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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Diuretic

From: Susan Dowe <sdoweluv@EZNET.NET>

Date: Fri, 2 Jan 1998 10:00:06 -0500

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What herbs would be good to use instead of coffee for a

slugish kidney?



TIA,

Susan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Diuretic

From: Bob <tworiver@MTNHOME.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:26:31 -0600

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Parsley and celery tea come to mind.  Green tea is a good drink, and you might

even cutting down on your intake of coffee.   That what I have done, works for

me.



What herbs would be good to use instead of coffee for a

slugish kidney?



TIA,

Susan



     Regards



Bob Root, tworiver@mtnhome.com

HCR 63, Box 14B

Yellville, Ar. 72687

ICQ 7053385







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Diuretic

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:46:37 -0900

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At 10:26 AM 3/12/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Parsley and celery tea come to mind.  Green tea is a good drink, and you

might

>even cutting down on your intake of coffee.   That what I have done, works

for

>me.

>

>What herbs would be good to use instead of coffee for a

>slugish kidney?

>

>TIA,

>Susan

>

>

Green tea would be preferable to black tea (less acidic) but remember that

it still has caffeine in it.  If you're avoiding caffeine, it's NOT a good

choice.  However, drinking BLACK tea will make urine MORE acidic and less

prone to infection.  It depends on what you mean by a sluggish kidney.

That's kind a a lame diagnosis.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Diuretic

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:47:43 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-12 11:11:55 EST, you write:



<< What herbs would be good to use instead of coffee for a

 slugish kidney? >>

dandelion.... fresh is best. Try to get some from your superrmarker's produce

department, that's where I get mine out of season.

mjh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Diuretic

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:08:09 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-12 11:16:09 EST, you write:



> What herbs would be good to use instead of coffee for a

>  slugish kidney?





Before the answer, a question - who told you that coffee was good for you??



Answer to question - the simple dandelion .

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Diuretic

From: YaSquid <YaSquid@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:45:03 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-13 03:33:13 EST, you write:



<< Answer to question - the simple dandelion .

 peter >>





How is dandelion good for the kidneys?

And how should it be taken?



Thanks,



Chris







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Diuretic

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:42:47 -0500

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><< What herbs would be good to use instead of coffee for a

> slugish kidney? >>

>dandelion.... fresh is best. Try to get some from your superrmarker's

produce

>department, that's where I get mine out of season.



Coffee is actually very hard on the kidneys, I believe the oils

are the problem.  Be sure you are drinking enough pure water,

general suggestion I hear most often is 1/2 your

body weight in oz of water per day, throughout the day.  Dandelion

is good, parsley, uva ursi, cornsilk, and juniper berries also good.

If you can find herbal combinations prepared for the kidneys

with some of these present in them, it would be helpful.

Cranberry juice, natural, is good as

well - I usually dilute juices with water - 1 part juice, 1 part water.

claudia :-)

--

"A cheerful heart is good medicine.." Prov. 17:22a

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8409

Next Chat: "Seasonal Allergies" - visit site for further info.

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Diuretic

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:42:24 -0900

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At 10:00 AM 1/2/98 -0500, you wrote:

>What herbs would be good to use instead of coffee for a

>slugish kidney?

>

>TIA,

>Susan

>

>

Dandelion root "coffee".  Roasted dandelion root brewed like coffee.

Excellent.  You might also throw in a little Cleavers (Galium aprine).  Be

careful not to go too much on the diuretic theme so as NOT to drive the

kidneys.  They're already "tired".  Don't drive them with strong diuretics.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Birth Control?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:08:44 -0900

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At 05:13 PM 2/24/98 -0800, you wrote:

>Anita Hales wrote:

>

>>~

>

>  Dear Anita,

>I am intrigued by the idea that there are alternatives to the Pill.  I am

on it

>for irregularities and chronic low back pain (menstrual-related).  Are

there any

>books you can recommend for someone who would like to get off of it (It

has been 7

>years and the side effects are no fun) and hasn't a clue what to try?  the

Pill

>never really gave much relief anyway!  Any advice is welcome!

>peace and light to you,

>karyn

>

>

Know that Black Cohosh is NOT a birth control herb.  With that said, there

are several herbs that are excellent in putting a female system back into

balance.  Proper diagnosis is the trick first, to know which herbs to use.

After a good diagnosis there is a good selection of herbs available from

both Eastern and Western herbalism.  There's Chaste Tree, Dong Quai

(Angelica), False and True Unicorn, Black and Blue Cohosh, Fo Ti, Wild Yam

and a number of other herbs.  It really depends on what you need to do so

diagnosis is the most important thing you can do first.

Susan Weed's books are good for female type information.

You might seek out a professional herbalist/diagnostician for a proper

diagnosis and opinion.  You can get alot from books but it tends to be a

narrow viewpoint.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:34:43 -0900

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>

>I might be totally ignorant, but I have seen many references to "skin tags"

>and have no idea what they are.  Could someone please fill me in, (e-mail

>me privately if you want, as I seem to be the only one in the dark).



Skin tags are a polyp on the skin.  They often occur on neck, armpits,

crotch and sometimes other places on the body.



just put it down

>to strain.  there are time when I hobble not being able to put much weight

>on my feet.  I find if I put more weight on my toes, it eases the pain.

>Naturally I assumed something simple such as fallen arches or something. I

>guess I should see a doctor. (I really hate going there when I know there

>are others in worse shape who really need the doctors attention).

>

>

These foot pains, if you push on the inside of the arch of the foot near

the heel, is it painful?  Are they painful when you get out of bed in the

morning and less painful as you get going?   Do you find that if you wear

sturdy shoes with arch supports, you are more comfortable?  If so, you may

have plantar fasciitis, or inflammation of the plantar fascia.  It is a

precursor to heel spurs.

Acupuncture is helpful but it takes many treatments.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Skin Tags

From: "C. Davis" <rcdavis@REACH.NET>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 22:48:09 -0500

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At 04:34 PM 2/28/98 -0900, you wrote:

>These foot pains, if you push on the inside of the arch of the foot near

>the heel, is it painful?  Are they painful when you get out of bed in the

>morning and less painful as you get going?   Do you find that if you wear

>sturdy shoes with arch supports, you are more comfortable?  If so, you may

>have plantar fasciitis, or inflammation of the plantar fascia.  It is a

>precursor to heel spurs.

>Acupuncture is helpful but it takes many treatments.





I answered yes to all of the above.

Is there any way of preventing further problems or at least easing the

pain?  I don't know much about "heel spurs"







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Salt cravings/needs

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 16:43:24 -0900

--------

At 10:16 PM 2/24/98 EST, you wrote:

>My oldest disabled son seems to crave salt.  I would be interested in finding

>a reason/solution as well.

>

>

Salt craving may indicate your body's inability to manage fluids in the

body.  The organ responsible is the spleen.  Other organs that may be more

directly influenced are the pancreas, kidney and stomach. People that crave

salt may also suffer blood sugar disorders.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Carnitine

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@ERINET.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 19:26:44 -0800

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> Its generally known that carnitine has an imporant role in metabolizing fat.

> Carnitine has been shown to be beneficial in many individuals with altered

> metablism. Since most people have plenty of carnitine in their systems,

> usually carnitine has been shown to be effective in people with carnitine

> deficiencies. Are you aware of any studies that demonstrate a beneficial

> effect in normal (healthy) individuals? Thanks.

>

> Elliot Freeman





Nope, Elliot...I just use my herbal/health books and my personal

experiences.



Ilene







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pennyroyal

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:06:45 -0500

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I am shocked that anyone would give pennyroyal tea to a 6 week old.  I

recommend that if mothers want to help their newborn's colic with catnip,

for instance, the _mothers_ drink it and let it go through the breast

milk.



Given that our underfunded schools no longer teach such things as home

economics where teens might learn the basics of childcare, and no one is

home after school to teach them basic parenting skills, it probably

shouldn't be suprising that people would try such things.



I can't agree more that the FDA should work with the manufacturers to

label products, but then they would have to aknowledge the medicinal

value of our herbal "supplements".  Too bad we don't have a "traditional

medicinals" regulatory category so safety and appropriate dosage

information can be provided on the labels without requiring multimillion

dollar testing procedures.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pennyroyal

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Feb 1998 23:36:52 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-28 23:12:43 EST, you write:



<< Given that our underfunded schools no longer teach such things as home

 economics where teens might learn the basics of childcare, and no one is

 home after school to teach them basic parenting skills, it probably

 shouldn't be suprising that people would try such things.

  >>



I ADD:



I completely agree.  I am always appalled at the number of folks who come

racing into the pharmacy after seeing a news program on herbs, or reading an

article.  They stream in and ask for the product without consulting anybody.

I really have found that I am doing a lot of just general educating on their

bodies, how herbals work, and the cautions attached to self-diagnosing and

self-dosing.  Now that it is spring we seem to have a lot of folks interested

in growing medicinals as well.  I got into the teaching part of herbalism

quite by accident from just answering questions on herb stores, and in the

pharmacy.  Now I'm finding I'm getting all kinds of calls to do classes.  So

anybody out there with herb knowledge and experience can help spread the word.

The more we educate people about the proper use of medicinals the better off

all of us will be.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com



who now has a clean greenhouse up and running but sore muscles uggggh!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Green superfood recipes anyone?

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 04:12:25 -0500

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Karen,



  WHAT NO OATSTRAW????<G>



Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Green superfood recipes anyone?

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:30:38 -0500

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On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 04:12:25 -0500 MS LINDA A MANSFIELD

<WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM> writes:

>Karen,

>

>  WHAT NO OATSTRAW????<G>

>

>Linda



Got me!  I take the oatstraw in infusion with astragalus.  I don't think

it digests as well directly.





Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape revisited

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 08:56:08 -0500

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>> Maybe cost should determine which one should be used. Perhaps someone

>>could go

>> to the trouble of listing the various Goldenseal and Oregon Grape

>>preparations

>> on the market and their list retail prices. Anyone working in a healthfood

>> store with ready access to this information?  -Elliot

>I have recently seen in the J. Christopher tapes that these two are good

>substitutes for each other. The only caveat was that Goldenseal

>shouldn't be used for more that a week at a time, at which time one of

>several suggested substitutes was Oregon Grape.

>mike



I know that "Herbs for Kids" (nci) makes all their herbal preparations with

oregon grape instead of goldenseal. They aren't as expensive as most other

commercial tinctures and are glycerites. Seem to be good formulas too.



-bek



elizabek@vineyard.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape revisited

From: Irena Franchi <d001720c@DC.SEFLIN.ORG>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:10:00 -0500

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Do you think that these herbs as well as others that strength the immune

system, kill the intestinal flora?  Are you sure about it?





Irena Franchi

d001720c@dc.seflin.org





On Sat, 28 Feb 1998, Karen S Vaughan wrote:



> You shouldn't take either one for more than a week, except in special

> circumstances, because it will kill off your intestinal bacteria.  Oregon

> grape will do the same thing as goldenseal to your gut.  And no, you

> can't go from one to the other.  If the first didn't stop the disease,

> the other is unlikely to do so and will only leave you without your

> natural intestinal defenses.

>

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com

> ****************************************

> Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

> See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.

>

> On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 19:54:13 -0800 Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@NETUSA1.NET>

> writes:

>

> >I have recently seen in the J. Christopher tapes that these two are

> >good substitutes for each other. The only caveat was that Goldenseal

> >shouldn't be used for more that a week at a time, at which time one of

> >several suggested substitutes was Oregon Grape.

> >mike

> >

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape revisited

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:34:54 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-01 19:11:22 EST, Irene wrote:



> Do you think that these herbs as well as others that strength the immune

>  system, kill the intestinal flora?  Are you sure about it?



Irene,



YES!!!!!!  I am sure.  The proverbial voice of an all too painful "personal"

experience some time ago.  Somehow the little voices that speak to peter the

herbalist when he is considering what to use for someone else and the cautions

to give on the use of these weeds, do not confer with the little voices that

speak to peter the patient who apparently has a fool for a healer - what is it

that they say - Duuhh?   And from my recounting my own "abuse" story to others

in the herbal community, it appears that virtually everyone has, at one time

or another, failed miserably in following their own advice with a variety of

horror stories that resulted.  I can tell you that as little as 15 or 20 days

of goldenseal or Oregon Grape  WILL tear your lower tract up - make it longer

and it will be months before you can look forward to a return to balance in

the system - if you realize what it is that has gotten to you and deal with it

appropriately.  Otherwise it could get much worse. so don't do it - 7-10 days

on then 7-10 days OFF. if the problem persists, look elsewhere for the origin

- don't make the same mistake that some do and focus on the magic bullets -

there are none - find the problem - the real problem - and try to fix that.

If a couple of rounds of goldenseal or oregon grape don't get rid of the bugs

- there is probably something else you are missing that needs to be fixed as

well.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Oregon Grape revisited

From: Irena Franchi <d001720c@DC.SEFLIN.ORG>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:40:58 -0500

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I asked you because I never had this experience despite of using herbs

for all matters for my dog and myself.





Irena Franchi

d001720c@dc.seflin.org





On Sun, 1 Mar 1998, NE Hrb Sup wrote:



> In a message dated 98-03-01 19:11:22 EST, Irene wrote:

>

> > Do you think that these herbs as well as others that strength the immune

> >  system, kill the intestinal flora?  Are you sure about it?

>

> Irene,

>

> YES!!!!!!  I am sure.  The proverbial voice of an all too painful "personal"

> experience some time ago.  Somehow the little voices that speak to peter the

> herbalist when he is considering what to use for someone else and the cautions

> to give on the use of these weeds, do not confer with the little voices that

> speak to peter the patient who apparently has a fool for a healer - what is it

> that they say - Duuhh?   And from my recounting my own "abuse" story to others

> in the herbal community, it appears that virtually everyone has, at one time

> or another, failed miserably in following their own advice with a variety of

> horror stories that resulted.  I can tell you that as little as 15 or 20 days

> of goldenseal or Oregon Grape  WILL tear your lower tract up - make it longer

> and it will be months before you can look forward to a return to balance in

> the system - if you realize what it is that has gotten to you and deal with it

> appropriately.  Otherwise it could get much worse. so don't do it - 7-10 days

> on then 7-10 days OFF. if the problem persists, look elsewhere for the origin

> - don't make the same mistake that some do and focus on the magic bullets -

> there are none - find the problem - the real problem - and try to fix that.

> If a couple of rounds of goldenseal or oregon grape don't get rid of the bugs

> - there is probably something else you are missing that needs to be fixed as

> well.

> peter

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FDA or separate agency (OAM)

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:11:45 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-28 23:12:59 EST, Karen wrote:



<<

 I can't agree more that the FDA should work with the manufacturers to

 label products, but then they would have to aknowledge the medicinal

 value of our herbal "supplements".  Too bad we don't have a "traditional

 medicinals" regulatory category so safety and appropriate dosage

 information can be provided on the labels without requiring multimillion

 dollar testing procedures.

>>



The day is coming when a separately funded agency will handle herbal

supplements ..I hope. This is not unrealistic. The OAM was the first step. If

we learn from history, then its possible. It won't happen right away ..but

it'll take place when more and more people (especially those in government)

are either helped or know someone who was helped by alternative medicine. This

is happening more and more often. The problem was that in the U.S. there has

been such a void that its taking a lot longer than other countries. The

Eclectic movement was a start, but it dissolved because (among other reasons)

there was no solidarity or unity within the movement. Schools competed with

one another and clinicians from one school were as caustic toward fellow

practitioners from another school as they were toward allopathic medicine

...whom all the Eclectic hated. That isn't happening today thank goodness and

there's a solidarity in the herbal community that is palpable. Self sacrifice

and professional conduct characterize the herbalist community. That is what

comes to mind when I think of Tierra, Moore, Bergner, and others.



Every social movement, however, needs momentum and that can only come through

dedicated people. I'm doing everything I can to enhance the "movement" and I

have an action plan for the pharmacy and hospital communities that I am part

of. If everyone felt that its hopeless because "THEY won't let us", we'll lose

without even trying.



Remember it's the fool who thinks he/she can change the world that will be the

one that does.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FDA or separate agency (OAM)

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:10:07 -0800

--------

Elfreem:

In my opinion, another agency is NOT necessary.

FDA = FOOD and DRUG



Herbs should be listed as FOOD in my opinion (call it an umbrella stemming

from culinary usage of herbs, if not anything else) AND enjoy the least

amount of legal morass.



If I were Queen of the Universe (grin) the way it'd work would be:

        1. If item grows naturally anyone may grow it on property they own or have

lease on.

        2. If while growing, the item ITSELF (during its own natural course of

growth) does damage, owner may be required to chop it down (only intended

consequence of this being a large plant item, say an oak tree or somesuch

which could cross property boundaries).

        3. Any agriculturally grown plant/food items must be labeled EXACTLY as to

their contents (i.e. taxonomic name, weight and price, list of additives,

if any).

        4. Any wild-crafted plant/food items must be labeled EXACTLY as to their

contents (i.e. taxonomic name, weight and price, list of additives, if any)

AND include location where obtained and wild-collection license/permit info

(if appropriate).

        5. Anyone who knowingly falsified any of the required information would

face severe penalties.



Other than THAT...

.......... caveat emptor.



The FDA should have some legal enforcement of additives, also... but in the

arena of labeling & assuring purity of products.



I believe, summed up, what I'm trying to say is.. when it comes to gov't

involvement, less is more.



They should generally have the power to prosecute someone who falsifies the

contents of an item, but not the items themselves.



- Tera.



-----Original Message-----

From:   Elfreem [SMTP:Elfreem@AOL.COM]

Sent:   Sunday, March 01, 1998 8:12 AM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        Re: FDA or separate agency (OAM)



In a message dated 98-02-28 23:12:59 EST, Karen wrote:



<<

 I can't agree more that the FDA should work with the manufacturers to

 label products, but then they would have to aknowledge the medicinal

 value of our herbal "supplements".  Too bad we don't have a "traditional

 medicinals" regulatory category so safety and appropriate dosage

 information can be provided on the labels without requiring multimillion

 dollar testing procedures.

>>



The day is coming when a separately funded agency will handle herbal

supplements ..I hope. This is not unrealistic. The OAM was the first step.

If

we learn from history, then its possible. It won't happen right away ..but

it'll take place when more and more people (especially those in government)

are either helped or know someone who was helped by alternative medicine.

This

is happening more and more often. The problem was that in the U.S. there

has

been such a void that its taking a lot longer than other countries. The

Eclectic movement was a start, but it dissolved because (among other

reasons)

there was no solidarity or unity within the movement. Schools competed with

one another and clinicians from one school were as caustic toward fellow

practitioners from another school as they were toward allopathic medicine

...whom all the Eclectic hated. That isn't happening today thank goodness

and

there's a solidarity in the herbal community that is palpable. Self

sacrifice

and professional conduct characterize the herbalist community. That is what

comes to mind when I think of Tierra, Moore, Bergner, and others.



Every social movement, however, needs momentum and that can only come

through

dedicated people. I'm doing everything I can to enhance the "movement" and

I

have an action plan for the pharmacy and hospital communities that I am

part

of. If everyone felt that its hopeless because "THEY won't let us", we'll

lose

without even trying.



Remember it's the fool who thinks he/she can change the world that will be

the

one that does.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FDA or separate agency (OAM)

From: donna misseres <cayus@WEBTV.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:19:56 -0800

--------

Hi,

I have a question concerning terms I have read in this series of posts

as well as others.  The mention of allopathic medicine.......  I always

thought any medicine, heral or otherwise that was not homeopathic was

allopathic.  Homeopathic being treatment in small or minute doses of

same or similar nature to cause symptoms will cure symptoms.  Allopathic

being treatment by opposite...penicilin does not cause say...strep

throat in any  amount, but given in" large" (not minute) amounts to cure

it.

So, If one drank a large amount of herbal tea to cure a cold or cough

would that not be allopathic?

I am just slightly confused here on the Southern Oregon coast, Donna







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FDA or separate agency (OAM)

From: Stephen Connors <connors2@CAMCOMP.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:43:17 -0500

--------

 Elliot:



With all due respect, haven't we had enough of the ominpotent, all-

merciful, all-everything government telling us what to do?



I am tired of the solution to all of life's ills being found in more and

more bureaucracy. That's the knee jerk reaction whenever something happens:

more spending, more regulation, more government.



We have created a situation that our forefathers would have found

intolerable long ago. For every "solution" found by government it creates at

least two additional problems. This is not a risk free world. We have sold

enough of our freedom in exchange for the illusion of socialistic utopia. It

is time to stop.



There. I feel better.  I'll take my soapbox and go home now.



Steve



-----Original Message-----

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Sunday, March 01, 1998 6:53 PM

Subject: Re: FDA or separate agency (OAM)







><<

> Elfreem:

> In my opinion, another agency is NOT necessary.

> FDA = FOOD and DRUG

>

> Herbs should be listed as FOOD in my opinion (call it an umbrella stemming

> from culinary usage of herbs, if not anything else) AND enjoy the least

> amount of legal morass.

>  >>

>

>I agree except that herbs should be in their own classification and not

with

>food. that was whole point of the OAM. Apparently, I didn't get across the

>point I was trying to make. We need ANOTHER agency ...not another FDA. I

>received several emails telling me we don't need another FDA ....that's

what

>I've been trying to tell everyone. A few people, however, equate any and

every

>government agency with the FDA. The OAM is a government agency and it will,

>hopefully, do what its supposed to do ..."facilitate the evaluation of

>alternative medical treatment modalities" to determine their effectiveness.

>The mandate also provides for a public information clearinghouse and a

>research training program. In my opinion, the OAM should oversee the

>development of a U.S. Herbal Pharmacopeia. For those who would like more

>information on the OAM, please use the following link.

>

><A HREF="http://altmed.od.nih.gov/">Office of Alternative Medicine - OAM -

>Nation...</A>

>

>Lets not spend too much time figuring out why we shouldn't do something

>..instead spend some time thinking about how we could.

>

>

>Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

>Midwest Shared Newsletter

>Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FDA or separate agency (OAM)

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:45:22 EST

--------

<<

 Elfreem:

 In my opinion, another agency is NOT necessary.

 FDA = FOOD and DRUG



 Herbs should be listed as FOOD in my opinion (call it an umbrella stemming

 from culinary usage of herbs, if not anything else) AND enjoy the least

 amount of legal morass.

  >>



I agree except that herbs should be in their own classification and not with

food. that was whole point of the OAM. Apparently, I didn't get across the

point I was trying to make. We need ANOTHER agency ...not another FDA. I

received several emails telling me we don't need another FDA ....that's what

I've been trying to tell everyone. A few people, however, equate any and every

government agency with the FDA. The OAM is a government agency and it will,

hopefully, do what its supposed to do ..."facilitate the evaluation of

alternative medical treatment modalities" to determine their effectiveness.

The mandate also provides for a public information clearinghouse and a

research training program. In my opinion, the OAM should oversee the

development of a U.S. Herbal Pharmacopeia. For those who would like more

information on the OAM, please use the following link.



<A HREF="http://altmed.od.nih.gov/">Office of Alternative Medicine - OAM -

Nation...</A>



Lets not spend too much time figuring out why we shouldn't do something

..instead spend some time thinking about how we could.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FDA or separate agency (OAM)

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:21:32 EST

--------

<<

 With all due respect, haven't we had enough of the ominpotent, all-

 merciful, all-everything government telling us what to do?



 I am tired of the solution to all of life's ills being found in more and

 more bureaucracy. That's the knee jerk reaction whenever something happens:

 more spending, more regulation, more government.



 We have created a situation that our forefathers would have found

 intolerable long ago. For every "solution" found by government it creates at

 least two additional problems. This is not a risk free world. We have sold

 enough of our freedom in exchange for the illusion of socialistic utopia. It

 is time to stop.



 There. I feel better.  I'll take my soapbox and go home now.



 Steve

>>



Apparently, after three messages on this thread I still haven't been clear

enough.



Of course we don't need another "ominpotent, all- merciful, all-everything

government telling us what to do" and no one is suggesting that we should have

more "bureaucracy". What we need is a government agency similar to the German

Commission E ...that has become the world's authority on herbs. The U.S.

Herbal Pharmacopeia is exactly what we need ....but it only has one monograph

so far. It'll take 20 years before we see anything substantial, and I for one

don't want to wait that long.



Perhaps, I'm wrong in these delusions of mine ...of wanting a government

agency to become what they're supposed to be (not the FDA and please don't

reply on this again and again). If I can't convince the people in the herb

list of this idea, maybe I should just give it up.



Let me tell you a story though. There is a group of physicians, some of whom

are at Johns Hopkins now, that literally saved the lives of thousands of

people suffering with cholera. This disease in third world countries used to

have a mortality approaching

40-80%, but has been reduced to less than 3% with oral rehydration solution

(such as Pedialyte). People usually don't die from infection per say, they die

from dehydration that results from violent diarrhea associated with the

disease.



The discovery that electrolyte and glucose when given together stimulate

absorption of solute and water was hailed as one of the most important medical

advances of this century. That was over 30 years ago, but in this country

there are over 400 deaths of children who die from diarrhea-related

dehydration. After 30 years, you'd think that our country would be informed,

but that isn't the case. About a year ago, I proposed a plan that would create

a governement agency, similar to the Poison Prevention Week Council (they

government Poison Prevention Week). For those who don't know, as a result of

Poison Prevention Week the numbers of children who died of accidental

poisoning decreased from about 400 each year to 20-40 per year. That was the

result of a government agency folks!! What really made a difference was to

bring the problem to a national focus of top priority.



The problem has been that those who understand the science behind the remedy

(the doctors) are not in a position to help those who need the information

(parents with dehydrated children) and we continue to see tragic deaths that

could have been avoided. I have proposed a plan for the creation of "National

Dehydration Prevention Week" and a National Dehydration Week Council and we (a

group of doctors and myself) have developed a concept paper that has been sent

to several foundations that will be requesting a million dollar grant to set

this in motion. What was missing in the minds of the physicians who understood

the problem was bringing the issue to a national focus of top priority. I

don't want to go into any more detail ..even this was probably inappropriate

because its off-topic, but we're talking about a government agency here ..and

one that if set up properly will do the job that it's supposed to do.



Right now, the U.S. Herbal Pharmacopeia is underfunded and will never amount

to anything under its current structure. Meanwhile, the U.S. Pharmacopeia has

official and legal empowerment. That's a problem. The way to remedy that is

not to complain about it, but do something about it. Let the USP continue to

write monographs on herbs that cannot make recommendations because of lack of

valid studies (as with valerian and ginger). What we need is funding (from or

through a government agency) for a truly U.S. Herbal Pharmacopeia ..written by

herbalists. We can have several pharmacopeias. Why not??



Folks we need to take action and develop a plan ..and only a plan with broad

strokes and on a national level will help. That type of plan can only come

from herbal leaders such as those at the American Botanical Council and

similar organizations.



But please ..lets not get negative and spend time thinking about why we can't

do things and complain about a government agency that restricts. Instead,

think about solving the problem with a government agency that empowers. For

some, this may be too much to ask for.



This will be my last reply to posts from people who cannot grasp what I'm

saying here.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FDA or separate agency (OAM)

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:38:48 EST

--------

Okay, Please.  I for one do understand. What we need is an agency that is for

the people, not one that is there to tell the people what to do. We need one

that is user friendly. : )







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: FDA or separate agency (OAM)

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@ERINET.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:00:28 -0800

--------

I have to agree with all those who want the government OUT of this.



The FDA is supposed to oversee the use and marketing of new foods and

drugs, but boy, do they continue to screw up! Can you imagine that they

gave the OK to Proctor & Gamble on Olestra ( the no-fat fat) when it was

*proven* to cause diarrhea, stomach cramps and "anal leakage"? Or how

many drugs are continuously approved for humans even though there are

*pages* of side effects? Exactly who/what is the FDA's first concern?



Most people who choose to use prescription drugs blindly follow their

doctor's  instructions and never question any practices. How many people

bother to check the pills their pharmacists give them (sorry, Elliot!!)?



