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Subject: Diabetes

From: "Gustl Steiner-Zehender" <boarisch@tc3net.com>

Date: 1 Aug 1998 00:20:18 GMT

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Friends,



Probably heard this many times.  Any herbs or natural remedies for

diabetes?  I have heard of some from South America, but no one seems to

know either the name of the herb, its location or the dosage and usage if

it could be found.



Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.



Please reply to either of the email addresses listed below:



asteine@utoledo.edu

boarisch@tc3net.com



Thank you very kindly,



Gustl

--

Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.

Mitglied - Team AMIGA





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Subject: Re: Diabetes

From: Uncle Greyboots <gmp@argonet.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 13:23:59 BST

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In article <01bdbce3$534e9960$906c43ce@Gustl.utoledo.edu>, "Gustl

Steiner-Zehender" <boarisch@tc3net.com> wrote:

> 

> Friends,

> 

> Probably heard this many times.  Any herbs or natural remedies for

> diabetes? 

               SNIP



Diabetes is a serious condition, and anything you try should be okayed by

your doctor first.

Effectiveness of any herb to help your particular condition would depend on

the kind and severity of your form of diabetes. Blood sugar levels will

always need careful monitoring.



Some herbs that could be helpful because of their blood-sugar-lowering

action:



1) Goat's Rue (Galega officinalis) - enlarges the islets of Langerhands in  

   the pancreas which are responsible for insulin production.

   Take infusion or tincture before meals.

   The Goat's rue can be mixed with stinging nettle and bilberry leaf.



2) Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) - blood-sugar-lowering             

   (hypoglycaemic) herb, has reduced urine sugar levels by 50%.

   Take up to 1g powdered herb after meals or make decoction (boil it up in 

   water).



3) Bilberry (Vaccinium myrtillus) - Hypoglycaemic & increases insulin       

    production.

   Drink an infusion before meals. Good with Goat's Rue & Stinging nettle.



One good dietary tip:



Eat a high fibre diet with plenty of garlic.



--

Lieber Gustl, i stimm mit deiner 'tagline' ganz berein und moecht noch

hinzufueg'n, da es dem Herr g'foit, wenn wia in all'n dingen grosszuegig

san, so wia er a grosszuegig is.

Mach's guat - und liabe griass von am andern boarischn! ;-)









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Subject: Re: Diabetes

From: jacl7@pipeline.com (Jak)

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:31:08 -0500

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>Friends,

>

>Probably heard this many times.  Any herbs or natural remedies for

>diabetes?  I have heard of some from South America, but no one seems to

>know either the name of the herb, its location or the dosage and usage if

>it could be found.

>

>Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.



I have been reading about a Chinese herbal combination called "Yu Xiao

San". It sounds pretty good but have not tried it. Please do your own

research on it, and let me know if it works for you. I have decided to

order some, (the # to order is 1-888-CGC-8805) and give it a try. Use any

good search engine to check out "Chinese herbs" and see what you can find

out about Yu Xiao San.   >>>>>> Jack L.



-- 

Language is a difficult thing to put into words.





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Subject: Re: Diabetes

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:24:28 -0400

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I agree with the previous writer when they say that diabetes is a serious

condition.  I suggest you do a little research on the topic.  Alt-health.com

(www.alt-health.com) has some reviewed articles on diabetes--everything from

the medical view to herbal remedies. There are also news groups

alt.support.diabetes and alt.health.diabetes.  The best thing you could do is

do the research yourself.  Don't let anyone else control your health.



Chip

Vitamin Discount Connection



Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote:



> Friends,

>

> Probably heard this many times.  Any herbs or natural remedies for

> diabetes?  I have heard of some from South America, but no one seems to

> know either the name of the herb, its location or the dosage and usage if

> it could be found.

>

> Any help would be GREATLY appreciated.

>

> Please reply to either of the email addresses listed below:

>

> asteine@utoledo.edu

> boarisch@tc3net.com

>

> Thank you very kindly,

>

> Gustl

> --

> Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.

> Mitglied - Team AMIGA





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Subject: Chastetree seeds are shiny ??

From: peterso@golden.net

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:28:01 GMT

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Hi folks,



I ordered some chastetree seeds (vitex agnus-castus) from Richters.com. The

label says untreated seeds. The seeds themselves look they have been sprinkled

with shaved metal - portions of the seeds are very reflective. Is this normal?

I'm eating the seeds so that's why I want to make sure that nothing been added

in the package, etc.



Any feedback greatly appreciated ...



-- Pete



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Subject: Re: Chastetree seeds are shiny ??

From: wannabe58@NOSPAM.yahoo.com (Solitary1)

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 05:45:28 GMT

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On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:28:01 GMT, peterso@golden.net wrote:



>Hi folks,

>

>I ordered some chastetree seeds (vitex agnus-castus) from Richters.com. The

>label says untreated seeds. The seeds themselves look they have been sprinkled

>with shaved metal - portions of the seeds are very reflective. Is this normal?

>I'm eating the seeds so that's why I want to make sure that nothing been added

>in the package, etc.





I didn't know you could eat the seeds...or that you were supposed to,

for that matter. Thought it was the berries of the tree that were

consumed. Why are you eating them, if I may ask?



Anyway, in regards to your question,  I have ordered chaste tree seeds

before (different company). I am looking at them now. They are dull

and pure black. Nothing reflective about my seeds. Hope this helps.



CM





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Subject: Re: Chastetree seeds are shiny ??

From: peterso@golden.net

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 00:43:30 GMT

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> I didn't know you could eat the seeds...or that you were supposed to,

> for that matter. Thought it was the berries of the tree that were

> consumed. Why are you eating them, if I may ask?

>

> Anyway, in regards to your question,  I have ordered chaste tree seeds

> before (different company). I am looking at them now. They are dull

> and pure black. Nothing reflective about my seeds. Hope this helps.

>

> CM

>



Hi CM,



Thank you very much for your reply. Guess I'll have to do a little more

research as to why my seeds look so shiny. Some of the seeds seem to be

ground up - maybe the insides are shinier and this is what I'm seeing. Dunno.



Anyways, I am in no way an expert on herbs, but I kind of stumbled on this ng

a little while ago and find the general expertise and helpfulness quite

useful. I read a post that said eating the seeds of chastetree has a

libido-reducing effect, which is probably the last thing most people want

seeing how much Viagra is being sold! I find I can think clearer and am more

social, etc, at work, around the house, etc, without hormones preoccupying

(sp?) me, and so far chastetree is doing an amazing job at this. Richter's

catalog says it been used for ages to reduce libido, and apparently that's

how it got it's name. I used to drink a lot and this had the same effect for

me, but obviously drinking has it's problems.



Anyhow, many thanks again for your reply. I guess I could have replied with

a lot fewer words, but I usually sound pretty terse when I do.



Talk to you l8r.



-- Pete



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Subject: Re: Chastetree seeds are shiny ??

From: sunmachin@aol.com (Sunmachin)

Date: 4 Aug 1998 19:36:16 GMT

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That is interesting.  I thought that Vitex was mainly for women.  It works very

well in balancing a woman's hormones and to reduce the libido.  Didn't know it

could work on a man. 



I buy it from the health food store in caplets.  It works that way as well. 





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Subject: Re: English Lavender Cuttings

From: "Kim Triplett" <kardtrip@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 31 Jul 1998 21:31:02 -0400

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I have huge english lavender plants that were bought at least 5 years ago.

The way I propagate them is by division of the mature plants.  This is best

done in the early, early spring when splitting the root and replanting does

not stress the plant as much. Good luck, mine grow like crazy.  Kim









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Subject: Re: English Lavender Cuttings

From: MICAHG@leeds.ac.uk (A.H. Gilmour)

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 09:23:42 +0100 (BST)

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>On Wed, 1 Jul 1998 04:05:24 -0500, Stacey Buckhalter

><pandora@csd.uwm.edu> wrote:

>

>>I read somewhere that Lavender doesn't do well grown from 

seeds, so I have

>>decided to try a cutting. Can anyone give me tips on how 

long I can expect

>>this to take, or how I can tell if it failed?

>>

>>Thanks in advance,

>>Stacey

>>



I've always got seed to germinate, but the plants haven't 

survived when transplanted into the garden.  My latest was 

doing well until a couple of weeks ago, but seems to have 

drowned.  I'll try again next year in a raised bed.



Helen Gilmour

micahg@leeds.ac.uk





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Subject: Re: English Lavender Cuttings

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:41:36 -0400

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A.H. Gilmour wrote in message <6q3s3q$gjo_001@leeds.ac.uk>...

>

>I've always got seed to germinate, but the plants haven't

>survived when transplanted into the garden.  My latest was

>doing well until a couple of weeks ago, but seems to have

>drowned.  I'll try again next year in a raised bed.

>

>Helen Gilmour

>micahg@leeds.ac.uk



Yeah, all lavenders seem to require very well-drained soils, and I've also

been taught they prefer chalky soils (lots of lime - calcium carbonate, so a

rather high pH - and very porous).  Mine seem to do best in pots when I let

them get a little pot-bound.  It's really hard trying to grow them in

Florida - temps in the mid-90's and rain almost every afternoon all summer.

Fungus diseases are the main problem down here, with all the humidity.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: How to prepare Coneflower?

From: Chris Wagoner <cwcrash@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:38:36 GMT

--------

OK so I asked my original simple question and got quite a bit more than I

planned..:)



Which is right?  I guess I will have to do some research myself....



Thanks for all your answers though and I will keep them......



Chris Wagoner



RedWitch04 wrote:



> >And regarding your reference to "The healing power of Echinacea and

> >Goldenseal" - well, I must point out that just being in print is no

> >guarantee of accuracy (as I could quote from a certain reference to Siberian

> >Ginseng... ;-).

>

> This is true and something you might want to consider yourself...just because

> Grieve said so (how many years ago was that anyway???) doesn't necessarily make

> it accurate.

>

> Beth

> The Truth is Out There

> http://members.aol.com/redwita/index.html











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Subject: Re: How to prepare Coneflower?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 07:08:34 GMT

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On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 16:00:00 -0400, "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I believe in long histories of use which have been accurately documented by

>those in direct contact with patients undergoing treatment, and who are able



As far as I know Maude Grieve never did see clients. I know that Paul Bergner

does. I know that Michael Moore sees some few clients, and he gets a lot of his

information indirectly from people who tell him that 'the thing you told me

about a year ago didn't work' or 'that herb was just perfect for this person,

with this collection of symptoms'.



Paul Bergner, by the way, has a webpage with a list of books from practising

herbalists - an interesting collection, you might want to look it over.

http://medherb.com, I believe. No commercial interest on my part.



>to monitor any substances ingested which might have had an effect - long

>histories as in, say, several hundred years or so of such purely anecdotal

>reports.  



So you reject most of the Eclectic texts, and all of the new western herbal uses

- and the Eclectics didn't know about bacteria and were a long cry from modern

physiology ... your approach could -only- make sense in TCM, not in western

herbalism.



>I believe in studies in which any built-in prejudice on the part

>of the researcher is not allowed to interfere with the interpretation of the



So you reject ALL studies, in ALL the modern medicinal journals. There is no

such study in which the researcher bias doesn't show through. Even in a

double-blind study it interferes in the way the basic premise is set up and in

how the result is written up, and in all other research it interferes all the

way.

Which is why research is published; then others can duplicate it and see if they

get the same result. 



But that is nonsensical for most of herbal medicine, as some research should be

done on patients -with- a certain ailment. 

Dry mucosa, eg: in the 1920's the allopathic medical profession wanted to get

rid of herbs, and did research on the mucosal herbs, using the man of the street

for a nice scientific bit of research; they proved that Malva (?I forget exactly

which herb) did nothing for the mucosa. OF COURSE NOT! People need to have DRY

mucosa before Malva (if that was what it was) works. Talk about bias, and this

bias would show through no matter how you set up your study.



>I do NOT believe in books that quote books that quote books - that's dogma,



Funny that you quote Maude then, while rejecting my suggestion to read Paul

Bergner's Echinacea book - Paul talks of his own (and others) experience. 



And how can you believe in TCM? Those books quote books that go back a couple

thousand years, which is far longer than any in western herbalims ...



I agree that you need to know enough in any art to take your sources with a

grain of salt. Nobody is talking about boulders here... but you seem to need a

larger shaker than most.



>believe in mistaking anecdotal stories - as interesting and useful as they



Anecdotes, if many enough, are far better than scientific research, because they

give you details, and can be duplicated by practitioners. 



Also, you know that TCM is based on anecdotes, not scientific research.



>first eliminate the well-known placebo effect, in which someone feels better

>because they believe they should feel better.  Then you must be sure the

>disease or disorder would not have cured itself just as well without using

>the herb.  



Above is quite reductionistic. What about the skill of the healer in selecting

the right plants for the right symptom picture? You have now thrown out all of

homeopathy, all good herbal medicine, including all of TCM ...



>Finally you must eliminate the effects of any and all other herbs

>and medicines the subject may be taking concurrently, otherwise the effect



Which of course is completely impossible, even in the double-blind studies you

so wish for.



>tend to assume that if they get relief it was due to the last thing they

>took, an invalid assumption given the length of time many substances require

>to produce an effect - ESPECIALLY herbs.  



You are quite correct in that. However, how do you propose to change it? If a

herbal practitioner sees the same result in his clients consistently if he adds

this herb to the formula, whereas changes occur slowly if he doesn't, is it due

to this herb or not? THAT is the right way to add knowledge to the art. And THAT

is anecdotal, which you reject out of hand.

Wonder why the professional (western) herbal journals include so many case

studies and so few reports on recent research? Hmmmm...



>And then of course some people believe everything unsubstantiated bit of

>blither they read if it's on the web (when any 12 year old with a brain

>larger than a pea and a few dollars in the pocket can start their own

>website...) including even "highly respected" sites who still knowingly

>publish information which is obviously unedited and which is KNOWN to be

>incorrect, simply because the owners of the sites haven't the time or

>inclination to take responsibility for work published over their own

>names...



So you still go on about me not having time to revise the medicinal herbfaq. You

know it is a community effort, and you have never yet even replied to my

(private) email queries as to whether you would rewrite the entries you so tear

down. That's quite destructive. Why not do something about it instead of just

bitching? Hey Jude, don't make it bad ...



By the way, Echinacea purpurea root -is- used interchangeably with Echinacea

angustifolia/pallida root, by practising herbalists, including me. Fresh or dry.



Which little tidbit may or may not convince you about the bone started this

discussion with.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Use for Rubekia (Black Eyed Susans)

From: Chris Wagoner <cwcrash@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 01:39:47 GMT

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Is there any known healing power or use for Black eyed susans???







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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: "Anna M Wallace" <amwallace@erols.com>

Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 01:12:08 -0400

--------

Been taking for a year ,if there were side affects I would know. I have so

many allergies.

Phyllis McDonald wrote in message <35C2168A.369068F7@mediaone.net>...

>Hi ,I just started taking Ginkgo Biloba yesterday. I would like to hear

>from folks who have been taking this herb with any results? or side

>efffects?  thanks

>









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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com (R. Saylor)

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 12:58:25 GMT

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On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:10:02 -0400, Phyllis McDonald

<phylm@mediaone.net> wrote:



>Hi ,I just started taking Ginkgo Biloba yesterday. I would like to hear

>from folks who have been taking this herb with any results? or side

>efffects?  thanks



I haven't noticed any side effects.



Some people think it causes headaches. I suppose it could conceivably

aggravate migraine, since it is a vasodilator.



Richard S.







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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: Bobby Haynes <bobby@neosoft.com>

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 23:51:17 -0500

--------

R. Saylor wrote:

> 

> On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:10:02 -0400, Phyllis McDonald

> <phylm@mediaone.net> wrote:

> 

> >Hi ,I just started taking Ginkgo Biloba yesterday. I would like to hear

> >from folks who have been taking this herb with any results? or side

> >efffects?  thanks

> 

> I haven't noticed any side effects.

> 

> Some people think it causes headaches. I suppose it could conceivably

> aggravate migraine, since it is a vasodilator.

> 

> Richard S.



I have been taking Ginkgo Biloba and have been having a lot of headaches.

But I'm not sure if it's the Ginkgo, or allergies.  Is there any other

herb that does the same thing as Ginkgo that I might try?



Anne





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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com (R. Saylor)

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 13:45:07 GMT

--------

On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 23:51:17 -0500, Bobby Haynes <bobby@neosoft.com>

wrote:



>I have been taking Ginkgo Biloba and have been having a lot of headaches.

>But I'm not sure if it's the Ginkgo, or allergies.  Is there any other

>herb that does the same thing as Ginkgo that I might try?

>

>Anne



I think Gotu Kola has similar effects.



Richard S.







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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 2 Aug 1998 14:01:16 GMT

--------

R. Saylor (rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com) wrote:

:On Sat, 01 Aug 1998 23:51:17 -0500, Bobby Haynes <bobby@neosoft.com>

:wrote:

:

:>I have been taking Ginkgo Biloba and have been having a lot of headaches.

:>But I'm not sure if it's the Ginkgo, or allergies.  Is there any other

:>herb that does the same thing as Ginkgo that I might try?

:>

:>Anne

:

:I think Gotu Kola has similar effects.

:

:Richard S.

:



Similar, but without the speediness that ginkgo can give one. Nex





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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: "BJF" <doa1@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 6 Aug 1998 02:10:32 GMT

--------





R. Saylor <rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article

<35c40e2f.32623469@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

> On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:10:02 -0400, Phyllis McDonald

> <phylm@mediaone.net> wrote:

> 

> >Hi ,I just started taking Ginkgo Biloba yesterday. I would like to hear

> >from folks who have been taking this herb with any results? or side

> >efffects?  thanks

> 

> I haven't noticed any side effects.

> 

> Some people think it causes headaches. I suppose it could conceivably

> aggravate migraine, since it is a vasodilator.

> 

> Richard S.

> 

> 

  I've experienced an increase in headaches and also noticed that it caused

ringing in my ears...

  You are probably correct in suggesting that the symptoms are caused  by

the herbs dilating

effect on the blood vessels in the brain....









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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: charles e kelly <ck22830@emeraldcoast.com>

Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:49:16 -0500

--------

I,ve started to take valerian as a sleep agent and I,ve noticed I have an upset

stomach . Does anyone have any info about the side effects?



BJF wrote:



> R. Saylor <rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com> wrote in article

> <35c40e2f.32623469@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

> > On Fri, 31 Jul 1998 15:10:02 -0400, Phyllis McDonald

> > <phylm@mediaone.net> wrote:

> >

> > >Hi ,I just started taking Ginkgo Biloba yesterday. I would like to hear

> > >from folks who have been taking this herb with any results? or side

> > >efffects?  thanks

> >

> > I haven't noticed any side effects.

> >

> > Some people think it causes headaches. I suppose it could conceivably

> > aggravate migraine, since it is a vasodilator.

> >

> > Richard S.

> >

> >

>   I've experienced an increase in headaches and also noticed that it caused

> ringing in my ears...

>   You are probably correct in suggesting that the symptoms are caused  by

> the herbs dilating

> effect on the blood vessels in the brain....











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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com (R. Saylor)

Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 17:04:03 GMT

--------

On Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:49:16 -0500, charles e kelly

<ck22830@emeraldcoast.com> wrote:



>I,ve started to take valerian as a sleep agent and I,ve noticed I have an upset

>stomach . Does anyone have any info about the side effects?



It can cause bad breath. I quit taking it when my SO complained.



Richard S.





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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: "Coyote Publishing" <coyote_pub@nospamhotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 10:15:04 -0600

--------

I take it once in a while and the only side effect I've noticed is a slight

headache from time to time.



Tom



Phyllis McDonald wrote in message <35C2168A.369068F7@mediaone.net>...

>Hi ,I just started taking Ginkgo Biloba yesterday. I would like to hear

>from folks who have been taking this herb with any results? or side

>efffects?  thanks

>









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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: kpfer1@silas-1.cc.monash.edu.au (Ms Kymberly Fergusson)

Date: 6 Aug 1998 01:28:48 GMT

--------

: Phyllis McDonald wrote in message <35C2168A.369068F7@mediaone.net>...

: >Hi ,I just started taking Ginkgo Biloba yesterday. I would like to hear

: >from folks who have been taking this herb with any results? or side

: >efffects?  thanks





I started taking it a couple of weeks ago - took one a day in the

morning for three days before i gave up.



I had rather vivid dreams those nights that saw me sleep-walking,

 and sleep talking.



the only other ingrediant the the capsules i took was sugar... 

I havent taken it since because i need my sleep....



Kymberly









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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: "Anna M Wallace" <amwallace@erols.com>

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 23:31:32 -0400

--------

We've been taking Ginkgo Biloba,for over a year,with no adverse affects.I

dont see it would cause bad dreams,or euphoric,cardiac

DR.sai d to take 120mg.for it to do good. Alfalfa is a field grass,if your

allergic to grasses,it may cause rash,but it's a diuretic,and helps

healing,with diabetic ulcers.Sincerely Anna.       Ms Kymberly Fergusson

wrote in message <6qb0sg$d3m$1@towncrier.cc.monash.edu.au>...

>: Phyllis McDonald wrote in message <35C2168A.369068F7@mediaone.net>...

>: >Hi ,I just started taking Ginkgo Biloba yesterday. I would like to hear

>: >from folks who have been taking this herb with any results? or side

>: >effects?  thanks

>

>

>I started taking it a couple of weeks ago - took one a day in the

>morning for three days before I gave up.

>

>I had rather vivid dreams those nights that saw me sleep-walking,

> and sleep talking.

>

>the only other ingredient the the capsules I took was sugar...

>I haven't taken it since because I need my sleep....

>

>Kymberly

>

>









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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:49:15 -0400

--------

I have not heard of any side effects reported by my customers other than

sleeplessness if taken near bedtime.  Balch & Balch's Prescription for

Nutritional Healing does not report any know side effects and usually they

are good about reporting side effects.  Gingko Biloba is the most highly

rearched herb in the world with over 300 scientific reviewed articles

published in places like Lancet, etc.  I don't think side effects would be

over-looked.  Although it is easy to believe that some people could

attribute headaches to the herb.



Chip

Vitamin Discount Connection



Phyllis McDonald wrote:



> Hi ,I just started taking Ginkgo Biloba yesterday. I would like to hear

> from folks who have been taking this herb with any results? or side

> efffects?  thanks





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Attachment

Card for Chip  Engelmann

vcard.vcf



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Subject: Re: Gingko Biloba

From: pmccabe770@aol.com (PMccabe770)

Date: 11 Aug 1998 17:00:18 GMT

--------

I telephoned my 100 year old uncle to check on him in Florida......I was told

he's much better now that he's passed the 100 year mark and has STARTED TO TAKE

GINKO BILOBA !!!





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Subject: Re: My St. John's Wort Harvest

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 05:46:55 GMT

--------

I put my SJW in the blender with either oil or a 50-50 mixture of grain

alcohol and distilled water, add enough herb to liquid til the mix is like

"runny applesauce" then shake daily. I do tincture in the dark and oil

mostly in the dark  with a few days of sun to bring out the red. Tincture is

dark red. Really beautiful. You don't need to keep adding herb.  Also the

more flower buds and less leaf you have the redder it will be.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: My St. John's Wort Harvest

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 1 Aug 1998 20:19:57 GMT

--------

>I put my SJW in the blender with either oil or a 50-50 mixture of grain

>alcohol and distilled water, add enough herb to liquid til the mix is like

>"runny applesauce" then shake daily. I do tincture in the dark and oil

>mostly in the dark  with a few days of sun to bring out the red. Tincture is

>dark red. Really beautiful. You don't need to keep adding herb.  Also the

>more flower buds and less leaf you have the redder it will be.

>

>Ingrid



Ingrid, 



Doesn't much of your tincture/oil go to waste in the blender? How do you get it

all out?



Belinda





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Subject: Re: My St. John's Wort Harvest

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 00:31:25 GMT

--------

Belinda asked: Doesn't much of your tincture/oil go to waste in the blender?

How do you get it

all out?



Not at all, I pour in into a jar then scrape any excess out with a rubber

spatula. I like the blender since it really cuts the herb up well. The finer

the chopping the more surface area to react with menstrum. When I made my

arnica oil I was camping so I had toc ruch it with a stone but overall I

like the blender. A vita mix works really well if you have one of those.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: My St. John's Wort Harvest

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 2 Aug 1998 00:38:26 GMT

--------

>Belinda asked: Doesn't much of your tincture/oil go to waste in the blender?

>How do you get it

>all out?

>

>Not at all, I pour in into a jar then scrape any excess out with a rubber

>spatula. I like the blender since it really cuts the herb up well. The finer

>the chopping the more surface area to react with menstrum. When I made my

>arnica oil I was camping so I had toc ruch it with a stone but overall I

>like the blender. A vita mix works really well if you have one of those.

>

>Ingrid



Am happy with my method of cutting some and just stuffing the jar then filling

with alcohol, vinegar or oil. Am lazy, much to lazy to blend and shake. :)



Belinda









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Subject: Re: 5-htp

From: ford@unix.infoserve.net (Kathryn Ford)

Date: 1 Aug 1998 14:34:32 GMT

--------

Mike (darkstar@nternet.net) wrote:

: Has anyone had experience or read any research re: the use of 5-htp during

: pregnancy?  I'd appreciate any input.

: 



What the heck is 5-htp?????



Kathy





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Subject: Re: 5-htp

From: "Mijo Jelic" <kaje@silkeborg.bib.dk>

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:58:48 -0700

--------



>What the heck is 5-htp?????

>





It's a precursor to serotonin (5-HT) - supposedly a supplement taken

(instead of st.john's wort) to lift one's mood (i.e. for depression???).

I think they're discussing it on rec.drugs.smart and sci.med.nutrition

(although it's been awhile since they discussed it there). Rec.drugs.smart

will probably know more about 5-HTP than this newsgroup :-)



Kata









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Subject: Re: Mortality From Food Diseases: Six Times More in USA than UK!!

From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 14:37:09 -0500

--------

> beesticker@aol.com (Beesticker) wrote:

> >THAT's why I'm concerned.  Even if that particular combination is OK for 99.99%

> >of humanity it could still hurt ME badly.  Nor am I the only one in this

> >position.  Hundreds of thousands of people have food allergies worldwide, the

> >severity ranging from minor tummy upset to death.



i can understand this reason.  i think i could make a case for my

boyfriend to be concerned in the fruit area (he's allergic to red grapes

and red grape products).  



i think this would be something an engineer would think of, i hope they

can find a way around it.  while it wouldn't be nice to be allergic to

zucchini, it might be nice to get a lot more protein from them.



brigid





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Subject: vikings and cannabis

From: janbv@online.no (jan bojer vindheim)

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 01:25:04 +0200

--------

Did the vikings know the magic properties of the dreaded herb?



Maybe, thought Norwegian archaelogist Anne Stine Ingstad who died last

year. (She and her husband discovered the viking sites at New Foundland,

by the way)



Four cannabis seeds wre found in the Osebergship, a splendid longship

buried around the year 850  in southeast Norway, containing great

treasure and two dead women.  The ship was excavated around 1910.

Theories have been that one woman was a queen (Oseberg-dronninga = The

Oseberg Queen) and the other her maid.



What if she was a priestess of the old faith instead, says Mrs Ingstad.

A priestess of the great, beautiful and terrible goddess Freya

And what if the cannbis-seeds were part of her priestly equipment ?

After all one of the seeds was found in a small pouch. probably tied to

her waist.



Anne Stine Ingstad thinks the   shamanic practices in the old religion

were developed through contacts with the sami "Noaide"-shaman/priests.

These were both male and female. But she does not say where the cannabis

came from.



The northern types of cannabis, established for thousands of years from

Siberia to Scandinavia, are generally thought to be very low in THC.

However by the time the Vikings showed up, (and very suitable for them,

too) there  were wellestablished trade routes from The Baltic through

Russia to the Black Sea, areas where ritual use of cannabis was

certainly established  by the 1 millenium BC, probably much earlier.



So could  there have been ritual use of cannabis in Scandinavia in

Nordic Times?



Do I hear indignant howls of disapproval  ?



Was that a smoky cheer?

 

    ----------

jan bojer vindheim

http://home.sol.no/~jbv





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Subject: Re: vikings and cannabis

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:42:11 GMT

--------

janbv@online.no (jan bojer vindheim) wrote:



>Four cannabis seeds wre found in the Osebergship, a splendid longship

>buried around the year 850



>What if she was a priestess of the old faith instead, says Mrs Ingstad.

>A priestess of the great, beautiful and terrible goddess Freya

>And what if the cannbis-seeds were part of her priestly equipment ?

  And were the ship's ropes made of hemp?  She might also have

been sent to the other side with seeds of the crops she would

need to grow.



>The northern types of cannabis, established for thousands of years from

>Siberia to Scandinavia, are generally thought to be very low in THC.

  There is "hemp" ... cultivated for the fiber and very low in

THC.  Then there is the Indian variety grown for the resin, and

with bad fiber quality.  You can't get both in the same plant, or

with the same growing practices.  Without knowing which is

intended, it's just speculation.

  

>So could  there have been ritual use of cannabis in Scandinavia in

>Nordic Times?

  They had mead and some of the northern herbs.  Who needs help?





==========

Subject: Re: vikings and cannabis

From: janbv@online.no (jan bojer vindheim)

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 15:51:38 +0200

--------

Tsu Dho Nimh <abacaxi@hotmail.com> wrote:



> janbv@online.no (jan bojer vindheim) wrote:

> 

> >Four cannabis seeds wre found in the Osebergship, a splendid longship

> >buried around the year 850

> 

> >What if she was a priestess of the old faith instead, says Mrs Ingstad.

> >A priestess of the great, beautiful and terrible goddess Freya

> >And what if the cannbis-seeds were part of her priestly equipment ?

>   And were the ship's ropes made of hemp?  She might also have

> been sent to the other side with seeds of the crops she would

> need to grow.



The ships ropes were made of  bast from the linden tree.

The sails were made from nettle-fibers



> >The northern types of cannabis, established for thousands of years from

> >Siberia to Scandinavia, are generally thought to be very low in THC.



>  There is "hemp" ... cultivated for the fiber and very low in

> THC.  Then there is the Indian variety grown for the resin, and

> with bad fiber quality.  You can't get both in the same plant, or

> with the same growing practices. 



Not necessarily true. Many kinds of high-THC hemp  also have a large

proportion of fibers



> Without knowing which is

> intended, it's just speculation.

>   

> >So could  there have been ritual use of cannabis in Scandinavia in

> >Nordic Times?



>   They had mead and some of the northern herbs.  Who needs help?





 I do.  I find mrs Ingstads theory fascinating.

    ----------

jan bojer vindheim

http://home.sol.no/~jbv





==========

Subject: Re: vikings and cannabis

From: James D Fort <fortjd@musc.edu>

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 07:43:32 -0400

--------

The possibility that the hemp seeds could, as the US Government maintains

a "strategic" supply for, have been simply for the production of materials

for producing rope has been ruled out?  GC/MS analysis ought to be able to

confirm the use of cannabanoids if any residual hair is available from

such archaelogical site (since one can only confirm the use from a

positive test, you cannot rule out the postulated).







==========

Subject: Re: vikings and cannabis

From: janbv@online.no (jan bojer vindheim)

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 17:37:57 +0200

--------

James D Fort <fortjd@musc.edu> wrote:



> The possibility that the hemp seeds could, as the US Government maintains

> a "strategic" supply for, have been simply for the production of materials

> for producing rope has been ruled out?



The ship had ropes of tree-bast and sails of nettle-fiber.

the buried ladies hade clothes of wool, silk and linen.



>  GC/MS analysis ought to be able to

> confirm the use of cannabanoids if any residual hair is available from

> such archaelogical site (since one can only confirm the use from a

> positive test, you cannot rule out the postulated).



I am sure this test has not been applied. 

Can you tell me more about it ?



-- 

jan bojer vindheim

http://home.sol.no/~jbv





==========

Subject: Re: vikings and cannabis

From: Kevin <100621.17@NOSPAMcompuserve.com>

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 23:01:48 +0100

--------

jan bojer vindheim wrote:

> 

> James D Fort <fortjd@musc.edu> wrote:

> 

> > The possibility that the hemp seeds could, as the US Government maintains

> > a "strategic" supply for, have been simply for the production of materials

> > for producing rope has been ruled out?

> 

> The ship had ropes of tree-bast and sails of nettle-fiber.

> the buried ladies hade clothes of wool, silk and linen.

> 

> >  GC/MS analysis ought to be able to

> > confirm the use of cannabanoids if any residual hair is available from

> > such archaelogical site (since one can only confirm the use from a

> > positive test, you cannot rule out the postulated).

> 

> I am sure this test has not been applied.

> Can you tell me more about it ?



He's referring to the hair shaft test - it's a standard forensic test for 

demonstrating whether the person concerned has ingested poisons or drugs.



Kevin



To reply, remove NOSPAM from the address. Do not send unsolicited commercial 

material to my e-mail account. If my e-mail address appears on any commercial 

list, REMOVE IT!





==========

Subject: Re: vikings and cannabis

From: "Sveinung W. Tengelsen" <pixeleye@sn.spamtrap.no>

Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:20:07 +0100

--------

In article <35C8D64C.6ACD@NOSPAMcompuserve.com>, Kevin

<URL:mailto:100621.17@NOSPAMcompuserve.com> wrote:

> jan bojer vindheim wrote:

> > 

> > James D Fort <fortjd@musc.edu> wrote:

> > 

> > > The possibility that the hemp seeds could, as the US Government maintains

> > > a "strategic" supply for, have been simply for the production of materials

> > > for producing rope has been ruled out?

> > 

> > The ship had ropes of tree-bast and sails of nettle-fiber.

> > the buried ladies hade clothes of wool, silk and linen.

> > 

> > >  GC/MS analysis ought to be able to

> > > confirm the use of cannabanoids if any residual hair is available from

> > > such archaelogical site (since one can only confirm the use from a

> > > positive test, you cannot rule out the postulated).

> > 

> > I am sure this test has not been applied.

> > Can you tell me more about it ?

> 

> He's referring to the hair shaft test - it's a standard forensic test for 

> demonstrating whether the person concerned has ingested poisons or drugs.



What would the lifespan of cannabis metabolites (or chemical traces/

indications thereof) be in such a sample? Would the woman in question have

to have ingested cannabis within the common 3-5 weeks such residues are

traceable? Oh ah, I assume it would and could be demonstrable *if* they

used it, since logically the associated rites were predominantly

"moonthly", i.e. under great outdoor conditions for such occations. :)



-- 

Regards,



Sveinung W. Tengelsen

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Subject: Re: Garlic again

From: wesdrawdy@mindspring.com (John W. Drawdy)

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 01:17:47 GMT

--------

brsm2@aol.com (Brsm2) wrote:



>What is the best way to "take" raw garlic?  It's a little difficult taking it

>straight up, so is there a way to eat it with something so it still keeps it's

>good properties?

Minced in skim milk works for us.

1 clove for prevention

2-3 cloves if you feel a cold or sore throat coming on

(average sized clove)



Wes Drawdy







==========

Subject: Re: Garlic again

From: me@moggymiaow.demon.co.uk (moggy)

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:11:11 GMT

--------

I recommend getting a small bulb of garlic with small cloves in it,

peel one and swallow it whole without chewing, you don't get the bad

breath problem then and a small clove of garlic is about the same size

a bought capsule.



On 23 Jul 1998 00:03:23 GMT, brsm2@aol.com (Brsm2) wrote:



>What is the best way to "take" raw garlic?  It's a little difficult taking it

>straight up, so is there a way to eat it with something so it still keeps it's

>good properties?







==========

Subject: Re: Garlic again

From: "Debra Davis" <MAKINMUSIC58@email.msn.com>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:28:56 -0500

--------

I have heard if you swallow them in pieces

& do not chop or crush them you won't have

garlic breath.I have not tried it yet.









==========

Subject: Re: Garlic again

From: "Garlic Goddess" <paula23NOSPAM@sprynet.com>

Date: 14 Aug 1998 17:05:33 GMT

--------

I've heard that tip too, but have never tried it.  I eat a large quantity

of garlic daily (2-8 bulbs depending on what I'm cooking)  And, as far as I

know, I don't have garlic breath.  



But I have read that, while there are some ways to eliminate or at lest

mask the odor, it will return in other ways...even through your pores.  The

wonderful oils in the garlic enter the blood stream and can remain "in

circulation" for hours.  



IMHO, it's a small price to pay for the benefits of garlic.  I've been

eating large quantities for over four years and have never felt better.  No

more colds, clearer skin...I've never felt better.



Paula

The Garlic Goddess



Note The Spam Trap When Replying!

> I have heard if you swallow them in pieces

> & do not chop or crush them you won't have

> garlic breath.I have not tried it yet.







==========

Subject: Re: Garlic again

From: Gordon Held <gheld@thegrid.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 14:53:11 GMT

--------









Garlic Goddess wrote:

 The wonderful oils in the garlic enter the blood stream and can remain "in circulation"

for hours.



>

>

>

> IMHO, it's a small price to pay for the benefits of garlic.  I've been

> eating large quantities for over four years and have never felt better.  No

> more colds, clearer skin...I've never felt better.

>

> Paula

> The Garlic Goddess



You have gotta be one woman in a million; and we need more like you.  I don't know any

who actually like lots of raw garlic themselves, much less second hand garlic from their

mate through gas coming out either end.



My wife swears I sweat it out while I sleep.



If you have a learned technique to deal with raw garlic, you could make a fortune

writing a book and/or putting on seminars.



Gordon Held







==========

Subject: Re: Garlic again

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:51:08 -0500

--------

Garlic Goddess wrote:

> 

> I've heard that tip too, but have never tried it.  I eat a large 

> quantity of garlic daily (2-8 bulbs depending on what I'm cooking)  

> And, as far as I know, I don't have garlic breath.



As between "bulb' vs. "head:"  my consumption has been up to a "head"

of garlic a day but averages out to a "clove" a day.  If I get much

above 4 "cloves" a day, after 2-3 days I can smell myself.  And spouse

notes that I smell and taste like garlic.

 

> But I have read that, while there are some ways to eliminate or at 

> lest mask the odor, it will return in other ways...even through 

> your pores.  The wonderful oils in the garlic enter the blood 

> stream and can remain "in circulation" for hours.



-Kyra [who is going to eat it anyway.  Anyone who objects can go fly.]





==========

Subject: Re: Garlic again

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:33:52 -0700

--------

Debra Davis wrote:

> 

> I have heard if you swallow them in pieces

> & do not chop or crush them you won't have

> garlic breath.



No, just garlic farts :-)



Sorry, to be so crude. It was too funny to resist.



--Tom





==========

Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 18:29:34 -0700

--------

Jenn Pitman wrote:

> 

> williams (davew@wizzards.net) wrote:

> > I got a bottle of Melatonin at my health food store. The brand is Source Naturals. The

> > tablets are peppermint flavored sublingual.

> 

> > They work great but are spendy. Over 8.00 for a bottle of 60 tablets.

> 

> > WalMart carries Melatonin but different brands and none that you hold under your

> > tongue while they dissolve.

> 

> > Would these others be comparable and what do I need to look for? Or would trying

> > these be a waste of my time and money.

> 

> How often are you taking these tablets?  They sould not be taken all the time.



This is incorrect. There is no legitmate reason not to take melatonin

before sleep every night, chronically. Any downregulation of endogenous

production is purely temporary (in response to serum levels from the

exogenous supply). Normal production will begin during the first sleep

period without the supplement. I was just away for 5 weeks and forgot my

melatonin after 8 years of taking 3 or 5mg every night. I had no sleep

problems without the melatonin (I never started it because I needed to

sleep).





--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

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==========

Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 2 Aug 1998 02:45:06 GMT

--------

Tom Matthews (tmatth@netcom.ca) wrote:

:Jenn Pitman wrote:

:> 

:> williams (davew@wizzards.net) wrote:

:> > I got a bottle of Melatonin at my health food store. The brand is Source Naturals. The

:> > tablets are peppermint flavored sublingual.

:> 

:> > They work great but are spendy. Over 8.00 for a bottle of 60 tablets.

:> 

:> > WalMart carries Melatonin but different brands and none that you hold under your

:> > tongue while they dissolve.

:> 

:> > Would these others be comparable and what do I need to look for? Or would trying

:> > these be a waste of my time and money.

:> 

:> How often are you taking these tablets?  They sould not be taken all the time.

:

:This is incorrect. There is no legitmate reason not to take melatonin

:before sleep every night, chronically. Any downregulation of endogenous

:production is purely temporary (in response to serum levels from the

:exogenous supply). Normal production will begin during the first sleep

:period without the supplement. I was just away for 5 weeks and forgot my

:melatonin after 8 years of taking 3 or 5mg every night. I had no sleep

:problems without the melatonin (I never started it because I needed to

:sleep).

:

:

:--Tom 

:Tom Matthews

: 



Exactly.  I've taken melatonin for 3 years now, and the times that I've

forgotten to buy some but was too busy to replenish, sleep came naturally. 



(then why do I take it?  Quality of sleep, and quality of life the next day -

something I gained through the use of melatonin)



I've been suspecting that in those countries where melatonin is either illegal

or only obtainable via prescription, establishment nay-sayers abound, and are

subsequently believed by the public at large.



Why do I say this?  Because that same continual song of permanent or long-term

downregulation is the one most often sung despite the facts.



There are obviously caveats to using melatonin, but downregulation isn't one

of them as far as I've been able to glean using the medical research-paper

search-engines (like Medline), *and* personal experience. Nex





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        perhaps then in spring time our hearts would be at peace."

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Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 02 Aug 98 23:27:33 EDT

--------

Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>  wrote:

TM> This is incorrect. There is no legitmate reason not to take melatonin

TM> before sleep every night, chronically. Any downregulation of

TM> endogenous production is purely temporary (in response to serum levels

TM> from the exogenous supply). Normal production will begin during the

TM> first sleep period without the supplement. I was just away for 5 weeks

TM> and forgot my melatonin after 8 years of taking 3 or 5mg every night. I

TM> had no sleep problems without the melatonin (I never started it because

TM> I needed to sleep).



    Question:  With taking 3-5 mg. of melatonin before bedtime, do you

    experience any "sleep" hang-over effect?



    BTW, what was your reason for taking melatonin?



.. End  of  message

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]





==========

Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 21:48:55 -0700

--------

George Lagergren wrote:

> 

> Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>  wrote:

> TM> This is incorrect. There is no legitmate reason not to take melatonin

> TM> before sleep every night, chronically. Any downregulation of

> TM> endogenous production is purely temporary (in response to serum levels

> TM> from the exogenous supply). Normal production will begin during the

> TM> first sleep period without the supplement. I was just away for 5 weeks

> TM> and forgot my melatonin after 8 years of taking 3 or 5mg every night. I

> TM> had no sleep problems without the melatonin (I never started it because

> TM> I needed to sleep).

> 

>     Question:  With taking 3-5 mg. of melatonin before bedtime, do you

>     experience any "sleep" hang-over effect?



No, I simply get a deeper more restful sleep, as mentioned by another

poster. I suspect that this deeper sleep also causes more natural

nocturnal GH release also. I do think the melatonin causes me to wake

more often after only about 4-5 hours. If I *need* to get get up that is

good. If I don't I have no problem going back to sleep. I believe that

ample sleep is also health and life extending and I try to get 7-8 hours

per night average. I can easily do with less and for years went with

only 5-6 hours per night, however, I feel more energetic, healthier and

happier now that I am getting more sleep.



The fact that I do not eat for 3-4 hours before bed and then eat a large

breakfast when I rise, may help eliminate any hang-over effect. 



>     BTW, what was your reason for taking melatonin?



To get a deeper sleep, because melatonin is very brain beneficial in

many ways, because is declines with age, because old rats with pineal

glands transplanted from young rats lived longer, etc. The decision was

many years ago, long before melatonin became popular, so I don't

remember all the details of my thinking. Everything which I have read

since (about its anticancer benefits, for example) has strengthened my

decision.

 

--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

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A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension

of the healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research,

innovative ideas and practical methods.

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==========

Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 3 Aug 1998 12:21:45 GMT

--------

Just two questions for you Melatonin users:



Do you  know how long Melatonin has been in use?



Do you take any other hormones....for body building or the like?



Belinda





==========

Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 16:11:14 -0700

--------

LEvans1044 wrote:

> 

> Just two questions for you Melatonin users:

> 

> Do you  know how long Melatonin has been in use?



Melatonin is a completely natural chemical synthesized by the body's

pineal gland from serotonin. It secretion declines with age. It, and

pineal gland research in general, have been the subject of experiments

for several decadeds. As far as I am aware of it has only been available

for puchase as a dietary supplement for about 10 years. No evidence of

toxicity at any dosage has ever been produced.

 

> Do you take any other hormones....for body building or the like?



It is quite controversial whether melatonin should be regarded as a

hormone or not. It is a simple chemical not at all related to any other

chemicals which we call hormones. The only hormone-like things which I

take are DHEA, pregnenolone, growth hormone releasers, and

phytoestrogens. I do exercise, but I am not a body buider, since I

believe more than moderate weight bearing exercises to be

counter-productive to longevity.



--Tom 

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Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 4 Aug 1998 02:56:43 GMT

--------



In answer to Belnda's question, I've been taking it for 3 years.  I started at

3mg, but am now down to 1mg.  The main benefit for me is better days, even if

I don't get my full quota of sleep.



It used to be that when I slept even just one hour less than usual (eg 6 hours

instead of 7), I'd be a *wreck* the next day.  Using melatonin, this is no

longer the case.  I can get less sleep for 2 or 3 days in a row and only after

the third night start feeling like the proverbial wreck. Nex





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Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: liasworld@aol.com (LiAsWoRlD)

Date: 16 Aug 1998 09:47:20 GMT

--------

Are there any effects on depression (i am clinically depressed... prozac,

zoloft, etc...)?  I was told people with depression shouldn't use it





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Subject: Re: Melatonin

From: Lastoria@canada.com (Joe Lastoria)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:58:57 GMT

--------

You are correct....Melatonin supplements should be taken only at

bedtime and is for adult consumption only.  It should not be used by

pregnant or lactating women, children, or teenagers.



If you are under medical supervision or have an autoimmune disese,

diabetes, a depressive disorder, epilepsy, leukemia,

lymphoperliferative disorder or are taking MAO inhibitor drugs or

cortico steroids such as cortisol or prednisone consult with your

physician before using a melatonin product.



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>Are there any effects on depression (i am clinically depressed... prozac,

>zoloft, etc...)?  I was told people with depression shouldn't use it







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Subject: Re: Kava Kava Questions

From: wesdrawdy@mindspring.com (John W. Drawdy)

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 01:31:28 GMT

--------

Mountain Laurel Farm <tlaine@jlc.net> wrote:



>Hello,



>Has anyone tried Kava Kava? I would be interested in hearing about it's

>effectiveness or lack of. Are there any medications that Kava Kava

>should not be mixed with? Are there any medical conditions for which

>Kava Kava use should be avoided?



>I have not found much on the Internet, except the promotional sites of

>companies that are selling Kava Kava.



>Thanks for your help,

>Laine



Laine my wife and I both like its calming effect.  She's a prosecuting

atty.  I'm in insurance (low-key) sales.  We take when and if going

into a potentially stressful situation so a bottle lasts several

months.  We use Sundown Brand fr PharMor.



Regards, Wes Drawdy











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Subject: Re: Kava Kava Questions

From: "Steel" <steel@psynet.net>

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:36:20 +0800

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You want Kava info ,well here's heaps check it out.

ftp://hyperreal.com/drugs/natural/kava.info

Steel



Mountain Laurel Farm wrote in message <35C1BC2C.F2C45A44@jlc.net>...

>Hello,

>

>Has anyone tried Kava Kava? I would be interested in hearing about it's

>effectiveness or lack of. Are there any medications that Kava Kava

>should not be mixed with? Are there any medical conditions for which

>Kava Kava use should be avoided?

>

>I have not found much on the Internet, except the promotional sites of

>companies that are selling Kava Kava.

>

>Thanks for your help,

>Laine

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Kava Kava Questions

From: parente@my-dejanews.com

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 03:39:26 GMT

--------

Here are several links that have good info on kava.

Steve



http://www.hawaiitropicals.com/ainahawaii/kavaherbs.html



http://www.hawaii-nation.org/canoe/awa.html



http://www.haroldbloomfield.com



http://www.nutritionsciencenews.com/NSN_backs/May_97/kava.html



http://www.prairienet.org/~kagan/kavabib.html



http://www.threeweb.ad.jp/~jungrog/e-kava.html



http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/hobbs/kava2.htm



http://www.silk.net/personal/scombs/kava.html



http://www.rhein-land.com/bluewater/vanuatu1.htm



> >

> >Has anyone tried Kava Kava? I would be interested in hearing about it's

> >effectiveness or lack of. Are there any medications that Kava Kava

> >should not be mixed with? Are there any medical conditions for which

> >Kava Kava use should be avoided?

> >

> >I have not found much on the Internet, except the promotional sites of

> >companies that are selling Kava Kava.

> >

> >Thanks for your help,

> >Laine

> >





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Subject: Re: Kava Kava Questions

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:31:14 -0400

--------

Try alt-health.com  .

There are several articles on kava kava.  Here is an excerpt from one of

them.



Kava cautions

When used as directed, standardized kava products are considered

nonaddictive, nonhypnotic, and safe to use, except during pregnancy,

lactation, or bouts of

depression. The German government's Commission E warns against using kava

with alcohol, barbiturates, antidepressants, and other substances that may

act on the

central nervous system. Because it apparently acts like a sedative, kava

shouldn't be taken when driving or operating machinery. No side effects

have been associated

with using small amounts of kava products, but long-term, heavy use can

cause temporary yellowing of the skin, hair, and nails, as well as itching,

sores, and vision

disturbances. In Germany, where the dried rhizome and its preparations are

sold commercially, the government allows kava preparations to be labeled as

treatments

for nervous anxiety, stress, and unrest.



Chip

Vitamin Discount Connection





Mountain Laurel Farm wrote:



> Hello,

>

> Has anyone tried Kava Kava? I would be interested in hearing about it's

> effectiveness or lack of. Are there any medications that Kava Kava

> should not be mixed with? Are there any medical conditions for which

> Kava Kava use should be avoided?

>

> I have not found much on the Internet, except the promotional sites of

> companies that are selling Kava Kava.

>

> Thanks for your help,

> Laine





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Subject: Re: Vitamin C ?

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:18:55 -0700

--------

Nick wrote:



> you should be getting naturally extracted stuff.



Nonsense! Vitamin C is a simple chemical. The manufactured chemcial is

*identical* to that which is plant made.

 

> The issue on C is that the commercially produced 'pharmaceutical' stuff

> in yr 500mg generic vit c tablets has got nothing to do with lemon

> groves and funky natural feel good sources.  It is generally produced by

> fermentation of corn, trades in container lots and costs just over

> USD5/kg (for Chinese origin). BASF, Roche, about half a dozen factories

> in China etc churn out 10's of thousands of tonnes per year.



So what! Its an *identical* chemical.



 I don't

> know what natural extracted stuff costs but I bet my Merck Index to a

> Mrs Grieves it's much more than this.



It sure is and it's an utter waste of money for the Vitamin C. The only

thing positive that expensive natural sources may do for you is to

contain some of the bioflavinoids extracted with the vitamin C. However,

these too can generally be obtained cheaper separately.



> Thus: big spiking temptation for the acerola producers.....



> So, if your bottle says it includes ascorbic acid or vitamin c BP/USP

> this is pretty much guaranteed not to have come into existence inside

> some fruit somewhere.

> Of course, there's a good argument that the same molecule is the same

> molecule whether it is made in a test tube or by nature....  is it

> different?



Now you have come to your sense! Why did you start out with nonsense.



> I suspect it is the other things in the fruits - the bioflavonoids etc

> which make the natural c better.  If you just take out the c on its own

> - no difference in my view.  There.  A nod to the holists.



--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-544-4440 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension

of the healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research,

innovative ideas and practical methods.

LIFE EXTENSION MAGAZINE - The ultimate source for new

health and medical findings from around the world.





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Subject: Re: Vitamin C ?

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Sat, 01 Aug 1998 19:30:24 -0700

--------

Henriette Kress wrote:

 

> Way back when, like a long time ago, I attended a pharmacognosy course at the U

> of Helsinki. The prof said, on the difference between molecules as found in a

> plant versus molecules either extracted from a plant or manufactured from

> scratch (we were talking about caffeine):

> 

> The molecular bonds in a compound in a plant are convoluted almost into the

> fourth dimension. After going through the hoops and loops to get the pure

> compound it may -look- the same, but the bond is just a simple one, and so there

> was a loss of energy somewhere along the way.

> Manufactured molecules have simple bonds, as our chemists, in their molecule

> building abilities, are a far cry from plants.



Either this was presented badly or you have remembered it badly.

Synthesizing techniques of complex chemicals are getting better and

better as biochemical/pharmaceutical technology advances. Either a

molecules has all the same atoms interconnected in the same ways or it

does not. If it does then, in the same environment, natural and

synthesized molecules will be precisely the same even to the extent of 3

dimensional conformation (there is no 4th spatial dimenension - that we

know of - although fractal things can sometimes by usefully viewed that

way). Often however, natural molecules are not precisely synthesized,

either because of dificulty and cost or because some man-devised

alteration is deemed to be better.



--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-544-4440 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension

of the healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research,

innovative ideas and practical methods.

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health and medical findings from around the world.





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Subject: Re: Vitamin C ?

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:19:19 +0000

--------

Tom Matthews wrote:

> 

> Nick wrote:

> 

>

> 

> Vitamin C is a simple chemical. The manufactured chemcial is

> *identical* to that which is plant made.

> 

> > The issue on C is that the commercially produced 'pharmaceutical' stuff

> > in yr 500mg generic vit c tablets has got nothing to do with lemon

> > groves and funky natural feel good sources.  It is generally produced by

> > fermentation of corn, trades in container lots and costs just over

> > USD5/kg (for Chinese origin). BASF, Roche, about half a dozen factories

> > in China etc churn out 10's of thousands of tonnes per year.

> 

> So what! Its an *identical* chemical.

> 

>  I don't

> > know what natural extracted stuff costs but I bet my Merck Index to a

> > Mrs Grieves it's much more than this.

> 

> It sure is and it's an utter waste of money for the Vitamin C. The only

> thing positive that expensive natural sources may do for you is to

> contain some of the bioflavinoids extracted with the vitamin C. However,

> these too can generally be obtained cheaper separately.

> 

> > Thus: big spiking temptation for the acerola producers.....

> 

> > So, if your bottle says it includes ascorbic acid or vitamin c BP/USP

> > this is pretty much guaranteed not to have come into existence inside

> > some fruit somewhere.

> > Of course, there's a good argument that the same molecule is the same

> > molecule whether it is made in a test tube or by nature....  is it

> > different?

> 

> Now you have come to your sense! Why did you start out with nonsense.

> 

> 

> --Tom

> Tom Matthews

> 



Erm, thanks for finally reading to the end of my post there Tom!  



The push towards extraction of specific phytochemicals from plants as

the holy grail of middle-class self-medication does often seem to forget

that the world wide pharmaceutical industry developed for a reason: 

these chemicals can often be produced on an industrial scale more

effectively and efficiently than getting them from plants.  Same

chemical but cheaper and more available with broader health-care

benefits.



I think anyone who buys eg vit c extracted from fruit is wasting their

money.  If, on the other hand, they buy the whole fruit to get the vit c

- this is not a waste of money because they are getting the whole

spectrum of food value from the fruit too.



Nick





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Subject: Re: Vitamin C ?

From: Mark/Melanie <mayash@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 14:59:18 GMT

--------

Ok I understand what you guys are saying but should I spend the extra

money and get the Vitamin C with Rose Hips. It isn't that much more and

Vitamin C is cheap anyway but if it is only a marketing step then I will

not waste my money. Thanks for the information.

Mark





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Subject: Re: Vitamin C ?

From: Nick <hero.uk@mcmail.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 07:50:48 +0000

--------

Mark/Melanie wrote:

> 

> Ok I understand what you guys are saying but should I spend the extra

> money and get the Vitamin C with Rose Hips. It isn't that much more and

> Vitamin C is cheap anyway but if it is only a marketing step then I will

> not waste my money. Thanks for the information.

> Mark





Hi,



My opinion: it is a marketing ploy.  But you can have both:



Buy the cheapest vit c tablets you can find and go out and collect the

rose hips for free.



Nick





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Subject: Re: Vitamin C ?

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:58:05 -0400

--------

My question is, are you trying to find a cheap vitamin, or are you trying to

find a system that produces the results you expect.  Vitamin C comes in many

forms--and some people find Vitamin C with Rose Hips added beneficial.

Others prefer calcium ascorbate, a buffered form of Vitamin C that is less

likely to upset your stomach.  Several double-blind studies that have shown

that calcium ascorbate combined threonic acid (Ester-C) is abosorbed into

the body faster and remains in the system longer than calcium ascorbate.  It

also has the benefit that it is the only form of Vitamin C tested that can

be chewed without damaging tooth enamel. (So think twice before accepting

that free chewable sample).  Other studies have shown that bioflavanoids

work synergystically with C to add to the antioxidant effect.  It is not as

simple as generic vs. name brand.  Vitamin C is highly researched and the

delivery systems are highly refined.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin Discount Connection



Mark/Melanie wrote:



> Ok I understand what you guys are saying but should I spend the extra

> money and get the Vitamin C with Rose Hips. It isn't that much more and

> Vitamin C is cheap anyway but if it is only a marketing step then I will

> not waste my money. Thanks for the information.

> Mark





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Subject: Re: Vitamin C ?

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 4 Aug 98 21:53:48 GMT

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Mark/Melanie <mayash@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Ok I understand what you guys are saying but should I spend the extra

>money and get the Vitamin C with Rose Hips. It isn't that much more and

>Vitamin C is cheap anyway but if it is only a marketing step then I will

>not waste my money. Thanks for the information.



Some vitamins are worth paying more for....  Vitamin C is not one of

them.  They are all about 99 percent ascorbic acid produced from

corn (surprise!), and some have trace amounts of rosehips and acerola

cherries added to look good on the label.



There is one company that bottles vitamin C for thousands of label

brands in the US, and the "natural" stuff has only about 1 percent rose

hips or acerola in it. (although I do think that acerola chewables

*taste* better).



 "One manufacturer of vitamin C used to claim that it owned

  85 percent of the world supply of acerola berries, a natural

  source of vitamin C.  But since those holdings amounted to

  only 40 acres, how many acerola berries could there be?"

       from The Insider's Guide to Health Foods, by David Armstrong"



--

  jamie (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: Vitamin C ?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 18:07:40 -0400

--------

Henriette Kress wrote in message <35c1eaf6.30946903@news.eunet.fi>...



>Manufactured molecules have simple bonds, as our chemists, in their

molecule

>building abilities, are a far cry from plants.

>



Unfortunately, your professor was mistaken.  There is absolutely no evidence

for such a statement.  Pure ascorbic acid is pure ascorbic acid, whether

from plants or from a laboratory.  The difference and advantage in using

natural sources is the other cofactors they contain - bioflavenoids and

others that enhance the effect of the vitamin C.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Vitamin C ?

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 4 Aug 1998 02:59:22 GMT

--------

Richard Ogden (pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net) wrote:

:Henriette Kress wrote in message <35c1eaf6.30946903@news.eunet.fi>...

:

:>Manufactured molecules have simple bonds, as our chemists, in their

:molecule

:>building abilities, are a far cry from plants.

:>

:

:Unfortunately, your professor was mistaken.  There is absolutely no evidence

:for such a statement.  Pure ascorbic acid is pure ascorbic acid, whether

:from plants or from a laboratory.  The difference and advantage in using

:natural sources is the other cofactors they contain - bioflavenoids and

:others that enhance the effect of the vitamin C.

:

:-Rich

:

:

:



And the good thing about those co-factors is that they're inexpensive.  An

orange, a plum or a grapefruit.  Moreover, citrus bioflavanoids in tablet form

are also inexpensive for those times when it's impractical to eat a fruit

along with that tablet of ascorbic acid. Nex





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Subject: Re: Restless Leg Syndrome

From: "Michael Adams" <jma1@gte.net>

Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:11:03 -0700

--------

I often have this problem, and I have found something that always works.

It's called "myclized" vitamin E. It's a liquid, and it's not the same as

the products that are labeled "liquid vitamin E."  It's pure E, but it's

processed somehow. I take a dropper full, and the problem goes away in about

10 minutes.





RedWitch04 wrote in message

<1998072618023100.OAA04726@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Restless legs is usually due to poor or bad circulation in the legs.  My

dad

>suffered from it all the time.  You might want to begin looking into taking

>butchers broom for the problem.  As well as walking and have someone give

you a

>vigarous massage once in a while...as often as possible anyway...usually

with a

>good peppermint lotion or oil.  If you stand all day at work try sitting

down

>more often and resting your legs.

>

>

>Beth

>The Truth is Out There

>http://members.aol.com/redwita/index.html









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Subject: Re: Restless Leg Syndrome

From: tatro@webtv.net (David E. Tatro)

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 01:30:16 -0500 (CDT)

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I have had RLS for years...the only thing that has worked for me is

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Subject: Suma

From: "Michael Adams" <jma1@gte.net>

Date: Sat, 1 Aug 1998 21:14:23 -0700

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I've heard of a South American herb that's called Suma (I think). It's

supposed to promote longevity.  Does anyone know about this, where it can be

obtained?









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Subject: Re: Suma

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:44:11 GMT

--------

"Michael Adams" <jma1@gte.net> wrote:



>I've heard of a South American herb that's called Suma (I think). It's

>supposed to promote longevity.  Does anyone know about this, where it can be

>obtained?

  Take a cruise up the Amazon, take the third river to the left,

go upstream for 172.5 garshaks, stop at the village on the south

bank.  Ask for Jose.  He'll know.





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Subject: Re: Suma

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:45:08 GMT

--------

"Michael Adams" <jma1@gte.net> wrote:



>I've heard of a South American herb that's called Suma (I think). It's

>supposed to promote longevity.  Does anyone know about this, where it can be

>obtained?

  It has some phyto-hormones and a mild stimuulant effect, often

used at part of a "hot-flash" suppressant mix.

  Forget Jose ... any bulk herb vendor has it.





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Subject: Re: Suma

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:41:20 -0400

--------

I got this from alt-health.com:



Host Site: Wealth Of our Rainforests

Suma is a large, scrambling, shrubby ground vine which has an intricate and deep

root system. It is indigenous to the Amazon basin area and other tropical parts

of

Brazil, Ecuador, Panama, Paraguay Peru and Venezuela.(1, 2) Since it first

botanical recording in 1826, it has been referred to by several botanical names

including

Pfaffia paniculata, Hebanthe paniculata and Gomphrena paniculata.(3) The genus

Pfaffia is well known in Central and South America with over 50 species of

Pfaffia

growing in the warmer tropical regions of the area.(4)



In South America, Suma is known as Para Toda which means "for all things" and as

Brazilian Ginseng since it is widely used as an adaptogen for many things, much

like regular ginseng. The Indigenous Peoples of the Amazon region who named it

Para Toda, have used the root of Suma for generations for a wide variety of

things

including a general tonic, energy and rejuvenating tonic as well as a general

cure-all for many types of illnesses.(5) Suma has been used as a tonic, an

aphrodisiac, a

calming agent and to treat ulcers for at least 300 years, and is an important

herbal remedy in the folk medicine of several indigenous Indian tribes today.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin  Discount Connection



Michael Adams wrote:



> I've heard of a South American herb that's called Suma (I think). It's

> supposed to promote longevity.  Does anyone know about this, where it can be

> obtained?





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Subject: Re: Suma

From: Leslie Taylor <Leslie@rain-tree.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:11:54 +0000

--------

This info came from / was quoted our database file on suma

and there is alot more info than just this. To access the

complete file: go to http://www.rain-tree.com/suma.htm



Regards,

Leslie Taylor

--

Raintree Nutrition, Inc.

Raintree Marketing, Inc.

1601 W. Koenig Ln

Austin, Texas 78756 USA

(512) 467-6130  (800) 780-5902

Website:  http://www.rain-tree.com





Chip Engelmann wrote:



>  I got this from alt-health.com:

>

> Host Site: Wealth Of our Rainforests

> Suma is a large, scrambling, shrubby ground vine which has

> an intricate and deep root system. It is indigenous to the

> Amazon basin area and other tropical parts of

> Brazil, Ecuador, Panama, Paraguay Peru and Venezuela.(1,

> 2) Since it first botanical recording in 1826, it has been

> referred to by several botanical names including

> Pfaffia paniculata, Hebanthe paniculata and Gomphrena

> paniculata.(3) The genus Pfaffia is well known in Central

> and South America with over 50 species of Pfaffia

> growing in the warmer tropical regions of the area.(4)

>

> In South America, Suma is known as Para Toda which means

> "for all things" and as Brazilian Ginseng since it is

> widely used as an adaptogen for many things, much

> like regular ginseng. The Indigenous Peoples of the Amazon

> region who named it Para Toda, have used the root of Suma

> for generations for a wide variety of things

> including a general tonic, energy and rejuvenating tonic

> as well as a general cure-all for many types of

> illnesses.(5) Suma has been used as a tonic, an

> aphrodisiac, a

> calming agent and to treat ulcers for at least 300 years,

> and is an important herbal remedy in the folk medicine of

> several indigenous Indian tribes today.

>

> Chip Engelmann

> Vitamin  Discount Connection

>

> Michael Adams wrote:

>

>> I've heard of a South American herb that's called Suma

>> (I think). It's

>> supposed to promote longevity.  Does anyone know about

>> this, where it can be

>> obtained?

>

>







--

Raintree Nutrition, Inc.

Raintree Marketing, Inc.

1601 W. Koenig Ln

Austin, Texas 78756 USA

(512) 467-6130  (800) 780-5902

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Subject: fly repellent

From: "Jane Walton" <gizmo@easynet.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 16:54:55 +1000

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any ideas on what to use would be greatly appreciated









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Subject: Re: fly repellent

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 2 Aug 1998 20:47:08 GMT

--------

I've used yarrow tincture, spraying it on me. Keeps insects from landing but

they still do buzz around a bit.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: fly repellent

From: Uncle Greyboots <gmp@argonet.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 12:50:15 BST

--------

In article <6q224d$s5e$1@apple.news.easynet.net>, "Jane Walton"

<gizmo@easynet.co.uk> wrote:

> 

> any ideas on what to use would be greatly appreciated







My 'Country Herbal' suggests that FEVERFEW (Tanacetum parthenium) very

effectively repels insects of all kinds (including moths, gnats,

mosquitoes).



Feverview contains a similar substance to Pyrethrum. To shield oneself from

unwanted insects, wipe any exposed parts of the body with an infusion of the

Feverview leaves & flowers and you will be left alone.



I have used the repellent properties to cut down on flies in our rabbit

cages, by sprinkling bits of Feverview (leaves and flowers) all over the

floor of the cage before putting the straw bedding on, and to regularly add

some more on the top. The rabbits don't mind eating them either... ;-)



Hope that helps

Margret 



-- 

  ,--------------------------------\------------------------------------,

  |      _____                      \                            -------'

  \     /     \          _          _\     Graham       gmp@argonet.co.uk

   >---(       )--------(_)--------(_))=== Margret minstrel@argonet.co.uk

  /     \_____/                            Sophie     woyay@argonet.co.uk

  |                                                              -------,

  `--------------------------------^------------------------------------'







==========

Subject: Re: fly repellent

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 03 Aug 98 08:43:50 EDT

--------

Jane Walton <gizmo@easynet.co.uk>  wrote:

JW> any ideas on what to use would be greatly appreciated



    Maybe try garlic and/or vitamin B complex.



.. End  of  message

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]





==========

Subject: Re: fly repellent

From: rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com (R. Saylor)

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 14:09:53 GMT

--------

On 03 Aug 98 08:43:50 EDT, George Lagergren

<gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY> wrote:



>    Maybe try garlic and/or vitamin B complex.



I backpack a lot and stopped using DEET when I discarded a

DEET-impregnated towlette into my pack. It landed on top of my

"indestructible" Duracell flashlight. That evening I discovered that

the flashlight had melted where it had been in contact with the

towlette. That's scary.



I have had good success with vitamin B1. It repels small insects very

well, especially mosquitoes and those little gnats or whatever that

try to get into your eyes. They will land on my hair, but not on any

exposed skin. It is not very effective against larger flies. (Of

course, nothing seems to faze horseflies or the vicious New England

black fly.)



One of these days I'm going to try applying a B1 solution directly to

the skin (if I can get the tablets to dissolve).



Richard S.





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Subject: Re: fly repellent

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 4 Aug 1998 00:17:30 GMT

--------

Another thing that helps keep the insects away in the summer is a lack of sugar

in the diet. I've noticed that people who consume lots of sugar in whatever

form usually have the bugs buzzing around them.



Belinda





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Subject: Stevia

From: Hobbes@igs.net (Maureen)

Date: 2 Aug 1998 07:08:40 GMT

--------

I am looking for information about Stevia as my SO is diabetic and we are 

tiring of Equal. Can you bake with it and if so is the flavour altered? I would 

appreciate any information that you can provide. 







==========

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: "~~~" <j.m.j.@bigpond.com>

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 17:01:20 +0800

--------



Maureen wrote in message <6q139o$c8l$4@news.igs.net>...

>I am looking for information about Stevia as my SO is diabetic and we are

>tiring of Equal. Can you bake with it and if so is the flavour altered? I

would

>appreciate any information that you can provide.





I have some information on Stevia, we tried to grow it by seed but it died,

we are trying again though.

Apparently you only need to use a little bit as even one leaf is very sweet.

My information says, "Stevia is safe for diabetics. It has recently been

approved by the FDA for use in the USA"

It says that in Japan the use it for everything, as a substitute for sugar.

"In Japan, commercialization of stevia was very rapid, beginning with the

ban of artificial sweetners during the 1960's"

"Combine one tea bag of stevia with other herbal tea bags. Try straight

stevia tea... If you purchase stevia in bulk, individual leaves and pieces

of leaf can be added to beverages, sprinkled over slads or substituted for

sugar in recipies.."

"search for commercial products that contain stevia."

"many users will admit that they have also experienced a bitter aftertaste

from some brands...They often have a distinct grassy tastewith varying

degrees of biterness..." this is due to harvesting times etc.

"Stevia is, after all, nutrient-rich, containing substantial amounts of

protein, calcium, phosphorous and other important nurients."

look, there is so much information on these sheets i've printed out, i'll

try to give you the right website (it is only half printed on the bottom of

the page) :

http://www.healthfree.com/staylife.htm

all my information was by Daniel Mowrey, Ph.D.

i hope this has helped you, and i think that if you do change to stevia, you

would be better off growing your own plant because at least then you know

what you're getting. I would do anything not to take Equal as to me it is a

harmful chemical, so i understand you trying to find a better substitute.

Infact, everyone would benifit by taking stevia instead of sugar anyway. The

bleaching process devitalises the food and there is nothing left but the

sweetness.



