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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Substitution for lanolin

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Wed, 01 Apr 1998 06:24:31 -0500

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just to note, there is also Shea butter.  I don't know what the source

is an I have never used it.  Someone else could possibly help with that.



Also, you can use a mixture of oil and beeswax.  



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From: "P.Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 00:13:58 -0500

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Planted my echinacea seeds today. Wish me luck.Echinacea purpurea,

echinacea augustoflia (needs to germinate at 40F for thirty days or more)

and new variety echinacea white swan. Tomorrow it is Black eyed Susans

(rudbeckia hirta and rudbeckia oddidentel )

and sweet basil and purple basil. Feels like an early El Nino spring.

pn



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> > Just need to check server status.

> >

> > sorry

>

> Don't be sorry Sam,

> I am overinundated with email since going to a Faire last weekend.

> Bought soapwort, A. absinthe, and Angelica.  (gorgeous red flower on

> that last)  Hopefully this weekend I will have MY yard done and work on

> the kitchen garden as needed.  Also have a workshop to get together,

> potting up weeds, who'd ever think?  :-)

>

> hawkscry

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] planting stuff

From: MAE <Etireugram@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:49:50 -0600

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P.Nighswander wrote:



> Planted my echinacea seeds today. Wish me luck.Echinacea purpurea,

> echinacea augustoflia (needs to germinate at 40F for thirty days or more)

> and new variety echinacea white swan. Tomorrow it is Black eyed Susans

> (rudbeckia hirta and rudbeckia oddidentel )

> and sweet basil and purple basil. Feels like an early El Nino spring.

> pn

>



Hey P.Nighswander,



Are you planting in a special box or containers?  I watch the urban gardener

tv show.  That Mishael guy has some good tips on planting in a limited

space.  I live in the burbs, but I do like to conserve space in my back yard.



What do you use?



MAE





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] planting stuff

From: "P.Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:26:48 -0500

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Right now I start them in plastic containers with tops on them that a

neighbour saved from cakes and chickens. It has a lid like the miniature plastic

green house.  I filled the bottom part with seedling starter mix. For the

black eyed Susan I'm just using little green planting pots and margarine

containers plastic ice cream containers etc.  I

live in the city too and had a huge basil crop last year from filling

three recycling boxes with earth and compost.  I don't know where I'll put

them yet until I see how many I end up with.  My small front lawn of 12 by 10'

might loose out to flowers. I have planted my neighbour's place with excess

flowers when I don't have room. He might end up with more lilies ,peonies and evening

primrose  so that I can have space for echinacea. I also picked up some wooden

packing  crates put some wood stain on the outside and drilled a couple of

holes in the bottom. I turned a wooden tool box into a planter too. The packing

crates seem like the best find., made out of new 1 1/2" pine boards and they

are 2' by2' varying sizes and free. They'll be good for growing something.

pn



MAE wrote:



> P.Nighswander wrote:

>

> > Planted my echinacea seeds today. Wish me luck.Echinacea purpurea,

> > echinacea augustoflia (needs to germinate at 40F for thirty days or more)

> > and new variety echinacea white swan. Tomorrow it is Black eyed Susans

> > (rudbeckia hirta and rudbeckia oddidentel )

> > and sweet basil and purple basil. Feels like an early El Nino spring.

> > pn

> >

>

> Hey P.Nighswander,

>

> Are you planting in a special box or containers?  I watch the urban gardener

> tv show.  That Mishael guy has some good tips on planting in a limited

> space.  I live in the burbs, but I do like to conserve space in my back yard.

>

> What do you use?

>

> MAE

>

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From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:56:59 -0400

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I have had good luck with germination of Echinacea seed  by soaking

overnight in a weak solution of seaweed extract before planting.

Donna in da mtns



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Subject: [HERBINFO] herbs,roses,bark

From: Pat&Theresa Madden <maddens@cdsnet.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 11:05:27 -0800

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Hi all, 

I have a couple of questions for you :D.  I have some rose bushes

growing around the perimeter of my yard.  They have larger pieces of

bark around them. No black plastic.  I would like to plant some herbs

around them to do double duty. -A- Keep the aphids from my roses, and

-B- harvest my herbs for my toiletries making.  My questions are: Will I

be able to put bark (the finer bark mulch) around my plants? Should I

remove the larger pieces first (they have been there for a couple of

years), or can I just incorporate them into the soil? Are there some

herbs (just the basics I would use for soaps, etc.) that I shouldn't put

next to my roses?  TIA



Theresa

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] herbs,roses,bark

From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 19:11:06 EST

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I plant garlic, chives and onions with my roses to deter aphids.

I have several tansy plants planted with the roses also. Tansy either repels

aphids and or Japanese beetles can't recall which or if it works for both.

Tansy dries well, looks real nice in arrangements and crafts. Can be used in

cosmetic preparations as well. Really smells bad, maybe thats why bugs don't

like it. Lady bugs love aphids too.

denise

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] herbs,roses,bark

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:28:06 -0400

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> Tansy either repels

> aphids and or Japanese beetles can't recall which or if it works for both.



I use Tansy to repel ants, just don't plant it near your peonies as ants

are the pollinators of such (I'm thrilled, first year planting and I

have blooms on mine!!!!)  

It may be aphids that you're using tansy for as ants will farm aphids

for the 'honey' they make.



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] herbs,roses,bark

From: "P.Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 20:13:35 -0500

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Bugs don't like lavender either. Pennyroyal too.pn



Pat&Theresa Madden wrote:



> Hi all,

> I have a couple of questions for you :D.  I have some rose bushes

> growing around the perimeter of my yard.  They have larger pieces of

> bark around them. No black plastic.  I would like to plant some herbs

> around them to do double duty. -A- Keep the aphids from my roses, and

> -B- harvest my herbs for my toiletries making.  My questions are: Will I

> be able to put bark (the finer bark mulch) around my plants? Should I

> remove the larger pieces first (they have been there for a couple of

> years), or can I just incorporate them into the soil? Are there some

> herbs (just the basics I would use for soaps, etc.) that I shouldn't put

> next to my roses?  TIA

>

> Theresa

> ---

>

> Wood'n                     Theresa Madden

> W - wholesome              maddens@cdsnet.net

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] herbs,roses,bark

From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P. Jasiewicz)

Date: Sat, 04 Apr 1998 21:24:35 EST

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If anyone out there knows of a good reputable source for seeds of

medicinal herbs and perhaps the name of a good reference book on

planting, growing, harvesting and preserving the same, I would be

grateful for any help I can get.

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From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 23:38:37 -0500 (EST)

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A GREAT reputable source for herb seeds is Richters:

http://www.richters.com.  (NCI)



- Ela



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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:49:18 -0400

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Companion plantings are one of the best ways of controlling SOME of the

pest population.  Chives with roses as well as nasturtiums help reduce

the attack of aphids.  Dandelion is essential for fruit set of apples

(yeah, I was mowing AROUND them yesterday as two of the three apples

trees are in bloom for the first time in four years!)



One of the methods that landscapers are bringing back are working

gardens, removing the boundaries... otherwise, planting your veggies in

and amongst your other plants.  this confuses the injurious pests as

well as adding beauty and texture to your garden.  Peppers and tomatoes

are especially inviting in amongst the flowers.



Marigold, calendula, petunia, geranium, and nasturtium are flowers to

add to your veggie garden, herbs to use amongst the flowers as well as

the garden are parsley, rosemary, thyme, tarragon, oregano, sage, summer

savory, and mints.  Onion, chives, and garlics also repel insects.  Bees

and butterflies are attracted to garden flowers and without them

pollinating the veggies, there would be no fruit set, so planting

scabiosa or butterfly weed would be as beautiful as advantageous.



As for your pine bark. I would remove it unless it is very old and able

to be ground up and incorporated into the soil.  For the manicured

garden, I would suggest a shredded pine bark mulch, or even better for

those chocolate addicts, try Cocoa Bean Mulch.... it degrades rather

rapidly and is a bit expensive, but ummmmm, smells just like chocolate!



enjoy your gardens, today is definitely a day of rest for me.  I spent 6

hours on my yard yesterday, planting and cutting grass and setting beds.

I don't work this hard on my job!!!



love and laughter,

hawkscry



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From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 22:28:36 EST

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<<  If anyone out there knows of a good reputable source for seeds of

 medicinal herbs and perhaps the name of a good reference book on

 planting, growing, harvesting and preserving the same, I would be

 grateful for any help I can get.

 					Thanks,

 					Andy>>



Johnny's Select Seeds

Foss Hill Road

Albion, Maine 04910-9731



This is my favoirte catalog. It not only sells organic seeds, but the catalog

itself includes the medicinal benefit of each herb. You can learn alot just by

reading the catalog alone. I cut out the pictures and words, paste them on

cards, cover with plastic and attach to a stick or keep in my files. If small

enough to fit on the stick, I place it in the dirt of the particular plant. It

helps me learn what each plant is beneficial for everytime I water it or tend

to it in some way. Hope this helps. 



Sincerely,

Pari

 

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From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:22:13 EDT

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Hello! Johnny's is an excellent seed catalog.I have also tried  Seeds of

Change.The # is18887627333. All seeds are organic and come with growing

instructions.Great little catalog devoted to "organic". Cool tools,herb

seed--both medicinal and culinary,flower and veggie seed,and books,etc. They

also have a web site.Check that out.You might want to call for catalog as

oppsed to sending for it via internet--might get it sooner.

                          Have fun, Marianne

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From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 08:35:21 EDT

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One problem I have with tansy is that it grows and spreads and spreads.I had a

small dried bundle last winter and it started to look haggard and I put it

outside and lo and behold it is coming up all over the place! So I may be

transplanting alot of it.Sure is hardy! I love the medicinal smell,too.Very

clean smelling.And will grow just about anywhere.

                          Marianne

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] herbs,roses,bark

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 14:27:20 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@Majordomo.net

>One problem I have with tansy is that it grows and spreads and spreads.I

had a

small dried bundle last winter and it started to look haggard and I put it

outside and lo and behold it is coming up all over the place! So I may be

transplanting alot of it.Sure is hardy! I love the medicinal smell,too.Very

clean smelling.And will grow just about anywhere.

                          Marianne<



Tansy is the one that you don't want to get loose.  It is really bad for

cattle.  I can't remember the whole story, maybe someone else does.  

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

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From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:22:19 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-05 14:29:01 EDT, you write:



<< Tansy is the one that you don't want to get loose.  It is really bad for

 cattle.  I can't remember the whole story, maybe someone else does.  

 Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue >>



Tansy like rue it is toxic and can make cattle or people very sick.

denise

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From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:20:01 -0400

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>< Tansy is the one that you don't want to get loose.  It is really bad for

 cattle.  I can't remember the whole story, maybe someone else does.  

 Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue >>



Tansy like rue it is toxic and can make cattle or people very sick.

denise<



I knew there was a big reason that Tansy was not on my huge list of herbs

that I grow !  Thanks for reminding me.  Also,  I am really allergic to Rue

after being poisoned by it like poison oak or ivy.



Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 06:25:18 -0400

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> Also,  I am really allergic to Rue

> after being poisoned by it like poison oak or ivy.

> 



Rue has a volatile oil that will cause a reaction similar to poison

oak/ivy or the fall red of Virginia creeper (five leaves, but when it

turns red in the fall gives off a toxin that causes dermititis)

Rue should NEVER be handled in hot sun or when you are sweaty.  this is

when you get the reactions.  I love my rue in the garden, it is just a

bit particular in handling.  :-]



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Date: Sat, 4 Apr 1998 17:42:26 EST

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In a message dated 98-04-03 18:31:38 EST, you write:



<< 

 Don't be sorry Sam,

 I am overinundated with email since going to a Faire last weekend. 

 Bought soapwort, A. absinthe, and Angelica.  (gorgeous red flower on

 that last)  Hopefully this weekend I will have MY yard done and work on

 the kitchen garden as needed.  Also have a workshop to get together,

 potting up weeds, who'd ever think?  :-)

 

 hawkscry >>



Hi,

I have been spending (almost) all of my time outside trying to get some new

garden space ready.  I have not been able to keep up with my email and this is

the first day I have been online since Weds.



I am really excited about expanding my herb gardens.  I also can't wait to

start wildcrafting.



Sydney

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From: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 08:21:44 -0700

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SSchuy2011 wrote:

> 

> In a message dated 98-04-03 18:31:38 EST, you write:

> 

> <<

>  Don't be sorry Sam,

>  I am overinundated with email since going to a Faire last weekend.

>  Bought soapwort, A. absinthe, and Angelica.  (gorgeous red flower on

>  that last)  Hopefully this weekend I will have MY yard done and work on

>  the kitchen garden as needed.  Also have a workshop to get together,

>  potting up weeds, who'd ever think?  :-)

> 

>  hawkscry >>

> 

> Hi,

> I have been spending (almost) all of my time outside trying to get some new

> garden space ready.  I have not been able to keep up with my email and this is

> the first day I have been online since Weds.

> 

> I am really excited about expanding my herb gardens.  I also can't wait to

> start wildcrafting.

> 

> Sydney

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Dear List:



Hello, I'm a new member to your merry bunch.  My name is Jodi Yeager aka

MamaJo.  I'm a soapmaker, like to play with aromatherapy, and love to

grow herbs.  My herb garden will be expanding by 20 new herbs this year.

Here is a list:



2 varieties of basil

calendula

chamomile

comfrey

echinacea

feverfew

scented geranium

hyssop 

5 varieties of lavender (a girl can't have too much lavender or too many

roses, I have 40 roses and growing)

pyrethrum

saponaria

valerian



I am rather compulsive as you may have noticed, but I love my herbs.  We

bought a 1.14 acre plot of ground so mama can tear out the lawn and

plan-plant-plant!!!



I am married, and have two girls.  Maria is 12 and Anna is turning 11 on

Easter Sunday.



I am an accountant by trade, to pay for my hobbies and am studying for

the CPA exam.  I got my accounting degree last September.



Hello to all and have a great day.



Peace,

Jodi

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From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P Jasiewicz)

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 15:21:18 -0700

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HELP! While I have had considerable experience in years past wiith

vegetable gardening, I have never grown herbs. (except maybe mint and

chives)

I went to Richters web site and browsed around and found a few things

that interest me. Due to the time of the year it appears that I would be

better off just buying plants for the perrenials(Comfrey, Echinacea,

Mugwort, Marshmallow, Scullcap, & St. Johns wort). If I purchase two of

each type of plant will they spread like mint? I want to have a

sufficient amount for my needs but there's no sense buying ten plants to

start if it's going to spread on it's own in a year or two. Chamomile is

listed as an annual which reseeds itself? Does this mean that I can just

leave the planted bed alone from year to year and it will automatically

reseed and reproduce on it's own? I'd really appreciate any and all input

anyone may care to give me.

					Andy Jasiewicz

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Tinctures- alcohol and alternatives

From: creationsgarden@juno.com (Karen S Vaughan)

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:11:58 -0400

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I wanted to suggest that unless a person has a serious alcohol problem

that glycerine tinctures (glycerites) are not necessarily better for the

liver than alcohol tinctures, even for children.  The exception would be

a child young enough to breastfeed, in which case I would give the mother

the alcohol tincture and let the child get it through the breastmilk.  



Alcohol is the best overall extracting agent for a wide variety of plant

materials.  Glycerine is less effective and glycerites must generally be

taken in greater doses.  Vinegars do not extract nearly as well and are

not as stable but can be useful for many of the food/tonic herbs,

especially those needed for minerals.  Honey extracts even less but can

be useful for getting herbs into children, especially when mixed with a

powdered herb into an electuary, which is a spread-like consistency.



Glycerine is a fat which must be metabolized by the liver and is not

particularly easy on it.  Alcohol, in contrast is absorbed through the

walls of the stomach and is quickly dispersed into the body.  The alcohol

tinctures are faster absorbed and carried to different parts of the body

because the fat digestion is not involved.  Evaporating the tincture in

hot water does slow down the dispersal process and may require a larger

dose.  Each method has its cost to the body, but I suspect that alcohol

is relatively more benign than glycerine.



Diabetics are probably better off with an alcohol tincture than a

glycerite since the small amount of alcohol which is quickly dispersed is

probably not going to trigger much of a pancreatic reaction.  Those with

advanced disease may do better with infusions or other non-sugary forms.



Alcoholics have a special situation and it is best left up to their own

judgement.  Many alcoholics are not triggered by tinctures and, as Susun

Weed points out, a normal dose of tincture in a cup of water is a

homeopathic dose of a treatment for alcoholism.  Still many will not be

comfortable using tinctures.  Teas, vinegars, electuaries,  infusions and

infusion baths may be best if their liver function is impaired, with

glycerites as a possible substitute in those cases where water, honey or

vinegar extracts cannot be used effectively. 



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From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 08:08:14 EDT

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What about using vinegar as an alternative to making tinctures? I have done

this and it worked quite well. I don't know the comparison though, as some

swear by alcohol. Any opinions out there?



Pari

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From: Viper0603 <Viper0603@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:20:22 EDT

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I just read on on of my other lists that Echinacea shouldn't be used by anyone

with immune system problems..I have asthma..What's everybody's views on this?

diana

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 06:21:11 -0400

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> I just read on on of my other lists that Echinacea shouldn't be used by anyone

> with immune system problems.



Echinacea is one of the plants most highly recommended for

immuno-deficiencies.  

Asthma sufferers should avoid Chamomile, especially if they are allergic

to ragweed.



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From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:29:24 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-05 15:21:40 EDT, you write:



<< Chamomile is

 listed as an annual which reseeds itself? Does this mean that I can just

 leave the planted bed alone from year to year and it will automatically

 reseed and reproduce on it's own? I'd really appreciate any and all input

 anyone may care to give me.

 					Andy Jasiewicz >>



Andy yes, I leave all my plants to seed over winter you would be suprised to

see what comes up the next year.

I have also been to the site, do not want 10 plants either. Maybe someone can

suggest an herb nursery that does not require a minimum purchase.

denise

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From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:38:05 -0400 (EDT)

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I don't believe Richter's has a minimum order.  You can "visit" them at

www.richters.com.  I've heard fabulous things about them, and just placed

my first order with them a week ago.  I can't wait to get it!  The catalog

alone was just stunning!



- Ela



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From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:43:33 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-05 19:40:14 EDT, you write:



<< I don't believe Richter's has a minimum order.  >>



I think you must purchase 6 or 10 plants, cannot remember.

denise

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 06:28:54 -0400

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>  Will the perennials

> spread and multiply on their own like mint does? If so, will they all do

> it? Or does each herb reproduce differently?



:-]   NOTHING spreads like mint.  hehehe

Some perenniels will spread but not voraciously.  Echinacea is a slow

spreader, but reseeds as well.  Milk thistle if left to seed will take

over.  Mullein is another that seeds and will run away with you....

fever few is another that is easily maintained as is calendula.



give yourself a couple of years and you'll see for yourself.  Also

plants will do better in certain areas, so if you transplant

occassionally to another part of the yard they will react differently.



have fun,

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From: "Jan Schmidt" <jans@rnet.com>

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 07:22:12 -0500

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Andy,

 Perennials do spread, each at it's own pace. Very few things spread like

mints. There are a few and if you look at catalog descriptions they are

listed as invasive or rapid growers. I will list a few that have a

reputation for this: Fern Leaf yarrow, Tansy, Comfrey, armetisias, and

catnip, catmint and my lab's ears are multiplying at a rapid rate. Another

quick grower and spreader is lemon balm and feverfew. My Echinacea does not

spread rapidly, although you may plant the cones actually seed heads for

the next years growth. The roots typically need 3 years before harvesting.

I am sure there are many others on this list who can help you more than I.

HTH,

Jan S.





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Subject: [HERBINFO] Henna

From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:50:01 EDT

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Can natural (or neutral) henna be used on chemical processed hair?



denise

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From: Pat&Theresa Madden <maddens@cdsnet.net>

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 16:54:48 -0700

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Sue wrote:

> 

> Tansy is the one that you don't want to get loose.  It is really bad for

> cattle.  I can't remember the whole story, maybe someone else does.  =

   

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Richter's, once again

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 19:58:41 -0400 (EDT)

--------



Hmmm .. I found my Richter's catalog.  The "minimums" rules are a bit

convoluted.  Here's what it says:



Potted plants - minimum of 6 potted plants

Plug tray - mimimum of 2 trays

Rose order - mimimum of 3 roses



Then there are some other charges, including $4 handling charge if your

order is less than $40 (no charge if over $40), and a $2 per plant packing

fee for international orders.  (International means "outside of North

America", since they are based in Canada).



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From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Sun, 5 Apr 1998 20:20:14 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@Majordomo.net

>Due to the time of the year it appears that I would be

better off just buying plants for the perrenials(Comfrey, Echinacea,

Mugwort, Marshmallow, Scullcap, & St. Johns wort). If I purchase two of

each type of plant will they spread like mint? I want to have a

sufficient amount for my needs but there's no sense buying ten plants to

start if it's going to spread on it's own in a year or two. Chamomile is

listed as an annual which reseeds itself? Does this mean that I can just

leave the planted bed alone from year to year and it will automatically

reseed and reproduce on it's own? I'd really appreciate any and all input

anyone may care to give me.

                                        Andy Jasiewicz<



Andy, I would suggest that you buy one mugwort plant or two and only one

comfrey plant.  They do spread when they are happy.  The echinacea plant

takes several years before you harvest the roots, but it does goe to seed

and will start new ones and you can pick the seed and plant yourself.  ( It

takes a long time ) The marshmallow is a huge plant and probably two would

do for you.  The scullcap is a tiny plant will dainty flowers and leaves. 

I have about four and would like to have many more.  I bought starters, but

we will see how many I have this year when it comes back up. The

marshmallow, scullcap, echinacea, comfrey, and SJW all go back to the earth

in the winter.  My mugwort stays around all year here in California.   St.

John's wort spreads if it is happy, but you may want several plants if you

have lots of room.  Now German Chamomile is pretty touchy here in

California.  I have to buy new plants every year and I should probably

start them by seed for economy sake.  I have to start new with my basil

each year too, except for a few volunteers from the year before.

Happy planting!

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P. Jasiewicz)

Date: Sun, 05 Apr 1998 20:30:44 EDT

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Thanks for the response. Now the other question. Will the perennials

spread and multiply on their own like mint does? If so, will they all do

it? Or does each herb reproduce differently?

				Andy Jasiewicz

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Chamomile for asthma sufferers

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 06:34:07 -0400 (EDT)

--------



What about the use of chamomile in asthma sufferers who are NOT allergic

to ragweed?  Is that okay?



I ask because I have asthma, but just tested negative in my allergy tests

to ragweed.  I drink and use TONS of chamomile (shampoo, infused

moisturizing oil, soap, etc.), so I'd be curious to hear if I'm not

supposed to be doing that.  Thanks!



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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 06:41:12 -0400

--------

> What about the use of chamomile in asthma sufferers who are NOT allergic

> to ragweed?  Is that okay?

> 

> I ask because I have asthma, but just tested negative in my allergy tests

> to ragweed.  I drink and use TONS of chamomile (shampoo, infused

> moisturizing oil, soap, etc.), so I'd be curious to hear if I'm not

> supposed to be doing that.  Thanks!



I wouldn't worry about it then.  I don't know how you would patch test

an herb to find out if you were allergic to it.  Perhaps placing some on

your tongue?  What about it Sue?



If you've got Purple Cone Flower growing near you, I guess you could go

and smell it, if you have a reaction then I would avoid it, but I've

never come across anyone having allergic reaction to E.purpurea or

E.angustifolia. (purple cone flower)



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Chamomile for asthma sufferers

From: "P.Nighswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 18:00:28 -0400

--------

I have asthma, allergies to ragwee, goldenrod, hayfever and I use

chamomile

without any side effects. I also use echinecea sometimes. Also

echinacea

makes me less allergic to things.

pn



Ela Heyn wrote:



> What about the use of chamomile in asthma sufferers who are NOT allergic

> to ragweed?  Is that okay?

>

> I ask because I have asthma, but just tested negative in my allergy tests

> to ragweed.  I drink and use TONS of chamomile (shampoo, infused

> moisturizing oil, soap, etc.), so I'd be curious to hear if I'm not

> supposed to be doing that.  Thanks!

>

> - Ela

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Subject: [HERBINFO] What dissolves what

From: Gilbert Arnold <arnoldg@EM.AGR.CA>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 10:01:54 -0400

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Plant Chemistry; phytochemicals and solvents



Every now and then I post this; those who are intent on giving advice to

newbies should read this and also get a copy of "Natural Products, A

Laboratory Guide" by Raphael Ikan.



There are a variety of solvents used as extraction agents for

phytochemicals; water, alcohol, glycerine, vinegar, oils(fixed and volitile)

& fats, organic acids, ethers, caustics, mineral acids, metabolic fluids

(plant and animal) and various combinations of the above.  We will be

concerning ourselves with the following; 



water, alcohol, glycerine, vinegar, oils(fixed and volatile) & fats.







From;http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Colleges/LFSC/life_sciences/.plant_biology/Medicinals/pharmacognosy2.html.  I've added a few

comments

CONTENT: 



     AMINO ACIDS 

     CARBOHYDRATES 

     LIPIDS 

     ALKALOIDS 

     VOLATILE OILS 

     STEROIDAL COMPOUNDS 

     TERPENOIDS 

     PHENOLS 

     GLYCOSIDES 













                               AMINO ACIDS



In plants, amino acids are broken down into two groups, protein, and

non-protein. Most protein is water and dilute alcohol soluble. 

There are twenty proteins, derived from the acid hydrolysates of plant

proteins (as with animal proteins). Plant proteins are essential for

carrying out specific cellular functions both internally and externally.

Plant proteins are seed-based store-houses for nitrogen and guard

against would-be predators. Some are toxic to humans, some are of

daily necessity in the human diet. Some, furthermore, have been

developed into specific drugs: L-Dopa, from fava beans and other

Fabaceae/Leguminosae, is used in the treatment of Parkinson's disease;

L-Cysteine, found in all plants, is used in eye drops and topical

antibiotics. L-Arganine stimulates the pituitary gland to release growth

hormone. L-Aspartic acid is present in coffee, liquorice, sugar cane,

sugar beet, and is neuro-excitatory. It is the phytochemical responsible

for so-called 'sugar highs,' and is in aspartame (Harborne, 61-67). 



                

CARBOHYDRATES AND RELATED COMPOUNDS



Plant energy storage components are referred to as carbohydrates. The

group which the term

carbohydrates represents includes mono-(sucrose, lactose, etc.), and

poly-(starch, inulin)

saccharides, some acids which are produced after cellular carbohydrate

respiration, alcohols such

as sorbitol and cellulose; and gums and mucilages. For the purposes of

therapeutics, usually the

polysaccharide and gum/mucilage subgroups are most important. 



Polysaccharides are known to exert a beneficial action on the body's

immune system, increasing its strength. They are produced through the

linkage of simple or single sugars linked by ethers in

various and complex ways, and are divided into two categories,

water(sometimes hot) soluble or water non-soluble. Plant

starch, gums, mucilage, cellulose (and sub-group hemicellulose) are all

polysaccharides. 



Cellulose, i.e., cotton, powdered cellulose, microcrystalline cellulose, and

purified rayon, is another  polysaccharide, whose derivatives, have

been developed as bulking agents for the alleviation of constipation, as

opthalmic solutions, topical emollients and protectants, and as agents

meant to reduce the appetite (Tyler et al., 44-45). 



It has been difficult for phytochemists to distinguish between gums

(almost insoluble in alcohol) and mucilage categorically.

Presently, it is generally agreed that while gums are water solvent

and insoluble in alcohol, mucilage will become a slimy mass; and, that

gums are pathologically formed while mucilages are physiological in

origin (Tyler et al., 46). 



Mucilage, therapeutically, can reduce bowel irritation, gut irritation,

peristalsis, toxin absorption,

cough, bronchial and urinary spasm. Mucilage can also increase

expectoration (Cabrera, 35). As a gelating agent, the polysaccharide

hydrocolloidal carrageenan often finds its way in ice cream; it is also

used as a laxative ingredient. Perhaps the most common bulking agent

derived from a

polysaccharide comes from Plantago major, whose seed, the psyllium,

can bulk itself up with the

addition of water sufficiently to initiate peristalsis and evacuate the

bowels (Tyler, 45-56). 



                                   LIPIDS



Fixed oils, fats, waxes, phosphatides, and lecithins, as members of the

lipid group, are made up of esters of long-chain fatty acids and alcohols

which contain carbon, hydrogen, and oxygen. Fixed oils are liquid at

normal temperature, fats are solid; however this distinction does not

always come through, especially with differences in climate. 



Lipids are often a main constituent in drugs, separated by expression

from the crude vegetable

(plant) matter and presented as drugs in the refined state (Tyler, 82).

Plant seeds are the largest

source (e.g. sesame seeds,almonds, linseed) of lipids (Tyler, 83; Evans,

322). They are soluble in alcohol, ether, volatile oils or other fats.  They

are insoluble in water or glycerine.  Heated in the presence of alkalies,

they form soaps and one of the by-products is glycerine.  Fats and fixed

oils are obtained chiefly by the process of expression, such as castor

oil, olive oil, cocoa butter.

Waxes; compounds of fatty acids with certain alcohols.  Differ from fats

chiefly in containing no glyceryl.  Soluble in oils when heated



                                ALKALOIDS



Alkaloids are arguably the most potent therapeutic compounds and have

been manufactured as

various allopathic drugs, including the pain-killer morphine and the

anti-malarial quinine. Derived from amino acids, alkaloids represent a

varied and complex class of nitrogenous crystalline or oily compounds.

Alkaloid levels in a given botanical change in the course of the day and

are not homogeneous, which makes them difficult to define (Tyler et al.,

186). Their presence appears to be most prevalent in the

Fabaceae/Leguminosae, Papaveraceae, Ranunculaceae, Rubiaceae,

Solanaceae, and Berberidacea families. Plant genera providing the

highest yield of alkaloids are Nicotiana, Vinca, Strychnos, Papaver

sominifera, and Rauwolfia serpentina (Evans, 545). 



Pyrrolidine, tropane, or solanaceous alkaloids effect the peripheral

nervous system, inhibiting

the parasympathetic nervous system and stimulating the sympathetic.

Pupils dilate, secretions slow, and the vagus nerve is inhibited (causing

vasodilation, bronchial dilation, and reduced peristalsis)

(Harborne and Baxter, 300-308). 



Pyridine and piperidine alkaloids represent a class which affects the

central nervous system,

reduces appetite, and contains other properties usually diuretic or

diaphoretic in action. Nicotine,

lobeline, and coniine are examples. Coniine is extremely toxic (Harborne

and Baxter, 243-254). 



Pyrrolizidine alkaloids are under fire today as chemists and doctors try to

determine the human

hepatotoxicity of these agents which can damage liver veins, causing

hepatic veno-occlusive disease

(Awang, 20-22). Toxicity to livestock is demonstrated by the fact that

50% of livestock deaths

occur through the ingestion of a plant that contains these alkaloids

(Harborne and Baxter, 255).