I think, as a rule, people who use herbals and natural/holistic

medicines are more apt to study up on their health concerns and research

the herbals they choose. Remember, most of these herbals have been

around for hundreds....even thousands of years and have a proven track

record. How long would it take the FDA/OAM to come up with a history

like that?



Yes, certainly herbals can be dangerous in the hands of the uninformed.

But what percentage of those people suffer serious permanent damage or

die as a result of improper herbal use....especially compared to the

percentages of those who suffer the same fate from FDA-approved drugs?

It was just very recently that the FDA finally pulled the prescription

diet drug Phen-fen off the market....after how many people had heart

valve damage, some serious enough to need transplants. In addition, some

of the babies born to women who took the drug have heart valve problems.



I think the government needs to stay OUT of this business. We all seem

to be doing just fine on our own, thank you!



I apologize for the rant...



Ilene







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Another FDA

From: Stephen Connors <connors2@CAMCOMP.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 11:55:28 -0500

--------

 Heck no!!! One's too many as it is. We'd do better on the honor system or

an medical Underwriter's Laboratory equivalent.







>With an intimate knowledge of the FDA I ask the question to the list...

>do you really want another FDA?  For my part, I think not!

>

>Pat Erickson

>erickson@burgoyne.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Another FDA

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:05:56 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-01 11:56:18 EST, you write:



<<

 With an intimate knowledge of the FDA I ask the question to the list...

 do you really want another FDA?  For my part, I think not!



 Pat Erickson

 erickson@burgoyne.com

  >>



Of course we don't want another agency hostile to herbals and one that's too

closely alligned with the drug industry. How about an American counterpart to

the German Commission E under the OAM? Stop thinking negatively ...that's

exactly the problem I'm talking about.



Elliot Freeman







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Another FDA

From: Pat Erickson <erickson@BURGOYNE.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 09:55:55 -0800

--------

With an intimate knowledge of the FDA I ask the question to the list...

do you really want another FDA?  For my part, I think not!



Pat Erickson

erickson@burgoyne.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: strep throat in child

From: Mumbun <Mumbun@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:17:45 EST

--------

Hello all!  I need some advice/guidance and perhaps someone on this list can

share their wisdom with me.



My three year old daughter battles strep throat at least every 3-4 months.

Her throat gets red and pusy, she gets swollen glands in her neck, and she has

this awfully high fever that goes up and down.   The pattern is such that she

comes down with a fever (only outwardly noticeable symptom) which lasts for

days, until we have to resort to antibiotics (Penicillin is the only thing

that "works").   I try not to give her paracetamol (acetaminophen in the

States) unless she is terribly uncomfortable in the middle of the night with a

very high fever.



As I write this very moment we are on another bout of strep (mother's

intuition) with the third day of fever.  Tomorrow we take a trip to our GP to

sort it out--at least for another three months.  My plan this time is to visit

our homoeopath as well.



I'm naturally concerned that she keeps getting recurrences of strep.  No one

else in our home gets it (we have three children).  I'm also concerned about

her immune system--somehow she is unable to fight this infection.  Of course,

antibiotics don't help the matter but I feel at loss for what else to resort

to. She is so sick and uncomfortable, and I have no herbal expert to consult.



Any advice is appreciated.



Amy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: strep throat in child

From: = <Ltysonhunting@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:54:06 -0700

--------

Amy,



my grandkids and even I, kept getting strep and couldn't figure it out

until we found out from the doc that my daughter, who never got it, was

a carrier.  Anyway that's what the doc said and she must have been

reinfecting us.  Go guess.



Sincerely,



Loretta Tyson

Ltysonhunting@worldnet.att.net



Mumbun wrote:

>

> Hello all!  I need some advice/guidance and perhaps someone on this list can

> share their wisdom with me.

>

> My three year old daughter battles strep throat at least every 3-4 months.

> Her throat gets red and pusy, she gets swollen glands in her neck, and she has

> this awfully high fever that goes up and down.   The pattern is such that she

> comes down with a fever (only outwardly noticeable symptom) which lasts for

> days, until we have to resort to antibiotics (Penicillin is the only thing

> that "works").   I try not to give her paracetamol (acetaminophen in the

> States) unless she is terribly uncomfortable in the middle of the night with a

> very high fever.

>

> As I write this very moment we are on another bout of strep (mother's

> intuition) with the third day of fever.  Tomorrow we take a trip to our GP to

> sort it out--at least for another three months.  My plan this time is to visit

> our homoeopath as well.

>

> I'm naturally concerned that she keeps getting recurrences of strep.  No one

> else in our home gets it (we have three children).  I'm also concerned about

> her immune system--somehow she is unable to fight this infection.  Of course,

> antibiotics don't help the matter but I feel at loss for what else to resort

> to. She is so sick and uncomfortable, and I have no herbal expert to consult.

>

> Any advice is appreciated.

>

> Amy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: strep throat in child

From: SUMARISONG <SUMARISONG@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 00:06:16 EST

--------

Hello.

        I am quite new on this list, but I was touched by your description of your

child's plight, and I decided to write.

        My suggestion to you is that you try chiropractic adjustments. My husband is

a chiropractor and nutritionist, and I am a Healing Touch practitioner, and I

can tell you that I have seen miraculous results in young children and infants

through simple adjustments! My husband explains to his patients that often

children suffer with earaches, throat infections, allergies and such because

of misalignments occurring during the birth process, or medications and

anesthesia administered to the mother.

        I do applaude your decision to hold off on the fever reducers, though,

because I understand a fever to be the body's natural way of burning away

toxins and fighting infection. (Of course I would just be sure to respond to a

very high fever with medication.)

        Look for a chiropractic physician who specializes in light-touch or Network

modalities, B.E.S.T. or Craniosacral work, if you can. I find that these are

the

gentlest and least invasive of all body work for infants.

        Feel free to write if you have questions or comments. And good luck.

Anna M.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: strep throat in child

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:13:53 -0700

--------

> My three year old daughter battles strep throat at least every 3-4

months.

> <snip>

> I'm naturally concerned that she keeps getting recurrences of strep.  No

one

> else in our home gets it (we have three children).  I'm also concerned

about

> her immune system--somehow she is unable to fight this infection.

> Amy



Amy, I used to be at the mercy of the "strep monster" when I was young (a

teenager), with at least 3 a year,  and I feel for your little one.  I

finally came upon an herbal remedy: a combination of Golden Seal, Cayenne,

and Myrrh  knocked out the strep within 72 hrs, with relief of the pain

within 12 hours. I bought it in a ready-made combination from Natures Way

(NCI), as well as other sources.

 If you can find herbs in tincture form, it will be easiest to get it into

children- not easy at all as this is "yucky" tasting.  I give herbs to my

children in "finger jello" made with juice concentrate and plain gelatin,

with the herb added after the cold water (unless I use an alcohol tincture,

in which case I add the herb to the boiled water so that the alcohol is

evaporated out).

Perhaps giving this to all the children at the same time, as well as

parents, so as to clean out the carrier, if there is one.  3 years old is

very young to have strep so often- and strep, of course, can lead to more

serious illness, so take no chances! I would keep Echinacea around the

house, and put it to use as soon as a possible infection is seen. good

luck!

margo









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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: strep throat in child

From: Mumbun <Mumbun@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 09:39:02 EST

--------

Margo:



Thanks for your advice re: my daughter's strep, and thanks to others who e-

mailed me privately.



I'm nearer to sorting out my daughter's strep recurrence issue.  I took her to

our cranial osteopath today, and she feels there is a lot of tension in her

throat and chest (due to birth trauma), which could lead to susceptibility to

throat infection (she gets a lot of viral throat infections, too).

Apparently, she is quite out of alignment (also due to a past fall on the

head).  After one treatment, her cheeks are nice and rosy and she seems pretty

happy.



I also bought some echinecea for her.



Hope I'm on the way to solving her problem.



Amy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Thyroid Nodule

From: "Janice E. Gee" <jangee@VOICENET.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 14:46:53 -0500

--------

I'm a new list member with a limited, but growing knowledge of herbs.  I

have had a non-cancerous thyroid nodule (that doesn't affect my thyroid

levels) for the past 3 years.  It is slowly growing and doesn't (as yet)

hurt.  It seems to be starting to effect my ability to swallow well.



My question is:  Does anybody know of any herbal therapy that I can use to

shrink this?  The doctor tried Synthroid for a year, but that had no effect.

He keeps mentioning surgery, but I'd rather not go that route.



So, can anybody give me advice?



Janice Gee

Media, PA







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Skin Tags & Blood sugar

From: Caryl & Evo <carylevo@COW-NET.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 12:33:10 -0800

--------

Hi List:

There was a recent thread on the relationship between skin tags and

blood sugar. I'm hoping someone saved this info or can synopsize for me.

I just changed systems and lost a bunch of stuff, including this topic

which is of interest for my Mum.

All recall appreciated...send privately please so we're not clogging the

list with a rehash.



Caryl W.

Crow Info Services

carylevo@cow-net.com



"When less becomes more, enough becomes plenty" --Sarah Ban Breathnach







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: back pain & toothaches

From: Kai forChi <KaiforChi@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:19:00 EST

--------

cannabis ...."for pain alleviation from...SEVERE back pain..."



tincture to...."make a toothache disappear in a minute flat"



Since I don't have access to that herb, any alternative suggestions?



thanks

kai







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Allopathic vs. homeopathic- what is herbal?

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 18:44:56 -0500

--------

Technically herbal medicine is allopathic, as opposed to homeopathic.  We

don't treat by inducing a similar response and we don't treat with

minimum (non substance) dose.  However "allopathic" now has the

connotations of mainstream medicine, treating the disease rather than the

"ground" (the state of the patient who is vulnerable to a disease because

of some imbalance), treating disease on a material as opposed to combined

material and spiritual basis, and using highly refined chemicals

(including those of plant origin) rather than whole plant medicinals.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 15:19:56 -0800 donna misseres <cayus@WEBTV.NET>

writes:

>Hi,

>I have a question concerning terms I have read in this series of posts

>as well as others.  The mention of allopathic medicine.......  I

>always

>thought any medicine, heral or otherwise that was not homeopathic was

>allopathic.  Homeopathic being treatment in small or minute doses of

>same or similar nature to cause symptoms will cure symptoms.

>Allopathic

>being treatment by opposite...penicilin does not cause say...strep

>throat in any  amount, but given in" large" (not minute) amounts to

>cure

>it.

>So, If one drank a large amount of herbal tea to cure a cold or cough

>would that not be allopathic?

>I am just slightly confused here on the Southern Oregon coast, Donna

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: alternative medicine

From: Pam Quinn <Pam_Quinn@JEMM.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:56:36 -0600

--------

Hi everybody,



I realize that this is off topic, but since an interest in herbs usually

goes hand in hand with an interest in vitamins and minerals as well as

other alternative medicine, does anyone know of a good list or news letter

with information on these topics?  I'm on a list for alternative medicine,

but there has been very little activity on it so far.  I was all excited

about a list the other day that was just bursting with activity on

holistic medicine - until I found out that it was holistic medicine for

cats, hahaha!!  Oh well!!  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks

in advance.



Pam







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: alternative medicine

From: Rowaan <rowaan@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 02:19:18 GMT

--------

On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:56:36 -0600, you decided to add this:



>Hi everybody,

>

>I realize that this is off topic, but since an interest in herbs usually

>goes hand in hand with an interest in vitamins and minerals as well as

>other alternative medicine, does anyone know of a good list or news letter

>with information on these topics?  I'm on a list for alternative medicine,

>but there has been very little activity on it so far.  I was all excited

>about a list the other day that was just bursting with activity on

>holistic medicine - until I found out that it was holistic medicine for

>cats, hahaha!!  Oh well!!  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks

>in advance.

>

>Pam





LOL..I did exactly the same thing!!  I am looking for a list that has not

only herbs, but vitamins, minerals, aromatherapy, etc.  I feel that would be

a great advantage not only to myself, but to my entire family.  I not only

treat with herbs, but also with daily supplements of many different things

and would like to be able to discuss those with others who do the same

thing.  If anyone knows of such a list, please let me know.  I have searched

on probably 5 different "List of Lists" PAML..Etc.  And I get pretty much

Holistic Med for Cats, or AM Newsletters..selling a product or line of

products. 



AHWBA!



Warm regards..



Michelle





'Now what I contend is that my body is my own,  at least I have always so

regarded it. If I do harm through my experimenting with it,  it is I who

suffers, not the state.' - Mark Twain



mailto:Rowaan@earthlink.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: alternative medicine

From: Calvin Burnes <cburnes@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 19:56:23 -0800

--------

if you are familiar with newsgroups, you might want

to check out a group called misc.health.alternative.

if is a very active group.



At 05:56 PM 3/1/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Hi everybody,

>

>I realize that this is off topic, but since an interest in herbs usually

>goes hand in hand with an interest in vitamins and minerals as well as

>other alternative medicine, does anyone know of a good list or news letter

>with information on these topics?  I'm on a list for alternative medicine,

>but there has been very little activity on it so far.  I was all excited

>about a list the other day that was just bursting with activity on

>holistic medicine - until I found out that it was holistic medicine for

>cats, hahaha!!  Oh well!!  Any information would be appreciated.  Thanks

>in advance.

>

>Pam

>

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: alternative medicine

From: Rowaan <rowaan@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:53:57 GMT

--------

On Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:22:31 -0600, I decided to add this:



>hi

>When I tried to go to misc.alternative.health, I got an error message.

>Did I type the name wrong under newsgroups? Thanks, Linda





Linda..



It's misc.health.alternative



Warm regards,



Michelle



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbal birth control

From: John Goude <nature@EEE.ORG>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:25:12 -0800

--------

Way back in the seventies when I was getting started with wild edible plants

one of the plant people on a camp out said there is an herb the indians used to

give a woman when she had had enough children.  The trouble was that if!  If

she lived through the treatment she would not have anymore children!  I have

since heard that some tribes would also give this to POWs and would make the

survivors members of the tribe because "they were strong".  This plant is so

dangerous I choose not to encourage any experimentation by giving its name

here.



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Yucaipa, CA 92399-5605

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need herbal advice

From: Lory2x2 <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 20:48:30 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-26 06:18:11 EST, you write:



> Can anyone provide information on herbs used to treat or reduce the symptoms

 of arthritis and/or osteoporsis. <

Try oatstraw (Avena sativa) or horsetail (Equisetum arvense) tea



>Is there any herb that would reduce the symptoms of chronic bronchitis?  I've

had it all my life but as I'm getting older the constant cough is bothering my

family. <

We use a eucalyptus salve rubbed on the chest, throat, & upper lip for our

daughter who is prone to bronchitis. If we start as soon as she shows signs of

a cold it never develops into bronchitis anymore. It stops a cough right away

when put on the upper lip. Don't put camphor or menthol in it & it won't burn.

Lory



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need herbal advice

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:58:32 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-01 20:50:46 EST, you write:



<<

 > Can anyone provide information on herbs used to treat or reduce the

symptoms

  of arthritis and/or



Ginger tea or cps 3x/day helps me.  I use fresh ginger but ground dried ginger

from your spice rack works too.   also take glucosmine sulfate.

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need herbal advice

From: "C. Davis" <rcdavis@REACH.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:30:22 -0500

--------

At 01:58 PM 3/2/98 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 98-03-01 20:50:46 EST, you write:

>

><<

> > Can anyone provide information on herbs used to treat or reduce the

>symptoms

>  of arthritis and/or

>

>Ginger tea or cps 3x/day helps me.  I use fresh ginger but ground dried

ginger

>from your spice rack works too.   also take glucosmine sulfate.

>MJH

>



I've also heard "Devil's Claw" is an anti-inflamatory.  Someone might be

able to give you more info on this herb.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need herbal advice

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:00:28 EST

--------

Capsaicin, found in cayenne and most hot peppers works for the pain inself as

a topical treatment. You can even buy it already made up and use it. That's

what works for me on my hands. Just be careful not to get it in your eyes, it

can really sting. LOL You can also make a tea by mixing red pepper into water,

although, I think I would mix mine in vegetable juice.

I've also read that you can try Pineapple juice. There is said to be an active

constituent in

pineapple that helps stop inflammation. Hope it helps.



Laura Pribil







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: need herbal advice

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:26:29 -0500

--------

>Is there any herb that would reduce the symptoms of

>chronic bronchitis?  I've had it all my life but as I'm

>getting older the constant cough is bothering my

>family.



You may want to try an herbal combination that

contains fenugreek known for it's benefits to respiratory

condition, mullein which has a relaxing affect on the

bronchials (something it sounds like you need if you

are coughing as much as you say) but is expectorant

so you will cough when you need to to get rid of

congestion, fennel which is not only associated with

helping the stomach but also treating catarhh in

the respiratory system - the one I use also contains

horseradish which opens the breathing airways but

is not particularly hot, and boneset.  You sound like

you especially need something to relax the bronchials

so that you do not cough unless it is necessary and

the mullein is helpful with this - also some studies

have shown it has antiviral properties.

If this is a chronic condition, you may need to

have someone evaluate your nutritional status,

lifestyle, diet, etc., many things improve when

we can get to the root of the problem and work

from there.



claudia:-)

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wild bay

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 1 Mar 1998 23:23:02 -0500

--------

Elizabeth-



What exactly is the plant you call wild bay?  I grew up in California

where we had bay trees, also called California laurel, which was useful

for cooking.  The leaves looked like the culinary laurel but were more

pointed.



Laurus nobilis, sweet bay or sweet laurel is the Mediterranean culinary

herb.  Prunus laurocerasus, laurel or cherry laurel, is poisonous

although sometimes used for flavoring.  Kalima latifolia, mountain

laurel, is poisonous and was used by Native Americans for suicide

(decocted leaves) and topically for skin diseases. Kalima augustifolia,

Sheep's laurel or Lambkill, is decocted and used as a  wash for ulcerated

toes.  Kalima Glauca, swamp laurel, can be used similarly and is also

poisonous internally.



Myrica ceriforia, bayberry is used primarily for candle wax but the root

bark  is astringent, stimulant and emetic.  Myrica pennsylvanica has

roots with emetic properties.  ("Bayberry" is also used for Wild

Cinnamon, Pimenta acris of the Carribbean used for bay rum).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Fri, 27 Feb 1998 07:21:39 -0800 elizabeth j powell

<elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM> writes:

>sort of as an aside to this, we have wild bay growing all over the

>mountains around here. i've plucked the leaves off and crushed them,

>inhaling the aroma while hiking and it really helps bring your breath

>back during gruelling uphill climbs.

>

>my question is, would this type of bay after drying be beneficial in

>cooking  although used in much smaller portions than its more tame

>herb-aisle cousin, or are there some properties to the wild bay that

>suggest external use only?  Also, is there any use for the berries of

>the wild bay?

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Ideas wanted for children's course

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 00:43:25 -0500

--------

I will be doing a ten week afterschool course for 4th-8th graders on

herbs and wild foods.  I would appreciate any ideas that any of you have

found useful in dealing with children of this age.  It will be a

mixed-age group, chosen by interest, held in a building with sink and

stove in a major park.  I plan to combine weed walks with classroom

projects.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ideas wanted for children's course

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:52:42 -0500

--------

Joanie-



I'd love to see what you came up with for your cirriculum and if it helps

healing YOUR trauma, so much the better.



I have done lots of "one-shot" work with schoolchildren, from

kindergarten through cub scouts.  I normally work with teens together

with adults.  But this is the first long-term course I'm doing for

children.



Incidentally, Tom Brown has written excellent books for anyone who wants

to teach survival skills and woodland awareness for children.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:23:26 -0500 macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM> writes:

>elfreem wrote

>> What we need is a government agency similar to the German

>>Commission E ...that has become the world's authority on herbs. The

>U.S.

>>Herbal Pharmacopoeia is exactly what we need ....but it only has one

>monograph

>>so far. It'll take 20 years before we see anything substantial, and I

>for

>one

>>don't want to wait that long.

>

>and Karen asked

>>I will be doing a ten week afterschool course for 4th-8th graders on

>>herbs and wild foods.  I would appreciate any ideas that any of you

>have

>>found useful in dealing with children of this age.

>

>My opinion-

>While we are waiting for what Elliot describes, we should all be doing

>what

>Karen is doing and teaching this generation of children about the

>plants and

>herbs that grow around them.  I have found that teaching children

>starting

>with the first grade how to identify the plants in their back yards,

>and

>their properties (first lesson-always introductory toxicology), to be

>the

>best way for me to try to accomplish what Elliot wants to be done (to

>guarantee that we have an informed public and a supply of herbs that

>is NOT

>regulated by knee-jerk beaurocrats) in the long run.

>

>Karen-I have a 4th and an 8th grader this year, and I've been doing

>classes

>for the younger grades for years.  As I said, introductory toxicology

>is

>lesson #1.  I had a whole curriculum that I was developing for the

>State of

>N.H., but it got zapped in my house fire.  I don't want to synopsize

>it

>here, but take more time and care to write about it more slowly, for

>myself

>as well as for any one else who might be interested.

>Let me know if you would like me to write more about what I was doing.

>There is a bit of trauma involved because of the loss, but I need to

>work on

>recreating it for myself, anyhow.

>Joanie

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ideas wanted for children's course

From: Millie <millie@WILDROOTS.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:40:58 +0000

--------

I am pretty interested in developing some topics I could teach

children in our community. Some of my ideas are showing how plants

can be used to create natural dyes to color things like easter eggs

or play dough. Perhaps those ideas are best for younger kids. You

could show the technique for identifying wildflowers and preserving

specimens too.



I would definitely  want to plan a "wild food feast" for your age

group!









~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Millie

millie@wildroots.com     http://www.wildroots.com



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ideas wanted for children's course

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 14:59:01 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-02 01:22:21 EST, you write:



<< I will be doing a ten week afterschool course for 4th-8th graders on

 herbs and wild foods.  I would appreciate any ideas that any of you have

 found useful in dealing with children of this age.  It will be a

 mixed-age group, chosen by interest, held in a building with sink and

 stove in a major park.  I plan to combine weed walks with classroom

 projects.



 Karen Vaughan

 CreationsGarden@juno.com

 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >>



I ADD:



I did this yers ago at my son's school every year for second graders and

fourth graders.  It seems that the science courses hit at that time for

plants.  We used vegetables back then because in a 6 week period of time I

could get them to see the results.  We did lettuce, onion sets, and tomato

plants which they then took home and planted in their gardens.  One year I

even found cotton and we planted that and they took it home.  They loved to

taste the leaves of the different kinds of lettuces.



In the garden when small people come to visit they seem to like the taste of

oregano, basil, chamomile (many of them have already had it as a tea and are

interested to see it grow), dill, the mints, strawberries, and hyssop.  All

seem to germinate quite easily and in the amount of time you have to see some

green growth.



I used small plastic bathroom cups; we used to use peat pots but they did get

moldy.  So the plastic were the best.  We poked a hole in the bottom, placed

them on trays, and each child wrote their name on a popsicle stick (easily

gottn in boxes of 100 from a craft store).  Then we used seed growing medium

which I had mixed with water overnight and kept warm.  They put two seeds to a

pot and then we placed saran wrap over them so that they could see the

moisture collect.  It was fun seeing them peak in each day to see if anything

was coming up yet.  When there was tiny green growth they got the biggest

smiles!  Then we removed the saran, and each child rotated watering from a

child's watering can.  It dispersed the water enough on the delicate seeds so

they didn't flood them.  They do tend to want to water and water, so that has

to be monitored a bit.  At the end of the time the child took their plants

home, but we had other projects that we used to beautify the school.  It's a

very fun and worthwhile project!



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ideas wanted for children's course

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:57:29 -0700

--------

I have two kinds of 'hands-on' courses - one for PWA's and one for children

- 7th grade on up.

The latter includes sipping various kinds of teas, munching on leaves (some

of them not so pleasant - God didn't put everything a rose garden, grin).

They also get a good look at some of the sinister side of herbs, from me

and my aide.  1st and foremost they are taught that medicinal herbs must be

used for just that purpose, only - that using them otherwise could result

in death.  They are shown beautiful plants such as Foxglove & Jimson weed

and their respective medicinal use, but told to admire them, but also give

them WIDE berth because they can cause death.  Here in the Southwest we

have several teens die every summer from Jimson weed because they had heard

you can get high on the stuff.  Same for marijuana - my aide enters here.



When I was in Vietnam, many of those around  were always stoned on the

stuff.  When we were under attack, those that were stoned were easily

picked off, and certainly did nothing by way helping defend our position.

One night, our stoned squad leader led us into an obvious ambush - he was

killed, so were many others, including my best friend, he died in my arms.

My friend & I had never tried MJ, nor did we want to do so.  He left behind

a wife & 3 children.  One of them is now my aide.  He tells what it was

like growing up without a dad.  Because others couldn't deal with reality

and decided to take the easy way out - via pot - his father was killed.

Conversely, we both teach the medicinal qualities of pot - showing how it

is used for AIDS, M/S, etc.  The kids are taught proper respect for all

herbs - when to use them, when NOT to use them.



The 'hands-on' course for PWA's is similar - with suggestions offered for

trying herbs other than pot to achieve the same purpose (turmeric shows

great promise).



BTW - for those that pine for their good ole days of the '60's - there are

some of us that see that otherwise.

I will soon turn 60 but I vividly remember being pelted by rotten tomatoes

& eggs at Oakland, by hippies - et al, when I returned from Vietnam.  Why?

I didn't kill any women or children.  I put my life on the line for those

around me that preferred to do their time over there stoned on pot.  Even

today when people learn that I'm a wannabe herbie they oft pipe up and ask

if I have any good sources to good wacky weed.  They get quite a earful, if

I'm feeling generous - otherwise, they get a boot in the butt.



I wholeheartedly support teaching children to love and respect herbs and

the world that they live in, to use them to heal others; not to use them to

escape the realities of life.





Sorry for mixing messages here - the threads on Kent & hippies were

      starting to get to me.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Ideas wanted for children's course

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:08:25 EST

--------

I don't want to go off the beaten path here, but I would just like to say that

I for one, being a parent, think  that the children's course that Tom is

suggesting is great. I was moved by just reading the E-Mail for crying out

loud. Thanks Tom for that message. It was great.





                   Laura Pribil

              Herbldy11@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Intro and question

From: Gail Freeman <freeman@SKTC.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:18:04 -0500

--------

Hi, Christine!



I've ordered from San Francisco Herb Co. for several years now and have

always been satisfied with the herbs they supplied.  They have a web site

at http://www.sfherb.com and their prices are reasonable.



My son was a member of Sigma Nu at K-State.  It's a beautiful campus, isn't

it?



Gail

SERENDIPITY Soap & Sundries

mailtofreeman@sktc.net

ICQ#1867136











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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Intro and question

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:15:27 GMT

--------

On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:18:04 -0500, Gail Freeman <freeman@SKTC.NET> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>I've ordered from San Francisco Herb Co. for several years now and have

>always been satisfied with the herbs they supplied.  They have a web site

>at http://www.sfherb.com and their prices are reasonable.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't their prices reasonable because they buy the

cheapest herbs they can find, without looking at quality at all?



It's always better to go with your local herbalists. Better yet, pick herbs

yourself, at least once, so you know what quality -should- look like; then pick

your suppliers based on how their herbs compare to your own.



Henriette



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Intro and question

From: Jane Warr <pwarr@SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:35:17 -0500

--------

Hello everyone, 

I joined three days ago and have been lurking at all the interesting topics.  I can't keep up with all the posts though!



I have a question that is tea related.  I've been told, to cover up scratches on hard wood floor, to put tea because it dyes quickly, and to the right colour.  Well, I'm literally doing it right now, and wonder if anyone has tried it before, if it worked out nicely, and if the effect was permanent or temporary.



I hope someone knows, and if not, maybe I'll let you all know my results next week.



