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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: apothocary list

From: Susan Dowe <sdoweluv@EZNET.NET>

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:50:10 -0500

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Went to the site and all you have to put is subscribe



Susan



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From: Mara Jade <akalo@UIT.NET>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: apothocary list

Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 10:35 AM







  just letting those of you who are interested,  if you want to join the

apotocary list meantioned earlier,  you should send an email to

apothecary-Request@wildroots.com



and since it is majordomo and not listserv,   in the body of the message

type-----"subscribe your email addy here"



example     subscribe akalo@uit.net





just helpin.



Mara Jade







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: apothocary list

From: Mara Jade <akalo@UIT.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:35:15 -0600

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  just letting those of you who are interested,  if you want to join the apotocary list meantioned earlier,  you should send an email to  

apothecary-Request@wildroots.com 



and since it is majordomo and not listserv,   in the body of the message  type-----"subscribe your email addy here"



example     subscribe akalo@uit.net      





just helpin.



Mara Jade







 

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cholesterol & Weight/Baby Question

From: Susan Chick <smc@WT.NET>

Date: Wed, 14 Jan 1998 23:03:09 -0600

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Hi!  I'm new to the list and new to the world of herbs and alternative

medicine in general.  I recently had a fasting blood test done.  My blood

work is out of whack (globulins?) because I am overweight.  In addition to

lifestyle change, is there anything else I can do to help get my body back

in shape?



Also, I have dangerously high cholesterol.  I've read that garlic, vit c,

and soluable fiber help lower cholesterol.  Is there anything else?



I also have a 9 1/2 mo old son.  He's been suffering from diahhrea since

Saturday.  It has improved some, but the dr. doesn't want to do anything to

help him, besides diet.  He says his body is healing itself.  Does anyone

know of anything to help him?  I am scared to just try things on a baby,

but I feel he needs some intervention.



Thank you,

Susan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cholesterol & Weight/Baby Question

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:16:38 -0900

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At 11:03 PM 1/14/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Hi!  I'm new to the list and new to the world of herbs and alternative

>medicine in general.  I recently had a fasting blood test done.  My blood

>work is out of whack (globulins?) because I am overweight.



Check your blood sugar.  Pick up the book Entering the Zone. There's some

good discussion there.



 In addition to

>lifestyle change, is there anything else I can do to help get my body back

>in shape?

>

>Also, I have dangerously high cholesterol.  I've read that garlic, vit c,

>and soluable fiber help lower cholesterol.  Is there anything else?



See above.



>

>I also have a 9 1/2 mo old son.  He's been suffering from diahhrea since

>Saturday.

You can safely give him some slippery elm.  If you can find Thayer's

Slippery Elm lozenges, kids generally like those.  Or just put about a tsp

of slippery elm in a cup of COLD water and give him Teaspoon doses as

needed.  It usually only takes one or two doses to quell the diarrhea.

Give him a dose after each bowel movement.  Give him some Chamomile tea to

soothe his system.  Avoid cows milk products for at least a couple days.

You can make a gruel of slippery elm using hot water for really tough cases.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cholesterol

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:07:54 +0000

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Pysllium Seed and Cholesterol:  If you take this herb, be sure to

drink a lot of water.  Drinking this seed works if you can get the

slimy gooey stuff down past your tongue and throat.  For lowering

cholseterol, garlic works well also.  Avoiding caffeine is another

suggestion.  When you mix the psyllium seeds in water act quickly to

drink it as it becomes very gelatinous quickly and becomes more and

more so over time.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ephedra and Ma Huang

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 20:29:33 -0500

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The native American Ephedera is not threatende by the FDA.  It is the

Chinese Ephedra, ma huang, which is threatened because it has been abused

as a herbal "upper".  Unfortunately the ephederine, which is present in

this species, is necessary to some asthmatics and there are no direct

substitutes.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FDA and Chinese patents

From: C Adgate <cadgate@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:25:06 -0500

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Ok, but WHY did the FDA pull these itmes - what is the other side of the

story - were they being misused?  Did someone have bad outcomes?  This is

what gets alternative health community in trouble - indicating ancedetoal

information and not real data.  Don't take me wrong - I am a believer and

user of herbs.  But I think we owe it to others to be able to document why

things work.



>

>The FDA is so arbitrary and capricious about what it regulates.  They

>have siezed shipments of reishi mushrooms and are responsible for many

>Chinese patents having misleading ingredient lists so that they can get

>through customs.  It really makes things worse.  When my children were

>young, one got into some of my Chinese medicine and I was very lucky that

>my accupuncturist had contacts who could tell what was really in it.

>(Poison Control, in a city with an Asian population of close to a

>million, had NO idea what one should do with potential overdoses of

>Chinese medicine.- It wasn't even in their database .)

>

>Karen Vaughan

>C

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:16:18 -0600

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On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Robin Desmond wrote:



> In a message dated 1/31/98 9:26:29 AM, you wrote:

>

> <<and use

> coffee enemas. Anything else?

>

> THANX

> Zehra>>

>

> Why in the world would you use coffee for an enema??  I'm confused.

> Robin

>

Coffee taken that way acts totally differently from when it is drunk. It

stimilates the liver to release bile and toxins.





M.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 06:36:25 +0000

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coffee enemas are part of the Gershenson Theraphy (sp?).  I knww a

woman with Liver Cancer that followed this regieme as well as used a

lot of fresh juices, that regained her health.  The coffee enema

cleans out the lower bowel. They have a clinic in Mexico, and I heard

recently that they have opened a clinic in the States.  You may want

to do a web search.



I personally would take a TCM approach rather than the Gershenson

approach.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: st <jtst@BSL1.BSLNET.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:15:43 -0700

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On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, caryn wrote:



> coffee enemas are part of the Gershenson Theraphy (sp?).  I knww a

> woman with Liver Cancer that followed this regieme as well as used a

> lot of fresh juices, that regained her health.  The coffee enema

> cleans out the lower bowel. They have a clinic in Mexico, and I heard

> recently that they have opened a clinic in the States.  You may want

> to do a web search.



Yes, my herbalist friend (in CA) has befriended the owner of the Gershenson

Therapies.  One clinic has opened in Sedona, AZ, near where I live.  Using

this formula, many patients have been cured of cancer and other dreaded

diseases.



Since I'm healthy now, I believe that taking these precautions certainly

wouldn't hurt -- kinda like having proper maintenance on a car.



Stay well,



Zehra







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:13:28 -0600

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On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, caryn wrote:



> coffee enemas are part of the Gershenson Theraphy (sp?).





Gerson-Max Gerson.





  I knww a

> woman with Liver Cancer that followed this regieme as well as used a

> lot of fresh juices, that regained her health.  The coffee enema

> cleans out the lower bowel. They have a clinic in Mexico, and I heard

> recently that they have opened a clinic in the States.  You may want

> to do a web search.





They have opened a clinic in Phoenix. My mother went to their Mexico

clinic. The coffee ememas are primarily used for the detoxification of

the liver. Coffee stimulates it to throw off toxins.



> > I personally would

take a TCM approach rather than the Gershenson > approach.

>



The Gerson therapy is a very wholistic program which supports liver

detoxification and rebuilding through oxidizing enzymes and liver injections.









M.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:55:02 -0900

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At 06:36 AM 2/1/98 +0000, you wrote:

>coffee enemas are part of the Gershenson Theraphy (sp?).  I knww a

>woman with Liver Cancer that followed this regieme as well as used a

>lot of fresh juices, that regained her health.  The coffee enema

>cleans out the lower bowel. They have a clinic in Mexico, and I heard

>recently that they have opened a clinic in the States.  You may want

>to do a web search.

>

>I personally would take a TCM approach rather than the Gershenson

>approach.

>

>

In the Gerson approach, the coffee enema is believed to stimulate the

liver, which it probably does.  They also say the caffeine doesn't affect

you when used this way.  I find that hard to believe.  I would concur with

your conclusions.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:14:23 -0800

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At 06:55 PM 2/2/98 -0900, Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

 wrote:

>At 06:36 AM 2/1/98 +0000, you wrote:

>>coffee enemas are part of the Gershenson Theraphy (sp?).  I knww a

>>woman with Liver Cancer that followed this regieme as well as used a

>>lot of fresh juices, that regained her health.  The coffee enema

>>cleans out the lower bowel. They have a clinic in Mexico, and I heard

>>recently that they have opened a clinic in the States.  You may want

>>to do a web search.

>>

>>I personally would take a TCM approach rather than the Gershenson

>>approach.

>>

>>

>In the Gerson approach, the coffee enema is believed to stimulate the

>liver, which it probably does.  They also say the caffeine doesn't affect

>you when used this way.  I find that hard to believe.  I would concur with

>your conclusions.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



But of course your intestines would absorb the caffeine into your blood

stream.  While the Gershenson approach may stimulate your liver to produce

bile, you are still going to be affected by the caffeine.  There are many

ways to stimulate bile production without using  excessive caffeine.  Milk

Thistle would be one of my choices.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: Robin Desmond <Light2U@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:10:30 EST

--------

In a message dated 2/1/98 6:40:34 AM, you wrote:



<<coffee enemas are part of the Gershenson Theraphy (sp?).  I knww a

woman with Liver Cancer that followed this regieme as well as used a

lot of fresh juices, that regained her health.  The coffee enema

cleans out the lower bowel. They have a clinic in Mexico, and I heard

recently that they have opened a clinic in the States.  You may want

to do a web search.



I personally would take a TCM approach rather than the Gershenson

approach.>>



I feel that if a coffee enema works for some people....more power to them.

Personally, I would prefer to use something like Sage tea, or White Oak Bark

tea for an enema.  Or even plain spring water.  In addition to this I would

use an herbal laxitive.  I am just having a hard time comprehending how

putting caffine into the bowels can be healthy.

Robin







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 09:27:56 +0000

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The coffee draws out toxins in a way other herbs don't.  Try reaching

Gershenson's clinic in Sedona for info and could you share what you

find out?



thanks



c







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:26:26 -0500

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At 10:28 AM -0700 1/31/98, st wrote:

>On Sat, 31 Jan 1998, Peter Byram wrote:

>

>>

>> Simply put, fibroids are the body's response to an overloaded liver and

>> kidney, but primarily the liver.  As it was noted in what I had read, and

>> confirmed both by treatment and by Rosemary Gladstar,  the body, when the

>> liver is loaded with toxins that it cannot flush, creates an "alternative"

>> liver in which to store new toxins and stuff that the liver cannot process.

>> In women, this takes the form of fibroids in some instances (but not in

>>all).

>

>Can anyone recommend a good liver and kidney detox?  I have homemade yarrow

>tincture and other dried home-grown herbs.  I work out at the gym daily,

>drink lots of herb teas, am vegetarian, avoid junk, take vitamins and use

>coffee enemas. Anything else?

>

>THANX

>Zehra



Milk thistle is a good liver detoxifier. - Anita







--



paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: "Herban' Spice" <herbanspice@IDYLLWILD.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 01:17:57 -0800

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Anita, I agree



"One of the active components of milk thistle seed is silymarin, a

flavonoid recognized for its ability to benifit people with liver

disorders...  A double blind, prospective, randomized study performed on

170 patients with cirrhosis of the liver supported the fact that silymarin

protects the liver...  Another sutdy found that Milk Thistle may offer us

some protection against the toxic side-effects of acetaminophen."

(Reference:Herbs that Heal, Michael Weiner pg 234)



Silver Sage

herbanspice@idyllwild.com



Dances with Herbs - Organic & wild harvested herbs

http://www.herbanspice.com



Silver Sage: The Outrageous Herb Lady - Questions about herbs?

http:/www.geocities.com/HotSprings/8300



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> From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

>

> Milk thistle is a good liver detoxifier. - Anita

>

paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

From: st <jtst@BSL1.BSLNET.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 13:47:04 -0700

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On Fri, 6 Feb 1998, Mike Vancha wrote:





> > >Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

> > But of course your intestines would absorb the caffeine into your blood

> > stream.  While the Gershenson approach may stimulate your liver to produce

> > bile, you are still going to be affected by the caffeine.  There are many

> > ways to stimulate bile production without using  excessive caffeine.  Milk

> > Thistle would be one of my choices.

>

> You aren't affected by the caffeine in a stimulating way. For any who

> have tried it, it does not stimulate but only detoxifies the bowel and liver.

>

> M.



Yes, I agree with Mike.  I always get jittery if I drink only a half-cup

of coffee.  I have no symptoms at all from the coffee enemas.  If it will

keep me healthy, I'll keep on using it.



Zehra







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Book

From: John <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:22:30 -0600

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Has anyone read the book The Practical Handbook of Plant Alchemy : An

Herbalist's Guide to Preparing Medicinal Essences, Tinctures, and Elixirs by

Manfred M. Junius I am thinking about ordering it but know nothing about it.

If so I would like to have some input.

John  jfoster@ebicom.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Book

From: Bob Lang <Rowanduck@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:36:20 EST

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I ordered the book (Practical Handbook of Plant Alchemy) several years ago.

When I ordered the book, it was with the intent of reading it from the point

of view of Alchemy. At that time I did read parts of the book and indeed it

did cast some light on alchemy. The methodology of extracting the "active

principle" from plants, and the combinations of those active principles to

create various Elixers dates to prehistory and was developed as a body of

knowledge during the Medieval period. To my mind the book would make for

interesting reading, but is more in tune with the Hermetic tradition and

secondarily a book used in the extraction of various concentrates from plants.

This statement, though, comes from the prospective of a traditional chemist

and healer who has only performed 3 actual plant extraction experiments.



Bob Lang

Omaha, NE







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids?

From: John <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:52:54 -0600

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I would look at Dr. Christopher's Bolus. I think it is called his vaginal

Bolus. It contains squaw vine, chickweed, slippery elm bark, comfrey root,

yellow dock root, golden seal root, mullien, marshmallow root

John  jfoster@ebicom.net

-----Original Message-----

From: Robin Desmond <Light2U@AOL.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 9:54 PM

Subject: Fibroids?





>Someone sent in a post asking if anyone knew of any herbs which could help

>shrink ovarian fibroids.  I would like to know about this also.  (Have not

>seen any replies yet.)

>Robin

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids?

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 06:29:46 +0000

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peter: it was good to read your input and see you back on this list.

Having had personal experiences with fibroids I can only pray that

those now suffering with this malady follow your advice, get with the

Liver restoration needed (the organ is amazing in its restorative

powers) and avoid surgery if at all possible.



Michio Kushi and other macrobiotics have some interesting dietary

suggestions.  It is not a convienient diet and takes soem definite

planning.  For those of you that have resistance to change around

these diet changes, don't go cold turkey, just start by eatin lots of

whole grains, especially brown rice.  What happens is that you will

get full on good food and have less and less room for the junk that

you crave. Cravings will eventually go away.  Let the process unfold

rather than become an imposition.



Your improved mood and feelings of well being will emerge quickly

which can be a very positive reinforcement.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 18:53:10 -0900

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>Michio Kushi and other macrobiotics have some interesting dietary

>suggestions.  It is not a convienient diet and takes soem definite

>planning.  For those of you that have resistance to change around

>these diet changes, don't go cold turkey, just start by eatin lots of

>whole grains, especially brown rice.  What happens is that you will

>get full on good food and have less and less room for the junk that

>you crave. Cravings will eventually go away.  Let the process unfold

>rather than become an imposition.

>

>Your improved mood and feelings of well being will emerge quickly

>which can be a very positive reinforcement.

>

>

Be careful to whom you recommend this diet.  There are those of us who, if

we eat volumes of carbohydrates as you suggest, will not only gain weight

but become MORE hungry and make cravings worse.  In a worst case scenario,

long term eating of large quantities of carbohydrates will lead to

diabetes.  If a person has a family history of blood sugar ailments, do NOT

recommend this type of diet.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids?

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:30:51 +0000

--------

re carbohydrates, weight gain and diabetes and Anita's comment:



Most Macrobiotic diets include rice beans (legumes) limited animal

protein from fish and lots of leafty green and root vegies.   There

are diabetics using a higher fiber/complex carb diets that have

reduced their insulin intake.  My cousin is one of these people.  AS

with any change, going slowly and not drastically will give one body

messages to deal with changes and creating balances.



Ideally, having a health practioner, naturopath, machrobiotic

counselor acupuncturist etc.  advisor is the best.



I am borderline hypoglycemic and find brown rice a very stabilizing

component of my diet.  I combine it with legumes or seeds and nuts and

when I eat this way find myself getting full quickly. The simple

carbohydrates such as white rice, bread, pasta and and other processed

foods make me ravenous as you have noted.



As with all diets, finding one's balance takes some time and effort.

Native Eskimos exist on fat and protein with very little from the

vegetable kingdom.  Culture, genes and individual idiosyncrasies will

always create different approaches.



And thanks for pointing out possible problems that could confront

someone with blood sugar imbalances and challenges.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids?

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:29:26 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-01-31 01:37:54 EST, you write:



> I have a question though...what is chelation

>  therapy?  Is there no other way to eliminate metals from the system?  I'm

> not

>  so sure my medical plan would cover such a therapy anyway - they would

>  probably only pay for surgery, but I would have to check.  (As far as my

> liver

>  being overloaded, that could certainly be true.  Several years ago I had an

>  accident which resulted in my liver being torn, and I believe there is some

>  scarring.)



Robin,

Chelation involves the introduction of certain specific minerals into the

system which will bond to the toxins and metals you have in there already and

carry them out through the normal processes.  Your MD should be able to get

you a test - (if he doesn't get back to me off list) and it should be covered

by insurance - it may take a call or two to the insurance company but when you

are looking at the difference between invasive surgery which all told could

run the insurance company a couple of thousand dollars or more and a test and

chelation therapy regimen which shouldn't cost much more than three hundred or

so dollars, the savings are to their benefit - they do need to be told of this

though.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids?

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 02:40:17 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-01-31 09:50:26 EST, you write:



> As the original poster of the fibroid question, I would also like to

>  thank you for your response. Are you familiar with Rosemary Gladstar's

>  herbal program for fibroids? It appears in "Herbal Healing for Women."



Jodi,



Yes, we are friends of Rosemary's and very very familiar with both her book

and her regimen.  I have still found that without knowing what is really going

on in the background ( your body) all of the great herbal remedies in the

world will only do what conventional medicine does,  put a band aid on the

problem.  As you note, you have been taking chinese herbs for some time and

there is a "little" progress.  If you got the poison out of your system and

THEN went onto either the Chinese or Rosemary's regimen, the progress would be

much better and the effort worth it in the long run since the things wouldn't

come back



>  I've been taking Chinese herbs given to me by my acupuncturist for 5

>  months. There has been some shrinkage, but I want to switch over to

>  Western herbs. I also became a vegan at the same time.

>

>  On the subject of getting your hair analyzed. Where do you do that?



Your physician can have one done if he is of a mind to, or a good ND in the

area,  or --as I said to someone else, post me privately if they won't and I

will try to see what can be done to get one for you.



>  Also, the chelation therapy sounds like you would have to be able to

>  convalesce. Not an easy thing to do.



I gave an extreme case because I have seen it happen more often than not - but

some folks breeze through it  - forewarned is forearmed - - It is worth all of

the stuff that you go through just to have a clean system.  You do owe it to

yourself.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids?

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 03:13:11 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-01-31 13:38:27 EST, you write:



> Still....I am a single parent, solely

>  responsible for my child, home, and animals.  I don't have the luxury of

> time

>  to convalesce!

>  Robin



Robin,

 If you read the balance of what I have writtten today, just be careful - and

know that what may happen may happen so that it doesn't freak you out when it

does to some degree.  find someone that specializes in chelation and ask for

references to check out - talk to patients if possible - and ask the plant

spirits to help you - they will!

peter







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids?

From: Christine Wade <CWade99365@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 10:39:48 EST

--------

There is an herb called Red Root thats known to help shrink fibroids.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: brigham Tea

From: John <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Sat, 31 Jan 1998 22:54:23 -0600

--------

No, Mormon tea, Brigham tea are the same, It is in the same family but has

no ephedra. It was planted over here by the chinese when working on the

railroads.

John  jfoster@ebicom.net

-----Original Message-----

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Friday, January 30, 1998 9:52 PM

Subject: brigham Tea





>All right, you know it alls :-) is Brigham Tea, Morman Tea and ephedra all

>the same? I can't find a botanical name for Brigham tea.

>margo

>margo@gemstate.net

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: brigham Tea

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 20:32:46 EST

--------

My sources suggest there are many ephedra species ..some contain ephedrine,

such as Ephedra sinica or Ma-huang, and apparently some do not. What is the

Latin name for Brigham or Mormon Tea and can anyone provide a reference for a

lack of ephedrine in that species?



EPHEDRA

Synonyms

  Ma-huang.



Ephedra consists of the dried young stems of Ephedra sinica Stapf, E.

equisetina Bunge and E. gerardiana Wall (including E. nebrodensis Tineo) (Fam.

Ephedraceae).

The plants are perennial herbs, the first two species being indigenous to

China, whilst the last is indigenous to India. Ephedra contains the alkaloids

1- ephedrine, d-Y- ephedrine together with smaller quantities of l-N-methyl-

ephedrine, d-N-methyl-ephedrine, d-N-methyl-Y-ephedrine, nor-d -Y- ephedrine,

1-nor-ephedrine and benzylmethylamine. Ephedra contains not less than 1.25% of

total alkaloids calculated as ephedrine.

B.P.C. (1954), p. 273.

Martindale 27th Edn., p. 10.



Is Ma-huang a completely different species than Brigham Tea? Is so, what is

the active constituent in the latter if not ephedrine?



Also, recent posts suggest that the FDA is entirely political and without

merit in its agenda to take ephedra preparations off the market. Yet, there

have been over 800 case reports of adverse events, including 17 deaths,

associated with the herb in the United States.  I'd like to know more about

the facts in this matter if anyone knows them ...without getting into the

"politics" or "psychology" or "perceived motives" of the FDA. I may have asked

for something too difficult to separate out, but I'd like to see us try.



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





<<

 No, Mormon tea, Brigham tea are the same, It is in the same family but has

 no ephedra. It was planted over here by the chinese when working on the

 railroads.

 John  jfoster@ebicom.net



 >All right, you know it alls :-) is Brigham Tea, Morman Tea and ephedra all

 >the same? I can't find a botanical name for Brigham tea.

 >margo

 >margo@gemstate.net

 > >>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: brigham Tea

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:41:29 +0000

--------

Herbal complications with Ma Huang have occurred with teenagers taking

Ma Huang in excess to get high.



The intended use of Ma Huang for Brochiol dilation and to deal with

Asthma has been in the Chinese Pharmacopea for thousands of years.



There are people making Herbal Higs, such as Chi Power and others that

have used Ma Huang.  Too much can cause heart complications, just like

speed, crank or cocaine.



The new rules that are proposed by the FDS are setting the milligrams

per dose at 10.  Above that amount will not be allowed.



Margot Hemingways death may have been a complication of taking too

much Ma Huang in her Bronchial Asthma over the counter medicine.



And there are others.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: brigham Tea

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:09:40 -0700

--------

just a reminder that Ma Huang is NOT the same plant as Brigham Tea!!

margo

----------

> Herbal complications with Ma Huang have occurred with teenagers taking

> Ma Huang in excess to get high.

>

> The intended use of Ma Huang for Brochiol dilation and to deal with

> Asthma has been in the Chinese Pharmacopea for thousands of years.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chinese Organ Systems

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 06:11:44 +0000

--------

The following is taken from Christopher Hobbs "Foundation of Healht"

The Liver and Digestive Herbs, Botanical Press B0x 742 Capitola, CA.

(nci)  forward by Bernard Jensen.



In case the way your program scrambles the presentation, the format

will be Organ System, Element, Diagnosis Part,  Affected parts,

climate, taste, emotion.



Stomach/   earth   flesh  mouth     moisture   sweet   self pity

spleen             lips





lungs/    metal   nasal   skin/     dryness   acrid    grief,despair

colon                     cavities  body

                          hair



Kidney/   water   ears    bones,    coldness  salty   fear,anxiety

bladder                   head,

                                                                                                                                                                                                  hair,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                brain







Liver/                    wood    eyes   tendons,  wind                         sour     anger

Gallbladder                                                                                                                     nails

                                                                                                                                                                                                                ligaments





Heart/                           fire                           tongue  vascular  heat      bitter   excitement,

pericardium/                                                                                                                            system                       fright

small Intestine            complexion





In his book, as with Chinese Medicine, the Liver was the seat of

emotion, not the heart.   For those of you who have observed a calm

rational person become a raving rageaholic that may fight, hurt

innocents and "loose it" with a few drinks, may see the relationship.

The emotional reactions may be much milder and overtime very

debilitating.





He then goes on to discuss specific Therapeutic classifications of

Liver dis-ease



Therapeutic     Western Symptoms     Principle         Correlation

Syndrome





Stagnant or     depression,anger     dredge liver,     congested liver

constrained     anger, frustration   promote bile      blood flow,

liver chi       lumps in neck or     flow              constrained

                breast, poor

                digestion





Deficient        dizziness           tonify, the yin      deficient in

yin/uprising     blurry vision       pacify the liver,    enzymes and

liver yang       or night blind-     subdue the yang      other sub-

                 ness, flushed                            stances be-

                 face                                     sides blood

                                                          energy





blazing          hypertension,        clear liver,        excess symp-

liver fire       migraine             purge fire          pathetic

                                                          nervous stim

                                                          ulation,

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                liver over-

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                worked



liver blood      weakness of         tonify blood         liver blood

deficiency       tendons or          nuture liver         supply con

poor blood       ligaments, poor                          strained,

storage          digestion                                anemia, pro-

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                  tein defi

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                ciency



liver wind       body rigidity       pacify liver         bile block

moving           extreme             extinguish           age, nerve

                                                                                                                                        dizziness,          wind                 disorders,

                                                                                                                                        servere pain                             tension in

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                muscles



He then discusses diet, herbs, supplements



I will outline his Liver Decongestant Tea



Dandelion root one part

Mugwort 1/4 part

Fennel 1/2 part

Burdock root  1 part

Ginger  1/2 pat

Milk Thistle extract (equivalent of one capsule)



mix one ounce of the herbs with 5 pints of water, simmer for 20

minutes, remove from heat. and let stand of 10 minutes before bottling

or drinking



1/4 to 1/2 of warm tea 3 times per day.  store in refrigerator. ALWAYS

WARM THE TEA BEFORE DRINKING.



This book has a lot of great info



In the Herbal section there is a detailed list of the following herbs,

Angelica, Artichoke, Barberry, Blessed Thistle, Bupleurum, Burdock,

Cascara sagrada, Fringe Tree, Chicory, Citrus, Cyperus, Dan shen,

Dandelion, Fruit, unripe, Gentian, Ginger, Golden Seal, Milk Thistle,

Mugwort, Red Root, Schiandra and Tumeric.



One discussion in this book regards Vegetarians over long periods of

time, who may become weak and deficient and develop conditions such as

chronic fatigue syndrom, immune weakness.  He experienced weak knees

and lower back, tiredness and feelings of spaciness.  He resolved his

problem (after a lot of soul searching)  by eating fish a few times a

week.



Some Vegetarians do not experience these problems and those that do

may want to experiment with medicinal does of animal protein to see if

improvement can result.



High on his list of dietary suggestions are cole vegies and green

leafy vegies such as bok choy, chard, dandlion greens, mustard greens,

parsley, mallow, yellow dock, sheep sorrel, plantain, sow thistle,

nettle, chicory.



Basic dietary suggestions include:  small amounts of protein 25 to 60

grams a day (there are 454 grams in a pound) , eat sulfur containing

foods which are potent enzyme builders (cabbage, brussel sprouts,

brocooli, nuts, seeds., avoid saturated fats and use unsaturated fats

stored in the refrigerator to avoid oxidation,  vitamins C, E, A,

minerals zinc and selenium, amino acids methionine, glutathione,

cysteine and antioxidants such as catechin, quercetin, rutin,

kaempferol, luteolin. ( since this book many more anitioxidants have

been discovered),  Refined sugar will reduce enzyme activity (eat

whole grains, maple sugar, fruits, barley malt, and rice sugar,

Phosphtidyl choline, a constiuent of lecithim which is found in

soybean products and egg yolks.



The book is rich in information and ideas on how to maintain our

livers health.



I notice that when I follow these prescriptions I feel inner calm and

joy and when I stray, depression, a quick reactive temper and aniety

can creep into my everyday experience. Brown rice and vegies usually

bring me back to balance quickly.



wishing you all good health,



caryn







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fibroids? AND CHELATION, METALS

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 03:08:56 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-01-31 12:26:38 EST, you write:



>  I don't mean to scare anyone. I just want to people to have

>  information. It is difficult to find a lot of info on natural ways to treat

>  metals, as they are more stubborn than your regular toxins. I also am not

>  trying to downplay chelation, just pointing out that it needs to be done

>  right, in fact the guy at poison control happpened to know a lot about

>  chelation and said most of my symptoms matched the incorrect results of

>  chelation therapy,



THANK YOU, Thank you, Thank you!!!  for that wonderful informative post

whoever you are S@live foods.com  it sometimes helps to make the message ring

a bit clearer when it is confirmed in such succinct terms.



I have recieved a number of off list posts on the subject both today and in

the past and always caution to make sure the practitioner KNOWS what they are

doing when it comes to chelation.  It is a scary prospect to look at in

considering options, but the difference in your life with and without metals

in your system is night and day -- and could well be life and death -

eventually.  If anyone thinks that they have a problem - check it out - and

then buy books or go on an internet hunt for some answers -- the real key to

healing yourself is knowledge - there are NO stupid questions in this area -

only silly people that feel uncomfortable asking the questions that need

asking  -  read read read read and then read some more - get the best advice

you can from the best people that you can    and then read some more - then

act with caution but ACT.   If you have something that conventional medicine

can't quite put their finger on - consider the possiblity that they don't have

all the answers and take matters into your own hands - a hair test or 24 hour

provocative urine analysis (the other way to test for metals) is less than 100

dollars -

My feeling is that my life and well being is worth at least that  - Others

must ask themselves the same question -  and if through following the process

through all the way to the end you wind up losing the "chronic" ailment that

has haunted you for the past umpteen years, everyone around you will be better

off for it.

Green Blessings and good luck

peter







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: NPR

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:05:59 +0000

--------

In my area we just had a show on Herbalism and the protection of herbs

in the wild.



Finally!!!







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ALLERGIES

From: RGreene <Rgreene@FCCJMAIL.FCCJ.CC.FL.US>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:28:58 -0500

--------

Does anyone know of any natural remedies to reduce the effects of pollen

in the spring?







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:18:17 -0500

--------

At 11:28 AM -0500 2/1/98, RGreene wrote:

>Does anyone know of any natural remedies to reduce the effects of pollen

>in the spring?



Yes:  Quercetin-bromelain, and nettles help a lot of people.  To that you

can add the nasal

drug "Nasalcrom" which acts to block the mast cells (nasal receptors).  All

of these things should be started several weeks before pollen season.

-Anita





--



paf@connix.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:24:06 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-01 11:24:32 EST, you write:



> Does anyone know of any natural remedies to reduce the effects of pollen

>  in the spring?

>

Dear ??



You might try Ragweed.  I know this sounds like absolute stupidity verging on

a DUHHHH ?  but for those not truly allergic to ragweed, it is a godsend.  To

find out if you are allergic If you can find it, please try a drop or two

(ONLY) of ragweed tincture on your tongue. if you start to get hives or

swelling or prickley feelings  - put the stuff away and look for something

else.  If you don't - try a couple more - and then a couple more till you have

either reached 20 drops or a very mild reaction.   Most folks will reach the

20 drop point and have no reaction.  for those with a mild reaction, try 2 or

3 drops less than gave you the reaction a couple of times a day nand after a

week try it three times a day.  For no reaction do 20 drops 3 times a day.



Now, for those tincturing the stuff.  DO NOT - repeat - do not - tincture this

plant while it is in bloom with any chance of the plant pollen getting into

the tincture.  Almost EVERYBODY will be allergic to the pollen and it can

cause some rather serious side effects.  This is why we try the one drop --two

drop routine.  No need to die trying to get better.  There are other things

that also help, but this is what I have personally found to be the best.

peter







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:54:02 -0500

--------

Peter-



What part of the ragweed do you tincture and when?  And are you talking

about giant ragweed or the regular variety?



Karen Vaughan, surrounded by the stuff

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:24:06 EST Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM> writes:



>Now, for those tincturing the stuff.  DO NOT - repeat - do not -

>tincture this

>plant while it is in bloom with any chance of the plant pollen getting

>into the tincture.

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: kssea <kssea@GOLDENGATE.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:55:58 -0600

--------

>>Does anyone know of any natural remedies to reduce the effects of pollen

>>in the spring?

>

>Yes:  Quercetin-bromelain, and nettles help a lot of people.  To that you

>can add the nasal

>drug "Nasalcrom" which acts to block the mast cells (nasal receptors).  All

>of these things should be started several weeks before pollen season.

>-Anita





Is Nasalcrom (nci) similar to OTC sprays like Afrin (nci)?  If so, those

types of nasal sprays are HIGHLY ADDICTIVE and will do more harm than good.

It's great at first but then you need more and more to do any good and

pretty soon you can't live without it.  The stuff that's not addictive is

prescription stuff such as Vancanese (nci).  Of course, it's still an

allopathic remedy.  Saline sprays help take the edge off and are

nonaddictive.   As someone who has battled allergies to everything all her

life, I thought I'd get my two cents worth in here.  Hope this helps.



Kristin

kssea@goldengate.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:11:36 -0500

--------

Nasalcrom is nonaddictive.- Anita



At 5:55 PM -0600 2/1/98, kssea wrote:

>>>Does anyone know of any natural remedies to reduce the effects of pollen

>>>in the spring?

>>

>>Yes:  Quercetin-bromelain, and nettles help a lot of people.  To that you

>>can add the nasal

>>drug "Nasalcrom" which acts to block the mast cells (nasal receptors).  All

>>of these things should be started several weeks before pollen season.

>>-Anita

>

>

>Is Nasalcrom (nci) similar to OTC sprays like Afrin (nci)?  If so, those

>types of nasal sprays are HIGHLY ADDICTIVE and will do more harm than good.

>It's great at first but then you need more and more to do any good and

>pretty soon you can't live without it.  The stuff that's not addictive is

>prescription stuff such as Vancanese (nci).  Of course, it's still an

>allopathic remedy.  Saline sprays help take the edge off and are

>nonaddictive.   As someone who has battled allergies to everything all her

>life, I thought I'd get my two cents worth in here.  Hope this helps.

>

>Kristin

>kssea@goldengate.net







--



paf@connix.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 22:57:29 -0500

--------

Peter Byram writes, in response to a question about



natural remedies to reduce the effects of pollen-





>You might try Ragweed

<snip>

>Now, for those tincturing the stuff.  DO NOT - repeat - do >not - tincture

this plant while it is in bloom with any chance >of the plant pollen getting

into the tincture.



and I ask-

Well then, when should it be tinctured, and what parts of the plant should

be used in the tincture?  I am curious...



Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: "Toni M. Starling" <Tmstar626@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:51:59 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-01 21:59:15 EST, you write:



<< >Is Nasalcrom (nci) similar to OTC sprays like Afrin (nci)?  If so, those

 >types of nasal sprays are HIGHLY ADDICTIVE and will do more harm than good

>>

Nasalcrom unlike the other OTC's is not addictive as it has no antihistimine

or antiinflammatory properties. It instead prevents the body from reacting to

the pollens.It has to be started prior to the actual exposure to the allergens







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:15:39 -0600

--------

On Sun, 1 Feb 1998, RGreene wrote:



> Does anyone know of any natural remedies to reduce the effects of pollen

> in the spring?

>

Like almost everything, the key lies in cleaning out the colon and in

building up the immune system.





M







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:31:04 -0500

--------

Ambrosia artemisiifolia is ragweed.

Ambrosia trifida is giant ragweed.

These are common weeds in the Northeast.

There are other species of ambrosia, some medicinal, some culinary.  Jim

Dukes' ethnobotanical database lists at least 10 species of Ambrosia.

Joanie



>> You might try Ragweed.



>Do you know the botanical name for this please?  Can't >find it in any

books here.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:59:22 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-02 00:16:26 EST, you write:



> What part of the ragweed do you tincture and when?  And are you talking

>  about giant ragweed or the regular variety?



Karen,



The regular one that grows about 2--3 feet tall and "blooms" in late summer to

early fall up here in the Northeast.  I make a practice of picking after it

has started to form buds, but before it opens and the pollen is apt to

contaminate the balance of the plant.  After I signed off last evening, it

occured to me that I should have rightfully given credit where credit was due

regarding this "cure"  There is a wonderful herbalist named Seven Song from

New York state, I believe (but not sure) that gave this hint to me a couple of

years ago and absolutely swore by it.  I tried it on myself who always had

(past tense) a problem in the spring and a mild one in the fall.  Much to my

amazement it worked and now I pass on the wisdom.

peter







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:57:09 -0500

--------

7 Song is a very good herbalist and I use a number of his preparations.

I wonder if  a variation of this will work on my mother's Russian thistle

allergy?  I'm trying her on the flower essence first, but a

substance-based cure might work better.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:59:22 EST Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM> writes:

>In a message dated 98-02-02 00:16:26 EST, you write:



> After I signed off last  evening, it

>occured to me that I should have rightfully given credit where credit

was due

>regarding this "cure"  There is a wonderful herbalist named Seven Song

from

>New York state, I believe (but not sure) that gave this hint to me a

couple of

>years ago and absolutely swore by it.  I tried it on myself who always

had

>(past tense) a problem in the spring and a mild one in the fall.  Much

to my

>amazement it worked and now I pass on the wisdom.

>peter

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:30:11 -0500

--------

peter- I couldn't get into it tonight for some reason, but there are

extensive notes from a couple of 7 Song's classes at

http://www.frontierherb.com/herbfest/97/notes/



enjoy-

Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com



--  There is a wonderful herbalist named Seven Song from

>New York state, I believe (but not sure) that gave this hint to me a couple

of

>years ago and absolutely swore by it.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ALLERGIES

From: Alan Willoughby <awilloby@ENTERNET.CO.NZ>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 17:10:19 +0000

--------

>

Dear Peter



You write:



> You might try Ragweed.



Do you know the botanical name for this please?  Can't find it in any

books here.



Thanks



Alan







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for Menopause

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:39:04 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-01 11:35:58 EST, you write:



<< Does anyone know therapeutic dosages for herbal estrogen therapy.  I see

 doctors for all my physical problems but they have not helped me find

 solutions.  I feel, within my body, that my I am entering menopause and

 many of my other problems are related to that.  I need my energy back!

 My drs are giving me pills for sleep disorders, fibromyalgia,

 depression, etc and most of the symptons started peri-menopausal.  Any

 recommendations?  Elaine



  >>



I ADD;



Dear Elaine -



You should get a catalogue put out by "Transitions for Health".  It is a

female-owned company  and extremely informative.  Their products (no

commercial interest) are superior and the only ones I suggest women use in the

store.  They also put out a monthly newsletter that can answer your questions.

They can be reached at:



1-800-888-6814 and they are up and running 24 hours a day.  If you are not

getting answers from your practitioner you should discuss your concerns with

him/her and/or change.  There are plenty of professionals out there now who do

care about giving their patients quality care.  Seeing a naturopath would lead

you to more natural solutions.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for Menopause

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:01:37 -0900

--------

At 04:12 AM 1/31/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Does anyone know therapeutic dosages for herbal estrogen therapy.



1. Understand that there is no herbal source of human estrogen. There are

substances that are similar but there is NO plant that has human hormones.



 I see

>doctors for all my physical problems but they have not helped me find

>solutions.  I feel, within my body, that my I am entering menopause and

>many of my other problems are related to that.  I need my energy back!

>My drs are giving me pills for sleep disorders, fibromyalgia,

>depression, etc and most of the symptons started peri-menopausal.  Any

>recommendations?  Elaine

>

>

2. Change your diet first.  Quit eating too much sugar and sweets.  Balance

your intake of protein and light carbohydrates AND monounsaturated fats in

every meal.  Don't skip meals. Exercise daily.



3. Start with a course of Vitex agnus-castus daily to balance the hormones.

 You really should have a proper workup and diagnosis before embarking on

test drives of herbal remedies.  A bad prescription can make it worse.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs for Menopause

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:18:13 -0500

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Hormones do not decline overall in menopause, contrary to popular

opinion.  The estrogen "spike" disappears, but overall levels are high.

(The common test for estrogen actually measures FSH which in a

premenopausal woman is high when estrogen is low.  Estrogen is not low in

a menopausal woman when FSH is high, which is the basis for the

misunderstanding.) There are over 100 different receptor sites for

estrogen but only a dozen or so estrogens have even been named, so

science actually knows little about the biochemistry.  Specific estrogens

like estriol may decline (and probably in a protective manner since they

can increase suceptibility to cancer.)  The only study ever done on a

healthy menopausal woman where blood was drawn every day showed that

although hormone levels fluctuated wildly from day to day, in an

irregular manner, levels tended to be higher than premenopausally.



During the period of extreme fluctuation- menopause- progesterone may be

useful.  Susan Love has recently revised her "No hormones" advice to

"sometimes, for a short period."  It should not be considered a lifelong

necessity.  Our bodies were designed to age in a specific manner and

still remain vital.  There is no evidence that women who survive infancy

or accidents actually live longer today, although "average" lifespan may

show increases. (If two women are born and one dies in infany while the

other lives to 100, the average lifespan is 50- and infant mortality has

declined dramatically.)



Hot flashes may be better controlled by eating legumes and chickweed,

drinking infusions of red clover and taking herbal vitex.  Osteoporosis

may be better prevented by exercise, drinking oatstraw and silica (1 oz

herb/quart water infused overnight) or herbal vinegars (and possibly

organic dairy) as well as not over-consuming protein and making certain

that magnesium levels are high if protein levels are up.  Wild yam cream

vaginally applied is great for lubrication, with or without progesterone.





VItex agnus-castii is a berry that is used as a hormonal regulator.  It

is known as "chaste tree" or "monk's pepper" because it purportedly

decreases libidio in men, although it may do the opposite in women.  It

is useful for moderating the symptoms of menopause although it should be

taken for at least 3 months, as should most herbal tonics.  Susun Weed's

book, Menopausal Years the Wise Woman way, has an extensive write-up.

Vitex enhances progesterone, leutenizing hormone and leteotropic hormone,

while inhibiting FSH and prolactin.  It increases dopamine.  Because it

lacks phytosterols, it is not fast acting, but it will reduce hot flashes

and dizziness, reduce fibroids and endometriosis, eliminate spotting,

flooding and irregular cycles, calm you, relieve oedema, clear skin

problems, lessen breast tenderness and cysts, protect against

osteoporosis and protect against reproductive cancers.  It also helps

reduce vaginal dryness.



Dosage averages 20 drops tincture twice daily or 3 capsuls freshly

powdered berries daily.  IT tastes reasonably good.  The Chinese use

vitex rotundifolia or V. trifolia (Man Jing Zi) similarly.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 04:12:07 -0500 izzie <izzie@CVN.NET> writes:

>Does anyone know therapeutic dosages for herbal estrogen therapy.  I

>see

>doctors for all my physical problems but they have not helped me find

>solutions.  I feel, within my body, that my I am entering menopause

>and

>many of my other problems are related to that.  I need my energy back!

>My drs are giving me pills for sleep disorders, fibromyalgia,

>depression, etc and most of the symptons started peri-menopausal.  Any

>recommendations?  Elaine

>



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Subject: SJW Tea

From: "William J. Pizer" <Wjp1816@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:12:41 EST

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Caryn,



I have a Doctor (O.D.) who told me that the particular substance that

fights depression is not water soluable and therefore would not be

available in a tea.



He said that the substance (I don't remember what it was) is only

available when taken in capsul form.



Maybe a little more checking could save you some money as well

as frustration if you are not getting the results you want.



          Bill Pizer







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW Tea

From: Tsugu/karyn <tfkg@PACBELL.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:10:31 -0800

--------

William J. Pizer wrote:



> Caryn,

>

> I have a Doctor (O.D.) who told me that the particular substance that

> fights depression is not water soluable and therefore would not be

> available in a tea.



About the SJW tea, I am posting this at risk of saying something utterly

ignorant.  I didn't get too far in Chemistry, but according to what I

know, soluble substances divide into different substances when dissolved

in water.  (Ex: table salt, NaCl divides into these ions:  Na aka sodium,

and Cl, aka chlorine) Therefore, wouldn't the active ingredient be only

suspended in the liquid solution?  It simply may be separated from other

molecules because other aspects of the plant may well be soluble.  Does

this sound out there?  There have to be tons of herbs with active

compounds that aren't soluble and yet are effective as teas.   Anyway,

will someone please correct me (and tell me why) if this is wrong?

Thanks a lot

peace and good health to you

karyn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW Tea

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:56:24 -0500

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Not everything dissolves in water.  Some chemicals need alcohol, oil, or

heated menstrums to extract.  If you drink the water from SJW tea and eat

the herb, you will still have the constituents.  But if you drink the tea

water and some of the chemicals are still in the strained-out leaf, then

you won't get it at all.



To my knowledge, no studies have been performed on the effect of

hypericum teas.  10-20% of total hypericin (and an unknown amount of

other constituents) gets dissolved into tea at a temperature of 80

degrees Celsius.  Since the mean concentration of hypericin in aerial

parts is 0.1% and you only get 10-20% of that, you will need 10-20 grams

of fresh buds to get 2 mg of total hypericin.  This compares to 6 grams

of SJW buds in alcohol at the same temperature.



SJW has at least 11 known constituents and 25 known actions. So while

hypericin, which extracts best in hot laboratory alcohol,  may not be

significantly water soluble, there are probably other constituents within

SJW that are.  This means that SJW tea is not a direct substitute for SJW

tincture, but may have some value on its own.  I don't think you can use

it as a serious antidepressant unless you are drinking boatloads of the

stuff, but it may be valuable for other conditions or as a vulnurary.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:10:31 -0800 Tsugu/karyn <tfkg@PACBELL.NET> writes:

>William J. Pizer wrote:



>About the SJW tea, I am posting this at risk of saying something

>utterly

>ignorant.  I didn't get too far in Chemistry, but according to what I

>know, soluble substances divide into different substances when

>dissolved

>in water.  (Ex: table salt, NaCl divides into these ions:  Na aka

>sodium,

>and Cl, aka chlorine) Therefore, wouldn't the active ingredient be

>only

>suspended in the liquid solution?  It simply may be separated from

>other

>molecules because other aspects of the plant may well be soluble.

>Does

>this sound out there?  There have to be tons of herbs with active

>compounds that aren't soluble and yet are effective as teas.   Anyway,

>will someone please correct me (and tell me why) if this is wrong?

>Thanks a lot

>peace and good health to you

>karyn

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW Tea

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 14:08:27 +0000

--------

many years ago, a tea of St. Johns Wort was recommended for a vaginal

infection and it worked, so I question hearing that the properties of

this herb that heal are not water soluable.



And I am open to what other herbalists have to say. AS St. Johns Wort

has many healing constiuents, perhaps some are soluable and some are

not.



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW Tea

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:38:57 -0900

--------

At 02:08 PM 2/15/98 +0000, you wrote:

>many years ago, a tea of St. Johns Wort was recommended for a vaginal

>infection and it worked, so I question hearing that the properties of

>this herb that heal are not water soluable.

>

>And I am open to what other herbalists have to say. AS St. Johns Wort

>has many healing constiuents, perhaps some are soluable and some are

>not.

>

>caryn

>

>

Having used both tinctures and infusions of SJW, I'd say it IS water

soluable, at least major components.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW Tea

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 01:22:53 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-01 13:16:34 EST, you write:



> I have a Doctor (O.D.) who told me that the particular substance that

>  fights depression is not water soluable and therefore would not be

>  available in a tea.

>

>  He said that the substance (I don't remember what it was) is only

>  available when taken in capsul form.

>

>  Maybe a little more checking could save you some money as well

>  as frustration if you are not getting the results you want.

>

>            Bill Pizer



Bill,



Short note of the month -  find a new doctor - or one who understands the

weeds -- ask hime where he got that information!!  the hypericum in sjw does

come out in a tea along with the zillion other constituents taht make this

such a wonderful little gift.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW Tea

From: Alan Willoughby <awilloby@ENTERNET.CO.NZ>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 16:34:43 +0000

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Karyn



>From the chemistry I did many years ago, I suspect that active plant

substances would tend to be covalent rather than ionic - ionic

substances are the ones which 'break up' when they enter solution

(like in your example) while covalent stay more or less intact (e.g

sugar dissolving in water).  The covalent ones also usually dissolve

more readily in alcohol than water, hence the use of alcohol for

tinctures.



As for SJW, sorry, I can't help - I do not know anything about

hypericin, which I believe is the active ingredient.  However, it is

probably covalent and only sparingly soluble in water.  If you made a

tincture and added that to your tea, the alcohol would evaopate from

the heat leaving the hypericun behind - possibly???



Alan

> William J. Pizer wrote:

>

> > Caryn,

> >

> > I have a Doctor (O.D.) who told me that the particular substance that

> > fights depression is not water soluable and therefore would not be

> > available in a tea.

>

> About the SJW tea, I am posting this at risk of saying something utterly

> ignorant.  I didn't get too far in Chemistry, but according to what I

> know, soluble substances divide into different substances when dissolved

> in water.  (Ex: table salt, NaCl divides into these ions:  Na aka sodium,

> and Cl, aka chlorine) Therefore, wouldn't the active ingredient be only

> suspended in the liquid solution?  It simply may be separated from other

> molecules because other aspects of the plant may well be soluble.  Does

> this sound out there?  There have to be tons of herbs with active

> compounds that aren't soluble and yet are effective as teas.   Anyway,

> will someone please correct me (and tell me why) if this is wrong?

> Thanks a lot

> peace and good health to you

> karyn

>

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW

From: Karen Shelton <nature@EDGE.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:23:14 -0600

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My opinion is that extract beats capsules. When you make a fresh plant

tincture, you suspend its living properties in the liquid. Some capsules

have this extract added, others they just pulverize the whole plant and put

it in a pill. Hypericin is not the only active ingredient in SJW, there are

a number of flavanoids also.

If you just want the hypericin, what is natural about it? You can get all

kinds of prescription meds made from plant derived chemicals and would be

just as "natural".

        As far as tea goes, it must have some effect or would not have

gained such a folk remedy reputation as a calming agent.

For more St. Johnswort info and links, as well as other herbal stuff

see my site.

Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Herbal

www.altnature.com

Its just my humble opinion, use it at your own risk.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SJW

From: "K. M. Weeks" <kmweeks@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:47:53 EST

--------

I am sorry because I know this has probably been covered to death but I

lost my web access and cannot get into the archives.



Started onSJW (stress-induced depression and anxiety) and was not at all

sure what to start with (straight or a blend, tincture or capsule, etc.)

So I picked up a product called Phyto-Proz tincture by Gaia herbs (nci)

at the store because that was what the herbal pharmacist recommended and

I couldn't think straight.  Started it yesterday and I at least feel a

little calmer and had noticed a really subtle difference in my ability to

get out of bed this morning.



It contains - Kava Kava Root (anxiety), SJW flower buds, Passionflower

(sedative), Chinese Schizandra Berry (liver protection), Wild Oats

(anxiety), Calmus Root (tranquilizer), Siberian Ginseng (energy), Nettle

Seed, Prickly Ash Bark and Gotu Kola leaf and root (all for detox).  It

does not give percentages.  Recommended dosage is 30-50 drops up to 4

times a day.  (I did 3 doses yesterday).  I find that the horrible taste

is almost pleasant now which I hope means that it is going to help me.



Just curious if anyone has any input on this product or these ingredients

or if there is a better way to take SJW.



It was $12.50 (incl tx) for a 1 oz. bottle.



Thanks,

Kimberly



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Subject: Re: SJW

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:34:50 -0800

--------

At 01:47 PM 2/5/98 EST, you wrote:

>I am sorry because I know this has probably been covered to death but I

>lost my web access and cannot get into the archives.

>

>Started onSJW (stress-induced depression and anxiety) and was not at all

>sure what to start with (straight or a blend, tincture or capsule, etc.)

>So I picked up a product called Phyto-Proz tincture by Gaia herbs (nci)

>at the store because that was what the herbal pharmacist recommended and

>I couldn't think straight.  Started it yesterday and I at least feel a

>little calmer and had noticed a really subtle difference in my ability to

>get out of bed this morning.

>

>It contains - Kava Kava Root (anxiety), SJW flower buds, Passionflower

>(sedative), Chinese Schizandra Berry (liver protection), Wild Oats

>(anxiety), Calmus Root (tranquilizer), Siberian Ginseng (energy), Nettle

>Seed, Prickly Ash Bark and Gotu Kola leaf and root (all for detox).  It

>does not give percentages.  Recommended dosage is 30-50 drops up to 4

>times a day.  (I did 3 doses yesterday).  I find that the horrible taste

>is almost pleasant now which I hope means that it is going to help me.

>

>Just curious if anyone has any input on this product or these ingredients

>or if there is a better way to take SJW.

>

>It was $12.50 (incl tx) for a 1 oz. bottle.

>

>Thanks,

>Kimberly



This sounds like a pretty complete formulation to me.  Although I don't

have experience with Schizandra berry.  How long does the herbal pharmacist

recommend you take this?



I think it was Peter (?) who mentioned taking SJW infused oil internally.

I'd like to hear more on this.  I use the SJW infused oil topically a lot

and I think taking the infused oil might be better for some of us than the

capsules or tincture.  Peter (and others), could you comment further on

this, please?



Thanks.



Be well,

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SJW

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:10:53 -0600

--------

Hi Kimberly,

I once took Phytoproz.  It was helpful.

I took this after being on Prozac and Zoloft.  Read the literature that

comes

with the Phytoproz.  This was made for a very stressed out woman who had

a high

stress job, many responsibilities, and

many allergies.  I gradually eased into

SJW.  Now I make my own, but I do not

need it as much.  I am studying to be

a naturopath dr., step by step in a long

process.  Now I am doing what I love.  I

hope the rest follows.  I just think

I may have found what I need.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:51:11 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-05 16:21:31 EST, you write:



<<

 Hi Kimberly,

 I once took Phytoproz.  It was helpful.

 I took this after being on Prozac and Zoloft.  Read the literature that

 comes  with the Phytoproz.  This was made for a very stressed out woman who

had

 a high  stress job, many responsibilities, and  many allergies.  I gradually

eased into

 SJW.  Now I make my own, but I do not  need it as much.  I am studying to be

 a naturopath dr., step by step in a long  process.  Now I am doing what I

love.  I

 hope the rest follows.  I just think  I may have found what I need. >>



What is Phytoproz exactly?   -Elliot







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fibroids

From: John <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 12:58:11 -0600

--------

I have no problem with the chelation except for the ones that cannot afford

it.I would look at some herbs and other products that could help eliminate

the toxins. I agree with the liver flush, You could look at Apple pectin or

clay to help remove the metals if that is the case. I also think it is a

hormonal problem, that is why women after menopause seldom have the problem,

that could go back to the liver though. I posted a message on the list about

Dr. Christophers vaginal Bolus and I would seriously consider that. My 2

cents worth

John  jfoster@ebicom.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW and Depression

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 11:40:58 -0800

--------

At 03:26 PM 1/31/98 +0000, caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

 wrote:

>re Saint Johns Wort:  As there is such a huge demand for this herb now

>they are milling up the entire plant.  I have heard that the most

>active ingredient is in new leafs and flowers (someone correct me if I

>am off here)  The push to commecialize this herb is so strong that

>what they are capsuling may or may not be a good quality.

<snipped for brevity>

>wishing you peace,

>

>caryn





This is absolutely accurate, Caryn.  In my part of the world I've seen

whole fields harvested at the same time, including stems, leaf and flowers

way beyond their prime.  An ethical wildcrafter will hand harvest only

newly opened and opening buds or flower tops and leave the rest.  Hence,

your harvest continues over several weeks time to pick at the optimum time.

  And, you want to be careful to leave enough flower to reseed for another

year.  This, I suppose, does not sound practical for large manufacturing

efforts.  I recently approached a land owner to harvest an unused field

that had become overrun with SJW.  She had already contracted with someone

else.  When I returned to the area later, I saw the machines going up and

down the field, and she later told me that several of his machines had

broken down so he just left them there for her to deal with.  I don't know

where he sold his harvest, but I wouldn't trust the efficacy of the

finished product.  I'm sure it contained far more of the whole plant than

recommended by most herbalists.  I'd recommend the tincture made from fresh

(slightly dried) SJW over a completely dried encapsulated form.



Be well,

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Was Tannins- Headaches/ coffee: maybe off topic...

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:40:00 EST

--------

Hello all. This started as a response and question to the whole tannins

thread, but then I decided I better distinguish this as possibly off topic.

Here goes:



I was told by a health teacher that caffiene is not addictive. I had a hard

time believing this as I myself have endured the days of headaches often

associated with "coming down" from coffee. This teacher went so far as to say

there has been no proof that caffiene withdrawl causes headaches and any pain

is purely psychosomatic. Just to be sure we are all on the same page, the

definition he was using was: a physical disorder that is caused by or notably

influenced by the emotional state of the patient. With this definition in

mind, can this be true? I would love to hear what all of you think.



Thanks for your input,

Jessyka







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Was Tannins- Headaches/ coffee: maybe off topic...

From: Sam Sussman <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 16:32:44 -0500

--------

A strict definition would preclude its being called an addiction. It

certainly is habituating!!!Regards Sam











At 03:40 PM 2/1/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hello all. This started as a response and question to the whole tannins

>thread, but then I decided I better distinguish this as possibly off topic.

>Here goes:

>

>I was told by a health teacher that caffiene is not addictive. I had a hard

>time believing this as I myself have endured the days of headaches often

>associated with "coming down" from coffee. This teacher went so far as to say

>there has been no proof that caffiene withdrawl causes headaches and any pain

>is purely psychosomatic. Just to be sure we are all on the same page, the

>definition he was using was: a physical disorder that is caused by or notably

>influenced by the emotional state of the patient. With this definition in

>mind, can this be true? I would love to hear what all of you think.

>

>Thanks for your input,

>Jessyka

>

Dr. Sam Sussman, Ph.d.

Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, University of Western Ontario

Director, Archival Centre, London Psychiatric Hospital

North American Editor, Mentalities

personal web page: http://www.geocities.com/athens/9288/sam.html







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Was Tannins- Headaches/ coffee: maybe off topic...

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 13:40:04 -0800

--------

At 03:40 PM 2/1/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hello all. This started as a response and question to the whole tannins

>thread, but then I decided I better distinguish this as possibly off topic.

>Here goes:

>

>I was told by a health teacher that caffiene is not addictive. I had a hard

>time believing this as I myself have endured the days of headaches often

>associated with "coming down" from coffee. This teacher went so far as to say

>there has been no proof that caffiene withdrawl causes headaches and any pain

>is purely psychosomatic. Just to be sure we are all on the same page, the

>definition he was using was: a physical disorder that is caused by or notably

>influenced by the emotional state of the patient. With this definition in

>mind, can this be true? I would love to hear what all of you think.

>

>Thanks for your input,

>Jessyka





Not meaning to be argumentative, Jessyka, but Excedrine contains caffeine

and caffeine is often prescribed for headaches by doctors.  Your teacher is

wrong.  Caffeine constricts peripheral blood vessels and abstaining then

allows increased circulation, hence pressure and headaches.  It is not

psychosomatic and a very real physiological problem.



Be well,

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Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Was Tannins- Headaches/ coffee: maybe off topic...

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:16:11 -0500

--------

At 3:40 PM -0500 2/1/98, Jess P wrote:

>Hello all. This started as a response and question to the whole tannins

>thread, but then I decided I better distinguish this as possibly off topic.

>Here goes:

>

>I was told by a health teacher that caffiene is not addictive. I had a hard

>time believing this as I myself have endured the days of headaches often

>associated with "coming down" from coffee. This teacher went so far as to say

>there has been no proof that caffiene withdrawl causes headaches and any pain

>is purely psychosomatic. Just to be sure we are all on the same page, the

>definition he was using was: a physical disorder that is caused by or notably

>influenced by the emotional state of the patient. With this definition in

>mind, can this be true? I would love to hear what all of you think.

>

>Thanks for your input,

>Jessyka



My hubby had "Sunday headaches" for 30 years before we figured out it was

because of caffeine withdrawal; coffee is free and frequent at work during

the weekdays. -Anita





--



paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Was Tannins- Headaches/ coffee: maybe off topic...

From: Alex Wharton <awharton@CYBERNAUTICS.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 17:12:28 -0800

--------

Hi, I am new to this group and wanted to introduce myself.  My name is

Alexandra and I live in the Bay Area.  I also look back on junior high

school health class and laugh.  Between the teacher and my mother, it

wasn't until a  few years ago that I realized red meat and whole milk were

not part of a daily recommended diet!



Looking forward to talking with everyone



Alexandra

San Francisco



























At 07:05 PM 2/2/98 -0900, you wrote:

>At 03:40 PM 2/1/98 EST, you wrote:

>>Hello all. This started as a response and question to the whole tannins

>>thread, but then I decided I better distinguish this as possibly off topic.

>>Here goes:

>>

>>I was told by a health teacher that caffiene is not addictive.

>

>Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!

>I've never had such a good laugh.

>Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

>Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

>Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

>!!!!!Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha !!!!!

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Was Tannins- Headaches/ coffee: maybe off topic...

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:37:49 EST

--------

Hello.



When I posted the original question about caffiene I was hoping for answers

with more of a chemical, biological, "documented study" sort of theme. Maybe

I'm being too sensitive, but I'm a little hurt by some of the responses I've

read. The teacher in question is not a junior high teacher, he is a professor.

He also spent several years working with the CDC. I brought my question to the

group because I was looking for some answers... not pats on the head. I KNOW

that givinig up caffiene is painful... (I've been caffiene-free for about 7 or

8 months) I was wondering if anyone had any information that wasn't

testimonial in nature.



I would like to thank the one or two people who took my question seriously.

Your effort and knowledge is, as always, appreciated.



Jessyka







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:40:04 EST

--------

Rick,

I have weak wrists myself. For the initial swelling and pain try a comfrey

poultice. Put the poultice on a cloth and then wrap it around your wrist. I

secured it with a wrist brace. The brace also helped to mobilize my wrist

while I slept at night.



I hope this offers you some comfort,

Jessyka







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: Steven Yeager <steven@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 21:49:17 +0000

--------

Here's an old Howie Brounstein post from this list:







Date: Fri, 29 Nov 1996 01:49:31 -0800

From: Howie Brounstein <howieb@teleport.com>

Subject:Tendinitis

To: HERB@TREARNPC.EGE.EDU.TR



 you wrote:

>>My 20 year old son just called me and he has ulneritis (hope I am

>>spelling it right) with slight tendonitis in his right arm.  He is a

>>pitcher on his college baseball team and this problem is causing him

>>great pain, physically and mentally, because now he can't pitch and

>>is moving toward depression. He lives in Lake Worth, Florida and I

>>live in Tennessee....and it is really difficult to get a grasp of

>>his emotions etc. over the phone.

>>

>>The doctor has told him the ulner nerve is inflamed and the tendons

>>around the elbow are inflamed.



Anita says:

>Forget the steroids.



I agree with Anita ... steroids in my mind is always a last resort

tactic in life threatening situations. Steroids slow the healing

response ... which stops the inflammation and makes him feel better,

perhaps good enough to pitch again, and re-injure the arm. But then

who am I to second guess a doctor without more information.



If I am not missing some diagnostic puzzle pieces, and he has an

inflamed nerve and tendons, then I'd say this:



St John's Wort Oil (or fresh poultice for those with plenty of time in

the southern hemisphere) externally at least three time a day on the

injured area. Hypericum will help promote the healing, and especially

targets the nervous system. I use it for any nerve injuries. Comfrey

Oil (or fresh poultice for those with plenty of time in the southern

hemisphere) externally at least three time a day on the injured area.

Comfrey will help promote the healing, and has proven useful in my

experience for muscle and tendon problems as well as bones. I consider

it specific for any tendinitis/tenosynovitis problems.



Lobelia Oil, Lobelia Vinegar externally as a muscle relaxant as needed

for pain. Loosen these up and they'll be less stress on those tendons.

This system has a tendency to contract after injury, leading to more

pain, and a greater chance of re-injury. Lobelia is strong enough to

be effective externally.



Internal herbs might include a St John's Wort/Comfrey (gasp ..... )

mixture at four droppers 3x a day for the reasons mentioned above.

Comfrey can be a bag of worms, so I won't say much except use

Symphytum officinalis (the low alkaloid kind). We could debate this

forever, read the latest issue of the European Journal of Herbal

Medicine, and everything else. It's bad press around here now-a-days

to tell someone to take comfrey internally, so I won't. Make up your

own mind. If you have any problems with the idea of using it, don't

use it! Herbpharm produces an extract with the alkaloids removed. I

personally would use comfrey inside if I had this problem.



By the way, I disclaim any connection with Herbpharm .... oops, I do

have a connection, they are competitors! Oh well!



Other internal herbs :

Skullcap, Valerian, etc. as determined by constitution three to four

droppers as needed for pain. Those calming herbs will relax the

muscles, helping with the pain as mentioned before. Plus pain is one

third real pain, one third remembered pain (oh it hurt so bad when I

injured it), one third anticipated pain (oh if I move it, it will

hurt). The calming herbs will help him forget about the pain if he is

focused on it. Plus it may help with his head-space (that's his

emotions for those far away from my slang in the rainy cold christmas

tree forests of the Pacific Northwest.)



Willow, Oak, Poplar --- Those salicylate herbs are like aspirin for

pain management and control of inflammation. Band-aid herbs.





Other factors for healing include diet and stress. Reduce the stress

as much as possible. Do not take caffeine or other stimulants ....

coffee, tea, etc. You be surprised how many folks with slow healing

tendinitis drink coffee ... not realizing that after every cup their

tendonitis starts to ache.



Medical professionals usually immobilize the area for a while. But

after a time, then you need to use the arm again. When I had

tendinitis in my wrist, I was told to immobilize it. I put my arm in a

sling. After a few days it got worse, the pain spreading to my elbow,

eventually beginning to hurt in my shoulder. Freaking out, I went back

to the doctor, and he said it was all healed. The pain was from the

immobilization of the arm, just use it. I did and was healed. Some

people with long term tendinitis are at that stage and just need to

sensibly use the tendons and rebuild their strength. I doubt this will

apply to the recently injured pitcher, but it may apply to others. I

can't say when the time to start using an injured area is .... that

the doctor/naturopath/medical herbalist's job. I'm neither.



Well, that's all folks. We can go back to the off herb topics.

Heather, when I first started posting on international lists, I did

something very similar. I used a slang term that here refered to any

color of people who intentionally chose a specific lifestyle, yet in

another country well represented in our amazing mailing lists, it was

also a degrading racist word that refered to specific race of people.

Live and learn.......



Howie Brounstein

howieb@teleport.com

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html







Steve

steven@teleport.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: "Dresner, Richard R" <rrd91663@GLAXOWELLCOME.CO.UK>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:26:56 -0000

--------

Caryn wrote:



>It would be best to moxa the area, use

>healing linaments, comfrey compresses, ginger compresses and take the

>BF & C formula from Dr. Christopher (nci)



Caryn,



Thanks for the advice. Do you know the formulation of BF & C formula because

I live in the UK and it would be unlikely I would find it here.



        Rick Dresner

> rrd91663@GlaxoWellcome.co.uk







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:00:20 +0000

--------

re: BF & C formula adn Richard Dresner's request:



I have been unable to find this recipe of herbs.  You might want to

check out the Nature's Way website. (nci)



I have Herbally Yours by Penny C. Royal (Dr Christophers pen name

during the FDA witchunt days and I recently found his book on

Childhood Diseases at my local flea market.  Neither book list the

recipe. FYI, he was a very sickly child and in his teens found Herbal

medicine and reclaimed his health.



Please post on the herblist for all of us when this is ascertained.



thanks,



caryn







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Tendonitis

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@ERINET.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:28:53 -0800

--------

> Would you post the contents of this preparation? Thanks in advance. -Elliot





Sorry for the dalay, Elliot. These are the ingredients for Enzymatic's

Myo-tone, suggested for bone, tendon and ligament problems.



Vitamins D, E, B6, B1, B2, Niacin

Calcium, Magnesium, Choline, Inositol

Muscle extract, Betaine HCL, Ammonium chloride, RNA powder



Again, NCI....I work in a health food store and I've seen a lot of

people have success with this product. And with their money-back

guarantee, the customer has nothing to lose...just save the receipt and

empty bottle for a full refund.



Ilene







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Weak ankles

From: "Rachel E. Harris" <SlappyGrrl@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 15:55:17 EST

--------

A new friend of mine has weak ankles caused by playing a lot of sports.  Is

there anything I can do to help him out with this?  Thanks!



Rachel

  Slappygrrl@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Putting together the health puzzle

From: "Kimberly A. Bottemiller" <Kiannbo@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:15:38 EST

--------

Hi all,



So far, I have been sitting back and just listening with great interest.  I am

concerned about my health and the health of my family.  I have been suffering

with so many things that have been mentioned through this list, as has my

family.  I have family members with lupus and MS and we all seem to be

chronically depressed.



I have been getting bits and pieces of herbal remedies but have been unable to

put it together to make much sense and would like to know:



1.  Can someone recommend a good herbal remedy book?



2.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Putting together the health puzzle

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:34:27 -0800

--------

At 05:15 PM 2/1/98 EST, "Kimberly A. Bottemiller" <Kiannbo@AOL.COM>

 wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>So far, I have been sitting back and just listening with great interest.

I am

>concerned about my health and the health of my family.  I have been suffering

>with so many things that have been mentioned through this list, as has my

>family.  I have family members with lupus and MS and we all seem to be

>chronically depressed.

>

>I have been getting bits and pieces of herbal remedies but have been

unable to

>put it together to make much sense and would like to know:

>

>1.  Can someone recommend a good herbal remedy book?





I think a good book for beginners is Penelope Ody's The Complete Medicinal

Herbal.  There are many other good ones out there, and certainly a lot of

different approaches You might check some of the url's in peoples sigs here

to see what they might have on booklists.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Putting together the health puzzle

From: Bo <bodacia@TDL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:00:27 -0800

--------

At 09:51 AM 2/3/98 +0200, Kimberly A. Bottemiller wrote:



>1.  Can someone recommend a good herbal remedy book?



I second Marcia's suggestion of Penelope Ody's _The Complete Medicinal

Herbal_.  Also, you might want to check out are any books by Michael

Tierra; any books by David Hoffman; Susun Weed's "Wise Woman Herbal"

series; and the classic _A Modern Herbal_ by Mrs. M. Grieve.



>3.  What about good web sites on herbs, does anyone know of any web sites?



These are some good ones:



        Our "list mom" Henriette's page (http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/)



        Howie Brounstein's page (http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html)



        Herbal Hall (http://www.herb.com/herbal.htm)



>4.  Can anyone recommend a good diet regimen for health.  I mean I have

heard to eat this and not to eat that, i.e. how eating cold stuff effects

the liver, which is news to me.  Maybe someone can recommend a good book.

I get lost in the book store and overwhelmed.



Find yourself a copy of _Arisal of the Clear_ by Bob Flaws (Blue Poppy

Press).  It's a layman's guide to healthy eating from a TCM perspective,

and can easily be read in one sitting.







-Bo

-------------------------------------------------------------------

bodacia@tdl.com

http://www.tdl.com/~bodacia







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Putting together the health puzzle

From: Rosemary Anthony <a.rosemary@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:33:19 -0700

--------

Also good - "Prescription for Nutritional Healing" by Balch

---

a.rosemary@mailexcite.com



Email comments about herbs, nutrition or disease are not diagnostic. See your appropriate

medical professionals when needed.











>At 09:51 AM 2/3/98 +0200, Kimberly A. Bottemiller wrote:

>

>>1.  Can someone recommend a good herbal remedy book?

>

>I second Marcia's suggestion of Penelope Ody's _The Complete Medicinal

>Herbal_.  Also, you might want to check out are any books by Michael

>Tierra; any books by David Hoffman; Susun Weed's "Wise Woman Herbal"

>series; and the classic _A Modern Herbal_ by Mrs. M. Grieve.

>









Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!

http://www.mailexcite.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Putting together the health puzzle

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:18:03 +0000

--------

Some books I have found helpful:



Rosemary Gladstar,  Herbal Healing for Women

Foundations of Health, the Liver and Digestive Herbal, Christopher

Hobbs

The Male Herbal  James Green

Chinese Medicinal Herbs  Compiled by Li Shih-Chen, Georgetown Press ,

San Francisco

The Yoga of Herbs  David Frawley and Dr. Vasant Lad

Next Generation of Herbal Medicine, Daniel B. Mowrey

The Way of Herbs, Michail Tierra

Planetary Herbalism, Michael Tierra

Childhood Disease, Dr. John Christopher ( and other books by

Christopher or Penny C. Royal)

Kampo, Akira Tsumura, How the Japanese updated Tracditional Chinese

Medicine

Jude's Heral, Home Remedies  Jude C. Williams

The Herb Book, John Lust







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: puzzle cont'd

From: "Kimberly A. Bottemiller" <Kiannbo@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 17:22:27 EST

--------

I accidently pushed the send button before I was through with my email.



(cont'd)



2.  Can someone expand on detoxing the system of metals;  I wouldn't want to

use the wrong kind of coffee.  Ha.



3.  What about good web sites on herbs, does anyone know of any web sites?



and finally,



4.  Can anyone recommend a good diet regimen for health.  I mean I have heard

to eat this and not to eat that, i.e. how eating cold stuff effects the liver,

which is news to me.  Maybe someone can recommend a good book.  I get lost in

the book store and overwhelmed.



Thanks so much.



Kiannbo@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: Marge Brierly <Kalamarjie@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:00:07 EST

--------

Have read that in Europe valerian is used in treating addictions to certain

anti-anxiety and anti-depression medications such as benzodiazepenes - would

welcome any info or experience anyone may have had with this - am trying to

wean from this medication and can use any help there is.



Thanks

Marjie







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: Sam Sussman <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 19:40:08 -0500

--------

At 07:00 PM 2/1/98 EST, you wrote:

>Have read that in Europe valerian is used in treating addictions to certain

>anti-anxiety and anti-depression medications such as benzodiazepenes - would

>welcome any info or experience anyone may have had with this - am trying to

>wean from this medication and can use any help there is.

>

>Thanks

>Marjie

>My experience has been that Largactil or CPZ can help tremendously. Weaning

off benzos can be difficult. Speak to your MD about taking CPZ. Good Luck SS

Dr. Sam Sussman, Ph.d.

Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, University of Western Ontario

Director, Archival Centre, London Psychiatric Hospital

North American Editor, Mentalities

personal web page: http://www.geocities.com/athens/9288/sam.html







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 00:30:56 EST

--------

Sam Sussman, could you please be more specific on Largactil or CPZ. Are they

prescription drugs, or herbal remedys? Do they work on trying to wean off

Zanax also? thanks Debra.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: Sam Sussman <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 11:04:52 -0500

--------

At 12:30 AM 2/2/98 EST, you wrote:

>Sam Sussman, could you please be more specific on Largactil or CPZ. Are they

>prescription drugs, or herbal remedys? Do they work on trying to wean off

>Zanax also? thanks Debra.

>



Chlorapromazine -CPZ- is a prescription drug. Some of the SSRIs like Paxil

can wean off all drugs including Zanax. Hope this helps Sam

Dr. Sam Sussman, Ph.d.

Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, University of Western Ontario

Director, Archival Centre, London Psychiatric Hospital

North American Editor, Mentalities

personal web page: http://www.geocities.com/athens/9288/sam.html







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: larry Seguine <comet@ALASKA.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:03:53 -0900

--------

Hi Barb,



I was deleting a bunch of old email and found your note.  I'm sorry I

didn't get back to you to say 'thank you' for the information.



If my valerian survived another Alaska winter, I'm going to try digging

up some of the root this fall.  Also try to save some seed.



> Valerian will produce stolons in the fall.  If you harvest it at just

> the

> right time the stolons will be large and noticable.  Leave some of

> these in

> the ground and then the plant will be back next year.  The stolons

> start to

> shrink if the root remains intact in the ground by late fall.



I really appreciate the above info.  I hadn't been able to find any real

information on "how" to harvest the root in any of my herb books.



> <<Also, I was very pleasantly surprised (knowing what store-bought

> valerian capsules smell like!) to find the tiny little flowers smell

> absolutely wonderful!>>

>

> Saving some of the seed will offer you another way to replenish the

> fall dug

> plants.



Do the flowers or leaves have any medicinal properties?



Thanks again Barb,



Judy



>

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Valerian

From: Barbara Birkinbine <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 15:53:16 EST

--------

Judy,



I believe the root is the most desirable part.  By the  way, the stolons

appearing in the fall do not impact the medicinal value of the plant, they are

merely a means of propagation.  So, it is not necessary to dig them at this

peak time ( when stolons are the largest) unless you are trying to propagate-

the medicinal value remains the same.  Curious, huh?



In a message dated 98-02-03 04:34:28 EST, you write:



<<If my valerian survived another Alaska winter, I'm going to try digging

up some of the root this fall.  Also try to save some seed.



 Do the flowers or leaves have any medicinal properties?>>



 Thanks again Barb,



 Judy

  >>

You're welcome :)



Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

Grower of Medicinal Herbs

OakCamp@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ganglion Cyst

From: Susan <sgamutt@MODEX.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:47:10 -0500

--------

I have been following the discussion of ganglion cyst since my brother

has one.  Last week, I noticed that the size/power of the bromalain I

got for my dog is not the same as that that was for sale at my local

store.  This brings up my question.  What size/power do you recommend

for ganglion cyst removal?  Thanks,  Susan.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Book -Reply

From: Gilbert Arnold <arnoldg@EM.AGR.CA>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:10:41 -0500

--------

It is an  excellent book on spagyric herb processings; just avoid adding

alkaline plant salts to tinctures containing glycosides and ginsenosides;

this will cause decomposition into simple sugars.  Before using a soxhlet

extractor, check up on the plants thermosensitivity.



Blessings,



+Gilbert



>>> John <jfoster@EBICOM.NET> 01/31/98 11:22pm >>>

Has anyone read the book The Practical Handbook of Plant Alchemy : An

Herbalist's Guide to Preparing Medicinal Essences, Tinctures, and Elixirs

by

Manfred M. Junius I am thinking about ordering it but know nothing about

it.

If so I would like to have some input.

John  jfoster@ebicom.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: puzzle:web sites

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 20:09:09 -0700

--------

----------

> From: Kimberly A. Bottemiller <

> 3.  What about good web sites on herbs, does anyone know of any web

sites?

Kimberly, there are a lot of good sites available. I particularly like

"Algys", as it has a'zillion links, as well as an herb board and much info

on site. Use your search engine, look for: algy herbs.  As far as that

goes, you could spend 24 hours straight on your computer by following links

to Herbs from all the different search engines!  An excellent resource is

the archive file of this list. Get to it by going to the home page

(Henriettas- sorry, don't have the URL). You will find the link there, I

think.

I enjoyed the herb board discussion on Karens site (URL?), as well as

algys.

margo





> and finally,

>

> 4.  Can anyone recommend a good diet regimen for health.  I mean I have

heard

> to eat this and not to eat that, i.e. how eating cold stuff effects the

liver,

> which is news to me.  Maybe someone can recommend a good book.  I get

lost in

> the book store and overwhelmed.

>

> Thanks so much.

>

> Kiannbo@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: puzzle:web sites

From: "Connie C. Hayes" <chayes@SNARK.WIZARD.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:45:35 -0800

--------

margo clayson wrote:

[Charset ISO-8859-1 unsupported, filtering to ASCII...]

> > From: Kimberly A. Bottemiller <

> > 3.  What about good web sites on herbs, does anyone know of any web

> sites?



> An excellent resource is

> the archive file of this list. Get to it by going to the home page

> (Henriettas- sorry, don't have the URL). You will find the link there, I

> think.

> margo



        I don't have a lot of information on this, since I am a new

person to herbs, but here is Henrietta's URL for the herb faq...

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediherb.html  Hope this helps, I have

found a lot of information there, plus it shows me a lot of different

areas with tons of information.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: web sites

From: Karen Shelton <nature@EDGE.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:49:37 -0600

--------

I enjoyed the herb board discussion on Karens site (URL?), as well as

algys.

margo

Here it is....we have wild herb  message board, wild herb and flower photo

gallery, articles and over 100 links to other sites. We list all herbal

links submitted as a service to readers and fellow herbalists.

My main interest is studying wild medicinal plants in their natural

environment, (as opposed to gardening).

 I'm also into the St. Johnswort thing and think it the best thing I have

ever used for depression .

 I would like to hear from others with similar interests, and need

information from herbalists who have experience with pregnant women (NOT FOR

ME).

So I have put together what I know on this site.

Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Herbal

www.altnature.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Wild Edible Plant class

From: John Goude <nature@EEE.ORG>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 21:30:21 -0800

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I have just updated the page for a Wild Edible Plant class I help teach in

southern California.  Other classes in the area are under negotiation right now.



http://www.eee.org/bus/nature/wepclass.htm



--

<>< John Goude ><>            ham: KE6VUB

Yucaipa, CA 92399-5605

e-mail: nature@eee.org        http://www.eee.org/bus/nature







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Echinacea Seeds

From: jmission <jmission@INDY.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Feb 1998 23:44:55 -0600

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Hello,



I was looking at seeds at the store, and saw a bag of seeds called White

Swan Echinacea.  Would this be good for herbal use?  Also, which kind of

candula (marigold) seeds are for herbal use?



Send replies to jmission@indy.net.



TIA

j







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea Seeds

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:23:58 +0000

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Does anyone know if White Swan Echinacea is Echinacea Pallida?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea Seeds

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:57:08 -0500

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White swan is Echinicea purpurea, var. alba.  E. pallida is, curiously,

purple and not all that pallid.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:23:58 +0000 caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM> writes:

>Does anyone know if White Swan Echinacea is Echinacea Pallida?

>



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Subject: Re: Echinacea Seeds

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 00:46:31 -0500

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>Does anyone know if White Swan Echinacea is Echinacea Pallida?





No, it is a cultivated strain of Echinacea purpurea.

I am pretty sure that it is Echinacea purpurea var. alba.



It is much too commonly available to be E. pallida, which, incidentally, is

carried as 'Pale Purple Echinacea', by Nichols Garden Nursery, in Oregon.



White Swan has the same growth habit as the common Purple E.,but is slightly

shorter, with white petals and a grayish-yellow center.



Joanie

(U.N.H. Master Gardener)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea Seeds

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 20:38:22 -0500

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Given the strength and vitality of echinicea, I suspect that flower color

does not significantly affect the medicinal power of the root.  I am more

hesitant to say that the aerial parts are equally strong, although I have

no reason to suspect that they are weaker.  In my teaching garden I have

a wide variety of Echinicea purpea plants and for the life of me I can't

tell the difference.



However there are measurable differences between components in various

species of  Echinicea- E. pallida and E. angustafolia differ from E.

purpurea, although all 3 are used as antinfectives.  There are some new

echiniceas offered in the trade- including a yellow species,but  I have

heard nothing about their medicinal uses.  components may vary depending

upon soils and growing conditions as well- E. angustifolia has different

requirements than E. purpurea.





Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:18:23 -0500 Joia Nalezny <jnalezny@BW.EDU> writes:

>All this talk of echinicea and varieties I was wondering if the

>benefits

>of the herb are affected by the color or variety.

> On Wed, 4 Feb 1998,

>Karen S Vaughan wrote:

>

>> White swan is Echinicea purpurea, var. alba.  E. pallida is,

>curiously,

>> purple and not all that pallid.

>>

>> Karen Vaughan

>> CreationsGarden@juno.com

>> ****************************************

>> Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

>> See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.

>>

>> On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:23:58 +0000 caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM> writes:

>> >Does anyone know if White Swan Echinacea is Echinacea Pallida?

>> >

>>

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Subject: Re: SJW - how to make infused oil

From: weed <weed@COLBA.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:32:19 +0000

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Elfreem wrote:



> In a message dated 98-01-21 13:50:09 EST, you write:

>

> <<

>  just thought i'd let you know, i've bee using infused SJW oil for years

>  .

>  it's a potent antiviral.whenever anyone around me gets "stuck" with

>  something flu-like

>  in which echinacea proves useless; SJW does the trick!  <snip snip>

> >>

>

> Is this a preparation on the market is did you prepare it yourself? If on the

> market what's the name. If you prepared it, can you give specific directions.

> Thanks in advance.  -Elliot







my own preparation. fill, (pack ) a half gallon sterilized jar with young,

barely opened flowers

(i also use the top leaves, however many prefer not to. i have tried both

methods and have not noticed a difference as far as effectiveness.)

fill with cold pressed extra vigin olive oil to cover the plant material. (this

is important - both for quality of the finished product and preservation. one

year when i was particularly broke and olive oil prices were steep i tried

another good quality oil. Forget it - the whole batch went rancid)

seal jar tightly . i put tape over the lid with the identification of what it is

and the "finished" date. this does two things  - reminds me when to decant,

and makes sure that none of the curious open my jar to have a look see!!

i then put my jar in the sun. i literally attach mine with a bungee cord to my

balcony rail.

let it macerate three months shaking the bottle every couple of days or so.

if you harvest  around the 24th june (st jean baptiste day -  he who the plant

was named for) your oil will be ready for thanksgiving.

keeps almost indefinately if stored in amber glass bottles in a dark cool place.



incidently, this method of ingesting the plant dates to it's use in the middle

ages. (for all you history buffs out there!)



today most people tincture it in alcohol. however, i like the old method for two

reasons:



easily ingested by those who couldn't or shouldn't take alcohol



in oil the plant, already an emollient, is even more so an can be used to treat

digestive tract ulcers (and no, sorry folk's on this one i don't have the

dosage, never had the *pleasure*)



did anyone mention that the coumarins in this plant make one susceptible to

sunburn, and that during treatment one should avoid exposure to direct sunlight?

however, that these same coumarins need sunlight to function fully - as such sun

baths in early  morning or late afternoon for about twenty minutes are

reccommended.



        lee.





ps excuse me one and all i had to run to toronto for a week (mortality) before i

got a chance to send this one. this may sound flip but it hasn't hit home yet



       lee.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Visualization

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:41:58 -0500

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This maybe considered OT, but I am sure there are those that do

follow spirtuality along with Herbal Application...to me

connection/communion with my herbs is all important in the efficacy

of healing..



In a dream last nite I was doing a visualization to assess a new

formulation I had started..imaging the herbs and how my body was

receiving them...in the dream a voice said..."you need a father herb

for balance"...



I would appreciate some input on the idea of "a Father herb"...



Reply by PERSONAL Email if you feel this is OT.



Linda

WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Glucosamine/Chondroitin

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@LARC.NASA.GOV>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:57:12 -0500

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>At 8:12 AM +0000 2/1/98, caryn wrote:

>>For those of you seeking this in bulk, I am still researching this and

>>have not forgotten you,

>>

>>caryn

>Thanks, because I'm really interested.  It even makes me think we might

>consider a co-op

>for other bulk buys of really expensive items. -Anita

>

>

>--

>

>paf@connix.com



Yes, Caryn, I am interested too. I use it, and have turned some people onto

Glucosamine/

Chondroitin, but it is sooooo expensive.



Michelle







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Gerson Therapy?

From: Amanda Reeves <alr@IO.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 07:53:24 -0600

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Could someone please tell me how to find out more about the GersonTherapy?

My sister has Hepatitis C and I am trying to find all I can to help her out

- naturally.

The Inteferon is killing her.........but she's in a small town and no one

there is going

to offer her any alternatives.



Thank you,

Amanda Reeves



----------

> From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

> Subject: Re: Fibroids? & Liver Detox

> Date: Sunday, February 01, 1998 11:13 PM



> The Gerson therapy is a very wholistic program which supports liver

> detoxification and rebuilding through oxidizing enzymes and liver

injections.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: lyme disease

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 12:44:01 -0600

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I don't know anything about the validity of the following treatment but due to the fact it is worth following up on I am sending this to the list.  It is also not herbal. 



In the JAn/Feb 1998 issue of Countryside & Small Stock Journal is an article by a Jennifer Jennings, R.N. from Richmond Virginia stating that she has been researching nontoxic theraphies for life threatening diseases.  



The mother of a friend of hers contacted her about her four year battle with Lymes Disease.   After going through the usually treatment of antibiotics she was no better and actually worse as her Sed.rate kept rising indicating her cartalige was being dissolved.  This woman had problems finding a doctor who would administer this but finally did and had after the five day treatment was well and remains so today.



Jennifer recommended 25 grams (yes - 2,000 mg.) vitamin C intravenously per day for five consecutive days.  She claims that it is a real cure not just a treatment to reduce symptoms.

The article was vauge on details but was not written for health professionals.  If anyone has any details I would love to know them.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW more than an anti-depressant.

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 22:59:54 EST

--------

Everyone talks about the anti-depressant properties of SJW but what of the

other things it helps.  I recall  a reference regarding anti-arthritis

components of the plant.  Are those phytochemicals available throughout the

aerial parts or are they just in the flowering tops like the hypericin?

Comment anyone?  TIA , luvlylin







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW more than an anti-depressant.

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:04:14 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-07 14:31:02 EST, you write:



<< Everyone talks about the anti-depressant properties of SJW but what of the

 other things it helps.  I recall  a reference regarding anti-arthritis

 components of the plant.  Are those phytochemicals available throughout the

 aerial parts or are they just in the flowering tops like the hypericin?

 Comment anyone?  TIA , luvlylin

  >>



Other uses of St. Johns:



active against a wide range of viruses known as lipid-enveloped viruses (fly

viruses, herpes, hepatitis C, and possibly HIV) with HIV studies ongoing.



As a natural antibiotic for infections; used on the surface of wounds to

prevent spread of infection; and taken internally for deep organ infections

(with a practitioner's supervision, of course).



For use against TB because of two antibiotic compounds: hyperforin and

novoimanine, by killing bacteria and stimulating the body's immune system to

fight infection.



To speed wound healing and reduce inflammation.  While it increases the

activity of a weak immune system it can decrease inflammation-producing immune

activity in wounds.



For relief of menstrual pain and cramps that accompany it.  Cramps are

believed caused by high levels of prostaglandins and when there are too many

of them they cause excessive bleeding.  It is thought SJW reduces the effects

of prostaglandins.



Those are some uses, but please be sure to undertake treatment from a good

herbalist or practitioner who has complete knowledge of your body and takes a

complete medical history and exam.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW more than an anti-depressant.

From: CoraLynn McKelvy <coralynnmckelvy@USA.NET>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:52:32 -0500

--------

SJW is also good for nerve damage, especially in an oil that can be

massaged

into the site that has been damaged.



My mother had carpal tunnel surgery done in the early 70s. She recently had



such severe pain in her arm to hand that EMS had to treat her as a heart

attack

patient. The ER said that it was acute carpal tunnel. They put her back in

a

rigid brace which she wore for 2 weeks with no improvement before they came

to visit. I gave her some oil & told her to massage it into her wrist at

least 3 times

a day, better 5 times. Within 6 days her wrist was so improved that she

gave up

the rigid brace.



It is my understanding that the whole plant is good, but the flowers the

best.



CoraLynn

ne TN

coralynnmckelvy@usa.net



----------

> Everyone talks about the anti-depressant properties of SJW but what of

the

> other things it helps.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea Seeds   & calendula

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 23:13:24 EST

--------

Don't know about the white swan variety but I think the seeds you are looking

for are Calendula Officinalis, AKA pot marigold, Marybud and bull's eyes. One

of the easiest herbs to grow and dry. Luvlylin







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea Seeds   & calendula

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:41:37 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-03 04:34:03 EST, you write:



<<

 Don't know about the white swan variety but I think the seeds you are looking

 for are Calendula Officinalis, AKA pot marigold, Marybud and bull's eyes. One

 of the easiest herbs to grow and dry. Luvlylin



  >>



I bought a package of seeds marked "WHITE SWAN ECHINACEA". Its Echinacea

purpurea. -Elliot







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ear Candles: off topic one time post

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Feb 1998 19:42:00 -0900

--------

I am posting this on the list because of the incredible amount of requests

for this I have recieved.  It will be posted only once.



To make ear candles:



Use 1/4 or 3/16 in wooden dowel about 12 inches long.

It will be oiled with vegetable oil before applying the "candle" for shaping.

Cut long 1 inch wide strips of linen or unbleached cotton cloth. (Bias cut

is best).

Melt pure beeswax in a long narrow pan.  I use a long bread pan.

Oil the dowel and spiral wrap the cloth on the dowel, leaving at least a

half inch at each end.  Don't wrap it so tight it will be difficult to get

off.

Dip the wrapped dowel in the beeswax and leave for a few seconds to absorb

the wax.  Pull the dowel out of the beeswax and wipe of excess wax.  Set

aside to cool of and harden.

When the wax is cool.  Gently remove the formed tube from the dowel by

pushing it off the end of the dowel.

At this point you should have a formed tube. Cut the ends to make them

uniform and flat on the butt ends but open all the way through.  It should

look like a straw.

To use them.  Have the "patient" lie on his side, back to you.  Gently

place the candle in the ear canal sealing it as tight as possible against

the skin without being uncomfortable for the patient.

It's a good idea to cover the head with a towel to protect it from dripping

wax or fire from the candle.

Have a dish of water at hand and a pair of scissors.

Light the outer end of the candle and let it burn down about 2 inches.  At

this point you may notice that the end might be closing off.  Cut off the

burned end to keep it open and clear, letting it fall into the water to

douse any fire.

Continue to let it burn, cutting off the burned end as it goes to keep it

open.

Let it burn to about 3 inches from the ear or when it starts to get "warm"

for the patient.

This will pull up ear wax and impurities into the tube and it will be burned.

You may have to use 2 candles per ear for really waxy ears.

It is soothing for ear infections and I know of one case where insertion of

ear tubes was rendered unnecessary after a treatment with ear candles.

You may want to experiment with other things like using parchment paper or

adding a little paraffin to make it more solid and to burn faster and hotter.

Don't forget to mind the diet and add some good herbs to the diet.  Drink a

big cup of peppermint tea and relax.

