rather

than just repeating other writing or research.  It might be worth requesting

the book through your library.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

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I'm not familiar with the Bojenmi tea, but oolong is indeed a type of Tea

(from the tea plant).  My understanding is that oolong is considered a

"semi-fermented" tea, that is, somewhere in between the "raw" green teas and

the fermented black teas.  The fermentation process, which causes the

changes in color and flavor (among other things) in black teas is

interrupted before it has gone as far as in the teas most commonly consumed

here (in the U.S.).



-Rich



Michelle wrote in message ...

>

>Is Bojenmi Chinese Tea a type of green tea?  I have heard that half of it

is

>made up of oolong tea - what exactly is oolong tea, and is it similar to

green

>tea?   Would BCT have those "chemicals" (forget their names) that are

present

>in green tea which have shown to be helpful for cancer, etc?

>

>Thanks.







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On Sat, 2 May 1998 15:01:35 -0400, "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>I'm not familiar with the Bojenmi tea, but oolong is indeed a type of Tea

>(from the tea plant).  My understanding is that oolong is considered a

>"semi-fermented" tea, that is, somewhere in between the "raw" green teas and

>the fermented black teas.  The fermentation process, which causes the

>changes in color and flavor (among other things) in black teas is

>interrupted before it has gone as far as in the teas most commonly consumed

>here (in the U.S.).

>

>-Rich

>

>Michelle wrote in message ...

>>

>>Is Bojenmi Chinese Tea a type of green tea?  I have heard that half of it

>is

>>made up of oolong tea - what exactly is oolong tea, and is it similar to

>green

>>tea?   Would BCT have those "chemicals" (forget their names) that are

>present

>>in green tea which have shown to be helpful for cancer, etc?

>>

>>Thanks.

>

BOJENMI CHINESE TEA = BAO JIAN MEI JIAN FEI CHA = Maintain Vigorous and

Graceful, Reduce Fat Tea

See Chinese Patent Formulas of Jake Fratkin

Indeed 50 % is Camellia sinensis = green tea. The other ingredients are :

Crataegus, Poria, Phaseolus semen, Pogostemon, Hordeum, Orange peel, Cassia

(=Senna), Pharbitis semen, Alisma, Raphanus. Reduces fat, expells damp and

phlegm, tinifies spleen Qi, promotes urinating.

Good luck

Charles Wauters.





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Michelle wrote in message ...

>

>Someone in here had recently informed me as to the ingredients in Bojenmi

>Chinese Tea...  I believe they were the following:

>

<snip>

>

>I was wondering if someone could tell me what some of those are in their

>"common" names (other than the more obvious ones, such as citrus peel,

>etc.)... I'm not very familiar with the names of some herbs.





That's quite an order!



>- Crataegus fruit



OK, Crataegus fruit - that's Hawthorn Berry, related to the species that

produces the berries used in western herbal tradition as a heart tonic.  In

Chinese medicine it is more commonly thought of as an aid to digestion,

especially for people who have trouble digesting meat.



>- Poria fungus



Poria is a fungus that grows on the roots of certain coniferous species.  It

is found, as far as I know, throughout the temperate world, and was known to

and used by the native North Americans and white settlers.  It is also

called (in the US) Tuckahoe or Indian bread.  It's primary use is as a very

mild diuretic and a safe calmative that can be given to children.  It is

also used in convalescence as a very light and easily digested strengthening

broth, and has some reputation in the treatment of cancers.



>- Phaseolus seeds



Phaseolus seeds are beans, probably the azuki or mung or one of the other

smaller species rather than the larger kidney or pinto beans common in the

US.  Phaseolus is actually the botanical name of the genus which includes

the common beans (P. vulgaris) as well as mung beans, lima beans and scarlet

runner beans, and quite a number of others, both cultivated and wild (but

not broad beans or soy beans).  Among other things they have diuretic

effects.



>- Pogostemon herb



Pogostemon is Patchouli, a smell well known to ex-hippies everywhere.  It

has been used for its carminative properties chiefly, and to treat

dysentery, diarrhea, nausea and vomiting.



>- Hordeum sprout



Barley sprouts, or malted barley, the same stuff that provides the basis for

brewing bear, and the extract that is dried and used to make malted milk.

Considered strengthening and an aid to digestion, especially of heavy foods,

and an aid to gaining weight.



>- Citrus peel



Used in traditional Chinese medicine both as an aid to digestion and to aid

in the distribution of energies through the body.  Used in blockages

characterized by poor or unbalanced circulation and excess mucus production.



>- Fermented leaven



Basically this is yeast (actually a yeast-dough combination), very similar

to the old "mothers" used and saved for starting bread, to which is added a

number of herbs to strengthen it's effects.  It's used primarily to aid

digestion.



>- Cassia seeds



There are of course two basic and entirely different "herbs" known as

Cassia.  The other one is a species or two of tree from which bark and buds

are derived, the bark also known here as cinnamon.  The cassia seed however

is the seed of the Cassia tora or related species, more commonly known in

the West as senna.  It's a laxative, and given especially where there is

heat or liver-related problems.



>- Pharbitis seeds



Pharbitis is Jalap, a kind of morning glory.  Mostly used for constipation

and to "move Chi and remove stagnating food".  It can be a rather strong

purgative in high doses.



>- Alisma rhizome



Water plantain roots.  A diuretic, used in fluid retention and urinary

disorders primarily.



>- Raphanus seeds



Radish seeds.  Digestant, carminative, expectorant.  Yet another digestive

aid.



>- Prunella fruit



This is the herb known in the West as All-heal or Self-heal.  I wasn't able

to find anything on the seeds.



>Also...  I believe someone had told me that Oolong tea was a more fermented

>version of Green tea... is this correct?  (I may have that wrong...) Would

>Oolong tea still have the same health benefits as Green tea, and would it

have

>the green tea catechins in it, (specifically epigallocatechin-3-gallate and

>epicatechin-3-gallate)?   I hope that's not too specific!!



Oolong is technically considered a "semi-fermented" Tea.  All Tea starts out

as green tea.  That which is to be drunk green is dried after picking,

sometimes pan-roasted or treated other ways to impart specific flavors.

Black teas, the kinds most  commonly encountered in the West (Tetley,

Lipton's, Luisianne, etc.) undergo a controlled fermentation before drying

during which chemical processes occur which change the flavor and color of

the leaves and radically alter many of the naturally-occurring compounds.

It is my understanding that black tea does *not* have the beneficial effects

of green tea, and may on the contrary be as detrimental to the health as

green tea is supposed to be beneficial.  Oolong undergoes the same sort of

fermentation process as other black teas, but the process is stopped

somewhat short of that which occurs with other types.  How much each of the

compounds is changed in this interrupted process is unknown to me, and I am

not aware of any studies on the subject of oolong catechins.  My guess is

that the catechins would be altered early in the process, as these are

responsible for at least part of the distinctive flavor difference between

the green and black teas.



Sounds like Bojenmi tea is for problems associated with sluggish digestion

and "stagnant Chi", including gas and constipation, and retention of fluids.

The tea should help increase the power of digestion to help regain strength

through the food while flushing toxins or evil Chi from the system.



-Rich









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A remedy for pregnancy? Are we talking about abortion?



Belinda



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Yes mam we are...     it induces menstruation...   but it only works safely

without complications during the first month... it is what the people used in

the 1900's when abortions were outlawed

~Luvdove6~



luvdove6@aol.com

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On 02 May 1998 22:18:00 GMT, luvdove6@aol.com (Luvdove6) wrote:



>Yes mam we are...     it induces menstruation...   but it only works safely

>without complications during the first month... it is what the people used in

>the 1900's when abortions were outlawed

>~Luvdove6~



Thinks: In the first month, hmm... in other words, if your period is

late because you've been worrying about your period being late, it

will bring on your period.  It *may* *not* cause abortion at all.  And

it only works if you've got a very regular cycle.  Not so good for

someone like me, who has a regular cycle alright, but it's up to 3

months long (no kidding!).



Thanks, but no thanks.



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm



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On Sun, 03 May 1998 01:15:19 GMT, magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The

Magpie) wrote:



>Thinks: In the first month, hmm... in other words, if your period is

>late because you've been worrying about your period being late, it

>will bring on your period.  It *may* *not* cause abortion at all.  And

>it only works if you've got a very regular cycle.  Not so good for

>someone like me, who has a regular cycle alright, but it's up to 3

>months long (no kidding!).



Meg, this is generally an indication of hormonal problems.  I went to the

doctor when I started having problems like this.  I wouldn't have a period

for three months, then I'd have one that was three weeks long.  Turned out

that I was having progesterone problems.  This was also contributing to

serious mood swings.  Once I started taking progesterone pills, my moods

leveled out a great deal, and my period became monthly.  You might want to

go to your doctor to get some tests on your hormonal levels.  Continuing

problems with progesterone or estrogen can lead to uterine problems,

sometimes even oh, what's that one where the uterine tissue starts moving

around the pelvic cavity... I can't remember what it's called, but it's

very serious, painful, and really bad cases require a full hysterectomy.



-- 

Siobhan Perricone

Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.

It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight

to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. 

      -Johnny Hart



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Well yeah you could say that.. but listen you could use it to terminate

pregnancy AFTER a month but it might be painful (cramping really bad) ...    Im

only saying it is PERFECTLY simple and SAFE in the first month...  and YES it

is used for terminating pregnancy..    I know what I am talking about here.

~Luvdove6~



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Luvdove6 wrote in message

<1998050319160200.PAA14467@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Well yeah you could say that.. but listen you could use it to terminate

>pregnancy AFTER a month but it might be painful (cramping really bad) ...

Im

>only saying it is PERFECTLY simple and SAFE in the first month...  and YES

it

>is used for terminating pregnancy..    I know what I am talking about here.

>~Luvdove6~

>

>luvdove6@aol.com

>http://members.wbs.net/homepages/s/h/a/shapeshift.html



There's a reason that herbal abortions pretty much died out and surgical

ones were done...The herbs that kill a fetus/embryo stop the pre-heart and

clean out the uterus...take enough of those herbs and you'll stop your own

heart, not all of those herbs go to the child, some stay in your own body.

In the age before surgery, about 1 out of 5-10 women who used an herbal mix

to stop a pregnancy died...something to think about...I'm also of the

opinion that when you're about to do something major, you should see a

doctor, just because a gynecologist probably knows a whole lot more about

your body than you do...I suppose I could be wrong...how many years of med

school have you taken? How many patients have you seen?



Jenn

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That is why you have to watch how MUCH of it you take...  men take pennyroyal

to cleanse the blood too....   it's not just for terminating pregnancy.. it CAN

harm you if you take too much... but if you watch it.. it will do no harm!

~Luvdove6~



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On 03 May 1998 19:16:02 GMT, luvdove6@aol.com (Luvdove6) wrote:



>Well yeah you could say that.. but listen you could use it to terminate

>pregnancy AFTER a month but it might be painful (cramping really bad) ...    Im

>only saying it is PERFECTLY simple and SAFE in the first month...  and YES it

>is used for terminating pregnancy..    I know what I am talking about here.

>~Luvdove6~

>

>luvdove6@aol.com

>http://members.wbs.net/homepages/s/h/a/shapeshift.html



Nothing is perfectly safe.  I do agree that a *sensible* woman--one

with more than two brain cells to rub together who has gone to the

trouble of doing her homework--may safely take herbs to bring on a

late period, whether late due to a very early pregnancy or to other

causes, such as stress.  Unfortunately the world is full of

less-than-sensible people (to put it kindly).  A woman who can not

read or understand well the printed instructions in her VCR manual or

in her home pregnancy test or on the side of a bottle of medicine

probably can't be trusted to read and understand literature on herbs;

a woman who can not figure out that it is a bad idea to use her

hairdryer over a sink filled with water or that having sex without

contraceptive measures isn't a good idea if you don't want a child

probably can't be trusted to figure out sensible dosages of herbs or

when to take herbs--hell, such a person can't even be expected to

grasp that essential oils are not "just the same", or that, if a

little is good, more is not necessarily better.  I would be very

cautious of asserting that any medicine is perfectly safe in a world

filled with idiots.

_____________________________________________________________

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Meg, The Magpie (magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au) wrote:

: 

: Thinks: In the first month, hmm... in other words, if your period is

: late because you've been worrying about your period being late, it

: will bring on your period.  It *may* *not* cause abortion at all.  And





It is a commonly held misconception (pardon the pun) that stressing out

will make your period late.  It won't.  Ever.  What major stress CAN do is

cause your ovulation to be delayed.  Because a woman's luteal

(post-ovulatory) phase remains constant within a day or so, it might

appear that you have worried yourself into a late period.



For example, I tend to ovulate from 8-10 days into my cycle.  My period

always arrives 15 or 16 days later (on day 16 or 17 of my luteal phase).

If you haven't had your period 18 days after ovulation (day 19), you're

likely pregnant.  The AVERAGE luteal phase lasts 14 days.  (Some are much

shorter, and that's not good if you're trying to get pregnant.)



Someone like Meg, who reports cycles of up to 3 months, likely ovulates at

about 2-1/2 months and then menstruates.



You can tell when you've ovulated because your basal body temperature

(BBT) usually rises afterwards, and stays elevated until your period is

due.  This is caused by the progesterone being pumped out by the corpus

luteum.  (Mine usually plunges the morning I'm due to menstruate.) It can 

go up a little bit for a day or so as your system gets rid of the last bit

of progesterone.



So if you've had 18 days of uninterupted elevated temps, you are probably

pregnant.  (Of course you can always invest a few bucks and take a test at

that point - many of the home pregnancy tests are sensitive enough to

determine pregnancy at that stage.)



Cheers

Kathy



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On Tue, 5 May 1998 23:01:24 -0500, "Jean"

<vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> wrote:



>Ok on the other side of the fence...let me ask you this...can stress cause

>you to bleed for an excessive amount of time...say 6 weeks or more???

>

>Just curious...



If a woman menstruates for much longer than usual, she really needs to

go to a doctor.



As to whether stress can do that or not, I can not say.  I do know

that stress can cause changes in one's cycle, but a 6-week period is a

very dramatic change to attribute to stress only. 







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Hello Folks,



When I saw the original post, I was very angry at the potential harm

that untrained self medicated use of herbs {or Essential Oils} with

Emmenagogue effects were being promoted here.  While someone who has a

normal menstural cycle, and in very good health will not be harmed by

careful use of such herbs, there is always a risk of an unknown

pre-existing condition that could result in a hemorage for example.



Also a desperate woman who is desperate to induce an abortion may well

overdose on the herbs.  As I suspect that I know what the herb is, it

is also a POISON and will KILL.



As it is also probable that any woman who has found herself with an

unplaned pregnancy, has not been sensable enough to use contraseption,

may not be sensable enough to use the carefully calculated dose

required.  Thus I hope that others realise that the woman who posted

the orginal message is only intrested in selling her products and not

with helping others, as she risks harming more than helping.





On 02 May 1998 22:18:00 GMT, luvdove6@aol.com (Luvdove6) wrote:



>Yes mam we are...     it induces menstruation...   but it only works safely

>without complications during the first month... it is what the people used in

>the 1900's when abortions were outlawed

>~Luvdove6~

>

>luvdove6@aol.com

>http://members.wbs.net/homepages/s/h/a/shapeshift.html





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In article <1998050218394200.OAA16905@ladder03.news.aol.com>, luvdove6@aol.com

(Luvdove6) writes:



>

>If anyone needs an herbal remedy...   please email me... I have been using

>herbs for every problem I have had.. even pregnancy...  

>



Are you implying that you've terminated your own pregnancy? Surely that is

illegal.



It's interesting that you deem it a "problem".



I think you'd better clarify the context because this looks horrific.



Terwur (-:

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Okay... I have used it and so has another woman I know... it works.. no doubt! 

 I don't reccomend anyone using it if they do not talk to someone first about

how to make this tea...   It works though and causes no problems if you do it

RIGHT!   :-)

I am only offering help because it is VERY simple and VERY legal and I hate to

think teenagers out there are freaking out and getting scared because they

might be pregnant.. especially if they are so scared of an abortion surgery

that is UNECESSARY that would cause them to just have kids they can't take care

of you see???  I didn't mean to offend.. only help  :-)

~Luvdove6~



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On 05 May 1998 18:23:12 GMT, luvdove6@aol.com (Luvdove6) wrote:



>Okay... I have used it and so has another woman I know... it works.. no doubt! 

> I don't reccomend anyone using it if they do not talk to someone first about

>how to make this tea...   It works though and causes no problems if you do it

>RIGHT!   :-)

>I am only offering help because it is VERY simple and VERY legal and I hate to

>think teenagers out there are freaking out and getting scared because they

>might be pregnant.. especially if they are so scared of an abortion surgery

>that is UNECESSARY that would cause them to just have kids they can't take care

>of you see???  I didn't mean to offend.. only help  :-)



Umm... surely the most appropriate help to offer to teenagers who are

scared of abortion surgery is easier access to contraceptive methods?

Certainly that would be of more constructive help than offering herbal

abortifacients.  With proper contraception, and proper instruction on

how to use same, a teenager is less likely to be terrified of an

unwanted pregnancy, as well as the threat of STDs and all the other

little complications of human sexuality.



Now, granted, the "moral majority" would like to pretend that the sex

drive isn't one of the major ones in the human psyche, and that it

will go away if people don't talk about it.  However, I don't think

that the prejudices of one particular group are worth sacrificing the

lives and mental stability of a whole generation of women for.



Just my take on the situation.



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

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On Wed, 06 May 1998 07:49:26 GMT, magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg,

The Magpie) wrote:

[snipping]

>Umm... surely the most appropriate help to offer to teenagers who are

>scared of abortion surgery is easier access to contraceptive methods?

>Certainly that would be of more constructive help than offering herbal

>abortifacients. 



Definitely.  I would like to see more contraceptive information out

there; I'd also like contraceptives to be more readily available to

teens and  to see some new contraceptives on the market.  I wish more

teens would learn to recognize their fertile days, too, as that

knowledge allows for doubling up on contraceptive measures on those

days.  But I still think it's good for information on herbal

abortifacients to be out there as a "just in case" measure; the best

thing will always be preventing unwanted pregnancies to start with,

but many people like to know there is an escape hatch if they fail in

prevention.  Having a child is such a huge responsibility that no one

should have to do it if she is not ready.



>Now, granted, the "moral majority" would like to pretend that the sex

>drive isn't one of the major ones in the human psyche, and that it

>will go away if people don't talk about it.  However, I don't think

>that the prejudices of one particular group are worth sacrificing the

>lives and mental stability of a whole generation of women for.



I do not think so either.  A lot of people, even ones who are not the

so-called "moral majority" types, disapprove of abortion.  I do not

share that disapproval, but I can sympathise with their views, so long

as they are not trying to make abortion illegal for all.  What I can

not sympathise with are the anti-abortion people who are also

anti-contraceptive.  Many of the so-called "religious right" do not

approve of any contraceptives, for teens or any other people.  I

support the rights of every woman--teenaged or adult--to control her

own reproduction, and it seems to me the best way to prevent abortion

is to prevent pregnancy in the first place; I would surely hate to see

contraceptive rights threatened the way abortion rights in the USA are

currently threatened.



But I have gone off-topic for this ng.  My apologies.



OBHerbs: My rosemary is coming along nicely, as are my other herbs.

Isn't May weather great?



From healingpgs@aol.com Wed May 06 23:57:13 1998

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From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

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Subject: Re: HERBAL REMEDIES TO ANYTHING.. even PREGNANCY

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>>Okay... I have used it and so has another woman I know... it works.. no

>doubt!  I don't reccomend anyone using it if they do not talk to someone first

>about how to make this tea...   It works though and causes no problems if you

do

>it RIGHT!   :-)



I'd strongly urge anyone who is making and distributing such a tea to get their

hands on the American Herbal Products Association Botanical Safety Handbook,

and read the appendix on herbal abortificants including documented cases of

near-fatal and fatal poisonings. In at least one case, the problem was not so

much the herb used as the fact the woman had an undiagnosed ectopic (tubal)

pregnancy, so knowing the condition of the woman and her pregnancy may be as

important as knowing how to use such a tea correctly.



Frankly, anyone who is manufacturing herbal products should have the Botanical

Safety Handbook as it goes through known side-effects of several hundred herbs

and responsible labeling of herbal products. The book is published by CRC

Press, most bookstores can order it for you, or you can buy it from AHPA or CRC

direct.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm 







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On Sun, 10 May 1998 11:53:56 -0400, "Dr. John Gatell"

<jgatell@freewwweb.com> was inspired by the little green men to write

:



>

>I think teens should be kept busy with school work and social events,

>so that they will grow up first to be responsible adults before engaging in

>extra-marital sex - not given herbs to terminate pregnancy.

>

>Dr. Gatell



Well, yes, ideally, this would be the best thing.  However, all

teenagers *are* interested in sex, even the ones who pretend that

they're not.  They can't help it - the reproductive hormones are

raging, and they're as horny as a herd of goats as a result.  What is

needed, at that age, is some *realistic* sex education, which takes

this into account, and teaches young teens that yes, sex is fun,

interesting and a good thing in many ways.  However, sex can also be

painful, uncomfortable, explotative, and nasty, to say nothing of the

problems of STDs (including new life!).



Another thing that teenagers need is education about the emotional

side of sex - to learn how to say "I am valuable as I am", "If you

need me to sleep with you to make you love me, why is your love worth

having?", "I choose to do this", "I choose not to do this".  They need

education in how to feel strong enough in and of themselves to make

the correct choices, the choices not to have sex without protection,

the choices not to go to bed with someone because they "love" them.

This is more important than the practical "this is a condom, this is a

diaphragm, this is the Pill" stuff.



Moreover, teenagers need to learn that the natural desires and needs

of their bodies are not "evil" or "wicked" or "unhealthy".  They need

to be taught that masturbation is not a "sin", that having a wet dream

is not something to be concerned about, and that their desire to have

sex with someone is not something to be upset about, or to be

inevitably acted upon.



I got this as a teenager.  I remained a virgin until age 26.  I

masturbated, and still do.  I have a strong, healthy sex drive, and I

don't feel that my interest in sex is "unhealthy" or "evil".  I have

been in a steady relationship now for nearly 10 months, and the

relationship is still going strong, despite the fact that my partner

is on the other side of the country.  



What teenagers *don't* need is to have someone telling them that they

are either "good" (sexually "pure") or "bad" (sexually "impure"), or

that once they have "fallen" they are tainted forever with "sin".

They don't need people pretending that if contraception is hidden

away, then they will be unable to have sex for fear of pregnancy.

They don't need people telling them that if a girl sleeps with one

boy, she's a slut but if a boy sleeps with ten girls, he's a stud.

They don't need to be told that if a girl gets pregnant, she has to

have the baby, or that they have to get married, or that she has to

abort the baby.  They don't need people telling them things at all.

What they need is information, and a chance to make their own

decisions.



-- 

 

Meg, The Magpie... AFPlump, AFPetite, AFPerth...

Committee Member DWConXXXX2K

(and why *shouldn't* I have all the fun?)



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From: magpie@thornlietafe.wa.edu.au (Meg, The Magpie)

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On 02 May 1998 18:38:49 GMT, luvdove6@aol.com (Luvdove6) wrote:



>If anyone is a dreamer like me...  KAVA will give you epic-lenght intense

>dreams!!!!!!   It is also a hallucinogen if you take a lot of it... it's

>completely safe.. the Pacific Islanders use it for relaxing (among other

>things!)

>If you have any questions, email me!



Umm... it's also addictive and strongly sedative in large doses - as a

fair few Australian Aboriginal people found out when some well-meaning

idiot introduced it to combat alcohol addiction.  Be warned.



--



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm



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causes hallucinations but it completely harmless



sounds like an  oxymoron to me



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From: King Lerxst <King@Lerxst.shmengland.com>

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JiaStar wrote:

> 

> causes hallucinations but it completely harmless

> 

> sounds like an  oxymoron to me



It has also been shown to cause liver damage over an extended period of

time. Do a Medline search on this herb first.





-- 

"The more things stay the same, the more things change..."



Nigel Tuffnel, Spinal Tap



From wbn@bigpond.com Mon May 11 05:44:56 1998

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Hi, all.

This is probably a dumb question, but how is a medline search done?



I suffer from anxiety, social phobia and also depression.

I take a Kava pill that is equal to 3000 mg of kava kava dry rhiz.

I take two of these at a time( Twice the recommended dose.)

two to three times a day. The kava is taken on a need only basis 

at the moment. like when I go into a situation that I know will be 

difficult for me. (which is every other day)

Will this harm me over time?



I'd like to take St. Johns wort for the depression.

But I have a skin condition called solar keratosis which is basically

area's of skin which are on there way to becoming skin cancer.

I have heard that taking this herb can make your skin more sensitive

to sunlight.

Any comments on these concerns would be appreciated.



Solo.







King Lerxst <King@Lerxst.shmengland.com> wrote in article

<354D3441.717E@Lerxst.shmengland.com>...

> JiaStar wrote:

> > 

> > causes hallucinations but it completely harmless

> > 

> > sounds like an  oxymoron to me

> 

> It has also been shown to cause liver damage over an extended period of

> time. Do a Medline search on this herb first.

> 

> 

> -- 

> "The more things stay the same, the more things change..."

> 

> Nigel Tuffnel, Spinal Tap

> 



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>I suffer from anxiety, social phobia and also depression.

>I take a Kava pill that is equal to 3000 mg of kava kava dry rhiz.

>I take two of these at a time( Twice the recommended dose.)

>two to three times a day. The kava is taken on a need only basis 

>at the moment. like when I go into a situation that I know will be 

>difficult for me. (which is every other day)

>Will this harm me over time?



12,000-18,000mg is way too much Kava to be taken, and yes, if you continue

taking those dosages, you may very well harm your liver. Consider cutting

down(drastically!) on the Kava, and maybe trying other things for anxiety like

Passionflower or Valerian.



From atoole@chatSP.carletonA.caM Fri May 15 03:52:43 1998

From: SmileyGrl <atoole@chatSP.carletonA.caM>

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solo wrote:

> 

> Hi, all.

> This is probably a dumb question, but how is a medline search done?

> 

> I suffer from anxiety, social phobia and also depression.

> I take a Kava pill that is equal to 3000 mg of kava kava dry rhiz.

> I take two of these at a time( Twice the recommended dose.)

> two to three times a day. The kava is taken on a need only basis

> at the moment. like when I go into a situation that I know will be

> difficult for me. (which is every other day)

> Will this harm me over time?

> 

> I'd like to take St. Johns wort for the depression.

> But I have a skin condition called solar keratosis which is basically

> area's of skin which are on there way to becoming skin cancer.

> I have heard that taking this herb can make your skin more sensitive

> to sunlight.

> Any comments on these concerns would be appreciated.



Excuse me while I delurk...

 There's a book about SJW called "St. John's Wort: Nature's Blues

Buster"- Written by Hyla Cass MD, published by Avery Publishing Group

(New York, 1988)

 There is a section in it called "Other herbs and combination products"

in Chapter 5, "How to Use St. John's Wort".

 She's also got a wek site dedicated to the book:

  http://www.doctorcass.com/index.html

There's a FAQ on the site and somewhere for you to email her questions.

I've been hearing about SJW for years b/c Dr. Cass is my aunt and my mom

thinks that SJW is the greatest thing since Prozac (I'd probably concur

if I remembered to take it regularly). I like to read these newsgroups

to see what unbiased people have to say about it.

I took Kava Kava earlier and instead of feeling anxious, I'm lethargic

(well, I'm kinda anxious too). Of course, it could be the cough syrup

(decongestant/expectorant) making me feel this way.

Perhaps a shower will help.

 Have a good night,

a.

-- 

Andrea Toole a.k.a. SmileyGrl ICQ #3603900

Mass Comm III, Carleton University; CUSA PAM Rep '98-'99

 "...hey, anybody who's *JOB* is killing the undead is probably

      socially-impaired... like mail-men and accountants." -S.S. Gray.

(on Buffy)



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A number of questions are being directed our way about skin problems such as

excess wrinkles (from the sun worshipping generation) to acne - perhaps it's

because H.S. proms are just around the corner?!



Certainly the place to start is good hygene (cleansing face twice a day, once

in the morning and once before retiring to bed); healthy diet which includes

vegetables with plenty of Vitamin E; living as stress-free a life as is

possible (granted, this may not be easy for teenagers nor their parents), and

plenty of rest/sleep.



Cleansing the face upon getting up in the morning is vital as the body

cleanses itself of internal toxins and bacteria during sleep hours.  Much of

this comes out through the skin and is important to remove.  Cleansing the

face during the evening before bed is important as it helps remove the dirt,

bacteria and pollution that accumulate during the day.



Witch Hazel (Hamamelis Virginiana) is also good to use for cleansing

purposes.  Both Aloe Vera and Roman Chamomile (Anthemis Nobilis or

Chamaemulum Nobile) is a fantastic wonder for skin problems.  Find a good

cream with either in it.



PSORIASIS:  Quoting from "Heinerman's Encyclopedia of Healing Herbs & Spices"

is the following:  "The anthraquinones in rhubarb, besides exerting wonderful

laxative action, also help to relieve the itchiness and pain accompanying

psoriasis and arthritis."  Certainly the above plants would also benefit here.

__________________________________

the Aloe Vera Studies Oragnization

http://www.aloe-vera.org



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I heard about a drug called Viagra, which is supposed to increase the

libido in men and women by improving blood circulation.  Is there an

herbal equivalent/alternative to Viagra?



Matthew in Montgomery.





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Matthew Givens wrote in message <354BE1C8.6D0DE976@earthlink.net>...

>I heard about a drug called Viagra, which is supposed to increase the

>libido in men and women by improving blood circulation.  Is there an

>herbal equivalent/alternative to Viagra?

>

>Matthew in Montgomery.

>



Recently I saw something on the news about the herbal Viagro, but evidently

it does not have the same results and has NOT been scientifically tested and

has many potential side effects. The gist of the news spot was that it was

not worth the risk of taking it...out of curiosity, why are you against

taking Viagra? Herbal doesn't necessarily mean better, and a doctor could

probably prescribe you a drug that has been on the market for a while (and

so better tested than Viagra/Viagro)...



Jenn

audacity@teleport.com

free recipes: http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/9559/









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Jenn wrote in message ...

>...a doctor could

>probably prescribe you a drug that has been on the market for a while (and

>so better tested than Viagra/Viagro)...





Possibly so, but the information on Viagra is that it is the first

medication of its kind that is effective taken orally.  Previous

prescription medicines for impotence, such as papaverine, require injection.



-Rich









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Matthew Givens <m3corps@earthlink.net> wrote:



>I heard about a drug called Viagra, which is supposed to increase the

>libido in men and women by improving blood circulation.  Is there an

>herbal equivalent/alternative to Viagra?

>

>Matthew in Montgomery.

Both Yohimbe and Muira Puama are proported to help. Both have side

effects like raising your blood pressure also.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/



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In article <354BE1C8.6D0DE976@earthlink.net>#1/1,

  m3corps@earthlink.net wrote:

>

> I heard about a drug called Viagra, which is supposed to increase the

> libido in men and women by improving blood circulation.  Is there an

> herbal equivalent/alternative to Viagra?

>

> Matthew in Montgomery.

>

>

I have used the amino acid L-Arginine to enhance erection hardness and

duration.  It apparently causes the release/production of nitric oxide

in the blood stream, essential for successful erections.  Any one with herpes

should not take l-arginine as it causes flare-ups. It is difficult to find in

Canada as the HPB(Health Protection Branch) restricts the sale of free form

amino acids, you need to find a health food supplier that is bucking the

system.  It is apparently readily available in the U.S.



Hope this helps, EH. Had to add this to prove Canadian Citizenship ;-)



Hoser in Canada







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Try Sarsparilla...   it really is used for impotency a LOT... and will keep you

going.. mix it with Damiana okay????    





~Luvdove6~



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Some of the suggestions seem to focus on the male aspect of things.

Yohimbe seems to be mentioned most often with direct references to

males.  However, I'm more interested in the female.  My wife has poor

blood circulation and such, and I thought that something like Viagra

might help, but herbal alternatives first.



Matthew Givens wrote:



> I heard about a drug called Viagra, which is supposed to increase the

> libido in men and women by improving blood circulation.  Is there an

> herbal equivalent/alternative to Viagra?

>

> Matthew in Montgomery.









From sven@idirect.ca Sun May 03 09:49:58 1998

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	Is there an herb one can take which will mix with alcohol to

make you very sick temporarily?



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On Sun, 03 May 1998 06:49:58 GMT, sven@idirect.ca wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>	Is there an herb one can take which will mix with alcohol to

>make you very sick temporarily?



Orange juice. Granted, you need a lot of the mixture ;)



Seriously, I've heard Kudzu should do it, but have no further details on it.



Henriette



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      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



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On Sun, 03 May 1998 06:49:58 GMT, sven@idirect.ca wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



> Is there an herb one can take which will mix with alcohol to

>make you very sick temporarily?





Ipecac is an herb from the tropics, commonly available in drugstores as an

extract.  It is sold to be used as a emetic (makes you vomit).  It is one of

the less unpleasant emetics, as it generally causes no pain and only minimal

after-effects (no retching - once it's gone, it's really gone).



-Rich









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The inky cap mushroom (Coprinus atramentarius) causes digestive disturbances

in some people if they consume alcohol concurrently.  I enjoy the flavor of

the inky cap.



Richard Ogden wrote in message <6iq57q$83r@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

>On Sun, 03 May 1998 06:49:58 GMT, sven@idirect.ca wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>> Is there an herb one can take which will mix with alcohol to

>>make you very sick temporarily?

>

>

>Ipecac is an herb from the tropics, commonly available in drugstores as an

>extract.  It is sold to be used as a emetic (makes you vomit).  It is one

of

>the less unpleasant emetics, as it generally causes no pain and only

minimal

>after-effects (no retching - once it's gone, it's really gone).

>

>-Rich

>

>

>







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sven@idirect.ca wrote in message <354ed7e3.442632371@n3.idirect.com>...

> Is there an herb one can take which will mix with alcohol to

>make you very sick temporarily?



Is this as a practical joke? Or are you trying to freak out someone who

drinks too much? Because if it's the latter, the alcohol and a bit of a talk

should do it...your body feels pain for a reason..you get a pain in your

stomach if you need to eat, your stubbed toe hurts so that you'll be nice to

it while it's healing...you feel awful when you've drank too much so that

you won't do more of it...



Jenn

audacity@teleport.com

free recipes: http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/9559/









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From: DancingClouds <GentleMystik@yahoo.com>

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Ok, I agree some essential oils (prepaired correctly of course!!) can help as an

Anti-perspirant (but perspiration is a nature process of cleansing, remember

that), but yeah, the smell can be rather annoying, however I find that some

uncented powered works for for wetness.

Ok, my question....are the deordrant stones ok?  if that is what you have been

discussing, then I missed it, please post the original reply to the message..



Thanks,



Dc



ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk wrote:



> Hello Folks,

>

> You could try Aromatherapy alternitives.  Many Essential Oils have

> deoderant properties, and can be used to kill the bactria that cause

> the odour too.  Also such a small amount is required it works out much

> cheaper then anything else I know of.

>

> On Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:46:00 -0500, "Richard J. Ogden"

> <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:

>

> >Sure it works well - it's alum, an *aluminum* salt.  Anti-perspirants work

> >to artificially force the pores closed.  The pores are designed to release

> >perspiration, which both cools the body and rids it of toxins.  Closing the

> >pores is not a good thing to do, no matter how you get it done, but using

> >aluminum salts seems to cause more problems for more people because it can

> >irritate the skin.  There is of course the real possibility that anything

> >applied to the skin can find it's way into the blood stream as well, and you

> >do not want aluminum salts there.

> >

> >One moral of the story is that, just because you get something in a health

> >food store, that doesn't mean you would want it within 10 feet of you... ;-)

> >

> >-RJO

> >

> >Liz & Paul Deveau wrote in message <3514F022.34A3@cnwl.igs.net>...

> >>

> >>I don't kmow what you mean by "the stones", but have you tried out salt

> >>rock crystal. I got a big chunk of it in a health food store and it is

> >>still going strong after about 4 years.  You should also be able to get

> >>it in a drug store, but you will probably pay more for a smaller piece

> >>of it.

> >>

> >>I find it works very well.  I even use it as a steptic pencil, when I

> >>knick myself shaving, and it is very effective for that as well.

> >>

> >>Paul J. Deveau

> >>Alexandria, ON, Canada

> >

> >

>

> Ian Hunter

> Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

> http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html









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DancingClouds <GentleMystik@yahoo.com> wrote:



>Ok, I agree some essential oils (prepaired correctly of course!!) can help as an

>Anti-perspirant (but perspiration is a nature process of cleansing, remember

>that), but yeah, the smell can be rather annoying, however I find that some

>uncented powered works for for wetness.

>Ok, my question....are the deordrant stones ok?  if that is what you have been

>discussing, then I missed it, please post the original reply to the message..



Yeah, we have been discussing natural deodorants and anti-perspirants.  Some of

us feel that anything that stops the body from sweating is bad, because sweating

is a cleansing mechanism, and the pores can get clogged.  Also, some of us are

concerned about using any more aluminum than we already deal with in our lives,

so any product that contains aluminum or alum, which includes most or all

deodorant stones, are unacceptable to us.



Eric





Eric O. Troldahl, etroll@flash.net

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Not a health practitioner of any kind!!!!!

Devotee of Dr. Andrew Weil's books:

_8 Weeks To Optimum Health_ and _Spontaneous Healing_



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Can anyone direct me to a site where I can read all about Aromatherapy

Case Studies



Kingfisher



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If you are looking for the 5% thats hard to find you may find a useful

starting point to be: http://www.kevala.co.uk/aromatherapy/ we have gathered

some information and links together to serve as a professional, practical

guide to Aroamtherapy



Simon, Kevala Centre Developer simon@kevala.co.uk





In article <MPG.fc1ed246a88462f989730@news.earthlink.net>,

  ewendell@hotmail.com (ewj) wrote:

>

> In article <354C7E50.6188@singnet.com.sg>, myworld@singnet.com.sg says...

> > Can anyone direct me to a site where I can read all about Aromatherapy

> > Case Studies

> >

> > Kingfisher

> >

> No, because there are not any. 95% of Aromatherapy is a fraud and the

> other 5% is hard to find.

>





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>> Can anyone direct me to a site where I can read all about Aromatherapy

>> Case Studies

>> 

>> Kingfisher



Jean Valnet's book on aromatherapy, PRACTICE OF AROMATHERAPY, is a bit dense,

but definitely includes case histories from his own practice. Valnet was (is?)

a medical doctor in France who began practicing aromatherapy as first aid in

WWII (being in a situation where he didn't have much else). He continued to

write and champion medical use of essential oils for many years. The book has

been translated into English and is fairly easy to find. 



There's some higher end practitioner textbooks that also give case histories --

at least one published in the last two years. If you need the title, e-mail me.

It's a special order item at our store and I don't remember the author's name

off the top of my head.



You might also contact the American Alliance of Aromatherapy (1-800-809-9850).

They publish a regular newsletter and members also get the International

Journal of Aromatherapy, which may have some of the information that you're

seeking.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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I have been looking for a formula for dit da jow .

any martial art connection omits at least one herb or procedure or

wants big bucks for the formula. It's my understanding that jow is

common in everyday use in china. one would think a formula would not

be hard to come by. anyone have one to share? 

thanks



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>I have been looking for a formula for dit da jow .

>any martial art connection omits at least one herb or procedure or

>wants big bucks for the formula. It's my understanding that jow is

>common in everyday use in china. one would think a formula would not

>be hard to come by. anyone have one to share? 



Yes the treatment principles remain fairly consistent, dissolve blood stasis,

resolve damp accumulation, repair tissue:

Mastic, Myrrh, Angelica sinensis, Ligusticum wallichi, Leech, Scutellaria

baicalensis, Borneol, Tabanus, Arisaema, and Drynaria. All parts are equal

except use a quarter part of borneol or less. Soak in rubbing alcohol. Label

for external use only.



This formula is one I wrote, please keep my name with it is all I ask. Will

Morris O.M.D.   



From darrinh@injersey.com Sun May 03 18:52:59 1998

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From: darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

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Anyone here have any experience with Gary Null's books and products?

I'm thinking of getting his "Encyclopedia of Natural Healing", if it

isn't a bunch of nonsense. I've listened to Gary's radio show for a

long time, and agree with a lot of what he preaches. I also disagree

with a lot of what he says.  I'm just curious if anyone has actually

tried his "remedies".



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro





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From: lamyers@mindspring.com (Lisa Myers)

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Anyone know about Horse Chestnut Seeds as a remedy/preventative for

varicose veins?  I read about this in HERBS OF CHOICE by Varro Tyler.

Wondered if anyone has an experience or knowledge to share.



Lisa





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From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

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Hello Lisa,



I do not have any experience with Horse Chestnuts as a cure, but in

aromatherapy a blend of 



	Cypress {Cypressus Sempervirens}  	7 drops

	Geranium {Pelogonium Graveoleons}	13 drops

Diluted to 20ml in vegetable carrier oil like Jojoba or Macadamia nut.



The Cypress oil will help in reducing and in some cases eliminate the

varicose veins.  However it can cause skin iritation, thus in this

blend it is mixed with Geranium to counter this effect.  If you have

very sensitive skin you could reduce the drops of Cypress to 4 drops

and increase the drops of Geranium to 16.



I hope this helps



On Sun, 03 May 1998 22:39:49 GMT, lamyers@mindspring.com (Lisa Myers)

wrote:



>Anyone know about Horse Chestnut Seeds as a remedy/preventative for

>varicose veins?  I read about this in HERBS OF CHOICE by Varro Tyler.

>Wondered if anyone has an experience or knowledge to share.

>

>Lisa

>





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From: lamyers@mindspring.com (Lisa Myers)

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Subject: GLYCERIN TINCTURES

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I usually make my tinctures with cheap vodka...but lately have wanted

to try some with glycerin.  However, does anybody have any tips on how

to strain out the plant material without losing most of the glycerin?





Lisa



From nature@ficom.net Mon May 04 03:16:58 1998

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We have a recipe for glycerine tincture on our web site, look under

"library"

Karen Shelton

AltNature Herbal and Wildflower Photo Gallery

www.altnature.com









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From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

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Perhaps the more important question is how to make glycerin tinctures that

won't turn bad (or even deadly).  Alcoholic tinctures are naturally

antiseptic (assuming the alcohol content is high enough - 20% or so), so

they don't spoil, but glycerin can actually act as a food for some

microorganisms, and has no natural antiseptic properties of its own.  All

the commercial glycerin-based tinctures I've seen contain instructions to

refrigerate after opening, so they are apparently sterilized in the bottling

process.  My guess is you would need at least a pressure-cooker to do the

job safely.



-Rich



Lisa Myers wrote in message <354cf241.3956003@news.mindspring.com>...

>I usually make my tinctures with cheap vodka...but lately have wanted

>to try some with glycerin.  However, does anybody have any tips on how

>to strain out the plant material without losing most of the glycerin?

>

>

>Lisa







From banner15@juno.com Mon May 04 02:15:46 1998

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Hello everyone,

My name is adam and I have a big problem that is affecting my whole life! I

have very dark circles under both of my eyes, they are especially dark near

my nose. Is there any way to remove these circles without surgery or

medication. I don't have any alergies or diseases. Any help would be much

appreciated. Thanks









From abacaxi@hotmail.com Mon May 04 14:59:00 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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"the man" <banner15@juno.com> wrote:



>My name is adam and I have a big problem that is affecting my whole life! I

>have very dark circles under both of my eyes, they are especially dark near

>my nose. Is there any way to remove these circles without surgery or

>medication.

  It's the natural result of the thin skin near the eyes and very

little fat under the skin.  What you are seeing is the tint of

the muscle tissue through the skin.  YOu usually have a layer of

fat hiding the deep color of the muscle.

  If you don't have allergies, don't want surgery or medication

(I've never heard of anything that would hide the circles), you'd

have to resort to makeup.  There are concealers that do a good

job.



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Dark circles under the eye may/can signify a problem with the kidneys.

I'd go to a natural health oriented doctor.  God Bless.





"the man" <banner15@juno.com> wrote:



>Hello everyone,

>My name is adam and I have a big problem that is affecting my whole life! I

>have very dark circles under both of my eyes, they are especially dark near

>my nose. Is there any way to remove these circles without surgery or

>medication. I don't have any alergies or diseases. Any help would be much

>appreciated. Thanks













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Do you use dairy products.  I know you said you don't have any allergies,

but this is a classic sign.



the man wrote in message <6iitmg$fgt$1@camel19.mindspring.com>...

>Hello everyone,

>My name is adam and I have a big problem that is affecting my whole life! I

>have very dark circles under both of my eyes, they are especially dark near

>my nose. Is there any way to remove these circles without surgery or

>medication. I don't have any alergies or diseases. Any help would be much

>appreciated. Thanks

>

>

>







From ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk Mon May 18 17:33:12 1998

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From: ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

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Subject: Re: dark circles under the eyes

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Hello Adam,



As dark circles under and arround the eyes are normally due to lower

or absent fat tissue around the eyes it is doubtful you will remove

them totally.  Also they could be a classic symptom of an alergic

reaction.  



However all this said you could use Essential oils to reduce the

effect.  As the skin around the eyes is thin and delicate you need to

be careful with using oils around the eyes.  Further you will need to

ensure that none of the oils get into the eyes.  



The blend I would recomend is 

	Carrot seed {Daccus Carota}		2 drops

	Chamomile Roman {Anthemis Nobilis}	1 drop

	Fennel sweet {Foeniculum Vulgare}	2 drops

Diluted to 2.5% in 10ml of Macadamia Nut oil 



This can be applied gently by finger tip around the eyes.  It is also

a good idea to cleanse the skin with Witch Hazel before and after the

treatment.



I hope you find this useful.





On Sun, 3 May 1998 19:15:46 -0400, "the man" <banner15@juno.com>

wrote:



>Hello everyone,

>My name is adam and I have a big problem that is affecting my whole life! I

>have very dark circles under both of my eyes, they are especially dark near

>my nose. Is there any way to remove these circles without surgery or

>medication. I don't have any alergies or diseases. Any help would be much

>appreciated. Thanks

>

>

>





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In article <01bd759e$7ed7db00$7e7041cf@default>#1/1,

  "~ Gossimer Fairy ~" <spamnot@myhouse.com> wrote:

>

> > Ooh!  Who thinks Hess might *just* know where to get it????

> >

> >

> > Nick

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Not me!   :O)

> --

> Carol ...

> *** Music Library: Bach in a minuet. ***

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~}<{{{o>

>

> >

>



What he is probably talking about is a product of Melaleuca Inc that is called

T36-C7. It is essentially tea tree oil at 2 to 3 times the price of regular

tea tree oil.



eldred@yhc.edu



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From Rudawski@msn Mon May 04 06:31:15 1998

From: "Steve Rudawski" <Rudawski@msn>

Subject: Growing medical herbs?

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I want to start growing some herbs for novelty purposes, like wormwood,

angelica, chamomille, echinacea, golden seal, mint, and feverfew to name a

few.  The only problem is I can't find seed for these plants.  Can anyone

let me know of their sorces?



Any information would be greatly appreciated!



Steve Rudawski

Rudawski@msn.com







From audacity@teleport.com Mon May 04 07:11:30 1998

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Steve Rudawski wrote in message ...

>I want to start growing some herbs for novelty purposes, like wormwood,

>angelica, chamomille, echinacea, golden seal, mint, and feverfew to name a

>few.  The only problem is I can't find seed for these plants.  Can anyone

>let me know of their sorces?

>

>Any information would be greatly appreciated!

>

>Steve Rudawski

>Rudawski@msn.com

>

>



I've found mint at any good garden store, I also found chamomile at

Nature's, which is a store that specializes in health foods (bigger than

most grocery stores), it has a good seed selection...my other suggestion is

to search around on the web for seed companies and order their catalogues...



Jenn

audacity@teleport.com

free recipes: http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/9559/









From anne.rocchio@sympatico.ca Mon May 04 19:59:32 1998

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Steve Rudawski wrote:

> 

> I want to start growing some herbs for novelty purposes, like wormwood,

> angelica, chamomille, echinacea, golden seal, mint, and feverfew to name a

> few.  The only problem is I can't find seed for these plants.  Can anyone

> let me know of their sorces?

> 

> Any information would be greatly appreciated!

> 

> Steve Rudawski

> Rudawski@msn.com



Hi Steve!



I've had really good luck with Richter's.  Look for their web-site at:

http://www.richters.com



They have a good selection of seeds, plants, books, bulk herbs, etc.



Good luck!  Keep us posted!



Anne



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From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

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Steve Rudawski wrote:

>

> I want to start growing some herbs for novelty purposes, like wormwood,

> angelica, chamomille, echinacea, golden seal, mint, and feverfew to name a

> few.  The only problem is I can't find seed for these plants.  Can anyone

> let me know of their sorces?

>

> Any information would be greatly appreciated!

>

> Steve Rudawski

> Rudawski@msn.com



Steve, Richters is good, and also try Horizon Herbs at

http://chatlink.com/~herbseed/Welcome.html and Johnny's Selected Seeds at

http://www.johnnyseeds.com/.



Good luck!  I've been growing herbs as a hobby for some years; drop me a

line if you'd like to chat about varieties, growing requirements, etc.  I

don't "know it all", for sure, but I've got a little bit of experience.



-Rich









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> Steve Rudawski wrote:

> >

> > I want to start growing some herbs for novelty purposes, like wormwood,

> > angelica, chamomille, echinacea, golden seal, mint, and feverfew to

name a

> > few.  The only problem is I can't find seed for these plants.  Can

anyone

> > let me know of their sorces?

> >

> > Any information would be greatly appreciated!

> >

> > Steve Rudawski

> > Rudawski@msn.com



Angelica, chammomile, and echinacea have become so common, you can probably

get the seeds at the nearest garden center or Home Depot-type place.I don't

recommend trying to grow mints from seed. Most don't set viable seed and

grow so well and quickly from starter plants gotten at any nursery. Also,

if you know anyone who grows mint, they'll probably be glad to give some of

it away.



Wormwood, feverfew and goldenseal are tougher to find. I have wormwood and

feverfew that I bought at a local herb farm. I've never seen goldenseal

available.



One good source is:

 Le Jardin de Gourmet

P.O. Box 75

St. Johnsbury Ctr., VT 05863-0075



They offer 25 cent mini-packs of seeds - that way you can afford to try

lots of things. They have a decent selection. They do carry wormwood, and

all the more common ones, but not feverfew or goldenseal. They even carry

ginseng seed.



Good Luck.



Lady Skylark



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On 5 May 1998 22:27:55 GMT, "LSkylark" <jams@getnet.com> wrote:



>Angelica, chammomile, and echinacea have become so common, you can probably

>get the seeds at the nearest garden center or Home Depot-type place.I don't

>recommend trying to grow mints from seed. Most don't set viable seed and

>grow so well and quickly from starter plants gotten at any nursery. Also,

>if you know anyone who grows mint, they'll probably be glad to give some of

>it away.



Well! I grew mint from seed and had no problem. I don't understand

why you say that they are so hard to grow. Once you get it started it

is a perrinenial and no problem. Where are you at that you have had so

much problem? I lived in Missouri and now in New Mexico and have no

problems with mint from seed.



Spirit Explorer



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On 5 May 1998 22:27:55 GMT, "LSkylark" <jams@getnet.com> wrote:



>Angelica, chammomile, and echinacea have become so common, you can probably

>get the seeds at the nearest garden center or Home Depot-type place.I don't

>recommend trying to grow mints from seed. Most don't set viable seed and

>grow so well and quickly from starter plants gotten at any nursery. Also,

>if you know anyone who grows mint, they'll probably be glad to give some of

>it away.



Well! I grew mint from seed and had no problem. I don't understand

why you say that they are so hard to grow. Once you get it started it

is a perrinenial and no problem. Where are you at that you have had so

much problem? I lived in Missouri and now in New Mexico and have no

problems with mint from seed.



Spirit Explorer



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Try "Seeds of Change" 1-888-762-7333 or

http://www.seedsofchange.com



Steve Rudawski wrote in message ...

>I want to start growing some herbs for novelty purposes, like wormwood,

>angelica, chamomille, echinacea, golden seal, mint, and feverfew to name a

>few.  The only problem is I can't find seed for these plants.  Can anyone

>let me know of their sorces?

>

>Any information would be greatly appreciated!

>

>Steve Rudawski

>Rudawski@msn.com

>

>







From 123@hotmail.com Mon May 04 06:43:40 1998

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From: 123@hotmail.com (Coach)

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Could anyone tell me a good herb to use to improve my blood

circulation?  My hands and feet are always cold. I was walking the

other day and my feet were tingeling like they were asleep. My hands

also seem to fall asleep alot.



Thanks 

Marsha

"violence is the last refuge of the incompetent

.....Isaac Asimov





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>Could anyone tell me a good herb to use to improve my blood

>circulation?  My hands and feet are always cold. I was walking the

>other day and my feet were tingeling like they were asleep. My hands

>also seem to fall asleep alot.



Marsha



Cayenne and Ginkgo are two of the best herbs for improving circulation. I

believe also that Garlic can improve circulation. Garlic and Cayenne can

usually be bought together in combinations.



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Maybe you can also consider Ginger to warm your spleen and stomach for the

coldness of your hands and  feet.  Appropriate consumption of wine or

liquor can also improve blood circulation. 

best regards

Y.K. Law



Mani5 <mani5@aol.com> gJDD

<1998050407142301.DAA22435@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> >Could anyone tell me a good herb to use to improve my blood

> >circulation?  My hands and feet are always cold. I was walking the

> >other day and my feet were tingeling like they were asleep. My hands

> >also seem to fall asleep alot.

> 

> Marsha

> 

> Cayenne and Ginkgo are two of the best herbs for improving circulation. I

> believe also that Garlic can improve circulation. Garlic and Cayenne can

> usually be bought together in combinations.

> 



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In article <6ijdk5$jks$1@nr1.vancouver.istar.net>, 123@hotmail.com (Coach) wrote:

->

->Could anyone tell me a good herb to use to improve my blood

->circulation?  My hands and feet are always cold. I was walking the

->other day and my feet were tingeling like they were asleep. My hands

->also seem to fall asleep alot.



I've heard that Cayenne is a great herb for improving circulation.

(Probably tincture/extract would be best.)   You could probably find out more 

about it (and other circulation-improving herbs) if you do a search on the 

net.



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In article <6ijdk5$jks$1@nr1.vancouver.istar.net>, 123@hotmail.com (Coach)

writes:



>

>Could anyone tell me a good herb to use to improve my blood

>circulation?  My hands and feet are always cold. I was walking the

>other day and my feet were tingeling like they were asleep. My hands

>also seem to fall asleep alot.

>



Without a doubt use Gingko Biloba. This has been shown to increase oxygenated

blood flow to the extremeties. Older people use it a lot for this very reason. 





Terwur (-:

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PLEASURE?

"The only band in the world with a Musical Safety Officer" - NME

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Also, avoid nicotine, caffeine-containing drinks and any other nervous

system stimulants.



John Gatell

jgatell@freewwweb.com







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Have you had your blood sugar checked lately??



Coach wrote:



> Could anyone tell me a good herb to use to improve my blood

> circulation?  My hands and feet are always cold. I was walking the

> other day and my feet were tingeling like they were asleep. My hands

> also seem to fall asleep alot.

>

> Thanks

> Marsha

> "violence is the last refuge of the incompetent

> .....Isaac Asimov









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Hello Marsha,



First you need to avoid Vaso constrictors like Tabacco and coffee.

Then you could try Essential oils.  All of the Spice oils Ginger,

Black Pepper, Pimento Berry etc will warm the skin and help to

stimulate blood flow.  I would also use Majoram Essential Oil and

Geranium in any blend, to help counter any possible dermal toxic

reaction from the spice oils.



I am sorry that the details are lacking but without knowing details of

why you have poor circulation, it is not possible to offer more

specifice advice.



But i hope this helps.



On Mon, 04 May 1998 03:43:40 GMT, 123@hotmail.com (Coach) wrote:



>

>Could anyone tell me a good herb to use to improve my blood

>circulation?  My hands and feet are always cold. I was walking the

>other day and my feet were tingeling like they were asleep. My hands

>also seem to fall asleep alot.

>

>Thanks 

>Marsha

>"violence is the last refuge of the incompetent

>.....Isaac Asimov

>





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Have you been checked for Raynaud's disease? 



The Vitamin Dispenser at Prevention's Healthy Ideas has a section on 

nutrients that preserve circulation in capillaries. It is part of the 

feature on Raynaud's. The URL is



http://www.healthyideas.com/healing/vitamin/raynauds/



Hope this helps,



Pat

--

Prevention's Healthy Ideas Vitamin Dispenser

http://www.healthyideas.com/healing/vitamin/





>On Mon, 04 May 1998 03:43:40 GMT, 123@hotmail.com (Coach) wrote:

>

>>

>>Could anyone tell me a good herb to use to improve my blood

>>circulation?  My hands and feet are always cold. I was walking the

>>other day and my feet were tingeling like they were asleep. My hands

>>also seem to fall asleep alot.

>>

>>Thanks 

>>Marsha

>>"violence is the last refuge of the incompetent

>>.....Isaac Asimov

>>

>



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Could anyone tell me how and where to grow siberian ginsing? I have got

several come up from seed, but thats it. Any info would be appreciated.

Mark



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Here is a website that may be of interest to you.Good luck

      Marianne

http://www.state.mo.us/conservation/nathis/flora/ginseng/ginseng.html



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I have read that feverfew can help with depression, and even weight

control.(I have experienced this myself) I am now taking a mixture of

feverfew and valerian at bedtime, but it has only been a few days. I

will keep you guys (and gals!!) updated!:)



peace

james





-- 

"The more things stay the same, the more things change..."



Nigel Tuffnel, Spinal Tap



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hi all



i was wondering if anyone had any knowledge as to whether one should cycle the

use of herbal remedies (ie. 2 weeks on 1 week off or any other sort of

schedule).



i am currently using the following both as workout aids and for libido boost:



1)avena sativa

2)muira puama

3)triblus

4)ginko biloba

5)dhea

6)l-arginine (amino acid)



thanks for any input....cheers!



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Your body needs a break from any herb you plan on taking long term.  Six

days on, one day off will usually prevent the development of a food

sensitivity.  For anti-microbial/immune stimulating herbs one week on, two

weeks off seems to give the body sufficient time to rest.  Obviously if you

need to take the herb for 2 weeks to clear a particular infection, do so,

just don't use that same herb again for twice as long as you used it.



This does not apply to hormones, aminos, vitamins and minerals.   You

benefit more by taking these on a consistent basis.



i_luv_feet@yahoo.com wrote in message <6ijhc4$k9p$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>hi all

>

>i was wondering if anyone had any knowledge as to whether one should cycle

the

>use of herbal remedies (ie. 2 weeks on 1 week off or any other sort of

>schedule).

>

>i am currently using the following both as workout aids and for libido

boost:

>

>1)avena sativa

>2)muira puama

>3)triblus

>4)ginko biloba

>5)dhea

>6)l-arginine (amino acid)

>

>thanks for any input....cheers!

>

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Lesson 1. What is herb?



The general term of the word herb refer to, something, medicinal or promoting

health properties.

Herbs, that belong to the medicinal category, comprised either curative

(healing) or poisoneous properties(eg. antibiotic or chlorine). Those that

belong to the promoting health category, range from spices,herbs with

re-juvenating properties( correction on organ functioning)and herbs that

provide aprodisac(eg. shitake mushroom).

Danny Yang



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On Mon, 04 May 1998 00:01:07 -0600, hera@pacific.net.sg wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Lesson 1. What is herb?

>The general term of the word herb refer to, something, medicinal or promoting

>health properties.



This can be debated. The botanical term herb refers to a plant that has no woody

parts (ie herb as opposed to tree or shrub). To a forager 'herb' might mean

edible plants. To a herbalist 'herb' usually means medicinal plants. A dyer

might mean plants to dye for ;)



Usually mushrooms are not included in the term 'herb' as herbs are in the plant

kingdom and mushrooms are in the fungus kingdom. However, borderlines are fuzzy

as lichens are considered herbs.



Cheers

Henriette



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Henriette Kress wrote in message <354efc6d.1117449@news.theriver.com>...

>On Mon, 04 May 1998 00:01:07 -0600, hera@pacific.net.sg wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>Lesson 1. What is herb?

>>The general term of the word herb refer to, something, medicinal or

promoting

>>health properties.

>

>This can be debated. The botanical term herb refers to a plant that has no

woody

>parts (ie herb as opposed to tree or shrub). To a forager 'herb' might mean

>edible plants. To a herbalist 'herb' usually means medicinal plants. A dyer

>might mean plants to dye for ;)





It gets worse ;-).  If you ever study Traditional Chinese Medicine, you will

find the list of healing substances commonly included in lists of healing

"herbs" includes (besides the usual sort of leaves, roots, fruit, seeds,

bark and wood as you might expect) things like gelatin, water-buffalo horns,

antlers of various animals, sea shells, pearls, sea horses, fossilized

dinosaur bones, limestone, talc, amber, magnetite, honey and royal jelly,

even things like human placentas and ores containing mercury and lead.

There is no clear division in their philosophy between the sources of

things - it is the properties that count; just as there is no real division

(except perhaps in degree of effect) between substances that are eaten as

food and those taken primarily as medicine.  To some, the concept is that

"foods" are substances that benefit the body, prepared in such a way as to

make them palatable.



Remember most of the non-starchy vegetables in the Western cultures probably

were originally gathered and then cultivated for their "medicinal"

properties.  Brassicas (B. oleraceas like heading cabbages, broccoli,

cauliflower and Brussels sprouts), carrots, lettuces, celery, bulbing

onions, etc., which we now consider "vegetables", exist nowhere in the wild

in the forms now farmed and eaten.  They were in many cases originally used

as medicinal herbs, then gradually through selection assumed their modern

sizes and shapes.  And many of the culinary herbs and spices, which are

often dismissed as mere camouflage to make half-spoiled foods palatable, are

now known to posses potent antiseptic and antibiotic properties, and are

still used in many places around the world not just to flavor foods but to

help preserve them.



-Rich









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From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

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I just saw this post combined with the post from Jenn. I don't know why =

my computer didn't show the post from Broomstick, but I'll answer it now =

that I have seen it.



Jenn wrote in message ...

>

>Beesticker wrote in message

><1998050313190100.JAA11070@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>>OK, please explain how pasturization decreases the availability of =

calcium.



"Absorbability is poor because of pasteurizing, processing, high fat =

content, and an unbalanced relationship with phosphorus. Hormone =

residues and additives from cattle-raising practices also mean that =

calcium and other minerals are incompletely absorbed. Cow's milk =

contains proteins that are harmful to our immune systems, because they =

are absorbed into the blood undigested, provoking an immune response. =

Repeated exposure to these proteins disrupts normal immune function and =

may lead to disease."

quoted from Linda Rector-Page, N.D. Ph.D "healthy Healing" page 190



>>And where do you get this "Calves fed pateurized milk will die in

>approximately

>>6 weeks" stuff?



The article I posted was written by Lynn Wilde, N.D., Ph.D. This same =

information regarding calves being fed pasteurized cows milk die in 6 =

weeks is upheld by Linda Rector-Page. There have been cattle tests done =

on calves given their own mother's milk which has been pasteurized.

Pasteurization destroys the milk.



>>

>>>---Broomstick---





>

>I agree...pasteurization simply kills bacteria...it does NOT affect =

minerals

>like calcium...It's VERY doubtful that the flash heat (ie, a few =

seconds) of

>pasturization is actually enough to vaporize the calcium! Milk is also =

the

>best easily available liquid source for calcium, whether pasturized or =

not.

>Juices, unless supplemented with calcium (it'd say on the label), do =

NOT

>have a lot of calcium...furthermore, for some reason which is beyond me =

(but

>I've read in several places and seen on the news, I can try to find =

some

>magazines as sources if you'd like), if you have a cup of milk and a =

cup of

>any juice with the same amounts of calcium, you'll absorb more calcium =

from

>the milk...perhaps it's that milk isn't a true liquid (it's an aqueus

>solution, if I remember right), and so the calcium is bound in with =

fats

>(which take longer to digest and so may be absorbed longer), and in =

juices,

>calcium might be bound in with fats, which aren't in your digestive =

system

>as long...I have NO clue if what I just said is right, it's just a =

guess...



Above I stated from Linda Rector-Page about calcium and other minerals =

being incompletely absorbed. Bacteria, vitamins and minerals are =

destroyed during the pasteurization process. Many vegetables, nuts, =

seeds, fish and sea vegetables contain calcium that is easier for the =

body to assimilate. In my first article by Lynn Wilde, I posted several =

different foods to eat to get calcium. There is even more information =

out there, supporting these statements.



Kay=20





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade







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Terwur wrote:



> I think you will get all the calcium you need in milk-based products. Why do

> you want a pure source of the stuff?



Some of us be very very allergic to moo-juice!  And commerical stuff isn't

really that good for those of you who can drink it.



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>slade or kay henson wrote in message <6ikp05$8vc$1@news3.alpha.net>...

>I just saw this post combined with the post from Jenn. I don't know why

>my computer didn't show the post from Broomstick, but I'll answer it 

>now that I have seen it.

>

>>Beesticker wrote in message<BR>

>>>OK, please explain how pasturization decreases the availability of<BR>

>>>calcium.

>

>"Absorbability is poor because of pasteurizing, processing, 



OK, that repeats what was said before.  Now - HOW does pasturizing "destroy"

the milk?  We're not talking about boiling the stuff, for goodness sakes!



>high fat content, 



What about skim milk, then?  No fat at all.  And although milk has a "high" fat

content by the standards of today's guru's the fat content of milk is not

"high", it is right and proper for cow's milk.  Human milk also has a fair

amount of fat in it, as infants of all species need fat for the calories.



>Cow's milk contains proteins that are harmful to our immune systems, because 

>they are absorbed into the blood undigested, provoking an immune response. 



It is physically impossible for proteins to pass into the blood undisgested -

if they could, diabetics would be drinking insulin, not injecting it.  ALL

protein is reduced to consistuent amino acids prior to being aborbed.  The

allergic reaction comes about by proteins connecting to receptors on the

SURFACE of the digestive membranes.  You'd be a lot more credible if you

understood that.



>Repeated exposure to these proteins disrupts normal immune function and 

>may lead to disease."



My goodness, we're all in trouble now.  Eating ANY food results in contact with

proteins.  Allergic reactions can be provoke by ANY substance (although some

are more likely to cause a reaction than others).



>quoted from Linda Rector-Page, N.D. Ph.D "healthy Healing" page 190<BR>



Hmm.... naprapath and Doctorate of Science?  Not as convincing as an MD, or

even a degree in nutrition or dietician's license.



>>>And where do you get this "Calves fed pateurized milk will die in

>>>approximately 6 weeks" stuff?



>The article I posted was written by Lynn Wilde, N.D., Ph.D. This same

>information regarding calves being fed pasteurized cows milk die in 6

>weeks is upheld by Linda Rector-Page. There have been cattle tests done 

>on calves given their own mother's milk which has been pasteurized.

>Pasteurization destroys the milk.<BR>



Was this research done by the authors of the articles in question?  Can I read

their report first hand or only second?  Do I have access to a formal

peer-reviewed write-up or just statements like the above?



>Above I stated from Linda Rector-Page about calcium and other minerals

>being incompletely absorbed. 



No food is ever "completely absorbed".  That's why we have to go to the

bathroom occassionally.



>Bacteria, vitamins and minerals are destroyed during the pasteurization

process. 



It's the bacteria being destroyed that are the reason for pasturization. 

Hundreds, if not thousands, of people used to die yearly and many more get sick

from contaminated milk.  Should we go back to those days?



>Many vegetables, nuts, seeds, fish and sea vegetables contain calcium that is 

>easier for the body to assimilate.



Assuming, of course, you have no personal intolerance to any of the above. 

Look, I'm allergic to tomatoes, but I don't go around saying they're dangerous

and NO ONE should eat them!  Why do people with milk intolerances and allergies

want to deprieve the rest of us of a tasty and nutritious food?



>---Broomstick---





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>Why do people with milk intolerances and allergies

>want to deprieve the rest of us of a tasty and nutritious food?

>

>>---Broomstick---

>



Ahem. I agree completely with your post EXCEPT for that bit. I'm allergic to

coconut and mildly lactose intolerant, I'll never try to deprive anyone of

either of this (in fact, I'm as likely as the next person to eat them...and

suffer) ;)







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Beesticker wrote in message

<1998050511232100.HAA26844@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>It is physically impossible for proteins to pass into the blood

undisgested -

>if they could, diabetics would be drinking insulin, not injecting it.  ALL

>protein is reduced to consistuent amino acids prior to being aborbed.  The

>allergic reaction comes about by proteins connecting to receptors on the

>SURFACE of the digestive membranes.  You'd be a lot more credible if you

>understood that.





While it is true that in the "normal digestive process" proteins are broken

down into amino acids, in which form they then become available as building

blocks for the creation of our own proteins, this does not mean that no

proteins are absorbed directly into the bloodstream.  How else do some

people get hives from eating foods to which they are allergic?  And how else

explain the deadly effect of ricin, a very poisonous protein in castor bean

plants, which causes coagulation of the blood?



While it is true that proteins are destroyed in the normal digestive

process, the "leaky gut" syndrome (while it is an extreme example) is well

documented evidence that molecules like whole proteins can and do pass

directly into the bloodstream and body fluids.  Insulin must be injected

rather than eaten for the simple reason that it is a particularly unstable

molecule in highly acidic environments; that doesn't mean NONE is absorbed,

just not enough to do the job.



I'm afraid your argument does not stand up very well, if it is based on the

postulation that ALL proteins are broken down.



-Rich









From mkkitty@eznet.net Mon May 04 16:43:59 1998

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It could have been the DHEA in the cream also.  My sister didn't have a

period for over 6 months and started taking DHEA.  Got her period just like

before menopause.  Stopped taking the DHEA and in a couple of months the

periods disappeared.



Susan



Carole Raymond <carole.raymond@bigfoot.com> wrote in article

<35466cbb.163720980@sugarbear>...

> What got me worried was that when I used the cream for about 3 days, I

> started spotting.  This indicated to me that there was definitely some

> hormone activity, but I wasn't sure how much it would take to have an

> effect on the birth control pills.

> 

> Thanks to everyone for their responses.

> 

> --Carole





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In article <feyabe-2904980738280001@cox10.batnet.com> feyabe@batnet.com (Elena Becks) writes:

>In article <1998042904002100.AAA08091@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

>mlopre8091@aol.com (MLoPRE8091) wrote:

>

>> If anyone knows what natural herbs are available AND safe which reduce

>> hyperactivity in dogs, Please respond and email me at DOG222@aol.com.

>> thank you for any and all help you supply!  :)>





I have heard from a close friend and from  my parents that brewers yeast

has a sedative affect on dogs. Both used it to sedate their dogs

during 4th of July celebrations. I don't know the dosage level, but

yeast is not very toxic as evidenced by the local microbrew festivals. ;^)





Krystn





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From: Lisa Koon <lkoon@cornell-iowa.edu>

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I have recently begun taking herbal extracts of Black

Cohosh, Saw Palometto, False Unicorn Root, and Chaste Tree

Berry  for polycystic ovarian syndrome.  My question is are

herbal extracts as effective as softgels?  Also, I would

love to hear from anyone who has this problem and has

treated it with herbs.



Lisa





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Hello Puddies,  Dandelions are very eatible.  The entire plant can be

used. The flower heads can be made into dandelion friters.  Use the

flower petals in scamble eggs.  I make danelions jelly, which taste and

looks like honey.  The leaves and stems can be used as a pot herb, which

you cook up like fresh spinach.  When I was a little girl girl my cousin

and I went out and collected the young dandelions leaves, wash them and

use them as part of our family's salad. No need to cook them, just eat

them raw.  They should be the young leaves.  The olders leaves are used

for the pot herbs.  The root can also be wash good and cut up and par-boil

and saute in butter.  Dandelions are very nutritures and contain many

valuable vitamins and minerals.  It does have a higher Iron contain than

Spinach.  Have fun learning about this plant.  You can also buy dandelion

greens in cans now in the stores.  



On 28 Apr 1998, The Puddies wrote:



> 

> RhiannonWitch@webtv.net wrote in message

> <6ht1uf$ous$1@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...

> Hi everyone.

>                  Rhiannon here.

> Here in the North East of the United States, young tender dandelions are

> popping up all over the yard.  I remember the task of digging them up

> (root and all) for my nana who use to prepare them to eat.  My question

> is what parts can I eat and how do you prepare them?  I just remember

> eating the leaves steamed with butter and vinager.  I know they're

> loaded with iron and i'm anemic. I plan to dig them up today.  I just

> want to make sure I'm not wasting any part of the plant that may be

> edible. Also can you freeze the plant cooked or fresh?

> Thanks in advance to all who reply.

>                                      Blessings,

>                                            Rhiannon

> 

> Hi Rhiannon,

> 

> You should check out an italian cookbook for a really authentic recipe.....

> If I am not mistaken the leaves are gently parboiled for a moment or two,

> then removed and prepared with a vinaigrette dressing with garlic, and then

> baked for a short time to blend all the flavors.   I DO remember it was

> absolutely delicious.

> 

> Evelyn

> 

> 

> 

> 





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I understand that all parts of the dandelion can be used in the

kitchen. I've dug them up to use the roots for soup. They tend to hold

soil, so you have to rinse them a lot. But I cut them up in small

pieces with my litchen scissors and they were chewy in a meaty sort of

way.



My grandma used to use the leaves of young dandy's for salad. she made

a sweet and sour dressing from vinegar and sugar. May not be what you

like but you could find a vinegre that you can use. 









"The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net> wrote:





>RhiannonWitch@webtv.net wrote in message

><6ht1uf$ous$1@newsd-123.bryant.webtv.net>...

>Hi everyone.

>                 Rhiannon here.

>Here in the North East of the United States, young tender dandelions are

>popping up all over the yard.  I remember the task of digging them up

>(root and all) for my nana who use to prepare them to eat.  My question

>is what parts can I eat and how do you prepare them?  





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My Grandmother used the leafs to make Dandelion wine.  Course, I was to young

at the time to be allowed any to taste, so I dont know what the flavor would

have been.  Anyone out there that knows the recipe and what it tastes like?



  

Raven at     raven_d@hotmail.com   or at

                 Raven44DDD@aol.com



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Valerian wrote in message <35586D11.6F485DE5@home.com>...

>The recipe can be found in many herb books {check your local library, or

>search on the www for it}, however, the dandelion flowers are usually

>used.

>







And be sure there are no green pieces of calyx added to the must, as this

will give a bitter, unpleasant taste to the final wine.  You only want the

actual yellow rays.



-Rich









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Hi -



The dandelion wine recipes I've seen use the blossoms only (leaves are

fairly bitter, though I'm told that young ones make good salad). Best I

recall is to pick the blossoms - traditionally, on April 23  (St. George's

Day) - about a gallon of them.  Use only the petals (yellow parts),

discarding the 'base' of the blossom. Ferment in one gallon of water, with

sugar added to get the correct specific gravity (look in a winemaking book -

I forget the exact value for Sp. Gr.) and a packet of wine yeast. Fit the

fermentation vessel with an air lock (from a winemaking supply store).  When

no more bubbles evolve, it's done. Siphon the liquid off the petals and

sediment to another vessel (again, air-locked), and let settle till clear.

That should do it.



merlin

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In article <1998051314403700.KAA00821@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) wrote:





My Grandmother used the leafs to make Dandelion wine.  Course, I was to

young

at the time to be allowed any to taste, so I dont know what the flavor would

have been.  Anyone out there that knows the recipe and what it tastes like?



  

Raven at     raven_d@hotmail.com   or at

                 Raven44DDD@aol.com







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Hullo -

     I've been trying to make myself a database of herb knowledge - both

medicinal and culinary.  But I can't find medicinal information for herbs

such as rosemary, thyme, basil, oregano, sage, clove, et cetera.  However, I

don't think that's because there aren't medicinal uses for the traditionally

culinary herbs.  If any of you have info, please e-mail me. Thanks in advance!

Care and take care,

WildHeart (Briianna)



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In article <6ilhqr$43n$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, bmason@su.edu writes:



>.  But I can't find medicinal information for herbs

>such as rosemary, thyme, basil, oregano, sage, clove, et cetera.  However, I

>don't think that's because there aren't medicinal uses for the traditionally

>culinary herbs.  If any of you have info, please e-mail me. Thanks in

>advance!



Several of the herbs that you list are in Penelope Ody's excellent reference

book, Complete Medicinal Herbal. Most libraries seem to have a copy.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

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bmason@su.edu wrote in article <6ilhqr$43n$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> Hullo -

>      I've been trying to make myself a database of herb knowledge - both

> medicinal and culinary.  But I can't find medicinal information for herbs

> such as rosemary, thyme, basil, oregano, sage, clove, et cetera.  

> snip



I have two books that have a great deal of medicinal info for the herbs you

mention. They are both published by Rodale Books and the titles and authors

are as follows:Herbs for Health and Healing by Kathi Keville & The Healing

Herbs by Michael Castleman. The first book is the best one and I refer to

it all the time for myself and my family and friends. Both the books were

about $25.00 each. Hope this helps.

Peace

Mariah



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From: "Gloria Tong" <arrow@sprint.ca>

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Hello all,

    Have had osteoporosis for 5 years with level results. Over the past year

have lost some bone mass.  On didrocal to help prevent, but am a firm

believer in natural medicine.

    Any suggestions from anyone? I have other medical impairments as well

(Crohns disease, kidney stones, arthritis) so would of course need to

thoroughly research any suggested herbs but would greatly appreciate your

input.



Gloria







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A deficiency in calcium is usually blamed for osteoporosis. Although the

problem seems to be a deficiency, it may actually be caused by inadequate

absorption of calcium. There are several supplements that can help the

absorption of calcium and the forming of  new bone tissue.



MAGNESIUM - Works with calcium to activate the chemical reactions that form

new bone.

MANGANESE - A deficiency of this mineral can weaken bones and make them

more susceptible to breakage. Recommend supplementing with manganese

aspartate.

FOLIC ACID - Builds the collagen framework that mineral salts are deposited

onto to build new bone tissue.

VITAMIN B-12 - Deficiency of this vitamin prevents the bone building cells

from properly doing their job. As a result more bone is lost than formed.

VITAMIN D - Essential to properly absorb calcium from your intestines.

Beware that this vitamin is manufactured and stored by the body. Excessive

supplementation can lead to overdose.

BORON -  Helps to prevent the loss of calcium and magnesium in the urine.

ZINC - Enhances the effects of Vitamin D in helping to absorb and use

calcium. A deficiency of zinc will cause weak, brittle bones.



In addition to nutritional supplementation, dietary changes will have a

positive effect. Avoid carbonated soft drinks. Their phosphorus content

prevents proper calcium absorption from your food as well as causing the

loss of calcium in your urine. Alcohol should also be avoided, it prevents

the bone forming cells from doing their job. This means bone is lost faster

than it can be replaced. A diet high in sugar will cause the loss of

calcium because it raises your insulin level. Reduce or eliminate all

sources of sugar in your diet. (The average American consumes over 120

pounds of sugar a year!) A high fat diet will prevent the absorption of

calcium because the fat binds to calcium and passes through your system

unchanged. Restrict your fat intake to 30% of your daily calories.





BioLifeplus Nutrition

Nutrition for the New You!



For more information about nutritional supplements

visit our web site at: http://www.biolifeplus.com

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Hello Gloria, 



I have heard some interesting things re: calcium absorption lately I

thought I'd pass on.  You may already be aware of this, but the body needs

Vitamin D to properly assimilate calcium into the bones.  The sunlight

synthesizes Vitamin D in the human body.  Many people have been avoiding

the sunlight because of the skin cancer scare, and as a result, calcium

supplements pass right through the body.  I've heard that 2 to 4 hours of

morning sun a day is helpful, if possible.  Of course some people

are more sensitive to sun than others (burn easier) and different

locations have different sun intensity levels, so adjust accordingly.

Places that specifically synthesize Vitamin D are the back

of the neck and the back of the knees.  This is just an easy start to help

calcium absorption without possible complications from your other

conditions.  Hope this is some help, and I wish you good luck!



Blessed Be!

Emily 





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re: Vitamin D from the sun - I just read somewhere that but a few minutes a day

in full clothing is enough for the body to get the Vitamin D it needs - in

other words, you don't need to worry about sun worshipping and turning colors

if you are of a northern European heredity like me! (I don't recall where I

read this, either Reader's Digest or Prevention, I think).



re: absorbtion of calcium - it is also very important for absorbtion to have

magnesium with the calcium. Of course, there is a specific ratio that works

best, which I don't know, but I do know that much! If you are taking a calcium

supplement, check to make sure there is magnesium in it as well, or it won't do

you much good.

Rebecca



So many books, so little time



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From: Raelin Firestorm <raelin@dancingspider.com>

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Terwur wrote:



> I *do*. however, feel a bit wired since taking the SJW but I've discovered that

> if I just chill out its okay.

> Perhaps it's that I take 300mg of 3% extract every 4 hours.



<smile>  I had that problem this spring.  I have never gotten a clear diagnosison

my problem, but SJW works well during the winter.  Once the spring gets

here, I  can't take it. . .but then I don't need it.  I suggested to my last

therapist that I might be SAD but she said nope, I was bipolar.



love and light

Raelin Firestorm

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From: ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford)

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Someone in an e-mail group I belong to has asked if primrose oil capsules

are good for increasing fertile cervical fluid and increasing the lining

of the uterus, both of which are good ways to assist in boosting

conditions favourable to conception.



Does anyone know?  She also wanted to know if it is safe to take evening

primrose after concpetion, or if she should only take it for the first

half of her menstrual cycle.



TIA

Kathy



 -- 

       

                   ***************************                      

Nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight

Got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight

                                 - Bruce Cockburn



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Hello Kathryn,



I can not say if Evening Primrose Oil will assist in helping create

the best conditions for conseption.  However the studies I have been

looking up do seem to offer hope as EPO apears to help with many

conditions related to the menstural cycle.   You could always try

using Clary Sage	{Salvia Scaleria} in a 3 to 5% dilution in

carrier oil too, as this has been used by Aromatherapist for years to

help treating infertility problems.



There are other Essential Oils that may help in balancing the body and

helping create the best conditions for conseption.  A blend of:



	Coriander	{Coriandrum Sativum}		10 drops

	Fennel sweet	{Foeniculum Vulgare}		10 drops

	Geranium	{Pelogonium Graveoleons}	10 drops

	diluted to {5%} 30 ml in carrier oil



This blend will help the body maximise the potential for a sucsesful

conseption.  It should be used from about a week before ovulation and

applied to the abdomem and upper and lower back.



As for the question on taking the EPO after conseption, I dont know if

it will help or harm.  The indications are that it will not, but to be

on the safe side I would recommend stoping taking it after conseption

unless a more knowledgable soul can say otherwise.



Hope this helps though

 

On 5 May 1998 03:17:27 GMT, ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford)

wrote:



>Someone in an e-mail group I belong to has asked if primrose oil capsules

>are good for increasing fertile cervical fluid and increasing the lining

>of the uterus, both of which are good ways to assist in boosting

>conditions favourable to conception.

>

>Does anyone know?  She also wanted to know if it is safe to take evening

>primrose after concpetion, or if she should only take it for the first

>half of her menstrual cycle.

>

>TIA

>Kathy

>

> -- 

>       

>                   ***************************                      

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>Got to kick at the darkness till it bleeds daylight

>                                 - Bruce Cockburn





From DLEADEN@pbtcomm.net Tue May 05 06:27:12 1998

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I just started taking Damaina. I have read some about it but want more

info. If you have any info or have had success with it for infertility I

would love to hear about it.  Thanks "Heidi"



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Heidi...

   What are you taking Damiana for???   I take it all the time...  

I have a LOT of info on it.. just let me know what ya need!!!   It is the

biggest aphrodesiac I know of!!!!    :-)     As far as infertility.. I can give

you a list of really good herbs for that okay??   If you can .. find a book

called   Hygeia - A woman's herbal

It gives lists and lists of infertiliy... temporary sterility.. all kinds of

stuff!!!!

~Luvdove6~



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On 05 May 1998 18:13:49 GMT, luvdove6@aol.com (Luvdove6) wrote:



>Heidi...

>   What are you taking Damiana for???   I take it all the time...  

>I have a LOT of info on it.. just let me know what ya need!!!   It is the

 Greetings Luvdove!

Perhaps you could give me a little info. I bought damiana tincture.

How much should I take per day, to ..uh..um..well, you know ;-]



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> Perhaps you could give me a little info. I bought damiana tincture.

> How much should I take per day, to ..uh..um..well, you know ;-]



Depends. However, as a side note, one of my herb books suggests that

damiana should be drank as a tea, at the same time you're smoking some

from a pipe. 



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DLEADEN wrote:

> 

> I just started taking Damaina. I have read some about it but want more

> info. If you have any info or have had success with it for infertility I

> would love to hear about it.  Thanks "Heidi"



Heidi,



I guess there are other herbs for infertility then Damiana. Damiana

is supposed to transport more oxygen to your sex organs therefore

it is an aphrodesiac.

For infertility Dong Quai, False Unicorn, Wild Yam and Vitex

are very helpful.



Hope that helps

Petra



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Hello Heidi,



Now I am not a Herbalist but I am an Aromatherapist, and there may be

differences with using the herb to using the Essential Oil.  



Damania is a very potent Aphrodisiac and if the reason for the

infertility is stress related using Damania may help.  However Damania

will also help induce menstration to start and it can be used to help

regulate periods.



If you have problems with infertility, or are just not getting

pregnent, there are other Essential oils and or treatments that may

help.  



You may need to treat the reason for infertility but Damania is not my

first choice for treating this problem, as it may stop a fertilised

egg implanting.



On Mon, 04 May 1998 23:27:12 -0400, DLEADEN <DLEADEN@pbtcomm.net>

wrote:



>I just started taking Damaina. I have read some about it but want more

>info. If you have any info or have had success with it for infertility I

>would love to hear about it.  Thanks "Heidi"





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anyone have info on oil of oregano and where to get it?



From chura@intergate.bc.ca Tue May 05 09:40:56 1998

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We got ours from the local herbal store.  Had only one selection - the North

American brand.  The address on the bottle is as follows:



North American Herb & Spice Co.

PO Box 4885

Buffalo Grove, IL 60089

1-800-243-5242



Also, check out the book written by Dr. Cass Ingram called "The Cure is in

the Cupboard"; How to use Oregano for Better Health.



Hope this helps.







Emoli wrote in message <1998050504233900.AAA09800@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>anyone have info on oil of oregano and where to get it?







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I am trying to compile a hrbal formula from an ancient syrian text.

There are a few that I can't figure out what they are. Any sugestions would

be greatly appreaciated. Also any herb suppliers that can be recomended by

experiance would be great.



Meadow saxifrage-seseli officinale

costus

gum of terebinth

castoreum

juice of tragopogon-goats beard

larus malabathrum

incense berries

berries of kupion

mu- meum athamanticum or bearwort

stacte

sagapenum









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On Tue, 05 May 1998 06:30:18 GMT, "Kenobi" <khodson@direct.ca> wrote:



>I am trying to compile a hrbal formula from an ancient syrian text.

>There are a few that I can't figure out what they are. Any sugestions would

>be greatly appreaciated. Also any herb suppliers that can be recomended by

>experiance would be great.

>

>Meadow saxifrage-seseli officinale

>costus

>gum of terebinth

>castoreum

>juice of tragopogon-goats beard

>larus malabathrum

>incense berries

>berries of kupion

>mu- meum athamanticum or bearwort

>stacte

>sagapenum



I did a search on just the first few names at this site:

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html



It turned up information you might be able to use.



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Hi 



Without doing a lot of research I cant name them all but gum of

terebinth is pine sap and I think juice of tragopogon-goats beard is

Taragon.



I hope this helps a little





On Tue, 05 May 1998 06:30:18 GMT, "Kenobi" <khodson@direct.ca> wrote:



>I am trying to compile a hrbal formula from an ancient syrian text.

>There are a few that I can't figure out what they are. Any sugestions would

>be greatly appreaciated. Also any herb suppliers that can be recomended by

>experiance would be great.

>

>Meadow saxifrage-seseli officinale

>costus

>gum of terebinth

>castoreum

>juice of tragopogon-goats beard

>larus malabathrum

>incense berries

>berries of kupion

>mu- meum athamanticum or bearwort

>stacte

>sagapenum

>

>

>





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On Mon, 18 May 1998 14:33:18 GMT,

ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter) wrote:



>Hi 

>

>Without doing a lot of research I cant name them all but gum of

>terebinth is pine sap and I think juice of tragopogon-goats beard is

>Taragon.

>

>I hope this helps a little

>

>

>On Tue, 05 May 1998 06:30:18 GMT, "Kenobi" <khodson@direct.ca> wrote:

>

>>I am trying to compile a hrbal formula from an ancient syrian text.

>>There are a few that I can't figure out what they are. Any sugestions would

>>be greatly appreaciated. Also any herb suppliers that can be recomended by

>>experiance would be great.

>>

>>incense berries

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



I'm fairly certain this is juniper berries ... but if I remember

correctly, these are poison.  I'll check and post a follow - up.





Many well days,



Stephen Fraser

Email: frasers@surenet.net

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From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Mon May 25 09:15:13 1998

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On Mon, 25 May 1998 03:54:08 GMT, NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net (A.Stephen Fraser)

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>>>incense berries

>

>I'm fairly certain this is juniper berries ... but if I remember

>correctly, these are poison.  I'll check and post a follow - up.



Juniper berries, if from Juniperus communis or any other non-toxic juniper, is

not toxic. It's a nice spice and good medicine. However, you do have to be

careful in its use if you have kidney problems or are pregnant - it tends to

overstimulate already taxed kidneys.



Henriette



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A.Stephen Fraser wrote in message <3568eab9.38279003@news.surenet.net>...

>On Mon, 18 May 1998 14:33:18 GMT,

>ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter) wrote:

>

>>Hi

>>

>>Without doing a lot of research I cant name them all but gum of

>>terebinth is pine sap and I think juice of tragopogon-goats beard is

>>Taragon.





Tragopogon is also known as salsify or oyster plant.  It can be found in

some speciality vegetable-seed catalogs.  It is related (distantly) to

tarragon.



>>>incense berries

>

>I'm fairly certain this is juniper berries ... but if I remember

>correctly, these are poison.  I'll check and post a follow - up.



Well, I'd be real surprised :) since they're the principal flavor in Gin.

One of the major seasoning herb companies (McCormick?  Spice Islands?) even

sells them in little bottles, and they figure especially into recipes and

marinades for wild game.  In herbal medicine they are used as diuretics and

were once supposed to be beneficial to the nerves.  Excessive quantities can

cause irritation of the kidneys.  According to M. Grieve in _A Modern

Herbal_,  "The chief use of Juniper is as an adjuvant to diuretics in dropsy

depending on heart, liver or kidney disease. It imparts a violet odour to

the urine, and large doses may cause irritation to the passages. An infusion

of 1 oz. to 1 pint of boiling water may be taken in the course of

twenty-four hours."



-Rich













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I am trying to find a bulk supplier , preferably but not necessarily based

in the UK, for panax ginseng, eleutherococcus, sasaparilla, and

schisandra. Any suggestions?



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From: "Earl Purkey" <epurkey@dapearl.com>

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Hello Folks...

    I friend of mine has been told by her Doctor that she has:  Dishydrotic

Eczema.  This is like (I guess) allergic to her own sweat? It shows up as

little blisters on her hands.  Then the skin cracks. Very painful.  She's

also fighting with Tendenitis in her wrists and hands.  Can someone tell me

(so I can tell her..) some effective herbs and treatments for both of these

maladies? Thanks for your time and interest!



Earl









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Earl....   there are definetely herbs for eczema but didn't her doctor give her

topical medicine for it??  I have eczema off and on and I take herbs to try and

prevent it but when it's THERE... I use this lotion my doctor gives me and it

goes away in 2 days at the MOST....    didnt she get a prescription...



And I know how it feels.. it's really bad!



Holly



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Earl Purkey <epurkey@dapearl.com> wrote in article

<6in6pm$l31@enews3.newsguy.com>...

> Hello Folks...

>     I friend of mine has been told by her Doctor that she has: 

Dishydrotic

> Eczema.  This is like (I guess) allergic to her own sweat? It shows up as

> little blisters on her hands.  Then the skin cracks. Very painful.  She's

> also fighting with Tendenitis in her wrists and hands.  Can someone tell

me

> (so I can tell her..) some effective herbs and treatments for both of

these

> maladies? Thanks for your time and interest!

> 

> Earl

> 

> 

> 

> 

I've had eczema all my life. Here are a few of the things I've tried and/or

been recommended



Avoid sodium laurel sulphate ( in soaps and shampoos) Try health food store

for brands without.

Take Evening Primrose Oil as a supplement

Apply Evening Primrose Oil topically to undamaged skin (so it can be

absorbed)

Take tincture of Oregon Grape Root

Wash affected area with yarrow flower infusion (tea)

Borage oil as a supplement

A decoction of horsetail to affected skin

Other blood purifying herbs such as Yellow Dock, Nettles 



One theory is that stress produces chemicals that travel through the

bloodstream to the skin surface via capillaries and then for some reason

cause irritation to some parts of the skin. I have definitely seen a

"stress" connection in my case.



Hope this gives you something to start with......



Lady Skylark



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On 5 May 1998 22:33:36 GMT, "LSkylark" <jams@getnet.com> wrote:



>I've had eczema all my life. Here are a few of the things I've tried and/or

>been recommended



You didn't list going dairy-free. Have you tried it? It may not work, but

dairy is often a cause of eczema.



Don (at panix com).



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As for tendonitis, the info below was saved from the Herb email list.

Another respondent recommended a Mullein compress and taking lots of Calcium

and Magnesium.



  Subject: Re: tendonitis in forearm





>>My son, who is a chef, called tonight for herbal remedy advice re:

>>tendonitis in his forearm.

>>(all that chopping and cooking)  He had tried resting it in a splint for a

>>few days while using ibuprofen - didn't work.

>

>See Tom go ballistic over current MD thinking on this one.  They all seem

>to give the same

>advice - "let me give you a cortisone shot, meantime, change jobs", grrrr.

>

>Try Lavender oil, Dit Dat Jaio liniment, even that cayenne tincture.

>I've had great success using acupressure.  With the arm held fairly

>straight, feel around the outside of the elbow joint - will usually find

>one or more OUCH spots.  May also find one on back of upper arm (where you

>normally get shots) and/or upper forearm by placing four fingers together,

>measuring down from elbow joint.  In all cases, rotate on the OUCH spots 3

>or 4 times/day or simply press down with index finger directly over the

>spot(s) for about 30 seconds or until the ouch goes away.  You may assume

>that acupuncture is very helpful for this.  Wearing an arm brace also

>helpful.

>

Earl Purkey wrote in message <6in6pm$l31@enews3.newsguy.com>...

>Hello Folks...

>    I friend of mine has been told by her Doctor that she has:  Dishydrotic

>Eczema.  This is like (I guess) allergic to her own sweat? It shows up as

>little blisters on her hands.  Then the skin cracks. Very painful.  She's

>also fighting with Tendenitis in her wrists and hands.  Can someone tell me

>(so I can tell her..) some effective herbs and treatments for both of these

>maladies? Thanks for your time and interest!

>

>Earl

>

>

>







From pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net Tue May 05 19:36:19 1998

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From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

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Hey, group.  If you follow my scribblings, you know I am somewhat skeptical

of using herbs or alternative medicines for really serious diseases if any

conventional approach exists (or at least to pursue BOTH avenues), but I am

starting to rethink my position.  I ran across this website reference in a

Chronic Lymphocytic Leukemia group posting, and thought I'd pass it along

for what it's worth.  Take a look for yourselves if you like.  This guy

sounds both knowledgeable and serious, and only seems to be selling a book

at most.  He is a former researcher at the Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer

Center of New York, so he does have some experience in the area.  Make your

own decision; I just though some of you would be interested.

http://www.ralphmoss.com/



-Rich









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My personal thoughts on the subject - having watched my mom suffer trho an

incurable cancer and the knowledge that i bleive the odds are 1 in 3 these days

that a personw ill deal with cancer in their life personally



I believe in combining tradiitional treatments 

and then adding holistic ones - to asist in destroying the cancer itself

to ease the side effects of chemo and radiation

to help build up the bodies natural health and resistance and help it heal

itself



just my 2 cents



Jia



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For the past almost 5 years I have had Norplant as my birth control.

Recently I have had a loss of sex drive and we've been attributing it to

the fact that the amount of hormones being released in my body has

decreased.

I had previously taken Don Quai and it had increased my libido. Is there

anything else I could take herbal to increase the hormone amount in my

system? Any input would be greatly appreciated



Liz





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Hi, was wondering if there are any herbs specific to healing the body from too much alcohol, on a long term and ongoing basis, and perhaps any that diminish cravings for alcohol.  Thanks, Pepper



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Hello Pepper,



Angelica Root {Angelica Archangelica} Essential oil does appear to

create an adversion to alcohol, and can be used to treat alcoholisam.

However the person must really want to combat the adiction.

 

Hope this helps a little



On 5 May 1998 18:25:11 GMT, <@orc.ca> wrote:



>Hi, was wondering if there are any herbs specific to healing the body from too much alcohol, 

>on a long term and ongoing basis, and perhaps any that diminish cravings for alcohol.  Thanks, Pepper





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Lobelia is usually used to help someone stop smoking.. you can drink it or

smoke it...  it reduces nicotine cravings.   there is other uses too.. if you

have ???'s you can email me  :-)

~Luvdove6~



luvdove6@aol.com

http://members.wbs.net/homepages/s/h/a/shapeshift.html



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I live in Topeka, Kansas. Can anyone comment on herbs for allergies.

Also bee pollen.  My son has a mild history of asthma, and has allergies

symptoms now with alot of coughing. He is 17.  The doctor is attributing

it to allergies.







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In article <Pine.A41.3.96.980505152213.230448C-100000@acc.wuacc.edu>, parr

donna         <parrdon@acc.wuacc.edu> writes:



>I live in Topeka, Kansas. Can anyone comment on herbs for allergies.

>Also bee pollen.  My son has a mild history of asthma, and has allergies

>symptoms now with alot of coughing. He is 17.  The doctor is attributing

>it to allergies.



Two common approaches to this problems in alternative medicine are acupuncture

and elimination of milk from the diet. I've done the latter for years, but just

started doing a full course of acupuncture this spring (hey, an acupuncturist

moved in next door and I had no more excuses...) Have to say that the

acupuncture has been amazingly helpful for the sinus and asthma.



I'd suggest knowing exactly what your son's allergy triggers are before going

on bee pollen. For some people, this can desensitize them to common pollens --

for others it can trigger a severe allergy attack. 



There's tons of allergy/natural medicine books out there. Check your local

library for Robert Ivker's SINUS SURVIVAL. Good overview of many alternative

methods and interesting commentary on the possible links between sinus

irritation and increasing asthma.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/



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try some "local" honey...great for local pollens and good expectorant for

the coughing....



Teri





On Tue, 5 May 1998, parr donna wrote:



> 

> I live in Topeka, Kansas. Can anyone comment on herbs for allergies.

> Also bee pollen.  My son has a mild history of asthma, and has allergies

> symptoms now with alot of coughing. He is 17.  The doctor is attributing

> it to allergies.

> 

> 

> 

> 



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I use local honey to make a horehound syrup and I use it as an expectorant

for the coughing.



To help keep the lungs clear and healthy, I drink mullien tea.  When it

moves to my sinus, I add cocklebur.



Feel ree to drop me a line if you want the details.



Scott Lee

(Remove the _NOSPAM from my address before mailing)



Roger Randall wrote in message ...

>try some "local" honey...great for local pollens and good expectorant for

>the coughing....

>

>Teri

>

>

>On Tue, 5 May 1998, parr donna wrote:

>

>>

>> I live in Topeka, Kansas. Can anyone comment on herbs for allergies.

>> Also bee pollen.  My son has a mild history of asthma, and has allergies

>> symptoms now with alot of coughing. He is 17.  The doctor is attributing

>> it to allergies.

>>

>>

>>

>>







From fwillis@istar.ca Wed May 06 02:03:02 1998

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My last physical showed a level for LDL cholesterol just above the

high-normal range.  My doctor went through diet and exercise, which I am

addressing.  What herbal preparations are good for lowering cholesterol

levels.  In six months my doctor may consider medication which I do not want

to get started on.



Any advice would be appreciated.



Fred Willis







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Subject: Re: Lowering High Cholesterol?

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Some herbs that have shown promise in lowering cholesterol are:



CAYENNE - cuts cholesterol levels and reduces the risk of blood clots that

can cause heart attack.

CELERY SEED - One of the active ingredients in Celery seed, known as butyl

phthalide, has been shown in laboratory studies to help reduce cholesterol

levels and blood pressure.

GARLIC -  Yes the "stinking rose" is very good at lowering cholesterol. In

one study cholesterol levels dropped by an average 21 percent for those who

took roughly a gram of garlic per day for 16 weeks.