Because of five well-publicized deaths (one of which was the

teratogenic poisoning of a fetus)

following the consumption of an herb(comfrey) that had been regarded

as safe, plant families in

which pyrrolizidine alkaloids are most often found (Boraginacea,

Asteraceae/Compositae, and

Fabaceae/Leguminosae) are of immense concern to both herbalists and

the FDA (Mattocks, 724). 



Indole alkaloids are derived from tryptophan, and apart from the few with

hallucinogenic effects,

indoles such as serotonin, harmine and reserpine have a sedative effect

on the central nervous

system. Other constituents in this category are cytostatic, antileukemic,

or are able to act on the

ratio of oxygen and glucose to the cell, specifically increasing oxygen to

deprived areas. 



Quinoline alkaloids are named from quinoline in the cinchona plant, and

refers to the quinoline

alkaloids developed in the nucleus from tryptophan (Tyler et al., 202).

Included in this group are

quinine, the anti-malaria medication, and quinidine, which calms the heart

in tachycardiasis and

arrhythmia, and others. Chinchonine is an astringent and a bitter.

Isoquinoline alkaloids are derived from tyrosine and phenylalanine. 

The therapeutic value of this class of alkaloid differs according to the

sub-categories, which include simple, benzyl, Papaveraceae, codeine,

protopine, protoberberine, and ipecac isoquinolines. The protoberberines,

which include berberine, hydrastine, and canadine, are anti-bacterial,

anti-protozoal, astringent, tonic, bitter tasting, and respiratory,

vasomotor, and circulatory stimulants. Alkaloids unite with acids to

form salts, in the manner of ammonia.

Most alkaloids are somewhat soluble in alcohol (this will be

enhanced by adding glycerine) and some are soluble in water.  

Some will form salts with vinegar. Some are soluble in weak acid.



                        VOLATILE OR ESSENTIAL OILS



Volatile oils are usually responsible for the odor of a plant. Volatile, or

essential, oils evaporate with air. They can contain hundreds of

constituents, the highest of which are terpenes. Hydrocarbons (as with

acillin, from garlic), alcohols, aldehydes (this group includes cinnamon oil,

orange oil, lemon peel, lemon oil, hamamelis water, and citronella oil,

whose medicinal purposes include the astringent quality of witch hazel).

Therapeutically, volatile oils have many uses. They can serve as a mode

of transportation, to distribute a medicine equally throughout the body.

They can act as antiseptics. Volatile oils tend to stimulate tissues they

come in contact with, hence they can be rubefacients, counter-irritants,

and/or vasodilators. Internally, volatile oils may cause an increase in

saliva, perspiration, peristalsis, and/or stimulate the heart muscle

(Cabrera, 40).  Soluble in alcohol, slightly in water  and some

fixed oils.



                          STEROIDAL COMPOUNDS



Steroids are a natural product class of widely distributed compounds.

Steroids develop and control the reproductive tract in humans, molt

insects, induce sexual reproduction in aquatic fungi. Therapeutically,

steroids contribute cardiotonics (digitoxin), Vitamin D precursors, oral

contraceptives (semi-synthetic progestins), antiinflammatory agents

(corticosteroids) and anabolic agents (androgens).The phytochemical

make up of this group of plant glycosides always includes a 4-membered

hydrocarbon ring. This is true in animal-derived steroids and synthesized

steroids as well. 



In plants, steroidal content is divided into steroid saponins (soluble in

water), which are very similar to triterpenoid

saponins in the terpenoid group; or, they may be compounds which

render them steroid alkaloids,

from the alkaloid group(Harborne and Baxter, 290, 689). Steroidal

compounds serve many

functions both for the plant and also for humans: Combined steroids

derived from plants have

proven and continue to be valuable for medicinal purposes that range

from topical antibiotics to

relieving dysmenorrhea (ibid.; Evans, 480-488). See:terpenoid saponins,

steroid saponins, steroid

alkaloids. 



                                TERPENOIDS



Terpenoids form the largest group of plant products and are the most

common ingredient in volatile oils. They include camphor, Beta-carotene,

and digitalin, for example, and are sometimes referred to as isoprenoids,

due to the fact that all terpenoids are derived from a 5-carbon precursor

isoprene (Harborne and Baxter, 552). Terpenoids are categorized as

monoterpenoids and monoterpenoid lactones, sesquiterpenoids and

sesquiterpenoid lactones, diterpenoids, and triterpenoids. Of these four

groups, triterpenoids forms the largest. Carotenoids are formed through

a head-to-tail combination of geranylgeranyl pyrophosphate, the same

precursor to monoterpenoids (ibid.). 



Monoterpene, sesquiterpene, and diterpene alkaloids, as well as

steroidal alkaloids, are classified as alkaloids due to the presence of

nitrogen in their structure. Despite that classification, those

alkaloids, and some phenols as well (for instance, rotenone), may

contain terpenoidal atoms or

compounds or isoprenoid derivatives (ibid.). 



Monoterpenoids have a head-to-tail formation of their ten-carbon

precursor, geranyl

pyrophosphate (Harborne and Baxter, 555). These constituents are

present in volatile oils.

Monoterpenoids often have a strong smell; they are the source of such

scents as spearmint

(carvone), bergamot and lavendar (both of which contain linalyl acetate),

and sweet rose (nerol)

(ibid, PD2042, PD2059, PD2065; Evans, 321). Monoterpenoids occur in

insect pheromones as

well. Monoterpenoids vary in pharmacological use, as expectorants,

anthelmintics,

anticholesteremics, insecticides, and antiseptics. 



The phrase bitter principles (Soluble in water and alcohol), which

refers to the bitter-tasting monoterpenoid lactones known as iridoids are

also components of volatile oils and have been used to stimulate actions

within the body, such as mucosal or gastric secretion. The attachment of

a glucose to a hydroxyl group on the lactone ring is the determining

factor in recognizing a lactone. These isoflavonoid polyphenols are

sometimes also referred to as iridoid glycosides, because they are often

present in glycosidic form .  Iridoids usually occur in angiosperms,

especially valerian, gentian, blue flag, and orris root, and can have, aside

from the therapeutic actions described above, antimicrobial and

antileukemic properties (Harborne and Baxter, 555, 569). 



Sesquiterpenoids occur with monoterpenoids in plant essential oils,

especially in the families

Labiatae, Myrtaceae, Pinaceae, and Rutaceae. They also occur in

micro-organisms, marine animals, fighting insects, and insect pheromonal

secretions. Some are very toxic, but sesquiterpenes can be used as

antifungals, carminatives, insecticides, or as an antibiotic. This latter

action has been successfully demonstrated against staphylococcus

areus and candida albicans, by sesquiterpenes found in marine alga

(Duke, 584, Harborne and Baxter, PD2141). A sesquiterpenes found in

chamomile, is an antiinflammatory agent (Harborne and Baxter, PD2123). 



With the addition of a y-lactone sesquiterpenoids become sesquiterpene

lactones such as those

found in absynthe and arnica (Harborne and Baxter,599). The

cytotoxicity of sesquiterpene lactones prevents their widespread use

but encourages research into antitumor applications. Often these are the

components causing contact dermatitis and some are lethal (ibid.). 



Resins are non volatile secretions or excretions, some said to be

oxidation products of essential oils. Soluble in alcohol,fixed oils and

volatile oils.

Oleo-Gum resins; milky exudates from plants which are composed of a

gum or gums partly or wholly soluble in water, and a resin or resins

soluble in alcohol.  Gum-resins, when mixed in with water, yield

emulsions, the gum more or less dissolving while the resin becomes

suspended in the solution.



Oleo-resins; natural solutions of resins in essential oils, where the latter

can be separated by distillation. 



Balsams; resins or oleo resins with aromatic substances.  They may be

liquid or solid and are soluble in alcohol.



Many resin acids, termed diterpenoid acids are included in this group, as

are plant hormones called gibberellins. Many of the diterpenoids are

toxic, similar to sesquiterpenoids, but some have antibiotic, antiviral,

antiinflammatory, and bitter tonic uses (ibid). Ginkgolides, diterpenoids

from the Ginkgo biloba plant, are fast becoming one of today's most

highly-esteemed phytochemicals, finding use in the treatment of memory

loss, allergies, asthma, brain injury, and more (DeFeudis, 1991; Harborne

and Baxter, PD2447; Petkov et al., 106). 



Triterpenoid saponins, or sapogenins, are plant glycosides which lather

in water and are used in

detergents, or as foaming agents or emulsifiers, and have enormous

medical implications due to their antifungal, antimicrobial, and adaptogenic

properties. Glycyrrhizin, from licorice root, is an example of a saponin

used for antiinflammatory purposes in place of cortisone (Harborne and

Baxter,

PD2536). 



Steroid saponins are similar to the sapogenins and related to the cardiac

glycosides Therapeutically, steroidal saponins their ability to interact

medically and beneficially with the cardiac glycosides, sex hormones,

Vitamin D, and other factors, render these phytochemicals components

of great medical significance (Evans, 481). For instance, diosgenin, from

Wild Yam, was used in the development of the first oral contraceptive

(Harborne and Baxter, 689). 



Phytosterols are necessary to plant membranes and plant cell growth.

Sitosterol, stigmasterol, and

campesterol are the most common (Harborne and Baxter, 712). It has

been demonstrated that

B-sitosterol decreases the risk of atherosclerosis by lowering plasma

concentrations of LDL's

(low-density lipoproteins) (Lehninger, 614). Ergosterol, combined with

ultra violet light, becomes vitamin D2. Vitamin D3, mentioned in the first

issue of The Protocol Journal of Botanical Medicines as a topical

treatment for psoriasis, is obtained from 7-dehydrocholesterol (Tyler et

al., 161). 



Carotenoids, or forty-carbon tetraterpenoids, are lipid-soluble terpenes

found in all forms of plants. Their value to animals comes from the

splitting of the C40 molecule into the twenty-carbon isoprenoid alcohol

known as Vitamin A, a process which occursafter the substance has

been ingested (Guyton, 867; Harborne and Baxter, 745). 



                                 PHENOLS

Phenols, which are also called polyphenols or phenolic compounds, are

plant substances which

have an aromatic ring bearing one or more hydroxyl groups (Harborne

and Baxter, 324). Phenols

are widely splattered throughout the plant kingdom. Food and drink owe

their actions on our senses to phenols. To many other phytochemical

classifications this is the parent group, but phenols may also be

contained as constituents in compounds through which a botanical

phytochemical exists under a different classification. 



The flavonoids constitute about one-half of the eight-thousand or so

recognized phenols. The rest

are broken down into phenylpropanoids, anthones, stilbenoids, and

quinones. The compounds have a myriad of medical functions. From the

perspective of the plant kingdom, polyphenolic compounds are important

contributors to the survival of plant species through the insurance of

successful pollination, and also provide plants with an unpleasant taste

so that possibly threatening herbivores are repelled (ibid.). 



Flavonoids are molecules responsible for the color of fruit and flowers.

They are beneficial to man as powerful antioxidants, stress modifiers,

anti-allergic agents, anti-viral compounds and

anti-carcinogens (Evans,420). Some are able to stimulate protein

synthesis, and some are known

antiinflammatory agents. Still others have demonstrated vaso-protective

activity. Some are diuretic, antispasmodic, antibacterial,and antifungal

(Harborne and Baxter, 367-415). 



While some flavonoids may be classified as flavonoid glycosides, all are

phenols, but flavonoids,

flavonals, flavanones, isoflavones, and xanthones, all stem from

flavones. Flavones have effectively been used to tone blood cell walls

and bloodcells. Anthocyanidins and anthocyanins are related flavonoids.

These, and flavones in general, occur most frequently as glycosides. 



Isoflavones occur less frequently as glycosides, more often in their free

state, and have a higher

degree of structural variation(Harborne and Baxter, 415). 



Tannins are polyphenolic compounds and are divided into two groups,

i.e., the hydrolyzable and

non-hydrolyzable tannins, and the condensed tannins. Hydrolyzable

tannins are thought to be

hepatotoxic with overuse; condensed tannins appear not to have this

action. 



In general, tannins are astringent and antiseptic. Hamamelitannin, from

witch hazel bark is a source of pharmacologically-used tannin (Evans,

386-388) and often found in men's aftershave lotions. A polyphenol

classified as a napthaquinone, plumbagin, for example, found in the

Round Leaved Sundew (Drosera rotundifolia) a plant indigenous to

coastal Maine, has shown anti-bacterial properties and continues to be

researched for its anti-cancer actions (Evans, 672). 



                                GLYCOSIDES



Glycosides, or sugar ethers, are a complex grouping which can be

broken down to yield one or

more sugars (glycones), plus a non-sugar component (aglycones). It is

important to note that

glycosides are not a major classification of phytochemicals, as are

alkaloids, carbohydrates, phenols and terpenoids. However, it is often

when a phytochemical is in its glycosidic form that a

constituent may have a specific therapeutic action. Neucleotide

glycosides, in combination

with particular compounds, create specific glycosides in plants, the

distinction between which is

signified by a C-, S-, N-, or O-. The letters indicate that the formation of

the glycoside is dependent on interaction with Carbon, Sulphur, Nitrogen,

or alcohol/phenol components, respectively (Evans, 281). Given this

mutability, glycosides can occur in any of the major phytochemical

classifications, because a sugar ether can bind itself to molecules in a

myriad of

ways. Glycosides are most commonly classified according to the

chemical nature of the aglycone,

and have vast medicinal applications as they are found in almost every

therapeutic class. 



Some phytochemical groups, such as anthraquinone phenols, normally

do contain glycosides, so

they are nicknamed anthraquinone glycosides. Alcohol glycosides have

been used as antirheumatics and analgesics. Salicin, from Salix spp., is

the glycosidic precursor to what is transformed to salicylic acid in our

bodies. Salicylic acid is an anodyne: Ultimately, salicylic acid was

synthesized to become today's aspirin.  Glycosides are soluble in

alcohol and water.



Known primarily for their laxative actions, anthraquinone glycosides

were found after the aglycones (a non-sugar component) of

anthraquinones had been obtained upon hydrolysis. Both glycones and

aglycones of anthracene derivation are polyphenols containing the red or

purple pigment found in senna, cascara, rheum, and aloe, for example. 



Flavonoid glycosides are yellow pigments in flowers and plants which

have demonstrated

antiinflammatory, anti-allergic effects, antithrombotic and vasoprotective

properties. These plant

constituents exert antioxidant effects on free radicals in the body.

Related to flavonoid glycosides

are the anthocyanidins and anthocyanins, mentioned under the phenol

heading. 



Lactone glycosides, a.k.a. Coumarin glycosides are very fragrant: they

are the source, for instance, of freshly-mown hay scents (ibid.).

Medicinally, coumarin glycosides have been shown to have hemorrhagic,

antifungicidal, and antitumor activities. The lactone glycoside dicumarol is

known as an anticoagulant. 



Cardiac glycosides, come from triterpenoid groups and their action on the

heart is still under

investigation. It is known, however, that the cardiac glycosides do exert

a specific action on the

myocardial muscle and allay myocardial infarction. Digitalis, from the

foxglove plant, is an allopathic prescription. (Planta Medica, 1993, 539.) 



Cyanogenic glycosides, which initially contain hydrogen cyanide (HCN)

compounds, are toxic to

unadapted farm animals and humans. However, some have been found

to be of cytotoxic interest in cancer research. Originally, these

glycosides were probably developed so that a plant could defend itself

from herbivores. The cyanide content, referred to as a bound toxin, only

occurs in some of  the 1000 or so plants which initially produce

cyanohydrin upon hydrolysis (Harborne and Baxter, 84). Detection of the

presence of cyanide is accomplished through smell or by its yellow to

brownish-red reaction with moist picrate paper. Prunasin, to illustrate, is

a cyanogenic glycoside occurring in Wild Cherry Bark, a botanical which

has been used since the late 1700's as a cough sedative and medicinal

flavorant (Evans, 538). 

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: herbs,roses,bark

From: Doris Tuck <dlt@interlink.com>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 09:36:10 -0700

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Hi,



I read with interest the info re what to plant near roses.  This sounds 

like good info except it conflicts with other info I have heard/read, 

which is that roses do not like to be crowded, but like space around 

their roots and trunks.  Is this true?  I am always pulling out the 

nasturtiums which are always trying to take over the world, even tho' 

I have read that aphids do not like them, also.



So, does anyone know, which is more important--giving the roses 

space, or having anti-aphid plants growing up all around them.



Sure would be nice to use all that space I have there now, as I have 

one of those urban postage-stamp-size back yards, too.



Thanks for any info.



Doris





>I have a couple of questions for you :D.  I have some rose bushes

>growing around the perimeter of my yard.  They have larger pieces of

>bark around them. No black plastic.  I would like to plant some herbs

>around them to do double duty. -A- Keep the aphids from my roses, and



>I plant garlic, chives and onions with my roses to deter aphids.

>I have several tansy plants planted with the roses also. Tansy either repels

>aphids and or Japanese beetles can't recall which or if it works for both.

>Tansy dries well, looks real nice in arrangements and crafts. Can be used in

>cosmetic preparations as well. Really smells bad, maybe thats why bugs don't

>like it. Lady bugs love aphids too.





>Bugs don't like lavender either. Pennyroyal too.pn







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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: herbs,roses,bark

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 03:29:51 -0400

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>So, does anyone know, which is more important--giving the roses 

space, or having anti-aphid plants growing up all around them.

<



Hi Doris,   The anti-aphid herbs are good, but you are right about crowding

the roses.  They need air and it would depend on your climate as to how

much space and air they need.  I live in Sacramento Calif. and it gets hot

here in the summer and it is dry in the summer.  It is not a place with

high relative humidity.  If you have high humidity then you need to give

the roses more space so they can dry out or they get diseases.  I have

alyssum growing around mine, but I can get away with it in this climate.  I

just wash off the aphids at the beginning of the season with my hose and

some pressure ( every morning for a few days but you may need to do it for

about a week or so ) and then I don't have trouble with them anymore.  I

have all natural beds ( no chemical fertilizers ) so the beneficial insects

help me out the rest of the year.

Green greetings,

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

in sunny Northern California

suesherbals@compuserve.com

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Re: herbs,roses,bark

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 06:35:32 -0400

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> which is that roses do not like to be crowded, but like space around 

> their roots and trunks.  Is this true?  I am always pulling out the 

> nasturtiums which are always trying to take over the world, even tho' 

> I have read that aphids do not like them, also.

> 



My roses are jammed close (I have more roses than space) and they do

just fine.  The black spot is prally the reason for NOT over crowding

but if you use a soaker hose or hand water at the base, knocking off the

water after the rain or using a solution of 1 teaspoon baking soda to 1

quart of water with few drops of dishwashing liquid to change the pH you

shouldn't have much problem with it.  (black spot is a fungus, if it

happens, pluck off the damaged leaves and through them in the garbage,

NOT your compost pile)



Nasturtiums are edible (try the stem) has more mustard oil than mustard.



I really hate aphid, I have many lady bugs, you can buy them, as well,

but I will go out and thwap them (aphids) off my roses.  I have only one

foot between each plant and they are doing fine.



'nother hint..... Yellow roses have a tendency to draw Japanese Beetles.



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Re: herbs,roses,bark

From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 21:57:01 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-08 00:25:40 EDT, dlt@interlink.com writes:



<< I read with interest the info re what to plant near roses.  This sounds 

 like good info except it conflicts with other info I have heard/read, 

 which is that roses do not like to be crowded, but like space around 

 their roots and trunks.  Is this true?  >>



The only plants I place close to the roots of the roses are garlic, garlic

chives and onions. Small plants that will not crowd or interfere. The larger

plants tansy and nasturtiums(sp?) are intermixed or planted near the roses but

not to close. Our yard is fairly large. (we cut it with a riding mower) Try

planting the plants in plastic pots to contain them. I do this with mint in

our garden. Works great, like the plastic lawn edgeing.

Goodluck,

denise

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Subject: [HERBINFO] echinachea and immuno

From: Jacoly <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 14:46:13 -0400

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At 06:21 AM 4/6/98 -0400, you wrote:

>> I just read on on of my other lists that Echinacea shouldn't be used by

anyone

>> with immune system problems.



And this is what I have heard also.  I have a european doctor, she has

introduced me to many natural remedies.  She too has said not to take

Echinacea for me, as I have an immuno problem.  Mine is called Behets.

The problem with Ech is that when I am exposed to an illness, my system

already goes haywire, putting the ech into it, can push it over the edge.

As it is, my system attacks itself. 

So personally I beleive that it can be a very bad thing for immuno

defiencies, such as behets and lupus.



If there is some information that is scientifically, and medically

documented, I would like to read up on it, as I know things change, and I

certainly want to do what is best.



Lesa





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Subject: [HERBINFO] Ephedra

From: "Bill and Wendy Vardy" <wvardy@bconnex.net>

Date: Mon, 6 Apr 1998 16:53:01 -0400

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I am a newbie to the list.  I am also a recent non-smoker and have read about ephedra.  This herb is credited with many wonderous abilities making it sound too good to be true.



Ephedra is said to have the ability to lesson cravings for cigarette and at the same time, increase the basal metabolic rate.



Help stop smoking and keep the weight off?  Where can I find this and what form does it work best in?  I live in a rural area and herbalist are difficult to locate.  Any help from the list members is greatly appreciated.



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From: Carol n NY <CarolnNY@aol.com>

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Does anyone know the warnings for ephedra?  I heard it was very bad for the

heart & acted like speed on the body.



A friend's husband worked for a herb company in Utah, he was taking a blend

which had ephedra in it.  He did start having some behavior as well as

physical problems, they all stopped when he discontinued the use of the herb

blend. 



Carol Ostrander

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Subject: [HERBINFO] citrus/hair spray

From: Pat&Theresa Madden <maddens@cdsnet.net>

Date: Mon, 06 Apr 1998 15:49:43 -0700

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Afternoon All!



I did post this query on another list also, so if you see it twice ----

sorry :).  There is a recipe to make your own hair spray with lemon and

water. You juice a lemon, put in water, heat, cool, strain (pulp &

seeds), put in spritzer. Would you not have to be sure and not get spray

on your face,neck,hands, if you were going to be out in the sun? Or

would it be thinned down enough to be okay? This spray could also be

made with oranges or limes.  Same questions apply-citrus???    TIA



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] citrus/hair spray

From: Madelyn Powell <powellm@arches.uga.edu>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:22:33 -0400 (EDT)

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lemon juice and white vinegar both have the effect of bleaching out the

hair.

be warned!







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From: Viper0603 <Viper0603@aol.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 07:35:14 EDT

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In what form do you use the chamomile and echinacea?

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Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 23:54:04 -0400

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I use echinacea tincture sporadically on an empty stomach. I use

chamomile tea and for a while I used chamamile shampoo for a long

time.pn



Viper0603 wrote:



> In what form do you use the chamomile and echinacea?

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Tansy

From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 08:50:46 EDT

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Thanks for all the input on Tansy.I had a wonderful goat named Levi that would

just turn his nose up to the stuff.I don't have cattle so I don't know how

they would react to it.Levi did like Tootsie Pops, though.I am not sure that I

want to rid my yard of it as it is bad for cattle.Juliette de Bairacli Levy

expounds on its virtues.States that it is a highly medicinal plant, and a

favorite of the English Gypsies who frequently name their children Tansy.One

of the most mineral rich herbs;almost a cure-all herb,having so many medicinal

values.

She goes on to say that it is a remedy for varicose veins applied externally.I

will try that one as I have a few road maps on these well traveled legs!



Another thought I had was that if I left it in my yard in areas where I mow

could it spread without flowering?Every time I cut I would smell the wonderful

camphor aroma.



I also have many butterflies that alight atop my Tansy.The dried flowers keep

their shape and color and I have read they make a wonderful dye.



    Have a great day,Marianne

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Tansy

From: Madelyn Powell <powellm@arches.uga.edu>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 19:21:12 -0400 (EDT)

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tansy spreads by rootsock voraciously here in the southern piedmont, grows

to a huge shrub, and needs full sun.

i don't personally recommend it internally.

it is a great bad bug repellant, though, and should be included in any

"bug-free border"... i like to have one near all well used areas outside

the house.

















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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Tansy

From: "Bill and Wendy Vardy" <wvardy@bconnex.net>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 20:45:25 -0400

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>it is a great bad bug repellant, though, and should be included in any

>"bug-free border"... i like to have one near all well used areas outside

>the house.

>

"Bug-free" as in no more earwigs?  My skin crawls on the sight of these

things.



Wendy



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Tansy

From: Madelyn Powell <powellm@arches.uga.edu>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:54:38 -0400 (EDT)

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hey ya'll, sorry it took me so long to reply,

glad you liked the bit about tansy.

i'm not sure about earwigs, they have recently appeared

in an area that used to be centipede grass...(oy ve)

what do earwigs eat?  not my herbs, i hope, though i've noticed my

oregeno seems okay...

i have had some damage on pungent plants that everybuggy usually leaves

alone... are they the culprit? 

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Tansy

From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 23:21:18 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-10 20:45:03 EDT, wvardy@bconnex.net writes:



<< "Bug-free" as in no more earwigs?  My skin crawls on the sight of these

 things. >>

Wendy,

I hate earwigs too! Found one in a drinking straw once, you can imagine my

reaction! I have the ugly little creatures in most of my flower beds

except..... now that I think about it, the flower beds and gardens with the

Tansey planted in it! . I'm not sure if it is just coincidence or not. Maybe

someone else knows for certain.

Take care,

denise

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Tansy

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 20:24:50 -0400

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I have read that tansy will be 3 feet tall.  Does anyone have tansy that

has reached that height?

 I would like to plant the tansy that I started last summer around the veg

garden and I am afraid of it being too tall.  It got no where near that

tall last summer.

Donna 

in da mtns

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 06:16:49 -0400

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> I have read that tansy will be 3 feet tall.  Does anyone have tansy that

> has reached that height?



Yes, I have.  I have plenty, keeping it in semi shady area will prevent

it's growth from getting so tall.  Actually, I think my tanzy the first

year in full sun got taller.  :-)



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From: CLHW@InfoAve.Net (CLHW@InFoAve.Net)

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 21:02:42 -0400 (EDT)

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Mine, which is about 2 years old, has only reached about 18 inches here in

South Carolina. In the height of its growth, it sent out shoots which might

have been 3 feet but it died back in the winter.



Lynn



>I have read that tansy will be 3 feet tall.  Does anyone have tansy that

>has reached that height?

> I would like to plant the tansy that I started last summer around the veg

>garden and I am afraid of it being too tall.  It got no where near that

>tall last summer.

>Donna

>in da mtns

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From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 06:29:26 EDT

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Hi Donna,

 My Tansy has gotten that high.I am in the process of moving a bunch right

now.If we put it around our gardens to repel nasty bugs could it be

periodically trimmed so it doesn't achieve its full height?Would it come back

next year if it did not flower?

      Marianne

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:21:40 -0400

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> Would it come back

> next year if it did not flower?



yes.  Mine did not flower after transplanting, but I am sure will flower

this year.

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Subject: RE: [HERBINFO] Tansy

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:57:27 -0500

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YOU WROTE:

I have read that tansy will be 3 feet tall.  Does anyone have tansy that has reached that height?

I ADD:

Yes !!! It is easily that tall when blooming.

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Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 09:38:25 -0500

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<Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Tansy



<I have read that tansy will be 3 feet tall.  Does anyone have tansy that

<has reached that height?

 <I would like to plant the tansy that I started last summer around the veg

<garden and I am afraid of it being too tall.  It got no where near that

<tall last summer. Donna 



Donna, my tansy grows 3-5 feet in a good summer.  I think it depends on

where it is planted (mine in full sun in not the greatest soil in the upper

field) and how the rainfall is for that summer.  Mine are up now and are

about 1 foot tall already and are nice and healthy.  But wait, the drought

isn't here yet! :-)



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From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:43:14 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-12 20:27:11 EDT, donnas@yancey.main.nc.us writes:



<< I have read that tansy will be 3 feet tall.  Does anyone have tansy that

 has reached that height? >>

Donna,

Last year a couple of my tansy plants were taller than I am. (I'm 5ft. 1)

I plant mine to the side and back of the garden. On the side, they help to

shade the cucumber plants. (mine tend to get sunburn) The ones in the back do

not interfere with the amount of sunlight the garden receives. Take a day and

watch how the sun light falls, prop something in the location you want to

plant, usually the sun is high enough overhead not to cast a shadow until late

afternoon. On average 6 to 8 hrs., is all you need. If you are on a wooded lot

and your garden just makes the minimum try planting in pots and moving them as

needed. I have never tried it but possibly you could keep them trimmed low.

denise 

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From: "Bill and Wendy Vardy" <wvardy@bconnex.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:32:02 -0400

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I'm not sure what earwigs eat, I do know that they seem to thrive best in

shaded, damp environments.  I know I'm tempted to cut down some trees in my

yard to cut down on the number of them.



Can anyone tell me if Tansy really help



Wendy





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Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 17:52:17 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-24 22:32:55 EDT, wvardy@bconnex.net writes:



<< Can anyone tell me if Tansy really help >>



Hi,



I have earwigs everywhere, except where the tansy is planted.



denise

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From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 10:32:46 -0400

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 Andrew P Jasiewicz  writes:   (Comfrey, Echinacea,

Mugwort, Marshmallow, Scullcap, & St. Johns wort). If I purchase two of

each type of plant will they spread like mint? 

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Some of these will spread by clumping from the roots, you can spread them

out further by root division after a few years.

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Chamomile is

listed as an annual which reseeds itself? Does this mean that I can just

leave the planted bed alone from year to year and it will automatically

reseed and reproduce on it's own?

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It does reseed itself somewhat, but it may not be exactly in the same

location, so I find that I may mow over where it has decided to come up or

over look where it is.   

You can collect the spent and dried flower heads and try to scatter it

where you want it.  I also collect the seed from my Echinacea and scatter

some, and start seeds myself on  a lot of it , then continue to transplant

this to various spots around the garden.  I find that Echinacea attracts

pollinators and so may be good to have planted in many places.				

 Good Luck

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: echinacea 

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 14:25:14 -0500

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YOU WROTE:

I just read on on of my other lists that Echinacea shouldn't be used by anyone with immune system problems..I have asthma..What's everybody's views on this?     



I ADD:

Echinacea STIMULATES the immune system. In any condition where the body is already over-reacting (attacking itself) or is worn out, stimulating the immune system can cause increase in symptoms (example lupus) or a complete breakdown of already exhausted immune system (ex. AIDS).    IMO, Astragalus is much more useful for these conditions.   



Asthma is not caused by an immune system over-reaction or failure but by allergic reaction.  I can see no no harm in your using echinacea to fight colds, etc.



Echinacea is best used to trigger the defences of a healthy immune system  when you are under temporary stress or you fear exposure to something.  Constantly stimulating the immune defences causes eventual burnout.  That is why it is not a good idea for anyone to take echinacea all the time.  