anyway, I hope this helps you,



~~~









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Subject: Re: Stevia

From: wesdrawdy@mindspring.com (John W. Drawdy)

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 12:35:51 GMT

--------

Hobbes@igs.net (Maureen) wrote:



>I am looking for information about Stevia as my SO is diabetic and we are 

>tiring of Equal. Can you bake with it and if so is the flavour altered? I would 

>appreciate any information that you can provide. 



Maureen I do not know if my wife has baked with it but we have used in

iced tea (its good but not as good as sugar), iced coffee (tastes same

as sugar to me) and hot tea (almost same as sugar)



A little goes a long, long way.  Best price we have found is on NOW

brand.



Regards,



Wes Drawdy







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Subject: Re: Stevia

From: Leslie Taylor <Leslie@rain-tree.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:36:12 +0000

--------

You can find alot of factual data about stevia in our online tropical database of

medicinal plants.  The main database is accessible at

http://www.rain-tree.com/plants.htm  and the database file on stevia is at

http://www.rain-tree.com/stevia.htm

And yes you can cook with it, but some recipes, especially things that are baked

like cookies and cakes needs some adjustment to make up for the lack of volumn of

the sugar.



Take care,

Leslie Taylor--

Raintree Nutrition, Inc.

Raintree Marketing, Inc.

1601 W. Koenig Ln

Austin, Texas 78756 USA

(512) 467-6130  (800) 780-5902

Website:  http://www.rain-tree.com





John W. Drawdy wrote:



> Hobbes@igs.net (Maureen) wrote:

>

> >I am looking for information about Stevia as my SO is diabetic and we are

> >tiring of Equal. Can you bake with it and if so is the flavour altered? I would

> >appreciate any information that you can provide.

>

> Maureen I do not know if my wife has baked with it but we have used in

> iced tea (its good but not as good as sugar), iced coffee (tastes same

> as sugar to me) and hot tea (almost same as sugar)

>

> A little goes a long, long way.  Best price we have found is on NOW

> brand.

>

> Regards,

>

> Wes Drawdy

















==========

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: gutapa@aol.com (GUTAPA)

Date: 2 Aug 1998 19:30:36 GMT

--------

Stevia can be purchased in the U.S. in health food stores only.

It is excellant to cook with, but I've read that it doesn't 'carmelize too

well.

I can't remember the web address. but you can obtain more info. at:

petro@fastlane.net

Hope this helps.





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Subject: Re: herbal aid for dog's  hip dysplasia

From: "Yarrow" <bugfree@hishouse.net>

Date: 2 Aug 1998 08:12:00 GMT

--------

: a couple of doggy product companies selling glucosamine/chondroitin

: products for joint problems.  (I appreciate these aren't herbs).

: : Does HD fall into the same category?  If so these might help.

: : Nick

: ============================><>

HD in dogs is an inherited deformity of the hip sockets and nothing short

of surgery helps it.  This is a well researched condition and a common one

in may of the larger breeds of dogs.  There is no herbal or medical

treatment or exercise that will cure the open sockets.  It's not arthritis

of any kind.  The surgery is expensive.

-- 

Carol ....  

Warning: Studies suggest that life causes cancer.  Please refrain.

*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*<>*







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Subject: Re: herbal aid for dog's  hip dysplasia

From: "loba kola" <lobakola@csrlink.net>

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 18:12:45 -0400

--------

try ester-c.  it is not acidic like ascorbic, so it shouldnt  irritate the

stomach.  it is also time-released so yr dog wont piss it all out all at

once.  dose to bowel tolerance.  (start out with, say, 500 mgs of it, and if

dogs poop is normal, increase the mgs.  if dog developes diarrhea at a

higher dose, cut back the dose until poop is normal, you find your dogs

tolerance level of the vitamin, every dog is diff, just like humans all have

different experiences with vitamins.)   info about it lubricating the

joints, and all kiinds of experiences had by people, and what they write

their fourlegged friends are doing on this, can be searched fairly easily,

just do an "ester-c hip dysplasia" or "ester-c joint pain" search.  my dog

has ester-c every day with breakfast :)



hope this helps

loba kola









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Subject: Re: cannabis (hmp) and vikings

From: janbv@online.no (jan bojer vindheim)

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:42:30 +0200

--------

Ngilcach <ngilcach@aol.com> wrote:



 

>> Anne Stine Ingstad thinks the  shamanic practices in the old religion

>> were developed through contacts with the sami 

>> "Noaide"-shaman/priests.

>>    <snip> So could  there have been ritual  use of cannabis in

>> Scandinavia in Nordic Times?>>

  

> Other than sounding like something written for 'High Times', I dont give

> much credo to this type of info.



Ingstad presents it not as info, but as as speculation. So do I. Apart

from the cannabis, the interesting part is where the supposed "queen"

reappears as a priestess for the great Goddess, Freya. Many people

concentrare on the male priests. Nice to hear about a powerful

priestess, highly enough regarded to be given a stylish ceremonial

burial.



>  The use of hemp & hemp products amongst the ancients has been well

> documented.  As to the use of drugs on the part of Saami shamans ... from

> resources I have read, these are generally not used (during trance

> states).

 

No one suggested the saami used cannabis, as I read Ingstad she

postulates a meeting between saaami, asatru and other asian traditions

in this instance.



The use of hemp may be  ancient in Norway, but it has not been certainly

attested before Viking times.  The Oseberg ship was equipped with ropes

of lindebast, and sails of nettle-fiber. Two possible explanations:



1) hempen ropes had not been discovered



2)  the lindebast had a ceremonial meaning

 

    ----------

jan bojer vindheim 

http://home.sol.no/~jbv





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Subject: Re: herb smoking mixture?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 11:51:35 GMT

--------



>Um, could you kindly give Howie's webpage address?  



http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



Down in the page he prints his "Herbal Smoking

Mixtures" booklet.



turf











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Subject: Re: need advice to relieve poison ivy

From: gkk2001@accucomm.net (gkk2001)

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 15:16:53 GMT

--------

A topical solution (off the counter made by Bayer) called Domeboro is

great.  It will help dry infected area.



 

On 21 Jul 1998 01:51:48 GMT, "JL" <northwds@coredcs.com> wrote:



>Anyone out there have good ideas besides oatmeal baths, etc...

>to help relieve a bad case of poison ivy?

>Suggestions would be appreciated.



gkk2001





==========

Subject: Re: need advice to relieve poison ivy

From: "Vedder" <us000483@mindspring.com>

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 04:46:19 -0400

--------



gkk2001 wrote in message <35c48302.63223036@news.accucomm.net>...

>A topical solution (off the counter made by Bayer) called Domeboro is

>great.  It will help dry infected area.

>

>

>On 21 Jul 1998 01:51:48 GMT, "JL" <northwds@coredcs.com> wrote:

>

>>Anyone out there have good ideas besides oatmeal baths, etc...

>>to help relieve a bad case of poison ivy?

>>Suggestions would be appreciated.

>

>gkk2001



Jewel Weed, blended into a paste and spread topically over the area several

times a day brings relief.

JBV









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Subject: Re: need advice to relieve poison ivy

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 2 Aug 1998 23:39:52 GMT

--------

>>A topical solution (off the counter made by Bayer) called Domeboro is

>>great.  It will help dry infected area.

>>

>>

>>On 21 Jul 1998 01:51:48 GMT, "JL" <northwds@coredcs.com> wrote:

>>

>>>Anyone out there have good ideas besides oatmeal baths, etc...

>>>to help relieve a bad case of poison ivy?

>>>Suggestions would be appreciated.

>>

>>gkk2001

>

>Jewel Weed, blended into a paste and spread topically over the area several

>times a day brings relief.

>JBV



And if you drink jewelweed broth it will also help. I've boiled the jewel weed

to make it into a bright orange broth then frozen the plant material and

applied it to the poison ivy later.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: need advice to relieve poison ivy

From: "Wanda" <melange@wwa.com>

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 11:03:09 -0500

--------

Hello,

Use internally;

vit c; 3000-8000 mg; prevents infection & spreading of rash; a natural

antihistamine

Homeopathic remedy for poison ivy=Rhus toxicodendron;  relieves itching,

promotes healing

or

Hyland's Poison Ivy/Oak Tablets; homeopathic remedy

Shark cartilage; reduces inflammation

Vit A; 25000 IU p/day...do not use during pregnancy; promotes healing of

skin; boosts immune system

Zinc;  do not exceed 100 mg daily, check amount in all supplements

taken/combined; repairs skin



Use any or all of these TOPICALLY;

Vit E oil or cream;

Bactericide spray or bacitracin ointment

aloe vera; relieves burning & itching

strong tea made w/ 1 part lime juice & 1 part white oak bark; apply a wet

compress, replace when compress starts to become dry.

black walnut extract; antiseptic

bloodroot; reduces swelling...don't use if pregnant

echinacea; promotes healing of wounds topically

goldenseal; reduces skin inflammation...don't use if allergic to ragweed

myrrh; antiseptic





gkk2001 wrote in message <35c48302.63223036@news.accucomm.net>...

>A topical solution (off the counter made by Bayer) called Domeboro is

>great.  It will help dry infected area.

>

>

>On 21 Jul 1998 01:51:48 GMT, "JL" <northwds@coredcs.com> wrote:

>

>>Anyone out there have good ideas besides oatmeal baths, etc...

>>to help relieve a bad case of poison ivy?

>>Suggestions would be appreciated.

>

>gkk2001









==========

Subject: Re: cannabis &  Freya

From: janbv@online.no (jan bojer vindheim)

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:45:21 +0200

--------

Feorlen   <feorlen@hotmail.com> wrote:



 

> > I don't know if Ingstad's article has been published in English, it was

> > published here in Norway, as a major part of  a a summing up of the

> > Oseberg-finds in 1992.

> 

> Sources? Even if it's not in English, I'd like to see it.



The reference is:

Christensen, Ingstad og Myhre (1992): "Osebergdronningens grav - vaar

arkeologiske nasjonalsskatt i nytt lys". Oslo, Schibsteds Forlag.



There may well have been a parallel English-language edition

  

    ----------

jan bojer vindheim

http://home.sol.no/~jbv





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Subject: Re: cannabis &  Freya

From: feorlen@hotmail.com (Feorlen - See signature for reply address)

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 17:08:23 -0400

--------

In article <1dd5hvq.1a31ln0119oxu4N@ti29a21-0117.dialup.online.no>,

janbv@online.no (jan bojer vindheim) wrote:



> There may well have been a parallel English-language edition



That would be helpful if there is, but I'm already adding it to my next

inter-library loan list. Maybe they can hunt up an English version.

(Anybody know of an English abstract in a journal or something?) I've

gotten quite a bit of useful knowledge out of pictures and the occasional

translation from co-workers. Unfortunately, that only works for books in

German, I've gotta hook up with people who read other languages too, or

get on with learning it myself... Thanks for the reference.



-- 

feorlen at acm dot org

Please do not reply to Hotmail spam-trap.





==========

Subject: Witches

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 2 Aug 1998 20:54:02 GMT

--------

I have heard it said that most herbals written immediately after the burning

times are pure lies. Why? Because the witches were tortured for the

information. What information would you give?



Many modern day herbals are based on the information handed down through these

herbals. In fact it is sometimes pure plagerism, Culpeper seems to be a

favorite.



Any commments?



Belinda





==========

Subject: Re: Witches

From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:58:57 -0500

--------

taking a stab at this....



LEvans1044 wrote:

> 

> I have heard it said that most herbals written immediately after the burning

> times are pure lies. Why? Because the witches were tortured for the

> information. What information would you give?



> Many modern day herbals are based on the information handed down through these

> herbals. In fact it is sometimes pure plagerism, Culpeper seems to be a

> favorite.

> 

> Any commments?

> 

> Belinda

 

imho, the answer is yes and no.  yes, you would be more prone to give

erroneus information under torture.  but, no, some people probably gave

the right information.  there is a point where people break.  the

inquisitions were very good at finding it.  



also, what i've have seen, though i admit it is limited, is that people

often didn't know why things worked in those times.  look at

hand-me-down lore from families, which probably goes back before the

inquisition in some cases, and you find a lot of things that worked, but

the reason given was wrong.  since people didn't know why some things

worked, i give 'em a fifty-fifty chance on getting the right plant in

the right amount.  yes, they had experience and lore, but just because a

tradition isn't christian doesn't mean it was infallible.



my 2 cents.  you may throw away as you please.



brigid





==========

Subject: Re: Witches

From: jensummers@aol.com (JenSummers)

Date: 04 Aug 1998 13:31:43 GMT

--------

In article <35C69511.4B07@acs.tamu.edu>, brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu> writes:



>also, what i've have seen, though i admit it is limited, is that people

>often didn't know why things worked in those times.  look at

>hand-me-down lore from families, which probably goes back before the

>inquisition in some cases, and you find a lot of things that worked, but

>the reason given was wrong.  since people didn't know why some things

>worked, i give 'em a fifty-fifty chance on getting the right plant in

>the right amount.  yes, they had experience and lore, but just because a

>tradition isn't christian doesn't mean it was infallible.

>

>



My husband used one of these *passed down* remedies to remove a wart on his

finger.  I tied a cotton thread in a knot over the wart and said "wart be gone"

and buried the thread under a drain spout.  Two weeks later the wart was gone

without the aid of wart medicines.  We did this as a joke because he couldn't

get rid of the wart and my grandmother said she used this method to get rid of

warts.  

Jennifer Summers







==========

Subject: Re: Witches

From: sunmachin@aol.com (Sunmachin)

Date: 4 Aug 1998 19:32:39 GMT

--------

Very interesting. I remember I had this horrible wart on my hand when I was 10

years old. Nothing worked and I eventually had it scraped off. So gross and

bloody.  I would have much preferred your remedy.  



The power of the mind probably had something to do with it. Our brains are a

strong healing organ and have still yet to be totally explored. 





==========

Subject: Re: Witches

From: jensummers@aol.com (JenSummers)

Date: 05 Aug 1998 03:06:23 GMT

--------

In article <1998080419323900.PAA18315@ladder01.news.aol.com>, sunmachin@aol.com

(Sunmachin) writes:



>The power of the mind probably had something to do with it. Our brains are a

>strong healing organ and have still yet to be totally explored. 



I agree with you about the power of minds, but when we did this "treatment" it

was all in jest, we_didn't_believe that it would work.  



Jennifer Summers







==========

Subject: Re: Witches

From: brigid <mdb0500@acs.tamu.edu>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 23:43:35 -0500

--------

JenSummers wrote:

> My husband used one of these *passed down* remedies to remove a wart on his

> finger.  I tied a cotton thread in a knot over the wart and said "wart be gone"

> and buried the thread under a drain spout.  Two weeks later the wart was gone

> without the aid of wart medicines.  We did this as a joke because he couldn't

> get rid of the wart and my grandmother said she used this method to get rid of

> warts.

> Jennifer Summers



<shrug>  well, like i said, i've only seen a little.  if it works, it

works.  i would love to come up with counter-examples because i'm sure

they exist, but i'm responding late (for me) at night and without the

benefit of a history book.



saying that there's a fifty-fifty chance of those guys being correct

means that 50% of the time, they *were* correct....



brigid





==========

Subject: FREE HERBAL MONOGRAPHS AVAILABLE BY A PHARMACIST

From: elfreem@aol.com (Elfreem)

Date: 2 Aug 1998 20:58:49 GMT

--------

I am a pharmacist and manager of a drug therapy newsletter for over 400 

hospitals. Currently, I read about 35 to 40 medical journals. After my wife got



relief from severe PMS headaches after taking an herb called black cohosh, I

started investigating natural products and began a series on herbs in the drug

therapy newsletter. I'm really surprised at the amount of information available



and how little most healthcare professionals know. I just finished short

monographs on black cohosh, ginkgo biloba, and St. John's Wort for the drug

therapy newsletter and I'm making them available upon request. Contact me at

Elfreem@aol.com and specify which monograph or monographs you are 

interested in.  Also, I intend to start another newsletter later this year on

herbs 

and nutrition for healthcare professionals and the general public.



Sincerely, 



Elliot Freeman RPh

Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter Service

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





==========

Subject: Re: Wild Lettuc

From: "Steel" <steel@psynet.net>

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 05:45:14 +0800

--------

No it's not a poison, it's just named that because it has opiate like

alkaloids that cause mood altering & pain killing effects.For more info

check out this site...

ftp://hyperreal.com/drugs/natural/natl.intox

The Goddess Within wrote in message

<6psr1h$gs5@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...

>

>>btw. another common name for wild lettuce is poison lettuce.

>>

>>Tim

>Then, is the wild lettuce actually poison to our systems?

>

>

>









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Subject: herb database?

From: robert weyer <rweyer@arn.net>

Date: Sun, 02 Aug 1998 18:32:42 -0500

--------

Is there a website that has a database of known herbs and what they can

be used for?

preferrably one that you can search through.



please e-mail responce

---Micah







==========

Subject: Re: herb database?

From: Leslie Taylor <Leslie@rain-tree.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:49:17 +0000

--------

Well, we have a large searchable plant database on line that covers over

100 medicinal plants with well referenced and accurate information and

links to clinical research on each.  Our database however is on

tropical/rainforest plants, many of which you might not have heard about.

The url is http://www/rain-tree.com/plants.htm



For regular/standard medinical plants, I use the phytochemisty and

ethnobotany databases at the Dept of Ag.  They have quite a few different

searchable databases and the main link is

http://www.ars-grin.gov/duke/index.html



There are quite a few other databases out there. A good place to start is a

link page of databases related to plants at:

http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Colleges/LFSC/life_sciences/.plant_biology/Medicinals/helpful.html



Hope this helps!

Leslie Taylor

--

Raintree Nutrition, Inc.

Raintree Marketing, Inc.

1601 W. Koenig Ln

Austin, Texas 78756 USA

(512) 467-6130  (800) 780-5902

Website:  http://www.rain-tree.com



robert weyer wrote:



> Is there a website that has a database of known herbs and what they can

> be used for?

> preferrably one that you can search through.

>

> please e-mail responce

> ---Micah

















==========

Subject: Re: herb database?

From: sandie@best.com (Sandie)

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 16:16:39 GMT

--------

In article <35D03DCC.3BB64B62@rain-tree.com>, Leslie Taylor <Leslie@rain-tree.com> wrote:





>The url is http://www/rain-tree.com/plants.htm

>





Just for those that may have not caught it, the correct URL would be to 

replace the / between www and rain-tree with a dot:



 http://www.rain-tree.com/plants.htm











==========

Subject: cayenne Pepper, where to buy hotest?

From: "gene" <gene@ionet.net>

Date: 2 Aug 1998 23:52:48 GMT

--------

Can someone tell me where to buy the "hot" kinds of cayenne pepper (dried

and ground that is) ?  Thanks







==========

Subject: Re: cayenne Pepper, where to buy hotest?

From: opthlthopp@aol.com (OptHlthOpp)

Date: 3 Aug 1998 00:13:23 GMT

--------

Most larger urban area's have specialty stores selling nothing but hot sauce,

spices and salsas.



Another source is "Salsa Express"  a neat little catalog which I believe has a

website, I don't have the address handy.



If you are looking for a true heat experience, look for products containing

ground Habanero peppers.  My favorite is "Habanero Seasoning From Hell"

available both in specialty stores and through Salsa Express.  I use it often

as a cooking spice, sprinkling it on whatever piece of meat I have on the

barbecue.

Optimum Health Opportunities.  opthlthopp@aol.com 

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has been clinically proven to promote joint health and optimize joint mobility?





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Subject: Re: Herbs & Smoking Cessation...

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sun, 2 Aug 1998 20:07:28 -0500

--------

SJW wouldn't hurt to try. When I quit using blood purifying herbs, I used a

mixture of herbs for the stress of the hand-to-mouth addiction. They were

passion flower, valerian root, chamomile flower, hops flowers, catnip,

lavender flower, myrrh gum, and spearmint leaves.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



Wanda wrote in message <6q0ric$sh5$1@hirame.wwa.com>...

>I am just wondering, in addition to what you suggested, if also, SJW would

>be beneficial to take the psychological edge off???









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Subject: APHIDS

From: Bill Young <byoung@alaska.net>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 15:47:52 GMT

--------

I have a very serious aphid infestation in my greenhouse.  I can't

control it with ladybugs or with regular and frequent applications of

Safers soap. Can you help???

Bill Young, Alaska





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Subject: Re: APHIDS

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:27:14 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Bill Young wrote:

> 

> I have a very serious aphid infestation in my greenhouse.  I can't

> control it with ladybugs or with regular and frequent applications of

> Safers soap. Can you help???

> Bill Young, Alaska



Generally this works for me:



Mix some cayenne pepper with garlic pieces up with water in a blender,

and liquify. Fill inside a water sprayer container. Let stand outside

for a day. The next day, mix with a tiny bit of soap (not dish

detergent), and spray the tops and bottoms of leaves. Don't pour any on

the soil, just cover the leaves, flowers, etc. Repeat every few days. I

noticed the aphids not only died with the applications, but they didn't

find the taste too appealing with repeat visits.



-Val

--- 

@=-----------------------------------------=@=-----------------------=@

      The -Official- Current 93             \"What shadows we are, and

          ~Sound Source~                    | what shadows we pursue."

http://members.xoom.com/evilnoddy/index.htm /    -- Edmund Burke, 1780

@=-----------------------------------------=@=-----------------------=@                            

:   I recall in the "Peter Rabbit" books that there is a mention of   :

:     "rabbit tobaccy" smoked by one of the "old man" rabbits...      :





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Subject: Re: APHIDS

From: Leslie Taylor <Leslie@rain-tree.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:57:53 +0000

--------

I work with rainforest medicinal plants and have discovered a great plant

that has never failed with aphids. Its called Simaruba (Simarouba

officinalis) and a bark tea is brewed up and sprayed on the plants.  For

more info on Simaruba go to the plant database at:

http://www.rain-tree.com/simaruba.htm  I don't think its available anywhere

else except by our retail store in Austin, but they do offer mail order.

An ounce of powdered bark is only about $1.00 which would make about a

gallon of tea so it would be an inexpensive thing to try and see if it

works for your problem.  The retail store has a section on the website too

for contact info on mail order at:  http://www.rain-tree.com/rfm_web.htm



Best wishes and good luck!

Leslie Taylor--

Raintree Nutrition, Inc.

Raintree Marketing, Inc.

1601 W. Koenig Ln

Austin, Texas 78756 USA

(512) 467-6130  (800) 780-5902

Website:  http://www.rain-tree.com





Valerian wrote:



> x-no-archive: yes

>

> Bill Young wrote:

> >

> > I have a very serious aphid infestation in my greenhouse.  I can't

> > control it with ladybugs or with regular and frequent applications of

> > Safers soap. Can you help???

> > Bill Young, Alaska

>

> Generally this works for me:

>

> Mix some cayenne pepper with garlic pieces up with water in a blender,

> and liquify. Fill inside a water sprayer container. Let stand outside

> for a day. The next day, mix with a tiny bit of soap (not dish

> detergent), and spray the tops and bottoms of leaves. Don't pour any on

> the soil, just cover the leaves, flowers, etc. Repeat every few days. I

> noticed the aphids not only died with the applications, but they didn't

> find the taste too appealing with repeat visits.

>

> -Val

> ---

> @=-----------------------------------------=@=-----------------------=@

>       The -Official- Current 93             \"What shadows we are, and

>           ~Sound Source~                    | what shadows we pursue."

> http://members.xoom.com/evilnoddy/index.htm /    -- Edmund Burke, 1780

> @=-----------------------------------------=@=-----------------------=@

> :   I recall in the "Peter Rabbit" books that there is a mention of   :

> :     "rabbit tobaccy" smoked by one of the "old man" rabbits...      :

















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Subject: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: me@moggymiaow.demon.co.uk (moggy)

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 18:14:39 GMT

--------

Can anyone recommend any herbal remmedies that help irritable bowel

syndrome





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Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: Uncle Greyboots <gmp@argonet.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:57:13 BST

--------

In article <35c6fddf.604578@news.demon.co.uk>, me@moggymiaow.demon.co.uk

(moggy) wrote:

> 

> Can anyone recommend any herbal remmedies that help irritable bowel

> syndrome

> 



NUTMEG (Myristica fragrans). It is often used as a digestive remedy for

nausea, vomiting, diarrhoea.... In trials it has proved very successful

against Crohn's disease and chronic colitis, both of which may be related to

irritable bowel syndrome.

One suggested recipe for decoction :



5g nutmeg kernel

2g ginger

2g liquorice           in 600 ml water (3 doses)



Try taking one dose 3 times a day.



Avoid higher doses of nutmeg (7.5g and more in a single dose) because it can

produce convulsions and palpitations.



Margret   



-- 

  ,--------------------------------\------------------------------------,

  |      _____                      \                            -------'

  \     /     \          _          _\     Graham       gmp@argonet.co.uk

   >---(       )--------(_)--------(_))=== Margret minstrel@argonet.co.uk

  /     \_____/                            Sophie     woyay@argonet.co.uk

  |                                                              -------,

  `--------------------------------^------------------------------------'







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Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: cntrygalaz@aol.com (CntrygalAZ)

Date: 4 Aug 1998 00:15:56 GMT

--------

Hi there!

It was a deja vous reading your post as my husband was just diagnosed with IBS.

Here iswhat we have been doing and its helping ALOT!

Acidopholis!!!!!!! It helps replenish the GOOD bacteria and has been so

wonderful for him. He is presently taking 3 pill 3x a day as he is still

healing and then to one a day and as needed. This has iliminated the need for

pepto type products and he hasnt even taken the perscription from DR.

yayayayaya.....

Next DIET DIET DIET.....you must watch the diet. 

For a while LIMIT to NO dairy, no caffinine, not nuts or nut products.

Here is a way we learned on how to eat meals

Breakfast like a king

Lunch like a prince 

Dinner like a pauper

so in ohter words start big and go small!

NO LATE NIGHT SNACKS!!!!

Eat lots of fresh fruits and veggies. But no citrus.

An enzyme product to take before each meal might also help. You can find this

at a health food store. 

Try to limit stress of course. This is hard but try!!

Get a vitamin B supplement and take daily!!!

I do have ALOT more information so any more questions please let me know!!! I

hope this helps and works for you.

We had MAJOR doubts but tried and he is way better after 2 days! You MUST keep

this up. Dont stop because you feel better....

Honest!!!

Hope I helped and feel better soon!

Beth in Phx

CntrygalAZ@aol.com





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Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 3 Aug 1998 19:02:37 GMT

--------

aloe vera juice can be soothing



start with a tsp aft meals





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







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Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:50:52 GMT

--------



>Can anyone recommend any herbal remmedies that help irritable bowel

>syndrome



There is a complete regimen on my web page in the Suggested

Regimens for Various Maladies section at 



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



I don't sell anything.



It is pretty much taking turmeric and fennel seeds.  If this 

does not cure it, progress to stronger measures.  To get a

"taste" of this regimen, merely chew _very well_ (or take

capsules) 1t fennel seeds (The first time, it may cause

immediate evacuation, but after this it is very relaxing

and antispasmodic).

Then, add the turmeric and after a day or two there will

likely be a great improvement.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: "MindSpring User" <serenity_h@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:08:07 -0500

--------



moggy wrote in message <35c6fddf.604578@news.demon.co.uk>...

>Can anyone recommend any herbal remmedies that help irritable bowel

>syndrome

Try Guava Juice, if too sweet, mix it with apple juice









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Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: Leslie Taylor <Leslie@rain-tree.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:56:10 +0000

--------

One of the really best herbs to use for IBS and other bowel problems

like Crohn's Ulcerative Colitis and others is Cat's Claw (Uncaria

tomentosa). Alternative health practitioners around the country are

reporting dramatic results with it and writing lots of articles about

it. For more info on cat's claw go to the database file on it at:

http://www.rain-tree.com/catclaw.htm  Follow the link there to the

DirectSource homepage and you can read some of the articles that have

been written about cat's claw and irritable bowel.



Best wishes,

Leslie Taylor

--

Raintree Nutrition, Inc.

Raintree Marketing, Inc.

1601 W. Koenig Ln

Austin, Texas 78756 USA

(512) 467-6130  (800) 780-5902

Website:  http://www.rain-tree.com



Regards,





MindSpring User wrote:



> moggy wrote in message <35c6fddf.604578@news.demon.co.uk>...

> >Can anyone recommend any herbal remmedies that help irritable bowel

> >syndrome

> Try Guava Juice, if too sweet, mix it with apple juice

















==========

Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: Patrick St. Jean <psj@cgmlarson.com>

Date: 13 Aug 1998 19:34:14 GMT

--------

Leslie Taylor <Leslie@rain-tree.com> wrote:

> One of the really best herbs to use for IBS and other bowel problems

> like Crohn's Ulcerative Colitis and others is Cat's Claw (Uncaria

> tomentosa).



Ummmm...  There's only one problem with Cat's Claw.  It's got anti

coagulant properties.  I've got Ulcerative Colitis, and trust me,

during a flare up, that last thing you want is to be taking something

that stops blood from clotting.



Pat



-- 

Patrick St. Jean              '97 XLH 883                psj@cgmlarson.com

Programmer & Systems Administrator                    +1 713-977-4177 x115

Larson Software Technology                        http://www.cgmlarson.com





==========

Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 11 Aug 1998 20:57:58 GMT

--------

>>Can anyone recommend any herbal remmedies that help irritable bowel

>>syndrome



Try yogurt containing active cultures, preferably made with raw, not pasturized

milk.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: Ian Sutton <swbooks@iwl.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:53:58 -0500

--------

Cat's claw is supposed to help, as is chamomile & peppermint oil (if you can find

it!). That needs to be enteric-coated. Also acidophilus, and cascara sagrada helps

with constipation. Licorice, evening primrose oil...there are heaps of things that

can help. I have a whole book on herbs. E-mail me if you want more.

Don't send e-mail to the above address! It's not mine. Send any mail to

rush_rulz@yahoo.com

Ann



LEvans1044 wrote:



> >>Can anyone recommend any herbal remmedies that help irritable bowel

> >>syndrome

>

> Try yogurt containing active cultures, preferably made with raw, not pasturized

> milk.

>

> Belinda











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Subject: Harvesting Echinacea for home use

From: tedd@achilles.net (Ted Duross)

Date: 3 Aug 1998 18:37:06 GMT

--------



        I am elementary school teacher  and consequently am frequently exposed 

 at close range to a sneezing and sniffling clientele during the winter months. 

In the last few years it seems Ive become more susceptible to catching colds. 

This last year I tried using Echinacea  capsules to help reduce the number of 

colds I would catch. It was very helpful and seemed to improve my bounce back 

abilities.



      Since I have a number of purple cone flower plants growing very healthily 

in my garden Im wondering if would be possible and practical to harvest some 

of these plants for use later in the year; to supplement any purchases of 

Echinacea I might make.



     I have started to do some searches on the net and in my local bookshop for 

information of harvesting Echinacea. Although there seems to be a wealth of 

information on medicinal herbs I have not been too successful in finding a good 

straightforward explanation of how I should proceed. 



    The plants in my garden are of the Purpurea variety. The are at least three 

years old and are presently in full bloom. Some questions I have are :



       .what is the best time to harvest?

       .should only the roots be used  or a mixture of leaf and root.?

       .once harvested what is the best way to proceed; allow the product to 

dry and then keep for preparing teas  or  immediately prepare a tincture?

       .if a tincture is recommended then what is the best way to proceed?

       .Ive read in one source that use of an alcohol based tincture has some 

drawbacks, specifically "Alcohol tincture may destroy polysaccharides in 

Echinacea that stimulate the immune system, although other active ingredients 

remain intact and active. Most tinctures are 20% alcohol in order to preserve 

the herb, but even 10% ruins the

Echinacea. The freeze-dried form is much preferred."

     

    If anyone has a good source on the Net for this type of information 

(something cut and dried so to speak :) ), or has had a positive experience 

using a particular approach I would appreciate hearing about it. 



                                                                  Thanks,

                                                                   Ted         

     







==========

Subject: Re: Harvesting Echinacea for home use

From: kp_french@conknet.com

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:47:08 -0500

--------

Ted Duross wrote:

> 

 Some questions I have are :

> 

>        .what is the best time to harvest?



root- after leaves die back



>        .should only the roots be used  or a mixture of leaf and root.?



save the above ground parts for tea. use w/licorice for sweetener



>        .once harvested what is the best way to proceed; allow the product to

> dry and then keep for preparing teas  or  immediately prepare a tincture?



I start a tincture asa its cleaned the root can be used and saved until

it doesn't give a "tingling taste" in your mouth never have checked any

old stored root



 

>        .if a tincture is recommended then what is the best way to proceed?



my hand out from the class I took says cover herb w/enough alcohol so

that isn't above the alcohol





>        .Ive read in one source that use of an alcohol based tincture has some

> drawbacks, specifically "Alcohol tincture may destroy polysaccharides in

> Echinacea that stimulate the immune system, although other active ingredients

> remain intact and active. Most tinctures are 20% alcohol in order to preserve

> the herb, but even 10% ruins the

> Echinacea. The freeze-dried form is much preferred."



haven't heard this my material says 45-75% alcohol 



I used 100 proof old grande dad. I made a strong high ball w/it and then

filled the bottle w/ root I would shake it any time I went by it (at

least once a day) and left it for about 6 wks, remove the root and pour

through a coffee filter. I'd just cover the bottom of a glass w/the

tincture and fill the glass w/juice once a day I still have over an inch

still in the bottle. I had one cold last winter (but don't tell my boss

that)



super Immunity Tincture



1 ounce Echinacea root

1/2oz golden seal root

1/2oz myrrh powder

1/8oz cayenne

enough 80% Brandy to cover herb





ps after completion tincture can be heated to boil off the alcohol if

you don't want it or are giving it to childern



mouser





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Subject: tincture question

From: davew@wizzards.net (williams)

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 98 19:37:07 GMT

--------

I tried Ma Huang tincture and it really suppresses my appetite. 



It is made by Herb Pharm. Their directions say to use 25 - 50 drops in a glass of 

water up to 4 times a day.



I am only taking 25 drops once a day. Could anyone tell me what the best dose would 

be ( I am looking for a little extra energy too)?







==========

Subject: Re: tincture question

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:46:10 -0500

--------

williams wrote:

> 

> I tried Ma Huang tincture and it really suppresses my appetite.

> 

> It is made by Herb Pharm. Their directions say to use 25 - 50 

> drops in a glass of water up to 4 times a day.

> 

> I am only taking 25 drops once a day. Could anyone tell me what 

> the best dose would be ( I am looking for a little extra energy too)?



That's a bit of a high dose by my experience.  I got the jitters

at 20 drops - which I discovered by starting at 5 drops and 

increasing the dose stepwise every other day....  YMMV but the

main thing is to pay attention to your own physical reactions.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: salvia divinorum

From: j20333@aol.com (J20333)

Date: 3 Aug 1998 19:56:54 GMT

--------

does any one here grow salvia d ? if so what have u done to get it to grow?







==========

Subject: Re: Where to get St.John's Seeds

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 21:28:29 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



holdex@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> 

> Why don't you buy a ready made product what really works.

> I am a consultant for over 25 years and specialized

> in homeopathics and supplements.



You may be a consultant for over 25 years, but in under 1 year I learned

that it's better to buy seeds and grow your own - saving you money in

the long run - and you know what you're getting. Perhaps I should be a

consultant, too. :)



-Val

-- 

@=-----------------------------------------=@=-----------------------=@

      The -Official- Current 93             \"What shadows we are, and

          ~Sound Source~                    | what shadows we pursue."

http://members.xoom.com/evilnoddy/index.htm /    -- Edmund Burke, 1780

@=-----------------------------------------=@=-----------------------=@                            

:   I recall in the "Peter Rabbit" books that there is a mention of   :

:     "rabbit tobaccy" smoked by one of the "old man" rabbits...      :





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Subject: Re: huckleberry

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 17:54:14 -0400

--------

wendolen wrote in message ...

>In article <6plgp3$cuq@obi-wan.fdt.net>, "Richard Ogden"

><pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:

>

>: Essentially correct.  They all are in the same genus, and there are

>: differences even between different species of blueberry.

>

<Snip>

>

>What, then, about the very prolific western red huckleberry?

>

>W.





OK, I'll bite.  What about it?



-Rich











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Subject: Re: huckleberry

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:07:23 -0400

--------

I found this on alt-heath.com:



Huckleberry Leaf is used by many naturopathic physicians to treat sugar

diabetes, and ailments of the kidneys and gallbladder. This is not surprising

since the

Huckleberry is a close cousin, if not brother, to Uva Ursi, whereby its leaves

contain very similar compounds as that plant. The active principle in both is

neomyrtilicine.



This herb is one of the best for mild diabetes, and may be especially

beneficial for use in "senile" diabetes.







Anna M Wallace wrote:



> Huckleberry,Bilberry,Blueberry,all the same,only the first grows wild..Good

> for the eyes.Blood capillaries..vitamin P.

> Health food store.

> Anna

> Preferred Customer <@www.starkcounty.com> wrote in message

> <6pi9vv$k1q@ns1.ccinet.net>...

> >does anyone know where to get huckleberry, and what is it traditionally

> >known to be good for? thanks.

> >

> >





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Subject: Re: huckleberry

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:05:56 GMT

--------

On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:07:23 -0400, Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I found this on alt-heath.com:

>

>Huckleberry Leaf is used by many naturopathic physicians to treat sugar

>diabetes, and ailments of the kidneys and gallbladder. This is not surprising

>since the

>Huckleberry is a close cousin, if not brother, to Uva Ursi, whereby its leaves

>contain very similar compounds as that plant. The active principle in both is

>neomyrtilicine.

>

>This herb is one of the best for mild diabetes, and may be especially

>beneficial for use in "senile" diabetes.



Vaccinium myrtillus leaf is far gentler than the leaf of Arctostaphylos

uva-ursi.

To be able to take Arctostaphylos long-term you need an iron gut to start

with... closer in action to the Arctostaphylos -group would be the leaf of

Vaccinium vitis-idaea, which, like uva-ursi, contains quinone glycosides

(arbutin for one), and is used short-term only, usually for urinary tract

infections.



I'd like to hear if anybody has used uva-ursi (or V.vitis-idaea) for diabetes.



Cheers

Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: comfrey

From: michael brown <mbrownTIREDOFSPAM@kih.net>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 19:28:05 -0400

--------

we planted comfrey last spring, it is growing like crazy! Now what do I

do with it?





-- 

regards,

>>>> NOTE: REMOVE THE TIREDOFSPAM IN THE RETURN ADDRESS TO REPLY! <<<<

michael brown

mbrownTIREDOFSPAM@kih.net





==========

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 4 Aug 1998 00:21:47 GMT

--------

Cut the stalk, turn it upside down and dry it in an airy place with little or

no light. Put the leaves away in brown paper bags to store and use throughout

the year for better health.



Comfrey spreads thro the root system. If you pull up by the root you will

probably never get them all but you will get one plant for each bit of root you

left in the ground.



Belinda





==========

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: michael brown <mbrownTIREDOFSPAM@kih.net>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:22:22 -0400

--------

michael brown wrote:

> 

> we planted comfrey last spring, it is growing like crazy! Now what do I

> do with it?

> 

> --

> regards,

> >>>> NOTE: REMOVE THE TIREDOFSPAM IN THE RETURN ADDRESS TO REPLY! <<<<

> michael brown

> mbrownTIREDOFSPAM@kih.net



I said that wrong, should have posted....



I planted comfrey, I know what its uses are, how do I prepare it?



-- 

regards,

>>>> NOTE: REMOVE THE TIREDOFSPAM IN THE RETURN ADDRESS TO REPLY! <<<<

michael brown

mbrownTIREDOFSPAM@kih.net





==========

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: "Sheri" <sheri@get-real.net>

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:04:35 -0400

--------

Michael,



Despite the controversy over Comfrey, I use it as food and medicine.

Consensus seems to be "don't overdue it". You can eat the fresh leaves as a

vegetable or salad. It can be made into a decoction, tincture, poultice,

compress or ointment. The coolest recipe I have was just passed to me this

summer, so I haven't seen the results yet. But, it seems promising!



Comfrey Oil: (external use for skin irritations) Cut clean, dry leaves into

1" squares. Pack into a clean, dark glass jar. Store for 2 years-DO NOT

OPEN. Result is a viscous amber liquid. Decant oil to remove sediment.



>I planted comfrey, I know what its uses are, how do I prepare it?

>

>--

>regards,

>>>>> NOTE: REMOVE THE TIREDOFSPAM IN THE RETURN ADDRESS TO REPLY! <<<<

>michael brown

>mbrownTIREDOFSPAM@kih.net









==========

Subject: siberian ginseng

From: wseven777@aol.com (Wseven777)

Date: 4 Aug 1998 01:28:09 GMT

--------

hello all.  i heard a discussion on here stating that siberian ginseng is not

actually ginseng.  ive also heard that ginseng is hard to find that is truly

potent and effective.  that much of what is sold is garbage.   a couple weeks

ago i purchased a bottle of siberian ginseng from hypericum buyers club.  so

far i havent noticed any effects from it that i am readily conscious of.  does

anyone have an opinion on this particular product - and in particular  - the

siberian breed of "ginseng".  

thanks

bill

wseven777@aol.com





==========

Subject: Re: siberian ginseng

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:22:06 -0400

--------

My first question to you would be:  What are you taking ginseng for?  You are

correct that Siberian Ginseng is not a true (panax) ginseng, it belongs to the

family of eleutherosides.  However, the uses are similar.  Both are used to

balance the body's energy--the panax ginsengs for chronic cases--not to be used

for more than about six months. The Siberian Ginseng is milder and can be used

over a longer period of time for maintainance of balance.  The quality of ginseng

varies greatly from the vacuum-packed roots sold by Il Hwa to the inexpensive

energy pills sold at convienence stores.  Stick to name brands, they do the

research and testing for you.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin Discount Connection



Wseven777 wrote:



> hello all.  i heard a discussion on here stating that siberian ginseng is not

> actually ginseng.  ive also heard that ginseng is hard to find that is truly

> potent and effective.  that much of what is sold is garbage.   a couple weeks

> ago i purchased a bottle of siberian ginseng from hypericum buyers club.  so

> far i havent noticed any effects from it that i am readily conscious of.  does

> anyone have an opinion on this particular product - and in particular  - the

> siberian breed of "ginseng".

> thanks

> bill

> wseven777@aol.com





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Subject: Re: siberian ginseng

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:58:23 -0400

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Chip Engelmann wrote in message <35C68C6E.B84A72AB@vitamindiscount.com>...

>My first question to you would be:  What are you taking ginseng for?  You

are

>correct that Siberian Ginseng is not a true (panax) ginseng, it belongs to

the

>family of eleutherosides.



"Eleutherosides" is actually the name of the compounds that have been found

to be responsible for the activity.  The genus name of Siberian or eleuthero

"ginseng" is Eleutherococcus (in some older references Acanthopanax) but the

Family is Araliaceae, the same as the true (Panax spp.) ginsengs.



I know, picky picky picky ;-)



-Rich











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Subject: Re: siberian ginseng

From: bgies@ginseng.ca

Date: 4 Aug 1998 16:02:31 GMT

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On 4 Aug 1998 01:28:09 GMT, wseven777@aol.com (Wseven777) wrote:

> hello all.  i heard a discussion on here stating that siberian ginseng is not

> actually ginseng.  ive also heard that ginseng is hard to find that is truly

> potent and effective.  that much of what is sold is garbage.   a couple weeks

> ago i purchased a bottle of siberian ginseng from hypericum buyers club.  so

> far i havent noticed any effects from it that i am readily conscious of.  does

> anyone have an opinion on this particular product - and in particular  - the

> siberian breed of "ginseng".  

> thanks

> bill

> wseven777@aol.com



"Siberian Ginseng" is definitely not ginseng. It's 

Eleutherococcus Senticosis, and should properly be called 

"Eleuthro" for short, not ginseng. Marketers came up with the 

term "Siberian Ginseng" because ginseng has a good reputation, 

and nobody knew what "Eleuthro" was.



However, it can be very effective for athletes etc. It has 

properties that enhance the body's use of oxygen and therefore 

is very good for endurance type of sports.



Sorry, can't comment on particular brand names, but we do have 

general information on our website.





Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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Subject: dandelion green recipes?

From: rafael <rafael@nyct.net>

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 02:16:42 GMT

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I've been trying to add dandelion greens to my diet because they have so

many nutrients especially helpful during pregnancy.  The problem is,

they're really bitter!  Can anyone recommend a way of preparing them

that will make them easier to eat?



Thanks, Yael





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Subject: Re: dandelion green recipes?

From: "Anna M Wallace" <amwallace@erols.com>

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:34:07 -0400

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Must be young tender leaves,get recipe for warm salad dressing,oil corn

starch,vinegar, sugar,bacon bits,don't have recipe on hand.

Anna

rafael wrote in message <35C66F0A.2A44@nyct.net>...

>I've been trying to add dandelion greens to my diet because they have so

>many nutrients especially helpful during pregnancy.  The problem is,

>they're really bitter!  Can anyone recommend a way of preparing them

>that will make them easier to eat?

>

>Thanks, Yael









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Subject: Re: dandelion green recipes?

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 4 Aug 1998 19:59:48 GMT

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>Must be young tender leaves,get recipe for warm salad dressing,oil corn

>starch,vinegar, sugar,bacon bits,don't have recipe on hand.

>Anna

>rafael wrote in message <35C66F0A.2A44@nyct.net>...

>>I've been trying to add dandelion greens to my diet because they have so

>>many nutrients especially helpful during pregnancy.  The problem is,

>>they're really bitter!  Can anyone recommend a way of preparing them

>>that will make them easier to eat?

>>



>>Thanks, Yael



Whatever you do don't ruin perfecty good dandelion greens with sugar!



You might try making a vinegar out of the root and using that on a salad but if

it is greens you want you should go for them in the early spring or later in

the fall when the weather cools somewhat. You are right, now they taste bitter

as anything!



Belinda





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Subject: Re: dandelion green recipes?

From: "Sheri" <sheri@get-real.net>

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:24:13 -0400

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Try to find a copy of Susun Weed's book, "Wise Woman Herbal -Healing Wise".

She has a great chapter on Dandelion with many recipes. It was published by

Ash Tree Publishing, Woodstock, NY. Copyright 1989.



sheri@get-real.net



rafael wrote in message <35C66F0A.2A44@nyct.net>...

>I've been trying to add dandelion greens to my diet









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Subject: Re: dandelion green recipes?

From: MaryAnne Long <malong@lava.net>

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 06:45:48 -1000

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> rafael wrote in message <35C66F0A.2A44@nyct.net>...

> >I've been trying to add dandelion greens to my diet



This is simple and tasty.



Rinse dandelion greens - keep damp; heat a bit of butter or oleo in a

skillet; then toss greens into skillet.  They will wilt quickly.  When

wilted, add a bit of balsamic vinegar and cracked pepper.



Serve immediately.



Aloha,



MaryAnne





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To: rafael@nyct.net

Subject: Re: dandelion green recipes?

From: mp56347 <dwh@get2net.dk>

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 10:34:48 +0200

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rafael wrote:

> 

> I've been trying to add dandelion greens to my diet because they have so

> many nutrients especially helpful during pregnancy.  The problem is,

> they're really bitter!  Can anyone recommend a way of preparing them

> that will make them easier to eat?

> 

> Thanks, Yael



I up-end an old plant pot over the plants when I have picked the first,

tender green leaves. It'll come back, and thanks to the light

deprivation, they don't grow too bitter. I use them in spinach - I steam

them and eat then with scrambled eggs in the morning - I use them in

salads.....but just remember, the younger, the better and less bitter.



Blessings, 



Dana





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Subject: Re: dandelion green recipes?

From: Thomas McClung <chip@mcclung.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:29:52 -0400

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Try in a tea with red raspberry and peppermint and drink. It is wonderful in

tea hot or cold.

Cathy



rafael wrote:



> I've been trying to add dandelion greens to my diet because they have so

> many nutrients especially helpful during pregnancy.  The problem is,

> they're really bitter!  Can anyone recommend a way of preparing them

> that will make them easier to eat?

>

> Thanks, Yael

>







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Subject: Question: Antidepressive compatibility

From: tbgh@svygulfcnzzref.pbz (jDuB)

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 02:38:11 GMT

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I have concerns about using Wellbutrin in conjunction with St. John's

Wort. Is it safe? Does either one cancel out the benefits of the

other? Has anyone heard of the results of combining the two together?

Any answers appreciated. Thanks.





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Subject: Re: Question: Antidepressive compatibility

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 04:17:55 GMT

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tbgh@svygulfcnzzref.pbz (jDuB) wrote:



>I have concerns about using Wellbutrin in conjunction with St. John's

>Wort. Is it safe? Does either one cancel out the benefits of the

>other? Has anyone heard of the results of combining the two together?

  The only research I found (as in real research by real doctors)

found that the combination allowed them to decrease the dose of

the anti-depressant pills and still get an anti-depressant

effect.

  Don't try this on your own: if you want to give it a try, let

whoever prescribet the Welbutrin know what you plan to do.







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Subject: Re: Found affordable Kava and Valarian Root!

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 22:39:57 -0400

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As far as I can tell, there is no research to support the combining of kava kava

& valerian (although I haven't read everything).  Typically kava kava is taken

to reduce stress (to take the edge off) and one of the big selling points, so to

speak, is that it doesn't promote drousiness.  Valerian is used to help bring on

sleep. Basically it has traditionally been used as a sedative & used to treat

hysteria.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin Discount Connection



Silverthorn Wolf wrote:



> I was in my local ShopKo (K-mart type store) and they had 150mg Kava Root

> 100 capsules for $6.  Valarian root was the same price.  What I need to

> know, is it says to take Kava two capsules three times per day, but the

> valarian root, it says to only take at night.  I want to combine the two but

> how much valarian root should I take?

> Thanks,

> Silverthorn Wolf

>

> --

> vmsmith@execpc.com

> ---------------------------------------------

> To Reply: Change nospam to execpc

> Or just click on the e-mail address above (DUH!)

> Merry meet,  merry part,  merry meet again.





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Subject: Re: Herbs: Allthe same??

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:14:36 -0400

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I know of no studies that compare mass-market supplements with those sold at health

food stores.  I do know of several MAJOR herbal companies that produce both mass

market supplements and those sold at health food stores.  Basically there are two

seperate markets both with limited profit margins.  Because the mass-market stores

demand lower prices at the counter, compromises are made in the production.  Most

of the compromises I've seen are in the form of the supplement; ex. Oyster Shell

Calcium-- hard to absorb vs. Calcium Citrate combined with Magnesium--easier to

absorb) and delivery systems--technology that creates a system for absorbtion for a

result.  Herbal manufacturers can make two  150 mg ginseng products that vary

greatly in amount of gineosides and panaxosides.  Unfortunately, you get what you

pay for.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin Discount Connection



LEvans1044 wrote:



> >I have tried a few herbs with not great results. My question is this,

> >are the different brands the same. For example is Gingo bought at

> >Wal-Mart the same as some bought at a herbal store? Please send me

> >proven results don't slam Wal-mart just because you run a herb store.

> >All opinions welcome.

> >Mark

>

> All the same is right, very little plant material, very little effect. I'm sure

> my 2-3 drops of tincture is more effective than any capsules bought at any of

> the above mentioned.

>

> Belinda





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Subject: quercetin and bromelin

From: "bobsham" <bobsham@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:24:45 -0400

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does anyone have any info on these two molecules/nutrition substitutes?



any info would be appreciated

thanks

bobsham









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Subject: Re: quercetin and bromelin

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 01:23:50 -0400

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The fact that you are bringing these two up together suggests that you are

looking for an allergy formula.  Quercetin is a bioflavanoid that on a

cellular level prevents histamine release.  In other words, if you are

irritated by an allergen, you don't experience the symptoms.  It works as a

preventative, you must take the supplement for several weeks before you are

exposed to the allergen.  The bromelin is a digestive enzyme that, in this

case, helps with the absorption of the quercetin.  The combo works even

better when combined with 1000 mg of C.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin Discount Connection



bobsham wrote:



> does anyone have any info on these two molecules/nutrition substitutes?

>

> any info would be appreciated

> thanks

> bobsham





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Subject: Re: quercetin and bromelin

From: "a_byron" <a_byron@yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 14:29:42 GMT

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Onions are a very good source of quercetin and related compounds. The form

in onions is absorbed better than the purified form.  Bromelin is often

reccomended with pure quercetin to increase absorption (although it may

have other activity itself).  Unlike the sulfur compounds in onions and

garlic (which evaporate somewhat on cooking), the quercetin is not lost in

cooking. 



Jonathan



bobsham <bobsham@email.msn.com> wrote in article

<#GwoEe1v9GA.259@upnetnews03>...

> does anyone have any info on these two molecules/nutrition substitutes?

> 

> any info would be appreciated

> thanks

> bobsham

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: Lemon balm

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:38:30 -0400

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Here is what I found on alt-health.com:



Host Site: Viable Herbal Solutions

Lemon Balm, from the Plant Melissa officinalis, is also called balm mint, bee

balm, blue balm, cure-all, dropsy plant, garden balm, lemon balm, melissa, and

sweet

balm. The medicinal parts include the herb, and the leaves.



Balm is a perennial plant that is common in the Mediterranean area and the

Near East, but is also naturalized in some places in the US. Mostly, it is

cultivated as a

culinary herb, but it grows wild in fields and gardens and along roadsides.

The stem is upright, hairy, quadrangular, and branched, and grows as high as 3

feet. The

leaves are opposite, ovate, long-pertoiled, somewhat hairy, bluntly serrate,

and acuminate. The bilabiate flowers grow in axillary clusters, and may vary

in color from

pale yellow to rose colored or blue-white. The flowering time is July and

August. When bruised, the whole plant smells like lemon.



Balm has been used as an antispasmodic, calmative, carminative, diaphoretic,

emmenagogue, and stomachic. Balm is a remedy for common female complaints, and

is

useful for all sorts of nervous problems, including hysteria, melancholy and

insomnia. Balm tea is used to relieve cramps, dyspepsia, flatulence, colic,

chronic bronchial

catarrh, and some forms of asthma. Balm has also been used for migraine and

toothache, and, during pregnancy, for headaches and dizziness.



The warm infusion has diaphoretic effects. An infusion of the leaves added to

bath water is also said to promote the onset of menstruation. The crushed

leaves can be

used as a poultice for sores, tumors, milk-knots, and insect bites.



Balm is also used in herb pillows because of its agreeable odor.



Lemon balm has the ability to heal wounds, ease indigestion, relieve menstrual

cramps, fight cold sores (herpes simplex), relax nerves, soothe minor wounds &

insect

stings, help prevent sleeplessness - and even repel mosquitoes. Bees love this

lemon-scented herb, which is what earned it the nicknames of 'lemon balm' and

'melissa'

(from the Greek for "bee"). But its fragrance is nothing compared with its

many and varied medicinal properties, earning it another nickname -

"cure-all".



Modern research backs up many of balm's healing powers. "Various small-scale

laboratory studies in Germany have demonstrated that its leaves contain

compounds

with sedative, digestive and anti-spasmodic effects", says Varro E. Tyler,

Ph.D., Professor of Pharmacognosy at Purdue University School of Pharmacy in

West

Lafayette, Indiana, and author of "The Honest Herbal". Although Balm has just

recently made its mark in American medicine, it's been highly valued by herbal



practitioners in Western Europe for some 2,000 years. Balm was considered a

must-have plant for Elizabethan herb gardens, and over the centuries it's been

a popular

home remedy for a host of common ailments.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin Discount Connection



Kim Triplett wrote:



> Please re-post answers on uses for lemon balm.  Sorry, I missed the posts.

> Thanks.                 Kim





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Subject: save my sage

From: k_silvermoon@geocities.com (Kitiara)

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 03:48:12 GMT

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Help, I recently bought a sage plant from the nursery, It did well in

a pot by the window for about a week and a half, then in 1 day, all

the leaves fell off and it started to dry out. But the soil was still

moist. What did I do???







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Subject: Re: save my sage

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 04:18:22 GMT

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k_silvermoon@geocities.com (Kitiara) wrote:



>Help, I recently bought a sage plant from the nursery, It did well in

>a pot by the window for about a week and a half, then in 1 day, all

>the leaves fell off and it started to dry out. But the soil was still

>moist. What did I do???

  Overwatered it?  Plants can drown.





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Subject: Re: save my sage

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:52:41 -0400

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Kitiara wrote in message <35c683fc.4449139@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

>Help, I recently bought a sage plant from the nursery, It did well in

>a pot by the window for about a week and a half, then in 1 day, all

>the leaves fell off and it started to dry out. But the soil was still

>moist. What did I do???





Sage needs full sun and a well drained soil.  Moving almost any plant that

has been grown in full sun inside - even in front of a south-facing window -

results in a huge decrease in the total amount of light the plant receives.

It is quite common for plants under these conditions to go into shock and

loose leaves.  If your plant has lost all its leaves, it may be time to buy

another one - and, preferably, find a place outside in full sun for it.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: save my sage

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 10:52:41 -0400

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Kitiara wrote in message <35c683fc.4449139@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

>Help, I recently bought a sage plant from the nursery, It did well in

>a pot by the window for about a week and a half, then in 1 day, all

>the leaves fell off and it started to dry out. But the soil was still

>moist. What did I do???





Sage needs full sun and a well drained soil.  Moving almost any plant that

has been grown in full sun inside - even in front of a south-facing window -

results in a huge decrease in the total amount of light the plant receives.

It is quite common for plants under these conditions to go into shock and

loose leaves.  If your plant has lost all its leaves, it may be time to buy

another one - and, preferably, find a place outside in full sun for it.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Mens Herb

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:55:29 -0400

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A couple of well-known men's formulas are:



Masculex by Enzymatic Therapy

Male Power by Futurebiotics



A  newcomer to the popular scene is the Bulgarian herb Tribulus

Terrestris.  It is popular with bodybuilders who believe that it helps in

the production of testosterone.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin Discount Connection



Tex WEAVER wrote:



> I am looking for a herb or herbs that are  made for men, and make them

> more Ready for there sex or more energy.

>

> thanks

> MIKE

>

> txspike@webtv.net





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Subject: Re: Mens Herb

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 17:11:01 GMT

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On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:55:29 -0400, Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>A  newcomer to the popular scene is the Bulgarian herb Tribulus

>Terrestris.  It is popular with bodybuilders who believe that it helps in

>the production of testosterone.



Bulgarian, eh? Until I went to the USA I hadn't seen it, ever. I have travelled

in Europe ... so. As far as I know it's an American weed, also called puncture

wine. Widely used in Ayurveda, too; mainly affecting blood sugar levels, but if

you want to correct me there feel free to do so.



I expect this wonder herb from Bulgaria, of all places, will be the next fad

then...



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: Mens Herb

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 13:15:45 -0400

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Henriette Kress wrote in message <35d1401f.4571987@news.eunet.fi>...

>On Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:55:29 -0400, Chip Engelmann

<chip@vitamindiscount.com>

>wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>A  newcomer to the popular scene is the Bulgarian herb Tribulus

>>Terrestris.  It is popular with bodybuilders who believe that it helps in

>>the production of testosterone.

>

>Bulgarian, eh? Until I went to the USA I hadn't seen it, ever. I have

travelled

>in Europe ... so. As far as I know it's an American weed, also called

puncture

>wine. Widely used in Ayurveda, too; mainly affecting blood sugar levels,

but if

>you want to correct me there feel free to do so.

>

>I expect this wonder herb from Bulgaria, of all places, will be the next

fad

>then...

>

>Henriette

>



Well, Henriette, we all know you are the ultimate authority on every

herb...right?



Well, maybe not.  Tribulus terrestris is an herb with a long history of use

in traditional Chinese medicine.  Its name pinyin is spelled as Bai Ji Li or

Ci Ji Li.  The "seeds" (actually technically the fruit) are used in TCM

primarily as a tonic for men (i.e.: sexual tonic).  My botanical and Chinese

medical sources say it is a cosmopolitan plant found almost everywhere in

the world; it is *not* an "American weed", in fact it is listed as an "Old

World" (i.e.: non-American) species.  The two most common English names for

it are Puncture Vine and Caltrop.



Here is what http://www.vermontnutrition.com/tribulus.htm has to say about

Tribulus:



"Tribulus Terrestris is an herb commonly known as "Puncture Vine" or Caltrop

fruit, grown in various parts of the world and used medicinally for it

virilizing effects. Studies have shown a better than 50% increase in

testosterone levels when taking the Tribulus Terrestris herb.



"The Chemical Pharmaceutical Institute in Sofia, Bulgaria conducted Clinical

studies on Tribulus which showed improved reproductive functions, including

increased sperm production and Testosterone levels in men. Among women,

Tribulus increased the concentration of hormones including Estradiol, with

Testosterone being very slightly influenced, thereby improving reproductive

function, libido and ovulation. A significant benefit of Tribulus is the

stimulation of hormone production to a balanced level, without

overstimulating the secretion of hormones.



"Tribulus Terrestris has been used for centuries in Europe for hormone

insufficiency in men and women. It has been used in the treatment of liver,

kidney and urinary tract disease, and all types of skin disorders by Chinese

herbalists.



"When scientists began studying the remarkable curative power of Tribulus

Terrestris, they discovered that it significantly elevates the level of

several hormones: Testosterone; Luteinizing Hormone (LH is a gonad

stimulating hormone produced by the pituitary gland); Follicle Stimulating

Hormone (FSH); and Estradiol.



<snip>



"No adverse effects to the central nervous or cardiovascular systems were

noted in any of the clinical studies; no toxicity and no deviations in blood

count occurred. No known negative effects presently exist when Tribulus is

used as a dietary supplement."

-------------



Another site says "Tribulus Terrestris [is] believed to increase lutenizing

hormone (LH) that signals the pituitary gland to produce testosterone"



Here are a few more web sites with a lot of related info:



http://www.tribestan.com/clinic1.htm#chem

http://www.alphalink.com.au/~health/Tribulus.html

http://www.newpeak.com/lib/aapi/avtt2.htm

http://www.reach4life.com/1365l.html

http://www.southernblue.com/Tribulus/doc1.htm

http://www.azstarnet.com/~wayout/trib.html

http://www.anbg.gov.au/angio/zygophyl.htm (botany of the family)



Whew!  Another "wonder drug"  (as in "I *wonder* when the promoters got

ahold of this..." ;-).  I do have some concerns though about long term

effects on the liver.  It looks like the modern studies have dealt only with

short-term use, and one web site mentions the need to use it in cycles with

2-week rest periods. And bear in mind that of course most of the references

are selectively quoted by people marketing products containing Tribulus

terrestris either "raw" or as an extract.



P.S.: Anyone interested in doing some serious web searches should really try

the Copernic search program, available as *shareware* from

http://www.copernic.com/  This program actually makes use of 8 or 10 other

major search engines, then compiles a list of "hits" from all of them in a

form that allows you to double click on the reference and go directly to the

website, just like the single search engines do.  Really worth the time, and

the shareware version (which gets the first 10 hits from each of the search

engines it uses) doesn't cost anything.  I just use it, I don't sell it, but

it's hard to imagine doing searches without it anymore.  I used the

shareware version to look for "Tribulus" and it gave me 60 links.



 -Rich











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Subject: Re: Mens Herb

From: Michael Vernon <mikev@symsystems.com>

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 20:00:55 GMT

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Henriette wrote:



I don't recall Tribulus being identified as a "Bulgarian" herb, rather

the connection was to the Bulgarian weight lifters competing in the

Olympics (not sure which but at least 10 years ago). As a result of the

scrutiny paid to steroid use, they switched to "natural" supplements.

The following is from the Mass Quantities website:



"Tribulus raises testosterone levels by increasing the production of

luteinizing hormone (LH). According to Bill Phillips, author of the

Sports Supplement Review Third Issue...



The compound has been widely used in Asia to enhance fertility.

Laboratory animal

studies show that it increases sperm production ... Two other studies

performed on

animals reported increased testosterone production and testicular

maturation ... A

study involving healthy individuals taking 750 mg/day of tribulus

terrestris evaluated

hormonal responses and revealed LH increased in males from 14.38 ml/U/ml

to 24.75

ml/U/ml (that's a 72% increase). The free testosterone in males went

from 60 ng/dl to

84.5 ng/dl (an increase of 41%) ... another study including over 200

male subjects

suffering from impotence (often caused by low testosterone levels)

showed that many

(but not all) of the men experienced an increase in LH and testosterone

as well as

sperm production and mobility."



My experience with this herb has shown it to be effective in enhancing

one's motivation in the gym and (if you're not careful) aggression in

general.



Michael







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Subject: Re: Mens Herb

From: Leslie Taylor <Leslie@rain-tree.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 13:07:09 +0000

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Another great male herb to research is Muira puama (Ptychopetalum olacoides).

There have been some french studies showing that it is better than the Rx

drug yohimbine HCL for impotency and lack of libido. Its also just a great

male tonic.  Factual referenced data on muira puama and one of the french

trials is accessible from our database at:

http://www.rain-tree.com/muirapuama.htm



Another good, new and upcomming herb for libido (for males as well as women)

is a plant called Catuaba (Erythroxlum catuaba).  It has been the most famous

of Brazilian aphrodisiac plants for many many years.  Its in the Coca family

but doesnt have any of the cocaine alkaloids.   Info on this plant is in the

database as well at http://www.rain-tree.com/catuaba.htm



I read and seen the research on tribulus. It is interesting and does show

that it can elevate testosterone levels, yet at the dosages used and the

current marketing prices of the tribulus products I've seen out there, you're

looking at spending several hundred dollars monthly for at least 3 months to

recreate the results seen in the studies.



Regards,

Leslie Taylor

--

Raintree Nutrition, Inc.

Raintree Marketing, Inc.

1601 W. Koenig Ln

Austin, Texas 78756 USA

(512) 467-6130  (800) 780-5902

Website:  http://www.rain-tree.com



Chip Engelmann wrote:



> A couple of well-known men's formulas are:

>

> Masculex by Enzymatic Therapy

> Male Power by Futurebiotics

>

> A  newcomer to the popular scene is the Bulgarian herb Tribulus

> Terrestris.  It is popular with bodybuilders who believe that it helps in

> the production of testosterone.

>

> Chip Engelmann

> Vitamin Discount Connection

>

> Tex WEAVER wrote:

>

> > I am looking for a herb or herbs that are  made for men, and make them

> > more Ready for there sex or more energy.

> >

> > thanks

> > MIKE

> >

> > txspike@webtv.net

>

>   ------------------------------------------------------------

>

>   Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

>   Vitamin Discount Connection

>

>   Chip Engelmann

>   Vitamin Discount Connection  <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

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>                                Netscape Conference DLS Server

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Subject: Re: passionflower and sleep

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:07:12 -0400

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I got this from alt-health.com:



Host Site: Health World Online

Indications : Passiflora has a depressant effect on C.N.S.activity and is

hypotensive; they are used for their sedative and soothingproperties, to lower

blood pressure,

prevent tachycardia and for insomnia. Thealkaloids and flavonoids have both

been reported to have sedative activity inanimals. Many of the flavonoids, such

as

apigenin, are well-known forpharmacological activity, particularly

anti-spasmodic and anti-inflammatoryactivities. It is the herb of choice for

treating intransigent

insomnia.It aids the transition into a restful sleep without any 'narcotic'

hangover.It may be used wherever an anti-spasmodic is required, e.g. in

Parkinson'sdisease,

seizures and hysteria. It can be very effective in nerve pain suchas neuralgia

and the viral infection of nerves called shingles.It may be used in asthma

where there is

much spasmodic activity,especially when there is associated tension.



Ellingwood considered it specific for "wakefulness, disturbed sleep frommental

worry, and exhaustion from cerebral fulness and from excitement,especially with



feebleness. Anemic patients are relieved by it, also thewakefulness of infants

and the aged. It is not usually efficient if thewakefulness is caused by pain,

nor when the

patient is in full strength.Nervous excitement, and irritation with muscular

twitchings, evidences ofapproaching convulsions in childhood, with marked

cerebral fulness

areindications, and it is given at any time preceding or during

convulsiveparoxysms if it can be swallowed. It is indicated in convulsions of

anycharacter." In addition he

recommends it for the following conditions:convulsions of childhood, severe

spasms, epilepsy, chorea,tetanus, hysteria, persistent hiccough, sleeplessness

oftuberculosis.





Preparations & Dosage : Infusion: pour a cup of boiling water onto lteaspoonful

of the dried herb and let infuse for l5 minutes. Drink a cup in theevening for

sleeplessness, and a cup twice a day for the easing of otherconditions.

Tincture: take l-4 ml of the tincture and use the same way as theinfusion.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin Discount Connection





The Goddess Within wrote:



> I have read a few posts which state that there are some who smoke

> passionflower as an aid to sleep.  If anyone has proper amounts/any tips on

> this procedure, I would like to try it, if it can indeed help me on those

> occasional sleepless nights.  However, I am concerned with adverse

> reactions, overdoses, etc., and do not want to just 'do it' without proper

> knowledge.





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Subject: huckleberry/blueberry/etc.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 04:16:07 GMT

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These are related species of the Vaccinium genus.  All can be

found in the wild, and most are hard to cultivate outside their

native range because they are fussy about soil and moisture.



V. corymbosum = blueberry

V. ashei  =  "rabbiteye" blueberry

V. ovatum = huckleberry (evergreen)

V. parvifolium = red hucklebarry (deciduous)

V. vitis-ideae - cowberry or foxberry

V. v. minus - lingonberry



The "Uva Ursi" or bear-berry is a distant cousin of these (in the

Manzanita family, which is also related to the heathers of

Europe), not the close relative the other post claimed.  The

species name is Arctostaphylous uva-ursi.

 It's not known for having tasty fruit, and bears preferred

huckleberries where I used to live.





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Subject: Re: SJW question

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:31:11 -0400

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This is a good point.  Prozac is a derivative of St. John's Wort.  It is important

that if you are taking SJW and Prozac, you tell your doctor.  Prozac dosages are

balanced and taking SJW upsets that balance.



I got this from alt-health.com



Host Site: Health World Online  (Excerpted with permission form St. John's Wort:

Nature's Blues Buster, Avery Publishing)



I have used St. John's wort with patients who were already on antidepressants,

including Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor (venlafaxine hydrochloride), and the tricyclics

(see

Prozac and Beyond-The Synthetic Antidepressants), as well as those taking the amino

acids such as tyrosine. Of possible concern in these cases is "serotonin

syndrome," or an excessive serotonin buildup in the brain. There is no record of

this occurring, despite thousands of people having taken the combination of St.

John's

wort and SSRIs. When asked about this possibility, Dr. Jerry Cott, a

psychopharmacologist at the National Institute of Mental Health, asserted that

"there have been

no deaths or toxic reactions, no adverse interactions related to MAO inhibition,

and no incidents of serotonin syndrome reported in the literature. There is no

clear

evidence that serotonin is even [activated] by St. John's wort in . . . animal

studies or in human trials." It is clear that more research is needed before we

fully

understand how this herb works.



One of the most common questions I am asked concerns the best way to switch from an

antidepressant to St. John's wort. There is no research data on this subject,

only the experiences of many patients and their physicians. We all look forward to

having definitive reports in the future. For now, I can say that the process must

be

done under a doctor's supervision, preferably the one who prescribed the

antidepressant. If your doctor is reluctant to do this, I would encourage you to

share this

book with him or her. The doctor can thus become familiar with the clinical use of

St. John's wort. He or she can also look up the research evidence in Chapter 6,

including an explanation of why there is so little North American research on this

subject. Appendix C will provide your doctor with the appropriate changeover

protocol.



It is important to point out that switching from a synthetic antidepressant to St.

John's wort without appropriate supervision can pose serious problems. For example,

if

me antidepressant is stopped abruptly, a rebound effect could result, leading to

renewed anxiety and depression. Or, if St. John's wort is combined with the wrong

drug, there can be negative consequences. This is especially true of MAO-inhibiting

antidepressants such as Nardil (phenelzine sulfate) or Parnate (tranylcypromine

sulfate). Also, as we have discussed, St. John's wort is not recommended as the

sole treatment in major depression, and its use in bipolar disorder remains a

question.



As we've seen in this chapter, St. John's wort is pretty simple to use-- just take

it with meals. While the side effects are generally minimal, it is essential to

speak with

your doctor if you have a preexisting medical condition or if you are already

taking an antidepressant. Finding a doctor open to natural therapies may be an

important

consideration. In the next chapter, I'll discuss the studies that support the use

of St. John's wort.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin Discount Connection





LEvans1044 wrote:



> >On the subject of SJW, is it counter-productive to be taking it along with

> >a pharmaceutical anti-depressant such as prozac or zoloft  ?  I believe I'm

> >correct that SJW, as an MAOI, acts differently than the serotonin re-uptake

> >inhibitor class drugs, so ??? I'd appreciate any comments.

> >

> >

>

> Just have to put in my 2 cents. My lover is taking Paxel and SJW and has been

> for the last year or so. He has lowered his Paxel by 1/2, which is good as his

> insurance runs out in November. Thus far no bad effects, no problems in the sun

> or any others. He uses SJW tincture as much as he wants, 20 drops from 3 - 10

> times a day or more. We harvest and prepare our own tincture.

>

> Belinda





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Subject: Re: SJW question

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 12:06:41 GMT

--------

Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com> wrote:



>This is a good point.  Prozac is a derivative of St. John's Wort. 

Prozac IS NOT A DERIVATIVE OF SAINT JOHN'S WORT! Forget you  ever

heard anyone claim that.  Look up the chemical formulation if you

doubt me.



> It is important that if you are taking SJW and Prozac, 

>you tell your doctor.  Prozac dosages are

>balanced and taking SJW upsets that balance.

  This is true ... taking two anti-depressants can make the

dosages vary.  Usually the stronger (the Prozac) can be decreased

by 1/3 to 1/2 after the SJW kicks in.





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Subject: Re: SJW question

From: jmtREMOVETHIS@yar.auracom.com (J. Mark Taylor)

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 21:20:37 GMT

--------

As with almost all herbs used in the promotion of health, the beauty

of SJW is that this herb improves the human condition. It does not

represent in any way the drug-oriented suppression of disease which

pervades Allopathic thinking. Inhibitor-this or reuptake-that is

simply the application of medico marketing of a fine natural

substance. Think of SJW as feeding the body natural elements from

which the body chooses elements necessary for the maintenance and

improvement of neurological elements. No amount of SJW herb is too

much -- in the same way as no amount of apple is too much.



Your doctor is the last person from whom to seek SJW advice.



My SJW advice is:

	Buy the real thing or collect your own;

	Get information from wholistic practitioners;

	Use herbs wholistically, not allopathically;



	Don't buy "standardized" SJW; and

	In Canada don't buy SJW that comes with a DIN

	(they have no obligation to divulge actual ingredients).



Alternative herbal health is about using herbs to help the body heal

itself. It is not about constricting the body toward submissive

conformation.

___

jmt	



Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com> wrote:



>... if you are taking SJW and Prozac, you tell your doctor.



>[SJW] must be

>done under a doctor's supervision, preferably the one who prescribed the

>antidepressant.



>The doctor can thus become familiar with the clinical use of

>St. John's wort.



>if St. John's wort is combined with the wrong

>drug, there can be negative consequences.



>St. John's wort is not recommended as the

>sole treatment in major depression, and its use in bipolar disorder remains a

>question.



>it is essential to speak with

>your doctor if you have a preexisting medical condition or if you are already

>taking an antidepressant.

---

Never go along with the system. Always question.

    Tainted-blood activist ...    Janet Conners







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Subject: Re: SJW question

From: "Zack Kaplan" <zkaplan@nycap.rr.com>

Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 23:58:27 -0400

--------

does any one know anything about smoking sjw?



z

    Chip Engelmann wrote in message <35C68E8E.147EB107@vitamindiscount.com>...

    This is a good point.  Prozac is a derivative of St. John's Wort.  It is important that if you are taking SJW and Prozac, you tell your doctor.  Prozac dosages are balanced and taking SJW upsets that balance. 

    I got this from alt-health.com 



    Host Site: Health World Online  (Excerpted with permission form St. John's Wort: Nature's Blues Buster, Avery Publishing) 



    I have used St. John's wort with patients who were already on antidepressants, including Prozac, Zoloft, Effexor (venlafaxine hydrochloride), and the tricyclics (see 

    Prozac and Beyond-The Synthetic Antidepressants), as well as those taking the amino acids such as tyrosine. Of possible concern in these cases is "serotonin 

    syndrome," or an excessive serotonin buildup in the brain. There is no record of this occurring, despite thousands of people having taken the combination of St. John's 

    wort and SSRIs. When asked about this possibility, Dr. Jerry Cott, a psychopharmacologist at the National Institute of Mental Health, asserted that "there have been 

    no deaths or toxic reactions, no adverse interactions related to MAO inhibition, and no incidents of serotonin syndrome reported in the literature. There is no clear 

    evidence that serotonin is even [activated] by St. John's wort in . . . animal studies or in human trials." It is clear that more research is needed before we fully 

    understand how this herb works. 



    One of the most common questions I am asked concerns the best way to switch from an antidepressant to St. John's wort. There is no research data on this subject, 

    only the experiences of many patients and their physicians. We all look forward to having definitive reports in the future. For now, I can say that the process must be 

    done under a doctor's supervision, preferably the one who prescribed the antidepressant. If your doctor is reluctant to do this, I would encourage you to share this 

    book with him or her. The doctor can thus become familiar with the clinical use of St. John's wort. He or she can also look up the research evidence in Chapter 6, 

    including an explanation of why there is so little North American research on this subject. Appendix C will provide your doctor with the appropriate changeover 

    protocol. 



    It is important to point out that switching from a synthetic antidepressant to St. John's wort without appropriate supervision can pose serious problems. For example, if 

    me antidepressant is stopped abruptly, a rebound effect could result, leading to renewed anxiety and depression. Or, if St. John's wort is combined with the wrong 

    drug, there can be negative consequences. This is especially true of MAO-inhibiting antidepressants such as Nardil (phenelzine sulfate) or Parnate (tranylcypromine 

    sulfate). Also, as we have discussed, St. John's wort is not recommended as the sole treatment in major depression, and its use in bipolar disorder remains a question. 



    As we've seen in this chapter, St. John's wort is pretty simple to use-- just take it with meals. While the side effects are generally minimal, it is essential to speak with 

    your doctor if you have a preexisting medical condition or if you are already taking an antidepressant. Finding a doctor open to natural therapies may be an important 

    consideration. In the next chapter, I'll discuss the studies that support the use of St. John's wort. 



    Chip Engelmann 

    Vitamin Discount Connection 

      



    LEvans1044 wrote: 



        >On the subject of SJW, is it counter-productive to be taking it along with 

        >a pharmaceutical anti-depressant such as prozac or zoloft  ?  I believe I'm 

        >correct that SJW, as an MAOI, acts differently than the serotonin re-uptake 

        >inhibitor class drugs, so ??? I'd appreciate any comments. 

        > 

        > 

        Just have to put in my 2 cents. My lover is taking Paxel and SJW and has been 

        for the last year or so. He has lowered his Paxel by 1/2, which is good as his 

        insurance runs out in November. Thus far no bad effects, no problems in the sun 

        or any others. He uses SJW tincture as much as he wants, 20 drops from 3 - 10 

        times a day or more. We harvest and prepare our own tincture. 



        Belinda



      

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Subject: Re: which is the better herb for appetite loss

From: Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 01:06:25 -0400

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Warning: Continued use of mahuang stresses the adrenal gland and

increases blood pressure. When you stop using it you eat as you normally

do.  If weight loss is what you are after, remember:  To lose weight you

must burn more calories than you consume.  Weight loss almost always

means you must change your lifestyle.  Eat healthier and exercise.



Additional note:  Using Mahuang as a thermogenic is more effective when

it is activated with aspirin (willow bark doesn't seem to work as

well).  We used to carry such a product but discontinued it when we got

multiple reports of stomach upset.



Chip Engelmann

Vitamin Discount Connection



Fafnir16 wrote:



> MaHuang  DECREASES the appetite not increases it.





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Subject: Re: which is the better herb for appetite loss

From: fafnir16@aol.com (Fafnir16)

Date: 6 Aug 1998 16:33:16 GMT

--------

Chip wrote,

 <<If weight loss is what you are after, ...>

 I believe in the original post the person was asking how to increase their

appetite. 





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Subject: ginseng for sexual enhancement??

From: Mark <mark777@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:48:38 -0500

--------

I am a 29 yr old male. Could anyone tell me if Ginseng would help me in

increasing my sexual activity? Or is there any other herb/medicine over

the counter that I can take? Is there an alternative to 'Viagara'?

thanks

-Mark





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Subject: Re: ginseng for sexual enhancement??

From: Matt Staples <mstaples@poboxes.com>

Date: Mon, 03 Aug 1998 23:23:01 -0700

--------

Mark wrote:

> 

> I am a 29 yr old male. Could anyone tell me if Ginseng would help me in

> increasing my sexual activity? Or is there any other herb/medicine over

> the counter that I can take? Is there an alternative to 'Viagara'?

> thanks

> -Mark



I suggest bathing.

-- 

Matt Staples

mstaples@poboxes.com

Matt's Bodybuilding and Fitness Resources:

http://www.nwinfo.net/~mstaples

ICQ: 7635693

AOL IM:  mstaples1

"The kind of stuff I say online merits an asskicking."

	- Sarah, SarahCuuty@aol.com





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Subject: Re: ginseng for sexual enhancement??

From: "Hiawatha Battle" <battleh@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:47:33 -0400

--------

Have you investigated Yohimbe?  I've been taking it for about two years off

and on and I think that it has had a positive impact on my stamina.  I take

three tablets per day totaling 2000mg.  The brand is Irwin Naturals and I

get them at General Nutrition Center(GNC).



>Matt Staples wrote in message <35C6A8C5.8318D94B@poboxes.com>...

>Mark wrote:

>>

>> I am a 29 yr old male. Could anyone tell me if Ginseng would help me in

>> increasing my sexual activity? Or is there any other herb/medicine over

>> the counter that I can take? Is there an alternative to 'Viagara'?

>> thanks

>> -Mark

>

>I suggest bathing.

>--

>Matt Staples

>mstaples@poboxes.com

>Matt's Bodybuilding and Fitness Resources:

>http://www.nwinfo.net/~mstaples

>ICQ: 7635693

>AOL IM:  mstaples1

>"The kind of stuff I say online merits an asskicking."

> - Sarah, SarahCuuty@aol.com









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Subject: Re: ginseng for sexual enhancement??

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 12:09:32 GMT

--------

Mark <mark777@hotmail.com> wrote:



>I am a 29 yr old male. Could anyone tell me if Ginseng would help me in

>increasing my sexual activity? Or is there any other herb/medicine over

>the counter that I can take? Is there an alternative to 'Viagara'?



Mark - 

  Have you seen a physician: impotence and semi-impotence can be

a symptom of diabetes, high blood pressure and several other

serious conditions.  Make sure that's not the problem before you

start self-medicating.



  Increasing ... from what to what?









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Subject: Re: ginseng for sexual enhancement??

From: "Frank Martin" <martins@sisna.com>

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 17:55:34 -0600

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The Ancient Chinese thought of Ginseng as a sexual prodness item.. Many in

the orient still think that today..  Here in the west  its used to help with

energy augmentation.



Frank



David E. McCAll wrote in message <35c74620.0@news.nextdim.com>...

>At last, a well thought out response.

>Snide remarks do no one any good!

>

>Dave

>

>Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <35c7f96e.857903@news.primenet.com>...

>>Mark <mark777@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>I am a 29 yr old male. Could anyone tell me if Ginseng would help me in

>>>increasing my sexual activity? Or is there any other herb/medicine over

>>>the counter that I can take? Is there an alternative to 'Viagara'?

>>

>>Mark -

>>  Have you seen a physician: impotence and semi-impotence can be

>>a symptom of diabetes, high blood pressure and several other

>>serious conditions.  Make sure that's not the problem before you

>>start self-medicating.

>>

>>  Increasing ... from what to what?

>>

>>

>

>









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Subject: Re: ginseng for sexual enhancement??

From: nydrfailm@hotmail.com

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:17:21 GMT

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I think that Herb Pharm makes the most effective Yohimbe.



It works for me.  Never have tried the tablet form though.



Bob





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Subject: Re: ginseng for sexual enhancement??

From: jensummers@aol.com (JenSummers)

Date: 05 Aug 1998 03:06:22 GMT

--------

>>Mark <mark777@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>

>>>I am a 29 yr old male. Could anyone tell me if Ginseng would help me in

>>>increasing my sexual activity? Or is there any other herb/medicine over

>>>the counter that I can take? Is there an alternative to 'Viagara'?



Your health problem could be due to a number of things that more than likely

won't be cured with an herb.  Unless, you're gay, then a really cute Herb could

do it for you, just kidding.  20/20 (tv program) did a show about how men were

becoming impotent from riding bicycles regularly.  The weight of their body was

centered on a large artery in the hip; repeated stress on the vein colapsed the

vein's wall and restricted blood to the penis.  Consequently, they could

achieve erection.   One guy was impotent since he was 21 and he was 31 when a

specialist corrected the problem; this guy was an avid bike rider. 



Of course this may not be your problem but you can't just treat the sympton

with an herb.  Please see a doctor, Mark.  Good luck.



Jennifer Summers







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Subject: Re: ginseng for sexual enhancement??

From: bgies@ginseng.ca

Date: 6 Aug 1998 16:47:45 GMT

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On 05 Aug 1998 03:06:22 GMT, jensummers@aol.com (JenSummers) wrote:

> >>Mark <mark777@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>>I am a 29 yr old male. Could anyone tell me if Ginseng would help me in

> >>>increasing my sexual activity? Or is there any other herb/medicine over

> >>>the counter that I can take? Is there an alternative to 'Viagara'?

> 



Ginseng does help to increase the blood supply to the pelvic 

region, so it can help both men and women with sexual problems, 

if the problem relates to the blood supply anyway. Ginseng also 

increases your energy level and sometimes that is all that is 

needed.





Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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Subject: Re: ginseng for sexual enhancement??

From: ellaxiak@delphi.nospam.com (Lynne Axiak)

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 15:19:51 GMT

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On Tue, 04 Aug 1998 00:48:38 -0500, Mark <mark777@hotmail.com> wrote:



>I am a 29 yr old male. Could anyone tell me if Ginseng would help me in

>increasing my sexual activity? Or is there any other herb/medicine over

>the counter that I can take? Is there an alternative to 'Viagara'?

>thanks



Mark,  I heard Yohimbe is used for this reason.

Lynne







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Subject: Lupus and tea

From: "Ambrosia" <ambrosa1@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 3 Aug 1998 23:37:08 -0700

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I have lupus and I drink hot tea. I was wondering what teas work the best

for muscles and bones or and kind of energy.



--

Ambrosia











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Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba

From: "james l. wilks" <jlw1@camalott.com>

Date: 4 Aug 1998 13:33:58 GMT

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I took it for the first time one day last week. I felt wonderful during the

day but woke up the next morning with a red hive like rash on my inner

thighs, under arms and any where my body touched itself during the night. 

The rash faded some during the day but was back the next morning (slightly

less) even though I had not taken another pill.  It was gone the next day. 

I can't attribute the rash to any other cause.  I loved the way it made me

feel, bright and energetic, after only one pill, but not enough to endure

the rash.



I notice that the formula also contains Alfalfa.  Could this be the cause

of my rash?

Jena





 

> 





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Subject: yogi tea

From: sedated@iname.com

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 20:31:13 GMT

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Can anyone recommend a good brand of yogi tea (besides The Yogi Tea Co.)?

Thanks!



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To: chip@vitamindiscount.com

Subject: Re: yogi tea

From: sedated@iname.com

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 12:18:02 GMT

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In article <35C7B8EB.D0CD9A1@vitamindiscount.com>, Chip Engelmann

<chip@vitamindiscount.com> wrote:

> What's in it?

>Chip



A bunch of stuff...cloves, cinnamon, black pepper, cardamom, ginger, and

sometimes other stuff.  I've found some blends online, but I want to buy from

someone who I know makes good stuff.

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Subject: Re: yogi tea

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:40:10 -0500

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sedated@iname.com wrote:

> 

> A bunch of stuff...cloves, cinnamon, black pepper, cardamom, ginger, 

> and sometimes other stuff.  I've found some blends online, but I 

> want to buy from someone who I know makes good stuff.



I like Republic of Tea brand's Republic Chai, myself.  Cinnamon, 

Assam tea, orange peel, ginger, coriander, Darjeeling tea, star 

anise, black pepper, nutmeg, cardamon, cloves.  It's packaged

in a nice metal cylinder which is reusable/recyclable.



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: ephedra

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 4 Aug 98 20:35:38 GMT

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blaise95@my-dejanews.com <blaise95@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

>Looking for reliabelinfo/sources of ephedra extract for thermogenic diet and

>recent government regulations. It seems to be getting more difficult to obtain

>the herbal extract for those who wish to use it for "legitimate" purposes.

>thanks



Some of the states which have outlawed ephedrine in diet aids and

supplements still allow it in OTC asthma pills like Primatene

tablets.



-- 

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Subject: Re: Please help me

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 4 Aug 98 21:02:43 GMT

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williams <davew@wizzards.net> wrote:

>I am extremely over weight and need help. Are there any herbs that would help curb 

>my appetite of give me more energy.



I am responding to this quite late.  I hope the person is still

reading replies.



The folks in alt.support.diet.rx are very knowledgable about

supplements that work and supplements that don't.



A lot of recent herbal thermogenic supplement formulas are a form of the

ECA stack (ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin).



If you do NOT have diabetes, heart disease, hyperthyroid, high blood

pressure, enlarged prostate, and are not taking any MAO inhibitors: 



you might want to look into the ECA stack (ephedrine, caffeine,

aspirin). It's assembled by you from over the counter ingredients, and

supposedly works as well as phen/fen.  I never took phen/fen, so I can't

confirm that with my own experience.



You can read articles about the ECA stack at the following sites:

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4039/eca.htm

http://physicalenhancement.com/eca_stack.htm

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/6026/cae.html

http://www.mediconsult.com/noframes/vitamins/shareware/ephedra/



If you decide to try it, start with no more than a half dose.  It may

take a week or two to work up to a full dose, as the jittery effects

wear off.



Several of the Twinlab Brand formulas (such as Ripped Fuel, Diet Fuel,

Herba Fuel, and Metabolift...) contain the ephedrine and caffeine in the

forms of Ma Haung and Guarana or Ma Huang and Green Tea extract (plus

some other ingredients that may or may not be helpful, but are at least

harmless).  The Twinlab products are more expensive than other sources,

but conveniently balanced for the ephedrine and caffeine.  I believe the

Metabolift also contains the aspirin, in the form of a willow extract.

The Twinlab products will probably run $20 to $30 a month (at 2 doses a

day.  More if you can manage 3 x day without it keeping you up at

night.)



A lot of people use Primatene tablets for the ephedrine (sold over the

counter for asthma), or tablets called Mini-thins (or Mini-whites or

Mini-tabs) that are often sold at truck stops (one tablet contains the

same ingredients as 2 Primatene).  A bottle of 60 Mini-thins cost me

$6.99 recently at a truck stop, and a large package of generic

NoDoz/Vivarin caffeine tabs cost me about $2.99 at WalMart.  That and a

bottle of baby aspirin, and I'm all set.



A pill cutter might be a good investment for a few bucks when

you're first starting, to easily cut tablets in half.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



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Subject: Re: Please help me

From: Laserone <laserone@sprint-mail.com>

Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 10:54:36 -0400

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Is this the "herbal phen/fen"?  I thought ephedrine was dangerous.  I'd

like to try a herbal version of phen/fen, as I was on phen before and

did very well, but I am scared of ephedrine.  Isn't that the stuff

that's been giving people heart attacks because it is meant for asthma

sufferers?



Just tryin' to get informed.  I will look at the urls you suggested as

well.



Thanks in advance...



Lauren

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jamie wrote:

> 

> williams <davew@wizzards.net> wrote:

> >I am extremely over weight and need help. Are there any herbs that would help curb

> >my appetite of give me more energy.

> 

> I am responding to this quite late.  I hope the person is still

> reading replies.

> 

> The folks in alt.support.diet.rx are very knowledgable about

> supplements that work and supplements that don't.

> 

> A lot of recent herbal thermogenic supplement formulas are a form of the

> ECA stack (ephedrine/caffeine/aspirin).

> 

> If you do NOT have diabetes, heart disease, hyperthyroid, high blood

> pressure, enlarged prostate, and are not taking any MAO inhibitors:

> 

> you might want to look into the ECA stack (ephedrine, caffeine,

> aspirin). It's assembled by you from over the counter ingredients, and

> supposedly works as well as phen/fen.  I never took phen/fen, so I can't

> confirm that with my own experience.

> 

> You can read articles about the ECA stack at the following sites:

> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/4039/eca.htm

> http://physicalenhancement.com/eca_stack.htm

> http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/6026/cae.html

> http://www.mediconsult.com/noframes/vitamins/shareware/ephedra/



[[clip]]





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Subject: Re: Please help me

From: "Moreno Polloni" <unspammable@istar.ca>

Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 16:52:15 GMT

--------



Laserone wrote in message <35C9C3AC.614D@sprint-mail.com>...

>Is this the "herbal phen/fen"?  I thought ephedrine was dangerous.  I'd

>like to try a herbal version of phen/fen, as I was on phen before and

>did very well, but I am scared of ephedrine.  Isn't that the stuff

>that's been giving people heart attacks because it is meant for asthma

>sufferers?

>

>Just tryin' to get informed.  I will look at the urls you suggested as

>well.

>





Ma Huang is the herb, which you can get in bulk to make teas from. It's the

whole herb, and it's action is milder. Ephedra is usually the concentrated

extract of the herb, and it is much more potent. It can speed up your

metabolism, and increase your pulse slightly. It can cause heart palpitations in

some people. Many people feel wired or strung out when on ephedrine, and have

difficulty sleeping. It's main use in over-the-counter medications is in the use

of nasal decongestants.













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Subject: Re: Please help me

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 6 Aug 98 21:15:30 GMT

--------

Laserone <laserone@sprint-mail.com> wrote:

>Is this the "herbal phen/fen"?  I thought ephedrine was dangerous.  I'd

>like to try a herbal version of phen/fen, as I was on phen before and

>did very well, but I am scared of ephedrine.  Isn't that the stuff

>that's been giving people heart attacks because it is meant for asthma

>sufferers?



As far as I've researched, all the people who died using ephedrine were

either very elderly, or teens/college kids taking massive overdoses.



Taken as directed, the risks are exactly the same as taking a Sine-Aid.

(while pseudoephedrine is not the same drug, it is a close relative, and

the side effects and contraindications are identical. Pseudoephedrine

has not been studied to be effective for weight loss, however)



I don't recommend taking the herb form (Ephedra/Ma Huang) unless

the label specifically states that it is standardized for a 

specific ephedrine content.  Otherwise you can't be sure how

much you're taking, or what is an appropriate dose.



"Herbal phen/fen" is usually Ma Huang with St. John's Wort.  As far as I

know, there is no evidence that St. John's Wort does anything at all for

dieting or appetite suppression.  It's just a trendy herb.  There are,

however, very many medical studies proving the effectiveness of

ephedrine combined with caffeine.



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Subject: Re: roaches???

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 4 Aug 98 21:31:57 GMT

--------

Yarrow <notaherb@thishome.net> wrote:

>

>

>KyndThreds <kyndthreds@aol.com> wrote in article 

>: are there any herbs that roaches hate??? that will keep them away?

>thanks!

>: sara  :)

>=================================O

>It's not an herb but they will be "done in" by Boric Acid or Diatomaceous

>Earth made for pools.



Also fix any leaky faucets and don't leave water or dishes with

water in the sink.  Cockroaches with water and no food can live

for several weeks.  Cockroaches with food and no water die off

much faster.  Caulk any cracks if they're coming from an

adjoining apartment.



-- 

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  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: roaches???

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 4 Aug 98 21:39:33 GMT

--------

KyndThreds <kyndthreds@aol.com> wrote:

>are there any herbs that roaches hate??? that will keep them away? thanks!

>sara  :)



I neglected to mention that if they keep coming back every time you get

rid of them (and it's not a slob in the next apartment) a change of

market may be in order.  They often hide in bags of potatoes or other

bagged vegetables, in cases or cartons of beer or softdrinks, in

cardboard boxes and in paper grocery bags.



We shop at several different supermarkets, and at one point I

noticed that every time we shopped at one of them, I saw a roach

within a few days.  Haven't seen any since we stopped shopping

there.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: roaches???

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 04 Aug 1998 19:04:18 -0500

--------

jamie wrote:

> 

> I neglected to mention that if they keep coming back every time you 

> get rid of them (and it's not a slob in the next apartment) a change 

> of market may be in order.  They often hide in bags of potatoes or 

> other bagged vegetables, in cases or cartons of beer or softdrinks, 

> in cardboard boxes and in paper grocery bags.

> 

> We shop at several different supermarkets, and at one point I

> noticed that every time we shopped at one of them, I saw a roach

> within a few days.  Haven't seen any since we stopped shopping

> there.



The commodity fumigation laws changed [last September], and we have

been seeing an increase in 'bring-home bugs' since then.  Especially

roaches and the various pantry beetles.  One solution is to decant

into sealed plastic containers whatever will tolerate such treatment.

[Obviously, not potatoes or onions....]



-Kyra





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Subject: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: lulu008@aol.com (Lulu008)

Date: 4 Aug 1998 21:52:11 GMT

--------

Anyone know the difference between Gotu Kola and Gingko Biloba?  My research on

either reads nearly about the same as far as the benefit they provide.  Is

there any distinct advantage from taking one rather than the other?  Thanx.



Lucy





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Subject: Re: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 5 Aug 1998 01:46:11 GMT

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Lulu008 (lulu008@aol.com) wrote:

:Anyone know the difference between Gotu Kola and Gingko Biloba?  My research on

:either reads nearly about the same as far as the benefit they provide.  Is

:there any distinct advantage from taking one rather than the other?  Thanx.

:

:Lucy



I've found a bit of a 'speedy' effect from Ginkgo, hardly noticeable when

taken in small doses, but quite apparent when taken in larger doses.  Gotu

Kola in any dose does not give a speedy effect, in fact if you take a large

dose it has a slightly sedative effect.



Personally, Gotu in my biosystem has more of a deep mental effect than Ginkgo

does. They're quite different from each other. Nex







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Subject: Re: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 00:43:43 GMT

--------

lulu008@aol.com (Lulu008) wrote:



>Anyone know the difference between Gotu Kola and Gingko Biloba?  My research on

>either reads nearly about the same as far as the benefit they provide.  Is

>there any distinct advantage from taking one rather than the other?  



As far as increasing oxygen to the organs and lowering

blood pressue, probably not much, but it also depends

on the preparation and individual biochemistry.



The main benefit of gotu over gingko is it is effective

in non extract form.  Solaray makes a 10% asciaticosides

gotu product that is merely just a strong variety, not an

extract, and it is inexpensive compared to gingko.  The

side benefit is there will not be any toxic solvents used

in extraction, as is possible with gingko.



turf







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Subject: Re: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: Thomas McClung <chip@mcclung.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:37:44 -0400

--------

They work in harmony together. both herbs are usually used in formulations. Gotu

Kola and Ginkgo Biloba are different in that one is a tree the Ginkgo and the other

is a creeping ground cover.



Lulu008 wrote:



> Anyone know the difference between Gotu Kola and Gingko Biloba?  My research on

> either reads nearly about the same as far as the benefit they provide.  Is

> there any distinct advantage from taking one rather than the other?  Thanx.

>

> Lucy

>







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Subject: Re: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: Terry Fine <fineterry@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 04:09:11 GMT

--------

Is there any particular brand or doseage that performs better

than others ?

and about how long does it take (on average) for the effects to

be noticed ?

-Thanks-



Thomas McClung wrote:

> 

> They work in harmony together. both herbs are usually used in formulations. Gotu

> Kola and Ginkgo Biloba are different in that one is a tree the Ginkgo and the other

> is a creeping ground cover.

> 

> Lulu008 wrote:

> 

> > Anyone know the difference between Gotu Kola and Gingko Biloba?  My research on

> > either reads nearly about the same as far as the benefit they provide.  Is

> > there any distinct advantage from taking one rather than the other?  Thanx.

> >

> > Lucy

> >





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Subject: Re: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:14:43 GMT

--------

Terry Fine <fineterry@hotmail.com> wrote:



>Is there any particular brand or doseage that performs better

>than others ?



Solaray makes a 10% potency gotu kola (they call it

centella asiatic) that is the best deal I have seen

for a guaranteed potency.  



turf











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Subject: Re: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 19 Aug 1998 11:51:10 GMT

--------



Parijata2 wrote in message

<1998081909473500.FAA10566@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Gouo Kola contains caffeine.





I have heard that it does not..... Is there anyone who really knows about

this herb and can say if it does or does not contain caffeine?



Evelyn









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Subject: Re: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 10:38:12 -0400

--------

No, it doesn't.  You are perhaps thinking of Kola nuts, the product of an

African tree.  Gotu Kola is a low growing herbaceous plant of the Parsley

family - no relation.



-Rich



Parijata2 wrote in message

<1998081909473500.FAA10566@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Gouo Kola contains caffeine.









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Subject: Re: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 12:10:55 GMT

--------

>

>No, it doesn't.  You are perhaps thinking of Kola nuts, the product of an

>African tree.  Gotu Kola is a low growing herbaceous plant of the Parsley

>family - no relation.

>

>-Rich

>

>



Well, that is a relief to find out. I always wondered about that and am glad to

learn this. Yes, that is what I had been told. Thank you.



<3

Pari









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Subject: Re: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: Mom Eve <knight@trilobyte.net>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:37:23 -0600

--------

Ginkgo increases the circulation to the brain.  Goto Kola  repairs damaged brain

tissues.  The two together make a great combination.  And No...Goto Kola does not

contain caffine.  Mom Eve



Parijata2 wrote:



> >

> >No, it doesn't.  You are perhaps thinking of Kola nuts, the product of an

> >African tree.  Gotu Kola is a low growing herbaceous plant of the Parsley

> >family - no relation.

> >

> >-Rich

> >

> >

>

> Well, that is a relief to find out. I always wondered about that and am glad to

> learn this. Yes, that is what I had been told. Thank you.

>

> <3

> Pari











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Subject: Re: Gotu vs.Ginko?

From: "TNT" <TNT@disknet.com>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:03:52 -0400

--------

I have a book that says: "Gotu Kola cream is not available commercially, but

you can use a compress of gotu kola infusion to help treat psoriasis."



Can you find the cream in department stores or do you have to get the plant

to make the cream yourself.  I would really like to get some of this cream

to give to my dad to use.



Thanks

TNT











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Subject: How to Dry Mint?

From: "J.L. Absher" <jlabsher@accessus.net>

Date: Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:43:05 -0500

--------

We have several varieties of mint in the backyard and I was wondering the

best way to dry it for use in mint teas this winter.  Sun dry or in the

oven, what are the best ways to do each and why is one way superior to the

other.  Thanx









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Subject: Re: How to Dry Mint?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 07:51:55 GMT

--------

On Tue, 4 Aug 1998 20:43:05 -0500, "J.L. Absher" <jlabsher@accessus.net> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>We have several varieties of mint in the backyard and I was wondering the

>best way to dry it for use in mint teas this winter.  Sun dry or in the

>oven, what are the best ways to do each and why is one way superior to the

>other.  Thanx



Never dry aromatic herbs in the sun! Whew. Don't dry other herbs in the sun,

either, as they'll lose color, taste, and constituents quite rapidly.



Now that's out of the way you have a number of options: 

- hang in bunches, bundles or bouquets in a cool shady place

- spread out on paper in a cool shady place

- use a dehydrator, either one you've bought or one you've built (plans for

dehydrators can be found in most any good book on uses of dehydrated foods)

- dry in the oven, at lowest temperature, with door open - note: you need to

switch back to front every now and then or the herbs that are nearest to the

heating element will get burnt (or get a taste of it anyway)

- mush the fresh herb or leaves and put these into your ice cube tray, then

freeze. Once frozen decant into plastic baggies, leave in freezer, use as needed

(1 cube gives a lot more than a cupful though)



The microwave is out of the question; call it a philosophical approach, but I

don't believe in boiling my herbs to dry them, and there is always the danger of

drying too much -> microwave on fire... (happened to a friend of mine).



Have fun

Henriette



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Subject: Re: How to Dry Mint?

From: Deb <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:01:49 GMT

--------





J.L. Absher wrote:



> We have several varieties of mint in the backyard and I was wondering the

> best way to dry it for use in mint teas this winter.  Sun dry or in the

> oven, what are the best ways to do each and why is one way superior to the

> other.  Thanx



 Some people will cut long pieces, bind the stalks together, and hang to

dry--sometimes enclosed in a paper bag.



I trim mine so often and lack a good place to hang very many herbs, so I use a

flat basket [for air circulation] in which I've spread a cloth and then spread

the mint pieces out and stir or turn them over in a day or two.  I put the

basket/trays in a cupboard unless I have too many at one time, in which case I

let them overtake the guestroom.  ;>



I always dry herbs away from the sun and would not consider the oven.  When

herbs are dried at too hot a temp the essential oils can be affected and you

lose much of the effectiveness of the herb.  Usually my house air is dry

enough to let the herbs air dry just fine.  In the rare case that it is too

humid, I have used a food dehydrator--mine has a temp control which I set

about 90* [lowest setting].



Deb



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Subject: Re: How to Dry Mint?

From: Deb <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 08:03:24 GMT

--------





J.L. Absher wrote:



> We have several varieties of mint in the backyard and I was wondering the

> best way to dry it for use in mint teas this winter.  Sun dry or in the

> oven, what are the best ways to do each and why is one way superior to the

> other.  Thanx



 PS.  Be sure you label every herb as you put it too dry.  I have played the

'wonder what?' game far too often.  ;>



Deb



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Subject: Re: How to Dry Mint?

From: erblremedy@aol.com (ErblRemedy)

Date: 5 Aug 1998 13:47:03 GMT

--------

>J.L. Absher wrote:

>

>> We have several varieties of mint in the backyard and I was wondering the

>> best way to dry it for use in mint teas this winter.  Sun dry or in the

>> oven, what are the best ways to do each and why is one way superior to the

>> other.  Thanx



Here in extremely humid, extremely hot Louisiana, I spread them out on a table

in front of the room airconditioner.  With my nice clean filter, low humidity

and quite cold air coming out of the unit,  they dry very rapidly and retain

color and oils.  Long ago, I found that cold drying herbs beats heat drying

anytime.  Once you get out of the mind set that it is heat that is needed and

not just dehydration, more choices become available to you.



Traiteusse

erblremedy@aol.com





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Subject: Re: How to Dry Mint?

From: "The Goddess Within" <thegoddesswithin@hotmail.com>

Date: 6 Aug 1998 09:56:05 GMT

--------



I don't actually dry the mint.  I simply wash it, clean the good leaves from

the stems, pat them dry, and then freeze quickly in a plastic freezer "tub".

It stays GREEN!  And, it's wonderful for making teas, ornamentals, and

chewing one still frozen is better than any of those candies that promise to

give your breath a freshening lift, anyday!









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Subject: Re: How to Dry Mint?

From: dgsaba@aol.com (DGSABA)

Date: 12 Aug 1998 14:49:23 GMT

--------

If your in a hurry put the mint leaves in a clean pillow case and tie off the

end then put in your clothes dryer and fluff cycle or low heat and this works

great !

Diana   *Happiness is merely the remission of pain...

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Subject: SJW and Pregnancy?

From: "Paul Wasson" <sysiphus@iconnect.net>

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 09:23:57 -0500

--------

I used to take SJW and EPO before I got pregnant to help keep PMS symptoms

and depression down.  Worked like a dream.  Now I'm 7 months pregnant and

the hormones are making me as moody as the PMS used to!  I don't want to

take the EPO until closer to time to deliver (don't want a ripe cervix

yet:)) but could I safely take the SJW?  My sanity and my family would sure

love it if I could.



TIA.



Theresea









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Subject: Re: SJW and Pregnancy?

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 6 Aug 1998 00:14:32 GMT

--------

>I used to take SJW and EPO before I got pregnant to help keep PMS symptoms

>and depression down.  Worked like a dream.  Now I'm 7 months pregnant and

>the hormones are making me as moody as the PMS used to!  I don't want to

>take the EPO until closer to time to deliver (don't want a ripe cervix

>yet:)) but could I safely take the SJW?  My sanity and my family would sure

>love it if I could.

>

>TIA.

>

>Theresea

>

>



Studies done in Sweden on pregnant women indicate no reason to abstain from SJW

while pregnant.



Belinda





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To: LEvans1044 <levans1044@aol.com>

Subject: Re: SJW and Pregnancy?

From: mp56347 <dwh@get2net.dk>

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 10:44:21 +0200

--------

There is no reason to not use the SJW when pregnant, if you have

hormonal mood swings. 



I might recommend looking at what produces the mood swings and work a

little with your surrounding family to change those situations as well,

though..........it is a vastly better way of dealing with things, and

then supplement with the SJW for extra-stressful times.



Good luck with the new baby.