Have fun.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: coffee withdrawl: A simple test

From: "C.A. Thielman" <Cynthisa@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 04:13:24 EST

--------

Perhaps your teacher could have put his money where his mouth is with a simple

test:  Have several people drink a liquid (tea perhaps) that have been made to

contain a certain set amount of caffeine (say two groups with different

levels, one high and one moderate, and no caffeine at all in the control

group's tea).  After a week, have them stop the tea and record any *physical*

reactions they might have over the next several days.  I'll *bet* "headaches"

among those who had the high caffein tea would be listed!!!  (From someone

who's been there!)  As a scientist (physicist turned field biologist) it makes

me mad to see people spreading this kind of untested info. (opinions?).  It

happens with herbs all the time because people just assume, "Oh, it's just

folk medicine."  And I say, "No, look at this study and this study and this

one....."  As Fox Mulder would say, The Truth is Out There!

Cynthisa@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: immunizations

From: Richelle Roberts <Abenarobbi@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 07:14:06 EST

--------

is there any herb teas that i can give my 9 month-old to ease her pain,

crankiness etc. after she gets an immunization?



also, my mom has told me to let baby suck a cloth dipped in chamomile for

teething pain.  is this ok?  what is the recommended strength?



finally, i know i have a question re expiration dates.  today i purchased some

infant acidophilus for my daughter.  when i got home, i noticed that the

expiration date read Jan 1998.  (it was refrigerated.)  i plan to return it.

are there laws against selling expired merchandise?  is it safe to use expired

products under any circumstances?



thanks!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: immunizations

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:45:18 -0900

--------

At 07:14 AM 2/3/98 EST, you wrote:

>is there any herb teas that i can give my 9 month-old to ease her pain,

>crankiness etc. after she gets an immunization?



Absolutely.  Get some Catnip and Chamomile.  Make up some tea and give her

as much as she'll drink.  I found that if you give the baby Tylenol BEFORE

and immunization, it really helps.  If she gets a fever, go for peppermint.

 If she won't drink it, you can soak her feet in it or sponge it on her

body.  It will take a fever down pronto.  Use a Mullein compress on the

immunization site to disperse the fluids and reduce swelling.



>

>also, my mom has told me to let baby suck a cloth dipped in chamomile for

>teething pain.



Wonderful idea.  Make it just like tea (about two teabags full per cup).

Homeopathic teething tablets are wonderful.



is this ok?  what is the recommended strength?

>

>finally, i know i have a question re expiration dates.  today i purchased

some

>infant acidophilus for my daughter.

It's probably fine.  Those dates are not the date it's no longer good, they

reflect the timeline followed to go for fresh merchandise BEFORE it goes

bad.  If you're worried, take it back to the store.  I've done that before.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: immunizations

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:44:57 -0800

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<snip>



>also, my mom has told me to let baby suck a cloth dipped in chamomile for

>teething pain.



Wonderful idea.  Make it just like tea (about two teabags full per cup).

Homeopathic teething tablets are wonderful.



<snip>



Go one better.



Soak a cloth (terry washcloth works best, imho) in the chamomile tea.



Fold in half.  Twist until somewhat tight, as if you are wringing it out,

but not entirely.  You DO want some of the tea to stay in the cloth!



Here's the zinger...................

Throw it in a baggie  and throw it into the freezer.



Give to child to gnaw on after its frozen solid. (remove it from the

baggie, naturally!)



The frozen washcloth routine was always a nerve-saver in my family. I think

there's nothing worse than a teething child screaming in agony due to mouth

pain... and of course  24-72 hours into it, the child is screaming not only

because of pain  but also hunger (who wants to eat when your mouth hurts?)

and exhaustion (who can eat when their mouth hurts AND they're hungry?)



Other teas to try:

Peppermint  (gotta love that herb... sheer magic! and tasty too!)

Black oolong (tannin really is remarkable stuff on mouth wounds!)



Teas I would AVOID would be anything in the willow family.... please

remember the dangers of aspirin & reyes syndrome. While teething isn't

exactly a flu/cold illness  babies/children ARE a bit more susceptible to

these infections while teething.  Better to err on the side of caution.



- T.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Valarian & Ephedra-FDA?

From: Karen Shelton <nature@EDGE.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:21:26 -0600

--------

Karen Shelton: re: ephedra and Tennessee Product Liability.  Does this

also apply to OTC products in the Drug Stores for Asthma Inhalers?



No, just health food stores and ephedra in herb form. BTW I'd like to know

where I can get some to keep on hand.

Karen Shelton

Alternative Nature Herbal

www.altnature.com

Its just my humble opinion, use it at your own risk.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Valarian & Ephedra-FDA?

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:25:22 -0500

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Frontier cooperative (NCI) has ephedra in bulk.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:21:26 -0600 Karen Shelton <nature@EDGE.NET> writes:

>Karen Shelton: re: ephedra and Tennessee Product Liability.  Does this

>also apply to OTC products in the Drug Stores for Asthma Inhalers?

>

>No, just health food stores and ephedra in herb form. BTW I'd like to

>know

>where I can get some to keep on hand.

>Karen Shelton

>Alternative Nature Herbal

>www.altnature.com

>Its just my humble opinion, use it at your own risk.

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Deep Muscle Knot

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:03:23 -0500

--------

I'd make a hot compress using mullein, lobelia, comfrey and cayenne

infusion.  And I'd give him tea of the same (perhaps omitting the

latter).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 15:06:12 EST Barbara Birkinbine <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

writes:

>Hi Everyone,

>

>My husband, Mike, was playing soccer with our son and got a kick to his

calf

>muscle.  The muscle locked up immediatley and he was unable to continue

with

>the game.  He limped for a few days, but then was back to regular

activities.

>This was 6 weeks ago and the knot is still there!  I can feel it when

>I am

>massaging the area ( I have been doing this on and off ).  This needs

>something else to help the deep knot loosen and return the muscle to

>normal.

>Does anyone have any suggestions?  He says it is still sore when

>touched but

>otherwise he forgets about it during the day.  Thanks for your help.

>

>Barb Birkinbine

>Oak Camp Co

>Grower of Medicinal Herbs

>OakCamp@aol.com

>



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Subject: Re: Deep Muscle Knot

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:22:36 +0000

--------

This could be a sign of Plebitis and it should be checked out.



Calcium Teas with Nettle and other mineral herbs,  and taking

Calcium/Mag may help in rebalancing the electrolytes.



If he is not taking Vitamin E I would start.  Other herbs such as

Butchers Broom, Cayenne, Hawthorne, Gingko may help with circulation

as well as He Shou Wu (Polygonum multiflorum)  is a good blood tonic,

and others on the list may have other suggestions.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Deep Muscle Knot

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 22:53:13 -0500

--------

Barb



>My husband, Mike, was playing soccer with our son and got a kick to his

calf

>muscle.  The muscle locked up immediatley and he was unable to continue

with

>the game.  He limped for a few days, but then was back to regular

activities.

>This was 6 weeks ago and the knot is still there!  I can feel it when I

am

>massaging the area ( I have been doing this on and off ).  This needs

>something else to help the deep knot loosen and return the muscle to

normal.

>Does anyone have any suggestions?



I am thinking that Magnesium would be good to relax muscle tissue -

either

the mineral form or herbs high in it such as alfalfa, aloe, black

walnut, blue

cohosh, capsicum, catnip, chamomile, comfrey, garlic, ginger, gotu kola,



hops, kelp, mullein, papaya, parsley, peppermint, red clover, valerian,

wood betony - notice that a few of these herbs are nervines, chamomile,

hops, valerian, wood betony and mullein also has a calming, relaxing

effect.



Take care,

claudia:-)

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Deep Muscle Knot

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:52:55 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-03 23:01:07 EST:Claudia wrote in response to a

question on a sports realted muscle knot :



<< I am thinking that Magnesium would be good to relax muscle tissue -

 either  the mineral form or herbs high in it such as alfalfa, aloe, black

 walnut, blue cohosh, capsicum, catnip, chamomile, comfrey, garlic, ginger,

gotu kola, hops, kelp, mullein, papaya, parsley, peppermint, red clover,

valerian,

 wood betony - notice that a few of these herbs are nervines, chamomile,

 hops, valerian, wood betony and mullein also has a calming, relaxing

 effect  -  Take care,  claudia:-)-- >>



HUH?? do we put these all into one cap - or mix them with the porrige.



 I know this is supposed to be a learning experience for all, but one of the

difficulties that the herbal community faces is that some folks tend to

suggest things that will really not do a whole lot of good.  The suggestion

for magnesium is a good one in that it regulates electrical activity

throughout the body and certainly in an area affected, but the electrical

circuits here are really short circuited for the time being and that is what

is causing the muscle to be in a knot.  Magnesium in this instance probably

should be in a pill form - cheap and more effective than the 3 pounds of herbs

that you would have to eat to get the same effective dose as a straight 1000

mg dose for a couple of days



There is no quesiton that most of the herbs you mention could also have some

beneficial use to a body, but the specific problem that the person was looking

to fix was a "charley horse" or muscle knot.  In other words, a muscle spasm.

You need an anti-spasmodic, preferrably one with nervine restorative powers as

well  - I personally would go for a two herb combination - simple is sometimes

better - and that would be an infused oil of Saint John's wort and skullcap.

Both have the nervine properties you are looking for, both will also, applied

topically, act as anti-spasmodics which wil relax the muscle tissue and

release it from the "ball" that has formed.  The SJW will also act, applied

topically, to repair the nerve damage, however minimal, that has happened in

the area.   If one wantted to get really "wild" in their protocall, they could

also add a little bilberry leaf to the mix before infusing the oil to soften

the vascular tissues in the area and restore normal function to the

capillaries a bit more quickly. (I poersonally think the Skullcap and SJW oil

should be sufficient if applied to the area as often as possible.  For future

reference, this kind of approach "always" works better if treatment is started

very soon after the injury.

Hope this helps - and Claudia, I wasn't hollering, just making a point that

there are a lot of folks lurking in the shadows that are either trying to

learn "what to use for what' that could come away with the feeling that for a

muscle knot they either have to go get all of the herbs and put them together,

find a preparation at their local nauture's food store that contains all of

what you mentioned, or live with the knot because the whole prospect scares

them.  There are others who lurk out there in the list shadows that are here

to "monitor" what is going on for a whole bunch of reasons, some of which are

not truly honorable.  These would be the first to say, on camera or elsewhere,

things that could further restrict our ability to practice the craft of herbal

healing.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Deep Muscle Knot

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:20:15 -0900

--------

At 12:52 AM 2/5/98 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 98-02-03 23:01:07 EST:Claudia wrote in response to a

>question on a sports realted muscle knot :

>

><< I am thinking that Magnesium would be good to relax muscle tissue -

> either  the mineral form or herbs high in it such as alfalfa, aloe, black

> walnut, blue cohosh, capsicum, catnip, chamomile, comfrey, garlic, ginger,

>gotu kola, hops, kelp, mullein, papaya, parsley, peppermint, red clover,

>valerian,

> wood betony - notice that a few of these herbs are nervines, chamomile,

> hops, valerian, wood betony and mullein also has a calming, relaxing

> effect  -  Take care,  claudia:-)-- >>

>

>HUH?? do we put these all into one cap - or mix them with the porrige.

>

>

That's alot of herbs to choose from.  Pick three in the muscle relaxant

category , add a demulcent and an aromatic and voila you have a good

combination.

It can be overwhelming.  I really hate herb books that are nothing but

lists.  Become familiar with a few good herbs and you will find that you

will use those for most things.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Deep Muscle Knot

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:51:26 -0900

--------

At 03:06 PM 1/31/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hi Everyone,

>

>My husband, Mike, was playing soccer with our son and got a kick to his calf

>muscle.  The muscle locked up immediatley and he was unable to continue with

>the game.  He limped for a few days, but then was back to regular activities.

>This was 6 weeks ago and the knot is still there!  I can feel it when I am

>massaging the area ( I have been doing this on and off ).  This needs

>something else to help the deep knot loosen and return the muscle to normal.

>Does anyone have any suggestions?  He says it is still sore when touched but

>otherwise he forgets about it during the day.  Thanks for your help.

>

>Barb Birkinbine

>Oak Camp Co

>Grower of Medicinal Herbs

>OakCamp@aol.com

>

>

Yup. Yup. Yup.  The old Mullein compress should do the job.  If you want

something you can buy in a store, look for Tiger Balm.  Acupuncture will

work too.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Deep Muscle Knot

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:02:09 -0500

--------

Pete



Just got back from spending a few days helping out with my family -

Mom with broken arm, Dad recovering from fractures caused by

osteo. due to meds he has had to take for epilepsy, and a brother

who is handicapped - it was nice to be able to help.   Now I'm

catching up on my lists and emails.



I said:

<< I am thinking that Magnesium would be good to relax muscle tissue -

 either  the mineral form or herbs high in it such as alfalfa, aloe,

black

 walnut, blue cohosh, capsicum, catnip, chamomile, comfrey, garlic,

ginger,

gotu kola, hops, kelp, mullein, papaya, parsley, peppermint, red clover,



valerian,  wood betony - notice that a few of these herbs are nervines,

chamomile, hops, valerian, wood betony and mullein also has a calming,

relaxing effect  -  Take care,  claudia:-)-- >>



You said:



you said:

>>HUH?? do we put these all into one cap - or mix them with the porrige.



 I know this is supposed to be a learning experience for all, but one of

the

difficulties that the herbal community faces is that some folks tend to

suggest things that will really not do a whole lot of good.  The

suggestion

for magnesium is a good one in that it regulates electrical activity

throughout the body and certainly in an area affected, but the

electrical

circuits here are really short circuited for the time being and that is

what

is causing the muscle to be in a knot.  Magnesium in this instance

probably

should be in a pill form - cheap and more effective than the 3 pounds of

herbs

that you would have to eat to get the same effective dose as a straight

1000

mg dose for a couple of days



There is no quesiton that most of the herbs you mention could also have

some

beneficial use to a body, but the specific problem that the person was

looking

to fix was a "charley horse" or muscle knot.  In other words, a muscle

spasm.

You need an anti-spasmodic, preferrably one with nervine restorative

powers as

well  - I personally would go for a two herb combination - simple is

sometimes

better - and that would be an infused oil of Saint John's wort and

skullcap.<snip>

Hope this helps - and Claudia, I wasn't hollering, just making a point

that

there are a lot of folks lurking in the shadows that are either trying

to

learn "what to use for what' that could come away with the feeling that

for a

muscle knot they either have to go get all of the herbs and put them

together,

find a preparation at their local nauture's food store that contains all

of

what you mentioned, or live with the knot because the whole prospect

scares

them.  There are others who lurk out there in the list shadows that are

here

to "monitor" what is going on for a whole bunch of reasons, some of

which are

not truly honorable.  These would be the first to say, on camera or

elsewhere,

things that could further restrict our ability to practice the craft of

herbal

healing.<<



Not sure what to say except

thanks for "fixing" my general message.  I don't feel yelled at, but do

feel like there may have been a bit of an attempt to make  me look

less than careful.  I think it is important that whenever a person reads

any

of the things posted here they should take the time to research any

herbs someone lists here, and make sure that the information given about



any is valid.   I was assuming that that is what the person reading my

message would have done...but perhaps you are right, and I am assuming

too much.



Have a great day,

claudia :-)

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Allergies

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:21:32 -0500

--------

>>Does anyone know of any natural remedies to reduce the effects of pollen

>>in the spring?



What i have found really effective is nettle tea. Usually around this time

i start drinking a tea with 3 parts nettles, 1 part rasp. leaf, 1 part

peppermint, 1 part red clover, 1 part rasp. leaf and 1 part dandelion leaf.

It's easy to make a quart in the morning and sip on it all day, hot or

cold. The allergies didn't hit me nearly as hard as they hit everyone else

last year because of it and the combination is great for the skin.



Good Luck!



-bek



elizabek@vineyard.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lithium

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:26:31 -0500

--------

Our chiropractor had recommended  (non prescription) lithium for a family

member with depression (not bipolar disease).  He's taking 120 mg of

lithium orotate 2x per day.  What herbs would also contain this element?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.

--------- Begin forwarded message ----------

>

My friend was also bi-polar and on lithium.  He began to see a

Homeopathic

physician and recieve acupuncture treatments along with MAJOR dietary

changes.  He was soon able to cease his lithium.  He went on without it

and

said he never felt better, lost weight for several months.  Then the

Homeopathic MD left town and he went off his diet and is now back on

lithium.

I would recommend that you seek a local practitioner who can follow

progress and adjust it as necessary before embarking on self treatment.

This is not a simple thing to treat.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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Subject: Re: Lithium

From: Mara Jade <akalo@UIT.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:35:27 -0600

--------

-----Original Message-----

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 9:01 AM

Subject: Lithium





>Our chiropractor had recommended  (non prescription) lithium for a family

>member with depression (not bipolar disease).  He's taking 120 mg of

>lithium orotate 2x per day.  What herbs would also contain this element?

>

>Karen Vaughan



My daughter is currently taking Lithium for bi polar disorder.  I would also

like to know some  herbals that are safe to take along with this drug .   I

have started her on apple cidar vinegar drinks in order to cleanse her

system.  since i know Lithium sort of sticks in the liver. it's one of the

down sides to the drug.   I am interested in finding some herb to help

cleanse the liver . if anyone has any info please let know.



thanks,



 Mara Jade

akalo@uit.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lithium

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:53:57 -0500

--------

My question is...what is NON prescription Lithium?...please excuse my

ignorance.



Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lithium

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:36:05 -0500

--------

Lithium orotate is available at well-stocked health food stores.  Not

particularly common, however- a behind the counter item.  I've also seen

Lithia Water for sale.  My chiro says this is "elemental" lithium, as

opposed to prescription lithium, which according to my PDR is lithium

carbonate or lithium citrate.  Don't know why those would be any less

elemental.  The dosages are higher for prescription lithium- 900 mg/day

for a mania dose, vs. 260mg/day of the lithium orotate.  I'll guess that

the toxicity problelms are similar.



Anyway, I'm still interested in what herbs might have lithium and in what

forms. Elliot or Mary?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:53:57 -0500 MS LINDA A MANSFIELD

<WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM> writes:

>My question is...what is NON prescription Lithium?...please excuse my

>ignorance.

>

>Linda

>



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Subject: Re: Lithium

From: Kat Lonewolf <lonewolf@FRAZMTN.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:35:12 -0800

--------

>Our chiropractor had recommended  (non prescription) lithium for a family

>member with depression (not bipolar disease).  He's taking 120 mg of

>lithium orotate 2x per day.  What herbs would also contain this element?



Please, anyone who must take lithium, make sure they get regular

blood levels drawn. If not carefully regulated lithium can be quite

toxic. A weekly or biweekly blood level should be drawn when one

first starts taking lithium. Then, when dosage is adjusted a monthly

level should be enough. But no one should take lithium without

getting periodic blood levels. As with many drugs, one's health can

affect the activity of the drug. A dose that is safe one week could

become lethal if one comes down with a cold or the flu. Watch it,

guys! This is a dangerous drug.



Lonewolf

Birch Moon Homemade Soaps & Sundries

Frazier Park, Ca







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lithium

From: Mara Jade <akalo@UIT.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:43:13 -0600

--------

>

>Please, anyone who must take lithium, make sure they get regular

>blood levels drawn. If not carefully regulated lithium can be quite

>toxic. A weekly or biweekly blood level should be drawn when one

>first starts taking lithium. Then, when dosage is adjusted a monthly

>level should be enough. But no one should take lithium without

>getting periodic blood levels. As with many drugs, one's health can

>affect the activity of the drug. A dose that is safe one week could

>become lethal if one comes down with a cold or the flu. Watch it,

>guys! This is a dangerous drug.

>

>Lonewolf

>Birch Moon Homemade Soaps & Sundries

>Frazier Park, Ca

>



 I agree.  Lithium is usually only perscribed for brain chemical imbalances.

and NOT for typical depression.  My daughter who has been diagnosed as

bi-polar,  ( some of you may remember a few monthes ago my begging for any

remedy to help stablize her mood swings. Life witha bi-polar is a true

rollercoaster ride).   is currently on Lithium. And she does have regular

blood drawn, and as her doctor says it, she will have to have this done

monthly for the rest of her life, or as long as she stays on Lithium.

Normal Lithium levels range between 0.5 and 1.6 . My daughter after a month

on Lithium, is just reaching 0.6.    I would give anything to find an herb

to help her body boost it's own Lithium levels,   but so far as I have ever

heard,  the herbal capsules on the market at this time that claim to be

herbal lithium, do so becasue they have traces of actual Lithium in them.  I

don't know this for a fact, but i would also warn against taking this,

without further research on those, due to the possible harm Litium could do

to a person who doesn't really need Lithium.  If you don't need it,  DO NOT

take this drug. !



 Mara Jade

akalo@uit.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lithium

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:07:08 +0000

--------

In defense fo Lithium, some people cannot function without it. I know

of one Bi-Polar that refused to take his and he met with a very tragic

end at the age of 35.  I have another friend that is a rapid cycler

Bi-Polar that is seeing an acupuncturist and taking allopathic meds

and is more balanced now than he has ever been.  He says he misses the

very very higns and does not miss the very very lows.



One thing is for certain, cleaning up the Liver will aid in whatever

treatment one follows.



Some foods create a slow reaction in the body: ice cream, cheese, high

fat foods.  I ended depression by giving up ice cream.



Just read an article about Activin (grape skins and seeds)

allieviating the effects of a high fat diet by preventing cholesterol

from being formed in the blood stream.  This would account for low

levels of cholesterol among wine drinkers that eat a high fat diet.  I

am not suggesting either, but he research was interesting.



If we want to clean up the Liver, drinking wine is not the way.



I have posted some info on Liver and Digestive Herbs and reading

Christopher Hobbs on this subject could prove helpful.



wishing all good health,



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lithium

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:30:38 +0000

--------

re:  Bi Polar



Have you tried to balance this condition wiht Liver Cleansing and

Feeding herbs and altering the diet by eliminating sitmulants, alcohol

and sugar plus fatty junk foods?



I have a friend that is a rapid cycler Bi Polar and with acupuncture

and herbs and changing his diet, he has been able to balance the

swings of mood, lower the highs and higher the lows.



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lithium

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:23:31 -0500

--------

I know of no botanicals that contain lithium, but I've known rockhounds who

worked with (and cut with a saw, which produced rockdust) the mineral

lepidolite (or lapidolite?), a purplish granite-like rock often associated

with tourmaline, here in the Northeast U.S.



The story I got was that this rock was rich in lithium and the intake of the

rockdust (breathing it in while cutting it) had 'uplifting' lithium effects.



I wonder if plants grown in this dust would absorb the lithium, too?



Joanie





>Our chiropractor had recommended  (non prescription) lithium for a family

>member with depression (not bipolar disease).  He's taking 120 mg of

>lithium orotate 2x per day.  What herbs would also contain this element?

>

>Karen Vaughan







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lithium

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:19:57 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-03 19:50:07 EST, you write:



<< Anyway, I'm still interested in what herbs might have lithium and in what

 forms. Elliot or Mary?



 Karen Vaughan >>



I ADD:



Lithium - atomic number 3

                atomic weight 7

                melting point C - 180.5

                boiling point C - 134.2

                density g/cc - 0.53



One of only 3 metals with a densityless than water.  Lithium is a trace

mineral found in the earth's crust.  The clinical use is of lithium arginate.

It is prescribed for use in manic-depressive orders, epilepsy, drug withdrawl,

alcoholism and migraines, although I am only familiar with it's use in manic-

depressive disorders or today's term bi-polar disorder.



New research is showing it can be used for malignant lymphatic growths and

chronic hepatitus.



Overdosing symptoms include headaches and intense palpitations.



I do not know of any plant sources for this mineral, but it can be found in

some food sources such as whole grains and seeds as well as mineral waters, so

it stands to reason that plants can take it up also.



It interferes with replication of DNA-type viruses such as herpes virus

without affecting the host cells.  Lithium succinate (in an 8 percent

solution) can be used with zinc in topical ointments or alone.



Interesting question Karen and we'll have to look into it more.  Elliot do you

have more on this?



Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lithium

From: Bob Lang <Rowanduck@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 12:17:55 EST

--------

I believe that the dose of Lithium prescribed by physchiatrists for bipolar

illness is usually between 900 and 1,800 mg. per day. This is usually in the

form of Lithium Carbonate. The discovery that Lithium might be effective in

the treatment of manic disorders was accidental. In 1949 a researcher by the

name of Cade observed that guinea pigs fed lithium carbonate layed around alot

and were physically inactive. He reasoned that possibly it might be useful in

humans who suffered from mania. In his intial research he administered lithium

to ten manic patients and he noted a distinct improvement after several days.

During the 1960's Lithium became the mainstay treatment of mania a feature of

what was than called Manic-Depressive illness (now called bi-polar illness).

The mechanism by which lithium ameliorates the manic state is not known. For a

time Lithium Chloride was also used as a salt substitue but eventually was

banned during the mid 40's because of its toxicity. Toxic side affects

include: Slurred speach, shakiness, muscular weakness, nausea, diarrhea,

Acne, excessive urination and thirst. At high doses consciousness is impaired

and seizures and coma may occur. I do not know anyone who uses lithium to

treat depression and it may actually make depression worse.

Besides the many herbal remedies which are used to treat "depression" another

therapy I might suggest is partial sleep deprivation. It has been noted for

some time that one of the features of severe depression is inability to sleep

properly. Depressed individuals tend to feel tired all the time and usually

can fall asleep alright, but than they awake in a few hours and still feel

tired. Some have suggested that rather than being a symptom of the illness pre

see, this is actually the bodies self defense mechanism. It maybe that somehow

the altered sleep patterns changes the chemical makeup of the brain. If

mildly depressed people who are still sleeping relatively normally, are

awakened early (2-3 A.M.) for several consecutive nights their depression

seems to lift and the effect may be sustained for several weeks. To add to the

effect, shortly after awakening high-intensity light (approximately 2,500 lus

or 225 foot-candles at 4 feet away, an amount sufficient to suppress

melatonin) can be used for 20 to 30 minutes and the antidepressive affect

seems to be more dramatic.



Bob Lang

Omaha, NE







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ephedras

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 08:50:32 -0500

--------

caryn-



There are two kinds of Ephedra with differing properties.  E. sinica, Ma

Huang, does containe ephedrine, as well as pseudoephedrine and 5 other

related alkaloids.  Mormon tea, E. virdis, E. torreyana  and related

species, does not contain significant amounts of ephedrine, although its

value as a decongestant indicates probable related alkaloids.  Mormon tea

is diuretic, works on kidney and urinary tract diseases, and is

antiallergenic.  When herbalists speak of ephedra, Ma Huang is usually

what is meant.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

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See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:13:17 +0000 caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM> writes:

>Margo re Ephedra or Mormon Tea:

>

>I don't think you information about Ephedra not having ephedrine is

>correct. If you have references for this information, I would really

>like to know them.   Does anyone out there know for sure about this?

>I was told the two herbs, Ephedra and Ma Huang were one in the same

>and that ephedrine was the active agent.

>

>As the Mormons do not allow caffeine drinking from tea nd coffee, this

>tea is allowed and it has a very stimulating effect, akin to caffeine

>with some other health benefits that differ from coffee and tea.

>

>Thanks for helping me out with this one.

>

>caryn

>



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Subject: Re: Appetite suppressents/craving curbers

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:00:39 -0500

--------

Stevia seems to usually not raise blood sugar levels, but I suspect that

it depends upon what else is consumed.  Alan Tillotson reported that he

had checked his blood sugar after consuming Nutrasweet.  Sometimes it did

nothing and sometimes it raised his blood sugar way above the levels that

sugar would have done.  He did not get this effect from stevia, but I

have heard other anecdotal evidence that it sometimes happens with

diabetics.



My take on the case is that the sweet taste stimulates the body to expect

sugar and  if anything that can be readily broken down to sugar is

present, the blood sugar levels will rise, beyond the levels that would

be expected from those foods alone.  I can't prove it, and since stevia

is a natural taste, it may be less succeptible to this effect than

artificial sweeteners.  I'd like to see more research.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

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See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:16:43 +0000 caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM> writes:

>re: Gymnema sylvestre and suppressing sugar cravings.  I have heard

>that this herb will actually make sugary foods taste bland and not

>that appealing.  If you take it, you may notice this reaction.

>

>For a sweet flavor a very small pinch of Stevia goes a long way and

>this herb will not alter blood sugar levels.

>



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Subject: Re: Appetite suppressents/craving curbers

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:58:27 -0700

--------

<big snip>

> My take on the case is that the sweet taste stimulates the body to

>expect > sugar



I have a very active "sweet tooth", though I control it. I have been

drinking a variety of herbal 'beverage' teas (Satori, celestial seasonings,

etc.), with 1/4 tsp. stevia to 4 c. water. It has been remarkable that for

the first time, I do not crave sugar. Now, I can't say that it is the

stevia, as I have a dehydration problem, and I have greatly increased my

fluids in addition to the stevia. That may have an effect, too. I am

leaning towards thinking the stevia does do something for me.

It would be interesting to know if others have had experience with this.

margo







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Appetite suppressents/craving curbers

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:04:56 +0000

--------

With regards to feeling dehydrated, I would suggest that you get

checked for Diabetes.  This si a classic symptom.  In some cases, if

you do have Diabetes, diet can correct the problem.  It is very

important that you rule out this possibility.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Baby's eye infections (2nd attempt)

From: Bo <bodacia@TDL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 06:24:43 -0800

--------

[My apologies to the list for this double posting (if, in fact, it is), but

I sent this message originally several days ago, and have not yet seen it

appear in a digest.]





My 1-1/2 year old niece, who otherwise is startling robust and healthy, has

had recurrent bouts of clogged tear ducts since she was an infant.  This,

in turn, has caused her to suffer from recurrent eye infections.  The

doctors have mainly treated the baby with anti-biotic ointments and, until

this week, were of the opinion that she would eventually "grow out of it."



A few days ago, my sister took the baby to the doctor because of yet

another infection.  This time she was prescribed a different type of

anti-biotic ointment, and my sister was advised to massage the tear ducts

with her fingers and apply hot compresses.  The doctor also said that, if

this situation does not resolve soon, the baby could end up with serious

eye problems (even blindness).  He said the next step would be to

surgically probe the tear ducts to clear the blockage!  I would not want to

see this happen to my niece.



I believe it's possible that these clogged tear ducts are a symptom of a

food allergy.  (The baby does get an awful lot of dairy on a daily basis--3

bottles of milk a day, plus lots of different cheeses and yogurt.)

However, my sister and brother-in-law are pretty stubborn about their diet

(they eat "everything"), and would not be willing to change the baby's

diet, nor to systematically eliminate foods to determine which, if any,

might be causing the eye problem.



So, as a second-best alternative, I was wondering if any of you might have

some suggestions on an herbal "allopathic" approach to treat this problem.

Thanks.











-Bo

-------------------------------------------------------------------

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http://www.tdl.com/~bodacia







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Baby's eye infections (2nd attempt)

From: Carrie Shelter <Carrie9557@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 11:07:16 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-03 10:12:35 EST, you write:



<<

 My 1-1/2 year old niece, who otherwise is startling robust and healthy, has

 had recurrent bouts of clogged tear ducts since she was an infant.  This,

 in turn, has caused her to suffer from recurrent eye infections.  The

 doctors have mainly treated the baby with anti-biotic ointments and, until

 this week, were of the opinion that she would eventually "grow out of it." >>



Hi Bo,

My grandmother passed on the following remedy for eye irritations .....

Hardboil and egg and carefully peel out pieces of the thin inner membrane from

the shell.  Place this on the problem area...."external use only...do not

place it on the "eye ball".  Allow it to sit there 10-15 minutes.  It may need

to be replaced by a fresh piece periodically....it's very thin and dries out

quickly.  I've passed this on to several people over the years for various

conditions and it always seems to work.  Since your niece is so young, you may

want to wait until she is asleep.  I can't explain how or why it

works.....that part was never passed on, but it does.  It works good on boils

and skin ulcers also.

Anyone else every hear of this?  Perhaps, there's someone out there who can

help explain why this works.

Carrie

Carrie9557







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Baby's eye infections (2nd attempt)

From: Mara Jade <akalo@UIT.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 13:00:28 -0600

--------

-----Original Message-----

From: Bo <bodacia@TDL.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Tuesday, February 03, 1998 11:04 AM

Subject: Baby's eye infections (2nd attempt)





>[My apologies to the list for this double posting (if, in fact, it is), but

>I sent this message originally several days ago, and have not yet seen it

>appear in a digest.]

>

>

>My 1-1/2 year old niece, who otherwise is startling robust and healthy, has

>had recurrent bouts of clogged tear ducts since she was an infant.  This,

>in turn, has caused her to suffer from recurrent eye infections.  The

>doctors have mainly treated the baby with anti-biotic ointments and, until

>this week, were of the opinion that she would eventually "grow out of it."

>

>A few days ago, my sister took the baby to the doctor because of yet

>another infection.  This time she was prescribed a different type of

>anti-biotic ointment, and my sister was advised to massage the tear ducts

>with her fingers and apply hot compresses.  The doctor also said that, if

>this situation does not resolve soon, the baby could end up with serious

>eye problems (even blindness).  He said the next step would be to

>surgically probe the tear ducts to clear the blockage!  I would not want to

>see this happen to my niece.

>

>I believe it's possible that these clogged tear ducts are a symptom of a

>food allergy.  (The baby does get an awful lot of dairy on a daily basis--3

>bottles of milk a day, plus lots of different cheeses and yogurt.)

>However, my sister and brother-in-law are pretty stubborn about their diet

>(they eat "everything"), and would not be willing to change the baby's

>diet, nor to systematically eliminate foods to determine which, if any,

>might be causing the eye problem.

>

>So, as a second-best alternative, I was wondering if any of you might have

>some suggestions on an herbal "allopathic" approach to treat this problem.



 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Bo,



 I am also sending this to you personally just in case it missed the digest.

*smile*.



 A few things to try:



 Ju Jua   an antibacterial anti-inflammortory and liver herb. good for

persistant eye problems.  take an infusion or tincture.



Eyebright   an astringent, phlegm- reducing and anti-inflammotory.     Soak

a pad in an infusion and apply to the eyes as a compress, or bathe the eyes

in an eyewash of water with 5 to 10 drops of the tincture.    If there is an

infection, support with antibacterials such as purple coneflower taken

internally.



hope that helps.  *smile*.  let me know.



 Mara Jade

akalo@uit.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Baby's eye infections (2nd attempt)

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 16:15:23 -0500

--------

A friend of mine had good luck with an eyewash she made with an infusion of

eyebright. Her daughter was about 3 months old and also was suffering from

a clogged tear duct. She made the infusion and soaked a soft cloth in the

solution and gently washed the area. This seemed to help after 3 days. Hope

this is useful.



Be Well,  bek



elizabek@vineyard.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Baby's eye infections (2nd attempt)

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:38:04 -0900

--------

>had recurrent bouts of clogged tear ducts since she was an infant.  This,

>in turn, has caused her to suffer from recurrent eye infections.  The

>doctors have mainly treated the baby with anti-biotic ointments and, until

>this week,

It seems you might need to use an herbal compress that would  dissapate the

substances causing the infections, increase circulation and prevent

infection.   When I think of dissapating I think of Mullein,  For

circulation in a baby perhaps some simple catnip.  For infection, I'd go

for eyebright or goldenseal.  I'd make these up into an infusion and do a

hot compress on the baby a couple times a day for a while.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Baby's eye infections (2nd attempt)

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:37:40 +0000

--------

re eye infections:



I would seek to decrease offending substances fed the baby as well as

the herbal remedy.  Allergies to food and inappropriate diet could

cause this condition, especially since it recurs.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Glucosamine Sulfate & Chondroitin Sulfate

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 12:29:05 EST

--------

Glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin sulfate are becoming very popular within

the natural health field.  Used properly and with correct supervision by a

doctor or practitioner we are finding that they can reduce the discomfort and

pain of some forms of arthritis and many are finding that they have better

range of motion.  However, it is very important to know which kind of

arthritis you have and if you can what the causes are.  There may be other

natural health options open to you.



 One of the most common forms of arthritis is reactive arthritis, like the

rheumatoids.  They are caused by an infection or an increase in the immune

system function.  Usually patients receive antibiotics for this and over a

long period of time do get some relief.  The other most common form is osteo

arthritis and it is this for which the above supplements seem to help.  Osteo

arthritis is a slow wearing-away of cartilage.  As cartilage is rebuilt and

compression-resistant synovial fluid is augmented inflammation is reduced.

Synovial fluid is a slippery substance that gives cartilage it's only source

of nutrition, since it has no blood supply of it's own.  It also lubricates

the joints.  Arthritis destroys this joint cartilage before our bodies can

make proper repairs.



 Glucosamine sulfate is an amino acid derivation of glucose.  It is naturally

present in joint cartilage.  It's sulfur particles cross-link with other

molecules to help bodily structures keep their form and is 98 percent

absorbable because it is composed of tiny molecules.  Glucosamine stimulates

the body to make all-important collagen.  A protein portion of a fiber-like

substance which holds joints together, collagen acts as a "shock absorber" by

cushioning articular cartilage.  This particular cartilage is found in the

joints of our wrists, hands, knees, etc and is a smooth, white substance on

the ends of joints.  Glucosamine helps damaged joints to function better.  It

binds water in our cartilage matrix and helps make more collagen and

normalizes cartilage metabolism which in turn helps cartilage from "breaking

down."  All of this helps to improve joint function.



 Chondroitin sulfate is made up of repeating units of glucosamine with

attached sugars, but it's molecules are 250 times larger than glucosamine

sulfate.  It is classified as a glycosamino-glycan and greatly assists in

forming joint cartilage.  It also acts as an anti-inflammatory on joints and

can regulate cartilage metabolism.  It actually has a magnetism that attracts

fluids into proteglycan molecules.  When it does this it actually pushes

nutrients into cartilage and this fluid, mentioned above, acts as a "shock

absorber."  It also protecs the cartilage you do have from breaking down too

early by inhibition of particular enzymes that are destructive to cartilage

and deprive it of nutrients.



 Some doctors prescribe both together because it is thought that they have a

synergistic action, that is they enhance the action of the other one.  With

all of that said it is important to first see your practitioner before

randomly picking up these products from your health food store shelf.  You

need to classify your arthritis and to get a proper level of these supplements

prescribed from an experienced practitioner.  Information on these supplements

is still forthcoming and will be as more studies commence.  For a listing of

some studies you may visit:



 http://users.ica.net/ianw/relfor.htm



 In health -

 Mary Conley, MNH

 Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Immunomodulators and sociology!!!

From: Kat Lonewolf <lonewolf@FRAZMTN.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 09:35:12 -0800

--------

>  I have seen documentation....news

>shows....have spoken personally to people, all of whom said they were ready to

>drive off a cliff....in connection with their usage of Prozac!  Yes, Prozac

>has helped many people, but it has also caused a great deal of harm.



I may be coming in a little late on this thread but I thought I would

pass on my experience regarding Prozac. I am an RN. When I started

getting patients in the ER that were taking Prozac and had tried to

commit suicide in spite of it I looked the drug up in the PDR. One of

the side effects listed is the possibility of suicidal ideation. My

patients had gone beyond ideating. They had made the attempt. A

couple were successful. I am very sceptical about much of allopathic

medicine's efficacy. When one is treating only a small piece of a

body(say, liver) there is an awful lot of the body left that is

affected by what is done to one small part. That, I think, is one of

the major problems with allopathic medicine. It doesn't take in the

big picture. It does have it's uses, however. I just don't think it

is the end all and be all. Medicine in much of the rest of the world

is not quite as backward as American medicine. In Europe and the Far

East the practitioners tend to take the entire body into

consideration when dealing with a disease process. I have seen an

awful lot of people die because of allopathic medicine's nearsighted

point of view. I am convinced it should not be a person's only avenue

toward healing.

    Okay, end of mini-rant.



Lonewolf

Birch Moon Homemade Soaps & Sundries

Frazier Park, Ca







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: answer my own question

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 17:42:06 GMT

--------

On Sat, 31 Jan 1998 21:13:17 +0000, caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>I don't think you information about Ephedra not having ephedrine is

>correct. If you have references for this information, I would really



North American Ephedra sp. do NOT contain large amounts of ephedrine. Asian and

European species do.



Henriette



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Henriette re Ephedra

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:00:22 +0000

--------

Does the North American variety still act as a Brochial dilator and

can it be used in preparations to do this or would the Asian variety

be more appropriate for this specific function?



Thanks,



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Henriette re Ephedra

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 08:56:08 -0500

--------

The American species is not a good bronchial dialator.  Coltsfoot

(tussalago) and lobelia might be better.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:00:22 +0000 caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM> writes:

>Does the North American variety still act as a Brochial dilator and

>can it be used in preparations to do this or would the Asian variety

>be more appropriate for this specific function?

>

>Thanks,

>

>caryn

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Henriette re Ephedra

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:06:13 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-03 22:06:17 EST, you write:

<<



North American Ephedra sp. do NOT contain large amounts of ephedrine. Asian

and

European species do.



Henriette

>>



<<

 Does the North American variety still act as a Brochial dilator and

 can it be used in preparations to do this or would the Asian variety

 be more appropriate for this specific function?



 Thanks,



 caryn

  >>



I add: Can you be more specific about the names of species? I understand that

the Chinese brought over ephedra when they were building the railroads. Did

they bring Ephedra sinica or another species? Are you saying that E. sinica in

America has less ephedrine or is American ephedra simply another species. Can

you clarify?



Elliot







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Henriette re Ephedra

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:17:01 GMT

--------

On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:06:13 EST, Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>I add: Can you be more specific about the names of species? I understand that

>the Chinese brought over ephedra when they were building the railroads. Did

>they bring Ephedra sinica or another species? Are you saying that E. sinica in

>America has less ephedrine or is American ephedra simply another species. Can

>you clarify?



Different species on different continents.

North America: Ephedra viridis + E.nevadensis (Mormon tea), others;

Asian: Ephedra vulgaris, Ephedra sinica (Ma Huang),

European: some further species, predominantly in Spain.



American Ephedra sp. have no significant levels of ephedrine, Asian and European

species do.



Henriette



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: white swan coneflower (echinecia)

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 14:44:27 -0700

--------

I do hope that the answer will also be posted. I have wondered the same

thing. The Vesseys catalog calls it "a creamy white version of purple

coneflower, hardy, 24in. "

So the question is, is this a naturally occuring difference? and is it as

effective?  It may be a new variety bred.

margo



> I was looking at seeds at the store, and saw a bag of seeds called White

> Swan Echinacea.  Would this be good for herbal use

> Send replies to.......







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb advice needed

From: "~" <Ltysonhunting@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:16:01 -0700

--------

I would also recommend the book "Menopausal Years The Wise Woman Way" by

Susun S. Weed, Alternative Approaces.  Gives lots of great info on

helping with problems she will probably encounter.  I used it and lots

of things they recommend and was amazed.



Sincerely,



Loretta Tyson

Ltysonhunting@worldnet.att.net



Anita Hales wrote:

>

> At 06:34 PM 1/28/98 -0700, you wrote:

> >A dear friend (my midwife) has recently had an hysterectomy. I need advice

> >for internal and external herbs.    Any comments on using the BF&C for

> >this?

> >Her insides are stitched, sore. She is currently taking echinecia and

> >goldenseal.

> >margo

> >margo@gemstate.net

> >

> >

> I'd suggest taking Comfrey and Slippery Elm.  You can also make a compress

> to apply to the external abdomen using the same herbs to hasten healing and

> reduce scarring.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb advice needed

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 19:08:12 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-03 18:23:00 EST, you write:



<<

 I would also recommend the book "Menopausal Years The Wise Woman Way" by

 Susun S. Weed, Alternative Approaces.  Gives lots of great info on

 helping with problems she will probably encounter.  I used it and lots

 of things they recommend and was amazed.



 Sincerely,



 Loretta Tyson

 Ltysonhunting@worldnet.att.net

  >>



Can you give us some examples?? -Elliot







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chinese/american ephedra

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 16:19:19 -0700

--------

Hi caryn



> Margo re Ephedra or Mormon Tea:

> I don't think you information about Ephedra not having ephedrine is

> correct.



I need to start keeping track of where-I- find-what when I get info from

the internet!  I'm afraid all I remember is it was from a link off Algys

herb page.



> I was told the two herbs, Ephedra and Ma Huang were one in the same

> and that ephedrine was the active agent.

Ephedra and ma huang are the same plant- chinese ephedra, which has

ephedrine. Mormon Tea (or Brigham tea-same plant), is a different plant,

but related. It does not have the high ephedrine levals. It is also

referred to as American Ephedra.

>

> As the Mormons do not allow caffeine drinking from tea nd coffee, >this

> tea is allowed and it has a very stimulating effect, akin to caffeine

> with some other health benefits that differ from coffee and tea.



I think it was used quite a bit in the early pioneer times, when Salt Lake

was being settled. Many Mormons had just recently joined the church, and

were looking for a substitute for their previous drinks. I believe the

medicinal benifits were known, also. Nowadays, few mormons know what

'mormon tea' is, except for those who are actively persueing (sp?)  herbal

knowledge (like me).

margo

(when are "they" going to add spell-check to e-mail?!)







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chinese/american ephedra

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:57:17 -0900

--------

A Mormon Tea (or Brigham tea-same plant), is a different plant,

>but related. It does not have the high ephedrine levals. It is also

>referred to as American Ephedra.

>>

>> As the Mormons do not allow caffeine drinking from tea nd coffee, >this

>> tea is allowed and it has a very stimulating effect, akin to caffeine

>> with some other health benefits that differ from coffee and tea.

>

>I think it was used quite a bit in the early pioneer times, when Salt Lake

>was being settled. Many Mormons had just recently joined the church, and

>were looking for a substitute for their previous drinks. I believe the

>medicinal benifits were known, also. Nowadays, few mormons know what

>'mormon tea' is, except for those who are actively persueing (sp?)  herbal

>knowledge (like me).

>margo

>(when are "they" going to add spell-check to e-mail?!)

>

>

You are correct.  It should be remembered that this "tea" was used by many

in the westward expansion of the US.  It was used for influenza, colds and

fevers.  It also served as a soothing tea to warm you up on those cold

frontier nights.  It is said that it would stave off hypothermia.  A large

group of migrating "Mormons" used the American ephedra to cure an influenza

breakout among their party.  I'd have to check my history books for

details.  From this, it was called "Brigham tea" or "Mormon tea".

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: chinese/american ephedra

From: Sam Sussman <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:48:19 -0500

--------

Im drawing a blank here . Could someone buy some for me and mail it. Ill

refund the postage and cost of the Morman tea. Regards Sam













At 09:57 PM 2/4/98 -0900, you wrote:

>A Mormon Tea (or Brigham tea-same plant), is a different plant,

>>but related. It does not have the high ephedrine levals. It is also

>>referred to as American Ephedra.

>>>

>>> As the Mormons do not allow caffeine drinking from tea nd coffee, >this

>>> tea is allowed and it has a very stimulating effect, akin to caffeine

>>> with some other health benefits that differ from coffee and tea.

>>

>>I think it was used quite a bit in the early pioneer times, when Salt Lake

>>was being settled. Many Mormons had just recently joined the church, and

>>were looking for a substitute for their previous drinks. I believe the

>>medicinal benifits were known, also. Nowadays, few mormons know what

>>'mormon tea' is, except for those who are actively persueing (sp?)  herbal

>>knowledge (like me).

>>margo

>>(when are "they" going to add spell-check to e-mail?!)

>>

>>

>You are correct.  It should be remembered that this "tea" was used by many

>in the westward expansion of the US.  It was used for influenza, colds and

>fevers.  It also served as a soothing tea to warm you up on those cold

>frontier nights.  It is said that it would stave off hypothermia.  A large

>group of migrating "Mormons" used the American ephedra to cure an influenza

>breakout among their party.  I'd have to check my history books for

>details.  From this, it was called "Brigham tea" or "Mormon tea".

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

Dr. Sam Sussman, Ph.d.

Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, University of Western Ontario

Director, Archival Centre, London Psychiatric Hospital

North American Editor, Mentalities

personal web page: http://www.geocities.com/athens/9288/sam.html







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Appetite suppressents/craving curbers-dehydration

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Feb 1998 20:38:12 -0700

--------

Excellent point. I have had been diagnosed as border line diabetic,

fortunatly it never crossed the line. You are right- diet has kept me from

having more trouble. The dehydration actually is from my failure to drink

sufficiently. I do not feel thirsty, and have to force myself to drink. I

have had kidney stones as well. I just have to take better care of this

body!

margo

----------



> With regards to feeling dehydrated, I would suggest that you get

> checked for Diabetes.  This si a classic symptom.  In some cases, if

> you do have Diabetes, diet can correct the problem.  It is very

> important that you rule out this possibility.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Liver Problems

From: "C.A. Thielman" <Cynthisa@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 01:31:38 EST

--------

Wow!  I was reading this list and a light bulb just went off in my head!  All

this discussion about liver problems (its amazing how huge a role the liver

plays in our health) made me *finally* realize that my seemingly unrelated

physical complaints (headaches, nausea, fatigue, digestive difficulties,

and.... eye problems that prevent me from being able to wear my contact

lenses) all point towards liver imbalance!  I'm really not surprised since I

had hepatitis about 15 years ago and have had to take a number of nasty rx

drugs over the years for chronic severe migraines.  (Feverfew has helped with

them though, thank God!)  Anyways, to address my liver problems, I was

considering trying the fast/cold yarrow root and following it up with milk

thistle.  (I haven't researched the exact dosages and forms yet), but does

anyone have any other suggestions?  (in particular for teas)  I'd be grateful

to hear them.

Thanks,  Cynthisa@aol.com



P.S.  I also gave up refined sugar this week and have drastically increased

the amount of water I'm drinking each day (72 oz/day is my target).  It was a

drag at first, but now my body *craves* water all day!  Isn't that great!?!

Isn't it amazing what we learn when we take the time to *listen* to what our

bodies are telling us!?!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Problems

From: Donald & Sheena Townsend <firefly@HOST.OR.JP>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:57:33 +0900

--------

I felt the same way when I was reading all that.  The most accessible herb for me

is burdock root.  I'm wondering if I can actually cleanse my liver using only

the  burdock root or will I have to order some other herbs to help it along.

Please inform me on how it would be best to go about the cleansing with burdock.



Sheena



C.A. Thielman wrote:



> Wow!  I was reading this list and a light bulb just went off in my head!  All

> this discussion about liver problems (its amazing how huge a role the liver

> plays in our health) made me *finally* realize that my seemingly unrelated

> physical complaints (headaches, nausea, fatigue, digestive difficulties,

> and.... eye problems that prevent me from being able to wear my contact

> lenses) all point towards liver imbalance!







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: kidney stones

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:33:38 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-03 22:39:32 EST, you write:



<<

 Excellent point. I have had been diagnosed as border line diabetic,

 fortunatly it never crossed the line. You are right- diet has kept me from

 having more trouble. The dehydration actually is from my failure to drink

 sufficiently. I do not feel thirsty, and have to force myself to drink. I

 have had kidney stones as well. I just have to take better care of this

 body!

 margo >>



Consider increasing the amount of calcium in your diet or calcium

supplementation.

For kidney stones, they used to tell everyone to limit calcium. Actually, its

the other way around. A recent study demonstrated that increased calcium in

the diet decreased stone formation. Calcium supplementation worked also, but

only if it was taken with meals ..they reasoned that calcium precipitates

oxalate in the gut which decreases systemic absorption and the risk of causing

stone formation. In other words, its not the calcium that causes kidney stones

..its the oxalate content in food that does. Also, stay away from carbonated

beverages. The carbonate will precipitate out calcium carbonate which is

relatively insoluble and will decrease the amount of calcium absorbed. I

suspect it may even lower the body's calcium and contribute to osteoporosis,

but I can't prove it.



Sorry for being off topic, but I thought this might be important to some of

the listers ..especially women who may have believed that calcium should be

restricted. Both men and especially women are getting too little calcium as it

is.



Curhan GC. Comparison of Dietary Caliucm with Supplemental Calcium and Other

Nutrietns as Factors Affecting the Risk for Kidney Stones. Ann Intern Med

1997;126:497-504



Curhan GC. A Prospective Studyof Dietary Calcium and Other Nutrietns and the

Risk of Symptomatic Kidney Stones. New Engl J Med 1993;328:833-8



Liebman M. Effect of Dietary Calcium on Irunary Oxalate Excretion After

Oxalate Loads. Am J clin Nutr 1997;65:1453-9





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Glucosamine Sulphate and broken bones

From: Vanessa Cooper <vanessa.bartec@GOOD.CO.UK>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:59:10 GMT

--------

Mary,

You explained very clearly how glucosamine sulphate and chronditin sulphate

assists in osteo-arthritis.  Could this also be used to promote healing of

broken joints.  If not can anyone tell me what herbs assist the healing of a

broken joint.

Regards

Vanessa







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Glucosamine Sulphate and broken bones

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 14:42:03 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-04 10:22:29 EST, you write:



<< Could this also be used to promote healing of

 broken joints.  If not can anyone tell me what herbs assist the healing of a

 broken joint.

 Regards

 Vanessa

  >>



Yes we are seeing it's use to help broken bones mend faster and stronger, and

doctors are actually prescribing it on their rx pads - interesting huh!



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Glucosamine Sulphate and broken bones

From: Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@USCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 15:04:57 -0500

--------

>

> Yes we are seeing it's use to help broken bones mend faster and stronger, and

> doctors are actually prescribing it on their rx pads - interesting huh!

>

> In health -

> Mary Conley, MNH

> Herbgrow30@aol.com



What about for osteopenia and osteoporosis?



Jodi







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Glucosamine Sulphate and broken bones

From: "Kimberly A. Bottemiller" <Kiannbo@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:25:39 EST

--------

If this works on helping to mend bones I wonder if it would help with

periodontal disease?



Kiannbo@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Glucosamine Sulphate and broken bones

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 13:06:02 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-04 15:05:39 EST, you write:



<< What about for osteopenia and osteoporosis? >>



I ADD;



I have found no studies or definite claims that this product can help lay down

more bone.



The information is on the function of the joints, cartilage and collegen.

Glucosamine helps the body to form more collegen and by binding water in the

cartilage matrix it can help cartilage from breaking down.  It is from this

that most get their relief.  The chondroitin acts as the anti-inflammatory and

pushes nutrients into the cartilage keeping it from breaking down too early.



Many patients have reported however, improvement in their osteoarthritis but

studies need to be done on this before those claims can be proven.



As far as periodontal disease I have not found any dental involvement at all -

but it would be something to explore.



We're only going to learn about these products with well-designed studies that

can give us more information.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herniated & calcified disc

From: Kenneth Nosul <kn9899@ALPHA.RWU.EDU>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:32:32 -0500

--------

January 30th, I sent a message for help on a situation and condition

(compressed spinal cord and impending surgery) that i needed some advice

on herbal treatments to benefit in speedy recovery, and was hoping to

begin taking herbal supplements to build my system up prior to and post

surgery in March...and to lessen scar tissue (i have to have a rib removed

to be used as a part for the disc/vertebrae).  I have not had one

response from the List as of yet (6 days later).  I did receive a reply

back that my message was successfully sent to the Herb List. (?) Thanks

in advance, and sorry for any misunderstanding.



Ken   (college student that is "supposed" to graduate in May).







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herniated & calcified disc

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:09:52 -0500

--------

I would take tinctures of St. John's wort (for nervine and vulnurary-not

antidepressant effects), comfrey (use HerbPharm's if you are worried

about PAs- otherwise the tea or tincture from Symphiticum officinalis),

and drink lots of oatstraw infusion made with 1 oz. avena sativa / a

quart of boiling water, infused overnight and strained the next morning.



Externally I would rub the area with St. John's wort oil , comfrey oil

and lobelia oil or vinegar.  I would do this before and after the surgery

(after chance for infection is past.)



Avoid caffeine or other stimulants, which will slow healing of the

muscles.



I hope you have previously consulted an accupuncturist (the real kind-

not the MD/chiro short course variety) since not all herniated disks

require surgery and accupuncture is frequently good at removing this type

of pain.



Good luck- my mother (who had no recourse to an accupuncturist) had the

surgery and the disk re-herniated a few weeks later.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Wed, 4 Feb 1998 10:32:32 -0500 Kenneth Nosul <kn9899@ALPHA.RWU.EDU>

writes:

>January 30th, I sent a message for help on a situation and condition

>(compressed spinal cord and impending surgery) that i needed some

>advice

>on herbal treatments to benefit in speedy recovery, and was hoping to

>begin taking herbal supplements to build my system up prior to and

>post

>surgery in March...and to lessen scar tissue (i have to have a rib

>removed

>to be used as a part for the disc/vertebrae).  I have not had one

>response from the List as of yet (6 days later).  I did receive a

>reply

>back that my message was successfully sent to the Herb List. (?)

>Thanks

>in advance, and sorry for any misunderstanding.

>

>Ken   (college student that is "supposed" to graduate in May).

>



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You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.

Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herniated & calcified disc

From: "Kimberly A. Bottemiller" <Kiannbo@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:29:05 EST

--------

My mother also re-herniated the disk in her neck after surgery.



Kiannbo@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ephedra and metabolic rates

From: Diana Anz-Meador <danz-meador@VSTI.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 09:37:58 -0600

--------

I have a question about the use of Ma Huang.  I started taking it about

1 1/2 years ago for weight loss.  I also take a lot of other herbs and

vitamins.  The combinations worked, and I lost about 40 pounds.  I have

a history of extreme food allergy, beginning in college. (Who says

school cafeteria food won't kill you?)   I would throw up after every

meal (no, I wasn't bulemic), or have diarrhea.  On particularly bad

days, both simultaneously.  As an apparent consequence of this, my

metabolism slowed down.  Prior to losing the weight, after much ill

health, I self-diagnosed and treated a systemic yeast infection (liberal

use of Kyolic brand liquid garlic and caprylic acid).



So now I'm healthy, happy, can exercise, get out of bed, get dressed,

hold a job.  My question is:  What is the long term effect of using Ma

Huang to boost your metabolism?  Even now, my body temp hovers around

97.6F.  I use the Ma Huang still occasionally (once or twice a week).

Is there another, more effective way to get (and keep) your metabolism

in the warm-blooded mammalian range?



TIA



Diana A.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ephedra and metabolic rates

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:10:06 -0900

--------

 My question is:  What is the long term effect of using Ma

>Huang to boost your metabolism?  Even now, my body temp hovers around

>97.6F.  I use the Ma Huang still occasionally (once or twice a week).

>Is there another, more effective way to get (and keep) your metabolism

>in the warm-blooded mammalian range?

>

>TIA

>

>Diana A.

>

>Your body temperature is not that unusual for a female.  I wouldn't worry

about it unless you FEEL cold all the time.  For that I'd take some daily

doses of capsicum.  This would probably be a classic symptom of a Chi

deficiency or depletion.  There's some great Chinese combinations specific

for this.

As to long term problems with Ephedra...You might watch you blood pressure.

 I'd try to wean off of it and see what happens.  You shouldn't HAVE to use

it all the time if you are treating the root cause of your problem.  Find

the root cause, treat that and you should get better, not needing the herbs

anymore.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Continuing Liver Education

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 19:01:06 +0000

--------

continuing Chritopher Hobbs on Liver  & Digestive Herbal



Astringents:  An agent that increases nerve and muscle tone, drying,

remover moisture, can reduce bacteria, yeast or viral overgrowth



Herbs:  Oak bark, twigs and galls (oak apples)

blackberry root

black walnut



Bitters:  stimulating, tonifying nerve supply to digestive organs,

increases the flow of secretions and enzymes.



dandelion

mugwort

wormwood

gentian

cascara sagarada

bitter orange peel

unripe apples

unripe pears



Demulcent:  colling soothing relaxing



marshmallow root

slippery elm bark

flax seed

almond seed

barley



Anti spamsodics:  regulate chi and remove cogestion



wild yam

chamomille

yarrow

passion flower

Calfironia poppy

fennel

peppermint



Anti-inflamatory   heat clearing



chamomile

licorice

Oregon grape

golden seal

plantain

fenugreek

feverfew

meadowsweet

willow bark

poplar buds



Aromatics and Carmitives   cool interior and warm surface, such as

mucous membranes, smooth flow of chi, help release gas, relax

sphicnters, increase bowel peristalsis



peppermint

spearmint

fennel

caraway

dill

sage

lemon peel

orange peel

cardamom



Laxatives   Stimulate and regulate the bowels, ususally when there is

a lack of bowel tone, or constipation.  Herbs with a very mild

laxative effect are called bowel tonics and very strong laxatives are

called purgatives.



*I note, please be careful not to incur bowel dependency



rhubarb

cascara sagrada

aloe

senna

buckthorn



Other Herb Actions for the Liver



Cleansers:



Burdock

Dandelion Root

Yellow Dock

Blue Flag

Oregon Grape



Builders



Artichoke

milk thistle

butternut

oat



Cool Liver Fire



Gentian

Dandelion



Protectors



Milk thistle

garlic

schisanddra

bupleurum



Antioxidants



rosemary

lemon balm

saffron

tumeric



Warm Stagnat Liver



prickly ash

ginger



***This is a book you will find very helpful with recipes and other

charts.



Check out Botanica Press, Capitola CA.



**nci**





wishing you all good health,



caryn







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: The last time, I promise

From: Ben Zablotsky <Fsm42224@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 21:05:21 EST

--------

       As some of you may know I have been spending these last few months

developing a research paper on alternative medicine treatments for diseases.

I have made much progress, but I still have a few questions. I am focusing my

paper on these five items: Cancer, AIDS/HIV, MS, Chronic Illnesses (colds,

headaches), and Alzheimers.  There are obvious many methods for each of these

of these items.  I have found these treatments:

Cancer: Vitamin Therapy, Shark Cartilage (which I don't approve of).

AIDS: SPV-30, Vitamin Therapy.

MS: Bee Venom, Acupuncture

Chronic Illnesses: Vitamin Therapy, Echinacea, mainly things to improve

immunity.

Alzheimers: Ginkgo.



These are just the major things I have found for each of these diseases.  My

questions are: 1.  Can anyone provide me with some other treatments for each

of these treatments (specially herbs, because I have trouble finding herbs for

these).  I am not looking for cures (there are very few), I am looking for

treatments that will make the disease less sufferable and things like that.

2. Do you have any recommendations or information for the treatments I have (

I have researched these a lot already, but could use any additional

information)?



I appreciate everyone who has helped me with this paper!!!!!!

Thank you once again,

Ben



P.S.  I know that when it comes to most Alternative Medicine treatments you

are looking at a person as a whole and what might be causing the symptoms, not

the specific symptoms and how to suppress them once.  I will make sure to

include information like this in my paper.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The last time, I promise

From: izzie <izzie@CVN.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 22:38:38 -0500

--------

Feverfew for migraines, check out English studies on this herb.  Elaine







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: The last time, I promise

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:53:23 +0000

--------

For colds the Chinese Patent Medicine: Yin Chaio when a cold has first

onset and zinc lozenges for same.



Some M.S. patients respond to having the mercury in their amalgam

fillings removed, some do not.



Cancer:  Essiac formula: Turkey Rhubarb, Sheep Sorrel, Burdock

Slippery Elm.  .as Cancer is many diseases, I don't think you can just

pick a few herbs to treat all types. Some people get results with

Macrobiotic diets and applications of various plasters.  Consulting

practioners and books on Macrobiotics is suggested.  Cats Claw has

some history for digestive cancers and urinary cancers.



Some people are doing various types of ozone theraphy for Cancer and

other chronic disease.  FDA does not approve.  Source is hydrogen

peroxide and some medical practioners are injecting same.  This is

very controversial and a practice that should only be done with a

knowledgable practioner.



Another doctor developed a program of injecting a type of camphor that

the FDA drove out of practice.



You may want to call Citizens for Health:303 417 0772 or find their

web page http://www.citizens.org.  This is a grass roots movement that

is devoted to preserving alternative health.  They may be able to

direct you to various groups doing various alternatives for the

research you are seeking.  This organization was very instrumental in

passing the DSHEA legislation.  They fight for midwives, alternative

health practioners being persecuted by the government, stopping the

State of Ca. from flouridating all drinkilng water,  etc.  Board of

Directors include John Robbins and a hot of other Naturopaths and

PhDs.



New Hope Communications publishes a magazine for Health Practioners

and Health Food Stores called Health & Nutrition 303 939 8440.  This

is free to the Trade and you may qualify.



There is a Cancer Alternative Health Group that may have a website for

you to visit.  I will try and find phone number for you.



There are clinics over the boarder in Tiajuana and points south that

have many different approaches to Cancer. Have you done a web search?



HOpe this helps



For all references I have nci







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lithium-Bob Lang and members

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:17:44 EST

--------

Bob Lang , where do you get your info from? I am very interested in the

Lithium discussion for I have a friend who I feel is in desprate need of it.

This her second time with sereve dpression, it makes me cry to see her like

this, she is a walking zombie, just a sickly shell of her former self. I know

of other friends who have been helped by lithium, and lithium alone. Believe

me I am into natural health, but this too devasting. please infrom me about

the lithium as much as possible, don't even mention SJW, this is a horrible

inflection, you have to expericence this as a loved one to see what what I am

trying to express, it is pure pain, pure hell.      Debra







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lupus and Environmental Illness

From: "Kimberly A. Bottemiller" <Kiannbo@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 00:58:55 EST

--------

Hi all,



My sister has been diagnosed with lupus and rheumatoid arthritis, plus she

seems to think that she has an environmental Illness.



Her symptoms include:  severe pain in the joints and muscles, esophagus

troubles, irregular heartbeat, abdominal discomfort, fatigue, and sensitivity

to smells, especially chemicals.  I am sure the lupus has worn on her immune

system and she is prone to getting colds and infections.



Lately, she says she feels like she is getting worse and she tries to explain

symptoms that she has a hard time describing.  She is depressed and suicidal

on top of it.  I think that if she can get to feeling better she would not be

suicidal and so depressed.  She never seems to get any relief.



She has in the past consulted a nutritionist and is on a vitamin and mineral

regimen, but also has a limited income.



I know she takes Black Walnut Hull every few months because she gets relief in

her stomach;  she believes that certain pain is from parasites.  She also used

to take Evening Primrose Oil, which helped her but she says she can't afford

it anymore.



I am hoping someone might give me some good imput here as to what herbs would

benefit her.  I just can't tell you how much I would appreciate it!



Thanks

Kiannbo@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Milk question off topic

From: "T'ainne Segal" <seagul1@VOICENET.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:19:49 -0500

--------

I am a big milk (1%) drinker and was just told that 90% of the calcium in

milk cannot be utilized by the body.

Does anyone know if this is true?

I take a calcium/mag. subsitute jsut to make sure that I'm getting enough.

I was told this amazing fact by a vegetarian who consumes no milk products

and thinks that they are one of the worst things that people can consume so

I'm hoping that it isn't a ture fact.



Terri







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Milk question off topic

From: herbs@LIVEFOODS.COM

Date: Wed, 4 Feb 1998 23:09:09 -0800

--------

>I am a big milk (1%) drinker and was just told that 90% of the calcium in

>milk cannot be utilized by the body.

>Does anyone know if this is true?

>I take a calcium/mag. subsitute jsut to make sure that I'm getting enough.

>I was told this amazing fact by a vegetarian who consumes no milk products

>and thinks that they are one of the worst things that people can consume so

>I'm hoping that it isn't a ture fact.

>

>Terri





At least 90%. In fact, you can read all about this in John Robbin's DIET

FOR A NEW AMERICA. This book is very well documented, not just your usual

health opinions. If you don't know, he was heir to Basken Robbins Ice Cream

and gave it up,(the money). I can't say enough good about this book. Meat

and Dairy both not only have calcium that you can't assimilate, they strip

calcium out of your body. There are so many green plants that have very

readily available calcium.





Good luck



S@livefoods.com (in progress)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Milk question off topic

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 06:03:19 +0000

--------

Re Milk:  I usually tell people that there are a lot of reasons to not

drink milk and that there are a lot of better ways to absorb and

obtain calcium.



and...there are entire cultures that drink nothing but milk and animal

blood living in Africa, living, reproducing, and thriving, as they

have for centuries.



Today, in the U.S. cows are fed antibiotic grain, given masses of

doses of medicines for various reasons, graze on land with pesticide

residues and have other questionable substances in their feed. As a

food, I chose not to eat or drink it.



If you have asthma, sinus infections, mucus in general, edema,

allergies, acne, lethargy, or other chronic health problems, starting

with eliminating milk may yield some very interesting results.



And, if you are the picture of health, have normal blood pressure and

normal thyroid function and lots of energy, you may be safe to leave

well enough alone.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Milk question off topic

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:46:59 EST

--------

<<

 At least 90%. In fact, you can read all about this in John Robbin's DIET

 FOR A NEW AMERICA. This book is very well documented, not just your usual

 health opinions. If you don't know, he was heir to Basken Robbins Ice Cream

 and gave it up,(the money). I can't say enough good about this book. Meat

 and Dairy both not only have calcium that you can't assimilate, they strip

 calcium out of your body. There are so many green plants that have very

 readily available calcium.

 >>



Most interesting! For those of us who may not run out and buy the book, can

you explain on what this is based on. Is the calcium in some unusable form

that he's documented? How has this been proven?



Elliot







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Milk question off topic

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:02:43 -0600

--------

On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, T'ainne Segal wrote:



> I am a big milk (1%) drinker and was just told that 90% of the calcium in

> milk cannot be utilized by the body.

> Does anyone know if this is true?

> I take a calcium/mag. subsitute jsut to make sure that I'm getting enough.

> I was told this amazing fact by a vegetarian who consumes no milk products

> and thinks that they are one of the worst things that people can consume so

> I'm hoping that it isn't a ture fact.

>

> Terri

>

 Not only is milk bad for yolu but the excess protein in the mil actually

prevents the utilization of calcium in your body so you are not only not

getting enough calcium but you are poisoning yourself with the milk!





M.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Milk question off topic

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:59:06 -0500

--------

This is contraversial.  To the best of my knowledge, the calcium from

milk can be absorbed but when there is too much protein in the diet- and

milk contributes protein- calcium is excreted.  However sufficient

additional magnesium can probably counteract this problem.  While vegans

can theoretically get enough calcium from green sources, osteoporosis is

frequently a result of a vegan diet.  If a young woman has this kind of

diet in her teens and 20s, when she is supposed to lay down bone for her

later years,  unless she is extraordinarily careful about calcium and

related bone minerals, she is a likely candidate for severe osteoporosis

at a young age.  Soy, for a vegan, incidentally should be fermented- not

tofu or soymilk- because the phytates can bind calcium.  It is fine for

the rest of us.



Milk quality is very important because of the antibiotics and pesticide

residues found in feed, which build up in the cow's fat.  Goat milk is

superior to cows milk and can be assimilated more easily.  It also has a

higher ratio of magnesium to calcium.  I use organic dairy, preferably

goat's milk.  I would prefer raw milk if I could get it, but it isn't

legal in my state. (My father, as a child, could only drink certified raw

milk- he couldn't tolerate pasturized milk.)  Lacking the live raw milk,

buttermilk is the next best thing.



Calcium supplements should probably not be alkaline- like calcium

carbonate.  This alkalinizes the stomach and interferes with the

absorbtion of calcium from food sources.  Calcium orotate is supposed to

avoid this problem.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 01:19:49 -0500 "T'ainne Segal" <seagul1@VOICENET.COM>

writes:

>I am a big milk (1%) drinker and was just told that 90% of the calcium

>in

>milk cannot be utilized by the body.

>Does anyone know if this is true?

>I take a calcium/mag. subsitute jsut to make sure that I'm getting

>enough.

>I was told this amazing fact by a vegetarian who consumes no milk

>products

>and thinks that they are one of the worst things that people can

>consume so

>I'm hoping that it isn't a ture fact.

>

>Terri

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ATTN NEWBIES & OTHER INTERESTED FOLKS: LISTSERV Instructions &

              HERB List Posting Netiquette *LONG*

From: Mary Carter-Johnson <ghjohnson@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 03:08:01 -0500

--------

Greetings HERB folks,



                   ** WARNING - LONG MESSAGE AHEAD! **



                               *****

                             CONTENTS:

                      LISTSERV INSTRUCTIONS

                  HERB LIST POSTING NETIQUETTE

                               *****







     This document was created in the interest of assisting those

     folks who have trouble figuring out where to send their

     LISTSERV Administrative Commands, and the proper Netiquette

     for posting to the HERB List.



          This document is posted by the 7th of each month.



           *************************************************



     Here are some basic rules to keep in mind when you subscribe

     to an e-mail list using the LISTSERV software:



(1)  When you are trying to send an Administrative Command, such as



     SET DIGEST, or SIGNOFF, it should ALWAYS be sent to the

     LISTSERV and NOT to the LIST itself.  If you send this kind of

     command to the list it will not get done, unless one of the

     List Moderators happens to catch it and respond accordingly.



(2)  Send the Administrative Commands to:

     LISTSERV@VM.EGE.EDU.TR or LISTSERV@TREARN.BITNET



(3)  Here are the Administrative Commands you'll use most often,

     with the listserver software. Type them EXACTLY as they are

     worded, or the listserver software may not be able to

     interpret them and will tell you so! :



     SIGNOFF HERB  (To leave the HERB list)

     SET HERB DIGEST (To get one large posting of all the

     individual posts)

     SET HERB NOMAIL (To temporarily stop receiving mail from the

     HERB list if you're going away for a few days)

     SET HERB MAIL (To start your mail from the HERB list back up

     again)

     SET HERB ACK (To receive acknowledgements of your postings to

     the HERB list)

     SET HERB REPRO (To get a copy of your own message so you can

     see that it was properly distributed to the list)

     QUERY HERB (To check your current settings for how you receive

     mail from this list)

     REVIEW HERB (To see who is subscribed to the list, only those

     who have NOT chosen the *CONCEAL* option will be displayed)

     SET HERB CONCEAL (To keep your name from being listed when

     someone sends the REVIEW HERB Command)

     INFO REFCARD (To get more information on Listserv Commands)

     INDEX HERB (To get an index of UNEDITED HERB List Archives--

     you can get an EDITED version of the archives from

     Henriette's Herbal Homepage, see below for the URL)

     GET HERBLOGxxxx (To get an archive file. Put the year and

     month in place of the x's)

     INFO DATABASE (To get a large file of information on how to

     use the HERB List DATABASE)



                    ****** REMINDER ******

     *** When sending administrative commands, LEAVE THE SUBJECT

     LINE BLANK, or you may run into problems getting the computer

     to accept your commands. If you are an AOL subscriber you need

     to have something in the SUBJECT LINE to have your message

     sent successfully.



     Most AOL folks have found that by putting a . (that's a

     period) in the Subject Line they can get the command carried

     out.  So try that if you can't send the message without

     anything in the SUBJECT LINE.  If this doesn't work send your

     request to Henriette Kress, our List Mom--see e-mail address

     in (4) below--and ask her to unsub you.)***





(4)  Henriette, our List Mom, has the ability to UNSUB folks, so if

     you are wanting off the list and having trouble, try

     contacting her first, to see if she can help you.



     Henriette's e-mail address is: HEK@HETTA.PP.FI



(5)  If you're still having problems with sending commands, etc.,

     ask the Moderators for help. The Moderators can unsubscribe

     you or whatever, since they have control of the LISTSERV

     software. You will get a confirmation that your message was

     sent to the moderators.  Be patient, as these are very busy

     folks, just like you!



     The Moderators' address is:  HERB-REQUEST@VM.EGE.EDU.TR



    **************************************************************



         A few BASIC NETIQUETTE RULES for posting to HERB:



(1)  ALWAYS SIGN YOUR POSTS WITH YOUR NAME AND E-MAIL ADDRESS,

     especially if you are asking folks to contact you with

     specific information. There are those subscribers who have

     e-mail programs that remove all headers from the incoming

     messages, so you if don't sign your message, they won't know

     where it came from and where to send you that important

     information that might just answer your question!



(2)  DO NOT SEND ME TOO MESSAGES TO THE LIST!  If you want more

     information contact the poster privately. All of us on the

     DIGEST format would appreciate it!

     (A good reason to SIGN YOUR NAME & E-MAIL ADDRESS at the end

     of your posts!!!)



(3)  CHANGE YOUR SUBJECT HEADINGS IF YOU ARE CHANGING THE TOPIC OF

     THE THREAD.  Sometimes folks post with subject headings that

     don't match their messages! This can be confusing and annoying

     for those of us who might be following a specific thread when

     we come across a message that doesn't match the subject

     heading of that thread!



(4)  When responding to a message, DO NOT RE-QUOTE THE ENTIRE

     MESSAGE. The best thing to do is to manually type in those

     parts of the message which are relevant to your post, if you

     don't know how to use the quoting option on your e-mail

     package.  Those of us on the DIGEST format would appreciate

     it!



(5)  DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS TO THE LIST.  Many folks cannot handle

     large messages, either in cost or in computer memory. And few

     may even have the correct software to "read" an attached file.

     It's useless to send something as an attachment if it no one

     can read it! If you have some information you think others

     might be interested in obtaining, let us know that you have a

     large file of information available, and where to e-mail for

     it.

     (Another GOOD reason for including your NAME & E-MAIL ADDRESS

     at the end of your post!)



(6)  DO NOT SEND PRIVATE MESSAGES TO THE LIST! When you are

     responding to a message check to make sure you have the right

     address in your reply area.  If you just click on REPLY,

     chances are your private message will be posted to the HERB

     list for all to see.  Do you really want everyone reading your

     PRIVATE NON-HERBAL messages?



(7)  THE FOLLOWING ARE CONSIDERED INAPPROPRIATE HERB LIST TOPICS:

     MLM'S, or ANYTHING ELSE NOT DIRECTLY RELATED TO MEDICINAL

     HERBS.

     (See Henriette's "Administriva"  Post at her Herbal Home Page

     for more OFF TOPIC subjects! Instructions for finding your way

     there are given at the bottom of this message.)



(8)  NO ADVERTISING ON THE LIST!  This list is for sharing

     information on HERBS, not selling products, ESPECIALLY MLMS!

     If you do decide to advertise on the list, this is what will

     happen:

          (1)  You will get a warning from Henriette that your

               posts are inappropriate and to cease the

               advertising or be removed from the list.



          (2)  You WILL be UNSUBSCRIBED by Henriette our if you

               continue to advertise on the list despite her

               warning(s).



          (3)  You may also get flamed by the listfolks for trying

               to advertise on the HERB list!



(9)  If you do mention a specific Herbal Product, book, etc., you

     MUST include a disclaimer stating no financial interest and/or

     our are not selling the mentioned product, otherwise folks

     will assume you are ADVERTISING said product.  Go back and

     read (8) to see what happens to folks who insist on trying to

     ADVERTISE on this list!



(10) A Medicinal HerbFAQ is located on Henritette's Home Page at:

     http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediherb.html



     The FAQ contains a large amount of medicinal herb information,

     including books, periodicals and other lists to which you

     might want to subscribe.  Check it out!



     **************************************************************



     For more valuable info of this nature, read the ADMINISTRAVIA

     Post, which can be found at Henriette's Herbal Homepage, which

     is filled with all sorts of herbal-related goodies!



     The URL is: http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed



     Click on Archives, then click on Rules of the Game for the

     complete ADMINISTRAVIA Post, where you'll find lots more

     useful information for what is and isn't acceptable for

     posting on the HERB list, etc.





Please excuse the excessive use of bandwidth, but I hope it was

helpful!



I now return you to your regularly scheduled HERB talk!





Mary

GHJOHNSON@MAIL.CLARION.EDU

************************************************

Original Document Created December 8, 1996     *

Revised: January 7, 1998                       *

c1996, 1997, 1998 m.e. carter-johnson          *

************************************************







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb list archives

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:42:00 GMT

--------

On Fri, 16 Jan 1998 11:34:13 EST, Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>A recent post suggested to "check the archives" for information on previous

>messages to the list. How does one do that? Where are they stored ..or how are

>they requested??  -Elliot



-Edited- monthly list archives from anno dazumal thru to current month -1

(usually) are available in my ftp space, or on my website - go for the archives.



-Unedited- (= including all off-topics, excessive quotings, and other

non-desirables), can be requested from the listserv:

send the text: get herb log9801  (where 98 is the year and 01 is the month)

to: listserv@vm.ege.edu.tr

You can put anything you like into the subject line.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Spelt off topic

From: weed <weed@COLBA.NET>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:08:48 +0000

--------

Marcia Elston wrote:



>  My internet research doesn't turn up much, but it appears that it is still

> grown in some parts of the US and Canada, probably mainly due to the fact

> that these growers' ancestors brought the crop from Europe and it is

> tradition.

>



hello marcia,



just thought i'd throw in my two cents worth: i'm in the process of changing

servers (again!!)

and i don't know if i'll receive your response.



Spelt is an ancestral grain. meaning that it has not been subjected to

hybridization an has remainened structurally the same throughout the

centuries; therefore those consuming it are less subject to allergic

reactions. it is wheat, as it was at the dawn of time.



nutritionally it is superior to wheat - ranking close to buckwheat, and rye.



i find that it has a somewhat nuttier taste than wheat is less bitter and

slightly "softer". this comes from the baker in me!



i am alleric to wheat, and yeast causes me no end of problems; so early most

saturday mornings you'll find me in the kitchen making the weeks' supply of

sourdough spelt bread!



spelt flakes i don't like as they don't develop the creamy texture of oatmeal

while cooking; the whole grain, even when soaked over night before cooking

remains "chewier" than rice. dried spelt pasta doesn't have the resistance of

wheat; i.e. fragile, breaks easily, but overall can't be beat!



        lee.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Deep Muscle Knot-Thanks To All

From: Barbara Birkinbine <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:10:12 EST

--------

Thanks everybody for all the great responses to my post.  I really learned

alot!

I appreciate it when people like Claudia respond with a list of things that

will work because sometimes I don't have 2 out of the 3 items someone might

suggest.



Mike is getting the Magnesium supplements today and he has been using the

mullein compress with capsicum on the calf area.  I will be better prepared to

deal with this next time around ( oh yea,  this is just the beginning of the

sports injuries around here ;-p) and will apply the compress asap.  Thanks

again Caryn, Anita, Peter, Claudia, and Karen.



In a message dated 98-02-05 01:17:06 EST, you write:



<< In a message dated 98-02-03 23:01:07 EST:Claudia wrote in response to a

 question on a sports realted muscle knot :



 << I am thinking that Magnesium would be good to relax muscle tissue -

  either  the mineral form or herbs high in it such as alfalfa, aloe, black

  walnut, blue cohosh, capsicum, catnip, chamomile, comfrey, garlic, ginger,

 gotu kola, hops, kelp, mullein, papaya, parsley, peppermint, red clover,

 valerian,

  wood betony - notice that a few of these herbs are nervines, chamomile,

  hops, valerian, wood betony and mullein also has a calming, relaxing

  effect  -  Take care,  claudia:-)-- >>



 HUH?? do we put these all into one cap - or mix them with the porrige.

 >>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Salve

From: SNYDER NADINE <Nadine.Snyder@COLORADO.EDU>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:32:48 -0700

--------

Hi,



I've been lurking for months and want to say thanks for all the wonderful

info.  I've followed alot of the advice here and have bought many of the

books recommended.  So far I have made a goldenseal tincture, hot infused

chickweed oil and a salve.  And that's the reason I'm jumping in now, the

salve.  I am very new to all of this and was just experimenting and can't

tell you how pleased I am with the results of the salve.  I made it with

the chickweed oil (I used olive oil and sweet almond oil), SJW extract,

beeswax, and spike lavender EO.  I added the lavender hoping for a more

pleasant smell and didn't get it but I figure the soothing qualities of

lavender was worth it anyway.  I hope I'm not forgetting anything I don't

have my notebook here at work.  The consistency is just perfect!



The best part though is that my son has suffered severe eczema all his

life (he's 18 now).  I must have spent thousands of dollars on

dermatologists, internal meds, external creams, lotions you name it he

tried it.  I read where chickweed was supposed to be good for this so I

decided to give the salve a go.  I gave him a jar 6 days ago and told him

to rub it on his legs (where it's most severe).  Last night he told me how

much he loved the salve and that it was really working.  He showed me his

legs and they were noticibly improved.  His only complaint is that the

savle is quite greasy, I expect my complaint will be his greasy sheets.

I told him he should put a beach towel on his bed before he went to bed as

that's the only time he puts the salve on, right before bed.



Anyway, I just thought I'd share how I made the salve since all of you

have been sharing and I've just been quietly ingesting. :)



-Nadine







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Salve

From: Diane Walker <DianaFiona@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:54:13 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-05 11:07:59 EST, you write:



<<

 Anyway, I just thought I'd share how I made the salve since all of you

 have been sharing and I've just been quietly ingesting. :)



 -Nadine

  >>

     It's always great to hear a success story! Now, you *can* make the salve

a bit less greasy by making it into a cream. It's a bit more complicated, but

not much. The basic idea is to beat the salve (At about warm room temp, IIRC.)

with distiled water until it is incorporated, much like making mayo. There are

detailed directions in at least one of Rosemary Gladstar's books, the one with

the title that's something like "Herbal Healing for Women". Try looking those

up at the library, or even a well-stocked healthfood store. You do want to get

the exact details on this process, since they can make a big difference in

whether it works or not--just like in making mayo! ;-)



    Diane Walker







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Salve

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:13:04 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-05 12:07:24 EST, you write:



>  There are

>  detailed directions in at least one of Rosemary Gladstar's books, the one

> with

>  the title that's something like "Herbal Healing for Women". Try looking

> those

>  up at the library, or even a well-stocked healthfood store. You do want to

> get

>  the exact details on this process, since they can make a big difference in

>  whether it works or not--just like in making mayo!



I add

Rosemary's book, and her corresponcence course material  on the subject are

some of the best sources out there for making all sorts of preparations -

properly!!!  the caution that Diane gave relative to folllowing the process to

get the right results is not strong enough.  It is very very very easy to

absolutely waste good herbs and oils and cocoa butter etc. if your don't have

the precisely correct proportions of oil, water, etc.  This is the voice of

some rather expensive first hand experience speaking.  while it is fun to

experiment once you have the "process" down and have made some salves and

creams that came out beautifully,  you do need the road map to do it the first

few times.  Even then, you will find that what you should have as an end

product sometimes doesn't even appear to resemble what you have before you.

For Christmas this year, I gave a number of my family pint bottles of  a

liquid peppermint cream that should have been a solid but didn't come out just

right.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Antibios.

From: Ela Heyn <Ela_Heyn@NOTES.PW.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:39:32 EST

--------

I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what would be good to take with

"heavy duty antibios.", to eliminate problems of gastric upset and/or yeast

infections.  This information is for a friend, who is already taking

acidophilus tabs.  I also suggested stomach calming teas, such as ginger,

catnip, peppermint and chamomile.



She would also like to know how many acidophilus tablets a person is supposed

to take a day.  Can anyone offer any advice, please?  Thanks!



- Ela







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Antibios.

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:47:05 -0500

--------

While on megadoses of antibiotics over an extended period, I found the

following helpful to avoid overgrowth of candida albicans:



Avoid sugar and sweeteners

Vitaldophilus, l/4 tsp. per day (l0 billion ct)

Citrus seed extract 4 times per day

Pau d'arco tea

3-4 garlic cloves per day eaten raw (takes practice)

Avoid fruit juices (too much sugar)

If above isn't sufficient, get an Rx for Diflucan 200 mg daily and have

your liver function checked monthly.  Milk thistle will be very helpful to

help cleanse the liver and keep it in good condition through the ordeal.

Best, Anita



Check out the book "The Yeast Connection" which is likely at your public

library.  They cover whatever I may have left out.

Best, Anita







At 10:39 AM -0500 2/5/98, Ela Heyn wrote:

>I was wondering if anyone could please tell me what would be good to take with

>"heavy duty antibios.", to eliminate problems of gastric upset and/or yeast

>infections.  This information is for a friend, who is already taking

>acidophilus tabs.  I also suggested stomach calming teas, such as ginger,

>catnip, peppermint and chamomile.

>

>She would also like to know how many acidophilus tablets a person is supposed

>to take a day.  Can anyone offer any advice, please?  Thanks!

>

>- Ela







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Antibios.

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:54:57 -0500

--------

I found that blue cheese, or a similar smelly ripe cheese, seems to work

better than yogurt or acidophilous supplements after antibiotics.  My

theory is that the fat helps protect the live organisms in the cheese

until it gets to the gut where you need it.  But I also go to the health

food store and buy one of every kind of yogurt (not always from cows),

some miso, keffir, buttermilk, sauerkraut and fresh olives.  The big gun

antibiotics wipe out everything and we have some 400-500 species of

probiotic organisms to keep happy, so I try a broad band approach.



Take the supplements at least 3x per day, and take extra immediately

after the antibiotics are over.  Use the food based sources liberally,

but not necessarily at the same time.  Supplements should be enteric

coated.  Food should contain fat to protect it from stomach acid. Pay

attention to including live foods after the antibiotics are over, since

raw foods contain soil based probiotic organisms and fermented foods

contain their culturing organisms.  And avoid sugar and refined flour for

some time, because that will feed candida which wants to overgrow while

the beneficial bacterial levels are down.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Spelt

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 08:09:16 -0800

--------

Hello Listbuds,



I've been studying the 12th century mystic/herbalist/musician Hildegard of

Bingen and I am intrigued by her mention of Spelt as the superior grain for

cereals and breads.  Anyone know much about it in our modern world?  I know

that it is still grown as a crop to feed cattle.  It is a relative of wheat

and contains a high percentage of protein.  I'd like to find a source to

try as a breakfast alternative if anyone knows where it might be available.

 My internet research doesn't turn up much, but it appears that it is still

grown in some parts of the US and Canada, probably mainly due to the fact

that these growers' ancestors brought the crop from Europe and it is

tradition.



Thanks.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Spelt

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:31:01 -0500

--------

Marcia,

  Do you have the Latin name for this grain?

  You might try contacting J.L. Hudson, Seedsman(I have the addy if

you do not) and if it is a traditional grain you might contact some

of the Heirloom Seed Sites on the Web...there is an International

Seed Savers...plus many in the US. Additionally I've found Richter's

helpful in answering questions.



Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Spelt

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 09:31:29 -0800

--------

Wow, you guys are great....fast, too!! :-)  Linda, the latin name is

Triticum spelta, and

origin and taxonomy info can be found on splet at

http://newcrop.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1996/V3-156.html#SPELT

for those of you interested.



Thanks a bunch.  Can hardly wait to try it.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Spelt

From: "Sarah E., Flemming" <hitech@SCESCAPE.NET>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 14:01:07 -0500

--------

At 09:31 2/5/98 -0800, Marcia Elston wrote:

>Wow, you guys are great....fast, too!! :-)  Linda, the latin name is

>Triticum spelta, and

>origin and taxonomy info can be found on splet at

>http://newcrop.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/proceedings1996/V3-156.html#SPELT

>for those of you interested.

>

>Thanks a bunch.  Can hardly wait to try it.

>

>Be well,

>Marcia Elston



Marcia, you might want to go by Walton Feeds Website. They carry bulk

grains and dried food and Al the webmaster is great to work with. I've no

commercial interest but love thier site. I got a great hand grinder from

them and want MORE :). Thanks for the news about spelt. I love finding out

what the grains I don't recognize are good for.



BTW before I forget the URL is:



http://www.waltonfeed.com/



Sarah



Sarah Elizabeth, Flemming

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Spelt

From: Diana Anz-Meador <danz-meador@VSTI.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 10:45:58 -0600

--------

Spelt is available in flour form, and in cereals.  It is used by those with

wheat (gluten) allergies, as it is a less allergenic form of wheat. It is also

low in gluten, and is an extremely "soft" flour.  Making bread with it usually

requires the addition of other flours (and if you're allergic to them, you're

in trouble).  It makes a soft, sticky mess of dough, is difficult to get to

rise (at least in high humidity Houston), but tastes good.  Check the health

food stores in your area.  You can get spelt flakes, kamut flakes, and maybe

quinoa flakes.  There are several brands of cereals that combine these "ancient

grains" into a very tasty cereal.  In Houston, even mainstream grocery stores

have them.  If you can't find any other information, email me privately, and

I'll get the addresses off the bags and boxes in the pantry.



Diana Anz-Meador

danz-meador@vsti.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Spelt

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 11:59:34 -0500

--------

Marcia, as I write I have 4 bags of spelt flour in the house for

breadmaking.  And when I go to the local health food store, I'll pick up

some spelt grain for cereal cooking.  It's great for those who need

gluten-free grains and bread.  I just wish I had more spelt bread recipes!!

-Anita



At 8:09 AM -0800 2/5/98, Marcia Elston wrote:

>Hello Listbuds,

>

>I've been studying the 12th century mystic/herbalist/musician Hildegard of

>Bingen and I am intrigued by her mention of Spelt as the superior grain for

>cereals and breads.  Anyone know much about it in our modern world?  I know

>that it is still grown as a crop to feed cattle.  It is a relative of wheat

>and contains a high percentage of protein.  I'd like to find a source to

>try as a breakfast alternative if anyone knows where it might be available.

> My internet research doesn't turn up much, but it appears that it is still

>grown in some parts of the US and Canada, probably mainly due to the fact

>that these growers' ancestors brought the crop from Europe and it is

>tradition.

>

>Thanks.

>

>Be well,

>Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

>Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

>Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

>http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







--



paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Spelt

From: Michelle <rowaan@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:10:19 -0500

--------

At 11:59 AM 2/5/98 -0500, Anita Laine wrote:

>Marcia, as I write I have 4 bags of spelt flour in the house for

>breadmaking.  And when I go to the local health food store, I'll pick up

>some spelt grain for cereal cooking.  It's great for those who need

>gluten-free grains and bread.  I just wish I had more spelt bread recipes!!

>-Anita





http://soar.Berkeley.EDU/recipes/



This site has 26 recipes listed for spelt.  Just do a search..



Warm regards,



Michelle



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Spelt

From: Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@USCOM.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:03:40 -0500

--------

Marcia Elston wrote:

>

>  I'd like to find a source to

> try as a breakfast alternative if anyone knows where it might be available.

>

>

> Hi Marcia,

I buy spelt cereal flakes in my health food store. I'm in the

northeastern US. Jodi







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hypertension

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@LARC.NASA.GOV>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 12:16:47 -0500

--------

Hi Everyone;

I just came from getting my routine checkup for my blood pressure, and I must

sadly say that it is higher (180/120) than it was for the last visit (160/110).

My doctor gave me fluid pills and I stopped taking them completely because

I started

taking Dandelion, Corn Silk, Nettles, Cayenne Pepper, Hyssop, and Parsely.