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From: Jacoly <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 17:07:37 -0400

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Sometimes, Asthma _is_ an immune reaction, as in Behets Disease.

Otherwise though, if it isn't from an underlying condition, I suppose that

it isn't.

However, wouldn't asthma be an immune reaction?



Lesa



>Asthma is not caused by an immune system over-reaction or failure but by

allergic reaction.  I can see no no harm in your using echinacea to fight

colds, etc.



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From: CLHW@InfoAve.Net (CLHW@InFoAve.Net)

Date: Tue, 07 Apr 1998 21:09:58 -0400 (EDT)

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>YOU WROTE:

>I ADD:

>Echinacea STIMULATES the immune system. In any condition where the body is

>already over-reacting (attacking itself) or is worn out, stimulating the

>immune system can cause increase in symptoms (example lupus) or a complete

>breakdown of already exhausted immune system (ex. AIDS).    IMO,

>Astragalus is much more useful for these conditions.

>



I agree with this paragraph.  Most of the major auto-immune diseases or

conditions can be triggered by continued exposure to allergens. As Kathryn

said later:

> Constantly stimulating the immune defences causes eventual burnout.



Very true!



>Asthma is not caused by an immune system over-reaction or failure but by

>allergic reaction.  I can see no no harm in your using echinacea to fight

>colds, etc.



To quote my allergist: an allergic reaction is an inappropriate immune

system response.  Asthma, especially the RADS form, IS an immune system

response to an irritant or an allergen.  If the previous discussion about

echinacea being a stimulant to the immune system is true...well, what does

that mean? Does it mean it "boosts", as improves, the immune response or

does it mean it stimulates the immune system in to a reaction?  If it

activates the immune system, probably people with asthma should not use

echinacea.



On the other hand, ALL treatments of allergies, asthma, and sensitivities

involve two components.  The first is to AVOID the substance causing the

reaction. For example, people with asthma are told to make their

environments as dust free as possible, etc.  The second is to desensitize

the immune system.



Desensitization is accomplished by various methods, according to your

medical theology. "Mainstream" or alleopathic medicine uses desensitization

shots which are strong enough that they are usually administered at the

doctor's office and the patient is observed for adverse, as in

life-threatening, reactions.



Naturopaths and homeopaths use minute amounts of the allergen to induce the

body to lower its "flashpoint" at which an allergic reaction will be

stimulated. Environmental physicians also frequently use antigen drops to

accomplish the same effect.



All of these medical people will use their own pet supportive means.

Alleopaths use inhalers, and the others, naturopaths, homeopaths and

environmental physicians usually use vitamins, minerals, and herbs to build

up the immune system as well as the bodily systems which are being

destroyed.  They also use herbs and chelated vitamins and minerals to

remove the toxins from the body.



I was chemically injured about 17 years ago. I have gained my health back

from a bed-ridden condition to being very active and have increased my

knowledge of the need for vitamins, minerals and herbs and healthy food as

my health has improved. I take echinacea occasionally when it seems called

for but I have noticed that it doesn't take long before it is causing me

discomfort.



Avoiding the things to which I am now sensitive, and using plenty of

vitamin C has meant that I have not had more than 3 "colds" in the last 8

years.  Prior to that, 3 or 4 a year was common. So I just don't have need

for echinacea very often.



Lynn





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Subject: [HERBINFO] RE:Chamomile for asthma sufferers

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Tue, 7 Apr 1998 16:19:05 -0500

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YOU WROTE:

... because I have asthma, but just tested negative in my allergy 

tests to ragweed.  I drink and use TONS of chamomile (shampoo, 

infused moisturizing oil, soap, etc.), so I'd be curious to hear if I'm 

not supposed to be doing that.  Thanks!



I ADD:

Chamomile causes an allergic reaction in many folks who are also 

allergic to ragweed - but not all.    Also - for many of those who do 

react to Chamomile, drinking weak chamomile tea and building up 

over a few weeks to full strength can act to desensitize the immune 

system, providing relief from both chamomile and ragweed allergies. 

 It is a very individual reaction, works for some, not for others.  

This therapy needs to begin several weeks before the offending pollen 

is floating around in the air and works similarly to allergy shots.

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Subject: [HERBINFO] RE: echinacea 

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 09:25:32 -0500

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YOU WROTE:

Sometimes, Asthma _is_ an immune reaction, as in Behcets Disease. Otherwise though, if it isn't from an underlying condition, I suppose that it isn't. However, wouldn't asthma be an immune reaction?            



 I ADD:

I guess I wasn't clear enough when I said " Asthma is not caused by an immune system over-reaction or failure but by allergic reaction."   Asthma is an immune response to something the body is allergic to but it is not a OVER REACTION such as when the body attacks normal healthy tissue or a FAILURE as when a wornout immune sysytem can't fight anything off due to exhaustion.   Actually breathing difficulty is a pretty typical "normal" allergic response and sign of a functioning immune system - your body is just reacting to chemicals or irritants which others' bodies do not.   



Strengthening your immune system with echinacea to resist the flu bug could also strengthen your resistance to allergens, but should not cause a reaction in and of itself.   Whereas, echinacea can cause a flare up of lupus.  



As with all herbs, use must be individualized.   My asthmatic cousin uses echinacea with no increase in attacks.   

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From: Madelyn Powell <powellm@arches.uga.edu>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:48:14 -0400 (EDT)

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whadya mean it (echinacea) can cause a flare up of lupus?

very important question, have a friend with it, who uses it.

also, i disagree, as an asthmatic and herbalist with your simplification

of asthma as 

A: an allergic reaction.

it is not always, some of us have been chronic sufferers since childhood, 

it's predisposition is inherited.

an attack of it may be triggered by exposure to allergens.

there's a difference.

and B:  IMHO, it's not a failure of the immune system.

simply put, the silia of the lungs are not considered (in my book) to be a

part of the immune system any more than my nose hairs.

they serve basically the same function, for a different organ.

when they fail  to respond to requests from the lungs for removal of

mucous, allergens, etc., that lack of response causes the lack of depth

in the lungs, and thereby the wheezing sound generally accompanying an

attack.

all asthmatics can help themselves greatly by practicing diaphragm

breathing, this will over time increase the room into which the lungs can 

expand during or prior to an attack.





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Subject: [HERBINFO] RE: echinacea 

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:00:47 -0500

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YOU WROTE:

whadya mean it (echinacea) can cause a flare up of lupus? very important question, have a friend with it, who uses it.      



Lupus is a disorder in which the body's own immune system attacks itself, damaging muscles, skin and other body parts.  There are many theories as to what causes the immune system to turn on itself.  Whatever you believe to be the cause of the disorder, because it is the action of the immune system which does the damage, by triggering immune reponse (which echinacea in the proper dose does so well) lupus in remission is stimulated into flaring up.   



YOU WROTE:

....an allergic reaction.   it is not always, some of us have been chronic sufferers since childhood, it's predisposition is inherited. an attack of it may be triggered by exposure to allergens.  there's a difference.

 I ADD:

Yes, Asthmatics have hyperreactive airways, and I believe that the way your body reacts to irritants/allergens is most probably inherited.  

All the asthmatics I know have family members with histories of multiple allergies including hayfever and asthma.



YOU WROTE:

 B:  IMHO, it's not a failure of the immune system.   

I ADD:

That is exactly what I said ... asthma is NOT a failure of the immune system or an immune system attacking itself but a typical immune response to bronchial irritants.  The airways of non asthmatic persons constrict in the presence of tobacco smoke, some perfumes, and other air pollution.  It is the fact that your brochial muscles react to so many things and so strongly to the point of cutting off your air.   Echinacea stimulates immune response but not the strength of that response.  It does not cause a normal response to be inappropriately strong.  That is why I believe it is safe for asthmatics to use to prevent flu, etc.



YOU wrote:

 ...simply put, the silia of the lungs are not considered (in my book) to be a part of the immune system any more than my nose hairs.  

I ADD:

Huh?  wheezing and the fight for air in asthma comes from the constriction of the muscles in the bronchial tubes in first phase asthma. The narrowing (spasm) of the airways is a reaction to inhaled allergens and/or stress.  



Yes, cilia move the irritants out of normal bronchial tubes.  In second phase asthma (chronic inflammation of the airway) these cilia may not work.  This is not the cause of the asthma attack, but a secondary effect of the swollen airway tissue and the mucous produced by the bodies attempt to sooth it.  Yes, that does increase the irritation but is not the cause of it.  Just like rug rash, a blister or other raw spot, the inflammed & swollen is even move sensitive making it more reactive to a "trigger" allergen.



Yoga style breathing can help an asthmatic by preventing hyperventilation during an attack.  Hyperventilating makes an attack worse.   Regular exercise helps as fit bodies use oxygen more efficiently than couch potatoes. But neither will prevent asthma attacks.

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From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 10:09:50 CDT

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On Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:14:33 -0500 Hawk`Scry 

<woodwitch@sprintmail.com> writes:



[...]



> Wormwood on the otherhand dredges up ghosts to deal with.

> Are you smoking it? 



I finally got around to it last night, using some obtained from Mt. 

Rose Herbs.  I also tried sage the night before, to see how other 

thujone containing herbs compare to the mugwort effect I'm seeking 

to recreate.



After moistening a big mound of wormwood, to cure it like Howie's 

text file on smoking herbs advises, I spent about 3 hours smoking 

it, off and on.  I'm feeling more of the effects today, however.



I'd describe it as being kind of a zoned out feeling, with a layer 

between me and reality, but a bit jittery, uneasy, buzzy, 

disconcerted.  This is unlike the Penn's mugwort comfortable feeling 

of peace and serenity along with euphoria.  (A tincture of Mt. 

Rose's mugwort gave some of the peaceful and serene feeling, but no 

euphoric or aphrodisiac effect, as found with smoking Penn's 

mugwort.)



Sage basically caused heart thumping stimulation, with no 

psychotropic effect.



Thimbleberry

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: Smoking herbs -Reply

From: Gilbert Arnold <arnoldg@em.agr.ca>

Date: Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:41:04 -0400

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Just a quick note on "smoking" herbs.  I will not lecture on the negative

effects of certain volatile compounds of Artimisia Absinthium.  The

litterature abounds with them.



Dry distillation of certain herbs, a process where the herb is

decomposed be heat and the distillate condensed, is a one of the

classical means  of obtaining certain phytochemicals.  Other things

obtained include a stinking creosote like oil.  So I hope that some sort of

filtering device is being used, seing that some of these compounds are

extremely "cancer causing".



Blessings,



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>>> T B <thimbleberry@juno.com> 04/08/98 11:09am >>>

On Tue, 23 Dec 1997 17:14:33 -0500 Hawk`Scry 

<woodwitch@sprintmail.com> writes:



[...]



> Wormwood on the otherhand dredges up ghosts to deal with.

> Are you smoking it? 



I finally got around to it last night, using some obtained from Mt. 

Rose Herbs.  I also tried sage the night before, to see how other 

thujone containing herbs compare to the mugwort effect I'm seeking 

to recreate.



After moistening a big mound of wormwood, to cure it like Howie's 

text file on smoking herbs advises, I spent about 3 hours smoking 

it, off and on.  I'm feeling more of the effects today, however.



I'd describe it as being kind of a zoned out feeling, with a layer 

between me and reality, but a bit jittery, uneasy, buzzy, 

disconcerted.  This is unlike the Penn's mugwort comfortable feeling 

of peace and serenity along with euphoria.  (A tincture of Mt. 

Rose's mugwort gave some of the peaceful and serene feeling, but no 

euphoric or aphrodisiac effect, as found with smoking Penn's 

mugwort.)



Sage basically caused heart thumping stimulation, with no 

psychotropic effect.



Thimbleberry

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 11:16:39 CDT

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On Wed, 08 Apr 1998 11:41:04 -0400 Gilbert Arnold 

<arnoldg@EM.AGR.CA> writes:



> Just a quick note on "smoking" herbs.  I will not lecture on the

> negative effects of certain volatile compounds of Artimisia

> Absinthium.  The litterature abounds with them.



When I was originally discussing smoking mugwort, Henriette Kress 

kindly pointed out that "The fact that wormwood, A.absinthe, might 

fry your brain does not make the other Artemisias toxic."



> Dry distillation of certain herbs, a process where the herb is

> decomposed be heat and the distillate condensed, is a one of the

> classical means of obtaining certain phytochemicals.  Other things

> obtained include a stinking creosote like oil.  So I hope that

> some sort of filtering device is being used, seing that some of

> these compounds are extremely "cancer causing".



The cotton filter I use does get colored by the smoke, so I imagine 

that my lungs must look similar, for a time.  I do take Vitamin C, 

an antioxidant, on a regular basis.



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From: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 98 11:23:56 -0500

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I have a lot of cleavers growing in my yard this year...could anyone tell 

me some good ways to use this plant?  I've already dried some to put away, 

but would also llike to know about uses for fresh.  Thanks!



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From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 20:32:34 EDT

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Cleavers (Galium aparine)

   rich in minerals,especially silica,which exerts a powerful influence on

hair and teeth.



  It is refrigerant,laxative and tonic, and is much used in diseases of the

urinary system.



Excellent for fevers,skin problems,including dandruff;effective jaundice

remedy.



Treatment of bladder and kidney ailments,including stone or gravel.



An old-time farmer workers' tonic added to beer



Externally makes a great poultice ti reduce tumors, and is useful for all skin

disorders, including skin cancer,abscesses,tumors and cysts.



As a lotion to cleanse the complexion of acne and other impurities



As an underarm lotion to neutralize acid perspiration



I found this info in Common Herbs for Natural Health by Juliette de Bairacli

Levy.Hope this helps and joyous weeding to you!

         Marianne

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From: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"

Date: Thu, 9 Apr 98 12:54:06 -0500

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<<<<Cleavers (Galium aparine)

   rich in minerals,especially silica,which exerts a powerful influence on

hair and teeth.



  It is refrigerant,laxative and tonic, and is much used in diseases of the

urinary system.>>>>



Thanks for the info on cleavers, Marianne.  Any idea what "refrigerant" 

might mean in herbal terms?



Laurie

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Hi Laurie,

    Glad I could be of help! Refrigerant properties make cleavers excellent

for all fevers,including smallpox or typhus.Externally, it makes an excellant

poultice for scalds and burns.Cleavers is used for urinary tract

infections,venereal diseases,skin diseases,hepatitus.Externally for burns and

rashes.

   A tea can be made by infusing one ounce of cleavers in a pint of

water.Either the tea or a teaspoon of the tincture taken 3x daily makes an

effective course of treatment.

   Happy cleavering! Peace, Marianne

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Date: Wed, 8 Apr 1998 13:15:27 -0700 (PDT)

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Hi Folks,



I've seen this *thread about smoking herbs*.



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This topic of conversation is not what herbinfo

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Date: Thu, 9 Apr 1998 23:55:40 EDT

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Does anyone have any natural solutions to hypothyroidism? I am currently on

Synthroid, and alopathic thyroid hormone that those with hypo do not produce,

or not enough.  Anyway, I am a firm believer of natural cures and I'm looking

for a vegetarian herbal solution. There are herbs that have hormones, so I

wonder if there are herbs which can replace thyroid hormones? Anyone have

success with this before? 



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> I am currently on

> Synthroid, and alopathic thyroid hormone that those with hypo do not produce,

> or not enough. 



I hate to inform you but once you're on synthroid, you're on it for

life.  The thyroid, once it becomes sluggish, that's it, it is not a

regenerative gland.



Although, kelp supplements (iodine) help those that are not yet taking

thyroidal stimulants or replacements.

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Hypothyroidism

From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 07:23:41 EDT

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Yes, I know I am on Synthroid for life, but as someone who worte me mentioned,

and I thougt this true as well, I could take Armour which will kick start the

thyroid. Someone else also mentioned that for women, often it is not

hypothyroidism but a need for Progesterone via ProGest cream. So, there is

much to learn here and I don't feel I have hit the bottom of the barrel yet.

As an herbalist, I have recently started taking natural steroid and hormonal

herbs to see if that helps to replaces, to some degree, Synthroid, or at least

helps to kick-start the thyroid too. 



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Hypothyroidism

From: CLHW@InfoAve.Net (CLHW@InFoAve.Net)

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 09:23:50 -0400 (EDT)

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I'm glad you have this attitude.  The reason you need the thyroid hormonal

replacement could be varied. If your thyroid is completely shot, you may

need it forever. Your blood work would determine that.



I was diagnosed as needing it and took Armour for 2 years. Then blood tests

showed my thyroid was functioning and I quit it -- all with doctor's

advice. I hope you can do supportive herbal and vitamin work and eliminate

toxins from your environment and body and have the same experience.



I will say, my thyroid was only under-productive, not completely stopped.

The cause was a termiticide which caused me liver, thyroid, kidney, and

pancreas damage. Much of that has improved, but it has taken 16 years.



I wish you success!

Lynn



>Yes, I know I am on Synthroid for life, but as someone who worte me mentioned,

>and I thougt this true as well, I could take Armour which will kick start the

>thyroid. Someone else also mentioned that for women, often it is not

>hypothyroidism but a need for Progesterone via ProGest cream. So, there is

>much to learn here and I don't feel I have hit the bottom of the barrel yet.

>As an herbalist, I have recently started taking natural steroid and hormonal

>herbs to see if that helps to replaces, to some degree, Synthroid, or at least

>helps to kick-start the thyroid too.

>

>Parijata2@aol.com





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Subject: [HERBINFO] medicinal herb recipes

From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P. Jasiewicz)

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:06:20 EDT

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Does anyone have any basic recipes for herbal salves, ointments,

liniments, etc. that they might be willing to share? I'd like to start

learning to heal myself and my family of all the small irritations and

ailments that I can. I need some beginner level stuff. I certainly

wouldn't try treating anything serious without consulting a Doctor first.

I'm talking about colds, flu, sinus infections, allergies, sore or

strained muscles, cuts, bruises, headaches, etc. I have purchased a book

called ,"The Way of Herbs" which has been helpful but I thought this

might be a good place to ask for more input and maybe obtain a wider

variety of "recipes" from experienced people. I've tried to access the

archives to avoid asking things that are repetetive but I must be doing

something wrong. Any comments or input would be appreciated.

Also are there any good resources  available for study to learn more

about being a qualified herbalist? How about schools? Is there any type

of  certification program available?

					Andy Jasiewicz

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Lupus

From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P. Jasiewicz)

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:06:20 EDT

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On Fri, 10 Apr 1998 18:48:14 -0400 (EDT) Madelyn Powell

<powellm@arches.uga.edu> writes:

>whadya mean it (echinacea) can cause a flare up of lupus?

>very important question, have a friend with it, who uses it.

>

Are there any good natural herbal treatments or cures for Lupus? My wife

suffers ffrom this and I'd be interested in almost any reasonable

alternative form of treatment.

					Andy Jasiewicz



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Lupus

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Sat, 11 Apr 1998 03:14:13 -0400

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>Are there any good natural herbal treatments or cures for Lupus? My wife

suffers ffrom this and I'd be interested in almost any reasonable

alternative form of treatment



                                        Andy Jasiewicz<

Lupus is associated with the wolf-the wolf of the earth.

Susun Weed recommends a book called Lupus Novice by ?  ( a woman ).  Susun

said to eat seaweeds, avoid vegetable oils ( use olive oil ) and take

infusions of red clover, nettles, oatstraw, and comfrey

( separately, not together ).  Lupus is a type of autoimmune disease where

the autoimmune system attacks the physical body.  Protecting yourself

against yourself.   It takes more than just herbs, though.  At a deeper

level, there is fear involved.  Without outward realization the person may

be frightened by an action or thought. The fear (wolf) needs to embraced

and engaged to protect the person and not attack.

.Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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This information is only my opinion, and should never be

taken to replace professional medical advice.



 

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Subject: [HERBINFO] herb

From: "Christopher L. Stanton" <cstanton@longwood.lwc.edu>

Date: Fri, 10 Apr 1998 22:32:01 -0400 (EDT)

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I have compiled a list of over 800 herbs with midical uses, magickal uses,

and the names both family and botanical. If anyone would like a copy of

these as I get the chance to email them out, please email me privately.

Iwill try to send at least 5 a week, but no promises. If you want the

cultivation rules and such, email me a second email and I will email

those. Thanks



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: Melanoma

From: safesci@ntplx.net

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 12:55:42 -0400

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As a youth, I had excessive exposure to ultravioltet light radiation 

resulting from a medical prescription for acne.  I am now in my early 

50's and just had my first (and hopefully last) melanoma excised.  I 

was lucky, the surgeon was able to get all of the renigade cells.  My 

question is - what kinds of herbs can I take to boost my immune 

system?  I currently take Astragalus, and a few others.  I am looking 

for things I can take long term at low doses.

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Re: Melanoma

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 20:56:35 -0400

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Do some reading on Shitake and Mitake mushrooms......... you can eat as

whole food and also take  in   extract form.  They are touted as anti-tumor

but I don't know about melanoma....... you should do a little research.

donna in da mtns

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: Melanoma

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 02:01:44 -0400

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>My 

question is - what kinds of herbs can I take to boost my immune 

system?  I currently take Astragalus, and a few others.  I am looking 

for things I can take long term at low doses.<



Reishi and Shataki mushrooms.  Eat them, make tinctures of them, but take

them.  Also I would take aloe vera flower essence.  Eat and drink herbs

that are nutritional, dandelion root, alfalfa, nettles, etc.

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 10:14:28 -0400

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I would consider Essiac Tea.  Also, Grape Seed/Pine

Bark extract...will send more details if you can't find

info on these. claudia:-)

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Subject: [HERBINFO] thyroid/Synthroid

From: orwantcj@erols.com

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 20:08:17 -0700

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I've been on Synthroid for about 30 years--there are other synthetic

thyroid hormones besides Synthroid, though they did not work any better

in my experience.  I haven't found any herbal substitutes--too risky in

terms of quality control and dosage.  However, there are recent changes

in the recommended amount of Synthroid.  An increase of 25 micrograms

could make an improvement in how you feel.  Consult your physician.

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Asthma, was: RE: echinacea 

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 05:37:08 GMT

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On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 18:00:47 -0500, Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

wrote to "'herbinfo@Majordomo.net'" <herbinfo@Majordomo.net>:



(snip)

>YOU WROTE:

>....an allergic reaction.   it is not always, some of us have been chronic sufferers since childhood, it's predisposition is inherited. an attack of it may be triggered by exposure to allergens.  there's a difference.

> I ADD:

>Yes, Asthmatics have hyperreactive airways, and I believe that the way your body reacts to irritants/allergens is most probably inherited.  

>All the asthmatics I know have family members with histories of multiple allergies including hayfever and asthma.



There are two types of asthma, the olde kind (which a minority of asthma

sufferers have today), which makes the bronchials contract in spasms, and the

new kind (which a majority of asthma sufferers have today), which is an allergic

response clogging up your bronchials with allergy-produced mucous.

Both make you wheeze for breath.



You use different herbs for each.



HTH,

Henriette



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Subject: [HERBINFO] goldenseal powder

From: herbalkat@juno.com (Sandy Arora)

Date: Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:28:16 -0700

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Hi everyone,



I want to prepare an eyewash w/ goldenseal, and was wondering if it is ok

to open a capsule and use that powder as opposed to buying goldenseal

powder by itself?  I mean are there fillers in goldenseal capsules that

wouldn't be there in goldenseal powder?   Also, does anyone know of a

reasonably priced source for goldenseal powder?  TIA!:)



Sandy



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] goldenseal powder

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 05:36:29 GMT

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On Sun, 12 Apr 1998 23:28:16 -0700, herbalkat@juno.com (Sandy Arora) wrote to

herbinfo@Majordomo.net:



>I want to prepare an eyewash w/ goldenseal, and was wondering if it is ok

>to open a capsule and use that powder as opposed to buying goldenseal

>powder by itself?  I mean are there fillers in goldenseal capsules that

>wouldn't be there in goldenseal powder?   Also, does anyone know of a

>reasonably priced source for goldenseal powder?  TIA!:)



If you wish to use goldenseal powder you could just as well use Mahonia or

Berberis root powder - the alkaloids in goldenseal that are -not- found in

Berberis/Mahonia disappear rapidly when exposed to air, ie. when the herb is

powdered.



So, as goldenseal is practically extinct I urge you to go for Mahonia or

Berberis instead.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] goldenseal powder

From: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:20:49 -0700

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Henriette Kress wrote:

> So, as goldenseal is practically extinct I urge you to go for Mahonia or

> Berberis instead.

> 

> Henriette



Dear Henriette:



Why can't herb lovers plant goldenseal so it will not become extinct? 

Where can you get seed?  It apperars to me, due to it's being hard to

cultivate, there is no where else to go, but extinct.



Peace,

Jodi

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] goldenseal powder

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 21:23:52 GMT

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On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:20:49 -0700, jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net> wrote to

herbinfo@Majordomo.net:



>Why can't herb lovers plant goldenseal so it will not become extinct? 

>Where can you get seed?  It apperars to me, due to it's being hard to

>cultivate, there is no where else to go, but extinct.



You can't plant it from seed - or you can, but it won't grow. You need viable

roots, ie. fresh roots, preferably dug in fall. Good luck!



I believe Horizon Herbs have them; you could also try Richter's.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] goldenseal powder

From: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 23:58:06 -0700

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Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> On Tue, 14 Apr 1998 06:20:49 -0700, jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net> wrote to

> herbinfo@Majordomo.net:

> 

> >Why can't herb lovers plant goldenseal so it will not become extinct?

> >Where can you get seed?  It apperars to me, due to it's being hard to

> >cultivate, there is no where else to go, but extinct.

> 

> You can't plant it from seed - or you can, but it won't grow. You need viable

> roots, ie. fresh roots, preferably dug in fall. Good luck!

> 

> I believe Horizon Herbs have them; you could also try Richter's.

> 

> Henriette

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Dear Henriette:



I understand goldenseal grows in woodland areas, perhaps they could be

planted under our 200+ year old maples.  What do you think?  Do you grow

any?



Peace,

Jodi

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] goldenseal powder

From: Ann <hathor@cheta.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 01:46:52 -0400

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Re:

<<> >Why can't herb lovers plant goldenseal so it will not become

extinct?