Blessings,



Dana





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Subject: Poisonous Plants

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 12:29:19 -0400

--------

Here's a site with listings of toxic plants and plant materials I

"accidentally" ran into in a search for Tribulus.  Though some of you might

find it interesting.  Look at the "Readme.HTML" first.



http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~djw/



-Rich











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Subject: Opinions sought, please

From: reneeb@meginc.com

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 21:10:39 GMT

--------

If a person could get her twelve-year-old son to swallow only one herbal

capsule a day--and yes, it must be gelatin-coated--have any thoughts on what

would be the best all-around one???



He already takes Lysine once a day, due to a tendency toward viral mouth

sores; it seems to help, but I am looking for advice here!



Thanks in advance,



--

Renee Elizabeth Bush

Winchester, Kentucky

http://www.meginc.com/personal/users/reneeb/index.html

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To: reneeb@meginc.com

Subject: Re: Opinions sought, please

From: sedated@iname.com

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 23:27:37 GMT

--------

Renee:



In article <6qahof$7il$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, reneeb@meginc.com wrote:

> If a person could get her twelve-year-old son to swallow only one herbal

> capsule a day--and yes, it must be gelatin-coated--have any thoughts on what

> would be the best all-around one???

>

> He already takes Lysine once a day, due to a tendency toward viral mouth

> sores; it seems to help, but I am looking for advice here!



Personally, I would suggest grape seed extract.  I'm not sure about the dosage

for a 12 year old...I guess it depends on his size (i.e., if he's more adult-

size or kid-size).  Grape seed extract is a wonder!



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Subject: Re: Opinions sought, please

From: Thomas McClung <chip@mcclung.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:46:45 -0400

--------

To get children to take herbals it is easier to add their dose to homemade

popsicles or making a candy ball of cashew butter or peanut butter the powder

can be added to the butter and rolled into a ball then eaten. As for making up a

days worth the balls can be refrigerated and one given to the child when he

needs his pill. It really hides the powder flavor. Does your son eat or drink

things with nutra-sweet? It has been reported that Nutra-sweet can give people

mouth sores. Something to ask your dotor about if he does chew gum with nutra

sweet.



reneeb@meginc.com wrote:



> If a person could get her twelve-year-old son to swallow only one herbal

> capsule a day--and yes, it must be gelatin-coated--have any thoughts on what

> would be the best all-around one???

>

> He already takes Lysine once a day, due to a tendency toward viral mouth

> sores; it seems to help, but I am looking for advice here!

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> --

> Renee Elizabeth Bush

> Winchester, Kentucky

> http://www.meginc.com/personal/users/reneeb/index.html

> When the chips are down, the buffalo is empty.

>

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Subject: Sage instead of Woormwood for Absinthe?

From: "Steel" <steel@psynet.net>

Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 07:02:03 +0800

--------

Hi Folks,

              Sage also contains the same terpene (thujone) so I was

wondering if any one had knowledge to inform me of what amounts of sage I

would need,or if the experiment would be usless because of to low amounts of

thujone in sage.Also any extra tips other than whats on these web pages in

the link below.Check it out even if it's just for the art work,and yes I

know that massive doses & day to day use will mess me up but I intend to

make the mood lifting brew & use in moderation.Hmmm see What response (if

any) I get.

http://www.sepulchritude.com/chapelperilous/absinthe/absinthe.html











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Subject: Re: Sage instead of Woormwood for Absinthe?

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:58:43 -0500

--------

Steel wrote:

> 

> Hi Folks,

> Sage also contains the same terpene (thujone) so I was wondering 

> if any one had knowledge to inform me of what amounts of sage I

> would need,or if the experiment would be usless because of to low 

> amounts of thujone in sage.Also any extra tips other than whats 

> on these web pages in the link below.Check it out even if it's 

> just for the art work,and yes I know that massive doses & day to 

> day use will mess me up but I intend to make the mood lifting brew 

> & use in moderation.Hmmm see What response (if any) I get.

> http://www.sepulchritude.com/chapelperilous/absinthe/absinthe.html



[At least one other regular is going to jump in and read you the

riot act concerning the DANGERS of absinthe, I don't doubt.]



I apologize that I am too lazy to go search the boxed books to give 

you more precise information, but I seem to remember that one of the 

'cedars' has the name Thuja occidentalis.  It's the big teardrop 

shaped one that has flat fans of needles, I think?  Common name is 

arborvitae and it is commonly used for landscaping.  It probably has

a higher concentration of thujone than sage....  [The cedar I have

described is also well known for harboring one of the aggressive 

species of hornets.]  Nope, no data on concentration/dose, sorry.



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Sage instead of Woormwood for Absinthe?

From: Cynthia J Jackson <cjj@acsu.buffalo.edu>

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:13:57 -0400

--------





Two other herbs containing thujone are tansy and yarrow.  The amounts of

thujone in tansy can vary widely, however.  Like wormwood, it is generally

considered unsafe in large doses, so it may be potent enough to use as a

substitute for wormwood.  I've never heard of anyone being poisoned by

yarrow though, so it may not contain enough thujone to replicate the

psychoactive properties of wormwood.  In terms of taste, however, yarrow

is very similar to wormwood.  If availability is the issue, yarrow is

fairly easy to find.  I've even seen yarrow sold as a tea in natural foods

stores.  Tansy may be harder to obtain.



Since you seem to be aware of all the nasty things thujone can do to you,

I won't repeat the warnings here.  Good luck with your experiment.  I'd

be interested to know how it goes.





Cindy







On Wed, 5 Aug 1998, Lady Necessity wrote:



> Steel wrote:

> > 

> > Hi Folks,

> > Sage also contains the same terpene (thujone) so I was wondering 

> > if any one had knowledge to inform me of what amounts of sage I

> > would need,or if the experiment would be usless because of to low 

> > amounts of thujone in sage.Also any extra tips other than whats 

> > on these web pages in the link below.Check it out even if it's 

> > just for the art work,and yes I know that massive doses & day to 

> > day use will mess me up but I intend to make the mood lifting brew 

> > & use in moderation.Hmmm see What response (if any) I get.

> > http://www.sepulchritude.com/chapelperilous/absinthe/absinthe.html

> 

> [At least one other regular is going to jump in and read you the

> riot act concerning the DANGERS of absinthe, I don't doubt.]

> 

> I apologize that I am too lazy to go search the boxed books to give 

> you more precise information, but I seem to remember that one of the 

> 'cedars' has the name Thuja occidentalis.  It's the big teardrop 

> shaped one that has flat fans of needles, I think?  Common name is 

> arborvitae and it is commonly used for landscaping.  It probably has

> a higher concentration of thujone than sage....  [The cedar I have

> described is also well known for harboring one of the aggressive 

> species of hornets.]  Nope, no data on concentration/dose, sorry.

> 

> -Kyra

> 

> 







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Subject: Garlic And Myths?

From: "Garlic Goddess" <paula23NOSPAM@sprynet.com>

Date: 5 Aug 1998 23:26:25 GMT

--------

Hello!  I am doing research on garlic and am specifically seeking

information on garlic in mythology.  I am not too interested in the usual

vampire repellent (unless it's something new, different or historic).  I am

looking for anything else related to garlic in the myths of ancient

cultures.  



If e-mailing, watch out for the spam trap.



Thanks in advance!



Garlic Goddess







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Subject: Re: Garlic And Myths?

From: fluteplayer@my-dejanews.com

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 02:56:16 GMT

--------

In article <01bdc0af$54228480$98ccafce@sprynet.com>,

  "Garlic Goddess" <paula23NOSPAM@sprynet.com> wrote:

> Hello!  I am doing research on garlic and am specifically seeking

> information on garlic in mythology.  I am not too interested in the usual

> vampire repellent (unless it's something new, different or historic).  I am

> looking for anything else related to garlic in the myths of ancient

> cultures.

>

> If e-mailing, watch out for the spam trap.

>

> Thanks in advance!

>

> Garlic Goddess

>

>





Merry Meet!



I did some research on the killing of a vampire and found lots of information

about garlic but I haven't bothered to look for it in other myths.  I

discovered that ANYTHING with a potent aroma is said to keep away vampires,

not necessarily garlic.  Have you tried Scott Cunningham's Encylopedia of

Magical Herbs?	It might help.



Luck!



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Subject: Advice on preparations for household first aid

From: "Beth Harper" <bethanny@nashville.com>

Date: Wed, 5 Aug 1998 18:57:08 -0500

--------

When my herbal mentor taught me to make tinctures, she recommended that

preparations intended to be for external us only be tinctured in isopropyl

alcohol as an added safety measure - NO ONE mistakes that stuff for

something edible!  This has worked very well for me, but I've run into a

problem.



I have three very active children in my house.  Needless to say, we get our

share of cuts, bruises and other small injuries.  I have a variety of herbal

preparations and OTC meds to handle these minor emergencies, including a

couple of isopropyl tinctures - comfrey, witch hazel, yarrow and cayenne

(the last two being styptics). My kids DO NOT appreciate these!  I wonder if

anyone can suggest an alternative substance to use as a base - something

that does not sting as badly as isopropyl?



Beth









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Subject: Re: Advice on preparations for household first aid

From: "Bill & Kay St. John" <bstjohn@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:00:10 -0500

--------

My herbalist friend uses the cheapest vodka she can buy for her tinctures.

You need the alcohol for the things in the herbs that are alcohol-soluble.

Perhaps after you use the alcohol to extract those particular ingredients,

you can "cook away" the alcohol, leaving the oils (or whatever they are)

behind in an oil base?



Kay

Dallas



Beth Harper wrote in message <6qarmm$gdv$1@supernews.com>...

>When my herbal mentor taught me to make tinctures, she recommended that

>preparations intended to be for external us only be tinctured in isopropyl

>alcohol as an added safety measure - NO ONE mistakes that stuff for

>something edible





My kids DO NOT appreciate these!  I wonder if

>anyone can suggest an alternative substance to use as a base - something

>that does not sting as badly as isopropyl?













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To: Beth Harper <bethanny@nashville.com>

Subject: Re: Advice on preparations for household first aid

From: mp56347 <dwh@get2net.dk>

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 10:49:51 +0200

--------

I keep yarrow and plantain leaves in the freezer. When cuts & grazes do

happen, the frozen leaves get masticated in the blender and applied. No

stings and no tears (except from the accident that caused the graze in

the first place).



Just keep the leaf mass in place with a light gauze dressing until it

dries out..voila!



blessings,



Dana





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Subject: Re: Melatonin- What's the best brand?

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 6 Aug 1998 00:12:44 GMT

--------

>Melatonin raw material is produced by only a handfull of manufacturers.&nbsp;

>It is then sold to the individual companies who cut it and combine it with

>binders, etc. Here is where the quality issues arrise.&nbsp; As long as

>you stick to a major name brand, you will probably be doing okay.&nbsp;

>The number of mg per cap/tab might not be a factor either.&nbsp; Some

>research

>has shown that .5 to 1 mg is all that is needed. Doses higher than that

>don't seem to harm you, but don't increase the effectiveness.&nbsp; Of

>course, everyone is different.&nbsp; The last thing to consider is the

>delivery system.&nbsp; I prefer the sublingual over tablets because the

>sublingual takes effect much sooner.

>

>

>Chip



Melatonin can also be found in plants. One might do better to use them.



Belinda











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Subject: Re: Melatonin- What's the best brand?

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:10:20 -0700

--------

Chip Engelmann wrote:

> 

> Melatonin raw material is produced by only a handfull of

> manufacturers.  It is then sold to the individual companies who cut it

> and combine it with binders, etc. Here is where the quality issues

> arrise.  As long as you stick to a major name brand, you will probably

> be doing okay.  The number of mg per cap/tab might not be a factor

> either.  Some research has shown that .5 to 1 mg is all that is

> needed. Doses higher than that don't seem to harm you, but don't

> increase the effectiveness.



This depends on your definition of "effectiveness", ie. your reasons for

taking the melatonin. Some people even need doses higher than 1 mg for

the simple purpose of sleep induction. If one of your purposes is for

brain antioxidant, mental health preservation and antiaging aid, then

quite a bit more is indicated. If you are using melatonin for birth

control then still more is needed. Finally, if you are using it to

combat cancer, then the dosage may be as high as 100's of mg per day.



> Of course, everyone is different.  The

> last thing to consider is the delivery system.  I prefer the

> sublingual over tablets because the sublingual takes effect much

> sooner.



Again this recommendation only applies to the use of melatonin for sleep

induction. However, even then, many people benefit from a time release

which must be swallowed, possibly in addition to an instantaneous

release.



The Life Extension Foundation, one of the very first organizations to

make melatonin available to the public in the US, sells many different

release patterns and dosages. The one which I prefer and use personally,

contains several active ingredients including 2.5 mg of instantaneous

release melatonin and 2.5 mg of timed release.



--Tom 

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Subject: Re: Melatonin- What's the best brand?

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 18:48:31 -0700

--------

LEvans1044 wrote:

 

> Melatonin can also be found in plants. One might do better to use them.



Thanks for this information, I was not aware of that until I checked.

Here is an abstract about it.



J Pineal Res 1995 Jan;18(1):28-31 

Melatonin in edible plants identified by radioimmunoassay and by high

performance liquid chromatography-mass spectrometry.

Dubbels R, Reiter RJ, Klenke E, Goebel A, Schnakenberg E, Ehlers C,

Schiwara HW, Schloot W

Center of Human Genetics and Genetic Counselling, University of Bremen,

Germany. 



Melatonin, the chief hormone of the pineal gland in vertebrates, is

widely distributed in the animal kingdom. Among many functions,

melatonin synchronizes circadian and circannual rhythms, stimulates

immune function, may increase life span, inhibits growth of cancer cells

in vitro and cancer progression and promotion in vivo, and was recently

shown to be a potent hydroxyl radical scavenger and antioxidant.

Hydroxyl radicals are highly toxic by-products of oxygen metabolism that

damage cellular DNA and other macromolecules. Herein we report that

melatonin, in varying concentrations, is also found in a variety of

plants. Melatonin concentrations, measured in nine different plants by

radioimmunoassay, ranged from 0 to 862 pg melatonin/mg protein. The

presence of melatonin was verified by gas chromatography/mass

spectrometry. Our findings suggest that the consumption of plant

materials that contain high levels of melatonin could alter blood

melatonin levels of the indole as well as provide protection of

macromolecules against oxidative damage. 



However, even at the highest concentration found, 862 picograms per mg

of protein, and assuming that the plant contains 2% protein (generous

for the plants involved, I believe), one would have to consume about 30

kilograms of whole plant in order to get the equivalent of a 500 mcg

pill. Hardly practical, I think :-)



--Tom 

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Subject: calcium and iron in herbs?

From: rafael <rafael@nyct.net>

Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 02:30:51 GMT

--------

I know that in general one is supposed to try to take iron and calcium

supplements (or actual dairy products) seperately as the calcium can

inhibit iron absorption.  What about if one is using herbs as

supplements?  



I've been taking yellow dock tincture for iron and just ordered a

calcium tincture that contains chamomile, nettles, horsetail, oatseed,

cornsilk, and skullcap.  My guess is that they don't inhibit each

other's absorption, as I've seen nettles recommended for both its

calcium and iron content.  But does anyone have a more definitive

answer?



Thank you,

Yael





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Subject: Re: calcium and iron in herbs?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:25:08 -0400

--------

The problem with mineral analysis of herbs is that they are done using

equipment that measures elemental analysis of an extract of the herbs, NOT

the same as what you get from normal digestion.  When I was working on my

post-grad degree in Horticulture, I spent a lot of time doing elemental

analysis of plants, which is typical of the methods used.  A plant sample

(dry material) is ground into a powder, then allowed to react with a strong

acid and a catalyst under extreme heat.  This gives a liquid in which all

carbonaceous and most nitrogenous material has been converted to carbon

dioxide and water, which is then diluted with deionized water to a specific

volume (based on the original weight of the plant material) and fed into a

machine that vaporized the solution in a plasma flame.  The resulting

spectra are read and analyzed and the elemental content determined.  This

and similar procedures are standard practice when determining mineral

content.



Unfortunately (or not) your stomach does not grind plant material to a

powder or digest it for hours under extreme heat and acidity in the presence

of a strong mineral catalyst, so what you get out of any plant

(mineral-wise) is determined in part by the conditions in your

stomach/digestive system at the time, and also by the way the elements

interact in that environment.



Dairy foods tend to form organic complexes and affect the pH of the stomach

in ways that inhibit the uptake of certain other elements which may be

present at the same time - like iron.  Some plants which show a high content

of certain minerals *by analysis* contain organic compounds which under

biologic conditions inhibit their uptake by rendering them insoluble.

Spinach, for example, has a reasonably high calcium content, but also

contains oxalic acid which combines with the calcium to render it insoluble

(and hence unavailable).  The only way to positively determine whether an

herb is capable of supplying a certain element is to "tag" that element in

the herb (usually with a radioactive isotope of the element) and feed it to

a test animal, then test the animal for the presence of the tagged element

in it's tissues.  I seriously doubt anyone has done that with nettles.  And

I'm *not* volunteering, so....



-Rich



rafael wrote in message <35C9155B.1126@nyct.net>...

>I know that in general one is supposed to try to take iron and calcium

>supplements (or actual dairy products) seperately as the calcium can

>inhibit iron absorption.  What about if one is using herbs as

>supplements?

>

>I've been taking yellow dock tincture for iron and just ordered a

>calcium tincture that contains chamomile, nettles, horsetail, oatseed,

>cornsilk, and skullcap.  My guess is that they don't inhibit each

>other's absorption, as I've seen nettles recommended for both its

>calcium and iron content.  But does anyone have a more definitive

>answer?

>

>Thank you,

>Yael









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Subject: Best Brand?

From: laserone69@yahoo.com

Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 02:31:41 GMT

--------

I want to buy some Ginseng, some Ginkgo Biloba, and some St. John's Wort and

was wondering what the general opinion is on what brand is the best (most

effective, cost).  Kira was recommended to me re: St. John's Wort, but I

wondered about the other herbs and what other people had to say.



Thanks.



Laserone

Florida



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Subject: Re: Best Brand?

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 6 Aug 1998 11:23:18 GMT

--------

>I want to buy some Ginseng, some Ginkgo Biloba, and some St. John's Wort and

>was wondering what the general opinion is on what brand is the best (most

>effective, cost).  Kira was recommended to me re: St. John's Wort, but I

>wondered about the other herbs and what other people had to say.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Laserone

>Florida

>

>



Personally I think the best brand would be out in the woods. Could we call it

Nature's Best?



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Best Brand?

From: bgies@ginseng.ca

Date: 7 Aug 1998 15:50:48 GMT

--------

On Thu, 06 Aug 1998 19:23:31 -0400, Chip Engelmann <chip@vitamindiscount.com> wrote:

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> Any of the mahor brands will be fine:&nbsp; Nature's Way, Nature's Herbs,

> Natrol, Enzymatic Therapy--for Tinctures: Herb Pharm or Nature's Answer

> <P>There are some really high quality Ginseng lines (but expensive): Il

> Hwa, Superior, etc.

> <P>Personally I think the best brand would be out in the woods. Could we

> call it



I know you're not advocating everyone go hunt wild ginseng, but 

I wanted to point out that Ginseng is an endangered species, and 

definitely should not wildcrafted. There is an ample supply of 

commercially grown ginseng so please leave the wild plants alone.



I would recommend my own brand of ginseng, but that would 

probably be considered spam by a lot of people on the list so 

I won't recommend anything.





Sincerely,



Brad Gies





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Subject: food poisoning

From: Janet <mtmama@pcweb.net>

Date: Wed, 05 Aug 1998 23:06:16 -0700

--------

I have a friend who ate some bad fish about 10 days ago and she still

feels sick. Not hungry and very tired. What herbs would help?



Thanks,

Jan







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Subject: ADD and Homeopathy

From: "The Goddess Within" <thegoddesswithin@hotmail.com>

Date: 6 Aug 1998 09:18:09 GMT

--------

I am reading a book on Homeopathic answers to Ritalin, and they suggested

White Hellebore...any comments/considerations?









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Subject: Re: ADD and Homeopathy

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 15:22:51 GMT

--------

<<I am reading a book on Homeopathic answers to Ritalin, and they suggested

White Hellebore...any comments/considerations?>>



Use the homeopathic preparation and not an herbal extract -- they're not

interchangable!



Is this Judyth Reichenberg-Ullman's book, Ritalin Free Kids? Having met both

the authors, I can say that their advice is well-tempered by clinical

experience. They've been treating ADD children for more than a decade (their

clinic is not too far from Seattle, and we see a lot of their patients in our

store).

Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Purchasing Kava Kava products in the UK

From: "Andrew Harvey" <andrew.harvey@tnagb.com>

Date: 6 Aug 1998 12:56:26 GMT

--------

Does anyone know where Kava Kava based products are available for sale in

the UK?

Preferably in the London area.  I know of at least one mail order address -

but I'm

more interested in a shop.



Thanks





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Subject: Echinacea and MS Warning?

From: Romeo Bravo <Romeo.Bravo@No.Spam.com>

Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 09:30:37 -0400

--------

I bought some Celestial Seasonings brand Echinacea herbal tea (700 mg

Echinacea & 24mg Goldenseal) the other day and noticed the following

warning way on the bottom of the box:



"WARNING: Do not use for more than 6-8 weeks consecutively.  Echinacea

and goldenseal should not be used by anyone with severe systemic

illnesses such as tuberculosis, leukosis, collagen diseases, multiple

sclerosis and similiar conditions.  Do not use if you have allergies to

the daisy (Asteraceae) family or if you are pregnant or nursing."



I have been taking Echinacea in pill form for some time now with no

effects (that I know of).  However, this is the first I've heard seen

such a warning regarding Echinacea and MS.  Do you think this is a

"protect me against lawsuits" warning or is there some truth to it?



Thanks!





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Subject: Re: Echinacea and MS Warning?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 16:28:29 -0400

--------

Since echinacea exerts it's effect primarily through stimulation of the

immune system, and since MS and several other of the diseases you mentioned

are auto-immune diseases (in which the immune system begins attacking the

host organism), it is believed that any stimulation of the immune system can

result in a significant increase in the severity of the disease.

Incidentally, it is also not recommended in any of the Leukemias, diseases

in which the lymph system and white blood cell production are already out of

control.



-Rich



Romeo Bravo wrote in message <35C9AFFD.42ED@No.Spam.com>...

>I bought some Celestial Seasonings brand Echinacea herbal tea (700 mg

>Echinacea & 24mg Goldenseal) the other day and noticed the following

>warning way on the bottom of the box:

>

>"WARNING: Do not use for more than 6-8 weeks consecutively.  Echinacea

>and goldenseal should not be used by anyone with severe systemic

>illnesses such as tuberculosis, leukosis, collagen diseases, multiple

>sclerosis and similiar conditions.  Do not use if you have allergies to

>the daisy (Asteraceae) family or if you are pregnant or nursing."

>

>I have been taking Echinacea in pill form for some time now with no

>effects (that I know of).  However, this is the first I've heard seen

>such a warning regarding Echinacea and MS.  Do you think this is a

>"protect me against lawsuits" warning or is there some truth to it?

>

>Thanks!









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Subject: Re: Echinacea and MS Warning?

From: "Bill & Kay St. John" <bstjohn@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:04:29 -0500

--------

I believe the warning is because:



1. Using the echinacea all the time makes it less effective when your body

comes under stress and need the added "boost"



2. I believe the diseases listed are auto-immune diseases, where the body

attacks itself, mistaking itself for foreign intruders.  Boosting a confused

immune system could increase the debilitating effects.  I have a couple of

friends who take immunosuppressants for specific conditions, and when they

get infections, etc., I'm very careful not to recommend echinacea, because

they DON'T want their immune systems to kick in and work harder.



Kay

Dallas





Romeo Bravo wrote in message <35C9AFFD.42ED@No.Spam.com>...

>I bought some Celestial Seasonings brand Echinacea herbal tea (700 mg

>Echinacea & 24mg Goldenseal) the other day and noticed the following

>warning way on the bottom of the box:

>

>"WARNING: Do not use for more than 6-8 weeks consecutively.  Echinacea

>and goldenseal should not be used by anyone with severe systemic

>illnesses such as tuberculosis, leukosis, collagen diseases, multiple

>sclerosis and similiar conditions.  Do not use if you have allergies to

>the daisy (Asteraceae) family or if you are pregnant or nursing."

>

>I have been taking Echinacea in pill form for some time now with no

>effects (that I know of).  However, this is the first I've heard seen

>such a warning regarding Echinacea and MS.  Do you think this is a

>"protect me against lawsuits" warning or is there some truth to it?

>

>Thanks!









==========

Subject: Re: Echinacea and MS Warning?

From: waismanj@aol.com (Waismanj)

Date: 19 Aug 1998 23:28:37 GMT

--------

><HTML><PRE>Subject: Echinacea and MS Warning?

>From: Romeo Bravo <Romeo.Bravo@No.Spam.com>

>Date: Thu, Aug 6, 1998 09:54 EDT

>Message-id: <35C9B59D.37EF@No.Spam.com>

>

>I bought some Celestial Seasonings brand Echinacea herbal tea (700 mg

>Echinacea & 24mg Goldenseal) the other day and noticed the following

>warning way on the bottom of the box:

>

>"WARNING: Do not use for more than 6-8 weeks consecutively.  Echinacea

>and goldenseal should not be used by anyone with severe systemic

>illnesses such as tuberculosis, leukosis, collagen diseases, multiple

>sclerosis and similiar conditions.  Do not use if you have allergies to

>the daisy (Asteraceae) family or if you are pregnant or nursing."

>

>I have been taking Echinacea in pill form for some time now with no

>effects (that I know of).  However, this is the first I've heard seen

>such a warning regarding Echinacea and MS.  Do you think this is a

>"protect me against lawsuits" warning or is there some truth to it?



Allegedly echinacea makes the T-cells more active - thus an increase in immune

response. Unfortunately it's the T-cells that attack the myelin sheath in MS

and presumably anything that can make T-cells more active _might_ increase the

risk of an exacerbation. 



Clearly this has not been tested in double blind studies, and it would be

irresponsible for anyone to do so. Hope this  helped.



Jon





==========

Subject: Re: Grape Seed Extract

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 06 Aug 98 11:04:53 EDT

--------

reneeb@meginc.com  wrote:

If a person could get her twelve-year-old son to swallow only one herbal

capsule a day--and yes, it must be gelatin-coated--have any thoughts on what

would be the best all-around one???



Sedated@iname.com  replied:

Se> Personally, I would suggest grape seed extract.  I'm not sure about

Se> the dosage for a 12 year old...I guess it depends on his size (i.e., if

Se> he's more adult- size or kid-size).  Grape seed extract is a wonder!



    For what reasons do you say grape seed extract is a wonder?

    And do you use any particular brand?



.. End  of  message

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]





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Subject: Re: Grape Seed Extract

From: reneeb@my-dejanews.com

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:17:45 GMT

--------

WOW!  I don't know how I missed this when it was posted--I would guess

DejaNews vagaries--but thank you!  I intend to get som grapeseed extract

today!	I ahve to wonder, as far as the bioflavanoids go, if the ones I am

taking for help wit hhemorrhoids are causing my arthritic fingers to be

worse??  Anyway, I and the kids will be taking grapeseed extract today. 

Thank you for all this info.



In article <6qcont$3i$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

  catesa@my-dejanews.com wrote:

> In article <amieB975A4FE.AB.239@edgebbs.com>,

>   George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY> wrote:

> > reneeb@meginc.com  wrote:

> > If a person could get her twelve-year-old son to swallow only one herbal

> > capsule a day--and yes, it must be gelatin-coated--have any thoughts on what

> > would be the best all-around one???

> >

> > Sedated@iname.com  replied:

> > Se> Personally, I would suggest grape seed extract.  I'm not sure about

> > Se> the dosage for a 12 year old...I guess it depends on his size (i.e., if

> > Se> he's more adult- size or kid-size).  Grape seed extract is a wonder!

>

> Grape seed extract is a very powerful, hypoallergenic free radical

> scavenger/antioxidant...much more so that Vitamin E or even Vitamin C.

> Basically, it's a huge immune system booster.  It also increase the elasticity

> and flexibility in muscles, ligaments and tendons, thus decrease likelihood of

> injury.  Additionally, it acts as a calming muscle relaxer and expands the

> blood vessels for better blood flow.

>

> Here's some of the use of Grape Seed Extract has been indicated for:

>

> Anti-Inflamatory: to treat common ailments such as arthritis and allergies.

> Many bioflavonoids inhibit the release of certain enzymes that can promote

> inflammation. In the case or arthritis, free radical damage may also

> contribute to joint pain and swelling associated with this condition.

>

> Circulation: As we age, cells lose collagen, a protein fiber that is

> important for the growth and repair of cells including capillary cells.

> Weakened capillaries can lead to easy bruising and a tendency to develop

> varicose veins. By protecting against free radical assault, grape seed

> extract may help prevent weakening of capillaries. and enhance the

> performance of Vitamin C, which is indirectly involved in collagen

> production.

>

> Heart Disease: Several studies have confirmed that antioxidants like grape

> seed extract can prevent the oxidation of blood lipids, such as low-density

> lipoprotein, or "bad" cholesterol, which can promote the formation of plaque

> or fatty deposits in the arteries.

>

> Cancer Fighter; Grape seed extract is a potent antioxidant and free radical

> scavenger. Free radicals are unstable oxygen molecules that can attack normal

> cells, destroying them or causing them to mutate. Free radical damage can

> also lead to the kind of unfettered cell growth associated with cancer.

> Vitamin C is a potent antioxidant in its own right, but studies suggest that

> it may be even more effective when combined with proanthocyanidins such as

> grape seed extract.

>

> You may also want to check the info on grape seed extract at this link:

> http://www.mothernature.com/Family/Gardening/opc-art.htm

>

> Finally, may I suggest a book that offers extensive information on the

> benefits of grape seed extract: The Flavonoid Revolution : Grape Seed Extract

> and Other Flavonoids Against Disease by Michael Colgan, Lesley Colgan.

It

> can be read about and purchased at:

>

> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/189681705X/002-6219270-3739425

> --

> sedated@iname.com

>

> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

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>





--

Renee Bush

http://www.meginc.com/personal/users/reneeb/index.html

Housework Done Properly Can Kill



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Subject: Noni Juice, is it any good?

From: "Olga Sarafyn" <osarafyn@netinc.ca>

Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 13:28:53 -0400

--------

What is this noni juice from Tahiti all about.  It looks to me like a scam.I

would like some good background info on it.









==========

Subject: Re: Noni Juice, is it any good?

From: Christina Walters <cylinder@pacbell.net>

Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 11:16:04 -0700

--------

Olga Sarafyn wrote:

> 

> What is this noni juice from Tahiti all about.  It looks to me like a scam.I

> would like some good background info on it.





My family tried some of that.  It is a scam, or at least it didn't work

for us.  



--Christina Walters





==========

Subject: website seeks articles

From: shannon@yoga.com (Shannon Brophy)

Date: Thu, 06 Aug 1998 23:32:34 GMT

--------

Roots & Wings want more articles and herbal recipes. Please consider

submitting. We aren't looking for products to promote but ;recipes

people can create and use to heal themselves.

Shannon  B.





==========

Subject: Re: website seeks articles

From: "Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net>

Date: Thu, 6 Aug 1998 20:50:55 -0000

--------

Hi Shannon: Here is another recipe

Remedy for bad Cough:

>>1 cup of Flaxseed

>>1 lemon (sliced)

>>1 quart of water

>> Honey enough to sweeten

>>> Simmer all until there is one pint. Give a teaspoonful after each

coughing. keep in cool place. I have used this for all five children.



Shannon Brophy wrote in message <35cb3c88.254365644@news.ime.net>...

>Roots & Wings want more articles and herbal recipes. Please consider

>submitting. We aren't looking for products to promote but ;recipes

>people can create and use to heal themselves.

>Shannon  B.









==========

Subject: Re: Delurk, Pregnancy and herbs?

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 7 Aug 1998 00:43:53 GMT

--------

>Hello, all

>

>Can anyone provide me with a list of herbals that are safe/effectibe/helpful

>for a pregnant woman, and a list of what is dangerous and needing to be

>avoided? The woman who asked me is asthmatic, seriously so, if that is a

>factor to consider. I'd be very thankful for any help provided.

>

>Kennet



You (or the woman) might consider purchasing Susun Weed's Wise Woman Herbal For

The Childbearing Year. This book has all that you are asking about and more.



Belinda





==========

Subject: Re: Health & Freedom Issue

From: "tjohnson" <tjohnson@XYZcyberdude.com (Remove the XYZ)>

Date: 7 Aug 1998 02:12:16 GMT

--------





David Bozzi <david.bozzi@mail.snet.net> wrote in article

<35C9EFAF.B0B2ED52@mail.snet.net>...

> From: John Hammell <jham@iahf.com>

> Subject: FDA AXE FALLS AUGUST 27- UNLESS WE HAMMER

>  EM NOW!(FDA EMAIL ADDRESS ENCLOSED!!)

> 

> U.S. FDA AXE FALLS AUGUST 27- UNLESS WE BOMB EM NOW

> TIL THEN!





Hurrah!! They are finally going to make them meet the same requirements all

other suppliers of food stuffs have to meet.  Then you will know that when

you buy 1,000 mg vitamin C that is what you actually get.  It's about time.

-- 

Tom

tjohnson@XYZcyberdude.com  (remove the XYZ)

uce@ftc.gov  (Special for spam)





==========

Subject: Re: Health & Freedom Issue

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 22:46:15 -0700

--------

tjohnson wrote:

> 

> David Bozzi <david.bozzi@mail.snet.net> wrote in article

> <35C9EFAF.B0B2ED52@mail.snet.net>...

> > From: John Hammell <jham@iahf.com>

> > Subject: FDA AXE FALLS AUGUST 27- UNLESS WE HAMMER

> >  EM NOW!(FDA EMAIL ADDRESS ENCLOSED!!)

> >

> > U.S. FDA AXE FALLS AUGUST 27- UNLESS WE BOMB EM NOW

> > TIL THEN!

> 

> Hurrah!! They are finally going to make them meet the same requirements all

> other suppliers of food stuffs have to meet.  Then you will know that when

> you buy 1,000 mg vitamin C that is what you actually get.  It's about time.



If you think that has anything to do with it, then you are very

misinformed, not to mention naive.



Read the following to understand more about why FDA power must be

curbed.





        ANOTHER COURT VICTORY

        FOR FREE SPEECH





In another legal victory over the FDA, drug companies are now allowed to

provide physicians with the results of peer-reviewed scientific research

literature. This now seems ludicrous, but until this recent Court

decision, the FDA said it was illegal to inform physicians about using

FDA approved drugs for unapproved uses. The net effect of this

censorship has been that patients were not benefitting from new medical

discoveries.



In this landmark case, the FDA's position was struck down on First

Amendment grounds. Judge Joyce Lamberth could find no legal precedent

that would prohibit drug companies from handing out textbooks and

scientific journals to medical doctors. The Judges's conclusion was:



        "in asserting that any and all claims about the safety,

effectiveness, contraindications, side effects and the like regarding

prescription drugs are presumptively untruthful or misleading until the

FDA has the opportunity to evaluate them, FDA exaggerates its overall

place in the universe"



The FDA had attempted an end-run around the First Amendment by declaring

that drug company distribution of scientific research was an exercise of

commercial speech, and therefore not entitled to constitutional

protection.  The Judge responded by stating that  previous cases have:



         "repeatedly rejected governmental attempts to equate less

information with better decision making...and that physicians are

certainly capable of interpreting journal articles or medical 

textebooks."



The Wall Street Journal (Aug 5 1998) commented that, " FDA personel are

institutionally antitheticial to the very idea of for-profit drug

development. The agency's mindset would be more appropriate for drug

development in, say Cuba."



At a Congressional hearing on this issue, former FDA Commissioner David

Kessler once indicated that his agency might even have to prosecute soap

manufacturers if they touted their soap as being useful for facilitating

self-examination for breast cancer.



If you wonder why your doctor never seems to know about the latest

medical breakthroughs, thank David Kessler and the FDA for censoring the

distribution of this information.



As the Wall Street Journal concluded:



        "We live in an Information Age. The FDA lives in the Age of

Regulation...clearly incapable of adjusting to the flow of scientific

information across the industry in any sort of timely fashion. 



Needless to say, the FDA is expected to squander more tax dollars filing

an appeal or even seek an emergency stay of the Judge's ruling. 



While the FDA admits that it can only afford to inspect a fraction of

the food it did twenty years ago, the agency wastes enormous resources

fighting legal battles that it consistently loses.  The objective of

these legal battles is to circumvent the Bill of Rights and  gain powers

that the founding fathers of the United States determined that

governmental authority should never have.





--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-544-4440 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension

of the healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research,

innovative ideas and practical methods.

LIFE EXTENSION MAGAZINE - The ultimate source for new

health and medical findings from around the world.





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Subject: Raccoon Eyes

From: "Edroy" <edroy@zip.com.au>

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:12:05 +1000

--------

Hi,

I was wondering if there was a herbal remedy for those dark rings you get

under the eyes.

Also, anything to reduce sweating.



Thanx in advance.

Eden









==========

Subject: Re: Raccoon Eyes

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:53:03 GMT

--------

On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:12:05 +1000, "Edroy" <edroy@zip.com.au> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I was wondering if there was a herbal remedy for those dark rings you get

>under the eyes.



It's usually a sign that your liver isn't working quite right - you might want

to visit a local practitioner.

And do you get enough sleep?



>Also, anything to reduce sweating.



Less coffee is a good starter ;)



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: Raccoon Eyes

From: "Bill & Kay St. John" <bstjohn@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 11:09:07 -0500

--------

Those raccoon eyes are what allergists call "allergic shiners" and they're a

strong indication of, naturally, allergies.



If y'all know some way to get rid of them, I'd like to know.  Mine get worse

when my allergies act up.



Kay

Dallas



Henriette Kress wrote in message <35cff86d.25290683@news.eunet.fi>...

>On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:12:05 +1000, "Edroy" <edroy@zip.com.au> wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>I was wondering if there was a herbal remedy for those dark rings you get

>>under the eyes.

>

>It's usually a sign that your liver isn't working quite right - you might

want

>to visit a local practitioner.

>And do you get enough sleep?

>











==========

To: "Bill & Kay St. John" <bstjohn@flash.net>

Subject: Re: Raccoon Eyes

From: Lisa Almond <balmond@deltanet.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 16:37:45 -0700

--------

Bill & Kay St. John wrote:

> 

> Those raccoon eyes are what allergists call "allergic shiners" and they're a

> strong indication of, naturally, allergies.

> 

> If y'all know some way to get rid of them, I'd like to know.  Mine get worse

> when my allergies act up.

> 

> Kay

> Dallas

> 

> Henriette Kress wrote in message <35cff86d.25290683@news.eunet.fi>...

> >On Fri, 7 Aug 1998 15:12:05 +1000, "Edroy" <edroy@zip.com.au> wrote in

> >alt.folklore.herbs:

> >

> >>I was wondering if there was a herbal remedy for those dark rings you get

> >>under the eyes.

> >

> >It's usually a sign that your liver isn't working quite right - you might

> want

> >to visit a local practitioner.

> >And do you get enough sleep?

> >





Hello Kay,



You're probably right.  I got rid of my shiners and chronic sinus 

congestion/eye inflammation after I began supplementing with 

essential oils.



Lisa





==========

Subject: Re: Raccoon Eyes

From: "Bill" <lotus123@gte.net>

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 21:45:43 -0500

--------

I found the best remedy for those dark rings was more sleep. Contrary to

popular belief. 8 hours sleep a day is not always enough. Just try sleeping

more first. Then try back here.



Your other problem may be a combination of several things or only one thing.

First of all. If you are active or in a hot environment. You want to sweat.

Sweat helps you to cool down and also helps to clean those pores out if you

are in a dirty environment. Another reason for sweating is being too nervous

about something. If you are worrying about money, your S.O., breaking a law

or anything that can worry you. Just stop, relax and think pleasant

thoughts. Your metabolism may also be a lot higher than normal. Besides

maybe eating more and drinking more. That shouldn't be a problem. I just

wish MY metabolism were a lot higher!!



That said. If none of the above applies to you. Contact your doctor and at

least get an opinion. Don't commit yourself to any drugs yet, though. There

are several things(medically speaking) that could make a person sweat. I

believe a Heart Attack is one of those reasons. I know there are a bunch of

other things, as well, that can make you sweat.



So, get yourself checked out after you have analyzed your lifestyle. If it

is too hot or you wear lots of clothing. Cool yourself down or take off some

clothing.



Even the US Armed Services finally realized that troops will have to have

less clothes on when it is extremely hot. The same would go for P.T in the

services. Either they reduce it or curtail it altogether when it gets real

hot.



BTW, not everyone knows when they are having a Heart Attack.



Bill





Edroy wrote in message <6qe29q$g09$1@the-fly.zip.com.au>...

>Hi,

>I was wondering if there was a herbal remedy for those dark rings you get

>under the eyes.

>Also, anything to reduce sweating.

>

>Thanx in advance.

>Eden

>

>









==========

Subject: st johns wort smoking

From: "Zack Kaplan" <zkaplan@nycap.rr.com>

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 08:11:36 -0400

--------

i have a rather strange question--i heard that smoking st. johns wort- is an

effective relaxant-=mildly euphoric

any input on this would be greatly appreciated



thanks



zack











==========

Subject: Re: st johns wort smoking

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 01:03:55 GMT

--------

"Zack Kaplan" <zkaplan@nycap.rr.com> wrote:



>i have a rather strange question--i heard that smoking st. johns wort- is an

>effective relaxant-=mildly euphoric

>any input on this would be greatly appreciated



  Ask the person who you heard it from where their info came

from.  Most of us are taking it as capsules, teas, and tinctures.





==========

Subject: Essiac Tea

From: Patti <Pjc711@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 12:04:42 -0400

--------

Has anyone here ever taken Essiac Tea  and for what purpose



Patti







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Subject: Re: Essiac Tea

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 7 Aug 1998 16:44:06 GMT

--------

Ive never taken it but Essiac tea is predominately used in Cancer therapy



thats all i really know abt it tho

Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







==========

Subject: Re: Essiac Tea

From: a31960@aol.com (A31960)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 16:28:58 GMT

--------

give 1 tsp to my dog / day for kidney failure

her appetite has picked up





==========

Subject: Re: Cancer: Request for knowledge of alternative treatment options

From: VegasRenie@yahoo.com

Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 20:54:00 GMT

--------

In article <35B1F004.DEC33187@rockymountnc.com>,

  aws@rockymountnc.com wrote:

> Last December an elderly acquaintance was found to have metastisized

> protate cancer, Stage IV. He had one tumor in the soft tissue (the

> prostate with extension along the exterior of the urethra to the lower

> end of the bladder) and half a dozen in the bones of the pelvis and

> spine. The prescribed therapy was androgen blockade, which he accepted.

>



(everything else snipped)



I highly recommend the following:



Chaparral Tea, at least one quart a day.  Make sure it is ethically

wildcrafted from the US, not stripped from bushes at roadsides in Mexico (too

polluted).



Echinacea tincture (made by a master herbalist and should look brown and

yucky.	Makes your tongue curl if it's made right)



Lots of garlic - 6-10 fresh cloves a day.



Hydrotherapy in the form of hot and cold baths



I never tried Essiac, so I can't speak on it.



400mg CoEnzyme Q10 a day (Vitamin Shoppe has the best price; it's pretty

expensive)



4 Melatonin capsules at night



The above, along with a clean, vegetarian, all raw-food diet, 20 minutes of

sunshine and deep breathing, cured my cancer.

But it requires dedication and real focus ... it's very difficult to continue,

but it **has** to be done!



Check out Dr. Schulze's incurables program at www.healthfree.com



I pray that this helps.



Irene



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Subject: colloidal silver

From: Cynthia J Jackson <cjj@acsu.buffalo.edu>

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 17:26:06 -0400

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	Does anyone have any information on colloidal silver (sp?) ?

A friend of mine has been taking it for an unspecified uterine pain

(she experiences pain, cramping, and has had either uterine or ovarian

cysts in the past - can't remember which.  She is in her late 30s).     

She has heard that the method for extracting it uses arsenic, so she is

concerned.  Is this true ?



	She seems to be getting some relief from the colloidal silver, but

can anyone suggest another alternative ?     



	Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.





Cindy











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Subject: Re: colloidal silver

From: Schmool <schmool@bellsouth.net>

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 18:50:55 GMT

--------

I've been interested in herbs for a long time, but have just recently become a

serious student, so please, if I'm wrong, feel free to correct me.



I've never used to particular mixture, but it comes from a reliable source

"The Herb Book" by John Lust.  It has a recipe to relieve cramps and spasms:



Silverweed

Balm leaves

Camomile flowers

Mix in equal parts. Steep 1 tsp. in half cup boiling-hot water. Take 1 to 1

and a half cups a day, sweetened with honey, in mouthful doses.







I wouldn't stop taking the colloidal silver though, it sounds like that's

treating an infection of some kind, and not being used for the actal

symptoms.  I have a good friend who swears by colloidal silver and keeps a

supply on hand in her medicine cabinet.





Cynthia J Jackson wrote:



>         Does anyone have any information on colloidal silver (sp?) ?

> A friend of mine has been taking it for an unspecified uterine pain

> (she experiences pain, cramping, and has had either uterine or ovarian

> cysts in the past - can't remember which.  She is in her late 30s).

> She has heard that the method for extracting it uses arsenic, so she is

> concerned.  Is this true ?

>

>         She seems to be getting some relief from the colloidal silver, but

> can anyone suggest another alternative ?

>

>         Any information would be much appreciated. Thanks in advance.

>

> Cindy











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Subject: extracting essential oils etc.

From: billwrm@hal-pc.org

Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 23:45:14 GMT

--------

How do you extract essential oils from herbs and spices? I would like to 

extract clove oil from cloves. I would also like to extract capsium from chili 

peppers and possibly make some aspirin tablets if at all possible. Is there

a resource on how to do these things? 





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Subject: Re: extracting essential oils etc.

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 16:13:51 GMT

--------



>How do you extract essential oils from herbs and spices? I would like to 

>extract clove oil from cloves. 



It is rather involved and expensive equipment that can press the herbs

is typically used.  Then, many companies will use toxic solvents to

further extract the essential oil.  You can do well enough by grinding

the herb to a powder, then emulsifying it in oil (like olive).  Let

 stand at least two weeks shaking daily, then strain.



> I would also like to extract capsium from chili 

>peppers 



You could grind up cayenne peppers (not chili peppers), then

blend with oil or alcohol and water (vodka).  You would not get a 

exclusively capsicum extraction.



> and possibly make some aspirin tablets if at all possible. Is there

>a resource on how to do these things? 



Why would you want to make aspirin?  They are so cheap that

it would not possibly be worth it to go to the trouble.   Willow bark

capsules are also available widely, and contain salicylic acid.



turf







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Subject: Re: The Herb Yarrow

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 07 Aug 98 21:36:28 EDT

--------

Cynthia J Jackson <cjj@acsu.buffalo.edu>  wrote:

CJJ> Two other herbs containing thujone are tansy and yarrow.  The amounts

CJJ> of thujone in tansy can vary widely, however.  Like wormwood, it is

CJJ> generally considered unsafe in large doses, so it may be potent enough

CJJ> to use as a substitute for wormwood.  I've never heard of anyone being

CJJ> poisoned by yarrow though, so it may not contain enough thujone to

CJJ> replicate the psychoactive properties of wormwood.  In terms of taste,

CJJ> however, yarrow is very similar to wormwood.  If availability is the

CJJ> issue, yarrow is fairly easy to find.  I've even seen yarrow sold as a

CJJ> tea in natural foods stores.  Tansy may be harder to obtain.



CJJ> Since you seem to be aware of all the nasty things thujone can do to

CJJ> you, I won't repeat the warnings here.  Good luck with your experiment.

CJJ> I'd be interested to know how it goes.



     Question:  What are the benefits described for the herb, yarrow?



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Subject: Re: The Herb Yarrow

From: mp56347 <dwh@get2net.dk>

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 10:59:56 +0200

--------

George Lagergren wrote:

> 

  Question:  What are the benefits described for the herb, yarrow?

> 

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In Scandinavian folk medicine, it's used as a styptic/healant (leaves),

the flowers are used as a tonic/cleanser to stimulate digestion, as a

diuretic and to lower high blood pressure.

The essential oil is used as a cold remedy.



In Danish, it's sometimes called "Carpenter's weed" because of the

styptic properties of the leaves. Chew them or chop in blender and apply

- and even deep cuts will stop bleeding fairly quickly.



The leaves taste peppery and can be used (in small amounts) to flavour

salads and sauces. It's DELICIOUS as a spice in a cheese sauce.



blessings,



Dana





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Subject: Re: The Herb Yarrow

From: "John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net>

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:00:04 -0500

--------

Does anyone know where I can find a picture of yarrow?  Also, can I grow it

in Wisconsin outdoors, or does it need to be an indoor plant?  TIA.



John Mueller









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Subject: Re: The Herb Yarrow

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 08:21:41 GMT

--------

On Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:00:04 -0500, "John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Does anyone know where I can find a picture of yarrow?  Also, can I grow it

>in Wisconsin outdoors, or does it need to be an indoor plant?  TIA.



I've got a couple pics of it here:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/finland.html - it's under Achillea.



It's definitely an outdoor plant in Finland, can't say what your climate would

be like ;)



Henriette



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Subject: Re: The Herb Yarrow

From: "John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net>

Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:20:16 -0500

--------

Hi Henriette,



Thanks for the pictures.  Do you know which one of the Achilleas are of the

usable type (or are they all usable)?  I noticed that you seem to have two

different types on your Web site.



I'm thinking that we must be able to grow yarrow at least as an annual here

because the local park has it growing in their herd garden.  Hopefully I'll

be able to contact the caretaker and learn more.  IAE, they have a sign next

to the display saying that yarrow is also used as a dye.  Is that true?

What color dye do you get if so?  I'm always on the lookout for interesting

dyes to use.



John Mueller



Henriette Kress wrote in message <35cf5bbc.1814009@news.eunet.fi>...

>On Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:00:04 -0500, "John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net> wrote

in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>Does anyone know where I can find a picture of yarrow?  Also, can I grow

it

>>in Wisconsin outdoors, or does it need to be an indoor plant?  TIA.

>

>I've got a couple pics of it here:

>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/finland.html - it's under Achillea.

>

>It's definitely an outdoor plant in Finland, can't say what your climate

would

>be like ;)

>

>Henriette









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Subject: Re: The Herb Yarrow

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:23:30 GMT

--------

On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:20:16 -0500, "John Mueller" <JMueller@mwt.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Thanks for the pictures.  Do you know which one of the Achilleas are of the

>usable type (or are they all usable)?  I noticed that you seem to have two

>different types on your Web site.



I know you can use both Achillea millefolium and A. ptarmica; I'm not sure about

color-coded cultivars (bright yellow for instance) but somebody in the US said

that yes, they work the same. I think this was on the planetherb forum about a

year ago (http://www.planetherbs.com - go for the forums)(nci).



Henriette



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Subject: Re: The Herb Yarrow

From: "Deb" <thomasclan@earthlink.net>

Date: 12 Aug 1998 21:51:52 GMT

--------

According to Rodale's encyclopidia or Herbs: The (yarrow) flowers yield a

yellow dye to wool mordanted with alum. Using the whole plant, olive is

obtained in iron-mordanted wool. The yellow has good color-fastness. Hope

this helps. Arkansas Deb



John Mueller <JMueller@mwt.net> wrote in article

<6qlb0t$hak$1@news2.alpha.net>...

> Hi Henriette,

> 

  IAE, they have a sign next

> to the display saying that yarrow is also used as a dye.  Is that true?

> What color dye do you get if so?  I'm always on the lookout for

interesting

> dyes to use.

> 







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Subject: Re: The Herb Yarrow

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 00:39:17 GMT

--------

Yarrow is a wonderful weed here in NY.



I use the tincture of flowering tops as an insect repellant.



Belinda







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Subject: Re: The Herb Yarrow

From: "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H." <skip@netins.net>

Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 20:55:01 -0500

--------

Belinda- You use a tincture, I use a decoction of the leaves and find it

works well as long as you reapply often.  Do you feel the tincture works

well?

Leslie Adams, M.H.



LEvans1044 wrote in message

<1998081000391800.UAA28035@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Yarrow is a wonderful weed here in NY.

>

>I use the tincture of flowering tops as an insect repellant.

>

>Belinda

>









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Subject: Re: Cancer: Request for k

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 07 Aug 98 21:36:28 EDT

--------

aws@rockymountnc.com  wrote:

Subject: Re: Cancer: Request for knowledge of alternative treatment

Last December an elderly acquaintance was found to have metastisized

protate cancer, Stage IV. He had one tumor in the soft tissue (the

prostate with extension along the exterior of the urethra to the lower

end of the bladder) and half a dozen in the bones of the pelvis and

spine. The prescribed therapy was androgen blockade, which he accepted.



Vegasrenie@yahoo.com  replied:



Ve> I highly recommend the following:



Ve> Chaparral Tea, at least one quart a day.  Make sure it is ethically

Ve> wildcrafted from the US, not stripped from bushes at roadsides in

Ve> Mexico (too polluted).



    Question:  Would the herb, red clover, be helpful?



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Subject: Re: Cancer: Request for k

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:06:04 -0500

--------

Yes, Red Clover would be. It's a wonderful herb.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



George Lagergren wrote in message ...

>    Question:  Would the herb, red clover, be helpful?









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Subject: Re: Cancer: Request for k

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 11:06:04 -0500

--------

Yes, Red Clover would be. It's a wonderful herb.



Kay



  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade



George Lagergren wrote in message ...

>    Question:  Would the herb, red clover, be helpful?









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Subject: Re: Term - Wildcrafted

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 07 Aug 98 21:36:28 EDT

--------

Vegasrenie@yahoo.com  wrote:

Ve> Chaparral Tea, at least one quart a day.  Make sure it is ethically

Ve> wildcrafted from the US, not stripped from bushes at roadsides in

Ve> Mexico (too polluted).



    Question:  What does the word "wildcrafted" mean as applied to

    herbs?



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Subject: Re: Term - Wildcrafted

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 04:16:05 GMT

--------

George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY> wrote:



>    Question:  What does the word "wildcrafted" mean as applied to

>    herbs?



Ripped from the forests by hand?  Or, in the case of chaparral,

ripped from the deserts by hand.  







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Subject: Re: Term - Wildcrafted

From: mycowrld <mycowrld@internetcds.com>

Date: Fri, 07 Aug 1998 21:24:21 -0700

--------

George Lagergren wrote:





> 

>     Question:  What does the word "wildcrafted" mean as applied to

>     herbs?





"Wildcrafted" (as applied to herbs, mushrooms, boughs, cones etc.) means

harvested from the wild as opposed to cultivated.  I suppose "ethically

wildcrafted" means harvested from the wild with proper permits and

permissions and from an area believed to be generally free of

environmental pollutants.



-Jerry-

-- 

Jerry Haugen

The Mushroom Growers' Newsletter

P.O. Box 5065

Klamath Falls, OR 97601

USA

Mailto:jerry@mushroomcompany.com

http://www.mushroomcompany.com





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Subject: Kava Kava - More in the news

From: "Fidla" <Fidla@aol.com>

Date: Fri, 7 Aug 1998 23:50:23 -0400

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Kava Kava Touted As America's Herb Of The '90s

Baby boomers embrace gentle benefits of this Polynesian plant



--Ken Mergentime



The Polynesian herb kava kava, once more or less unnoticed by natural

products consumers, is starting to gain a solid foothold in the American

herb market. It seems that a "slow roar of consumer demand" has been

gradually sounding, according to one industry member. The herb has long been

available though not heavily promoted, but a growing number of consumers are

asking for it. Some industry members are now calling it the herb of the

'90s.



"I believe this new growth is happening because baby boomers are aggressive

at problem-solving," says Janet Zand, co-founder of an herb manufacturing

company in Boulder Colo. "They have done some research on their own and

discovered kava. Now they have embraced it and are asking for it."



The herb produces a gentle relaxing effect but does not impair mental

alertness and has few discernible side-effects, manufacturers say. "I don't

know of any other herb that creates that sense of peacefulness without

attendant narcotic effects," Zand says. "It's one of the few herbs I say you

simply must try."



About Kava Kava

Kava kava (Piper methysticum), a member of the pepper family indigenous to

the Fiji Islands, is a shrub having heart-shaped leaves and growing several

feet high. It is the rhizome or rootstock from which herbal preparations are

made.



The active principles in the kava root include a number of lactones known as

kava pyrones. The six most important compounds identified include kavaine

(also called kawain), dihydrokavaine, methysticin, dihydromethysticin,

yangonin and dihydroyangonin. These are resinous compounds and are not water

soluble. Kava is sometimes used in remedies to help fight insomnia,

nervousness, stress and anxiety. It may also help relieve cramping due to

muscle spasms and is a mild diuretic.



The effects of kava seem to vary depending on how the herb is ingested. The

natives of Fiji, for example, will sometimes chew the rootstock and make a

sort of tea. Kava prepared in this way produces a narcotic effect, unlike

the mild tonic relaxation produced by a simple extract. According to Rudolf

Fritz Weiss, M.D., in his book Herbal Medicine, "Saliva is added on chewing,

causing enzymatic degradation, the products of which give the full

intoxicating effect."



Some of kava's constituents produce a numbing effect in the mouth and have

been synthesized for use in anesthetics. Others act as a relaxant to

skeletal muscle. Herbalists say kava's more potent effects are not seen from

whole extracts but rather when large amounts of the chewed preparation are

taken or when individual constituents are concentrated and taken in large

amounts out of proportion to how they appear in nature.



Selling Kava

Kava's association with narcotic effects leaves retailers in the position of

having to sometimes deal with consumers who, having heard about kava's more

euphoric properties, may be interested in indulging in a "legal high." If

you search the internet for information on kava you may well find sites that

refer to the herb in this way. But kava is not satisfying as a recreational

drug and might not come up to the expectations of thrill-seekers.



Ronald Siegel, in his book Intoxication: Life in Pursuit of Artificial

Paradise, describes kava's effects as "strangely disappointing to many who

find that while they are happy and content, their mental alertness remains

unaffected." But the lack of a powerful drug experience may induce some to

take more of the substance in an effort to bring on a more potent effect.

Very high doses of kava may result in deleterious side-effects, such as skin

eruptions. Regular use of large doses can lead to toxic liver accumulations.



Manufacturers urge retailers to avoid the word "euphoric" when describing

kava's effects in favor of more moderate euphemisms such as "mood elevator"

or "it helps promote mental fitness."



"It's a valid concern," Zand says. "Retailers should recommend it but should

underscore caution against overuse. The same type of thing happened when

ginseng was first becoming popular. People should use kava and enjoy it, but

should exercise common sense and moderation." n



Sources

* Herbal Medicine, Rudolf Fritz Weiss, M.D., (from the German), Beaconsfield

Publishers Ltd., Beaconsfield, England, 1988.



* Medical Botany, Walter H. Lewis and Memory P.F. Elvin-Lewis, John Wiley

and Sons Inc., New York, 1977.



* The Magical & Ritual Use of Herbs, Richard Alan Miller, Destiny Books, New

York, 1983.



* GlobalHerb(TM), an herbal referencing software program distributed by

Global HealthFinders, Rohnert Park, Calif.







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Subject: Re: Kava Kava - More in the news

From: a31960@aol.com (A31960)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 16:27:30 GMT

--------

tried it for insomnia - used tincture - had absolutely no effect whatsoever





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Subject: Hair Loss-Help

From: lethrbabe@aol.com (Lethrbabe)

Date: 8 Aug 1998 05:08:22 GMT

--------



I am a 27 yr.old female... I just had a baby 6 months ago and have been losing

some hair ever since... This is my 3rd child and this has not happened

before... I was using regular shampoos, however I have since changed to an all

natural horse shampoo which has diminished the loss... However I am still

losing it... Does anyone know if there is anything else I might try?? Any help

is greatly appreciated... Thank You...







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Subject: "Herb Companion"

From: "Ambrosia" <ambrosa1@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 01:14:26 -0700

--------

Just in thought I would say I bought a really cool magazine today

"Herb Companion"   It has articles on how to grow a salsa garden and alot on

herbs for health.



--

Ambrosia











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Subject: Re: "Herb Companion"

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@world.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 04:38:07 GMT

--------

Ambrosia wrote:

> 

> Just in thought I would say I bought a really cool magazine today

> "Herb Companion"   It has articles on how to grow a salsa garden and alot on

> herbs for health.

> 

> --

> Ambrosia



I have been reading the "Herb Companion" for several years and guard

them very carefully.  I have aloud friend to barrow them in the past to

lose them forever.  It has given me many hours of informative reading. 

It is also a great source of craft ideas from the garden.



J9



- to reply send to home to world -





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Subject: Mullein - uses?

From: sandy@pacifier.com (Sandy)

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 01:26:38 -0700

--------

I just discovered the name of a weed that is totally littering my mother's

new property purchase - Mullein, or Verbascum.  It's all over their

acreage.



I can only find very short one-sentence references to it in my herb books. 

It seems to be used for coughs and/or tuberculosis.  Does anyone have

information as to its toxicity?  What doses to use?  It seems only the

flower and the roots are used for medicinal purposes.  Is it edible?



--Sandy





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Subject: Re: Mullein - uses?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 12:48:08 GMT

--------

On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 01:26:38 -0700, sandy@pacifier.com (Sandy) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I just discovered the name of a weed that is totally littering my mother's

>new property purchase - Mullein, or Verbascum.  It's all over their

>acreage.

>

>I can only find very short one-sentence references to it in my herb books. 

>It seems to be used for coughs and/or tuberculosis.  Does anyone have

>information as to its toxicity?  What doses to use?  It seems only the

>flower and the roots are used for medicinal purposes.  Is it edible?



It's not toxic, but you might want to strain it through a coffee filter to get

rid of the hairs which abound not only on the leaves but on the flowers as well.

It's not really edible - the taste of the leaf isn't all that good. The tea of

the flowers doesn't taste all that bad, and you could gather and dry flowers for

that.



It -is- mainly a cough herb, helping against a lot of different lung problems,

from sore throat to lung inflammation (you use flowers or leaves, in teas or

tinctures, for this), but it has a lot of other uses as well. 



A lot of good information on it can be found in Grieve's Modern Herbal, online

at http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html - look under Mullein.



Usually the books say to pick the flowers singly, but it's easier (even if it

won't give you quite as strong a medicine) to lop off the flowering stalks and

pull off flowers, buds and seedpods, and dry those (or use them in infused oil

or in tinctures).



A decoction or infusion of the dried root will help against incontinence and

bedwetting.



An effective and a bit different preparation of mullein is this: pick fresh

flowers, let them dissolve themselves in a jar, in the sun. The resulting liquid

can be used as a massage oil for rheumatism and arthritis, as can the infused

oil of the flowers, or even the tincture. All these, and a poultice of leaf and

flower, have also been used for painful piles - just apply, and drink a tea of

the leaf to help.



The infused oil is one of the best herbal remedies there is for earaches - warm

a dropper bottle in your pocket and let a couple of drops drip into the ear that

aches.



So, guard your treasuretrove!



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Mullein - uses?

From: "Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 13:54:11 -0000

--------

Yarrow

Heals liver, emotions - "helps you sweet it out"

Achillea millefolium

>Yarrow has been used extensively to stop bleeding of all kinds, externally

and internally for wounds, sores, rashes and piles. It is also used to

encourage sweating and is found in arthritis, pancreas, blood purifier, and

infection herb formulas.

>Yarrow (especially the warm tea) encourages sweeting which can reduce

fevers and take pressure off the kidneys and help remove toxins from the

body. Many add pepermint to improve taste.

>Animal studies have shown that yarrow protects the liver from chemical

damage and can be used to treat hepatitis.

>Yarrow is a favorite emotional healer for consulting herbalists who are

sensitive and tend to take on the problems of their clints.

>Yarrow can produce darken urine. This is not a problem

Doctor Mark

Good Bless

Sandy wrote in message ...

>I just discovered the name of a weed that is totally littering my mother's

>new property purchase - Mullein, or Verbascum.  It's all over their

>acreage.

>

>I can only find very short one-sentence references to it in my herb books.

>It seems to be used for coughs and/or tuberculosis.  Does anyone have

>information as to its toxicity?  What doses to use?  It seems only the

>flower and the roots are used for medicinal purposes.  Is it edible?

>

>--Sandy









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Subject: Re: Mullein - uses?

From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 08:13:53 -0800

--------

In article <sandy-ya02408000R0808980126380001@news.pacifier.com>,

sandy@pacifier.com (Sandy) wrote:



#I just discovered the name of a weed that is totally littering my mother's

#new property purchase - Mullein, or Verbascum.  It's all over their

#acreage.

#

#I can only find very short one-sentence references to it in my herb books. 

#It seems to be used for coughs and/or tuberculosis.  Does anyone have

#information as to its toxicity?  What doses to use?  It seems only the

#flower and the roots are used for medicinal purposes.  Is it edible?

#

#--Sandy



Hi Sandy...



The previous post outlines some nice info...allow me to add this:



Mullein ear-oil is made by infusing the flowers in olive-oil, but NOT in

the sun. Pack a small jar with the flowers, then pour in the oil, let it

settle, then pour in more until full. Cap and store in a cool dark place

for 10-14 days. Extract via wringing out in a folded piece of cheesecloth,

store in brown glass.



All parts of Mullein, esp the flowers, have a pronounced 'narcotic' effect

upon humans. Tea is sedative, even to extreme.



As sedative/antispasmodic/anodyne, combine with HOPS flowers (fresh) to

tincture or as tea. Wild Lettuce (lactuca Virosa) also combines well in the

above.



Leaf can be dried and smoked as lung/bronchial antispasmodic,, or part of a

mix of herbs; Mullein leaf, Uva Ursi, Coltsfoot (mix called 'Kinikinik' by

local natives).



Stalks, stripped of leaf and soaked in 'tallow' (fat) are an incredible

torch, ornamental at night. Wiccans take note!



M root is quite powerful antispasmodic for lung, as well as being mucilaginous.



Leaf has been used as insulation in clothing for cold weather...lots of

puffy bulk to hold air.



Stalk, stripped and dried, can be used like 'Moxa-stick' for local external

heating.



Best,



==Gene Poole=



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance





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Subject: Re: Mullein - uses?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 08:19:55 GMT

--------

>All parts of Mullein, esp the flowers, have a pronounced 'narcotic' effect

>upon humans. Tea is sedative, even to extreme.



Where 'narcotic', to the herbalist, means it calms, relaxes, sedates, or induces

sleep.



Thanks for your added tidbits!

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Gotu Kola

From: "Lynne Braid" <kellyco@town.nd.edu.au>

Date: Sat, 8 Aug 1998 19:13:09 +0800

--------

I am looking for information on Gotu Kola, does anyone have a favorite site

that they can point me too.



Many thanks

Lynne









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Subject: herbs to help quit smoking

From: pumperto@hotmail.com (PumperTO)

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 18:58:55 GMT

--------

My aunt of 70 is trying to quit smoking after 50 years of heavy (2 pks a day).



She doesn't want the patch or other prescription drugs...  Is there any herb or 

combination that might help her overcome the withdrawal syndromes that 

accompany "cold turkey" cessation??



Thanks...





Jim







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Subject: Re: herbs to help quit smoking

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:08:36 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Janny5 wrote:

> If the capsule is

> opened and some of it is put on the tongue then swished around the mouth with

> water for about 30 seconds before smoking - this will make the cigarette taste

> awful.



I have a cheaper solution: smear cayenne pepper on the filter.



> I will be happy to provide prices and

> more information.



Why don't you provide more of your 'information' here? This way we can

evaluate it to make sure another person isn't being 'ripped' off by

'swishing' sounds - be they magical capsules or the sound of money

yanked from wallet.



-Val

-- 

@=-----------------------------------------=@=-----------------------=@

      The -Official- Current 93             \"What shadows we are, and

          ~Sound Source~                    | what shadows we pursue."

http://members.xoom.com/evilnoddy/index.htm /    -- Edmund Burke, 1780

@=-----------------------------------------=@=-----------------------=@                            

:   I recall in the "Peter Rabbit" books that there is a mention of   :

:     "rabbit tobaccy" smoked by one of the "old man" rabbits...      :





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Subject: Re: chickweed

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 8 Aug 1998 23:07:12 GMT

--------

Hello Richard and Anna,



According to Susun Weed, Chickweed can be a wonderful laxative which works

gently and effectively, but it also can be tricky getting the dosage just

right.   She claims that the tiniest bit of an "overdose" which could differ

in amount from one person to another, can cause some real problems.   She

also mentioned some of the diuretic and appetite suppressing effects as

well.



I am curious to know more about the part about dissolving fatty tumors

(lipomas)  I have quite a few of those!



Regards,

Evelyn









Richard M LaFrance wrote in message

<6qihof$7obm$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...

>Chickweed

>The mild mannered mystery

>Stellaria media

>>Chickweed is a mild, soothing, cooling nutritious herb. Its one of the

most

>common weeds in the world. It's properties are poorly documented and widely

>debated. It's at least, a gental tonic food (used to balance body

>metabolism) and a fine poutice.

>>A famous folk use of chickweed is a remedy for obesity. It contains

>steroidal saponins that emulsify fat. Many herbalists believe that this

>activity helps dissolve body fat deposits and fatty tumors. It has been

>called an appetite depressant. It is mildly diuretic.

>>Chickweed certainly contains antibiotic properties that help with

>respiratoy problems such as bronchitis, cough, cold, sore throat and flu.

Ti

>may have been used long ago in Europe for tuberculosis.

>>Depending on who you talk to, chickweed is eather the most underrated or

>over rated herb around. You can put some in my salad any time.

>Doctor Mark God Bless

>Anna wrote in message <6qice4$df$1@santaclara.santafe.edu>...

>>Can anyone tell me more about Chickweed. Its medicinal properties and

>>uses-both internal and external.

>>                                    Anna

>>

>>

>

>









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Subject: Re: chickweed

From: Bill Young <byoung@alaska.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 17:52:17 GMT

--------

Recently got a bee sting on my arm. Rubbed it with chickweed and it took

the pain away, but the area had a slight swelling and mild rash and

itched for 4 days. Comments??? Thanks.





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Subject: Re: chickweed

From: "Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 16:13:05 -0000

--------

To all groups: (Bee Stings - Yellow Jackets) Allergy



Oil of Lavender - very effective for itching & stinging



Immediate relief

1 part charcoal or Redmond Clay enough water to make paste smear on sting.



Hope this helps

God Bless



Bill Young wrote in message <35CF3399.7F6B@alaska.net>...

>Recently got a bee sting on my arm. Rubbed it with chickweed and it took

>the pain away, but the area had a slight swelling and mild rash and

>itched for 4 days. Comments??? Thanks.









==========

Subject: Re: chickweed

From: jensummers@aol.com (JenSummers)

Date: 11 Aug 1998 13:38:50 GMT

--------

In article <6qnk8b$rri$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>, "Richard M LaFrance"

<HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net> writes:



>To all groups: (Bee Stings - Yellow Jackets) Allergy

>

>Oil of Lavender - very effective for itching & stinging

>

My husband was stung on his finger by an angry wasp and his bee sting was

actually bleeding.  I mixed a teaspoon of vinger with 4 drops of lavender

essential oil, dip a cotton ball in it, and then put the saturated cotton ball

on his finger with a bandaid to hold in place.  His finger didn't swell and

this mixture took the pain away.



Jennifer Summers







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Subject: Does anyone know a good Aromatherapy Education Video

From: Tracie Acheson <healer@ar.com.au>

Date: Sat, 08 Aug 1998 21:49:56 -0400

--------

Is anyone aware of a educational video that shows the common essential

oil plants in their environment along with any distillation processes

etc.  Preferrably in the English/Australian PAL format,  but if not

....NTSC would be fine.

Thanks  :-)







==========

Subject: Re: Does anyone know a good Aromatherapy Education Video

From: jennahw@my-dejanews.com

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:39:39 GMT

--------

In article <35CD0044.ED3609AD@ar.com.au>,

  Tracie Acheson <healer@ar.com.au> wrote:

> Is anyone aware of a educational video that shows the common essential

> oil plants in their environment along with any distillation processes

> etc.  Preferrably in the English/Australian PAL format,  but if not

> ....NTSC would be fine.

> Thanks  :-)

>

Try the Institute of Dynamic Aromatherapy in Seattle. This school has

what is probably the biggest AT library and a range of courses for people

wishing to become aromatherapists or merely wanting to learn blending.



Their website is http://www.fragrantearth.com



Good luck



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==========

Subject: Re: Does anyone know a good Aromatherapy Education Video

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 14 Aug 1998 16:32:10 GMT

--------

I've been hearing nothing but good things about the Seattle school for the last

couple of months. For those interested in talks and conferences, the National

Association for Holistic Aromatherapy is having their second conference and

trade show in St. Louis on Sept. 25-28. Looks like a great set of speakers from

Germany, UK, US, and Australia. 



You can get the brochure by calling 1-888-ASK-NAHA.

Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Lemon Balm

From: "Connie Anderson" <cmdrkonstanze@turbonet.com>

Date: 9 Aug 98 04:27:43 GMT

--------

I have a huge crop of Lemon Balm this year.  Any suggestions for what I

could do with it?  (Culinary or medicinal)



Connie





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Subject: Re: Lemon Balm

From: "Fidla" <Fidla@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 17:24:00 -0400

--------

I love Melissa tea with the fresh leaf.  It's very aromatic, so you can dry

some and use it for fragrance, or make a massage oil with extract of the

leaf and some good body oil (it's great for cramps, aches and menstrual

cramping).  Lemon Balm is uplifting to the spirits, so you can make an

extract of it and use it for a little pickme up from time to time.  It'

makes a great sun tea, too.  Delicious!









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Subject: Re: Lemon Balm

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 00:39:58 GMT

--------

Vinegar! Great on salads.



Belinda





==========

Subject: Re: Lemon Balm

From: Thomas McClung <chip@mcclung.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:03:23 -0400

--------

You can drink lemon balm tea all year long. It is a tonic herb and has a

calming effect on the nervous system. This is usually called Melissa Tea.

enjoy it.

Cathy



Connie Anderson wrote:



> I have a huge crop of Lemon Balm this year.  Any suggestions for what I

> could do with it?  (Culinary or medicinal)

>

> Connie

>







==========

Subject: New solvents cleanse regimen

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 17:47:19 GMT

--------



Here's my new solvents regimen, probably one of the most

widely recommended of my cleansing regimens.  It now

says to use Nature's Herbs Dandelion Goldenseal instead of their

Dandelion Yellowdock combination, since this seems to 

be more effective.   All supplements mentioned are widely

available at herb shops and health food stores.  All of them

are reasonably priced - whole program should cost less than $35 in a 

discount health food store.



========================Solvents=======================



Now Silymarin



Magnesium (Twinlab Magnesium capsules, e.g.)



Solaray Dandelion Goldenseal Combination



Nature's Plus Nature Cleanse



Ginger capsules or fennel seeds



Fiber, Solaray Tetracleanse, alpha lipoic acid, Biochem Liver 

Support Factors, Nature's Herbs Dandelion Yellowdock Blend, 

vitamin C. 



========================================================



The main place that solvents and petroleum byproducts accumulate 

is the liver.  The turmeric and fennel seed in the Digestion and 

Elimination regimen are good herbs to cleanse the liver of 

these.  However, these may not be effective enough if there is a 

significant amount.  In this case, other botanicals such as 

yellowdock, dandelion root, and silymarin can be used.



This regimen is astonishing to some people.  When one's urine 

and feces smell like a freshly-tarred road for up to two 

weeks, it illustrates how much petroleum may be stored in the 

body, especially the liver and gallbladder.  It is performed 

for one week, but if elimination products still have a petrol 

odor, perform up to two weeks.



When taking these types of supplements, it is prudent to take a 

fiber supplement, or ensure that adequate amounts are included 

in the diet. Otherwise, the liver could eject the solvents only 

to have them reabsorbed by the intestines and end up back in 

the liver.  Use a good fiber source like flax seed or eat oatmeal

daily and eat an apple or two a day.



--------



Take the following an hour or two before sleep with plenty of 

water.



Now Silymarin, 1-2 capsules (start with 1).



Magnesium (Twinlab Magnesium capsules, e.g.), 1000mg.  Use 

chelate form only if stool is typically too loose.  Use oxide 

form if typically too hard. To be safe, start with 500 and work 

up to 1000 and take with at least 500mg calcium).  



Solaray Dandelion Goldenseal Combination, 3-4 capsules.



Nature's Plus Nature Cleanse, 2 tablets.



Ginger capsules (3) or fennel seeds (1 teaspoon, chewed well).



Use for a week, or until there is no longer a petroleum smell 

to the urine or feces, up to two weeks.



--------



Fennel seeds have a licorice taste.  If this cannot be 

tolerated, capsules are available at herb shops.



The dandelion goldenseal combination is a good single 

supplement to remove solvents from the liver taken long term at 

recommended dosage, and can be used solely if money is short, 

as can Country Life Biochem Liver Support Factors. 



The Nature's Plus Nature Cleanse says it is a stimulant 

laxative, but it is composed mostly of guar gum, plantain 

leaves, butternut bark, and yellowdock with a few other herbs. 

It is one of the safest laxtive preparations I have seen, since 

it excludes senna, cascara sagrada, or other strong laxatives. 

Like other laxatives, taking more than recommended dose can 

still cause cramps, though, if not taken with fennel seeds or 

ginger.  As with any laxative, ensure adequate water, 

potassium, sodium, and other minerals in the diet.





This regimen can be performed for a week or two before it is 

attempted to remove stones and crystals from the liver to be 

safe. This regimen also helps remove deposits and parasites 

from the liver, and will provide help with allergies, high 

cholesterol, upper back pain, chemical sensitivity, and other 

liver problems, but if it does not, proceed to the stones, 

crystals, and deposits regimen, liver portion.











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Subject: Re: Severe Skin Rash

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 17:52:38 GMT

--------

nOn Sun, 09 Aug 1998 16:18:51 GMT, Schmool <schmool@bellsouth.net> wrote:



> I'm in search of help for a new friend of mine who has a severe

>itchy skin rash. 



Is it a burning stinging itch symmetrically distributed? It could be

dermatitis herpetiformis, a rash related to gluten consumption.



A new unscratched lesion is red, raised, and usually less than 1 cm in

diameter with a tiny blister at the center. However, if scratched, crusting

appears on the surface. The "burning" or "stinging" sensation is different

from a "regular" itch, and can often occur 8-12 hours before a lesion

appears.



The most common areas are the extensor surfaces of the elbows and knees,

back of the neck and scalp, upper back, and the buttocks. Facial and

hair-line lesions are not uncommon; the inside of the mouth is rarely

affected. The rash has symmetric distribution.



Several physical triggers are known to set off an attack of DH, especially

exposure to iodides and bromides which are contained in household cleaners.

Other triggers of an attack are sunlight and pre-menstrual hormones.

Ibuprofen (NSAIDs) types of pain relievers may increase DH problems.



For images of severe cases see: 



  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/index.shtml#DH



I can send you a detailed file on this if this fits your friend's rash.



Don (really at panix.com)





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Subject: Re: Nicotiana variety?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 18:04:51 GMT

--------

George Pohn <gpohn@theboss.net> wrote:



>Hi,  I've grown some nicotiana from seed, the plants came up normaly

>with smallish leaves. However two of the plants have large broad

>leaves(easily a 12" across).



>Would any one have any idea what variety this might be?



did you grow from a purchased seed pack, or from saved seed?  The

hybrids sold by major seed companies will revert to the "wild"

type very quickly if you save and replant seed.







==========

Subject: Re: Nicotiana variety?

From: picolat@geocities.com (LAM)

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 01:06:59 GMT

--------

Hi George,



It sounds like 'Nicotiana sylvestris'.  It is a large plant with very

broad leaves as you described, and white flowers, and VERY fragrant.

I grow it because of its statuesque look, fragrance, and because it

attracts an unusual moth, the hummingbird moth, to the nectar.

Regards,

L A Morris



On Sat, 08 Aug 1998 09:59:10 -0600, George Pohn <gpohn@theboss.net>

wrote:



>Hi,  I've grown some nicotiana from seed, the plants came up normaly

>with smallish leaves. However two of the plants have large broad

>leaves(easily a 12" across).

>Would any one have any idea what variety this might be?

>

>Thanks & regards

>George Pohn







==========

Subject: Re: Is CordyMax Cs-4 safe? (cordyceps sinensis)

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 18:21:32 GMT

--------

rachthird@aol.com (RachThird) wrote:



>I've saw a bottle of St. John's Wort which contained 750mg of CordyMax Cs-4

>(cordyceps sinensis). The company claims it is a energy enhancer.  

  It is not an energy enhancer, according to most of the

citations I saw it is for treating nephritis and various

disorders, but not specifically as "energy enhancer".  some claim

it is "similar to ginseng", but cite no research.



>Can anyone tell me about this product?



  you know, looking it up in AltaVista is always an option ...

there are 300+ citations for it.



  Cordiceps is a fungus, perhaps a mushroom, that grows on the

molts (shed skins? or certain life stages?) of certain

caterpillars.  It is in the ergot family.



Cordyceps sinensis is sometimes called caterpillar fungus.  In

Chinese, Cordyceps means "summer plant, winter worm." Cordyceps

grow by infecting insect larvae or mature insects with spores

that germinate, often before the cocoon is formed. The fruiting

body of the Cordyceps grows from the dead host.



  What is promoted in the US is often a fungus that can be

isolated FROM C. sinenses (it is a co-parasite of the

caterpillars), but that is NOT the same species.  Others claim to

have a "vegetarian" strain of the fungus that grows on rice -

without seeing the results of tests on wild and domestic strains,

it would be difficult to evaluate thse claims.



>  Is it safe? 

How the heck should we know.  It kills the caterpillars it grows

on, so it's definitely not safe for them.







==========

Subject: Re: Is CordyMax Cs-4 safe? (cordyceps sinensis)

From: mycowrld <mycowrld@internetcds.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:45:12 -0700

--------

> >I've saw a bottle of St. John's Wort which contained 750mg of CordyMax Cs-4

> >(cordyceps sinensis). The company claims it is a energy enhancer.



Kenneth Jones in his book "Cordyceps: Tonic Food of Ancient China"

suggests that Cordyceps sinensis (the caterpillar mushroom) has

medicinal uses for sedation, muscle relaxation, asthma, liver

dysfunction, arrhythmia, cholesterol reduction, kidney dysfunction,

immune system problems and impotency. He's got a detailed bibliography

to back this up. (See 

http://www.mushroomcompany.com/books/bookjonescordy.html

for a book review - from a mushroom grower's perspective.)  



Christopher Hobbs in his book "Medicinal Mushrooms" quotes research that

demonstrates immunostimulation and immunoregulation.  This research

suggests that cordyceps boosts depressed immune function, but doesn't do

much for a normal immune system.  Human clinical studies show theraputic

value in chronic obstructive hepatic diseases, hypercholesterolemia

(high cholesterol), and loss of sexual drive.



Is it safe?  According to Hobbs, animal studies show low toxicity with

the LD50 at 27.26+-4.38 g/kg in mice.  Hobb's notes a recommended

dosage,from a paper by Liu and Bau, at 3-9 grams twice daily or 1 gram

of an extract (when used for a tonic).  Thus it would appear that the

750 mg is below the effective level even assuming it is an extract.



Athletes have been known to use cordyceps as an energy enhancer.  Hobbs

mentions that Cordyceps ophioglossoides, a different species, stimulates

blood circulation.  Maybe that's what they use.



-Jerry-

-- 

Jerry Haugen

The Mushroom Growers' Newsletter

P.O. Box 5065

Klamath Falls, OR 97601

USA

Mailto:jerry@mushroomcompany.com

http://www.mushroomcompany.com





==========

Subject: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: "Wanda" <melange@wwa.com>

Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 14:13:25 -0500

--------

I am confused as whether to buy Standardized Extracts or not! I thought I

had it all straight in my mind that standardized extracts are of better

quality & the potency would be confirmed.

However, at the heallthfood store, the owner, informed me that there is a

big controversy over all of this. (I'm not sure if I am going to get this

right but, I'll give it a try)...extracts that are not standardized, the

whole plants are used, therefore making the product actually better quality?

The controversy, as the owner claimed, is that the whole plant extracts work

better than the standardized extracts???

Is this correct?

Do standardized extracts not include the whole plant?

Can the other extracts not guarantee potency of active/effective

ingredients?

Please forgive & correct my ignorance of terminology...but, do explain!!!









==========

Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: "Wanda" <melange@wwa.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:13:31 -0500

--------



Moreno Polloni wrote in message ...



>By whole plant extracts, were you referring to alcohol-based extracts? This

is

the form of extract I prefer, as it contains all or most of the whole herbs

chemical components, in more or less the same proportions, but in a

concentrated

>form.



Yes. I was referring to alcohol-based extracts, I believe I read that the

alcohol based extracts hold the potency better than the others (oil

based???).

Is that correct?



thanks









==========

Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: "Moreno Polloni" <unspammable@istar.ca>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:37:19 GMT

--------



Wanda wrote in message <6qojau$miu$1@hirame.wwa.com>...

>

>Moreno Polloni wrote in message ...

>

>>By whole plant extracts, were you referring to alcohol-based extracts? This

>is

>the form of extract I prefer, as it contains all or most of the whole herbs

>chemical components, in more or less the same proportions, but in a

>concentrated

>>form.

>

>Yes. I was referring to alcohol-based extracts, I believe I read that the

>alcohol based extracts hold the potency better than the others (oil

>based???).

>Is that correct?

>

>thanks

>





From what I understand, alcohol is much better at extracting active ingredients

from most herbs than is either oil or vinegar. And alcohol is an excellent

preservative.



If you want to give herbs to young children, and don't want to give them

alcohol, there are a few brands of glycerine extracts available, as well as some

de-alcoholized extracts.











==========

Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 11 Aug 1998 20:55:05 GMT

--------

>From what I understand, alcohol is much better at extracting active

>ingredients

>from most herbs than is either oil or vinegar. And alcohol is an excellent

>preservative.

>

>If you want to give herbs to young children, and don't want to give them

>alcohol, there are a few brands of glycerine extracts available, as well as

>some

>de-alcoholized extracts.

>

Vinegar extracts minerals which alcohol does not. Herbal vinegars last for

years depending on the vinegar used.



If you don't want the alcohol from the tincture/extract for whatever reason,

put it in boiling water or tea or (heaven forbid) coffee, should take care of

the problem, no?



Belinda





==========

Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: Leslie Taylor <Leslie@rain-tree.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 14:39:51 +0000

--------

Yes, well there is alot of controversy about all this. Let me see if I can

shed some light on it for you.



Each plant has hundreds of chemicals in it and we don't know how they work

together, synergistically or how they might balance, offset or potentiate

each other.  When you manufacture a standardized extract, the whole plant is

used, but you are changing the unique chemical makeup of the plant in the

process. You use a chemical or menstrum (like alcohol, glycerine or other

chemicals)

to extract the one chemical you are trying to standardize the extract to. In

this process, you may be leaving other chemicals behind and/or at least changing



the ratio of the chemicals from the original plant chemistry... you get more of

some and less of others in the extraction process. Since we don't understand the



complexities of the herbs and how all the chemicals work together,

standardized extracts will give varying results.  There is quite alot of

research to

validate this. Also another downside of standardized extracts has been the

chemicals

used in the extraction process. Many consumers don't realize that harmful

chemicals are used with some herbs because they make it easier/cheaper to

extract the

one chemical in the plant. One product I tested used methane gas in the process

and wasn't evaporated off properly and the final product (which I pulled off a

store shelf) exploded when I put it in boiling water. (Certainly not something I



would want to ingest) The new label laws going into effect now are addressing

these concerns because manufacturers are now required to disclose and list ALL

ingredients used in extracting even if the chemicals are supposedly not

supposed to be present in the final product. So keep reading those labels and if

its

not on there - call and ask!



When you make a non-standardized extract (like a liquid 4:1 extract), the

level of active constituents/chemicals will vary with each manufactured lot,

depending on the quality of the starting materials/herbs, the extraction process

and

other factors. Companies won't spend the money to assay/test each lot for active



ingredients or redo/reprint product labels on each lot to state the levels

of the actives since they vary with each manufacturing run.



My own experience and answer is really that it depends on the herb, the

product you buy,  the chemical you are trying to get into your body and for what



purpose.  I think the standardized herbs have evolved because there are too

many companies out there selling inferior products. What's on the label of a

botanical is not always what's inside. Too many adulturants are showing up,

the wrong species used/sold, and consumers get ripped off taking something that

its not. And in the process, the herb gets a bad name, saying that its not

effective. Atleast with the standardized extract you have some guarantee

that its the right plant and the level of active constituent/chemicals of one or



more chemicals in a plant which may have known properties/benefits that you are

looking for.  The other option is to research and verify a really good

manufacturer who takes the time and spends the money to verify the quality

and species of the bulk botanicals they put in their products.  As a bulk

botanical supplier to manufacturers in this industry, I have to say sadly that

these

are in the minority.



Hope this answers your questions.

Leslie Taylor:   http://www.rain-tree.com/author.htm

Raintree Nutrition, Inc.

Raintree Marketing, Inc.

1601 W. Koenig Ln

Austin, Texas 78756 USA

Corporate Website:  http://www.rain-tree.com









Wanda wrote:



> I am confused as whether to buy Standardized Extracts or not! I thought I

> had it all straight in my mind that standardized extracts are of better

> quality & the potency would be confirmed.

> However, at the heallthfood store, the owner, informed me that there is a

> big controversy over all of this. (I'm not sure if I am going to get this

> right but, I'll give it a try)...extracts that are not standardized, the

> whole plants are used, therefore making the product actually better quality?

> The controversy, as the owner claimed, is that the whole plant extracts work

> better than the standardized extracts???

> Is this correct?

> Do standardized extracts not include the whole plant?

> Can the other extracts not guarantee potency of active/effective

> ingredients?

> Please forgive & correct my ignorance of terminology...but, do explain!!!







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Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:53:24 -0400

--------

I disagree - you are still only guessing about what's in it.  You still know

nothing about the strength, particularly if it is one of those herbs that

are not especially bitter or aromatic.  And even those bitter herbs may

contain more than one compound responsible for the bitterness, so you don't

really know which of those compounds you're getting.



There is a LOT of research out there that shows that the quantities and

relative amounts of active compounds in herbs varies a lot depending (in

part) on how and where they're grown.  For instance, you can grow English

lavender (if you have a green thumb) almost anywhere, but you are very

unlikely to get the quantity and quality of essential oils (the scent

compounds) growing it anywhere else unless the climate and soil closely

match that where it is native.



-Rich



ma pickle > wrote in message ...

>The best thing to do (whenever possible) is harvest the herb yourself and

>then use it as a tea or make a tincture. You know what's in it and you know

>no company has played with it for profit.

>

>









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Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: Leslie@rain-tree.com

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 05:43:57 GMT

--------

Yes, I have to agree with Rich on this one too.  In addition, too many people

don't take the time to really learn about the herb and what is the best

method of extracting it: tincture, decoction, infusion, etc. Each herb is

different and has different chemicals and you may be leaving alot behind when

you employ the same process for every herb.  A good example is pau d'arco. 

The active constituents that most people are looking for can only be

extracted by boiling it at high heat for at least 10 minutes or longer (a

decoction). Too many people make "tea"	(an infusion) leaving all the good

stuff (and benefits) in the cup, then say that the herb wasn't good or didn't

work for them.	It's fine to be a self-starter and make your own formulas and

remedies... just take the time to do the research and learn about the plants

first.





Leslie Taylor - http://www.rain-tree.com/author.htm

Raintree Marketing, Inc.

Austin, Texas





In article <6rktg4$ikn@obi-wan.fdt.net>,

  "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:

> I disagree - you are still only guessing about what's in it.  You still know

> nothing about the strength, particularly if it is one of those herbs that

> are not especially bitter or aromatic.  And even those bitter herbs may

> contain more than one compound responsible for the bitterness, so you don't

> really know which of those compounds you're getting.

>

> There is a LOT of research out there that shows that the quantities and

> relative amounts of active compounds in herbs varies a lot depending (in

> part) on how and where they're grown.  For instance, you can grow English

> lavender (if you have a green thumb) almost anywhere, but you are very

> unlikely to get the quantity and quality of essential oils (the scent

> compounds) growing it anywhere else unless the climate and soil closely

> match that where it is native.

>

> -Rich

>

> ma pickle > wrote in message ...

> >The best thing to do (whenever possible) is harvest the herb yourself and

> >then use it as a tea or make a tincture. You know what's in it and you know

> >no company has played with it for profit.

> >

> >

>

>





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Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: "Wanda" <melange@wwa.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 20:13:42 -0500

--------

Everyone has gone to great efforts to answer my original "standardized

extracts or not" question and I greatly appreciate all the points of views

on this. Now, I have another question now please.....(started another thread

re: this but, no one has answered)....TIA.



What damage if any, could have been done to my extracts stored in the

fridge. The fridge is on it's last legs & I am afraid I have ruined my

supply of extracts...some standardized, some not, most involve alcohol, a

couple glycerin preparations...the fridge has seemed to go on the fritz, it

partially froze many items stored on the shelves.



I realize alcohol preparations have to reach a certain temp before freezing

but, I have noticed that a few alcohol extracts have seemed to separate or

for lack of better terms, now have bits of particles floating around, & they

do not mix w/the liquid now, when shaken.



I have a small investment in extracts, about 11 bottles...kind of concerned!



Any clues to damage of Evening of Primrose Oil capsules also?



Thanks,

Wanda











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Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: "Moreno Polloni" <unspammable@istar.ca>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:50:38 GMT

--------

Alcohol is an excellent preservative, and alcohol extracts will last for years

at room temperature. Is there any particular reason you've been storing them in

the fridge?





Wanda wrote in message <6s2b7u$rnf$1@hirame.wwa.com>...

>Everyone has gone to great efforts to answer my original "standardized

>extracts or not" question and I greatly appreciate all the points of views

>on this. Now, I have another question now please.....(started another thread

>re: this but, no one has answered)....TIA.

>

>What damage if any, could have been done to my extracts stored in the

>fridge. The fridge is on it's last legs & I am afraid I have ruined my

>supply of extracts...some standardized, some not, most involve alcohol, a

>couple glycerin preparations...the fridge has seemed to go on the fritz, it

>partially froze many items stored on the shelves.

>

>I realize alcohol preparations have to reach a certain temp before freezing

>but, I have noticed that a few alcohol extracts have seemed to separate or

>for lack of better terms, now have bits of particles floating around, & they

>do not mix w/the liquid now, when shaken.

>

>I have a small investment in extracts, about 11 bottles...kind of concerned!

>

>Any clues to damage of Evening of Primrose Oil capsules also?

>

>Thanks,

>Wanda

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: "Wanda" <melange@wwa.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:47:42 -0500

--------

Oops...sorry about the previous error! (I e-mailed w/no reply in error)



Yes, I have a particular reason! It is a very hot summer here by me, I do

not have air conditioning in my home....it has been so hot that even the

storeage cupboards get extremely warm. I would go to take my extracts & they

would be much above room temp, they actually were hot. I previously

explained that not all of my extracts are alcohol based....I felt just to be

on the safe side, I would put all of them in the fridge, the store owner

said it couldn't hurt them anyway! I, nor the store owner, could never have

possibly known that my fridge would go on the fritz!

Did you have an answer to my question?



Moreno Polloni wrote in message ...

>Alcohol is an excellent preservative, and alcohol extracts will last for

years

>at room temperature. Is there any particular reason you've been storing

them in

>the fridge?

>

>

>Wanda wrote in message <6s2b7u$rnf$1@hirame.wwa.com>...

>>Everyone has gone to great efforts to answer my original "standardized

>>extracts or not" question and I greatly appreciate all the points of views

>>on this. Now, I have another question now please.....(started another

thread

>>re: this but, no one has answered)....TIA.

>>

>>What damage if any, could have been done to my extracts stored in the

>>fridge. The fridge is on it's last legs & I am afraid I have ruined my

>>supply of extracts...some standardized, some not, most involve alcohol, a

>>couple glycerin preparations...the fridge has seemed to go on the fritz,

it

>>partially froze many items stored on the shelves.

>>

>>I realize alcohol preparations have to reach a certain temp before

freezing

>>but, I have noticed that a few alcohol extracts have seemed to separate or

>>for lack of better terms, now have bits of particles floating around, &

they

>>do not mix w/the liquid now, when shaken.

>>

>>I have a small investment in extracts, about 11 bottles...kind of

concerned!

>>

>>Any clues to damage of Evening of Primrose Oil capsules also?

>>

>>Thanks,

>>Wanda

>>

>>

>>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:47:06 -0400

--------

Moreno Polloni wrote in message ...

>Standardized extracts contain a specific concentration of what is

*believed* to

>be the active ingredient, in consistent and repeatable amounts.



Standardized extracts use one or more compounds as "marker" compounds,

indicative of overall activity.  This does not mean they assume that only

one compound is responsible for the activity of the whole herb, merely that

there is some assurance that the herb has *some* activity.  Given the

well-established fact that herbs can vary tremendously in strength depending

on a wide variety of environmental factors and post-harvest treatment,

establishing an estimate of potency assures the consumer they are not buying

worthless trash, or OTOH possibly overdosing.



>Most plants have

>thousands of chemical components, and they may or may not be active.  These

>chemicals may buffer or regulate the activity of the more active

ingredients, in

>ways we just don't know yet. Some would say that when you take apart a

plant and

>concentrate individual components, you are ignoring the holistic view of

>herbalism, the concept of interaction between the parts, and you end up

with a

>drug.



Possibly, but this is NOT what standardized extracts do.  Ordinarily

standardized extracts are not much different from tinctures except that the

potency is guaranteed.



>The manufacture of standardized extracts usually involves the use of

>environmentally unfriendly harsh chemicals such as benzene, acetone, butyl

>alcohol, methyl alcohol, or carbon tetrachloride, which may not always be

>completely removed from the final product.





I would be interested to know where you get your information about

"usually".  The majority of extracts I am familiar with do not make use of

the solvents you name, and many are no more than freeze-dried aqueous

extracts.  Of course, it helps to educate yourself and be comfortable with

the companies which make the products you use.



As far as "whole plant" extracts go, there is another great undefined term.

When you make peppermint tea, you are making a selective extract, not a

"whole plant" extract, since the most active compounds in mints are not very

soluble in water; they are much more soluble in alcohol, for instance.  Just

because you put the "whole plant" into the hot water does not mean you have

a "whole plant" extract!  Every plant contains some constituents that are

more soluble in polar solvents and some that are only soluble in non-polar

solvents, and of course the relative polarity of solvents varies

tremendously.  If you want to ensure extraction of the maximum potential of

an herb, you have to know the properties of the compounds you want and use

the appropriate means of extraction.  On a home scale, these means might

include water, ethyl alcohol of various strengths, vinegar, vegetable oils,

etc., and processes like long maceration, grinding, blending in a blender or

food processor, boiling, steeping, etc., each of which will extract

different components from the herb.  And the compounds extracted will also

depend to a great extent on whether the herb was dried before extraction.

What I am trying to say is that there really is no such thing as a "whole

plant extract"; there can't possibly be, since different compounds dissolve

in different solvents.  And of course the "whole plant" also contains

roughage (lignans, cellulose, etc.), which we all know is important, and is

intentionally left behind by extraction.



>On the other hand, standardized extracts deliver a consistent, repeatable,

known

>amount of ingredient, and for some herbs, it is the most practical way to

get

>enough for a medicinal dose. I've noticed that some standardized herbal

products

>also use the whole plant rather than inert fillers.





If you are using an herb for a medical condition, I would assume you would

like some assurance that what you are taking actually has the expected

activity.  Whole herbs, and especially powdered herbs, loose strength

rapidly through oxidation, evaporation, and other chemical changes.

Standardized herbs and extracts are really the only way to be sure you are

getting anything for your money and efforts.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: Standardized Extracts or Not???

From: "Moreno Polloni" <unspammable@istar.ca>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:52:18 GMT

--------



Richard Ogden wrote in message <6rcat5$li4@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

>Moreno Polloni wrote in message ...

>>Standardized extracts contain a specific concentration of what is

>*believed* to

>>be the active ingredient, in consistent and repeatable amounts.

>

>Standardized extracts use one or more compounds as "marker" compounds,

>indicative of overall activity.  This does not mean they assume that only

>one compound is responsible for the activity of the whole herb, merely that

>there is some assurance that the herb has *some* activity.  Given the

>well-established fact that herbs can vary tremendously in strength depending

>on a wide variety of environmental factors and post-harvest treatment,

>establishing an estimate of potency assures the consumer they are not buying

>worthless trash, or OTOH possibly overdosing.

>

>>Most plants have

>>thousands of chemical components, and they may or may not be active.  These

>>chemicals may buffer or regulate the activity of the more active

>ingredients, in

>>ways we just don't know yet. Some would say that when you take apart a

>plant and

>>concentrate individual components, you are ignoring the holistic view of

>>herbalism, the concept of interaction between the parts, and you end up

>with a

>>drug.

>

>Possibly, but this is NOT what standardized extracts do.  Ordinarily

>standardized extracts are not much different from tinctures except that the

>potency is guaranteed.

>

>>The manufacture of standardized extracts usually involves the use of

>>environmentally unfriendly harsh chemicals such as benzene, acetone, butyl

>>alcohol, methyl alcohol, or carbon tetrachloride, which may not always be

>>completely removed from the final product.

>

>

>I would be interested to know where you get your information about

>"usually".  The majority of extracts I am familiar with do not make use of

>the solvents you name, and many are no more than freeze-dried aqueous

>extracts.  Of course, it helps to educate yourself and be comfortable with

>the companies which make the products you use.

>

>As far as "whole plant" extracts go, there is another great undefined term.

>When you make peppermint tea, you are making a selective extract, not a

>"whole plant" extract, since the most active compounds in mints are not very

>soluble in water; they are much more soluble in alcohol, for instance.  Just

>because you put the "whole plant" into the hot water does not mean you have

>a "whole plant" extract!  Every plant contains some constituents that are

>more soluble in polar solvents and some that are only soluble in non-polar

>solvents, and of course the relative polarity of solvents varies

>tremendously.  If you want to ensure extraction of the maximum potential of

>an herb, you have to know the properties of the compounds you want and use

>the appropriate means of extraction.  On a home scale, these means might

>include water, ethyl alcohol of various strengths, vinegar, vegetable oils,

>etc., and processes like long maceration, grinding, blending in a blender or

>food processor, boiling, steeping, etc., each of which will extract

>different components from the herb.  And the compounds extracted will also

>depend to a great extent on whether the herb was dried before extraction.

>What I am trying to say is that there really is no such thing as a "whole

>plant extract"; there can't possibly be, since different compounds dissolve

>in different solvents.  And of course the "whole plant" also contains

>roughage (lignans, cellulose, etc.), which we all know is important, and is

>intentionally left behind by extraction.

>

>>On the other hand, standardized extracts deliver a consistent, repeatable,

>known

>>amount of ingredient, and for some herbs, it is the most practical way to

>get

>>enough for a medicinal dose. I've noticed that some standardized herbal

>products

>>also use the whole plant rather than inert fillers.

>

>

>If you are using an herb for a medical condition, I would assume you would

>like some assurance that what you are taking actually has the expected

>activity.  Whole herbs, and especially powdered herbs, loose strength

>rapidly through oxidation, evaporation, and other chemical changes.

>Standardized herbs and extracts are really the only way to be sure you are

>getting anything for your money and efforts.

>

>-Rich

>





Some good points. I don't know if any one form is ultimately better than any

other. This topic will likely be debated for some time to come. I generally

prefer whole herbs and alcohol extracts, but will also use standardized extracts

from time to time.

















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Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss/appetite control

From: davew@wizzards.net (williams)

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 98 20:40:27 GMT

--------

On 8/8/98 6:43PM, in message 

<1998080901433300.VAA27848@ladder03.news.aol.com>, LEvans1044 

<levans1044@aol.com> wrote:



> >Hello.

> >     Can anyone recommend any herbs for weight loss or appetite control?

> >

> >                                      Thank you,

> >                                         Lori

> 

> The absolute best herbs/weeds for weight loss are located about a 5 mile walk

> from your frig.

> 

> Belinda



I found that a Ma Haung tincture (available in health food stores) curbed my eating so 

much.







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Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss/appetite control

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 08:11:09 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Janny5 wrote:

> 

> I am an independent distributor for ShapeRite products (www.Shaperite.com).

> Depending on how much weight you would like to lose - either their

> ShapeFastPlus (for up to 20lbs) or Tri-LitePlus (20+lbs).  I would highly

> recommend doing a colon cleanse first - FiberSystemPlus - to cleans 

Colon cleansing is not _always_ the answer. It's best to visit the

doctor (naturopath or otherwise) to assess the problem beforehand. Your

recommendation smacks me as another money making gimmick.



>I am now wearing my old size 10 jeans again (14's

> were previously tight on me).  Moreover I have this abundance of energy and

> feel just great.  I have renewed vigor for all that I handle.



You left out the part about your colon being strong enough to replace

automatic softball pitching machines. Forget calling you, post your

claims here so we can discuss them with you, and avoid potentially

misleading someone into wasting their money on another 'lose weight

quick' scheme.



-Val

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Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss/appetite control

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:05:47 GMT

--------

Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



Val - 

  You owe me a keyboard!  I was reading what looked like a normal

answer and then this phrase ...



>You left out the part about your colon being strong enough to replace

>automatic softball pitching machines. 



.... danf=g near dropped my caffeine solution.





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Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss/appetite control

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:04:05 GMT

--------

janny5@aol.com (Janny5) wrote:



  Janny - read your TOS from AOL.  They prohibit using newsgroups

for advertising unless the newsgroup's charter permits it.  And

this is NOT alt.herbalremedies.forsale it is alt.folklore.herbs

and we discuss herbs. 

  So ... what herbs are in this snake-oil you are selling?  Give

us the ingredients and enlighten us.



>I am an independent distributor for ShapeRite products (www.Shaperite.com). 

  Yet another victim of weight-loss marketing trying to recoup

her losses by suckering in the rest of us.  No thanks



>Depending on how much weight you would like to lose - either their

>ShapeFastPlus (for up to 20lbs) or Tri-LitePlus (20+lbs).  I would highly

>recommend doing a colon cleanse first - FiberSystemPlus - to cleans the colon

>and prepare ir to accept food and nutrients more readily.  You can call me at

>(408) 255-2522 (after 6pm California time) for more info.  

  When will you people realize that the colon is self-cleansing -

it has a automatically renewed lining, and one-way flow aided by

muscular contractions. If you want, a couple cans of pineapple

will act like a scouring pad on your innards. (don't eat that

much fresh pinapple, it has an enzyme in it that can actually EAT

the lining of your intestines)

  Or, add oats, oat bran, rice, or other whole grains to your

diet.  Even pinto beans will do.

  Walking stimulates intestinal function ... so walk and skip the

enemas.



>Using first the FiberSystemPlus then Tri-Lite I have lost around 12lbs in 6

>weeks, and have lost inches.  

  Using a really cheap herb -regular coffee- I have lost the same

amount of weight in the same amount of time.  My experiment with

decaf ended when I realized that I was not feeling as good as had

been promised.  A life-long habit (I started when I was 3!) is

hard to break.



>I am now wearing my old size 10 jeans again (14's

>were previously tight on me).  Moreover I have this abundance of energy and

>feel just great.  I have renewed vigor for all that I handle.

  Most of us can feel that way all the time by eating a balanced

diet, getting moderate exercise, and sleeping 7-10 hours a night.

So what's in your magic beans that can't be obtained with

moderate living? 





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Subject: Re: herbs for weight loss/appetite control

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:45:38 GMT

--------

In article <1998080821312200.RAA22341@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

  moron345@aol.com (Moron345) wrote:

> Hello.

>      Can anyone recommend any herbs for weight loss or appetite control?

>

>                                       Thank you,

>                                          Lori

> Earth, Air, Fire, Water, bind us to Her.

>



Okay, okay I know it's not technically an herb, but the root of blue flag

(Iris) is good for that. The best way to take it would be to eat the root,

either whole or in powdered form (get it whole and grind it yourself if

possible, or have your herbalist do it for you).  This root contains a

substance which has been named "iridine" (after "iris") that increases the

rate of fat breakdown specifically.



If you need more information you can write me at bentl3y@hotmail.com



bentley



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Subject: NatirBase Pro - Review, sort of

From: brandy@kamikaze.xxx (Brandy Alexandre)

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 98 21:16:23 GMT

--------

I caught this in the FAQ in Dejanews and I just HAD to comment on NaturBase 

Pro.



I purchased this about 3 months ago.  The interface is gawky and 

ugly--decidedly amateurish--yet the information contained in the database is 

very good.



It's MAJOR flaw is that should you ever have to reinstall it you have to 

request ANOTHER registration code from the company.  Every single time.  When 

you buy software from professionals you only have to communicate with them 

once.  When I complained about this to them they said they would be happy to 

send a new code whenever I needed one.  Well, what about when they go out of 

business?  What will happen then?  There's no way this company will stay in 

business for long



The CD looks home burned, you can see the black CD label on the disk beneath 

the low-quality inkjet label placed over it.  I'm thoroughly disappointed with 



it now (haven't been able to use it for the last few weeks because of our 

email spat.  They won't send a code).  I have enlisted the aid of a cracker to 



do away with the stupid time/registration nag.



Run.  Run for your LIFE away from this program.



Brandy Alexandre

http://kamikaze.org

Change "xxx" to "org" to send e-mail.





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Subject: Best Herbs to Travel With