FENUGREEK - Has been shown to reduce cholesterol levels in lab animals.

Indian research has shown the same effect in people.



Although not an herb, lecithin is effective at increasing your HDL "good

cholesterol" and lowering your LDL or "bad cholesterol."

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Fred Willis <fwillis@istar.ca> wrote in article

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> My last physical showed a level for LDL cholesterol just above the

> high-normal range.  My doctor went through diet and exercise, which I am

> addressing.  What herbal preparations are good for lowering cholesterol

> levels.  In six months my doctor may consider medication which I do not

want

> to get started on.

> 

> Any advice would be appreciated.

> 

> Fred Willis





From skram@flex.net Wed May 06 05:38:16 1998

From: skram@flex.net (Mark Stockton)

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Subject: Herbs or Incense for ridding birds?

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I've got a problem with grackles (a type of blackbird) in

my back yard.  I can tolerate other birds, but these are

leaving huge, smelly messes on and around my deck.  I was

wondering if there's any kind of smoke that might bother

them, but not us, enough to make them leave.  Or maybe

some flower or herb that would bother them or attact 

another less disgusting bird that would chase them out.



I've already been to the rec.birds and *.gardens groups.

I was just wondering if there were some other ideas out

there.  I don't want to harm the birds, I just want them

to go somewhere else.



MarkS



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skram@flex.net (Mark Stockton) wrote:



>I've got a problem with grackles (a type of blackbird)

  (large bird that comes in flocks - pretty but noisy)



>I was

>wondering if there's any kind of smoke that might bother

>them, but not us, enough to make them leave.

  Smoke from a shotgun blast?  They don't scare easily, and I've

seen them perching on those fake owls that supposedly repel

birds.

  What is attracting them?  If it's fruit, put bird netting over

the trees or bushes.



>Or maybe

>some flower or herb that would bother them or attact 

>another less disgusting bird that would chase them out.

  Birds don't have much of a sense of smell, so that kind of

repellent is useless.  Not much is willing to chase a grackle:

they are bigger than most birds and more aggressive.

  You might have luck with hanging shiny things like pie pans, or

even software CDs (another use for those AOL CDs!) in trees and

bushes where they can freely rotate and flash in the sunlight.

It sometimes makes them nervous and discourages them.



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A "standardized concentration" of 0.3% hypericin is the level

used in the study done by Dr. Harold Bloomberg in his book

HYPERICUM AND DEPRESSION (this is on the web in its

entirety at www.hypericum.com, btw)  Alcohol extraction is the preferred

method, 300mg 3 times per day is the recommended starting dose.  This is

available in several brands, but there are many MORE that either don't have the

necessary concentration

or method of extraction.  I buy mine from a mail order company called Puritan's

Pride, 1-800-645-1030.  They are always buy one get one free, and many times

they have sales of buy one get two, or even buy one get three free.  Product

number 5070 is what you

want, this is 100 count, 300mg, 0.3% hypericin.



Hope this helps!



Robin

(I've been using this for a year with AMAZING results, so if you want more

info, email me privately).

:o)

Robin

(aka Ma Vinci)



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Subject: Re: Brand of SJW

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On 06 May 1998 03:18:10 GMT, mavinci2@aol.com (MaVinci2) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>A "standardized concentration" of 0.3% hypericin is the level

>used in the study done by Dr. Harold Bloomberg in his book

>HYPERICUM AND DEPRESSION (this is on the web in its

>entirety at www.hypericum.com, btw)  Alcohol extraction is the preferred

>method, 300mg 3 times per day is the recommended starting dose.  



No. Ask any good herbalist. Their preferred form of St.John's wort will be a

tincture of the whole fresh or dried flowers; next come tincture of fresh or

dried flowering tops, next come tincture of fresh or dried plant. 

If you are talking about 300 mg you are not talking about Hypericum, you are

talking about hypericin, one single constituent of the plant. That is not

St.John's wort. You talk St.John's wort when you count squirts out of the

dropper bottle, not mentioning percentages except for the percentage of alcohol

used to tincture the plant.



Any professional herbalist you ask will tell you that the concept of standards

is ridiculous. Since when do plants grow the same size in two different spots?

In two different years? In two different stands? Same for color of flower, taste

of leaf, constituents of root, scent of the oil. 

So, since when can anybody control the constituents of plants? If we talk pure

constituents we're not talking herbs, we're talking pharmacy. And that's

off-topic for this newsgroup - try misc.health.alternative for that kind of

posting.



Grow something for one thing and lose the rest of it; just check out commercial

American apples, grown for looks, taste like juicy cardboard.



Hypericum works because of the sum of its constituents. Hypericin has been hown

do do nothing at all for depression when pure enough. A steady hypericin

percentage doesn't tell you anything whatsoever about the rest of the

constituents



Now would you folks please stop hyping standardized SJW on this newsgroup?



Much obliged.

Henriette



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On Wed, 06 May 1998 06:09:41 GMT, HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

wrote:



>No. Ask any good herbalist. Their preferred form of St.John's wort will be a

>tincture of the whole fresh or dried flowers; next come tincture of fresh or

>dried flowering tops, next come tincture of fresh or dried plant. 

>If you are talking about 300 mg you are not talking about Hypericum, you are

>talking about hypericin, one single constituent of the plant. That is not

>St.John's wort. You talk St.John's wort when you count squirts out of the

>dropper bottle, not mentioning percentages except for the percentage of alcohol

>used to tincture the plant.

>

>Any professional herbalist you ask will tell you that the concept of standards

>is ridiculous. Since when do plants grow the same size in two different spots?

>In two different years? In two different stands? Same for color of flower, taste

>of leaf, constituents of root, scent of the oil. 

>So, since when can anybody control the constituents of plants? If we talk pure

>constituents we're not talking herbs, we're talking pharmacy. And that's

>off-topic for this newsgroup - try misc.health.alternative for that kind of

>posting.

>

>Grow something for one thing and lose the rest of it; just check out commercial

>American apples, grown for looks, taste like juicy cardboard.

>

>Hypericum works because of the sum of its constituents. Hypericin has been hown

>do do nothing at all for depression when pure enough. A steady hypericin

>percentage doesn't tell you anything whatsoever about the rest of the

>constituents

>

>Now would you folks please stop hyping standardized SJW on this newsgroup?

>

>Much obliged.

>Henriette



Would you please stop smoking  those other herbs, before posting this

nonsense. How many studies of standardized SJW do you need?

Do a net search. There are 100's of them confirming the benefits of

standardized SJW.



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On Wed, 06 May 1998 16:33:19 -0400, nospam@infi.net (Mark) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Would you please stop smoking  those other herbs, before posting this

>nonsense. 



Personal attack instead of facts? Hmmm.



>How many studies of standardized SJW do you need?

>Do a net search. There are 100's of them confirming the benefits of

>standardized SJW.



How many of these 100's of sites with studies of standardized SJW sell

standardized SJW? 100 % would a be pretty close estimate, right? 

These commercial sites aren't the most reliable sources of information, they

kind of have a vested interest ...



Henriette



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"Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net> writes: > HERE!!! HERE!!!

> 

> Henriette Kress wrote in message <354ffc4f.639327@news.theriver.com>...

> >On 06 May 1998 03:18:10 GMT, mavinci2@aol.com (MaVinci2) wrote in

> >alt.folklore.herbs:

> >

> >>A "standardized concentration" of 0.3% hypericin is the level

> >>used in the study done by Dr. Harold Bloomberg in his book

> >>HYPERICUM AND DEPRESSION (this is on the web in its

> >>entirety at www.hypericum.com, btw)  Alcohol extraction is the preferred

> >>method, 300mg 3 times per day is the recommended starting dose.

> >

> >No. Ask any good herbalist. Their preferred form of St.John's wort will be

> a

> >tincture of the whole fresh or dried flowers; next come tincture of fresh

> or

> >dried flowering tops, next come tincture of fresh ....



Hi to all!

Thankfully Henriette said what I've believed all along but couldn't

say as well as her. That being: medicinal herbs for the most part do

not need to be "standardized" to be effective. A carrot may vary 

somewhat in concentration of carotene but (if grown in reasonably good

soil) will still taste, look and act "like a carrot" As herbalists we

want to avoid sounding and acting like "conventional medicine 

practitioners". Our great-grandfathers and great-grandmothers did not 

have standardized herb capsules, etc. yet were able to help "cure" with

herbal remedies!



                          In good health (through herbs), Jerry

                           jsmith@en.com



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Fire and brimstone Henriette!



Respect the passion but .....



Why is your tincture any better than a so called standardized extract. 

A tincture is still an extract.  Do you know for sure exactly what you

are disolving out in the alcohol?   (are you going to eat me alive for

that one?)  The logical conclusion of your argument means we should only

eat whole plants.



I think it's worth remembering that hypericin is the *marker* that the

producers measure (by hplc or spectrophotometric methods) to standardize

the extract.  But it is not the only ingredient.  The other constituents

in the herb, the dianthrones/flavonoids etc are also extracted together

with the hypericin but aren't usually tested for, nor shown on the

typical certs of analysis for the extract because the "market" doesn't

want it.  Capsule and tablet formulators - the brand names - just want

to see one thing on an extract c/a:  0.3% hypericin.  



The point of greatest general arrogance, and perhaps what rubbed you the

wrong way in the Mavinci2 post, is the thinking that because SJW extract

is standarized to hypericin then that is the only useful active

ingredient.  I say that plant chemistry is so complicated we are

deluding ourselves in this - despite all the "studies".  Standardization

is a pretty blunt instrument which may help us to pull out some

chemicals of use to the body but does not tell us the whole story at

all.



Incidentally, commercial extraction is also done with alcohol - usually

60% ethanol - but instead of drinking the alcohol it is condensed and

spray dried to get to the powdered extract.  This surely isn't a million

miles away from your method??  (go on then, shoot me down in flames! I'm

ready :-)  )



Your biggest advantage as a herbalist must be that you administer *care*

together with your tincture - it's a package deal that the Saturday girl

beeping the bottle of SJW tabs through the till in the supermarket will

never be able to compete with.  This is something the self-help, quick

fix, 5X ginseng 10X power (sic) brigade don't realise. 





SWALK !



Nick 



---------------------------------



Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> On 06 May 1998 03:18:10 GMT, mavinci2@aol.com (MaVinci2) wrote in

> alt.folklore.herbs:

> 

> >A "standardized concentration" of 0.3% hypericin is the level

> >used in the study done by Dr. Harold Bloomberg in his book

> >HYPERICUM AND DEPRESSION (this is on the web in its

> >entirety at www.hypericum.com, btw)  Alcohol extraction is the preferred

> >method, 300mg 3 times per day is the recommended starting dose.

> 

> No. Ask any good herbalist. Their preferred form of St.John's wort will be a

> tincture of the whole fresh or dried flowers; next come tincture of fresh or

> dried flowering tops, next come tincture of fresh or dried plant.

> If you are talking about 300 mg you are not talking about Hypericum, you are

> talking about hypericin, one single constituent of the plant. That is not

> St.John's wort. You talk St.John's wort when you count squirts out of the

> dropper bottle, not mentioning percentages except for the percentage of alcohol

> used to tincture the plant.

> 

> Any professional herbalist you ask will tell you that the concept of standards

> is ridiculous. Since when do plants grow the same size in two different spots?

> In two different years? In two different stands? Same for color of flower, taste

> of leaf, constituents of root, scent of the oil.

> So, since when can anybody control the constituents of plants? If we talk pure

> constituents we're not talking herbs, we're talking pharmacy. And that's

> off-topic for this newsgroup - try misc.health.alternative for that kind of

> posting.

> 

> Grow something for one thing and lose the rest of it; just check out commercial

> American apples, grown for looks, taste like juicy cardboard.

> 

> Hypericum works because of the sum of its constituents. Hypericin has been hown

> do do nothing at all for depression when pure enough. A steady hypericin

> percentage doesn't tell you anything whatsoever about the rest of the

> constituents

> 

> Now would you folks please stop hyping standardized SJW on this newsgroup?

> 

> Much obliged.

> Henriette

> 

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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On Thu, 07 May 1998 19:42:24 +0100, Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>Fire and brimstone Henriette!

>

>Respect the passion but .....

>

>Why is your tincture any better than a so called standardized extract. 

>A tincture is still an extract.  Do you know for sure exactly what you

>are disolving out in the alcohol? 

<snip>

>I think it's worth remembering that hypericin is the *marker* that the

>producers measure (by hplc or spectrophotometric methods) to standardize

>the extract.  But it is not the only ingredient.

<snip>



Sorry, but I have to side with Nick here out of experience. I have

used several different preparations of SJW, from homeopathic tablets

to tincture, in treating my depression. The other preps are good, but

the effects are nowhere near as "stabilizing" as the results I have

experienced with the "standardized extract". IOW, the others helped,

but it still left that little "edge" on the depression. That place

that you get to, where you are feeling *almost* normal. But you are

left with the feeling that, if something really, really stressful were

to happen, you just might not be able to handle it. This does not

happen to me with the "standardized extract, .03% hypericin, 900mg per

day".

Perhaps the other preps would be fine for treating occasional mild

depressive episodes. But I have suffered from disthymia for what I,

and my doctors, believe has been my entire life. My earliest memory of

hurting so bad that I wished I would just die, was at the tender age

of 3. This is not a story of a disfunctional family, with cause and

effect for such an occurance. What I am talking about is life's

ordinary ups and downs. I was born this way, without the mechanisms to

deal with something like my sister leaving for her first day of

school. 

So, in a case like mine, I really notice the benefits of that steady,

standardized dosage. It is the stabilizing element in my life. It

brought me back from the worst depression I had ever suffered, 17 mos.

ago, and it keeps me on an even keel from day to day. 

That is my personal experience with the differences between

preparations. The ones who sell the standardized stuff may well be

biased. But I don't sell it and I am definitely biased on this

subject. From personal experience, there is a difference.



JMHO,

GCM







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From violin@pop.a001.sprintmail.com Wed May 06 06:39:19 1998

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From: Elizabeth <violin@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>

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Hi!



I am a violinist, and I have a "violin mark" on my neck, which also is

an acne area.  I also have acne on my face, but since I have gotten

older (early thirtes), it has diminished some, and is now mainly

concentrated on my chin.  I don't want to take antibiotics for this

condition, so does anyone have an herbal recommendation?  I have all

ready tried tea tree oil topically, with little success.  Now that I am

getting older, I am really starting to get worried about my "violin

mark" being infected all the time.  Unfortunately, the doctor says the

only way to help it, is to not play anymore, but this is impossible for

my, since I am a full time musician.  I heard that if you have an area

on your body that never heals, it can be prone to cancer.  Also, when it

is hot out, and I go in the sun, somehow the acne gets a LOT worse.



  Any help would be greatly appreciated!



Elizabeth



violin@sprintmail.com



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Elizabeth wrote in message <354FDB67.1113@pop.a001.sprintmail.com>...

>Hi!

>

>I am a violinist, and I have a "violin mark" on my neck, which also is

>an acne area.  I also have acne on my face, but since I have gotten

>older (early thirtes), it has diminished some, and is now mainly

>concentrated on my chin.  I don't want to take antibiotics for this

>condition, so does anyone have an herbal recommendation?  I have all

>ready tried tea tree oil topically, with little success.  Now that I am

>getting older, I am really starting to get worried about my "violin

>mark" being infected all the time.  Unfortunately, the doctor says the

>only way to help it, is to not play anymore, but this is impossible for

>my, since I am a full time musician.  I heard that if you have an area

>on your body that never heals, it can be prone to cancer.  Also, when it

>is hot out, and I go in the sun, somehow the acne gets a LOT worse.

>

>  Any help would be greatly appreciated!

>

>Elizabeth

>

>violin@sprintmail.com



I don't know of any herbs, though I'm told witch hazel can help. However, I

know that i used to have HORRIBLE acne, I was one of those people with a

bright red face who you pitied...I started using CLinique products, now I

use Philosophy's "On a Clear Day" face wash in the morning (has camphor in

it, smells GREAT), Clinique's mildest facial soap at night, Clinique's

Clarifying Lotion day and night, Clinique's Definately Different Moisturizer

during the day (or Moisture in Control), and Turnaround Cream at night (also

Clinique). A month's worth of this stuff prolly costs about $15 a month

(everything lasts more than a month and runs out at different times, my

Turnaround Cream has lasted me over a year, same for moisturizer)...I never

did have much luck with the cheap crap at the grocery store, I guess you do

have to pay for quality. I know that if you go to a Philosophy counter

(bigger Nordstroms here have them), you can get samples (about a week's

worth) of everything they sell. Good stuff, yummy smelling, a bit less

expensive than Clinique (On a Clear Day lasts a few months and costed me

$13)...



Jenn

audacity@teleport.com

free recipes: http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/9559/









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What worked for me was to really increase my H20 and to drink LOTS of

burdock/dandelion root tea! Makes ya urinate alot but it really helped.And tell

your Doctor to take a hike ---- Quit playing the violin????? Shame on that

Doctor!!! 



As we women get older, hormonal changes occur and thus for me, the

acne--usually on my neck.I wish you the best of luck and do not give up that

wonderful violin.



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Acne is a phenomenon whereby insufficient drainage of sebum ("skin oil")

through the pores of the skin, results in sub-surface skin being saturated

with sebum. The stretching of the skin makes it vulnerable to

micro-bruising which kills some cells. The natural body response is to

rush blood to the site so that the dead cells can be carted away. This is

called inflammation. Inflammation from this cause is called a pimple.



The fundamental way to solve the problem, is to start using a soap which

is a very good solvent of sebum. For a free sample, send me your

UPS_deliverable shipping address.

--

Alan Horowitz  alanh@widomaker.com



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Elizabeth <violin@pop.a001.sprintmail.com> wrote:

>Hi!

>

>I am a violinist, and I have a "violin mark" on my neck, which also is

>an acne area.  I also have acne on my face, but since I have gotten

>older (early thirtes), it has diminished some, and is now mainly

>concentrated on my chin.  I don't want to take antibiotics for this

>condition, so does anyone have an herbal recommendation?  I have all



Sounds to me like you need to use a disinfectant on the parts of

the violin that come in contact with your neck and chin.  Wiping

down the chin rest with alcohol or benzalkonium chloride might

help.



On your chin and neck, use a very mild soap or very mild cleanser like

Cetaphil cleanser, and wash gently.  Don't scrub areas with broken skin.

At night dab hydrogen peroxide lightly on blemished areas (don't use

preparations containing alcohol).  Drink plenty of water, as your skin

needs plenty of water to flush itself.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."



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Any one heard of bucho?



T







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In article <6ioped$k3e$1@arctic.discover.net>, "Caladin" <?@iname.com> wrote:



>Any one heard of bucho?

>

There is an herb from South Africa called "buchu". If that is what you are

referring to, it is a small shrubby plant that the leaves are used for

stomach and bladder problems. (Diosma betulina) It was introduced into

Great Britain in the early 1800's for use as a remedy for cystitis,

urethritis and catarrh of the bladder, and as a stimulant tonic.



-- 

Don't let differences overshadow things that you have in common.



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My wife took a mexican wild yam capsule and told me they had a sedative effect.

 I took one and she was right.  For a short period I had what felt like mild

electric shocks here and there and slept for about 3 or 4 hours but, was

moderately sedated for the following day.  Any similar effects by others or any

ideas as to the effects described?



Thanks



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Are ginseng and ginko bilboa the same thing? They seem to have the same

effects. If not, then whats the difference between them?





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On 6 May 1998 12:49:22 GMT, "Todd" <TravM@prodigy.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Are ginseng and ginko bilboa the same thing? They seem to have the same

>effects. If not, then whats the difference between them?



Ginseng (Panax ginseng), American ginseng (Panax quinquefolium) and a couple of

other Panaxes are members of the Araliaceae family, small perennials.



Ginkgo (Ginkgo biloba) is a member of the Ginkgoaceae family, a tree that's not

known to be growing wild anywhere; it has been planted extensively as an

ornamental all over the world.



Ginseng produces berries, ginkgo produces smelly nuts.



Hmmmm ... willow bark (Salix) and meadowsweet (Filipendula) seem to have the

same effects, are they the same plant?

Hmmmm ... black currants and black berries have the same color - are they the

same plant?

Hmmmm ... cherries and apples have similar spectacular flower shows. Are they

the same plant?



Happy to help

Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

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Henriette Kress wrote in message <3550fee4.1300074@news.theriver.com>...

>Ginseng produces berries, ginkgo produces smelly nuts.





The fruit (fleshy covering) is smelly, not the "nuts".  The kernels are

actually used as food, and have reputed medicinal powers (esp. for the

lungs).



-Rich









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Don't know where you got that idea.  Ginseng is primarily used as an

adaptogen, to increase the body's ability to deal with environmental stress.

Ginko is used to increase circulation, especially to the brain.  Ginseng is

a low-growing herbaceous woodland plant, ginko is a tree.  The part used of

ginseng is a root; of ginko it is the leaves.  They couldn't be more

different!



-Rich



Todd wrote in message <01bd78ec$d1326e00$6f2973cf@default>...

>Are ginseng and ginko bilboa the same thing? They seem to have the same

>effects. If not, then whats the difference between them?

>







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>Are ginseng and ginko bilboa the same thing? They seem to have the same

>effects. If not, then whats the difference between them?



I was taking Siberian Ginseng and was still drinking two cups of coffee daily

for about a month and I nearly went insane.  I found out that apparently, SG

and caffeine together will make you stressed to your breaking point (and how!)



Right now I'm taking SJW and Ginko Biloba.  I haven't heard anything about the

adverse effects of mixing caffeine and these two.  Has anyone else?  



PS Yes, I'm trying to give up the java.



Thanks for your help!  :-)



~daniele

Flux

*****



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On Wed, 13 May 1998 00:44:23 -0400, michael brown <mbrown@kih.net> wrote:

> Flux013 wrote:

> > 

> > >Are ginseng and ginko bilboa the same thing? They seem to have the same

> > >effects. If not, then whats the difference between them?

> > 

> > I was taking Siberian Ginseng and was still drinking two cups of coffee daily

> > for about a month and I nearly went insane.  I found out that apparently, SG

> > and caffeine together will make you stressed to your breaking point (and how!)

> > 

> > Right now I'm taking SJW and Ginko Biloba.  I haven't heard anything about the

> > adverse effects of mixing caffeine and these two.  Has anyone else?

> > 

> > PS Yes, I'm trying to give up the java.

> > 

> > Thanks for your help!  :-)

> > 

> > ~daniele

> > Flux

> > *****



"Siberian Ginseng" is not ginseng. The proper term is "Eleuthro",

as in I was taking Eleuthro. It is not even in the ginseng 

family. However, I've never heard of any problems with Eleuthro 

and caffeine so I doubt thats the problem unless you have an

allergy to one of them.



And ginseng and ginko are DEFINITELY not the same thing. They 

have totally different properties. 



I would suggest that you read up on the various medicinal herbs 

before you start taking them. Our web pages have an excellent 

starter on ginseng and echinacea, and there are many websites 

good information.



The main page for ginseng information on our site is 

http://www.ginseng.ca/gi02000.htm







Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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bgies@ginseng.ca wrote in message <6jcacg$u54$1@orthanc.reference.com>...

>"Siberian Ginseng" is not ginseng. The proper term is "Eleuthro",

>as in I was taking Eleuthro. It is not even in the ginseng

>family.



Umm...yes it is.  That's Araliaceae, sometimes called the Ginseng family,

which also includes American Spikenard, a couple of plants (incorrectly)

called sarsasparilla, and other herbs and woody shrubs and small trees, some

of which are also used as ornamentals, and many of which have reputations

among the native populations as blood purifiers and tonics.



-Rich









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Anyone use this?  It's been recommended to me, and I want some

opinions on it, if possible!  It has ginseng, bee pollen, cayenne pepper,

and ginger...



Thanks!





:o)

Robin

(aka Ma Vinci)



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Subject: Vinegar & Honey brew was Re: Pain

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David,

Just curious, where did you get the vinegar, honey, hot water recipe?  I have

sinus problems, esp. in the winter...I can understand how the hot fluids

help...how does the honey and vinegar help?  BTW, how gross does it taste?

Can you conbime something, like mint to kill the taste?

Thanks

June

BTW, sorry if this ends up posted twice, didn't seem to get received the first

time...



David Poxon wrote:



> Hi,

> Am not sure about garlic cloves but if you rub apple cider vinegar on

> the sore gum this will help relieve the pain. Also as a wonderful

> on-going way to strengthen the immunity system, put a teaspoon of apple

> cider vinegar and a teaspoon of honey into a cup of boiling water and

> drink every day. Have been taking this for years and my sinus trouble

> has improved wonderfully and I never get winter colds anymore.

> Dave









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Ive takena  mixture of  app cider vinegar and honey straight several times in

my life to help with sore throats



Im not sure abt the atributes of the vinegar



I know honey is a natural antibiotic 



but I can tell you it worked !!! every time





Jia



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HOLLIDAY wrote in message <35507E14.D4E2F5A6@nep.net>...

>David,

>Just curious, where did you get the vinegar, honey, hot water recipe?  I

have

>sinus problems, esp. in the winter...I can understand how the hot fluids

>help...how does the honey and vinegar help?  BTW, how gross does it taste?

>Can you conbime something, like mint to kill the taste?

>Thanks

>June





June, ever hear of sweet and sour?  Vinegar and honey are combined in many

salad dressings (including poppy seed dressing, one of my favorites) and the

same ingredients are used in many marinade and barbeque recipes, so you may

be able to choke it down without too much doctoring (no pun intended).





-Rich









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Please point me towards articles on the problems of milk consumption.

(I have already found Dr. Weil's web page on  milk.)  

God Bless!





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On 6 May 1998, phokt@primenet.com (Wigwam Outlet Stores) wrote:



>Please point me towards articles on the problems of milk consumption.

>(I have already found Dr. Weil's web page on  milk.)  



Check out:



  The No Milk Page:           http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/



Don (at panix com).



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Wigwam Outlet Stores wrote:

> 

> Please point me towards articles on the problems of milk consumption.

> (I have already found Dr. Weil's web page on  milk.)

> God Bless!







Try this one:



http://www.notmilk.com/



Fidget



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Anyone know of something that can help with the

cornea?  Apparently there are layers to the cornea

and they can get water or something between the

layers, like bubbles, that start separating those

layers, making the vision blurry.  Thanks in

advance for any info.





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"Dennis" <varnuke@sprintmail.com> wrote:



>Anyone know of something that can help with the

>cornea?  Apparently there are layers to the cornea

>and they can get water or something between the

>layers, like bubbles, that start separating those

>layers, making the vision blurry. 

  Dennis - 

Get to a GOOD opthalmologist NOW!  It's a serious condition and

blindness is the usual outcome.  



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Hi,



I am looking for an exact nutritional breakdown of bee pollen.

Can anyone tell me where I can find this info?



Thanks,

Chris



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Does anybody know of anything that would give the same effect as pain

killers without the narcotic? (vicoden)

Thanks.



chris@ieee.org wrote:



> Hi,

>

> I am looking for an exact nutritional breakdown of bee pollen.

> Can anyone tell me where I can find this info?

>

> Thanks,

> Chris

>

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Besides being an immune stimulant, it relieves pain and inflammation.



Luvdove6 wrote in message

<1998050518323300.OAA27480@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Cat's Claw is good for warding off sickness and all..   you can also find

it

>under "Una de Gato"   but I was wondering why you heard it treats Carpel

>Tunnel???

>~Luvdove6~

>

>luvdove6@aol.com

>http://members.wbs.net/homepages/s/h/a/shapeshift.html







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> Carol, are you a trained herbalist? If not, how do you know?<BR>

><BR>

>***How many trained herbalists are on this list?  How are they trained

>and<BR>

>are they certified?  If so why don't they post their cert. numbers and<BR>

>state certified in?<BR>

<BR>

<BR>

That's a little disingenuous, Carol.  "Herbalist" is not something that is

licensed and certified by the state.  That doesn't mean that an herbalist isn't

educated, or doesn't have something to offer.  It DOES mean that "buyer beware"

applies and people have to take the personal responsibility (two words often

spoken but seldom understood) to do their own research to protect themselves

from the unscrupulous and charlatan.<BR>

<BR>

Just because we don't certify and license people to be parents doesn't mean

that there aren't good parents out there.  There are also some really bad

parents out there.  Likewise in many areas of knowledge.  Just because someone

isn't stamped "approved" by a government agency doesn't mean they aren't

knowledgable.

<BR>

><BR>

>Do you know that  many prescription drugs are synthesized copies of herbal<BR>

>> remedies? <BR>

><BR>

>***That's no secret - but why are herbs so much more expensive then? <BR>

>> <BR>

<BR>

They aren't always.  Partly this is because herbs are "trendy" right now, and

partly because many ignorant people believe that a higher price means better

quality.  I do have a few herbal remedies that I use and because I use some

forethought in buying them they actually cost me much less than "real" 

medicines.<BR>

<BR>

Let me qualify that - my insurance company covers much of the cost of my

presciptions when I need them, so by those terms herbs ARE more expensive.  But

when you add in the TOTAL cost of the drug herbs are less expensive in quite a

few instances.<BR>

<BR>

Also, most of my herb use is in place of OTC medicines and for minor and

transient conditions (like, they won't cure my cold but they'll make me feel

more comfortable while I wait for my body to get rid of the virus).  Again, you

can pay either a lot or a little depending on whether you bother to do research

and shopping or just take the first thing off the shelf when you walk in the

door of some trendy boutique.<BR>

<BR>



>> You don't seem very bright. Maybe you should at least try to<BR>

>> support your arguments better. Then you might have some<BR>

>> credibility.<BR>

><BR>

>***That can take to much time.  I seldom see anyone supporting expensive<BR>

>supplements and herbs with anything but testimonials.  Don't judge

>anothers<BR>

>IQ/education over the net - it's not possible unless you're a psychic.<BR>

>> <BR>

<BR>

Actually, I *am* psychic and I still can't tell a person's education or IQ over

the net.  Don't believe everything you read, that's the best course.<BR>

<BR>

>---Broomstick---



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This argument is goofy.  Standardization is the only possible method of validating

and verifying any medical claim.  The very reason for standardization of composition

is to take into consideration that extracts from various sources will not likely be

identical, and the active component should be of  fairly uniform dosage to produce

the desired reproducible effects.



It may seem that examining herbal preparations via methodical science rubs the

feathers of the "good herbalist" the wrong way, but without some form of proof

(which mandates clinical data), herbal and folk remedies may only be deemed faith

medicine.



Heck, I'm all for finding new uses for known plants and for finding out more about

the undiscovered, but reading over the health claims of the new breed of

self-proclaimed herbalists is just amazing fantasy.



We have a host of herbal-centric folks here, and it is amazing what can be done with

the fad herbs, from curing depression to fostering weight loss to helping the brain

use oxygen better.  It seems like it comes down to people just want to take a pill

to cure them of what ails them, or if they don't trust a pill shape, they swallow

the latest herbal discovery; isn't it fundamentally the same thing?



To really make progress in medicine and for the overall well-being of everyone, we

should embrace science and analysis, to find out what works and what doesn't, and

why.  Thousands of so called modern medicines are little more than standardized

plant derivatives, and thousands more are synthetic versions of plant constituents.

Is the whole herb better than the single constituent?  Often the answer is no,

especially since plants often produce components which produce antagonistic

physiological effects, and because the whole plant tends to have variable

compositions of components, even from individual plant to plant.  Are

single-component preparations the whole answer?  Again, not in all cases.

Notwithstanding the overall lack of trust a lot of people place in the large drug

companies, it is conceivable the active components are more effective in conjunction

or in tandem, and besides, a good ol' homeopathic placebo is comforting from time to

time ( I got used to herbal teas a while ago).  Now that universities and companies

are endeavoring to validate herbal remedies, we should encourage the effort.



We apparently do have some pull with the drug companies: the primary reason for them

to look into herbal preparations is that people are making a demand for them.

However, government regulations require legitimate operations to prove the value of

the product before it is approved for sale.  With this in mind it is safe to assume

that if the label on a bottle of your favorite compressed herb tablet or extract

says it is a "dietary supplement", chances are it is just a minor source of fiber,

an icky tasting squirt of a plant extract, or nothing at all.  Sure, these herb

companies make glowing if somewhat vague and indistinct claims, but when it comes

down to the real analysis, it is just a matter of marketing.



I guess it is like vitamins and other nutritional supplements.  It has been shown

time and time again, with tens of thousands of subjects, over many lifetimes, that

vitamins and nutritional supplements are completely unnecessary for nearly all

people in developed countries, as expanded dietary availability and choice provides

all the vitamins, minerals and nutrients people need ( medical conditions i.e.,

pregnancy, et al, aside).  However, the supplement industry was more than a billion

dollars strong last year, with sales far exceeding actual need.  My point is this:

the herbal preparations industry is also getting huge, and relies on the same belief

structure by the consumers.  There is no validity whatsoever to the claim we would

be better off without "western" medicine--the lifespan of well nourished

civilizations in pre-western-medicine history seldom exceeded the late forties.  For

that matter, don't get me started on "eastern" medicine, which still expouses

medical benefits from eating dung and rhinocerous horn (hair).   There really is no

conspiracy to keep herbal medicines from consumers; in general, the herbal cures are

not generally clinically valid.  Lets keep the pressure on to keep looking at plants

and herbs, but taking matters into the hands of self professed herbalist authorities

may not be the most wise course of action.  Also, taking medical advice over the

internet is an unsound

practice, and no reputable practictioner would offer such without a personal visit

or consultation.  To do otherwise is dangerous and perilous.



Anyway, be careful out there and use your medicinal herbs carefully and prudently.



(And use those culinary herbs all of the time!  David S. is right: Life is a matter

of taste!)



Dale



(yes, it has been some time since I stirred up the group, but for better or worse

I'm back from the field for a while)



dww







Henriette Kress wrote:



> On 06 May 1998 03:18:10 GMT, mavinci2@aol.com (MaVinci2) wrote in

> alt.folklore.herbs:

>

> >A "standardized concentration" of 0.3% hypericin is the level

> >used in the study done by Dr. Harold Bloomberg in his book

> >HYPERICUM AND DEPRESSION (this is on the web in its

> >entirety at www.hypericum.com, btw)  Alcohol extraction is the preferred

> >method, 300mg 3 times per day is the recommended starting dose.

>

> No. Ask any good herbalist. Their preferred form of St.John's wort will be a

> tincture of the whole fresh or dried flowers; next come tincture of fresh or

> dried flowering tops, next come tincture of fresh or dried plant.

> If you are talking about 300 mg you are not talking about Hypericum, you are

> talking about hypericin, one single constituent of the plant. That is not

> St.John's wort. You talk St.John's wort when you count squirts out of the

> dropper bottle, not mentioning percentages except for the percentage of alcohol

> used to tincture the plant.

>

> Any professional herbalist you ask will tell you that the concept of standards

> is ridiculous. Since when do plants grow the same size in two different spots?

> In two different years? In two different stands? Same for color of flower, taste

> of leaf, constituents of root, scent of the oil.

> So, since when can anybody control the constituents of plants? If we talk pure

> constituents we're not talking herbs, we're talking pharmacy. And that's

> off-topic for this newsgroup - try misc.health.alternative for that kind of

> posting.

>

> Grow something for one thing and lose the rest of it; just check out commercial

> American apples, grown for looks, taste like juicy cardboard.

>

> Hypericum works because of the sum of its constituents. Hypericin has been hown

> do do nothing at all for depression when pure enough. A steady hypericin

> percentage doesn't tell you anything whatsoever about the rest of the

> constituents

>

> Now would you folks please stop hyping standardized SJW on this newsgroup?

>

> Much obliged.

> Henriette

>

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







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On Thu, 07 May 1998 01:25:52 -0400, Dale Woika <dalew@lazerlink.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>To really make progress in medicine and for the overall well-being of everyone, we

>should embrace science and analysis, to find out what works and what doesn't, and



Sure, you're right. Problem is, science only touches single constituents of

plants (these can be further developed and patented, or perhaps even patented as

is), and usually you'll find that this 'valid' scientific research is done on

rats, mice, frogs (!), and glass jars. That doesn't tell us too much about the

use of whole herbs (as we pick in our back yards, or gardens) on human beings. 



Remedy that, and I'll embrace any scientific research you give me. Until then

I'll go with the use of whole plants on humans. None of this standardization

stuff - it's just yet another marketing trick; instead of going with the current

fad (standardization) you should find a quality supplier and stick with him/her.

How do you find a quality supplier? Piece of cake. You only need to pick one

herb and make one tincture out of it yourself. Then you shop around and compare

that to what you can buy. Or you pick one herb and dry it, and then you shop

around and compare that to what you can buy.



Did you know that out of 17 ginseng preparations tested at the U of Helsinki a

couple of years back, only 2 showed traces of ginsenosides? Hmmm...

standardization or labels really are no guarantee for good herbs.



Cheers

Henriette



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Dale Woika wrote in message <355145E0.E3E4C9CE@lazerlink.com>...

>This argument is goofy.  Standardization is the only possible method of

validating

>and verifying any medical claim.  < snip > It may seem that examining

herbal preparations via methodical science rubs the

>feathers of the "good herbalist" the wrong way, but without some form of

proof

>(which mandates clinical data), herbal and folk remedies may only be deemed

faith

>medicine.



Fine, then let them do this for those who insist on meaningless double blind

studies, but sell the whole herb for people to use.



>

>  < snip >



>.  Thousands of so called modern medicines are little more than

standardized

>plant derivatives, and thousands more are synthetic versions of plant

constituents.



And this is exactly why, over time, microbes become antibiotic resistant,

patients require higher and higher doses of medicines they take long term,

and there are such terrible side-effects for which Drs. prescribe yet more

drugs.



>Is the whole herb better than the single constituent?  Often the answer is

no,

>especially since plants often produce components which produce antagonistic

>physiological effects, and because the whole plant tends to have variable

>compositions of components, even from individual plant to plant.   < snip >



Having antagonistic effects is exactly what makes herbs safe to take and

virtually free of side-effects.  The herbs are naturally balanced; drugs are

not.



Variable componenets is exactly what prevents microbes from developing a

resistance to the herbs.  It is also best, whenever possible, to take an

herb grown in the same area of the country as you are in.  Thus it will have

been exposed to the same climate and environmental contitions that you are.



>We apparently do have some pull with the drug companies: the primary reason

for them

>to look into herbal preparations is that people are making a demand for

them.

>However, government regulations require legitimate operations to prove the

value of

>the product before it is approved for sale.  With this in mind it is safe

to assume

>that if the label on a bottle of your favorite compressed herb tablet or

extract

>says it is a "dietary supplement", chances are it is just a minor source of

fiber,

>an icky tasting squirt of a plant extract, or nothing at all.

          < snip >

I agree that if people are going to buy prepackaged herbal products, we need

some way of ensuring that companies use the best quality herbs available

(hopefully organic), that they put in the amount that they claim, and that

tinctures are propperly made so as too be potent.  But, we already have laws

that ensure content, and I think good consummerism is the way to enforce

quality.  As you say, our buying habits give us a great deal a "pull" with

companies.



>Anyway, be careful out there and use your medicinal herbs carefully and

prudently.





 >(And use those culinary herbs all of the time!  David S. is right: Life is

a matter

>of taste!)

>

>Dale

>

>(yes, it has been some time since I stirred up the group, but for better or

worse

>I'm back from the field for a while)

>

>dww

>

>

>

>Henriette Kress wrote:

>

>> On 06 May 1998 03:18:10 GMT, mavinci2@aol.com (MaVinci2) wrote in

>> alt.folklore.herbs:

>>

>> >A "standardized concentration" of 0.3% hypericin is the level

>> >used in the study done by Dr. Harold Bloomberg in his book

>> >HYPERICUM AND DEPRESSION (this is on the web in its

>> >entirety at www.hypericum.com, btw)  Alcohol extraction is the preferred

>> >method, 300mg 3 times per day is the recommended starting dose.

>>

>> No. Ask any good herbalist. Their preferred form of St.John's wort will

be a

>> tincture of the whole fresh or dried flowers; next come tincture of fresh

or

>> dried flowering tops, next come tincture of fresh or dried plant.

>> If you are talking about 300 mg you are not talking about Hypericum, you

are

>> talking about hypericin, one single constituent of the plant. That is not

>> St.John's wort. You talk St.John's wort when you count squirts out of the

>> dropper bottle, not mentioning percentages except for the percentage of

alcohol

>> used to tincture the plant.

>>

>> Any professional herbalist you ask will tell you that the concept of

standards

>> is ridiculous. Since when do plants grow the same size in two different

spots?

>> In two different years? In two different stands? Same for color of

flower, taste

>> of leaf, constituents of root, scent of the oil.

>> So, since when can anybody control the constituents of plants? If we talk

pure

>> constituents we're not talking herbs, we're talking pharmacy. And that's

>> off-topic for this newsgroup - try misc.health.alternative for that kind

of

>> posting.

>>

>> Grow something for one thing and lose the rest of it; just check out

commercial

>> American apples, grown for looks, taste like juicy cardboard.

>>

>> Hypericum works because of the sum of its constituents. Hypericin has

been hown

>> do do nothing at all for depression when pure enough. A steady hypericin

>> percentage doesn't tell you anything whatsoever about the rest of the

>> constituents

>>

>> Now would you folks please stop hyping standardized SJW on this

newsgroup?

>>

>> Much obliged.

>> Henriette

>>

>> --

>> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

>> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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>

>

>







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I agree with Henriette.  SJW is best tinctured from fresh flowering tops.  I

will go further and say fresh flowering tops havrvested in a "good way" ie

ethically and with good intention.  Preferably by the person who will use

the medicine or by someone close to this person.   There is karma involved.



When we start to worry about standardized percentage etc. we are no better

from the allopaths.



Green Blessings,

Ingrid







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ma pickle wrote:



> I agree with Henriette.  SJW is best tinctured from fresh flowering tops.  I

> will go further and say fresh flowering tops havrvested in a "good way" ie

> ethically and with good intention.  Preferably by the person who will use

> the medicine or by someone close to this person.   There is karma involved.

>



Exactly!!



So what we all need to do for our herbal needs is to either do our own tincture

making, or find someone who will use the 'good ways' to trade with.



Yes, I make my own tinctures.  Yes, I trade them where appropriate.  No, I will

not sell them so do not bother contacting me, or acuse me of spamming the group.



There are a lot of ethical companies that make herbal tinctures.  You can

usually find them at the owner operated health food / supplement stores.  They

usually don't have fancy labels or inflated prices.  I've never seen any

reference to 'standardization' in regards to their products.



As was said before, every plant is different, every season is different, and

just like a fine wine, the product will vary from year to year and field to

field.



This is another reason it is so very important to know your own body and pay

attention to how the various herbs react with you.  Also, why you should dose

low and increase as necessary.  Educate yourself about the herbs before you

start taking them.  Don't buy into the advertising hype and believe that this

years' featured herb will cure all your ills.



> When we start to worry about standardized percentage etc. we are no better

> from the allopaths.

>

> Green Blessings,

> Ingrid



 And no different from the allopaths either.  We are not standardized bodies,

why would we need a standardized herb?



Herbs are powerful, we probably wouldn't bother using them if they weren't.



Deb

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Dale, 



The problem with standardized extracts is that sometimes we don't know

what constituent in the plant is the active one.  We just know it works.

For instance, there have been multiple studies in Europe that *prove* that

St. John's Wort works for cases of mild and moderate depression with

*less* side effect than other allopathic drugs.  So, we, as a western

culture jumped on the "isolated constituents" bandwagon to see how it

worked.  They came up with Hypericin as the active ingredient.

Guess what? Hypericin has now been proven to have no effect on depression.

Truth is, they don't know how it works, but in the whole plant form it

does.  It has been *scientifically* proven in double blind trials, etc.

That is just one example.  



Where do you get the information to back up your claims that taking the

whole plant results in physiological and psychological effects?  Sure,

there are some plants that will have side effects, but not nearly as close

to as many plants will give you side effects compared to drugs synthesized

by the pharmacists in this country.  Every prescription you take has a

sticker on it saying "may cause...."  25% of all people in the hospital

are accidentally put there by their own doctors prescribing drugs with

contra-indicated side effects.  It is very rare that any herbalist with

some knowledge could cause that situation to occur.  Universities are now

graduating doctorates in Pharmacology to work in pharmacies to assess

whether or not the doctor is prescribing the wrong meds or meds with

contra-indicated side effects to hopefully prevent these things from

happening. They should have been prevented by the doctors in the

first place.



When one isolates a constituent and synthesizes it, it not only increases

the side effects, it also reduces the margin for error in prescribing.

These medicines are dramatic and taken out of the context that nature

intended them to be used in.  Relatively few plants can cause physological

harm taken in therapeutic quantities unless there is an allergic reaction,

and people usually know if they have allergies that severe.



I am all for not believing everything you read on the internet, and any

informed person will do their research before following random advice.

Including advice from an allopathic doctor.  Have you done your research,

or do you just like to stir up trouble?



Regards,

Emily

Student of Herbal Medicine





 





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Emily, et al,



I merely wish to point out that in order to have an effective medicinal tool

with any degree of credibility, it is necessary to standardize the dose of any

given drug.  In sofar as herbs are concerned, standardization is usually done

by extraction and measurement of the amount of an active component or two from

that plant material, which lends some information as to the relative potency

of that "batch" of herbs.  Obviously, not all of the sample is tested (it is

consumed in testing), but hopefully the sample will be representative of the

whole.  It is important for the "students of herbal medicine" out there to

realize that the active components of plants can be extremely variable from

site to site and even from one plant to the next, which may make dosing

somewhat haphazard for folks not equipped with a mass spectrometer, gas

chromatograph and other analytic equipment, especially with some of the more

physiologically active components.



Consider a few well known examples.  The oriental poppy is a source of a host

of physiologically active components which vary in specimens from site to site

and from region to region.  The principle actions of the individual active

compontents (mostly papaver alkaloids) tend to be complementary and are mostly

CNS depressants.  However, the tropane alkaloids in the Solanaceae family

(Atropa, Datura, etc.) vary from site to site, from time of season, and by

environmental factors.  To complicate matters, the active components have

antagonistic effects, with some physiologic actions being depressant,

stimulant, complimentary, synergistic--all at the same time!  While certain

components have important legitimate medical use, the use of the whole plant

is at best unpredictable, and at worst, well, unnecessarily foolish.  There is

really no way, short of standardization and clinical trials, that any

preparation should be used or reccommended for medicinal use.



It has been mentioned that the whole herb is the way "nature intended the

plant to be used", but nature provided most of the phsiologically active

components in plants as a means of discouraging their harvest and consumption

by animals--it is apparent that the "drug" components in plants are there as

toxins or evolutionary plant defenses against foraging.  The components

produce an effect on us which we may desire, but it does not seem likely that

alkaloids, glycosides, saponins and other medicinal components provide much in

the way of nutrition or metabolic necessity.



Are some plant preparations essentially harmless?  Sure.  I would wager that

most of the herbs "prescribed" by  folk medicine have very little effects

whatsoever, and fall into the field of homeopathic dosing, which may actually

have some merit in the long run.  My point is that dabbling in medicinal drugs

is essentially dangerous, and prescription over the internet is a precarious

practice from a safety and liability standpoint.



If any given medication works, you can bet the drug companies will rush to

place it into production, and this includes "herbal" preparations.  It is

naive to believe there are not millions of dollars spent each year by

thousands of individuals all over the globe researching the components and

effects of herbal remedies, and clinical trials are being conducted with the

results.  Herbs and plant preparations are the number one source of medicines

throughout history, but there are far less side effects and much more

reproducible and predictable results when the cause and effects are standard

and are known.



Dale







Emily wrote:



> Dale,

>

> The problem with standardized extracts is that sometimes we don't know

> what constituent in the plant is the active one.  We just know it works.

> For instance, there have been multiple studies in Europe that *prove* that

> St. John's Wort works for cases of mild and moderate depression with

> *less* side effect than other allopathic drugs.  So, we, as a western

> culture jumped on the "isolated constituents" bandwagon to see how it

> worked.  They came up with Hypericin as the active ingredient.

> Guess what? Hypericin has now been proven to have no effect on depression.

> Truth is, they don't know how it works, but in the whole plant form it

> does.  It has been *scientifically* proven in double blind trials, etc.

> That is just one example.

>

> Where do you get the information to back up your claims that taking the

> whole plant results in physiological and psychological effects?  Sure,

> there are some plants that will have side effects, but not nearly as close

> to as many plants will give you side effects compared to drugs synthesized

> by the pharmacists in this country.  Every prescription you take has a

> sticker on it saying "may cause...."  25% of all people in the hospital

> are accidentally put there by their own doctors prescribing drugs with

> contra-indicated side effects.  It is very rare that any herbalist with

> some knowledge could cause that situation to occur.  Universities are now

> graduating doctorates in Pharmacology to work in pharmacies to assess

> whether or not the doctor is prescribing the wrong meds or meds with

> contra-indicated side effects to hopefully prevent these things from

> happening. They should have been prevented by the doctors in the

> first place.

>

> When one isolates a constituent and synthesizes it, it not only increases

> the side effects, it also reduces the margin for error in prescribing.

> These medicines are dramatic and taken out of the context that nature

> intended them to be used in.  Relatively few plants can cause physological

> harm taken in therapeutic quantities unless there is an allergic reaction,

> and people usually know if they have allergies that severe.

>

> I am all for not believing everything you read on the internet, and any

> informed person will do their research before following random advice.

> Including advice from an allopathic doctor.  Have you done your research,

> or do you just like to stir up trouble?

>

> Regards,

> Emily

> Student of Herbal Medicine

>







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Dale Woika wrote in message <3559FA0E.958C2F08@lazerlink.com>...

>I merely wish to point out that in order to have an effective medicinal

tool

>with any degree of credibility, it is necessary to standardize the dose of

any

>given drug.



I agree completely insofar as the more powerful herbs are concerned, and the

examples you use are instructive.  We seem to keep going back again and

again to the misconception that, just because peppermint, catnip, lemon

balm, etc. are harmless enough that there is no real need for quantifying

the dose (within reason, of course), there *are* a great number of

potentially dangerous herbs that the casual student may encounter in the

many herbals available today.  Standardization offers a tool which serious

users of medicinal herbs may use to 1) be sure they are actually getting

what they pay for, an effective dose, and 2) avoidance of overdose of herbs

with toxic effects.  Standardization does not mean one dose for everyone

regardless of their age, size, sensitivity, etc., as some would like to

imply.  Rather it is a means of ensuring that each time you use an herb you

will experience predictable, uniform results.



Standardization would even be of benefit for at least some of the non-toxic

herbs.  For instance, if you use senna or cascara for occasional

constipation, you might want to know that a) it will work, and conversely

that b) you will not be running to the bathroom all day with horrible cramps

and diarrhea.  I realize some of the more die-hard back-to-nature types may

find this an acceptable risk, but those of us who honestly wish to lessen

dependence on prescription drugs and increase the use of natural remedies

realize that standardization is one very valuable means for gaining wider

acceptance and use of herbs.



-Rich









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From: HealthyU@eeek.cwo.com (Janine)

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On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 00:44:51 -0400, "Wolf-Spider!"

<wolfspider@bigfoot.com> wrote:



Ok, I KNOW what will help because I also can't take the heat. It is

celery juice. I juice carrots and celery together and wah la! It

certainly helps regulate the heat. It's the sodium in the celery. 

Jazz up the juice when you get sick of that with lettuce, half a small

beet, [more generally tastes terrible]. I am growing lots of basil

this year..will probably put that in the juice also.



Janine

take out the eeek in the return mail



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take zinc







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From: c.a.sutton@bham.ac.uk (carol sutton)

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I have been taking feverfew (760mg feverfew capsules with leaf powder) for

migraine.  However I'm getting pins and needles in my arm and hand and I

was wondering is this a "side effect" to the feverfew or just coinsidence?



Carol



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Hey Carol,



Don't know about the feverfew but wanted to recommend a different approach to

your migraine problem.  The Excedrin web site has headache diaries that you

can print out to track your headaches to look for behavior or diet patterns

that may be contributing to your headache, they also have a listing of

headache triggers - http://www.Excedrin.com.  Wishing you relief from headache

pain, can you post the results from your use of feverfew?



Frank



In article <c.a.sutton-0705980913270001@med142.bham.ac.uk>,

  c.a.sutton@bham.ac.uk (carol sutton) wrote:

>

> I have been taking feverfew (760mg feverfew capsules with leaf powder) for

> migraine.  However I'm getting pins and needles in my arm and hand and I

> was wondering is this a "side effect" to the feverfew or just coinsidence?

>

> Carol

>





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Carol,

    Feverfew has been recommended for use in miagraine sufferers but the dose

that you are taking is extremely high.  The study done with feverfew found

that doses as low as 150mg a day wether fresh or powdered worked well and that

there was no substantial difference in relief found at higher levels.  They

also noted that in some of the test subjects that Feverfew could make the

headache worse.  Try backing down from the dose you are taking and see if the

pins and needles subside.  Also, track your headaches and make notes about how

many, how long they last, where the pain focuses and what the pain feels

like.  This may be of great help to your primary healthcare provider if it

becomes necessary to see a physician over your headaches.  I have had

miagraines for over 20 years and am learning more about them and their

treatment all the time.  Become proactive in your treatment and take heart

because more and more is being learned every day about how miagraines fork and

how to treat them

Blessing to you,

Amy M. (RN)



carol sutton wrote:



> I have been taking feverfew (760mg feverfew capsules with leaf powder) for

> migraine.  However I'm getting pins and needles in my arm and hand and I

> was wondering is this a "side effect" to the feverfew or just coinsidence?

>

> Carol









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From: "Lynnaea & Dr. Paradox" <MoonGlade@twlakes.Net>

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Amy Mumpower wrote:



> Carol,

>     Feverfew has been recommended for use in miagraine sufferers but the dose

> that you are taking is extremely high.  The study done with feverfew found

> that doses as low as 150mg a day wether fresh or powdered worked well and that

> there was no substantial difference in relief found at higher levels.



> carol sutton wrote:

>

> > I have been taking feverfew (760mg feverfew capsules with leaf powder) for

> > migraine.  However I'm getting pins and needles in my arm and hand and I

> > was wondering is this a "side effect" to the feverfew or just coinsidence?

> >

> > Carol



My herb teacher recommended to only take fresh feverfew for migraine, she says

about 1/2 of a leaf chewed up and put under the tongue for about 20 minutes will

give relief. Keep a pot of feverfew on your windowsill as a houseplant so it will

be handy. I agree 760mg is a large dose and in capsule form it does not give the

same effect as the way I take it. The fresh chewed leaf works for me when the

migraine is not too severe.



The best cure I have for a whopping migraine, is to take valerian tea, or the

extract in capsules if you cant tolerate the taste of the tea. I use 1 tablespoon

of cut root to each cup of hot water. After 2 cups of the tea I go to sleep,  wake

up about 3 hours later and feel OK again.



Lynnaea





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Lynnaea & Dr. Paradox wrote:

> 

> Amy Mumpower wrote:

> 

> > Carol,

> >     Feverfew has been recommended for use in miagraine sufferers but the dose

> > that you are taking is extremely high.  The study done with feverfew found

> > that doses as low as 150mg a day wether fresh or powdered worked well and that

> > there was no substantial difference in relief found at higher levels.

> 

> > carol sutton wrote:

> >

> > > I have been taking feverfew (760mg feverfew capsules with leaf powder) for

> > > migraine.  However I'm getting pins and needles in my arm and hand and I

> > > was wondering is this a "side effect" to the feverfew or just coinsidence?

> > >

> > > Carol

> 

> My herb teacher recommended to only take fresh feverfew for migraine, she says

> about 1/2 of a leaf chewed up and put under the tongue for about 20 minutes will

> give relief. Keep a pot of feverfew on your windowsill as a houseplant so it will

> be handy. I agree 760mg is a large dose and in capsule form it does not give the

> same effect as the way I take it. The fresh chewed leaf works for me when the

> migraine is not too severe.

> 

> The best cure I have for a whopping migraine, is to take valerian tea, or the

> extract in capsules if you cant tolerate the taste of the tea. I use 1 tablespoon

> of cut root to each cup of hot water. After 2 cups of the tea I go to sleep,  wake

> up about 3 hours later and feel OK again.

> 

> Lynnaea





--------



Surely 760mg of feverfew extract means nothing unless you know what it

is standardized for, ie you can't necessarily say it's a high dose - or

it could be a monster dose.  And isn't 150mg of fresh like just sniffing

the plant?



With a nod to the holists......   Parthenolides are the active here, no? 



Nick



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NIck,

    You are correct that pathenolides are the active  but I was simply refering to the

medical studies that had been conducted.  Depending on the plant and the amount of

active ingredient, 150mg may be enough.  The biggest result that the study found was

that if they removed people from feverfew who had been taking it on a regular basis, the

headaches returned with a vengence within 72 hours.  There are a lot of variables in the

medical study that were not mentioned like where they got the feverfew or whether it was

organic or not, and how the persons taking the fresh feverfew were taking it.  I guess

like most doctors of western medicine they think that all herbs are the same.



Nick wrote:



> Surely 760mg of feverfew extract means nothing unless you know what it

> is standardized for, ie you can't necessarily say it's a high dose - or

> it could be a monster dose.  And isn't 150mg of fresh like just sniffing

> the plant?

>

> With a nod to the holists......   Parthenolides are the active here, no?

>

> Nick









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Can anyone help me with (scientific) information about Cardiospermum ?

Thanks

Charles Wauters





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From: Emily <em@dev.null>

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greetings, I happen to know of a school in that offers a

B.S. in Herbal Medicine... It's the only one in this country that offers

such a degree.  It is called the American College of Integrated Medicine,

School of Phytotherapy, and is located at 10401 Montgomery Pkwy,

Albquerque, NM, 87111.  I am currently a student there and I love it!!

emily (no current email addy)





On Sun, 26 Apr 1998, nimah wrote:



> KyndThreds wrote in message

> <1998042518093500.OAA18695@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> >anyone who has any info on schools or internships for herbalism/holistic

> >healing/nutrition please email me thank u!!!!

> >sara :)

> 

> 

> I recently received a prospectus from the British Institute of Homeopathy

> and Complementary Medicine. Let me say that **I don't know anything about

> them except for what is in their prospectus.** They offer classes via home

> study for diplomas or certifications in several areas of homeopathy

> including things like: Veterinary Basics, general homeopathy, Pharmacy

> Basic, and several graduate courses as well as "clinical training with a

> homeopath of their choice upon approval of the director of the institute"

> Their address is:

> The British Institute of Homeopathy and Complementary Medicine

> 520 Washington Blvd., Suite 423

> Marina Del Rey, CA 90292

> 

> 

> 

> 





From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Thu May 07 17:39:41 1998

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From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

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Subject: Pain, was Re: Bee Pollen

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On Thu, 07 May 1998 09:04:19 -0700, chuck hermes <chermes@cts.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Does anybody know of anything that would give the same effect as pain

>killers without the narcotic? (vicoden)



That depends on the pain. Why are you in pain? Where? What kind, dull ache,

stabbing pain, constant, every now and then?



Henriette



--

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We do a chocolate festival every year and explain the origins, uses and myths

of chocolate. 



Most of our info was gathered from the garidelli chocolate company. They sent

samples of all stages of chocolate (beans to finished product). They sent

literature and referral sources to the chocolate producers association in

(where else) Hershey, Pa.



We learned some interesting facts.



The nestle choc you buy at the store is the 2nds of the peter nestle

manufacturing co. It wasn't good enough for the candie and truffle

manufacturing. 



Most of the candy bars you buy have a high level of parafin in them to

stabilize the chocolate melting point and the white "bloom" that chocolate

turns when it is melted.



There are no animal cholesteral parts in the cocoa beans but the vegetable

cholesteral isn't  the good one either. They play that part down.  There is

nutritional value in pure chocolate but when you add the sugar (white refines)

it cancels the benefits.  Better to look for unrefined sugars or unrefined

honey as sweetner.



Tootsie rolls were a mistake when created. Someone left the fudge on too long

with a honey base.  It got very hard and they didn't want to waste the

ingredients so they rolled them in sugar to use the ingredients up. Sold better

than the fudge and they spent years recreating the accident until the formula

was created.



chocolate is also an aphrodisiac. Started in the mayan times with their

chocolate, cinnamon drink. (unsweetned!) No wonder we give candy for mothers

day, valentines day.  etc.



The choc assoc. has a wonderful book called the history of chocolate. It is an

eye opener.





Now that we have tasted the real, good stuff we find it hard to eat regular

chocolate.

It just doesn't taste that good anymore, so why bother.   Great cure for

chocoholics!!!





Mora

Dragonmarsh

Dragonmarsh is not  just a store, it's an addiction !



From sorry@nospam.com Fri May 08 21:40:36 1998

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On 7 May 1998 16:09:15 GMT, dragonmrsh@aol.com (DragonMrsh) wrote:



>chocolate is also an aphrodisiac. Started in the mayan times with their

>chocolate, cinnamon drink. (unsweetned!) No wonder we give candy for mothers

>day, valentines day.  etc.

>

>The choc assoc. has a wonderful book called the history of chocolate. It is an

>eye opener.

>

>Mora

>Dragonmarsh

>Dragonmarsh is not  just a store, it's an addiction !



I understand that the Aztecs and Mayans would drink many (several dozen)

cups of a chocolate drink that was made from the fermented berries. Do

you have any more information on how this might have been made?

Thanks;

Paul





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DragonMrsh (dragonmrsh@aol.com) wrote:

: 

: There are no animal cholesteral parts in the cocoa beans but the vegetable

: cholesteral isn't  the good one either. They play that part down.  There is





?????? I think you mean fat - there's no such thing as vegetable

cholesterol.  Cholesterol is something made by an animal.  Otherwise, I

thought your post was pretty interesting.



Just my 2 cents

Kathy



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From: "Ewa Kozlowski" <evakoz@erols.com>

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Somebody mentioned to me that each zodiac sign has specific herbs that are

good for the people under those signs.

Does anyone know anything about the link of herbs to zodiac signs?

Please, e-mail me with the information.



Ewa.



++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Polish herbal remedies, fruit teas, skincare products.

mailto:info@polstore.com       or visit

http://www.polstore.com







From so@bigfoot.com Fri May 08 01:14:00 1998

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Ewa Kozlowski wrote:

> 

> Somebody mentioned to me that each zodiac sign has specific herbs that are

> good for the people under those signs.

> Does anyone know anything about the link of herbs to zodiac signs?

> Please, e-mail me with the information.

> 

> Ewa.

> 

> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> Polish herbal remedies, fruit teas, skincare products.

> mailto:info@polstore.com       or visit

> http://www.polstore.com





	I would love to see some real scientific evidence on that!

-- 

Sincerely, Stanley

Website: http://www.bigfoot.com/~so

Unsolicited commercial e-mail is deleted by SMartMail.





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In article <35523228.1DE8@bigfoot.com>,

  Stanley <so@bigfoot.com> wrote:

>

> Ewa Kozlowski wrote:

> >

> > Somebody mentioned to me that each zodiac sign has specific herbs that are

> > good for the people under those signs.

> > Does anyone know anything about the link of herbs to zodiac signs?

> > Please, e-mail me with the information.

> >

> > Ewa.

> >

> > ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> > Polish herbal remedies, fruit teas, skincare products.

> > mailto:info@polstore.com       or visit

> > http://www.polstore.com

>

> 	I would love to see some real scientific evidence on that!

> --

> Sincerely, Stanley

> Website: http://www.bigfoot.com/~so

> Unsolicited commercial e-mail is deleted by SMartMail.

>



Since this is alt.FOLKLORE.herbs, I'm glad to finally see a post that *does*

deal with folklore. While there is , of course, no scientific evidence of the

herb-to-sign correspondences, it is certainly an historic fact that at one

time a doctor wasn't worth his salt unless he had knowledge of both herbs and

astrology.



Ewa, here are a couple of websites that deal with herbs & astrology. Hope

they help:



http://b-and-t-world-seeds.com/signs.htm

http://shell.rmi.net/~grymntl/bos/doctsig.html



Lois



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In article <6ispvl$2bi$1@winter.news.erols.com>, "Ewa Kozlowski"

<evakoz@erols.com> writes:



>Does anyone know anything about the link of herbs to zodiac signs?

>Please, e-mail me with the information.



The influence of the stars on herbs dates back to the Greek traditions of

humors, astrological influences, etc. You'll see this information appearing in

herbals throughout the middle ages and Renaissance periods. Nicholas Culpeper's

herbal contains astrological influences for each herb, including a long rant

from Master Culpeper on how your modern physician lacks proper training in

astrology and therefore can't prescribe nearly as well as your basic

apothocary. Culpeper was, of course, an apothocary and not a physician. Most of

the modern translations still keep the astrological information while cleaning

up Culpeper's 17th century English.



The Cadfael mysteries refers sometimes to this information, although Peters

makes Cadfael a bit more modern in his approach to herbology. Peters did use

Culpeper as a reference, although he's from a later period than the mysteries.



Have fun researching, 

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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>Somebody mentioned to me that each zodiac sign has specific herbs that are

>good for the people under those signs.

>Does anyone know anything about the link of herbs to zodiac signs?

>Please, e-mail me with the information.

>

>Ewa.

>

>



Ewa,



There is a book published by Llewelyn called Healing Herbs and  Health Foods of

the Zodiac.It's only about $3.95 and most Llewelyn books are worth reading

anyway.



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I have a book called "Health and the Zodiac", somewhere!!..I cant find it

now can I..hehe.. Anyway its based on the fact that people under different

zodiac signs are more prone to certain ailments or diseases, I found it to

be quite interesting and sometimes accurate..Its remedies are all herbal

and diet based too. 



If your interested in this book I will try find it for you and get any info

you might like.



Ewa Kozlowski <evakoz@erols.com> wrote in article

<6ispvl$2bi$1@winter.news.erols.com>...

> Somebody mentioned to me that each zodiac sign has specific herbs that

are

> good for the people under those signs.

> Does anyone know anything about the link of herbs to zodiac signs?

> Please, e-mail me with the information.

> 

> Ewa.

> 

> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

> Polish herbal remedies, fruit teas, skincare products.

> mailto:info@polstore.com       or visit

> http://www.polstore.com

> 

> 

> 



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I did some scouting around and found the book...Tell me what you need to

know about it..



In the meantime..here is an excerpt from the foreward of the book.



"The idea of Health and the Zodiac is the present a vision of health that

encompasses the spiritual, emotional and mental aspects of wellbeing as

well as the physical.  



There is considerable emphasis here on Dr William Schuessler's biochemic

tissue salts and their correlation with different zodiac signs, and also on

specific ailments which are likely to trouble people born under a given

sign.  Geminis, for example, are said to be susceptible to complaints of

the hands, arms and shoulders, Librans to diseases of the kidneys, liver

and lumbar region and Scorpios to illnesses related to the sexual organs,

bowel and colon.

 

Much of this goes back to the medieval idea that the different signs of the

zodiac ruled different sections of the body.  One can object that such

correlations are hardly scientific--and in a strict sense of course they

arent.  But such correlations are symbolic and metaphysical, and it is

these areas of knowledge which are being increasingly recongnised as

valuable to our existence." 







The book is written by Brenda Little and Neville Drury

Published by:    Reed Books Pty Ltd

                        2 Aquatic Drive

		Frenchs Forest

		NSW Australia

		2086





Hope this helps..



Stacey



Emily <em@dev.null> wrote in article

<Pine.LNX.3.95.980509005012.108B-100000@WhiteHouse.gub>...

> Hi there!

> 

> I would be so excited if you could find out more information on that

book!

> I actually am writing a term paper on such things as herbs and zodiac

> signs and whatnot... up till now I was kinda lost on how to proceed..

> Thanks for the suggestion!

> 

> Emily

> 

> 



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Anyone used goldenseal on open wounds to heal them?  If so, what's been

your experience?



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Not Goldenseal by itself, but in a soak made up of Aloe Vera Gel and Comfrey

Root and Leaves.  You boil the Comfrey Root for about 30-40 minutes (add the

leaves about 5 minutes from the end) and strain.  After this cools, mix with

an equal amount of Organic Aloe Vera Gel and some Goldenseal (to fight

infection).  Store in the refrigerator.



Use the above as a soak or a compress over the wound.  It is wonderfully

soothing.   I had completely burned all the skin off of my index finger and

it had become infected.  I used this several times a day, and the skin grew

back inside of 1 week, with no scarring.



Anonymous wrote in message <35520019.D8@umbsky.cc.umb.edu>...

>Anyone used goldenseal on open wounds to heal them?  If so, what's been

>your experience?







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I would consider a healing umbilical cord a type of wound. I use =

goldenseal on umbilical cords for newborn babies. I have used both the =

alcohol and the goldenseal and in my opinion, the goldenseal works much =

better--drying the cord faster, it's easier to use, you don't have to =

apply it as often as the alcohol. Also, my kids always screamed when I =

used the alcohol on the cords. I would assume it burns. My 22 month old =

is the first of my children we used goldenseal on instead, and he didn't =

cry at all with the goldenseal used on his cord. I'm due in 5 weeks =

again and plan on using the goldenseal because of the great results we =

had last time.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



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been

+AD4-your experience?





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AN HERBAL RENAISSANCE

by Michael Hofferber

www.FarmersMarketOnline.com



Most Americans can't identify tarragon or separate fresh-cut 

basil from thyme, but herbs are spreading fast across the 

continent, turning up in salads and omelettes, simmering in 

teas and potions, and even occupying a prominent place in 

the medicine cabinet.



Twenty years ago a shopper would have been hard pressed 

to find fresh dill or marjoram at the local supermarket; today, 

nearly three-quarters of those same stores seasonally stock 

fresh dill and marjoram along with fresh chives, ginger, garlic, 

oregano, sage, sorrel, rosemary and other herbs.



An herbal renaissance is taking place in American kitchens 

and gardens, bringing strong scents and fervent flavors back 

to places where they've been missing for several generations. 

Not since the American Revolution, more than two centuries 

ago, has there been so much interest in and growth of herbs 

on this continent.



Thomas Jefferson, like other 18th century Americans, grew 

more than two dozen different herbs in his kitchen garden. 

His crop not only spiced family meals, but helped cure 

wounds, settle troubled tummies, freshen stale rooms and 

moisturize chapped skin. Herbs were integral to daily life.



Herbs have, in fact, been cultivated by almost every human 

culture since the dawn of civilization. Some herbs were 

considered sacred and used only in special ceremonies; 

others exhibited medicinal properties. Elaborate ceremonies 

have accompanied the cultivation, harvest and use of many 

herbs.



Ironically, the age of reason and science that Jefferson 

helped usher into the Western world also tried to debunk 

all herbalists and prove the use of herbs equivalent to 

buying and drinking snake oil. The scientific method led 

to microwave ovens and powerful synthetic drugs and lunar 

landings, but it robbed America of much of its folk wisdom 

and flavor.



Only recently has science affirmed many of the old folk 

remedies, giving credit to garlic as a cold remedy, for 

instance, or to savory as a salve for insect bites and to 

chamomile as a sedative.



And in this land once dominated by meat-and-potatoes 

cuisine, where "home-cooked" meals were often made 

from canned soups, frozen vegetables and TV dinners, 

restaurant chefs and home cooks alike are looking for 

and demanding more fresh-cut herbs and locally grown 

produce.



Increasing numbers of consumers are choosing natural 

foods and beverages that contain herbs, and there is a 

growing demand for herbal medicines like St. John's 

Wort and Echinaccea. 



For the wheat farmer trying to get by on $2.50 a bushel 

or the potato grower troubled by over-production, there 

could be a wake-up call here. While thousands of 

growers worldwide are competing for a slice of the 

soybean market, only a handful are struggling to meet 

the rising demand for Echinaccea.



This is one instance where the small acreage farmer 

or the grower cultivating leased ground has an 

advantage, given an average lower overhead and smaller 

debt service than the bigger grower. The smaller 

operation is often in better shape to experiment with new 

crops, explore new markets and try different varieties.



Like canola and ginseng, the most profitable crops of 

the next decade are likely to come from plants we can't 

identify and made into products we can't imagine. What 

if goldenseal becomes an accepted cure for the common 

cold? Or gingko really does enhance memory? What if 

Emeril LaGasse starts a run on fennel? 



If this trend continues, the produce markets of the next 

century -- whatever their specific changes may be -- are 

certainly going to be more diverse and flavorful.



For more information on "Growing and Selling Herbs," send

$3 for a booklet by that title to Outrider Books, Box 277, 

Shoshone, ID 83352-0277



_______ by Michael Hofferber    

Copyright  1998 Farmer's Market Online

http://www.farmersmarketonline.com

All rights reserved.

Michael Hofferber is the publisher of Farmer's Market Online,

an email newsletter and website for buying and selling farm-direct.

Subscriptions are free on request to marketfarm@aol.com.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

FARMER'S MARKET ONLINE 

Box 277			     Shoshone, ID 83352-0277	 

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Is pills as effected as the plain garlic that you eat.







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"FoxPro" <foxpro@conc.tds.net> wrote:



>Is pills as effected as the plain garlic that you eat.



Probably not.  I use a combination of pills, raw, and cooked garlic.



Eric



Eric O. Troldahl, etroll@flash.net

(sorry for the munged headers, I hate spam)





Not a health practitioner of any kind!!!!!

Devotee of Dr. Andrew Weil's books:

_8 Weeks To Optimum Health_ and _Spontaneous Healing_



Lead Proponent, rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated



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Eric O. Troldahl wrote:

> 

> "FoxPro" <foxpro@conc.tds.net> wrote:

> 

> >Is pills as effected as the plain garlic that you eat.

> 

> Probably not.  I use a combination of pills, raw, and cooked garlic.

> 

> Eric

> 

> Eric O. Troldahl, etroll@flash.net

> (sorry for the munged headers, I hate spam)

> 

> Not a health practitioner of any kind!!!!!

> Devotee of Dr. Andrew Weil's books:

> _8 Weeks To Optimum Health_ and _Spontaneous Healing_

> 

> Lead Proponent, rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated



As far as I read cooking destroys most of the beneficial oils in

garlic. So you should eat garlic fresh (raw). Same oils are in all

of the onion family like onions, leek, garlic. So incorporate

an extra portion of raw garlic et al. into your diet.



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Petra <c-p@pacbell.net> wrote:



>Eric O. Troldahl wrote:

>> 

>> "FoxPro" <foxpro@conc.tds.net> wrote:

>> 

>> >Is pills as effected as the plain garlic that you eat.

>> 

>> Probably not.  I use a combination of pills, raw, and cooked garlic.

>> 

>> Eric

>

>As far as I read cooking destroys most of the beneficial oils in

>garlic. So you should eat garlic fresh (raw). Same oils are in all

>of the onion family like onions, leek, garlic. So incorporate

>an extra portion of raw garlic et al. into your diet.



Notice that I wrote that I used a combination of pills, raw, and cooked.  I use

the raw garlic because I suspect that it is the best for me.  I use the pills

because I don't eat raw garlic everyday.  I eat the cooked because I like the

flavor in many foods, and I figure it can't hurt.  Especially when it increases

my garlic intake by 5-20 cloves some days.  If 80% of the oils break down, 5

cloves of cooked is equal to 1 clove of raw.  I don't know what the real numbers

are...



Eric



Eric O. Troldahl, etroll@flash.net

(sorry for the munged headers, I hate spam)





Not a health practitioner of any kind!!!!!

Devotee of Dr. Andrew Weil's books:

_8 Weeks To Optimum Health_ and _Spontaneous Healing_



Lead Proponent, rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated



From King@Lerxst.shmengland.com Sun May 10 05:39:56 1998

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From: King Lerxst <King@Lerxst.shmengland.com>

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FoxPro wrote:

> 

> Is pills as effected as the plain garlic that you eat.



Actually, I just wanted to go off on a diferent tangent here. I have

started taking garlic capsules many times in the past, but found they

really affected my mood. I would become, tired, irritable, and

depressed. In fact, I remember reading in a book on garlic that some

people quite often have this negative reaction to it.





-- 

"The more things stay the same, the more things change..."



Nigel Tuffnel, Spinal Tap



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Hello folks,



On the question of pills over using plain Garlic, I would always

prefer to use natural Garlic.  However that said, as it is the garlic

oil that is the active ingredient, and this in the pills and capsules

they will have some of the effect of eating garlic.



Then to go off on the tangent, in Aromatherapy, garlic is seen as a

hot oil, and should not be used on or by people who are angry or have

a heated temprement.  This can lead to the tired, irritable, depressed

symptoms that are described.



On Sat, 09 May 1998 22:39:56 -0400, King Lerxst

<King@Lerxst.shmengland.com> wrote:



>FoxPro wrote:

>> 

>> Is pills as effected as the plain garlic that you eat.

>

>Actually, I just wanted to go off on a diferent tangent here. I have

>started taking garlic capsules many times in the past, but found they

>really affected my mood. I would become, tired, irritable, and

>depressed. In fact, I remember reading in a book on garlic that some

>people quite often have this negative reaction to it.

>

>

>-- 

>"The more things stay the same, the more things change..."

>

>Nigel Tuffnel, Spinal Tap





From GTE/karpan@gte.net Fri May 08 02:38:38 1998

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Subject: macular degeneration

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aside from billberry being a good herb for eye complaints can anyone 

suggest alternative herbs with properties aimed at affecting macular 

degeneration??



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I understand that grape seed extract (not to be confused with grapefruit

seed extract) may be helpful.  It is supposed to help with the integrity

of the blood vessels, among other things as it is a powerful

antioxidant.   I don't know of anyone with this condition, so I can only

pass on what i've read.  But grape seed being a potent antioxidant would

not be harmful to take anyway.   Since it usually comes in 50mg

capsules, the suggested dose from what I've read is one 50 mg capsul for

every 50 lbs. of body weight.  Grape seed extract is similar to

Pycnogenol, but has some additional properties to it and is less

expensive, to boot.  You can usually find it at your local health food

store.



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jack karpan <GTE/karpan@gte.net> wrote:



>aside from billberry being a good herb for eye complaints can anyone 

>suggest alternative herbs with properties aimed at affecting macular 

>degeneration??



There is a regimen on my web page in the maladies section

that lists supplements appropriate also for this condition.



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



(A non-commercial web site).



Here's the first couple paragraphs from it.  I think these 

basic suggestions should be followed before taking 

specialized (and high-priced) supplements.



--------------------------



Non-diabetic case.



First, avoid metal consumption and absorption, especially 

nickel, which is in stainless steel and usually jewelry.  Avoid 

sources of bromine, like brominated flour.  Avoid cadmium if 

possible (in mercury fillings and lead solder joints in 

plumbing).  Avoid solvents.  See sections on solvents and 

metals in Toxin Reduction or any of Hulda Clark's books. 



Provide adequate antioxidants, vitamins, and minerals.  Ensure 

getting 200mcg per day of selenium, 100% RDA of 

zinc, and good amounts of vitamins A, C, and especially E, as 

in a good multivitamin.  For better results, also use extra 

beta carotene, and vitamins C and E, of which many combinations 

are made. 



-----------------------------------





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Hi has anybody ever tried Dragon Brew.  I have read good things about it. 

Also, where can I get it at a good price.



thanks,



Kevin





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Is that it?  Just Garlic?  What else for cholesterol? I'm sure this has

been a topic discussed a zillion times, so I'm sure the info is out

there.  What about Green Tea, Salmon Oil, Flaxseed Oil?  My mom has

mentioned these to me before.  Do they reduce cholesterol?  Is it

redundant to take them all?  If so, what's the most effective combo?

Thanks,

June



Petra wrote:



> Eric O. Troldahl wrote:

> >

> > "FoxPro" <foxpro@conc.tds.net> wrote:

> >

> > >Is pills as effected as the plain garlic that you eat.

> >

> > Probably not.  I use a combination of pills, raw, and cooked garlic.

> >

> > Eric

> >

> > Eric O. Troldahl, etroll@flash.net

> > (sorry for the munged headers, I hate spam)

> >

> > Not a health practitioner of any kind!!!!!

> > Devotee of Dr. Andrew Weil's books:

> > _8 Weeks To Optimum Health_ and _Spontaneous Healing_

> >

> > Lead Proponent, rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated

>

> As far as I read cooking destroys most of the beneficial oils in

> garlic. So you should eat garlic fresh (raw). Same oils are in all

> of the onion family like onions, leek, garlic. So incorporate

> an extra portion of raw garlic et al. into your diet.









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On Fri, 08 May 1998 06:52:19 -0700, HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net> wrote:



>Is that it?  Just Garlic?  What else for cholesterol? I'm sure this has

>been a topic discussed a zillion times, so I'm sure the info is out

>there.  What about Green Tea, Salmon Oil, Flaxseed Oil?  My mom has

>mentioned these to me before.  Do they reduce cholesterol?  Is it

>redundant to take them all?  If so, what's the most effective combo?



A couple of comments. ;) I am not a medical professional, but I happen to

have high cholesterol (as does most of the paternal side of my family) so

I've made a study of this problem because it's personally relevant to me.

I have done a fair amount of research and spoken to a number of medical

professionals.  This is what I've gleaned from that effort.



People who have problems with cholesterol levels being too high have a

genetic make up that converts the fats in their diet into cholesterols that

hang out in the blood stream.  Not everyone has this genetic make up.  My

husband, for example, sheds cholesterol like a duck sheds water off its

back.  There are a number of factors the influence the cholesterol level in

people who have a problem with it.  



The primary factors are diet and exercise.  A no saturated fat diet and

regular exercise go a *long* way towards reducing your cholesterol level.

By regular I mean at least 20 minutes every day of moderate exercise, you

don't need to get to some mystical aerobic level of consciousness, just

walk for 20 minutes a day; park the car at the *end* of the parking lot and

walk briskly to and through the store (if you have a list of things you're

getting it's more possible to walk quickly through the store), walk up the

stairs instead of taking the elevator, that sort of thing.



There are no herbs in the world that will fix the effects of eating a high

saturated fat diet and not moving around much.  Any herbs you take have to

work in *conjunction* with a permanant change in your food intake and

regular exercise.



That being said, it's pretty simple.  Do you best to avoid saturated fats

and transfatty acids (anything that says "partially hydrogenated" on the

label has transfatty acids in it) in your foods.  Add monounsaturated fats

(polyunsaturated are OK, but mono are better) are OK and you do need *some*

fat in your diet to maintain good health.  So cook with Olive and Canola

Oil.  Don't use Criso, it's solid transfatty acid.  Try to avoid both

butter (high in saturated fats) and margarine (solid transfatty acid).  If

you want something to put on toast, try something new.  Get a nicely

flavored olive oil and spray (you can get perfectly servicable plastic

spray bottles from a dollar store, or discount store) a little on your

toast.  Try using flavored olive oils to enhance foods, if you must have a

fat to be satisfied.



The easiest rule to go by on the transfatty acid thing is: the only fats

that are naturally solid at room temperature are animal fats (lard, butter,

bacon grease, etc).  Plant derived (usually mono- or polyunsaturated but

*not* *always*) fats are liquid at room temperature.  Transfatty acids are

plant derived fats that have been put through a process (of being partially

hydrogenated) can be made to stay solid at room temperature (though they

can get pretty soft).  This is *all* margarines, even fat free margarines.

They are just finding now that the transfatty acids increase your risk of

cancer because they add to the free radicals in your system.  Best to just

avoid anything that is partially hydrogenated (specifically if you have

cancer in your family, like I do.  If cancer doesn't run in your family,

then the warning probably isn't necessary).



Monounsaturated fats have been shown to actually help *reduce* cholesterol.

I'm can't remember for sure if polyunsaturated fats also reduce it, or just

don't effect it.  I think they just don't effect cholesterol levels one way

or the other, so they are sort of wasted calories, but I could be wrong.



So stay away from land animal fats and plant fats that have been made

solid.  That doesn't mean you can't eat them once in a while.  Just reduce

how often and how much you eat.  Turn land animal meats into condiments,

instead of the main focus of your meal.  BTW, vegetarians have similar

problems with fat intakes, not all plant derived foods are fat free, though

they tend to have much better fats in them.  They still have to watch what

they eat (and be careful to get enough whole proteins in their diets, as

well).



Fish are, for the most part, fine to eat on a regular basis.  The omega3

fats they have are actually shown to lower cholesterol.  So eat up on the

fish, even the high fat fish, because the fats they have aren't the same as

the fats that land animals have.



The last diet adjustment to make is a drastic increase in fiber.  Americans

especially, but even in most industrialized nations, the people eat too

much protein and not nearly enough fiber.  Oats are good, but there are

many other vegetables out there that are better than oats for reducing

cholesterol.  Just increase the amount and variety of vegetables you

consume.  Get adventurous and start trying *new* vegetables and fruits that

you see on the shelves at the supermarket.



And increase your garlic intake drastically.  Raw is best, cooked is

mediocre (the necessary componants get broken down by heat).  Pills do have

an effect, but you need to take a lot of garlic, everyday, both fresh and

in pill form, for it to work.  I'm taking two 5000 mg garlic pills a day.

Don't take them on an empty stomach because once the pill opens up in your

belly, it can cause a little stomach upset, and you get nasty smelling

burps.  Having something in the stomach helps alleviate this situation.



That being said, here are some other ideas that were sent to this ng not

too long ago by someone else:



CAYENNE - cuts cholesterol levels and reduces the risk of blood clots that

can cause heart attack.

CELERY SEED - One of the active ingredients in Celery seed, known as butyl

phthalide, has been shown in laboratory studies to help reduce cholesterol

levels and blood pressure.

GARLIC -  Yes the "stinking rose" is very good at lowering cholesterol. In

one study cholesterol levels dropped by an average 21 percent for those who

took roughly a gram of garlic per day for 16 weeks.

FENUGREEK - Has been shown to reduce cholesterol levels in lab animals.

Indian research has shown the same effect in people.



Although not an herb, lecithin is effective at increasing your HDL "good

cholesterol" and lowering your LDL or "bad cholesterol."



Hope this helps. :)



-- 

Siobhan Perricone

Dial-up telephone modems are an abomination.  

They cram digital data packets through analog voice 

circuit switches -- the worst of both worlds....even 

telephone modems, dumb as they are, know what they 

are doing is wrong.  Just listen to their hissing 

and screeching every time we force them to do it."

-- Bob Metcalfe



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On Fri, 8 May 1998, HOLLIDAY wrote:



> Is that it?  Just Garlic?  What else for cholesterol? I'm sure this has

> been a topic discussed a zillion times, so I'm sure the info is out

> there.  What about Green Tea, Salmon Oil, Flaxseed Oil?  My mom has

> mentioned these to me before.  Do they reduce cholesterol?  Is it

> redundant to take them all?  If so, what's the most effective combo?



June,



This type of thing has been discussed a zillion times on this and other

groups.  I suspect that some people don't want to get into naming a

hodgepodge of useful herbs such as garlic in answer to your question

because a more effective course of action would be to look at the larger

picture (with possible supplementation of herbs as part of the treatment

plan).  



Natural foods nutrition, meditation, stress relief, support groups, etc. 

tend to be a more effective and permanent solution as opposed to simply

taking a supplement.  See my web page articles for more information. Also,

books by Dr. Dean Ornish can be helpful.  Finally, treatments from an

experienced Holistic Medicine practitioner can often be an enormous help.



Best Wishes,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net



                     Holistic Healing Web Page

                    http://www.HolisticMed.com/





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HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net> wrote:



>Is that it?  Just Garlic?  What else for cholesterol? I'm sure this has

>been a topic discussed a zillion times, so I'm sure the info is out

>there.  What about Green Tea, Salmon Oil, Flaxseed Oil?  My mom has

>mentioned these to me before.  Do they reduce cholesterol?  Is it

>redundant to take them all?  If so, what's the most effective combo?

>Thanks,

>June



June, I was specifically responding to the questions about garlic.  I highly

recommend the book _8 Weeks to Optimum Health_ by Dr. Andrew Weil and the book

_Dr. Dean Ornish's Program for Reversing Heart Disease_, by Dr. Ornish.

However, for a direct answer to a specific question, I tend to check out the web

sites www.drweil.com and www.mayohealth.org. 



I'm not sure why you'd take my advice, since you can probably find the original

sources, but I would recommend:



- reduce animal fats (animal products including dairy, meats, and eggs)

- reduce other saturated fats (palm kernal oil, coconut oil, etc.)

- cut out coffee, black tea, and cola (probably all caffeinated soft drinks)

- drink green tea

- eat more garlic

- eat more onions

- eat more chili peppers

- eat shiitake mushrooms

- aerobic exercise 30-60 minutes a day, 5-6 days a week



If all that doesn't fix the problem within 6-12 months, you can try to strictly

follow Dr. Weil's or Dr. Ornish's diet, or consult your M.D. about drugs or

niacin, but I don't remember which forms of niacin are effective or even which

ones are considered safer or "non-flushing" (two different things).  



Eric



Eric O. Troldahl, etroll@flash.net

(sorry for the munged headers, I hate spam)





Not a health practitioner of any kind!!!!!

Devotee of Dr. Andrew Weil's books:

_8 Weeks To Optimum Health_ and _Spontaneous Healing_



Lead Proponent, rec.autos.sport.nascar.moderated



From mkkitty@eznet.net Sun May 10 15:42:45 1998

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Believe it or not, but old fashion oatmeal (the kind you have to cook more

than a minute) will help lower cholesterol.



Susan



HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net> wrote in article <35530E11.66D21707@nep.net>...

> Is that it?  Just Garlic?  What else for cholesterol? I'm sure this has

> been a topic discussed a zillion times, so I'm sure the info is out

> there.  What about Green Tea, Salmon Oil, Flaxseed Oil?  My mom has

> mentioned these to me before.  Do they reduce cholesterol?  Is it

> redundant to take them all?  If so, what's the most effective combo?

> Thanks,

> June





From hero.uk@mcmail.com Fri May 08 20:10:22 1998

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Terwur wrote:

> 

> In article <robert-0705981357330001@spirit.reno.nv.us>,

> robert@spirit.reno.nv.us (Robert Roy) writes:

> 

> >

> >COMPOUND X IS A NATIVE AMERICAN HEALING FORMULA OVER ONE HUNDRED YEARS OLD,

> >THAT HAS BEEN USED SUCCESSFULLY FOR CANCER,TUMORS,HERPES,DIABETES,CHRONIC

> >FATIGUE SYNDROME,ALLERGIES,VIRAL DISEASES,YEAST AND FUNGAL INFECTIONS,

> >PARASITES,LUPUS,MOLES,LIVER DETOX,VAGINITIS,WORMS AND SKIN CANCER.

> >PLEASE VISIT OUR WEB SITE AT     http://www.spirit-tech.com

> >

> 

> What's that smell?

> 

> Terwur (-:

> ----------



See they changed the name from Compound BS.....



Nick



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My Dr. says that the glands at the bakc of my neck are swollen.  What

are some herbs to cure this condition?  Thanks!



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>From: Chantria@webtv.net (Vanessa Mullins)<BR>

><FONT  SIZE=3 PTSIZE=10>My Dr. says that the glands at the bakc of my neck

>are swollen.  What<BR>

>are some herbs to cure this condition?  Thanks!<BR>

><BR>

Well, GOSH, that's some symptom - any idea what's causing it?  That could be

allergies, an infection (from minor to serious) or even cancer.  You treat all

of those conditions differently, and some can't be treated with herbs at all

(well, not reliably and effectively).  Swollen glands is a symptom, and it

won't go away unless you find the cause and treat THAT.

<BR>

<BR>

>---Broomstick---



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Good question.  The glands on my neck under my chin have been swollen for

the past 10+ years.  I bring it up to the doctor every time I go in, but

he stopped checking a long time ago because we could never find a cause.

Any suggestions?



Vanessa Mullins wrote:



> My Dr. says that the glands at the bakc of my neck are swollen.  What

> are some herbs to cure this condition?  Thanks!









From jamie@bozo.local.net Wed May 13 02:36:19 1998

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Matthew Givens <m3corps@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Good question.  The glands on my neck under my chin have been swollen for

>the past 10+ years.  I bring it up to the doctor every time I go in, but

>he stopped checking a long time ago because we could never find a cause.

>Any suggestions?



Several of the glands in my neck were left permanently enlarged when I

had rubella (German measles) when I was 3.  Any time I wanted to go home

from school, I had the nurse feel my glands and send me home.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."



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Greetings;



If the glands are only swollen and not an indicator of another serious

condition, I would recommend trying a lymph mover since it sounds like it

could be congested lymph... I use cleavers (Galium aparine), but it it a

fairly mild herb and might not do the trick right away.  Of course these

herbs are just suggestions, I don't claim to have a miracle cure.  Other

lymph movers are pokeroot (Phytolacca americana) and Wild Indigo (Baptisia

tinctoria).  In the case of Wild Indigo, I'd talk to your local herbalist

before taking it as it is stronger than the other two, and no more that 20

drops of tincture a day should be taken.



Hope that helps!

Emily



On Sat, 9 May 1998, Matthew Givens wrote:



> Good question.  The glands on my neck under my chin have been swollen for

> the past 10+ years.  I bring it up to the doctor every time I go in, but

> he stopped checking a long time ago because we could never find a cause.

> Any suggestions?

> 

> Vanessa Mullins wrote:

> 

> > My Dr. says that the glands at the bakc of my neck are swollen.  What

> > are some herbs to cure this condition?  Thanks!

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 





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 In helping someone with a similiar problem I  learned that there were

several food allergies AND at the same time began two wonderful herbs

that support the lymph gland systems....  So stop eating the foods

that you cannot digest AND begin using the tinctures of the herbs at

the same time.  Now they do not need the tinctures anymore BUT they

still do NOT eat the foods they do not digest well.

Here are the foods that they don't digest well -- wheat, milk, refined

sugars, red meat  (They are the Kapha constitution.-- Ayurvedic term )

Here are the herb TINCTURES (3X a day 3 droppers) -- Galium Aparine

and Artcium lappa  (Burdock and Cleavers)

Your lymph system is irritated and swollen because it is doing it's

job BUT it sounds over taxed.  I would recommend a look for irritants

to your system AND support of the lymph gland.  Take good care of your

lymph system -- 

Good Luck & God Bless.



Chantria@webtv.net (Vanessa Mullins) wrote:



>My Dr. says that the glands at the bakc of my neck are swollen.  What

>are some herbs to cure this condition?  Thanks!







From nohow-noway@nowhere.com Sat May 09 16:40:42 1998

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From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

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Here's an article written by a midwife friend of mine regarding =

Infertility.......



Help in Achieving a Healthy Pregnancy by Cindy Cornia, midwife



A woman's fertility depends upon a complex interaction between several =

hormones that induce ovulation and maintain conception after ovulation. =

If you are having difficulty achieving pregnancy, there are some natural =

things you can do to increase your odds of conceiving

Maintain good nutrition. Eat plenty of whole grains. Be sure to include =

at least one large serving of green vegetables per day, and one large =

serving of a Vitamin A-rich food (like carrots or apricots).=20



Consider supplementing your diet with Vitamin B6. Some experts highly =

recommend a supplement called Optivite. Optivite was formulated to help =

control PMS. Many couples find Optivite is useful in correcting =

fertility problems related to hormonal imbalance. Optivite is expensive =

and may be difficult to find.=20



Underweight or too lean. Having too little body fat can affect =

fertility. Fatty tissue converts androgens (male hormones) into =

estrogen, providing one-third the total estrogen in the normal woman. =

Ten to fifteen pounds above the so-called +ACI-ideal+ACI- weight =

provides a better balance of estrogen and is more beneficial to =

conception.=20



Know your mucus. Within one to two weeks after the end of your menses =

you will begin to notice some vaginal mucus. At first the vaginal mucus =

may be white or cloudy with a +ACI-tacky+ACI- feel to it. As ovulation =

approaches, the mucus becomes more profuse, clearer, and stretchy. =

Fertile mucus looks like raw egg whites. For more detailed information =

on fertility awareness contact the Couple to Couple League at PO Box =

111184, Cincinnati, Ohio. 45211. CCL teaches a very affordable and =

effective course in natural family planning. By writing the address =

above CCL, can refer you to a teaching couple near you.=20



Position. Along with the proper timing of intercourse, you can increase =

the odds by using the missionary position. Use this position (male on =

top) with a pillow under the women's hips to utilize gravity. If at all =

possible don't get up immediately after intercourse+ADs- stay in this =

position for 15 to 30 minutes.=20



Pull out the night light. Women who carefully reduce the night lighting =

in the bedroom typically experience improvement in their mucus patterns =

within one to three cycles. For most women, the sources of night =

illumination in the bedroom are easily identified and controlled -- hall =

lights, digital clocks, street lights, and so forth. The body has a =

definite +ACI-biological clock+ACI- that resists resetting. This rhythm =

is trained by the day-night cycle. Nerve impulses originate from the =

light receptors of the eyes and ultimately affect reproductive hormones. =

The influences of light on fertility are not fully understood by the =

scientific community. In many native cultures women trying to conceive =

are advised to have intercourse during the dark phase of the moon.=20



As we move into our 30's most women experience a reduction in both the =

quality and quantity of fertile vaginal mucus. Adequate mucus is =

essential in fertility because it provides the best means of sperm =

motility. Cervical mucus also has nutrient qualities that nourish the =

sperm in transit. There are three things you can do to increase your =

mucus.

1. Increase Vitamin A-rich foods (Also Optivite).

2. Use raw egg white as a coital lubricant.

3. Consider taking a cough medicine with guaifenesin in it =

(Robitussin+AK4- expectorant) after your period, and up to ovulation. =

This drug has been shown to liquefy mucus of all types, including =

vaginal mucus.



What Husbands Can Do.

1. Avoid tight underwear or anything that increases the temperature of =

the testicles, such as hot baths or Jacuzzis.

2. Increase your Vitamin C intake to 1000 mgs. a day. A study done in =

1987 found that vitamin C supplementation can increase the sperm count =

by as much as 140+ACU-.=20





Hope theses suggestions will help you out.

Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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I would like some recommendations as to the most foul tasting herbs

one has experienced....I am looking for something i can mix in a

petroleum base that will discourage an animal from licking a fresh

wound. antiseptic properties of the herb would be a plus..but no

sedating effects please......all recommendations welcome and please

rate on a scale from one to ten....BT wi;ve checked the pet stores for

such products and they have nothing really save or not painful for the

skin.





thanks claire















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medusa@pop.erols.com (claire ) wrote:



>I am looking for something i can mix in a

>petroleum base that will discourage an animal from licking a fresh

>wound.

  You have to remember that dogs have a different idea of what

smells bad than we do: they will roll on decaying animals, manure

piles, etc. with delight. Valerian stinks (to people), but my cat

likes it. 



  A physical barrier, like the "elizabethan collar", is most

secure.  Or a layer of tape over the bandages, with a swabbing of

tabasco sauce on a thin bandage over the tape.  A third remedy:

bandage one of the forelegs very securely to give them something

to mess with while the real wound heals.





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Hi Claire-



>I would like some recommendations as to the most foul tasting herbs

>one has experienced....I am looking for something i can mix in a

>petroleum base that will discourage an animal from licking a fresh

>wound. antiseptic properties of the herb would be a plus..but no

>sedating effects please.....



First, use Unpetroleum Jelly, coconut oil, or something other than

a petroleum product as a base.  No need to add toxins.



Bitter tasting is probably better than foul.  An excellent

topical for this would be straight neem oil.  It is healing,

disinfectant, and incredibly bitter (and foul to boot).  This might be

a great supplement for _your_ cat, too, if it did in fact lick

it off.  Pure tea tree oil would work, too, but it has the

potential to be irritating, plus is much more

expensive ($7/oz Now brand) than neem ($6/4 oz).  



Any of the following would also work, mixed in a base:



Grapefruit extract, neem leaves or extract, calendula flowers or

extract, yarrow flowers or extract, myrrh.  To make leaves

or flowers into ointment, melt coconut oil and add powdered

herb to it and heat a short time.  Strain, let solidify, and use.



Caution - I have no idea if any of these are safe for cats to 

eat.



turf





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"gypsy on endor" <gypsy@endor.com> wrote:



>neem is totally poisonous...do NOT use if it will be ingested!!!



First I've heard this.  They better put a warning on those neem 

products sold for internal use.



It _is_ used as an insecticide - an antifeedant - it tastes so bad

even bugs won't eat it.



turf





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If it is the case USDA approved it for agricultural use and the crops

treated with Neem can be eaten within the hour after harvest

Why???



There are deodorised version and decolorised version of neem oil





turf <turf@mindspring.com> wrote in article

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> "gypsy on endor" <gypsy@endor.com> wrote:

> 

> >neem is totally poisonous...do NOT use if it will be ingested!!!

> 

> First I've heard this.  They better put a warning on those neem 

> products sold for internal use.

> 

> It _is_ used as an insecticide - an antifeedant - it tastes so bad

> even bugs won't eat it.

> 

> turf

> 

> 



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Does anyone know how much quinine is in tonic water? I have a seltzer maker and

wanted to try making some tonic.



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On 09 May 1998 23:48:02 GMT, awvacabrew@aol.com (AWVacaBrew) wrote:



>Does anyone know how much quinine is in tonic water? I have a seltzer maker and

>wanted to try making some tonic.



Isn't quinine (in the U.S.) still a prescription only drug?





_ _ _



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awvacabrew@aol.com (AWVacaBrew) wrote:



>Does anyone know how much quinine is in tonic water? I have a seltzer maker and

>wanted to try making some tonic.