Thanks in advance,

Jane Warr,

HEALTH FOR LIFE Consulting

http://come.to/healthforlife







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Intro and question

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:51:56 -0700

--------

>I have a question that is tea related.  I've been told, to cover up

scratches on hard wood >floor, to put tea because it dyes quickly, and to

the right colour.  Well, I'm literally



What kind of tea are you using?  Many different herbs dye very quickly, and

permanently (the ones in my garden also die quickly).

Black Walnut hulls would be good for a dark hardwood.  I spilled some

turmeric tea (bright yellow) on our new blue kitchen cabinet. It dyed very

quickly, my wife wasn't impressed;  I almost died from the withering look I

received.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal therapy of Epilepsy

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 01:26:20 -0500

--------

>Dear members of HERB List,

>Do anybody deal with phytotherapy of epilepsy?

>Do you know any centers or doctors interested in this problem?



I would be interested in information on this as well, as

two family members have this.  A recent message that I

received from someone said NEVER to eat sage if you

have epilepsy, but gave not explanation - only said it

triggered seizures and this had been proven in her

experience with family members.  Anyone know why

this would be so?



claudia:-)

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal therapy of Epilepsy

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:09:03 -0700

--------

Check out Gambir (Uncaria gambir).  Probably best to check with someone

trained in TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) - I've never seen this one in

any Western herbals.  While I don't have epilepsy, my entire right side

cannot feel hot, cold, pain (product of a stroke), yet I have intense

internal pain in the arm.  My neurologist put me on significant amounts of

Tegretol (also used for epilepsy) and carefully monitored my blood levels -

Tegretol does nasty things to liver & blood.  I ran across Gambir in my

studies, discovered that it does much the same thing (tells the brain to

shut up and quiet down already).  It worked, I weaned myself off the the

Tegretol - made the neurologist neurotic trying to figure out how that

happened.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: FDA or separate agency/Ideas wanted for children's course

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 10:23:26 -0500

--------

elfreem wrote

> What we need is a government agency similar to the German

>Commission E ...that has become the world's authority on herbs. The U.S.

>Herbal Pharmacopoeia is exactly what we need ....but it only has one

monograph

>so far. It'll take 20 years before we see anything substantial, and I for

one

>don't want to wait that long.



and Karen asked

>I will be doing a ten week afterschool course for 4th-8th graders on

>herbs and wild foods.  I would appreciate any ideas that any of you have

>found useful in dealing with children of this age.



My opinion-

While we are waiting for what Elliot describes, we should all be doing what

Karen is doing and teaching this generation of children about the plants and

herbs that grow around them.  I have found that teaching children starting

with the first grade how to identify the plants in their back yards, and

their properties (first lesson-always introductory toxicology), to be the

best way for me to try to accomplish what Elliot wants to be done (to

guarantee that we have an informed public and a supply of herbs that is NOT

regulated by knee-jerk beaurocrats) in the long run.



Karen-I have a 4th and an 8th grader this year, and I've been doing classes

for the younger grades for years.  As I said, introductory toxicology is

lesson #1.  I had a whole curriculum that I was developing for the State of

N.H., but it got zapped in my house fire.  I don't want to synopsize it

here, but take more time and care to write about it more slowly, for myself

as well as for any one else who might be interested.

Let me know if you would like me to write more about what I was doing.

There is a bit of trauma involved because of the loss, but I need to work on

recreating it for myself, anyhow.

Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Itchy Eyes

From: Ksjvidito <Ksjvidito@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 12:14:42 EST

--------

Hi,

I am writing for a friend who is having increasing trouble with red, itchy

eyelids.

It is worse in the PM, and in the morning she wakes up with swollen, puffy

eyes.

It is possible it is an allergy to her many cats, but giving them away is not

an option for her. Is there something pallative that would soothe her eyes?

There is no s/sx of infection at all. Any info will be much appreciated.

Thanks,

Katie

ksjvidito@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Itchy Eyes

From: Mara Jade <akalo@UIT.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 11:49:05 -0600

--------

-----Original Message-----

From: Ksjvidito <Ksjvidito@AOL.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Monday, March 02, 1998 11:17 AM

Subject: Itchy Eyes





>Hi,

>I am writing for a friend who is having increasing trouble with red, itchy

>eyelids.

>It is worse in the PM, and in the morning she wakes up with swollen, puffy

>eyes.

>It is possible it is an allergy to her many cats, but giving them away is

not

>an option for her. Is there something pallative that would soothe her eyes?

>There is no s/sx of infection at all. Any info will be much appreciated.

>Thanks,

>Katie

>ksjvidito@aol.com

>



  HI.... *smile*



she can try eyebright.   soak a pad in an infusion and apply to the eys as a

compress, or bathe the eyes in an eyewash  of water with 5 to 10 drops of

tincture.      if there is an infection support with antibacterials such as

purple coneflower taken internally.



to make an infusion :  boil water just as for a tea. the water should be

just off the boil since vigoursly boiling water disperses valuable volatile

oils in the steam.put the herb in a pot with a close fitting lid, pour hot

water over the herb.   leave the herb in the water to soak for 10 minutes,

then pour thru a nylon sieve into a cup. store the rest in a cool place.



to make a tincture :

put the herb into a large jar and cover with 25% mixture of alcohol ( vodka

or rum )and water. Vodka is ideal, since it contains few additives. the

alcohol acts as a perservitive and tintures will keep up to 2 years.   seal

the jar, and store in a cool place for 2 weeks. and shake it occassionally.

when ready,  fit cheesecloth around the rim of a wine press, pour the

mixture through. press the mixture through the wine press into a jug. (the

residue makes an excellant compost).  pour the strained liquid into clean

dark glass bottles using a funnel if necessary.



you can buy a tincture in a health food store also.   it may be a bit easier

and faster to use those.



info comes from "the complete medicinal herbal " by Penelopy Ody.



No commercial intent, just giving credit where credit is due.





Mara Jade



akalo@uit.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Itchy Eyes

From: Juli Kight <castle67@CP.DULUTH.MN.US>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 05:22:32 -0600

--------

I get really bad allergies in spring and fall.  I also started having reactions

to house dust when we were stipping old wall paper etc. I also have a history of

being allergic to cats but giving mine up also is not an acceptable option.  What

works for me?  One "00" or two at the very max of Ephedra (Ma Huang).  No more

red bands across the eyes, no more itching or swelling not to mention the nose

clearing! I have not had a problem since.

Juli

Herbs For Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com





Ksjvidito wrote:



> Hi,

> I am writing for a friend who is having increasing trouble with red, itchy

> eyelids.

> It is worse in the PM, and in the morning she wakes up with swollen, puffy

> eyes.

> It is possible it is an allergy to her many cats, but giving them away is not

> an option for her. Is there something pallative that would soothe her eyes?

> There is no s/sx of infection at all. Any info will be much appreciated.

> Thanks,

> Katie

> ksjvidito@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: polyps in sinus

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@IONET.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 13:24:42 -0600

--------

I have a neice who has been very sick with sinus infections. The

allopathic doctor x-rayed her and found a polyp in her sinus. She

had childhood epilepsy. She is now about 10 now. Any therapies one

could recommend. She is also overweight, or heading that direction, who

knows? Her parents fight constantly and do have their major problems.

Any help would be appreciated. Thanks in advance. I would like something

like red clover?? that would dissolve the polyp safely??

Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: polyps in sinus

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:59:00 -0500

--------

>I have a neice who has been very sick with sinus infections. The

>allopathic doctor x-rayed her and found a polyp in her sinus.



It is my understanding after dealing with this that polyps are

caused by the constant irritation of the sinus by the infections

that she is suffering, so getting to the infection is concern here.

If she is constantly having sinus infections, allergies and diet

should be evaluated.  This is not the kind of thing that one

herb is going to help, I'm afraid.  I have recently developed

sinus troubles and have had to work hard on diet, taking

anti-infection herbs and an anti-viral herb has been very

helpful called pau d'Arco.  Also, keep using the

herbal decongestant i described in a message I just

sent to the list a little while ago.  But it sounds like her

problems are complicated and a good nutritional evaluation

would be helpful.  Building the immune system is important

here as well.



God bless,

claudia:-)

--

"A cheerful heart is good medicine.." Prov. 17:22a

mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/8409

Meydrech Family Home & Herbal

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:06:45 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-02 10:56:05 EST, you write:



<< i have a friend who's suffering from the winter blues in a very *bad*

 way.  she's taking st john's wort for it, and has quit drinking coffee,

 and i was wondering if i could suggest anything else to her for this,

 aside from trying to get as much sun as possible.



 i get this too, not as bad as she's going through it, but i get it in the

 fall, so i would really like some suggestions in terms of herbs etc. as

 to how to deal with the winter blues...it can be rather debilitating for

 some.



 any ideas?



 elizabeth powell >>



I ADD:



The St. Johns Wort is good for mild to moderate depression.  Kava Kava seems

to be working very well in anxiety disorders for us at the pharmacy.



Also for people with more of a nervous condition Carmelite water is very good.

It's made from lemon balm, lemon peel, angelica root, and nutmeg.  I have had

a few people tell me it calmed them down.  But it depends are you working on

nerves, or depression.  It's important to know the difference.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Calvin Burnes <cburnes@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 19:01:11 -0800

--------

lemon balm and lemon verbina are herbs

which i think combine well with st. john's

wort and help to lift the spirits.



also, many people who take st. john's wort

increase the dosage in the wintertime to

battle the winter blues.  i have heard

many say that it is safe to take up to

6 300mg capsules/day of st. john's wort a day.



At 06:48 AM 12/30/97 -0800, you wrote:

>i have a friend who's suffering from the winter blues in a very *bad*

>way.  she's taking st john's wort for it, and has quit drinking coffee,

>and i was wondering if i could suggest anything else to her for this,

>aside from trying to get as much sun as possible.

>

>i get this too, not as bad as she's going through it, but i get it in the

>fall, so i would really like some suggestions in terms of herbs etc. as

>to how to deal with the winter blues...it can be rather debilitating for

>some.

>

>any ideas?

>

>elizabeth powell

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:31:57 EST

--------

After reading the variety of suggestions regarding SAD, I still opt for my

very favorite - and it works wonders every time -  What you need to do is go

directly to the travel agent closedst to you and book a round trip ticket to

the carribean or south pacific- minimum stay of 10 days and get lots of sun in

progressively larger doses.  Do herb walks - Talk to the local hospital and

afind out who the "healers or witch doctors are and go see them, bring back

some of their wisdom and their magic plants - and share them.

Not in my itinerary this year but it should be - winter does tend to get to be

a drag anywhere after the first of February  till life awakens anew in the

fields.  Alternatively - get a bunch of high watttage  that has a full

spectrum of light all the way to "3200 K" (kelvin - a wave length of light

which most closely matches the sun light) and sit naked in a closet (big one)

lined with aluminum foil and the lights on for an hour a day.  I read about

this in "Mother Earth News" a long time ago.  - Oh yes the SJW and Kava Mary

suggested will help  - might even make you giggle a bit while sitting in the

closet thinkin what your neighbors would think it they knew what you were

doing .

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:24:12 -0600

--------

i have a friend who's suffering from the winter blues in a very *bad* way.



I ADD: Although not really herbal unless you see some -  the best therapy I

have ever tried is a peaceful walk in the sunshine.



 Pick the sunniest part of the day, walk by yourself (leave the kiddies,

hubby, etc. home) and go see which spring wildflowers are brave enough to

poke their heads out of the ground.  Watch for birds and wildlife as you

go.  A half hour per day will make an amazing difference.  Take a different

route each time if you can.   If you live in the inner city find a park or

a neighborhood where the residents have great landscaping for your walk.

   For those week long gray days of November, use a full spectrum light

bulb in a private cubby hole and read seed catalogs or whatever materials

which are up lifting to YOUR spirit.



While travel to a foreign shore would be great, organising someone to care

for our critters would resemble a military campaign plus the budget is

tight and  I'd rather spend the money on books and seeds and a new ram for

the flock...

KB



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 09:41:15 -0500

--------

Regarding winter walks:



My sintonic opometrist lent me a pair of red-violet goggles to wear for

at least 20 minutes a day (the theoretical amount of time it takes for

all the blood to pass through the eyes) because he said my symptoms

showed that I was deficient in this portion of the light spectrum.  Since

I found stairing at a full-spectrum light bulb weak (and boring) I wore

them outside during the day.  The goggles make everything that does not

include this spectrum black.  I was shocked to see that walking outside

in the urban streets, with 4 story brownstones around got me virtually

none of this part of the spectrum.  It was only when I walked in the park

at the top of the hill that I was surrounded with the proper spectrum of

light.  So walk in an open area, where there is bright sunlight.



It is my experience  that a trip south is of great value.  The sun itself

is much stronger and helps you store up whatever the sunshine stimulates.

 That said, I have read that Inuits who work out of doors at least 2

hours per "day" in the dark winter do not suffer from the SAD that their

fellow citizens who work at inside jobs do.



My readings in auyerveda uncovered books that suggest putting water in

red or cobalt bottles and placing them in the sun to infuse the water

with light rays.  I know of at least one herbal tincture manufacturer

that infuses tinctures with colors and I suspect they mean  components

are so infused.  (Mix ten ounces of "red' alcohol with 2 ounces of herb-

or would you infuse the herb/alcohol mix in the red jar?)  I also know of

one herbalist, now deceased, who would grow her herbs with panes of

colored glass and found that the plants sought out (grew towards) the

colored light.  It might be fun to infuse your SJW with red violet and

see what happens.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:45:40 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-02 16:53:51 EST, you write:



<<  suffering from the winter blues in a very *bad*

  way.  she's taking st john's wort for it, and has quit drinking coffee, >>

I hve a diagnosis of Seasonal Affective Disorder and nothing beats bright

lights for one hour each morning on rising.  The trick is to get close enough

to the lights... 3 to 4 feet.  I use six bulbs and take a double dose of St.

John's Wort DHEA and vlerian.  Good luck

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:45:50 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-03 00:34:41 EST, you write:



<< Alternatively - get a bunch of high watttage  that has a full

 spectrum of light all the way to "3200 K" (kelvin - a wave length of light

 which most closely matches the sun light)  >>

This works well but these bulbs are 4 times as expensive as the cool whites.

I've used both full spectrm and cool and a single color, green. Not all of us

can afford yourr first recommendation, although it would be great.... anywhere

near the equator, where daylight is long and sun close to the Earth will work.

MJH







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:11:43 -0700

--------

KB - I'm with you.  However, not being a farmer, I have no need of adding a

ram to my flock.  I have larger desires - a meg of ram for my memory - the

pc can fend for itself.  Gotu Kola works, if I remember to take it.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:44:30 -0700

--------

>It is my experience that a trip south is of great value.  The sun itself



      Eek - make that Florida - not Arizona - we have enough 'snow-birds'

      as it is.  OK to just send money, though - our bowling leagues will

      appreciate that.  Besides, overcrowding cuts down on amount of

      available sunlight.  To help scare you off - I live in the Valley of

      the Sun (Phoenix).  That's a misnomer - Valley of the Smog is more

      like it.



      I do agree that SAD people are a rarity around here, though.  Those

      that are are usually northerners that just got off



      the plane.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: CooneySand <CooneySand@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:23:46 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-04 10:47:26 EST, you write:



<< Eek - make that Florida - not Arizona - we have enough 'snow-birds'

       as it is.  OK to just send money, though - our bowling leagues will

       appreciate that.  Besides, overcrowding cuts down on amount of

       available sunlight.  To help scare you off - I live in the Valley of

       the Sun (Phoenix).  That's a misnomer - Valley of the Smog is more

       like it. >>



Good morning!  I am new to this list....would love to issue a welcome for all

to Iowa...  we have had a most mild winter here due to The Child!  LOL!



I am in search of a lavendar that is truly hardy to zones 4 and 5 (even if I

must mulch them)!  I have tried and tried....I have decided this is the year

to make my last effort.



I am also looking for very aromatic herbs to begin my herb garden....I have

some medicinal herbs, now, but for the most part they are not that fragrant.

Suggestions?



Thanks for your assistance...

Blessings and light...

Sandy







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Anita Stubbs <anisown@VZINET.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:02:40 -0600

--------

>>Sandy wrote:

>I am also looking for very aromatic herbs to begin my herb garden....I have

>some medicinal herbs, now, but for the most part they are not that fragrant.

>Suggestions?



Well, Sandi,

I put out a rosemary bush last year, and it is so aromatic, I am going to

put out several this year, in different locations.  I live in Texas - mild

winters, but this one has been like no winter - and the soil is sandy loam,

high in acid - have no idea if that is good or bad for rosemary, but mine is

thriving, and smells wonderful.....



Anita

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: CooneySand <CooneySand@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:21:49 EST

--------

Dear Anita:



Thanks for the idea!  I had forgotten about rosemary...it is an annual up here

in Iowa but maybe my trouble has been putting it in regular garden

soil....maybe it needs that sand to thrive.  I just might try growing some

herbs in pots and sinking them in the ground so I can take them in during the

winter or build a cold frame.



I tried finding pineapple sage last year and could not locate it.  I'm sure

the hummingbirds would really like it and it smells so good!  I'm sure that is

probably an annual up here, also.



Blessings and light....

Sandy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 10:46:47 -0700

--------

>Thanks for the idea!  I had forgotten about rosemary...it is an annual up

here

Grows year 'round here in Arizona (it's an evergreen).  Probably because

our soil (if you can call it that) is not unlike the Med. area that is its

native soil.  The only problem with it is when it starts to die back (from

old age).  Then, you wish you hadn't planted it in the first place.  If you

have difficulties growing it that may be buried in this humorous look at

it:



The Treasury of Botany says:

   'There is a vulgar belief in Gloucestershire and other counties, that

Rosemary will not grow well unless

   where the mistress is "master"; and so touchy are some of the lords of

creation upon this point, that we

   have more than once had reason to suspect them of privately injuring a

growing rosemary in order to

   destroy this evidence of their want of authority.'



>From "A Modern Herbal" - M. Grieves



You may need to become more assertive around the house (grin).  Hope your

other 1/2 doesn't read this.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: HERBALS <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:59:57 EST

--------

Sandy...try lemon verbena, pineapple sage, lavender, rosemary, basils (many
different "flavors" available), mints, thymes, oregano, marjoram, etc. etc.
etc.



For the most part, herbs like "sweet soil", so if you are on the acidic side,
amend that soil !!!



Namaste!



Have a great HERBAL day,



Tamara D. Leonard

HERBALS@aol.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Jan Schmidt <jans@RNET.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:05:16 -0600

--------

Fellow Herbies,

 I will try posting one more time. In regards to Lavender, I live in Zone 5

and my Lady Lavender I grew from seed last year is doing nicely, a few

green tips already.

Hope this Helps,

Jan S.

mail to:jans@rnet.com

Auntie Jan's Herbs & Botanicals

'Herb Garden Delights, Herbal Soaps & Sundries made right!'

http://members.tripod.com/~auntiejans



Sandy wrote:

> I am in search of a lavendar that is truly hardy to zones 4 and 5 (even

if I

> must mulch them)!  I have tried and tried....I have decided this is the

year

> to make my last effort.

>

> I am also looking for very aromatic herbs to begin my herb garden....I

have

> some medicinal herbs, now, but for the most part they are not that

fragrant.

> Suggestions?

>

> Thanks for your assistance...

> Blessings and light...

> Sandy







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Anita Stubbs <anisown@VZINET.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:19:13 -0600

--------

First, Thomas said:

>

>Rosemary will not grow well unless

>   where the mistress is "master";



Then, Tamara said:

>For the most part, herbs like "sweet soil", so if you are on the acidic side,

amend that soil !!!



What should we deduct then?  My Rosemary is thriving in acidic soil! <LOL>



Anita Stubbs

Ani's Own Scentful Things

Canton, TX

~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:02:16 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-04 10:31:26 EST, you write:



<< It might be fun to infuse your SJW with red violet and

 see what happens.

  >>

There's a whole school of teachings on color healing, too. Dinsas is the most

modern proponent I know of.

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:02:22 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-04 11:27:37 EST, you write:



<< am in search of a lavendar that is truly hardy to zones 4 and 5 (even if I

 must mulch them)! >>

Lavendula angustifola varieties should due for you. We arre many that are over

20 years old here in southcentral lower Michigan.  f you mulch, mulch ONLY is

root system, below the branches otherwise you rrisk rotting your plants.  Good

luck

MJH

Full sun, well drained alkaline soil.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:25:59 -0700

--------

>What should we deduct then?  My Rosemary is thriving in acidic soil! <LOL>

Our soil is very alkaline, hence loves to be watered from the swimming pool

(high acid by comparison).  Plants in the garden, of any species, love

Mir-Acid.



I got some strange looks from people when I told them that my plants 'do

acid', including a police officer investigating our break-in and became

curious about my greenhouse and 'farmacy' of dried herbs.  I don't say that

no more.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:54:23 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-04 12:23:40 EST, you write:



<< rosemary...it is an annual up here

 in Iowa but maybe my trouble has been putting it in regular garden

 soil....maybe it needs that sand to thrive.  I just might try growing some

 herbs in pots and sinking them in the ground so I can take them in during the

 winter or build a cold frame. >>

Rosemary is a tenderr perennial hardy to abouy 5 degrees, as is sweet bay.

Both need sweet well drained soils.  If you want to bring rosemary in for the

winter, container grow it using caactus mix AND DO NOT SINK IT IN THE GROUND,

Root shock is what kills rosemary.

MJH







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: CooneySand <CooneySand@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 22:35:19 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-04 12:55:09 EST, you write:



<< You may need to become more assertive around the house (grin).  Hope your

 other 1/2 doesn't read this. >>



LOL!  My "other half" consists of three cats!  They don't like those smelly

old plants.  They do, however, appreciate just about any type of mint!  Maybe

I should yell at the rosemary once in awhile and stamp my foot at it?  I'm

sure my neighbors will take it in stride....they think I'm a wee teched in the

haid!



Sandy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: izzie <izzie@CVN.NET>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 12:56:13 -0500

--------

I find that in the winter I need to take a capsule every 3-4 hour and 3 at

night.   I have experienced almost immediat e relief and no side effects.

Elaine







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:44:58 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 04:20:49 EST, you write:



<<  to take a capsule every 3-4 hour  >>

What is the capsule filled with?

foxhillers







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: CooneySand <CooneySand@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:52:48 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-04 14:58:54 EST, you write:



<< Both need sweet well drained soils.  If you want to bring rosemary in for

the

 winter, container grow it using caactus mix AND DO NOT SINK IT IN THE GROUND,

 Root shock is what kills rosemary. >>



Do I want to use terra cotta or plastic pots?  Terra cotta dries out very

quickly....does rosemary like to be on the dry side?



Sandy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:19:26 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-11 04:27:10 EST, you write:



<< Do I want to use terra cotta or plastic pots?  Terra cotta dries out very

 quickly....does rosemary like to be on the dry side?

  >>

   I use both and also plastic laundry baskets lined with newspaper to contain

the growing medium and root system.  Depending on the size of the plant, use

plastic in the summer to hold moisutre and clay in the winter to help prevent

overwatering and root rot.  You repot all your tender perennials twice a year,

don't you?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help for post-surgery gallbladder problems

From: Colin Mackay <cnm@EP.BIS.ADP.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:15:04 -0500

--------

Dear all,



  My friend has had her Gall Bladder removed and is experiencing a great



  deal of discomfort and nausea. I was hoping that some kind person on

  the list would be able to give me/her some guidance regarding which

herbal

  remedies or treatments might help reduce her nausea and ease her

  discomfort. Any answers would be extremely welcome, gratefully,



 Colin Mackay







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for post-surgery gallbladder problems

From: HERBALS <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 17:13:49 EST

--------

In a message dated 3/2/98 4:51:32 PM Eastern Standard Time, cnm@EP.BIS.ADP.COM

writes:



<< My friend has had her Gall Bladder removed and is experiencing a great



   deal of discomfort and nausea.  >>





Ginger tea would be very good for the nausea, also peppermint tea.



Tamara D. Leonard

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for post-surgery gallbladder problems

From: "`I" <Ltysonhunting@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 15:47:47 -0700

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Hi Colin,

try some ginger or pepperment tea for the nausea and I used cardamon

essential oil (among others) in a light massage for my daughter when she

had cancer surgery.  I also use the ginger and pepperment essential oils

for tea for her tummy (about 3 drops in a cup of hot water & mix

essential oil with honey first.  If you're not familiar with essential

oils be careful because they are potent and can be more than

irritating.  Good luck.



Sincerely,



Loretta Tyson

Ltysonhunting@worldnet.att.net



Colin Mackay wrote:

>

> Dear all,

>

>   My friend has had her Gall Bladder removed and is experiencing a great

>

>   deal of discomfort and nausea. I was hoping that some kind person on

>   the list would be able to give me/her some guidance regarding which

> herbal

>   remedies or treatments might help reduce her nausea and ease her

>   discomfort. Any answers would be extremely welcome, gratefully,

>

>  Colin Mackay







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for post-surgery gallbladder problems

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:49:24 EST

--------

Ginger is very good for nausea, she could drink it as a tea. Cinnamon is also

good for nausea. Ginger is even recommended for morning sickness. The only

time I would be

hesitant in using ginger for nausea is in the case of chemotherapy. If a

person's blood clotting ability is impaired do to chemo then they should not

use ginger. However, ginger also has 8 liver protecting compounds in it. Good

luck to your friend and I hope it works.

 I am not a doctor or a nurse, I am making a suggestion to you based on

reading from many books, one being  the Green Pharmacy by James Duke.



Laura Pribil

Herbldy11@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help for post-surgery gallbladder problems

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 13:45:41 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-02 17:07:11 EST, you write:



<<  remedies or treatments might help reduce her nausea  >>

Ginger is a good herb for nausea.  Fresh into yogurt or other food or as tea

three to four times daily.

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fw: alternative medicine

From: Bill Winston <b.winston@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 18:34:11 -0500

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There is a list for holistic medicine.  email to LISTSERV@SIU.EDU

subject blank, body must be

Subscribe HOLISTIC-L

------

> From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

> To:

> Subject: Re: alternative medicine

> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 1997 9:35 AM

>

> On Sun, 1 Mar 1998 17:56:36 -0600 Pam Quinn <Pam_Quinn@JEMM.COM> writes:

> >Hi everybody,

> >

> >I realize that this is off topic, but since an interest in herbs

> >usually

> >goes hand in hand with an interest in vitamins and minerals as well as

> >other alternative medicine, does anyone know of a good list or news

> >letter

> >with information on these topics?  I'm on a list for alternative

> >medicine,

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Diabetes, gurmar, insulin

From: Sherm <sherman@OSWEGO.OSWEGO.EDU>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 20:16:05 -0500

--------

Hello,



I have a few questions about Diabetes and the application of Gurmar (I

have read the past posts and done some research on my own)  The research

sounds promising.  My mother is the one in question here by the way.  But

anyway, she is currently insulin-dependant and I was wondering if anybody

could tell me the dangers, or have any ideas about possible use of this

herb with her also taking insulin as prescribed.  Will there be any

harmful affects of using them together, will there be any complications

with using them and does anyone have any research involving this subject.

One of he problems we are having right now is that my parents can not

afford health insurance so we are without any professional opinions, and

also even if we did have a doctor to speak to about this, the doctors i

have spoken to in the recent past about herbal medecine in combination

with more conventional treatments are somewhat lacking in knowledge in

that area.  Thank you ahead of time to anyone that can help me with this

problem.

Dan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Slippery Elm

From: ida i yoder <yoderi@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:23:15 -0500

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Does anyone have information on the medicinal value of the roots or bark

of the Slippery (or Red) Elm tree?



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:42:13 EST

--------

<<

 Does anyone have information on the medicinal value of the roots or bark

 of the Slippery (or Red) Elm tree?

  >>



Slippery Elm (Ulmus fulva) Names : Red Elm

Habitat : Central and Northern USA.