From: Deiram@usa.net

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 21:21:07 GMT

--------

Hi, I'm looking for some recommendations on the best herbs to take with me to

India. I'm leaving in the fall, gone for 3 weeks. I've heard of colloidial

silver, raw pumpkin seeds and dried cranberries for use against intestinal

parasites; Lavendar essential oil for use as an anti-microbial wash for

bathing. Has anyone had experience with any of these or others? (Yes, I am

going to conventional travel clinic for the standard shots before going.)



Thanks - Deiram



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Subject: Re: Best Herbs to Travel With

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 00:46:38 GMT

--------

>Hi, I'm looking for some recommendations on the best herbs to take with me to

>India. I'm leaving in the fall, gone for 3 weeks. I've heard of colloidial

>silver, raw pumpkin seeds and dried cranberries for use against intestinal

>parasites; Lavendar essential oil for use as an anti-microbial wash for

>bathing. Has anyone had experience with any of these or others? (Yes, I am

>going to conventional travel clinic for the standard shots before going.)

>

>Thanks - Deiram



Wormwood tincture, one drop in anything you drink up to about 8-10 drops a day

at most.



Belinda







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Subject: Re: Best Herbs to Travel With

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:35:07 GMT

--------

Deiram@usa.net wrote:



>Hi, I'm looking for some recommendations on the best herbs to take with me to

>India. I'm leaving in the fall, gone for 3 weeks.



How about "when in India, do as the Indians..." ;).  I would

take along turmeric powder and fennel seeds to use 

for any untoward  symptoms, and take 

triphala at least once per day for maintenance  Capsule or powder

triphala is available at many herb shops.  Grapefruit extract is

helpful to treat potentially contaminated water, plus can be diluted

and taken internally for infections or used externally.  Now brand

makes the best citricidal type I have seen for the money.



turf







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Subject: Re: Best Herbs to Travel With

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:32:18 GMT

--------

I'd take a bottle of absinthe elixir (or make one once there), I find it's

good to have when travelling and exposing yrself to unfamiliar bacteria from

water, food, air, etc.	be careful with it though, it can be dangerou if used

foolishly. If you're not sure how to use it, contact me at my email address.



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Subject: Re: Best Herbs to Travel With

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:32:27 GMT

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>I'd take a bottle of absinthe elixir 



Is wormwood legal in all countries?



turf







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Subject: Re: Best Herbs to Travel With

From: jensummers@aol.com (JenSummers)

Date: 14 Aug 1998 03:11:22 GMT

--------

I will always travel with rose absolute.  It smells soooo nice and calms my

nerves when jangled from snarled traffic.  

Jennifer Summers







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Subject: Re: Best Herbs to Travel With

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:56:19 -0700

--------

I would start taking a goldenseal/echinacea blend now to buld my immune

sytem, and then I would continue to at least take the golden seal to free

the body from impurities

Deiram@usa.net wrote in message <6ql3s2$fr3$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>Hi, I'm looking for some recommendations on the best herbs to take with me

to

>India. I'm leaving in the fall, gone for 3 weeks. I've heard of colloidial

>silver, raw pumpkin seeds and dried cranberries for use against intestinal

>parasites; Lavendar essential oil for use as an anti-microbial wash for

>bathing. Has anyone had experience with any of these or others? (Yes, I am

>going to conventional travel clinic for the standard shots before going.)

>

>Thanks - Deiram

>

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Subject: Graying hair is not natural

From: farmerdean@my-dejanews.com

Date: Sun, 09 Aug 1998 23:10:16 GMT

--------

There is a great misconception being generated that graying hair is a natural

part of the aging process. It is not true. Graying hair is a sign of certain

nutrients are missing. If these nutrients are added back (by being massaged

into the hair and scalp every day) the hair will turn back to the natural

color over a period of time. Is there anyone who would like to discuss this?

>I would not blame you for being skeptical both of the idea and the possibility of a scam. I assure you that this is no scam and the idea has been well known  in certain herbalist circles for a long time. The nutrients are in herbs such as Yarrow. I am personally using a hair tonic and conditioner that I made using all natural herbs and my hair is gradually changing back from gray to its natural brown. It does not happen over night however. After about 2 months of using the product I started to see a difference. I maintain that since this works, it shows (by example) that the natural color of the hair is "natural" and that graying is reversable when the nutrients are available.





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Subject: Re: Graying hair is not natural

From: Deb <deb@mt.jeff.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:02:55 GMT

--------





farmerdean@my-dejanews.com wrote:



> There is a great misconception being generated that graying hair is a natural

> part of the aging process. It is not true. Graying hair is a sign of certain

> nutrients are missing. If these nutrients are added back (by being massaged

> into the hair and scalp every day) the hair will turn back to the natural

> color over a period of time. Is there anyone who would like to discuss this?



But I !like! my silver head  ;>



Deb





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Subject: Re: Graying hair is not natural

From: a31960@aol.com (A31960)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 16:20:58 GMT

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could you please post which herbs should be used?





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Subject: Re: Graying hair is not natural

From: farmerdean@my-dejanews.com

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:06:23 GMT

--------

In article <1998081016205800.MAA18673@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

  a31960@aol.com (A31960) wrote:

> could you please post which herbs should be used?

>



Since the ingredients are well known in certain herbal circles they are not

secret so I will list them. My formulation contains Yarrow, olive oil and

beeswax. I started using it as a conditioner (like VO5) with the hope that it

would make a  difference for the graying hair also. I was starting to doubt

it myself, but after two  months I could clearly see a difference. If you

want to try it but do not want to go to the trouble of making it, check my

web site at  http://www.stockwellfarms.com



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Subject: Re: Graying hair is not natural

From: farmerdean@my-dejanews.com

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:14:02 GMT

--------

In article <6qnko3$p49$1@nnrp1.snfc21.pbi.net>,

  "Hock" <sheepdog@pacbell.net> wrote:

> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

> sounds too good

>

>



I agree. It does sound too good. I would hardly believe it myself if it was

not for the fact that I can see it working on my own hair. It does work! I

had heard about it, but seeing is believing, and now I believe. FarmerDean

FarmerDDean@aol.com http://www.stockwellfarms.com



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Subject: Re: Graying hair is not natural

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:52:53 GMT

--------

In article <1998081016205800.MAA18673@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

  a31960@aol.com (A31960) wrote:

> could you please post which herbs should be used?

>



Smartweed root taken as a tincture or elixir over a long period of time

(three months to a year) will restore hair to its original color. Old roots

work much better. Ho shu wo is a chinese version of smartweed, i believe, and

is used the same way in some asian traditions of medicine.



If you need more information you can write me at bentl3y@hotmail.com



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Subject: Re: Need Help for Rhemotoid Arthirits

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 00:45:07 GMT

--------

>My husband was just diagnosed with rheumitoid arthritis and he just turned

>36!!



Not sure what the different arthritis' are but I do have a friend who has

arthritis in and swears by Jewel Weed juice. It makes her mobile enough to keep

up with the goats in the woods, garden, etc.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Need Help for Rhemotoid Arthirits

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:48:09 GMT

--------



>>My husband was just diagnosed with rheumitoid arthritis and he just turned

>>36!!

  On the morning news, and on the MSNBC health news page - NEW

DRUG that blocks the rheumatoid process at the top of the chain

of events that leads to the pain and joint damage.

  It keeps the T-cells from running beserk, so the inflammation,

tissue damage and joint destruction won't happen.  This is

pin-point therapy, not a shotgun approach like prednisone and

methotrexate.





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Subject: Re: Need Help for Rhemotoid Arthirits

From: Michael Bailes <frgntgar@ozemail.com.au>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:42:14 +1000

--------

HealingPgs wrote:

> 

> <<My husband was just diagnosed with rheumitoid arthritis and he just turned

> 36!! The predinisone he is on is making him have mood swings and anxeity..>>

> 

There are a number of herbs that can help.

Sometimes diets are successfull for some people.

I think there is a some information on Herbs for pain on our website

that might help

He needs agood alternative practitioner that can help him beat this.

He should NOT take prednisone on along term basis.

It should only be used short term

do not let the quacks leave him on it long term

Michael Bailes. 

Herbarist

************************************************************

The Fragrant Garden, Portsmouth Road, Erina. N.S.W. 2250 Australia. (OZ)

 International fax 61 243 651979 &  Phone 61 243 677322

bookshop, nursery, media, school, garden, medical herbalist, cafe,

herbal products, gift gallery, insanity.EMAIL: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

  Web page at: http://www.fragrantgarden.com.au/

************************************************************

Newsletter 16 now available from website.

Contents

Magical Herbs  Wood Betony

Quassia for nits , pests, possums and appetite

Olives  growing and preserving

The Menagerie





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Subject: Re: Need Help for Rhemotoid Arthirits

From: "Deb" <thomasclan@earthlink.net>

Date: 12 Aug 1998 22:29:39 GMT

--------

My mother was on prednisone for almost 20 years for rheumitoid arthritis,

and you wouldn't believe the toll it took on her poor body and mind before

she died. It weakens the tissues of vital organs, it weakened her skin to

the fragility of tissue paper, it made her paranoid and suspicious of those

who loved her. I don't know what other solutions there are out there, but

in hindsight, please, please investigate natural methods. Her doctor was

not a quack, but a fine doctor...but most fine doctors do not know much

about alternative medicines. Some do...search for one. Help him eat a good

diet, stay free of toxins and allergens, keep his stress down and keep an

open mind about natural remedies. Tell  him to try to stay fit...don't

exercise a swollen, inflamed joint...but when he can...exercise and keep

the weight down. I pray

you will find the right regimen for him.



Arkansas Deb



Michael Bailes <frgntgar@ozemail.com.au> wrote in article

<35CF30F6.5AA0@ozemail.com.au>...

> HealingPgs wrote:

> > 

> > <<My husband was just diagnosed with rheumitoid arthritis and he just

turned

> > 36!! The predinisone he is on is making him have mood swings and

anxeity..>>

> > 

> There are a number of herbs that can help.

> Sometimes diets are successfull for some people.

> I think there is a some information on Herbs for pain on our website

> that might help

> He needs agood alternative practitioner that can help him beat this.

> He should NOT take prednisone on along term basis.

> It should only be used short term

> do not let the quacks leave him on it long term

> Michael Bailes. 

> Herbarist

> ************************************************************

> The Fragrant Garden, Portsmouth Road, Erina. N.S.W. 2250 Australia. (OZ)

>  International fax 61 243 651979 &  Phone 61 243 677322

> bookshop, nursery, media, school, garden, medical herbalist, cafe,

> herbal products, gift gallery, insanity.EMAIL: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

>   Web page at: http://www.fragrantgarden.com.au/

> ************************************************************

> Newsletter 16 now available from website.

> Contents

> Magical Herbs  Wood Betony

> Quassia for nits , pests, possums and appetite

> Olives  growing and preserving

> The Menagerie

> 





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Subject: Tinea Versicolor

From: "Hiawatha Battle" <battleh@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 9 Aug 1998 22:58:21 -0400

--------

My wife has suffered from tinea versicolor for about 20 years.  She has

taken several different prescription medications to no avail.  Does anyone

know of any herbs or natural solutions to this?



Thanks in advance for your help.



Hiawatha Battle









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Subject: Re: Hard to wake up early!!!

From: jensummers@aol.com (JenSummers)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 03:18:59 GMT

--------

In article <35d04113.2478765@n3.idirect.com>, mez@idirect.com (Bob Mez) writes:



>	Is there any herb I can take which will decrease my need for

>sleep, or, more specifically, something that will make it easier for

>me to jump out of bed in the morning?



When I have to be at work extra early, I take Kava Kava and it makes me feel

like I've slept 8 hours when I've only slept 4 or 5.  I don't take it every

night and only on those nights were I need to get up early the next day.  



You may want to read an article in Reader's Digest about how each person's body

temperature determines how early they rise without sleepiness.  For instance,

if your body temperature starts to rise around 4 am you will be ready to get up

then.  The issue was several years ago but if you did a search at your local

library you may be able to find it.  The article stated that you could adjust

your body temperature by having an automatic theremostat in your room to begin

heating it up at a specified time and other methods.

Jennifer Summers







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Subject: Re: Hard to wake up early!!!

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 13:49:07 GMT

--------

mez@idirect.com (Bob Mez) wrote:



>	Is there any herb I can take which will decrease my need for

>sleep, or, more specifically, something that will make it easier for

>me to jump out of bed in the morning?



  Go to bed earlier.  It's being recognized that the human body

NEEDS 7-10 hours of sleep for optimum functioning.





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Subject: Re: Hard to wake up early!!!

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:52:16 -0700

--------

I often take metabolift.  You can get it at your local health food store.

It raises your metabolism.

Bob Mez wrote in message <35d04113.2478765@n3.idirect.com>...

> Is there any herb I can take which will decrease my need for

>sleep, or, more specifically, something that will make it easier for

>me to jump out of bed in the morning?









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Subject: Re: Fleas are winning !!

From: janny5@aol.com (Janny5)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 07:05:50 GMT

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Orange Peel in the animal's bedding, and in  places where they usually sleep

around the house.  Fleas will die - big time.







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Subject: UK&EU: Salvia divinorum plants FS

From: Freddie <freddie@nym.lycaeum.org>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 03:58:37 -0700

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Available NOW!

Small established Salvia divinorum plants.



25 pounds sterling each - discounts for three or more.

Shipping: single plant - 5 pounds

          two plants   - 8 pounds

          three+       - ask



Shipping to UK & EU states only. Phytosanitary certificates

are not available for export to other countries.





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To: fluteplayer@my-dejanews.com

Subject: Re: Help for hormone imbalance

From: Crystal <crslmoon@gte.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 09:20:27 -0400

--------

> <<Does anyone know the correct way to determine the date of ovulation?>>



Well ovulation can be determined in many different ways. You can observe your

cervical mucus, use a basal body thermometer, check for cervical position, and/or

use an ovulation predictor kit.  If you are interested in more about these email

me and I will give more detailed.  I don't really have time right now that's why

I didn't type them out :o).



> << Can anyone tell me what herbs to try and when?  I'd also like to stabilize

> my cycle. >>



First of all I need to know more about your cycle.  Are they irregular, short,

long, etc.?



take care,

Crystal







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Subject: Re: Help for hormone imbalance

From: Thomas McClung <chip@mcclung.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:07:51 -0400

--------

There are alot of alternative herbs for regulating your cycle. First you need to

find out if it is hormones. Check with your health practioner and get a

diagnosis.

Cathy



fluteplayer@my-dejanews.com wrote:



> Merry Meet,

>

> Ten years ago I was incorrectly diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis in my

> knees.  After many tests, they now realize they misdiagnosed the problem but

> still cannot figure out the problem.  They refuse to listen to me when I say

> I think it's linked to my menstrual cycle and the weather.  I should know; I

> have lived with it for ten years!  Anyway, I was wondering if anyone knows of

> some way I can lessen the swelling to a more livable situation.  Does anyone

> know the correct way to determine the date of ovulation?  Can anyone tell me

> what herbs to try and when?  I'd also like to stabilize my cycle.  Any help

> would be wonderful.

>

> May she always show her blessing.

> Flute Player

>

> --

> Words of Wisdom: A cliche is a previously enjoyed sound bite.

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Subject: Question about St John's Wort

From: s1095772@uottawa.ca (Sal Crisanti)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 15:19:07 GMT

--------

I have a question about St. John's Wort. I have heard that it has been

traditionally used to relieve mild depression, stress and sleeplessness

due to nervousness. I have just been taking it in small doses, one tablet

a day (500 mg).  The bottle says take two tablets 2-4 times a day. But it

also says may cause drowsiness and for occasional use.

Can you do this permanently, like taking a vitamin, or is it just supposed

to be used occasionally.





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Subject: Re: Question about St John's Wort

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:46:14 -0700

--------

This should only be done occasionally for several weeks at a time.  Take St

John's Wort just like you would an antidepressant.  Doctors in my area are

now prescribing it for long term usage, but I personally do not feel

comfortable with it.

Sal Crisanti wrote in message ...

>I have a question about St. John's Wort. I have heard that it has been

>traditionally used to relieve mild depression, stress and sleeplessness

>due to nervousness. I have just been taking it in small doses, one tablet

>a day (500 mg).  The bottle says take two tablets 2-4 times a day. But it

>also says may cause drowsiness and for occasional use.

>Can you do this permanently, like taking a vitamin, or is it just supposed

>to be used occasionally.









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Subject: Re: Question about St John's Wort

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:43:37 GMT

--------

Suze.Hammond@hubert.rain.com (Suze Hammond) wrote:



> -=> s1095772@uottawa.ca Quoth unto All <=- 

>

> s1> I have a question about St. John's Wort. I have heard that it has been

> s1> traditionally used to relieve mild depression, stress and

> s1> sleeplessness due to nervousness. I have just been taking it in small

> s1> doses, one tablet a day (500 mg).  The bottle says take two tablets 2-4

> s1> times a day. But it also says may cause drowsiness and for occasional

> s1> use.

    Is there anything else mixed with the SJW?  I have not

noticed that it causes drowsiness, and don't find that listed as

a symptom that it relieves in any of my references.  And as for

occasional use, you have to take it for 2-4 weeks straight before

it's anti-depressant effects kick in .... 

   What's the brand on the bottle, and an ingredient list.







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Subject: hairloss..

From: "dinkmeister" <dink@spam.sucks.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 98 18:21:20

--------

Hi, I heard that fo-ti (he shou wu) was good for hairloss..

Is this true?  I heard it blocks the DHT "alpha-5" hormone just like

that Propecia stuff..  What is the dosage?



thanks











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Subject: Article on Essiac Tea...

From: "Kim Cole" <kcole@coleconsulting.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:26:09 GMT

--------

I'm currently doing research for an article on Essiac tea as a form of

cancer therapy/treatment.  I have access to all the Internet websites, what

I need now are comments (pro/con), testimonials,

personal experience, etc.  Thanks for the help...











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Subject: Magickal herb book?

From: raven44dd@aol.com (Raven44DD)

Date: 10 Aug 1998 17:14:14 GMT

--------





     Do you have any recommendations for a very good and easy to read and

understand Magickal Herb book?  Thank you ahead of time for all of your help.



  

     Mistress Raven

          It is as it should be





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To: Raven44DD <raven44dd@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Magickal herb book?

From: Michael Bailes <frgntgar@ozemail.com.au>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 03:35:25 +1000

--------

Raven44DD wrote:

> 

>      Do you have any recommendations for a very good and easy to read and

> understand Magickal Herb book?  Thank you ahead of time for all of your help.

> 

> 

>      Mistress Raven

>           It is as it should be



Cunningham is excellent he has had? a number of books published by

LLwellyn who publish anumber of herbal/ magical books. Encyclopedia of

Magical herbs is agood start

Michael Bailes. 

Herbarist

************************************************************

The Fragrant Garden, Portsmouth Road, Erina. N.S.W. 2250 Australia. (OZ)

 International fax 61 243 651979 &  Phone 61 243 677322

bookshop, nursery, media, school, garden, medical herbalist, cafe,

herbal products, gift gallery, insanity.EMAIL: frgntgar@ozemail.com.au

  Web page at: http://www.fragrantgarden.com.au/

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Contents

Magical Herbs  Wood Betony

Quassia for nits , pests, possums and appetite

Olives  growing and preserving

The Menagerie





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Subject: Re: Magickal herb book?

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:09:01 GMT

--------

In article <35CF2F5D.122@ozemail.com.au>,

  frgntgar@ozemail.com.au wrote:

> Raven44DD wrote:

> >

> >      Do you have any recommendations for a very good and easy to read and

> > understand Magickal Herb book?  Thank you ahead of time for all of your

help.

> >

> >

> >      Mistress Raven

> >           It is as it should be

>

> Cunningham is excellent he has had? a number of books published by

> LLwellyn who publish anumber of herbal/ magical books. Encyclopedia of

> Magical herbs is agood start

> Michael Bailes.

> Herbarist



The only problem I had with that book is that it appears to be written by

someone who has no idea about what he's writing on. Many of the properties he

attributes to plants are contrary to the way the plants work in real life,

and a few were even ridiculous (to one plant he attributes the property of

being able to shatter iron chains at the slightest touch!).  Also, sometimes

the pictures don't go with the plants, which is probably not cunningham's

fault. Although I enjoyed some of his other books, I strongly disrecommend

this one. Better off just getting a Peterson's field guide and spending some

time out in the field with the plants you're interested in



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Subject: Re: Magickal herb book?

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 13 Aug 1998 19:23:38 GMT

--------

Were talking about folklore -- of course some things will be contrary to how an

herb works chemically etc. - and as for shattering metal well its an

interesting tidbit of info and related as history not as fact.



a field guide will give you info on what an herb looks for but as far as magick

goes, its not going ot really help much





However my favorite book that covers herbalism inboth magickal and medicinal

lights is



the master book of herbalism  by Paul beryl



I like Cunningham but i feel that mr beryl give a more complete look at each

herb







Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







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Subject: Re: Magickal herb book?

From: BrownThumb <brownthumb@REMOVETHISGrrAttitude.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:24:54 -0700

--------

I strongly recommend _Healing_ _Wise_, a Wise Woman Herbal,

by Susun S. Weed.



> > Raven44DD wrote:

> > >

> > >      Do you have any recommendations for a very good and easy to read and

> > > understand Magickal Herb book?  Thank you ahead of time for all of your

> help.



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what is right and true.         --me--  (Jan Parcel)





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To: BrownThumb <brownthumb@REMOVETHISGrrAttitude.com>

Subject: Re: Magickal herb book?

From: "Pamela Love, Owner" <pam@soapcrafters.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:11:44 +0000

--------

Damn near anything by Scott Cunningham.

Blessed Be

Pam

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Soap Making Instructions, Email Chat & ICQ Chat

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BrownThumb wrote:

> 

> I strongly recommend _Healing_ _Wise_, a Wise Woman Herbal,

> by Susun S. Weed.

> 

> > > Raven44DD wrote:

> > > >

> > > >      Do you have any recommendations for a very good and easy to read and

> > > > understand Magickal Herb book?  Thank you ahead of time for all of your

> > help.

> 

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

> 

> We are honor-bound to follow our best, most honest, humble, guess about

> what is right and true.         --me--  (Jan Parcel)





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Subject: Re: Magickal herb book?

From: "William & Kimberly Jarvis" <WmJarvis@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 13:46:18 -0700

--------

I have this one also and it's wonderful.  I also use Scott Cunningham's

ENCYCLOPEDIA OF MAGICAL HERBS.













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Subject: Re: Magickal herb book?

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 12:44:03 -0700

--------

Scott Cunningham has several out that I have found very useful.  One is

Magical Aromatherapy----It lists the magical properties of many scents.

Another is the encyclopedia of magical herbs----It lists the properties of a

bunch of herbs.



Another is the complete book of incense, oils, and brews.---It has several

formulas and uses for the above.

 and the last is:  Magical Herbalism-It lists some methods for the use of

magical herbs



Scott Cunningham was a wiccan so these books follow along that path, but I

have found that they are also very similar to the Native American way of

life, Of course what can you say?  Truth is Truth

Raven44DD wrote in message

<1998081017141400.NAA02508@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>

>

>     Do you have any recommendations for a very good and easy to read and

>understand Magickal Herb book?  Thank you ahead of time for all of your

help.

>

>

>     Mistress Raven

>          It is as it should be









==========

Subject: Re: Magickal herb book?

From: mugwert@ime.net (Cat Tambling & Jim Buttitta)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 23:41:51 GMT

--------

Raven44DD <raven44dd@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998081017141400.NAA02508@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> 

> 

>      Do you have any recommendations for a very good and easy to read and

> understand Magickal Herb book?  Thank you ahead of time for all of your

>help.

> 

>   

>      Mistress Raven

>           It is as it should be

>

Raven,



I recommend Wylundt's Book of Incense published by Samuel Weiser Inc.

ISBN 0-87728-869-0



Making incense is an excellent way to use herbs magickally.  This book

will get you going in the art.



Bright Blessings



Jim

mugwert@ime.net





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Subject: Herb Mystery Books

From: "Lynette Tinnel" <ltinnel@cyberramp.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:14:08 -0500

--------

Does anyone know of any mystery books written from an herbalist point of

view?









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Subject: Re: Herb Mystery Books

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 11 Aug 1998 16:57:02 GMT

--------

<<Does anyone know of any mystery books written from an herbalist point of

view?>>



The Cadfael mysteries by Ellis Peters. Peters used English herbals, primarily

Culpeper, to form the lore of her monk-herbalist. Great if you love Middle Ages

history as well as herbs. There's been at least one herbal book published based

on Cadfael, too.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: Herb Mystery Books

From: johnna@interchg.ubc.ca (Miranda's Magic)

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:12:15 GMT

--------

On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 14:14:08 -0500, "Lynette Tinnel"

<ltinnel@cyberramp.net> wrote:

>Does anyone know of any mystery books written from an herbalist point of

>view?



There are a few series that you could check out.  Ellis Peters put out

20 or so books in the Brother Cadfael series.  Brother Cadfael is an

herbalist/healer in a monastery in, I believe, 12thC England.  Many of

his clues come from his knowledge of plants.  You may have seen the

PBS tv-movies series based on the books, which are both quite well

done. Susan Wittig Albert puts out the China Bayles series in which

the protagonist is an ex-lawyer who has given up the law to run a

small herb shop in present-day Texas.  Her questioning legal mind

leads her into mysteries that don't seem at first like mysteries to

the police. There are lots of herb references in the books and the

titles reflect the herbalist leanings.  They aren't tightly woven

plots, nor are they complicated (you may figure out whodunnit and why

fairly early on) but they are an enjoyable read for a boring

afternoon.  I especially liked the detailed herbal references which

pop up quite frequently.  You might also give Judith Cook's _Death of

a Lady's Maid_ a try.  I don't know if this is part of a series or a

single attempt.  The protagonist is Simon Forman "Elizabethan doctor,

horoscope caster and solver of mysteries".  He treats his patients

with herbal remedies which are explained to the reader.  Again, you

may figure out whodunnit and why fairly early on but will likely enjoy

the book anyway.  



You may try asking your question over at rec.arts.mysteries     They

may suggest others for you to check out.   





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Subject: Re: The Herb Horsetail

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 19:15:37 GMT

--------





I recently tested low in silicon (amongst other things) and got put on

horsetail herbal tea (also called shave grass I believe).  I thought this

herb was banned in Canada and now I am wondering if there are any

precautions about its use.



Also, I tested low in sodium and this product called celtic sea salt was

recommend.  Anybody have any experience with this?  Thanx!







==========

Subject: Re: The Herb Horsetail

From: "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H." <skip@netins.net>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:38:30 -0500

--------

My experience with horsetail has shown it to be a very safe herb.  The only

precaution that I know of is to be sure and heat it, not to use it raw.

Sounds like by using the tea you don't have to worry about this precaution.

Blessings,

Leslie Adams, M.H.



Marilyn Bachmann wrote in message <35CF43FD.91CC2D5D@InternetMCI.com>...

>

>

>I recently tested low in silicon (amongst other things) and got put on

>horsetail herbal tea (also called shave grass I believe).  I thought this

>herb was banned in Canada and now I am wondering if there are any

>precautions about its use.

>

>Also, I tested low in sodium and this product called celtic sea salt was

>recommend.  Anybody have any experience with this?  Thanx!

>









==========

Subject: Re: The Herb Horsetail

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 17:24:27 GMT

--------

Leslie;

What compound does horsetail have that makes it unsafe to use it raw?

I would like to know because I have been taking raw horsetail herb

powder for years.

Thanks;

Paul

On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:38:30 -0500, "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H."

<skip@netins.net> wrote:



>My experience with horsetail has shown it to be a very safe herb.  The only

>precaution that I know of is to be sure and heat it, not to use it raw.

>Sounds like by using the tea you don't have to worry about this precaution.

>Blessings,

>Leslie Adams, M.H.









==========

Subject: Re: The Herb Horsetail

From: "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H." <skip@netins.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:49:56 -0500

--------

This summer I attended a lecture given by Christopher Hobbs called Advanced

Herbal Chemistry.  He gave the warning about using horsetail only after

heated.  I remember it was because it could tend to leach out a certain B

vitamin.  I referred to my notes in hopes that they would contain more  than

my memory, but not this time.  Sorry this is all the info I can provide

right now.

Leslie

PTM wrote in message <35d17dee.9573275@netnews.msn.com>...

>Leslie;

>What compound does horsetail have that makes it unsafe to use it raw?

>I would like to know because I have been taking raw horsetail herb

>powder for years.

>Thanks;

>Paul

>On Mon, 10 Aug 1998 15:38:30 -0500, "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H."

><skip@netins.net> wrote:

>

>>My experience with horsetail has shown it to be a very safe herb.  The

only

>>precaution that I know of is to be sure and heat it, not to use it raw.

>>Sounds like by using the tea you don't have to worry about this

precaution.

>>Blessings,

>>Leslie Adams, M.H.

>

>









==========

Subject: Re: The Herb Horsetail

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 21:58:44 GMT

--------

Leslie;

Thanks for the information. I was concerned that there might be a poison

or alkaloid present, but losing a few B vitamins, when I am losing

everything else, isn't a problem.

Thanks again;

Paul

=================

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:49:56 -0500, "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H."

<skip@netins.net> wrote:



>This summer I attended a lecture given by Christopher Hobbs called Advanced

>Herbal Chemistry.  He gave the warning about using horsetail only after

>heated.  I remember it was because it could tend to leach out a certain B

>vitamin.  I referred to my notes in hopes that they would contain more  than

>my memory, but not this time.  Sorry this is all the info I can provide

>right now.

>Leslie

>PTM wrote in message <35d17dee.9573275@netnews.msn.com>...

>>Leslie;

>>What compound does horsetail have that makes it unsafe to use it raw?

>>I would like to know because I have been taking raw horsetail herb

>>powder for years.

>>Thanks;

>>Paul









==========

Subject: Re: The Herb Horsetail

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 12 Aug 1998 01:04:59 GMT

--------

>Leslie;

>Thanks for the information. I was concerned that there might be a poison

>or alkaloid present, but losing a few B vitamins, when I am losing

>everything else, isn't a problem.

>Thanks again;

>Paul



What is wrong with alkaloids?



Belinda





==========

Subject: Re: The Herb Horsetail

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:00:20 GMT

--------

On 12 Aug 1998 01:04:59 GMT, levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>>Thanks for the information. I was concerned that there might be a poison

>>or alkaloid present, but losing a few B vitamins, when I am losing

>>everything else, isn't a problem.

>

>What is wrong with alkaloids?



Do you have to -ask- that? Caffeine, theobromine, nicotine, morphine ... you

don't eat chocolate, do you? ;)



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: The Herb Horsetail

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 13 Aug 1998 02:28:30 GMT

--------



>>What is wrong with alkaloids?

>

>Do you have to -ask- that? Caffeine, theobromine, nicotine, morphine ... you

>don't eat chocolate, do you? ;)

>

>Henriette



Right, all the things that are "medicinal," the things that are extracted when

we put herbs/weeds in alcohol.



Belinda







==========

Subject: Re: The Herb Horsetail

From: "Moreno Polloni" <unspammable@istar.ca>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 05:46:31 GMT

--------



Marilyn Bachmann wrote in message <35CF43FD.91CC2D5D@InternetMCI.com>...

>

>I recently tested low in silicon (amongst other things) and got put on

>horsetail herbal tea (also called shave grass I believe).  I thought this

>herb was banned in Canada and now I am wondering if there are any

>precautions about its use.

>

>Also, I tested low in sodium and this product called celtic sea salt was

>recommend.  Anybody have any experience with this?  Thanx!





I wasn't aware that it was banned. You can buy the herb (Equisetum arvense) in

bulk, or get silica capsules made from the herb at any health food store.









==========

Subject: Re: The Herb Horsetail

From: johnna@interchg.ubc.ca (Miranda's Magic)

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:42:16 GMT

--------



>Marilyn Bachmann wrote in message <35CF43FD.91CC2D5D@InternetMCI.com>...

>>I recently tested low in silicon (amongst other things) and got put on

>>horsetail herbal tea (also called shave grass I believe).  I thought this

>>herb was banned in Canada and now I am wondering if there are any

>>precautions about its use.



If its banned in Canada, no one has let Shopper's Drugmart know!  I

live in Vancouver, BC and purchase Wampole brand Vegetal Silica

(Horsetail) 250mg from Shoppers Drugmart, though I've also seen it

elsewhere for sale.  Its the only thing that has helped my nails

become hard and long (2 capsules per day taken non-stop...when I

stopped for a month and a half the nails began to chip and crack

again).  Its a joy to wear nailpolish again!  I also can buy powdered

horsetails at my local herb store, but since it grows so prolifically

around here I could, if I wanted, harvest my own at will.  I have no

idea what, if any, difference there might be between the freshly made

tea and the capsules I take, but I'll stick with the capsules as being

very easy and extremely effective.  Now if there was only some sign

that its been helping my hair...





==========

Subject: Re: Fibroid Tumours

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 10 Aug 98 16:16:05 EDT

--------

MickyT <mickyt@trumpeter.demon.co.uk>  wrote:

Mi> I have a rare fibrous tumour in my neck that has been described by the

Mi> medical profession as inoperable. Its correct name is Fibromatosis.

Mi> Does anyone out there have any knowledge how to treat this type of

Mi> tumour ? I need all the help I can get at this moment.



    Just some thoughts.  Do you take a high quaility vitamin-mineral

    supplement?    Maybe, such herbs like charrapal (sp?) and red clover

    might help in the situation?



. End  of  message

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]





==========

Subject: Re: Fibroid Tumours

From: kw@hotc.net (Kerry)

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 04:58:35 GMT

--------

I suggest that you purchase the book "The Cure For All Cancers" from a

health food store.  The process described in the book does some

amazing things for your body.  BTW, I am not in any way associated

with the author other than to be amazed at her discovery.  And, yes I

tried the process and now utilize it a great deal.



I know that this is highly controversial.  However, it healed several

skin cancers on myself and we have gotten some positive word of mouth

reports back from other people.  And, boy, does it give you the

energy!



On Sun, 9 Aug 1998 18:31:43 +0100, MickyT

<mickyt@trumpeter.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>I have a rare fibrous tumour in my neck that has been described by the

>medical profession as inoperable. Its correct name is Fibromatosis. Does

>anyone out there have any knowledge how to treat this type of tumour ?

>I need all the help I can get at this moment.

>

>I thank you all now in anticipation of your replies.

>-- 

>MickyT



cya,

kerry



Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep

the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev. 14:12



A prudent man forseeth the evil, and hides himself:

but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 22:3





==========

Subject: Arnica

From: Bill Young <byoung@alaska.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:22:18 GMT

--------

I grow 4 arnica's, A. Montana, A. Latifolia(?), and two only identified

as "short" and "tall". A. mont. came from Nichols Seeds. A. latifolia

came from a local wild flower seed co. and is tall and profuse, and

looks little like the ones I see roadside.  The other 2 came from a

local discount store. I will identify them in time. My question: May

these be used interchangably? Thanks, B.Y. '





==========

Subject: Re: Arnica

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 16:45:45 GMT

--------

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 00:22:18 GMT, Bill Young <byoung@alaska.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>I grow 4 arnica's, A. Montana, A. Latifolia(?), and two only identified

>as "short" and "tall". A. mont. came from Nichols Seeds. A. latifolia

>came from a local wild flower seed co. and is tall and profuse, and

>looks little like the ones I see roadside.  The other 2 came from a

>local discount store. I will identify them in time. My question: May

>these be used interchangably? Thanks, B.Y. '



Yes, as long as they are Arnica species.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Skin Complexion

From: "Kyonn Gowans" <11171977@email.msn.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 20:48:18 -0400

--------

Does anybody know of any herbs or vitamins other than E that will help clear

up a muddy and skin complexion









==========

Subject: Re: Skin Complexion

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:03:37 GMT

--------

"Kyonn Gowans" <11171977@email.msn.com> wrote:

>Does anybody know of any herbs or vitamins other than E that will help clear

>up a muddy and skin complexion



Herbs can't help you until you clean up your lifestyle.

First, stop the stuff that causes the "mud" - 

1.  If you smoke, stop.

2.  If you drink, cut way back or stop.

3.  If you drink soft drinks, stop.

4.  If you like sunbathing, stop.



Then increase the stuff that helps your body eliminate "mud" - 

1.  Drink AT LEAST 8 8-oz glasses of water (plain water, from the

tap or from the water machine) every day.  If you have to, put a

pitcher of water in the refrigerator, squeeze a bit of lemon in

it, but DRINK PLENTY OF WATER.

2. Wear a SPF 15 sunscreen when you go outside.

3. Use one of the exfoliant face lotions regularly, one with

glycolic acid.  Suave makes a good, cheap one or you can hit up

the fancy department stores for one that costs 10x as much and

does the same thing.

4. Use a clay-based face mask (look for bantonite in the

ingredients) regularly.  Again, it doesn't matter which brand,

and the cheap ones are as effective as the expensive ones.

5. Get regular moderate exercise to stimulate blood flow

throughout your body.



And now the pot herbs:

Eat plenty of green leafy ones, preferably fresh: spinach,

romaine, lettuce of all varieties. Eat plenty of yellow, orance

and red ones: squash, tomatoes, beets.



Cut back on your fat intake in favour of complex carbohydrates:

more whole wheat and baked potatoes, fewer french fries and big

Macs.



As for herbs to put ON your face, or to take in capsules - beats

the heck out of me.





==========

Subject: Re: Skin Complexion

From: Bluesman <sax50man@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 11:46:48 -0700

--------





Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:



> "Kyonn Gowans" <11171977@email.msn.com> wrote:

> >Does anybody know of any herbs or vitamins other than E that will help clear

> >up a muddy and skin complexion

>

> Herbs can't help you until you clean up your lifestyle.

> First, stop the stuff that causes the "mud" -

> 1.  If you smoke, stop.

> 2.  If you drink, cut way back or stop.

> 3.  If you drink soft drinks, stop.

> 4.  If you like sunbathing, stop.

>

> Then increase the stuff that helps your body eliminate "mud" -

> 1.  Drink AT LEAST 8 8-oz glasses of water (plain water, from the

> tap or from the water machine) every day.  If you have to, put a

> pitcher of water in the refrigerator, squeeze a bit of lemon in

> it, but DRINK PLENTY OF WATER.

> 2. Wear a SPF 15 sunscreen when you go outside.

> 3. Use one of the exfoliant face lotions regularly, one with

> glycolic acid.  Suave makes a good, cheap one or you can hit up

> the fancy department stores for one that costs 10x as much and

> does the same thing.

> 4. Use a clay-based face mask (look for bantonite in the

> ingredients) regularly.  Again, it doesn't matter which brand,

> and the cheap ones are as effective as the expensive ones.

> 5. Get regular moderate exercise to stimulate blood flow

> throughout your body.

>

> And now the pot herbs:

> Eat plenty of green leafy ones, preferably fresh: spinach,

> romaine, lettuce of all varieties. Eat plenty of yellow, orance

> and red ones: squash, tomatoes, beets.

>

> Cut back on your fat intake in favour of complex carbohydrates:

> more whole wheat and baked potatoes, fewer french fries and big

> Macs.

>

> As for herbs to put ON your face, or to take in capsules - beats

> the heck out of me.



Your solution sounds like something that would work with vitiligo.   Am I correct

in my assumption?







==========

Subject: Re: Love Husband - Hate snoring

From: "MindSpring User" <serenity_h@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 10 Aug 1998 21:17:22 -0500

--------

I had to buy earplugs (soft sponge types) at Walgreens Drug Store, should be

available elsewhere...sure helped me sleep through hubby's snoring!











==========

Subject: Re: Love Husband - Hate snoring

From: pmccabe770@aol.com (PMccabe770)

Date: 11 Aug 1998 17:06:41 GMT

--------

TRY 1 MG. OF MELATONIN for the snorer....at bedtime.





==========

Subject: Re: Love Husband - Hate snoring

From: pete.lamswood@bt.com

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 08:17:37 GMT

--------

In article <1998072821063500.RAA15537@ladder03.news.aol.com>,

  jensummers@aol.com (JenSummers) wrote:

> In article <6pkgvl$jm8$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, darkskies@my-dejanews.com

writes:

>

> >Does anyone know what can be done to curb snoring.  Earplugs aren't much help

> >when the noise is right next to you!

> >



Try "Nozovent" from your Pharmacist, it works like the plasters but is made

from surgical quality plastic and fits inside your nose (lasts for 3 months

therefore much cheaper than plasters over time - GBP9.00 in UK for 2) - they

are made in Sweden.



Peter (snorer !)



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==========

Subject: Ibegaine??

From: yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree)

Date: 11 Aug 1998 07:02:03 GMT

--------

I hope this is not off topic and I hope Henrietta will answer this. Our family

is devastated by a great nephew that is addicted to crack cocaine. All of the

programs he has been in has failed. I have heard something about a drug (that

is itself a hallucinagenic) that supposedly will break any physical and

psychological addiction.

I know it sounds ridiculous but the radio program that I just caught part of

seemed relatively sincere. The host was at first very very suspicious and wary

but then checked it out and said the information actually seemed to be true. No

one was selling the product. We are desperate. This treatment is not available

in the US but if it were legitimate we would make all efforts to find the

treatment whereever it was available. Do you know of this. It is probably

spelled differently and maybe even pronounced differently but this is close I

think . Please email me a copy of any response . thanks

"You are  a spiritual being having a physical experience and not a physical

being having a spiritual experience."





==========

Subject: Re: Ibegaine??

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 12:11:20 GMT

--------

yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree) wrote:



>I hope this is not off topic and I hope Henrietta will answer this. Our family

>is devastated by a great nephew that is addicted to crack cocaine. All of the

>programs he has been in has failed. I have heard something about a drug (that

>is itself a hallucinagenic) that supposedly will break any physical and

>psychological addiction.



  Ibogaine ... apparently sends the person into a really long

hallucination, but in the process "resets" the brain and for many

people eliminates the overwhelming desire to take drugs.  Oddly,

few people have any desire to take the ibogaine again.

  It isn't being investigated in the US that I know of, probably

because our DEA has a problem with using a powerful hallucinogen

for medicinal purposes.

  It's something that has to be administered under very safe

(physically secured) and monitored conditions.  I know it is

being investigated, but I don't know if it is out of the research

mode into actual use.



  Try the search engines, looking for the words:



   ibogaine addiction treatment therapy



 and you will probably find what you need to know.

 

  









==========

To: Yesirree <yesirree@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Ibegaine??

From: Sky <s1025459@admiral.umsl.edu>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 10:06:07 -0500

--------

> IBOGAINE is a medicinal extract from the root of the Tabernanthe Iboga

> plant. The root bark of the iboga plant is grown and eaten in Central and

> West Africa as a stimulant and as part of hallucinogenic rites of passage.

> Research in the United States in the early 1960s led to the discovery that

> IBOGAINE, the psychoactive compound in the bark, has the ability to break

> the cycle of addiction to nicotine, alcohol, cocaine and heroin.

>

  For much more information concerning ibogaine, visit

http://www.cures-not-wars.org/

To get to the basic info, like the rest of this article ("What Is

Ibogaine"), you have to scroll down nearly to the bottom of the page to

"Ongoing Issues", the stuff up top that will grab your attention (at

least it grabbed mine!) is more advanced stuff, assuming you know what

it is, properties, etc. (just letting you know, so you get the info you

want sooner instead of getting confused!)



This issue probably is off topic, but I understand how you feel -- a few

years ago an uncle of mine shot himself rather than suffer crack

withdrawls after losing everything but his family, who he was trying to

shut out of his life.  I sure wish something like this would have been

available for him.  Hopefully Cures Not Wars will either have some info

on where to find ibogaine or will be able to tell you where to look for

such info.  Good luck.



Peace,

Sky







==========

To: Yesirree <yesirree@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Ibegaine??

From: "Leticia A. Martinez" <letimartinez@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 15:39:48 +0000

--------

Yes, Ibogaine has been used sucessfully in the treatment of addiction.

Check out these links:





Ibogaine Dossier

htttp://www.ibogaine.org



MAPS Inc.

http://www.maps.org



Deborah Mash, M.D. of the University of Florida, Miami

has been doing experimental studies and research

on this miraculous healing herb.





==========

Subject: Re: Location of Chelidonium Plant

From: "cb" <buglady48@doghotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:43:35 -0500

--------

Hi, try this site.  Part way down the page is a database for the UK which

might help.  Over on the right are more databases for plants.  Happy

hunting......cb......take out the dog  before replying.



http://botany.miningco.com/index.htm

    A Stephenson wrote in message

<6qp5a2$eds$1@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net>...

    Hello



    Does anyone know where to find the yellow flowering chelidonium plant

    growing in Scotland? Its supposed to be quite common - also known as

greater

    celandine. Help please













==========

Subject: Re: Location of Chelidonium Plant

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:00:16 GMT

--------

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 07:43:35 -0500, "cb" <buglady48@doghotmail.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>    Does anyone know where to find the yellow flowering chelidonium plant

>    growing in Scotland? Its supposed to be quite common - also known as

>greater

>    celandine. Help please



I've found them in quite surprising places, eg. right next to a house under some

bushes. Can't say if it's been planted there in the last 100 years or so though.

It is very common under hedges over here; just try shady moist places.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Location of Chelidonium Plant

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 18:52:41 GMT

--------

In article <6qp5a2$eds$1@nclient5-gui.server.virgin.net>,

  "A Stephenson" <a.stephenson@virgin.net> wrote:

> Hello

>

> Does anyone know where to find the yellow flowering chelidonium plant

> growing in Scotland? Its supposed to be quite common - also known as greater

> celandine. Help please

>

>



Places that get plenty of rain and not too much sunlight (if you can find

such a place). Learn what the plant looks like well enough that you'll

recognize it when you see it-- the easiest way to do this (short of seeing

the plant itself) is a good photograph, as might be found in a high-end field

guide.



If you need more information you can write me at bentl3y@hotmail.com



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Subject: FREE HERB/NUTRITION NEWSLETTER BY A PHARMACIST

From: elfreem@aol.com (Elfreem)

Date: 11 Aug 1998 14:33:06 GMT

--------

I am a pharmacist and manager of a drug therapy newsletter for over 400

hospitals. Currently, I read about 35 to 40 medical journals. After my wife got

relief from severe PMS headaches after taking an herb called black cohosh, I

started investigating natural products and began a series on herbs in the drug

therapy newsletter. I'm really surprised at the amount of information available

and how little most healthcare professionals know. I just finished short

monographs on black cohosh, ginkgo biloba, and St. John's Wort for my current

drug therapy newsletter. Would any of these monographs interest you??  Contact

me directly at Elfreem@aol.com.



My goal for this year is to develop an email herb/nutrition newsletter for the

general public that will be free for at least 6 months. I'll expand and update

the info on the herbal monographs I've done so far and add info on dozens of

other herbs and nutritionals. I believe I can save the lives of many people

and/or prolong the lives of people by many years with the information I have

now ...but I would like to add another 10 on herbs and nutrition journals

beyond what I now read and provide this new focus in a different newsletter.



Before I start this project I'll need several hundred people to express an

interest. Please contact me directly at Elfreem@aol.com for a free

subscription. Do you know anyone else who might be? I'd appreciate your help.

Would you please forward this message to as many friends as you can who you

think might be interested. Thanks for your support.



Sincerely,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter Service

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





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Subject: How to make a new peppermint plant from another one.

From: Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:35:02 -0500

--------

How would I go about making a new peppermint plant from another

one? Just cut off a stem and put it into another pot? Or do I need

to use some kind of chemical, root powder for example?

Please private e-mail me the answer, thank you.

 

-bahwi

email- bahwi@ technologist.com  -  bahwi@ yahoo.com





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Subject: Re: How to make a new peppermint plant from another one.

From: MICAHG@leeds.ac.uk (A.H. Gilmour)

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 09:09:25 +0100 (BST)

--------

In article <35D072B5.2DEC7D68@technologist.com>,

   Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> wrote:

>How would I go about making a new peppermint plant from 

another

>one? Just cut off a stem and put it into another pot? Or do 

I need

>to use some kind of chemical, root powder for example?

>Please private e-mail me the answer, thank you.

> 

>-bahwi

>email- bahwi@ technologist.com  -  bahwi@ yahoo.com



If it's like spearmint, you take some of the root, with a 

stem attached, and stick it in the ground.  Do you really 

need two?



Helen Gilmour

micahg@leeds.ac.uk





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Subject: Re: How to make a new peppermint plant from another one.

From: Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 10:26:19 -0500

--------

A.H. Gilmour wrote:

> 

> If it's like spearmint, you take some of the root, with a

> stem attached, and stick it in the ground.  Do you really

> need two?



Yes, I wish to give one away in the future and this one is in a pott.

I'll try that, thanks.



-bahwi

email- bahwi@ technologist.com  -  bahwi@ yahoo.com





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Subject: Re: How to make a new peppermint plant from another one.

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:00:18 GMT

--------

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:35:02 -0500, Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>How would I go about making a new peppermint plant from another

>one? 



You can use a xerox machine and/or a Calvin multiplier box, you can chant your

verses from the big black tome up on the highest shelf in the tower room, you

can cut a stem and leave it in a glass of water for a while until it's rooted

itself, or you can dig under your plant to find a couple rooted branches and

uproot those to put in another spot. 



Did I cover them all?



Henriette



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To: bahwi@technologist.com

Subject: Re: How to make a new peppermint plant from another one.

From: Sky <s1025459@admiral.umsl.edu>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:40:27 -0500

--------

I just tried this a couple of weeks ago -- I cut off a couple of stems &

stuck them into some potting soil in a hanging pot.  No chemicals,

nothing, just dirt & plenty of water.  I tried more than I probably

should have, not knowing how many would live, since I had never done

that before.  About 2 or 3 died while about 5 lived.  They are still in

the process of rooting & such, only sprouting a few new leaves while my

original has grown an inch or so, but they look a lot healthier than the

original did when I bought it!



Peace,

Sky



Bahwi wrote:



> How would I go about making a new peppermint plant from another

> one? Just cut off a stem and put it into another pot? Or do I need

> to use some kind of chemical, root powder for example?

> Please private e-mail me the answer, thank you.

>

> -bahwi

> email- bahwi@ technologist.com  -  bahwi@ yahoo.com











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Subject: Woad

From: Kate <katemac@aracnet.com>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 11:29:15 -0700

--------

I've got a question.  Is woad bad for you?  I have heard third and

fourth hand that woad, used as a body paint (ancient Picts, you know)

can be a mild hallucinogen as well as a major carcinogen.



Is this a weird urban myth or is it true?  How do I find out?



Thanks!



Kate

katemac@aracnet.com









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Subject: Re: Woad

From: "Silverthorn Wolf" <vmsmith@nospam.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:11:36 -0500

--------



Kate wrote in message <35D08D7A.F2E6D3E4@aracnet.com>...

>I've got a question.  Is woad bad for you?  I have heard third and

>fourth hand that woad, used as a body paint (ancient Picts, you know)

>can be a mild hallucinogen as well as a major carcinogen.

>



The only thing that I know about it is, that they used it to deaden pain.

It works like a topical anesthetic.  So when they got a slice from a sword,

the skin was already somewhat numb to pain, and it would numb the pain from

the slice (cut, hack, whatever).

As for carcinogenic, I have never heard of that one.  I wouldn't doubt the

hallucinogen though.

Silverthorn Wolf

vmsmith@execpc.com

So if you're born again, does this mean you believe in reincarnation?

To Reply: Change nospam to execpc

Or just click on the e-mail address above (DUH!)

Merry meet,  merry part,  merry meet again.













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Subject: Re: Woad

From: "Deb" <thomasclan@earthlink.net>

Date: 13 Aug 1998 21:39:03 GMT

--------

According to my Rodale's Illustrated Encyclopedia of Herbs: "Most gardeners

prefer just to look at the herb, rather than put it to a practical use,

although home hyers still color wool with woad. 

Medicinal: The herb is too poisonous to be used internally, but it once was

applied externally as an astringent. A poultice of leaves was placed on an

open wound to stop bleeding." 

Arkansas Deb



Silverthorn Wolf <vmsmith@nospam.com> wrote in article

<6qthti$lic@newsops.execpc.com>...

> 

> Kate wrote in message <35D08D7A.F2E6D3E4@aracnet.com>...

> >I've got a question.  Is woad bad for you?  I have heard third and

> >fourth hand that woad, used as a body paint (ancient Picts, you know)

> >can be a mild hallucinogen as well as a major carcinogen.

> >

> 

> The only thing that I know about it is, that they used it to deaden pain.

> It works like a topical anesthetic.  So when they got a slice from a

sword,

> the skin was already somewhat numb to pain, and it would numb the pain

from

> the slice (cut, hack, whatever).

>





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Subject: Re: Woad

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:31:28 GMT

--------

In article <35D08D7A.F2E6D3E4@aracnet.com>,

  Kate <katemac@aracnet.com> wrote:

> I've got a question.  Is woad bad for you?  I have heard third and

> fourth hand that woad, used as a body paint (ancient Picts, you know)

> can be a mild hallucinogen as well as a major carcinogen.

>

> Is this a weird urban myth or is it true?  How do I find out?

>

> Thanks!

>

> Kate

> katemac@aracnet.com

>

>



I've never known anybody to get hallucinations from Woad. To me, it feels

quite a lot like nothing. Some people say they feel a buzz from it something

like espresso would give them-- nothing too major. Perhaps if you were

putting it on your body every day you would eventually get some stronger

effects from it.  Woad is of course in the mustard family (Cruciferae) and

like other mustards, it contains lots of powerful electrolytes. It is an

antidepressant, and also a styptic (meaning that it stanches the flow of

blood). Both of these factors make it a good war paint. It is also a topical

antiseptic. Too much of just about any highly reactive substance can

eventually cause cancer, but Nothing traditional seems to indicate that woad

is a strong carcinogen when applied externally.



If you need more information you can write me at bentl3y@hotmail.com



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Subject: Mugwort

From: darkskies@my-dejanews.com

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:15:33 GMT

--------

Does anyone know where I can purchase Mugwort?

I am interested in making my own dream pillows.



Many thanks to all who reply!



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Subject: Re: Mugwort

From: denver@takemeout.op.net (Dennis Fennell)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:16:47 GMT

--------

What is Mugwort?





On 11 Aug 1998 21:01:00 GMT, levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044) wrote:



>>Does anyone know where I can purchase Mugwort?

>>I am interested in making my own dream pillows.

>>

>>Many thanks to all who reply!

>>

>>

>

>Dried? I have more than enough would be happy to make a deal with you.

>

>Belinda







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Subject: Re: Mugwort

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:38:20 GMT

--------

On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:16:47 GMT, denver@takemeout.op.net (Dennis Fennell) wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>What is Mugwort?



You might try one of several approaches:

- search the web for it

- go to the library and read up on it

- check dejanews for this newsgroup.



The latin name is Artemisia vulgaris, or perhaps some other species of Artemisia

over in North America.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Mugwort

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:39:51 GMT

--------

In article <35db1629.10481953@news.eunet.fi>,

  HeK@hetta.pp.fi wrote:

> On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:16:47 GMT, denver@takemeout.op.net (Dennis Fennell)

wrote

> in alt.folklore.herbs:

>

> >What is Mugwort?

>

*Artemisia vulgaris* Common in the northern hemisphere. strong-smelling shrub,

related to wormwood and prairie sage. Stimulant, diaphoretic, antidepressant,

antiseptic, vasoconstrictor, emmenagogue. Named after the greek goddess

Artemis, the huntress, to whom it is said to have been consecrated.



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Subject: Re: Mugwort

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 29 Aug 1998 02:46:43 GMT

--------

>We sell mugwort at our nursery.

>darkskies@my-dejanews.com wrote in message

><6qq58l$vsf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>>Does anyone know where I can purchase Mugwort?

>>I am interested in making my own dream pillows.

>>

>>Many thanks to all who reply!

>>

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Just be aware that if you plant mugwort someplace it will take over. It has

taken over a patch of garden that was all mint and is attempting to overtake

everything else in my friend's garden.



Belinda





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Subject: Re: head lice solution

From: chatziem@usa.net

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:47:02 GMT

--------

In article <35d1e93b.2054269@news.primenet.com>,

  abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:

> "leancuizine" <leancuizine@ixpres.com> wrote:

>

> YET ANOTHER BLOODY AD FOR HIS SOOOPER SEKRET REMEDY!

>

> >problem.  If your friend is interested in applying natural

> >ingredients that work rather than toxic ingredients that may not, send $2

> >to recover cost of po box & copyright to G.Bendett, PO Box 710793,Santee,

> >CA 92072-0793.

>

> fwiw - recipes can't be copyrighted, so he's lying about the cost

> of the copyright.

>





Recipes can be copyrighted.  And so can cook books, and how to cook books,

and how to find cook book books.  Anything in writing that is your own

original work can be copyrighted.  Your posts, for instance, if placed

anywhere else than a public forum as a first publishing can be copyrighted. 

Web Pages can be copyrighted for their content.  You are not supposed to copy

or republish anything off of a personal home page without the permission of

the owner.  That is called an implied copyright.  A statement like "All

rights reserved" means just that.  All implied copyrights and future or in

process applied for rights are intended to be kept and protected by the

originating author.



Now, many recipes are shared, with the consent of the originator or if the

material has become public domain.  Most copyrights are for the life of the

author plus 50 years for literary works and life of the author plus 10 years

for other written materials where all rights are expressly reserved.



However, I agree that the guy's ad you were responding to is just a bit over

the top.  First off, I happen to know that the postal box would be more than

paid for by only a few orders at $2 apiece.  And a copyright doesn't cost

more than $45 in most cases.  This is a man who may really feel that his

"cures" will be worthwhile, but he certainly needs to come out and say that

he is selling the collection of recipes instead of implying that his overhead

is so much.  Frankly, by his statements I don't trust him, so I wouldn't

trust his information.	Copyright aside.  So I wouldn't recommend to anyone

to send away for it. -- Chatzie Massey The Cottager



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Subject: Re: head lice solution

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 01:48:37 GMT

--------

>In article <35d1e93b.2054269@news.primenet.com>,

>  abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:

>> fwiw - recipes can't be copyrighted, so he's lying about the cost

>> of the copyright.



chatziem@usa.net wrote:

>Recipes can be copyrighted.  And so can cook books, and how to cook books,

>and how to find cook book books.  Anything in writing that is your own

>original work can be copyrighted.  

    AHEM: According to the third edition of "COPYRIGHT FOR THE

NINETIES", by Gorman & Ginsburg, page 80, which I use regularly

in my work as a professional writer and editor:

  ... regulations promulgated pursuant to the Copyright Act list

the following works as not subject to copyright:

  "Words and short phrases ... [snip] ...  mere listings of

ingredients or contents."

   And they go on to cite some stuff about "a direction of

instruction for use" not being copyrightable, and even a court

decision involvig Sara Lee ... "More complex directions, such as

the serving directions on a frozen dessert package, are not

copyrightable."

   Cook BOOKS, as a compilation of recipes, have a copyright even

though none of the individual recipes is elegible. In this case

the copyright is for the collection as a whole.  Someone could

produce their own compilation, and even use many of the same

recipes, without violating copyright.



>Your posts, for instance, if placed

>anywhere else than a public forum as a first publishing can be copyrighted. 

  Actually, and I asked a local lawyer whose specialty is

copyright law about this: they are copyrighted no matter where

they are first placed, and cannot be reused by anyone else ...

although since lawsuits about copyright always include the market

value of the text (which is basically that of graffitti) the

chances for a lawsuit are slim.  Nobody would get enough money to

make it worthwhile to the lawyers.



>Web Pages can be copyrighted for their content.

  Not "can be" ... they are automatically, to the extent that

they are original creations.  The difference between a page whose

content has been formally registered at the copyright office and

the page that is not registered is basically nothing, until

someone files a civil suit for infringement. Then having a

registered copyright gives you some legal remedies.









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Subject: Re: head lice solution

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:00:22 GMT

--------

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:47:02 GMT, chatziem@usa.net wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Recipes can be copyrighted.  And so can cook books, and how to cook books,



Is this international copyright laws?

As far as I know recipes cannot be copyrighted, but recipe collections (cook

books) can.



Henriette



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Subject: Mint Syrups

From: "Kim" <Kimbala@3n.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 22:07:06 GMT

--------

I once heard of making mint syrups from either spearmint leaves or

peppermint leaves.  But I have been unable to find any recipes?  Can

someone help?  Thanks







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Subject: Re: Mint Syrups

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:59:39 -0700

--------

Do you want caugh syrup or pancake syrup?  I do not know about the pancake

syrup, but here is a pretty standard recipie for medicinal syrup:



Syrups are made by adding about 2 ounces of herbs to a quart of water and

gently boil down to one pint and whils still warm, add two ounces of honey

and/or glycerine.  Licorice and wild cherry bark are commonly used as

flavors, and are also theraputic.  In the cas of mint, I don't think you

need the flavors...Good Luck!



Kim wrote in message <01bdc564$47fb60a0$a45b8ccf@3n.net.3n.net>...

>I once heard of making mint syrups from either spearmint leaves or

>peppermint leaves.  But I have been unable to find any recipes?  Can

>someone help?  Thanks

>









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Subject: Re: Mint Syrups

From: vandy@avana.net

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:40:25 GMT

--------

On Tue, 11 Aug 1998 19:59:39 -0700, "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

wrote:

><snip>wild cherry bark are commonly used as

>flavors, and are also theraputic.



Wild cherry bark?  The wild cherry growing in my area is very toxic to

livestock.  I don't wish to use any thing that toxic for human intake.

Are there different types of wild cherry with some species being

non-toxic?  Maybe the local 'choke cherries' are not really wild

cherry, maybe it is an escape cultivar, even though the tree grows

wild in this area.



posted to newsgroup

vandy at avana dot net

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Subject: Re: Mint Syrups

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:43:58 -0400

--------

All the species of Prunus I know of (including cherries, wild cherries,

choke cherries, apricots, plums, peaches, etc.) contain measurable amounts

of one or more glucosides of cyanide which are concentrated in the leaves

and in the pits of the fruit.  The compound can usually be recognized by the

characteristic almond-extract scent it releases when the fresh leaves are

bruised.  Under certain circumstances the glucoside can break down and

cyanide can be released more rapidly (as I believe when the foliage has

wilted), but even under the best of circumstances it is toxic if taken in

sufficient quantities.  The key phrase here is "sufficient quantities".  As

far as I know, all the confirmed livestock poisonings from wild cherry and

it's relatives have occurred when the pastures were stripped of grass and

other more edible materials, so the amounts consumed were considerably

greater on a weight-to-weight basis than anything that might be taken

medicinally as a tea (unless you're planning to drink quarts of the stuff,

which I definitely do NOT recommend).  The leaves are fairly bitter, so most

livestock will not consume much of them unless there is little else to eat.

In addition, the bark (so far as I know) does not carry such a high amount

of this glucoside, so as long as you are careful and start with small

quantities and use common sense you should be all right.  I have made teas

of the leaves of several of these and related species (many trees in the

Rose family have similar compounds and have also been used similarly in

herbal medicine) and I'm still here to talk about it.  In fact, it may be

the glucosides themselves that are responsible for at least part of the

effect.



Actually, I'm not sure the original author was correct about the *bark*

being used as *flavoring* - it certainly doesn't appeal to me.



-Rich



>><snip>wild cherry bark are commonly used as

>>flavors, and are also theraputic.

>

>Wild cherry bark?  The wild cherry growing in my area is very toxic to

>livestock.  I don't wish to use any thing that toxic for human intake.

>Are there different types of wild cherry with some species being

>non-toxic?  Maybe the local 'choke cherries' are not really wild

>cherry, maybe it is an escape cultivar, even though the tree grows

>wild in this area.

>











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Subject: What herbs or vitamins would be beneficial to a recovering alcoholic???

From: oleoneeye@worldnet.att.net (Jim Wilding)

Date: 12 Aug 1998 04:34:33 GMT

--------

TIA





==========

Subject: Re: What herbs or vitamins would be beneficial to a recovering alcoholic???

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:09:03 GMT

--------

In article <35d11afc.19102455@netnews2.worldnet.att.net>,

  oleoneeye@worldnet.att.net (Jim Wilding) wrote:

> TIA

>



Scullcap is something I've used for this in the past. Tea or concentrate in a

honey and water menstruum is the best way to take it (tea if you have time to

make it). Tinctures are widely available but less good for the obvious reason

that they contain alcohol.  The effect is basically that of a nervine. It

alleviates the nervousness and the physical need for alcohol. Takes as

necessary, a cup of tea or 10 ml of extract.  Along with that (and even after

that has served its purpose and is no longer needed), it would be a good idea

to use something to help the liver repair itself and purify the blood.

Thistles of just about any sort are a traditional favorite (as well as a

personal favorite of mine). They'll also help to stimulate the kidneys,

facilitating the removal of Alcohol from the system.  Hope this helps, and if

not, get back to me at my personal email address.



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Subject: Re: Graying hair is not n

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 12 Aug 98 09:35:10 EDT

--------

farmerdean@my-dejanews.com  wrote:

Subject: Re: Graying hair is not natural

Fa>> Since the ingredients are well known in certain herbal circles they

Fa> are not secret so I will list them. My formulation contains Yarrow,

Fa> olive oil and beeswax. I started using it as a conditioner (like VO5)

Fa> with the hope that it would make a  difference for the graying hair

Fa> also. I was starting to doubt it myself, but after two  months I could

Fa> clearly see a difference. If you want to try it but do not want to go



    In ref to stopping baldness, I now recall reading in some health

    literature received in my mail box that said to have hair start

    to re-grow on the scalp, one should cut an onion in half, and

    then rub the opened onion half into the scalp.



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Subject: Re: Addiction

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 12 Aug 98 09:35:10 EDT

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Sk> From: Sky <s1025459@admiral.umsl.edu>  wrote:

Sk> For much more information concerning ibogaine, visit

Sk> http://www.cures-not-wars.org/

        (snip>

Sk> This issue probably is off topic, but I understand how you feel -- a

Sk> few years ago an uncle of mine shot himself rather than suffer crack

Sk> withdrawls after losing everything but his family, who he was trying

Sk> to shut out of his life.  I sure wish something like this would have

Sk> been available for him.  Hopefully Cures Not Wars will either have some

Sk> info on where to find ibogaine or will be able to tell you where to

Sk> look for such info.  Good luck.



    After reading this post, I wonder if an addict who took dietary

    supplements [vitamin-minerals] would see an decreased desire

    for drugs?  Including such supplements like vit. C and B complex?



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Subject: Re: Addiction

From: "Sherlock" <nonakari@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 12 Aug 1998 18:09:09 GMT

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I understand why people think this way about addiction.  I believe that

vitamins can help somewhat, however, the desire to use drugs, or alcohol are

much more then the nutritional and physical desires to use.  There can also

be some extremly complicated emotional problems behind the desires to use.

I am sure that nutrition can cure many ills.  But no one thing will ever

cure addiction.  it is an everyday, constant struggle for the addict.

Treatment programs encourage the people victimized by addiction as much

sugar as they can eat during and after detoxification.

Some alcoholics believe one herb is very good for their specific addiction.

Unfortunaltey, this herb is not considered legal, except California and

Arizona, and that is only for medical reasons.:):)



                                                                Kari



>    After reading this post, I wonder if an addict who took dietary

>    supplements [vitamin-minerals] would see an decreased desire

>    for drugs?  Including such supplements like vit. C and B complex?

>

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Subject: Re: Addiction

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 04:11:09 GMT

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For adddiction help try www.rational.org/recovery.  It does not hav e to be

a daily struggle.









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Subject: MaPickle...and Mint Syrup Recipe

From: dgsaba@aol.com (DGSABA)

Date: 12 Aug 1998 14:02:42 GMT

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Ma...Pickle....



Found it and thank you so much for sharing this site with me !



Here is a recipe for Mint Syrup



Makes 3 cups



1 cup of sugar 

2 bunches mint,cut into 2" lengths



In a small sauce pan, combine sugar, mint, and add 2 3/4 cups of water

bring to boil over a medium-high heat.



Cook until the sugar has completely disolved, 1 minute

Remove from heat



Let stand 30 minutes



Pass through a fine strainer over a bowl, and discard mint.



Store in an airtight container, refrigerated.

Lasts up to 2 months.



Enjoy....and will trade plants anytime...and also seeds   :)

Diana   *Happiness is merely the remission of pain...

  My Homepage links to Our Working Fibro World

  http://members.aol.com./dgsaba/index.html  

  



                                   

 

          

               

              







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Subject: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: punkker@atl.mindspring.com (punkker)

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:47:07 -0400

--------

I love to cook and have decided to that I want to start a window box herb

garden in order to have  fresh herbs available at all times.  Problem is

that I am an inexperienced and (given my few prior experiences) a very poor

gardener.  I am looking for information on  with starting an easy to

maintain edible herb garden.  I am in  need of all information relating to

sunlight, water and soil needs.  Also, I need to know when I should plant

and how long do the herbs last.  Do I need fresh plants/seeds every spring? 





Is there something special about cilantro?  I have looked in several

gardening stores and have not seen a refernce to it?



I would especially like addresses for websites that explain this information.

Please keep in mind that I am looking for the lowest maintenance set-up

possible.



Thanks in advance for any help!

Kay





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To: punkker <punkker@atl.mindspring.com>

Subject: Re: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: Dave Kaufmann <dkaufmann@denvertax.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 13:39:40 -0600

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Kay,



Coriander(seeds) and cilantro(leaves) come from the same plant.  Get some dried

coriander seeds at the grocery store, and plant some.  If you don't harvest the

seeds from the plant they will reseed themselves with a vengence.  Then you will

see how well you really like cilantro <g>.





punkker wrote:



> I love to cook and have decided to that I want to start a window box herb

> garden in order to have  fresh herbs available at all times.  Problem is

> that I am an inexperienced and (given my few prior experiences) a very poor

> gardener.  I am looking for information on  with starting an easy to

> maintain edible herb garden.  I am in  need of all information relating to

> sunlight, water and soil needs.  Also, I need to know when I should plant

> and how long do the herbs last.  Do I need fresh plants/seeds every spring?

>

> Is there something special about cilantro?  I have looked in several

> gardening stores and have not seen a refernce to it?

>

> I would especially like addresses for websites that explain this information.

> Please keep in mind that I am looking for the lowest maintenance set-up

> possible.

>

> Thanks in advance for any help!

> Kay



 --

 |  Dave Kaufmann









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Subject: Re: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: MaryAnne Long <malong@lava.net>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 06:47:34 -1000

--------

Dave Kaufmann wrote:

> 

> Kay,

> 

> Coriander(seeds) and cilantro(leaves) come from the same plant.  Get some dried

> coriander seeds at the grocery store, and plant some.  If you don't harvest the

> seeds from the plant they will reseed themselves with a vengence.  Then you will

> see how well you really like cilantro <g>.



If you do like it, try this garlic/cilantro sauce for pasta:



Slowly saute chopped garlic in butter or oleo.  Went soft, sprinkle on 

some cilantro while garlic is still in the pan, then pour over

freshly-cooked pasta.



Add cracked pepper and Parmesan cheese when serving.



I don't use measurements, just quantites to individual tastes. (Say per

person one garlic big clove, two tablespoons cilantro, 1/4 cup butter -

add a little oil, if needed).



Aloha,



MaryAnne





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Subject: Re: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: "Jenn" <audacity@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:36:12 GMT

--------

Okay, easiest question first.  If you haven't seen cilantro, try looking for

coriander or chinese parsley, they're all the same thing.  Now, I can't give

you specific websites...I suggest you pick up the Sunset Western Garden Book

or go to your library and check it out, while made specifically for the

western US, it'll have information in there useful to any gardner, it's very

detailed.  Now, what I suggest you do is measure your windowsill, find a pot

in your local garden center that you like (I personally prefer terra cotta,

but it's your own choice)...buy yourself some basic soil, or herb soil if

your local garden center carries it (try going to garden centers/nurseries

as opposed to grocery store's garden departments).  Buy yourself some seeds,

plant them in the soil as directed.  Water only when the soil is dry...to

test the soil for dryness, stick your finger an inch or two down, if it's

dry down there, it needs water.  Don't overwater.  Be patient, some herbs

take a long time to germinate.  Once they have their second or third set of

true leaves, cut back your watering some...you can start harvesting after

your plant has atleast four or five sets of true leaves, be sure to always

leave some leaves so that your plant can grow back.  Many herbs are annuals,

however, when grown outdoors and treated well, they can be perennials.  Keep

in mind that many herbs don't like being waterd much once established.  Cut

off flower stalks as soon as possible (unless it is an herb used for its

flowers, like chamomile), most herbs become bitter once they start to

flower, plus htey won't produce as many leaves.



Jenn

audacity@teleport.com

free recipes: http://www.geocities.com/NapaValley/9559/





punkker wrote in message ...

>I love to cook and have decided to that I want to start a window box herb

>garden in order to have  fresh herbs available at all times.  Problem is

>that I am an inexperienced and (given my few prior experiences) a very poor

>gardener.  I am looking for information on  with starting an easy to

>maintain edible herb garden.  I am in  need of all information relating to

>sunlight, water and soil needs.  Also, I need to know when I should plant

>and how long do the herbs last.  Do I need fresh plants/seeds every spring?

>

>

>Is there something special about cilantro?  I have looked in several

>gardening stores and have not seen a refernce to it?

>

>I would especially like addresses for websites that explain this

information.

>Please keep in mind that I am looking for the lowest maintenance set-up

>possible.

>

>Thanks in advance for any help!

>Kay









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Subject: Re: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: meg@Steam.Stanford.EDU (Meg Worley)

Date: 12 Aug 1998 21:18:59 -0700

--------



As a fellow dummy, I would forego the seed adventure and

go for the seedling thang first time out of the gate.  The 

problem with sprouting seeds is that you have to keep a

really close eye on those babies, since if they dry out

completely, you're back to square one, and that is 

dependent on daily humidity and so forth.  On the other

hand, if you buy seedlings at a local nursery/Home Depot/

whatever, it's not nearly so hard to keep them alive,

and the reward is quicker, bigger, better.  There's time

enough to sprout from seed after you know what your chosen

plants groove on.



All this, I hasten to add, is my experience; I could be

wrong about anything & everything up to & including my

name.





Rage away,



meg





-- 

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Subject: Re: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: Catherine Hensley <hensley@lanl.gov>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:11:25 -0600

--------





Jenn wrote:



> Now, what I suggest you do is measure your windowsill, find a pot

> in your local garden center that you like (I personally prefer terra cotta,

> but it's your own choice)



I have to jump in here.  I reccomend self-watering pots, no matter what climate

you are growing your potted plants in.  Yes, these are only available in plastic

(and some horrible colors this year, from what I've seen), but the design is

really neat.  The pot holds most of the soil up above water level, with a couple

of "wells" of soil into the water to wick moisture up.  Since most of the soil

is above the water level, and the bottom of the pots have air vents to oxegenate

the soil, the roots get air as well as water, preventing root rot.  And, if you

leave these pots outside, not only are they self-watering, they are also

*self-draining!*  You can't overwater!  This is a very valuable atribute for

most of us. <g>



I have a kitchen window that is four feet wide, so I got 2 2'-wide planters just

wide enough to fit over my sink.  I'm planning on lettuce and other greens for

the winter.



> ...buy yourself some basic soil, or herb soil if

> your local garden center carries it (try going to garden centers/nurseries

> as opposed to grocery store's garden departments).



A soilless mix is best for all potted plants.



> Buy yourself some seeds,

> plant them in the soil as directed.



I'm with another of your respondents.  For herbs, buy plants.  For vegetables,

plant seeds.



>  Water only when the soil is dry...to

> test the soil for dryness, stick your finger an inch or two down, if it's

> dry down there, it needs water.  Don't overwater.



This is why the self-watering pots are nice.



>  Many herbs are annuals,

> however, when grown outdoors and treated well, they can be perennials.  Keep

> in mind that many herbs don't like being waterd much once established.  Cut

> off flower stalks as soon as possible (unless it is an herb used for its

> flowers, like chamomile), most herbs become bitter once they start to

> flower, plus htey won't produce as many leaves.



Also, some herbs like more water, and some less.  Basil likes water, so do

parsley and chives.  They could all go into one pot.  Thyme and sage like it

drier, and can go in the same pot for a season (sage can get BIG, although a

small pot does limit the root growth).  Rosemary has similar growth habits, but

I always put mine in a separate pot, anyway.  My largest rosemary stands in as a

small Christmas tree in December.



I only fertilize my potted herbs during the summer, and then not much.  If I

grew basil in a pot, I might fertilize that just a bit more, though.



Good luck



Catherine (Zone 5, alpine desert)









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Subject: Re: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: Alan Zelhart <rpcs30@email.sps.mot.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:20:19 -0700

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I agree Catherine.  Believe it or not, I use these self watering pots in Phoenix,

AZ where temperatures can sore up to 118 degree's during the day.  I have great

success with many different types of plants in the fall winter, and with the

hardiest heat loving plants in the spring summer, including Vinca, Purslane, Rose

Moss, Petunia's.  I water once every other day when it's real HOT.  To save wear

and tear on the sprinkler can, I ran drip irrigation line to each basket with a

sprinkler type fitting coming off the end of it.  I have a Y shaped hose fitting,

so switch it to the drip irrigation side, and water all my self-watering hanging

baskets at once.



The self-watering baskets are the best thing that has ever happened for us here in

the desert.  Regular baskets, unless in the shade all day, just dry out ot fast.  I

bought white hanging baskets, whiped them off with vinegar (which acts as a

primer), and then painted the pots the color that I wanted them to be.  The vinegar

worked really well, they've been hanging for 5 years now, and the paints not

peeling, they still look great.



Alan



Catherine Hensley wrote:



> Jenn wrote:

>

> > Now, what I suggest you do is measure your windowsill, find a pot

> > in your local garden center that you like (I personally prefer terra cotta,

> > but it's your own choice)

>

> I have to jump in here.  I reccomend self-watering pots, no matter what climate

> you are growing your potted plants in.  Yes, these are only available in plastic

> (and some horrible colors this year, from what I've seen), but the design is

> really neat.  The pot holds most of the soil up above water level, with a couple

> of "wells" of soil into the water to wick moisture up.  Since most of the soil

> is above the water level, and the bottom of the pots have air vents to oxegenate

> the soil, the roots get air as well as water, preventing root rot.  And, if you

> leave these pots outside, not only are they self-watering, they are also

> *self-draining!*  You can't overwater!  This is a very valuable atribute for

> most of us. <g>

>

> I have a kitchen window that is four feet wide, so I got 2 2'-wide planters just

> wide enough to fit over my sink.  I'm planning on lettuce and other greens for

> the winter.

>

> > ...buy yourself some basic soil, or herb soil if

> > your local garden center carries it (try going to garden centers/nurseries

> > as opposed to grocery store's garden departments).

>

> A soilless mix is best for all potted plants.

>

> > Buy yourself some seeds,

> > plant them in the soil as directed.

>

> I'm with another of your respondents.  For herbs, buy plants.  For vegetables,

> plant seeds.

>

> >  Water only when the soil is dry...to

> > test the soil for dryness, stick your finger an inch or two down, if it's

> > dry down there, it needs water.  Don't overwater.

>

> This is why the self-watering pots are nice.

>

> >  Many herbs are annuals,

> > however, when grown outdoors and treated well, they can be perennials.  Keep

> > in mind that many herbs don't like being waterd much once established.  Cut

> > off flower stalks as soon as possible (unless it is an herb used for its

> > flowers, like chamomile), most herbs become bitter once they start to

> > flower, plus htey won't produce as many leaves.

>

> Also, some herbs like more water, and some less.  Basil likes water, so do

> parsley and chives.  They could all go into one pot.  Thyme and sage like it

> drier, and can go in the same pot for a season (sage can get BIG, although a

> small pot does limit the root growth).  Rosemary has similar growth habits, but

> I always put mine in a separate pot, anyway.  My largest rosemary stands in as a

> small Christmas tree in December.

>

> I only fertilize my potted herbs during the summer, and then not much.  If I

> grew basil in a pot, I might fertilize that just a bit more, though.

>

> Good luck

>

> Catherine (Zone 5, alpine desert)





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Subject: Re: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: ellen@spam.free.at.last

Date: 14 Aug 1998 06:14:21 GMT

--------

In article <35D33A5D.8570F59D@lanl.gov>,

Catherine Hensley  <hensley@lanl.gov> wrote:

<snip>

>I have to jump in here.  I reccomend self-watering pots, no matter what climate

>you are growing your potted plants in.  Yes, these are only available in plastic

>(and some horrible colors this year, from what I've seen), but the design is

>really neat.  



Thought you might be interested to know that there are some very good

self-watering pots in terra cotta! Yup, a guy in the Midwest (can find

his name if you're interested) makes them. Here's how they work. Say,

to get a 4" pot, he takes a 4" terra cotta pot and cements it inside

a 6" pot with the drainage holes aligned. The 6" pot is glazed, the

4" pot is not. The plant goes in the 4" pot and you fill the space

between the two pots with water, which then is absorbed by the

(unglazed) inside pot. And, if you want to flush the plant, it's no

problem since there's a drainage hole. They come in all sizes and

weren't too expensive when I bought them. I keep all my African violets

in them and they do beautifully. Also have a little Norfolk pine in one

and it's the first Norfolk pine that has lived longer than a month in

my house. :-)))



There's another kind of ceramic self-watering pot that I'm less crazy

about -- made mainly for African violets, it's an unglazed 4" pot, no

drainage hole, that fits into a glazed ceramic bowl. You lift the pot

out to fill the bowl with water. I don't like them because you have

to lift the pot to see if you need to add water; if you add too much,

they overflow when you replace the pot; and I can't manage to lift

the pot without dripping water on my woodwork. ;) But lots of people

like them and they're pretty (esp if you can find them without tacky

paintings of kittens or little girls or whatnot ;) ).



Then there's the method of wick-watering, where you use any pot you

like so long as it's got some sort of hole in the bottom. You thread

a nylon cord (wick) thru the rootball and out thru the hole and put

the other end of the cord into a reservoir of water. There are ready-made

reservoirs one can buy, some alone, others with pots, and one can

be creative. I use this method for African violet and streptocarpus

babies, after I've rooted a leaf cutting. Works very well.



Another good thing about self-watering pots is that they raise the

humidity around the plants, which is a good thing in most houses.

(But I find they make Gnatrol an absolute must with every watering,

unless you don't mind gnats. God bless Gnatrol.)



As you can see, I'm very pro-self-watering-pot, as you are! :-)









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Subject: Re: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: Lisa lapidus <lapidus@helix.nih.gv>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 10:54:53 -0400

--------

We started a balcony herb garden for the first time this year and  have

had tremendous success with most things we tried.  Cilantro has actually

been the problem plant.  We planted a seeding in the spring and it

thrived for a couple of months and went to seed when it got hot.  I

planted a new seedling in June and it has not done well at all. I think

it's the heat.  The other problem we had was with thyme.  We started

some indoors, but it all died when we transplanted, so I tried seedlings

and they were fine.



Things we planted from seed:

Oregano

Basil (green thrived, purple didn't)

Dill

Parsley

Chives



Things we planted from seedling:

Sage

Thyme

Lavender

Savory

Rosemary (plant a lot if you like it because it grows slowly)



We did most of our planting in the spring when seeds and seedlings were

easily available.  I know that in June our local home store had run out

of all herbs, so unless you find a nursery specializing in herbs (I do

know of one in Washington, DC), you may have some trouble getting

started now.



Basically I've found that with a sunny window (~6 hrs/day), a light

watering every day and fertilization every couple of weeks, the

traditional kitchen herbs are pretty easy to grow.



Good luck,



Lisa



punkker wrote:

> 

> I love to cook and have decided to that I want to start a window box herb

> garden in order to have  fresh herbs available at all times.  Problem is

> that I am an inexperienced and (given my few prior experiences) a very poor

> gardener.  I am looking for information on  with starting an easy to

> maintain edible herb garden.  I am in  need of all information relating to

> sunlight, water and soil needs.  Also, I need to know when I should plant

> and how long do the herbs last.  Do I need fresh plants/seeds every spring?

> 

> Is there something special about cilantro?  I have looked in several

> gardening stores and have not seen a refernce to it?

> 

> I would especially like addresses for websites that explain this information.

> Please keep in mind that I am looking for the lowest maintenance set-up

> possible.

> 

> Thanks in advance for any help!

> Kay





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Subject: Re: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: Tyler Hopper <thopper@postoffice.swbell.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 12:31:48 -0500

--------

Lisa lapidus wrote:

> 

> We started a balcony herb garden for the first time this year and  have

> had tremendous success with most things we tried.  Cilantro has actually

> been the problem plant.  We planted a seeding in the spring and it

> thrived for a couple of months and went to seed when it got hot.  I

> planted a new seedling in June and it has not done well at all. I think

> it's the heat. 



You're right. Cilantro will bolt if you breath hard on it. Does anybody

know where it's grown in the summer? It's always at the grocery store

(here at least).



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Subject: Re: Edible Herb Gardens For Dummies?

From: alf.christophersen@basalmed.uio.no (Alf Christophersen)

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:58:38 GMT

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Lisa lapidus <lapidus@helix.nih.gv> wrote:



>We started a balcony herb garden for the first time this year and  have

>had tremendous success with most things we tried.  Cilantro has actually

>been the problem plant.  We planted a seeding in the spring and it

>thrived for a couple of months and went to seed when it got hot.  I

>planted a new seedling in June and it has not done well at all. I think





Try another time to sow it in situ. Goes like a charm in Norway, but my

mother did grow it only for seeds. Had coriander/cilantro for several

years since lot of the seeds did fall off and sprouted next year if I

hadn't rototilled that place.



Why buy it as a seedling?? It don't tolerate any kind of disturbances of

the roots. That induce bolting immediately.







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Subject: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: "Annyn E. Mouse" <elfin@ptd.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 19:55:27 GMT

--------

might anyone know of vitamins, minerals, herbs etc which could

stimulate and/or intensify dreams, or assist in remembering?????

            ~Annyn.





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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: tomaherne@aol.com (TomAherne)

Date: 12 Aug 1998 23:23:44 GMT

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I have weird, vivid dreams after taking the herb valerian.



Tom





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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 17:44:21 -0700

--------

Ther are several herbs for dreaming and memory.   ginseng is very good for

memory.  If you want a combination for memory  try this one:

capsicum

siberian ginseng

and gotu kola

For Dreaming you might want to try a warm cup of catnip tea before bed.

Dragon's blood, myrrh, hyssop, and Jasmine are also good herbs for dreaming.

Annyn E. Mouse wrote in message <01bdc632$82935500$6b2cbacc@default>...

might anyone know of vitamins, minerals, herbs etc which could

stimulate and/or intensify dreams, or assist in remembering?????

            ~Annyn.









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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:11:44 GMT

--------

In article <6qt57q$t45$1@news1.iamerica.net>,

  "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net> wrote:

> Ther are several herbs for dreaming and memory.   ginseng is very good for

> memory.  If you want a combination for memory  try this one:

> capsicum

> siberian ginseng

> and gotu kola

> For Dreaming you might want to try a warm cup of catnip tea before bed.

> Dragon's blood, myrrh, hyssop, and Jasmine are also good herbs for dreaming.

> Annyn E. Mouse wrote in message <01bdc632$82935500$6b2cbacc@default>...

> might anyone know of vitamins, minerals, herbs etc which could

> stimulate and/or intensify dreams, or assist in remembering?????

>             ~Annyn.

>



	 	 I would also cite Solomon's seal as an example of a plant with

this sort of properties. It's very good for memeory, especially memory

immediately following a head injury. I've used it before in conjunction with

feverfew. If a person is too weak to take it orally, it can be burned so that

the smoke will be inhaled.



bentley







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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:20:46 GMT

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On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:11:44 GMT, bentl3y@my-dejanews.com wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>	 	 I would also cite Solomon's seal as an example of a plant with

>this sort of properties. It's very good for memeory, especially memory

>immediately following a head injury. I've used it before in conjunction with

>feverfew. If a person is too weak to take it orally, it can be burned so that

>the smoke will be inhaled.



What would be the latin name of the plant you call Solomon's seal? There's too

much confusion in common names of False and True Solomon's seals...



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:51:43 +0100

--------

In article <6r19i1$25t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

writes

>In article <6qt57q$t45$1@news1.iamerica.net>,

>  "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net> wrote:

>> Ther are several herbs for dreaming and memory.   ginseng is very good for

>> memory.  If you want a combination for memory  try this one:

>> capsicum

>> siberian ginseng

>> and gotu kola

>> For Dreaming you might want to try a warm cup of catnip tea before bed.

>> Dragon's blood, myrrh, hyssop, and Jasmine are also good herbs for dreaming.

>> Annyn E. Mouse wrote in message <01bdc632$82935500$6b2cbacc@default>...

>> might anyone know of vitamins, minerals, herbs etc which could

>> stimulate and/or intensify dreams, or assist in remembering?????

>>             ~Annyn.

>>

>

>                I would also cite Solomon's seal as an example of a plant with

>this sort of properties. It's very good for memeory, especially memory

>immediately following a head injury. I've used it before in conjunction with

>feverfew. If a person is too weak to take it orally, it can be burned so that

>the smoke will be inhaled.

>

>bentley

>



One of the best herbs for vivid colourfull dreams , or lucid dreaming is

wild lettuce. 

>

>

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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: lupie777spammenot@hotmail.com (Lupie)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 98 02:12:50 GMT

--------

In article <NRsPXZB$nf31EwFA@oldcity.demon.co.uk>,

   Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>One of the best herbs for vivid colourfull dreams , or lucid dreaming is

>wild lettuce. 

>>



Do you smoke it, or eat it?

-Lupie





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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: venus uzynski <venuski@swbell.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:49:35 -0600

--------

Shez,



This is true.  I used to smoke wild lettuce when I was younger and found it to be

very helpful for accessing provocative dream states.



Venus



Shez wrote:



> <snip>

>

> One of the best herbs for vivid colourfull dreams , or lucid dreaming is

> wild lettuce.

> >

> >

> >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum

>

> --

> Shez                                shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

> The 'Old Craft' lady    http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/











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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: Asher <asher25@blarg.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 01:26:14 +0000

--------

venus uzynski wrote:

> 

> Shez,

> 

> This is true.  I used to smoke wild lettuce when I was younger and found it to be

> very helpful for accessing provocative dream states.

> 

> Venus

> 

> Shez wrote:

> 

> > <snip>

> >

> > One of the best herbs for vivid colourfull dreams , or lucid dreaming is

> > wild lettuce.

> > >

> > >

> > >-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> > >http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum

> >

> > --

> > Shez                                shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

> > The 'Old Craft' lady    http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/

That is probably because Wild lettuce has opiates in it, in much small

concentrations than the good ool poppy but they there.





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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:17:31 GMT

--------



>might anyone know of vitamins, minerals, herbs etc which could

>stimulate and/or intensify dreams, or assist in remembering?????

>            ~Annyn.

></PRE></HTML>



Mugwort dried in a dreampillow. Fresh herb vinegar on salads or in foods. The

vinegar would give you the minerals and dreams  in the plant whereas the

dreampillow only gives you the dreams.



Nite Nite!



Belinda





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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: jensummers@aol.com (JenSummers)

Date: 13 Aug 1998 12:53:18 GMT

--------

>>might anyone know of vitamins, minerals, herbs etc which could

>>stimulate and/or intensify dreams, or assist in remembering?????

>>            ~Annyn.



Melatonin and Kava Kava give me some vivid dreams when I do take one or the

other.  I don't take them too often and only when I need to get to sleep

quickly.  

Jennifer Summers







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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: "Silverthorn Wolf" <vmsmith@nospam.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 16:46:19 -0500

--------



>Annyn E. Mouse wrote in message <01bdc632$82935500$6b2cbacc@default>...

>might anyone know of vitamins, minerals, herbs etc which could

>stimulate and/or intensify dreams, or assist in remembering?????

>  ~Annyn.



I don't know of any that help, but stay away from valarian root if you want

to dream.

I am one of these people that dream lots of dreams in one night and I

remember most of them too at least until I get myself out of bed and get

going...then I kinda lose them.  Anyways,  I also have a hard time getting

to sleep.  So I started taking 300mg of Valarian Root to help me sleep.  BOY

has it helped!  I have gotten very sound sleep since I have been taking

them. (About two weeks.) But I haven't had any dreams.  So if you have

problems sleeping, that valarian root is GREAT! But don't expect any dreams.

These are just my experiences, but like I said, I was always dreaming when I

slept, now I am not.

Sorry I couldn't help any more.  I would be interested if you do find

anything that works, to let me know.

Silverthorn Wolf



vmsmith@execpc.com

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To Reply: Change nospam to execpc

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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: tomaherne@aol.com (TomAherne)

Date: 13 Aug 1998 22:39:48 GMT

--------

Oops! I posted that valerian induces vivid dreams. That was a mistake. I meant

feverfew.



You are quite right, valerian either suppresses dreams or else causes you to

forget that you dreamed. It is great for sleeping, but it causes bad breath

(according to my SO).



I took feverfew for a migraine condition and found that I could not take it in

the evening because of the intense dreams. (They were vivid, crazy, and seemed

to be in color.) It has had the same effect on several people I know of who

have taken it.



Tom





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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: pammyam@aol.com (Pammyam)

Date: 16 Aug 1998 15:15:59 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes

>Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

>From: tomaherne@aol.com (TomAherne)

>Date: 8/13/98 6:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time

>Message-id: <1998081322394800.SAA00877@ladder01.news.aol.com>

>

>Oops! I posted that valerian induces vivid dreams. That was a mistake. I

>meant

>feverfew.

>

>You are quite right, valerian either suppresses dreams or else causes you to

>forget that you dreamed. It is great for sleeping, but it causes bad breath

>(according to my SO).

>

>I took feverfew for a migraine condition and found that I could not take it

>in

>the evening because of the intense dreams. (They were vivid, crazy, and

>seemed

>to be in color.) It has had the same effect on several people I know of who

>have taken it.

>

>Tom

>



Taking vitamins, in general, and particularly B's, within a few hours of

bedtime interferes with sleep for me and sometimes my dreams are more vivid and

agitated.  Since I dream in color and detail often, maybe I should stay away

from feverfew!  Does valerian or feverfew cause a kind of hangover effect?  I

thought melatonin made me groggy the next day.  What about skin

sensitivities--anyone notice anything with valerian or feverfew?



Thanks!





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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: phragmites@my-dejanews.com (Kenneth Masner)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 17:48:11 GMT

--------





Kava Kava in usual pre-sleep dosage gives me very vivid dreams.  Has

anyone else found this to be so?





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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: Thomas McClung <chip@mcclung.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:30:13 -0400

--------

Mugwort and kava taken together or seperatly seems to help you remember

your dreams as well as give you epic length dreams.

Cathy



Annyn E. Mouse wrote:



> might anyone know of vitamins, minerals, herbs etc which could

> stimulate and/or intensify dreams, or assist in remembering?????

>             ~Annyn.

>







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Subject: Re: vitamins/herbs, dreaming...

From: pwomega@mindsspringcom (Aware1)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:52:32 GMT

--------

Valerian intensifies mine.  But, they're always pretty intense,

anyway.



Aware1



>Mugwort and kava taken together or seperatly seems to help you remember

>your dreams as well as give you epic length dreams.





>> might anyone know of vitamins, minerals, herbs etc which could

>> stimulate and/or intensify dreams, or assist in remembering?????







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Subject: Re: Valerian Root- Cap. smells BAD!

From: "Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 23:43:00 -0000

--------

Valerian works best where the nervous user is "cold". Otherwise it can have

the opposite effect intended. Hops should be used if the user is "hot," red

faced, excited or has a fast pulse. And yes valerian smells like old socks,

and cats love it.



Silverthorn Wolf wrote in message <6qthjs$l4v@newsops.execpc.com>...

>Hi.

>Is it usual for valarian root to smell really foul.  I mean, I am taking it

>and I haven't had any bad effects, but everytime I open that bottle...WHEW!

>My cats go nuts over it though.  They tried chewing up the bottle to get

>into it. (The bottle was on the counter with my other pill bottles, which

>they leave alone, but they just go nuts over the stuff.)

>Thanks,

>Silverthorn Wolf

>

>

>--

>vmsmith@execpc.com

>So if you're born again, does this mean you believe in reincarnation?

>To Reply: Change nospam to execpc

>Or just click on the e-mail address above (DUH!)

>Merry meet,  merry part,  merry meet again.

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Valerian Root- Cap. smells BAD!

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:27:54 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Silverthorn Wolf wrote:

> 

> Hi.

> Is it usual for valarian root to smell really foul.  I mean, I am taking it

> and I haven't had any bad effects, but everytime I open that bottle...WHEW!

> My cats go nuts over it though.  -- 



Yup - Cats love that smell - Though most humans don't. Be sure to keep

it out of paw's reach, as they're sure to get sick if they get to it.



-Val



@=-----------------------------------------=@=-----------------------=@

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          ~Sound Source~                    | what shadows we pursue."

http://members.xoom.com/evilnoddy/index.htm /    -- Edmund Burke, 1780

@=-----------------------------------------=@=-----------------------=@                            

:   I recall in the "Peter Rabbit" books that there is a mention of   :

:     "rabbit tobaccy" smoked by one of the "old man" rabbits...      :





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Subject: Re: Valerian Root- Cap. smells BAD!

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:29:57 -0700

--------

valerian root smells similar to dirty socks!  I don't think I would worry if

I were you

Silverthorn Wolf wrote in message <6qthjs$l4v@newsops.execpc.com>...

>Hi.

>Is it usual for valarian root to smell really foul.  I mean, I am taking it

>and I haven't had any bad effects, but everytime I open that bottle...WHEW!

>My cats go nuts over it though.  They tried chewing up the bottle to get

>into it. (The bottle was on the counter with my other pill bottles, which

>they leave alone, but they just go nuts over the stuff.)

>Thanks,

>Silverthorn Wolf

>

>

>--

>vmsmith@execpc.com

>So if you're born again, does this mean you believe in reincarnation?

>To Reply: Change nospam to execpc

>Or just click on the e-mail address above (DUH!)

>Merry meet,  merry part,  merry meet again.

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Valerian Root- Cap. smells BAD!

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:19:39 GMT

--------

"Silverthorn Wolf" <vmsmith@nospam.com> wrote:



>Is it usual for valarian root to smell really foul.  I mean, I am taking it

>and I haven't had any bad effects, but everytime I open that bottle...WHEW!

  Yes ... if it doesn't have that "old sweatsoxk" aroma, it's not

valerian.  Strange about the cats.  Mine would leave the kitchen

if I opened the bottls ... he wants the Damiana, however, and has

been caught lapping the spills of SJW tea.









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Subject: Re: Valerian Root- Cap. smells BAD!

From: rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com (R. Saylor)

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:39:07 GMT

--------

It causes bad breath too. I had to stop using it when my SO

complained.



Richard S.







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Subject: Re: Valerian Root- Cap. smells BAD!

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 13 Aug 98 16:29:15 GMT

--------

netdancer2@my-dejanews.com <netdancer2@my-dejanews.com> wrote:

>In article <6qthjs$l4v@newsops.execpc.com>,

>  "Silverthorn Wolf" <vmsmith@nospam.com> wrote:

>> Hi.

>> Is it usual for valarian root to smell really foul.

>

>Yep. Smells like used sweatsocks confined in a gym locker. 



I always thought it smelled more like perfumed manure.

My cats love it, too.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: Valerian Root- Cap. smells BAD!

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:19:02 GMT

--------

On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 21:06:26 -0500, "Silverthorn Wolf"

<vmsmith@nospam.com> wrote:



>Hi.

>Is it usual for valarian root to smell really foul.  I mean, I am taking it

>and I haven't had any bad effects, but everytime I open that bottle...WHEW!

>My cats go nuts over it though.  They tried chewing up the bottle to get

>into it. (The bottle was on the counter with my other pill bottles, which

>they leave alone, but they just go nuts over the stuff.)

>Thanks,

>Silverthorn Wolf



I bought a pound of valerian powder before I knew about its aroma and we

had to clear the house after I opened it. I stored it in the garage

after that and it still permeated the house on occasion. Then one day I

noticed that it wasn't there anymore and I concluded that my better half

had remanded it to the dumpster.

The interesting thing about the odor is that when it ages and becomes

very weak, it starts to smell good.

Paul





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Subject: Re: Valerian Root- Cap. smells BAD!

From: lsr@pb.net (LSR)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 05:52:42 GMT

--------

On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:23:38 GMT, netdancer2@my-dejanews.com wrote:



>In article <6qthjs$l4v@newsops.execpc.com>,

>  "Silverthorn Wolf" <vmsmith@nospam.com> wrote:

>> Hi.

>> Is it usual for valarian root to smell really foul.

>

><Snip>

>

>Yep. Smells like used sweatsocks confined in a gym locker. Imagine having to

>take it as tea. I -have-...it's incredibly foul. But it works, for all that.



IT sure does... I find that mixing it with some peppermint tea makes

it more tolerable....;-)

 I

>have noticed that cats seem mad for it, and will lick up small amounts

>of powdered Valerian and then exhibit signs of being intoxicated/relaxed.

>

My cats do the same thing...especially if I nuke the tea water in the

microwave....they say there is something in it similar to catnip...

amzing that something that is "calming" for humans has the opposite

effect on domestic felines ....









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Subject: Re: Valerian Root- Cap. smells BAD!

From: Thomas McClung <chip@mcclung.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:36:37 -0400

--------

Valerian is otherwise known as the 'Phew plant' and yes it is suppose to smell

real bad. I have a hard time keeping the plants growing because my cats dig

them up. Valerian mixed with catnip makes the ultimate cat toy and aphrodisiac

for kitties. They will drool all over the bag till you get disgusted. It makes

for really happy cats. The mixture is great for sleeping for humans. If you can

keep the stuff away from your cats.

Cathy



Silverthorn Wolf wrote:



> Hi.

> Is it usual for valarian root to smell really foul.  I mean, I am taking it

> and I haven't had any bad effects, but everytime I open that bottle...WHEW!

> My cats go nuts over it though.  They tried chewing up the bottle to get

> into it. (The bottle was on the counter with my other pill bottles, which

> they leave alone, but they just go nuts over the stuff.)

> Thanks,

> Silverthorn Wolf

>

> --

> vmsmith@execpc.com

> So if you're born again, does this mean you believe in reincarnation?

> To Reply: Change nospam to execpc

> Or just click on the e-mail address above (DUH!)

> Merry meet,  merry part,  merry meet again.

>







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Subject: herbal mask

From: "Lance  Barton" <Crunch20@email.msn.com>

Date: Wed, 12 Aug 1998 18:39:18 -0700

--------

Im seeking advice on how to make facial masks using herbs such as chickweed?









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Subject: RE:MaPickle...and Mint Syrup Recipe.

From: "Kim" <Kimbala@3n.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 03:33:15 GMT

--------

DGSABA

..how much would a "bunch" be for making mint syrup?  1 or 2 cups of mint?

 And can I use either spearmint or peppermint?  I had planted an herb

garden...and I do have Tarragon and Rosemary...plus sage, oregano, thyme,

basil and lemon balm.  I have plan on freezing these herbs but if you have

any ideas or suggestions...I'm game.  Thanks again, Kim



P.S.  I have been looking for wintergreen for the past 2 years and unable

to find any in my area.  Does anyone know where I can find some?







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Subject: Root growth stuff on herbs. Any ill effects?

From: Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 00:53:52 -0500

--------

When using a Root Growth formula from a garden store on an herb,

as I am stemming a few herbs right now, will this have any ill effects

on the chemicals of the plant and the EO of the plant in the future? As

the EO gives it it's smell that is why I ask, I do not distill. Also, if

there are no ill effects, which is the best to use or what are the names

of ones that you use? Many thanks, please private e-mail me.

 

-bahwi

email- bahwi@ technologist.com





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Subject: Re: Root growth stuff on herbs. Any ill effects?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:26:11 GMT

--------

Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> wrote:



>When using a Root Growth formula from a garden store on an herb,

>as I am stemming a few herbs right now, will this have any ill effects

>on the chemicals of the plant and the EO of the plant in the future?

  It's a naturally occuring hormone, isolated for use on

cuttings.  Some of them won't grow any other way.



>which is the best to use or what are the names

>of ones that you use? 

  The one I use is "Rootone" by Schultz.  Along with the hormone,

it containd Thiram (a fungicide) to prevent "damping off" - a

fungal disease that attacks cuttings.  Treat it 100% according to

the directions.





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Subject: Re: Looking for tips about medicinal herbs

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 13:21:37 GMT

--------

Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>Why should we move to other newsgroups? This is what never ceases to

>amaze me. It would help more people if they stuck to one NG, than

>jumping to 500 WWW-based NGs that eventually:

>

>* Move to another URL

>* Die

>* Never take off to begin with

  The objective of creating these web-based forums is to increase

traffic to a web site, thereby increasing traffic past the

products for sale. But you are right, most of them die off

because it's a lot fo work to keep them going.





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Subject: Commercial Herb Growers

From: "David E. McCAll" <demccall@nextdim.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 08:04:04 -0700

--------

I would like to contact any commercial herb growers on the list who would be

willing to answer a few questions.  I am getting set up to start a small

commercial growing venture for parsley and cilantro to supply a few of our

local wholesalers and would like to learn a little more about the commercial

culture of both herbs.



Thanks



David E McCall

Carbon Cycle Industries



demccall@nextdim.com











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Subject: Commercial Herb Growers

From: "David E. McCAll" <demccall@nextdim.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:57:44 -0700

--------

I would like to contact a few commercial herb growers who would be willing

to answer a couple of questions concerning the commercial production of

parsley and cilantro.  Please respond to the private e-mail

demccall@nextdim.com



David E McCall

Carbon Cycle Industries













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Subject: Edible Cilantro Gardens For Dummies?

From: meg@Steam.Stanford.EDU (Meg Worley)

Date: 13 Aug 1998 11:08:38 -0700

--------

Tyler writes:

>You're right. Cilantro will bolt if you breath hard on it. Does anybody

>know where it's grown in the summer? It's always at the grocery store

>(here at least).



Well, it's grown on my balcony, although I don't export to

major grocery distributors, just a few herbivorous pals.



I gather that it is particularly heat-sensitive.  My cilantro

is fat & sassy, but friends on the other side of the bay,

where it is rather warmer, can't keep it from bolting to

save their lives.



I've also got big happy trays of lettuce, despite the fact

that we broke our heat record yesterday (91, woo hoo!).





Rage away,



meg





-- 

meg@steam.stanford.edu   		Comparatively Literate			   





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Subject: worried about microscopic bugs