I must admit

I did gain about 17 pounds. She wants me to go back on the fluid pills and

a diet and exercise

plan. Is there anything I can take naturally within these two weeks to get my

blood pressure down? She wants to see me in two weeks. Any suggestions

would be greatly appreicated.



Blessings and Good Health;

Michelle







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hypertension

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:11:00 -0500

--------

You will want to eat lots of garlic- in medicinal quantities- say at

least 3 cloves per day, minced finely, and to take hawthorne berries in

whatever form you can get them including eating them off of the tree if

they are still around (we still have some in the NE).  Hawthorne and

garlic supplements are also good.  You have to take it consistently.



I'd choose one or two diuretics and drink them in large quantities.  It

may seem counterintuitive, but drinking is important when you are

retaining water.  I would make sure that you get enough herb- an ounce to

a quart infused overnight is not too much.  If the 17 pounds came from

retaining water, you need to consider your doses and whether you might

also need the allopathic meds.  But if it is not all water, the herbal

diuretics may be able to do well in appropriate quantities.



When your blood pressure is down, you can go down to one or two cloves of

garlic per day.  Take it with parsley or something green to kill the

odor.  But monitor your pressure while you are trying the herbal stuff

(you can combine it with medicines) and watch for diabetes.



Exercise and diet are very important.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: Soy

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:34:51 +0000

--------

What part of the country are you in?



West CoastL Mountain Peoples Warehouse.  They are in Auburn CA.



NY City Area:  Island Organics







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Soy

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:26:06 -0500

--------

Try Frontier Cooperative for a good wholesale price on soy beans and

flour.

nci

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Subject: milk question off topic

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 15:00:21 -0600

--------

Would you please list some calcium rich foods besides meat and milk?

My daughter doesn't care for milk and she is 6 1/2 years old. Thanks.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: milk question off topic

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 18:29:24 +0000

--------

calcium sources



green leafy vegetables

shellfish

molasses







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: milk question off topic

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 16:28:35 -0800

--------

At 03:00 PM 2/5/98 -0600, Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

 wrote:

>Would you please list some calcium rich foods besides meat and milk?

>My daughter doesn't care for milk and she is 6 1/2 years old. Thanks.

>



Calcium is found not only in milk and dairy, but salmon (with bones),

sardines, seafood and green leafy vegetables.  Food sources include

almonds, asparagus, blackstrap molasses, brewer's yeast, broccoli,

buttermilk, cabbage, carob, cheese, collards, dandelion greens, dulse,

figs, filberts, goat's milk, kale, kelp, mustard greens, oats, prunes,

sesame seeds, soybeans, tofu, turnip greens, watercress, whey, and yogurt.

Herbs that contain calcium include alfalfa, burdock root, cayenne,

cahamomile, chickweed (great in salads fresh out of the garden), chicory,

dandelion, eyebright, fennel seed, fenugreek, flaxseed, hops, horsetail,

kelp, lemongrass, mullein, nettle, oat straw, paprika, parsley, peppermint,

plantain, raspberry leaves, red clover, rose hips, shepherd's purse, violet

leaves, yarrow and yellow dock.



Whew!



These are from the second edition of Prescription for Nutritional Healing,

James F. Balch, M.D., and Phyllis A. Balch, C.N.C., authors.  I've found

this a valuable reference.  ISBN 0-89529-727-2, trade paperback.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: milk question off topic

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:26:01 -0900

--------

At 03:00 PM 2/5/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Would you please list some calcium rich foods besides meat and milk?

>My daughter doesn't care for milk and she is 6 1/2 years old. Thanks.

>

>

Absolutely.  Get her to eat her spinach.  Greens are rich in calcium.

Leafy lettuce, fresh vegetables.  No problemo.  If all else fails, have her

take a supplement.  Just make sure it is chelated, citrate or colloidal

calcium and that it is accompanied by magnesium.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: milk question off topic

From: Diana Winters <Stellapr@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:15:09 EST

--------

Carrot juice is full of calcium.  Do you have a juicer?  Diane







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: milk question off topic

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:39:19 -0900

--------

At 04:15 PM 2/7/98 EST, you wrote:

>Carrot juice is full of calcium.  Do you have a juicer?  Diane

>

>

Why not just eat a carrot and get the benefit of the other elements in the

vegetable like roughage?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Macrobiotic diet

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:12:57 -0500

--------

Anita-



I generally agree with you that macrobiotic diets are often not

appropriate for people with diabetes in the family, but I remember

Annemarie Colbin discussing a friend of hers who significantly improved

with her version of a macrobiotic diet (which choses foods according to

the 5 elements and may be more balanced than many macrobiotic diets,

although still whole-grain based.).



I personally don't do well on high-grain diets, but apparently even some

diabetics and other people with blood sugar problems do.



Karen Vaughan

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hypertension and diuretics

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 20:35:18 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-05 12:19:40 EST, you write:



> My doctor gave me fluid pills and I stopped taking them completely because

>  I started

>  taking Dandelion, Corn Silk, Nettles, Cayenne Pepper, Hyssop, and Parsely.



Question - are ALL of these in ONE cap or preparation??   If what you are

seeking is simple relief of edema, throw out the store bought stuff and go to

a GOOD herbal supply store for some straight dandelion root, plain or roasted

, go home, make a tea and drink a quart a day. Because it is a root, be sure

to simmer it in a covered pan or tea pot for at least 20 minutes to a half

hour to get the most out of it. You will spend more time than you would like

in the ladies room, but you will lose the water and, in the process, replenish

the nutrients in your system that you may have lost taking the prescription.

Again, simple is sometimes best and the "wonder preparations" that are put out

by the meutraceutical world have not always been known to do what the "dirty

weeds" are supposed to do.





>  I did gain about 17 pounds. She wants me to go back on the fluid pills and

>  a diet and exercise  plan. Is there anything I can take naturally within

these two weeks to get > my  blood pressure down? She wants to see me in two

weeks. Any suggestions

>  would be greatly appreicated.

>

Your thoughts to get off the meds for water is really good.  the things out

there like hydrochlorothyazide and the like are very specific in terms of

their actions, but they strip the system of vital nutrients and minerals

which, unless put back, can cause you to go out of balance in other areas

which is not good.



Exercize is good - lots of it is better - and you can start taking 50 mg of

Co-enzyme Q10 twice a day.  It has the ability to drop your PB a bunch in a

short period of time.



You can also try taking some chromium picolinate as directed on a good brand

bottle.  This will level out your blood sugar levels and give you less of a

craving for foods.  The best thing you can do for yourself is to simply cut

out most of the fats and the sugars and stick to fresh veggies and lean meat

and fish.  Supplement herbally with those things that you are missing from

your diet.  Drink fresh carrot juice and lots of V-8 (nci) to replace whatever

you are now drinking.  If you do alcohol, stop - completely - same for

caffiene - the headache is really a pain for a day or two, but caffiene both

elevates the BP and    affects your digestive process enzymes as well.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hypertension and diuretics

From: "L. Seyler" <Seylerl@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:54:15 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-06 11:05:23 EST, you write:



<< there like hydrochlorothyazide and the like are very specific in terms of

 >their actions, but they strip the system of vital nutrients and minerals

 >which, unless put back, can cause you to go out of balance in other areas

 >which is not good. >>



Could you please advise what nutrients and minerals those on

hydrochlorothyazide should take?



Thanks,

Lisa







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hypertension and diuretics

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 15:54:55 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-06 12:03:20 EST, you write:



<<

 Could you please advise what nutrients and minerals those on

 hydrochlorothyazide should take?



 Thanks,

 Lisa >>





That depends on the dose of hydrochlorothiazide ....which is well known for

its ability to deplete body stores of postassium. For 25mg and above (although

few physicians write for more than 25mg these days),  you may need to take up

to 20mEq potassium a day ...I'll check some studies to be more precise. For

12.5mg (usually ordered in combination with other agents), you probably don't

need to take anything ..although it never hurts to eat a banana a day which is

high in potassium. I do and I don't take any medication.



Elliot Freeman RPh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hypertension and diuretics

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:26:41 +0000

--------

re: Elliot and Potassium from bananas...it never hurts to eat a banana

a day..."



I wish this were true as bananas are very tasty, however, they are

extremly yin, high in sugar and one of the highest pesticide ladden

plants and fruits on the planet. They are treated with fungicides,

often, pesticides and gassed upon entry to the county.  Recently,

there was a big scandal about the reputed Certified Organic Bananas

turning out to not be at all certified organic.



It is no fun being the bearer of bad news.  There may be other

Potassium rich foods tho choose from  The Anino Acid Mineral

preparaton Braggs comes to mind.  I don;t know the actual mineral

compostion of sea vegetables i.e. kelp, nori, hijiki, sea palm,

wakame, arame, and there must be a fiar amount in these foods.  NCI.



wishing all good health.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hypertension and diuretics

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:05:08 -0500

--------

caryn-



Where did you get your information on bananas?  When Mothers and Others

Against the Use of Pesticides in Food came out with their book on

pesticide residues and children's food, they found very little in the

edible part of the banana itself.  They hypothesized that pesticides

might accumulate in higher amounts in the peel, but that bananas were one

of the foods people could generally give children if they had no access

to organic food.



It is still yin and needs balance.  You might want to avoid non-organic

bananas because of the impact on the earth, but I suspect that the

residues are not high in the fruit so long as you leave the peel alone.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:26:41 +0000 caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM> writes:

>re: Elliot and Potassium from bananas...it never hurts to eat a banana

>a day..."

>

>I wish this were true as bananas are very tasty, however, they are

>extremly yin, high in sugar and one of the highest pesticide ladden

>plants and fruits on the planet. They are treated with fungicides,

>often, pesticides and gassed upon entry to the county.  Recently,

>there was a big scandal about the reputed Certified Organic Bananas

>turning out to not be at all certified organic.

>



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Subject: Re: Hypertension and diuretics

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:29:55 +0000

--------

I am glad to hear that the pesticide residue, fungicide residue has

not penetrated to the fruit of this plant.  What the spraying is doing

to the earth, water and air is another story.



I have never seen studies on the actual plant residues of various

pesticides, and I feel better hearing that the food is relatively

safe.



I do know about the spraying from the recent controversey regarding

the false claim about Certified Organic bananas. One of my Trade

Journals did an in depth discussion.



I know they are a favorite "kid food" and having more of the picture

is great.  Thanks for the info.



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: 1.Caffeine, liver; 2.Salves

From: Hugh Roberts <hroberts@ISTAR.CA>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 21:00:58 -0500

--------

I am a lurker, for several months now.

Have been enjoying the sharing and the learning. Thank you all.



Was "stimulated"  to reply on the topic of what now seems to be Caffeine

and the liver.  I read a book some years ago by



 Beata Bishop called "A Time to Heal"



who healed herself of a fast growing lymphoma type cancer  in a clinic in

Mexico.  She is also now a well known Astrologer in England but she doesn't

mention Astrology in her book.  This was the only glaring omission that I

could see, in the treatment, that there was no mind, psychological approach

together with the body therapy and I was happily reassured on discovering

she was an extremely erudite and psychologically minded astrologer, some

years later, hearing her speak in London on Psychoimmunity and Healing.



It is mind blowing.  They did juice, coffee, different types of enemas

every hour on the hour all day long.  Along with an organic wholefood diet

and other stuff I can't remember now.  It is a GREAT read and I highly

recommend it. Mind, blowing. If anyone reads it, please let me know, I

loved that book.



On the topic of SALVES



Nadine,



I wonder if you could share the exact proportions of the ingredients you

used, the salve certainly sounds effective.



 How long has your son used it for now, and how is his skin progressing? Is

it really a cure for him or only improvement??  My partner suffers from

extreme psoriasis on both legs and both arms to the elbows, has done for at

least 30 years.  I am convinced really that it is an internal problem and

that diet and cleansing from within (liver again!) are probably the route

to go.



We stumble along using olive oil, which is also greasy on the sheets.

Not a cure, but appears to cut down on the rapid skin growth/give relieve,

although he says he can't feel anything, not much itch.



I figure all those nerves** are pretty dead by now?  Interestingly, the

psoriaris has moved from the bottom of his feet, where he has none now, and

where it was  excruciatingly itchy , years ago.



Can the nerves  be regenerated, **if this is indeed the case,** does anyone

 know ?



It doesn't really bother him, but I do worry that in the long term it may

point to a something  more systemic, deep seated, chronic, which could

become life threatening as the body runs down, systems wear out?

Any opinions info, knowledge about this idea would be welcome.  Oh, yes and

he has unbelievable gas, indigestion, which he also never complains about.

Candida anyone?  my uneducated guess.



Oh yes, and back to caffeine,



having suffered many times the agonies of 3 or 4 day withdrawal headaches

and am still trying to get off coffee, it is a vasoconstrictor, I agree

with who said that, and those dilated blood vessels are very painful, and

yes, often on Saturdays it used to be, until I realised I was out of

routine of the work day and tracked it down to the absence of coffee.

Liquorice Tea in the afternoon helps if you are trying to wean off.

so yes,

ha,ha,



 ha,ha



absolutely!!!



from

Wendy Gorst

at

hroberts@istar.ca







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 1.Caffeine, liver; 2.Salves

From: SNYDER NADINE <Nadine.Snyder@COLORADO.EDU>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:28:29 -0700

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Wendy,



I'll bring my notebook into work on Monday with the recipe.  So far my son

has used the salve for only about 7 days so it seems more like an

improvement rather than a cure, I'm hoping in the longterm the chickweed

will provide the cure. I'm sure he could use a good cleansing routine but

at 18, a senior in HS, working at a subway shop, partying on weekends and

chasing girls I hardly think his health is much on his mind. :)  He'll

have to wait until, like alot of us, until it's to late to appreciate what

we had.  What's that saying?  "youth is wasted on the wrong people"?



Diane,



Thanks for the tip on turning the salve into a cream.  I'll have to find

the book you mentioned and give it a go.  The recipe for making creams in

Penelope Ody's book "The Complete Medicinal", lists emulsifying ointment

in making creams.  I haven't been able to find any yet.  And what exactly

is this stuff anyway?  Is it safe?



Regards,

-Nadine



>

> On the topic of SALVES

>

> Nadine,

>

> I wonder if you could share the exact proportions of the ingredients you

> used, the salve certainly sounds effective.

>

>  How long has your son used it for now, and how is his skin progressing? Is

> it really a cure for him or only improvement??  My partner suffers from

> extreme psoriasis on both legs and both arms to the elbows, has done for at

> least 30 years.  I am convinced really that it is an internal problem and

> that diet and cleansing from within (liver again!) are probably the route

> to go.

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 1.Caffeine, liver; 2.Salves

From: Diane Walker <DianaFiona@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:56:13 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-06 13:32:44 EST, you write:



<<

 Thanks for the tip on turning the salve into a cream.  I'll have to find

 the book you mentioned and give it a go.  The recipe for making creams in

 Penelope Ody's book "The Complete Medicinal", lists emulsifying ointment

 in making creams.  I haven't been able to find any yet.  And what exactly

 is this stuff anyway?  Is it safe?



 Regards,

 -Nadine

  >>

     You are certainly welcome! As to "emulsifying ointment", that's a new one

on me! Is it possible that she is British or Australian, and that this is a

common item where she lives? One alternate idea, however, might be to use a

bit of liquid lecithin as an emulsifying agent, at least to save failed

creams. It's certainly not harmful, and should even be beneficial for the

skin. Hummmmm, don't think I've got enough left to experiment with--time to

get a new bottle! ;-)



     Diane Walker







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ear Candles

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@ERINET.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 19:42:07 -0800

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Might I suggest an ear oil (garlic & mullein) about 24 hours prior to

candling to help loosen wax, and after candling to help soothe and

protect...?



Ilene







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ear Candles

From: John Goude <nature@EEE.ORG>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:36:34 -0800

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MDLukacs@AOL.COM wrote:



> I don't understand how to use ear candles and why they work.  But I am

> curious, since my 28 year old niece has chronic ear infections in both ears.

> She is constantly doctoring, and constantly taking antibiotics -- and it

> clears up for a couple of weeks, and then it's back again.  I'm very anti

> antibiotics and would like to help her get off this dangerous path the doctor

> has her running down.  Perhaps ear candles could work for her?  Or any other

> suggestions?



When I was in my 20's I started a sinus problem that often obstructed my ears

from draining.  Getting off milk products completely helped a lot.  Finally in my

30's I got allergy shots which has largely stayed the problem.  Try allergy

treatments of some sort.



Get off milk it is loaded with antibiotics and other junk so that they can force

feed cattle things cattle were never meant to eat.  Milk may also cause to much

mucus to form which is like living with a perpetual cold.  This condition then

makes someone easy prey to any respiratory or ear infection that comes along.



--

<>< John Goude ><>            ham: KE6VUB

Yucaipa, CA 92399-5605

e-mail: nature@eee.org        http://www.eee.org/bus/nature







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ear Candles

From: Sara Niccum <Maid4Dh@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:41:24 EST

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Not having anything to do with herb, or ear candles (I have never even heard

of ear candles!) But I am 26 and I just had tubes put in my ears last week.

(For the 2nd time in 4 years!!)  They help alot!  And from what I have been

finding from my doctors, I may just have to keep having the tubes put in every

few years, because in adults, the problem just doesn't go away.

~Sara



In a message dated 98-02-18 21:37:39 EST, you write:



<<

 MDLukacs@AOL.COM wrote:



 > I don't understand how to use ear candles and why they work.  But I am

 > curious, since my 28 year old niece has chronic ear infections in both

ears.

 > She is constantly doctoring, and constantly taking antibiotics -- and it

 > clears up for a couple of weeks, and then it's back again.  I'm very anti

 > antibiotics and would like to help her get off this dangerous path the

doctor

 > has her running down.  Perhaps ear candles could work for her?  Or any

other

 > suggestions?



 When I was in my 20's I started a sinus problem that often obstructed my ears

 from draining.  Getting off milk products completely helped a lot.  Finally

in my

 30's I got allergy shots which has largely stayed the problem.  Try allergy

 treatments of some sort.



 Get off milk it is loaded with antibiotics and other junk so that they can

force

 feed cattle things cattle were never meant to eat.  Milk may also cause to

much

 mucus to form which is like living with a perpetual cold.  This condition

then

 makes someone easy prey to any respiratory or ear infection that comes along.

  >>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ear Candles

From: John Goude <nature@EEE.ORG>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 09:12:14 -0800

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Sara Niccum wrote:



> Not having anything to do with herb, or ear candles (I have never even heard

> of ear candles!) But I am 26 and I just had tubes put in my ears last week.

> (For the 2nd time in 4 years!!)  They help alot!  And from what I have been

> finding from my doctors, I may just have to keep having the tubes put in every

> few years, because in adults, the problem just doesn't go away.

> ~Sara

>

> In a message dated 98-02-18 21:37:39 EST, you write:

>

> <



 When I was in my 20 they would only put tubes in kids ears.  Have you checked out

allergies?!  The scratch test is an ordeal but in my opinioin is worth it.  Have

you tried getting off MILK products for a month or so?  These 2 things made all

the difference for me.  Many doctors over look allergies in their practice of the

art of medicine.  If you do not have to why should you have holes in your ear

drums to cut down on your hearing ability and let in more pathogens?



--

<>< John Goude ><>            ham: KE6VUB

Yucaipa, CA 92399-5605

e-mail: nature@eee.org        http://www.eee.org/bus/nature







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ear Candles

From: Sara Niccum <Maid4Dh@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 02:45:23 EST

--------

Just wondering what Ear Candles are???!?!?!?!

I have never had a problem with hearing.... Just infections.  My hearing is

"excellent" but my eardrums are extremely stretched.  Still wondering about

these *Ear candles* tho!!  What are they??

Sara



In a message dated 98-02-19 13:52:00 EST, you write:



<<

 HI Sarah..just turned 23...had tubes 3 times in my teens..the last

 batch cured me for some crazy reason...they fell out and now I can hear

 almost normally ...



 peter



 On Wed, 18 Feb 1998, Sara Niccum wrote:



 > Not having anything to do with herb, or ear candles (I have never even

heard

 > of ear candles!) But I am 26 and I just had tubes put in my ears last week.

 > (For the 2nd time in 4 years!!)  They help alot!  And from what I have been

 > finding from my doctors, I may just have to keep having the tubes put in

every

 > few years, because in adults, the problem just doesn't go away.

 > ~Sara

 >

 > In a message dated 98-02-18 21:37:39 EST, you write:

 >

 > <<

 >  MDLukacs@AOL.COM wrote:

 >

 >  > I don't understand how to use ear candles and why they work.  But I am

 >  > curious, since my 28 year old niece has chronic ear infections in both

 > ears.

 >  > She is constantly doctoring, and constantly taking antibiotics -- and it

 >  > clears up for a couple of weeks, and then it's back again.  I'm very

anti

 >  > antibiotics and would like to help her get off this dangerous path the

 > doctor

 >  > has her running down.  Perhaps ear candles could work for her?  Or any

 > other

 >  > suggestions?

 >

 >  When I was in my 20's I started a sinus problem that often obstructed my

ears

 >  from draining.  Getting off milk products completely helped a lot.

Finally

 > in my

 >  30's I got allergy shots which has largely stayed the problem.  Try

allergy

 >  treatments of some sort.

 >

 >  Get off milk it is loaded with antibiotics and other junk so that they can

 > force

 >  feed cattle things cattle were never meant to eat.  Milk may also cause to

 > much

 >  mucus to form which is like living with a perpetual cold.  This condition

 > then

 >  makes someone easy prey to any respiratory or ear infection that comes

along.

 >   >>

 >

 >



  >>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Calcium and milk concerns

From: "Rachel E. Harris" <SlappyGrrl@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:48:21 EST

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I've read a few posts saying that not only doesn't milk give you good calcium,

but that it is slowly poisoning the drinker!  This really concerned me,

because I drink a lot of milk.  Why haven't these issues been made more

public?  These posts really took me by surprise.  Also, are the same problems

that are in milk, in cheese and other dairy items?  I eat/drink a lot of dairy

products.  (I'm a teen, so people are always telling me about calcium and

osteoporosis--I take calcium supplements and do the dairy thing a lot.)  So

anyway, here are my questions:



Does it make a difference that I drink skim milk?

Should I start to avoid milk?

What about other dairy products?

Is all of this accurate, or am I just wasting time and making a fool of

myself?



Thank you so much for any answers you have!



-Rachel

   Slappygrrl@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium and milk concerns

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 00:02:14 -0500

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Skim milk is the best unfermented form of nonorganic milk since most of

the toxins are stored in fat.  Buttermilk is a far better form than skim

milk however because the bacteria have modified it and it is a live food.



Cheese and butter should be organic, and limited in quantity.  Yogurt

(plain- Dannon, nci, has a strong acidophilous culture) is equivalent to

buttermilk.



If you are prone to mucus, limit dairy and take it warm with a sharp

spice like cinnamon.  Or give it up altogether.



Goat dairy is healthier for humans than cow dairy, because it has a

better magnesium to calcium balance.  Free range dairy is better than

barn dairy because the animals can eat nettles, burdock, plantain, and

all those other meadow herbs. (In Switzerland they _treat_ respiratory

diseases with the milk from free-range goats who eat some of the herbs we

would recommend directly.)



The overall balance of your diet is probably more important than whether

you have dairy or not.  Many people are allergic to dairy, or at least

sensitive to excess.  Some of this has to do with the low quality dairy

that we find in supermarkets, although organic dairy is finally being

found in supermarkets now.  For others, the fact that milk is a hormonal

food and that they are sensitive to hormones is the determining factor.

For others pasturization creates problems (and then buttermilk would be a

better substitute).  In India, milk is boiled and better tolerated by

many.



If  you have had excessive dairy and excessive animal protein in your

past, you may benefit by giving it up for a period of time.  If that is

not the case, and you have a source of quality dairy and use it in

moderation, you may do well in keeping it.  Supplement with magnesium or

magnesium-rich herbs to prevent excretion of calcium.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Thu, 5 Feb 1998 22:48:21 EST "Rachel E. Harris" <SlappyGrrl@AOL.COM>

writes:

>  So anyway, here are my questions:

>

>Does it make a difference that I drink skim milk?

>Should I start to avoid milk?

>What about other dairy products?

>Is all of this accurate, or am I just wasting time and making a fool

>of

>myself?

>

>Thank you so much for any answers you have!

>

>-Rachel

>   Slappygrrl@aol.com

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium and milk concerns

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:41:31 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-05 23:24:39 EST, you write:



<<

 I've read a few posts saying that not only doesn't milk give you good

calcium,

 but that it is slowly poisoning the drinker!  This really concerned me,

 because I drink a lot of milk.  Why haven't these issues been made more

 public?  These posts really took me by surprise.  Also, are the same problems

 that are in milk, in cheese and other dairy items?  I eat/drink a lot of

dairy

 products.  (I'm a teen, so people are always telling me about calcium and

 osteoporosis--I take calcium supplements and do the dairy thing a lot.)  So

 anyway, here are my questions:



 Does it make a difference that I drink skim milk?

 Should I start to avoid milk?

 What about other dairy products?

 Is all of this accurate, or am I just wasting time and making a fool of

 myself?



 Thank you so much for any answers you have!

  >>



I ADD:



Most people associate milk with good health ...its natural. But when you think

about what's natural, that should really only apply to young calfs. Milk may

or may not be healthy for humans. In Paul Bergner's book "The Healing Power of

Minerals, Special Nutrients, and Trace Elements", he points out that milk is

the common food that causes sensitivities. Bergner quotes one ear, nose, and

throat doctor as saying that he could prevent 25% of a certain surgical

procedure (placement of a tube in a child's ear for ear infection) by

screening for cow's milk allergies. When someone who is "sensitive"  consumes

milk, it "evokes a powerful immune response in the gut" and the circulating

white blood cells rush to the site ..causing a 40% drop in WBC count. He

claims many infections are caused in this way and in his experience he found

it rare for person who did not drink milk to have a sinus headache and that

many infections clear up by removing milk and cheese from the diet. In one

account, he indicated that a patient who had suffered lifelong infections and

immune disorders, including lupus occurred because she had been fed cows milk

too early as an infant. Removal of dairy products (this does not include

butter) "put a halt to her most serious lupus symptoms."



While this is not on the discussion of calcium (which is an off list

discussion in itself), I thought the above information would be of interest

..and important for many people who may be allergic to milk (actually its the

casein in milk).



Getting back to the topic, it would be helpful to learn how it was determined

that calcium in milk does not get absorbed and that it depletes other

nutrients ..or slowly poisons the individual. What studies can be cited? What

clinical evidence is there??



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium and milk concerns

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 19:06:35 -0500

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The quality of milk is a probable component in milk sensitivities.

Pesticides, growth hormones, antibiotics, homogenization, storage and

other issues have been identified by a number of authors as problems.

But we now have a variety of sources of organic nonhomogenized milk in

many communities, including organic goatmilk.  Unfortunately there is

rarely information on whether the animals are free range- and able to eat

herbs, which do affect the milk.  The best way is to ask an organic dairy

vendor at your local farmer's market.  In any event, it is worth

experimenting if you enjoy dairy.  Allergy could be to either the dairy

or its contaminants or modifications via homogenization. And it is also

important to get calcium and associated minerals from green sources as

caryn listed.



As far as other animals not eating milk, it may have more to do with the

fact that they can't get to it than anything else.  Susun Weed says that

she regularly puts out saucers of goats milk in the wild area near her

farm and all the adult wild animals who can get it will drink it.



Michael Tierra says that cinnamon  or ginger and honey in warm milk will

counteract some of its mucus-forming characteristic.  In India, warm milk

is taken daily, cheese is baked and yogurt is only taken in hot seasons.

Hindu cultures tend to consider milk a perfect food and it is a staple of

most yogic diets ( they treat their cows better too).  But it is easy to

overdo, especially in our "open the refrigerator and gulp it down"

culture.  It only has too much protein if your overall diet has too much

protein, and see my note on magnesium below.



I suspect that the indigestibility of the milk calcium concerns are

theoretical rather than clinical.  I haven't seen anything persuasive as

to whether the minerals are absorbed or not.  I have seen some research

abstracts somewhere indicating that magnesium supplementation counteracts

the effect of calcium being excreted in the presence of high protein.



But you can always get your bone minerals from leafy greens,  oatstraw/

nettle/ rasberry leaf infusions and infused vinegars if dairy causes

problems.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:41:31 EST Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM> writes:

> Bergner quotes one ear, nose, and

>throat doctor as saying that he could prevent 25% of a certain surgical

>procedure (placement of a tube in a child's ear for ear infection) by

>screening for cow's milk allergies. When someone who is "sensitive"

>consumes milk, it "evokes a powerful immune response in the gut" and the



>circulating white blood cells rush to the site ..causing a 40% drop in

WBC count.

>He claims many infections are caused in this way and in his experience

he

>found it rare for person who did not drink milk to have a sinus headache

and

>that many infections clear up by removing milk and cheese from the diet.

In

>one account, he indicated that a patient who had suffered lifelong

>infections and immune disorders, including lupus occurred because she

had been >fed cows milk too early as an infant. Removal of dairy products

(this does not

>include butter) "put a halt to her most serious lupus symptoms."



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium and milk concerns

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:31:50 -0600

--------

On Thu, 5 Feb 1998, Rachel E. Harris wrote:



> I've read a few posts saying that not only doesn't milk give you good calcium,

> but that it is slowly poisoning the drinker!  This really concerned me,

> because I drink a lot of milk.  Why haven't these issues been made more

> public?  These posts really took me by surprise.  Also, are the same problems

> that are in milk, in cheese and other dairy items?  I eat/drink a lot of dairy

> products.  (I'm a teen, so people are always telling me about calcium and

> osteoporosis--I take calcium supplements and do the dairy thing a lot.)  So

> anyway, here are my questions:

>

> Does it make a difference that I drink skim milk?

> Should I start to avoid milk?

> What about other dairy products?

> Is all of this accurate, or am I just wasting time and making a fool of

> myself?

>

> Thank you so much for any answers you have!

>

> -Rachel

>    Slappygrrl@aol.com

>



Stuff like concerns about milk don't become well known because of the

huge lobby of the dairy indsutry which has billions of dolaares. Doctor

Spock came out a couple of years ago and corrected an assumption of his

that milk is good food. He now says that now one should drink cows milk

unless they are a cow!



The problems with coes milk are"



1) It is too high in protein and that means it is hard to digest. This

robs calcium from your body



2) It creates a lot of mucus in the body and that is the toxic effect.



3) Homegenized milk has an enzyme, XO, in it which is a free radical and

which has been linked to heart disease. It is thought to cause damage to

the arteries and by creating damage it sets up a process where calcium

and other materials can attach themsleves to the arteries and cause

plaque which is associated with heart disease!





M.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium and milk concerns

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 18:50:40 +0000

--------

reL why the public has not heard much about Milk and Illness:



My answer is probalby the effectiveness of the Dairy Lobby, and the

fact that it is a major Industry all over the country.



The McDougal Diet addresses some of the illness connections with

Dairy.  You might want to read the book to form your own opinion.



Think of the dollars in advertising that goes into Coke and Pepsi ads.

Each 8 oz beverage contans 8 teaspoons of sugar.



These beverages are very easy to become addicting.  Now that the FDA

has the cigarette industry on the run, do you think it will turn it's

attention to the Soda Industry?  In deterious healht effects, this

industry causes a lot of harm.



The same can be said for Dairy.  Most Asians do not produce any

enzymes to digest this drink.  Man is the only animal that drinks milk

past infancy.



And, some people do very well on dairy and have no health problems

with this food group.  As a child, my mother and father forced me to

drink it and I HATED MILK.  I would sit crying at the dinner table

pleading for them to relent.  I suffered colds, frequent bronchitis,

diarrhea, gas and constant mucus draining from my sinus all through my

youth. We should have ouned stock in Kleenex.    It was not fun.  As

they lived through the depression and felt they were feeding me

healthy food, the wisdom of a child could not penetrate adult logic

and authority.  The doctors told them milk was good for a growing

child, and milk was what I was to drink.  It is amazing how inately

wise a child can be about some things.



My best advice is to experiment "not drinking or eating dairy" and see

how you feel over a two or three month period.  If you notice little

health problems begin to clear up, you may have some answers.



Calcium Teas of Alfalfa, Nettle, Horsetail etc. and green leafy vegies

such as bok choy, chard, broccoli greans, msutard, dandelion greens

etc. should give enough calcium to keep your bones healthy.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium and milk concerns

From: Alan Willoughby <awilloby@ENTERNET.CO.NZ>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 10:17:31 +0000

--------

Hi All



Can anyone confirm that milk which has been made into natural yoghurt

(e.g. by using any of the commercially available yoghurt making

powders - nci) is OK for people rather than cows only?  I'm not a

cow, but do eat a lot of natural home made yoghurt, having given up

other sources of milk.  I have been told that yoghurt is OK - is it?



Alan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium and milk concerns

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 14:29:35 -0600

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post:

I've read a few posts saying that not only doesn't milk give you good calcium, but that it is slowly poisoning the drinker!  



I ADD:

One thing this discussion has ignored is the additives the milk industry puts in the milk while making it "safer" for us.  If you must drink milk get from the health food store or from a neighbor with a cow/goat/sheep/horse.  Even goats milk if it is "commercial" is treated.



I have a good friend who can not drink commercially produced milk, ie. from the grocery store.  The has very strong allergic reaction to it.  How ever she has no problems with raw milk..... Seems she is allergic to the chemical, essentaially formaldehyde, which is put in minute amounts into the milk to reduce the bacteria counts.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calcium and milk concerns

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:38:03 -0900

--------

At 10:48 PM 2/5/98 EST, you wrote:

>I've read a few posts saying that not only doesn't milk give you good

calcium,

>but that it is slowly poisoning the drinker!  This really concerned me,

>because I drink a lot of milk.



This is definately NOT the final answer on milk.  Your own genealogy has

alot to do with how well you assimilate milk.  It depends on your genetic

background.  However, homogenized milk is worse for you than fresh from the

cow, raw milk.  Many people drink milk with no adverse problems whatever.

Many people do better without it.  At any rate, we don't really NEED all

that much milk.  There ARE excellent and maybe better sources of calcium

from other foods.  DO take a calcium supplement.  Your teeth and bones will

love you for it.  If you ever get pregnant, you'll be glad you did.  Eating

fish and green leafy vegetables is excellent.  Avoiding sugars is a really

good idea.  It leaches calcium and other nutrients from your body.  Meat

eaten in moderation is not a big problem as long as you maintain balance.

Most of your diet should be from fresh and cooked vegetables using meat and

oils like a condiment.  Where there is balance, you will assimilate your

nutrients.  Balance is more the key that what you eat.  I know this

disagrees with alot of hard core vegetarians and others but it's what I've

discovered in life.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: 1.Cabbage Soup Diet (long) 2. Herbs for Menopause (even longer?)

From: Hugh Roberts <hroberts@ISTAR.CA>

Date: Thu, 5 Feb 1998 23:14:57 -0500

--------

1.

Would anyone like to comment on the  nutritional value of  "The Cabbage

Diet" which is sweeping the world and the net and all overweight types like

myself.  It is called "fat burning" and claims to lose you up to 17 lbs in

one week.   Surely that would be impossible, if not dangerouos??



1 cabbage

6 onions



2 green pepers

1 large can tomatoes or diced

1 bunch celery

1 pkg Lipton soup

1/2 cubes bouillion

1 lge can V8 juice

season to taste



eat all the soup you want, whenever you want



Day 1

fruit (not bananas) and soup

Day 2

veggies, baked potatoe/buter soup

Day 3 same as day 1 and 2 but no potatoe

Day 4

6 bananas- all skim milk you want, soup

Day 6

up to 20 ounces beef, 6 tomatoes/tomatoe products, 6-8 glasses water, soup

Day 7

brown rice, fruit juices, vegetables, soup



stay off the diet for at least 2 days before starting again



especially as I am hypoglaecemic, I don't really think it is a great idea

to have no protein for 4 days.

also, verging on an arthiritic condition I feel, sore finger joints,

back/muscle pain maybe the tomatoes aren't such a good idea also??



(And now for the clincher -

how about the same as above (which I found on the samet net page)



....wait for it



        .....without the soup!!!





no, seriously,

they are really serious about it

and not only that

there is no brown rice on day 6

and no potaoe on day 2

and the meat is limited to 12 oz not 20)



Anyhow, back to the Cabbage Soup Diet



it is my hunch that they are trying to mobilise the body metabolism

somehow, by turning it from acid to alkaline and maybe the shock value is

like a wake up call??  Would the bananas have something to do with

potassium and forcing water loss in a natural sort of way?  Would using

herbal water pills at the same time enhance the effects greatly??the ones I

have contain buchu leaf, Uva Ursi, Juniper Berries, Celerey Seed,  and

parsley.



However, not being a nutritionist I would love some biochemical input on

the nutritional value, or otherwis the cabbage soup diet provides.

Apparently  is used for heart patients prior to surgery if overweight - at

somewhere called the Sacred Heart Memorial Hospital.



2.

Herbs for Menopause



In my own experience Black Cohosh and Dong Quai.  They work.

believe me, they do work....



It is my understanding they are not estrogen therapy as such, not a

replacement exactly, however, they interact to produce Phytoestrogens which

are the things you are beginning to be short of.



In fact, I took some as instructed on the bottle, 1-2   x 3 times a day for

a month or so and now I don't  appear to need them any longer.  I am

watching the transiting planets  and was experiencing a particularly fierce

Mars to my Moon Jupiter which I feel had a lot to do with the extremity of

the condition, as well as recovering from a violent long and acute illness

which made me confuse hot flashes for a feverish temperature.  All I can

say is , hot flashes are not fun!!!



the Black Cohosh I have is 540 mg in capsules

Dong Quai (angelica sinensis) is 500 mg in capsules



do experiment with what is best for you. I also did not have any idea of

dosages.

This is purely my  own experience, can only suggest you follow what you

feel is OK for you.  Also Ginseng is good.



And whatever you do, don't forget your oils,  EFAs, Evening Primrose, Vit.

E and Flax Seed Oil, most important.  Flax Seed comes in caps. 1,000 mg and

also you can mix the oil with some butter and won't notice any difference.



Calcium (Cal/Mag in combination)



a good multivitamin/mineral won't harm either, get one including  fairly

strong B complex say 50 mg  1 a day.

That is my own preference, anyhow.



Wendy Gorst

hroberts@istar.ca







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 1.Cabbage Soup Diet (long) 2. Herbs for Menopause (even

              longer?)

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 11:43:26 -0900

--------

At 11:14 PM 2/5/98 -0500, you wrote:

>1.

>Would anyone like to comment on the  nutritional value of  "The Cabbage

>Diet" which is sweeping the world and the net and all overweight types like

>myself.  It is called "fat burning" and claims to lose you up to 17 lbs in

>one week.   Surely that would be impossible, if not dangerouos??

>

>1 cabbage

>6 onions

>

>2 green pepers

>1 large can tomatoes or diced

>1 bunch celery

>1 pkg Lipton soup

>1/2 cubes bouillion

>1 lge can V8 juice

>season to taste



Holy cow, that's alot of sodium!!! It would be better to make the soup and

juices from fresh sources without all the sodium and additives from the

processed foods.



>

>eat all the soup you want, whenever you want

>

>Day 1

>fruit (not bananas) and soup

>Day 2

>veggies, baked potatoe/buter soup

>Day 3 same as day 1 and 2 but no potatoe

>Day 4

>6 bananas- all skim milk you want, soup

>Day 6

>up to 20 ounces beef, 6 tomatoes/tomatoe products, 6-8 glasses water, soup

>Day 7

>brown rice, fruit juices, vegetables, soup

>

>stay off the diet for at least 2 days before starting again

>

>especially as I am hypoglaecemic, I don't really think it is a great idea

>to have no protein for 4 days.



I would NOT recommend this diet for a hypoglycaemic!!!You're asking for

trouble.



>also, verging on an arthiritic condition I feel, sore finger joints,

>back/muscle pain maybe the tomatoes aren't such a good idea also??



Probably not.  Too much salt too.

>

>(And now for the clincher -

>how about the same as above (which I found on the samet net page)

>

>....wait for it

>

>        .....without the soup!!!

>

>

>no, seriously,

>they are really serious about it

>and not only that

>there is no brown rice on day 6

>and no potaoe on day 2

>and the meat is limited to 12 oz not 20)

>

>Anyhow, back to the Cabbage Soup Diet

>

>it is my hunch that they are trying to mobilise the body metabolism

>somehow, by turning it from acid to alkaline and maybe the shock value is

>like a wake up call??  Would the bananas have something to do with

>potassium and forcing water loss in a natural sort of way?  Would using

>herbal water pills at the same time enhance the effects greatly??the ones I

>have contain buchu leaf, Uva Ursi, Juniper Berries, Celerey Seed,  and

>parsley.

>

>However, not being a nutritionist I would love some biochemical input on

>the nutritional value, or otherwis the cabbage soup diet provides.

>Apparently  is used for heart patients prior to surgery if overweight - at

>somewhere called the Sacred Heart Memorial Hospital.

>

>2.

>

If you're losing 17 pounds in a week, it's NOT fat.  It's probably mostly

water.  There's only so much you CAN lose per week.  Also if you lose

muscle, it will show as more weight loss than if you are just losing fat

since muscle weighs more than fat.  I'd say you lose muscle on this diet.

Sounds like a FAD.

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Shephard's Purse

From: JanieSue Shu <JanieSue56@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 01:43:45 EST

--------

Can someone tell me what Shephard's Purse is used for?  I know it has

medicinal uses but can't find my notes on it.

Thanks

JanieSue







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Shephard's Purse

From: "M. Lyttle" <NatHealer@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 12:23:22 EST

--------

it is used to stop hemorrhages of all kinds internally. according to my

references.

michelle







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Shephard's Purse

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:49:58 EST

--------

Use it as an infusion for bleeding, internal or external.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Shephard's Purse

From: "H.D. Nostrum" <Drhayim@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:33:32 EST

--------

Sorry I'm late ----



Shepherds Purse  is used for. Post birth contraction of the uterous, very

effective and safe (also to stop bleeding).  Take  infusion 2-4 times a day.

Also for women who have long period and spoting, which can affect fertility.





take care



D. H.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Yohimbe

From: Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 09:06:46 -0600

--------

A couple of years ago I was able to purchase yohimbe in bulk from our local

herb co-op.  I am not finding it in their catalogue.  They consistently

have everything that I need, but this one has me stumped. Did the FDA pull

yohimbe whilst I was not looking?



Any advice to possible suppliers or information in general will of course

be greatly appreciated.



Thanks in advance!



Christina Paul



sekhmet@netins.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Yohimbe

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 10:27:12 EST

--------

San Francisco Herb & Natural Food has yohimbe wholesale ---510-770-1215 or

800-227-2830



The Herb Basket (PA) has it retail: 717-898-6334



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network

http://www.herbnet.com & http://www.herbworld.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Yohimbe

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:05:58 +0000

--------

To my knowledge, this herb is still in circulation.



Try Trinity Herb in teh 707, Pacific Botanicals in the 503 or 541, or

do a websearch under that herb name.



I would caution small and infrequent doses as it can burn out the

lower burner (TCM talk)



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Where to find Sprouted Broccoli Seeds

From: Mary Carter-Johnson <ghjohnson@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 11:52:49 -0500

--------

Hi folks!



Yes, it's an actual posting from me instead of my usual lurk mode

and monthly listserv & netiquette posting! ;)



Anyway, someone, I forget who now, (sorry bout that!) was asking

about where they could buy sprouting broccoli seeds.  Johnny's

Selected Seeds, Albion Maine, (NO Commercial Interest) sells the

broccoli seeds, along with several other kinds of sprouting seeds,

and they also sell a seed sprouter for all those seeds!



The broccoli seeds are sold in the following quantities:

1/4 lb. for $5.75, 1 lb. $18 and 5 lb. for $16



You can access Johnny's on the web at:



http://www.johnnyseeds.com



If you want to order by email the address is

homegarden@johnnyseeds.com





They have a great catalog with all kinds of stuff, just wish I had

the $$$ to buy some of it!  And just to keep this all Herb-related

;), they do sell herbs including several varieties of Echinacea and

herb equipment & supplies such as glass bottles, jars, metal tins,

etc..



** Again, I have NO COMMERCIAL INTEREST in this catalog or the

broc. seeds, just passing along some, useful (I hope) info! **



Okay, retreating back into my usual *lurk mode* for now.....



Mary

GHJOHNSON@MAIL.CLARION.EDU





                   **************************



        Perform Random Acts of Kindness & Senseless Beauty



                   ***************************







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: starlight international

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 14:20:32 EST

--------

I have friends that are distributors and have all the information on the

products (they wanted to sign me up)...and I've tried their diet products as

well.  They want no internet exposure and have made it very clear to their

distributors that they would take away their affiliation if they do promote on

the net.



Actually, the diet products are the same as everyone else's.....lots of

ephedra....



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: starlight international

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 19:19:02 +0000

--------

I would stay away from ingested herbal products that are high in

ephedra, guarana, caffeine as they overamp the adrenals and deplete

the Kidney Chi (energy)



As the FTC is watching the Inernet very closely for claims associated

with products, it does not surprise me that this company wants to stay

out of the courts.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: starlight international

From: Rick Van Benschoten <RickVanBen@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 10:34:35 EST

--------

In a message dated 2/6/98 1:51:42 PM, you wrote:



<<has anyone had any experience with an MLM called starlight international

(nci)?  a friend gave me a sample of their product called Alert (contains

Schisandra berry, chinese white ginseng, guarana, adrenal concentrate,

potassium glycero-phosphate, coenzyme Q10 in a base of siberian ginseng and

spirulina). it made a wreck of me, perhaps the combo of ginseng and guarana

is what did it.



my friend is thinking of getting involved with this group and i'm wondering

if anyone has even heard of them, i can't find anything on the web,

magazines, etc.>>



I've been taking Starlight's Lifeguard (nci), an antioxidant compound, will no

ill, and seemingly some very good, effects.  My aunt, who swears by their

products, recommended it.  Her friend was apparently nearly cured of lifelong

chronic allergies with it.  My fiancee tried Alert but gave it up quickly: she

said she felt more tired than without it.  Since caffienated beverages make

her tired, it was probably the guarana that did it.  I tried Alert for a few

days but stopped when I realized it contained adrenal concentrate (I'm

vegetarian) so I have no direct results to report.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Caffeine

From: Hugh Roberts <hroberts@ISTAR.CA>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:38:48 -0500

--------

Jessyka



My answer was not meant to not be serious, the "ha, ha", was really in

response to "that post"; which I took to and did mean myself,  to convey

deep cynicism, not at all anything superficial.  I feel that Caffeine

withdrawal is a very serious problem, especially considering most of  the

population are probably addicted to coffee (without know they are).



Now back to something more scientific. Some years ago, circa 1975/1976 I

researched caffeine and received a 7 page print out of studies and medical,

biochemical information from the ARF (Alcohol and Drug Addiction Research

Founcation) which is connected with the Clarke Insitute of Psychiatry here

in Toronto, Ontario, Canada which did indeed confirm the serioussness of

caffeine addiction.  Now, whether you can say it is addiction in the same

way as drugs, etc. not sure of the proper terminology.



For instance, marijuana is said "not" to be addictive.  But I have always

felt that is a misnomer.  Never sure how they are usuing these words.

Just as the debate rages more recently, is food able to be an addiction,.

by virtue of the fact that it is food?? Get the point?



Sorry I can't quote any statistics right now.  I am sure others on this

list have facts and figures to hand.



Now, will someone tell me how to get off coffee?  I really don't want to,

and its been a long time in the tryin, but I know I must, my body won't

take too much more of it and I have a lot of work I want to do with the

rest of my life.  And won't be able to do any of it if I keep on poisoning

myself.



Oh yes, and my herbalist said that the oils in coffee were the thing too,

so even if you take decaffeinated coffee, the oils will still get to you.

Along with whatever de-decaffeinating agent was used, i.e., bleach, etc.



Wendy Gorst

at

hroberts@istar.ca

come.to/astrology







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Caffeine

From: Rosemary Anthony <a.rosemary@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 20:49:40 -0700

--------



Hi, Wendy,



 I got off coffee very gradually.  At first I decided that I really didn't need it

in the morning, since I'm not a morning person neither coffee nor an earthquake could

really get me going, anyway. So I would just have one cup of decaffeinated coffee

in the afternoons.

        Then I heard someone say that teas offered a much more subtle flavor that I really

couldn't appreciate because my tastebuds were being lambasted by coffee.

        So I started to switch over to tea with a little milk rather than capuccino. As

I did, I started to notice that sure enough, tea really did have a very nice fragrance

and flavor.

        I read about tea and realized that all black teas as well as green teas are from

the cammelia sinesis plant (hope my spelling is correct). Rationalizing, once again

(or should I call it reverse rationalizing?) I reasoned that trying other types of

teas made from other flowers, leaves and fruits might be just as enjoyable.

        Recently I discovered that chamomile tea in bulk has a lovely flowery scent and

its effect on you is to make you feel relaxed and content, rather than hyper with

jangled nerves.

        There you have it.  That was my psychological transition that got me off coffee

and onto something more soothing.

        Over time, the cravings and headaches go away.  When I want the coffee flavor now,

I have a mixture of chicory, barly, orange peel, carob, etc. which more or less brews

like coffe and tastes very similar.

        Good luck!





Rosemary

a.rosemary@mailexcite.com



PS I have always wondered about the word addiction.  We are addicted to food in the

sense that we have to have it.





>  Never sure how they are usuing these words.

>Just as the debate rages more recently, is food able to be an addiction,.

>by virtue of the fact that it is food?? Get the point?

>

>

>Now, will someone tell me how to get off coffee?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Caffeine

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 23:38:59 -0500

--------

Hi, Wendy



>>Now, will someone tell me how to get off coffee?  I really don't want

to,

and its been a long time in the tryin, but I know I must, my body won't

take too much more of it and I have a lot of work I want to do with the

rest of my life.  And won't be able to do any of it if I keep on

poisoning

myself.<<



Something that worked for me was gradually replacing coffee with

one of the coffee substitutes you get at the health food store.  It is

not

good to stop coffee all at once, but to gradually wean yourself off.

I got some Roma (no commercial interest) at the HFS, started with

1/2 cup coffee, 1/2 cup roma, then gradually decreased coffee and

increased roma, and found that, just as I developed a taste for Coffee,

I finally developed a taste for Roma.



Since coffee can be one of those things that we enjoy as a comforting

habit at certain times of the day, at least in my case that is so,

finding another good habit to replace it can work nicely, whether

it be the Roma or perhaps some herbal tea.  I would also add

that if you are drinking it to get a "lift" between meals, have a peice

of fruit before or after your cup of Roma or tea.  That will raise

your blood sugar a bit and give you some of the energy you are

looking for from coffee.



Hope you do well with this - yes, the oils are a real problem

in the coffee - bad for the heart, etc.  Let us know how you make

out.



claudia:-)

--

"A cheerful heart is good medicine.." Prov. 17:22a

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.angelfire.com/nj/meydrechhome

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW combination/Wild Oat

From: Rosemary Anthony <a.rosemary@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Feb 1998 23:11:15 -0700

--------



It is interesting to note that the combination has helped you.  I am feeling calmer

and more optimistic since using  Wild Oat Bach Flower Remedy.  It is recommended

as a remedy for the feeling that life has passed you by. (The Bach flower Remedies

are very specifically targeted to ease particular types of thought patterns)



Rosemary

a.rosemary@mailexcite.com



>At 01:47 PM 2/5/98 EST, you wrote:

>>I am sorry because I know this has probably been covered to death but I

>>lost my web access and cannot get into the archives.

>>

>>Started onSJW (stress-induced depression and anxiety) and was not at all

>>sure what to start with (straight or a blend, tincture or capsule, etc.)

>>So I picked up a product called Phyto-Proz tincture by Gaia herbs (nci)

>>at the store because that was what the herbal pharmacist recommended and

>>I couldn't think straight.  Started it yesterday and I at least feel a

>>little calmer and had noticed a really subtle difference in my ability to

>>get out of bed this morning.

>>

>>It contains - Kava Kava Root (anxiety), SJW flower buds, Passionflower

>>(sedative), Chinese Schizandra Berry (liver protection), Wild Oats

>>(anxiety), Calmus Root (tranquilizer), Siberian Ginseng (energy), Nettle

>>Seed, Prickly Ash Bark and Gotu Kola leaf and root (all for detox).  It

>>does not give percentages.  Recommended dosage is 30-50 drops up to 4

>>times a day.  (I did 3 doses yesterday).  I find that the horrible taste

>>is almost pleasant now which I hope means that it is going to help me.

>>

>>Just curious if anyone has any input on this product or these ingredients

>>or if there is a better way to take SJW.

>>

>>It was $12.50 (incl tx) for a 1 oz. bottle.

>>

>>Thanks,

>>Kimberly

>

>This sounds like a pretty complete formulation to me.  Although I don't

>have experience with Schizandra berry.  How long does the herbal pharmacist

>recommend you take this?

>

>I think it was Peter (?) who mentioned taking SJW infused oil internally.

>I'd like to hear more on this.  I use the SJW infused oil topically a lot

>and I think taking the infused oil might be better for some of us than the

>capsules or tincture.  Peter (and others), could you comment further on

>this, please?

>

>Thanks.

>

>Be well,

>Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

>Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

>Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

>http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SJW combination/Wild Oat

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:00:39 -0600

--------

Rosemary,

I have been reading on BAch flower remedy.  I haven't been

able to decide which flower remedy would be best for me.

As you can see, I was looking at "unable to make decisions."

The one for confidence struck me also as a possibility.

Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Calcium and Milk Concerns

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@ERINET.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 08:32:11 -0800

--------

For some clear and concise information, I suggest John Robbin's _Diet

for a New America_ : the chapter "The Rise and Fall of the Protein

Empire".



Ilene







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Essiac Tea and Blood pressure           l

From: Diana Winters <Stellapr@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 16:11:55 EST

--------

Does anyone know if essiac tea can effect the blood pressure.  My blood

pressure has been steadily rising since I started drinking this tea a year

ago.  Diane







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Essiac Tea and Blood pressure           l

From: Mara Jade <akalo@UIT.NET>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 07:16:50 -0600

--------

Try not drinking that tea for a while and see if it goes down again.   One

tea I can't vouch for  in green tea.   I changed over to green tea instead

of black teas and my blood pressure went down.  I don't know that green tea

actually aids in lwering blood pressure, but  i can vouch for it not

raiseing it.  plus green tea  doesn't have tannins in in like black tea or

coffee does.  good luck.



Mara Jade

akalo@uit.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Essiac Tea and Blood pressure           l

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:38:29 -0900

--------

At 04:11 PM 2/7/98 EST, you wrote:

>Does anyone know if essiac tea can effect the blood pressure.  My blood

>pressure has been steadily rising since I started drinking this tea a year

>ago.  Diane

>

>

It should not affect blood pressure this way.  If it affects it at all it

should lower blood pressure.  There must be some other element that is

causing the blood pressure rise.  Check your diet.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 17:02:26 -0500

--------

I have a description of Rosemary Gladstar's correspondence course on

medical herbs, received in the mail today.  She mentions a few things I

need clarification on before I sign up.



  Has anyone on the list studied under Rosemary?  If so, perhaps you

wouldn't mind giving me a steer.



Thanks, Anita





--



paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:33:31 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-07 16:52:00 EST, you write:



> I have a description of Rosemary Gladstar's correspondence course on

>  medical herbs, received in the mail today.  She mentions a few things I

>  need clarification on before I sign up.

>

>    Has anyone on the list studied under Rosemary?  If so, perhaps you

>  wouldn't mind giving me a steer.

>

>  Thanks, Anita

>

Anita,



What is the question??  Chris and Kerry here at New England Herbal both have

taken the correspondence courses and Kerry has also taken the "intensive" up

at Sage Mountain.  Kerry and Betty have also accompanied her to Switzerland

for the fall herbal retreat with Juliet DeBarkley-Levy. Both from the

perspective of her course material and her teaching methods, you would be very

hard pressed to find someone better qualified to help you down this path of

learning.  let me know what needs clarification and I will see what I can do

to answer the questions.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:33:13 +0000

--------

I interviewed Rosemary Gladstar in November.  I found her

compassionate, incredibly knowledgeable, dedicated and giving.

Walking around her Herb retreat, even after the leaves of fall have

dropped and the first snow was approaching, I could sense the

reverence and sacredness of her stewardship of land. She shared many

of her success stories with Herbs and I feel confident to endorse her

work.  She is well respected in the Herbal Community.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 11:54:24 -0500

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Thanks, Peter.  Rosemary comes so very highly recommended from those who

really know.



Here are my questions:

In her brochure for the course the following things are mentioned which

made me wonder where she was coming from in teaching this course (which

otherwise looks GREAT):



Do you know what she means by:



1)The Course emphasizes the foundaltions of herbalism which includes

"ceremony and Earth awareness."  What are the "ceremony and earth

awareness"?



2)She mentions her wilderness experiences "developed my inner ear and

heightened my ability to perceive sacred plant medicine."  Are we talking

religion, here?



3) She mentions growing up with her grandma who taught her games to play

with bones she kept on her mantle plus teachings on magic in the garden.



I am extremely and seriously interested in learning herbology and herbal

medicine.  If the above includes wiccans or New Age teachings,that would be

a problem for me. I hope that's not the case, because the course looks like

just what I badly need, otherwise.



I also wonder if 7 Song has written any books or treatises I might buy.

When I run out of my current supply, I will be ordering herbs from you.

Your Morning Wood tea sounds wonderful, too.



Thanks, Anita





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paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: Billie Judy <jstratma@W-LINK.NET>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:52:58 -0800

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>"2)She mentions her wilderness experiences "developed my inner ear and

heightened my ability to perceive sacred plant medicine."  Are we

talking religion, here?"<



Just a thought...  I'm not a 'religious' person, in the sense of

churches, group thinking etc. (rigid "churchiness" makes me twitchy,

too...)



..but whenever sincere, intelligent and thoughtful people -- like the

kind who are participating in herbal healing arts, that is, us :-) --

imply that anything remotely resembling a spiritual quality is repugnant

and out-of-place in intelligent circles, I wonder if we as a politically

correct generation haven't over-compensated for those who've given

spirituality a bad name...



I suspect that a "spiritual" quality is one of the finer characteristics

of herbalists and healers...that we're all "religious" at some level,

and THAT quality is probably an asset, not an unfortunate flaw.



I confess that I am somewhat leary of people who think they or their

group has a corner on "truth", but on the other hand, I welcome honest

and tolerant exchanges of ideas.  My favorite people tend to be

"spirtual" in some loving and thoughtful way.



I DO understand the intent of your comment.  I too, give the information

I read here the acid test of scientific credibility.  But something

primitive and poetic inside me still responds to the "magic" inherent in

mother earth.  (My)life would not be as rich and --yes magic -- without

a touch of that mysterious and poetic quality.



:-) Billie Over the Garden Fence







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:09:10 +0000

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Our information about herbs and the uses of the plants, in my humble

and devout opinion, has come from those that can hear the nature

spirits share their gifts.  In all cultures, there are the see-ers and

hear-ers who have the ability to tune into the energy of the world

around them and transcend logical linear experience.



When you think about the number of healing plants that exist on the

planet and the number of cultures that employ the gifts of these

plants and you realize that most of the information has been garnered

from the shaman, the witch doctor, the oracle, the angles of the

plants, the kahunas, the saints, the psychics tuning into the spirit

of healing and that "science as we know it" is catching up to this

information, a sort of humbleness and sense of gratitude is called

for.



Because all of us do not share the ability of being able to listen to

the plants, and for many of us this is beyond our ability to

understand, we find reasons to condem such thinking and knowledge so

that we can feel safe in "what we know".  Galileo faced

excommunication for what he saw in his telescope, i.e. the earth is

not the center of the universe.  Countleess women and men were burned

at the stake because they had knowledge that challenged the authority

of the clerics.  Read about the Inquisition. Those "witches" burned at

the stake were women and men that could heal, some were midwives that

brought life into the world safely with technique and herb.  I choose

to thank those willing to share their gifts and ease our pain and

suffering with their knowledge.  I have not heard the nature spirits,

and I would dearly love to.  And because I can't hear them, does not

mean that they do not exist.  Rather, it means that I have not been

chosen to hear and what I do get to do is learn from those that do.



If this were not a universal experience found in all cultures, I would

not stick my neck out this far.



Herbalism is the celebration of the earths gifts to man and beast.

Without our love of the plant kingdom, and respect, we would not be

here as we are dependent upon our green buddies for breath itself.



I promise that this will be my last lecture on this subject in this

forum.



I realize that we all have criteria about "who we can hear things

from" Luckily for all of us there are Herbal teachers of all colors,

races, sexes, religions and cultures to learn our green lessons.  I

for one choose to take the best from all who wish to share their

knowledge.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:44:47 EST

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In a message dated 98-02-08 01:34:19 EST, you write:



<< > I have a description of Rosemary Gladstar's correspondence course on

 >  medical herbs, received in the mail today.  She mentions a few things I

 >  need clarification on before I sign up.

 >

 >    Has anyone on the list studied under Rosemary?  If so, perhaps you

 >  wouldn't mind giving me a steer.

 >

 >  Thanks, Anita

 >

 Anita,



 <snip> <snip> Both from the perspective of her course material and her

teaching methods, you would be very  hard pressed to find someone better

qualified to help you down this path of  learning.  let me know what needs

clarification and I will see what I can do  to answer the questions.

 peter

   >>



I Add:



It might be helpful for the rest of us to find out more information about

Rosemary's correspondence course and how to sign up. For that matter, does

anyone have info on other correspondence courses? Henrietta, do you have info

on your web site?



Elliot







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 13:53:14 GMT

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On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 08:44:47 EST, Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>It might be helpful for the rest of us to find out more information about

>Rosemary's correspondence course and how to sign up. For that matter, does

>anyone have info on other correspondence courses? Henrietta, do you have info

>on your web site?



There's some in the medicinal herbfaq, part 7, and there's lots and lots in the

bimonthly / quarterly herb magazines, in the ads parts.



Henriette



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      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 14:34:40 -0500

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 Anita,

>

> <snip> <snip> Both from the perspective of her course material and her

>teaching methods, you would be very  hard pressed to find someone better

>qualified to help you down this path of  learning.  let me know what needs

>clarification and I will see what I can do  to answer the questions.

> peter

>   >>

>

>I Add:

>

>It might be helpful for the rest of us to find out more information about

>Rosemary's correspondence course and how to sign up. For that matter, does

>anyone have info on other correspondence courses? Henrietta, do you have info

>on your web site?

>

>Elliot



The Herb Quarterly carries ads for a number of herbal correspondence

courses, but I know nothing about which are the good ones.  There's

"Foundations in Herbal Medicine," "Southern College of Naturoopathy," "The

Australasian College of Herbal Studies," etc., etc. listed in The Herb

Quarterly. -Anita





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paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 01:28:17 EST

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Elliot said >> It might be helpful for the rest of us to find out more

information about

Rosemary's correspondence course and how to sign up. <<



Anyone that wants course information for either the on-site or the

correspondence course at Sage Mountain (Rosemary's school) (NCI) can send e-

mail requesting it to



jcatsage@plainfield.bypass.com



And if you do, please let her know that I sent you her way.  She has been very

good to us and I would like to let her know that we are thinking of her as

well.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Rosemary's Correspondence Course

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:06:57 -0500

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Hello,

 I am currently involved with another correspondence course that is

loaded with info, but a bit confusing on a tactic for study...

 I was unable to get the info on Rosemary's course before I signed

for the other, but did recently send for Rosemary's info.  In

addition to a general packet, you can order the first lesson to get

an idea of the layout for the course.  The charge for that can then

be applied to the remainder of the course if you make a choice to

continue.

 The initial lesson had a lot of info and was laid out in a very

concise and organized manner and I feel this is something I will

pursue once I've finished my other course.

  I am curious if anyone has taken Susun Weed's course and what feed

back you might have on that. I am very attuned to her work...but

again...one thing at a time<G>.



Linda Mansfield

WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Shepherd's Purse

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 18:52:17 -0500

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Shepherd's Purse is very volatile.  Even the fresh tincture doesn't last

more than 6 months, and should only be purchased if it has an expiration

date (and was tinctured immediately after picking.)  But if you have it

growing fresh, it is useful to pick and use.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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>it is used to stop hemorrhages of all kinds internally. according to

>my

>references.

>michelle

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Shepherd's Purse

From: CoraLynn McKelvy <coralynnmckelvy@USA.NET>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 00:29:16 -0500

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What if it was tinctured & then frozen? or would the freezing alter it?



CoraLynn

ne TN

coralynnmckelvy@usa.net



----------

> Shepherd's Purse is very volatile.  Even the fresh tincture doesn't last

> more than 6 months, and should only be purchased if it has an expiration

> date (and was tinctured immediately after picking.)  But if you have it

> growing fresh, it is useful to pick and use.

>

> Karen Vaughan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: salve (greasy sheets-slightly off topic)

From: Chris Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@MACALESTER.EDU>

Date: Sat, 7 Feb 1998 21:52:55 -0500

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I was thinking about the problem of getting the salve on the sheets.  I

know when I put goo on my feet I wear socks to bed.  Has he got a pair of

long johns he can wear to bed?  Or maybe some pajamas he could tuck into

his socks? Of course then he'll have greasy long johns, but maybe that's

better than washing the sheets so often.  I think it might keep more of

the salve on his skin, too.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Liver Problems...

From: Bridget Kelley <MarzNymph@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 01:40:56 EST

--------

Hello all,



I haven't been able to read any of the topics for a while, so if this is

repetitive, I am sorry.



What are good liver cleansers for someone whose liver is stressed by too much

tylenol?  Also, the person is anorexic, and has heart problems....??



The person is taking Hawthorn berry tea for her heart, is this ok with liver

problems?



Thanks for any info...

Bridget

MarzNymph@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: claudia - Not being yelled at

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 03:04:39 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-08 00:37:20 EST, claudia writes:



Since your post was long and I am past my bed time, I'll try to make this

brief and respond in the sequence you posted it



 First things first.  >Dad recovering from fractures caused by osteo.<<



Have you tried a tea of Horsetail, Nettle and Alfalfa - equal parts and a

rounded  tablespoon to a cup of water or rounded quarter cup to the quart.

infused for at least 25 minutes - longer is better.  Got this recipe some time

back and it has really helped not just arrest, but reverse osteo and fill in

density losses in people I have gotten to try it.  - and a package of plain

old ordinary gelatin in a glass of juice or water once a day.  how this will

work with someone that is on meds, I'm not sure - maybe in thi case more would

be better - give the medicine something to bind to as opposed to the calcium

in the bones and collagen in the tissues in the joints. but sure beats the

alternatives.

<snip>

>  Not sure what to say except

>  thanks for "fixing" my general message.  I don't feel yelled at, but do

>  feel like there may have been a bit of an attempt to make  me look

>  less than careful.



I tried hard not to make you look or feel less than careful but for some time

I have been meaning to post a general note that had most of what appeared to

be directed at you in it and I apologize for taking that opportunity to do it

and not do the general post instead.  Your post of explanation is wonderful -

it gives all the reasons that you came up with what you did and was what I was

attempting to elicit - please notice that I did not say, as I have in the past

to some, "are you nuts??"   -- I saw the benefit, but wanted you to be a

little more explicit about what the herbs do in the context of your

suggetions- and others- to try to understand that those of us that do respond

to this list with advice are in a very small minority when compared to the

size of the list. The other list members for the most part I think are

learning - and that experience is not as full as it should be if we don't

really explain ourselves.



 >>  I was assuming that that is what the person reading my message would have

done...but perhaps you are right, and I am assuming  too much.  <<



We live in a "feed me - NOW!!!" world and I have found that even when I lend

one of my books to someone that is in crisis, someone that even believes that

the alternative to prescription meds is a worthwhile pursuit, they sometimes

don't even read about their own problem, much less more of what is in the

book.  They want   us to fix it for them -  conditioning I suppose, but

indicative of where the world is at today.   With the 730 or so on the list

that are reading our advice, I would expect that a number will just print out

what we say and then go get the stuff on the health food store shelf or, worse

yet, on the grocery store shelf that comes closest to what we have suggested.

Most will never read beyond this or another list unless someone generates a

real desire to know more about the true wonder of herbs.  The current thread

on the "other" uses for SJW is a good example.  Personally, I have always

thought of the elevating effects of SJW as being the "other" use, not the

restorative nervine etc. properties, but the media hype has gotten people to

believe that this is the only use of the herb - and folks believe it.



So Please, keept posting  - you do make sense and your reasoning is sound -

you don't need to be as long winded as I tend to get, but you and the rest of

us do have a responsibility as teachers - if that is the role we wish to play

- and advice to the list is as a teacher first - and healer last -

Green Blessings

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Psoriasis

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 09:18:35 +0000

--------

A few people on the list have written regarding this condition.



>From Chritopher Hobbs book, his recommendation is the following tea:



Burdock root 1 part

Burdock seed 1/2 part

Licorice 1/4 part

Oregon gradpe root 1 part

Dandelion root 1/2 part



Fennel to taste



In addition, he suggests Hydrotheraphy of washing the skin without

soap and splahing hot and then cold water.  Splash first with hot

until a flush accurs and then splash with cold for 1/2 the time of

hot.  This will increase circulation.



Other herbs from other books:  Yellow dock and Sasparilla combined in

a tea.



Cleavers in tea was recommended by Michael Tierra



Michael also recommends Thuja (Cedar Tree Leaves) to be aplliced in

fomentations to the skin.



Michael also dicusses the Chinese practice of applying leeches to

lesions to suck out the bad blood.  I know this probably sounds

incredibly gross yet leeches are now being used by Western doctors to

treat amputees and they have other applications.  This practice should

only be done by an adept.



One other herb that Michael discusses in Psoralea Seeds.  These are

anitfungal and can be taken internally and externally.  Cursh seeds

and topically apply in a poultice.



As I was reading on this herb, (Psoralea seeds)  he also dicusses

success with Alopecia in China.  The herb was injected and patients

were exposed to ultra violet light in 45 cases.  Within six months

hair was completely restored in 36% of the cases and significant

restoration was reported in an additonal 30%.



The book is called "Planetary Herbology" Michael Tierra, C.A.,

N.D.Lotus Press, Twin Lakes WI. (NCI)



Personal THEORY on Psoriasis:  There is systemic fungal infection.and

a compromised immune system.



Avoiding Alcoholic beverages, vinegars, moldy cheese, refined sugars,

yeast and most prohibitions of the Yeast Fighting diet can help to

restore internal balance as well as Garlic, Caprylic Acid, Pau D'arco

Tea, Jatoba Tea,  Milk Thistle, Echinacea, Grapefruit seed extract and

the above Liver herbs.



Theses are suggestions and I do have a close friend that grew up in an

Alcoholic home, drank moderatedly and has had this condition on and

off for many years.  Traditional Chinese Medicine,,  herbs and dietary

changes has restored her health.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: caffein

From: elizabeth scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:02:34 +0000

--------

> Now, will someone tell me how to get off coffee?  I really don't want to,

> and its been a long time in the tryin, but I know I must, my body won't

> take too much more of it and I have a lot of work I want to do with the

> rest of my life.  And won't be able to do any of it if I keep on poisoning

> myself.

>

> Wendy Gorst



What has helped my is mixing roasted dandelion root with my coffee in

the beginning, then increasing the dandelion and decreasing the coffee.

There are some great coffee substitutes out there too. I like mixing

roasted dandelion root, roasted chicory root, cinnamon chips, and

nettles. it brews up good, dark and satisfying. I also love a product my

mom turned me on to called "Teeccino"(no commercial interest). She found

it in a health food store in Boston - Bread and Circus. VERY tasty! also

brews like coffee and is a grain and root mix.



Good Luck!



bek







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: caffein

From: Rene Dobbins <rdobbins@PRESYS.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:44:28 -0800

--------

> > Now, will someone tell me how to get off coffee?  I really don't want to,



> > Wendy Gorst



My personal experience with quiting coffee...I loved my coffee, the

ritual, the smell of freshly ground beans, the first taste in the

morning and the perk it gave.  Then I was to start a homopathic remedy

and forced to give coffee up to take the remedy - so I quit cold turkey,

had the headache for about 3 days and tried substituting various hot

drinks.  Of course none of them were coffee but I finally found what I

enjoyed to drink at various times of the day and while I miss the coffee

from time to time because I enjoyed the taste, I have found I do not

need the perk and actually have more energy now that I don't drink

coffee and I can still enjoy the smell of someone elses.  My main hot

drink is green tea for it's health properties and various herbals at

other times.  When I feel the need of a lift, which is rare these days,

I will have a cup of black tea.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: caffein

From: mjopp <mjopp@BESTWEB.NET>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 11:19:05 -0500

--------

Rene Dobbins wrote:



> My personal experience with quiting coffee...I loved my coffee, the

> ritual, the smell of freshly ground beans, the first taste in the

> morning and the perk it gave.  Then I was to start a homopathic remedy

> and forced to give coffee up to take the remedy -



This was how I gave up coffee. I was off for 4 months. I had no caffeine for that

long, no caffeineated teas or anything. I just couldn't hold out. The taste,

aroma and feel of coffee in my mouth was just too much to resist. It has nothing

to do with caffeine. I can drink a good decaf and be satisfied. I just really

like coffee.

Jodi





--

mjopp@bestweb.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: caffein

From: Donald & Sheena Townsend <firefly@HOST.OR.JP>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:59:32 +0900

--------

Rene Dobbins wrote:



> >.  My main hot

> drink is green tea for it's health properties and various herbals at

> other times.  When I feel the need of a lift, which is rare these days,

> I will have a cup of black tea.



Ummmm..... You would be getting the lift anyway.... green tea is unfortunately

loaded with caffeine.  The only difference between it and the black tea is that

the black tea has been fermented.  Some Chinese and Japanese green teas are

UNBELIEVABLY high in Caffeine so you would be best to  get the health benefits

that are found in this tea from another source.



sheena







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Low blood pressure

From: Lisa Contreras <LMCONT00@UKCC.UKY.EDU>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 12:05:46 EST

--------

Hi all:



  There is always concern for how to treat high blood pressure, but can low

 blood pressure also be a problem?  I remember reading somewhere long ago that

 some cases of extremely low blood pressure can be caused by the heart not

 pumping with maximum efficiency.  What do you all know about this?  My husband

 is 46 years old, 5'7", 160 lbs.  BP runs about 95/57.  We don't go to MD's -

 only once in the last year, he had to go to an Urgent Treatment Center for a

 finger injury - so we have not had an MD's opinion on this.  He has a lot of

 energy - always in some  kind of activity  - BUT, whenever he does sit down

 and does nothing for even a few minutes, he almost always falls asleep.  Also,

 complains of feet being very cold in conditions when I myself don't feel the

 cold.  He takes garlic oil  capsules every AM.  Should he stop doing this - or

  alternate every other day?  Or am I just being concerned for nothing?  My own

  BP is ususally about 107/70 which I know is also low, but I can't help

feeling his is abnormally low for a man his age.



Your thoughts and observations will be very appreciated.



 Thanks in advance,



Lisa Contreras







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low blood pressure

From: Kat Lonewolf <lonewolf@FRAZMTN.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 09:41:52 -0800

--------

> My husband

> is 46 years old, 5'7", 160 lbs.  BP runs about 95/57.



As long as your husband does not get dizzy when he changes position

suddenly(e.g. from lying in bed to standing next to the bed) his BP

is great. Low normal systolic(the high number) BP is 90, So your

husband is in that range. Low normal for diasolic is 60 but that

varies greatly. 57 or any of the 50's is not bad. As long as he feels

normal when he changes position this BP is actually very good. He

certainly won't be having any strokes soon. Is he an athlete or very

active? Often low BP in athletes or very active people can be quite

normal, as well as low pulse rates. Unless he has the symptoms I've

described I wouldn't worry about him. If he does have the dizzyness

that could mean that his heart isn't adjusting for changes of

position and could be a sign of a heart problem. Not always, but

would be a good idea to get it checked.



>  My own

>  BP is ususally about 107/70 which I know is also low, but I can't help

>feeling his is abnormally low for a man his age.



Your BP is actually not low. It is very normal. It's a great BP for

anyone regardless of age. So don't worry that it is low.



Hope this helps.





Lonewolf

Birch Moon Homemade Soaps & Sundries

Frazier Park, Ca







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low blood pressure

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:08:03 +0000

--------

There is a correlation between low thyroid and low blood pressure.

Some feel there is a hidden danger with Low Blood Pressure.  I

remember seeing a book on this and I can't remember the title.  You

might check out your local Health Food store searching on a title of a

Book on that subject.



I think his sysmtom of falling asleep when he sits down should be

investigated.  I would look at adding minerals from sea vegetables

such as kelp to see if he feels any differently.



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low blood pressure

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:58:12 EST

--------

Lisa



Hmmmmm. Tell you husband to start drinking a pot of coffee a day, eat plenty

of junk food - fight with his co-workers - aggravate the boss, etc and drink

plenty of moonshine every day for the next 6 months - ought to do the trick!!



LOL - just kidding - how many folks wish that they had this problem.  I really

wouldn't worry about it - it sounds like his plumbing is really clean and that

is something to be thrilled about at 47.  If you have some concerns taht you

want to cover, try a cap of hawthorn twice or three times a day.  It is one of

those wonderful herbs that                  will regulate activity - up or

down-   with most it helps to reduce  the bp - if his is realy not where it

should be, it will come up in response to the regimen.  I would sugget this as

a matter of course to anyone over 45 or 50 jsut because of the other benefits

that will accrue from its use relative to the ticker.  And I would not

suggest taking the garlic -- that stuff is just too good in all sorts of other

areas  to dispense with.

my two cents worth.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low blood pressure

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:06:28 -0900

--------

At 12:05 PM 2/8/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hi all:

>

>  There is always concern for how to treat high blood pressure, but can low

> blood pressure also be a problem?  I remember reading somewhere long ago

that

> some cases of extremely low blood pressure can be caused by the heart not

> pumping with maximum efficiency.  What do you all know about this?  My

husband

> is 46 years old, 5'7", 160 lbs.  BP runs about 95/57.  We don't go to MD's -

> only once in the last year, he had to go to an Urgent Treatment Center for a

> finger injury - so we have not had an MD's opinion on this.  He has a lot of

> energy - always in some  kind of activity  - BUT, whenever he does sit down

> and does nothing for even a few minutes, he almost always falls asleep.

Also,

> complains of feet being very cold in conditions when I myself don't feel the

> cold.  He takes garlic oil  capsules every AM.  Should he stop doing this

- or

>  alternate every other day?  Or am I just being concerned for nothing?

My own

>  BP is ususally about 107/70 which I know is also low, but I can't help

>feeling his is abnormally low for a man his age.

>

>Your thoughts and observations will be very appreciated.

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

>Lisa Contreras

>

>

Low blood pressure can be a problem.  I was refused pre-natal care by one

MD who was afraid of lawsuits because my blood pressure was so low.

If I was looking at this from an Eastern aspect, I'd say he has Chi

deficiency and stuck blood.  There are excellent Chinese herbs to treat

this condition.  I had good results with them myself.

From a more Western aspect, I'd look at his blood sugar.  Does he have

hypoglycaemia?  Many hypoglycaemics have low blood sugar.

You can improve his circulation with such stimulants as Capsicum and

Prickly Ash.  His diet should be carefully looked at to balance his intake

of carbohydrates, proteins and fats.  Have him avoid all heavy

carbohydrates for a while and see if he feels better.  By heavy

carbohydrates I mean, breads, grains, potatoes.  Avoid excessive intake of

fruit.  His condition would be characterised as "cold".  Fruits are cold.

He should have no more than a couple grams of fat per meal and that should

be preferably monounsaturated fats.  He should have some protein with each

meal the amount depending on his lean body mass.  About 28 grams is normal.

Then he needs enough carbohydrate from vegetable sources to balance it all

out.  I think he will find this very helpful.

Then you need to look at his liver and kidneys.  Make sure he's getting

enough liquids daily.  Avoid caffeine like the plague. Herbs like Milk

Thistle, Dandelion, and Cleavers can be helpful.

It would be good for him to get a real workup and diagnosis for proper

treatment.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low blood pressure

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:56:18 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-10 01:08:58 EST, you write:



> I think his sysmtom of falling asleep when he sits down should be

>  investigated.



I don't remember what the original post said exactly relative to this, but as

I recall, it wasn't something that set off any bells and whistles in my head.

Maybe it is because when I sit down in MY chair, around 6 in the evening -

whether before or after dinner, I promptly nod off for about 45 minutes to an

hour - then I wake up refreshed and able to "go" till the wee hours.  I like

my nap and sometimes I even take one in the middle of the afternoon - for some

- it is just a good way of recharging the batteries -



Caryn's advice is good, just putting a different consideration into the mix.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low blood pressure

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:09:48 +0000

--------

re falling asleep in one's chair and peters comment, I too enjoy a

nap, especially around 4 in the afternoon.  Today they call it a Power

Nap (oxymoron to me as , why can't we admit powerful people get

tired).



And, if one always falls asleep as soon as one sits down, diseasse

such as narcolepsy and severe low blood pressue/low thyroid come to

mind.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low blood pressure

From: Bob Lang <Rowanduck@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:29:28 EST

--------

As far as blood pressure goes the lower the better! Conditions that make for

abnormaly low blood pressure have a tendency to kill you quickly, in which

case most remedies are worthless. So I think peter's post is mostly right on

(2/9  --   NEHrbSup@aol.com). Now sleeping quickly, when relaxed! Who knows?



Bob Lang







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: pneumonia

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 17:09:08 -0600

--------

Hello, I have a question. I need some help. My dad has a "touch of

pneumonia".  The doctor put him on codeine and "something else." He

still has a fever of 100-101 (been sick about 1 and 1/2 week).  I

am wondering the best thing to send him.  I am considering boneset,

goldenseal, myrrh (is that the same as myrrh gum????).  He had been

taking some echinacea capsules, probably from Wal Mart.  Anyway,

I may send him some tea, too, if he is not better in a couple of

days.  He sounds better, his spirit, but who knows. Input would

be appreciated. Thanks.

Linda







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pneumonia

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:18:39 -0800

--------

Peppermint Tea is tasty, and easy for the ill-one to tolerate most times.

 It has several beneficial actions which will help your dad.  It thins the

mucuous in the lungs which is very important and it also helps quell upset

stomach which he may be having because of the load of crap that he's

probably swallowing (ewwwwwwwww) particurally at night. (Load of crap being

a medical term, donchya know)  Another benefit is that it is one of those

rare "strong" medicinal herbs which actually tastes BETTER at double

strength, which is how you need to make it (at least).



It is VERY important for him to drink as much clear fluid as he can

possibly muster.  Also, have him avoid milk products at this time.  There

is something in milk proteins which helps stimulate mucuos secretions and

that is the LAST thing he needs while convalescing from pneumonia.



- T (28 time survivor of pnuemonia)



-----Original Message-----

From:   Mike & Linda Shipley [SMTP:n5wuh@IONET.NET]

Sent:   Sunday, February 08, 1998 3:09 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        pneumonia



Hello, I have a question. I need some help. My dad has a "touch of

pneumonia".  The doctor put him on codeine and "something else." He

still has a fever of 100-101 (been sick about 1 and 1/2 week).  I

am wondering the best thing to send him.  I am considering boneset,

goldenseal, myrrh (is that the same as myrrh gum????).  He had been

taking some echinacea capsules, probably from Wal Mart.  Anyway,

I may send him some tea, too, if he is not better in a couple of

days.  He sounds better, his spirit, but who knows. Input would

be appreciated. Thanks.

Linda







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Gardening advice needed

From: Trish Carr <chatte@TELEPORT.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 16:09:34 -0800

--------

Hi, everyone,



A big, beautiful borage plant grew from seed this fall in my mint patch.  I

tend to let plants grow a while in my garden, especially if the growing

season's over -- or, at least, officially over, the plants seem to have a

mind of their own on that score -- so I didn't weed it out.  Now it's 2

feet across in a mint patch that's only 4 feet long and 2 feet wide.  I

know mint can jolly well take care of itself, but I'm afraid this green

giant will smother my peppermint and pineapple mint.  I'd rather the mints

just fought it out among themselves, you know?



Anyway, I was wondering if I could move this borage plant now, at this time

of the year.  I've got a whole lot of other borage plants growing from seed

in spots where I want 'em, so maybe I don't "need" this plant.  But I hate

to just kill it for no reason.  I wanted to try to transplant it.  I'm in

western Oregon in zone 8, and with El Nino out there it's been a much

warmer winter than normal.  Still, we can still get a pretty good freeze

before it's all over.



What do you guys think?  Move it and hope for the best, or leave it and

have it strangle out those poor defenseless peppermints by the time the

last frost danger is over?



Thanks for any suggestions!



Peace,



Trish



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Trish Carr                              chatte@teleport.com

Portland, OR                            http://www.teleport.com/~chatte/



Darkness cannot drive out darkness.  Only light can do that.

Hate cannot drive out hate.  Only love can do that.

--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gardening advice needed

From: Gillian Hardstone <G.Hardstone@BTON.AC.UK>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 10:50:26 +0000

--------

Trish Carr wrote:

>

> Hi, everyone,

>

> A big, beautiful borage plant grew from seed this fall in my mint patch.  I'm afraid this green giant will smother my peppermint and pineapple mint.  I'd rather the mints just fought it out among themselves, you know? Anyway, I was wondering if I could move this borage plant now, at this time of the year.



hi trish ( and all)



borage (as i've grown it in England and Ireland), is an annual, so it

will die down before your mints get going again next season

and yes they do grow big : 3 - 4 feet high sometimes

in my experience, they don't transplant well at any size (big or

seedlings)

once borage flowers, it will self seed very very easily. so if yours has

flowered in the mint patch, you may need to keep an eye out for new

seedlings next seaon, and remove them.



gillian







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Gardening advice needed

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:42:24 -0500

--------

Trish,



  From your description, sounds like the plant has reached its mature

spread, so it shouldn't encroach much more.  Generally you want to

move Borage when it is very young, taking care not to disturb the

roots too much.  The problem you will face is that it reseeds very

easily...so probably you will want to move it before it decides to do

that...cuz THEN you will have a crowded neighborhood<G>.



Linda







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gardening advice needed

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 07:12:29 -0800

--------

I'm putting odds on the Mints over the Borage.  One thing gardeners ALWAYS

complain about, when they have some in their stead, is the Mint Family is

SO pervasive, invasive, tough, impossible to get rid of, etc etc etc.



Mints do, in fact, tolerate low light conditions.  SURE  they like lots of

light, but if they're established already they'll do fine and adapt to the

changing conditions.  From the sound of your mint patch, yours are

established just fine.



Others have given you a warning about your borage seeding and throwing its

progeny further askance into your little patch of heaven.



Easy remedy to that....



As soon as the flower has faded, snip the sucker off!! Its called Dead

Heading and is commonly done to flowering plants such as roses, pansies etc

in order to promote more flowers.  I think, though (what little I know

about the way borage grows) you don't need to worry about it sending up new

flower spikes.  I think once you let the original bloom spike fade, that's

that!



- T.



-----Original Message-----

From:   Trish Carr [SMTP:chatte@TELEPORT.COM]

Sent:   Sunday, February 08, 1998 4:10 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Gardening advice needed



Hi, everyone,



A big, beautiful borage plant grew from seed this fall in my mint patch.  I

tend to let plants grow a while in my garden, especially if the growing

season's over -- or, at least, officially over, the plants seem to have a

mind of their own on that score -- so I didn't weed it out.  Now it's 2

feet across in a mint patch that's only 4 feet long and 2 feet wide.  I

know mint can jolly well take care of itself, but I'm afraid this green

giant will smother my peppermint and pineapple mint.  I'd rather the mints

just fought it out among themselves, you know?







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gardening advice needed

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:32:40 EST

--------

If I understand correctly, you're still having a growing season----then just

prune the Borage down so the mints can still get light for growing. The Borage

root will survive with just a few leaves on top for photosynthesis. Let it all

die back then when your next planting season starts dig it up and transplant.

It's darn near impossible to kill mint, so I wouldn't worry about it.

Luvlylin







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Gardening advice needed

From: Rene Dobbins <rdobbins@PRESYS.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 23:01:13 -0800

--------

Trish Carr wrote:

>

> Hi, everyone,

>

> A big, beautiful borage plant grew from seed this fall in my mint patch.  I

> tend to let plants grow a while in my garden





I live in Western Oregon also and have lots of "naturalized" borage in

my garden too.  My feeling is to make a choice of letting it grow where

it is or pulling it.

I think it is too large to transplant without a big rootball, even tho

it is cool, and that large rootball is going to take a hunk out of your

mint patch and transplant mint to the site you choose for the borage.

Since the mint is fairly dormant right now you could let the borage go

and keep an eye on the mint to make sure it is not too badly damaged by

the cover the borage makes.  And even if it is it will fill right back

in when the borage dies off.



It's hard to pull a beautiful plant but sometimes choices have to be

made.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver Problems-CA Thielman and members

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 22:35:21 EST

--------

Your post interested me, especially the contacts and eye problems. I feel

myself that I need a liver detox, I have been on many medications for many

years, also some herbs and  vitamin supplements, but I seem to have the same

complaints. What have you found that works? I'm not sure if I want my liver to

produce more bile, for I have chronic pancreastitis and a fat-infiltraded

liver. Please help with some suggestions. Thanks Debra







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: need help on herbs for pneumonia

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:52:44 -0600

--------

Hello, I have a couple of questions. My dad has "a touch of'

pneumonia."  The allopathic dr. put him on codeine and "some

other medicine."  He still has a fever as he has for about

a week-100-101 degrees. I am wondering the best herbs for

him.  He has no other problems. Except he drinks coffee in

the morning, which he won't give up.  Is licorice root too

strong for him?  I don't know what the other medicine is.

Or does this call for goldenseal? He has been taking some

echinacea capsules. He sounds like he feels better, but if

he still has a fever....  Anyway, I would appreciate your

input.  Thanks in advance.

Linda







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: need help on herbs for pneumonia

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:54:39 -0600

--------

Also, my dad is taking aspirin and tylenol.  Thanks.

Linda







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need help on herbs for pneumonia

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 14:56:19 -0500

--------

Linda-



Goldenseal is specific for pneumonia, so I would add it to his regimin

for 5-7 days.  The echinicea dosage should be high- 3-5 caps every two

hours or the equivalent in tincture.(I prefer to give a little of each so

he can taste the herb but isn't drunk from the tincture).  I'd also give

several cloves of fresh garlic finely minced and wrapped in honey or some

of Anitas "kyolic" recepe if you made any up.



 Why do you want to give him licorice? As a direct herb, a morning

beverage or in a small amount as a harmonizer?  How is his blood

pressure?



Cut his coffee with roasted chicory or dandelion root.  Not specifically

for the pneumonia, but to make things easier on his liver.  Peppermint

tea is good for his lungs and is cooling.



You need to know what the prescription medicine is before you treat him

and you should look it up in a PDR or ask his pharmacist for the package

insert. If the prescription medicine has aspirin, emprin or tylenol with

the codeine, it may keep his fever from spiking and burning off.  I feel

that fever usually should not be supressed and have seen some research

indicating that anelgesics prolong the  fever period of an illness,

although they leave the patient cooler and a bit more comfortable.  But

if he isn't in pain he should reduce it and get off when he can (if  the

medicine is not something else that he requires) because codeine can be

terribly constipating.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Sun, 8 Feb 1998 21:52:44 -0600 Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

writes:

>Hello, I have a couple of questions. My dad has "a touch of'

>pneumonia."  The allopathic dr. put him on codeine and "some

>other medicine."  He still has a fever as he has for about

>a week-100-101 degrees. I am wondering the best herbs for

>him.  He has no other problems. Except he drinks coffee in

>the morning, which he won't give up.  Is licorice root too

>strong for him?  I don't know what the other medicine is.

>Or does this call for goldenseal? He has been taking some

>echinacea capsules. He sounds like he feels better, but if

>he still has a fever....  Anyway, I would appreciate your

>input.  Thanks in advance.

>Linda

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need help on herbs for pneumonia

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:11:47 -0900

--------

At 09:52 PM 2/8/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Hello, I have a couple of questions. My dad has "a touch of'

>pneumonia."  The allopathic dr. put him on codeine and "some

>other medicine."  He still has a fever as he has for about

>a week-100-101 degrees. I am wondering the best herbs for

>him.  He has no other problems. Except he drinks coffee in

>the morning, which he won't give up.  Is licorice root too

>strong for him?  I don't know what the other medicine is.

>Or does this call for goldenseal? He has been taking some

>echinacea capsules. He sounds like he feels better, but if

>he still has a fever....  Anyway, I would appreciate your

>input.  Thanks in advance.

>Linda

>

>

Elder flower, Goldenseal root, and Capsicum with that Echinacea would be

great.  You can treat the fever with Yarrow and Peppermint and lots of it.

Give him LOTS of Elder flower.  Don't use the codeine except as a last

resort to help sleep.  He NEEDS to cough.  Loosen the phlegm with the

Elder, Marshmallow root and Mullein.

Drown him in fluids.  He can't get enough with fever and pneumonia.  You

can also help the cough with some good Wild Cherry bark extract.  As weird

as it sounds, pear juice is helpful.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Maureen's comment on starlight

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 00:08:38 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-06 14:22:56 EST, Maureen wrote:



<< I have friends that are distributors



 Actually, the diet products are the same as everyone else's.....lots of

 ephedra.... >>

 Maureen,



Can't you reason with them - your friends - and tel them what they rare doing

to themselves and their friends  - ephedra is such a taxing herb for the whole

system it could really hurt someone.   We have probably looked at a hundred

different mlms at this point all claiming to be the best and have the best

products and to date only one of the entire lot has passed muster with us here

enough for us to carry the products for some of our regular clients who have a

particular need - even though it is a good line and about half is very well

formulated  -the rest is more of the neutraceutical variety that I rail on

about so much or simply good multivitamins that are a bit pricy but we carry

the stuff we want and let them keep the rest.  But NONE of it has the ephedra

or any of the other natural "speed du jour" stuff that is out there.  Tel your

friends taht they are slowly, but very surely, helping themselves and their

friends to an earlier grave.

peter







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Internet Message

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:10:14 -0500

--------

Hello,



 The HerbUniversity on the net offers a very comprehensive list of

herbal and aromatherapy schools with brief descriptions of each. It's

been awhile but I think a simple search will get you there...if not

let me know and I'll hunt down the URL.