Very little - just enough to make it taste bitter.  Good luck

finding quinine.  It's been scarce to non-existent for a couple

of years.



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You don't say what you are using it for, but here are some herbs that can

substitute for Quinine:



Peruvian Bark (Quinine is derived from this), White Poplar Bark and Skullcap

Herb.



According to the book I have White Poplar Bark can be used for anything

Quinine would be used for and has none of the side-effects even in long term

use.  The best way to take it is as a warm infusion (a tea made by pouring 1

pint of hot water, over 1 ounce of dried herb, and allowing it to infuse).

How much you take at a time, as well as how often, will depend on your size

and the reason you are taking it.



--

Marie (using my husband's addy)

For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <35567c5e.2697811@news.primenet.com>...

>awvacabrew@aol.com (AWVacaBrew) wrote:

>

>>Does anyone know how much quinine is in tonic water? I have a seltzer

maker and

>>wanted to try making some tonic.

>

>Very little - just enough to make it taste bitter.  Good luck

>finding quinine.  It's been scarce to non-existent for a couple

>of years.











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>>>Does anyone know how much quinine is in tonic water? I have a seltzer

>maker and

>>>wanted to try making some tonic.

>>

>>Very little - just enough to make it taste bitter.  Good luck

>>finding quinine.  It's been scarce to non-existent for a couple

>>of years.



I used quinine for a few years for "restless legs syndrome". Naturally, soon

after, the FDA decided that it had to be regulated. As far as I know, it is now

prescription only in the US. As with most old, established treatments, it is

probably available in European (and other) countries without prescriptions.



GOOD LUCK, and God bless the good ole USA (.....who knows what's best for EACH

and EVERY one of us!!)



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MLH62 wrote:

> 

> >>>Does anyone know how much quinine is in tonic water? I have a seltzer

> >maker and

> >>>wanted to try making some tonic.





Quinine is a drug....  I should think you are entirely within your

rights to call up the customer service dept of the  company and ask them

how much is in the tonic water.  Schweppes and Canada Dry use Quinine

Hydrochloride in their tonics.  



To get some you have to pose as a buyer from a big drinks company and

call up a fine chemical trader and ask for a sample.  



This is probably illegal.  Don't do it.



Also, you'll be spotted a mile off and will feel dumb.



Nick



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Unless something has changed remarkably, Quinine sulfate is still available

on request from pharmacists.  Up until a couple of years ago it was

recommended specifically for nocturnal leg cramps.  It did not require a

prescription, but was generally kept behind the counter and dispensed only

by the pharmacist.  I still have some gelatin capsules of quinine sulfate I

bought for that reason.



-Rich









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On Tue, 12 May 1998 12:05:18 -0400, "Richard Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>Unless something has changed remarkably, Quinine sulfate is still available

>on request from pharmacists.  Up until a couple of years ago it was

>recommended specifically for nocturnal leg cramps.  It did not require a

>prescription, but was generally kept behind the counter and dispensed only

>by the pharmacist.  I still have some gelatin capsules of quinine sulfate I

>bought for that reason.

>

>-Rich

>

>



My Physician's Desk Reference says that quinine is prescription only.





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sir.coffee@usa.net (sir coffee) wrote:



>>Unless something has changed remarkably, Quinine sulfate is still available

>>on request from pharmacists.  Up until a couple of years ago it was

>>recommended specifically for nocturnal leg cramps.  It did not require a

>>prescription, but was generally kept behind the counter and dispensed only

>>by the pharmacist.  I still have some gelatin capsules of quinine sulfate I

>>bought for that reason.



  It's been scarce to unobtainable lately - I have friends who

would like to try it for restless leg syndrome and we can't find

it.

>

>My Physician's Desk Reference says that quinine is prescription only.

  Depends on which state you are in.  

>

>_ _ _

>

>The Old Man and the C:\





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Hi there~ my doctor told me to try quinine for restless leg syndrome (the

creepy crawlies...yuk), too.  He recommended specifically Schweppe's Tonic

Water and/or Bitter Lemon.  I get it at the supermarket (I live in NYC) and it

works just fine for me.  



Hope this helps.  :-)



>>>Unless something has changed remarkably, Quinine sulfate is still available

>>>on request from pharmacists.  Up until a couple of years ago it was

>>>recommended specifically for nocturnal leg cramps.  It did not require a

>>>prescription, but was generally kept behind the counter and dispensed only

>>>by the pharmacist.  I still have some gelatin capsules of quinine sulfate I

>>>bought for that reason.

>

>  It's been scarce to unobtainable lately - I have friends who

>would like to try it for restless leg syndrome and we can't find

>it.

>>

>>My Physician's Desk Reference says that quinine is prescription only.

>  Depends on which state you are in.  

>>

>>







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How come, a week or so back, when it was time to stand up and say:



"YES, I TOO HAVE RESTLESS LEG SYNDROME"



noone said anything about quinine being good for it.



Wa hey!  Medicinal G&T's for me from now on!





Nick



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Flux013 wrote in message

<1998051302164900.WAA19706@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Hi there~ my doctor told me to try quinine for restless leg syndrome (the

>creepy crawlies...yuk), too.  He recommended specifically Schweppe's Tonic

>Water and/or Bitter Lemon.  I get it at the supermarket (I live in NYC) and

it

>works just fine for me.

>

>Hope this helps.  :-)





Somewhat surprising, considering the recommended dose for leg cramps was

somewhere in the hundreds of milligrams - about one "0" capsule.  That's

probably what you'd get in a case or two of quinine water.  I once dissolved

only about a quarter of the quinine sulfate in one of the OTC capsules in a

glass of water (hoping for faster results and, yes, just curious to see if I

could make my own tonic water).  It was hard - the stuff really doesn't want

to dissolve in cold water.  I couldn't swallow the first mouthful.  I poured

half of it out and filled it with water.  Still WAY too bitter.  Nothing at

all like the mild bitter of tonic water.



-Rich









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sir coffee wrote in message <3558e443.80019379@news.mindspring.com>...

>My Physician's Desk Reference says that quinine is prescription only.





Then just find a friendly MD and ask for a 'scrip.  The stuff's really

pretty non-toxic, and if you tell them you want it for leg cramps, most are

perfectly willing to allow it.



-Rich









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I prescribed 3ml Vitex agnus-castus single dose in the morning for a woman

with hirsuitism and lengthy irregular menstrual cycle.



She represented 6 weeks later complaining of total lack of sex drive, which

affected her relationship, as you can imagine.



Comments anyone?

D.W.









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From: Juli Kight <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us>

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Well.......it is how it supposedly got it's nickname "Monks protector".

I just did a feature on it, there are some great links that have some

historical information.

http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa050898.htm

Juli

Herbs For Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com



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Is there anybody out there that knows where one can obtain ambergris?  I

realize this is unlikely but failing that if anybody knows how much it

generallys sells for, if it is being sold anywhere, please drop me a line.

thanks sla stewartallen@earthlink.net



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From: HealthyU@no.spam.cwo.com (Janine)

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On Sun, 10 May 1998 03:29:44 GMT, stewartallen@earthlink.net wrote:



>Is there anybody out there that knows where one can obtain ambergris?  I

>realize this is unlikely but failing that if anybody knows how much it

>generallys sells for, if it is being sold anywhere, please drop me a line.

>thanks sla stewartallen@earthlink.net

>

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I cannot resist!!! <g> Yes, ambergris can be found in the stomach of

whales after eating squid. It is the 'pens' of the squid that collect

in the whales stomach and get all slimy and gooey. That is ambergris!

[gross huh?]

Janine



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In article <3567b9ca.4524538@news.cwo.com>,

  HealthyU@no.spam.cwo.com (Janine) wrote:

>

> On Sun, 10 May 1998 03:29:44 GMT, stewartallen@earthlink.net wrote:

>

> >Is there anybody out there that knows where one can obtain ambergris?  I

> >realize this is unlikely but failing that if anybody knows how much it

> >generallys sells for, if it is being sold anywhere, please drop me a line.

> >thanks sla stewartallen@earthlink.net

> >

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>

> I cannot resist!!! <g> Yes, ambergris can be found in the stomach of

> whales after eating squid. It is the 'pens' of the squid that collect

> in the whales stomach and get all slimy and gooey. That is ambergris!

> [gross huh?]

> Janine

>

Is anyone aware that only 3% of the sperm whales have ambergris? It's true.

It was calculated by the whalers. Ambergris does wash ashore..as the whale

pukes or poops out the substance. it is an exceptionally rare substance,

in many parts of the world finding it is kin to winning the lottery.

Even the whalers found gris only rarely...(3%)..The sizes are smaller now.

Usually a kilo or smaller due to the fact that the big whales were killed.

I love sperm whales....they are such magnificent creatures.



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Hi I should have included this on my previous post. I'd be interested in

anybody know of somethink similar to amergris that is more easily obtainable.

 This is in the context of adding to coffee, a la the ancient Turks. Thanks

agains.  Sorry for the double posting SLA stewartallen@earthlink.net



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On Sun, 10 May 1998 03:31:11 GMT, stewartallen@earthlink.net wrote:



>Hi I should have included this on my previous post. I'd be interested in

>anybody know of somethink similar to amergris that is more easily obtainable.

> This is in the context of adding to coffee, a la the ancient Turks. Thanks

>agains.  Sorry for the double posting SLA stewartallen@earthlink.net



I urge you strongly to find something else to use.  Work to find a

substitute, *research* for a substitute, don't just leave it up to us to

offer one to you, please.  I don't know, personally, what it's for, or what

would substitute.  I just feel strongly that use of any whale products

encourages the whaling to continue.  Please don't do that.



From eee@netcom.com Mon May 11 07:07:28 1998

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In article <3557b133.784370815@news2.sover.net>,

Siobhan Perricone <astarte@sover.net> wrote:

>

>I urge you strongly to find something else to use.  Work to find a

>substitute, *research* for a substitute, don't just leave it up to us to

>offer one to you, please.  I don't know, personally, what it's for, or what

>would substitute.  I just feel strongly that use of any whale products

>encourages the whaling to continue.  Please don't do that.



Ambergris is collected from the surface of the ocean,

after the whale has died, decomposed, and the ambergris

has separated from the corpse.  It's not a motivation

for killing whales.









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On Mon, 11 May 1998 04:07:28 GMT, eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:



>In article <3557b133.784370815@news2.sover.net>,

>Siobhan Perricone <astarte@sover.net> wrote:

snip

 I just feel strongly that use of any whale products

>>encourages the whaling to continue.  Please don't do that.

>

>Ambergris is collected from the surface of the ocean,

>after the whale has died, decomposed, and the ambergris

>has separated from the corpse.  It's not a motivation

>for killing whales.

>

Ah...contraire! The whale must be killed to obtain ambergris. It is

from eating squid. There is one piece of exoskelton in the squid,

called the 'pen'. When the whales eat the squid, they can't digest

this bit, and it collects in their tummies and gets all slimy and

gooey. After a whale is killed, it is collected from the stomach of

the whale. 



LOL...it is *not* floating on the suface of anything! And, yes, it is

a motivational factor in killing whales.





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In article <3567bdae.5519945@news.cwo.com>,

  HealthyU@no.spam.cwo.com (Janine) wrote:

>

> On Mon, 11 May 1998 04:07:28 GMT, eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:

>

> >In article <3557b133.784370815@news2.sover.net>,

> >Siobhan Perricone <astarte@sover.net> wrote:

> snip

>  I just feel strongly that use of any whale products

> >>encourages the whaling to continue.  Please don't do that.

> >

> >Ambergris is collected from the surface of the ocean,

> >after the whale has died, decomposed, and the ambergris

> >has separated from the corpse.  It's not a motivation

> >for killing whales.

> >

> Ah...contraire! The whale must be killed to obtain ambergris. It is

> from eating squid. There is one piece of exoskelton in the squid,

> called the 'pen'. When the whales eat the squid, they can't digest

> this bit, and it collects in their tummies and gets all slimy and

> gooey. After a whale is killed, it is collected from the stomach of

> the whale.

>

> LOL...it is *not* floating on the suface of anything! And, yes, it is

> a motivational factor in killing whales.

>



Time for some reference materials:



Ambergris= "a grayish, waxy substance, secreted by sperm whales and found

*floating in tropical seas*: it is used in making perfumes." _Webster's New

World Dictionary of the American Language._



Ambergris= "A grayish, waxy material formed in the intestines of sperm

whales, often *found floating at sea or washed ashore*. It is used in making

perfumes." _The American Heritage School Dictionary._



"Ambergris, obtained from the sperm whale, is a yellowish substance produced

by a disease in the animal. *It is found floating near the shore* in Japan

and other Eastern countries. Sometimes it appears as far north as Greenland

and on the western shores of South America. It has been in use throughout

history and one wonders at the daring of the first person to pick up and use

a lump of this waxy exudate for perfume" _Potpourri, Incense and Other

Fragrant Concoctions_, Ann Tucker Fettner.



BTW, it's "au contraire".



In the interest of clarity,

Lois



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In article <3567bdae.5519945@news.cwo.com>,

HealthyU@no.spam.cwo.com (Janine) wrote:



<snip>



>LOL...it is *not* floating on the suface of anything! And, yes, it is

>a motivational factor in killing whales.



Umm...if it doesn't float on the surface of anything, then why is it

traditionally one of the most valuable finds a beachcomber can make?

 I've seen it pulled from the waves, even - though not, I'll grant

you, within the past fifteen or twenty years.



Blessed be,

Baird







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Many occult/new age catalogs sell Ambergris oil.  I buy it and I am blanking on

the name of the catalog that I get it from.  I have also seen it in the health

food store around the corner from me.   



If you have a new age type store near you, then check it out. 



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I am sorry to tell you that the ambergris you buy at the new age or body shops

for $4.95 - $10.95  is not the real thing.  It is a combination of amber,

benzoin, and frankincense fragrance oils.  We make it and sell it too. It

smells a whole lot better than the real item  that is available at the chemical

distillery for several hundred dollars per 10 ml.



But since it is involved in the whaling industry we will not carry the real

item. (Plus the average experimenter of aromatherapy wouldn't pay the price for

it.)



Enjoy what you find as a perfume oil knowing it never saw  any part of a whale.



Mora

Dragonmarsh Apothecary

Dragonmarsh is not  just a store, it's an addiction !



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In article <6j371v$fd5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

 <stewartallen@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Hi I should have included this on my previous post. I'd be interested in

>anybody know of somethink similar to amergris that is more easily obtainable.

> This is in the context of adding to coffee, a la the ancient Turks. Thanks

>agains.  Sorry for the double posting SLA stewartallen@earthlink.net



At least in the U.S., importation of ambergris

is prohibited, because it is a whale product.

It's a stupid rule, because it comes from whales

that have died a natural death, but nothing is

rational about the policy on whaling.









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From: "Greg" <gcouch@nospam.net>

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We have a five year old Golden Retriever that has cirrhosis of the liver.

Long term prognosis is not good.  However, we feel that if we can get him

over the current "hump", he will live an enjoyable life for the next few

months.



We live in the Houston, TX area and have taken him to the best traditional

vets (internal specialist) available here.  We have confidence in their

knowledge and respect their experience.  They are treating him with the best

traditional methods available.  However, our dog is suffering from several

side effects of the medicine he is on, making his overall well being, we

feel, worse.



Of course he must take something to stimulate his appetite and something to

help his body get rid of fluids.  We therefore, are interested in a "second

opinion" if you will, from a holistic vet.



As a result, I am looking for some recommendations.  We have a natural

health book that shows vitamins, herbs, etc., that are used for humans with

cirrhosis, but we have no information for dogs.  We would like some.  What

books, etc, are available?



In addition, since we would feel much more comfortable treating him under a

vet's supervision (and are very hesitant to try most of the homeopathic

remedies ourselves).  Does anyone have recommendations for a qualified

holistic vet in Houston (preferably NW Houston)?  We would prefer a vet that

treats BOTH traditionally and holistically.  I have researched the AHVMA web

site, but there are no holistic vets listed in the Houston area.



FYI...for you pet lovers out there.  We are trying to keep our dog's best

interest in mind.  He doesn't appear to be suffering at the moment.  If he

gets to that point, we will not sacrifice his quality of life for our own

selfishness.  However, as long as there are viable options to treat him, we

will pursue them.  He's all we have and we love him dearly.



Thanks in advance for the info.  It is much appreciated.



Note: if responding via e-mail, please use the address below.



Greg

gcouch@usa.net







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Greg,



My sympathies for your hard news. I hoep you enjoy the next few months 

with yoyr friend.



Greg (gcouch@nospam.net) wrote:

: 

: In addition, since we would feel much more comfortable treating him under a

: vet's supervision (and are very hesitant to try most of the homeopathic

: remedies ourselves).



Why? I thought that one couln't "overdose" or give a "wrong" homeopathic 

preparation? (I assume this is because the "active ingredient" is so 

diluted that it nonexistant).



: FYI...for you pet lovers out there.  We are trying to keep our dog's best

: interest in mind.  He doesn't appear to be suffering at the moment.  If he

: gets to that point, we will not sacrifice his quality of life for our own

: selfishness.  However, as long as there are viable options to treat him, we

: will pursue them.  He's all we have and we love him dearly.



IMO, people are *too* ready to kill their dogs. It would take a *lot* of 

pain to make me want to die, and I'm assuming the same for my dog. 



I think you are doing the right thing by keeping him home, avaoiding 

"heroic" measures that will only make his last few weeks more difficult. 

I hope you let him experience as much life as he can. I had a rat once 

who was dying of pnuemonia - I kept deciding to kill him (had planned on 

gassing him with CO), then changing my mind. He'd go within an hour from 

a panting, straining, apthetic sight, to a reasonably normal and (I 

suppose) happy rat. What could I do? I simply let him live out his life, 

tried to give him privacy in his bad moments, be with him when he felt 

like company...



... take care. Enjoy your time together!

 



-- 

Susan

"I would much rather be all by myself

than with someone I don't find compelling." -AS

http://www4.ncsu.edu/unity/users/s/sjhogart/public/home.html



From buglady48@hotmail.com Sun May 10 17:31:54 1998

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Hi Greg,

There are two vets whose names I got from either the Int'l Vet Acupuncture

Society (303-258-3767 or the American Vet Chiropractic Assn (309-658-2920) a

year ago who practice in Galveston - names are Jackie Cole and Mary

Dillingham.  (Don't worry about the drive, you can visit the beach - you

both need some fun!)  There is also a vet chiropractor(I think)  called

Larry Shaw in Conroe.  (There is a woman vet who does acupuncture in

Houston, but don't remember her name as when I called she said you shouldn't

do acupuncture on a sick animal  HUH???)   Don't know anything else about

them, was just collecting names at the time.  Just for your information

Holistic does not equal Homeopathic does not equal herbal, etc. etc.

Homeopathy can be very difficult to use as it requires a great deal of

experience to do any good in a situation as difficult as yours.  I think

that acupuncture might help liver function.  Some vets who do acupuncture

also use herbs, same with chiropractic. Do a bit of reading first and then

call these folks and ask what they would recommend as treatment for this

condition and if they have ever used these modalities in this instance and

what it did.  This book has acupressure points listed and also herbal

dosages (including milk thistle)  - Four Paws, Five Directions, A Guide  to

Chinese Medicine for Cats and Dogs, by Cheryl Schwartz, DVM.  These might

also be of interest:  Natural Health for Dogs and Cats, Richard (DVM) and

Susan Pitcairn; Holistic Guide for a Healthy Dog, Wendy Volhard (trainer)

and Kerry Brown, DVM; Natural Healing for Dogs and Cats, Diane Stein.  These

are all available at Borders Bookstore if you are near one.  Personally I

think that finding a truly holistic practitioner in either the people or

animal world is very difficult.  This is because many of these modalities

require a great deal of study and experience to be effective, and unlike

cats we only have one life!   Choose the modality that you feel may do the

most good according to your reading/discussions with vets/what's available

in your area, then go with it.  Food can also be used to help clean the

liver.  It is important if you use herbals to give the liver a rest every

few days to a week so it can catch up on cleaning out toxins.  Good luck to

you...

cb

    Greg wrote in message <6j3a1a$omr$1@uuneo.neosoft.com>...

    We have a five year old Golden Retriever that has cirrhosis of the

liver.

    Long term prognosis is not good.  However, we feel that if we can get

him

    over the current "hump", he will live an enjoyable life for the next few

    months.



    We live in the Houston, TX area and have taken him to the best

traditional

    vets (internal specialist) available here.  We have confidence in their

    knowledge and respect their experience.  They are treating him with the

best

    traditional methods available.  However, our dog is suffering from

several

    side effects of the medicine he is on, making his overall well being, we

    feel, worse.



    Of course he must take something to stimulate his appetite and something

to

    help his body get rid of fluids.  We therefore, are interested in a

"second

    opinion" if you will, from a holistic vet.



    As a result, I am looking for some recommendations.  We have a natural

    health book that shows vitamins, herbs, etc., that are used for humans

with

    cirrhosis, but we have no information for dogs.  We would like some.

What

    books, etc, are available?



    In addition, since we would feel much more comfortable treating him

under a

    vet's supervision (and are very hesitant to try most of the homeopathic

    remedies ourselves).  Does anyone have recommendations for a qualified

    holistic vet in Houston (preferably NW Houston)?  We would prefer a vet

that

    treats BOTH traditionally and holistically.  I have researched the AHVMA

web

    site, but there are no holistic vets listed in the Houston area.



    FYI...for you pet lovers out there.  We are trying to keep our dog's

best

    interest in mind.  He doesn't appear to be suffering at the moment.  If

he

    gets to that point, we will not sacrifice his quality of life for our

own

    selfishness.  However, as long as there are viable options to treat him,

we

    will pursue them.  He's all we have and we love him dearly.



    Thanks in advance for the info.  It is much appreciated.



    Note: if responding via e-mail, please use the address below.



    Greg

    gcouch@usa.net











From wicca@cdh.net Sun May 10 16:07:03 1998

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Merry Meet

Would anyone know history and lore pertaining to Geranium maculatum

(cranesbill) or Aruncus dioicus (goatsbeard.) I have found very little

on both in my books and I was hoping someone here could steer me to more

info. Thanks bunches.

GreyWing







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American Cranesbill

Geranium maculatum

Geraniaceae



History and Folklore:

Native American people used American Cranesbill for sore throats, canker =

sores, infected gums, and oral thrush. The herb was later used by =

European settlers for diarrhea, internal bleeding, cholera, and venereal =

diseases.



Medicinal Actions and Uses:

An astringent and clotting agent, American cranesbill is used today much =

as in earlier times. The herb is often prescribed for irritable bowel =

syndrome and hemorrhoids, and it is used to staunch wounds. It may also =

be used to treat heavy menstrual bleeding and excessive vaginal =

discharge.



For Goat's Beard, I have the Latin Tragopogon pratensis.



History and Folklore:

Goat's beard has long been eaten as a vegetable, and was praised by John =

Gerard in 1597 as +ACI-a most pleasant tasting and wholesome meate.+ACI-



Medicinal Actions and Uses:

Like its cousin dandelion, goat's beard is considered a useful remedy =

for the liver and gallbladder. It appears to have a detoxifying action, =

and may stimulate the appetite and digestion. Its high inulin content =

makes this herb a useful food for diabetics. Inulin is a nutrient made =

of fructose rather than glucose units, and therefore does not raise =

blood glucose levels.



Quoted from Andrew Chevallier.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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Does anyone have any remedies for going through menopause naturally,as I do

not want to do Estrogen Replacement Therapy synthetically! Am looking for

remedies that have been tried and really work! 



 



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Using Black Cohosh Root stopped my perimenopausal bleeding (that had

continued for about 6 1/2 months straight) in app. 2 hours.  Currently I

take 2  Soloray SP-7C Black Cohosh Blend and 2 Black Cohosh capsules, 3

times a day.  I have not had any further menopausal symptoms in the 5-6

years since I started taking this.



If you intend to take herbs for more than a month, it is a good idea to

regularly give your body a break from them.  After the first month on the

above, I started skipping one day a week.



--

Marie (using my husband's addy)

For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206



Bonnie wrote in message

<01bd7c2b$bb2f0220$8504bacc@dreyfus1.ptdprolog.net>...

>Does anyone have any remedies for going through menopause naturally,as I do

>not want to do Estrogen Replacement Therapy synthetically! Am looking for

>remedies that have been tried and really work!

>

>







From deb@mt.jeff.com Mon May 11 10:40:47 1998

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Bonnie wrote:



> Does anyone have any remedies for going through menopause naturally,as I do

> not want to do Estrogen Replacement Therapy synthetically! Am looking for

> remedies that have been tried and really work!

>



 Just do it.  If you don't take any supplements or hormone treatments then you

will go through menopause naturally.  This is a transition phase in your life.

It will pass and you will come out the other side.



The ng alt.support.menopause is fairly active.  Many of the regular posters

have never taken any hormones.  Others will share their experiences with a wide

varity of supplementation.



BTW you didn't say what symptoms you want to treat.  There are herbs that will

ease some symptoms.  But looking at the whole experience of menopause keep one

thing in mind---it is not a disease, but a natural phase of our life and we

don't need to buy into the current faddism of treating symptoms of our natural

progression through life.



Deb



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Question:



I thought phytoestrogens actively compete with the estrogen receptors in

the body, effectively *lowering* the amount of estrogen uptake.  As far as

I understand it, the body does not assimilate phytoestrogens into the body

as estrogens.  Lowering the estrogen levels is not recommended as far as I

can tell, because that is what is happening in the first place.  My

biochemistry is a little rusty, but that is how I remember it.....



Does anyone know *for sure*?

Emily





On Wed, 13 May 1998, Jean wrote:



> Do some research on red clover also...have read that this is a

> phytoestrogen...check and see if this is something you want....just an added

> thought...good luck...

> 

> smilin,

> jean

> To exchange ideas, goods,

> money or time, is to acknowledge

> prosperity in my life.

> 

> 'Deb' wrote in message <355601A1.3241D52F@mt.jeff.com>...

> >

> >

> >Bonnie wrote:

> >

> >> Does anyone have any remedies for going through menopause naturally,as I

> do

> >> not want to do Estrogen Replacement Therapy synthetically! Am looking for

> >> remedies that have been tried and really work!

> 1

> 

> 

> 

> 





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On Wed, 13 May 1998 09:37:55 -0600, Emily <em@dev.null> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I thought phytoestrogens actively compete with the estrogen receptors in

>the body, effectively *lowering* the amount of estrogen uptake.  As far as

>I understand it, the body does not assimilate phytoestrogens into the body

>as estrogens.  Lowering the estrogen levels is not recommended as far as I

>can tell, because that is what is happening in the first place.  My

>biochemistry is a little rusty, but that is how I remember it.....



The term phytoestrogen is nonsensical as 

- some of the plants that are called estrogenic have constituents that will bind

estrogen sites without activating them, thus lowering the use of estrogen in

your body

- some of the plants that are called estrogenic have constituents that will bind

estrogen sites and activate them, thus giving you more estrogen activity - but

even this will never be the same as real estrogen, it's kind of faulty

programming at work.



So, unless you -know- which way your plant will tilt the term 'estrogenic'

doesn't tell you squat.



Henriette



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Henriette Kress wrote in message <35595f22.7543674@news.theriver.com>...

>- some of the plants that are called estrogenic have constituents that will

bind

>estrogen sites without activating them, thus lowering the use of estrogen

in

>your body

>- some of the plants that are called estrogenic have constituents that will

bind

>estrogen sites and activate them, thus giving you more estrogen activity -

but

>even this will never be the same as real estrogen, it's kind of faulty

>programming at work.





It's really quite an exciting area of research, determining which of the

phytosterols are active and to what extent.  The oriental Angelica sinensis

(Tang Kuei or Dang Gui) is one of those herbs with a long history of use for

conditions characterized by imbalance or lowered or erratic sex hormone

production, and has been found to contain phytosterols which are believed to

be primarily responsible for the effects.  I would not call it "faulty

programming" exactly, as most if not all herbal medicines with the exception

of the pure nutrients (and not just herbs, either) work by mimicking some

naturally-produced bodily substance, with either stimulating or inhibiting

effects.



-Rich









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They bind to the receptors without being taken inside the cells. This is 

enough to get some effects. Estrified estrogens in HRT work in the some way. 

Only natural (identical to what our body produces) estrogen can be utilised 

inside cells.



Eva



To e-mail me, remove XX







In article <Pine.LNX.3.95.980513093143.93B-100000@WhiteHouse.gub> Emily 

<em@dev.null> writes:



>Question:



>I thought phytoestrogens actively compete with the estrogen receptors in

>the body, effectively *lowering* the amount of estrogen uptake.  As far as

>I understand it, the body does not assimilate phytoestrogens into the body

>as estrogens.  Lowering the estrogen levels is not recommended as far as I

>can tell, because that is what is happening in the first place.  My

>biochemistry is a little rusty, but that is how I remember it.....



>Does anyone know *for sure*?

>Emily







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Hello Bonnie,  this the area I am presently studying, since I am going

through menopause my self.  I highly recommend a book called Natural

Woman, Natural Menopause.  It is written by a female doctor.  I so not

remember her name.  I also take Estratabs, which is a natural estrogen.  I

told my doctor I would not take any chemicals, he prescribed this.  It is

animal estrogen - horse.  Black Cohash is coming getting appauded for

helping menopausal symptoms,  Soy products are helping hot flashes as

well.  There is research to back my statements.  I am still seeking out

more information on the subject, since many women come to my holistic

health and wellnes center.  Each one of us women are different and we go

through menopause differently as well.  Medical profession treat us all

the same.  We each have various needs and our bodies react differently

also. Pay attention to your self and your body, make a journal of your

symptoms and what you did. and what were the results.  Write this

information down in your journal and learn about yourself than you can

help others.  Talk to your doctor and tell him what your want.  You pay

his salary.  He may be of help for you.  Best wishes as your enter a new

chapter in your life.  Life should be better now.  Enjoy it. As for me I

have very few symptoms and I enjoy life.  At times I do get mild hot

flashes, which come seldom, but not like I use to.  I also have little

attitude or mood changes as I was staring to get.  Thank goodness.  I am

even-tempered.  So I like myself now.  I did not like who I was starting

to become.  Let me know how things are going.  After this week, I will

have a different e-mail address, as I graduate from the university.  My

personal address is:  Dee Hagmeier 

                      P.O. Box 21

                      Montrose, Iowa  52639

Keep contacted with me.  Please!                        

On Sun, 10 May 1998, Bonnie wrote:



> Does anyone have any remedies for going through menopause naturally,as I do

> not want to do Estrogen Replacement Therapy synthetically! Am looking for

> remedies that have been tried and really work! 

> 

>  

> 

> 





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Greetings Bonnie,



I recently received instruction about menopause and its effects.  This is

what my notes from class say:

When going through menopause, the decreased estrogen production in the

body is not absolute.  Androstenedione is produced in the adrenal glands

as well as the ovaries, which is then turned into estrogen by the body.

So effectively your body is still receiving estrogen from the adrenal

glands.  It is also normal and helpful to the body to gain 5-10 pounds 

during the change as estrone (a form of estrogen) is stored in the fat 

cells. Some suggestions that might help with hot flashes, night sweats and

other symptoms are:  reducing sugar, alcohol, caffine and hot spices in

the diet.  Also avoiding dairy products due to the hormones they contain 

is recommended. Here are some alternative calcium sources: fresh (or dry)

seeds such as pumpkin, sunflower, and sesame, 2 teaspoons of tahini a day,

kale, dandilion greens, watercress or parsley.  In the case of parsley, a

tea made of one bunch of fresh parsley and a quart of water is

recommended. Just a sprig or two won't cut it.



Of the women who go on prescription hormone replacement therapy, one-half

of the women quit within two years due to adverse side effects. Unless

there are problems or complications, menopause *does not* require

treatment.  In fact, several studies in European countries show that

hormone replacement therapy increases the risk of breast cancer by 1-30%



Good luck with your journey,

Blessed Be!

Emily



On Sun, 10 May 1998, Bonnie wrote:



> Does anyone have any remedies for going through menopause naturally,as I do

> not want to do Estrogen Replacement Therapy synthetically! Am looking for

> remedies that have been tried and really work! 

> 

>  

> 

> 





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In article <Pine.LNX.3.95.980513090351.93A-100000@WhiteHouse.gub>,

  Emily <em@dev.null> wrote:

>

> Greetings Bonnie,

>

> I recently received instruction about menopause and its effects.  This is

> what my notes from class say:

> When going through menopause, the decreased estrogen production in the

> body is not absolute.  Androstenedione is produced in the adrenal glands

> as well as the ovaries, which is then turned into estrogen by the body.

> So effectively your body is still receiving estrogen from the adrenal

> glands.  It is also normal and helpful to the body to gain 5-10 pounds

> during the change as estrone (a form of estrogen) is stored in the fat

> cells. Some suggestions that might help with hot flashes, night sweats and

> other symptoms are:  reducing sugar, alcohol, caffine and hot spices in

> the diet.  Also avoiding dairy products due to the hormones they contain

> is recommended. Here are some alternative calcium sources: fresh (or dry)

> seeds such as pumpkin, sunflower, and sesame, 2 teaspoons of tahini a day,

> kale, dandilion greens, watercress or parsley.  In the case of parsley, a

> tea made of one bunch of fresh parsley and a quart of water is

> recommended. Just a sprig or two won't cut it.

>

> Of the women who go on prescription hormone replacement therapy, one-half

> of the women quit within two years due to adverse side effects. Unless

> there are problems or complications, menopause *does not* require

> treatment.  In fact, several studies in European countries show that

> hormone replacement therapy increases the risk of breast cancer by 1-30%

>

> Good luck with your journey,

> Blessed Be!

> Emily

>

> On Sun, 10 May 1998, Bonnie wrote:

>

> > Does anyone have any remedies for going through menopause naturally,as I do

> > not want to do Estrogen Replacement Therapy synthetically! Am looking for

> > remedies that have been tried and really work!

> >

There appears to be evidence that progesterone is as important, or more

important during and after menopause.  Consider a progesterone cream, wild

yam, Black Cohosh, or Dong Quai.



Licorice Root extract also helps support the adrenal glands in this regard.



I've been through surgical menopause and all of these products have helped me.



Candy



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Hello Bonnie,

I have been wondering myself if I am starting the menopausal phase and have

done a little research.  I have read that soy products are very helpful

with relieving some menopause symptoms, and may in fact, help in avoiding

some of the uncomfortable side effects before the process of menopause even

begins.  Because of this info, and that soy is very good for you anyway, I

have started drinking tofu shakes every other morning for breakfast.  The

recipe is easy:

3-4 oz. of SILKEN tofu (silken if very soft, creamy)

2 cups of fruit (I like strawberries and bananas)

1/4 cup of juice (I usually use cranberry juice to give my bladder a boost)

Honey as desired to sweeten (I find that I don't need the sweetener unless

the bananas aren't too ripe)

Combine in blender or food processor till creamy, like a shake.  Add ice if

desired.

Go ahead and try it...can't hurt you and it is delicious.

Ann Flaherty





> 



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Hello Bonnie,



As the the symptoms of menopause are caused by the hormonal ajustments

that the body naturally make when you reach the end of your fertility,

you need to use items that will help bring the body back in to

ballance.  In Aromatherapy Clary Sage {Salvia Scaleria} is the most

common oil for helping with a whole range of problems or conditions

related to the menstrual cycle.  Less well know is Yarrow {Achillea

Millefolium}.  As Yarrow mimics Progesterone in the body it is a very

useful Essential oil.  It is not suitable for all as it can cause a

"Dermal toxic reaction", a Rash to you and me.  



The four main side effects that can cause problems for women are 

HOT FLUSHES

NIGHT SWEATS

BLOATING/WATER RETENTION

CIRCULATION PROBLEMS



These are the blends that I provide my clients with.  As I have over

16 years experience in Aromatherapy, I can assure you these do work.



For HOT FLUSHES



	Clary Sage {Salvia Scaleria} 		14 drops

	Geranium {Pelogonium Graveoleons}	10 drops

	Lemon {Citrus Limonum}			  4 drops

	Sage	{Salvia Lavenulaefolia}		  2 drops

	Diluted to 30ml in jojoba or Macadamia nut oil 



This can be massaged all over the body, or massaged on the legs and

arms and used upto seven times a day.  However you will find that once

the hot flushes are under control twice a day is all you will need.

One word of caution, there are two forms of SAGE 

{Salvia Lavenulaefolia} is the one you need, Sage {Salvia Officinalis}

has toxic effects and should be avoided by most people.



For NIGHT SWEATS



	Grapefruit {Citrus Paradisi}	12 drops

	Lime {Citrus Aurantifolia}		12 drops

	Sage {Salvia Lavenulaefolia}	  3 drops

	Thyme Red {Thymus Vulgaris}	  3 drops

	Diluted to 30ml in jojoba or Macadamia nut oil

 

Massage all over the body an hour or so before going to bed.  Some

women will also suffer from day sweats too, this formula can be used

for this as well, but citrus oils are photo toxic, I.E. areas of the

skin where oils like Lime or Grapefruit are on,  the skin will quickly

burn in direct sun.  Not a problem for just taking the rubish out to

the bin, but keep these areas covered by clothes or wash the oils off

before going out into direct sunlight.



BLOATING/WATER RETENTION



	Fennel sweet {Foeniculum Vulgare}	10 drops

	Juniper Berry {Juniperis Communis}	10 drops

	Lemon {Citrus Limonum}			  5 drops

	Peppermint {Mentha Piperita}		  5 drops

	Diluted to 30ml in jojoba or Macadamia nut oil



This blend is used just once a day, and massaged on to the abdomen and

the uper and lower back.  



CIRCULATION PROBLEMS



	Geranium {Pelogonium Graveoleons}	5 drops

	Marjoram Sweet {Origanum Marjorana}	5 drops

	Patchouli {Pogostemon Patchouli}	5 drops

	Peppermint {Mentha Piperita}		5 drops

	Diluted to 20ml in jojoba or Macadamia nut oil



Unlike the other blends that can be self applied, this one is best

applied by another person, your partner for instanse.  This is best

applied to the whole of the body by Effleurage, the flowing massage

movement, towards the heart.  I.E. feet to thigh etc.  Also this blend

is just for poor circulation caused by menopause, and will not be as

effective if used for circulation problems caused by other conditions.



The last major problem that can result from the menopause is

Osteopreosis.  While I have a blend that may help, it is not tried and

tested in the same way the previous blends are.  However as it will

not cause any adverse effects, it can be tried as a possible way of

avoiding the problem occuring.  



The Essential oil Elemi {Canarium Luzonicum} has been used for years

to help broken bones knit together.  Elemi oil is also added to some

plasters and bandages that are used for fractures.  Thus studies

apared to indicate that the oil may help in treating Osteopreosis.

There are now drugs for treating Osteopreosis that are synsisied

versions of the active ingredients of Elemi.  



Thus a blend of 

	Clary Sage {Salvia Scaleria} 	10 drops

	Elemi {Canarium Luzonicum} 	  5 drops

	Diluted to 15ml in jojoba or Macadamia nut oil	



This is massaged over the whole body once every three to five days.



Also diet is important as minerals like calcium magnisium and zinc are

important in ensuring the bone loss resulting from the menopause is

reduced.  



For menopause in general taking Evening primrose oil has been shown to

have benificial effects too.



I hope this helps.





On Sun, 10 May 1998 14:52:56 GMT, "Bonnie" <dreyfus1@ptd.net> wrote:



>Does anyone have any remedies for going through menopause naturally,as I do

>not want to do Estrogen Replacement Therapy synthetically! Am looking for

>remedies that have been tried and really work! 

>

> 





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Just what is Kaba Kaba ??



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Does anyone know a supplier for Guelder Rose.  None of my suppliers seem to

carry it.

Thanks In Advance

Gail



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Hi



I have had my dog on Essiac Formula for a couple of weeks now for cancer, I

find it has improved her greatly, her appetite has increased a lot! and her

stools are much healthier looking, she is much more active and generally

happier I think.



The dosage i am giving her is 1/3 strength of recommended dosage for ppl,

she gets approx 20mls of tea in the morning (on an empty stomach) and

approx 40mls at night at least 2hrs after eating.  The thing i am wondering

about is that this stuff seems to move her bowels, especially during the

night, it borders on diarrhoea!  Perhaps I'm not waiting long enough for

her stomach to be empty of food?? 



Does anyone have any experience with this tea?..I'd love to hear your

experiences.



Thanks



Stacey



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>The thing i am wondering

>about is that this stuff seems to move her bowels, especially during the

>night, it borders on diarrhoea!  Perhaps I'm not waiting long enough for

>her stomach to be empty of food??





Stacey, no personal experience, but the Turkey Rhubarb Root which Essiac

contains has long been used as a laxative and purgative.  I believe this is

one reason it's included in the formula, to assist the body in releasing

toxins (any already present, which may have contributed to the

carcinogenesis, and also the metabolic products of the cancer cells

themselves).



-Rich









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> >The thing i am wondering

> >about is that this stuff seems to move her bowels, especially during the

> >night, it borders on diarrhoea!  Perhaps I'm not waiting long enough for

> >her stomach to be empty of food??



I have it every day and have no problems whatsoever from it.



Birdie



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In article <355920CD.44C0@ix.netcom.com>,

  birdies@ix.netcom.com wrote:

>

> > >The thing i am wondering

> > >about is that this stuff seems to move her bowels, especially during the

> > >night, it borders on diarrhoea!  Perhaps I'm not waiting long enough for

> > >her stomach to be empty of food??

>

> I have it every day and have no problems whatsoever from it.

>

> Birdie

>

Essiac is known to traditional herbalists as a "cleansing formula".  When a

person is cleansing toxins from the body, they can have what is known to

herbalists as a "healing crisis" which might be the reason for the diarrhea.

While it is suggested Essiac be taken between meals, those with sensitive

systems should take it with meals instead.



Candy



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In article <6jdguu$a38$2@news3.alpha.net>, "Jean"

<vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> writes:



>What is Essiac if I may ask....



I suspect you'll get lots of answers by the time this posts, but just in case:



Essiac is a formula developed by Canadian nurse Rene Caisse (it's her name

spelled backwards). According to Caisse, she was given the tea by a Ojibwa

medicine man as a traditional treatment for cancer. The basic formula contains

burdock, turkey rhubarb, sheep sorrel, and slippery elm. 



There's reams of articles and testimonials about its use, but no large

double-blind studies at this time. You'll see it marketed on the Net under

several names including Ojibwa Tea of Life, Flor Essence, etc. The book ESSIAC:

A NATIVE HERBAL CANCER REMEDY by Cynthia Olsen does an excellent job of giving

the basic facts including a long article written by Dr. Jim Chan about the

potential bio-chemical reasons behind Essiac's claimed effectiveness.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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On 11 May 1998 14:28:56 GMT, "Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:



 The thing i am wondering

>about is that this stuff seems to move her bowels, especially during the

>night, it borders on diarrhoea!  Perhaps I'm not waiting long enough for

>her stomach to be empty of food?? 

>

>Does anyone have any experience with this tea?..I'd love to hear your

>experiences.

>

Hi Stacey,



The main problem with diarrhoea as a side effect is the possibility of

dehydration. Make sure your dog has lots of water, and put her on

tinned food (or homemade) not dry. Also, ask your vet about giving

subcutaneous fluids for rehydration. 



Incidentally, the slippery elm in essiac is supposed to be

anti-diarrhoeal. You could actually try adding some additional

slippery elm to the formula to see if this helps.



Elaine



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Why are you giving a smaller dose in the morning and a larger in the

evening?  Maybe you should try the larger in the morning?







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On Sat, 16 May 1998 18:28:31 GMT, "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

wrote:



>Why are you giving a smaller dose in the morning and a larger in the

>evening?  Maybe you should try the larger in the morning?

>

>





Okay, first why are you double-dosing at all?  More is definitely not

better, and I've been making and using Essiac for several years now.

You are obviously using the wrong "Essiac" (I'm sorry to say), if it

contains anything more than sheep sorrel, burdock, slippery elm and

turkish rhubarb root, then stop wasting your money!

I hate it when people get taken in by companies looking to make money

off of other peoples' illnesses.



K. Fraser

frasers@surenet.net



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I agree with Fraser - nothing more is needed than the original 4

ingredients.  The proper way to take Essiac is 2 oz in the morning and 2

oz in the evening - on a empty stomach.  This dosage should continue for

the first 3 months and then only 2 oz each day after that.



Don't make more than you will use in a week's time.  Essiac Tea spoils

quickly so only make what you need for a week at a time.  I'd stay away

from those mixtures that are already bottled as you have no idea how

long they've been sitting there, nor exactly if the mixtures are done

correctly.  The best way to purchase Essiac is to either buy from a

known source or use the Flor-Essence brand.  I happen to know someone

locally who uses the raw herbs and puts specific quantities in little

baggies for sale, enough to make a half gallon at a time, of course

which I cut in half to make a quart size.



Fidget 





A.Stephen Fraser wrote:

> 

> On Sat, 16 May 1998 18:28:31 GMT, "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

> wrote:

> 

> >Why are you giving a smaller dose in the morning and a larger in the

> >evening?  Maybe you should try the larger in the morning?

> >

> >

> 

> Okay, first why are you double-dosing at all?  More is definitely not

> better, and I've been making and using Essiac for several years now.

> You are obviously using the wrong "Essiac" (I'm sorry to say), if it

> contains anything more than sheep sorrel, burdock, slippery elm and

> turkish rhubarb root, then stop wasting your money!

> I hate it when people get taken in by companies looking to make money

> off of other peoples' illnesses.

> 

> K. Fraser

> frasers@surenet.net



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On Tue, 19 May 1998 16:09:31 -0400, Fidget <Fidget@warwick.net> wrote:



>I agree with Fraser - nothing more is needed than the original 4

>ingredients.  The proper way to take Essiac is 2 oz in the morning and 2

>oz in the evening - on a empty stomach.  This dosage should continue for

>the first 3 months and then only 2 oz each day after that.



No, no, no ... no it isn't.  I've seen people with cancerous tumours

have the dang thing explode on them for taking that amount!



According to Rene Caisse (who discovered Essiac and formed her cancer

clinic two minutes from my home) and her assistant and best friend

(and now one of my closest friends) Mary MacPherson, take 1 ounce of

Essiac to 1 ounce of boiling water on an empty stomach once daily.

(This is for a person of 150# - adjust accordingly)  Has anyone got

Rene's files?  The ones that are illegal to publish?  Didn't think so.

I have copies of them.



I grew up with this stuff.  I've lived in Bracebridge (Rene's

hometown) on and off for 16 years.  I've made Essiac for 14 of those

years.  I've seen people cured of brain cancer, lung cancer, Hodgkin's

Disease, Hep C, sinus cancer, various tumours, migraines, kidney

problems, and arthritis.  Friends of Rene's are beginning to look into

its use against A.I.D.S.



This is powerful stuff.  And it doesn't take much.







>Don't make more than you will use in a week's time.  Essiac Tea spoils

>quickly so only make what you need for a week at a time.  I'd stay away

>from those mixtures that are already bottled as you have no idea how

>long they've been sitting there, nor exactly if the mixtures are done

>correctly.  The best way to purchase Essiac is to either buy from a

>known source or use the Flor-Essence brand.  I happen to know someone

>locally who uses the raw herbs and puts specific quantities in little

>baggies for sale, enough to make a half gallon at a time, of course

>which I cut in half to make a quart size.



Wrong again.  If Essiac is bottled properly ... and I emphasiize

properly ... it can last for up to 5 months in the refrigerator

without growing a tad of mold.  If it molds over, it can be reboiled

and rebottled.  The trick is in the bottling procedure, not how the

Essiac is made. And as for Flor-Essence, that isn't even Essiac.  It

contains 8 herbs ... not four.



The best way to make it is to pick the herbs yourself.  Flor-Essence

is the greatest insult to Rene's memory ever devised.  The founder of

Flor-Essence, Elaine Alexander, claims she was given the recipe by

Respirin Corporation, which is not at all true.  She knew that Essiac

was illegal for sale in both Canada and the U.S. (it is not permitted

for _use_ in Canada unless the patient or patient's doctor applies to

the Canadian Government for is use on "humanitarian grounds") so

Elaine added red clover, kelp and two other useless items that nullify

sheep sorrel's effect on the body.  Then changed the name so that she

was legally protected.  Ironically, the suspected "Cancer cure" never

helped Elaine.  She used her concoction faithfully for 26 years ...

she died of lung cancer in May, 1996.



Folks ... please remember ... sheep sorrel ... the _real_ sheep sorrel

is a kicker of a substance.  Its sale is restricted in both the U.S.

and Canada.  Nowadays, what is called Sheep Sorrel is actually

Yellowdock or Wood Sorrel.  Just because it says sheep sorrel on a

bottle, doesn't mean that's what you're getting.



If in doubt, call the company, ask them the latin name of the Sheep

Sorrel they use.  If it is anything other than "Rumex Acetosella",

you're not getting the right stuff.  If they say it IS Rumex

Acetosella, ask them where they get it and how they get away with

distributing it since it is ILLEGAL to sell Essiac in its true form.



However, with the wonderous "pseudo-freedom" that comes with USENET,

if there is a large interest, I'll post the _exact_ instructions on

how to make it from scratch, and include a JPG file of the true Sheep

Sorrel.



Sheep Sorrel can be picked in most wooded areas.  It takes a lot to

make a batch, but once you find it there are ways to propagate it so

that it spreads and create a larger harvest.  (God knows, my husband's

back can attest)



Probably get kicked off my ISP for it, but hey ...



(The politicians here in Bracebridge and Canada are just a wee bit

protective of the formula.)



Lastly, when dealing with Essiac, "More is not better ... better is

more."



Krista Fraser

frasers@surenet.net



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On Thu, 21 May 1998 09:46:31 GMT, NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net (A.Stephen

Fraser) wrote:



>However, with the wonderous "pseudo-freedom" that comes with USENET,

>if there is a large interest, I'll post the _exact_ instructions on

>how to make it from scratch, and include a JPG file of the true Sheep

>Sorrel.



Oh please do, I want so much for my mother to take this stuff.  She has

breast cancer that has metastasized, but she doens't have any tumors

currently.  I'd like her to be able to fight it off.  She's taking a fair

amount of meds, will this fight with them?





-- 

Siobhan Perricone

"You know, I used to think it was awful that life was so unfair; then I

thought, 'Wouldn't it be much worse if life *were* fair, and all the

terrible things that happened to us come because we actually deserved

them?'  So now I take great comfort in the general hostility and

unfairness of the universe."

- Marcus, Babylon 5, "A Late Delivery from Avalon"



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On Thu, 21 May 1998 12:49:59 GMT, astarte@sover.net (Siobhan

Perricone) wrote:



>On Thu, 21 May 1998 09:46:31 GMT, NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net (A.Stephen

>Fraser) wrote:

>

>>However, with the wonderous "pseudo-freedom" that comes with USENET,

>>if there is a large interest, I'll post the _exact_ instructions on

>>how to make it from scratch, and include a JPG file of the true Sheep

>>Sorrel.

>

>Oh please do, I want so much for my mother to take this stuff.  She has

>breast cancer that has metastasized, but she doens't have any tumors

>currently.  I'd like her to be able to fight it off.  She's taking a fair

>amount of meds, will this fight with them?



Difficult to say.  Sometimes it helps tremendously in boosting WBC

counts.  Other times there is a drug interaction and one of the two or

more drugs is negated.  



And please, don't list the drugs.  Even the most educated doctor or

herbologist in the world doesn't know all of the possible drug

interactions.  In fact, they can vary from person to person.



Sorry I couldn't be of more help, but I will post the "Instruction

Manual" (as it were), and will try to take as many exerpts from Rene's

book and files as possible.



My prayers are with her.





Many well days,



Stephen Fraser

(ICQ: 9825255)



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In article <3563f0ec.19285564@news.surenet.net>, NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net

(A.Stephen Fraser) writes:



>

>Folks ... please remember ... sheep sorrel ... the _real_ sheep sorrel

>is a kicker of a substance.  Its sale is restricted in both the U.S.

>and Canada.  Nowadays, what is called Sheep Sorrel is actually

>Yellowdock or Wood Sorrel.  Just because it says sheep sorrel on a

>bottle, doesn't mean that's what you're getting.

>

>If in doubt, call the company, ask them the latin name of the Sheep

>Sorrel they use.  If it is anything other than "Rumex Acetosella",

>you're not getting the right stuff.  If they say it IS Rumex

>Acetosella, ask them where they get it and how they get away with

>distributing it since it is ILLEGAL to sell Essiac in its true form.

>

>



I must disagree with Mr. Frazer.  Sheep sorrel  (Rumex Acetosella)can be

obtained from any bulk herb broker. It has not been illegal to obtain for at

least the last 12 years. We have stocked it as well as all of the ingredients.



As far as the legalities of selling a mixture of herbs, I am not a lawyer but

it seems to me if they do not use the copyrighted name "Essiac" , it can be

sold under any other name.   I see many brands on health food stores shelves

using the exact receipe. It has been published in a variety of books under

several different persons "exclusive" rights. 



I wish that if he has the "real papers" he would publish them  so that any

others  and their claims can be disputed once and for all.  This  true formula

and its uses need to be presented as a alternate medicinal fact of its workings

and not the myths or ledgends it  has continued to create.



I have no experience of its workings or not. I have not heard stories either

good or bad , only the articles that pop up in the journals and the advertizing

claims of the various companies.



Mora Blackmarsh

Dragonmarsh Apothecary

Dragonmarsh is not  just a store, it's an addiction !



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On 26 May 1998 19:08:21 GMT, dragonmrsh@aol.com (DragonMrsh) wrote:





>(Krista Fraser) writes:

>

>>

>>Folks ... please remember ... sheep sorrel ... the _real_ sheep sorrel

>>is a kicker of a substance.  Its sale is restricted in both the U.S.

>>and Canada.  Nowadays, what is called Sheep Sorrel is actually

>>Yellowdock or Wood Sorrel.  Just because it says sheep sorrel on a

>>bottle, doesn't mean that's what you're getting.

>>

>>If in doubt, call the company, ask them the latin name of the Sheep

>>Sorrel they use.  If it is anything other than "Rumex Acetosella",

>>you're not getting the right stuff.  If they say it IS Rumex

>>Acetosella, ask them where they get it and how they get away with

>>distributing it since it is ILLEGAL to sell Essiac in its true form.

>>



>>( Drgnmrsh wrote )

>

>I must disagree with Mr. Frazer.  Sheep sorrel  (Rumex Acetosella)can be

>obtained from any bulk herb broker. It has not been illegal to obtain for at

>least the last 12 years. We have stocked it as well as all of the ingredients.

>

>SNIP<

>

>I wish that if he has the "real papers" he would publish them  so that any

>others  and their claims can be disputed once and for all.  This  true formula

>and its uses need to be presented as a alternate medicinal fact of its workings

>and not the myths or ledgends it  has continued to create.

>

>I have no experience of its workings or not. I have not heard stories either

>good or bad , only the articles that pop up in the journals and the advertizing

>claims of the various companies.

>

>Mora Blackmarsh

>Dragonmarsh Apothecary

>Dragonmarsh is not  just a store, it's an addiction !



Very sorry but I felt that clipping this would cause confusion to

those reading it.



Rumex Acetosella IS under restricted sale.  I know that the bulk herb

companies carry it, however...many times Rumex Acetosella is replaced

with Rumex Acetosis or Rumex Crispus, unbeknownst to the consumer.

If it is purchased powdered (which is usually the case) it is VERY

difficult to discern the difference.  The ONLY company currently

making true Essiac is Resperin  here in Canada, and even they make it

incorrectly.  They freeze it.  This renders Essiac useless.

Yes, there are alot of companies making it.  Floressence is the first

one that comes to mind, and I know they make it incorrectly.

How do I know this stuff?

I live in Rene Caisse's hometown, and I make Essiac.  I made it my job

to KNOW before I began for the simple fact that I did NOT want to play

with people's lives and give them false hope.  Essiac DOES work.  It

does not always work to cure the cancer, sometimes it just stops the

spread or growth, sometimes it just stops the pain involved with a

later stage cancer and makes the last days for the patient more

bearable.

I DO know that I have witnessed cures from the Essiac.  I know also

that people died because of later stage cancer and that the Essiac was

reported to have eased their pain and create an appetite.

Essiac always has a benefit IF used properly and IF it is true Essiac.



Legally speaking, we can NOT be loud in our approach to making Essiac.

If we are not quiet, we will be stopped.  After all, we threaten their

billion dollar Cancer industry.  

I do not have the papers because they were destroyed after her death

by her own family who did not want to involve themselves in what they

viewed as fighting a losing battle.  What was not destroyed now

resides in our public library...where it should be. The recipe was

published in our local paper some years ago, as was Rene Caisse's own

story.

Look. The bottom line here is...I am not trying to sell anyone on this

list anything.  I am sharing my knowledge on Essiac which is extensive

so that people who wish to try Essiac KNOW what it is, how to make it

and what to watch out for.

When you've been fighting an uphill battle for as long as I have you

get damn tired of people spreading misinformation, the govt. for

blocking its use, and the damn numbers of unscrupulous

companies/individuals out there who just want to make a fast buck on

someone elses disease.  It's disgusting!

As with most things in this world, Essiac, unfortunately has gotten a

bad rep from all of this crap that goes on and I for one just have to

say.  "Buyer Beware"

I wouldn't buy it from any health food store no matter what the label

claimed.

I would either make it myself or do some homework to make damn sure

that I was getting the REAL stuff from a supplier.



Krista Fraser

frasers@surenet.net

Many well days,



Stephen Fraser

Email: frasers@surenet.net





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> On Sat, 16 May 1998 18:28:31 GMT, "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

> wrote:

> 

> >Why are you giving a smaller dose in the morning and a larger in the

> >evening?  Maybe you should try the larger in the morning?





 I believe I started this thread weeks ago...Now that i've looked

back..wow...



Well I dont know why i was giving a larger dose in the nighttime..I guess i

was following instructions, the dose i was giving was measured down for a

small dog and the instructions I followed said: "Each evening heat 20ml of

distilled water and 20ml of  essiac formula ..Mix and drink



then



Another dose of 20ml prepared in the same way can be taken in the morning.

Well I took that to mean that she would only need to take 20mls in the

morning..not sure now if it meant to give the same dose again...

> 

> Okay, first why are you double-dosing at all?  More is definitely not

> better, and I've been making and using Essiac for several years now.

> You are obviously using the wrong "Essiac" (I'm sorry to say), if it

> contains anything more than sheep sorrel, burdock, slippery elm and

> turkish rhubarb root, then stop wasting your money!

> I hate it when people get taken in by companies looking to make money

> off of other peoples' illnesses.



I was not using the wrong Essiac, it had 4 herbs only and to my knowledge

they were the correct herbs.



Unfortunately my dog passed away less than 2 weeks ago, I think if the

Essiac were to help I would have to have had it sooner, it did help in the

2 or so weeks she was taking it and i believe she was made more comfortable

for it, and I do not believe it was a waste of money.  





From pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net Mon May 11 18:22:31 1998

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From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

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Subject: Standardization - what?

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There seems to be a lot of unnecessary controversy on this newsgroup about

the subject of standardization of medicinal herbs.  One of the most frequent

arguments *against* standardization I keep running into is the common one

about "whole herbs" being better than purified isolates.  While this may be

true of some herbs (and untrue of others) it has absolutely nothing to do

with standardization.



Standardization is simply a method of estimating the strength of an herb by

measuring one or more of the known "active" substances the herb contains.

One of the main things this allows is a way of determining dosage of

different batches of the same herb, whether from different seasons,

different locales, etc.  It can also help determine if what is sold is

really what is labeled, or if adulteration or mixing with other herbs has

been done.  It can show if a batch of an herb has lost strength from being

kept too long.



While extraction of a sample is necessary to determine strength of a batch

of herb, standardization is NOT the same as extraction and/or purification

or isolation of single compounds from an herb.  In standardization, only a

small sample of a uniform batch of herb is extracted and only for the

purpose of testing its composition.  Any herb or herbal preparation can be

standardized, whether it is tinctures, capsules, bulk herb or whatever.

Standardization does not change the composition or quality of the herb in

any way.



It is rather like testing your blood for the presence of an infection.  You

do not test *all* the blood, only a small sample.  You do not *change* the

blood in any way.  You only determine the *quality*.



-Rich









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>  Does Kava kava really cause liver damgae?  if so, what in it does the

>damage?  Is it also a Hallucanigent(sp)?  If so, are we talking "wall

>melting"

>kinda visions, or just "fuzzy, blurring" kinda sights?  Thank you ahead of

>time.

>

>



I also read that too much can be damaging to the kidneys as well. A few weeks

ago someone posted something about Kava being hallucinogenic and capable of

inducing lucid dreams in large doses. However, from what I know of Kava, I

wouldn't recommend this. There's better herbs for hallucinating anyway.



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Kava Kava supposedly causes liver damage in large doses.. although I

have seen no studies to support this, only statements with no backup.



If you are taking enough Kava Kava to hallucinate, you are taking WAY

too much, or you are having an extremely abnormal reaction.



Mark



BTW.. where can I obtain Kava Kava paste through mail order??



From jkandell@U.Arizona.EDU Mon May 11 19:26:27 1998

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I'm experimenting with using Nettle to control my hayfever, as recommended

by Mr. Weil.  I've seen mention in some places that the key chemicals for

this purpose get destroyed by heat, but not freeze drying.  I've been

using non-freeze dried nettle from Natures Way because it's a third as

expensive as Ecclictic Institute's freeze-dried Nettle.  Has anyone done

some first-hand experiments between the two forms?



jonathan kandell

tucson arizona







From gals@mindspring.com Mon May 11 20:17:53 1998

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Hi all,



 Going thru menopause naturally and experiencing hot flashes. Is there an herb

that will help with this? I am aware that soy beans will reduce the flashes

as well but I do not always have on hand.



Thanks!

Patti



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From mkkitty@eznet.net Tue May 12 00:07:32 1998

From: "Susan" <mkkitty@eznet.net>

Subject: Re: Hot Flashes

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Dong Quai works wonders.  I use it and Black Cohosh.



Susan



gals@mindspring.com wrote in article <6j7bs0$so8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> Hi all,

> 

>  Going thru menopause naturally and experiencing hot flashes. Is there an

herb

> that will help with this? I am aware that soy beans will reduce the

flashes

> as well but I do not always have on hand.

> 

> Thanks!

> Patti

> 

> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

> 



From rap@pipeline.com Wed May 13 05:08:32 1998

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My chiropractor gave me the progesterone cream from the wild yam and

also an oil made from the yam to put under my tongue. I saw that there

was a discussion of this. But I'm new to this newsgroup just today and

didn't see the earlier postings.



What is important  to know is when and how much to use. She gave me a

chart and I had to start counting the days starting from the first day

of my period. Now, I use the cream starting on the 15th day. On the

18th day I add the use of a drop of the progesterone oil under my

tongue. On the 28th day I stopped using the cream and oil. When my

period starts again I start the counting.



But this 15 day count was the final stage of about 6 months of using

this method. At first the days I used the cream and oil were

different. Your dosage changes from month to month for a while until

you level off to a permanent dosage.



I wouldn't use this wild yam progesterone cream on my own. It's

important to know how much to take and what days of the month to use

it. I don't think those instructions come with the product you can

purchase at the health food stores. 



I recommend natural progesterone based on my personal experience. I

was having hot flashes and terrible slumps in my attitude. After

starting the natural progesterone the hot flashes stopped after about

a week and my emotions aren't on such a roller coaster ride. I've been

using it for a few years and am literally sailing through menopause.

But I urge anyone interested to find a practitioner who can guide you

through this plan for menopause.



Helen in Colorado









"Susan" <mkkitty@eznet.net> wrote:



>Dong Quai works wonders.  I use it and Black Cohosh.



>Susan



>gals@mindspring.com wrote in article <6j7bs0$so8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>> Hi all,

>> 

>>  Going thru menopause naturally and experiencing hot flashes. Is there an

>herb

>> that will help with this? I am aware that soy beans will reduce the

>flashes

>> as well but I do not always have on hand.

>> 

>> Thanks!

>> Patti

>> 

>> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

>> http://www.dejanews.com/   Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading

>> 







From puddies@frontiernet.net Wed May 13 10:44:07 1998

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gals@mindspring.com wrote in message <6j7bs0$so8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>Hi all,

>

> Going thru menopause naturally and experiencing hot flashes. Is there an

herb

>that will help with this? I am aware that soy beans will reduce the flashes

>as well but I do not always have on hand.

>

>Thanks!

>Patti







Hello Patti,



I found that Motherwort tincture worked wonders for me.   If you get Susun

Weed's book "The Menopausal Years the Wise Woman Way"  she recommends

several herbs that can help.   The one she says is her favorite, is also

mine, the motherwort.   I take the tincture since the dosage is more easily

adjusted.



Regards,

Evelyn







From hero.uk@mcmail.com Mon May 11 22:01:03 1998

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From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

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Subject: Re: Standardization - what?  the herbochondriacs friend

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Richard Ogden wrote:

> 



usual cogent stuff snipped



> Standardization does not change the composition or quality of the herb in

> any way.



------



To carry on Rich's theme:





The point of standardization is so that all of an extract producer's

serenoa or aesculus, or whatever, contains the same amount of the

ingredient they are standardized to - batch in batch out.  So what you

bought last week should be the same as what you buy next week. 

(Industry shysters notwithstanding). 



This is so that the people who think that *only* the fatty acids or the

aescin (or whatever) are important, can buy accordingly.  IE most of

America and the new wave of herbochondriacs.  The holistic crew can

debate whether this is a valid argument.



In manufacturers and traders' language,  "standardized extracts" means

extracts standardized to one particular ingredient and not a drug

extract ratio like 4:1 or (worse?) "each tablet contains 150mg of

echinacea herb powder".





Nick



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Excuse my limited expertise, but aent the AMA having these same or similar

debates?  I was hoping that re-educating to the power of herbs, would have

circumvented, the officious furor

...so the harmony, of what has been and what must eventually,

may come together with fluid and deliberate momentum



From terwur@aol.com Mon May 11 22:08:01 1998

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Subject: Re: Free information on 20+ herbs self healing formula

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In article <35573ded.0@blushng.jps.net>, "Dr. Eric Straatsma ND PhD"

<estraatsma@jps.net> writes:



>

>My name is Dr. Eric Straatsma ND PhD. I am offering free information on a

>fantastic herbal formula with over 20 herbs to anyone who would like it.

>



Are you REALY a doctor? You know, a MEDICAL doctor?





>In audiences that took a sample of this formula, where a talk on herbs was

>the focus, over 90% of people felt some positive effect within several

>hours, and 50% felt something positive change within 15 minutes of taking an

>ounce of this formula. Just email me and request information on this 20 herb

>formula.



A whole OUNCE in one sitting? What sort of quack are you?



And these people were suffering from what exactly? A full wallet?



I smell BS again.





Terwur (-:

----------

PLEASURE?

"The only band in the world with a Musical Safety Officer" - NME

"What's all this about psychatrists?" - A.M Baker. 





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>fantastic herbal formula with over 20 herbs to anyone who would like it.

>

>I have written forty books on alternative health modalities, which I call The

Science of Sustainable Health.



Anyone who throws together 20 herbs into a single formula doesn't know what its

all about - even if he has written 40 books













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From: mgooch@gil.com.au (Mick Gooch)

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Subject: ECHINACIA/STEVIA - Want Info on cultivation and uses/effectiveness.

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I am after sites or any other information I can gather on  these herbs 

and any other herbal references not cluttered with SPAM.



I am after information not US advertisements.

-- 

Regards,

Mick.



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>Stevia is a native of the south american highlands (i.e. the andes) and the

>plant, itself, is somewhat like a bromeliad in that when little "babies"

>come off the main plant, the "mother" dies and the little ones, in each

>individual pots of their own, grow to maturity.



I received one of these plants for Mother's Day.  I have been reading a lot

about it lately and since my daughter is diabetic it's something that really

interests me.  Can you say exactly how these "babies" are produced?  Seed?  Do

they just pop up on their own like an Aloe plant? (The mother plant with Aloe

doesn't die, I know.)  I'd like to know all I can about it's actual cultivation

but I'm not finding much on that.  

>

>one overflowing cup of stevia is equal to 1 tsp. of white sugar with only 10

>calories!!

 

Please explain...one cup of Stevia is only equal to 1 tsp. of white sugar?  I

thought the plant was supposed to be sweeter than sugar.  It tastes pretty

good, that's the first thing I did when I got it. <G>



> best of all, it can be used for baking and cooking, whereas

>nutrasweet cannot.



This was one of the main reasons I wanted it!  Nutrsweet is horrid for baking

and cooking...yuck!  There must be a better alternative and I'm hoping this may

turn out to be it, but of course I'll have to keep checking around to see if

it's really safe for my daughter.

>  







Beth

The Truth is Out There



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> one overflowing cup of stevia is equal to 1 tsp. of white sugar 



You mean 1 tsp of stevia is equal to 1 cup of sugar. 



It's probably sweeter than that. Stevia is about 300 times

sweeter than sugar. Different brands vary.



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Dears Slade and Kay Henson

In your article of April, 20 you stated that Hawthorn herbs are used today to

treat Angina and Coronary Artery diseases. It was also mentioned in your

article that an Irish physician started recently to apply Hawthorn for

circulatory and cardiac problems.



Our medical unit hear in Brasil, with the coordination by Quintiliano H. de

Mesquita, cardiologist and professor is using since 1972 cardiotonic drugs

(mainly digitalis and strophantus,) in Angina and Myocardial Infarction with

very very good results based in a new explanation developed for the MI origin.



We would like to ask for your kindness to get for us the name and email

address from the Irish physician cited, in order to exchange clinical

experiences with him. Moreover we will be grateful for any literature you can

get for us about the Hawthorne use in coronary artery diseases showing

clinical data.



Summary of our papers are being published in the Infarct Combat Project web

site at: http:www.infarctcombat.org

See also our article "Tribute to James B. Herrick, MD" published in

sci.med.cardiology, bionet.biology.cardiovascular and sci.med on May, 10.



Thanks again and regards



Instituto de Combate ao Enfarte do Miocardio



P.S.- According some information received by us, Reishi mushrooms (ganoderma

lucidum) has been used for centuries in China for Angina and coronary artery

diseases. Do you have any information about Reishi as cardiac herb and

clinical results?



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From nohow-noway@nowhere.com Tue May 12 19:49:27 1998

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From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

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As of 1996, Andrew Chevallier chaired the "Council of Complimentary and =

Alternative Medicine." You should be able to contact him through them. =

David Hoffman, another excellent source of information, can be contacted =

through this council as well.



Council of Complementary and Alternative Medicine

208-6 Latimer Road

London W10 6RE





By the way, the Irish physician stated his claims in the late 19TH =

CENTURY... not recently.

Regarding the Reishi mushroom question you had, I don't see any =

references to it by either David Hoffman or Andrew Chevallier. They may =

have more information on them. Ask them when you contact the Council.



I did, however, find this reference from Jack Ritchason, N.D., Ph.D.--He =

does state that Reishi "improves the coronary arteries and reduces =

excessive levels of cholesterol in the blood, thus improving =

circulation." He also says it strengthens the heart and normalizes blood =

pressure. He says among its uses are coronary heart disease.

He is a member of the State Society of Homeopathic Physicians, is a =

Master Herbalist and (was the Dean of the Herbal Institute in Huntington =

Beach, CA.) He is also a Life Member of the National Health Federation =

and has held positions there as Vice President, Vice Chairman and =

Chairman. I would try to contact him through one of the organizations =

listed.



If you need any further assistance, please feel free to contact me =

again. I'll do my best to lead you in the right direction.





-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



wrote in message <6j7q03$jg6$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>Dears Slade and Kay Henson

>In your article of April, 20 you stated that Hawthorn herbs are used =

today to

>treat Angina and Coronary Artery diseases. It was also mentioned in =

your

>article that an Irish physician started recently to apply Hawthorn for

>circulatory and cardiac problems.

>

>Our medical unit hear in Brasil, with the coordination by Quintiliano =

H. de

>Mesquita, cardiologist and professor is using since 1972 cardiotonic =

drugs

>(mainly digitalis and strophantus,) in Angina and Myocardial Infarction =

with

>very very good results based in a new explanation developed for the MI =

origin.

>

>We would like to ask for your kindness to get for us the name and email

>address from the Irish physician cited, in order to exchange clinical

>experiences with him. Moreover we will be grateful for any literature =

you can

>get for us about the Hawthorne use in coronary artery diseases showing

>clinical data.

>

>Summary of our papers are being published in the Infarct Combat Project =

web

>site at: http:www.infarctcombat.org

>See also our article "Tribute to James B. Herrick, MD" published in

>sci.med.cardiology, bionet.biology.cardiovascular and sci.med on May, =

10.

>

>Thanks again and regards

>

>Instituto de Combate ao Enfarte do Miocardio

>

>P.S.- According some information received by us, Reishi mushrooms =

(ganoderma

>lucidum) has been used for centuries in China for Angina and coronary =

artery

>diseases. Do you have any information about Reishi as cardiac herb and

>clinical results?







From b.winston@worldnet.att.net Tue May 12 01:16:09 1998

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solo wrote in message <01bd7c88$2b5db580$LocalHost@demo>...

>Hi, all.

>This is probably a dumb question, but how is a medline search done?

>

>I suffer from anxiety, social phobia and also depression.

>I take a Kava pill that is equal to 3000 mg of kava kava dry rhiz.

>I take two of these at a time( Twice the recommended dose.)

>two to three times a day. The kava is taken on a need only basis

>at the moment. like when I go into a situation that I know will be

>difficult for me. (which is every other day)

>Will this harm me over time?





The symptoms you name are commonly caused by a nutritional deficiency.

Generally taking 300-500 mg. Niacinamide (this is the non flushing stuff)

daily, in divided doses, will have you feeling better within a month.

Continued consumption will lead to full recovery, although you might need

more during long stressful periods (i.e. a family crisis, working a lot of

overtime, during your period (if female), ect.  This is perfectly safe, and

a much better approach than only using something periodically.



In order to effectively use the B3, though, you will also need to supplement

with extra Vit. C and Magnesium.  Also, you should take a high B Complex

(100-150 mg. of the major B's) to prevent developing a deficiency in one of

these while taking the Niacinamide.



Some people find that B1, 6 or 12 is more what they need, but start with the

above and give it time to work.  I guess that alternatively, you could use

5-HTP, which is a precursor to Seratonin (one of B3's ultimate

destinations), but I have not tried this myself.



The Niacinamide (ect.)  has worked for me and everyone I have personally

recommended it to.  It was a God send and brought me out of long standing

suicidal tendencies.  I see no reason why you couldn't continue with the

Kava Kava until the B3 kicks in, but you may want to check periodically to

see if you can't get by with less.



I will attempt to explain, from the research I did before starting the

above, why it takes a while to see results.  The body is continually in the

process of replacing worn out cells with new ones.  When you have a long

standing vitamin deficiency (mine was due to allergies and malabsorption,

which is why I recommend high potencies), cells, in this case nerve cells,

that would normally require a certain amount of B3, are made anyway but with

a less than optimal amount.  Therefore, they do not function entirely as

they should.  So you feel "on edge", jittery, depressed, or whatever.  Once

you start supplementing, as new cells are made to replace the old, they now

function correctly, however it takes time for enough of the cells to be

replaced to the point where you can actually feel the difference.  It is a

very gradual change.  You one day just realize that you haven't been feeling

as depressed as usual lately.



I'll probably catch a lot of flack from this post, but I know that it works.

And if I help at least one person, its worth it.  By the way, I happen to

think deficiencies are a lot more common than doctors would have us believe.

In many cases, they are subclinical (i.e. don't cause obvious physical

changes or show up in blood tests).  This doesn't make them, or their

effects, any less real.  It is also nice to know that what you are feeling

has a physical cause and that you are not "crazy".



--

Marie (using my husband's addy)

For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206

>

>I'd like to take St. Johns wort for the depression.

>But I have a skin condition called solar keratosis which is basically

>area's of skin which are on there way to becoming skin cancer.

>I have heard that taking this herb can make your skin more sensitive

>to sunlight.

>Any comments on these concerns would be appreciated.

>

>Solo.

>

>

>

>King Lerxst <King@Lerxst.shmengland.com> wrote in article

><354D3441.717E@Lerxst.shmengland.com>...

>> JiaStar wrote:

>> >

>> > causes hallucinations but it completely harmless

>> >

>> > sounds like an  oxymoron to me

>>

>> It has also been shown to cause liver damage over an extended period of

>> time. Do a Medline search on this herb first.

>>

>>

>> --

>> "The more things stay the same, the more things change..."

>>

>> Nigel Tuffnel, Spinal Tap

>>











From prompom@juno.com Tue May 12 11:17:17 1998

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I had a problem with SJW.  I was taking a medication for high blood pressure (Calan) and

Zolof for depresion.  I wanted to get off the Zolof and tried to switch to SJW.  I started

reducing the Zolof  dosage while increasing the SJW.  By the time I was off of the Zolof

and entirly on the SJW my blood pressure was very high, I was getting dizzy spells, and my

mood was down.  This lasted about 2 weeks until I started on Prozac.  I was hoping the SJW

would work, but I think there was a reaction to the blood presure medicine.







Tim LPN wrote:



>      Are you taking imipramine for depression or anxiety/depression. Have you had a

> blood level done?? What is your dosage and weight??

>       I tried S J Wort but the only thing I got was sleepy. I do know its the #1 drug

> prescribed in Germany for depression.

>

>                                                                Tim;)

>

> Chuck Stoup wrote:

>

> > Hey, one of the reasons I decided to check out this news group is to get

> > some info on St. John's Wort.  Here to find a thread about it which is nothing

> > but blather.  (OK I'm done ranting)

> >

> > Since I've seemed to miss the real thread, I've been taking imapramine for several

> > years at a rather high dose.  It has worked well, with the exception that I'm always

> >

> > sleepy.  I could hardly drive.  I have been taking Ritlin which helps some.

> >

> > Around Christmas time I heard about St. John's Wort and decided to try it.  Within

> > days I noticed much less tiredness.  I was actually able to drive a 6 hour trip

> > without

> > stopping, and recently stopped drinking coffee.

> >

> > I just wanted to find out more about the stuff and what other people's opinion of it

> >

> > was.

> >

> > Patty wrote:

> >

> > > Lance Togar wrote:

> > >

> > > > Gary Cooper wrote in message <891858869snz@wordshop.demon.co.uk>...

> > > > >In article <6g94rl$kb5$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> lksgood@mailexcite.com

> > > > writes:

> > > > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >> GET ST. JOHN'S WORT FROM LOOKSGOOD.COM

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > ><snipped>

> > > > >

> > > > >I do hope that anyone brave enough to self-medicate with

> > > > >SJW makes a deliberate point of *not* buying from these

> > > > >vampires. Commercial Spamming is killing Usenet but

> > > > >do they care? Nope.. not if they can make money before

> > > > >it collapses.

> > > > >

> > > > ..

> > > > I fully agree and hope they get the point. I *never* buy from spammers. That

> > > > said, 1/4 to 1/2 tablet (.3% hypericin) once or twice a day has proven to be

> > > > helpful for me.

> > >

> > > Spammers really piss me off. My fiancee got an anti-spam program and we are

> > > beginning to take care of business with these people. I was unaware before that

> > > unwanted junk mail is UNLAWFUL in the US.

> > >

> > > If anyone is interested in getting the program off the Net, let me know and I'll

> > > ask him where to get it.

> > > Patty

> > >

> > > > ..

> > > > ..









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Actually,Mike,it was your combination of SJW and Zoloft. I too was

takingSJW and

now and then my Zoloft.This is what my doctor told me. Also,she told me

that SJW should only be used for slight depression.



.



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Can Cats Claw be used in a douche to help treat an inflammed cervix?  I have

read of many different uses for it but never in this way.  Would it be too

irritating?  How much would I use?  



Thanks,

Terri



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jaclinhide@aol.com (JaclinHide) wrote:



>Can Cats Claw be used in a douche to help treat an inflammed cervix?  



It may work, depending on the cause.  However, pau d'arco is more

typically used and has many of the same properties of cat's claw and

is also much milder tasting if you drink the tea (and would probably

do better than douching with it.)  Pau d'arco is probably not as

strong in action internally, though.



> Would it be too

>irritating? 



I would say not, but being male, I have never tried it <g>.



>  How much would I use?  



Make a strong tea (tablespoon in pint of water).



turf





From gam@inland.net Tue May 12 20:57:03 1998

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Can anyone tell me the best way to prepare Kava Kava. I'm not worried

about taste just the best way to get the most out of it.



Thanks

Gary

gam@inland.net



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Hello Gary,



I've made Kava in percolation and maceration form to compare the two.  Of

course the most important thing is to get good Kava in the first place.  I

found the percolation procedure to be smoother and you can taste more of

the plant. It also takes less time than macerating. However, maceration

works well also. I'd definitely recommend tincture form over tea because

all those constituents just aren't water soluable. Let me know if you want

more info...



Fellow Kava lover,

Emily



On 12 May 1998, Gary wrote:



> Can anyone tell me the best way to prepare Kava Kava. I'm not worried

> about taste just the best way to get the most out of it.

> 

> Thanks

> Gary

> gam@inland.net

> 

> 





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Hello Jean!



Maceration and percolation are two different ways to make a tincture.  In

maceration, you basically take the herb, cut it up into pieces, put it in

a container, cover the herb with ethanol (or 80 proof vodka, or 

everclear), put a cover on it and let it sit for about three weeks,

depending on the herb... The macerating part comes from you shaking it

every day, and be sure to keep it away from light and heat.  This is a

very simple way to make tinctures and you can use fresh or dried herb

basically of any variety.



In a percolation, the procedure is a little more complicated.  It is for

dried herb use only, and herbs with mucopolysaccharides such as

marshmallow don't work well with it.  First, you need a percolation cone

and some unbleached coffee filters.  A Percolation cone is basically a

glass bottle (Perrier bottles work great) upside down with the bottom cut

off... important to keep the cap. (There is a very simple way to make

those if you're interested, let me know).  You'll also need a jar of some

type to place the upside down bottle to drip into.



First, you place the coffee filter into the bottom of the perc cone. The

herb is ground up, not too finely, in order to increase surface area

and packed into the perc cone.  A small amount of menstrum (H2O and

ethanol) is added to wet the herb.  This amount should be enough to be

absorbed fully by the herb, and to fully wet the herb, but not too much to

drip excessively into your jar. Once the liquid is absorbed, you add the

rest of the menstrum, tighten the cap on the bottle to let it drip twice a

second, and let it go....  it usually takes a couple hours to a day

depending on how big your cone is, how much herb you're percolating, etc.



Of course, if you're a clinical herbalist, you need to keep paperwork,

calculate alcohol percentages, and herb to menstrum ratios, but if you're

just making personal tintures, I don't find it to be that important...



Hope this made sense, sometimes my instructions get boggled up...

Happy tincturing!!

Emily



On Wed, 13 May 1998, Jean wrote:



> Hello:)

> new to this...please tell me the difference between tincture and

> macerating...and when you perculate...how do you do it...?? thank you in

> advance....

> 

> smilin,

> jean

> 

> To exchange ideas, goods,

> money or time, is to acknowledge

> prosperity in my life.

> 

> Emily wrote in message ...

> >Hello Gary,

> >

> >I've made Kava in percolation and maceration form to compare the two.  Of

> >course the most important thing is to get good Kava in the first place.  I

> >found the percolation procedure to be smoother and you can taste more of

> >the plant. It also takes less time than macerating. However, maceration

> >works well also. I'd definitely recommend tincture form over tea because

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 





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> I take Kava Kava in encapsulated form from Nature's Sunshine Products as I have epilepsy and anxiety attacks.  This was orginally prepared as a ceremonial drink by the people of Polynesia and Indonesia but I do not have a recipe.



They used to [maybe still do] chew the root and spit it into a bowl, mix

it, etc. And others would drink the resulting mixture.



> I would think a tea made of warm, not hot water, with perhaps a little

> locally grown honey would be good.  Candy



From roots? I make a decoction, covering while on a low boil, strain,

and set aside in the fridge for about 8-12 hrs. Then, drink. Very

powerful, concentrated mix. For roots, usually a decoction is the best

way, as an infusion cannot get the good stuff out.



-Val

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Gotta respond..

someone mentioned warm Kava Kava or worse yet, boiling Kava Kava.. this

(heating Kava Kava) absolutely positively destroys the kavalactones, and

if you have no kavalactones, the kava kava is worthless. This is an

absolute fact and not an opinion. You NEVER heat Kava Kava.



Just the facts, folks.. it sure seems like a lot of people like to give

advice about herbs they know nothing about in this group!! Ya gotta be

careful!! And I am starting to recognize the names of the people who do

this;  it is generally the same people over and over!! ;-)



Mark



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Interesting. Can you post a reference to this? I was told by many people

that a proper way of making kava was to make a decoction of the roots. I

tried this, and it worked better than tincture/capsule form. I would be

most interested in where you heard this/found this info.



As to heat destroying Kava Kava's contents, the mouth is at least 90

degrees, and the people of Hawaii who used to chew it in order to

extract the goodies, would subject it to chewing, which, can usually

only be done inside a mouth - which is, see above, at least 90 degrees. 



Before you claim that others' information is bunk, post your reference

material beforehand. 



-Val



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Mark Wegner wrote:

> 

> Gotta respond..

> someone mentioned warm Kava Kava or worse yet, boiling Kava Kava.. this

> (heating Kava Kava) absolutely positively destroys the kavalactones, and

> if you have no kavalactones, the kava kava is worthless. This is an

> absolute fact and not an opinion. You NEVER heat Kava Kava.

> 

> Just the facts, folks.. it sure seems like a lot of people like to give

> advice about herbs they know nothing about in this group!! Ya gotta be

> careful!! And I am starting to recognize the names of the people who do

> this;  it is generally the same people over and over!! ;-)

> 

> Mark



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I am not going to get into a pissing match over Kava Kava. I was already

flamed on list by some idiot who said they had never heard of

kavalactones and that the kavalactone content didn't matter. 



As far as heating the Kava Kava goes, it is just not done, it destroys

the Kavalactones.  Just study this a bit, it is not that hard.. do a

Kava Kava search, and read everything you can!! Simple as that.



Most herbalists don't know shit about Kava Kava.  One gut told me to

chew it like tobacco! Another told me to brew a tea!! IDIOTS!! 



But actually I was an idiot too.. cause I believed them and did it, and

guess what.. nothing happened.



Don't trust people, ME included. READ, READ, READ!!!!



Here is someplace to get started. Do a Kava Kava search, you will find

all the information you need, and then some. 



http://www.kavaking.com:80/recipes.html



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On Thu, 21 May 1998 18:25:53 -0500, markwegner@webtv.net (Mark Wegner) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I am not going to get into a pissing match over Kava Kava. I was already

>flamed on list by some idiot who said they had never heard of

>kavalactones and that the kavalactone content didn't matter. 

>

>As far as heating the Kava Kava goes, it is just not done, it destroys

>the Kavalactones.  



Funny part is, Kava kava (Piper methysticum) has at least four groups of active

constituents, only one of which is the kavalactones.



>Most herbalists don't know shit about Kava Kava.  One gut told me to

>chew it like tobacco! Another told me to brew a tea!! IDIOTS!! 

(snip)

>guess what.. nothing happened.



What did you want to happen? Perhaps something else than the herbalists were

after? This is, after all, a complex plants with multiple applications. Don't

condemn the herbalists out of hand - perhaps it is you that doesn't really know

the plant all that well?



The traditional way to use it (in spiritual ceremonies) is to have somebody chew

the root for you and spit the result into a nice basket, where it can ferment

for a while. You drink the result. Have you tried that?



Oh yes, a problem with kava kava is also that the dried herb you find in

commerce is usually rather inert. The best part of kava kava is the central root

of the plant. What you usually get is the lateral roots, which are much weaker

in any action. Dry these for long enough in ambient temperatures, take out any

energy left over (this energy ends up as universal food substance bricks that

are necessary for processing anything you buy in your local McDonalds, Burger

King, Pizza hut etc. (1)) and the resulting 'cut and sifted root' is what you

find on shelves (if you find it) or in mail order catalogues.



Having fun,

Henriette



((1) Thanks for that great joke, uncle Mike.)



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Mark Wegner wrote:

> 

> I am not going to get into a pissing match over Kava Kava.



Huh? Who said anything about a pissing match?





> I was already

> flamed on list by some idiot who said they had never heard of

> kavalactones and that the kavalactone content didn't matter.



I don't understand why a flame is needed in herb discussion (shrug).



> As far as heating the Kava Kava goes, it is just not done, it destroys

> the Kavalactones.



Well, I would think that if heat DID destroy the, 'kavalactones' that it

would then render its effects useless then, correct? Please refer to my

last post regarding how the natives chewed Kava to extract the goodies,

and 90+ degree heat within the mouth coming in contact with the Kava.



>  Just study this a bit, it is not that hard.. do a

> Kava Kava search, and read everything you can!!

> Simple as that.



I have read several books backed by various medical sources, and have

never heard anything about this. 



> 

> Most herbalists don't know shit about Kava Kava.  One gut told me to

> chew it like tobacco! Another told me to brew a tea!! IDIOTS!!



I don't understand your negative feelings on this issue. Some are

misinformed, there's no reason to condemn their misunderstandings.

Remember, you too once knew nothing about herbs, we are -all- students

when it comes to herbs. One can -NEVER- know everything about them.



> 

> But actually I was an idiot too.. cause I believed them and did it, >and guess what.. nothing happened.



I made several decoctions and the effects were more profound than

capsule form, and tincture form.



> Don't trust people, ME included.



Well, that's kinda why I wanted you to point out a reference as to where

you discovered this. :)



I don't see how a recipe will help explain this. Please point to the

source for your information on this, so we can understand this a bit

more. I shouldn't have to start a blind search for you to tell me where

to find exact information backing your claim.



> 

> Here is someplace to get started. Do a Kava Kava search, you will find

> all the information you need, and then some.

> 

> http://www.kavaking.com:80/recipes.html



Thanks,



-Val



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Valerian wrote in message <3563C5BD.2A52C385@home.com>...

>Mark Wegner wrote:

>> I was already

>> flamed on list by some idiot who said they had never heard of

>> kavalactones and that the kavalactone content didn't matter.

>

>I don't understand why a flame is needed in herb discussion (shrug).





Hey, maybe THAT'S what denatures the kavalactones - flames! <vbg>



-Rich











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Ummm...I really don't know that much about the stability of kavalactones

under elevated temperatures, but...  90 degrees F is a far cry from the 212

degrees F of a decoction, no?  I mean, it's about 90 degrees outside my

office right now, and I can stand it (even if I don't like it).  But 212

degrees? I'll take a pass, thank you! ;-)



-Rich



Valerian wrote in message <35632164.FF7AB0D7@home.com>...

>As to heat destroying Kava Kava's contents, the mouth is at least 90

>degrees, and the people of Hawaii who used to chew it in order to

>extract the goodies, would subject it to chewing, which, can usually

>only be done inside a mouth - which is, see above, at least 90 degrees.



>

>Mark Wegner wrote:

>>

>> Gotta respond..

>> someone mentioned warm Kava Kava or worse yet, boiling Kava Kava.. this

>> (heating Kava Kava) absolutely positively destroys the kavalactones, and

>> if you have no kavalactones, the kava kava is worthless. This is an

>> absolute fact and not an opinion. You NEVER heat Kava Kava.









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It was a small example. He said subjecting kava to warm temperatures at

-all- would destroy whatever constitute he was referring to.



-Val





Richard Ogden wrote:

> 

> Ummm...I really don't know that much about the stability of kavalactones

> under elevated temperatures, but...  90 degrees F is a far cry from the 212

> degrees F of a decoction, no?  I mean, it's about 90 degrees outside my

> office right now, and I can stand it (even if I don't like it).  But 212

> degrees? I'll take a pass, thank you! ;-)

> 

> -Rich

> 

> Valerian wrote in message <35632164.FF7AB0D7@home.com>...

> >As to heat destroying Kava Kava's contents, the mouth is at least 90

> >degrees, and the people of Hawaii who used to chew it in order to

> >extract the goodies, would subject it to chewing, which, can usually

> >only be done inside a mouth - which is, see above, at least 90 degrees.

> 

> >

> >Mark Wegner wrote:

> >>

> >> Gotta respond..

> >> someone mentioned warm Kava Kava or worse yet, boiling Kava Kava.. this

> >> (heating Kava Kava) absolutely positively destroys the kavalactones, and

> >> if you have no kavalactones, the kava kava is worthless. This is an

> >> absolute fact and not an opinion. You NEVER heat Kava Kava.



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I did not say "subjecting kava to warm temperatures at -all-". YOU MADE

THAT UP, just like you made up the "decoction is the way to go" method

for preparing Kava Kava.  Total B.S.



So.. let me just say this. NEVER boil Kava Kava. As a matter of fact,

don't heat it.. period. It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.  



And to the individual who asked what am I using it for.. well, the

answer would be stress and anxiety. Is there another use for this herb?

You claim there are "many" (YOUR term, not mine). Please name a few and

post URLs to support your claim (and please, no ads that say "kava kava

can increase your memory" or somesuch bs with absolutely no studies

involved).



Also, you claim there are 4 active ingredients OTHER than kavalactones

that "power" the Kava. ;-) Please name these and tell us what effects

they have on the body or mind, and post a URL to document this.



Sorry folks, I just do not want people to have erronious information!

;-)



Mark

(NOT an herbalist, just a regular guy who has actually researched and

used Kava Kava in various forms)



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Mark Wegner wrote:

> 

> I did not say "subjecting kava to warm temperatures at -all-". YOU MADE

> THAT UP,



Sure, sure. If your post hadn't been purged, I would've jumped back to

it, and cut and pasted the entire post, pointing out the lie you just

made. Very sad. For not wanting to start a, "pissing contest" you're

sure doing a good job.





> just like you made up the "decoction is the way to go" method

> for preparing Kava Kava.  Total B.S.



I'm still waiting for the publication in which you stated that

subjecting kava kava to warm/heat will destroy this so called

constitute.



> 

> So.. let me just say this. NEVER boil Kava Kava. As a matter of fact,

> don't heat it.. period. It serves absolutely no purpose whatsoever.



Please post where you found this info. Until you do, I will not take

this seriously. 



> You claim there are "many" (YOUR term, not mine). Please name a few and

> post URLs to support your claim



WHY should ANYONE post URLs that support their claims, when you fail to

post your 'source' after repeated requests? Your claim is unbacked,

unverified, and until proven, false.



> Sorry folks, I just do not want people to have erronious information!

> ;-)



Really? Then I ask for the hundredth time, POST YOUR SOURCE to where you

found this rumoured info. on KavaKava. We're waiting.





> (NOT an herbalist, just a regular guy who has actually researched and

> used Kava Kava in various forms)



If you have actually researched, please post where you read that kava

kava shouldn't be heated.



If this was true, you would think that information would be everywhere.

I have read dozens of Kava publications, by N.D's, M.D.'s, etc. and

-nowhere- do they mention that you shouldn't heat kava kava, in fact,

they SUGGEST you should make a decoction out of it - like most herb

roots, since an infusion doesn't cut it. 



Please don't take this as a flame, but rather, someone who is interested

in you posting your source, so I may investigate further.



-Val



... still waiting for Mark to post his source ...



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OK, I give up. Valerian is right as always.

Just do whatever she says. 



Just one thing.. my post was NOT purged. It is still there. She made up

a quote and attributed it to me.. an outright LIE.  Then to cover her

ass, she claimed it was purged, another outright LIE.



Believe who you want to. But I have not lied. 



I already posted one URL (don't worry it is not purged either) that

states that kavalactones are destroyed by heat. Just do a search on kava

kava. You will find this is COMMON knowledge.. as a matter of fact, this

whole argument is so ludicrous, I will not argue it anymore. But don't

believe me. Research this yourself. 



Sorry it went this far. I am done.



Mark



From lmvine@aol.com Tue May 12 23:00:27 1998

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From: lmvine@aol.com (LMvine)

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Subject: Medicinal Herb Book Recommendation

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I have P.  Ody's book and the medicinal herb FAQ.  Are there other books that

address the making of remedies from fresh herbs that you can recommend? 

Thanks, Dan



From turf@mindspring.com Wed May 13 00:39:26 1998

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From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

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lmvine@aol.com (LMvine) wrote:



>I have P.  Ody's book and the medicinal herb FAQ.  Are there other books that

>address the making of remedies from fresh herbs that you can recommend? 



Michael Tierra's "The Way of Herbs."  It's paperback and 

available in herb shops.   Chevallier's "Encyclopedia of Medicinal

Plants" is useful and also big and pretty, and I found it at a member

warehouse cheap.  Tierra's book has excellent formulas and I highly

recommend it.



turf





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> > turf wrote in message <6jafp4$j6d$1@camel0.mindspring.com>...

> > >lmvine@aol.com (LMvine) wrote:

> > >

> > >>I have P.  Ody's book and the medicinal herb FAQ.  Are there other books

> > that>

> > Michael Tierra's "The Way of Herbs."  It's paperback and

> > >

> > >

> > >warehouse cheap.  Tierra's book has excellent formulas and I highly

> > >recommend it.

> > >

> > >turf

> > >

There's also:  Planetary Herbology, ISBN# 0-941524-27-2 (Michael Tierra)



The Way of Herb's ISBN # is 0-671-72403-7



For serious herbologists, the old-school "Materia Medica" by William

Boericke copyright 1927 is a great reference tool.



http://members.xoom.com/windfire

  ...Art, Metaphysics, Herbology...



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<<For serious herbologists, the old-school "Materia Medica" by William

Boericke copyright 1927 is a great reference tool.>>



Boericke did an herbal materia medica? He did a very famous homeopathic materia

medica which is still in print today. I'm going to have to search for this...



Also, there's King's Dispensatory (spelling??) which has been reprinted by

Eclectic in Oregon. It's expensive but a classic of herbalism.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

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In article <1998051220002700.QAA28845@ladder03.news.aol.com>, lmvine@aol.com

(LMvine) writes:



>

>I have P.  Ody's book and the medicinal herb FAQ.  Are there other books that

>address the making of remedies from fresh herbs that you can recommend? 

>Thanks, Dan



Ody's HOME HERBAL goes even further on making remedies than the COMPLETE

MEDICINAL. 



HERBAL MEDICINE CABINET by Debra St. Claire gives detailed instructions on

various types of preparation. Nice black-and-white photographs as well as lists

of mail order resources for buying bottles, etc. The book was originally

developed for one of the distance learning herbal courses and seems to be used

by several herbal schools.



HERBAL BEAUTY & HEALTH BOOK by Hilary Broddie and HERBAL BODY BOOK by Stephanie

Tourles give dozens of remedies -- although they concentrate on skin creams,

etc., there are some basic remedies as well.



For those into Chinese herbal medicine, CHINESE MEDICINAL TEAS by Zong Xiao-fan

and Gary Liscum covers dozens of formulas. The book is broken into recipes for

specific ailments including respiratory, gastrointestinal, liver & kidney,

cardiovascular, musculoskeletal, metabolic, parasitic, dermatological,

reproductive, pediatric, cancer, and teas for TCM patterns. Although originally

developed for acupuncture practitioners, much of this can work in home use

(especially if you are familiar with TCM herbs). The recipes have been modified

for Western use -- i.e. these are not the real exotic recipes, but those for

herbs readily available in the US or Europe.



Hope that helps,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



From sismith@primenet.com Tue May 12 23:49:01 1998

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From: sismith@primenet.com (Sandra I. Smith)

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Subject: Stress Relief/Management

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Hi Everyone,



I have been interested in alternative medicine and nutrition for a

long time and have enjoyed reading the newsgroup posts.  Now it's my

turn to ask for some help.



I am a writer, and have just been assigned a monthly column on stress

relief in Unfiltered, a magazine that is scheduled to debut this

summer.  Their web page is still under construction, but I believe

the address is http://unfiltered.home.ml.org.  There was also some

information on them at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4168/



Although they aren't related to health, you can find three of my

articles and some info about me at

<http://www.ganoksin.com/kosana/sandra/welcome.htm>



Anyway, I'd appreciate any comments that you might have about what

causes stress for you, how you feel when you're stressed out, and

what, if anything, you do to relieve stress.  If you have family

members or friends who suffer from stress, is there anything you do to

help them overcome it?  



Not all stress is bad.  Do you ever feel what you would call "good"

stress?  Is it helpful to you?



I'm also interested in any stories or comments you would like to share

about stress.



Would you be kind enough to respond to me personally, at

sismith@primenet.com.  Every time I post something to a newsgroup, my

news server goes down, and I never see the posts!



Thanks in advance for your help,



Sandra Smith

sismith@primenet.com

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

       Sandra I. Smith, Writer

        sismith@primenet.com

           Yuma, Arizona

http://www.ganoksin.com/kosana/sandra/welcome.htm

    "Mere ignorance of something does

    not demonstrate its nonexistence."

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>







From bdolph@sprynet.com Thu May 14 06:04:31 1998

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I had developed over time high anxiety, vertigo, and panic attacks.  Very

scarry and depressing.  The conditions was caused by Aspartame poisening.