Collection : The bark is stripped from the trunk and large branches in the

spring. In commercial use this usually leads to the tree dying, as a large

part of the bark is stripped. Ten year old bark is recommended.

Part Used : Inner bark.

Constituents : Mucilage, composed of galactose, 3-methyl galactose, rhamnose

and galacturonic acid residues.

Actions : Demulcent, emollient, nutrient, astringent, anti-inflammatory.



Indications : Slippery Elm Bark is a soothing nutritive demulcent which is

perfectly suited for sensitive or inflamed mucous membrane linings in the

digestive system. It may be used in gastritis, gastric or duodenal ulcer,

enteritis, colitis and the like. It is often used as a food during

convalescence as it is gentle and easily assimilated. In diarrhoea it will

soothe and astringe at the same time. Externally it makes an excellent

poultice for use in cases of boils, abscesses or ulcers.



        Priest & Priest tell us that it is the best demulcent for internal and

external use. It lubricates and soothes alimentary mucosa, relieves intestinal

irritation, and quietens the nervous system They give the following specific

indications : acute gastritis and duodenal ulcer, gastritis, diarrhoea,

dysentary, enteritis. Inflammation of the mouth and throat. Vaginitis. Burns,

scalds and abrasions. Haemorrhoids and anal fissure. Varicose ulcer.

Abscesses, boils, carbuncles, inflamed wounds and ulcers.



        Kings Dispensatory describes it as nutritive, expectorant, diuretic,

demulcent and emollient. In mucous inflammations of the lungs, bowels,

stomach, bladder or kidneys, it may be used freely in the form of a

mucilaginous drink (1 ounce of the powdered bark to 1 pint of water). It is

highly beneficial in diarrhoea, dysentary, coughs, pleurisy, strangury and

sore throat, in all of which it tends powerfully to allay the inflammation.



Combinations : It combines well with just about the whole materia medica!

Preparations & Dosage : Decoction: use l part of the powdered bark to 8 parts

of water. Mix the powder in a little water initially to ensure it will mix.

Bring to the boil and simmer gently for l0-l5 minutes, Drink half a cup three

times a day. Poultice: mix the coarse powdered bark with enough boiling water

to make a paste.



from: The herbalist by David Hoffman.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:23:35 EST

--------

Slippery Elm is a plant that is high in mucilaginous compounds.  When mixed

with water it can swell and form a gel. It also has the ability to retain heat

which makes it good for a poultice. It is used to soothe irritated membranes

because it's gel can coat and soothe and aid in healing. In larger does can

have a mild laxative action in smaller does it can

prevent diarrhea.  Boiling destroys it's efficiency, it needs to be mixed with

warm or cold water.  When mixed with marshmallow it can make a nice healing

paste for eczema.





      Laura Pribil







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 06:15:36 GMT

--------

On Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:23:15 -0500, ida i yoder <yoderi@JUNO.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Does anyone have information on the medicinal value of the roots or bark

>of the Slippery (or Red) Elm tree?



It is the mucilaginous bark of Ulmus fulva. Unfortunately there are only so many

Slippery Elm trees left, so instead you might want to use some of these: Malva,

Sidalcea, Spaeralcea, Alcea, Althaea... root, leaf or flower.



Henriette



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      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:51:38 -0700

--------

>It is the mucilaginous bark of Ulmus fulva. Unfortunately there are only

so many

>Slippery Elm trees left, so instead you might want to use some of these:

Malva,

>Sidalcea, Spaeralcea, Alcea, Althaea... root, leaf or flower.



I have many clients that are devoted to Essiac - Slippery Elm is a key

ingredient.

Yes, I could use other things, but these clients are positive that only

Slippery Elm will work (because Renee' said so).  Far be it for me to

fiddle with bodymindspirit - I make sure that they only get Slippery Elm.



As for availability of trees, some years back I lived in Mass., my neighbor

had a beautiful stand of them in his yard, allowed me to 'wild craft' all I

wanted.  I came home one day to find that he had cut them all down - sigh.

I quickly harvested as much bark as I could get before they were fed to the

'sawdust maker'.  Managed to get almost 100lbs.  He admired his new lawn, I

pined for the trees.



I have one friend with an ulcer - taught him how to make Slippery Elm

gruel, which he has for breakfast.  We've tried other things, but Slippery

Elm works best - for him.  Now, he won't take anything else - ok - whatever

works for bodymindspirit.  Slippery Elm it is!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: LuvlyLin <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 14:20:15 EST

--------

I had been trying for two years to locate a local grower or mail-order

supplier of the live tree. I was extremely delighted to find both the seeds

and the tree(small)

in richters catalog this year. NCI.  Those of us with room and the capability

to stay in one place for 20+ years should start replanting and nurturing this

vanishing tree.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:48:01 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-05 14:44:15 EST, you write:



<< t replanting and nurturing this

 vanishing tree. >>

And learn how to prrotect it from Dutch elm dsease.

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: LuvlyLin <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 08:53:50 EST

--------

Good point. How do you avoid Dutch Elm Disease or treat it once it begins?

Luvlylin@AOL.COM







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Slippery Elm

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:32:32 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 10:38:54 EST, you write:



<< ood point. How do you avoid Dutch Elm Disease or treat it once it begins?

 Luvlylin@AOL.COM >>

Contact your local county coopertive extension serrvice horticulturalist and

ask what's the currently most effective treament.

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Kidney Stones

From: MDLukacs <MDLukacs@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 21:52:52 EST

--------

Hi everyone --



I have a friend who has been many recent bouts with kidney stones, and the

doctor has now told her she has another one, and that there is nothing he can

do for this so she needs to accept this for the rest of her life.  Is there

something she can take herbally to eradicate this situation?



Thanks much,

Denise







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Kidney Stones

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 2 Mar 1998 23:54:38 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-02 21:55:39 EST, you write:



> I have a friend who has been many recent bouts with kidney stones, and the

>  doctor has now told her she has another one, and that there is nothing he

> can

>  do for this so she needs to accept this for the rest of her life.  Is there

>  something she can take herbally to eradicate this situation?

>

Denise,



There are two approaches - one herbal - the other not - I would suggest in

both instances that your friend drink cranberry juice and take cranberry -

powdered or extract.  althernative one - use herbs high in calcium and

magnesium  - those that will suit him, or, and this is one time I prefer this

approach over the pure herbal one since you need to take large amounts of

herbs to get the minerals you need and can get in a couple of tablets - have

him take a calcium/magnesium supplement at twice or three times the suggested

doseage on the bottle.  While the "conventional medical community continues to

say that there is nothing they can do, the 'alternative" community has long

known that stones are an indication of a calcium and magnesium deficoency in

the body . Again I speak from direct personal and very very painful personal

experience and  knowledge.  From about 25 to just shy of 40, I had stones

every 6-8 months and I too was told that I just had to grin and bear it.  Then

a wonderful herbalist/naturopath suggeted that I try the calcium and magnesium

- Knock on wood- I haven't had a single episode in the 12 years since -  Hope

that this helps.   I've also suggested this to a number of folks who had been

plagued and it appears to have worked for them as well.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Kidney Stones

From: Ray Bayley <silwit@SUBA.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 00:56:33 -0600

--------

Peter wrote

>There are two approaches - one herbal - the other not - I would suggest in

>both instances that your friend drink cranberry juice and take cranberry -

>powdered or extract.  althernative one - use herbs high in calcium and

>magnesium  - those that will suit him, or, and this is one time I prefer this

>approach over the pure herbal one since you need to take large amounts of

>herbs to get the minerals you need and can get in a couple of tablets - have

>him take a calcium/magnesium supplement at twice or three times the suggested

>doseage on the bottle.  While the "conventional medical community continues to

>say that there is nothing they can do, the 'alternative" community has long

>known that stones are an indication of a calcium and magnesium deficoency in

>the body .



The below easily applies to nutritional supplementation but the cranberry

issue is food and one could have herbs high in calcium but not in magnesium

theoretically, just like we have foods high in calcium but not magnesium.

Magnesium is not as common in US soils, gets washed out easier, gets

inhibited by some common (more inorganic, high phosphate) fertilizers, if I

remember my old studies in agriculture.



There are peer-reviewed journal articles on kidney calcium oxalate stones

using nutrition (e.g. as abstracted in Werbach's _Nutritional Influences on

Illness_) but none I have seen (yet) claim that calcium oxalate stones are

a deficiency of calcium--magnesium easily but not calcium.  My take from a

biochem standpoint is that giving calcium would actually be contraindicated

but I know of no studies on that (besides it would be questionable

ethically to do any but incidental case and population studies).



There are other kinds of kidney stones, though less common.  Some of them,

like the phosphate, urate, etc ones, from what I recall, would be actually

more likely to happen in an acidic environment, acid urine, that cranberry

would produce.



What I teach my students is "be empirical" but beware.  If there are any

worries of kidney stone formation and studies haven't been done on a given

approach, hopefully routine microscopic exam of the urine at its most

concentrated (e.g. morning first void) would reveal crystals being formed.

However, that is "rolling the dice", safer would be to only do that which

is studied.  Therefore, what sort of kidney stone did you have, Peter?  Was

it other than calcium oxalate?  If it was calcium oxalate have you tried

just emphasizing calcium without magnesium?



Ray Bayley

silwit@suba.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Kidney Stones

From: "John J. Macuga" <macugajr@GTE.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 07:22:45 +0200

--------

At 09:52 PM 3/2/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hi everyone --

>

>I have a friend who has been many recent bouts with kidney stones, and the

>doctor has now told her she has another one, and that there is nothing he can

>do for this so she needs to accept this for the rest of her life.  Is there

>something she can take herbally to eradicate this situation?

>

>Thanks much,

>Denise

>

Try an infusion of HORSETAIL. Aso use it for a sitz bath.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Kidney Stones

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:16:39 -0900

--------

At 07:22 AM 3/3/98 +0200, you wrote:

>At 09:52 PM 3/2/98 EST, you wrote:

>>Hi everyone --

>>

>>I have a friend who has been many recent bouts with kidney stones, and the

>>doctor has now told her she has another one, and that there is nothing he

can

>>do for this so she needs to accept this for the rest of her life.  Is there

>>something she can take herbally to eradicate this situation?

>>

>>Thanks much,

>>Denise

>>

>Try an infusion of HORSETAIL. Aso use it for a sitz bath.

>

>

She may need to examine her diet and lifestyle.  Eliminate ALL antacids!!!

If you supplement calcium, make sure it is a readily assimilable form such

as chelate, citrate or colloidal.

Examine the diet for suspected allergens.  Eliminate them and add them one

at a time back into the diet after a period of time.

Adequate ingestion of water is essential.  Sometimes more acid is needed in

the diet.  A daily dose of a tsp of lemon juice or vinegar can sometimes

remedy that.

Taking Swedish Bitters can help repair impaired digestion (of which this

problem is a result).  You should also help the liver with some dandelion

root and/or Milk thistle.

Intake of sugars (any type of sugars) should be greatly reduced or

better--eliminated.  Sugars make the system more alkaline and inhibit

proper digestion.  Reduction in the intake of fats can be helpful.  Often a

person will get heartburn from improper digestion brought on by sugars and

begin to take antacids.  The result of this is assuredly kidney stones.

After having had them three times, I speak from experience.  I've not had

another problem for 15 years following this advice.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Kidney Stones

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:41:24 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-02 21:55:54 EST, you write:



<<

 Hi everyone --



 I have a friend who has been many recent bouts with kidney stones, and the

 doctor has now told her she has another one, and that there is nothing he can

 do for this so she needs to accept this for the rest of her life.  Is there

 something she can take herbally to eradicate this situation?



 Thanks much,

 Denise

  >>



She should be increasing her intake of dietary calcium. Kidney stones are

primarily calcium oxalate crystals and up until last year, most experts have

recommended a decrease in calcium so as to limit stone formation. More than

one study, however, has shown that increased consumption of dietary calcium

actually reduces stone formation. Calcium supplements can be taken also, but

only with meals. The problem isn't calcium ..its oxalate ..and in a meal

calcium will bind to oxalate and prevent its absorption.



Curhan GC. A Prospective Study of Dietary Calcium and Other Nutrients and the

Risk of Symptomatic Kidney Stones. N Engl J Med 1993;328:833-8



Liebman M. Effect of Dietary Calcium on Urinary Oxalate Ecretion After Oxalate

Loads. Am J Clin Nutr 1997;65:1453-9



Cuhan GC. Comparison of Dietary Calcium with Supplemental Calcium and Other

Nutrietns as Factors Affecting the Risk for Kidney Stones in Women.

Ann Intern Med 1997;126:497504



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Kidney Stones

From: Ray Bayley <silwit@SUBA.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 22:53:21 -0600

--------

Thanks for the references Elliot!



>actually reduces stone formation. Calcium supplements can be taken also, but

>only with meals. The problem isn't calcium ..its oxalate ..and in a meal

>calcium will bind to oxalate and prevent its absorption.

>

>Curhan GC. A Prospective Study of Dietary Calcium and Other Nutrients and the

>Risk of Symptomatic Kidney Stones. N Engl J Med 1993;328:833-8

>

>Liebman M. Effect of Dietary Calcium on Urinary Oxalate Ecretion After Oxalate

>Loads. Am J Clin Nutr 1997;65:1453-9

>

>Cuhan GC. Comparison of Dietary Calcium with Supplemental Calcium and Other

>Nutrietns as Factors Affecting the Risk for Kidney Stones in Women.

>Ann Intern Med 1997;126:497504

>Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor



Ray Bayley

silwit@suba.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Kidney Stones

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 23:50:27 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-03 01:57:17 EST, Ray asked:



> what sort of kidney stone did you have, Peter?  Was

>  it other than calcium oxalate?  If it was calcium oxalate have you tried

>  just emphasizing calcium without magnesium?

>

The last one which was a real doozer measuring 1/4x1/8/x1/16 - - Yes - believe

it - with neat little crystalline structures emerging and sharp edges all over

was a calcium stone that lodged in my bladder for months and gave the medical

world fits in trying to figure out what was causing the kind of pain I was

having since it did not fit any "known" symptom.  When I did pass it they

found it rather quickly on the X-rays and said that they thought it was a

water stain on the film - "stone couldn't be that big"  but it was - and I

gave up part for testing kept the thing - still have it in a test tube -  in

response to your question about calcium alone without magnesium  - nope - what

I take is working - has for years - not about to change now and run the risk

of subjecting myself to another 3 or 4 days trying to find the one position on

a hard floor that makes the excruciating pain more bearable.  been there -

done that  -  If someone wants to do a "clinical study" they may - but there

isn't enough money printed to pay me to go through that again.  PS the

caranberry is to act as a diuretic - not to acidify the system though that may

be one of the results - and the acid woulkd tend to keep the crystals from

forming - yes?

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sugar cravings/needs

From: Sandra M Hawkins <shawkins@COMPASS.MACC.CC.MO.US>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 08:40:47 -0600

--------

At 03:46 PM 2/24/98 -0900, you wrote:

>At 10:31 AM 2/24/98 -0700, you wrote:

>>Hello all!

>>

>>Lurker here.

>>

>>Question on needs for sugar.  For the past several months I have had an

>increased

>>need for sugar, mostly in the afternoon.  I love Snickers, but for some

>reason I

>>have begun to eat more sweets every day than I have in the past.  I seem

>to remember

>>something on the list some long time ago about something my body is trying

>to  tell

>>me.  I'm 51, female.  Any help?

>>

>>Thanks!

>>

>>Lynn

>>Lompico, Ca.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!

>>http://www.mailexcite.com

>>

>>

>Be very careful.  Have your blood sugar checked for both diabetes and

>hypoglycaemia.  Above all AVOID eating excessive sugar.  Instead of that

>Snickers bar, grab some Jerky or a few nuts.  Drink some water as well.  DO

>NOT SKIP MEALS EVER!!!!  Make sure you get some protein with each meal.  Go

>get the Zone books by Barry Sears.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>I have a problem with sugar also.  When ever I eat too much of it, I'll get

hyper, but then my blood sugar level bottoms out and I become shaky and

lightheaded, I've passed out one time from this.  It also happens when I

don't eat food for a while(like 4-5hours)Do you have any suggestions for me?

And could it somehow be linked with my mild case of insomnia?  I'm 19/female

oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

*           Sandy Hawkins             *

~   shawkins@compass.macc.cc.mo.us    ~

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sugar cravings/needs

From: "`I" <Ltysonhunting@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 09:09:54 -0700

--------

Sandra,



Sounds to me like you have a classic case of hypoglcemia.  There are

lots of books and info you can read to help yourself.  It can get worse

so check it out.



Siincerely,



Loretta Tyson

Ltysonhunting@worldnet.att.net



> >I have a problem with sugar also.  When ever I eat too much of it, I'll get

> hyper, but then my blood sugar level bottoms out and I become shaky and

> lightheaded, I've passed out one time from this.  It also happens when I

> don't eat food for a while(like 4-5hours)Do you have any suggestions for me?

> And could it somehow be linked with my mild case of insomnia?  I'm 19/female

> oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo

> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

> *           Sandy Hawkins             *

> ~   shawkins@compass.macc.cc.mo.us    ~

> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

> oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo oOOo







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep throat in child

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 10:47:48 -0500

--------

> My three year old daughter battles strep throat at

>least every 3-4 months.



I started my children on herbs at 3 & 5 - it was one of the

best things i ever did for them.  Personally, strep throat was

a yearly struggle for me - at least I got it down to yearly with

herbs and good diet, but now it is a thing of the past.  I tried

a combination of herbs that contained Golden Seal, parthenium

(acts a bit like echinacea) capsicum and i believe some yarrow.

That helped some, but not enough.  Then I learned that Myrrh

had an affinity for the throat, and that Golden Seal is not

particularly the best thing for folks like me who tend toward

low blood sugar...so I changed to the same combination, except

the Golden Seal was replaced with Myrrh - and it was a

wonderful discovery for me.  Now as soon as I even feel a

sore throat coming on, I start immediately taking it and it goes

away.   I have used it even when a bit of white puss was present

on the tonsils - then it took a couple days of taking it to get rid

of that.  Have her gargle with warm, salt water, if she will do

it without swallowing it.  If she has a high fever and the strep is

bad, I'd get her to the doctor for antibiotics as this will go into

scarlet fever and can damage the heart, but also get yourself

some high quality brand of the combination mentioned above -

if it doesn't work, it's not a good brand.  You should give this

to her on a regular basis for - I would say a few months, to this

underlying infection out of her system.  She should also be on

acidophilus to replace the good bacteria that is being killed by

the antibiotic - there are chewable varieties of this - give it to

her a couple hours seperate from the antibiotics, and daily after

the antibiotics are used up, that is if you do finally have to resort

to the antibiotic.  One way or the other, if she has been on antibiotics



regularly, she needs this.



Your next trick is going to be getting it into her - I have never

used an extract of it so don't know how well it will work...when

my daughter was three, we mixed it in with apple sauce and

called it "yuks" because it tasted "yucky" and she just had eat

it - and "chased" it down with apple juice.  Also the capsules,

whole, in apple sauce or yogurt, if you let them sit a minute they

get soft, and some children can swallow them down with a

mouthful of the apple sauce/yogurt.



Hope you find a solution for your little one.



claudia:-)

--

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep throat in child

From: Mumbun <Mumbun@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:07:56 EST

--------

Claudia:



thanks for all the advice.  I will try my best to implement the suggestions

you and others gave me on this list.  I already visited the cranial osteopath,

and she feels that my daughter has a lot of tightness in her cranium, throat,

and chest (probably as a result of old birth trauma and a few bad bumps she

has had on her head!).  She is working on releasing it and feels this may

prevent further infections from continually settling in her throat.



Amy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep throat in child

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:28:38 -0900

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At 12:07 PM 3/3/98 EST, Mumbun wrote:

>Claudia:

>

>thanks for all the advice.  I will try my best to implement the suggestions

>you and others gave me on this list.  I already visited the cranial

osteopath,

>and she feels that my daughter has a lot of tightness in her cranium, throat,

>and chest (probably as a result of old birth trauma and a few bad bumps she

>has had on her head!).  She is working on releasing it and feels this may

>prevent further infections from continually settling in her throat.

>

>Amy

>

>

The tightness is probably from weakness in the lungs and stressed liver and

kidneys.  Recurring bouts of strep can be kindled in people weakened from

allergies.  (been there).

You must apply appropriate antibacterials,  in this case use Goldenseal

(the hydrastine in goldenseal is an effective element so substitutions may

not apply), Myrrh, Coptis and Barberry are good.

To tend to the inflammation in the liver, stomach and kidneys, you can use

Swedish bitters or use dandelion root, gentian, coptis, peppermint,

Boneset, etc.

Copious amounts of Peppermint, boneset, yarrow, elderberry flowers or other

suitable diaphoretics are essential to disperse inflammation and heat.  A

quart a day of infusion is MINIMUM.

Don't mess around with this either.  There is danger of heart damage.  If

you can't bring about noticeable effective change in a day or two, go get

some anti-biotics, bring it under control and start from a controlled

position to PREVENT further attacks.

Diet should be scupulously analyzed for allergens, excessive sugar intake

or chemicals.

Have them change from soft drinks to peppermint tea, iced or otherwise

and/or dandelion root beverage.  Daily doses of Swedish Bitters can help

bring digestion into balance.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep throat in child

From: MARDI2GRAS <MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:49:50 EST

--------

Please explain swedish bitters to me, someone had suggested to me once to use

this for pancreatitis and helping the liver. thanks Debra







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep throat in child

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:37:47 -0900

--------

At 05:49 PM 3/4/98 EST, you wrote:

>Please explain swedish bitters to me, someone had suggested to me once to use

>this for pancreatitis and helping the liver. thanks Debra

>

>

There are a number of recipies for Swedish bitters floating around out

there.  Some of these are available in commercial products which you should

be able to find in health food stores.  They consist of mainly bitter herbs

used to stimulate the digestive organs and eliminative organs (not

necessarily as laxatives).  I have a bunch of formulas in my files.

For example:

Digestive GRAPE BITTERS

Grape juice, Gentian, Goldenseal, Angelica, Magnolia bark, Dill,

Astragalus, Yerba santa, Juniper berry, Cardamom, Sarsaparilla, Pau darco,

Yarrow, Atractylodes, Ginger root, Galangal, Coriander & Orange peel

extracted in 40% grain alcohol and purified water.



There are also Bitters formulas for female problems, bowels, etc.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep throat in child

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 07:07:12 -0800

--------

>At 05:49 PM 3/4/98 EST, you wrote:

>>Please explain swedish bitters to me, someone had suggested to me once to use

>>this for pancreatitis and helping the liver. thanks Debra

>>

>>

>There are a number of recipies for Swedish bitters floating around out

>there.  Some of these are available in commercial products which you should

>be able to find in health food stores.  They consist of mainly bitter herbs

>used to stimulate the digestive organs and eliminative organs (not

>necessarily as laxatives).  I have a bunch of formulas in my files.

>For example:

>Digestive GRAPE BITTERS

>Grape juice, Gentian, Goldenseal, Angelica, Magnolia bark, Dill,

>Astragalus, Yerba santa, Juniper berry, Cardamom, Sarsaparilla, Pau darco,

>Yarrow, Atractylodes, Ginger root, Galangal, Coriander & Orange peel

>extracted in 40% grain alcohol and purified water.

>

>There are also Bitters formulas for female problems, bowels, etc.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



I like this recipe, Anita, but where does the grape juice come in?  Do you

extract the herbs in the 40% alcohol and after straining, add it to grape

juice to drink?  If so, how much of the extraction to how much juice?



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal History Trivia Game 5

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 12:13:58 EST

--------

This history segment is presented in honor of the Native Americans, without

whom much of our plant materica medica would be unknown to us:



Dr. Johann David Schopf, a German physician, published in 1787 a list of 355

vegetable remedies indigenous to the eastern U.S., many of which were

reputedly learned from Native Americans.



Several medical writers have briefly mentioned Joe Pye, a New Englnd Indian

Healer hose name is perpetuated by Joe Pye (or Jopi) weed (Eupatorium

perpureum). Its is reported that he used this plant to produce profuse

sweating

in the treatment of  typhus fever [Historie de la Louisiane I, 135-36,

207-209].

The rhizome and roots of this plant, also known as purple boneset, gravel

root, and queen of the meadow, were official in the U.S. Pharmacopeia from

1820 to 1842.



Many a white man owes his life to the medical knowledge of the Indians, wrote

A. Hyatt Verell "and I can personally testify to the efficiency of Indians as

physicians, for I was safely brought through an attack of yellow fever by

Indians and Indian medicines." [The American Indian, 121]



John McIntosh was a medicine man of Potawatomi origin who treated white people

in Iowa. McIntosh claimed he used swamp milkweed (Ascelpias incarnata) to

recover four long worms from a Cedar Rapids woman. A root tea of this plant

was said to excpel the worms in an hour.



Verrill credited the Indians with the discovery of the medicinal value of the

American species of arnica. The flowers were official in the USP 1851-1925,

and in the NF, 1925 to 1960. The root was official in the USP 1882-1905.



Few Indian remedies have been more celebrated than in the treatment for snake

bite. It was claimed that Indians were "the best physicians for the Bite of

these and all other venoumous Creatures of this Country. There are four

sorts of Snake-Roots already discovered, which Knowledge came from the

Indians, who have performed several great Cures." [Lawson J. History of North

Carolina 1917, pg 133]



What are other common names and/or Latin names of four herbs used by Native

Americans and settlers for snake bites in earlier frontier days?





reference used:

American Indian Medicine by Virgil Vogel



prepared by:

Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



(contact me at Elfreem@aol.com to subscribe to an upcoming herb/nutrition

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia Game 5

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:32:48 -0700

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Echinacea, Black Cohosh, Plantain & Burdock?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia Game 5

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 20:14:21 -0500

--------

elfreem's question-

>What are other common names and/or Latin names of four herbs used by Native

>Americans and settlers for snake bites in earlier frontier days?



Well, these may not be THE  herbs that you have in mind, but here are some

snake bite herbs used in the Iroquois tradition:



Adiantum peltatum.   Maidenhair Fern-fronds.



Ranunculus abortivus.  Small-flowered or Kidney-leaf Crowfoot (a buttercup)

roots.



Waldsteinia fragarioides.  Barren or False Strawberry.



Fraxinus americana.  White Ash root bark.



Prenanthes alba.  White Lettuce or Rattlesnake-Root.



Prenanthes trifoliata.  Gall of the Earth Root.



Calla palustris.  Water Arum or Wild Call roots and stems combined with

Scirpus tabermaemontanii-Tule or Great Bulrush plant.



(Source- Iroquois Medical Botany,  by James W. Herrick. 1995)



Most of these are pretty common plants around here, in New England.



Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia Game 5

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:43:45 EST

--------

Herbal History Trivia Game 5



>What are other common names and/or Latin names of four herbs used by Native

>Americans and settlers for snake bites in earlier frontier days?



answer:



Actually, if you've been paying attention to the replies on this thread, more

than four herbal remedies have been employed for the treatment of snake bites

....not only during frontier days but up through the 1930s. I'll elaborate on

the four that (I think) are more well known and have "snakeroot" as part of

their common names.The first snakeroot below became popular in this century

through the efforts of eclectic physicians and John Uri Lloyd, a pharmacist

who prepared  formulations of herbal extracts solely for the eclectic

community and who, along with Dr. Harvey Felter, authored Kings American

Dispensatory in 1898.



1) Kansas Snakeroot, or more commonly called purple coneflower, is none other

than Echinacea Angustofolia. As many on the herb list know, there are a number

of other species of echinacea, including E. Purpurea and E. pallida.  H.F.C

Meyer, a lay doctor from Nebraska, was said to have "discovered" the virtues

of E. angustifolia from Native Americans. Around 1870, Meyer began making and

selling a patented medicine called Meyer's Blood Purifier which contained

echinacea extract, hops, and wormwood among other things. Around 1885, Meyers

wrote to the famous eclectic physician Dr. King and pharmacist John Uri Lloyd,

sending them a sample of his preparation and invited them to market it. King

wrote back that he wouldn't consider trying or marketing the product without

knowing all the ingredients. After reading all the claims made on the product

label, Lloyd was convinced Meyers was a quack and a fraud. But Meyers was

persistent and offered to have a rattlesnake bite him so that King and Lloyd

could watch the results of the echinacea antidote take effect.