> >Where can you get seed? >>



~~~~~~~~~~~ I don't think it's so hard to grow. It just really loves the

cool. I have some goldenseal and some gingseng planted by my front porch

which is on a northern slope in the Appalachian mountains. Both of them

seem to be quite happy. However I have no plans to harvest either of

them before they've had seven years to establish.

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Flax Seed

From: Paula <pswarner@pacbell.net>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 07:42:31 -0700

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Hi all!



What do you all know about Flax Seed and dry skin??



Paula



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Flax Seed

From: CLHW@InfoAve.Net (CLHW@InFoAve.Net)

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 17:06:04 -0400 (EDT)

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flaxseed oil, 1 tablespoon per day, was recommended to me by my doctor (an

M.D. specializing in treating people who have been chemically injured) to

help but moisture in my skin and hair. When I take it, I can tell a

difference.



Lynn



 >Hi all!

>

>What do you all know about Flax Seed and dry skin??

>

>Paula

>





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Flax Seed

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 09:29:29 -0400

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Flax seed is loaded with Omega 3 Essential Fatty Acids, which is supposedly

very good for the skin......... eating it whole , it will go right through

you and can be a pretty good laxative.   But for maximum benefits, use a

grinder to  make flax seed meal and use  a few  spoons full daily .  It

should be refrigerated  to prevent rancidity.  Dr. Andrew Weil( 8-weeks to

Optimum Health)  is an advocate of using it, and you can learn more at his

Q & A web site and on his archive .

http://www.drweil.com

 

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Flax Seed

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 02:01:36 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@Majordomo.net

>What do you all know about Flax Seed and dry skin??

<



Flax seed easily becomes rancid.  Many herbalists will not recommend it

because of this problem.



Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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in sunny Northern California

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Flax Seed

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 08:31:08 -0500

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I have a flax seed muffin recipe which has made me feel like a different

person by eating one every morning.  Not only is it good fiber, but my skin

is actually softer!  At first with the skin thing I thought it was just me,

but others noticed as well and that is the only thing I changed.



It is very important to only grind as much as you  need and if you do have

any leftover put it in the fridge.  As an herbalist, I am a firm believer

in the addition of this to your diet.



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re:thyroid

From: Doris Tuck <dlt@interlink.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 08:26:12 -0700

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>> I am currently on

>> Synthroid, and alopathic thyroid hormone that those with hypo do not

produce,

>> or not enough. 

>

>I hate to inform you but once you're on synthroid, you're on it for

>life.  The thyroid, once it becomes sluggish, that's it, it is not a

>regenerative gland.

>

>Although, kelp supplements (iodine) help those that are not yet taking

>thyroidal stimulants or replacements.





>Yes, I know I am on Synthroid for life, but as someone who worte me

mentioned,

>and I thougt this true as well, I could take Armour which will kick start the

>thyroid. Someone else also mentioned that for women, often it is not

>hypothyroidism but a need for Progesterone via ProGest cream. So, there is

>much to learn here and I don't feel I have hit the bottom of the barrel yet.

>As an herbalist, I have recently started taking natural steroid and hormonal

>herbs to see if that helps to replaces, to some degree, Synthroid, or at

least

>helps to kick-start the thyroid too. 





Ummm, I don't know about your case, but when I was young (many long years 

ago) I was checked (one time a breathing test, some years a later they hit

the 

back of my ankle with a little rubber hammer to test thyroid function) and

it was 

determined that my thyroid was low.  I took thyroid for a few years a couple 

different times.  When I started working at Kaiser (again, many long years

ago) 

I began to have a feeling that maybe I didn't need to do this.  I talked to

the head 

of endocrinology about whether things might change if I went off the

thyroid for 

a long enough period of time.  He said it was possible.  I quit taking it

and after 

6 months had T3 and something else (T4?) done and it was fine.  



Again, your case may be totally different, but talk to your doctor.



Doris



Oh, Goddess, please don't let there be anymore of that ugly formatting

stuff in 

these copies that I messed up the list with before!





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Re:thyroid

From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 21:29:17 EDT

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<<<< Ummm, I don't know about your case, but when I was young (many long years

 ago) I was checked (one time a breathing test, some years a later they hit

 the  back of my ankle with a little rubber hammer to test thyroid function)

and

 it was  determined that my thyroid was low.  I took thyroid for a few years a

couple 

 different times.  When I started working at Kaiser (again, many long years

 ago)  I began to have a feeling that maybe I didn't need to do this.  I

talked to

 the head  of endocrinology about whether things might change if I went off

the

 thyroid for  a long enough period of time.  He said it was possible.  I quit

taking it

 and after  6 months had T3 and something else (T4?) done and it was fine.  

 

 <<<<Again, your case may be totally different, but talk to your doctor.

 

<<<< Doris

 

<<<< Oh, Goddess, please don't let there be anymore of that ugly formatting

 stuff in  these copies that I messed up the list with before!  >>>>



WOW That is how they diagnosed you? To determine if someone is really hypo or

hyperthyroid a blood test is used. TSH and T4 levels are MEASURED and the

results are according to that outcome. Any doctor diagnosing something as

serious as hypo or hyperthyroidism with a mere breathing test or knee tap does

not know what he is doing. I am sorry you were put on this medication without

sufficient scientific testing. :(



In most cases, anyone who goes off thyroid medicien will not recover as you

did, but get worse. You recovered because you probably never needed it in the

first place. I can't say that for certain, but the method of diagnosis used on

you is very questionable at best. Anyway, no one should go off this medication

in general.



Pari

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Subject: [HERBINFO] RE:  Asthma, was: RE: echinacea 

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 11:16:38 -0500

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YOU WROTE:

there are two types of asthma, the olde kind (which a minority of asthma sufferers have today), which makes the bronchials contract in spasms, and the new kind (which a majority of asthma sufferers have today), which is an allergic response clogging up your bronchials with allergy-produced mucous. Both make you wheeze for breath.

You use different herbs for each.



I ADD:

I believe I addressed both early stage and 2nd stage asthma in my full post.  We were not discussing which herbs to use to treat asthma but whether or not asthma sufferers can use echinacea for other purposes without that herb triggering an asthma attack.

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From: beth@bicnet.net

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 12:30:52 -0400

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Seeking reliable,distributor of quality herbs:



I, too, would like to be able to locate a reliable herb distributor.  I

am currently taking St. John's Wort, Dong Quai, and Evening Primrose Oil

daily for PMS symptoms.  Results have been wonderful, but all three can

be fairly costly.  Would appreciate any suggestions.



Thanks, Beth





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Cortisone?

From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 13:31:18 EDT

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Does anyone know natural sources of cortisone other than licorice root? 



Pari

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From: Wayne and Sandra Riner <rinerw@planetc.com>

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Parijata2 wrote:

> 

> Does anyone know natural sources of cortisone other than licorice root?

> 

> Pari



Bee stings <GG>

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Herbal Green Pages Online

From: HERBWORLD <HERBWORLD@aol.com>

Date: Mon, 13 Apr 1998 23:26:37 EDT

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The Herbal Green Pages Online has been expanded to over a thousand listings of

businesses that either wholesale or retail herbal and/or aromatherapy products

& services.  The site is also searchable.  This is nowhere near our 400+ page

book....but it will give you all some places to look.  We've added hyperlinks

where available but some of these people change e-mail addresses with their

underwear and it's hard to keep up with them    Check it out at

http://www.herbworld.com and if you have any problems with it let us know.



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Subject: [HERBINFO] planting herbs

From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P. Jasiewicz)

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:22:14 EDT

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I just ordered some herb plants today. If I plant the perennials in

containers above ground will they winter over outdoors next year or will

I have to bring them inside to protect them? My yard is small and there's

not alot of places with full sun exposure. Containers seem to be a

practical option as they will control the rampant spreaders and I can put

them in places where I couldn't plant (like on my porch).

					Andy Jasiewicz

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] planting herbs

From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Tue, 14 Apr 1998 22:53:56 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-14 22:26:09 EDT, apj6@juno.com writes:



<< I just ordered some herb plants today. If I plant the perennials in

 containers above ground will they winter over outdoors next year or will

 I have to bring them inside to protect them? >>



Andy,



I have some dicanthus(sp?) sometimes called pinks, that were transplanted from

a rock garden to pots last spring. Over the winter I placed the pots on the

sheltered side of our home. They did just fine but we did have a very mild

winter. I would think  if you moved them to a sheltered location and mulched

them in real good so the roots stay protected (kinda like if they were in the

ground) they would do fine. Some garden centers in our location (western

Maryland) heavily mulch trees in pot for the winter. Make sure the pots are

totally covered (the entire pot) with a thick layer of mulch.

Goodluck!

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] planting herbs

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 06:09:05 -0400

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> My yard is small and there's

> not alot of places with full sun exposure. Containers seem to be a

> practical option as they will control the rampant spreaders and I can put

> them in places where I couldn't plant (like on my porch).



What zone are you in?

My rosemary, thyme, and sage did well in containers over the winter, as

did my strawberries and lavender.  (Zone 7b)  I have a terra cotta Sedum

garden which did well and is about to take over the pot again.  Sweet

woodruff and SJW survivied in a container also.

however, my bay laurel came inside as it is a zone 9 shrub.



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From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:40:54 -0500

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I live in what is known as zone 5 in the USA.  Herbs planted in pots

need to be kept in a shed, a garage or buried in a heavy mulch after

they have frozen.  The things planted in the ground need to be frozen

and kept frozen in ice in order to make a successful come back the

following year.  It's the thawing and freezing that kills them.  



Deborah - USA



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> I just ordered some herb plants today. If I plant the perennials in

> containers above ground will they winter over outdoors next year or will

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: Goldenseal

From: creationsgarden@juno.com (Karen S Vaughan)

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 00:17:11 -0400

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Goldenseal really needs woods to grow, but can be grown in orchards too. 

Horizon Herbs or Richters can provide seeds or plants.  If you do use

goldenseal, restrict it to conditions affecting the mucous membranes and

use it sparingly.



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] roaches!!

From: CLHW@InfoAve.Net (CLHW@InFoAve.Net)

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:13:25 -0400 (EDT)

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not so much herbal but more natural...



sprinkle diatomaceous earth mixed with confectioner's sugar in their area

(under cabinets). be sure babies and cats and puppies don't have access to

this. it is not poisonous but not good for tender skin or insides.



another possibility - Borax and confectioner's sugar

or boric acid.

a lot of hardware stores in our area carry boric acid in a plastic squeeze

bottle for shooting the powder into cracks.



the boric acid and diatomaceous earth both eat through the chitinous

carapace (outside shell) and the intestine.



you need to repeat this every 2 weeks for at least 3 go-rounds.  the adults

you kill this time have laid eggs which will hatch in 2 weeks. and the eggs

hatching now will be adults laying eggs in 2 weeks which will hatch 4 weeks

after the original.



natural methods are not "one step kills ALL" -- you have to be persistent.



>has anyone got a herbal remedy for roaches even poison doesnt get rid of

>them help!

>annelize

>





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] roaches!!

From: dream@ilink.nis.za

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:25:46 -0700

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has anyone got a herbal remedy for roaches even poison doesnt get rid of

them help!

annelize



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] roaches!!

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 19:19:31 -0400 (EDT)

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I don't have an HERBAL remedy for roaches, but I do have a couple of

suggestions:



1) sprinkle diatamaceous earth in areas they frequent.



2) make up a mixture of white glue (like Elmer's) and boric acid, and put

this in cracks, etc. where they might be.  They like the taste of glue,

and the boric acid will kill them.



Good luck!



- Ela



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] roaches!!

From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 21:24:14 -0500

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dream@ilink.nis.za wrote:

> 

> has anyone got a herbal remedy for roaches even poison doesnt get rid of





Try using Borax mixed with powdered sugar.  It works to destroy ants

nest.  Maybe it will work for roaches.

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] roaches!!

From: The Kaos Project <hecate@lineone.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 00:56:23 -0700

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dream@ilink.nis.za wrote:

> has anyone got a herbal remedy for roaches even poison doesnt get rid of

> them help!



This is everything BUT herbal, but washing the floors (assuming they

come from the drains) with Jayes Fluid (or Dettol to a lesser extent)

kills them.

In a country where I used to live it was customary to pour kerosene

down the drains to get rid of them but (a) this is only a good idea

if you have cesspits rather than sewers (even then it kills the

bacteria put in cesspits to process the waste and (b) I'd swear the

damn things ate the stuff.



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] roaches!!

From: sno0wl@earthlink.net

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 09:50:57 +0000

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On 15 Apr 98 at 21:25, dream@ilink.nis.za wrote:



> has anyone got a herbal remedy for roaches even poison doesnt get

> rid of them help! annelize



Boric Acid powder has always worked for me. I get it in a squeeze 

bottle with a nozzle and squeeze some in back of the sink and stove 

and any kitchen furniture. I have also saved jar lids and put some 

sugar mixed with boric acid powder in them, then set them on shelves 

in cabinets.  The neat thing is that roaches walk it back to their 

nests and then, apparently, when they try to clean it off their feet, 

they die. Or so I've been told. Be sure to put it where pets can't 

reach it.



<3<3<3

Marilyn  

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From: dream@ilink.nis.za

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 20:19:15 -0700

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Thank you all ..Im going to try these remedies ..tomorrow is shopping

day ;)

annelize



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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 05:55:38 -0400

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>  a herbal remedy for roaches 



Boric Acid around the footboards of your house and on window sills.  A

line of it under sink, behind the fridge.  



IF you have a woodpile, move it away from the house.  A roach's job is

to break down dead wood into humus and forest floor goodies, so they

really do have an honest job in life.  



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From: Ann <hathor@cheta.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 12:30:23 -0400

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re:

<<a herbal remedy for roaches 



Boric Acid around the footboards of your house and on window sills.

A

line of it under sink, behind the fridge.  



>>

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ I lived in a roach infested apartment in Dallas

once. We're talking Texas size roaches that would dance on your nose in

the middle of the night. I cleared them out with a recipe I clipped from

Ann Landers column on how to make roach biscuits.

                     Some boric acid, some sugar, some flour, and a wee

bit of sweet milk to hold it all together. Roll up little tiny balls

about the size of shot for a kid's bb gun and place them all around the

baseboards and water sources. 

                     The roaches think they're yummy and carry the balls

back into the nests to feed the queens hatching new roaches and before

long they've gone to roach heaven. 

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 16:46:23 -0400

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> arrghh and the house has WOODEN floors through out!!



roaches are not interested in your household woods as termites would be.

I would suggest a thorough cleaning and getting rid of anything anywhere

that they can hide in.  I have just recently moved my woodpile off the

side of my house as I was getting the HUGE woodroaches occassionally. 

These are the kind that stomping on just won't kill, so I eliminate the

source.  



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From: sno0wl@earthlink.net

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:39:02 +0000

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On 16 Apr 98 at 13:09, dream@ilink.nis.za wrote:



> arrghh and the house has WOODEN floors through out!!



If you center your attack in the kitchen--or the room where they are 

most active--, you may find that they disappear from elsewhere in the 

house.



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From: "CoraLynn McKelvy" <coralynnmckelvy@usa.net>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:07:01 -0400

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I'm from Michigan & never really knew about these critters until moving to

Tennessee. BOY, was I in for an awakening!!!



I have successfully used straight 20 Mule Team Borax. Just scattered it

everywhere when the infestation was REALLY bad. Put it in the cupboards

with no liners, behind the fridge & stove, under the sinks, etc. Worked

really well, took about 2 weeks before I stopped seeing them.



I have also run across a recipe for balls made with Borax & onions that are

supposed to work, but I've not tried it.



CoraLynn

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> Date: Thursday, April 16, 1998 12:25 AM

> 

> has anyone got a herbal remedy for roaches even poison doesnt get rid of

> them help!

> annelize

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:45:00 -0400 (EDT)

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Most of the roaches who infest wood piles are not the kind of roach which

invades a house.



>arrghh and the house has WOODEN floors through out!!

>

>annelize

> Hawk`scry wrote:

>>

>> >  a herbal remedy for roaches

>>

>> Boric Acid around the footboards of your house and on window sills.  A

>> line of it under sink, behind the fridge.

>>

>> IF you have a woodpile, move it away from the house.  A roach's job is

>> to break down dead wood into humus and forest floor goodies, so they

>> really do have an honest job in life.

>>

>> hawkscry

>>

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From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <gwm@thc-tsg.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 23:05:12 -0500

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Third attempt.  I only keep trying cause everyone just says boric acid (which 

does work).   Osage oranges are a plant solution to roaches.  (I thought I 

sent this last night but must have replied only to the oriiginal asker.  If 

you get it twice then it's deja vu all over again)



The fruit is small (fist size) hard green brain looking (convoluted) and

inedible.  It gives off pyrethrins that the roaches don't like.  One in a room

will drive them away.  2 or thee in an apartment will chase them to the

neighbors.  It doesn't kill them, just drives them away.   When the fruit

falls off it is easy to gather.   I have found that while usualy the fruit

will become dessicated over a season, sometimes it gets gloppy like a rotten

fruit.   Best to put it in a small dish on top of a cabinet, under a sink, in

a cupboard, etc.   It is nontoxic to children, adults and animals (including

big dumb dogs).  



It is small on up to 20 ft plus high tree.   It is also called bodark, bois

d'arc, bowwood or hedge apple.  Originally from Osage Indian territory (Texas,

Arkansas, Oklahoma),  now planted around US as ornamental and for shade.  

Thorny twigs and bitter sap - settlers planted it for a fence before barbed

wire.   Indians used wood for bows and clubs.   Wood chips if boiled make a

yellow dye.



Belongs to mulberry family (Moraceae).  Genus Maclura, species M. pomifera

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From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 06:15:50 -0400 (EDT)

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Where can one buy an osage orange if there are none available as

ornamental plants, etc. in the area?  Thanks!



- Ela



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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:37:24 -0400

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> The fruit is small (fist size) hard green brain looking (convoluted) and

> inedible.



Actually, you can make marmalde from them.  :-)  I just bought a tree

recently, also called a 'Flying Dragon' grows 10-50' and is VISCIOUS in

the winter time, major thorns!!!!



> Wood chips if boiled make a

> yellow dye.



Thanks for that bit of info, didn't know that.  

hawkscry

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From: "Cheryl" <gardenscent@mailexcite.com>

Date: Wed, 15 Apr 1998 20:10:37 -0700

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Has anyone ever heard of eating flax seed sprouts?



Thanks for any info...

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From: Bythemoon <Bythemoon@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 15:48:09 EDT

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Hello gentlefolk!



I am growing my first herb garden (am very excited about this), however I have

just discovered I have a major problem with aphids and tiny white flies that

also love my herbs and plants. I only want to garden organically and have not

yet gotten any books on controlling pests. Do any of you have any suggestions

on how tpo get rid of these little creeps?



Thanks!



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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 17:04:27 -0400

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> I only want to garden organically and have not

> yet gotten any books on controlling pests. Do any of you have any suggestions

> on how tpo get rid of these little creeps?



rotenone.... 

also, buy lady bugs or praying mantis eggs.

May I recommend anything by Rodale Press on organic gardening.



If you spray or apply anything, please do it in the evening.  An

extremely hot day and damp (morning dew) will cause anything you apply

to shock the plant.  Water plants in the morning, apply pesticides (even

organic) in the evening.  



Yeah, and talk to them, you'll be surprised.  :-)



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From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 18:31:27 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-16 15:50:28 EDT, Bythemoon@aol.com writes:



<< Hello gentlefolk!

 

 I am growing my first herb garden (am very excited about this), however I

have

 just discovered I have a major problem with aphids and tiny white flies that

 also love my herbs and plants. >>



Lora,

Companion planting. Try tansy, chives, garlic, nasturniums, mint and I'm sure

I missed some. I also use safer insecticide soap. My husband sprays weekly

with a strong spray of water and soap. I don't think bugs like the taste of

soap.

Goodluck,

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Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 21:20:01 -0400

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Merry Meet

I too have noticed an unusually high number of amphids in my garden this

year.  Hope the Mantis(sp?) hatch soon.

Blessed Be

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Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 09:27:00 -0400

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> I too have noticed an unusually high number of aphids



I tend to go out and flick them off with my fingers when I walk by my

roses.  My lady bugs are already here, haven't seen the mantis eggs on

any of my trees lately.  oh well!



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Bythemoon wrote:



Aphid



Chives.



I plant chives near rose bushes and near things I want to protect.  I

have garlic and onion chives.  They are lovely flower at different times

and taste great.



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From: Carla James <carjam@bulloch.com>

Date: Thu, 16 Apr 1998 19:18:59 -0400

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Roaches also like paper bags and cardboard. Considering storing those

elsewhere if they are currently stored in the problem areas of your home.



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From: Doris Tuck <dlt@interlink.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 08:31:30 -0700

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We seem to have an active thread going here on roaches.  I wonder 

if I can interest anyone in a detour onto termites.



We have an infestation on one side of our house and according to the 

several termite companies that I have called tenting is the only way to 

get rid of them.  



One company is willing to use nitrogen and freeze them (costs just as 

much as tenting, around $2500) but don't promise they'll all be gone.  

In fact, rather imply that they will not all be gone.  However, a friend 

said he once took one and froze it and when he removed it from freezer, 

it warmed up, woke up, and toddled off.  I have my doubts about this.



It's difficult to find alternative methods.  I even called one of the "green" 

things that I send money to and get newsletters from to ask advice but 

they didn't know of anything.



Anyone?



Anything?



Thanks,



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From: dream@ilink.nis.za

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 15:12:17 -0700

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Doris Tuck wrote:

> 

> We seem to have an active thread going here on roaches.  I wonder

> if I can interest anyone in a detour onto termites.

> 

> We have an infestation on one side of our house and according to the

> several termite companies that I have called tenting is the only way to

> get rid of them.

> 

> One company is willing to use nitrogen and freeze them (costs just as

> much as tenting, around $2500) but don't promise they'll all be gone.

> In fact, rather imply that they will not all be gone.  However, a friend

> said he once took one and froze it and when he removed it from freezer,

> it warmed up, woke up, and toddled off.  I have my doubts about this.

> 

> It's difficult to find alternative methods.  I even called one of the "green"

> things that I send money to and get newsletters from to ask advice but

> they didn't know of anything.

> 

> Anyone?

> 

> Anything?

> 

> Thanks,

> 

> Doris

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I used " coarse salt ..liberally sprinkled at the entrances ..and HOT

water 

it is quick and gets the nest amoving very fast 

annelize





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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 23:59:08 -0400

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> I though I had subscribed to

> an herb list not a bug list.



herbs and plants are used for many things, not just medicinals.

Sorry you feel that way, but organics and natural methods should be

incorporated into everyday life, not just for 'health' reasons.



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Flax Seed Muffin Recipe

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 10:55:33 -0500

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(To those who have asked, yes you can grind the flax seed in your blender,

it grinds fairly easy)



Ingredients:

2 cups ground flax seed flour

1 1/4 c. white flour

1 1/4 c. whole wheat flour

1 tbspn baking powder

1/4 cup honey

1/4 cup molasses

1 cup skim milk

3 tbspn canola or olive oil

2 eggs



Mix together the flours and baking powder.  In another bowl, stir together

the remaining ingredients.  Stir the dry ingredients into the wet

ingredients just until all is moistened.  Fill muffin tins 2/3 full and

Bake at 350 degrees for approx. 20 minutes or until done.





Sorry it took so long to post this, have been busy shipping herb plant

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Fri, 17 Apr 1998 14:15:00 -0400

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> Mix together the flours

> 2 cups ground flax seed flour

> 1 1/4 c. white flour

> 1 1/4 c. whole wheat flour



I need a replacement for wheat in this recipe, what would be a viable

alternative.  I have barley, brown rice, and oat flour.  I also have

Xanthan gum (for the 'gluten' substitute) how much would I need?



Does anyone have 'bread' recipes for those with corn and wheat

intolerances?  I am _desperately_ seeking some, the easier, the better.

Doesn't need to be elaborate, just taste good without having to toast

it.  



TIA

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Tendonitis

From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 07:29:09 EDT

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Hello one and all,

     Hoping for some suggestions.My hubby has excruciating tennis elbow.He is

a ceramic tile installer and developed the pain about a month ago.He wears the

arm band while he works.And takes aleve for inflammation.Someone suggested SJW

oil.We tried Jethro Kloss' linament on it last night and he said that helped a

bit as long as heat was administered. Thanks .

       Peacefully, Marianne

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From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:41:22 -0400

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I mix some Arnica montana and a little Rosemary oil into my SJW oil for a

rub.

Also Balm of Gilead can be added.

Donna in da mtns.



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Termites

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Sat, 18 Apr 1998 20:26:42 -0400

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Just got a newsletter from Carolina Farm Stewardship Assn. which is

proponent of organic and sustainabler agriculture.  They  have an article

about just this thing.  They warn not to let commercial pest control

companies alarm you with dire warnings, scaring you into making a rash

decision in favor of expensive and poisonous treatments.

Although they do damage homes, they do not work so fast that you can't take

your time making an informed decision.

Their suggestions:

1.  Understand the termite habitat, and disrupt it.  *There is too much to

say about this to write it all here , and I would be glad to send a copy of

the article via snail mail if you send me your address by private e-mail.

2. investigate  less toxic treatments such as heat, electro gun, and

nematodes

3.  Even using boric acid, diatomaceous earth, silica gel, and pyrethrums

can help.

 They stress preventative measures.

 There was also a list of  Resources....but this one stood out:

Bill Currie, leading commercial expert on the least toxic structural pest

control

William Currie, IMPI

PO Box 12469

Prescott, Az 86304

(520) 776-7782



They explain that termites are an important part of the forest ecosystem so

if you live in a rural setting, bait systems are discouraged.  However if

you live in an urban environment there are baiting systems that avoid the

soil saturation treatments.

BTW:  A conventional termite chemical  called Dursban, made by DowElanco ,

was cited as including some highly noxious ingredients when Dow was slapped

with the largest fine ever imposed by the EPA for withholding info on

hundreds of cases of adverse health effects from exposure to the

ingredients in Dursban..... when it was appealed , the fine was INCREASED(

just an indication of  how bad  the judge thought it was)!!

 Donna 

in the mountains of western North Carolina

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Planting stuff contin'

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 01:25:47 -0500

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Ivyvine058 wrote:

> 

> In a message dated 98-04-05 15:21:40 EDT, you write:

> 

> << Chamomile is

>  listed as an annual which reseeds itself? Does this mean that I can just

>  leave the planted bed alone from year to year and it will automatically

>  reseed and reproduce on it's own? I'd really appreciate any and all input

>  anyone may care to give me.

>                                         Andy Jasiewicz >>

> 

> Andy yes, I leave all my plants to seed over winter you would be suprised to

> see what comes up the next year.

> I have also been to the site, do not want 10 plants either. Maybe someone can

> suggest an herb nursery that does not require a minimum purchase.

> denise

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Hiya Folks!

   I posted awhile back about my new herb "garden", if you want to call

it that anyway.  I had trouble with my starters of Lavender.  Took the

advice from some of the posts about the type I was trying to grow and

lo' and behold! I have since successfully maintained the new ones I

bought both the English and the French variety. (Will have to look on

the plant tag to tell ya the botanical names) but they are doing

beautifully!  

  Since that time I have acquired Pennyroyal, Sweet Basil, Spicy Globe

Basil, German Chamomile, Tarrogon, Rosemary, Thyme (3 kinds) , Lovage,

Chocolate Mint, Peppermint, Spearmint, Orange Mint, Hyssop, Lemon

Verbena, Three kinds of Sage, Fennel, Dill, Curry, Oregano, Yarrow,

Anise, Lemon Balm, Valerian, Vervain, and Artemisia!!!!!!  Each and

every one of them are thriving!!!!  

  I live in zone 9 (Florida) and I only use peat Humus and regular

potting soil when they are new then transplant them when they get too

big for the containers, in the sandy-type ground with a bit of a mix of

humus, potting soil and top soil and some organic kitchen scraps that I

pulverize in the blender and add water. 

 The problem is:  Don't know what I am doing right?????  should I

continue?  Is there a place on the web where I can get more info on

"companion planting"?  Also, I have had no problems whatsoever with bugs

and insects on the plants and need to know if I need to look out for

anything during the hot summers here?



  Can anyone help?



  Thanks!



 Choalayna



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Planting stuff contin'

From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 07:31:02 -0500

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Yes,



Chamomile will reseed itself every year.  I started with one little

plant and now have it growing all over the place.  The wind blows the

seeds everywhere which is nice, when I find it growing in a place where

it will be in the way of other plants I just move it to a location where

is will be welcome.  



Other reseeding herbs I have are Thyme,Parsley both Italian and

regular.  Dill.



When my chamomile is in full bloom whenever I have a bad day, I just

stick head in the mass of flowers and breath deep.  It always makes me

feel better.



> Ivyvine058 wrote:

> >

> > In a message dated 98-04-05 15:21:40 EDT, you write:

> >

> > << Chamomile is

> >  listed as an annual which reseeds itself? Does this mean that I can just

> >  leave the planted bed alone from year to year and it will automatically

> >  reseed and reproduce on it's own?





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From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 22:04:28 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-19 02:57:58 EDT, PROCESSOR@prodigy.net writes:



<<  The problem is:  Don't know what I am doing right?????  should I

 continue?  >>



Choalayna,



Sorry but I live in a boarder line zone 6 - 7. Lots of clay and lots more rock

in the foothills of the Catoctin Mts. Can't help you with pests, planting and

soil conditions.



Hopefully these web sites can. Just follow the links.



Companion Plants Online

http://www.frognet.net/companion_plants (commercial)



Gardening Links

http://www.hht.com/bus/horns/green-thumb/links.htm.



Complete Gardener Encyclopedia

http://pathfinder.com/vgtimelife/cg.



Herb Net

http;//www.herbnet.com



Goodluck,

denise

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Planting stuff contin'

From: Choalayna <PROCESSOR@prodigy.net>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 00:21:38 -0500

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Ivyvine058 wrote:

> 

> In a message dated 98-04-19 02:57:58 EDT, PROCESSOR@prodigy.net writes:

> 

> <<  The problem is:  Don't know what I am doing right?????  should I

>  continue?  >>

> 

 

>Sorry but I live in a boarder line zone 6 - 7. Lots of clay and lots >more rock in the foothills of the Catoctin Mts. Can't help you with >pests, planting and soil conditions.



<snipped>





Perfect, thanks Denise! I also got a book today, suggested by our very

own Karen Shelton Rodales Encyclopedia of Herbs and have been reading

all day!  



  Anybody got any ideas about making slopes or should I try to make a

raised bed?  The yard that I am trying to make my garden is flat, sandy,

and full of what we would have called "crabgrass" up North but here its

called "lawn".  There is alot of references to sloping or gradient

and/or raised beds when trying to raise these little babies. any ideas?

Comments? suggestions? warnings?



 As far as clay and rocks, there is quite a bit of info on growing

plants in that type and alot you can do. We here have sandy, dry soil

and not alot rocks and alot of salt water and hot hot sun. I am afraid

that come deep summer all these plants that say they like "full sun",

not so sure they are talking about july/August here in Florida! <S>

 Thanks for the websites!  I am on my way! 



 Choalayna



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Lavender 

From: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 00:25:32 -0700

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Dear List Buds:



Hello, I have a problem.  I ordered 4 different varieties of lavender

seeds last week from a seed company because seeds are cheaper than

plants to buy.  I think I just wasted my money.  I spent the morning

going from greenhouse to greenhouse trying to find out how to

successfully start lavender from seed.  The results were not good. 

Every one of the people I've talked to said lavender was nearly

impossibly to start from seed and that it would pretty much be a miracle

if I could get it to germinate. 



Does anyone have any pearls of wisdom for me?  Has anyone sucessfully

started lavender from seed?  Can you share your method with me?



Peace,

Jodi

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Lavender 

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 05:34:55 -0400 (EDT)

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Gosh, I have lavender plants here that I started from seed.   They are the

"Lady Lavender" variety.  I just stuck them in soil and watered them every

other day or so, and a few days later, they came up.  I had no idea this

was supposed to be difficult; maybe I just had exceptionally good luck?



- Ela



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Plant ID's

From: "Lori Herron" <lori@groupus.com>

Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 13:48:49 -0400

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Hi, all!



My friend Karen scanned some plants she found on a roadside excursion and

posted them at  http://www.altnature.com/nature_notes.htm.



She would appreciate help in identifying these plants, please e-mail me

privately (don't send to the list!!) at lori@groupus.com if you know what

they are. Can't tell from the books she has, and I'm clueless as well.  Is

there a botanist on board that could help us out?



Also, if anyone out there has plants they can't identify and can scan &

e-mail or snail-mail photos to me, I'll post them there for identification.

Mailing address is on the site.



Warmly,



Lori



Lori Herron

Alternative Nature Online Herbal

http://www.altnature.com





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Subject: [HERBINFO] Goldenseal & Ginseng Source

From: Ann <hathor@cheta.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 08:19:46 -0400

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I knew I had it somewhere. Here is the address of a company that is

trying to help re-establish goldenseal and gingseng that has been

wildcrafted into near extinction. If you're interested in trying to grow

some I believe this would be the time to order plants.

    These plants love cool so of course they aren't going to grow

everywhere. However these guys know their stuff so they can give you

excellent advice if you're interested in giving it a try.

    NC Ginseng & Goldenseal Co.

    148 Anderson Br. Rd.

    Marshall, NC 28753

      704.649.3536



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From: HERBWORLD <HERBWORLD@aol.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:33:51 EDT

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There are many other sources for goldenseal and ginseng seeds and seedlings

that may be a little more reliable than one mentioned for serious information.



Nature's Cathedral 319-454-6959 is probably one of the best...

Barney's Ginseng Patch 573-564-2575

Lynnwood Gardens at lynnwood@epix.net

Tuckasegee Vallen Ginseng  704-293-5189  (also has a growers' guide: American

Ginseng: Green Gold)





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Goldenseal & Ginseng Source

From: Ann <hathor@cheta.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 19:18:58 -0400

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Re:

<<There are many other sources for goldenseal and ginseng seeds and

seedlings

that may be a little more reliable than one mentioned for serious

information.

>>



~~~~~~~~~ I was surprised to learn of a ginseng farm in Tuckasegee. That

used to be me ole stompin' grounds and I saw the Christmas tree farm

industry build up but hadn't heard word one on a ginseng outfit. Other

than the usual family wildcrafters and they are everywhere up here.)

          I'm baffled as to why you suggest that NC Ginseng and

Goldenseal would be less reliable. The elixirs I've purchased from them

have been wonderful and the plants have taken root. Have you had some

sort of negative business dealings with them?

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: Osage oranges and roaches

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 10:11:59 -0500

--------

It might.  haven't tried it.  On the peculiar side of repellents, Science 

News just had a story on how the goo from the glands of cottonwood leaf 

beetle larvae repels ants (and presumably termites).  The interesting part is 

that you could make a solution of aspirin since the baby beetle chemical is 

closely related to salicylic acid - the active ingredient in aspirin.  



On 17 Apr 98 at 8:39 

Doris Tuck wrote: 



> Do you have any idea if this effective against termites?  We MUST do 

> something before warm weather as they come out and fly around and get 

> in the bed and everything.  Yuck!

Gerald W McClurg

Director

Technical Services Group 

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Re: Osage oranges and roaches

From: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 06:41:44 -0700

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Gerald W. McClurg wrote:

> 

> It might.  haven't tried it.  On the peculiar side of repellents, Science

> News just had a story on how the goo from the glands of cottonwood leaf

> beetle larvae repels ants (and presumably termites).  The interesting part is

> that you could make a solution of aspirin since the baby beetle chemical is

> closely related to salicylic acid - the active ingredient in aspirin.