The doctors do not find this condition, you have to.  I caught it just

before it developed into siezures and possibly brain damage.  This is all

bad stress.  I am now off the Aspartame and my stress dropped of

completely in two to three days.   I had years of chronic stress and

thought it had to do with my type II diabetes, it did not but gives you

similar conditions.  Just in case I am now taking liquid form of the herb

Valarian just before bed, it is great.



Bob Dolph







Sandra I. Smith wrote:



> Hi Everyone,

>

> I have been interested in alternative medicine and nutrition for a

> long time and have enjoyed reading the newsgroup posts.  Now it's my

> turn to ask for some help.

>

> I am a writer, and have just been assigned a monthly column on stress

> relief in Unfiltered, a magazine that is scheduled to debut this

> summer.  Their web page is still under construction, but I believe

> the address is http://unfiltered.home.ml.org.  There was also some

> information on them at http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/4168/

>

> Although they aren't related to health, you can find three of my

> articles and some info about me at

> <http://www.ganoksin.com/kosana/sandra/welcome.htm>

>

> Anyway, I'd appreciate any comments that you might have about what

> causes stress for you, how you feel when you're stressed out, and

> what, if anything, you do to relieve stress.  If you have family

> members or friends who suffer from stress, is there anything you do to

> help them overcome it?

>

> Not all stress is bad.  Do you ever feel what you would call "good"

> stress?  Is it helpful to you?

>

> I'm also interested in any stories or comments you would like to share

> about stress.

>

> Would you be kind enough to respond to me personally, at

> sismith@primenet.com.  Every time I post something to a newsgroup, my

> news server goes down, and I never see the posts!

>

> Thanks in advance for your help,

>

> Sandra Smith

> sismith@primenet.com

> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

>        Sandra I. Smith, Writer

>         sismith@primenet.com

>            Yuma, Arizona

> http://www.ganoksin.com/kosana/sandra/welcome.htm

>     "Mere ignorance of something does

>     not demonstrate its nonexistence."

> <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>









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I need a tincture of Lady Slipper.  Difficult if not impossible to get on

the west coast and not that easy to find on the east coast.  I am a

practicing Hispanic herbalist and use it in various cases of depression. 

Can any one help me?  I have 1/4 ounce left.

Contact C. Garcia at cgarcia@dnai.com

Thanks much.



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On 12 May 1998 21:26:56 GMT, "Lynn Garcia" <lgarcia@dnai.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I need a tincture of Lady Slipper.  Difficult if not impossible to get on

>the west coast and not that easy to find on the east coast.  I am a

>practicing Hispanic herbalist and use it in various cases of depression. 



Please use something else. Lady's Slipper is an orchid that is very hard (if not

impossible) to cultivate, and that has almost disappeared in the wild. So it is

not an herb to be used by herbalists anymore. Nor by anybody else for that

matter.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



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In article <01bd7dec$53525360$1aeeb5cf@default>,

  "Lynn Garcia" <lgarcia@dnai.com> wrote:

>

> I need a tincture of Lady Slipper.  Difficult if not impossible to get on

> the west coast and not that easy to find on the east coast.  I am a

> practicing Hispanic herbalist and use it in various cases of depression.

> Can any one help me?  I have 1/4 ounce left.

> Contact C. Garcia at cgarcia@dnai.com

> Thanks much.

>



I can't help you with a commercial source, and have doubts that you'll find

it commercially. Lady's Slipper is becoming very rare in the wild. In fact,

it may be endangered. Does anyone out there know for sure? I've been looking

for a source for cultivated plants, and even that's not easy.



Lois



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From catesa@rabun.net Wed May 13 00:27:29 1998

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Subject: progesterone & PMS

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Anyone have experience using progesterone to treat PMS?  I'd really

appreciate any experiences you're willing to share.  I've just started using

it for that purpose.



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From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

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Subject: Re: progesterone & PMS

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On Tue, 12 May 1998 21:27:29 GMT, catesa@rabun.net wrote:



>Anyone have experience using progesterone to treat PMS?  I'd really

>appreciate any experiences you're willing to share.  I've just started using

>it for that purpose.



I've been taking progesterone for about 8 years now.  I started taking it

because of an hormonal dysfunction (my body converts progesterone to

androgen).  Though one of the side effects of that process is extreme mood

swings and uncontrollable changes in mood similar to the effects of PMS.

Taking the progesterone really evened me out.  I'm still moody, but not at

all like what I used to be.  I've found it to be very good for me.  But I

don't know if that's the sort of problem you're experiencing, it could be a

completely different condition.



-- 

Siobhan Perricone

Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.

It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight

to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. 

      -Johnny Hart



From THE2JS@bigpond.com Thu May 14 02:08:52 1998

From: "Jenni" <THE2JS@bigpond.com>

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Do you mean the prescription drug or natural progesterone?



I have tried both over the years with good and bad results.



In the drug form I have used both injectables - which totally relieved

my PMS symptoms, but reduced my libido to zero; and tablet form -

which didn't work for me until it was combined with testosterone.

However both forms gave me varying levels of acne.



Since I dislike using drugs, I decided to do a fair bit of study, and, with

my GP's blessing a lot of experimentation.

After about 3 years, I,ve now managed to become 'normal' ( of course this is

debateable! ) by using a combination of wild yam ( dioscorea villosa ) and

sarsparilla (smilax officinalis) which I cycle over the course of the month.



Best of luck



Jenni



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From catesa@rabun.net Fri May 15 05:00:53 1998

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Subject: re: progesterone & PMS

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Jenni,



In article <355a95b3.0@139.134.5.33>,

  "Jenni" <THE2JS@bigpond.com> wrote:

>

> Do you mean the prescription drug or natural progesterone?



natural



> ... sarsparilla (smilax officinalis)



what does this do for you, please?



Thanks,



Amy



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From profwdesk1@aol.com Fri May 15 05:42:07 1998

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I am currently using progesterone cream to treat my synptoms.  I've only used

it a couple of months so far, but my PMS isn't so bad. 

I used to get so moody and was more likely to use my temper

around my PMS time, but during the last 2 cycles, I've been doing

better.  I still get moody and irritable, but it is more manageable.



Read Dr. John Lee's book "What Your Doctor Won't Tell You 

About Menopause".  Even though there is a lot of info on meno-

pause, Dr. Lee also tells how progesterone helps PMS symptoms.



I am also taking St. John's Wort.  Maybe the herb is working in 

synergy with the progesterone, but I have noticed more elevated moods and that

any irritability, PMS related or not, is more manageable.



Lori



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I detect a lot of expertise here and I hesitate to butt in,

but you might also want to read about

Photic Stimulation, a new natural treatment using only light,

which is described in a (non-commercial) report

from the Forest Institute at:



http://www.sonic.net/~forest/photstim.html



It discusses work done on PMS at Hammersmith Hospital in London.



David Noton, PhD

The Forest Institute



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I've got some bee balm plants (Monarda didyma) for which the mail-order

nursery claims "The aromatic leaves make a delicious herbal tea."



How? Muddle the fresh leaves, like a mint julip? Pour hot water over fresh

leaves? Dried? New, small leaves or the more mature, larger ones?



Need some herbal folklore here, folks.



TIA



Norm Wilke







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>How? Muddle the fresh leaves, like a mint julip? Pour hot water over fresh

>leaves? Dried? New, small leaves or the more mature, larger ones?



to make a quart of tea, add 1/4 cup leaves (I use larger ones). Pour

steaming hot water over it. Drink cold or hot. Vary the recipe according to

your tastes, add honey or sugar to sweeten. You can't go wrong unless you

boil the leaves.

Use same recipe for catnip or lemon balm, as well as most other herbs. Bee

balm is a summer favorite! The aroma is very cheerful.



>

>Need some herbal folklore here, folks.



> Lots of that at www.altnature.com



Karen Shelton







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Karen Shelton wrote in message <3558e5fe.0@news.isdn.net>...

>to make a quart of tea, add 1/4 cup leaves (I use larger ones). Pour

>steaming hot water over it. Drink cold or hot. Vary the recipe according to

>your tastes, add honey or sugar to sweeten. You can't go wrong unless you

>boil the leaves.





Karen, I would just add one thing - it's always better when making infusions

from aromatics with highly volatile oils to cover the pot as tightly as

possible during the brewing to keep as much of the compounds in the tea as

possible.



-Rich









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Lots of pharmacy herbs out there...what do you all think?









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True, there are a lot of herbs out there and there are lots of people selling

them including most pharmacies.  I am a pharmacist who is interested in herbs

and have long recommended that people buy herbs from a person who knows what he

is doing (not necessarily a pharmacist).  Find a person who has books or other

information and is willing and able to take up some time with you.  You could

make a mistake just walking into a "mall health food store" seeking factual

information.  In the old days, pharmacists were given much training in

pharmacognosy (which is plant drugs) although most pharmacy schools gradually

got away from it.  It is now coming back to some degree.  Hope this helps.

Billy Williamson , RPH



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In article <35582E31.D0BC6D07@cdh.net>,

AutumnCrystal GreyWing <wicca@cdh.net> wrote:



>Please may I ask why this group is titled folklore. There seems to be

>none posted most of the time. I tend to lurk, but do post questions from

>time to time.



The group is alt.folklore.herbs due to usenet politics at the time

it was created. It was meant originally to be either

sci.herbs.medicinal (or words to that effect) or

rec.gardens.herbs.medicinal.  Both Big 8 hierarchies objected - the

sci.* groups on the grounds that herbalism was sheer superstition:

unproven, untested and unscientific; and the rec.gardens.* groups on

the grounds that it might be confused with rec.gardens.herbs - and

serious gardeners did not want to be confused with the nutcases who

actually believe that herbal medicines might actually work (and

probably in UFOs and space aliens, to boot!).  The only alternative

for those who wished do discuss possible curative values of herbs

was to create a space in the alt.folklore.* hierarchy, which was

done.



alt.folklore.herbs is being put to the use for which it was

originally created, in other words.



Blessed be,

Baird





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Baird Stafford (baird@gate.net)

Modkin, soc.religion.paganism

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Maybe because I also trained as an anthropologist, there is a different spin I

bring to the "folklore" debate.



Hey, folks, we, by our contemporary posts on the subject, are creating our own

"folklore" about herbs. We repeat info found in books, stuff we've heard from

friends and relatives, and other indicators of the exposition of contemporary

folklore. We are folklorists in the making by sharing stuff amongst us "folks".



Nothing says this has to be alt.oldfolklore.herbs.



What more is folklore than info shared by folks? So, everybody be happy, post

anything to do with herbs, we be da folks. ;-)

*************************************************************************

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Organic Gardening + Music writer living and loving life in  Miami

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Nick wrote in message <355970DF.211@mcmail.com>...

>Hey listen you lot,

>

>I don't want any [&*%^$] folklore nonsense blocking out the spam...

>

>;)

>

>Nick





LOL! Ain't that the truth. (Not).  Bring it on!  One of my first herb books

(MANY years ago) was a "digest" of selected writings by the English

herbal/astrological physician Culpepper.  This stuff is often dismissed

these days as pure nonsense, but largely it's a matter of whether the cart

precedes the horse or not.  I found that, in many cases, the astrological

connection was just a means of codifying the properties of herbs, not of

prediction their effects like the old doctrine of signatures.  Like, if an

herb was stimulating or "hot", Culpepper would say it was under the

influence of Saturn or whatever - but it was really more of a way of helping

to remember and group the properties, not a lot of hocus-pocus.  He was just

using the common language of the day, in effect, to make the use of herbs

more understandable to the common man.



-Rich









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In article <6jd2gb$m4v@obi-wan.fdt.net>, "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

writes:



>Like, if an

>herb was stimulating or "hot", Culpepper would say it was under the

>influence of Saturn or whatever - but it was really more of a way of helping

>to remember and group the properties, not a lot of hocus-pocus.  He was just

>using the common language of the day, in effect, to make the use of herbs

>more understandable to the common man.



This is a really good point and one worth arguing with your local scientists if

you're so inclined. I feel the same could be applied to traditional Chinese

medicine, with its long discussions of yin/yang, hot/cold, etc. It's a way to

codify a large body of evidence concerning the effectiveness of a particular

treatment as well as drawing correlations, reasonable hypothesis, etc. One of

the major drawbacks of adapting TCM into Western medicine has been the lack of

a common language. As this develops, we'll find Western doctors more accepting

of "outside" practices.



Just remember, one person's folklore is another person's ethnobotany.  



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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Sorry disturbing you, but I think the difference between TCM and Western

medicine and Western way of using herbs is not the herbs or the language we

use.   It is the way of thinking (way of discrimination in the use herbs

and  in diagnosis).   Most people here emphasize on the effectiveness of

using particular herbs on particular symptoms only.   Sometimes it work and

sometimes not, therefore there is a lot of you can try this, you can try

that - do you know why because they are not taking the background of the

symptoms into account.  What is the background?  It is the physical

condition of patient at that moment.   Yin/Yang, Cold/hot, etc.  is just

like high blood pressure/low blood pressure they are just the concepts used

to understand the status of health.  TCM emphasize equally on the

background and also the symptoms.  The matching of herbs to the patient is

not only limited to the symptoms but also to the background.   For example,

headaches can be caused by the imbalence of internal factor or external

factor, etc.  We cannot give the patient an Aspirin and end the story.  

Maybe it will work for a while but after that the headaches come back.   

There is a lot in Western Med. that I don't understand but this is not the

best part in me.    I 'm sure there is other TCM practitioners like me

trying to improve their understanding on the things and theories ignorant.

Best Regards

Y.K. Law



HealingPgs <healingpgs@aol.com> gJDD

<1998051418454200.OAA19479@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> In article <6jd2gb$m4v@obi-wan.fdt.net>, "Richard Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

> writes:



> This is a really good point and one worth arguing with your local

scientists if

> you're so inclined. I feel the same could be applied to traditional

Chinese

> medicine, with its long discussions of yin/yang, hot/cold, etc. It's a

way to

> codify a large body of evidence concerning the effectiveness of a

particular

> treatment as well as drawing correlations, reasonable hypothesis, etc.

One of

> the major drawbacks of adapting TCM into Western medicine has been the

lack of

> a common language. As this develops, we'll find Western doctors more

accepting

> of "outside" practices.

> 

> Just remember, one person's folklore is another person's ethnobotany.  

> 

> Regards,

> Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

> e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

> http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

> 



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Just adding my two cents in but a big difference between western medicine and

traditional Chinese medicine along with other ethnic traditional treatments is

that they include the mind, soul and spirit in their treatments.  They see

treating just the physical symptoms without treating the mental and  emotional

effects as treating only half of the problem.  Western medicine has seperated

these two and tries to treat them seperately.



Richard Ogden wrote:



> yklaw wrote in message <01bd7ff8$d39de800$71c152ca@default>...

> >Sorry disturbing you, but I think the difference between TCM and Western

> >medicine and Western way of using herbs is not the herbs or the language we

> >use.   It is the way of thinking (way of discrimination in the use herbs

> >and  in diagnosis.

>

> <Much informative info removed>

>

> Very well put!  One of the things I find disturbing at times in the West is

> a tendency to use herbs based strictly on one or two immediate symptoms

> without uncovering the root causes of a disorder.  I suppose this is the

> result of the constant exposure to media messages telling us to take a pill

> for this, a pill for that.  I am not totally comfortable with some of the

> traditional Chinese methods of diagnosis, in part because they demand so

> much art on the part of the practitioner, and in part because I would really

> like to see more of the Western diagnostic tools put to use.  Some I know

> already have been used by some practitioners - things like instruments to

> measure electrical potentials or resistance, as an indicator of movement or

> blockage of energies in the body.  But there are also a wide range of blood

> chemistry tests that could be used to help focus the diagnosis, only

> requiring cooperation between skilled TCM doctors and western-trained

> technicians to open up a whole new avenue to healing.  It's just a matter of

> observation, of correlating the symptoms and traditional diagnostic tests

> with blood chemistry changes, temperature changes, etc.

>

> -Rich









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I agree with you completely.  Western Medicine and herbalists have a lot

to learn from more established healing ways like TCM and Ayruveda.  May

the healing continue.



Emily









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In article <355A17CF.E94@popeye.latrobe.edu.au>,

Maryanne & Puck <acrgmp@popeye.latrobe.edu.au> wrote:



<snip>



>Out of curiosity then - as it's something I'm interested in, and the

>original reason I started lurking here then - is this the newsgroup to

>actually discuss herbal folklore?  Or does doing so tread on toes

>(understandable if the original intent of the group was medicinal only)

>and is there somewhere else more appropriate?



To the best of my knowledge, herbal folklore is not off topic.  In

point of fact, I've seen articles on actual folklore provoke some

very interesting discussions. And it's probably an excellent place

to check the folklore against scientific research.



In point of fact, even discussions of the "magickal" uses of herbs

would more than likely be on topic - though those discussions

generally take place on the magickal and pagan newsgroups.  (For

those who have not found them, alt.magick - and don't forget the

final "k" or you'll wind up among the illusionists and

prestidigitators - alt.pagan, alt.religion.wicca and

soc.religion.paganism are the most widely distributed of these

groups.)



Blessed be,

Baird



--

Baird Stafford (baird@gate.net)

Modkin, soc.religion.paganism

We, the Person - <http://www.gate.net/~baird/person> update every Wednesday



From cjsimon@nospam.ucsd.edu Wed May 13 13:36:14 1998

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From: Cindy Simon <cjsimon@nospam.ucsd.edu>

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Hello all,



I've just begun making my own soaps and cosmetic products at home using

herbal and other natural ingredients.  I am very much enjoying the

information I'm receiving by lurking on this newsgroup.



One ingredient I've been unsuccessfully searching for is tincture of

benzoin.  Does anyone know where it might be found, what brand name,

etc?  I've heard it might be the main ingredient in a substance althetes

use to make their feet tougher.



Thanks in advance.  If you would like to email me a response, please

remove the "nospam" from my address above.  Otherwise, I'll be checking

the newsgroup regularly.



Cindy





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Cindy Simon <cjsimon@nospam.ucsd.edu> wrote:



>One ingredient I've been unsuccessfully searching for is tincture of

>benzoin. 

Try a pharmacy - it's the alcoholic extract of a resin, and often

used in medical preparations.







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My local health food store sells it in 1oz packets(or more if you ask) so you

can make yout own tincture.



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Tincture of benzoin is used in hospitals as a skin adherent. Makes dressings

stay in place and protects the skin. You might try a surgical supply store or

pharmacy



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On Wed, 13 May 1998 10:36:14 +0000, Cindy Simon

<cjsimon@nospam.ucsd.edu> wrote:



>One ingredient I've been unsuccessfully searching for is tincture of

>benzoin.  Does anyone know where it might be found, what brand name,

>etc? 



Hi,



It's also called Friar's Balsam...you may have more luck asking for it

by that name.



 If you still can't find it, you can substitute Vitamin E as a

preservative in most creams and salves...get the liquid oil capsules.



Good luck,

Elaine



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I was driving and heard the end of a piece on NPR about companies that

are obtaining patents on what they say are the active ingredients in

plants.  I was quite surprised by this, and I was hoping that someone

reading this list might have more information.

	Specifically they mentioned the G.R. Grace Company (?) patenting the

active ingredient in an Indian plant or tree called Neem.  The news

story was about the controversy surrounding this and the Indian

objection to an outside company profiting from what they consider is one

of their natural resources.

	Any comments or information?

	Maureen



From dolsson@ibm.net Thu May 14 01:09:50 1998

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Is anybody using alfalfa for medical reasons?  If so, for what and is it

working.



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I have been for a few years now. I've been using it for the vast

nutrients it provides. It's a wonderful blood builder. Who needs

vitamins when you have alfalfa and other vitamin packed herbs?



-Val

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danny wrote:

> 

> Is anybody using alfalfa for medical reasons?  If so, for what and is it

> working.



From dolsson@ibm.net Fri May 15 00:21:29 1998

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Valerian wrote:

> 

> I have been for a few years now. I've been using it for the vast

> nutrients it provides. It's a wonderful blood builder. Who needs

> vitamins when you have alfalfa and other vitamin packed herbs?

> 

> -Val

> ===

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> danny wrote:

> >

> > Is anybody using alfalfa for medical reasons?  If so, for what and is it

> > working.



What form are you taking alfalfa.  And if I may so bold, what "dosage"



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> What form are you taking alfalfa.  And if I may so bold, what "dosage"



Tincture form - about 10-20 drops once per day. Twice daily, if I feel a

cold coming on.



-Val

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I use it for the natural Vitamin K content in it. I tend to bleed =

heavily after giving birth, so I begin taking it 6 weeks before I am =

due. I did this with my last pregnancy and am currently using it now. I =

had a separation gush with my last birth, but it stopped itself within a =

couple of seconds and began to clot. I only used the alfalfa with that =

pregnancy.

I'm using it with this pregnancy also, but I am also using a mixture of =

Red Raspberry, Nettles and Red Clover also.

I have hemorrhaged with childbirth before, so I do believe that the =

alfalfa has made a difference. Also, with previous pregnancies, I didn't =

know about herbs and alternatives, so there could be other factors =

involved, such as difference in lifestyle and nutrition.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



danny wrote in message <355A1A2E.16B6@ibm.net>...

>Is anybody using alfalfa for medical reasons?  If so, for what and is =

it

>working.





From cybernt@premiernet.net Thu May 14 03:17:07 1998

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How effectiveis Saw Palmetto in preventing and/or reversing hairloss.



Thanks,



Jason



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On Wed, 13 May 1998 20:26:36 -0500, "D. Hagmeier-Ekborg"

<hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:



>Hello Jason,  I can answer your question.  Yes Sundown Herbalas sold at

>Wal-Mart are very good.  The company that makes them is Rexall

>International.  Do you remembear the Rexall drug stores.



(one humongous snip)



This is just spam and hype.  I was a customer of Sundown from Day One.

They were unbeatable in their prices and quality. Then came along the

Big Corporation Rexall. We got higher prices, lost free shipping, and

the company quit honoring back orders.



Look at their herbs. Most of them say to take 'one' a day instead of

the minimum of six necessary. That way a customer is deluded into

thinking that 60 capsule bottle is a two month supply when in reality

it is a 10 day supply.



Look at their Bilberry. It is a pathetic 4 to 1 extract containing 40

mg of extract (mg is a weight, not a strength). My brand, bought at

Winn Dixie Foods is a 100 to 1 extract containing 80 mgs of extract.

That makes my brand 50 times stronger per capsule. Where's the value?



As to Rexall products, my ophthalmologist (a health nut) also sells

Rexall products. I don't buy from him as I would choke on the pills

thinking how much I paid for them.



People are a lot better off going to a local health food store or

getting catalogs from good companies like Vitamin Shoppe or L&H

Vitamins. They should also learn to read labels-they tell you a lot.



/SC





_ _ _



The Old Man and the C:\



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I would suggest you find a local herb shop, or mail order [for bulk

herbs], In Harmony Herbs & Spices is an excellent one (link to their web

site listed below). The trouble with the capsule/tablet herbs you find

in stores such as walmart is, they have been sitting around somewhere in

a wherehouse for who knows how long. Also, who knows how long it took to

ship these herbs? In Harmony's herbs come smelling and tasting like they

were just harvested, the freshest i've ever seen from a mail order

company. If you insist on taking herbs in capsule form, they sell bulk

capsules, and encapsule kits. 



When you compare, you get more for your money as well, with bulk dried

herbs vs. capsules you find in a department store.



-Val



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Jason C wrote:

> 

> Is Sundown Herbals (sold at Wal-Mart) a good supplement company.  What

> companies would you suggest?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Jason



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"D. Hagmeier-Ekborg" <hagmeier@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu> wrote:



>Rexall, also has a

>multi-level marketing plan that their use for Rexall Internatioal.  This  

>branch has other herbals that are not sold over the counter.

And this branch has distributors who have SPAMMED my email box

more times than I care to recall!  It's MLM, and it's just

another health ripoff.  





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Garlic is supposed to have a good effect on high blood pressure.

I am using Kyolic Brand and feel that it helps.



Howard



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Does anyone know where I can find some that have not been sprayed or damaged

with pesticide?  Perhaps a mail order seed catalog?



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Horizon Herbs sell Kudzu (Pueraria lobata) seeds, 30 for $2.25. Here's a

page that links to their site:



http://members.xoom.com/dbasement/index.htm



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KayeWest wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know where I can find some that have not been sprayed or damaged

> with pesticide?  Perhaps a mail order seed catalog?



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From: "Stephen W. Anderson" <aws@rockymountnc.com>

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Uhm ... do you mean that if one of the seeds falls out the window onto the

ground it may grow overnight and strangle the whole family to death? Yes,

don't you just hate when that happens?



-- 



Stephen W. Anderson in Rocky Mount, NC

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WL Sakowski <wl-ski@gratisnet.com> wrote in article

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> ...   Personally, I'd want to know

> where you live and what you intended them for (as they

> might be dangerous for those around you, given the

> right setting   :)





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While I have never actually heard of it happening, it is not beyond belief

that you could get shot by a neighbor for planting Kudzu, especially in

places where eradication efforts are a full time job, and often only result

in a sort of standoff.  I am well aware of Kudzu's potential as a medicine

and it's use as a food, livestock browse, source of fiber, etc., but that

may not be enough to justify planting it in the South unless you are

absolutely committed to caring for it in perpetuity (I mean, keeping it

under control, never letting it form seed, etc.)  The seed are carried to

new locations by wildlife, and the resulting wild kudzu patches as well as

those formerly planted (as an erosion control, usually) and then abandoned

at old farms have destroyed thousands of acres of wildlife habitat across

the Southeastern U.S. and continue to do so.



The same thing is happening in south Florida with another well-known

species - the Australian native Tea Tree.  People plant these exotics either

out of curiosity, for personal use, or with the idea of starting a new

business, and then let them go when they loose interest, move, or realize

they are not going to get rich by planting a few seeds.  Remember Jack and

the beanstalk?  It really happens...and unlike in the story, the Giant (who

turns out to be green and very invasive) crushes Jack and all his neighbors,

destroys ecosystems, causes the extermination of wildlife species, and ends

up costing millions of dollars in usually-unsuccessful attempts at control.



-Rich



Stephen W. Anderson wrote in message <01bd8006$0410a240$59e4c9cf@swa>...

>Uhm ... do you mean that if one of the seeds falls out the window onto the

>ground it may grow overnight and strangle the whole family to death? Yes,

>don't you just hate when that happens?

>

>Stephen W. Anderson in Rocky Mount, NC

>(To reply or mail, change the left side of the header address from "aws" to

>"swa".)

>

>WL Sakowski <wl-ski@gratisnet.com> wrote in article

><wgcid$1$g170$h302$i10$j366fedf5@gratisnet.com>...

>> ...   Personally, I'd want to know

>> where you live and what you intended them for (as they

>> might be dangerous for those around you, given the

>> right setting   :)









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In article <35673B33.2DFF496C@home.com>,

  Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:

> Kudzu.. I know this is invasive.. but is this herb also a thorny one?

> I'm trying to track down which one I recently heard about that was

> invasive & had poison spines on it.



Definitely invasive and very difficult to eradicate, but not thorny.



Stephen W. Anderson

  Rocky Mount, NC



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As a native Southerner, I am quite familiar (personally, to make it plain)

with kudzu and its problems. As an American, I am quite familiar with the

necessity of having had to learn to live with the humorless and Marvin the

Robot populations modern society breeds.



But kudzu victimization as a social sensitivity concern? That's a new one on

me. It also has to be one to take the cake. My hat's off to you, sir! I have

never seen the like of this before.





Stephen W. Anderson

  Rocky Mount, NC





In article <wgcid$1$g170$h302$i10$j37ab8f4e@gratisnet.com>,

  wl-ski@gratisnet.com (WL Sakowski) wrote:

> There's no 'smiley' here, but I'm going to take this as a sad

> attempt at humor.  This is no laughing matter for anyone

> who has ever had any dealings with this stuff!  No matter

> what the intentions, this stuff can bring heartache!



(etc., etc.)



> ...  Sorry, but wouldn't be  a

> joking matter if it was a *personal* experience.  :(



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Nah, neither poisonous nor thorny, though I suppose some people might find

the hairs on the vine irritating (I've never heard of anyone who has,

though).  The biggest problems with walking around in kudzu patches are that

they are quite often found in conjunction with poison ivy, and of course

they are excellent cover for snakes.  Also, since it is virtually impossible

to see your feet while walking through kudzu (and since a lot of kudzu was

originally planted to cover eroded areas) you risk turning an ankle or

falling into a ravine.



-Rich



> Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 21:07:10 GMT

> Subject: Re: Kuzu (also known as Kudzu) seed pods

> From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

> Kudzu.. I know this is invasive.. but is this herb also

> a thorny one? I'm trying to track down which one I

> recently heard about that was invasive & had poison

> spines on it.









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>  Can you say exactly how these "babies" are produced?  Seed?  Do



I recently purchased 20 Stevia (stevia rebaudiana) seeds for $3.50 USd

from Horizon Herbs (address & website listed below). While the

instructions in the catalog were minimal, here is what it said under

Stevia:



Tender Perennial shrub. Stevia leaf is 250 times sweeter than sugar, and

is free of calories. Traditionally, the plant is used for treating

hypoglycemia, healing wounds and as a digestive aid. Stevia is a new

world genus, hailing originally from Paraguay, and Brazil. It grows

perennially in the Southern United States, and may be grown as an annual

in the rest of temperate North America.



Cultivation: Extra care. Sow seed in very light mix in greenhouse.

Transplant seedlings to the garden after the soil has thoroughly warmed

up. Usually does not make viable seed in the North, so ours has been

sourced directly from a family grower in Brazil.



> they just pop up on their own like an Aloe plant? (The mother plant with Aloe  doesn't die, I know.)



If what the other guy said was correct, then they spread by stolons,

much like mint... a tuber that runs from the parent plant underground,

and pokes up nearby, forming a baby plant, while still attached via

underground 'stolon'. 



I've read little, but my stevia seedlings have already emerged. Perhaps

i'll post more when they decide to seed/spread.



And, finally:



Horizon Herbs (mail order):



(if you write them w/ SASE, they MAY be able to tell you more on growing

stevia, or hit their webpage, and send them some e-mail)



P.O. Box 69, Williams, OR 97544-0069

Phone (541)846-6704



Link to their homepage:



http://members.xoom.com/dbasement/index.htm





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Valerian wrote:

> 

> Here's the page that links to their site:

> http://members.xoom.com/dbasement/index.htm



Just go directly to their site:

http://hippy.com/harmony.htm



Great folks!

-- 

Rick Blanchard, San Diego, CA

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Anyone here have personal experience with growing Shiitake mushrooms?

I'm about to order a grower's kit. Before I do, I'm curious to see if

they're very difficult to grow, and what some warning signs may be, if

they appear to be going, 'bad'. Thanks!



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I've had a little experience with the sawdust based shiitake blocks. 

They aren't that difficult to "grow"; actually, most of the growing has

been done before they get to the consumer.  The fruiting trails off over

time and can be sporadic.  Don't let them dry out too much.  Keeping

them moist will lead to growth of black or green stuff on the surface,

but usually this is not a problem.  Also, real hot weather is not good.

Occasional cool periods will trigger flushes of mushrooms.  



As long as the mushrooms themselves look healthy, everything should be

ok.  Eventually they will dwindle in number and in quality, and then its

time to compost the blocks. 



Jonathan 







Valerian wrote:

> 

> Anyone here have personal experience with growing Shiitake mushrooms?

> I'm about to order a grower's kit. Before I do, I'm curious to see if

> they're very difficult to grow, and what some warning signs may be, if

> they appear to be going, 'bad'. Thanks!

> 

> -Val

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Jonathon's answer is a good one.  Let me add acouple of points.  



The green or black (or pink or orange etc.) stuff is usually a

contaminating mold of one sort or another.  When you are growing a

single block for home use, just be sure the contaminant has not spread

onto the mushroom itself.  In commercial production, contaminated blocks

are quickly removed from the grow room because the contaminants can

spread easily to other blocks and they do reduce the yields of

mushrooms.  Your kit should come with instructions.  Follow them to

reduce the chance of contamination.



In addition to molds, bacteria can also attack your kit.  These are not

so obvious.  If your mushrooms are firm without a 'bacterial sheen' you

should have no problem.  By the way,  mushrooms are very good at

defending themselves from these kinds of contaminants, especially if the

environmental conditions you provide are satisfactory.  It is unlikely

you will have a problem.  



Good luck with your kit!  It will be great fun and you are guaranteed to

learn a lot about the world of mushrooms!



-Jerry-

-- 

Jerry Haugen

The Mushroom Growers' Newsletter

P.O. Box 5065

Klamath Falls, OR 97601

USA

MycoWrld@cdsnet.net

http://www.cdsnet.net/Business/mushroom/





> >After Valerian, Jonathan Byron wrote (among other things):

. .  .

> time and can be sporadic.  Don't let them dry out too much.  Keeping

> them moist will lead to growth of black or green stuff on the surface,

> but usually this is not a problem.  Also, real hot weather is not good.

> Occasional cool periods will trigger flushes of mushrooms.

> 

> As long as the mushrooms themselves look healthy, everything should be

> ok.  Eventually they will dwindle in number and in quality, and then its

> time to compost the blocks.



First, Valerian wrote (among other things):

> >

> > Anyone here have personal experience with growing Shiitake mushrooms?

> > I'm about to order a grower's kit. 

...



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Hi all,



I purchased Jojoba seeds from Richter's a few months back.  They're doing

wonderfully...much better than I had even hoped for.  In about two more weeks

they will be completely air-pruned and I need to know how best to cultivate and

grow it.  I figure it likes a rather sandy soil and a warm spot outside in the

summer.  I'm in New England so it's a tender perennial here and I will keep it

inside during the cooler months.



My question are:

How big does it get?

How large of a container should I put them in?  I have four of them growing

nicely.  Will they all be ok in the same container?

They seem to be doing just fine with the amount of water I'm currently giving

them...will they like a lot or a little water as they get bigger?



Any help is greatly appreciated.



Thanks

Beth

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redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04) wrote:



>I purchased Jojoba seeds from Richter's a few months back.  They're doing

>wonderfully...much better than I had even hoped for.  In about two more weeks

>they will be completely air-pruned and I need to know how best to cultivate and

>grow it. 



Red - 

  It grows wild in the desert in Arizona - 15-125 degrees F is

the range. Give it the HOTTEST south-facing spot you can find,

and the BRIGHTEST indoor spot you have, or send it to a friend's

greenhouse for the winter.

  Treat them like a potted rosemary (which grows well as a

landscape plant in Phoenix) and you'll probably do OK.



>My question are:

>How big does it get?

  Under ideal conditions (Phoenix, with some summer water, 3-4

feet high and 8-10 wide). You will not get that size.  You will

have a bonsai if they live.



>How large of a container should I put them in?  I have four of them growing

>nicely.  Will they all be ok in the same container?

  Treat them like any pot plant - one to a pot, and repot when

crowded.



>They seem to be doing just fine with the amount of water I'm currently giving

>them...will they like a lot or a little water as they get bigger?

  They will ROT if they get too much - let the soil dry almost

completely between waterings, then soak.





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Know of any sources of fresh astragulas root in the Pacific Northwest? 

What about mail order from elsewhere in the USA?



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Chervil plants I planted last summer in pots are going to seed, and I'd

like to find out the best way and time to gather the seeds.  It's a

Winter Brussel strain of seeds that's slow to bolt in hot weather.  



Thanks!



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On Thu, 14 May 1998 13:19:35 -0700, michelle

<mcwright@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>Chervil plants I planted last summer in pots are going to seed, and I'd

>like to find out the best way and time to gather the seeds.  It's a

>Winter Brussel strain of seeds that's slow to bolt in hot weather.  

>

>Thanks!



Hi,



I don't know that chervil needs any special treatment. Most seed

should be harvested once the flowerhead dies back. The seed itself

should look dark and full (not green or thin). The easiest way to

harvest most small seed is to cut the whole flowerhead and some stem

off the plant, then hang it upside down in a paper bag. As the plant

dries out the seed will fall into the bag and presto! it's collected.

Chervil seeds are viable for about a year if stored in a cool dry dark

place.



Elaine



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What's the best way to make a SJW tinctures?  What ingredients (liquid)

should I use?



Thanks!



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michelle <mcwright@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>What's the best way to make a SJW tinctures?  What ingredients (liquid)

>should I use?

  A tincture is, by definition, an alcoholic extract.  Extracts

made by soaking the herb in COLD water are infusions, and hot

water produces teas.

  Teas and infusions are just as effective as tinctures, and

easier to make.  If any says otherwise, just ask them where the

ancients got the pure alcohol do make the tinctures with.

Distilling wine into pure alcohol is a relatively modern

accomplishment.  I especiallly find the "tincture of echinacea"

laughable, because it was used by the Amerinds before the

Europeans arrived with alcohol.



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On 14 May 1998 18:46:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>michelle <mcwright@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>

>>What's the best way to make a SJW tinctures?  What ingredients (liquid)

>>should I use?



>  A tincture is, by definition, an alcoholic extract.  Extracts

>made by soaking the herb in COLD water are infusions, and hot

>water produces teas.

>  Teas and infusions are just as effective as tinctures, and

>easier to make.  If any says otherwise, just ask them where the

>ancients got the pure alcohol do make the tinctures with.

>Distilling wine into pure alcohol is a relatively modern

>accomplishment.  I especiallly find the "tincture of echinacea"

>laughable, because it was used by the Amerinds before the

>Europeans arrived with alcohol.



Huh. Problem is, the Amerinds had access to fresh root; how many of us do now?

They chewed on the root; you get all constituents out of the root that way. It

isn't too easy to chew the dry root, but you can try...   A lot of other olde

root medicines can just be chewed, preferably fresh.

Tinctures preserve the herb and make it easy to use it. In a lot of cases you

get better results extracting the herb in alcohol (or in a alcohol/water

mixture) rather than just in water; this of course depends on the constituents

of the plant in question.

So when you laugh at tinctures you laugh at the sophistication of herb usage

that the Eclectics developed over their 150 years of prime, up to the 1930's.

You should know that the things we use herbs for now are, to a large degree,

based on their sophistication.



So. To the original question, how to make a tincture of St.John's wort:

1 part fresh flowers / flowering tops, 2 parts 95 % alcohol, by weight.

1 part dry flowers / flowering tops, 5 parts 70 % alcohol (the rest is water),

by weight.

Crush dried herb or cut up fresh herb; put into glass jar. Pour alcohol or

alcohol/water mixture over, put lid on tightly. Let steep for 10 days; shake

occasionally. Strain, bottle, label.



St.John's wort is one of the few plants that won't yield half as good a result

from percolation, in my experience. I might repeat my experiments just to see if

it was just the herbs I had picked, or if it really was the extraction method.

Then again, I might not - I get plenty good medicine this way.



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From mcwright@worldnet.att.net Fri May 15 16:51:08 1998

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ma pickle wrote:

> 

> Here's how I make SJW tincture:

> 

> Harvest the fresh flowering tops (with good intentions and a gift of

> cornmeal) on a DRY day.  You want those just before bloom. Try not to get

> too much leaf.  They may have beetles which I shake off.

> 

> Then I get out the blender.  I mis the herb with 40% Evercleer grain alcohol

> 60% distilled water until the mixture has the consistency of runny

> applesauce.  Place in a jar (I use a quart canning jar)  Place ina dark spot

> (cupboard) and shake daily.  (You may also chant, sing, pray etc as you

> shake the tincture if you wish).  Let herbs soak in the menstrum (alc/water

> mix) for 2 weeks.  (I used to do 6 weeks but 2 weeks is the latest teaching

> I have received).  Strain through cheesecloth or unbleached coffee filter (I

> use a jelly bag) then bottle indark bottles.



Thanks!  Approximately how much do you use of each?  I have a 6" pot of

SJW I planted from seed last summer, and I'm not sure if I have enough.



From bludragon@voyager.net Fri May 15 01:32:55 1998

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Does anyone know of herbal treatments that are helpful to those who are

allergic to cats, but who want to be around them anyway???  Would like

to avoid MD, allergists, shots, etc., etc.



Any thoughts would be appreciated.



--

bluDragon }:=8)

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bluDragon <bludragon@voyager.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know of herbal treatments that are helpful to those who are

>allergic to cats, but who want to be around them anyway???  Would like



  Try echinacea - start with the full dose recommended on the

bottls, and decrease after a couple of weeks to 1/2 to 1/3 the

recommended and keep taking it.  I've found that it decreases my

allergic symptoms (major mold allergy that should have me totally

disabled in a rainy year is barely bothering me) without

diminishing my ability to fight infections.





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bluDragon <bludragon@voyager.net> writes: > Does anyone know of herbal treatments that are helpful to those who are

> allergic to cats, but who want to be around them anyway???  Would like

> to avoid MD, allergists, shots, etc., etc.

> 

> Any thoughts would be appreciated.

> 

> --

> bluDragon }:=8)

> AOL IM "bludraagon"

> ICQ# 8367016

>   http://my.voyager.net/bludragon

> Meddle not in the Affairs of Dragons

> For you are crunchy, and good with mustard

> 

> 





Hi to all!

bluDragon, I have heard that bee pollen has helped reduce  

allergic reactions in some people. It might be worth a try



                      Jerry, in good health (through herbs )

                      jsmith@en.com 



From jamie@bozo.local.net Fri May 15 19:52:05 1998

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michelle <mcwright@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>bluDragon wrote:

>> 

>> Does anyone know of herbal treatments that are helpful to those who are

>> allergic to cats, but who want to be around them anyway???  Would like

>> to avoid MD, allergists, shots, etc., etc.



Are you living with or planning to live with someone who has a cat?



The most effective things are to 1) close the cat out of the bedroom, 2)

always wash your hands after touching the cat,  3) have the cat bathed

every few weeks, to remove the dander, and the saliva on his hair, which

are the main allergens.



If you can't close the cat out of the bedroom, running an air

filter in there can help somewhat.



You do eventually build up some tolerance to the particular cat

that you live with, even though you could still have bad symptoms

being around any other cat.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."



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Here is an article I have on Detoxification and Healing Crisis. It was =

written by my Naturopath.

Essiac is the brand name.



UNDERSTANDING THE SYMPTOMS OF DETOXIFICATION

It is vital that you understand and properly interpret the symptoms and

changes that may occur when beginning a wellness and nutritional =

program.

This refers to using foods and supplements of a higher quality to =

replace

the lower quality foods and supplements that have been a part of your =

diet.

The closer a food comes to the natural state in which it grows, the =

higher

is its quality. The amino acids, minerals, vitamins, trace elements,

carbohydrates, and "vitality" are present and synergistic. This =

"vitality"

is capable of reproducing healthy tissue. The body has the ability to =

repair

itself if it receives the necessary rest and nutrition it needs.



The quality of a wellness program is also improved by omitting toxic

substances such as coffee, tea, sugar, soda pop, chocolate, alcohol, =

salt,

black pepper, etc. When the use of  stimulants is stopped, the =

withdrawal

registers in the mind as a decrease in energy. This period lasts about =

seven

days and is followed by an increase in strength, vitality, relaxation, =

and

greater well-being. During this healing phase, the body's energy aids =

the

internal organs to begin reconstruction. Weakness felt during this time =

is

not true weakness, but rather the prioritization of energy to the repair =

of

vital internal organs. It is important not to waste energy but to rest =

and

sleep more. This is a crucial period, and if you use stimulants of any =

kind,

you will abort the healing and detoxification processes of your body. It =

is

important to have patience and wait it out. When this healing period is =

over

you will have increased strength which will far exceed the way you felt

before you began the program.



You may wonder, "Why if I am detoxifying, do I feel like I'm getting =

worse?"

You must understand that your body must go through cleansing and

detoxification. It is throwing out poisons using the energy it has saved

from the hard-to-digest meals you have discontinued. Removing these =

toxins

can prevent you from developing degenerating diseases. During this

detoxification, colds, fever, or flu symptoms may occur. This is your =

body's

natural way of cleansing. You must understand that this phenomenon is

positive even though it is unpleasant at the moment.

Cooperate with your body by not using drugs to stop the cleansing =

process.

They may make you feel better but they do it by driving the toxins back =

into

the tissues. Get some rest instead and have no fear.

Your body is efficiently healing itself. You may experience some =

unpleasant

symptoms at first such as headaches in the beginning, your skin may =

break

out, there is commonly a period of bowel sluggishness or diarrhea, =

usually

these are periods when you will feel fatigued. You may also experience

anxiety, irritability, or mental depression. Your body needs a lot of =

rest

at this time, so get as much as you can. The majority of people find =

these

reactions tolerable so just hang in there and be patient. There are some

techniques which you can use to lessen your discomfort, be sure to ask =

about

them if you have unpleasant symptoms.



When there is a pile-up of waste matter in the body, the immune system =

may

decide that it is time to clean up. It will provoke a cold or some other

mucus discharge to flush out the toxins, calling in an army of white =

blood

cells to help dispose of the stuff. Cleanup reactions are adjustments by =

the

body to keep itself whole and functioning. This cleansing action is =

often

referred to as a healing crisis.

A great deal of toxins can be pulled out of the body's tissues and put =

back

into the circulation in order to be eliminated. During this process,

uncomfortable symptoms may occur, such as: fatigue, aches and pains, =

skin

discharges, unusual sweating and body odor, frequent urination, diarrhea =

or

constipation, fever or a feeling of coldness, and mental depression or

irritability, among others.

The healing crises usually lasts from a few hours to a few days, =

sometimes

longer. The healthier one's condition, the fewer symptoms there will be. =

The

more the body has to clean up, the harder and longer will be the =

cleansing

side effects. They will also be more pronounced if the change in diet is

abrupt, and less so if it is gradual.

A healing crisis comes right after a person is feeling their best, =

usually

following a positive change in their lifestyle-- a better diet, a

high-quality food supplement, giving up a toxic vice such as alcohol or

tobacco, or beginning a wellness program. There is a feeling of =

well-being

at the core during the healing crisis. Deep down inside it feels OK, =

while a

sickness feels definitely wrong. Each healing crisis is followed by

increased vitality and a greater feeling of well-being.



It is difficult for people, used to having symptoms eradicated by

medications, to understand a process that removes toxins rather than =

covers

symptoms, and one that may make them feel worse for awhile in the =

process.

Most people's experience with conventional medicine do not prepare them =

to

understand the healing crisis. The focus of Western medicine first and

foremost is to "cure" the disease by relieving  the symptoms and thereby

removing the discomfort. The medications used for this practice do so by

aborting the cleansing function of the body and only drive the toxins =

deeper

into the tissues. In the effort to relieve the patient's symptoms the =

real

causes of the patient's condition are overlooked. A healing crisis helps =

one

obtain health by removing toxins which is opposite of the conventional

medical philosophy. The phenomenon of the healing crisis and =

detoxification

in general are not topics included in the standard medical texts or =

anywhere

else in the education of most doctors.

Minor ailments are commonly driven deeper into the body through the use =

of

drug therapy, which acts to suppress symptoms and weakens the body's =

defense

mechanisms. For instance, a cortisone ointment used for a skin condition =

may

clear up the symptoms, but later a more serious problem may occur, such =

as

asthma. In turn, bronchodilators may control the asthma but may cause

depression. The aching body, headaches, nausea, irritability, fatigue, =

and

other flu-like symptoms often reported during the healing crisis are =

primary

effects of detoxification. The human body has a great capacity to store =

away

toxins. The healing process takes these substances out of storage and =

into

circulation to be eliminated.



It is on their way to being eliminated that these toxins cause the =

dramatic

symptoms so often felt by many. During cleansing many people may =

experience

the recurrence of old ailments, some of which may not have been evident

since childhood. For example, while cleansing, the person with the skin

problem might have some depression, followed later by asthmatic =

episodes.

The skin condition may reoccur later. To dredge a lake and make it clear =

and

deep, you must remove layers of sediment. During this process, the =

bottom of

the lake is stirred up, and the water becomes cloudier than it was when =

you

began.

The onset of symptoms during a healing crisis is usually rapid. The =

worst of

the symptoms may last as little as a few hours or as long as three to =

four

days. A common pattern is for a person to reach a plateau, followed by a

healing crisis, again building up to a plateau, and so on. It takes

experience to know how to tell the difference between a healing crisis =

and a

new disease. If a person has made an improvement in diet, started a =

fast,

begun a wellness program, stopped smoking, drinking or taking drugs, you =

can

suspect that a healing crisis may be responsible for their symptoms.

Even persons familiar with healing crisis often find it difficult to

comprehend the meaning of their symptoms. If you are experiencing a =

healing

crisis, there are a number of things you can do for yourself. The goal =

is to

help the body go through this crisis without unbearable suffering, but =

also

without interfering with the healing that it taking place. Medication

suppresses symptoms and can compromise the healing process and is =

therefore

discouraged-- however, discuss this with your physician.

The body is under much stress during detoxification, and sufficient rest =

is

vital. Also, the diet following detoxification should not place demands =

on

the body's energy level. Foods heavy in protein or fat require great =

amounts

of energy to be digested and must be avoided. Meals should be kept =

simple,

light, easily digestible, and nutritious. Plenty of pure water, whole

grains, and fresh fruits and vegetables are recommended. Avoid foods

containing preservatives, dyes, caffeine, sugar, as well as the use of =

tap

water for drinking.



The skin is an important organ of elimination, and many toxins will =

leave

the body more readily if the skin is in proper condition. To help the

detoxification process, gently brush the entire surface of the skin with =

a

natural-bristle brush. Stroke from the extremities inward the liver, and

repeat every day. Skin brushing helps to stimulate the lymphatic system =

and

blood flow. To further aid elimination through the skin, soak in a warm =

bath

with Epsom salts and baking soda, two cups of each.



A healing crisis should be seen as a very positive event. It means that =

the

program is exciting and working, and that the body has begun the

detoxification process. But it can be discouraging if you do not realize

that it truly is a temporary situation. It is a part of human nature =

that,

when life is good, people are braced for the good times to come to an =

end.

But when things are bad, it always seems that the pain will go forever. =

This

is never truer than when someone feels ill.

This healing phenomenon is not a regular part of the curriculum or

understanding of conventional medicine. Medicine usually equates =

increased

health with reduced symptoms. Many patients visiting an MD expect that =

any

successful treatment will immediately eliminate all symptoms. The =

greatest

challenge of detoxification is not to become discouraged, but rather to

learn from the experience. With this perception, one can learn how their

health has evolved throughout their lifetime.

Deep breathing is perhaps the most important aid in detoxification. One =

must

breathe rapidly and deeply for at least 60 seconds every hour, forever. =

This

effectively oxygenates the blood at the cellular level and prevents the

build-up of blood proteins in the intercellular spaces which reduces the

availability of oxygen to the cells.



Your body's blood system is the primary component of your biochemistry. =

Like

the oil in the engine of an automobile, it must be constantly cleansed =

in

order to achieve optimum performance. Once your blood system is =

unbalanced

due to pollutants and toxins absorbed, ingested, or inhaled from the

environment, it is necessary to detoxify this river of life in order for =

the

blood to continue to function efficiently.





Hope that helps explain Healing Crisis a bit better. Make sure anything =

you do is under the supervision of a professional.





-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Jean wrote in message <6jgieg$lqp$1@news3.alpha.net>...

>Thank you for your response...now if I may ask again...(was told that =

there

>are no stupid questions) is Essiac a brand name for this cleansing =

formula,

>or is it something that one just makes up to get this cleansing ...also =

if

>it is possible to get diarrhea as a "healing crisis" is it also =

possible to

>get other forms of "healing crisis" such as a cold...flu...headache...

>

>again..thank you for your help....

>

>jean







From apgouka@xs4all.nl Fri May 15 20:22:12 1998

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From: apgouka@xs4all.nl (Charles Wauters)

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Subject: EASTASIAN HERB NAME

Date: Fri, 15 May 1998 17:22:12 GMT

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Please can anybody translate this herb into english, botanical latin or chinese

(pin yin) ?



PAFASHESUTSO



Thanks for help.

Charles Wauters.





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Yeah, it does look a bit like Japanese, which is why I was asking.  I work for

a Japanese company and speak a (very) little of the language.  It looks close,

but I don't think it's quite nihon-go.  More like: PA-HA-SE-SU-TSU?!  I'll

bring the word into the office and see what those dudes have to say.  :-)







>>>Please can anybody translate this herb into english, botanical latin or

>>>chinese

>>>(pin yin) ?

>>>

>>>PAFASHESUTSO

>>>

>>>Thanks for help.

>>>Charles Wauters.

>>>

>>>

>>

>>

>>What language is that? 

>>

>>Flux

>>*****

>

>To me it looks Japanese !

>

>Clemens





Flux

*****



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From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

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This is my cherry blossom.....



Nah, sure it's not Japanese.  I guess it was on the label of a Chinese

herbal prep produced in HK or Taiwan.  This means that the system of

romanization was made up on the spot by the Cantonese or Fukkien

speaking type setter in the print shop while he took a cigarette

break...  ;) ie noone else, in the whole world, including any Zhongguo

ren, will be able to guess what it is without seeing the characters.  

This is why Charles is looking for the "pin yin" version - this is

proper system of romanization and gives you more than a rat's chance in

hell of finding a translation.



*if* it was originally Cantonese pa fa *could* mean '8 flowers'....



But then again, it might not.



Did anyone every think how you use a dictionary when you don't have an

alphabet?



Nick





-----------



Flux013 wrote:

> 

> Yeah, it does look a bit like Japanese, which is why I was asking.  I work for

> a Japanese company and speak a (very) little of the language.  It looks close,

> but I don't think it's quite nihon-go.  More like: PA-HA-SE-SU-TSU?!  I'll

> bring the word into the office and see what those dudes have to say.  :-)

> 

> >>>Please can anybody translate this herb into english, botanical latin or

> >>>chinese

> >>>(pin yin) ?

> >>>

> >>>PAFASHESUTSO

> >>>

> >>>Thanks for help.

> >>>Charles Wauters.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >>

> >>What language is that?

> >>

> >>Flux

> >>*****

> >

> >To me it looks Japanese !

> >

> >Clemens

> 

> Flux

> *****



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From: apgouka@xs4all.nl (Charles Wauters)

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Please can anybody translate this herb into english, botanical latin or chinese

(pin yin) ?



PAFASHESUTSO

Probably this is Vietnamese or Korean ?

Thanks for help.

Charles Wauters.





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I'd love to lurk a bit longer but my needs are a bit pressing. Sorry.

We have a old (13) Boxer dog with chronic skin problems, among others;

night-time incontinence and a heart murmur, plus a hormone imbalance

which makes him think he's thirsty most of the time.

He has developed wart-like growths and we are treating one with a

proprietry wart/veruccae ointment, with some success.

However, he has a very large one on his gum. It's not causing him a lot

of discomfort but it is growing still.

Obviously we can't use the ointment in his mouth.

Our vet has advised against surgery for any of them due to his age and

heart problem. He simply would not survive the anaesthetic.

I beleive that simple warts are caused by a virus. I was thinking of

treating him with a liquid spray containing anti-viral herbs and oil of

cloves to remove any stinging from the other herbs.

An anti-septic component would also be of benefit, We don't want a

secondary infection setting in.

Can any-one advise, please?

Apart from his age and the above problems, his quality of life is great!

Thanks very much for your time.



Mob

-- 

Michael O'Brien (gemini@mobvus.demon.co.uk) 

"I liked your opera. I think I will set it to music" - L. V. Beethoven



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From: tassy@infoave.net (Walter J. Clark)

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I am looking for natural remedies for headaches, especially

migraine headaches.  Anyone who can help may write to me at

tassy@blomand.net.

Thank you very much.



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You can try feverfew for migraine headaches.



Regards,

Peter



Walter J. Clark wrote:



> I am looking for natural remedies for headaches, especially

> migraine headaches.  Anyone who can help may write to me at

> tassy@blomand.net.

> Thank you very much.









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Try feverfew, but remember for the best results you should take feverfew every

day in order to prevent occurence of migrane.  Take more when a migrane

headache comes on.



Beth

The Truth is Out There



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In article <355FBE8C.4D6D4306@pc.jaring.my>, Peter Mejorada

<petemej@pc.jaring.my> writes:



>

>You can try feverfew for migraine headaches.

>

>Regards,

>Peter

>

>Walter J. Clark wrote:

>

>> I am looking for natural remedies for headaches, especially

>> migraine headaches.  Anyone who can help may write to me at

>> tassy@blomand.net.

>> Thank you very much.

>



The only legal herbs that have helped my attacks are Gingko Biloba and St

John's Wort. I took Feverfew for nearly a year without effect.





Terwur (-:

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I take a 50 mg tablet of gingko biloba twice a day.  A few weeks after starting

this regimen my migraine frequency went to almost zero.  I have been on this

for about 3 years now.  



A few weeks ago I was talking to my sister about tinnitus (we both have it) and

it suddenly dawned on me that my tinnitus was GONE!  I had forgotten all about

it.  That effect took a year or two before it kicked in.  The only thing I

could attribute this to is the gingko.  Searching Deja News, I see that there

is a study regarding tinnitus/gingko.  (Tinnitus is considered incurable.)   



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In article <1998051720502000.QAA03162@ladder01.news.aol.com>, r124c4u2@aol.com

(R124c4u2) writes:



>

>I take a 50 mg tablet of gingko biloba twice a day.  A few weeks after

>starting

>this regimen my migraine frequency went to almost zero.  I have been on this

>for about 3 years now.  

>

>A few weeks ago I was talking to my sister about tinnitus (we both have it)

>and

>it suddenly dawned on me that my tinnitus was GONE!  I had forgotten all

>about

>it.  That effect took a year or two before it kicked in.  The only thing I

>could attribute this to is the gingko.  Searching Deja News, I see that there

>is a study regarding tinnitus/gingko.  (Tinnitus is considered incurable.)   

>



Ah! My mum has just started a Gingko Biloba trial for tinnitus. Brilliant news.





Terwur (-:

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Prevention's Healthy Ideas suggests looking into Magnesium and Riboflavin 

as a supplement to your migrane headache treatments.



See http://www.healthyideas.com/healing/vitamin/migraine/ for more 

background information and dosage guides



I hope this helps. Migranes are lousy ;-(



Pat



Prevention's Healthy Ideas Vitamin Dispenser

http://www.healthyideas.com/healing/vitamin/





In article <MPG.fc6861fe227949d989683@nntp.infoave.net>, tassy@infoave.net 

(Walter J. Clark) wrote:

>I am looking for natural remedies for headaches, especially

>migraine headaches.  Anyone who can help may write to me at

>tassy@blomand.net.

>Thank you very much.



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Another thought is feverfew.



Pat wrote:

> 

> Prevention's Healthy Ideas suggests looking into Magnesium and Riboflavin

> as a supplement to your migrane headache treatments.

> 

> See http://www.healthyideas.com/healing/vitamin/migraine/ for more

> background information and dosage guides

> 

> I hope this helps. Migranes are lousy ;-(

> 

> Pat

> 

> Prevention's Healthy Ideas Vitamin Dispenser

> http://www.healthyideas.com/healing/vitamin/

> 

> In article <MPG.fc6861fe227949d989683@nntp.infoave.net>, tassy@infoave.net

> (Walter J. Clark) wrote:

> >I am looking for natural remedies for headaches, especially

> >migraine headaches.  Anyone who can help may write to me at

> >tassy@blomand.net.

> >Thank you very much.



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>> >I am looking for natural remedies for headaches, especially<BR>

>> >migraine headaches.



  You might also want to try this combination:

Slippery Elm

Catnip

Chamomile

Skull Cap 



  Using a tea sieve, put in equal amounts of Catnip, Chamomile and the Skull

Cap, using a bit more of the Slippery Elm. The taste can be rather less than

satisfactory, so a dollop or two of honey usually works.

  I myself have migraines (last eight years or so) and am also on lots of

prescriptions for them. So, when I want to get away from all that synthetic

garbage for a while, I make the tea. It usually works if you can ingest it at

the very start of a migraine. Sort of like Cafergot will work if you take it at

the very onset.



  Good luck,



 Nikkita Wolfe



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On 26 May 1998 20:08:54 EDT, 

Dollar General   <Peter.Pan@Never.Never.Com> wrote:



>Another thought is feverfew.



Feverfew works does work wonders for many.



>Pat wrote:

>> 

>> Prevention's Healthy Ideas suggests looking into Magnesium and Riboflavin

>> as a supplement to your migrane headache treatments. ...



Magnesium is something worth trying.



On Riboflavin, I'd suggest taking B-complex instead. Since the Bs 

interact so much, etc. (Niacin has also showed promise.)



>> In article <MPG.fc6861fe227949d989683@nntp.infoave.net>, tassy@infoave.net

>> (Walter J. Clark) wrote:

>> >I am looking for natural remedies for headaches, especially

>> >migraine headaches.  Anyone who can help may write to me at

>> >tassy@blomand.net.

>> >Thank you very much.



I'd suggest reading up on headaches in general.

If you can find it, one book I think is very informative on headaches 

in general (goes into some detail on each type of headache and how they

can be treated): "Eighteen Natural Ways To Beat A Headache"

by: Norman D. Ford (I think he's biased on how he thinks they should 

be treated. If you can read past his bias, it has a large amount of

info that will probablly be useful to you.)



Seems like everyone has their favorite book on the subject, this just

happens to be mine. It's a small book, but packed with info, imo.



Tim





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I have been told that saffafras tea is toxic,does anyone know if this is

true or not?   If not how do you make the tea, from what part of the plant?

  Thanks,  wdarnell





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We all drank "sassy" tea and root beer when i was a kid.    Long time ago.

Didn't know it was toxic.

We would skin the root wood, chop it into smallish hunks and steep in boiling

spring water to the desired strength.    That was determined by taste.

Some boiled the wood that was just under the bark too i think.

Honestly, we never heard of anyone getting sick from it and certainly no

deaths.

Ma



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> I have been told that saffafras tea is toxic,does anyone know if this is

> true or not?   If not how do you make the tea, from what part of the plant?

>   Thanks,  wdarnell







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<FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><FONT SIZE=-1>We all drank "sassy" tea and

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<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><FONT SIZE=-1>We would skin the root wood,

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In article <01bd8062$d7bbc780$80a8c6d0@default>,

  "wdarnell" <wdarnell@acme-brain.com> wrote:

>

> I have been told that saffafras tea is toxic,does anyone know if this is

> true or not?   If not how do you make the tea, from what part of the plant?

>   Thanks,  wdarnell

>



Researchers in the '60's determined that a constituent of sassafras--a

volatile oil called safrole--caused liver cancer in rodents, so the FDA

banned the sale of anything containing safrole. You can still find at least

one safrole-free sassafras tea in grocery stores: Pappy's Sassafras Tea

Concentrate. Look for that if you *really* want to play it safe.



I'm skeptical of the research results. Oh, I'm sure the rats developed liver

cancer from ingesting safrole, but how much did they have to ingest? And how

much would a human have to ingest to have a comparable result? Sassafras tea

has always been *the* "spring tonic" in my family. The old folks would say,

"Drink sassafras tea in March and you won't see the doctor all year". Of

course, that probably wouldn't mean much if sassafras didn't taste so good!



You use the bark from the roots. I'm sure someone will give you exact

quantities and time--my method is a good big handful of rootbark (maybe a

scant cup?) in enough water (about a quart?) and simmer it until it's done

(probably 20 min. or so). If it takes like root beer, it's done. Don't let

anybody tell you a teaspoonful of root to a cup of water, that's not enough.

It's good hot or cold.



Lois



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I've had a few cups of Sassafras (sp) tea, it's quite good, actually.

Haven't had a cup since I read eyebrow raising material from a few herb

books. Apparently, it has carcenogens (sp) which as you may know, cause

cancer. (what doesn't these days?) I don't have the information at hand,

however if you search the web, you may find something on it. 



The tea is made from the roots.



-Val



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wdarnell wrote:

> 

> I have been told that saffafras tea is toxic,does anyone know if this is

> true or not?   If not how do you make the tea, from what part of the plant?

>   Thanks,  wdarnell



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Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>I've had a few cups of Sassafras (sp) tea, it's quite good, actually.

>Haven't had a cup since I read eyebrow raising material from a few herb

>books. Apparently, it has carcenogens 

  The same compounds that give it the flavor also, when fed in

large amounts to lab rats, cause liver cancer. (where's a spammer

when you need one?)

  Consumed in moderate quantities, like a cup or two of tea a

week, it probably isn't any more toxic than the other naturally

occuring carcinogens.  If you make it triple-strength and drink

gallons of it, you might see the effects.





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beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker) wrote:



>Yeah, yeah, carcinogins in sassafrass....  peanut butter has aflatoxins,

>potatoes contain trace amounts of some poison I can't recall the name of right

>now

solanine - quite toxic, and it builds up under the skin of

potatos exposed to light.





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The ingredient in question is saffrole.  Saffrole is a mild depressant, and there

was some extensive investigation into this and similar substances for this

medicinal purpose in the middle part of this century.  Regular strength sassafras

tea made from the fresh or dried root is about as carcenogenic as 1) 2 glasses of

dark beer, or 2) 4 slices of burnt toast (source: NIH papers).



The reason sassafras products are banned has a lot to do with the Delaney clause,

which stipulates that any substance cannot be sold for food if it has known

carcenogenic constituents.  However, it would take a lot of tea consumption to

produce the significant elevation in cancer which is seen in clinical testing of

laboratory animals; something on the order of several gallons every day for years.

Don't get me started on the misuse of the Delaney clause--for example, according to

this law cranberries would be illegal to sell as food if they were manufactured

because the excessive level of benzoic acid!



There is the very real idea of cancer cofactors, however, and prudence would

suggest limiting the number and amount of these factors, which include sassafras

tea, to moderate levels of consumption.  And stop smoking.



The popular gumbo thickening ingredient, filee, is made from the leaves of

sassafras, which do not contain a significant amount of saffrole.



Dale



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



> beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker) wrote:

>

> >Yeah, yeah, carcinogins in sassafrass....  peanut butter has aflatoxins,

> >potatoes contain trace amounts of some poison I can't recall the name of right

> >now

> solanine - quite toxic, and it builds up under the skin of

> potatos exposed to light.







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From: harouffd@top.net (Don Harouff)

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Dale Woika <dalew@lazerlink.com> wrote:



>

>The reason sassafras products are banned has a lot to do with the Delaney clause,

>which stipulates that any substance cannot be sold for food if it has known

>carcenogenic constituents.  However, it would take a lot of tea consumption to

>produce the significant elevation in cancer which is seen in clinical testing of

>laboratory animals; something on the order of several gallons every day for years.

>Don't get me started on the misuse of the Delaney clause--for example, according to

>this law cranberries would be illegal to sell as food if they were manufactured

>because the excessive level of benzoic acid!

>

Also as I found out, sassafras is on the DEA watch list of products.



Don

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On 16 May 1998, Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



> beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker) wrote:

> 

> >Yeah, yeah, carcinogins in sassafrass....  peanut butter has aflatoxins,

> >potatoes contain trace amounts of some poison I can't recall the name of right

> >now

> solanine - quite toxic, and it builds up under the skin of

> potatos exposed to light.

> 

> 

> 

Solanine, hmmm, named for the Solanacea family?



Emily





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On 16 May 1998 00:39:20 GMT, "wdarnell" <wdarnell@acme-brain.com>

wrote:



>I have been told that saffafras tea is toxic,does anyone know if this is

>true or not?   If not how do you make the tea, from what part of the plant?

>  Thanks,  wdarnell

>

People used the roots to make tea, but more than 30 years ago, the

government declared it was a carcenogen.  We had lots of sasafrass on

or vacation land , but we stopped using it.  Why take a chance, with

our present air and potential food problems?



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"wdarnell" <wdarnell@acme-brain.com> writes: > I have been told that saffafras tea is toxic,does anyone know if this is

> true or not?   If not how do you make the tea, from what part of the plant?

>   Thanks,  wdarnell

> 



Hi to all!

Sassafras tea is made from the root bark of the tree. It was used also 

as one of the main ingredients to flavor root beer in the early part

of this century. It is used as a tonic and alterative for "the blood".

Hundreds of thousands of people still drink the tea and use the herb

medicinally in the rural Ozarks and Appalachians. The herb and tea contain

some safrole which has been reported to cause cancer. Yet the above

mentioned areas have one of the lowest overall cancer rates in the U.S.!

Go figure. Safrole, incidentally, also occurs in sweet basil, black 

pepper, and nutmeg. 

So I would say that sassafras, used occasionally, and in moderation, 

should cause no more problems than the spices mentioned, used in a

similar responsible manner. By the way, I think sassafras tastes and

smells wonderful!



                           Jerry, in good health (through herbs)

                           Jsmith@en.com 



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Is it not from the roots that sassafras tea is made?

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My mother drank Sassafras tea for years.  It certainly wasn't toxic.  We used

to walk in the woods looking for it.  The usable part for tea is the root.  To

make the tea, just boil the dried root in water.  How much depends on how

strong you like the flavor.







From ian.hunter.vegetarian.so.no.spam@zetnet.co.uk Tue May 19 20:10:06 1998

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Hello Folks,



Saffafras is suspected of causing cancer.  Here in Europe you can only

use 0.05% in body care products.  Also in Europe if you want to buy or

sell Sassafras Essential Oil you need a licence as it is a precurcer

component in manufacturing an Illegal Drug.  I suspect that this fact

and not the as yet unproven carcogenic effects.



It is a shame as it is one of the most effective oils for treating

depression that I know of.  Even then it needs to be used with care as

over use will cause depression.  

 

On 16 May 1998 00:39:20 GMT, "wdarnell" <wdarnell@acme-brain.com>

wrote:



>I have been told that saffafras tea is toxic,does anyone know if this is

>true or not?   If not how do you make the tea, from what part of the plant?

>  Thanks,  wdarnell

>





From MoonGlade@twlakes.Net Tue May 19 21:34:23 1998

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From: "Lynnaea & Dr. Paradox" <MoonGlade@twlakes.Net>

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Ian Hunter wrote:



> Hello Folks,

>

> Saffafras is suspected of causing cancer.  Here in Europe you can only

> use 0.05% in body care products.  Also in Europe if you want to buy or

> sell Sassafras Essential Oil you need a licence as it is a precurcer

> component in manufacturing an Illegal Drug.  I suspect that this fact

> and not the as yet unproven carcogenic effects.



If my memory serves me, those studies were done with labratory rats and mega

doses of sassafras. The comparison with humans would be more tea than is

possible to ever consume in a lifetime. Fortunatly, in the US, Sassafras can

still be obtained. I have found it in the wild and I have bought it as cut root

in bulk. We don't use the "essential oil" in tea, here in Tennessee we just go

dig a few roots from a bank.



> On 16 May 1998 00:39:20 GMT, "wdarnell" <wdarnell@acme-brain.com>

> wrote:

>

> >I have been told that saffafras tea is toxic,does anyone know if this is

> >true or not?   If not how do you make the tea, from what part of the plant?

> >  Thanks,  wdarnell

> >



Like I said, the studies showed the rats came down with cancer. Here in

Tennessee the tea is as popular as ever, it is a refreshing drink and not made

very strong. No one seems to be worried about drinking it.Use the roots. Crush

them with your morter and pestle.

Make an infusion, pour boiling water over the crushed root and let it steep

until the water is cool. I would use a tablespoon of root to every cup of water.



Add honey and more water to taste. Strain and pour over ice.

The tea is delicious in the summer.



Lynnaea





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I agree, the sassafras tea was given in some ridiculous doses to mice.

They've done the same with comfrey.



You can kill yourself by drinking too much water too (rare but possible).







From mbrown@kih.net Sat May 16 16:39:25 1998

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From: michael brown <mbrown@kih.net>

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ray wrote:

> 

> I am suffering very badly with sore eyes and rhinitis this year ,

> mostly because my place of work is very dusty at the moment (I am also

> slightly asthmatic and touch sensitive to dust).

> Please can you recommend any herbs etc that may help bearing in mind

> that I am currently taking Prozac.

> Thanks



I was told several years this little tale, and have used it with some

success over the years.....



I don't know if it will work, as you believe the allergy is caused by

dust in your workplace, however, one never really knows...



I was told to find a beekeeper in my area, purchase honeycomb from him,

and chew 1 teaspoon of honeycomb like chewing gum each hour for several

hours. (I forget how many hours)



Had a raging allergy going on at the time, cleared up in a few days.

Whether it was the honeycomb or the irritant leaving, I dunno, but

coincidentally, the allergy was over!



I like honey, so this was great for me! Many don't, so I don't know what

they will do.  I think the theory behind this is that the stuff in the

honey somehow works inside you to create sort of an antidote?  who

knows! 



Once again, I use this, sometimes it seems that it works better than

others. (may depend upon what the irritant is) It is getting more and

more difficult to find local honey because of the bee mite destroying

the hives.



Good luck! I know what you are going thru!  <sneeze, cough, snort>

am beginning to get it just writing about it!



seeyalater!



-- 

regards,



michael brown

mbrown@kih.net



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>

>I was told to find a beekeeper in my area, purchase honeycomb from him,

>and chew 1 teaspoon of honeycomb like chewing gum each hour for several

>hours. (I forget how many hours)

>

>I like honey, so this was great for me! Many don't, so I don't know what

>they will do.  I think the theory behind this is that the stuff in the

>honey somehow works inside you to create sort of an antidote?  who

>knows!

>





I have had a Indian tell me to try a table spoon every day for one Month and

that the flower pollen would set up a block to the pollen in the air.



I gave it a try and it worked for me I used to have to go get shouts for the

stuff and now I do not.worked great I do not know if it will work for all

but it did for me.







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I believe the theory behind this, and I'm not diss'ing it, is that the

honey/honeycomb substance acts like a vaccine.  You get alittle of the

"allergen" and  build a tolerance to it so when you come in contact w/the

same allergen in a different form, you're not as reactive.  The catch is the

honey/honeycomb has to be local. Sounds plausible?

Just a thought,

June

michael brown wrote:



> I don't know if it will work, as you believe the allergy is caused by

> dust in your workplace, however, one never really knows...

>

> I was told to find a beekeeper in my area, purchase honeycomb from him,

> and chew 1 teaspoon of honeycomb like chewing gum each hour for several

> hours. (I forget how many hours)

>

> Had a raging allergy going on at the time, cleared up in a few days.

> Whether it was the honeycomb or the irritant leaving, I dunno, but

> coincidentally, the allergy was over!

> <snip>

> Once again, I use this, sometimes it seems that it works better than

> others. (may depend upon what the irritant is) It is getting more and

> more difficult to find local honey because of the bee mite destroying

> the hives.

>

> Good luck! I know what you are going thru!  <sneeze, cough, snort>

> am beginning to get it just writing about it!

>

> seeyalater!

>

> --

> regards,

>

> michael brown

> mbrown@kih.net









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Hi Ray,

First, if possible, wear a simple mask (esp. if you're in

manufacturing)if that is out of the question,  how about an air purifier

in your office/work area?

What you also might want to look into is nasal irrigation w/a homemade

saline solution.  I have sinus problems and allergies as well.  Nasal

irrigation aids by clearing out irritants so perhaps you won't be so

reactive.  For sinus problems, the theory behind irrigating is that it

helps restore cilia function so your sinuses can work properly.  An ENT

web page that discusses this is:

www.ent-consult.com

BTW, his page mentions using a waterpik w/Grossan attachment, but there

are many different (simple and cheap) ways to irrigate by rigging

something up yourself.  Hope this helps.

BTW, sorry, I know you asked about herbs...

June

ray wrote:



>  I am suffering very badly with sore eyes and rhinitis this year ,

> mostly because my place of work is very dusty at the moment (I am also

> slightly asthmatic and touch sensitive to dust).

> Please can you recommend any herbs etc that may help bearing in mind

> that I am currently taking Prozac.

> Thanks









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Yes, what eating local honey does is build up an immunity to local pollens.

It takes several weeks, according to my partner, who's been doing it for

years.

michael brown wrote in message <355D970D.7702@kih.net>...

>ray wrote:

>>

>> I am suffering very badly with sore eyes and rhinitis this year ,

>> mostly because my place of work is very dusty at the moment (I am also

>> slightly asthmatic and touch sensitive to dust).

>> Please can you recommend any herbs etc that may help bearing in mind

>> that I am currently taking Prozac.

>> Thanks

>

>I was told several years this little tale, and have used it with some

>success over the years.....

>

>I don't know if it will work, as you believe the allergy is caused by

>dust in your workplace, however, one never really knows...

>

>I was told to find a beekeeper in my area, purchase honeycomb from him,

>and chew 1 teaspoon of honeycomb like chewing gum each hour for several

>hours. (I forget how many hours)

>

>Had a raging allergy going on at the time, cleared up in a few days.

>Whether it was the honeycomb or the irritant leaving, I dunno, but

>coincidentally, the allergy was over!

>

>I like honey, so this was great for me! Many don't, so I don't know what

>they will do.  I think the theory behind this is that the stuff in the

>honey somehow works inside you to create sort of an antidote?  who

>knows!

>

>Once again, I use this, sometimes it seems that it works better than

>others. (may depend upon what the irritant is) It is getting more and

>more difficult to find local honey because of the bee mite destroying

>the hives.

>

>Good luck! I know what you are going thru!  <sneeze, cough, snort>

>am beginning to get it just writing about it!

>

>seeyalater!

>

>--

>regards,

>

>michael brown

>mbrown@kih.net







From PZOOKS@prodigy.net Thu May 28 16:51:56 1998

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Seasons wrote:

> 

> Yes, what eating local honey does is build up an immunity to local pollens.

> It takes several weeks, according to my partner, who's been doing it for

> years.

> michael brown wrote in message <355D970D.7702@kih.net>...





Let me say, honey does work although it only took a week to see the

results for me. My neighbor took 3 months, but she was able to get off

of her prescription meds...



  Regards,

Prof. Zooks



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PZOOKS wrote:

> 

> Seasons wrote:

> >

> > Yes, what eating local honey does is build up an immunity to local pollens.

> > It takes several weeks, according to my partner, who's been doing it for

> > years.

> > michael brown wrote in message <355D970D.7702@kih.net>...

> 

> Let me say, honey does work although it only took a week to see the

> results for me. My neighbor took 3 months, but she was able to get off

> of her prescription meds...

> 

>   Regards,

> Prof. Zooks

i think it must depend on what kind of allergy you have. for example, i

never had any luck with honey for ragweed. perhaps the bees don't mess

with ragweed? regards.



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jwwright wrote:

> 

> PZOOKS wrote:

> >

> > Seasons wrote:

> > >

> > > Yes, what eating local honey does is build up an immunity to local pollens.

> > > It takes several weeks, according to my partner, who's been doing it for

> > > years.

> > > michael brown wrote in message <355D970D.7702@kih.net>...

> >

> > Let me say, honey does work although it only took a week to see the

> > results for me. My neighbor took 3 months, but she was able to get off

> > of her prescription meds...

> >

> >   Regards,

> > Prof. Zooks

> i think it must depend on what kind of allergy you have. for example, i

> never had any luck with honey for ragweed. perhaps the bees don't mess

> with ragweed? regards.



Hmmmm, that makes SENSE! Neither would it work for allergies to

cats/dogs/etc.... ;o)



-- 

regards,



michael brown

mbrown@kih.net



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     What is in the Alchol that gives you such a headache in the morning and

makes you feel sick and sluggish?

     What can you do to stop feeling that way in the morning?  Besides the

obvious "stop drinking"  I ask this because I will be going out with my friends

next weekend and I know that it will end up as it always does, us back at my

house having a pity party.  Can you help?



  

Raven at     raven_d@hotmail.com   or at

                 Raven44DDD@aol.com



From jamie@bozo.local.net Sat May 16 19:29:14 1998

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HotEsct4U <hotesct4u@aol.com> wrote:

>

>     What is in the Alchol that gives you such a headache in the morning and

>makes you feel sick and sluggish?

>     What can you do to stop feeling that way in the morning?  Besides the

>obvious "stop drinking"  I ask this because I will be going out with my friends

>next weekend and I know that it will end up as it always does, us back at my

>house having a pity party.  Can you help?



A good part of the headache is dehydration.  Drink a couple of

large glasses of water before you go to bed.



Alternating your alcohol drinks with soft drinks or juice during the

evening will help.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."



From magpies@wantree.com.au Sun May 17 01:24:09 1998

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From: magpies@wantree.com.au (Meg, The Magpie)

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Subject: Re: HANGOVERS

Date: Sat, 16 May 1998 22:24:09 GMT

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On 16 May 1998 15:20:32 GMT, hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) was

inspired by the little green men to write :



>

>     What is in the Alchol that gives you such a headache in the morning and

>makes you feel sick and sluggish?



Alcohol is a depressant drug.  This means that if you drink enough of

it, you wind up feeling miserable.  It also has a dehydrating effect,

which is why if you drink lots of beer, you wind up with a bladder

that feels the size of a large watermelon by the end of it.  The

headache is partly caused by the dehydration this causes.  The other

components of an alcoholic drink which have an effect are the ones

which give the drink it's flavour or colour (Alcohol in it's pure

state is colourless, odourless and tasteless).



>     What can you do to stop feeling that way in the morning?  Besides the

>obvious "stop drinking"  I ask this because I will be going out with my friends

>next weekend and I know that it will end up as it always does, us back at my

>house having a pity party.  Can you help?



Okay, first off, try spacing your drinks - that's one alcoholic, one

non-alcoholic (but try to stay off soft drinks - their high sugar

level has an equivalent dehydrating effect to the alcohol).  Water is

the best spacer.



Second, don't mix up your drinks.  The combination of chemicals which

give the drinks colour and flavour are a major factor in hangovers, as

their inter-reactions are the cause of a lot of the symptoms, which

are aggravated by the dehydration caused by the alcohol itself.



Thirdly, try not to drink to excess.  This is a very simple one, but

in these days of binge drinking, it's often ignored.  If you drink

enough to make yourself vomit, you've managed to poison yourself.

Congratulations <grin>.  Alcohol in large enough quantities *is* a

poison, and another part of the hangover effect is caused by the

effects of the liver trying to get rid of all the toxins you've added

to your system.  In the process of detoxification of alcohol, your

liver creates another 2 or 3 toxic little chemicals, so these are also

part of what make you feel horrible.



Fourthly, try having some food before you start.  This will help to

deal with the alcohol, partly because your digestive process will

already be active and operating, partly because you just plain won't

have the physical capacity to drink as much.



If you really can't manage that, due to whatever reason, then things

that are supposed to be good for hangover protection are: B group

vitamins, especially B12 (if you live in Australia, have some bread

and Vegemite, or if you can't get that, try Marmite or Promite).  Lots

of water, afterwards, helps to flush the poisons out of your system a

bit quicker.  Don't believe the stuff about raw eggs - that's just to

help you to vomit (which you will do, trust me), which is a rather

quick and nasty way of sobering up.  Avoid caffeine (tea, coffee,

cola), because that will just dehydrate you more.  



Another thing to avoid when hung-over is someone like me, who believes

that the hangover is a self-inflicted injury.  Use the tips above, and

see how you go <grin>.



-- 



Meg, The Magpie

magpie@megabitch.tm



From cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Tue May 19 00:26:53 1998

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From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

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Subject: Re: HANGOVERS

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On Sat, 16 May 1998 magpies@wantree.com.au wrote:



> > stuff about how to cure a hangover snipped > > Don't believe the stuff 

> about raw eggs - that's just to help you to vomit (which you will do, 

trust me),

> 

...to each his own...one man's meat...and all that Jazz.  I have no 

problem with raw eggs at all. Nothing inherent in the egg will make you 

vomit, just personal preferences. 



My 2p

Cissy



From donc1@airmail.net Thu May 28 00:21:00 1998

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From: donc1@airmail.net (Don Copeland)

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>Nothing inherent in the egg will make you 

>vomit, just personal preferences. 

>

>My 2p

>Cissy



But the salmonilla might.



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From: "Cissy . Thorpe" <cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>

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> >Cissy Thorpe wrote: 



> >Nothing inherent in the egg will make you 

> >vomit, just personal preferences. 

> >

> >My 2p

> >Cissy





> On Wed, 27 May 1998, Don Copeland wrote:



> But the salmonilla might.

> 



I don't believe salmonilla is inherent in eggs. It can develop in 

improperly handeled and stored eggs...but it is not inherent in the egg. 



Cissy



From raelin@dancingspider.com Mon May 18 05:52:46 1998

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From: Raelin Firestorm <raelin@dancingspider.com>

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HotEsct4U wrote:

> 

>      What is in the Alchol that gives you such a headache in the morning and

> makes you feel sick and sluggish?



Besides being a depressant, alcohol replaces the fluids in your cells. 

When

it is metabolized, it leaves you dehydrated.  VERY dehydrated.



>      What can you do to stop feeling that way in the morning?  Besides the

> obvious "stop drinking"  I ask this because I will be going out with my friends

> next weekend and I know that it will end up as it always does, us back at my

> house having a pity party.  Can you help?



Eat well.  Get enough sleep before you go.  I've heard carbs (bread,

potatoes)

will help, but I've never tried it.  Limit your intake and space it out

over

several hours instead of consuming alot at once.

 

I am not a heavy drinker, but on nights that I have had more than my

usual, I will drink 32 oz of water and take two aspirin.  It's something

I learned in college after my first and only hangover.  But nothing

would

have stopped that one. . .alternating mixed drinks with wine then

downing

six shots of Tequila should have killed me.  It certainly taught me not

to 

do it again.  I'm a mead kinda girl now. 

-- 

Teach love.  Practice peace.



Raelin Firestorm

Out of the Night that Covers Me

http://www.pcisys.net/~gtp

raelin@iname.com



From kslipsen@hotmail.com Mon May 18 23:35:45 1998

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From: kslipsen@hotmail.com (Knydt Slipsen)

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hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) scribeva:





>     What is in the Alchol that gives you such a headache in the morning and

>makes you feel sick and sluggish?

>     What can you do to stop feeling that way in the morning?  Besides the

>obvious "stop drinking"  I ask this because I will be going out with my friends

>next weekend and I know that it will end up as it always does, us back at my

>house having a pity party.  Can you help?



>  

>Raven at     raven_d@hotmail.com   or at

>                 Raven44DDD@aol.com



The alcohol is metabolized in the body to acetic aldehyde and then

further to acetic acid, when you are sobering up. The hangover stems

mainly from the acetic aldehyde which gives the caracteristic smell in

the morning.

 I used to have just terrible hangovers, even from as little as a

drink or two - that was until I discovered how effective ginseng is to

cure this.  Take ginseng before you go to the party, take some before

you go to bed and some in the morning. It makes wonder! I got the idea

from a friend who has been working in China and who told me that the

chineeses eat ginseng chips as snacks while drinking alcohol to avoid

the hangover. It is good to drink a lot of water and eat some salt

too, before bedtime.







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From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

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Subject: Re: HANGOVERS

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Knydt Slipsen wrote:

> 

> hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) scribeva:

> 

> >     What is in the Alchol that gives you such a headache in the morning and

> >makes you feel sick and sluggish?

> >     What can you do to stop feeling that way in the morning?  Besides the

> >obvious "stop drinking"  I ask this because I will be going out with my friends

> >next weekend and I know that it will end up as it always does, us back at my

> >house having a pity party.  Can you help?

> 





--



What about Milk thistle and its incredible powers of giving you the

Power Ranger's Liver that can Laugh in the Face of Alcohol?



Is that true all that liver stuff?  And can having the said premiere

league toppo gigio of a liver help reduce hangovers? 



Just out of idle curiosity you understand...



What's a pity party anyway?



Nick



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On Tue, 19 May 1998 18:37:47 +0100, Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>> hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) scribeva:

>> >     What is in the Alchol that gives you such a headache in the morning and

>> >makes you feel sick and sluggish?



Your liver looks over your blood at night. Alcohol interferes with the function

of the liver; your liver doesn't have the time to remake your blood (and it

prefers to metabolize alcohol anyway, over almost anything else), it has to

repair the blood during the following day, voila, tired and sluggish feeling.

Alcohol is a poison in large enough doses, voila, sick feeling. 

The headache is part of the blood being so bad because the liver didn't do

anything about it.



>What about Milk thistle and its incredible powers of giving you the

>Power Ranger's Liver that can Laugh in the Face of Alcohol?



Yes, that would help. But if you do drink so much as to get a hangover you might

wish to address the single symptoms: Thyme will help with the nausea, an aspirin

or a tea of meadowsweet (Filipendula) will help with the headache, lots of water

and electrolytes (salted herrings, lemon juice etc.) will help with the tired

feeling... and relax, you didn't really plan to do anything today anyway, did

you?



>Is that true all that liver stuff?  



Yes. Silybum marianum aka milk thistle does help the liver. A lot.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From raven44dd@aol.com Tue May 19 20:49:09 1998

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Raven from HotEsct4U,  have a new address.....



     A pity party is when you and your friends get together and complain about

everything that is wrong in your life.  You go around in a circle and make one

complaint.  If the others think that it is worth complaining about, you get to

take a sip of your drink.  The first one drunk obviously has the worst life of

the lot.  :-)





     Mistress Raven

          It is as it should be



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Or you can have a pity party without the booze, it's called an AA meeting.







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--

Marie (using my husband's addy)



For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206

Nick wrote in message <3561C34F.756A@mcmail.com>...

>Knydt Slipsen wrote:

>>

>> hotesct4u@aol.com (HotEsct4U) scribeva:

>>

>> >     What is in the Alchol that gives you such a headache in the morning

and

>> >makes you feel sick and sluggish?

>> >     What can you do to stop feeling that way in the morning?  Besides

the

>> >obvious "stop drinking"  I ask this because I will be going out with my

friends

>> >next weekend and I know that it will end up as it always does, us back

at my

>> >house having a pity party.  Can you help?

>>

>

>

>--

>

>What about Milk thistle and its incredible powers of giving you the

>Power Ranger's Liver that can Laugh in the Face of Alcohol?

>

>Is that true all that liver stuff?  And can having the said premiere

>league toppo gigio of a liver help reduce hangovers?

>

>Just out of idle curiosity you understand...

>

Actually, after I've just done a liver flush, and my liver is toxin free and

in peek working condition, I find that I can drink much more than usual

before I begin to feel any effects.  Guess the liver just detoxifies the

blood that much faster.  However, if I continue drinking, I go from "no

effects" to deathly sick to my stomach in like no time at all.  A clean body

can have a violent reaction to poison.



So to answer your question, yeah a "super liver" may prevent a hangover, but

you may not appreciate the way it does it.

--

Marie (using my husband's addy)

For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206



>What's a pity party anyway?

>

>Nick







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hello raven!



Alcohol inhibits the Anti-diuretic hormone (ADH) in your hypothalamus.

This hormone essentially monitors your blood pressure to insure you do not

excrete too much water.  So, when the alcohol inhibits it, your kidneys

don't know how much water to absorb back into the blood stream and just

let everything flow through.  



This is how the dreaded dehydration occurs.... and why water in excess

eases the pain........  Hope you have a rowdy (and safe) night with your

friends!!!



Emily



On 16 May 1998, HotEsct4U wrote:



> 

>      What is in the Alchol that gives you such a headache in the morning and

> makes you feel sick and sluggish?

>      What can you do to stop feeling that way in the morning?  Besides the

> obvious "stop drinking"  I ask this because I will be going out with my friends

> next weekend and I know that it will end up as it always does, us back at my

> house having a pity party.  Can you help?

> 

>   

> Raven at     raven_d@hotmail.com   or at

>                  Raven44DDD@aol.com

> 

> 





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>solo wrote:

>> 

>> Hi, all.

>> This is probably a dumb question, but how is a medline search done?



Medline is a commercial database of articles published in medical journals.

Usually, you'll get the citation and a short extract or abstract.



Most university libraries, all medical libraries, and many public libraries

subscribe to Medline. At any of these institutions, you can get help making

searches. Some of the commerical services, such as AOL, allow you to do Medline

searches. Like any database, you can enter variables and narrow your search

from there. "Depression" will probably get you more material than you want, but

"kava kava" will narrow it down.



Medline's good for searching the allopathic (Western) medical journals, but it

tends to leave out much of the Chinese medicine or other alternative medicine

articles. There are some other services that do that -- Healthnotes (?) is one

that I've heard mentioned. 



Hope that helps,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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Hello,

My mom is going through chemotherapy and has been very sick.  The doctor said

her white blood cell count is low.. and now she has caught a cold to boot,

Anyone know of any safe herbs to raise her count?  She is unable to eat do to

vomiting etc just crackers and light foods.  Has been able to take her garlic

tabs and essiac tea though.... 

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

Thanks and god bless.

Marie



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Don't know if they specifically raise the WBC, but I always recommend that

people going through Cancer treatment take the immune stimulating herbs.

Ginseng

and Schizandria are very good.  I would also suggest your Mom take Barley

Green or Just Barley.  They are powders, but you mix them in water, so your

Mom should have no problem with them.  They are easy to assimilate and super

nutritious.



Best of luck to you.



--

Marie (using my husband's addy)

For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206



Raffiapple wrote in message

<1998051621102800.RAA18452@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Hello,

>My mom is going through chemotherapy and has been very sick.  The doctor

said

>her white blood cell count is low.. and now she has caught a cold to boot,

>Anyone know of any safe herbs to raise her count?  She is unable to eat do

to

>vomiting etc just crackers and light foods.  Has been able to take her

garlic

>tabs and essiac tea though....

>Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

>Thanks and god bless.

>Marie







From jbyron@mail.ju.edu Sun May 17 01:58:19 1998

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Astragalus is stimulating to the spleen and thymus, and raises wbc.  It

is by Modern Chinese Medicine to treat neutropenia and as an adjunct to

chemo - in some cases, it can improve the effectiveness chemical therapy

and reduce side-effects.



I am not an expert on astragalus, but there are many good pages out

there that discuss it.  Also, try medline.



Jonathan 

 



Raffiapple wrote:

> 

> Hello,

> My mom is going through chemotherapy and has been very sick.  The doctor said

> her white blood cell count is low.. and now she has caught a cold to boot,

> Anyone know of any safe herbs to raise her count?  She is unable to eat do to

> vomiting etc just crackers and light foods.  Has been able to take her garlic

> tabs and essiac tea though....

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

> Thanks and god bless.

> Marie



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In article <1998051621102800.RAA18452@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

raffiapple@aol.com (Raffiapple) writes:



>She is unable to eat do to

>vomiting etc just crackers and light foods.  Has been able to take her garlic

>tabs and essiac tea though.... 



This is a little off-topic, but I wanted to let people know that there's two

really great cookbooks to help people keep up their nutrition while dealing

with chemotherapy's side-effects. The first is called:

What to Eat If You Have Cancer Cookbook by Maureen Keene and Daniella Chase

published by Contemporary Books. Both Maureen and Daniella trained at Bastyr U.

as nutritionists (master's program), and I've been a big fan of their cookbooks

for years.



Cancer Survivor's Nutrition and Health Guide by Gene Spiller and Bonnie Bruce,

published by Prima Publishing. This is also an excellent source of very easy to

digest recipes, including lots of "sippables" for those unable to tolerate

solid foods.



Your onocologist or local hospital should have these books in their patient

library and if they don't, tell them to buy them! Both books have been out for

awhile, so they should be available through your local bookstore or library.

They're standard stock for our store and I've seen them in lots of other places

including Costco.



Hope that helps,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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Raffiapple wrote:

> 

> Hello,

> My mom is going through chemotherapy and has been very sick.  The doctor said

> her white blood cell count is low.. and now she has caught a cold to boot,

> Anyone know of any safe herbs to raise her count?  She is unable to eat do to

> vomiting etc just crackers and light foods.  Has been able to take her garlic

> tabs and essiac tea though....

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

> Thanks and god bless.

> Marie





Hi Marie!

	Do not know if they have a website but a company called Dragon Herbals

out of Mexico (Or New Mexico) formulates a specific formula called WBC. 

This might be worth something to check into.

	If you are interested, I can get you the address of the supplier

tomorrow at work.  (I work for a homeopathic/holistic/chiropractic

doctor).

	Good luck to your Mom!  :)

Sincerely

Ann Marie

mailto:amsarra@ptd.net



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On 16 May 1998, Raffiapple wrote:



> Hello,

> My mom is going through chemotherapy and has been very sick.  The doctor said

> her white blood cell count is low.. and now she has caught a cold to boot,

> Anyone know of any safe herbs to raise her count?  She is unable to eat do to

> vomiting etc just crackers and light foods.  Has been able to take her garlic

> tabs and essiac tea though.... 

> Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

> Thanks and god bless.

> Marie

> 

> 

greetings marie,



Echinacea is  *the herb* for raising white blood cell count ... it takes 7

to 10 days to form new wbcs.  I would suggest taking a dropper of tincture

a day for a month.



I would also suggest, however, you seek the consultation of an experienced

herbalist who can see your mother on a regular basis.  It appears she is

going to need healing on a much more intensive and personal level that the

internet.  I wish you both the best of luck.



Bless you both,

Emily





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I am looking for correspondence courses leading to certificates and degrees in

herbology, nutritional counseling, and N.D. If anyone knows of any, or has

taken any classes, I would appreciate hearing from you.

mailto:dmayhew@bellatlantic.net



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In article <6jl0a8$kba$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, dmayhew@bellatlantic.net writes:



>I am looking for correspondence courses leading to certificates and degrees

>in herbology, nutritional counseling, and N.D. If anyone knows of any, or has

>taken any classes, I would appreciate hearing from you.

>mailto:dmayhew@bellatlantic.net



I have not heard of any correspondence course that would qualify you to be

licensed as an ND. In some states, using a title like "medical doctor" or

"naturopathic doctor" without having a license can be a violation of the

state's title act regulating that profession. It really varies from state to

state, so you may want to contact your state government and ask if you plan to

use this title working with the public (if it's for your own personal

enjoyment, forget everything that I've said!). If you are in Canada, check with

your provincial authorities.



For herbal or nutritional counseling, there are far less regulations. In most

states anybody with any type of training can call themselves an herbalist or a

nutritional counselor. The School of Natural Healing in Utah, started by John

Christopher, has several different courses that would fit your request there.

So does the American Academy of Nutrition in Knoxville, TN, or the National

Institute of Nutritional Education in Colorado.  Wild Rose College in Alberta

offers a good herbal course and they are set up to work with American students.





Hope that helps,

Rosemary Jones

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

1998 Prima Publishing ISBN: 0761512446   

Directory of 250+ programs and schools now available through amazon.com &

others (http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm)



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dmayhew@bellatlantic.net wrote:

> 

> I am looking for correspondence courses leading to certificates and degrees in

> herbology, nutritional counseling, and N.D. If anyone knows of any, or has

> taken any classes, I would appreciate hearing from you.

> mailto:dmayhew@bellatlantic.net

> 

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Try http://www.drherbs.com	As others have offered as feedback on this

NG, you can not become a naturopathic without being licensed.  Many

states do NOT license NDs.  HOWEVER, there are ways to safely practice

as just a certified ND.  I am currently taking Herbal Academy's course,

which consists of 7 different courses to complete for the ND.  Once you

are done the courses, they will send you information on taking the ND

licensure exam.

	If need be, my husband and I will relocate to a state where NDs are

recognized in the medical field.

	There is also a course out of UK that simply does homeopathic courses. 

If you are interested, let me know and I will ask my co-worker for the

address.

Sincerely

Ann Marie

mailto:amsarra@ptd.net



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	<<If need be, my husband and I will relocate to a state where NDs are

recognized in the medical field.>>



In the state of Washington, you cannot be recognized as a ND unless you've

earned your degree from a residential school accredited by the Council of

Naturopathic Medical Education (CNME). The CNME is the only accreditation

agency for naturopathic medicine recognized by the US Department of Education

(check Peterson's Register for Higher Education in your local library for their

address or e-mail me and I'll pull it out of my files). You also have to pass

the NPLEX, which is the medical boards for this license. The title act in

Washington is pretty specific -- you need to earn a degree at a residential

school, you have to have fulfilled a set number of hours of internship under

the supervision of a licensed ND, and you must pass all sections of the NPLEX.

Fail any of these requirements, and you cannot practice as an ND in this state.





In the states where the ND profession is licensed, it is licensed under the

same title acts as a medical doctor (MD). There is, in the US, no MD degree

that can be earned through distance learning that will qualify you for a MD

license. All medical doctors are required to take their classes at a

residential school, do a set number of hours of internship/residency, and pass

their medical boards. The ND licensing laws have followed the same protocols in

all the states were such laws exist, and the push is on to expand these laws to

the other states. 



There are no such restrictions on counseling and as long as you do not present

yourself as a ND (there's no way to use the "title" without the license in

Washington), you can be a nutritional counselor, or herbal counselor, or

whatever. As long as you are not "practicing medicine" -- i.e. diagnosing and

prescribing -- you're in a gray legal area in all 50 of the states. Some of

them are very strict in how they define "practicing medicine" -- some seem

pretty loose. 



"Title acts" are licensing laws that define how a "title" such as MD, DC,

L.Ac., and so on is earned and when or how it can be used. They are passed on a

state-by-state basis -- not federal -- so it varies greatly by state. For

example, California has no legal definition of a naturopathic doctor, but they

have a very stringent definition of an acupuncturist.



In "alternative medicine" the only title that is consistently licensed in all

50 states is that of Doctor of Chiropractic  (DC). The only other "doctor"

licenses that are consistent in all 50 states are MD and DO (doctor of

osteopathic medicine). 