Ellingwood relates an experiment perfomed on Meyers himself as follows: "With

the courage of his convictions upon him, he injected the venom of the crotalus

(rattlesnake) into the first finger of his left hand; the swelling was rapid

and in six hours was up to the elbow. At this time he took a dose of the

remedy, bathed the part thoroughly, and laid down to pleasant dreams. On

awakening in four hours, the pain and swelling were gone." (Ellingwood, 1919)

Ellingwood also cited a case of tarantula bite in which echinacea removed all

trace of the poison (Bergner, 1997).



Rattlesnake venom has potent hyaluronidase activity which disrupts the

hyaluronic acid gel-like system within the connective tissue that holds

everything together. The polysaccharide constituents in echinacea inhibit

hyaluronidase (Wagner and Proksch, 1981). Of interest is that the current

recommended antidote for snakebite is Crotalidae Polyvalent Antivenin, a kit

made by Wyeth at an average wholesale cost of $199. It has been recommened

that this kit be stocked by all hospital emergency departments. Our healthcare

system can save over a $1 million dollars if echinacea were stocked instead.



Echinacea became one of the most popular plant-based remedies used by

physicians in the early 1900s, which ranked closely with ipecac, digitalis,

ergot, and belladonna (Lloyd, 1912). By the way, the number two herb was

Hydrastis ..but that's another story. Later, at least 50,000 to 100,000 pounds

of echinacea root were shipped out of Kansas annually to supply to demands of

drug manufacturers (Hobbs, 1989), which appears to be why the herb was called

Kansas Snakeroot. Today, echinacea is the number one herb sold in natural food

stores, accounting for nearly 12% of the herbal market (HerbalGram, Fall

1997).



2) Black Snakeroot is more commonly known as black cohosh (Cimicifuga

racemosa).  Other names include Squawroot, Macrotys and bugbane (its flowers

have a strong odor that repels insects). American Indians boiled the root and

drank the brew for menstrual cramps and a variety of other conditions, which

gave it the name Squawroot. Indians also used a poltice made from the rhizome

for snakebite. Other uses included consumption, rheumatism, atony of the

reproductive tract, restoration of suppressed menses, and dysmenorrhea.

Currently, black cohosh is considered effective for the treatment of

premenstrual discomfort, dysmenorrhea, and nervous conditions associated with

menopause by the German Commission E.



3) Senega Snake Root (Polygala senega) comes to us from the Seneca nation of

Native Americans, who used it for a range of problems including snake bites.

It has  expectorant effects which may be utilized in the treatment of asthma.

Other uses have been cited.



4) Virginia Snakeroot (Aristolochia serpentaria) was included in the

pharmacopeia of the Massacheusetts Medical Society in 1808, the pharmacopeia

of New York Hospital in 1816, and the USP in 1820. The dried rhizomes and

roots continued to be official in the USP until 1942 and in the NF until 1955.





references used:

American Indian Medicine. Virgil Vogel, 1970

Echinacea Handbook. Christopher Hobbs, 1989

The Healing Power of Echinacea & Goldenseal. Paul Bergner, 1997

The Herbalist. David Hoffman, 1993



prepared by:

Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



(for a free 6 month subscription to my upcoming herb/nutrition newsletter,

send an

email request to Elfreem@aol.com)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tincture presses

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 11:32:11 -0700

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http://www.mathrespresses.com/





Good luck and happy squeezing!  (I thoroughly enjoy mine)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Tincture presses

From: John <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:02:26 -0600

--------

Someone on the list has a website with tincture presses. I have been there

once but forgotten the adress. Would you be so kind as to e-mail me and let

me know the  address.  Thanks

John  jfoster@ebicom.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hawthorn and Juniper trees

From: dean and jeri williams <coa-gen@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:27:15 +0000

--------

Can you tell me what variety of Hawthorn and also Juniper that provide the

medicinal berries? Jeri







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: AUTISM

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 11:08:14 -0600

--------

I'm new to this group and am looking forward to learning from you.  Have

a friend with an 8 year old son who is autistic.  She would like to help

with with herbs.  His major problems are speech and hyperactive.  Cannot

fall asleep.  Also has tremendous salt cravings.  Any suggestions would

would appreciated.



Thank you,



Rosie Lloyd







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: AUTISM

From: CooneySand <CooneySand@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 12:27:40 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-04 12:14:06 EST, you write:



<< Also has tremendous salt cravings.  >>



Dear Rosie:



I have read that celery is excellent for people who crave salt and need to cut

it from their diet.  Is there a store nearby that makes fresh celery juice?

It could be mixed with other juices if he does not like the taste.



As for getting to sleep...I often use an after bath splash of lavendar and

roses.  Perhaps she could make a "dream pillow" to slip in his pillowcase with

lavendar and roses...or, perhaps, mint.  The dream pillows I have seen are

approx 5 inches square.



Be well...

Light and love...

Sandy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: AUTISM

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:58:44 -0600

--------

In a reply message dated March 04, Sandy wrote:



celery juice for salt cravings and lavender and rose splash and dream pillow...



Sandy, THANK YOU so much for this information.  I have a juicer and will glady

make up some celery juice for the 8 year old. Sounds too easy, but have found that

the answers usually are, we just don't know where to look.



Have never made a dream pillow.  Have some lavender and rose dried here, would

assume taking a piece of material and stuffing same would suffice.  Will make up

one this weekend.



Again, thank you for your help.



Rosie Lloyd

natural@wt.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies-Growing herbs

From: HERBALS <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:07:53 EST

--------

Actually, Anita, with my rosemaries, I do not worry so much about the acid as
much, but I do with the lavenders and thymes....



Herein NC, if I did not use raised beds, then I would be in a world of hurt
because the deeper you go the redder the clay.  Makes great bricks, though.



For my lavenders and thymes, and a the majority of the "grey" herbs, I will
work crushed oyster shells into the planting hole, and I will also top dress
the plants with crushed oyster shells.



The oyster shells serve several purposes-they help with drainage, they sweeten
the soil, and as a top dressing, they also reflect light back up and
organically help with

fungus control (we have SO much humidity in the summer months).  It works very
similar to using sand.



BTW..I AM, apparently, Mistress of my domain, since my rosemaries are
flourishing, also (Besides, at this point, I do not have a Master, anyway)
LOL.



Namaste !



Have a great HERBAL day,



Tamara D. Leonard

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies-Growing herbs

From: Anita Stubbs <anisown@VZINET.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 13:44:24 -0600

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>For my lavenders and thymes, and a the majority of the "grey" herbs, I will

>work crushed oyster shells into the planting hole, and I will also top dress

>the plants with crushed oyster shells.



Thanks, Tamara.

I want to try lavender again this year - the plants I put out last year died

- I guess they  needed the soil "sweetened".   Will try the oyster shells.

Am almost as new to growing herbs as I am to this list.  But am enjoying both!

Anita







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies.s/b growing rosemary now

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:30:05 -0500

--------

first, I don't think that those of us who are growing rosemary, lavender, or

other sweet herbs should any longer write about it under the heading of

're: end of winter crazies'.  I can think of arguments that would support

that classification, but I'd just as soon CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINES, PLEASE



Second, you wrote-

>Rosemary is a tenderr perennial hardy to abouy 5 degrees, as is sweet bay.



5 degrees Fahrenheit?  I don't think so.  27 degrees is more like the lowest

termperature any rosemary or sweet bay I've grown will tolerate.  Tender

perennials by definition will not survive 5 degrees.  Even some hardy

perennials have a hard time at that temperature unless covered by snow or

mulch (which keeps the temperature higher, of course).



Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies.s/b growing rosemary now

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 01:28:33 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-04 16:49:48 EST, you write:



<<

 5 degrees Fahrenheit?  I don't think so.  27 degrees is more like the lowest

 termperature any rosemary or sweet bay I've grown will tolerate.  >>

I've been a professional grower for over 25 years and have significant

expeience in overrwintering both sweet by and rosemary. My comments spring

frorm that souce.

Tender perennials don't all croak at the same temp.  Some, like basil, are

damaged above 2 degrees, others will tolerte significantly lower temperatres.

Of course, growing locaton, ;like light, soil composition, wind, etc. also

come into play.

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies.s/b growing rosemary now

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 02:27:41 -0500

--------

Where are you?  You must be talking degrees Celsius, as 2 degrees Celsius

would approximate 36 degrees Fahrenheit, which would make sense for basil,

as it cannot tolerate freezing temperatures.

Joanie

University of New Hampshire

Extension Service Master Gardener



(I wrote)

> 5 degrees Fahrenheit?  I don't think so.  27 degrees is more like the

lowest

> termperature any rosemary or sweet bay I've grown will tolerate.  >>



(you wrote)

>I've been a professional grower for over 25 years and have significant

>expeience in overrwintering both sweet by and rosemary. My comments spring

>frorm that souce.

>Tender perennials don't all croak at the same temp.  Some, like basil, are

>damaged above 2 degrees, others will tolerte significantly lower

temperatres.

>Of course, growing locaton, ;like light, soil composition, wind, etc. also

>come into play.

>MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: end of winter crazies.s/b growing rosemary now

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:51:38 EST

--------

Joanie

   I live and grow in southcental lower Michigan.  This is my experience with

rosemary and Laurus nobilis in degrees Fahrenhet.  We begin to see damage to

basl t about 45 degrees Fahrenheit.  Hope this clariifies thiings for you.

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Internet Message

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 16:54:09 -0500

--------

Winter crazies...yeah that's me...gee...I was busy and just deleting

those notes...and you guys were talking about my fave plants...boohoo.

..



Please change the heading...



PS a well established Rosemary with some winter support will do much

better than a BAY...depends on many factors for your particular area

of course...but Bays generally will need to be moved indoors in temps

even below 30...the stress will cause other problems for them and

make them more susceptible to disease and insects.



Thanx

Linda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: St. John's Wort

From: Mombutter <Mombutter@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 17:11:33 EST

--------

Can a nursing mother take St. John's Wort?  Will it affect the breastmilk or

baby?

Thanks.

Alma aka Mombutter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Upcoming Herb Festivals

From: HerbalIncl <HerbalIncl@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 00:43:03 EST

--------

Hi all --



Thought I'd let you all know of some upcoming Herb Festivals in the Maryland

area that we know of:



Saturday, April 25 -- Herb, Bread & Tea Festival (wonderful!) in Laurel,

Maryland.



Saturday, May 23 -- Baltimore Herb Festival located at Gwynns Falls/Leakin

Park off Security Blvd of 695.



While we won't be at the Herb, Bread, and Tea Festival this year (last year

was great), because we have a concert to sing in that night (boy, we're busy

folks), we will be (for the third year) at the Balto Herb Festival.  It's a

great show ... those of you in the area or near enough to travel should try

it.  And if you do, come by our booth and say HI!



Anyone know of any other upcoming Maryland herb festivals?  I know Darlington

is coming up soon, but don't know when....



Pat Stang

Herbal Inclinations, Inc.

http://members.aol.com/herbalincl

Completely redesigned site!  Come visit!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: "A Modern Herbal" by Maud Grieve

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:37:44 -0500

--------

I understand that Mrs. Grieve's "A Modern Herbal" in two volumes is

available in paperback but is out of print in the hardback edition.



Since I want to use it for a permanent reference work, it would be best to

get it in hardback, even used copies in good condition.



I'd appreciate any suggestions about where I might find and buy it.



Thanks, Anita





--



paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "A Modern Herbal" by Maud Grieve

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:32:52 -0500

--------

Anita wrote



>I understand that Mrs. Grieve's "A Modern Herbal" in two volumes is

>available in paperback but is out of print in the hardback edition.

>Since I want to use it for a permanent reference work, it would be best to

>get it in hardback, even used copies in good condition.





I reply-

Anita, the paperback is a good quality Dover set.  I had mine for 25 years,

heavily used and it held up fine (it even survived my fire, but got too wet

and smelly to use).

 I have never seen the hardcover so it is not common-but I DID see it listed

on a mail-order book closeout catalog I received about a month ago.  I was

thinking about finding that catalog, anyhow, so I'll get back to you when I

do (tonight?).



Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "A Modern Herbal" by Maud Grieve

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:09:14 -0700

--------

FYI - for those that don't own this one, the entire book+ can be found

on-line at:



http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "A Modern Herbal" by Maud Grieve

From: Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 16:00:25 -0800

--------

Thomas LaMere wrote:

>

> FYI - for those that don't own this one, the entire book+ can be found

> on-line at:

>

> http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/mgmh.html

It is also available in a single volume through Barnes and Noble, as a

hardbound book.

        Mike Acord







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Index for faq's

From: Bob <tworiver@MTNHOME.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:14:27 -0600

--------

Is there an index for the medicinal FAQ?  I am looking for information on Red

Clover.

     Regards



Bob Root, tworiver@mtnhome.com

HCR 63, Box 14B

Yellville, Ar. 72687

ICQ 7053385







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Index for faq's

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 09:27:28 GMT

--------

On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:14:27 -0600, Bob <tworiver@MTNHOME.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Is there an index for the medicinal FAQ?  I am looking for information on Red

>Clover.



The medicinal herbfaq can be found here:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediherb.html

but I don't remember if I put anything on red clover in there. Anyway, it's a

pretty plant, looks like a rose if you cut just a flowering stem, and has lots

of minerals. You pick the flower or the flowering stem including leaves, dry in

moderate warmth (too hot and you destroy the constituents), and put into a jar

after you've dried it for three times as long as you thought it would need, or

it'll get either moldy or stale; and use as a tea.



Cheers

Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Index for faq's

From: Irena Franchi <d001720c@DC.SEFLIN.ORG>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 15:20:22 -0500

--------

I remember to have read that



Red Clover was used by native Americans, especially to solve female

problems.  This herb contains hormone-like substances.





Irena Franchi

d001720c@dc.seflin.org





On Thu, 5 Mar 1998, Henriette Kress wrote:



> On Thu, 5 Mar 1998 10:14:27 -0600, Bob <tworiver@MTNHOME.COM> wrote to

> HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:

>

> >Is there an index for the medicinal FAQ?  I am looking for information on Red

> >Clover.

>

> The medicinal herbfaq can be found here:

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediherb.html

> but I don't remember if I put anything on red clover in there. Anyway, it's a

> pretty plant, looks like a rose if you cut just a flowering stem, and has lots

> of minerals. You pick the flower or the flowering stem including leaves, dry in

> moderate warmth (too hot and you destroy the constituents), and put into a jar

> after you've dried it for three times as long as you thought it would need, or

> it'll get either moldy or stale; and use as a tea.

>

> Cheers

> Henriette

>

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Index for faq's/Red Clover

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 13:40:43 -0700

--------

Here's what "A Modern Herbal" has to say about it:



"---Description---A perennial, but of short duration, generally abundant on

 meadow land of a light sandy

nature, where it produces abundant blossom, forming an excellent mowing

crop. Not of great value as a bee

plant - the bees not working it for so long as they will the white variety.





Several stems 1 to 2 feet high, arising from the one root, slightly hairy;

leaves ternate, leaflets ovate, entire,

nearly smooth, ending in long point often lighter coloured in centre,

flowers red to purple, fragrant, in dense

terminal ovoid or globular heads.



---Medicinal Action and Uses---The fluid extract of Trifolium is used as an

 alterative and antispasmodic.

An infusion made by 1 OZ. to 1 pint of boiling water may with advantage be

used in cases of bronchial and

whooping-cough. Fomentations and poultices of the herb have been used as

localapplications to cancerous

growths. "



It finds itself in many womens cometics.  Those of us that grew up as farm

kids loved to suck the sweet nectar in spring.

We rarely had any problems with acne.  I once saw an article that pointed

directly to Red Clover being the primary cause

of that.  My very first herbal instructor said that if you wanted skin as

smooth as a baby's butt to use Red Clover.

This caused some embarrassment and confusion among the male students.

OBTW - if sucking the nectar, use less than 1/2 dozen.  Reason: that stuff

can give you quite a buzz.

Maybe that's why the bees prefer the white variety?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Index for faq's/Red Clover

From: CooneySand <CooneySand@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:15:27 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-05 15:43:23 EST, you write:



<< It finds itself in many womens cometics.  Those of us that grew up as farm

 kids loved to suck the sweet nectar in spring.

 We rarely had any problems with acne.  I once saw an article that pointed

 directly to Red Clover being the primary cause

 of that.  My very first herbal instructor said that if you wanted skin as

 smooth as a baby's butt to use Red Clover.

 This caused some embarrassment and confusion among the male students.

 OBTW - if sucking the nectar, use less than 1/2 dozen.  Reason: that stuff

 can give you quite a buzz.

 Maybe that's why the bees prefer the white variety?

  >>



Can the flower heads be used in salads?  Is the rest of the plant edible?



Thanks!

Sandy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Index for faq's/Red Clover

From: Scott and/or Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:53:15 +0000

--------

Actually, it is a great "bee plant" but... the common honeybee (Apis

mellifera) does not have a tongue sufficiently long to reach the nectar (on

a regular basis) ... but because the nectar is so tempting they will often

spend quite a bit of time trying.  On the other hand, many of the various

bumblebee species have quite long tongues and spend a great deal of time

(with excellent result) on red clovers.



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net





At 01:40 PM 3/5/98 -0700, Thomas LaMere wrote:

>Here's what "A Modern Herbal" has to say about it:

>

>"<snip> where it produces abundant blossom, forming an excellent mowing

>crop. Not of great value as a bee

>plant - the bees not working it for so long as they will the white variety.

>

>

><snip>My very first herbal instructor said that if you wanted skin as

>smooth as a baby's butt to use Red Clover.

>This caused some embarrassment and confusion among the male students.

>OBTW - if sucking the nectar, use less than 1/2 dozen.  Reason: that stuff

>can give you quite a buzz.

>Maybe that's why the bees prefer the white variety?



<sig>

Please feel free to visit us at our "Homes on the Web"....



        Scott:  http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/7136/

        Aliceann:  http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5408/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Index for faq's/Red Clover

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:02:09 -0700

--------

>Can the flower heads be used in salads?  Is the rest of the plant edible?

Duh - I donno - perhaps some of the chef(ettes?) could answer that?  I've

used them to decorate meals, but not integrated into

salads (why run the risk of messing up the flavor of that yummy nectar?).







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Index for faq's/Red Clover

From: Rowaan <rowaan@EARTHLINK.NET>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:43:47 GMT

--------

On Fri, 6 Mar 1998 08:02:09 -0700, I decided to add this:



>>Can the flower heads be used in salads?  Is the rest of the plant edible?

>Duh - I donno - perhaps some of the chef(ettes?) could answer that?  I've

>used them to decorate meals, but not integrated into

>salads (why run the risk of messing up the flavor of that yummy nectar?).





From _The Complete Medicinal Herbal_ by Penelope Ody



Trifolium pratense - Red Clover



Flowers - Mainly used as a cleansing herb for skin complaints, the flowers

are also useful for coughs and have been widely used for bronchitis and

whooping cough.  In the 1930's they became popular as an anticancer remedy

and may still be prescribed to breast, ovarian and lymphatic cancer suffers.

Harvest during flowering. 



Fresh Flowers - crush and apply to insect bites and stings.

Tincture - take internally for eczema and psoriasis

Compress Use for arthritic pains and gout.

Ointment: For lymphatic swellings cover fresh flowers with water and simmer

in a slow cooker for 48 hours.  Strain, evaporate the residue to

semi-dryness and combine with an equal amount of ointment base.

Eyewash: Use 5-10 drops tincture in 20ml water (a full eyecup or a well

strained infusion for conjunctivitis.

Syrup: Take a syrup made from the infusion for stubborn, dry coughs



Whew.



Warm regards,



Michelle

Let your heart guide you.  It whispers, so listen closely.



mailto:Rowaan@earthlink.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Adult acne, another idea ??

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 20:11:33 -0600

--------

Did anyone concider the fact that it isn't acne??   Rosacea mimics acne and

often flares in response to the female cycle.  It is more common in women

and first usually but not always appears years 30 to 40.  It starts mild

and gets worse with age. Much materials on the net.  Just search under

"Rosacea.

KB



--------

Attachment

WINMAIL.DAT



--------





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Thrush

From: "Leon L Wood, III" <lwood@INFINET.COM>

Date: Thu, 5 Mar 1998 23:27:09 -0800

--------

Hi All:

   A friend recently noticed a painful ulceration on his tongue.  We all

concur that it's thrush, yet we all differ in our recommendations.  I

say eat yogurt and take SJW. Others, recommend lavages of sage tinctures

diluted in water.  None of us know where this came from and all are

curious and somewhat frightened by implications of "opportunistic" type

presentations of flora and fauna.  Any and all helpful tips and

suggestions shall be welcomed.



Thanks,



Leon L. Wood, III







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 04:34:37 EST

--------

I have noticed in the past that a tincture of Myrrh can be helpful in dealing

with any mouth sores when applied directly to the wound. I have not had the

problem with thrush.

However, I do know that it can be helful in numbing any pain and in helping to

heal.

I hope this helps.



             Laura Pribil







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 07:56:15 -0700

--------

>I have noticed in the past that a tincture of Myrrh can be helpful in

dealing



My work with PWA's has revealed that many (most?) of them have thrush, of

one variety or another.  The regimen that works well for them is:



- Gargling with Tincture of Myrrh

- Brushing teeth with Tom's Cabin toothpaste containing Propolis & Myrrh

- Large quantities of acidophillis

- Pau D'Arco



Many/most of them are on very limited budgets, in which case we simply go

for the Pau D'Arco.

Very effective.



If I can get them to take it (and, they can afford it) - asafoetida also

very helpful.  I try to get them to cook with it - recipes such as Lentils,

Cumin, Turmeric & Asafoetida seem to generate a desire to eat and help the

digestion - they are typically lacking in both.  The latter helps with the

thrush.  The Cumin & Turmeric bring other things to the PWA party.

Someone once said "use food as your medicine" - he was right (wink).







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Robert T Mersdorf <rmersdorf@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:22:52 -0500

--------

what does PWA stand for?



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 11:11:32 -0900

--------

At 11:27 PM 3/5/98 -0800, you wrote:

>Hi All:

>   A friend recently noticed a painful ulceration on his tongue.  We all

>concur that it's thrush, yet we all differ in our recommendations.  I

>say eat yogurt and take SJW. Others, recommend lavages of sage tinctures

>diluted in water.  None of us know where this came from and all are

>curious and somewhat frightened by implications of "opportunistic" type

>presentations of flora and fauna.  Any and all helpful tips and

>suggestions shall be welcomed.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Leon L. Wood, III

>

>

Two suggestions: Tincture of Gentian and Coptis root (Goldthread). Both of

these are used successfully for thrush.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: "charlenej.hmc" <charlenej.hmc@INTERNETMCI.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 15:13:22 -0500

--------

When my daughter had thrush - the docs gave us all this antibiotics stuff

that did not work.  I painted her mouth with Gentian of Violet and it

cleared up very quickly.  I don't know if this is a legit treatment (I

think it came from my mom and hers before etc...).  But it did work.



I am new here - so I hope I am doing this right...



Charlene







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:35:05 -0900

--------

At 03:13 PM 3/6/98 -0500, you wrote:

>When my daughter had thrush - the docs gave us all this antibiotics stuff

>that did not work.  I painted her mouth with Gentian of Violet and it

>cleared up very quickly.  I don't know if this is a legit treatment (I

>think it came from my mom and hers before etc...).  But it did work.

>

>I am new here - so I hope I am doing this right...

>

>Charlene

>

>

Antibiotics for a yeast infection????  That was a really uninformed doctor.

Gentian violet should do the trick nicely.  It has been used for a looooong

long time.  My grandmother said she'd used it successfully a time or two.

Gentian is a bitter herb.  Following the topical application with bitters

for the entire digestive tract would be a real good idea.  Here's a good

application for the Swedish Bitters.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:53:37 -0600

--------

Anita, hi, forgive a silly question, but could you advise where one can

purchase Gentian of Violet and exactly how to use it.



Thanks,



Rosie Lloyd



Anita Hales wrote:



> At 03:13 PM 3/6/98 -0500, you wrote:

> >When my daughter had thrush - the docs gave us all this antibiotics stuff

> >that did not work.  I painted her mouth with Gentian of Violet and it

> >cleared up very quickly.  I don't know if this is a legit treatment (I

> >think it came from my mom and hers before etc...).  But it did work.

> >

> >







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:56:53 -0900

--------

At 09:53 AM 3/11/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Anita, hi, forgive a silly question, but could you advise where one can

>purchase Gentian of Violet and exactly how to use it.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Rosie Lloyd

>

>Anita Hales wrote:

>

>> At 03:13 PM 3/6/98 -0500, you wrote:

>> >When my daughter had thrush - the docs gave us all this antibiotics stuff

>> >that did not work.  I painted her mouth with Gentian of Violet and it

>> >cleared up very quickly.

Gentian violet can be purchased at most any pharmacy.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Bekula <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 19:06:38 EST

--------

What is a PWA?

Thanks,

Jessyka







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Tamor Ulmus <crclark@SWBELL.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:41:11 -0800

--------

Hi,

A "person with aids".

thx,

C







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 12:30:40 -0800

--------

leon, wow, if an adult male has thrush, his immune system is *really*

compromised.  has he been tested for aids and other immune disorders like

ms?



something sounds really wrong...:/



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Ankh Sis <AnkhSis@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:00:31 EST

--------

I am a licensed nurse and often we use Gentian Violet to treat thrush.

Although some don't see the beauty in the lovely shade of violet, applied a

few times a day, it does work.  I've had better results with that than

pharmaceuticals such as mycostatin or nystatin rinses.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:49:57 -0700

--------

>Anita, hi, forgive a silly question, but could you advise where one can

>purchase Gentian of Violet and exactly how to use it.



Don't mean to be pushy about this one, but don't overlook Pau D'Arco when

treating any form of yeast infection in women.  I have yet to encounter a

woman that didn't respond well in 2 to 3 days using this one.  This also

applies to men that are 'yinny' by nature (most men are Yang-types, not

usually prone to Yin diseases).  Pau D'Arco is very common and easy to

find.

My wife needs to take large doses of Amoxicillan (sp?) before she gets her

teeth cleaned.  When she gets home she's learned to take a large dose of

Pau D'Arco to ward off the yeast infection that will surely be caused by

the antibiotic.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:29:38 -0600

--------

Jody, Anita and Thomas:  thank you all for your response to my question.



Thomas, thanks for the info on Pau D'Arco.  Never used it.  Needs to be in my

herbal pantry.  What do you consider a large dose of Pau D'Arco?   Treating

yeast infections positive response in 2-3 days.  Internal use?  If so what

form and dosage?  Douche?



Thanks for your help,



Rosie Lloyd



Thomas LaMere wrote:



> Don't mean to be pushy about this one, but don't overlook Pau D'Arco when

> treating any form of yeast infection in women.  I have yet to encounter a

> woman that didn't respond well in 2 to 3 days using this one.  This also

> applies to men that are 'yinny' by nature (most men are Yang-types, not

> usually prone to Yin diseases).  Pau D'Arco is very common and easy to

> find.

> My wife needs to take large doses of Amoxicillan (sp?) before she gets her

> teeth cleaned.  When she gets home she's learned to take a large dose of

> Pau D'Arco to ward off the yeast infection that will surely be caused by

> the antibiotic.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:59:39 -0700

--------

>Is gentian violet derived from gentian? My old pharmacology manual says it



Methylrosaniline chloride ==> Gentian violet B



There have been studies that say it is carcinogenic.  I believe they

arrived at that after drowning

a whole bunch of mice in it and they got cancer (scientists will be

scientists).  So long as you

don't take daily baths in it you should be just fine.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Millie <millie@WILDROOTS.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:41:46 -0500

--------

>Gentian violet should do the trick nicely.  It has been used for a

>looooong

>long time.  My grandmother said she'd used it successfully a time >or two.