Linda Mansfield







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Correspondence Courses

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 08:24:21 EST

--------

<<

 The Herb Quarterly carries ads for a number of herbal correspondence

 courses, but I know nothing about which are the good ones.  There's

 "Foundations in Herbal Medicine," "Southern College of Naturoopathy," "The

 Australasian College of Herbal Studies," etc., etc. listed in The Herb

 Quarterly. -Anita

  >>



Perhaps we can get some remarks from the other listers who may know more or

heard about these other courses. Personally, I think its time I took a

correspondence course ...but I don't know which to choose.



Elliot







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Correspondence Courses

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:35:33 -0500

--------

Elliot-

After my fire, once I had a new computer, the very first piece of software

(to replace what I'd lost) was David Hoffman's Herbalist CD, (nci) for about

$50.



A press release from the software distributor can be found here-



http://www.hoptechno.com/herbpr.htm



At one time he had a good body systems based correspondence course, and

still may have it, I do not know.  Those who have taken it, though, have

told me that the CD contains everything in the course.  I highly recommend

it.



The next software purchase I will make is (when and if it is available)

Terry Willard's programs based upon his Wild Rose School of Natural Healing,

another course which probably is still available.



I had copies of Terry's old correspondence course texts and found them to be

excellent for those with a scientific turn of mind and an interest in herbal

pharmacology.



His mailing address is:



WILD ROSE COLLEGE OF NATURAL HEALING

1745 West 4th Avenue

Vancouver, B.C. V6J 1M2

Canada

(604) 734-4596



I read through much of Rosemary Gladstar's correspondence course way back in

1980, and found it informative, accurate, fun and full of her bubbly

enthusiasm.  Seemed like a great course to take.  But...



I think that YOU, with your apparent background, might be a little more

comfortable with Terry's or David's courses, if they are still around- and I

would RECOMMEND that you check out their software or books, first.



(and I will be in touch with you privately on previous matters soon)



Joanie MacPhee





(you wrote)

>Perhaps we can get some remarks from the other listers who may know more or

>heard about these other courses. Personally, I think its time I took a

>correspondence course ...but I don't know which to choose.

>

>Elliot

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herb University

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:58:11 EST

--------

URL is http://www.herbnet.com.....go into Herb University.  We update it about

every 3 months



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: diabetes and hashimoto's thyroiditis

From: Stephen Connors <connors2@CAMCOMP.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 12:33:30 -0500

--------

I'm a new subscriber to this list, so if this subject has been covered in the past, forgive me.



My kid (11 year old girl) has the diseases listed in the header. Her diabetes is such that over 2.5 years post-diagnosis her insulin need to no greater than 2-4 units every third day or so.... a miracle.



I have done some research on my own and there is an herb called Gynmena Sylvestre that rebuild the beta cells on the pancreas. Supposedly Safflower flowers also do the same thing, but i cannot find any hard data on this.



Her thyroid is also functioning, albeit on a lower level. Again, there's some semblance of hope there.



I find no shortage of books that say Herbs A, B, C, etc... are good for diabetes/hypothroidism, but how do they work on those organs? How can I tell if and when I should switch to another herb? and zillions of questions like that. I know why the information is so bland, nobody wants to run afoul of the medical mafia and get sued or worse. 



I fear a severe economic downturn in the not-too-distant future as a result of y2k, the stock market and debt bubble, so I feel this sense of urgency to start growing the herbs necessary to rebuild her organs.



I have no illusions of a magic bullet or any sort of quick fix. Diet, exercise, and a lifetime commitment to herbs/healthy living, etc.... are probably the best I can hope for.



If any of you are parents, I know that you understand.



I'll do the legwork, just point me in the right direction. Also, since I receive between 60-200 messages a day I don't review them all as closely as I would like. Regretably, I haven't been following the discussion on correspondence courses as closely as I should.



I'll have access to greenhouses to south central PA to grow the stuff in as well.



Steve 



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: diabetes and hashimoto's thyroiditis

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 16:28:27 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-09 13:00:10 EST, you write:



<< I find no shortage of books that say Herbs A, B, C, etc... are good for

diabetes/hypothroidism, but how do they work on those organs? How can I tell

if and when I should switch to another herb? and zillions of questions like

that. I know why the information is so bland, nobody wants to run afoul of the

medical mafia and get sued or worse.  >>



I ADD:



My sister is dealing with both of these (in her 30s now) and they are mean

diseases.  Your daughter really needs to be followed by en endocrinologist one

who might wish to work with a naturopath or a professional herbalist.  Some

herbs will help the body to equalize it's sugar load, some will not.

Hasimoto's is also a pretty serious condition of the thyroid and some things

work for one person and not for another - so it is very hard to try to handle

these over the internet.



BUT to begin some reading on thyroid (these books include Hashimotos) you

should get:



Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness" by Broda O. Barnes, MD ISBN

#0-690-01929-X



"Your Thyroid" by Lawrence Wood, MD  ISBN3 0-345-41006-8



"From Fatigued to Fantastic" by Jacob Teitelbaum, MD ISBN# 0-89529-737-X (even

though this book is written for Chronic Fatigue Syndrome patients by a CFS

suffered M.D. it does a super job of covering thyroid conditions).



If you let us know where you are located someone on the list may be able to

give you a reference to a naturopath or herbalist in your area.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Salve Recipe

From: SNYDER NADINE <Nadine.Snyder@COLORADO.EDU>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 11:23:29 -0700

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Hi, here's my salve recipe that I made a few weeks ago that Wendy

wanted.  I haven't tried whipping it up into a cream yet Diane. Since I've

never made mayo either I decided to wait on this one! :) Please forgive

my ignorance in using metric and US measures together.  I obviously have

no idea what I'm doing!  Well, I don't have a conversion chart in my head

and this is what I wrote down in my notebook.  I guess I was looking at

the wrong side of my measuring cup at times.  My scale was easier.



Chickweed Infused Oil (hot method)



250g dried herb

4 oz. sweet almond oil

16 oz. vegetable oil



Gently heat all ingredients for about 3 hours in a double boiler.  I don't

have a press yet either so I had to wait for the oil to cool then I

strained by hand through cheesecloth.  This made not quite 32 oz.  Which I

have stored in an amber bottle in the refrigerator.



Chickweed Salve



1 oz. beeswax

100 ml. chickweed infused oil

50 ml. SJW Extract

1 Tsp. Vitamin E oil

20 drops Spike Lavender



Melt beeswax in chickweed oil over double boiler. After melted turn off

heat and add rest of ingredients quickly before it starts to harden. For

me this made 2 2oz. jars of salve.  I didn't have any benzoin tincture for

a preservative but I'm pretty sure I read somewhere where the vitamin e

oil works also, so that's why I added it, plus the healing qualites it

has.



My sons legs continue to improve and the itching has subsided quite

substantially.  I tried telling him to wear longjohns but he won't,

instead what he's started doing is wrapping each leg in small bath towels

and sleeping like that.  I can't imagine that being very comfortable but

whatever works for him I guess.  So he has his own little supply of "leg

towels" now.



Sorry this got so long.

-Nadine







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Salve Recipe

From: Diane Walker <DianaFiona@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:01:59 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-09 13:30:31 EST, you write:



<< i, here's my salve recipe that I made a few weeks ago that Wendy

 wanted.  I haven't tried whipping it up into a cream yet Diane. Since I've

 never made mayo either I decided to wait on this one! :) Please forgive

 my ignorance in using metric and US measures together.  I obviously have

 no idea what I'm doing!  Well, I don't have a conversion chart in my head

 and this is what I wrote down in my notebook.  I guess I was looking at

 the wrong side of my measuring cup at times.  My scale was easier.

  >>

     Ha! You are much more organised than I am! I tend to be what I've heard

called a "Chaos Cook", and tend to make salves the same way--infuse whatever

is on hand that is good for the skin and/or wounds and add beeswax until it

sets. Hardly ideal, much less repeatable! ;-) And it certainly won't work well

for the cream, but I *have* made some really nice salves............ ;-)



      Diane Walker







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Salve Recipe

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:49:27 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-10 00:07:03 EST, you write:



> Ha! You are much more organised than I am! I tend to be what I've heard

>  called a "Chaos Cook", and tend to make salves the same way--infuse

whatever

>  is on hand that is good for the skin and/or wounds and add beeswax until it

>  sets. Hardly ideal, much less repeatable! ;-)



Question!!   Are you trying to tell me that there is "another" way of doing it

- This is shocking - absolutely shocking!!  I thought that was the way

everybody did it.  lol



Now I do have a bit more, in terms of herbs and oils and the like available

than most, but when there is a need for something,  that is exactly what I do

- a little of this - a little of that - and whatever pops into mind - the

plants themselves will tell you what to use if you listen to that inner voice.

just make sure to label the jar - you may not "repeat it exactly, but the next

time the problem is generally not 'exactly" the same either - when you find

something that works, it is like cooking - you keep trying to make it a bit

better - till it is Just right - Some folks keep a diary - and have a page for

each new recipe so that based on the results, adjustments can be made - - good

idea that really works well.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Correspondence courses

From: Ela Heyn <Ela_Heyn@NOTES.PW.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 15:20:05 EST

--------

I take classes through Cherie Capps in Eugene, Oregon, and I am *VERY* happy

with her program.  As a matter of fact, I ran the curriculum past my doctor

prior to beginning, and SHE thought the program sounded very good, and

encourage me to "go for it".



The reason that I picked Cherie's classes over Rosemary's is primarily that

Cherie has email capabilities, and Rosemary does not.  I'm afraid I'm not

patient enough to wait 10 or so days for correspondence to go back and forth

via "snail mail".  I like that I can send Cherie a question, and have an answer

back the same day.



Her prices are very reasonable, and she sends the classes on video cassette,

accompanied by printed lecture material.  I highly recommend her!  You can

reach her at herbs@ordata.com.  She offers classes in person, if you are

commuting distance from Eugene, OR.



- Ela



P.S.  I have no commercial interest in Cherie's program; I'm just a "satisfied

customer"!  ;->







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Does anyone know the url for the herb digest archives?

From: Sherm <sherman@OSWEGO.OSWEGO.EDU>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:11:27 -0500

--------

Does anybody know the url for the archives (herb)?

Thanks







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Chamomile

From: "Sandra J. Romano-Handwerk" <Handwerk@CYBER-QUEST.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 17:22:16 EST

--------

I just bought chamomile essential oil, but they also had wild chamomile

essential oil... Can someone explain the difference between the two?



Thanks!

Sam







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Chamomile

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:56:53 -0800

--------

At 05:22 PM 2/9/98 EST, "Sandra J. Romano-Handwerk" <Handwerk@CYBER-QUEST.COM>

 wrote:

>I just bought chamomile essential oil, but they also had wild chamomile

>essential oil... Can someone explain the difference between the two?

>

>Thanks!

>Sam



Hello Sam,  I'm posting material from a class I teach to help clarify some

of your confusion.  Always purchase only those essential oils that have the

latin name on the bottle and from a supplier who can tell you specifically

which part of the plant is distilled and the country of origin.  Essential

oils are sometimes adulterated and some are not what they seem to be.  Hope

this helps.



        Enormous confusion occurs simply because of popular

names used for essential oils. For that reason, it is imperative

that all aromatherapy professionals obligatorily know the botanical

name of the plant that produced the essential oil being used. It is

always necessary to know the precise species in order to know what

we are working with. An example. With essential oils called Artemisia

we can find the essential oil of:



ARTEMISIA HERBA ALBA, which is an interesting essential oil,

cicatrizing, with feminine hormonal virtues, emmenagogue, however,

there is the major inconvenience of containing 50-75% thujone, which

makes it just about the most neurotoxic essential oil existing. Abortive,

epileptic, no matter the method of utilization, internally or externally.

Botanically, you should not confuse Artemisia herba alba with:



ARTEMISIA VULGARIS, which is very rarely distilled. And you should not

confuse those two for:



ARTEMISIA ARBORESCENS, which resembles absinthe but grows like a bush.

It is used especially for it's riches in chamazulene and it's anti-

inflammatory and anti-allergic properties. Qualities that the others

do not have. If on the label there is only "Artemisia", we don't know what

is inside. In this particular case there is a clue since the arborescens

is blue and the other white.



        There can be even more confusion with the popular name of chamomile.

In France, chamomile, in general, refers to Roman chamomile:

ANTHEMIS NOBILIS. This essential oil is extremely anti-spasmodic, it is

a good anti-inflammatory when there is severe, inflammatory pain and it's

even pre-anesthetic. There are certain dentists that use 1-2 ml on the

back of the neck of patients before dental interventions.



Roman chamomile should not be confused with German chamomile:

MATRICARIA RECUTITA, which is an anti-inflammatory principally for the

stomach. It is used internally for ulcers of the stomach or the duodenum.

It's a very good cicatrisant.



In international commerce these two oils are often confused with

another oil, Moroccan wild chamomile:

ORMENIS MIXTA, which is not a Chamomile. It has a little odor of Chamomile,

it has the same color as Roman chamomile but has completely opposite effects.

Ormenis mixta is a tonic exciter, a general stimulant and

anti-collibacillaire,

while the Roman chamomile is an appeasing relaxer. For a long time, people

wanting to make economies used the Omenis mixta because it was cheaper!



        Often, as a substitute for Matricaria recutita, which is expensive,

one finds Moroccan blue chamomile:

TANACETUM ANNUUM, which is more of an anti-allergic and anti-inflammatory

than the Matricaria but is much less efficient on inflammations of the

stomach and intestine.



Be well,



Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: SJW question

From: Pat Constantine <User276055@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 18:25:04 EST

--------

Does anybody know if there is an adverse reaction to anesthesia and St. John's

Wort?  My friend's medical doctor told her that she would not be able to have

a general anesthetic while taking St. John's Wort.



Thank you for any comments,

Pat Constantine

User276055@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW question

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:53:17 -0900

--------

At 06:25 PM 2/9/98 EST, you wrote:

>Does anybody know if there is an adverse reaction to anesthesia and St.

John's

>Wort?  My friend's medical doctor told her that she would not be able to have

>a general anesthetic while taking St. John's Wort.

>

>Thank you for any comments,

>Pat Constantine

>User276055@aol.com

>

>

It is probably better NOT to mix drugs with herbs whenever possible.  Even

if there is no trouble with the St. Johnswort, it is one less factor to

worry about when using prescription drugs.  It's best to follow the advice

of the doctor when undergoing surgery in most cases.  Let him do what he

knows how to do.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW question

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 01:01:54 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-09 20:02:13 EST, you write:



> My friend's medical doctor told her that she would not be able to have

>  a general anesthetic while taking St. John's Wort.



Your friend should ask the doctor specifically WHY.  It may be that he hasn't

read alll that there is to read about SJW, and he may still think that it does

something it realy doesn't  - but he amy also be giving your friend something

else that, in combination with SJW, may be a risk to someone - too little info

- too little knowledge - guess who has which. ;-)

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW question

From: Denise M Hein <Itsmepanda@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:52:04 EST

--------

Hi all,



I am new to this list, so please forgive me if you all have had more than

enough SJW questions...



I am tapering myself off of Zoloft for depression, and was thinking of

switching to SJW.



Currently, I am taking L-Tyrosine for depression.  Does anyone know if there

are contraindications to taking L-Tyrosine & SJW?



Also, is there anything I nee to know about the brand of SJW I buy?  (There

are so many different manufacturers out there).



Finally, does anyone have any experience w/SJW and its effectiveness in

treating depression?



Thank you all in advance for any assistance...







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW question

From: Catherine Carpenter <COLOMBINUS@BIG-RIVER.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:29:36 +0000

--------

Hi Denise,

I am new to the list too so I don't know what they have discussed before

about SJW but I would like to learn more too.

All I can say is that I have been useing it for about 8 months and I do

notice abig difference. I used to be on Prozac several years ago but I lost

my job and health insurance and was unable to continue. I really feel the

SJW is working. I don't get the sudden depressed spells for no

reason and the moods are not roller-coaster like they were. I don't feel

"drugged" either like when I was on Prozac. I can drink a wine cooler

without feeling ill which I couldn't do before. The only side effect I have

noticed is that My eyes seem to be bothered by bright lights Like oncoming

car headlights more than they were before but I can put up with that. I am

careful to wear sunblock when I work in the garden. I never sunbathe or

expose my sun without the sunblock because I read that was dangerous to

those of us who burn easy.

As far as brand, I found High Health brand at Sams Club for the best price

I'd seen anywhere else.

I hope you find the answers you are looking for,

Catherine (feel like a normal person again) Carpenter02/12/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>I am new to this list, so please forgive me if you all have had more than

>enough SJW questions...

>

>I am tapering myself off of Zoloft for depression, and was thinking of

>switching to SJW.

>

>Currently, I am taking L-Tyrosine for depression.  Does anyone know if there

>are contraindications to taking L-Tyrosine & SJW?

>

>Also, is there anything I nee to know about the brand of SJW I buy?  (There

>are so many different manufacturers out there).

>

>Finally, does anyone have any experience w/SJW and its effectiveness in

>treating depression?

>

>Thank you all in advance for any assistance...

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: SJW question

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:55:37 -0500

--------

There is a difference between brands when you deal with standardized

extracts or dried extract capsules.  Some companies standardize by

checking for concentration and concentrating more whole herb.  Others add

hypericin, which is one of the 10 known active compounds responsible for

the 25 or so antidepressant actions in SJW.



Whole herb is generally better.  If you buy a tincture, look for a dark

purple-red color.  Frontier, Herb-Pharm, Ecclectic Institute, Herbalists

and Alchemists and Quantum seem to be good manufacturers.  For capsules,

try Rainbow Light, Crystal Star, Ecclectic Institute, Hypericum Verbatum

(from the Hypericum Buyers club mentioned at www.hypericum.com) and

Planetary Formulas (which also includes Kava kava and Bupleurum). nci



You want a capsule that has extract rather than dried herb because it is

many times more concentrated.  The extract in capsules is basically a

dried tincture.  Tinctures should be made from fresh herb and contain

volatiles that might not survive drying.  (I question whether everything

gets into the dried extract, but one has to balance that over ease of use

and freedom from alcohol which many depressed people cannot tolerate.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 08:53:20 +0000 Catherine Carpenter

<COLOMBINUS@BIG-RIVER.NET> writes:

>Correction------the SJW was Your Life brand not the first one I said.

>I

>confused brands. 300 mg extract.

>

>Con anyone explain the difference between extract and the ones that

>aren't

>labeled that. The extract seems to be more expensive but is it worth

>it?

>

>Thanks,

>Catherine Carpenter

>

>At 05:52 02/12/98 EST, you wrote:

>>Hi all,

>>

>>I am new to this list, so please forgive me if you all have had more

>than

>>enough SJW questions...

>>

>>I am tapering myself off of Zoloft for depression, and was thinking

>of

>>switching to SJW.

>>

>>Currently, I am taking L-Tyrosine for depression.  Does anyone know

>if there

>>are contraindications to taking L-Tyrosine & SJW?

>>

>>Also, is there anything I nee to know about the brand of SJW I buy?

>(There

>>are so many different manufacturers out there).

>>

>>Finally, does anyone have any experience w/SJW and its effectiveness

>in

>>treating depression?

>>

>>Thank you all in advance for any assistance...

>>

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need help with herbs for pneumonia

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 19:29:58 -0600

--------

Thanks Anita. Karen, all the reference books I have listed

licorice for cough, pneumonia, stomach (he has a tendency

toward stomach problems)`and fever.  Not so, eh?

I appreciate all your help.

Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need help with herbs for pneumonia

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 21:44:46 +0000

--------

What I have taken when I had pnemonia:



Fritalaria:  loosens mucus in the lung

Isatis Root:  Chinese herb as an antibiotic

Echinacea:  Dried extract mixed in water, one teaspoon every hour

Goldensea:  2 capsules 3 x a day

Megadophillis to counteract Isatis and Goldenseal's effect on

intestines.

Pau D'arco tea

Ginger tea

Lemon in ginger tea.

Taking a bronchial dialator spray that has Ma huang, echinace,

safflower herb, spearmint, honesuckle, stevia and peppermint oil.

(email me for referral off list)





Vitamin C

Cal Mag/multi mineral as my fever kept me sweating and losing

electrolytes.





Have someone pound on upper chest and back to loosen mucus. Invert

self at least twice a day to promote loosening mucus.  Hot showers

with lots of steam. Keep silence and conserve energy for deep soft

gentle breathing.



Lots of chicker soup



No dairy

No bread

No fruit juice

no simple sugars

no alchohol

no stimulants (caffeine, theobromide (chocolate) black tea.



Lots and lots of rest, stay warm, and take sufficient time to recover.

I was on restricted activity for 6 weeks.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need help with herbs for pneumonia

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 00:27:58 -0800

--------

Caryn:



I'm very curious why you say no bread and no fruit juice.

You also state that no stimulants should be taken and yet you contradict

your own advice by suggesting ma huang.



I thoroughly disagree that fruit juice should be avoided. Having suffered

from *many* bouts of pneumonia (due to severe childhood allergies + a minor

abnormal "pocket" in my right lung) I know the toll this illness wracks

upon a body.  The complete lack of energy brought on by the the inability

to breathe properly is pervasive.  One can do nothing BUT rest.  The "will"

to eat fades.  The "will" to drink fluids fades.  Fruit juices provide

nature's balance of good nutrition with vitamins and minerals and naturally

occurring sugar compounds (as opposed to man-made/contrived overprocessed

ones).  If one suffering from pneumonia needs ANYTHING .. it is lots and

lots AND LOTS of fluids. I concur milk & other liquid/non-cultured milk

products are to be avoided. Yogurt is valuable if antibiotics have been

prescribed (if not down right mandatory for some patients so they may

tolerate the necessary drug (assuming non-viral pneumonia)).



With bread... I will concede that over processed white bread is probably

not what the body needs at this point, but whole grain breads, whether

risen/yeast types, corn tortillas, whole grain pita, matzoh, and any other

type of "full grain" bread supply the recovering person with necessary

nutrition which is easy to consume, hearty in complement and palatable.



I'm interested in your reasonings why these valuable food sources should be

avoided.



-----Original Message-----

From:   caryn [SMTP:caryn@CRUZIO.COM]

Sent:   Monday, February 09, 1998 1:45 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: need help with herbs for pneumonia



<snip>



Taking a bronchial dialator spray that has Ma huang, echinace,

safflower herb, spearmint, honesuckle, stevia and peppermint oil.



<snip>



No dairy

No bread

No fruit juice

no simple sugars

no alchohol

no stimulants (caffeine, theobromide (chocolate) black tea.

<snip>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need help with herbs for pneumonia

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 22:46:44 +0000

--------

re TeraGram comments on fruit juice and bread restrictions with

pneumonia (sp)



Some lung infections are actually yeast colonies in the lungs that set

up house keeping and because they are now in a moist damp warm

enviornment, persist.



Fruit sugars feed yeast as do yeasted breads and simple carbohydrates



Some people can tolerate fruit juices with no side effects.  Fruit

sugars are very yin and may create more heat in the body and feed

infections.  I have found from personal experience that there is more

healing energy in the rind of oranges than the juice of oranges and

that any infection I have tends to heal faster by not drinking fruit

juices.  I will say that this is what works for me.  At the time, the

news was not well received by me from my acupuncturist as I dearly

loved my orange juice.  The good news for me was that following her

advice worked for me and I recovered quickly.  As I was a teenage

smoker that quit at 23, I tend to have weakness in my lungs, and this

is where I get sick first.  Following her advice about fruit,

especially in the winter, has kept me very healthy this year.  So far

this year I have avoided even a cold, and this is through the worst

rainy season of record and several nasty flu outbreaks all around me.



With regards to any food that contains flour, some people get clogged

in their intestines from eating bread, pasta and simple processed

carbohydrates, even if they are from whole grains.    I am one of

those people.  It shows up with having my illeosecal valve get stopped

up, achy soreness in my lower left abdomen and then my back  goes out,

sore throats and acidy and mucusy conditions begin to plague me. With

the help of my acupuncturist, I have found that  I do very well eating

brown rice, polenta, steel cut oats, quinoa and other non wheat whole

grains, beans, vegies, fish, soups using meat bones and vegies and

grains.   Some people do not have these reactions.  If any of these

symptoms come to mind for you, you may want to try an alternative to

your diet and consider my suggestions.  And if they don't, great! You

get to eat a lot "wider" than some of us.



If drinking juice works for you, fine.  There are many modalities of

healing and health.  Hearing different points of view enable us to

make a decision from a strong position, rather than from ignorance.



Beverages of soups and teas will nuture and energize.



The Ma Huang as a bronchial dialator in this particular product and

is less than half of one percent of the recipe.  The recommended

dosage is 6 sprays no more than 6 times a day.  The dosage level of a

typical supplement using ma huang is over 10%.  The medicinal stated

usage for Ma Huang is to dilate the bronchials to assist breathing.

Used in safe and cotrolled dosages, the stimulant effect is minimized.

This is why the FDA is not going after Asthma OTC medications.  So far

it is the most effective herb for this purpose.



Hope this clears up some of your points and questions.  Please share

your experiences as there are many people on this list that may share

your constitutional needs and your advice may be appropriate.  Anita

would go bonkers from the fruit sugar and would want to caution people

with low blood sugar ailments against drinking fruit juice.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need help with herbs for pneumonia

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:57:54 -0900

--------

At 07:29 PM 2/9/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Thanks Anita. Karen, all the reference books I have listed

>licorice for cough, pneumonia, stomach (he has a tendency

>toward stomach problems)`and fever.  Not so, eh?

>I appreciate all your help.

>Linda

>

>

Licorice is a good demulcent and would be useful in pneumonia.  HOwever I

would use other herbs as well.  Licorice is known as the harmonizer in

Chinese medicine.  It has neutral energetics and blends well with almost

any herbal combination.  In larger doses it can contribute to high blood

pressure.  A little does the job.  If he has stomach problems, taking herbs

with licorice might be useful. I'd also consider Slippery Elm to add to

combinations to "buffer" the stomach.  Of course, it depends on WHAT those

problems are.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ingredient list...what is bad about each of these?

From: Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:38:43 EST

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"...Schisandra berry, chinese white ginseng, guarana, adrenal concentrate,

potassium glycero-phosphate, coenzyme Q10 in a base of siberian ginseng

and spirulina..."?



thanks,

kai







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ingredient list...what is bad about each of these?

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 01:53:14 -0500

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Guarana is very high in caffeine.  White ginseng is not usually

recommended for young people.  Adrenal concentrates should be prescribed

for specific conditions.   The Schisandra and the last three are fine for

nearly everyone.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Mon, 9 Feb 1998 22:38:43 EST Kai Wyrill <KaiforChi@AOL.COM> writes:

>"...Schisandra berry, chinese white ginseng, guarana, adrenal

concentrate,

>potassium glycero-phosphate, coenzyme Q10 in a base of siberian ginseng

>and spirulina..."?

>

>thanks,

>kai

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ingredient list...what is bad about each of these?

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:30:21 EST

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In a message dated 98-02-10 02:18:19 EST, Karen wrote:



> Guarana is very high in caffeine.  White ginseng is not usually

>  recommended for young people.  Adrenal concentrates should be prescribed

>  for specific conditions.   The Schisandra and the last three are fine for

>  nearly everyone.



  I add - "Another case of formulation for the masses"  - I can almost see the

"chemist" and the director of marketing sitting there now saying how can we

make something new that will increase our market share - we need something

NEW!!  and the chemist saying well - I could add this and that  - people know

about ginseng - and if we put something like "adrenal concentrates in it

people will think that it helps them in that area - just to make them think

that they are really getting a boos - I drop some gurana or Kola - yea -

guarna - more of a "buzz"  and go go go go feeling - yea - then we throw a

couple of other things in for good balance - not good - not bad - general

tonic kind of stuff - yep - WE GOT IT!  I 'll have the recipe ready by 4:30 !!



Learn about YOUR herbs and YOUR OWN body.  put something that works for you in

the way that only YOUR body wants and needs.  The health food stores have some

wonderful things on their shelves, but they also, because of the hype and the

absolute lack of knowledge out there, have some things on the shelves that not

only are no good at all, but some can hurt you.  If any of you want to really

have your eyes opened, some day when you have time to do this - take an hour

or two and go to a good health food store - not GNC, but a well stocked store,

and just make like you are browsing.  Listen to the questions that are asked -

and often the advice given.  People want to be welll and want to be back in

balance, but few are aware of the process that this should take, or the fact

that it aint as we been told - there are no magic pills, herbs, or bullets.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ingredient list...what is bad about each of these?

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:23:02 +0000

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Some companies formulate just as Peter decribes.  Marketing gets

together and makes a decision. No scientific or historical background

needed.



Some companies are very professional, hire both Ethnobotanists,

Herbalists with PhD's, Naturopaths and Acupuncturists to review and

recommned and formulate.



The most hype in advertising ( in the millions yearly) can have the

least substance, the most sprayed or irradiated herbs and lowest

quality.  Just like the rest of the way U.S. products are sold.  It is

not uncommon for companies to actually have to buy space on store

shelves to get market share.  Who gives the biggest discount

determines what is sold.  Where do you think the money comes from: low

quality goods hyped to the nth degree.



It is very important to support the herb farmer, the herb distributor

of small scale, the ethical wildcrafters and to grow your own whenever

possible.  The Health Food Market is now being dominated by a few

retail giants,  GNC, Whole Foods, Wild Oats and some regional biggies.

We are seeing the availability of different brands diminish and soon

we will have our own super brands and private label store brands

duking it out for your purchases, just like in the supermarkets.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ingredient list...what is bad about each of these?

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:59:02 +0000

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The only herb I have knowledge of is guaranna, a very powerful

stimulant that is 30 times more potent than coffee.  I strongly

recommend that no one uses this herb as a steady practice.  I would

not take it EVER.



Schisandra berry:( From Ron Teeguarden)  "Schizandra is a famous tonic

historically consumed by Chinese royalty.  It  the few herbs that

contains all three treasures.  Schizandra is renowned as a beauty

tonic and is considered to be a youth preserving herb.  It reputedly

makes the skin soft, moist and radiant.  It is also said to be a

powerful tonic to the brain and mind and is believed in China to

improve memory.  It is also said to be an excellent sexual tonic when

consumed regularly.  It is said to help produce abundant sexual

fluids, increase sexual endurance and to strengthen the whole body.

It has a wonderful multi-layered flavor when processed properly."



(If any one is talking to DannyS, they may want to let him know about

this herb)



Coexzyme Q10 is reputed to be good for the heart muscle, spirulina is

a food, white ginseng a yang tonic, siberian ginseng (eletheurro) a

tonic herb and the rest of the recipe, I can't comment on.



I would try some of the herbs separately for tolerance, before trying

this entire combination.  The guaranna makes it very suspect.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Bach flower remedies

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:44:15 -0600

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Rosemary,

I looked up the flower remedy for flower remedy for

Memory:

  bad, due to lack of concentration  -- Clematis, Honeysuckle

  bad, due to mind full of other things -- Vervain, White

                                           Chestnut

Hope this helps.

Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Bach flower remedy

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 09:47:09 -0600

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Oh, Rosemary,

I found the flower remedy for indecision: Scleranthus

     -about life's direction--Wild Oat

     -about one's judgement/instincts--Cerato



Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Sprouted Broc. Pricing Correction

From: Mary Carter-Johnson <ghjohnson@MAIL.CLARION.EDU>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:49:27 -0500

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Greetings again fellow Herbies,



This is to correct my previous post on prices for the broccoli

sprouts.  The 5lb price is a 5 lb. LOT at $16/ per pound and NOT

$16 for the entire 5 lbs.!  Sorry bout that folks!



Although I e-mailed him privately, a public thanks! to Scott

Carlton (who says he lives "just down the road a piece from

Johnny's" the lucky soul!





**Retreating quietly to my usual *lurk* mode, where I have been

really gathering up some good herbal info from you knowledgeable

folks!  Thanks for providing me with lots of useful things to do

with my herbs and keep up the good work!**



Mary

GHJOHNSON@MAIL.CLARION.EDU





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        Perform Random Acts of Kindness & Senseless Beauty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Salvia

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:38:15 -0500

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Merry Meet,

  I am looking for a particular kind of Salvia called Savia

roemeriana...it is also known as "Cedar Sage"

  Does anyone know of someone who if not handling this herb...might

be able to turn me in the right direction.



Thank You

Linda Mansfield

WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: echinecia

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 11:00:01 -0700

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Is there a "best" echinecia to grow and use? I know purpuria is easiest to

grow, but is augustifolia a "better" choice? Is it stronger, have different

properties ? Or are they specific for different uses?

margo

margo@gemstate.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: echinecia

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:28:23 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-10 12:58:05 EST, you write:



<<  I know purpuria is easiest to

 grow, but is augustifolia a "better" choice? Is it stronger, have different

 properties ? Or are they specific for different uses?

 margo

 margo@gemstate.net >>



I ADD:



If you are a commercial grower the angustifolia is the one that people will

buy in bulk - but it usually has to be certified organic to make any money at

it.  The purpuria is also used and is medicinal but not as popular with the

industry at the first.  Also it may help to know that the angustifolia has a

very low germination rate, about 50 percent in some cases so it is a real big

problem to get started.



Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: echinecia

From: Sam Sussman <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 16:58:11 -0500

--------

For a long time I thought the echinacea aug. was superior. I have read that

the pur. is better for colds and flu. Regards Sam











At 02:28 PM 2/10/98 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 98-02-10 12:58:05 EST, you write:

>

><<  I know purpuria is easiest to

> grow, but is augustifolia a "better" choice? Is it stronger, have different

> properties ? Or are they specific for different uses?

> margo

> margo@gemstate.net >>

>

>I ADD:

>

>If you are a commercial grower the angustifolia is the one that people will

>buy in bulk - but it usually has to be certified organic to make any money at

>it.  The purpuria is also used and is medicinal but not as popular with the

>industry at the first.  Also it may help to know that the angustifolia has a

>very low germination rate, about 50 percent in some cases so it is a real big

>problem to get started.

>

>Mary Conley, MNH

>Herbgrow30@aol.com

>

Dr. Sam Sussman, Ph.d.

Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, University of Western Ontario

Director, Archival Centre, London Psychiatric Hospital

North American Editor, Mentalities

personal web page: http://www.geocities.com/athens/9288/sam.html







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: echinecia

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:15:31 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-10 12:57:05 EST, you write:



> Is there a "best" echinecia to grow and use? I know purpuria is easiest to

>  grow, but is augustifolia a "better" choice? Is it stronger, have different

>  properties ? Or are they specific for different uses?



Margo,



The biggest difference that I can see is that of the dollars you have to pay

for the two.  There is one school of thought that the augustifolia is better,

but frankly I have not either personally or through others feedback,

experienced any real sigi\nificant theraputic difference.  While we have the

stuff, I more often than not suggest to folks that they go with the purpuirea.

There are some that think more expensive = better, but I just can't see it -

relative to use - they are the same.  the best suggestion I have if you want

something more of a test, try them both - get good stuff  - tincture it out  -

and try them both - if one works better - stay with it -

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: BF&C

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:38:37 -0700

--------

I called the School of Natural Healing (natures way, Dr. Christophers),

nci.

Here is the formula for BF&C

White Oakbark      6 parts;

 marshmallow root      3 parts

Mullein leaf     3 parts

Wormwood   2 parts

Lobelia    1 part

scullcap    1 part

Comfrey root    6 parts  (note- the package says leaf...)

black walnut bark   3 parts

Gravel root     3 parts



This and MANY other excellent formulas are in the book "school of natural

healing", by Dr. John R Christopher. I have a 20+ year old copy which does

not give all the formulas, but the person I spoke with got this from the

more recent version, under 'cleansing', page 592, I think.

margo



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> From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

> re: BF & C formula adn Richard Dresner's request:

> > I have been unable to find this recipe of herbs.  You might want to

> check out the Nature's Way website. (nci)

> > Please post on the herblist for all of us when this is ascertained.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: correspondance courses

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 12:44:59 -0700

--------

> anyone have info on other correspondence courses?

<snip>

I would be interested in others experiences with correspondance courses

also. I am contemplating taking Christophers course from the school of

natural healing.

margo

margo@gemstate.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: echinecia differences

From: Barbara Birkinbine <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:51:56 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-10 14:30:29 EST, you write:



<< The purpuria is also used and is medicinal but not as popular with the

 industry at the first.  Also it may help to know that the angustifolia has a

 very low germination rate, about 50 percent in some cases so it is a real big

 problem to get started. >>



There is more pupurea being grown commercially right now, because it is a more

predicatable crop.  But the angustifolia is becoming established.  The extract

industry has a preference for angustifolia, but there isn't a lot of it out

there, yet. There are different camps as to which species has the greater

medicinal value- but I have used both and find it hard to tell any difference.

Hey, if it stops my cold then I'm happy :-)



 Mary is right about the germination rate of angustifolia- I haven't had any

problems with our seed- but we are pretty picky about culling out questionable

seed before we begin to stratify it.  After seed harvest it is typical to lose

70% of the seed because they are duds.  This is why angustifolia seed is so

much more expensive (if you find seed that is priced the same as purpurea, it

has not had the viable seeds selected out).  Also, the seed should smell like

black pepper- if it doesn't, it is too old.



Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

Grower of Medicinal Herbs

OakCamp@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: echinecia differences

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 15:13:40 -0500

--------

Merry Meet,



  Another consideration for the angustifolia preference is that for

some...where the arial parts of the flower are used alone or mixed

with roots...allergic reaction follows as one might have with if

allergic to other field flowers...and using the root only...

angustifolia seeming to be the preference...this problem is

alleviated for most.



Thanks to all for the growing and seed tips.



In the Lady's Steps

Linda Mansfield







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Vinegars (part 3)

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:58:56 -0600

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Wine can be made from bilberries, wild strawberries, plums, dandelion flowers, nettles, honey and golden rod.  Most unique are wines made from roots such as beets, wild ginger, wild carrots and wild onions.  



And of course vinegar can be made from any of these wines.  Vinegar can also be made from homemade beers and ales.   This is a good way to salvage "bad "batches"



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: vinegar recipes (part 1- making vinegar )

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 13:58:59 -0600

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I am going to send this in bits so no message will be too long....

Grape based wines and hard apple cider are the most familiar brews from which vinegar is made.  In fact the word vinegar comes from the French "vin aigre" meaning sour wine.  However vinegar can be made from any dilute aqueous alcohol solution, usually from any fruit, but also from vegetable(s) containing fermentable sugars or from compounds containing hydrolizable starch.   It can even be made from petroleum or paper mill by-products (rarely used for human consumption but is why it is important to read the label of all commercially produced vinegar - not just on the cheap stuff). 



Yeast first changes sugars into alcohol.  When enough sugar has been converted to raise the alcohol level to the point the yeast(s) are inhibited or killed, bacteria (Acetobacter) takes over and converts the alcohol into acetic acid.  This can only happen in the presence of oxygen, which is why wine makers are so careful to exclude air in the table wine brewing process. 



Yeast and bacteria are always present circulating in the air. Old time vinegar makers simply left loosely covered vats or barrels of beer, wine or other brew to pick up the naturally occurring airborne bacteria.  However it is possible to pick up some undesirable ones so most brewers today introduce it.  This is called "mother" and is a foamy, floating blob similar yet different to the "mushroom" used to brew kombachu.  



 If you have purchased unpasturized vinegar and noticed a milky swirl of something in the bottle, you have seen remnants of mother.    This is the easiest way to obtain one. Mother does not survive heating so in not available in the ordinary grocery store vinegar; as this has been pasteurized and filtered to remove the "sediment".    



Mother is alive and must have food the survive.  If you purchase a bottle of raw vinegar from your co-op or healthfood store and don't use the mother right away, feed it every few weeks to keep it healthy.



BASIC VINEGAR MAKING - short form.

(1) Use boiling water to sterilize a ceramic crock, wide mouth gallon jar or other non-reactive wide mouthed container large enough that your base brew will fill  the container to no more than three quarters full.   



(2) Put you fruit, vegetable or root based brew in, add mother and cover loosely with old washed pantyhose, cheesecloth or other loose weave material.  This will keep out dust, cat hair, etc.  



(3) Place crock in an out of the way place such as the pantry or the top of the refrigerator for several weeks Check after a week, such things as temperature and amount of the batch  brewing determines how long it will take to convert.

When the brew has the tart taste of acetic acid it is ready for use for the table.

   

(4) If you wish to use it to preserve foods, i.e. pickling and canning, you must determine it's strength.  Commercially available vinegar is standardized to 5% acidity.   If you homemade is to strong, reduce by diluting with water.  If too strong, concentrate by freezing or evaporation to remove water.

Once you declare you vinegar finished, bottle and seal to prevent contamination by airborne volunteers.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Vinegar- part 2 (the good stuff)

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 10 Feb 1998 14:05:24 -0600

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Tomato Wine (base brew for tomato vinegar)



(1) Wash 5 pounds ripe tomatoes removing the green calyx and any that are over-ripe and cutting off any bad spots such as splits, bird or insect damage.   It doesn't matter which variety although different varieties result in subtly different flavors in the finished wine.  I have used cherry tomatoes as well as the large brandywine type with equal success.



(2) Sterilize all crocks, spoons, bottles and any other equipment that will be used with boiling water or the chemical sold by wine making supply sources.   This prevents wild yeast and bacteria from being inadvertently introduced.



(3) Mash tomatoes in large crock, plastic pail, cold pack canner, or other large mouthed non-reactive container.



(4) Pour one gallon hot water over pulp and let cool to blood-warm.  Add three pounds granulated sugar and stir.  Then add one package wine yeast.  Cover with cheesecloth.  Stir once daily for eight days.   



(5) Strain into fermentation bottle and water seal.  Let work for six weeks or until bubbling stops.  



(6)  For vinegar: add mother and proceed per previous instructions.



For table wine: Rack into an aging container and add add depectinizing enzyme (tomatoes are high in pectin and won't clear without it).   After seven months, bottle.  This wine improves with age.  



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Introduction

From: Irena Franchi <d001720c@DC.SEFLIN.ORG>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 10:38:05 -0500

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Hello





I just subscribed to this list.  It seems to be very interesting.



I'm a vegetarian, nutrition and natural hygiene consultant, and writer.



Since 1982 I stopped using pharmaceuticals, and rely totally on herbs for

healing purposes.



I'm legally blind, have a Seeing Eye dog: Suzie, and a talking computer.



Regards

Irena Franchi

d001720c@dc.seflin.org







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduction

From: "James H. Emerson" <Godsecho@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 12:56:49 EST

--------

Hi I just read your e mail to herbs and I just signed on myself. I, too, am a

writer

but am also 80 yrs old with Emohysema and a tricky heart.(Two attacks and a

triple  by pass. Any chance of us working together on a cookbook for those of

us who need to gain weight instead of losing it. There are 17 million people

in the U>S> who are underweight. Try and find a cookbook to gain weight.

Recipes should be

high in calories, comparitively low in saturated fat, low in sodium. What do

you think?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduction

From: aI <Ltysonhunting@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:39:19 -0700

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Hi there James:



Just thought I'd tell you what I've heard about such problems.  I once

had a friend so thin that she had to gain weight.  Her doc told her to

eat peanut butter sandwiches and a shake every night before going to

sleep.  It worked for her, but as soon as she stopped, she would lose it

again.  If you like peanut butter and ice cream you might try it.  Also,

I have read that one of the reasons people with emphysema lose so much

weight is because they are just too tired to eat and to chew.  Maybe

something easy to swallow without a lot of work would be helpful.  Good

luck.



Sincerely,



Loretta Tyson

Ltysonhunting@worldnet.att.net



James H. Emerson wrote:

>

> Hi I just read your e mail to herbs and I just signed on myself. I, too, am a

> writer

> but am also 80 yrs old with Emohysema and a tricky heart.(Two attacks and a

> triple  by pass. Any chance of us working together on a cookbook for those of

> us who need to gain weight instead of losing it. There are 17 million people

> in the U>S> who are underweight. Try and find a cookbook to gain weight.

> Recipes should be

> high in calories, comparitively low in saturated fat, low in sodium. What do

> you think?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduction

From: MDLukacs@AOL.COM

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:43:19 EST

--------

Hi Irene!  Give Suzie a hello and a pet, too!



I'm impressed with your ability to alleviate pharmaceuticals from your life.

How did you learn about herbal therapies?  School, reading, or experimenting?

What does a natural hygiene consultant do?  It sounds fascinating.



Welcome,

Denise







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Introduction

From: Irena Franchi <d001720c@DC.SEFLIN.ORG>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:40:03 -0500

--------

Hello Denise and all listers





My answer to your questions would be too long for a message to the list.

But in a few words:



Long before studying nutrition, natural hygiene, herbology, and so on, I

felt very inclined to herbs and natural therapies in general.  I often

realized about the effect that certain vegetables, fruits, etc. did on

me.  This fact, plus health problems that I had that never were solved

by  drugs and alopathic medicine, plus meeting people who worked in the

field of homeopathy, as my Esperanto teacher, pushed me to investigate

and to want to learn more and more.



so in the process I used books, experimentation with myself, different

schools and teachers, and so on.



Natural hygiene is a little bit of everything: nutrition, use of herbs,

 natural therapies, and much more.   To live naturally.



I'm glad that I can use all that I know for Suzie's well-being.



Regards.





Irena Franchi

d001720c@dc.seflin.org





On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 MDLukacs@AOL.COM wrote:



> Hi Irene!  Give Suzie a hello and a pet, too!

>

> I'm impressed with your ability to alleviate pharmaceuticals from your life.

> How did you learn about herbal therapies?  School, reading, or experimenting?

> What does a natural hygiene consultant do?  It sounds fascinating.

>

> Welcome,

> Denise

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: caffeine

From: "Rhonda R. Selby" <soulvision@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:33:44 EST

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Coffee!  I love it too, and it's the taste and smell.  I never need the

caffeine, as it doesn't really affect me unless I've had too much.



Does anyone know about the side affects of decaf?  I have a friend who

has experienced some, such as fibrous cysts, after years of drinking

decaf.  Her physician told her to give up decaf because that could be the

cause.  The way in which decaf is processed has something to do with

this.



I have another friend who has discovered a cyst in her breast, and who

has a history of cancer.  The cyst isn''t cancerous, and she drinks tons

of decaffinated coffee.



Rhonda



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: caffeine

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 00:27:38 -0500

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The coffee oils cause part of the problem, and these oils survive

decafinization.  They can give you a buzz by themselves and can be hard

on the adrenals (darn it!)



There are various methods to decaffeinate coffee, some involving solvents

that you might associate with drycleaners and others using water or

steam.  Water process or Swiss process decafinization is the least

noxious.





Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Wed, 11 Feb 1998 13:33:44 EST "Rhonda R. Selby" <soulvision@JUNO.COM>

writes:

>Coffee!  I love it too, and it's the taste and smell.  I never need

>the caffeine, as it doesn't really affect me unless I've had too much.

>

>Does anyone know about the side affects of decaf?  I have a friend who

>has experienced some, such as fibrous cysts, after years of drinking

>decaf.  Her physician told her to give up decaf because that could be

>the cause.  The way in which decaf is processed has something to do

>with this.

>

>I have another friend who has discovered a cyst in her breast, and who

>has a history of cancer.  The cyst isn''t cancerous, and she drinks

>tons of decaffinated coffee.

>

>Rhonda

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ulcerated Color

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 22:24:37 +0000

--------

I have a friend that has just been diagnosed with this illness.



Has anyone had success in treating themselves, family or friends with

this ailment.



Any fresh fruit gives her paroxyms of pain and diarrhea. The medicos

have her on pasta, bread, rice and other clogging substances.



Besides Megadophillis, what herbs would you suggest and do you think

Castor Oil packs will help?



I treated myself for a duodenal ulcer with herbs and fresh carrot

juice and creating new boundaries for myself and cultivating

gratitude.



The colon poses different problems.



Your advice is welcome



caryn







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ulcerated Color

From: dolores carmona <hfoao040@EMAIL.CSUN.EDU>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:09:00 -0800

--------

Hello Caryn,

My mother has an Ulcerated colon.  This is very serious.  My mom is in

remission now.  She is not bleeding rectally and not having to have a

bowel movement as soon as she is done eating.  This is what we have

researched in  many books in order to get her where she is at today.

She started drinking Georges' Aloe Vera juice 3x a day  1/4 cup. She eats

lots of fresh garlic. Lots of white fish and chicken, no beef or pork.

Acidophilus, Slippery Elm, a good multi-vit. liquid form if you can.

Drink soy milk.  People who have this conidition tend to get anemic and

malnourished. Rice should be Uncle bens converted rice.  Fruit should

cooked.  She is getting diarrhea because she is eating the wrong foods.

Tell her to go to the health food store and get a book for Ulcerative

Colitis and or a Gluten free diet book.



NO:     Pasta (Wheat, flour containing foods).  Everything gluten free.

        Eggs, milk, oil, nuts, citrus fruits anything to acidy.

        Everything should be steamed or boiled.

We have helped my mom more than the docs.



Dolores



On Wed, 11 Feb 1998, caryn wrote:



> I have a friend that has just been diagnosed with this illness.

>

> Has anyone had success in treating themselves, family or friends with

> this ailment.

>

> Any fresh fruit gives her paroxyms of pain and diarrhea. The medicos

> have her on pasta, bread, rice and other clogging substances.

>

> Besides Megadophillis, what herbs would you suggest and do you think

> Castor Oil packs will help?

>

> I treated myself for a duodenal ulcer with herbs and fresh carrot

> juice and creating new boundaries for myself and cultivating

> gratitude.

>

> The colon poses different problems.

>

> Your advice is welcome

>

> caryn

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: HERBS

From: Kemp <kemp@MAIL.COOS.OR.US>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 15:24:00 -0800

--------

Does anyone know what these two herbs are and what they are used for???



GAUZUMA ULMIFOLIA



PARAMERIA LAEVIGATA



Sherry







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: HELP:Dust Mite Scourge & Winter Allergies

From: "D'Silva" <nm_dsil@ALCOR.CONCORDIA.CA>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 18:44:06 -0500

--------

hello,



I am a freelance reporter for a community radio station in Montreal,

Quebec, and I'm currently working on an alternative medicine/therapy

program. I am very interested in disseminating safe and useful information

about medicinal herbs, and the over-the-counter herbal treatments that are

available, etc. to the general public.  Presently I am working on a news

story that deals with winter allergies -- problems that are usually

experienced by people in colder climes where winter-sealed homes and the

dust mite scourge are the norm.  I, myself, have experienced inexplicable

winter allergies {primarily breathing problems, but at times, I have also

experienced strange lumps (that don't itch) on my hands & facial area that

have faded after a few hours}, and therefore would really appreciate any

helpful information you can send my way.



I would greatly appreciate detailed information on the herbal

medicines/treatments available for treating the symptoms of, or even

subduing winter-specific allergies (respiratory problems relating to dust

& dust mites, and winter-sealed homes, etc.).



If possible, I would like to know of any web sites that hold reliable

information pertaining to the above.



If anybody is aware of recent medical studies that have dealt with herbal

medications for winter-specific allergies, I would love to hear about it.



I had read somewhere that a little bit of eucalyptus oil mixed with your

washing detergent will kill 97% of the dust mites in your laundry -- if

it's allowed to soak for an hour or so.  I'm not sure if this information

is correct, and I don't know how I would go about testing this theory, but

if anybody has heard of a study, or has read something somewhere that

could corroborate it, would they kindly send the information my way?



Also if anybody has information about other herbs that share similar

properties (with the eucalyptus oil) that could be used as anti-fungal,

anti-bacterial cleaning agents to eliminate dust mites in homes, would

they kindly share that information with me, as well?



I would gladly accept any helpful advice, and appreciate any information

with regards to my querries.



Thanking You,



Nicole D'Silva

nm_dsil@alcor.concordia.ca







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Trade in Wild and Native Medicinal Plants

From: Jim Christensen <jchris@PTINET.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 16:53:09 -0800

--------

Request for assitance:



I am trying to gather some good statistical data on the trade in

wild or native medicinal plants in the USA as well as on a world

wide basis.



Do you have any idea of amount (pounds or kilograms--preferred,

dollar value, etc.) that were bought or sold last year or for any of



the last few years?   It would be great if it is broken down by

plant species or at least genera.



Do you know who might have this information if you don't?   If you

are a buyer or seller would you please send me your last years

purchases or sales amounts in quantity, pseudonyms are acceptable.

I am not working for a tax agency.



Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.   I am doing this

research as a voluntary project for a non-profit non governmental

organization.





Sincerely,



Jim Christensen

ForInfo Services

29240 Santiam Hwy.

Lebanon, OR 97355

USA







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Trade in Wild and Native Medicinal Plants

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 05:08:00 EST

--------

I can guarantee you there are no valid statistics on this anywhere in the

country for a variety of reasons....people that are into wildcrafting are not

usually into number crunching and those that are (I have a few members that

do) will never reveal their figures even under an alias.  Competition is

strong enough without encouraging more.  If you get much of a response on this

I'd love to know it.  We've been trying to get stats for over 10 years and the

best response I've had is less than 10% which is statistically insignificant.



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ear Candles...Question???????

From: Richard Morgan <Audio001@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 21:08:20 EST

--------

Hello All,

 After using ear candles for the first time I am left with a clogged feeling

deep down inside of one ear. Sort of like water deep down inside. I really got

a lot of junk out of this ear. The clandle was compleatly clogged upon

removal. How long should I wait before doing another set of candles. I know

there is just a bunch more junk in there giving me that "water" feeling.



Thanks bunches for all your help



  Alton







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ear Candles...Question???????

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:37:43 -0900

--------

At 09:08 PM 2/11/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hello All,

> After using ear candles for the first time I am left with a clogged feeling

>deep down inside of one ear. Sort of like water deep down inside. I really

got

>a lot of junk out of this ear. The clandle was compleatly clogged upon

>removal. How long should I wait before doing another set of candles. I know

>there is just a bunch more junk in there giving me that "water" feeling.

>

>Thanks bunches for all your help

>

>  Alton

>

>

I don't know if this was answered, I've been out of town.  You should keep

using them until all debris is gone, one after the other.  Make sure the

tube is SEALED against your skin to avoid having wax drop into your ear.

Make sure your "candles" have only the minimum wax on them.  Cone shaped

candles may be more likely to drop wax into the ear but some say they draw

more quickly.

An old native woman I know just used rolled up newspaper with NO wax.  The

principle is the same: a tube placed in the ear canal, lit on the end to

draw impurities from the ear.  An ancient and simply elegant treatment.

If you need to follow with more candles to complete treatment, do so as

often as needed, even one after the other.  You should NOT quit until the

ear is clear.  If the candle is plugged, you probably have not kept it

clear during the treatment.  the impurities SHOULD be drawn into the tube

toward the flame and be consumed.  Snip the end of the candle as it burns

to avoid having it close off.  Keep an open tube at all times.  If you see

the candle getting plugged.  Get another one.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hawthorne

From: Mara Jade <akalo@UIT.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:39:56 +0100

--------

i would like to know if it is safe to take SHW at the same time I'm taking Hawthorne?



 TIA



 Mara Jade

akalo@uit.net



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Was caffeine: tea fermentation

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 10:52:59 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-12 08:26:29 EST, Sheena writes:



<< The only difference between it and the black tea is that

 the black tea has been fermented.   >>



I'm sure this has been talked about before but I missed it. Would someone mind

explaining the reasons for and results of fermentation. Also, how does it

affect the caffeine level/ quality?



Thank you,

Jessyka







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Top 25 list

From: The Scented Sanctuary <ScentSanct@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 11:40:10 EST

--------

If you could only have 25 dried herbs - which ones would they be and why?  I

am trying to put together a study and I would really appreciate your help.



Thank you!  Roxy







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Top 25 list

From: "(Patricce) (Porter)" <patrice@NET.BIG-RIVER.SK.CA>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 14:54:28 -0600

--------

My top 25 herbs are:

1mint

2 lemonBalm

3Camomile

4 comfrey

5 dill

6 basil

7 oregano

8 thyme

9 tarragon

10 lovage

11 sage

12 nettles

13 ainis

14 fenigret

15 celeraic

16 echinasia

17 st. john's wort

18 balm of giliad

19 lavender

20 eucalyptus

21 rosemary

22 parsley

23 arnica

24 garlic

25 whitchhazel







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Top 25 list

From: Joia Nalezny <jnalezny@BW.EDU>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:34:59 -0500

--------

My top 25 are:(in absolutely no order what-so-ever)

1. Mint

2. Nettles

3. Dandelion

4. Echinacia

5. Saint John's Wort

6. Ginseng

7. Ginger

8. Tarragon

9. Basil

10.Licorice

11.Chickweed

12.Dill

13.Cayenne

14.Curry

15.Saffron

16.Oat straw

17.Burdock

18.Chia

19.Lavendar

20.Oregeno

21.Voilet

22.Chives

23.Garlic

24.Horseradish

25.

                               "BLESSED BE"

                               *  Joia  *

                                   **

                             jnalezny@bw.edu

                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Top 25 list

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@MAIL.SDSU.EDU>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:16:51 -0800

--------

How are you using the Chia?





>My top 25 are:(in absolutely no order what-so-ever)

>1. Mint

>2. Nettles

>3. Dandelion

>4. Echinacia

>5. Saint John's Wort

>6. Ginseng

>7. Ginger

>8. Tarragon

>9. Basil

>10.Licorice

>11.Chickweed

>12.Dill

>13.Cayenne

>14.Curry

>15.Saffron

>16.Oat straw

>17.Burdock

>18.Chia

>19.Lavendar

>20.Oregeno

>21.Voilet

>22.Chives

>23.Garlic

>24.Horseradish

>25.

>                               "BLESSED BE"

>                               *  Joia  *

>                                   **

>                             jnalezny@bw.edu

>                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^





Natalie Pastor

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu



"Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished"

                                Lao Tzu







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Top 25 list

From: Joia Nalezny <jnalezny@BW.EDU>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:17:50 -0500

--------

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Natalie Pastor wrote:



> How are you using the Chia?

> >18.Chia

                I use Chia(Salvia cowmbariae or sage) primarily when

backpacking or fasting. I began using it years ago when I was being

trained by a shaman.  It is traditionally used for strength and endurance

by native americans.  It is also extremely convenient when you want fresh

greens on a winter backpack, but don't want to carry the weight.  They

sprout quickly and easily and can be eaten either as seeds or sprouts.

                                   **

                              "BLESSED BE"

                               *  Joia  *

                                   **

                             jnalezny@bw.edu

                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herbs for osteoporsis

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@MAIL.SDSU.EDU>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:08:47 -0800

--------

does anyone have suggestions on herbs to prevent and aid this condition? i

have found references to alfalfa, horsetail and nettles. are there others?

thanks for any input,

natalie



Natalie Pastor

Library Instruction/Graphic Services

SDSU University Library

e-mail: npastor@mail.sdsu.edu

telephone: 619-594-2732



"Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished"

  Lao Tzu







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for osteoporsis

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:22:30 -0500

--------

Oatstraw is my #1 anti-osteoporosis herb.  The others you mention are

also good, as is red clover blossoms.  Make an overnight infusion by

pouring boiling water over ioz. herb in a quart jar.  Cap and strain in

the morning.  Drink at least 2 cups per day.  Try to use no more than 2

at a time, and vary them sequentially with 2 week periods for each.



Infuse vinegar with any of these herbs for a month and take at least a

tablespoon a day.  The acidity helps your body absorb the minerals.  You

can also put a piece of organic bone in the vinegar.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 09:08:47 -0800 Natalie Pastor <npastor@MAIL.SDSU.EDU>

writes:

>does anyone have suggestions on herbs to prevent and aid this

>condition? i

>have found references to alfalfa, horsetail and nettles. are there

>others?

>thanks for any input,

>natalie

>

>Natalie Pastor

>Library Instruction/Graphic Services

>SDSU University Library

>e-mail: npastor@mail.sdsu.edu

>telephone: 619-594-2732

>

>"Nature does not hurry, yet everything is accomplished"

>  Lao Tzu

>



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==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for osteoporsis

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:33:25 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-13 07:36:02 EST, you write:



<< Try to use no more than 2

 at a time, and vary them sequentially with 2 week periods for each.

 >>

This is a little confusing to me ~ would you mind explaining the dosage,

length of treatment, and which combinations you were talking about.



Thanks,

Jessyka







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ulcerated Color (colon?)

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 13:22:05 -0700

--------

20 years ago, I had a problem with severe colon bleeding, as well as an

ulcer.  I was given the advice to squeeze purple cabbage juice, and drink

(I think 1/4 cup??) every 2 hours. The juice must be squeezed fresh and

used within 15 minutes.  I believe this was done fasting- no food.  The

bleeding quit within 12 hours. This was, I believe, from Prevention

Magazine, early '70s.

margo





> I have a friend that has just been diagnosed with this illness.

>

> Has anyone had success in treating themselves, family or friends with

> this ailment.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:09:58 EST

--------

I received some distressing news today about the United States Pharmacopeia's

monographs on ginger and valarian. In both cases, the USP Monograph Committee

did not find sufficient scientific evidence for the herbs' effectiveness. I

copied the info from the USP website for all to see.



<<

            USP Does Not Find Scientific Support for Ginger Use

                               January 29, 1998

USP's expert advisory panelists have determined that there is insufficient

evidence in the medical and scientific literature to support recommending

ginger for the prevention of nausea and vomiting. The botanical  plant-based

product is available as a dietary supplement and is being used by many

consumers experiencing motion sickness and nausea and vomiting after surgery.

Ginger extract is available in tablet, capsule, or liquid form, and as an

herbal tea. While recognizing that ginger has a long history of use and a lack

of reported harmful side effects, USP expert advisory panels have concluded

that they cannot at this time support a general recommendation for its use due

to the lack of adequate scientific evidence and conflicting study results. USP

does encourage, however, further research on ginger, including at least one

adequate and well-controlled clinical trial.  USP recognizes that even in the

absence of adequate scientific evidence supporting the effectiveness of ginger

for the prevention of nausea and vomiting, many consumers may continue to

purchase the popular dietary supplement. To respond to concerns about the

variability in quality and content of ginger products currently available to

consumers, USP, therefore, is establishing standards of quality for ginger.

These standards will appear in the National Formulary (NF), an official

publication of USP. Manufacturers meeting the new standards will then be able

to put "NF" on product labels to convey to consumers that the ginger in the

product complies with the NF standards. A patient education leaflet for ginger

is available from USP's Web Site at <www.usp.org/did/mgraphs/botanica>. The

full ginger monograph containing evidence tables and references is available

for $25.00 from USP's Document Disclosure Department.





                      USP Does Not Find Support for Valerian Use

                                    January 26, 1998



USP's expert advisory panelists have determined that there is insufficient

evidence in the medical and scientific literature to support recommending

valerian for the short-term treatment of insomnia. The botanical--or plant-

based product--is available as a dietary supplement and is being used by many

consumers experiencing difficulty in falling asleep and poor sleep quality.

Valerian extract is available in tablet, capsule, or liquid form, and as an

herbal tea. While recognizing that valerian has a long history of use and a

lack of reported harmful side effects, USP expert advisory panels concluded

that they could not at this time support a general recommendation for

its use due to the lack of adequate scientific evidence and conflicting study

results. USP does however, encourage further research on valerian, including

at least one adequate and well-controlled clinical trial. USP recognizes that

even in the absence of adequate scientific evidence supporting the

effectiveness of valerian for the treatment of insomnia, many consumers may

continue to purchase the popular

dietary supplement. To respond to concerns about the variability of quality

and content of valerian products currently available to consumers, USP,

therefore, is establishing standards of quality for valerian. These standards

will appear in the National Formulary (NF), an official publication of USP.

Manufacturers who meet the new standards will then be able to put "NF" on

their product labels to convey to consumers that the valerian in the product

complies with the NF standards. A patient leaflet about valerian is available

from USP's Web site at <www.usp.org/did/mgraphs/botanica>. The full valerian

monograph containing evidence tables and references, is available for $25.00

from USP's Document Disclosure Department.

>>



I don't know who is on the USP Monograph Committee, but the USP carries

official United States legal status and I think there should be some concerted

effort to overturn these negative comments. It might even take several years

but I think it'll be worth the effort.



To begin, does anyone know of an valid studies on either of these herbs. I'm

surprised that the USP could only find a "lack of adequate scientific evidence

and conflicting study result". Perhaps, there are U.S. studies and/or non-U.S.

studies that have been overlooked. I'd also like to find out who's on the USP

Monograph Committee.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 20:25:20 GMT

--------

On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:09:58 EST, Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>I received some distressing news today about the United States Pharmacopeia's

>monographs on ginger and valarian. In both cases, the USP Monograph Committee

>did not find sufficient scientific evidence for the herbs' effectiveness. I

>copied the info from the USP website for all to see.



Come on, who cares about what some governmental body says or does not say about

the efficacy of herbs? They work, that should be enough for ANY herbalist.



Most 'adequate' scientific research is done on rodents, insects, elephants, or

even beings from outer space, using pure constituents - this has no bearing

whatsoever on the effect of whole plants (as used by herbalists, in tinctures,

teas or whatnots) on human beings.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:04:30 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-13 00:30:17 EST, you write:



<<

 Come on, who cares about what some governmental body says or does not say

about

 the efficacy of herbs? They work, that should be enough for ANY herbalist.



 Most 'adequate' scientific research is done on rodents, insects, elephants,

or

 even beings from outer space, using pure constituents - this has no bearing

 whatsoever on the effect of whole plants (as used by herbalists, in

tinctures,

 teas or whatnots) on human beings.



 Henriette

  >>



The herbal community has alway been separate from allopaths ...letting them do

what they want, but I think there needs to be discussion and dialogue. Perhap

I have a different attitude because I'm an allopath AND interested in herbs.



After doing a medline search and perusing the various studies, I think the USP

could have been a little more favorable ..without coming out with an

endorsement or a recommendation. Some studies have demonstrated beneficial

results and a couple have not. Drugs have been approved with conflicting

results as long as most were  positive ...I don't see why with herbs

everything needs to line up on the beneficial side 100%. Have a look yourself

and let me know what you think.



I'd like to find out who is on the USP monograph committee. Do you think

anyone at the ABC would know?



Elliot







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:08:13 EST

--------

sorry the file wasn't attached. -Elliot

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:27:06 GMT

--------

On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:08:13 EST, Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>ginger research attachment:



Right. Now you throw out all studies done on dogs, rabbits, rats, frogs (!) and

guinea pigs, and all done with just one single consituent of ginger, and all

done in a glass bottle, and voila, you'll see that ginger helps with nausea. It

also seems to help with platelet aggregation, seems to work against blood

clotting, and it is widely recognized as a peripheral vasodilator.



This Backon guy seems to be mumbling about possible side effects, but as no

summary is included it's impossible to say if he did research on spiders or

humans, and with what, so discount him -- unless you can get your hands on those

articles.



The guys who conclude that ginger does not have anti-motionsickness activity

probably have never given it to a kid with motion sickness, riding in their car.



The guys who did the other motion sickness study were better scientists: they

conclude that ginger does not work against  motionsickness via the vestibular or

oculomotor system (same result as the guys above, but a better conclusion), but

probably in the gut.

The HOW of it is always very good to know, and this is a valid study for us,

folks.



Now remove all the irrelevant studies from your Valeriana medline summaries, and

separate those done with fresh plant tincture (if any) from those done with dry

plant tincture / capsules.

You'll find that fresh Valeriana has less side effects than dry Valeriana, but

that both will put about 80 % of the population to a good resting sleep while

putting the remaining 20 % to sleep with Valeriana overworking already

overworked organs - these guys wake up with a Valeriana hangover the next

morning.



Concluding that studies on frogs, rats and rabbits are relevant to humans is

just as silly as concluding that the population  of Finland will be reduced to 0

in another 500 years, based on just the last 50 years of population development

- that's called lousy science.



Once you know that an herb works you need to learn how it works, on what kind of

folks it works, in which form it's most efficient, why it works, and what

part(s) of it work that way. You learn that by using the herbs, and by sifting

thru a -lot- of studies, throwing out all the irrelevant ones.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: Carol Ostrander <CarolnNY@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:42:54 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-13 00:29:48 EST, Henriette writes:



<< Come on, who cares about what some governmental body says or does not say

about

 the efficacy of herbs? They work, that should be enough for ANY herbalist.

  >>



You got that right..... case in point.... aspartame.. they say its safe.  It

is easy to put aside the 1.9 million recognized aspartame toxicity reactions

in the U.S.  between 1982 & 1995, reactions ranging from mild to very serious

illnesses.

(ref. http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/aspfaq.html)



Carol







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:43:23 +0000

--------

for those of you that don't know, Aspartame is the same as

Nutrasweet.As in Diet Coke etc.





In a message dated 98-02-13 00:29:48 EST, Henriette writes:



<< Come on, who cares about what some governmental body says or does

not say

about

 the efficacy of herbs? They work, that should be enough for ANY

herbalist.

  >>



You got that right..... case in point.... aspartame.. they say its

safe.  It

is easy to put aside the 1.9 million recognized aspartame toxicity

reactions

in the U.S.  between 1982 & 1995, reactions ranging from mild to very

serious

illnesses.

(ref. http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/aspfaq.html)



Carol







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: C Adgate <cadgate@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:53:49 -0500

--------

Now Now, and it was the herbists that said sasprillia was safe too.  I

still say we need to provide good controled data studies for proof.  THis "

I know it works" is what snake oil slingers say.

I am for spending my tax dollars on studying herbs and proving they work.



At 01:43 PM 2/15/98 +0000, you wrote:

>for those of you that don't know, Aspartame is the same as

>Nutrasweet.As in Diet Coke etc.

>

>

>In a message dated 98-02-13 00:29:48 EST, Henriette writes:

>

><< Come on, who cares about what some governmental body says or does

>not say

>about

> the efficacy of herbs? They work, that should be enough for ANY

>herbalist.

>  >>

>

>You got that right..... case in point.... aspartame.. they say its

>safe.  It

>is easy to put aside the 1.9 million recognized aspartame toxicity

>reactions

>in the U.S.  between 1982 & 1995, reactions ranging from mild to very

>serious

>illnesses.

>(ref. http://www.holisticmed.com/aspartame/aspfaq.html)

>

>Carol

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 07:36:46 +0000

--------

re sarasparilla:  are you confusing this herb with sassafrass?

Sarasparilla is used in many detoxification processes and is on the

GRAS (Generally Regarded AS SAFE) list of the FDA.  Sassafrass is

involved with controversy regarding Safrole, one of it's constituent.

And I believe there are herbalists that have used this herb safely as

well.



What is so about double blind "scientific" studies is that the

scientists believe you can start with an even playing field and that

an herb has the same effect on everyone.  Herbs will effect everyone

differently as we all have different constitutions, chemistry and

states of health that may or may not be benefited by a certain herb or

drug.



Approaching use of an herb from a historical perspective yields more

pertinent information.  A drug company producing a drug has about 1 in

10,000,000 chance of coming up with something in the Lab, while an

Ethnobotanist in the field speaking with Shamans has a 95% chance of

finding a successful drug for it's specific intended traditional use.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: C Adgate <cadgate@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:47:51 -0500

--------

  are you confusing this herb with sassafrass?

>

I am speaking re: Sassafrass.  I knew someone who died from liver toxicty

20 years ago.  Hopefully it is stlll banned.

>

I disagree that approaching items from a historical perspecitve yiedls more

pertinent information.  You don't know if everyone was measuring things the

same- that is the issue  What is wrong with your agrument is exactly that

we don't start everyone on the same playing field.  How can you recommned

something if it does react differently  with everyone?



Where do you get your statistic's from ?  I am not advocating drug

companies - certainly their incentives are to create drugs that make money

and not use traditional herbal solutions.  But I think we need to balance

science with "intuition" - it will help more people in the long run.



Cindy







>What is so about double blind "scientific" studies is that the

>scientists believe you can start with an even playing field and that

>an herb has the same effect on everyone.  Herbs will effect everyone

>differently as we all have different constitutions, chemistry and

>states of health that may or may not be benefited by a certain herb or

>drug.

>

>Approaching use of an herb from a historical perspective yields more

>pertinent information.  A drug company producing a drug has about 1 in

>10,000,000 chance of coming up with something in the Lab, while an

>Ethnobotanist in the field speaking with Shamans has a 95% chance of

>finding a successful drug for it's specific intended traditional use.

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: USP monographs on ginger and valarian

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 01:22:19 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-13 07:42:38 EST, you write:



> Most 'adequate' scientific research is done on rodents, insects, elephants,

or

>  even beings from outer space, using pure constituents - this has no bearing

>  whatsoever on the effect of whole plants (as used by herbalists, in

> tinctures,

>  teas or whatnots) on human beings.

>

>  Henriette



My shortest response of the year - AMEN!!!!!







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Euc. Study

From: Ela Heyn <Ela_Heyn@NOTES.PW.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:09:01 EST

--------

Here's the study someone was looking for:



<URL: http://www.ama-assn.org/special/asthma/newsline/reuters/11051375.htm>

    Washing With Eucalyptus Oil Rids Bedding Of Asthma-Provoking Mites

    (Reuters 11/05)

Errors-To: owner-getweb@usa.healthnet.org

X-Loop: MailBot

Precedence: junk

From: getweb@usa.healthnet.org

Reply-To: getweb@usa.healthnet.org



 Asthma Information Center



Newsline



Reuters Health Information Services





Washing With Eucalyptus Oil Rids Bedding Of Asthma-Provoking Mites



WESTPORT, Nov 5 (Reuters) - Eucalyptus oil added to detergent kills

almost all house dust mites during machine washing of blankets,

report Australian researchers in the October issue of the Journal of

Asthma and Clinical Immunology.



Dr. Euan R. Tovey, of the University of Sydney, and colleagues note

that 95% of mite allergen can be removed from fabrics by cold or warm

water laundering. However, most mites survive. Eradication would

likely slow allergen build-up, but high temperatures or laboratory

detergents are generally required for effective extermination.



The researchers compared live mite recovery from blankets washed in

warm water containing dishwashing detergent, with or without

eucalyptus oil. Four parts eucalyptus oil were emulsified with one

part of a specific concentrated detergent. Only 0.6% of mites

survived the eucalyptus treatment, whereas 97.6% were still alive

after exposure to detergent alone.



By using readily-available eucalyptus oil, the team conclude, "...it

is possible to make a simple, effective laundry acaricidal wash that

eliminates the need for very hot water and that may maintain low

allergen levels in bedding for longer than normal laundering alone."



J Allergy Clin Immunol 1997;100:464-466.



co 1997 Reuters Health Information Services, Inc. All rights reserved.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Euc. Study

From: Geoff & Mary Orr <gorr@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:13:36 -0500

--------

>Washing With Eucalyptus Oil Rids Bedding Of Asthma-Provoking Mites

...

>likely slow allergen build-up, but high temperatures or laboratory

>detergents are generally required for effective extermination.





I haven't seen anywhere about the high heat generated in a clothes dryer

being able to destroy the mites themselves.  Could the dryer heat be enough

to compensate for the washer not being able to kill the mites?



What about long exposure to the sun on a clothes line?



Mary Orr

Geoff and Mary Orr

gorr@ix.netcom.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herbs in oil

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 15:18:33 -0700

--------

Is oil (in this case olive) limited in what it can 'hold'?    If I infuse a

bottle of oil with garlic, after 3 weeks discard that garlic and put in

fresh garlic... can I, after 3 more weeks, discard that garlic and add,

say, mullein flowers to the same oil? Or does the oil only retain just so

much?

margo

margo@gemstate.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: Herbal Inclinations <HerbalIncl@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:29:25 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-12 17:33:35 EST, margo@GEMSTATE.NET writes:



<< Is oil (in this case olive) limited in what it can 'hold'?    If I infuse a

 bottle of oil with garlic, after 3 weeks discard that garlic and put in

 fresh garlic... can I, after 3 more weeks, discard that garlic and add,

 say, mullein flowers to the same oil? Or does the oil only retain just so

 much?

  >>





Oh my, I certainly would not advise putting garlic in olive oil and letting it

stand, unless you want a really good case of botulism!



Garlic harbors the spore (clostridium botulinum) which causes botulism.  When

placed in oil, such as olive, no air gets into it, and the c. botulinum grows

rampant.



If you want to make yourself garlic oil (for yourself only, NOT for sale) use

dried garlic flakes or dried minced garlic.  If you plan on making vinegars or

oils for sale, you best make sure you are making them in a commercial kitchen,

have applied for "licensing" or "certification" from your local and/or state

health departments (who will require you to spend money to have your vinegars

and oils tested before they even speak to you about certifying your process).



Sorry, but we've just gone through this for our vinegars in Maryland, and are

still going through the very long process of making sure our vinegars "pass

inspection," which they do according to lab tests, but we haven't been able to

get the State to see our process yet, so we've had to put our herbal vinegar

production on hold.  We were going to attempt oils, but found that, according

to the State of Maryland (which follows FDA guidelines as most states do),

oils are a touchy, touchy subject.  Most state health departments will require

you to go through classes (which are VERY expensive) before they even think

about talking to you ... of course, something I find very ironic is people can

make jams and jellies in their homes and sell them ...



Well, I'll get off my soap box now.



Pat

Herbal Inclinations, Inc.

http://members.aol.com/herbalincl







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: SNYDER NADINE <Nadine.Snyder@COLORADO.EDU>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:36:52 -0700

--------

Yikes!! This really caught my eye.  I make my own stir fry oil using a

blend of canola, peanut and sesame and olive oils combined with fresh

garlic cloves and fresh ginger root with bruised sesame seeds.  I keep it

refrigerated in a clear glass bottle. This is only the second time I've

made it and I haven't used any of this batch yet.  Have I too just been

lucky?  Should I toss this stuff out?  I certainly don't want to make

anyone in my family sick.



Thanks!

-Nadine





>

>

> Oh my, I certainly would not advise putting garlic in olive oil and letting it

> stand, unless you want a really good case of botulism!

>

> Garlic harbors the spore (clostridium botulinum) which causes botulism.  When

> placed in oil, such as olive, no air gets into it, and the c. botulinum grows

> rampant.

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:38:41 -0700

--------

Would this type of 'garlic oil'  still have the qualities needed to heal

ear troubles?  Is botulism only dangerous if it is ingested?  I have used

my garlic oil for years for ear infections. I wonder if I have just been

lucky, or...?

margo

> <snip>> If you want to make yourself garlic oil,use

> dried garlic flakes or dried minced garlic.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:47:00 -0800

--------

At 03:18 PM 2/12/98 -0700, margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

 wrote:

>Is oil (in this case olive) limited in what it can 'hold'?    If I infuse a

>bottle of oil with garlic, after 3 weeks discard that garlic and put in

>fresh garlic... can I, after 3 more weeks, discard that garlic and add,

>say, mullein flowers to the same oil? Or does the oil only retain just so

>much?

>margo

>margo@gemstate.net





Good question, Margo.  With regard to garlic, you don't want to leave your

garlic in the oil for too long because the garlic itself will begin to

deteriorate and mold and then quickly ruin your oil.  Three weeks is close

to the maximum recommended time (30 days).  And, best to keep your finished

oil refrigerated to extend shelf life.  You certainly can continue to add

new garlic and it will infuse into the already-infused oil.  If you are

macerating (grinding/smashing) the garlic, it will infuse better into the

oil, then strain the garlic out.  And, you can add mullein flowers to the

same oil, also.  I would infuse the mullein flowers first and then add the

garlic, but that's maybe just my preference, not any hard and fast rule.



Be well,





Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:57:30 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-12 18:31:23 EST, you write:



<< We were going to attempt oils, but found that, according

 to the State of Maryland (which follows FDA guidelines as most states do),

 oils are a touchy, touchy subject.  Most state health departments will

require

 you to go through classes (which are VERY expensive) before they even think

 about talking to you ... of course, something I find very ironic is people

can

 make jams and jellies in their homes and sell them ...



 Well, I'll get off my soap box now.



 Pat

 Herbal Inclinations, Inc.

 http://members.aol.com/herbalincl >>



I ADD:



Pat, where in Maryland are you?  I'm in Silver Spring and am getting ready to

give herbalism classes this spring at nearby nurseries and a health food

center...would love to see you!



Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:44:41 -0500

--------

I've used garlic oil for years without problem, but I only use

unblemished cloves and I don't sell it.  I will not store unpeeled garlic

in oil, because of botulism, but it doesn't seem to be that common a

problem. (Not to minimize the dangers, because botulism is extremely

deadly.)   If garlic in oil creating conditions for botulism were such a

widespread problem, then pesto (which is raw) could not be sold

commercially and the Italian vegetables "sott'olio" would never have made

it into traditional culture.



All infused oils should be decanted and the watery liquid at the bottom

left behind.



And no infused oils should be used if they develop off odors or colors.



Dried garlic would not give the benefits needed for an ear oil.  They are

volatile and escape into the air during drying.



Reinfusing the oil with more garlic would work, but probably isn't

necessary.  I'd put the mullein in separately and mix it with an extra

strong garlic oil.



Commercial and permit problems are a whole other problem.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:38:41 -0700 margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

writes:

>Would this type of 'garlic oil'  still have the qualities needed to

>heal

>ear troubles?  Is botulism only dangerous if it is ingested?  I have

>used

>my garlic oil for years for ear infections. I wonder if I have just

>been

>lucky, or...?

>margo

>> <snip>> If you want to make yourself garlic oil,use

>> dried garlic flakes or dried minced garlic.

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: Diane Walker <DianaFiona@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:26:39 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-13 07:30:23 EST, you write:



<<

 Oh my, I certainly would not advise putting garlic in olive oil and letting

it

 stand, unless you want a really good case of botulism!



 Garlic harbors the spore (clostridium botulinum) which causes botulism.  When

 placed in oil, such as olive, no air gets into it, and the c. botulinum grows

 rampant.

  >>

     I have read, however, that soaking the garlic cloves in vinegar for about

24 hours will kill any botulism spores that happen to be on your cloves. You

can then dry the cloves and add them to the oil safely. I believe I read this

several years back in the Herb Companion or Herb Quarterly, after garlic oil

was discovered to be potentially hazardous. Anyone have any better, more

scientific, info on this?



    Diane Walker







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: Herbal Inclinations <HerbalIncl@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:26:11 EST

--------

The trick is how it is prepared and stored.  If the ingredients were perfectly

clean, the bottle sterilized, the oil heated properly; there's probably no

problem.  And refrigeration is the best thing to do.  Making your own oils for

yourself using some basic "canning" guidelines should be safe.



As far as commercially made and sold products are concerned, one person stated

that pesto (which is raw) and other Italian goodie wouldn't have made it into

the traditional culture.  This is true ... but keep in mind that most items

are processed according to very strict manufacturing, FDA, and health

department guidelines.  And most bottled products are heat processed (much

like canning we do in our own homes).



Pat

Herbal Inclinations, Inc.

http://members.aol.com/herbalincl



In a message dated 2/13/98 11:39:09 AM, you wrote:



<<Yikes!! This really caught my eye.  I make my own stir fry oil using a

blend of canola, peanut and sesame and olive oils combined with fresh

garlic cloves and fresh ginger root with bruised sesame seeds.  I keep it

refrigerated in a clear glass bottle. This is only the second time I've

made it and I haven't used any of this batch yet.  Have I too just been

lucky?  Should I toss this stuff out?  I certainly don't want to make

anyone in my family sick.

>>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: Herbal Inclinations <HerbalIncl@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:28:29 EST

--------

I, too, had read this, but several people (both at FDA, Maryland State

Department of Health, and an independent lab) state this is not true.



Yes, it is true that infusing garlic in vinegar is safe to use (the vinegar

that is...because vinegar is naturally acidic).  However, there is no proven

scientific evidence to show that garlic soaked in vinegar, then infused in

oil, kills the spores of clostridium botulinum.  Certainly, anyone with more

knowledge than I on this subject ... jump on in!



Pat Stang

Herbal Inclinations, Inc.

http://members.aol.com/herbalincl



In a message dated 2/13/98 12:27:37 PM, you wrote:



<<     I have read, however, that soaking the garlic cloves in vinegar for

about

24 hours will kill any botulism spores that happen to be on your cloves. You

can then dry the cloves and add them to the oil safely. I believe I read this

several years back in the Herb Companion or Herb Quarterly, after garlic oil

was discovered to be potentially hazardous. Anyone have any better, more

scientific, info on this?

>>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:26:27 -0800

--------

I don't have the time or inclination to sort through this entire thing.

However, straight away I notice several glaring errors, which to me signify

the entire treatise is a load of crap.



                   "Canola Oil is an Industrial Oil

                  Not Fit For Human Consumption."



Canola is an industrial oil, huh? OK THEN... let's stop using Peanut Oil,

Beef Fat, Soy Oil, Olive Oil and all manner of others because they TOO have

also been used "industrially".  Just because a product is used in one arena

does NOT make it unfit for use in others.



"Now comes information that Canola Oil is the suspected causative

agent for Scrapie, a viral disease transmitted to cattle who were fed

      rendered sheep infected with Scrapie."



Scrapie is not viral.  The actual modality of this disease is not

completely understood at this point. A prion is the suspected infectious

agent.  Further, if Scrapie WAS viral then how the hell could Canola oil

cause it?  Scrapie pre-dates the usage of canola oil by several hundred

years. There is literature/record of this strange sheep skin rubbing

behavior going back as far as the English farmers have kept records. And

while there DOES appear to be a link between scrapie and BSE (mad cow

disease), it is not conclusively proven at this point.



It turns out that rape is a member of the mustard

family of plants, and is the source for the chemical-agent,

mustard gas, which causes blistering on skin and lungs when

inhaled. Mustard Gas was banned after WWI for this very reason.



Mustard Gas was not manufactured from mustard.  It was called Mustard Gas

because of its color and initial odor in its pure form. It is also reported

to smell like horseradish or rotting onions.  The actual composition of

Mustard Gas is  (ClCH2CH2)2S  (bis(alpha-chloroethyl)sulfite). Mustard Gas

may have been banned but during the Iran/Iraq war (1979 - 1988)

approximately 1,000 Iranian soldiers were killed with it and another 40,000

- 50,000 severely wounded.



Mustard is, indeed, one of our most valuable medicinal and food crops.  It

does have the dubious honor of being the product which spurred print

advertising as we know it.



Other useful plants in the same family are:  rutabaga, turnip, mustard,

numerous cabbage varieties, watercress, horseradish and radish.  Shall we

throw those all out too?



This entire treatise appears to be some alarmist going off half-cocked and

trying to scare the livin' bejeesus out of the rest of the planet.





-----Original Message-----

From:   Irena Franchi [SMTP:d001720c@DC.SEFLIN.ORG]

Sent:   Friday, February 13, 1998 5:20 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: herbs in oil



Hi Listmembers,



The following comes from Essential Oils On Line(#017).

If you will pardon the expression, it seems to be



*food for thought*



Cheers :)

Sam Brooks

<snip>



                         Beware of Canola Oil



                   Canola Oil is an Industrial Oil

                  Not Fit For Human Consumption.



It's amazing to me...The more research I do, the more I see a

relationship between the food we eat and fatal diseases. Canola

oil is no exception. Readers of EOO are familiar with the meat

industry practice of feeding rendered meat "by-products" to

cattle and poultry (EOO #015), and the suspected relationship

of Mad Cow Disease to CJD and Alzheimer's Disease (EOO #016).

Now comes information that Canola Oil is the suspected causative

agent for Scrapie, a viral disease transmitted to cattle who were fed

rendered sheep infected with Scrapie. Both Scrapie and Mad Cow

Disease destroy the brain's ability to function. They literally eat

the brain away, causing blindness, loss of mind and erratic behavior.



Canola oil's real name is "LEAR" oil (Low Erucic Acid Rape).

it is more commonly known as "rape oil," a semi-drying oil that

is used as a lubricant, fuel, soap and synthetic rubber base,

and as an illuminant to give color pages in magazines their

slick look. In short it is an industrial oil that does not

belong in the human body. It is typically referred to in

light industry as a penetrating oil.



Back in the 1980's, rape oil was widely used in animal feeds

in England and throughout Europe. It was banned in 1991. Since

then, Scrapie in sheep has totally disappeared.



While that's good for Europeans, it is bad for Americans because

the problem is now ours. Rape seed oil (Canola oil) is widely

used in thousands of processed foods...with the blessings of

our own government.



Canola oil was first developed in Canada. It's proponents claim

that due to genetic engineering and irradiation, it is no longer

rape oil, but "canola" (Canadian oil). They also claim it is

completely safe, pointing to it's unsaturated structure and

digestibility. Although, I could not verify it, it is claimed

the Canadian government paid the FDA the sum of $50 million

dollars to have canola oil placed on the GRAS list (Generally

Recognized As Safe). However it was done, a new industry

was created.



The truth is however, that rape is the most toxic of all food

oil plants. Not even insects will eat it. No wonder farmers like

growing it. It turns out that rape is a member of the mustard

family of plants, and is the source for the chemical-agent,

mustard gas, which causes blistering on skin and lungs when

inhaled. Mustard Gas was banned after WWI for this very reason.



Studies of canola oil done on rats indicate many problems. Rats

developed fatty degeneration of heart, kidney, adrenals and

thyroid gland. When the canola oil was withdrawn from their diet, the

deposits dissolved, but scar tissue remained on the organs. Why were

no studies done on humans before the FDA placed it on the GRAS list?



Consumed in food, Canola oil depresses the immune system, causing it

to "go to sleep." Canola oil is high in glycosides which cause health

problems by blocking (inhibiting) enzyme function. it's effects are

accumulative, taking years to show up. One possible effect of long

term use is the destruction of the protective coating surrounding

nerves called the mylin sheath. When this protective sheath is gone,

our nerves short-circuit causing erratic, uncontrollable movements.



To test the industrial penetrating strength of canola oil, soak

a towel in both canola oil and regular vegetable oil. Pre-treat

and wash the towel in your clothes washer and compare the area

the two oils occupied...you will notice an oil stain remains on

the area soaked in canola oil. It is so durable, it could take

several washings to completely remove. Now if this is how canola

oil penetrates the fabric of a towel, what damage can it do in

our body?



Because canola oil is so cheap, it is now widely used in the

food industry. If you are curious, just read a few food labels

the next time you are in the grocery store. A good example can

be found with commercially prepared peanut butter. In order to

give peanut butter it's spreadability, Jiffy, Peter Pan and

Skippy brands remove ALL of the natural peanut oil and replace

it with canola oil. Natural peanut butter should only have

peanuts and salt listed in the ingredients.



If you want to use natural peanut butter, it's available in most

stores next to the canola peanut butter. Stir the contents to

mix the oil and peanuts together then store in the refrigerator.

The cold temperature will prevent the peanut oil from separating.

Best of all, you will have eliminated at least one source of a

potential food hazard.



Food consumers have headaches enough, without worrying about

a toxic plant oil being added to their food. The problem is you

will find canola oil in bread, margarines, and all manner of

processed foods. But the consumer is king. Be informed and

make it a practice to read what goes into your food. Avoid

using canola as a cooking oil and salad oil. It is not a

healthy oil.



Resources:



http://www.1999.com/canola/

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/1158/UPDATE.HTM

Perceptions, Aug/Sep 96 issue, The Great Canola Debate

Perceptions, Nov/Dec 95 issue, The Devil's Bargain

Book, Fats That Heal and Fats That Kill, by Udo Erasmus



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On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Marcia Elston wrote:



> At 07:45 PM 2/13/98 -0500, SNYDER NADINE <Nadine.Snyder@COLORADO.EDU>

>  wrote:

> >Get away from canola.  It's an industrial oil, and very unhealful to

> >eat.

> >

> >I have some information about it.  I can post it if there is interest.

> >

> >

> >Irena Franchi

> >d001720c@dc.seflin.org

>

>

> I agree, Irena.  The healthiest vegetable oil to use internally, overall,

> is good old olive oil.  I'd be interested in the information on canola.

>

> Be well,

> Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

> Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

> Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs in oil

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:43:07 EST

--------

Okay, I'm confused now. How about if a third or fourth party steps in here to

set the record straight. Is canola oil an especially poor choice for use in

the kitchen or isn't it? Also, why have people stoppped signing their posts?

It makes things a lot easier when you know clearly who wrote what!



Thanks,

Jessyka







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Insomniac

From: morgan smith <wsmith2@UNF.EDU>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:16:44 -0500

--------

    I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone has any

suggestions on herbs that have successfully helped with insomnia.  Any

personal experiences would be great.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: Herbal Inclinations <HerbalIncl@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:31:12 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-12 18:22:26 EST, you write:



<<     I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone has any

 suggestions on herbs that have successfully helped with insomnia.  Any

 personal experiences would be great.

  >>





Oooh, my FAVORITE is hops.  Yes, it smells nasty at first, but it sure does

work!  Hops (yes, the same stuff found in beer) has a natural sedative called

lupuline in it.  After you get used to the fragrance (you could use some

lavender, chamomile,  or other fragrant herb along with the hops to cut the

fragrance) the fragrance is almost intoxicating.



I would love a very large pillow made just of hops

....l..........ssssnnnoorooroeee.



Pat

Herbal Inclinations, Inc.

http://members.aol.com/herbalincl







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 16:51:34 -0800

--------

At 06:16 PM 2/12/98 -0500, morgan smith <wsmith2@UNF.EDU>

 wrote:

>    I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone has any

>suggestions on herbs that have successfully helped with insomnia.  Any

>personal experiences would be great.





In spite of Elliot Freeman's disappointing findings and information about

Valerian on the USP (United States Pharmacopeia) I highly recommend it for

insomnia.  It is a valuable muscle relaxant.  Add a little chamomile for a

strong night tea and try it.  Might need honey - valerian isn't exactly the

tastiest herb around.  Root for the valerian; flowering tops for the

chamomile.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:49:53 -0900

--------

At 10:00 PM 2/12/98 PST, you wrote:

>I have a client who awakens during the night and has tried Melatonin and

Valerian with no success...Any other suggestions?