It's weird, it's confusing, but it's worth checking out before you incur lots

of moving expenses... The one thing that I heard over and over when I was

researching my book was an emphasis on how things vary from state to state.

Know where you want to practice and, if you want that license, know what it's

going to take  to get it.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

Prima Publishing 1998 (yes, it's available through amazon.com!)





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Jean,

I am also in the state of Wisconsin and a student of Clayton College. It =

is fully accredited. I believe their web site is

http://www.drclayton.com



You can try going there, or call penny Gagliani at (800) 995-4590



There are 11 states that do not license Naturopaths. This is in the =

process of being changed, but, like anything, it will take some time.

Florida

Montana

Connecticut

Oregon--only students that have graduated from National are licensed.

Washington--only students that have graduated from Bastyr.

Hawaii

Alaska

Arizona--the school there is not accredited and costs approximately =

$63,000.00

New Hampshire

Maine

Utah

Nevada



I currently practice under Nutrition Consultant/Herbalist.=20

If you choose to go to Clayton, I don't know what your pre-requisites =

would be as I don't know what schooling you have had already. They will =

look at that, plus you will have to write an admissions essay before you =

are accepted, along with all the other paperwork that goes with college =

applications. I myself went in with credits from a college in Nursing =

(conventional) and had had 4 years of Alternative studies.

I'm in Southern Wisconsin and I am the only person in my area that does =

the kind of work I do. There are some other Holistic Practitioners in =

Madison and Milwaukee. There are also acupuncturists scattered =

throughout the state.

I chose Clayton after researching the other schools. Some of my personal =

mentors have also gone to Clayton--Dr. Lynn Wilde (I know him personally =

and he is my family ND. He also did many of the final exams for Clayton =

College. He has also gone before a board of MD's and is accepted by =

them), Dr. Linda Nelson (I also know her personally), Jude C. Williams, =

MH, and Dr. Linda Rector-Page. These are just a few.



-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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In article <6jpver$mk5$1@news3.alpha.net>, "slade or kay henson"

<nohow-noway@nowhere.com> writes:



>Oregon--only students that have graduated from National are licensed.

>Washington--only students that have graduated from Bastyr.



Neither statement is true. Students from the accredited residential schools who

pass the NPLEX are licensed equally in both states. In fact, in the one city

block where I work in Seattle, there's three licensed working NDs, two Bastyr

graduates and one National graduate. The National graduate has had her business

here the longest. 



The states  that do have formal laws defining naturopathic physicians are

Alaska, Arizona, Conneticut, Hawaii, Maine, Montana, New Hampshire, Oregon,

Utah, Vermont and Washington. Florida "grandfathered" certain NDs praticing

there, but they do not issue any new licenses at this time.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Seattle, WA

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com



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From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

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There are only 11 states who do not license Naturopathic Doctors. In =

those states, you can practice under a Nutrition Consultant.

Only 7 courses? For a Naturopathic DOCTOR? A certificate for a Doctor? =

What about a Bachelor of Science, a Master of Science first?? How many =

credits are required? Is this accredited?

For my Bachelor of Science, I have 13 courses for a total of 76, which =

also includes 4 credits for a 3,000 to 5,000 paper for the final =

project.=20

For my Master of Science, I have 13 courses again, for a total of 78 =

credits, which also includes a 5,000 to 7,000 word Thesis.

For the Doctor of Naturopathy, I have 13 more courses, for a total of 82 =

credits, which also includes a detailed research paper called a =

Dissertation that has to be 10,000 to 15,000 words in length.

These courses include chemistry, biology, nutrition, psychology, =

herbology, homeopathy and others related to the field. This is not an =

easy task. Plus, on top of it, I have to Intern with an Alternative =

Practitioner. Do you have these with your 7 courses? On top of that, I =

didn't even list the Associates Degree.

I don't know how you can do this with 7 courses. Naturopathic Doctors =

are highly educated in the Sciences. I don't see how you can get this =

with 7 courses. Herbalists take more than 7 courses, too. So do =

Acupuncturists and even Massage Therapists.=20

Is this why people make such fun of correspondence courses and say there =

is no true education? I can't see that with my curriculum, but I can =

with 7 courses.=20





Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Cookie wrote in message +ADw-355F0E0A.40D0+AEA-ptd.net+AD4-...

+AD4-Try http://www.drherbs.com As others have offered as feedback on =

this

+AD4-NG, you can not become a naturopathic without being licensed.  Many

+AD4-states do NOT license NDs.  HOWEVER, there are ways to safely =

practice

+AD4-as just a certified ND.  I am currently taking Herbal Academy's =

course,

+AD4-which consists of 7 different courses to complete for the ND.  Once =

you

+AD4-are done the courses, they will send you information on taking the =

ND

+AD4-licensure exam.

+AD4- If need be, my husband and I will relocate to a state where NDs =

are

+AD4-recognized in the medical field.

+AD4- There is also a course out of UK that simply does homeopathic =

courses.=20

+AD4-If you are interested, let me know and I will ask my co-worker for =

the

+AD4-address.

+AD4-Sincerely

+AD4-Ann Marie

+AD4-mailto:amsarra+AEA-ptd.net





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any cures for ivy poisoning???



From nature@ficom.net Sun May 17 23:58:55 1998

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Thanks for the referral...I took a picture of Jewel weed leaves today, hope

to have it online soon so all can learn to identify it!

Both Pale and Orange Jewelweed work well, both as a preventative and a cure

for poison ivy. Apply fresh plant or tea a few times a day.   Also working

on an easy soap remedy..any ideas please let me know. Last year made one

with ivory soap bars and a strong concoction of jewel weed, it worked well.

Washing with it before going out will also help you avoid the rash to begin

with.

Karen Shelton

www.altnature.com



Geordie Young wrote in message <01bd8148$bf646ca0$7de299d1@wzngfnxm>...

>impatiens pallida (Pale jewel weed) you can make a tea with it or rub a cut

>stem onto effected areas.  Actually I found it at  www.altnature.com

>through this news group.

>Maybe you should check it out.

>Hope you find a cure.

>Best wishes,

>fade

>

>MissLyn <misslyn@aol.com> wrote in article

><1998051623144700.TAA29069@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>> any cures for ivy poisoning???

>>







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I'm in the northeast part of the US, where can I find this plant? I am

EXTREMELY sensitive to ivy/oak/sumac poison and can catch it just by

having the wind blow in my direction. Thanks.



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Pepe` wrote in message <3560BD11.5B5A@itw.com>...

>I'm in the northeast part of the US, where can I find this plant? I am

>EXTREMELY sensitive to ivy/oak/sumac poison and can catch it just by

>having the wind blow in my direction. Thanks.



Hi Pepe,



I am also in the Northeastern US and usually Jewel Weed grows in the same

areas as the poison Ivy but it does not bloom with its little orangey-yellow

flowers till later in the season than it is now.



Regarding your poison Ivy/oak/sumac problem.   Get some Tecnu (name of a

commercial wash product) from the Kenco work store in Woodstock NY area.

They will mail it to you and you can order it with a credit card.   This

stuff is like magic.  Wash with it and rinse with hot water as you can stand

and VOILA! no more poison ivy etc.



It smells like turpentine, and you can use it right after exposure for the

best results.



I have even used it on a badly blistered rash that has been ongoing for

quite a few days with excellent results.



I don't understand why this product is not available in every drugstore.

It really works.



Evelyn







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Hey one and all! Iwas wondering if anyone knew what was in the  Tecnu ? Sounds

like it would greeat to have around. I have a patch of poison ivy by my herb

garden of all places that I am trying to irradicate w/out using

chemicals.Woodashe has been working OK but it is a very persistent plant. Any

other ideas? TIA!

       Marianne



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I have been cutting it down to the ground every time I see any leaves.  This

method worked to rid the yard of some blackberries [the other plant that will grow

no matter how little we want it].  The thought behind it is , if the plant can't

get sunlight through its leaves it eventually dies.  You just have to be

persistant and not let any leaves grow.



good luck

Deb



Magda2 wrote:



> Hey one and all! Iwas wondering if anyone knew what was in the  Tecnu ? Sounds

> like it would greeat to have around. I have a patch of poison ivy by my herb

> garden of all places that I am trying to irradicate w/out using

> chemicals.Woodashe has been working OK but it is a very persistent plant. Any

> other ideas? TIA!

>        Marianne







--

******

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The Puddies wrote:

> 

> Pepe` wrote in message <3560BD11.5B5A@itw.com>...

> >I'm in the northeast part of the US, where can I find this plant? I am

> >EXTREMELY sensitive to ivy/oak/sumac poison and can catch it just by

> >having the wind blow in my direction. Thanks.

> 

> Hi Pepe,

> 

> I am also in the Northeastern US and usually Jewel Weed grows in the same

> areas as the poison Ivy but it does not bloom with its little orangey-yellow

> flowers till later in the season than it is now.

> 

> Regarding your poison Ivy/oak/sumac problem.   Get some Tecnu (name of a

> commercial wash product) from the Kenco work store in Woodstock NY area.

> They will mail it to you and you can order it with a credit card.   This

> stuff is like magic.  Wash with it and rinse with hot water as you can stand

> and VOILA! no more poison ivy etc.

> 

> It smells like turpentine, and you can use it right after exposure for the

> best results.

> 

> I have even used it on a badly blistered rash that has been ongoing for

> quite a few days with excellent results.

> 

> I don't understand why this product is not available in every drugstore.

> It really works.

> 

> Evelyn



Evelyn,



Thanks for the advice but I've already tried Technu with minimal

results. It has worked better than anything else on the market but still

not much for me. I have used both the preventative and the after wash by

Technu without much success. I am VERY sensitive to this evil plant.

There have been times when it gets so bad that the only thing I've found

to help is to burn it off with muriatic acid, this of course eliminates

it immediately but painfully. I was hoping for something less damaging.



Pepe`



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Pepe` wrote in message <35658172.C4B@itw.com>...

>The Puddies wrote:

>>

>> Pepe` wrote in message <3560BD11.5B5A@itw.com>...

>> >I'm in the northeast part of the US, where can I find this plant? I am

>> >EXTREMELY sensitive to ivy/oak/sumac poison and can catch it just by

>> >having the wind blow in my direction. Thanks.

>>

>> Hi Pepe,

>>

>> I am also in the Northeastern US and usually Jewel Weed grows in the same

>> areas as the poison Ivy but it does not bloom with its little

orangey-yellow

>> flowers till later in the season than it is now.

>>

>> Regarding your poison Ivy/oak/sumac problem.   Get some Tecnu (name of a

>> commercial wash product) from the Kenco work store in Woodstock NY area.

>> They will mail it to you and you can order it with a credit card.   This

>> stuff is like magic.  Wash with it and rinse with hot water as you can

stand

>> and VOILA! no more poison ivy etc.

>>

>> It smells like turpentine, and you can use it right after exposure for

the

>> best results.

>>

>> I have even used it on a badly blistered rash that has been ongoing for

>> quite a few days with excellent results.

>>

>> I don't understand why this product is not available in every drugstore.

>> It really works.

>>

>> Evelyn

>

>Evelyn,

>

>Thanks for the advice but I've already tried Technu with minimal

>results. It has worked better than anything else on the market but still

>not much for me. I have used both the preventative and the after wash by

>Technu without much success. I am VERY sensitive to this evil plant.

>There have been times when it gets so bad that the only thing I've found

>to help is to burn it off with muriatic acid, this of course eliminates

>it immediately but painfully. I was hoping for something less damaging.

>

>Pepe`



Hi again, Pepe,



You are probably as allergic to it as I am.   I need to wash with the Tecnu

every day to get rid of the rash.   Remember the Tecnu gets the oil up out

of the skin, and the problem with the plant oil is that it penetrates the

skin VERY deep into the tissues.   Sometimes more than one or two washings

are needed.   Some people I know of are able to get rid of the ivy rash with

only ONE wash, but not me.



If you are THAT allergic (as I am too), I would suggest that you learn to

recognize the offending plants very well, and wear protective clothing if

you work outdoors and then, wash with the Tecnu even if you think you MIGHT

have been near the stuff.   A note:   I have a cousin, who walked near a

fire where brush was being burned.   The oil was in the smoke.   She almost

died - it was in her eyes and everything.   Very bad stuff if you are

allergic.



In my case I get it from my pets who sometimes brush against the plants

outside and then brush against me!



Another tip, when I was a child we used brown soap, you know, like Octagon

laundry soap which worked pretty well too.   But the Tecnu is pretty good

stuff in todays world.



Regards,

Evelyn







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The Puddies wrote:

> 

> Pepe` wrote in message <35658172.C4B@itw.com>...

> >The Puddies wrote:

> >>

> >> Pepe` wrote in message <3560BD11.5B5A@itw.com>...

> >> >I'm in the northeast part of the US, where can I find this plant? I am

> >> >EXTREMELY sensitive to ivy/oak/sumac poison and can catch it just by

> >> >having the wind blow in my direction. Thanks.

> >>

> >> Hi Pepe,

> >>

> >> I am also in the Northeastern US and usually Jewel Weed grows in the same

> >> areas as the poison Ivy but it does not bloom with its little

> orangey-yellow

> >> flowers till later in the season than it is now.

> >>

> >> Regarding your poison Ivy/oak/sumac problem.   Get some Tecnu (name of a

> >> commercial wash product) from the Kenco work store in Woodstock NY area.

> >> They will mail it to you and you can order it with a credit card.   This

> >> stuff is like magic.  Wash with it and rinse with hot water as you can

> stand

> >> and VOILA! no more poison ivy etc.

> >>

> >> It smells like turpentine, and you can use it right after exposure for

> the

> >> best results.

> >>

> >> I have even used it on a badly blistered rash that has been ongoing for

> >> quite a few days with excellent results.

> >>

> >> I don't understand why this product is not available in every drugstore.

> >> It really works.

> >>

> >> Evelyn

> >

> >Evelyn,

> >

> >Thanks for the advice but I've already tried Technu with minimal

> >results. It has worked better than anything else on the market but still

> >not much for me. I have used both the preventative and the after wash by

> >Technu without much success. I am VERY sensitive to this evil plant.

> >There have been times when it gets so bad that the only thing I've found

> >to help is to burn it off with muriatic acid, this of course eliminates

> >it immediately but painfully. I was hoping for something less damaging.

> >

> >Pepe`

> 

> Hi again, Pepe,

> 

> You are probably as allergic to it as I am.   I need to wash with the Tecnu

> every day to get rid of the rash.   Remember the Tecnu gets the oil up out

> of the skin, and the problem with the plant oil is that it penetrates the

> skin VERY deep into the tissues.   Sometimes more than one or two washings

> are needed.   Some people I know of are able to get rid of the ivy rash with

> only ONE wash, but not me.

> 

> If you are THAT allergic (as I am too), I would suggest that you learn to

> recognize the offending plants very well, and wear protective clothing if

> you work outdoors and then, wash with the Tecnu even if you think you MIGHT



I not only work outdoors, my past times include hiking, camping and

canoeing. I can recognize the plant but if I can see it, then I am

already too close to it!



> have been near the stuff.   A note:   I have a cousin, who walked near a

> fire where brush was being burned.   The oil was in the smoke.   She almost

> died - it was in her eyes and everything.   Very bad stuff if you are

> allergic.

> 

> In my case I get it from my pets who sometimes brush against the plants

> outside and then brush against me!

> 

> Another tip, when I was a child we used brown soap, you know, like Octagon

> laundry soap which worked pretty well too.   But the Tecnu is pretty good

> stuff in todays world.

> 

> Regards,

> Evelyn



I remeber and still use the brown soap, Phells Naptha soap is the brand

I get around here. It helps but not much, about the same as the Technu

for me. If you are as sensitive as I am I feel bad for you, this is a

living hell for those of us who LOVE the outdoors and all the fun

associated with it! I hate to say it, but as damaging as it is, I think

I'll stick with the muriatic acid for now.



Pepe`



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In article <1998051623144700.TAA29069@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

MissLyn <misslyn@aol.com> wrote:

>any cures for ivy poisoning???



I don't know if they still make it, but when I was

a kid there was a product called Ivy-Dry, which was

tannic acid in an alcohol base.  Worked great, and it

didn't look like some horrible skin disease like

calamine -- which doesn't work worth squat.











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Has anyone tried the homeopathic Ivy pill??  My daughter has already had

BAD case again this year.  Local heath food store recommended the pill... 

We had to wait about 4 weeks till she was completely cleared up.  Gave it

to her last weekend and am praying that it works!  



kim



Mark Thorson <eee@netcom.com> wrote in article

<eeeEt8zq7.K28@netcom.com>...

> In article <1998051623144700.TAA29069@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

> MissLyn <misslyn@aol.com> wrote:

> >any cures for ivy poisoning???

> 

> I don't know if they still make it, but when I was

> a kid there was a product called Ivy-Dry, which was

> tannic acid in an alcohol base.  Worked great, and it

> didn't look like some horrible skin disease like

> calamine -- which doesn't work worth squat.

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 



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Yes, I think Ivy-Dry worked best for us too. I'm from Missouri and out of

all the many products I tried this was the best. I haven't seen it in the

stores lately.

cwiley



In article <eeeEt8zq7.K28@netcom.com>, eee@netcom.com (Mark Thorson) wrote:



> In article <1998051623144700.TAA29069@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

> MissLyn <misslyn@aol.com> wrote:

> >any cures for ivy poisoning???

> 

> I don't know if they still make it, but when I was

> a kid there was a product called Ivy-Dry, which was

> tannic acid in an alcohol base.  Worked great, and it

> didn't look like some horrible skin disease like

> calamine -- which doesn't work worth squat.



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I have tried the homeopathic pill, and technu soap, but in my case I did

not get any results that I noticed, but others I know spoke well of

them.

I have heard that if you drink the milk from a goat after it eats poison

oak you will become immune to it, I also heard that some bee keepers

sell poison oak honey, and that too is suppose to help. I tried somthing

on my own that I thought would make me immune, but all it did was give

me an itchey butt. This might have been dangerous . but what I did was

cut off very small pieces of a poison oak leaves from fresh sprouts.

about one twentyith the size of a grain of rice. and put them in gelatin

capsuls  which I took three times a day.I do not reccomend this since it

could cause  serious problems in the G.I. Tract. take care Dave



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Hi Dave!

   I am really bummed I gave my Nubian goat away! Thanks for the info.



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  My friend wrote me the following about her husband's lupus. It has just

been diagnosed and they are desperate for help.  Any responses or ideas

appreciated!!



On his scalp, ears, forehead and some facial areas, his skin has turned to

a darker pigmentation that itches and can dry up and look scaly.  He will

get bumps that will itch in areas around the neck and lower chin that also

itch and turn reddish.  On his fingers, in the cuticle area, it can become

painful from infection to totally dry skin that is peeling off.  On one

finger he has an area that looks like he has a callus or corn on it.  All

of this has been going on for over a year.  He has been given antibiotics,

shampoos for the skin discoloration, creams for the fingers and all that

has been different is more dark spots have shown up and the fingers still

hurt.  I have tried vitamin E on him and nothing works.  

-- 

Malinda Mills Jackson

Kokomo, IN



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Its not an herb per se, but recently, there was a story about a

breakthrough in treating scleroderma using an antibiotic, called

miocycline (?spelling). 



This same antibiotic has been used to treat rheumatoid arthritis with

some sucess, and it is believed that lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, and

scleroderma are all related in that they are auto-immune diseases. No

guarantees, but this antibiotic has been used for many years in treating

infections, and should be available through a doctor if other treatments

are not working. 



There is a usenet group called alt.support.lupus  





Jonathan 





Malinda Mills Jackson wrote:

> 

>   My friend wrote me the following about her husband's lupus. It has just

> been diagnosed and they are desperate for help.  Any responses or ideas

> appreciated!!

> 

> On his scalp, ears, forehead and some facial areas, his skin has turned to

> a darker pigmentation that itches and can dry up and look scaly.  He will

> get bumps that will itch in areas around the neck and lower chin that also

> itch and turn reddish.  On his fingers, in the cuticle area, it can become

> painful from infection to totally dry skin that is peeling off.  On one

> finger he has an area that looks like he has a callus or corn on it.  All

> of this has been going on for over a year.  He has been given antibiotics,

> shampoos for the skin discoloration, creams for the fingers and all that

> has been different is more dark spots have shown up and the fingers still

> hurt.  I have tried vitamin E on him and nothing works.

> --

> Malinda Mills Jackson

> Kokomo, IN



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The antibiotic is called Minocycline. I came across this reference to

its use in scleroderma:



http://ww2.altavista.digital.com/cgi-bin/news?msg@1203@alt%2esupport%2escleroderma%26scleroderma%26antibiotic





Jonathan



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In article <356031D7.5521@mail.ju.edu>, Jonathan Byron <jbyron@mail.ju.edu>

writes:



>The antibiotic is called Minocycline. I came across this reference to

>its use in scleroderma:



The scleroderma study was done through Harvard Medical School. 



The theory is that rheumatoid arthritis, lupus, and related diseases may be

triggered and/or aggravated by a bacterial infection (particularily mycoplasma

hominis). By using low level doses of minocycline, the disease can be sent into

remission.



The affect seems to hinge on the use of long-term low level dosages rather

ordinary short term high level dosage, so it's not a normal antibiotic

treatment. This theory has been around for many years, and is throughly

documented in NEW ARTHRITIS BREAKTHROUGH by Henry Scammell (early editions of

the book were called THE ROAD BACK and ARTHRITIS BREAKTHROUGH). The current

edition, published in 1998, does have information on Harvard's scleroderma

study as well as some new information about the connections with lupus.



I just finished reading the book for a book review column. It's very

interesting and well presented. Althrough Dr. Brown was sort of a lone voice in

the wilderness for many years, there's been a number of studies (cited in the

book) that now bear out a number of his theories. You can also get a free

packet of material on this from:

The Road Back Foundation

4085 North Lake Hill Road

Delaware, OH 43015

1-614-227-1556



They ask that you send a self-addressed stamped envelope with enough postage

for 2 ounces.



Hope that helps,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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Lupus is an autoimmune attack primarily on connective tissue, hence the

effects on joints and skin.  Herbs and supplements that preserve and

strengthen connective tissue could be tried.  These include gotu kola, many

of the anthocyanidins and bioflavenoids (extracts from herbs, fruits and

vegetables, often available as complexes - check your local health foods

stores), glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin sulfate (substances

intermediate in the formation of connective tissue), and Vitamin C (also

used in the formation of connective tissue).  For natural sources of

anthocyanidins and other antioxidants, be sure to include lots of fruits and

fruit juices (like purple grapes and their juice, and orange juice with the

pulp), and as much of leafy green vegetables in the diet as possible.



Hope this helps.



-Rich









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On Mon, 18 May 1998 10:49:19 -0400, "Richard Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>Lupus is an autoimmune attack primarily on connective tissue, hence the

>effects on joints and skin.  Herbs and supplements that preserve and

>strengthen connective tissue could be tried.  These include gotu kola, many

>of the anthocyanidins and bioflavenoids (extracts from herbs, fruits and

>vegetables, often available as complexes - check your local health foods

>stores), glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin sulfate (substances

>intermediate in the formation of connective tissue), and Vitamin C (also

>used in the formation of connective tissue).  For natural sources of

>anthocyanidins and other antioxidants, be sure to include lots of fruits and

>fruit juices (like purple grapes and their juice, and orange juice with the

>pulp), and as much of leafy green vegetables in the diet as possible.



I've known for a while now that honeybee stings are helpful for some

MS patients, but I've heard lately that they can be used successfully

on Lupus in some patients...



Working with Essiac as long as I and my wife have, we know it to be a

real immune-system corrector.  Not just a booster, but it seems to

correct the system so that it knows what to attack and what not to

attack.  Perhaps (REAL!) Essiac might help?



Now I don't promote Essiac as a panacea, because it isn't.  But there

are a tremendous number of diseases/ailments that are caused by faulty

immune systems.  Whenever these arise, I always recommend Essiac.



(And btw, yes, my wife is still working on the complete instructions

on how too make TRUE Essiac from scratch.  :)  )











Many well days,



Stephen Fraser

Email: frasers@surenet.net

ICQ: 9825255



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A.Stephen Fraser wrote:



> Working with Essiac as long as I and my wife have, we know it to be a

> real immune-system corrector.  Not just a booster, but it seems to

> correct the system so that it knows what to attack and what not to

> attack.  Perhaps (REAL!) Essiac might help?

>

> Now I don't promote Essiac as a panacea, because it isn't.  But there

> are a tremendous number of diseases/ailments that are caused by faulty

> immune systems.  Whenever these arise, I always recommend Essiac.

>

> (And btw, yes, my wife is still working on the complete instructions

> on how too make TRUE Essiac from scratch.  :)  )

>

> Many well days,

>

> Stephen Fraser

> Email: frasers@surenet.net

> ICQ: 9825255



What exactly is Essiac or panacea?



Thanks,

--

Jen :)



******************************************

Jen Munn's CFIDS Site

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/5762/



Jen's Walk on the Web

http://www.munn.com/~jmunn/

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From nohow-noway@nowhere.com Thu May 21 18:37:34 1998

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From Dr. Linda Rector-Page

"Lupus is a multi-system, auto-immune, inflammatory, viral disease =

affecting over half a million Americans, more than 80 percent of them =

black and Hispanic women. The immune system becomes disoriented and =

develops antibodies that attack its own connective tissue. Joints and =

blood vessels are affected producing arthritis-like symptoms. The =

kidneys and lymph nodes become inflamed, and in severe cases there is =

heart, brain and central nervous system degeneration. Orthodox treatment =

has not been very successful for lupus. Natural therapies help rebuild a =

stable immune system. Our experience shows that you feel worse for 1 or =

2 months until toxins are neutralized. Then, suddenly, as a rule, you =

feel much better. Stick with your program. It works, but requires many =

months of healing.



Common Symptoms: Great fatigue and depression; rough, red skin patches; =

chronic nail fungus--red at cuticle base; skin pallor; photosensitivity =

to light; inability to tear; low grade chronic fever; rheumatoid =

arthritis symptoms; kidney problems; anemia and low leukocyte count; =

pleurisy; inflammation, especially around the mouth, cheeks and nose; =

seizures; amnesia and psychosis; low immunity.



Common Causes: Viral infection; degeneration of the body, often caused =

by too many antibiotics or prescription drugs from Hydrazine =

derivatives; alcoholism; food allergies; emotional stress; reaction to =

certain chemicals; latent diabetes; overgrowth of candida albicans =

yeast; chronic fatigue syndrome; triggered by UV sunlight."



Follow a Detoxification and Arthritis Program under the supervision of a =

professional for at least 60 days.

The diet should be 60 to 75 percent fresh foods. Avoid nightshade plants =

like eggplant, tomatoes and tobacco.

Keep the diet low in fat. A vegetarian diet is recommended to increase =

fatty acids and decrease fats.

Avoid all red meats, refined sugars and high starch foods.



Herbs:

Evening Primrose Oil- 6 caps daily for Essential Fatty Acids.

Pau d' arco tea-- 3 to 4 cups daily or Pau d' arco/echinacea extract in =

water as an anti-infective.

Gota Kola--4 caps daily as a central nervous stimulant.

Turmeric extract as an anti-inflammatory.



Immune stimulants:

High potency royal jelly

Ginseng/Reishi extract.



Supplements:

DHEA

A good multi-vitamin, preferably made from natural sources with chelated =

minerals.

Anti-Oxidants

Vitamin C with bioflavonoids.



Get plenty of rest and quality sleep. Take a walk every day for exercise =

and stress reduction. Other stress reduction techniques include massage, =

meditation, yoga, and acupuncture. There are also stress relieving herbs =

you can look into.

Over medication for lupus, especially by cortico-steroid drugs is =

dangerous. They weaken the bones, cause excess weight gain and =

eventually suppress immune response.



Kay

=20

  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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Hi from a newcomer.  My 14 mo old and 8 yr old both have enlarged left nipples.

 6 doctors, no luck.  I'm trying estrogen balancing herbs--black walnut,

astragulus, red rasberry, and giving sheperds purse.  5 weeks, no change.  Any

ideas will be most appreciated!  Buesig@aol.com





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Have they always been this way??  Maybe it's not a hormonal imbalance thing at

all, but just one of those genetic things (for lack of a better word).  Maybe

that's just the way they ARE!??



Just a thought...



Robin



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From: "David" <dps1@hotmail.com>

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I have a skin disease that I've never really gotten an answer on.  I get a

rashy type of disorder that develops on my back/shoulders/chest area.  I've

been using Lidex or the generic equivalent for quite a long time now.  I

have to use it every 4 days, or else the rashes will get to intense.  I

usually put it on at bedtime, then everything is "Clear" the next morning.

But it always comes back.  I've seen a few dermatologists' which didn't

really do anything but write me more prescriptions for Lidex mainly.  One

said it was a skin "Eczema" and one called it some type of "Dermatitis".  If

anybody has anything that sounds like this, and has found a "Cure" or safer

way to control it, I would like to hear form you.



Thanks for your time,



David











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Many skin diseases reflect a problem within.  You might look at your diet ie

do you eat whole foods or processed.  You might also try herbs to suppost

your liver.  Burdock root comes to mind as does dandelion root as well.  Do

you have access to a naturopathic physician?  If you you might also try some

homeopathis remedies.  Good luck.







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On Sun, 17 May 1998 19:31:34 GMT, "David" <dps1@hotmail.com> wrote:



>I have a skin disease that I've never really gotten an answer on.  I get a

>rashy type of disorder that develops on my back/shoulders/chest area. 



The most likely cause of "eczema" is dairy consumption. The only way to

know is to go dairy-free for a few weeks. Dairy is well hidden in processed

foods under various names. This page points to a bunch of pages that list

them:



  The No Milk Page:   http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/



Don (at panix com).



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Don Wiss (donwiss@no.spam.com) writes:

> On Sun, 17 May 1998 19:31:34 GMT, "David" <dps1@hotmail.com> wrote:

> 

>>I have a skin disease that I've never really gotten an answer on.  I get a

>>rashy type of disorder that develops on my back/shoulders/chest area. 

> 

> The most likely cause of "eczema" is dairy consumption. The only way to

> know is to go dairy-free for a few weeks. Dairy is well hidden in processed

> foods under various names. This page points to a bunch of pages that list

> them:

> 

>   The No Milk Page:   http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/

> 

> Don (at panix com).



Actually, DAIRY isn't ALWAYS the cause of Eczema.  I had it for 9 years,

and my family doctor discovered, that it was my THYROID GLAND.  It was

UNDER-producing a needed hormone in my body.  I've been taking a hormone

pill for 8 months now, my skin has competely cleared up and my skin looks

normal.   I had it everywhere, hands,wrists,elbows,scalp,legs etc... some

areas were worse than others. But it's gone away now; I was able to regrow

'some' of the hair that I lost on my scalp since taking the hormone pill. 



Chris

--

You have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a whoopty doo- Garfield



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I have had eczema since I was 2 years old. My fingernails and toenails would

fall off because of the blisters it caused. It is very frustrating to say

the least plus embarrassing because I had it on my hands so bad I was afraid

for people to see them. I found the best relief from covering my affected

areas with a dermatoligist prescribed cortisone cream then wrapping the area

in celephane (sp) to help the medicine soak into the skin.  I have been told

the cause was everything from citrus allergy to stress but the only thing

that cured me was age. At 27 I am now eczema free and have been for approx.

3&1/2 years. I have not changed my diet nor my stress level (i have a

toddler if anything it has gone up HA) but it just went away on its own.

Good luck to you I know how awful it can be. I would be happy to answer any

of your questions based on my experience with it  by email



Bonnie

 >

>







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On Sun, 17 May 1998 19:31:34 GMT, "David" <dps1@hotmail.com> wrote:



>I have a skin disease that I've never really gotten an answer on.  I get a

>rashy type of disorder that develops on my back/shoulders/chest area.  I've

>been using Lidex or the generic equivalent for quite a long time now.  I

>have to use it every 4 days, or else the rashes will get to intense.  I

>usually put it on at bedtime, then everything is "Clear" the next morning.

>But it always comes back.  I've seen a few dermatologists' which didn't

>really do anything but write me more prescriptions for Lidex mainly.  One

>said it was a skin "Eczema" and one called it some type of "Dermatitis".  If

>anybody has anything that sounds like this, and has found a "Cure" or safer

>way to control it, I would like to hear form you.

>

>Thanks for your time,

>

>David





Dear David,



Hi!  My name is Krista and I'm new to this newsgroup.

My 13yr old son just developed the same problem...eczema.

The doctor prescribed some sort of steroidal cream, which I don't feel

too comfortable with, so I checked in my many herbal books and found

that a wild strawberry leaf infusion is very helpful for some

individuals.  Upon trying a combination of drinking a half cup of tea

and then a wash with the same strength infusion on the affected areas,

I found that I saw the same results with the herbal remedy as I did

with one use of the ointment.

Pesonally, I prefer the natural treatment.

Just a suggestion, and if you want to try it, I can tell you the

measurements you'd require.

Sincerely,

Krista Fraser

frasers@surenet.net

Many well days,



Stephen Fraser,

medieval style bowyer/fletcher

(ICQ: 9825255)



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In alt.support.skin-diseases Jeffrey Dach <jdach@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> David wrote in message ...

>>

>>I have a skin disease that I've never really gotten an answer on.  I get a

>>rashy type of disorder that develops on my back/shoulders/chest area.

>>been using Lidex or the generic equivalent for quite a long time now.  I

>>have to use it every 4 days, or else the rashes will get to intense.  I

>>usually put it on at bedtime, then everything is "Clear" the next morning.

>>But it always comes back.  I've seen a few dermatologists' which didn't

>>really do anything but write me more prescriptions for Lidex mainly.  One

>>said it was a skin "Eczema" and one called it some type of "Dermatitis".

>>If anybody has anything that sounds like this, and has found a "Cure"

>>or safer way to control it, I would like to hear form you.

>

> David, You might want to try something mentioned in Earl Mindell's book the

> supplement bible, called MSM.  

> For more information visit my web site www.medexpert.net

> Jeffrey Dach, M.D.

> jdach@worldnet.att.net

> http://www.medexpert.net

> "Medical Information at Your Fingertips"



Hello David & All,



I'd like to urge caution about asking for a diagnosis or a "cure" on

Usenet. While it is tempting to try to offer a personal solution to "a

rashy type of disorder", it really should be properly diagnosed before

attempting to treat it. Eczema and Atopic Dermatitis are usually

referring to the same very broad category. A bit of research about the

possibilities can make a huge difference when discussing this with a

dermatologist. Most general practitioners are not very good at making an

accurate diagnosis. They generally prescribe a topical steroid in hopes

that the condition will go away. The symptoms generally do at first, but

steroid use for a long period of time can cause serious problems. Get

informed and get a referral to a good dermatologist before exploring

acupuncture or MSM. You could be delaying the treatment of something

easily treated with something more traditional.



Most people are skeptical of quack cures, but when an MD gives advice,

it carries some weight of responsibility for the person he is advising.

In this case he is advising everyone who reads these groups or searches

the archives in the future. 



Dr Dach completely skipped any diagnosis, and suggested a somewhat

controversial "nutritional supplement" called Methyl Sulfonyl Methane,

or DMSO-2. He directed you to his web site for more information, but

there is nothing to be found there about MSM. Even if it were a harmless

placebo pill, a good dermatologist would never give such advice without

more details about the condition.



Dr Dach is a radiologist and "expert witness" in court cases. He should

know better than to be prescribing over the net, whether it is OTC drugs

or vitamins. I took this up with him privately, asking him to provide a

more constructive followup. I suggested that he take a look at a posting

guide for one of the skin-diseses groups at

http://www.pinch.com/skin/guide.html



He said that those common rules of good conduct don't apply to him and

to stop cluttering his mailbox. This is truly a shame. There are several

helpful doctors who post to the skin-diseases groups and offer credible

advice. They adhere to one of the basic principles of their hippocratic

oath: "Do no harm".  Perhaps doctors shouldn't be deified as they are. 

Dr Dach is certainly taking a giant step in that direction. This is a

long response to a few careless words, but somebody needs to say it.



I may be a bit touchy on the subject because my volunteer self-help and

newsgroup archive site was recently criticised for having a link to AMA

site, implying the "nod of approval" of all of its members. Meanwhile,

Dr Dach is promoting himself here with careless advice. I think the AMA 

should spend some time educating their members before flinging arrows.



If you're looking for eczema information and support, there is an

excellent FAQ and an active, archived, mailing list. You can find

pointers to the sites plus some helpful research tools at my page: 



http://www.pinch.com/skin/



Please read the FAQ first, then browse the eczema archive to see if you

want to join the list. Feel free to explore using any of the search

tools to get some ammo for the next meeting with your dermatologist.



-- Ed "spread the word" Anderson



followups set to alt.support.skin-diseases



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David,

I had a very sever case of eczema as a child.

Every crack of my body had the rash...

behind the neck, ears, legs, arms were really bad!

I had to go to bed with sticks on may arms, a special

cream recommended by the Doctor with saran wrap taped

around the whole mess and white gloves.

(all to help me not itch)



This was 30+ years ago.  Doctors knowledge and advice

has hopefully changed since then...as well as "self"  knowledge.



Some things that worked for me during this phase in my life

was elimination of dairy products (including chocolate) and ham.

I was told to drink alot of prune juice and if I had to have milk

only skim milk. (yuk!, but did it).

For me, the new diet assisted the itching and the rash disappeared

for most of my body with the exception of my arms.

The Doctor then said when my blood recycled

(every 7 years...I THINK) the remaining eczema would go away.

Thirty years ago, then a young lady, I started menstruation as as one

curse comes another disappeared.  Yep, eczema all gone that year

and to date.



I guess my advice is to watch your diet under supervision from a

specialist on the subject.



Best wishes,

Lynn in Lakeville,Ma.

p.s. I also had to wear 100% (or as close to it) cotton clothing as

other materials created sweat which increased the itchy feeling

and onset of more eczema.







Jeffrey Dach wrote:



> David, You might want to try something mentioned in Earl Mindell's book the

> supplement bible,

> called MSM.  For more information visit my web site www.medexpert.net

> Jeffrey Dach, M.D.

> jdach@worldnet.att.net

> http://www.medexpert.net

> "Medical Information at Your Fingertips"

> <>

> David wrote in message ...

> >I have a skin disease that I've never really gotten an answer on.  I get a

> >rashy type of disorder that develops on my back/shoulders/chest area.  I've

> >been using Lidex or the generic equivalent for quite a long time now.  I

> >have to use it every 4 days, or else the rashes will get to intense.  I

> >usually put it on at bedtime, then everything is "Clear" the next morning.

> >But it always comes back.  I've seen a few dermatologists' which didn't

> >really do anything but write me more prescriptions for Lidex mainly.  One

> >said it was a skin "Eczema" and one called it some type of "Dermatitis".

> If

> >anybody has anything that sounds like this, and has found a "Cure" or safer

> >way to control it, I would like to hear form you.

> >

> >Thanks for your time,

> >

> >David

> >

> >

> >

> >









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Hi,



I didn't see the original post, but gather that you are looking for help

with eczema.



Tie a handful of oatmeal (the sort used for porridge, or flapjacks) into

a J-cloth, or flannel and hang under the hot tap when you run a bath.

The bathwater will look milky coloured.  Soak in it for 10 minutes, and

it should help a lot with the itching.

-- 

Bernice 



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>

>I didn't see the original post, but gather that you are looking for help

>with eczema.

>

>Tie a handful of oatmeal (the sort used for porridge, or flapjacks) into

>a J-cloth, or flannel and hang under the hot tap when you run a bath.

>The bathwater will look milky coloured.  Soak in it for 10 minutes, and

>it should help a lot with the itching.

>--

>Bernice







My husband suffers from psoriasis (which is like eczema in the itching and

flaking).  We have discovered through painful means at times that the best

things that work are baby oil and almond oil.  The other thing that helps is

lots of sunshine and warmth.



Brenna

Mother of Connor, age 11 months and 26 days

Connor whose reach is getting scarier every day







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Hello!

My 5 yr old son has Eczema on the bottom of both feet. He has had it since he

was 18 months old. What the Doctor told us to do was limit bathing times to 5

min or under. To use the medicated cream until it was healed then use another

type of moisturizing cream. My son is allergic to shoes that have a rubber

insole in them. So he can only wear cork or leather. But what causes it is

excessive sweating and the inability to air out. So this summer my son will

not be wearing his shoes unless he goes out somewhere.

It is also a heriditary condition. My husband has it, grandma has it and so

forth.

Terrible stuff!!



Keri







In article <3568278D.DEFE601B@ici.net>,

  donsoff <donsoff@ici.net> wrote:

>

> David,

> I had a very sever case of eczema as a child.

> Every crack of my body had the rash...

> behind the neck, ears, legs, arms were really bad!

> I had to go to bed with sticks on may arms, a special

> cream recommended by the Doctor with saran wrap taped

> around the whole mess and white gloves.

> (all to help me not itch)

>

> This was 30+ years ago.  Doctors knowledge and advice

> has hopefully changed since then...as well as "self"  knowledge.

>

> Some things that worked for me during this phase in my life

> was elimination of dairy products (including chocolate) and ham.

> I was told to drink alot of prune juice and if I had to have milk

> only skim milk. (yuk!, but did it).

> For me, the new diet assisted the itching and the rash disappeared

> for most of my body with the exception of my arms.

> The Doctor then said when my blood recycled

> (every 7 years...I THINK) the remaining eczema would go away.

> Thirty years ago, then a young lady, I started menstruation as as one

> curse comes another disappeared.  Yep, eczema all gone that year

> and to date.

>

> I guess my advice is to watch your diet under supervision from a

> specialist on the subject.

>

> Best wishes,

> Lynn in Lakeville,Ma.

> p.s. I also had to wear 100% (or as close to it) cotton clothing as

> other materials created sweat which increased the itchy feeling

> and onset of more eczema.

>

> Jeffrey Dach wrote:

>

> > David, You might want to try something mentioned in Earl Mindell's book

the

> > supplement bible,

> > called MSM.  For more information visit my web site www.medexpert.net

> > Jeffrey Dach, M.D.

> > jdach@worldnet.att.net

> > http://www.medexpert.net

> > "Medical Information at Your Fingertips"

> > <>

> > David wrote in message ...

> > >I have a skin disease that I've never really gotten an answer on.  I get

a

> > >rashy type of disorder that develops on my back/shoulders/chest area.

I've

> > >been using Lidex or the generic equivalent for quite a long time now.  I

> > >have to use it every 4 days, or else the rashes will get to intense.  I

> > >usually put it on at bedtime, then everything is "Clear" the next

morning.

> > >But it always comes back.  I've seen a few dermatologists' which didn't

> > >really do anything but write me more prescriptions for Lidex mainly.  One

> > >said it was a skin "Eczema" and one called it some type of "Dermatitis".

> > If

> > >anybody has anything that sounds like this, and has found a "Cure" or

safer

> > >way to control it, I would like to hear form you.

> > >

> > >Thanks for your time,

> > >

> > >David

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

>

>





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Adoptee_@my-dejanews.com wrote in article

<6kfe4b$2qr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> Hello!

> My 5 yr old son has Eczema on the bottom of both feet. He has had it

since he

> was 18 months old. What the Doctor told us to do was limit bathing times

to 5

> min or under. To use the medicated cream until it was healed then use

another

> type of moisturizing cream. My son is allergic to shoes that have a

rubber

> insole in them. So he can only wear cork or leather. But what causes it

is

> excessive sweating and the inability to air out. So this summer my son

will

> not be wearing his shoes unless he goes out somewhere.

> It is also a heriditary condition. My husband has it, grandma has it and

so

> forth.

> Terrible stuff!!

> 

> Keri



The doctor you refer to, is he/she a dermatologist?  If not I would

strongly recommend seeing one about this.  I thought my daughter had

athlete's foot, but my doctor sent me to a dermatologist and the

dermatologist said it was a combination of sweat and dry feet.  The salt in

the sweat was irritating the dry skin and it was peeling her feet.  



Anyway, my point is dermatologists specialize in skin problems, regular

doctors don't.





-- 

~ Lynn~

"Three flowers make a bouquet.  One bouquet makes a day."

                                                                Sally Huss 





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Lynn,

thanks for the Idea. BUT.. It runs in the family. At least on my husbands

side. He has been diagnosed with it so has grandma and great grandma.

Oh well.

Im trying my best now to keep it under control. Right now its almost to the

point of bleeding. It has cracked abit on his one foot. He doesnt help

matters when he picks the dead skin off. Oh well kids will be kids



Keri









In article <01bd89d8$d7b449e0$5b29d4d1@mrsmci.bconnex.net>,

  "mrsmci" <mrsmci@bconnex.net> wrote:

>

> Adoptee_@my-dejanews.com wrote in article

> <6kfe4b$2qr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> > Hello!

> > My 5 yr old son has Eczema on the bottom of both feet. He has had it

> since he

> > was 18 months old. What the Doctor told us to do was limit bathing times

> to 5

> > min or under. To use the medicated cream until it was healed then use

> another

> > type of moisturizing cream. My son is allergic to shoes that have a

> rubber

> > insole in them. So he can only wear cork or leather. But what causes it

> is

> > excessive sweating and the inability to air out. So this summer my son

> will

> > not be wearing his shoes unless he goes out somewhere.

> > It is also a heriditary condition. My husband has it, grandma has it and

> so

> > forth.

> > Terrible stuff!!

> >

> > Keri

>

> The doctor you refer to, is he/she a dermatologist?  If not I would

> strongly recommend seeing one about this.  I thought my daughter had

> athlete's foot, but my doctor sent me to a dermatologist and the

> dermatologist said it was a combination of sweat and dry feet.  The salt in

> the sweat was irritating the dry skin and it was peeling her feet.

>

> Anyway, my point is dermatologists specialize in skin problems, regular

> doctors don't.

>

> --

> ~ Lynn~

> "Three flowers make a bouquet.  One bouquet makes a day."

>                                                                 Sally Huss

>

>





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When I was young, I also had problems with cracking feet when sweating. I had to

limit how much I wore my shoes, and had good ventilation. I had good luck finding

shoes that didnt make me sweat. I still go to Target or Walmart and get those

slipons that are like deck shoes, made with 'netting'. Does he have the same

trouble if you put insole material in his shoes? This may insulate against the

materials, and absorb sweat.



Also try Caldescene Baby Powder in his shoes and on his feet b4 socks. It is

formulated for diaper rash, as well as Bond's powder. Glycerine and Rose Water

worked well on my skin for the cracking.



Could he also have a problem with the soap you are using? Maybe try Aveeno bar or

Neutrogena. The Aveeno can actually help with moisturizing also. Lastly, I have

slight excema on my face and the _dermatologist_ prescribed Desonide Cream .05%

and Aveeno shave cream. These have worked well for me. Maybe also reducing stress

somewhat could help in your H's case. good luck.



Adoptee_@my-dejanews.com wrote:



> Lynn,

> thanks for the Idea. BUT.. It runs in the family. At least on my husbands

> side. He has been diagnosed with it so has grandma and great grandma.

> Oh well.

> Im trying my best now to keep it under control. Right now its almost to the

> point of bleeding. It has cracked abit on his one foot. He doesnt help

> matters when he picks the dead skin off. Oh well kids will be kids

>

> Keri

>

> In article <01bd89d8$d7b449e0$5b29d4d1@mrsmci.bconnex.net>,

>   "mrsmci" <mrsmci@bconnex.net> wrote:

> >

> > Adoptee_@my-dejanews.com wrote in article

> > <6kfe4b$2qr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> > > Hello!

> > > My 5 yr old son has Eczema on the bottom of both feet. He has had it

> > since he

> > > was 18 months old. What the Doctor told us to do was limit bathing times

> > to 5

> > > min or under. To use the medicated cream until it was healed then use

> > another

> > > type of moisturizing cream. My son is allergic to shoes that have a

> > rubber

> > > insole in them. So he can only wear cork or leather. But what causes it

> > is

> > > excessive sweating and the inability to air out. So this summer my son

> > will

> > > not be wearing his shoes unless he goes out somewhere.

> > > It is also a heriditary condition. My husband has it, grandma has it and

> > so

> > > forth.

> > > Terrible stuff!!

> > >

> > > Keri

> >

> > The doctor you refer to, is he/she a dermatologist?  If not I would

> > strongly recommend seeing one about this.  I thought my daughter had

> > athlete's foot, but my doctor sent me to a dermatologist and the

> > dermatologist said it was a combination of sweat and dry feet.  The salt in

> > the sweat was irritating the dry skin and it was peeling her feet.

> >

> > Anyway, my point is dermatologists specialize in skin problems, regular

> > doctors don't.

> >

> > --

> > ~ Lynn~

> > "Three flowers make a bouquet.  One bouquet makes a day."

> >                                                                 Sally Huss

> >

> >

>

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Hello,



    I had eczema when I was a child and my parents brought me to a skin

specialist.  He told me that the acid in citrus fruit causes a big problem

with eczema.  HE was right, everytime I ate oranges my feet would dry up and

crack open.  Also you should get your child to wear 100% cotton socks. In

addition, socks with nylon in it really aggravates the eczema.  So if you

have rugs in the the house this could be causing a problem also.



Sandra



mrsmci wrote in message <01bd89d8$d7b449e0$5b29d4d1@mrsmci.bconnex.net>...

>Adoptee_@my-dejanews.com wrote in article

><6kfe4b$2qr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> Hello!

> My 5 yr old son has Eczema on the bottom of both feet. He has had it

>since he was 18 months old. What the Doctor told us to do was limit bathing

times

>to 5 min or under. To use the medicated cream until it was healed then use

>another type of moisturizing cream. My son is allergic to shoes that have a

>rubber insole in them. So he can only wear cork or leather. But what causes

it

>is excessive sweating and the inability to air out. So this summer my son

>will not be wearing his shoes unless he goes out somewhere.

> It is also a heriditary condition. My husband has it, grandma has it and

>so forth.

> Terrible stuff!!

>

> Keri









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Well! Its under control now. He runs around bare foot except when he goes

outside he has to wear sandals. The concrete is too hot. He doesn't eat much

of citrus fruit. He eats peaches strawberries bananas and grapes. Doesn't

like acidic fruits much.

But thanks for the Idea!



Keri





In article <VXxb1.262$g16.545242@news21.bellglobal.com>,

  "Ross and Sandra Taylor" <__rvtaylor@sympatico.ca> wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

>     I had eczema when I was a child and my parents brought me to a skin

> specialist.  He told me that the acid in citrus fruit causes a big problem

> with eczema.  HE was right, everytime I ate oranges my feet would dry up and

> crack open.  Also you should get your child to wear 100% cotton socks. In

> addition, socks with nylon in it really aggravates the eczema.  So if you

> have rugs in the the house this could be causing a problem also.

>

> Sandra

>

> mrsmci wrote in message <01bd89d8$d7b449e0$5b29d4d1@mrsmci.bconnex.net>...

> >Adoptee_@my-dejanews.com wrote in article

> ><6kfe4b$2qr$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> > Hello!

> > My 5 yr old son has Eczema on the bottom of both feet. He has had it

> >since he was 18 months old. What the Doctor told us to do was limit bathing

> times

> >to 5 min or under. To use the medicated cream until it was healed then use

> >another type of moisturizing cream. My son is allergic to shoes that have a

> >rubber insole in them. So he can only wear cork or leather. But what causes

> it

> >is excessive sweating and the inability to air out. So this summer my son

> >will not be wearing his shoes unless he goes out somewhere.

> > It is also a heriditary condition. My husband has it, grandma has it and

> >so forth.

> > Terrible stuff!!

> >

> > Keri

>

>





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I was recently given a copy of Maeve Grieve's herbal, a reprint from

Barnes and Noble.  Anyone know anything about its usefulness, accuracy,

etc.?

	Mike Acord



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Mrs. Grieve's Herbal (vol 1&2) is a well respected herbal reference.  It's

on my shelf and that of many herbalists I know.







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It's also on the Web, at http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html



-Rich



ma pickle > wrote in message ...

>Mrs. Grieve's Herbal (vol 1&2) is a well respected herbal reference.  It's

>on my shelf and that of many herbalists I know.

>

>







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It's very useful and fun to have around.  Remember it is fairly old so you'll

need to have newer books to back it up with.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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Michael Acord wrote in message <355F6206.324A@concentric.net>...

>I was recently given a copy of Maeve Grieve's herbal, a reprint from

>Barnes and Noble.  Anyone know anything about its usefulness, accuracy,

>etc.?

> Mike Acord



Yep, I own one too. Mrs. Grieve is also referred to on the University of

Washington's Medicinal Herb Garden web site... a great sight if you want to

check it out. It lists many herbs by botanical and common names.

http://www.nnlm.nlm.nih.gov/pnr/uwmhg/index.html







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In article <6jqllu$2rf$1@gte1.gte.net>, "nimah" <nimah@gte.net> writes:



> Mrs. Grieve is also referred to on the University of

>Washington's Medicinal Herb Garden web site... a great sight if you want to

>check it out. It lists many herbs by botanical and common names.

>http://www.nnlm.nlm.nih.gov/pnr/uwmhg/index.html



It's also a beautiful garden to walk through if you happen to be in Seattle.

There's small botanical library next to the garden, and you can use the books

there if you're doing research.  Highly recommended!



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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From: brandtfamily@sprintmail.com (Laurie E. W. Brandt)

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In article <355F6206.324A@concentric.net>, Michael Acord

<mpacord@concentric.net> wrote:



> I was recently given a copy of Maeve Grieve's herbal, a reprint from

> Barnes and Noble.  Anyone know anything about its usefulness, accuracy,

> etc.?

>         Mike Acord



Mike, watch out, she does not site her sources. Ssome articles are lifted

verbatum ie plagerized from the 11th edition Encyclopedia Britanica.

Anyone else recognize any other works? It would be nice to put to gether a

working bibliography and source list for her.

Laurie E. W. Brandt



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On 22 May 1998 14:11:04 GMT, brandtfamily@sprintmail.com (Laurie E. W. Brandt)

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>In article <355F6206.324A@concentric.net>, Michael Acord

><mpacord@concentric.net> wrote:

>

>> I was recently given a copy of Maeve Grieve's herbal, a reprint from

>> Barnes and Noble.  Anyone know anything about its usefulness, accuracy,

>> etc.?

>>         Mike Acord

>

>Mike, watch out, she does not site her sources. Ssome articles are lifted

>verbatum ie plagerized from the 11th edition Encyclopedia Britanica.



Are you sure it's that way around? I wouldn't be surprised if her work was

lifted into the E.B. - she was a classic from the start.



As for sources she used: she does mention Culpeper, Gerard, and others. You

might want to compare some of the early homeopathics, and some of the Eclectic's

work... 



... and I found that the text in one of the newer picture books - 'Herbs' by the

photographer Roger Phillips (? I'm not quite sure about that name) is -verbatim-

lifted from Maude Grieve's work. There's a steal for you - in addition the man

doesn't even say she's the source of all the text. Sheesh! Makes you wonder

where he took the texts for his other picture books - 'Roses', 'Bulbs', 'Trees'

etc. from.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



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Susun Weed has her own blend called Wessiac;  1oz dried cut burdock root,

1/2 oz cut yellow dock root, 1/8 oz powdered slippery elm bark.



Infuse all 3 herbs in 1 quart boiling water for 8 hours.  Strain.

Refrigerate liquid.  Daily dose is 1/2 cup hot or cold



Yellow dock is easier on the intestines than turkey rhubarb.



Recipie from SusanWeed Breast Cancer Breast Health.



Green blessings.

Ingrid







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I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me 

terrible headaches. I'm 32 yrs old, and in pretty good health. I do

not have high blood pressure. I do not suffer from migraines. I am not

taking any other medication. My diet is pretty good, and hasn't

changed. Has anyone else experienced bad headaches from SJW, or other

side effects from taking it long term?



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro





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darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin) wrote:



>I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

>good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me 

>terrible headaches. 

 So, you now are experiencing side effects.  Take a holiday from

it for a few weeks and see what happens.  



 Did you change brands?  Perhaps there is something in the one

you are using now that is part of the problem.  If you did, go

back to the brand you used without problems.



 as for other side effects, it's been tenuously linked to a

peripheral neuritis - burning sensations in hands and feet - but

I'm still looking for the orignal research.



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On 18 May 1998 04:05:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

wrote:



>darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin) wrote:

>

>>I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

>>good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me 

>>terrible headaches. 

> So, you now are experiencing side effects.  Take a holiday from

>it for a few weeks and see what happens.  

>

> Did you change brands?  Perhaps there is something in the one

>you are using now that is part of the problem.  If you did, go

>back to the brand you used without problems.

>

> as for other side effects, it's been tenuously linked to a

>peripheral neuritis - burning sensations in hands and feet - but

>I'm still looking for the orignal research.



I've been using the same standardized brand for 2 years now. I tried

not taking it for 1 week, and as soon as I took one capsule, I got a 

pounding headache within an hour. I'm gonna try staying off it for at

least a month or 2,  make sure it's all out of my system, and try

again. 



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

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darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin) wrote:





>I've been using the same standardized brand for 2 years now. I tried

>not taking it for 1 week, and as soon as I took one capsule, I got a 

>pounding headache within an hour.

  Truly wierd - that's what licorice does to me.



  Get a fresh bottle, from a different lot number or manufacturer

and see if it happens again.  There may be something wring with

the batch you are using.



  Lemon balm (Melissa officinalis) and Damiana (especially if you

can find good bulk leaves with a very pungent aroma) are both

"anti-melancholy" herbs. 



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I have heard of severe headaches with SJW being linked to smoking ... did you

just start smoking?



> as for other side effects, it's been tenuously linked to a

>peripheral neuritis - burning sensations in hands and feet - but

>I'm still looking for the orignal research.



Someone was asking about that here a few months ago, but they described it as

photosensitivity.  That person's post sounded more like what you're describing.

 If you find the research, will you please let us know ??? TIA, BB2



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On 18 May 1998 18:14:35 GMT, blessedby2@aol.com (BlessedBy2) wrote:



>x-no-archive: yes

>

>I have heard of severe headaches with SJW being linked to smoking ... did you

>just start smoking?

>

No, I do not smoke. The only thing I've changed in my life, is that

I'm exercising more than I used to. 



Darrin's Vegas News and Links

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Darrin wrote in message <355fbff7.1164907@news.infi.net>...

>I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

>good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me

>terrible headaches. I'm 32 yrs old, and in pretty good health. I do

>not have high blood pressure. I do not suffer from migraines. I am not

>taking any other medication. My diet is pretty good, and hasn't

>changed. Has anyone else experienced bad headaches from SJW, or other

>side effects from taking it long term?



Taking any herb (or indeed any food) day in and day out for an extended

period, is likely to cause the body to have some sort of negative reaction.

You need to give the body periodic rests from taking an herb.  I find that 6

days on and 1 day off, work well to extend the length of time you can

continue to take something.  However, even doing this, you will eventually

have to "switch off" to another herb for a while (6-months to a year),

before returning to steady use of the original herb.



I would suggest you try a combination of Chamomile, Valerian and Black

Cohosh.  If these don't work for you, get a good herbal book ("Nutritional

Herbology" by Mark Pedersen is a great one), and look up nervines and muscle

relaxants.  This one of the reasons that it is important to do your own

research, rather than jumping on the "popular bandwagon".  It is also great

to know that there are many alternatives available.

--

Marie (using my husband's addy)

For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206>



>Darrin's Vegas News and Links

>http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro

>







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In article <355fbff7.1164907@news.infi.net>, darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

writes:



>

>I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

>good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me 

>terrible headaches. I'm 32 yrs old, and in pretty good health. I do

>not have high blood pressure. I do not suffer from migraines. I am not

>taking any other medication. My diet is pretty good, and hasn't

>changed. Has anyone else experienced bad headaches from SJW, or other

>side effects from taking it long term?

>



How do you know it's the SJW if nothing has changed? 



Crippling headaches don't just happen because they can. Go and see a proper

doctor if only for peace of mind (no pun intended, likesay).





Terwur (-:

----------

PLEASURE?

"The only band in the world with a Musical Safety Officer" - NME

"What's all this about psychatrists?" - A.M Baker. 





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On 18 May 1998 20:57:15 GMT, terwur@aol.com (Terwur) wrote:



>In article <355fbff7.1164907@news.infi.net>, darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

>writes:

>

>>

>>I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

>>good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me 

>>terrible headaches. I'm 32 yrs old, and in pretty good health. I do

>>not have high blood pressure. I do not suffer from migraines. I am not

>>taking any other medication. My diet is pretty good, and hasn't

>>changed. Has anyone else experienced bad headaches from SJW, or other

>>side effects from taking it long term?

>>

>

>How do you know it's the SJW if nothing has changed? 

>

>Crippling headaches don't just happen because they can. Go and see a proper

>doctor if only for peace of mind (no pun intended, likesay).



It's pretty simple.  I take SJW, I get a massive headache within an

hour. I don't take it, I don't get any headaches. 



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In article <3561a25c.2420643@news.infi.net>, darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

writes:



>

>On 18 May 1998 20:57:15 GMT, terwur@aol.com (Terwur) wrote:

>

>>In article <355fbff7.1164907@news.infi.net>, darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

>>writes:

>>

>>>

>>>I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

>>>good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me 

>>>terrible headaches. I'm 32 yrs old, and in pretty good health. I do

>>>not have high blood pressure. I do not suffer from migraines. I am not

>>>taking any other medication. My diet is pretty good, and hasn't

>>>changed. Has anyone else experienced bad headaches from SJW, or other

>>>side effects from taking it long term?

>>>

>>

>>How do you know it's the SJW if nothing has changed? 

>>

>>Crippling headaches don't just happen because they can. Go and see a proper

>>doctor if only for peace of mind (no pun intended, likesay).

>

>It's pretty simple.  I take SJW, I get a massive headache within an

>hour. I don't take it, I don't get any headaches. 

>



Oh well. There you go then. Stop taking it.





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Darrin wrote in message <355fbff7.1164907@news.infi.net>...

>I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

>good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me

>terrible headaches. I'm 32 yrs old, and in pretty good health. I do

>not have high blood pressure. I do not suffer from migraines. I am not

>taking any other medication. My diet is pretty good, and hasn't

>changed. Has anyone else experienced bad headaches from SJW, or other

>side effects from taking it long term?

>

>Darrin's Vegas News and Links

>http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro

>

Just thought I'd throw in my 2 cents worth... It is possible to develop

sensitivities or allergic reactions to herbs when taken over a long period

of time. If it were me, I'd rather live without the sjw than suffer those

kinds of headaches.







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Sorry for the no-archiving ... my son's SJW story generates more e-mail than I

can handle ...



>That's an idea. I have an un-opened bottle. I'm gonna wait a few weeks

>anyway,  get it all out of my system, and see what happems.



Will you please let us know ??  I follow SJW very closely, as it is so

important to my young son.  



Regarding other anti-melancholy herbs and some of the more recent controversy

and statements about SJW on other threads, I will point out that not everyone

is taking SJW for melancholy or as a faddish feel-good remedy.  My son has mild

Tourette Syndrome, and SJW has been a godsend for him.  It works in so many

different ways that it has helped him return to complete normalcy without any

side effects.  I don't think there's anything else that could be as effective. 

As to the controversy on other threads about standardization, I would also

point out that SJW is an herb -- standardized or not -- and this is the place

to talk about it.  With a young child, I have no option but to use a

standardized formula that is working.  I cannot put him at risk for a major

depression by experimenting with making my own tinctures.   The standardized

formula is working, so I stick with it.  And I'm sure the reason it works is

that, standardized for hypericin or not, he is getting the benefit of SJW's

many different effects on several different neurotransmitters -- the small

streams that form to make a river.



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>In article <355fbff7.1164907@news.infi.net>, darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

>writes:

>

>I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

>good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me 

>terrible headaches. I'm 32 yrs old, and in pretty good health. I do

>not have high blood pressure. I do not suffer from migraines. I am not

>taking any other medication. My diet is pretty good, and hasn't

>changed. Has anyone else experienced bad headaches from SJW, or other

>side effects from taking it long term?



Personally, I think something else may be a factor in these migraines. 

Like are you under more or less stress? etc...



Ok. After saying that I can say it does make my migraines worse.

I tried taking St. John's Wort for my chronic depression. It did

seem to help, but at the same time my migraines increased in frequency,

intensity and duration. After having a severe migraine for 4 days,

I gave up on this herb. I'd suggest *anyone* that suffers migraines

to advoid this herb. If you try it, use extreme caution. From what

I have read the problem lies within what makes it good for depression

is what makes it bad from migraines. The MAOI effect it has.



Having this problem, I'm alittle annoyed that some manufacturers are

starting to stick it into a variety of their products. Like, I have 

found it mixed in (very liberal amounts of it) with 5-HTP. 5-HTP being

being good for people with migraines, but lumping SJW in with it makes

it useless for me. I wish manufacturers would quit following fads.

I bet they only do it since SJW seems to be an "in" herb right now.



Tim





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Is it possible that there may be a confliction between St John's Wort

and a certain food you may be eating?



Are you taking any vitamin supplements along with it?

Drinking anything alcoholic?

(smoking has apparently already been ruled out)

Taking it in combination with any other medicine?



Lastly, if you were the one who also mentioned that you were working out

more, are you giving your body proper amounts of water, and eating

right?



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Timothy Timbrook wrote:

> 

> >In article <355fbff7.1164907@news.infi.net>, darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

> >writes:

> >

> >I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

> >good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me

> >terrible headaches. I'm 32 yrs old, and in pretty good health. I do

> >not have high blood pressure. I do not suffer from migraines. I am not

> >taking any other medication. My diet is pretty good, and hasn't

> >changed. Has anyone else experienced bad headaches from SJW, or other

> >side effects from taking it long term?

> 

> Personally, I think something else may be a factor in these migraines.

> Like are you under more or less stress? etc...

> 

> Ok. After saying that I can say it does make my migraines worse.

> I tried taking St. John's Wort for my chronic depression. It did

> seem to help, but at the same time my migraines increased in frequency,

> intensity and duration. After having a severe migraine for 4 days,

> I gave up on this herb. I'd suggest *anyone* that suffers migraines

> to advoid this herb. If you try it, use extreme caution. From what

> I have read the problem lies within what makes it good for depression

> is what makes it bad from migraines. The MAOI effect it has.

> 

> Having this problem, I'm alittle annoyed that some manufacturers are

> starting to stick it into a variety of their products. Like, I have

> found it mixed in (very liberal amounts of it) with 5-HTP. 5-HTP being

> being good for people with migraines, but lumping SJW in with it makes

> it useless for me. I wish manufacturers would quit following fads.

> I bet they only do it since SJW seems to be an "in" herb right now.

> 

> Tim



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On Tue, 19 May 1998 14:10:02 GMT, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>Is it possible that there may be a confliction between St John's Wort

>and a certain food you may be eating?

I haven't changed my diet at all. So if it is a conflict, it just

started.

>

>Are you taking any vitamin supplements along with it?

Yes, I've always taken vitamin supplements in the morning.



>Drinking anything alcoholic?

not really, other than an occasional drink here and there.

>(smoking has apparently already been ruled out)



>Taking it in combination with any other medicine?

nope, nothing else.



>Lastly, if you were the one who also mentioned that you were working out

>more, are you giving your body proper amounts of water, and eating

>right?

Yes....







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On Tue, 19 May 1998 14:10:02 GMT, 

Valerian   <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>Is it possible that there may be a confliction between St John's Wort

>and a certain food you may be eating?



If you are commenting on my troubles with it, the MAOI effect explains

it fairly well. (MAOI: monoamine oxidase inhibitor) This blocks an

enzyme from breaking down a large variety of animes in the body.

Raising levels of certain animes in the blood will trigger migraines

in some people. Come to think of it, this can also cause problems

with people that have high blood pressure too.



When it comes to MAOIs, one has to watch out what one eats to advoid

this problem.



Tim



p.s. I believe in another post you said Valerian is a depressant?

With many people it has the opposite effect, hence, more of a 

stimulant.





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On Tue, 19 May 98 12:46:47 EDT, "Timothy Timbrook" <timothyt@bright.net> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>>Is it possible that there may be a confliction between St John's Wort

>>and a certain food you may be eating?

>

>If you are commenting on my troubles with it, the MAOI effect explains

>it fairly well. (MAOI: monoamine oxidase inhibitor)



St.John's wort (the herb) is NOT a MAO inhibitor. Hypericin (the singled-out

constituent) is. Yet another question on why people get reactions - could

capsules and/or extracts be spiked with the pure constituent?



Henriette



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In article <356a662d.3846397@news.theriver.com>,

  HeK@hetta.pp.fi wrote:

>

> On Tue, 19 May 98 12:46:47 EDT, "Timothy Timbrook" <timothyt@bright.net>

wrote

> in alt.folklore.herbs:

>

> >>Is it possible that there may be a confliction between St John's Wort

> >>and a certain food you may be eating?

> >

> >If you are commenting on my troubles with it, the MAOI effect explains

> >it fairly well. (MAOI: monoamine oxidase inhibitor)

>

> St.John's wort (the herb) is NOT a MAO inhibitor. Hypericin (the singled-out

> constituent) is. Yet another question on why people get reactions - could

> capsules and/or extracts be spiked with the pure constituent?

>

> Henriette

>

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>









So MAO inhibitors are bad for migraines and the hypercin is what increases my

migraines when I take the SJW?  DO they make the SJW without the hypercin?  I

always see them packaged together.  I have been going crazy trying to figure

out what is increasing my migraines lately.  I'm glad that this could be it

because it's easy enough to cut.  I've been trying to cut out dairy and wheat

among other food staples because they are listed as headache triggers on the

excedrin.com migraine trigger list.

thanks for the post



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mwong@cybernautics.com wrote:



>DO they make the SJW without the hypercin? 

  You might try making a tea out of the raw herb - or perhaps

there is something else in your brand that is causing the

problem.



  Other anti-depressant herbs: lemon balm and damiana wokr for

many people.



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> p.s. I believe in another post you said Valerian is a depressant?

> With many people it has the opposite effect, hence, more of a

> stimulant.



Valerian is a depressant. I forget all the details, but in some people

it acts as a stimulant, I believe the figure standing is 2%. It's in a

conversion process, something where it doesn't get converted over to

another form properly, thereby it acts as a stumulant. 



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Hello Darrin,



I use St. John's Wort infused oil as carrier oil on some of my

clients.  So I do try and keep up with any research.  



While it can be great for treating mild to moderate depression, it can

photo sensitise the skin, from both oral and topical use.   Thus

research "appears" to indicate that a lower dose is recomended during

the summer.  But one thing is clear, long term use is not recomended.

As with any drug, Natural or synthetic, the body can build up

resistance, and side effects can increase.  



Thus a break from taking the St. John's Wort would be my recomendation

and not take St. John's Wort, or any other self medicated drug, for

more than six months. 



I hope this helps a little



On Mon, 18 May 1998 01:06:15 -0400, darrinh@injersey.com (Darrin)

wrote:



>I've been taking St. John's Wort 3 times a day for over 2 years, with

>good results, and not a single side effect. But now, it's giving me 

>terrible headaches. I'm 32 yrs old, and in pretty good health. I do

>not have high blood pressure. I do not suffer from migraines. I am not

>taking any other medication. My diet is pretty good, and hasn't

>changed. Has anyone else experienced bad headaches from SJW, or other

>side effects from taking it long term?

>

>Darrin's Vegas News and Links

>http://www.angelfire.com/nj/kitaro

>





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On Tue, 19 May 1998 21:39:05 -0700, 

michelle   <mcwright@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



>>... 

>> >Is it possible that there may be a confliction between St John's Wort

>> >and a certain food you may be eating?

>>... 

>> When it comes to MAOIs, one has to watch out what one eats to advoid

>> this problem.

...

>

>What foods should one avoid while taking MAO inhibitors?

>



One should advoid tyramine. Which is found in: aged cheese, beer, 

wine, pickled herring, chicken liver, yeast, coffee, broad-bean pods, 

and canned figs. I pulled this out of a book I had handy, but the list

seems incomplete. I think I've read in another book an even longer 

list, but this should give you an idea on what to advoid.



Tim





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Guess I forgot to add that even though my younger son has benefited greatly

from SJW, when I tried on three different occassions to give it to my older

son, he instantly got a severe headache.  Maybe some people just don't need a

serotonin boost.  It definitely wasn't an MAOI interaction or a problem with

long-term use of SJW.  He just can't take SJW.



As to the MAOI dietary restrictions, I know they're available on a website that

I can't locate right now.  Do a search on MAOI dietary restrictions.  At any

rate, most of the current info about SJW indicates that it's MAOI effect is so

mild that it is not necessary to follow an MAOI diet.  My son took an adult

dosage of SJW without ever following MAOI dietary restrictions.  You can read

about this on any of the following websites:



http://www.primenet.com/~camilla/STJOHNS.FAQ

http://www.eclecticphysician.com/hypericum.shtml#Action/Effects

http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5942/geninfo.htm

http://www.hypericum.com



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On 20 May 1998 14:21:22 GMT, 

BlessedBy2  <blessedby2@aol.com > wrote:



>... Maybe some people just don't need a serotonin boost.



The headaches are NOT from serotonin levels raising! 



It's from tyramine levels going up with a number of other things. 

Which can be unhealthy for some people. Prescription MAOIs actually

caused deaths the first time they came out before they figured out 

the side-effects, like high levels of tyramine.



Want a serotonin boost? Try 5-HTP (a potent form of tryptophan).

May not be as effective over a long period of time, but may be

safer. imo.



Tim





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>>... Maybe some people just don't need a serotonin boost.

>

>The headaches are NOT from serotonin levels raising! 



They could be.  I don't believe we know that information yet - there is still a

good deal of controversy.  At any rate, SJW also appears to work on serotonin,

as well as a number of other neurotransmitters.  Something like Serotonin

Syndrome comes to mind.  At any rate, what I meant to say more precisely is

that perhaps my older son doesn't need any adjustment in his neurotransmitters,

so whatever neurotransmitters SJW works on (and it works on most of them), the

boost isn't needed for him.



>Prescription MAOIs actually

>caused deaths the first time they came out before they figured out 

>the side-effects, like high levels of tyramine.



Prescription MAOI's didn't cause the deaths -- the dietary interactions did ...

no ????  MAOI's are hardly used any more because of the dietary restriction

problems.  SJW does not appear to have such a strong MAO inhibition effect as

the prescription MAOI's, and I have seen multiple studies and recommendations

that an MAOI diet need not be followed with SJW.  At any rate, it's still

something to watch out for until more is known, but it is not a problem for the

majority of folks.



>Want a serotonin boost? Try 5-HTP (a potent form of tryptophan).

>May not be as effective over a long period of time, but may be

>safer. imo.



Nope - we don't want a serotonin boost.  A number of neurotransmitters appear

to be involved with Tourette Syndrome, and it is also understudied.  Whatever

combination of neurotransmitter effects SJW has, it has worked for my son with

no side effects -- so I don't want to concentrate only on serotonin.  The

beauty of SJW appears to be the many ways it works mildly on many different

neurotransmitters -- the small streams that form to make a river.  If it were

clear that only serotonin was involved in TS, I could use an SSRI like Prozac. 

Regarding the serotonin effect, I will point out that I had a very hard time

reducing his SJW dosage because he became depressed/anxious again right away. 

Then someone sent me some research about Serotonin Withdrawal Syndrome - when

you withdraw a prescription SSRI, depressive symptoms resulting from the

withdrawal can appear!  Once I took that into account and reduced his SJW ever

so ever so gradually, I was able to get him down from 3 capsules a day to 1.  

He's been fine there for almost a month, so I'm going to try to take him off of

SJW for the summer.   Leading me to think that SJW does have a pretty

significant serotonin effect, along with its other effects on other

neurotransmitters.  This is all covered in the websites I previously quoted,

particularly the first one:



http://www.primenet.com/~camilla/STJOHNS.FAQ







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In article <54398.timothyt@bright.net>,

  "Timothy Timbrook" <timothyt@bright.net> wrote:

>

> On 20 May 1998 14:21:22 GMT,

> BlessedBy2  <blessedby2@aol.com > wrote:

>

> >... Maybe some people just don't need a serotonin boost.

>

> The headaches are NOT from serotonin levels raising!

>

> It's from tyramine levels going up with a number of other things.

> Which can be unhealthy for some people. Prescription MAOIs actually

> caused deaths the first time they came out before they figured out

> the side-effects, like high levels of tyramine.

>



what is 5-htp?  Is that an abbreviation for something?  Is it an herb?



> Want a serotonin boost? Try 5-HTP (a potent form of tryptophan).

> May not be as effective over a long period of time, but may be

> safer. imo.

>

> Tim

>

>





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On Wed, 20 May 1998 05:12:32 GMT, 

Henriette Kress  <HeK@hetta.pp.fi > wrote:



>St.John's wort (the herb) is NOT a MAO inhibitor. Hypericin (the singled-out

>constituent) is. Yet another question on why people get reactions - could

>capsules and/or extracts be spiked with the pure constituent?



Hrm. What's your point?! St. John's Wort is Hypericum (Perforatum?).

When it is standardized, guess what they manipulate? The Hypericin

levels! Usually 0.3% Hypericin, if I recall rightly. So you're either

confused or comparing apples with oranges. Because when you take SJW,

you ARE taking Hypericin.



On spiked: What do you think they do when they make standardized herbs?



Tim





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Timothy Timbrook wrote:

> 

> On Wed, 20 May 1998 05:12:32 GMT,

> Henriette Kress  <HeK@hetta.pp.fi > wrote:

> 

> >St.John's wort (the herb) is NOT a MAO inhibitor. Hypericin (the singled-out

> >constituent) is. Yet another question on why people get reactions - could

> >capsules and/or extracts be spiked with the pure constituent?

> 

> Hrm. What's your point?! St. John's Wort is Hypericum (Perforatum?).

> When it is standardized, guess what they manipulate? The Hypericin

> levels! Usually 0.3% Hypericin, if I recall rightly. So you're either

> confused or comparing apples with oranges. Because when you take SJW,

> you ARE taking Hypericin.

> 

> On spiked: What do you think they do when they make standardized herbs?

> 

> Tim

-------



Tim,



Woah bud, a bit less angry young poster righteousness.  SJW or any other

herb is more than just the constituent standardized in an extract . 

When you take SJW you do get hypericin, but not only hypericin - in fact

you only get 0.3% of it, as you rightly say.    



Aside from the excipients which form the bulk in tablets there's a stack

of other chemicals in SJW, here's a selection:



hyperforin - a phloroglucin derivative

2-methyl-3-butene-2-ol - an essential oil

norathyriol - a xanthone (also considered an antidepressant!)

biapigenin - biflavonoid

pseudo hypericin - a naphthodianthrone like hypericin

quercetin and quercetin glycosides (hyperoside/rutin etc) - flavonoids 

catechin, epicatechin - tannins

clorogenic acid, caffeic acid - plant acids



These things aren't tested for in yr off the shelf SJW extract but most

are there too.  The hypericin is important and it is the marker that

they test to ensure standardization, but you want to be the brave man to

say that only hypericin alone is doing the job?  Not even the extract

manfacturers say that.



Spiking refers here to adding the pure synthetic compound.  I haven't

been able to check a price for synth. hypericin but I actually disagree

with Henriette on this one as I am sure it is too expensive to make

spiking SJW extract economically viable.  



Spiking should be more of an issue when the synth form is much cheaper

eg willow bark extract 15% salicin - costs around 150 dollars a kilo - 

you could spike with acetyl salicylic acid (aspirin) that only costs a

couple of dollars a kilo.  The same deal with "high potency" guarana

when synthetic caffeine anhydrous is less than 7 buckos a kilo.....





love and kisses,

Nick



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Timothy Timbrook wrote:



> On Wed, 20 May 1998 05:12:32 GMT,

> Henriette Kress  <HeK@hetta.pp.fi > wrote:

>

> >St.John's wort (the herb) is NOT a MAO inhibitor. Hypericin (the singled-out

> >constituent) is. Yet another question on why people get reactions - could

> >capsules and/or extracts be spiked with the pure constituent?

>

> Hrm. What's your point?! St. John's Wort is Hypericum (Perforatum?).

> When it is standardized, guess what they manipulate? The Hypericin

> levels! Usually 0.3% Hypericin, if I recall rightly. So you're either

> confused or comparing apples with oranges. Because when you take SJW,

> you ARE taking Hypericin.

>



When you take the whole herb, you are also getting all the constituants of the

herb.  Not apples and oranges, but maybe apples and applesauce [?].  In other

words, you are getting Hypericin AND the rest of the herb which is different than

just Hypericin.



> On spiked: What do you think they do when they make standardized herbs?



Which is why I object to standardized herbal products.  Thanks for helping make

my point.  ;>



Deb



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Deb <deb@mt.jeff.com> wrote:



>> On spiked: What do you think they do when they make standardized herbs?



There are two ways to make standardized - 

1. Take the batch that is naturally higher than standard and

blend it with a batch that is lower than standard to get a blend

that is at the desired level.

  This way maintains the relative level of the rest of the

constituents (the ones you aren't measuring).



2. Boost the level of the constituent you are standardizing on by

adding a concentrate of that constituent alone.

  This is a bad idea - you can take really feeble raw materials

and boost the levels to match those of "prime" material - and one

that is NOT recommended by any of my pharmacy books.



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Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> 

> Deb <deb@mt.jeff.com> wrote:

> 

> >> On spiked: What do you think they do when they make standardized herbs?

> 

> There are two ways to make standardized -

> 1. Take the batch that is naturally higher than standard and

> blend it with a batch that is lower than standard to get a blend

> that is at the desired level.

>   This way maintains the relative level of the rest of the

> constituents (the ones you aren't measuring).

> 

> 2. Boost the level of the constituent you are standardizing on by

> adding a concentrate of that constituent alone.

>   This is a bad idea - you can take really feeble raw materials

> and boost the levels to match those of "prime" material - and one

> that is NOT recommended by any of my pharmacy books.



------------







Word was that Chilean SJW herb comes up 0.3% hypericin without

extraction, ie it's the natural content of the herb powder, no

extraction / concentration needed.  Other origins can be much lower. 

Chinese herb evidently has almost no hypericin in it at all.



The market wants 0.3% so if yr herb doesn't have that in it "as is" then

you have to extract and standardize your process to aim to get the same

levels all the time.  Bingo, standardized extracts.



Of course, sometimes low "off spec" batches get produced and end up on

the market and I know guys who have tried to blend a tonne of 0.26 with

a tonne of 0.34 to average it out at 0.3%.  Not easy, especially if the

respective test methods on the two assays aren't the same  ;).



Point 2 - is a real concern when the synthetic version of the active is

cheap and cheerful compared to the natural - caffeine and salicylates

are the two best examples.   Vit C too now I think about it for

acerola.  Not so much of a health issue providing no OD's, but major

rip-off potential.



Regs

Nick



ps sorry Darrin mate, we seem to have lost yr thread a bit here.



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On 20 May 1998 16:20:31 GMT, 

BlessedBy2  <blessedby2@aol.com > wrote:



>>>... Maybe some people just don't need a serotonin boost.

>>

>>The headaches are NOT from serotonin levels raising! 

>

>They could be.  I don't believe we know that information yet - there is still a

>good deal of controversy.



I'm not an expert, but I *seriously* doubt it! Serotonin plays a role 

in pain control. A raise in serotonin levels will reduce pain. Let's

say I've done some reading /research on serotonin over the years in

relation to headaches. Now, a drop in serotonin, may trigger a 

headache, but that still doesn't counter what I said. ;)



>... At any rate, SJW also appears to work on serotonin, as well as a number 

>of other neurotransmitters.  



As does most of the older antidepressants, including the tricyclics.



>>Prescription MAOIs actually

>>caused deaths the first time they came out before they figured out 

>>the side-effects, like high levels of tyramine.

>

>Prescription MAOI's didn't cause the deaths -- the dietary interactions did ...

>no ????



You're making a rather fine distinction. Doctors didn't warn the 

patients that eating certain foods will kill them while one the

meds they were given them. Sure it's the combination of the two 

that killed them, but if they wasn't taking the MAOIs the food 

wouldn't have killed them.



>... MAOI's are hardly used any more because of the dietary restriction

>problems.



Incorrect/Outdated info. A newer generation of MAOIs are now being 

prescribed along with diet warnings. Some ppl with hopeless depression

find it the only thing that helps.



>... SJW does not appear to have such a strong MAO inhibition effect as

>the prescription MAOI's,



Never said that it was a "strong" effect. Actually there are a number 

of herbs that have this effect. Like Passion Flower. ;)



>... and I have seen multiple studies and recommendations that an MAOI 

>diet need not be followed with SJW. 



It wouldn't be the first study that was wrong or faulty either.



>Nope - we don't want a serotonin boost.  A number of neurotransmitters appear

>to be involved with Tourette Syndrome, and it is also understudied.



Never said he'd only need this.



>... I could use an SSRI like Prozac. 



I'd bet real money Prozac has more side-effects and more toxic than 

5-HTP.



>Regarding the serotonin effect, I will point out that I had a very hard time

>reducing his SJW dosage because he became depressed/anxious again right away. 



Serotonin plays a major role in a large variety of functions.

Among them it's known to play a role in anxiety.

(also: pain and sleep, among others)



Tim





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On Wed, 20 May 1998 18:21:10 +0100, 

Nick   <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>Woah bud, a bit less angry young poster righteousness.



Well point out what facts I was incorrect on? Heh. Young? You don't 

have a clue on my age. You assume too much. Not I.



>... SJW or any other herb is more than just the constituent standardized 

>in an extract . When you take SJW you do get hypericin, but not only 

>hypericin - in fact you only get 0.3% of it, as you rightly say.    



So? That doesn't invalidate what I said. You Still Take hypericin If 

You Take SJW. Very tiny amounts of substances can have a very large 

impact on the body. So, what's your point? I see none.



It's like saying taking willow bark doesn't reduce swelling, it's the 

salicylic acid in it. Which I find to be pretty silly to say the herb

didn't do it something in it did it.



Taking SJW will give you a MAOI effect. I'm *not* disputing which

compounds are present that do it. It's *still* part of the herb.



Logic test for ya: When you take SJW, do you take hyericin or not?

Yes? Then I'm correct in what I was trying to say.



>Aside from the excipients which form the bulk in tablets there's a stack

>of other chemicals in SJW, here's a selection:



I didn't say that's all that was in it! I was countering what that 

other person wrote, which had a major logic flaw in what she said.

You seem to be reading stuff into what I said.



>... but you want to be the brave man to say that only hypericin alone 

>is doing the job?  Not even the extract manfacturers say that.



Sigh. Go read my post over. You're putting words into my mouth that I 

never said.



>Spiking refers here to adding the pure synthetic compound. ...



I was not reffering to anything artifical. They take extracts and 

extract the recognized component, here hypericin, then add it to

the herb used to make capsules, etc, to ensure a uniform level of

that compound. hence the name "standardized".



I only took that comment of hers that something is added, which

there is, whatever they are trying to keep at a standard level.

The source of the substance? From the herb itself.



Frankly, I think you *completely* missed my point(s).



Tim



btw. if you think I've been flaming, you lead a sheltered life.

No matter your age.





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On Wed, 20 May 98 16:46:52 EDT, "Timothy Timbrook" <timothyt@bright.net> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>So? That doesn't invalidate what I said. You Still Take hypericin If 

>You Take SJW. 



Yes. The point is, hypericin (the constituent) IS a MAOI. Hypericum (the herb)

is NOT. 



What I want to get at is this:

does anybody have any clue whatsoever as to why Hypericum (the herb), now that

it is available to the masses, in -standardized- extracts, causes side effects

that were not in evidence back before it became this big fad herb?

Side effects including photosensitivity. Not noticed if you do a quality fresh

herb tincture, like when you do your own.



Any takers?



Henriette



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>does anybody have any clue whatsoever as to why Hypericum (the herb), now

>that

>it is available to the masses, in -standardized- extracts, causes side

>effects

>that were not in evidence back before it became this big fad herb?

>Side effects including photosensitivity. Not noticed if you do a quality

>fresh

>herb tincture, like when you do your own.

>

>Any takers?

>

>Henriette



Probably related to sample size.  The (minor and negligible in number and

effect) side effects probably *are* there with the tincture, but there weren't

enough people using and reporting on tinctures to pick up the small percentage

of side effects.  Also, those using their own tinctures aren't as likely to

report side effects as those using commercial capsules.   Only when it became

widely distributed in commercial form did small percentages of side effects

begin to show up.  That's just my guess -- no facts to back it up -- but it

makes sense statistically.



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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress) wrote:



>Yes. The point is, hypericin (the constituent) IS a MAOI. Hypericum (the herb)

>is NOT. 

  Are you hypothesizing that the whole herb contains something to

counteract the hypericin?



>What I want to get at is this: does anybody have any clue whatsoever 

>as to why Hypericum (the herb), now that it is available to the masses, 

>in -standardized- extracts, causes side effects that were not in 

>evidence back before it became this big fad herb?



Here's two, neither of which involves anything wrong with the

herb, not blames the hypericin:



1. Any of these side effects are rare.  When you have a few

thousands consuming the herb, they might not show up.  When the

number consuming the herb is a few hundreds of thousands, you get

a large enough population that the side effects will affect a

large enough group of people to be noticeable.



2. We have the Internet to compare side effects on, leading to

more awareness of them.  In the "back before" days, the headache

sufferer would have stopped taking the herb and only their

nearest and dearest would have known about it.  Now - the whole

world can find out.





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Timothy Timbrook wrote:

> 



snip - ok, fair enough



> >Spiking refers here to adding the pure synthetic compound. ...

> 

> I was not reffering to anything artifical. They take extracts and

> extract the recognized component, here hypericin, then add it to

> the herb used to make capsules, etc, to ensure a uniform level of

> that compound. hence the name "standardized".

> 

> I only took that comment of hers that something is added, which

> there is, whatever they are trying to keep at a standard level.

> The source of the substance? From the herb itself.

> 

> Frankly, I think you *completely* missed my point(s).

> 



-----



Obviously I did...  and still not sure I get it.  The above points are, 

with respect, wrong.  Bear with me:



Some first hand experience



Couple of weeks back I was at an extracts factory in former East

Germany,  south of Berlin.  They were working on a batch of SJW during

my visit.  I was shown the extraction process starting with the 50kg

sacks of chopped dried SJW herb going into the percolators with 60%

ethanol, 40% RO water, through condensation/concentration, miles of

stainless steel pipes, solvent recovery etc etc.



Finally the head whitecoat flipped the seals on their shiny new spray

drier to show me a fine grey/brown powder with a 0.3% hypericin

content.  



The quantity of dried SJW herb required to get say 1000kg of extract

containing the 0.3% level of hypericin the "market" requires depends on

the qty of hypericin  and the qty of 'extractable matter' in the dried

herb.  This varies enormously.  The guys I met needed approx 5MT

powdered herb to get 1MT 0.3% hypericin extract, approx a 5:1 extract.  



Tim, I think you are saying the extract manufacturers extract a pure

100% product from the herb and then mix this back into the herb powder

to get the hypericin content up to the 0.3% level?  If I've read you

wrong then chill, my mistake.  But...  they definitely and categorically

*don't* do this.  They are not "adding" to get to a standardization,

they are taking away.  The "herb used to make the capsules" is the

extract.  There would be no point concentrating it all down to pure then

cutting it back up to 0.3%.



One possible source of confusion.  I notice that among the retail

formulators Solgar, and maybe others - I'm in the UK, we've got jack

shit by way of choice here - are using a standardized extract in a     

*base* of dried herb.  IE they use the straight, unextracted, dried,

powdered herb as one of the excipients to bulk out the tablet.  But

anyway in this case, the standardized extract part of the tablet is

still the extract as above.  The clue to this is that the tablets

contain say 300mg of 0.3% hypericin, not 0.9mg of 100% hypericin.





Legs eleven



Nick





*assay according to the test methods  in the Deutsche Arzneimittel Codex

1986, Supplement 3, mod. 1991.  The Germans got their towels down first

on this one ;).



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Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>One possible source of confusion.  I notice that among the retail

>formulators Solgar, and maybe others - I'm in the UK, we've got jack

>shit by way of choice here - are using a standardized extract in a     

>*base* of dried herb.  IE they use the straight, unextracted, dried,

>powdered herb as one of the excipients to bulk out the tablet.

  Yes - use any quality herb, then spray it with enough hypericin

(synthetic or natural, probably synthetic) to make the final

concentration turn out to be correct.







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On Wed, 20 May 1998 19:04:22 GMT, 

Henriette Kress  <HeK@hetta.pp.fi > wrote:



>What I want to get at is this:

>... causes side effects that were not in evidence back before it became this 

>big fad herb?



Actually the first time I tried it was yrs before this fad and was

non-standardized. More recently, tried various sizes (mgs/capsule)

for optimal dosage.



>Side effects including photosensitivity. 



That side-effect has been stated for yrs. (yes, yrs)



If you find standardized so worrisome, don't buy it. It's sold in 

non-standardized form too. Or just buy the raw herb and make with 

it what you need.

(Have already explained what is done to make "standardized" herb.)



Tim





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On Thu, 21 May 1998 13:39:27 +0100, 

Nick   <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>Tim, I think you are saying the extract manufacturers extract a pure

>100% product from the herb and then mix this back into the herb powder

>to get the hypericin content up to the 0.3% level?  If I've read you

>wrong then chill, my mistake. 



Ya. You did misread what I wrote in a *big* way. Someone else posted 

about how standardized is done. Perhaps you like their words better.

I do not contest how they said it, because it's basically what I mean.

poster was: Tsu Dho Nimh. Not saying I completely agree with them on 

everything, just the post on what standardization is. :)



Tim





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Timothy Timbrook wrote:

> 

> On Thu, 21 May 1998 13:39:27 +0100,

> Nick   <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:

> 

> >Tim, I think you are saying the extract manufacturers extract a pure

> >100% product from the herb and then mix this back into the herb powder

> >to get the hypericin content up to the 0.3% level?  If I've read you

> >wrong then chill, my mistake.

> 

> Ya. You did misread what I wrote in a *big* way. Someone else posted

> about how standardized is done. Perhaps you like their words better.

> I do not contest how they said it, because it's basically what I mean.

> poster was: Tsu Dho Nimh. Not saying I completely agree with them on

> everything, just the post on what standardization is. :)

> 

> Tim





----



Hoo boy - this one going nowhere fast....



Of the 28 metric tonnes of SJW 0.3% extract I have sold to the US since

last summer I am as sure as my arse that NONE of it was made by the

proprietary Tim/TDN grassy knoll method of manufacture.



Spiking of SJW with pure hypericin may go on.



It is not, however, the usual way "how standardized is done" (sic).



Nick Nicholas

News at Ten

2 Fried Eggs



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On Thu, 21 May 1998 17:33:49 +0100, 

Nick   <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>Hoo boy - this one going nowhere fast....

>

>Of the 28 metric tonnes of SJW 0.3% extract I have sold to the US since

>last summer I am as sure as my arse that NONE of it was made by the

>proprietary Tim/TDN grassy knoll method of manufacture.

>

>Spiking of SJW with pure hypericin may go on.

>

>It is not, however, the usual way "how standardized is done" (sic).



Like you ARE the industry now? I think not. (I know for a fact that 

plenty grows here in the US. Why they buy from Europe? *shrug* I have 

no idea. Maybe cheaper than dealing with US growers?) I think you need 

to take reading comprehension course sometime so you can make out what 

people post. There is no need to use profanity here either (arse,ass - 

same difference, it isn't needed in a mature conversation/discussion). 

It only tells everyone your lack of maturity.



I agree, talking with you *is going nowhere*.



My last post on this thread,

Tim





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Timothy Timbrook wrote:

> 

> Like you ARE the industry now?  



LOL! I give you that one!



> I know for a fact that

> plenty grows here in the US. Why they buy from Europe? *shrug* I have

> no idea. Maybe cheaper than dealing with US growers?) 



Nothing to do with where the herb grows Tim, it's where the extraction

and processing happens.  



The US formulators (Solgar / Natrol / GNC et al) buy European extract

because, to my knowledge there is only a very limited commercial

production of SJW extract in the US:  Madis in NJ; Flexco (sp?) in PA;

some mob over in Oregon but I think they concentrate on echinacea.  Do

you know any others?  I don't think there can be many.



US producers just don't have the production capacity of the monster

German / Swiss factories that have been going 120 / 150 years.



regs,

Nick



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On Fri, 22 May 1998 21:02:16 GMT, 

mwong@cybernautics.com  <mwong@cybernautics.com> wrote:



>So MAO inhibitors are bad for migraines



YES.



>... and the hypercin is what increases my migraines when I take the SJW?



It's atleast one component of SJW that does. There *could be* other 

compounds in SJW that may give you trouble if you're headache prone

like me.



>... DO they make the SJW without the hypercin?



hypericin occurs naturally in SJW. I think it's extremely unlikely 

that you could find such a product where it's completely removed 

from SJW.



>... I always see them packaged together.



Not exactly packaged together. That implies that they put it in it. 

Hypericin *naturally* occurs in SJW. (What they put in is what they 

had taken from the herb itself. Already had that *silly* arguement

with someone before and really don't want to rehash it.)



>... I have been going crazy trying to figure out what is increasing my 

>migraines lately.  I'm glad that this could be it because it's easy enough 

>to cut.



Very good chance that it's the SJW. Well, in an indirect manner.

Various amines are the actual trigger. MAOIs make it harder for your

body to get rid of the amines, hence raising the levels of various

amines in your body. (The very same action that raises various levels 

of nerotransmitters in the brain giving it an anti-depressant effect.)

I suggest stop taking SJW for a couple weeks and see if your migraines

improve or not.



For those that suffer migraines, I'd suggest not even trying herbs that

have the MAOI effect. SJW is the most well-known herb in this catagory.



I knew of this problem before trying it, but I suffer both chronic

depression and chronic headaches and was hoping to find a safe level

where it didn't increase headaches, but that the same time helped my

depression. Sadly, in my case atleast, the theraputic level for 

depression aggravated my headaches. Anyone in the same situation as 

I will understand why I'd try almost anything atleast once looking 

for somekind of relief and are willing to take that chance.



Tim





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I suffer from migraines and chronic daily headaches.   About 6 weeks ago I

started SJW to try to prevent these as I'd heard that SJW could help

migraine sufferers.   I have been having more migraines in the last month

than I had before.  I will cease taking this now and see if I improve.  

Hope you feel better too.  Thanks for the info.



Merilyn



In article <43386.timothyt@bright.net>, "Timothy Timbrook"

<timothyt@bright.net> wrote:

> 

> >... I have been going crazy trying to figure out what is increasing my 

> >migraines lately.  I'm glad that this could be it because it's easy enough 

> >to cut.

> 

> Very good chance that it's the SJW. Well, in an indirect manner.

> Various amines are the actual trigger. MAOIs make it harder for your

> body to get rid of the amines, hence raising the levels of various

> amines in your body. (The very same action that raises various levels 

> of nerotransmitters in the brain giving it an anti-depressant effect.)

> I suggest stop taking SJW for a couple weeks and see if your migraines

> improve or not.

> 

> For those that suffer migraines, I'd suggest not even trying herbs that

> have the MAOI effect. SJW is the most well-known herb in this catagory.

>



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Balsam Root or Arrow Leaf Balsam Root (Balsamorhiza sagittata)

does anyone know what this is for, or how to use it



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GeminMage wrote in message

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>Balsam Root or Arrow Leaf Balsam Root (Balsamorhiza sagittata)

>does anyone know what this is for, or how to use it



   I only found one reference in one of my books about Arrow Root - (Maranta

Arundinaceae), nothing called Balsam Root or Arrow Leaf Balsam Root. If

Arrowroot is what you're referring to then this is what I found.

   This is from "Heinerman's Encyclopedia of Healing Herbs & Spices"

Arrowroot is called bamban in the native Philippine dialect of Tagalog.

   In the Bahamas Arrowroot is used for both culinary and medicinal

purposes.

   "A starch is made into the form of a poultice and laid on the skin of

some who suffered from erysipelas, an intense inflammation of the

superficial skin and subcutaneous tissues caused by infection of the blood

with a group A streptococci. The poultice would then be left on for about 25

minutes before being replaced by a fresh one. Bahamians would also rub some

of the arrowstarch on sunburns to help keep them from peeling as badly and

to lessen their pain."



On Balsam from Horizon Herbs web site http://www.budget.net/~herbseed/#B

Balsam

Balsamaceae

Impatiens balsamina



Annual, self seeding. Very easy plant to grow. Direct seed in mid-spring.

Old-time garden favorite, dwarf, blossoms of red,

white or pink. Emollient, poison oak remedy. Chinese folklore use--removal

of obstructions in the throat.









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On 18 May 1998 06:25:30 GMT, geminmage@aol.com (GeminMage) wrote:



>Balsam Root or Arrow Leaf Balsam Root (Balsamorhiza sagittata)

>does anyone know what this is for, or how to use it



Michael Moore has a few pages on Balsam Root in his book "Medicinal

Plants of the Pacific West" (ISBN 1-878610-31-7).  He says the root is

"a simple disinfectant-expectorant" for sore throats and pulmonary

disorders, "a practical antifungal for skin tineas", and "a mild

immunostimulant".  He suggests 20 to 50 drops of a 65% alcohol 1:2

fresh root tincture or 1:5 dry root tincture, in hot water up to 4

times a day; he's also got recipes for a tea and a honey-based cough

syrup.