Gentian is a bitter herb.



Is gentian violet derived from gentian? My old pharmacology manual says it

is a mixture of  pentamethylparaosaniline and hexamethylparaosaniline but it

says nothing about where those chemicals are derived from. I've used gentian

violet many times and have always wanted to know how it is made.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Millie

millie@wildroots.com

Stony Mountain Botanicals        http://www.wildroots.com

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:15:27 -0700

--------

>Thomas, thanks for the info on Pau D'Arco.  Never used it.  Needs to be in

my

>herbal pantry.  What do you consider a large dose of Pau D'Arco?

Treating

>yeast infections positive response in 2-3 days.  Internal use?  If so what

>form and dosage?  Douche?



Well, 5 capsules should be the max, 3X's/Day.  In most cases, though, I

tell the women to take 2 (650mg) 3X's/day and it does the trick.  Or, 1/2

tablespoon decocted in cup of water, 3X's/day, doesn't taste tooooo bad.

I've only had experience with internal usage.  Don't know about douche -

perhaps someone else could share knowledge on that?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:00:05 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-13 10:21:36 EST, you write:



<< >Thomas, thanks for the info on Pau D'Arco >>

Thomas, what about the issue of adultration of Pau D'arco?  Do you know of

specifics suppliers that provide the real thing?  By the way, I prefer to get

bulk, shredded Pau D'Arco and simmer then steep it for several hours before

imbibing.

Thanks

mjh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:36:38 -0700

--------

>Thomas



For all of you calling me "Thomas", please stop - I'm Tom (can't help it

that my mailer uses Thomas).  Calling me Thomas makes me want to reach for

a tie before answering - I hate ties!



>what about the issue of adultration of Pau D'arco?



Ah, yes - the war rages on.  This isn't the only herb that's adulterated.

When I want the REAL stuff I make sure I get them from a wholesaler or herb

store that I know very well.

I do avoid getting these kinds of herbs from a health food store (nothing

against health food stores but herbs are usually not their forte).  Always

ask to make sure it's the real stuff.

If there's even the slightest hesitancy, run - don't walk, away.



>bulk, shredded Pau D'Arco and simmer then steep it for several hours

before imbibing.



This is also my preference, the taste is really rather pleasant but my

tastebuds have become jaded after taking on so many Chinese herbs.  Many of

my clients refuse to 'cook' herbs - citing either lack of time or taste as

the reason.  I try to warn them that they'll need a larger dose to

compensate for much of it being lost in the digestive system.  They say

"O.K. - sell me more capsules", sigh.  Oh, well - I tried.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: What ever happened to...

From: Dawn Finney <finney@VH.ORG>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 09:18:24 -0600

--------

Hiya folks,



I used to be on the Herb list awhile ago. At that time there was a character on

the list named Paul Ianone.  Although many were happy with the quality of his

information, Paul was known on the list for his spare-none, curt,

suffer-no-fools tone. Many off-topic flamey upsets occurred as a result.



Whatever happened to him?  At the time, if I remember correctly, some folks on

the list split off to start their own list as a "Paul-free" zone.  Is he still

around in cyber-space somewhere?  Any Paul sitings lately?



I don't mean to take things too off-topic so if you have any info at all and

wouldn't mind replying privately to me, I'd really appreciate it.



Thank you,



Dawn Finney



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dawn M. L. Finney

Electric Differential Lab

The Virtual Hospital Project  http://www.vh.org

The University of Iowa

Iowa City, Iowa, USA



dawn-finney@uiowa.edu

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: asafoetida

From: CooneySand <CooneySand@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:38:27 EST

--------

Friends...



Can anyone tell me what this is?  I saw it mentioned in a previous note and

saw one application for it.



According to my Mom (86), my Grandma had this tied, in a bag, around her neck

when she was younger.  I know TB was rampant back then...????  Anybody up on

herb lore?



Thanks!

Light and love...

Sandy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:44:32 -0500

--------

asafoetida really stinks.

 My memory remembers that it smelled like rotting garlic.  People have hung

it around the neck to ward off disease and bad spirits in the same manner as

garlic has been used.  The odor is so strong that you'd tend to keep people,

sick or healthy, at a safe distance.



It comes as a resin, as I remember, so would keep its smell for a long time.

The belief may have been that breathing in the 'fumes' would inoculate your

lungs and whole system (you can even smell it in the skin when you breathe

it in) from any other noxious disease carrying 'germ' (catch-all phrase for

disease carrying organisms).



I cannot say that it was not effective.  Aromatherapy in reverse.



go to MRS. Grieve's book for more.

 http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/a/asafe070.html



Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com

(sending this at 9:41 EST Monday 3/9-for those, like me, who've had no

herbmail since Friday, and 16 msgs this morning))



Sandy wrote-

>According to my Mom (86), my Grandma had this tied, in a bag, around her

neck

>when she was younger.  I know TB was rampant back then...????  Anybody up

on

>herb lore?



>>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:01:27 -0700

--------

>Can anyone tell me what this is?  I saw it mentioned in a previous note

and

>saw one application for it.

>According to my Mom (86), my Grandma had this tied, in a bag, around her

neck

>when she was younger.  I know TB was rampant back then...????  Anybody up

on

>herb lore?



It's not called "devil's dung" for nothing - grin.  Probably that's why the

amulet was so effective against TB (no self-respecting TB germ would go

near it).  Commonly used by people that have problems with garlic and

onions.  Actually, when cooked, it's very tasty - much used in Middle

Eastern dishes.



For an outstanding article on it, go to Dr. Michael Tierra's website

(www.planetary.com),

click on the Articles, click on herbology and you'll see it there.  Since

it contains many Ayurvedic terms (e.g. - Pitta, Vata, Kapha) if you have

any questions on 'lingo', please ask - you'll find many in this conference

that can translate for you.



I've just recently started fiddling with it, well pleased with the results.

Stopped a two-year post-nasal drip (post-stroke problem) dead in its

tracks.  Reasonable since I was having quite a few digestion problems -

that pleases me since that relieves stress off the heart.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 09:27:10 -0700

--------

>The odor is so strong that you'd tend to keep people, sick or healthy, at

a safe distance.

A natural contraceptive - good for teenage daughters (keeps unwanted

boyfriends from getting too close, hehe).







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:38:27 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 11:19:05 EST, you write:



<< It comes as a resin,  >>

Asafoetida as it grows in my garrden in southcentrl lower Michigan is a hardy

perennial herb. It's root s used in several cultures as a food seasoning as is

garlic as well as the dried (for preservtion purposes) root used for healing

physical and metaphysical ills. Yes, it's aroma takes some getting used to as

in garlic and also valerian, but would you call a rrose by any other name?

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:46:44 -0500

--------

My folk-herbalist consultant Inez tells me that her mother used to put a

couple ounces of asafoetida paste in a pint of corn whiskey to use as a

tincture for various fevers.  She developed quite a taste for the stuff.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:10:11 -0700

--------

>physical and metaphysical ills. Yes, it's aroma takes some getting used to

as

>in garlic and also valerian, but would you call a rrose by any other name?

Oh, now THERE'S a thought.  The next time I find someone that's stressed

out, has high cholesterol and bad digestion I'll give'em a tincture of:

valerian, garlic & asafoetida.



Interesting experiment - I wonder if they'll come back for more?



(do three "devil's food" make angel food?)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:48:59 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 16:48:02 EST, you write:



<< he next time I find someone that's stressed

 out, has high cholesterol and bad digestion I'll give'em a tincture of:

 valerian, garlic & asafoetida. >>

Better add lots of parsley, don't you think?

foxhillers







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida

From: CooneySand <CooneySand@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:29:45 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 12:50:20 EST, you write:



<< It's not called "devil's dung" for nothing - grin.  Probably that's why the

 amulet was so effective against TB (no self-respecting TB germ would go

 near it).  Commonly used by people that have problems with garlic and

 onions.  Actually, when cooked, it's very tasty - much used in Middle

 Eastern dishes.



 For an outstanding article on it, go to Dr. Michael Tierra's website

 (www.planetary.com),

 click on the Articles, click on herbology and you'll see it there.  Since

 it contains many Ayurvedic terms (e.g. - Pitta, Vata, Kapha) if you have

 any questions on 'lingo', please ask - you'll find many in this conference

 that can translate for you.



 I've just recently started fiddling with it, well pleased with the results.

 Stopped a two-year post-nasal drip (post-stroke problem) dead in its

 tracks.  Reasonable since I was having quite a few digestion problems -

 that pleases me since that relieves stress off the heart.

  >>



This is very interesting!  I saw asafoetida in the healthfood store near the

oriental foods...  Devil's Dung????  (Thanks for sharing....)  <gulp..smile>

hehehehehe



My Mom is also bothered by a post nasal drip....had a stroke almost two years

ago but never connected the two....hmmmm.



I appreciate your lead....I'm sure you will hear from me about terminology!

Peace and light...

Sandy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:35:29 -0700

--------

<< he next time I find someone that's stressed

<< out, has high cholesterol and bad digestion I'll give'em a tincture of:

<< valerian, garlic & asafoetida. >>

>Better add lots of parsley, don't you think?

Good heavens, no!  Well, not unless there was a kidney problem, of course.

The parsley might just make it palatable and then they'd be back, fer sure!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:45:38 -0700

--------

> next time I find someone that's stressed

>  << out, has high cholesterol and bad digestion I'll give'em a tincture

of:

>  << valerian, garlic & asafoetida. >>

>  >Better add lots of parsley, don't you think?

>

>>Tom responded >>Good heavens, no!

>I ask - Why not???



I was just joking (forgot to append a smiley face).  Interesting formula,

though.

The parsley would help make the taker more palatable to those around,

though.

I suppose, in general, the formula would be good for males that rival cows

in methane production. Save the ozone!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: tooth abcess

From: Tim Lees <tk84321@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 10:17:37 -0700

--------

looking for opinions on goldenseal and toothaches and or abcesses-small

ones. Its on a tooth i want to keep and can chew with it . Should i get

root canal? extracted? leave it alone? Looking for pro and con on all

opinions especially the last one.



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tooth abcess

From: "charlenej.hmc" <charlenej.hmc@INTERNETMCI.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:50:05 -0500

--------

A holistic physican I saw recently discusses the really big dangers of root

canals - worse then amalgam fillings.  With root canals it is nearly

impossible to eliminate all the infection before they pack the canal.  So,

a low grade infection can sit there for a long long time and create other

health problems.  I have a couple root canals and he suggested removing the

teeth and getting a bridge.  You may want to see a holistic dentist - there

are more and more of them.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tooth abcess

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 21:14:10 -0500

--------

Peny wrote-



>I'd like to request that people answer Tim's question here on the list

>(rather than privately) because I really need this info, too. Thanks!!



Oh- sorry (twice today)-

I have had a bit of private correspondence with Tim and with Bill about some

details of the tooth abscess and rebuilding posts that have appeared on the

lists.  I don't know if it would be that informative or appropriate to

forward these posts to the list.  If Tim or Bill want to do that, it is okay

with me.  If anybody else wants to contact me off-list, I can send them to

the requester, though.  Not that interesting, though, just banter on

details..  I will post any more I may write to the list though.  Or you can

post more questions that I, or others, may have answers or ideas about.



The name of the author of the tooth self-care book is 'SOARING BEAR'.  The

name of the book has not bubbled to consciousness, yet.

Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Tea Tree problem?

From: "M.Lazar" <jedihands@WWISP.COM>

Date: Fri, 6 Mar 1998 23:50:25 -0500

--------

Greetings,



I have a request from my mother about an illness she has had for 4 weeks.

She had been putting a light drop of Tea Tree Oil on her tooth brush before

she displayed these symptoms.  I have mixed it with my toothpaste and had

no problems, but then I am not 72 years old either.  Is this the flu or a

reaction?

In the last 4 weeks has: been in bed 8 days, severe coughing (non

productive), lungs congested (non productive), lost her voice x 5 days,

swollen eyelids, normal temp is 97 and has an average of at least 5 degrees

above her normal and lost 15 pounds (she didn't tell me this until this

evening).  She is eating well (now), making herself eat and I know she is.

She saw an ENT 9 days ago and treated with Z PAC antibiotics.



I have my theories, but she would like to hear from others.  She has an

appointment Tuesday with her internist that she has had for a while for

other problems.  I guess she wants to know if anyone thinks she is ill

because of the Tea Tree Oil.



Will appreciate any and all input,

TIA

Aleksandra

jedihands@wwisp.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tea Tree problem?

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:40:32 EST

--------

I am assuming you are talking about the essential oil??? According to The

Green Pharmacy as well as other herbal texts I have read, Tea Tree Oil, is not

for internal use.

Small amounts in the effect of a few teaspoons can be fatal. Is it possible

that your mother is slowly poisoning her system, or that because she is older

than you it is have a larger effect on her weaker immune system. Either way I

would not continue to take Tea Tree Oil internally it is a very potent

antiseptic especially when it is not diluted. I have heard it recommended for

fungal infections in the vagina, but then only in a very diluted form.

I hope this helps. You can Email me with any questions.



       Laura Pribil

     Herbldy11@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tea Tree problem?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:40:37 -0900

--------

At 11:50 PM 3/6/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Greetings,

>

>I have a request from my mother about an illness she has had for 4 weeks.

>She had been putting a light drop of Tea Tree Oil on her tooth brush before

>she displayed these symptoms.  I have mixed it with my toothpaste and had

>no problems, but then I am not 72 years old either.

The symptoms you describe are most assuredly influenza that is currently

going around.  Watch for secondary infections or problems.  It has killed

some people, mostly elderly and children.

A drop of Tea tree oil on the toothbrush probably won't hurt anyone and may

in fact help prevent some of the secondary infections from appearing while

she is ill.

Get her some Boneset, Yarrow and Peppermint, add some Elder flower for the

chest congestion, a little fennel or licorice root or perhaps some Mullein

for demulcent.  Have her drink LOTS of it and I do mean LOTS and LOTS.  It

will ease some of the aching and help dispel pockets of heat in the lungs

and make the illness go quicker.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help w/Square ONE

From: Carrie9557 <Carrie9557@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 06:34:26 EST

--------

Hello everyone,

I have been sitting in the background for awhile, just taking in all the

knowledge you all have to share.  It's wonderful!!  But, I'm ssooooo new to

all of this that I'm also getting myself confused......I'm trying to take in

too much I guess.



I'm 41 and for the first time in my life I'm taking interest in my health.

Sad but very true.  I need a good starting point and some direction......from

pros like yourselves.  Let me give you alittle background and perhaps that

will help you understand that I am a true specemin of poor corporate health

syndrome.



I've been in the fast paced world of Marketing and Management for over 20

years.  You know the one with longggggg hours......see your family on

occassion (and you live in the same house), drink 3 pots of coffee a day,

sleep with your phone and brief case, smoke 2 packs of cigs a day, eat high

fat lunches with clients and share cocktails for dessert.  I have had asthma

since age 2.....YES, and I smoke.  (Wantta hear the really sad/stupid part of

it?  I use an inhaler daily to boot).  I've suffered from degenerative disc

disease for 19 years.  Finally everything crumbled and I had a 3 level fusion

with enough metal in me to make me a roving antenna for the household TV's.

Overall the surgery (my 1st ever) was a success except that I do experience

discomfort everyday....all day.  Especially when sitting.  (to be

expected......my fusion is in my upper tail bone area)  I do NOT take pain

pills anymore ( well, maybe 3 total in a monthes time).  They tend to take

away my brain.  I'd rather deal with the pain than lose my brain!!!!   I've

put on 55 lbs. from not being able to be active like I use to.  I "may" have

1-2 glasses of wine per "month".



SO, now that you've heard the horror of all of this....let me tell you what I

"have" accomplished so far and perhaps, you can offer suggestions for what to

do next...

I am down to 1 pack a day ( the patch nor the gum worked).  I'm starting back

to work p/t this week for the 1st time in 2 years.  I've been taking SJW and

Magnesium Caltrate since November.  I am walking 1 mile a day and working up

to 2 miles each day.  I do not drink coffee at all anymore, but I love my tea.

Mostly Chamomile or Green/Black Tea.



What would be a good book to "start" with?  Website?  Herbs to flush out my

system?  Advise on quitting smoking?



Sorry for this being so long.  I'm a mess.....I told you.  Can you offer any

tips?

Carrie in Baltimore

CArrie9557@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help w/Square ONE

From: Mumbun <Mumbun@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:27:08 EST

--------

In a message dated 9/3/98 11:40:17 am, you wrote:



<<Advise on quitting smoking?>>



Carrie:



It's great that you are looking after your well-being now.  It's never too

late to start.  I'd have to admit I didn't really start until I was in my mid

20's (I'm 36 now).  I started with quitting smoking.  I smoked 2 packs a day

for 5 years.  The only way I could handle it was cold turkey.  Yes, it was

terribly difficult, but I did it.  What made it easy was I had someone to quit

with (my hubby).  Do you have someone to quit with?



Have you tried acupuncture or Shiatsu (Japanese bodywork based on traditional

oriental medicine and acupressure)?  I would recommend this for quitting

smoking and addressing any other health needs you may have.



Best of luck to you,



Amy







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help w/Square ONE

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:18:31 -0500

--------

Carrie, one of my very best friends couldn't give up smoking until the day

he was diagnosed with lung cancer.  He never smoked again.  Same for my

mom; lung cancer diagnosis, and that was the end of her smoking.  She made

it, he didn't.  My sister:  lifetime smoker has only one health problem:

emphysema.  Now she quit smoking; too late.  My dad checked out after a

stroke preceded by longterm peripheral arteriosclerosis.  Why?  You guess

it.  It seems that so many of the best-loved people in my life have been

eaten alive by smoking.  Nothing I said changed their minds about it,

either.  But I see you are not that way at all.-- you choose to live and

quit smoking.  Please do it.

- Very best wishes, Anita





--



paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help w/Square ONE

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 08:45:06 -0700

--------

>I'm 41 and for the first time in my life I'm taking interest in my health.

>Sad but very true.  I need a good starting point and some

direction......from

>pros like yourselves.  Let me give you alittle background and perhaps that

>will help you understand that I am a true specemin of poor corporate

health

>syndrome.

Carrie: Congratulations on taking the very first step!



First of all - you're not alone, there be 1,000's like you.  I truly

support the 'fast food' industry & corporate life - insures me of an

unending supply of clients - grin.  Those of us that have been around herbs

for quite a while are probably mentally listing 100's of herbs that would

help you.  Of the 2,000, or so, herbs that we use medicinally - I have

about 400 in my 'farmacy'.  Mulling through them, I can't think of a single

one that wouldn't be of benefit to you.  What you're asking is almost

impossible to carry on via conferencing, I don't think there's enough space

in cyberspace to accomplish that.



Here's what I suggest - go to your Yellow Pages, find herb stores that are

local to you and pay them a visit.  Ask for suggestions on local herbalists

(Western or Traditional Chinese Medicine) and set up an appointment.

Expect to spend about 1 1/2 hours on your first visit.

S/he will dig around and determine, with you, the best place to start.  No

two herbalists ever start in the same place - no need - the organs are

cyclical, much like a moving train, can board it anyplace and work

backwards or frontwards.  I suspect that the first thing s/he will want to

do is 'elimination therapy' - e.g. - eliminate toxins from your body and

eliminate things in your diet that would negate that work.  This can take 3

to 6 months - varies with individuals.  Don't expect that they'll try to

turn you into a vegetarian - at least overnight - that's doomed to failure.

They'll start with the big hitters and work with you to slowly bring things

back in to balance.



This is very much like a teeter-totter.  If you're up in the air, and they

eliminate things too quickly, you'll find yourself quickly falling and

bumping your butt - ouch!



Do stay in touch with this conference - I cannot think of a better support

group!



Good luck and once again - CONGRATS!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help w/Square ONE

From: Stellapr <Stellapr@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:35:28 EST

--------

I tried to give up smoking for 20 years.  I never was a heavy smoker but

couldn't give up those few a day.  When I cut down my craving got worse and

never went away.



I haven't smoked for 2 1/2 years.  I finally quit cold turkey.  I craved

cigarettes for six months.  I would dream about them and watch other people

smoke enviously.  Now it has been so long I can't stand the sight or smell of

them and have no cravings.



I was finally able to quit because I got breast cancer 2 1/2 years ago.  That

was enough to tell me was I not helping myself any with this bad habit.  I

also gave up meat, sugar, diary and anything with preservatives and BEER.

Well, I feel great now but it took a disease to get me to quit.  Diane







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help w/Square ONE

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:31:41 -0900

--------

Advise on quitting smoking?

>

>

Do it quick.  Get a friend to come over.  Make a promise in writing that

you intend to make you life better and healthier and have your friend keep

a copy and you keep a copy to look at every day.

Have your friend take ALL smoking paraphenalia, cigarettes, ash trays, etc.

 Move the furniture so you don't sit in the same place you usually smoke.

Have your friend THROW AWAY ALL THE JUNK mercilessly.

Get some herbs like Valerian root, Skullcap, Hops, Skunk Cabbage, St.

Johnswort, etc for nervines and use them liberally until all symptoms of

withdrawal are gone.  It shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks and you

will be free.  In about a year the smell of tobacco smoke should make you

nauseaous.

JUST DO IT!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help w/Square ONE

From: Juli Kight <castle67@CP.DULUTH.MN.US>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 04:51:36 -0600

--------

Anita is so right, do it quick!  Dont taper off it doesnt work.  I quit a 2 1/2

- 3 pack a day habit, no patch no drugs.  A repiratory flu helped but it doesnt

matter, tapering did not work for me.  I also had help of friends.  I also had

non friends trying to get me to smoke, dont give them the satisfaction. I still

miss it occasionally but she is right, if you sneak on later, even if it smells

good, the taste will throw you for a loop!

Good luck, you have friends on this list and we can help you through it.  I've

been smoke free for four years and love the ability to breath and smell herbs

again!

Best wishes

Juli

Herbs For Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com





Anita Hales wrote:



> Advise on quitting smoking?

> >

> >

> Do it quick.  Get a friend to come over.  Make a promise in writing that

> you intend to make you life better and healthier and have your friend keep

> a copy and you keep a copy to look at every day.

> Have your friend take ALL smoking paraphenalia, cigarettes, ash trays, etc.

>  Move the furniture so you don't sit in the same place you usually smoke.

> Have your friend THROW AWAY ALL THE JUNK mercilessly.

> Get some herbs like Valerian root, Skullcap, Hops, Skunk Cabbage, St.

> Johnswort, etc for nervines and use them liberally until all symptoms of

> withdrawal are gone.  It shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks and you

> will be free.  In about a year the smell of tobacco smoke should make you

> nauseaous.

> JUST DO IT!!

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help w/Square ONE

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:51:34 -0800

--------

>Advise on quitting smoking?

>>

>>

>Do it quick.  Get a friend to come over.  Make a promise in writing that

>you intend to make you life better and healthier and have your friend keep

>a copy and you keep a copy to look at every day.

>Have your friend take ALL smoking paraphenalia, cigarettes, ash trays, etc.

> Move the furniture so you don't sit in the same place you usually smoke.

>Have your friend THROW AWAY ALL THE JUNK mercilessly.

>Get some herbs like Valerian root, Skullcap, Hops, Skunk Cabbage, St.

>Johnswort, etc for nervines and use them liberally until all symptoms of

>withdrawal are gone.  It shouldn't take more than a couple of weeks and you

>will be free.  In about a year the smell of tobacco smoke should make you

>nauseaous.

>JUST DO IT!!

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~



Lobelia is also supposed to help in quitting smoking, but I have no

personal experience with it.



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help w/Square ONE

From: MDLukacs <MDLukacs@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:43:04 EST

--------

Anita is right about do it quick and just do it.  If you attempt to wean

yourself, you still have nicotine in your system and that and the other

chemicals are still doing damage.  Stop it completely and let your system

recover before you attempt anything else.  Did you know the cigarette

manufacturers use bug spray as a flavor enhancer?  Would you knowingly take a

can of ant spray and inhale it into your lungs?



Go the American Cancer Society's website, and you can get lots of info there

that will help you quit.  Until you do stop, put all your cigarettes and ashes

into a big jar, add to it every time you smoke, and keep it swimmingly wet

with water.  Before you light the next cigarette, open the jar and stick your

face in that jar and take a big breath.  Don't allow yourself a cigarette

until you do this.



The ACS had a book, that may now be a videotape, called Fresh Start, how to

quit smoking in 21 days.  It's a great book -- you read one chapter a day,

just one, that you start on your quit day.  Every day that book will tell you

what physical and emotional withdrawal symptoms you will experience and how to

get through them.  I'm not saying this won't be challenging, but the book will

help you with the challenge.  You will have to make changes in your life --

you will have to remove or change the trigger points -- for me, it was talking

on the phone.  I wrote letters to people instead, or if I needed to return a

call, I took the phone into the bathroom and sat on the side of the tub.  I

would never take a cigarette in the bathroom and smoke it -- so I was breaking

the association of the phone with cigarettes.  For others it's after a meal --

so you may need to break the trigger by immediately brushing your teeth or

going outside for some fresh air.  But the book will explain all of this.



There are herbal combinations at your health food store that will help you,

and lobelia is usually found in these.  Lobelia will make a cigarette taste

wretched, thus decreasing your craving.  But the triggers/associations must be

altered, or the cravings will continue.



My biggest problem was a case of the jitters that lasted less than a week, and

I got through those with herbal support.  Every day your system gets more

clean, and that's why you'll have problems with cravings and jitters and

whatever as your body shakes the crud from itself.  But every time you sneak

another puff or three, you set yourself back to square one.  So picture

yourself getting clean and your body performing miracles ridding itself of the

black, poisonous goop.  You will be soooooo amazed in a couple of months how

much better you'll feel.  The smell of cigarettes will make you want to

wretch.  You will still get cravings -- not so much for the cigarette, but for

the *art of the ritual* -- it will pass in a few minutes.  Just distract

yourself.



Best wishes to you.  Millions of people quit every year, so you are not alone

on this journey.  It was the best present I ever gave myself.  If you need

more support, please feel free to contact me directly.



Denise







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion as in wine or books to read?

From: PETER GAIL <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 19:46:52 EST

--------

In case the issue is a book, with 8 wine recipes, the book is The Dandelion

Celebration: A Guide to Unexpected Cuisine. It is available from Goosefoot

Acres Press, P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland Heights, OH 44118, or by calling

800-697-4858 for $10.95 plus $3.50 s/h (Ohio residents add 7% sales tax).

There also is a national organization called The Defenders of Dandelions, a

quarterly newsletter called Dandelion Doings, and an annual national Dandelion

MayFest and National Dandelion Cookoff, held in Dover Ohio at the home of

Breitenbach Wineries, one of 9 companies which make dandelion wine

commercially.  In addition to that, there are over 200 products in health food

and grocery stores which contain dandelions as a major ingredient, including

pet foods and vitamin supplements, dandelion seeds for sale in at least 15

national mailorder seed houses, and more than 20 festivals throughout the

United States in honor of the dandelion each spring.

There also is a wonderful coffee substitute called DandyBlend

YOu can get more information about all of this at petergail@aol.com, by

writing to the address listed above, or calling the 800 number listed above.

If sending e-mail, please include your snailmail address and phone number.



Thanks for asking about dandelions. Have happy holidays.