> 

Dear Gerald:



I read this as well in Science News.  I love this magazine.  Since I do

have ants, I'm goint to try it out.  Too bad they did not say how strong

of a solution to try.



Peace,

Jodi

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Subject: [HERBINFO] What are your favorite web sites?

From: Roberta Thurmond <rthurmon@cecasun.utc.edu>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 14:43:34 -0400 (EDT)

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Greetings All,



Since the list has been quiet maybe I won't get in trouble for asking for

favorite web sites relating to Herbs?



I've been gardening for oh 8, or so, years now.  I've only this year

gotten interested in growing herbs.  And of course learning LOTS about

herbs, anything relating to them.



I've been busy reading books, articles, web sites, etc.



I wondered if anyone would mind sharing their favorite web sites or books?  



I need to learn more about herbs!



Thank you for your time,



Roberta

Tennessee, Zone 7





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From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:25:40 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-21 14:47:05 EDT, rthurmon@cecasun.utc.edu writes:



<< I wondered if anyone would mind sharing their favorite web sites or books?

>>



Roberta,



I love so many gardening books, the only one that comes to mind right now is

Carrots Love Tomatos.



As for gardening sites, 



Garden Guides

http://gardenguides.com/index.html



Gardening Links

http://www.hht.com/bus/horns/green-thumb/links.htm



Garden Net

http://trine.com/gardennet/internetguide



Herb Net

http://www.herbnet.com



These should keep you busy for a while. Just follow the links!



Enjoy,



denise

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Dandelions

From: "Cissie Buckert" <buckert@vegas.net>

Date: Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:33:22 -0700

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Hi herbinfoers,



Since Sam's worried that the list might have died ;-) I've decide to

de-lurk to ask you all about something that's been really bothering me the

last few days.



My neighbor was telling me how much she uses dandelions.  We live in the

Mojave Desert & there is not a lot of dandelions around (no lawns to invade

I guess ;-)).  So, she offered me some seed that she had.  While I was

there she showed me her "dandelions".  I am positive what she showed me is

not  _Taraxacum officinale_.  Mostly because the leaves are cauline as well

as basal & the flowerheads are not all solitary. In my (limited) key that

throws it out of the Taraxacum genus completely :-(    She gave me the seed

packet she had - it's simple labeled "Dandelion" from a nursery in Oregon.



Here's my question(s) ;-)  Is it possible that there's been a variety (or

new species) developed that is being used commercially that is that

different from the _T. officinale_ of my childhood ?  Is it possible for a

plant to have cauline (as opposed to all basal) leaves & still be a

dandelion?  How do I tell my friend/mentor that what she's been consuming

isn't what she thinks it is? :-(



Thanks,

Cissie

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Dandelions

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:10:32 GMT

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On Tue, 21 Apr 1998 21:33:22 -0700, "Cissie Buckert" <buckert@vegas.net> wrote

to <herbinfo@Majordomo.net>:



>My neighbor was telling me how much she uses dandelions.  We live in the

>Mojave Desert & there is not a lot of dandelions around (no lawns to invade

>I guess ;-)).  So, she offered me some seed that she had.  While I was

>there she showed me her "dandelions".  I am positive what she showed me is

>not  _Taraxacum officinale_.  Mostly because the leaves are cauline as well

>as basal & the flowerheads are not all solitary. In my (limited) key that

>throws it out of the Taraxacum genus completely :-(



Correct. Dandelions have basal  leaves only, and single flowers at the top of

the hollow stems. Anything else is just a DYC - damn yellow Cruciferae (unless

you can ID it, of course).



Your friend should complain to the seed source in Oregon.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Dandelions

From: "Cissie Buckert" <buckert@vegas.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:06:30 -0700

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>Your friend should complain to the seed source in Oregon.



Thanks Henriette.  I guess I kind of knew it was a DYC - I was just hoping

there was another "Dandelion" out there that wasn't _Taraxacum_.    I've

planted some of the seeds she gave me  - I'll see if I get the same plant 

- if so then there will some major complaining going on ;-/



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Betony Question

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 08:24:57 -0500

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I know if two plants referred to as Wood Betony, the one that is common here

(Middle Tennessee)

is pedicularis canadensis. (other sub-species are NOT common and should not

be picked, check local endangered lists in your area)

Can it be used the same as Stachys? I would appreciate any info you all have

on the pedicularis and uses. Thank You,

Karen Shelton

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Betony Question

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:46:48 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@Majordomo.net

>I know if two plants referred to as Wood Betony, the one that is common

here

(Middle Tennessee)

is pedicularis canadensis. (other sub-species are NOT common and should not

be picked, check local endangered lists in your area)

Can it be used the same as Stachys? I would appreciate any info you all

have

on the pedicularis and uses. Thank You,

Karen Shelton<



Karen, Hello, the Pedicularis spp.  is called Betony ( also called

Elephant's Head, Indian Warrior ).  The Stachys officinalis or Betonica

officinalis or Stachys betonica is what is called Wood Betony.  Wood Betony

is a nervine - See The new Age Herbalist by Richard Mabey or The Compolete

Medicinal Herbal by Penelope Ody or The New Jolistic Herbal by David

Hoffman, just to mention a few references.  In Michael Moore's Medicinal

Plants of the Mountains West he talks about Betony on p.63-68.  Betony is a

parasite so it is difficult to tell what it contains;  need to know what

kind of plant it is tapping into to make sure it is not toxic.

Hope this helps with the confusion between the two.

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Colds, Sore Throats & Flu

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 09:55:40 -0500

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Here is a post I sent to the Natural list to help someone with cold & sore

throat.  Thought you other herbalists on here could maybe add to it and we

all could learn together.  (Just don't pick on it too hard! :->)



Here it is:



Just wanted to add my .02 worth on this.  When my family comes down with a

sore throat or flu or fever we have this way of dealing with it.  It is

hard to take a day when you feel this way to do this, but it is better than

being out sick for 2 or 3 or 5 days!  :-)



The first way is to immediately drink a cup of what I call my Immune

Boosting Tea (contains echinacea, red clover, nettles, & peppermint) then 2

more times that day for 5 days, and 1,000 mg of Vitamin C plus Rosehips. 

That person then takes an infusion of Sage, Hyssop, & Horehound combined

and made strong and gargles with it throughout the day.  To help soothe the

throat throughout the day inbetween gargles, herbal cough drops made from

horehound, hyssop, and a flavored mint are given.  The sore throat is

usually gone by late night or the next morning.  Most often times a cold is

often present at the end of the sore throat.  This is just part of the cold

or flu ailment cycle.   



If the person is running fever then they are immediately told to fill the

tub with hot water (as warm as they can take it).  Hot peppermint tea is

made and added to the tub water.  A cup of hot peppermint tea is given to

the person to drink while soaking in the tub.  Let me tell ya, they WILL

sweat!  Then, after 10 minutes the person gets out of the tub and dresses

wet.  (Some of you will say yuck but it works!) They are then put to bed

between warm blankets until dry.  If there is still fever after they are

dry, the process is repeated.  3 cups of immune tea is given daily for 5

days, plus 1,000 mg of Vit. C with rosehips is given daily.



This sounds like a lot of trouble, but once it is done you will find it is

not. 

*NOTE:  If the person if feeling really really bad or is real young or

elderly then the bath water should not be drawn at a very hot temperature. 

Just get it warm enough that it feels warm to them.



Finally, the last thing our sick family member is told is to be sure and

dry brush their skin at least once daily!  This helps keep pores open so

the toxins can sweat out.



Hope this helps somebody!

Marcia the herblady





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Colds, Sore Throats & Flu

From: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:10:58 -0700

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Marcia Wilson wrote:

> 

> Here is a post I sent to the Natural list to help someone with cold & sore

> throat.  Thought you other herbalists on here could maybe add to it and we

> all could learn together.  (Just don't pick on it too hard! :->)



Dear Marcia:



Just one added note:  I use hot salt water gargle for sore throat.  I

have found that this is usually needed only once or twice.  For some

reason, the salt just takes the pain away.



Peace,

Jodi

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Cold and Flu Kicker

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 10:56:08 -0500

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24 hour cold/ flu kicker (even worked on my 3 pack of cigarettes a day 

relative who has the worlds worst health habits).  The sooner you begin at 

first sign of cold/flu the better.  Once a virus has penetrated a cell it 

will usually have its way.



This is not a prescription.  This is what has woked for me and mine.



Vit A&D - ( 10000 - 25000 A /400 D) 1 in AM / 1 in PM Decreases cell membrane 

permeability to virus 



Vit C - 1 gram / hour

Echinacea - 1 every 1-2 hrs

Astragalus - 1 every 3 - 4 hours

Golden Seal - 1 capsule 2 -3 times / day



A homeopathic remedy by Boericke and Tafel - Alpha C-F : 1 every hour



On 22 Apr 98 at 4:29 

dream@ilink.nis.za wrote: 





> Hi there from a fluish witch -any remedies to cure me in a day please ?

> annelize

Jerry McClurg <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

'Now what I contend is that my body is my own, 

at least I have always so regarded it. 

If I do harm through my experimenting with it, 

it is I who suffers, not the state.' - Mark Twain



Disclaimer: The information contained in this 

document is for educational purposes only.  

It is not intended to diagnose or prescribe 

treatment for any medical condition. 

All info given is only my opinion, and should 

never be taken to replace competent, professional 

medical advice.  

(BTW: Good luck on trying to find a competent Dr.)





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Subject: [HERBINFO] The dark side of growing mint

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:17:25 -0500

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I liked peppermint for the first two years, but  should have moved it an

acre away from everything else or put in pots. They are taking over and

going to have to move everything else in that part of the yard. Tried

digging it up, it even came back where a bulldozer dug a water line. So I

pull it up by the roots and hang it to dry! Use in cabinets to keep away

mice and bugs. I don't use it internally because I don't feel good karma

with it anymore.

There is no better karma I know of than sharing nature with your children.

Happy Gardening!

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] The dark side of growing mint

From: Susipnr <Susipnr@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:23:50 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-22 12:18:26 EDT, you write:



<<  Use in cabinets to keep away mice and bugs.  >>



That's good to know. I have a problem with moths in my pantry. Does anyone

have any suggestions as to any other herbs that will chase them away?  Thanks,

Susan

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Subject: [HERBINFO] The dark side of growing mint

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:11:46 -0500

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Peppermint, I just lay it around in the back of cabinets, works better for

mice than bugs.  A neat freak might want to make mint sachets, perhaps.

Another idea would be to put drops of oil on cotton balls and  use it that

way.

 Wild mountain mint is a good one to use also.

Karen Shelton

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] The dark side of growing mint

From: Carol n NY <CarolnNY@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 17:02:37 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-22 13:12:50 EDT, you write:



<< Peppermint, I just lay it around in the back of cabinets, works better for

 mice than bugs >>



 Awhile back on a list smeone had said this also works for squirrels (cause

they are part of the rodent family)..  Well i got to thinking what if some

leaves were hung on bird feeders or Peppermint EO was applied on it.  Think it

would keep the relentless squirrels from eating all the bird feed?



Carol

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] The dark side of growing mint

From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P Jasiewicz)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 14:11:39 -0700

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Dad had it in a corner of the house from which place it continually crept

out into the vegetable garden and the lawn. I remember Dad just routinely

cutting it down with the lawn mower to help keep it in check. But, I knew

that when I planted it so I can't complain. Besides I enjoy having it. It

brings back good childhood memories. Thanks for the reply. Now I know I

can just hang the whole stalk to dry. 

					Andy Jasiewicz

On Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:17:25 -0500 nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

writes:

>I liked peppermint for the first two years, but  should have moved it 

>an

>acre away from everything else or put in pots. They are taking over 

>and

>going to have to move everything else in that part of the yard. 



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] The dark side of growing mint

From: "Kimberly Thurman" <moonbear@bellsouth.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:35:46 -0700

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I know pennyroyal works well agains fleas etc.. how about other bugs?  I

wonder if it would be worth a try putting it in my cabnets!





>Peppermint, I just lay it around in the back of cabinets, works better for

>mice than bugs.  A neat freak might want to make mint sachets, perhaps.

>Another idea would be to put drops of oil on cotton balls and  use it that

>way.

> Wild mountain mint is a good one to use also.

>Karen Shelton

>Alternative Nature Herbal

>www.altnature.com

>





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] The dark side of growing mint

From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:57:14 -0500

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I like peppermint too.  I have it planted by my back porch so I can

smell the wonderful aroma of mint.  I learned to plant this invasive

plant in a coffe can buried in the ground.  This keeps the plant from

taking over and I still have enough to pick for my tea.



Deborah



Karen Shelton wrote:

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> I liked peppermint for the first two years, but  should have moved it an

>

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] The dark side of growing mint

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:46:36 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@Majordomo.net

>That's good to know. I have a problem with moths in my pantry. Does anyone

have any suggestions as to any other herbs that will chase them away? 

Thanks,

Susan<



Bay leaves work for that!

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] The dark side of growing mint

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:51:13 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@Majordomo.net

>I learned to plant this invasive

plant in a coffe can buried in the ground.  This keeps the plant from

taking over and I still have enough to pick for my tea.

<



It roots where it lays which makes it able to spread out of a pot submerged

in the ground so I now keep new mints in pots above ground.  Unfortunately

I have spearmint spread throughout my backyard because its runners rooted

and it goes to seed too.

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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Subject: [HERBINFO] schizandra

From: Jim Leonard <jleonard@starnetinc.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 12:46:32 -0500

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Hey, Y'all! It's finally sunny here, and the greenhouse is booming. Does 

anyone know what schizandra berries are, where they come from, etc? A 

friend of mine showed me the ingredients on a snack bar, and this berry 

was included. She is on medication for heart on hiatal hernia problems, 

and doesn't want to ingest anything that could give her problems.



TIA, Martha in SUNNY northern Illinois :-)))))

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Drying herbs

From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P Jasiewicz)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 11:40:52 -0700

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OK, my mint has spread some more now, (hehehe, I love this stuff, even I

can grow it without a problem!) and it's growing nicely. As a child we

used it fresh throughout the summer but never dried or saved any for use

over winter. Can I dry it like other herbs and use it throughout the

year? If so, when is the best time? Should I cut and gather whole stalks

to hang in the garage? Or pick leaves and spread them on a screen to dry

like veggies? As I recall doesn't mint do well in shade?? If so, I may

transplant the mint to a shaded spot I have that doesn't grow much else

and use this spot for something more appropriate.

I called my 8 year old daughter over and showed her the patch and asked

if she knew what it was. She didn't, so I told her to pick a leaf, crush

it and smell. Then I told her it was mint and that she could put it in

her iced tea. She did. You know, kids are great, they make you feel like

you're some kind of genius. You would have thought I taught her how to

make gold out of rocks!

This herb garden is going to be a great project for her and I !!!

   					Andy Jasiewicz

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Drying herbs

From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:25:36 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-22 11:44:05 EDT, apj6@juno.com writes:



<< Can I dry it like other herbs and use it throughout the

 year? If so, when is the best time? Should I cut and gather whole stalks

 to hang in the garage? Or pick leaves and spread them on a screen to dry

 like veggies? As I recall doesn't mint do well in shade?? If so, I may

 transplant the mint to a shaded spot I have that doesn't grow much else

 and use this spot for something more appropriate. >>



Andi,



I harvest my mint about once a month, throughout the growing season.(sometimes

longer if I'm real busy)You can cut it back until there is about 2 inches of

plant left. I grow mine in buried plastic pots in my garden, it receives some

shade from the tomato and other taller plants.



Take care,

denise

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Drying herbs

From: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 22:18:40 -0700

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Andrew P Jasiewicz wrote:

> 

> OK, my mint has spread some more now, (hehehe, I love this stuff, even I

> can grow it without a problem!) and it's growing nicely. As a child we

> used it fresh throughout the summer but never dried or saved any for use

> over winter. Can I dry it like other herbs and use it throughout the

> year? If so, when is the best time? Should I cut and gather whole stalks

> to hang in the garage? Or pick leaves and spread them on a screen to dry

> like veggies? As I recall doesn't mint do well in shade?? If so, I may



Dear Andy:



I dry my mint in a paper grocery bag, just pull or cut, and plop in the

bag shaking every day or so.  You can harvest it anytime you want

because it just keeps spreading and spreading....  After it is fully

dried you can easily strip the leaves off the stems and crush or leave

whole.



Peace,

Jodi

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Drying herbs

From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 17:18:58 -0500

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I plant my mint in coffee cans and yes it keeps the mint growing in a

nice little contained area.



Deborah



> Does growing your mint in the plastic pots keep it from migrating all

> over the place?

> 

> Blessings,

> Uni

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From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:09:14 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-23 04:34:09 EDT, unicovert1@hotmail.com writes:



<< Does growing your mint in the plastic pots keep it from migrating all 

 over the place? >>



Uni,



Yes, it sure does. The only thing I do is cut off any lower shoots trying to

root outside of the pots. I just read yesterday to cut out the bottom of the

pots before planting. I didn't and mine are doing great!



Try it it really works!



Take care,



denise

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From: Jacoly <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:22:46 -0400

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Witches Brew

1 TBSP Vinegar

1 TBSP Honey

1/4 tsp cayenne pepper

1/4 tsp of ginger

2 TBSP water



Mix all of the above, and heat in micro just enough to make it 'not to hot'

to drink.

Or mix all but water and add approx 2 TBSP of water from your heated tea

kettle.



This is good for colds, flu's, sinuses, etc.



Lesa



At 04:29 AM 4/22/98 -0700, you wrote:

>Hi there from a fluish witch -any remedies to cure me in a day please ?

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Subject: [HERBINFO] yard weeds and herbs 

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:57:11 -0500

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What are some others.

Yard weeds and herbs

ground ivy, chickweed, curly dock leaves, speedwell, violets, cleavers,

dandelions, plantain and of course, poke greens. yes Redbud flowers are

edible. I have even heard of eating day lilies, but have seen elsewhere that

they may be toxic.

Your local library probably has books on edible plants, flowers, weeds and

stuff. Good place to start!   Another one would be Peterson's Guide to

Edible Plants.

Happy Hunting,

Karen Shelton

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] yard weeds and herbs

From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:24:16 -0500

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Day lilies are eatable.  The flowers are tasty in a salad and the

roots/tubers supposedly taste like potatoes and are a great resource for

starch.  They can be boiled and peeled or baked, just like a potatoe. 

The oriental lilies are the poisonous variety.  They grow from bulbs not

tubers.



Deborah



 I have even heard of eating day lilies, but have seen elsewhere that

> they may be toxic.

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] yard weeds and herbs

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:42:12 -0400

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> The oriental lilies are the poisonous variety.  They grow from bulbs not

> tubers.



Also avoid Iris's.  There is a blue flag and yellow flag Iris that looks

like lillies in the leaf, they are deadly.



hawkscry

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] yard weeds and herbs

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:41:44 -0500

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Day lilies are edible.  The flowers are tasty in a salad and the

roots/tubers supposedly taste like potatoes and are a great resource for

starch.



Deborah



I also heard that the flowers make good fritters; as do elder flowers.

Thanks for clearing up my lily dilemma, to eat or not to eat? Since it is

almost bloom time, maybe I will try them.

Karen Shelton

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:43:59 -0400

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> Thanks for clearing up my lily dilemma, to eat or not to eat? Since it is

> almost bloom time, maybe I will try them.



You can sautee the unopened blooms as well!!!  stir fry!

Squash blossoms (male) are also edible and are great battered and fried.

I'm glad I ate breakfast. Ya'll could make one hungry!



hawkscry



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From: CLHW@InfoAve.Net (CLHW@InFoAve.Net)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 01:46:39 -0400 (EDT)

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 kudzu, wild cherry, wild plum, lambs quarter, muscadine and scuppernong grapes,

clover



 >What are some others.

>Yard weeds and herbs

>ground ivy, chickweed, curly dock leaves, speedwell, violets, cleavers,

>dandelions, plantain and of course, poke greens. yes Redbud flowers are

>edible. I have even heard of eating day lilies, but have seen elsewhere that

>they may be toxic.

>Your local library probably has books on edible plants, flowers, weeds and

>stuff. Good place to start!   Another one would be Peterson's Guide to

>Edible Plants.

>Happy Hunting,

>Karen Shelton





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From: Gmkkh <Gmkkh@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:04:11 EDT

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<< Day lilies are eatable >>



Are tiger lilies?  I swear we used to eat them as kids, but now that I have

them growing in my garden, I can't find anything that confirms they are

edible.



Ruadha/n

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From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:43:53 -0500

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Tiger Lilies are day lilies.  They are also called railroad lilies. 

They are the wild species and are probably tastier than the domesticated

one.  These are the flowers I have eaten.  They grow wild in my yard and

I keep thinning them out and planting them everywhere.



Deborah



Gmkkh wrote:

> 

> << Day lilies are eatable >>

> 

> Are tiger lilies?

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From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 17:55:14 -0400

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With several posts recently on cleavers......... I am interested in trying

to identify it.  I cannot find it in any of my books , and wonder if

someone might know another name for it, or the Latin name?

I am looking for a picture and/or detailed description.

Thanks

Donna

in the mountains of western North Carolina



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Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:31:57 -0400

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>> cleavers......... I am interested in trying

 to identify it.<

>What we found in my yard (the tangerine southernwort trough) is

cleavers.  Square stem, rough phylem, whorled leaves (8? maybe)

insignificant whi<



It is the one that sticks to your shirt when you pick it and set it there. 

If it doesn't stick it isn't cleavers. 



Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 11:07:59 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-27 18:04:57 EDT, donnas@yancey.main.nc.us writes:



<< With several posts recently on cleavers......... I am interested in trying

 to identify it. >>



Donna,



Cleavers; Goosegrass (Galium aparine)

Bedstraw Family (Rubiaceae)



Goodluck,

denise

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Spring Projects

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 16:10:13 -0500

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Rescue useful plants from your own yard before mowing , move them where they

won't get cut down every week. If you don't know what something is and it

looks interesting, move it to a safe place for observation.



Try to learn identity of at least three new plants each week. Take notes

about leaf type, how many petals, or take some of the common ones home and

run them on a flat bed scanner, take photos, or press for later ID; send

them to me by email if you need help. Get a good wildflower ID book like

Newcomb's.



Go for walks and really look at what you are seeing. touch plants to

determine texture, also smell them.

If you want to be a help, carry a trash bag and pick up litter while you are

at it, show the plants you appreciate them and respect their environment.



When you are buying new plants at a nursery, take the time to look at all

the herbal plants so you get familiar with them. Then look for wild

relatives on land around you. An example of this would be speedwell, sold at

greenhouses under the name veronica.



Never ingest anything you aren't absolutely positive what it is! Take the

time to learn first so you don't end up killing yourself.



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From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:45:15 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-22 17:12:17 EDT, you write:



<< . An example of this would be speedwell, sold at

 greenhouses under the name veronica.

  >>

Karen,

I just planted some Blue Veronica because I wanted the pretty blue flowers for

cut flowers.  Is Blue Veronica speedwell?



Sydney

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Subject: [HERBINFO] jewelweed

From: Doris Tuck <dlt@interlink.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 15:50:26 -0700

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>plantain, jewelweed, dock, plus native trees like service berry,

>chokecherry, dogwood, sweetgum, and then I am also including native

>flowers (& the kind of perenial that we put into many gardens) like the

>Echinacea, Rudbeckia, violets, etc... I hope to have it written out by

>Friday and I will share.  



There's that jewelweed again.  Some time ago I tried to find some 

reference to this plant that I could come to grips with.  It must not 

grow in San Francisco Bay Area.  I've never seen anything like it 

or ever heard of it before.  We do have impatiens plants but not 

the same.



Wish I knew where I could get some.  Few, if any, of my many herb 

books reference this plant.  I really had a tough time when I found out 

it was good for poison oak and tried to find out what/where it was and 

maybe get some.



Doris





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From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:39:32 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-22 18:46:53 EDT, you write:



<< 

 Wish I knew where I could get some.  Few, if any, of my many herb 

 books reference this plant.  I really had a tough time when I found out 

 it was good for poison oak and tried to find out what/where it was and 

 maybe get some.

 

 Doris >>



This plant grows wild in my yard, I think I just dug out the last of it

putting in a new herb bed.  I hope some of it survived and will come up this

season.  I would be glad to send you some.  I will post to the list when I see

that there is some left.  



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] jewelweed

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:22:18 -0400

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> Wish I knew where I could get some.  Few, if any, of my many herb 

> books reference this plant.  I really had a tough time when I found out 

> it was good for poison oak and tried to find out what/where it was and 

> maybe get some.

> 



The best picture and reference I have found is _Edible_Wild_Plants_A NA

Field Guide_  It's an Outdoor Life book ISBN 0-8069-7488-5

It will be on my own shelf (instead of the library's) as soon as I can

afford it!  :-)  Don't feel bad, I don't have any in my yard either, but

I would LOVE to find it.  I have the plain 'touch-me-nots' the ones

where the seed pods pop upon touch, so I use that, makes no never mind

to my poison ivy, it goes away in 7 days anyway.



hawkscry

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] jewelweed

From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@Dekalb.Net>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:51:13 -0400 (EDT)

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Hawk'Scry,

 you wrote:



>The best picture and reference I have found is _Edible_Wild_Plants_A NA

>Field Guide_  It's an Outdoor Life book ISBN 0-8069-7488-5

>It will be on my own shelf (instead of the library's) as soon as I can

>afford it!  :-)  Don't feel bad, I don't have any in my yard either, but

>I would LOVE to find it. 



Peterson's Eastern/Central Medicinal Plants ISBN0-395-46722-5 has a good

picture of Jewelweed.  Living in Tennessee I thought I'd find it all

over....gads

we ahve enough poison ivy and poison oak!  But I have yet to find my first

Jewellweed plant on my property.....and I am still looking!



Sandi

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:03:19 -0400

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> Peterson's Eastern/Central Medicinal Plants ISBN0-395-46722-5 has a good

> picture of Jewelweed.



I've own this, actually, the other book's picture is much more detailed

and has both yellow and orange flower.  While checking my reference

(Petersen's) It says it blooms June thru August.  Doesn't do me a whole

lot of good as I've already had my 'serious' case of poison ivy this

year (March!)  But, I get it from the PI leaves in Pine needles as I

spread the.... long sleeves would work, but when yer busting butt in

landscaping, long sleeves don't get it.  :-)



I've used the 'touch-me-nots' from my yard as well as plantain.  It

seems to work well enough, scratching the juice of the leaves with the

poison doesn't spread it and reduces the itching considerably, but still

takes around 7 days to rid it.  Luckily I'm not one of those with

'serious' allergy to the stuff.  One of my co-workers needs steroids as

she blisters unbelievably.



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] jewelweed

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:04:34 -0500

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Look for jewel weed on the edge of wooded areas, often near water. Plant

gets up to around 3 feet tall, sometimes a little more. More visible in June

than now. Maybe I should be in the Jewel weed soap business? Don't worry, I

will post some better pictures when it is more visible so you all can find

it!

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] jewelweed

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:21:42 -0400

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Doris....... When I lived in California I never saw jewelweed.  But it is

all over the place here in the mountains of western North Carolina.   It

seems to like ditches and damp shady places with a scattered sunlight.  I

wish I could send you some.   But it would not do any good unless you have

the right place for it to grow....... ample moisture. I think it might do

okay around a  garden water feature.

Donna





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Subject: [HERBINFO] Antihistamine

From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:47:47 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-22 15:41:55 EDT, you write:





 Hi List,

 My little two year old grandson has allergies (probably to several things,

 including my cats) and I feel so badly for him.  His nose is stuffed and he

 coughs and sneezes a lot.  His doctor has only said to give him decongestant

 cough syrup.  Are there any herbal remedies that might help him?

 

 Sydney

 SSchuy2011@aol.com

 



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From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:19:20 EDT

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Freeze dried stinging nettle from the eclectic institute.That has worked for

my husband and kids.But how to get a 2yr old to ingest it?HMMMMMMMM

You can order it from Stony Mt. botanicals if you can't find it at your local

health food store.Nettle tincture may work also mixed with juice.My husband

used a strong tea once when he was out of the capsules.Said it worked but was

milder.



             Good luck, Marianne

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Subject: [HERBINFO] speedwell and jewel weed

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 20:22:35 -0500

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Is Blue Veronica speedwell?

 It is the same species, different sub species. I do not know if that makes

a difference medicinally or not. The one listed in The Herb Book by John

Lust is veronica officinalis. A tiny plant, this one not good for cut

flowers. Used as Diuretic, expectorant and for skin problems.



As for jewel weed, see it once and you won't ever have a problem seeing it

again. It is an annual, so will only come back if it reseeds. My

observations in the wild is that jewel weed needs moisture and shade to

thrive. Hard to get seeds, when you touch the seed capsules they explose and

project the seeds into the air. So if you want seeds, approach the plants

with a small bag in hand  and sneak it over the seed heads, so the seeds

will pop into the bag. Another unusual thing is that the seeds look more

like sprouts, they are not in a hard shell, so most likely should be planted

right away or stored in planting medium in the freezer



Someone has a web site with a wild herb photo gallery, and there is a

picture of the yellow jewel weed. Orange flowered jewel weed is more common.

I am in Tennessee and it is quite common here. Poison ivy is no bother when

jewel weed is around. I will be concocting some sort of jewel weed soap this

summer, any suggestions on that would be appreciated.

Karen Shelton

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Subject: [HERBINFO] French Dandelions?

From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 21:08:11 -0500

--------

Are they the dandelions with the very long leaves that I see in my

produce market in town?  The ones they sell have veryyyyyyy long

leaves.  They look like giant dandelions.  I see no flowers.  Of course

the plants with flowers are a little more bitter.  Where do you get

seeds for french dandelions?

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From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:41:14 EDT

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<< 

 Are they the dandelions with the very long leaves that I see in my

 produce market in town?  The ones they sell have veryyyyyyy long

 leaves.  They look like giant dandelions.  I see no flowers.  Of course

 the plants with flowers are a little more bitter.  Where do you get

 seeds for french dandelions?

 _________________________ >>



Yes, I think they are the ones.  I bought my seeds from Richters in Canada.

 They are a wonderful salad green and very much in vouge at present.

Sydney

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] French Dandelions?

From: "Cissie Buckert" <buckert@vegas.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:55:50 -0700

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>  They are a wonderful salad green and very much in vouge at present.



Sydney,



Do you have the latin name of the Frech Dandelions?  Maybe *that's* what my

neighbor is growing :-)



Thanks,

Cissie

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] French Dandelions?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:02:18 GMT

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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 16:55:50 -0700, "Cissie Buckert" <buckert@vegas.net> wrote

to <herbinfo@Majordomo.net>:



>>  They are a wonderful salad green and very much in vouge at present.