From: "countrylivin" <Countrylivin@mail.xvi.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:05:50 -0500

--------

What is the chance of getting intestinal parasites from herbs?  I have just

put out some sun tea with lemon balm in it and I washed the herb very well,

but I am still worried about ingesting microscopic bugs.

Thanks,

Cindy









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Subject: Re: worried about microscopic bugs

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 19:21:39 GMT

--------

"countrylivin" <Countrylivin@mail.xvi.net> wrote:



>What is the chance of getting intestinal parasites from herbs? 

  Unless you were fertilizing them with human feces or fresh

animal manure, or using ditch water, the chances are very slim.



> I have just put out some sun tea with lemon balm in it and 

> I washed the herb very well,

> but I am still worried about ingesting microscopic bugs.

  Between batches of sun tea, wash the jar and lid very

thoroughly in hot soapy water. 

  NEVER just add fresh herbs and re-incubate ... make one batch

at a time (use two jars if you drink a lot) and wash between

batches.

  Don't keep sun tea more than 48 hours (as if it ever lasts that

long)



There were a few cases of a nasty bacterial infection from a

cold-brewed commercial iced tea, but they weren't following the

brewing machine's instructions for cleaning daily, and the

bacteria got out of hand.







==========

Subject: lemon thyme tea?

From: "countrylivin" <Countrylivin@mail.xvi.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:07:11 -0500

--------

Is it possible to make tea with lemon thyme?



Thanks,

Cindy









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Subject: washing herbs for drying

From: "countrylivin" <Countrylivin@mail.xvi.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:26:18 -0500

--------

Please forgive my ignorance....I am new to growing herbs.  I am wondering if

I should wash my herbs before attempting to hang them to dry.  Or would this

cause molding?



Thanks,

Cindy









==========

Subject: Re: washing herbs for drying

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:57:12 GMT

--------

In article <6qvesf$qsn$1@news.megsinet.net>,

  "countrylivin" <Countrylivin@mail.xvi.net> wrote:

> Please forgive my ignorance....I am new to growing herbs.  I am wondering if

> I should wash my herbs before attempting to hang them to dry.  Or would this

> cause molding?

>

> Thanks,

> Cindy

>

>



That's a good question, really. So many people don't know how to dry herbs

properly-- most commercial herbs are ruined in the drying process. Some

people don't wash herbs before drying them (I myself don't if I'm harvesting

the morning after a rain, which I like to do), but you can.  Wash the herbs

whole, in cold water. This method will leech less of the water-soluble

vertues from the plant than if the herbs were cut or if hot water were used.

To prevent molding, hang the herbs in small bunches so that they'll dry

faster. DO NOT dry them in an oven or in direct sunlight, as heat and light

can destroy the vertues of the plant. For many herbs, some discoloration is

normal. For other herbs there will be only minimal discoloration.



bentley



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Subject: Seizures

From: "Mike Brooks" <m-brooks@hit.net>

Date: 13 Aug 1998 21:18:31 GMT

--------

Last week our 10 year old Scottie began having seizures.  Need help with

possible herbs or herbal combinations that anyone has had success with. 

She weighs about 20 lbs.  Any other info would be appreciated as well.



Thanks,



Mike







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Subject: Re: Seizures

From: magus@cet.com (==Gene Poole==)

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 15:04:49 -0800

--------

In article <01bdc6ff$d4d91ac0$84aafcce@mikebroo>, "Mike Brooks"

<m-brooks@hit.net> wrote:



}Last week our 10 year old Scottie began having seizures.  Need help with

}possible herbs or herbal combinations that anyone has had success with. 

}She weighs about 20 lbs.  Any other info would be appreciated as well.

}

}Thanks,

}

}Mike



OK...



supplement diet with lots of STEAM-STERILIZED BEEF BONE-MEAL (agricultural

is fine and cheap), put into food.  The more the better.



Create 'B&B Tincture' and infuse directly into brain via ears:



Equal parts by weight or volume:



Black Cohosh root (C/S or powder)

Blue Cohosh root     "

Scullcap herb            "

Blue Vervain herb

Lobelia herb              "



Macerate (soak) above mix, well covered with 100-proof vodka, in a sealed

glass jar, in the dark, for 14 days. 



Filter and store in sealed brown glass:



Sedative, antispasmodic, anodyne, anti-seizure medicine (for mammals,

including humans)



Put 5-20 drops into each ear, at least once per day.



No promises. 



Seizures in dogs MAY mean serious parasite problems...see a vet for that!



Good luck...



==Gene Poole==



-- 

Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance





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Subject: Re: Seizures

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 01:45:57 GMT

--------



>Put 5-20 drops into each ear, at least once per day.

>No promises. 

>Seizures in dogs MAY mean serious parasite problems...see a vet for that!



The program written by Gene sounds good.  I would add to use a good

food like Solid Gold along with the sea meal supplement (available at

some pet shops - have to call around) and then concentrate on

the antiparasitics.  Although it will almost surely _cause_ a seizure

or two initially, _I_ would immediately put my dog on worm medicine,

using pyrantel pomoate and piperazine adipate, using pyrantel

initially, two weeks later piperazine, and continuing on alternating

every two weeks.  These are available in pet shops.  Alternately,

herbal antiparasitics can be used, but it is tough to get dogs

to eat therapeutic amounts of bitter herbs.



turf











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Subject: Re: Seizures

From: "Deb" <thomasclan@earthlink.net>

Date: 15 Aug 1998 05:34:05 GMT

--------

My dog had seizures when I was a child, for no one told me it was dangerous

to share my chocolate with my dog. The chocolate can cause seizures or even

death. Everyone probably knows this now, but just in case...

Arkansas Deb



==Gene Poole== <magus@cet.com> wrote in article

<magus-ya02408000R1308981504490001@nntp.cet.com>...

> In article <01bdc6ff$d4d91ac0$84aafcce@mikebroo>, "Mike Brooks"

> <m-brooks@hit.net> wrote:

> 

> }Last week our 10 year old Scottie began having seizures.  Need help with

> }possible herbs or herbal combinations that anyone has had success with. 

> }She weighs about 20 lbs.  Any other info would be appreciated as well.

> }

> }Thanks,

> }

> }Mike

> 

> OK...

> 

> supplement diet with lots of STEAM-STERILIZED BEEF BONE-MEAL

(agricultural

> is fine and cheap), put into food.  The more the better.

> 

> Create 'B&B Tincture' and infuse directly into brain via ears:

> 

> Equal parts by weight or volume:

> 

> Black Cohosh root (C/S or powder)

> Blue Cohosh root     "

> Scullcap herb            "

> Blue Vervain herb

> Lobelia herb              "

> 

> Macerate (soak) above mix, well covered with 100-proof vodka, in a sealed

> glass jar, in the dark, for 14 days. 

> 

> Filter and store in sealed brown glass:

> 

> Sedative, antispasmodic, anodyne, anti-seizure medicine (for mammals,

> including humans)

> 

> Put 5-20 drops into each ear, at least once per day.

> 

> No promises. 

> 

> Seizures in dogs MAY mean serious parasite problems...see a vet for that!

> 

> Good luck...

> 

> ==Gene Poole==

> 

> -- 

> Primate hardwiring includes its own transcendance

> 





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Subject: Smoking and Herbs

From: "TNT" <TNT@disknet.com>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 17:33:20 -0400

--------

I have a friend who wants to quit smoking and wants to know if there are any

herbs that acts like the nicorette gum or patches.



Can anyone help?



Teresa











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Subject: Re: Smoking and Herbs

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 14 Aug 1998 14:27:07 GMT

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You friend might want to try some calming teas --



Celestial Seasonings has a tea called "Tension Tamer" which among other herbs

contains Ginseng which shoul act to helo keep her calm but also give her a mild

energy boost as goin off cigarettes can make you tired in the beginning



Other choices are peppermint, Camomile -- a blend can be very tasty and

effective 



Something else is that she will find that she needs to keep her hands and mouth

occupied -- sucking hard candy, doddling, and Ive been told Lollipops are very

helpful --- 



I wish her LUCK









Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

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Subject: Re: Smoking and Herbs

From: "TNT" <TNT@disknet.com>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 16:30:37 -0400

--------

Does these also curb the craving for caffine?



Are there any herbs that do curb cravings for caffine and sugars such as

soft drinks?



Teresa











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Subject: Re: Smoking and Herbs

From: mtmama@pcweb.net (Janet P. and Dawson)

Date: 27 Aug 1998 14:44:54 GMT

--------

Lobilia tincture is helpful as it is chemicaly similar to nicotine but NOT

nicotine. It fools the body though and helps cut down on the craving. You

can't really make a tea out of it as it tastes terrible. (like a dirty

ashtray). I've even smoked it as a way to quit and it worked for awhile.

(I eventually backslided) Your friend should do anything possible to

quit,even if it mans the patch (heaven forbid) That's what I had to do.

But I was a tough case. Lobilia can help though.  Jan



In article <8d7ce$111f10.251@NEWS2>, "TNT" <TNT@disknet.com> wrote:



> I have a friend who wants to quit smoking and wants to know if there are any

> herbs that acts like the nicorette gum or patches.

> 

> Can anyone help?

> 

> Teresa





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Subject: Medicinal uses of Cyclamens

From: "A Stephenson" <a.stephenson@virgin.net>

Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 22:33:47 +0100

--------

Has anyone got any info on the uses of cyclamens? I have some from the

cyclamens society but am keen to get more.









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Subject: Largest Blessed Thistle I've ever seen!

From: "Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:01:17 -0000

--------

We started a herb garden this year and one of the herbs we have is the

Blessed Thistle, it's real big too! As of now it stands over 8 feet tall and

about 4 feet in diameter. The plant has not bloomed yet. Does anybody have a

herb plant as big as mine?  >> What color will the flowers be? And does

anybody know of any history uses of this big plant?









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Subject: Re: Largest Blessed Thistle I've ever seen!

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:17:18 GMT

--------

On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:01:17 -0000, "Richard M LaFrance"

<HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net> wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>We started a herb garden this year and one of the herbs we have is the

>Blessed Thistle, it's real big too! As of now it stands over 8 feet tall and

>about 4 feet in diameter. The plant has not bloomed yet. Does anybody have a

>herb plant as big as mine?  What color will the flowers be? And does

>anybody know of any history uses of this big plant?



I don't think you've got blessed thistle there - Cnicus benedictus is a

ground-hugging plant with yellow flowers with a crown of thorns.

Picture of blessed thistle here:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/london/cnicbene.jpg.



You might have Silybum marianum, or milk thistle, with characteristic white

markings on the leaves, flowering with large light purple thistleflowers.

Pictures of milk thistle here:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/berlin/silymari.jpg and silymar1.jpg.



Milk thistle is a liver herb; you use the seeds.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Re: Largest Blessed Thistle I've ever seen!

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:57:15 GMT

--------

On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 15:17:18 GMT, HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

wrote:



>You might have Silybum marianum, or milk thistle, with characteristic white

>markings on the leaves, flowering with large light purple thistleflowers.

>Pictures of milk thistle here:

>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/berlin/silymari.jpg and silymar1.jpg.

>

>Milk thistle is a liver herb; you use the seeds.

>

>Cheers

>Henriette



Henriette;

Do you happen to have any information available on how to prepare the

seeds, or do you just thresh and grind them into a meal?

Thanks;

Paul





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Subject: Re: Largest Blessed Thistle I've ever seen!

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 07:11:19 GMT

--------

On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 19:57:15 GMT, sorry@nospam.com (PTM) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Do you happen to have any information available on how to prepare the

>seeds, or do you just thresh and grind them into a meal?



Milk thistle (Silybum marianum) seeds: wait until they are mature (there is lots

of fluff on top of the flowerhead), bend upside-down over a bucket and stir in

the flowerhead with a gloved finger - the seeds and some fluff will fall down.

Note however, that these plants are -spiny-. 

The fluff is easy to get rid of; try e.g. to roll the seeds over a towel, or

throwing them in the air in a nice breeze.



You want the inner coat of the seeds, but you don't want the seed to

deteriorate, so you store it whole and crush it up in eg. a coffee grinder just

before you use it.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: What are the  function of Herbs?

From: Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 00:03:39 -0500

--------

Richard M LaFrance wrote:

> 

> Can any body help me with this!



Depends on which herbs you wish. Ginseng does alot, mainly gives energy.

Mugwort causes vivid dreams, peppermint gets rid of headaches, helps

digestion, and other things. etc. etc. etc. for a lot of herbs even ones

I do not know about.



-bahwi





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Subject: Re: What are the  function of Herbs?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:44:48 GMT

--------

"Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net> wrote:



>Can any body help me with this!

  depends on which herb you are talking about.  I suggest you

find a post by Henriette Kress and look at the FAQs she mentions

in her signature .... she lists a lot of culinary andmedicinal

uses.





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Subject: Re: What are the  function of Herbs?

From: "Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:48:37 -0000

--------

Thank You for all the help and advice. Went to the library and found a good

book on medicinal herbs although they stated herbs as natures perfect food

most people believe they are medicines. Here is what I found.  It seems easy

as ABC     A - to Activate   B - to Build  C - to Cleanse



Thank You again for the help.



God Bless



Richard M LaFrance wrote in message

<6r0bqq$9cm4$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...

>Can any body help me with this!

>

>









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Subject: Re: What are the  function of Herbs?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:46:33 GMT

--------

On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:48:37 -0000, "Richard M LaFrance"

<HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net> wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Thank You for all the help and advice. Went to the library and found a good

>book on medicinal herbs although they stated herbs as natures perfect food

>most people believe they are medicines. Here is what I found.  It seems easy

>as ABC     A - to Activate   B - to Build  C - to Cleanse



Sure yes. Take enough Lobelia and watch your nausea build up - It's Not That

Simple.



Different herbs have different uses. ANY book which tells you that herbs are

harmless is dangerous. If you talk about spices, yes, those are -generally-

harmless. Not in large doses however.



The function of herbs is to continue their line; ensuring the survival of the

plants and/or their seeds against an environment with bugs and more or less

adverse climates.

All and any medicinal, culinary and other benefits we get from wild herbs are

just byproducts of that.



Henriette

 

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Subject: Re: What are the  function of Herbs?

From: Thomas McClung <chip@mcclung.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:42:28 -0400

--------

I have a web page with a great search engine check it out. To post every

herb here and it's function would be insane. www.efxweb.com/southernwood



Richard M LaFrance wrote:



> Can any body help me with this!

>









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Subject: Herb for Maniac Depression?

From: "Dawn" <dlindsay@eagle-net.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:19:42 -0000

--------

Lithium?  (I'm not sure I spelled it right.)  Is what there going to my

friend on is there something else that would help her?











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Subject: Re: Herb for Maniac Depression?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 13:58:49 GMT

--------

"Dawn" <dlindsay@eagle-net.net> wrote:



>Lithium?  (I'm not sure I spelled it right.)  Is what there going to my

>friend on is there something else that would help her?

  Manic depression is caused by a different biochemical imbalance

(actually an oscillation) than depression.  At the moment,

lithium is the only thing that I know of.



  The general basics: moderate diet, exercise, and plenty of

sleep always help.





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Subject: Re: Herb for Maniac Depression?

From: "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H." <skip@netins.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:41:49 -0500

--------

I agree with the advice below.  I know of a *very good* herbal formula that

may help heal the brain and keep you friend on a n even keel.  It is called

Protrac.  You can find information, ordering and other, at

http://www.drchristopher.com

Best of luck

Leslie Adams, M.H.



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <35d4424a.12434769@news.primenet.com>...

>"Dawn" <dlindsay@eagle-net.net> wrote:

>

>>Lithium?  (I'm not sure I spelled it right.)  Is what there going to my

>>friend on is there something else that would help her?

>  Manic depression is caused by a different biochemical imbalance

>(actually an oscillation) than depression.  At the moment,

>lithium is the only thing that I know of.

>

>  The general basics: moderate diet, exercise, and plenty of

>sleep always help.









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Subject: Re: Herb for Maniac Depression?

From: rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com (R. Saylor)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 14:18:49 GMT

--------

On Fri, 14 Aug 1998 08:19:42 -0000, "Dawn" <dlindsay@eagle-net.net>

wrote:



>Lithium?  (I'm not sure I spelled it right.)  Is what there going to my

>friend on is there something else that would help her?

>

>



A healthy lifestyle/diet might minimize some of the unwanted side

effects of the lithium. Alcoholic beverages are a no-no for anyone

with this disorder.



By the way, for some reason "manic-depressive" is usually called

"bipolar" nowadays. Maybe too many people were confusing "manic" with

"maniac." ;)



Richard S.







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Subject: Re: Herb for Maniac Depression?

From: a31960@aol.com (A31960)

Date: 14 Aug 1998 19:37:17 GMT

--------

2 people I know w/this prob are on depakote, which seems to do the trick

moodwise but makes their hair fall out (temporarily) and they both put on

weight





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Subject: Re: What is the correct herbal doseage for body weight?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 10:45:19 GMT

--------

"Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net> wrote:



>Can anybody help me with this!

  Again, it depends on which herb ... you have to give us more

information.







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Subject: Re: What is the correct herbal doseage for body weight?

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 14 Aug 1998 14:24:36 GMT

--------

regarding prepared herbs in the stores ie pills extracts etc. they are usually

using a 150 lb person as a guideline so maybe that will help you make

adjustments to fit yr own situation



a Good herbal that covers dosaging info is



The MAster Book of Herbalism by Paul Beryl.





in addition read up on any herb u decide to take -- some herbs are not designed

to be takend daily ie Echincea is best taken in patterns of time on and time

off



Valerian tea cannot be taken nightly



etc. and so on



remember you have to think about all the possible effects and side effects just

as when a Medical Dr perscribes a drug -- you are being your own Dr and

Pharmacist -- do th research





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

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To: herbalnook@prodigy.net

Subject: Re: What is the correct herbal doseage for body weight?

From: traveling_fool@iname.com

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 16:02:55 GMT

--------

In article <6r0c0b$aad8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>,

  "Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net> wrote:

> Can anybody help me with this!



As with drugs, I have found that the correct dosage has little to do with body

weight.  Instead, it has to do with tolerance and your personal body

composition.  Trial and error is the way to go to find your theraputic dose.

Always start small and work your way up.  Good luck!

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Subject: Re: What is the correct herbal doseage for body weight?

From: "Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:40:06 -0000

--------

Thank You for all the help, went to the library and found some good info on

proper usage of herbs in capsule form. It states 1 capsule for each 25 lbs..

of body weight. Also it talked about ATC (Ancient traditional Concepts)



Thanks again & God Bless



Richard M LaFrance wrote in message

<6r0c0b$aad8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...

>Can anybody help me with this!

>

>









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Subject: Re: What is the correct herbal doseage for body weight?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 05:42:52 GMT

--------

On Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:40:06 -0000, "Richard M LaFrance"

<HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net> wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>Thank You for all the help, went to the library and found some good info on

>proper usage of herbs in capsule form. It states 1 capsule for each 25 lbs..

>of body weight. Also it talked about ATC (Ancient traditional Concepts)



That is plain silly. 

- You have no idea how much herb is pushed into one capsule; 

- you can't say just how old it was when it was put there

- different herbs need different dosages

- and you didn't even say 0 or 00 capsules.



Different herbs need different dosages. Period.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: What is the correct herbal doseage for body weight?

From: "CHARLES TILLIE" <CWTILLIE@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 17 Aug 1998 20:08:59 GMT

--------

I've studied herbs for over ten years and for most people If you are using

loose herbs is to take 2 teaspoons to a cup of water. Depending on the herb

some you take 3 times a day others once a day. you did not mention what herb

you are using. If an extract follow the instructions on the bottle.

Richard M LaFrance wrote in message

<6r0c0b$aad8$1@newssvr04-int.news.prodigy.com>...

>Can anybody help me with this!

>

>









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Subject: period and the pill

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 09:31:39 -0700

--------

My ex's girlfriend went on the pill to regulate her period and reduce

the assoc. discomfort, but the pill makes her real sick.  Could you

please recommed some herbs to regulate her period?  Her stomach is real

touchy too, so she can't take stuff that's too harsh, ie Cayenne.

Thanks. june







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Subject: Re: period and the pill

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:52:11 -0700

--------

Dong Quai is excellent for those types of problems, but remember that no

herbal adivice should ever take the place of a physicians advise.  Has she

bee tested for endometriosis?  It is fairly common among women.  Another

thing that could make her tender is if she has an inverted uterous, or

cysts.

HOLLIDAY wrote in message <35D4666A.4EA8D941@nep.net>...

>My ex's girlfriend went on the pill to regulate her period and reduce

>the assoc. discomfort, but the pill makes her real sick.  Could you

>please recommed some herbs to regulate her period?  Her stomach is real

>touchy too, so she can't take stuff that's too harsh, ie Cayenne.

>Thanks. june

>









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Subject: Re: period and the pill

From: ravinamk@aol.com (RAVI NAM K)

Date: 18 Aug 1998 06:02:10 GMT

--------

>Could you

>please recommed some herbs to regulate her period? 



I believe evening primrose oil can help with this.





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Subject: Re: period and the pill

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 11:29:03 -0700

--------





HOLLIDAY wrote:



> My ex's girlfriend went on the pill to regulate her period and reduce

> the assoc. discomfort, but the pill makes her real sick.  Could you

> please recommed some herbs to regulate her period?  Her stomach is real

> touchy too, so she can't take stuff that's too harsh, ie Cayenne.

> Thanks. june



  I would think that if the pill was making her "real sick" she shouldn't

be on it, or at least not that brand at that dosage....



The pill made me cry for days at a time.



I am using natural progesterone cream - it regulates my cycle to a normal

28 days and banished PMS totally.  She might want to look into this,

although progesterone is also what fertility clinics use and one should use

birth control with it if pregnancy is not desired.



I get mine by prescription from a pharmacy, but brands like Pro-Gest are

available over the web (unless you are in Canada, which I understand has

banned it in all their idiotic wisdom).







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Subject: Do herbs have side effects?

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 17:01:37 GMT

--------

I've noticed that a good number of people on this group and others like it

have discussed the issue of whether or not herbs and other natural medicines

have side effects. As an herbalist with many years of experience and a very

extensive, real-world oriented educational background, I'd like to comment:



                  YES, HERBS HAVE SIDE EFFECTS!



For example, say you drink too much ginseng extract. For most people, that

will raise blisters on the mouth, possibly cause bloody stools, and generally

thin out the body's membranes. For some people, that will happen with a small

amount of ginseng.  Once, some folks I know were worried because their babe

slept all the time. When asked if they were giving him any sort of

medication, they replied innocently that they had just been giving him some

safe, natural tincture of chamomile to help with the pain from cutting teeth.

Alcohol+Chamomile = sleep. But it did keep his teeth from hurting him!



  Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to say that herbal medicine doesn't

work. I believe, and it has been my experience, that herbal medicine can work

far better and more gently than industrial medicine-- what a neurologist

might fix with major surgery, an herbalist might fix with feverfew or

Solomon's seal. And the economic and political pressures which drive much of

the action of the medical industrial complex are not there for the herbalist

with a small practice. But to assume that  because herbs are natural, they

are totally safe, is erroneous and (if you actually practice herbal healing)

dangerous.



  You see, herbs are very complex. Every herb contains various

vertues--active constituents which, under the present scientific paradigm,

are thought of as chemicals with names like Tannin and Atropine and Saffrole.

Most, if not all, herbs do more than one thing (such as stimulate the CNS and

constrict the blood vessels). So if you gave Wormwood tincture to a depressed

person with high blood pressure, you might alleviate their depression, but

you would most likely increase their blood pressure as well. So it might be

better for that person to use a different herb, such as Oregano or marjoram,

which would lower the blood pressure as well as alleviating depression. 

Furthermore, one thing which is widely ignored by most novice and commercial

herbalists is the fact that the menstruum (the substance being used to

extract the vertues from the plant) should work in harmony with the vertues

it extracts. So alcohol, a visceral muscle relaxer, should not be used in the

preparation of a medicament made to stop diarrhea. If it is, the preparation

might still work, but not as well as if all the parts worked together. See

what I'm saying?  One last thing I'd like to say before I get off my soapbox

is that just because someone uses herbs doesn't mean they're practicing

holistic medicine. Many herbal products and remedies out there are purely for

symptomatic relief. The most common one in America would be using coffee to

alleviate drowsiness. So just because someone uses herbs, doesn't mean they

use them mindfully.



bentley





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Subject: Re: Medicinal Uses of Cyclamen

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 14 Aug 98 17:15:40 GMT

--------

A Stephenson <a.stephenson@virgin.net> wrote:

>Any one got any info?



According to John Lust's Herb Book, even small doses of cyclamen

are poisonous to humans.  Pliny the Elder reported its use as

a poison for arrowheads.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Cascara & IBS

From: Ian Sutton <swbooks@iwl.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 12:20:30 -0500

--------

I have a few little questions about cascara.

1. If cascara works just like an OTC laxative, is used in OTC laxatives,

& is just as addicting as OTCs, what is the benefit of using it over,

say, ExLax?

2. Why, pray tell, is cascara not meant to be used in people w/IBS? An

article on Yahoo's Vitamins & Herbs news section says people w/IBS (&

other disorders) shouldn't use it. Why is that exactly? We can use other

laxatives (so long as we don't get hooked). And I have IBS & I used it &

I'm still here.

Another question: Does anyone know of anything else that can help get

things "moving" besides fiber & laxatives? I take psyllium everyday but

was still kinda "slow" for a little over a week. Is there anything else

that works & is safe & nonaddicting? Thanks.

P.S. Please don't send any mail to the above address! It's not mine.

Mine is:

rush_rulz@yahoo.com

Ann







==========

Subject: Re: Cascara & IBS

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:12:26 GMT

--------

Ian Sutton <swbooks@iwl.net> wrote:



>I have a few little questions about cascara.

>1. If cascara works just like an OTC laxative, is used in OTC laxatives,

>& is just as addicting as OTCs, what is the benefit of using it over,

>say, ExLax?

  YOu can tell yourself that it's "natural"



>2. Why, pray tell, is cascara not meant to be used in people w/IBS?

  It is a VERY HARSH laxative, the biological equivalent of

DRANO, and can cause muscle spasms ... probably the last thing

anyone with irritable body parts should use.



>And I have IBS & I used it & I'm still here.

  





>Another question: Does anyone know of anything else that can help get

>things "moving" besides fiber & laxatives? I take psyllium everyday but

>was still kinda "slow" for a little over a week. Is there anything else

>that works & is safe & nonaddicting? Thanks.

  Exercise ... brisk walking stimulates peristalsis.

  Massage ... thorough abdominal massage stimulates peristalsis

  Diet change ... eat MUCH more high-fiber fruits and vegetables,

either raw or slightly coooked.  for example, instead of

applesauce, eat the apple, skin and all.





==========

Subject: Re: Cascara & IBS

From: "Deb" <thomasclan@earthlink.net>

Date: 17 Aug 1998 01:22:28 GMT

--------

Have you tried Swedish Bitters?



Ian Sutton <swbooks@iwl.net> wrote in article

<35D471DE.D9DEB861@iwl.net>...

 Does anyone know of anything else that can help get

> things "moving" besides fiber & laxatives? I take psyllium everyday but

> was still kinda "slow" for a little over a week. Is there anything else

> that works & is safe & nonaddicting? Thanks.

> P.S. Please don't send any mail to the above address! It's not mine.

> Mine is:

> rush_rulz@yahoo.com

> Ann

> 

> 





==========

Subject: Re: Cascara & IBS

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 19 Aug 1998 04:12:33 GMT

--------

> I take psyllium everyday

>S> but was still kinda "slow" for a little over a week.



Many people don't know this, but psyllium can work in reverse, as a plug, if

not used correctly. It must have lots of water. So, if you use psyllium, drink,

drink, drink. :) (And of course, don't go the other extreme and overdo it.)



<3

Pari







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Subject: Re: kidney herbs

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:27:43 GMT

--------

Judy <critterz@concentric.net> wrote:



>Which herbs are most beneficial for kidney disease?



>Harder question:  Which brand/type of herb is best suited?



For general cleansing purpose, I use Planetary Formula's 

Stone Free, widely available

at herb shops.  If there is any pain associate with the 

disorder that this does not treat, use Nature's Herbs Marshmallow

Combination along with it (and decrease dose by half of

each).  Ensure at least 100% RDA magnesium, calcium,

potassium, selenium and up to 100% RDA sodium when

taking diuretics.



turf







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Subject: Re: kidney herbs

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 22:24:56 -0700

--------

for infection I use a combination of yarrow and white willow bark in a tea

drink 6 cups per day.  Infection should be gone in two days.  I also drink

cranberry juice inbetween.  The brand of bulk herbs I prefer is frontier.

Unless, of course you are in tx then I reccomend scorpio herbs.

Judy wrote in message <35D3AA7F.4D9D@concentric.net>...

>Which herbs are most beneficial for kidney disease?

>

>Harder question:  Which brand/type of herb is best suited?









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Subject: Re: Good herbs for tea and tips on teas.

From: MaryAnne Long <malong@lava.net>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 18:28:48 -1000

--------

Bahwi wrote:

> 

> What are some good herbs for teas that provide taste, besides lemon

> anything and anything mint? Also, what are some general tips on making

> teas? I know how to make an infusion, but not a tea, I think it is

> pretty much the same. Also, anything else you might want to tell me

> about teas and herbs for teas, tell me. Many thanks, please CC: me in

> your reply. Thanks.

> 



I pour boiling water over a few thin slices of ginger root, and add a

dash of cinnamon.  Tastes good to me.



Aloha,



MaryAnne





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Subject: Re: Good herbs for tea and tips on teas.

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:45:35 -0700

--------

To add flavor to any tea, you can use mint, licorice root, marshmallow root,

red rasberry, hibiscus, rose hips, chammomile, and many fruits(like apple,

mango, peach, etc.)  Another method I have known some beginners to use is to

make an infusion of the herb using apple juice instead of water.  I havev't

done this, but that is the only way a friend of mine will drink any type of

herb.  I also have some recipies for teas and instructions on my

site:HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow/apothecary.htm

Good Luck and Brightest Blessings

Jean wrote in message <6r580h$9nv$1@news2.alpha.net>...

>Well, on this subject...I just got some red clover in bulk form and am

>making a tea with it..., this is my first try with herbs out of the bucket

> bulk form ). I've been reading about all the good things having to do with

>redclover and well...tried the tea but help me with the taste please!!!

>What can I add to it to make it or any other tea a bit more tastea???

>

>Thank you in advance!!!!

>

>smilin,

>jean

>To exchange ideas, goods,

>money or time, is to acknowledge

>prosperity in my life.

>

>Bahwi wrote in message <35D502BD.6A32E2AC@technologist.com>...

>>What are some good herbs for teas that provide taste, besides lemon

>>anything and anything mint? Also, what are some general tips on making

>>teas? I know how to make an infusion, but not a tea, I think it is

>>pretty much the same. Also, anything else you might want to tell me

>>about teas and herbs for teas, tell me. Many thanks, please CC: me in

>>your reply. Thanks.

>>

>>-bahwi

>>"Magenta:   And our world...will do the Time Warp...again!"

>>        -RHPS

>

>









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Subject: Re: Good herbs for tea and tips on teas.

From: Sky <s1025459@admiral.umsl.edu>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 10:57:27 -0500

--------

My hubby was out of capsules of SJW a while back, but we had some in

dried herb form, so I brewed up some tea.  I tasted it out of curiosity,

I like it!  When I feel a cold coming on I'll mix SJW & sage to brew up,

tastier than any over the counter cold remedy I've ever tried!



Peace,

Sky







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Subject: Re: Good herbs for tea and tips on teas.

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 16:47:47 GMT

--------

In article <6r45ou$a7g$1@news3.alpha.net>,

  "Jean" <vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> wrote:

> Well, on this subject...I just got some red clover in bulk form and am

> making a tea with it..., this is my first try with herbs out of the bucket

>  bulk form ). I've been reading about all the good things having to do with

> redclover and well...tried the tea but help me with the taste please!!!

> What can I add to it to make it or any other tea a bit more tastea???

>

> Thank you in advance!!!!

>

Honey is a good traditional additive. As with anything, if you're using it for

medicine you have to be aware of the medicinal properties of what you're

adding. So licorice, for example,  might be a good sweetener, but not for

someone with extremely high blood pressure.



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Subject: quitting smoking

From: "M. Roantree" <mroantree@intouch.bc.ca>

Date: Fri, 14 Aug 1998 21:55:23 -0700

--------

I quit smoking today. HELP! I was wondering about any herbs that might 

help with the withdrawl and/or something that is more generally used for 

detoxifying the body. Thanks.



Maureen









==========

Subject: Re: quitting smoking

From: Thomas McClung <chip@mcclung.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:04:46 -0400

--------

Kava works well with the withdrawl symptoms. They have and still are

conducting studies of the herbs use in re-hab clinics. You can purchase Kava

everywhere now with all the publicity it has been recieving. I have taken

the Herb for 3 years with breaks in between of course. I found nothing

better naturally for anxiety and stress. Thats me though. Try it and see how

you feel.



M. Roantree wrote:



> I quit smoking today. HELP! I was wondering about any herbs that might

> help with the withdrawl and/or something that is more generally used for

> detoxifying the body. Thanks.

>

> Maureen

>







==========

Subject: Herb Q's

From: BrownThumb <brownthumb@REMOVETHISGrrAttitude.com>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 01:23:18 -0700

--------

I read in _Edible and _Useful Plants of _California that 

a village of Oneida Indians cured themselves of dysentery

while their white neighbors died of it, using a tea made from

blackberry roots.



Does anybody know this remedy?  Is it actually a common-style

root bark infusion, or something else?  There was also a comment

that this remedy was widely-used by Northern California Indians.



Also, I have found that making an infusion of raspberry leaf tea,

from bags, is sweet (unlike the tea) and a good PMS mood-calmer.

Would this apply to blackberry leaves as well?  And would it work

with Rubus Ursinius, or only Himalayan Blackberry?



Also also, in a survivalist magazine I came across a reference that

tea (did they mean infusion, again?) of year-old Cascara Sagrada

bark can be replaced with Coffeeberry bark. (Rhamnus Purshiana

vs. Rhamnus Californica, if I remember correctly)...does anybody

know if the same aging rules apply and if it's tea or infusion.



I figure between the two, I'd have digestive problems for geezers

handled.  Too bad my area of California doesn't really have enough

water to support asian ginger...then I'd have nausea handled, too.



------------------------------------------------------------------



We are honor-bound to follow our best, most honest, humble, guess about 

what is right and true.         --me--  (Jan Parcel)





==========

Subject: Re: Herb Q's

From: docjim@doitnow.com (Jim Gyer)

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 18:50:33 GMT

--------

Others please correct as needed.



From "The Healing Herbs" by Michael Castleman:



Blackberry: parts used - leaves, bark, roots, fruit

rubus fruticosus (European), r. villosus (American)

also known as bramble, dewberry, goutberry



    NOT FOR CHILDREN UNDER 2

    OLDER PEOPLE START WITH LOW STRENGTH AND INCREASE

    USE DURING PREGNANCY IS DISCOURAGED

    CAN CAUSE GASTRIC DISTRESS, NAUSEA, VOMITING

    LIMIT USE TO TWO WEEKS



infusion: 2-3 teaspoons dried leaves per cup of boiling water, steep 10-20

minutes, add bit of milk, drink up to 3 cups per day

alternates: handful crushed berries (dried or fresh), 1 teaspoon dried

powdered bark



decoction: 1 teaspoon powdered root per cup water, boil 30 min, drink up to 1

cup per day.  Add milk.



tincture: up to two teaspoons per day

a tincture is made with 198 proof alcohol, 100 proof vodka or brandy.  1 ounce

crushed dried herb steeped in 5 ounce distilled spirit for six weeks.



tannin is ingredient, tannin is an astringent, THERE ARE OPEN HEALTH

QUESTIONS, milk neutralizes tannin

tannin is found most in root, then leaves, least in fruit.

tannin is used externally for wounds/minor bleeding (tinture or infusion),

hemorrhoids, mouth sores, burns and scalds.

====================================================

From "Field Guide to Medicinal Wild Plants' by Bradford Angier:



"Juice and wine made from the berries is still used in Apalachia to combat

diarrhia."

"... early Americans sometimes combined it with honey and alum to tighten

loose teeth."

"... Indians and pioneers to lessen the menstrual flow without suddnely ending

it entirely."

Virtually the same statement is made about the 500 Oneida Indians all

recovering.

=====================================================

I think I recall reading some where (a Donnor pass book or article) about a

treatment involving just salt, sugar, and boiled water that could have saved

countless pioneers from this if they only knew about it.  Anyone able to

fill??

=====================================================

BrownThumb <brownthumb@REMOVETHISGrrAttitude.com> wrote:



>I read in _Edible and _Useful Plants of _California that 

>a village of Oneida Indians cured themselves of dysentery

>while their white neighbors died of it, using a tea made from

>blackberry roots.

>

>Does anybody know this remedy?  Is it actually a common-style

>root bark infusion, or something else?  There was also a comment

>that this remedy was widely-used by Northern California Indians.

>

>Also, I have found that making an infusion of raspberry leaf tea,

>from bags, is sweet (unlike the tea) and a good PMS mood-calmer.

>Would this apply to blackberry leaves as well?  And would it work

>with Rubus Ursinius, or only Himalayan Blackberry?

>

>Also also, in a survivalist magazine I came across a reference that

>tea (did they mean infusion, again?) of year-old Cascara Sagrada

>bark can be replaced with Coffeeberry bark. (Rhamnus Purshiana

>vs. Rhamnus Californica, if I remember correctly)...does anybody

>know if the same aging rules apply and if it's tea or infusion.

>

>I figure between the two, I'd have digestive problems for geezers

>handled.  Too bad my area of California doesn't really have enough

>water to support asian ginger...then I'd have nausea handled, too.

>

>------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>We are honor-bound to follow our best, most honest, humble, guess about 

>what is right and true.         --me--  (Jan Parcel)





Jim Gyer KC7RKL docjim@doitnow.com

==================================

As a rule, dogs can not be trusted to watch your food.





==========

Subject: Re: Herb Q's

From: BrownThumb <brownthumb@REMOVETHISGrrAttitude.com>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 15:51:44 -0700

--------

Jim Gyer wrote:



>     NOT FOR CHILDREN UNDER 2

>     OLDER PEOPLE START WITH LOW STRENGTH AND INCREASE

>     USE DURING PREGNANCY IS DISCOURAGED

>     CAN CAUSE GASTRIC DISTRESS, NAUSEA, VOMITING

>     LIMIT USE TO TWO WEEKS

This is odd.  Raspberry leaf infusion is used for pregnant women

for calmness and to encourage milk production...and it's a close

relative.  Maybe there's just enough differece...



> "... early Americans sometimes combined it with honey and alum to tighten

> loose teeth."



i.e. cure scurvy.  Orange juice does that for us now.





> I think I recall reading some where (a Donnor pass book or article) about a

> treatment involving just salt, sugar, and boiled water that could have saved

> countless pioneers from this if they only knew about it.  Anyone able to

> fill??



Any parenting book will have the recipe.  It's been known for years

and years.  It's essentially homemade pedialyte.  Gatorade and

consumme also work for this.  But it doesn't stop diarrhea.  What

stops the "runs" is avoiding food (and milk or acidic juice) plus time. 

What the water, sugar, strageic salts recipe does is keep you alive 

while you can't take anything else in, and since stomach or intestinal

illnesses often kill by salt depletion as well as dehydration,

water is not enough.



Right now I can't find _The_ _Doctors'_ _Book_ _Of_ _Home_ _Remedies_,

or my Dr. Spock......time to clean house.  Can somebody post?

(or you might find it at a parenting web site)

------------------------------------------------------------------



We are honor-bound to follow our best, most honest, humble, guess about 

what is right and true.         --me--  (Jan Parcel)





==========

Subject: Re: Herb Q's

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:40:04 -0700

--------

.  It's essentially homemade pedialyte



Another way to make this is with jello water.  You just add more water to

the jello that it calls for so that it doesn't gell.  It is pleasant

tasting, and replaces the electrolytes lost.  I have used it with all four

of my children.

BrownThumb wrote in message <35D61100.765BBE1C@REMOVETHISGrrAttitude.com>...

>Jim Gyer wrote:

>

>>     NOT FOR CHILDREN UNDER 2

>>     OLDER PEOPLE START WITH LOW STRENGTH AND INCREASE

>>     USE DURING PREGNANCY IS DISCOURAGED

>>     CAN CAUSE GASTRIC DISTRESS, NAUSEA, VOMITING

>>     LIMIT USE TO TWO WEEKS

>This is odd.  Raspberry leaf infusion is used for pregnant women

>for calmness and to encourage milk production...and it's a close

>relative.  Maybe there's just enough differece...

>

>> "... early Americans sometimes combined it with honey and alum to tighten

>> loose teeth."

>

>i.e. cure scurvy.  Orange juice does that for us now.

>

>

>> I think I recall reading some where (a Donnor pass book or article) about

a

>> treatment involving just salt, sugar, and boiled water that could have

saved

>> countless pioneers from this if they only knew about it.  Anyone able to

>> fill??

>

>Any parenting book will have the recipe.  It's been known for years

>and years.  It's essentially homemade pedialyte.  Gatorade and

>consumme also work for this.  But it doesn't stop diarrhea.  What

>stops the "runs" is avoiding food (and milk or acidic juice) plus time.

>What the water, sugar, strageic salts recipe does is keep you alive

>while you can't take anything else in, and since stomach or intestinal

>illnesses often kill by salt depletion as well as dehydration,

>water is not enough.

>

>Right now I can't find _The_ _Doctors'_ _Book_ _Of_ _Home_ _Remedies_,

>or my Dr. Spock......time to clean house.  Can somebody post?

>(or you might find it at a parenting web site)

>------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>We are honor-bound to follow our best, most honest, humble, guess about

>what is right and true.         --me--  (Jan Parcel)









==========

Subject: Re: Herb Q's

From: docjim@doitnow.com (Jim Gyer)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:42:20 GMT

--------

BrownThumb <brownthumb@REMOVETHISGrrAttitude.com> wrote:



>Jim Gyer wrote:

>

>>     NOT FOR CHILDREN UNDER 2

>>     OLDER PEOPLE START WITH LOW STRENGTH AND INCREASE

>>     USE DURING PREGNANCY IS DISCOURAGED

>>     CAN CAUSE GASTRIC DISTRESS, NAUSEA, VOMITING

>>     LIMIT USE TO TWO WEEKS

>This is odd.  Raspberry leaf infusion is used for pregnant women

>for calmness and to encourage milk production...and it's a close

>relative.  Maybe there's just enough differece...



The book says "For otherwise healthy, nonpregnant, nonnursing adults,

blackberry is safe in amounts typically recommended."  Of course, it say that

for almost every entry.



It also says "Today, however, blackberry has fallen from healing fashion,

replaced by its close botanical relative, raspberry." and "...blackberry's

close relative, raspberry, relaxes the uterus."



Probably good for relaxing cramps but could initate delivery??? Hey, I'm a man

what do I know?



>> "... early Americans sometimes combined it with honey and alum to tighten

>> loose teeth."

>

>i.e. cure scurvy.  Orange juice does that for us now.

>

I'm sure that's right.  In the context he was talking about the astringent

properties though.

>

>> I think I recall reading some where (a Donnor pass book or article) about a

>> treatment involving just salt, sugar, and boiled water that could have saved

>> countless pioneers from this if they only knew about it.  Anyone able to

>> fill??

>

>Any parenting book will have the recipe.  It's been known for years

>and years.  It's essentially homemade pedialyte.  Gatorade and

>consumme also work for this.  But it doesn't stop diarrhea.  What

>stops the "runs" is avoiding food (and milk or acidic juice) plus time. 

>What the water, sugar, strageic salts recipe does is keep you alive 

>while you can't take anything else in, and since stomach or intestinal

>illnesses often kill by salt depletion as well as dehydration,

>water is not enough.

>

>Right now I can't find _The_ _Doctors'_ _Book_ _Of_ _Home_ _Remedies_,

>or my Dr. Spock......time to clean house.  Can somebody post?

>(or you might find it at a parenting web site)

>------------------------------------------------------------------

>

>We are honor-bound to follow our best, most honest, humble, guess about 

>what is right and true.         --me--  (Jan Parcel)





Jim Gyer KC7RKL docjim@doitnow.com

==================================

As a rule, dogs can not be trusted to watch your food.





==========

Subject: Re: Herb Q's

From: knots@agate.net

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 15:34:31 GMT

--------

In article <35D54576.59DF34AE@REMOVETHISGrrAttitude.com>,

  BrownThumb <brownthumb@REMOVETHISGrrAttitude.com> wrote:

> I read in _Edible and _Useful Plants of _California that

> a village of Oneida Indians cured themselves of dysentery

> while their white neighbors died of it, using a tea made from

> blackberry roots.

>

> Does anybody know this remedy?  Is it actually a common-style

> root bark infusion, or something else?  There was also a comment

> that this remedy was widely-used by Northern California Indians.

>

> Also, I have found that making an infusion of raspberry leaf tea,

> from bags, is sweet (unlike the tea) and a good PMS mood-calmer.

> Would this apply to blackberry leaves as well?  And would it work

> with Rubus Ursinius, or only Himalayan Blackberry?

>

> Also also, in a survivalist magazine I came across a reference that

> tea (did they mean infusion, again?) of year-old Cascara Sagrada

> bark can be replaced with Coffeeberry bark. (Rhamnus Purshiana

> vs. Rhamnus Californica, if I remember correctly)...does anybody

> know if the same aging rules apply and if it's tea or infusion.

>

> I figure between the two, I'd have digestive problems for geezers

> handled.  Too bad my area of California doesn't really have enough

> water to support asian ginger...then I'd have nausea handled, too.

>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

>

> We are honor-bound to follow our best, most honest, humble, guess about

> what is right and true.         --me--  (Jan Parcel)

>



When an herbalist speaks of a tea it means to place a certain amount of herb

(usually 1-2 tsp) in a cup and cover with one cup of boiling water and infuse

from 10-15 minutes. Amount of herb and time of infusion depends on the herb. A

commercially produced tea that is found in a teabag form and tasts a little

sweet might contain a sweetener. Read the ingredients on the package it came

in.



When an herbalist uses a root or bark for medicinal purposes it is usually

prepared as a "decoction", that is, to take a certain amount of bark or root

(usually 1-2 tsp.) place it in a sauce pan with one cup of cold water, bring

to a boil and allow to *slowly* boil for 10-15 minutes.



Hope this helps.



Rosemarie



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Subject: Info on Saw Palmetto, PLEASE?! Anyone?!

From: solm@chat.carleton.ca (Stacey Olm)

Date: 15 Aug 1998 16:02:19 GMT

--------



Hi there. I am curious if anyone here can give me some information on Saw

Palmetto for treating acne. I have heard a lot about it, but can't seem to

find any information anywhere (the search engines don't do much good and

only seem to talk about Saw Palmetto for hair loss and prostate problems

in men).  Can someone here give me first hand info....side-effects,

whether or not it lives up to the hype, is it safe for women, what dosage

is good to take....

Thanks in advance!







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Subject: Re: Info on Saw Palmetto, PLEASE?! Anyone?!

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:15:39 GMT

--------

solm@chat.carleton.ca (Stacey Olm) wrote:



>Hi there. I am curious if anyone here can give me some information on Saw

>Palmetto for treating acne.

>  is it safe for women, what dosage

>is good to take....



Since acne can be caused by excess hormones not being cleared by 

the liver, saw palmetto may help since it can supposedly boost 

estrogen levels or decrease testosterone levels.  But, it is much

 better to just stimulate the liver to clear hormones as well as

toxins that may be contributing to the problem.  Theoretically,

saw palmetto could make acne worse in a woman.



I would more recommend the following:



Country Life Calcium Magnesium complex (500:300mg type)



Multivitamin with 200% RDA zinc, 100% RDA biotin, 25000IU

beta carotene/vitamin A, 25-100mg choline and inositol, and 

70-200mcg selenium and chromium (there are a few that meet this

criteria - ask at an herb shop).



Nature's Herbs Dandelion Goldenseal combination.



Avoid all hydrogenated oils (in processed foods and margarine), 

trans fats (in margarine and fried foods), and limit

starches and sugars.  Consider doing the Zone diet. 

Get at least 10 minutes of sun daily, and swim in a

chlorinated pool when possible.  If a topical is

needed, try dabbing a little tea tree oil or diluted

Now grapefruit extract. 



If this does not make a great difference in a couple of

weeks, write back for further suggestions.  I will 

soon have the acne regimen on my web page at



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



in the Maladies section.  It will be similar to the Eczema

and Psoriasis regimens.



turf









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Subject: Re: Info on Saw Palmetto, PLEASE?! Anyone?!

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 15:59:47 -0700

--------

turf wrote:

> 

> solm@chat.carleton.ca (Stacey Olm) wrote:

> 

> >Hi there. I am curious if anyone here can give me some information on Saw

> >Palmetto for treating acne.

> >  is it safe for women, what dosage

> >is good to take....

> 

> Since acne can be caused by excess hormones not being cleared by

> the liver, saw palmetto may help since it can supposedly boost

> estrogen levels or decrease testosterone levels.



Saw palmetto prevents dihydrotestosterone (DHT) effects on the prostate

gland. It may prevent conversion of testosterone to DHT. I have never

seen any evidence that it either boosts estrogen levels or decreases

testosterone levels. Do you have any citations from peer-reviewed

literature to support your statement?



Generally, the most effective treatment for acne is Accutane which is

the acidic form of vitamin A. Increasing your zinc and reducing you fat

intake may also be helpful.



--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-544-4440 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension

of the healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research,

innovative ideas and practical methods.

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health and medical findings from around the world.





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Subject: Re: Info on Saw Palmetto, PLEASE?! Anyone?!

From: "The Goddess Within" <thegoddesswithin@hotmail.com>

Date: 20 Aug 1998 07:13:39 GMT

--------



>Since acne can be caused by excess hormones not being cleared by

>the liver, saw palmetto may help since it can supposedly boost

>estrogen levels or decrease testosterone levels.  But, it is much

> better to just stimulate the liver to clear hormones as well as

>toxins that may be contributing to the problem.  Theoretically,

>saw palmetto could make acne worse in a woman.

>





In order to clear out the liver, would Milk Thistle be of any benefit?  Just

a thought...



~TGW.













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Subject: Re: Info on Saw Palmetto, PLEASE?! Anyone?!

From: "Tammy Rome" <tammy@healthyinstinct.com>

Date: 21 Aug 1998 13:35:14 GMT

--------

I saw a few people in this thread mention liver detoxification as treatment

for acne.  If you want to support your liver, use Milk Thistle and

Dandelion, in tincture form is best.  But be prepared for your acne to get

worse before it gets better.  If your body cannot rid itself of toxins

through digestion, then it will release them via the skin (i.e. body odor,

sweat and yes, acne).



I am on a liver detox program right now and know it's working b/c I see the

effects on my face.  This program can take time, but it will work.



You can us products made from Tea Tree Oil to help speed the healing of

acne.  I use Tea Tree Oil straight out of the bottle on my blemishes.  It

doesn't burn or sting like some acne treatments.  Just be careful not to

get it in your eyes and stop using it if it causes a rash or other

discomfort as some people are allergic to it.

-- 

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Tammy Rome <tammy@healthyinstinct.com>

Get healthy, stay healthy...follow your natural instincts.

<http://www.healthyinstinct.com>

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>



Stacey Olm <solm@chat.carleton.ca> wrote in article

<6r4beb$91a$1@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca>...

> 

> Hi there. I am curious if anyone here can give me some information on Saw

> Palmetto for treating acne. I have heard a lot about it, but can't seem

to

> find any information anywhere (the search engines don't do much good and

> only seem to talk about Saw Palmetto for hair loss and prostate problems

> in men).  Can someone here give me first hand info....side-effects,

> whether or not it lives up to the hype, is it safe for women, what dosage

> is good to take....

> Thanks in advance!

> 

> 

> 

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 *

>  *                                                                       

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>  *    	God created man before creating women, because you need a rough   

*

>  *      draft before creating a masterpiece...;)                         

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Subject: Genseng

From: "Rick Shorter" <rickshor@westco.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 12:34:20 -0400

--------

Hello to all;

  I'm looking for images of the genseng plant, Any help would be

appreciated!

Thanks in Advance

E-Mail...........rickshor@westco.net





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To: Rick Shorter <rickshor@westco.net>

Subject: Re: Genseng

From: Crystal <crslmoon@gte.net>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:48:50 -0400

--------

> <<  I'm looking for images of the genseng plant, Any help would be

> appreciated!

> Thanks in Advance

> E-Mail...........rickshor@westco.net>>



American Ginseng.....



http://pathfinder.com/vg/TimeLive/CG/Books/E08/Html/E08091X.html





take care,

Crystal









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Subject: Help - Pregnant with Giardia

From: "Philip Lapp" <philip.lapp@gte.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:29:34 -0600

--------

I have a friend in Africa that is pregnant and has giardia.  If anyone could

give me competent advice on an herb safe to be taken during pregnancy that

would kill this parasite, I would greatly appreciate it.  Because of the

sensitive nature of the problem, if you could please give me the resource

you have used for your information or share with me your personal experience

in using the herb(s) you suggest.



Shannon Diehl

diehl@cheerful.com









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Subject: Re: Help - Pregnant with Giardia

From: "Richard M LaFrance" <HERBALNOOK@prodigy.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:24:47 -0000

--------

Guidelinesbased on the American Herbal Products Association Botanical Safety

Index:



Herbs to avoid during pregnancy: Ashwagandha, Barberry, Bergamot, Wild,

Black Cohosh, Blessed Thistle, Bloodroot, Blue Cohosh, Borage, Buchu, Canada

Snakeroot, Catnip, Chamomile,Roman, Chaste Tree Berries, Coltsfoot, Comfrey,

Coptis, Cornflowers, Dong Quai, Dyers Broom Flowers, Elecampane, False

Unicorn, Garlic (capsules & extracts only), Ginger (capsules only),

Goldenseal Root, Horehound, Juniper Berries, Lemongrass, Licorice, Lobelia,

Lovage Sichuan, Lycii Berries, Maidenhair Fern, Motherwort, Mugwort, Myrrh,

Oregon Grape, Osha, Parsley Root, Pennyroyal,European, Pleurisy, Prickly Ash

Bark, Quassia, Queen of the Meadow (also don't use while nursing), Red

Clover, Rosemary (extract only), Rue, Safflower, Sage (extract only),

Shepherd's Purse, Sichuan Peppercorns, Southernwood, Tansy, Tree Peony,

Turmeric (extract only), Uva Ursi, Vetiver, Wormwood, Yarrow. Consult a

physician for these herbs: Aloes (Cape), Buckthorn, Cascara Sagrada, Ephedra

(Ma Huang), Rhubarb, Senna.



Hope this is of some help Its a begining



Good Luck & God Bless





Philip Lapp wrote in message <6r4gqe$jil$1@news-1.news.gte.net>...

>I have a friend in Africa that is pregnant and has giardia.  If anyone

could

>give me competent advice on an herb safe to be taken during pregnancy that

>would kill this parasite, I would greatly appreciate it.  Because of the

>sensitive nature of the problem, if you could please give me the resource

>you have used for your information or share with me your personal

experience

>in using the herb(s) you suggest.

>

>Shannon Diehl

>diehl@cheerful.com

>

>









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Subject: Re: Help - Pregnant with Giardia

From: kw@hotc.net (Kerry)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:12:48 GMT

--------

I was not able to directly access Dr Hulda Clark's information, but

there is a web page that will give you the formula for her worming

program.  I have and do use it extensively.  It is safe and it works

extremely well.



She appears to have gone on to other things, such as Oxygenation,

which is good but hard to obtain under most conditions.  However, the

thing that impressed me about her original discovery is something that

she missed.



Her original worming formula is very similar to the formula that

Yahveh used on His sheep annually in the Feast of Bitter Herbs.

Apparenty, Yahveh approves of it also?

Kerry



On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:29:34 -0600, "Philip Lapp"

<philip.lapp@gte.net> wrote:



>I have a friend in Africa that is pregnant and has giardia.  If anyone could

>give me competent advice on an herb safe to be taken during pregnancy that

>would kill this parasite, I would greatly appreciate it.  Because of the

>sensitive nature of the problem, if you could please give me the resource

>you have used for your information or share with me your personal experience

>in using the herb(s) you suggest.

>

>Shannon Diehl

>diehl@cheerful.com

>

>



cya,

kerry



Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep

the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev. 14:12



A prudent man forseeth the evil, and hides himself:

but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 22:3





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Subject: Re: Help - Pregnant with Giardia

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:22:16 GMT

--------

"

>I have a friend in Africa that is pregnant and has giardia.  If anyone could

>give me competent advice on an herb safe to be taken during pregnancy that

>would kill this parasite, I would greatly appreciate it. 



I would check with a naturopath first, but none of the following are 

on the list of herbs for pregnant women to avoid, and may help with 

the problem - turmeric root, fennel seeds, triphala (Indian 

combination of three herbs meant to prevent intestinal infection, but 

also an intestinal tract astringent - will cure most types of 

diarrhea).  I would only use small amounts of them as in 

cooking.



There are probably more appropriate native herbs that an herbalist

in Africa could help with.



turf







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Subject: Re: Help - Pregnant with Giardia

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:31:30 GMT

--------

"Philip Lapp" <philip.lapp@gte.net> wrote:



>I have a friend in Africa that is pregnant and has giardia.  If anyone could

>give me competent advice on an herb safe to be taken during pregnancy that

>would kill this parasite, I would greatly appreciate it.



  Can she get green pumpkin seeds in Africa?  



  The standard Mexican remedy for parasites is raw pumpkin seeds

.. about 1/4 cup of them, ground, and mixed into a sauce or

something.  Take it three days in a row, and repeat each week to

prevent reinfection. Several popular recipes in Mexican cooking

use green pumpkin seed powder stirred in at the last minute for a

thickening agent ... she could stir it into spaghetti sauce or a

stew.

  Backing this up, the 1927 Materia Medica lists pumpkin seeds as

an anti-parasitic plant material.







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Subject: Re: Help - Pregnant with Giardia

From: cyli@visi.com

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:29:17 GMT

--------

Unless she has a very unusual case, it's not life threatening.  She

could wait until after the baby is born to do the treatment.  Many

people have Giardia for large portions of their lives and never even

notice it.  It's only dangerous if one is otherwise very weakened.



I'd think that heavy use of the red pepper family would at least keep

it under control.  That is some capsules/concentrates or using a lot

on her food.  



Has she seen an MD about it?  I'm not too aware of the foreign

countries' treatments as my home country uses (gag) Flagyl, which is

way too dangerous for pregenant people as far as I can see.  I've

heard that much of the rest of the world has a one day treatment of

meds that's not even noticed much by the patient, but I don't know its

effects in pregnancy.







On Sat, 15 Aug 1998 11:29:34 -0600, "Philip Lapp"

<philip.lapp@gte.net> wrote:



>I have a friend in Africa that is pregnant and has giardia.  If anyone could

>give me competent advice on an herb safe to be taken during pregnancy that

>would kill this parasite, I would greatly appreciate it.  Because of the

>sensitive nature of the problem, if you could please give me the resource

>you have used for your information or share with me your personal experience

>in using the herb(s) you suggest.

>

>Shannon Diehl

>diehl@cheerful.com

>

>



-----



I only answer my email every few months, on average.  

Patience helps.  



http://www.visi.com/~cyli





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Subject: Re: Help - Pregnant with Giardia

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:50:03 GMT

--------

In article <6r4gqe$jil$1@news-1.news.gte.net>,

  "Philip Lapp" <philip.lapp@gte.net> wrote:

> I have a friend in Africa that is pregnant and has giardia.  If anyone could

> give me competent advice on an herb safe to be taken during pregnancy that

> would kill this parasite, I would greatly appreciate it.  Because of the

> sensitive nature of the problem, if you could please give me the resource

> you have used for your information or share with me your personal experience

> in using the herb(s) you suggest.

>

> Shannon Diehl

> diehl@cheerful.com

>

>



A strong decoction of raspberry leaf tea can be of great use in this

situation. The tannic acid  it contains is an astringent as well as an

antiseptic-- so it will make the intestines less open, allowing for more

absorption of water back into the system. Tannic acid is a very safe

substance, contained in most plants in some quantity. Raspberry leaves have

been used as a tonic for strengthening the uterus during pregnancy since time

out of mind. I have frequently given them to people for that purpose as well

as for stopping severe and/or bloody diarrhea.	To make the decoction, bring

water to a boil, then take it off the heat and throw in some finely chopped

raspberry leaves (1:16 leaves:water ratio, or an ounce per pint) then put the

stuff on low heat and allow to simmer, without boiling, for 20 minutes.  If

raspberry leaves are not available where your friend lives, some other strong

 tannin-containing astringents include: Oak bark, Plantain (Plantago spp.),

Black walnuts.	I've used all of these for flux before, and none are unsafe

during pregnancy.



  If none of this information helps you, get back to me. If this stuff is all

unavailable where your friend lives, try to give me some idea of what is

available. I hope this helps.



bentley







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Subject: what is a good source for omega 3 oils?

From: mic@.inu.net (mooky)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:30:33 GMT

--------

I was listening to the radio the other day and caught part of a

program where the guest was talking about using omega 3 fatty acids to

help with his skin complection.  I he said  he took about two or three

tablespoons of oil daily but I'm not sure.  well I was wondering is

there a cost effective form of omega 3 fatty acids other than fish oil

gel caps that wal-mart sold me?  I can eat just about anything so even

if it taste bad I will still be able to take it, but I dont know where

to look?

thanks





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Subject: Re: what is a good source for omega 3 oils?

From: proth10698@aol.com (PRoth10698)

Date: 16 Aug 1998 02:23:55 GMT

--------

some food sources of omega 3 fatty acids are salmon, flax seed (flax oil goes

rancid very quickly and purslane - if you have a garden or a yard you might

still find some.  Other cold water north atlantic fish are also good.





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Subject: Re: what is a good source for omega 3 oils?

From: Jude@Bennett.com (Judith Scothern)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:47:57 GMT

--------

Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca> wrote:

>PRoth10698 wrote:

>> 

>> some food sources of omega 3 fatty acids are salmon, flax seed (flax oil goes

>> rancid very quickly and purslane - if you have a garden or a yard you might

>> still find some.  Other cold water north atlantic fish are also good.

>

>And don't forget hemp seed and oil.

>



Don't hemp products sold in the U.S have to be sterilized?  How do

they do that, and does it have any negative effects on the hemp seeds

nutritional content?





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Subject: Re: what is a good source for omega 3 oils?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 21:14:57 GMT

--------



>Don't hemp products sold in the U.S have to be sterilized?  



I think only the seeds.  They are used in some bird feeds.  

I heard from one source that sometimes they are not 

completely sterile as the guy had some grow under

his bird feeder.



> How do

>they do that



Radiation.



> , and does it have any negative effects on the hemp seeds

>nutritional content?



Probably not that much.



turf









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Subject: Re: what is a good source for omega 3 oils?

From: "Kitsa" <kitsa@tampabay.rr.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 09:29:17 -0400

--------

Salmon, Yellowtail and Mackeral as well as some types of tuna.  I read that

it is about 9 oz. of fish a week to get the right amount.

Kitsa

mooky wrote in message <35d634b3.96309989@news.inu.net>...

>I was listening to the radio the other day and caught part of a

>program where the guest was talking about using omega 3 fatty acids to

>help with his skin complection.  I he said  he took about two or three

>tablespoons of oil daily but I'm not sure.  well I was wondering is

>there a cost effective form of omega 3 fatty acids other than fish oil

>gel caps that wal-mart sold me?  I can eat just about anything so even

>if it taste bad I will still be able to take it, but I dont know where

>to look?

>thanks









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Subject: Re: what is a good source for omega 3 oils?

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 19 Aug 1998 04:16:54 GMT

--------

>

>I was listening to the radio the other day and caught part of a

>program where the guest was talking about using omega 3 fatty acids to

>help with his skin complection.  I he said  he took about two or three

>tablespoons of oil daily but I'm not sure.  well I was wondering is

>there a cost effective form of omega 3 fatty acids other than fish oil

>gel caps that wal-mart sold me?  I can eat just about anything so even

>if it taste bad I will still be able to take it, but I dont know where

>to look?

>thanks

></PRE></HTML>



Soybean oil and flax seed oil. Use them and you have both the omega's taken

care of. :) I use them as my salad dressing. Cold pressed of course. 



<3

Pari







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Subject: Re: what is a good source for omega 3 oils?

From: "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H." <skip@netins.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 08:41:46 -0500

--------

Flax seed oil, as do many oils, degrades quickly.  Flax seeds have a built

in design that keeps the EFA's fresh.  Until you actually break open the

seed coat of flax or cannabis for that matter, everything is protected.  A

*very* inexpensive way to get all the EFA's is to take and grind flax seeds

in a coffee/spice grinder to about any consistency you like.  Of course it

would be optimum to grind fresh seeds before every meal, but actually it

works really well to store in an air tight container in the refrigerator.

This way you can grind enough for a whole week.  I use one tablespoon per

day.  You could put on tablespoon all on one meal but keep in mind that this

stuff tastes _good!_  I add wheat bran and grind even finer for a great

addition to any grain cereal, hot or cold.  I also add other things like

kelp, fresh ground black pepper and turmeric for a very healthy and

delicious "seasoning salt".

Leslie Adams, M.H.



Parijata2 wrote in message

<1998081904165400.AAA17090@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>>

>>I was listening to the radio the other day and caught part of a

>>program where the guest was talking about using omega 3 fatty acids to

>>help with his skin complection.  I he said  he took about two or three

>>tablespoons of oil daily but I'm not sure.  well I was wondering is

>>there a cost effective form of omega 3 fatty acids other than fish oil

>>gel caps that wal-mart sold me?  I can eat just about anything so even

>>if it taste bad I will still be able to take it, but I dont know where

>>to look?

>>thanks

>></PRE></HTML>

>

>Soybean oil and flax seed oil. Use them and you have both the omega's taken

>care of. :) I use them as my salad dressing. Cold pressed of course.

>

><3

>Pari

>









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Subject: Re: what is a good source for omega 3 oils?

From: "Deb" <thomasclan@earthlink.net>

Date: 19 Aug 1998 22:08:14 GMT

--------

I seem to remember reading somewhere that flax seeds should be cooked and

not eaten raw. Is this true? I love raw grains and would love to try this

if it is safe. Arkansas Deb



Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H. <skip@netins.net> wrote in article

<6reknc$2gs$1@ins8.netins.net>...

> Flax seed oil, as do many oils, degrades quickly.  Flax seeds have a

built

> in design that keeps the EFA's fresh.  Until you actually break open the

> seed coat of flax or cannabis for that matter, everything is protected. 

A

> *very* inexpensive way to get all the EFA's is to take and grind flax

seeds

> in a coffee/spice grinder to about any consistency you like.  Of course

it

> would be optimum to grind fresh seeds before every meal, but actually it

> works really well to store in an air tight container in the refrigerator.

> This way you can grind enough for a whole week.  I use one tablespoon per

> day.  You could put on tablespoon all on one meal but keep in mind that

this

> stuff tastes _good!_  I add wheat bran and grind even finer for a great

> addition to any grain cereal, hot or cold.  I also add other things like

> kelp, fresh ground black pepper and turmeric for a very healthy and

> delicious "seasoning salt".

> Leslie Adams, M.H.

> 

> Parijata2 wrote in message

> <1998081904165400.AAA17090@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> >>

> >>I was listening to the radio the other day and caught part of a

> >>program where the guest was talking about using omega 3 fatty acids to

> >>help with his skin complection.  I he said  he took about two or three

> >>tablespoons of oil daily but I'm not sure.  well I was wondering is

> >>there a cost effective form of omega 3 fatty acids other than fish oil

> >>gel caps that wal-mart sold me?  I can eat just about anything so even

> >>if it taste bad I will still be able to take it, but I dont know where

> >>to look?

> >>thanks

> >></PRE></HTML>

> >

> >Soybean oil and flax seed oil. Use them and you have both the omega's

taken

> >care of. :) I use them as my salad dressing. Cold pressed of course.

> >

> ><3

> >Pari

> >

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: what is a good source for omega 3 oils?

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 20 Aug 1998 03:31:14 GMT

--------

Yes, I have used the ground up flax seed also, but be careful or you may end up

making a few too many trips to the bathroom. :) 



<3

Pari





>Flax seed oil, as do many oils, degrades quickly.  Flax seeds have a built

>in design that keeps the EFA's fresh.  Until you actually break open the

>seed coat of flax or cannabis for that matter, everything is protected.  A

>*very* inexpensive way to get all the EFA's is to take and grind flax seeds

>in a coffee/spice grinder to about any consistency you like.  Of course it

>would be optimum to grind fresh seeds before every meal, but actually it

>works really well to store in an air tight container in the refrigerator.

>This way you can grind enough for a whole week.  I use one tablespoon per

>day.  You could put on tablespoon all on one meal but keep in mind that this

>stuff tastes _good!_  I add wheat bran and grind even finer for a great

>addition to any grain cereal, hot or cold.  I also add other things like

>kelp, fresh ground black pepper and turmeric for a very healthy and

>delicious "seasoning salt".

>Leslie Adams, M.H









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Subject: need immune system help

From: traveling_fool@iname.com

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 01:35:48 GMT

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Well, I dont have the strongest immune system to in the first place (i.e., I

catch colds/viruses kind of easily even when I take very good care of

myself). And, when I travelparticularly abroadmy immune system tends to get

shot to you-know-where!  Being on a plane is practically a guarantee of me

getting sick (unfortunately!).	Well, I just found out that I am leaving in a

couple of weeks to go to Europe for 10 days (yea!).



I already take 100mg/day of Grape Seed Extract.  I dont eat NutraSweet,

saccharin, or caffeine; and I drink very little carbonated and/or alcoholic

beverages.  Can anyone recommend an intense supplement program to get my

immune system built up as much as possible by the start of Sept.? I would

really appreciate any help.  Ive taken Echinacea/Goldenseal before for long

periods of time, but it doesnt seem to do a whole lot for me.	Still, Im

definitely willing to try it again in combination with other things.



If you have any suggestions, I would very much appreciate it if you would

email me directly as well as post.  Of course, just posting is fine also if

you dont feel like emailing as well.  I definitely be checking the boards.



Thanks for your help!!!



--

traveling_fool@iname.com



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Subject: Re: need immune system help

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 14:00:46 GMT

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In article <6r5d1k$plv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

  traveling_fool@iname.com wrote:

> Well, I dont have the strongest immune system to in the first place (i.e., I

> catch colds/viruses kind of easily even when I take very good care of

> myself). And, when I travelparticularly abroadmy immune system tends to get

> shot to you-know-where!  Being on a plane is practically a guarantee of me

> getting sick (unfortunately!).	Well, I just found out that I am

leaving in a

> couple of weeks to go to Europe for 10 days (yea!).

>

If you want something different, you might try taking poke (Phytolacca

americana) leaves, about a teaspoon full fresh or two dried, once a day. These

not only bolster the immune system but also kill viruses. You won't be able to

find them once you're in europe, though. Spruce needles are available for free

on both continents (eat em if you can stand em), and can help the immune

sysytem out considerably. They contain a good bit of ascorbic, folic, formic,

and some other organic acids.





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Subject: Re: need immune system help

From: "Diana O'Byrne" <DLPa@pge.com>

Date: 20 Aug 1998 21:56:05 GMT

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Also try Echinecea with Golden Seal, or Echinecea with Esther-C capsules.

Available at most health food stores, and in the US now available at Long's

Drugs and Rite/Aid/Thrifty stores, in the herbal section. Follow the

directions on the label.



bentl3y@my-dejanews.com wrote in article

<6r9d2e$hdt$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> In article <6r5d1k$plv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

>   traveling_fool@iname.com wrote:

> > Well, I dont have the strongest immune system to in the first place

(i.e., I

> > catch colds/viruses kind of easily even when I take very good care of

> > myself). And, when I travelparticularly abroadmy immune system tends

to get

> > shot to you-know-where!  Being on a plane is practically a guarantee of

me

> > getting sick (unfortunately!).	Well, I just found out that I am

> leaving in a

> > couple of weeks to go to Europe for 10 days (yea!).

> >

> If you want something different, you might try taking poke (Phytolacca

> americana) leaves, about a teaspoon full fresh or two dried, once a day.

These

> not only bolster the immune system but also kill viruses. You won't be

able to

> find them once you're in europe, though. Spruce needles are available for

free

> on both continents (eat em if you can stand em), and can help the immune

> sysytem out considerably. They contain a good bit of ascorbic, folic,

formic,

> and some other organic acids.

> 

> 

> bentley

> 

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> 





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To: traveling_fool@iname.com

Subject: Re: need immune system help

From: HOLLIDAY <holliday@nep.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 09:27:50 -0700

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Garlic (the expensive Kwai seems the best) and it can't hurt you

Look into Astragalus, supposed to be a real immune booster



traveling_fool@iname.com wrote:



> Well, I dont have the strongest immune system to in the first place (i.e., I

> catch colds/viruses kind of easily even when I take very good care of

> myself)<snip>







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Subject: Re: need immune system help

From: "Eric4" <Eric4@positive-thinking.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 11:09:17 -0700

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traveling_fool@iname.com wrote in message

<6r5d1k$plv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>Well, I dont have the strongest immune system to in the first place

(i.e., I

>catch colds/viruses kind of easily even when I take very good care of

>myself). And, when I travelparticularly abroadmy immune system tends

to get

>shot to you-know-where!  Being on a plane is practically a guarantee of

me

>getting sick (unfortunately!). Well, I just found out that I am leaving

in a

>couple of weeks to go to Europe for 10 days (yea!).



Usually, just before any air or sea flights, I drink 7-UPS or any lime

soda, it helps air-sickness (or sea-sickness) somewhat, at least in my

case... As for the supplements, I increase my vitamin C intake to 2

grams/day from 1 gram/day. Strange but true, I have never had any colds

since I started taking vit. C daily. Note: I don't know if this regimen

is enough for your case since each types of immune systems respond

differently, but it's worth a try.



Europe is a great place to take a vacation, or so I'm told... If I could

just find beaches to sunbathe and to enjoy a relaxing atmosphere in

Europe, maybe I'll take on a vacation trip there.





Bon voyage,

-eric



>I already take 100mg/day of Grape Seed Extract.  I dont eat

NutraSweet,

>saccharin, or caffeine; and I drink very little carbonated and/or

alcoholic

>beverages.  Can anyone recommend an intense supplement program to get

my

>immune system built up as much as possible by the start of Sept.? I

would

>really appreciate any help.  Ive taken Echinacea/Goldenseal before for

long

>periods of time, but it doesnt seem to do a whole lot for me. Still, I

m

>definitely willing to try it again in combination with other things.

>

>If you have any suggestions, I would very much appreciate it if you

would

>email me directly as well as post.  Of course, just posting is fine

also if

>you dont feel like emailing as well.  I definitely be checking the

boards.

>

>Thanks for your help!!!

>

>--

>traveling_fool@iname.com

>

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Subject: Re: need immune system help

From: Leslie@rain-tree.com

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:34:53 GMT

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I travel extensively all over the world including to remote places in the

Amazon where I am confronted with many diseases like malaria, yellow fever,

cholera and even bubonic plague just to name a few.  I mix up my own formula

as a immune stimulant to encourage my body to fight off infection naturally

and Cat's Claw is a main ingredient. Oftentimes, because of where I travel, I

also take an antiparacite formula and an herbal antibacterial formula as a

preventative as well.  Based on my personal experience as well as what's been

documented, I think Cat's Claw (Uncaria tomentosa) to be a much better immune

stimulant than others like echinacea.  My personal immune boosting remedy is

a combination of the following plants: Cat's Claw, Avenca, Samambaia,

Simarouba, Mullaca, and Macela.  Information on all these plants are in the

plant database at http://www.rain-tree.com/plist.htm  I doubt many people

would need a formula of this strength for normal travelling purposes, and

just supplementing with cat's claw would be beneficial for most travelling

itineraries.



Happy trails and travels,

Leslie Taylor

http://www.rain-tree.com/author.htm

Raintree Marketing, Inc.

Austin, Texas

http://www.rain-tree.com





In article <6r5d1k$plv$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,

  traveling_fool@iname.com wrote:

> Well, I dont have the strongest immune system to in the first place (i.e., I

> catch colds/viruses kind of easily even when I take very good care of

> myself). And, when I travelparticularly abroadmy immune system tends to get

> shot to you-know-where!  Being on a plane is practically a guarantee of me

> getting sick (unfortunately!).	Well, I just found out that I am leaving

in a

> couple of weeks to go to Europe for 10 days (yea!).

>

> I already take 100mg/day of Grape Seed Extract.  I dont eat NutraSweet,

> saccharin, or caffeine; and I drink very little carbonated and/or alcoholic

> beverages.  Can anyone recommend an intense supplement program to get my

> immune system built up as much as possible by the start of Sept.? I would

> really appreciate any help.  Ive taken Echinacea/Goldenseal before for long

> periods of time, but it doesnt seem to do a whole lot for me.	Still,

Im

> definitely willing to try it again in combination with other things.

>

> If you have any suggestions, I would very much appreciate it if you would

> email me directly as well as post.  Of course, just posting is fine also if

> you dont feel like emailing as well.  I definitely be checking the boards.

>

> Thanks for your help!!!

>

> --

> traveling_fool@iname.com

>

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Subject: it's up!

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 20:58:59 -0700

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My site Herbal Apthecary is back up.  I have medical, magikal, and fun uses

of herbs, as well as herbal astrology, teas, and things to make with herbs,

so Please check out this noncommercial site, and please sign the guestbook

so that I know you were there.  Thanks!

Sparrow



HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow/apothecary.htm









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Subject: [Fwd: Re: Mint syrup recipe]

From: Sky <s1025459@admiral.umsl.edu>

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 23:14:50 -0500

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Message

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To: s1025459@admiral.umsl.edu

Subject: Re: Mint syrup recipe

From: DGSABA@aol.com

Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 08:14:49 EDT

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In a message dated 98-08-15 07:05:49 EDT, you write:



<< 

 Please forgive my ignorance, but would this work with dried mint?  If

 so, how much mint should I use?  Thanks a million!

 

 Peace,

 Sky

 

 

 

 --- >>



Sky ...



When I use dreid I start with 3/4 cups of dired and after sampling you may

want to go with a full 1 cup of dried mint leaves. Please share this on the

board for the others just in case they need the amount to use too.



Enjoy....



I'm off to the mountains ...Peace 



Diana







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Subject: Saw Palmetto and hair loss

From: Elliot Rose <elliot7@hotmail.com>

Date: 16 Aug 1998 01:02:26 PDT

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Does anyone have any information on Saw Palmetto and its effect on hair

loss?

thanks







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Subject: Re: Saw Palmetto and hair loss

From: Tom Matthews <tmatth@netcom.ca>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 02:17:41 -0700

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Elliot Rose wrote:

 

> Does anyone have any information on Saw Palmetto and its effect on hair

> loss?



Saw palmetto works well to protect or shrink the prostate by reducing

the conversion of testosterone to DHT in the prostate and reducing the

effect of DHT upon the prostate cells. It may have a similar effect for

hair folicles, but whether it really does is unknown at this time

because there have been no scientific studies of its use for that

purpose. It's worth a try though and it does not usually reduce libido

as finasteride usually does.



--Tom 

Tom Matthews

 

The LIFE EXTENSION FOUNDATION - http://www.lef.org - 800-544-4440 

A non-profit membership organization dedicated to the extension

of the healthy human lifespan through ground breaking research,

innovative ideas and practical methods.

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health and medical findings from around the world.





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Subject: Carpal tunnel, instant remedy?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 16:10:59 GMT

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I have a complete carpal tunnel regimen on my web page.  It

consists of internal supplements.  My wife was recently

stricken with a mild case after a week of intense computing.

Wrist, top of hand, and index finger were very sore.



Being the impatient type, she wanted something done _now_.

Forget waiting for internal supplements, or even water therapy.

I had some Farmer's Friend Hand Salve and slathered it thick on 

the affected parts. Then, covered with gauze, taped down lightly,

and left overnight.  



The next day all symptoms were gone.  It's been two weeks and

there is still no pain.  I bet it's worth a try for arthritis, too.



Farmers Friend consists of almond oil, olive oil, beeswax, extracts 

and oils of  comfrey, rosemary, lavendar, and eucalyptus, et al.



turf







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Subject: Re: Carpal tunnel, instant remedy?

From: "cb" <buglady48@doghotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 12:30:09 -0500

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Turf, just as a point of interest, it seems that carpal tunnel syndrome is

now being linked to hypothyroidism in some cases.  Read about it here:

http://thyroid.miningco.com/



cb.....take out the dog before replying



    turf wrote in message <6r719g$es8$1@camel0.mindspring.com>...



    I have a complete carpal tunnel regimen on my web page  <snip>









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Subject: Re: Carpal tunnel, instant remedy?

From: ginny10011@aol.com (Ginny10011)

Date: 17 Aug 1998 01:55:29 GMT

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Three things I've found to be VERY helpful are:

(1)  Those beige support gloves with the        fingers cut out.  (I forget

what you call        them.)  They're so comfortable that I        usually wear

mine all the time, rather than

       just when using the computer.  I love them.

       You can find them at crafts/needlework

       stores and in needlework mail order        catalogues, but the cheapest

I've ever        found were from a vitamin supplier named        Swanson's. 

They SEEM to be the same        quality as those I used to pay three times

       as much for, so I'm very happy with them.

(2)   Stores such as Staples (i.e., which carry

        office supplies, computer stuff, etc.) sell

        some kind of thingy about 3 inches wide         and the same length as

a keyboard.  You

        put it in front of the keyboard, so that your

        wrists rest on this thingy while you type.

        Very comfortable, and cheap.

(3)    I read someplace that taking 50 mg of                  Vitamin B-6 each

day is very good for

         carpal tunnel.



All I know is that I do all of the above and have not had any problems since

doing so.  (Before that, I was in great pain.)



Good luck!



Ginny





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Subject: Uses for blue malva?

From: hlachs@aol.com (HLachs)

Date: 16 Aug 1998 16:50:33 GMT

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Does anyone know what blue malva is used for?



I've been searching the net, but haven't been able to find much of anything.



Thanks for any info.





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Subject: Graying Hair

From: "Mike" <MLundie@nternet.net>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 19:17:35 -0400

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Could someone please re-post the info on "graying hair is not natural"?

I've been away from the NG for a bit and see that I've missed something

good.  I've been getting snow on the roof since early 20's.  Like to stop it

if I can.  Thanks for the info.



Mike









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Subject: Treatment for Sore Knee??????????

From: ginny10011@aol.com (Ginny10011)

Date: 17 Aug 1998 01:48:00 GMT

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My left knee hurts when I try to get up from the floor.  I'm okay if there is a

chair or something to lean on, but it hurts if I have to stand up without any

form of support. I have NEVER before experienced any problems (with any part of

my body, not just the knee), and am never in any pain or discomfort at any

other time.  Walking and running are fine.  Can anyone suggest anything I might

do or take to help alleviate this problem?



Thank you so much.



Ginny





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Subject: Re: Treatment for Sore Knee??????????

From: ravinamk@aol.com (RAVI NAM K)

Date: 18 Aug 1998 05:37:08 GMT

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>My left knee hurts when I try to get up from the floor.  I'm okay if there is

>a

>chair or something to lean on, but it hurts if I have to stand up without any

>form of support. I have NEVER before experienced any problems (with any part

>of

>my body, not just the knee), and am never in any pain or discomfort at any

>other time.  Walking and running are fine.  Can anyone suggest anything I

>might

>do or take to help alleviate this problem?



Ginny,

Have you tried turmeric?  You can make a paste of it by cooking it over low

heat with enough water to keep it from sticking.  Then use some of this paste

in your diet.  It is said to lubricate the joints.





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Subject: Re: Treatment for Sore Knee??????????

From: mbrown@kih.net

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:46:07 GMT

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What part of your knee hurts?



In some people, their bodies are able to use shark cartilage in rebuilding

cartilage that is worn out in the joints.  Not all people are lucky in this.

I think I am one that is.  I use it in combination with gelatin and fish oil.

The trio seems to ease the soreness in my joints. Notice that I wrote "ease",

they haven't cured them.



But in your case, it is probably just a temporary strain and if you take it

easy on it for a while, it will go away.



Good luck with it, I can sympathize



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Subject: Question on how bath salts work

From: Rachel Berry <RachelsTouch@involved.com>

Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 20:38:56 -0700

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For you physiology experts, can someone explain to me how bath salts

help the body?  I understand that "water follows salt" and helps your

body get rid of the water, thus leaving your skin a little dry and you a

little dehydrated.  But do toxins actually come out too?  Or is it just

the water?  Can the toxins be transported out of cells and out of the

body?  Not sure about it, so any help would be wonderful.  Thanks much!



Rachel Berry







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Subject: Re: Question on how bath salts work

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:30:29 GMT

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>   The only way water can leave through your skin is through the

> sweat glands ... the dead cells on the top layer are a waterproof

> barrier.  As far as "excreting toxins" by transporting them from

> the cells through the skin into the bath water ... nope.  Sweat

> glands mostly excrete lightly salted water, unless the person is

> really sick, in which case small molecules like acetone and

> ammonia start coming out in the sweat. The liver takes care of

> most toxins.



Well, a hot bath will certainly make you sweat. And salt will, as a matter of

fact, dessicate cells. If the bath water contains more salt than your body,

it will draw water from your body. That's why  goldfish can't live in the

ocean, and you can't drink saltwater, etc.  So your body's sweating, more

than it would in a water bath, and, in fact, it does excrete toxins while

it's doing this. Much (but not all) of the same stuff that can be found in

urine can be found in sweat. The salt in sweat is essentially a waste

product, as is the uric acid in sweat. Sweating often helps to stimulate the

immune system as well. Sweating by use of sweat houses, hot baths, etc. has

been used all over the world for this purpose, for a very long time. It's not

solely a matter of removing the toxins, any more than it is solely a

feel-good thing. It is both, and it is more than just that, but regardless of

what paradigm you use to explain its effectiveness, it is observeably

effective.



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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS  AND

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:41:47 GMT

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apple123@webtv.net (JIM K.) wrote:



>HERBS   SUCH AS  ST JOHN  WORT  KAVA    VALERIAN   MELATONIN   5HTP

>ETC  ETC  ETC ETC ETC   NONE  HAVE  WORKED    ANY  SUGGESTIONS? THANKS



  How long did you give them to start working?  Only valerian is

actually a short-term herb.  Melatonin can actually backfire, and

make you hyper.  Kava can, in some people, act like a stimulant.

  The others can take 4-6 weeks to kick in.



  Try increasing your exercise - I've found that moderate

exercise (3 workouts a week, nothing really strenuous) makes me

sleep like a log after the first week or two.



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS		AND

From: "Trianna" <bereskos@cadvision.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 19:43:38 -0600

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I have tried the supplements mentioned also- Nothing works- I think even

Valerian hypes me up- it sure does not make me sleepy. I do exercise-

regularly- I walk every morning. I don't drink more than two cups of

coffee - never after 9am and would give almost anything to get a good nights

sleep. I am not under stress- but I am going through peri menopause.



















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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS		AND

From: Irene Mazer <irm@mci2000.com>

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 21:22:14 -0700

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned passionflower. Especially in

combination with chamomile.





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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS		AND

From: "Fidla" <kavanet@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:58:23 -0400

--------

I've suffered from this disease for years.  What works for me is a

combination of meditation and exercise during the day and kava at night.

Good luck









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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS		AND

From: "920913" <920913@ican.net>

Date: 31 Aug 1998 05:31:03 GMT

--------





Irene Mazer <irm@mci2000.com> wrote in article

<35E8D376.EE184CFB@mci2000.com>...

> I'm surprised no one has mentioned passionflower. Especially in

> combination with chamomile.

> 

> 

>



yes but you need to watch for allergies i found valerian root tea most

helpful 







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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS  AND

From: jrooke@tricon.net (Jim Rooke)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:18:29 GMT

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It would be best if you determined Why you suffer

from insomnia and then go about solving that problem.









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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS  AND

From: jbarlow@forthrt.com (Janis & David Barlow)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:57:15 GMT

--------

apple123@webtv.net (JIM K.) wrote:



>HERBS   SUCH AS  ST JOHN  WORT  KAVA    VALERIAN   MELATONIN   5HTP

>ETC  ETC  ETC ETC ETC   NONE  HAVE  WORKED    ANY  SUGGESTIONS? THANKS

>



I've struggled with chronic insomnia for 38 years now.  I've tried

many many many different things to get some control of it.  What I've

found is that the most effective treatment is different for every

person.  For me, no one thing works effectively every time.



I get the best results when I do all the following things:  



Tai Chi exercise every day

No caffeine or sugar after dinner

A cup of chamomile tea about 30 mins before bed

A good Calcium/Potassium/Magnesium supplement just before bed

Either meditation combined w/ breathing exercises or a sleep induction

subliminal tape as I lay there in bed trying to fall asleep



For the most part, I find that if I can calm my mind down (or stop

thinking about the day's events), then I can fall asleep in 10 or 15

minutes which for me is a miracle.





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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTSAND

From: "Mike Brooks" <m-brooks@hit.net>

Date: 17 Aug 1998 13:42:42 GMT

--------

We have had success with Red Clover Tea (Alvita - brand name-usually at the

health food store).  Have a cup before going to bed.  Might need a tsp. of

honey in it.



Mike



JIM K. <apple123@webtv.net> wrote in article

<29939-35D7919B-33@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...

> HERBS   SUCH AS  ST JOHN  WORT  KAVA    VALERIAN   MELATONIN   5HTP

> ETC  ETC  ETC ETC ETC   NONE  HAVE  WORKED    ANY  SUGGESTIONS? THANKS

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTSAND

From: "Cathy" <ciprince@up.net>

Date: 21 Aug 1998 00:09:03 GMT

--------

Try something called Calm Forte, it is to help you relax, or if you take

more than one will help with sleep. Purchase at Puritan Pride, a mail order

catalog or health food type stores. 





JIM K. <apple123@webtv.net> wrote in article

<29939-35D7919B-33@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>...

> HERBS   SUCH AS  ST JOHN  WORT  KAVA    VALERIAN   MELATONIN   5HTP

> ETC  ETC  ETC ETC ETC   NONE  HAVE  WORKED    ANY  SUGGESTIONS? THANKS

> 

> 





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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS

 		AND

From: Thomas McClung <chip@mcclung.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 12:15:33 -0400

--------

Dear insomniac,

do you do alot of caffine? and how long are you going on these herbals

before switching? Are you mixing them?



JIM K. wrote:



> HERBS   SUCH AS  ST JOHN  WORT  KAVA    VALERIAN   MELATONIN   5HTP

> ETC  ETC  ETC ETC ETC   NONE  HAVE  WORKED    ANY  SUGGESTIONS? THANKS

>







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Subject: I quit smoking!!!!

From: k_silvermoon@geocities.com (Kitiara)

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:03:10 GMT

--------

Ye-hah!!! It's been almost 3 months. But every once in  a while I do

get the urge to smoke something (and we all know the other alternative

-Cannabis is illegal, so not an option :) but does anyone have any

suggestions to an herbal smoking mixture to curb these smoking

cravings. I don't  consider it cheating as long as I don't smoke

tobacco. I've tried packing catnip leaves in a pipe, and that's ok,

but it really doesn't taste that good.







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Subject: Re: I quit smoking!!!!

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 13:38:34 -0500

--------

Kitiara wrote:

> 

> Ye-hah!!! It's been almost 3 months. But every once in  a while I do

> get the urge to smoke something (and we all know the other alternative

> -Cannabis is illegal, so not an option :) but does anyone have any

> suggestions to an herbal smoking mixture to curb these smoking

> cravings. I don't  consider it cheating as long as I don't smoke

> tobacco. I've tried packing catnip leaves in a pipe, and that's ok,

> but it really doesn't taste that good.



Whole Foods Market and its other stores of different names will have

various smoking mixtures - Mishma or Kinnikinnik [which you should

be able to find with and without tobacco].  Experiment until you find

a taste you like....



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: I quit smoking!!!!

From: Rick Hamell <hamellr@direct-source.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:26:31 GMT

--------

Kitiara wrote:

> 

> Ye-hah!!! It's been almost 3 months. But every once in  a while I do

> get the urge to smoke something (and we all know the other alternative





	Well, I know it's not an herbal remedy, but a very good friend of mine

had some anti-smoking acupuncture done. After that she no longer craved

any, and  the two or three times she tried smoking, it's was physically

repulsive to her to the point that she came close to vomiting. That was

two years ago, and she hasn't gone back.



						Rick





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Subject: Re: I quit smoking!!!!

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 22:52:53 -0700

--------

You might want to try smoking mugwort.  If that is not to your liking you

can try cloves, but they tend to be harsh so I prefer to mix them with mint

or thyme(preferably lemon thyme)...Good luck! :)







Kitiara wrote in message <35d86177.4718413@nntp.ix.netcom.com>...

>Ye-hah!!! It's been almost 3 months. But every once in  a while I do

>get the urge to smoke something (and we all know the other alternative

>-Cannabis is illegal, so not an option :) but does anyone have any

>suggestions to an herbal smoking mixture to curb these smoking

>cravings. I don't  consider it cheating as long as I don't smoke

>tobacco. I've tried packing catnip leaves in a pipe, and that's ok,

>but it really doesn't taste that good.

>









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Subject: Re: I quit smoking!!!!

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 09:18:33 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Kitiara wrote:

> 

> Ye-hah!!! It's been almost 3 months. But every once in  a while I do

> get the urge to smoke something (and we all know the other alternative

> -Cannabis is illegal, so not an option :) but does anyone have any

> suggestions to an herbal smoking mixture to curb these smoking

> cravings. I don't  consider it cheating as long as I don't smoke

> tobacco. I've tried packing catnip leaves in a pipe, and that's ok,

> but it really doesn't taste that good.



Firstly, Congrats on quitting!! :-) I quit a month ago after years of

smoking.. :) tough but it worked. Okay, now on to the good stuff. :)

While smoking any substance isn't the best for your body, here are a few

i've tried in the past, some in combination:



Just remember - you don't want to get hooked on smoking herbs - you want

to quit smoking altogether. ;) 



* Mugwort (leaves)

* Coltsfoot 

* Hops (flowers)

* Damiana

* Corn Silk (adding it to the cigarette (in small amnts.)slows burning)

* Catnip

* Mints (peppermint/chocolate mint/spearmint/etc)



I'm sure there were a few others, but it's been so long i've forgotten.

;)



-Val





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To: k_silvermoon@geocities.com

Subject: Re: I quit smoking!!!!

From: Sky <s1025459@admiral.umsl.edu>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:55:14 -0500

--------

Have you tried mixing sage with the catnip?  My hubby is trying to quit

now, so he just thought of trying it after reading your post.  As he puts

it, it's rather pleasant, almost like a fancy pipe tobacco.  I tried it,

thought it was tasty!



Peace,

Sky



Kitiara wrote:



> Ye-hah!!! It's been almost 3 months. But every once in  a while I do

> get the urge to smoke something (and we all know the other alternative

> -Cannabis is illegal, so not an option :) but does anyone have any

> suggestions to an herbal smoking mixture to curb these smoking

> cravings. I don't  consider it cheating as long as I don't smoke

> tobacco. I've tried packing catnip leaves in a pipe, and that's ok,

> but it really doesn't taste that good.











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Subject: Re: I quit smoking!!!!

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 18:23:40 -0500

--------

Hokay, here's the ritual warning.  Pregnant women should not smoke 

"sage."  Yes, there is different effect as between the salvias and 

the artemesias.  In practice you may or may not know which you are 

getting, so the better part of valor is avoidance.



-Kyra



Sky wrote:

> 

> Have you tried mixing sage with the catnip?  My hubby is trying to 

> quit now, so he just thought of trying it after reading your post.  

> As he puts it, it's rather pleasant, almost like a fancy pipe 

> tobacco.  I tried it, thought it was tasty!

> 

> Kitiara wrote:

> 

> > Ye-hah!!! It's been almost 3 months. But every once in  a while I 

> > do get the urge to smoke something (and we all know the other 

> > alternative -Cannabis is illegal, so not an option :) but does 

> > anyone have any suggestions to an herbal smoking mixture to curb 

> > these smoking cravings. I don't  consider it cheating as long as 

> > I don't smoke tobacco. I've tried packing catnip leaves in a pipe, 

> > and that's ok, but it really doesn't taste that good.





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Subject: Garlic Question

From: Carolyn <Carolynjoy@mailexcite.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:01:09 -0500

--------

Just wondering how much raw garlic is too much to eat in one day?  Is

there an amount where if consumed in one day, there are health risks,

maybe to the stomach???  Thanks!



:o)

Carolyn







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Subject: Re: Garlic Question

From: ravinamk@aol.com (RAVI NAM K)

Date: 18 Aug 1998 05:40:11 GMT

--------

>Just wondering how much raw garlic is too much to eat in one day?



If everyone in your neighborhood posts a "for sale" sign in their yards, you

have had too much.

:-)





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Subject: Re: Garlic Question

From: "Todd" <TODD-O.no@spam.worldnet.att.net>

Date: 19 Aug 1998 19:35:15 GMT

--------

According to German health authorities, the daily dose is 4 grams of fresh

garlic per day. Processed garlic products should contain at least 5,000 mcg

of allicin per day. Clinical and pharmacological studies have shown that 5.4

mg of allicin daily can lower blood cholesterol levels.



In rare cases, allergic reactions to garlic have been reported and some

individuals may experience heartburn or flatulence from consumption.

Specific amounts seem to depend upon the individual.

--

BioLifeplus Nutritional Supplements

Nutrition for the New You!



For more information about nutritional supplements

visit our website at: http://www.biolifeplus.com



Carolyn wrote in message <35D8A822.E9F8DDF4@mailexcite.com>...

>Just wondering how much raw garlic is too much to eat in one day?  Is

>there an amount where if consumed in one day, there are health risks,

>maybe to the stomach???  Thanks!

>

>:o)

>Carolyn

>









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Subject: Lyme or Infectious Disease?

From: Carolyn <Carolynjoy@mailexcite.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 17:11:56 -0500

--------

Just wondering if anyone in here has been helped by herbs for Lyme

Disease or any other infectious disease.  If so, what do you have and

what herbs have helped you?  Thanks in advance!



:o)

Carolyn







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Subject: Lyme or Infectious Disease?

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 18 Aug 98 10:58:57 EDT

--------

Carolyn <Carolynjoy@mailexcite.com>  wrote:

Ca> Just wondering if anyone in here has been helped by herbs for Lyme

Ca> Disease or any other infectious disease.  If so, what do you have and

Ca> what herbs have helped you?  Thanks in advance!



    One poster said in another ng that he used the herb, pau d' arco,

    for this and other aliments.



.. End  of  message

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]





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Subject: Re: Lyme or Infectious Disease?

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:32:07 -0500

--------

From Healthy Healing by Linda Rector-Page, N.D., Ph.D.--

"Lyme disease is caused by a micro-organism that is transmitted to humans by

the deer tick. It is a serious, steadily debilitating, degenerative disease,

with symptoms much like those of arthritis. It is difficult to guard

against. Antibiotics are the current medical treatment of choice, and seem

to work in the initial phases, symptoms usually recur after he drugs are

withdrawn, and they do not work in the later stages at all. Natural

therapies that address the disease as if it were a virus have had the best

success. Strong immune enhancement is the best defense."



A modified macrobiotic diet is recommended for 2 to 3 months to strengthen

then body while cleaning out and overcoming the disease.

Take a potassium broth twice a week.

Have a vegetable drink or eat a fresh green salad every day.

Take 1 teaspoon each daily--Wheat germ oil for body oxygen, Egg Yolk

Lecithin, Royal Jelly 40,000 mg. or more. (You made need to have dosages

changed because these doses are for an adult rather than a child.)

Avoid alcohol, tobacco, all refined and caffeine containing foods, and

sugars. Omit red meat, high gluten and starchy foods.

Herbs:

Check into Ginseng, Reishi, Astralgus, Garlic, Echinacea.

Also look into anti-oxidants and a good Vitamin C--preferably made from a

natural source, with bioflavonoids.



Good luck to you.

Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











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Subject: Re: Lyme or Infectious Disease?

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:47:42 GMT

--------

Carolyn <Carolynjoy@mailexcite.com> wrote:



>Just wondering if anyone in here has been helped by herbs for Lyme

>Disease or any other infectious disease. 



There is a Lyme (and CFS) regimen on my web page at



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



in the Suggested Regimens for Various Maladies section.



The best all around herbal remedy I have found for acute 

infectious diseases in general is the following.



Medium clove of garlic

Similar size piece of ginger

1 heaping teaspoon dried thyme leaves (more if fresh)

Juice of 1/2 lemon



Crush garlic and shave ginger into cup.  Add lemon juice and

thyme.  Pour 4-8 ounces boiling hot water over it and

let sit until cool enough to swig down. 



Take up to three times per day up to one week.



This mixture does not taste as bad as you would

think, but is still hot tasting and will leave you smelling

like garlic.  It is excellent for many 

bacterial, viral, fungal, and parasitic illnesses.



turf







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Subject: Ginseng root or capsules

From: hhgallen@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:43:12 GMT

--------

I have recently bought some packs of Ginseng in Malaysia as they are sold

there in supermarkets. The packs contain some 50 to 100 gram of rather small

roots, plus an insert in a small plastic bag containing a tar-like substance.

Staff in supermarkets have told me it is to be used when making a tea out of

the roots. They also told me to use the full pack at once in making tea,

which seemed rather much. Could anybody give me a hint what the tar-like

substance is? I have read in a posting on Yohimbe that when making Yohimbe

tea, it should be cooked with an organic acid to extract the alkaloid. I use

about 10 grams of the root to make a tea. I have raised the quantity slowly.

Using 10 grams of the roots, prepared as tea, doesn't do me any harm. I've

been wondering whether the active ingredients are extracted without using the

tar-like substance. I have also tried eating the roots after the tea has been

boiled. They become soft and easy to chew, and don't have an unpleasant taste

(so they don't have the typical Ginseng taste of the tea anymore). The

Ginseng tea I brew as indicated above does seem to do me good... though it's

always far easier to tell when something doesn't do good but bad. I have

tried Ginseng capsules before trying the Ginseng root, and I can say that one

product, containing 450 milligrams of alleged highest quality Royal Korean

Ginseng did NOT have a positive, but a negative effect. I tried it several

times over a period of weeks, and the effect always was rather

vasoconstrictive: a tendency to become nervous, erectile problems and

shrinkage (like low-dose speed), slight headache. And that was after

ingesting less than a gram of this product. I had taken other capsules for

prolonged times, and I felt sexually healthy while I did (in combination with

Ginkgo Biloba), but had repeated failures when I ran out of those particular

capsules. I'm aware that with botanicals, one may, at one time, get parts of

a harvest that is different in composition than what one gets another time. I

wonder whether somebody has more of an explanation.



Regards,



Hans-Hubert



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Subject: What is "herbal ecstacy"???

From: "WMC" <wmcdata@wmcdata.com>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 20:57:28 -0400

--------

On several occasions recently I've heard people mention "herbal ecstacy".

It's my understanding that ecstacy is an illegal drug, which makes me

curious - does anyone know what the herbal version consists of?









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Subject: Re: What is "herbal ecstacy"???

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:49:56 GMT

--------

"WMC" <wmcdata@wmcdata.com> wrote:



>On several occasions recently I've heard people mention "herbal ecstacy".

>It's my understanding that ecstacy is an illegal drug, which makes me

>curious - does anyone know what the herbal version consists of?



  It's usually a mix of large doses of caffiene and ephedrine

(from ma huang and guarana) with token amounts of herbs that

sound good (like ginseng) and maybe vitamins.  The overdose of

the two main ingredients produces a sort of frenzied "high"

feeling ... resembling that you would get after five expressos,

and a false burst of energy.  This is follwed by a crash, of

course.

  The combo can, in some persons, send their blood pressure

dangerously high, produce unpleasant hallucinations, and has

killed a few people.  None of the ingredients is inherently

harmful, but in the doses usually taken, they aren't good for

you.



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





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Subject: Re: What is "herbal ecstacy"???

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 18 Aug 1998 16:32:35 GMT

--------

<<The combo can, in some persons, send their blood pressure

dangerously high, produce unpleasant hallucinations, and has

killed a few people>>



I dont recommend this product at all but pls keep in mind tha the deaths

occurred in people who far exceeded the recomendeddosage on the product

labeling



the one story i remember the most as it was on 20/20 or some such the boy in ??

took like 5 xs the recomended dosage





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To: WMC <wmcdata@wmcdata.com>

Subject: Re: What is "herbal ecstacy"???

From: Sky <s1025459@admiral.umsl.edu>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:07:28 -0500

--------

Based on news coverage I saw of the herbal extasy stuff, the main active

ingredient seems to be ephedra.  The reason this stuff got so much news

coverage is that kids were taking way too much of it in order to reach

the high they wanted, which was too much for their hearts to handle.

The folks that I've know who have tried it only used the recommended

amount, they all said it was a rip off.  If you're looking for an herbal

version of extasy, this ain't it according to all the info I've read or

heard.  The biggest similarity is the danger to your health.



Peace,

Sky







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Subject: Re: What is "herbal ecstacy"???

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:25:50 GMT

--------

Sky <s1025459@admiral.umsl.edu> wrote:



>Based on news coverage I saw of the herbal extasy stuff, the main active

>ingredient seems to be ephedra.  The reason this stuff got so much news

>coverage is that kids were taking way too much of it in order to reach

>the high they wanted, which was too much for their hearts to handle.

>The folks that I've know who have tried it only used the recommended

>amount, they all said it was a rip off. 

  Exactly the problem - a safe dose gives no "high", and a dose

high enough to have the desired feeling is dangerous.



Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





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Subject: Re: What is "herbal ecstacy"???

From: quester@sjm.infi.net (Harold Groot)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 07:25:42 GMT

--------

On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:26:58 -0700, "William & Kimberly Jarvis"

<WmJarvis@email.msn.com> wrote:



>I have used Ephedra tea when I start to get colds and it stops them before

>they get started.  I tried using it on hubby too, but it doesn't have the

>same effect.

>

>Kim Jarvis



You wanted something that would stop your husband cold before he got

started?  Hmmmm....   How about a cold shower?  <grin>







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Subject: Re: What is "herbal ecstacy"???

From: alcastellosa@access.ch (Crocodile)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:51:26 GMT

--------

"WMC" <wmcdata@wmcdata.com> wrote:



>On several occasions recently I've heard people mention "herbal ecstacy".

>It's my understanding that ecstacy is an illegal drug, which makes me

>curious - does anyone know what the herbal version consists of?





It consists of Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang).



Best Wishes,

Mike



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Subject: Re: What is "herbal ecstacy"???

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:58:08 GMT

--------

On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:51:26 GMT, alcastellosa@access.ch (Crocodile) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>"WMC" <wmcdata@wmcdata.com> wrote:

>>On several occasions recently I've heard people mention "herbal ecstacy".

>>It's my understanding that ecstacy is an illegal drug, which makes me

>>curious - does anyone know what the herbal version consists of?

>

>It consists of Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang).



Which contains ephedrine, which in turn mimicks adrenaline. So it's good, when

needed, for the kind of asthma which comes with constricted tubes (adrenaline

opens them), but not good for weight loss or other such frivolous purposes.

Especially not on an ongoing basis. You want to stay healthy, don't you?



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: comfrey is unbelievable!

From: michael brown <mbrown@kih.net>

Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 23:50:37 -0400

--------

Last week, I accidentally tried an experiment with comfrey.  I was

bush-hogging around the farm, and as it was such a hot humid day, I was

wearing cut-off blue jeans.  That left my legs wide open to attacks from

wild rose bushes and saw briars.  



Numerous scratches were received from these little fellers. Later in the

day, I stopped to chat with my wife while she was weeding one of her

flower beds and while there commented about the monster comfrey plant

she has growing there.  



While discussing it, I broke a leaf off, crumbled it up until it was

juicy, then rubbed it on a few of the scratches.



Within a few days, it is obvious which scratches were rubbed and which

weren't!  The healing is much more advanced, and in some cases, almost

finished.  The untreated ones still are scabby.



Unbelievable!

-- 

regards,

>>>> NOTE: REMOVE THE TIREDOFSPAM IN THE RETURN ADDRESS TO REPLY! <<<<

michael brown

mbrownTIREDOFSPAM@kih.net





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Subject: Re: comfrey is unbelievable!

From: dgsaba@aol.com (DGSABA)

Date: 18 Aug 1998 16:29:30 GMT

--------

I grow and use comfrey to clean out cuts and scratches for my husband who is

allergic to tetnaus...it works very well.  As you mentioned you can crush it

till juice is plentiful or if the cut is deep I make a poultice and apply it to

the wound and wrap loosely.  



For sprains I steam the large leaves then wrap the sprained area with the

leaves which helps to reduce not only the pain but the puffiness too.

Diana   *Happiness is merely the remission of pain...

  My Homepage links to Our Working Fibro World

  http://members.aol.com./dgsaba/index.html  

  



                                   

 

          

               

              







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Subject: Re: comfrey is unbelievable!