>



There are a number of reasons a person would awaken in the night.  This is

not enough information to suggest herbal treatment.  For starters though

I'd suggest eating a protein snack at bedtime.  Low blood sugar can trigger

an adrenaline  release and cause sleeplessness.  Avoid caffeine, sugars and

excessive carbohydrate consumption during the day.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:02:07 -0800

--------

re: waking up during the night, i too have this little habit, and habit

is really what i think it is.  i don't think i've slept a whole 8 hours

uninterrupted in my life, but it definately got considerably worse after

the birth of my daughter and night feedings.  she's 9, and mom's still

waking up, talk about trained:)  i  also wake myself up when changing

position, or from dreams, and as i'm a light sleeper, my husband often

wakes me up with his snoring.



it's not something i would consider a disability, though, unless the poor

person finds themselves unable to get back to sleep, or unless it's

something they just started doing.  then i could see where it would cause

some trouble. getting back to sleep is something i have no problem with

generally.  i imagine i do require a bit more sleep than the average

person. if i get under 8 hours per night for several nights i start to

feel it, and often i can really use a nap around 2 pm, but for the most

part it's not too bad, and i've never taken anything for it.  in fact,

until very recently, i thought *everyone* was like this:)



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Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: "Rhonda R. Selby" <soulvision@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:45:15 EST

--------

Hello,



I'm new to the list also.  I've been using vallerian for my insomnia.



  I am also looking for herbs which might help to relieve TMJ, so any

suggestions would be appreciated.





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Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: Joia Nalezny <jnalezny@BW.EDU>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:15:57 -0500

--------

>   I am also looking for herbs which might help to relieve TMJ, so any

> suggestions would be appreciated.

I also would be interested on herbs for TMJ - my husband and myself both

suffer, we continually wake each other and say "your grinding again".  Any

help at all would be appreciated.  A mouth guard has been suggested by our

dentist, but the idea makes us both extremely uncomfortable.



                                   **

                              "BLESSED BE"

                               *  Joia  *

                                   **

                             jnalezny@bw.edu

                             ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: "Dresner, Richard R" <rrd91663@GLAXOWELLCOME.CO.UK>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:28:52 -0000

--------

At 12 Feb 1998 18:31:12 -0500 Herbal Inclinations  wrote:

<<

> Oooh, my FAVORITE is hops.  Yes, it smells nasty at first, but it sure

> does

> work!  Hops (yes, the same stuff found in beer) has a natural sedative

> called

> lupuline in it.  After you get used to the fragrance (you could use some

> lavender, chamomile,  or other fragrant herb along with the hops to cut

> the

> fragrance) the fragrance is almost intoxicating.

>

> I would love a very large pillow made just of hops

> ....l..........ssssnnnoorooroeee.

>>



Hi Pat



How to you make your *sleeping potion* ? Do you simply eat the hops dry or

mixed with some water/oil? How much chamomile would I need to add? And how

much do you need to get a good night's sleep?



Can hops be bought in a health store? And are there different types and

qualities?



Boy, this is like twenty questions! :)



Eternally grateful

Rick

> rrd91663@GlaxoWellcome.co.uk

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:27:28 -0500

--------

You can buy a pound of hops flowers, which is enough to fill a pillow

from Frontier for about  $7.50 (nci).  It can be used in baths for

relaxation and, on 3 consecutive nights , as an external bath treatment

for depression.  You can make a standard infusion of the dried flowers

before bed.  But it should NOT be drunk by someone who is depressed

because it will make them worse. (Hence "crying in their beer"?)



A beer-making supply store might have different varieties of Humulus

lupus.  Mostly I've seen hops concentrates bottled for the beer makers,

from different areas.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 09:28:52 -0000 "Dresner, Richard R" >

>> I would love a very large pillow made just of hops

>> ....l..........ssssnnnoorooroeee.

>>>

>

>How to you make your *sleeping potion* ? Do you simply eat the hops dry

or

>mixed with some water/oil? How much chamomile would I need to add? And

>how much do you need to get a good night's sleep?

>

>Can hops be bought in a health store? And are there different types

>and qualities?



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Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: Herbal Inclinations <HerbalIncl@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:10:14 EST

--------

In a message dated 2/13/98 4:29:35 AM, you wrote:



<<How to you make your *sleeping potion* ? Do you simply eat the hops dry or

mixed with some water/oil? How much chamomile would I need to add? And how

much do you need to get a good night's sleep?



Can hops be bought in a health store? And are there different types and

qualities?

>>



You don't eat them ... yuck.  You sleep with them.



Yes, they can probably be bought in a health store, but you'd probably need to

look hard to find them.  If you can't find them, let me know...I can get them

for you.



Pat







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: Scott Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:38:29 +0000

--------

At 01:10 PM 2/13/98 EST, Herbal Inclinations wrote:

>In a message dated 2/13/98 4:29:35 AM, you wrote:

>

><<How to you make your *sleeping potion* ? Do you simply eat the hops dry

or.....

><snip>

>

>You don't eat them ... yuck.  You sleep with them.

>

<snip>



OR... You make a "going-to-bed" tea!  Just about 20 minutes from when you

intend to fall asleep!  (Hops add the "bitter" texture to beer so you might

wish to steep a bit of chamomile or lemon zest or mint along with the hops.)



Scott







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:17:08 -0500

--------

Dried valerian can keep a person up, particularly if they suffer from

adrenal stress (and that is very common with insomniacs.)  Tincture made

from fresh, not dried, valerian may work much better- drying chemically

changes the root.  Alternatively a capsule made from a fresh-root extract

might work better than the dried herb.



That said, warm milk with honey, sometimes with passion flower or

valerian tincture has seemed to work for my husband who had a serious

problem.  And since he substituted SJW for Prozac, he has much less

insomnia.



There is one other thing.  If your client has suffered from insomnia for

a while, the habit may persist after the cause has been resolved.  Making

certain that they don't stay up- at most drinking a fast cup of warm milk

or chamomile tea, then zipping back to bed- can go a long way to breaking

the habit.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:00:31 PST Paula Baumgartner <yogt@KIVA.NET>

writes:

>I have a client who awakens during the night and has tried Melatonin

>and =

>Valerian with no success...Any other suggestions?

>

>----------

>> At 06:16 PM 2/12/98 -0500, morgan smith <wsmith2@UNF.EDU>

>>  wrote:

>> >    I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone has any

>> >suggestions on herbs that have successfully helped with insomnia.

>Any

>> >personal experiences would be great.

>>

>>

>> In spite of Elliot Freeman's disappointing findings and information

>abo=

>ut

>> Valerian on the USP (United States Pharmacopeia) I highly recommend

>it =

>for

>> insomnia.  It is a valuable muscle relaxant.  Add a little chamomile

>=

>for a

>> strong night tea and try it.  Might need honey - valerian isn't

>exactly=

> the

>> tastiest herb around.  Root for the valerian; flowering tops for the

>> chamomile.

>>

>> Be well,

>> Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

>> Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy

>Products,

>> Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

>> http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/

>>

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: Irena Franchi <d001720c@DC.SEFLIN.ORG>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 20:56:39 -0500

--------

I have sleep problems, and I notice that if I take valerian in the

morning, I'm able to sleep better if I take it at evening.





Irena Franchi

d001720c@dc.seflin.org





On Fri, 13 Feb 1998, Karen S Vaughan wrote:



> Dried valerian can keep a person up, particularly if they suffer from

> adrenal stress (and that is very common with insomniacs.)  Tincture made

> from fresh, not dried, valerian may work much better- drying chemically

> changes the root.  Alternatively a capsule made from a fresh-root extract

> might work better than the dried herb.

>

> That said, warm milk with honey, sometimes with passion flower or

> valerian tincture has seemed to work for my husband who had a serious

> problem.  And since he substituted SJW for Prozac, he has much less

> insomnia.

>

> There is one other thing.  If your client has suffered from insomnia for

> a while, the habit may persist after the cause has been resolved.  Making

> certain that they don't stay up- at most drinking a fast cup of warm milk

> or chamomile tea, then zipping back to bed- can go a long way to breaking

> the habit.

>

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com

> ****************************************

> Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

> See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.

>

> On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:00:31 PST Paula Baumgartner <yogt@KIVA.NET>

> writes:

> >I have a client who awakens during the night and has tried Melatonin

> >and =

> >Valerian with no success...Any other suggestions?

> >

> >----------

> >> At 06:16 PM 2/12/98 -0500, morgan smith <wsmith2@UNF.EDU>

> >>  wrote:

> >> >    I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone has any

> >> >suggestions on herbs that have successfully helped with insomnia.

> >Any

> >> >personal experiences would be great.

> >>

> >>

> >> In spite of Elliot Freeman's disappointing findings and information

> >abo=

> >ut

> >> Valerian on the USP (United States Pharmacopeia) I highly recommend

> >it =

> >for

> >> insomnia.  It is a valuable muscle relaxant.  Add a little chamomile

> >=

> >for a

> >> strong night tea and try it.  Might need honey - valerian isn't

> >exactly=

> > the

> >> tastiest herb around.  Root for the valerian; flowering tops for the

> >> chamomile.

> >>

> >> Be well,

> >> Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

> >> Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy

> >Products,

> >> Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

> >> http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/

> >>

> >

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 17:52:37 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-13 09:25:31 EST, you write:



<< I also would be interested on herbs for TMJ - my husband and myself both

 suffer, we continually wake each other and say "your grinding again".  Any

 help at all would be appreciated.  A mouth guard has been suggested by our

 dentist, but the idea makes us both extremely uncomfortable.



                                    ** >>



I ADD:



Temperomandibular Joint Syndrome may have a number of causes so it is

important to find out what yours is being caused by - poor bite, clenching and

grinding especially at night, and stress.



Stress management with heat and herbs to relax muscles can help.



I use the following:



Calcium chelate which helps proper muscle function and with magnesium can be

relaxing.  This also prevents bond softening and relieves stress especially if

the magnesium is taken at night.  Vitamin B complex are anti-stress vitamins

(get them with extra panthothenic acid (b5).  Hops, passionflower, skullcap,

valerian also help.



L-tyrosine (an amino acid) is particularly useful because it can improve the

quality of sleep and can relieve anxiety and depression.  Also vitamin B6 and

C just before bed also helps to combat stress in sleeping patterns.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Insomniac

From: Irena Franchi <d001720c@DC.SEFLIN.ORG>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:57:05 -0500

--------

Hello Morgan



Welcome!



Remember that insomnia is a symptom of a physical or emotional problem.

The best would be to find out the causes of your insomnia.  But in the

meantime you can try the following:



valerian

kava-kava

passion flower

sweet dreams (herbal tea)

sleepy time (herbal tea)

protein rich food during the first part of the day

carbohydrate rich food during the second part of the day

lavender essential oil (smell and rub on heart area)



There are many other things that you can do.



Good luck.



Irena Franchi

d001720c@dc.seflin.org





On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, morgan smith wrote:



>     I am new to this list and I was wondering if anyone has any

> suggestions on herbs that have successfully helped with insomnia.  Any

> personal experiences would be great.

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Stomach acidity

From: John <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:35:15 -0600

--------

A couple of months ago I came across some information that showed some

connection between stomach acidity and infertility. I found this very

interesting because one of my work associates spouse was in the process of

going to a gastro doctor and found out his stomach acid was extremelly acid.

This associate of mine is trying to get pregnant with no luck. The test

reports on her husband show extremely low sperm count with pracitically no

motility. I cannot remember where I saw this information so I could drum it

back up for their reading. I think it had something to do with Chinese

medicine. If anyone has any information on this I would be appreciative.

THanks

John  jfoster@ebicom.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Oregon Grape Root

From: "John M. Hatlestad" <Subalpine@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 18:46:08 EST

--------

Hi everyone, I am new to this list and was referred here to help me with some

questions that I have.  I have been using herbs medicinally for my family for

about 6 years now.  I was convinced by my wife through her ignoring my

concerns and going ahead and treating my 2 year old son with herbs for chronic

ear infections.  Much to my surprise at the time, they cleared up completely

and he has had no problems for the past 6 years.  Having spent twenty years in

the conventional medicine field, I never thought I would be reaching out to

natural medicines but here I am.



My question is about Oregon Grape Root.  I live in N.E. Washington State and

this plant grows everywhere.  I have read that it is a pretty good substitute

for Goldenseal and with the price and overharvesting, I am interested in using

the resources at hand.  I have read much and understand the dosing involved,

but I have been unsuccessful in finding the details of harvesting this plant.



Can someone on this list please send me the procedures from start to finish on

when and how to harvest, how to prepare and preserve the medicinal parts, and

how to make the final product (cold infusion preferred).



Thank you in advance and it is very good to meet all of you.



John Hatlestad

Walk in the Sunlight







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape Root

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 17:48:41 -0800

--------

At 06:46 PM 2/12/98 EST, "John M. Hatlestad" <Subalpine@AOL.COM> wrote:

>Hi everyone, I am new to this list and was referred here to help me with some

>questions that I have.  I have been using herbs medicinally for my family for

>about 6 years now.  I was convinced by my wife through her ignoring my

>concerns and going ahead and treating my 2 year old son with herbs for

chronic

>ear infections.  Much to my surprise at the time, they cleared up completely

>and he has had no problems for the past 6 years.  Having spent twenty

years in

>the conventional medicine field, I never thought I would be reaching out to

>natural medicines but here I am.

>

>My question is about Oregon Grape Root.  I live in N.E. Washington State and

>this plant grows everywhere.  I have read that it is a pretty good substitute

>for Goldenseal and with the price and overharvesting, I am interested in

using

>the resources at hand.  I have read much and understand the dosing involved,

>but I have been unsuccessful in finding the details of harvesting this plant.

>

>Can someone on this list please send me the procedures from start to

finish on

>when and how to harvest, how to prepare and preserve the medicinal parts, and

>how to make the final product (cold infusion preferred).

>

>Thank you in advance and it is very good to meet all of you.

>

>John Hatlestad

>Walk in the Sunlight



Hi John,



I grew up in North Idaho (Spirit Lake) and my parents lived in Spokane for

many years.  I know your part of the world well.  You might want to check

out Howie Brounstein's web page  http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/ and

perhaps contact him.....he would be the most informed about harvesting

Oregon Grape Root that I know.  You might want to take one of his classes

to learn from an expert  He's in Oregon.



Some of the basics whenever wildcrafting - STEWARDSHIP:  (1) Harvest with

understanding, sensitivity and respect for plant communities.  Exchange

energy and acknowledge an exchange when harvesting.  Some Native Americans

always left tobacco in exchange.  I sometimes leave a sprig of lavender or

something nice.  (2) Gather only abundance when you find many plants of the

same kind in an area.  Never take more than a quarter of what grows there.

A good rule is to not pick unless there are more than 10 plants in the

stand.  (3) Always replant seeds from the plants you are harvesting

completely, such as root harvest.  Never harvest the root before the plants

have seeds to replant.   (4)  Keep  your harvesting places a secret.  (5)

Grow all the useful plants you can cultivate to avoid overharvesting in the

wild.  IDENTIFICATION:  It is best to find a knowledgeable person to help

you identify the plants.  (Some are very similar in appearance, although

Oregon Grape is hard to mistake).  You can always have a sample of a

certain plant analyzed to confirm its species and origin.  SEASONAL:  Each

plant part has an appropriate picking time because the energy of the plant

is concentrated in different parts of the plant in different seasons.

Spring:  New budding parts of the plant rising to the leaf structure.  Late

Spring: Flowers, best picked just after opening.  Leaves  Summer:  Some

late blooming flowers, ripe seed heads (replant most seeds where you

harvest).  Leaves of later seasonal plants.  Fall:  Roots are always

harvested after the plant has completed its cycle - and be sure to plant

seeds!  (Did I say that already?)  Aerial parts of plants high in volatile

oil are best harvested in the morning, just after the dew has dried and

befor ethe heat of the day evaporates the oils.  Leaves are best harvested

when they are young and fresh, usually before the development of flowers.

Flowers are harvested just before they are fully expanded, when color and

aroma are the most pronounced.  Roots and root-bark of perennial plants are

harvested after about two years growth, and in some cases the root should

be allowed 4 - 7 years maturity.  Fruits and berries should be harvested

just before they are fully ripe.  With the exception of Juniper berries,

which should be harvested fully dried from the previous year.  Seeds should

be harvested when they are fully ripe.  Bark is harvested in the late fall

or winter, so vital sap that flows in the spring is not depleted.  Usually

inner bark is used.  Always cut roots (diagonally) into smaller pieces

before drying so they are easier to grind into powder, etc.  Dry

temperatures (approximately 95 to 100 degrees F) and good air circulation.

No direct sunlight and lay in single layers with no plant parts touching

each other.  Store in light-shielding, dry containers that will keep

insects and rodents out.



With regard to tincture making - if you want the official menstuum

calculations, you'll have to consult an early US Pharmacopeia. Do a

moisture assay to determine amount of water in the plant material when

using fresh plant material.

Menstruum calculations:

        Calculation #1-Moisture content in plant unknown:  Total ml. menstruum

times percent alcohol equals ml Actual ETOH (190 proof alcohol) divided by

.95 equals total ml. ETOH added to menstruum.  Total ml. menstruum minus

total ml. ETOH added equals total H2O added.

        Calculation #2 - Moisture content in plant known:  Ml. moisture in plant

plus total ml. menstruum equals total liquid in finished product times

percent ETOH desired in finished product divided by .95 equals total ml.

menstuum minus total ml ETOH added equals total ml. H2O added to menstruum.

 Total ml. menstruum minus total ml. ETOH added equals total ml. H2O added

to menstruum.

        Calculation #3 Final alcohol in finished product calculation:  Ml.

moisture in fresh plant plus ml. ETOH added plus ml. H2O added equals Total

liquid.  Ml. ETOH added x .95 equals actual ETOH added plus total liquid

equals percent ETOH in finished product.

        As an example -

        Fresh Mullein specimen - (Moisture analysis) Weight 2 oz.  - Dry weight

1/2 oz.  75% moisture.

        For a 1:1 w/v ratio we need 1 lb. fresh Mullein leaves per 1 lb. (1 pint)

menstruum.

        Menstruum - 50% absolute alcohol and 50% water (1 cup each)

        Water locations - 3/4 cup in plant and 5% in alcohol (11.83 ml.), which

means that you need to add slightly less than 1/4 cup distilled water (just

under 50 ml.)

        Alcohol measurement - Slightly more than 1 cup to account for the 5%

water, exact measurement = 250 ml.

        Finished product after maceration and pressing = 1 pint.



Hope this helps.



References:  James green, Debra St. Clair



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbs to combat itching?

From: "Deborah J. DeLong" <HerbSoaps@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:31:16 EST

--------

Hello all -



Does anyone know of Herbs to use externally for itching?  I have recently had

surgery on the bottom of my foot and as it is healing it is very itchy.  Maybe

something to use in a salve would be good.



Any suggestions?





Deborah D.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs to combat itching?

From: Irena Franchi <d001720c@DC.SEFLIN.ORG>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 21:16:55 -0500

--------

Have you tried aloe vera, or chamomile?

nIrena Franchi

d001720c@dc.seflin.org





On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Deborah J. DeLong wrote:



> Hello all -

>

> Does anyone know of Herbs to use externally for itching?  I have recently had

> surgery on the bottom of my foot and as it is healing it is very itchy.  Maybe

> something to use in a salve would be good.

>

> Any suggestions?

>

>

> Deborah D.

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs to combat itching?

From: "M. Lyttle" <NatHealer@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 07:02:02 EST

--------

Deborah,

You might want to try a salve of comfrey and goldenseal. it will help the

itching and promote healing at the same time.

Just my thoughts.

Michelle







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs to combat itching?

From: Alan Willoughby <awilloby@ENTERNET.CO.NZ>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:49:39 +0000

--------

Hi All



On Thu, 12 Feb 1998, Deborah J. DeLong wrote:



> Hello all -

>

> Does anyone know of Herbs to use externally for itching?  I have recently had

> surgery on the bottom of my foot and as it is healing it is very itchy.  Maybe

> something to use in a salve would be good.

>

> Any suggestions?

>

>

> Deborah D.



My wife used to get itchy skin and this was relieved by crushed

garlic and honey mixed into a lanolin base.  She doesn't need to use

this now as the problem was fully solved by 'dressing' all over with

aromatherapy oils (oops, off topic I know) - uses eucalyptus, tea

tree and lavender in an olive oil base (this also smells better than

the garlic mix too).



Hope this helps.



Alan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs to combat itching?

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 10:32:52 EST

--------

Most of the herbs that help with itching work on hives but in your case the

healing process is causing your uncomfortable sensations. Look into Soapwort.

Sorry, no personal experience with this. Just read it in an article. Perhaps

just getting a lather from placing the plant/root in warm water then soaking

in it would help.?! Will watch the list suggestions with interest.

Luvlylin







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs to combat itching?

From: Alan Willoughby <awilloby@ENTERNET.CO.NZ>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 08:59:06 +0000

--------

Hi All



I find that Urtica Urens cream stops most itching - hives, insect

bites, and undetermined.  Work homeopoathically.



Cheers



Alan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Pregnancy & Herbs

From: kssea <kssea@GOLDENGATE.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:05:49 -0600

--------

Hello all!



Thanks to all who offered advice on trying to conceive.  We are finally

pregnant!  Now my question is this:  I routinely take the following herbs

and am wondering if there are any others I should/could be taking as well.



I take: 1160 MG Garlic daily

            1305 MG Nettle daily

            2820 MG Astragalus daily

   and  1140 MG Echinacea Purpurea daily but cycle on & off every few weeks.

            Sometimes 23 MG Zinc

I also have been taking a prenatal vitamin for the last several months while

"trying" and will continue that of course.

Any other suggestions?



Thanks in advance!

Kristin S

kssea@goldengate.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy & Herbs

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:57:52 -0500

--------

Why do you take echinicea daily?  Do you have an infection?  If not, I

wouldn't take it, pregnant or not.  Echinicea is NOT a tonic herb.  It

should only be used medicinally.



Astragalus is a selinium accumulator.  That is fine for us on the east

coast where soils are deficient in selinium.  If you live in southern

California and regularly eat foods grown on irrigated  California soils

(many who live elsewhere eat primarily those foods), you shouldn't take

it.



I would take nettles as a food, and fresh garlic.  Take brewers yeast for

the zinc unless you are allergic.  Go easy on supplements during the

first trimester.



I developed an aversion to the high potency vitamins I was taking when I

became pregnant.  I think it was my body's way of protecting me.  Be

guided by your feelings as much as by logic.  Take your herbs in a form

you can taste so your body can give you cues as to whether you should

ingest them or not and at what level.



Even nettles, which are good nourishment for pregnancy contain compounds

which can affect the uterus.  So I would eat them (even in dried powder

form sprinkled over yogurt), rather than swallow capsules.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Thu, 12 Feb 1998 19:05:49 -0600 kssea <kssea@GOLDENGATE.NET> writes:

>Hello all!

>

>Thanks to all who offered advice on trying to conceive.  We are

>finally

>pregnant!  Now my question is this:  I routinely take the following

>herbs

>and am wondering if there are any others I should/could be taking as

>well.

>

>I take: 1160 MG Garlic daily

>            1305 MG Nettle daily

>            2820 MG Astragalus daily

>   and  1140 MG Echinacea Purpurea daily but cycle on & off every few

>weeks.

>            Sometimes 23 MG Zinc

>I also have been taking a prenatal vitamin for the last several months

>while

>"trying" and will continue that of course.

>Any other suggestions?

>

>Thanks in advance!

>Kristin S

>kssea@goldengate.net

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy & Herbs

From: "Kimberly A. Bottemiller" <Kiannbo@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 12:18:41 EST

--------

Hi,



I am sure I heard on the news that zinc supplements, in the form of cold

lozenges, were bad for a pregnancy.  I am not sure why, I don't remember, and

I don't know how much of that can be trusted, but it would be worth looking

into. Or maybe someone else has some input?



Congratulations on your pregnancy and good luck to the wanna be grandma.  (We

tried for 5 years and finally conceived via in vitro fertilization - after a

tubal pregnancy we found out my tubes were blocked)  But I am sitting here

with my beautiful 5 month old son and can't tell you how happy I am to be a

mom!!!!!!



Sincerely,

Kiannbo@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Conception & Herbs

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Feb 1998 22:31:00 -0500

--------

If you all would like to make me a grandma, pls let me know what you

suggest to increase fertility to enable conception; I'll pass the info on

to the would-be parents.  Sorry I joined the list too late to get the

suggestions which benefited Kristin.

--Wannabe Grandma Anita



At 7:05 PM -0600 2/12/98, kssea wrote:

>Hello all!

>

>Thanks to all who offered advice on trying to conceive.  We are finally

>pregnant!  Now my question is this:  I routinely take the following herbs

>and am wondering if there are any others I should/could be taking as well.

>

>I take: 1160 MG Garlic daily

>            1305 MG Nettle daily

>            2820 MG Astragalus daily

>   and  1140 MG Echinacea Purpurea daily but cycle on & off every few weeks.

>            Sometimes 23 MG Zinc

>I also have been taking a prenatal vitamin for the last several months while

>"trying" and will continue that of course.

>Any other suggestions?

>

>Thanks in advance!

>Kristin S

>kssea@goldengate.net







--



paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Conception & Herbs

From: kssea <kssea@GOLDENGATE.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 10:30:11 -0600

--------

>If you all would like to make me a grandma, pls let me know what you

>suggest to increase fertility to enable conception; I'll pass the info on

>to the would-be parents.  Sorry I joined the list too late to get the

>suggestions which benefited Kristin.

>--Wannabe Grandma Anita





Anita,

One suggestion was more Zinc.  There was also a discussion about how the

woman's thyroid can affect conception.  There were different herbs to help

with hypo- & hyper-thyroid but they were not to be confused (check the

digest form of this list?).  I suppose my taking the herbs I mentioned in my

earlier post (nettle, garlic, astragalus, some zinc) may have helped promote

a more healthy place for the conception to take place.  I was actually sick

when we were trying this last time but glad we tried even though I wasn't

feeling well!  I was trying to think about what my husband and I did

differently this last time that may have made the difference and the only

thing I can come up with was that we waited longer in between trying times

(3 days instead of 1 or 2) due to a low motility and sperm count.  Or maybe

it was just dumb luck!  A piece of rose quartz to carry around is supposed

to promote fertility in the female.  Might be a fun gift to give to your

daughter (in-law).  I had fun with the idea anyway!



I did make a male fertility tincture but we kept forgetting to have him take

it.  Plus it takes 3 months for new sperm to be made so we probably would

have had to start the tincture sooner for any results.  A sperm analysis is

an easy, uninvasive test to have performed and can answer several basic

questions.  They should do that test first before any other, more invasive

tests.



How long have your prospective parents been trying?  We went 10 months,

which seemed like forever, but in the grand scheme of things really wasn't

that long.  I know many people that tried much longer than that and some

still haven't had any luck.



Hope this helps.  We are telling my parents and the rest of our families on

Sunday that they will be grandparents, uncles and aunts for the first time

on either side of the family!  Should be a fun day!



Kristin S.

Proud Mom-to-Be-but-Still-Can't-Believe-it-Actually-Happened!

kssea@goldengate.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Psoriasis question

From: Pat Constantine <User276055@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:03:45 EST

--------

Does anyone know of some herbal remedy for psoriasis instead of the cortisone

medication that is usually prescribed? I believe there was a post recently

concerning psoriasis that I must have deleted.



thank you in advance, and thank you for all the wonderful wisdom that appears

on this list

with regards,

Pat Constantine



User276055@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Psoriasis question

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:23:34 +0000

--------

re Psoriasis



I wrote a very extensive reply to this recently and you should be able

to find it in the archives.  As I have not delved into the archives

myself, instructions would be helpful.



thanks,



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Psoriasis question

From: Lory Ann Smith <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:07:36 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-13 13:26:33 EST, you write:



> Does anyone know of some herbal remedy for psoriasis instead of the

cortisone

>  medication that is usually prescribed?



Hi Pat,

   Try making a salve with Oregon grape root, olive oil, & beeswax - Oregon

grape is supposed to be great for eczema, psoriasis, etc. It certainly helps

with my dermatitis.    Lory



Lory2x2@aol.com

 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/lory2x2/">Lory's Herb Page</A>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Psoriasis question

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:12:38 +0000

--------

this was posted earlier for Psocrisis



Burdock root 1 part

Burdock seed 1/2 part

Licorice 1/4 part

Oregon gradpe root 1 part

Dandelion root 1/2 part



Fennel to taste



In addition, he suggests Hydrotheraphy of washing the skin without

soap and splahing hot and then cold water.  Splash first with hot

until a flush accurs and then splash with cold for 1/2 the time of

hot.  This will increase circulation.



Other herbs from other books:  Yellow dock and Sasparilla combined in

a tea.



Cleavers in tea was recommended by Michael Tierra



Michael also recommends Thuja (Cedar Tree Leaves) to be aplliced in

fomentations to the skin.



Michael also dicusses the Chinese practice of applying leeches to

lesions to suck out the bad blood.  I know this probably sounds

incredibly gross yet leeches are now being used by Western doctors to

treat amputees and they have other applications.  This practice should

only be done by an adept.



One other herb that Michael discusses in Psoralea Seeds.  These are

anitfungal and can be taken internally and externally.  Cursh seeds

and topically apply in a poultice.



As I was reading on this herb, (Psoralea seeds)  he also dicusses

success with Alopecia in China.  The herb was injected and patients

were exposed to ultra violet light in 45 cases.  Within six months

hair was completely restored in 36% of the cases and significant

restoration was reported in an additonal 30%.



The book is called "Planetary Herbology" Michael Tierra, C.A.,

N.D.Lotus Press, Twin Lakes WI. (NCI)



Personal THEORY on Psoriasis:  There is systemic fungal infection.and

a compromised immune system.



Avoiding Alcoholic beverages, vinegars, moldy cheese, refined sugars,

yeast and most prohibitions of the Yeast Fighting diet can help to

restore internal balance as well as Garlic, Caprylic Acid, Pau D'arco

Tea, Jatoba Tea,  Milk Thistle, Echinacea, Grapefruit seed extract and

the above Liver herbs.



Theses are suggestions and I do have a close friend that grew up in an

Alcoholic home, drank moderatedly and has had this condition on and

off for many years.  Traditional Chinese Medicine,,  herbs and dietary

changes has restored her health.



please let us know how this works for you,



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: itchy toes

From: "T'ainne Segal" <seagul1@VOICENET.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:14:16 -0500

--------

Hello,

My husband has a strange problem with his toes.  A month ago one of his

smaller toes became itchy, swollen and red.  He said that it hurt when he

pressed on it and the bone seemed to hurt about an inch back from his toe.

We tried tea tree oil, over -the-counter athlete foot stuff and vinegar (not

all at the same time, of course).  It took about three weeks to clear up and

now another of his toes is affected.

This doesn't look like any athletes foot fungus that I have seen.  He has

never had any other problems with his feet.

Any suggestions, remedies, anyone know what this is?

Thanks,

Terri







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: itchy toes

From: "T'ainne Segal" <seagul1@VOICENET.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 13:31:15 -0500

--------

Hello,

My husband has a strange problem with his toes.  A month ago one of his

smaller toes became itchy, then turned red with a few blister type spots and

became swollen then the redness starts to go away and the tip of the toe

turns blueish and is swollen like there is fluid under it ... its very

painful and at this point no longer itches  He said that it hurt when he

pressed on it and the bone seemed to hurt about an inch back from his toe.

We tried tea tree oil, over -the-counter athlete foot stuff and vinegar (not

all at the same time, of course).  It took about three weeks to clear up and

now another of his toes is affected.

This doesn't look like any athletes foot fungus that I have seen.  He has

never had any other problems with his feet.

Any suggestions, remedies, anyone know what this is?

Thanks,

Terri







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: itchy toes

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:36:37 -0900

--------

At 01:31 PM 2/15/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello,

>My husband has a strange problem with his toes.  A month ago one of his

>smaller toes became itchy, then turned red with a few blister type spots and

>became swollen then the redness starts to go away and the tip of the toe

>turns blueish and is swollen like there is fluid under it ... its very

>painful and at this point no longer itches  He said that it hurt when he

>pressed on it and the bone seemed to hurt about an inch back from his toe.

>We tried tea tree oil, over -the-counter athlete foot stuff and vinegar (not

>all at the same time, of course).  It took about three weeks to clear up and

>now another of his toes is affected.

>This doesn't look like any athletes foot fungus that I have seen.  He has

>never had any other problems with his feet.

>Any suggestions, remedies, anyone know what this is?

>Thanks,

>Terri

>

>

This sounds very much like boils.  Boils can be very serious and indicative

of staph infection.  They can be treated herbally but I'd strongly

recommend you see a physician and get some antibiotics.  Ever hear of

gangrene?  This is not something to mess around with.  Treat the WHOLE body

as if there is a systemic infection, not just the site.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: itchy toes

From: "C. S. R." <sucrose@INFO.COM.PH>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:18:36 +0800

--------

Dear Terri,



Probably diabetes may have something to do with it. My mother-in-law had

the same problem.



Here is something that may help.



Below is an interesting article that responsible adults needs to read, stop

to think, analyse is it possible and possibly practice for our very own

wellness.



How a colon cancer patient survive with the cheapest alternative.



http://home.unicomp.net/~lschiele/gmtest.htm



We are what we digest and absord! whether food, literatures, insecticides,

smoke, air, pollution, etc.



Enjoy your reading! Have a nice day!



regards,

manuel kiok





At 10:36 AM 2/20/98 -0900, you wrote:

>At 01:31 PM 2/15/98 -0500, you wrote:

>>Hello,

>>My husband has a strange problem with his toes.  A month ago one of his

>>smaller toes became itchy, then turned red with a few blister type spots and

>>became swollen then the redness starts to go away and the tip of the toe

>>turns blueish and is swollen like there is fluid under it ... its very

>>painful and at this point no longer itches  He said that it hurt when he

>>pressed on it and the bone seemed to hurt about an inch back from his toe.

>>We tried tea tree oil, over -the-counter athlete foot stuff and vinegar (not

>>all at the same time, of course).  It took about three weeks to clear up and

>>now another of his toes is affected.

>>This doesn't look like any athletes foot fungus that I have seen.  He has

>>never had any other problems with his feet.

>>Any suggestions, remedies, anyone know what this is?

>>Thanks,

>>Terri

>>

>>

>This sounds very much like boils.  Boils can be very serious and indicative

>of staph infection.  They can be treated herbally but I'd strongly

>recommend you see a physician and get some antibiotics.  Ever hear of

>gangrene?  This is not something to mess around with.  Treat the WHOLE body

>as if there is a systemic infection, not just the site.

>

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Paxil and SJW combo

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:37:15 -0500

--------

I convinced my friend to go off Paxil and try SJW instead.  She like the

SJW and stayed on it for a  couple of months, then told me she and her

doctor decided she needed something more and she returned to the Paxil.

Unbeknownst to me, she also kept taking the SJW although I told her she

should not take both of them at the same time. .



Results:  It turns out that she surreptitiously had been on both of them

for several months and did better on the combo than on either SJW or Paxil

alone, no side effects either.  When I discovered she was using both of

them, I warned her to discontinue SJW if she intended to stay on the Paxil.



Since she discontinued the SJW, her memory has deteriorated, energy

lessened, and she isn't as sharp mentally, plus she isolates herself more

from friends.  Still taking Paxil, though.



My Q is this:  since she was on the combo for several months with no ill

effects, would it now be okay for her to take them both at the same time?

If not, we could always go the kava or valerian route with SJW if I could

only wean her off the Paxil.

Thanks, Anita







--



paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Paxil and SJW combo

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:25:02 -0500

--------

Anita-



You don't give dosages, but I am going to guess that she was taking too

little SJW and that combining it with what may be a low dose of Paxil has

not given her too much total antidepressant.



The trouble with combinations is that we don't know what will happen.

Many doctors give part Prozac/ part SJW during a 1-2 month weaning period

with more success than weaning off one then gradually building the other

up.  (That technique left people undermedicated for several weeks.)

Paxil may work similarly. My son went directly from Paxil to SJW without

a weaning period and that means he had both in his system for a while

without incident.  While I'm not going to advocate mixing Paxil and SJW

(because I don't know what it will do) she has tried it and might

continue so long as she keeps her doctor fully informed and is closely

monitored.



One possibility is that she could continue with the SJW at a higher dose.

 1 gram per day is a standard depression dose, although there are bottles

out there that suggest 1/3 that much.  I don't think that SJW is less

strong than Paxil (although it builds up more slowly)- that seems

stereotypical "herbs must be only slightly effective because they are

natural" thinking on her doctor's part.  It sounds like the SJW works

better for her than the Paxil, but that she may have been undermedicated

or may need a herbal combination.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Fri, 13 Feb 1998 13:37:15 -0500 Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM> writes:

>I convinced my friend to go off Paxil and try SJW instead.  She like the

>SJW and stayed on it for a  couple of months, then told me she and her

>doctor decided she needed something more and she returned to the

>Paxil. Unbeknownst to me, she also kept taking the SJW although I told

her

>she should not take both of them at the same time. .

>

>Results:  It turns out that she surreptitiously had been on both of

>them for several months and did better on the combo than on either SJW

or

>Paxil alone, no side effects either.  When I discovered she was using

both

>of them, I warned her to discontinue SJW if she intended to stay on the

>Paxil.

>

>Since she discontinued the SJW, her memory has deteriorated, energy

>lessened, and she isn't as sharp mentally, plus she isolates herself

>more from friends.  Still taking Paxil, though.

>

>My Q is this:  since she was on the combo for several months with no

>ill effects, would it now be okay for her to take them both at the same

>time? If not, we could always go the kava or valerian route with SJW if

I

>could only wean her off the Paxil.

>Thanks, Anita

>

>

>

>--

>

>paf@connix.com

>



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Subject: Re: Paxil and SJW combo

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:36:28 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-13 22:38:52 EST, you write:



<< One possibility is that she could continue with the SJW at a higher dose.

  1 gram per day is a standard depression dose, although there are bottles

 out there that suggest 1/3 that much.  I don't think that SJW is less

 strong than Paxil (although it builds up more slowly)- that seems

 stereotypical "herbs must be only slightly effective because they are

 natural" thinking on her doctor's part.  It sounds like the SJW works

 better for her than the Paxil, but that she may have been undermedicated

 or may need a herbal combination.



 Karen Vaughan >>



I ADD;



Karen is right on with this one.



Paxil is an orally administered antidepressant with a chemical structure

unrelated to other SSRIs or to tricyclic, tetracyclic, or other

antidepresives. but it's antidepressant action is linked to potentiation of

serotonergic activity in the central nervous system resulting from inhibition

of neuronal reuptake of serotonin.  Studies have shown that it does indeed

block the uptake of serotonin in human platelets.



]So one of the things that makes sense is that she was getting a double dose

of an SSRI which was working for her with the Paxil plus the SJW.  This could

mean too low a dose of the paxil when it was taken alone.  Doses have varied

from 20 to 40 mg/day in the elderly to 20 to 50 mg/day for nonelderly.



There may also be some synergistic work going on here between the two with one

enhancing the work of the other.



I have pages and pages of graphs of folks having difficulty getting off of

these types of drugs.  It needs to be done very slowly (months of titrating

downward VERY gradually).  It needs to be supervised.  But it can be done.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: aspergillis pneumonia

From: Elsa Bruguier <bruguier@RCI.RUTGERS.EDU>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 15:43:11 -0500

--------

Is anyone aware of any herbal allies, able to be combined with allopathic meds.

(I can provide a list of what the patient is currently being administered if

necessary), capable of treating an aspergillis pneumonia?  The allo. med.

option, ampetersin-B (I may have spelling wrong), is highly toxic, particularly

to the kidneys.  The patient is critically ill, fluid restricted, at present

taking all meds. through IV or naso-gastric tube.



Thank you for all responses.



Elsa Bruguier







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: aspergillis pneumonia

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:33:27 +0000

--------

In general good fungus/yeast/mold fighters are Pau D'arco Tea &

Jatoba Tea and following the restricted Candida diet.  Many pneumonias

are aspergillis (fungus) in the lungs that are undetected and not

treated.    It is not easy to cure.  Removing offending mold in the

enviornment should also be considered.  I would also take Echinacea in

tea as well.  Alcohol should be avoided ans well as simple sugars.



There may be other potent herbs as well.  I wonder about inhalators

with tea tree oil having a positive effect.  Has anyone done this type

of inhallation theraphy?



I was fascinated to see Dr. Christopher talk about Taheebo in his

Childhood Disease boo and a few other boodks dating back to the late

70's.  Taheebo is another name for Pau D'arco, as is Lapacho and

Iperoxo.



Birth Control pills, estrogen, antibiotics and steroids, (preneisone)

can trigger fungal/yeast growths in the body.  Diet will ascerbate.



hope she recovers in good speed,



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: Jeff Cashman <JCash40359@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 18:05:34 EST

--------

Hello,

I would like to know if anyone has had any success in removing or preventing

skin tags. They seem to appear under the armpit and around the collar line.

Can you just shave them off or is there a natural way to shrink them?

Thanks.

Jeff







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 16:46:22 -0800

--------

At 06:05 PM 2/13/98 EST, Jeff Cashman <JCash40359@AOL.COM>

 wrote:

>Hello,

>I would like to know if anyone has had any success in removing or preventing

>skin tags. They seem to appear under the armpit and around the collar line.

>Can you just shave them off or is there a natural way to shrink them?

>Thanks.

>Jeff



Hi Jeff,



The easiest way to remove skin tags is to tie a silk thread tightly at the

base which will cut off the circulation and eventually it will shrivel up

and drop off.  Much nicer way than shaving or cutting them off like your

doctor will do.  You may have to tie them more than once to keep increasing

the tightness of the noose.  Doesn't leave a scar this way, either.  And,

you can clip the silk thread close to the knot so it doesn't pull off.  I

just removed one on my eyelid, and while it was tied you hardly knew the

thread was there.  Eyelid smooth as ever now.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: Alma Butterfield <Mombutter@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 01:04:07 EST

--------

The only time I got skin tags was when I was pregnant.  Is this just

coincidence or are skin tags somehow related to pregnancy hormones?  I have

been pregnant twice and both times I developed skintags in my armpits and by

my brastrap area under my arms.



Alma







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 13:34:50 -0500

--------

Skin tags can be stimulated by hormones in pregnancy.  I ended up with

one 2" long under my hair.  Wish I had known about the thread trick.  It

would have been cheaper than surgery.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 01:04:07 EST Alma Butterfield <Mombutter@AOL.COM>

writes:

>The only time I got skin tags was when I was pregnant.  Is this just

>coincidence or are skin tags somehow related to pregnancy hormones?  I

>have

>been pregnant twice and both times I developed skintags in my armpits

>and by

>my brastrap area under my arms.

>

>Alma

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: Stan Ryals <Ltsdance@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 03:45:00 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-13 19:47:33 EST, you write:



<< The easiest way to remove skin tags is to tie a silk thread tightly at the

 base which will cut off the circulation and eventually it will shrivel up

 and drop off.  >>



This is basicly the same advice my doctor gave me except he said he uses a

piece of hair to do the same thing.



Stan







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: Rosemary Hayward <Roses9652@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 16:28:49 EST

--------

I once heard that skin tags can be related to or a possible early sign of

intestinal polyps.  Is there any truth to this?  Also, would there be a reason

that I have skin tags on my left neck area only--not any on the right?

~Rosemary







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:32:39 -0800

--------

At 04:28 PM 2/14/98 EST, Rosemary Hayward <Roses9652@AOL.COM>

 wrote:

>I once heard that skin tags can be related to or a possible early sign of

>intestinal polyps.  Is there any truth to this?  Also, would there be a

reason

>that I have skin tags on my left neck area only--not any on the right?

>~Rosemary





That's curious, I have a couple on the right side of my neck, but none on

the left.  If anyone has information regarding the relationship to

intestinal polyps, I'd surely like to know.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 00:57:36 EST

--------

as far as I know, skin tags are due to low blood sugar. when you go to the

doctors they use a scapel and slice it off.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: Kara Carew <SecondOf5@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:03:44 EST

--------

try using dental floss, it works better than hair (unless your a hermit and

don't floss)







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:01:30 -0500

--------

>I think tags could be related to low blood sugar,

>but I've got a lot of them on my neck and I'm diabetic...

>HIGH blood sugar.  I used to be hypoglycemic, and

>my naturopath told me then (based on noticing my skin

>tags) that I could be pre-diabetic.  Eight years later,

>guess what? Wish I had paid more attention...



I'm playing "catch up" again on reading lists, and this

thread on skin tags is fascinating - my husband has had them

popping out all over for years, many of them, and was just

this summer diagnosed with Diabetes.  He has ignored

symptoms for a while, not returning to the doctor after

a suspicious blood test a couple years ago, but then his

feet started hurting.  He thought it was an injury, and I

was just thankful it got him to the doctor.  I will have to

pay close attention when I meet with people to whether

they have skin tags from now on.  We are in the midst of

gathering diet, herbal and supplement information on

diabetes and have made many changes already.  Since

this is an herb list, I'd appreciate any herbal suggestions

you may have that I can add to my list.

We have diet, mineral and vitamin info.  Thanks!



claudia:-)

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Meydrech Family Home & Herbal

ICQ#6619598/Herbs/Free Email Newsletter/Chats/Message Bd.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: "C. Davis" <rcdavis@REACH.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:15:54 -0500

--------

At 10:01 AM 2/24/98 -0500, you wrote:

        >>I think tags could be related to low blood sugar, but I've got a lot of

them on my neck and I'm diabetic....HIGH blood sugar.  I used to be

hypoglycemic, and my naturopath told me then (based on noticing my      skin

tags) that I could be pre-diabetic.<<



I might be totally ignorant, but I have seen many references to "skin tags"

and have no idea what they are.  Could someone please fill me in, (e-mail

me privately if you want, as I seem to be the only one in the dark).



        >>He has ignored symptoms for a while, not returning to the doctor      after

a suspicious blood test a couple years ago, but then his feet   started

hurting.  He thought it was an injury, and I was just thankful  it got him

to the doctor.<<



I've been have severe foot and heel pains, and as most, I just put it down

to strain.  there are time when I hobble not being able to put much weight

on my feet.  I find if I put more weight on my toes, it eases the pain.

Naturally I assumed something simple such as fallen arches or something. I

guess I should see a doctor. (I really hate going there when I know there

are others in worse shape who really need the doctors attention).









M.P.O.  (My Personal Opinion)

     Caroline (alias Rudy)







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tag Removal

From: "William J. Pizer" <Wjp1816@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 19:24:36 EST

--------

Jeff,



>From my experience, skin tags can be removed in either of the

following ways:



         1. Remove them by a doctor with a laser.



         2. I also been told that you can tie them off with a piece

             of dental floss.  Intime with the removal of nurishment,

             they will fall off.



The above is what I have been told by my doctor.



                   Bill Pizer







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help needed.

From: Julia Wolfe <wlfspeak@NETINS.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 22:50:19 -0600

--------

Hello.  Thanks for the stimulating information and helpful tips.  I want

to take a sabatical from the discussion.  Would someone forward me

information on getting off the list.  I cannot locate my reference and

have not succeeded at attempts.  Thanks.



TIA,

Julia







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbs, Surgery and Anesthesia

From: patricia <patrici@ALASKA.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Feb 1998 21:27:51 -0900

--------

Hello everyone,



I've been mainly lurking since the holidays because I'm getting ready

for knee surgery (this Tuesday).  I've learned a lot from this list and

will have plenty of time to catch up on my mail when I'm post-op :) I'd

like opinions (with the understanding that they *are* opinions and the

decision is my own) on something my surgeon asked me today. I'd be very

grateful to know what people really think (tact not necessary due to

time constraint).



He thinks I should stop taking herbs I'll list below in case they

interfere with the anesthesia (epideural & mild sedation only if it's

necessary.) I said I disagreed (we're having a major flu outbreak now),

but did say I'd bring a list for the anesthesiologist in case of

complications (unlikely).  MY QUESTION:  Do most people here think my

surgeon is simply being overcautious (because of the conflict between

herbal and traditional medicine) or is this a legitimate request?  He is

BTW a good surgeon; I've checked him out pretty thoroughly with local

people I know.  It's only his opinion on herbs I disagree with; I'm

comfortable that he'll do a good job on my knee.



Again, I'm only asking for opinions if you feel comfortable offering

them.  I will make, and take responsibility for my own decision.



Echinacea

Goldenseal (I no longer buy this because of its status; I'm using up my

stock of tincture on hand.  But, with flu all around me I just can't

afford to catch it now or they won't operate. Sorry - didn't want to

start a debate on a whole different topic.)

Siberian ginseng

He shou wu

Gotu kola

Gingko

Pleurisy root

Mullein

Elecampane



Sorry about the length of this post.  Again, I'd really appreciate any

opinions because if I *am* going to stop, Tuesday isn't too far away.

Have a nice weekend everyone.  Private mail is ok too, if you'd rather,

especially since I'm on digest mode.



Patricia

patrici@alaska.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs, Surgery and Anesthesia

From: Kathleen <kl@BIGFOOT.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:16:23 -0600

--------

> Echinacea

> Goldenseal (I no longer buy this because of its status; I'm using up

> my stock of tincture on hand.  But, with flu all around me I just

> can't afford to catch it now or they won't operate. Sorry - didn't

> want to start a debate on a whole different topic.) Siberian ginseng

> He shou wu Gotu kola Gingko Pleurisy root Mullein Elecampane



Patricia,



I would recommend stopping the Gingko before surgery because of it's

blood thinning properties, which could cause problems for the surgeon.

 You didn't say what kind of knee surgery you are having, but if it is

something major like a total joint replacement, you will most likely

be placed on a low-molecular weight heparin post-operatively to

prevent deep vein thrombosis.   Start taking the Ginkgo again after

the other anticoagulants have been discontinued.



Ask your anesthesiologist about the other herbs.

Kathleen Lewis







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs, Surgery and Anesthesia

From: Sam Sussman <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:58:41 -0500

--------

All of the herbs mentioned have CNS effects. Listen to your surgeon!!!



Also someone mentioned tht PAXIL was an atypical SSRI. I understand it is

quite a typical SSRI...also tetracyclic is an anti-biotic NOT an

anti-depressant. Regards Sam

Dr. Sam Sussman, Ph.d.

Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, University of Western Ontario

Director, Archival Centre, London Psychiatric Hospital

North American Editor, Mentalities

personal web page: http://www.geocities.com/athens/9288/sam.html







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hello and Questions

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 00:01:29 -0800

--------

I am new to this list, having been on for only a week or so, and I must

say I am amazed at the knowledge shown throughout each posting.  Before I

joined I felt I had been making some headway into the myriad of herbs,

now i see I haven't even begun to scratch the surface:)



I do have a question while I'm at it here...it's more medically related

than herbally, but in truth I was hoping to try to combine the two...I

have celiac disease and as a result, can't eat anything with gluten in

it.  The problem isn't so much that I can't eat breads etc, but rather

that I'm also a vegetarian.  Needless to say, I'm having some trouble

with finding fibre i can consume, as well as protein.  I also have a hard

time digesting beans and lentils, so that type of protein is out.



I know that my diet is atrocious because I haven't yet found anything to

replace the things I'm no longer allowed to eat.  My hair is falling out

by the handfuls, and as a woman with waist-long hair, this is, to say the

least, alarming.  My energy levels are depleted, my skin is no longer

looking healthy, but rather sallow and wan.  I've lost weight as result

and while i'm pleased with that, i know it's not healthy.



I have a vitamin/herbal ritual i follow daily, and i was wondering if

there was anything else i should toss in the mixture in terms of energy

boosters etc, or, although i realize it's off topic, anything you could

suggest in terms of diet as well.  I have recently married and would like

to have a family, and as i'm (just) over 30, I'm taking folic acid,

garlic, iron, dophilus plus, digespro, pantothenic acid and lipozyme, all

of which were recommended to me by an herbalist before I was diagnosed

with celiac.



Any suggestions are welcome, and thanks in advance:)



Elizabeth Powell



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Subject: Re: Hello and Questions

From: Sam Sussman <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:01:29 -0500

--------

 My son had a similar problem. The solution -eat MEAT once a week and fish

and poultry and eggs and milk. Some of us just were not meant to be vegans.

Regards Sam]

>

Dr. Sam Sussman, Ph.d.

Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, University of Western Ontario

Director, Archival Centre, London Psychiatric Hospital

North American Editor, Mentalities

personal web page: http://www.geocities.com/athens/9288/sam.html







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hello and Questions

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:24:32 -0800

--------

On Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:01:29 -0500 Sam Sussman <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

writes:

> My son had a similar problem. The solution -eat MEAT once a week and

>fish

>and poultry and eggs and milk. Some of us just were not meant to be

>vegans.

>Regards Sam]

>>

>Dr. Sam Sussman, Ph.d.

>Assistant Professor of Psychiatry, University of Western Ontario

>Director, Archival Centre, London Psychiatric Hospital

>North American Editor, Mentalities

>personal web page: http://www.geocities.com/athens/9288/sam.html

>

thank you all for your inciteful replies! you've certainly given me a lot

of places to start.  this whole celiac thing started years ago, only we

didn't know what it was, and i originally stopped eating meat because i

thought that was the problem.  unfortunately, now i've gone without meat

for so long that when i attempt to eat it i have almost as many problems

digesting it as i do things with gluten.  i am attempting to incorporate

it back into my diet, very slowly.  as of yet beef is unfortunately out.

as are eggs...everytime i eat eggs i hurt for hours.



on the plus side, i can eat some dairy again.  for a long time i

couldn't.  i became completely intolerant to dairy, which actually set us

on the celiac path, as some ppl who aren't diagnosed develop an

intolerance to lactose because the celia simply isn't there to assist in

digestion.  i've been eating small amounts of cheese in salads etc, and

yesterday i actually had a small bit of ice cream...something that i've

been craving for years:)



i am attempting to learn more about this disease; i, like some of you

suggested, want to know as much about what's going on with my body as any

doctor...after all, it's *my* body, my responsibility.  plus, it took me

over 5 years to be diagnosed, after being referred to gynecologists,

gastro-intestinal specialists, and was of course, told it was all in my

head.  celiac is unfortunately, one of those diseases that can mask as

several other things, including gall stones, colitis, stomach ulcers and

as i said earlier, lactose intolerance.



anyway, thank you all very much for your suggestions:)  i'm going to be

hitting the web hard for recipes and suggestions there as well.



i'm glad to have found this mailing list:)



elizabeth





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hello and Questions

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:11:28 +0000

--------

re:Celiac/vegetarian transition:



after reading your second post about introducting meat into your diet,

the TCM (Tracditional Chinese Medicine) approach is to make stews and

soups using lots of spring water, herbs such as garlic and ginger to

detoxify the protein, long cooking times, marrow bones and vegies and

starting with the soup liquid, rather than the actual meat.  The bones

give minerals and nutrients.  Some meats produce more heat in the body

, such as chicken and turkey.  Eating these in soups is best.  With

eggs, eating the yolks in a very runny state is best, as a very soft

(3 minute) egg, rather than fried or hard boiled.  This way the

nutrients in the yolk from lecithin can be utilized and not cooked

away.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hello and Questions

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 12:05:29 +0000

--------

The indication of your falling hair is a sign of protein deficiency.

At the very least I would look to add B 12 to your diet.  Some people

can be vegetarians and some can't.  You may not be able to stay a

vegeatarian and live.  I know with people of moral principles about

eating meat, this is a difficult pill to swallow.  After reading

Chistopher Hobbs (very well respected Herbalist/Writer) on this very

subject, and his sharing of his moral deliema about this issue, and

his resolve to add fish and some other meats to his diet, I would urge

you to explore this option.



I am not familiar with Celiac disease in particular. And, seeing a

Naturopath or Acupuncturist would be wise in your progress towards

health.



Eating brown rice in a congee ( add lots of water so that the rice

becomes a very watery soup, is one way to take in nutrients when the

digestive system is compromised.  If you can eat seeds and nuts,

adding sesame seeds and small amounts of almonds may help you get a

balanced protein into your diet. I would also look at ways to add

minerals to your diet with sea vegetables.



Other whole grains not containing gluten are quinoa, oats, groats and

millet.  You might want to find some cooking books on Macrobiotics.



Adzuki beans may be tolerated by your system and they are very good

for the spleen and digestion, and coupled with grains such as brown

rice and millet, create complimentary proteins.



I would also eat steamed vegetables as these will be easier to digest

in your weakened state.



Other yang foods are roots of rutabaga, lotus, turnips, burdock and

parsnips.



Avoiding nightshades : potatoes, tomatoes and eggplant may be wise

until you can acheive a balance.



Have you been checked for metal poisoning of mercury, lead etc.



Other ways to eat grains would be corn tortillas, polenta, spelt, and

amaranth.  I would also start with very guely types of soups with

these as well, with long cooking for easy absorbtion.



Herbal support with tonics instead of cleansers, such as astragalus,

he shou wu (fo-ti), dong quai, Poria,  cinnamon,  royal jelly,

codonopsis,  atractoylodes, longan, dendrobriaum.red jujube dates,

licorice, cordyceps, reishi mushroom, lycium,  schizandra may prove

helpful in the right proportion.



These herbs are described in teh book Chinese Medicinal Herbs, Wee

Yeow Chin and Hsuan Keng and in a phamplet I have from Ron Teeguarder,

Chinese Herbal Tonics (nci)    They have a Tea Garden Herbal Emporium

in Venice CA (nci) and have pioneered bringing eastern herbal

knowledge to the west.  800 23 HERB 1.



as a caveat, these are suggestions, and working with a personal heatlh

professional at this time would be best.



wishing you improved well being,



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Rape Seed Oil - More Myths Debunked

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 07:05:46 -0800

--------

This is never going to end, is it?



Look folks, this article is almost exactly the same as the earlier posted

article. Some of the "facts" are relabelled (in this article, rape was the

source of mustard gas... AGAIN  WRONG!) and some of the facts are expounded

upon.  Please think critically, people!



FACT:  Rape (Brassica napus Linnaeus) can be AND IS attacked by insects.

 Bertha armyworm,  Diamondback moth, cabbage loopers, and Flea beetles

cause extensive crop loss of this valuable food plant.



FACT: Rape (Brassica napus L.) leaves are NOT toxic. It also goes by the

names Hanover Salad, Hanover kale, spring kale, and Siberian kale.  It can

be used as a cooking green (like spinach, collards, kale, mustard greens,

etc) or as a salad green.



I have only found ONE source of information regarding toxicity of rapeseed

and that involved chemical extraction of ONE of its components and then

sulferizing it. This was to produce a liquid used in industry.



- Tera.



-----Original Message-----

From:   Sarah Flemming [SMTP:hitech@SCESCAPE.NET]

Sent:   Saturday, February 14, 1998 5:28 AM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        (fwd) (fwd) Rape Seed Oil



I picked this up a long time ago. I make no claims for it's accuracy

just passing it on .



<snip>

>|

>|Date: Wed, 16 Oct 1996 23:57:08 +0000

>|From: "Claude R. Armstrong" <daisey@whidbey.net>

>|Reply-To: daisey@whidbey.net

>|To: RevCOAL <revcoal@pcnet.com>

>|Subject: Re: Rape Seed Oil

>|

>|Blindness, Mad Cow Disease and Canola Oil

>|By John Thomas



<snip>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rape Seed Oil - More Myths Debunked

From: "Linda B. User" <SJack48315@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:47:00 EST

--------

Hi,



I'm rather new to herbs, so I have been lurking for months and just learning

from you all (and I've learned alot!).  Sorry to bring up this subject again,

especially this late, but I'm just now catching up on my mail.



My question is this:  what about the soy oil that is mentioned over and over

in the report that was posted?  Is the information on it mythical also?  If

not, are all soy products unhealthy?  Within the last 2 months I have begun

buying as many of our groceries as possible at a wonderful health food grocer

in our area.  The place is teeming with soy products!  So, since I'm still

learning about all this, you can see my concern.  Thanks for your answers, and

the wealth of knowledge I have already gained on this list.



Since there are other Linda's on this list, I'll include my last name initial

-



Linda B.

SJack48315@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: TMJ

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@ERINET.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 08:36:53 -0800

--------

> I also would be interested on herbs for TMJ - my husband and myself both

> suffer, we continually wake each other and say "your grinding again".  Any

> help at all would be appreciated.  A mouth guard has been suggested by our

> dentist, but the idea makes us both extremely uncomfortable.

>



Hi,



For tinnitus...I've read that gingko and gotu kola are helpful.



As far as a mouth guard...I would highly recommend one. It's pretty

costly at the dentist, but you could try a mouth plate at the local

sporting goods store. I've had one for probably about 15+ years....at

first I thought I'd never get used to it, but now I wouldn't be without

one.



Ilene







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hello and Questions - Celiac Disease

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 11:01:04 -0800

--------

At 12:01 AM 2/14/98 -0800, elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

 wrote:

>



Hello Elizabeth....small world :-)



>I do have a question while I'm at it here...it's more medically related

>than herbally, but in truth I was hoping to try to combine the two...I

>have celiac disease and as a result, can't eat anything with gluten in

>it.  The problem isn't so much that I can't eat breads etc, but rather

>that I'm also a vegetarian.  Needless to say, I'm having some trouble

>with finding fibre i can consume, as well as protein.  I also have a hard

>time digesting beans and lentils, so that type of protein is out.



Look for spelt products (cereal, pasta, breads) specifically made for

gluten intolerant people.  If you do a web search on spelt, you will find

many sites with good information.  You can also find  rice, potato,

cornmeal and soy flour substitutes for wheat.  And you can find many

gluten-free products at the health food store or co-op.  Alfalfa supplies

vitamin K, which is often deficient in those with celiac disease.  Take

2,000 to 3,000 mg in tablet form daily.  You might also want to include

N-acetyglucosamine and zinc.  Essential fatty acids that could be helpful

(primrose oil and salmon oil are good sources),  and magnesium and calcium,

proteolytic enzymes.  You may need psyllium seed or aerobic bulk cleanser,

and always take good levels of vitamin C.



Essential nutrients would include a free-form amino acid complex, a

goodmultivitamin and mineral complex with vitamin A, natural beta carotene

and vitamin E, vitamins B12, B6 and folic acid.  Sometimes vitamin B

complex injections are recommended.



Dietary recommendations would include fresh vegetables and legumes

(although you have problems with beans and lentils, you might try peas and

other legumes you haven't experimented with) rice bran, nuts, sunflower

seeds, raisins, figs and "seedy" fruits such as strawberries, raspberries,

and blackberries.  Include blackstrap molasses which is high in iron and B

vitamins.  People with celiac disease need fiber and foods rich in iron and

B vitamins.  Do not eat sugary products, processed foods, dairy products,

bouillon cubes, chocolate and bottled salad dressings.



Celiac disease causes malabsorption of the B vitamins and the fat-soluble

vitamins (A, D, E, and K) so take these nutrients in supplement form.

Gluten is found in many nutritional supplements, so read lables carefully

and use ones that are hypoallergenic, wheat and yeast-free.



Read all labels carefully.  Watch for hidden sources of gluten, such as

hydrolyzed vegetable protein, textured vegetable protein, hydrolyzed plant

protein and all derivatives of wheat, rye, oats and barley, including malt,

modified food starch, some soy sauces, grain vinegars, binders, fillers,

excipients and "natural flavorings".  Do not consume hot dogs, gravies,

luncheon meat, mustard, catsup, nondairy creamer, white vinegar, curry

powder or seasons.





>I know that my diet is atrocious because I haven't yet found anything to

>replace the things I'm no longer allowed to eat.  My hair is falling out

>by the handfuls, and as a woman with waist-long hair, this is, to say the

>least, alarming.  My energy levels are depleted, my skin is no longer

>looking healthy, but rather sallow and wan.  I've lost weight as result

>and while i'm pleased with that, i know it's not healthy.



For your hair:  Apple cider vinegar and sage tea as a hair rinse (pour over

and over your head into a catchbasin) may help with hair growth.  Also

horsetail (shavegrass) Equisetum arvense tea is a good source of silica,

necessary for strong healthy hair.  Foods to eat are those high in biotin.

Lie down on a slant board fifteen minutes a day to allow the blood to reach

your scalp. Massage your scalp daily.  Be careful what products (synthetic)

you use on your hair, often allergic reactions occur to the chemicals in

shampoos.  Avoid rough treatment of your hair - do not use a blow dryer or

other heated appliances on your hair; let it dry naturally.  Do not comb

your hair until it is dry as wet hair tends to break off when combed.  Use

a pick to gently put wet hair in place.



>

>I have a vitamin/herbal ritual i follow daily, and i was wondering if

>there was anything else i should toss in the mixture in terms of energy

>boosters etc, or, although i realize it's off topic, anything you could

>suggest in terms of diet as well.  I have recently married and would like

>to have a family, and as i'm (just) over 30, I'm taking folic acid,

>garlic, iron, dophilus plus, digespro, pantothenic acid and lipozyme, all

>of which were recommended to me by an herbalist before I was diagnosed

>with celiac.



Also, if you didn't know already, there is a Celiac Disease Foundation at

13251 Ventura Bloulevard, Suite 3, Studio City, CA 91604-1838, telephone:

818-990-2354.  Don't know if they have a web site, but maybe.



Hope this helps.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: sjw & general anesthesia

From: Lydia J Campbell <lydiajo@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 14:47:24 EST

--------

Pat wrote:



Does anybody know if there is an adverse reaction to anesthesia and St.

John's

Wort?  My friend's medical doctor told her that she would not be able to

have

a general anesthetic while taking St. John's Wort.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

My reply (sorry it's late but I am behind in my mail):



As a nurse anesthetist I would have no  problem with my husband receiving

a general anesthetic while he is taking sjw (and yes I do love him very

much). I am sure that some of my patients are taking it but don't

consider it *medication* so they don't tell me.



The problem is that sjw has been classified as being a MAO inhibitor

which is problematic during a general anesthetic. However. last I read

that really isn't the case.



Just my 2 cents worth and not medical advice.



Lydia



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Oil of oregano

From: Sharon <sharon@AMUG.ORG>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:16:43 -0700

--------

I heard a Dr. John Lee on a radio program this morning touting Oil of

Oregano for just about everything under the sun; bacteria, viruses, fungus,

general infections, etc. Has anyone used this and had any positive/negative

results? He says the FOOD form of oregano that we get in the stores is NOT

at all the same thing and not efficacious.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oil of oregano

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:47:16 -0800

--------

At 03:16 PM 2/14/98 -0700, Sharon <sharon@AMUG.ORG>

 wrote:

>I heard a Dr. John Lee on a radio program this morning touting Oil of

>Oregano for just about everything under the sun; bacteria, viruses, fungus,

>general infections, etc. Has anyone used this and had any positive/negative

>results? He says the FOOD form of oregano that we get in the stores is NOT

>at all the same thing and not efficacious.





He is probably talking about oregano essential oil.....there are several

oreganos distilled for the essential oil, including Origanum compactum,

Origanum heracleoticum and Origanum marjorana (marjoram or also Marjorana

hortensis).  Any of the oregano oils are powerful large spectrum

anti-infectious, antibacterial, antiviral (?), antifungal, antiparisitic,

immunostimulant.  The question mark by antiviral means that it is not a

certainty, however probable.  Caution should be taken as the essential oil

is a dermal irritant, use 2% dilution or lower.  Avoid in pregnancy, babies

and small children.  Avoid with low blood pressure and depression because

it is very sedative.  There are also cautions that it (specifically

marjoram) could trigger an asthmatic attack.  Also, should not use for

prolonged period (do not exceed 7-10 days use.)  The essential oil is very

different than the herb.  Many constituents in the herb (those that are

water insoluble and those destroyed by heat) are not in the final distilled

essential oil.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oil of oregano

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 15:57:40 -0800

--------

Sorry, forgot an important item in the original post......dilution is for

topical use only....never take essential oils internally.



>

>He is probably talking about oregano essential oil.....there are several

>oreganos distilled for the essential oil, including Origanum compactum,

>Origanum heracleoticum and Origanum marjorana (marjoram or also Marjorana

>hortensis).  Any of the oregano oils are powerful large spectrum

>anti-infectious, antibacterial, antiviral (?), antifungal, antiparisitic,

>immunostimulant.  The question mark by antiviral means that it is not a

>certainty, however probable.  Caution should be taken as the essential oil

>is a dermal irritant, use 2% dilution or lower.  Avoid in pregnancy, babies

>and small children.  Avoid with low blood pressure and depression because

>it is very sedative.  There are also cautions that it (specifically

>marjoram) could trigger an asthmatic attack.  Also, should not use for

>prolonged period (do not exceed 7-10 days use.)  The essential oil is very

>different than the herb.  Many constituents in the herb (those that are

>water insoluble and those destroyed by heat) are not in the final distilled

>essential oil.

>

>Be well,

>Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

>Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

>Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

>http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/

>

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oil of oregano

From: Sharon <sharon@AMUG.ORG>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 17:21:15 -0700

--------

Marcia, thanks much for your information, but he WAS talking about taking

it internally. I was in the car so I couldn't take good notes, but he did

say it was for bacteria, viruses, fungi and other things I can't remember

at the time. And that you could put drops under the tongue or topically

apply it to thrush (yeast). I believe he said it would warm the skin so to

be cautious and dilute it if it was in a sensitive area. It almost sounded

like a panacea for everything that afflicts us! I called Hi-Health and they

have it for $19.99. My daughter-in-law has a yeast infection (not sure if

it's candida or not) and I thought it sounded promising for that....just

didn't know if there were adverse effects, since she's nursing still.....







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin tags

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 18:29:37 -0600

--------

Karen,

What is the thread trick?? Is it like when you are cutting cinnamon

rolls before you bake them??

Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin tags

From: Garlicman <ddewit61@MAINE.MAINE.EDU>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:12:27 +0000

--------

I've read several responses to this "older" post, but just wanted

to add my two cents.



I know this was an older post and a little off topic {?], but I just

had to add my two cents to the cookie jar.



I'd lived with several for many years before hearing of tying them

off.  Eventually, I tried it on the largest, longest one.  I used

just a thin piece of nylon thread [any should do], tied it under the

skin tag - tight, to cut off circulation.  Trimming the thread, it

wasn't at all visable.  It sort of felt like it was "pinching" at

times, but several days later it was gone!  Just fell off without my

knowing it.  I couldn't even find the site where it had been.



Young calves are castrated with a similar procedure using

special, small, thick rubber bands and a device used to apply it.



I also remember hearing somethng about a correlation of skin tags to

intestinal something, but don't remember where I came across it, or

if it was actually the case.  I'll have to look.  If I find or

remember anymore regarding this I'll post another time.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: skin tags

From: caitlin <cjclr@BAYNET.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:34:50 -0800

--------

On the skin tags theme, has anyone heard of the possibility that they're

pre-cancerous lesions?   Also I had two that fell off unless I scratched

them off in my sleep and now I've got patches of psoriasis/eczema in their

place.



Caitlin







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cutaneous Horns

From: "Mr. Bill" <Mrbill991@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Feb 1998 19:34:37 EST

--------

Anyone have information on preventing/curing cutaneous horns. I keep getting

them on my ears and arms.



Getting "horny" in my old age.



Thanks,  Bill







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Oxalis

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 19:52:55 +0000

--------

I was reading in my Chinese Medicinal Herb book and found some

interesting tidbits about some common plants:



Oxalis, Oxalidaceae, Oxalis corniculata, yellow wood sorrel:



most of us have this as a common weed in our garden and can be

ubiquitous in spring.



part used: plant: cooling agent, expels intestinal worms, increases

flow of urine and controls bleeding.  (no dosage recommended)



Black Bamboo: Phyllostachys



parts used: leaves:  encourage flow of urine, suppress fever



roots: check blood flow, restrct secretions of body fluids,





Stem shavings:  dedative, suppress vomiting, treat fever



Pine:  Pinus



pinus massoniana, pinus tabulifornis



parts used:



pollen: releive headache, sprinkled on boils to dry up pus



pine knowts: treat rheumatism and headache.



White Mulberry: Morus alba:  Native to China, Indochina, Japan and

Phillipines.  Used in silkworm culture



Parts used:

leaves treat fever, cold, cough conjuntivitis



skinof the roots:  expesl phelgm from the respiratory system in

asthma, treats bronchitis and coughts



figs (fruit)  tonic: treat insominia, high blood pressure.



Magnolia:



Magnolia officinalis



parts used: Brk: anispasmodic, aphrodisiac, expels phlegm, from

respiratory passages, expesl intestinal worms, treats spastic

gastritis, peptic ulcer, diarrhoea, vomitting, thyphoid fever,

malaria, loss of appletite, shortness of breath, coughs and nausea.



flower buds:  increases menstrual flow



magnolia quinquepeta:



flower buds:  tonic and pain killer



Lycium chinense: Chinese wolfberry or chineses matrimony vine:



Parts used:

fruits:  treat impotence, backache, dizziness, general weakness,

fever, diabetes



root bark:  treats impotence, bachache, dizziness, general weakness,

fever, sore throat, rheumatism, fever, pneumonia.



Loofa Sponge:  si gua  Luffa aegyptiaca:



parts used:



fiber of fruit:  pain killer, stops bleeding in treatment of

systentery, treats excessive bleeding from the uterus, piles,

inflammation of the testicles.



Ash from teh fibres:  colling drink aids in blood flow, arrests

internal bleeding, treats smallpox, jaundice, cancerous swellings,

hiccups.



Asparagus:

parts used:



roots: expel phlegm from the respiratory passages, increase flow of

urine, tonic for females, treat hacking cough, spitting of blood,

fever, constipation arising after fever.



Fritillaria:



fritillaria chirrhose



part used: bulbs, treat chronic cough, chronic bronchitis,

tuberculosis



Frittillaria venticillata : thunbergii:



part used : bulk: treats common cold, cough with phlegm, asthma,

bronchitis, tuberculosis, painful menstruation, swelling, inflammation

of the breast, stomachache.



The above taken from:Chinese Medicinal Herbs:  Wee Yeow Chin & Hsual

Kneg, CRCS Publications, Post Office Box 1460, Sebastopol, CA. 95472

(nci)

This book has excellent color photos of all the herbs and is a

beautiful reference.



Not menetioned is dosage, or method of taking, although many  Chinese

herbs are used in teas.



Hope you find this interesting and useful.



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: HERB Digest - 14 Feb 1998 to 15 Feb 1998

From: Yesirree@AOL.COM

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 22:07:14 EST

--------

My friend who is a volunteer for a hospice wanted to know if there are any

herbs that might make the termianlly ill more comfortable. Now we know most of

them are on morphine patches but some are not. Sometimes a hot tea is a

emotional comfort when shared with someone and why not make it effecacious?

sp?

Anyway what about willow tea? Could it do any harm? Would anything help if

they were not on morphine or did not choose to be on narcotics? What are your

opinions or suggestions?

Thank you

Catherine







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Elizabeth's Questions

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Feb 1998 23:33:06 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-14 03:07:07 EST, you write:



<<Needless to say, I'm having some trouble with finding fibre i can consume,

as well as protein.  I also have a hard time digesting beans and lentils, so

that type of protein is out>>



Have you tried the good old store bought cream of rice  mixed with a little

posyllium seed- some fiber and easy on the system  maybe mix in some cashews

that have been ground up for flavor and for the oils.  - Also would recommend

finding some "enzymall" (nci) at the health food store.  Also would go for the

tofu in the dairy case - It may not be everythging that you want. but at least

there is some protein there and if you mix it with one of the amino acid

complex liquids that you can find at the health food store you should be

getting more than you are getting now.  Try also some freshly made carrot

juice a couple of times a day - the beta carotene and the rest of the stuff

from the carrots works wonders on this kind of disorder...



 >>I know that my diet is atrocious because I haven't yet found anything to

 replace the things I'm no longer allowed to eat.  My hair is falling out

 by the handfuls, and as a woman with waist-long hair, this is, to say the

 least, alarming.  My energy levels are depleted, my skin is no longer

 looking healthy, but rather sallow and wan.  I've lost weight as result

 and while i'm pleased with that, i know it's not healthy.<<



Ther are a number of good - vegan acceptable protein drinks that come in

powder form at the health food store that are also wheat and gluten adn yeast

free.  Try one or another till you find one you like -  You should also be

taking some alfalfa tablets to replace the Vit K you are losing and are

probably deficient in  3500 mg/day at first - then down to 2,000 when things

settle down.





 >>I have a vitamin/herbal ritual i follow daily, and i was wondering if

 there was anything else i should toss in the mixture in terms of energy

 boosters etc, <<



Siberian ginseng 3-4 times a day in a tea - or in a tincture form.



>>or, although i realize it's off topic, anything you could

 suggest in terms of diet as well.  <<



fresh veggies - no alcohol - little if any sugar - READ the labels- rasins -

raspberries, sulphered molasses - natural if possible - be careful for

reactions to milk and dairy and if they appear - discontinue use.   - no

chocolate -



>>I have recently married and would like

 to have a family, and as i'm (just) over 30, I'm taking folic acid,

 garlic, iron, dophilus plus, digespro, pantothenic acid and lipozyme, all

 of which were recommended to me by an herbalist before I was diagnosed

 with celiac<<



I personally would keep with the iron - get some enzymall as noted above -

some liquid b-complex preferably from an herbal source, some calcium/

magnezium/ bismuth combination pils and -  dump the rest - at least for now -

go to an absolutely bland diet - rice and tofu and green veggies, water and

little else - (except what is suggestedabove and then add back things one at a

time - and wait three days before introducing anything else new to see if

there will be a reaction.



 my two cnets worth

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ginseng

From: "C. Davis" <rcdavis@REACH.NET>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 09:12:22 -0500

--------

Can anyone tell me the difference between Korean, Asiatic and Siberian

ginseng?  Which is more benificial?



Caroline







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Annorexia

From: Denise M Hein <Itsmepanda@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 12:13:30 EST

--------

Hi all,



This may seem a bit off topic...I was wondering if anyone had any herbs to

recommend to aid in the treatment of annorexia.  I realize this is a psych.

illness, but to that end, I was wondering if anyone had any experience with

the disease & if you could advise on any herbs as an adjunct to traditional

treatment (ie nutritional counseling, psych. counseling)



Thank you in advance,



Denise







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Annorexia

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:48:04 -0900

--------

At 12:13 PM 2/16/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>This may seem a bit off topic...I was wondering if anyone had any herbs to

>recommend to aid in the treatment of annorexia.  I realize this is a psych.

>illness, but to that end, I was wondering if anyone had any experience with

>the disease & if you could advise on any herbs as an adjunct to traditional

>treatment (ie nutritional counseling, psych. counseling)

>

>Thank you in advance,

>

>Denise

>

>

My friend and acupuncturist/Chinese herbalist says that eating disorders

are IMBALANCE.  They CAN be put back into balance but it is a whole body

balance.  There are no simple treatments.  They must be handled

individually and have a complete bio workup and diagnosis before treatment.

 The treatment involves both the use of herbs and acupuncture.  Seek the

help of a professional for this ailment.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: EMPHYSEMA

From: "James H. Emerson" <Godsecho@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 13:55:52 EST

--------

Grasping at straws, I know but is there anything in the herbal field that will

help

 someone who has a severe  case of  emphysema?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Archilles Tendon

From: Alan Willoughby <awilloby@ENTERNET.CO.NZ>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:20:44 +0000

--------

Hi All



I have a friend who snapped his Archilles tendon playing tennis a few

months ago.  He is now out of plaster for the second time (he

resnapped it after a few days the first time he came out of plaster)

and is having physio on it.  They say it will be at least 6 months

before he can walk on it normally.



Does anyone know of any herbal preparations he can take/apply to help

this please?



Many thanks



Alan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Archilles Tendon

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:20:07 +0000

--------

>From my readings about the Liver, the Tendons are governed by the

Liver Gall Bladder Meridian.  I would look to detox and tonify the

liver with regards to the chronic tendonitis.



I would also consider the BF & C formula from Nature's Way/Dr.

Christopher.  (nci)  Archieves should have this recipe.



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sassafras and liver toxicity

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 15:59:41 -0500

--------

Sassafras albidium was used to flavor root beer and for a variety of

medicinal uses.  The dried root bark contains 5-9% volatile oil, 6%

tannin, resin and starch.  Sassafras is used as an alterative, aromatic,

stimulant, carminative,diaphoretic and diuretic.  It has traditional uses

for rheumatism and syphillis.



The volatile oil is steam distilled from the entire root (not just the

root bark).  The oil is 80% safrole.  Safrole in isolation is probably

carcinogenic and in large quantities can produce narcotic poisoning, with

widespread fat degeneration in the heart, liver and kidney.  The

essential oil was banned for internal consumption by the FDA in 1960

because of its safrole content.  The internal use of the oil was found in

the flavoring industry, not among herbalists.  It is used externally for

lice and by aromatherapists for menstural problems.  Safrole is found in

nutmeg, cloves and other common spices.



However to get a poisonous dosage of sassafras from the 5-9% in dried

root bark, one would have to take a very large dose.  To get it from the

tea, which is prescribed for skin conditions, arthritic and rheumatic

pains, ulcers, colds and flus, one would have to drink bucketfuls.



Liver toxicity occurs for a number of reasons, from alcohol abuseto bad

diet to chemical exposure to continual anger.  While sassafras is not

suggested for what the Chinese call a "hot liver" condition, it would be

hard to get from the herb unless one were abusing or industrially

poisoned from the essential oil. (An essential oil is very different from

the herb it comes from.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:47:51 -0500 C Adgate <cadgate@MINDSPRING.COM>

writes:

>I am speaking re: Sassafrass.  I knew someone who died from liver

>toxicty 20 years ago.  Hopefully it is stlll banned.



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Subject: Re: Sassafras and liver toxicity

From: C Adgate <cadgate@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:47:15 -0500

--------

They got it from drinking the sassafras tea and not in buckets, not from

alcohol nor anger.



>

>However to get a poisonous dosage of sassafras from the 5-9% in dried

>root bark, one would have to take a very large dose.  To get it from the

>tea, which is prescribed for skin conditions, arthritic and rheumatic

>pains, ulcers, colds and flus, one would have to drink bucketfuls.

>

>Liver toxicity occurs for a number of reasons, from alcohol abuseto bad

>diet to chemical exposure to continual anger.  While sassafras is not

>suggested for what the Chinese call a "hot liver" condition, it would be

>hard to get from the herb unless one were abusing or industrially

>poisoned from the essential oil. (An essential oil is very different from

>the herb it comes from.)

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>****************************************

>Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

>See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.

>

>On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:47:51 -0500 C Adgate <cadgate@MINDSPRING.COM>

>writes:

>>I am speaking re: Sassafrass.  I knew someone who died from liver

>>toxicty 20 years ago.  Hopefully it is stlll banned.

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sassafras and liver toxicity

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:33:52 GMT

--------

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 05:47:15 -0500, C Adgate <cadgate@MINDSPRING.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>They got it from drinking the sassafras tea and not in buckets, not from

>alcohol nor anger.



Would you state your sources for this statement, please?

Henriette



--

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sassafras and liver toxicity

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:07:31 -0500

--------

>They got it from drinking the sassafras tea and not in buckets, not from

>alcohol nor anger.



The liver can be compromised by any number of situations you were unaware

of.  Environmental toxins as a child (my family used to paint the roof of

our cabin in the bedrooms with Penta, a potent insecticide and we slept

in the rooms afterwards; other people had polluted ground water or heavy

metal poisoning from deteriorating dental amalgams or dirt near a

roadway.)  Or there could have been prenatal conditions like maternal

alcohol abuse or medications prescribed before they knew what might

happen to fetal livers.  Or  something in a work environment.  Or a

discrete period of drug or alcohol abuse in someone's adolescence.  Or

poor diet.



Look at the numbers.  It would take above 2 drams of the safrole oil to

cause problems.  The root bark contains 5-9 parts per hundred essential

oil which is largely but not entirely safrole and the bark is diluted to

a tablespoon  per cup of water for tea.  Bark that is sitting around has

the volatile oils evaporating, so the amount in actual use is probably

lower. And some of that safrole is probably locked up chemically and

unavailable.  Over time the body will deactivate some of that (Elliot or

Mary, help me here).  So it isn't directly cumulative, although there

might be some accumulation especially if the liver was compromised

before.



I wouldn't suggest that anyone with a compromised liver take any herb

that can stress the liver except as a part of a supervised therapeutic

regimen.  And I don't suggest daily consumption of herbs which have side

effects.  But  sassafras is an herb which has been used safely for

millenia and the presence of isolated constituents which  can be

dangerous does not mean that the whole herb itself should be avoided.





Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Subject: Re: Sassafras and liver toxicity

From: C Adgate <cadgate@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 06:29:17 -0500

--------

I was responding to a comment that this person I knew could not have died

from liver toxicity from drinking the tea - that it must of been that they

drank in buckets or had abused etoph or had high levels of anger.  They had

neither.  The source is their family and my close knowledge of this person.>

>>They got it from drinking the sassafras tea and not in buckets, not from

>>alcohol nor anger.

>

>Would you state your sources for this statement, please?

>Henriette

>

>--

>Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Historical uses, sameness of effect and safety

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:04:11 -0500

--------

Cindy,



A herbalist does not recommend the same herb to everyone for a similar

problem.  People come in different constitutional types, with different

diets, under different stress levels and with different lifestyles.  You

may be able to see it better in dietary terms: a vegetarian will be able

to absorb calcium from plant sources than an omnivore with excess protein

and insufficient magnesium, because the protein will bind the dietary

calcium.  So you would give each person a different recommendation for

osteoporosis.



There are some constants.  A person with lots of skin rashes probably has

a liver that is not detoxifying the body well.  One would work on dietary

solutions and liver herbs, but they would be individually selected.



Everyone does not start off on the same playing field.  Some people are

at stages of life where they are growing, others are bearing children or

nursing them, others are living with fluctuating menopausal hormone

levels, and others are bedridden.  The headache in each of these people

could come from a different cause, and the client would be treated

differently.  (Say vitex for the menopausal woman and oatstraw for the

nursing mom, and perhaps white willow or feverfew for someone else.)



Most studies of herbs are currently studies of constituents.  This is

interesting, but it doesn't tell us how the herb works in vivo.  For

instance, ephedra is an herb used for asthma.  It's constituent ephidrine

was isolated and allopathically  given to treat asthma, but it caused the

heart to beat too fast and was discontinued.  But ephedra has both

ephedrine and other alkaloids that slow the heart beat, so while its

overall effect is stimulating, the effect is buffered.  The ephedrine

constituent study might make you think that ephedra would cause heart

attacks (and a study of the other alkaloid might make you think it

lowered the heart beat overall), but when properly used the herb, in vivo

is different from either constituent study.



St. John's wort is similar.  It has at least 10 known active

constituents, with 25 different actions.  Some companies use low grade or

immature hypericum and only standardize their product to hypericin (one

of those constituents).  It changes the formula, so to speak and can

cause side effects that the properly processed whole herb extract does

not.  Do you know which St. John's wort was used in the latest study?



Herbs are real medicines and a herbalist is not going to give a person

with a compromised "hot" liver sassafras or a depressed person hops.



If you stick around you will see that there are various ways people use

to diagnose conditions and that there is a complexity in herbalism which

doesn't make it into the popular magazine articles.  Some herbs are tonic

like nettles, and a wide variety of people can use them beneficially.

Some are adaptogens and can even work in contradictory ways depending

what a person needs (hawthorne berries can increase or decrease heart

rate).  Other herbs are heroic, that is they have potent effects like

poke root, and should be used by experts because the wrong use can be

toxic.



Historical traditions have been written down for thousands of years.  A

great many of Dioscorides' or Galen's cures are still used.  But they are

not passed down in generalities.  The herb must be harvested at the right

time under the right conditions.  (When Culpepper says to harvest a plant

on the south side of a hill with a clear heart, just before the summer

sun touches the midpoint, he is saying to pick the herb from a sunny

location, near noon when the moisture content is lower in a manner that

doesn't rupture the plant cells and "bruise' the herb.) The herb may have

to be tinctured before or after it dries to get a particular effect.  The

root will have different effects than the leaves or flower in most cases.





If you read ancient herbals you will see precise instructions.  Those

that don't work are usually dropped within a reasonable historical period

of time.  There is an ongoing herbal tradition, that was disrupted only

in this century in the US because MDs were expressly prohibited from

coordinating care with other kinds of medical practicioners like

homeopaths, herbalists or chiropractors.  But the tradition stayed alive

in other countries and is being reinstated in all its complexity.

Consulting with practicioners from various cultures is more likely to

yield accurate information than going in cold and trying to create a new

compound.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

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See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 22:47:51 -0500 C Adgate <cadgate@MINDSPRING.COM>

writes:

>  are you confusing this herb with sassafrass?

>>

>I am speaking re: Sassafrass.  I knew someone who died from liver

>toxicty 20 years ago.  Hopefully it is stlll banned.

>>

>I disagree that approaching items from a historical perspecitve yiedls

>more pertinent information.  You don't know if everyone was measuring

>things the same- that is the issue  What is wrong with your agrument is

exactly

>that we don't start everyone on the same playing field.  How can you

>recommned something if it does react differently  with everyone?

>

>Where do you get your statistic's from ?  I am not advocating drug

>companies - certainly their incentives are to create drugs that make

>money and not use traditional herbal solutions.  But I think we need to

>balance science with "intuition" - it will help more people in the long

run.

>

>Cindy



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Subject: Re: Historical uses, sameness of effect and safety

From: Leigh Allen <leigha@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:14:11 -0600

--------

At 04:04 PM 2/16/98 -0500, you wrote:

<snip>

>There are some constants.  A person with lots of skin rashes probably has

>a liver that is not detoxifying the body well.  One would work on dietary

>solutions and liver herbs, but they would be individually selected.

>

I'm new to this list and hope this hasn't been covered recently.  Could

someone please address what herbs are good liver herbs?  I've looked in

several of my herbal "bibles" and can't find very much good information on

herbs to help cleanse and detox the liver.



Thanks,

Leigh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Reaching Cherie

From: Ela Heyn <Ela_Heyn@NOTES.PW.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:42:10 EST

--------

Re: Reaching Cherie Capps (for herbal correspondence courses):



Have you tried her email address:  herbs@ordata.com?  I have her phone number

at home, too; I'll look it up and post it to the list tomorrow.  I assume it's

okay to do this, since it's a business number, not a personal phone number.



- Ela







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low thyroid

From: CeCe Lisby <HERBWISE@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 20:39:26 EST

--------

Hello everyone. I've been lurking and learning for some time. This will be my

first post. Sure hope it works.  My daughter (35) has just had her blood test

come back with an extremely low thyroid reading. The Dr. had her come back for

a second test to verify. Still extremely low!! What, if anyting can I suggest,

herbally,to bring her back into a more normal range?  I'll appreciate any

comments.



CeCe







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low thyroid

From: Carol Ostrander <CarolnNY@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:38:09 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-17 02:10:33 EST, CeCe writes:



<< My daughter (35) has just had her blood test

 come back with an extremely low thyroid reading. The Dr. had her come back

for

 a second test to verify. Still extremely low!! What, if anyting can I

suggest,

 herbally,to bring her back into a more normal range?  I'll appreciate any

 comments. >>



Yesterday I had the same diagnosis.  My doctor suggested I start by taking a

Homeopathic preparation.  He said that the prescription drugs can sometimes

cause the body to become lazy &  depend on the drug & stop production on its

own.



I do not know what the Homeopathic preparation is yet, cause he had to order

it & it will not be in untill the end of this week..



Carol

carolnNY@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low thyroid

From: Lisa Ann Oberbroeckling <JOberbroec@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:38:50 EST

--------

KELP is good for iodine which is needed for proper thyroid function.  unless

the thyroid is resulting from a malfunction of some other endocrine area.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low thyroid

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:09:20 -0600

--------

On Mon, 16 Feb 1998, CeCe Lisby wrote:



> Hello everyone. I've been lurking and learning for some time. This will be my

> first post. Sure hope it works.  My daughter (35) has just had her blood test

> come back with an extremely low thyroid reading. The Dr. had her come back for

> a second test to verify. Still extremely low!! What, if anyting can I suggest,

> herbally,to bring her back into a more normal range?  I'll appreciate any

> comments.

>

> CeCe

>

Iodine is important to the thyroid , as other other minerals and vitamins

but I have found that getting digestion up to normal, by making

elimination better by adding more fiber to the diet and less meat and

animal products, you can actually raise your basal metabolism quite a bit

and not have to take anything from a doctor which is going to do yourself

harm.



If you'd like more information from me, e-mail me and I'd be glad to help.



Mike







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low thyroid

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:05:49 -0600

--------

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998, Rick Van Benschoten wrote:



> In a message dated 2/17/98 12:22:39 PM, you wrote:

>

> <<If you'd like more information from me, e-mail me and I'd be glad to help.

> >>

>

> Mike,

>

> Would you please post to the list.  I suspect a lot of us are interested in

> what you have to say.

>

> Rick

>



Hi Rick and others,



I have been able to raise the basal metabolism of myself and others but

increasing our digestion/elmination with the use of fiber,

acidophilus,supplements such as Calcium/Magnesium and iodine.



Once your elimination, that is to say your digestion is up to speed, your

temperature rises and you can eat more and not gain weight or become toxic.





Mike







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags & blood sugar

From: Billie Judy <jstratma@W-LINK.NET>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 18:51:46 -0800

--------

>>as far as I know, skin tags are due to low blood sugar.<<



I think tags could be related to low blood sugar, but I've got a lot of

them on my neck and I'm diabetic...HIGH blood sugar.  I used to be

hypoglycemic, and my naturopath told me then (based on noticing my skin

tags) that I could be pre-diabetic.  Eight years later, guess what?

Wish I had paid more attention...



I think it's all related to hormones.  Such important little critters.

Any way, for what it's worth... :-)



Billie, Over the Garden Fence







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags & blood sugar

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 10:57:02 -0900

--------

At 06:51 PM 2/16/98 -0800, you wrote:

>>>as far as I know, skin tags are due to low blood sugar.<<

>

>I think tags could be related to low blood sugar, but I've got a lot of

>them on my neck and I'm diabetic...HIGH blood sugar.  I used to be

>hypoglycemic, and my naturopath told me then (based on noticing my skin

>tags) that I could be pre-diabetic.  Eight years later, guess what?

>Wish I had paid more attention...

>

>I think it's all related to hormones.  Such important little critters.

>Any way, for what it's worth... :-)

>

>Billie, Over the Garden Fence

>

>

There are different types of diabetes.  It sounds like you have Type II

diabetes which may be high blood sugar but is ALSO high insulin.  In this

type of diabetes the insulin just doesn't work correctly.  It's there but

it doesn't work.  Sometimes they will prescribe insulin injections to

increase the presence of insulin hoping that the blood sugar will be

reduced with greater insulin.  This works somewhat.

If it is indeed adult onset, Type II diabetes the culprit may not be the

sugar element but the insulin element...e.g. HYPERINSULIN which is

consistent with both Type II diabetes AND hypoglycaemia.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags & blood sugar

From: "C. S. R." <sucrose@INFO.COM.PH>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:18:38 +0800

--------

Dear Billie,



The article below says there were instances of diabetic cure.