>Do you have the latin name of the Frech Dandelions?  Maybe *that's* what my

>neighbor is growing :-)



French dandelions are Taraxacum officinale, some variety or other bred for

larger leaves (not necessarily less bitter!). And no, your neighbor is growing a

DYC, -not- a dandelion. Dandelions have one flower per hollow stem, no leaves on

the stems, basal leaf rosettes, and a taproot.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] French Dandelions?

From: "Uni Covert" <unicovert1@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:36:55 PDT

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. And no, your neighbor is growing a

>DYC, -not- a dandelion. Dandelions have one flower per hollow stem, no 

leaves on

>the stems, basal leaf rosettes, and a taproot.

>

>Henriette





Henriette,



What is a DYC?  Just curious to know.



Uni



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] French Dandelions?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 04:08:57 GMT

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On Thu, 23 Apr 1998 23:36:55 PDT, "Uni Covert" <unicovert1@hotmail.com> wrote to

herbinfo@Majordomo.net:



>. And no, your neighbor is growing a

>>DYC, -not- a dandelion. Dandelions have one flower per hollow stem, no 

>leaves on

>>the stems, basal leaf rosettes, and a taproot.



>What is a DYC?  Just curious to know.



Depending on the plant, either a da*n yellow cruciferae (mustard family plant)

or a dam* yellow compositae (composite). In this case, a composite. 

They are called that, even by botanists, because they are so difficult to

identify - there are zillions and zillions of them.



Henriette



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From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:12:21 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-23 20:03:11 EDT, you write:



<< 

 Do you have the latin name of the Frech Dandelions?  Maybe *that's* what my

 neighbor is growing :-)

 

 Thanks,

 Cissie

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Hi again,

the Latin name is "Taraxacum officinale sativum"



Sydney

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Subject: [HERBINFO] toiletries list

From: Pat & Theresa Madden <maddens@cdsnet.net>

Date: Wed, 22 Apr 1998 19:42:19 -0700

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Hi all,  I have the toiletries addy for you here........

the library url is      

http://www.mindspring.com/~earthscents/index.htm

The first page of the library has s*bscribe info on it.... they have

done a really nice job on the libary.



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Women and facial hair

From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 07:09:07 EDT

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Hi all,

  A nurse I work with is 50,still mensing fairly regularly and is concerned

with some "manly" hairs by her chin and upper lip.Any ideas out there besides

plucking?Would wild yam cream work and if so what do you all feel is the best

brand out there? There are so many! TIA, Marianne

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Women and facial hair

From: Gmkkh <Gmkkh@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:15:57 EDT

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<<  concerned  with some "manly" hairs by her chin and upper lip.Any ideas out

there besides plucking? >>





I don't know of any specific herbal remedy unfortunately, but something that

balances women's hormones would be a start I would think (See Susan Weed's

books maybe).  She defintely should not pluck as it affects the roots and

makes the hairs all weird and harder to deal with if she does try other

remedies.  She  might try electrolosis for removal (see your phone book).



Ruadha/n

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Women and facial hair

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:58:00 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@Majordomo.net

>I don't know of any specific herbal remedy unfortunately, but something

that

balances women's hormones would be a start I would think (See Susan Weed's

books maybe).  She defintely should not pluck as it affects the roots and

makes the hairs all weird and harder to deal with if she does try other

remedies.  She  might try electrolosis for removal (see your phone book).

<



I agree with balancing your hormones through herbs; specifically vitex,

etc. etc.  You need the vitamins and minerals too. But I have two male

hairs, ( that's what I call them ) they come up on each side of my chin and

I pull them with a pair of tweezers every couple of months when they

appear.  It is better than having a stiff dark hair that bugs the heck out

of me!!!!!  It works for me anyway!!!!  I could not stand to leave them

there!

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

in sunny Northern California

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Daylily cookbook & others

From: Sharon Gordon <gordonse@one.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 09:28:19 -0400 (EDT)

--------

There's a daylily cookbook by Peter Gail called Delightful Delicious

Daylilies.



He has also written a violet cookbook and a dandelion cookbook and is

working on another dandelion cookbook.  I haven't seen the violet

and dandelion ones yet, but enjoyed the daylily one.  



Peter Gail is also doing a newsletter on dandelions and will send

a sample copy if you email him at petergail@aol.com and ask for

one.  The newsletter is for both food and medicinal uses.  There's a big

dandelion festival in Ohio in May along with

a cookoff contest.  There are also a number of other dandelion

festivals around the country.  There's a list in the newsletter.



Another book, I've seen on edible flowers is by Cathy Barash.  It covers a

wide variety of flowers.



Sharon

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From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:52:05 -0400

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>There's a daylily cookbook by Peter Gail called Delightful Delicious

Daylilies.



He has also written a violet cookbook and a dandelion cookbook and is

working on another dandelion cookbook.  I haven't seen the violet

and dandelion ones yet, but enjoyed the daylily one.<



I have the Violet Cookbook and it is good.  It is small and is violet in

color-hey!  that makes sense!!!!!

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: Jewelweed

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 10:05:02 -0400

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I have lots of jewelweed coming up down by our lake.  Was there

someone who wanted some?  Of course, poison ivy is not far

from it.  I missed the original message.

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Allergies

From: Doris Tuck <dlt@interlink.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 08:09:09 -0700

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> My little two year old grandson has allergies (probably to several things,

> including my cats) and I feel so badly for him.  His nose is stuffed and he

> coughs and sneezes a lot.  His doctor has only said to give him decongestant

> cough syrup.  Are there any herbal remedies that might help him?



When I stopped drinking milk/eating dairy, most of my allergies dropped 

off the edge of the world.  Occasionally I sneeze now; rarely sneeze 

several times.  When I get that slightly burning/running sensation in 

the nose, a few alfalfa pills stops it.



But the dairy was the most impressive change in my life.



Just a thought.



Doris





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From: "Uni Covert" <unicovert1@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:28:00 PDT

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, a few alfalfa pills stops it.

>Doris

>



How difficult is it to grow your own alfalfa for this reason?  I'm in 

California.



TIA,



Uni





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From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:17:47 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-23 20:55:25 EDT, you write:



<< 

 When I stopped drinking milk/eating dairy, most of my allergies dropped 

 off the edge of the world.  Occasionally I sneeze now; rarely sneeze 

 several times.  When I get that slightly burning/running sensation in 

 the nose, a few alfalfa pills stops it.

 

 But the dairy was the most impressive change in my life.

 

 Just a thought.

 

 Doris >>



Thanks Doris,

A very interesting thought.  Unfortunately, my grandson still takes a bottle

and does not eat very well so he is not ready to give it up yet.  I hope, when

he does stop drinking so much milk, that it will help.



Thanks,

Sydney

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Allergies

From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:16:23 EDT

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<<  How is yogurt different? It is after all a dairy product.

 

 Dr. Bill

 ____ >>



Yogurt is different in many ways. I have read from many people who won't touch

dairy who eat yogurt. I would have to look up all the differences though, but

it is the opposite of milk. It is helpful and even strengthens the digestive

system.



Ppari

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Allergies

From: Howie Thomason <hmt@ican.net>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:27:17 -0400

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 Bill Davis alphaman@multiverse.com wrote:



>

>How is yogurt different? It is after all a dairy product.

>

>Dr. Bill





The lactose has been broken down by the fermentation.  Also yogurt is a 

predigested food, thanks to the bacteria used for fermenting. 

Lactobacillus bulgaris and acidophilus.  Yogurt is digested and utilized 

twice as fast as milk.  Less time for putrefaction.  The acidophilus 

bacteria help with the manufacture of B vitamins and K.  



Yogurt is a natural anti-biotic. An 8 ounce jar of yougurt prvides an 

antibiotic value equal to 14 units of penicillin.  It kills virulent 

bacteria such as amoeba, typhus,  S. dysenteriae,  E. coli,  

streptococcus,  staphylococcus .  

At the same time it feeds the benificial bacteria in the gut.  



And by the Dr. Bill, my dog did have a reaction to his rabies shot.  

;~)). 







Howie and Timber, Mount Albert, Ontario.

{Shepherd / Husky cross}

hmt@ican.net





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Allergies

From: Bill Davis <alphaman@multiverse.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 06:31:05 -0700

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Parijata2 wrote:

> 

> I don't know about giving up dairy helping allergy problems. Maybe it helps

> some, but I only eat yogurt, and that is different. I have terrible allergies.

> I think it has more to do with strengthening the immune system, something I

> admittedly must work on.

> 

> Pari



How is yogurt different? It is after all a dairy product.



Dr. Bill

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Subject: RE: [HERBINFO] Allergies

From: "Andersen, Robyn" <rander@fhcrc.org>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:46:34 -0700

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Sydney,



	You might try giving him a bottle of soy milk and see if he

likes it.  He's too young to know he's not supposed to many kids do like

it.  It could be alternated with bottles of regular milk or used instead

to reduce the amount of milk he drinks while still giving him a good

source of protein etc. ....



	- robyn 



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Subject: RE: [HERBINFO] Allergies

From: Jacoly <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 15:04:41 -0400

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Rice milk is delicious, you might try that too.



Lesa





>	You might try giving him a bottle of soy milk and see if he



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Allergies

From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 14:03:24 EDT

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While I agree that milk sometimes needs to be avoided due to allergic

reaction, I do not think it is the all in all. First, there are plenty of

other foods that can be the culprit. Secondly, sometimes a person may be

allergic to an entirely different food and not allergic to milk at all.

Thirdly, we don't want to treat the symptom and avoid the cause. The real

reason, or bottom underlying reason for most allergies has to do with a low

and broken down immune system. We need to build up that immune system.

Sometimes to detoxify, but then to rebuild. It will take time and the food one

is allergic to should be avoided during this time. However, once one is

healthy again and the immune system is strong, you will be surprised to find

out that you can once again eat the foodstuff you thought you were allergic

to. :-) 



Pari 

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Lurker asking about Liver support

From: Liila <liila@gate.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 11:08:15 -0500

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Hello!



I've been lurking for some time, and have been learning a lot about the

wonderful benefits of herbal support in this modern plasticized life... I

wanted to thank you all! I've been taking St. John's Wort for my

depression, and for the first time in years I'm feeling hopeful and

optimistic. Depression is something I've battled with for most of my life,

(I really believe it runs in families--my mother and sisters also deal with

it), and having tried the more conventional Prozac a few years ago, had

sworn to never take it again. Now, onto the reason for my posting.



I first found out about having the antibody for Hepatitis C when I

attempted to give blood about 10 years ago. At the time I didn't think much

about it, but as I get older I also become more worried. I went to the

doctor about 5 years ago, and he had me returning monthly for a while for

blood-tests to determine my enzyme levels. He told me I didn't have the

active Hepatitis C, merely the antibodies. Maybe I should find out what the

difference is ? He dismissed me by informing me I'm possibly headed for

liver failure/cancer. Nothing more was done at that time, but now I'm

really getting worried. 



I've done some research on the net about Milk Thistle, (having first heard

about it on this list some time ago!), and I'd like to incorporate it into

my life. I've all ready made some half-hearted attempts at a more pure

diet, i.e., don't touch alcohol, drink a lot of water, etc., but would also

welcome any advice as to what I can do. I'm confused about what form of

milk thistle to take, where I could obtain it, what other herbs might help.

I live in south Florida, so I don't know the possibility of growing it

here, and even if I can, I haven't seen seeds available. I'm willing to do

whatever it takes.



I've seen the capsules available online, and would humble like to ask those

more knowlegable on this list to please help me ascertain what would be the

best course of action to take in regard to helping/saving my liver. 



Thank you,



Liila Rusanen

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Lurker asking about Liver support

From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 20:56:30 -0500

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Hi,



I too have suffered from depression and have a mother who has also

suffered from depression.  Depression is caused by many things - stress

being one. Yes, it has been proven that it is hereditary.  My mother has

taken prozac and many other forms of medications for her depression.  I

refuse to fall into that trap.  Yes I do drink St. John's Wort tea

nightly and have learned to reconize when my depression starts to set

in.  I have taken steps to get out of my depressed moods by taking piano

lessons.  My garden is another theraputic tool.  I refuse to take

antidepressant.  Of course, if I find that I cannot deal with my

depression and get out of it I am the first person to call a

professional.  



I also have been diagnosed with hep c.  Depression is one of the

symptoms of this very strange and quiet disease.  There is little modern

medicine can do for us.  There is interferon therapy which is very

iffy.  Some folks opt not to try it.  I just had a biopsy and my doctor

suggests I try it.  I am going to give it a trial run.  Only 8% of the

folks who try it are responders.  Secretly I hope I am not a responder,

but if I am the interferon is suppose help rid your body of this

disease.  



Yes Milk Thistle is good.  Capsules of milk thistle seed can be

purchased at local health food stores.  Make sure they are not made with

any alcohol or dyes, and etc.  



There are some great web sites about Hep c for folks with all the same

questions that both of us have.  Got on this web site through them.  If

you would like there address just ask.



Deborah

Liila wrote:

>Depression and hep c. milk thistle.

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Lurker asking about Liver support

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 20:52:23 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@Majordomo.net

>I've done some research on the net about Milk Thistle, (having first heard

about it on this list some time ago!), and I'd like to incorporate it into

my life. I've all ready made some half-hearted attempts at a more pure

diet, i.e., don't touch alcohol, drink a lot of water, etc., but would also

welcome any advice as to what I can do. I'm confused about what form of

milk thistle to take, where I could obtain it, what other herbs might

help.<



Liila,  Infusions of Yellow Dock and Dandelion will strengthen the liver.

Make a strong infusion ( keeping covered ) and drink over a period of

several day.  Keep it refrigerated, covered and make a quart at a time. 

Milk thistle prevents damage to the liver.  I buy milk thistle organically

- the fresh seed.   Grind it up and sprinkle it over a salad or cereal or

something.  You can also put it in tomato juice or something like that or

just down it from a spoon.  Don't grind up more than a couple days worth at

a time and keep it refrigerated in a glass jar.  It goes rancid quickly and

rancid stuff is the worse stuff you can put in your body.   Check to see

that it is not rancid in the store before you even get it home.  Take 1-2

tsp. daily for three weeks and go off for a week.  The body needs a week or

5 days to rest when taking herbs over a period of time.  Also, don't take

in alcohol and caffeine (if you can).  Of course you could also cut back on

stress - ha!  At least try to center yourself and be mellow.  If you are

not worrying about what the doctor said then you should be in less stress. 

These are some things that I would do if I was worried about my liver.



Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

in sunny Northern California

suesherbals@compuserve.com

   This information is only my opinion, and was not intended 

to diagnose or prescribe treatment for any medical condition. 

Please use common sense when choosing what is appropriate for you.

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Moths (was: The dark side of growing mint)

From: Gmkkh <Gmkkh@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 13:03:53 EDT

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<<  moths in my pantry >>



Santolina has worked for me.  Make sure that you clean out your pantry to get

all the moth 'worms'.  Check grains and especially nuts, which they love.

Dispose of if infested.





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Subject: [HERBINFO] Posion Ivy

From: "Gerald W. McClurg" <mcclurggw@eft.thc-tsg.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 12:10:08 -0500

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Given the lack of jewel weed beig reported, While this isn't herbal, I share 

it anyway.  If you wash with Fels Naptha soap as soon as you can  (even at 

the end of a day of landscaping) it will either eliminate or greatly reduce  

outbreak.  If there is an eruption on skin, dampen fingers, make a paste of 

fels naptha and pat it on blisters instead of calamine.  



Fels Naptha is a strong soap that normally you would not put on your skin.  

However, the acid in Poison Ivy is so strong that it needs a strong alkali to 

break it down.  



I use this method and I have friends who are exceedingly sensitive who have 

been bare shirted rolling in Poison Ivy , they showered with Fels Naptha and 

no outbreak.  Normally they would have been incapacitated with severe 

blisters for a long time.



On 23 Apr 98 at 8:03 

Hawk`scry wrote: 





> > Peterson's Eastern/Central Medicinal Plants ISBN0-395-46722-5 has a good

> > picture of Jewelweed.

> 

> I've own this, actually, the other book's picture is much more detailed and

> has both yellow and orange flower.  While checking my reference (Petersen's)

> It says it blooms June thru August.  Doesn't do me a whole lot of good as

> I've already had my 'serious' case of poison ivy this year (March!)  But, I

> get it from the PI leaves in Pine needles as I spread the.... long sleeves

> would work, but when yer busting butt in landscaping, long sleeves don't get

> it.  :-)

> 

> I've used the 'touch-me-nots' from my yard as well as plantain.  It

> seems to work well enough, scratching the juice of the leaves with the

> poison doesn't spread it and reduces the itching considerably, but still

> takes around 7 days to rid it.  Luckily I'm not one of those with 'serious'

> allergy to the stuff.  One of my co-workers needs steroids as she blisters

> unbelievably.

> 

Gerald W McClurg

Director

Technical Services Group 

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Calendula Question?

From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:28:57 EDT

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Hi List Members,

Is it too early to put Calendula outside?  I have some that I raised from seed

and it is big enough, but is it too cold here in zone 5?  Also, once planted

does it reseed strongly enough that you don't have to plant it the next year?



Sydney

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Calendula Question?

From: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 06:40:42 -0700

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SSchuy2011 wrote:

> 

> Hi List Members,

> Is it too early to put Calendula outside?  I have some that I raised from seed

> and it is big enough, but is it too cold here in zone 5?  Also, once planted

> does it reseed strongly enough that you don't have to plant it the next year?

> 

> Sydney

> sschuy2011@aol.com



Dear Sydney:



I wouldn't plant them outside without hardening them off first.  I have

some borage and tarragon ready to go out, but I will take advantage of

the nice weather the rest of this weekend to harden them off first. 

Remember, a killing frost is still possible and the nights are still

only in the forties.  I live in Ohio zone 5 as well so I know how

anxious you are.



Peace,

Jodi

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Calendula Question?

From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:10:00 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-23 19:48:13 EDT, you write:



<< 

 I can't tell you if it's warm enough there yet (here in the desert it

 blooms almost all winter ;-)).  But I can tell you that it does a wonderful

 job of reseeding itself - I've got it coming up all over the place :-)

 

 Cissie >>



Hi Cissie,

I am so glad to hear that it reseeds well.  I was going to put it in pots, but

now that I know it will return the following season, I will put it in the

garden.



Thanks,

Sydney

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Calendula Question?

From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:21:23 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-23 21:43:00 EDT, you write:



<< 

 I'm a boarderline zone 6-7. I am still hardening mine up, will move them

 outside permanently within the next 1-2wks.(weather has been very

 unpredictable) Yes, they reseed themselves if left over winter. My lawn is

 full of them by mid to late spring. They dry great in bunches also! Real

 pretty.

 

 Goodluck,

 

 denise >>



Great news!  I will start putting my Calendula plants out during the day to

get them adjusted.  I only hope that we do not get a sudden dip in temperature

or--heaven forbid--a frost.



Sydney

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Calendula Question?

From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 16:25:52 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-24 06:43:44 EDT, you write:



<< 

 Dear Sydney:

 

 I wouldn't plant them outside without hardening them off first.  I have

 some borage and tarragon ready to go out, but I will take advantage of

 the nice weather the rest of this weekend to harden them off first. 

 Remember, a killing frost is still possible and the nights are still

 only in the forties.  I live in Ohio zone 5 as well so I know how

 anxious you are.

 

 Peace,

 Jodi

 _____________ >>





Hi Jodi,

I am in MA so it may not be zone 5.  I thought it was.  Does anyone know what

zone MA is in?



Thanks,

Sydney

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Calendula Question?

From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 18:37:20 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-25 16:43:06 EDT, SSchuy2011@aol.com writes:



<< Great news!  I will start putting my Calendula plants out during the day to

 get them adjusted.  I only hope that we do not get a sudden dip in

temperature

 or--heaven forbid--a frost. >>



Sydney,



I leave my plants in the seedling pots on a tray. I put them outside everyday

for about 2-4 weeks depending on when I started and the weather. I start in

the shade (if warm enough) on the side of the garage and gradually move them

into full sun. Starting with just a little time outside and increasing the

time spent out everyday. You need to adjust the above depending upon what you

are growing. If it is too early, or if you rush the process to quickly, the

plants will let you know! If this happens just back off, and slow the process

down. I don't leave mine out over night until the temps., warm up to the lower

50's (depending on the plant). If left on trays in the seedling pots you can

pull them in at night if it becomes to cold.



Goodluck,



denise

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: [HERBINFO} Violets

From: SSchuy2011 <SSchuy2011@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 19:34:05 EDT

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My violets are starting to bloom and this year I would like to put them to the

best use possible. Please give me some ideas of what to do with them, last

year they went by before I had a chance to do anything.  I have a lot of

violets, but I do not know the exact species--they have been here for years.



Sydney

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Re: Lurker asking about Liver support

From: Liila <liila@gate.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:00:40 -0500

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Hello Deborah,



Thank you for taking the time to respond! I'm sorry that you also suffer

from depression and hep c. For me there is a great deal of comfort in

realizing that one is never alone in one's life experience, even when

struggling with strange diseases. The mere act of reaching out to others

who share a common ailment can do so much toward increasing one's knowlege,

as well as increasing one's strength and hope. 



>I too have suffered from depression and have a mother who has also

>suffered from depression.<snip>I have taken steps to get out of my

depressed >moods by taking piano lessons.  My garden is another theraputic

tool.  I refuse to >take antidepressant.  Of course, if I find that I

cannot deal with my

>depression and get out of it I am the first person to call a

>professional.  



I find that eating as many fresh fruits and vegetables as I can and

ruthlessly ejecting as many processed foods and man-made chemicals from my

diet as possible has helped immensely. Exercise is also a great spirit

booster, but not one that I can enjoy with any great regularity I'm afraid.

Light walking is about the most I can do. I have a degenerating disc

problem in my back and also live in constant pain. My back always acts up

when survival issues are a concern, but the older I get (I'm 35) the less

it seems to want to be relieved.



The problem with the Prozac was the *fake* feeling I had while I was on it.

I really didn't feel like myself at all. It gave me wild mood swings

ranging from mild hysteria to sudden fits of anger. I've seen what it can

do to people. My own sister was on it for a couple of years, while drinking

to excess, and it turned her into an abusive monster.



>

>I also have been diagnosed with hep c.  Depression is one of the

>symptoms of this very strange and quiet disease.  There is little modern

>medicine can do for us.  There is interferon therapy which is very

>iffy.  Some folks opt not to try it.  I just had a biopsy and my doctor

>suggests I try it.  I am going to give it a trial run.  Only 8% of the

>folks who try it are responders.  Secretly I hope I am not a responder,

>but if I am the interferon is suppose help rid your body of this

>disease.  



Might I ask why you are secretly hoping you are not a responder? My cousin

Anne revealed to me last year that she too has hepatitis C, underwent a

biopsy and went on the Interferon treatment. From what she told me, it

worked for her. She told me that during the course of treatment the main

side effect was a numbing fatigue which made it difficult to get through

the day at work. She lived in a state of constant exhaustion for the duration.



The only prohibiting factor for me at this time is a lack of health

insurance. I was paying $140 bucks a month for a PPO up until about 6

months ago when I just couldn't afford it anymore. I'm getting married this

summer (simple & inexpensive civil ceremony <G>) and will be added to his

health plan as soon as possible. Interferon treatment costs about $800 a

month if paying out of pocket, not to mention costs of testing, etc...



>

>Yes Milk Thistle is good.  Capsules of milk thistle seed can be

>purchased at local health food stores.  Make sure they are not made with

>any alcohol or dyes, and etc.  



I'm going to start weeding through more of the milk thistle pages I pulled

up in my search. I'll definitely get started on capsules but would

certainly do fresh if possible. If anyone has any info as to acquiring seed

or plants I'd be really grateful. I've searched some of the larger herb

sites on the net and have come up empty handed so far. 



>There are some great web sites about Hep c for folks with all the same

>questions that both of us have.  Got on this web site through them.  If

>you would like there address just ask.



Yes please do send me the information. Now that I've decided to fight and

choose life in this matter, it's essential that I learn as much about it as

I can. After all, knowlege is power! Are there any mail lists for hep c

that you know of?



Anne had told me that her doctor recommended not having any children for

women with this disease. I'm childless by choice at this point, but would

really need to find out what the truth is about reproduction and hep c

moms. If you could point me in the direction of any information regarding

this I'd be eternally grateful.



Thank you for your help! I think we should take any further correspondence

we have to private email, but wanted to post this on the list in case

anyone had some milk thistle sources on the net to share.



Liila

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From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 11:35:23 EDT

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What are the symptoms of Hepetitus C? 



Pari

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From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 18:07:49 -0500

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Parijata2 wrote:

>There are none.  I did not know I went in for a complete physical.  A lot of folks find they have it when they try to donate blood.  



Some of the symptoms of hep c are flu like ailments, fatique, headaches,

a cold that never really goes away.  All things that are kind of

normal.  You would never know if you had it.  Statistics say that 1 in 8

people carry this disease and do not know it.



People with hep do not die any earlier than those that do not have it,

just when they do pass it is from liver complications.

> What are the symptoms of Hepetitus C?

> 

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 16:34:58 -0400

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> If anyone has any info as to acquiring seed

> or plants I'd be really grateful.



I have a beautiful specimen in my front garden (and one in the back, but

it's this year's plant).  4 ft X 3.5 ft and two blooms on it now, one I

had cut earlier for the highland games.  I will be more than delighted

to send some seed, how much would you like?  



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From: Doris Tuck <dlt@interlink.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 08:11:18 -0700

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>, a few alfalfa pills stops it.

>>Doris

>>

>

>How difficult is it to grow your own alfalfa for this reason?  I'm in 

>California.

>

I've never grown it but it seems to grow very nicely in the fields in 

the central valley.  I think it might take a fair amount of room 

(comparatively speaking, if you're in an urban area--I'm in San Jose 

with a little postage stamp size lot), but I don't think you'd have any 

trouble growing it. 



I think it's still not expensive to buy, though. Altho' when something 

gets well known, as alfalfa seems to be doing, they seem to jack up 

the price accordingly. For no other reason than they can.  There's 

certainly nothing expensive about growing or processing alfalfa.  It 

used to be  about $5 for a large bottle of 300 or 500 tablets.



These suckers are not easy to take, though.  They're kind of large 

(considering I usually take 5 or 6) and very dry and coarse.  Very 

gagging.



But, they work!



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Certified/practicing herbalists wanted

From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P. Jasiewicz)

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:50:27 EDT

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On Fri, 24 Apr 1998 10:36:04 -0600 (MDT) Juli Kight

<castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us> writes:

>I am preparing a resource list for all certified and or practicing

>herbalist by country/state etc. 



Through what process can I study, learn, and become certified as an

herbalist? Who is the certifying agency? etc.



>What your practice is and services avail. (acupuncture and oriental 

>med,

>Ayurvedic, Western, American Indian)



Do each of these schools of healing have there own certifications?



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Subject: [HERBINFO] St. John's Wort after Prozac

From: Stacey <Dreamer@wycol.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 98 22:48:15 EDT

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Hi all.  I have just stopped taking Prozac and want to try St. John's Wort

for depression.  Should I wait a certain amount of time before starting the

St. John's Wort?

Any comments or suggestions from anyone who's taken it, or knows about it?



Thanks,

Stacey





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] St. John's Wort after Prozac

From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:31:50 -0500

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Hi Stacey,



St. John's Wort is a safe way to stay balanced.  I drink a cup or two

each evening before bed or just to relax.  It does take a few weeks for

it to start working.  I don't think it would hurt if you started

drinking it now.  Try it in tea form.  It tastes a little lemony and is

wonderful.



Deborah



Stacey wrote:

> 

> Hi all.  I have just stopped taking Prozac and want to try St. John's Wort

> for depression.  Should I wait a certain amount of time before starting the

> St. John's Wort?

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From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 23:40:13 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-24 22:48:20 EDT, you write:



<< 

 Hi all.  I have just stopped taking Prozac and want to try St. John's Wort

 for depression.  Should I wait a certain amount of time before starting the

 St. John's Wort?

 Any comments or suggestions from anyone who's taken it, or knows about it?

 

 Thanks,

 Stacey

 

  >>

I don't know whether or not you should wait a period of time before starting

the St. John'swort  (thought I can't immediately think of any reason to wait),

but what I would like to suggest is that when you first start, mix your St.

Johnswort with either kava kava, or valerian root, etc. The reason for this is

that it takes a while for St Johnswort to build up in the system and if you

want immediate relief, it is good to have the other herb to do that right

away. It takes St Johnswort about a month to fully kick in, at which time you

can discontinue the other herb. Good luck. :)

Pari

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Subject: [HERBINFO] St. John's Wort after Prozac

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:54:38 -0500

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Hi all.  I have just stopped taking Prozac and want to try St. John's Wort

for depression.  Should I wait a certain amount of time before starting the

St. John's Wort?



I did that last summer, did not wait before starting St. Johnswort.

Apparently this is not the advisable way to do things but it worked for me,

the best thing I have ever done for myself. Just pay attention to your body

and any unusual symptoms. My preferred method of ingestion is tincture which

I make myself from the top 1/3 of fresh plants.



To Make Tincture

You will need: 16 oz. 100 proof  Vodka

Pint Jar with lid.

2-3 oz. Dried St. John's Wort Tops or Whole Herb fresh or dried (enough to

fill jar)



Stuff star with dried herb, cover with vodka. When using fresh plants as

opposed to dried, it is probably best to use a higher proof alcohol. Put the

lid on tight and give it a good shaking.  Shake jar  every day for two

weeks. Strain liquid. A press is a good idea, will get you more tincture for

your efforts



Store in bottles and use same dropperful doses as you would tincture from

the Health Food Store. This method works for a variety of wild herbs, and is

the best way to preserve the potency of the herbs.  You can get dropper

bottles from your local pharmacist or herbal supplier.

Recommended dosage of tincture is two droppers full 3 times a day. When to

take it depends on the person, some may find it better to take with meals to

avoid upset stomach.

    It would be worth your while to learn to ID St. Johnswort in the wild.

Seeds may take two years to bloom.

Look for oval shaped leaves , opposite each other on the stem , look for the

telltale dots on the leaves and flowers. Blooms on or around June 23 like

clockwork.   There are several species if St. Johnswort you are likely to

encounter in the wild; some of which will not make red tincture. If you

don't see dots, it is not hypericum perforatum. Grows in sunny places, but

also on the edge of woods.

    P. S. I am not a doctor, the above reflects my experience only, yours

may differ. Most common side effects of St. Johns are upset stomach, stiff

neck, headache, and fatigue. Side effects are less common than with

prescription anti-depressants. I found that adding Ginseng to my regimen

eliminated the fatigue. Studies show that St. John's wort is effective in

67-80% of depression cases.  St. Johnswort rarely has the bad effects on sex

that may be experienced with Prozac, such as vaginal dryness in women and

inability to reach orgasm in men. (Some men have told me that Prozac killed

their sex life, now how in the world would that make one less depressed?)



Hope this helps,

Karen Shelton

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From: "John Novar" <Mail@kombuchapower.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:06:53 -0400

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You can and should start immediately.  For complete information on ST.