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:57:56 -0700

--------

sad to say, though, that apparently the AMA found out and it has been pulled

from the legal market, at least in my state.

DGSABA wrote in message <1998081816293000.MAA07367@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>I grow and use comfrey to clean out cuts and scratches for my husband who

is

>allergic to tetnaus...it works very well.  As you mentioned you can crush

it

>till juice is plentiful or if the cut is deep I make a poultice and apply

it to

>the wound and wrap loosely.

>

>For sprains I steam the large leaves then wrap the sprained area with the

>leaves which helps to reduce not only the pain but the puffiness too.

>Diana   *Happiness is merely the remission of pain...

>  My Homepage links to Our Working Fibro World

>  http://members.aol.com./dgsaba/index.html

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: comfrey is unbelievable!

From: dgsaba@aol.com (DGSABA)

Date: 20 Aug 1998 05:20:55 GMT

--------

Sparrow...



Why would they pull it?? 



It makes a beautiful landscaping backdrop !!

Diana   *Happiness is merely the remission of pain...

  My Homepage links to Our Working Fibro World

  http://members.aol.com./dgsaba/index.html  

  



                                   

 

          

               

              







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Subject: Re: comfrey is unbelievable!

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 23 Aug 98 15:57:04 GMT

--------

michael brown <mbrown@kih.net> wrote:

>

>While discussing it, I broke a leaf off, crumbled it up until it was

>juicy, then rubbed it on a few of the scratches.

>

>Within a few days, it is obvious which scratches were rubbed and which

>weren't!  The healing is much more advanced, and in some cases, almost

>finished.  The untreated ones still are scabby.



I've never had the opportunity to use the leaves, but I've made

a "goo" from the dried roots, that I used on abrasions and

scratches.



Comfrey contains allantoin (which is an active ingredient in

certain lip balms) that stimulates cell proliferation.  Not

a good idea for a deep wound, as it might cause it to skin

over the top before it is healed deeper, leading to abcesses.



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: carpal tunnel

From: dave@ukonline.net

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 05:18:36 GMT

--------

I had carpal tunnel syndrome from laying hedges all the shock in the

wrists from cutting turfs to create earth walls. I was told by a

doctor that the only cure was to operate. Not liking the idea a friend

gave me some Monkshood tablets (Aconite) and it completely cured it

and I have not suffered from it since.

Dave





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Subject: Re: carpal tunnel

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:01:50 GMT

--------

dave@ukonline.net wrote:



>I had carpal tunnel syndrome from laying hedges all the shock in the

>wrists from cutting turfs to create earth walls. I was told by a

>doctor that the only cure was to operate.

  The doctor was wrong - what you had was "overuse syndrome" from

laying hedges, and needed a rest cure.  Ice and aspirin would

have had the same miraculous effects, as long as you stopped

cutting the turfs.

  If you want to lay more hedges, do the turf-cutting a bit at a

time, or hire a mechanical cutter (if they have them).



Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





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Subject: Re: carpal tunnel

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:46:01 GMT

--------

On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 05:18:36 GMT, dave@ukonline.net wrote:



>I had carpal tunnel syndrome from laying hedges all the shock in the

>wrists from cutting turfs to create earth walls. I was told by a

>doctor that the only cure was to operate. Not liking the idea a friend

>gave me some Monkshood tablets (Aconite) and it completely cured it

>and I have not suffered from it since.

>Dave



Don't tell the doctor or he (or the AMA) will try to have your friend

put in jail and Monkshod taken off the market as a poison.

Paul





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Subject: Re: carpal tunnel

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:28:45 GMT

--------

On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:46:01 GMT, sorry@nospam.com (PTM) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 05:18:36 GMT, dave@ukonline.net wrote:

>

>>I had carpal tunnel syndrome from laying hedges all the shock in the

>>wrists from cutting turfs to create earth walls. I was told by a

>>doctor that the only cure was to operate. Not liking the idea a friend

>>gave me some Monkshood tablets (Aconite) and it completely cured it

>>and I have not suffered from it since.

>

>Don't tell the doctor or he (or the AMA) will try to have your friend

>put in jail and Monkshod taken off the market as a poison.



Well, it -is- poison. Dave, please tell us that these monkshood tablets were

either -homeopathic- or given to you by a -chinese- herbalist.



If you eat the western herb aconite you'll die very quickly.

A homeopathic pill is diluted enough to remove the toxic properties (it has

other properties instead - it's a whole art in itself).

Chinese aconite is rendered untoxic by curing it (but I don't know how to do

that).



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS

From: ravinamk@aol.com (RAVI NAM K)

Date: 18 Aug 1998 05:48:59 GMT

--------

>I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS



>HERBS   SUCH AS  ST JOHN  WORT  KAVA    VALERIAN   MELATONIN   5HTP

>ETC  ETC  ETC ETC ETC   NONE  HAVE  WORKED    ANY  SUGGESTIONS?



A couple of things come to mind: first, juice several stalks of celery; second

(sounds weird, but it works) -- run a few inches of icy water into your tub. 

Step into it and stomp your feet for several minutes.  Go drink your celery

juice and sweet dreams.





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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:13:36 -0700

--------

If someone else tries this and it works, please let me know.  I agree with

the celery, but I would like to know how the water stomping works...Thanks

Sparrow

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RAVI NAM K wrote in message

<1998081805485900.BAA19257@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>>I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA  I HAVE TRIED  MANY  SUPPLEMENTS

>

>>HERBS   SUCH AS  ST JOHN  WORT  KAVA    VALERIAN   MELATONIN   5HTP

>>ETC  ETC  ETC ETC ETC   NONE  HAVE  WORKED    ANY  SUGGESTIONS?

>

>A couple of things come to mind: first, juice several stalks of celery;

second

>(sounds weird, but it works) -- run a few inches of icy water into your

tub.

>Step into it and stomp your feet for several minutes.  Go drink your celery

>juice and sweet dreams.









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Subject: Re: Citrus bioflavonoids

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 08:44:30 GMT

--------

Fred Morenberg <fredm@rockland.net> wrote:



>I notice that citrus bioflavonoids are becoming the preferred filler for

>a number of supplements.

>Does anyone know what the distribution of bioflavonoids is in this pill,

>and is it worth while taking as a supplement?.



  You'd be better off eating the fruit.  And the makers of the

supplements don't provide an analysis of the 'bioflavenoids" so

you can be sure they are the cheapest one or ones on the market.







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Subject: Re: Citrus bioflavonoids

From: John Savage <rookswood@suburbian.com.au>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 18:23:58 GMT

--------

abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:

>Fred Morenberg <fredm@rockland.net> wrote:

>>I notice that citrus bioflavonoids are becoming the preferred filler for

>>a number of supplements.

>>Does anyone know what the distribution of bioflavonoids is in this pill,

>>and is it worth while taking as a supplement?.

>

>You'd be better off eating the fruit.



Maybe not.



A year of so back, in answer to a question of mine on sci.med, someone

replied that citrus is atypical in that its bioflavonoids are principally

found in the white spongy material under the coloured outer skin.



This would be a part of the fruit that few people consume.



>And the makers of the

>supplements don't provide an analysis of the 'bioflavenoids" so

>you can be sure they are the cheapest one or ones on the market.



Does much differ among the various citrus bioflavs? Do they have a

limited shelflife in the dried/pressed form as a tablet filler?

--

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Subject: Thyroid help

From: "Catherine E. Voci" <catvoci@mail.fwi.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 07:35:28 -0400

--------

I had a thyroid test ran it came back "borderline"  My doctor doesn't

want to prescribe medication.  Does anyone know what herbs I can take to

help stimulate my thyroids?



Thanks







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Subject: Re: Thyroid help

From: mbrown@kih.net

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:52:51 GMT

--------

In article <35D96700.DB14B4B2@mail.fwi.com>,

  "Catherine E. Voci" <catvoci@mail.fwi.com> wrote:

> I had a thyroid test ran it came back "borderline"  My doctor doesn't

> want to prescribe medication.  Does anyone know what herbs I can take to

> help stimulate my thyroids?

>

> Thanks



Kelp will do that somewhat.... read about it though, I remember that there

are some side affects, however, at this time I can't remember what they are.

I don't think they were serious unless you had other health problems.



Research it before jumping on the bandwagon. You need to know what you are

taking and for what.





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Subject: Re: Thyroid help

From: vandy@avana.net

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 14:58:46 GMT

--------

On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:52:51 GMT, mbrown@kih.net wrote:



>In article <35D96700.DB14B4B2@mail.fwi.com>,

>  "Catherine E. Voci" <catvoci@mail.fwi.com> wrote:

>> I had a thyroid test ran it came back "borderline"  My doctor doesn't

>> want to prescribe medication.  Does anyone know what herbs I can take to

>> help stimulate my thyroids?





>Kelp will do that somewhat.... read about it though, I remember that there

>are some side affects, however, at this time I can't remember what they are.

>I don't think they were serious unless you had other health problems.



Kelp helps in cases where there is not enough iodine in the diet.  For

most people the source for iodine is iodized table salt or sea food.

If you are not a salt fan or eat much sea food, kelp may improve a

slow metabolism.  Some common side effects are skin rash from allergy

reaction and an inability to sleep.  Do not take kelp just before bed

time, jump starting your metabolism just before your rest cycle is a

bad idea.



>Research it before jumping on the bandwagon. You need to know what you are

>taking and for what.

posted to newsgroup

vandy at avana dot net

Georgia,south eastern USA





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Subject: Re: Thyroid help

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 18:22:05 -0700

--------

I use MICHAEL'S Naturopthic Programs

Thyroid Factors

It works to balance the thyroid.



Sparrow

HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow



Catherine E. Voci wrote in message <35D96700.DB14B4B2@mail.fwi.com>...

>I had a thyroid test ran it came back "borderline"  My doctor doesn't

>want to prescribe medication.  Does anyone know what herbs I can take to

>help stimulate my thyroids?

>

>Thanks

>









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Subject: Herbs for chronic exhaustion? (rather long, sorry!)

From: "Pam Tricket" <xpamelat@datent.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:29:17 +0100

--------

Hi there,

I'm trying to find something (herbal or otherwise but herbs preferred) to

help my mom with chronic "no get up and go".  She is 66, smokes, drinks far

too much black coffee, is very thin and unable to gain weight, no appetite

but makes herself eat (though she can't manage a lot, her stomach is

shrunken from her previously thinking she can exist on toast & coffee - she

doesn't anymore).  She had rheumatic fever as a child which caused some

heart damage (not too severe).  She suffers chronic migraines as well, (they

shoot horses, don't they?  Poor Mom) which are aggravated by her nervous

nature - she stresses out over anything and everything.  She also has a

problem with muscle wastage in one leg, dr's are mystified & can't help

other than with leg exercises.  Other than that, she gets very little

exercise, partly because she is so exhausted.  (She can't run the vacuum for

more than a few minutes, then has to go lie down and rest).  Mom also has a

rather suppressed immune system, and tends to catch everything on the

go....she had pneumonia five times last year, but not even once this year as

I talked her into getting a pneumonia vaccine.  All of this is obviously

very depressing for her, and we have a lot of family strife to contend with

(but that's another story), so depression is part of the issue as well.



Mom has had tons of tests done, they can't find anything wrong - she's now

having monthly B-12 injections, but she says they aren't doing anything (but

is persisting with them).  Now, before everyone starts trumpeting about her

smoking and coffee, she will not even consider giving either up...I have

tried persuading her!   I live 4000 miles away from her, so have a problem

even seeing that she makes an effort to eat properly.



If anyone has any advice to give, I would be most grateful.  My apologies

for the long post, I wanted to give as clear a picture as possible (and I

expect I'll remember some crucial point, right after I press Send!!).

Thanks for listening.

--

Pam

(remove x from my address to send e-mail)



(The views expressed in this communication are my own

and do not represent the views of my employer or any

other third party.)











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Subject: Re: Herbs for chronic exhaustion? (rather long, sorry!)

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:17:02 GMT

--------

"Pam Tricket" <xpamelat@datent.com> wrote:



>Hi Tsu Doho Nimh,

>

>Tell me something I don't know!  To be blunt, she is very set in her ways

>and will smoke and drink her coffee regardless of the health implications.

>The way she looks at it, she already feels so crappy, why should she deny

>herself what she considers her only pleasures? 



  It is possible to permanently screw up your metabolism and body

- she has been on the basic "prisoner of war" diet voluntarily,

and it will take some effort to recover what she can of her

health.



Try St. John's Wort and Lemon Balm (makes a good tea) to get at

the underlying depression, and Damiana to boost her metabolism

without the jitters.  They will take a few weeks to kick in -

make sure she knows that.



  Unfortunately the really GOOD appetite stimulant is illegal. 

  One way to get extra calories without extra bulk (and she

probably is semi-starved, hence the extreme exhaustion) is to

make a Carnation Instant breakfast with a mix of milk and light

cream.  Or make a milkshake with it, with top-quality ice cream.

  Multiple snacks, every hour or two all day long, will be better

than three meals a day as she gets accustomed to eating more.  It

can be just an ounce of cheese and a few crackers, or a chicken

leg and some fruit.



  She needs a good basic multi-vitamin supplement to make up for

some of the crappy diet and to help her regenerate.



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Subject: Re: Herbs for chronic exhaustion? (rather long, sorry!)

From: "Pam Tricket" <xpamelat@datent.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 10:20:03 +0100

--------

Hi Tsu Dho Nimh,



(Just noticed a typo in your name when I last posted, my apologies!)



Thanks so much for the advice, I will get everything together for her in the

next day or two and send it to her.  (I do know she takes whatever I send

her, so hopefully this will help send her in the right direction)



I can't buy the Carnation Instant B'fast here (UK), but remember them well!

I'll try to talk her into doing this, but she doesn't like milk so it won't

be easy -- but sounds like a really good idea to me.  There are "build up"

drinks here which I could send her, but I know they taste absolutely

disgusting so I won't waste my time trying to entice her with them.



She is taking a very good multivitamin, not just one with the minimum RDA's

but reasonable levels.  If I could just get her to cut back on the coffee &

cigs...  (Get ready to cringe, she smokes homemade unfiltered ones)



Thanks again for the kind advice, hopefully I will post back here in a month

or two with good news.

--

Pam

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(The views expressed in this communication are my own

and do not represent the views of my employer or any

other third party.)













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Subject: Re: Herbs for chronic exhaustion? (rather long, sorry!)

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:08:13 GMT

--------

"Pam Tricket" <xpamelat@datent.com> wrote:



>I can't buy the Carnation Instant B'fast here (UK), but remember them well!

>I'll try to talk her into doing this, but she doesn't like milk so it won't

>be easy -- but sounds like a really good idea to me.  There are "build up"

>drinks here which I could send her, but I know they taste absolutely

>disgusting so I won't waste my time trying to entice her with them.

 Any high-calorie, relatively low-volume local food that she

likes would serve the purpose - I suggested ice cream because

it's very calory-heavy.  Cream-based cheeses for snacks, lots of

butter on the bread, shortbread, sausage, (just think of what

would make a cardiologist cringe, and suggest it).

Tsu Dho Nimh



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To: J & J <jlr54@pipeline.com>

Subject: Re: Herbs for chronic exhaustion? (rather long, sorry!)

From: Katherine Hernandez <katt@shell.gis.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 00:33:05 -0400

--------

I agree; I have had simalar difficulties with caffine. ANother thing you

might want to do; I have read in several sources now that ADD is often

diagnosed falsely and off-the-cuff, because it is a "chic" disorder right

now. You may want to study up and be sure that's what is really ailing

her; I have read that anywhere from 20% to 80% of add diagnosises are

false, and are a quick and easy ways for doctors to usher people out of

their over crowde offices. . . this makes things hard for both the people

with add and those who are is diagnosed. . . I find eating right, sleeping

and waking on as strict a schedule as I can manage, and not ingesting or

inbibing substabces which have an "Up-and-crash" effect like caffine and

sweets are all helpful in lessening and eliminating my depressive states.

When it gets really bad, I find Bach Rescue Remedy useful(its a Bach

FLower Remedy, comes in a dropper bottle). About five drops under the

tonge. . . and I have heard simalr reports from many others about it. 



GOod Luck-

						-Katt



On Thu, 20 Aug 1998, J & J wrote:



> It may be impossible, but if you can, wean her off the caffeine, it

> might be helpful with the depression. About two years ago, I'm 44, my

> depression was at it's worst (but still considered 'mild' ).I couldn't

> handle caffeine at all. One cup of coffee, and I would get jittery,

> and have difficulty breathing. One day, I could handle half a pot, the

> next, I couldn't drink half a glass of tea without almost having a

> panic attack. 

> Getting off caffeine will be tough. But she can still enjoy

> de-caffinated coffee (or teas and colas), some are very good. And it

> goes without saying that the caffeine is also suppressing her

> appetite. I think your biggest problem is going to be getting her

> motivated. Good luck.

> Julia

> --"That wasn't in the brochure."--Billy Crystal

> 

> 







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Subject: Re: Herbs for chronic exhaustion? (rather long, sorry!)

From: "Pam Tricket" <xpamelat@datent.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:49:10 +0100

--------

I think it will be impossible, I've been trying to get her to cut back on

the caffeine but it's not easy.  Sometimes I think she just says she IS

doing whatever I'm hassling her about, just to get me off her case.  Wish I

could get her over here for six months, would solve everything wrong with

her, I'm sure.  I'll carry on trying, though.

--

Pam

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(The views expressed in this communication are my own

and do not represent the views of my employer or any

other third party.)



J & J wrote in message <35dc6102.1608504@news.pipeline.com>...

>It may be impossible, but if you can, wean her off the caffeine, it

>might be helpful with the depression. About two years ago, I'm 44, my

>depression was at it's worst (but still considered 'mild' ).I couldn't

>handle caffeine at all. One cup of coffee, and I would get jittery,

>and have difficulty breathing. One day, I could handle half a pot, the

>next, I couldn't drink half a glass of tea without almost having a

>panic attack.

>Getting off caffeine will be tough. But she can still enjoy

>de-caffinated coffee (or teas and colas), some are very good. And it

>goes without saying that the caffeine is also suppressing her

>appetite. I think your biggest problem is going to be getting her

>motivated. Good luck.

>Julia

>--"That wasn't in the brochure."--Billy Crystal









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Subject: Re: Herbs for chronic exhaustion? (rather long, sorry!)

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 16:09:28 GMT

--------

There are a great number of herbs that are available for that condition. It's

something that anyone who knows elderly people has to contend with, so here

are some of the things that herbalists have come up with over the centuries:



Smartweed (Polygonum spp.) Buckwheat family. The roots of this plant,

especially very old roots, are a tonic for restoring vitality and

youthfulness to the aged. The asian version (Polygonum multiflorum) is very

popular in Central Asia, and the american version (P. persicaria) is popular

in Appalachia (two of the places where I have researched herb lore). Also a

common roadside/wallside weed.



Maidenhair Tree (Ginkgo biloba) Ginkgo family. An extract from the leaves

Increases blood flow to the brain, which can improve not only memory and

clarity of thought but also motivation and wakefulness. Unfortunately, it may

also aggravate migraines in some individuals. So tell her not to take this

during	a migraine, and if it seems to be causing them to be more frequent,

discontinue use.  sub note: Feverfew (Chrysanthemum parthenium) is an

effective remedy for migraine headaches in most individuals, as it helps to

regulate production of the neurotransmitter Serotonin.



Ginseng (Panax spp.) Aralia family. Good for stamina, often used as a tonic

for longevity and general health. Most commercially-available ginseng

products are very weak, so be careful what you buy, if you buy.



Thank you for making your post so long. Sure it took a whole minute to read

it, but the relevant information included took a lot of guesswork out of

trying to help.



bentley





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Subject: Re: Herbs for chronic exhaustion? (rather long, sorry!)

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:57:21 -0700

--------

You may try to get her to srink chicory instead of coffee.  It is a start.

Also people with add often react to stimulants with opposite reactions.

Instead of being stimulsted they are depressed.  You may try Plex.  It is a

high protein supplement sold in herb stores and health food stores.  We use

the kids plex with my son, and it works wonders.  When he gets hyper, we

give him a cup of blck coffee and it calms him right down.....

good luck



Sparrow

HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow



Pam Tricket wrote in message

<903689535.26397.0.nnrp-03.c3ad0896@news.demon.co.uk>...

>>Smartweed (Polygonum spp.) Buckwheat family. The roots of this plant,

>>especially very old roots, are a tonic for restoring vitality and

>>youthfulness to the aged.

>

>

>Ohhhh, Bentley -- don't let my mom catch you calling her aged!!  (Just

>teasing)  Thanks for that, I think the Smartweed sounds great.  Boy is the

>post office gonna love me...

>--

>Pam

>(remove x from my address to send e-mail)

>

>(The views expressed in this communication are my own

>and do not represent the views of my employer or any

>other third party.)

>

>

>

>









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Subject: Re: Herbs for chronic exhaustion? (rather long, sorry!)

From: "Pam Tricket" <xpamelat@datent.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:45:11 +0100

--------

Yep, she had a full thyroid profile done when she was losing weight in spite

of eating -- it was the first thing her doctor did.  Came back absolutely

rock solid normal.

--

Pam

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and do not represent the views of my employer or any

other third party.)



    green74@webtv.net wrote in message

<20275-35DC9CCC-136@newsd-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

    Has she had her thyroid tested?  I don''t know just a suggestion.













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Subject: Re: Herbs for chronic exhaustion? (rather long, sorry!)

From: logic@xspamx.dircon.co.uk (The Ginger Tabby)

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:30:34 GMT

--------

Hi Pam,



In addition to the great advice offered you here by the others, I

would like to suggest she check her thyroid.  Being unable to gain

weight is a big sign, so it could be that.  Please look at the

following URLs for information and a self test that is far more

accurate than those blood tests they swear by at the doctor's surgery.

Please note, I have been hypothyroid for years and tests NEVER picked

it up.  Your average NHS GP will be loathe to diagnose by anything

other than a blood test, so if she does test positive on the self test

and not on the blood test, I can recommend a wonderful endocrinologist

who diagnoses the old fashioned way - by studying his patient and

their history.  Good luck!



http://www.healthy.net/library/articles/schacter/hypothyr.d.htm



http://www.healthherbs.com/basal.htm



http://thyroid.miningco.com/



Kat





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Subject: Uric Acid

From: Kingfisher <myworld@singnet.com.sg>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:56:28 +0800

--------

Hi Folks !



I understand that consuming large quantities of poutry will contribute

to increase urid acid in the blood. Can anyone suggest some good

herbal tea to counter this.



Concern





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Subject: Re: Uric Acid

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:59:39 GMT

--------

Kingfisher <myworld@singnet.com.sg> wrote:



>Hi Folks !



>I understand that consuming large quantities of poutry will contribute

>to increase urid acid in the blood. Can anyone suggest some good

>herbal tea to counter this.



Here is a pH regimen.  The tri-salts are hard to find in health food

stores.  Call around.   I found it for sale on the net (cheap, but

forget where) by doing a netsearch on "Cardiological Research

Ecological Formulas Tri-Salts"



=========================== pH ==========================



Ecological Formula's Tri-Salts Reagant Grade Bicarbonates

or chelated calcium-magnesium supplement.



Nitrazine paper



Morton's Lite Salt



=========================================================



Some think cancer and some other degenerative diseases are 

affected by a too-acid mantle, so raising pH to normal levels 

is desirable.  Oxygen is absorbed more efficiently by the cells 

when the body is tending alkaline, however, alkylosis can be a 

problem just like acidosis, although it is less common.  One 

problem with tending toward acidosis is that the body will 

maintain blood pH in a narrow range at all costs.  When it 

tends acid, calcium and other minerals are removed from the 

bones or organs to bring the pH up, and this can cause mineral 

deficiencies which can affect cellular respiration and 

nutrition, immune function, and contribute to mineral deposit 

formation.   When it is too base, the kidneys merely excrete 

the extra minerals, which is no problem (unless there are renal 

problems.)  This is one reason acidosis is much more common 

than alkylosis. The other reason is most people do not eat 

enough fruit and vegetables to compensate for all the grains 

and meats they consume.



The way to tell toward what one tends is to use nitrazine paper 

for a few mornings and see what the average pH is.  It is 

usually used for urine, but will work with saliva, too.  The 

ideal pH is around 6.0-6.5 for morning urine.   Nitrazine is pH 

paper that gives an indication of the actual pH rather than 

litmus paper, which only tells greater or less than 7.0.  It is 

expensive, and available at some pharmacies - call around.



If the urine is too acid, the easiest solution is to use a 

mineral supplement, especially at night.  The best one I have 

seen for this purpose is Ecological Formula's Tri Salts, which 

is reagent quality calcium, magnesium, and potassium carbonates 

and bicarbonates.  Although this base (carbonate/bicarbonate)

form of minerals is not really necessary, it seems to work

faster than products that are better absorbed, like chelated

calcium magnesium products.  One of the better chelated ones is

Country Life Calcium Magnesium Potassium, and chelated ones

are probably better to take in the long run.  For excess stomach

acid, however, nothing beats taking the tri-salts.  The tri-salts can

also be used to make mineral ascorbates if taking vitamin C in acid

form upsets the stomach.



As far as adjusting the body pH up through dietary means, the 

best solution is to eat more fruits and vegetables and less 

grains and meats.  The pH tendency of foods is not much based 

on their acid content or taste, but on the mineral content.  

For example, lemons make the body alkyline and most bread makes 

it acid.



Base minerals (calcium, magnesium, potassium, sodium) balance 

out acid minerals (sulfur, phosphorous, chlorine).  Balance is 

best - don't try to overcompensate by eating only base fruits 

and vegetables since phosphorous and sulfur are very important 

to the body.



Phosphorous is contained in proteins and most grains.  Proteins 

almost always also contain sulfur and little magnesium or 

calcium, so they are acid-forming foods.   Some fish is less 

acid forming since they contain a decent amount of potassium 

(and maybe some calcium and magnesium) to balance out the acid 

minerals but most are quite acid forming.  Most whole grains 

are not too bad (for this aspect) since they have a little 

calcium and a decent amount of magnesium (in the hull) but 

refined flour, with the hull removed, is acid forming since 

most of the magnesium has been removed and there is nothing to 

balance all the phosphorous in the germ.  Some nuts have a 

decent ratio of calcium/magnesium to phosphorous/sulfur, but 

they are almost all acid-forming except for almonds, with their 

high calcium and good magnesium content.  Dairy products have 

calcium and potassium to balance the phosphorous and sulfur, so 

are not that bad in the acid forming respect (but take 

magnesium with the calcium).  Rice and soy milk don't have 

calcium or magnesium or quite enough potassium to balance all 

the phosphorous unless they are calcium enriched, like Edensoy 

Extra.  Fruits and vegetables usually lack the acid components, 

and can have a good amount of potassium and sodium and a few 

are good sources of calcium, so are generally base-forming.  

High content sulfur vegetables like cabbage, onions, and garlic 

are less base-forming.



The best way to ensure a balance is to just eat a serving or 

more of fruit or vegetables for every serving of protein or 

grain and take a cal-mag supplement and use a potassium-rich 

salt (like Morton's Lite Salt) for insurance.  



=================================















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Subject: Re: Uric Acid

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:02:24 GMT

--------

Kingfisher <myworld@singnet.com.sg> wrote:



>I understand that consuming large quantities of poutry will contribute

>to increase urid acid in the blood. Can anyone suggest some good

>herbal tea to counter this.



  Drink more water ... your body is capable of keeping the urinc

acid level at normal if you guve it plenty of water to work with.

  Eat less poultry - you'd have to eat a LOT to affect your uric

acid levels.  How much are you talking about ... in terms of

chickens per day consumed?







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Subject: Re: Uric Acid

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:29:54 GMT

--------

In article <35D9961C.5DB6@singnet.com.sg>,

  Kingfisher <myworld@singnet.com.sg> wrote:

> Hi Folks !

>

> I understand that consuming large quantities of poultry will contribute

> to increase urid acid in the blood. Can anyone suggest some good

> herbal tea to counter this.

>

> Concern

>

Might I suggest not eating large quantities of poultry? Or drinking more water

to flush your system out better? An herbal tea for this would have to be a

diuretic, and diuretics can be stressful to the system if used over long

periods of time.



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Subject: Re: Uric Acid

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:04:29 -0700

--------





bentl3y@my-dejanews.com wrote:



> In article <35D9961C.5DB6@singnet.com.sg>,

>   Kingfisher <myworld@singnet.com.sg> wrote:

> > Hi Folks !

> >

> > I understand that consuming large quantities of poultry will contribute

> > to increase urid acid in the blood. Can anyone suggest some good

> > herbal tea to counter this.

> >

> > Concern



If you must eat large quantities of poultry and increase uric acid levels, pure

cherry juice will bring the levels down.  Spinach also increases uric acid levels.







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Subject: Re: Uric Acid

From: "Bill" <lotus123@gte.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 03:21:40 -0500

--------

Can't help you with the tea. But, drinking pure cold water would probably be

better than the tea, anyway.



BTW, it's NOT poultry that increases the uric acid level in an otherwise

normal, healthy person. Red Wine, Red Meat, Cheese and Lentils are the

normal culprits for uric acid increase in the body. Uric Acid can sometimes

cause Gout. Believe me. I know what I am talking about as I have had it

several times until I heard about what I said above.



Bill





Kingfisher wrote in message <35D9961C.5DB6@singnet.com.sg>...

>Hi Folks !

>

>I understand that consuming large quantities of poutry will contribute

>to increase urid acid in the blood. Can anyone suggest some good

>herbal tea to counter this.

>

>Concern









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Subject: PROUD FLESH (KELOIDS)

From: ravenh@usit.net (Raven Hardin)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:01:22 GMT

--------

Does anyone know how to use burnt alum to remove keloids? I need to

know where to obtain burnt alum and how to use it to remove keloids. I

am also open to any suggestions to releive the itching, or removal of

keloids by other natural methods.







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Subject: Re: PROUD FLESH (KELOIDS)

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:06:32 GMT

--------

ravenh@usit.net (Raven Hardin) wrote:



>Does anyone know how to use burnt alum to remove keloids?

  Keloids (overgrowth of scar tissue) are tricky to remove,

because if you screw up, they just get BIGGER!



>I am also open to any suggestions to releive the itching, or removal of

>keloids by other natural methods.

  The itching is probably relievable by cocoa butter or other

lubricating lotions.

  As for "natural" methods to remove keloids ... there are some

caustic substances but I'm not going to tell you what they are

opr how to get them because the chances of serious damage and/or

larger scars if far greater than the chances of improving them.



  Have you considered a dermatologist or plastic surgeon?  They

treat these fairly often (whereas you are working on your first

patient - yourself).







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Subject: Kava Kava

From: "Marie B." <mbassili@yahoo.com>

Date: 18 Aug 1998 10:51:26 -0500

--------

I've been suffering from depression and stress lately and my doctor

suggested I try taking 2 450 mg capsules of Kava Kava twice daily.  Any

experience with this?  I've been taking it for 5 days and haven't noticed

any difference.  Does it take time to start working?  Also, which is more

effective, Kava Kava or St John's Wort?



-- 

Marie B.

Proud mommy to Jessica, born May 12

Military brat 22 years, military spouse 4 years









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Subject: Re: Kava Kava

From: a31960@aol.com (A31960)

Date: 18 Aug 1998 15:01:58 GMT

--------

Kava Kava had no effect at all when I took it for insomnia





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Subject: Re: Kava Kava

From: "Silverthorn Wolf" <vmsmith@nospam.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 12:11:47 -0500

--------

St.. John's Wort didn't do anything for me.  I have been taking Kava Kava

for about 3 weeks now and I find that I don't worry nearly so much, and I

haven't been stressed out as much.

Then at night right before bed, I take 2 capsules of Valarian Root (150mg.)

It helps me get to sleep.  I wake up refreshed and ready to go.



Silverthorn Wolf

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Subject: Re: Kava Kava

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:12:32 GMT

--------

"Marie B." <mbassili@yahoo.com> wrote:



>I've been suffering from depression and stress lately and my doctor

>suggested I try taking 2 450 mg capsules of Kava Kava twice daily. 



I would more recommend eating adequate protein and fat with 

every meal and snack (as in the Zone diet), taking a multivitamin

with plenty of B vitamins (like VegLife Multi), and a cal-mag

(like Solaray Calcium Magnesium).  



Interesting note I read on kava today was it is thought to 

be decreasing the birth rate in areas where it is widely

used.  When guys become kava heads, they have less

interest in sex.



Given that, the best kava products are alcohol extract.  I think

the afficianados prefer Herb Pharm brand  (someone correct me if I'm 

wrong). 



turf







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Subject: Re: Kava Kava

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:28:26 GMT

--------

I think

the afficianados prefer Herb Pharm brand  (someone correct me if I'm

wrong).





Herbal Ed makes great products and his Kava is the best around.



Ingrid









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Subject: Re: Kava Kava

From: "Corey" <starkle@access-one.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 06:37:51 GMT

--------

Can you supply contact info for Herbal Ed?



Thanks



ma pickle > wrote in message ...

>I think

>the afficianados prefer Herb Pharm brand  (someone correct me if I'm

>wrong).

>

>

>Herbal Ed makes great products and his Kava is the best around.

>

>Ingrid

>

>









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Subject: Re: Kava Kava

From: fidla@my-dejanews.com

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 05:45:36 GMT

--------



>

> Interesting note I read on kava today was it is thought to

> be decreasing the birth rate in areas where it is widely

> used.  When guys become kava heads, they have less

> interest in sex.



This may be true with most "bitters" like Goldenseal, Oregon Grape Root and

the like.  However, I have not noticed a significant reduction in my own

sexual drive.



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Subject: Re: I SUFFER FROM INSOMNIA I HAVE TRIED MANY SUPPLEMENTS AND

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:02:14 GMT

--------

In article <29939-35D7919B-33@newsd-112.bryant.webtv.net>,

  apple123@webtv.net (JIM K.) wrote:

> HERBS   SUCH AS  ST JOHN  WORT  KAVA    VALERIAN   MELATONIN   5HTP

> ETC  ETC  ETC ETC ETC   NONE  HAVE  WORKED    ANY  SUGGESTIONS? THANKS

>

>



I'm sure we can figure something out. St. John's wort is probably not a good

one for in somnia, since it's a type of central nervous system stimulant

(although that can be good for calming down hyperactivity). Valerian works

for some people, but who knows, if you were taking standardized extracts or

something, it might be made with bad valerian or old valerian, or some guy's

gymn socks, or whatever.  Unless there's some reason you can't tolerate

alcohol, an alcohol-based tincture would probably help a great deal with your

insomnia, since the alcohol as well as the herb would be sedative (like

chamomile, to cite a fairly gentle one). You may have already tried this, but

just bear with me. If you don't like chamomile I can suggest something else. 

One thing you might be more aware of than I am is what causes your insomnia.

Maybe you're as cluesless as I am, but it's your body, so probably not. If

your insomnia is caused by muscular aches or pains, tenseness, or twitching,

or nervousness, then I would recommend a scullcap tincture. This will relax

your muscles as well as helping you sleep. If your insomnia is caused by some

outside stressor, such as a bad job, etc, it's going to be a problem until

you fix the outside source.  Lady's slipper or vanilla or catalpa might help

you out if you think that you've got some sort of imbalance in your mind that

is not rational and is keeping you awake, such as a phobia.  If none of this

helps, I can probably come up with something that will, especially if you can

give me a better idea of what is causing the insomnia. I hope this helps!



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Subject: Re: What are the function of Herbs?

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:11:07 GMT

--------



>

> Different herbs have different uses. ANY book which tells you that herbs are

> harmless is dangerous. If you talk about spices, yes, those are -generally-

> harmless. Not in large doses however.

>

I wouldn't even say that. Toss a little  cayenne pepper in somebody's eyes and

you're bound to see what I mean. The point I'm making with this ridiculous

scenario is that you have to use herbs, and I mean any herbs, carefully and

correctly to get the results that you want. You, henriette, are aware of this

of course, and so are most of the other people on the ng. But for some reason

people keep saying that you can't overdose on herbs, they're harmless,

Belladonna makes a tasty snack, etc. and these things are simply untrue.

   All I'm saying to people is, respect herbs and treat them not only as

powerful substances but as powerful individuals. One herb is not the same as

another, and even two plants of the same species can vary  in their potency.



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Subject: Re: What are the function of Herbs?

From: "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H." <skip@netins.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 15:54:13 -0500

--------



bentl3y@my-dejanews.com wrote in message

<6rccjb$ipf$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>

>>

>> Different herbs have different uses. ANY book which tells you that herbs

are

>> harmless is dangerous. If you talk about spices, yes, those

are -generally-

>> harmless. Not in large doses however.

>>



##Bently -- I agree completley with what you are saying here, thank you for

saying it.  _But_ please change the example that you use to represent the

precautions one should take when using herbs.  Why I may not just *toss*

cayenne into someone's eyes, I do use it in an eyewash daily.  So does my

friend and we have both shown marked improvement!  If you were to toss

cayenne into someone's eyes, they would probably be mad at you, but their

eyes would not be harmed.  Just goes to show that you have to use herbs

wisely and can achieve great results.  =)

Respectfully,

Leslie Adams, M.H.



>I wouldn't even say that. Toss a little  cayenne pepper in somebody's eyes

and

>you're bound to see what I mean. The point I'm making with this ridiculous

>scenario is that you have to use herbs, and I mean any herbs, carefully and

>correctly to get the results that you want. You, henriette, are aware of

this

>of course, and so are most of the other people on the ng. But for some

reason

>people keep saying that you can't overdose on herbs, they're harmless,

>Belladonna makes a tasty snack, etc. and these things are simply untrue.

>   All I'm saying to people is, respect herbs and treat them not only as

>powerful substances but as powerful individuals. One herb is not the same

as

>another, and even two plants of the same species can vary  in their

potency.

>

>bentley

>

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Subject: Herbs Under Attack from the FDA? 

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 17:38:39 GMT

--------

Ask Dr. Weil Article:

Herbs Under Attack from the FDA? 

http://cgi.pathfinder.com/drweil/archiveqa/1,2283,1339,00.html







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Subject: RESTLESS LEGS

From: Art Teplitz <srsurfer@fea.net>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:30:50 -0700

--------

My wife has restless legs syndrome.  Her legs jump violently while she

is sleeping.



Any recommendations?





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Subject: Re: RESTLESS LEGS

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:07:29 GMT

--------

Art Teplitz <srsurfer@fea.net> wrote:



>My wife has restless legs syndrome.  Her legs jump violently while she

>is sleeping.



I would first try Country Life Calcium Magnesium Potassium  with 

plenty of water.  Country Life is a widely available line, but it may 

be necessary to call around to find which shops have this specific

product.  Take enough to get 1000mg calcium.



turf







==========

Subject: Re: RESTLESS LEGS

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:10:39 GMT

--------

On Tue, 18 Aug 1998 14:30:50 -0700, Art Teplitz <srsurfer@fea.net> wrote:



>My wife has restless legs syndrome.  Her legs jump violently while she

>is sleeping.



A couple years ago I did occasionally get mild cases of restless legs and

lots of twitching when the limbs were still (e.g. when falling asleep).

Sometimes my whole body would twitch. I was quite puzzled, as I was

strictly gluten-free at the time, so I knew I was absorbing my food well,

plus I was taking supplements, so a calcium or magnesium deficiency didn't

make sense. I did have my diet down to almost no saturated fats (thought to

be healthy), though I was eating some meat (processed to remove all fat)

and was consuming plenty of corn oil.



I no longer have the restless legs problem. I have now gone to a

Paleolithic diet, which is high in saturated fats and meat, plenty of nuts,

no vegetable oils (but plenty of olive oil), no rice or potatoes (or other

grains), minimal beans, minimal supplements, and no dairy. Any twitching is

now extremely rare. For more on my diet see:



  The Paleolithic Diet Page:  http://www.panix.com/~paleodiet/



Especially read the first two links.



Additionally I found a woman on the fibromyalgia group that said she had

restless legs in the summer and not in the winter. I asked if she ate more

saturated fats in the winter then in the summer. She confirmed that this

was the case.



Now saturated fat is necessary for nerve conduction, though I'm weak on

technical details like that. So my question to Art: is your wife on a low

saturated fat diet?



Don (at panix com).





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Subject: Re: RESTLESS LEGS

From: "Jane Dhondee" <reiver@ozemail.com.au>

Date: 26 Aug 98 01:57:31 GMT

--------

I have heard and also read that drinking tea can cause restless leg

syndrome; but my hub who never drinks tea but was on haemodialysis also

suffered greatly from this.  No tea helps me, and a kidney transplant

helped him :) 







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Subject: Re: RESTLESS LEGS

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 11:58:05 -0400

--------

Quinine (an herbal extractive which unfortunately now requires a

prescription) may help.



-Rich



Art Teplitz wrote in message <35D9F28A.B68@fea.net>...

>My wife has restless legs syndrome.  Her legs jump violently while she

>is sleeping.

>

>Any recommendations?









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Subject: Re: RESTLESS LEGS

From: "S. Nestler" <suncie@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 02:47:27 -0400

--------

Has she tried magnesium?  I get that 'twitchy leg' quite often, and whenever

I do, I take chelated magnesium. It always helps. Even when I get a charlie

horse. I can't recommend amounts, because if whatever I take doesn't help

within 15-20 minutes, I take more. I've never had to take more than 3

tablets. If you go this route, definitely get good, reliable info, because I

know there's a connection between magnesium, calcium, and potassium, but I

don't know the proper proportions.



SunDragon

----------

In article <6rk55a$136@obi-wan.fdt.net>, "Richard Ogden"

<pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net> wrote:





>Quinine (an herbal extractive which unfortunately now requires a

>prescription) may help.

>

>-Rich

>

>Art Teplitz wrote in message <35D9F28A.B68@fea.net>...

>>My wife has restless legs syndrome.  Her legs jump violently while she

>>is sleeping.

>>

>>Any recommendations?

>

>





==========

Subject: Re: RESTLESS LEGS

From: "cookie" <magiccookie@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:52:24 +1200

--------

Schweppes Indian Tonic Water (ie Gin &Tonic), the label states Quinine - is

this the same substance?  I've always wondered!

Richard Ogden wrote in message <6rk55a$136@obi-wan.fdt.net>...

>Quinine (an herbal extractive which unfortunately now requires a

>prescription) may help.

>

>-Rich

>

>Art Teplitz wrote in message <35D9F28A.B68@fea.net>...

>>My wife has restless legs syndrome.  Her legs jump violently while she

>>is sleeping.

>>

>>Any recommendations?

>

>









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Subject: Re: RESTLESS LEGS

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:21:23 GMT

--------

"cookie" <magiccookie@hotmail.com> wrote:



>Schweppes Indian Tonic Water (ie Gin &Tonic), the label states Quinine - is

>this the same substance?  I've always wondered!



  Yes, that's the same quinine.  Depending on your sensitivity to

it, you might be able to get relief for "restless legs" from

drinking a couple glasses of it at bedtime.



****

Tsu Dho Nimh



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Subject: Re: RESTLESS LEGS

From: "Debra Davis" <MAKINMUSIC58@email.msn.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 22:26:07 -0500

--------

Quinine (an herbal extractive which unfortunately now requires a

prescription) may help.



NO YOU DON'T ;

just ask your pharmacist they'll get it for you.

No prescription.

your welcome:)









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Subject: Re: Complete German Commission E Monographs in English

From: harouffd@top.net (Don )

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 21:52:41 GMT

--------

Finally after over 2 years it arrived today ! ! !



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.hmg-eo.com/





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Subject: Re: Complete German Commission E Monographs in English

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:28:15 GMT

--------

Congratulations Don on finally getting your copy! Now let us hear the book

report.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Feverfew

From: "Trish" <chatte@tSePlAeMport.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 22:50:13 GMT

--------

I'm growing feverfew in my garden just for the beautiful flowers; I have the

kind that looks like little mums rather than little daisies.  I've read that

feverfew is good for a lot that ails you.  What part of the plant is used?

Leaves, flowers, or roots, or a combination?  Thanks for any info you can

share about this beautiful plant.



Peace,



Trish

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Subject: Re: Feverfew

From: knots@agate.net

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 03:34:35 GMT

--------

In article <FynC1.21673$MV.15612689@news.teleport.com>,

  "Trish" <chatte@tSePlAeMport.com> wrote:

> I'm growing feverfew in my garden just for the beautiful flowers; I have the

> kind that looks like little mums rather than little daisies.  I've read that

> feverfew is good for a lot that ails you.  What part of the plant is used?

> Leaves, flowers, or roots, or a combination?  Thanks for any info you can

> share about this beautiful plant.





Here is what David Hoffman writes about Feverfew:

"The leaves may be picked throughout the spring and summer, although just

before flowering is best.



Feverfew is Anti-inflammatory, vasodilatory, relaxant, digestive bitter,

uterine stimulant.



Indications: Feverfew has regained its deserved reputation as a primary remedy

in the treatment of migraine headaches, especially those that are releived by

applying warmth to the head. It may also help arthritis when it is in the

painfully active inflammatory stage. Dizziness and tinnitus may  be eased,

especially if it is used in conjunction with other remedies. Painful periods

and sluggish manstrual flow will be relieved by Feverfew.



CAUTION: Feverfew should not be used during pregnancy because of the stimulant

action on the wom b. The fresh leaves may cause mouth ulcers in sensitive

people.



It is best to use the equivalent of one fresh leaf 1-3 times a day. It is best

used fresh or frozen."



Hope this helps.



Rosemarie



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Subject: how to make facial mask with herbs?

From: "Lance  Barton" <Crunch20@email.msn.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 16:09:00 -0700

--------

I'm seeking advice on how to make facial masks using herbs such as

chickweed?











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Subject: Re: how to make facial mask with herbs?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:18:47 GMT

--------

"Lance  Barton" <Crunch20@email.msn.com> wrote:



>I'm seeking advice on how to make facial masks using herbs such as

>chickweed?

  Pick the green leaves, wash them, and run them through a

blender or food processor until they look like babyfood.  Plaster

onto face (adding oatmeal if it's too runny)



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Subject: help needed on how to make aloe vera gel

From: Ng Chin Seng <engp7963@nus.edu.sg>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 09:04:49 +0800

--------

hi

i have several strips of fresh aloe vera plant, i am keeping it in the

fridge for the moment. 

would appreciate suggestions on how to make a gel or lotion out of it.

is blending the flesh of the aloe leave with water good enough?



pls email me. many thanks.



chinseng







==========

Subject: Re: help needed on how to make aloe vera gel

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:01:07 GMT

--------



>i have several strips of fresh aloe vera plant, i am keeping it in the

>fridge for the moment. 

>would appreciate suggestions on how to make a gel or lotion out of it.

>is blending the flesh of the aloe leave with water good enough?



Yes, if you have a good enough blender to completely emulsify

it and not leave sharp bits of skin in it (like a Vitamixer - those

type at Smoothie King, et al.)   Don't dilute it more

than necessary to blend it.  This is not for drinking since 

the purgative components will still be included, but would

make the best topical.



turf











==========

Subject: Re: help needed on how to make aloe vera gel

From: "Desire" <jjb@lantic.co.za>

Date: 21 Aug 1998 17:53:01 GMT

--------

You can also peel off the hard outer skin and cut the jel-like plant into

small pieces.   Place this in a bottle of good vinegar (grape, wine or

apple cider vinegar)  stand bottle in a sunny window for 2 weeks, shaking

the bottle every day - strain off the aloe vera - throw onto compost heap

if you have - the vinegar is very refreshing in a bath, or to wash with and

also as a final hair rinse - I have also found it very effective in a sitz

bath for infections such as cistitis.

-- 

Best regards

Desire K

jjb@lantic.co.za



turf <turf@mindspring.com> wrote in article

<6rg4le$os6$2@camel0.mindspring.com>...

> 

> >i have several strips of fresh aloe vera plant, i am keeping it in the

> >fridge for the moment. 

> >would appreciate suggestions on how to make a gel or lotion out of it.

> >is blending the flesh of the aloe leave with water good enough?

> 

> Yes, if you have a good enough blender to completely emulsify

> it and not leave sharp bits of skin in it (like a Vitamixer - those

> type at Smoothie King, et al.)   Don't dilute it more

> than necessary to blend it.  This is not for drinking since 

> the purgative components will still be included, but would

> make the best topical.

> 

> turf

> 

> 

> 

> 





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Subject: Lemon Grass

From: "Kim Triplett" <kardtrip@erols.com>

Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 23:16:45 -0400

--------

I am interested in uses for Lemon Grass tried to steep it in with Tea with

not much resulting flavor.  I would appreciate any information you have,

it's a great plant, I take it in each winter and it is very forgiving of any

condition but cold weather.           Kim









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Subject: Re: Lemon Grass

From: "Sabry Alsharkawi" <sabry@erols.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:42:00 -0400

--------

First make sure that what you have is a real lemon grass, not just a grass. 

To get the real taste of lemon grass in your tea, you have to chop at least two (2) leaves for each cup.



Good luck,



Sabry







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Subject: Curing Tobacco

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:32:09 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



I'm looking for specific information on curing homegrown tobacco. I've

found very little on the net so far - and what i've found at the library

is far from what I need. I would appreciate it if someone could point me

in the right direction on where to look for _specific_ information on

how/when to harvest and cure homegrown tobacco.



Thanks :)



-Val





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Subject: Re: Curing Tobacco

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 13:21:36 GMT

--------

Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>I'm looking for specific information on curing homegrown tobacco. 

  Taking up smoking? Eeeeewwwww!



>I would appreciate it if someone could point me

>in the right direction on where to look for _specific_ information on

>how/when to harvest and cure homegrown tobacco.

  From the process my great-uncles used to follow (Virginians in

exile in California):



  Harvest the leaves individually in late summer, starting at the

bottom of the plant, and harvesting repeatedly as the leaves

mature (age doesn't matter, but leaf should be about as wide as

your hand - this depends on the variety of tobacco you are

growing)

  "Spike" the leaves onto a wire by running it through the

butt-end of each leaf. Spike a foot or more onto the wire. (it

has a loop or button on the end to keep the leaves on it)

  Dip the bunch into diluted molasses (don't know the

porportions, but they sometimes used brown sugar and water) if

you want "sugar-cured" tobacco.

  Hang the wire in a moist shady place to let the leaves wilt

until they are really limp.

  Hang the wilted bunch in the smokehouse for a few weeks with an

applewood fire smoldering, repeating the molasses dip if the

leaves get too dry.  You want them to be sticky and leathery.

  Strip the big center veins out of the leaves and pack the

leaves tightly in stoneware jugs.  They differed here - some

packed the leaves flat in layers, others rolled them tightly and

then packed them.

  To use - either remove a rolled-up leaf and cut it to shreds,

or cut a chunk off the layered leaves and shred it.

Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





==========

Subject: Re: Curing Tobacco

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:29:11 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



::Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

[>Snip<]



Thanks for the info., the only part which I can't use is the part with

the fire. I don't have room for a fire pit. ;-) What's nerve-racking

about trying to find this info. is that



(a) The sites that do have information are either:

    (1) Instructing on mass producing/curing (which doesn't help me)

    (2) Giving instructions on other methods of reducing nico. content,

        adding other additives, etc. but they usually all say the same

        thing, "extensive information about curing has already been

        discussed enough by others, so we won't include it in our

        reports" Yeah? If it's so extensive then why am I having such

        a hard time finding it? :P Pfffffttt! 



The only homegrown tobacco curing details I seem to find are on sites

that want $15+ for a 'kit'. I don't need seeds, and i'm not paying $15

for instructions that I may never receive. As a wise bear named Poo once

declared, "Oh bother!" :)



-Val





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Subject: Re: Curing Tobacco

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:23:16 GMT

--------

Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>x-no-archive: yes

>

>::Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

>[>Snip<]

>

>Thanks for the info., the only part which I can't use is the part with

>the fire. I don't have room for a fire pit. ;-) 

  You could probably just sugar it and air-dry it - there seemed

to be as many "old family" recipes as I have old family members.

  The native Americans just hung the leaves to dry, much like a

ristra of chiles, then crumbled off what they needed.  The

sugaring and slow-aging gives a milder product.

Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





==========

Subject: Re: Curing Tobacco

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 04:22:22 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

>   You could probably just sugar it and air-dry it - there seemed

> to be as many "old family" recipes as I have old family members.

>   The native Americans just hung the leaves to dry, much like a

> ristra of chiles, then crumbled off what they needed.  The

> sugaring and slow-aging gives a milder product.



So it's that simple? I've read various articles that suggest that you

need to expose it to heat or 'mist it with water' now and then. One

article claimed that air drying isn't enough - as the content of

nicotine would kill you. Alas, i'm still hunting. ;)



-Val





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Subject: Re: Curing Tobacco

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:43:23 GMT

--------

Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>Ah! Alrighty then.. no need to further search for curing info. ;)

>Thanks!



Val - 

Are you taking up smoking, or preserving tabaccy for an

insecticide?

Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





==========

Subject: Re: Curing Tobacco

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:02:24 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

> Val -

> Are you taking up smoking, or preserving tabaccy for an

> insecticide?



Actually I always wanted to know how it was cured. I quit smoking years

ago and have no intention on starting again [knock on wood]. Thanks

again.



-Val





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Subject: Re: Curing Tobacco

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 11:36:39 -0400

--------

I suggest you check with your local Agricultural Extension agent - they

should be able to provide you with information (provided you live in one of

the states where tobacco is grown commercially).



-Rich



Valerian wrote in message <35DAB8B7.53B58B23@home.com>...

>x-no-archive: yes

>

>I'm looking for specific information on curing homegrown tobacco. I've

>found very little on the net so far - and what i've found at the library

>is far from what I need. I would appreciate it if someone could point me

>in the right direction on where to look for _specific_ information on

>how/when to harvest and cure homegrown tobacco.

>

>Thanks :)

>

>-Val









==========

Subject: Re: Curing Tobacco

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:24:21 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Kerry wrote:

> There is extensive tobacco information within these bookmarks.



What bookmarks? You forgot to post em. ;)



> Unfortunately, I don't remember specifically which one.  It has a

> tobacco chat group, seeds, care and kits. (kerry)



-Val





==========

Subject: Re: Curing Tobacco

From: kw@hotc.net (Kerry)

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 23:51:56 GMT

--------

Duh!  Yeah, I just noticed that myself.

http://www.desert.net/seeds/

http://www.zetatalk.com/info/tinfo082.htm

http://www.ozemail.com.au/~frgntgar/

http://www.cog.brown.edu/gardening/cat16/frame-cat.html

http://www.southernexposure.com/index1.html-ssi

http://www.simpsonsherbfarm.com/catalog.htm

http://www.datasync.com/sbe/

http://www.southernexposure.com/pages/herbal.html-ssi

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html

http://www.simpsonsherbfarm.com/index.html

http://www.chatlink.com/~herbseed/Welcome.html

http://www.frontierherb.com/homepage.html

http://www.plantamerica.org/palink.htm

http://www.plantamerica.com/.index.html

http://pathfinder.com/@@8YDeb2EOkgMAQNRZ/vg/TimeLife/CG/vg-search.html





On Wed, 19 Aug 1998 20:24:21 GMT, Valerian <valerian@home.com> wrote:



>x-no-archive: yes

>

>Kerry wrote:

>> There is extensive tobacco information within these bookmarks.

>

>What bookmarks? You forgot to post em. ;)

>

>> Unfortunately, I don't remember specifically which one.  It has a

>> tobacco chat group, seeds, care and kits. (kerry)

>

>-Val



cya,

kerry



Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep

the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev. 14:12



A prudent man forseeth the evil, and hides himself:

but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 22:3





==========

Subject: psoriasis

From: a31960@aol.com (A31960)

Date: 19 Aug 1998 16:06:22 GMT

--------

my mom has psoriasis and I'm having trouble getting her to try anything but

petroleum jelly

anyone have any success using aloe or other natural remedies?  

thanks very much

ann

ps she's also on medication for heart problem so is very leary of oral

medications...i'm just trying to get her to try some other kind of topical

treatment





==========

Subject: Re: psoriasis

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:24:41 GMT

--------

a31960@aol.com (A31960) wrote:



>my mom has psoriasis and I'm having trouble getting her to try anything but

>petroleum jelly

>anyone have any success using aloe or other natural remedies?  



  Borage, made into a tea and used externally as a wash is often

effective.  So is exposure to UV light: sunbathing helps.

Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





==========

Subject: Re: psoriasis

From: skeezix@csrlink.net (Ex Tea Drinker)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 21:06:57 GMT

--------

In article <35dd1555.3936023@news.primenet.com>, abacaxi@hotmail.com says with 

dry humor and great wisdom...



>a31960@aol.com (A31960) wrote:





>  Borage, made into a tea and used externally as a wash is often

>effective.  So is exposure to UV light: sunbathing helps.

>Tsu Dho Nimh



>Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.



I am a nudist, I get a lot of exposure to UV, and I sunbathe a lot, I have not noticed that 

this has helped at all, in regard to my psoriasis.  







==========

Subject: Re: psoriasis

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:23:23 GMT

--------

On 22 Aug 1998 21:06:57 GMT, skeezix@csrlink.net (Ex Tea Drinker) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>>  Borage, made into a tea and used externally as a wash is often

>>effective.  So is exposure to UV light: sunbathing helps.

>>Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>I am a nudist, I get a lot of exposure to UV, and I sunbathe a lot, I have not noticed that 

>this has helped at all, in regard to my psoriasis.  



Consider how bad it would be -without- your sunbathing. 

People that suffer from psoriasis here (in Finland) go to the Mediterranean to

get their sun - I seem to dimly remember that the health authorities pay for it,

but I might be wrong.



Henriette

--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: psoriasis

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 11:27:50 -0500

--------

A healthy, low fat diet is a key factor. Most severe psoriasis sufferers are

overweight.

Go on a Detoxification program that uses fasting to release acid wastes.

Drink 3 glasses of cranberry or apple juice daily.

Eliminate refined fatty or fried foods, alcohol, and red meats.

Then follow a sugar-free, milk-free, lowfat and alkalizing diet with 60 to

70% fresh foods, whole grains, seafood and sea vegetables for iodine

therapy.

Make a skin health mix of lecithin granules, brewer's yeast, and unsulphured

molasses and take 2 TBS. daily.

Milk Thistle Seed drops twice daily to enhance liver function.



Topical/Internal solutions:

Myrrh/goldenseal root extract

Licorice root extract tea.

Nettles extract.

Propolis extract.



Effective GLA sources: Use for at least 3 to 6 months in decreasing doses.

Evening Primrose Oil--4-6 caps daily.

Borage or black currant seed oil



Give your body a chance to digest your food. Don't eat for 2 hours before

bed.

Exercise is important to keep circulation healthy and body wastes released.

Expose affected areas to morning sunlight daily for healing Vitamin D. A

gradual suntan is ideal.

Swim or wade in the ocean, or take kelp foot baths for iodine therapy.



Local Applications:

Papaya Enzyme Peel

Tea Tree oil

Witch Hazel

Pau d' arco gel

Hot ginger, goldenseal or comfrey leaf compresses.



Kay





  --  kay   at   http://www.herbcare.com

              or

  --  slade at http://www.pensys.com/pages/slade











==========

Subject: Re: psoriasis

From: surratt@uiuc.edu

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:34:01 GMT

--------

Aveeno oatmeal bath, soaps, and especially the lotion helped me alot.

The previous post about UV light is a great tip.  Good Luck!



KJS







a31960@aol.com (A31960) wrote:



>my mom has psoriasis and I'm having trouble getting her to try anything but

>petroleum jelly

>anyone have any success using aloe or other natural remedies?  

>thanks very much

>ann

>ps she's also on medication for heart problem so is very leary of oral

>medications...i'm just trying to get her to try some other kind of topical

>treatment









==========

Subject: Re: psoriasis

From: "spacecabbage" <spacecabbage@nightmail.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:00:23 GMT

--------

Make sure she gets plenty of sun. That will help more than anything else. A

real simple cure may also be in you local drug store and it's not a creepy

medicine. It's coal tar. Have her wash the affected area with Denorex

shampoo, I've seen this work for several people.



Spacecabbage



A31960 wrote in message <1998081916062200.MAA26305@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>my mom has psoriasis and I'm having trouble getting her to try anything but

>petroleum jelly

>anyone have any success using aloe or other natural remedies?

>thanks very much

>ann

>ps she's also on medication for heart problem so is very leary of oral

>medications...i'm just trying to get her to try some other kind of topical

>treatment









==========

Subject: Wilson's Syndrome

From: "Preferred Customer" <@www.starkcounty.com>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 15:34:50 -0500

--------

Any current news out there for this syndrome?  My neice has been diagnosed

with this and is currently getting treatment. I would like to know if any

herbs besides kelp would help this condition.  I have run accross some

testimony to a "T-3 compound" but have not found any on the net. Someone

mentioned "liothryroxine" and cannot find that either. The holistic Dr. is

giving my neice "tryptophane and B12 compound" but as yu probably know our

beloved FDA has made it so we cannot get without prescription. As this runs

in families I would like to try on myself.... Thanks for any and all help.

Wanda









==========

Subject: Re: Wilson's Syndrome

From: "The Goddess Within" <thegoddesswithin@hotmail.com>

Date: 20 Aug 1998 08:11:27 GMT

--------

Dear Wanda,



I was diagnosed with Wilson's Syndrome three years ago.  I have heard many

things since then, and have received much wise counsel.  I, too, asked about

Kelp.  Unfortunately, you can't regulate the power/efficiency in each dose,

and thus it is very dangerous.  It depends on whether you are replacing T-3

or T-4, but ask your doctor about Cytomel.  It's a pill, and it's the only

pill I take, but it saved my life.



Keep asking questions, eventually the answers do come.



Best Wishes,



~TGW.











==========

Subject: acne scar tissue

From: Colin McCrum <colin.mccrum@cableol.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:40:00 +0100

--------

hi,

does anyone know of any topical creams etc...... that will clear up 

acne scar tissue on facial skin, these are about 2 years old.



anne-marie







==========

Subject: Re: acne scar tissue

From: herbalcare@aol.com (Herbalcare)

Date: 20 Aug 1998 05:27:05 GMT

--------

One thing that I have heard of it taking a small piece of pineapple or lemon

and putting over the scars.  Dont leave it on for more than 15 - 20 minutes at

a time because of the acid content.  It will make your face peel for a few

days, just use some moisturizer. 



Cheryl

http://www.mypages.com/shadow





==========

Subject: Re: acne scar tissue

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 12:27:24 GMT

--------

Colin McCrum <colin.mccrum@cableol.co.uk> wrote:



>hi,

>does anyone know of any topical creams etc...... that will clear up 

>acne scar tissue on facial skin, these are about 2 years old.



  They are slow-acting, but the various "exfoliating" lotions

that have glycolic acid or sulfosalicylic acid in them will

diminish the scars over a period of months.



Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





==========

Subject: Re: acne scar tissue

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 20 Aug 98 09:43:47 EDT

--------

Colin McCrum <colin.mccrum@cableol.co.uk>  wrote:

CM> does anyone know of any topical creams etc...... that will clear up

CM> acne scar tissue on facial skin, these are about 2 years old.



    anne-marie,  would using MSM lotion be of any benefit???



.. End  of  message

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]





==========

Subject: Re: acne scar tissue

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:57:13 +0100

--------

In article <35DB4630.3CA4@cableol.co.uk>, Colin McCrum

<colin.mccrum@cableol.co.uk> writes

>hi,

>does anyone know of any topical creams etc...... that will clear up 

>acne scar tissue on facial skin, these are about 2 years old.

>

>anne-marie

>

Try alo vera gel, or honey both soften scars, they are best used as

quickly as posible on new scars but they do help old scars, vitamin c

oil or cream also helps 

-- 

Shez                                shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady    http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/





==========

Subject: Re: acne scar tissue

From: Jude@Bennett.com (Judith Scothern)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:41:14 GMT

--------

Colin McCrum <colin.mccrum@cableol.co.uk> wrote:



>hi,

>does anyone know of any topical creams etc...... that will clear up 

>acne scar tissue on facial skin, these are about 2 years old.

>



Try Carrot Seed Oil, Frankincense, Helichrysum, and Neroli essential

oils (any, or all combined), in a base of rosehip seed oil or

calendula-infused oil.







==========

Subject: Heat rash remedy?

From: Ian Sutton <swbooks@iwl.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 19:03:57 -0500

--------

DO NOT REPLY TO ABOVE ADDRESS

Hi. I've got what I suppose is heat rash - red & peeling skin - the

result of TX in summertime. Does anyone know anything that might help?

Also, anything to treat my infected ear piercings (it's not a normal

infection, it's been there for months & months, & is not helped by

nickel-free earrings, Neosporin, cleaning, or hydrocortisone).

I'm presently not receiving any new postings on any of my newsgroups (I

hope this went through though), so could you please reply by mail?

THE ABOVE ADDRESS ISN'T MINE. MINE IS:   <rush_rulz@yahoo.com>

Ann

P.S. Any mail promoting a product will be promptly deleted.







==========

To: Colin McCrum <colin.mccrum@cableol.co.uk>

Subject: Re: acne scar tissue + Plantsavers conference

From: Mark T S <mtshauss/unspam@cdc.net>

Date: Wed, 19 Aug 1998 22:21:45 -0400

--------

Mederma is the best topical scar reducer I've found. Website was down

today:  http://www.mederma.com/

OTC in the states - active ingred. is onion extract. Pleasant odor,

though.



Also, wanted ng members to be aware of a great upcoming hands-on

conference:

http://www.plantsavers.org/confer.html

shalom

Mark



remove /unspam to reply



Colin McCrum wrote:



> hi,

> does anyone know of any topical creams etc...... that will clear up

> acne scar tissue on facial skin, these are about 2 years old.

>

> anne-marie











==========

Subject: kava kava

From: hcdechon@bellatlantic.net (claire dechon)

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 03:06:24 GMT

--------

  I have a friend that is taking Kava Kava....and although he loves

it..he claims it upsets his sleeping pattern. Has anyone else 

experienced this and what can be taken to counter this effect??

thanks ,  claire





==========

Subject: unusual herb suppiers

From: eyeofnewt@sprintmail.com

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 01:10:50 -0400

--------

greetings!



Does anybody out there know of any wholesalers or distributors that

carry herbs like Belladonna, Jimson weed, baby woodrose, etc..?

any help would be greatly appriciated  : )

thanx!



Salem





==========

To: eyeofnewt@sprintmail.com

Subject: Re: unusual herb suppiers

From: "Leticia A. Martinez" <letimartinez@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:33:53 +0000

--------

Try my links page~



http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/7411/ethnobotany.htm





==========

Subject: Goldenseal and Hypothyroidisam?

From: "Giselle" <christsingles@email.msn.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 02:15:39 -0400

--------

Greetings.

I read somewhere that Goldenseal Root is a natural thyroid stimulant.

I have hypothyroidisam and am currently taking .02 mg of Synthroid once a day and have been for the past 15 years. I was told I have to take it for the rest of my life.



I'd like to know if I can take Goldenseal while I'm taking the Synthroid and maybe wean myself off it, or will it have adverse reactions? Or can I take Goldenseal instead of Synthroid? 



I also suffer from bronchial asthma and read that Goldenseal can help respiratory problems also.

I do have a doctor's appointment next month and would like to take him any info I can find. 

I've search all over the Net to no avail. Any help is appreciated.



Giselle

gigi@christsingles.com

www.christsingles.com/singles

www.goodnewscafe.com/goodnews

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Subject: Fibroids (Female topic)

From: "Airmid" <sfrese@yahoo.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 09:26:16 -0400

--------

Greetings,

I am having extremely heavy bleeding throughout the month with regular

bleeding most other times.  I have no insurance or job and would like to

know if there are any herbs out there that would help this.  I can't remain

standing or walking for any length of time and can do no exercises as this

brings on a spate of flooding.  I was diagnosed with fibroids in 1986.

Thank you for any help you can give.

Sue









==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids (Female topic)

From: "Amy Griffis" <amy_mbg@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 21 Aug 1998 00:21:11 GMT

--------

Get thee to a  female physician!  I had the same problem.  I had surgery and

feel great.  Most hospitals have funds for the uninsured, if they are in

need of help.  I did not qualify for state Medicaid and the lady at Medicaid

office gave me this advice.  Good luck  Amy

Airmid wrote in message <6rharf$8hh$1@news1.alltel.net>...

>Greetings,

>I am having extremely heavy bleeding throughout the month with regular

>bleeding most other times.  I have no insurance or job and would like to

>know if there are any herbs out there that would help this.  I can't remain

>standing or walking for any length of time and can do no exercises as this

>brings on a spate of flooding.  I was diagnosed with fibroids in 1986.

>Thank you for any help you can give.

>Sue

>

>









==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids (Female topic)

From: jlr54@pipeline.com (J & J)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:49:46 GMT

--------

On Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:09:18 GMT, SolsticeCreek@my-dejanews.com wrote:



>Consider how much surgury you want.  Personally I had it all taken out when I

>was 36yrs old.  And for a long long time there was nothing but joyous relief.

>Now four years later, and unable to take estrogen, in fake, horse, or plant

>form, I wish I had thought before having my ovaries removed too. There are

>things I have found to combat the effects of the change, but it would of been

>far cheeper and less bother to let my own ovaries do the job for me.

>

>Good Luck,

>Another Sue

>

>

Agreed, keep the ovaries if you have surgery. I had trouble with my

periods from the first one. No one would listen to me. Finally when I

was 40, I ended up having surgery. I insisted on leaving the ovaries.

Now the only difference is I don't have to go down *that* aisle in the

supermarket.

If the original poster is still young, and plans on children, I think

there are some laser surgeries that can be done and still leave you

fertile. 

Good luck, 

Julia

>

>



>In article <6riehn$giu@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>,

>  "Amy Griffis" <amy_mbg@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>> Get thee to a  female physician!  I had the same problem.  I had surgery and

>> feel great.  Most hospitals have funds for the uninsured, if they are in

>> need of help.  I did not qualify for state Medicaid and the lady at Medicaid

>> office gave me this advice.  Good luck  Amy

>> Airmid wrote in message <6rharf$8hh$1@news1.alltel.net>...

>> >Greetings,

>> >I am having extremely heavy bleeding throughout the month with regular

>> >bleeding most other times.  I have no insurance or job and would like to

>> >know if there are any herbs out there that would help this.  I can't remain

>> >standing or walking for any length of time and can do no exercises as this

>> >brings on a spate of flooding.  I was diagnosed with fibroids in 1986.

>> >Thank you for any help you can give.

>> >Sue

>> >

>> >

>>

>>

>

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Subject: Re: Fibroids (Female topic)

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:44:01 -0700

--------

I agree with going to the doctor, but I have been in aposition where I

couldn't for various reasons.  Tou can try Dong Quai and red rasberry

leaf....scullcap for the pain, and i would add a touch of white willow bark.

Blessed Thistle may also help. Shepard's Purse is also excellent to help

with the bleeding...

Brightest Blessings

Sparrow

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Airmid wrote in message <6rharf$8hh$1@news1.alltel.net>...

>Greetings,

>I am having extremely heavy bleeding throughout the month with regular

>bleeding most other times.  I have no insurance or job and would like to

>know if there are any herbs out there that would help this.  I can't remain

>standing or walking for any length of time and can do no exercises as this

>brings on a spate of flooding.  I was diagnosed with fibroids in 1986.

>Thank you for any help you can give.

>Sue

>

>









==========

Subject: Re: Fibroids (Female topic)

From: MickyT <mickyt@trumpeter.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 00:15:16 +0100

--------

In article <6rharf$8hh$1@news1.alltel.net>, Airmid <sfrese@yahoo.com>

writes

>Greetings,

>I am having extremely heavy bleeding throughout the month with regular

>bleeding most other times.  I have no insurance or job and would like to

>know if there are any herbs out there that would help this.  I can't remain

>standing or walking for any length of time and can do no exercises as this

>brings on a spate of flooding.  I was diagnosed with fibroids in 1986.

>Thank you for any help you can give.

>Sue

>

>

try www.alternativemedicine.com     issue 20



www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue20/i20-a24.shtml



that should get you there

-- 

MickyT





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Subject: Re: Fibroids (Female topic)

From: "Yarrow" <noweeds@weirdless.net>

Date: 23 Aug 1998 07:39:45 GMT

--------





Airmid <sfrese@yahoo.com> wrote in article

<6rharf$8hh$1@news1.alltel.net>...

: Greetings,

: I am having extremely heavy bleeding throughout the month with regular

: bleeding most other times. 



*** You can become dangerously anemic.  Have you tried the City or County

Hospitals.  Are you in the USA?  No one is left to bleed to death in the

streets in most Countries.



 I have no insurance or job and would like to

: know if there are any herbs out there that would help this. 



*** You must be evaluated first before you take anything.  What if you now

have Uterine or Cervical Cancer causing the bleeding?  Since you don't know

exactly what is causing the blood flow you can't know what to take for it -

it may be hormonal and easily treated with hormones.  Or it can be quite

serious in nature.



 I can't remain

: standing or walking for any length of time and can do no exercises as

this

: brings on a spate of flooding. 



*** Have you thought about the local Hosp's emergency room when you flow is

heaviest?  If they can't "treat" you they will know where you can go for

free care and how to get Medicare/cade.



 I was diagnosed with fibroids in 1986.

: Thank you for any help you can give.



*** Please see a professional soon Sue.... seek and you shall find help!

-- 

Carol .. 

"The real reason you can't take it with you is that it goes before you do".

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*



: Sue

: 





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Subject: Looking for answers?

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 13:50:04 GMT

--------

Anyone who needs help figuring out how to prepare an herbal medicament, or

figuring out what herbs might help them, please feel free to contact me at my

email, bentl3y@hotmail.com  My name is Bentley (for those who don't already

know), and I'm an herbalist from Kentucky (USA). My family runs a

not-for-profit herb company called Rustic Roots, I practice herbalism in my

home, and have spent some time traveling around the world researching modern,

traditional, and ancient uses of medicinal herbs.  I'm not attempting to sell

anything, or plug my company, or anything like that; this isn't spam, it's a

genuine offer made out of a sense of community for people everywhere. I'm

offering my time and expertise to people who want to heal themselves, because

I want to live in a world where such a service exists.	If you write to me, I

will get back to you, but the time it takes will depend on the volume of

email I get.



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To: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Subject: Re: Looking for answers?

From: Katherine Hernandez <katt@shell.gis.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:44:26 -0400

--------

hi-

It is most gracious of you to volunteer your knowledge; I for one deeply

appreciate it :)

actualy I do have a question, for you r anyoe else who might have the

answer. I was looking to find out mroe aout how to prepare bloodroot

paste. Iread in a book by Dr. Andrew Weil that this paste would make spots

of melenoma shrivel up and fall off. . . is that true? I looked at the

local co-op, but bloodroot was not there. Does it grow in massacheusetts?

Thanks.. .



						-Katt Hernandez

						 katt@shell.gis.net



On Thu, 20 Aug 1998 bentl3y@my-dejanews.com wrote:



> Anyone who needs help figuring out how to prepare an herbal medicament, or

> figuring out what herbs might help them, please feel free to contact me at my

> email, bentl3y@hotmail.com  My name is Bentley (for those who don't already

> know), and I'm an herbalist from Kentucky (USA). My family runs a

> not-for-profit herb company called Rustic Roots, I practice herbalism in my

> home, and have spent some time traveling around the world researching modern,

> traditional, and ancient uses of medicinal herbs.  I'm not attempting to sell

> anything, or plug my company, or anything like that; this isn't spam, it's a

> genuine offer made out of a sense of community for people everywhere. I'm

> offering my time and expertise to people who want to heal themselves, because

> I want to live in a world where such a service exists.	If you write to me, I

> will get back to you, but the time it takes will depend on the volume of

> email I get.

> 

> Bentley

> 

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Subject: Re: Looking for answers?

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 12:27:16 -0400

--------

Bloodroot seeds and plants are available from Richters ( www.richters.com )



-Rich



Jean wrote in message <6rih5c$cqm$1@news3.alpha.net>...

>Yes! I have been looking for the same thing. I read the book also and

became

>very interested. I also came across somewhere that bloodroot is one of the

>most dangerous herbs, to be used with caution. Years ago it was used for

>sore throats and such and was probably not very good for ingesting...given

>the information that we read in Dr. Weil's book, I'd be a bit careful about

>using internally.....

>

>I'm in Wisconsin, and have been spending some time in the woods looking for

>this herb also....hmmmm, can't find it...











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Subject: Re: Looking for answers?

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:46:12 GMT

--------

In article <6rih5c$cqm$1@news3.alpha.net>,

  "Jean" <vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> wrote:

> Yes! I have been looking for the same thing. I read the book also and became

> very interested. I also came across somewhere that bloodroot is one of the

> most dangerous herbs, to be used with caution. Years ago it was used for

> sore throats and such and was probably not very good for ingesting...given

> the information that we read in Dr. Weil's book, I'd be a bit careful about

> using internally.....

>

> I'm in Wisconsin, and have been spending some time in the woods looking for

> this herb also....hmmmm, can't find it...

>

> any information would be appreciated....

>

> smilin,

> jean



> Katherine Hernandez wrote in message ...

> >hi-

> >It is most gracious of you to volunteer your knowledge; I for one deeply

> >appreciate it :)

> >actualy I do have a question, for you r anyoe else who might have the

> >answer. I was looking to find out mroe aout how to prepare bloodroot

> >paste. Iread in a book by Dr. Andrew Weil that this paste would make spots

> >of melenoma shrivel up and fall off. . . is that true? I looked at the

> >local co-op, but bloodroot was not there. Does it grow in massacheusetts?

> >Thanks.. .

> >

It's a bit late in the year to find bloodroot, but it does grow up where

you live. Bloodroot (Sanguinaria canadense) is a member of the poppy

family, and blooms just before the trees around it put out leaves in the

spring. Bloodroot sap or a paste made from the powdered dried root and

water can be put on skin lesions to make them fall off-- it seems to

inhibit the reproduction of cells, like mandrake (Podophyllum peltatum)

will do.     If you really need bloodroot now I could get you some, but it's

pretty common in the woods in spring and summer (harvest it in summer).

   Bloodroot does have some serious side effects though, if you take it

internally, and it can burn your skin if you leave it on a long time. If

you want more complete info get back to me and I'll get it to you.



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Subject: Re: Looking for answers?

From: bae@cs.toronto.edu (Beverly Erlebacher)

Date: 21 Aug 98 22:00:40 GMT

--------

In article <Pine.SOL.3.96.980820194206.16761C-100000@shell.gis.net>,

Katherine Hernandez  <katt@shell.gis.net> wrote:

>actualy I do have a question, for you r anyoe else who might have the

>answer. I was looking to find out mroe aout how to prepare bloodroot

>paste. Iread in a book by Dr. Andrew Weil that this paste would make spots

>of melenoma shrivel up and fall off. . . is that true? I looked at the

>local co-op, but bloodroot was not there. Does it grow in massacheusetts?



Trying a herbal remedy to make melanoma lesions go away sounds like

a great way to convert an entirely curable condition (melanoma before

metastasis) into a death sentence (melanoma after metastasis).  If the

book really recommends that, the author is being totally irresponsible.

If you have a skin lesion that may be a melanoma, and you putz around 

trying to find a herbal remedy rather than having it excised and biopsied,

you are being very foolish.  If the lesion is on someone else, I strongly

recommend you have them see a doctor about it.





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Subject: Re: Looking for answers?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:08:28 GMT

--------

"Jean" <vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> wrote:



>I really

>don't believe that it would be written in a best selling book if it wasn't

>safe to try

Jean - 

  I've seen bizarre, totally dangerous advice written in books -

remember that the author has an axe to grind, a cause to promote,

and probably hasn't tested all the so-called remedies on his

nearest and dearest.

  





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Subject: Re: Looking for answers?

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 11:55:10 -0500

--------

Jean wrote:

> 

> Hello Tsu Dho Nimh!

> Well, the good doctor used the concoction on his dog....for a 

> cyst....is there another creature who would be nearer or dearer 

> to a man???

> 

> Big smile....sigh....(I hope so....)



Actually, pigs and some primates are much closer to humans in 

terms of mimicking our biochemical processes for the purpose 

of testing medical therapies.  Dogs and humans aren't enough 

alike on that level - f'r'instance, chocolate can harm dogs.  

[Dose-dependent state, natch.]



-Kyra





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Subject: Re: Looking for answers?

From: bae@cs.toronto.edu (Beverly Erlebacher)

Date: 26 Aug 98 23:14:54 GMT

--------

In article <6rqivv$cf4$1@news2.alpha.net>,

Jean <vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> wrote:

>Hi Beverly:)

>I personally do not have melanoma lesions...but it was stated in the book

>that you can use the bloodroot paste for other skin discolorations, such as

>moles....



My point is that if you notice a change in a mole or other skin discoloration,

futzing around with bloodroot paste rather than getting it checked by a

doctor is dangerous.



>I think I'd like to experiment and see what happens....



It's your life (and death).



>I really

>don't believe that it would be written in a best selling book if it wasn't

>safe to try...



My goodness, what planet do you live on?



>and yes, I'll do my homework before I try it...



Just what kind of homework did you have in mind?  A pathology residency?



>I'm not quite sure what the first lady is looking for....but yes, I would

>also suggest that if she has melanoma to see a doctor...this is nothing to

>fool around with....



She should see a doctor if she notices a change in a mole.  By the time

she has metastatic melanoma (not long after the change in the mole) she

might as well just fool around with folk remedies until the pain gets

out of control.



>smilin,

>jean



Enjoy.







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Subject: Re: Looking for answers?

From: cindy687@juno.com (Cindy E Druery)

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:44:32 -0500

--------

Here is some info from somewhere, I think from a newsgroup. I have these

old books on diskette and this is the Blood Root part of the 2 old books.

________________________________________________

THE COMMON SENSE MEDICAL ADVISER" By R.V. Pierce, M.D. year 1895. 



ALTERATIVES



Blood Root (Sanguinaria Canadensis), is also known as Red Puccoon. The

part used is the root. In minute doses Blood-Root is a valuable

alterative, acting upon the biliary secretion and improving the

circulation and digestion.

Dose - Of powdered root, one-fourth to one-half grain; of tincture, one

to two drops; of fluid extract, one-half grain; of tincture, one to two

drops; of fluid extract, one-half to one drop. When given in fluid form

it should be well diluted.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



GUNN'S DOMESTIC MEDICINE, YEAR 1833



BLOOD, OR PUCCOON-ROOT.



Sometimes called Indian paint, and Red root, but learned denominated

Sanguinaria Canadensis.

This plant is a native of North America, from the Canadian Provinces to

the Gulph of Mexico, and perhaps of no other region of the globe. It is

not only a plant  peculiar to the continent of North America, the virtues

of which are so well known to the Indian Nations, but its root is

perennial: of winter. It generally grows about a foot high in rich wood

lands, and varies in thickness from a quarter to three quarters of an

inch in diameter - which means across. It is generally about the size and

length of a finger; fleshy and round, and the end of the root has the

appearance of having been cut off by a dull instrument, or as if it had

been broken off in removing it from the ground. The out-side color of the

root is brownish, but on being cut, the juice flows of a blood-red color.

The Puccoon flowers early in April, bearing but single flowers on each

stem. The blossoms are white, the stems perfectly naked; the upper side

of the leaf of a pale, sickly green, and the veins which pass through it,

of an orange color. - The flower-bud is of a faint, or delicate rose

color: the seeds, which are round and pointed, are very numerous.

The leaves and seeds of the Puccoon-plant - which is the name. I have

adopted - like the seeds of the Stramonium, or James-town weed, are

poisonous, and must never be used. The root seems to contain all its

medicinal qualities; and is closely allied in its effects on the human

system, to the Seneka Snake-root. and in some of its effects, to the

Digitalis Purpuria, or Fox-glove. A decoction, or tea, as it is usually

called, made of the Puccoon-root, is highly recommended in the treatment

of old and indolent ulcers - which simply means old sores that do not

seem inclined to heal - and the dried and pounded root, applied a few

times, in some cases of ill-conditioned ulcers, with callous edges, and

an itcherous, or itching discharge, seldom fails to produce a healthy

state of the sores. - It is an excellent remedy in croup, and must be

given in doses sufficient to produce vomiting, or puking, some Physicians

rely on it wholly in croup. It is also, an excellent remedy in dropsy of

the chest - called by Physicians hydrothorax - given in doses of sixty

drops of the juice three times a day, and increased until nausea or

sickness of the stomach follows each dose. This root, in powder from

twenty to thirty grains, is an active emetic, or puke. Dr. Barton, one of

the Professors in the Philadelphia Medical College, thinks it nearly

equal to the Seneka, or Rattle-snake root in cases of ulcerous sore

throat, croup and hives, and diseases of this nature. It is a valuable

medicine to produce a determination to the surface - by which I mean

sweating - and also, in colds, pleurisies, rheumatism, and other

inflammatory disorders. When used for these last diseases, it should be

given as a tincture - which is the root steeped for several days in

spirits of any kind - and given in doses of ten drops every two or three

hours, until a moisture, or sweat is produced on the skin. This tincture

is also valuable in jaundice, in tupor of the liver, attended with colic

and yellowness of the skin - a disease common to southern climates. The

Puccoon root, made into a tincture, and gradually and cautiously used,

will be found a valuable medicine in stoppages of the menses or courses,

in women. I have used it with great success in my practice, when every

other medicine usually resorted to had failed. My usual method of

preparing it is, to steep about a handful of the root sliced, in half a

pint of old whiskey, letting it stand five or eight days, when the

tincture is fit for use - beginning with ten drops, and gradually

increasing the dose, as circumstances may require. But you may give in it

a decoction, or tea - a handful of  it to a quart of boiling water - a

table-spoonful every two or three hours, as the situation of the patient

may require.

This root, powdered very fine, and sniffed up the nose, is said to be a

certain cure for Polypus; a fleshy treat, or grisly substance, which

grows in the nostril, gradually increasing in size until breathing

becomes difficult, and which sometimes - unless removed - ends in

suffocation. I have lately made experiments with this root in a disorder

called tetter worm and in several instances succeeded in curing it when

other valuable remedies had failed. Steep the sliced root in strong

vinegar ten days, and wash the part affected two or three times a day. I

shall conclude my remarks on this valuable root by observing that, it

possesses a great many valuable qualities which are probably yet unknown.

The best time to collect it for medical purposes, is when the seeds are

ripe - which is about the beginning of May.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------





//On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 11:45:30 +0900 (JST) gopher@dna.affrc.go.jp writes:

//>Newsgroups: sci.med,misc.health.alternative,alt.folklore.herbs

//>From: bae@cs.toronto.edu (Beverly Erlebacher)

//>Subject: Re: Looking for answers?

//>X-Nntp-Posting-Host: palm.cs.toronto.edu

//>Message-ID: <1998Aug26.191454.58@jarvis.cs.toronto.edu>

//>Organization: CS Lab, University of Toronto

//>References: <6rh9ic$8v0$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> 

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//>Date: 26 Aug 98 23:14:54 GMT

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//>Jean <vitranjx@mail.milwaukee.k12.wi.us> wrote:

//>>Hi Beverly:)

//>>I personally do not have melanoma lesions...but it was stated in the 

//>book

//>>that you can use the bloodroot paste for other skin discolorations, 

//>such as

//>>moles....

//>

//>My point is that if you notice a change in a mole or other skin 

//>discoloration,

//>futzing around with bloodroot paste rather than getting it checked by 

//>a

//>doctor is dangerous.

//>

//>>I think I'd like to experiment and see what happens....

//>

//>It's your life (and death).

//>

//>>I really

//>>don't believe that it would be written in a best selling book if it 

//>wasn't

//>>safe to try...

//>

//>My goodness, what planet do you live on?

//>

//>>and yes, I'll do my homework before I try it...

//>

//>Just what kind of homework did you have in mind?  A pathology 

//>residency?

//>

//>>I'm not quite sure what the first lady is looking for....but yes, I 

//>would

//>>also suggest that if she has melanoma to see a doctor...this is 

//>nothing to

//>>fool around with....

//>

//>She should see a doctor if she notices a change in a mole.  By the 

//>time

//>she has metastatic melanoma (not long after the change in the mole) 

//>she

//>might as well just fool around with folk remedies until the pain gets

//>out of control.

//>

//>>smilin,

//>>jean

//>

//>Enjoy.

//>

//>

//>



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Subject: sugar cravings

From: Katherine Hernandez <katt@shell.gis.net>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:53:22 -0400

--------

hi-

I have these enormous sugar cravings, out of control, and I am wondering

if anyone knows ay herbs to counter this. Iknow these cravings can be

caused by depleted minerals in the body, but I don't knowwhich herbs would

be the best tonic. . . 



					-Katt Hernandez







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Subject: Re: sugar cravings

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 21 Aug 98 08:20:59 EDT

--------

Katherine Hernandez <katt@shell.gis.net>  wrote:

KH> I have these enormous sugar cravings, out of control, and I am

KH> wondering if anyone knows ay herbs to counter this. Iknow these

KH> cravings can be caused by depleted minerals in the body, but I don't

KH> knowwhich herbs would be the best tonic. . .



    Are you taking a high quality vitamin/supplement?

    Are you eating fruits & veggies?



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Subject: Re: sugar cravings

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 17:31:56 -0700

--------

You may try eating sweets that are made for diabetics.  I have some recipies

for sugarless sweets that I can send you if you like.  Also, you may want an

herbal replacement for sugar.  Stevia is a good one, it also helps curb food

cravings.  Have you had your blood sugar tested?



Sparrow

HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow



George Lagergren wrote in message ...

>Katherine Hernandez <katt@shell.gis.net>  wrote:

>KH> I have these enormous sugar cravings, out of control, and I am

>KH> wondering if anyone knows ay herbs to counter this. Iknow these

>KH> cravings can be caused by depleted minerals in the body, but I don't

>KH> knowwhich herbs would be the best tonic. . .

>

>    Are you taking a high quality vitamin/supplement?

>    Are you eating fruits & veggies?

>

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Subject: Re: sugar cravings

From: hhealth@global.co.za.X

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:00:10 GMT

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<snip>



I'be been using magnesium supplements to reduce the sugar cravings -

wow!







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Subject: Herb that replaces Retalin

From: Lyndia McDonald <mcdonald@rosharon.wireline.slb.com>

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 14:18:23 -0500

--------

My son is attention deficit.  Someone told me there is an herb that acts

as retalin does, but

without the side effects.  They didn't recall the name.  Can you help?

Your help is appreciated,

mcdonald@rosharon.wireline.slb.com







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Subject: Re: Herb that replaces Retalin

From: "slade or kay henson" <nohow-noway@nowhere.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 09:38:36 -0500

--------

My son was on Ritalin for a while. He was then switched to Dexedrine. Then

they wanted to switch him to Klonipin (not sure of the spelling). I took him

completely off the Dexedrine, detoxed him for a week with blood purifying

herbs so he wouldn't have withdrawals from it, then started him on a mixture

of herbs to relax and calm him. These herbs were: Passion Flower, Valerian

Root, Chamomile, flower, Hops flowers, Catnip, Lavender Flower, Myrrh gum,

and Spearmint leaves. He did wonderful on this mixture. He was calm, could

think, could interact with others without being loud and destructive, and he

didn't have the "stoned and stupid" gaze in his eyes. He is now 7 years old,

and doesn't take it any longer unless we have something out of the ordinary

going on. We also use behavior modification with him, diet/nutrition changes

have been made, and we have taught him to control himself and his behavior.



Kay



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Subject: Re: Herb that replaces Retalin

From: jbarlow@forthrt.com (Janis & David Barlow)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:07:51 GMT

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Lyndia McDonald <mcdonald@rosharon.wireline.slb.com> wrote:



>My son is attention deficit.  Someone told me there is an herb that acts

>as retalin does, but

>without the side effects.  They didn't recall the name.  Can you help?

>Your help is appreciated,

>mcdonald@rosharon.wireline.slb.com

>

A good nutritional supplement designed to support his nervous system

would be wonderful for your son.  Essential nutrients like

Evening Primrose Oil and Salmon Oil,  Calcium, Magnesium and Chromium,

and  the B vitamins would be most useful.  There is a great product

called Melatone Syrup which makes all these nutrients available in a

fructose and honey base liquid, which children love.  Email me if you

want some details about it.





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Subject: Re: Herb that replaces Retalin

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:18:54 GMT

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>My son is attention deficit.  Someone told me there is an herb that acts

>as retalin does, but

>without the side effects.  They didn't recall the name.  Can you help?



There is an ADD regimen on my web page in the Suggested Regimens

for Various Maladies section.  I don't sell anything.



http://www.mindspring.com/~turf/



As far as single supplements, there are two that work okay -

Kidalin and Pediactive ADD - call around herb shops to see

who carries them.



turf







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Subject: herb urls?

From: maggie@kfalls.net

Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 23:14:21 GMT

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Hi everyone:  I'm new to the list; I hope this isn't unbearably repetitive.

-- Does anyone have the urls for San Francisco Herb Co. or Pacific Botanicals

in Oregon?  Or for any reliable mail-order source of herbs on the Pacific

coast?  I have ordered from Penn Herb Co. but they are so far away. TIA

Margo@my-dejanews









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To: maggie@kfalls.net

Subject: Re: herb urls?

From: Richard <richardb@virtual-cafe.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 13:39:20 -0700

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I remember looking for SFHCo. about a year ago. Since lost the bookmark but found

using Lycos Yellow Pages.

http://www.sfherb.com/

Found this resource list using infoseek. No URL but addy and phone.

http://sunsite.sut.ac.jp/pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/SWSBM/Resources/ResList.txt



Hope this helps.

You live around Kettle Falls?

Richard

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maggie@kfalls.net wrote:



> Hi everyone:  I'm new to the list; I hope this isn't unbearably repetitive.

> -- Does anyone have the urls for San Francisco Herb Co. or Pacific Botanicals

> in Oregon?  Or for any reliable mail-order source of herbs on the Pacific

> coast?  I have ordered from Penn Herb Co. but they are so far away. TIA

> Margo@my-dejanews

>

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Subject: Psychopharmacology of Calea zacatechichi A Dream Plant

From: patanie@pasdepub.com (Patanie)

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 08:37:18 GMT

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Journal of Ethnopharmacology 18 (1986) 229-243 Elsevier Scientific

Publishers Ireland Ltd



PSYCHOPHARMACOLOGIC ANALYSIS OF AN ALLEGED

ONEIROGENIC PLANT: CALEA ZACATECHICHI



LILIAN MAYAGOITIA. Jose-Luis Diaz and Carlos M. CONTRERAS



Departamenta de Psicobiologia y Cunducto, Instituto Mexicano de

Psiquiatria, Antiguo



Camino a Xochimilco 101, San Lorenzo Huipulco Tlalpan 14370 and

Departamento de



Fisiologia. Instituto de Investigaciones Biomedicas, Universidad

Nacional

Autonoma de



Mexico, Apartado Postal 70228. Ciudad Universitaria, Coyoacan 04510

(Mexico, D.F.)



(Accepted October 8. 1986)



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Summary



Calea zacatechichi is a plant used by the Chontal Indians of Mexico to



obtain divinatory messages during dreaming. At human doses, organic



extracts of the plant produce the EEG and behavioral signs of

somnolence



and induce light sleep in cats. Large doses elicit salivation, ataxia.



retching and occasional vomiting. The effects of the plant upon

cingulum



discharge frequency were significantly different from hallucinogenic-



dissociative drugs (ketamine. quipazine, phencyclidine and SKF-10017).

In



human healthy volunteers, low doses of the extracts administered in a



double-blind design against placebo increased reaction time end

time-lapse



estimation. A controlled nap sleep study in the same volunteers showed



that Calea extracts increased the superficial stages of sleep and the



number of spontaneous awakenings. The subjective reports of dreams



were significantly higher than both placebo and diazepam, indicating

an



increase in hypnagogic imagery occurring during superficial sleep

stages.



Introduction



Dreams are important in mesoamerican cultures. They are believed to



occur in a realm of suprasensory reality and, therefore, are capable

of



conveying messages (Lopez-Auatin. 1980). The use of plant preparations

in



order to produce or to enhance dreams of a divinatory nature

constitutes



an ethnopharmacological category that can be called "oneiromancy" and



which justifies rigorous neuropharmacological research.



There are several plants used in Indian communities of Mexico to

obtain



divinatory messages from dreams. Several puffball mushrooms



(Lycoperdon spp.), wrongly reported as hallucinogens (Ott et al.,

1975),

are



eaten fresh by Mixtec Indians before going to bed in order to dream

(Diaz,



1975. 1979). Nahuatl Indians from the Sierra de Puebla use an as yet



unidentified species of Salvia, known by the name of Xiwit, for the

same



purpose (Tim Knab, pers. commun.). The plant known as Bakana to the



Tarahumara Indians, which has been reported to be an analgesic,



antipsychotic and divinatory agent(Bye. 1979), was later found to be



employed for dreaming during night sleep (William Merrill, pers.



commun.). Finally, Calea zacatechichi Schl. (Compositae) is used in

the



same context by the Chontal Indians of Oaxaca.



C. zacatechichi is a plant of extensive popular medicinal use in

Mexico



(Diaz. 1976). An infusion of the plant (roots. leaves and stem) is

employed



against gastrointestinal disorders, as an appetizer. cholagogue,

cathartic.



antidysentry remedy, and has also been reported to be an effective



febrifuge. With other aromatic Compositae, dry C. zacatechichi is used

as



insecticide (Diet, 1975). There is also some information concerning



psychotropic properties of this plant that require further

clarification



(Schultes and Hofmann, 1973).



The pioneer study on the appetizer properties of zacatechichi,

conducted



at the Institute Medico Nacional of Mexico, mentioned some

psychoactive



effects (Sandoval, 1882). MacDougall (1968) reported that a Chontal



informant knew that the leaves of the plant were to be either smoked

or



drunk as an infusion to obtain divinatory messages. Subsequent



interviews with MacDougall's informant and active participation in



ceremonial ingestion revealed that the plant is used for divination

during



dreaming (Diaz, 1975). Whenever it is desired to know the cause of an



illness or the location of a distant or lost person, dry leaves of the

plant



are smoked, drunk and put under the pillow before going to sleep.



Reportedly, the answer to the question comes in a dream. A collection

of



interviews and written reports concerning the psychotropic effects of

these;



preparations on 12 volunteers has been published (Diaz. 1975, 1979).

Free,



reports and direct questioning disclosed a discrete enhancement of all



sensorial perceptions, an increase in imagery, mild thought

discontinuity,



rapid flux of ideas. and difficulties in retrieval. These effects were

followed



by somnolence and a short sleep during which lively dreams were

reported



by the majority of the volunteers. These preliminary observations



suggested that the psychotropic effects of the plant were similar to

those



interesting from ethnobotanical. psychological and

neuropharmacological



of the "cognodysleptic" drugs, whose prototype is marihuana (Cannabis



saliva)(Diaz, 1979). The possible effects upon dreaming are the most



perspectives .



C. zacatechichi is a shrub measuring 1-1.5 m in height. The plant has



many branches with oviform and opposite leaves (3-5 cm long and 2-4 cm



wide). The leaves show serrated borders, acute endings and a short

petiole.



They are rugose and pubescent. The inflorescence is small and dense



(comprising around 12 flowers each) with the pedicels shorter than the



heads (Martinet, 1939). The plant grows from Mexico to Costs Rice in

dry



savannas and canyons (Schultes and Hoffmann, 1973). The name of the



species comes from Nahuatl "zacatechichi" which means "bitter grass'

and



is the common name of the plant all over Mexico. It is also known with

the



Spanish names of "zacate de perro" (dog's grass), "hoja madre"

(mother's



leaf) "hoja de dies" (Cod's leaf), and thle-pela-kano in Chontal Diaz,



1975).



Several sesquiterpene lactones had been isolated from the plant.

Calaxin



and ciliarin were identified by Ortega et al. (1970), and the



germacranolides, 1B-acetoxy zacatechinolide and l-oxo zacatechinolide,

by



Bohlmann and Zdero (1977). Quijano at al. (1977. 1978) identified



caleocromenes A and B and caleins A and B. while Ramos (1979) found



caleicins I and II. Herz and Kumar (1980) isolated acacetin, o-methyl



acacetin, zexbrevin and an analogue, as well as several analogues of



budlein A and neurolenin B, including calein A. C. zacatechichi

samples



show differences in chemical composition, which has led Bohlmann et

al.



(1981) to suggest that chemical taxonomy may help to reclassify the



genus. Further taxonomic work is required since our Chontal informant



distinguishes between "good" and "bad" varieties according to their



psychotropic properties.



In the present paper we report some properties of zacatechichi

extracts



upon cat behavior and EEG, human reaction time, nap EEG, and



subjective experiences.



Materials and methods



Plant collection and extract preparations



"Good" samples of C. zacatechichi were collected under the guidance of



the Chontal informant near Tehuantepec, Oaxaca during November, 1978.



Specimens of this collection were identified by Dr. Miguel Angel

Martinet



Alfaro at the National Herbarium of Mexico as C. zacatechichi despite

the



Fact that there were minor morphological differences relative to

previously



collected material. The samples were identical with collections made

in the



area of the isthmus of Tehuantepec.



One kilogram of the dried plant (stem and leaves) was mashed and



extracted with hexane until exhaustion in a Soxhlet apparatus. This



fraction was dried and 308 of an solvent-free hexane extract were



obtained. The remaining material was thoroughly extracted with

methanol



and the organic fraction evaporated. This procedure resulted in 86 g

of a



solvent-free gummy residue called the methanol extract. Both extracts



were separated in fractions and packed in gelatin capsules for



pharmacological experiments. The dose was estimated in the following



manner: the human dose for divinatory purposes reported by the Chontal



informant is "a handful" of the dried plant. Since the mean weight of



many handfuls taken by several people was 60 g. we decided that the



average human dose (HD-1) is around 1 g/kg of dried-mashed material.



Therefore, the HD-1 for the hexane extract was 30 mg/kg, and 86 mg/kg

for



the methanol extract. In the experiments with cats. doses of HD-2. -4.

-6



and -10 of both extracts were used. The EEG; effects of C.

zacatechichi



extracts were compared with those elicited by phencyclidine

(Bio-ceutic



Laboratories), quipazine (Miles Research Products). ketamine (Parke



Davis) and SKF-10047 (Smith Kline B French), and industrial solvent



toluene. which can produce the appearance of 6 cps spike and wave



activity in the cingulum of cats. During the appearance of this



electrographic activity. animals show "hallucinatory" behavior

(Conteras



et al.. 1979, 1984).



Behavioral toxicology in cats



This first experiment was performed in order to assess the possible

toxic



behavioral effects of C. zacatechichi extracts. For this purpose three

male



cats (3 kg each) were used. Observations were done from 1300 to 1500 h

in



a sound-attenuated recording chamber (109 x 76 x 74 cm) with a

triple-glass



wall. Each animal was placed in the cage and its behavior was recorded

for



1 h prior to oral administration of a gelatin capsule (25 x 8 mm)

containing



a zacatechichi extract and 2 h thereafter. Each capsule was placed

inside



the mouth and swallowing was forced by giving 2-3 ml of saline

solution.



The extracts (methanol or hexane) and doses (HD-1, HD-2. HD-4. HD-10)



were randomly assigned and tested only once. Two cats were observed



three times and the third animal twice. Between tests each animal was



allowed to rest for 6 days. Sampling ad libitum (Altmann. 1974) was

used



to evaluate the cats' response. Attention was given to abnormal

behaviors



such as ataxia, bizarre postures and movements directed to

non-existing



objects (Fischer. 1969).



EEG activity in cats



Several common EEG effects to a series of hallucinogenic compounds



have been reported by Winters et al. (1972). A dissociative action in



multi-unitary activity between the reticular formation and basolateral



amygdala and a hypersynchronic rhythm (2-3 cpa) in cortical recording

are



the two most characteristic features. Tracheal administration of



neurotoxic industrial solvents produce limbic discharges while cats

display



"hallucinatory behavior" (Contreras et al., 1979). The following

experiment



was designed to ascertain whether C. zacatechichi extracts share these



neurophysiological actions.



Six adult male cats were stereotaxically implanted with stainless

steel



concentric bipolar electrodes in the basolateral amygdala. the septum

and



cingulum according to the atlas of Snider and Niemer (1961). Epidural



electrodes were placed on the cortex at the marginal circumvolution.

After



surgery the animals were allowed a & 1 week recovery period. Each cat

was



used as its own control and the effects of oral administration of



zacatechichi extracts (HD-6) were compared to those of phencyclidine



(400 ug/kg i.m.), quipazine (10 mg/kg i.p.), ketamine (6 mg/kg i.m.)

and



SKF-10047 (3 mg/kg i.m.). These drugs are dissociative

psychodysleptics



and produce 6 cps wave-and-spike activity in cingulum recording in



addition to the characteristic hypersynchronic rhythm (Contreras at

al.,



1984). In each experiment, control recordings were taken in addition

to



t 60 min and + 120 min after drug administration.



Reaction Time and Time-lapse estimation in humans



Measurement of reaction time to a light flash and the ability to

calculate



fixed lapse times in humans allows the identification of hypnotic



compounds (Fernandez-Guardiola et al., 1972). Objective evaluations of



time perception modification by marihuana have been achieved with the



same technique (Fernandez-Cuardiola et al., 1974). From the

experiments



performed in cats it appeared that zacatechichi had hypnotic

properties.



Therefore, we chose this experimental paradigm to evaluate human

effects.



The study was performed in 5 healthy volunteers (3 women and 2 men.



ages 23-34) according to the procedure described by

Fernandez-Guardiola



et al. (1972, 1974). The subjects were informed about the experiment

and



the known effects of the plant and a written consent was obtained.



Capsules containing either a Calea extract (HD-1) or placebo were



administered 1 H before the task in a double-blind randomized design,



where neither the volunteers nor the evaluator knew which substance

had



been ingested. The first session did not involve the administration of

any



substance in order to habituate the subjects to the experimental



manipulations. Physiological responses recorded included EEG,



electromyogram, electrocardiogram, and galvanic akin response. All



sessions were done at the same time period (1700-1820 h). A complete



session consisted of alternated 10-min periods for reaction-time

evaluation



and 10-min periods for time-lapse estimation. In the reaction-time

periods.



the subjects were instructed to press a button with their dominant

hand as



soon as possible after a light wee dashed. Intervals between

consecutive



Bashes were of 10-s duration. In the following 10 min, alternating

with the



reaction-time periods, the subjects were asked to estimate the dash



intervals by pressing the button each time they thought the light

should



have been dashed. The entire test lasted 80 min. Analysis of variance

was



used to assess results between and within individuals, the protected

"t"



and Least Significant Difference tests were used in paired

comparisons.



Sleep recordings in humans



The conventional procedure for EEG recording of sleep (Rechtschaffen



and hales. 1968) was used in a similar double-blind randomized design



which. in this case, included a low dose of an active hypnotic drug



(diazepam, 25 mg orally). In order to standardize the nap session,

all



volunteers were asked to reduce their normal sleep time by 2 h the

night



before testing. The extract, diazepam or placebo capsule was ingested

1 H



prior to the recording session (1700-1900 h). The physiological

variables



recorded included respiratory and heart rates, number of nap episodes.



total time spent in wakefulness (W). in slow wave sleep stages (SWS

stages



I to IV) and in rapid-eye-movement sleep (REM) (Rechtschaffen and

Kales,



1968). The respiratory rate was recorded by means of a thermistor

located



in the nostril and connected to a polygraph amplifier measuring the

air



temperature in each inhalation-exhalation cycle. This is an indirect

method



which provides the frequency and amplitude of respiratory rate. Data



analyses were done by means of factorial analysis of variance (ANOVA).



For paired comparisons, the Student Newman-Keuls test was used.



Dream reports



The psychological effects of Calea extracts were evaluated by the



application of directed questionnaires and analysis of free reports of

the



subjective sensations and dreams in all human volunteers after the



reaction-time, nap sessions and the following night. Neither the

subjects.



the interviewer nor the evaluator knew whether the individual had

taken a



plant extract, diazepam, or placebo. The results were compared by the



binomial test.



Results and discussion



Behavioral toxicology in cats



Some minor behavioral changes were observed with low doses of both



extracts (HD-1 and HD-2). The cats stared for long periods of time and



30 min after the administration of the zacatechichi extracts

somnolence



and sleep were frequently observed. The HD-4 and HD-1O doses of the



hexane extract produced ataxia, bilateral contractions of nasal and



maxillar muscles, and stereotyped pendulum head movements. The HD-10



dose also induced salivation with vomiting occurring about 90 min

after



administration. The methanol extract produced ataxia (HD-4) and



compulsive grooming (HD-2). A common toxic effect of both extracts



(doses HD4 and HD-10) was retching and thick salivation.



It was not clear if these effects were elicited by direct central

nervous



system stimulation or in response to local gastric irritation caused

by



some bitter principle of the plant. This activity was noted by Giral

and



Ladabaum (1959) and may be responsible for the appetizer properties of

C.



zacatechichi. Stare and pendular head movements can be elicited by

several



psychoactive drugs such as toluene (Alcaraz et al., 1977; Contreras et

al.,



1977), quipazine (Sales et al.. 1966, 1968) and dopamine agonists

(Ernst.



1967). These effects are. therefore, not specific for any one of the

several



classes of psychoactive compounds. Moreover, staring and pendular head



movements may merely be indications of somnolence. In order to analyze



more precisely the neural effects, electrophysiological recordings

were



taken in free-moving cats.



EEG activity in cats



Both plant extracts produced similar EEG changes which were very



different from the other drugs used(Fig. 1). The hexane extract

induced 3



cps large voltage rhythms in the cortex, cingulum and septum while the



methanol extract provoked 8 slowing of the EEG rhythm more



predominant in subcortical structures. Somnolence was observed during



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the appearance of these changes. A quantitative analysis of frequency

of



discharge in the cingulum was performed for all drugs tested (Fig. 2).

The



hexane extract produced only minor changes while the methanol extract



clearly decreased the frequency. This response is in contrast to the

known



psychodysleptic compounds which produce decreases of 6-7 cps

(Contreras:-



et al.. 1984).



The results of these experiments show that zacatechichi does not share



the neurophysiological effects of the dissociative psychodysleptics

and



only induces the behavioral and EEG signs of somnolence and sleep. The



apparent low toxicity of the plant in these experiments and its

history of



ethnobotanical use allowed us to ascertain the hypnotic potency,

dream-



inducing effects and other psychotropic properties in human beings.



Reaction time and time-lapse estimation in humans



No differences among the three treatments were found for human



rate, galvanic skin response and EEG recordings. With the methanol



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extract, short periods of sleep (stage I) usually appeared between

flash



intervals, and the subjects were awakened by the light. Both extracts



produced a statistically significant slowness of reaction-time (Fig.

3):



250 ms with placebo, 280 ms with hexane extract and 290 ms with