Peter Gail, Ph.D. Goosefoot Acres Center For Resourceful Living, P>O> Box

18016, Cleveland OH 44118.  (216)932-2145, fax (216)932-2187, (800)697-4858,

e-mail: petergail@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Bruises

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 00:16:48 -0500

--------

I have a _very_ black eye following the excision of a growth over my eye

5 days ago.  Took homeopathic arnica before and following the surgery,

and applied it topically around the excision site, to little avail.  I

have been taking SJW and aplying it topically as a vulnurary, comfrey tea

and compresses and Chinese Traditionals' Resinall K formula (Dragon's

blood, San Q, Catechu, Corydalis, Kava kava, Carthamus, Myrrh,

Frankensence and Bormeo resin).



Any suggestions gratefully accepted.  The blood is stagnant under the

right eye and not moving out very fast at all. I'm tired of looking like

someone beat me up!

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bruises

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:28:57 -0700

--------

>I have a _very_ black eye following the excision of a growth over my eye

>5 days ago.  Took homeopathic arnica before and following the surgery,

>and applied it topically around the excision site, to little avail.  I

>have been taking SJW and aplying it topically as a vulnurary, comfrey tea

>and compresses and Chinese Traditionals' Resinall K formula (Dragon's

>blood, San Q, Catechu, Corydalis, Kava kava, Carthamus, Myrrh,

>Frankensence and Bormeo resin).



The emmenagogues are shoe-ins.  From TCM also consider Dit Dat Jaio

liniment (not really a liniment e.g. - no rubbing alcohol) - popular as

'hit' medicine (bruises caused in martial arts).  I've used slices of

pineapple very effectively (bromelian), as well as slices of papaya

(papain).  Slices of onions are outstanding, but I seriously doubt you want

to put them on the eye area.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bruises

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:46:21 -0800

--------

>I have a _very_ black eye following the excision of a growth over my eye

>5 days ago.  Took homeopathic arnica before and following the surgery,

>and applied it topically around the excision site, to little avail.  I

>have been taking SJW and aplying it topically as a vulnurary, comfrey tea

>and compresses and Chinese Traditionals' Resinall K formula (Dragon's

>blood, San Q, Catechu, Corydalis, Kava kava, Carthamus, Myrrh,

>Frankensence and Bormeo resin).

>

>Any suggestions gratefully accepted.  The blood is stagnant under the

>right eye and not moving out very fast at all. I'm tired of looking like

>someone beat me up!

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com





Hi Karen...



Jeepers, it looks like you are doing everything I first thought of... but

if it has only been 5 days, you may be a little impatient.  If there was an

actual incision, then you are dealing with more than just a bruise.  The

SJW and comfrey should be doing alot of good, even tho you don't see it,

yet.  How about adding circulation boosters - ginkgo, gotu kola, ginger

and/or cayenne?  Those are the only other herbs I can think of... and a

little patience.  I know it seems like it is taking a long time, but

imagine how long it would take if you didn't use any herbs or Arnica?



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bruises

From: SuzyQQt <SuzyQQt@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:41:56 EST

--------

 Karen writes:

"I have a _very_ black eye following the excision of a growth over my eye

5 days ago.  Took homeopathic arnica before and following the surgery,

and applied it topically around the excision site .....The blood is stagnant

under the right eye and not moving out very fast at all. I'm tired of looking

like

someone beat me up!"





after surgery, there is an increase in fluid in the tissues in the

area....there is still only the same number of blood vessels to move fluids

and cellular debris in and out of the area.  the circulation in the eye area

is not assisted by big muscle movement (like circulation in the biceps, for

instance), so fluid is not being moved in and out of there at any greater rate

than it was before the surgery (except for the affect of increased localized

pressure caused by any swelling) .....so here you have this bruised area under

your eye, kinda sitting on the shelf of the orbit- (the bottom of the round

bone opening, there, for the eyeball).....and the stuff just has nowhere to go

rather slowly.  you can try gentle massage to move the debris to where there

are more capillaries available to absorb it, wouldnt hurt you to massage it

gently here and there through the day to move not just the cellular debris,

the purple stuff, but also any other fluids settling there from post-surgical

healing......massage it by laying the pad of one finger gently at the bridge

of the nose and slowly moving outward, with gentle pressure, to the edge of

the eye and over the ridge of the cheekbone....you can try blinking your eye

and flexing muscles of your cheeks as another way to improve

movement/circulation in the affected area (increased circulation/fluid

exchange will help dissolve the debris and move it out of there)......and be

patient...

have you taken vitamin C?  i dont know why i believe this is true, but i

always take an increased dose for a couple days when i have a bruise and it

seems to disappear more quickly....



suzyQQt







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bruises

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:17:47 -0900

--------

At 12:16 AM 3/8/98 -0500, you wrote:

>I have a _very_ black eye following the excision of a growth over my eye

>5 days ago.  Took homeopathic arnica before and following the surgery,

>and applied it topically around the excision site, to little avail.  I

>have been taking SJW and aplying it topically as a vulnurary, comfrey tea

>and compresses and Chinese Traditionals' Resinall K formula (Dragon's

>blood, San Q, Catechu, Corydalis, Kava kava, Carthamus, Myrrh,

>Frankensence and Bormeo resin).

>

>Any suggestions gratefully accepted.  The blood is stagnant under the

>right eye and not moving out very fast at all. I'm tired of looking like

>someone beat me up!

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>****************************************

>

Karen, have you tried the old Mullein Compress??  Other things that come to

mind are Yarrow, Plantain and Capsicum.  Mullein should be good since one

of it's functions is to dissipate fluids and toxins from tissues.  Capsicum

should help too.  Just try not to get any IN your eye, ouch.  I put a

capsicum compress on a badly bruised ankle when a log fell on my husband

once and over night the bruising was noticeably less.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: looking for a book

From: Jennifer Kausch <jan13@TELIS.ORG>

Date: Sat, 7 Mar 1998 21:37:25 -0800

--------

        Hi, Does anyone know of a book out there that has pictures of herb

seedlings in it. So often I have wished I knew what I am looking for after

planting seeds! Thanks! Jennifer







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: looking for a book

From: HERBWORLD <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:27:23 EST

--------

Park's Success with Herbs available from Park Seed has pictures of seedlings



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network

http://www.herbnet.com & http://www.herbworld.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: US Herb rules

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 10:59:17 -0700

--------

Is there a www site that I can refer to for the rules about what you can-

and- cannot say to customers about herbs?

is the following 'signature' enough to keep me out of trouble when I

respond to ???:

**"Email messages are for entertainment purposes, and are not an attempt to

treat or diagnose. See your health care profesional."**

I sure disagree with the necessity of these rules, but until we can change

the "system", I want to stay out of the watchdogs sights, by playing by the

rules...

margo=-)

margo@gemstate.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: US Herb rules

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:58:02 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 10:55:01 EST, you write:



> I want to stay out of the watchdogs sights, by playing by the

>  rules...

Marrgo,



Once you are in the cross hairs - "surprise" the rules change!!  If you are

talking about the lits and what you say on it - there is one answer - the

information here is wide ranging and generally pretty good but is always

provided as a place to start to look - You have seen me rant often on the need

for study and self education.  There is no one that knows you and your body

like you do.  I am not an atttorney, but I would think that someone would be

hard pressed to even begin to target you for suggestions posted to the list

much less bring an action against you for hurting someone that has taken some

or all of what you say and then added it to what I have said, and what Mary

and Anita and Elliot and others have said  - to come up with a "really

complete" fix that winds up making them deaf ddumb and blind.  Though it often

doesn't when it comes to the courts, I would think that common sense would

prevail.



If, on the other hand,  you are talking about a "personal" contact - by mail -

e-mail- or the phone - in person - that is another question altogether with a

far different resposne.  Unless you are an MD or other licensed medical

practitioner - the biggerst no-no is diagnosis and  thesecond is the

subsequent prescription   - because that gets you into the "practice" without

a license hassel which, not from personal experience but from horror stories

and "folk tales" could be a nightmare worse than having cadre of IRS examiners

camp out in your living room while you explain the last 7 years tax returns in

detail.  Over the years, I have become quite used to "suggesting" that someone

do this or that and make it clear that in each and every instance where

someone seeks our advice, it is just that - suggested advice.  We also make it

clear that regardless of our success with helping others, if the person

chooses to follow a particular course of treatment they should check it out

with their primary care provider and then if they choose to consider the

suggestions we have made, they are self treating - , they are doing so on

their own - all we are doing is passing on the wisdom that we have been

fortunate enough to pick up along the way.  We neither diagnose nor do we

prescribe and always say that on the personal level - We do this even in

conversations and have a "standard" disclaimer that goes into all printed

advice and suggetions we make - we even include it in our catalog just to be

on the safe side and it will have a place on page one of the web site when

that is up and running (soon).  I guess the bottome line is that an ounce of

prevention is worth a lot of money and hassles.  It is unfortunate that we

have to be so careful, but there are those out there in the community that

actually thrive on making a buck from anyone they can - including those that

are just trying to help someone be well.

peter







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: US Herb rules

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:04:59 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-11 13:13:52 EST, you write:



> What

>  really perplexes me is the differences between states of the regulations

for

>  "practicing".  Being a "consultant" has been on my mind.

>  Just a thought

>  Juli



Juli,



If you practice you "practice"  if you precscribe and diagnose - you

"practice' everywhere - and the g-men will get you if the state boys don't !!

they take the philosophy that if you talk like a doctor and act like a doctor

you well better have a license to practice - period - call yourself what you

want - they willl call you out - be careful - be safe -

peter







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: US Herb rules

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:23:32 -0600

--------

Peter,  I've labeled myself as an consultant.  Have been concerned and thank you

pointing out possible problems.  Would you expound on "be careful, be safe".  Any

help would be appreciated.



Rosie

natural@wt.net





>

>

> If you practice you "practice"  if you precscribe and diagnose - you

> "practice' everywhere - and the g-men will get you if the state boys don't !!

> they take the philosophy that if you talk like a doctor and act like a doctor

> you well better have a license to practice - period - call yourself what you

> want - they willl call you out - be careful - be safe -

> peter







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: US Herb rules

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:41:36 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-13 03:43:32 EST, you write:



> Peter,  I've labeled myself as an consultant.  Have been concerned and thank

> you

>  pointing out possible problems.  Would you expound on "be careful, be

safe".

>

Rosie,



Don't diagnose - don't prescribe. let the person tell  YOU what is wrong and

then point them in the right direction  - give them books or papers to read -

SUGGEST things - and suggest taking your suggestions to their primary care

provider  -  and explain that you can't prescribe anything - it is the law -

tell them what you would do - were it you faced with the same circumstance -

but be sure to let them know that if they chose to do what you would do if it

were you - without consulting anyone else, they are self medicating -

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: dandelion leaves and root

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 13:49:17 EST

--------

Now that Spring is upon us, I was looking at my lawn and thinking of

dandelions in a new way (not new to most people on the list, however) ...as an

herb and not a "weed". What are great way to harvest Taraxacum officinale.

During the last several months, I was thinking of which seeds to buy so I

could grow my own herbs .....daahh!! This might be a great way to begin my

"harvesting experience" ...to think that some people actually buy a dandelion

preparation in a store when it probably takes almost nothing to make yourself

(and rid your lawn of those intruders at the same time).



I'd like to hear from some of the harvesters on this list as to the best ways

to prepare dandelion for consumption ...leaves and roots. Any tips?? Can we

also hear about uses and personal testimony for cures also? Thanks.



Elliot Freeman







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: PETER GAIL <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:42:49 EST

--------

Anyone on the list who is interested in dandelions can request a free copy of

Dandelion Doings, the quarterly newsletter of the Defenders of Dandelions (a

national organization of folks interested in teaching others about the value

of dandelions in particular and backyard weeds in general.



E-mail your name and snail mail address to petergail@aol.com, and it will be

sent. Included in this issue is a listing of the festivals and dinners which

celebrate the return of the dandelion in the eastern United States. If you

would like a list of seed companies which sell seeds for dandelions, and/or a

list of the health-promoting researchers around the world have found in

dandelions, request those separately. They were in earlier issues of the

newspaper.



Three books are available which deal exclusively with dandelions.  Two of them

are available from Goosefoot Acres Press, and the other from Eclectic

Institute in Sandy Oregon.  Brigitte Mars is currently working on one also.

Information about the first two is in Dandelion Doings. If interested in the

others, ask for the address and phone. They are not available to me as I write

this.



BTW, the 5th Annual Dandelion MayFest and National Dandelion Cookoff will be

held in Dover OH on May 1-2, 1998. Entries for the Cookoff in Amateur,

Professional and Dandelion Gravy categories will be accepted until April 1 at

the address below, or on e-mail to the address above.  Contact us for official

rules and entry forms. First prize in Amateur and Professional is $500. Second

$250 and third $100. The Dandelioin Gravy competition is sponsored by, and

prizes awarded by, the German Embassy.



Put the date on your calendar, and plan to join us if you live nearby, whether

you submit a recipe or not.  It is great fun, and dandelion wine flows freely

all day, at a  cost of course.  Host is Breitenbach Wine Cellars, one of the

few wineries in the US making dandelion wine commercially. 8000 people were

there last year. We expect close to 15,000 this year.





Peter A. Gail, Ph.D. Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box

18016, Cleveland OH 44118  (216)932-2145  fax: (216)932-2187







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:27:23 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 11:01:25 EST, Elliot writes:



> This might be a great way to begin my

>  "harvesting experience" ...to think that some people actually buy a

> dandelion

>  preparation in a store when it probably takes almost nothing to make

> yourself

>  (and rid your lawn of those intruders at the same time).

>

>  I'd like to hear from some of the harvesters on this list as to the best

> ways

>  to prepare dandelion for consumption ...leaves and roots. Any tips?? Can we

>  also hear about uses and personal testimony for cures also?



Elliot,



For most folks the lawn and flower garden is probably the LAST place that they

should be looking for dandelion or plantain, feverfew, burdock or any of the

other herbs that have a second life as pretties.  I say for most because there

are few folks that do not insist on an organic approach to the care of their

lawns and beds, and the plants do pick up the pesticides and herbicides that

one uses.  If you and your neighbors for the next 200 - 300 feet all around

you don't use any form of herbicide or pesticide, and Chem Lawn (definitely

nci) or one of the other yard maintenance firms do not service your

neighborhood, then by all means go for it - if however you use these things

because yoiu want your lawn to look like the "Scott's" (nci) ad on TV, then

find a field in the area that is obviously not too well tended and go for a

walk with your companion Peterson's field guide and have a ball.



Every part of the dandelion is edible - greens can be used for salads  - the

flowers make great salad highlights as well as "fried flowers" if they are

pureed and then put into a batter and deep fried in olive oil.  The roots can

be roasted in a cast iron skillet on the stove with just a touch of oil - or

"dry" - you have to keep them moving or they will burn, but they will taste

wonderfully nutty when they turn brown - roasted should be chopped to 1/2 inch

or smaller pieces - this makes a great tea as well - more flavorful than just

plain.   - harvesting  is really a no-brainer - dig the things up - seperate

the plant from the root - dry both - or make a tincture - or a tea - be

creative  - In terms of use and effect - the dandelion a much better diuretic

than most of the "meds" on the market.  As I have said before on this list the

principle benefit of the plant and root when used in this manner is that it

always leaves you with a bit more in terms of minerals and nutrients than it

causes you to lose.  It is great for folks with edema of any sort and     has

been used successfully instead of hydrochlorothyazide and other similar

prescription meds for treatment of high blood pressure through the use of

diuretics.

hope this helps a little.

peter

-







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: User276055 <User276055@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:03:25 EST

--------

<<

 I'd like to hear from some of the harvesters on this list as to the best ways

 to prepare dandelion for consumption ...leaves and roots. Any tips?? Can we

 also hear about uses and personal testimony for cures also? Thanks.

  >>



Have been picking dandelions for about two weeks here in Western PA. along

with the wild onions and garlic. Use the leaves instead of lettuce as a salad

and the roots can be toasted in the oven and ground to substitute for coffee.

People of Italian heritage in these parts believe that it is the best spring

tonic. And my husband does feel more energetic when he has them. It is said to

be one of the best herbs for building up the blood and has been used as a

diuretic.  Dandelion wine is the best, but you need a gallon of flowers for

each gallon of water. That is a lot of dandelions.

Have fun picking and try the wild garlic and onion to go with it.

Pat Constantine

User276055@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:31:48 -0700

--------

Also, wild craft plants that are 1/4 mile away from roadsides.  This helps

to eliminate toxins given off by noxious fumes (car exhaust) and

'fertilizers' from 2 & 4 legged critters.  Home lawns are hit quite often

by the 4-legged variety.  Applies to all plants, not just dandelions.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:32:26 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 10:36:39 EST, you write:



<<  list as to the best ways

 to prepare dandelion for consumption ...leaves and roots. >>

Elliott

    I was them whole, then put them thrru my juicer with carrots, celery,

apple, ginger, etc.  The Young tenderr leaves ae ownderful in salad, as they

get tougher, steam them like spinach.  Pick the yellow flowers to make wine,

or add the yellow PETALS ONLY to salads.  Dandelions hve been part of a

healthful diet in Europe for eons.

MJH







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:47:43 -0500

--------

Elliot-

just to add to everything that has been said so far-

to eat dandelion greens in the most sweet way, gather them (cut off just

below the leaves) BEFORE they flower, and if possible, before they even send

up the flower bud.  That means April here in New England.  Once the flower

is up, the greens become bitter.



 An the root is best harvested before the leaves are up (or after the fall)



Dandelion wine can be great.  If you encourage me, I might dig up my chapter

on dandelions and transcribe it first  for you.  I do remember an alterative

name- 'pis-en-lit' or piss in bed.  It is a diuretic.

Joanie





>>I'd like to hear from some of the harvesters on this list as to the best

>ways

>> to prepare dandelion for consumption ...leaves and roots







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:38:39 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 13:18:24 EST, you write:



<< then

 find a field in the area that is obviously not too well tended and go for a

 walk with your companion Peterson's field guide and have a ball. >>

Peter

     This is wonderful, but PLEASE REMIND folks to ask permission of the

landowner before trespassing on seemingly "vacant" land.

foxhillers







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: "B.A.S" <bsokolo1@NYCAP.RR.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:04:12 -0800

--------

>I'd like to hear from some of the harvesters on this list as to the best

ways

> to prepare dandelion for consumption ...leaves and roots



 The best things in life are free



I don't know about preparing the roots but the leaves bring back wonderful

memories of my childhood.  Simple to prepare; wash them really well, sautee

in olive oil (just a little) and garlic.  Add water as necessary.  I like

mine very dry and sometimes crispy.   Need to be cooked well so they look

like spinach - soft and can be wound around a fork.



My granny would bring me sandwiches made from dandelions & garlic sauteed

with a little olive oil.  The dandelions are bitter to the taste but they

always tasted great to me.  My granny was a little old Italian lady.  She

would walk around the city of Amsterdam, New York to gather her greens.

Sometimes she prepared the greens in an omlette with eggs and onions too.

After cooking them she would bring her "treats" to her friends & family.



  Eventually, my mother took me to pick "dandelions and broccoli rabe".  She

would  drive us to the country in search of a "nice clean field" where young

dandelion "weeds"  or broccoli rabe were growing.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:43:01 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 14:51:17 EST, you write:



<<

 Dandelion wine can be great.  If you encourage me, I might dig up my chapter

 on dandelions and transcribe it first for you.  I do remember an alterative

 name- 'pis-en-lit' or piss in bed.  It is a diuretic.

 Joanie

>>



Joanie,



Exactly how much encouragement do you need? OK here's some ...information on

dandelion presented to the list could potentially help just about everyone.

Its one of the few plants that's all over and could start some of the newbies

on their first harvesting project. For some people, all they need is

information on an easy task and once completed they can do the rest

themselves. Why ...you could be starting someone on a whole new life-changing

experience. Maybe that's just the thing that will help you get past the fire

that's kept you in misery for so long. Maybe its time to show that fire, it

can't stop you from doing what you love to do ..help other people.



(If you need more encouragement, just let me know. I might be able to muster

up a little more)



Your Friend,



Elliot

-Elliot







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:52:37 -0500

--------

Another dandelion tidbit.  I have heard Susun Weed talk many times about her

plan to persuade McDonald's to plant Dandelions in their lawn, so that  all

their customers could go pick a leaf to add to their sandwiches and have a

truly nutritious meal!



Joanie  (now what was the name of Popeye's friend who was always bumming

money for hamburgers?)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:44:18 -0700

--------

>Another dandelion tidbit.



While we're at it - potassium - the dandy lion is very high in potassium,

perfect as a diuretic since it leaves behind more than it removes.

Eliminates need to pig out on bananas.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:25:51 -0600

--------

YOU WROTE:

I'd like to hear from some of the harvesters on this list as to the best

ways  to prepare dandelion for consumption ...leaves and roots...



I ADD:

When I was young, my mother used to fry two slices of bacon til crisp in a

cast iron skillet.  She'd crumble this back into the grease, add vinegar, a

tablespoon or two of water, heat this til steaming and then add a mess of

dandelion greens.  She'd toss it all together for a second or two - just

enough to wilt the leaves and remove to plates.  Then a sprinkle of sliced

scallions, a spoonful of grated hard boiled egg -  Sometimes she'd mix in

early spring spinich or add sliced mushrooms and Ummmmmmm!



Dandelion gets bitter as the season warms up.  I can remember dozens of

little clay flower pots upside down over the plants all over the back yard

as she blanched them to get "just one more week" out of the spring

dandelion season.

KB









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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: Lory2x2 <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 16:57:08 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 22:44:40 EST, you write:

<< all they need is information on an easy task >>



Okay Guys & Gals - while you are all busy eating the stuff I have another

"easy task" for you - dig up a piece of root & wipe that sticky white sap on a

cut that won't heal! Dandelion sap pulls the poison out of cuts, bug bites,

etc., & makes it's own (unsightly brown <g>) bandage. For winter & drought

season you can simmer the roots in olive oil & thicken with beeswax for a

year-round salve.  Mosquito & black fly season is right around the corner

(eeek)       Lory



Lory2x2@aol.com

 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/lory2x2/">Lory's Herb Page</A>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: dandelion leaves and root

From: Gordon Cable <gpcable@GTE.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:19:52 -0800

--------

Lory2x2 wrote:

>

> In a message dated 98-03-09 22:44:40 EST, you write:

> << all they need is information on an easy task >>

>

> Okay Guys & Gals - while you are all busy eating the stuff I have another

> "easy task" for you - dig up a piece of root & wipe that sticky white sap on a

> cut that won't heal! Dandelion sap pulls the poison out of cuts, bug bites,

> etc., & makes it's own (unsightly brown <g>) bandage. For winter & drought

> season you can simmer the roots in olive oil & thicken with beeswax for a

> year-round salve.  Mosquito & black fly season is right around the corner

> (eeek)       Lory

>

> Lory2x2@aol.com

>  <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/lory2x2/">Lory's Herb Page</A>



Hello

Here's another tidbit about fresh, years ago I read in one of my herbals

that if you put fresh dandelion sap on warts, they would go away.

So I did that in the spring when they're all coming up all over, it

works, I had one on my hand and on on my foot. It took persistance,

I'm not sure how long, but it worked.

I'm new here, but am enjoying.

Blessings all,

Patsy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal Health Software I found

From: Kimberlee Simmons/Blackwood <spooky@FRONTIERNET.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 01:05:28 +0500

--------

Looking for gardening software, I found this.  I know many of the

experienced folks here may think it's childs play, but new ones (like

me! <G>) might find it useful:

Here's the address:

http://www6.zdnet.com/cgi-bin/texis/swlib/hotfiles/info.html?fcode=00063



And here's the description:

Herb Power

                                                    08-04-97



                   Hoferichter Design



                   Herb Power is an attractive, easy-to-use guide to

                   using herbs. Large menu buttons lead the way to 15

                   herb names, descriptions, and graphical images of

                   each plant. The descriptions cover cultivation of

                   the plant; culinary, medicinal, and cosmetic uses;

                   and health warnings. You can also read about how to

                   collect and prepare plants and how to adjust for

                   children's doses. The program includes a medical

                   dictionary and measurement conversions. The

                   registered version contains more than 60 categories

                   of medical ailments and more than 400 herbal

                   treatments. This update contains unspecified

                   changes.



                   System Requirements

                   Mouse, VGA, and DOS 3.3



                   Purchase Information

                   Shareware: Free to try, $20 if you decide to keep

                   it. Registration benefits include: expanded

                   features.

Blessings,

Kimberlee



"Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes"

Kimberlee Simmons, a.k.a. "Blackwood"

spooky@frontiernet.net   or   blackwood13@yahoo.com

http://www.frontiernet.net/~spooky







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Esbertox and Echinacin

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 8 Mar 1998 17:33:19 EST

--------

Can anyone tell me if Esbertox (echincacea, wild indigo, and arbor vitae) is

available in the United States and who markets the product? The same for

Echinacin ointment and liquid. Apparently, these have been the most studied

preparations of echinacea.

Thanks in advance.



Elliot Freeman RPh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tooth abscess

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 10:31:08 -0500

--------

Tim- I have had terrible problems with tooth abscesses.



 I have very long and curved tooth roots, so no dentist has been able to do

a successful root canal on me, with resultant horror stories I'd rather not

get into now.  After the last try, in 1983, which resulted in 6 months of

feeling like a zombie, sickness, pain, and more damage to my teeth than

otherwise would have happened, I gave up on dentists.



I deal with a recurrent abscess with gum massage, salt rinses, hydrogen

peroxide rinses, myrrh gum tincture (topical-very good), some homeopathic

remedies (belladonna is only one that I remember offhand-though I had a

whole book on the subject of homeopathic dentistry at one time), a water pik

(also very good), garlic, diligence, attention, sometimes allopathic

painkillers, and, once in a while, if the infection really gets out of hand

(which it hasn't since I quit the dentists in 1983), a round of Goldenseal

and Echinacea (incl. e. angustifolia).



I have avoided problems for quite a while now with the regular use of tea

tree oil toothpicks.  And I like the ayurvedic Vicco toothpaste.



Oh, I almost forgot- I did draw out a very bad abscess once (resulting form

a bad root canal from 5 years before), actually right through my cheek,

using a poultice of clay, covered with cabbage leaf or onion skin.  This

left scar tissue, though, on my cheek, and I had a crooked smile for a

while, so I would not recommend this.  But clay has incredible drawing

power.  It is just hard to deal with when you have an abscess inside your

mouth.  'Our Earth, Our Cure', by Michael ??, or Raymond ??

(I may find the name later) was the starting point for this clay experiment.



 There are books out there on alternative home dentistry-the one I wish I

could find was written by some guy with a 'bearish' sounding name, but I

just cannot remember it.



I cannot guarantee that you will be able to keep your tooth with my regimen,

though.  Mine are all functional, but they are not all intact.  But my whole

being feels better as my silver-mercury amalgam fillings fall out.



Sorry, I gotta go now. Good luck.



Joanie

(oh, by the way, nettles and horsetail are two ingredients I know to be in a

jaw and tooth-enamel rebuilding formula.  Susun Weed has mentioned this, as

have others.  In India, it is being used.  There are two other herbs that

are often added to this formula.  Does anyone know what they are?  I lost my

notes on this in my house fire, and it seems that I lost my memory, too-

I'll ask this again later if I get no response)



Tim wrote-



>looking for opinions on Goldenseal and toothaches and or abscesses-small

>ones. Its on a tooth I want to keep and can chew with it . Should I get

>root canal? extracted? leave it alone? Looking for pro and con on all

>opinions especially the last one.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Off-topic: Paul I.

From: Michael Umehara <umeham@RPI.EDU>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 11:42:56 -0500

--------

In the interest of reducing the "me too" requests, here is what I know

of what happened to Paul Iannone...



He started of on the neijia (internal arts) mailing list and lasted a

few weeks since they are a tough confrontational group to begin with.

You can imagine the scene...



He then switched to the taichichuan mailing list where he followed a

similar path to the herb list - provide good information but debase

those he considered in the wrong. Believe it or not he actually

apologized a few times for his attitudes, though he did get removed

eventually.



Anyway, I am sure the volume of mail on the taichi list was enough to

handle and he quit the herb list around that time. He is missed by

several (including myself) on the taichi list as well.