John's Wort and links you can visit my web site by clicking on the url

below.

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To: herbinfo@Majordomo.net <herbinfo@Majordomo.net>

Date: Friday, April 24, 1998 10:49 PM

Subject: [HERBINFO] St. John's Wort after Prozac





>Hi all.  I have just stopped taking Prozac and want to try St. John's Wort

>for depression.  Should I wait a certain amount of time before starting the

>St. John's Wort?

>Any comments or suggestions from anyone who's taken it, or knows about it?

>

>Thanks,

>Stacey

>

>





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] St. John's Wort after Prozac

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:32:23 -0400

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Message text written by INTERNET:herbinfo@Majordomo.net

>It takes St Johnswort about a month to fully kick in, at which time you

can discontinue the other herb.<



Some people feel the results within days! 



>Try it in tea form.  It tastes a little lemony and is

wonderful. <

I suggest that you take the tincture because you don't get all the

constitutients from the dried form.



Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] St. John's Wort after Prozac

From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:55:34 EDT

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The tincture worked great for me and I felt results in a couple weeks----it

did take that long. I will be very interested in trying it as a tea from

flowers I have perssonally gathered. I purchased the dried herb from a health

food store ( I store I trust) and I made some tea and it was pretty yucky!!!

And I like bitter tea. So thanks for the note about it tasting like lemon-----

I will try my own batch from my own gatherings of the herb.

         Happy herbing! Marianne

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Jewelweed

From: Ellen~ <wings@voicenet.com>

Date: Fri, 24 Apr 1998 22:58:52 -0400

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Read below the quotes! *smile*



Date: Thu, 23 Apr 1998 06:22:18 -0400

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] jewelweed



> Wish I knew where I could get some.  Few, if any, of my many herb 

> books reference this plant.  I really had a tough time when I found out 

> it was good for poison oak and tried to find out what/where it was and 

> maybe get some.

> 



The best picture and reference I have found is _Edible_Wild_Plants_A NA

Field Guide_  It's an Outdoor Life book ISBN 0-8069-7488-5

It will be on my own shelf (instead of the library's) as soon as I can

afford it!  :-)  Don't feel bad, I don't have any in my yard either, but

I would LOVE to find it.  I have the plain 'touch-me-nots' the ones

where the seed pods pop upon touch, so I use that, makes no never mind

to my poison ivy, it goes away in 7 days anyway.



hawkscry

*******************8

Hawkscry, 

   I was taught that what you describe as 'touch-me-nots' IS jewelweed... it

matches the pictures.  The seeds -do- pop like that though. I found this out

last fall when I collected some seeds to bring with me to my new house.  I

guess I'd better plant them.  But, are you saying there is another similar

plant?  Anyway, it grew all over quite profusely at the edge of a parking

lot bordering on a wooded area at the apartment I just moved from.  It's not

in my yard yet, but it WILL be! *G* I use it in a salve I make, along with

plantain, pine, and dried comfrey, calendula, and lavender.  The trick with

jewelweed is to rub the juice of the stems on the parts of the body that

have been touched by poison ivy before the irritation begins.  I was also

taught that you could cut up the leaves and stems, boil them with water, and

freeze the liquid for use later, bathe in water with a few of these ice

cubes in to prevent the poison ivy from causing irritation.  Anyone else

want to comment on jewelweed?

   B*B

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:20:25 -0400

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>  I was taught that what you describe as 'touch-me-nots' IS jewelweed... it

> matches the pictures.



This plant is small, grows all over my yard and in pots from the

nursery, BUT, the flower is a five petaled specimen.  The seeds do have

pods that pop when you touch them, but it doesn't fit what I would call

jewelweed.  



And now that I've thought about it, I have pictures of jewelweed I took

in Stone Mt. Ga. at a waterfall and it is a LARGE plant.  These in my

yard are about 6 inches tall.



hawkscry

:::Thanks for more info.  Ihave all the ingredients.  :-):::



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Jewelweed

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:15:50 -0500

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Forgive me, but http://www.altnature.com/gallery/jewelweed.jpg  is my jewel

weed page. It is not an ad for anything, just a picture and a few words so

should be helpful enough to warrant posting that link.

One of the interesting things about jewel weed is the way the morning dew

beads up on the leaves. Very pretty plant.

( will be sure and save seeds this year.)

Karen Shelton

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From: Ellen~ <wings@voicenet.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:08:49 -0400

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MM Hawkscry!



>Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 07:20:25 -0400

>From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

>Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Jewelweed

>

>>  I was taught that what you describe as 'touch-me-nots' IS jewelweed... it

>> matches the pictures.

>

>This plant is small, grows all over my yard and in pots from the

>nursery, BUT, the flower is a five petaled specimen.  The seeds do have

>pods that pop when you touch them, but it doesn't fit what I would call

>jewelweed.  

>

++Ah, okay, the plant that I was thinking of -is- quite tall, not a short

thing, at least 2-3 ft tall, and it has flowers that look almost like snap

dragons or 'butter and eggs' (shame on me, I should know the proper

botanical description for that sort of flower :)   )  The ones I that grew

near me had orange flowers if I recall correctly.  As I mentioned before,

I'm going to plant some, but it's a little cool and quite rainy right now.

If anyone wants seeds though, I can certainly harvest some this summer.



>And now that I've thought about it, I have pictures of jewelweed I took

>in Stone Mt. Ga. at a waterfall and it is a LARGE plant.  These in my

>yard are about 6 inches tall.

>

++Nah, not the same thing, but lots of plants have that seed dispersing

mechanism.  It was quite a surprise when I went to gather some seeds the

first time!  *smile*

    Ellen~



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Here's one you don't see every day

From: "Lori Herron" <lori@groupus.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 00:58:52 -0400

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Hi, list friends!



Just spent most of the week with a lady working on a database project.

She's very pretty, early forties, acts extremely feminine, and was born a

man.  Now, I know a lot of you are going to think things like "freak" and

"homosexual" and such.  Before I met her, I had similar thoughts about

transsexuals.  However, I have now completely reformed my opinion on the

subject.  To me, this is not a man who is somehow messed up mentally or

sexually.  This is a woman born with the wrong genitals.  She thinks like a

woman, acts like a woman, (in an entirely natural fashion) and to me the

idea of her having to live as a man (which she did until just last

Christmas) is what is unnatural.  This is background, only, if you have a

different opinion, I respect that, and don't want to start a discussion of

the rights or wrongs of transsexualism.  Totally off-topic.



What I would like to ask is for advice on herbals, topically or internal,

that might help with things like reducing facial hair, smoothing the skin,

soothing the throat (to help with voice), etc.  She is undergoing hormonal

therapy and has not yet been able to afford surgery to complete her

transition.  I know what I would recommend for someone not undergoing the

extreme hormonal therapy, but I'm leery of recommending anything that might

contraindict with that.  She is also taking Welbutrin to assist with

moderate anxiety, and wondered if St. John's Wort or other herbs would help.

She has trouble sleeping well.



Any advice would be much appreciated.  I think she is a really wonderful

person and would like to do anything I can to support and assist her through

this.



Many thanks,



Lori





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Here's one you don't see every day

From: Sam Brooks <sbrooks@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:34:05 -0700 (PDT)

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At 12:58 AM 4/25/98 -0400, Lori wrote:



>Hi, list friends!

>

>Just spent most of the week with a lady working on a database project.

>She's very pretty, early forties, acts extremely feminine, and was born a

>man. <<<SNIP>>>



Actually Lori, it's much more commonplace than you would think.



I work at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles.

CAT Scan Tech/Dept of Imaging aka Radiology aka X-Ray.



When a baby such as you describe is born, the baby is imaged

to determine the extent of malformation and whenever possible

reconstructive surgery performed as soon as possible.



I'll leave it up to the herbal guru's on the list to help

you out with that part of it.



Sam

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Martha/ schizandra

From: aromalux@best.com (aromalux>Cheri)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 02:11:06 -0700

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 on a snack bar, and this berry

>was included. She is on medication for heart on hiatal hernia problems,

>and doesn't want to ingest anything that could give her problems.

>



  Dear Martha



  Hi,

  Listen, I have not completed my studies as of yet in herbal medicine so I

would not contitute my knowledge as absolute at this point.... however,

from what I do know regarding "schizandra is tthat people with heart

problems, diabetes, epilepsy and a host of other disorders/illnesses MUST

be very cautious with the use of schizandra. Preferably not advised to use

it at all. If use was to be instituted then a herbal professional should be

the one to oversee and calculate the dosage. From what I have learned so

far though, it is best to avoid this herb unless a drastically crucial

diagnosis dictates it's use. There can be many severe side effects with

it's use-it's not a casual herb. So, at least for now "I" think you should

advise your friend to eliminate it's use unless advised by a competent

herbalist (and I bet, under the circumstances,  one won't prescribe it's

use either).

 So, check it out first and hope I have been at least a bit of help. Talk

soon, Cheri



BTW, if I am wrong on this, or if others more competent would advise, then

I do hope to see the correction appear her on the list.



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Maca?

From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 06:10:46 EDT

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What is the herb MACA? Does anyone know what it can do? Where I can get it? I

heard it comes from the RainForests in Peru, but that's about all. I need more

info. This herb might be good for a condition I have, but not sure.  



Pari

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Need EZ soap recipe

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:28:38 -0500

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All this talk about jewel weed...I would like to make a soap from it.

Previously I have made a soft soap using jewel weed preserved in glycerine

but would like to make bars. Can anyone provide a soap recipe easy enough

for an inexperienced soap maker? The glycerine solution I have is 60%

glycerine and 40% very strong jewel weed decoction.



I have heard that this method of using jewel weed would not work, but

friends and family say otherwise from experience with the soft soap.

Prevents and cures all plant irritations we have used it for, including

nettle sting.

Karen Shelton

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Need EZ soap recipe

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:05:13 -0400 (EDT)

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I'm afraid I don't quite follow you on that 60% glycerine thing, Karen.

Are you saying that your jewel weed is currently sitting in a

concentration of 60% glycerine?  What is the other 40% of the solution

made of?



I think the easiest thing for you to do at this point is probably just to

go out and buy some glycerine soap base.  It consists of soap that is

already made .. you just melt it down, add your ingredients, and let it

harden up again in your molds.  It has glycerine in it, in addition to

saponified vegetable fats, Vitamin E, and some other things. (This varies

by manufacturer).



One manufacturer of the stuff is Surrey, based in Leander, TX.  You can

buy their soap base in Hobby Lobby, Wal-Mart, or Michael's.  You can also

mail order soap base from several places on the Web: try

www.tkbtrading.com, or www.greencottage.com.  Good luck and have fun!



- Ela



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Diverticulitis, help!

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 08:31:33 -0500

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Any good remedies for diverticulitis? My husband suffers dreadfully from

this. Any help would be appreciated, tired of having to come home early all

the time after eating out. I guess spastic colon is also a factor. I am

blessed with a lot of blackberry, would leaf tea help?



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Diverticulitis, help!

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 07:47:07 -0400

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> Any good remedies for diverticulitis?



Proper diet.  Sometimes we have to forgo what we want to eat to live

with a condition.  (being wheat intolerant is a bit*h)  avoiding seed

goods (cukes, corn, peanuts) and other hard to digest foods is the

ultimate.



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Subject: [HERBINFO] jewel weed soap

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 14:52:18 -0500

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Are you saying that your jewel weed is currently sitting in a

concentration of 60% glycerine?



What is the other 40% of the solution

made of?





60% glycerine and 40% is very strong jewel weed tea. It will keep that way,

have had it since last  July. (Made one 50/50 and it grew mold on top). So

to make the soft soap, this is added to bars of ivory soap which have been

grated, then some oatmeal to thicken. Store in sealed jelly jars until

needed.  Very primitive effort at making a poison ivy remedy, but it did the

job and the jars of potion have not spoiled 9 months later. Which is good,

as they are now nice to have on hand until the jewel weed gets bigger and

can be harvested in greater quantity. I wait until it is about 2 1/2  feet

tall to harvest.

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] jewel weed soap

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 15:57:49 -0400 (EDT)

--------



That soft soap recipe sounds ingenius, Karen!  Wow .. I've got to try

that!



I bet the glycerine soap base would work well for you for a "hard soap"

(bar soap).  If you buy the Wal-Mart type, make sure you get the opaque

("exfoliating") type.  That's the one that's thick enough to suspend

herbs.  I make stevia soap, chamomile soap, oatmeal soap, oatmeal/honey

soap, etc. with it all the time.  Have fun!



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Give up dairy? Off topic?

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:37:08 -0500

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I don't know about giving up dairy helping allergy problems.

Pari

Give up dairy? Don't you worry about osteoporosis? What is in the dairy

products that could cause problems?

I have often heard this recommendation but haven't heard the reason, would

appreciate if someone would explain it to me. And since it is a bit

off-topic, you can email me at nature@edge.net .

Thank You,

Karen Shelton

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Give up dairy? Off topic?

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 08:02:02 GMT

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On Sat, 25 Apr 1998 20:37:08 -0500, nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton) wrote to

<herbinfo@Majordomo.net>:



>>I don't know about giving up dairy helping allergy problems.



>Give up dairy? Don't you worry about osteoporosis? What is in the dairy

>products that could cause problems?



Milk sugars and milk proteins. Many people are allergic to them; it's genetic.

Any of us that are not of strong descent from the dairy-eating countries (eg.

people from northern Europe, or the Masai in Africa) have problems digesting

milk proteins after they're 3-10 or so.



In addition you should know that you do not absorb any calcium to speak of from

milk; milk minerals are absorbed in the small intestine which doesn't do a very

good job of it. 

Mineral teas like nettle, (organic or wild) green oat straw, red clover, alfalfa

and such work better for remineralization; they are better because their

minerals are in a solution that will be absorbed in the stomach lining. Stuff

absorbed in the stomach lining goes straight into the blood stream.



And yes, if you have problems with dairy then even yogurt will give you

digestive problems. The most common ones are the runs, gas, and colic. A common

but rather poorly noticed problem with milk is an overload of mucous in

unexpected parts of the body (mostly sinuses and/or ears). 

So it does make sense to go off -all- dairy if you have chronic sinus problems,

or chronic earaches, or such. If this doesn't help after two completely

dairy-free weeks then you know that that wasn't the problem and you can look

elsewhere (and eat icecream again!).



If you -really- want to diminish your true allergies and hypersensitivities:

- First, do not expose yourself to any of your true allergens. -Any- exposure to

an allergen will make your allergy worse.

- Second, work on your liver and improve your digestion to make you more

resistant to your sensitivities. 



Cheers

Henriette



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Subject: RE: [HERBINFO] Give up dairy? Off topic?

From: "Andersen, Robyn" <rander@fhcrc.org>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:50:03 -0700

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		Preventing osteoporosis when giving up dairy products is

not difficuly there are many non-dairy sources of calcium many of which

are absorbed and used better than dairy calcium. 



		Tums, and brocoli for two but there are many many more. 



		- robyn 

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Vitamin C

From: "Bob Chapman " <artbob@mscomm.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:27:46 -0700

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Hi, my name is Bob Chapman and I just Joined hebinfo. I would like to know if there is any problem

with taking Vitamin C everyday?. I take 1 to 3mg throughout the day.







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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Vitamin C

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:11:44 -0400

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> I would like to know if there is any problem

> with taking Vitamin C everyday?



Vitamin C is a water soluble vitamin and what is not taken up by the

body is flushed through the kidneys and dispensed of.  I have never

heard of any problem with the taking of Vit.C daily except for certain

persons that couldn't handle ascorbic acid well.  I personally take

500mg twice a day along with 100mgs of VitB6 and 250mg Mg to combat

Fibromyalgia (+decongestant once).



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Vitamin C

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 10:33:40 -0400

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Vitamin C can be taken in large quantity to bowel tolerance.  I take about

3000 mg. a day ( 1000  -  3 times)  just as routine.  This dosage is for the

anti-oxidant properties and taken with mixed carotenes, and vitamin E, and

Selenium.    If I was feeling sick, I would increase that amount and take it

hourly .  When bowels start getting loose , you have reached the body's need

for C and have excess dosage, so back off on the dosage.

Research Linus Pauling and his work with Vitamin C.

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Bloodroot

From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P Jasiewicz)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 09:53:35 -0700

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Well, I have taken a chance and planted all my herbs yesterday. It's a

little early for New Jersey but the weather has been exceptionally warm

this year and I don't think we'll have any more frost. If it gets cold

I'll just have to cover them up like we do with tomatoes around here.

Thanks to everyone for the helpful hints and responses to my queries.

But, never fear, you're not through with me yet! Now I have to figure out

when to harvest the various varieties, how to dry and/or preserve them,

use them, etc. So I'm certain I'll be out here yelling for help again

soon.

On that note, I'll start right now. Does anyone know of a source for

Bloodroot? Or do I have to go find it growing wild and harvest it. The

medicinal qualities interest me and I understand that the bloodroot was

used by Native Americans to paint themselves red. (Another hobby of mine

is colonial American living history reenactments, Native American culture

of the same time period, etc.)

I'm also looking for Comfrey plants and Lemon balm although I suspect I

may find Lemon Balm at a local nursery. 





help



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Bloodroot

From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:36:33 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-26 14:46:37 EDT, apj6@juno.com writes:



<< I'm also looking for Comfrey plants and Lemon balm although I suspect I

 may find Lemon Balm at a local nursery.  >>



Andy,



I ordered my comfrey plants from Rasland Farms via the internet. I'm certain

they also carry lemon balm. Plants arrived within a week (3 days I think) in

great shape.

http://www.alcasoft.com/rasland/



Take care,

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Give up dairy?

From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 14:44:44 EDT

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I don't mind, and can even accept that some people can't drink milk or that

milk causes some allergies.  What I have a problem is a fanaticism (usually

Vegan) that milk is a bad food and no one should ever drink it, or any other

dairy products. I am not, however, saying anyone is a fanatic, just that this

is what I have run into in the past. Some people are healthier with dairy just

as much as others are not healthy with dairy. It is all individual as well as

in relationship to each persons own constitution. 



I would like to point out why milk is sometimes bad. There are basically three

reasons.



1-The current milk industry is tampering with the milk. Not only are they

overheating it which kills the good enzymes in milk, but they are also adding

chemicals whcih they do not list. 



2-Cold milk vs. hot milk: Cold milk is the opposite of hot milk. Cold milk

goes right to the stomach and damages it and the digestion. Hot milk will go

in an more of an upward direction and is considered a brain food in

traditional Ayurvedic texts. Although in this country the only way that enters

the mind reagarding how to drink milk is cold. 



3- Overconsumption-According to Ayurveda, the average healthy adult should

only drink slightly less than 2 cups of milk a day. What we see here in

America on television is a healthy young high school athlete downing a quart

of cold milk right from his fridge as soon as he gets home from school. We

look at his big body and it subconcsiously makes a link between health,

strengh, cold milk and large quantities  of milk. But we do not need large

quantities to be healthy. Too much of a good thing is no longer a good thing,

and could be why many develop milk allergies and digestive disorders in the

first place. 



Pari

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Give up dairy?

From: Parijata2 <Parijata2@aol.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:08:20 EDT

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>>>Does the milk info also apply to cheese?<<<



Not really. When milk is changed into cheese it also changes its constitution,

as it does with yogurt. Only in the opposite direction of yogurt. Cheese is

more of a constipating foodstuff. Overconsumption of that is not good.

Actually it is better not to eat any cheese, but because of the flavor most

will. So, everything in moderation. :-)  However, cheese is not really in in

Ayurveda. Curd is. It is called panir and it behaves differently in the body

than cheese. It is easier to digest panir. However cheese is hard on the

digestion.



Pari

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Subject: [HERBINFO] information needed

From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@Dekalb.Net>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 13:17:39 -0600 (MDT)

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Morning everyone,



I just brought back a bag of Florida grapefruit from the grocery store.  As I

opened it this little piece of paper fell out....says:



Prince of Wales Natural Color

Lake Wales Citrus Growers Association

Lake Wales, Florida  33853



Freshness protected with Thiabendazole-Imazalil



What in the heck is that?  The outside of the fruit feel as if they've been

waxed.



Any help will be appreciated, and I apologize since this is off-topic.



Sandi

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Jewelweed Soap

From: Ellen~ <wings@voicenet.com>

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 19:08:48 -0400

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Karen wrote:



>Subject: [HERBINFO] Need EZ soap recipe

>

>All this talk about jewel weed...I would like to make a soap from it.

  [snip]

>I have heard that this method of using jewel weed would not work, but

>friends and family say otherwise from experience with the soft soap.

>Prevents and cures all plant irritations we have used it for, including

>nettle sting.

>Karen Shelton

>Alternative Nature Herbal

>www.altnature.com



Hi Karen! 

   This sounds very interesting!  I was also taught that you can't 'keep'

infusions of jewelweed, that it loses its power, but perhaps this teacher

never tried your method.  Now my interest has been piqued, and I'm thinking

of trying to make some soap as well.  Perhaps we can collaborate, via email?

*smile*

   

   Ellen~



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Subject: [HERBINFO] catnip helpful as tranquilizer

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:35:44 CDT

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While in a frazzled "need a drink" state at work, I remembered 

Gerald's advice to try eating herbs, so I munched on some catnip and 

was immediately relaxed and peaceful.  This worked for the next day 

and the next, too.



I was reminded of Howie Brounstein's point that some herbs have such 

a subtle effect that "[y]ou may have to take notice of it 

consciously. However, if you are irritable and about to fight with 

your partner, you will find the effects pronounced."



Catnip the most "neutral" of the sedative/tranquilizer herbs I've 

tried, compared to hops and valerian.



Thimbleberry

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Subject: [HERBINFO] catnip helpful as tranquilizer

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:30:04 -0500

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Catnip the most "neutral" of the sedative/tranquilizer herbs I've

tried, compared to hops and valerian.



Thimbleberry



One thing about Catnip that makes me tranquil, is its cheery, fragrant,

noninvasive presence in my garden. It will reseed, just does it in

moderation, and it one of the first plants to respond to the early warmth of

spring. . It just has a great personality! No wonder it makes a great

relaxing tea, I use it in most of my summer concoctions for its nice taste.

Catnip can be grown easily from seed, division, or cuttings, and tolerates

the hard clay soil and hot dry summers of Tennessee, so will most likely

grow anywhere; but most likely does better up north as it does most of its

growing when temperatures are cool, but not freezing.

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Jewelweed soap

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 20:23:24 -0500

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Now my interest has been piqued, and I'm thinking

of trying to make some soap as well.  Perhaps we can collaborate, via email?

*smile*



   Ellen~

I would be happy to share the recipe for my jewel weed soap, only problem is

I did not measure anything! I can tell you how I preserved it in glycerine,

though.



Fill a pan up with Jewel Weed and water, bring to a boil then turn down the

heat immediately to a gentle simmer. When the jewel weed is soft, strain it

and press out as much juice as possible. Gently simmer this down. Measure

out 12 oz of this concoction and mix with 16 oz glycerine. Seal in sterile

jars while still warm.



I suppose this mixture could be dabbed on poison ivy directly, but I prefer

using it with soap for better texture. I can't remember exactly how I made

the soap, but it involved grated bars of ivory, oatmeal, some other herbs,

(mountain mint was one, I hoped it would add insecticide properties). Think

I also added some citric acid to help as a preservative. Since that is

basically just vitamin C, it seemed like a good choice. Well, I will try to

measure things this summer to pass on the recipe.

It worked for us and another family I gave some to, hope it works for you as

well. I was rather surprised to hear that it did not work when processed

after using successfully for the last two years!



As for collaboration, let me know what you have in mind.

Email always welcome

Karen Shelton

nature@edge.net

www.altnature.com

AltNature Online Herbal

I prefer to also bathe with the soap prior to going out, as it is a good

preventative measure.





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Jewelweed soap

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 05:46:07 -0400 (EDT)

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> I also added some citric acid to help as a preservative. Since that is

> basically just vitamin C, it seemed like a good choice. Well, I will try to



Vitamin C is ascorbic acid, not citric acid.  Citric acid is the stuff

sold as "sour salt" in the supermarket.  I use it to make my bath bombs

fizzy.



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Jewelweed soap

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 06:44:03 -0400 (EDT)

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Hi, Ellen!  Well, calling my soapcasting a "recipe" would be kind of

overstating the case.  All I really do is melt down the soap base, add my

herbs, pour it into molds, and let it harden back up again.  You can buy

soap base by Surry Corp. at Wal-Mart, Hobby Lobby, or Michael's .. or

order a different type of soap base (works the same way, though ...) from

www.greencottage.com or www.tkbtrading.com.



As for stevia .... it's antibacterial and works GREAT against acne and

other skin conditions.  I love it!  Makes a wonderful soap.



- Ela

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Subject: [HERBINFO] lemon balm, comfrey

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 21:02:23 -0500

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I bought comfrey plants from this woman, got a great deal and the plants are

already blooming nicely!

Soza, Shari

E-mail Address(es):

  soza@snowcrest.net





How much lemon balm do you want? Another one you don't want to grow too much

of, although it does better in its second year, and as far as I can tell,

even better in the third when it needs to be divided and planted further

apart. Supposedly it does not store well, I use it fresh for tincture.



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] lemon balm, comfrey

From: apj6@juno.com (Andrew P. Jasiewicz)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 23:21:17 EDT

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>

>How much lemon balm do you want? Another one you don't want to grow 

>too much

>of, although it does better in its second year, and as far as I can 

>tell,

>even better in the third when it needs to be divided and planted 

>further

>apart. Supposedly it does not store well, I use it fresh for tincture.

>

>Karen Shelton

>Alternative Nature Herbal

>www.altnature.com

>



I'm just looking for two or three plants. I don't have alot of room

antway and I don't want to overplant something and I have far more than I

will ever need.

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Lemon Balm

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Sun, 26 Apr 1998 22:34:16 -0500

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You can find it at almost all greenhouses,also  Home Depot, Lowe's.. not

hard to find as it is desirable for its nice aroma. I have some,  but with

the cost of shipping, you would do better to buy Lemon Balm locally.

Karen Shelton

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Subject: [HERBINFO] glycerine soap

From: Doris Tuck <dlt@interlink.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 08:23:36 -0700

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>60% glycerine and 40% is very strong jewel weed tea. It will keep that way,

>have had it since last  July. (Made one 50/50 and it grew mold on top). So

>to make the soft soap, this is added to bars of ivory soap which have been

>grated, then some oatmeal to thicken. Store in sealed jelly jars until

>needed.  Very primitive effort at making a poison ivy remedy, but it did the

>job and the jars of potion have not spoiled 9 months later. Which is good,

>as they are now nice to have on hand until the jewel weed gets bigger and

>can be harvested in greater quantity. I wait until it is about 2 1/2  feet



>tall to harvest.





>

>That soft soap recipe sounds ingenius, Karen!  Wow .. I've got to try

>that!

>

>I bet the glycerine soap base would work well for you for a "hard soap"

>(bar soap).  If you buy the Wal-Mart type, make sure you get the opaque

>("exfoliating") type.  That's the one that's thick enough to suspend

>herbs.  I make stevia soap, chamomile soap, oatmeal soap, oatmeal/honey

>soap, etc. with it all the time.  Have fun!





Do you mean I can make soaps without having to go through all that 

stuff with the lye?  When I first heard people talking about making soap, 

I thought, that sounds fun and would be nice.  Then they started talking 

about boiling lye and I changed my mind.



This sounds doable (not dangerous) and fun.



I'd really like to hear from someone with more specific details.  Like, 

I've never done anything like this before.



TIA,



Doris





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] glycerine soap

From: Jacoly <jacoly@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:00:29 -0400

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>Do you mean I can make soaps without having to go through all that 

>stuff with the lye?  When I first heard people talking about making soap, 

>I thought, that sounds fun and would be nice.  Then they started talking 

>about boiling lye and I changed my mind.

>

>This sounds doable (not dangerous) and fun.



I buy glycerine blocks at Walmart and follow the directions.  For first

timers, they have a wonderful kit that has lots of stuff for a good value

and all the directions.

The kit is called...

Glycerine Soap Making Kit

Pure Pleasure Formula

the co is 

13110 Trails End Rd.

Leander, TX 78641

Phone: 512-267-7172

Fax:	512-267-4864



I am looking for them on the web, however all I can find is their market

rating (very good too, up over %30 in 97, so it seems :-)



But no page that I can find.



Well, good luck.  I just made a batch today.

If you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] glycerine soap

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 20:23:32 -0400 (EDT)

--------



Yup, that sounds like the stuff by Surrey that I use!  The neat thing

about it is that you're not really "making" soap (just melting it and

remolding it), so the lye part is already taken care of before you buy the

base.  No messy lye to deal with!



The somewhat bad thing about it is that Surrey has propylene glycol, SLS,

and some other not-so-nice things in their base.  That's why my next soap

base order is coming from someone I know and trust on the toiletries list!  



The Surrey stuff is good to get started with, though, and still fun to

work with ...



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Subject: [HERBINFO] yogurt

From: Doris Tuck <dlt@interlink.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 10:13:15 -0700

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>The lactose has been broken down by the fermentation.  Also yogurt is a 

>predigested food, thanks to the bacteria used for fermenting. 

>Lactobacillus bulgaris and acidophilus.  Yogurt is digested and utilized 

>twice as fast as milk.  Less time for putrefaction.  The acidophilus 

>bacteria help with the manufacture of B vitamins and K.  

>

>Yogurt is a natural anti-biotic. An 8 ounce jar of yougurt prvides an 

>antibiotic value equal to 14 units of penicillin.  It kills virulent 

>bacteria such as amoeba, typhus,  S. dysenteriae,  E. coli,  

>streptococcus,  staphylococcus .  

>At the same time it feeds the benificial bacteria in the gut.  

>



Are we talking about the stuff you buy in the grocery stores here in 

the US, or real yogurt?  I _think_ not much of the above applies to 

the pasteurized, sugared, commercial stuff available here.  



Would very  much like to be corrected if I'm wrong.



Doris





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] yogurt

From: Howie Thomason <hmt@ican.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:51:54 -0400

--------

 Doris Tuck dlt@interlink.com wrote:



>>Yogurt is a natural anti-biotic. An 8 ounce jar of yougurt prvides an 

>>antibiotic value equal to 14 units of penicillin.  It kills virulent 

>>bacteria such as amoeba, typhus,  S. dysenteriae,  E. coli,  

>>streptococcus,  staphylococcus .  

>>At the same time it feeds the benificial bacteria in the gut.  

>>

>

>Are we talking about the stuff you buy in the grocery stores here in 

>the US, or real yogurt?  I _think_ not much of the above applies to 

>the pasteurized, sugared, commercial stuff available here.  

>

>Would very  much like to be corrected if I'm wrong.



Hi All, 



It was me who posted the info on yogurt.  I don't live in the States so I 

don't know what is there.  Here in Canada you can buy real yogurt, live 

culture, ect......  Astro is one brand.   I don't buy yogurt , as it is 

very easy to make.  The above reference is to real live culture yogurt.  