methanol extract (P < 0.01). Similarly, the IO-s lapse was

overestimated



with the zacatechichi extracts (Fig. 4). The methanol extract

increased



estimation by 3 s on average (P < 0.001). Both extracts increased



respiratory rate, but this change was not significantly different from



controls.



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The characteristic EEG slowness and the increased reaction times of



subjects treated with both extracts suggested that zacatechichi may



contain hypnotic compounds. Moreover, a larger effect was elicited by

the



methanol extract suggesting that the active compounds might be found

in



the polar fractions. An increase in time-lapse estimation and a weak



respiratory analeptic effects have been reported after marihuana



administration (Fernandez-Guardiola et al., 1974).



Sleep recordings in humans



Since the experiment just discussed did not allow an analysis of sleep



stages, the possibility of sleep and dream modifications by

zacatechichi



was tested in a nap study conducted in the same human volunteers.



Heart rate, total time and frequency of each stage of sleep did not



change with any treatment in comparison to placebo (Fig. 5). However.

it



was found that the frequency of W and SWS-IV stages were significantly



modified by treatments (W F(3,32)= 5.28, P < 0.01; SWS-IV F(3,32) =

3.35.



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P<0.05). Post-hoc paired comparisons showed that, upon onset of sleep,



the methanol extract and diazepam increased significantly the

frequency of



W stages (P < 0.05) when compared to placebo. In contrast, methanol



extract and diazepam decreased significantly (P < 0.05) the number of



SWS-IV stages. The other stages of sleep were not significantly

modified



by treatments. SWS-I and SWS-II showed a alight increase in comparison



to placebo and, in contrast, SWS-III and REM stages decreased

slightly.



Respiratory rate was significantly modified by treatments (F(3,400)=



79.92, P < 0.005). Paired comparisons showed that the methanol extract



increased (P < 0.05) when compared to all other treatments (Fig. 6).



Although this small increase may lack physiological relevance, it does



suggest a pharmacological effect upon respiratory rate.



These results support the idea that zacatechichi extracts,

particularly



the methanol fraction, contain compounds with activity equivalent to

sub-



hypnotic diazepam doses. Ingestion of the plant produces a light

hypnotic



state with a decrease of both deep slow-wave sleep and REM periods.

The



question of the ethnobotanical use and open trial reports of dream



enhancement was studied in the following section by the evaluation of



subjective reports during the sleep study.



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Dream reports



The quantitative results concerning hypnagogic imagery and dreams are



summarized in Table 1. Data from the reaction-time and the nap

sessions



end the following night were pooled. Significantly more dreams (P <

001,



in comparison to placebo) were reported after the methanol extract.



Similarly, the number of dreams reported during naps was significantly



higher following the administration of the plant extracts than with



diazepam (P < 0.01). It can be appreciated that, although not

significant,



the number of dreams reported was greater after the ingestion of Calea



extracts than placebo. A more detailed analysis of dream content is

shown



in Table 2. The number of subjects that did not remember dreaming was



always greater after placebo and diazepam administration and.

conversely,



the individuals that reported more than one dream per session were

always



the ones treated with zacatechichi extracts. The dreams reported by



subjects ingesting Calea extracts, were of a shorter content (measured

by



the number of lines written in the report). Spontaneous reports of



emotions and nightmares were not different among the four treatments.



Nevertheless, with the methanol extract more colors during dreaming

were



mentioned .



These results show that zacatechichi administration appears to enhance



the number and/or recollection of dreams during sleeping periods. The

data



are in agreement with the oneirogenic reputation of the plant among

the



Chontal Indians but stand in apparent contradiction to the EEG sleep-



study results. It is well known that dreaming activity is correlated

to the



REM or paradoxical phase of sleep (Aserinsky and Kleitman, 1953) and

it



could be expected that a compound that increases dream would also



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increase REM stage frequency or duration, as it has been shown to

occur



with physostigmine (Sitaram et al., 1978). In contrast, zacatechichi



increases the stages of slow wave sleep and apparently decreases REM



sleep. This also occurs with low doses 12-10 mg) of diazepam (Harvey,



1982). Despite this similarity in EEG effects, diazepam decreases

dreaming



reports (Firth, 1974) while zacatechichi extracts enhances them. Such



discrepancy may be explained by the fact that dreaming and imagery are



not restricted to the REM episodes but also occur during slow wave

sleep



(SWS I and II) as lively hypnagogic images (Roffwarg et al., 1962).

Such



images are reported as brief dreams and are known to be enhanced by



marihuana (Hollister, 1971). All this suggests that Calea zacatechichi



induces episodes of lively hypnagogic imagery during SWS stage I of

sleep,



a psychophysiological effect that would be the basis of the

ethnobotanical



use of the plant as an oneirogenic and oneiromantic agent.



Acknowledgments



The authors wish to express their gratitude to Dr. Alfredo Ortega for



advice in the preparation of the plant extracts.



References



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Subject: Re: Herb that replaces Retali

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 21 Aug 98 08:20:58 EDT

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LM> Subject: Herb that replaces Retalin

Lyndia McDonald <mcdonald@rosharon.wireline.slb.com>  wrote:

LM> My son is attention deficit.  Someone told me there is an herb that

LM> acts as retalin does, but

LM> without the side effects.  They didn't recall the name.  Can you help?

LM> Your help is appreciated,



    One poster in a health ng said her kids were helped by taking

    supplemental digestive enzymes at meal times and giving them

    liquid vitamins/minerals at breakfast and supper time.



    Maybe grape seed extract might help???



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Subject: Herbies

From: "Desire" <jjb@lantic.co.za>

Date: 21 Aug 1998 17:57:51 GMT

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Thanks for a great ng - at last I am in contact with "herbies" from all

over - can anyone help - I'm looking for a remedy for removing "liver"

spots or age spots caused by sun. In South Africa we have just come through

a winter that was no more than a mild autumn and although it is only August

we are already having temperatures of 25 + and as I am a keen gardener and

walker I am looking for some way to protect a skin that has been abused

over the years.   Hope someone can help

 

Desire K

jjb@lantic.co.za





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Subject: Re: Herbies

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:45:45 GMT

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"Desire" <jjb@lantic.co.za> wrote:



>Thanks for a great ng - at last I am in contact with "herbies" from all

>over - can anyone help - I'm looking for a remedy for removing "liver"

>spots or age spots caused by sun. In South Africa we have just come through

>a winter that was no more than a mild autumn and although it is only August

>

I am a keen gardener and

>walker I am looking for some way to protect a skin that has been abused

>over the years.

  A SPF 30 sunscreen to prevent further damage, and any of the

exfoliant skin lotions - look for glycolic acid, sulfosalycilic

acid, or "beta hydroxy acids" in the ingredients.

  A Mexican remedy was to lay pineapple peel on them - it's

really high in the hydroxy acids.

Tsu Dho Nimh



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Subject: Re: Damiana: Poor man's Viagra

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 22:56:18 GMT

--------

blusky@gate.net wrote:



NNTP-Posting-Host: 207.120.85.166  belongs to IMSWEB.NET

  Although this jerk was trying to hide behind dejanews while

advertising an AOL website from yet another ISP.



>Damiana has been used for 1000 years by natives to boost the sex drive in both

>men and women. It's much cheaper than Viagra and does not require a

>prescription.

>see: http://members.aol.com/damiana66



From the Website:

"DAMIANA is a natural herb used for centuries by natives

world-wide as a sex stimulant and folk cure for IMPOTENCE."



  Yeah, sure, but please explain to me how the natives around the

world were getting their hands on a plant from Northern Mexico

... clearly they had a better-developed trade routes than

anthropologists ever suspected.



  And your price SUCKS!  "100 capsules only $39.95 plus $3.00

shipping and handling" ... when it sells as a loose herb for

1/10th the cost at much higher quality, and even at places like

Hi-Health for $7.49 a capsule, same size, adequate quality.

  Can we say "rip-off", "overpriced", and 



  And the site has been turned in to abuse@aol.com for being

spamvertised.  I hope it doesn't live long.





Tsu Dho Nimh



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Subject: Re: Damiana: Poor man's Viagra

From: Valerian <valerian@home.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 10:03:41 GMT

--------

x-no-archive: yes



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote:

>   And your price SUCKS!  "100 capsules only $39.95 plus $3.00

> shipping and handling"



That's just plain -crazy-.



>   And the site has been turned in to abuse@aol.com for being

> spamvertised.  I hope it doesn't live long.



(applause)



-Val





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Subject: Re: Damiana: Poor man's Viagra

From: skeezix@csrlink.net (Ex Tea Drinker)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 21:10:31 GMT

--------

In article <6rkil9$7nu$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, blusky@gate.net says with dry 

humor and great wisdom...



>Damiana has been used for 1000 years by natives to boost the sex drive in both

>men and women. It's much cheaper than Viagra and does not require a

>prescription.

>see: http://members.aol.com/damiana66



Sure, and if you believe this, I have a watch to sell you.  It has perfect time, twice a day.

I took Damiana, for months, at first, the recommended dosage, then increasing that as I 

did not see results. I was taking a lot more than the label said to, and still did not see that 

it did anything for me, in regards to impotency.  Your milage may vary.







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Subject: Re: Damiana: Poor man's Viagra

From: "~ WindSong ~" <noweeds@weirdless.net>

Date: 23 Aug 1998 07:26:24 GMT

--------

: Sure, and if you believe this, I have a watch to sell you.  It has

perfect time, twice a day.

: I took Damiana, for months, at first, the recommended dosage, then

increasing that as I 

: did not see results. I was taking a lot more than the label said to, and

still did not see that 

: it did anything for me, in regards to impotency.  Your milage may vary.

======================================><>

Since Viagra came out (and it seems to work if it don't kill you first) the

spammers are having a field day with all kinds of impotency products to

scam the people with.  It's a whole new $$$ making ballgame for them.  

-- 

Carol .. 

"The real reason you can't take it with you is that it goes before you do".

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*



: 

: 





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Subject: Re: Damiana: Poor man's Viagra

From: "~ WindSong ~" <noweeds@weirdless.net>

Date: 23 Aug 1998 07:23:48 GMT

--------

: 

:   And the site has been turned in to abuse@aol.com for being

: spamvertised.  I hope it doesn't live long.

: : : Tsu Dho Nimh



: : Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.

===========================================><>

That's my 3rd favorite hobby!  :o)

-- 

Carol .. 

"The real reason you can't take it with you is that it goes before you do".

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*







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Subject: Re: Damiana: Poor man's Viagra

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:06:45 GMT

--------

On 23 Aug 1998 07:23:48 GMT, "~ WindSong ~" <noweeds@weirdless.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>:   And the site has been turned in to abuse@aol.com for being

>: spamvertised.  I hope it doesn't live long.

>: : : Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>: : Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.

>===========================================><>

>That's my 3rd favorite hobby!  :o)



United we stand, eh?

Henriette





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Subject: Re: Damiana: Poor man's Viagra

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:51:35 +0100

--------

In article <TREWQ-2708982259420001@ppp-66-48.dialup.winternet.com>,

Mik^%Schnder <TREWQ@TREWQwinTREWQternet.com> writes

>In article <6s3oau$8vs$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, blusky@gate.net wrote:

>

>>With the scary stories about men dying after taking Viagra I hear there is

>>a much less expensive herbal approach called Damiana which has been used for

>>centuries as an aphrodisiac and has no side effects.

>>More info at:

>>http://members.aol.com/damiana66



Damiana has side effects it makes you go to the loo, .....a lot. its

very good for men or women who have a water retention problem, but it

should not be overused it can cause kidney problems. 

-- 

Shez                                shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady    http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/





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Subject: Herbs for Hamstring Injury?

From: Charlie Bastnagel <charlie@chattanooga.net>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 16:08:59 -0700

--------



  Does anyone have any suggestions for herbs that could be used in

aiding the healing of a

hamstring injury.  I strained my hamstring playing soccer and have some

important Triathlons coming up soon and am looking for a way to help

heal this injury and also for herbs that could have helped prevent my

succeptibility to muscle injury.



 Thanks

 Charlie Bastnagel

 email: charlie@chattanooga.net







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Subject: Re: Herbs for Hamstring Injury?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:54:33 GMT

--------

Charlie Bastnagel <charlie@chattanooga.net> wrote:



>

>  Does anyone have any suggestions for herbs that could be used in

>aiding the healing of a

>hamstring injury.  I strained my hamstring playing soccer and have some

>important Triathlons coming up soon 

Charlie - 

  The critical thing is REST, with alternating hot and cold

packs, and slowly increasing gentle exervcise.  Find a good

sports medicine spacialist and FOLLOW their advice.

  Massaging arnica gel into the injured area will make it FEEL

better, but that's not the same as triathlon-ready and healed.

If you try to use it before it's truly healed, you risk

lengthening your recovery time, and injuring yourself more

seriously.

  Here's an example:

  A co-worker and I both sprained ankles severely on the same

evening (severe as in turned blue all the way to the knee and

puffed up to canteloupe size).  I promptly iced and elevated mine

for a few hours, went to the doctor the following morning, and

was on crutches for two weeks with lots of icing, hot packs and

elevating it whenever possible ... I could walk in two weeks, and

full recovery of flexibility took about 4 months.

  The co-worker knew he'd been hurt, saw the ankle swelling, but

hobbled around for the rest of the evening, and much of the

following day.  He grudgingly used crutches, and tried three

times to play volleyball within the first month ... he ended up

redamaging the ankle and getting an over-the-knee cast for a

couple of months.



>heal this injury and also for herbs that could have helped prevent my

>succeptibility to muscle injury.

  Stretching exercises, done regularly, proper warmups always,

will do more for you than anything you can eat or rub on your

skin.

Tsu Dho Nimh



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Subject: Growing henna plants?

From: adelekta@kentvm.kent.edu

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 98 19:40:59 EDT

--------

 Just wondering if anyone out there has tried growing henna plants. I just

bought some plants (and seeds) from Richter's, and they had no information on

the particulars (except for "not hardy.") None of my herb or gardening books

mention it, of course. (I know I've seen it in one big text on plants, but

darned if I can remember which one!)

 

Thanks,

Zimra





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Subject: Re: Growing henna plants?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:55:50 GMT

--------

adelekta@kentvm.kent.edu wrote:



> Just wondering if anyone out there has tried growing henna plants. I just

>bought some plants (and seeds) from Richter's, and they had no information on

>the particulars (except for "not hardy.") 

  It grows in India - a tropical humid climate.  Depending on

where you are, it might be a backyard weed to a greenhouse pet.

Tsu Dho Nimh



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Subject: 5-htp: safe? take day or night? dosage?

From: rachthird@aol.com (RachThird)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 00:26:00 GMT

--------

1) I was excited to hear about the anti-depressant effects of 5-htp.  However,

when I went to GNC (General Nutrition Centers) I found three different brands

saying three different things.  I became particularly concerned when one brand

said, "take two tablets at bedtime".  I had just read another brand which said,

"take one tablet twice daily.  Now, one brand suggests that 5-htp should be

taken at bedtime while the other indicates that the time of day is

un-important.  "At bedtime" leads me to believe 5-htp has sleep inducing

properties.



I am interested in hearing from anyone who has experience with this supplement.



2) Is 5-htp safe?

3) Correct dosage?

4) Take anytime or only at bedtime?

5) Long term use OK?



Thanks,



Rach





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Subject: Newbie Question and Gardening question on Rosehips and Gotu-Kola. 

From: Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 20:07:16 -0500

--------

First of all, I have absolutely NO IDEA what a Rosehip is, can anyone

tell me? Thanks.

Second of all, anyone have any tips for growing Gotu-Kola in Texas, USA?

Mine grow a new leaf, and it dies, the other leaves just kinda stay

there, well, one of them is dying and that would get it closer to

complete death. :(



-bahwi





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Subject: Re: Newbie Question and Gardening question on Rosehips and Gotu-Kola.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:57:30 GMT

--------

Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> wrote:



>First of all, I have absolutely NO IDEA what a Rosehip is, can anyone

>tell me? Thanks.

  It's the "fruit" if a rose blossom.  Some varieties produce

lots of them.  Tart, loaded with vitamin C.



>Second of all, anyone have any tips for growing Gotu-Kola in Texas, USA?

>Mine grow a new leaf, and it dies, the other leaves just kinda stay

>there, well, one of them is dying and that would get it closer to

>complete death. :(



  It's a tropical plant - needs warmth and humidity, and perhaps

more light than you are giving it?

Tsu Dho Nimh



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Subject: Re: Newbie Question and Gardening question on Rosehips and Gotu-Kola.

From: Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:34:23 -0500

--------

>   It's the "fruit" if a rose blossom.  Some varieties produce

> lots of them.  Tart, loaded with vitamin C.



What does it look like and it comes from a rose bush then? Thanks for

that

info though, now I know more about it and will try and find some.

 

>   It's a tropical plant - needs warmth and humidity, and perhaps

> more light than you are giving it?



One of the leaves died from too much sun, it gets nothing but morning

sun now, 

it is doing better though. I didn't know it needed humidity, though we

have 

alot of that right now with the tropical storm. Thanks for the info.



-bahwi





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Subject: Re: Newbie Question and Gardening question on Rosehips and Gotu-Kola.

From: brandt@flash.net (Ken Brandt)

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 04:38:17 GMT

--------

On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:57:30 GMT, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:



>Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> wrote:



>  It's the "fruit" if a rose blossom.  Some varieties produce

>lots of them.  Tart, loaded with vitamin C.

>

My question is can you use rosehips from any variety or just certain ones?



Ken & Becky in Tucson





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Subject: Re: Newbie Question and Gardening question on Rosehips and Gotu-Kola.

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:43:26 -0500

--------

Ken Brandt wrote:



> abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote:



> > Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com> wrote:



> >  It's the "fruit" if a rose blossom.  Some varieties produce

> > lots of them.  Tart, loaded with vitamin C.



> My question is can you use rosehips from any variety or just 

> certain ones?



I can't give a citation, but my recollection is that the 'older' 

varietals have more suitable hips.  E.g., dwarf tea rose hips are 

so small as to be hardly worth collecting.  A rugosa 'single' will 

have large and numerous hips.  *Finding* a rugosa is difficult; 

the 'rose catalogues' specialize in hybrids....  Me, I'll make a 

run this fall to the Antique Rose Emporium in Brenham, Texas; I 

want either an Austrian Copper or a pink climbing briar.  [I could 

collect a wild Murphy Rose southwest of Houston, but I *don't* 

want something that would easily enshroud my entire house.]



-Kyra





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Subject: Degeneration Joint Disease

From: jailkeeper@earthlink.net (Janet Goldenberg)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 03:01:35 GMT

--------

	I was diagnosis with Degeneration Joint Disease.  Both my

hands and feet are effective as well as a complete collapse of L5-S1

interspace.  Does ANYONE know how to stop this disease?  I also have

Crohn's Disease. I can't eat diary or fresh fruits and vegtables.



Can ANYONE help me?





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Subject: Re: Degeneration Joint Disease

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 12:02:37 GMT

--------



>

>	I was diagnosis with Degeneration Joint Disease.  Both my

>hands and feet are effective as well as a complete collapse of L5-S1

>interspace.  Does ANYONE know how to stop this disease?



I can't say claim to know the solution to this disease, but a few idea's come

to mind. If it has to do with calcium, Progesterone cream (natural) has been

scientifically proven to get the body to replace the calcium it lost  It takes

years, but it does do it. Do not take progesterone piills, as they can damage

the liver. The cream is excellent. (Wild Yam or Mexican Yam.) Read the label.

It must say 450 mgs per ounce  to have any real benefit on you. Also, I would

recomment calcium/magnesium piills if your digestion isn't bothered by it.

Since you can't eat dairy, increase your calcium by eating other foods and

herbs that contain it, like sesame or boneset. (Boneset tastes yucky, so put in

vege caps.) Good luck!



<3

Pari







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Subject: Re: Degeneration Joint Disease

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:01:20 GMT

--------

jailkeeper@earthlink.net (Janet Goldenberg) wrote:



>	I was diagnosis with Degeneration Joint Disease.  Both my

>hands and feet are effective as well as a complete collapse of L5-S1

>interspace.  Does ANYONE know how to stop this disease?

  More calcium and other minerals (pills - if you haven't been

eating dairy products, you need more calcium than any herbs could

deliver), more protein, and try "Chondroitin" with "glucosamine"

.. it's showing promose as a treatment for degenerative joint

diseases.  It takes a while to show results.



> I also have

>Crohn's Disease. I can't eat diary or fresh fruits and vegtables.

  That severely limits your rehab ... can you eat lightly cooked

veggies and fruits?  

  You'll need a multi-vitamin supplement to compensate for your

bad diet.

Tsu Dho Nimh



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Subject: Re: Degeneration Joint Disease

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 16:30:31 GMT

--------

>  More calcium and other minerals (pills - if you haven't been

>eating dairy products, you need more calcium than any herbs could

>deliver)



While I agree pills should be taken, don't underestimate the power or content

of herbs. Here is a little formula I wish to share:



Netle, safe, chickweed, red clover, raspberry leave and oatstraw. A big mug of

these are reputed to contain 250-300 mgs of calcium. Vit K is important to help

assimulate calcium and that can be found in nettles. Magnesium works with

calcium and that can be found in Oatstraw, kelp, nettles and sage. Vit D also

works with calcium and can be found in Alfalfa and nettles. Now this combo may

not taste so great, so put in vege caps, or experiemnt and make your own

proportions to this formula to taste good. 



I give credit to this recipee to a wise woman on an herbal list I am on.



Now, I still think calcium/magnesium pills should be taken, but herbs hold alot

more calcium than realized. So do foods for that matter. 



Foods high in calcium: sunflower seeds, almonds (if digestion problems, try

soaking and slightly sprouting them), oats, soybeans and tofu, navy beans

(soak), millet, walnuts, dark leafy vegetables. 



Oh, I forgot and this is my favorite herbal vitamin. Dandelion root. It

contains calcium, sodium, potassium, carotene, and minerals. Good to mix with

Alfalfa and kelp in pill form. 



<3

Pari







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Subject: Re: Degeneration Joint Disease

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:22:19 GMT

--------

parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2) wrote:



>Netle, safe, chickweed, red clover, raspberry leave and oatstraw. A big mug of

>these are reputed to contain 250-300 mgs of calcium.



  The daily requirement for women is 1200mg ... so 4 mugs per day

would be needed.





Tsu Dho Nimh



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Subject: Re: Degeneration Joint Disease

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 24 Aug 1998 03:42:50 GMT

--------

>

>  The daily requirement for women is 1200mg ... so 4 mugs per day

>would be needed.

>

>

>Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>



I never said to skip sublemtation, only that herbs are more potent than many

realise. By all m eans, taking calcium/magnesium pills should be done.

(Although in the winter, personally, I LIKE 4 mugs a day. <G> )



<3

Pari





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Subject: Re: Degeneration Joint Disease

From: jbarlow@forthrt.com (Janis & David Barlow)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:12:39 GMT

--------

jailkeeper@earthlink.net (Janet Goldenberg) wrote:



>	I was diagnosis with Degeneration Joint Disease.  Both my

>hands and feet are effective as well as a complete collapse of L5-S1

>interspace.  Does ANYONE know how to stop this disease?  I also have

>Crohn's Disease. I can't eat diary or fresh fruits and vegtables.

>

>Can ANYONE help me?



Calcium/Magnesium/Potassium for a good start.

A good well-blended multi-vitamin

Why can't you eat fresh vegetables?  Could you take a supplement that

contains cruciferous vegetables (kale, broccoli, and such)?

Glucosamine would be wonderful for the pain!  And Cat's Claw would

help too.





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Subject: Re: Degeneration Joint Disease

From: bentl3y@hotmail.com

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:32:36 GMT

--------

In article <35dde268.9278427@news.earthlink.net>,

  jailkeeper@earthlink.net (Janet Goldenberg) wrote:

> 	I was diagnosis with Degeneration Joint Disease.  Both my

> hands and feet are effective as well as a complete collapse of L5-S1

> interspace.  Does ANYONE know how to stop this disease?  I also have

> Crohn's Disease. I can't eat diary or fresh fruits and vegtables.

>

> Can ANYONE help me?

>



I can perhaps help you help yourself. I've recently had a friend of mine take

wintergreen tea for that very same condition (complete with a collapse of the

disc between the lumbar and sacral vertebrae). It stopped bothering him after

about a week. I don't even think he's drinking the tea anymore (he was first

diagnosed with the condition about 2 months ago).

   Wintergreen is traditionally used in Appalachia for degenerative joint

diseases. The traditional way of taking it is to take some as tea, some by

chewing on the leaves and swallowing the juice, and poulticing some on the

areas where there is pain.



Bentley



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Subject: Re: Degeneration Joint Disease

From: ravendanc@aol.com (RAVENDANC)

Date: 25 Aug 1998 11:39:52 GMT

--------

Been reading this thread with great interest, and appreciate the posts, but

wish that when suggesting herbs that you use the official latin name somewhere

in the text also.  What may be cats claw to you in your part of the world , may

be something very different to me in this part. 



This fact was very evident lately when discussing black berries (Rubus) online

with a friend.   She calls them "bearberries", however there is a plant called 

bearberry (Arctostaphylos uva-ursi).  I'm not sure we ever got it straight.



CRD





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Subject: Delaying Menstruation

From: sfilson@mci2000.com

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 03:11:10 GMT

--------

I'm researching herbal concoctions that would aid a woman in delaying the

start of her menses - I know there were herbs that could cause abortion or

slow bleeding....any help is appreciated.



Please reply via private e-mail



Thanks in advance!



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Subject: GNC Ginsing Gold capsules.  What is doing for me?

From: Darren Nemeth <dnemeth01@sprynet.com>

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:57:54 -0400

--------

Hello, all,  :)



This is the first time that I have posted at this NG about the

facinating area of herbs.



I have a question;  For the past year I have been taking Ginseng

capsules that I got at General Nutrition Center.  Their product is

called "Ginsing Gold."  According to the lable it contains Korean and

American White Ginsing and Siberian Ginsing powder.  Aside from the

benifit of being more alert and energetic I want to know if there are

other things that Ginsing does for me that I do not notice.



Is there a more potent Ginsing product out there that is more

economical?



Can any one help?



Please E-mail as I do not visit here often, but plan to regulary in the

future.



Have a nice day,  :)







Darren Nemeth









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Subject: Any good boks on herbs out there?

From: Darren Nemeth <dnemeth01@sprynet.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:07:59 -0400

--------

Hello, all, :)



I am new to herbal medicines and am wondering if anyone can help me out.



I am looking for a book about herbs and the medicinal benifits that they

incurr in people.

Something serious not about fairys and gnolms but a book that I can

easily access information from that is intelligent and comprehensive.



Any help is appreciated please post and E-mail me, if you like. :)



--

Have a nice day,  :)







Darren Nemeth









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Subject: Where can I get seeds for St. John's Wort?

From: Darren Nemeth <dnemeth01@sprynet.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:14:11 -0400

--------

Hello,  :)



Does anyone know where I can get seeds for St. John's Wort?  I am not

looking to start a farm just a little plot for the back yard.



How would I prepair the Wart for medicinal pourposes that would be

effective for human use?



This may be a stupid question but how would one in Michigan grow

ginsing?



Please E-mail and post as I do not get the chance to visit here as often

as I would like.



Have a nice day,  :)







Darren Nemeth









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Subject: Re: Where can I get seeds for St. John's Wort?

From: terue1@aol.com (Terue1)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 23:16:14 GMT

--------

You can purchase the seeds from Johnny's Selected Seed. I have ordered from

them lots of times. Their seeds are very viable. You can purchase a PKT. which

is about 500 seeds for $1.60 - $2.00. You can even visit their web page at

http://www.johnnyseeds.com  . 





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Subject: Re: Where can I get seeds for St. John's Wort?

From: knots@agate.net

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 02:24:42 GMT

--------

In article <35DE4593.F8067677@sprynet.com>,

  dnemeth01@sprynet.com wrote:

> Hello,  :)

>

> Does anyone know where I can get seeds for St. John's Wort?  I am not

> looking to start a farm just a little plot for the back yard.

>

> How would I prepair the Wart for medicinal pourposes that would be

> effective for human use?

>

> This may be a stupid question but how would one in Michigan grow

> ginsing?

>

> Please E-mail and post as I do not get the chance to visit here as often

> as I would like.

>

> Have a nice day,  :)

>

> Darren Nemeth

>

>

Seeds for St.Johnswort, Hypericum perforatum, can be purchased from

Richter's, The Herb Specialists, Goodwood, Ontario Canada LoC 1Ao.

They carry an -Elixir variety which they say has higher active

constituents, hypericin and related compounds.



The top part of the plant, both the leaves and flowers should be

gathered at the peak of their bloom, and can be dried for use as a tea,

or the fresh plant may be made into an alcohol tincture for internal use

or infused in oil for topical use.



-rosemarie



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Subject: Eye Bath

From: snowflake673@juno.com (Jim E Druery)

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:33:53 -0500

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EYE WASH INF.



You will need to search hard to find a eye cup these days if you decide

to get one. We got lucky and found ours at a health food store, but never

found one at a health food store since. We have been told some pharmacies

that cater to hospitals (usually next to a hosp) sells eye cups, but we

never checked it out. These kind of pharmacies are supposed to have all

kinds of different stuff, like a neck stretcher that hangs over a door,

surgical tools, etc..

We also found another way to have one, at the large pharmacies like

Walgreens, etc., look around or ask for a eye bath solution with the eye

cup, "Bausch and Lomb" has the best one of the pharmacy chains. Just

throw the bottle of solution away and keep the cap that is the plastic

eye cup ( - :



Below is some information to help.

***********************************



Place an eyecup filled to the top with solution and do an eyewash

(approximately 1 or 2 minutes for each eye) . While doing the wash make

sure to keep the eye widely opened and rotate the eye in all directions

while bending forward over the sink, not backwards like some think. 



Since the Middle Ages, eyebright has been used as a tonic and an

astringent. It is especially useful for eyestrain, eye inflammations, and

other eye ailments. It can greatly relieve runny, sore, itchy eyes due to

colds or allergies. 



Common Use: Cataracts, eye infections, conjunctivitis, eyewash (alcohol

free extracts); Anti-inflammatory, astringent; Draws out secretions and

discharges; anticatarrhal, sinusitis. 



Decongestants - Eye Whiteners 



If an eye drop is promoted as being able to "take the red out", it

probably contains a decongestant. The redness is due to the presence of 

blood in the vessels of the eye. Decongestants constrict blood vessels

reducing the appearance of redness, they may also be absorbed into the

body. 

Preservatives are included in some formulations and can cause eye

irritation. 



* Boric acid is very useful as an eye wash. Using an eye cup, the cup

must be meticulously cleaned to avoid bacteria from the cup getting into

the eye. 

To make a solution, use one heaping tablespoon of boric acid to a pint of

boiled water. Stirred and set aside to cool. Don't add anything to the

water while it is boiling. Once it starts boiling, take the water from

the stove then add the ingredients. You can also add a heaping tablespoon

of chamomile flowers, or Goldenseal root, to the boiled water "optional".

 Boric acid is sold at many pharmacies in 4 oz bottles costing less than

a couple of dollars and it goes a

long, long way. Strain the cooled solution through a typical plastic

coffee filter into a bottle and leave it in the refrigerator until you

want to use it. By doubling up on the ingredients, we found the solution

can be warmed up with a little hot water on a fly without diluting the

solution too much.



*  Some herbs people use for EYE WASH 



Back to Eden by Jethro Kloss and The Herb Book by John lust has excellent

and useful eye wash recipes, etc.. 



eyebright, borage flowers, golden seal root, red raspberry leaves, 

chamomile flowers, and rosemary, plantain, etc.. 



Strain and cool for a few minutes before using in the eyes.

Note; It is best to make up the eyebright and use right away each time,

you can't make this up and store back for later use. 



Making the eyewash please be very clean about it, wash your hands, use

good clean water, make sure the tea is well strained. A plastic coffee

filter is very simple, practical and can be reused for straining. 





* A mild decoction of anise seed can be used as a gentle eyewash, bring 1

cup water to a boil, add 1/2 tsp. of crushed anise (or fennel) seeds,

boil 3 more minutes, strain out the seeds, and use (after it cools, of

course).



* EYEBRIGHT



This herb is specific for eye disorders, used for 

weak and tired eyes, failing vision, inflammation, 

conjunctivitis, ulcers, and eye strain. It strengthens 

the eyes and promotes elasticity of the nerves and 

optical light devices. It is especially helpful for sore, 

itchy eyes that have discharge. May be used internally 

or externally as an eyewash or compress. Eyebright 

stimulates the liver and helps to renew the blood; thus, 

allaying conditions that result in unclear vision and 

confused thought. As an antiseptic it helps with

infections of the eyes. This herb is also used for nasal 

congestion and catarrh, especially with a watery nasal 

discharge. Used as a mouthwash or gargle for inflamed 

and sore throats. Other indications: hayfever, colds 

and measles with these symptoms. Eyebright has an 

abundance of vitamins A and C.



* Eyebright



 ---History---The name Euphrasia is of Greek origin, derived from

Euphrosyne (gladness), the name of one of the three graces who was

distinguished for her joy and mirth, and it is thought to have been given

the plant from the valuable properties attributed to it as an eye

medicine preserving eyesight and so bringing gladness into the life of

the sufferer. The same Greek word is also given to the linnet, whence

another old tradition says that it was the linnet who first made use of

the leaf for clearing the sight of its young and who then passed on the

knowledge to mankind, who named the plant in its honour. 



Although always known under a name of Greek origin, the herb seems to

have been unnoticed by the ancients and no mention of it is made by

Dioscorides, Pliny, Galen or even by the Arabian physicians. In the

fourteenth century, however, it was supposed to cure 'all evils of the

eye' and is described as the source of 'a precious water to clear a man's

sight.' Matthaeus Sylvaticus, a physician of Mantua, who lived about the

year 1329, recommended this plant in disorders of the eyes and Arnoldus

Villanovanus, who died in 1313, was the author of a treatise on its

virtues, Vini Euphrasiati tantopere celebrati. How long before Euphrasia

was in repute for eye diseases it is impossible to say, but in Gordon's

Liticium Medicina, 1305, among the medicines for the eyes, Euphragia is

named 'and is recommended both outwardly in a compound distilled water

and inwardly as a syrup.' Euphragia is not, however, mentioned in the

Schola Salernitana, compiled about 1100. 



Markham (Countrie Farm, 1616) says: 'Drinke everie morning a small

draught of Eyebright wine.' In the eighteenth century Eyebright tea was

used, and in Queen Elizabeth's time there was a kind of ale called

'Eyebright Ale.' 



Eyebright, says Salmon (Syn. Med., 1671), strengthens the head, eyes and

memory and clears the sight. 



Euphrasia was regarded as a specific in diseases of the eyes by the great

herbalists of the sixteenth century, Tragus, Fuchsius, Dodoens, etc., and

has been a popular remedy in most countries. 



The French call it Casse-lunette, the Germans Augentrst (consolation of

the eyes). 



It was the Euphrasy of Spenser, Milton and other poets. Milton relates

how the Archangel Michael ministered to Adam after the Fall: 



' . . . to nobler sights 

Michael from Adam's eyes the film removed, 

Then purged with euphrasine and rue 

His visual orbs, for he had much to see.' 





It is probable that the belief in its value as an eye medicine originated

in the old Doctrine of Signatures, for as an old writer points out- 



'the purple and yellow spots and stripeswhich are upon the flowers of the

Eyebright doth very much resemble the diseases of the eye, as bloodshot,

etc., by which signature it hath been found out that this herb is

effectual for the curing of the same.' 



---Part Used---A fluid extract is prepared from the plant in the fresh

state, gathered when in flower, and cut off just above the root. 



Euphrasia is best collected in July and August, when in full flower and

the foliage in the best condition. 



* -Medicinal Action and Uses---Slightly tonic and astringent. 



Although neglected nowadays by the faculty, modern herbalists still

retain faith in this herb and recommend its use in diseases of the sight,

weakness of the eyes, ophthalmia, etc., combining it often with Golden

Seal in a lotion stated to be excellent for general disorders of the

eyes. The juice obtained by expression from the plant in the fresh state

is sometimes employed, or an infusion in milk, but the simple infusion in

water is the more usual form in which it is applied. An infusion of 1 OZ.

of the herb to a pint of boiling water should be used and the eyes bathed

three or four times a day. When there is much pain, it is considered

desirable to use a warm infusion rather more frequently for inflamed eyes

till the pain is removed. In ordinary cases, the cold application is

found sufficient. 



In Iceland, the expressed juice is used for most ailments of the eye, and

in Scotland the Highlanders make an infusion of the herb in milk and

anoint weak or inflamed eyes with a feather dipped in it. 



The dried herb is an ingredient in British Herbal Tobacco, which is

smoked most usefully for chronic bronchial colds. 



Homoeopathists hold that Eyebright belongs to the order of

scrofula-curing plants, and Dr. Fernie tells us that it has recently been

found by experiment: 



'to possess a distinct sphere of curative operation, within which it

manifests virtues which are as unvarying as they are potential. It acts

specifically on the mucous lining of the eyes and nose and the upper part

of the throat to the top of the windpipe, causing when given so largely

as to be injurious, a profuse secretion from these parts; if given of

reduced strength, it cures the troublesome symptoms due to catarrh. Hay

Fever, and acute attacks of cold in the head may be checked by an

immediate dose of the infusion repeated every two hours. A medicinal

tincture is prepared from the whole plant with spirits of wine, of which

a lotion is made with rose-water, for simple inflammation of the eyes.

Thirty drops of the tincture should be mixed with a wineglassful of

rose-water for making this lotion, which may be used several times a

day.' 



'A Marvelous Water to Preserve the Sight. 

'Take the leaves of red roses, mints, sage,maidenhaire (or leave out sage

and mint and take eyebright and vervin), bittony, such of the mountain,

and endive, of each 6 handfuls: steep them in Whitewine 24 hours: then

distill them in Alimpeck; the first water is like silver, the second like

gold, the third like balme; keep it close in glasses. 



It helps all diseases of the eye.



Gerard said that the powder of the Eyebright herb, mixed with mace,

'comforteth the memorie, Culpepper says: 



'If the herb was but as much used as it is neglected, it would half spoil

the spectacle maker's trade and a man would think that reason should

teach people to prefer the preservation of their natural before

artificial spectacles, which that they may be instructed how to do, take

the virtues of Eyebright as followeth: The juice or distilled water of

the Eyebright taken inwardly in white wine, or broth, or dropped into the

eyes for several days together helpeth all infirmities of the eye that

cause dimness of sight. Some make conserve of the flowers to the same

effect. Being used any of the ways, it strengthens the week brain or

memory. This tunned with strong beer that it may work together and drunk,

or the powder of the dried herb mixed with sugar, a little mace, fennel

seed and drunk, or eaten in broth; or the said powder made into an

electuary with sugar and taken, hath the same powerful effect to help and

restore the sight decayed through age and Arnoldus de Villa Nova saith it

hath restored sight to them that have been blind a long time.' 



This is another eye lotion of Culpepper: 

'An Excellent Water to Clear the Sight. 

'Take of Fennel, Eyebright, Roses, white Celandine, Vervain and Rue, of

each a handful, the liver of a Goat chopt small, infuse them well in

Eyebright Water, then distil them in an alembic, and you shall have a

water will clear the sight beyond comparison.' 



Hildamus also firmly believed that Eyebright would restore the sight of

many persons at the age of seventy or eighty years! 



Many of the older herbalists describe a 'Red-flowered Eyebright,' which,

however, is no longer considered another species of Euphrasia, but

regarded as a very closely allied plant. Linnaeus himself, though he

afterwards made a new genus, Bartsia, for it, called it Euphrasia, both

in his Flora Suecia, his monograph on the flora of Sweden, that appeared

in 1755, and in his great work, Systema Vegetabilium, published in 1784.

Later, however, he named it after his friend Dr. Johann Bartsch of

Knigsberg. 



* Eyebright was used primary in the middle ages as a tonic because of its

astringent properties. However, today Eyebright is used more frequently

for relieving eye problems such as eye strain, pink eye and inflamed,

irritated and sore eyes. Eyebright's antibiotic and astringent <Picture>

properties tighten membranes and mucus surrounding the eyes, effectively

strengthening and improving circulation. 



Rich in vitamins A and C, Eyebright also contains tannins that are

beneficial for reducing inflammation. Astringent properties found in

Eyebright make it ideal for relieving excess mucus and infectious

conditions generally associated with sinusitis allergies, colds and upper

respiratory problems. 



Eyebright has recently been used for cleansing and purifying the blood,

therefore stimulating healthy liver functions. 



Take two capsules three times a day with food. 



* Eyebright has been used since the middle ages as a tonic and as an

astringent. It is said to be especially useful for weak eyesight, eye

inflammations and other eye ailments, and to bring relief to sore runny

eyes due to allergies or colds. Eyebright is also used to treat hay fever

as it shrinks swollen sinuses. 



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Subject: Re: Eye Bath

From: jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie)

Date: 23 Aug 98 21:15:07 GMT

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Jim E Druery <snowflake673@juno.com> wrote:

>We also found another way to have one, at the large pharmacies like

>Walgreens, etc., look around or ask for a eye bath solution with the eye

>cup, "Bausch and Lomb" has the best one of the pharmacy chains. Just

>throw the bottle of solution away and keep the cap that is the plastic

>eye cup ( - :



>* Boric acid is very useful as an eye wash. Using an eye cup, the cup

>must be meticulously cleaned to avoid bacteria from the cup getting into

>the eye. 

>To make a solution, 



I must have missed something.  What is the point of throwing away

the sterile boric acid solution that comes with the eye cup and

then making non-sterile boric acid solution?



-- 

  jamie  (mjw@wans.net)



  		"There's a seeker born every minute."





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Subject: Re: Eye Bath

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:06:21 GMT

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On 23 Aug 98 21:15:07 GMT, jamie@bozo.local.net (jamie) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>>We also found another way to have one, at the large pharmacies like

>>Walgreens, etc., look around or ask for a eye bath solution with the eye

>>cup, "Bausch and Lomb" has the best one of the pharmacy chains. Just

>>throw the bottle of solution away and keep the cap that is the plastic

>>eye cup ( - :

>

>>* Boric acid is very useful as an eye wash. Using an eye cup, the cup

>>must be meticulously cleaned to avoid bacteria from the cup getting into

>>the eye. 

>>To make a solution, 

>

>I must have missed something.  What is the point of throwing away

>the sterile boric acid solution that comes with the eye cup and

>then making non-sterile boric acid solution?



Perhaps you need to make a non-sterile boric acid solution when you use your

cognac glass instead of buying an eye cup? 



Anyways, infusions etc you use in your eye should be used as soon as they are

cool enough, and never be stored for re-use - make a new batch every time. You

don't want to introduce unfriendlies into an eye that's already irritated (why

else would you eyecup it?). I can't say about boric whatever as I haven't use

that.



Sterilizing a cognac glass should be easy - boil it for a couple hours, or keep

it in the oven at 200 deg.C for a while. Just like sterilizing bottles you use

for juice, or jars for jam.



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: Hallusinigenics?

From: Darren Nemeth <dnemeth01@sprynet.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 00:34:55 -0400

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Pardon my header but I do not know how to spell halusinetics, the

substance that makes one hallusiniate (mispelled).



My friend says that he ate some muchrooms that looked like a penis which

she got from the front yard while she was taking St. John's Wort and

said she obtained some extremely disturbing hallusisinations (mispelled)

from it and never did it again.  Is this true or was she putting me on?

She always seemed to be "full of it" but sometimes she makes me wonder.



I am serious and this is not a "troll" post.



Have a nice day,  :)







Darren Nemeth









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Subject: Re: Hallusinigenics?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 13:03:15 GMT

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Darren Nemeth <dnemeth01@sprynet.com> wrote:





>My friend says that he ate some muchrooms that looked like a penis which

>she got from the front yard while she was taking St. John's Wort and

>said she obtained some extremely disturbing hallusisinations 



  Most toxic mushrooms are also hallucinogenic ... she's lucky

she didn't kill herself or suffer serious liver and kidney damage

from them.

Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





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Subject: Re: Hallusinigenics?

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 22:05:43 -0700

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I agree totally!  The mushrooms you describe here are probablly deadly stay

clear of them!

Sparrow

HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow



Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <35e2c143.1901262@news.primenet.com>...

>Darren Nemeth <dnemeth01@sprynet.com> wrote:

>

>

>>My friend says that he ate some muchrooms that looked like a penis which

>>she got from the front yard while she was taking St. John's Wort and

>>said she obtained some extremely disturbing hallusisinations

>

>  Most toxic mushrooms are also hallucinogenic ... she's lucky

>she didn't kill herself or suffer serious liver and kidney damage

>from them.

>Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.









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Subject: Nasal Bath

From: snowflake673@juno.com (Jim E Druery)

Date: Fri, 21 Aug 1998 23:38:19 -0500

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No liability or warranty, express or implied, is assumed by the author or

any distributor of this antique re-print. 

The graphics have been ommited. Historical Research Information only. 

For more information to obtain other text files in our library, contact

us at red673@juno.com. Thank you for your interest and help preserving

this rare re-search information for all time. 

Now the legal stuff is out of the way....... here goes.

******************************************



NASAL WASH OR IRRIGATION



Years of accumulation of dust in the air, bacteria, dust mites, etc. can

cause real havoc to the sinuses. I have seen many people with terrible

sinus infections wash away some pretty gross looking stuff especially

after 10 - 30 years of accumulation. I was told by every one of them they

tried everything on the shelf for temporary relief all that time. 

One boy was bitten on the nose badly when he was very very young. He was

squirting some over the counter antibiotic jelly in his nose every time

he had a nose bleed for lubrication and to help fight infections for

years. After a few nasal washes getting all the gross stuff out of his

sinuses, he bled terrible. This was his healing crises. He just uses a

gentle nasal wash each month whether he thinks he needs it or not. His

problem has been solved ever since. After seeing all the gross stuff come

out of his sinus for a week, he won't even think about using any of the

sprays and drugs available off the shelf anymore.



WHY WASH THE SINUSES



Many people with medical conditions such as asthma and various

respiratory conditions usually have nasal and sinus problems. Most people

that are healthy have sinus problems and don't even realize this.

Drainage from your sinuses can drain into the back of your throat into

your stomach and lungs, etc. while you sleep making things worse over

time. You can actually have bacteria fermenting in the cavities bottoms

of your sinus from childhood. This can be safely, gently, and simply

washed away using a nasal wash consisting of common non iodized salt

(preferably sea salt or canning salt) and clean water. For years I have

used salt water in a nose drop bottle with success too, but nothing like

this irrigator I discovered.





TWO SIMPLE WAYS



This technique is not a new fad. Hundreds of years ago people practiced

Nasal Washing using a device called a Nettie Pot and still do with

excellent results. Send for the antique picture from the 1800's showing a

very simple gravity flow device commonly used back then. Also at the very

bottom of this page is a link to see a very nice web site that has a good

picture of the tip that fits on a water pik. This Water Pik Machine way

is very convenient and probably the simplest to use. The water gently

flows in one nostril and gently flows out the other, repeating each

nostril back and forth as the quart of water is flowing through your

device. It is actually that simple. 

There is an excellent newsgroup called alt.support.sinusitis for lots of

useful ideas too.



THE RECIPE WE USE



For either device we use the same recipe from the 1800' Herb book, "a

tablespoon salt to a quart of warm water". The book also states

everything is cleaned before and after thoroughly with grain alcohol. We

found Listerine very handy for this purpose. We also use non iodized

canning or sea salt. However, we have tried common non iodized table salt

with good results too. Some people like to add a pinch of baking soda for

each quart of the nasal wash "salt water". Also some like to use a weak

solution of Clorox water or 70 percent isopropyl (rubbing) alcohol or

white, distilled vinegar to clean up all the equipment before and after

each use. We found the Listerine and soap and water to be a very handy

alternative for all this clean up, period. Flushing all the equipment a

couple of times before and after each use should be plenty. Please make

sure you make up fresh solutions each time. I always gargle each time I

do a nasal wash with a strong Herb tea or salt water for added benefit.

For babies and small children, consider filling a common nose drops

bottle with this salt water solution added and use a common bulb syringe

to suction the mucus from your baby's nose. Repeat the this same

procedure with each nostril.

For children who can blow their own nose consider just using a common

nasal spray bottle of this salt water solution.

We have tried various herbs for the solution, but always went back to

this original recipe from the 1800's. 

 All of this is something you will have to discuss with others on the

"alt.support.sinusitis" newsgroup before making your own decisions. You

can learn other handy tips that work for you too.



MAKE YOUR OWN GRAVITY FLOW DEVICE



The way we found to make ours from a picture we found from the 1800's, is

to visit the larger  hardware stores for all these inexpensive parts.

This consists of  common 3/16" x  5/16" x 10' of vynal non toxic clear

P.V.C. tubing and a fitting for the end of tube about the size of a

marble with a hole through it. We found a plastic fitting right beside

the tubing that slipped into it that was threaded. This fitting fits on

the outside of each nostril only. We use a plastic quart tupper type jar

with with a plastic lid. This is what also we store everything in when we

are not using it. 



NASAL WASH EXPERIENCES



This all depends on how raw your sinuses actually is from all the years

of accumulation and unknown abuse. For some of you this may be a very

painful experience your first time because the sinuses may be inflamed

terribly without you even knowing it. You might have just gotten used to

it over the years. I don't suffer any problems with this as we do this

once or twice a month. My first time was painful and gross because of

twenty years of accumulations. A week later my sinuses were completely

healed for the first time in my life. From then on, it was not even

uncomfortable to do a nasal wash. But I knew I had to go through this if

I wanted to enjoy clean and healed sinuses. Boy some of the gross stuff I

have seen come out of other peoples sinuses, it was no wonder they were

sick all the time. I have even seen blood come out because of some

parasite or muckle bessom they knocked loose. YUK !! After that, they

were fine, their sinuses was able to flow naturally and still thank me to

this day for giving them this opportunity. 







The web site for the water pik attachment and a picture of it if you want

to do that is

http://www.entconsult.com

e-mail  hydromed@westworld.com

The support newsgroup is alt.support.sinusitis

Excellent salt article from this website;

http://www.healthfree.com/celtic/seasalt1.htm



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Subject: Large Pores. Herbal help?

From: Film-man@film.com (Neuron)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:38:05 GMT

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Does anyone know of herbs

that can solve this problem.



External application and/or internal consumption



either application...



May happiness fill you...



Komedy





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Subject: Ritchers

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 12:04:18 GMT

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Does anyone have Ritchers snail (regular) address? If so, please also send to

author if you post to group. Thank you. 



<3

Pari







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Subject: Re: Kava Kava with St. John's Wort?

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 12:19:31 GMT

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I can't say for certain they should not be taken together, but my understanding

is that in the beginning, they SHOULD be taken together. The reason for this is

that with St Johns Wort it takes about 4 weeks for the full effects to kick in,

so to take kava kava with it to calm you at first. 50/50 is what I had learned.

After 4 or 6 weeks, if you want to you could discontinue the kava kava, as they

effects of the St Johns Wort will be raising your serotonin levels by that

time. High serotonin levels means happy person. :)



<3

Pari. 







<3

Pari





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Subject: Ritalin

From: "Kahara" <ELAINE@madbbs.com>

Date: 22 Aug 1998 13:50:23 GMT

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Greetings,  One of my steady customers at work had told me that the doctors

would like to put his on ritalin. Mr Wess is a single parent and is

nervouse about this drug. Mr Wess tells me that his son gets bored very

easily. What herbs might he be able to use to  help his son? Please help

              Thank You Elaine





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Subject: Re: Ritalin

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 17:54:48 GMT

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On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 08:50:23 -0500, "Kahara" <ELAINE@madbbs.com>

wrote:



>Greetings,  One of my steady customers at work had told me that the doctors

>would like to put his on ritalin. Mr Wess is a single parent and is

>nervouse about this drug. Mr Wess tells me that his son gets bored very

>easily. What herbs might he be able to use to  help his son? Please help

>              Thank You Elaine



Just a thought, but perhaps, we should put the teachers on uppers

instead of the children on downers.





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Subject: ADHD

From: "Tammy Rome" <tammy@healthyinstinct.com>

Date: 22 Aug 1998 14:54:29 GMT

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I'm doing research on alternative treatments for ADHD.  I've found a lot on

food allergies.  Can anyone point me to other or complimentary

alternatives?  Anything on nutritional supplements, chiropractic care, or

anything else you can think of will be helpful.

-- 

<><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

Tammy Rome <tammy@healthyinstinct.com>

Get healthy, stay healthy...follow your natural instincts.

<http://www.healthyinstinct.com>

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Subject: Re: ADHD

From: jbarlow@forthrt.com (Janis & David Barlow)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 01:21:08 GMT

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"Tammy Rome" <tammy@healthyinstinct.com> wrote:



>I'm doing research on alternative treatments for ADHD.  I've found a lot on

>food allergies.  Can anyone point me to other or complimentary

>alternatives?  Anything on nutritional supplements, chiropractic care, or

>anything else you can think of will be helpful.

>-- 

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>

>Tammy Rome <tammy@healthyinstinct.com>

>Get healthy, stay healthy...follow your natural instincts.

><http://www.healthyinstinct.com>

><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>



There are several good herbal supplements available designed to

support children with ADHD nutritionally.



I am most familiar with Melotone Syrup.  It's a fruit & Honey based

liquid that  provides essential nutrients such as Evening Primrose Oil

and Salmon Oil.  It also includes minerals such  as Calcium, Magnesium

and Chromium, and a wide  range of vitamins, including the B vitamins.





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Subject: Dr.Neuner

From: "ppp:tscherpe@nlnet" <tscherpenzeel@lsop.nl>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:48:04 +0200

--------

I found this fantastic ad about a doctor neuner and the ultimate way to

clean your system and lose weight at the same time at a fantastic rate. Does

anyone have any experience with this product ?



Trudie









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Subject: Re: Dr.Neuner

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:20:21 GMT

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On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 17:48:04 +0200, "ppp:tscherpe@nlnet" <tscherpenzeel@lsop.nl>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I found this fantastic ad about a doctor neuner and the ultimate way to

>clean your system and lose weight at the same time at a fantastic rate. Does

>anyone have any experience with this product ?



If it sounds too good to be true it usually is ;)



Henriette



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Subject: ADD, ADHD, Ritilin, and the like

From: parijata2@aol.com (Parijata2)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 16:17:58 GMT

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You all have my compassion. I have been reading about ADD, ADHD, Ritilin and

the like, and have info but couldn't get it together. Well, I just HAD to after

reading post after post on it. So first let me tell you I know little about it,

I just happened to run into someone who did, and I will type the info he mailed

me. 



This man who sells the stuff had a child with ADD and overcame it with herbs.

He nows sells the herbs and here is what is in it:



Ginseng, gotu kila, bee pollen, passion flower, valerian and skull cat. Gotu

kola was particulary important. That is the bottom line on it. Personally, I

woiuld also strongly, STRONGLY recommend a good high quality very natural

vitamin/mineral combo which is high in the B vitamins. Reduce sugar intake and

go vegetarian (not vegan) including foods that have B12, and yes, there are

vege foods that contain B12! I could never retype all the info he sent me, but

if you really want it, I can send you his snail mail address, though I don't

think I should put that public so e-mail me privately for it. I just hope this

helps someone as I personally beleive that in most cases Ritilin does more harm

than good and doctors would much rather drug our kids so no one has to deal

with them, rather than heal them. Good luck! 



<3

Pari







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Subject: Re: ADD, ADHD, Ritilin, and the like

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 23 Aug 1998 01:16:34 GMT

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<<I just hope this helps someone as I personally beleive that in most cases

Ritilin does more harm

than good and doctors would much rather drug our kids so no one has to deal

with them, rather than heal them. Good luck! >>

I'd also suggest RITALIN FREE KIDS by Judyth Reichenberg Ullman and Robert

Ullman. This was one of the first books to come out on alternative treatments

for Ritalin, and well supported by the Ullman's 10+ years of clinical

experience working with ADD and other learning disorders.



Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: ADD, ADHD, Ritilin, and the like

From: rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com (R. Saylor)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:51:00 GMT

--------

I don't like psychoactive drugs any more than anyone, but there is

something to be said for ritalin. 



First, the temporary use of ritalin can give additional evidence as to

whether a child really is ADHD. In an ordinary child, ritalin acts as

a powerful stimulant and makes them more hyper. If a child has

clinical ADHD, ritalin has the opposite effect. I strongly suspect

that a lot of perfectly normal children with "simple" behavioral

disorders are misdiagnosed as ADHD, and this is totally irresponsible

on the part of physicians. (Let's face it, sometimes kids are just

spoiled rotten. It may be comforting to parents to be told that their

child has a brain disorder because it relieves them of responsibility

in the matter.) Anyway, why not try ritalin for a little while just to

see what it does? 



Secondly, if ADHD is confirmed, it would probably be best to try

alternative treatments, as nutritional imbalances could certainly be

contributing factors. But if nothing else works, and ritalin does

work, it is not doing anyone a favor to withold it. That being said, a

child on ritalin should be carefully monitored to make sure that

dangerous side effects are not occurring. Moreover, proper nutrition

become even more important.



I know a lot of people are going to disagree strongly with this. I'm

just throwing it in for consideration. In this, as in everything else,

moderation and common sense, and consideration for the afflicted

individual should rule.



Richard S.









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Subject: Devils club

From: "Sally Smith" <divas@amigo.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:17:05 -0600

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Greetings,

 I am in search of the herb devils club either in bulk or tincture. If

anyone knows where I can obtain some please e-mail me Thanks in advance

        Sally Smith divas@amigo.net









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Subject: Natural Hair Color?

From: screamer@mbay.net (Screamer)

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 19:20:36 GMT

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My story:  I've been coloring my hair for 17 years.  All shades - I am

a natural dirty blond.  Currently, my hair is black, and I like it

that shade.

However, the last time I colored my hair, I had a severe allergic

reaction to the dye.



I'm looking for a natural alternative to commercial hair dye, to keep

my hair black.  Any suggestions?



Thanks







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To: screamer@biteme.com

Subject: Re: Natural Hair Color?

From: "Leticia A. Martinez" <letimartinez@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 12:55:51 +0000

--------

Try my links Page--



http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/7411/cosmetics.htm



Also, you can make a strong decoction (no metal pots) using  a combination of the following as a 

daily hair rinse--



black walnut hulls

sage

indigo

red cabbage

black henna

alder buckthorn bark

barberry leaves

black alder bark

blackberry shoots

black gum bark

blackthorn bark

plum bark

english oak bark

valley oak bark

yellow dock root



Remember to test for color and sensitivity before proceeding





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Subject: Re: Natural Hair Color?

From: "~ WindSong ~" <noweeds@weirdless.net>

Date: 23 Aug 1998 07:17:31 GMT

--------





Leticia A. Martinez <letimartinez@hotmail.com> wrote in article

<35DEBFD7.3422@hotmail.com>...

: : : Also, you can make a strong decoction (no metal pots) using  a

combination of the following as a 

: daily hair rinse--

: 

: black walnut hulls

: sage

----------long list snipped----------



I shudder to think what the items on this long list would cost and the

hassel it would be to find them all.

-- 

Carol .. 

"The real reason you can't take it with you is that it goes before you do".

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*





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Subject: Re: Natural Hair Color?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:39:27 GMT

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"~ WindSong ~" <noweeds@weirdless.net> wrote:





>I shudder to think what the items on this long list would cost and the

>hassel it would be to find them all.



  You don't need all those - the real ingredient is the "black

henna" and many beauty supply stores carry that.  "Black" henna

is a mix of henna, the red herb, and a couple of other herbs that

change its tinting properties to black.



Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





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Subject: Re: Natural Hair Color?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 19:06:13 GMT

--------

On 23 Aug 1998 07:17:31 GMT, "~ WindSong ~" <noweeds@weirdless.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Leticia A. Martinez <letimartinez@hotmail.com> wrote in article

><35DEBFD7.3422@hotmail.com>...

>: : : Also, you can make a strong decoction (no metal pots) using  a

>combination of the following as a 

>: daily hair rinse--

>: 

>: black walnut hulls

>: sage

>----------long list snipped----------

>

>I shudder to think what the items on this long list would cost and the

>hassel it would be to find them all.



Thing is, you can use -any- of them. Or perhaps any combination of them. 



It's a nice list of herbs which can condition your hair and/or change your hair

color. Try black walnut hull, green seed, leaf or bark and watch your hair turn

-black-. Sage will give it a nice sheen, but I forget if it gives color too.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Tongue Cleaning ( YUK !!!! )

From: terue1@aol.com (Terue1)

Date: 22 Aug 1998 23:08:05 GMT

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Would brushing your tongue with your toothbrush when you brush you teeth be

just as effective as a tongue scraper? 





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Subject: Re: Tongue Cleaning ( YUK !!!! )

From: "~ WindSong ~" <noweeds@weirdless.net>

Date: 23 Aug 1998 07:20:11 GMT

--------





Terue1 <terue1@aol.com> wrote in article

<1998082223080600.TAA02842@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

: Would brushing your tongue with your toothbrush when you brush you teeth

be

: just as effective as a tongue scraper? 

=====================================><>

Many people have claimed that - yes.  And using a mild mouthwash afterward

would be helpful.  Flossing also removes a lot of "crud" from your

mouth/teeth and helps your breath stay fresher longer.

-- 

Carol .. 

"The real reason you can't take it with you is that it goes before you do".

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*



: 





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Subject: Re: Tongue Cleaning ( YUK !!!! )

From: Gale Koch <gkoch@uhl.uiowa.edu>

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:18:32 -0500

--------



I used my toothbrush for years, but could never quite get all the white at 

the back of the tongue.  My dental hygienist encouraged me to try a scaper, 

since it is a hard metal edge, and not a yeilding toothbrush.  I did try 

it, and tho I don't yet use it daily (the yuk! factor), the curved shape 

does get way back on the tongue, and it pulls out lots of junk . .. even 

after brushing the tongue.



I got mine for cheaper than $9 though, and I'm sure anyone can if they 

spend a little time shopping around.  



Gale



On 22 Aug 1998, Marie B. wrote:



> Why not just use your toothbrush?  Works for me.

> 

> -- 

> Marie B.

> Proud mommy to Jessica, born May 12

> Military brat 22 years, military spouse 4 years

> 





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Subject: SJW from seed

From: lbkreuter@aol.com (Lb kreuter)

Date: 23 Aug 1998 02:11:32 GMT

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 This is my first year to grow St. Johns Wort from seed.

Planted some in partial sun, but the plants look more like a ground cover, not

at all like the SJW I've seen growing in the "wild."

The seed packed said hypericum, my question is: do all SJW start out this way?

Also it has not bloomed, is SJW considered a biennial?

  Hope someone can enlighten me.



  Herbally, Annette

Http://members.aol.com/LbKreuter





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Subject: Re: SJW from seed

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 08:27:08 GMT

--------

On 23 Aug 1998 02:11:32 GMT, lbkreuter@aol.com (Lb kreuter) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



> This is my first year to grow St. Johns Wort from seed.

>Planted some in partial sun, but the plants look more like a ground cover, not

>at all like the SJW I've seen growing in the "wild."

>The seed packed said hypericum, my question is: do all SJW start out this way?

>Also it has not bloomed, is SJW considered a biennial?



There is an ornamental Hypericum, groundcover, leaves about -this- big, flowers

about an inch and a half inches across - not too much medicinal value there.

The medicinal Hypericums give you purple color from crushed flowers, buds,

seedpods, and sometimes upper leaves. The leaves of these are less than half an

inch long, and less than half that across.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: SJW from seed

From: knots@agate.net

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 01:46:36 GMT

--------

In article <1998082302113200.WAA13829@ladder01.news.aol.com>,

  lbkreuter@aol.com (Lb kreuter) wrote:

>

>  This is my first year to grow St. Johns Wort from seed.

> Planted some in partial sun, but the plants look more like a ground cover, not

> at all like the SJW I've seen growing in the "wild."

> The seed packed said hypericum, my question is: do all SJW start out this way?

> Also it has not bloomed, is SJW considered a biennial?

>   Hope someone can enlighten me.

>

>   Herbally, Annette

> Http://members.aol.com/LbKreuter

>



I have grown SJW from seeds and my first year plants were very low growing.

It was in their second year of growth that they grew to some height- 2 to 3

feet. I have not been able to get them to bloom in their first year of

growth, but was not concerned as this is a common occurrance for plants that

are perennial.





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Subject: Herbal V (Herbal Viagra)

From: glenno7172@aol.com (GLENNO7172)

Date: 23 Aug 1998 03:25:33 GMT

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Has anyone heard of herbal viagra? I haven't had very good results with it all.

Have I been taken. It contains Yohimbe and other sex stimulating herbs all

combined in one pill. I have had no success and have used it as directed. 

Is there any other herbal remedy for impotence? Please help



Glenn





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Subject: Re: Herbal V (Herbal Viagra)

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:42:40 -0700

--------

Here is an herbal combination for impotence in men:

siberian ginseng,echinacea,saw palmetto,gotu

kola,damiana,sarsparilaa,periwinkle,garlic,capsicum,and chickweed.

If you like, I can post what each herb adds to the combo...

Good luck

Sparrow

HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow



GLENNO7172 wrote in message

<1998082303253400.XAA23942@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>Has anyone heard of herbal viagra? I haven't had very good results with it

all.

>Have I been taken. It contains Yohimbe and other sex stimulating herbs all

>combined in one pill. I have had no success and have used it as directed.

>Is there any other herbal remedy for impotence? Please help

>

>Glenn









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Subject: Re: Herbal V (Herbal Viagra)

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:29:49 GMT

--------

glenno7172@aol.com (GLENNO7172) wrote:



>Has anyone heard of herbal viagra? I haven't had very good results with it all.

>Have I been taken.

  Yes, you were "taken".



> It contains Yohimbe and other sex stimulating herbs all

>combined in one pill.

  This sort of remedy usually contains a whole lot of ingredients

to form an impressive list on the label, but seldom contains

enough of any of them to have any effect.



Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





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Subject: Weight loss herb?

From: glenno7172@aol.com (GLENNO7172)

Date: 23 Aug 1998 03:27:04 GMT

--------

Does anyone know off a good herb to help curb appetite and promote weight loss?

Please help.



Also any herbs to control arthritis and joint pain?





Glenn





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Subject: Re: Weight loss herb?

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:49:09 -0700

--------

for weight loss:

spirulina,or combo of:

chickweed,mandrake,licorice,safflower,echinacea,black walnut, gotu

kola,hawthorne,papaya,fennel,and dandelion

Please research the side effects or I can post like high blood pressure, etc

before using...

for joints and arthritis:again look at side effects of any product you use:

white oak, comfrey, mullein, blak walnut, marshmallow, queen of the meadow,

wormwood, lobelia, and scullcap



Sparrow

HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow



GLENNO7172 wrote in message

<1998082303270400.XAA06418@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Does anyone know off a good herb to help curb appetite and promote weight

loss?

>Please help.

>

>Also any herbs to control arthritis and joint pain?

>

>

>Glenn









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Subject: Re: Weight loss herb?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:53:54 GMT

--------

On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:49:09 -0700, "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:

(snip)

>spirulina,or combo of:

>chickweed, mandrake, licorice, safflower, echinacea, black walnut, gotu

>kola, hawthorn, papaya, fennel, and dandelion

(snip)

>for joints and arthritis:again look at side effects of any product you use:

>white oak, comfrey, mullein, blak walnut, marshmallow, queen of the meadow,

>wormwood, lobelia, and scullcap



You -know- that mandrake is dangerous, don't you? I can't make sense of your

formulas, they seem to be thrown together willy-nilly. Can you explain them?



Also, when you mention things like queen of the meadow you -have- to add Latin

names. There's about four different plants which are all called queen of the

meadow - unless there's more of them.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Weight loss herb?

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 14:30:30 -0700

--------

Yes, I do know that mandrake can e harmful if misused, that is why advised

research before taking.

now for the combos:

Chickweed-dissolves fat in blood vessel, potassium content helps eliminate

craving for food.

Mandrake-cleans liver, eliminates constipation, stimulates glands

Licorice-gives energy boost, counteracts stress, helps balance other herbs

Safflower-Helps produce more adrenalin, natrul insulin, digestive aid.

Echinacea-purifies blood for good feeling, lymphatic cleanser,helps in

weight loss.

Black Walnut-balances sugar levels, burns excess toxins and fatty materials

Gotu Kola- feeds the brain, energizes cells of the brain, gives strength

Hawthorne-strengthens heart, helps circulation, good for nerves and stress

Papya-calms nervous stomach, and aids digestion

Fennel-cleans mucous membranes of intestinal tract, and removes wast from

body

Dandelion-strengthens liver, helps in water retention and destroys acids



white oak,helps in reducing capillary fragility, high b12,calcium,and

minerals

 comfrey, strengthens skeleton, helps in calcium and phosphorus balance

mullein, nourishes and strengthens the lungs, calms the nerves, aids in

keeping the glands and lymphatic system in good condition, high in iron,

magnesium, potassium and sulfur

blak walnut,high in protein,contains silica,antiseptic,healing to the system

 marshmallow,rich in calcium, acts as a diuretic, tonic and soothing to the

nerves

 queen of the meadow,(eupatorium purpureum)-useful for all problems of

joints, tonic, contains vitamins a and d

>wormwood, helps in digestion of protein and fat, contains b complex and

vitamin c

lobelia, healing powers with ability to remove congestion in blood vessels

and scullcap-strenthens the nerves, high in calcium, potassium, and

magnesium



I do hope this helps you to better understand the formulas here.

Henriette Kress wrote in message <35e24887.34796429@news.eunet.fi>...

>On Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:49:09 -0700, "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net> wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>(snip)

>>spirulina,or combo of:

>>chickweed, mandrake, licorice, safflower, echinacea, black walnut, gotu

>>kola, hawthorn, papaya, fennel, and dandelion

>(snip)

>>for joints and arthritis:again look at side effects of any product you

use:

>>white oak, comfrey, mullein, blak walnut, marshmallow, queen of the

meadow,

>>wormwood, lobelia, and scullcap

>

>You -know- that mandrake is dangerous, don't you? I can't make sense of

your

>formulas, they seem to be thrown together willy-nilly. Can you explain

them?

>

>Also, when you mention things like queen of the meadow you -have- to add

Latin

>names. There's about four different plants which are all called queen of

the

>meadow - unless there's more of them.

>

>Henriette

>

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Subject: Re: Weight loss herb?

From: Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 00:17:02 -0700

--------

My knowledge of herbs is pretty limited.

But I came across a Chinese herb you

might find useful for weight loss. It is called

"Du Zhong." A short article on Du Zhong

can be found at the following address:



http://www.herb.com/euco.html









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Subject: Mugwort or not?

From: Bahwi <bahwi@technologist.com>

Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:21:24 -0500

--------

I was in Brenham Texas earlier today, and went to a resteraunt with my

family. The resteraunt had a lawn with a lot of weeds, I looked at them

and many of them looked like Mugwort, but thinner and more compact than

my current Mugwort plant and smells slightly different, but that lawn is

mowed alot so that is why they are pretty short. I'm going to try and

bring them back to life(they had a fun ride in the car) and see what

they look like. Would this be Mugwort or not? It smells almost exactly

like it, but I'm not sure if it is exactly like it as my nose isn't that

good. By the way, if I did I got about 10 of them and left a lawn full

of it. No one noticed me picking weeds, but I did feel weird. If it is

I'll be up there real soon. Thanks.

Please private e-mail me or CC: me or just send it to the list.



-bahwi





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Subject: Re: Tongue Cleaning scams & spams

From: "Yarrow" <noweeds@weirdless.net>

Date: 23 Aug 1998 06:34:46 GMT

--------



: Why not just use your toothbrush?  Works for me.

: 

: Marie B.

: Proud mommy to Jessica, born May 12

: Military brat 22 years, military spouse 4 years

: =========================================><>

 They wont make their $$$ on recommending you use your toothbrush or the

back edge of a knife.

-- 

Carol .. 

"The real reason you can't take it with you is that it goes before you do".

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*







==========

Subject: Re: VIAGRA NOT!  This is Spam.

From: "Yarrow" <noweeds@weirdless.net>

Date: 23 Aug 1998 07:53:38 GMT

--------





bizygal@hotmail.com wrote in article <6rbo42$ola$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

: Dear Donna,

: : I posted here at Deja News to tell others of this remarkable (natural)

: alternative to Viagra, but it seems that people here think I am trying to

sell

: something???  

: =============================><>

Everyone is now selling products to the impotent and suffering. 

Bloodsuckers one and all.  These products do NOT work.  If they did the

whole world would know just as it did when Viagra came out.  Buy your meds

locally and avoid the net scammers.

-- 

Carol .. 

"The real reason you can't take it with you is that it goes before you do".

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*









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Subject: Re: Damiana: Poor man's V

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 13:37:36 GMT

--------

George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY> wrote:



>abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)  wrote:

>TDN> "DAMIANA is a natural herb used for centuries by natives

>TDN> world-wide as a sex stimulant and folk cure for IMPOTENCE."

>

>TDN> And your price SUCKS!  "100 capsules only $39.95 plus $3.00

>TDN> shipping and handling" ... when it sells as a loose herb for

>TDN> 1/10th the cost at much higher quality, and even at places like

>TDN> Hi-Health for $7.49 a capsule, same size, adequate quality.

>TDN> Can we say "rip-off", "overpriced", and

>

>     Question:  Where is Hi-Health located?  And do they have an

>     order phone line number

      1-800-266-2323 if you are housebound.  And that was $7.49 a

BOTTLE of 100, not capsule.

   

   It's a national chain of stores, probably as close as your

nearest shopping mall.  Look in the yellow pages under "health

food" or "health & diet food products" and you'll find them.

Also carrying Damiana ... the health food chain General Nutrition

Centers, as well as most drugstores, WalMart, KMART, etc.

Of the major brands, "Nature's Sunshine" and "Tibet Mountain" are

the best.

  Your best bet is to buy it in bulk from a small herb store

(Smell the herb - it should have a strong, spicy smell.  Look at

the herb - it should be mostly grey, fuzzy leaves with few stems,

no flowers) and make a tea from it.  You'll get higher quality

and lower cost.  



Tsu Dho Nimh



Everyone needs a hobby and mine is reporting spam.





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Subject: St. John's Wort/side effects?

From: KCbear87@webtv.net (george patrelakis)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:52:57 -0400 (EDT)

--------

I've been taking St. John's Wort for the last two months(along with a

regular vitamin,and a vitamin E), for my PMS.  It has definitely helped. 

My friend, who is a nurse, said that she'd been talking with her

co-workers, and that there maybe side effects (liver or kidney) I'm not

sure.  

My doctor knows, and said that's fine.  Has there been any information

recently on the side effects ? Thank you.













==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort/side effects?

From: rlsaylor@ix.netcom.com (R. Saylor)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:03:23 GMT

--------

On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 10:52:57 -0400 (EDT), KCbear87@webtv.net (george

patrelakis) wrote:



>I've been taking St. John's Wort for the last two months(along with a

>regular vitamin,and a vitamin E), for my PMS.  It has definitely helped. 

>My friend, who is a nurse, said that she'd been talking with her

>co-workers, and that there maybe side effects (liver or kidney) I'm not

>sure.  

>My doctor knows, and said that's fine.  Has there been any information

>recently on the side effects ? Thank you.

>



The only thing I recall reading is that it may increase the skin's

sensitivity to UV, so you should use a good sunscreen if you are going

to be out in the sun a lot. Taking vitamin E and other antioxidants

should help in this respect.



Richard S.







==========

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort/side effects?

From: netdancer2@my-dejanews.com

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:54:01 GMT

--------

In article <7310-35E02CC9-20@newsd-113.bryant.webtv.net>,

  KCbear87@webtv.net (george patrelakis) wrote:

> I've been taking St. John's Wort for the last two months(along with a

> regular vitamin,and a vitamin E), for my PMS.  It has definitely helped.

> My friend, who is a nurse, said that she'd been talking with her

> co-workers, and that there maybe side effects (liver or kidney) I'm not

> sure.

> My doctor knows, and said that's fine.  Has there been any information

> recently on the side effects ? Thank you.





The only side effect I'm aware of is that it can make your eyes -very-

sensitive to light. (Annoyingly so, but not so bad that the side effect

negates how much better one feels, in my opinion.)



The other think I know for sure is to never mix it with drugs like Zoloft.



Kennet



--

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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort/side effects?

From: bentl3y@hotmail.com

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 12:46:25 GMT

--------

In article <7310-35E02CC9-20@newsd-113.bryant.webtv.net>,

  KCbear87@webtv.net (george patrelakis) wrote:

> I've been taking St. John's Wort for the last two months(along with a

> regular vitamin,and a vitamin E), for my PMS.  It has definitely helped.

> My friend, who is a nurse, said that she'd been talking with her

> co-workers, and that there maybe side effects (liver or kidney) I'm not

> sure.

> My doctor knows, and said that's fine.  Has there been any information

> recently on the side effects ? Thank you.

>

>



Increased sensitivity to sunlight is the only side effect I've actually

encountered from St. John's Wort. It is a Monoamine Oxidase inhibitor,

however, (or rather the chemical hypericin, which members of the goat's beard

family contain)and many synthetic drugs of that class have dangerous side

effects such as increases in blood pressure and liver damage. But I don't

know of St. John's wort ever effecting anyone that way, and I've given it to

lots of people.



Bentley





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Subject: Re: St. John's Wort/side effects?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 25 Aug 1998 04:43:46 GMT

--------

<<Increased sensitivity to sunlight is the only side effect I've actually

encountered from St. John's Wort. It is a Monoamine Oxidase inhibitor,

however, (or rather the chemical hypericin, which members of the goat's beard

family contain)and many synthetic drugs of that class have dangerous side

effects such as increases in blood pressure and liver damage.>>

Most of the side effects listed for SJW are extrapolated from its

classification as an MOI, rather than from observed side-effects (the

sensitivity to sunlight being the exception). Like most herbs, if you're

experiencing nausea or headaches when taking it, you're either taking too much

or you may be having an allergic reaction.



If you're going to be taking it for long periods of time, you might want to do

a little reading on the subject. I'm certain that your library probably has a

book on the topic (there's been several released in the past couple of years).

I like Steve Bratman's book, mostly because it's short and to the point, but

all of them go into great detail on potential side-effects, contraindications,

and potential interactions with medications. Rosenthal, who did a great book on

seasonal affective disorder (SAD), just released a book on SJW.



For PMS, I've been taking milk thistle for years. It has no known side effects,

is actually good for your liver, and works better than SJW for me.





Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: Herbal Medicine reference CD-ROM

From: picolat@geocities.com (LAM)

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:39:15 GMT

--------

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Subject: Sore and painful

From: al@1stnetusa.com

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:56:47 GMT

--------

My lip started out dry and chappy weeks ago.  I don't know why it's not

healing. It grew worse and worse each day.. the skin on the lip is peeling

into flakes, I have blisters and the surface (above my lip area) feels like

sandpaper.  It hurts a lot!



Could it be that I'm lacking vitamins and becoming dehydrated?



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Subject: Re: Sore and painful

From: "Elaine" <mdoub@removethisearthlink.net>

Date: 23 Aug 1998 20:22:36 GMT

--------

Sounds like you are having an outbreak of herpes (coldsore). I take

L-lysine, almost daily, to help prevent and hasten healing. Keep your hands

away from your and other's eyes, mouth and nose during an outbreak. Herpes

can be spread! Vitamins C and E help too. I find stress and/or illness

cause my outbreaks. A Doc can confirm herpes during an active outbreak. 

-- 

Elaine    

Remove 'removethis' to email.



al@1stnetusa.com wrote in article <6rpolf$hk1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

> My lip started out dry and chappy weeks ago.  I don't know why it's not

> healing. It grew worse and worse each day.. the skin on the lip is

peeling

> into flakes, I have blisters and the surface (above my lip area) feels

like

> sandpaper.  It hurts a lot!

> Could it be that I'm lacking vitamins and becoming dehydrated?

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==========

Subject: Re: Sore and painful

From: "Albatross" <huggers@es.co.nz>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 12:30:50 +1200

--------

It sounds very much like Cold sores - if you are seeking a natural solution

that really works have a look at   Simply Essential   http://www.huggers.com

great moisturizer too!





al@1stnetusa.com wrote in message <6rpolf$hk1$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>My lip started out dry and chappy weeks ago.  I don't know why it's not

>healing. It grew worse and worse each day.. the skin on the lip is peeling

>into flakes, I have blisters and the surface (above my lip area) feels like

>sandpaper.  It hurts a lot!

>

>Could it be that I'm lacking vitamins and becoming dehydrated?

>

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Subject: Drusen

From: Karl <Karl@hicom.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 18:27:46 -0400

--------

Hi there,

My cousin was just told he has Drusen Disease.  That is where there are

calcium deposits on the optic nerve.  The doctors say there is no cure. 

I was hoping there might be a herbal cure or atleast a why to slow it

down before he goes blind.  Thanks for your help...Karl





==========

Subject: Information on gotu kola?

From: "King_Natas" <king_natas@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:03:32 -0700

--------

Hello all,



I've been hearing some great things about gotu kola... as far as it being a

memory enhancer, and being helpful for reducing stress... one other benefit

i've heard about, and the one i'm most concerned with is that gotu kola is

(this is what i've heard) excellent at flushing toxins out of the body,

and/or liver...  i am a normal "herb" smoker, and i've been advised that

geting toxins out of the body will make it so when i smoke my "herb" agian

the euphoria will be more intense than normal, for the fact that my body

wouldn't have much thc in it... kinda like instead of building tolerence

towards the "herb", gotu kola would make it so i keep a low tolerence to

"herbs", becuase it flushes me out....



can someone tell me there experiences with Gotu Kola? and maybe help answer

me the flushing properties of gotu kola.... am i on the right track or has

someone led me astray ... please help... need more info... :)



either post your replys to this message board, or send me an e-mail at

king_natas@hotmail.com...



thanks!



king_natas@hotmail.com









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Subject: Re: Information on gotu kola?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 11:16:29 GMT

--------

On Sun, 23 Aug 1998 16:03:32 -0700, "King_Natas" <king_natas@hotmail.com> wrote

in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I've been hearing some great things about gotu kola... as far as it being a

>memory enhancer, and being helpful for reducing stress... one other benefit

>i've heard about, and the one i'm most concerned with is that gotu kola is

>(this is what i've heard) excellent at flushing toxins out of the body,



Nope, that it doesn't do. Try dandelion tea; leaf is a stronger diuretic than

the root; or try burdock tea, same comment as for dandelion.



Henriette





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Subject: help for a friend

From: Katherine Hernandez <katt@shell.gis.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 20:18:26 -0400

--------

My very good friend has a terrible problem. Her leg has been in SEVER pain

for several months now. After a lo-o-ong time, they finaly diagnosed her.

The nerve in her leg is all swollen up and twisted in her muscle. . .

there's a name for thsi, I've forgotten it now. . .but its a nerve

disorder. RIght now she's having shots for it, which help somewhat. If

they don't work, they'll freeze the nerve, which will make her leg

completely numb for about a year or even more. If THAT doesn't work,

they'll cut it, numbing it forever. She is 84 years old. ANyone have any

suggestions I might give to her?



				-Katt







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Subject: reishi & ganoderma lucidum

From: megan anderson <megana@edu.deakin.au>

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 10:50:19 +1000

--------

To whom it may concern,



My name is Megan Anderson, I have been asked to research reishi ,

otherwise known as ganoderma lucidum for a client.  My client is

interested in finding out whether or not reishi is currently being sold

as a 'cure' on the internet or within health food companies.

Is it being researched for production by a pharmaceutical company?

Is there a commercial production system?

Claimed health benefits.

If you could help me with this information I would be very grateful.

Yours Sincerely

Megan







==========

Subject: Re: reishi & ganoderma lucidum

From: "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H." <skip@netins.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 23:20:02 -0500

--------

Megan- I wrote my Master's Thesis on Reishi.  I collected research from over

60 available sources, but focused in on the research on whole plant extract

for healing.  I have a copy of my thesis on the computer if you would be

interested in seeing the summary of my research.  After researching this

herb I feel a need to use it with several people.  Finding a *quality*

source is another story.  I finally just recommend that people pay the extra

money to buy bulk, whole reishi propagated in their own country, and make

their own preperations.  You are sure of what you are getting that way.

Anyway, e me if you'd like me to send it, I'll warn you that it is long, and

I'm not a writer!  =)

Leslie Adams, M.H.



megan anderson wrote in message <35E0B8CB.F699AF7E@edu.deakin.au>...

>To whom it may concern,

>

>My name is Megan Anderson, I have been asked to research reishi ,

>otherwise known as ganoderma lucidum for a client.  My client is

>interested in finding out whether or not reishi is currently being sold

>as a 'cure' on the internet or within health food companies.

>Is it being researched for production by a pharmaceutical company?

>Is there a commercial production system?

>Claimed health benefits.

>If you could help me with this information I would be very grateful.

>Yours Sincerely

>Megan

>









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Subject: 5-HTP / 100 grams $175

From: mugi@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 05:32:02 GMT

--------





Hello,



I would like to find a few people to share in the cost of purchasing a

kilogram of 5-HTP. If you would like 100 grams for $175, please let me know.



If you take it often, you know that 5-HTP is expensive. One hundred 50 mg

capsules costs around $20 to $25 dollars, which works out to $4 to $5 per

gram. You can lower that to $1.75 per gram by buying the powder in bulk. (You

can make your own capsules or take it by the fractional spoonful.)



The 5-HTP is pharmaceutical grade and made in Germany. I will give everyone a

copy of the assay.



This is not a business. I'm a 5-HTP user trying to save some bucks. Please

don't start a rant.



Please reply to me by e-mail at mugi@my-dejanews.com



Thank you.



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Subject: Ancient list of Chinese herbs (Shen Nong Ben Cao)?

From: Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:52:22 -0700

--------

Please help.

I have read of an ancient and historically important list of 365 Chinese

herbs.

It is called by several names, but mostly it is called Shen Nong's Ben

Cao.

Supposedly it was written by Shen Nong about 2,000 years ago.

(Shen Nong is the Emperor who alledgedly discovered how to brew tea.)



I have been unable to find the actual text or even a breif listing of

the herbs.

I have found a few quotes from the extensive text, so it must exist

somewhere.



Does anyone know of an English translation on the Internet or anywhere?

Or does anyone know what are the the top 10 (or top 20 or so) herbs on

the list?

I believe Reishi is number one, and Ginseng is number two.



Thanks







==========

Subject: Best Internet sources for good herbs???

From: Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 23 Aug 1998 22:58:21 -0700

--------

What are the best Internet sources for good-quality herbs?

Not the cheapie stuff, but the good extracts and so forth.

You herb-knowledgeable people must have a few favorite discounters.

Thanks...







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Subject: Re: Lymes

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 24 Aug 98 02:59:51 EDT

--------

Karl  wrote:

Ka> Is there any combinations of herbs that anyone knows of that will help

Ka> with Lymes disease? Either helping or perhaps getting rid of it.  Your

Ka> info with be greatly appreciated. Thanks..Karl



    One poster in a health ng said taking the herb, pau d' arco,

    helped his Lymes Disease.



.. End  of  message

___ Blue Wave/386 v2.30 [NR]





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Subject: Re: Lymes

From: harouffd@top.net (Don )

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 09:42:59 GMT

--------

George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY> wrote:



>Karl  wrote:

>Ka> Is there any combinations of herbs that anyone knows of that will help

>Ka> with Lymes disease? Either helping or perhaps getting rid of it.  Your

>Ka> info with be greatly appreciated. Thanks..Karl

>

>    One poster in a health ng said taking the herb, pau d' arco,

>    helped his Lymes Disease.

>



I read an article a short time ago from a nurse who stated 25 grams

(25,000mg) of vitamin C a day for 5 days would get rid of the problem.

I have seen no follow up or supporting information to second the

treatment. All I can figure is that it would alter the body Ph

slightly maybe making it unfavorable for the problem to exist. It

would also cause very loose stools.



Don

Herbs, Minerals & Goods

Herbs, Essiac Tea, Essential Oils and Absolutes, Health Minerals

http://www.hmg-eo.com/





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Subject: Re: Lymes

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:02:47 -0500

--------

Don wrote:

> 

> I read an article a short time ago from a nurse who stated 25 

> grams (25,000mg) of vitamin C a day for 5 days would get rid of 

> the problem.  I have seen no follow up or supporting information 

> to second the treatment. All I can figure is that it would alter 

> the body Ph slightly maybe making it unfavorable for the problem 

> to exist. It would also cause very loose stools.



It would alter the pH more than 'slightly' - this quantity of 

vitamin C has been represented as an abortifacient strategy, 

the intention being to convince the body that it is too ill to 

sustain a pregnancy.  [Standard disclaimer:  the potential

effectiveness of any purported abortifacient is directly related

to the amount of time which has elapsed since conception, and

decreases rapidly.]  Loose stools, definitely, but there would

be more effects than just that.



-Kyra





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Subject: nausea

From: lacargile@aol.com (LACARGILE)

Date: 24 Aug 1998 17:22:06 GMT

--------

I've had cronic nausea for about 2 years now. I've had test after test, I even

had surgery for acid reflux in Sept. of last year. The doc. can't seem to find

any thing wrong since the surgery and I thought I would try some herbal

remedies. I don't know where to start. Any help would be appreciated.





Thanks,

Liz Cargile

LACARGILE@AOL.COM





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Subject: Re: nausea

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 15:50:51 -0700

--------

You maight want to try peppermint tea.

LACARGILE wrote in message

<1998082417220600.NAA19552@ladder01.news.aol.com>...

>I've had cronic nausea for about 2 years now. I've had test after test, I

even

>had surgery for acid reflux in Sept. of last year. The doc. can't seem to

find

>any thing wrong since the surgery and I thought I would try some herbal

>remedies. I don't know where to start. Any help would be appreciated.

>

>

>Thanks,

>Liz Cargile

>LACARGILE@AOL.COM









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Subject: Accupuncture meridians on the web?

From: "WmWallace!" <calvacca@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 20:01:34 GMT

--------

Does anyone know where traditional Chinese acupuncture meridians can be found on the web?

Thanks.

WmWallace!

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Subject: Lymes Disease

From: Karl <Karl@hicom.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:25:26 -0400

--------

HI there...does anyone know what Alternative treatment might be good to

get rid of Lymes disease?  Any suggestions will be

appreciated...thanks...Karl





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Subject: Re: Lymes Disease

From: Marilyn Bachmann <Marilyn.Bachmann@InternetMCI.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:49:12 -0700

--------





Karl wrote:



> HI there...does anyone know what Alternative treatment might be good to

> get rid of Lymes disease?  Any suggestions will be

> appreciated...thanks...Karl



  Well, this is not going to be much help....



If anyone remembers Senator Berkley Bedell of Iowa, he contacted Lyme's

disease and got quite ill with it.  Then he heard of a farmer that was

using bovine colostrum to treat it.  He infected the cow with the Lyme's

tick and then had the cow impregnated and used the colostrum to give to

quite a number of people.  The colostrum contained the antibodies necessary

to combat the Lyme's infection.



Unfortunately the FDA went after the farmer who was doing this and charged

him with practising medicine without a license and generally made the guy's

life hell.  There were reported cases of this treatment also helping MS.



I have talked to Senator Bedell who is now in his 70's and doing fine and

is spitting mad at the FDA for denying this approach to people's health.

He is going to try and find the funding to set up a clinic in Mexico or

somewhere beyond the jurisdiction of the FDA to test this method on Lyme's

and other diseases.



He set up this foundation:



National Foundation for Alternative Medicine

1155 Connecticut Avenue, N.W. Suite 33

Washington D.C.  20036

Tel: 202-429-6633

Fax: 202-429-0977



Misson Statement:



The mission of The National Foundation for Alternative Medicine is:



1) investigating, collecting date on, and reporting on what clinical

research evidence suggests to be the most promising alternative

treatments being administered around the world for various health

problems



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Anyway, this whole thing has struck me as very interesting and I can see

why it might work on Lyme's.  But....how do you convince a friendly farmer

to help.  The legal costs for the farmer in Iowa ran into hundreds of

thousands I understand, it bankrupted him, though the jury refused to

convict the man of criminal charges.







==========

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:43:28 GMT

--------

On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:33:15 -0400, Karl <Karl@hicom.net> wrote:



>Does anyone have information on this herb?

>Does anyone know if it would be good for Lymes Disease?



A past post:



Newsgroup: alt.folklore.herbs

Subject: The Truth about Colloidal Silver (was: Re: Colloidal Silver - A

Most Perfect Medicine)

From: John Guzobad <guz@idt.net>

Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:57:21 -0700



I ran a Medline search yesterday and found about 40 references that 

described adverse effects and toxicities ascribed to silver and 

published in the last five years.



The following adverse effects/toxicities have been reported:



Neurological - seizures, muscle paralysis, gait disturbances.



Gastrointestinal - chronic, incurable abdominal pain from silver

deposition; hemorrhagic gastroenteritis with shock and death, and

abdominal cramping.



Vision - reduced night vision with deposition in retinas, a 

possible connection between retinal detachment and colloidal silver 

ingestion.



Dermatologic - incurable argyria, photosensitivity.



Pregnancy - late pregnancy adverse outcomes in proportion to silver

contamination of drinking water and serum level of silver (decade 

plus study in Massachusetts), 100% mortality in rat pups born to 

mothers given AgCl during pregnancy.



Cardiac - conduction defects (i.e. metal deposition screws up

electrical conduction in the heart muscle).



Immunologic - bone marrow toxicity, in vitro damage to T and B 

cells approximately equivalent to that of mercury.



Metabolic - alteration in copper metabolism.



The proponents of colloidal silver will proclaim "...Cu/Zn/Ag , are 

all pretty close on the periodic table...all exhibit bacteriocidal 

properties..."



The same can be said for mercury and cadmium. The location on the

periodic chart is not a valid test of safety or physiologic 

requirement. Note also that silver consumption alters copper 

metabolism, which is a known physiologic requirement. Additionally, 

both zinc and copper can be toxic when taken in excess quantities.



The MLM'ers will also declare that Colloidal Silver is relatively 

nontoxic (with Argyria as the only known effect after gram doses and 

that this is only cosmetic), and that when weighed against death from

a fulminating infection, it is pure nonsense to consider colloidal 

silver toxic in any reasonable sense of the word.



Argyria has developed in 18 months of daily use, at considerably less

than a total dose of a gram, and is IRREVERSIBLE. The other side 

effects are rare, *because* argyria is so obvious and its appearance 

usually stops silver consumption.



There is no evidence at all that colloidal silver will have any effect

on "fulminating infection". It is currently used to prevent localized

infection on catheter tips, in prosthesis cements, and topically for 

skin infections (especially burns). It has been widely replaced for 

other applications with more effective, less toxic antibiotics. In 

order for any antibiotic to work, it must come in contact with the 

bacteria. Silver absorbs and distributes poorly and is useless when 

consumed orally for systemic, respiratory, or other than local 

infections. This was shown in clinical studies performed in the 

1930s.



In a serious infection, colloidal silver would be worse than useless.

In order to get an adequate concentration in a rapid enough period, 

you would have to take such a large dose that mucosal destruction and

hemorrhage would result. Slower ingestion over a period of days would 

be ineffective against bacteria whose population doubles in about 20 

minutes.



Purveyors make the claim that colloidal silver is less toxic than 

silver salts. In reality, colloidal silver is produced by mixing 

silver nitrate, lye, and gelatin. The silver salts contaminating the 

solution may actually exceed the quantity of silver complexed to 

protein. This varies between manufacturers and batches, and may 

substantially increase the dose of silver consumed. (Note: Without 

gelatin or some other protein in the solution, it is not possible to 

have colloidal silver.)



For those of you who are less committed to colloidal silver, here are

some good references:



1) Goodman LS, Gillman A. A Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics. 

5th Edition. McMillan, 1975:930-931, 999-1000.



2) Greene RM, Su WPD. Argyria. American Family Physician, 

36:151-154 (Dec. 1987).

-- This reference has nifty color pictures of silver-blue people.



3) Fung MC, Bowen DL. Silver Products for Medical Indications: Risk

Benefit Assessment. Journal of Toxicology and Clinical Toxicology,

34(1), 119-126 (Nov. 1996).

-- A comprehensive review by FDA toxicolgists with 45 references.



We all have an intake of silver from milk (well, some of us), bran,

mushrooms, amalgam dental fillings, and water. Those of us who use 

Brita water filters may also get some silver from that source. If 

you are really concerned about an unsuspected need for an ultra-

micro-nutrient and you don't have any silver fillings, filter your 

water!







==========

Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver

From: sunwyn@hotmail.com

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:37:28 GMT

--------

Actually, I have had lyme disease forever a year. After several

attempts at using the recommended treatments of iv & oral antibiotics,

collodial silver was the only thing that allowed me to resume a normal

life. I have had no side effects what so ever. How many parts per

million were usaed in these tests?



Sunwyn





On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 01:43:28 GMT, donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

wrote:



>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 17:33:15 -0400, Karl <Karl@hicom.net> wrote:

>

>>Does anyone have information on this herb?

>>Does anyone know if it would be good for Lymes Disease?

>

>A past post:

>

>Newsgroup: alt.folklore.herbs

>Subject: The Truth about Colloidal Silver (was: Re: Colloidal Silver - A

>Most Perfect Medicine)

>From: John Guzobad <guz@idt.net>

>Date: Sun, 29 Jun 1997 18:57:21 -0700

>

>I ran a Medline search yesterday and found about 40 references that 

>described adverse effects and toxicities ascribed to silver and 

>published in the last five years.

>

>The following adverse effects/toxicities have been reported:

>

>Neurological - seizures, muscle paralysis, gait disturbances.

>

>Gastrointestinal - chronic, incurable abdominal pain from silver

>deposition; hemorrhagic gastroenteritis with shock and death, and

>abdominal cramping.

>

>Vision - reduced night vision with deposition in retinas, a 

>possible connection between retinal detachment and colloidal silver 

>ingestion.

>

>Dermatologic - incurable argyria, photosensitivity.

>

>Pregnancy - late pregnancy adverse outcomes in proportion to silver

>contamination of drinking water and serum level of silver (decade 

>plus study in Massachusetts), 100% mortality in rat pups born to 

>mothers given AgCl during pregnancy.

>

>Cardiac - conduction defects (i.e. metal deposition screws up

>electrical conduction in the heart muscle).

>

>Immunologic - bone marrow toxicity, in vitro damage to T and B 

>cells approximately equivalent to that of mercury.

>

>Metabolic - alteration in copper metabolism.

>

>The proponents of colloidal silver will proclaim "...Cu/Zn/Ag , are 

>all pretty close on the periodic table...all exhibit bacteriocidal 

>properties..."

>

>The same can be said for mercury and cadmium. The location on the

>periodic chart is not a valid test of safety or physiologic 

>requirement. Note also that silver consumption alters copper 

>metabolism, which is a known physiologic requirement. Additionally, 

>both zinc and copper can be toxic when taken in excess quantities.

>

>The MLM'ers will also declare that Colloidal Silver is relatively 

>nontoxic (with Argyria as the only known effect after gram doses and 

>that this is only cosmetic), and that when weighed against death from

>a fulminating infection, it is pure nonsense to consider colloidal 

>silver toxic in any reasonable sense of the word.

>

>Argyria has developed in 18 months of daily use, at considerably less

>than a total dose of a gram, and is IRREVERSIBLE. The other side 

>effects are rare, *because* argyria is so obvious and its appearance 

>usually stops silver consumption.

>

>There is no evidence at all that colloidal silver will have any effect

>on "fulminating infection". It is currently used to prevent localized

>infection on catheter tips, in prosthesis cements, and topically for 

>skin infections (especially burns). It has been widely replaced for 

>other applications with more effective, less toxic antibiotics. In 

>order for any antibiotic to work, it must come in contact with the 

>bacteria. Silver absorbs and distributes poorly and is useless when 

>consumed orally for systemic, respiratory, or other than local 

>infections. This was shown in clinical studies performed in the 

>1930s.

>

>In a serious infection, colloidal silver would be worse than useless.

>In order to get an adequate concentration in a rapid enough period, 

>you would have to take such a large dose that mucosal destruction and

>hemorrhage would result. Slower ingestion over a period of days would 

>be ineffective against bacteria whose population doubles in about 20 

>minutes.

>

>Purveyors make the claim that colloidal silver is less toxic than 

>silver salts. In reality, colloidal silver is produced by mixing 

>silver nitrate, lye, and gelatin. The silver salts contaminating the 

>solution may actually exceed the quantity of silver complexed to 

>protein. This varies between manufacturers and batches, and may 

>substantially increase the dose of silver consumed. (Note: Without 

>gelatin or some other protein in the solution, it is not possible to 

>have colloidal silver.)

>

>For those of you who are less committed to colloidal silver, here are

>some good references:

>

>1) Goodman LS, Gillman A. A Pharmacological Basis of Therapeutics. 

>5th Edition. McMillan, 1975:930-931, 999-1000.

>

>2) Greene RM, Su WPD. Argyria. American Family Physician, 

>36:151-154 (Dec. 1987).

>-- This reference has nifty color pictures of silver-blue people.

>

>3) Fung MC, Bowen DL. Silver Products for Medical Indications: Risk

>Benefit Assessment. Journal of Toxicology and Clinical Toxicology,

>34(1), 119-126 (Nov. 1996).

>-- A comprehensive review by FDA toxicolgists with 45 references.

>

>We all have an intake of silver from milk (well, some of us), bran,

>mushrooms, amalgam dental fillings, and water. Those of us who use 

>Brita water filters may also get some silver from that source. If 

>you are really concerned about an unsuspected need for an ultra-

>micro-nutrient and you don't have any silver fillings, filter your 

>water!







==========

Subject: Bloodroot

From: ChasNVic@IgLou.com (Ophelia)

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 02:31:57 GMT

--------

Does anyone here have a source for fresh bloodroot.  If not fresh how

about bloodroot paste?  As long as it has not been dryed or tinctured

with alcohol.  Thanks and merry part



Ophelia





==========

To: Ophelia <ChasNVic@IgLou.com>

Subject: Re: Bloodroot

From: Katherine Hernandez <katt@shell.gis.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 13:25:09 -0400

--------

I was wondering the same. I know DoctorAndrew Weil extols its uses and

keeps it on hand in Arizona, but then I don't live in arizona. I was

looking specifically for bloodroot *paste* for the purpose of ridding

myself of a possibley pre-cancerous mole. . . 



				-Katt



On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Ophelia wrote:



> Does anyone here have a source for fresh bloodroot.  If not fresh how

> about bloodroot paste?  As long as it has not been dryed or tinctured

> with alcohol.  Thanks and merry part

> 

> Ophelia

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Re: Bloodroot

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 00:18:07 GMT

--------

Katherine Hernandez <katt@shell.gis.net> wrote:



>I was wondering the same. I know DoctorAndrew Weil extols its uses and

>keeps it on hand in Arizona, but then I don't live in arizona. I was

>looking specifically for bloodroot *paste* for the purpose of ridding

>myself of a possibley pre-cancerous mole. . . 



There are other topicals made for this type of problem.  Cansema 

and Skin Answer.  Cansema costs (I think) about $60 for a small

jar, but is guaranteed to work, even against skin cancer.

Skin Answer is similar, but I don't know if it is the same formula

or with the same guarantee.



turf 











==========

Subject: Re: Bloodroot

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:25:51 GMT

--------



>of questioning and research(all do-able at a library), I learn where

>bloodroot grows, and how to make ti myself, than I have removed myself

>from that system completely for this effort.



You don't need to buy the stuff.  There are recipes out there with 

similar formulas, and you can use dried bloodroot.  One I give

on my web page somewhere (in a cancer article I think) is 

zinc, bloodroot, galangal root, and castor oil.  I think

Cansema uses zinc chloride or some other form that I have 

never seen for sale, so that could be the reason for the

exhorbitant price.  But, $60 is a small price to pay for a

product which is guaranteed to cure skin cancer, compared

to the price of chemo and radiation, anyway.



turf









==========

Subject: Re: Bloodroot

From: terue1@aol.com (Terue1)

Date: 28 Aug 1998 18:22:29 GMT

--------

Where does Bloodroot grow and what does the plant look like. Would like to try

to grow some of  my own. Thanks in advance for the info.



Marissa





==========

Subject: Sweating?

From: "Alex Rozenberg" <alx@bestweb.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 00:25:22 -0400

--------

Any hearbs that one can take to reduce sweating?



What about side-effects?









==========

Subject: Re: Sweating?

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:46:42 -0500

--------

Alex Rozenberg wrote:

 

> Any hearbs that one can take to reduce sweating?



Sage tea.



> What about side-effects?



Sweating is one of your body's tools for regulating temperature.

Less sweat, greater possibility of heat build-up.  I've been

First Responder for a borderline heatstroke case....  Nasty.



-Kyra





==========

Subject: Re: Sweating?

From: "Alex Rozenberg" <alx@bestweb.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:37:42 -0400

--------

How does one take sage tea?  Is it brewed like regular tea?  Where can I

obtain it?

 AD(thanks)VANCE



- alex

Lady Necessity wrote in message <35E2CE52.6D2B@flash.net>...

>Alex Rozenberg wrote:

>

>> Any hearbs that one can take to reduce sweating?

>

>Sage tea.

>

>> What about side-effects?

>

>Sweating is one of your body's tools for regulating temperature.

>Less sweat, greater possibility of heat build-up.  I've been

>First Responder for a borderline heatstroke case....  Nasty.

>

>-Kyra









==========

Subject: Re: Sweating?

From: Lady Necessity <kyra@flash.net>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:20:54 -0500

--------

Don't pay grocery store prices for the bitty spice containers of

sage, go to a health food store and it will be cheaper and fresher

in bulk.  It's brewed like 'regular tea' and you would drink a

cup or two a day.  The store should be able to explain water-to-

herb proportions, which will somewhat depend on whether the leaf

is whole or crumbled.  I wouldn't use 'rubbed' sage, which would

require serious straining.



-Kyra



Alex Rozenberg wrote:

> 

> How does one take sage tea?  Is it brewed like regular tea?  

> Where can I obtain it?

>  AD(thanks)VANCE

> 

> - alex

> Lady Necessity wrote in message <35E2CE52.6D2B@flash.net>...

> >Alex Rozenberg wrote:

> >

> >> Any hearbs that one can take to reduce sweating?

> >

> >Sage tea.

> >

> >> What about side-effects?

> >

> >Sweating is one of your body's tools for regulating temperature.

> >Less sweat, greater possibility of heat build-up.  I've been

> >First Responder for a borderline heatstroke case....  Nasty.

> >

> >-Kyra





==========

Subject: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:40:14 -0700

--------

Okay folks,

what in your opinion is the best, most amazing, king of herbs?

I vote for Ginseng.







==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:27:43 GMT

--------

On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:40:14 -0700, Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>what in your opinion is the best, most amazing, king of herbs?

>I vote for Ginseng.



Nettles (Urtica dioica / urens) get my vote. No doubt about it.

Dandelion (Taraxacum) and burdock (Arctium) perhaps second, 

then yarrow (Achillea), and then Mullein (Verbascum).



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:23:32 GMT

--------

On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:27:43 GMT, HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette

Kress) wrote:



>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:40:14 -0700, Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net> wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>what in your opinion is the best, most amazing, king of herbs?

>>I vote for Ginseng.

>

>Nettles (Urtica dioica / urens) get my vote. No doubt about it.

>Dandelion (Taraxacum) and burdock (Arctium) perhaps second, 

>then yarrow (Achillea), and then Mullein (Verbascum).

>

>Henriette



Henriette;

If I may pose the inevitable question.

Why nettles?

Paul





==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:51:23 GMT

--------

On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:23:32 GMT, sorry@nospam.com (PTM) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>>>what in your opinion is the best, most amazing, king of herbs?

>>>I vote for Ginseng.

>>

>>Nettles (Urtica dioica / urens) get my vote. No doubt about it.

>>Dandelion (Taraxacum) and burdock (Arctium) perhaps second, 

>>then yarrow (Achillea), and then Mullein (Verbascum).

>

>If I may pose the inevitable question.

>Why nettles?



They're very rich in minerals, very versatile, and grow in abundance. 

* nettle greens are the best potherb we have, and, later on, an excellent

mineral tea that is also anti-inflammatory, diuretic, and a host of other

things, 

* nettle seed will make your old horse jump like a filly (and you too), 

* nettle root is a good prostate herb... 

my pal Janice Schofield has written a great little book on nettles (Keats

publishing I think, May 98 or so), including uses from most all of the herbal

medicine traditions - it -is- a very versatile plant.



Nettles are only my favorite this week of course, next week it could be

something else entirely. Like perhaps Ceanothus, Krameria, or Fouquieria (exotes

to me, alas), or perhaps Viburnum or Cornus.



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: "Moreno Polloni" <unspammable@istar.ca>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:54:20 GMT