The dry powdered leaves can be used as a poultice or salve for mild

burns and skin sores, and the seeds can be roasted, ground, and eaten.



It grows wild in sagebrush country in western North America.



=-=-= Bill Statler =-=-=

Glyptica -- precision-carved artwork    http://www.pair.com/glyptica



From finch@ts.co.nz Mon May 18 14:19:43 1998

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Would there be someone out there with an alternative solution in dealing

with Head Lice in children other than using pesticides. 

What I've been trying is olive oil but was hoping someone could come up

with an olive oil base shampoo that's pleasant to use rather than covering

the child's head with "engine oil". Any other alternatives would be most

welcome in dealing with the little critters. 



-- 



                                    _\\|//_

                                   (` o-o ')

     --------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------------

                Les Finch & Eliza Cooper-Finch

  Kelling Rd Neudorf RD2 Upper Moutere New Zealand

        Ph 03 5432673          e-mail finch@ts.co.nz

        ---------------------------------------------------------------



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"L Finch-New Zealand " <finch@ts.co.nz> wrote:



>What I've been trying is olive oil but was hoping someone could come up

>with an olive oil base shampoo that's pleasant to use rather than covering

>the child's head with "engine oil". Any other alternatives would be most

>welcome in dealing with the little critters.

  Unfortunately, you have to smother the lice in the oil for 6-8

hours to kill them (other wise you'd just have really clean

lice), and repeat the treatment in about two weeks to catch any

that hatched after the first treatment.

  Any oil will do, and scenting the oil with a few drops of oil

of rosemary, lavendar or anything that smells good helps.  To

strip the oil out more easily, use tincture of green soap or a

pure "castile" shampoo.



  I've heard that thorough blow-drying on HOT will kill them -

someone commented that her two children with long hair, the

shampoo and blow-dry daily ones, never had a problem.  The child

who let her short hair air-dry had the infestation.





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On 18 May 1998 22:10:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

wrote:





>

>  I've heard that thorough blow-drying on HOT will kill them -

>someone commented that her two children with long hair, the

>shampoo and blow-dry daily ones, never had a problem.  The child

>who let her short hair air-dry had the infestation.

>

This just isn't true.  My daughter had lice many years ago,  I had

short hair and used the blow-dryer on it daily.  I still caught them.

I didn't realize it until I found one on my daughters doll she had

just put down.  I couldn't understand why my head was so itchy.



Also I'm not sure about using any type of oil to smother them.  I know

you can use Minerial oil to smother a tick.  Olive or veg oil won't

work on them.



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If parents hear about an outbreak of lice in their child's school or

in nearby schools, a good preventive measure is to carefully check the

child's hair every few days--every night if there have been a lot of

cases.  By doing this parents stand a better chance of catching the

infestation while there are still only nits.  Watching for children

scratching the back of the neck and shoulders as well as the head can

help people catch lice early.



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Olive or veg oil won't

work on them.



-----I beg to differ but I used veg oil on my entire familie head every other

day for a month, and it killed the old ones as well as the newly hatched eggs. 

No more lice.  What it does is smothers them.  But I am sure there are many

other ways besides mine that works just as well.





     Mistress Raven

          It is as it should be



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It does work on them by smothering them.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



>Olive or veg oil won't

>work on them.







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I have three children and headlice has been a nightmare ever since the

oldest started school!  I have tried using essential oils mixed into an

olive oil base, tea-tree, geranium, lavender are a few that come to mind.

Leave on for a few hours and apply shampoo before rinsing off.  The trouble

is that they seem to become immune to anything eventually.  I got so fed up

that I invested in an electronic headlice comb, which is on the market here

in the UK and I expect it is available elsewhere.  It *electrocutes* the

headlice and so far the results have been amazing (no, I am not a spammer

and I don't have shares in the company!!).  It cost about 25 (about $50 I

think) and it was worth every penny.



Good luck,



Jane





L Finch-New Zealand wrote in message <01bd824e$b99128c0$0100007f@finch>...

>Would there be someone out there with an alternative solution in dealing

>with Head Lice in children other than using pesticides.

>What I've been trying is olive oil but was hoping someone could come up

>with an olive oil base shampoo that's pleasant to use rather than covering

>the child's head with "engine oil". Any other alternatives would be most

>welcome in dealing with the little critters.

>

>--

>

>                                    _\\|//_

>                                   (` o-o ')

>     --------------------------ooO-(_)-Ooo--------------------------

>                Les Finch & Eliza Cooper-Finch

>  Kelling Rd Neudorf RD2 Upper Moutere New Zealand

>        Ph 03 5432673          e-mail finch@ts.co.nz

>        ---------------------------------------------------------------







From MoonGlade@twlakes.Net Tue May 19 19:51:39 1998

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From: "Lynnaea & Dr. Paradox" <MoonGlade@twlakes.Net>

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Tea Tree Oil is an excellent repellent and antiseptic, the local health food

store sells it here. Actually commercial lice products (such as RID) in the US

are mostly made from pyrethrin, an extract from the pyrethrin daisy, a natural

insecticide.

Lynnaea



L Finch-New Zealand wrote:



> Would there be someone out there with an alternative solution in dealing

> with Head Lice in children other than using pesticides.

> What I've been trying is olive oil but was hoping someone could come up

> with an olive oil base shampoo that's pleasant to use rather than covering

> the child's head with "engine oil". Any other alternatives would be most

> welcome in dealing with the little critters.

>

> --









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I've been an elementary school teacher for decades, so I am very familiar

with the effect of headlice on students and their families.



Inorder to banish headlice, you simply need to coat them with oil, so they

can not breath.



Once a month, (or if the itchies get you), soak your hair with any oil --

baby oil, cooking oil, vegetable oil -- my favorite is olive oil because I

know it is natural and will not leave chemicals behind.  Soak your hair,

wrap it in a towel for an hour, shampoo.



The nits (eggs) can be killed with a blow dryer.  So if you blow dry your

hair everyday, chances are that you are not going to get head lice.



EnJoy the Earth,

ej



http://home.att.net/~ejrainey/ferncottage.html







WL Sakowski wrote in message ...

> f> Date: 18 May 98 11:19:43 GMT

> f> Subject: Head Lice

> f> From: "L Finch-New Zealand " <finch@ts.co.nz>

>

> f> Would there be someone out there with an alternative

> f> solution in dealing with Head Lice in children other

> f> than using pesticides.

>







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Just thought you'd be interested in a little bit of lore



Tarragon - Artemisia dracunculus

   "This spice received its name from a superstition recorded by Pliny, the

famous Roman author and scientist. He declared that, if one carried a twig

of the plant, it would protect against snakes and dragons. This it's species

came to be known as dracunculus, the "little dragon". A similar meaning was

conveyed by Greek, Arabic and Spanish words that led to our name tarragon" -

and to the French estragon, as we also sometimes call it.



From the book "The Lore of Spices" by J.O. Swahn







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<< "This spice received its name from a superstition recorded by Pliny, the

famous Roman author and scientist. He declared that, if one carried a twig

of the plant, it would protect against snakes and dragons. This it's species

came to be known as dracunculus, the "little dragon". A similar meaning was

conveyed by Greek, Arabic and Spanish words that led to our name tarragon" -

and to the French estragon, as we also sometimes call it.



From the book "The Lore of Spices" by J.O. Swahn>>



Thanks for the info! I'm researching plant lore, and that's a book I haven't

come across yet. I'll be sure to check it out. 



By the way, Artemesia drancunculus gets its "dragon" associations because the

root shape is serpentine. Gardeners know that the roots have to be separated

often for this reason. In medicinal lore and legend, plants with this type of

root system are given credit for treating snakebite, driving snakes away, or

offering protection from such creatures.





















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I was checking quercetin out at GNC, and it was around 25-30 bucks (for

100 I think)

(I ended up ordering some from Puritan's Pride.)  Has anyone had

favorable results using it?  I was told it helps w/allergies.  Thank you



June





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Onions are one of the richest sources of quercetin and related

compounds. The natural form in onions (glycosides) may be better

absorbed than the purified form.  Also much less expensive. Frying gets

rid of much of the smelly allicin compounds (which are beneficial

themselves) but does not reduce the quercetin levels. 



You may want to buy a bottle for initial use and for allergy flare-ups,

but an onion a day is probably better and cheaper. 



Jonathan 





WL Sakowski wrote:

> 

>  h> Date: Mon, 18 May 1998 10:08:09 -0700

>  h> Subject: Is quercetin worth the price?

>  h> From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

> 

>  h> I was checking quercetin out at GNC, and it was around

>  h> 25-30 bucks (for 100 I think) (I ended up ordering some

>  h> from Puritan's Pride.)  Has anyone had favorable results

>  h> using it?  I was told it helps w/allergies.

> 

> June, I have battled allergies for years.  After years of

> trying to follow the doctors's instructions, and just sort

> of playing around with herbs, I finally got sick and tired

> of being *sick* from either the allergies or the meds...

> you know, the ones you get w/prescriptions, that don't

> hurt you at all... the only way to deal with allergies?  :)

> (I'm sorry, but I am so weary of being used to "try"

> things out on... in labs, those are called guinea pigs

> and that's what they always said, "We're going to *try*

> you out on some of this...   :)  anyway, I began with

> several combinations (I like to rotate when I can, so I

> don't end up taking the same thing all the time... of

> course, there *are* times when staying on the same

> herb is *necessary*).

> 

> ***I have been prescription free... this makes the

> seventh year!  I am so thankful for this, as I was on

> my fifth dose-pak of prednisone that year!  I would

> also want you to know that I have had to take little

> of *anything* for my allergies this year, and that

> includes the severity of the last *two* years being

> worse than normal for the Tulsa area (an area,

> uncommonly *high*, nationally, for natural

> allergens  :(

> 

> Anyway, just this past winter I tried quercetin

> because I was out of my regular stuff, and it takes

> about 5 days for me to get my order in (I order direct

> from Nature's Sunshine).  I was amazed at how

> quickly it worked, *and* how amazingly beneficial it

> was!  I continue to take it, tho I take it at a reduced

> rate,  mainly because of the price.  I am one who

> follows the philosophy that the *least* dose

> necessary is the best dose.  As a result, I always

> start off with the lowest dose I need to achieve the

> goal, and go from there.  When my system seems

> especially annoyed at some allergen, I increase my

> normal dose (1-2Xd).  For instance, I had a really

> bad time with something (mold, maybe)   and before

> I could get things going, I had, what felt like, a sinus

> infection.  I find the best thing for me, in this type of

> instance, is extract of Goldenseal/Echinacea, so I

> rotated a dose of this one hour;  and 2 hours later,

> 1 Quercetin, and so on... all waking day.  I did this

> for two days, didn't miss work... and, in fact, that

> was a *very* busy week, as  we were moving!

> 

> I guess I'd have to say that it was enough to make

> a believer out of me!  I'm not saying that it will work

> this well for everyone.  I've been using herbs for

> some years, and believe that the more one relys on

> herbs, the more quickly one finds that they work (or

> don't!  :)  What I mean to say is, *I* think that the

> clearer the system (of substances that might be

> considered "foreign" to the body) the quicker the

> results ... please note that that is *my* thought!  :)

> I do continue to take my other allergy herbs, I just

> don't have to take nearly as many as  I once had to.

> I am so thankful for this, as herbs, no matter how

> you choose to use them, can be expensive...

> 

> Should you decide to try quercetin, I hope it proves

> to be as beneficial to you as it has been to me!

> 

> cheers,

> WL Sakowski...  at the end of the trail in Okieland, Ameica!

> 

>  h> June



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This looks like the right place to get this info.



The Senior Citizen's apartment complex where I work is installing a

perennial garden.  To boost resident interest, I am writing up a list of the

plants we are getting, along with a little tidbit of history or folklore

about the plant in question.



My research took care of most of the easy ones, but I need some help.

Anyone who has a little interesting snippet about any of these plants,

please e-mail it to me?



Black-Eyed Susan

"Blazing Star" Liatris

Phlox

Heuchera

Hosta

Astilbe

Daylily

Carmen Sedum

Russian Sage

Serviceberry

Feather Reed Grass

Anemone (Grape-Leaf)

Boltonia

Tickseed



(Note - SPAM blocker in address - remove it to send mail to me)



Thanks in advance for all your help!



Wendy Z

Chicago, IL











From clevegilbert@yahoo.com Mon May 18 21:31:14 1998

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I'm looking for a source for fresh astragulas m. in the Pacific

Northwest.  Know of any?



From mcmillal@cadvision.com Tue May 19 02:21:39 1998

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I bought a plant at a department store nursery a few days ago, that came 

without a tag.  Its is silvery sage green with long narrow leaves, which 

grow out of the stem much like  evergreen needles do.  It does not seem 

to have a scent.  Is this an herb that anyone recognizes.  Thanks





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Sounds like lavender.  Typically the lavender blossoms are what have the

fragrance.  French lavender has soft, gray green , saw-toothed leaves that

feel a little sticky and smell (resinous).  If lavender, it likes a dry,

sunny location.

I reserve the right to be wrong.

June



Sam wrote:



> I bought a plant at a department store nursery a few days ago, that came

> without a tag.  Its is silvery sage green with long narrow leaves, which

> grow out of the stem much like  evergreen needles do.  It does not seem

> to have a scent.  Is this an herb that anyone recognizes.  Thanks









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Does anyone have any recipes for a poultice or oil to get rid of wasps and

hornets or prevent them from coming back to a certain area?  We have a terrible

wasp problem here and spraying is only a temporary solution.



I don't have regular access, so could any responses please be sent to 

adrien_paendrag@yahoo.com. 



Thx,

Adrien Paendrag



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The only idea I have, would be to grow plants in areas where you don't

want the wasps coming -- entryways, near windows, etc. These plants

being insect repellants. While I don't have a list beside me right now,

I do know that my towering tobacco plants never have any insects flying

near them. I have some wild fennel in a remote area of the garden where

wasps love to roam by the hundreds, but they never seem to get close to

the tobacco. 



There are other insect repelling plants that [may] work better for you -

check herb books/search the net.



-Val



===

Spammers, take note: I don't want your spam. What you send to me, will

be forwarded to your ISP, with a complaint from my abuse dept. Save it

for someone who wants it.

===





Mmsong7 wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have any recipes for a poultice or oil to get rid of wasps and

> hornets or prevent them from coming back to a certain area?  We have a terrible

> wasp problem here and spraying is only a temporary solution.

> 

> I don't have regular access, so could any responses please be sent to

> adrien_paendrag@yahoo.com.

> 

> Thx,

> Adrien Paendrag



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On Tue, 19 May 1998 13:25:54 GMT, astarte@sover.net (Siobhan

Perricone) wrote:



>On 18 May 1998 23:50:30 GMT, mmsong7@aol.com (Mmsong7) wrote:

>

>>Does anyone have any recipes for a poultice or oil to get rid of wasps and

>>hornets or prevent them from coming back to a certain area?  We have a terrible

>>wasp problem here and spraying is only a temporary solution.

>>

>>I don't have regular access, so could any responses please be sent to 

>>adrien_paendrag@yahoo.com. 

>

>Though, if you do have an answer, please *do* post it to the ng as well. I

>have the same problem with wasps.



Ah ... you'll all probably hate me for this post, because it isn't an

herbal way to take care of the problem.  But it sure works.



You need little tart plates ... 3" in diamater and no more than 1/4"

high.



Add 1 tbsp borax to 1 cup of Kool-Aid.  Mix it thoroughly so the borax

dissolves.  Pour it into the tart plates and place it in places where

the bees will be attracted to it, but animals won't get at it (behind

tight chicken wire is good, so that hummingbirds don't drink it.)



The collectors will take it back to the hive, feed it to the larvae

and Queen (it will be used in the Royal Jelly) and the whole lot will

be dead in a week.  



Works great for carpenter ants too.









Many well days,



Stephen Fraser

Email: frasers@surenet.net

ICQ: 9825255



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On Mon, 25 May 1998 04:07:43 GMT, NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net (A.Stephen

Fraser) wrote:



>dissolves.  Pour it into the tart plates and place it in places where

>the bees 

     ^^^^

Will this work for *wasps* as well?



-- 

Siobhan Perricone

Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.

It eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight

to the business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation. 

      -Johnny Hart



From hscholes@nospam.greennet.net Sun May 31 23:13:07 1998

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I buy an cleaning product called "Citra-Solv"  made by Shadow Lake in

Danbury CT. 



It's main ingredient is limonene, it's all natural, biodegradable and

according to the maufacturer has very low toxicity levels even in

concentration.



 I found out by accident that bees and wasps HATE the stuff. (I think

it screws up their antenna reception ;-)



Spray it on them or  any surface they are building a nest on and they

TAKE OFF and don't come back. It also kills/repels flies.



Hope you find it helpful. By the way, I have know affiliations with

the maker, I'm just a happy customer!



Heidi Scholes











On Mon, 25 May 1998 04:07:43 GMT, NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net (A.Stephen

Fraser) wrote:



>On Tue, 19 May 1998 13:25:54 GMT, astarte@sover.net (Siobhan

>Perricone) wrote:

>

>>On 18 May 1998 23:50:30 GMT, mmsong7@aol.com (Mmsong7) wrote:

>>

>>>Does anyone have any recipes for a poultice or oil to get rid of wasps and

>>>hornets or prevent them from coming back to a certain area?  We have a terrible

>>>wasp problem here and spraying is only a temporary solution.

>>>

>>>I don't have regular access, so could any responses please be sent to 

>>>adrien_paendrag@yahoo.com. 

>>

>>Though, if you do have an answer, please *do* post it to the ng as well. I

>>have the same problem with wasps.

>

>Ah ... you'll all probably hate me for this post, because it isn't an

>herbal way to take care of the problem.  But it sure works.

>

>You need little tart plates ... 3" in diamater and no more than 1/4"

>high.

>

>Add 1 tbsp borax to 1 cup of Kool-Aid.  Mix it thoroughly so the borax

>dissolves.  Pour it into the tart plates and place it in places where

>the bees will be attracted to it, but animals won't get at it (behind

>tight chicken wire is good, so that hummingbirds don't drink it.)

>

>The collectors will take it back to the hive, feed it to the larvae

>and Queen (it will be used in the Royal Jelly) and the whole lot will

>be dead in a week.  

>

>Works great for carpenter ants too.

>

>

>

>

>Many well days,

>

>Stephen Fraser

>Email: frasers@surenet.net

>ICQ: 9825255





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From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

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In article <6jpk22$33i$1@news2.alpha.net>, "Jean"

<vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> writes:



>I'm in the state of Wisconsin and not sure of where

>to start to find out the laws and liscensure of the state. Any help you

>could pass on would be greatly appreciated...



The American Association of Naturopathic Physicians keeps track of the

licensing laws currently on the books as well as any new legislative activity.

Their web site is:

http://www.infinite.org/naturopathic.physician



Because Wisconsin is a state that does not legally define a naturopathic

physician, the laws that might concern you may be the laws regarding the

practice of medicine. 



Regards,

Rosemary Jones

author: Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

(1998 Prima Publishing)



From Rrringrill@aol.com Tue May 19 23:28:55 1998

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On 19 May 1998 00:37:44 GMT, healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) wrote:



>In article <6jpk22$33i$1@news2.alpha.net>, "Jean"

><vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> writes:

>

>>I'm in the state of Wisconsin and not sure of where

>>to start to find out the laws and liscensure of the state. Any help you

>>could pass on would be greatly appreciated...

>

>The American Association of Naturopathic Physicians keeps track of the

>licensing laws currently on the books as well as any new legislative activity.

>Their web site is:

>http://www.infinite.org/naturopathic.physician

>

The new url is http://www.naturopathic.org/



Rrringrill



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When extracting oil from Lemon Balm what is the best method to use?



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From: "Lynnaea & Dr. Paradox" <MoonGlade@twlakes.Net>

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Ken Brandt wrote:



> When extracting oil from Lemon Balm what is the best method to use?



  The oil in Lemon Balm is so very volatile I suggest extracting it with

light olive oil. It is not perserved in drying or with distilling. I use

light olive oil so it will not impart any sent to the herb. (it is also

less expensive than the "good" extra virgin olive oil, don't get the

virgin oil or your herbal oils will just smell like olives)



Pick the herb and brush it with your mortar and pestle. Place the

bruised herb in a mason jar and cover with light olive oil. Shake it

once a day for about a week, strain. Keep it covered and in a cool place

away from the light.



This method works well with many herbs.



Lynnaea





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Steam distillation ;).  No, really!  But the next best is simple

distillation.  Contact me if you would like more details (it really is

somewhat involved, descriptions of the apparatus and all).  Most of the

necessary pieces of equipment for making small batches are available on the

web.



-Rich



Ken Brandt wrote in message <3560d914.10958465@news.flash.net>...

>When extracting oil from Lemon Balm what is the best method to use?







From herblady@newsguy.com Sat May 23 21:54:04 1998

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On Sat, 23 May 1998 08:39:45 -0600 (GMT), wl-ski@gratisnet.com (WL Sakowski)

wrote:



>The best (and simplist  :)  is to let someone *else* do it!  But if

>you *must*, allow your herb to 'steep' in a sterilized jar of

>light oil (say, sweet or grapeseed) turning once each day (upside-

>down one day, rightside-up the next) for about a month.  Drain,

>(strainer [but don't use metal, as metal can cause change in many

>oils] pressing slightly, without macerating into pieces (you may

>think of a better way, I just press slightly with my fingers, to

>encourage as much oil as possible, without all the other juices, to'

>leave the herb  :)  As the oil settles, you will notice a seperation of

>oils, the heavier oil to the bottom, a lighter one (your "essential")

>on top.  Do this over and over, until there is enough of the  desired

>("essential") on the top that you can collect it with a glass dropper,

>storing ("essential"), capped,  in a dark glass.  Takes a long time to

>realize, but it allows one to appreciate, fully, the prices.

>

>I will post another method later.  We have visitors and they are

>beginning to stir.

>

>cheers,

>WL Sakowski



Your method is quite laborious and unnecessary, I believe. The most common,

simplest way to extract the essential oil from lemon balm is distillation. A

couple of hours and you can process many pounds of the leaf. Distillation

equipment is cheap and readily available, and instructions easy to follow.



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I get major neuromuscular tension headaches.  Does anyone have suggestions

for natural, strong muscle relaxers.  Right now I'm having to take some heavy-

duty meds for them.  Thank you.



Amy



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I herniated a disk a few years ago. I was having major sciatica. Then I

would get these incredible headaches from the nerves. I would add about

1/4 tsp. of valerian to my herbal teas. It really helped A LOT.



If you don't like the taste or can't get past the smell, you can try it

in capsules.



Shawnna





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Natural Muscle Relaxer:  Is Magnesium (600 mg).  I suggest using only in

combination with Calcium (600 mg) and Potassium (100 mg) along with herbs in

the same bottle.  Valerian Root is a nervous system relaxer.   Muscles must

have nutrients to rejuvenate.  Plus, get a Therapuetic Massage to get

instant relief.  When in pain use a cold pack (frozen peas) and then

alternate a very warm pack and then end with a cold pack to reduce swelling.

This will cause the muscle to contract and then release.  Herbs & Vitamins

will nurture the muscle to heal.   Light movements to the area will help the

muscle release to achieve getting back into pain free life.



Thanks  Bernice

Shawnna wrote in message <3560F09A.27D1E655@hotmail.com>...

>I herniated a disk a few years ago. I was having major sciatica. Then I

>would get these incredible headaches from the nerves. I would add about

>1/4 tsp. of valerian to my herbal teas. It really helped A LOT.

>

>If you don't like the taste or can't get past the smell, you can try it

>in capsules.

>

>Shawnna

>







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catesa@rabun.net wrote:



>I get major neuromuscular tension headaches.  Does anyone have suggestions

>for natural, strong muscle relaxers.  Right now I'm having to take some heavy-

>duty meds for them.  Thank you.

Amy - 

 Some non-herbal things to try:

Wring a bath towel out in VERY hot water (or microwave a wet bath

towel for 2 minutes on high).

Wrap it in plastic and then in another towel.

Put it on your pillow and lay on it so that the hotpack covers

the entire back of your head.  Push the sides of the pillow up to

get total coverage.  Lay there until the towel cools off,

preferably in a drak quiet room.



Herbal anti-anxiety, anti-tension remedies?

Valerian, chamomile, lindenflower



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I would suggest valerian, and scullcap. Valerian is a depressant,

however, and shouldn't be taken for an extended period of time - as with

everything, moderation is the key. Scullcap [from what i've heard] is a

mild antidepressant, so taken in conjunction with one another, will

relax you.



-Val





catesa@rabun.net wrote:

> 

> I get major neuromuscular tension headaches.  Does anyone have suggestions

> for natural, strong muscle relaxers.  Right now I'm having to take some heavy-

> duty meds for them.  Thank you.

> 

> Amy

> 

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catesa@rabun.net wrote in message <6jqp3p$l4m$1@nnrp2.dejanews.com>...

>I get major neuromuscular tension headaches.  Does anyone have suggestions

>for natural, strong muscle relaxers.  Right now I'm having to take some

heavy-

>duty meds for them.  Thank you.



I also have problems with muscle tension headaches (too much computer time +

stress).  One herb that seems to work for me is Wood Betony (Stachys

betonica).  Several of the usual herb suppliers sells it in capsule form,

and two caps at bedtime have helped me.



-Rich









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I have been having a terrible time with asthma lately.

I am in search of some natural remedies. 

I am afraid to use ephedra for I have a heart arythmia.(not sure of the

spelling)

Can anybody give me any advice?



thank you



Sam



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eyeofnewt@sprintmail.com wrote in message <3560FB7F.4C91@sprintmail.com>...

>I have been having a terrible time with asthma lately.

>I am in search of some natural remedies.

>I am afraid to use ephedra for I have a heart arythmia.(not sure of the

>spelling)

>Can anybody give me any advice?



Lobelia Tincture is used to dilate the air passages and relax the muscles.

This should cause the spasming to stop.



Here are a few formulas for asthma from a book I recently got on natural

healing.  It says to try the following to stop an attack, or use it twice a

week for an improvement in your general condition:

Boil one ounce each of Ragwort, Wormwood and Cudweed in a quart of water for

ten minutes.  Take the pan to the table.  Drape a thick towel around your

head and over the pan.  Breathe the steam as hot as you can for about a half

an hour,

three times a day.



Alternatively, you can add one ounce of Valerian, and

1/4 ounce of Cayenne to a pint of boiling

water.  Cover and simmer five minutes.  Strain.  Take a table-

spoonful every 5-10 minutes until the attack subsides.



Here is another formula that you may want to try:

Add 1/2 ounce each of Horehound, Hyssop, Skunk Cabbage,Vervain, Elecampane

Root and Wild Cherry Bark to three pints of water; boil for twenty minutes.

Strain over

1/2 teaspoonful of Cayenne.  Allow to cool.  Take 3 tablespoonfulls every

3-4 hours.



The book is called Vita Therapy.  It has much more usefull info in it.  You

can get a copy for $12 by contacting Bob Santee at

http://www.budget.net/~sharbob/vita1.htm or

sharbob@budget.net



Hope one of these suggestions will work for you.

--

Marie (using my husband's addy)

For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206



>

>thank you

>

>Sam







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In article <3560FB7F.4C91@sprintmail.com>, eyeofnewt@sprintmail.com writes:



> have been having a terrible time with asthma lately.

>I am in search of some natural remedies. 

>I am afraid to use ephedra for I have a heart arythmia.(not sure of the

>spelling)

>Can anybody give me any advice?



According to Steven Bratman's ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE RATINGS GUIDE, the two best

methods for long-term relief is laying off dairy products and acupuncture.



The dairy thing I've been doing for years, the acupuncture I decided to

concentrate on this spring, and it's been the best year yet for me since I

developed asthma (mine's adult onset probably caused by working in a very dusty

enviroment for several years!). Another thing that I've found reduces the

severity of attacks is a good massage -- have the therapist work the 

intercostal muscles around the ribs. They tend to get really tight on

asthmatics, which causes us to do a lot of shallow breathing...



The ephedra is a bronchodilator, so if you already have bronchodilator inhaler

(like albuterol), it's essentially duplicating that. Ephdrine, the active

ingredient, is NOT recommended for patients with heart disease, high blood

pressure, thyroid disease, diabetes or enlarged prostate (FDA advisory review

panel). 



There's lots of herbal expectorants out there, which may ease the mucous, but I

haven't had these reduce the severity of attacks nearly as much as getting

control over my diet and immediate enviroment. I shifted jobs to get away from

the dust and I'm pretty careful about what I eat. These things and doing

physical therapies like massage and acupuncture seem to have made the greatest

difference.



The Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine has a good chapter on naturopathic

approaches to asthma as does the Bratman book that I mentioned. I review

natural medicine books for a couple of publications so I always turn to the

asthma chapter first and those two books have been the most complete that I've

seen in the last six months.



Hope this helps,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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Hello Sam,



My normal recomendation for helping and treating Asthma is one of the

Eucalyptus Essential oils.  There are a range of different ones; 



Eucalyptus Globulus, Eucalyptus Dives, Eucalyptus Citriodora,

Eucalyptus Radiata, Eucalyptus Smithii.  



Each person reacts differently, and what helps one may not help

another.  I would use two to five drops in a difuser and not an oil

burner, as the heat lessens the effectivness of the oil.  



I hope this helps



On Mon, 18 May 1998 23:24:47 -0400, eyeofnewt@sprintmail.com wrote:



>I have been having a terrible time with asthma lately.

>I am in search of some natural remedies. 

>I am afraid to use ephedra for I have a heart arythmia.(not sure of the

>spelling)

>Can anybody give me any advice?

>

>thank you

>

>Sam





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In article <3560FB7F.4C91@sprintmail.com>,

  eyeofnewt@sprintmail.com wrote:

>

> I have been having a terrible time with asthma lately.

> I am in search of some natural remedies.

> I am afraid to use ephedra for I have a heart arythmia.(not sure of the

> spelling)

> Can anybody give me any advice?

>

> thank you

>

> Sam

>

Consider the herbs Horseradish root, mullein leaves, fenugreek seeds, fennel

seeds, or boneset herb.  Marshmallow may also be helpful.  Be sure you are

using a product with the correct plant part.



Lobelia essence has been used to relax spasms during an attack.



Candy



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In article <3560FB7F.4C91@sprintmail.com>,

  eyeofnewt@sprintmail.com wrote:

>

> I have been having a terrible time with asthma lately.

> I am in search of some natural remedies.

> I am afraid to use ephedra for I have a heart arythmia.(not sure of the

> spelling)

> Can anybody give me any advice?



The best advice anybody can give you is to consult your doctor.  Asthma is an

inflamitory disease of the airways and any treatment that only address the

symptoms (such as bronchospasm) can result in irreversable damage to the

airways.



Remember if you treat the inflamation and use peak flow monitoring to warn of

impenmding asthma attacks (so you can prevent them) you can live virtually

symptom free.



Asthma is a serious medical condition - if you take it seriously and make sure

that it is treated by a medical doctor who is a specalist in asthma, you won't

have a terrible time with it.



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>From: Colin_Campbell@my-dejanews.com<BR>

>> I have been having a terrible time with asthma lately.<BR>

>> I am in search of some natural remedies.<BR>

>> I am afraid to use ephedra for I have a heart arythmia.(not sure of the<BR>

>> spelling)<BR>

>> Can anybody give me any advice?<BR>

><BR>

>The best advice anybody can give you is to consult your doctor.  <BR><BR>

Agreed.  Asthma is nothing to fool with.  Go to a doctor and<BR>

get it under control.  When it's under control, not only do <BR>

you see your own doctor less, you might stay out of the ER<BR>

as well.<BR><BR>



>Remember if you treat the inflamation and use peak flow monitoring to warn

>of<BR>

>impenmding asthma attacks (so you can prevent them) you can live

>virtually<BR>

>symptom free.<BR>

><BR>

>Asthma is a serious medical condition - if you take it seriously and make

>sure<BR>

>that it is treated by a medical doctor who is a specalist in asthma, you

>won't<BR>

>have a terrible time with it.<BR>

><BR>

Another point about this "inflamtory disease of the airways" -<BR>

it could very well be that something very specific that is setting<BR>

you off, and once identified and eliminated your symptoms may<BR>

also disappear.  This is what happened to me, and so my asthma<BR>

control mostly consists of avoiding my triggers.  I do not require<BR>

daily medication since, having eliminated my triggers from the<BR>

environment, the inflamation went away largely on it's own.<BR><BR>

Even so, when symptoms return I consult my doctor and do take <BR>

anti-inflammatories when needed.  Although there are many <BR>

beneficial natural therapies for asthma it is a condition for<BR>

which allopathic medicine is needed, at least part of the time.<BR><BR>

And most certainly stay away from Ephedra if you have heart<BR> problems! 

There are medications that duplicate its effect with<BR>

much less strain on the heart.<BR><BR>

>---Broomstick---



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In article <1998052313195100.JAA28436@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker) writes:



>Another point about this "inflamtory disease of the airways" -

>it could very well be that something very specific that is setting

>you off, and once identified and eliminated your symptoms may

>also disappear.  This is what happened to me, and so my asthma

>control mostly consists of avoiding my triggers.  I do not require

>daily medication since, having eliminated my triggers from the

>environment, the inflamation went away largely on it's own.



Many doctors, even those that specialize in asthma, seem to miss the point made

above -- that asthma can and does respond well to several alternative

treatments and using these treatments can lessen the need for repetitive doctor

visits or long-term use of inhaled steroids. Western medicine still has no cure

for asthma. The inhalers are to control inflammation, and do not eliminate the

cause. 



I think that those of us that posted what we do to keep our asthma under

control do recognize the need for doctors -- I go for my regular check-ups --

but we also wanted to regain some control of the situation for ourselves. Peak

monitoring is one way (and a good one), and it can be done easily while making

changes in diet, getting massage, trying acupuncture, etc.  That's why it's

called "complementary" medicine.



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm



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Hi all does anyone have any ideal where i can get naturistics massage oil

if so would you please post it? thanks for your help



                                 Larry



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From: Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

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Subject: Herbs for lymph problem?

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I had a flu jab last november and within a few days I was experiencing

pain in the armpit and groin that I associated with lymph nodes/glands

(free lunch?).

The situation continues despite a recent course of anti-biotics.



The linking of the condition with the anti-flu medication was

strengthened, when I did a Dejanews search and found someone in Canada

who had an identical experience.



Please can anyone recommend  herbal treatments to soothe and

strengthen the lymphatic system, if this is an appropriate course of

action.



TIA



Tony Halmarack

Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk



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Tony -- Hope you are doing acidopholous to help your alimentary canal

achieve normal flora (the antibiotics disturb good bacteria as well as

bad.)

There are two excellent herbs to support the lymphatic system

--Cleavers & Burdock --  

Also, you may wish to have a lymph massage.  This helps the lymph

system move the lymph fluids.

God Bless.  S. in Phx, AZ ,US





Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack) wrote:



>I had a flu jab last november and within a few days I was experiencing

>pain in the armpit and groin that I associated with lymph nodes/glands

>(free lunch?).

>The situation continues despite a recent course of anti-biotics.



>The linking of the condition with the anti-flu medication was

>strengthened, when I did a Dejanews search and found someone in Canada

>who had an identical experience.



>Please can anyone recommend  herbal treatments to soothe and

>strengthen the lymphatic system, if this is an appropriate course of

>action.



>TIA



>Tony Halmarack

>Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk







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I would seriously suggest you try rebounding to clear the vaccine toxins

from your lymph system.  I would even more seriously suggest that you avoid

vaccines in the future.



--

Marie (using my husband's addy)

For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206



Tony Halmarack wrote in message <35613b5c.11351315@news.demon.co.uk>...

>I had a flu jab last november and within a few days I was experiencing

>pain in the armpit and groin that I associated with lymph nodes/glands

>(free lunch?).

>The situation continues despite a recent course of anti-biotics.

>

>The linking of the condition with the anti-flu medication was

>strengthened, when I did a Dejanews search and found someone in Canada

>who had an identical experience.

>

>Please can anyone recommend  herbal treatments to soothe and

>strengthen the lymphatic system, if this is an appropriate course of

>action.

>

>TIA

>

>Tony Halmarack

>Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk







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Tony,

    I had exactly the same problem, only my swollen glands were in the neck

after a severe cold back in January. So tender, I could not even touch them.

    I researched echinacea and found there are two forms, echinacea

angustifolia & echnicaea purpurea which should be taken in combination. The

product I found at a local health store is called Immune which also contains

astragalus & proplis. Within days, the tenderness was gone. The one swelling

has completely gone and the other is very small. You must take echinacea 3

weeks on, 1 week off. I have gone through two sessions and am hoping the 3rd

will reduce the last swelling as it seems more stubborn than the first.



Tony Halmarack wrote in message <35613b5c.11351315@news.demon.co.uk>...

>I had a flu jab last november and within a few days I was experiencing

>pain in the armpit and groin that I associated with lymph nodes/glands

>(free lunch?).

>The situation continues despite a recent course of anti-biotics.

>

>The linking of the condition with the anti-flu medication was

>strengthened, when I did a Dejanews search and found someone in Canada

>who had an identical experience.

>

>Please can anyone recommend  herbal treatments to soothe and

>strengthen the lymphatic system, if this is an appropriate course of

>action.

>

>TIA

>

>Tony Halmarack

>Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk

>







From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Wed May 20 08:12:41 1998

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On Tue, 19 May 1998 18:14:22 -0400, "arrow" <arrow@sprint.ca> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>    I researched echinacea and found there are two forms, echinacea

>angustifolia & echnicaea purpurea which should be taken in combination. The



That is silly. There are about 10 species of Echinacea; almost any of them will

do (but do not pick any of the endangered ones, okay?), and if you have

Rudbeckia laciniata or hirta in your garden you can dig that root and use it as

you would Echinacea.



Also, you need not use the root of the Echinaceas; you can use the green parts

and the seedheads as well.



As E.angustifolia and E.pallida are almost gone in the wild please use

E.purpurea, which is easily cultivated.



>has completely gone and the other is very small. You must take echinacea 3

>weeks on, 1 week off. 



That is a myth too. You can take it long-term, provided it's necessary. You seem

to respond well to it; just take it until your swellings are gone. 



I do not see any reason to take it unless you need it, much less to take it on a

daily basis.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



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From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

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Henriette Kress wrote in message <356b6636.3855185@news.theriver.com>...

>...if you have

>Rudbeckia laciniata or hirta in your garden you can dig that root and use

it as

>you would Echinacea.





What is the source of this information, please?  Is it in print, as I would

like to find a copy.



-Rich







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Hello Tony,



It is quite possible that the flu vaxcine has trigered this response.

As flu is a virus, the anti-biotics would have had no effect upon it.





You could seek a lyphatic drain massage from a qualified

aromatherapist, but you do also need to see your doctor to ensure that

it is not something more serious.





On Tue, 19 May 1998 08:20:53 GMT, Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony

Halmarack) wrote:



>I had a flu jab last november and within a few days I was experiencing

>pain in the armpit and groin that I associated with lymph nodes/glands

>(free lunch?).

>The situation continues despite a recent course of anti-biotics.

>

>The linking of the condition with the anti-flu medication was

>strengthened, when I did a Dejanews search and found someone in Canada

>who had an identical experience.

>

>Please can anyone recommend  herbal treatments to soothe and

>strengthen the lymphatic system, if this is an appropriate course of

>action.

>

>TIA

>

>Tony Halmarack

>Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk





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fenugreek herb.



while in the shower, alternate hot and cold water, everytime you

shower.



Larry





On Tue, 19 May 1998 08:20:53 GMT, Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony

Halmarack) wrote:



>I had a flu jab last november and within a few days I was experiencing

>pain in the armpit and groin that I associated with lymph nodes/glands

>(free lunch?).

>The situation continues despite a recent course of anti-biotics.

>

>The linking of the condition with the anti-flu medication was

>strengthened, when I did a Dejanews search and found someone in Canada

>who had an identical experience.

>

>Please can anyone recommend  herbal treatments to soothe and

>strengthen the lymphatic system, if this is an appropriate course of

>action.

>

>TIA

>

>Tony Halmarack

>Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk



Larry Pew

http://www.pew.com

larry@pew.com



From Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk Wed May 20 23:18:21 1998

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Thanks to all you good people for the considerate advice.

I feel better already, just from the kindly attention.

I'm going to try the Cleavers and Burdock options to begin with,

I can pick this locally. 



I'll also mail order some Echinacea root from Baldwins here in the UK.

For some vaguely remembered reason, I've had the idea for a long time

that most of the Echinacea sold these days was specially cultivated as

a cash crop. Seeing the price in the catalogue, I can understand 

why. 8-) If this is so, I would 've thought the pressure on the wild

varieties would be significantly reduced.



Well, I'm just off for my hot & cold shower now, and If I play my

cards right, I might get what could pass for a lymphatic massage of

the amateur variety. Hope it hits the right spots. 



Tony Halmarack

Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk



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Tony Halmarack wrote in message <356335af.10681204@news.demon.co.uk>...

>I'll also mail order some Echinacea root from Baldwins here in the UK.

>For some vaguely remembered reason, I've had the idea for a long time

>that most of the Echinacea sold these days was specially cultivated as

>a cash crop. Seeing the price in the catalogue, I can understand

>why. 8-) If this is so, I would 've thought the pressure on the wild

>varieties would be significantly reduced.





Unfortunately, the almost ludicrously high price paid for Echinacea root is

precisely why the pressure on wild Echinacea populations still threatens to

cause complete extermination in some areas.



-Rich









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Hey,



Anyone into seed swappin'? Maybe we could get something going here. I

know I have many medicinal herb seeds for trade. 



-Val



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I'm into growing medicinal herb plants as a hobby, especially some of the

rarer Chinese sorts, and ones that will survive the Florida heat.  I'm

collecting seed as I go - I'll try to get a list up when I accumulate enough

to trade.  I've recently collected Salvia miltorrhiza and Chinese Woad

seeds, and some that were originally sold as Rehmannia glutinosa (not sure

about the species, though...).  I hope to soon have Schizonepeta tenuifolia,

as my plants are blooming, as well as Scutellaria baicalensis.  Of course,

there will be Perilla (green and red varieties), and I'm hoping for

Trichosanthes (Chinese "Cucumber", a plant under investigation for use in

AIDS).  I've got Astragalus membranaceous growing, and a few plants of

Astragalus Chinensis (an annual, the seeds are used like A. M. roots).  I

can always get catnip when it goes to seed (if my cats will leave them alone

long enough).  I've just started some Lycium plants, but they'll be shrubs

so no seeds for a while - I grew them from the dried fruit I bought at a

Chinese grocery store!  I've got *lots* more of those (like $0.99 a pound!).

I've got starts of Polygonum multiflorum (Ho Shou Wu), a revered Chinese

longevity tonic; they don't seem to set seed in this climate (at least, not

yet), but they are very easy to root.  I am STILL trying to get a decent

Gotu Kola patch going - the red spider mites have been just awful this year,

and keep killing the plants.



There are quite a few others...



-Rich





Valerian wrote in message <35603F41.CCCFF492@home.com>...

>Hey,

>

>Anyone into seed swappin'? Maybe we could get something going here. I

>know I have many medicinal herb seeds for trade.

>

>-Val

>

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I'd like to recommend an excellent author of various books. I'm sure a

few of you may already be familiar with him. Check out his site:



http://www.stevenfoster.com



-Val



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OK I admit I'm a wildcrafting wannabe scratching at the surface... but



First herb I can identify with confidence in my garden (apart from the

grass and daisies) is Chelidonium majus with the funky dayglo sap.  My

book tells me that internally it is used for about billion things which

I don't have including skin and stomach cancer.   Big claims I have to

say, and it doesn't say internally how.



So, should I be rushing to chop it down and do something with it and

save it for a rainy day?  It's in flower now and I know it all dies back

come winter.



Thoughts anyone?





Nick x



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I am looking for information on this herb and what it is used for.



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Hello all,

     I have been trying unsuccessfully to grow herbs for 2 years now.  I live

in Southern Illinois.  I have started them indoors in peat pots, then gradually

begin placing them outside for short periods of time until they are used to it.

 Some of  them never start growing to begin with, and the ones that do die

within about a week.  At first I thought I was watering them too much, so I

stopped watering them so much and they died.  Then I read they like sandier

soil so I made the soil sandier and they died.  I don't fertilize them too much

as I've also heard they "don't like to be fertilized".  And they STILL DIE!!!! 

This is very frustrating because I've always been able to grow anything, even

as a child I grew gerbil food, popcorn, beans from my bean bag toys, etc. and

now something I really want to grow won't.

I tried chamomile, angelica, sage (I think it is the only one that is growing)

mints of various kinds, purple coneflower, catnip, parsley, dill, thyme, and

lavender.  Is it the climate, or am I just an idiot???



                                                   Help me,

                                                     Lori

                                                    (please!)



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moron345@aol.com (Moron345) wrote:



>Hello all,

>     I have been trying unsuccessfully to grow herbs for 2 years now.  I live

>in Southern Illinois.  I have started them indoors in peat pots, then gradually

>begin placing them outside for short periods of time until they are used to it.

  Most herbs are full-sun plants. If you plant them in a sunny

garden they will do better than in pots or as indoor plants.  The

easiest way to get them going is to buy small ones at a good

nursery, the transplant them into BIG pots.





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Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> 

> moron345@aol.com (Moron345) wrote:

> 

> >Hello all,

> >     I have been trying unsuccessfully to grow herbs for 2 years now.  I live

> >in Southern Illinois.  I have started them indoors in peat pots, then gradually

> >begin placing them outside for short periods of time until they are used to it.

>   Most herbs are full-sun plants. If you plant them in a sunny

> garden they will do better than in pots or as indoor plants.  The

> easiest way to get them going is to buy small ones at a good

> nursery, the transplant them into BIG pots.





Keeping those two leaf seedlings alive sucks, look away for a minute and

they've dried out.  I've spent that long pricking them out,

transplanting, repotting, hardening up etc etc and then either knock the

pots over or forget to water them or c) or d) and its back to square 1. 

And then you see those lovely big bushy ones in the nursery and think,

ho hum...  



I just bought a really beautiful rosemary bush for 3 pounds 50.  The

packets of seeds cost 1.99.  So yes, if I got every seed through to

fully grown plant I'd be quids in.  But back in the real world.....



Nick



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Nick wrote in message <3562C83E.6C9C@mcmail.com>...

>Keeping those two leaf seedlings alive sucks, look away for a minute and

>they've dried out.  I've spent that long pricking them out,

>transplanting, repotting, hardening up etc etc and then either knock the

>pots over or forget to water them or c) or d) and its back to square 1.





It really helps if you start with a top-quality artificial medium (don't let

the name throw you - it just means it doesn't occur naturally, but most if

not all the ingredients are natural on their own).  I prefer using a product

called Metro Mix 200, and Fafard #2 is virtually identical (just harder to

find where I am).  Of course, outside the U.S. you will probably not find

these, but I'm sure there are comparable mixes elsewhere.  The important

quality of these seeding mixes is that they hold a great deal of water for

their volume without becoming waterlogged; so, the seedlings are kept moist

but are not drowned.  These mixes contain primarily milled peat moss (a

light brown color, NOT black peat - that is something else!), perlite (a

volcanic material that has undergone high temperature treatment) and

vermiculite (derived from a type of clay mineral of the same name).  They do

NOT contain live compost, as most composts contain organisms that can be

deadly to seeds and young seedlings; and they generally do not contain any

sort of bark (like pine bark, a common and useful ingredient in *potting*

mixtures) since bark is more difficult to wet properly, can become

waterlogged and can pack down, and can more easily dry out.  (There are also

growth inhibitors present in improperly cured bark, which is unfortunately

often met with in the trade).



I like to use plastic trays with plastic inserts for those seedlings that

are easily transplanted.  For others (like most members of cucurbitaceae

(the cucumber and squash family), annual poppies, members of the bean and

pea family, and the like, peat pots are (unfortunately) the best recourse I

have found.  I say "unfortunately" because they are very prone to drying out

unless watched carefully.  If you can find them, plastic trays that come

with clear plastic domes are a good investment.  The domes can be reused

with the cheaper common plastic trays, and with care will last several

seasons.



Be sure when filling the plastic inserts that you do not pack the media too

tightly into the cells.  The object is to give the seedlings a good anchor,

but one that the roots can spread through easily.  Over-packing can cut off

oxygen and increase the risk of waterlogging and result in "damping off", a

common problem caused by fungi which thrive in wet, airless environments.



Hope this helps.



-Rich









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Richard Ogden wrote:

> 

> Nick wrote in message <3562C83E.6C9C@mcmail.com>...

> >Keeping those two leaf seedlings alive sucks, look away for a minute and

> >they've dried out.  I've spent that long pricking them out,

> >transplanting, repotting, hardening up etc etc and then either knock the

> >pots over or forget to water them or c) or d) and its back to square 1.

> 

> It really helps if you start with a top-quality artificial medium (don't let

> the name throw you - it just means it doesn't occur naturally, but most if

> not all the ingredients are natural on their own).  I prefer using a product



snip



> common problem caused by fungi which thrive in wet, airless environments.

> 

> Hope this helps.

> 

> -Rich



---------------



Rich



Didn't you play Sean Connery in "Greenfinger"? RO07, licenced to

plant....   That's amazing, and, I just read your other post about the

new Kew Gardens - Florida Department., aka yr garden.  



Respect!





Nick



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How big are they when you put them outside?  How long do you leave them out

for?



Try starting them in starter kits...you can get them at your local hardware

store.  They're connected small pots that fit in a tray that has a clear dome

that goes over the top.  Plant the seeds, in regular potting soil,  water well,

put the dome on and leave in a nice sunny spot in the house. When seedlings

reach an inch to two inches take the dome off for good.  When they get a little

taller than that, four to five inches or so start putting them outside during

the early day until 4 in the evening or so.  Leave them outside just a little

bit later each night until the weather is really warm over night and they can

stay outside all night.  After a week or of staying out all the time plant in a

nice sunny spot.  Don't worry about over or under watering...water when the

leaves look a little droopy and not before.



For your chamomile just sow the seeds in mid to late spring directly into the

garden.  When the mint gets going plant in a large pot or in a spot in the yard

where you don't mind it taking over.



Since you're on AOL try using the keyword button, type gardens (or gardening)

and in there you will find a message board for herbs.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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Start off with easier herbs, like basil, oregano or chives. I find that

lemonbalm grows really well.  As far as tending them I just weed and water

when it seems to dry and let nature do the rest.  

best wishes,

fade



Moron345 <moron345@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998051922103700.SAA16287@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> Hello all,

>      I have been trying unsuccessfully to grow herbs for 2 years now.  I

live

> in Southern Illinois.  I have started them indoors in peat pots, then

gradually

> begin placing them outside for short periods of time until they are used

to it.

>  Some of  them never start growing to begin with, and the ones that do

die

> within about a week.  At first I thought I was watering them too much, so

I

> stopped watering them so much and they died.  Then I read they like

sandier

> soil so I made the soil sandier and they died.  I don't fertilize them

too much

> as I've also heard they "don't like to be fertilized".  And they STILL

DIE!!!! 

> This is very frustrating because I've always been able to grow anything,

even

> as a child I grew gerbil food, popcorn, beans from my bean bag toys, etc.

and

> now something I really want to grow won't.

> I tried chamomile, angelica, sage (I think it is the only one that is

growing)

> mints of various kinds, purple coneflower, catnip, parsley, dill, thyme,

and

> lavender.  Is it the climate, or am I just an idiot???

> 

>                                                    Help me,

>                                                      Lori

>                                                     (please!)

> 



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Can anybody suggest a good natural sweetner for diabetics??



Thanks............



Bob Dolph





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Try Stevia Rebaudiana.Your local supermarket may have it in the herb

section. 



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Stevia is a good natural sweetener for diabetics



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What precisely is Stevia?  How does it compare to things like licorice root.

BTW, is licorice root a non-sugar sweetener?  I've been told that it is.

IAE, I'm not diabetic myself, but quite a few family members are and I'd

like to have some sweetening options on hand for them (hate stuff like

Equal).



John Mueller



michael brown wrote in message <3562B0E4.21D8@kih.net>...

>BUESIG wrote:

>>

>> Stevia is a good natural sweetener for diabetics

>

>where can I get it? Can I grow it? Where can I get starter plants/seeds?

>

>thanks!

>

>

>--

>regards,

>

>michael brown

>mbrown@kih.net







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>What precisely is Stevia?  How does it compare to things like licorice root.

>BTW, is licorice root a non-sugar sweetener?



It's an herb...full name...Stevia rebaudiana.  I don't know how it compares to

licorice root...my daughter hates licorice and anything that smells or tastes

anything remotely like it.  It's sweetening compound is steviaside.  



The plant is very sweet tasting and you're supposed to be able to bake with

it...something you can't do with nutra sweet./equal...and the main reason I

began looking into the plant.  Some people have said that it has a funny after

taste but I haven't noticed any so far.  You dry and powder the leaves to use

as a substitute for sugar.



So far all the things I've read note that it's safe for diabetics.  I asked our

endocrinologist about it but of course...he'd never heard of it before.  What

else is new?



My plant is just a baby right now and not big enough for harvesting so I

haven't been able to see if it has any effect on my daughter's glucose levels

or not.  I'm hoping to be able to harvest enough of it to try it out this year.

 It doesn't take a lot of the leaves for use...it is a few hundred times

sweeter than sugar.  I just don't want to harm the plant because it is so

young.





Beth

The Truth is Out There



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I have seen lots of posts on stevia as a natural sweetener but none on =

maple syrup. Pure maple syrup and blackstrap molasses are the only =

sugars which don't cause an insulin reaction. Blackstrap molasses =

doesn't taste very good, but maple syrup sure does. I use it in place of =

honey and refined sugar. I've never tried stevia. Maple syrup is easier =

and cheaper for me personally. I have friends who tap their own trees =

and I will get it for free when I go and tap with them. Just a =

thought.....



-- Kay



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I love both maple syrup and blackstrap molasses.  However, I thought they'd

be just as bad as any other sugar for a diabetic.  (If they're not bad, I

wonder why none of my relative's doctors have ever mentioned them--they seem

stuck on these sugar substitutes like Equal--yech.)  I wonder if there is a

way to verify that using them won't cause an insulin shock?  IAE, I've used

maple syrup as a sweetener for quite a few things for years.  Nothing beats

molasses though when it comes to pancakes and waffles.



John Mueller



slade or kay henson wrote in message <6k2hok$a7n$1@news2.alpha.net>...

I have seen lots of posts on stevia as a natural sweetener but none on maple

syrup. Pure maple syrup and blackstrap molasses are the only sugars which

don't cause an insulin reaction. Blackstrap molasses doesn't taste very

good, but maple syrup sure does. I use it in place of honey and refined

sugar. I've never tried stevia. Maple syrup is easier and cheaper for me

personally. I have friends who tap their own trees and I will get it for

free when I go and tap with them. Just a thought.....



-- Kay



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My Naturopath told me the information, John. He has clients on maple =

syrup who have diabetes and I have had clients also use it. I have a =

client with Lupus right now who also has diabetes and she is Detoxing =

using it. No problems. Pure maple syrup has lots of nutrition in it, =

too. I will ask him how he knows it to not cause an insulin reaction. I =

believe because it is a natural type of sugar, but I'm not positive on =

that. I also agree with you on the Equal thing. YUCK!!



Kay



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John Mueller wrote in message <6k473p$knn$1@news2.alpha.net>...

>I love both maple syrup and blackstrap molasses.  However, I thought =

they'd

>be just as bad as any other sugar for a diabetic.  (If they're not bad, =

I

>wonder why none of my relative's doctors have ever mentioned them--they =

seem

>stuck on these sugar substitutes like Equal--yech.)  I wonder if there =

is a

>way to verify that using them won't cause an insulin shock?  IAE, I've =

used

>maple syrup as a sweetener for quite a few things for years.  Nothing =

beats

>molasses though when it comes to pancakes and waffles.

>

>John Mueller

>







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Kay,



Thanks for getting back with me on this maple syrup question.  At least one

of my diabetic relatives insists that maple syrup is as bad as any sugar for

you, though I'm not sure where she's getting her information.  I'd like to

be able to say that I was able to find some really good source of

information.  Obviously, when it comes to such a major health concern, I

also like to be very accurate.  (No one would want to be responsible for

putting someone else into diabetic shock.)



John Mueller



slade or kay henson wrote in message <6k56he$ob2$1@news2.alpha.net>...

My Naturopath told me the information, John. He has clients on maple syrup

who have diabetes and I have had clients also use it. I have a client with

Lupus right now who also has diabetes and she is Detoxing using it. No

problems. Pure maple syrup has lots of nutrition in it, too. I will ask him

how he knows it to not cause an insulin reaction. I believe because it is a

natural type of sugar, but I'm not positive on that. I also agree with you

on the Equal thing. YUCK!!



Kay







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>Thanks for getting back with me on this maple syrup question.  At least one

>of my diabetic relatives insists that maple syrup is as bad as any sugar for

>you, though I'm not sure where she's getting her information



According to our Endocrinologist, your relative is correct.  Maple syrup and

molasses (sp) are both out for diabetics.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



From derrico@legal.umass.edu Wed May 27 00:02:54 1998

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In article <1998052618105000.OAA02440@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04) wrote:



>>Thanks for getting back with me on this maple syrup question.  At least one

>>of my diabetic relatives insists that maple syrup is as bad as any sugar for

>>you, though I'm not sure where she's getting her information

>

>According to our Endocrinologist, your relative is correct.  Maple syrup and

>molasses (sp) are both out for diabetics.

>Beth

>The Truth is Out There



If you're looking for a natural sweetner, check out Stevia, a product of

the honey-leaf tree just re-admitted into the US by the FDA.

-- 

Peter d'Errico   tel: 413-545-2003    fax: 413-545-1640

Legal Studies Faculty   email: derrico@legal.umass.edu

University of Massachusetts, Amherst MA 01003 USA

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According to my personal Naturopaths and Dr. Linda rector-Page, pure =

maple syrup is a whole foods sweetener and can be handled and =

metabolized--digested, assimilated-- easily by the body in its regular =

processes. As I said, I've had clients with diabetes use it with no ill =

effects. Pure maple syrup keeps blood sugar levels in balance, as well =

as provides natural vitamins and minerals.=20

"Pure maple syrup is a balanced form of natural sugar that will not =

cause insulin response. Rich in minerals that the body needs." Quoted =

from Dr. Lynn Wilde, N.D., Ph.D.



I hope this answered your question. Now I have a question for you.......

I don't understand why a doctor would advise to take chemical sugars =

like Equal in the first place. There are known effects with using these =

sugar substitutes that aren't healthy. On some of these sugar =

substitutes there is a warning about it right on the packages. Maybe it =

is just my way of thinking that I would choose to use natural sugar =

substitutes rather than some chemically made sugar substitute. Any ideas =

regarding this?



Kay



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John Mueller wrote in message <6kepih$6a3$1@news3.alpha.net>...

>Kay,

>

>Thanks for getting back with me on this maple syrup question.  At least =

one

>of my diabetic relatives insists that maple syrup is as bad as any =

sugar for

>you, though I'm not sure where she's getting her information.  I'd like =

to

>be able to say that I was able to find some really good source of

>information.  Obviously, when it comes to such a major health concern, =

I

>also like to be very accurate.  (No one would want to be responsible =

for

>putting someone else into diabetic shock.)

>

>John Mueller







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I have no idea why a doctor would recommend using non-natural sweeteners,

even for diabetic patients.  Perhaps they get paid off by the "good" folks

at the pharmaceutical companies that make these products, perhaps they're

just misinformed.  I've been using various kinds of natural sweeteners for

years now and find that I like them better than processed sugar.  One of my

favorite teas is licorice.  Now just wait and see, someone will find that

licorice root causes cancer or warts.



John Mueller







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slade or kay henson wrote in message <6kkf9q$eqj$1@news2.alpha.net>...

>According to my personal Naturopaths and Dr. Linda rector-Page, pure maple

syrup is a >whole foods sweetener and can be handled and

metabolized--digested, assimilated-- easily >by the body in its regular

processes. As I said, I've had clients with diabetes use it with no ill

>effects. Pure maple syrup keeps blood sugar levels in balance, as well as

provides natural >vitamins and minerals.

>"Pure maple syrup is a balanced form of natural sugar that will not cause

insulin response. >Rich in minerals that the body needs." Quoted from Dr.

Lynn Wilde, N.D., Ph.D.





That's just not true.  The sugars in maple syrup are metabolized just the

same as any other simple sugars, and can cause a rise in blood sugar just as

purified sugars do.  Maple sugar may be better for most people than refined

sugars, in part because of the minerals it contains, but it can cause a

dangerous reaction in diabetics.  If you want more feedback on this

question, try posting in the pharmacy newsgroup



>I hope this answered your question. Now I have a question for you.......

>I don't understand why a doctor would advise to take chemical sugars like

Equal in the first >place.



Equal is NOT a sugar.  You may want to brush up on your biochemistry before

making such statements.



-Rich













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Does anyone know of a sweetener called Splenda? It is derived from sugar

but has most of the carbohydrate element reduced so that it is sweet but

has not the carb.content that causes reactions. On the market in Canada,

I understand. I tasted it once and it has no peculiar taste and can be

used in cooking.  willgee



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I'd be interested in hearing about this sweetener as well.  Of course, I'd

also be interested to hear if someone has actually tested it for diabetic

reactions and if there are any non-natural components that I need to worry

about.  It would be nice to have something that looked like sugar, tasted

like sugar, but didn't cause the problems that sugar does.



John Mueller



glen black wrote in message <356F448A.657@earthlink.net>...

>Does anyone know of a sweetener called Splenda? It is derived from sugar

>but has most of the carbohydrate element reduced so that it is sweet but

>has not the carb.content that causes reactions. On the market in Canada,

>I understand. I tasted it once and it has no peculiar taste and can be

>used in cooking.  willgee







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On Sat, 30 May 1998 13:12:44 -0500, "John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net> wrote:



>I'd be interested in hearing about this sweetener as well.  Of course, I'd

>also be interested to hear if someone has actually tested it for diabetic

>reactions and if there are any non-natural components that I need to worry

>about.  It would be nice to have something that looked like sugar, tasted

>like sugar, but didn't cause the problems that sugar does.



There's been quite a bit of discussion on Splenda and how to smuggle it from

Canada into the US on misc.health.diabetes  



Your post, however, seems to suggest that sugar is a *particular* problem for

diabetics. That is *not* the case. A diabetic should, like anyone else, eat a

well-balanced diet, and would, like anyone else, be better off if he grazed

all day long rather than eating three large meals. The idea that sugar is a

poison for diabetics is a long-discredited myth.











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From redwitch04@aol.com Wed May 20 19:39:55 1998

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>where can I get it? Can I grow it? Where can I get starter plants/seeds?



It's pretty much the "hot" item this year.  Look around at your local

nurseries...we're over run with it here in CT.  If you can't find it go to

http://www.richters.com and order their catalog, they sell the plant.



So far mine's still alive!  I got it for the same reason, my daughter is

diabetic.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



From wkennedy@dbtech.net Wed May 20 20:49:16 1998

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Fructose is supposed to be all natural, available in supermarkets.



Robert Dolph <bdolph@sprynet.com> wrote:



>Can anybody suggest a good natural sweetner for diabetics??

>

>Thanks............

>

>Bob Dolph





From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Wed May 20 22:02:10 1998

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On Wed, 20 May 1998 17:49:16 GMT, wkennedy@dbtech.net (Wayne Kennedy) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Fructose is supposed to be all natural, available in supermarkets.



Yes. Fructose however is a sugar, readily metabolized by humans; as such it is

about as useful for diabetics as is sugar and honey.



Henriette



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Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> On Wed, 20 May 1998 17:49:16 GMT, wkennedy@dbtech.net (Wayne Kennedy) wrote in

> alt.folklore.herbs:

> 

> >Fructose is supposed to be all natural, available in supermarkets.

> 

> Yes. Fructose however is a sugar, readily metabolized by humans; as such it is

> about as useful for diabetics as is sugar and honey.

> 

> Henriette

> 

> -- 



My oldest son has a sugar sensitivity.  It seemed to me to be a diabetic

reaction.  It started when he was only 2 years old.  His only sugar

intake was from pure fruit juice.  He lost weight so that he only was 22

pounds even with him eating everything in sight.  My sons Doctor had me

take all forms of sugar out of his diet for at least 2 years with the

hope that he would out grow it.  He is now 15 years old and still unable

to handle very much sugar.  He reacts almost the same to fructose and he

does to sugar.  It is much milder now then when he was younger.  I do

use the maple syrup (grade B) and molasses a lot in my baking.  I never

use sugar in my breads (I grind the wheat berries).  It takes longer to

rise but it will rise beautifully without it.

J9



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If you want a truly natural sweetener, just send your name and address

and a check or money order to me and I'll send you some......



Or you could just try some sugar cane. Squeeze it and out comes sweet

nectar. Very tasty, but watch out for the sharp little shards of the

cane. Works just like sugar. Try condensing it to make a syrup to use in

place of corn syrup (takes alot of practice to get this right).



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>Fructose is supposed to be all natural, available in supermarkets.



This is not for diabetics.  Anything that ends in the lovely "ose" is sugar and

should not be ingested by a diabetic person unless they're having a low

episode.  

Beth

The Truth is Out There



From pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net Fri May 22 02:12:00 1998

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Actually, I was under the impression that lactose (milk sugar) IS an

acceptable sugar for diabetics.  Can anyone verify or disprove this?



-Rich



RedWitch04 wrote in message

<1998052114232701.KAA26563@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>... Anything that ends in the lovely "ose" is sugar and

>should not be ingested by a diabetic person unless they're having a low

>episode.

>Beth

>The Truth is Out There







From bdolph@sprynet.com Fri May 22 03:19:30 1998

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My understanding is that the "oses" are complex sugars.  They are acceptable

but they are still sugars.  Are there any side effects or cautions with

Stevia?  What about heat and can it be used in baking?



I want to thank everyone for the input on the sweetner thread, it is

informative to all.



Thank



Bob Dolph



Richard Ogden wrote:



> Actually, I was under the impression that lactose (milk sugar) IS an

> acceptable sugar for diabetics.  Can anyone verify or disprove this?

>

> -Rich

>

> RedWitch04 wrote in message

> <1998052114232701.KAA26563@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> >... Anything that ends in the lovely "ose" is sugar and

> >should not be ingested by a diabetic person unless they're having a low

> >episode.

> >Beth

> >The Truth is Out There









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>My understanding is that the "oses" are complex sugars.  They are acceptable

>but they are still sugars.



Sucrose, Dextrose and Glucose are not "acceptable" for diabetics ..especially

type 1 diabetics unless they are having a low blood sugar episode.  The complex

carbs in any given food...according to our endo...should exceed the sugar carbs

by at least half with the sugar carbs not exceeding 12.



Fructose is found naturally in fruits...something diabetics (and the rest of

us!) should eat a lot of.  The natural sugar in fruits does cause the blood

glucose levels to go higher but it is more readily handled by insulin than

other sugars are and pose no real problem when eaten in fruit.  Used as a sugar

substitue on a regular basis it does cause problems as it can gather behind the

eyes and cause cataracts...same with some sugar substitutes mostly malitol...I

think I spelled that right...and sorbitol.  They're ok to eat as far as blood

glucose levels go but are not to be eaten in large amounts because of the other

problems they can cause.



>Are there any side effects or cautions with

>Stevia?  What about heat and can it be used in baking?



I don't know about the side effects, that's why I'm still looking in to it. 

The best part about Stevia..if it proves harmless to diabetics is that YES!  It

can be used in baking and cooking with far more success than equal and other

brands out there.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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>Actually, I was under the impression that lactose (milk sugar) IS an

>acceptable sugar for diabetics.  Can anyone verify or disprove this?

>

>



The word Lactose simply means "milk sugars"...Lac=milk  ose=sugar.



For my daughter and my father in-law skim milk or 1% milk is recommended.  We

don't always follow that rule because the sugar in a glass of milk is only 12

and it's a natural sugar.  Fructose is also a natural sugar, Fructose means

that it's sugar found naturally in fruit.  It's ok for diabetics to eat

fruit...no problem...but they shouldn't eat large amounts of it around test

time.  Adding fructose to other things to make them sweet is not recommended by

endocrinologist.  Other than not being recommended, it isn't very good as an

added sweetener..you can't cook with it or bake with it.  It doesn't taste all

that great either. :)

Beth

The Truth is Out There



From pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net Fri May 22 02:09:54 1998

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True, but fructose is also taboo for diabetics.



-Rich



Wayne Kennedy wrote in message <35641758.5203539@news>...

>Fructose is supposed to be all natural, available in supermarkets.

>

>Robert Dolph <bdolph@sprynet.com> wrote:

>

>>Can anybody suggest a good natural sweetner for diabetics??

>>

>>Thanks............

>>

>>Bob Dolph

>







From gutapa@aol.com Thu May 21 06:06:43 1998

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>

>Can anybody suggest a good natural sweetner for diabetics??



It is called: Stevia, and you can get it at healh food stores.

I'm pretty sure that it is ok for diabetics to consome

Stevia is made from the Honey Leaf plant, and is supposed to be 300 times

sweeter than sugar.



From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Wed May 20 22:09:21 1998

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On 21 May 1998 03:06:43 GMT, gutapa@aol.com (GUTAPA) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Stevia is made from the Honey Leaf plant, and is supposed to be 300 times

>sweeter than sugar.



Stevia is short for the latin name of the plant, Stevia rebaudiana. I've never

before seen a common English name for it; Honey Leaf plant is a new one for me.



It's sweet alright, but has this strange aftertaste. A bit like licorice, which

also is several 100 times sweeter than sugar - and no, I don't know how they

test for this.



Henriette



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From blake_78215@my-dejanews.com Wed May 20 04:17:39 1998

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(Robert A Horton) wrote:

>

> Why is it that I seem to hear more about homeopathic medicine used with

> horses, and less with other animals? Is it used as much in other species,

and we just don't hear about it as much?

>



Robert;



  Horses are about the only reasonably populous animal that are worth enough

to try something like that on. Horses are expensive and usually something of a

fetish.



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  The address at the top of the message is just the one that DejaNews provides

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  After I signed on to DejaNews with another interest group, the spam started

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Is there a natural way to do this? Thanks for any help, Mark



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On Tue, 19 May 1998, markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles) wrote:



>Is there a natural way to do this?



Originally the vegan diet was introduced to America (by Graham) as a cure

for masterbation. It does this by sharply lowering testosterone production

in both men and women.



See: "Cerealizing America: The Unsweetened Story of American Breakfast

Cereal" by Scott Bruce and Bill Crawford (Faber & Faber, 1995).



So, I would avoid a vegan diet.



Don (at panix com).



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Don Wiss wrote:

> 

> On Tue, 19 May 1998, markcharles@webtv.net (Mark Charles) wrote:

> 

> >Is there a natural way to do this?

> 

> Originally the vegan diet was introduced to America (by Graham) as a cure

> for masterbation. It does this by sharply lowering testosterone production

> in both men and women.

> 

> See: "Cerealizing America: The Unsweetened Story of American Breakfast

> Cereal" by Scott Bruce and Bill Crawford (Faber & Faber, 1995).

> 

> So, I would avoid a vegan diet.

> 

> Don (at panix com).



---------





Yeah, body builders!  forget chowing down the DHEA and tribulus

terrestris.  Just have a regular Sherman, three times a day before meals

(no cereals mind!) and you will develop Gonads of Steel!



Bull's testes are natural and contain testosterone but bio-availability

is poor because yeuch, who wants to eat a bullock's bollocks sandwich.



I know,  tickle my ink sac and call me a squirt, octopi have 8

testicles..... er, don't they?



more valuable info available on www.my.bell.end



Nick - the badger's nadgers



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Old folks used to advise eating lots of red meat every day.

(Not raw tho - like the early athletes used to do)

This may have been a myth, but many cultures over time have claimed that

it worked.

DJ



Mark Charles wrote:



> Is there a natural way to do this? Thanks for any help, Mark







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Lori,

    You are being too hard on yourself, and spending too much energy on

herbs.  Go to your local nursery, (or Lowes/National hardware) and buy herbs

ready grown in small pots.  They are usually about $1-$3.  Or get starts

from a friend.  Then you will already have good healthy plants to start and

can enjoy growing them. Most herbs love lots of sun; however  Mints can be

grown in the shade. Just use the same soil you are growing your other

flowers in, maybe enrich in with some organic matter and enjoy. Or you can

grow herbs in containers with a good rich soil mixture such as Scotts.

Water every few days, unless they are rained on.  Don't fertilize.  I hope

this helps out.

Tammy







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Recently someone posted a message stating that a hormonal imbalance can

be bad for the liver.  Can someone expound on that or point me in the

direction to find more info on this?  Thanks much.



--

Regards,

          Sam







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I have an eight-year old Pomeranian and it's about time for his visit to

the vet.  He's usually a well-behaved little guy, but he's not around

people often.  At the vet, he turns into a snarling terror.  I need to

something to calm him down before the vet or assistant bashes him on the

head.  Is there any herbal sedative I can give him...I don't want anything

that will make him ill or worse.  A friend suggested valerian or passion

flower, but I want to know what's safest, what form (powder, tea, extract)

and what dose to give him.  



Any advice will be greatly appreciated!



Thanks in advance.



Garlic Goddess

kateri23@yahoo.com



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I've seen pills for horses at horse supply stores, which contain

valerian and passion flower. I wouldn't know exactly what would be safe

to recommend, however, or how much, sorry.



-Val



===-*

I never liked Spam.





Garlic Goddess wrote:

> 

> I have an eight-year old Pomeranian and it's about time for his visit to

> the vet.  He's usually a well-behaved little guy, but he's not around

> people often.  At the vet, he turns into a snarling terror.  I need to

> something to calm him down before the vet or assistant bashes him on the

> head.  Is there any herbal sedative I can give him...I don't want anything

> that will make him ill or worse.  A friend suggested valerian or passion

> flower, but I want to know what's safest, what form (powder, tea, extract)

> and what dose to give him.

> 

> Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

> 

> Thanks in advance.

> 

> Garlic Goddess

> kateri23@yahoo.com



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Garlic Goddess wrote:

>

> I have an eight-year old Pomeranian and it's about time for his visit to

> the vet.  He's usually a well-behaved little guy, but he's not around

> people often.  At the vet, he turns into a snarling terror.  I need to

> something to calm him down before the vet or assistant bashes him on the

> head.  Is there any herbal sedative I can give him...I don't want anything

> that will make him ill or worse.  A friend suggested valerian or passion

> flower, but I want to know what's safest, what form (powder, tea, extract)

> and what dose to give him.

>

> Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

>

> Thanks in advance.

>

> Garlic Goddess





There's a herb-vitamin mix on the market, specifically made for horses,

called "Calm and Cool" (not sure about the spelling) that seems to work very

well.  Should be at your tack/feed store or your vet can recommend a source.



-Rich









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This may not be the answer you are seeking but here is my advice.

I have a snarling little darling of a rat terrier who is a healthy little

12 year old.



The vet couldn't believe how frisky she still is (even though she is

slightly overweight). She's been on Puppy Chow her entire life.



Well anyway I just walked the poor darling until she was good and tired on

a leash. She was very calm and happy once we got to the Vet's nice cool

air conditioned office.  I also took her to the Vet  when they weren't

very crowded. I took her on a week day during the day and we were the only

ones there. It's the little things that make a big difference.

cwiley







In article <35619B43.23E625CD@home.com>, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



> I've seen pills for horses at horse supply stores, which contain

> valerian and passion flower. I wouldn't know exactly what would be safe

> to recommend, however, or how much, sorry.

> 

> -Val

> 

> ===-*

> I never liked Spam.

> 

> 

> Garlic Goddess wrote:

> > 

> > I have an eight-year old Pomeranian and it's about time for his visit to

> > the vet.  He's usually a well-behaved little guy, but he's not around

> > people often.  At the vet, he turns into a snarling terror.  I need to

> > something to calm him down before the vet or assistant bashes him on the

> > head.  Is there any herbal sedative I can give him...I don't want anything

> > that will make him ill or worse.  A friend suggested valerian or passion

> > flower, but I want to know what's safest, what form (powder, tea, extract)

> > and what dose to give him.

> > 

> > Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

> > 

> > Thanks in advance.

> > 

> > Garlic Goddess

> > kateri23@yahoo.com



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On 20 May 1998 14:20:51 GMT, "Garlic Goddess" <paula23@sprynet.com>

wrote:



>I have an eight-year old Pomeranian and it's about time for his visit to

>the vet.  He's usually a well-behaved little guy, but he's not around

>people often.  At the vet, he turns into a snarling terror.  I need to

>something to calm him down before the vet or assistant bashes him on the

>head.  Is there any herbal sedative I can give him...I don't want anything

>that will make him ill or worse.  A friend suggested valerian or passion

>flower, but I want to know what's safest, what form (powder, tea, extract)

>and what dose to give him.  

>

>Any advice will be greatly appreciated!



I know this may sound quite gittish seeing as your nickname is "Garlic

Goddess", but have you tried garlic and mashed potatoes?  I feed it to

my dog (67 pounder) twice a year for flea control, but he always seems

to get strangely fatigued after eating it.



Another beauty is to feed the little guy a whopping amount of Turkey

before he goes.  Boy, that'll do 'em in. Be careful he doesn't fall

asleep on the vet's table though.  :-)









"I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize."

Many well days,



Stephen Fraser

Email: frasers@surenet.net

ICQ: 9825255



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Garlic Goddess wrote:

> 

> I have an eight-year old Pomeranian and it's about time for his visit to

> the vet.  He's usually a well-behaved little guy, but he's not around

> people often.  At the vet, he turns into a snarling terror.  I need to

> something to calm him down before the vet or assistant bashes him on the

> head.  Is there any herbal sedative I can give him...I don't want anything

> that will make him ill or worse.  A friend suggested valerian or passion

> flower, but I want to know what's safest, what form (powder, tea, extract)

> and what dose to give him.

> 

> Any advice will be greatly appreciated!

> 

> Thanks in advance.

> 

> Garlic Goddess

> kateri23@yahoo.com





I use Rescue Remedie from Bach Flower Essenses.  My cats that I used to

have hated children and would have nothing to do with them.  My boys

were able to carry the cats around the house after adding the Rescue

Remedie to their water.  I have since found out that more and more Vets

and Zoo's are also starting to use it.  I never travel without it.



J9



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> He's usually a well-behaved little guy, but he's not around

>people often.  At the vet, he turns into a snarling terror

>Garlic Goddess

I suggest that you might  be the problem.  I had a dog who tried to bite, and I

mean attack!! the vet every time we went.  However, it was because I was there

and the dog thought the vet was hurting me.  As soon as I would leave him, he

turned into the loving baby I knew.  He was just so protective of me that in

the situation he turned on all strangers.  So from then on, I simply delivered

him to the examining room and went back to the waiting room.  What had taken a

muzzle, which he actually snapped apart!!!! as well as myself and several

assistants, and leashes, and a vet, without me there,  proceeded smoothly and

without so much as a snarl or whimper.  He still hated to go into the office,

but with me out of his sight he didn't feel the need to protect me.  Sounds

silly, but it worked for us

Gloria.







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I am having a problem I am assuming is the onset of menopause. I have

prolonged bleeding--lasting months at a time. I had a D&C-- no good- I am

running out of energy and don't really want a hysterectomy. I am taking iron

and vitamins but I am getting very run down. I have no other symptoms at

all. Any suggestions?











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In article <3562efcf.0@news.cadvision.com>,

  "Sharon B" <bereskos@cadvision.com> wrote:

>

> I am having a problem I am assuming is the onset of menopause. I have

> prolonged bleeding--lasting months at a time. I had a D&C-- no good- I am

> running out of energy and don't really want a hysterectomy. I am taking iron

> and vitamins but I am getting very run down. I have no other symptoms at

> all. Any suggestions?

>

>

Dong Quai has long been used to balance menstrual cycles.  For heavy bleeding

consider yarrow and sarsaparilla for its progesterone-like affect.



Chlorophyll will help to keep the blood count up during this heavy loss and

includes many trace minerals which will also help energy levels.  I would

suspect anemnia in your situation.



You may e-mail me at jcandy@naturelink.net for further nutritional support.

Candy



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Sharon B wrote in message <3562efcf.0@news.cadvision.com>...

>I am having a problem I am assuming is the onset of menopause. I have

>prolonged bleeding--lasting months at a time. I had a D&C-- no good- I am

>running out of energy and don't really want a hysterectomy. I am taking

iron

>and vitamins but I am getting very run down. I have no other symptoms at

>all. Any suggestions?

>

When I had this about 7 years ago, I had been bleeding continuously for over

6 months, before I finally decided to try some herbs with

estrogenic/progesteronic properties or precursers.  I happened to have some

Soloray SP7-C Black Cohosh Blend on hand.  I took 4 capsules and the

bleeding stopped within 2 hours.  I now take 2 of the above + 2 plain Black

Cohosh Caps., 3 times a day (with Sundays off), and have had no more

problems.  I do find though, that even with not taking the herbs on Sundays,

I still tend to eventually become "sensitive" to anything I take long term.

I have found that a tincture (made at home) of equal parts of Chaste Tree

Berries, Dong Quai and Wild Yam works equally well for me, when I need a

longer break from the Black Cohosh.



While I was in the process of discovering the second formula, I had stopped

taking the Black Cohosh, and the bleeding started again.  It took 1 1/2

months to get things sorted out again.  By this time, I had become so anemic

that I had severe diarrhea that taking iron didn't seem to help.  I happened

to start taking Yellow Dock for some other reason, and found that its high

iron content did the trick.  After taking it for app. 3 months, I was no

longer anemic.



--

Marie (using my husband's addy)

For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206

>

>

>







From tgrinager@email.msn.com Wed May 20 23:15:40 1998

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Does anyone know of a homeopathic remedy for plantar warts on the bottom of

feet?



TIA,

Tauna







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I had very good luck getting of plantar warts by making a paste of

baking soda and spirits of camphor.  I put it over the area at night and

put a bandage over it overnight. Remove the pack in the morning...it

took about 10 days to do the trick!



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In article <OYEdIwCh9GA.189@uppubnews03>,

  "Grinager" <tgrinager@email.msn.com> wrote:

>

>

> Does anyone know of a homeopathic remedy for plantar warts on the bottom of

> feet?

>

> TIA,

> Tauna

>

>

I do not know of a homeopathic remedy.  However, all of the following have

been used to get rid of warts:



Aloe Vera Gel (for tissue health)

Tea Tree Oil (applied externally 3-4 times a day)

Pau d'arco lotion (applied externally for 7 weeks)

Garlic - rub fresh garlic clove on warts to remove



Candy



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cod liver oil.....



Grinager <tgrinager@email.msn.com> wrote in article

<OYEdIwCh9GA.189@uppubnews03>...

> 

> 

> Does anyone know of a homeopathic remedy for plantar warts on the bottom

of

> feet?

> 

> TIA,

> Tauna

> 

> 

> 



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>Does anyone know of a homeopathic remedy for plantar warts on the bottom of

>feet?



This is purely antedotal, but an interesting story.   Seveal years ago my

brother-in-law had warts on the bottom of his feet, which were really bothering

him.  But typically after hearing the horror story treatments, he put off going

to the Dr.  However, he and his wife went to Hawaii for a vacation and he

swears that walking on the beaches there cured his warts!!!!!!   They went away

shortly after his return and he still doesn't have them now, and he did nothing

different except the vacation to Hawaii.  Seems a reasonable cause and effect

test.  And I don't see why, if it worked, that one shouldn't be allowed to

deduct the trip, only for the person so afflicted, as a genuine medical

deduction.  This may not work for anyone else, but it apparently worked for

him, and sounds a lot nicer than what a Dr would recomend!!!  Good luck

Gloria



From A_student@postoffice.utas.edu.au Wed May 27 04:17:17 1998

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My daughter had warts on her hands, about 9 in all.   We applied Vitamin E,

straight from a 100iu capsule to each wart, each night.  Then she put on

light gloves and went to bed.  Took about a week to 10 days but they all

went away.

Might work for feet.   Alternatively, try a Vitamin E cream, works for hard

and cracked skin on my feet.



Merilyn



In article <1998052700032700.UAA11779@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

trekgloria@aol.com (Trekgloria) wrote:



> >Does anyone know of a homeopathic remedy for plantar warts on the bottom of

> >feet?

>



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A Student wrote:

> 

> My daughter had warts on her hands, about 9 in all.   We applied Vitamin E,

> straight from a 100iu capsule to each wart, each night.  Then she put on

> light gloves and went to bed.  Took about a week to 10 days but they all

> went away.

> Might work for feet.   Alternatively, try a Vitamin E cream, works for hard

> and cracked skin on my feet.

> 

> Merilyn

> 

> In article <1998052700032700.UAA11779@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

> trekgloria@aol.com (Trekgloria) wrote:

> 

> > >Does anyone know of a homeopathic remedy for plantar warts on the bottom of

> > >feet?

> >

I had plantar's warts several years ago, and a friend suggested crushing

an iron tablet and sprinkling some pieces on a bandaid and applying the

bandaid over the wart.  Supposedly, the iron bits irritate the area with

the wart and it goes away.  Took about 2 weeks, too, but it worked! 

Good luck!



Dawn



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I had planter wart on my heal that bothered me so that I could not walk

comfortably.  Doc wanted to cut them out and scrape the bone to get what he

called the root.  I went home and found one reference in a very old natural

med book.  I took Vit. E, not the mixed form, but the pure d-alpha

tocopheryl.  I used about 1600 IU per day for about 3 months.  On occasion I

applied the Vit. E oil to a bandage and left on over night.  The warts

turned black and fell out in my sock.  To date I have never had them again

and that was 18 years ago.  If fact, I never get any type of wart anymore,

but then I take Vit. E all of the time.  This same strategy worked for my

wife with common warts on her hands.  One word of caution, large doses of

Vit E supposedly can cause heart palpations<sp>.  Use at your own risk.



Trekgloria wrote in message

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>>Does anyone know of a homeopathic remedy for plantar warts on the bottom

of

>>feet?

>









From chipperdog@my-dejanews.com Wed May 20 23:38:40 1998

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hi



i am interested in finding reputable sources for bulk herbs for personal use.

i am specifically interested in:



1)kava kava root

2)damiana

3)ginko biloba

4)tribulus

5)blue/green algae

6)saw palmetto

7)muira puama

8)avena sativa



i would prefer to find a CANADIAN supplier but U.S. will do.



thanks for your time...chipper



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From puddies@frontiernet.net Wed May 20 23:50:27 1998

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From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

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Magda2 wrote in message <1998052010432300.GAA22075@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Hey one and all! Iwas wondering if anyone knew what was in the  Tecnu ?

Sounds

>like it would greeat to have around. I have a patch of poison ivy by my

herb

>garden of all places that I am trying to irradicate w/out using

>chemicals.Woodashe has been working OK but it is a very persistent plant.

Any

>other ideas? TIA!

>       Marianne



Hi Marianne,



I am overjoyed that I just got my bottle of Tecnu back from my neighbor whom

I had loaned it to a while ago.   My cats go out into the woods, and the new

baby leaves of the Poison Ivy which are just LOADED with the offending oil

gets on their fur.   They walk up against me and I am in big trouble.  VERY

allergic to Poison Ivy.



OK,  I am reading the stuff off the bottle for you now.



It is made by TEC laboratories of Albany Oregon



It says under ingredients :   Deodorized mineral spirits, water propylene

glycol, octylphenoxy-polyethoxyethanol, mixed fatty acid soad, polyethylene

glycol, and fragrance.



It removes the toxic oils of Poison Oak, Poison Ivy, and Poison Sumac.



There is a phone number on the back  1-800-4824464  (1-800-ITCHING)



I got my bottle from the Kenco work products store in Woodstock New York.

which is in the 914 area code if you are calling information for the number.

(I don't have it offhand)



The last time I got this stuff I ordered it with a credit card over the

phone.   I suffered the couple of days till it arrived.   One washing later

it was already healing up.



Evelyn







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Posting this here on the chance that someone here will know of a source

where I can buy organic sprouting seeds. In particular, I'm looking for

the small, black ("oil") sunflower seeds.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks.



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Perhaps this is a silly question, but what kind of herbs are generally in 

herbal cigarettes?   I think I've seen herbal cigarettes on a website or 

two... can you put any herb in them?  Are there specific ones that are usually 

smoked?





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Different blends have different ingredients, however, here are a FEW

that i've found in some:



Catnip

Rosemary

Corn Silk (to prolong burning)

Coltsfoot

Organically grown tobacco

Wood Betony

Mugwort

Ginseng

Mint (various kinds)

Hop flowers



Well, you COULD put any herb in them, but some would kill you. ;)



-Val



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Michelle wrote:

> 

> Perhaps this is a silly question, but what kind of herbs are generally in

> herbal cigarettes?   I think I've seen herbal cigarettes on a website or

> two... can you put any herb in them?  Are there specific ones that are usually

> smoked?



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One of my daughters has a daycare center in Central Iowa, and the head lice

are

a terrible problem.  A local remedy that seems to be working very well is

to coat the childs hair well with mayonaise, (not salad dressing), cover

with a plastic bag for 5 to 8 hours , comb out and wash.  Be sure you are

"bagging" all toys etc for two weeks and washing everything else.  A good

carpet sweeping helps too.  Good Luck!





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emma wrote:



> One of my daughters has a daycare center in Central Iowa, and the head lice

> are

> a terrible problem.  A local remedy that seems to be working very well is

> to coat the childs hair well with mayonaise, (not salad dressing), cover

> with a plastic bag for 5 to 8 hours , comb out and wash.  Be sure you are

> "bagging" all toys etc for two weeks and washing everything else.  A good

> carpet sweeping helps too.  Good Luck!



  Latest I've heard on treating resistant lice is combo of anise & ylang ylang

in oil (coconut, I think). Commercially produced in Israel, and effective on

lice that dance on 5% permethrin.

I'll post brand name if  I can find it...





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Mayonaise would appear to be a good head lice solution....it contains vinegar,

which disolves the "glue" like substance which holds the egg to the

hair....usually a wash with one part vinegar and three parts water, two or

three times a week over a three week period will do the job. But the mayonaise

sounds like a better idea, as it will hold to the hair for a longer period and

remove the eggs more efficiently...

Ann



emma wrote:



> One of my daughters has a daycare center in Central Iowa, and the head lice

> are

> a terrible problem.  A local remedy that seems to be working very well is

> to coat the childs hair well with mayonaise, (not salad dressing), cover

> with a plastic bag for 5 to 8 hours , comb out and wash.  Be sure you are

> "bagging" all toys etc for two weeks and washing everything else.  A good

> carpet sweeping helps too.  Good Luck!









From krhaze@aol.com Thu May 21 07:56:33 1998

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Ken's Place Online for Alternative Health has been

updated on May 21, 1998.



http://members.aol.com/krhaze/index.htm



Here are a few of the available links:



* Supplement May Lower Heart Attack Risk Among Smokers

* Natural Vitamin E Twice As Potent As Synthetic Version

* Fasting May Help The Spirit, But The Body Is Another Matter

* Americans Don't Drink Enough Water

* FDA Questions Contents Of Diet Pills

* Who Uses Alternative Medicine?

* Tea: A Cup Of Comfort

* Does Ginkgo Biloba Make You Smarter?

* An Herbal Treatment For Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia

* Protein Supplements Help Fracture Patients

* Garlic Doesn't Drop Children's Cholesterol

* Agriculture Dept. To Revise 'Organic' Labels



Also, the following essential oils have been added

to the aromatherapy section:



* Cinnamon

* Cistus

* Citronella



Thanks for your time,

Ken Hayes



Ken's Place Online for Alternative Health

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From daveem@webtv.net Thu May 21 08:47:53 1998

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a woman friend of mine just had a historectomy, and she is looking for a

natural source for hormone replacement.

I am fishing for ideas for her, Thanks

Dave 



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daveem m wrote in message <6k0f69$46d$1@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

a woman friend of mine just had a historectomy, and she is looking for a

natural source for hormone replacement.

I am fishing for ideas for her, Thanks

Dave



Please check out the alt.menopause newsgroup.   They will be able to help

you out a lot on this.



Evelyn







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> daveem m wrote in message <6k0f69$46d$1@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

> a woman friend of mine just had a historectomy, and she is looking for a

> natural source for hormone replacement.

> I am fishing for ideas for her, Thanks

> Dave

>



Excellent source for in depth info is Jon Wright's book "Natural Hormone

Replacement For Women Over 45". Amazon has a good review.



 Best wishes

 Mark







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In article <6k0f69$46d$1@newsd-104.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,

  daveem@webtv.net (daveem m) wrote:

>

> a woman friend of mine just had a historectomy, and she is looking for a

> natural source for hormone replacement.

> I am fishing for ideas for her, Thanks

> Dave

>

There are no such things as "natural hormones".  However, there are herbs

which act as precursors to hormones.  One is Wild Yam which used to be used to

make progesterone.  I understand this is no longer the case and synthetic

progesterone is used in those products.



Another is chaste tree.  Also, soy beans have a hormonal effect as women in

asian countries have a lower incidence of breast cancer.



Dong Quai and Black Cohosh have also been used traditionally to support

menopause including surgical menopause.



I had operations for hysterectomy and later had my ovaries removed.  I use

several natural products to eliminate menopause problems.  Feel free to

contact me by e-mail for further help.



Candy





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Soy (available in capsules) and various foods helps as does a cream made from

wild yam.  Soy has been shown to be helpful in the treatment of hot flashes and

helps with bone density also.  Wild yam cream is said to be effective when

applied externally to the inner arms or thighs.  It takes about 1/3 teaspoonful

per application .  Hope this helps some.  Billy Williamson 



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A new feature, "Saving Tropical Forests Profitably," has just been

posted. It presents the many reasons why tropical forests should be

protected and how that can be accomplished so that everyone benefits. 

Such ideas as sustainable harvesting of forest products and ecotourism

are discussed.



Also, starting Thursday, May 21, there will be Name That Plant Contest

#12 beginning.  Sharpen your plant identification skills and see if you

can name the mystery plant using the new clues that are posted every 1-2

days.  There is a new contest every week starting on Thursday.  There is

no prize, but the winner will be recognized as "Plant Sleuth of the

Week."



Much more is available at The Botany Site for all plant lovers. 

Previous feature articles, link collections, a chat area and bulletin

board are just a few of the many things available.  Stop in and visit

for a while.



Bryan 

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I'm a reporter for a news station in Cleveland, Ohio.  I'm doing a story on

Androstenedione and would like to find out it's affects, both good and bad, on

those who have used it.  I would like to interview anyone who has used this

natural steroid...preferably from the Cleveland area.  If you would like to

remain anonymous during the interview, we will do that.  Thank You.



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From nick.diciaccio@usa.net Fri May 22 00:08:12 1998

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Hello everyone,



I posted to "rec.gardens" about how to repel ants (specifically small

black ants) outside, and I got a response suggesting using tansy, or

"Tanacetum vulgaris", as this person told me was the proper name.  



As this is the 'herb' place, I just thought I'd see what you folks 

thought of this.  Anyone here have experiences like this with tansy?

Please let me know.



Thanks--Nick





____________________________________________________________________

Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1



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In my experience, the ants disliked the tansy leaves. However, they

didn't let the roots bother them from building a nest around them, along

with their aphid friends. 



-Val





nick.diciaccio@usa.net wrote:

> 

> Hello everyone,

> 

> I posted to "rec.gardens" about how to repel ants (specifically small

> black ants) outside, and I got a response suggesting using tansy, or

> "Tanacetum vulgaris", as this person told me was the proper name.

> 

> As this is the 'herb' place, I just thought I'd see what you folks

> thought of this.  Anyone here have experiences like this with tansy?

> Please let me know.

> 

> Thanks--Nick

> 

> ____________________________________________________________________

> Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1



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From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

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Val, Nick



Tanacetum vulgaris is tansy, don't think that's yer man.  Tanacetum

cinerariifolium is chrysanthenum, syn. pyrethrum, which does contain a

natural insecticide.  (The synthetic version of pyrethroids are what

they use in commercial pesticides - effective at 1 gram per acre -

shudder! - how does the insect find the molecule??)



But can these plants could protect other plants?  Don't know.



On my chili plants the ants only seem to be there because of the aphids,

and doing for the aphids meant that the ants didn't bother hanging

around - far too busy.



However, the only way to really bosch the aphids was to brush them off

with my fingers and squash 'em...   Guess I failed the Dalai Lama test,

again.





Nick



------------



Valerian wrote:

> 

> In my experience, the ants disliked the tansy leaves. However, they

> didn't let the roots bother them from building a nest around them, along

> with their aphid friends.

> 

> -Val

> 

> nick.diciaccio@usa.net wrote:

> >

> > Hello everyone,

> >

> > I posted to "rec.gardens" about how to repel ants (specifically small

> > black ants) outside, and I got a response suggesting using tansy, or

> > "Tanacetum vulgaris", as this person told me was the proper name.

> >

> > As this is the 'herb' place, I just thought I'd see what you folks

> > thought of this.  Anyone here have experiences like this with tansy?

> > Please let me know.

> >

> > Thanks--Nick

> >

> > ____________________________________________________________________

> > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1



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The best way I have found to repel bugs of any sort, is to let some dry

or fresh Cayenne pepper sit overnight with some garlic cloves (both

chopped up of course) in some warm water, maybe even out in the sun, for

a day/night. Next, strain and spray the resulting liquid on your plants.

I've never harmed my plants by using this, they seem to enjoy it, while

the ants/aphids, etc. can't stand it.



-Val



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NO Spam!





Nick wrote:

> 

> Val, Nick

> 

> Tanacetum vulgaris is tansy, don't think that's yer man.  Tanacetum

> cinerariifolium is chrysanthenum, syn. pyrethrum, which does contain a

> natural insecticide.  (The synthetic version of pyrethroids are what

> they use in commercial pesticides - effective at 1 gram per acre -

> shudder! - how does the insect find the molecule??)

> 

> But can these plants could protect other plants?  Don't know.

> 

> On my chili plants the ants only seem to be there because of the aphids,

> and doing for the aphids meant that the ants didn't bother hanging

> around - far too busy.

> 

> However, the only way to really bosch the aphids was to brush them off

> with my fingers and squash 'em...   Guess I failed the Dalai Lama test,

> again.

> 

> Nick

> 

> ------------

> 

> Valerian wrote:

> >

> > In my experience, the ants disliked the tansy leaves. However, they

> > didn't let the roots bother them from building a nest around them, along

> > with their aphid friends.

> >

> > -Val

> >

> > nick.diciaccio@usa.net wrote:

> > >

> > > Hello everyone,

> > >

> > > I posted to "rec.gardens" about how to repel ants (specifically small

> > > black ants) outside, and I got a response suggesting using tansy, or

> > > "Tanacetum vulgaris", as this person told me was the proper name.

> > >

> > > As this is the 'herb' place, I just thought I'd see what you folks

> > > thought of this.  Anyone here have experiences like this with tansy?

> > > Please let me know.

> > >

> > > Thanks--Nick

> > >

> > > ____________________________________________________________________

> > > Get free e-mail and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1



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nick.diciaccio@usa.net wrote:

> 

> Hello everyone,

> 

> I posted to "rec.gardens" about how to repel ants (specifically small

> black ants) outside, and I got a response suggesting using tansy, or

> "Tanacetum vulgaris", as this person told me was the proper name.

> 

> As this is the 'herb' place, I just thought I'd see what you folks

> thought of this.  Anyone here have experiences like this with tansy?

> Please let me know.

> 

> Thanks--Nick

>  



I planted it because I thought it might help.  It didn't.  The ants were

all over the plant.



J9



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Tansy didn't seem to work for us either.  But I heard somewhere that Bay

Leaves work, so we tried it.  Just dropped them all over the house in

corners and cupboards and you know what?  It really worked, we just stopped

seeing ants.  Don't know where they went and don't care.  We just used

regular dried Bay Leaves that we had in the cupboard for ages.  

Best wishes

fade



WL Sakowski <wl-ski@gratisnet.com> wrote in article

<wgcid$1$g170$h302$i10$j37cb08d9@gratisnet.com>...

>  p> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 05:45:24 GMT

>  p> Subject: Re: Effectiveness of 'Tansy' in Repelling Ants

>  p> From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

> 

>  p> nick.diciaccio@usa.net wrote:

> 

> >> ... about how to repel ants (specifically small black ants)

> >> outside, and I got a response suggesting using tansy, ...

> >> thought I'd see what you folks thought of this.  Anyone ...

> >> have experiences...

> 

>  p> I planted it because I thought it might help.  It didn't.  The

>  p> ants were all over the plant.

> 





From derrico@legal.umass.edu Wed May 27 00:00:25 1998

Date: Tue, 26 May 1998 16:00:25 -0500

From: derrico@legal.umass.edu (Peter d'Errico)

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Subject: Re: Effectiveness of 'Tansy' in Repelling Ants

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Maybe it's not tansy but "sweet fern" that you want to use. I used to call

it "tansy" until I was told by a couple of people that this is not its

real name. I think this is a case of local names varying from "scientific"

names. Anyway, "sweet fern" works (for me).