I have made yogurt using  the store-bought product as a starter so it 

must be alive.  The junk you are talking about may be called yogurt but I 

would consider it pudding.  Just more industrial food (non-food). 





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Subject: [HERBINFO] St. Johns Wort-thanx& another ?

From: Stacey <Dreamer@wycol.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 98 15:28:38 EDT

--------

Thanks for all the info regarding St. John's Wort.  I bought a bottle of

NaturesHerbs yesterday.  Does anybody know of that brand?  It is

standardized to .03  I took one capsule this morning.  My question is this,

did it make anybody else extremely tired?  I don't know if it's that, or I'm

just coming down with something.  All I want to do is sleep.  I thought that

it took a few weeks at least for it to take effect.  Also, if it is from the

St. John's Wort, does the tiredness go away?



One more question, when I was at the store I noticed Bach's Rescue Remedy.

Does anybody use it?  Do you find it to be worthwhile?



Thanks,

Stacey





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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:45:45 -0400

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> did it make anybody else extremely tired?  I don't know if it's that, or I'm

> just coming down with something.  All I want to do is sleep.  I thought that

> it took a few weeks at least for it to take effect. 



I can't take SJW.  It aggrevates areas that get poison ivy ( and yeah, i

do work in the sun all day ) but I found that it made me weary.  I was

taking it at night in hopes that the photosensitivity would not be a

problem.



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Subject: [HERBINFO] St. Johns Wort-thanx& another ?

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:31:48 -0400

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>One more question, when I was at the store I noticed Bach's Rescue Remedy.

Does anybody use it?  Do you find it to be worthwhile?

<



It is a very good formula for high stress situations.  Not all the time,

just when you are really upset or extremely stressed.  It is very effective

if used this way.



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Subject: [HERBINFO] St. john's wort and fatigue

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:30:23 -0500

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St. Johnswort can cause fatigue in some people. Try reducing the dose. I

balance it out by taking ginseng, which seems to really help. Too me, it is

worth taking St. Johnswort as it helps some with chronic pain as well as

depression, you have to decide for yourself if it is right for you.

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Growing lemon balm

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:38:42 -0400 (EDT)

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Can anyone give me any advice on growing lemon balm, please?   I just

bought a lovely, big plant of it today, and want to make sure I "raise it

well"!  



Also, is there more than one type of lemon balm?  This plant just has

SOOOO much bigger leaves than the one I bought at Home Depot last year!

Thanks!



- Ela



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From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@Dekalb.Net>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 19:52:11 -0400 (EDT)

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Ela,

you wrote:

>

>Can anyone give me any advice on growing lemon balm, please?   I just

>bought a lovely, big plant of it today, and want to make sure I "raise it

>well"!  



Lemon Balm survives everything and anything.....it is invasive and will very

quickly take over your herb garden if you are not careful..  It does not need

any TLC, believe me, I planted one plant 2 years ago and I am constantly

digging it up and giving it to friends.....it takes over....winters

well....never dies!



But for all its 'flaws' I love it - the smell is wonderful and the tea is

sublime.....



Plant and enjoy........



Sandi

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Growing lemon balm

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 18:57:09 -0500

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Can anyone give me any advice on growing lemon balm, please?   I just

bought a lovely, big plant of it today, and want to make sure I "raise it

well"!



Lemon balm is any easy plant, just put it in the ground and water it during

dry periods. Mine grows in the clay soil equally as well as it does in the

raised beds, but I put compost around it and if it looks like it needs it I

will add fish emulsion.

 My pro gardener friend had one last year 3 ft in diameter.  Only thing I

noticed was its best not to harvest any until the second year, and with that

wonderful fragrance it is hard not to.  By the third year it will be ready

to be divided.

Lemon balm makes a very tasty tincture when mixed with vodka <urp> :-) Hard

to stop at just one drop. <g>

As far as are there two kinds, I don't think so. Chances are the plant with

the larger leaves was just healthier. I went to Home Depot yesterday, too,

and rescued some of their plants out of pity, they looked so neglected! At

least that was the case in Murfreesboro, TN. My best buys on herb plants

came from a local veggie stand down the road, and they looked nice. You

ought to see my 75 cent 4" pots of bee balm!

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Growing lemon balm

From: KDC <theconman@earthlink.net>

Date: Mon, 27 Apr 1998 21:41:41 -0500

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Mondarda, Bee Balm.  A minty smelling flower that blooms in July.  The

bees like it pink, red flowers that look, to me, like fire crackers

exploding.



Ela Heyn wrote:

> 

>   What is "bee balm",

> please?

> 

> - Ela

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Growing lemon balm

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:32:07 -0400

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>Lemon Balm survives everything and anything.....it is invasive and will

very

quickly take over your herb garden if you are not careful..  It does not

need

any TLC, believe me, I planted one plant 2 years ago and I am constantly

digging it up and giving it to friends.....it takes over....winters

well....never dies!



But for all its 'flaws' I love it - the smell is wonderful and the tea is

sublime.....



Plant and enjoy....... Sandi<



I agree.  I planted my first plant five years ago and it crops up all over

the veggie garden, between the bricks in the walkway, etc.  I love brushing

my legs on it when I walk by and smelling the wonderful aroma.  I make sun

tea from the fresh leaves all summer.  Wonderful stuff !!!!  My friends

like to come over for lemon balm tea or Melissa tea as I usually call it. 

That is the real name, Melissa officinalis.  If you don't want it somewhere

in the garden just pull it out and use it to dry or for fresh tea.  

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Apricot pits

From: "Lori Herron" <lori@groupus.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 00:15:59 -0400

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A friend of mine asked me this question, and while I don't think the pits

are poisonous, now I'm not sure.  Anyways here's what she asked me:



I was looking up info on Amygdalin for a friend recently diagnosed with

cancer.  There are some Web sites that claim vitamin B-17 or Laetril (sp?)

is contained in  apricot and peach pits, which can be ground and consumed to

not only fight existing cancers, but as a preventative measure.  What do you

think about this?  I thought those pits  were poisonous, but if there is

validity to this, would consider using or suggesting that others I know look

into.



Can anyone help?



Many thanks,



Lori



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Apricot pits

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 05:44:59 -0400 (EDT)

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I know that the pits contain laetrile, but at the same time, there's no

way I would try to actually process and use the pits myself for that

purpose.  I think that goes a bit beyond the realm of herbal medicine.



- Ela



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Apricot pits

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:23:41 -0400

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There are some Web sites that claim vitamin B-17 or Laetril (sp?)

>is contained in  apricot and peach pits, which can be ground and consumed

to

>not only fight existing cancers, but as a preventative measure.  What do

you

>think about this?  I thought those pits  were poisonous,

------------------------------

This was an alternative (eat for health)practice back in the early 70's.  I

can remember cracking apricot pits for the kernels inside and eating them.

I was not sick, and it was a fad that I tired of.

I remember being told that a few were good but they could be toxic in larger

quantities.  It seems like most cancer treatments are toxic in order to kill

the cancer.

You should be able to get some more detailed information on the web about

doses.

Donna

in da mtns



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From: HERBALS <HERBALS@aol.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 16:29:22 EDT

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Hello Everyone....Do me a favor, would you please?  I am working on a Special

Edition on my newsletter for National Herb Week which is the week leading up

to Mother's Day.  I want to send it out on Thursday.  I also want to make a

special handout for my shop for the "Festival of Herbs."



Would you please send me your favorite recipe using mint.  Foods, teas,

jellies, body care products...WHATEVER as long as it is using mint.  Also your

growing tips on mint and your favorite varieties.  How about that favorite

Mint Julep recipe, too?  Derby Day IS Saturday.



You will be given credit for your recipe.



If you want to subscribe to the newsletter, send me e-mail with SUBSCRIBE as

the Subject.  It is FREE.



Thanks for all your help in advance,

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From: Bill Davis <alphaman@multiverse.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 18:19:08 -0700

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Hi Tamara,



When the Arabs make tea they use a mixture of about 1/4th dry mint leaves 

to 3/4th Ceylon Tea. The amount of mint can vary according to taste. It 

is very good either hot or cold. I drink it often and I am not an Arab.



Dr. Bill

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From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:30:46 -0400

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> Also your

growing tips on mint and your favorite varieties.<



My favorite mints are orange mint and lavender mint.  I have them in pots,

so they don't grow wild in my yard like the spearmint and watermint do.  My

wild mints like to grow their roots attached to the inside of my redwood

raised-bed planter boxes.  They have tried to take over my brick patio

every year, until I can loosen them from their hold on the bricks and the

mortar.  I feel they think they have some ownership in my garden.  There is

nowhere that they don't go!!!   It is nice that they can all be used for

nice teas and herb mixes.  I smell them everytime that I walk through the

gardens.  The aroma of mint is so refreshing.  I use a spritzer of

peppermint in my high school classes when the kids are feeling sleepy.  I

just have them shut their eyes and spray a little in their face and they

are not sleepy anymore.  It works and the room smells good too!  Spray it

on the bottom of your feet to wake yourself up too.  Then have a nice warm

cup of mint tea or a cup of mint sun tea infused under the warmth of the

sun. 



Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Identify Avis?

From: Lonnie VanTrump <lvantrum@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 17:40:28 -0400

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I'm wondering if anyone can help me identify a herb. I bought it last

spring from a herb farm and the dealer called it "avis". She didn't seem

to know it by any other name. It is a short, 3-6" compact plant with

broad leaves and a red flower. Sorry, I don't know any better way to

describe it. I thought I could check my books and figure out what it is,

but was unable to find it.  TIA



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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 21:41:06 -0400

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> from a herb farm and the dealer called it "avis". She didn't seem

> to know it by any other name. 



what is it supposedly used for?  without a picture, it is hard to

visualize, how broad is broad, what shape is the flower, how many

petals, etc.  please be more specific, also, what neck of the woods is

the herb farm in, is it a native plant to your area.  

Thanks,

hawkscry

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From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:46:02 -0400

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Perhaps  it is Avens?  



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Marijuana

From: nature@edge.net (Karen Shelton)

Date: Tue, 28 Apr 1998 22:05:32 -0500

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/



Interesting show I saw tonight on PBS, check out the site and form your own

opinions.

Longer sentences for possession than for murder? Do we really want the

government telling us what plants can't be used? Seemed a bit outrageous to

me..and our taxes are paying for it.



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] coneflower

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 00:06:17 -0400

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on the subject of easy growers, purple coneflower is a lot

>easier than I ever thought, and apparently hard to kill. My gardener friend

says

>it blooms from seed in 4 months.

-------------------------------

My experience with purple coneflower aka Echinacea is that it does not bloom

till the 2nd year......... If it is planted from seed in the Spring it will

not bloom till  Summer of the following year.

donna

in da mtns



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From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:00:45 EDT

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For some reason mine bloomed from seed the first year. I planted the seed into

eggcartons about Feb/March and then transplanted outside around the end of

May.Just lucky I guess?! When my flower heads go to seed I also scatter the

seed around to encourage neww seedlings in the spring.

    Take care, Marianne

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Subject: [HERBINFO] On the subject of mint

From: "Lori Herron" <lori@groupus.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:18:26 -0400

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Hi, all,



About two weeks ago, I was at my dad's and got some mint from his garden to

grow in mine.  Some of the plants I pulled up by the roots, others I just

clipped.  I was going to put them all in water, but a friend suggested I

plant the rooted ones in pots.  Well, needless to say, the clippings that I

placed in water are doing fine and have developed a nice root system,

whereas the ones I uprooted and replanted all died.  I don't know why.



My question is this - it's about time to plant the sprigs that have rooted

in water, and I don't want them dying also.  Is there some trick to get

these to grow in a pot?  I would just have dug a little hole and put them

right in there, but with the other sprigs dying, now I'm not sure.  Every

other time I've grown mint in the past, I've done that, and it's grown like

the weed it is.  Would the soil make a big difference?  Or, was it the

uprooting that killed the other sprigs?



Thanks!



Lori



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From: Magda2 <Magda2@aol.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 07:21:59 EDT

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Found this in an old gardening tip book I have by Sharon Graham:



    chopped spearmint                

       "         parsley                Mix with soaked and drained bulgur

wheat

       "         cucumber            Add both lemon juice and olive oil to

taste

       "         Green onions

       "         Tomatoes

                                                 Happy Minting! <3 Marianne

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From: Bill Davis <alphaman@multiverse.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 10:40:21 -0700

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Magda2 wrote:

> 

> Found this in an old gardening tip book I have by Sharon Graham:

> 

>     chopped spearmint

>        "         parsley                Mix with soaked and drained bulgur

> wheat

>        "         cucumber            Add both lemon juice and olive oil to

> taste

>        "         Green onions

>        "         Tomatoes

>                                                  Happy Minting! <3 Marianne

> _____________________________________________________________



Sounds like an Arab dish called Taboule. Use lots of parsley. At least 

the same volume as bulgar wheat. The Arabs use mint in lots of dishes.



Dr. Bill

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Calling all MINT Recipes ASAP 

From: jodi yeager <mamajo@netexp.net>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 06:30:02 -0700

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HERBALS wrote:

> 

> Hello Everyone....Do me a favor, would you please?  I am working on a 



Dear Tamara:



I really don't have a recipe but...  I like to sprinkle mint on my pork

roast before slow cooking.



Peace,

Jodi

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From: Carla James <carjam@bulloch.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 15:13:35 -0400

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I would like to make an herbal/alternative first aid kit for my

home....adults and pets, no kids (yet). Not only do I have concern for the

upcoming Y2K crisis, but also we live in the hurricane & tornado prone

region of SE Georgia. Can you please recommend some first aid essentials

for my kit?



Thanks, Carla.



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From: Madelyn Powell <powellm@arches.uga.edu>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:04:58 -0400 (EDT)

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well, i grow my own firstaid, mostly, but always keep a few storebought

things around,

you can get good cotton bandages, hydrogen peroxide, alchohol (lots),

vitaming e, multivites, chewable c... tape, scissors, distilled water,

common sense stuff, and it all keeps very well.

from my garden...

almost everything.

every herb i dry, or make a tincture of... 

lots of vinegars, and oils,

dried veggies... and fruits, and nuts...

cuz you ain't gonna feel too good if you don't eat!

don't know, havent' thought much about what i do keep on hand...

it's a good topic..

any other ideas?

Madelyn Powell

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Subject: [HERBINFO] first aid

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:50:06 -0400

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>I would like to make an herbal/alternative first aid kit for my

home....adults and pets, no kids (yet). Not only do I have concern for the

upcoming Y2K crisis, but also we live in the hurricane & tornado prone

region of SE Georgia. Can you please recommend some first aid essentials

for my kit?<



Carla, you are right !  Everyone should make one.  I have one for my house.

 I have a big one for my car for vacations ( it is in a tool box ) and I

have one in a soft bag that I carry with me everywhere.  All of them get

used.  I suggest you have lavender oil, a multi-purpose salve, rescue

remedy, St. John's wort oil,  homeopathic arnica, some formulas for cold

and flu symptoms ( I use my own and Chinese patent formulas ), cayenne

pepper ( antiseptic, styptic/stops bleeding, stimulant, equalizes

circulation ), cough drops, and

a nervine formula for sleep for a start.  Then add your bandaids, including

butterfly bandaids; all sizes, a pair of tweezers and scissors, cotton

balls, gauze, tape, mole skin ( for blisters on feet ),  betonite clay (

great for bee stings ) and maybe alittle fennel seed for digestion, and

alcohol wipes.  I like having goldenseal echinacea caps on hand too.  Once

you start it - it just keeps growing.  My traveling kit has survival things

in it because we travel a lot and camp.  So I have a candle and fishing

line and a hand warmer thing and a portable light ( snap it and it lights

up ) and a space blanket, matches, lighter, rubber bands, safety pins,

pen&paper, Q-tips, dental floss and some rope and a pocket knife with can

opener etc., and plastic gloves.  Always keep your directions for CPR with

your first aid kit.  I used to teach it, but you never know if someone else

will need it so they can save your life.  I also keep a list of everything

in the kit and what it is for.  That helps those that did not put the kit

together.

Sorry I kept going on ( and this is half of what I have in my traveling kit

)!

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

in sunny Northern California

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From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:23:24 -0400

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> but also we live in the hurricane & tornado prone

> region of SE Georgia. Can you please recommend some first aid essentials

> for my kit?



Batteries, candles, lamp oil, blankets, chlorox for the water (I hate

the stuff, but it will kill almost anything -bacterial- just a 1%

solution)



Herbals...

nettle as a steptic.

comfrey as a soother (I'll send my wound wash recipe if you'd like)

white willow bark (headaches)

barley (if anyone gets ill, barley water is an excellent source of

nutrition without being too heavy)



more later, when I'm awake.  :)

hawkcsry



the irreverent,

MAGuild

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http://www.angelfire.com/biz/woodwitch

*all standard disclaimers apply



May all who love us, love us.

May all those who do not love us,

May God turn their hearts.  

And if he cannot turn their hearts,

May He turn their ankles,

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Subject: [HERBINFO] re Jewelweed soap

From: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 14:32:43 -0500

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Karen wrote:

<<<I suppose this mixture could be dabbed on poison ivy directly, but I 

prefer

using it with soap for better texture. I can't remember exactly how I made

the soap, but it involved grated bars of ivory, oatmeal, some other herbs,

(mountain mint was one, I hoped it would add insecticide properties). Think

I also added some citric acid to help as a preservative. Since that is

basically just vitamin C, it seemed like a good choice. Well, I will try to

measure things this summer to pass on the recipe.>>>



since you are using organics in your soaps, try using benzoin as a 

preservative--you can get this thru mail order--Bear American Marketing 

carries it, i believe, among others.  you can also use vitamin E (d-alpha) 

as a preservative--i get mine at walmart.



<<<It worked for us and another family I gave some to, hope it works for 

you as

well. I was rather surprised to hear that it did not work when processed

after using successfully for the last two years!>>>



if by processed you mean cold-processed soap, that is probably the reason.  

The lye most likely altered the herbal properties.  with cold-processed 

soap it is best to add any herbs at the very end, after the soap has 

"traced" and before it is poured into the mold.  at this point most of the 

lye has combined with the fats and has been converted to soap, although it 

is still somewhat caustic until the soap has a chance to cure.



Thanks for your posts on herbs BTW--great info!



Laurie

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Subject: [HERBINFO] Rosemary question

From: JJCA95A@prodigy.com ( DALE   NEIL)

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:20:00, -0500

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 Hi all,

I get the digest but thought I would try my hand at posting a message 

to see if I can get some help figuring something out.

I've been wanting to get a hardy strain of Rosmary lately and was 

considering ordering "Arp" . I did find one called "Salem" locally 

and it was labeled as being hardier than the species but didn't say 

just how much hardier. Does anyone know about this cultivar and how 

it might compare to "Arp"  which I have read is hardy to -15 degress 

which just might make it in a protected place in Zone 5 (esp if we 

get as mild as winters as this last one) . 

Thanks for your help.



Dale Neil

Zone 5 Rock Island, Ill

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From: JJCA95A@prodigy.com ( DALE   NEIL)

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:20:00, -0500

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 Hi all,

I get the digest but thought I would try my hand at posting a message 

to see if I can get some help figuring something out.

I've been wanting to get a hardy strain of Rosmary lately and was 

considering ordering "Arp" . I did find one called "Salem" locally 

and it was labeled as being hardier than the species but didn't say 

just how much hardier. Does anyone know about this cultivar and how 

it might compare to "Arp"  which I have read is hardy to -15 degress 

which just might make it in a protected place in Zone 5 (esp if we 

get as mild as winters as this last one) . 

Thanks for your help.



Dale Neil

Zone 5 Rock Island, Ill

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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Rosemary question

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:26:09 -0400

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I have never heard of Arp... variety with a -15 rating.  But I was told that

I could not grow rosemary (period!) in the mountains where I live

 ( zone 6, feels like 5 sometimes) because it being a Mediterranean plant,

it just would not survive the winter.

Too bad, as I miss the easily available Rosemary that was planted everywhere

in California...even as  neglected landscape shrubs in difficult places it

survived !

Donna

in da mtns





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Rosemary question

From: Ivyvine058 <Ivyvine058@aol.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 15:00:30 EDT

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In a message dated 98-04-29 23:22:17 EDT, JJCA95A@prodigy.com writes:



<<  "Arp"  which I have read is hardy to -15 degress 

 which just might make it in a protected place in Zone 5 (esp if we 

 get as mild as winters as this last one) . >>



Dale,



I live in zone 6 my rosemary is considered an annual herb. If I cut it back

and mulch it in real good, it will survive most winters here. Zone 5 min.

temp. range is -20 to -10 degree's F. "Arp" should survive your winters. Sorry

but I have no hands on experience with the types you speak of.



Take care,

denise

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Subject: [HERBINFO] re glycerine soap

From: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 15:54:44 -0500

--------

Doris wrote:

<<<Do you mean I can make soaps without having to go through all that 

stuff with the lye?  When I first heard people talking about making soap, 

I thought, that sounds fun and would be nice.  Then they started talking 

about boiling lye and I changed my mind.



This sounds doable (not dangerous) and fun.



I'd really like to hear from someone with more specific details.  Like, 

I've never done anything like this before.>>>



Hi Doris,

what Karen is doing (grating ivory and adding herbs, oatmeal, etc.) is 

called rebatching.  there is a book by Norma Coney called The Complete 

Soapmaker (no commercial interest) that has very good instructions--your 

library may have a copy--also you might try searching the net using 

*rebatching* as a keyword.  i've never tried rebatching myself--i do know 

that after it's grated, you have to melt it in a double boiler.  you then 

add water (i would use distilled) and whatever other ingredients (herbs, 

fragrance, etc.).  according to most people i've talked to who have tried 

it, it often ends up kind of lumpy and hard to deal with.  however, it is 

really the best way to get herbs into the longer-lasting cold-process soap 

without destroying a lot of the properties of the herbs and other 

additives.



what Ela is talking about is generally called melt and pour (M&P for 

short).  it is extremely easy--you can melt it in a double boiler on top of 

the stove, or in the microwave (don't let it boil, tho).  then you can add 

whatever you want to it and pour into molds.  it hardens again as it cools 

and, voila! you have soap!  you can get very creative with this stuff, and 

a lot of people enjoy fooling around with it.  it is not as long-lasting as 

cold-process soap, but you get immediate gratification with it. :)



oh, BTW--when using lye to make soap it isn't boiled.  you just add lye to 

water, the mixture heats up, it then gets added to the warm oils.  it's not 

nearly as scary as it sounds, you just have to show a little respect for 

it. :-)



Laurie

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Subject: [HERBINFO] re glycerine soap

From: Sue Gage <suesherbals@compuserve.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 01:49:56 -0400

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>oh, BTW--when using lye to make soap it isn't boiled.  you just add lye to



water, the mixture heats up, it then gets added to the warm oils.  it's not



nearly as scary as it sounds, you just have to show a little respect for 

it.  Laurie  :-)

<

Hi Laurie and all you wonderful creative people,

I mix the lye in a mason jar outside ( turn you head away and don't breathe

fumes that are set off for about 1 min. ) with rubber gloves and a spatula

for a couple minutes and then wait until the temperature of the lye and the

oil are the same ( abt. 97 degrees ).  Always pour your dry lye into the

measured water and when mixing the lye mixture  and oil (fat) always pour

the lye mixture into the oil (fat) mixture.  These are important to follow!

It really is not hard or scarey to do after the first time you try.  

I just recently bought The Complete Soapmaker by Norma Coney, but the one

that really tells about the glycerine based soap making is Soothing Soaps

by Sandy Maine. 

It is all a journey!  Enjoy!   

Love, Light, and Healing Energy,   Sue

Sue's Herbals

in sunny Northern California

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Subject: [HERBINFO] re Marijuana

From: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 98 16:14:51 -0500

--------

<<<http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/dope/



Interesting show I saw tonight on PBS, check out the site and form your own

opinions.

Longer sentences for possession than for murder? Do we really want the

government telling us what plants can't be used? Seemed a bit outrageous to

me..and our taxes are paying for it.



Karen Shelton>>>



hi karen,

saw the show last night.  as usual, frontline did a quality presentation on 

a controversial subject.



i personally have never been able to see the logic of lumping marijuana in 

with the "harder" drugs like cocaine and heroine, and therefore feel that 

similar mandatory sentencing for marijuana offenses is nuts.  i would much 

rather see the money spent on pot search-and-seizures go toward stopping 

the flow and use of coke, crack, heroin and whatever synthetics are being 

made out there (if that's even possible--not too sure at this point).  

while i don't like the idea of young kids using marijuana, i can think of 

worse things they could experiment with.  as for adult use, i think it 

should be legal to grow it--in my mind it is an herb, and will always be an 

herb. 



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Subject: [HERBINFO] Melt and pour soaps

From: Ellen~ <wings@voicenet.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:13:36 -0400

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Ela wrote:

>Hi, Ellen!  Well, calling my soapcasting a "recipe" would be kind of

>overstating the case.  All I really do is melt down the soap base, add my

>herbs, pour it into molds, and let it harden back up again.  You can buy

>soap base by Surry Corp. at Wal-Mart, Hobby Lobby, or Michael's .. or

>order a different type of soap base (works the same way, though ...) from

>www.greencottage.com or www.tkbtrading.com.

>

>As for stevia .... it's antibacterial and works GREAT against acne and

>other skin conditions.  I love it!  Makes a wonderful soap.



Hi again, Ela!

   Thanks for the URLs, I've just been looking at them.   It sounds really

easy! But tell me, how much of the herb or oatmeal or honey do you add to a

batch?   I'm thinking of getting some of that soap base real soon!  I just

LOVE doing this sort of thing and making my own stuff.  And I didn't know

that about Stevia!  I'll have to try that as well.  This is too cool!

*smile*  Oh, and if we're getting too off-topic we can go to private

email... though I think there are others on the list who are interested.

   L&L!

     Ellen~



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Melt and pour soaps

From: Ela Heyn <ferret@panix.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 06:46:33 -0400 (EDT)

--------



I think you just sort of "find" the right amount of ingredients to add to

your base after awhile, Ellen!  I don't really measure anything.



Here's a bit of a guide, though: if I heat a chunk of soap base that's the

size of my open hand, I'll use a small handful of herb in it.  Of course,

this depends on the herb, too!  I use a LOT of stevia, but only a little

chamomile, because stevia is nice and soft, and chamomile can get a bit

scratchy.  Good luck, and have fun!  Oh, and make sure you use the HEAVIER

base (one that's meant to suspend herbs) for your herbal concoctions.  The

lighter base will allow all the herbs to sink to the bottom of the mold.



- Ela



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Subject: [HERBINFO] re: Jewelweed

From: Ellen~ <wings@voicenet.com>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 22:13:38 -0400

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Hawkscry wrote:

>> It seems to like ditches and damp shady places with a scattered >

sunlight.  I wish I could send you some.

>

>I found some, finally, and where else but at the Shop (landscape), yep,

>sure enough, so, any tips on transplanting, I have, but no too damp

>shady damp area where it can grow.  

>

HI Hawkscry!

   Did you have any luck transplanting the jewelweed?  I've never tried to

transplant any, but I imagine if you dig deep enough to be sure the roots

aren't too disturbed, and keep it moist while in transit (and try to plant

it as soon as you can) it should do all right.  Though it will wilt REALLY

fast if you pick it.  It does like a bit of shade though.  Good luck!

   B*B

     Ellen~



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Calling all MINT Recipes

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Wed, 29 Apr 1998 23:46:07 -0400

--------

Mint has been found to have properties beneficial for preventing Alzheimers

.  I have an old OG article that tells of the research and suggests that

essential oils are absorbed by the skin with greater effectiveness than

using the herb in other ways, and because of that, using mint soaps and

shampoos might be of tremendous  benefit.

Donna

in the mountains of western North Carolina





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Cleavers ID

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 00:07:04 -0400

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Thanks everyone for all the names and descriptions.  Now I have been able to

find it in some of my books.  And also I spotted a Galium........

growing in the border around my vegetable garden.  It is not very raspy to

the touch and has light green leaves.......so probably not Cleavers, but

maybe Woodruff.

I'll keep looking.

 donna in da mtns





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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Cleavers ID

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 07:43:31 -0400

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> so probably not Cleavers, but

> maybe Woodruff.



Sweet woodruff is tiny and  gentle compared to cleavers.  Cleavers have

a longer, skinnier leaf and a longer stem between whorls.  Woodruff also

has a wonderful fragrance, and thanks for reminding me, it is an

essential part of May Wine for May Day, off to find a nice bottle of

Reisling!



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Cleavers ID

From: "donnas" <donnas@yancey.main.nc.us>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:42:21 -0400

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>Sweet woodruff is tiny and  gentle compared to cleavers.  Cleavers have

>a longer, skinnier leaf and a longer stem between whorls

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I could smell no scent when pinching the leaves ( could be my nose)

and there  is about 2 inches or slightly less between whorls.

So would the consensus  be that this is woodruff?

Donna

in da mtns



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Cleavers ID

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 12:11:21 -0400

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> I could smell no scent when pinching the leaves ( could be my nose)

> and there  is about 2 inches or slightly less between whorls.

> So would the consensus  be that this is woodruff?



prally, it is a very slight scent, it will be blooming in a couple of

days (week) small white flower.  :-)



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Subject: [HERBINFO] re first aid

From: <lmorris@tcjc.cc.tx.us> "Laurie Morris"

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 98 9:44:43 -0500

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<<<<butterfly bandaids; all sizes, a pair of tweezers and scissors, cotton

balls, gauze, tape, mole skin ( for blisters on feet ),  betonite clay (

great for bee stings ) and maybe alittle fennel seed for digestion, and>>>



<<<up ) and a space blanket, matches, lighter, rubber bands, safety pins,

pen&paper, Q-tips, dental floss and some rope and a pocket knife with 

can>>>





great information, sue!  but what is mole skin and what is a space blanket? 

 also, could you share the names of some of the chinese patent formulas you 

use?



Laurie

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Subject: [HERBINFO] ragweed

From: Carla James <carjam@bulloch.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:09:57 -0400

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I thought this may be helfpful to somebody...I got it from a newsletter and

can not verify this information based on my own knowledge or experience.





* Ragweed Allergy: If you are allergic to ragweed, avoid eating cantaloupe,

watermelon, honeydew, zucchini and cucumbers. They have VERY similar

allergy-producing proteins that ragweed has, so stay away from them!



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Subject: Re: [HERBINFO] Moths

From: Hawk`scry <woodwitch@sprintmail.com>

Date: Thu, 30 Apr 1998 11:52:27 -0400

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> <<What is santolina, and where can I find it?>>

> 

> Santolina chamaecyparissus - a herb with a yellow button shaped flower. 



Sometimes called grey santolina, or cotton lavender.  Can be used in the

same way as lavender for satchets and pomanders as well.  Pretty

feathery folliage.



hawkscry

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