Below is an interesting article that responsible adults needs to read, stop

to think, analyse is it possible and possibly practice for our very own

wellness.



How a colon cancer patient survive with the cheapest alternative.



http://home.unicomp.net/~lschiele/gmtest.htm



We are what we digest and absord! whether food, literatures, insecticides,

smoke, air, pollution, etc.



Enjoy your reading! Have a nice day!



Best regards,

Manuel Kiok





At 10:57 AM 2/20/98 -0900, you wrote:

>At 06:51 PM 2/16/98 -0800, you wrote:

>>>>as far as I know, skin tags are due to low blood sugar.<<

>>

>>I think tags could be related to low blood sugar, but I've got a lot of

>>them on my neck and I'm diabetic...HIGH blood sugar.  I used to be

>>hypoglycemic, and my naturopath told me then (based on noticing my skin

>>tags) that I could be pre-diabetic.  Eight years later, guess what?

>>Wish I had paid more attention...

>>

>>I think it's all related to hormones.  Such important little critters.

>>Any way, for what it's worth... :-)

>>

>>Billie, Over the Garden Fence

>>

>>

>There are different types of diabetes.  It sounds like you have Type II

>diabetes which may be high blood sugar but is ALSO high insulin.  In this

>type of diabetes the insulin just doesn't work correctly.  It's there but

>it doesn't work.  Sometimes they will prescribe insulin injections to

>increase the presence of insulin hoping that the blood sugar will be

>reduced with greater insulin.  This works somewhat.

>If it is indeed adult onset, Type II diabetes the culprit may not be the

>sugar element but the insulin element...e.g. HYPERINSULIN which is

>consistent with both Type II diabetes AND hypoglycaemia.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Book on Energetics

From: Bo <bodacia@TDL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:02:56 -0800

--------

For quite some time, I've been interested in learning more about the

energetics of western herbs, but have been frustrated by the lack of

reference materials out there.  Then earlier today, as I was browsing

through Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco, I came across volume 2 of a

2-volume book entitled _The Energetics of Western Herbs: A Materia Medica

Integrating Western and Oriental Herbal Medicine Traditions_ by Peter

Holmes (1989, Snow Lotus Press).



>From my quick perusal of the book, it looked fairly comprehensive; however,

I didn't have time to read it in any depth (and I balked at the $45 price

for 1 volume!).  I was wondering if any of you had seen/read this book, and

what you thought of it...  Also, if anyone knows of any other sources of

information on western herbal energetics, please let me know.  Thanks. :)





-Bo

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Book on Energetics

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:46:55 -0500

--------

Michael Tierra covers some of the same material in "Planetary Herbology"

which is available in paperback.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 21:02:56 -0800 Bo <bodacia@TDL.COM> writes:

>For quite some time, I've been interested in learning more about the

>energetics of western herbs, but have been frustrated by the lack of

>reference materials out there.  Then earlier today, as I was browsing

>through Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco, I came across volume 2 of a

>2-volume book entitled _The Energetics of Western Herbs: A Materia

>Medica

>Integrating Western and Oriental Herbal Medicine Traditions_ by Peter

>Holmes (1989, Snow Lotus Press).

>

>>From my quick perusal of the book, it looked fairly comprehensive;

>however,

>I didn't have time to read it in any depth (and I balked at the $45

>price

>for 1 volume!).  I was wondering if any of you had seen/read this

>book, and

>what you thought of it...  Also, if anyone knows of any other sources

>of

>information on western herbal energetics, please let me know.  Thanks.

>:)

>

>

>-Bo

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>http://www.tdl.com/~bodacia

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Book on Energetics

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 11:28:05 -0900

--------

At 09:02 PM 2/16/98 -0800, Bo wrote:

>For quite some time, I've been interested in learning more about the

>energetics of western herbs, but have been frustrated by the lack of

>reference materials out there.  Then earlier today, as I was browsing

>through Rainbow Grocery in San Francisco, I came across volume 2 of a

>2-volume book entitled _The Energetics of Western Herbs: A Materia Medica

>Integrating Western and Oriental Herbal Medicine Traditions_ by Peter

>Holmes (1989, Snow Lotus Press).

>

>

I've seen and used these books.  Peter Holmes is  what might be termed a

"transitional" herbalist along with people like Michael Tierra.  They are

attempting to bring together an energetic approach, as is used in Chinese

medicine, to a Western format.  It is a formidable job.

There are many herbs not listed in the Chinese Materia Medica or that do

not have Chinese energetic equivalents defined.  These books seem to be an

attempt to define Western herbs in a Chinese context.  They can be useful

in a transition to Chinese herbalism and visaversa.

The Chinese system of energetics in diagnosis and treatment has no equal

(maybe Ayurvedic is very close).  There is much that needs to be done.

These books will need to be verified in actual treatments.  Some

professional herbalists scoff at Holmes' works for this reason.  But at

least someone has started somewhere.  I know of no other more definitive

work like this.

It remains to be seen IF one can actually make these herbs work in the

Chinese energetic formula. Some likely will.

They are a useful study aid.

It's high time Western herbalism went BACK to an energetic approach. It was

once used extensively (Check Gerrard and others). We've drifted to an

allopathic approach.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herb fiction

From: "Rachel E. Harris" <SlappyGrrl@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 06:45:32 EST

--------

Anyone who likes fiction novels, there is this great series by Jean M. Auel

(no commercial interest).  It's called the Earth Children Series, and the

books are (in order) The Clan of the Cave Bear, The Valley of Horses, The

Mammoth Hunters, and The Plains of Passage.  It is set in pre-Ice Age time,

and the main character is an herbalist.  It was these books that first got me

interested in herbalism, and taught me several basic remedies which I find

very effective.  The author really did her research.  And besides being

somewhat informative on herbs, these books are very interesting.  If you

happen to like books like these, you really should check them out.  These are

now my all-time favorite books, without question.



Happy reading!

  Rachel

  Slappygrrl@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb fiction

From: Marianne Lepa <mlepa@ADAN.KINGSTON.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:20:52 -0500

--------

Yes! I loved Jean Auel's books for the information contained in them.

Another one of my favorites, though non-fiction, is "Roughing it in the

Bush" by Susanna Moodie (widely available in Canada, don't know about

elsewhere) and chronicles the life an English family learning to live as

pioneers in early Canada. Among other choice tidbits is a detailled account

of how to make a coffee-like drink from dandelion roots.



Marianne

mlepa@kingston.net





At 06:45 AM 2/17/98 EST, you wrote:

>Anyone who likes fiction novels, there is this great series by Jean M. Auel

>(no commercial interest).  It's called the Earth Children Series, and the

>books are (in order) The Clan of the Cave Bear, The Valley of Horses, The

>Mammoth Hunters, and The Plains of Passage.  It is set in pre-Ice Age time,

>and the main character is an herbalist.  It was these books that first got me

>interested in herbalism, and taught me several basic remedies which I find

>very effective.  The author really did her research.  And besides being

>somewhat informative on herbs, these books are very interesting.  If you

>happen to like books like these, you really should check them out.  These are

>now my all-time favorite books, without question.

>

>Happy reading!

>  Rachel

>  Slappygrrl@aol.com

>

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb fiction

From: Rowhan <rowhan13@GEOCITIES.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:51:30 -0500

--------

Another good series is the Brother Cadfael mysteries by Ellis Peters, twenty

books in all.  The main character is a crusader turned monk and herbalist

who likes to get up to "mischief."  He manages to solve a lot of murders

along the way.  The first book in the series is A Morbid Taste for Bones.

Mystery! on PBS has been showing Brother Cadfael around here (upstate NY) on

Thursday evenings.



Rowhan



>Yes! I loved Jean Auel's books for the information contained in them.

>Another one of my favorites, though non-fiction, is "Roughing it in the

>Bush" by Susanna Moodie (widely available in Canada, don't know about

>elsewhere) and chronicles the life an English family learning to live as

>pioneers in early Canada. Among other choice tidbits is a detailled account

>of how to make a coffee-like drink from dandelion roots.

>

>Marianne

>mlepa@kingston.net

>

>

>At 06:45 AM 2/17/98 EST, you wrote:

>>Anyone who likes fiction novels, there is this great series by Jean M.

Auel

>>(no commercial interest).  It's called the Earth Children Series, and the

>>books are (in order) The Clan of the Cave Bear, The Valley of Horses, The

>>Mammoth Hunters, and The Plains of Passage.  It is set in pre-Ice Age

time,

>>and the main character is an herbalist.  It was these books that first got

me

>>interested in herbalism, and taught me several basic remedies which I find

>>very effective.  The author really did her research.  And besides being

>>somewhat informative on herbs, these books are very interesting.  If you

>>happen to like books like these, you really should check them out.  These

are

>>now my all-time favorite books, without question.

>>

>>Happy reading!

>>  Rachel

>>  Slappygrrl@aol.com

>>

>>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb fiction

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:00:14 -0600

--------

If you like light mystery reading try either Ellis Peter's Brother Cadfael

series (the good Brother is a Benedictine herbalist monk who solves

mysteries) or Susan Albert's China Bayless Mystery series ( China is a

former lattorney turned herb shop owner who solves crimes).



KB



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb fiction

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 15:28:18 -0800

--------

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 16:00:14 -0600 Kathryn Bensinger

<kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US> writes:

>If you like light mystery reading try either Ellis Peter's Brother

>Cadfael

>series (the good Brother is a Benedictine herbalist monk who solves

>mysteries) or Susan Albert's China Bayless Mystery series ( China is a

>former lattorney turned herb shop owner who solves crimes).

>

>KB

I LOVE the Cadfael series!  Ellis Peters too, has done her homework, in

terms of herbs, and also the time, the 1300's.  The monastery in

Shrewsbury actually existed, and still exists to this day.  And while i'm

not all that sure about a 14th century monk handing out a poppy seed

concoction for epilepsy, during that era, at any rate, it's still a great

read, and is also on PBS, on Mystery right now.



The Albert books i haven't read though, thanks for the suggestion.



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Subject: Re: Ulcerated Colon

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:43:50 EST

--------

<<

 Hello Caryn,

 My mother has an Ulcerated colon.  This is very serious.  My mom is in

 remission now.  She is not bleeding rectally and not having to have a

 bowel movement as soon as she is done eating.  This is what we have

 researched in  many books in order to get her where she is at today.

 She started drinking Georges' Aloe Vera juice 3x a day  1/4 cup. She eats

 lots of fresh garlic. Lots of white fish and chicken, no beef or pork.

 Acidophilus, Slippery Elm, a good multi-vit. liquid form if you can.

 Drink soy milk.  People who have this conidition tend to get anemic and

 malnourished. Rice should be Uncle bens converted rice.  Fruit should

 cooked.  She is getting diarrhea because she is eating the wrong foods.

 Tell her to go to the health food store and get a book for Ulcerative

 Colitis and or a Gluten free diet book.



 NO:     Pasta (Wheat, flour containing foods).  Everything gluten free.

         Eggs, milk, oil, nuts, citrus fruits anything to acidy.

         Everything should be steamed or boiled.

 We have helped my mom more than the docs.



 Dolores

  >>



Caryn, I'm not sure about the colon but the etiology of peptic ulcers has now

been associated with a bacteria ...Helicobacter pylori. If fact, the treatment

for ulcers is now with antibiotics (usually double or triple antibiotic

therapy) along with something to raise the pH. For example, ulcers have been

shown to recurr in 45 of 53 patients in whom H. pylori persists vs only 1 of

46 patients in whom the organism was eradicated (N Engl J Med

1993;328:308-12). You might want to look into this further ...there are tests

that can determine whether this organism is present in the system.



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herb info needed

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:55:09 EST

--------

Can anyone provide information on an herb .. khella or amni visnaga?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb info needed

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:40:25 -0500

--------

Elliot-

your query,

>Can anyone provide information on an herb .. khella or amni visnaga?



This does not grow around me, so I have no experience, perhaps someone else

can follow up with personal or other references---



But, from Jim Duke's U.S.D.A. ethnobotanical database:

(at least a few of our tax dollars have been hard at work)



Taxon : Ammi visnaga

Family Apiaceae

Genus Ammi

Species visnaga

Common_name Anmi

            Bisnaga Das Searas

            Biznaga

            Busnaga

            Khaizaran

            Khellakraut

            Khillah

            Pick Toothh

            Viznaga

Other_info Ethnobotany Use Angina-Pectoris Ammi visnaga Elsewhere

                           Asthma* Ammi visnaga Us

                           Bronchial-Asthma Ammi visnaga Elsewhere

                           Diuretic Ammi visnaga Elsewhere

                           Gravel Ammi visnaga Elsewhere

                           Medicine Ammi visnaga Mediterranean

                           Stomachic Ammi visnaga Venezuela

                           Urethra Ammi visnaga Elsewhere

                           Antispasmodic Ammi visnaga Elsewhere

                           Stimulant Ammi visnaga Portugal

                           Calculus Ammi visnaga Spain

                           Aperitif Ammi visnaga Italian

                           Angina Pectoris* Ammi visnaga Iraq

                           Asthma* Ammi visnaga Iraq

                           Colic Ammi visnaga Iraq

                           Coronary Pectoris* Ammi visnaga Iraq

                           Diuretic Ammi visnaga Iraq

                           Kidney Ammi visnaga Iraq

                           Leucoderma* Ammi visnaga Iraq

                           Spasm* Ammi visnaga Iraq

                           Vasodilator Ammi visnaga German

                           Emetic* Ammi visnaga Iraq

                           Spasm Ammi visnaga Us

                           Carminative Ammi visnaga Spanish



Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com



(Henrietta, is this Okay? There is no really simple way to access this web

page, and I have posted instructions here on how to do it already, but I

don't think that this is too long-but let me know if it is-j)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herb info needed

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 12:42:59 -0500

--------

Merry Meet,



Elliot wrote:

    Can anyone provide information on an herb .. khella or amni

visnaga?



Khella. Amni visnaga known to eary Egyptian medicine is antispasmodic

to repiratory and cardiovasular system. Alternative to use of

steroids in children. "A potent coronary vasodilator. Has been

employed in the treatment of angina pectoris and bronchial asthma; a

decotion is made for whooping cough"(Hakim Mohammed Said: Hamdard

Foundation,Pakistan.)

Has a long reputation in Arabian medicine for asthma and on record

for treatment of diseases of the coronary vessels, gall bladder,

kidney, bladder. To relieve painful spasm of stone in kidney or

bladder. Myocardial infarction, allergies.



Also Vitiligo, psoriasis (Abel-Fattah et al 1982)

Seeds yield sodium cromoglycate, a preparation which is inhaled from

a nebulizer or aerosol.



Linda Mansfield







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb info needed

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:06:09 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-17 12:51:39 EST, Linda writes:



<< Khella. Amni visnaga known to eary Egyptian medicine is antispasmodic

 to repiratory and cardiovasular system. Alternative to use of

 steroids in children. "A potent coronary vasodilator. Has been

 employed in the treatment of angina pectoris and bronchial asthma; a

 decotion is made for whooping cough"(Hakim Mohammed Said: Hamdard

 Foundation,Pakistan.)

 Has a long reputation in Arabian medicine for asthma and on record

 for treatment of diseases of the coronary vessels, gall bladder,

 kidney, bladder. To relieve painful spasm of stone in kidney or

 bladder. Myocardial infarction, allergies.



 Also Vitiligo, psoriasis (Abel-Fattah et al 1982)

 Seeds yield sodium cromoglycate, a preparation which is inhaled from

 a nebulizer or aerosol.

  >>



Apparently, this is the same as cromolyn (Intal, Nasalcrom) which is now

available OTC. I am curious as to how the active constituent can be extracted

from the seeds and utilized for inhalation. Also, how is the herb prepared and

used ...fluid extract, dried root or seed, etc??  -Elliot







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver herbs

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:35:13 -0500

--------

First of all, start with dandelion- greens, root and flowers.  You can

eat them (highly recommended), drink an infusion from the unroasted or

roasted roots or if you are feeling extravagant, buy tincture or capsules

at the health food store.  Next look at burdock, which may also be

creeping up in your garden.  The root may be sauteed, tinctured or dried

and powdered.  It leaves your skin feeling soft, especially if you eat

it.  Also boldo is good if you live in its growing area.



Milk thistle seeds can be ground into your breakfast cereal or tinctured,

and are delicious.  They usually require an electric coffee grinder.

Artichokes are good- eat them and drink the cook water. Bitters like

gentian are especially good.



If you use tinctures, put them in hot water first to evaporate out the

alcohol.



A good decocted infusion is  1 part barberry bark, 3 parts dandelion

root, 1 part ginger and 2 parts wild yam boiled for 15 minutes, to which

is added 1 part each of gentian, rosemary, artichoke leaves and licorice

root.  Cover, steep and drink after 15 minutes.  Yes, it is bitter.



Don't stress your liver with excess fatty foods or proteins and watch

simple sugars and excess carbohydrates.  Use enzyme-rich foods if you are

deficient.  Use a course of bitters in the spring and do a liver flush if

you have been on a course of chemical drugs.



Fresh squeezed lemon juice in the morning in a cup of hot water, a

half-hour before eating is good for a mild detox.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:14:11 -0600 Leigh Allen <leigha@EARTHLINK.NET>

writes:

>At 04:04 PM 2/16/98 -0500, you wrote:

>>

>I'm new to this list and hope this hasn't been covered recently.  Could

>someone please address what herbs are good liver herbs?  I've looked

>in several of my herbal "bibles" and can't find very much good

>information on herbs to help cleanse and detox the liver.

>

>Thanks,

>Leigh

>



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Subject: Re: Liver herbs

From: M J Hampstead <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:29:27 EST

--------

Thanks for this comprehensive info on herbal/dietary liver helpers.

I also fnd it helpful to juice dandelion, burdock, nettles, ginger and other

odds and ends. For those who must have sweet drinks, carrots apple added to

the above will help.

Thanks again

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver herbs

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:43:27 -0500

--------

Karen, I've filed away your recommendations listed below.  I do wonder if

your mention of doing a liver flush is different from what you've already

described.  Wd you pls elucidate?

Best, Anita



At 10:35 AM -0500 2/17/98, Karen S Vaughan wrote:

>First of all, start with dandelion- greens, root and flowers.  You can

>eat them (highly recommended), drink an infusion from the unroasted or

>roasted roots or if you are feeling extravagant, buy tincture or capsules

>at the health food store.  Next look at burdock, which may also be

>creeping up in your garden.  The root may be sauteed, tinctured or dried

>and powdered.  It leaves your skin feeling soft, especially if you eat

>it.  Also boldo is good if you live in its growing area.

>

>Milk thistle seeds can be ground into your breakfast cereal or tinctured,

>and are delicious.  They usually require an electric coffee grinder.

>Artichokes are good- eat them and drink the cook water. Bitters like

>gentian are especially good.

>

>If you use tinctures, put them in hot water first to evaporate out the

>alcohol.

>

>A good decocted infusion is  1 part barberry bark, 3 parts dandelion

>root, 1 part ginger and 2 parts wild yam boiled for 15 minutes, to which

>is added 1 part each of gentian, rosemary, artichoke leaves and licorice

>root.  Cover, steep and drink after 15 minutes.  Yes, it is bitter.

>

>Don't stress your liver with excess fatty foods or proteins and watch

>simple sugars and excess carbohydrates.  Use enzyme-rich foods if you are

>deficient.  Use a course of bitters in the spring and do a liver flush if

>you have been on a course of chemical drugs.

>

>Fresh squeezed lemon juice in the morning in a cup of hot water, a

>half-hour before eating is good for a mild detox.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>****************************************

>Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

>See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.

>

>On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 19:14:11 -0600 Leigh Allen <leigha@EARTHLINK.NET>

>writes:

>>At 04:04 PM 2/16/98 -0500, you wrote:

>>>

>>I'm new to this list and hope this hasn't been covered recently.  Could

>>someone please address what herbs are good liver herbs?  I've looked

>>in several of my herbal "bibles" and can't find very much good

>>information on herbs to help cleanse and detox the liver.

>>

>>Thanks,

>>Leigh

>>

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver herbs

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 08:38:26 -0800

--------

An interesting recipe from my Hildegard of Bingen readings for cleansing

the liver.......lavender wine.  Well, not an actual recipe because she

doesn't give exact proportions, but you gently boil lavender flowers in

wine for 10 minutes.  She suggests sipping this (warm) throughout the day

for 4-6 weeks.  Boiling will cut the alcohol down to about 2%.  I made some

with wine and added grape juice to cut the alcohol even more.  I used

approx 3 cups lavender flowers to 2 quarts liquid (half wine, half grape

juice).  She also mentions using this for melancholia.  Of course, we might

all jokingly think that the wine may be the ingredient that helps lift your

spirits, but lavender is widely used as an antidepressant, so I think her

combination has merit.  I made it for the liver cleanse, but I do notice

that I feel "cheered" somewhat while using it.



Be well,

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Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

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Subject: Re: hair analysis

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:50:57 -0500

--------

Hair analysis is a much less expensive way of testing for metals in the

body than blood analysis.  However it is not highly accurate and can pick

up shampoo, henna, and other hair treatments.  Someone who is familiar

with the shortcomings of the test and has you prepare appropriately may

be able to use it to corroborate other observations.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Mon, 16 Feb 1998 16:51:26 -0600 Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

writes:

>Karen and Anita,

>I would like you two to comment on hair analysis.  Would you please?

>Is it useful? What kinds of things show up? Is it necessary? What

>benefit is it? Please excuse my ignorance.

>Linda

>



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Subject: Re: hair analysis

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:22:41 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-17 12:04:52 EST, Karen wrote:



<< Hair analysis is a much less expensive way of testing for metals in the

 body than blood analysis.  However it is not highly accurate and can pick

 up shampoo, henna, and other hair treatments.  Someone who is familiar

 with the shortcomings of the test and has you prepare appropriately may

 be able to use it to corroborate other observations. >>



I think that if you look for a lab that is properly accredited they will do a

proper job.  the process, properly done, can be very accurate.  the hair is

vaporized and the gas subjected to analysis.  I would be very skeptical if the

form for submission did not ask about shampo, treatmetnts, etc so that the

chemical profiles can be adjusted.

peter.  The only other definitive determinant of cellular metal level

concentrations is a 24 hour provocative urine analysis.  the blood analyses

simply don't work for this.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Questions concerning growing herbs

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 07:59:59 -0800

--------

Thanks to everyone how wrote advice concerning celiac disease!



I now have a question about growing herbs...i have no problems with sage

and thyme, but i have been having extensive trouble growing chamomile,

english mint and rosemary.  It's rather disheartening to see plants that

seemed to be doing extremely well suddenly wilt and die, without any

apparent explanation.  I water carefully, spray often and like i said,

they seem to do wonderfully for a time, then poof, they're dead.



Also, as an aside, I'm also growing lunaria from seed, which are

thriving, but i recently  removed them from their communal growing pot

into separate pots and was wondering if it may be a better idea to have

left them growing and intertwining, which is what they seem to like to

do.  Unfortunately I live in an apartment and can't plant them into soil,

at least not until we move, and so was wondering about getting them a

nice big pot and letting them do their own thing together.



Any ideas?



Oh, and one last thing.  I have a friend who has ginger growing wild in

her back yard.  I don't know what type it is, but it throws off cones,

and she seems to think there may be some curative properties to them.

I've researched this and can find lots on ginger roots etc, but nothing

on cones.  Has anyone heard of any medicinal qualities to the gonger cone

at all?



Thanks in advance:)



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Subject: Re: Questions concerning growing herbs

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:23:29 -0800

--------

Elizabeth:



Chamomile, English Mint (ok  ANY mint, really) and Rosemary are all herbs

that basically don't WANT attention!



IGNORE them!  They'll grow out of spite. <G>



Seriously though, the soils they're in should be rich, yet well drained,

particularly the rosemary.  Think about where Rosemary starts from.... The

Mediterranean.  Its used to nice sunny summers with a touch of humidity and

not a lot of rain.  I suppose that's why it grows EVERYWHERE here in Santa

Barbara! They use it as a decoration, if ya believe that!  Its in city

street tree containers.  Its used in the median strips of the roads.  They

make topiary out of it.  Its everywhere!!!  VERY drought tolerant.



On your next try with these lovelies, mix up sand, potting soil and maybe a

decent handful of perlite. Give it a thorough watering to help the plant

settle into the soil and then IGNORE IT!



Don't feed it too much!  Just once in a while.  Don't water it until the

soil has been bone dry for a day or two!



I know its hard, because you want to encourage it, you want to love it, you

want to pamper it. Well, it HATES that!  I know, I've killed a few with

love, myself.



I can't help you with the other things, as I've never tried growing them,

myself.  I do sympathize with you, however. I must grow everything in pots,

myself. And, believe it or not, I've got the PERFECT location for a condo

for LIVING  but the WORST for growing plants.  My "yard" gets maybe 4 - 6

hours of direct light a day, due to the shadows of trees and other condo

buildings. That's great for the condo, itself as even during the sunniest &

warmest days, our living quarters never get too hot. However, my plants are

doubly challenged (my over-care  and the shadows, that is). I'm constantly

shuffling my plants around during the day (when I'm home!) so they can get

more sunlight.



- Good luck!

- Tera

-----Original Message-----

From:   elizabeth j powell [SMTP:elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM]

Sent:   Tuesday, February 17, 1998 8:00 AM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Questions concerning growing herbs



Thanks to everyone how wrote advice concerning celiac disease!



I now have a question about growing herbs...i have no problems with sage

and thyme, but i have been having extensive trouble growing chamomile,

english mint and rosemary.  It's rather disheartening to see plants that

seemed to be doing extremely well suddenly wilt and die, without any

apparent explanation.  I water carefully, spray often and like i said,

they seem to do wonderfully for a time, then poof, they're dead.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Questions concerning growing herbs

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:54:04 -0500

--------

Tera-



I garden in window boxes or the brick alley between my apartment building

and the next.  During the winter there is NO direct sun. As a result I

had to learn the deep shade native plants (sanguinaria anyone?), with an

emphasis on deciduous.



I finally took over a church garden for my sun-loving herbs.



Where there is a will. ;-)



Hope your plants survived the rainstorms.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 20:23:29 -0800 TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM> writes:



>.  I do sympathize with you, however. I must grow everything in pots,

>myself. And, believe it or not, I've got the PERFECT location for a

condo

>for LIVING  but the WORST for growing plants.  My "yard" gets maybe 4 -

6

>hours of direct light a day, due to the shadows of trees and other condo

>buildings. That's great for the condo, itself as even during the

sunniest &

>warmest days, our living quarters never get too hot. However, my plants

are

>doubly challenged (my over-care  and the shadows, that is). I'm

constantly

>shuffling my plants around during the day (when I'm home!) so they can

>get more sunlight.

>

>- Good luck!

>- Tera



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Subject: Re: Questions concerning growing herbs

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:02:41 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-17 23:34:01 EST, you write:



<< They

 make topiary out of it.  Its everywhere!!!  VERY drought tolerant. >>

Is that Rosemary Officinalis or Rosemary Angustifolia? The second variety is

usually made into tree shapes and sold at Christmas but it has no medicinal

properties and it smells strongly of pine. Here in NE Ohio I don't know any

gardeners who have been able to keep their rosemary alive and well even when

it is brought in over winter. I wish " neglecting it " was the answer. :)

Luvlylin







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Questions concerning growing herbs

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 22:24:03 -0800

--------

Linda:



I did mention that I'm in Santa Barbara, CA, didn't I?



Overwintering isn't a problem, here.  However, I do know (having killed

enough of it, through too much "love") that the biggest error one makes in

caring for their potted rosemary is too much water!  While it is wintering

and not getting its complete dose of sunshine, the plant goes into

dormancy.  Watering it will kill it.  IGNORE it.  Pull it in and IGNORE it.

 If you're afraid that its going to get crispy cuz its too dry, mist it.

 Don't water it. If you do, the roots will rot and that's that.... dead

plant!



All of my garden is in pots due to my condo living situation.  I had to

learn the hard way that while I'm watering all my other thirsty plants,

that rosemary gets NONE!  Her dirt must be bone dry for DAYS before I give

her even a little sip of water.



I have seen approximately 4 different types of rosemary around here with

varying needle shape, scent, flower and stem.  *ALL* have been made into

topiary.   I kid you not, rosemary is so thoroughly entrenched here in

Santa Barbara, I'm surprised that any store ever offers it for sale.  Want

some?  Ask a neighbor for a clipping to sprout or to use for cooking or

medicine (assuming no nasty chems, of course!). My original home was the

Chicago area.  When I first realized that rosemary was used as a

landscaping plant out here, I was totally amazed!  I honestly thought

"Gads, Californians are SO WEIRD!"



Well,  they are... but at least on this point, they're right.  For this

area... rosemary is a fabulous landscaping plant.   And such a pleasant

smell!



- Tera.



-----Original Message-----

From:   User Linda C. [SMTP:LuvlyLin@AOL.COM]

Sent:   Wednesday, February 18, 1998 9:03 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: Questions concerning growing herbs



In a message dated 98-02-17 23:34:01 EST, you write:



<< They

 make topiary out of it.  Its everywhere!!!  VERY drought tolerant. >>

Is that Rosemary Officinalis or Rosemary Angustifolia? The second variety

is

usually made into tree shapes and sold at Christmas but it has no medicinal

properties and it smells strongly of pine. Here in NE Ohio I don't know any

gardeners who have been able to keep their rosemary alive and well even

when

it is brought in over winter. I wish " neglecting it " was the answer. :)

Luvlylin







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Some herbal recipes

From: Mara Jade <akalo@UIT.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 10:31:56 -0600

--------

             Hi all. just found these and thought I'd pass them on to you.      



            Mara Jade



            akalo@uit.net



            



            

            

            Lavender Bath Oil



            4 oz corn/sunflower oil



            50 drops lavender /20 drops orange/10 drops patchouli



            1 oz vodka



            ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

            

            

            

            For Dry Skin



            Roman Chamomile 2 drops 



            German Chamomile 2 drops 



            Italian Everlasting 4 drops 



            Myrrh 2 drops 



            Sandalwood Mysore 5 drops 



            Lavender 2 drops 



            Calendula Extract 1 drop 



            Vitamin E 1 drop ----------------------------- 



            Jojoba Oil 20 ml 



            Sweet Almond Oil 24 ml 



            Evening Primrose Oil 6 ml Camelia Oil 10 ml ---------------------------



            

            

            Fitness Spray

            A blend of essential oils to inspire and support during workout while elimnating odor.

            Combine:

            6 drops of lemon oil

            6 drops of lavender oil

            5 drops of rosemary oil

            4 drops of petitgrain

            3 drops of eucalyptus

            2 fluid ounces of distilled water

            

            Put mixture in a spray bottle. Shake and lightly mist yourself before or/and after your workout.

            

            

            

            















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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hypothyroid

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 11:46:14 -0500

--------

Some things to watch for in hypothyroid:



1.  Too much iron, which frequently expresses itself as hypothyroidism

(and can feed candida bacteria which is possibly involved at a systematic

level).



2 .Kelp can be useful, but excessive kelp can change hypothyroid to

hyperthyroid.  She must be monitored.



3.  Both homeopathy and Oriental Medicine can get to the underlying cause

of hypothyroid, which giving Synthyroid or even Armour won't help

(although they may help symptomatically).



4.  Fo ti, a Chinese herb, can be useful in balancing the endocrine

system.



5. Toxic exposure can be a factor- environmental toxins, dental amalgams.



6.  Excessive vitamin C is not good.  (I can't tell what excessive is by

email).



Michael Tierra has a protocol for hypothyroid at his web site at

http://www.planetherbs.com



There is a great book called "Hypothyroidism: The Unsuspected Illness" by

Broda

Barnes, M.D. in it he addresses both hypo and hyperthyroid.  Also Jacob

Teitelbaum in his book "From Fatigued To Fantastic" addresses the problem

of thyroid imbalance very well and also addresses the adrenal

relationship in balancing these systems.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hypothyroid

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:45:37 EST

--------

Hi. Would someone mind explaing what hyper and hypothyroid are? I juat started

following this thrread so I may have missed the explanations from early on ~

if so, wil someone send me a copy of those?



Thanks,

Jessyka







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hypothyroid

From: Carol Ostrander <CarolnNY@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 20:07:49 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-18 18:48:05 EST, Jessyka writes:



<< Would someone mind explaing what hyper and hypothyroid are? >>



Note from me, people who are not over weight can also have hypothroidism.



 Part of an article by Gary Wikholm, M.D.



"The thyroid gland is a butterfly-shaped structure that consists of two lobes

in the lower part of your neck, one on either side of the trachea, or

windpipe.  the gland makes several hormones, but it is the thyroid hormone

thin paticular, that controls your metabolism.



An overactive thyroid (Hyperthyroid) generally increases metabolism so greatly

that it is virtually impossible to gain weight. But such is not the case for

people with a sluggish thyroid (Hypothyroid).



When the thyroid slows down anf thyroxine production is below normal, people

tend to put on weight. Their hair becomes dry and lifeless. Their skin becomes

dry & thickens.  Their faces become puffy. People feel continually tired and

wore out. Even simple tasks become monumental ordeals.



We know that some medical drugs and procedures (such as X-rays) or iodine

deficiency in the diet can cause a slyggish thyroid. But in many cases we

clinicians really don't know the cause of an individual patient's sluggish

thyroid."   end

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

---------

Symptoms of low thyroid can include:

(by Michael Biamonte, DN, CCN, from web site:

http://wellweb.com/altern/diseases/thyroid.htm )

Loss of hair

Weight gain

Cold hands and feet

Dry skin

Low body temperature

Low blood pressure

Low adrenal function

Menstrual irregularities

Infertility

PMS

Osteoporosis

Sugar cravings and hypoglycemia

Unexplained fatigue

Chronic fatigue

Constipation

Muscle cramps and spasms

Problems digesting fats and oils

Sluggish liver

Copper toxicity

Respiratory infections

Lowered resistance to colds and flu

High blood pressure

Migraines and chronic headaches







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Scar Tissue

From: Liz Marco <e-marco@TI.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 09:26:19 -0800

--------

I'm new to the list and herbs in general and hope someone has some suggestions.

My stepmother has had some major surgery on one of her hands.  Including

physical therapy her out-of-work time should have been 6 weeks.  According to

her specialist, a large amount of scar tissue has formed and continues to form.

She has absolutely no strength in her hand and cannot even close it.  She has

now been out of work for 3 months and is now facing the possibility of

long-term disability.



Is there anything out there that might help?  How about MSM/DMSO -- I know this

really isn't an herb, but I had heard that it could help.



Thanks,

Liz







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Canola

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:24:48 -0500

--------

The following puts in doubt the contention that livestock owners avoid

canola (rape seed).



Other information in those two pieces may be accurate, but let's separate

out the innacuracies and dross please.



(And didn't one of those pieces say that canola was a, gasp, weed?)



Karen Vaughan, weed eater

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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AMSTERDAM, Feb 2 (Reuters) - European compounders are expected to step up

use

of soymeal and sunmeal in coming months to replace more expensive

rapemeal,

traders and analysts said on Monday.



But animal feed producers are holding back after a busy week, stung by a

bounce in the dollar and awaiting a big South American soybean crop to

force

prices lower.



"Rapeseed prices are going up everyday...soybean meal on the other hand

is

heavily at a discount forward because of the new supply," a Dutch trader

said.



By Monday the price of March Brazilian soymeal pellets had fallen to $230

per

tonne, cif Rotterdam, from $250 a month ago.



February EU rapemeal, however, was quoted on Monday at $31.75 marks per

100

kg, fob exmills Lower Rhine, up 1.75 marks from about a month ago.



"Rapeseed meal is becoming more expensive and will be very scarce during

April/June," said analyst Arie van Dijk of statisticians Stigevo.



Poland is expected to import about 300,000 tonnes of rapeseed after

domestic

crop losses, a German trader said.



"As soon as Poland starts buying we could see sky-high prices," he added.





Rapemeal will be largely replaced in feed formulations by sunmeal pellets

from

Argentina, a very cheap product in April-June, and by soymeal," van Dijk

said.



The percentage of soymeal in pig feed has hovered around five to 10

percent

over the past six months, but is now up to 10-15 percent, he added.

snip (futures market info deleted)



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Subject: Re: Canola

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 13:43:19 -0800

--------

Thank you for the information, Karen.  Nice to know I wasn't just

hallucinating the info that I had found. <G>



- Tera.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal History Trivia Game 3

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 13:38:58 EST

--------

The original settlers [of Oregon] relied on folk medicine that was common to

the American pioneer experience. Women often acted as the druggists and

doctors for their families. Onion syrup was commonly used to treat children's

colds. Castor oil and epsom salts were favored for purging. Pioneer doctors

had to travel some distance to treat their patients, and the doctors kept

their own stocks of medicine. Quinine was frequently prescribed for the

malaria which raged throughout the region (Willamette Valley and along the

lower Columbia River). Opium and morphine were the standards for treating

conditions with pain.



Since the Oregon trail brought many of the travelers to Oregon City, Frederick

Prigg, the territorial secretary for Oregon, opened an apothecary shop there

in 1847. When he died in 1849, George Abernathy, the territorial governor

started a new drug store in its place. The first wholesale drug house in the

Pacific Northwest was begun in 1851. The early manufacturing pharmacists in

Oregon before 1880 were J.W. Murray of Corvallis, John Clark of Salem And

William Pfunder of Portland. Their products were the Vegetable Lung and Liver

Balsam, Web Foot Tonic and Pfunder's Oregon Blood Purifier, respectively,

which all contained Oregon Grape (Mahonia aquifolium) as a major ingredient.



Question: What is the active antibacterial constituent of Mahonia aquifolium?

What other major common herb has this same constituent?





(Excerpted from Pioneers Plant & Medicine's Along The Oregon Trail, Brinker;

Eclectic Dispensatory Of Botanical Therapuetics. by Kathryn Rosson - Eclectic

Medical Publications ...for those who might want to read more on herbal

history)





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia Game 3

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:07:03 +0000

--------

quiz answer:  berberine



also found in golden seal and barberry







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia Game 3

From: Pat Constantine <User276055@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:49:13 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-17 13:42:07 EST, you write:



<<

 Question: What is the active antibacterial constituent of Mahonia aquifolium?

 What other major common herb has this same constituent?

  >>

The active antibacterial constituent- Berberine (what is that?)



The other major common herb with the same constituent --Goldenseal?



Thanks for the information and for your time in preparing this question

Elliott.



Pat Constantine

User276055@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia Game 3

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 17:44:46 EST

--------

Well OK ...this one was a little easy. Lets repeat the question , then the

answer.



<The original settlers [of Oregon] relied on folk medicine that was common to

the <American pioneer experience. Women often acted as the druggists and

doctors for <their families. Onion syrup was commonly used to treat children's

colds. Castor oil <and epsom salts were favored for purging. Pioneer doctors

had to travel some <distance to treat their patients, and the doctors kept

their own stocks of medicine. <Quinine was frequently prescribed for the

malaria which raged throughout the region <(Willamette Valley and along the

lower Columbia River). Opium and morphine were <the standards for treating

conditions with pain.

<

<Since the Oregon trail brought many of the travelers to Oregon City,

Frederick P<rigg, the territorial secretary for Oregon, opened an apothecary

shop there in 1847. <When he died in 1849, George Abernathy, the territorial

governor started a new drug <store in its place. The first wholesale drug

house in the Pacific Northwest was <begun in 1851. The early manufacturing

pharmacists in Oregon before 1880 were <J.W. Murray of Corvallis, John Clark

of Salem And William Pfunder of Portland. <Their products were the Vegetable

Lung and Liver Balsam, Web Foot Tonic and <Pfunder's Oregon Blood Purifier,

respectively, which all contained Oregon Grape <(Mahonia aquifolium) as a

major ingredient.

<

<Question: What is the active anti bacterial constituent of Mahonia

aquifolium? What <other major common herb has this same constituent?



Answer: Mahonia aquifolium (or Berberis aquiifolium, common names - Oregon

Grape, Rocky Mountain Grape, California Barberry,  Mountain Holly, and

Trailing Mahonia) contains Berberine, a constituent found to be an effective

antibacterial. This is the same constituent found in Hydrastis canadensis

(Goldenseal). M. aquifolium contains so a high enough content of Berberine to

effectively replace the use of Hydrastis in most bacterial infection

circumstances. It is quite effective and known as "Poor Man's Goldenseal".



Oregon grape was a favorite with the California Indians, who made a decoction

of the roots with water or steeped them in liquor and took the medicine

internally for general debility or to create an appetite. Oregon grape was

long used in western domestic medicine as a tonic and blood purifier, but was

introduced to mainstream medicine in 1877 by Dr. J. H. Bundy. Berberis

aquifolium was official in the USP from 1905 to 1916 and in the NF from 1916

to 1947.



Howie Brounstein has used Oregon Grape as a substitue for both echinacea and

Goldenseal supporting previous Eclectic opinions. Brounstein recommends taking

the tincture in does of forty-five to sixty drops 3 to 4 times daily. If its

going to work, he says, there should be marked improvement within 24 hours.



Parts excerpted from Pioneers Plant & Medicine's Along The Oregon Trail,

Brinker; Eclectic Dispensatory Of Botanical Therapuetics. by Kathryn Rosson -

Eclectic Medical Publications ...and American  Indian Medicine by Virgil Vogel

and The Healing Power of Echinacdea and Goldenseal by Paul Bergner.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Liver herbs for Leigh Allen

From: caryn <caryn@CRUZIO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:16:40 +0000

--------

2/17/98:  For those of you that missed this before:

The following is taken from Christopher Hobbs "Foundation of Healht"

The Liver and Digestive Herbs, Botanical Press B0x 742 Capitola, CA.

(nci)  forward by Bernard Jensen.



In case the way your program scrambles the presentation, the format

will be Organ System, Element, Diagnosis Part,  Affected parts,

climate, taste, emotion.



Stomach/   earth   flesh  mouth     moisture   sweet   self pity

spleen             lips





lungs/    metal   nasal   skin/     dryness   acrid    grief,despair

colon                     cavities  body

                          hair



Kidney/   water   ears    bones,    coldness  salty   fear,anxiety

bladder                   head,



hair,



brain







Liver/                    wood    eyes   tendons,  wind

sour     anger

Gallbladder

nails



ligaments





Heart/                           fire                           tongue

vascular  heat      bitter   excitement,

pericardium/

system                       fright

small Intestine            complexion





In his book, as with Chinese Medicine, the Liver was the seat of

emotion, not the heart.   For those of you who have observed a calm

rational person become a raving rageaholic that may fight, hurt

innocents and "loose it" with a few drinks, may see the relationship.

The emotional reactions may be much milder and overtime very

debilitating.





He then goes on to discuss specific Therapeutic classifications of

Liver dis-ease



Therapeutic     Western Symptoms     Principle         Correlation

Syndrome





Stagnant or     depression,anger     dredge liver,     congested liver

constrained     anger, frustration   promote bile      blood flow,

liver chi       lumps in neck or     flow              constrained

                breast, poor

                digestion





Deficient        dizziness           tonify, the yin      deficient in

yin/uprising     blurry vision       pacify the liver,    enzymes and

liver yang       or night blind-     subdue the yang      other sub-

                 ness, flushed                            stances be-

                 face                                     sides blood

                                                          energy





blazing          hypertension,        clear liver,        excess symp-

liver fire       migraine             purge fire          pathetic

                                                          nervous stim

                                                          ulation,



liver over-



worked



liver blood      weakness of         tonify blood         liver blood

deficiency       tendons or          nuture liver         supply con

poor blood       ligaments, poor                          strained,

storage          digestion                                anemia, pro-



tein defi



ciency



liver wind       body rigidity       pacify liver         bile block

moving           extreme             extinguish           age, nerve



dizziness,          wind                 disorders,



servere pain                             tension in



muscles



He then discusses diet, herbs, supplements



I will outline his Liver Decongestant Tea



Dandelion root one part

Mugwort 1/4 part

Fennel 1/2 part

Burdock root  1 part

Ginger  1/2 pat

Milk Thistle extract (equivalent of one capsule)



mix one ounce of the herbs with 5 pints of water, simmer for 20

minutes, remove from heat. and let stand of 10 minutes before bottling

or drinking



1/4 to 1/2 of warm tea 3 times per day.  store in refrigerator. ALWAYS

WARM THE TEA BEFORE DRINKING.



This book has a lot of great info



In the Herbal section there is a detailed list of the following herbs,

Angelica, Artichoke, Barberry, Blessed Thistle, Bupleurum, Burdock,

Cascara sagrada, Fringe Tree, Chicory, Citrus, Cyperus, Dan shen,

Dandelion, Fruit, unripe, Gentian, Ginger, Golden Seal, Milk Thistle,

Mugwort, Red Root, Schiandra and Tumeric.



One discussion in this book regards Vegetarians over long periods of

time, who may become weak and deficient and develop conditions such as

chronic fatigue syndrom, immune weakness.  He experienced weak knees

and lower back, tiredness and feelings of spaciness.  He resolved his

problem (after a lot of soul searching)  by eating fish a few times a

week.



Some Vegetarians do not experience these problems and those that do

may want to experiment with medicinal does of animal protein to see if

improvement can result.



High on his list of dietary suggestions are cole vegies and green

leafy vegies such as bok choy, chard, dandlion greens, mustard greens,

parsley, mallow, yellow dock, sheep sorrel, plantain, sow thistle,

nettle, chicory.



Basic dietary suggestions include:  small amounts of protein 25 to 60

grams a day (there are 454 grams in a pound) , eat sulfur containing

foods which are potent enzyme builders (cabbage, brussel sprouts,

brocooli, nuts, seeds., avoid saturated fats and use unsaturated fats

stored in the refrigerator to avoid oxidation,  vitamins C, E, A,

minerals zinc and selenium, amino acids methionine, glutathione,

cysteine and antioxidants such as catechin, quercetin, rutin,

kaempferol, luteolin. ( since this book many more anitioxidants have

been discovered),  Refined sugar will reduce enzyme activity (eat

whole grains, maple sugar, fruits, barley malt, and rice sugar,

Phosphtidyl choline, a constiuent of lecithim which is found in

soybean products and egg yolks.



The book is rich in information and ideas on how to maintain our

livers health.



I notice that when I follow these prescriptions I feel inner calm and

joy and when I stray, depression, a quick reactive temper and aniety

can creep into my everyday experience. Brown rice and vegies usually

bring me back to balance quickly.



wishing you all good health,



caryn





continuing Chritopher Hobbs on Liver  & Digestive Herbal



Astringents:  An agent that increases nerve and muscle tone, drying,

remover moisture, can reduce bacteria, yeast or viral overgrowth



Herbs:  Oak bark, twigs and galls (oak apples)

blackberry root

black walnut



Bitters:  stimulating, tonifying nerve supply to digestive organs,

increases the flow of secretions and enzymes.



dandelion

mugwort

wormwood

gentian

cascara sagarada

bitter orange peel

unripe apples

unripe pears



Demulcent:  colling soothing relaxing



marshmallow root

slippery elm bark

flax seed

almond seed

barley



Anti spamsodics:  regulate chi and remove cogestion



wild yam

chamomille

yarrow

passion flower

Calfironia poppy

fennel

peppermint



Anti-inflamatory   heat clearing



chamomile

licorice

Oregon grape

golden seal

plantain

fenugreek

feverfew

meadowsweet

willow bark

poplar buds



Aromatics and Carmitives   cool interior and warm surface, such as

mucous membranes, smooth flow of chi, help release gas, relax

sphicnters, increase bowel peristalsis



peppermint

spearmint

fennel

caraway

dill

sage

lemon peel

orange peel

cardamom



Laxatives   Stimulate and regulate the bowels, ususally when there is

a lack of bowel tone, or constipation.  Herbs with a very mild

laxative effect are called bowel tonics and very strong laxatives are

called purgatives.



*I note, please be careful not to incur bowel dependency



rhubarb

cascara sagrada

aloe

senna

buckthorn



Other Herb Actions for the Liver



Cleansers:



Burdock

Dandelion Root

Yellow Dock

Blue Flag

Oregon Grape



Builders



Artichoke

milk thistle

butternut

oat



Cool Liver Fire



Gentian

Dandelion



Protectors



Milk thistle

garlic

schisanddra

bupleurum



Antioxidants



rosemary

lemon balm

saffron

tumeric



Warm Stagnat Liver



prickly ash

ginger



***This is a book you will find very helpful with recipes and other

charts.



Check out Botanica Press, Capitola CA.



**nci**





wishing you all good health,



caryn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Soy/Estrogen

From: Robin Dorey Deerfield Academy-library <rdorey@K12.OIT.UMASS.EDU>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:11:26 -0500

--------

Hi,



I promised to ask this question for a friend of mine.  If it is off topic,

please email me privately.  My friend's three children have been brought up

strickly on soy milk.  He is wondering if there are any studies or

documentation as to the effects of soy with its natural estrogen on young

male children.  Since it is an hormonal effect, he is concerned for his son.

Does anyone know of any studies on this?  Thanks for your help.  Robin Dorey?







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Soy/Estrogen

From: Tsugu/karyn <tfkg@PACBELL.NET>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:37:58 -0800

--------

Robin Dorey Deerfield Academy-library wrote:



>   My friend's three children have been brought up

> strickly on soy milk.  He is wondering if there are any studies or

> documentation as to the effects of soy with its natural estrogen on young

> male children.  Since it is an hormonal effect, he is concerned for his son.

>



  Hi, everyone!

I just wanted to mention that soy products, wild yams, and an assortment of other

foods contain phytoestrogens, which form weak bonds to estrogen receptors in the

body.  I would worry not at all about this as Asians have been consuming mass

quantities of soy for centuries with no ill effects.  I am not sure how the body,

male or female, handles this, but I know that post-menopausal women find the use

of these products promising.  My question: although the amount of estrogen in the

body declines, do the  the estrogen receptors remain?  Just my 2 cents :-)

Peace and good health to you all

karyn







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Soy/Estrogen

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:18:06 -0500

--------

Phytoestrogens are not estrogens.  In fact they bind to the estrogen

receptors so that estrogens and xenoestrogens (from pesticides, plastics,

pollutants and chemical sources) do not bind to those sites.  Many

estrogens (estrogen is not a single hormone- there are over 100 kinds of

estrogen receptor sites) are carcinogenic later in life and the body

naturally reduces their production at a time when a woman is more

vulnerable.  So the so-called phytoestrogens bind to the sites and offer

protection.



Most beans and chickweek contain genistein, daidzein, glycitein and other

isoflavones which block the estrogen receptors.  If you are using them as

whole foods in your diet and not taking concentrated supplements you are

unlikely to have problems with interference in normal hormone levels.  It

may be possible to monkey around with proper endocrine production if you

use the foods or isolates in an unbalanced way.



One thing worth emphasizing is how similar the chemical structures of

estrogen, progesterone and testosterone are.   And males and females have

each of them, but in different proportions. The dogma is that they elicit

such different physiological effects, but the fact is that they have some

overlap in activities because the cell receptors have a limit in how

specific they are.  Possibly - this is total speculation- they bind to

testosteron-receptors as well, preventing excessive testosterone in the

body which is also not desirable.



Anyway, phytoestrogens are not estrogenic and will not hurt men and boys,

all of whom have self-produced estrogens in their bodies anyway and

probably xenoestrogens as well.  It is not the same thing as eating

chickens with high animal estrogenic supplements in their diets- that has

caused unusual breast development in boys and very young girls in places

like Puerto Rico where the hormones in chicken feed were less-regulated.



Soymilk can have other consequences if it is not balanced in the diet (it

is not a direct substitute for milk.)  It has less calcium, so more

mineral-rich greens are needed. Its lower protein means that the diet

must be otherwise balanced,if the diet isn't already protein-heavy.  And

in a vegan (but not lacto-ovo vegetarian or omnivorous diet) the

unfermented soy phytates can bind bone minerals.



And it can be very useful and delicious if it is used in a balanced diet.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 07:37:58 -0800 Tsugu/karyn <tfkg@PACBELL.NET> writes:

>Robin Dorey Deerfield Academy-library wrote:

>

>>   My friend's three children have been brought up

>> strickly on soy milk.  He is wondering if there are any studies or

>> documentation as to the effects of soy with its natural estrogen on

>young

>> male children.  Since it is an hormonal effect, he is concerned for

>his son.

>>

>

>  Hi, everyone!

>I just wanted to mention that soy products, wild yams, and an

>assortment of other

>foods contain phytoestrogens, which form weak bonds to estrogen

>receptors in the

>body.  I would worry not at all about this as Asians have been

>consuming mass

>quantities of soy for centuries with no ill effects.  I am not sure

>how the body,

>male or female, handles this, but I know that post-menopausal women

>find the use

>of these products promising.  My question: although the amount of

>estrogen in the

>body declines, do the  the estrogen receptors remain?  Just my 2 cents

>:-)

>Peace and good health to you all

>karyn

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Soy/Estrogen

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:14:37 EST

--------

While its true that phytoestrogens bind to estrogen receptors and block the

effects of natural estrogen, I don't think its safe to say that phytoestrogens

lack estrogenic effects. They are called "phytoestrogens" aren't they and not

"phyto-antiestrogens" ?



Lets review some pharmacology principles. Naloxone is a pure opiate antagonist

that blocks the effects of morphine and is used as an antidote in narcotic

(opiate) overdose situations. Pharmacologically, naloxone is called an

"antagonist" while morphine is called an "agonist". Nalorphine and

levallorphan, on the other hand, were "partial agonists" used as antagonists

until naloxine came along. They blocked the effects of opiate agonists, yet

had weak opiate effects of their own. Buprenorphine is a partial agonist that

has opiate activity and is used for the relief of pain. It also blocks opiate

agonists and has been used as an antagonist to reverse fentanyl (a short-

acting narcotic)-induced anesthesia. In fact, burprenorpine and pentazocine

(Talwin, another partial agonist) may precipitate a withdrawal reaction if

given to an opiate-dependent individual.



Well lets get back to phytoestrogens. Are they estrogen antagonists or are

they partial agonists? Everything I know about them suggests the latter not

the former. We all know they block naturally occurring estrogen, but can you

say they have absolutely no estrogen activity of their own?



I don't have the studies infront of me, but I'll try to gather one or two that

demonstrate estrogenic activity. The study I cited previously (Setchell KDR.

Lancet July 5th, pg23-27) has references noting that phytoestogens have both

hormonal and non-hormonal effects. They go on to say that can explain how a

diet "containing a bioactive oestogen may prevent hormone-dependent diseases,

including cancer, osteoporosis, and cardiovascular disease."



We're all in agreement that soy is a healthy food ...for adults, especially

women. We are not in agreement that soy has absolutely no estrogen activity

any more than buprenorphine has no opiate activity, even though it blocks

opiate receptors, and we are not in agreement that soy can have absolutely no

effect on infants. If there is even a weak estrogenic effect, don't forget

that infants are developing their bodies. Psychologists tell us that by the

time a child is (I think) 2 or 3 years old, their personality has already

formed. Well I think that's pretty scarry if you start adding things that may

affect their development such as with a hormone-like substance.



Now I don't claim to have proven my case. If I had, I'd be on the Opra show

right now  (and I suppose I could get sued by the baby formula industry like

Opra did with the cattle people <grin>). The information at this point is only

suggestive at best. My point here is that soy-based products for infants (not

for adults now) should be at least a concern for anyone who thinks "natural"

is better.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



<<

 Phytoestrogens are not estrogens.  In fact they bind to the estrogen

 receptors so that estrogens and xenoestrogens (from pesticides, plastics,

 pollutants and chemical sources) do not bind to those sites.  Many

 estrogens (estrogen is not a single hormone- there are over 100 kinds of

 estrogen receptor sites) are carcinogenic later in life and the body

 naturally reduces their production at a time when a woman is more

 vulnerable.  So the so-called phytoestrogens bind to the sites and offer

 protection.



 Most beans and chickweek contain genistein, daidzein, glycitein and other

 isoflavones which block the estrogen receptors.  If you are using them as

 whole foods in your diet and not taking concentrated supplements you are

 unlikely to have problems with interference in normal hormone levels.  It

 may be possible to monkey around with proper endocrine production if you

 use the foods or isolates in an unbalanced way.



 One thing worth emphasizing is how similar the chemical structures of

 estrogen, progesterone and testosterone are.   And males and females have

 each of them, but in different proportions. The dogma is that they elicit

 such different physiological effects, but the fact is that they have some

 overlap in activities because the cell receptors have a limit in how

 specific they are.  Possibly - this is total speculation- they bind to

 testosteron-receptors as well, preventing excessive testosterone in the

 body which is also not desirable.



 Anyway, phytoestrogens are not estrogenic and will not hurt men and boys,

 all of whom have self-produced estrogens in their bodies anyway and

 probably xenoestrogens as well.  It is not the same thing as eating

 chickens with high animal estrogenic supplements in their diets- that has

 caused unusual breast development in boys and very young girls in places

 like Puerto Rico where the hormones in chicken feed were less-regulated.

  >>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Soy/Estrogen

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 01:09:55 -0500

--------

Elliot-



Is soy formula any more hormonal than milk derivatives in infant

formulas?  I'd think milk would be a hormonal food par excellence which

may be one (not the only) reason many people have trouble with it.  A

mild estrogenic activity from bean sources is not the same as a direct

hormonal estrogen response (as in the chicken feed example.)  I'd go so

far as to speculate that with all those estrogen receptor sites, we were

supposed to use a fair number of them with phytoestrogens which have been

in the diet throughout evolution.



Now I don't advocate using either cows milk or soy formula for an infant

under a year, except as an occasional food  after 8 months.  I did wean

my children to soy formula because we had allergies in the family , but

at 1 1/2 and 2 1/2 years.  One stayed with soy and the other asserted a

preference for dairy, in both cases reflecting constitutional priorities.

 But beans, bean milks and gruels and isoflavone-containing greens are

not unusual traditional foods, which probably have little unusual effect

in a balanced diet.



(The name phytoestrogen is itself controversial as you are doubtless

aware.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 23:14:37 EST Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM> writes:

>While its true that phytoestrogens bind to estrogen receptors and

>block the

>effects of natural estrogen, I don't think its safe to say that

>phytoestrogens

>lack estrogenic effects. They are called "phytoestrogens" aren't they

>and not

>"phyto-antiestrogens" ?

>

>Lets review some pharmacology principles. Naloxone is a pure opiate

>antagonist

>that blocks the effects of morphine and is used as an antidote in

>narcotic

>(opiate) overdose situations. Pharmacologically, naloxone is called an

>"antagonist" while morphine is called an "agonist". Nalorphine and

>levallorphan, on the other hand, were "partial agonists" used as

>antagonists

>until naloxine came along. They blocked the effects of opiate

>agonists, yet

>had weak opiate effects of their own. Buprenorphine is a partial

>agonist that

>has opiate activity and is used for the relief of pain. It also blocks

>opiate

>agonists and has been used as an antagonist to reverse fentanyl (a

>short-

>acting narcotic)-induced anesthesia. In fact, burprenorpine and

>pentazocine

>(Talwin, another partial agonist) may precipitate a withdrawal

>reaction if

>given to an opiate-dependent individual.

>

>Well lets get back to phytoestrogens. Are they estrogen antagonists or

>are

>they partial agonists? Everything I know about them suggests the

>latter not

>the former. We all know they block naturally occurring estrogen, but

>can you

>say they have absolutely no estrogen activity of their own?

>

>I don't have the studies infront of me, but I'll try to gather one or

>two that

>demonstrate estrogenic activity. The study I cited previously

>(Setchell KDR.

>Lancet July 5th, pg23-27) has references noting that phytoestogens

>have both

>hormonal and non-hormonal effects. They go on to say that can explain

>how a

>diet "containing a bioactive oestogen may prevent hormone-dependent

>diseases,

>including cancer, osteoporosis, and cardiovascular disease."

>

>We're all in agreement that soy is a healthy food ...for adults,

>especially

>women. We are not in agreement that soy has absolutely no estrogen

>activity

>any more than buprenorphine has no opiate activity, even though it

>blocks

>opiate receptors, and we are not in agreement that soy can have

>absolutely no

>effect on infants. If there is even a weak estrogenic effect, don't

>forget

>that infants are developing their bodies. Psychologists tell us that

>by the

>time a child is (I think) 2 or 3 years old, their personality has

>already

>formed. Well I think that's pretty scarry if you start adding things

>that may

>affect their development such as with a hormone-like substance.

>

>Now I don't claim to have proven my case. If I had, I'd be on the Opra

>show

>right now  (and I suppose I could get sued by the baby formula

>industry like

>Opra did with the cattle people <grin>). The information at this point

>is only

>suggestive at best. My point here is that soy-based products for

>infants (not

>for adults now) should be at least a concern for anyone who thinks

>"natural"

>is better.

>

>

>Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

>Midwest Shared Newsletter

>Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists

>

><<

> Phytoestrogens are not estrogens.  In fact they bind to the estrogen

> receptors so that estrogens and xenoestrogens (from pesticides,

>plastics,

> pollutants and chemical sources) do not bind to those sites.  Many

> estrogens (estrogen is not a single hormone- there are over 100 kinds

>of

> estrogen receptor sites) are carcinogenic later in life and the body

> naturally reduces their production at a time when a woman is more

> vulnerable.  So the so-called phytoestrogens bind to the sites and

>offer

> protection.

>

> Most beans and chickweek contain genistein, daidzein, glycitein and

>other

> isoflavones which block the estrogen receptors.  If you are using

>them as

> whole foods in your diet and not taking concentrated supplements you

>are

> unlikely to have problems with interference in normal hormone levels.

> It

> may be possible to monkey around with proper endocrine production if

>you

> use the foods or isolates in an unbalanced way.

>

> One thing worth emphasizing is how similar the chemical structures of

> estrogen, progesterone and testosterone are.   And males and females

>have

> each of them, but in different proportions. The dogma is that they

>elicit

> such different physiological effects, but the fact is that they have

>some

> overlap in activities because the cell receptors have a limit in how

> specific they are.  Possibly - this is total speculation- they bind

>to

> testosteron-receptors as well, preventing excessive testosterone in

>the

> body which is also not desirable.

>

> Anyway, phytoestrogens are not estrogenic and will not hurt men and

>boys,

> all of whom have self-produced estrogens in their bodies anyway and

> probably xenoestrogens as well.  It is not the same thing as eating

> chickens with high animal estrogenic supplements in their diets- that

>has

> caused unusual breast development in boys and very young girls in

>places

> like Puerto Rico where the hormones in chicken feed were

>less-regulated.

>  >>

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help: BuckWheat Hulls and Society Garlic

From: Lady Mystique <mystique@MIDWEST.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 17:14:59 PST

--------

Where, can I get/purchase Buckwheat Hulls?



And also, I need information on Society Garlic!



Thanks!



Polly, of Wood's Edge







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

From: Pat Yost <marlidog@FLASH.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 19:15:17 -0600

--------

 can anyone give me a poltice or salve of some kind for eczema on the

eyelids?







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Onion syrup

From: Renee Robertie <Augustpr@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:50:37 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-17 13:41:54 EST, you write:



> Onion syrup was commonly used to treat children's

>  colds.



I find onion syrup works wonders. Does anyone on the list heat the onion and

sugar to draw out more and stronger syrup? I thought I remembered my

grandmother doing that, but can't find anything in my books on it.



BTW: I just joined the list and am enjoying it very much.



Renee Robertie

augustpr@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Onion syrup

From: Peter Gail <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:19:32 EST

--------

You ask if anyone heats the onion to make syrup.  While they don't call it

"syrup", as such, the Amish use it that way.  Emma Byler, in the book "Plain

and Happy Living: Amish Recipes and Remedies (Goosefoot Acres Press) says, on

page 91, "To stop a hacking cough, you sliced an onion, sprinkled a little

sugar over it, put it where it was warm and let the juices ooze out. Then you

would put one or two drops of ooze on some sugar and place it in the mouth. It

stopped the cough, but wasn't too popular with the children."  They also made

onion plasters by cooking the onions in goose grease or olive oil in a pan on

the stove, and then putting "all this in a muslin bag on the persons chest.

THis would cause a sweat and pull our the croup. It smelled awful, but it did

the trick."



Peter Gail, Ph.D. Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box

18016, Cleveland, OH 44118.  Publisher of books by Old Order Amish authors,

and author/publisher of books on edible wild plants.  (216)932-2145







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Onion syrup

From: M J Hampstead <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:30:28 EST

--------

My Polish grandmother did, I remember oh so well, both the preparation and the

taking of same.

MJH







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Onion syrup

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 10:02:40 -0500

--------

On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 09:30:28 EST M J Hampstead <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

writes:



>My Polish grandmother did, I remember oh so well, both the preparation

>and the taking of same.

>MJH

>



I make mine by layering slices of onion and succanat (raw cane sugar)

until the juices are drawn out of the onion, then discarding the onion

(which I use for soup).



How did your grandmother make hers?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Oregon Grape trivia

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 21:02:20 -0700

--------

As long as we are discussing Oregon Grape, I thought I would add  another

bit of trivia...

The white coating on the seeds is "environmental yeast", usable for bread

dough Source: Survival-A guide

The same yeast can be found on Juniper berries and Aspen bark.

margo.



margo@gemstate.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Raining Again

From: Robert Dell <bobdell@GISCO.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Feb 1998 23:15:30 -0800

--------

TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM> wrote:



> Well,  here I am, living in Paradise (Santa Barbara, CA) and I 'm feeling VERY waterlogged.

> Can someone PLEASE prescribe some herbs to dry up this El Nino?



Suggest you plant some 1/2" poly pipe around borders of your beds and

cover with 6 mil poly sheet.

When I lived in Sta. Barb. the only time I saw sun was after 2 or 3 PM

and the month of October :)

Recommend highly going to Sta. Barb. Winery on Sterns Wharf and sample

wine until June :)

Bob







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Raining Again

From: "Herban' Spice" <herbanspice@IDYLLWILD.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:59:01 -0800

--------

If they are in pots, can't you move them under the eaves or into the

garage, or perhaps indoors?  I live in the San Jacinto Mtns of So. CA

(above Palm Springs), we are at 5700 feet, and our potted stuff comes

indoors or under the eaves during the wet and snowy weather.  Most do ok,

and are joyful when spring arrives, but they make it through.



Unfortunately, Mother Nature has control of El Nino, and I'm thinking it's

just going to have to run it's course.  Next year, we'll probably be

complaining of drought.



Silver Sage

herbanspice@idyllwild.com



Dances with Herbs - Organic & wild harvested herbs

http://www.herbanspice.com



Silver Sage: The Outrageous Herb Lady - Questions about herbs?

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Estrogen in Soy milk

From: "William J. Pizer" <Wjp1816@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 03:36:15 EST

--------

Robin,



I wouldn't worry about the amount of estroen in soy milk.  I don't believe

that there

is enough and is of sufficient quantity to make a difference, as an example

just

think about all the Chinese, Japanese and other Far Easteners who drink and

eat

soy products.



I believe that the benefits of soy products far outway using bovine milk

products.



What I do worry about is the amount of chemicals sprayed on our food.  Most

pesticides are estrogenic in composition.





          Bill Pizer







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Estrogen in Soy milk

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 00:45:47 -0800

--------

Bill:



Nice try, but incorrect answer.



The real answer is:



There is NO ESTROGEN in Soy.



None.  Not a BIT. ZERO.



Estrogen is an animal hormone. Plants do not make it.



Compound that by adding the rationale that EVEN IF there WAS estrogen...

the act of ingesting it and letting it run through your digestive tract

will rip that protein asunder. Breaking one chemical bond in a hormone is

sufficient to prevent it from doing what its supposed to be doing (good or

bad).



- Tera (who probably should have gone to bed over an hour ago and does

apologize if this note sounds terse)



-----Original Message-----

From:   William J. Pizer [SMTP:Wjp1816@AOL.COM]

Sent:   Wednesday, February 18, 1998 12:36 AM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Estrogen in Soy milk



Robin,



I wouldn't worry about the amount of estroen in soy milk.  I don't believe

that there

is enough and is of sufficient quantity to make a difference, as an example

just

think about all the Chinese, Japanese and other Far Easteners who drink and

eat

soy products.



I believe that the benefits of soy products far outway using bovine milk

products.



What I do worry about is the amount of chemicals sprayed on our food.  Most

pesticides are estrogenic in composition.





          Bill Pizer







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: hight blood pressure medication alternatives

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 15:07:46 -0600

--------

My father-in-law had a cholestral count of 275. He is not taking his

Zotor (i think it is) because it costs $90 per month.  He is taking

garlic pills.  I have told him exercise might help. Fresh garlic?

Should he take black cohosh and hawthorn berries and look at his

diet?  I am looking at a much earlier post on hbp. What is important

in his diet? I doubt he will even set foot in a health food store so

forget going to such doctors and acupuncturists. He will probably say

he cannot afford it. He is talking about exercise but he has been

talking about exercise for about 2 years now. I would appreciate

your help.

Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: hight blood pressure medication alternatives

From: Diana Winters <Stellapr@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 17:16:36 EST

--------

I exercise an hour a day, take hawthorne berry, garlic, cayenne pepper,

dandelion root, have a natural vegetarian diet.  Drink lots of distilled

water.  My weight is good, cholesterol is good.  BUT I still have High Blood

Pressure even after all this.   I only work 2 1/2 days a week and have learned

to manage stress quite well.



Anyway my doctor told me it is GENETIC and there is nothing I can do.  My

mother, father, brother, sister, grandmother, etc all had HBP.  Anyway I gave

it a try and failed so I am back on pills.  The Doctor said I should never let

my Blood pressure get above 130/80 as it will damage the cardiovascular system

and I could be prone to a stroke or heart attack.



With the pills my BP is very low.   IS THERE SOMETHING ELSE I COULD DO?



Diane







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: eczema

From: Pat Yost <marlidog@FLASH.NET>

Date: Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:33:11 -0600

--------

 I have stress related eczema on my eyelids is there a salve or poltice for

such a malady?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: eczema

From: Lory Ann Smith <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 09:30:32 EST

--------

Try making a salve w/olive oil, beeswax, Oregon grape root, & myrrh eo - works

well for most cases of dermatitis.    Lory



Lory2x2@aol.com

 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/lory2x2/">Lory's Herb Page</A>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: off-topic reply to   Re: Hello and Questions

From: "User Linda C." <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 00:04:32 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-15 15:11:27 EST, you write:



<<

 as a caveat, these are suggestions, and working with a personal heatlh

 professional at this time would be best.

  >>

I strongly agree with this suggestion. Make an appointment with a licensed

nutritionist or dietitian. She/he can work out a food plan that will  take

into account your Celiac disease and your vegetarianism. The ADA has accepted

vegetarianism as a healthy alternative diet. Just make sure you find one who

is not a hold-out to the old "gotta have meat to be healthy"  school of

thought. Psychiatrists, like medical doctors, get little to no education in

nutrition. I'm sure you can stick with your ethical and compassionate original

choice to be free of dead animals in your diet.

"Humans aren't the only beings on Earth, they just think they are!"

Luvlylin@AOL.COM







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ma Huang Abuse and Mass Emails

From: Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 14:08:17 -0000

--------

From: Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

Subject: Ma Huang Abuse and Mass Emails





>To the list, I know Ive posted more times than I ought to about Ma Huang,

>but this morning I got a commercial emailing and I just need to vent.

>Anyway, having enough I called the message service ....>

>The answer I received in my voicemail in return was an offer to send me

>more  of *her* information on Ma Huang )*

>

>What do these people NOT get about abusing these herbs?

I guess I just dont want to see a handful of

>greedy and/or uninformed folks ruin it for everyone.

>

>What can we do, or better still, what can I do in order to help to educate

>those entrepreneurial types who either are uniformed or just simply dont

>care that what they are doing is contributing to the problem of very

>probably increased legislation because of not exercising common sense?

>>Christina Paul

>

>sekhmet@netins.net





Christina (et. al.)



Welcome to the "American Free Market Economy" concept!  What's that old

rube?  Something about "wake up and smell the coffee"??  Just keep in mind

that "1/2 the people you know and/or deal with are below average!"  (by

definition!!)  I don't mean to be a wet blanket here, but the fact is, a lot

of folks (at least 1/2????)  are gullible and uninformed...are you REALLY

surprised that someone is willing to take a shot at capitalizing on this

fact?  What can you (we?) do??  Just keep plugging away... starting with our

friends, neighbors, and aquaintances... one at a time.  What we DON'T need

is "new" legislation!!

And, as long as there exists a market for this kind of thing, there will be

the pressure for the legislation.  Ergo, it behooves each and every one of

us, no matter where we are located, to quietly inform those folks we know of

the "truth" (whatever that ultimately is) and to help spread the word about

the uses (and abuses) of herbs and herbal preparations.  But, you know.....

the interesting thing here is that, by and large, "natural" IS safe...if

utilized in "moderation" (definition needed??)... and that the healing

effects of natural herbs is, again, by and large, not only REAL but

effective!  Perhaps this is what worries the FDA/Pharmaceuts??



Just a 2 cents/worth observation... (inflation factored-in!)



Whew!

Peace....

Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ma Huang Abuse and Mass Emails

From: Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 11:35:37 -0600

--------

To the list, I know Ive posted more times than I ought to about Ma Huang,

but this morning I got a commercial emailing and I just need to vent.

There are numerous products that use mass emailers, and each of these

products push these so-called 'metabolism booster' herbs such as Guarana,

Licorice Root, Ma Huang, Chickweed.



Anyway, having enough I called the message service of one of these

spam-email offenders and asked a few questions, such as "are you aware that

Ma Huang faces increased legislation by the FDA?"  "Are you aware of the

side effects and potential health risks of keeping your 'metabolism

boosted' for the extended periods of time if you are someone who does not

have asthma or other bronchial condition, for example?"



The answer I received in my voicemail in return was an offer to send me

more  of *her* information on Ma Huang (just what I need!) to tell me just

how oh-so-safe it is for anyone to use, testimonials of satified customers,

weight loss etc.  and then went on to how she too lost 35 pounds now for

the last year. Yada yada yada.... Well YES...of course if you stretch and

enhance your metabolism for increased periods of time with a speed-like

substance, natural or not, you will inevitably loose weight. It will not,

no matter what your product claims 'burn fat'. And it  does not mean its

SAFE to lose that way for everyone! *(sigh)*



What do these people NOT get about abusing these herbs?   For myself there

is no other substitute for Chinese Ephedra, the next stop for me is

pharmaceuticals.  I dont WANT to be back on Theodur (NCI) it makes me moody

as heck. Ive changed my lifestyle and diet so that I dont have to be on the

synthetic maintenance drugs.  I guess I just dont want to see a handful of

greedy and/or uninformed folks ruin it for everyone.



What can we do, or better still, what can I do in order to help to educate

those entrepreneurial types who either are uniformed or just simply dont

care that what they are doing is contributing to the problem of very

probably increased legislation because of not exercising common sense?



Thanks for listening, and thank you in advance for any suggestions.  they

are greatly appreciated.





Christina Paul



sekhmet@netins.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Soyfoods/Estrogen

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@ERINET.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 07:45:20 -0800

--------

For those interested in this current thread, try:



http://spectre.ag.uiuc.edu/archives/experts/health/1998/



http://www.soyfoods.com/



Soyfoods do contain weak plant estrogens (phytoestrogens) that help many

women with menopausal symptoms. There some info and lots of studies

going on that seems to suggest that soy protein can help protect against

cancer.



Ilene







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cherie Capps' number

From: Ela Heyn <Ela_Heyn@NOTES.PW.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 12:51:44 EST

--------

As promised, here is the number to reach Cherie Capps (who runs the Center

for Herbal Studies correspondence program):  541-484-6708.  Her email

address is herbs@ordata.com.



I have no commercial interest in her program; I'm just a satisfied

student!



- Ela







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tannins

From: John Goude <nature@EEE.ORG>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 10:03:11 -0800

--------

Mike & Linda Shipley wrote:



> Good question.I had to look it up in the dictionary. Tannin is the same

> as tannic acid, which is a yellowish, astringent substance, C14H10 09,

> derived from oak bark, gallnuts, etc. and used in tanning medicine, etc.

> 2. any of a number of similar substances.  Well, that does not tell me

> a whole lot. The only other place I have heard mention tannin is in

> a comedy with Robin Williams. What I read in my herbal book by Michael

> Tierra is that tannins could lead to esophageal cancer or some such

> thing.  I guess drinking monumental amounts of those herbs that contain

> tannin going down the throat is the deal with that. Don't quote me.

> If anyone such as Karen V. or Anita H. would care to respond, please do.

> I would really like some feedback on this subject. It probably would

> takes truckloads of the peppermint to cause cancer, if and when it

> might. Thanks for your input.

> Linda

> "It's a beautiful morning,...   ahhhh"

> The peace of Jesus be with you.



Tannin is a known diuretic and constipator.  If anyone continues to take

toxic levels of it their digestive track may shut down completely.  Usually

toxic levels are bitter.  Acorns and olives have very high levels of tannin

in the unprocessed state.  See my page on acorn processing.

http://www.eee.org/bus/nature/month/oak.htm



Many other plants have some tannin also.

--

<>< John Goude ><>            ham: KE6VUB



Yucaipa, CA 92399-5605

e-mail: nature@eee.org

http://www.eee.org/bus/nature

http://www.eee.org/bus/nature/mtmisery.htm







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herbs w & w/o food

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Feb 1998 16:02:16 -0700

--------

Which herbs MUST be taken with food- and why?

margo

margo@gemstate.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Medicine Cupboard

From: "Dresner, Richard R" <rrd91663@GLAXOWELLCOME.CO.UK>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 15:59:01 -0000

--------

Hi herbivores :))



That's it. You lot have converted me to herbalism!



I'm chucking out all my old *conventional* medecines and I'm just about to

invest in a whole lotta herbal stuff for my medicine cupboard.  I wanted to

know if you agree with my choice of products. Here they are:



Calendula Lotion

Arnica Ointment

Comfrey Oil

Aloe Vera Gel

Tea Tree Lotion

Dr. Bach's Rescue Remedy

Avena Sativa Complex



This is just a *minimum* to start off with. I'll add more items to it

progressively.



Eternally grateful



Rick Dresner

rrd91663@ggr.co.uk







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Medicine Cupboard

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 17:03:01 -0700

--------

I think I would add a good echinecia tincture. When you are most needing

it, it is often too late to go buy it.  It is also a good preventative when

you have been exposed to flu/illness.

margo

----------

 > I'm chucking out all my old *conventional* medecines and I'm just about

to

> invest in a whole lotta herbal stuff for my medicine cupboard.  I wanted

to

> know if you agree with my choice of products. Here they are:

> > Calendula Lotion

> Arnica Ointment

> Comfrey Oil

> Aloe Vera Gel

> Tea Tree Lotion

> Dr. Bach's Rescue Remedy

> Avena Sativa Complex







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: request

From: Petia Peneva <Petia63@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:56:18 EST

--------

Hi

   I'm interesting about a cure for tyroid gland diseases on herbs' bases.

                                                      Thank you for your time!



Petia



Petia63@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: request

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 06:36:25 GMT

--------

On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 13:56:18 EST, Petia Peneva <Petia63@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Hi

>   I'm interesting about a cure for tyroid gland diseases on herbs' bases.



The question is far too broad: hypo/hyper?

With too little detail: how far gone? Given prescription meds?

But the MAIN issue is, 'tis not the kind of question best asked (or answered)

over an email list. Get thee to a practitioner. There's lots of them out there -

here's my list of suggestions:



You can contact the American Association of Naturopathic Physicians

referral line at: 206 - 323 7610

2366 Eastlake Avenue, Suite 322

Seattle, WA  98102

or check out the searchable database on the AANP's Home Page at:

http://infinity.dorsai.org/Naturopathic.Physician/



The American Holistic Medical Association will also provide you with a list of

practitioners in your area who may use complimentary therapies. Send them a

self-addressed stamped envelope with a note indicating your area to:

American Holistic Medical Association,

4101 Lake Boone Trail,  Suite 201, Raleigh, NC 27607, (919) 787-5146.

They're on the web at: http://www.ahmaholistic.com/index.html



The American Association of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine is there, too:

4101 Lake Boone Trail, Suite 201, Raleigh, NC  27607, (919) 787-5181

but I've found no web address.



The Holistic Health Directory is on the web at: http://www.naturallink.com/

This directory includes all the states and will search for your

request on many medical holistic service providers.



AMR'TA has compiled a comprehensive list of Alternative Health Association

Links: http://www.teleport.com/~amrta/medical.html



And then there's the American Herbalists Guild, on the web at:

http://www.healthy.com/herbalists/

PO Box 1683, Soquel, CA 95073.



Good luck!

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: need help to create a herb database

From: Mark Hoemann <mhoemann@RZ.UNI-OSNABRUECK.DE>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 21:55:15 +0100

--------

Hello,

First of all: Sorry for my bad english.



I want to create a database of literature, pictures and so on of this

genuses and its varieties of the labiatae:



Agastache (Giant hyssop)

Dracocephalum (dragonhead)

Monarda (Beebalm, wild Bergamot)

Nepeta (Catmint)

Lallemantia



I am looking for Reviews in Journals , books, Internet..... for

identification-keys, botany, medicinal use, history, distribution, chemical

components and so on.  At least I want bring the information into a database

so you can find special informations of this plants. (clearer: you can find

in which journal, book etc. the information is)



At the Moment I found 388 Hints from all over the world. I use Excel at the

moment but want to create a database in Access (I want to get this Software

the weeks. In Future I want take the database to the net so that interested

people have the ability to download it.





If you want you can help me:



If you have one or some of the books and journals (they are listed at the

End of this mail) you could look in the index and search if there is

something written about the plants Im looking for.

You could send me what kind of informations there are and which pages the

informations include. If you have an scanner maybe you could send me the text???





Thank you very much

Best regards



Mark Hoemann 

(Germany)





Here is the list (The titles are not available in German libraries):







Medicinal Plants of Iran                                        1983    Tehran, Iran    Tehran University Press pp 563 



Ocena przydatnosci roznych sposobow i terminov rozmnazania bylin w produkeji

szkolkarskiej. Czesc I. [Evaluation of different methods and dates of

perennial plant propagation in the nursery Part I. Generative propagation]

Prace Instytutu Sadownictwa i Kwiaciarstwa w Skierniewicach, B (Rosliny

Ozdobne)                        10      1985    Lublin, Polen           pp 15-28



Lakota Names and Traditional Uses of Native Plants by Sicangu (Brule) People

in the Rosebud Area, South Dakota.                                      1980    St. Francis     SD. Rosebud

Educational Scoiety	



Ethnobotany of the Okanagan-Colville Indians of British Columbia and

Washington                                      1980    Victoria.        British Columbia Provincial Museum	





Wooton, E.O., Standley, P.C.    Description of new Plants preliminary to a

report upon the Flora of New Mexico     Contr. U.S. Natl. Herb.                 vol 16  1913

pp 109-196



Grinnell, Bird, G.      Some Cheyenne Plant Medicines   American Anthropologist

vol 7   1905                    37-43 



Densmore, Frances       Uses of Plants by the Chippewa Indians  SI-BAE Annual

Report                  #44     1928                    273-379



Gilmore, Melvin R.      Uses of Plants by the Indians of the Missouri River

Region  SI-BAE Annual Report                    #33     1919            	



Castetter, Edward F.    Ethnobiological Studies in the American Southwest I.

Uncultivated Native Plants Used as Sources of Food      University of New Mexico

Bulletin                         4(1)   1935                    1-44



Smith, Huron H. Ethnobotany of the Meskwaki Indians     Bulletin of the Public

Museum of the City of Milwaukee                 4       1928                    175-326



Barrett, S. A., Gifford, E.W.   Miwok Material Culture  Bulletin of the Public

Museum of the City of Milwaukee                 2 (4)   1933                    11



Train, P., James R.H., Archer, W.A.     Medicinal Uses of Plants by Indian

Tribes of Nevada                                        1941     Washington DC  U.S. Department of Agriculture	



Tantaquidgeon, Gladys   A Study of Delaware Indian Medicine Practice and Folk

Beliefs Pennsylvania Historical Commission                      (31, 82)        1942    Harrisburg      	



Reagan, Albert B.       Plants Used by the Hoh and Quileute Indians     Kansas Academy

of Science                      37      1936                    55-70



Rousseau, Jacques       Le Folklore Botanique De Caughnawaga    Contributions de

l'Institut botanique l'Universite de Montreal                   55      1945                    7-72



Densmore, Francis       Menominee Music SI-BAE Bulletin                 # 102   1932            	



Smith, Huron H. Ethnobotany of the Menomini Indians     Bulletin of the Public

Museum of the City of Milwaukee                 4       1923                    1-174



Tantaquidgeon, Gladys   Mohegan Medicinal Practices, Weather-Lore and

Superstitions   SI-BAE Annual Report                    # 43    1928                    264-270



Smith, Huron H. Ethnobotany of the Ojibwe Indians       Bulletin of the Public

Museum of Milwaukee                     4       1932                    327-525



Speck, F.G., Hassrick, R.B., Carpenter, E.S.    Rappahannock Herbals, Folk-Lore

and Science of Cures    Proceedings of the Delaware County Institute of Science

10      1942                    7-55



Carr, Lloyd G., Westey, C.      Surviving Folktales & Herbal Lore Among the

Shinnecock Indians      Journal of American Folklore                    58      1945                    113-123







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Very helpful

From: genie <genie@GOLDCITY.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:35:14 -0800

--------

Hi to all on the list!



This is one of the most informative digest I have been on.  Have been on

the side reading and learning for a while.



Just want everyone to know how much you all are appriciated.  Some of my

concerns have been answered.



I do go to a Naturopathic Physician.  He has mention anything to do with

the skin is the result of a liver malfunction.  I have read many things on

the list that would be the end result of the liver malfunction (not

cleaning the blood properly).



Do have one question that may be off topic.  It's to do with air quality in

a home, and what effects it would have on the body.  We had  fresh air

(from out-doors} piped into out furnace.  What a difference.

What could one do about the health aspect through herbs?



Thanks to all again.

On the side,

Genie



genie@goldcity.net



Quesnel,BC,Ca



"it's not what we have - it's what we do with it"







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Very helpful

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 11:35:56 -0800

--------

On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:35:14 -0800 genie <genie@GOLDCITY.NET> writes:



>I do go to a Naturopathic Physician.  He has mention anything to do

>with

>the skin is the result of a liver malfunction.  I have read many

>things on

>the list that would be the end result of the liver malfunction (not

>cleaning the blood properly).

>

that makes a LOT of sense to me, actually.  My father has porphyria,

which manifests itself as pockets of iron on his hands and face due to

the fact that his liver cannot process it properly. The only treatment

for it, aside from less red meat, more greens and no red wine, is to have

him bled every month...rather archaic and surprising, but there it is.



My husband suffers from terrible scarring as a result of acne.  I've been

treating it effectively with a poultice of echinacea, chamomile mint,

rolled oats and a drop or two of vitamin E, as well as feeding him lots

of greens. While it makes the acne go away much faster than normal, it

doesn't do much to alleviate the scarring, nor does it prevent the acne

from occuring in the first place.  I'm thinking a diet of less red meat

(my husband is a total carnivore, and is one of those people who really

needs red meat), lots of greens, less yeast (in breads, maybe give him

yogurt), more fish and sea products....



anything in the way of herbs i can give him to help his liver function

properly as well?  I've been pouring over my Culpepper's and while it

gives some suggestions, i'm always amenable to more:)



_____________________________________________________________________

You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.

Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com

Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Very helpful

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@NETUSA1.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 17:05:36 -0800

--------

elizabeth j powell wrote:

>

> On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:35:14 -0800 genie <genie@GOLDCITY.NET> writes:

>

> >I do go to a Naturopathic Physician.  He has mention anything to do

> >with

> >the skin is the result of a liver malfunction.  I have read many

> >things on

> >the list that would be the end result of the liver malfunction (not

> >cleaning the blood properly).

> >

> that makes a LOT of sense to me, actually.  My father has porphyria,

> which manifests itself as pockets of iron on his hands and face due to

> the fact that his liver cannot process it properly. The only treatment

> for it, aside from less red meat, more greens and no red wine, is to have

> him bled every month...rather archaic and surprising, but there it is.

>

> My husband suffers from terrible scarring as a result of acne.  I've been

> treating it effectively with a poultice of echinacea, chamomile mint,

> rolled oats and a drop or two of vitamin E, as well as feeding him lots

> of greens. While it makes the acne go away much faster than normal, it

> doesn't do much to alleviate the scarring, nor does it prevent the acne

> from occuring in the first place.  I'm thinking a diet of less red meat

> (my husband is a total carnivore, and is one of those people who really

> needs red meat), lots of greens, less yeast (in breads, maybe give him

> yogurt), more fish and sea products....

>

> anything in the way of herbs i can give him to help his liver function

> properly as well?  I've been pouring over my Culpepper's and while it

> gives some suggestions, i'm always amenable to more:)

>

> _____________________________________________________________________

> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.

> Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com

> Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]

Elizabeth,

You can try to add the bitter herbs for help with detoxing the liver.

Two that come readily to mind are dandilion root and milk thistle.

Mike







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Very helpful

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:47:26 -0900

--------

>anything in the way of herbs i can give him to help his liver function

>properly as well?  I've been pouring over my Culpepper's and while it

>gives some suggestions, i'm always amenable to more:)

>

>_

For starters, substitute coffee with Dandelion root beverage and get him on

daily doses of Milk Thistle.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Very helpful

From: M J Hampstead <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:31:00 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-21 14:44:50 EST, you write:



<<

 anything in the way of herbs i can give him to help his liver function

 properly as well?  I've been pouring over my Culpepper's and while it

 gives some suggestions, i'm always amenable to more:) >>

Milk thistle, dandelion (all parts), burdock and  whole lemon, juiced, every

morning, 1/2 hour before any other foods.

Hope this helps.

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Very helpful

From: /dd.id=cnt92473/g=tony/i=tjj/s=juhasz/prmd=bnr/@NORTEL.COM

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 14:52:00 EST

--------

Would milk thistle help cleanse the liver of toxins??





In message "Very helpful", you write:



> On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 19:35:14 -0800 genie <genie@GOLDCITY.NET> writes:

>

> >I do go to a Naturopathic Physician.  He has mention anything to do

> >with

> >the skin is the result of a liver malfunction.  I have read many

> >things on

> >the list that would be the end result of the liver malfunction (not

> >cleaning the blood properly).

> >

> that makes a LOT of sense to me, actually.  My father has porphyria,

> which manifests itself as pockets of iron on his hands and face due to

> the fact that his liver cannot process it properly. The only treatment

> for it, aside from less red meat, more greens and no red wine, is to have

> him bled every month...rather archaic and surprising, but there it is.

>

> My husband suffers from terrible scarring as a result of acne.  I've been

> treating it effectively with a poultice of echinacea, chamomile mint,

> rolled oats and a drop or two of vitamin E, as well as feeding him lots

> of greens. While it makes the acne go away much faster than normal, it

> doesn't do much to alleviate the scarring, nor does it prevent the acne

> from occuring in the first place.  I'm thinking a diet of less red meat

> (my husband is a total carnivore, and is one of those people who really

> needs red meat), lots of greens, less yeast (in breads, maybe give him

> yogurt), more fish and sea products....

>

> anything in the way of herbs i can give him to help his liver function

> properly as well?  I've been pouring over my Culpepper's and while it

> gives some suggestions, i'm always amenable to more:)

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Very helpful

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:25:08 -0900

--------

At 02:52 PM 2/23/98 EST, you wrote:

>Would milk thistle help cleanse the liver of toxins??

>

>

>

Very possibly.  However, if you are more specific as to what kind of

toxins, perhaps we could suggest something more specific for treatment.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: milk question off topic (Calcium)

From: John Goude <nature@EEE.ORG>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 00:48:54 -0800

--------

Mike & Linda Shipley wrote:



> Would you please list some calcium rich foods besides meat and milk?

> My daughter doesn't care for milk and she is 6 1/2 years old. Thanks.



Sesime seed is high in calcium.  Also green leaves are usualy high too.

See

http://www.eee.org/bus/nature/wepnut_frames.htm



--

<>< John Goude ><>            ham: KE6VUB

Yucaipa, CA 92399-5605

e-mail: nature@eee.org

http://www.eee.org/bus/nature

http://www.eee.org/bus/nature/mtmisery.htm







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: February on HerbNET

From: Maureen Rogers <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 15:28:17 EST

--------

This month's Herb Magazine features  profiles on Damiana, Epazote, Sandalwood,

English Daisy (edible flower) and Saffron.  There's also a wonderful tribute

to Adelma Grenier Simmons who died in December written by my trade journal

editor, Pat Gould.



And if you haven't visited us in a while you may have to reset your bookmarks

because we've moved....the address is the same but your browser will be going

back to the previous server unless you remark it.  There's been a lot

happening at both HerbNET (http://www.herbnet.com) and our herb business site

HerbWorld (http://www.herbworld.com) over the last month.  Since we moved to

our new servers we've got so much more space to expand and the ability to add

a lot of features....for example Herb Quest....a message board you can leave

your herb questions on....sometimes I'll answer, sometimes my team of

specialists will answer and sometimes anyone will answer.  If I see anything

blatantly incorrect I'll make sure a correction is noted.  We also have Herb

Search.....now you can search the sites for key words that make your viewing

easier.  On Herb World we have lots new as well....The Green Pages Online is

expanding and easier to search....there are more new classifieds and we now

have Herb Crop Shop.....a place growers can list their crops and buyers can

list their needs.  This is strictly on the wholesale level please.  Consumers

should stick to HerbNET for retail purchases.  And we've got a few other ideas

simmering on the back burner so check in often.



At our conference in San Antonio we awarded our  annual Herb Business Grant to

Elk Mountain Herbs in Wyoming.  They asked for $2000 to complete a traveling

exhibit of native plants to schools and libraries.  We were able to actually

raise a bit more and that will go into the pot for next year's grant award.

For those not familiar with the program, each year we award a grant to the

herb business that our panel of judges decides has the best project that is

not only beneficial to their own business but promotes herbs to the public.



We're also beginning our annual Herbal Green Pages update.  If you would like

to be included and have NOT submitted a request before, email me at

HERBWORLD@aol.com and we'll send you a listing form.  If you've been in before

you'll get your form in the mail over the next month.   This is the most

extensive resource guide for the herb industry with over 6000 listings and

over 400 pages.  We also have a practitioner section with listings that

include modalities.  There is NO charge in being listed in the hardcopy

version.



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Treatment for headaches?