Peter



In article <01bd88cf$2ff783c0$32f9aecc@wzngfnxm>, "Geordie Young"

<geofade@direct.ca> wrote:



>Tansy didn't seem to work for us either.  But I heard somewhere that Bay

>Leaves work, so we tried it.  Just dropped them all over the house in

>corners and cupboards and you know what?  It really worked, we just stopped

>seeing ants.  Don't know where they went and don't care.  We just used

>regular dried Bay Leaves that we had in the cupboard for ages.  

>Best wishes

>fade

>

>WL Sakowski <wl-ski@gratisnet.com> wrote in article

><wgcid$1$g170$h302$i10$j37cb08d9@gratisnet.com>...

>>  p> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 05:45:24 GMT

>>  p> Subject: Re: Effectiveness of 'Tansy' in Repelling Ants

>>  p> From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

>> 

>>  p> nick.diciaccio@usa.net wrote:

>> 

>> >> ... about how to repel ants (specifically small black ants)

>> >> outside, and I got a response suggesting using tansy, ...

>> >> thought I'd see what you folks thought of this.  Anyone ...

>> >> have experiences...

>> 

>>  p> I planted it because I thought it might help.  It didn't.  The

>>  p> ants were all over the plant.

>>

-- 

Peter d'Errico   tel: 413-545-2003    fax: 413-545-1640

Legal Studies Faculty   email: derrico@legal.umass.edu

University of Massachusetts, Amherst MA 01003 USA

WWW: http://www.umass.edu/legal/derrico



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I have found only two herbs on the internet that can

be used for schizophrenia: scullcap and gotu kola.

I am interested in going off of medication and trying

these herbs but I have no documented information of

how successful these herbs are.  I also read an article

about Chinese herbs being used effectively for

schizophrenia but it was complicated and there were

lots of herbs involved and I don't know if any of them

would work alone.



If anyone has information regarding these or other

herbs and how well they treat schizophrenia I would

be interested.  If you don't have any evidence, either

personal or documented, of whether or not herbs work

for schizophrenia then please don't reply.



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On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:23:41 GMT, walkers@eurekanet.com wrote:



>I have found only two herbs on the internet that can

>be used for schizophrenia: scullcap and gotu kola.

>I am interested in going off of medication



There is also a diet option that was studied some years back. Problem is

schizophrenia meds are very profitable, and most schizophrenics won't stay

on a diet.



This page has a discussion on Dohan and his work buried in it:



  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/reichelt.html



Don (at panix com).



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In article <6k260s$6l9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

  walkers@eurekanet.com wrote:

>

> I have found only two herbs on the internet that can

> be used for schizophrenia: scullcap and gotu kola.

> I am interested in going off of medication and trying

> these herbs but I have no documented information of

> how successful these herbs are.  I also read an article

> about Chinese herbs being used effectively for

> schizophrenia but it was complicated and there were

> lots of herbs involved and I don't know if any of them

> would work alone.

>

> If anyone has information regarding these or other

> herbs and how well they treat schizophrenia I would

> be interested.  If you don't have any evidence, either

> personal or documented, of whether or not herbs work

> for schizophrenia then please don't reply.

>

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I don't have any evidence, and nevertheless I *am* going to reply. There is

such a thing as going overboard with herbal remedies and disdaining all

modern medicine as "bad". Schizophrenia is a complex and serious condition. I

have a brother-in-law who has suffered with it for about 30 years, and he

suffers *most* when he tries to wean himself off his medicine. And everyone

around him suffers, too. Yes, the side-effects of the medication are

uncomfortable, annoying, unpleasant, what-have-you, but they pale in

comparison to the illness itself.



Herbal treatments have their place, and it is a valuable, useful place-- but

*this isn't* their place.



Lois



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lcruz@neumedia.net wrote:



> I don't have any evidence, and nevertheless I *am* going to reply. There is

> such a thing as going overboard with herbal remedies and disdaining all

> modern medicine as "bad". Schizophrenia is a complex and serious condition. I

> have a brother-in-law who has suffered with it for about 30 years, and he

> suffers *most* when he tries to wean himself off his medicine. And everyone

> around him suffers, too. Yes, the side-effects of the medication are

> uncomfortable, annoying, unpleasant, what-have-you, but they pale in

> comparison to the illness itself.

>

> Herbal treatments have their place, and it is a valuable, useful place-- but

> *this isn't* their place.

>

> Lois



Depends on the individual and their circumstance (severity, support, including

whether they even really have schizophrenia or just have had the pleasure of

being slapped with the label).



My brother was diagnosed schizophrenia years ago, took medication for a few

years, weaned himself off; and does great.  Of course a major factor was

realizing the people who were really nuts were those writing the prescriptions --

once he got away from them he could begin healing.  He is a pleasure to be around

now and is doing really well for himself.



Cheryl





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On Fri, 22 May 1998 09:09:03 GMT, toce <ccpm@nospam.wave.ca> wrote:



>lcruz@neumedia.net wrote:

>

>> I don't have any evidence, and nevertheless I *am* going to reply. There is

>> such a thing as going overboard with herbal remedies and disdaining all

>> modern medicine as "bad". Schizophrenia is a complex and serious condition. I

>> have a brother-in-law who has suffered with it for about 30 years, and he

>> suffers *most* when he tries to wean himself off his medicine. And everyone

>> around him suffers, too. Yes, the side-effects of the medication are

>> uncomfortable, annoying, unpleasant, what-have-you, but they pale in

>> comparison to the illness itself.

>>

>> Herbal treatments have their place, and it is a valuable, useful place-- but

>> *this isn't* their place.

>>

>> Lois

>

>Depends on the individual and their circumstance (severity, support, including

>whether they even really have schizophrenia or just have had the pleasure of

>being slapped with the label).

>

>My brother was diagnosed schizophrenia years ago, took medication for a few

>years, weaned himself off; and does great.  Of course a major factor was

>realizing the people who were really nuts were those writing the prescriptions --

>once he got away from them he could begin healing.  He is a pleasure to be around

>now and is doing really well for himself.

>

>Cheryl



I have a very good friend who was diagnosed as Schizophrenic during

the 70's. He certainly had some problems, but the diagnosis may have

been a bit hasty. Still, it was as fashionable as crushed velvet

flairs at the time and dispensed for free on the NHS. 



Anyway, after several years and a psychotropic drug induced crisis, he

got better. Self administered Ergot derivatives may have played an

important part in this process, but I would hesitate to recommend this

as a course of treatment, if only because it's illegal.  



The important thing is that he got well, and if he was schizophrenic,

then it's possible to recover.



As far as diet is concerned, I've come across the theory that this

condition, and several others, can be caused or made much worse by the

gluten component of wheat and other related cereals. There is quite a

bit of info on the Web about this, some of it under the heading of

"Celiac (Coeliac?) disease.



I think it's important to repeat (as it was in another posting in this

thread) that coming off the prescribed medication at the wrong time

can cause a lot of pain and suffering, and not just to the central

character. Even so, it's sad to be condemned to a drug induced

half-life if there's a chance of recovery.  



In an advanced and benevolent society, it may be possible that there

are safe havens where people who suffer from such conditions can

attempt alternative strategies and re-adjustments in the safety of a

supportive environment. Dr RD Lang did something along these lines,

but I think he went out with the crushed velvet flairs. Not only that

but he died. Another tried and tested remedy for human woes (some

say).



HTH



Tony Halmarack

Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk



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In article <356ee094.15655032@news.demon.co.uk>,

  Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack) wrote:

>

 <much regretfully snipped for brevity's sake>



> I have a very good friend who was diagnosed as Schizophrenic during

> the 70's. He certainly had some problems, but the diagnosis may have

> been a bit hasty. Still, it was as fashionable as crushed velvet

> flairs at the time and dispensed for free on the NHS.



I think it's important for me to say at the outset that I'm only offering my

opinion, based on many years of observing one person, and listening to all

the family discussions.



I also think it's important to suggest that it is *currently* fashionable to

discount and minimize all diagnoses given by "established medicine", and to

think that herbal or dietary remedies alone can cure all ills.



>

> Anyway, after several years and a psychotropic drug induced crisis, he

> got better. Self administered Ergot derivatives may have played an

> important part in this process, but I would hesitate to recommend this

> as a course of treatment, if only because it's illegal.

>

> The important thing is that he got well, and if he was schizophrenic,

> then it's possible to recover.

>

> As far as diet is concerned, I've come across the theory that this

> condition, and several others, can be caused or made much worse by the

> gluten component of wheat and other related cereals. There is quite a

> bit of info on the Web about this, some of it under the heading of

> "Celiac (Coeliac?) disease.

>

> I think it's important to repeat (as it was in another posting in this

> thread) that coming off the prescribed medication at the wrong time

> can cause a lot of pain and suffering, and not just to the central

> character. Even so, it's sad to be condemned to a drug induced

> half-life if there's a chance of recovery.



For some, coming off the prescribed medication at *any* time can  mean	the

total loss of any concept of reality and any concept of interpersonal

relationship.



You see, the problem is that we (those of us replying to the original post)

have no way of knowing the seriousness of the individual's schizophrenia. If

it's mild, and s/he experiments with some of the suggestions given here, then

perhaps there will be small or no adverse consequences. There might even be

great improvement. On the other hand, there could be tremendously heavy

consequences from experimenting. I repeat--we don't know. These are things

the individual should discuss with a physician familiar with his/her

condition. Speaking for myself, I must allow neither the impersonality of

Usenet nor my own personal passion for herbal medicine to blind me to my

responsibility for the advice I give.



It is understandable that those who haven't seen severe cases of

schizophrenia might not see the need for extreme caution in offering

alternatives to synthetic drugs. I hope it is also understandable that those

who *have* seen extreme cases would urge such caution.



Regards,

Lois



>

> In an advanced and benevolent society, it may be possible that there

> are safe havens where people who suffer from such conditions can

> attempt alternative strategies and re-adjustments in the safety of a

> supportive environment. Dr RD Lang did something along these lines,

> but I think he went out with the crushed velvet flairs. Not only that

> but he died. Another tried and tested remedy for human woes (some

> say).

>

> HTH

>

> Tony Halmarack

> Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk









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In article <356ee094.15655032@news.demon.co.uk>, Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk 

(Tony Halmarack) wrote:



>The important thing is that he got well, and if he was schizophrenic,

>then it's possible to recover.



        It is well established that some people have had single episodes of 

schizophrenia and then no relapses.  This occurred long before the advent of 

meds and is one of the reasons behind occassional holidays. 





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>In article <6k260s$6l9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

>  walkers@eurekanet.com wrote:



>> If anyone has information regarding these or other

>> herbs and how well they treat schizophrenia I would

>> be interested.  If you don't have any evidence, either

>> personal or documented, of whether or not herbs work

>> for schizophrenia then please don't reply.



        I don't have any directly, but I do have the URL for a website that 

has information on Chinese Traditional Medicine.  I have no idea if there is 

anything on schizophrenia there, but it is searchable if you care to follow 

up.



http://www.dmu.ac.uk/ln/cmn





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On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:23:41 GMT, 

walkers@eurekanet.com  <walkers@eurekanet.com> wrote:



>I have found only two herbs on the internet that can

>be used for schizophrenia: scullcap and gotu kola.

>I am interested in going off of medication and trying

>these herbs but I have no documented information of

>how successful these herbs are.  I also read an article

>about Chinese herbs being used effectively for

>schizophrenia but it was complicated and there were

>lots of herbs involved and I don't know if any of them

>would work alone.

>

>If anyone has information regarding these or other

>herbs and how well they treat schizophrenia I would

>be interested.  If you don't have any evidence, either

>personal or documented, of whether or not herbs work

>for schizophrenia then please don't reply.



Hmmm. Has been awhile since I have searched for herbs for this,

but I wasn't able to turn up anything that could be backed.



As far as the diet treatment goes, depends on which theory to explain 

schizophrenia you buy into. If I recall rightly, I heard of atleast 

three distinct diet treatments. I don'trecall any actual study results 

but the theory behind the vitaminone I seem to recall sounded screwy.



Being unable to find any herbs that sounded good for it, I'll just 

suggest advoiding all CNS stimulants (even caffeine) and any herb that 

have MAOI effects like St John's Wort and Passion Flower (actually 

there's a list of herbs that have some degree of MAOI effect). If I 

recall rightly, scullcap and gotu kola aren't in that catagory, so 

should be safe to "try".



btw. Some doctors like to diagnose their patients with this disease 

for some irrational reason. Was actually a fad in the 70s and into the 

80s to diagnose people with it. (Some rightly, many wrongly.)



So, the best thing to do is to do alot of research into it.

(If you haven't already. )



Tim





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I am a strong supporter and user of herbs personally.   I also work

with clients with schizophrenia and teach nursing students about the

disease.  However, I would NEVER recommend using herbs to manage

schizophrenia.



The newest prescription drugs have performed miracles for many who

have schizophrenia.  I would want any person I worked with or loved to

have the full benefit of prescription schizophrenia drugs.



Furthermore, I have never heard about any herbs that come close to

managing the symptoms of this very disabling disease.  I'd consider it

unethical and even abusive to deny these clients these benefits.  



So, while I don't have the evidence you require in your note, I felt

compelled to respond.  Barbara



On Thu, 21 May 1998 21:23:41 GMT, walkers@eurekanet.com wrote:



>I have found only two herbs on the internet that can

>be used for schizophrenia: scullcap and gotu kola.

>I am interested in going off of medication and trying

>these herbs but I have no documented information of

>how successful these herbs are.  I also read an article

>about Chinese herbs being used effectively for

>schizophrenia but it was complicated and there were

>lots of herbs involved and I don't know if any of them

>would work alone.

>

>If anyone has information regarding these or other

>herbs and how well they treat schizophrenia I would

>be interested.  If you don't have any evidence, either

>personal or documented, of whether or not herbs work

>for schizophrenia then please don't reply.

>

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walkers@eurekanet.com wrote in message <6k260s$6l9$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...



>I am interested in going off of medication



It would be a good idea to talk to your psychiatrist about this - he or she

might be more receptive than you think.



The latest thinking on the duration of treatment of first episode

schizophrenia (from the Royal College of Psychiatry in the UK) is that it is

prudent to continue effective antipsychotic medication at minimal theraputic

dosage for six months, then slowly reduce it over the next six months, with

close clinical review.



Even if long term maintainance therapy is necessary there is a lot of scope

for reducing side effects with the use of newer atypical antipsychotic

drugs.



Most relapses are caused by non compliance with medication, and since

relapse can have disastrous consequences, coming off medication is not to be

taken lightly.



I am not aware that there is any evidence that herbal or dietary remedies

are effective in schizophrenia.



I would strongly advise you to consult your psychiatrist before taking any

decision on your medication.



References:



Travis, M.J. & Kerwin, R.W. (1997) Pharmacological treatment of the newly

diagnosed patient with schizophrenia. Advances in Psychiatric Treatment, 3,

331-338



Mortimer, A. (1997) Treatment of the patient with long-term schizophrenia.

Advances in Psychiatric Treatment, 3, 339-346





Dr Andrew Gray MRCPsych







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Subject: Kidney Stones

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My husband has always had kidney stones but we've kept them dissolved or

in check until a few years ago he decided he didn't need to drink his

daily cranberry juice anymore!



The past three weeks have been a living nightmare for him and by the

time he wanted to jump out the window I was ready to push him:):)



He even had the dubious distinction of depleting the hospitals supply of

morphine and was still lucid!



They blasted him with that lapro?  



X-rays, a week later show there is still a shadow.



What can he take, drink, ingest, smoke, or I could cram up or down him

:):) before the next x-ray in three weeks to dissolve this problem

completely?



Needless to say at this late date HE is open to any suggestions!



Thank you



jennifer



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From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

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There is a complete stones and crystals regimen on my web page in the

cleansing section at



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



I don't sell anything.



This is what _I_ would do and is the most effective 

treatment I have found.  These four

are the most important:



Water - distilled (and preferably ozonated in containers

filled oneself).  If this cannot be done, use a carbon

filter pitcher or other filtered water- drink 1/2 - 1 gallon per 

day.



Solaray Cal-Mag Citrate (take full dose (6) at night with B6).



Vitamin B6 (250mg) take one at night.



Planetary Formula's Stone Free (take recommended high dose)



Nature's Herbs Marshmallow Combination



One will likely have to call around herb shops to find

all these supplements, but a large health food store

might have them all.



During this regimen, I would eat plenty of fruit and vegetables

(for potassium) and -not- use soft drinks.  



This regimen will also help with pain immediately (24 hours

anyway).  This is the minimum regimen for which there

_may_ be a noticeable difference in Xray in three weeks,

but it will probably take 6 to get complete relief.  It 

will also clean the liver.  



If the Stone Free (or anything else) causes stomach upset 

(from the turmeric), chew a teaspoon of fennel seeds as desired.



turf





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sycamore@webtv.net wrote in message

<6k264k$2i7$1@newsd-124.bryant.webtv.net>...

My husband has always had kidney stones but we've kept them dissolved or

in check until a few years ago he decided he didn't need to drink his

daily cranberry juice anymore!



The past three weeks have been a living nightmare for him and by the

time he wanted to jump out the window I was ready to push him:):)



He even had the dubious distinction of depleting the hospitals supply of

morphine and was still lucid!



They blasted him with that lapro?



X-rays, a week later show there is still a shadow.



What can he take, drink, ingest, smoke, or I could cram up or down him

:):) before the next x-ray in three weeks to dissolve this problem

completely?



Needless to say at this late date HE is open to any suggestions!



Thank you



jennifer





Hi Jennifer,



My husband has had recurring kidney stones.   First thing you do is MAKE him

drink lots and lots and lots of WATER.   I am not talking about tea or

coffee or soda I mean WATER.   Preferably the kind that has been filtered by

reverse osmosis.   Great Bear produces a reverse osmosis water.  it has a

green label on it.   This will dissolve more solids.   If he drinks enough

water, he may be able to pass the stone naturally, especially if he has

already had the lithotripsy treatment, it may be partially dislodged

already, or partially broken up.   The huge amounts of water may do it.



Second thing you do is run, not walk, to your bookstore and get a book

called "No more Kidney Stones" which details a complete diet which  will

prevent them from forming in the first place.



Just a few hints,   Green leafy vegetables like spinach and parsley are NO

NO's

Tea with milk.... very bad.   Tea with lemon, better.   Chocolate, peanuts,

beet greens, are a few others.   These all form stones.



According to the urologist who wrote the book, he says the single most

important thing a man can do to prevent these stones from forming is to

drink enough water.



But then there are different kinds of stones, made of different kinds of

minerals, the book covers them all.



Good Luck.... tell his Dr. to get him some Toradol.  That was the stuff that

killed the pain best for my husband.



Regards,

Evelyn







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On Thu, 21 May 1998 16:25:40 -0500, sycamore@webtv.net wrote:



>My husband has always had kidney stones 



>The past three weeks have been a living nightmare for him 



>Needless to say at this late date HE is open to any suggestions!



From my files:



Newsgroup: alt.support.crohns-colitis

Subject: Re: Kidney stones control?

From: Ron Hoggan <hogganr@cadvision.com>

Date: Sat, 02 Nov 1996 03:18:16 GMT



The condition of some kidney stones is asserted to be the result of 

abnormal calcium deposition in the kidneys, in _Renal Physiology_

by Arthur Vander, McGraw-Hill, New York, 1975. On pages 127-128, it says:

"The increased plasma calcium is deposited in various body tissues 

including the kidneys, where stones are formed." Abnormal 

calcium metabolism is very common in celiac disease. 

Chronic production of kidney stones should be cause to consider being 

tested for celiac disease. 



Even if some drugs, such as Allopurinol, provide relief from the stones, 

they do not treat the underlying pathology. If occult celiac disease is 

at the root of the chronic production of kidney stones, which is a 

distinct possibility, a positive outcome is likely, as it is usually a very

treatable condition. For those with Crohn's or IBD, testing for 

antiendomysium antibodies might reveal associated celiac disease. 



Because of the genetic connections which have been demonstrated between 

celiac disease and Crohn's, the possibility of kidney stones in Crohn's 

seems likely. 



I hope that is helpful.

Best Wishes,



Ron Hoggan

http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/





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Kidney stones form when minerals that normally free float in the kidney =

fluids, combine into crystals. When there is an overload of inorganic =

waste and too little fluid, the molecules can't dissolve properly and =

form sharp edged stones. It takes from 5 to 15 hours of vigorous and =

urgent treatment to dissolve and pass small stones.

Common causes: Excess sugar, red meat, carbonated drinks, sugars and =

caffeine in the diet+ADs- diabetes+ADs- allergies+ADs- heavy metal =

poisoning+ADs- excess aluminum+ADs- essential fatty acids =

deficiency+ADs- overuse of prescription or pleasure drugs+ADs- B vitamin =

and magnesium deficiency+ADs- overuse of aspirin, salt and chemical =

diuretics.



Prevention through improved diet and exercise is the best medicine.

A short 3 day kidney cleanse to remove infection and help dissolve =

stones:

Each morning take 2 tablespoons cider vinegar or lemon juice in water. =

Take one each of the following juices daily: carrot/beet/cucumber, =

cranberry, potassium broth, and a green vegetable drink.

Take 2 cups watermelon seed tea daily.

Take aloe juice before bed.

Drink 8 glasses distilled water daily.

Take 2 tablespoons olive oil through a straw every 4 hours to help =

dissolve stones.

Then eat a very simple low salt, low protein, vegetarian diet with =

75+ACU- fresh foods for a week.

Avoid all refined, fried and fatty foods, and all cola drinks during =

healing. Avoid salts, sugars, and caffeine containing foods. Eliminate =

dairy products. Reduce all animal protein.



Herbal Therapy:

Hawthorn or bilberry extract.

Evening Primrose Oil--4 capsules daily

Kidney balancing herbs:

Parsley/cornsilk tea

St. John's Wort if incontinent



Kidney Detoxifiers:

Burdock root tea, echinacea extract 4 times daily, garlic/cayenne =

capsules 6-8 daily.

Dandelion extract



Kidney stones:

Drink a quart daily of any of these teas to help dissolve:

Chamomile, rosemary or rosehips, or dandelion/nettles



Kidney flushing teas:

Watercress, cleavers or couch grass

Uva ursi/juniper



Supplements:

Take a good multi-vitamin preferably from natural sources, with chelated =

minerals.

Vitamin C with bioflavonoids. Take every hour to bowel tolerance until =

stones pass.

B complex 100mg with extra B6 100mg and magnesium 400mg two times daily. =

Vitamin K 100mcg.



Kidney stones are extremely painful, but very preventable.

Take a daily brisk walk to keep kidney function flowing.

Avoid commercial antacids during healing. Avoid NSAID drugs. They have =

been implicated in kidney failure cases.

Avoid smoking and secondary smoke.

Apply moist heat packs, comfrey compresses, and/or alternating hot and =

cold compresses on the kidney area.

Apply white flower oil or tiger balm to the kidney area 2 to 3 times =

daily.

Apply compresses to kidney area, like hot ginger/oatstraw, =

cayenne/ginger, mullein/lobelia.



-- Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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Hello Jennifer,



Over the years I have been asked to treat clients, who were Christian

Scientists, with kidney stones.  As they refuse opperations etc, they

were looking for massage as a way o reliving the discomfort.  However

during my Aromatherapy Education I had been informed that Birch White

{Betula Alba}, was reputed to help with kidney stones.



Thus I used Birch Essential oil, to treat the client.  As it also

contains Methyl Salicylate, I could see it working as a good pain

killer.  However after six weeks the client reported that the stones

were totally gone.  



Then over the next ten years I have been asked to treat another 11

people with the same results, the stone gone in six to eight weeks.



However, Birch Essential oil, is a potent oil and can produce a dermal

toxic reaction.  Also as a potent oil there is a risk of overdosing

with it. 



All that said, it is possible to treat Kidney Stones with

Aromatherapy, and with this oil.  



The blend should be;

	Birch White {Betula Alba}		20 drops

	Lavandin {Lavandula Hybrida}		  5 drops

	Lavender {Lavendula Angustifolia}	  5 drops

	Diluted to 30ml in carrier oil.  

While any will do, I would recomend Macadamia nut oil or Jojoba oil.



This blend is massaged on the upper and lower back, flanks, buttocks,

abdomen, and upper legs, once a day.  However YOU must STOP if any

rash shows.   It will take, in my experience, up to eight weeks to

fully remove the kidney stones.



I hope this helps 

On Thu, 21 May 1998 16:25:40 -0500, sycamore@webtv.net wrote:



>My husband has always had kidney stones but we've kept them dissolved or

>in check until a few years ago he decided he didn't need to drink his

>daily cranberry juice anymore!

>

>The past three weeks have been a living nightmare for him and by the

>time he wanted to jump out the window I was ready to push him:):)

>

>He even had the dubious distinction of depleting the hospitals supply of

>morphine and was still lucid!

>

>They blasted him with that lapro?  

>

>X-rays, a week later show there is still a shadow.

>

>What can he take, drink, ingest, smoke, or I could cram up or down him

>:):) before the next x-ray in three weeks to dissolve this problem

>completely?

>

>Needless to say at this late date HE is open to any suggestions!

>

>Thank you

>

>jennifer





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From: A R Ogden <arog@gte.net>

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jennifer,



I recite what the MD told me after they'd taken me out of the ER. That

was after

they had concluded that it was a Kidney Bowling Ball:



	Drink BEER. 



	Lots of BEER.



	Learn to Like BEER. 



That he was able to even Think Of jumping out the window says that

as bad as the pain is... it Can Be Far Far Worse. I had problems

getting enough focus to think of the telephone, then to remember why

I had it next to me, then why I had the handset in hand... and lastly

to dial 911. 



... also check to make sure that all of his pants can be let out

    a couple of sizes. 



Alan Ogden

arog@bix.com



.........................................



sycamore@webtv.net wrote:

> 

> My husband has always had kidney stones but we've kept them dissolved or

> in check until a few years ago he decided he didn't need to drink his

> daily cranberry juice anymore!

> 

> The past three weeks have been a living nightmare for him and by the

> time he wanted to jump out the window I was ready to push him:):)

> 

> He even had the dubious distinction of depleting the hospitals supply of

> morphine and was still lucid!

> 

> They blasted him with that lapro?

> 

> X-rays, a week later show there is still a shadow.

> 

> What can he take, drink, ingest, smoke, or I could cram up or down him

> :):) before the next x-ray in three weeks to dissolve this problem

> completely?

> 

> Needless to say at this late date HE is open to any suggestions!

> 

> Thank you

> 

> jennifer



From mshypno@my-dejanews.com Fri May 22 00:31:55 1998

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Subject: Benzoin Powder

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Hi.  I learned on my aromatherapy wheel that Benzoin was supposed to be good

for itching.  So I bought some in powder form (very coarse).  Does anybody

out there know how I am supposed to ingest/use this powder?  I couldn't find

any info on the net.  Thanks, Stephanie



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From rjlee@earthling.net Fri May 22 06:23:10 1998

From: rjlee@earthling.net

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Subject: herbal MS treatment

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Can anyone point me toward herbs for people with MS?

Robert J. Lee

rjlee@earthling.net

http://www.prostar.com/web/rjlee/drama.htm



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From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

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Here is a protocol I have for MS:

MS is a progressive, central nervous system disease thought to be =

triggered by an auto-immune reaction to allergens or the HTLV-1 virus. =

Initial onset  usually occurs between ages 30 and 45. More women than =

men seem to be affected.  The disease itself results from damage to the =

sheaths of nerve cells in the brain and spinal cord and has been =

incurable because the immune system fights against itself. MS must be =

treated vigorously. A little therapy does not work, but long lasting =

remission and cure are possible if you catch it in time. Natural =

therapies take 6 months to a year. Strong immune defense is essential.



Common Causes:

Too many refined carbohydrates and saturated fats, causing poor food =

assimilation and toxemia from constipation and poor bowel health; lead =

or heavy metal poisoning; hypoglycemia; Vitamin B-6, B-12, and B-1 =

deficiency; food allergies triggering auto-immune reaction; Candida =

albicans overgrowth; gland imbalance.



Malnutrition and stress often precede MS.

Follow a cleansing diet for 2 months, similar to a diet for Candida =

albicans. Then, follow a modified macrobiotic diet for 3 to 6 months.

The diet should be 70 to 80% fresh foods, with plenty of salads and =

green drinks; 15-20% fresh fruits; and 5-10% vegetable proteins from =

sprouts, legumes and seeds. Eat a bowl of brown rice every day for B =

vitamins. Eat fish at least 3 times a week.

Take a potassium broth twice a week.



Vitamin C with bioflavonoids to rebuild nerve and tissues.

Avoid all refined foods and fried foods, sugars, full-fat dairy foods, =

and caffeine containing foods. Eliminate meats except fish.

Reduce starchy and high gluten foods. Eliminate pectin containing =

candies.

Try a Wild Yam Cream with DHEA. Reports on it says it can help.

Ginkgo Biloba for tremor control.

Essential fatty acids are a key--try Evening Primrose Oil caps 4 to 6 =

daily.

Calming, relaxing herbs also seem to help nerves. Skullcap, passion =

flower, catnip, valerian are a few.

Also look into anti-inflammatory herbs.

Take a good multi-vitamin-preferably made from natural sources.

Take a good anti-oxidant formula.

Also look into some minerals--preferably chelated.



Overheating therapy can be effective for MS.

Sunlight and Vitamin D influences the remission of MS. There are far =

less incidences of this disease in sun-belt regions.

Avoid emotional stress, poor diet and excessive fatigue. These trigger =

the onset of MS attacks.

Avoid smoking and secondary smoke. You need all the oxygen you can =

retain.

Get mild daily exercise.

Look into chiropractic care, massage therapy, mineral baths and =

reflexology. Any knowledge you can gain will be beneficial to you, then =

you will be able to make your decisions concerning your health care.



Hope this helps you out some. Good luck.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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From: "Alchemy" <huggers@es.co.nz>

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Subject: Bases for Salves etc?

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Anyone with a brilliant recipe please?

Can anyone give me the proportions for mixing very HARD cocoa butter..I

assume one uses oil to mix?

Thanks!







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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Subject: Re: Bases for Salves etc?

Date: 22 May 1998 18:09:00 -0700

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"Alchemy" <huggers@es.co.nz> wrote:



>Anyone with a brilliant recipe please?

>Can anyone give me the proportions for mixing very HARD cocoa butter..I

>assume one uses oil to mix?

  Use a food-grade vegetable oil like canola or safflower (NOT

SOYBEAN OIL - it sevelops a "fishy" smell quickly).



  You have to sneak up on the right amount, because you can't get

the oil out if you put in too much.  Keep track of how much you

used, so you can repeat it without as much work.



  Melt the cocoa butter over a pan of HOT water (not over direct

heat - use a double boiler and do this OFF the stove)) and add

about 1/10 the amount of vegetable oil (i.e. if you have a cup of

cocoa butter, add about a tablespoon of oil).

  Stir well to blend, then take a spoon-sized sample of it and

drop it onto a cool surface ... check the consistency of it when

it's cooled.  If it's too hard, return it to the saucepan to

melt, and add a bit more oil.  Repeat this until you have the

consistency you want - it's better to be a bit on the stiff side

because the friction of rubbing in the salve will soften it.



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I am new to learning about the use of herbs but i heard Cinnamon and

Licorice are good aphrodisiacs.....is this true and can anyone name some

other good ones i can use in different foods.....

April







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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Subject: Re: herbal aphrodisiacs

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April <owlsnest@bellatlantic.net> wrote:



>I am new to learning about the use of herbs but i heard Cinnamon and

>Licorice are good aphrodisiacs.....is this true and can anyone name some

>other good ones i can use in different foods.....

>April

>

Chocolate!  Vanilla!  (and a bottle of really good Chardonnay)

And some study showed that "pumpkin pie" smell was rated as very

sexy by most of the men in the study.



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>Some

>companies on the web sell a lavender and allspice candle (lavender turns

>both men and women on ) it acts like the drug viagra with out the side

>effects .



There is no scent(s) that works like the drug Viagra. Aromatherapy is

practically useless anyway. If you want an alternative to Viagra, then

L-Arginine is the only substance known that works similarly. On the other hand,

if your just wanting to increase desire, then try Ginseng, Damiana, or Avena

Sative(oats).



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Subject: Re: herbal aphrodisiacs

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In article <1998052503530400.XAA08679@ladder01.news.aol.com>, mani5@aol.com

(Mani5) wrote:



>>Some

>>companies on the web sell a lavender and allspice candle (lavender turns

>>both men and women on ) it acts like the drug viagra with out the side

>>effects .

>

>There is no scent(s) that works like the drug Viagra. Aromatherapy is

>practically useless anyway. If you want an alternative to Viagra, then

>L-Arginine is the only substance known that works similarly. On the other

hand,

>if your just wanting to increase desire, then try Ginseng, Damiana, or

Avena

>Sative(oats).



OH NO!! you forgot to mention yohimbe bark (which, incidentally, should be

blended with 1 cap of vitamin c or its effects are not worth experiencing!)



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>OH NO!! you forgot to mention yohimbe bark (which, incidentally, should be

>blended with 1 cap of vitamin c or its effects are not worth experiencing!)

></PRE></HTML>



I think the side effects from Yohimbe make it a questionable herb to use for

enhancing one's sex life. Yohimbe did nothing but make me nervous and dizzy. I

took it for psychological ED and though it worked for a short time, until I

realised it was only having a placebo effect, the side effects really sucked.

There are alot of reputed herbal sex enhancers available, and I would suggest

trying the ones that have the fewest side effects first. 



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Subject: MS, MD, oils

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I have a freind who takes care of a patient with MS, MD, paralysis, and

resulting breathing problems. She is not allowed to give him anything

orally, but she does message him and was wondering if there are any

essentail oils that she could use to perhaps improve his

Neuromusculature impulses and also open up his bronchi so that he is

more comfortable. I know this is asking alot..but I thought that perhaps

someone might have a few suggestions?



thanks again for all of your help : )



*Sam



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Can anyone recommend a treatment for hives?  My father-in-law *really*

suffers with them (didn't start till he was in his 60s), and I'd like

to offer him some natural options for treating them.  Thanks!



ac

medsdriven@iname.com



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In article <35659d5e.1100715783@news1.alterdial.uu.net>,

  medsdriven@iname.com wrote:

>

> Can anyone recommend a treatment for hives?  My father-in-law *really*

> suffers with them (didn't start till he was in his 60s), and I'd like

> to offer him some natural options for treating them.  Thanks!

>

> ac

> medsdriven@iname.com

>

For topical pain relief try a capsicum gel or a pau d'arco lotion.  Colloidal

silver has also been known to give relief.



If the hives are caused by an allergic reaction, your father-in-law may be

helped by feverfew, a natural antihistamine.



For unexplained itching, consider pantothenic acid together with large amounts

of vitamin C and herbal calcium.



The key is to find the reason for the hives such as allergic reaction,

infection or nervous condition.  Since allergies are often a result of toxins

in the intestines, a bowel cleansing may be the answer.



J. Candy Arnold, Author

Books & Products on Natural Health

http://www.naturelink.net





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From Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk Fri May 22 20:08:09 1998

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From: Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

Newsgroups: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: Is there still a frequent FAQ?

Date: Fri, 22 May 1998 17:08:09 GMT

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I lost my copies when changing computer systems recently. Do they

still get posted to the NG on a regular basis?



Best wishes,



Tony Halmarack

Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk



From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Fri May 22 10:28:37 1998

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From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

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On Fri, 22 May 1998 17:08:09 GMT, Tony@halmarax.demon.co.uk (Tony Halmarack)

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I lost my copies when changing computer systems recently. Do they

>still get posted to the NG on a regular basis?



Yes. Somebody just did. I asked their postmaster about it - hopefully this

severe breach of netiquette (posting -my- faqs under my name -without- my

permission, and more importantly, without any of my updates) leads to some

severe account yanking.



Henriette, faq keeper, medicinal and culinary herbfaqs.



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



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From: Mark Gold <mgold@tiac.net>

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Subject: FDA Orders Destruction of 2,500 Stevia Books

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         FDA Orders Destruction of Stevia Books



On May 20, 1998, the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) 

ordered the destuction of 2,500 books about the herbal sweetener 

stevia. A small company in Arlington Texas, Stevita, Co., was 

visited by the FDA and forced to stop selling stevia and books 

that mention that stevia can be used as a sweetener.



The Stevia Story by Linda & Bill Bonvie and Donna Gates was 

amongst the popular stevia books which came under FDA attack. 

According to the FDA order, "The presence of these publications 

renders stevia adulterated and unsafe for public consumption."

Some have now questioned whether the FDA is now promoting "book 

burning" as a way to attack herbal products.



Stevia is widely-used as a no-calorie herbal sweetener -- a replacement

for sugar and for the more toxic artificial sweeteners such as Monsanto's

aspartame/neotame (NutraSweet). Stevia has been used for centuries without

adverse reactions and it is said to be particularly helpful for diabetics.

Extensive independent laboratory studies have shown no danger from stevia

use. 



The use of stevia as a sweetener is common in Japan, Korea, 

and South America.  Because people are getting off of artificial 

sweeteners, stevia's popularity is growing rapidly in the United 

States. However, the FDA continues to try prevent stevia from being

used as a sweetener with actions that many assume are intended to 

protect Monsanto, the manufacturer of aspartame/neotame.



Stevia Resources

----------------

There are many companies selling high-quality stevia products. 

A listing of a selection of those vendors can be found on the 

"Healthier Sweetener Resource List" at:



         http://www.holisticmed.com/sweet/



The above-mentioned web page includes detailed scientific and general 

information about stevia.



Information about the book, The Stevia Story can be found at:



    http://members.bellatlantic.net/~boncom/steviastory.htm



The Stevita Co. web page can be found at:



        http://www.fastlane.net/~petro/stevia.htm



Information about the toxicity of aspartame (NutraSweet), sucralose 

and acesulfame-k can be found on the Aspartame (NutraSweet) Toxicity 

Information Center web page at:



         http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/



----------------



Please share this news article with other newsgroups and mailing lists. 

So, that the FDA can be certain that you do not suffer from improved

health or are exposed to any undue psychological influences, please print

out this article, burn it, and send the ashes to the Dr. Michael Friedman,

Acting FDA Commissioner, Book Burning Division, US Food & Drug

Administration, 5600 Fishers Lane, Rockville, MD 20857. :-)



                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

                    http://www.HolisticMed.com/





From pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net Fri May 22 23:00:13 1998

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From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

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Here we go with the furor about standardized extracts again.



Look, when you make tea from an herb, you are making an extract.  When you

make a tincture from an herb, you are making an extract.  When you run fresh

herbs through a juicer, or soak them in wine then drink the wine, you are

making an extract.  Every time you use an herb without chewing up and

swallowing the whole thing you are using an extract - even if you chew it up

and spit out the pulp, you are consuming a saliva extract!



All standardization does is guarantee (quantify) the amount of a certain

known active constituent or group of constituents in an herb or herb

extract.  That's all.  Standardization is NOT the same as purification or

isolation of one or two compounds from an herb.  The easiest and by far the

cheapest method of standardizing an extract is to add more solvent (water,

alcohol) to weaken it, or to use less solvent in the extraction process (or

evaporate some of the solvent) to strengthen it.  In other words,

controlling the ratio of solvent to herb is by far the most common and

inexpensive method used; not going through all the steps of isolation and

purification of a single compound and then adding it back.



In reference to the crude herbs, well, standardizing powders to be used in

capsules isn't too complicated - you either mix batches with known content

to get the concentration you want, or you add back *concentrates* (NOT

*isolates*) of the herb.  With whole herbs I suspect the process is much

more difficult, since you want to provide a uniform product without so much

mixing that it turns to powder.  I don't believe standardization of whole

herbs is that common anyhow - I mean, not too many people carefully weigh

out the herbs before they make simple infusions or decoctions, do they (yes,

I know SOME of you do, so do I).  The "problem" there is that there is so

much natural variability even within the herb itself (top leaves vs. bottom

leaves, main roots vs. rootlets, etc.) that any potentially really toxic

herbs should probably ONLY be used in the form of standardized powders or

tinctures.  I personally believe that includes any potential MOA inhibitors,

since these can be deadly to the unprepared.  Beyond that, any herb that

must be taken continuously over time to have an effect - like feverfew, or

SJW - should be standardized to make sure one does not either overdose or

obtain no effect.



Just my opinion.



-Rich









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"Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:



>In reference to the crude herbs, well, standardizing powders to be used in

>capsules isn't too complicated - you either mix batches with known content

>to get the concentration you want, or you add back *concentrates* (NOT

>*isolates*) of the herb.

  I have seen several brands of SJW that clearly indicate that

they have hypericin added to make a .3% dose (or whatever the

magic level is). Not a concentrate of SJW, but hypericin.  Which

may mean that they started with some really low quality weed and

artificially boosted it from 0%.





> With whole herbs I suspect the process is much

>more difficult, since you want to provide a uniform product without so much

>mixing that it turns to powder.

  You would have to assay the batches, then blend them to get the

right strength.  Run them thru the dryer on "fluff" perhaps.



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From: NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net (A.Stephen Fraser)

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On Wed, 20 May 1998 16:28:08 GMT, ccjgs@cse.bris.ac.uk (J. G. Simpson)

wrote:



>Try Hambleden Herbs 01823-401205

>

>Formulation listed as coming in two cellophane bags, organic

>sources, full instructions for preparation and use included.

>

>1998 listed price 1/2 Kilo 13.50   1 Kilo 25.50 + usual VAT

>and carriage.

>

>They mention the ESSIAC information pool based in Dublin

>on  00-353-1864-1541 you may have to fiddle the international

>part of the code if dialling from outside the UK.

>

>I've found their herbs to be of good quality.

>: 

>: Hi, I'm posting for someone else who lives in UK.  While Essiac (and =

>: Floressence) can be purchased in the US, I do not know if it is =

>: available in stores in the UK.  Any suggestions?



My honest recommendation on this would be to get the other herbs from

a reputable supplier, but as for the sheep sorrel, pick it yourself.

It's incredibly abundant in Yorkshire and Lancashire - my mother and

father used to pick and eat it as children.  (They called it vinegar

plant, but it is also known as dog-eared sorrel in England.)



A bushel basket of it fresh equals a paper bag of it dry.  And it's

creator, Rene Caisse said the stuff should _never_ touch anything

plastic, whether it be cellophane or anything else.







CYA!



Krista Fraser,

Email: frasers@surenet.net





From beruberu@NOSPAMwebshuttle.ch Sat May 23 12:43:11 1998

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From: beruberu@NOSPAMwebshuttle.ch (HAAKE Philippe)

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Hello to all of you,

I would like to know if someone could give me some info about

"The Protocol Journal of Botanical Medicine"....

Is this journal still printed, or do you have any info about it...

Do you have any other idea where I could post this message???

Thanks to answer me via e-mail, I'm not very often on newsgroup....

Thanks for all.....

Best Greetings From SWITZERLAND

Phil

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On Sat, 23 May 1998 09:43:11 GMT, beruberu@NOSPAMwebshuttle.ch (HAAKE Philippe)

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Hello to all of you,

>I would like to know if someone could give me some info about

>"The Protocol Journal of Botanical Medicine"....



Every issue is a thick volume (about 250 pages each) with a couple of diseases

as diagnosed by the western allopathic model, and a couple of protocols as

translated into other paradigms, eg. TCM. If that's not what you're looking for

then save your money - it is one of the more expensive herbal journals around. 



>Is this journal still printed, or do you have any info about it...



   * The Protocol Journal of Botanical Medicine

     Herbal Research Publications, Inc., P.O. Box 721, Ayer, MA 01432.

     Phone:(800) 466 5422. fax:(800) 717-1722.

     USD 96/yr professional, USD 120/yr international. On the web at

     http://www.herbalresearch.com/



Henriette



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From timothyt@bright.net Sat May 23 14:44:23 1998

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From: "Timothy Timbrook" <timothyt@bright.net>

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On Fri, 22 May 1998 21:07:58 GMT, 

mwong@cybernautics.com  <mwong@cybernautics.com> wrote:



>In article <54398.timothyt@bright.net>,

>  "Timothy Timbrook" <timothyt@bright.net> wrote:

>>

...

>

>what is 5-htp?  Is that an abbreviation for something?  Is it an herb?

>

>> Want a serotonin boost? Try 5-HTP (a potent form of tryptophan).



Well, this line should be the first clue. FDA still has a ban on 

OTC tryptophan. Some manufacturers have found a way around the ban.

The ban is focused on "synthetic" tryptophan, so someone (I don't

know who was the first to do this) found a natural source of it.



5-HTP stands for: 5-Hydroxy Tryptophan



All the 5-HTP I've seen so far is extracted from Griphonia Seeds 

(beans?). From what I've scratched up this plant is native to the

African tropics(?). I even looked around to see if anyone sold the

seeds to grow. Unfortunately, the last I looked, I could only find

the bean sold raw in Africa (and bulk only). I would have liked to

have "tried" growing it for my personal use.



The down side of getting tryptophan this way is it costs alot more than

the former synthetic form that was sold in the US. The upside is I've

read that 5-HTP is potentially 10 times more potent than L-tryptophan.

(I don't get get all worked up about the synthetic vs. the natural

 issue like many others. Just as long as it works.)



Some manufacturers go as far as saying right on the bottle that it

boosts Serotonin levels. (heh. I'm surprised FDA doesn't have a fit

over that too. FDA seems too zealous at times bashing claims, good

or bad.)



I never tried OTC L-tryptophan so I don't know good it was, but I do

take (&like) 5-HTP. Just wish it didn't cost so much. ;)





From hero.uk@mcmail.com Mon May 25 12:35:17 1998

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From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

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> I never tried OTC L-tryptophan so I don't know good it was, but I do

> take (&like) 5-HTP. Just wish it didn't cost so much. ;)





Hi Tim,



5-HTP went ballistic last year and was up to around USD2000/kg at the

end of 97 due to the previous poor crop of the griphonia seeds.  Last

offer I got (about 10 days ago) the price had dropped to about USD800/kg

due to better availability of the seeds.



These price fluctuations obviously don't happen on the retail side with

quite the speed but in general, if the price is on the slide it should

work its way through to the consumer eventually.





Nick



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On Mon, 25 May 1998 10:35:17 +0100, 

Nick   <hero.uk@mcmail.com> wrote:



>5-HTP went ballistic last year and was up to around USD2000/kg at the

>end of 97 due to the previous poor crop of the griphonia seeds.  Last

>offer I got (about 10 days ago) the price had dropped to about USD800/kg

>due to better availability of the seeds.

>

>These price fluctuations obviously don't happen on the retail side with

>quite the speed but in general, if the price is on the slide it should

>work its way through to the consumer eventually.



*nod* 

Retailers have inventories they have to sell off before they'd lower 

prices. I just hope they don't get too greedy and increase the profit 

margin on the their product as the cheaper griphonia seeds continue to 

come in. I can only hope the prices on griphonia seeds stay low&stable 

long enough to see retail prices come down. 



Maybe I'm just new to 5-HTP, but it seems to be catching on and 

becoming more popular. Who knows? Maybe it'll be as popular as St. 

John's Wort next year. *smile* It just needs the publicity like SJW 

got on TV. There are already studies out showing tryptophan to be 

atleast as effective as precription anti-depressants with far less 

potential side-effects.



Tim





From andolin@worldnet.att.net Sun May 24 03:00:03 1998

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From: Andolin <andolin@worldnet.att.net>

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Subject: lower back pain relief

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Was in an auto accident about one year ago, have severve pain in lower

back.  Drs say have a compression in my spine. Anybody know of any non

medicanal remidies that might work?



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jcandy@naturelink.net wrote:

: In article <6k7no2$ks3@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,

:   Andolin <andolin@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

: >

: > Was in an auto accident about one year ago, have severve pain in lower

: > back.  Drs say have a compression in my spine. Anybody know of any non

: > medicanal remidies that might work?



: The Chinese believe that the urinary and structural systems are one system.

: In traditional Chinese herbology, natural diuretics such as hydrangea might

: also be considered.



The bladder meridian is closely associated with back troubles (it runs down

the back, along the muscle band lateral to the spin, and down the back of

the legs), while the kidney meridian is associated with more structural

problems.  However, the liver meridian "rules" the muscles.   Both can be

employed to provide some relief.  There are points at the back of the knees

which help with low back pain, largely by assisting to remove any ch'i

stagnation in the bladder line.  This can help with inflamed conditions.



Also, arnica is effective.  Herb Pharms makes an Arnica compound oil which

can be massaged into the affected area to reduce swelling, and provide some

pain relief.  If there is disc or tendon problem, gentle massage may be

beneficial.  Gentle exercise which helps the flow of cerebro-spinal fluid in

the low back, such as tai ch'i will aid the body in healing.  Some forms of

yoga may be helpful, but only under supervision of a qualified instructor,

as some postures may actually exacerbate the condition.



If you can locate a good acupressure practitioner in your area, it can

really help to regulate the systems and encourage healing and rebalancing.



Regards,

Gregory



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I experienced a low back injury four years ago.  I did require surgery to

relieve nerve pressure that was interfering with bladder function.  After

surgery I was able to stop using pain meds through acupuncture, massage

therapy, and some herbal remedies prescribed by my acupuncturist.  I cannot

read Chinese,so cannot tell exactly what is in them.  More recently, I read

a study done in England where they found that St. John's Wort relieved

sciatica after taking it for about 8 weeks.  I can attest to this...I have

been taking it for about three months and the sciatica has improved.  Also,

I am taking t'ai chi for about a month...and I find I can move about easier

and without the pain that I experienced prior. 

Good luck

Ann F.







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Before you let them cut, try a chiropractor.   Worked for me.   





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Oh, God, NO!

Please, do not let anyone, professional or otherwise, start twisting

your spine. The spine is very delicate and needs to be treated as such.

There are other things I would try before surgery and I would try

EVERYthing before a chiropractor. Try things like stretching and

relaxation. Two that have worked very well for me are tai-chi and yoga.



Logerman wrote:

> 

> Before you let them cut, try a chiropractor.   Worked for me.



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Sorry, I forgot to add... I don't mean to be harsh and I'm sure that

chiropractics can be useful for some, but it still dangerous to have

some one "manipulate" your spine. Neither yoga nor tai chi have ever

resulted in a death (at least not during the practice. because tai chi

is a martial art it has lead to deaths via self defense) <g>



Logerman wrote:

> 

> Before you let them cut, try a chiropractor.   Worked for me.



From VampyreHunter@MailAndNews.com Sun May 24 03:43:51 1998

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From: VampyreHunter@MailAndNews.com (Vampyre Hunter)

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I'm a beginner and I've picked peppermint, spearmint, oregano and parsley

as my trial run plants.  I'm hoping that someone could give me some good

advice on these plants.  Such as do they spread out or get really tall. 

Or any other information.  It would be much appreciated.



Thanks in advance

Jaxy



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>I'm a beginner and I've picked peppermint, spearmint, oregano and parsley

>as my trial run plants.  I'm hoping that someone could give me some good

>advice on these plants.  Such as do they spread out or get really tall. 

>Or any other information.  It would be much appreciated.



You've picked good plants for a started garden.  The mints you should keep in

containers unless you have a  good sized spot in the yard that you don't mind

them running wild in.  They do tend to take over!  It can get to about a foot

to two feet tall.



The oregano is also a spreader but it doesn't spread quite as fast as the mint

does.  That will get about six inches to a foot tall.



All are sun lovers so put them in a nice sunny spot outside.

Happy Growing!





Beth

The Truth is Out There



From please.dont@spam.me.man Sun May 24 03:58:54 1998

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From: please.dont@spam.me.man (Josh Randall)

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Anyone got any herbal recommendations for -- well, against, actually --

hemmorhoids?



From HeK@hetta.pp.fi Sat May 23 19:04:33 1998

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On Sat, 23 May 1998 19:58:54 -0500, please.dont@spam.me.man (Josh Randall) wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Anyone got any herbal recommendations for -- well, against, actually --

>hemmorhoids?



There's two kinds. If you have one kind and take a remedy for the other your

hemmies will get worse.

So, do you exercise, a lot? That gives you the hemorrhoids of too tight a muscle

coat on the colon. 

Or do you basically just sit around and stuff yourself, mainly with junk food?

That gives you the hemorrhoids of too slack mucous membranes of the colon.



For a) your best course of action might be relaxing herbs. 

For b) your best course of action might be astringents, exercise, and diet

changes. B) also benefits from liver herbs before each meal, as that will set up

your digestion properly, and that will feed the intestinal mucosa, and that will

set things right otherwise too. 



Actually you just might want to go see a practitioner.



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



From jamie@bozo.local.net Sun May 24 04:58:12 1998

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Josh Randall <please.dont@spam.me.man> wrote:

>Anyone got any herbal recommendations for -- well, against, actually --

>hemmorhoids?



Compresses of *German* chamomile tea (Matricaria chamomilla), or a sitz

bath in it, is supposed to help relieve inflammation of hemorrhoids.  I

believe witch hazel is supposed to relieve inflammation of hemorrhoids

also.  Whether either works any better than commercial preparations, I

couldn't say, as I fortunately have never had them. (yet)



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."



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Detoxification therapy is worth looking into. Use a fasting detox =

program. Hemorrhoids are usually caused by congestive =

disorder---constipation, liver problems, etc.



Use a whole foods diet with emphasis on high-fiber foods, citrus drinks, =

and drinking plenty of liquids. Especially good are whole grains such as =

buckwheat and millet. One tablespoon of cold processed vegetable oil a =

day, on food or taken alone.



For bleeding hemorrhoids--eat foods rich in Vitamin K-alfalfa, kale, and =

dark green leafy vegetables.

Combine tinctures of collinsonia, cranesbill, and gingko in equal parts =

and take one teaspoonful of this mixture three times a day.=20



Topical application: Mix 10 ml. of collinsonia tincture with 80 ml. of =

distilled witch hazel and apply after every BM as needed. Try Epsom salt =

packs. Apply witch hazel frequently to hemorrhoids to shrink blood =

vessels. Calendula ointment for pain and itching. Use a peeled garlic =

clove as a suppository for hemorrhoids.Salves may also be used =

containing any of the possible herbs, such as St. John's Wort, =

calendula, aloe, or plantain.



Juice therapy: Carrot, parsley. Carrot, spinach, parsley, celery. =

Carrot, watercress. Beets--if they don't speed up the gastrointestinal =

tract.





-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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Here is a formula from a book I picked up recently.  Add one ounce each of

Ladies Mantle Herb, Shepherds Purse and Cranesbill Herb to 2 quarts of

water.  Simmer until reduced to three pints.  Strain and take 3

tablespoonfuls, 3 times a day.  The book also says that Yarrow is good for

hemorrhoids.



The book is a real jewel.  It is available for only $12, by contacting

Bob Santee at

http://www.budget.net/~sharbob/vita1.htm or

sharbob@budget.net

  -

Marie (using my husband's addy)

For a FREE motivational book on how to take control of

your future, go to

http://members.tripod.com/~POWER_TO/webpage.htm

and give the number PP100-001-206



Josh Randall wrote in message ...

>Anyone got any herbal recommendations for -- well, against, actually --

>hemmorhoids?







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I seem to be constantly burping. It's been going on 

for a long time now. about six weeks. could anyone give their opinion

on this? 

thanks in advance.



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Hi!

Have you spoken to a doctor yet?  This could be a symptom of esophageal

reflux disease, gallbladder disease, hiatal hernia, and other things that

nothing to be flip about.  Of course, it could be something very simple like

you drink a lot of carbonated beverages, too.  Best to have it checked out,

especially if its enough for you to worry about.



Andrea

PA Student



Remember to take what students say with a grain of salt, especially over the

internet.  Always consult a physician, in person, if you have serious

concerns.











From winglee@netcom.ca Mon May 25 07:35:39 1998

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William wrote:

> 

> I seem to be constantly burping. It's been going on

> for a long time now. about six weeks. could anyone give their opinion

> on this?

> thanks in advance.



I was diagnosed with Gastroesophageal reflux diease last September.The

only symptoms I had was the constant burping for about 6-8 mos.That

burping eventually turned into major belching which aggravated my

asthma.I'm now on Axid daily and no more stomach problems.



Roseanne



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Change in diet? Using a straw? Herniated gastroesophageal/cardiac tissue

(Hiatus)? Pancreatic enzymes "clogged up"?  ...Could be a lot of things

thes are a little more common.

RV/RN,C CRRN



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I have also had this problem and it is related to an imflammation of the

stomach lining or intestines. (gastritis) Mine stems from gall bladder

surgery and the fact that the bile is "eating up" my stomach lining. An

ulcer/imflammation is usually the culprit. I have had the following

suggestions: drink 2 oz. beer, get liquid phazyme or something with

simethicone in it, go on a bland diet to allow the affected areas to heal.

Obviously, avoid carbonated drinks and "gassy foods" and all spices. My

situation is finally improving with the addition of "Questran" which is a

powder that "soaks up" excess bile and acid. Good luck!!







From cthorpe@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu Fri May 29 00:37:29 1998

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On Thu, 28 May 1998, Natalie wrote:



> I have also had this problem and it is related to an imflammation of the

> stomach lining or intestines. (gastritis) Mine stems from gall bladder

> surgery and the fact that the bile is "eating up" my stomach lining. An

> ulcer/imflammation is usually the culprit. I have had the following

> suggestions: drink 2 oz. beer, get liquid phazyme or something with

> simethicone in it, go on a bland diet to allow the affected areas to heal.

> Obviously, avoid carbonated drinks and "gassy foods" and all spices. My

> situation is finally improving with the addition of "Questran" which is a

> powder that "soaks up" excess bile and acid. Good luck!!

> 

> 

> 

> 

I had my gall bladder removed almost 25 years ago...I have found that the 

best way for me to avoid not only excess gas, but almost all stomach 

distress is to eat something every 2-3 hours...except at night, when I 

sleep.  A few crackers, a hand full of nuts, toast...they call it 

grazing. 



I can drink carbonated drinks and eat just about anything (of course the 

spicy and fatty things require more time now that the gb isn't there to 

help in time of crisis ;)...sometimes that can be a good thing...if I 

have an English Breakfast I can go most of the day without eating again!!



My 2p

Cissy



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Why is the bile salt's "eating up your lining" did you have a stent

placed and are you "protecting" the mucosal epithelium with Beer? 

Could Carafate susp. be an adjunctive TX.? 



Curious,

Thanks RV



From mmcavoy@escape.ca Sun May 24 09:02:30 1998

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From: mmcavoy@escape.ca (Michelle)

Subject: Another Bojenmi Tea Inquiry....

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Someone in here had recently informed me as to the ingredients in Bojenmi 

Chinese Tea...  I believe they were the following:



- Oolong tea 

- Crataegus fruit 

- Poria fungus 

- Phaseolus seeds

- Pogostemon herb 

- Hordeum sprout

- Citrus peel

- Fermented leaven

- Cassia seeds

- Pharbitis seeds

- Alisma rhizome

- Raphanus seeds

- Prunella fruit



I was wondering if someone could tell me what some of those are in their 

"common" names (other than the more obvious ones, such as citrus peel, 

etc.)... I'm not very familiar with the names of some herbs.



Also...  I believe someone had told me that Oolong tea was a more fermented 

version of Green tea... is this correct?  (I may have that wrong...)   Would 

Oolong tea still have the same health benefits as Green tea, and would it have 

the green tea catechins in it, (specifically epigallocatechin-3-gallate and 

epicatechin-3-gallate)?   I hope that's not too specific!!   



Thanks a lot.



From hero.uk@mcmail.com Mon May 25 12:40:24 1998

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Michelle wrote:

> 

> Someone in here had recently informed me as to the ingredients in Bojenmi

> Chinese Tea...  I believe they were the following:

> 

> - Oolong tea

> - Crataegus fruit

> - Poria fungus

> - Phaseolus seeds

> - Pogostemon herb

> - Hordeum sprout

> - Citrus peel

> - Fermented leaven

> - Cassia seeds

> - Pharbitis seeds

> - Alisma rhizome

> - Raphanus seeds

> - Prunella fruit

> 

> I was wondering if someone could tell me what some of those are in their

> "common" names (other than the more obvious ones, such as citrus peel,

> etc.)... I'm not very familiar with the names of some herbs.

> 

> Also...  I believe someone had told me that Oolong tea was a more fermented

> version of Green tea... is this correct?  (I may have that wrong...)   Would

> Oolong tea still have the same health benefits as Green tea, and would it have

> the green tea catechins in it, (specifically epigallocatechin-3-gallate and

> epicatechin-3-gallate)?   I hope that's not too specific!!

> 

> Thanks a lot.





-----------



Just a quickie here



Saw some Bojenmi tea in the Chinese supermarket on Sat.  Someone else

had asked what it means:



The romanization is screwy but (in Mandarin) the characters read:  bao

jian mei which means "stay healthy and beautiful".



One other bit of Chinese they didn't translate into English on the box: 

"weight loss tea".





Nick



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Does anyone have ideas on how to relieve the pain associated with shingles.



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I have had feedback from some who used my product "Simply Essential"

(Aromatherapy based product developed  for Herpes 1 &2) who have been really

pleased with the pain relief and faster healing time for Shingles. I cant

make a particular recommendation because there is not enough anectodal

evidence yet but given that it works better than anything else for Herpes,

and being the same virus you may want to consider it. have a look at

http://www.huggers.com



email me with questions



swann wrote in message <01bd870e$5d152280$164834d1@cecilmor>...

>Does anyone have ideas on how to relieve the pain associated with shingles.







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swann wrote in message <01bd870e$5d152280$164834d1@cecilmor>...

>Does anyone have ideas on how to relieve the pain associated with shingles.



Try breaking open (or piercing) a Vit. E capsule, and rubbing the contents

into any lesions.  Also try taking a warm tea made with Skullcap Herb.

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In article <01bd870e$5d152280$164834d1@cecilmor>,

  "swann" <swann@rockies.net> wrote:

>

> Does anyone have ideas on how to relieve the pain associated with shingles.

>

Shingles is a viral infection of sensory nerve cells.  Externally, capsicum

gel, tea tree oil, colloidal silver (anti-viral), or pau-darco lotion has

helped to bring relief.



Internally for the virus, passion flower has been used for viral infection of

the nerves.  High potency garlic, l-lysine (anti-viral amino acid), colloidal

silver, or echinacea.



To calm the nerves, consider calcium, complete B-vitamin complex, yarrow (to

promote prespiration and eliminate toxins), and Vitamin C.



Note:  I do not directly or indirectly dispense medical advice or prescribe

the use of herbs as a form of treatment for sickness without medical approval.



J. Candy Arnold, Author

Books & Products on Natural Health

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In article <01bd870e$5d152280$164834d1@cecilmor>,

  "swann" <swann@rockies.net> wrote:

>

> Does anyone have ideas on how to relieve the pain associated with shingles.

>



The topical application of St.Johnswort is said to have beneficial

effects on the pain assiciated with shingles.



Good luck.



Rosemarie



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Try obtaining some oat straw from an organic herb store. Wrap in some

cheesecloth or similar holder, and dip into the warm bath water.. A few

cups or so should be enough. Try a small amount the first time so if

you're allerigic to it (maybe dash a bit across the forearm to test) you

won't get a nasty reaction. If it suits you, jump in and enjoy.



-Val



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knots@agate.net wrote:

> 

> In article <01bd870e$5d152280$164834d1@cecilmor>,

>   "swann" <swann@rockies.net> wrote:

> >

> > Does anyone have ideas on how to relieve the pain associated with shingles.

> >

> 

> The topical application of St.Johnswort is said to have beneficial

> effects on the pain assiciated with shingles.

> 

> Good luck.

> 

> Rosemarie

> 

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From pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net Wed May 27 00:44:17 1998

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From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

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swann wrote in message <01bd870e$5d152280$164834d1@cecilmor>...

>Does anyone have ideas on how to relieve the pain associated with shingles.



There is a new product available that was discovered by accident by a

dentist practicing here in Florida.  He noticed that people who had received

floride treatments experienced relief from fever blisters, and conducted a

clinical trial using various concentrations of the same floride treatment

used to strengthen the tooth enamel.  The trial and follow-up studies showed

people were able to get relief from a variety of viral infections by using

external applications of a gel containing floride (stannous floride, I

believe).  He is now marketing the stuff.  My dentist is a friend of his,

that's how I found out about it.  I don't have the information with me, but

I would be glad to find it for you if you are interested.



Naturally, I don't benefit at all from sales of this product (darn it! This

guy's gonna make some money, the stuff really seems to work).



-Rich









From PZOOKS@prodigy.net Wed May 27 15:14:16 1998

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swann wrote:

> 

> Does anyone have ideas on how to relieve the pain associated with shingles.



I have read that Hydrogen Peroxide has a positive effect on Shingles,

but I do not know if it relieves pain. External application only,

please. I don't believe it is good to ingest, even in very low dosages,

and can cause severe stomach problems in large amounts.



  Regards,

Prof. Zooks



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I recently had shingles and took aloe vera internally.  Approximately 2 Tbs per

day.  The shingles responded within two days and were gone in four after

developing for a week prior.  It worked for me.



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emu oil supposedly will soothe the pain and reduce inflammation of

shingles. millenum@lcc.net



swann <swann@rockies.net> wrote in article

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> Does anyone have ideas on how to relieve the pain associated with

shingles.

> 



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RE: Bromelain

What is it?

What can it do for me?

Someone recommended taking it in pill form.



Thanks,

Lynn in Lakeville, Ma.





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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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donsoff <donsoff@ici.net> wrote:



>RE: Bromelain

>What is it?

  It is a digestive enzyme, extracted from the papaya plant(?)



>What can it do for me?

  Depends on who you talk to.  Some people claim it wil cure

anything that ails you, others claim it will enhance your

digestive system's ability to process foods - leading to all

sorts of good things.

  The truth is, that unless your digestive system has a certain

enzyme deficiency, it will DIGEST the bromelain just like any

other food, si it has no effect.



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HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net> wrote:



>Papaya enzyme dissolved between cheek and gum helps reduce sinus

>inflammation and thins the mucus. 

  Papaya enzume is a potent protein digester ... it might also

dissolve the mucous membrane.  People who eat large quantities of

papaya (as in a bowl or two every breakfast for a few days) can

develop irritated mouths.



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Bromelain is a naturally occurring enzyme derived from pineapple stems. =

As a nutritional supplement, it is widely used to assist in the =

digestion of protein, to relieve painful menstruation, and to treat =

arthritis. Bromelain inhibits blood-platelet clotting without causing =

excess bleeding. It has become a popular internal sports injury =

medicine, to reduce bruising, relieve pain and swelling, and promote =

wound healing. It may also be used externally, as a paste applied to =

stings, to deactivate the protein molecules of insect venom. Typically =

it is taken with meals as a digestive aid, or 30 minutes before or 90 =

minutes after a meal to help treat sports injuries.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



donsoff wrote in message <35682810.4729614B@ici.net>...

>RE: Bromelain

>What is it?

>What can it do for me?

>Someone recommended taking it in pill form.

>

>Thanks,

>Lynn in Lakeville, Ma.

>





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Anyone see the TV report discussing herbal remedies, their potency,

and the probability that some of the potent herbs, such as Kava Kava

can have some serious side effects? One guy went into a coma when

taking Kava (while he was still taking Xanax). I guess the Polynesians

are ok with Kava since they probably don't have valium or xanax in

their bathroom cabinets. I'm not sure if I saw it on the tube, or read

it on the net, where the properties of Kava Kava are similar to that

of cocaine. Is this true? Are people getting heart problems, such as

atrial fibrillation or other electrical dysfunctions when mixing

synthetics and herbs?



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Chris,



While I didn't catch the TV report, many herbals state that medicines

should -not- be taken in conjunction with herbs. The problem is that,

many people take herbs without reading anything about them, much like a

person would if they went into a drug store, and purchased a cold

medicine. The sad truth is, while herbs are food supplements, they are

also powerful medicine, especially when combined with chemical

medications, making a toxic combo.



-Val



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Chris wrote:

> 

> Anyone see the TV report discussing herbal remedies, their potency,

> and the probability that some of the potent herbs, such as Kava Kava

> can have some serious side effects? One guy went into a coma when

> taking Kava (while he was still taking Xanax). I guess the Polynesians

> are ok with Kava since they probably don't have valium or xanax in

> their bathroom cabinets. I'm not sure if I saw it on the tube, or read

> it on the net, where the properties of Kava Kava are similar to that

> of cocaine. Is this true? Are people getting heart problems, such as

> atrial fibrillation or other electrical dysfunctions when mixing

> synthetics and herbs?



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In article <3568352c.2804239@news.rdu.bellsouth.net>,

  cwn@bellsouth.net (Chris) wrote:

>

> Anyone see the TV report discussing herbal remedies, their potency,

> and the probability that some of the potent herbs, such as Kava Kava

> can have some serious side effects? One guy went into a coma when

> taking Kava (while he was still taking Xanax). I guess the Polynesians

> are ok with Kava since they probably don't have valium or xanax in

> their bathroom cabinets. I'm not sure if I saw it on the tube, or read

> it on the net, where the properties of Kava Kava are similar to that

> of cocaine. Is this true? Are people getting heart problems, such as

> atrial fibrillation or other electrical dysfunctions when mixing

> synthetics and herbs?

>

Yes, I saw the TV report.  Anyone taking prescription drugs needs to use

caution taking any herb or supplement.  Keep in mind that herbs vary in their

degree of action from mild herbs such as garlic, sage, etc to toxic herbs such

as belladona.  To not take herbs for their nutritional benefits is like not

eating food (which herbs are).



Personally, I have epilepsy and take Kava Kava before driving as I have panic

attacks in bad traffic.  I take one capsule only no more than 2 times a day.

However, it is suggested that most people take one capsule before bedtime as

some experience drowsiness.  It keeps me mentally alert as it does many

others.



Another suggestion is to use a quality product with the right plant part.

This is particularly important when a person is also taking a prescription

drug.  The best course of action is to check with your doctor and follow

bottle recommendations closely.



Both xanax and kava kava have a relaxing effect which might lead to too much

of a "good" thing.



J. Candy Arnold, Author

Books & Products on Natural Health

http://www.naturelink.net



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From jaclinhide@aol.com Sun May 24 18:11:45 1998

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I took this from another web site and thought it appropriate to post it here. 

This person is a reliable guy and not a troll.



"Subject: Ginseng Warning

From: aca3@netaxs.com (Arthur Anderson)

Date: Thu, May 21, 1998 12:45 EDT

Message-id: <6k1ln9$ang@netaxs.com>





Just heard a report in the news that a batch of ginseng 

from a Colorado company has been found to be tainted by 

a fungus that can cause liver damage. If you happen to 

be using ginseng from Colorado, you should probably 

throw it out and get a new supply to play it safe.



					Best Wishes,

					Arthur"



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In article <1998052415114500.LAA25270@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

  jaclinhide@aol.com (JaclinHide) wrote:

>

> I took this from another web site and thought it appropriate to post it here.

> This person is a reliable guy and not a troll.

>

> "Subject: Ginseng Warning

> From: aca3@netaxs.com (Arthur Anderson)

> Date: Thu, May 21, 1998 12:45 EDT

> Message-id: <6k1ln9$ang@netaxs.com>

>

> Just heard a report in the news that a batch of ginseng

> from a Colorado company has been found to be tainted by

> a fungus that can cause liver damage. If you happen to

> be using ginseng from Colorado, you should probably

> throw it out and get a new supply to play it safe.

>

> 					Best Wishes,

> 					Arthur"

>

This is excellent advice.  It also shows that choosing a respected company

with a history of quality and integrity for several years is integral when

adding supplements for nutritional purposes.



J. Candy Arnold, Author

Books & Products on Natural Health

http://www.naturelink.net



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From jcandy@naturelink.net Mon May 25 00:24:23 1998

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From: jcandy@naturelink.net

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Subject: Re: athletes foot

Date: Sun, 24 May 1998 21:24:23 GMT

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In article <6k9p2t$if4$1@news3.alpha.net>,

  "Jean" <vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> wrote:

>

> I've read the cure for athletes foot somewhere...I know there is something

> natural used to soak feet in...I can't find it in my books...(maybe I'm not

> looking well enuff) anyway, gives me a reason to "post" and say Hi to

> everyone...hope your weekend is good...

>

> so...what should I use for this kids feet???

> he's a skateboarder....and has those crazy shoes on all the time....

>

> thanks in advance!!

>

> smilin,

>

> jean



It is my understanding that Athlete's Foot is a fungus infection and may be

complicated by bacterial infections.



Externally, tea tree oil, pau d'arco lotion, and colloidal silver have been

used as anti-virals.  A soak with a couple drops of tea tree oil in a pint of

water used 3 times a day may be helpful.



Internally, garlic is an antifungal as is pau d'arco.



With any fungal infection, supplementation with a high-quality acidophilus

replaces friendly bacteria which are normally out of balance.



Other ideas include eating a anti-candida diet, keep feet dry, wear white

cotton socks, sandles weather-permitting.



Your "soak" may be 2 tbsp vinegar and 1 pt water for 20 minutes, 3 times per

day.  Candy



Note:  I do not directly or indirectly dispense medical advice or prescribe

the use of herbs as a form of treatment for sickness without medical approval.



J. Candy Arnold, Author

Books & Products on Natural Health

http://www.naturelink.net











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From pjerlandsen@home.com Mon May 25 02:50:55 1998

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Jean wrote:

> 

> I've read the cure for athletes foot somewhere...I know there is something

> natural used to soak feet in...I can't find it in my books...(maybe I'm not

> looking well enuff) anyway, gives me a reason to "post" and say Hi to

> everyone...hope your weekend is good...

> 

> so...what should I use for this kids feet???

> he's a skateboarder....and has those crazy shoes on all the time....

> 

> thanks in advance!!

> 

> smilin,

> 

> jean

> To exchange ideas, goods,

> money or time, is to acknowledge

> prosperity in my life.





My niece got athletes foot every year from gym at school.  It was not

until I gave her some Tea Tree Oil to put on it that it finally went

away.  She has not had a problem since.



J9



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You can treat the area that's infected (yeast) with a mix of mineral or

baby oil and Iodine.  It's 1/3 Iodine to 2/3's mineral oil.  Wash and dry

his/her feet and apply twice a day.  The yeast should be dead and gone

within 2 weeks or less.  That's all there is to it.  This also works for

ring worm.  Nothing else is needed.  If this doesn't help/work then perhaps

have a Dr. look at his feet for another problem.  You may want to wash his

sneakers with some bleach in the rinse water, air them out.  Lysol is also

good.

-- 

Theory: Oil smothers Yeast and Iodine is very toxic to yeast.  The more

fresh air on his/her feet the better.  Child should be sleeping barefoot.



I Hope this helps you.



Carol ... 

*** Know what to expect before you connect ***

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*

: so...what should I use for this kids feet???

: he's a skateboarder....and has those crazy shoes on all the time....

: 

: thanks in advance!!

: 

: jean

: 



From basenji@bc.sympatico.ca Mon May 25 00:42:19 1998

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Excuse me if this topic has come up before, but this is my first

posting.  Does anyone have experience using, or know anyone who's used

dandelion root tea as a way of supporting the liver?  I know about milk

thistle, but it's SO pricey to purchase the tincture, and the quantity

of milk thistle in the tincture seems so unreliable.



thanks,

Hans





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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Hans and Susan <basenji@bc.sympatico.ca> wrote:



>Excuse me if this topic has come up before, but this is my first

>posting.  Does anyone have experience using, or know anyone who's used

>dandelion root tea as a way of supporting the liver? 

  It's more of a diuretic than anything else.









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On 24 May 1998 16:11:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Hans and Susan <basenji@bc.sympatico.ca> wrote:

>

>>Excuse me if this topic has come up before, but this is my first

>>posting.  Does anyone have experience using, or know anyone who's used

>>dandelion root tea as a way of supporting the liver? 



>  It's more of a diuretic than anything else.



Agreed, it's a diuretic, but it is a very important liver herb, too. Yes, do all

the dandelion you want to strengthen your liver. Salads of the leaves, dandelion

'coffee' of the root, chew on the dried roots, whatever. As much as you can

take. The leaves are more diuretic than the roots.

I recommend it for Hep folks, together with milk thistle seeds (Silybum) crushed

on any food with the help of a pepper mill.



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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I'm going to try to take goldenseal for my esophageal reflux problem to

try to heal those tissues down there.  How much goldenseal should I

take? How much is safe to take?



From abacaxi@hotmail.com Mon May 25 02:15:01 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Never Mind <genjksn@yahoo.com> wrote:



>I'm going to try to take goldenseal for my esophageal reflux problem to

>try to heal those tissues down there.  How much goldenseal should I

>take? How much is safe to take?



  Goldenseal has a side effect that most of its proponents

ignore: it is damaging to mucous membranes.  For occasional use

in colds and flu the effect is tolerable, although large doses or

long use can produce noticeable gastro-intestinal effects.

  that makes using it to heal mucoue membranes a bit iffy.



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Iffy indeed.

Why would you choose goldenseal for GERD anyway?    I've never seen that

one.

There are dietary and positional approaches that would be far less chancy

DJ



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



> Never Mind <genjksn@yahoo.com> wrote:

>

> >I'm going to try to take goldenseal for my esophageal reflux problem to

> >try to heal those tissues down there.  How much goldenseal should I

> >take? How much is safe to take?

>

>   Goldenseal has a side effect that most of its proponents

> ignore: it is damaging to mucous membranes.  For occasional use

> in colds and flu the effect is tolerable, although large doses or

> long use can produce noticeable gastro-intestinal effects.

>   that makes using it to heal mucoue membranes a bit iffy.







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<FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><FONT SIZE=-1>Iffy indeed.</FONT></FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><FONT SIZE=-1>Why would you choose goldenseal

for GERD anyway?&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I've never seen that one.</FONT></FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><FONT SIZE=-1>There are dietary and positional

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<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica"><FONT SIZE=-1>DJ</FONT></FONT>



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to

<BR>>try to heal those tissues down there.&nbsp; How much goldenseal should

I

<BR>>take? How much is safe to take?



<P>&nbsp; Goldenseal has a side effect that most of its proponents

<BR>ignore: it is damaging to mucous membranes.&nbsp; For occasional use

<BR>in colds and flu the effect is tolerable, although large doses or

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From grambl@sprynet.com Mon May 25 07:05:13 1998

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Goldenseal is very rough on the stomach~ try peppermint and chamomile

extracts regularly.

Never Mind wrote in message <3568B5AE.309B@yahoo.com>...

>I'm going to try to take goldenseal for my esophageal reflux problem to

>try to heal those tissues down there.  How much goldenseal should I

>take? How much is safe to take?





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Peacebear wrote:

> 

> Goldenseal is very rough on the stomach~ try peppermint and chamomile

> extracts regularly.

> Never Mind wrote in message <3568B5AE.309B@yahoo.com>...

> >I'm going to try to take goldenseal for my esophageal reflux problem to

> >try to heal those tissues down there.  How much goldenseal should I

> >take? How much is safe to take?



I seem to also recall reading that Goldenseal is bad for diabetics!



  Regards,

Prof. Zooks



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PZOOKS wrote in message <356983D1.3CEF@prodigy.net>...

>Peacebear wrote:

>>

>> Goldenseal is very rough on the stomach~ try peppermint and chamomile

>> extracts regularly.

>> Never Mind wrote in message <3568B5AE.309B@yahoo.com>...

>> >I'm going to try to take goldenseal for my esophageal reflux problem to

>> >try to heal those tissues down there.  How much goldenseal should I

>> >take? How much is safe to take?

>

>I seem to also recall reading that Goldenseal is bad for diabetics!

>

>  Regards,

>Prof. Zooks





Goldenseal should be taken rather carefully by those with high blood

pressure.   It tends to raise it a bit.   I suggest using tincture since

dosage can be controlled more carefully.



Regards,

Evelyn







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WL Sakowski wrote:

>  

> 

> Diabetics/hypoglycemics can take Goldenseal by adding

> Licorice to counter the Goldenseal affecting the bloodsugar.

> (This [taking Goldenseal] is a simple way of one *discovering*

> a sugar problem that has been able to hide it's self.)

> 

> cheers,

> WL Sakowski



I have read that Diabetics/hypoglycemics are not to take Goldenseal. 

How does one *discover) a sugar problem by taking it?



J9



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Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote:



>I have read that Diabetics/hypoglycemics are not to take Goldenseal. 

>How does one *discover) a sugar problem by taking it?



  You have a sugar problem that is mild and undiagnosed, take

GoldenSeal, and the problem gets bad enough to make you real

sick.  then you get a diagnosis.



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Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> 

> Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com> wrote:

> 

> >I have read that Diabetics/hypoglycemics are not to take Goldenseal.

> >How does one *discover) a sugar problem by taking it?

> 

>   You have a sugar problem that is mild and undiagnosed, take

> GoldenSeal, and the problem gets bad enough to make you real

> sick.  then you get a diagnosis.





Is it just Goldenseal or are there others we need to watch out for?

I have a "mild" sugar problem- thanks for the warning!



Mara



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good god.  What makes you think golden seal will work for  esophageal reflux. 

Change your diet firstof all.  What do you typically eat and when do you eat

it?  Do you drink alcohol?



Eric 





From fredp@unm.edu Mon May 25 02:53:24 1998

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From: fredp@unm.edu (Fred Peipman)

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Could anyone point me to where I might find information on Kava? I am a

clinical counselor working with a naturopath on herbs for mental disorders

and would like to know where I might find what this herb is mainly used

for and contraindications, etc.

Thank you!



fredp@unm.edu



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I'm fixing to have surgery and need something to reduce scaring. Can anyone

help?

uni



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unicor8001@aol.com (Unicor8001) wrote:



>I'm fixing to have surgery and need something to reduce scaring. Can anyone

>help?



  Do NOT start slathering things on the incision until it is

fully healed!  Wait till the stitches are out.  Resist the urge

to pick and scratch at the incision.



  After healing, keep the area well-oiled with cocoa butter or

other skin softeners.  Lotions high in Vitamin E are reported to

help.

  Wear sunblock for at least a year whenevr the scar is going to

be exposed to the sun. 





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wl-ski@gratisnet.com (WL Sakowski) wrote:





> a> From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

> a> ...!  Wait till the stitches are out.

>

>Of course, this goes without saying... it should be well

>along in the healing process before starting this.

  I always include that step, because I saw more than one person

come back with incision infections because they were rubbing

chunks of aloe plants onto the unhealed wounds.  It leaves bigger

scars than they would have had if they did nothing.





> In an

>accident, my  Dad almost lost his hand across the palm,

>taking all four of his digits. 

YIKES - did it work very well after the surgery?





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when my husband cut his hand with a chainsaw -- once the stitches wer healed we

used Vit E oil - right oiut of the capsule - as well as an incrase in what he

took orally ---- in adition we used Arnica salve ----



While he does have a noticable scar -- it in no way looks like its from that

sever a cut ---





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





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Mederma is an onion extract (OTC) that I've found much more effective than

topical vit.e



Best wishes

Mark



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>On 25 May 1998 01:01:16 GMT, unicor8001@aol.com (Unicor8001) wrote:

>

>>I'm fixing to have surgery and need something to reduce scaring. Can anyone

>>help?

>>uni



A blend of cocoa butter and vitamin-E oil with lavender oil added to

assist the healing has worked for cuts to reduce scaring. Seems like

it should also work for surgical cuts.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.top.net/harouffd/



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Sorry to hear about your surgery.  When I had surgery on my arm and hand, I

used just plain on Vitamin E oil.  I applied it twice a day an it significantly

reduced the scars that otherwise would have been quite unsightly.  And as

others are saying, please wait until the stitches/staples are out and the wound

is entirely closed.  Good healing to you....

Soy$muy$alta@aol.com

As in water face reflects face, so a man's heart reveals the man  Proverbs

27:19 

To reply, please remove the dollar signs from my name.



From jspearman@hotmail.com Mon May 25 07:44:18 1998

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I read recently that there is an anti-angiogenisis drug that was

originally developed from the African Bush Willow. This leads me to

believe that there may be herbal remedies to fight cancer!  So far I

have been looking at White Oak bark, Willow Bark, and Birch leaves.

I think looking at remedies for migraine headaches, difficult

menstruation or even abortifacients may put us on the right track. (I'm

thinking "how do I suppress the formation of new blood vessels".) Has

anyone else been thinking along the same lines? Jack Spearman



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They are very interested in becoming a doctor with only 7 courses? Are =

they also interested in treating people with little or basically no =

knowledge and then getting sued? Becoming a doctor of any kind is not =

easy and requires a whole lot more than 7 courses. Beware.......



Kay



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              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



michael brown wrote in message <35694B17.7855@kih.net>...

>I apologize, but I wasn't paying attention again....

>

>please restate the web addresses for info on the courses?

>

>was mentioning it to some friends, and they are VERY interested.

>

>thanks!

>--=20

>regards,

>

>michael brown

>mbrown@kih.net





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michael brown wrote in message +ADw-356A0059.7A42+AEA-kih.net+AD4-...

+AD4-slade or kay henson wrote:

+AD4APg-=20

+AD4APg- They are very interested in becoming a doctor with only 7 =

courses? Are they also interested in treating people with little or =

basically no knowledge and then getting sued? Becoming a doctor of any =

kind is not easy and requires a whole lot more than 7 courses. =

Beware.......

+AD4APg-=20



+AD4-Do YOU think I am STUPID enough to take up practice after

+AD4-THIS?+ACE-?+ACE-?+ACE-?+ACE-?+ACEAIQAhACEAIQAh-



First of all, I didn't say you were. In fact, I asked a question and =

didn't make an accusation.



+AD4-

+AD4-I AM OFFENDED BY YOUR ESTIMATION OF MY INTELLIGENCE+ACEAIQAhACE-



I don't see how my post estimates your intelligence. I asked questions. =

There are so many schools out there that offer this type of thing. They =

are not accredditted, and people are practising under these so-called =

licenses or certificates. They don't know what they are doing. That can =

be very damaging to an individual seeking care from someone whom they =

think is qualified.



+AD4-

+AD4-Criticisms are easy to throw around, but can be embarrassing when =

you

+AD4-find out you don't know what you are talking about+ACE-



Again, I asked questions.



+AD4-

+AD4-Maybe you had better get to know me before you start throwing =

stones+ACE-

+AD4-Hmmmmm?



I didn't say YOU in the post, I said THEY and asked questions.



+AD4-

+AD4-Ever think of learning about something just to learn about it?  =

It's

+AD4-called SELF IMPROVEMENT+ACE-  You see, I do this all the time.  In =

1989, I

+AD4-earned my EXTRA CLASS Amateur radio license....  I am presently =

enrolled

+AD4-in a series of Kung Fu classes that will eventually allow me to =

earn my

+AD4-BLACK BELT.  At this time, I am 2nd DEGREE BROWN.....

+AD4-I have earned a bacholers, masters, and have 30 hours above =

that+ACE-  The

+AD4-30 hours were just for fun+ACE-  They don't count toward ANY =

degrees+ACE-



Ever think about properly reading a post? Again, I asked questions, not =

directed at you. You mentioned your friends were interested.

 I'm glad you like to learn for fun.=20

I posted because people treat other people when they have no business =

doing it.



+AD4-

+AD4-My friends are in things for fun too+ACE- We have a variety of =

interests and

+AD4-activities in our lives, keeps us from being so WORRIED about what

+AD4-OTHERS are doing+ACE-



I do worry about what other people do when it comes to treating people =

for disease, wellness or nutrition. In my clinic, I'm the one that gets =

stuck fixing other people's mistakes. I'm the one that gives hours hours =

of free counseling and classes to others to teach them properly so they =

won't make the same mistakes again. I think it's great that people want =

to learn and to help others, but they need to go to an accredditted =

school, with accredditted courses, not 7 courses and then call =

themselves a doctor.

My post was never meant to offend you. I apologize that it did. I =

personally know people who have paid twenty bucks for a fake diploma =

saying they have a Ph.D. I like to learn things for fun, too, but I =

don't consider playing doctor fun. It's a long, tough road with many =

long years of schooling. I take my work and my education seriously. If =

that is offensive, I again apologize.



God Bless You,

Kay







  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade







From jackt21262@aol.com Mon May 25 16:58:27 1998

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      I would appreciate it if readers would send me their experiences taking

Kava Kava.  I am looking for the quantity taken and the resulting affects.  



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From: vaarmeyer@usa.net (Julia)

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	Hi folks, I am looking for a herb or herbal creme/gel that

will help reduce the redness and/or swelling in pimples. Any

suggestions?



Thanks

Christopher M. Toth

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In article <35699b2d.52393237@news-stand.acs.ohio-state.edu>,

  vaarmeyer@usa.net wrote:

>

>

> 	Hi folks, I am looking for a herb or herbal creme/gel that

> will help reduce the redness and/or swelling in pimples. Any

> suggestions?

>

> Thanks

> Christopher M. Toth

>

Redness and/or swelling is a sign of inflammation.  Consider externally such

herbs as tea tree oil (natural antibiotic/antiseptic), pau d'arco lotion

(blood purifier) and aloe vera gel (tissue health).



Look to the cause of these pimples such as hormonal changes, external

irritants, poor nutrition, impure blood or toxic bowel for internal

nutritional support.  Candy



Note:  I do not directly or indirectly dispense medical advice or prescribe

the use of herbs as a form of treatment for sickness without medical approval.



J. Candy Arnold, Author

Books & Products on Natural Health

http://www.naturelink.net





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From: Julia <angels@angels.sdi.agate.net>

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My mom has been diagnosed with transitional cell carcinoma of the renal

pelvis, with mets to the lymphatic and vascular systems.  The kidney,

ureter, and bladder cuff were surgically removed 2 weeks ago.  She

chooses to forego chemotherapy, as the odds that it will help to slow

the progression of disease at this stage are only 20-30%, and she does

not wish to trade quality of life for quantity.



We are going the alternative route.  Any suggestions/advice would be

appreciated by our family.  No charlatans, please, for goodness' sake. 

This is a desperate reaching out for true compassion from fellow human

beings, after all.



Thanks.



Julia



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Dear Julia,



Having just lost my brother in law to cancer, and my brother recently

diagnosed, I can relate to your suffering and the deep compassion you are

feeling for your mom.   I am in the New York general area.   In the town of

Suffern there is an alternative physician who tends to specialize in cancer

treatment by alternative means.   Dietary, supplementation, herbs,

homeopathic, lifestyle, all areas are covered.   He has had some very

excellent results and saved a few people who had been totally given up on by

the rest of the traditional medical community.



If I were diagnosed with any kind of malignancy I would go straight to this

guy and follow his advice, but I would also use traditional medicine to

exhaust all the possibilities there too.   As I understand it, they are to

be regarded as "supplementary physicians"  since they use their methods in

conjunction with regular treatment.



I don't have the phone number handy, but the name is Dr. Schacter and he is

in Suffern New York and the area code is (914)  They are REAL doctors and

not quacks in any way.  They have been written up in the Natural Health

Journal and in the local newspapers here showing some of their successes.



You have my prayers and best wishes.



Evelyn

Julia wrote in message <3569A599.680B@angels.sdi.agate.net>...

>My mom has been diagnosed with transitional cell carcinoma of the renal

>pelvis, with mets to the lymphatic and vascular systems.  The kidney,

>ureter, and bladder cuff were surgically removed 2 weeks ago.  She

>chooses to forego chemotherapy, as the odds that it will help to slow

>the progression of disease at this stage are only 20-30%, and she does

>not wish to trade quality of life for quantity.

>

>We are going the alternative route.  Any suggestions/advice would be

>appreciated by our family.  No charlatans, please, for goodness' sake.

>This is a desperate reaching out for true compassion from fellow human

>beings, after all.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Julia







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In article <3569A599.680B@angels.sdi.agate.net>,

  angels@angels.sdi.agate.net wrote:

>

> My mom has been diagnosed with transitional cell carcinoma of the renal

> pelvis, with mets to the lymphatic and vascular systems.  The kidney,

> ureter, and bladder cuff were surgically removed 2 weeks ago.  She

> chooses to forego chemotherapy, as the odds that it will help to slow

> the progression of disease at this stage are only 20-30%, and she does

> not wish to trade quality of life for quantity.

>

> We are going the alternative route.  Any suggestions/advice would be

> appreciated by our family.  No charlatans, please, for goodness' sake.

> This is a desperate reaching out for true compassion from fellow human

> beings, after all.

>

> Thanks.

>

> Julia

>

Julia, my 82 year young mother survived advanced lymphoma cancer 5 years ago

and is still dancing to tell everyone about it.  You can read our story at

http://www.naturelink.net/corner.htm.



For details on the complete list of nutritional supplements she took during

her battle against cancer, please send me a private e-mail message.  Candy



J. Candy Arnold, Author

Books & Products on Natural Health

http://www.naturelink.net



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Pau d' arco, garlic, suma, chaparral, echinacea, red clover, cat's claw, =

and dandelion are a few herbs. Check into these. There is also Essiac =

and Jason Winter's Tea to look into.

Raw almonds contain laetrile, which has anti-cancer properties. Eat =

plenty of cruciferous veggies, like broccoli, cauliflower, cabbage and =

Brussels sprouts. Also eat deep yellow and deep orange veggies.

Berries, Brazil nuts, cherries, cantaloupe, grapes, plums, and legumes =

all fight cancer. As do apples. Some say apple seeds help, also.

There is also the avoidance of red meats, luncheon meats, hot dogs, =

smoked and cured meats. Also avoid junk foods, processed refined foods, =

saturated fats, salt, sugar, and white flour. Limit consumption of dairy =

products. As condition improves, eat broiled fish 3 times per week.

There are lots of different therapies out there--like hydrazine sulfate, =

detoxification, laetrile, hydrogen peroxide, and nutrition programs to =

name a few.

There is tons of information on alternatives and cancer. So much, in =

fact, it may get confusing. You will need to research these suggestions =

on your own, then make your own decision. You may also want to get in =

touch with a qualified professional. I would not purchase anything from =

someone without a professional education. I also have addresses and =

phone numbers of several different holistic/alternative doctors who =

treat cancer if you would like those.

There are many choices to be made, and learning you will need to do. I =

wish you well, and may God bless you.





-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

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>We are going the alternative route.  Any suggestions/advice would be

>appreciated by our family.  No charlatans, please, for goodness' sake. 

>This is a desperate reaching out for true compassion from fellow human

>beings, after all.



I wld reccommend the book Prescription for Nutritional healing -- it has

sections on cancer as well as tumors -- Lots of advice on supplemnts and diet



also look for books on Nutritiona nd cancer ----



ive heard of one cld "what to eat when you have cancer"



And i wish u and yr mom the best possible outcome -----







Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

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Greetings Uni..



    Sorry to hear you have to have surgery.. Hopefully, you will have a quick

recovery.. 



    Please remember to wait unit the stitches are out before using any type of

blend/cream etc. on your scar.



    I had surgery myself just about a year ago.  (biniki cut) .. after the

stitches (staples yuck!! ) out... i made a blend that i feel helped the scar

heal at a faster rate (my doctor was amazed at how quickly i was healing)..



    My blend will not make the scar disappear... however, it will help it heal

quicker and have a minimum of scarring..

   

     If you are interested .. visit my web site or email privately.  (please

note.. my web site is still in the infancy stage.. ).



    Wishing you the best.

Rosanne

SunRose Aromatics

Member of NAHA &  NORA

Essential Oils, Carrier Oils, Books,  Bottles,

Diffusers, Candles and Incense, and much more.

http://www.expage.com/page/sunrosearomatics



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SORRY FOR THE INTRUSION NEWSGROUP:

	I must apologize.  There are a total of 10 courses with a required

elective.  Each "Course" consists of several lessons.  There is

definitely nothing easy about these lessons or the courses.

	I am most fortunate that I already work for a homeopathic/nutritionist

so I have day to day patient interactions.  THIS IS ALSO A REQUIREMENT

OF THE SCHOOL.  They state in their description for the course the

following:

	At this time, all courses may be done by correspondence.  Most courses

require hands-on projects, patient case studies and follow-ups, that can

be done at your home location.  Final Examination by correspondence is

required.  Certificates from other schools will be credited toward this

program at the discretion of the President.  Completion of ND degree

program will MAKE YOU ELIGIBLE for national board certification with the

ANMCAB.  (American Naturopathic Medical Certification & Accreditation

Board).  Additional fee is required with board certification

application.  ANMCAB Approved Curriculum.  Course requirements: 

HERBOLOGY; NUTRITION & CHEMISTRY; ANATOMY & PHYSIOLOGY; REFLEXOLOGY;

ACUPRESSURE/ACUPUNCTURE; HOMEOPATHY; MASSAGE, BODYWORK AND THE HEALING

TOUCH; PSYCHOLOGY OF HEALING; CHRONIC DISEASES, PLAGUES AND DEATH &

DYING; BASIC BUSINESS AND THE PRACTICE OF NATUROPATHY with one required

elective:  HYPNOTHERAPY OR BACH FLOWER REMEDY OR VIBRATIONAL MEDICINE.



	This is a course where you can study at your own pace.  At the rate I

am going (only completed lesson 2 in Herbology), it will take me nearly

5 years to complete this course total.  I plan on being well prepared

and learning everything I possibly can not only from the course but from

the doctor I work with, this newsgroup and other educational informative

books out there on today's market.

	I apologize once again for getting anyone and everyone (it seems) so

upset over this.  If you have any further questions, please do not

hesitate to go directly to the Herbal Healer Academy's web site and

inquire within.  http://www.drherbs.com



Thank you for your time.

Ann Marie

mailto:amsarra@ptd.net



slade or kay henson wrote:

> 

> They are very interested in becoming a doctor with only 7 courses? Are they also interested in treating people with little or basically no knowledge and then getting sued? Becoming a doctor of any kind is not easy and requires a whole lot more than 7 courses. Beware.......

> 

> Kay

> 

>   --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

>               or

>   --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade

> 

> michael brown wrote in message <35694B17.7855@kih.net>...

> >I apologize, but I wasn't paying attention again....

> >

> >please restate the web addresses for info on the courses?

> >

> >was mentioning it to some friends, and they are VERY interested.

> >

> >thanks!

> >--

> >regards,

> >

> >michael brown

> >mbrown@kih.net



From Lourmarin.@wanadoo.fr Mon May 25 21:50:43 1998

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Hello

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I have found that ants dislike coffee grounds & crushed egg shells.

Snails dislike the egg shells as well, since they won't crawl over them.



One of the BEST ways to repell snails is to hot glue pennies in a circle

around the pot. They won't crawl over them since copper *shocks* them!

:) Copper bands which you can puchase in garden stores are too

expensive, when you can spend $1.00 per 100 pennies (which makes a lot

of bands depending on container size) and a few bucks in hot glue sticks

to achieve the same result.



-Val



=--*

NO Spam, please.

*--=





WL Sakowski wrote:

> 

>  p> Date: Sat, 23 May 1998 05:45:24 GMT

>  p> Subject: Re: Effectiveness of 'Tansy' in Repelling Ants

>  p> From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@home.com>

> 

>  p> nick.diciaccio@usa.net wrote:

> 

> >> ... about how to repel ants (specifically small black ants)

> >> outside, and I got a response suggesting using tansy, ...

> >> thought I'd see what you folks thought of this.  Anyone ...

> >> have experiences...

> 

>  p> I planted it because I thought it might help.  It didn't.  The

>  p> ants were all over the plant.

> 

> Yes, J9, but this isn't a fair measure of whether they will, in

> other instances, perform differently.  (The presence of ants

> on plants, in most instances, is indicative of the presence of

> something *else*... like scale.  Scale leave a honey-dew

> behind, and the ants 'mine' this stuff.  So they are not there

> for the plant,  but rather, for "something else"  :)   For ant

> repellent, the Tansy flowers should be dried and  sprinkled

> over the 'runs' of the ants.  It isn't that the Tansy  *does*

> anything, (except be *repulsive*!) ... the ants don't like to

> be there.

> 

> I had ants coming in (according to my daddy, the usual

> reason is water   :)  under my back patio door.  I sprinkled

> the crumpled, dried flowers along the threshold plate and

> the ants went away... they weren't killed by the Tansy

> flowers, they just didn't want to put their little feet in it, so

> they decided to go elsewhere...  :)

> 

> Try using the Tansy, but remember that Tansy should never

> be planted in a place that it can get into livestock feeding

> areas... whether it be in food stuffs or their grazing/food crop.

> It's toxic to them.  It is also extremely invasive.  I love to use

> it, and grow it, but I have to stay on top of it all the time!  I try

> to keep the roots in a 5gallon tub with the bottom cut out of it!

> I keep the flowers cut off, as this is part of why I grow it. It still

> gets out of bounds!

> 

> cheers,

> WL Sakowski



From MCI@NEWS.COM Tue May 26 00:33:41 1998

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I am looking for a reliable WIN CD about herbs, their therapeutic

action, side effects and overall interaction among themselves. 



If you know about any, please let me know. Thanks.



jrey@mci2000.com



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I found a good one at my local health food store - Mother Nature's Complete

Library from Packard Technologies - contains "A Modern Herbal" by Mrs.

Grieve, several titles from Dean Black, several from Hannah Kroeger,

"Nature's Medicine Chest" by LeArta Moulton to name a few items. It has

photos as well.

      (and no, I don't work for them)  Lin

MCI News wrote in message <3569e317.3813585@news.mci2000.com>...

>I am looking for a reliable WIN CD about herbs, their therapeutic

>action, side effects and overall interaction among themselves.

>

>If you know about any, please let me know. Thanks.