--------



Henriette Kress wrote in message <35f301bb.4899324@news.eunet.fi>...



>>nettle seed will make your old horse jump like a filly (and you too)



Thanks for the warning. I'll remember to avoid taking nettle seed before I go

see my clients. The last thing I want them to see is me jumping around like a

filly. Should be fun on the weekends, though.



















==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:17:12 GMT

--------

On Thu, 27 Aug 1998 06:51:23 GMT, HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette

Kress) wrote:



>On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:23:32 GMT, sorry@nospam.com (PTM) wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>>>what in your opinion is the best, most amazing, king of herbs?

>>>>I vote for Ginseng.

>>>

>>>Nettles (Urtica dioica / urens) get my vote. No doubt about it.

>>>Dandelion (Taraxacum) and burdock (Arctium) perhaps second, 

>>>then yarrow (Achillea), and then Mullein (Verbascum).

>>

>>If I may pose the inevitable question.

>>Why nettles?

>

>They're very rich in minerals, very versatile, and grow in abundance. 

>* nettle greens are the best potherb we have, and, later on, an excellent

>mineral tea that is also anti-inflammatory, diuretic, and a host of other

>things, 

>* nettle seed will make your old horse jump like a filly (and you too), 

>* nettle root is a good prostate herb... 

>my pal Janice Schofield has written a great little book on nettles (Keats

>publishing I think, May 98 or so), including uses from most all of the herbal

>medicine traditions - it -is- a very versatile plant.

>

>Nettles are only my favorite this week of course, next week it could be

>something else entirely. Like perhaps Ceanothus, Krameria, or Fouquieria (exotes

>to me, alas), or perhaps Viburnum or Cornus.

>

>Cheers

>Henriette



Thanks;

I started drinking nettle tea awhile ago because of something you

said and wanted to know why?

Paul





==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: cheeena@aol.com (Cheeena)

Date: 28 Aug 1998 14:01:52 GMT

--------

hi...i haven't tried as many herbs as others have, I'm sure, but among those

I've used, Echinacea has been awesome for cold preventions, Tree Tree Oil and

Yew tree extract are amazing for my constant eczema and rash problems (better

than those awful-sounding chemical lotions my doc puts me on) and garlic, in

the food sense, cleans out the plumbing like nothing else.

--acey





==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: "robt" <gem1@gremelect.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:57:28 -0700

--------



Henriette Kress wrote in message <35fed65e.120959653@news.eunet.fi>...

>On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:40:14 -0700, Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net> wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>what in your opinion is the best, most amazing, king of herbs?

>>I vote for Ginseng.

>





Hemlock...









==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: eboka@aol.com (Eboka)

Date: 27 Aug 1998 02:03:24 GMT

--------

I vote for Tabernanthe iboga 





==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H." <skip@netins.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:35:24 -0500

--------

Plantago major, Urtica dioca, maybe Taraxacum officinale.  Tough choice, Do

we have to pick just one?  Ganoderma lucidum, Linum ustatissimum.  I guess

maybe these are my top 5 =)

Leslie









==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: sunmachin@aol.com (Sunmachin)

Date: 27 Aug 1998 16:47:17 GMT

--------

Saint John's Wort. 



It saved me from depression and keeps me on an even keel in my war with it. 



Garlic is my second fave.

Kava Kava

evening Primerose oil

     





Need to Drill a hole? Check out my site: http://www.sunmachinery.com  Oi/gas

drilling rigs. 

                                               





==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:02:24 GMT

--------

As I get older, I believe my vote would tend to swing toward

psyllium husk powder.

Paul





==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: "WMC" <wmcdata@wmcdata.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:06:08 -0400

--------

Why?? What does it do?? I think this thread is great, but it would be even

better for those of us who aren't that familiar with all these herbs if the

respondents would say *why* they prefer the ones they mention. It would be

very helpful!





PTM wrote in message <35e785b0.27389173@netnews.msn.com>...

>As I get older, I believe my vote would tend to swing toward

>psyllium husk powder.

>Paul









==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: michael brown <mbrown@kih.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:48:25 -0400

--------

COMFREY



-- 

regards,

>>>> NOTE: REMOVE THE TIREDOFSPAM IN THE RETURN ADDRESS TO REPLY! <<<<

michael brown

mbrownTIREDOFSPAM@kih.net





==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: kerryw@hotc.net (Kerry Wooster)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 03:51:20 GMT

--------

On Mon, 24 Aug 1998 22:40:14 -0700, Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net>

wrote:



>Okay folks,

>what in your opinion is the best, most amazing, king of herbs?

>I vote for Ginseng.

>

Can' decide between Myrrh & Arnica Montana & Wormwood.... awww shoot,

there I go again.

Kerry





==========

Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: "Mark L. Tron" <tron@acc-net.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:09:29 -0400

--------

No Doubt!!  Red Clover









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Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: "Scott Lee" <sjlee_NOSPAM@wwnet.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:28:22 -0400

--------

Moreno Polloni wrote in message ...

>

>Scott Lee wrote in message <6s3ttj$cto$2@trellis.wwnet.net>...

>>

>>As a member of a family with allergy and ashtma problems, Mullein

(Verbascum

>>Thapsus) would have to be my choice.

>>

>>The herb may be infused into a tea that can be use even by children, and

is

>>a part of our daily life.

>>

>>Scott Lee

>>

>

>How is it helping with the allergies?





My eldest daughter and I are alergic to mold.  I used to end up with, what

they used to call, walking-pneumonia.  The mullein helps to keep the lungs

clear and I haven't had that problem in a couple of years.



Scott Lee









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Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 27 Aug 98 21:55:20 EDT

--------

Mark L. Tron <tron@acc-net.com>  wrote:

MLT> No Doubt!!  Red Clover



     Why  Red Clover?



.. End  of  message

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Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 29 Aug 1998 15:17:40 GMT

--------

Although a really fun topic, don't people find that this is a rather strange

question? No matter which "alternative" system you use, all holistic medicine

emphasizes the individual over the disease (or the cure) . Which means no one

herb is best for everyone -- it's the person's individual

chemistry/needs/whatever that should determine the most amazing herb for that

moment.



Stepping off that soap box, my preference is milk thistle, a mild herb with

little known side-effects that protects and cleanses the liver.









Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 01:09:24 +0100

--------

In article <35E24E3D.FA51FFA0@earthlink.net>, Cogito

<cogito2@earthlink.net> writes

>Okay folks,

>what in your opinion is the best, most amazing, king of herbs?

>I vote for Ginseng.

>

Valerian, it helps sleep relaxes muscles, and reduces stress.



-- 

Shez                                shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady    http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/





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Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

From: "TNT" <TNT@disknet.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:53:54 -0400

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I would have to say, so far, that garlic/ceyenne.



I had a cholesterol level of 252  190/42  and a blood pressure reading of

138/88.  My doctor switched me from my regular medication to Zocor and put

me on a dieretic with my blood pressure medicine.  I took a garlic/ceyenne

capsule with my medicine everyday and my next test read 165  90/44 and my

blood pressure reading was 117/84.  Quite a difference.  I was telling a

friend about my experience and she is convinced that the garlic/ceyenne

mixture was the big influence on the big drop.



I really haven't tried many other herbs yet, except Eichanacea and

goldenseal blend.  I was using the goldenseal for my sinuses, it helped some

but not like the garlic blend did with my cholesterol.



TNT











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To: shunfam@geocities.com

Subject: Re: Herbs and the FDA

From: "Pamela Love, Owner" <pam@soapcrafters.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 09:05:14 +0000

--------

Frederick wrote:

It already is illegal, trust me.  I had my entire business inventory

confiscated several years back.  The way they do it is to put on the

warrant that you are selling untested drugs.  I guess they are just

defining what they already do.



Does anyone know how Senator Hatch feels about this proposed law?



Pam

-- 

Soap Crafters Company (801)474-2993

Soap Noodles, Molds!, Essential Oils & Bulk Herbs 

Soap Making Instructions, Email Chat & ICQ Chat

http://www.soapcrafters.com





> 

> If this passes:

> 

> *  It will be illegal to provide information about

> the actions of herbal

>    products (etc) which state that an dietary

> supplement for sale is:

>                 *A diuretic

>                 *A laxative

>                 *An antiseptic

>                 *Helps poor digestion

>                 *An immune stimulant

>                 *Affects arthritis pain or

> headaches

>                 *or affects any other deviation

> from 'normal' body function or

>                   its symptoms

> *  Aging, pregnancy, menstrual cycles and

> menopause will be defined as

>    diseases--and manufacturers of dietary

> supplements will be forbidden

>    to inform people of the effects of their

> products in any of this

>    'abnormal' states.

> *  FDA will be able to prevent consumers from

> getting information on how

>    to use vitamins, minerals and herbs to prevent

> or help fight disease.

>    It also forbids any claim that an herb or other

> supplement can help

>    people to heal from wounds or other such

> conditions.

> *  FDA will be able to restrict access to herbs

> and other supplements if

>    it is 'clear' to FDA that people will buy the

> products to treat

>    'disease' even if no claim is made by the

> manufacturer.





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Subject: Anyone have accupuncture information?

From: "WmWallace!" <calvacca@hotmail.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 18:32:25 GMT

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Looking for a web site with the meridians depicted.  Help?

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Subject: FWD: Cyanide Letters

From: vandy@avana.net

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 19:14:04 GMT

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Mail Searched for Cyanide Letters 



                  By Deborah Hastings

                  Associated Press Writer

                  Tuesday, August 25, 1998; 3:35 a.m. EDT



                  MARINA DEL REY, Calif. (AP) -- She lost

her hair, apparently from cancer treatment. She is believed

to have lived out of her van and used a Beverly Hills post

office box. She has had previous run-ins with the law,

mostly over traffic mishaps. 



                  Little else is known about Kathryn

Schoonover, who is suspected of trying to mail cynanide

packets that looked like free samples of nutritional

supplements. 



                  Was she trying to prove something? How and

why did she select the alleged targets, mostly police and

medical professionals? Are any previous poisoned mailings

out there? 



                  Late Monday, authorities still had no

motive for the alleged attempted by mail, said Detective

John Vernon of the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.

Ms. Schoonover, 50, was to be arraigned this afternoon. 



                  Deputy Bob Killeen said Ms. Schoonover

denied mailing any cyanide-laden letters. 



                  U.S. postal officials have sent warnings

to the service's employees across                   the

country. ``We're not taking any chances,'' said Postal

Service Inspector George Marsh. 



                  Schoonover was arrested Sunday outside the

Marina del Rey post office by deputies who also seized a box

containing more than 100 letter-sized envelopes with

cellophane windows. The woman had been pouring sodium

cyanide power into small plastic bags, which were attached

to brochures for nutritional and dietary supplements. 



                  ``She was spooning the cyanide into

plastic bags at a table in the lobby,'' said local

Postmaster Pat McCloskey, who was summoned by authorities

after Schoonover's arrest. ``I actually saw three containers

that said `cyanide' on them.'' 



                  U.S. Post Offices were told to look for

envelopes matching the description of those seized. They are

off-gray in color and bear no return address.  Postal

inspectors say anyone who gets such an envelope should leave

it alone and contact the local post office. 



                  There have been no known deaths recently

from cyanide mailings. 



                  Cyanide powder swallowed in tiny amounts

can kill a person within minutes by causing asphyxiation. 



                  Investigators said they were certain no

deadly letters made it into the mail at Marina del Rey on

Sunday. But four people in upstate New York received similar

letters in the past few months, Killeen said. 



                  Kriste Graves, an Albany, N.Y., housewife,

said she received a strange-looking pamphlet in the mail

about three months ago with no return address. It was

stapled to a clear, plastic pouch. 



                  ``I thought it was like a nutritional

thing, an all-natural food substance that somebody was

sending me as a free sample,'' Graves said Monday. ``But I

remember it was odd-looking,'' so she threw it away. 



                  She said she got a call Monday from

California saying she and her husband, John, a postman in

the Albany area, were on the cyanide mail list. But she

didn't recognize Schoonover's name. 



                  During interviews with detectives,

Schoonover claimed to have a background in chemistry and

possibly the theater, authorities said. 



                  Her address wasn't immediately known and

authorities said she may have been living in her vehicle. 



                  Mike Bastanchury, a former Santa Barbara

policeman who said he'd been told he was on Schoonover's

list, remembered investigating her for hit-and-run driving

in 1994. No charges were filed. 



                  ``As far as I can remember she had a real

tortured explanation as to what happened,'' he told KEYT-TV.





                  Schoonover's driver's license was

suspended by the California Department of Motor Vehicles for

failing to report a June 4, 1996, traffic accident in Santa

Monica. It was suspended again in July for failing to appear

in El Monte Municipal Court for traffic and registration

violations issued in January. 



                                Copyright 1998 The

Associated Press



 

 Have a pleasant day,

    Vandy Terre

   vandy@avana.net

west central Georgia, USA





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Subject: How to make balms or liniments?

From: x13cript1@hotmail.com (Alan)

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 20:41:22 GMT

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How can I make balms or liniments (don't know the difference, english

isn't my native language) from herbs?



Thanks, Alan





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Subject: Golden Seal and Hypothyroidism

From: "Giselle" <christsingles@email.msn.com>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:23:19 -0400

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Greetings.

I read somewhere that Goldenseal Root is a natural thyroid stimulant.

I have hypothyroidism and am currently taking .02 mg of Synthroid once a day

and have been for the past 15 years. I was told I have to take it for the

rest of my life.



I'd like to know if I can take Goldenseal while I'm taking the Synthroid and

maybe wean myself off it, or will it have adverse reactions? Or can I take

Goldenseal instead of Synthroid?



I also suffer from bronchial asthma and read that Goldenseal can help

respiratory problems also.

I do have a doctor's appointment next month and would like to take him any

info I can find.

I've search all over the Net to no avail. Any help is appreciated.



Giselle

gigi@christsingles.com

www.christsingles.com/singles

www.goodnewscafe.com/goodnews

><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>><>











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Subject: Re: Golden Seal and Hypothyroidism

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:18:12 GMT

--------

On Tue, 25 Aug 1998 22:23:19 -0400, "Giselle" <christsingles@email.msn.com>

wrote in alt.folklore.herbs:



>I read somewhere that Goldenseal Root is a natural thyroid stimulant.

>I have hypothyroidism and am currently taking .02 mg of Synthroid once a day

>and have been for the past 15 years. I was told I have to take it for the

>rest of my life.

>

>I'd like to know if I can take Goldenseal while I'm taking the Synthroid and

>maybe wean myself off it, or will it have adverse reactions? Or can I take

>Goldenseal instead of Synthroid?

>

>I also suffer from bronchial asthma and read that Goldenseal can help

>respiratory problems also.



Sigh. Goldenseal will also help you defeat death, in-laws, and taxes... 



There's nothing much you can do if you're on synthroid, especially if you've

been on it for 15 years, as that generally means your thyroid is dead and might

as well be buried. Like flogging a dead horse... if it's still whimpering you

-could- try Gotu kola; no guarantees, and do very low dosages at first - stop at

once if you get mouth mucosa reactions. Visit one of your local clinical

herbalists / ND's / whatever else you have in your neck of the woods for a full

evaluation and the rest of the shebang.



As to asthma - what kind of asthma? Bronchial spasm or reactive mucosa? Or both?

There's different approaches for these, and goldenseal is generally not included

in either regimen... again, visit your local health professional.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: 11 yr old with canker sores

From: tlmckay@my-dejanews.com

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:23:57 GMT

--------

I hope someone can help me.  My son seems to always have canker sores in his

mouth.  He can't take pills or tablets.  There is a health food store near us

but I don't know what to ask for.  L-lysine works for my husband but my son

can't get the tablets down.  I've tried crushing them but the taste gags him.

Any suggestions would be welcome.

Thanks

Terri



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Subject: Re: 11 yr old with canker sores

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 03:48:53 GMT

--------

On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 02:23:57 GMT, tlmckay@my-dejanews.com wrote:



>I hope someone can help me.  My son seems to always have canker sores in his

>mouth.  He can't take pills or tablets. 



I suggest a gluten-free diet.



In my Merck Manual (16th edition) it says "Etiology is unknown, but several

factors point toward a localized immune reaction. Deficiencies of iron,

vitamin B12 and folic acid increase susceptibility. Stress and local trauma

are usually the predominant precipitating factors."



I have several articles connecting canker sores (same as apthus ulcers)

with gluten consumption, even in people that are not celiac. They are a bit

long to post, so instead I have put them at my web site. Here they are:



_Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine_, by Michael Murray, ND and Joseph

Pizzorno, ND, From: Chapter 56, pages 425-427:



  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/canker1.txt



_Can A Gluten-Free Diet Help? How?_, by Lloyd Rosenvold, M.D., pages

123-124.



  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/canker2.txt



And at Ron Hoggan's site is the one he wrote:



  http://www.panix.com/~donwiss/hoggan/canker.txt



Don (at panix com).





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Subject: Olive Leaf Extract

From: "Jim Long" <long@winning.com>

Date: 26 Aug 1998 03:41:31 GMT

--------

I recently read about Olive Leaf Extract from East Park.



Anyone have any experiences or comments about the product?









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Subject: Herb Help!!!

From: "PsB" <psb1@hsonline.net>

Date: Tue, 25 Aug 1998 23:43:49 -0500

--------

Looking for a certain herb. It was described on a talk show once and called

"Sweet John". Didn't catch where the herb was found (doing 65 mph in a truck

driving through New York City, on I-95, at the time). I can't find it in any

place I have looked  (including the encyclopedia).

So I needed to find a "Brain" of herbs to give me a hand, or idea, where to

look for it. Naturally the newsgroup was my best source of locating the

"Brains".

Anyone?



PsB - "Freedom"









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Subject: What is "Young Ji"? A mushroom? Reishi?

From: Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:23:07 -0700

--------

Today I was at a Chinese grocery store, and they had some tea called

"Young Ji."

 I couldn't read the rest of the box (the other words were in Chinese

characters).



The picture on the box looked to me like the Reishi mushroom?

I can see how "Zhi" could  become "Ji."

Are Reishi (also known as "Ling Zhi") and "Young Ji" the same thing?



Could it be dangerous to drink a random Chinese mushroom tea?

Thanks for any answers or guesses .







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Subject: mom needs help with colicy baby

From: yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree)

Date: 26 Aug 1998 08:29:15 GMT

--------

Hi, My sister in law has two babies under two years old. The first little girl

never had any colic or other problems. The new baby girl has colic and cries

all night. She is wearing mom and dad out.

I know how much ginger has helped my painful irritable bowel sydrome. Do you

think mixing a little ginger in some water and giving it to the two month old

would help her colic. Is ginger safe to give a two month old child? Someone had

suggested chamomile

tea but mom wants to hear an authority on herbs tell her that it is safe. Any

experts out there? thanks 

please send me a copy of your answer to yesirree@aol.com

"You are  a spiritual being having a physical experience and not a physical

being having a spiritual experience."





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Subject: Re: mom needs help with colicy baby

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:42:58 GMT

--------

On 26 Aug 1998 08:29:15 GMT, yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree) wrote:



>  My sister in law has two babies under two years old. The first little girl

>never had any colic or other problems. The new baby girl has colic and cries

>all night. She is wearing mom and dad out.



Is there dairy in the mother's diet? Dairy peptides can pass through the

mother's breast milk. I strongly suggest a dairy-free diet. Then give it a

couple weeks.



Don.

http://www.panix.com/~nomilk/





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Subject: Re: mom needs help with colicy baby

From: marshall@nospam-hempseed.com (Marshall)

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 18:32:52 GMT

--------

On 26 Aug 1998 08:29:15 GMT, yesirree@aol.com (Yesirree) wrote:



>Hi, My sister in law has two babies under two years old. The first little girl

>never had any colic or other problems. The new baby girl has colic and cries

>all night. 



Rooibos tea is known to alleviate colic - it is available in the US

but perhaps you'll have find a mail-order source. Try

http://www.rooibos.com/ for starters.



M.



--

Marshall Reeve

Johannesburg, South Africa







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Subject: Re: mom needs help with colicy baby

From: "Peters" <peter@pcskillnet.on.ca>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 23:28:17 -0400

--------

Massage therapy can also offer some benefits for babies with digestion

problems .  Check with the association of Registered Massage therapists in

our province or state for a local therapist  that can share with you some

tricks.  There are also some excellent publications that will also allow you

to gain some techniques. Good Luck.

Melissa





Yesirree wrote in message

<1998082608291501.EAA04518@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

>Hi, My sister in law has two babies under two years old. The first little

girl

>never had any colic or other problems. The new baby girl has colic and

cries

>all night. She is wearing mom and dad out.

>I know how much ginger has helped my painful irritable bowel sydrome. Do

you

>think mixing a little ginger in some water and giving it to the two month

old

>would help her colic. Is ginger safe to give a two month old child? Someone

had

>suggested chamomile

>tea but mom wants to hear an authority on herbs tell her that it is safe.

Any

>experts out there? thanks

>please send me a copy of your answer to yesirree@aol.com

>"You are  a spiritual being having a physical experience and not a physical

>being having a spiritual experience."









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Subject: Re: mom needs help with colicy baby

From: Angela Sinclair <shorty@zetnet.co.uk>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 08:49:39 +0100

--------

I wholeheartedly agree about the benefits of massage, but would 

recommend finding a CIMI (Certified Infant Massage Instructor) rather 

than a massage therapist, who may have very limited knowledge of 

babies.  Infant Massage Instructors are trained by the International 

Association of Infant Massage and are qualified to teach massage, not 

just give it.  It is international - there are CIMI's in over 30 countries.



Angela



The message <6s2k73$enq$1@server06.ilap.com>

  from  "Peters" <peter@pcskillnet.on.ca> contains these words: 

> Massage therapy can also offer some benefits for babies with digestion

> problems .  Check with the association of Registered Massage therapists in

> our province or state for a local therapist  that can share with you some

> tricks.  There are also some excellent publications that will also allow you

> to gain some techniques. Good Luck.

> Melissa





> Yesirree wrote in message

> <1998082608291501.EAA04518@ladder03.news.aol.com>...

> >Hi, My sister in law has two babies under two years old. The first little

> girl

> >never had any colic or other problems. The new baby girl has colic and

> cries

> >all night. She is wearing mom and dad out.

> >I know how much ginger has helped my painful irritable bowel sydrome. Do

> you

> >think mixing a little ginger in some water and giving it to the two month

> old

> >would help her colic. Is ginger safe to give a two month old child? Someone

> had

> >suggested chamomile

> >tea but mom wants to hear an authority on herbs tell her that it is safe.

> Any

> >experts out there? thanks

> >please send me a copy of your answer to yesirree@aol.com

> >"You are  a spiritual being having a physical experience and not a physical

> >being having a spiritual experience."



















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Subject: Re: mom needs help with colicy baby

From: Pete & Janine <pjerlandsen@world.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 04:09:22 GMT

--------

Yesirree wrote:

> 

> Hi, My sister in law has two babies under two years old. The first little girl

> never had any colic or other problems. The new baby girl has colic and cries

> all night. She is wearing mom and dad out.

> I know how much ginger has helped my painful irritable bowel sydrome. Do you

> think mixing a little ginger in some water and giving it to the two month old

> would help her colic. Is ginger safe to give a two month old child? Someone had

> suggested chamomile

> tea but mom wants to hear an authority on herbs tell her that it is safe. Any

> experts out there? thanks

> please send me a copy of your answer to yesirree@aol.com

> "You are  a spiritual being having a physical experience and not a physical

> being having a spiritual experience."



When my youngest two boys were babies I used a homeopathic remedy called

Colic from Hylands for ease of colic.  I also nursed my boys and had

added fennel to my diet to ease the babies tummies.  They reacted to

when ever I ate onions or chocolate.  My niece was allergic to her

formula so if she is using a formula I would check into that.



J9



*** we are @ home for replies not @ world ***





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Subject: Re: mom needs help with colicy baby

From: jiastar@aol.com (JiaStar)

Date: 30 Aug 1998 17:37:49 GMT

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Chamomile would prob b a better choice than Ginger IMO



if she breastfeeds Mom can drink a cup of tea when shes about to Nurse





Blessed Be

Jia Starsong

Celestial Creations

http://members.aol.com/CelestialC/index.html

Wicca, aromatherapy, chakras, family and health issues, and more







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Subject: Re: You vote for the most

From: "Stephen W. Anderson" <swa@rockymountnc.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:37:40 -0400

--------

For me it would have to be either red pepper or garlic.





Stephen W. Anderson, Rocky Mount, NC



George Lagergren wrote in message ...

>I vote for Ginseng.











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Subject: Re: You vote for the most

From: davew@wizzards.net (williams)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 18:40:32 GMT

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Ma Haung







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Subject: Re: You vote for the most

From: Bluesman <sax50man@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:55:48 -0700

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>



Garlic capsicum hawthorn combination is the best.

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Subject: Re: You vote for the most

From: George Lagergren <gl@edgebbs.com.REMOVE.ME.TO.REPLY>

Date: 27 Aug 98 21:55:20 EDT

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HK> Subject: Re: You vote for the most Amazing Herb

HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)  wrote:

HK> Nettles (Urtica dioica / urens) get my vote. No doubt about it.

HK> Dandelion (Taraxacum) and burdock (Arctium) perhaps second,

HK> then yarrow (Achillea), and then Mullein (Verbascum).



    Henriette, what are the benefits associated with the herb,

    yarrow?



.. End  of  message

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Subject: Re: Natural Home Remedies

From: magyckme@aol.com (MagyckMe)

Date: 26 Aug 1998 14:17:08 GMT

--------

DireWolfer@webtv.net writes:







>hey all! i am looking for any recipes for any home remedies...(not

>necessarily herbal either ie: honey,oatmeal,garlic,etc,etc) i want to

>learn more about making natural cosmetics,soaps,etc and how to treat

>ailments in a more natural way versus commercially sold products...i

>will post some of my own "recipes" if there is any response to this

>thread!



One of the best facial masks I know of uses kitty litter. Get plain clay kitty

litter. Mix it with water to form a paste. Cover your face with it. Let it dry.

Wash it off. 



You can use your extra stash of litter on icy sidewalks or steps, or even stick

a gallon or two in the trunk of your car to help add traction under the tires

in the winter. Or, if you have cats, you KNOW what else you can do with it. ;-)



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Subject: Re: Natural Home Remedies

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 19:24:22 -0700

--------

I have some listings on my herbal site it is:

http://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow/apothecary.htm

and another site that has hints for daily living and natural health under

nature walk and alternative therapies is

http://www2.itexas.net/~beanie

she has several ideas that are not necessarily herbal, but work well...

Sparrow

HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow

DireWolfer@webtv.net wrote in message

<22313-35E33113-19@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>...

hey all! i am looking for any recipes for any home remedies...(not

necessarily herbal either ie: honey,oatmeal,garlic,etc,etc) i want to

learn more about making natural cosmetics,soaps,etc and how to treat

ailments in a more natural way versus commercially sold products...i

will post some of my own "recipes" if there is any response to this

thread!

thanx!



Peace!

~April~

Nothing left to do but

Smile,Smile,Smile! =)



~ Made With Love ~

http://www.cybersoup.com/box/ChinaCat/

















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Subject: Re: Natural Home Remedies

From: magiccarpet@my-dejanews.com

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:27:43 GMT

--------

In article <22313-35E33113-19@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>,

  DireWolfer@webtv.net wrote:

> hey all! i am looking for any recipes for any home remedies...(not

> necessarily herbal either ie: honey,oatmeal,garlic,etc,etc) i want to

> learn more about making natural cosmetics,soaps,etc and how to treat

> ailments in a more natural way versus commercially sold products...i

> will post some of my own "recipes" if there is any response to this

> thread!

> thanx!

>

> Peace!

> ~April~

> Nothing left to do but

> Smile,Smile,Smile! =)

>

> ~ Made With Love ~

> http://www.cybersoup.com/box/ChinaCat/

>

>



Hi! I've been making this kind of stuff for a few years now. Here's one of my

favorite recipies that cleared up my acne. (Note: I had been going to a

dermatologist for a year, and his harsh medication made my condition worse!)

This is especially good for oily skin, but can be used on any skin type.



1/2 cup ground oatmeal

1/2 cup ground almonds

1 tablespoon sea salt

1 teaspoon ground peppermint leaves (fresh, preferably)

1 teaspoon ground rosemary leaves

water or an astringent



mix all ingredients thoroughly. Take one good tablesppon of the dry stuff and

mix it with enough water or astringent to make a paste, and let it thicken

for a bit. Massage it onto the face (GENTLY!!!) and rinse off with warm

water. Follow up with a good toner (i love witchazel, and you can get it

almost anywhere) and a moisturizer. I had glowing skin after 1 weeks use!



I have millions of recipies if anyone wants them!



ttfn,

Christen





****dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today.-James

Dean****



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http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum





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Subject: Looking for herb to calm adrenaline & help nausea

From: "Craig Schaepe" <cschaepe@decisionkey.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:09:38 -0400

--------

My wife is a competitive dancer who has problems with nerves before

competing.  She has gotten to the point where she can control the shaking

and stage fright  but still gets nausea, presumably caused by all the

adrenaline in her system.  Once she starts moving it seems to go away, but I

was wondering if there are any suggestions to help the nausea or calm the

adrenaline without losing the edge.



Thanks

Craig

cschaepe@mediaone.net









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Subject: Re: Looking for herb to calm adrenaline & help nausea

From: sorry@nospam.com (PTM)

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:09:18 GMT

--------

On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:09:38 -0400, "Craig Schaepe"

<cschaepe@decisionkey.com> wrote:



>My wife is a competitive dancer who has problems with nerves before

>competing.  She has gotten to the point where she can control the shaking

>and stage fright  but still gets nausea, presumably caused by all the

>adrenaline in her system.  Once she starts moving it seems to go away, but I

>was wondering if there are any suggestions to help the nausea or calm the

>adrenaline without losing the edge.

>

>Thanks

>Craig

>cschaepe@mediaone.net

>



The best method would probably be to learn meditation.

Herbally, an infusion of wildcrafted panax ginseng, passion flower

herb and wild ginger root (asarum can. or asarum eur.). They can

all be purchased as tinctures and combined in a little water. 

Paul





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Subject: Re: curcumin/turmeric

From: sbharris@ix.netcom.com(Steven B. Harris)

Date: 26 Aug 1998 19:11:44 GMT

--------

In <6s138m$59e$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> ymlim0503@yahoo.com writes: 

>

>I think I have an inflamed ankle joint and would like to pursue an

>alternative method to healing.	I have heard that that curcumin is a

good

>anti-inflammatory agent and was wondering if anyone has had success

with it. 

>If so, what are some good sources for curcumin?

>

>Thanks,

>Y.M.Lim





   The only source is turmeric spice powder (which can be bought in any

store), or you can buy it separated, at 95% purity, in health food

stores.  Dose is 2-3 capsules a day of spice, or one capsule a day of

the 95% stuff, going as fast as you can to this much with each meal, as

tolerated by your GI tract.  The burning feeling in your stomach which

some people experience is not dangerous.  Turmeric has a far greater

safety record than aspirin or Aleve or Motrin, etc.



                                           Steve Harris, M.D.





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To: ymlim0503@yahoo.com

Subject: Re: curcumin/turmeric

From: Mark2 <mark2@email.unc.edu>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:49:14 -0400

--------

Tumeric!  That's *the* source!

> I think I have an inflamed ankle joint and would like to pursue an

> alternative method to healing.	I have heard that that curcumin is a good

> anti-inflammatory agent and was wondering if anyone has had success with it. 

> If so, what are some good sources for curcumin?

> 

> Thanks,

> Y.M.Lim

> --

> ymlim0503@yahoo.com

> 

> -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

> http://www.dejanews.com/rg_mkgrp.xp   Create Your Own Free Member Forum

> 

> 







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Subject: Re: curcumin/turmeric

From: "Richard Ogden" <pianalyt@gnv.fdt.net>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:49:26 -0400

--------

In <6s138m$59e$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com> ymlim0503@yahoo.com writes:

>

>I think I have an inflamed ankle joint and would like to pursue an

>alternative method to healing. I have heard that that curcumin is a good

>anti-inflammatory agent and was wondering if anyone has had success with

it.

>If so, what are some good sources for curcumin?

>

>Thanks,

>Y.M.Lim





Curcumin is compound derived from an extract of turmeric root.  Turmeric is

a spice that can be purchased at most grocery stores.  It is also the

seasoning most prominent in the golden curry powders used in some Indian

cooking, and is the spice traditionally used for both color and flavor in

yellow mustard.  Check with your health foods store - there are at least two

companies which market 95% pure curcumin in capsule form.  One brand I

believe is called "Turmeric Power", but the other brand is less expensive,

and is the one I have used.   It's hard to say I noticed any effect, since I

couldn't both take and not take it at the same time.   I mean, I think I did

feel less pain, but I was in the process of healing at the time anyway...

If you use curcumin, it is recommended that you take it with bromelain (a

protein-digesting enzyme obtained from pineapple plants), as some studies

suggest it may increase the effect.  Oils taken at the same time may

increase the amount that reaches the bloodstream.



You *can* use turmeric instead.  Unfortunately, to get the same dose as two

or three capsules of curcumin, you will have to consume several tablespoons

of turmeric powder a day, or maybe twice as much of curry powder, or maybe a

pint or so of yellow mustard... :-(,



Let's see, Breakfast: one 4-ounce glass of orange juice with 1 heaping

tablespoon curry powder added, 1 bowl curried corn flakes, 2 curried

scrambled eggs with mustard; Lunch: one ham sandwich (2 slices bread, one

slice ham, 1/2 cup yellow mustard)... I think you get the idea.



-Rich











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Subject: Re: curcumin/turmeric

From: Mark2 <mark2@email.unc.edu>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:01:28 -0400

--------

I used turmeric for a while and it wasn't as hard as you make it sound.

It mixes really well into grains, so it wasn't hard to put at least a

tablespoon into a bowl of rice.  Add onions, garlic, or

whatever, and it's a tasty dish.  By the way, I also put in lecithin, and

some flax seed oil!  T. also mixes well into marinara sauce, and other

sauces.  You have to experiment a bit to find the point where

it both tastes good and has as much turmeric as possible.  Too much will

make your food bitter.--Mark2



> You *can* use turmeric instead.  Unfortunately, to get the same dose as two

> or three capsules of curcumin, you will have to consume several tablespoons

> of turmeric powder a day, or maybe twice as much of curry powder, or maybe a

> pint or so of yellow mustard... :-(,

> 

> Let's see, Breakfast: one 4-ounce glass of orange juice with 1 heaping

> tablespoon curry powder added, 1 bowl curried corn flakes, 2 curried

> scrambled eggs with mustard; Lunch: one ham sandwich (2 slices bread, one

> slice ham, 1/2 cup yellow mustard)... I think you get the idea.

> 

> -Rich

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 







==========

Subject: Re: curcumin/turmeric

From: turf@mindspring.com (turf)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 03:29:38 GMT

--------



> I think I have an inflamed ankle joint and would like to pursue an

> alternative method to healing.	I have heard that that curcumin is a good

> anti-inflammatory agent and was wondering if anyone has had success with it.

> If so, what are some good sources for curcumin?



It is turmeric extract.  Best product for the money is probably Now

Boswellin, which is actually mostly curcumin. Antiinflammatory

topicals like Inflammactin will help, too.  



turf









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Subject: Lebanese Viagra herb Shrish Zallouh info requested

From: itsme@dds.nl (Aldert Hoogland)

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:51:02 +0200

--------

Hello



In a dutch newspaper I read an article about a herb that is used in

Lebanese folk medicine as a treatment for impotence and frigidity. It is

called "Shrish Zallouh" (Latin name: Ferula hormonis, it belongs to the

parsley family). 

According to the article Lebanese experst claim it has the same effects

as the Viagra pill, without side-effects. 

The part that is used is the root of this shrub, that grows at the foot

of Mount Hermon, close to the border of Israel, Lebanon and Syria.

Usually the roots are eaten after being soaked in wine, or are ground 

into powder that is put into capsules or mixed with tea. In Syria the

powder is mixed with honey. 

Does anybody know this herb? I want to know more about it, and

especially 

where to get it.



Aldert Hoogland





==========

Subject: Re: Lebanese Viagra herb Shrish Zallouh info requested

From: sir.coffee at usa.net (Sir Coffee)

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:09:39 GMT

--------

On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:51:02 +0200, itsme@dds.nl (Aldert Hoogland)

wrote:



>Hello

>

>In a dutch newspaper I read an article about a herb that is used in

>Lebanese folk medicine as a treatment for impotence and frigidity. It is

>called "Shrish Zallouh" (Latin name: Ferula hormonis, it belongs to the

>parsley family). 

>According to the article Lebanese experst claim it has the same effects

>as the Viagra pill, without side-effects. 

>The part that is used is the root of this shrub, that grows at the foot

>of Mount Hermon, close to the border of Israel, Lebanon and Syria.

>Usually the roots are eaten after being soaked in wine, or are ground 

>into powder that is put into capsules or mixed with tea. In Syria the

>powder is mixed with honey. 

>Does anybody know this herb? I want to know more about it, and

>especially 

>where to get it.

>

>Aldert Hoogland





This Ferula is probably Assa-foetida, a strong smelling powder that is

available in many pharmacies. Some of the indications listed for it

are frigidity and impotence. It is a cash crop in the areas mentioned.



To give a clue to its smell, it's also known as Devil's Dung.



Sir Coffee





_ _ _



The Old Man and the C:\





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Subject: Re: Lebanese Viagra herb Shrish Zallouh info requested

From: Mom Eve <knight@trilobyte.net>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 08:28:56 -0600

--------

A Modern Herbal by Mrs. M. Grieve has this note at the end of the article on

Galbanum (Ferula Galbaniflua): " Other species:  In Beyrout the people use

the root of F. Hermonic, commonly known as Zalou root, as an aphrodisiac."



Is this the herb you are looking for?  It is a member of the family

Umbelliferae (Parsley family).



Asfetida (Ferula foetida) is a commercially available cousin.  It and the

other speicies of this Genis are used chiefly for the lungs and no

aphrodisiac properties are attributed to them.



Scorodosma foetida may also be available as Sagapenum or Serapinum and is

said not to be as disageeable  as Asafetida.



According to A Modern Herbal, the species you are looking for is not

commercially available.  Mom Eve





Aldert Hoogland wrote:



> Hello

>

> In a dutch newspaper I read an article about a herb that is used in

> Lebanese folk medicine as a treatment for impotence and frigidity. It is

> called "Shrish Zallouh" (Latin name: Ferula hormonis, it belongs to the

> parsley family).

> According to the article Lebanese experst claim it has the same effects

> as the Viagra pill, without side-effects.

> The part that is used is the root of this shrub, that grows at the foot

> of Mount Hermon, close to the border of Israel, Lebanon and Syria.

> Usually the roots are eaten after being soaked in wine, or are ground

> into powder that is put into capsules or mixed with tea. In Syria the

> powder is mixed with honey.

> Does anybody know this herb? I want to know more about it, and

> especially

> where to get it.

>

> Aldert Hoogland











==========

Subject: Re: friend breaking down

From: "robt" <gem1@gremelect.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:07:05 -0700

--------



john s. flannery wrote in message <35E49671.55B9@zianet.com>...

>Friend has developed cyst on spleen and it will be operated on next

>week, prostate infection and now macular generative condition one eye.

>No jokes, please. Physically active, mid-50s. What dietary suppliments,

>herbs might effect or reverse each of these? Without getting into karma,

>what might produce such an array in a short time?

>jsf





1) Change diet first



2) then try herbs





Diet: all grains, fruits and vegetables--nothing but!

Its cured cancer!









==========

Subject: Re: friend breaking down

From: "Skip Adams and Leslie Adams, M.H." <skip@netins.net>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 22:45:32 -0500

--------



robt wrote in message ...

>

>john s. flannery wrote in message <35E49671.55B9@zianet.com>...

>>Friend has developed cyst on spleen and it will be operated on next

>>week, prostate infection and now macular generative condition one eye.

>>No jokes, please. Physically active, mid-50s. What dietary suppliments,

>>herbs might effect or reverse each of these? Without getting into karma,

>>what might produce such an array in a short time?

>>jsf

>

>

>1) Change diet first

>

>2) then try herbs

>

>

>Diet: all grains, fruits and vegetables--nothing but!

>Its cured cancer!

>

>

I wholeheartedly agree.  From my experiences diet also can reverse Brittle

Diabetes.  Eat WHOLE foods.  Consider lots of fresh juices as they are raw

and packed with enzymes.  Natural Health is a lifestyle, not a quick fix.

You will now if your friend is really serious about healing by whether they

change their eating habits, or not.  Then I would try to find an *herbal*

nutrient source that is organic.  I prefer Vitalerbs from The Herb Shop for

this purpose.  Then Cleanse the bowels.  Not a strong purgative, just a

mild, continual herbal bowel cleanser.toner.

From experience I would say that when several diseases occur in a short time

span, the body is really run-down and needs to be nourished!









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Subject: Need Herb Suppliers

From: "Bill Baker" <nospam@nospam.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:02:59 -0400

--------

I am looking world wide for farmers and growers of spices, herbs and

botanicals for my sourcing library. All spices, herbs and botanicals must be

certified organic with a minimum equivalent to the California Consortium of

Organic Farmers.  Wild crafted herbs may also be listed for our purchasing

department.



Farms maybe subject to inspection before being accepted as a source.



You may list your farm or crop at this web address.

http://www.healthybyherbs.com/classifiedpost.html











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Subject: red onions

From: mays@earthlink.net

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 01:34:38 GMT

--------

Would like to know if the rumored folk medicine is true about red

onion shells when boiled and ingested. If this is true what causes it.



Thanks









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Subject: Re: red onions

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:02:22 GMT

--------

mays@earthlink.net wrote:



>Would like to know if the rumored folk medicine is true about red

>onion shells when boiled and ingested. If this is true what causes it.



We're not aware of the rumor ... what is supposed to happen,

besides gas and bad breath?



****

Tsu Dho Nimh



The only good spam is Hormel Spam.





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Subject: Re: red onions

From: sunmachin@aol.com (Sunmachin)

Date: 27 Aug 1998 16:30:16 GMT

--------

rub red onion on any age spots , about 3x a day and the age spots (liver spots,

sunspots) will disappear, keep rubbing till they disappear. 



A quicker less smellier way would be to use fresh pineapple juice. 



Don't know about cooking them though. 

     





Need to Drill a hole? Check out my site: http://www.sunmachinery.com  Oi/gas

drilling rigs. 

                                               





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Subject: Re: red onions

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:47:53 +0100

--------

In article <1998082716301600.MAA03195@ladder03.news.aol.com>, Sunmachin

<sunmachin@aol.com> writes

>rub red onion on any age spots , about 3x a day and the age spots (liver spots,

>sunspots) will disappear, keep rubbing till they disappear. 

>

>A quicker less smellier way would be to use fresh pineapple juice. 

>

>Don't know about cooking them though. 

>     

>

Lemon juice will do the same job. none of these remove the age spots

they simply bleach them out. Lemon and pinapple should be used with

water its to strong otherwise. about 50% water to 50% juice. 

>

>Need to Drill a hole? Check out my site: http://www.sunmachinery.com  Oi/gas

>drilling rigs. 

>                                               



-- 

Shez                                shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady    http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/





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Subject: Re: Scars

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:00:14 GMT

--------

"John D. White" <jdwhite@texoma.net> wrote:



>I recently had major surgery and have a 6 inch scar running below the navel.

>As the surgeon used 'staples' the incision is really ugly and looks like it

>will produce quite a bit of scar tissue when healing.  Is there a

>recommendation as to a herb, poltice, etc., that  would minimize the

>formation of scar tissue ?



Here's the standard scar minimization hints - nothing can make it

vanish, but you can minimize it.



Wait until the incision is HEALED and the stitches/staples

out before you apply anything but a sterile gauze ... some of the

nastiest wound infections I've seen came from home remedies

applied too soon.

Until it is healed, avoid doing anything that would tend to

spread the incision open.  The less pressure there is on the

incision the narrower the scar will be.



WEAR SUNSCREEN for at least a year if the scar is in a visible

part of your anatomy!  The scar will be suceptible to

over-produicng melanin, and you can end up with a permanently

dark scar.



USe lotion (cocoa butter, aloe cream, squeezed-out Vitamin A or E

capsules ... whatever) and massage it into the scar area - the

combo of massage and oil helps keeps the area supple.



Don't panic about the way it looks at first ... scars are the

body's quick-fix material and your body will slowly replace some

(a little or a lot) of the scar tissue with regular tissue.

   I suggest that you have someone take a Polaroid snap shot of

it as soon as the stitches are out.  Put the picture away and

next spring when you are obsessing about how humongous and ugly

the scar is, pull out the snapshot for a reality check of how

much it has shrunk.







****

Tsu Dho Nimh



The only good spam is Hormel Spam.





==========

Subject: Re: Scars

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:34:03 -0700

--------

I have had four surgeries in the past year, and I greatly agree with the

massage.  Massage seems to be the best thing to keep the incision

from"scarring down".  As for the physical look of the scar, I have had great

success with a comfy lotion applied three times a day....

Sparrow

HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow

Tsu Dho Nimh wrote in message <35e4bbb1.1515252@news.primenet.com>...

>"John D. White" <jdwhite@texoma.net> wrote:

>

>>I recently had major surgery and have a 6 inch scar running below the

navel.

>>As the surgeon used 'staples' the incision is really ugly and looks like

it

>>will produce quite a bit of scar tissue when healing.  Is there a

>>recommendation as to a herb, poltice, etc., that  would minimize the

>>formation of scar tissue ?

>

>Here's the standard scar minimization hints - nothing can make it

>vanish, but you can minimize it.

>

>Wait until the incision is HEALED and the stitches/staples

>out before you apply anything but a sterile gauze ... some of the

>nastiest wound infections I've seen came from home remedies

>applied too soon.

>Until it is healed, avoid doing anything that would tend to

>spread the incision open.  The less pressure there is on the

>incision the narrower the scar will be.

>

>WEAR SUNSCREEN for at least a year if the scar is in a visible

>part of your anatomy!  The scar will be suceptible to

>over-produicng melanin, and you can end up with a permanently

>dark scar.

>

>USe lotion (cocoa butter, aloe cream, squeezed-out Vitamin A or E

>capsules ... whatever) and massage it into the scar area - the

>combo of massage and oil helps keeps the area supple.

>

>Don't panic about the way it looks at first ... scars are the

>body's quick-fix material and your body will slowly replace some

>(a little or a lot) of the scar tissue with regular tissue.

>   I suggest that you have someone take a Polaroid snap shot of

>it as soon as the stitches are out.  Put the picture away and

>next spring when you are obsessing about how humongous and ugly

>the scar is, pull out the snapshot for a reality check of how

>much it has shrunk.

>

>

>

>****

>Tsu Dho Nimh

>

>The only good spam is Hormel Spam.









==========

Subject: Re: Scars

From: Shez <shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 00:40:03 +0100

--------

In article <6s0v0b$f9r@enews4.newsguy.com>, John D. White

<jdwhite@texoma.net> writes

>I recently had major surgery and have a 6 inch scar running below the navel.

>As the surgeon used 'staples' the incision is really ugly and looks like it

>will produce quite a bit of scar tissue when healing.  Is there a

>recommendation as to a herb, poltice, etc., that  would minimize the

>formation of scar tissue ?

>

>

As soon as the scar has knit spread on either alo vera gel or plain old

fashioned honey. I used honey before alo vera was available on an

appendix scar that was preety awfull I was five months pregnant when I

had the appendix removed, honey softens the scar tissue considerably, I

would also suggest a week of drinking comfrey tea about 3 tsp, again its

great at helping you heal. 

-- 

Shez                                shez@oldcity.demon.co.uk

The 'Old Craft' lady    http://www.oldcity.demon.co.uk/shez/





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Subject: For low cost, not sure how good though

From: skeezix@csrlink.net (Ex Tea Drinker)

Date: 27 Aug 1998 02:34:10 GMT

--------

I was out at K-Mart the other day.  I saw a lot of good stuff there, St. Johns Wort, and 

other stuff, at very good prices.  I know, I know, now there will posts telling us all how 

those are not good, and for only 79.95 per month, we can order from The Pure Herb and 

Supplement Place, and rest assured and all that.  Yea, right.  



Before you go off the deep end, and pay a bunch of hard-earned money for things try 

places like K-Mart, first.  Pay 10 bucks, instead of 80, to see if those items will do any 

good for you, or not.  Of course, if money is not a problem then by all means go the 

website, http://bigbucks.taken.here.com and spend your heart out.  



Let us all remember, there is a market for this stuff, and it is a big market.  We, those 

of us taking these things, are the market. Someone is always trying to make a buck. 

Your health, and mine, is not the issue with them.  Big bucks is.  If you can grow your 

own herbs, do so.  You can do very cheaply, and probably get much better results.





-- 







==========

Subject: Mandrake or Nightshade

From: Timothy Langston <langston@ucla.edu>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:47:21 -0700

--------

I love folklore and find the folklore involving Deadly Nightshade and

Mandrake of particular interest.  I have accumulated much information

about the plants, including how to properly handle and respect the

plants.  I would now like to own the plants myself, but I can not find

anybody who is selling the plants.  I would appreciate any help in this

matter.  Here are names:



Mandrake -- Mandragora Officinarum

Deadly Nightshade -- Atropa Belladonna



Thank you

Timothy Langston





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Subject: Re: Mandrake or Nightshade

From: alcastellosa@access.ch (Crocodile)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:33:34 GMT

--------

Timothy Langston <langston@ucla.edu> wrote:



>I love folklore and find the folklore involving Deadly Nightshade and

>Mandrake of particular interest.  I have accumulated much information

>about the plants, including how to properly handle and respect the

>plants.  I would now like to own the plants myself, but I can not find

>anybody who is selling the plants.  I would appreciate any help in this

>matter.  Here are names:



We offer seeds of Atropa belladonna at

http://www.madlex.com/tac/ethno.htm



All the Best,

Mike



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Subject: Suppliers

From: Rachel Berry <RachelsTouch@involved.com>

Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 21:48:54 -0700

--------

Anyone know where I can get bulk baking soda and rock salt?  You can

e-mail me privately if you wish.  Thanks much all!



Rachel Berry







==========

Subject: night blooming cereus

From: "ma pickle" <ma pickle@teleport.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 05:58:23 GMT

--------

I've been growing a night blooming cereus for 3 years, came from my mother's

plant. Finally this year it developed 2 blossoms and they bloomed last night

and tonight. The blossom starts to open at dusk and by midnight is wide

open, and faded by morning., I cut the blossom off about 10pm and put in a

jar of water in the refrigerator. Plan to show it off at work tomorrow.



I've seen tincturs if this plant but don;t know what it's used for. Sure is

a neat plant.



Ingrid











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Subject: Re: ginseng

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:22:53 GMT

--------

In article <35E4579C.364828A3@pacbell.net>,

  Jerry Saldana <sad@pacbell.net> wrote:

> Can ginseng help improve a man sex performance?  And how much ginseng is

> needed and which kind?

>

>



Ginseng (Panax sp., i.e. American and Chinese sang)can improve sexual

performance, both by increasing stamina and increasing drive. This is an

effect which manifests over time (for most people), not an instant,

short-term effect. Half an ounce of ginseng in honey extract (the old

fashioned ginseng preparation), twice a day, produces remarkeable effects--

not only in the sexual performance but in general energy and well-being.



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Subject: ginseng

From: Ed Overbey <eoverbey@stepping-stones.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 11:46:20 -0400

--------

We are considering growing American Ginseng in the Catskills.  Does

anyone know of a market for it?



Regards,

Ed and Carole Overbey

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Subject: Re: ginseng

From: nexus@king.cts.com (Alan Pollock)

Date: 30 Aug 1998 17:42:16 GMT

--------

Ed Overbey (eoverbey@stepping-stones.com) wrote:

:We are considering growing American Ginseng in the Catskills.  Does

:anyone know of a market for it?

:

:Regards,

:Ed and Carole Overbey

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American Ginseng (Quinquefolium) is revered in many Asian countries.  It's

also appreciated by many in North America.  Nex





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Subject: Re: ginseng

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 30 Aug 1998 22:10:38 GMT

--------

>We are considering growing American Ginseng in the Catskills.  Does

>anyone know of a market for it?

>

>Regards,

>Ed and Carole Overbey

>-- 



There is a large market for it because it is not so easy to grow and the roots

should be at least 10 years old before harvested.



Good luck!



Belinda





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Subject: Maretization and ethics, was Re: For low cost,..

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:52:11 GMT

--------



> Let us all remember, there is a market for this stuff, and it is a big

market.  We, those

> of us taking these things, are the market. Someone is always trying to make a

buck.

> Your health, and mine, is not the issue with them.  Big bucks is.  If you can

grow your

> own herbs, do so.  You can do very cheaply, and probably get much better

results.

>

> --



I agree with this post, and think that this is very important, something we

must all be vigilant about-- the marketization of herbalism. There are many

benefits to it, of course: More of a market can mean better quality research,

wider availability, etc. On the other hand, we (or at least most of us) don't

want herbalists to end up with their hands tied by the policies of large

health care corporations and specialized to the extent that no one who knows

how to make their medicines also knows how to use them.  So many of the

people out there selling herbs and health food and the like are hucksters,

trying to take people's concern for their health and turn it into a nice,

profitable fear. "Buy my stuff. otherwise, you'll die soon". It's a bad

thing, and sometimes it's hard to tell who is honest and who is not.  Those

of us who buy should be careful about what we buy-- don't just go by brand

name, don't assume that just because something is made by K-mart that it's

not as good as something made by "THE ONE TRUE HERB CO.". Learning to grow

and gather your own herbs is also very valuable, because that way you know

exactly what you're getting and how it was made.  Those of us who supply

herbs and herbal products should be careful not only to excercise the

strictest ethics as far as what we claim, but should also make an effort to

vertically integrate our production processes-- do as much of the process

ourselves as possible, from growing and harvesting the plants to making the

finished product. That's the only way to really be sure that you know what's

in it.



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Subject: Is there an herbal pharmacopeia?

From: glupot@my-dejanews.com

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:08:50 GMT

--------

Does anyone know if there is an herbal pharmacopeia detailing which herbs do

what, which herbs can be used together, which herbs contradict each other,

which herbs contradict prescribed medication, etc.  I know it's a lot, but I

wondered if there's one repository?  Or, does anyone know if someone is

working on such a project?



Thanks



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Subject: Re: Is there an herbal pharmacopeia?

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 29 Aug 1998 15:01:54 GMT

--------

<<Does anyone know if there is an herbal pharmacopeia detailing which herbs do

what, which herbs can be used together, which herbs contradict each other,

which herbs contradict prescribed medication, etc.>>



There's a number of materia medicas, just published or historical19th century

(King's), that answer any or all of your questions. 



For a quick reference on contraindications and interactions, I like Brinker's

book titled HERBAL CONTRAINDICATIONS AND DRUG INTERACTIONS.







Regards,

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Subject: Re: Is there an herbal pharmacopeia?

From: "Fidla" <kavanet@hotmail.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 02:00:43 -0400

--------

There are a lot of good books.  The most complete book I've found is George

M. Hocking's "A Dictionary of Natural Products".  You can get it from the

ABC out of Austin, TX.









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Subject: Purtrains Pride

From: davew@wizzards.net (williams)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 98 18:40:42 GMT

--------

Purtrains Pride offers some awesome deals does anyone know anything about the 

quality of their products?







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Subject: Help/Seborrheic dermatitis

From: "Kelli" <applesong@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 15:01:11 -0700

--------

Does anyone know any herb/remedy that is beneficial for people suffering

from seborrheic dermatitis(on scalp)?

:-)









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Subject: Two Quick Questions

From: cuyahoga@angelfire.com

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 00:58:47 GMT

--------

Hi. I have two quick questions for all of you:



1) I heard something once about an herbal extract you could take to lessen

allergic reactions. Could anyone give me any more info? I really want to get a

cat, but right now my body wouldn't be very happy about that.



2) I finally have a new apartment with window sills, and wanted to start

growing herbs. Any herbs that grow well indoors in a medium amount of

northern light?



Thanks!



Kim

kisbell@law.harvard.edu



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Subject: Re: Two Quick Questions

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 02:40:14 GMT

--------

cuyahoga@angelfire.com wrote:



>Hi. I have two quick questions for all of you:

>

>1) I heard something once about an herbal extract you could take to lessen

>allergic reactions. Could anyone give me any more info? 

  Try taking echinacea for several weeks, then go visit a friend

with a cat.  I've found that taking low doses after the firsr

couple of weeks (400 mg a day or so) keeps my allergic symptoms

at a very low level.



>2) I finally have a new apartment with window sills, and wanted to start

>growing herbs. Any herbs that grow well indoors in a medium amount of

>northern light?

  Most of them prefer full sun and sunny south windowsills ...

but consider ferns.



****

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Subject: Re: Dream-inducing agents

From: "Derek White" <ddwhite@azstarnet.com>

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 22:28:52 -0700

--------

A cheaper alternative is to eat Top Ramen (or anything high in MSG) before

you sleep, works great.  I've also found Bananas work for me (potassium) but

it may be because I'm mildly allergic to them.  Gingko Balbo also works.  If

you're really desperate, just set your alarm for 3 a.m. -- that always does

the trick.

~derek



Shez wrote in message ...

>In article <6r19i1$25t$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

>writes

>>In article <6qt57q$t45$1@news1.iamerica.net>,

>>  "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net> wrote:

>>> Ther are several herbs for dreaming and memory.   ginseng is very good

for

>>> memory.  If you want a combination for memory  try this one:

>>> capsicum

>>> siberian ginseng

>>> and gotu kola

>>> For Dreaming you might want to try a warm cup of catnip tea before bed.

>>> Dragon's blood, myrrh, hyssop, and Jasmine are also good herbs for

dreaming.

>>> Annyn E. Mouse wrote in message <01bdc632$82935500$6b2cbacc@default>...

>>> might anyone know of vitamins, minerals, herbs etc which could

>>> stimulate and/or intensify dreams, or assist in remembering?????

>>>             ~Annyn.

>>>

>>

>>                I would also cite Solomon's seal as an example of a plant

with

>>this sort of properties. It's very good for memeory, especially memory

>>immediately following a head injury. I've used it before in conjunction

with

>>feverfew. If a person is too weak to take it orally, it can be burned so

that

>>the smoke will be inhaled.

>>

>>bentley

>>

>

>One of the best herbs for vivid colourfull dreams , or lucid dreaming is

>wild lettuce.

>>

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Subject: Re: magic mushrooms.

From: julis001@aol.com (JuliS001)

Date: 28 Aug 1998 05:31:45 GMT

--------

You might try two other newsgroups:



alt.drugs.mushrooms

alt.drugs.psychedelics



Some book stores may offer the information you are looking for.  Oh!  don't

forget to search the Web too.



Jules



>Subject: magic mushrooms.

>From: DireWolfer@webtv.net

>Date: Tue, Aug 25, 1998 17:56 EDT

>Message-id: <22312-35E3331C-35@newsd-121.bryant.webtv.net>

>

>hey i am in no way promoting drug use here buti was reading another

>thread on this..i have personally eaten mushrooms,.the kind that make

>you hallucinate...i dont know what kind they are or anything like

>that...where is a good source to learn more about mushrooms?? also are

>the ones that make you hallucinate all toxic and/or dangerous??

>

>Peace!

>~April~

>Nothing left to do but

>Smile,Smile,Smile! =)

>

>~ Made With Love ~

>http://www.cybersoup.com/box/ChinaCat/

>

>





Jules

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Subject: Re: magic mushrooms.

From: bentl3y@my-dejanews.com

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:30:31 GMT

--------

rum

>

> There are two kinds of mushroom hunters, smart ones and dead ones. You are

> pushing your luck. A common misconception is that any mushroom that bruises

> blue is a safe hallucinogenic mushroom. I have news for you, some poisonous

> ones bruise blue too.  Reread Audubon Field Guide and you will be surprised

> at the number that are poisonous. The trouble with eating the wrong

> mushroom is -- you only get ONE chance.  If you eat the wrong kind nothing

> short of a liver or kidney transplant can save you. The waiting list for

> transplants is long, you will die before then.  PLEASE be careful.

>



Well I'm not dead, so I must be smart. I've read the audubon field guide from

cover to cover, maybe 5 times, and I've consulted it more times than I care

to count. I don't hunt mushrooms for hallucinogens, I hunt them for something

to eat. Morel pie, fried chanterelles... I'd take those over a fit of

hallucination any day (I've tried psilocybin but it didn't make me trip). 

Once in a while, I do find a kind that's not in the field guide (especially

when I'm outside of its range). I'll usually look for evidence of animals

eating it, and sometimes I'll try it myself. Once I got one that really

burned my tongue, but that's the worst reaction to a bad mushroom I've ever

had. I knew a girl who vomited once from eating the wrong sort of mushrooms.

There aren't that many that will destroy your liver (The way *Amanita

phalloides* will), and even those can be often fixed by simple herbal

remedies like oak bark or nettle seeds. So the picture's not as bleak as

people sometimes make it out to be.



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Subject: Re: magic mushrooms.

From: noaddress@no.isp.org (AnonyMouse)

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:12:30 GMT

--------

On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:30:31 GMT, bentl3y@my-dejanews.com wrote:



>rum

>>

>> There are two kinds of mushroom hunters, smart ones and dead ones. You are

>> pushing your luck. A common misconception is that any mushroom that bruises

>> blue is a safe hallucinogenic mushroom. I have news for you, some poisonous

>> ones bruise blue too.  Reread Audubon Field Guide and you will be surprised

>> at the number that are poisonous. The trouble with eating the wrong

>> mushroom is -- you only get ONE chance.  If you eat the wrong kind nothing

>> short of a liver or kidney transplant can save you. The waiting list for

>> transplants is long, you will die before then.  PLEASE be careful.

>>

>

>Well I'm not dead, so I must be smart. 



Smart maybe, but it looks more like lucky. Some species, between poisonous

and non-poisonous, can only be told apart by differentiating the spores

under a 1000x microscope. I still have about 4 species in my freezer that

cannot be told apart from poisonous or unknown edibility. I am holding them

until a more experienced eye shows up one day.  There are quite a few in

Audubon's that aren't listed as poisonous, just edibility "unknown".  Tell

you what, you test those for us, okay? Be sure to take very clear notes and

photographs before eating each one so we'll know which exact species you

ended on. Those listings in Audubon's came from the fatal mistakes of

others.



>I've read the audubon field guide from

>cover to cover, maybe 5 times, and I've consulted it more times than I care

>to count. I don't hunt mushrooms for hallucinogens, I hunt them for something

>to eat. Morel pie, fried chanterelles... I'd take those over a fit of

>hallucination any day (I've tried psilocybin but it didn't make me trip). 



Same here, I suspect some people's minds are pre-shroomed genetically. I

stopped trying psilocybe's because they were just being wasted on me. Let

others use them for their intended purposes.



>Once in a while, I do find a kind that's not in the field guide (especially

>when I'm outside of its range). I'll usually look for evidence of animals

>eating it, and sometimes I'll try it myself. 



Wow, major bad move! I thought you said you were smart? (Again, this proves

you are just lucky so far.)  There are a lot of alkaloids that other

species can metabolize that are lethal to humans.  This is the main reason

modern science fails in it's studies using mice and rodents. We have

different genetic dispositions. Do NOT judge edibility of a mushroom (or

other plant) because some other animal or insect can safely eat it. Some

other animals go away and die after tasting a shroom too. Instinct is not

always accurate. Hunger can often override instinct.  Did you see a little

nibble on just a few? How do you know that animal is not now dead off in a

swamp somewhere? Did you follow it for a week to see if it survived?





>Once I got one that really

>burned my tongue, but that's the worst reaction to a bad mushroom I've ever

>had. I knew a girl who vomited once from eating the wrong sort of mushrooms.

>There aren't that many that will destroy your liver 



My reading experience differs on this point. Get more books, Audubon's is a

great field guide but not the final authority on the subject. In fact it

doesn't even cover all the species and sub-species. Just the more popular

ones. Talk to more experienced shroom hunters. Stick with about 20-30 of

the better known unmistakable species if you don't want to become our

surviving field tester for edibility. Odds are this behavior will catch up

with you. All you'll have managed to do with your life is become an

editor's change in Audubon's field guide to one line -- from "edibility

unknown" to "edibility lethal". We'll be grateful but not very much.



>(The way *Amanita

>phalloides* will), and even those can be often fixed by simple herbal

>remedies like oak bark or nettle seeds. 



Not even milk-thistle seeds will save you from many shroom poisonings.

Apparently you don't even know how dangerous your play with shrooms really

has been so far. I guess you know better than everyone else though. No way

am I going to convince you otherwise. I'm just wondering how long your

"good luck" will hold out.  Anyone out there want to start a little betting

pool on this individual? :-)  2 dollars says he gets to try up to 20 more

questionable species before he bites the bullet. Any takers? (I sure hope

he takes good notes so we'll know which "edibility unknown" line can be

edited properly. Otherwise it's just another wasted shroom hunter life.)



>So the picture's not as bleak as

>people sometimes make it out to be.

>



Better to paint a bleaker picture than have a bunch of dead curiosity

hunters all over the place. It's clear your curiosity is overriding your

intelligence too. Unknown shrooms are NOT something to fool around with

unless you want to put your life on the line in the great experiment of

"Edible Mushrooms". Yes, you ARE playing Russhroom Roulette. Too bad I

can't convince you of that. May your good luck continue.





>bentley

>





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Subject: Re: magic mushrooms.

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:18:05 GMT

--------

>"good luck" will hold out.  Anyone out there want to start a little betting

>pool on this individual? :-)  2 dollars says he gets to try up to 20 more

>questionable species before he bites the bullet. Any takers? (I sure hope



I'm on - I say 10 more 'edibility unknown' mushrooms and he/she's either a liver

transplant, a kidney machine case, or a goner.



Heck, I'd not even try ONE unknown species. FAR too dangerous. Too many killer

look-alikes out there.



Henriette



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Subject: Golden Seal & toothache

From: steve@tropheus.demon.co.uk

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 12:53:39 GMT

--------

Since she started to take Golden Seal my wife has had recurring tooth

problems. Over the last month she has needed three root canal

fillings. We think this is a coincidence but we need to be sure. 

Any ideas or opinions ?



Steve

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Subject: Re: Golden Seal & toothache

From: "Scott Lee" <sjlee@wwnet.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 10:09:41 -0400

--------

Actually, I have used Goldenseal to avoid two root canals.  I drink the tea

3 times a day for 14 days, swishing it in my mouth before swallowing.



The thing that I have noticed about Goldenseal is that it seems to gather

the infection into one area before it disipates.  It appears to get worse

before it gets better, but by following through, it has worked well.



Just my observation

Scott Lee



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>Since she started to take Golden Seal my wife has had recurring tooth

>problems. Over the last month she has needed three root canal

>fillings. We think this is a coincidence but we need to be sure.

>Any ideas or opinions ?

>

>Steve

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Subject: Lower Ones Sex Drive?

From: adias@interlog.com (Arthur Dias)

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:10:28 GMT

--------

Does anyone out there know of a food or herb that can lower a persons sex 

drive?















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Subject: Re: Lower Ones Sex Drive?

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 28 Aug 1998 19:47:34 GMT

--------



Arthur Dias wrote in message <6s6h91$8s3$1@news.interlog.com>...

>Does anyone out there know of a food or herb that can lower a persons sex

>drive?

>





Male or Female?   Remember that sometimes an overactive sex drive can be

evidence of some kind of irritation.   I have heard of a woman who developed

this symptom when she had an infection.   In the case of a man, it may be

more psychological than anything else, but it can be also a symptom of some

kind of imbalance or inflammation.



Regards,

Evelyn









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Subject: Re: Lower Ones Sex Drive?

From: donwiss@no.spam.com (Don Wiss)

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 15:34:28 GMT

--------

On Fri, 28 Aug 98 15:10:28 GMT, adias@interlog.com (Arthur Dias) wrote:



>Does anyone out there know of a food or herb that can lower a persons sex 

>drive?



Originally the vegan diet was introduced to America (by Graham) as a cure

for masterbation. It does this by sharply lowering testosterone production

in both men and women.



See: "Cerealizing America: The Unsweetened Story of American Breakfast

Cereal" by Scott Bruce and Bill Crawford (Faber & Faber, 1995).



Don (at panix com).





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Subject: Ephedrine

From: "Kim Triplett" <kardtrip@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 11:19:57 -0400

--------

Please help me understand (and excuse my spelling errors) Ephedrine used in

stacking is also Fenfloramine?  They are the same drug?  They are derived

from the herb Ma Hung?  If this is so, why take ephedrine?  Why not use Ma

Hung? Is the ephedrine in Ma hung in such small quantities?  Sorry if this

is a rehash of old posts. I have been trying to research these questions w/

limited success.  If you know any sites that might be useful I would

appreciate your help.  Thank you.                      Kim









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Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver (for Lyme? I think I found something better...)

From: noaddress@no.isp.org (AnonyMouse)

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 19:01:40 GMT

--------

One further note to consider about using an extreme fast to rid

an illness like Lyme and why it might (or might not) work for

you.



Anything that is living in your body is using your body's own

energy resources as its energy resource to survive. If you can

deplete the Lyme of its source of energy, you are weakening the

Lyme too.  I have a very strong immune system and constitution to

begin with, so it might be why this is working successfully for

me so far.  A tactic like this will depend on your personal

stamina, immune system, and conviction to stop the Lyme from

attacking you.  During this "fast" I become faint many times and

have to stoop down to prevent from falling. I have to stand up

slowly and carefully to avoid becoming dizzy. My heart becomes

arrhythmic at times from the low energy it has to draw on,

calling for a boost of sugars in some tea or other fluid. If you

are not sure of how well your body handle the adverse effect of a

severe fast (I learned to tolerate them during my backpacking

days) I would suggest you only attempt something like this with

intense supervision.



I tried to deal with the Lyme like an obnoxious house guest for a

long time, reprimanding it with an herbal or medicinal attack on

occasion. Now it's come to war. There are casualties in war. I'm

going to see if the casualty will be the Lyme before I am.

Self-destruct sequence engaged. If the Lyme don't leave I'm going

down with the ship and taking it with me.  (Hey, it works on

alien invaders for Commander Janeway(?) of Star Trek, no? :-)



This isn't too much different than how I would attack other

infections by induce a sweat and then climb into several nested

sleeping bags, staying there until I was sure I was going to die

from the induced fever. Weakening and then convincing the

pneumonia or other ailment to bail out before the ship goes down

with it. Cured myself of full-blown pneumonia about 4 times in my

life this way without herbs. I take stuff like this as a life and

death situation very seriously. My body is a very willing armored

tank at times ready to go to war when needed. I've had *enough*

of this game Lyme is playing with me. We shall take no prisoners.



Lyme? YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! One too many times. No more warnings,

the red-alert klaxxons are blaring, battle stations, we're taking

the ship into the heart of the disturbance ... neither of us may

survive, you surely won't without me.  If by chance I survive

without the Lyme (the only option now) I will be stronger for it.

You chose the wrong person to play with. I assure you of that.



Are some seeing dementia? :-)  Sorry to disappoint, this is a

well staged, well rehearsed attack of an uplifted spirit going

into battle. :-) It's all in the attitude that you pilot your

ship.



Ensign? Take her in..... 



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Subject: Re: Colloidal Silver (for Lyme? I think I found something better...)

From: "Yarrow" <nowingnuts@naughty.net>

Date: 30 Aug 1998 07:54:07 GMT

--------





AnonyMouse <noaddress@no.isp.org> wrote in article <35e6fe4c.13174480@news-

: Are some seeing dementia? :-)  Sorry to disappoint, this is a

: well staged, well rehearsed attack of an uplifted spirit going

: into battle. :-) It's all in the attitude that you pilot your

: ship.

: 

: Ensign? Take her in..... 

: ===================================

If one day you dissapear from Usenet we'll know that your starvation diet

killed you with possibly a fatal  arrhythmia.  But then again that will

cure the Lyme.  .....Since when does starvation cure disease...?  

-- 

Carol ....

*Only in America ...can a pizza get to your house faster than an ambulance.

~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*~~~*







==========

Subject: My Newest Project.

From: Graham Sorenson <Graham@fragrant.demon.co.ukREMOVEME>

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 20:33:32 +0100

--------

Hi Folks ..



My latest project is that I am trying to make as big a list of UK

aromatherapists and Essential oil suppliers as possible.



Currently I have 582 entries 



To see the list go to http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/ukaromas.html



or if you do not have web access I can send you the list. 



I don't charge for basic info. e.g. name of person/company: address:

telephone number: But I do make a very small charge for e-mail and web

addresses. 



Take a look...



ENjoy.



Members of the AGORA project (and others) are invited to link to it.

-- 

Graham Sorenson    Check out the new list of UK Practitioners & Suppliers.

The Guide to Aromatherapy AND thousands of links inc 600 Aromatherapy sites

and other alternative health sites at http://www.fragrant.demon.co.uk/

The Natural Oils Research Association Site http://www.acemake.com/NORA/





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Subject: king of herbs

From: willi <whoru@urgod.com>

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:54:06 +0000

--------

without a doubt, lophophora williamsii







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Subject: Re: king of herbs

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:18:11 GMT

--------

On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:54:06 +0000, willi <whoru@urgod.com> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>without a doubt, lophophora williamsii



Except that it's almost extinct. That makes it a BIG nono on my list.



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

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Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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Subject: Re: king of herbs

From: "Israel Iam" <WER1@prodigy.net>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 09:03:43 -0700

--------

The king of herbs by far,is what we call the lambsbread herb, " cannibis

sativa " having commercial,medical,material,and spiritual use ! All who

disagree,are drunk from the poison,and supporters of alcohol.Free up the

holy herb.



Iam



Henriette Kress wrote in message <3608a56f.103117934@news.eunet.fi>...

>On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 21:54:06 +0000, willi <whoru@urgod.com> wrote in

>alt.folklore.herbs:

>

>>without a doubt, lophophora williamsii

>

>Except that it's almost extinct. That makes it a BIG nono on my list.

>

>Henriette

>

>--

>Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

>Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...









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Subject: Ginkgo Biloba enigma!

From: Lesley <lesley@cpres.demon.co.uk>

Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 23:59:04 +0100

--------



Many thanks to *lendee* for the posting reply to *Seeking Info - asthma

& Greek oregano* of 4 Mar 1998...  quoted below from my achive:



15 DROPS of Ginkgo Biloba tinture does indeed significantly relieve my

partner's chest/ breathing constriction symptoms for 5-6 hours at a

time. The improvement is amazing but, as Ginkgo is advertised as an 

aid to circulation and memory, we are miffed to understand why?



Any herbal remedies for the catarrh? then he will be A1 :-)



TIA

Lesley



In article <01bd47c8$ce2367a0$ad7f5acf@lendee.erinet.com>, lendee

<lendee@erinet.com> writes

>You will obtain much better relief by using Ginkgo.  Ginkgo interferes

>with the PAF (platelet activation factor) that causes the bronchial

>constriction.  By inhibiting the PAF, the ginkgo prevents the

>constriction.  It does work.

>

>Jim Lavelle <zl@ameritech.net> wrote in article

><34FD9AFD.7A0E3960@ameritech.net>...

>> Requesting references to information about the use of Greek Oregano

>> to easy asthma discomfort.

>> 

>> Thanks you.

>> 

>> Jim



Lesley





==========

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba enigma!

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 06:39:51 GMT

--------

Lesley <lesley@cpres.demon.co.uk> wrote:



>15 DROPS of Ginkgo Biloba tinture does indeed significantly relieve my

>partner's chest/ breathing constriction symptoms for 5-6 hours at a

>time. The improvement is amazing but, as Ginkgo is advertised as an 

>aid to circulation and memory, we are miffed to understand why?



  Many things that improve "circulation" will improve circualtion

to the lungs ... hence the improvement to breathing because the

O2 can get into the body beter.



****

Tsu Dho Nimh



The only good spam is Hormel Spam.





==========

Subject: Re: Ginkgo Biloba enigma!

From: "The Puddies" <puddies@frontiernet.net>

Date: 29 Aug 1998 12:44:11 GMT

--------



Lesley wrote in message ...

>

>Many thanks to *lendee* for the posting reply to *Seeking Info - asthma

>& Greek oregano* of 4 Mar 1998...  quoted below from my achive:

>

>15 DROPS of Ginkgo Biloba tinture does indeed significantly relieve my

>partner's chest/ breathing constriction symptoms for 5-6 hours at a

>time. The improvement is amazing but, as Ginkgo is advertised as an

>aid to circulation and memory, we are miffed to understand why?

>

>Any herbal remedies for the catarrh? then he will be A1 :-)

>

>TIA

>Lesley

>

Hi Lesley,



The word catarrh is an old word, seldom used today.   Today we usually hear

about sinus infection or allergies which can bring about this situation.



I have my own pet herbal remedy for the repeated sinus infections I have

been troubled with for years.   I have posted it a few times, if anyone is

interested, I will post it again, or you could email me.   In general it

involves Golden Seal, Echinacea, Nettles and Astragalus and regular rinsing

the nasal membranes with Alkalol, a mucus solvent with herbs that works very

well, as well as dietary changes in the restriction of dairy products.



Regards,

Evelyn puddies@frontiernet.net







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Subject: Re: Checklist of vascular plants reported to be toxic

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 19:18:16 GMT

--------

On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 01:45:34 GMT, aki@musue.com (Aki) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



> Checklist of Vascular Plants Reported to be Toxic(So exercice caution

>with plants)

>         -------------------------------------------------

>

>Abelia uniflora R. Br.   Caprifoliaceae

>Abies balsamea (L.) Mill.   Pinaceae

>Abies species   Pinaceae

>Abrus precatorius L.   Fabaceae

>Abrus precatorius L. ss. africanus Verde.   Fabaceae

>Abrus puchellus Wallich   Fabaceae

>Abuta grandifolia (C. Martius) Sandwith   Menispermaceae

>Abuta grisebachii Triana & Planch

...

>Artemisia species 

...



That there list is worse than useless, it's plain silly. It seems that it isn't

a toxic vascular plant checklist, it seems to be a vascular plant checklist -

you even got potatoes, tomatoes and other vegetables. Sheesh...



- there's degrees of toxicity

- some plants are toxic in all their parts, others just in some

- it's been proven that research gives cancer to rats. Toxicity reports which

was arrived at by scientists by giving excessive amounts of isolated

constituents to test animals can't be trusted.



So, unless you specify WHY, WHAT, HOW and HOW MUCH, forget it.

And please don't ever again post 4660 lines of useless stuff to four

quasi-unrelated newsgroups. Some newsreaders get hiccoughs with that kind of

post... and it's a bitch to get them to stop - 'hic' - see what I mean?



Henriette



--

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Subject: Re: Checklist of vascular plants reported to be toxic

From: PRINTANT Philippe <printant@club-internet.fr>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 21:54:07 +0200

--------

Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> On Sat, 29 Aug 1998 01:45:34 GMT, aki@musue.com (Aki) wrote in

> alt.folklore.herbs:

> 

> > Checklist of Vascular Plants Reported to be Toxic(So exercice caution

> >with plants)

> ...

> 

> That there list is worse than useless, it's plain silly. It seems that it isn't

> a toxic vascular plant checklist, it seems to be a vascular plant checklist -

> you even got potatoes, tomatoes and other vegetables. Sheesh...



Hello,

I don't know for all the other vegetables, but :

- potatoes seems to be toxic if you eat them when they begin to root :

the concentration of "solanine" (an alcaloid) can be very (too) high.

- green tomatoes have a high level of "a-tomatine", an other alcaloid.

These conditions explain why (for these two vegetables) accidents seem

to be very rare ; so, you can continue to eat them !



To have more information, a french book (but i think you can have

english books on the same subject) is interesting :

"plantes toxiques - vegetaux dangereux pour l'homme et les animaux"

author : Jean BRUNETON; editor : Lavoisier TEC & DOC



Philippe Printant





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Subject: AHHHH!! Help the newbie

From: stoneheart@my-dejanews.com

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 05:56:25 GMT

--------









Hello,	I am very interested in learning all I can about herbs. Does anyone

reccomend any books or specific places to get information. I also would like

to know what to plant in my garden, there is sooo much to choose from!

Thanks.  please help,  Brian



-----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----

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Subject: Re: AHHHH!! Help the newbie

From: healingpgs@aol.com (HealingPgs)

Date: 29 Aug 1998 15:10:16 GMT

--------

<<Hello,	I am very interested in learning all I can about herbs. Does

anyone

reccomend any books or specific places to get information. I also would like

to know what to plant in my garden, there is sooo much to choose from!

Thanks.  please help,  Brian>>



Sorry about the blank post, the mouse ran away from me.



For books, most people like the Rodale Encyclopedia for basic gardening tips.

For preparations, etc., the works of Penelope Ody (MEDICINAL HERBAL) are

lavishly illustrated with color photographs. There's hundreds of speciality

herb books (we keep a constantly changing list at our web site) including ones

on how to grow Chinese herbs, how to make tonics or medicinal wines, scientific

references on the biochemical composition of botanical medicines and so on.



Usually, when a new person comes in the store, we recommend starting with one

or maybe two general books that really draw your interest (it's usually that

Ody book) and then build your library around a theme. You can, of course, be

like a couple of our customers and try to buy everything -- but be ready to

devote a room or two to your cause.





Regards,

Rosemary Jones, Healing Pages Bookstore, Seattle, WA

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/index.htm

Educational & Career Opportunities in Alternative Medicine

http://members.aol.com/healingpgs/career.htm





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Subject: Re: juniper governance

From: Angela Sinclair <shorty@zetnet.co.uk>

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 10:37:39 +0100

--------

The message <35E7105F.5423CB8E@symsystems.com>

  from  Michael Vernon <mikev@symsystems.com> contains these words: 





> greetings all,

> does anyone know which planet governs Juniper? Culpeper's CH doesn't

> list one nor do my other references.

> peace, michael



The Sun (with Jupiter and Mercury), according to A Druids Herbal by EE Hopman













==========

Subject: Re: juniper governance

From: ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk (Ian Hunter)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:37:33 GMT

--------

On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 14:17:52 -0600, Michael Vernon

<mikev@symsystems.com> wrote:



>greetings all,

>does anyone know which planet governs Juniper? Culpeper's CH doesn't

>list one nor do my other references.

>peace, michael

>

In the directory of Essential Oils, Wanda Sellar its the Sun.



 

Ian Hunter  ian.hunter@zetnet.co.uk 

            Remove the spam guard to reply

Aromatherapy E-Mail Discussion Group

http://www.users.zetnet.co.uk/hunters/index.html





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Subject: Re: ATTENTION EVERYONE!!!

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 29 Aug 1998 12:51:12 GMT

--------

>Hello Everyone,

>  This letter is to everyone who is taking any

>  dietary supplements, whether it be, vitamins,

>  herbal supplements, etc. The FDA has plans to restrict the amount of

>  information and access to the supplements that we freely take now.

>  I am posting this message, because we can do something about this. To

>learn more about this and also

>  to take action, go to the Citizens for Health website at

>http://www.citizens.org. Once you are there,

>  you can read what the

>  FDA is planning to do and you can do your part by filling out a form

>against their plans. The form

>  gets sent directly to the FDA.

>  However, time is running out! The FDA will only accept our comments

>until Aug. 27th, so please go

>  there and fill out the form.

>  They also need to hear from at leat 100,000 people to listen to our

>concerns! Please go there and tell all

>  of your friends to visit! Thanks!!!

>

>  :o)

>  Carolyn



So go out now and learn about herbs. Begin to study plants and pick your own.

The FDA can't regulate that!



Belinda





==========

To: Sunmachin <sunmachin@aol.com>

Subject: Re: Mean people

From: Sky <s1025459@admiral.umsl.edu>

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 08:17:21 -0500

--------

Sunmachin wrote:



> I think some people drink or smoke pot or something when they surf the web.



Sure, drinking can make people act mean, but pot?  Maybe I've just lead a

sheltered life, but the many, many people I've known who only smoked pot (as

opposed to mixing with something heavier like alcohol or cocaine, etc.) have

been nicer, more peaceful.  Sorry to b*tch, but I hate to see a beautiful

healing herb villanized because it serves corporate interests to keep it

illegal.  And if you wonder why I list a legal drug (alcohol) as being worse

than pot, read a summary of the World Health Organization's report comparing the

two at http://marijuana.newscientist.com (New Scientist Magazine, a reputable

scientific source).



> It always amazes me when people go out of their way to be cruel .



This point I very much agree on.



Peace,

Sky

http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Canopy/9125







==========

Subject: Info request;Ruam?

From: "Stephen coleman" <smbcoleman@worldnet.att.net>

Date: 29 Aug 1998 14:51:13 GMT

--------

I have been doing research on a pet project and need to know has anyone

heard of a plant called Ruam.I found a reference to it as being used by the

ancient Irish as a blusher for the cheeks.I would like to know what type of

plant it is,was it ever used for anything else cosmetically or otherwise,

and is it still currently in use(if not,why).

Any help would be appreciated.Thanks.

Melinda









==========

Subject: Looking for information on a plant

From: "Carrie Jo" <fattig@micron.net>

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 13:05:11 -0600

--------

Hello, I am looking for information on a plant that has been passed down

through my family.



I do not know where it came from, only that it has some unique properties.



We call it a "Sea Onion" and it looks just like a normal onion, except that

it is all green and sits above the ground.



It's uniqueness comes from the fact that it has "sucking" properties.  When

we get a bee sting, sliver, an infected wound, a boil, etc.  We slice off a

bit of the Sea Onion and apply it to the site.  When left overnight, the Sea

Onion will "suck" out the problem.  It is VERY effective.



It reproduces by producing "babies" which form under the skin of the plant

that mature and pop out.  You can plant these small onions and grow a new

plant.



If anyone has any information about this plant, including it's scientific

name, or other names it may be called by, or it's origin, I surely would

appreciate it!



Carrie Jo









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Subject: Re: Looking for information on a plant

From: lbkreuter@aol.com (Lb kreuter)

Date: 31 Aug 1998 04:22:16 GMT

--------

<<Hello, I am looking for information on a plant that has been passed down

through my family.

I do not know where it came from, only that it has some unique properties.

We call it a "Sea Onion" and it looks just like a normal onion, except that

it is all green and sits above the ground.

It's uniqueness comes from the fact that it has "sucking" properties.  When

we get a bee sting, sliver, an infected wound, a boil, etc.  We slice off a

bit of the Sea Onion and apply it to the site.  When left overnight, the Sea

Onion will "suck" out the problem.  It is VERY effective.

It reproduces by producing "babies" which form under the skin of the plant

that mature and pop out.  You can plant these small onions and grow a new

plant.If anyone has any information about this plant, including it's scientific

name, or other names it may be called by, or it's origin, I surely would

appreciate it!>>







  Hi Carrie Jo,

 

Your description sound very much like an Onion that I grow and know as "German

healing onion," Omithogalum caudatum..

 A friend of mine gave to me years ago.  Didn't think much of it, but since it

is considered an annual so I grew it in planters, in my zone 7 brought it

indoors during winter.

In 95 when I visited Well Sweep Herb Farm in Port Murrey New Jersey saw it

growing there, and was told it was over wintered in a greenhouse.



Its healing powers consist or drawing out stingers, splinters and boils.

Just last week I used it to draw out a splinter, used a slice of the onion

taped down with a band aid , it really helped.



  Herbally, Annette





==========

Subject: Re: Looking for information on a plant

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:12:24 GMT

--------



><<Hello, I am looking for information on a plant that has been passed down

>through my family.

>I do not know where it came from, only that it has some unique properties.

>We call it a "Sea Onion" and it looks just like a normal onion, except that

>it is all green and sits above the ground.



>Your description sound very much like an Onion that I grow and know as "German

>healing onion," Omithogalum caudatum..



Ornithogalum caudatum (false sea onion or "pregnant onion"

hardy to 25 degrees F, house plant, full sun, occasional water.

propagate by planting the little bulbs that fom under the skin of

the mother plant.

Can be grown outdoors in warm climates, as a potted plant you

move it indoors when cold weather hits.



WARNING: members of this family are poisonous, all parts.  so

apply it as a poultice, but don't eat it!





****

Tsu Dho Nimh



The only good spam is Hormel Spam.





==========

Subject: Ibogaine to cure Addiction?

From: Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 22:17:44 -0700

--------

Does anyone know if Ibogaine works to "cure" alcoholism and drug

addiction?

What else is it good for?  Is it safe?

What about legality and availability?

Thanks.







==========

Subject: Re: Ibogaine to cure Addiction?

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:21:24 GMT

--------

Cogito <cogito2@earthlink.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know if Ibogaine works to "cure" alcoholism and drug

>addiction?

  It apparently leaves the person with a "window of non-craving"

that is used to work on the causes behind the addiction, and to

get their life style straightened out.

  The most successful "cures" are the recreational users - ones

with no serious psychological problems who didn't think that they

could become addicted to coke but did.

  

>What else is it good for?  

  It is a shamanic drug - the original users were going on

"spirit journeys".  Few of the persons who take it report any

desire to repeat the experience ... it's apparently the ultimate

in wierd trips.



>Is it safe?

  The person who consumes it will be hallucinating for 24-36

hours, and MUST have someone with them to make sure they don't do

anything stupid, have a bad reaction, or choke on their vomit

(oh, yeah, you usually barf at the beginning).



>What about legality and availability?

  Illegal in USA and Belgium, hard to get except at certain

treatment centers elsewhere.



try http://www.ibogaine.com for  detailed information





****

Tsu Dho Nimh



The only good spam is Hormel Spam.





==========

Subject: Re: Ibogaine to cure Addiction?

From: eboka@aol.com (Eboka)

Date: 31 Aug 1998 05:45:19 GMT

--------

General Review of Ibogaine including history, chemistry, botany, ethnography.



http://www.Ibogaine.desk.nl/bwiti1.html

----------------------------------------------------

Scientific review of Ibogaine



http://www.Ibogaine.desk.nl/review-dotf.html

----------------------------------------------------

Use in the treatment of addiction



http://www.Ibogaine.desk.nl/clin-perspectives.html

-----------------------------------------------------

Religious use in Bwiti religion of Africa



http://www.Ibogaine.desk.nl/fernandez.html

-----------------------------------------------------

Miami New Times Article concerning legal cases between Deborah Mash/Howard

Lotsof/University of Miami and NDA

concerning stopping of FDA approved trials, breach of contract, fraud, etc.



http://miaminewtimes.com/1997/091197/feature1-1.html



Nature Medicine article on same.

http://www.ibogaine.org/naturemed.html



London Times and South China Morning Post version

http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/witter.html

----------------------------------------------------



ALTERNATE SITES



http://www.cures-not-wars.org 



http://www.erowid.com/entheogens/ibogaine/ibogaine.shtml



http://www.ibeginagain.org



http://www.Ibogaine.org



http://athens.dental.upenn.edu/tanaka/BIO_6/MARC/poli.htm



http://www.cures-not-wars/junkie/



http://www.nettuno.it/electric-italy/ibogaine.htm

http://www.aros.net/~lambo/ibogaine/ibogaine.htm



http://www.geocities.com/RainForest/Vines/8030/



http://www.maps.org/news-letters/ (search engine)



http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/  (medline search) 



http://www.uspto.gov/   (U.S. Patent Office - for Patent searches)







Subject:  Ibogaine list



An Ibogaine list has been established.  The list

will involve itself in the discussion of all aspects of this experimental

anti-addictive and psychotherapeutic medication,  including the that of persons

treated,

pharmacology, the African experience in religion and medicine, neuroscience,

clinical reports, behavioral pharmacology, psychiatry, Ibogaine self-help

groups and

more.



To join the list see instructions below:



> >send email to listproc@calyx.net with the subject blank and >with the body

> >containing nothing but the following four words:

>

> >subscribe ibogaine <firstname> <lastname>





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>======================================









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Subject: Salves & Ointments

From: "Roxann Bates" <r. bates@valley.net>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 09:42:19 -0400

--------

x-no-archive: yes



I am looking for a book on salves an ointments...how to make and how to use.

Any suggestions?



r *dot* bates *at* valley *dot* net

hey...don't blame me :-)









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Subject: Some sort of Polynesian Fruit thingie

From: jasmine <jasmine@sprint.ca>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:10:06 -0400

--------

Sorry for lack of a better subject line, but...



A colleague told me of a fruit (Polynesian, I believe) that is supposted

to have incredible restorative powers.  I've asked him for more info,

but he hasn't been able to get me anything.  All I know is that it isn't

readily available in Canada/US and a nursing home in the US (Florida, I

think) has been able to get some of its juice to give to their clients. 

From what my colleague said, this fruit sounds like some sort of

cure-all.  



Does anyone know what this fruit is called and what its healing

attributes are?



jasmine





==========

Subject: Re: Some sort of Polynesian Fruit thingie

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:15:28 GMT

--------

On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 12:10:06 -0400, jasmine <jasmine@sprint.ca> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>A colleague told me of a fruit (Polynesian, I believe) that is supposted

>to have incredible restorative powers.  I've asked him for more info,

>but he hasn't been able to get me anything.  All I know is that it isn't

>readily available in Canada/US and a nursing home in the US (Florida, I

>think) has been able to get some of its juice to give to their clients. 

>From what my colleague said, this fruit sounds like some sort of

>cure-all.  

>

>Does anyone know what this fruit is called and what its healing

>attributes are?



You've heard about the newest MLM (multi-level-marketing) scam, a fruit called

Noni. To me it's just yet another "let's make a -lot- of money off desperate

people" -thingy.



Henriette



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==========

Subject: Re: Tongue Cleaner/Scraper

From: toosmart999@juno.com (x c i)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:20:47 -0500

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>> What is the mail order address for the good horse shoe stainless steel

tongue scraper again? Thanks again !



The best kind of tongue scraper that is available is at this address.

Healthy Living summer 2, 1998 catalog, 1-800-800-0100, page 36, order

#23284, $5.99 plus $4.00 shipping and handling, total $9.00 dollars.

(Great Catalog)

Healthy Living

6836 Engle Road

P.O. Box 94512

Cleveland, Ohio. 44101



I also found a couple spin-off cheap ones yesterday at a popular pharmacy

chain where they sell water pik machines, but they don't do as well as

this mail order one above. The cost was $2.59 for 2 little straight

flimsy plastic strips, and another that has a handle and a fashioned top

piece for $1.99. This one immediately reminds me of a disposable razor

with the metal razor removed.  I purchased both of them, tried them and

tossed them away because they are not nearly as good. I imagine these

store bought ones are better than nothing though.



You might try calling this number to get one too. I think I seen the

stainless steel tongue cleaner just like we have now in their catalogue a

few months ago too 1-800-644-8327. This one is a strip of stainless steel

without the plastic handles. The plastic handles that might bust off

eventually leaving you without a handle,  I don't know for sure because

we never have used the one with plastic handles.

 The solid stainless steel one we use is 10 " long when straight and 3/8"

wide and about as thin as a plastic 2 for a dollar kind of scotch tape

dispenser, About as sharp too.



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Subject: Re: Tongue Cleaner/Scraper

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 31 Aug 1998 02:23:45 GMT

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Why do people need such things?



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel- How is acidolphilus?

From: toosmart999@juno.com (x c i)

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:47:11 -0500

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Buttermilk and Yogurt in the refrigerator department at the greocery

store is a good way to introduce the flora into the system.

Nature's Way has a darn good product. They are capsules of live culture

that won't break open in the stomach, instead, breaks open in the

intestine where it is needed. The stomach acids kill acidophilus.

Ever thought of taking MSM too ?



>

>My elderly mom has diarrhea problems because of IBS.  Has anyone had

>success with acidophilus?  (Am currently restricting her intake of 

>sugar,

>coffee, citrus fruit, diary products).  I'm also starting her on 

>enteric

>coated peppermint oil caps.

>

>



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Subject: Re: Hemp seed

From: "William & Kimberly Jarvis" <WmJarvis@email.msn.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 13:18:33 -0700

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No, the seed that can be purchased has been sterilized.



Kim Jarvis



Ian wrote in message

>Does anyone know if hemp seed you can buy in health food and pet stores

will

>grow a plant with 'medicinal' properties? Also will it grow outdoors and

>what are the legal implications in the UK?

>

>Thanks

>

>









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Subject: Herbal Formulas

From: Gregg Pond <gnbpond@snet.net>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:47:17 -0400

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Does anyone know a web site that can give me information on what is the

optimum ratio of grain alcohol/water for various herbs when making

tinctures.

Thanks in advance







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Subject: Re: Herbal Formulas

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:07:50 GMT

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Gregg Pond <gnbpond@snet.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know a web site that can give me information on what is the

>optimum ratio of grain alcohol/water for various herbs when making

>tinctures.



To make a proper tincture, use the highest proof alcohol you can

find.  



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Subject: Re: Herbal Formulas

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:44:43 GMT

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On Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:07:50 GMT, abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh) wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Gregg Pond <gnbpond@snet.net> wrote:

>

>>Does anyone know a web site that can give me information on what is the

>>optimum ratio of grain alcohol/water for various herbs when making

>>tinctures.

>

>To make a proper tincture, use the highest proof alcohol you can

>find.  



...for fresh herbs. You want the water to be either in the plant or in the

menstruum (liquid), so for dried herb it's usually between 50 and 60 %. But as I

said, Michael Moore's Materia Medica is a good place for tincture percentages.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Herbal Formulas

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 07:16:20 GMT

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On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:47:17 -0400, Gregg Pond <gnbpond@snet.net> wrote in

alt.folklore.herbs:



>Does anyone know a web site that can give me information on what is the

>optimum ratio of grain alcohol/water for various herbs when making

>tinctures.



Michael Moore's Materia Medica, online at

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE - go for the manuals.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Herbal Formulas

From: apuccoony@prodigy.com (puccoon)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 16:34:40 GMT

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On Sun, 30 Aug 1998 16:47:17 -0400, Gregg Pond <gnbpond@snet.net> wrote:



>Does anyone know a web site that can give me information on what is the

>optimum ratio of grain alcohol/water for various herbs when making

>tinctures.

>Thanks in advance



http://www.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/



Find Michael Moore's manuals and download "Herbal Tinctures in Clinical

Practice".  It's a wonderful booklet.  I refer to it frequently.







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Subject: Re: herb search

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 14:34:44 -0700

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There are many things to help asthma, but what type of asthma are we talking

about?  That would make a difference as to what herbs you would use.

Eucalyptus is pretty general for breathing problems, but many people are

allergic to it  and have the opposite reaction...

Sparrow

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Patricia Holm wrote in message

<4301-35E974FA-10@newsd-212.iap.bryant.webtv.net>...

Hi. I'm just leaning about herbs. What would help asthma ? Thanks.

Pat











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Subject: Black widows

From: "Rick & Rae Roberts" <deerxing@bewellnet.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 17:31:23 -0600

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So has anyone out there found a natural way to discourage black widow

spiders from hanging around the house? The house is surrounded with nests

and I have two young children so spraying pesticides is out of the question.

Would like to find something before it gets cold and they migrate indoors.









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Subject: Re: Black widows

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:16:10 GMT

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"Rick & Rae Roberts" <deerxing@bewellnet.com> wrote:



>So has anyone out there found a natural way to discourage black widow

>spiders from hanging around the house?

  I noticed that when a certain variety of spider (long-legged

web builder of unknown species) moves in, the widow population

decreases.  They may be eating them.

  "Tarantula hawks" - really a large wasp in the mud-dauber

family - hunt large spiders for their babies to eat.  Don't

destroy their nests, and make sure they have muddy places to get

nest material from.  Nasty sting on these.

  Lizards and birds will eat widows.



> The house is surrounded with nests and I have two young children 

>so spraying pesticides is out of the question.

>Would like to find something before it gets cold and they migrate indoors.

  The basic black widow control tools around here are the cowboy

boot and the broom.  Regularly move things, destroy their webs,

stomp the egg cases, and stomp any of the widows you find.



  They like undisturbed clutter ... disturb it.

  They like crickets and roaches to eat ... control these and you

have the widows under control. 

  They like moist cool places ... fix any leaky pipes.









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Subject: sorisis

From: "TNT" <TNT@disknet.com>

Date: Sun, 30 Aug 1998 21:16:16 -0400

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My father has a some sort of skin sorisis, has had it for several years.

Now that he is getting older, he is wanting to do something for it.  His

doctors had given him some pills to take for it, but they cost so much his

insurance would not even completely cover the medicine.



My parents were told that a tanning bed would help with the problem, which I

have my doubts.  It would probably give him burns rather than help.



I also looked through my herbal books that I have and found that Echanacea

and Gotu kola helped with sorisis.  My questions is:  Is there any other

herbs that help with this problem and What does Echanacea do to help and

also the other herbs if there are any.



Thanks in advance for any information.



Also I would like to know about any herbs that will help turn around all

symptoms of alergies.



TNT











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Subject: Dried herbs -how long can they be kept?

From: darkskies@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 01:30:50 GMT

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I have Mugwort (dried and sifted).  I have it in a plastic bag right now but

I am wondering:1.  What is the best container to keep it in? Is  a plastic

bowl ok?2.  How long can it be kept?  Does Mugwort go  *bad* after a certain

time frame?  Many thanks to all who reply!



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Subject: Re: Dried herbs -how long can they be kept?

From: "Sparrow" <Sparrow@itexas.net>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 02:20:02 -0700

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I agree with the dark airtight jar in a cool place.  If the container is not

airtight though you need to watch out for mealy bugs ( at least that is what

we always called them) you know like the ones that can get into flour.  This

happened to some mugwort, and some mullein that I had in a zip lock for

about 6 months.( I had forgotten about them because I had containers by

then)  In any event you can also use mason jars, just keep them in a cabinet

out of the sunlight...

Sparrow

HTTP://www2.itexas.net/~sparrow

darkskies@my-dejanews.com wrote in message

<6scuca$o7k$1@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...

>I have Mugwort (dried and sifted).  I have it in a plastic bag right now

but

>I am wondering:1.  What is the best container to keep it in? Is  a plastic

>bowl ok?2.  How long can it be kept?  Does Mugwort go  *bad* after a

certain

>time frame?  Many thanks to all who reply!

>

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Subject: Patchouli Oil

From: ChasNVic@IgLou.com (Ophelia)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:02:01 GMT

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Can anyone here tell me how to make Patchouli Oil?  I have been

raising plants all summer and they are large and vibrant and

beautiful.  Can anyone tell me how to use them?



Thank you



Ophelia







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Subject: Nicotine and Recovery

From: schmeese@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 04:41:08 GMT

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At my Sunday morning meeting today, I got to lead and of course the topic was

my quitting smoking.  I've been able to get back in touch with how impactful

smoking was on my recovery.  For me, part of being clean and sober is to

experiece all the feelings that I stuffed for years with drugs and alcohol.

Nicotine is a drug that acts just like other drugs.  It's not like I'm going

to go and change my clean date or anything, but I've felt slightly less clean

this past year that I've been smoking again.  I think this feeling comes for

many of us who stick around the program for a while.



I do need to pull my energies inward this week.  Am going to the World N.A.

Convention in San Jose next week-end.  20,000 addicts and probably half of

them are still smoking.  I was at the A.A. World Convention a few years back

as a non-smoker and did OK, so I know I can do it again.



I've discovered sunflower seeds!! They are truely a wonderful alternative to

smoking when I'm sitting around watching TV and stuff.  Have had a great two

days.  I'm sleepng soundly and waking up refreshed.  A Happy and Smoke Free

Monday to you all.



Leesa



I have chosen not to smoke for 1 Week 1 Day 21 Hours 41 Minutes 41 Seconds.

Cigarettes not smoked: 178. Money saved: $17.81.



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Subject: Herbal Aid for Impotence.

From: "Roberta Cruz" <rmc@ardennet.com>

Date: 31 Aug 1998 06:21:54 GMT

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Guys, I have discovered something a bit less expensive than Viagra for your

impotence problems, it's called Yohimbe bark and I know where to get it. 

Check out http://www.arden.net/earcandle/ and check out the page containing

herbs.







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Subject: Re: Herbal Aid for Impotence.

From: levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044)

Date: 31 Aug 1998 11:56:37 GMT

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Are men really that concerned? Should we women begin to post about vaginal

dryness and cures for it?



Belinda





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Subject: Re: Herbal Aid for Impotence.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:20:38 GMT

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levans1044@aol.com (LEvans1044) wrote:



>Are men really that concerned? 



Belinda - 

  There is as much funding in the pharmaceutical companies for

hair loss and impotence research as there is for breast cancer

cures.



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Subject: Re: Herbal Aid for Impotence.

From: abacaxi@hotmail.com (Tsu Dho Nimh)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 13:19:43 GMT

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"Roberta Cruz" <rmc@ardennet.com> wrote:



>Guys, I have discovered something a bit less expensive than Viagra for your

>impotence problems, it's called Yohimbe bark and I know where to get it. 

>Check out http://www.arden.net/earcandle/ and check out the page containing

>herbs.



Yohimbe has many of the drawbacks of Viagra, and is equally

ineffective in many cases.  BTW - most herb shops can  get the

bark, and it is also available as a standardized prescription

drug.  It may also be available in the national chains as

capsules ... over in the "men's fears" section.

  You have told us nothing new.



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Subject: Kava and Valerian questions.

From: b_rich2@my-dejanews.com

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 12:25:39 GMT

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Hi all, 	I am in my final year in a very stressful situation of doing

my final year engineering project and being a little behind where I should

be. I am working very hard to catch up. I am normally a very aweful sleeper

it usually takes me 2 hours to fall asleep even when on holidays and there is

no stress. So I have been using 1800mg Valerian tablets to help me get to

sleep and they do help but I still take an hour or 2 to finally fall asleep.

When I went to the chemist to get some more she reccomded I try a new type

that is Kava and Valerian, I'm not sure what ammounts it contains. I was

wondering if anyone else has tried this and whether it is better than

straight valerian. Also is it safe to use each night for 3 months?   I am

unclear as to what Kava is. Is it a sedative or a stimulant as I've read it

is good for relaxing, but is good for mental alertness. If it's a stimulant

it's not good for sleeping. Also is it safe to mix with valerian? I guess it

must be if they're in the same tablet.	      Another question, is Kava (and

valerian for that matter) best taken as a capsule (at least I can control

what dose I'm getting that way) or as a drink?	       I hadn't heard of Kava

until today so any help would be tremendously appreciated. Thanks in advance,

Bruce



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Subject: Fire Ant Bites

From: "Kathryn L. Morgan" <kmorgan5@bellsouth.net>

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 15:13:20 GMT

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Hi Everyone,



I was out mowing my yard this morning.  And stepped onto an ant bed.

Fire Ants. och!!!  Well last night I'd been reading about "Plantain" in

one of my healing herb books.  So I thought I'd give it a try.  And boy

did it ever work.  Within 10 minutes or less the itching stopped and the

welt went away.  To some this is a weed, and I thought so to until now.



Kathryn





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Subject: Tonic for Teens?

From: mpd@mindspring.com (Jim)

Date: Mon, 31 Aug 1998 18:18:32 GMT

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I've just returned from a DejaNews search that came up empty of

practical (for my purposes) postings. Even the few parts of the faq

that I found didn't address my search for a good "tonic" or adaptogen

for my 14 year old son. Is there such a thing that is generally

considered to be acceptable for an adolescent?



I'm wondering if there is something that will optimize his bodies

growth cycle. He's short for his age and maybe starting to grow a

little taller right now. He also seems to lack energy. His diet is

good - could be better but it is good - and no medical problems that

we're aware of.



I tried him for a couple of weeks last year on Suma Root because it

had worked so well for me but I become concerned about the small

amount of phytoestrogens that Suma contains. I didn't think it would

have a negative effect but since I didn't know for sure I was not, and

am not, willing to gamble with his health.  Are small doses of one of

the ginsengs a possibility? Your opinions/input are valued.