From: Pam Quinn <Pam_Quinn@JEMM.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 16:52:26 -0600

--------

My ten-year-old son recently started having severe headaches and

dizziness.  We took him to a neurologist who without doing tests aside

from the basic physical, said it could be his glasses or carbon monoxide,

both of which we ruled out, stress, the flu, or migrains.  What he

prescribed was a bata blocker that he said to try for a month.  If that

didn't help, he said that we should increase the dose, and if that didn't

help, try another medication.  Since he was not tested for anything

specificly, as far as I'm concerned the medication is a shot in the dark,

and I do not want him to be put on a bata blocker before they are even

sure what it is they are treating.  Does anyone out there have any

suggestions for either an herbal remedy or homeopathic remedy that we

could try?  I had heard that Feverfew is good for headaches and got some

of that today, but I know very little about it - and would also appreciate

information about that.  The capsules that I have are 380 mg.  Does anyone

have children taking this on a regular basis, and if so at what dose?



Thanks much,



Pam







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: Stephen Connors <connors2@CAMCOMP.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:04:12 -0500

--------

 My daughter had chronic headaches until we found out that she was

constipated.  We gave her Cascara Sagrada. Ten minutes later she had a

massive bowel movement and the headaches immediately stopped.



It seems that she was absorbing the toxins from the bacteria growing on the

fecal material in her colon.  Hope this helps. In any event, it won't hurt.

Most of us are constipated anyway and need to have our colons cleaned.



-----Original Message-----

From: Pam Quinn <Pam_Quinn@JEMM.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Saturday, February 21, 1998 6:00 PM

Subject: Treatment for headaches?







>My ten-year-old son recently started having severe headaches and

>dizziness.  We took him to a neurologist who without doing tests aside

>from the basic physical, said it could be his glasses or carbon monoxide,

>both of which we ruled out, stress, the flu, or migrains.  What he

>prescribed was a bata blocker that he said to try for a month.  If that

>didn't help, he said that we should increase the dose, and if that didn't

>help, try another medication.  Since he was not tested for anything

>specificly, as far as I'm concerned the medication is a shot in the dark,

>and I do not want him to be put on a bata blocker before they are even

>sure what it is they are treating.  Does anyone out there have any

>suggestions for either an herbal remedy or homeopathic remedy that we

>could try?  I had heard that Feverfew is good for headaches and got some

>of that today, but I know very little about it - and would also appreciate

>information about that.  The capsules that I have are 380 mg.  Does anyone

>have children taking this on a regular basis, and if so at what dose?

>

>Thanks much,

>

>Pam







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:08:53 -0900

--------

At 06:04 PM 2/21/98 -0500, you wrote:

> My daughter had chronic headaches until we found out that she was

>constipated.  We gave her Cascara Sagrada. Ten minutes later she had a

>massive bowel movement and the headaches immediately stopped.

>

>It seems that she was absorbing the toxins from the bacteria growing on the

>fecal material in her colon.  Hope this helps. In any event, it won't hurt.

>Most of us are constipated anyway and need to have our colons cleaned.

>

>

Constipation will cause a headache but I take exception to the last

sentence.  That's a false assumption stemming from the old KLOSS type

school.  A healthy person HAS a clean colon.  There ARE healthy people in

the world.  Others may not suffer constipation at all, in fact the reverse

and need help toning the intestine.  Too much use of things like Cascara

will make a person reliant on them for elimination.  Be very careful NOT to

form a habit that you won't be able to break.

Constipation may also signal other problems such as liver and kidney.  WHY

is the person constipated???  Treat THAT and you won't NEED things like

cascara except on those rare occasions when you eat wrong.

Be careful with blanket statements.  Many blankets are full of holes.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 18:48:38 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-21 17:53:20 EST, you write:



<< My ten-year-old son recently started having severe headaches and

 dizziness.  We took him to a neurologist who without doing tests aside

 from the basic physical, said it could be his glasses or carbon monoxide,

 both of which we ruled out, stress, the flu, or migrains.  What he

 prescribed was a bata blocker that he said to try for a month.  If that

 didn't help, he said that we should increase the dose, and if that didn't

 help, try another medication.  Since he was not tested for anything >>



I ADD:



This kind of casual diagnosing makes me angry every time I hear it.  When my

son was 10 he also had migraines (with aura).  After many days out from school

we consulted a very good neurologist who did use an MRI (magnetic resonance

imaging) to rule-out any brain abnormality, etc.  Only after that (and yes i

am aware that folks highly object to it - as parents we did not) did he

suggest that my son had migraines.  He did prescribe a beta blocker and

because they are hard to get off of we tried the natural route.



We eliminated tyramines (chocolate, caffeine, MSG, tomatoes, nuts, cheeses,

processed meats like hot dogs).  He did much better from the first month on.

Now he knows when he goes to eat one of these foods he needs to weigh the

consequences.  We also put him on a schedule for waking and sleeping because

if it is a migraine situation they do better with a regular sleep-wake

schedule.



While I was studying for my M.S. in Natural Health I found all kinds of

theories of migraines so I did my Master's thesis on them and natural ways to

help.  If you want I can send you that portion of the paper.



We also found in his case that while stress can trigger any headache, that a

headache in turn can trigger a migraine.  It's as if the elasticity in the

blood vessels in the brain never reshape well after successive headaches.  So

find out what his "triggers" are.  My sons are trests, long classroom time,

and little sleep.



Yes, feverfew is wonderful and it's in the portion of the paper that covers

natural methods of treatment.  Some swear by a fresh leaf a day, some others

use the freeze-dried leaf.  But studies state that it has some wonderful

results both as a preventative and when a headache is full blown.



Also he uses White Willow Bark Tea, or Meadowsweet Tea both of which contain

constituents like aspirin.



Hope this is a help -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: LINDA J FLICKINGER <DTKK03B@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 07:17:16 -0500

--------

This brings to mind something I have been wondering about.  Who has

information about colonic treatments?  I have heard sketchy things

about them and would like to know more.  Are they safe?  Can you do

it yourself?  What type of practitioner works with you? etc. etc. etc.





Thanks for any information.



Linda







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:32:30 -0900

--------

At 07:17 AM 2/22/98 -0500, you wrote:

>This brings to mind something I have been wondering about.  Who has

>information about colonic treatments?  I have heard sketchy things

>about them and would like to know more.  Are they safe?  Can you do

>it yourself?  What type of practitioner works with you? etc. etc. etc.

>

>

>Thanks for any information.

>

>Linda

>

>

Colonics are an old approach.  Sometimes they are effective.  Sometimes

they weaken an already weakened system making it worse.  Having been there

and tried that, I'd say they are more trouble than they are worth for the

most part.  A weakened and troubled digestive system does NOT start in the

colon...IT ENDS THERE.  By the time your problem has extended to the colon,

you have a BIG problem.  It's easier to break up a logjam when there are

only a few twigs than to wait until you need dynamite.

Sometimes you will need to clear the intestine so you can get things moving

but you must NOT turn all your attention there.  Don't stop with an enema.

Find the root cause of the problem...liver?, kidney?, spleen?, adrenal?,

habits?, etc.  Treat those.  I've often found that you can normalize

digestion in other ways without colonics.  They are a LAST resort.

You'll find too that those thyroid posts could most likely be taken care of

by healing the spleen.  Got to look just a little farther..........  Always

ask WHY.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:02:25 -0900

--------

At 04:52 PM 2/21/98 -0600, you wrote:

>My ten-year-old son recently started having severe headaches and

>dizziness.  We took him to a neurologist who without doing tests aside

>from the basic physical, said it could be his glasses or carbon monoxide,

>both of which we ruled out, stress, the flu, or migrains.  What he

>prescribed was a bata blocker that he said to try for a month.  If that

>didn't help, he said that we should increase the dose, and if that didn't

>help, try another medication.  Since he was not tested for anything

>specificly, as far as I'm concerned the medication is a shot in the dark,

>and I do not want him to be put on a bata blocker before they are even

>sure what it is they are treating.  Does anyone out there have any

>suggestions for either an herbal remedy or homeopathic remedy that we

>could try?  I had heard that Feverfew is good for headaches and got some

>of that today, but I know very little about it - and would also appreciate

>information about that.  The capsules that I have are 380 mg.  Does anyone

>have children taking this on a regular basis, and if so at what dose?

>

>Thanks much,

>

>Pam

>

>

Aint that just like 'em, let's give him poison and see if it works. I went

through the same thing.  Feverfew MAY help.  It depends on his actual

problem.  I'd be willing to bet dollars to doughnuts that he's got a really

"hot" liver.  As to what is causing it, that would need some investigation.

 Run, do not walk to your nearest professional for a real look-at-me

physical workup and history.  I'd bet we're dealing with some environmental

type allergies.  I've had good results dealing with homeopathic and Chinese

medicine for this.  Acupuncture is EXCELLENT!!!!  It's almost miraculous.

In the meantime, DON'T let him have any food with additives.  Fresh food

only.  No TV dinners or prepared foods.  Keep away from food dyes, msg,

excess sugars, caffeine, chemicals.  Check his daily environment for

pesticides, new carpets, paint, etc. Get him some dandelion root beverage

to drink several times daily.  Have him drink LOTS and LOTS of peppermint

tea (iced is good) laced with Yarrow.  You've got to disperse the heat.

I have seen excellent results with herbs and acupuncture.  But you MUST get

a proper diagnosis first.  My own daughter still doesn't go in our local

High School because of things used in remodeling without some trouble but

as long as we watch and treat at the first symptoms she remains migraine

free.  So we homeschool but at least she doesn't have to be drugged.  The

miserable school nearly killed her, making her so weak she could barely

stand.  Watch those environments.  Not everyone's bodies can deal with

pollutants as well as most can.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: "Tamara D. Leonard" <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 22:40:59 EST

--------

Lavender essential oil works well for headaches also.



If it was my child, one thing that I would do is carry him to a chiropractor.

A spine out of alignment can cause headaches and dizziness.



Medical doctors and pharmaceutical companies LOVE to test drugs on people when

they have no clue as to what is really wrong with them.  Beta-blockers would

certainly be a LAST resort.



Also, food and environmental allergies can.



Good luck at finding the cause.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:39:52 EST

--------

The daughter of a friend of mine has developed a condition that has baffled

all the allopathic specialists. She's about 17 and about six months ago began

to develop allergies to various foods. Also, she is sick most of the time with

fevers, and flu-like illness. Another symptom that occurs is an intense

headache whose pain "shoots straight through one ear". Does this sound like an

allergic response that affects her immune system?? Any ideas on how to get at

the cause??  I'd appreciate any help offerred.



Elliot Freeman







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:18:15 -0900

--------

At 11:39 PM 2/22/98 EST, you wrote:

>The daughter of a friend of mine has developed a condition that has baffled

>all the allopathic specialists. She's about 17 and about six months ago began

>to develop allergies to various foods. Also, she is sick most of the time

with

>fevers, and flu-like illness. Another symptom that occurs is an intense

>headache whose pain "shoots straight through one ear". Does this sound

like an

>allergic response that affects her immune system?? Any ideas on how to get at

>the cause??  I'd appreciate any help offerred.

>

>Elliot Freeman

>

>

Liver/spleen probably.  There may be good help for her homeopathically.

Get a good diagnosis then come back and we'll discuss.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: M J Hampstead <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 04:57:39 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-22 22:42:00 EST, you write:



<< If it was my child, one thing that I would do is carry him to a

chiropractor.

 A spine out of alignment can cause headaches and dizziness. >>

Or take him to a D.O. doctor of osteopathy who prctices OMT... osteopathic

manupulative therapy and perhaps also cranial sacral therapy. D.O.'s are

similar to M.D.s in terms of licensing requirements and have hospital

privileges.

Good luck.

MJH







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Treatment for headaches?

From: elizabeth scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:53:06 +0000

--------

>

> The daughter of a friend of mine has developed a condition that has baffled

> all the allopathic specialists. She's about 17 and about six months ago began

> to develop allergies to various foods. Also, she is sick most of the time with

> fevers, and flu-like illness. Another symptom that occurs is an intense

> headache whose pain "shoots straight through one ear". Does this sound like an

> allergic response that affects her immune system?? Any ideas on how to get at

> the cause??  I'd appreciate any help offerred.



In response to the previous headache question for the 10 year old, I too

have suffered from migraine and have found chiropactic treatments to be

very helpful. I happen to be lucky enough to have a chiropractor who

also is an accupuncturist so have tried both and both have really

helped.



Also, for both mentioned people,  have you checked out the possibilities

of food allergies and/or candida? The above scenario for the 17 year old

woman sounds alot like the symptoms i had before i was diagnosed with

candida albicans. There are many things to check out - also the symptoms

are not that unlike those for lyme disease. A proper diagnosis from a

qualified physician would be the first step. Once you rule out the

possibilities of something like lyme (which SHOULDN"T be fooled with!) a

simple diet without sugars or yeasties for a while might help her start

to identify that which she may be allergic to.



As always, support your body! (when in doubt, Nettle tea ;)



In health,  bek







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Poor Circulation or worse??

From: Bridget Kelley <MarzNymph@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:07:11 EST

--------

Hi all,



I have an appointment with a traditional m.d. on this coming Tuesday and one

with an Herbalist the following week,  but-- I am a little worried about a

current situation.  For about 10 days, I have experienced inconsistent periods

of numbness or tingling in my left lower leg (mostly low calf and foot).  This

tingling/numbness isn't from the typical situation of sitting too long in one

position because I can get it after walking right when I sit down, and the

numbness/tingling shifts with my position as I sit.  It is definitely relieved

when I stand or walk, and I don't seem to get it lying down.



In the last 10 nights-- ocassionally I have what I think are leg cramps in

that leg while lying down, and I do have some prominent varicose veins on that

leg as well (which I have had since I was 14-- I am now 29).    Does anyone

have any ideas?  Could this be a blood clot in a vein, or just poor

circulation (I often have very cold hands and feet)-- or am I just paranoid??



Thank you so much for your time.



Bridget Kelley

MarzNymph@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Poor Circulation or worse??

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 10:19:34 -0500

--------

Dear Bridget:  I've heard similar symptoms on the Thyroid List from

hypothyroid patients.

You might think of having your thyroid checked.  Mention it to your

herbalist and MD. -Anita



At 10:07 PM -0500 2/21/98, Bridget Kelley wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>I have an appointment with a traditional m.d. on this coming Tuesday and one

>with an Herbalist the following week,  but-- I am a little worried about a

>current situation.  For about 10 days, I have experienced inconsistent periods

>of numbness or tingling in my left lower leg (mostly low calf and foot).  This

>tingling/numbness isn't from the typical situation of sitting too long in one

>position because I can get it after walking right when I sit down, and the

>numbness/tingling shifts with my position as I sit.  It is definitely relieved

>when I stand or walk, and I don't seem to get it lying down.

>

>In the last 10 nights-- ocassionally I have what I think are leg cramps in

>that leg while lying down, and I do have some prominent varicose veins on that

>leg as well (which I have had since I was 14-- I am now 29).    Does anyone

>have any ideas?  Could this be a blood clot in a vein, or just poor

>circulation (I often have very cold hands and feet)-- or am I just paranoid??

>

>Thank you so much for your time.

>

>Bridget Kelley

>MarzNymph@aol.com







--



paf@connix.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Poor Circulation or worse??

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 13:12:05 -0900

--------

At 10:07 PM 2/21/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hi all,

>

>I have an appointment with a traditional m.d. on this coming Tuesday and one

>with an Herbalist the following week,  but-- I am a little worried about a

>current situation.  For about 10 days, I have experienced inconsistent

periods

>of numbness or tingling in my left lower leg (mostly low calf and foot).

This

>tingling/numbness isn't from the typical situation of sitting too long in one

>position because I can get it after walking right when I sit down, and the

>numbness/tingling shifts with my position as I sit.  It is definitely

relieved

>when I stand or walk, and I don't seem to get it lying down.

>

>In the last 10 nights-- ocassionally I have what I think are leg cramps in

>that leg while lying down, and I do have some prominent varicose veins on

that

>leg as well (which I have had since I was 14-- I am now 29).    Does anyone

>have any ideas?  Could this be a blood clot in a vein, or just poor

>circulation (I often have very cold hands and feet)-- or am I just paranoid??

>

>Thank you so much for your time.

>

>Bridget Kelley

>MarzNymph@aol.com

>

>

Having had a VERY similar experience, I'd recommend Chinese herbs for

"stuck blood" and acupuncture.  It worked like a charm. (Tasted like @#%&*)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Poor Circulation or worse??

From: M J Hampstead <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:31:13 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-21 22:09:47 EST, you write:



<< - or am I just paranoid?? >>

Forget that please.... you may have  pinched nerve in the lower back/sacrum.

Do you have a D.O. in your area that does OMT Osteopathic Manupulative

Therpay? I would suggest you start there, then the MD, etc. A chiropractor may

be helpful also, but I'd still start with a D.O. who does OMT.  Get well and

forget the self labels... we tend to harvest what we sow.

MJH







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Poor Circulation or worse??

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:29:52 -0500

--------

Bridget-



For your own comfort get checked out for clots or phlebitis and diabetes

as well.  If all is well (and even if it isn't), try taking 2 cups of

cup of nettles infusion (1 oz./quart of water steeped overnight) everyday

for the next 2-3 months.  I would also take cayenne capsules, use warming

spices liberally in cooking and make sure you have enough magnesium and

rutin in your diet.  And look to warming foods, since this looks like a

case of Stagnation in Chinese terms. All these recommendations hold if

you have any of the medical conditions listed above- they will complement

other care.



Exercise is also quite important, even if this isn't just a matter of

directly impeded circulation.  The exercise will help strengthen your

circulation in general and help oxygenate the blood.



Since you get the problem sitting down, I suggest you get a more padded

chair, seriously.  I have seen problems disappear when people changed to

chairs that didn't put pressure on their calves or thighs.  Some chairs-

even formerly comfortable ones after the foam starts compressing- will

cut off your circulation and if you work or spend much time sitting down,

you are asking for trouble.  And avoid clothing that restricts your

circulation until things improve- like elastic sock bands or  varicose

vein socks.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:07:11 EST Bridget Kelley <MarzNymph@AOL.COM>

writes:

>Hi all,

>

>I have an appointment with a traditional m.d. on this coming Tuesday

>and one

>with an Herbalist the following week,  but-- I am a little worried

>about a

>current situation.  For about 10 days, I have experienced inconsistent

>periods

>of numbness or tingling in my left lower leg (mostly low calf and

>foot).  This

>tingling/numbness isn't from the typical situation of sitting too long

>in one

>position because I can get it after walking right when I sit down, and

>the

>numbness/tingling shifts with my position as I sit.  It is definitely

>relieved

>when I stand or walk, and I don't seem to get it lying down.

>

>In the last 10 nights-- ocassionally I have what I think are leg

>cramps in

>that leg while lying down, and I do have some prominent varicose veins

>on that

>leg as well (which I have had since I was 14-- I am now 29).    Does

>anyone

>have any ideas?  Could this be a blood clot in a vein, or just poor

>circulation (I often have very cold hands and feet)-- or am I just

>paranoid??

>

>Thank you so much for your time.

>

>Bridget Kelley

>MarzNymph@aol.com

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Poor Circulation or worse??

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:16:49 EST

--------

<<

 For your own comfort get checked out for clots or phlebitis and diabetes

 as well.  If all is well (and even if it isn't), try taking 2 cups of

 cup of nettles infusion (1 oz./quart of water steeped overnight) everyday

 for the next 2-3 months.  I would also take cayenne capsules, use warming

 spices liberally in cooking and make sure you have enough magnesium and

 rutin in your diet.  And look to warming foods, since this looks like a

 case of Stagnation in Chinese terms. All these recommendations hold if

 you have any of the medical conditions listed above- they will complement

 other care. <snip>

  >>



I add:



Another herb that is well known for its effects on circulation is ginkgo

biloba. Ginkgo is the most studied herb in the world with nearly 300 published

papers and the most widely used herb in Europe, accounting for over 10 million

prescriptions each year and over $500 million in sales. Ginkgo biloba extract

(GBE) contains flavone glycosides (usually 24% of the extract), including

bioflavanoids quercitin, kaempferol, and isorhamnetin. The flavanoid

components are responsible for the herb's antioxidant and some of the platelet

aggregation inhibiting effects. GBE also contains terpene lactones (usually 6%

of the extract) which are a group of compounds unique to the herb.



One such group known as ginkgolides is responsible for improving circulation

and inhibiting platelet aggregation factor. Another terpene lactone,

bilobalide, has shown neuroprotective activity in animal studies and the

ability to stimulate regeneration of damaged nerve cells. GBE improves

microcirculation by decreasing blood viscosity, erythrocyte aggregation,

leukocyte rigidity, and increasing erythrocyte flexibility.[1] GBE also exerts

anti-ischemic action and relieves arteriolar spasm, allows better glucose and

oxygen uptake under ischemic conditions, and stimulates aerobic glycolysis and

lactate clearance.[2]



     Clinical Studies: Numerous trials describe the peripheral effects of GBE.

In one randomized, placebo-controlled crossover study conducted in 10

volunteers, a significant decrease in erythrocyte aggregation (-15.6%) was

noted during the GBE phase and blood flow through nail capillaries improved by

57%.[3] In 60 patients with arterial erection dysfunction refractory to

papaverine, after 6 months of GBE 50% of patients became potent, 20% were

responsive to papaverine, 25% had inflow improvement but were unresponsive to

papaverine, and 5% were unchanged.[4] In another trial in patients with

claudicating atherosclerotic arterial disease, ischemic areas decreased by 38%

in those who received GBE compared with an increase of 5% in patients who

received placebo.[5] In a 3-year study in patients with peripheral arterial

occlusive disease, GBE quadrupled the maximum walking distance after

exercise.[6] A meta-analysis, published in Lancet, indicated that GBE had a

highly significant beneficial effect on walking distance in patients with

intermittent claudication.[7]



     The use of GBE in cerebral vascular disorders has been extensively

investigated. A meta-analysis of 40 studies concluded that GBE was useful for

concentration and memory difficulty, tiredness, headache, tinnitus, confusion,

lack of energy, depressed mood, dizziness and decreased performance.[8] Other

studies involving GBE demonstrated efficacy in visual problems such as

diabetic retinopathy, retinal insufficiency, and macular degeneration.[1] In a

recent study involving patients with mild to moderately severe Alzheimers or

multi-infarct dementia, there was a slight improvement in a performance-based

cognitive test for patients receiving GBE 120mg/day, whereas those receiving

placebo continued to deteriorate over a 2-year period. Of evaluable data, 27%

of GBE-patients achieved a 4-point improvement in scores vs 14% of placebo-

patients. Similar changes were noted by subjective assessment of caregivers,

in which 37% of the GBE group were considered improved vs 23% in the placebo

group. In clinical terms, cognitive improvement may be equivalent to a 6-month

delay in the progression of the disease, which compares similarly to tacrine.

There were no difference in side effects between groups.[9]



1. Ogletree RL, Fischer RG. The Top 10 Scientifically Proven Natural Products.

    Natural Source Digest. Brandon, MS. 1997

2. Foster S. Herbal Supplements in the U.S. Market. NARD J 1996;Oct:127-41

3. Jung F, Mrowietz C, Keiswetter H, Wenzel E. Effects of Ginkgo Biloba on

    Fluidity of Blood and Peripheral Microcirculation in Volunteers.

    Arzneim-Forsch 1990;40:589-93

4. Sikoria R. Ginkgo Biloba Extract in the Therapy of Erectile Dysfunction.

    J Urol 1989;141:188A

5. Mouren X, Caillard P, Schwartz F. Study of the Antiischemic Action of Egb

    761 in the Treatment of Peripheral Arterial Occlusive Disease by TcPo2

    Determination. Angiology 1994;45:413-17

6. Bauer U. Long Term Treatment of Peripheral Arterial Disease With Ginkgo

    Biloba Extract (GBE). A Three Year Study. Vasa 1986;Supl 15:26

7. Kleijnen J, Knipschild P. Ginkgo Biloba. Lancet 1992;340:1136-39

8. Kleijnen J, Knispchild P. Ginkgo Biloba for Cerebral insufficiency.

    Br J Clin Pharmac 1992;34:352-85

9. Le Bars PL, Katz MM, Berman N, et al. A Placebo-Controlled, Double-Blind,

    Randomized Trial of an Extract of Ginkgo Biloba for Dementia.

    JAMA 1997;278:1327-32



For those who may be interested, I am preparing to start a newsletter on herbs

and nutrition to the healthcare professionals and the  general public. The

newsletter will not be "promoting" any particular product, but will focus on

facts and important clinical studies that confirm the value of herbs and

nutrition. The first 6 months will be free. Please contact me directly if

anyone would like to receive it. Please forward this message to any of your

friends who may also be interested. I will need at least several hundred

people before I begin this project.



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter Service

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists

Elfreem@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbal monographs and free herb/nutrition newsletter

From: "H.D. Nostrum" <Drhayim@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 01:19:00 EST

--------

I don't know if it will be of interest, but I have been researching Judaic and

Islamic  for over 25 years.  I'm also trying to finish off a book ( about 350

pages at present) please contact , if interested.



H. David Sofer







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: cancer help

From: larry Seguine <comet@ALASKA.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Feb 1998 22:02:20 -0900

--------

Greetings all,



I haven't posted much for a while, but now I have a real problem I need

some help with.  On Friday, I was diagnosed with breast cancer  and am

scheduled for surgery on Wednesday the 25th.  The surgeon, in whom I

have great faith, is not "into" herbs and alternative therapies,

however, I did tell her I planned on 'complementing' traditional

treatment with vitamins and herbs to help improve my immune system.  I

won't get the full pathology report until Monday afternoon so I don't

know a lot of the details, like type, stage, etc. yet.  The tumor itself

is approximately 1 inch in diameter (approx. 2 cm), and I WANT IT

OUT!!!  (Sorry for yelling.)



Since I'm catching a cold...great timing, huh?...I've increased my vit c

and e and zinc.  I've been taking SJW daily, and have also added

echinacea.  I'm out of goldenseal...that would help, wouldn't it?  I'm

scared to death of the chemo that will follow...I want to give what will

be left of my immune system a boost and continue on throughout..



The surgeon asked me not to add too many herbs until after the

surgery...(she doesn't know what will react with the anesthesia (sp?)

and/or other medications.)



Another little added whammy here...I have been taking Premarin (estrogen

replacement) since I had a total hysterectomy 6 years ago and have been

very satisfied with it, altho I did just get a lower dosage and added 25

mg of DHEA...seems to work fine.)  However, with the cancer, I will not

be able to take estrogen.  I know there was a thread on this a while

back, and I read most of the posts, but didn't save them because my plan

was to gradually decrease the premarin and increase the DHEA.  But

now.....all this and instant menopause all at the same time!?!?!



There really aren't a lot of choices here for oncologists, but I will

try to find one that is at least a little bit knowledgeable about herbs,

or failing that, one who will work with me (working with you guys who

really are knowledgeable!)



Can anybody give me some suggestions for improved healing and improving

my immune system?



Judy, scared in Alaska







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: Diana Winters <Stellapr@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 08:01:39 EST

--------

Dear Judy,



      I know what you are going through as I had breast cancer 12/95 and went

through chemo and radiation.  I presently am only using alternative medicine

such as herbs and essiac tea and shark cartilage.  When I was diagnosed I did

not know the about these alternative ways of fighting breast cancer.



     I took all supplements during chemo and did not listen to my oncologist

who told me to only take a multi. It is very important for you to take co-

enzme 10 during chemo as it protects the heart.  (at least 100 mg a day.)



     I  go on a three day juice fast once a month and clean myself with coffee

enemas during this fast.



      There is a group like this one that is for women who only use

alternative medicine for breast cancer.  Since I am now not using any

convention treatment I belong.  If someday you decide to do what I am doing I

will show you how to subscribe.



      Best of luck to you up there in Alaska.     Diane



      PS  I am doing FINE!!!!!







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: Bridget Kelley <MarzNymph@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 11:13:49 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-22 02:06:52 EST, you write:



<< Can anybody give me some suggestions for improved healing and improving

 my immune system?

  >>



My prayers are with you in this difficult/challenging time.  One super

important thing to keep in mind is that your emotional well being and stress

level really have an impact on your immune system and body functions.  I know

it probably is absolutely impossible to not be stressed, worried, upset or

depressed, but do not underestimate how these conditions will impact your

health.



The herbal remedies you are currently taking do help with the immune system,

but also when you feel up to it-- begin to include moderate exercise.  This

will also boost your immune system.  I would suggest yoga or Tai chi-- these

help build your energy while boosting your cardiovascular strength.



Your diet will become absolutely essential in helping you keep yourself

balanced.  I would suggest that you eliminate all processed foods, coffee,

alcohol, and lower your intake of processed sugars.  Sugars will reduce your

immune system strength.  A book that I believe is excellent for balancing a

healthy diet is Asian Health Secrets by Letha Hedady D.a.c.



As a final note, I love Chinese medicine because it treats the whole person

(including emotions).  In serious diseases, I believe treating the whole

person is more productive for healing.  You might consider finding a Chinese

Herbalist/acupuncurist to help you.  If you get the book I mentioned above

there is an extensive resource list in the appendix.



I hope this helps.



Best wishes,

Bridget Kelley

MarzNymph@aol.com

"You must do the thing you think you cannot do."  --eleanor roosevelt







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: "Jerry or Susan, Orm or Donnelly" <jerorm@VOYAGER.NET>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 15:01:51 -0500

--------

Hello to all,



I have just recently joined the list. Judy, I want you to know that my

prayers are also with you. I can't begin to know what it is like to be in

your situation and do not feel that it is anyones decision but your own as

to how you will go about treating your breast cancer. I will agree with the

comment made that your ability to keep a positve mindset has much to do with

how stronge your body remains and how quickly recovery takes place. My

thoughts are with you.



I would however like to give some info on PREMARIN and my opinion. This is

merely a FYI for everyone. Premirin is derived from the 'urine' of pregenat

mare horses. It is collected by some, not so humaine means and then is

synthetically made into what is sold. I beleive that their are other natural

means of getting estrogen replacements such as Alfalfa which is in a tar

type form. I took this after going off birth control pills which I was on

for too many yrs. It worked wonders! I was able to see a definete change

physically as well as emotionally. There is also to my knowledge Black

Cohosh which has been acclaimed for the same purposes as well. I'm sure that

there are others. I am just not aware of them.



Peace

Susan

-----Original Message-----

From: larry Seguine <comet@ALASKA.NET>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Sunday, February 22, 1998 2:04 AM

Subject: cancer help





>Greetings all,

>

>I haven't posted much for a while, but now I have a real problem I need

>some help with.  On Friday, I was diagnosed with breast cancer  and am

>scheduled for surgery on Wednesday the 25th.  The surgeon, in whom I

>have great faith, is not "into" herbs and alternative therapies,

>however, I did tell her I planned on 'complementing' traditional

>treatment with vitamins and herbs to help improve my immune system.  I

>won't get the full pathology report until Monday afternoon so I don't

>know a lot of the details, like type, stage, etc. yet.  The tumor itself

>is approximately 1 inch in diameter (approx. 2 cm), and I WANT IT

>OUT!!!  (Sorry for yelling.)

>

>Since I'm catching a cold...great timing, huh?...I've increased my vit c

>and e and zinc.  I've been taking SJW daily, and have also added

>echinacea.  I'm out of goldenseal...that would help, wouldn't it?  I'm

>scared to death of the chemo that will follow...I want to give what will

>be left of my immune system a boost and continue on throughout..

>

>The surgeon asked me not to add too many herbs until after the

>surgery...(she doesn't know what will react with the anesthesia (sp?)

>and/or other medications.)

>

>Another little added whammy here...I have been taking Premarin (estrogen

>replacement) since I had a total hysterectomy 6 years ago and have been

>very satisfied with it, altho I did just get a lower dosage and added 25

>mg of DHEA...seems to work fine.)  However, with the cancer, I will not

>be able to take estrogen.  I know there was a thread on this a while

>back, and I read most of the posts, but didn't save them because my plan

>was to gradually decrease the premarin and increase the DHEA.  But

>now.....all this and instant menopause all at the same time!?!?!

>

>There really aren't a lot of choices here for oncologists, but I will

>try to find one that is at least a little bit knowledgeable about herbs,

>or failing that, one who will work with me (working with you guys who

>really are knowledgeable!)

>

>Can anybody give me some suggestions for improved healing and improving

>my immune system?

>

>Judy, scared in Alaska

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 18:06:35 EST

--------

Hello all.



In a message dated 98-02-22 15:11:34 EST, you write:



<< I beleive that their are other natural

 means of getting estrogen replacements such as Alfalfa which is in a tar

 type form. I took this after going off birth control pills which I was on

 for too many yrs. It worked wonders! I was able to see a definete change

 physically as well as emotionally. There is also to my knowledge Black

 Cohosh which has been acclaimed for the same purposes as well.  >>





Are alfalfa and black cohosh helpful for women who are currently taking birth

control pills? Also, what are some of the physical and emotional differences

that you can expect to see?



Thanks,

Jessyka Chompff







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 14:47:33 -0900

--------

At 06:06 PM 2/22/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hello all.

>

>In a message dated 98-02-22 15:11:34 EST, you write:

>

><< I beleive that their are other natural

> means of getting estrogen replacements such as Alfalfa which is in a tar

> type form. I took this after going off birth control pills which I was on

> for too many yrs. It worked wonders! I was able to see a definete change

> physically as well as emotionally. There is also to my knowledge Black

> Cohosh which has been acclaimed for the same purposes as well.  >>

>

>

>Are alfalfa and black cohosh helpful for women who are currently taking birth

>control pills? Also, what are some of the physical and emotional differences

>that you can expect to see?

>

>Thanks,

>Jessyka Chompff

>

>

You should seriously look into consequences of using herbs which promote

estrogenic activity with breast cancer.  There is much discussion on this

subject among herbalists.  While there is no data that I am aware of that

would make a differentiation between estrogen drugs and estrogenic herbs,

there may be risks involved. Be very careful when prescribing your herbs,

you CAN do harm.  Not everything that is called "natural" is safe.

Remember arsenic is "natural".  Some of the most deadly poisons on earth

are "natural". What may be perfectly safe for one person is poison for

another.

You MUST take into consideration each person on an individual basis.  Don't

be a knee jerk herbalist.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 19:19:12 EST

--------

Anita,



In a message dated 98-02-22 18:57:40 EST, you write:



<< You should seriously look into consequences of using herbs which promote

 estrogenic activity with breast cancer.  There is much discussion on this

 subject among herbalists.  While there is no data that I am aware of that

 would make a differentiation between estrogen drugs and estrogenic herbs,

 there may be risks involved. Be very careful when prescribing your herbs,

 you CAN do harm.  Not everything that is called "natural" is safe.

 Remember arsenic is "natural".  Some of the most deadly poisons on earth

 are "natural". What may be perfectly safe for one person is poison for

 another.

 You MUST take into consideration each person on an individual basis.  Don't

 be a knee jerk herbalist.

 >>



I'm not sure which question you were answering with the above response. Let me

restate and then clarify my question.



Are alfalfa and black cohosh helpful for women who are currently taking birth

>control pills? Also, what are some of the physical and emotional differences

>that you can expect to see?



This question was for my own personal use. I have taken birth control for a

number of years. I do not have any types of cancer (that I am aware of - nor

do I have any reason to believe that I do). I was curious if taking either of

the above mentioned herbs would be of benefit to a women currently on birth

control. I was also wondering what some of the benefits were, if any.



Thank you,

Jessyka Chompff







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:29:09 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-22 19:22:01 EST, you write:



<<

 Are alfalfa and black cohosh helpful for women who are currently taking birth

 control pills? Also, what are some of the physical and emotional differences

 that you can expect to see?



 This question was for my own personal use. I have taken birth control for a

 number of years. I do not have any types of cancer (that I am aware of - nor

 do I have any reason to believe that I do). I was curious if taking either of

 the above mentioned herbs would be of benefit to a women currently on birth

 control. I was also wondering what some of the benefits were, if any.

  >>



Is there any reason why you would want to take black cohosh? Did you just hear

it was good for female problems or do you have specific symptoms that you want

treated. I may have missed your previous posts. It may be difficult to

determine how this herb would interact with BC pills.  -Elliot Freeman







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: Aileen Alexander-Harding <grnhart@MAIL.BC.ROGERS.WAVE.CA>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 21:28:23 -0800

--------

Hi Judy, scared in Alaska,

Are you sure you want it out??????

My best Bud has recently found out she has breast cancer and in less

than three months went from what we all thought was a healthy, strong

person to someone who is now going through Chemo. I am studying to be a

Herbalist and have influenced my friend a bit, but she still chose Chemo

over natural methods and I understand and respect her choice. How could

I ever pass judgement until I walk a mile in her shoes. But I strongly

recommend you read Susan Weeds book Breast Health BEFORE you make any

decisions. If you can't find it near you, phone her and order it, i

can't locate her number at this moment but if you want it e-mail me and

I'll get it to you. A couple of things I would recommend is Essiac Tea

from your local Health Food Store(I also sell it very inexpensively

$4.00 per 2ounce package, this is not a pitch, truly, I sell it barely

above cost)Also IF you go the Chemo route take Milk Thistle to protect

your liver 3X per day (also 1/2 Hour prior to Chemo) also Astragulus

Tincture to  boost your immune system and protect your digestive tract.

Chamomile Tea is also good for metalic taste in the mouth. I personlly

urge to listen to your heart and do what You (not anyone else !!) thinks

is best for you. Take control of you  health, you body, your self, don't

hand it over to anyone else to control.

Take good care of your self,

surround your self with love and energy,

love, Aileen







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: John <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 02:18:09 -0600

--------

My thoughts are with you. There is a good book I believe by Susan Weed,

Breast Cancer Breast Health. I think that is the name of it. It would be

well worth your time to read.

John  jfoster@ebicom.net

-----Original Message-----

From: larry Seguine <comet@ALASKA.NET>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Sunday, February 22, 1998 1:06 AM

Subject: cancer help





>Greetings all,

>

>I haven't posted much for a while, but now I have a real problem I need

>some help with.  On Friday, I was diagnosed with breast cancer  and am

>scheduled for surgery on Wednesday the 25th.  The surgeon, in whom I

>have great faith, is not "into" herbs and alternative therapies,

>however, I did tell her I planned on 'complementing' traditional

>treatment with vitamins and herbs to help improve my immune system.  I

>won't get the full pathology report until Monday afternoon so I don't

>know a lot of the details, like type, stage, etc. yet.  The tumor itself

>is approximately 1 inch in diameter (approx. 2 cm), and I WANT IT

>OUT!!!  (Sorry for yelling.)

>

>Since I'm catching a cold...great timing, huh?...I've increased my vit c

>and e and zinc.  I've been taking SJW daily, and have also added

>echinacea.  I'm out of goldenseal...that would help, wouldn't it?  I'm

>scared to death of the chemo that will follow...I want to give what will

>be left of my immune system a boost and continue on throughout..

>

>The surgeon asked me not to add too many herbs until after the

>surgery...(she doesn't know what will react with the anesthesia (sp?)

>and/or other medications.)

>

>Another little added whammy here...I have been taking Premarin (estrogen

>replacement) since I had a total hysterectomy 6 years ago and have been

>very satisfied with it, altho I did just get a lower dosage and added 25

>mg of DHEA...seems to work fine.)  However, with the cancer, I will not

>be able to take estrogen.  I know there was a thread on this a while

>back, and I read most of the posts, but didn't save them because my plan

>was to gradually decrease the premarin and increase the DHEA.  But

>now.....all this and instant menopause all at the same time!?!?!

>

>There really aren't a lot of choices here for oncologists, but I will

>try to find one that is at least a little bit knowledgeable about herbs,

>or failing that, one who will work with me (working with you guys who

>really are knowledgeable!)

>

>Can anybody give me some suggestions for improved healing and improving

>my immune system?

>

>Judy, scared in Alaska

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:59:16 -0500

--------

Judy-



If you are located near a forest, you might try looking for ganoderma, a

large flat shelf mushroom.  I've found them in Washington state and

understand that they go pretty far north.  Ganoderma lucidum is reishi,

and has potent anti-tumor properties.  However most ganodermas which grow

in the US have similar properties.  See Christopher Hobbs' book,

Medicinal Mushrooms for more discussion and specific constituents.



If you find the mushroom, slice it up into strips and dry it.  One cup

can be made from a piece the size of a walnut, but make a whole pot at

once.  You can simmer it down into a coffee-like tea, with some

astragalus, cinamon and a bit of organic orange peel- simmer for at least

45 minutes and drink 3 cups per day of the decoction.  After the mushroom

is softened, you can put it in a blender with some of the boil water and

pulp it.  This will make more of it  available and you can reboil it.



The pulped ganoderma can be squeezed out , 2/3 discarded and simmered

down to a sludge.  The sludge can be dried like fruit leather in a food

dehydrator.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: cancer help

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:04:51 -0800

--------

-----Original Message-----

From:   Karen S Vaughan [SMTP:creationsgarden@JUNO.COM]

Sent:   Sunday, February 22, 1998 8:59 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: cancer help



Judy-



If you are located near a forest, you might try looking for ganoderma, a

large flat shelf mushroom.  I've found them in Washington state and

understand that they go pretty far north.  Ganoderma lucidum is reishi,

and has potent anti-tumor properties.  However most ganodermas which grow

in the US have similar properties.  See Christopher Hobbs' book,

Medicinal Mushrooms for more discussion and specific constituents.



If you find the mushroom, slice it up into strips and dry it.  One cup

can be made from a piece the size of a walnut, but make a whole pot at

once.  You can simmer it down into a coffee-like tea, with some

astragalus, cinamon and a bit of organic orange peel- simmer for at least

45 minutes and drink 3 cups per day of the decoction.  After the mushroom

is softened, you can put it in a blender with some of the boil water and

pulp it.  This will make more of it  available and you can reboil it.



The pulped ganoderma can be squeezed out , 2/3 discarded and simmered

down to a sludge.  The sludge can be dried like fruit leather in a food

dehydrator.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com



I ADD:-------------------------------------



BEFORE you slice up and try that mushroom PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have its

identity verified by an EXPERT (not your uncle who has a "hobby" of... not

your best friend who read a book once..).  There are many shelf mushrooms

which are POISONOUS.  The identity which prevents you from becoming

seriously ill and/or dying could be one that only an expert would be able

to determine (there are several poisonous mushrooms which have edible

"twins". The only true means of telling which is which is cell examination

under a microscope, or spore prints... both of which are better left to the

*experts*).



Also know that when collecting & eating wild mushrooms it is always a good

idea to save a major portion (at least one whole one in the case of

"smaller" mushrooms, or a big chunk of a larger specimen, ensuring you get

"stem" (if any), gills, & top surface in the sample)  in a bag in the

freezer for AT LEAST 48 - 96 hours after you have consumed it, JUST IN CASE

you made a mis-identification.  The frozen specimen could hold the clues

the medical professionals will need to save your life.



- Tera







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: larry Seguine <comet@ALASKA.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:21:27 -0900

--------

> If you are located near a forest, you might try looking for ganoderma,

> a

> large flat shelf mushroom.  I've found them in Washington state and

> understand that they go pretty far north.  Ganoderma lucidum is

> reishi,

> and has potent anti-tumor properties. <snip>



Wow!  That sounds like just what I need!  But I know zip about

mushrooms, and if they are low growing probably couldn't find them

because we still have several feet of very hard snow on the ground.  But

- how about the reishi capsules from the health food store?  Would that

work?  If so what would you recommend for a dosage?  Would it be best to

take it following surgery and before chemo and radiation?



(I'm saving the instructions tho, and will look for it this spring or

summer.  And since I have never picked any mushrooms ... except

morels...I would never eat anything I hadn't had checked by an expert)



Judy in Alaska







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:52:08 -0500

--------

Reishi capsules are fine, although expensive.  I'd start taking them now

and continue after the surgery for as long as it takes.  Plan on a

long-term committment.



You can get reishi powder from Mintong at # is 1-800 538-1333.(nci)  The

reishi powder should be taken by the tablespoon with 500 mg of vitamin C

and 5 mg of folic acid, at least 3 times a day.  The vitamins make the

long chain polysaccharides more absorbable by the body.  You can add 5 to

10% by dry weight of caterpillar fungus (cordyceps) if you are suffering

from stamina problems- they should have that too.  Take it consistently

for several months, and it will help you rebuild from the bone-marrow up,

while inhibiting the tumors.



The ganoderma "coffee" can be drunk by anyone.  It can protect you from

developing cancers.  The difference is dosage: for tumors, 1/4 cup with

the vitamins every 3 hours with a larger dose at bedtime.  For

prevention, a cup or two a day.



Get yourself a few very good mushroom identification books, and Chris

Hobbs' book, Medicinal Mushrooms, for instructions on their use.  The

ganodermas can grow quite high up on trees- they don't have gills, but a

series of pinprick-sized pores underneath.  They are flat on the top with

a somewhat roundish polypore base below.  Some have stems, but fewer here

than in the Orient.  You should look at a variety of photographs because

the forms vary somewhat.  The most effective ones have a reddish varnish

on top, which protects consituents.  And then get it positively

identified by an expert.  I've found them from the Cascades to Brooklyn.

(Morels can be harder to identify correctly though, so find an expert to

show you what it looks like in your locale.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 13:21:27 -0900 larry Seguine <comet@ALASKA.NET>

writes:

>> If you are located near a forest, you might try looking for

>ganoderma,

>> a

>> large flat shelf mushroom.  I've found them in Washington state and

>> understand that they go pretty far north.  Ganoderma lucidum is

>> reishi,

>> and has potent anti-tumor properties. <snip>

>

>Wow!  That sounds like just what I need!  But I know zip about

>mushrooms, and if they are low growing probably couldn't find them

>because we still have several feet of very hard snow on the ground.

>But

>- how about the reishi capsules from the health food store?  Would

>that

>work?  If so what would you recommend for a dosage?  Would it be best

>to

>take it following surgery and before chemo and radiation?

>

>(I'm saving the instructions tho, and will look for it this spring or

>summer.  And since I have never picked any mushrooms ... except

>morels...I would never eat anything I hadn't had checked by an expert)

>

>Judy in Alaska

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cancer help

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 16:29:53 EST

--------

Elliot,



<<Is there any reason why you would want to take black cohosh? Did you just

hear

it was good for female problems or do you have specific symptoms that you want

treated>>



I joined the thread late. I was simply interested hearing more about the

benefits/indications  of black cohosh ~ I don't know much about this herb. I

saw that it was being linked with birth control and wanted to learn why. Thank

you for taking the time to clarify.



Have a good day,

Jessyka







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: LABIATAE

From: Mark Hoemann <mhoemann@RZ.UNI-OSNABRUECK.DE>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 12:22:27 +0100

--------

Hello Melissa,



Thank you for your answers and help.





At 13:47 21.02.98 EST, you wrote:

>Dear Mark,

>

>Would you like information from books other than those you stated?  I have a

>book with some information on the Labiatae, Genus -Mentha-Lycopus-Hedeoma-

>Collinsonia-Scutellaria-Lamium

>

>The book:  American Medicinal Plants,  Charles F Millspaugh (1974)

>                This is a republication of a work entitled Medicinal Plants

>(1892)



Yes and no :-)



First: Of course I would like informations of all books and journals

concerning the Labiatae Dracocephalum, Monarda, Nepeta, Lallemantia and

Agastache.



For more genuses I have no time :-(  (this plants are more my hobby, and I

collect them. Usually I work as an horticulturist for vegetables on a farm

(organic)and if I have luck I have only a few hours at the weekend for me.



So I think your book would be very interested (specialized the Lycopos) but

cant use it for this time, sorry but thank you very much.



On the other hand it would be great if you could look after other books but

please dont spend to much time for me.

I could send you my Excel-List so that you know which literature I have

found. (72 kb as zip-file).

Yesterday I asked my administrator if I cand upload that file to the

FTP-Server so that all interested people have the ability to download it. We

will see....

  



>I forgot to mention (in previous e-mail) that I live in Oklahoma and may be

>able to locate some of the information/books from certain tribal information

>we have here.

>

>I will look in our libraries and contact a few of the tribes, they may have

>some of these books.



If you would do that I wouldnt say no ;-)



Thank you

Best regards Mark Hoemann 







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: "stuck blood"

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 18:01:37 -0600

--------

Anita,

I am curious.  What herbs do you recommend for "stuck blood"?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:12:25 -0500

--------

Lori-



"Stuck" or "Stagnant Blood" is a Chinese medical diagnosis which

poetically describes conditions where circulation may be sluggish and Qui

(vital force) is stagnant or weak.  It does not literally mean that the

blood is stuck in some part of your body.  Numbness can result from this.

 Accupuncture is very helpful, as are circulatory stimulant herbs and

exercise.



Traditional Oriental Medicine is a very complex and very real form of

medicine.  It has far more success with chronic conditions, in general,

than does allopathy.  It is also far superior at diagnosing subclinical

problems because it checks for balances within body systems.  For

instance, 6 different pulses are generally taken, each corresponding to

different body systems, and the quality of the pulse (not just the number

of beats, but the feel of the pulse- slippery, strong, etc- in a way that

only Western cardiologists get close to) is taken.  The pulses and the

condition of different parts of the tongue have been observed to

correspond to bodily imbalances.  While my MD can only diagnose when I am

sufficiently imbalanced that one of those pathogens which always occupy

our bodies multiply greatly, my accupuncturist can tell when my

imbalances may make me ripe for a respiratory infection that hasn't taken

hold yet.  And she can treat me so I don't get sick, with the result that

I no longer am sick for 4 months out of the year.



Breast cancer can be effectively treated by surgery and chemo or

accupuncture and herbs or herbal escharotic/ ennuculating salves and

detoxification regimes.  But each of those methods takes a very

experienced practicioner and serious patient compliance.  Halfway

measures don't work and can be fatal.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Sun, 22 Feb 1998 23:05:09 EST "Lori F. user" <IrightI2u@AOL.COM>

writes:

>Stuck Blood!!  Really now!  I am sorry for coming across so rude, but

people

>really!!  Herbs can, I believe help our bodies to better survive the

elements

>in which we subject ourselves to and for what we are subjected to, but

>common sense is a God given gift...USE IT!!

>

>A healthy diet...ie:  no Burger King or Taco Bell.  See a REAL doctor

for

>goodness sakes!  As a nurse, I have seen a lady die from breast cancer

>because she believed in a holistic healer...bah!  She could have faired

better

>by seeking professional medical treatment.

>

>Signed,

>Not a sucker for this nonsense.

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Bridget Kelley <MarzNymph@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 01:21:54 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-22 23:11:28 EST, you write:



<< Stuck Blood!!  Really now!  I am sorry for coming across so rude >>



Yes, you were rude.  This is not a forum for people to be judgmental about

what other people believe.  I am glad you feel so strongly about what you

personally believe, but unless you have some positive comments to offer along

the lines of medicinal plants, you should reserve them.



"Stuck blood" is a term, often called "stagnant chi" in Chinese medicine.

And, people do use common sense while reading this forum-- it is informational

only.

I am a patient of western medicine and I have seen people die because they

believed that western medicine could save them.  Since you are such a strong

proponent of traditional medicine perhaps you should not be a participant of

this "holistic" or alternative list.



B. Kelley

MarzNymph@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 10:21:37 -0000

--------

-----Original Message-----

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Monday, February 23, 1998 2:43 PM

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"





><<

> << Stuck Blood!!  Really now!  I am sorry for coming across so rude >>

>

> Yes, you were rude.  This is not a forum for people to be judgmental about

> what other people believe.  I am glad you feel so strongly about what you

> personally believe, but unless you have some positive comments to offer

along

> the lines of medicinal plants, you should reserve them.

>>>

>

>Perhaps we can learn from this exchange. That's going to be a typical

reaction

>that most people will have when hearing the term "stuck blood". The only

>difference is that it was verbalized. May I suggest that on this list even

>when talking to other herbalists another phrase be used ....such as

"sluggish

>circulation". One of the problems in using a different "system" or "model"

for

>the treatment of disease is that it doesn't sound like it has any merit (to

>say the least). This has been one of the problems in getting mainstream

>medicine to accept herbalism as valid. I'm not judging ...just pointing out

>that herbalists need to consider themselves ambassadors for the herbs at

all

>times. Occassionally that requires a sensitivity in communication that

takes

>into consideration what other people, whoever uniformed they are, may or

may

>not respond to. Just my two cents.

>

>Elliot Freeman

>

As addendum:



While I, too, was piqued by the terminology ("stuck blood") I would submit

that it is hardly my role to be involved in a criticism of anyone's choice

of words.  I think it was perfectly clear what the individual was referring

to... and there is certainly no need of demeaning any particular word

selection, nor is there any valid reason to hold so tightly to the

vocabulary that the premise of the posting is overlooked.  Sometimes each of

us (I would submit) gets a bit "stuck" for "the best" word... but if

communication is the goal, then we, as readers, have the responsibility to

get beyond the "oh, my God, what a lousy word" stuff to the meat (no offense

to the non-meat folks) of the communication.  Lighten up, folks, and work

with the substance.



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:42:31 EST

--------

<<

 << Stuck Blood!!  Really now!  I am sorry for coming across so rude >>



 Yes, you were rude.  This is not a forum for people to be judgmental about

 what other people believe.  I am glad you feel so strongly about what you

 personally believe, but unless you have some positive comments to offer along

 the lines of medicinal plants, you should reserve them.

>>



Perhaps we can learn from this exchange. That's going to be a typical reaction

that most people will have when hearing the term "stuck blood". The only

difference is that it was verbalized. May I suggest that on this list even

when talking to other herbalists another phrase be used ....such as "sluggish

circulation". One of the problems in using a different "system" or "model" for

the treatment of disease is that it doesn't sound like it has any merit (to

say the least). This has been one of the problems in getting mainstream

medicine to accept herbalism as valid. I'm not judging ...just pointing out

that herbalists need to consider themselves ambassadors for the herbs at all

times. Occassionally that requires a sensitivity in communication that takes

into consideration what other people, whoever uniformed they are, may or may

not respond to. Just my two cents.



Elliot Freeman







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:06:16 GMT

--------

On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 09:42:31 EST, Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>that most people will have when hearing the term "stuck blood". The only

>difference is that it was verbalized. May I suggest that on this list even

>when talking to other herbalists another phrase be used ....such as "sluggish

>circulation". One of the problems in using a different "system" or "model" for



If you require TCM folks to change their terminology you should also require

western herbalists to change theirs.

Say, 'fever' sounds weird  to me, so we'll call it "that red hot flushing

feeling" after this. That way we won't mix the term with plant names, like

feverfew, feverbark, fevergrass...



TCM terms are very clear to any TCM practitioner - your suggestion is overruled.

You can generally tell a TCM term by the fact that it's capitalized - Stuck

Blood.



Henriette

listmom



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      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: "H.D. Nostrum" <Drhayim@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:10:38 EST

--------

Yes it is not up to us to degrade someones choice of words we all have those

problems. Even those who degrade.



Actually historically speaking "stuck blood" refered to "blood clots", which

is "really" a form of stuck blood. I hope that is not what you have.



Good exercise, Stop intake of oils, fat, sugar and salt. Cayenne powder 3x

1/4  tsp. per day helps alot. Hot and cold showers are good. Not to be

personal - but too many orgasms per week and in upright positions could cause

such conditions.



take care



dh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:11:11 -0800

--------

At 12:10 PM 2/23/98 EST, "H.D. Nostrum" <Drhayim@AOL.COM>

 wrote:

>Yes it is not up to us to degrade someones choice of words we all have those

>problems. Even those who degrade.

>

>Actually historically speaking "stuck blood" refered to "blood clots", which

>is "really" a form of stuck blood. I hope that is not what you have.

>

>Good exercise, Stop intake of oils, fat, sugar and salt. Cayenne powder 3x

>1/4  tsp. per day helps alot. Hot and cold showers are good. Not to be

>personal - but too many orgasms per week and in upright positions could cause

>such conditions.

>

>take care

>

>dh



Stuck blood, or stagnant blood, does not refer to blood clots, and Karen

Vaughn's description is the correct one in TCM.  This term is not used in

western herbalism (at least I have not found it in my extensive studies)

and is specific to Chinese Traditional Medicine.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: "H.D. Nostrum" <Drhayim@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 15:29:05 EST

--------

Your right, you won't find "stuck blood"  in tcm or western medicine,. You are

using "Modern" sources for historical info.  forget it,  you have to go to the

"original"  sources. Unfortunately most "herbalists" are  not capable of doing

this for one reason or another.



There  are other opinions out there, that you won't find in  "traditional"

libraries.



An example would be the word Psoriae -psoriasis- Which translates as from

Psora- itch- now this word is very common in greek and latin "classics, and

used to describe  many types of skin afflictions not just Psoriasis. Yet

Modern "historians"

won't point that out.





dh.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:24:56 -0800

--------

At 03:29 PM 2/23/98 EST,  "H.D. Nostrum" <Drhayim@AOL.COM>

 wrote:

>Your right, you won't find "stuck blood"  in tcm or western medicine,. You

are

>using "Modern" sources for historical info.  forget it,  you have to go to

the

>"original"  sources. Unfortunately most "herbalists" are  not capable of

doing

>this for one reason or another.

>

>There  are other opinions out there, that you won't find in  "traditional"

>libraries.

>

>An example would be the word Psoriae -psoriasis- Which translates as from

>Psora- itch- now this word is very common in greek and latin "classics, and

>used to describe  many types of skin afflictions not just Psoriasis. Yet

>Modern "historians"

>won't point that out.

>

>

>dh.



I am familiar with psoriae, I've also seen it spelled psorae,  and you're

right, it has been translated into modern English to mean one specific skin

rash or irritation......and I do have access to *some* ancient tomes.

Could you give me a reference for the stuck blood as blood clot so that I

might explore on my own?



The problems of translation have sometimes transmitted faulty information,

I agree.  Especially so with TCM because the Chinese System of Medicine is

so seemingly foreign to the westerner.  I think we are evolving to better

grasp the differences and assimilate them, however, there is a problem with

the translations that are simply erroneous because of the translator's

misunderstanding in the first place.



Thanks for your help.



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

Genuine and Authentic Essential Oils, Herbal and Aromatherapy Products,

Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 09:36:27 -0600

--------

All you folks having problems with the term " stuck/stagnant/congealed

blood" need to go to your public library and borrow a copy of The Web That

Has No Weaver by Ted Kaptchuk.   This book does a very good job of

explaining the process of  traditional Chinese diagnosis and treatment.  My

copy first mentions it on page 42 under Disharmonies of Blood



The instant rejection I see in these posts stems from ignorance of the USE

of the term.  Understanding will give us all common ground

KB



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:36:17 -0900

--------

At 06:01 PM 2/22/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Anita,

>I am curious.  What herbs do you recommend for "stuck blood"?

>

>

There are several Chinese herbal combinations.  IT depends on your

circumstances.  However, not all ingredients may be herbal.  I don't want

to tell you what was in mine.  Sometimes it's better not to know.  I'd

recommend getting a real Chinese diagnosis and prescription, which I am not

qualified to give.  In the meantime, use some warming, drying type herbs

like Capsicum, Prickly ash bark, WHITE rice, garlic, all types of mints

might help.  You might also need some help with hormones with something

like DongQuai. Avoid cool damp foods like fruit.  Exercise is helpful.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:16:12 -0900

--------

At 11:05 PM 2/22/98 EST, you wrote:

>Stuck Blood!!  Really now!  I am sorry for coming across so rude, but people

>really!!   As a nurse, I have seen a lady die from breast cancer because

>she believed in a holistic healer...bah!  She could have faired better by

>seeking professional medical treatment.

>

>Signed,

>Not a sucker for this nonsense.

>

>

There's alot of terminology here you're going to need to learn.  This

terminology is used in Chinese medicine thousands of years old.  If you

want to stay around, learn someting.  If you want to talk about

conventional medicine, this probably isn't the place for you.



Signed,  A sucker for this stuff and proud to be one.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "stuck blood"

From: Juli Kight <castle67@CP.DULUTH.MN.US>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:50:26 -0600

--------

It's not nonsense when you watch the ravages, destruction and total breakdown of

conventional chemo and treatments for breast cancer and what that can do to

someone. For someone who believes in the holistic system, and is willing to make

the life changes for it to work, is not for us to decide or judge.

Juli Kight



Anita Hales wrote:



> At 11:05 PM 2/22/98 EST, you wrote:

> >Stuck Blood!!  Really now!  I am sorry for coming across so rude, but people

> >really!!   As a nurse, I have seen a lady die from breast cancer because

> >she believed in a holistic healer...bah!  She could have faired better by

> >seeking professional medical treatment.

> >

> >Signed,

> >Not a sucker for this nonsense.

> >

> >

> There's alot of terminology here you're going to need to learn.  This

> terminology is used in Chinese medicine thousands of years old.  If you

> want to stay around, learn someting.  If you want to talk about

> conventional medicine, this probably isn't the place for you.

>

> Signed,  A sucker for this stuff and proud to be one.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ecuadorian Herb

From: Bridget Kelley <MarzNymph@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Feb 1998 20:46:50 EST

--------

Hi



Thanks for all the advice on Poor circulation.  We'll see what happens next.



Someone was asking me if I knew about an herb from Ecaudor called Aillen/allen

(not sure on spelling).  He wants to know what it does-- it is supposed to be

a kind of cure-all.  Also if it is available in the US.



Thanks



Bridget Kelley

MarzNymph@aol.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: NEW: Apothecary - Discussion of herbal preparartion methods

From: David Campano <davecam@PRGONE.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 11:45:42 -0500

--------

At 05:13 PM 2/22/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Apothecary on apothecary-Request@wildroots.com

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ganoderma

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 12:01:06 -0500

--------

Terra-



I absolutely agree with you about proper mushroom identification.

However to the best of my knowledge, confirmed by a number of books and

Chris Hobb's seminar notes, there are no poisonous shelf  polypore

mushrooms- if you have other information please share it.  However there

are inedible woody polypores and several that one may be allergic

to(Chicken of the woods), and it is always wise to keep a piece so you

can track any reactions.  Incidentally, I have never seen allergies

attributed to ganoderma, although idosyncratic reactions are always

possible.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 07:04:51 -0800 TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM> writes:

>-----Original Message-----

>From:   Karen S Vaughan [SMTP:creationsgarden@JUNO.COM]

>Sent:   Sunday, February 22, 1998 8:59 PM

>

>BEFORE you slice up and try that mushroom PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE have

>its

>identity verified by an EXPERT (not your uncle who has a "hobby" of...

>not

>your best friend who read a book once..).  There are many shelf

>mushrooms

>which are POISONOUS.  The identity which prevents you from becoming

>seriously ill and/or dying could be one that only an expert would be

>able

>to determine (there are several poisonous mushrooms which have edible

>"twins". The only true means of telling which is which is cell

>examination

>under a microscope, or spore prints... both of which are better left

>to the

>*experts*).

>

>Also know that when collecting & eating wild mushrooms it is always a

>good

>idea to save a major portion (at least one whole one in the case of

>"smaller" mushrooms, or a big chunk of a larger specimen, ensuring you

>get

>"stem" (if any), gills, & top surface in the sample)  in a bag in the

>freezer for AT LEAST 48 - 96 hours after you have consumed it, JUST IN

>CASE

>you made a mis-identification.  The frozen specimen could hold the

>clues

>the medical professionals will need to save your life.

>

>- Tera

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: St. John's Wart

From: Pam Quinn <Pam_Quinn@JEMM.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:58:48 -0600

--------

 Is St. John's Wart used for children?  If so, how much per day?  Has

anyone noticed any adverse effects from it?



Thanks,

Pam







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wart

From: Leann Arndt <BzRvueNews@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 19:15:59 EST

--------

I just bought some for myself, Nature's Resource - 150 MG extract capsules.  I

am a 330? pound woman.  What would be my optimum dose?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wart

From: M J Hampstead <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:25:47 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-23 19:00:38 EST, you write:



<<

  Is St. John's Wart used for children?  If so, how much per day?  Has

 anyone noticed any adverse effects from it?

  >>

Pam

   What's the health issue?  SJW is used for several things.

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: CNN - FDA - Herbs

From: Susan Dowe <sdoweluv@EZNET.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:53:26 -0500

--------

Got this from the Goat mailing list.



On the CNN site there is is a list of risky 'natural' suppliments that

have been linked to health problems.  The source of this list is the

FDA.

http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9802/22/supplement.safety/index2.html

Though the list is with regards to two legged creatures, certainly

excessive use can't possibly be good for our 4 legged friends.



Rosemarie Szostak, Ph.D.

Professor

Department of Chemistry

Clark Atlanta University

(on assignment with the Army Environmental Policy Institute)





Susan

sdoweluv@eznet.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CNN - FDA - Herbs

From: Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 20:58:29 -0600

--------

Dr. Szostack & Herb List Members:



Thank you for the URL.  Very interesting indeed.  No wonder I cannot get my

hands on chapparal right now through my herb supplier.  It seems the more

people find out about herbs and alternative medicine, the more press it

gets and the special interest groups (pharamceutical companies and the AMA)

continue to attack what they probably feel is cutting into their profit

margins.



Is there a website that lists the herbs that the FDA is considering

limiting access to or banning altogether?



Thanks very much in advance.



Sincerely,



Christina Paul



sekhmet@netins.net







"Evaluate things and opportunities as you encounter them; don't be

   afraid, listen to the voices and act on them."

  "Believe in your culture, be confident, and attend to community"

- Jhon Goes in Center -  Lakota



http://www.netins.net/showcase/ankh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CNN - FDA - Herbs

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:20:45 -0600

--------

On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Susan Dowe wrote:



> Got this from the Goat mailing list.

>

> On the CNN site there is is a list of risky 'natural' suppliments that

> have been linked to health problems.  The source of this list is the

> FDA.

> http://www.cnn.com/HEALTH/9802/22/supplement.safety/index2.html

> Though the list is with regards to two legged creatures, certainly

> excessive use can't possibly be good for our 4 legged friends.

>

> Rosemarie Szostak, Ph.D.

> Professor

> Department of Chemistry

> Clark Atlanta University

> (on assignment with the Army Environmental Policy Institute)

>

>

> Susan

> sdoweluv@eznet.net

>

What do journalists know about supplements? They never report on anything

until it's too late. Take cigarettes for example. Journalists can't be

believed.



M.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: need for protein

From: Calvin Burnes <cburnes@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:56:46 -0800

--------

hello,



i have a strange symptom i wanted to share to see if anyone

else has this symptom or any ideas on how to alleviate it.



i find that it is very difficult for me to think clearly

or feel good unless i consume a very large quantity of high

quality protein each day.  i find that only certain types

of protein-based foods do it for me:  namely chicken, beef,

whey protein powder (based on milk protein), and egg protein

powders.  vegetable proteins like legumes and nuts and seeds,

even mixed all together, just don't give me the boost that

these other foods give me.  nor does fish or pork.  and i

also find that i need to eat large quantities of high quality

protein to obtain the benefits of clear thinking and strong

energy.  so i end up consuming at least 2lbs of beef or chicken

a day, which i don't think is healthy.  i have tried taking

protease-based enzymes (both plant and animal based), i have

also tried probiotics, to no avail.



does anyone else experience this?  any ideas on what might help?







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need for protein

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 22:23:22 -0600

--------

On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Calvin Burnes wrote:



> hello,

>

> i have a strange symptom i wanted to share to see if anyone

> else has this symptom or any ideas on how to alleviate it.

>

> i find that it is very difficult for me to think clearly

> or feel good unless i consume a very large quantity of high

> quality protein each day.  i find that only certain types

> of protein-based foods do it for me:  namely chicken, beef,

> whey protein powder (based on milk protein), and egg protein

> powders.  vegetable proteins like legumes and nuts and seeds,

> even mixed all together, just don't give me the boost that

> these other foods give me.  nor does fish or pork.  and i

> also find that i need to eat large quantities of high quality

> protein to obtain the benefits of clear thinking and strong

> energy.  so i end up consuming at least 2lbs of beef or chicken

> a day, which i don't think is healthy.  i have tried taking

> protease-based enzymes (both plant and animal based), i have

> also tried probiotics, to no avail.

>

> does anyone else experience this?  any ideas on what might help?

>





I think you may be addicted to the feeling of a high fat diet which keeps

blood sugar up and your appetite down. Also, you may have addictions to

certain hormones or other substances in the meats.





M.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need for protein

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:35:28 -0900

--------

At 10:23 PM 2/23/98 -0600, you wrote:

>On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, Calvin Burnes wrote:

>

>> hello,

>>

>> i have a strange symptom i wanted to share to see if anyone

>> else has this symptom or any ideas on how to alleviate it.

>>

>> i

>> also tried probiotics, to no avail.

>>

>> does anyone else experience this?  any ideas on what might help?

>>

>

>

>I think you may be addicted to the feeling of a high fat diet which keeps

>blood sugar up and your appetite down. Also, you may have addictions to

>certain hormones or other substances in the meats.

>

>

>M.

>

>

High protein is not necessarily high fat.  I'd bet this is a classic case

of hypoglycaemia.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need for protein

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:48:42 -0500

--------

Calvin-



You may be one of us "zone" diet people who need more protein.  I too get

"sparita" if I have too many carbos.  Look up William Sear's book,"

Entering the Zone".  You are not alone.  Not everyone can do well on a

macrobiotic, high carbohydrate diet.  The veggie protein sources need

other kinds of protein sources to balance out the amino acids to a form

you can absorb, and because they are lower protein per ounce, and some

unusable amino acids may be left over, they may not keep you in balance.

Also fermented bean products like miso and tempe are more likely to be

absorbed properly than unfermented bean products- this is especially true

with soy.



2 pounds per day does seem high, but your intestinal bacteria need time

to adjust for you to move away from a diet of this sort towards one with

some more balance.  So I would slowly incorporate more

vegetables(especially) and some whole grains, keeping the ratio of

carbohydrates and proteins fairly similar.  The enzymes and probiotic

supplements will help somewhat (make sure they are fresh, refrigerated

and contain a variety of organisms), but I find that eating fermented

food is far better to build up new bacteria.   Fermented foods such as

miso, yogurt, sauerkraut, pickled ginger, kim chee, blue cheese, kefir,

buttermilk and umeboshi vinegar (which has a wonderful lemon taste and

works well on beef, with garlic) can help you round out your gut bacteria

as you make a gradual transition.



In the meantime, you can minimize the negative effects of your diet by

selecting the highest quality protein from organic, non-antibiotic,

non-hormonally treated animal sources.  Game is nutritionally superior to

domesticated meat.  Beefalo is superior to beef.  Chicken grown without

hormones is better than beef. Lower fat cuts are better than high fat

cuts. Organic meat and dairy is superior to non-organic, especially if

free-range.



You don't give information on the rest of your diet or your lifestyle,

and haven't mentioned whether this high-protein diet has had any adverse

impact on your health- weight, cholesterol, heart condition, etc. If you

are large and fit, it is less of a problem than if you are smaller in

build and overweight.  If you are living in north Alaska doing physical

labor, this diet would be less problematical than if you were living in

South Florida at a desk job.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 17:56:46 -0800 Calvin Burnes <cburnes@IX.NETCOM.COM>

writes:

>hello,

>

>i have a strange symptom i wanted to share to see if anyone

>else has this symptom or any ideas on how to alleviate it.

>

>i find that it is very difficult for me to think clearly

>or feel good unless i consume a very large quantity of high

>quality protein each day.  i find that only certain types

>of protein-based foods do it for me:  namely chicken, beef,

>whey protein powder (based on milk protein), and egg protein

>powders.  vegetable proteins like legumes and nuts and seeds,

>even mixed all together, just don't give me the boost that

>these other foods give me.  nor does fish or pork.  and i

>also find that i need to eat large quantities of high quality

>protein to obtain the benefits of clear thinking and strong

>energy.  so i end up consuming at least 2lbs of beef or chicken

>a day, which i don't think is healthy.  i have tried taking

>protease-based enzymes (both plant and animal based), i have

>also tried probiotics, to no avail.

>

>does anyone else experience this?  any ideas on what might help?

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need for protein

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:30:17 -0900

--------

At 05:56 PM 2/23/98 -0800, you wrote:

>hello,

>

>i have a strange symptom i wanted to share to see if anyone

>else has this symptom or any ideas on how to alleviate it.

>

>i find that it is very difficult for me to think clearly

>or feel good unless i consume a very large quantity of high

>quality protein each day.  i find that only certain types

>of protein-based foods do it for me:  namely chicken, beef,

>whey protein powder (based on milk protein), and egg protein

>powders.  vegetable proteins like legumes and nuts and seeds,

>even mixed all together, just don't give me the boost that

>these other foods give me.  nor does fish or pork.  and i

>also find that i need to eat large quantities of high quality

>protein to obtain the benefits of clear thinking and strong

>energy.  so i end up consuming at least 2lbs of beef or chicken

>a day, which i don't think is healthy.  i have tried taking

>protease-based enzymes (both plant and animal based), i have

>also tried probiotics, to no avail.

>

>does anyone else experience this?  any ideas on what might help?

>

>

Does the term hypoglycaemia ring a bell????  Pick up the book Entering the

Zone by Barry Sears or any of another books on Low Blood sugar or Blood

sugar disorders and you may get a revelation. I hope you are also cutting

out sugars.  There's a good chance you also suffer from Candida yeast

infection as well.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need for protein

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:06:19 -0500

--------

I think spirulina is less delicious than chicken, but it mixes in yogurt

better (unless the chicken is accompanied by tandoori spices).  I take

it, as part of a green "superfood" by Crystal Star (nci- but it isn't bad

at all and is much better than caps).



Tempe is a fermented meat substitute found in the macrobiotic section of

the cooler in the health food store.



You can mess yourself up with free amino acids.  I prefer to take them

naturally, even in the single celled protein sources.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

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See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:17:13 -0700 Rosemary Anthony

<a.rosemary@MAILEXCITE.COM> writes:

>

>--- Dear Karen.

>        I think some folks must do better on a high protein diet. My

>mother in law pretty

>much lives on steak, chicken in potatoes.  She's strong as an ox and

>spends the majority

>of the day in her garden.  She never touches fruit and I doubt she has

>ever consumed

>a green vegetable that had not been cooked beyond recognition.

>        Yet here I am a basket case and I love fruits and vegetables

>fresh or only slightly

>cooked! Recently a naturopath suggested increasing my protein intake

>with miso or

>soy.  But what do you think about spirulina or free amino acids.  And

>what is tempe

>(that you mention below)?

>

>a.rosemary@mailexcite.com



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Subject: Echinacea

From: Rob Loach <robloach@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:07:14 EST

--------

Hi y'all!

I've been on "nomail" status from the herb list for a while because of

some of life's demands. I'm in the process of planning this years flower

beds and vegetable garden, and I was wondering about Echinacea. I've

heard so much about it lately, but I don't really know if it is something

that we that raise it at home can do, or if you have to have special

equipment for using Echinacea. I'm going to show my almost total

ignorance about this, but what part of the plant do you use for medicinal

usage?



I fear that during my "absence" from the list that this subject has been

kicked around almost to death. If so, please reply to my privately. If

not, I'm sure that others would like to read about the uses of Echinacea.



Thanks in advance!

Rob



Rob Loach in Greenville SC

mailto:RobLoach@juno.com

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Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:20:15 -0500

--------

Welcome back, Rob!



Echinicea purpurea is easy to grow and not too fussy about soils.

Echinicea angustifolia is harder to germinate, but will transplant well,

provided the soils are sweeter.  You can harvest the flowers and aerial

parts and tincture them in high alcohol until the root matures (3 years

or so).  The root contains polysaccharides which are destroyed by excess

alcohol.  I'd decoct the root and freeze the liquid, then tincture the

root marc with aerial parts in Everclear, and mix together so that

alcohol does not exceed 40%.



Michael Tierra says to tincture it with 80 proof vodka, a compromise

based upon the Ecclectics.  It works too.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:07:14 EST Rob Loach <robloach@JUNO.COM> writes:

>Hi y'all!

>I've been on "nomail" status from the herb list for a while because of

>some of life's demands. I'm in the process of planning this years

>flower beds and vegetable garden, and I was wondering about Echinacea.

>I've heard so much about it lately, but I don't really know if it is

>something that we that raise it at home can do, or if you have to have

>special equipment for using Echinacea. I'm going to show my almost

>total ignorance about this, but what part of the plant do you use for

>medicinal usage?

>

>I fear that during my "absence" from the list that this subject has

>been kicked around almost to death. If so, please reply to my

>privately. If not, I'm sure that others would like to read about the

>uses of Echinacea.

>

>Thanks in advance!

>Rob

>

>Rob Loach in Greenville SC

>mailto:RobLoach@juno.com

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Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: "Tamara D. Leonard" <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:36:16 EST

--------

Echinacea is one of my favorite herbs.  It is wonderful for a landscape plant,

bees and butterflies love it.  Personally, I believe it is one of the safest

herbs to take medicinally as all plant parts are usable.  It is the first

plant that I experimented with in making my own tinctures because of its

safeness.



Have a great HERBAL day!

Tamara D. Leonard



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: "A. Cook" <Mumbun@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:03:37 EST

--------

Regarding Echinacea, is it safe to take it when breastfeeding?  I don't take

anything when breastfeeding but feel I could really use Echinacea,

particularly when I feel I'm catching a cold.





Amy

London, England







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: Barbara Birkinbine <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:34:55 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 11:38:48 EST, you write:



<<  It is the first

 plant that I experimented with in making my own tinctures because of its

 safeness. >>



What techniques or equipment do most people use to prepare echinacea for

tincturing?  There is usually alot of discussion about the menstruum alcohol

content, but I'm curious about the physical preparation of the herb prior to

adding the alcohol.  How do you clean the root after digging?  Does it have to

be scrubbed?  In getting it clean of dirt do you sacrifice all those small

rootlets that hold so much dirt and concentrate on the main tap root?  What

device do you use to cut it up and how small do you leave the pieces?  Do most

people tincture the dried or fresh root?



Also, does anyone know of a small cut and sift device manufacturer?  I want to

price one that can be used on a medium scale- not for home use but not for

Celestial Seasonings (nci) either :)



Thanks for your responses.



Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

Grower of Medicinal Herbs

OakCamp@aol.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Where the herbs are beginning to break dormancy and the greenhouse is in full

swing

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: M J Hampstead <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:35:31 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 03:06:16 EST, you write:



<< nd I was wondering about Echinacea. I've

 heard so much about it lately, but I don't really know if it is something

 that we that raise it at home can do, or if you have to have special

 equipment for using Echinacea.  >>

Echinacea is a very hardy perennial herb commonly called purple coneflower, a

native to the Midwest. It is easy to grow from plants from your nursery or

from seed which needs chilling to germinate.

Although all parts of coneflower have nmedicinal properties, most use the root

which takes about 3 years to reach harvestable size. When you use the root,

you kill the plants. I use all parts... the leaves, flowers, seeds, stems as

well as the root.

   My gardening tip of the year... GREEN SIDE UP!

MJH







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea

From: donna misseres <cayus@WEBTV.NET>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:08:57 -0800

--------

Does anyone have any information on raising Echinacea in the coastal

Pacific Northwest.  It rains a LOT here and my plant isn't doing well.

Is it the rain or just me?







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort for Children

From: Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:10:58 -0600

--------

At 05:58 PM 2/23/1998 -0600, you wrote:

> Is St. John's Wart used for children?  If so, how much per day?  Has

>anyone noticed any adverse effects from it?





Hi Pam:



I have had my son,  who is now ten years old on two standard capsules per

day of St. John's Wort.  He takes one in the morning  and one at night

before he goes to bed.  He was diagnosed with ADD, and bi-polar disorder

(manic depression) runs in my husband's side of the family.



My son has actually markedly improved in school and we have noticed a

difference in how he reacts with people.  He was far more confrontational

and really down on himself.  Actually its probably more complex than what I

can go into here, but I have not noticed any adverse effects from it over

the past month and a half that he has been on it.  He had been on Ritalin

and after four years of fighting like hell with doctors and especially the

school system, we finally got him off!  (Yesssss!!!!) My son's doctor when

she pulled him off of Ritalin, wanted me to put him on Welbutrin instead of

the St. John's Wort, because in Her opinion, the effects of this herb are

not "proven".



I havent filled the script yet, I just got it last week, and Im not sure I

want to tamper with the non-pharmaceutical success that we have had.



Christina Paul



sekhmet@netins.net











"Evaluate things and opportunities as you encounter them; don't be

   afraid, listen to the voices and act on them."

  "Believe in your culture, be confident, and attend to community"

- Jhon Goes in Center -  Lakota



http://www.netins.net/showcase/ankh







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort for Children

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 00:16:22 -0500

--------

I'd keep him on it and forget the Wellbutrin unless it stops working. The

herb is very well studdied, and you can refer her to www.hypericum.com.

Don't let the doctor give you a nocebo (reverse placebo) effect!



 I have started my  7 year old son on it, with nettles and vege caps for

a moodswing/learning disability issue.  Have seen no ill effects in the 3

weeks since he started.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:10:58 -0600 Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

writes:



> My son's doctor when

>she pulled him off of Ritalin, wanted me to put him on Welbutrin

>instead of

>the St. John's Wort, because in Her opinion, the effects of this herb

>are not "proven".

>

>I havent filled the script yet, I just got it last week, and Im not sure

I

>want to tamper with the non-pharmaceutical success that we have had.

>

>Christina Paul

>

>sekhmet@netins.net

>

>

>

>

>

>"Evaluate things and opportunities as you encounter them; don't be

>   afraid, listen to the voices and act on them."

>  "Believe in your culture, be confident, and attend to community"

>- Jhon Goes in Center -  Lakota

>

>http://www.netins.net/showcase/ankh

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort for Children

From: Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 11:26:49 -0000

--------

Folks...

Amidst all the discussion regarding St. John's Wort we seemingly continue to

re-cycle to the "photosensitivity" issue.  I believe there is sufficient

indication that the photosensitivity concerns stemmed from observations upon

some British sheep which were turn out into a pasturage overgrown by SJW.

Forced to eat this and little else, photosensitivity issues were noted...

and, apparently, in some cattle as well.  However, there would seem to be

little reason for concern regarding this in humans and, if one is in the

northern hemisphere, almost no concern during the winter months... (which is

when most folks take the SJW for depressive symptoms including SAD.



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net







-----Original Message-----

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Tuesday, February 24, 1998 3:13 PM

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort for Children





>Karen & Pam & Christina:

>

>The one thing I would worry about in regard to giving SJW to children is

>that it often triggers photosensitivity. I think this could be a major

>point in the case of children.  I'm not sure how it manifests itself (ie do

>you blister when you're exposed to sun?  do you get an itchy rash?  or are

>you just more prone to sunburn?  I don't know).

>

>- T.

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From:   Karen S Vaughan [SMTP:creationsgarden@JUNO.COM]

>Sent:   Monday, February 23, 1998 9:16 PM

>To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

>Subject:        Re: St. John's Wort for Children





<further snipped>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort for Children

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:11:54 -0800

--------

Karen & Pam & Christina:



The one thing I would worry about in regard to giving SJW to children is

that it often triggers photosensitivity. I think this could be a major

point in the case of children.  I'm not sure how it manifests itself (ie do

you blister when you're exposed to sun?  do you get an itchy rash?  or are

you just more prone to sunburn?  I don't know).



- T.



-----Original Message-----

From:   Karen S Vaughan [SMTP:creationsgarden@JUNO.COM]

Sent:   Monday, February 23, 1998 9:16 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: St. John's Wort for Children



I'd keep him on it and forget the Wellbutrin unless it stops working. The

herb is very well studdied, and you can refer her to www.hypericum.com.

Don't let the doctor give you a nocebo (reverse placebo) effect!



 I have started my  7 year old son on it, with nettles and vege caps for

a moodswing/learning disability issue.  Have seen no ill effects in the 3

weeks since he started.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:10:58 -0600 Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

writes:



> My son's doctor when

>she pulled him off of Ritalin, wanted me to put him on Welbutrin

>instead of

>the St. John's Wort, because in Her opinion, the effects of this herb

>are not "proven".

>

>I havent filled the script yet, I just got it last week, and Im not sure

I

>want to tamper with the non-pharmaceutical success that we have had.

>

>Christina Paul

>

>sekhmet@netins.net

>

>

>

>

>

>"Evaluate things and opportunities as you encounter them; don't be

>   afraid, listen to the voices and act on them."

>  "Believe in your culture, be confident, and attend to community"

>- Jhon Goes in Center -  Lakota

>

>http://www.netins.net/showcase/ankh

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort for Children

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:42:08 -0900

--------

At 07:11 AM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote:

>Karen & Pam & Christina:

>

>The one thing I would worry about in regard to giving SJW to children is

>that it often triggers photosensitivity. I think this could be a major

>point in the case of children.  I'm not sure how it manifests itself (ie do

>you blister when you're exposed to sun?  do you get an itchy rash?  or are

>you just more prone to sunburn?  I don't know).

>

>

You have to take ALOT of Hypericum to get a photosensitive reaction.  They

are rare.  Perhaps some have access to more information than I do but

photosensitivity was recorded in COWS grazing on the herb, not humans.

Some humans, however, when given extracts of the herb (hypericin) DID

develop photosensitivity when given the extract for treatment of AIDS.

Some genetic backgrounds may be more sensitive than others.  At any rate, a

regular dose for either children or adults should NOT cause

photosensitivity except in the rare cases.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort for Children

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:38:17 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 03:06:59 EST, you write:



<< He was diagnosed with ADD, and bi-polar disorder

 (manic depression) runs in my husband's side of the family >>

    Sometimes SJW is not advised for bipolar, be careful.

     Jean Carper's book, Miracle Cures talks glowingly about fish oil and/or

grape seed oil for ADD. I use both and it helps.

MJH







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort for Children

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:45:40 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-25 15:42:23 EST, you write:



<< In a message dated 98-02-24 03:06:59 EST, you write:



 << He was diagnosed with ADD, and bi-polar disorder

  (manic depression) runs in my husband's side of the family >>

     Sometimes SJW is not advised for bipolar, be careful.

      Jean Carper's book, Miracle Cures talks glowingly about fish oil and/or

 grape seed oil for ADD. I use both and it helps.

 MJH

  >>



I ADD:



Unfortunately at this time St. Johns Wort is not indicated for bipolar

disorder.  This is an area that will need treating from the lithium family,

but there is a homeopathic remedy made from lithium that has been very helpful

to these patients.  Only in the depressive phase do they find these patients

are depleted in monoamines; for the manic phase more needs to be seen.  The

lithium alters the manic-depressive cycles and gives them a mood stability.



The Journal of Orthomolecular Psychiatry (1979) reported that manic-

depressives

had deficiencies of the B-complex vitamins and that they improved with B-12

injections and B vitamins which seem to have a lithium-effect on the brain.

Please be sure to check with your doctor before adding anything to what he has

prescribed.  There is a delicate balance that needs to be found for each

patient.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: OT and a bit of a rant on  CNN - FDA - Herbs

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Feb 1998 23:17:21 -0800

--------

Mike ponderously posed:



What do journalists know about supplements? They never report on anything

until it's too late. Take cigarettes for example. Journalists can't be

believed.



M.





Well, Mike... what would you suggest as an alternative?



Further, if you knew the history of cigarettes, tobacco, its uses, AND

abuses you would realize just how far short of the mark your own statement

is.  It was reported in "the press" of the time that the scoundrel Raliegh

had obtained some noxious weed from those heathens over there in that

god-forsaken wilderness.  It was supposed (and just as quickly IGNORED by

the PUBLIC) that it couldn't POSSIBLY be healthy.



Journalists report on things as soon as they learn of them.  Granted, some

work for papers/journals that don't "have a market" for whatever news and

therefore an editor will blue-pencil it, back-end it, or otherwise give it

short shrift.  Yet, there are papers (who employ ... yes   you guessed

it... JOURNALISTS) that target the "weirdo flakey nuts, flakes, oat bran &

high colonic crowd" (as it was once described to me by an editor of the

Chicago Tribune).



NEWS is NEWS no matter WHAT venue it comes from. It *WILL* be reported.

 This is America. (well at least that's where I am). News SELLS.  Granted,

if "it bleeds, it leads" has higher precedence in most papers than "wonder

cure found in rare plant species" but believe me, newspapers want to sell

as many papers as possible.



If Journalists are not to be believed, who WOULD you suppose is to be

believed?  Every whacko who puts forth any "truth" on the Internet?  And

who would you suppose should refute & provide substantiation to the

theories and hypotheses submitted to you as *FACT* ? Hmmmm?



The *FACT*, Mike, is that Journalism has done this country more good than

damn near ANY OTHER profession our great country has fostered.  Without

free flow of ideas & nationwide communication there can be no development,

no education, no continuation of ideas, ideals & fancies.



Printing things on hard copy, putting your money behind them, and then

allowing the public to digest & regurgitate the words your paid journalists

have written says a lot for the belief the Publishers have in their paid

employees. We, the public, may then argue, write letters in rebuttal and

even take up our own research into the facts and seek out publication (the

latter being a more refined & arduous method then merely penning a letter

to the editor).





- Tera

<who, as you may have guessed, worked as a <gasp> JOURNALIST once upon a

time>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CNN - FDA - Herbs/tobacco jounalism

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:41:19 -0500

--------

mike wrote-

>What do journalists know about supplements? They never report on anything

>until it's too late. Take cigarettes for example. Journalists can't be

>believed.





If you are really interested in the history of tobacco and a journalist WHO

DID tell the truth about tobacco, I suggest you investigate the life of

journalist George Seldes, who died a few years ago at the age of 104.  I saw

a documentary about this anti-tobacco crusader called 'Tell the Truth and

Run', and I suggest that you do the same.  This documentary was nominated

for an Oscar recently but I bet that few heard about it.  A few web sites to

tell you more:



http://www.e-media.com/seldes/sol.html



http://www.e-media.com/seldes/sother.html



http://www.mdle.com/holhut2.htm



Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Sugar cravings/needs

From: Mrning Dew <mrningdew@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 10:31:28 -0700

--------

Hello all!



Lurker here.



Question on needs for sugar.  For the past several months I have had an increased

need for sugar, mostly in the afternoon.  I love Snickers, but for some reason I

have begun to eat more sweets every day than I have in the past.  I seem to remember

something on the list some long time ago about something my body is trying to  tell

me.  I'm 51, female.  Any help?



Thanks!



Lynn

Lompico, Ca.









Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!

http://www.mailexcite.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sugar cravings/needs

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:46:57 -0900

--------

At 10:31 AM 2/24/98 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello all!

>

>Lurker here.

>

>Question on needs for sugar.  For the past several months I have had an

increased

>need for sugar, mostly in the afternoon.  I love Snickers, but for some

reason I

>have begun to eat more sweets every day than I have in the past.  I seem

to remember

>something on the list some long time ago about something my body is trying

to  tell

>me.  I'm 51, female.  Any help?

>

>Thanks!

>

>Lynn

>Lompico, Ca.

>

>

>

>

>Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!

>http://www.mailexcite.com

>

>

Be very careful.  Have your blood sugar checked for both diabetes and

hypoglycaemia.  Above all AVOID eating excessive sugar.  Instead of that

Snickers bar, grab some Jerky or a few nuts.  Drink some water as well.  DO

NOT SKIP MEALS EVER!!!!  Make sure you get some protein with each meal.  Go

get the Zone books by Barry Sears.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: OT and a bit of a rant on CNN - FDA - Herbs

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 12:30:30 -0600

--------

On Mon, 23 Feb 1998, TeraGram wrote:



> Mike ponderously posed:

>

> What do journalists know about supplements? They never report on anything

> until it's too late. Take cigarettes for example. Journalists can't be

> believed.

>

> M.

>

>

> Well, Mike... what would you suggest as an alternative?

>

> Further, if you knew the history of cigarettes, tobacco, its uses, AND

> abuses you would realize just how far short of the mark your own statement

> is.  It was reported in "the press" of the time that the scoundrel Raliegh

> had obtained some noxious weed from those heathens over there in that

> god-forsaken wilderness.  It was supposed (and just as quickly IGNORED by

> the PUBLIC) that it couldn't POSSIBLY be healthy.



If you knew the history of journalism and the politics involved, you

wouldn't say that.



>

> Journalists report on things as soon as they learn of them.  Granted, some

> work for papers/journals that don't "have a market" for whatever news and

> therefore an editor will blue-pencil it, back-end it, or otherwise give it

> short shrift.  Yet, there are papers (who employ ... yes   you guessed

> it... JOURNALISTS) that target the "weirdo flakey nuts, flakes, oat bran &

> high colonic crowd" (as it was once described to me by an editor of the

> Chicago Tribune).





Journalism is all about making meoney, not reporting the news.



>

> NEWS is NEWS no matter WHAT venue it comes from. It *WILL* be reported.

>  This is America.



This is Canada and it is just as currupt.



 (well at least that's where I

am). News SELLS.  Granted,

> if "it bleeds, it leads" has higher precedence in most papers than "wonder

> cure found in rare plant species" but believe me, newspapers want to sell

> as many papers as possible.





That's why reporters care about the Clinton affair right? It is

important? I dont think so.

>

> If Journalists are not to be believed, who WOULD you suppose is to be

> believed?  Every whacko who puts forth any "truth" on the Internet?  And

> who would you suppose should refute & provide substantiation to the

> theories and hypotheses submitted to you as *FACT* ? Hmmmm?

>

Of course not but journalism doenst have a chance.





> The *FACT*, Mike, is that Journalism has done this country more good than

> damn near ANY OTHER profession our great country has fostered.  Without

> free flow of ideas & nationwide communication there can be no development,

> no education, no continuation of ideas, ideals & fancies.





There is no free flow of ideas. It is all lobbying from your country and

mine and the powers that be are all bought off.



>

> Printing things on hard copy, putting your money behind them, and then

> allowing the public to digest & regurgitate the words your paid journalists

> have written says a lot for the belief the Publishers have in their paid

> employees. We, the public, may then argue, write letters in rebuttal and

> even take up our own research into the facts and seek out publication (the

> latter being a more refined & arduous method then merely penning a letter

> to the editor).

>



You sound like you are a journalist who has bought into the false system.



>

> - Tera

> <who, as you may have guessed, worked as a <gasp> JOURNALIST once upon a

> time>

>

I couldn't have guessed. :)



M.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Endangered herbs

From: Graham White <hendongreen@GN.APC.ORG>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:42:00 GMT

--------

Could someone point me to the location of the list of endangered herb species?



Thanks



ps. I've been off-list for some time due to time pressures - what ever

happened to Paul?







Graham White

------------



hendongreen@gn.apc.org

gw035@mdx.ac.uk







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Endangered herbs

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:58:27 -0500

--------

Graham,

  Not sure of the exact site you are looking for...but if you check

your local "Heritage Program Database" this is a good start; call

your local AG extension or Native plant society for the means to

locate them.