>

>jrey@mci2000.com







From bluebell@my-dejanews.com Tue May 26 01:16:54 1998

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Help....Does anyone know about the kidney stone that is 1/2 way between the

kidney and the bladder?  My kidney has an infection.  The doctors say if my

temperature goes up, he wants to operate and put a stent in for the kidney to

drain. HE recommended breaking up the stone . a large one by the way 1.7

cent. ... with the ultra sound therapy...but  why not break it up now. Why

watch the body temperature.?  Will the infection clear up when the stone is

broken up?



Does anyone know ?   I'm getting worried. JK



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bluebell@my-dejanews.com wrote in message

<6kcqkm$386$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>Help....Does anyone know about the kidney stone that is 1/2 way between the

>kidney and the bladder?  My kidney has an infection.  The doctors say if my

>temperature goes up, he wants to operate and put a stent in for the kidney

to

>drain. HE recommended breaking up the stone . a large one by the way 1.7

>cent. ... with the ultra sound therapy...but  why not break it up now. Why

>watch the body temperature.?  Will the infection clear up when the stone is

>broken up?

>

>Does anyone know ?   I'm getting worried. JK

>

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Hi JK,



The Lithotripsy machine is the best thing going nowadays.   I hate to say

this, but the stent deal, from what I have heard is just a way for the Dr.

to make more money, but then don't listen to me, I am not a Dr.    Yes, they

do need to clear up the infection, but I cannot see why they can't book you

with the Lithotripter right away either.  Perhaps they are afraid of

irritating the infected area and causing a blockage.



Look, your best bet is to follow whatever your Dr. says.   Ask him/her why

they cannot break the stone now, and ask why a stent is recommended.   There

may be serious reasons you don't know.



Meanwhile DRINK GALLONS OF WATER.   Drink water till you are peeing your

very brains out.   It is the best way.



Then go and get the book "No More Kidney Stones" from your bookstore.   It

goes into each kind of stone and every kind of preventive for each of them,

and lots of other information.



Good luck,

Evelyn







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Here is a protocol I have on kidney stones......





Kidney stones form when minerals that normally free float in the kidney =

fluids, combine into crystals. When there is an overload of inorganic =

waste and too little fluid, the molecules can't dissolve properly and =

form sharp edged stones. It takes from 5 to 15 hours of vigorous and =

urgent treatment to dissolve and pass small stones.



Common causes: Excess sugar, red meat, carbonated drinks, sugars and =

caffeine in the diet; diabetes; allergies; heavy metal poisoning; excess =

aluminum; essential fatty acids deficiency; overuse of prescription or =

pleasure drugs; B vitamin and magnesium deficiency; overuse of aspirin, =

salt and chemical diuretics.



Prevention through improved diet and exercise is the best medicine.

A short 3 day kidney cleanse to remove infection and help dissolve =

stones:

Each morning take 2 tablespoons cider vinegar or lemon juice in water. =

Take one each of the following juices daily: carrot/beet/cucumber, =

cranberry, potassium broth, and a green vegetable drink.

Take 2 cups watermelon seed tea daily.

Take aloe juice before bed.

Drink 8 glasses distilled water daily.

Take 2 tablespoons olive oil through a straw every 4 hours to help =

dissolve stones.

Then eat a very simple low salt, low protein, vegetarian diet with 75% =

fresh foods for a week.

Avoid all refined, fried and fatty foods, and all cola drinks during =

healing. Avoid salts, sugars, and caffeine containing foods. Eliminate =

dairy products. Reduce all animal protein.



Herbal Therapy:

Hawthorn or bilberry extract.

Evening Primrose Oil--4 capsules daily

Kidney balancing herbs:

Parsley/cornsilk tea

St. John's Wort if incontinent



Kidney Detoxifiers:

Burdock root tea, echinacea extract 4 times daily, garlic/cayenne =

capsules 6-8 daily.

Dandelion extract



Kidney stones:

Drink a quart daily of any of these teas to help dissolve:

Chamomile, rosemary or rosehips, or dandelion/nettles

Kidney flushing teas:

Watercress, cleavers or couch grass

Uva ursi/juniper



Supplements:

Take a good multi-vitamin preferably from natural sources, with chelated =

minerals.

Vitamin C with bioflavonoids. Take every hour to bowel tolerance until =

stones pass.

B complex 100mg with extra B6 100mg and magnesium 400mg two times daily. =

Vitamin K 100mcg.



Kidney stones are extremely painful, but very preventable.

Take a daily brisk walk to keep kidney function flowing.

Avoid commercial antacids during healing. Avoid NSAID drugs. They have =

been implicated in kidney failure cases.

Avoid smoking and secondary smoke.

Apply moist heat packs, comfrey compresses, and/or alternating hot and =

cold compresses on the kidney area.

Apply white flower oil or tiger balm to the kidney area 2 to 3 times =

daily.

Apply compresses to kidney area, like hot ginger/oatstraw, =

cayenne/ginger, mullein/lobelia.





-- Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade









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From: currier <woyci@execpc.com>

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Does anyone have any info on the use of "Schwedischer Krautenbitter"

or I guess Swedish Bitters in the treatment of alcohol addiction ?  Are

all product labelled Swedish Bitters the same or are there differences?



From abacaxi@hotmail.com Tue May 26 05:35:00 1998

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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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Art <art77@epix.net> wrote:



>On TV the other night CNN I think, I saw a short section on Panax Ginseng being 

>bad. A few big words, but I don't know if it was sprayed with something or

>if it's naturally in it.

  If you saw the story I did, a batch of it was improperly

stored, got moldy, and is loaded with carcinogens ... but hey,

they're all natural mold byproducts so they can't possibly be

harmful, could they?









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On TV the other night, CNN I think, I saw the end of a story about Bad

Panax Ginseng. I don't know if it was a spray they used on it or naturally

occouring chemical (big word).



Can anybody tell me what this story was about? I have Cestial Seasons  Tea

that contains Panax Ginseng, are there any recalls?



Art

Dallas, Pa.



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Yes, they tested for a certain fungicide, and found it in some Ginseng.

As Ginseng is one of those roots that matures over many years and they

lose a certain percent (15%?) to rot every year, it doesn't suprise me.



As far as WHO is using it (China, Korea, North Wisconsin) and what the

health effects or quantity of these fungicides compared to other root

vegetables, who knows?



	...Rodney







Art (art77@epix.net) wrote:

: On TV the other night, CNN I think, I saw the end of a story about Bad

: Panax Ginseng. I don't know if it was a spray they used on it or naturally

: occouring chemical (big word).



: Can anybody tell me what this story was about? I have Cestial Seasons  Tea

: that contains Panax Ginseng, are there any recalls?



: Art

: Dallas, Pa.



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On 25 May 1998 19:35:00 -0700, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:

> Art <art77@epix.net> wrote:

> 

> >On TV the other night CNN I think, I saw a short section on Panax Ginseng being 

> >bad. A few big words, but I don't know if it was sprayed with something or

> >if it's naturally in it.

>   If you saw the story I did, a batch of it was improperly

> stored, got moldy, and is loaded with carcinogens ... but hey,

> they're all natural mold byproducts so they can't possibly be

> harmful, could they?

> 

> 



Actually, it was Quintozene residues that they were worried 

about, but the amount was apparently only a trace amount which

wouldn't be harmful, but is still not allowed to be in ginseng 

sold in the U.S. I doubt it will be recalled, but the 

manufacturer is dropping the supplier and not processing any 

more of their product. All in all, not much to worry about.



Just a quick ad for our own products. They do not contain 

quintozene at all.





Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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586 St. Annes Rd, R.R.#3,	Ph.(250) 545-0400.        

Armstrong, B.C.,		Fax. (250) 545-0440.	

Canada, V0E 1B0. 		e-mail  bgies@ginseng.ca

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From appanat@nbnet.nb.ca Tue May 26 08:13:38 1998

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Will it repel insects in general? and would it be of benefit to the home

gardener in this respect? I gather that the flowers are the most

effective part.

   ttfn   ian





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I was windering if anyone has tried taking black currant oil (in a dose of

about 500mgxday) as actually experienced improvement in their hair and nails

texture. I read that it usually takes 6-8 weeks to notice any improvement.  Can

anyone share their experience?  Is it helpful, or not worth the investment? 

Thanks in advance.

Soymuyalta

"As in water face reflects face, so a man's heart reveals the man."

Proverbs 27:19 





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I'd be interested too... Dr. Weil recommends it in his books.   I have

been trying it for about 4 weeks.  So far, no big difference.  S in

Phx.





soymuyalta@aol.com (Soymuyalta) wrote:



>I was windering if anyone has tried taking black currant oil (in a dose of

>about 500mgxday) as actually experienced improvement in their hair and nails

>texture. I read that it usually takes 6-8 weeks to notice any improvement.  Can

>anyone share their experience?  Is it helpful, or not worth the investment? 

>Thanks in advance.

>Soymuyalta

>"As in water face reflects face, so a man's heart reveals the man."

>Proverbs 27:19 









From JMueller@mwt.net Tue May 26 19:16:01 1998

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From: "John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net>

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Subject: Re: toe/foot cramps

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I had similar problems, along with some very major leg cramps.  There were

times where it took both my wife and myself to get the cramp to relax and

even then I might be sore for the whole day afterward.  It turns out that I

wasn't getting enough calcium.  I haven't had any cramps at all since I

started drinking two large glasses of milk every day.  I also make sure that

I walk a bit every day--at least a mile.  The added circulation is a big

part of killing off the cramps as well.



BTW, it was my doctor who recommended the milk rather than calcium in pill

form.  He thinks that you get better digestion of the calcium (and other

things that milk has to offer) if you drink it in milk.  I have to say that

the pills don't seem to help as much if I try to get by using them alone.

Obviously, everyone is different, so you may get different results than I

did from the pill form of calcium.



John Mueller



Jean wrote in message <6k4hd5$m5g$1@news2.alpha.net>...

>Hi everyone!!

>Thought I'd throw this one out there and see if there is anything that can

>help!

>My husband "suffers" toe/foot cramps as soon as he lies down...either for a

>nap, or for the evening...seems to be when he starts to relax. Is he

lacking

>something?

>Any ideas, greatly appreciated in advance.

>

>smilin,

>jean

>

>To exchange ideas, goods,

>money or time, is to acknowledge

>prosperity in my life.

>

>

>







From anna_rhodes@hotmail.com Tue May 26 19:23:49 1998

From: Theia <anna_rhodes@hotmail.com>

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Tortilla chips sprinkled with "happy herbs"

They are now making tortilla chips sprinked with St. John's Wort, Kava

Kava, Ginko and other stuff (not all together- each flavour is

separate).

This strikes me as really dumb and something that won't last.

Especially, since one would have to eat 4 bags (I think- or was that a

bag and a half?) to equal 1 tablet of SJW.

 -just saw it on the news and had to share it. How bizarre.



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Subject: Eye Floaters!!  Please Help!!

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woke up yesterday morning with a rather largish floater in right

eye....



never happened before....age 49 relatively good health, male



any thoughts?



gonna do Bilberry extract starting today...any other ideas?? HELP!!





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From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

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elvis247@hotmail.com (Elvis) wrote:



>woke up yesterday morning with a rather largish floater in right

>eye....

>

>never happened before....age 49 relatively good health, male

>

>any thoughts?

Posted and emailed.



 IMMEDIATELY go get an eye exam - it could be nothing or it could

be a tiny clot from internal bleeding.  Everyont has floaters,

but they shouldn't appear suddenly like that.



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> elvis247@hotmail.com (Elvis) wrote:

>

> >woke up yesterday morning with a rather largish floater in right

> >eye....

> >

> >never happened before....age 49 relatively good health, male

> >

> >any thoughts?

> Posted and emailed.

>

>  IMMEDIATELY go get an eye exam - it could be nothing or it could

> be a tiny clot from internal bleeding.  Everyont has floaters,

> but they shouldn't appear suddenly like that.



 I agree! I had a recent sudden increase in floaters and the

opthalmologist found a hole in my retina and now I have to go to see

a retina specialist to see if my retina is detaching or not. This can

be corrected via laser surgery btw.



Good luck,

--

Jen :)



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GO TO AN EYE DR



floaters are usually harmless but CAN be a sign of a detaching retina





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





From llipzen@jps.net Wed May 27 00:52:27 1998

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Anyone experience any side effects or drug interactions with any of these?







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No side effects, but I gave up taking DHEA because I have an enlarged

prostate (BPH)  and there were too many warnings in the literature that

it could increase cancerous activity in that area.



DHEA is a powerful supplement.   I suggest that you talk about it with

your MD before using or ,at least, research it.

Start with sources on the internet, but note that people sellng it may

conceal the products' downside.  



                                                                                                                                              

 

                                                                                     

            

 

              

          

 

          

  

 

                       



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When I first started to take Ginko I got my head hurt for about the first

hour after that no proublems and I am still taking it daily, really helps me

get going in the mornings.





























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Larry Lipzen wrote in message <356b3966.0@blushng.jps.net>...

>Anyone experience any side effects or drug interactions with any of these?



I have been taking DHEA for a while for menopausal symptoms.   I have

noticed, the following;



increased libido,

skin has become more youthful and firm

occasionally get a pimple from it.

improved sleep habits,

less hot flashes



I have heard of other effects, like hair loss, but I have not experienced

them.







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From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

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>ANMCAB.  (American Naturopathic Medical Certification & Accreditation

>Board) -- poster mentioned correspondence courses qualified for certification

>through this organization



ANMCAB certification cannot be substituted for a license in the 11 states that

license NDs, as far as I know. As for the other states that don't license NDs,

you should inquire with your state medical board as to whether this

certification will be recognized or allow you to practice legally.



As for "accreditation" -- if this refers to accreditation of the educational

program, the Council of Naturopathic Medical Education is the only

accreditation body for the ND degree currently recognized by the US Department

of Education. 



It would certainly improve the reputation of the various correspondence schools

if they could be accredited by an independent organization recognized by the US

Department of Education. To do this, the accreditation body must be shown to be

independent of the schools (true of CNME), do regular physical examinations of

the school as well as providing an independent body to review any complaints

about the schools (true of CNME), and have an actual mechanism to bring about

compliance/correction of programs when deemed necessary (true of CNME). 



The US Department of Education has recognized accreditation bodies for the

following alternative medicine professional degrees: chiropractic doctor (DC);

naturopathic doctor (ND); and acupuncture (Masters of Acupuncture or Masters of

Acupuncture & Oriental Medicine). If you're interested in finding information

about these or other accreditation bodies, check Peterson's Register of Higher

Education in your library. They list all accreditation bodies recognized by the

US DOE, including the only federally recognized accreditation body for

correspondence or distance learning: Accrediting Commission of Distance

Education and Training Council (ACDETC). When looking into correspondence

schools, you might ask if they hold accreditation through this body.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones

author: Educational & Career Opportunities In Alternative Medicine

Prima Publishing 1998







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In article <1998052622104701.SAA23062@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs) writes:



>It would certainly improve the reputation of the various correspondence

>schools

>if they could be accredited by an independent organization recognized by the

>US

>Department of Education. 



Having re-read this, I should clarify that I think this would be a good idea

for the US-based schools. Other countries have their own accreditation

mechanisms.



Regards,

Rosemary



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Are any of you herbalists, medical herbalists, wholistic whatevers, or

some other professionally trained in the use of herbs etc?



just wondering.



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Dollar General wrote:



> Are any of you herbalists, medical herbalists, wholistic whatevers, or

> some other professionally trained in the use of herbs etc?

>

> just wondering.



 I am a 'budding herbalist'  [pun intended]



I have been studying the uses of plants/food as medicine for about 24

years now.



For the last 5 years I have been focusing on wildcrafting and growing

herbs and making my own tinctures, oils, salves, sprays, etc.



There is so much to learn!  Thanks to this group my awareness has grown.



Deb



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deb@mtjeff.com   or   debra@teleport.com  or   deb@spoonman.com

If *I* ran the world, we would certainly face a different set of

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Professionally trained? By the customary definition of professional

practice that would imply formal education, certification and state

licensing. Are there any laws on the books requiring that, anywhere?



I would not be in favor of any such system, I think. More often than not

licensing serves as a tool to create monopoly, inflate prices and restrict

innovation. I would not care to see those things happen in alternative

medicine. Were they to, it could no longer be considered "alternative,"

which may indeed be what you're driving at.



-- 



Stephen W. Anderson in Rocky Mount, NC

(To reply or mail, change the left side of the header address from "aws" to

"swa".)





> Dollar General wrote:

> > Are any of you herbalists, medical herbalists, wholistic whatevers, or

> > some other professionally trained in the use of herbs etc?





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In article <01bd896c$87f07d00$63e4c9cf@swa>, "Stephen W. Anderson"

<swa@rockymountnc.com> writes:

>Professionally trained? By the customary definition of professional

>practice that would imply formal education, certification and state

>licensing. Are there any laws on the books requiring that, anywhere?



Good questions.  The answer is yes. In Great Britain, the formal legal

definition is Medical Herbalist. This term derives from a Charter Act of the

British Parliment during the Tudor era (16th century). The Act was inspired by

the harassment of herbalists by surgeons, and was designed to both legally

define the herbalists' place in the British medical system and put a stop to

frivolous lawsuits meant to put the herbalists out of business.



In the United States, the debacle of the Flexner Report in the 1930s closed

many alternative medical schools, some of which predated allopathic medical

colleges in the US. Given that history, many alternative practitioners embraced

the idea of licensing as a legal protection against harassment by the

allopathic profession. It's harder to call somebody a "quack" if the law

defines what they do as a legitimate medical practice.



Whether you agree or not, pushes to license professions like acupuncture have

increased the public awareness of the legitimacy of these alternative practices

and brought them into the medical mainstream. The fact that acupuncturists have

licensing in 35 states probably helped the acceptance of the profession by MDs

as well as the recent recognition by the National Institutes of Health.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones

author: Educational & Career Opportunities In Alternative Medicine

Prima Publishing 1998 (yeah, it's available through amazon.com)

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com



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In article <1998052817592900.NAA07658@ladder01.news.aol.com>, HealingPgs

<healingpgs@aol.com> writes

>Good questions.  The answer is yes. In Great Britain, the formal legal

>definition is Medical Herbalist. 

There are two main organisations in the UK. The most "respectable" is

the NIMH, the National Institue of Medicinal Herbalists.

To qualify for this, the student must pass a degree course. This

involves diagnostic training as well as phyto-specific dosage etc.

The other is the Internationl Register of Consultant Herbalists.

They run their own in-depth courses, successful completion of which

gains a practice licence.

However, *anyone* can set up (in the UK) as a herbalist and practice.

Bear in mind that without the training and backing of a professional

organisation, lawsuits could cost you *everything*.

Hopefully, in five years time, I can add "MNIMH" to my sig.!

My most interesting feild ATM is vetinary herbalism. I've only just

begun to explore this area and am waiting to talk in depth with a

herbal-freindly vet.

For now, I'm sticking to wildcrafting for humans. Living in a temperate

zone gives me great scope for this.

AFAIK, topical remedies apply equally to all mammals. Internal remedies

are another matter.

I'd be pleased to recieve corrections on this.



Krow

-- 

Krow (krow@mobvus.demon.co.uk) 

Everybody hurts.  Don't throw your hand.  Oh, no.  Don't throw your hand.

If you feel like you're alone, no, no, no, you are not alone

(REM)



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Krow wrote:

> 

> In article <1998052817592900.NAA07658@ladder01.news.aol.com>, HealingPgs

> <healingpgs@aol.com> writes

> >Good questions.  The answer is yes. In Great Britain, the formal legal

> >definition is Medical Herbalist.

> There are two main organisations in the UK. The most "respectable" is

> the NIMH, the National Institue of Medicinal Herbalists.



I'm glad you told me what NIMH stands for in the UK. Here in the states

we have a NIMH too, but it is the National Institute for Mental

Health.... A different proposition altogether. ;)



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>I am a 'budding herbalist'  [pun intended]



LOL!  I like that.



>There is so much to learn!  Thanks to this group my awareness has grown.

>

>



Yes, there is.  I think that's what I find most fascinating about all of

it...I'm always learning something new.  It's never dull or boring. I started

getting into this about seven years ago and it's been a wonderful experience. 

I'm "growing" all the time. :)

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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	Hi, 

I've become newly interested in trying to identifying plants and trees

in my area, northeastern US, and am having a hard time with the

National Audubon books I purchased, does anyone know of any books or

webpages that focus on the beginner????



Thanx



Kitiara

k_silvermoon@geocities.com

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180





Blessed be,

Kitiara Silvermooon



k_silvermoon@geocities.com

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180



With cold rain and burning sun

With many trees or maybe one

I say goodbye, goodnight, fair well

For kindness makes the witch's spell.



(The Witch's Spell By Arian Wolf)



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Kitiara,



Hey there. Look for meidicinal field guides. Steven Foster has an

outstanding one, though I don't recall if it was for the northeast, or

northwest. You may try his page to start:



http://www.stevenfoster.com



I'm suprised there aren't more true photo books of medicinal herbs.

Every year sees the publication of dozens, if not more, herb books.

Usually these are filled with, you guessed it, boring illustrations.



-Val



====--*

Two simple words, NO SPAM.

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Kitiara wrote:

> 

>         Hi,

> I've become newly interested in trying to identifying plants and trees

> in my area, northeastern US, and am having a hard time with the

> National Audubon books I purchased, does anyone know of any books or

> webpages that focus on the beginner????

> 

> Thanx

> 

> Kitiara

> k_silvermoon@geocities.com

> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180

> 

> Blessed be,

> Kitiara Silvermooon

> 

> k_silvermoon@geocities.com

> http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180

> 

> With cold rain and burning sun

> With many trees or maybe one

> I say goodbye, goodnight, fair well

> For kindness makes the witch's spell.

> 

> (The Witch's Spell By Arian Wolf)



From healingpgs@aol.com Thu May 28 01:11:44 1998

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From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

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In article <356A1EFF.8781E7B9@home.com>, Valerian <valerian@home.com> writes:



>I'm suprised there aren't more true photo books of medicinal herbs.



Try the DK books like Penelope Ody's Complete Medicinal Herbal.

Well-illustrated with photographs.  Foster's field guides are some of the best.

Michael Moore did an excellant field guide for the Pacific Northwest. 



Regards,

Rosemary, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

e-mail: healingpgs@aol.com



From nature@ficom.net Wed May 27 05:06:52 1998

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Try www.altnature.com

A helpful book for you would be Peterson's Field Guide : Medicinal Plants by

Steven Foster and James A. Duke

Also go your your local library, they should have a lot of helpful books.

Check out some wildflower field guides.

Best of luck to you, I was a beginner once too, and am still learning new

species every year.

Karen Shelton

See Tennessee's Wildflowers at www.altnature.com/gallery.htm





Kitiara wrote in message <356b6176.6053707@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

> Hi,

>I've become newly interested in trying to identifying plants and trees

>in my area, northeastern US, and am having a hard time with the

>National Audubon books I purchased, does anyone know of any books or

>webpages that focus on the beginner????

>

>Thanx

>

>Kitiara

>k_silvermoon@geocities.com

>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180

>

>

>Blessed be,

>Kitiara Silvermooon

>

>k_silvermoon@geocities.com

>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180

>

>With cold rain and burning sun

>With many trees or maybe one

>I say goodbye, goodnight, fair well

>For kindness makes the witch's spell.

>

>(The Witch's Spell By Arian Wolf)







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Check with your local forestry division.  They have books for all levels of

expertise, and are wonderfully helpful.  Also, your agricultural center

should be staffed with experts in the local flora.



From the beginning of time, we humans have felt an overwhelming need to name

things, but beware:

"Do not give your real name to giants, as they can use it as a connection to

reach your vibration in the physical."

(Falcon Feathers and Valkyrie Sword by DJ Conway)



EnJoy the Earth,



http://home.att.net/~ejrainey/ferncottage.html





Kitiara wrote in message <356b6176.6053707@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

> Hi,

>I've become newly interested in trying to identifying plants and trees

>in my area, northeastern US, and am having a hard time with the

>National Audubon books I purchased, does anyone know of any books or

>webpages that focus on the beginner????

>

>Thanx

>

>Kitiara

>k_silvermoon@geocities.com

>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180

>

>

>Blessed be,

>Kitiara Silvermooon

>

>k_silvermoon@geocities.com

>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Aegean/2180

>

>With cold rain and burning sun

>With many trees or maybe one

>I say goodbye, goodnight, fair well

>For kindness makes the witch's spell.

>

>(The Witch's Spell By Arian Wolf)







From baird@gate.net Thu May 28 22:03:54 1998

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In article <356b6176.6053707@nntp.ix.netcom.com>,

spammer@mustdie.com (Kitiara) wrote:



 

>I've become newly interested in trying to identifying plants and trees

>in my area, northeastern US, and am having a hard time with the

>National Audubon books I purchased, does anyone know of any books or

>webpages that focus on the beginner????



_A Field Guide to Medicinal Plants: Eastern and Central North

America_, text by Stephen Foster and James A. Duke; line drawings by

Roger Tory Peterson, Jim Rose and Lee Allen Peterson; photographs by

Stephen Foster; copyright 1990 by Stephen Foster and James A. Duke;

Houghton Mifflin Company, Boston, MA USA; ISBN 0-395-46722-5 (pbk.)



This is one of the Peterson Field Guide series and, as the

information above states, includes photographs as well as line

drawings.  Like Roger Tory Peterson's _Field Guides_ to the birds,

it seems equally useful to beginners and those more knowledgeable in

the field.  Frankly, I'm surprised you're having trouble with

Audobon on this one, since they are one of the series' "sponsors"

(whatever that means).  You should be able to give the ISBN to any

bookstore and have them order it for you, however.



The book also includes bibliographic information - I'm suspicious of

books in any field which do not include the sources from which their

information is obtained.



Hope this helps.



Blessed be,

Baird







--

Baird Stafford (baird@gate.net)

Modkin, soc.religion.paganism; Modstaff, alt.religion.wicca.moderated

We, the Person - <http://www.gate.net/~baird/person> new article every Wednesday



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Hello,



Thanks for any response to this post.



I have bronchitis, this sayeth my doctor. I have a nagging cough,

stuffed up, no sense of taste or smell, and my ears are blocked up.



Any ideas are so very welcome. Please post here and also email to me.



Thanks,



Chuck

  http://chucksilverman.com



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Chuck Silverman <drumnart@sprynet.com> wrote:



>I have bronchitis, this sayeth my doctor. I have a nagging cough,

>stuffed up, no sense of taste or smell, and my ears are blocked up.



  Take Echinacea (appx 6 capsules a day for a week) and Thyme

(same dosage).  That usually does it.



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tons of raw garlic.







On Wed, 27 May 1998 08:16:14 +0100, Chuck Silverman

<drumnart@sprynet.com> wrote:



>Hello,

>

>Thanks for any response to this post.

>

>I have bronchitis, this sayeth my doctor. I have a nagging cough,

>stuffed up, no sense of taste or smell, and my ears are blocked up.

>

>Any ideas are so very welcome. Please post here and also email to me.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Chuck

>  http://chucksilverman.com



Larry Pew

http://www.pew.com

larry@pew.com



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I get bronchitis on avg of 4-5 times a year ----



Best bet IMO is garlic and parsley either fresh or in pills

(I also make a soup using fat free chicken broth --- Tons of fresh copped

garlic --- minced onion and lots of parsely)

I kills almost anything - LOL



echinacea and goldenseal



gargle with warm salted water



hot showers - lots of steam to help break up the mucus --- (u can also add tea

tree oil or eyucalyptus oil to your soap(this wks best using a bath gel))



and most importantly LOTS of fluids Vit C and Rest





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





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From: patanie@pasdepuc.com (Patane)

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Subject: Red Sage(salvia splendens)against anxiety and stress

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Red Sage is a common sage planted as an ornamental.It is

scientifically called salvia splendens.

One leaf chewed and kept,sublingually,(under the tongue)for 20 minutes

will stop anxiety better than 2 mgr of Lorazepam,for about 4 to 6

hours.



No euphoria induced.

Only pure anxiolysis and anti-stress effects.This is the Holy Grail of

the pharmaceutical companies:anxiolysis without euphoria...



The active components of this sage are hypothesised to be neoclerodane

diterpens(salviarin,splendidin or both).



Regards,



P.P







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Please see alt.support.diet for spam free help on losing weight.  And it's

FREE.  This product is useless for weight loss.

-- 

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: 

: >     Ive been taking a dietary supplement called METABOLIFE 356 made of

: >natural herbs. 

:   WHICH Natural herbs are listed on the bottle?

: 



From herlahp@inet.uni2.dk Wed May 27 16:01:01 1998

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From: Arne Herlv Petersen <herlahp@inet.uni2.dk>

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Subject: Weight loss

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My mother, who is 85 years, is quite healthy but affected by chronic

weight loss and now down to less than 90 pounds, although she eats

normally. Her doctor doesn't know what to do about her weight loss,

which makes her very tired. Are there any alternative/organic/herbal

solutions?

The problem started two years ago when she was hospitalized. During a

very hot summer she had diarrhea, which caused extreme dehydration and

disturbance of the salt balance of the blood. She lost consciousness and

in the hospital she had paranoid delusions and hallucinations. She was

fed intravenous saline solutions and appanentlty recovered completely

within a few days.

But since that time she has gone from 132 to 88 pounds. She claims to

eat the same she has always done. Before her hospitalization she felt

slightly overweigth (she is very small, 5'1" and frail of structure),

which she had been since she quite smoking some years earlier.

Please e-mail me directly if you have any answers or suggestions.



Sincerely,



Arne Herlov Petersen

herlahp@inet.uni2.dk



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my suggestion would be to buy Quinoe at the health food store ...

this is a grain that the Aztec Indians used over 5000 years ago .. so most

Americans are not allergic or hyper sensative to it..the other thing is as we

age our taste buds don't do as good a job, food may not taste the same for her

or it may have no flavor at all, so she may not be eating as much as she thinks

she is...



Quinoe cooks similar to rice .. we mix it in with rice in the rice cooker..for

1/2 C it has 318 cals, more protein than 3-4oz of meat without the digestion

problems... if your Mom like ethnic foods I'd try making up a batch of Tandori

using 1/3 to 1/2 Quinoe to rice (get her used to it).. I don't know how to get

my LINKS to work here.. if you need ethnic reciepes e-mail me ...my son ate

4000 cals a day and didn't gain any weight til he started eating Quinoe, hes

put on 15 # in less than6 months





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On Wed, 27 May 1998  Arne Herlv Petersen <herlahp@inet.uni2.dk> wrote:



>My mother, who is 85 years, is quite healthy but affected by chronic

>weight loss and now down to less than 90 pounds, although she eats

>normally.



A very common symptom of undiagnosed celiac disease.



> Her doctor doesn't know what to do about her weight loss,



Doctors today are heavily educated by the pharmaceutical companies. They

only focus on those disorders that they sell products for. Celiac disease

is controlled with a diet change, e.g. remove all gluten. So not only are

there no profits in a diagnosis, a diagnosis costs them income as the

patients stop taking other meds to treat other side effects.



>which makes her very tired.



Another common symptom of undiagnosed celiac disease.



You and she should invesigate this possibility. More information can be

found at:



  The Gluten-Free Page:   http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/



Don (at panix com).



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One thing i remember from my reading is that serving food on red plates

stimulates the appeite



Also --- because of ages affect on the sense of taste -- How about going out

and b8uing her a bunch of fattening snacks that she loves but wont buy for

herself ---- like for my mom i used ot get her italian cookies --- cold cuts

---- Id make her cream sauces for her pasta with lots of cheese and veggies ---

even a good PBandJsandwich --and while she was still in a good way I introduced

her to latkas ---- a decadantly fattening food but lucious





Also -- how about spending a day with her -- eat with her -- see how much and

what shes actuallye ating (that is of course if u live nearby)



Because of her ealier belife in being heavy she may still be eating or trying

ot eat lofat ---



When my mom was fighting cancer one of the things she fought with was weight

loss ---- she had to constantly be reminded htat at that point nothing mattered

not fat grams not cholensterol -- that she needed ot keep her weight up

regardless -- it took her a while to get used to being able to eat "whatever

she wanted"



She used Ensure with some success but it it menat ot be used in addition to 3

meals a day and snacks --- its not a meal replacement





Other ideas are sneaking calories into foods she already eats --- ie adding

dried fruit to her oatmeal --- making milk with milk and milk powder ---- make

her shakes -----



Avacados if she likes them ----- 



the diea is to keep her nutrition up but add in alot of extra calories and so

long as theres no reason not to -- FAT







Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





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From: astarte@sover.net (Siobhan Perricone)

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Subject: *sigh* Black fly bites, really painful

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Anyone have a poultice/ointment/clue about how to relieve the pain and

suffering from black fly bites?  I've got five, count 'em, FIVE bites in

various locations (one on my cheekbone that's causing  a lot of jaw pain).

I tried meat tenderizer with papaya in it, hoping it would help break down

the proteins from the toxin, but the salt in the tenderizer (isn't that a

little ironic, putting SALT in a meat tenderizer?) really stung badly, so I

couldn't leave it on very long.  It did seem to help, though.  I wondered

if I could make something from a real papaya... anyway, they are swollen,

itchy, and painful.  I've been using Caladryl to ease the itching, but it's

hardly efficacious at all.  Please, lemme know if you have any ideas.  My

last bite was painful and yucky for two weeks, i don't wnat to go through

this for two weeks.



-- 

Siobhan Perricone

The problem with rapier wit is someone 

is always willing to use a rapier on

you for it.



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Does anyone know a reliable source for getting Bitter-C?  I can't find any

posts related to it, so I thought I would ask here.  Thanks for your help.



Amy



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> Subject:      HERBAL REMEDIES TO ANYTHING.. even PREGNANCY

> From:         luvdove6 (Luvdove6)Date:         1998/05/02

> Message-ID:   <1998050218394200.OAA16905@ladder03.news.aol.com>

> Newsgroups:   alt.folklore.herbs



> If anyone needs an herbal remedy...   please email me... I have been using

> herbs for every problem I have had.. even pregnancy...  ~Luvdove6~



Herbal remedies are wonderful for many things that tax and bring about

physical ailments to the human (and animal) body, but certainly not

everything.  If one were to catch a cold there are a number of botanicals

that would be beneficial.  If one were to get hit by a speeding truck, an

emergency room to a hospital is preferred over an herb!  We must use common

sense and utilize "alternative" remedies when called for, and "traditional

western" medicine when called for.  A wise person stikes a good balance

between the two!

______________________________

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From annawolf@msn.com Thu May 28 03:04:48 1998

From: "Anna Wolf" <annawolf@msn.com>

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    I have been taking several different herbs and suppliments for my

RA(rheumatoid arthritis) for over 2 years.  If I ran out of, grapeseed

extract, for example, I noticed my sense of well being deminished until I

got a new supply. So, I know the herbs are making a difference.

    To the point:  When I increased my evening primrose oil to five 500mg

dose with each meal, my joints shrank down the next day to normal--meaning,

no marshmallow-like swelling anymore--and the joints have stayed

normal-looking ever since. I still do, however, have tendonitis left over

from the RA, and any suggestions on herbs for it would be appreciated.  I

take fibromyalgia suppliments (malic acid & magnesium).

    The reason I decided to increase the EPO was from research I've done on

the net, and from encyclopedia info on RA and prostaglandins.  The EPO was

touted in a blurb I read somewhere that it benefits the "beneficial"

prostaglandins better than other omega-3 products.

    Since the "bad" prostaglandin that was causing my immune system to

create the RA, I decided to try balancing out the lopsided presence of

prostaglandins in my system by increasing my dose of EPO.

    It has helped me tremendously.  If a dr or other health professional

reads this, I hope you suggest that your clients try a higher dose of EPO.

It works for me, but I don't know if it will for others yet.

Anna Wolf









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Med Hypotheses 1987 Aug;23(4):409-415

Is multiple sclerosis the equivalent of Parkinson's disease for noradrenaline?

Berne-Fromell K, Fromell H, Lundkvist S, Lundkvist P

Arnica Sjukard AB, Linkoping, Sweden.

We have found that increasing noradrenaline (NA) levels through the use of

antidepressants and 1-dopa has effects on the symptoms of MS. On these grounds

we wish to present a hypothetical basis of multiple sclerosis and discuss

support found in the literature. The hypothesis is that in MS there is a

deficiency of NA in the synapses of the nervous system and an interruption of

impulse transmission. An interruption of sufficient intensity and duration

will lead to axon damage and secondary demyelination.



Is there a way to naturally increase levels of noradrenaline?  Anyone???





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Hey!  I've got a problem with some stray cat that keeps coming around

and spraying and meowing.  He's just irritating!  Does anyone know of

anything to repel the cat, but not hurt him.  He's a nuisance but I

don't want to hurt him.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thank you!



Cristina C.



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Christina:



You might try locating some wolf urine. They sell this mailorder too, I

believe. There are more exotic ones for sale. If this sounds too

extreme, take the cat to a local animal shelter, or have them come and

collect it.



-Val



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Christina C wrote:

> 

> Hey!  I've got a problem with some stray cat that keeps coming around

> and spraying and meowing.  He's just irritating!  Does anyone know of

> anything to repel the cat, but not hurt him.  He's a nuisance but I

> don't want to hurt him.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thank you!

> 

> Cristina C.



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Christina C wrote in message

<6kipsk$qoh$1@newsd-134.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Hey!  I've got a problem with some stray cat that keeps coming around

and spraying and meowing.  He's just irritating!  Does anyone know of

anything to repel the cat, but not hurt him.  He's a nuisance but I

don't want to hurt him.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thank you!



Cristina C.



You might want to try spraying him with water when he comes around. I use

one of those "Super Soaker" types of squirt guns. They can be had just about

anywhere kids toys are sold and shoot pretty accurate to about 30 feet or

so. After a few "cold showers" most cats learn not to be so annoying. Hope

that helps ;-)

--

BioLifeplus Nutrition

Nutrition for the New You!



For more information about nutritional supplements

visit our website at: http://www.biolifeplus.com









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green74@webtv.net (Christina C) wrote:



>Hey!  I've got a problem with some stray cat that keeps coming around

>and spraying and meowing.  He's just irritating!  Does anyone know of

>anything to repel the cat, but not hurt him.  He's a nuisance but I

>don't want to hurt him. 



  Your house and yard is part of his territory - the pspraying

and yowling are part of the ritual if patrolling it.

  Check with yout local human society about a "catch and release"

program for strays.  They will trap him in a live trap, neuter

him (gets rid of much of the spraying and yowling) and release

him back into the neighborhood.

  Several cities have these programs: a small population of

healthy, neutered cats living wild is better than an uncontrolled

population of breeders.



  Repellents - water, if you can squirt him.  Strong mint or

citrus smells might do it.







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Christina C wrote:



> Hey!  I've got a problem with some stray cat that keeps coming around

> and spraying and meowing.  He's just irritating!  Does anyone know of

> anything to repel the cat, but not hurt him.  He's a nuisance but I

> don't want to hurt him.  Any help would be appreciated.  Thank you!

>

> Cristina C.



  My cats won't come near me after I've sprayed with my insect repellent:

pennyroyal oil in alcohol. May not last long, but worth a try.

shalom

Mark





From greenslug@NOSPAMolywa.net Thu May 28 08:40:31 1998

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Greetings to all!



I am wondering if anyone can tell me if blackberry leaves are edible

or if they have any medicinal value? If so, when is the best time to

harvest them, and best way to prepare them? 



I have a TON of them growing in my backyard, and it only recently

occured to me that perhaps I could harvest them and use them somehow. 



Thank you so much for any help!



Cindy 



From willgee@earthlink.net Sat May 30 02:14:55 1998

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From: glen black <willgee@earthlink.net>

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Blackberry leaves and root,according to Culpeper, is useful in cases of

simple diarrhea..I've used the leaves as a natural dyestuff for coloring

wool yarn, makes a range of olives and grays with various mordants.

Bye..willgee



From dataking@aol.com Thu May 28 09:57:22 1998

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Does anyone have any info on how to go on a safe fast to try to lose weight?

please email dataking@aol.com



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fasting is generally a wayt o detox as opposed to losing weight



most of the weight you lose is retained water and extended fasts of below 1200

Calories per day will simply succeed in slowing yr metabolism



However if youre looking for a way to detox and lose weight ---



eating a diet of raw fruits and veggies (as well as fresh juice0 lots of water

etc. cant hurt you (just make sure u take a good supplement to avoid vit b and

mineral deficiencies)



Keep track of what youre eating make sure to exceed the 1200 C mark dont fry

the veggies in oil etc. 



the one drawback to this is once u reintroduce other foods into your diet u may

realize that u have a sesetivity to them that u never realized (ie dairy)



Wishing u Health









Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more





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Hi Everyone..



Perhaps you know of NORA (the Natural Oils Research Association) 

Well this is to announce the official opening of the Web site

http://www.acemake.com/NORA/  

And

That there are only a very few places left on the Purdue University

course 

"An International Training Program in Essential Oils: Advanced Studies"

                       June 21-27, 1998

      Sponsored by the: Center for New Crops and Plant Products

            Purdue University, West Lafayette, Indiana

              The National Resources Institute, UK

                           and NORA



see the site for details

If you cannot get to the site e-mail me and I will send you the details

and also details of joining NORA. I am now the admin Rep for the UK.









Remove the "rotweiler" spam guard dog from my address to send to me

personally





NON-commercial websites

-- 

Graham Sorenson

The Guide to Aromatherapy and nearly 600 links to other Aromatherapy sites

Hundreds of links to alternative health sites http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/

NEW! The Natural Oils Research Association site http://www.acemake.com/NORA/



From jsmith@space.net.au Thu May 28 11:33:41 1998

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From: "Joanna" <jsmith@space.net.au>

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Subject: Re: Allergic Dog

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Don't discard Prednisone altogether. My dog has had a problem with

allergies all his life. Without pred, his life is appalling, itching

and scratching, licking etc etc. He has been on pred for

approximately 10 years. In that time the dosage has been weened to

the absolute minimum - a quarter of a tab every second day. This is

very little and keeps the itches at bay. When he was put on it, I

was told that it would cause many problems and looked around for

alternatives to no avail. He is now 15 years old and as well as

helping the itches, it helps his arthritis. In short - it may not be

as bad as you think and in the long run, I believe in quality of

life for my pet which isn't possible when he's not on pred. BTW, his

kidneys' liver etc are fine even after all this time on the

medication.



Joanna

Bonnie wrote in message

<01bd88a6$63db3160$0504bacc@dreyfus1.ptdprolog.net>...

:First I would like to thank everyone who responded to my post on

:Menopause.I received lots of info that I will keep at hand  and use

if

:needed.

:

:Now I have a dilemma with my 3 yr. old German Shepherd.  He's

allergy prone

:and is taking allergy shots since last year.We had the shots up to

one a

:month till this Spring now we're back to every other week,plus in

between

:he takes Atarax and still he is a mess scratching and chewing.

:When he first started with allergies and we were waiting for the

vaccine,

:the vet put him on predisnone.This eliminated the itching

completely.But

:Pred. only masks the problem and creates worse problems later.I

read an

:article a while back about Licorice root as an alternative to

steroids.

:Has anyone out there ever tried it or does anyone have any other

:suggestions?

:I DO NOT want to put him back on pred.We are bathing in cool Aveeno

baths

:and soaking his feet in epsom salts which do help temporarily.

:

:Sorry for the long post.

:Bonnie

:dreyfus1@ptd.net





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From: "enchant" <enchant@eisa.net.au>

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Subject: Tribulus terrestris

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Dear Group,



Can anyone tell me of any research and publications/reports

that have been carried out on "Tribulus terrestris"



Thank you and Kind regards,



SJ.  Noonan



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Hi,



For Blackberries the leaves, fruits and bark can be used.  The leaves are good

for mucus discharge, fever, cold and sore throats.  For these purposes use a

standard infusion of the leaves...one ounce leaves to one pint boiling water

cover and steep 5-10 minutes.



The best time of day to harvest  is either early morning and late evening.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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From: Liz Hanson <liz@zylanid.demon.co.uk>

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In article <Pine.GSO.3.96.980530103108.28149C-100000@jove.acs.unt.edu>,

Gene Bilney <gb0001@jove.acs.unt.edu> writes

>> For Blackberries the leaves, fruits and 

>bark can be used.  





>> ------

>> Who is going to peel blackberry canes?!

>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>

>

I would volunteer!  After years of getting scratched when picking

blackberries, revenge would be almost as sweet as the fruit.  Getting my

thickest gloves on...

-- 

Liz Hanson



From greenslug@NOSPAMolywa.net Sun May 31 06:25:24 1998

From: greenslug@NOSPAMolywa.net (Cindy)

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On 28 May 1998 13:57:51 GMT, redwitch04@aol.com (RedWitch04) wrote:



>Hi,

>

>For Blackberries the leaves, fruits and bark can be used.  The leaves are good

>for mucus discharge, fever, cold and sore throats.  For these purposes use a

>standard infusion of the leaves...one ounce leaves to one pint boiling water

>cover and steep 5-10 minutes.

>

>The best time of day to harvest  is either early morning and late evening.

>Beth

>The Truth is Out There





Thank you for this information. 



Is there a preferable time of season to harvest the leaves, say, the

young leaves on the new vines vs. the older leaves or after the

berries are ripe? 



Sincerely,

Cindy



From swa@rockymountnc.com Thu May 28 16:57:56 1998

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Most everyone, as he becomes middle-aged, gets a few moles that enlarge

into little fleshy spots. What have you folks discovered about getting rid

of them, short of going to the doctor and having them removed with squirts

of liquid nitrogen?



-- 



Stephen W. Anderson in Rocky Mount, NC

(To reply or mail, change the left side of the header address from "aws" to

"swa".)





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Stephen W. Anderson wrote:

> 

> Most everyone, as he becomes middle-aged, gets a few moles that enlarge

> into little fleshy spots. What have you folks discovered about getting rid

> of them, short of going to the doctor and having them removed with squirts

> of liquid nitrogen?

> 

> --

> 

> Stephen W. Anderson in Rocky Mount, NC

> (To reply or mail, change the left side of the header address from "aws" to

> "swa".)



If it's a new mole just coming in, apply Hydrogen Peroxide. It should

vanish in a few weeks with daily use. Older moles take much, much longer

to leave, if at all... Remember to look for the warning signs of cancer

with moles. When in doubt, see the doc!



  Regards,

Prof. Zooks



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Does anyone know of  herbs that should never be taken in combination for

reasons such as countereffectiveness, ineffectiveness, or even adverse

effects on the body?



From ???@??? Thu May 28 18:26:43 1998

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My niece has just discovered she is pregnant and has had a recent pap smear

with a moderate to severe reading. The doctor said they cannot further her

treatment unless she miscarries. My niece has been having cramps and has had

a recent miscarriage. She does not want to loose the baby and my question is

" What natural (herbal) things can she safely take to help with the

dysplasia?". The doctor would remove the abnormal cells if she was not

pregnant.  She will not consider an abortion, and that is fine, but the

pregnancy may add to the growth of the pre-cancerous cells because of the

hormones.  We are aware of some herbs that are anti-cancer, but not sure

which ones would be safe when pregnant, and which ones are the best to take.

Thank you for any and all input.   Auntie







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My niece has just found out she is pregnant and has just had a moderate to

severe pap smear reading.... dysplasia. The doctor cannot treat her or do

any further tests cause of the pregnancy. The baby is wanted and the doctor

said because she is cramping that she may miscarriage. My question is "what

herbs are safe to take when pregnant that are anti-cancerous?".  Thank you,

Auntie.







From jamie@bozo.local.net Thu May 28 23:17:20 1998

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Preferred Customer <@www.starkcounty.com> wrote:

>My niece has just found out she is pregnant and has just had a moderate to

>severe pap smear reading.... dysplasia. The doctor cannot treat her or do

>any further tests cause of the pregnancy. The baby is wanted and the doctor

>said because she is cramping that she may miscarriage. My question is "what

>herbs are safe to take when pregnant that are anti-cancerous?".  Thank you,

>Auntie.



Have your niece see if her doctor can do a swab for gardnerella

and similar organisms.  Pregnancy can sometimes cause some of the

normal vaginal organisms to multiply unusually, and gardnerella

is one of the ones that can cause a false severe bad pap smear.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."



From cwa@eatel.net Thu May 28 22:09:36 1998

From: "cwa (Choupique)" <cwa@eatel.net>

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Brian,



intresting , would you by chance recall the "scientific tag" given to Mamou

is it  native of this region ? or by chance introduced here thru the mixing

of cultures ....



Choupique







BRIAN COMEAUX wrote in message <35719B9A.2D9E@iamerica.net>...

>kikers wrote:

>>

>> I'm into geography and have wondered if there is any link between Mamou,

>> LA and the town of Mamou in Guinea, West Africa.  I believe Guinea was

>> once part of French West Africa.  Any ideas, theories?

>>

>> -Aaron Kiker

>> Spring, TX US

>

>There is a medicinal plant in south Louisiana, called the "Mamou".  You

>make tea with it to cure certain ailments.  Not sure which, since I

>don't use the stuff personally.  Could it be that the plant carries a

>name from a west african tribal language that could explain the names of

>the towns in Louisiana and Africa?

>

>BGC

>nationalist acadien/acadian nationalist

>http://www.cma-la99.com

>Site officiel du Congrs mondial acadien-Louisiane 1999







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Has anyone ever heard of this herb?  What sort of herb is it?  What does

it do?  What properties does it have?

Thank you!

Ann Marie

mailto:amsarra@ptd.net



From derrico@legal.umass.edu Fri May 29 05:58:51 1998

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In article <356DFB66.5F70@ptd.net>, amsarra@ptd.net wrote:



>Has anyone ever heard of this herb?  What sort of herb is it?  What does

>it do?  What properties does it have?

>Thank you!

>Ann Marie

>mailto:amsarra@ptd.net



Stevia is a NATURAL sweetner generally is sold in health-oriented stores

in its natural form of cut/sifted leaves.  These can be made into a tea

base and then used to sweeten bakery goods.  I work at a food cooperative

in western massachusetts and carry it in our "bulk" section of herbs and

medicinals.  Herbs that are not able to be purchased locally are usually

found through one of the larger herb houses, in my case I use Frontier

Herbs which is also a cooperative located in Norway, Iowa.  It's natural,

it's safe and quite delicious.  Currently a product called Estevia is

being produced by the Sarken Corp. out of Tempe, Arizona.  



Good health to you.

Angela Taylor

-- 

Peter d'Errico   tel: 413-545-2003    fax: 413-545-1640

Legal Studies Faculty   email: derrico@legal.umass.edu

University of Massachusetts, Amherst MA 01003 USA

WWW: http://www.umass.edu/legal/derrico



From redwitch04@aol.com Fri May 29 18:02:48 1998

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>Has anyone ever heard of this herb?  What sort of herb is it?  What does

>it do?  What properties does it have?

>Thank you!

>Ann Marie



You might want to go to dejanews...www.dejanews.com and try looking up the past

posts under "natural sweetners" and I think there was another one called

"stevia" recently.



Anyway, it's an herbal sugar substitue, it's main ingredient is called

stevoside.  You can find this herb on some websites and in some herbal

books...in the books it's usually referred to as Sweet Herb or Honey

Leaf...when using the books check to make sure it gives the name of Stevia

rebaudiana to be sure it's not another herb with the same common name.



You can use the leaves in cooking and baking or to sweeten anything you like. 

According to reports I've read Stevia tea is actually supposed to help control

blood glucose levels...especially helpful to diabetics.



You can check out these websites for more information.

http://www.healthfree.com/stev/ifc.htm

http://res.agr.ca/lond/pmrc/faq/stevia.html

http://www.herbs.org/index.html

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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Somewhere there has been mention of stevia lately, I think as a

sweetener. Ask around healthfood stores. willgee



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Has anyone here harvested or used Valerian medicinally?  Have some big

plants here and would like advice.

Thanks



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John,



I have. =) Make sure when you're harvesting herbs (especially in the

wild) that you make 100% sure you are getting what you're looking for.

Many plants can look alike. An example is skullcap. There are a few

which are grown in rock gardens, but not used medicinally. Be sure the

valerian you're harvesting is:



Valeriana officinalis



If you'd like more info on effects, or anything else regarding valerian,

lemmie know.



-Val



====-*

NO SPAM!

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John J. Kriz wrote:

> 

> Has anyone here harvested or used Valerian medicinally?  Have some big

> plants here and would like advice.

> Thanks



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>Has anyone here harvested or used Valerian medicinally?  Have some big

>plants here and would like advice



Hi,



I have harvested my own.  Use the roots..dry and powder them...this can then be

used in a rather foul tasting tea or put into capsules.  On the whole I find it

easier to use the capsules bought in the store...saves me from destroying a

beautiful plant in my garden.  I also love to have the fresh cut flowers in the

bed room..the scent is wonderful and usually is enough to calm and relax me

enough to get to sleep.



If you need more detailed information e-mail me and I'll walk you through it.

Beth

The Truth is Out There



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Hi all! I harvest my own Valerian officiallis in the fall when the plant dies

back but the ground isn't frozen yet. I dig up the root,shake off the dirt and

wait a day or two to get the rest off using a small brush. then I chop it up

and put it in a canning jar and fill w// 100 proof vodka and let it sit for at

least 6 weeks..shaking occaissionally.Strain and bottle..much more cost

effective, it is something you grew and harvested, and you know exactly what

you are getting!!! Much info on this herb to help you out.

This is a good site here...check out the tincture section......lists in detail

what you need to do. Have fun and feel great knowing you are making and

harvesting you own herbal preperations!!

http://www.wildroots.com/herbal.htm

   and another good one

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/



Happy herbing!!!!! Marianne



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I am having serious energy loss.

What would be the most effective way to increase my energy levels and

metabolism?

Thank-You.







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"SLC" <slc@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote:



>I am having serious energy loss.

>What would be the most effective way to increase my energy levels and

>metabolism?



  It's impossible to tell if the energy loss is due to a bad

lifestyle or a medical problem (high blood pressure, diabetes,

cancer, pernicious anemia ... some serious stuff starts out as

"tired").



  Go get a good physical, and if there is nothing medically

wrong, try getting more sleep, eat a balanced diet, and get

moderate exercies ... give that a try for about 6 months and

yuo'll probably feel much better.



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See a doctor?  Find out if you have diabetes, thryoid disease,

congestive heart failure, blocked veins, any other problems?  Then

come back and tell us what the MD told you?







On Thu, 28 May 1998 20:43:20 -0700, "SLC" <slc@mb.sympatico.ca> wrote:



>I am having serious energy loss.

>What would be the most effective way to increase my energy levels and

>metabolism?

>Thank-You.

>

>



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli



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Can anybody provide first hand info on Hylands bed wetting tablets?  I want

to try them on my 9yr. old.





From NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net Fri May 29 09:09:45 1998

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Greetings!



My husband has recently been diagnosed with bi-polar 2 disorder. (The

"2" just means he's not as severely manic or severely depressed as

this disease CAN be).

Okay, first of all we changed his diet to get rid of all the

additives, etc. As well as increased his intake of salmon, turkey and

lots of fresh veggies and fruits.

Having done that he DOES feel better internally. BUT...there seems to

be little or no benefits to his manic-depression.

He needs help.  I hope to find it for him in an herbal infusion or

decoction.  Does anyone know of an herb or herb combination that has

been used to fight manic-depression with success?

Incidently, he has tried St. John's Wort with no success for the

depression.

Please help.  It's terrible to see the suffering he goes through every

day.

Kinda desperate,

Please reply quickly.



Thank You in Advance for any advice offered.



CYA!



Krista Fraser,

Email: frasers@surenet.net





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Hi



I dont know of any herbs..but I did see a thing on tv the other day that

was about depression, or seasonal depression..is bi-polar the same as this?



The treatment was using lights, (like the type that you get a fake suntan

with) each day or anti depressants or therapy..



anyway..just a thought, sorry if i have the wrong idea!



Stacey



A.Stephen Fraser <NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net> wrote in article

<356e50ee.215128628@news.surenet.net>...

> Greetings!

> 

> My husband has recently been diagnosed with bi-polar 2 disorder. (The

> "2" just means he's not as severely manic or severely depressed as

> this disease CAN be).

> Okay, first of all we changed his diet to get rid of all the

> additives, etc. As well as increased his intake of salmon, turkey and

> lots of fresh veggies and fruits.

> Having done that he DOES feel better internally. BUT...there seems to

> be little or no benefits to his manic-depression.

> He needs help.  I hope to find it for him in an herbal infusion or

> decoction.  Does anyone know of an herb or herb combination that has

> been used to fight manic-depression with success?

> Incidently, he has tried St. John's Wort with no success for the

> depression.

> Please help.  It's terrible to see the suffering he goes through every

> day.

> Kinda desperate,

> Please reply quickly.

> 

> Thank You in Advance for any advice offered.

> 

> CYA!

> 

> Krista Fraser,

> Email: frasers@surenet.net

> 

> 



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"Stacey" <minew@hotmail.com> wrote:



>I dont know of any herbs..but I did see a thing on tv the other day that

>was about depression, or seasonal depression..is bi-polar the same as this?



>The treatment was using lights,



  That's "seasonal affective disorder" - depressed because of

lack of suficient light.  Not the same.



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A friend of mine has this same condition and she found a lot of information

on the internet about it plus an email list of other sufferers.  They share

information on the condition.  She is on meds from a therapist though. 

Your husband might like to get on the bipolar list.

-- 

Carol ... Things that irritate a sane person...

*** You open a can of soup and the lid falls in. ***

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*



 

: My husband has recently been diagnosed with bi-polar 2 disorder. (The

: "2" just means he's not as severely manic or severely depressed as

: this disease CAN be).

:



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NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net (A.Stephen Fraser) wrote:



>He needs help.  I hope to find it for him in an herbal infusion or

>decoction.  Does anyone know of an herb or herb combination that has

>been used to fight manic-depression with success?

  How about a mineral?  It's called lithium.  I don't know of any

herbs that are effective against BPD.



>Incidently, he has tried St. John's Wort with no success for the

>depression.

  The depression that is helped by SJW has a different

biochemical balance than the depression of BPD.



>Please help.  It's terrible to see the suffering he goes through every

>day.

  What did his doctor prescribe?



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Perhaps you are fundametally opposed to the often-effective

pharmaceutical drugs which can be used to treat bipolar disorder.

However, herbal drugs (that's all they are) are just as risky.  Often,

bipolar disease responds very poorly to use of an anti-depressant alone,

for example, so it's no wonder St. John's Wort, a pea-shooter

anti-depressant at best compared to SSRIs like Prozac, didn't help.  Taken

during a manic phase, it might make things worse.  If he hasn't already,

your husband should at least consider a careful and conservative approach

to the disease through a standard drug regimen (lithium, zyprexa, an SSRI

anti-depressant) in consultation with a psychiatrist who *specializes* in

bi-polar disease.  I know many people who hae had their lives saved by

these drugs.



In addition to the diet changes, some bipolar patients get great benefits

out of rigorous exercise regimes.  



AF



Disclaimer: I am not a doctor, and this is advice based on personal

experience only.  Consult your own doctor at once if you suspect a health

problem.





On Fri, 29 May 1998, A.Stephen Fraser wrote:



> Greetings!

> 

> My husband has recently been diagnosed with bi-polar 2 disorder. (The

> "2" just means he's not as severely manic or severely depressed as

> this disease CAN be).

> Okay, first of all we changed his diet to get rid of all the

> additives, etc. As well as increased his intake of salmon, turkey and

> lots of fresh veggies and fruits.

> Having done that he DOES feel better internally. BUT...there seems to

> be little or no benefits to his manic-depression.

> He needs help.  I hope to find it for him in an herbal infusion or

> decoction.  Does anyone know of an herb or herb combination that has

> been used to fight manic-depression with success?

> Incidently, he has tried St. John's Wort with no success for the

> depression.

> Please help.  It's terrible to see the suffering he goes through every

> day.

> Kinda desperate,

> Please reply quickly.

> 

> Thank You in Advance for any advice offered.

> 

> CYA!

> 

> Krista Fraser,

> Email: frasers@surenet.net

> 

> 

> 





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Aaron Andrew Fox (aaf19@columbia.edu) wrote:

: for example, so it's no wonder St. John's Wort, a pea-shooter

: anti-depressant at best compared to SSRIs like Prozac, didn't help.  Taken

	

	The mechanism of SJW's action is essentially identical to 

Prozac.  Do you call it a pea-shooter because it isn't as potent or 

because the selectivity is different?

						_Alex



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Both.  In any case, as I understand it, the "mechanism" of SJW is not

that well understood. Can you point me to any studies which document the

claim that it is "essentially the same" as an SSRI?  Also, as I understand

it, SJW has not been directly compared to SSRI anti-depressants in a

clinical trial (although people keep saying it has been on the

newsgroups). The oft-cited German study (I think) compared it to tricyclic

anti-depressants, which is like comparing a 1979 Ford to a Model T

rather than to an 1998 Acura.  Finally, the dosage and formualtion of SJW

is not standardized very accurately.  You can buy it in amany different

unregulated and non-standardized forms, and these forms recommend many

different dosages, courses, etc.



AF



On 29 May 1998, Jason Alex Shull wrote:



> Aaron Andrew Fox (aaf19@columbia.edu) wrote:

> : for example, so it's no wonder St. John's Wort, a pea-shooter

> : anti-depressant at best compared to SSRIs like Prozac, didn't help.  Taken

> 	

> 	The mechanism of SJW's action is essentially identical to 

> Prozac.  Do you call it a pea-shooter because it isn't as potent or 

> because the selectivity is different?

> 						_Alex

> 

> 





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SJW's  function is probably closer to MAOIs than SSRIs.

People who get results have generally determined what dosage is right for them.

Lots of people claim to have been taking it for years without side effects.

If they think it helps - it helps.

It won't help Bipolar I or II    -   i've not seen claims for that anywhere.

The studies must be on the web  -  check the European sites.

DJ



Aaron Andrew Fox wrote:



> Both.  In any case, as I understand it, the "mechanism" of SJW is not

> that well understood. Can you point me to any studies which document the

> claim that it is "essentially the same" as an SSRI?  Also, as I understand

> it, SJW has not been directly compared to SSRI anti-depressants in a

> clinical trial (although people keep saying it has been on the

> newsgroups). The oft-cited German study (I think) compared it to tricyclic

> anti-depressants, which is like comparing a 1979 Ford to a Model T

> rather than to an 1998 Acura.  Finally, the dosage and formualtion of SJW

> is not standardized very accurately.  You can buy it in amany different

> unregulated and non-standardized forms, and these forms recommend many

> different dosages, courses, etc.

>

> AF

>

> On 29 May 1998, Jason Alex Shull wrote:

>

> > Aaron Andrew Fox (aaf19@columbia.edu) wrote:

> > : for example, so it's no wonder St. John's Wort, a pea-shooter

> > : anti-depressant at best compared to SSRIs like Prozac, didn't help.  Taken

> >

> >       The mechanism of SJW's action is essentially identical to

> > Prozac.  Do you call it a pea-shooter because it isn't as potent or

> > because the selectivity is different?

> >                                               _Alex

> >

> >







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<FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">SJW's&nbsp; function is probably closer to

MAOIs than SSRIs.</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">People who get results have generally

determined what dosage is right for them.</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">Lots of people claim to have been taking

it for years without side effects.</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">If they think it helps - it helps.</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">It won't help Bipolar I or II&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

-&nbsp;&nbsp; i've not seen claims for that anywhere.</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">The studies must be on the web&nbsp; -&nbsp;

check the European sites.</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">DJ</FONT>



<P>Aaron Andrew Fox wrote:

<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>Both.&nbsp; In any case, as I understand it, the

"mechanism" of SJW is not

<BR>that well understood. Can you point me to any studies which document

the

<BR>claim that it is "essentially the same" as an SSRI?&nbsp; Also, as

I understand

<BR>it, SJW has not been directly compared to SSRI anti-depressants in

a

<BR>clinical trial (although people keep saying it has been on the

<BR>newsgroups). The oft-cited German study (I think) compared it to tricyclic

<BR>anti-depressants, which is like comparing a 1979 Ford to a Model T

<BR>rather than to an 1998 Acura.&nbsp; Finally, the dosage and formualtion

of SJW

<BR>is not standardized very accurately.&nbsp; You can buy it in amany

different

<BR>unregulated and non-standardized forms, and these forms recommend many

<BR>different dosages, courses, etc.



<P>AF



<P>On 29 May 1998, Jason Alex Shull wrote:



<P>> Aaron Andrew Fox (aaf19@columbia.edu) wrote:

<BR>> : for example, so it's no wonder St. John's Wort, a pea-shooter

<BR>> : anti-depressant at best compared to SSRIs like Prozac, didn't help.&nbsp;

Taken

<BR>>

<BR>>&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The mechanism of SJW's action

is essentially identical to

<BR>> Prozac.&nbsp; Do you call it a pea-shooter because it isn't as potent

or

<BR>> because the selectivity is different?

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_Alex

<BR>>

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>bipolar disease responds very poorly to use of an anti-depressant alone,

>for example, so it's no wonder St. John's Wort, a pea-shooter

>anti-depressant at best compared to SSRIs like Prozac, didn't help.  



(jumping in)



I think you may be making a few asumptions here.  There are many types

of antidepressant drugs.  Common classes are the MAOI, the Tri-cyclics

and the SSRIs.  Usually a depression that responds to one of these

types will NOT respond to the others.  So it isn't a matter of the

"strength" of the drug so much as finding out which one is the CORRECT

drug.  If what you really need is a Tri-cyclic, then it's Prozac that

becomes the "pea-shooter".  



The mechanism for St. John's Wort is not well understood, so it

becomes even more difficult to rank it.  Most of the literature I've

read leans towards it being a NSRI.  Prozac is an SSRI - a SPECIFIC

Serotonin Reuptake Inhibitor.  It only affects certain paths of the

reuptake mechanism.  SJW appears to be a NONSPECIFIC Serotonin

Reuptake Inhibitor.  If so, it might be slightly more widely useful -

it might be useful when dealing with more types of malfunctioning

reuptake mechanism.



Since the mechanism for SJW has not been nailed down, one must pretty

much go by trial and error.  For some people it has proven extremely

effective - for others it seems to have been useless.  Most studies

I've seen show SJW to not be effective with =bipolar= depression, just

as the SSRIs are not very effective with bipolar.  



As for strength - dosage is a very difficult subject with all SSRIs.

With Prozac it is not uncommon to go 6 months before noticing the

first changes - and then if the dose is incorrect, it might take

another month or two each time you change the dosage to be sure of how

your body/brain is reacting to the new levels.  The same sort of thing

can happen with other SSRIs such as Zoloft and Paxil, and apparently

the same thing can happen with SJW.





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Aaron Andrew Fox <aaf19@columbia.edu> wrote:

>

>In addition to the diet changes, some bipolar patients get great benefits

>out of rigorous exercise regimes.  

>

>AF

>

>Disclaimer: I am not a doctor, and this is advice based on personal

>experience only.  Consult your own doctor at once if you suspect a health

>problem.



Also, I have heard that bright light therapy (like that used for

Seasonal Depression) is useful in some cases.



Eric





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On 29 May 1998 05:49:00 -0700, 

Tsu Dho Nimh  <abacaxi@hotmail.com > wrote:



>  That's "seasonal affective disorder" - depressed because of

>lack of suficient light.  Not the same.



True SAD is different, but light treatment can have a useful effect 

on a large variety of depressions. The light theropy effects levels 

of melatonin. Actually, suppressing it instead of stimulating it. 

Levels of melatonin can have a powerful inpact on moods. As for 

bi-polar depression, I'd be very cautious treating it with light. 

It may be useful for the depression BUT *may* increase the mania. 

People that have SAD, tend to get hypomanic from getting "too much" 

light. hmmm. Hope I didn't lose ppl on this.



Contrary to what many said here, SJW may actually help bi-polar.

The tricky part is getting the proper dose. I only found what levels

worked and didn't work by systematically using the trail/error method.



Two amino acids that are sometimes used for depression may also help.

The 5-HTP(a potent form of L-tryptophan) I've spoke of here before and 

L-tyrosine might be worth looking into. I think 5-HTP is a better bet. 

(I admit, I'm biased towards 5-HTP. ;)



Like others posted here in this thread, I don't know a reliable herb 

for bi-polar disorders. 



I think someone else posted that exercise is good. I agree. Regular

exercise is good for *all* forms of depression (to the best of my 

knowledge).



Of course these comments should be read as opinions and idependantly 

verified before trying any of my suggestions.



Tim



ps. By all means consult a psychiatrist on all possible treatments

of bi-polar depression.





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Krista, listen to Mike on this one and get your husband to a qualified

pyschiatrist.

Even the milder Bipolar II can wreck his life.  This is not a condition to

experiment with.    Herb tea and aromas are not the way.

Best Regards

Dorothy





>

>

> My husband has recently been diagnosed with bi-polar 2 disorder. (The

> "2" just means he's not as severely manic or severely depressed as

> this disease CAN be).

> Okay, first of all we changed his diet to get rid of all the

> additives, etc. As well as increased his intake of salmon, turkey and

> lots of fresh veggies and fruits.

> Having done that he DOES feel better internally. BUT...there seems to

> be little or no benefits to his manic-depression.

> He needs help.  I hope to find it for him in an herbal infusion or

> decoction.  Does anyone know of an herb or herb combination that has

> been used to fight manic-depression with success?

> Incidently, he has tried St. John's Wort with no success for the

> depression.

> Please help.  It's terrible to see the suffering he goes through every

> day.

> Kinda desperate,

> Please reply quickly.

>

> Thank You in Advance for any advice offered.

>

> CYA!

>

> Krista Fraser,

> Email: frasers@surenet.net







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life.&nbsp; This is not a condition to experiment with.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;

Herb tea and aromas are not the way.</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">Best Regards</FONT>

<BR><FONT FACE="Arial,Helvetica">Dorothy</FONT>

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<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE>&nbsp;



<P>My husband has recently been diagnosed with bi-polar 2 disorder. (The

<BR>"2" just means he's not as severely manic or severely depressed as

<BR>this disease CAN be).

<BR>Okay, first of all we changed his diet to get rid of all the

<BR>additives, etc. As well as increased his intake of salmon, turkey and

<BR>lots of fresh veggies and fruits.

<BR>Having done that he DOES feel better internally. BUT...there seems

to

<BR>be little or no benefits to his manic-depression.

<BR>He needs help.&nbsp; I hope to find it for him in an herbal infusion

or

<BR>decoction.&nbsp; Does anyone know of an herb or herb combination that

has

<BR>been used to fight manic-depression with success?

<BR>Incidently, he has tried St. John's Wort with no success for the

<BR>depression.

<BR>Please help.&nbsp; It's terrible to see the suffering he goes through

every

<BR>day.

<BR>Kinda desperate,

<BR>Please reply quickly.



<P>Thank You in Advance for any advice offered.



<P>CYA!



<P>Krista Fraser,

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As one who has a hereditary chronic mild depression,I've been through

the mill chemically speaking and suffered all the annoying side effects

of conventional meds. Tried SJW for a few months and felt good until I

took a rather severe dip in mood and it didn't do enough. Now I'm using

a new med called Wellbutrin which seems to work and has fewer side

effects. I'd like to not use it but I'd rather not be depressed. Please

don't experiment with lithium on your own. It can reach a toxic level

and destroy kidney function. Bye willgee.



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Yes, the European studies largely compared SJW to tricyclics and not to SSRI's.



However, many believe that SJW may work like an SSRI as well as working via

other mechanisms on other neurotransmitters.  At any rate, SSRI's can swing a

bipolar person into the manic phase.  Several posters that I know well from

other newsgroups actually found that SJW swung their bipolar children into

mania *faster* than prescription anti-depressants.  So, SJW should be used

cautiously with bipolar.



As to pea-shooter, well, SJW worked on my son's major depression (or post

traumatic stress disorder depending on which Dr. you listen to :-) quite well. 

He never needed another medication, even though two different psychiatrists

perscribed a neuroleptic and an SSRI after the trauma he was exposed to

unmasked his TS.  SJW did the job -- so in our house it's not a pea-shooter on

either count (potency or selectivity).  Potency, because it worked on major

depression.  Selectivity, because it seems to work in many ways on many

different neurotransmitters, which is what my son needed.



As to the original poster's question about herbal help for bipolar:  I know of

two people reporting success with grapeseed extract.  One of them reads this

ng, but is not online right now.  I suggest that you re-post the question in

about two weeks, and she might pick it up.  I can't tell you more, but I'm sure

she will.



http://www.primenet.com/~camilla/STJOHNS.FAQ

http://www.eclecticphysician.com/hypericum.shtml#Action/Effects

http://www.geocities.com/SouthBeach/Lagoon/5942/geninfo.htm

http://www.hypericum.com



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On Fri, 29 May 1998 20:40:20 -0500, BluesMa

<2blues17@popd.ix.netcom.com> wrote:



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>Krista, listen to Mike on this one and get your husband to a qualified

>pyschiatrist.

>Even the milder Bipolar II can wreck his life.  This is not a condition to

>experiment with.    Herb tea and aromas are not the way.

>Best Regards

>Dorothy



Hiya.



I'm the guy y'all are talking about.



btw, I am seeing a qualified Psych.  Once every two weeks as a matter

of fact.  I tried Litium and nearly went crazy on it.  Tegretol, same

thing.  Now he has me on Epival, but it's taking a bit of a toll on

me.  Extra sleep, headaches ... mind you, these are better than what

happened on Lithium.



Now here's a question.



I've heard that Marijuana can be of some help in this area.  Is this

complete bull or is there some truth to it?



BiPolar Disorder (and OCD which I also have a mild case of)  is

centered in the same part of the brain that gives rise to epilepsy and

apparently studies have been done that show some epilepsy can be

controlled by Marijuana.



Comments?





Many well days,



Stephen Fraser

Email: frasers@surenet.net





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Hi Stephen!



Don't know about the marijuana, but I have a few other comments.



You didn't say how long you had been on the new medication, but

something that I noticed when I started meds for this condition is that

it took a while for my body to adjust to getting them.  The first few

weeks that I was on Tegretol I felt like I was crawling out of my skin. 

I had similar problems with the first anti-depressent that I took also. 

I went through every side effect listed in the PDR, one at a time.  Some

lasted for a few days and some for a week or more but they all went

away.  I actually stopped the Tegretol for a week at one point.  What we

learned from this is that I can't just jump right in and start taking

things.  I have to work up to them slowly.  I restarted the Tegretol at

1/4 the regular dosage and leveled off at 3/4 what is considered to be

needed to reach a therapeutic level, and it's working fine.  We did the

same thing when the Effexor that I was taking originally started

producing some really unwanted side effects and I switched to a new

med.  We started at a really low dose and worked our way up. 



I'm not suggesting that you go back to the tegretol or the lithium. 

Don't do anything without talking to your doc, but you might want to

mention this and see if working up to a whole dose over a period of time

doesn't make it easier for you.  I and my kids have experienced the

headaches and sleepies that you described.  I does get better with time

so hang in there.



Best of luck!



Leah



Stephen Fraser wrote:

> 

> On Fri, 29 May 1998 20:40:20 -0500, BluesMa

> <2blues17@popd.ix.netcom.com> wrote:

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> >Krista, listen to Mike on this one and get your husband to a qualified

> >pyschiatrist.

> >Even the milder Bipolar II can wreck his life.  This is not a condition to

> >experiment with.    Herb tea and aromas are not the way.

> >Best Regards

> >Dorothy

> 

> Hiya.

> 

> I'm the guy y'all are talking about.

> 

> btw, I am seeing a qualified Psych.  Once every two weeks as a matter

> of fact.  I tried Litium and nearly went crazy on it.  Tegretol, same

> thing.  Now he has me on Epival, but it's taking a bit of a toll on

> me.  Extra sleep, headaches ... mind you, these are better than what

> happened on Lithium.

> 

> Now here's a question.

> 

> I've heard that Marijuana can be of some help in this area.  Is this

> complete bull or is there some truth to it?

> 

> BiPolar Disorder (and OCD which I also have a mild case of)  is

> centered in the same part of the brain that gives rise to epilepsy and

> apparently studies have been done that show some epilepsy can be

> controlled by Marijuana.

> 

> Comments?

> 

> Many well days,

> 

> Stephen Fraser

> Email: frasers@surenet.net



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In article <35703b33.44555860@news.surenet.net>, Stephen Fraser

<NOSPAMfrasers@surenet.net> writes

>I've heard that Marijuana can be of some help in this area.  Is this

>complete bull or is there some truth to it?

As a borderline BP, I've done some personal extensive reseaerch in to

this.

Marijuana can help in some cases. Best to see a qualified allopathic

doctor that is sympathetic. I know of one case where the doctor has had

to say to the patients mother that nothing he can prescribe can help him

much but as he was using marijuana, keep him on it.

It's unfortunate that the herb is regarded as only a recreational drug.

Bear in mind that the recreational dose is often far higher than the

medicinal dose.

Marijuana essentially promotes a sense of well-being and encourages

sleep (valerian, eat your heart out!) but can increase the pyschotic

tendencies of those succeptable. It also has a huge affect on appetite.

If you use it, your appetite will increase greatly.

Common side effects are paranoia. Short-term memory loss is inevitable

(though it does return). Enhanced hearing/night vision and possible

lethargy are also common. Libido is also reduced. Temporal awareness is

affected, minutes go to hours or vice versa.The doseage needs to be

controlled carefully.

It has a generally calming effect and often removes all aggression.

Why do you think it's use  is "overlooked" by prison authorities?

It's use is not intrinsically dangerous but it's worth pointing out that

it can become psychologically dependant, though not physically.

As it is illegal in many countries, the purity of the drug is a problem.

The active alkaloid is Tetrahydrocannibol (THC). The effects can last

for between four to nine hours.

I have (as mentioned before) seen a marked improvement in bi-polar

patients but each case should be carefully considered.

The danger to me personally, is the "coming down", when I feel more

depressed and suicidal for an hour or two. I get more depressive the

morning after. My moods are more likely to swing from moment to moment.

Don't mix it with caffeine or alcohol (this is the reason for my morinig

after moods). If smoking is out, try it orally.

My mistake is mixing it with alcohol. A No-No. To get back to your

question, it's not bull. Please be careful, though, it's a very active

mind-altering drug and should be used medicinally with caution.



krow

-- 

Krow (krow@mobvus.demon.co.uk) 

Everybody hurts.  Don't throw your hand.  Oh, no.  Don't throw your hand.

If you feel like you're alone, no, no, no, you are not alone

(REM)



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Marijuana can be of help, yes. For exact info, though, I recommend you

try a few of the informational web sites:



http://www.hightimes.com



and others





-Val



=-*

NO SPAM

*-=



> I've heard that Marijuana can be of some help in this area.  Is this

> complete bull or is there some truth to it?

> 

> BiPolar Disorder (and OCD which I also have a mild case of)  is

> centered in the same part of the brain that gives rise to epilepsy and

> apparently studies have been done that show some epilepsy can be

> controlled by Marijuana.

> 

> Comments?

> 

> Many well days,

> 

> Stephen Fraser

> Email: frasers@surenet.net



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Krista,



they're right dear.  I also have bi-polar disorder and clinical

depression on top of it.  My son and daughter are also bi-polar.  I

nearly lost my son to this condition until we found a medication that

worked for him and it took us nearly two years.  I'm currently taking

tegretol, which is a seizure medication that has just now come into use

as a mood stabilizer, and serazone for the depression.  My son is taking

tegretol alone.  I've been this way for most of my life and it was quite

a shock to find out what feeling good, as opposed to hyper, felt like. 

It's made an incredible difference in my life.  I've also seen my son go

in the last year from being a kid who couldn't read, write legibly, or

do math without screaming, crying, and throwing things to someone who is

performing well in school and actually asking for homework.  That wasn't

all due to the meds, mind you, we did some really intense counseling

coupled with placement in a special school situation, but the progress

wouldn't have been possible at all without the stabilizing effects of

the medication.  None of us need suffer from this.  It's wholely my

belief that if used responsibly, herbs and standard pharmaceuticals can

compliment and support each other.



Good Luck! I've been there.



Leah



BluesMa wrote:

> 

> Krista, listen to Mike on this one and get your husband to a qualified

> pyschiatrist.

> Even the milder Bipolar II can wreck his life.  This is not a

> condition to experiment with.    Herb tea and aromas are not the way.

> Best Regards

> Dorothy

> 

> 

> >

> >

> > My husband has recently been diagnosed with bi-polar 2 disorder.

> > (The

> > "2" just means he's not as severely manic or severely depressed as

> > this disease CAN be).

> > Okay, first of all we changed his diet to get rid of all the

> > additives, etc. As well as increased his intake of salmon, turkey

> > and

> > lots of fresh veggies and fruits.

> > Having done that he DOES feel better internally. BUT...there seems

> > to

> > be little or no benefits to his manic-depression.

> > He needs help.  I hope to find it for him in an herbal infusion or

> > decoction.  Does anyone know of an herb or herb combination that has

> >

> > been used to fight manic-depression with success?

> > Incidently, he has tried St. John's Wort with no success for the

> > depression.

> > Please help.  It's terrible to see the suffering he goes through

> > every

> > day.

> > Kinda desperate,

> > Please reply quickly.

> >

> > Thank You in Advance for any advice offered.

> >

> > CYA!

> >

> > Krista Fraser,

> > Email: frasers@surenet.net

> 

>



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[Post attempt #2]



On Fri, 29 May 1998, A.Stephen Fraser wrote:



> Okay, first of all we changed his diet to get rid of all the

> additives, etc. As well as increased his intake of salmon, turkey and

> lots of fresh veggies and fruits.

> Having done that he DOES feel better internally. BUT...there seems to

> be little or no benefits to his manic-depression.

> He needs help.  I hope to find it for him in an herbal infusion or

> decoction.  Does anyone know of an herb or herb combination that has

> been used to fight manic-depression with success?

> Krista Fraser,

> Email: frasers@surenet.net



Krista,



It sounds like your husband has made some wonderful changes related to

food and nutrition (cutting out additives, artificial sweeteners and

flavors, etc.). Such changes can often be a base upon other lifestyle

changes and treatment modalities can very gradually be added. You didn't

mention much about dairy foods. He might consider going light on such

foods and adding green, leafy vegetables. Sometimes supplements can be

helpful, but that's something that your husband can experiment with

himself or get advice from a practitioner. 



I would strongly suggest that rather than experimenting with single-herb

supplements in this case, that your husband see an *experienced* holistic

healthcare professional. For example, several visits to an experienced

Chinese Medicine practitioner/ herbalist in order to get acupuncture

treatments and put together a *customized* herbal formula.

You can find links to experienced holistic practitioners here:



        http://www.holisticmed.com/www/directory.html



A few other things to consider:



1.  A regular meditation practice has been very helpful to a number of

    people I know.  I would strongly consider taking a class.



2.  A regular schedule (work, meals, exercise) and a stable, supportive

    atmosphere at work and home is helpful in creating an situation where

    positive change can more easily take place.



3.  Once you get settled working with an experienced practitioner and

    consider the ideas mentioned above, it is important to consider

    other natural healing modalities which can be enormously powerful in

    changing one's condition.  There are too many possibilities to go into

    here, but by reading about various natural healing modalities on my

    web page and other pages, discussing them with your holistic

    practitioner, and looking within for answers, you and your husband

    may find tools that will help lead to more permanent changes.



Best Wishes,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net



                     Holistic Healing Web Page

                    http://www.HolisticMed.com/







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On 30 May 1998 02:55:56 GMT, 

BlessedBy2  <blessedby2@aol.com > wrote:



>Yes, the European studies largely compared SJW to tricyclics and not to SSRI's.



The biggest difference between the tricyclics and SSRIs is the 

side-effect profile. (Have even discussed this with docs before 

and they agree.) Have personally been on both before too.



>However, many believe that SJW may work like an SSRI as well as working via

>other mechanisms on other neurotransmitters.



Yes. I've heard arguements about this, but haven't seen anything solid 

beyond the MAOI effect. (There is a number of herbs that have this kind

of effect so it's not as special as ppl like to make it.)



>... At any rate, SSRI's can swing a bipolar person into the manic phase.



Ya. Medicating bipolars can be real tricky. I was speaking mainly of 

the "despressive" phase of their cycle. Don't know alot that works for

the "manic" phase. Certainly nothing that works for everyone.







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On Fri, 29 May 1998 23:10:09 +0000, 

glen black   <willgee@earthlink.net> wrote:



>... Now I'm using a new med called Wellbutrin which seems to work and 

>has fewer side effects. 



Really isn't new, if you meant new on the market. Pretty much in a 

class by itself. Usually only used as a last resort, because it can 

cause nasty seizures. I hope your doctor discussed the risk of that 

happening with you.



>... Please don't experiment with lithium on your own. It can reach a 

>toxic level and destroy kidney function.



Theraputic doses are just short of toxic levels. People need to have 

their blood checked regularly while on it. What really flipped me out 

is when I saw one company selling 5-HTP with *lithium* added. Sounded 

like a dangerous thing to add to any OTC product.





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Illustrations are often better than photos if they are done by botanists

because they show the sometimes subtle characters that deliniate a

species. For example, Water hemlock is deadly poison yet grows in vicinity

of other medicinal plants, and it looks very similar. A drawing of the

seed would be very helpful to the person doing the collecting (hand lenses

help too).



On Wed, 27 May 1998, Valerian wrote:



> Kitiara,

> 

> Hey there. Look for meidicinal field guides. Steven Foster has an

> outstanding one, though I don't recall if it was for the northeast, or

> northwest. You may try his page to start:

> 

> http://www.stevenfoster.com

> 

> I'm suprised there aren't more true photo books of medicinal herbs.

> Every year sees the publication of dozens, if not more, herb books.

> Usually these are filled with, you guessed it, boring illustrations.

> 

> -Val

> 

> ====--*





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For the most part, you're correct, and, it was very well put. ;)

However, my main point was that the # of herb books containing

illustrations greatly outnumber ones with herb photos. 



-Val



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Diane Greene wrote:

> 

> Illustrations are often better than photos if they are done by botanists

> because they show the sometimes subtle characters that deliniate a

> species. For example, Water hemlock is deadly poison yet grows in vicinity

> of other medicinal plants, and it looks very similar. A drawing of the

> seed would be very helpful to the person doing the collecting (hand lenses

> help too).

> 

> On Wed, 27 May 1998, Valerian wrote:

> 

> > Kitiara,

> >

> > Hey there. Look for meidicinal field guides. Steven Foster has an

> > outstanding one, though I don't recall if it was for the northeast, or

> > northwest. You may try his page to start:

> >

> > http://www.stevenfoster.com

> >

> > I'm suprised there aren't more true photo books of medicinal herbs.

> > Every year sees the publication of dozens, if not more, herb books.

> > Usually these are filled with, you guessed it, boring illustrations.

> >

> > -Val

> >

> > ====--*



From toth.22@osu.edu Fri May 29 17:59:37 1998

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From: toth.22@osu.edu (Chris Toth)

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Subject: Herb for relaxing during performance

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	Hi folks,



	Our band has it's second performance tomorrow night. The first

performance I took some betablockers, which helped alot.

Unfortunately, I don't have access to any betablockers, so I'd like to

try some herbs. Just something to calm me down so I don't panic and

freak. Any ideas? Would Kava kava or Valerian root work? Or about a

mix?



Thanks!

Chris



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From abacaxi@hotmail.com Sat May 30 15:32:00 1998

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toth.22@osu.edu (Chris Toth) wrote:



>	Our band has it's second performance tomorrow night. The first

>performance I took some betablockers, which helped alot.

>Unfortunately, I don't have access to any betablockers, so I'd like to

>try some herbs. Just something to calm me down so I don't panic and

>freak. Any ideas? Would Kava kava or Valerian root work? Or about a

>mix?

  Try a couple cups of linden-flower tea.  



From castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us Sat May 30 22:48:42 1998

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From: Juli Kight <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us>

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When I need to calm and yet still keep my head and or focus, I use one

"00" Size capsule of kava kava.  So far, all others make me sleepy or

groggy.  This one, I use at work and workouts.

Juli

Herbs For Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com



From mrrogers@igc.apc.org Fri May 29 20:07:58 1998

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From: David Spero <mrrogers@igc.apc.org>

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Dear Herbalists,



A friend of mine in prison sent me a brochure about an herb called Black Seed.   

Apparently, it's a form of black cumin, from Egypt.  The brochure came from a 

company associated with the Nation of Islam, and claims it will boost the

immune system and fight all kinds of diseases.  Apparently, the prophet

Mohammed swore by it.



The biological name is Nigella sativa.  Does anyone have any information on

this herb?  Does it do much?  



Please reply to me by email if possible.  I appreciate any help you can give me.



Thanks in advance,

David  <mrrogers@igc.org>



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Nigella sativa is commonly known as:



Love In The Mist



Here's a small tidbit of info. on it from the Horizon Herbs medicinal

seed catalog:



Love-in-the-Mist............Nigella sativa

Ranunculaceae

----------------------

Annual. The pale blue flowers rest in a cloud of ferny, green leaf. They

make a crowned seedpod which is used in dried arrangements. This seed is

from East India, where the tincture is commonly used for treating

indigestion, appetite loss, fever, and water retention. They make a

decorative sprinkle for cakes and cookies. Contains, "crystalline

nigellone," as well as a wide range of amino acids and essential fatty

acids. LARGE DOSES NOT TO BE USED DURING PREGNANCY. 



Cultivation:



Direct seed in spring, or grow in pots next to the front door. Sow seed

about an inch apart, and do not thin. Grows to 18 inches tall.

100 seeds/pkt $2.25



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David Spero wrote:

> 

> Dear Herbalists,

> 

> A friend of mine in prison sent me a brochure about an herb called Black Seed.

> Apparently, it's a form of black cumin, from Egypt.  The brochure came from a

> company associated with the Nation of Islam, and claims it will boost the

> immune system and fight all kinds of diseases.  Apparently, the prophet

> Mohammed swore by it.

> 

> The biological name is Nigella sativa.  Does anyone have any information on

> this herb?  Does it do much?

> 

> Please reply to me by email if possible.  I appreciate any help you can give me.

> 

> Thanks in advance,

> David  <mrrogers@igc.org>



From willgee@earthlink.net Sat May 30 01:57:45 1998

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I think nigella sativa is commonly called black onion seed in

translation from Hindi..otherwise known as Kalaunji No relation (except

their shape)to onion,obviously.Confusingly..also referred to as black

cumin..because of their shape. But there also is truly a black

cumin,which indeed tastes like cumin as we know it. Nigella is common in

stir fry Indian dishes. Look in an Ayurvedic reference for its medicinal

uses. Hope this is of some use. Glen



From jeanette.gingold@reader'sdigest.com Fri May 29 22:38:05 1998

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I had a sudden eye floater eleven years ago, and it turned out to be from a

retinal angioma, for which I needed cryosurgery (laser surgery not

recommended). Has anyone else had a retinal angioma? I still have heavy

floaters as a result of the angioma and the surgery and wondered if anyone

has had any luck getting rid of them.





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My nephew keeps losin blood and the doctors are givin him we do not know bs

Is there a herb out there to help build blood?

Thank you for your time?







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"Hock" <sheepdog@pacbell.net> wrote:



>My nephew keeps losin blood and the doctors are givin him we do not know bs

>Is there a herb out there to help build blood?

>Thank you for your time?



  The solution is not building more blood - the solution is to

find out why he's losing it.  Normal people don't leak!



  What herbs is he taking now, and what OTC medications? 





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Hello,



	Is there an herb which can be used for acne scars? Thank you





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In article <6kosq4$hfo$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

  jdeaux@hotmail.com wrote:

>

> Our 11 year old daughter has just been diagnosed with JRA. We are relatively

> new to this disease and would appreciate any information on treatments,

> medicines, homeopathic medicines, scams, support groups etc. please reply to

> <tez@traverse.com>. Any and all replies are greatly appreciated.....Thankyou



It is always so sad to read such messages.  There are a number of wonderful

support groups for children (the whole family) diagnosed with arthritis.  JRA

is still the number 1 crippler of children - though it doesn't have to be.

This newsgroup is packed with scams and people selling any number of "cures"

(some of which are too bizzar).  You may want to read the newsgroup

alt.folklore.herbs (just avoid what's obviously commercial) as there are a

number of good postings.  Your doctor will be able to best advise you as to

local support groups.

______________________________

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Aloe_Vera_Studies_Org@msn.com wrote:

 > This newsgroup is packed with scams and people selling any number of

"cures"

> (some of which are too bizzar). 

 

Such as an aloe vera cure????



Heidi



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Greetings,



I've had bad seborheic dermatitis for years, the dermatologist

keeps sticking me on stronger and stronger cortizones, which I

decided I would rather not be using.  About a year ago, I stopped

using them to try alternative therapy, I've been taking heavy doses

of biotin which helped some, the itching has been greatly reduced,

and the patches on my face have gotten smaller.  But, there's still

a lot of thick patches on my scalp, is there some herb I can take, or

something I can rub into the skin that might help?



Thanks.



-- 

> Why am I writing?  Hmm.

Because you have deep-seated feelings of hatred toward the rest of

eumanity, and want us to suffer?



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Again (read acne post) have you tried to find the cause of your dermatitis?

 It may very well be a food allergy. I also had dermatitis along with acne

which has also disappeared since altering my diet!



I know that this is not always the problem, but if it's something you

havent tried it may be worth looking into :-)





Best of Luck



Stacey



aemers19@calvin.edu wrote in article <6kp87j$hj1$1@trellis.wwnet.net>...

> Greetings,

> 

> I've had bad seborheic dermatitis for years, the dermatologist

> keeps sticking me on stronger and stronger cortizones, which I

> decided I would rather not be using.  About a year ago, I stopped

> using them to try alternative therapy, I've been taking heavy doses

> of biotin which helped some, the itching has been greatly reduced,

> and the patches on my face have gotten smaller.  But, there's still

> a lot of thick patches on my scalp, is there some herb I can take, or

> something I can rub into the skin that might help?

> 

> Thanks.

> 

> -- 

> > Why am I writing?  Hmm.

> Because you have deep-seated feelings of hatred toward the rest of

> eumanity, and want us to suffer?

> 



From abacaxi@hotmail.com Sun May 31 15:55:01 1998

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aemers19@calvin.edu wrote:



>Greetings,



>I've had bad seborheic dermatitis for years, the dermatologist

>keeps sticking me on stronger and stronger cortizones, which I

>decided I would rather not be using.  About a year ago, I stopped

>using them to try alternative therapy, I've been taking heavy doses

>of biotin which helped some, the itching has been greatly reduced,

>and the patches on my face have gotten smaller.



Make a strong tea of BORAGE and swab it on the affected areas.

It's a remedy for psoraisis and many kinds of dermatitis.



From jamie@bozo.local.net Sun May 31 19:04:19 1998

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aemers19@calvin.edu <aemers19@calvin.edu> wrote:

>I've had bad seborheic dermatitis for years, the dermatologist

>keeps sticking me on stronger and stronger cortizones, which I

>decided I would rather not be using.  About a year ago, I stopped

>using them to try alternative therapy, I've been taking heavy doses

>of biotin which helped some, the itching has been greatly reduced,

>and the patches on my face have gotten smaller.  But, there's still

>a lot of thick patches on my scalp, is there some herb I can take, or

>something I can rub into the skin that might help?



Years ago I read in a vitamin book that avoiding sugar would

help, and it did seem to always get worse whenever I ate sugary

stuff.  I've been on a low carb diet for over a year, and it's

almost gone except during very stressful times.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."



From hoprow@abts.net Sat May 30 22:16:06 1998

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Does anyone know if Jasmine Tobbaco is the same thing used for Chinenese

Tea? hoprow@abts.net	



LordLamer1 <lordlamer1@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998052519340800.PAA13704@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

> If anyone knows where this is please e-mail me.

> 



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I just got a new plant from my mom, some sort of sage called berggarten.

Anyone ever heard of this? Used this? Is it basically the same as

officinalis?



Thanks.



From rdhack@mail.itiseasy.com Sun May 31 01:05:52 1998

From: "Richard Hackworth" <rdhack@mail.itiseasy.com>

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Greetings,



I would very much like information concerning where I could obtain Ginseng

seeds. live in the east ky area.



Thank you kindly,











From nature@ficom.net Sun May 31 14:52:14 1998

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Richard Hackworth wrote in message <35708300.0@199.103.243.32>...

>Greetings,

>

>I would very much like information concerning where I could obtain Ginseng

>seeds. live in the east ky area.

>



Jim Shrum at jimwhat@aol.com

http://members.aol.com/fun2eat/ginseng.htm

He is in Chattanooga and sells ginseng seeds.



>Thank you kindly,

>

>

>

>







From vdvliert@telusplanet.net Sun May 31 02:25:34 1998

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Subject: acne

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Hi, i was wondering what would be some effective herbs, and vitaims to help

with acne, and to reduce scaring.  Thank you very much, 

p.s < please reply to my e-mail address!!>

vdvliert@telusplanet.net



Jonny



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Why don't you try finding out what causes your acne, I found that my acne

was caused by a wheat/dairy allergy!  My sister has this same problem but

only with dairy food.  Since altering my diet I havent had any problems!



Aloe Vera may be soothing, fresh from the plant !  And I used to also use

Zinc cream too.





Oh..and if you find a cure for scars..Please let me know <g>



jonny <vdvliert@telusplanet.net> wrote in article

<01bd8c21$bed6cec0$bdcad1cc@van-de-vliert>...

> Hi, i was wondering what would be some effective herbs, and vitaims to

help

> with acne, and to reduce scaring.  Thank you very much, 

> p.s < please reply to my e-mail address!!>

> vdvliert@telusplanet.net

> 

> Jonny

> 



From cyli@visi.com Sun May 31 20:57:09 1998

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From: cyli@visi.com

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Not, generally, worth bothering about unless you've got the pizza face

kind of acne.  Then you'll want to see a dermatologist and get the

antibiotics that'll work on it.  Meantime, try Echinicea (sp?) for the

immune system and ignore all the old wives nonsense about scrubbing

enough to be clean (has nothing to do with squeaky clean or dirty

skin) and chocolate and other idiotic stuff.







On 30 May 1998 23:25:34 GMT, "jonny" <vdvliert@telusplanet.net> wrote:



>Hi, i was wondering what would be some effective herbs, and vitaims to help

>with acne, and to reduce scaring.  Thank you very much, 

>p.s < please reply to my e-mail address!!>

>vdvliert@telusplanet.net

>

>Jonny



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli



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I'd like everyone who tinctures, give their opinion on this. Is there a

standard as to the of the % proof you need to use (minimum)? I've read

at least 80proof, while other books say at least 100 proof vodka. I've

tinctured using 80proof many times, couldn't say anything was wrong. The

herbs came out good in the tincture, and the same solution is still good

today (it's been 6+ months since the 1st tincture batch).



-Val



====-*

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> and put it in a canning jar and fill w// 100 proof vodka and let it sit for at

> least 6 weeks..shaking occaissionally.Strain and bottle..much more



From afuex@texas.net Sun May 31 06:08:24 1998

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    I have a sebaceous cyst growing and it seems to be infected.  I'm not

able to get into the doctor until next week late and was wondering if there

is some kind of poultice I could put on it to kind of relieve the

inflammation and infection?







From nature@ficom.net Sun May 31 14:56:28 1998

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Request my June email newsletter for information about home remedies you can

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You do* know that even if properly written up, this study will be

absolutely useless, don't you?  Did your teacher who assigned this

explain to you about controls and variable and all the other ills that

beset polls?



God, I hate school assignment time on the 'Net.





On Fri, 29 May 1998 16:05:12 GMT, Cjames@telplus.net wrote:



>Dietary  Pill Survey

>

>I am a Central High School student, and would appreciate it if you would be so

>kind as to fill this out, Thank You!!

>

>1.  Are you Male/Female?

>

>

>

>2.  How old are you?

>

>3.  What state do you live in?

>

>4.  Do you think diet pills should be on the market for sale, or should they

>be taken off the market?

>

>

>5.  Have you or anyone you know ever used diet pills before?

>

>

>6.  What brand name of diet pill did you or anyone you know of use?

>

>

>

>7.  What is your opinion about the diet pills? Do you think they should be on

>the market or banned? Explain your thoughts.

>

>

>

>

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From ataylor3@mindspring.com Sun May 31 21:43:07 1998

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From: Alan Taylor <ataylor3@mindspring.com>

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Mark Ayash wrote:

> 

>   What can I take daily to help with my sinus problems. they are not

> allergies just stuffy nose and congestion. Thanks   mark



Mark,

	Try a Yoga technique called Neti.  There is a 

very brief description at:

http://www.sangha.demon.co.uk/cleanse.htm





Alan



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Is anyone using herbs and spices to control brontical asthma?



Thanks,

CD







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Greetings.



I have an embarrassing blotch on the bridge of my nose.  Its bothered

me for ages as I've had it since I was a teenager.  I am now

considering laser treatment to get rid of it.  

It is red and rather looks like a spider vein.  Oh the horror!

I know that its the most memorable feature on my face and its been

quite detremental to my self image...I know this sounds rather vain,

but I just hate it when people constantly ask me "What happened to

your nose?"  Arggggggggggghhhhh!!!



I also have freckles there, but they are nothing compared to this.

Any suggestions? 



Thankyou in Advance

CYA!



Krista Fraser,

Email: frasers@surenet.net