Also, Plantsavers is dedicated to ethical wildcrafting and saving

endangered plants...and Howie Brounstein has an excellent website.



Hope this helps...and please let ME know...what other info you find.



Linda







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Endangered herbs

From: Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:03:20 -0600

--------

At 06:42 PM 2/24/1998 GMT, you wrote:

>Could someone point me to the location of the list of endangered herb

species?

>

>Thanks

>





I have an address that someone gave me there are some of the endangered

plants on it and ways that we can help save them.



        http://www.plantsavers.org/  (No commercial interest - just forwarding a

resource)



Hope that helps. :)



Christina Paul



http://www.plantsavers.org/





http://www.netins.net/showcase/ankh







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Endangered herbs

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:53:31 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 14:08:31 EST, you write:



<< Could someone point me to the location of the list of endangered herb

 species? >>



Try doing a search for "United Plant Savers"  This an organization which has

been organized by all of illuminaries on the planet that have anything to do

with herbs.  Rosemary Gladstar is the president, Christopher Hobbs, David

Hoffman, Pam Montgomery etc, etc, etc are active board members - great group -

doing great things - they just recently published the updated list of

endangered species and if my memory serves me correctly it is also at the web

site. http://www.plantsavers.org/



if not just ask - they will either e-mail it or send it - I would also suggest

that anyone with a couple of bucks to spare that has a love of herbs should

join the organization.  lots of info comes your way and it makes it possible

to continue to get the word out about the plants that are endangered and

nearing extinction.

peter







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Endangered herbs

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:14:33 GMT

--------

On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 00:53:31 EST, Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>In a message dated 98-02-24 14:08:31 EST, you write:

><< Could someone point me to the location of the list of endangered herb

> species? >>

>

>Try doing a search for "United Plant Savers"  This an organization which has

>been organized by all of illuminaries on the planet that have anything to do

>with herbs.  Rosemary Gladstar is the president, Christopher Hobbs, David

>Hoffman, Pam Montgomery etc, etc, etc are active board members - great group -

>doing great things - they just recently published the updated list of

>endangered species and if my memory serves me correctly it is also at the web

>site. http://www.plantsavers.org/



However, the United Plant Savers (UPS) has doubtful lists of endangered species.

You might be better off going to your extension service or whatever and asking

them which plants are in danger in YOUR state (this for 'mercans; I know where

to get lists of endangered species for Finland and expect folks from other

contries know where to get theirs).

For example, the UPS list lists Echinacea without saying in which state, or

which species of Ech... some of the plants on their list are in danger

throughout the US, others just in some states; and they do not mention in which

states... in their fall 97 newsletter they state they are working in a revised

version. You -should- wait for that.

The one they have now is of doubtful value.



Henriette



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      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 13:53:28 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-23 19:00:31 EST, you write:



<< Is St. John's Wart used for children?  If so, how much per day?  Has

 anyone noticed any adverse effects from it?



 Thanks,

 Pam



  >>

I ADD:



There is some discussion over when not to use SJW, but here are some

guidelines I have accumulated over the past year -



Do not use if:



1.  Pregnancy - since taking some remedies can cause birth defects there have

been no reports of it in pregnancy using SJW but there are also no studies yet

- so err on the side of caution.



2.  Nursing women and children under 12 - again no studies have been done yet.

Since the metabolism of children is different from that of adults, until we

know more it's not worth the risk.



3.  People with liver or kidney disease should only receive this herb under

close, medical supervision.  They are the disposal system for the body and if

they are not working properly remedies can build up and the body can reach

toxic levels.



4.  Peopel with heart failure or high blood pressure - again you should

discuss with your doctor.  In Germany it is considered to be safe because they

are discounting the MAO effects of this herb.  But they are cautioning to have

your blood pressure checked and again stay away from foods containing

tyramines.



5.  Do not take SJW if you are on the following medications:



antidepressants; antipsychotics; lithium; diet pills; nasal congestants;

medicines for hay fever and/or asthma; illicit drugs; amino acid supplements

including phenylalanine and tyrosine.



I realize there will be folks out there who have taken SJW with some of the

above, but this is just a general guideline on the side of caution.  It is one

I go by.  You will need to check with your health care professional for

specific instructions on taking this herb.  They will need to do a history,

physical, and evaluation of your condition before beginning to suggest the

proper treatment.  Parents should especially have their children evaluated by

a professional before trying any herbal product over the counter.



Source:



Zuess, Jonathan, M.D.  *The Natural Prozac Program.*  NY:  Three Rivers Press,

1997.  ISBN #0-609-80152-X.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: Leann Arndt <BzRvueNews@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:30:43 EST

--------

Would Dt. John's Wort have any effect on hypersensitivity to hot foods?  When

I eat jalepeno peppers my lips will itch and swell.  After taking St. John's

Wort this seems to be slightly exaggerated.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 15:51:51 -0900

--------

At 02:30 PM 2/24/98 EST, you wrote:

>Would Dt. John's Wort have any effect on hypersensitivity to hot foods?  When

>I eat jalepeno peppers my lips will itch and swell.  After taking St. John's

>Wort this seems to be slightly exaggerated.

>

>

If you get such a reaction from the peppers why on earth are you eating

them???  Did you know that FRESH Jalapenos are less likely than canned or

pickled to cause problems?  The older they are the HOTTER they are.

Perhaps you just got an "older" batch.  AT any rate, if you're getting

those types of reactions, you've got no business eating them.  If your lips

and mouth are suffering so, think about the rest of your body.  There's

nothing macho in hurting yourself, go learn the Macarena instead.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:54:41 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 13:56:04 EST, you write:



<< 5.  Do not take SJW if you are on the following medications:



 antidepressants; antipsychotics; lithium; diet pills; nasal congestants;

 medicines for hay fever and/or asthma; illicit drugs; amino acid supplements

 including phenylalanine and tyrosine.

  >>



Would it be possible for you to explain to me why you shouldn't take SJW while

you are taking diet pills and/or hay fever pills? I'm currently taking

Claritin as my allergies call for it ~ I"m trying to avoid the use of this med

by using nettles. I'm also taking phentermine for 4 weeks to jump start a

weight loss program I'm on.



Thanks for the info,

Jessyka Chompff







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:06:29 -0900

--------

>you are taking diet pills and/or hay fever pills? I'm currently taking

>Claritin as my allergies call for it ~ I"m trying to avoid the use of this

med

>by using nettles.



There's some good homeopathic type treatments for allergies.  An ND should

be able to give you anti-allergenic drops to desensitize you so you no

longer have symptoms.  I've seen this literally save a woman's life.  But

you should see a professional for it.



I'm also taking phentermine for 4 weeks to jump start a

>weight loss program I'm on.



It makes me sad to see drugs used for weight loss.  I hope you have been

warned of the side effects of this drug.  Go down to your pharmacy and ask

for the real list of side effects or better yet the paper that comes in the

drug box.  You might change your mind about using this.  The so called

"herbal phen" products are little better.  Remember you have only one heart

and these things damage it.  IMHO, MDs who prescribe this dangerous

prescriptions should have to take their own medicine for a while, then we'd

see how fast it was taken off the market.

Being overweight is a terrible thing.  We try all sorts of desperate

measures to take it off.  Believe me it's so much better to take it off

slow with a well managed diet plan rather than using the drugs.  There are

ways to avoid the hunger and other pitfalls without them.  I hope you will

find another way.

>

>Thanks for the info,

>Jessyka Chompff

>

>

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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: Denise M Hein <Itsmepanda@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 19:55:04 EST

--------

I would be interested in why SJW should not be taken when taking L-Tyrosine...



Thank you in advance!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:29:56 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 19:00:46 EST, you write:



<< Would it be possible for you to explain to me why you shouldn't take SJW

while

 you are taking diet pills and/or hay fever pills? I'm currently taking

 Claritin as my allergies call for it ~ I"m trying to avoid the use of this

med

 by using nettles. I'm also taking phentermine for 4 weeks to jump start a

 weight loss program I'm on.



 Thanks for the info,

 Jessyka Chompff



  >>



I ADD:



No problem.  Again we're looking for caution here.



Diet pills, some nasal decongestants (some cold and flu mixtures also) or meds

for hay fever and asthma may contain monoamines which can possibly interact

with SJW.  If they do it can result in high blood pressure.  Certain asthma

meds though like cromolyn sodium and steroid inhalers are o.k. to take with

SJW - but again check with your doctor or practitioner first to let them know

of your plans.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:33:59 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 20:05:39 EST, you write:



<< I would be interested in why SJW should not be taken when taking L-

Tyrosine...



 Thank you in advance!

  >>



I ADD:



Amino acid supplements such as tyrosine are a form of monoamines which can be

dangerous when mixed with St. Johns.  Incidentally the monoamines you get in a

normal diet are less concentrated and not as hazardous however.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 18:22:02 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 20:13:19 EST, you write:



<< It makes me sad to see drugs used for weight loss.  I hope you have been

 warned of the side effects of this drug.  Go down to your pharmacy and ask

 for the real list of side effects or better yet the paper that comes in the

 drug box.   >>



Anita,



I have a good understanding of the how's why's and what maybe's of

phentermine. It is the combination of pondimin (sp?) and phentermine that

strains the heart and can cause damage to the heart valves. One thing that

often gets left out of discussions about these drugs and the damage they can

cause is the possibility that the people who have reported valve problems may

have had them all along. Most people don't have tests run on their hearts

unless something is already suspected. The people who report heart damage

could very well have had the weakness before starting the meds. Another

important issue is the length of treatment. Most of the individuals who

reported damage had been taking the drugs for extended periods of time. You

also need to factor in the dosage - again, most reported difficulties were

from those taking larger amounts of the phen phen combination. Additionally,

you need to weigh the pros and cons of each situation. It is possible that the

extra weight a person carries around could be of more potential harm than the

possible risks associated with phentermine. I am not saying that phentermine

is the best way to lose weight. I'm simply saying that lots of people base

opinions on only a tiny amount of the available information.



I have had my heart checked (all clear) and have made the decision to use the

phentermine for a short period of time. My goal is that being on the med

(having my hunger curbed) will help me ease into the habit of eating when I'm

hungry and not for emotional comfort. This is working. I have already begun to

cut back on the meds while increasing the amount of exercise I get each day.

My heart rate and blood pressure have remained at healthy levels the entire

time. My weight loss has been slow (about 1 lb a week) and I believe I made

the right choice for myself. I have lost about 8 lbs and have another 10 to

go.



I bristle when I hear people making blanket statments... Everyone is different

and we all have the responsibility of keeping ourselves educated so that we

are able to take care of our bodies. Herbs/drugs/diets/foods that work for

some may not be safe/healthy for others, but that doesn't make the

herb/drug/diet/food bad.



One last thing... my original question was never answered in your post. I

asked the group why SJW shouldn't be taken while on allergy &/or diet

medications. If anyone knows -I'd love to hear.



Thanks for letting me vent,



Jessyka Chompff

Bekula@aol.com

Sunnyvale,California







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 22:59:31 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-25 21:45:20 EST, you write:



<< You

 also need to factor in the dosage - again, most reported difficulties were

 from those taking larger amounts of the phen phen combination. Additionally,

 you need to weigh the pros and cons of each situation. It is possible that

the

 extra weight a person carries around could be of more potential harm than the

 possible risks associated with phentermine. I am not saying that phentermine

 is the best way to lose weight. I'm simply saying that lots of people base

 opinions on only a tiny amount of the available information. >>



I ADD:



A couple of points here:



First of all phen-fen a combination of two drugs:  fastin or ionamin and

fenfluramine.  Many doctors began to prescribe them together but they were

never meant by the drug companies to be combined - problem number one - nobody

knew about synergy here.



There have been serious lung problems and some hospitals have cancelled or

postponed surgeries because of the reduced lung capacity of some of the

patients on these drugs.  Very serious indeed!



There have also been heart valve complications which have disabeled people

terribly.



The patient print-outs when these drugs were available said they were for

people who were "morbidly obese" yet I never saw one patient come into our

pharmacy to get their prescription who were morbidly obese - these were

cosmetic assistants for a lot of people!  NEVER did a really obese person come

in for these drugs from us - maybe somewhere else, but not from us.



You can't argue when the Mayo Clinic stops procedures and finds lung and heart

valve damage.  It's just not worth putting something like that into your body.



I firmly believe that there is no short and fast way to loose weight.  It

takes grit and time.  It takes a well balanced program of gradual exercise,

along with proper nutrition, diet, vitamin and mineral therapy all under a

practitioner's supervision!



We need to take responsibility for everything we take into our bodies from

chemicals to food to water.  Please don't buy into the "this diet/drug" will

work program.  It never does!



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: "Mary Conley, MNH" <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 23:04:46 EST

--------

SECOND POST - First posted 2/24/98 11:00 p.m.



<< In a message dated 98-02-24 19:00:46 EST, you write:



 << Would it be possible for you to explain to me why you shouldn't take SJW

while

  you are taking diet pills and/or hay fever pills? I'm currently taking

  Claritin as my allergies call for it ~ I"m trying to avoid the use of this

med

  by using nettles. I'm also taking phentermine for 4 weeks to jump start a

  weight loss program I'm on.



  Thanks for the info,

  Jessyka Chompff



   >>



 I ADD:



 No problem.  Again we're looking for caution here.



 Diet pills, some nasal decongestants (some cold and flu mixtures also) or

meds for hay fever and asthma may contain monoamines which can possibly

interact with SJW.  If they do it can result in high blood pressure.  Certain

asthma meds though like cromolyn sodium and steroid inhalers are o.k. to take

with SJW - but again check with your doctor or practitioner first to let them

know of your plans.



 In health -

 Mary Conley, MNH

 Herbgrow30@aol.com >>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: Jess P <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:05:23 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-25 23:55:28 EST, you write:



<< First of all phen-fen a combination of two drugs:  fastin or ionamin and

 fenfluramine.  Many doctors began to prescribe them together but they were

 never meant by the drug companies to be combined - problem number one -

nobody

 knew about synergy here.>>



I believe that is what I said.



<<There have been serious lung problems and some hospitals have cancelled or

 postponed surgeries because of the reduced lung capacity of some of the

 patients on these drugs.>>



Were these patients taking the combination of the two drugs?



<<There have also been heart valve complications which have disabeled people

 terribly.>>



I believe I stated this in my first post.



<<You can't argue when the Mayo Clinic stops procedures and finds lung and

heart

valve damage.>>



Once again, aren't we talking about the combination of the two drugs?



<<I firmly believe that there is no short and fast way to loose weight.  It

takes grit and time.  It takes a well balanced program of gradual exercise,

along with proper nutrition, diet, vitamin and mineral therapy all under a

practitioner's supervision!>>



Maybe you didn't READ my letter. If you really had you would have seen that

most of your comments were included in that post.



<<We need to take responsibility for everything we take into our bodies from

chemicals to food to water.  Please don't buy into the "this diet/drug" will

work program.  It never does>>



Never is a blanket statment and using it is a good way to prove yourself

wrong.





Thank you,



Jessyka Chompff

Bekula@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:28:56 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 23:13:00 EST, you write:



<< Amino acid supplements such as tyrosine >>

How bout L-lysine which I take along with SJW?  I take a good dose of SJW

instead of Paxil or other such stuff  MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort - when not to use

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 15:00:23 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 20:13:40 EST, you write:



<<  Believe me it's so much better to take it off

 slow with a well managed diet plan rather than using the drugs.  There are

 ways to avoid the hunger and other pitfalls without them.  I hope you will

 find another way. >>

Anite-

Do you think chitin fiber might be helpful to Jessyka?

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort for Children-Photosensitivity

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:30:05 -0500

--------

Terra-



As far as I know the only photosensitivity cases in humans taking SJW

occurred with people already on meds that increased photosensitivity, and

one or two cases where people were taking AIDS dosages, which may be 30

or more times higher than for a depression/ADD dose.



Photosensitivity shows itself as increased succeptibility to sunburn and

the "cure" is to stay out of the sun or to decrease the dosage.  It is a

problem with sheep and cattle who graze on the fresh stuff, but their

metabolism differs from ours significantly.  In any event I don't suggest

people eat the fresh herb raw and I further suggest that  people pick it

with gloves since it sometimes causes dermatitis.  Tinctures, extracts

and the tea won't do it in the absence of other drugs or massive doses.

(I reserve judgement for what some of these non-whole herb standardized

formulas will do, but so far it seems okay.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 07:11:54 -0800 TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM> writes:

>Karen & Pam & Christina:

>

>The one thing I would worry about in regard to giving SJW to children

>is

>that it often triggers photosensitivity. I think this could be a major

>point in the case of children.  I'm not sure how it manifests itself

>(ie do

>you blister when you're exposed to sun?  do you get an itchy rash?  or

>are

>you just more prone to sunburn?  I don't know).

>

>- T.

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From:   Karen S Vaughan [SMTP:creationsgarden@JUNO.COM]

>Sent:   Monday, February 23, 1998 9:16 PM

>To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

>Subject:        Re: St. John's Wort for Children

>

>I'd keep him on it and forget the Wellbutrin unless it stops working.

>The

>herb is very well studdied, and you can refer her to

>www.hypericum.com.

>Don't let the doctor give you a nocebo (reverse placebo) effect!

>

> I have started my  7 year old son on it, with nettles and vege caps

>for

>a moodswing/learning disability issue.  Have seen no ill effects in

>the 3

>weeks since he started.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>****************************************

>Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

>See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.

>

>On Mon, 23 Feb 1998 21:10:58 -0600 Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

>writes:

>

>> My son's doctor when

>>she pulled him off of Ritalin, wanted me to put him on Welbutrin

>>instead of

>>the St. John's Wort, because in Her opinion, the effects of this herb

>>are not "proven".

>>

>>I havent filled the script yet, I just got it last week, and Im not

>sure

>I

>>want to tamper with the non-pharmaceutical success that we have had.

>>

>>Christina Paul

>>

>>sekhmet@netins.net

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>"Evaluate things and opportunities as you encounter them; don't be

>>   afraid, listen to the voices and act on them."

>>  "Believe in your culture, be confident, and attend to community"

>>- Jhon Goes in Center -  Lakota

>>

>>http://www.netins.net/showcase/ankh

>>

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea and nursing

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:12:16 -0500

--------

Amy-



Echinicea is considered safe to use when breastfeeding- in fact is

considered safe during pregnancy.  It will get through the milk, but

shouldn't hurt the baby.  Watch alcohol amounts if you use a tincture.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:03:37 EST "A. Cook" <Mumbun@AOL.COM> writes:

>Regarding Echinacea, is it safe to take it when breastfeeding?  I

>don't take

>anything when breastfeeding but feel I could really use Echinacea,

>particularly when I feel I'm catching a cold.

>

>

>Amy

>London, England

>



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Subject: Re: Echinacea and nursing

From: "Dresner, Richard R" <rrd91663@GLAXOWELLCOME.CO.UK>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:34:01 -0000

--------

> Karen Vaughan wrote :

<

> Echinicea is considered safe to use when breastfeeding- in fact is

> considered safe during pregnancy.  It will get through the milk, but

> shouldn't hurt the baby.  Watch alcohol amounts if you use a tincture.

>



Hi Karen,



I read in a book The Home Herbal that during pregnancy you shouldn't take

anything stronger than Chamomile Tea. Are you saying Echinicea is safe even

in the first trimester? Perhaps my book doesn't have the most up to date

information. What would you consider a *safe* dosage of tincture?



I'm asking on behalf on my wife as you probably guessed :)



Eternally grateful



Rick

rrd91663@ggr.co.uk







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea and nursing

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 09:29:44 -0500

--------

I would personally avoid anything during the first trimester unless I was

very sick.  But illness can affect the fetus too.  So you have to trade

off risk factors.  If you need it, echinicea is reasonably safe- safer

than, say, goldenseal.  If the illness is mild, don't bother.



Alcohol can be a problem during pregnancy, especially in the early

stages.  I'd use a glycerite rather than an alcohol tincture. Glycerites

preserve the polysaccharides in the root better too.  But putting an

alcohol tincture in a cup of hot water and letting it stand a few minutes

will evaporate off the alcohol.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

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See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 11:34:01 -0000 "Dresner, Richard R"

<rrd91663@GLAXOWELLCOME.CO.UK> writes:

>> Karen Vaughan wrote :

><

>> Echinicea is considered safe to use when breastfeeding- in fact is

>> considered safe during pregnancy.  It will get through the milk, but

>> shouldn't hurt the baby.  Watch alcohol amounts if you use a

>tincture.

>>

>

>Hi Karen,

>

>I read in a book The Home Herbal that during pregnancy you shouldn't

>take

>anything stronger than Chamomile Tea. Are you saying Echinicea is safe

>even

>in the first trimester? Perhaps my book doesn't have the most up to

>date

>information. What would you consider a *safe* dosage of tincture?

>

>I'm asking on behalf on my wife as you probably guessed :)

>

>Eternally grateful

>

>Rick

>rrd91663@ggr.co.uk

>



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Subject: Re: Birth control was "cancer help"

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 14:45:31 -0900

--------

At 07:19 PM 2/22/98 EST, you wrote:

>Anita,

>

>In a message dated 98-02-22 18:57:40 EST, you write:

>

><< You should seriously look into consequences of using herbs which promote

> estrogenic activity with breast cancer.  There is much discussion on this

> subject among herbalists.  While there is no data that I am aware of that

> would make a differentiation between estrogen drugs and estrogenic herbs,

> there may be risks involved. Be very careful when prescribing your herbs,

> you CAN do harm.  Not everything that is called "natural" is safe.

> Remember arsenic is "natural".  Some of the most deadly poisons on earth

> are "natural". What may be perfectly safe for one person is poison for

> another.

> You MUST take into consideration each person on an individual basis.  Don't

> be a knee jerk herbalist.

> >>

>

>I'm not sure which question you were answering with the above response.

Let me

>restate and then clarify my question.

>

>Are alfalfa and black cohosh helpful for women who are currently taking birth

>>control pills? Also, what are some of the physical and emotional differences

>>that you can expect to see?

>

>This question was for my own personal use. I have taken birth control for a

>number of years. I do not have any types of cancer (that I am aware of - nor

>do I have any reason to believe that I do). I was curious if taking either of

>the above mentioned herbs would be of benefit to a women currently on birth

>control. I was also wondering what some of the benefits were, if any.

>

>Thank you,

>Jessyka Chompff

>

>

I thought we were still on breast cancer.  There is little point to taking

a balancing herb like Black Cohosh when using birth control pill.  It's

like tring to put out a fire with a squirt gun.  You can't achieve balance

when you are unbalancing at the same time.  It's one or the other.  I am

personally opposed to the use of birth control pills because of their

inherent ability to throw a perfectly balanced woman's system into chaos.

That brings up the question of WHAT do you use for control.  The safest is

of course abstinence which is not an option for some of us.  The next best

choice is condoms.  They offer the least interference with a normal body.

All the rest of the options, you take your chances with your health and

sometimes the health of any babies that might occur.  It's up to you.  I

make no judgements on your personal situation.  Herbal birth control may

also hold danger.  It just behooves us to make wise judgements and hope we

choose the least dangerous for ourselves and those we love.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: echinacea

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:59:52 -0500

--------

>

>Hi y'all!

>I've been on "nomail" status from the herb list for a while because of

>some of life's demands. I'm in the process of planning this years flower

>beds and vegetable garden, and I was wondering about Echinacea. I've

>heard so much about it lately, but I don't really know if it is something

>that we that raise it at home can do, or if you have to have special

>equipment for using Echinacea. I'm going to show my almost total

>ignorance about this, but what part of the plant do you use for medicinal

>usage?



>Thanks in advance!

>Rob



My experience growing echinacea in Massachusetts has been positive. I have

found it easy to grow. I feel that harvesting is done best after the plant

is about 3 years old though. Gives her a chance to get well established and

hearty. Different folks harvest different parts, depending on their school

ofthought. Personally, i harvest roots and leaves in the spring, make an

alcohol infusion of that (let sit for 6 weeks in 100 proof alcohol) and in

summer, harvest the flowers and let them sit in the filtered infusion for

another 6 weeks. I like the whole plant tincture. Some folks prefer just

the roots though, because of possible allergies to the flowers. Hope this

helps!



In Health, bek



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: echinacea

From: Julie <tbone@SISNA.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:22:47 -0700

--------

Hello,

I've been reading here for a while and want to thank you all for the

priceless info...thanks!

I now have a question.  On the back of a popular brand of echinacea cough

drops a warning states that: People with systemic collagen disease should

not use echinacea.  Does anyone here know why this would be?

Thanks much,

Julie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. John's Wort for Children/photosensitivity

From: Tsugu/karyn <tfkg@PACBELL.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 16:40:48 -0800

--------

Scott Carlton wrote:



>   However, there would seem to be

> little reason for concern regarding this in humans and, if one is in the

> northern hemisphere, almost no concern during the winter months... (which is

> when most folks take the SJW for depressive symptoms including SAD.

>

> Scott Carlton

> carlton@mint.net

>



Hi, all

I just wanted to throw some personal experience at you.  I took St John's Wort

last year to quit smoking (and after 6 years of trying, quit like it was nothing

- not one craving.).  I had to stop taking it because I was getting frequent

migraines (no major diet or lifestyle changes during this time.)  It was Autumn

and I take the Pill, which also increases light-sensitivity.  I was getting a

migraine nearly every day and they were all light-related.  (After having had

them so many years, I can tell what brings them on.)  I quit the SJW and the

migraines subsided to the usual frequency in about a week.  I think that for a

person who isn't taking the Pill or tetracycline or other drugs that increase

sensitivity to light, then it is probably not a problem, but some of us do need

to be careful.  But then, I am so fair that I cannot go outside without

sunscreen.  just my 2 cents . . .

hoping you all see a little sun & sky today,

and less grey clouds/snow/air,

karyn

PS just got some feverfew for the migraines - heard it takes 4 months to work

and you must drink it several times a day.  worth it if it helps, but I was

hoping for it to start working oh, tomorrow, maybe?  :)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal Birth Control?

From: Tsugu/karyn <tfkg@PACBELL.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 17:13:54 -0800

--------

Anita Hales wrote:



> There is little point to taking

> a balancing herb like Black Cohosh when using birth control pill.  It's

> like tring to put out a fire with a squirt gun.  You can't achieve balance

> when you are unbalancing at the same time.  It's one or the other.  I am

> personally opposed to the use of birth control pills because of their

> inherent ability to throw a perfectly balanced woman's system into chaos.

> That brings up the question of WHAT do you use for control.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



  Dear Anita,

I am intrigued by the idea that there are alternatives to the Pill.  I am on it

for irregularities and chronic low back pain (menstrual-related).  Are there any

books you can recommend for someone who would like to get off of it (It has been 7

years and the side effects are no fun) and hasn't a clue what to try?  the Pill

never really gave much relief anyway!  Any advice is welcome!

peace and light to you,

karyn







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Birth Control?

From: Christine Michell Harley <cmh1200@KSU.EDU>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 06:03:23 -0600

--------

On Tue, 24 Feb 1998, Tsugu/karyn wrote:



> years and the side effects are no fun) and hasn't a clue what to try?  the Pill

> never really gave much relief anyway!  Any advice is welcome!

> peace and light to you,

> karyn

>

I don't know of anything herbal if you want the protection from getting

pregnant but I do know that the depo shot works best for most people.  It

stops your menstrual cycle completely.  There are some side effect that

are unnoticable with slight diet changes.  And as for going off of the

depo shot and then getting back, that's no problem either BTDT.

Christine H., who is new and hasn't sent a bio yet (I'm working on it)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Birth Control?

From: Diana Winters <Stellapr@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 08:45:25 EST

--------

Depo shots have some bad side effects among them-irregular bleeding and then

difficulty getting pregnant for a  long time after one stops getting the shot.

Best birth control I know is the good old diaphram.  Diane



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Salt cravings/needs

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:11:51 -0800

--------

I saw the posting about sugar cravings, and started wondering about salt

cravings.  i don't really crave sugar much, i really only take sugar in

my coffee or in black tea, but i crave salt, especially right around my

cycle.  I used to eat potato chips to get the salt but since that's no

longer an option as most contain gluten, i've started eating popcorn

instead.



i was wondering if anyone else has this sort of opposite-to-the-norm

craving.  i'm also wondering why it happens, particularly when it's so

centered around my period, and also, what it could mean, as well.



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Subject: Re: Salt cravings/needs

From: Leann Arndt <BzRvueNews@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 22:16:20 EST

--------

My oldest disabled son seems to crave salt.  I would be interested in finding

a reason/solution as well.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Salt cravings/needs

From: Heather C Key <xaire@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:51:48 -0600

--------

On Tue, 24 Feb 1998 18:11:51 -0800 elizabeth j powell

<elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM> writes:

 i crave salt, especially right

>around my cycle... i'm also wondering why it happens, particularly when

it's so

>centered around my period, and also, what it could mean, as well.



Elizabeth:



        I occassionally crave salt as well..it usually means that I am

dehydrated.    Are you drinking enough water?  If not, that could very

well be your problem.  Salt causes your body to retain water, which is

why you crave it when you are dehydrated.





Heather:)

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Subject: Re: Salt cravings/needs

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 21:47:28 -0800

--------

>

>        I occassionally crave salt as well..it usually means that I am

>dehydrated.    Are you drinking enough water?  If not, that could very

>well be your problem.  Salt causes your body to retain water, which is

>why you crave it when you are dehydrated.

>

>

>Heather:)

>xaire@juno.com



actually, i drink a lot of water per day...over 10 glasses, generally.



personally i think i may be one-quarter deer or something...



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Subject: Re: Salt cravings/needs

From: Juli Kight <castle67@CP.DULUTH.MN.US>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 04:53:32 -0600

--------

Yes, me too, I get severe salt then sugar cravings or vice versa.  One seems

to trigger the other and it can get ugly if I dont keep it in check. I read

somewhere (which doesnt help anyone) that it means we are lacking something

and one will trigger the other.  I will start looking to find that again.

Juli





elizabeth j powell wrote:



> I saw the posting about sugar cravings, and started wondering about salt

> cravings.  i don't really crave sugar much, i really only take sugar in

> my coffee or in black tea, but i crave salt, especially right around my

> cycle.  I used to eat potato chips to get the salt but since that's no

> longer an option as most contain gluten, i've started eating popcorn

> instead.

>

> i was wondering if anyone else has this sort of opposite-to-the-norm

> craving.  i'm also wondering why it happens, particularly when it's so

> centered around my period, and also, what it could mean, as well.

>

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Subject: Re: anti-breast cancer herbs

From: Rosemary Anthony <a.rosemary@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 20:19:11 -0700

--------



--- An anti-cancer herb, I've read, is tumeric. Other measures to take to avoid breast

cancer are breast massage and nipple stimulation (by a partner if possible)  Sorry

if this is too racy for anyone, but  doctors have encountered women whose breasts

begin to atrophy from neglect.  Also good - go bra-less when or if you can for a

portion of the time. (seriously)

        Tumeric mixed with fish oil (cod liver) can be massaged into your skin if you think

you might have fybrocistic  breast disease.

        Alphalfa is said to be full of minerals.  If you've been told that your body needs

minerals. It's probably not a bad idea.



Sources: The Doctor's Worldwide Encyclopedia of Natural Healing by Dr. David Williams&

Presecription for Nutritional Healing by Balch & Balch



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>>Are alfalfa and black cohosh helpful for women who are currently taking birth

>>>control pills? Also, what are some of the physical and emotional differences

>>>that you can expect to see?

>>



>>Jessyka Chompff

>>

>>

>I thought we were still on breast cancer.  There is little point to taking

>a balancing herb like Black Cohosh when using birth control pill.  It's

>like tring to put out a fire with a squirt gun.  You can't achieve balance

>when you are unbalancing at the same time.  It's one or the other.  I am

>personally opposed to the use of birth control pills because of their

>inherent ability to throw a perfectly balanced woman's system into chaos.

>That brings up the question of WHAT do you use for control.  The safest is

>of course abstinence which is not an option for some of us.  The next best

>choice is condoms.  They offer the least interference with a normal body.

>All the rest of the options, you take your chances with your health and

>sometimes the health of any babies that might occur.  It's up to you.  I

>make no judgements on your personal situation.  Herbal birth control may

>also hold danger.  It just behooves us to make wise judgements and hope we

>choose the least dangerous for ourselves and those we love.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>







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Subject: New information on SJW and Photosensitivity

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Feb 1998 23:00:34 -0500

--------

New information on SJW and photosensitivity from Paul Bergner indicates

that there may be some reactions in high doses, especially with the new

concentrated extracts.  I wonder whether they are correlated with the

souped- up, non whole-herb standardization of extracts.  Please note that

with the current SJW craze many more people are taking it, often without

a herbalist's guidance.  While reactions are quite rare, apparently more

have been observed than the few AIDS or drug-related cases I had

mentioned before.  Paul consented to have this posted:



"Another phenomenon now showing itself with the SJW craze is the

photosensitivity reaction. In the past in North America this reaction

was rare although it occurred from time to time with very heavy use of

SJW (I saw one case myself in a woman who took a half oz. of the tincure

a day for months for massive post-traumatic nerve damage. Other cases

occurred some years ago when AIDS patients were taking large amounts of

SJW in the hope that it would kill the HIV virus) Now that the

marketplace is flooded with concentrated extracts, some of those

individuals who follow the

"if-a-little-bit-is-good-for-you-then-a-lot-is-even-better" philosophy

are turning up with photosensitivity reactions. One practitioner-writer

with a web site reports receiving 3-5 letters a month reporting

photosensitivity by people taking 3 or more times the recommended

dosage. "



"BTW, I welcome reports of adverse effects of herbs. Medical Herbalism

is, as far as I know, the only source that actively seeks such

reporting. The lack of channels for reporting probably results in

underreporting of herb side effects and drug interactions. "



--

"Paul Bergner, Editor, Medical Herbalism http://medherb.com

Clinic Director, Rocky Mountain Center for Botanical Studies

P.O. Box 20512, Boulder, CO 80308 U.S.A. FAX: 303-442-6294

mailto:bergner@concentric.net

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Subject: Re: New information on SJW and Photosensitivity

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:12:25 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-25 01:50:50 EST, Karen wrote:



> New information on SJW and photosensitivity from Paul Bergner indicates

>  that there may be some reactions in high doses, especially with the new

>  concentrated extracts.  I wonder whether they are correlated with the

>  souped- up, non whole-herb standardization of extracts.



Karen,

 I assume that this is a rhetorical question.  The answer is absolutely!!!

I'll not go on at length as I sometimes do relative to the scourge that the

Neutraceutical community really is on the face of mother earth, but I will

echo one more time my conviction  that the gifts we have been given in the

fields and woods are complete and perfect AS THEY ARE GIVEN TO US.  Whether

you are a christian, a muslim, a buddist or new age follower, regardless of

whom you believe the "power'  is that is responsible for all that exists,  you

must consider that such a being would not put imperfect tools into our lives.



 The "biochemists" are the first to admit that the preparations that they make

do NOT have all of the parts that they came with in the wild, only those that

they found to "have benefit"   - I guess that they know more than God that

created them in the first place. Damn, I wish I could be that smart some day -

maybe when I grow up  - Naaa.



This should be a wake up call to everyone on this list that has not been an

herbalsit or  practitioner for some time. Use the plants - AS THEY ARE - not

as they are adulterated by the people who don't begin to understand the

benefit from them.  otherwise - just go back to the allopath and get some

"real" medicine - At least you know from the label and the little paper packed

in every box exactly what it is doing and which part of your system it is not

good for.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: life saving

From: "Rachel E. Harris" <SlappyGrrl@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 14:54:46 EST

--------

I realize this may be somewhat off-topic, but I thought maybe someone here

could help me out.  I plan on taking a first-aid lifesaving course.  Has

anyone ever heard of a lifesaving course that includes use of herbs alongside

Western mediction?  Is there such a thing?  (Preferably in New York.)  Thanks

for any info you might have!



~Rachel

    Slappygrrl@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: life saving

From: mystree <mystree@APOLLOTRUST.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:50:01 -0500

--------

Hi Rachel!



I'm a CPR and first-aid instructor from Pennsylvania.  I personally know of no

company that teaches herbs along with first-aid/dpr.  I will teach my class that

they can use lavender for a burn or a headache, etc., but just very basic stuff,

along with the cautions.  (Don't let the organization who gives me my cards know

that!  They would probably give me a toss for teaching stuff they don't condone!)



mys



Rachel E. Harris wrote:



> I realize this may be somewhat off-topic, but I thought maybe someone here

> could help me out.  I plan on taking a first-aid lifesaving course.  Has

> anyone ever heard of a lifesaving course that includes use of herbs alongside

> Western mediction?  Is there such a thing?  (Preferably in New York.)  Thanks

> for any info you might have!

>

> ~Rachel

>     Slappygrrl@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: life saving

From: Pamela Warren <Nutropsych@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 17:09:22 EST

--------

Sorry, I have never heard of such a course.  Should you find one I would also

have interest.  Good Luck searching.    Do you think Gary Null or Dr. Ronald

Hoffman would know of such things?  I heard both of them have been working in

joint effort lately.  Hoffman has a web site, although I do not know address.



Again Good Luck searching...if you find something and want to e-mail me back,

I'd be appreciative of your effort.  Thank you, Nutropsych@aol.com.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: comfrey

From: donna misseres <cayus@WEBTV.NET>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:44:50 -0800

--------

Hello.I am new to the list and enjoying it.  I am sure you have covered

the herb before, but I have never had this question answered.

I used comfrey tea made from the root for about a year for stomach

problems.  It helped a lot.  Then a naturopath told me to stop using it

...it was a harmful plant to use internally.  My friend, an herbalist

who told me about using it felt it was safe for internal use and his

whole family had used it for years with never a problem.  He felt it a

valuable medicinal plant.What is the story with comfrey?    Donna







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:21:34 -0500

--------

It is my personal opinion that comfrey is not internally dangerous

although I tell pregnant and nursing women to avoid it simply because we

can't guarantee what might happen to a developing liver.



The FDA does not agree with me about other people being able to safely

ingest it.  Comfrey root has pyrrolizidine alkaloids, PAs, which can in

isolation from the whole plant, hurt the liver and causes rats to have

higher incidences of liver cancer when fed the alkaloids as 16% of their

diet for a protracted period of time.  However one of comfrey's

traditional uses is to rebuild the liver.  I know one herbalist who

virtually lived on comfrey stew for 3 years when she was in school.  A

decade or two later, her liver is apparently in fine shape.



Individual constituents do not determine the overall action of an herb

since herbs may have many apparently contradictory actions which buffer

them in the human body.

Ephedra, for example tends to speed the heart, but contains constituents

which slow the heart beat- as a result the herb is safer than the

extracted ephedrine.



Also, much of the research on comfrey did not deal with Symphytum

officinale, but an Asian variety which has higher levels of PAs.



But S. officinale does have PAs, is not recognized by the FDA as safe

(despite centuries of use without incident) and you need to consider

whether its known benefit is worth a potential risk to you.



Karen Vaughan

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On Wed, 25 Feb 1998 15:44:50 -0800 donna misseres <cayus@WEBTV.NET>

writes:

>Hello.I am new to the list and enjoying it.  I am sure you have

>covered

>the herb before, but I have never had this question answered.

>I used comfrey tea made from the root for about a year for stomach

>problems.  It helped a lot.  Then a naturopath told me to stop using

>it

>...it was a harmful plant to use internally.  My friend, an herbalist

>who told me about using it felt it was safe for internal use and his

>whole family had used it for years with never a problem.  He felt it a

>valuable medicinal plant.What is the story with comfrey?    Donna

>



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Subject: Re: comfrey

From: Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 01:27:07 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-25 21:20:23 EST, you write:



> He felt it a valuable medicinal plant.What is the story with comfrey?

>

Donna,



Yes we have touched on the subject before, but for the newbies there is merit

in repeating some of what was said.



There are a bunch of folks that support the claim that comfrey is not for

internal consumption, some of which work with the FDA, so far be if for me to

go and attempt to contradict what an all knowing and all powerful agency with

legions of "scientists" on staff might say.  But...... there are others who

follow the wisdom that has been passed down over the ages that say this is not

so and that you can indeed take it internally.  Since I am typing this, I

would have to lean toward the ageless wisdom theory or else find a mirror to

see if I am  one of the spirit world blessed with kinetic powers.  I have both

suggested the use of and personally used comfrey for years as well.  It

obviously is not something that one would take daily for months on end, but it

does have restorative power in the stomach and the intestinal tract.  The one

caution that I would give is that if you are growing your own,  use the larger

outer leaves instead of the small new shoots that come up in the center.  one

of the reasons that comfrey has not found its way  on to the GRAS list is that

there are constituents in the new shoots and small inner leaves that can cause

a problem with the liver if enough is ingested - (a bunch).  Since you can

seriously stunt the plant's growth by pulling those, and since they continue

to grow new foilage throughour the season if harvested like lettuce or

rhubarb, I would not concern myself too too much with the danger of the stuff

you buy commercially.  most growers generally know of these things and are not

going to shoot themselves in the foot by putting a product out on the market

that could put them out of business next year.  Hope this helps.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: comfrey

From: donna misseres <cayus@WEBTV.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:34:02 -0800

--------

Thank you for this answer.  My friend told me that when the whole plant

or part of the plant is used in it's natural state that is when it

benefits you.  Isolating components in the plant and saying these are

harmful is not a true indication.

Comfrey did me much good!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: new virus

From: Amanda Reeves <alr@IO.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 19:04:43 -0600

--------

Does anyone have any information on the new strep(sp?) that has killed 9 so

far in Texas. There is another little girl in the hospital with it that may

not make it. "They" say that it is already in our bodies (about 25% of us)

and that they don't know what triggers the onset. A story says that one

lady just hit her arm (didn't break the skin) and that triggered it.



Is there any natural preventive for this?



Amanda Reeves

Austin, TX







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: new virus

From: "Lori F. user" <IrightI2u@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:55:46 EST

--------

Staphaureus is naturally found on our skin.  However, sometimes it can lead to

a staff infection that becomes infected....leading to many problems such as

MRSA, Strep and or cellulites.  News media being what it is today, they don't

give us the backgrounds of the people affected.  If someone already is

debilitated, such as with diabetes or poor circulation, an infection of any

sort can be deadly at worst.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: new virus

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:54:44 GMT

--------

On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 00:55:46 EST, "Lori F. user" <IrightI2u@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Staphaureus is naturally found on our skin.  However, sometimes it can lead to

>a staff infection that becomes infected....leading to many problems such as

>MRSA, Strep and or cellulites.  News media being what it is today, they don't

>give us the backgrounds of the people affected.  If someone already is

>debilitated, such as with diabetes or poor circulation, an infection of any

>sort can be deadly at worst.



No. Strep infections come from Streptococcus sp. bugs, whereas staph infections

come from Staphylococcus sp. bugs.

No connection, except both can take advantage if we get sick.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: new virus

From: Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 14:46:40 -0800

--------

Elliot Freeman wrote:

>

> <<

>  I posted a new Product several months ago that had promiss as an anti-cancer

>  compound it is called Alzium. However before it was tested for anti-tumor

>  properties, it was tested on over 800 people as an anti-viral, with very

>  exciting results. You can try contacting the company - at

>  cedtech@ix.netcom.com  or call 718-871-2856.

>  it could have prophylactic properties against flus also.

>

>  ds >>

>

> Is Alzium the trade name for this product? If so, what are the ingredients.

> -Elliot

And so much for anti-virals.  Now, the original question refers to

Stahylococcus aureus, a bacterium, (not a virus), and its prevalence,

and what to do about it.

        The bug is present in a many people, but  there are probably a certain

number who are naturally resistant to it, or have better immune systems,

or whatever.  Developing the "flesh-eating bacteria" headline is a

balance between these and undoubtedly tens or hundreds of others.  The

goal of medicine should be to help us prevent the diseases, rather than

rely on our ability to technologically whip all comers, or produce

resistant strains with our "overkill" use of "antibiotics."  We seem

well on our way to altering the balance with nature to the point that

our downward slip outbalances the ability to climb back.  We are not the

first species to become victims of our own successes, and some other

species will probably take over from us, just as mammals took over from

the dinosaur.  But I digress.

        A Sympathetic MD ;-)>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: new virus

From: Jeff Stevens <stevensj@VEGA.URSUS.MAINE.EDU>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:28:29 -0400

--------

Hello,



    I am new to the list.  Been lurking for a few days and thought I would a

a few comments about Staphylococcus aureus.  I am a biology student and just

took microbiology last semester.  In one of the labs we had the opportunity

to test out the antimicrobial activity of various "anti-microbial" house

hold cleaners.  In addition to a few cleaners I brought into lab I brought

in some Usnea tincture and some of the vodka I used as the solvent in making

the tincture to use as a control.  The activity of Usnic acid (found in

Usnea as well as many other genra of lichens) against Gram positive bacteria

(which includes Staph. aureus) has been well documented for decades.  I

thought I would give my Usnea tincture a try. Well.  After 48 hrs. of

incubation I noticed very little difference between the alcohol and

tincture.  They both seemed to have growth.  There might have been a small

amount of inhibition on the plate where I applied the tincture but I don't

think it is significant.

    I am not saying that Usnea tincture doesn't work - just that I can't

make good Usnea tincture.



A thought or two...



-Jeff







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: L-carnite

From: Sam Sussman <ssussman@JULIAN.UWO.CA>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:10:55 -0500

--------

Can anyone tell me what that amino acid is good/bad for. Thanks Sam







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Intro and question

From: Christine Michell Harley <cmh1200@KSU.EDU>

Date: Wed, 25 Feb 1998 21:03:00 -0600

--------

Hi Everyone,

        My name is Christine Harley.  I am 20yrs. old and reside in

Manhattan, KS, USA.  I am a sophmore in Pre-vet.  I am on this list to

learn more about using herbs for healing purposes.  I can think of

anything else of importants so on with the question.

        What are some good mail-order herb companies?  Which one has the

best prices?

Christine H.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbal birth control

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:44:34 -0500

--------

In Susun Weed's book, "Herbs For The Childbearing Year", she mentions quite

a few herbs that were used traditionally for birth control. There is also

several versions of a product caled "The Lense" (N.C.I.) that are basically

fertility awareness devises. Most of us are really only fertile a few days

out of the month and being aware of those fertile days can be a real help

in "family planning". Some of us are very aware of ovulation, by the way we

feel, mucous changes etc. The lense is helpful for those who aren't quite

sure. It works like a pocket microscope, using crystalline patterns in

saliva to help pinpoint fertile days. I think it's a great idea. I took a

class with Jeanine Parvati Baker, author of "Hygeia", and she's a great

advocate of this.



I know that wasn't exactly herbal and i hope i'm forgiven. I know the topic

in itself can be controvercial.



Peace, Bek



elizabek@vineyard.net

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http://www.vineyard.net/biz/witches/

************************************







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbal birth control

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:25:11 -0500

--------

>i have heard that penny royale is rather a dangerous herb in that it

>promotes bleeding and too much can bring on bleeds not unlike those of a

>hemophiliac victim.  what truth is there in this rumor?



I've found that pennyroyal in small doses is okay, but using LARGE doses in

either tea or tincture  not only promote bleeding, but also brings with it

lovely intense cramping (i told you i was young and foolish ) The essential

oil has been banned in many places because when taken internally, even in

very small amounts, it does severe damage to the liver. Several women have

died experimenting withit internally. I admit on that score i have nothing

to back me up on that statement at the moment as i cant remember where i

read it but i do know that you can't buy the EO in Massachusetts anymore. I

will say that i use pennyroyal in small doses for some teas and for insect

repellants so don't rule her out, just respect her.



In health, bek



elizabek@vineyard.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: L-carnite ....L-carnitine/Levocarnitine??

From: Elliot Freeman <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 08:50:35 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-26 00:58:09 EST, you write:



<<

 Can anyone tell me what that amino acid is good/bad for. Thanks Sam

  >>



You may be thinking of L-carnitine. The following is a monograph I wrote

several years ago on this agent, which was approved by the FDA as a drug:



    Energy is released in the body from glucose (glycolysis), amino acids

(gluconeogenesis), and fatty acids (beta-oxidation). Fatty acids are utilized

as an energy source in all tissues except the brain and is the preferential

substrate for cardiac and skeletal oxidative metabolism. Fatty acid oxidation

is a process that essentially occurs in the mitochondria. Carnitine, a

naturally occurring substance, is a necessary molecule in the transport of

long-chain fatty acids across the mitochondrial membrane. Carnitine is

required

in mammalian energy metabolism and must be synthesized in the body from lysine

or ingested through dietary sources.



     Depletion of body carnitine stores may result from excess urinary losses

due to hereditary factors in the proximal tubular reabsorption mechanism,

generalized tubular dysfunction as in the Fanconi syndrome, and excess produc-

tion of acylcarnitines which occurs in inborn errors of fatty acid and amino

acid metabolism. A deficiency of carnitine results in the paralysis of flow of

substrate necessary for energy production.1



     Carnitine deficiency was first reported in 1973. Since then, numerous

studies have shown the importance of carnitine and that carnitine deficiency

may result from a variety of mechanisms. Carnitine deficiency has also been

associated with valproate therapy. Some experimental and clinical evidence

links valproate-induced carnitine deficiency with hepatotoxicity, but these

data are limited and inconclusive.2



     Levocarnitine (Carnitor) was designated as an orphan drug in 1984 and the

oral form was approved for marketing in the United States in 1985 for primary

systemic carnitine deficiency. Later in 1992, intravenous levocarnitine was

approved by the FDA for acute and chronic treatment of secondary carnitine

deficiency resulting from inborn errors of fatty acid oxidation.



     Levocarnitine is available as tablets (330mg), oral solution (1gm/10ml),

and injection (1gm/5ml). The tablets have been shown to be bioequivalent to

the

oral solution. Compared to the injection, the tablets and oral solution are

15.5% and 15.9% bioavailable, respectively. Plasma profiles of levocarnitine

indicate a two compartment model. The distribution half-life is 0.585 hours

and

the terminal half-life is 17.4 hours.3



     The reported signs and symptoms of carnitine deficiency include myopathy,

cardiomyopathy, progressive muscle weakness, lipid storage myopathy, hepatic

encephalopathy, and nonketotic hypoglycemia. The best predictor of carnitine

deficiency, and response to therapy, is an elevated acylated carnitine/free

carnitine ratio.1 Controlled studies demonstrating the efficacy of carnitine

therapy in patients with fatty acid oxidation defects are limited. Side

effects

appear to be mild and occur in less than 10% of patients.4 Gastrointestinal

complaints have been reported during long-term oral levocarnitine therapy.

These include transient nausea and vomiting, abdominal cramps, and diarrhea.

Mild myasthenia has been reported, but only in uremic patients receiving the

racemic form of D,L-carnitine. Body odor has been described, particularly

during urinary tract infections. Some symptoms, including GI complaints and

body odor, are dose-related and may be diminished by decreasing the dose.3



     Using tablets, the recommended adult dosage is 990mg two or three times a

day. Using the oral solution, the recommended adult dosage is 1-3gm per day.

Dosage should start at 1gm per day and be increased slowly while assessing

tolerance and therapeutic response. The dosage for infants and children using

either the tablets or oral solution is 50-100mg/kg/day, depending on clinical

response.3



 1. Children at Risk. Symposium: Boston, MA; October 4, 1990

 2. Coulter DL. J Child Neurol 1991;6:7-14

 3. Carnitor Package Insert. Sigma-Tau, 1993

 4. De Vivo DC. International Ped 1990;5:134-45





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: need herbal advice

From: "B.A.S" <bsokolo1@NYCAP.RR.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 06:13:17 -0800

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Need help 1:

Can anyone provide information on herbs used to treat or reduce the symptoms of arthritis and/or osteoporsis.  I'm trying to find some helpful remedy for my mom (elderly 80 years old) and for my family.



Need help 2:

Is there any herb that would reduce the symptoms of chronic bronchitis?  I've had it all my life but as I'm getting older the constant cough is bothering my family. 



Any herbal options you can offer would be appreciated.



Thanks,

bsokolo1@nycap.rr.com





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Milk Thistle with Dilantin

From: Pam Quinn <Pam_Quinn@JEMM.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 09:40:15 -0600

--------

Since I take dilantin, and it can cause abnormalities in the liver, I

recently started taking milk thistle, hoping that it would help to prevent

liver damage.  What sorts of toxins does milk thistle remoHas anyone heard

whether or not it is beneficial if taken with dilantin?  As always I

appreciate the suggestions.



n







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: retinopathy

From: Pat Constantine <User276055@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 12:29:09 EST

--------

    Does anyone have experience in an herbal treatment for retinopathy? Have

read that bilberry is recommended for this condition but need to know what

other herbal remedies there are.



    Thank you all for the postings and knowledge of this list. It's making the

world a better place.



Regards,

Pat Constantine

User276055@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: retinopathy

From: Elizabeth Fanning <Tsadi@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:46:45 EST

--------

greetings!

blueberries, part of the same family as bilberry, provide similar benefit as a

vasodilator. they support blood vessels that go to the optical nerve.

happy looking!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Echinacea-rain in PNW

From: OakCamp <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 13:53:45 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-25 17:19:37 EST, you write:



<< Does anyone have any information on raising Echinacea in the coastal

 Pacific Northwest.  It rains a LOT here and my plant isn't doing well.

 Is it the rain or just me?

  >>



Poor to moderately rich, well drained soil are where most of the echinaceas

grow.  Some, like E. purpurea, can be found growing along creek beds, or in

dappled shade.



 All Echinaceas are extremely drought tolerant, which attests to it's

distribution through the central plains, the prairies of the midwest, and

sandy areas of the southeast and atlantic states.

Echinaceas will tolerate almost everything except wet feet.  Get it to high

ground with gravelly soil and it will probably improve.



Good luck with your plants!

Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

Grower of Medicinal Herbs

OakCamp@aol.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Where the herbs are beginning to break dormancy and the greenhouse is in full

swing

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal History Trivia 4

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 16:30:14 EST

--------

We in the U.S. (and elsewhere) owe a debt of gratitude to the American Indians

and this post is dedicated to their contributions to American plant Materia

Medica.



Indian knowledge of the uses of native flora, wrote Gabriel Thomas in 1698,

compared favorbably with that of European physicians. He wrote:



"There are many curious and excellent Physical Wild Herbs, Roots, and Drugs of

great Vertue, and very sanative, as the Sassafrass, and Sarsaparilla, so

much us'd in Diet-Drinks for the Cure of the Venereal Disease, which makes

the

Indians by a right application of them, as able Doctors and Surgeons as any in

Europe, performing celebrated Cures therewith, and by the use of some

particular Plants only, find Remedy in all Swellings, Burnings, Cuts, etc.

There grows also in great plenty the Black Snake-Root, (fam'd for its

sometimes

preserving, but often curing the Plague, being infused only in Wine, Brandy,

or Rumm) Rattle-Snake-Root, Poke-Root, called in England Jallop, with several

other beneficial Herbs, Plants and Roots, which Physicians have approve of,

far exceeding in Nature and Vertue, those of other Countries." [An Historical

and Geographical Account of Pensylvania and of West-New-Jersey 1698]



Dr. Harlow Brooks praised the Indians for their knowledge of laxative,

diuretic, emetic, and febrifuge drugs, and added that American variety of

foxglove was correctly used by them for its cardiac stimulant properties for

hundreds of years before Withering discovered digitalis in England [The

Medicine of the Indian, Journal of Laboratory and Clincical Medicine, Vol XIX,

No.1 (Octoer, 1933), 2, 17-19]



Dr. John G Bourke, an army physician with much experience on the Indian

frontier late in the last century, was convinced that "the world owes a large

debt to the Indian medicine men of America, who first discovered the virtues

of coca, sarsaparilla, jalap, cinchona, and guiacum." [The Medicine Men of the

Apache, Ninth Annual Report of the Bureau of te American Ethnology, 1887-88,

471]



The extensive use of herbal remedies by the Indians can be demonstrated by the

fact that more than 200 indigenous plant-based drugs were used by one or more

Indian tribes have become official in the United States Pharmacopeia for

varying periods since the frst edition that appeared in 1820, or in the

National Formulary since it begn in 1888.



Perhaps the most celebrated plant remedy to reach the world by way of the

Carolinas was Indian pokeroot, or pinkroot (Spigelia marilandica), a Cherokee

remedy for worms, which was adopted into the London, Dublin, and Edinburgh

pharmacopeias ..and was official in the USP fro 1820 to 1926.



[reference source for above information: American Indian Medicine by Virgil

Vogel, 1970]



Question: What discovery by the American Indians was borrowed by the settlers

and became the most widely used cathartic in the world?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia 4

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:58:29 -0500

--------

"There are many curious and excellent Physical Wild Herbs, Roots, and

Drugs of

great Vertue, and very sanative, as the Sassafrass, and Sarsaparilla, so

much us'd in Diet-Drinks for the Cure of the Venereal Disease..."



So they had diet drinks then?  Sasparilla soda as a syphllis cure (wonder

if diet Pepsi would work).



;-)

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia 4

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:21:59 -0500

--------

elfreem wrote

>Question: What discovery by the American Indians was borrowed by the

settlers

>and became the most widely used cathartic in the world?



I haven't seen any answers on this, and I really do not know the answer

myself- I'm not high on catharsis.  The local plants that I know of with

this action are a little too heavy duty to have been that popular.



All this being said, I'll guess Cascara sagrada, as I think that it is a

Western American native that the Spanish settlers learned about from the

American Indians of the region.  But is this considered a laxative or a

cathartic?



Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia 4

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 05:18:01 EST

--------

I'm new to the list, but I have a guess to the cathartic question. I belive

the answer to be Senna or Cassia.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia 4

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 10:47:26 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-27 23:34:22 EST, you write:



>> Question: What discovery by the American Indians was borrowed by the

>> settlers and became the most widely used cathartic in the world?



> I haven't seen any answers on this, and I really do not know the answer

> myself- I'm not high on catharsis.  The local plants that I know of with

> this action are a little too heavy duty to have been that popular.

>

> All this being said, I'll guess Cascara sagrada, as I think that it is a

> Western American native that the Spanish settlers learned about from the

> American Indians of the region.  But is this considered a laxative or a

> cathartic?

>

> Joanie

>



Right you are Joanie. While this may not be the most enjoyable topic of herbal

use, laxatives and cathartics are probably used more than any other type of

medicine, according to Goodman and Gilman's Pharmacological Basis of

Therapeutics. Cascara sagrada (Rhamnus purshiana) is from the buckthorn

family, a tree native to the northwest coast from northern California to

British Columbia. It has been suggested that a Spanish priest found the Native

Americans using it and was so impressed with its efficacy and mildness, he

christened it cascara sagrada or "holy bark".



When it was first introduced into American medicine in 1878, its intense

bitter taste kept the public from using it until it was formulated into sugar-

coated or chocolate-coated pills. The fluid extract, however, is more

effective.



Cascara sagrada became official in the 1890 United States Pharmacepeia and has

become one of the few  botanicals to remain. Up until a few decades ago,

cascara sagrada was one of the most widely used cathartics in the USA. Today

bisacodyl (Ducolax) is more often prescribed within hospitals because its

effective in tablet form and inexpensive.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



(contact me at Elfreem@aol.com for a free subscription to an herb/nutritional

newsletter that will be starting later this year)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal birth controll

From: elizabeth scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 22:24:56 +0000

--------

> <<

>  In Susun Weed's book, "Herbs For The Childbearing Year", she mentions quite

>  a few herbs that were used traditionally for birth control. >>

>

> Could you list a few of the herbs mentioned in Susan Weed's book?? Thanks.

>

> Elliot



She puts the herbs into 3 categories:

-Sterility Promoters-  Stoneseed root(Lithospermum ruderale), Jack in

the Pulpit root(Arisaema triphyllum), and Thistles (many types).

-Implantation Preventers- Wild Carrot seed(Daucus carota), Rutin

(naturally occurring in Rue, Buckwheat, and Elder), and Smartweed

leaves(Polygonum hydropiper).

-Menstrual Promoters-  Ginger root(Zingiber sp.), Tansy leaves(Tanacetum

vulgare), Pennyroyal leaves (Hedeoma pulegioides), and Vitamin C.



In the book she tells a bit more about how they were and are used and as

ever, BE CAREFUL!!! Some of the menstrual promoters can be down right

dangerous if you over do it! (take this from someone who was young,

foolish and experimenting some years back)



In health and hopefully wisdom (someday),  bek







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal birth controll

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:28:38 -0800

--------

>She puts the herbs into 3 categories:



>In the book she tells a bit more about how they were and are used and

>as

>ever, BE CAREFUL!!! Some of the menstrual promoters can be down right

>dangerous if you over do it! (take this from someone who was young,

>foolish and experimenting some years back)

>

>In health and hopefully wisdom (someday),  bek

>

i have heard that penny royale is rather a dangerous herb in that it

promotes bleeding and too much can bring on bleeds not unlike those of a

hemophiliac victim.  what truth is there in this rumor?



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Mushroom ??

From: Lory2x2 <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:33:48 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-24 04:49:00 EST, you write:

> Get yourself a few very good mushroom identification books, <



Hi Karen -   I've seen many posts on medicinal mushrooms & an N.D. suggested I

take Poria for menopausal bleeding. My question is this: I am allergic to

mushrooms that are used for cooking - the generic stuff found in bottled

sauces & the fresh kind in the supermarket. Are the medicinal mushrooms

different enough from these that I could try them? I've been afraid to try as

I get severe cramping & diarrhea within 15 min. of eating anything with

mushrooms in it. My grandmother was also allergic & was told a large dose

could kill her. You seem to be very knowledgable in this area - what do you

think? TIA   Lory



Lory2x2@aol.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Mushroom ??

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 23:55:53 -0500

--------

Lori-

Are the medicinal mushrooms different?  Yes and no.  They all have that

"fungusy" smell, which suggests certain biochemical affinities.  But

there is a big difference between a ganoderma and an amanita.  It would

depend upon what you are allergic to in the mushroom.



If you have severe sensitivities in your family and you can't eat

supermarket mushrooms, I wouldn't risk it.  (You _could_ try a tiny

subclinical piece of poria to test, but you would have to be prepared for

an allergic reaction.)  But there are other herbs for menopausal

bleeding, depending upon an involved analysis of your cycle.  Have you

checked Susun Weed's menopause book or some of Tierona Low Dog's work on

bleeding cycles?



Karen Vaughan

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:33:48 EST Lory2x2 <Lory2x2@AOL.COM> writes:

>In a message dated 98-02-24 04:49:00 EST, you write:

>> Get yourself a few very good mushroom identification books, <

>

>Hi Karen -   I've seen many posts on medicinal mushrooms & an N.D.

>suggested I take Poria for menopausal bleeding. My question is this: I

am allergic

>to mushrooms that are used for cooking - the generic stuff found in

>bottled sauces & the fresh kind in the supermarket. Are the medicinal

>mushrooms different enough from these that I could try them? I've been

afraid to

>try as I get severe cramping & diarrhea within 15 min. of eating

anything

>with mushrooms in it. My grandmother was also allergic & was told a

large

>dose could kill her. You seem to be very knowledgable in this area -

what

>do you think? TIA   Lory

>

>Lory2x2@aol.com

> <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/lory2x2/">Lory's Herb Page</A>

>



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Subject: Re: Mushroom ??

From: Lory2x2 <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:06:03 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-27 01:47:01 EST, you write:



>  But there are other herbs for menopausal bleeding, depending upon an

involved analysis of your cycle.  Have you checked Susun Weed's menopause book

<<



Thanks Karen - I have Susun's book & I'm taking Dong quai, which seems to be

working well. I was just wondering if I dared try it if the dong quai stops

working before my cycles quit (can't wait!)      Lory







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Plants as they are

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 18:18:36 -0500

--------

Not to nitpick a rant I certainly agree with, but we should be clear that

even tinctures and capsules represent changes in some manner to the herb

as it grows.  I for one think there is nothing wrong with cooking,

decocting, tincturing, drying or boiling a root down to a tar, or making

an herbal elixir.  Fire has been around for most of human evolution and

the Creator gave us the power to modify things, even if we are prone to

mess up bigtime.  But I do want to stress, that what we do to a plant

changes it somewhat.



No single method gets all the constituents of a herb.  Infusions only get

the water-soluble constituents.  Some constituents are not alcohol

soluble- still others like resins only come out in very high alcohol.

Even eating the herb raw does not necessarily get everything because some

constituents are only released by long cooking.  This is the same

situation that food is in- you would have to eat 5 pounds of raw carrots

to get all the bioavailable nutrients out of a steamed carrot, but you

would not get the same fiber and enzyme benefit from a cooked carrot.

You choose depending upon what you want.



Therefore there is a professional tradition that teaches what the uses of

various preparations are.  The traditions are based upon observed actions

of the various preparations.  A single herb will not be useful for the

same purpose in all forms.  For instance valerian tinctured fresh can be

used to induce sleep while the dried root often makes adrenally-stressed

people hyper.  St. John's wort is used differently in oil, alcohol and

tea formulas.  Harry Hoxey's anticancer elixir is more potent than the

Hoxey's herb tinctures.  And a Chinese herbal formula will harmonize the

actions of several herbs so that the observed end result may actually be

contradictory to the specific action of a single buffering herb.



But this is a far cry from percipitating out single constituents into

highly refined chemicals.  My allo-trained father used to say that

elements were extracted from plants to get rid of side effects.  I say

that while this may permit people to get some relief from the wrong

plants, it takes out those Creator-given buffers that our bodies were

designed to expect.  Better to chose the remedy correctly and to work

with it in a minimally processed form.



Karen Vaughan

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On Thu, 26 Feb 1998 02:12:25 EST Peter Byram <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM> writes:

>This should be a wake up call to everyone on this list that has not been

an

>herbalsit or  practitioner for some time. Use the plants - AS THEY ARE -

not

>as they are adulterated by the people who don't begin to understand

>the benefit from them.  otherwise - just go back to the allopath and get



>some "real" medicine - At least you know from the label and the little

>paper packed in every box exactly what it is doing and which part of

your system it

>is not good for.

>peter

>



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Subject: Re: Plants as they are

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 17:55:40 -0800

--------

At 06:18 PM 2/26/98 -0500,  wrote:

><snipped for berevity>

>But this is a far cry from percipitating out single constituents into

>highly refined chemicals.  My allo-trained father used to say that

>elements were extracted from plants to get rid of side effects.  I say

>that while this may permit people to get some relief from the wrong

>plants, it takes out those Creator-given buffers that our bodies were

>designed to expect.  Better to chose the remedy correctly and to work

>with it in a minimally processed form.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>****************************************





Just wanted to mirror your comments, Karen.  Isolating and synthetsizing,

etc. has not been entirely successful and there is a lot of very

ineffective so-called plant medicine out there.  The best idea is to have a

personal relationship with plants.  Growing, wildcrafting, preparing your

own medicinals, etc.  With proper education, mentoring, of course.  Sadly,

this is not realistic for most in our modern society, but I think this lack

of relationship with plants and the Earth is one of the contributors to

disease in our society, and certainly the people I know who do have this

relationship are not on prozac.



Just my two petals worth.



Be well,

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Plants as they are

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:21:39 -0800

--------

sort of as an aside to this, we have wild bay growing all over the

mountains around here. i've plucked the leaves off and crushed them,

inhaling the aroma while hiking and it really helps bring your breath

back during gruelling uphill climbs.



my question is, would this type of bay after drying be beneficial in

cooking  although used in much smaller portions than its more tame

herb-aisle cousin, or are there some properties to the wild bay that

suggest external use only?  Also, is there any use for the berries of the

wild bay?



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Subject: Herbal books???

From: Evie V V <EvieVV@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 19:39:36 EST

--------

Does anyone know of any herbal books that specifically deal with combining

herbs.  (For example, do not take Ginsing with Kava Kava.)  I have read

several good books but haven't seen that issue dealt with.



Thanks for the help,

Evie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Oregon Grape revisited

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:20:27 -0700

--------

I have spent hours (and hours, and...) looking for more explicit info on

Oregon grape. Having learned a lot, I still have not found a definitive

answer to this question:

How does one know when to choose golden seal over oregon grape?  In

comparing their various actions and uses, they seem very similar. When is

golden seal indicated instead of O.G.?

Are there any detailed resources on this herb that anyone can point me to?

I have searched the internet fairly thoroughly...

Thanks again- hope you arn't tired of my "Oregon Grape" phase  :-)

margo

margo@gemstate.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape revisited

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:34:27 EST

--------

Margo,



If you live west of the Missipi use Oregon Grape - if you live east of the

Mississippi - use Goldenseal - - or if you like - vice versa - your call -  I

use them interchangably - most of the time now that we can get good

organically grown goldenseal from the commercial growers.  My only complaint

is that the growers are keeping the price artifically high because of the

demand - not because of the supply - prices should have started to drop by

now, but they have not.  Goldenseal is still 5+ times higher in cost than OGR.

Personally I don't find a difference in terms of theraputic value, but I still

use goldenseal for some compounds - simply because we have it - and my recipe

calls for it - I guess I should rethink my approach -  Maybe someone with

"biochemist credentials " can check in on this question to answer the question

-till then, and probably after that - I'll keep using the OGR.

Not much help - but my two cents worth

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape revisited

From: Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 05:21:14 -0600

--------

At 01:34 AM 2/27/1998 EST, you wrote:

>Margo,

>

>If you live west of the Missipi use Oregon Grape - if you live east of the

>Mississippi - use Goldenseal - - or if you like - vice versa - your call -  I

>use them interchangably - most of the time now that we can get good

>organically grown goldenseal from the commercial growers.  My only complaint

>is that the growers are keeping the price artifically high because of the

>demand - not because of the supply - prices should have started to drop by

>now, but they have not.  Goldenseal is still 5+ times higher in cost than

OGR.



I think the reason for this is the erroneous notion out there that somehow

Goldenseal 'masks' the results of drug tests.  Well this of course is not

true, but even law enforcement has this notion.   My friend from Frontier

has on her car a "Save the Wild Goldenseal, Our Natural Herbal Treasure"

and she got stopped by the cops. Silly policeman stops the herbalist and

asks: "do you know what Goldenseal is used for! <LOL!> Welll the cop got an

on the spot education and the herbalist got an engagement to talk to the

cops at a later time...but you  see how urban myths can also help drive up

the price!



Sincerely,



Christina Paul



sekhmet@netins.net





"Evaluate things and opportunities as you encounter them; don't be

   afraid, listen to the voices and act on them."

  "Believe in your culture, be confident, and attend to community"

- Jhon Goes in Center -  Lakota



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape revisited

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:04:42 -0500

--------

I recommend goldenseal for pulmonary conditions because I was taught that

hydrastine in goldenseal has an affinity for the lungs.  Otherwise I use

Oregon grape.

It works but I assume there is a very large crossover in both cases.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 01:34:27 EST NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM> writes:

>Margo,

>

>If you live west of the Missipi use Oregon Grape - if you live east of

>the

>Mississippi - use Goldenseal - - or if you like - vice versa - your

>call -  I

>use them interchangably - most of the time now that we can get good

>organically grown goldenseal from the commercial growers.  My only

>complaint

>is that the growers are keeping the price artifically high because of

>the

>demand - not because of the supply - prices should have started to

>drop by

>now, but they have not.  Goldenseal is still 5+ times higher in cost

>than OGR.

>Personally I don't find a difference in terms of theraputic value, but

>I still

>use goldenseal for some compounds - simply because we have it - and my

>recipe

>calls for it - I guess I should rethink my approach -  Maybe someone

>with

>"biochemist credentials " can check in on this question to answer the

>question

>-till then, and probably after that - I'll keep using the OGR.

>Not much help - but my two cents worth

>peter

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape revisited

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 15:27:51 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-27 01:35:26 EST, you write:



<<

 If you live west of the Missipi use Oregon Grape - if you live east of the

 Mississippi - use Goldenseal>>



I think Oregon Grape should be used by those who live in the mountains <grin>.





<<My only complaint is that the growers are keeping the price artifically high

because of the demand - not because of the supply - prices should have started

to drop by now, but they have not.  Goldenseal is still 5+ times higher in

cost than OGR.

 >>



Maybe cost should determine which one should be used. Perhaps someone could go

to the trouble of listing the various Goldenseal and Oregon Grape preparations

on the market and their list retail prices. Anyone working in a healthfood

store with ready access to this information?  -Elliot







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape revisited

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@NETUSA1.NET>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:54:13 -0800

--------

Elfreem wrote:

>

> In a message dated 98-02-27 01:35:26 EST, you write:

>

> <<

>  If you live west of the Missipi use Oregon Grape - if you live east of the

>  Mississippi - use Goldenseal>>

>

> I think Oregon Grape should be used by those who live in the mountains <grin>.

>

> <<My only complaint is that the growers are keeping the price artifically high

> because of the demand - not because of the supply - prices should have started

> to drop by now, but they have not.  Goldenseal is still 5+ times higher in

> cost than OGR.

>  >>

>

> Maybe cost should determine which one should be used. Perhaps someone could go

> to the trouble of listing the various Goldenseal and Oregon Grape preparations

> on the market and their list retail prices. Anyone working in a healthfood

> store with ready access to this information?  -Elliot

I have recently seen in the J. Christopher tapes that these two are good

substitutes for each other. The only caveat was that Goldenseal

shouldn't be used for more that a week at a time, at which time one of

several suggested substitutes was Oregon Grape.

mike







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape revisited

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:20:14 -0500

--------

You shouldn't take either one for more than a week, except in special

circumstances, because it will kill off your intestinal bacteria.  Oregon

grape will do the same thing as goldenseal to your gut.  And no, you

can't go from one to the other.  If the first didn't stop the disease,

the other is unlikely to do so and will only leave you without your

natural intestinal defenses.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:54:13 -0800 Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@NETUSA1.NET>

writes:



>I have recently seen in the J. Christopher tapes that these two are

>good substitutes for each other. The only caveat was that Goldenseal

>shouldn't be used for more that a week at a time, at which time one of

>several suggested substitutes was Oregon Grape.

>mike

>



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Subject: Carnitine

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@ERINET.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Feb 1998 21:52:49 -0800

--------

Hello, Sam,



Carnitine increases the use of fat as an energy source. This prevents

fatty buildup, especially in the heart, liver and skeletal muscles.

Carnitine reduces the health risks posed by poor fat metabolism

associated with diabetes, inhibits alcohol-induced fatty liver and

lessens the risk of heart disorders. It has the ability to lower blood

triglyceride levels, aid in weight loss and improve muscle strength in

people with neuromuscular disorders.



Ilene







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Carnitine

From: Captlear <Captlear@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 09:59:48 EST

--------

I would like to know more about carnitine and how to find it?

Captlear@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Carnitine

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:11:19 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-26 22:10:18 EST, you write:



<<

 Carnitine increases the use of fat as an energy source. This prevents

 fatty buildup, especially in the heart, liver and skeletal muscles.

 Carnitine reduces the health risks posed by poor fat metabolism

 associated with diabetes, inhibits alcohol-induced fatty liver and

 lessens the risk of heart disorders. It has the ability to lower blood

 triglyceride levels, aid in weight loss and improve muscle strength in

 people with neuromuscular disorders.



 Ilene

  >>



Its generally known that carnitine has an imporant role in metabolizing fat.

Carnitine has been shown to be beneficial in many individuals with altered

metablism. Since most people have plenty of carnitine in their systems,

usually carnitine has been shown to be effective in people with carnitine

deficiencies. Are you aware of any studies that demonstrate a beneficial

effect in normal (healthy) individuals? Thanks.



Elliot Freeman







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Carnitine

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@ERINET.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 08:00:10 -0800

--------

> Captlear <Captlear@AOL.COM>

>

>

> I would like to know more about carnitine and how to find it?

>



Check out your local health food store....they will have Carnitine and

should be able to provide you with info.



Ilene







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal therapy of Epilepsy

From: "Vladimir V. Linevich" <linevich@INFOPRO.SPB.SU>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:08:34 +0300

--------

Dear members of HERB List,



Do anybody deal with phytotherapy of epilepsy?

Do you know any centers or doctors interested in this problem?



Best regards,



Vladimir Linevich, MD

PO Box 228

191025 St.Petersburg, Russia



E-mail : linevich@infopro.spb.su







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Strep A

From: Amanda Reeves <alr@IO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 06:56:39 -0600

--------

An addition to my last inquiry about Strip A. There is a pretty large head count in Texas - 51 -

with many of them not surviving. Is this happening nation wide or is it centered in Texas? I'm

wondering if the Texas news is just not telling us about the rest of the US.



What do you (list members) think of Colloidal Silver as a preventive for this one? Perhaps just

taken during this outbreak. I realize that it isn't good for long term use.



Sincerely concerned -  the last victim was an elementary school girl in a community near us.



Amanda Reeves

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep A

From: JOberbroec <JOberbroec@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:29:34 EST

--------

I haven't heard anything on this new bug here in Iowa.  So it must be a

southwestern thing. Will keep my eyes and ears open though.  Keep us updated

on the problem please?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep A

From: Carol n NY <CarolnNY@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 21:44:41 EST

--------

I do not wish to be off the topic of herbs, but I have been biting my tongue

on this.

Last year around this time we had such a out break here in Rochester NY (it

was called the Flesh Eating Bacteria), about 11 people died. All of them

except for one had been admitted to Strong Memorial Hospital (one was in

Genesee Hospital).  The people were all admited into the hospitals for various

reasons & were all on different floors. They did not (if my memory serves me

right) had any symptons of Strep before entering the hospital. One woman was

there to have a baby, she had a natural birth, she died from contacting it,

her baby lived & did not contact the bacteria.



Not everyone who contacted the bacteria died, some were treated for it. But if

I remember right there were close to 11 deaths from it.



I have a feeling that the out break here was contained to only the local news,

as seems to be the case in Texas.



Sorry to get off of the topic of herbs.



Carol







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: New concern (was new virus)

From: Amanda Reeves <alr@IO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:15:13 -0600

--------

OK, so the new strep A is a bacteria?



I have heard that the victims were already feeling pretty bad thinking they had the flu, and they

just started getting worse. The school nurse sent out a paper stating that if you or your kids feel

bad to get to the doctor imedietly and get on antibiotics even if you don't yet know what's wrong.

She advised those that have felt bad already to be very aware of feeling worse.



It seems that the victims took a turn for the worse and that's when they couldn't come back from it.

The news media leads us to believe that these people were fine one day and in the hospital the next.

They mentioned one woman that hit her arm (didn't break the skin) and died of Strep A. I understand

that this was not something that happened to them over-night.



I know we don't have all the facts. But one fact is that there are fatalities.



I have started giving my family echnecia, just as a precaution. But wonder if it would be enough if

they did contract it. And wonder how it spreads. The latest victim (last night) hit just a little

too close to home for us!



Not in a panic, just wish I had all the facts.



Amanda



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Austin area

From: Amanda Reeves <alr@IO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:21:40 -0600

--------





CeCe Lisby wrote:



> Hi,  I've missed the info about the new virus in Texas.  Where and when did

> you hear of this.  I live just north of Dallas-Ft. Worth and would like more

> info also.  Sounds scary.    CeCe



It's been in the Austin area media for about two weeks now. The latest fatality was a 4th grader in

Round Rock. She died last night. You may want to get the Austin American Statesman for a few days.

They have had an article about it almost every day. They recommend that if you have any  fever, you

get on antibiotics right away.



I don't run my kids to the doctor with every sniffle. But you can bet with this one I will!!!!!



Amanda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal Phen-Fen

From: Pat Erickson <erickson@BURGOYNE.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 08:21:36 -0700

--------

To the list;



I have noticed the thread on SJW, and some apparently vague references

to weight loss formulas.  Specifically, this product Herbal Phen-Fen is

SJW and ephedra.  What is the action of these compounds in conjunction

with each other?  Any comments about the product would be helpful.  I

have lost ten pounds or so with it, but it seems to be fairly

innoccuous.



Thanx in advance

Pat Erickson

erickson@burgoyne.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herniated & calcified thoracic disc

From: Kenneth Nosul <kn9899@ALPHA.RWU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 10:47:18 -0500

--------

Hello all--



I want to thank all of you that have been so helpful,...and to this List.

There are so many wonderful, helpful people that give of their time and

knowledge, and this List makes it possible.  Thanks.



My apology for this long post, but please read:

I went to see my surgeon yesterday, and also saw the results of my CAT

scan.  The herniated disc in my thoracic area is definitely calcified.  I

must have received an injury to that area some good while ago...evident

by the extent of the calcification.  He told me that my case is rather

unusual (not as common as the herniated types most people get lower in

the spine), and very serious because the cord is compressed to almost

nothing at that point.  He said it is a miracle that I am still walking!

To that note...my surgery is scheduled for March 17th. (6hrs under, and

the surgeon has to come in from the side--meaning a long incision).

I must have received an injury to that area some good while ago...evident

by the extent of the calcification.  He told me that my case is rather

unusual (not as common as the herniated types most people get lower in

the spine), and very serious because the cord is compressed to almost

nothing at that point.  He said it is a miracle that I am still walking!

To that note...my surgery is scheduled for March 17th. (6hrs under, and

the surgeon has to come in from the side--meaning a long incision).

That is only three weeks away.  I really want to start preparing myself

to boost my immune system, etc...but I can't financially (bummer). It also

means that I have to drop this semester at college.  I asked the surgeon how

many times he performed this sort of surgery and he told me "about twenty

times."  That wasn't very reassuring for me!  But he did add that every

one was successful.  He is the only one in this area that does this

surgery, and is supposed to be very good (He is a graduate of Brown

University in Rhode Island and teaches there as well).  If you have any

other helpful suggestions I would welcome them.  Thanks.  I also believe

very much in spiritiual healing.  All the available gifts compliment each

other

hollistically.  Nonetheless, I admit that the big incision makes me feel

queasy.   <Will keep you posted>



Ken







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Green superfood recipes anyone?

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:46:23 -0500

--------

I've been taking some of the green "superfood' powders for a while and

find them a reasonable way to take herbs.  You can taste what is in them,

the gelatin capsules aren't clogging up your system or dumping dry

powdered herb in your gut, and the powders mix well into yogurt or

buttermilk for a fast meal.  I like Crystal Star's formula (nci) but the

high cost suggests that I would be better off making my own with herbs

from a wholesale source like Frontier or my own garden.



The things I have been considering mixing up are:



*Primary Herbs*

Nettles

Spirulina and/ or chlorella (any feedback on safety/superiority? There is

a big cost difference)

Barley and/or wheat grass powder (Barley is twice as expensive- is it

worth it?)

Siberian ginseng

*Secondary Herbs*

Alfalfa

Dandelion root

Burdock root

Gotu kola

Hawthorne berry

*Catalysts, complementary herbs and transporters*

Kelp or dulse powder (smaller quantity)

Some Tumeric

Whey powder for protein

Bee pollen

Stevia

Apple pectin



Possible other inclusions:  chickweed for mild hypothyroid, beet powder

and brewers yeast (no known allergy/candida).



Have any of you made up formulas or have comments?  I'm excluding certain

things that I take regularly like cayenne because I'd rather not taste

that one except in hot sauce and garlic because it doesn't go with the

other flavors and isn't greatly medicinal when dried.  Beet powder is

good for vision (and more available than bilberry powder), but it does

tend to dominate in taste (but not bad in yogurt).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 14:54:55 -0500

--------

On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:28:38 -0800 elizabeth j powell

<elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM> writes:

>i have heard that penny royale is rather a dangerous herb in that it

>promotes bleeding and too much can bring on bleeds not unlike those of

>a hemophiliac victim.  what truth is there in this rumor?



The essential oil of pennyroyal can do that but the herb itself is not

dangerous. I've been drinking it since childhood.  It is arguable that it

would have trouble inducing miscarriage unless you drank huge amounts,

although it is one of those herbs listed as important to avoid during

pregnancy.  The essential oil is a whole other matter- read Rosemary

Gladstar on disturbing results of *external* use for cramps.  Internal

use of the EO can be fatal.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Subject: Re: Pennyroyal

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:50:10 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-27 15:32:47 EST, you write:



<<

 The essential oil of pennyroyal can do that but the herb itself is not

 dangerous. I've been drinking it since childhood.  It is arguable that it

 would have trouble inducing miscarriage unless you drank huge amounts,

 although it is one of those herbs listed as important to avoid during

 pregnancy.  The essential oil is a whole other matter- read Rosemary

 Gladstar on disturbing results of *external* use for cramps.  Internal

 use of the EO can be fatal.

  >>



FYI: In a report in 1996 by Bakerink MD, two children developed multiple organ

failure after ingestion of Pennyroyal tea (Pediatrics 1996;98:944-7). One

child received 120ml (4oz) of a tea brewed from the leaves of the home-grown

plant. The boy died 4 days after hospitalization.



The other child lived who was 6 months old. He was given 90ml of tea (3oz)

three times a week since he was 3 months old. The mother gave him 90ml of tea

the evening before hospitalization.



No one can say for sure exactly why some people have toxic reactions to a drug

or herb, but if pennyroyal tea is to be taken it should not be taken by anyone

with a bad liver (inlcuding all alcoholics) ...and it should never be given to

an infant.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pennyroyal

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:41:16 -0500

--------

Elliot-



Do you know whether the identity of the plant was confirmed in these

cases?  What was the age of the first child? (I can't imagine giving a 3

month old that much of any kind of tea, let alone pennyroyal- my

pediatrician wouldn't let me give my children anything but breastmilk

until they were over 6 months old.) I was 10 before I drank the tea- a

more suitable age than infancy!



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

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See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 17:50:10 EST Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM> writes:

>FYI: In a report in 1996 by Bakerink MD, two children developed

>multiple organ failure after ingestion of Pennyroyal tea (Pediatrics

1996;98:944-7).

>One child received 120ml (4oz) of a tea brewed from the leaves of the

>home-grown plant. The boy died 4 days after hospitalization.

>

>The other child lived who was 6 months old. He was given 90ml of tea

>(3oz) three times a week since he was 3 months old. The mother gave him

90ml

>of tea the evening before hospitalization.

>

>No one can say for sure exactly why some people have toxic reactions to

a drug

>or herb, but if pennyroyal tea is to be taken it should not be taken by

anyone

>with a bad liver (inlcuding all alcoholics) ...and it should never be

given to

>an infant.

>

>

>Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

>Midwest Shared Newsletter

>Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pennyroyal

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@NETUSA1.NET>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:51:20 -0800

--------

Karen S Vaughan wrote:

>

> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:28:38 -0800 elizabeth j powell

> <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM> writes:

> >i have heard that penny royale is rather a dangerous herb in that it

> >promotes bleeding and too much can bring on bleeds not unlike those of

> >a hemophiliac victim.  what truth is there in this rumor?

>

> The essential oil of pennyroyal can do that but the herb itself is not

> dangerous. I've been drinking it since childhood.  It is arguable that it

> would have trouble inducing miscarriage unless you drank huge amounts,

> although it is one of those herbs listed as important to avoid during

> pregnancy.  The essential oil is a whole other matter- read Rosemary

> Gladstar on disturbing results of *external* use for cramps.  Internal

> use of the EO can be fatal.

>

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com

> ****************************************

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> See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.

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Big deal in Indianapolis and area newspapers this week included a woman

who drank pennyroyal tea regularly and had a miscarriage. There was an

attempt to create a link. The whole article was one of warning to

unsophisticated users of herbs.

mike







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pennyroyal

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:25:43 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-28 14:52:01 EST, you write:



<<

 Do you know whether the identity of the plant was confirmed in these

 cases?  What was the age of the first child? (I can't imagine giving a 3

 month old that much of any kind of tea, let alone pennyroyal- my

 pediatrician wouldn't let me give my children anything but breastmilk

 until they were over 6 months old.) I was 10 before I drank the tea- a

 more suitable age than infancy!

  >>



The identity was indeed confirmed, in the first case by botanists at the

University of California. In the second case, a serum sample of the patient

was collected and sent to a research lab and found to contain 2ng/ml pulegone

and 41ng/ml menthofuran,   both constituents of pennyroyal.



The age of the first child was 8 weeks old.



One of the problems in the dietary supplement/herbal market is the lack of

caution and warning information in the hands of the public. Many people just

don't know what they're doing. After sending the last post on pennyroyal, I

recieved a newspaper article about a women who took had been taking pennyroyal

tea daily with no ill effects until she found out she was pregnant. Soon after

she had a miscarriage and wasn't aware that pennyroyal has been used to induce

abortions. She was horified that supplements don't come with proper warnings.



The FDA reports one woman who died of cardiac arrest in 1994 while attempting

a pennyroyal abortion (Sun Times Feb 27, 1998 pg 53).



In most cases, rather than require herb manufacturers to provide this type of

information on the containers, the FDA will try to take an herb off the

market. If the FDA were so concerned about safety, I think they should deal

directly with herb manufacturers and require this information on the

container. In my opinion, it would take a lot less time and effort, and would

solve the problem of safety (a concern shared by the FDA and herb community

alike) and availability (which apparently is only a concern of the herb

community).





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: st. john's wort loose effectiveness over time?

From: Calvin Burnes <cburnes@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:34:54 -0800

--------

hello,



does anyone know if st. john's wort looses its effectiveness

over time?



i have been using it for depression with good results

for a few months, and i am wondering whether or not

i can count on these good results over the long haul.

right now i am using 1 300mg capsule 3/x day.



thanx.



cburnes@ix.netcom.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: st. john's wort loose effectiveness over time?

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 00:29:29 -0500

--------

St. John's wort can be taken for a long period of time.  Your dosage may

not be sufficient- 900 mg  per day is the standard dose.  But if it

works, don't feel you have to take more.



You may change however, and may want to reconsider your needs for

antidepressants and choice of herb.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:34:54 -0800 Calvin Burnes <cburnes@IX.NETCOM.COM>

writes:

>hello,

>

>does anyone know if st. john's wort looses its effectiveness

>over time?

>

>i have been using it for depression with good results

>for a few months, and i am wondering whether or not

>i can count on these good results over the long haul.

>right now i am using 1 300mg capsule 3/x day.

>

>thanx.

>

>cburnes@ix.netcom.com

>



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Subject: Re: st. john's wort loose effectiveness over time?

From: HIGH DESERT RECLUSE <dianekw@RIDGECREST.CA.US>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 07:31:47 -0800

--------

I have been using it for about a year now and no problem.......I take 300mg

3 times a day during the winter and cut back in the summer when I can get

outside more. For me it works very quickly so I can add or subtract amounts

depending upon how I feel. I sure is better than Prozac for me.

Recluse

aka Diane







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fw: new virus

From: Bill Winston <b.winston@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:10:32 -0500

--------

When making a tincture, it is important to know the quality of the herb you

are using (organic or wildcrafted, non-irradiated, not sprayed with

pesticides upon importation, ect.).  You also need to consider which part

of a plant to use and whether it is best tinctured in 40-50% alcohol or

organic unprocessed vinegar.  To make a good tincture, barely cover the

ground/chopped plant parts with the liquid, after running them thru a food

processor/blender with a little of the liquid.  Cover tightly, place in a

cool dark place (use amber glass if at all possible), and stir daily.

Allow to soak at least 2 weeks and harvest on the full moon.  You can't

make good tincture without good ingredients and time.



----------

> From: Jeff Stevens <stevensj@VEGA.URSUS.MAINE.EDU>

> To:

> Subject: Re: new virus

> Date: Thursday, February 26, 1998 8:28 PM

> .

>     I am not saying that Usnea tincture doesn't work - just that I can't

> make good Usnea tincture.

>

> A thought or two...

>

> -Jeff

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fw: Oregon Grape revisited

From: Bill Winston <b.winston@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:21:45 -0500

--------

A great many people are allergic to Goldenseal but can use Oregan grape

root very successfully.  I personally feel O.G. is more gentle.



----------

> From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

> To:

> Subject: Oregon Grape revisited

> Date: Thursday, February 26, 1998 11:20 PM

> to this question:

> How does one know when to choose golden seal over oregon grape?  In

> comparing their various actions and uses, they seem very similar. When is

> golden seal indicated instead of O.G.?

>

> margo@gemstate.net

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fw: Austin area

From: Bill Winston <b.winston@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Fri, 27 Feb 1998 23:42:54 -0500

--------

Pau D'Arco taken in sufficient quantity will kill any bug (viral, bacterial

or fungal).  For an adult take 12-16 caps., 4-6 times a day for 10-14 days.

 You may experience tingling at the sight or infection and/or light

headedness.  You may also reduce dosage (to say 6-8 caps.) after first few

doses.  Adjust dosage for children by weight comparison to that of an

adult.



I cured myself of LYME in this way.  I also used a cup of strong Pau D'Arco

tea in place of the caps. at times.  Because it is bark, I used twice as

much as for a normal tea and slow boiled it for 45 minutes.

----------

> From: Amanda Reeves <alr@IO.COM>

> To:

> Subject: Austin area

> Date: Friday, February 27, 1998 9:21 AM

>

>

> I don't run my kids to the doctor with every sniffle. But you can bet

with this one I will!!!!!

>

> Amanda

--------

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vcard.vcf (VCF File)

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Richter Herb Dinner

From: Bill & Judy Henry <henry@CYBERUS.CA>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 04:42:45 -0500

--------

Hi folks



This is my first post. I've been hanging around enjoying and learning from

the knowledgeable group. I too remember the 60's although it took me longer

to get into herbs. I've been wondering where people are from.



I thought you might be interested in an herbal event that is happening on

March 21st. I am a member of the Ottawa Valley Herb Association. We have

invited Conrad Richter of Richter's Herbs to speak about Herb Trends for

1998. It will be preceded a lovely dinner with herbal accents put on by

students of our local college culinary program. There will be many local

herbal enthusiasts and business owners to speak to and also herbal door

prizes.



If anyone is interested, drop me a line.



Judy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Trivia 4 smokers

From: Drolma <Drolma@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 11:02:34 EST

--------

Sorry, someone was going to answer this one.

the Indians discovered this herb and it became/in cathartic to Americans, etc.



The skin flap thing with dental floss hopefully is working, and I found it

came

from an exposure to someone who had skin flaps, therefore, possibly viral.



pame'a







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cytolog - What is it?

From: Bill Winston <b.winston@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 15:29:05 -0500

--------

I read about Cytolog as an immune system booster esp. for arthiritis.

Don't know if that's a brand name, herb, hormone, homeopathic or what.

Does anyone know what it is?  Where I can get it?



If not appropriate for this list, please reply off-list to

b.winston@worldnet.att.net



Thanks,

Marie