He is currently working on a book or books I believe on tai chi.



The above is what I know or hypothesize.



Take care,

Mike U.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Paul

From: Dawn Finney <finney@VH.ORG>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:13:47 -0600

--------

Y'all gotta see this--there's actually a "Where is Paul" web page--it's at:

http://www.tdl.com/~bodacia/paul2.htm



I got many replies to my initial query--I didn't realize there were so many

people wondering about him.





Here's the text of that page; it's short:



             WHO IS HE?



                        The notorious Paul Iannone. A man of mystery --

                        hated by some, beloved by others.



                        A dedicated healer...student and practitioner of

                        Chinese medicine...fan of surfing, Macintosh

                        computers, Hot Tuna, and Carlos Castaneda.



                        An old hipster with the foulest mouth and the

                        quickest temper this side of cyberspace.



                        An arrogant, sarcastic, sneering sonuvabitch who

                        took the internet by storm, then suddenly

                        disappeared without a trace.



                        All in all, my cyber heee-ro!



           WHERE IS HE?



                        Well, that's what I'd like to know!



                        Paul's last post to the Medicinal Herblist mailing

                        list was submitted on July 4, 1997 (and his last

                        post to usenet was made some time before that).

                        But since last summer -- poof! -- he seems to have

                        vanished into thin air.



                        At one time or another, Paul could be reached

                        here, here, here, here, here, or here.



                        If anyone knows the current whereabouts and/or

                        welfare of Paul Iannone, please inform me.

                        Thanks.



                        Paul: if you're out there . . . WE MISS YOU !!!









~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Dawn M. L. Finney

Electric Differential Lab

The Virtual Hospital Project  http://www.vh.org

The University of Iowa

Iowa City, Iowa, USA



dawn-finney@uiowa.edu

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Paul

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:19:15 -0700

--------

>                        An old hipster with the foulest mouth and the

>                        quickest temper this side of cyberspace.

>

>                        An arrogant, sarcastic, sneering sonuvabitch who

>                        took the internet by storm, then suddenly

>                        disappeared without a trace.



      Hehehe - this reminds me of a comment Dr. Michael Tierra made at the

      Phoenix Health Expo this last weekend when he described his efforts

      at getting the American Guild of Herbalists organized and running.

      He asked if anyone really comprehended what it took to get all of

      those cantankerous old herbalists to agree on anything.



      At any rate, a people search of Inet reveals the following addresses

      for "Paul" - pick one, flame him.  If he flames back you'll know you

      have the right Paul.  :)



 Name                            E-Mail Location



         Paul Iannone       @LAMG.COM



         Paul Iannone       @pop.com



        Paul Iannone        @ucla.edu







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: "T'ainne Segal" <seagul1@VOICENET.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:31:47 -0500

--------

Hello,

I've seen a non tobacco smoking blend that claims to be good for clearing

the respiratory system.  The ingredients are coltsfoot and mullein.  Any

thoughts on this?

Terri







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: Sophie Wiggins <sophie/harvey@SOPHIE-HARVEY.DEMON.CO.UK>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:47:21 +0000

--------

In message <1.5.4.32.19980309193147.00665688@popmail.voicenet.com>,

T'ainne Segal <seagul1@VOICENET.COM> writes

>Hello,

>I've seen a non tobacco smoking blend that claims to be good for clearing

>the respiratory system.  The ingredients are coltsfoot and mullein.  Any

>thoughts on this?

>Terri

really really don't see that filling your lungs with smoke can be useful

at all - better off taking something orally. any smoke will just settle

out in your lungs, which must impair them? (not being self-righteous; I

smoke, but am CONVINCED it's not good for me whether tobacco or not, any

more than any dust............)

--

Sophie







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:25:32 -0900

--------

At 07:47 PM 3/9/98 +0000, you wrote:

>In message <1.5.4.32.19980309193147.00665688@popmail.voicenet.com>,

>T'ainne Segal <seagul1@VOICENET.COM> writes

>>Hello,

>>I've seen a non tobacco smoking blend that claims to be good for clearing

>>the respiratory system.  The ingredients are coltsfoot and mullein.  Any

>>thoughts on this?

>>Terri

>really really don't see that filling your lungs with smoke can be useful

>at all - better off taking something orally. any smoke will just settle

>out in your lungs, which must impair them? (not being self-righteous; I

>smoke, but am CONVINCED it's not good for me whether tobacco or not, any

>more than any dust............)

>--

>Sophie

>

>

Smoke from herbs has long been used as a medium for administration of the

medicines.  You don't have to puff on it all day or "fill your lungs".  The

advantages are that the medicines are immediately available and when

treating the lungs, it goes directly to the trouble spot.  In ailments like

asthma or heart trouble, instant treatment can mean life or death.  A

couple puffs on lobelia and coltsfoot can do much for a suffering asthmatic.

It's not just "dust" in the smoke from the herbs.  Keep in mind that it is

a VERY powerful medium and should be used judiciously.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 12:56:47 -0700

--------

>I've seen a non tobacco smoking blend that claims to be good for clearing

>the respiratory system.  The ingredients are coltsfoot and mullein.  Any

>thoughts on this?

Cough, cough, hack, hack - it'll probably work - if there's too much

coltsfoot there'll be a lot of coughing and hacking.



For a fun adventure, go to Howie Brounstein's website:

http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html



Look for this under Herbal Information:



 "Fill up the pipe, put up your feet, and relax to the Herbal Smoking

Mixtures Booklet, the

hypertext version or the text version."   (there are clickable words in

there).



Delightful article on this whole subject.



ENJOY!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:41:23 -0700

--------

>really really don't see that filling your lungs with smoke can be useful

>at all - better off taking something orally. any smoke will just settle



Agreed - sort of, maybe, perhaps.  An exception to this might be datura for

asthma (sounds like an oxymoron, huh?).  To the best of my knowledge, it is

only effective if smoked (for this purpose).



However, it's really very dangerous (toxic).  If you don't know what it is,

don't bother looking it up.  If you do know, then you probably already know

that it should only be used by those having great expertise in its use.

Having said that, I guess I could change my vote to agreed, with minor

exception.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:56:02 -0500

--------

isn't datura a very strong hallucinagen?



||

||>really really don't see that filling your lungs with smoke can be useful

||>at all - better off taking something orally. any smoke will just settle

||

||Agreed - sort of, maybe, perhaps.  An exception to this might be datura for

||asthma (sounds like an oxymoron, huh?).  To the best of my knowledge, it is

||only effective if smoked (for this purpose).

||

||However, it's really very dangerous (toxic).  If you don't know what it is,

||don't bother looking it up.  If you do know, then you probably already know

||that it should only be used by those having great expertise in its use.

||Having said that, I guess I could change my vote to agreed, with minor

||exception.

||







--

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"My liver is bad, well--let it get worse!"

-dostoevsky







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:48:50 -0900

--------

At 09:56 PM 3/13/98 -0500, you wrote:

>isn't datura a very strong hallucinagen?

Yes and it will KILL you.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 22:08:20 -0500

--------

yes, isn't that the case with most naturally occurring hallucinagens - that they are toxic?



||

||At 09:56 PM 3/13/98 -0500, you wrote:

||>isn't datura a very strong hallucinagen?

||Yes and it will KILL you.

||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

||Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

||~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

||







--

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: SuzyQQt <SuzyQQt@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:53:24 EST

--------

Terri writes:

"I've seen a non tobacco smoking blend that claims to be good for clearing

the respiratory system.  The ingredients are coltsfoot and mullein.  Any

thoughts on this?"



i smoke a mullein mixture when i have a cough.... it works wonders.... you can

mix it half/half, more or less, with even cannibis to soothe a hacking cough

(i have not used colts foot before, so cant comment on it).....i used to make

tea with the mullein (plain and also with marshmallow root, red clover,

skullcap, wintergreen and damiana (cause im a girl ;>) and a bit of licorice

root and definitely alfalfa) when i was sick...... either way, tea or smoking,

mullein is good to help soothe, yes, soothe the lungs and increase motility in

the mucus that is stuck way down there in the lower lobes - it decreases the

irritation that makes you cough, and when you do cough, it gives you a more

productive cough, so stuff will move OUT of your lungs.......smoking it is

rather easy and portable......cant always fix a spot if tea throughout the

day.....and strange as it may seem, it really does help clear out your lungs

when you smoke it..... Dont use papers to smoke it. - they are very harsh on

the lungs...but if you must, make sure they are rice papers with no glue.....

least irritating to the lungs......(for some, just not smoking burned papers

is enough to give their lungs a break....rice papers have very the lowest

amount of inhalants from burning)

hope this helps







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:18:52 -0900

--------

At 02:31 PM 3/9/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello,

>I've seen a non tobacco smoking blend that claims to be good for clearing

>the respiratory system.  The ingredients are coltsfoot and mullein.  Any

>thoughts on this?

>Terri

>

>

Should be wonderfully expectorant and soothing to tissues.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: RickVanBen <RickVanBen@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:38:38 EST

--------

Terri, what's the smoking blend called?



Thanks,

Rick



<<At 02:31 PM 3/9/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello,

>I've seen a non tobacco smoking blend that claims to be good for clearing

>the respiratory system.  The ingredients are coltsfoot and mullein.  Any

>thoughts on this?

>Terri

>

>

Should be wonderfully expectorant and soothing to tissues. >> (Anita Hale's

response)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: RickVanBen <RickVanBen@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:49:26 EST

--------

Anita,



I'm an asthmatic non-smoker and I'm curious about the coltsfoot and mullein

smoking blend.  How would you recommend smoking an herbal blend?  With a pipe?

I imagine inhaling burning paper would be a bad idea.



Thanks,



Rick



In a message dated 3/11/98 5:13:15 AM, you wrote:



<<Smoke from herbs has long been used as a medium for administration of the

medicines.  You don't have to puff on it all day or "fill your lungs".  The

advantages are that the medicines are immediately available and when

treating the lungs, it goes directly to the trouble spot.  In ailments like

asthma or heart trouble, instant treatment can mean life or death.  A

couple puffs on lobelia and coltsfoot can do much for a suffering asthmatic.

It's not just "dust" in the smoke from the herbs.  Keep in mind that it is

a VERY powerful medium and should be used judiciously.

>>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herbs for clearing the respiratory system

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:59:59 -0900

--------

At 02:49 PM 3/11/98 EST, you wrote:

>Anita,

>

>I'm an asthmatic non-smoker and I'm curious about the coltsfoot and mullein

>smoking blend.  How would you recommend smoking an herbal blend?  With a

pipe?

>I imagine inhaling burning paper would be a bad idea.

>

>

I think it's Howie Brounsteins web page that has a great deal of info on

herbal smokes.  There are links to it on Henriette's page I think.  You'd

get more info there.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stevia

From: Carol n NY <CarolnNY@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:44:12 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-09 13:42:14 EST, you write:

<< Has anyone used stevia in their daily use to sub. for other sweetners? If

 so, how are you using it? >>



I use Stevia daily (since Sept.). I use it in Tea & plain yogurt, I have baked

with it. I really love it!   I use the white powder in my yogurt & baking. I

use the liquid in my tea.



I found a Stevia sugar conversion chart at the following web page:

http://www.fastlane.net/~kirkland/stevia/stevia.htm



Carol Ostrander

CarolnNY@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: stevia

From: Dick &Lucinda Jenkins <jenkins@GLENBROOKFARM.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:18:50 -0800

--------

Has anyone used stevia in their daily use to sub. for other sweetners? If

so, how are you using it?

What do you think about this new product from Crisco called "Olean".  Does

anybody know anything about that?

Thanks

lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs & Such







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stevia

From: deb <stufunlimited@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:53:16 -0500

--------

Dick &Lucinda Jenkins wrote:



> Has anyone used stevia in their daily use to sub. for other sweetners?

> If

> so, how are you using it?



I use stevia regularly.  I put it in my tea,  I've used it for baking

and making rice pudding and I even put it in an herbal tea I made for

cramping and depression.



> What do you think about this new product from Crisco called "Olean".

> Does

> anybody know anything about that?







I live in Indiana where it was test marketed.  It is made so that it's

molecules are immediately rejected from your system...this causes

extreme diarrhea in some cases.  I personally didn't want to try it.

It's just another way to sell people more of something they should eat

less of .  It got pretty mixed reviews on all the news shows, caused a

huge controversy then seemed to disappear.



Hope I've been helpful.



Deb







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: stevia

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 16:46:20 -0800

--------

>Has anyone used stevia in their daily use to sub. for other sweetners? If

>so, how are you using it?

>What do you think about this new product from Crisco called "Olean".  Does

>anybody know anything about that?

>Thanks

>lucinda Jenkins

>Glenbrook Farms Herbs & Such



I make a liquid sweetener with distilled water and stevia leaves.  I fill a

small mason jar 1/4 full with stevia leaves (cut) and fill it up with

distilled water.  Leave this for a few days and it sweetens up nicely.  I

use this in my herbal teas.



As for "Olean" - I haven't heard much, except that some people get diarrhea

from it.  However, I would suspect anything that comes from men's labs,

trying to do mother nature one better, or trying to cheat her.  When you

find out the truth about Nutrasweet, you find out that those who produce

these food replacements are looking for a big bucks and don't reveal all

the results from their studies... sometimes actually changing the results!

I, for one, won't use it.  I'll stick with olive oil and butter.  Certainly

not low fat, but at least I know they are real, and I know the health

benefits and drawbacks.



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: spring dandelions

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 13:28:19 -0700

--------

>>>Now that Spring is upon us<<<

Ah, gee, Elliot- what are you trying to pull over?? Spring??  My heart is

broken...not to mention buried under two feet of snow.

Well, just to prove that I can be a good sport, here is a dandelion

recipe:(medicinal for the "heart" <g>)

   DANDELION FLOWER FRITTERS

Servings       : 10

Categories       :       Breads       Vegetarian

   1       cup Whole-Wheat Flour(or white)

   2       tablespoons Olive Oil

   2       teaspoons Baking Powder

   1       cup Dandelion Flowers, clean and  Unsprayed

   1       pinch Salt

   1       Egg

         Nonstick Vegetable-Oil Spray

   1/2       cup Low-Fat Milk -or- Water

This variation on pancakes uses the yellow puffs of the dandelion, a good

source of Vitamin A. In a bowl mix together flour, baking powder and salt.

In a separate bowl, beat egg, then mix with milk or water and olive oil.

Combine with dry mixture. Stir in yellow flowers carefully, taking care not

to crush them. Lightly spray a griddle or frying pan with vegetable oil.

Heat until thoroughly warmed.

Pour batter onto griddle by spoonfuls and cook like pancakes. Makes 10

fritters.



Now I will try to contain my jealousy...

margo =-)



margo@gemstate.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Throat weakness

From: Bill & Judy Henry <henry@CYBERUS.CA>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:38:17 -0500

--------

Hi Herbheads



I am finding that over the years,( I'm not that old) I easily lose my

voice: when I am speaking to a group or at an exhibition, if I need to talk

a lot. Some of this might be nervousness but I feel there is also something

happening physically.I wonder if there is a way to strengthen my vocal

chords through herbs, diet or exercises.  Any experience with this issue?



Thanks.



Judy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Throat weakness

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:34:02 -0900

--------

At 03:38 PM 3/9/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Herbheads

>

>I am finding that over the years,( I'm not that old) I easily lose my

>voice: when I am speaking to a group or at an exhibition, if I need to talk

>a lot. Some of this might be nervousness but I feel there is also something

>happening physically.I wonder if there is a way to strengthen my vocal

>chords through herbs, diet or exercises.  Any experience with this issue?

>

>Thanks.

>

>Judy

>

>

Yup, lots of experience with this.  I'm a professional singer.  Go take

some singing lessons.  Even if you think you can't sing, the exercises will

do wonders in strengthening your vocal cords and in teaching you to speak

so you don't strain your voice.  One easy thing you can do is to pick a

medium high pitch, open your mouth cavity as large as you can without

separating your lips, relax the tongue, lift your eyebrows and hum the

pitch as quietly as you can. You may find it "cutting out" now and then but

keep humming on that pitch.  Try to build up to being able to hum for 45-60

seconds.  It's harder than it sounds but will do much to strengthen your

cords.

When you speak, use your diaphragm.  Well, I could go on more but your best

bet is to get a few lessons under your belt and do it right.  It helps to

have someone watch you to SEE what you are doing wrong.

Peppermint drops like Altoids can be very soothing and moisturizing.  Make

sure you drink enough water (not pop, coffee or tea or juice).

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Throat weakness

From: HERBALS <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:33:40 EST

--------

In a message dated 3/11/98 4:07:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, hales1@KTN.NET
writes:



<< Peppermint drops like Altoids can be very soothing and moisturizing. >>



Altoids are great. Definitely 'Curiously Strong'.  Another thing that you
might want to try is slippery elm losenges.  Two Trees is a brand that I am
familiar with.  They will also make you drink more water, IMHO, they do me.



Have a great HERBAL day,



Tamara D. Leonard

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Harvesting Dandelion leaves

From: Wjp1816 <Wjp1816@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 15:39:55 EST

--------

I've been interested in the discussion on eating Dandelion leaves.  With my

Italian background, my father and eventually my Mother-in-Law both harvested

the leaves

in the spring before the formation of the flower bud and then again in the

fall before

any frosts.  After eating both spring and fall leaves I could not detect any

difference

in the texture and taste.



As my background would lead you to believe, I probably ate more cooked leaves

than raw.  The leaves can be cooked in the same skillet or pot that you have

previously cooked a couple of strips of bacon.



The other wild food that we are burdock.  The leaves should be harvested in

early spring as soon as two to three leaves emerge.



Cut the leaves just below the crown (to keep the leaves in a bunch).  Wash and

clean the stems, discard the leaves.  The stalks are then parboiled until

tender.

After removing the leaves the stems should have the tough strings removed.



The parboiled, tender stalks can be added to scrambled eggs for a delicious

and refrishing breakfast treat.



          Bill Pizer







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Paul (possible update?)

From: Bo <bodacia@TDL.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 14:22:25 -0800

--------

I am the owner of the "Where is Paul?" web page.



Several weeks ago, I received email from someone claiming to be Paul

Iannone.  However, I strongly believe this person was an imposter.  "Paul"

claimed that, the reason no one had heard from him is that he'd been

"traveling in Asia."  We corresponded briefly, but when I challenged him on

his identity (I asked for some TCM and aconite information, etc.), I never

heard from him again.  Also, this person was not using any of Paul's known

email addresses (p_iannone@lamg.com, paul_iannone@lamg.com,

p_iannone@pop.com, paul_iannone@pop.com, iannone@ucla.edu, pi2@loop.com),

but rather an AOL addresss.  All in all, highly suspicious.



So I guess the mystery continues...



I apologize for continuing this off-topic thread, but I remain concerned

about the whereabouts and wellbeing of Paul Iannone.  Paul, if you're out

there, you are dearly missed.







-Bo

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: EYE ABCESS

From: Sherm <sherman@OSWEGO.OSWEGO.EDU>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:05:56 -0500

--------

Hello,

My sister has a type of pus filled abcess under her eyelid, is there

anything we can do for her herbally??  It irritates her eye and swells all

the time please help.

Dan







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: EYE ABCESS

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 20:03:29 -0900

--------

At 06:05 PM 3/9/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Hello,

>My sister has a type of pus filled abcess under her eyelid, is there

>anything we can do for her herbally??  It irritates her eye and swells all

>the time please help.

>Dan

>

>

Are we talking about a stye or about a pustule?  Is it indeed pus in the

swelling or fluids?  Are her eyes dry and itchy?  Watery?  How's her

general health?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rebuilding Tooth Enamel/Bleeding Gums

From: Bill Winston <b.winston@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 18:29:12 -0500

--------

I'm not sure about enamel, Joanie, but I have a formula that will heal gum

tissue, grow bone and reattach receeding gums.  It comes from a book called

"Curing with Cayenne" by Sam Biser.



2 oz. Echinacea root tincture

8 dropperfuls of Tea Tree oil

1 oz. Bayberry tincture

1/2 oz. Oak Gall Tincture (Oak Bark tincture will do, but use twice as

much)

4 dropperfuls of Cayenne tincture

20 drops of Peppermint Oil



The Tea Tree oil somehow makes the Cayennne not seem so hot.

You put 2-8 dropperfuls of this mixture into a water pik filled with

distilled water and use twice a day.  Will usually stop bleeding gums in 2

days.  Be sure to run plain water thru the water pik for at least 10

seconds after each use or the oils will destroy the machine.



 being feels better as my silver-mercury amalgam fillings fall out.

>

> Sorry, I gotta go now. Good luck.

>

> Joanie

> (oh, by the way, nettles and horsetail are two ingredients I know to be

in a

> jaw and tooth-enamel rebuilding formula.  Susun Weed has mentioned this,

as

> have others.  In India, it is being used.  There are two other herbs that

> are often added to this formula.  Does anyone know what they are?  I lost

my

> notes on this in my house fire, and it seems that I lost my memory, too-

> I'll ask this again later if I get no response)

>

> Tim wrote-

>

> >looking for opinions on Goldenseal and toothaches and or abscesses-small

> >ones. Its on a tooth I want to keep and can chew with it . Should I get

> >root canal? extracted? leave it alone? Looking for pro and con on all

> >opinions especially the last one.

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rebuilding Tooth Enamel/Bleeding Gums

From: Jill Rubadue <jlr@GRRTECH.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:00:04 -0800

--------

I missed Joanie's original post re: tooth-enamel rebuilding, but I have

a question. As a child I was given tetrocyclene which ruined my

permanent teeth which were developing. They are brownish and my mom

explained to me that I don't have all the enamel on my teeth that I

should. I don't know if that is correct or not...but if it is...is there

a way to "grow it" and thereby have white pearlies? My teeth are nicely

shaped and sized, just dark.



Thanks for any input,



Jill







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rebuilding Tooth Enamel/Bleeding Gums

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:26:45 -0800

--------

>please repost the formula for rebuilding tooth enamel with horsetail and

>lobedia.





was that Dr. Christopher's Calcium formula that you wanted repeated?  If

so, here it is...



6 parts Horsetail (Equisetum hyemale - or equivalent growing in your area)

3 parts Oat straw (Avena sativa)

4 parts Comfrey root (Symphytum officinale) - I have switched to leaves, myself

1 part  Lobelia (Lobelia inflata)



Use 1 tsp. of the mixture to 1 cup of boiled distilled water.  Let it steep

until cool enough to drink.



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: cayenne tincture

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:35:37 -0700

--------

I made a cayenne glycerite, so strong one drop left my mouth 'afire'- I can

feel it all the way to my ears...wowsee.

What would you-all use this for?

margo

margo@gemstate.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Zack Kaplan <zkaplan@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:06:55 -0500

--------

i bet it would help burn out things like a sore throat- or you could use

it fot arthritic type things!---how did you make it??

zack



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:30:49 -0700

--------

> i bet it would help burn out things like a sore throat- or you could use

> it fot arthritic type things!---how did you make it??

> zack

It is a 3-step process:  1. five days in a 70% glycerin base at 100degF or

less. Strain and use same herbs for step 2.

2.  pressure cook in fresh 70% glycerin base. Strain and use same herb for

step three.

3. make strong decoction, reduce 80%.

mix all 3 fluids together.

This is a bit simplified, but is the basic process I use. I have been

experimenting with glycerites this year, and like this process. It seems to

be getting everything out of the herb. I have done chokecherry/horehound,

oregon grape,  yarrow,  stevia and the cayenne. Havn't had the chance to

use most of the herbs, yet (my family isn't co-operating: they insist on

staying healthy), so I am judging by taste so far.  The chokecherry is very

effective, lots of coughers in town to test it on...

margo







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: sonnan <sonnan@STAN.LCC.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 20:32:11 PST

--------

You might try to use it for an external arthritis therapy rub.  I would

test it on a small area first as some people have a pretty severe reaction

to capsican derivitives.

Nancy in East Texas



----------

> I made a cayenne glycerite, so strong one drop left my mouth 'afire'-

What would you-all use this for?



Margo







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:36:36 -0500

--------

Cayenne tincture is really for mixing with other tinctures rather than

taking alone.  A few drops in a tincture bottle will potentiate the other

ingredients, getting it past the mucous membranes and into the

bloodstream faster.  It also apparently allows the herb to remain in the

blood longer before being neutralized by the liver.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998 17:35:37 -0700 margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

writes:

>I made a cayenne glycerite, so strong one drop left my mouth 'afire'-

>I can

>feel it all the way to my ears...wowsee.

>What would you-all use this for?

>margo

>margo@gemstate.net

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:58:11 -0800

--------

Margo:



I heartily recommend its use to shut up those fools who insist on "they

ain't n'er had sompthin' so's strong they couldn't drink a gallon o' it".



<giggling hysterically>



Sell me some so's I can shut up my husband. (egads I get tired of hearing

"You call this HOT"?!!!).



- Tera.



-----Original Message-----

From:   margo clayson [SMTP:margo@GEMSTATE.NET]

Sent:   Monday, March 09, 1998 4:36 PM

To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject:        cayenne tincture



I made a cayenne glycerite, so strong one drop left my mouth 'afire'- I can

feel it all the way to my ears...wowsee.

What would you-all use this for?

margo

margo@gemstate.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:05:43 -0500

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Terra-



Instead of cayenne tincture, you might want to make it out of a *really*

hot pepper.  { ;-o>

Karen Vaughan



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On Mon, 9 Mar 1998 23:58:11 -0800 TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM> writes:

>I heartily recommend its use to shut up those fools who insist on "they

>ain't n'er had sompthin' so's strong they couldn't drink a gallon o'

it".

>

><giggling hysterically>

>

>Sell me some so's I can shut up my husband. (egads I get tired of

>hearing "You call this HOT"?!!!).

>

>- Tera.

>

>-----Original Message-----

>From:   margo clayson [SMTP:margo@GEMSTATE.NET]

>Sent:   Monday, March 09, 1998 4:36 PM

>To:     HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

>Subject:        cayenne tincture

>

>I made a cayenne glycerite, so strong one drop left my mouth 'afire'-

>I can

>feel it all the way to my ears...wowsee.

>What would you-all use this for?

>margo

>margo@gemstate.net

>



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Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:32:32 -0700

--------

>



I made a cayenne glycerite, so strong one drop left my mouth 'afire'- I can

>feel it all the way to my ears...wowsee.

>What would you-all use this for?



Cats in heat or ants?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:51:05 -0700

--------

>Cayenne tincture is really for mixing with other tinctures rather than

Just an extra tidbit.  I made a tincture out of Dr. Christopher's

Composition Powder.

Have some friends that refuse to respond to any diaphoretics when they feel

a cold coming on.

They also refuse to take an infusion of the Composition Powder (don't blame

them, that's a lot of fiery water to consume all at once).  But, I manage

to get a tsp of the tincture into them, mixed with a little water.  Their

eyes bulge, steam comes out of their ears and sweat, they do!  End of cold.

The cayenne certainly potentiates the other herbs.



BTW - my wife constantly complained of cold feet/hands.  Gave her some of

this - she no longer complains - it is unknown if this was really helpful

or she's learned not to complain.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:08:05 -0800

--------

>Cayenne tincture is really for mixing with other tinctures rather than

>taking alone.  A few drops in a tincture bottle will potentiate the other

>ingredients, getting it past the mucous membranes and into the

>bloodstream faster.  It also apparently allows the herb to remain in the

>blood longer before being neutralized by the liver.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>****************************************





Cayenne is also good for digestion... one drop on the tongue causes

hydrochloric acid to start pumping in the stomach.  So, if you eat a meal

that you know you aren't going to digest well (we all know better, yet we

do it anyway!), take one drop.



Oral cayenne has been known to stop heart attacks and internal bleeding.

Cayenne applied topically will stop bleeding.  I've done this with powdered

cayenne, but I don't know how a glycerite would work.  It would be worth a

try.



However, if the cayenne is so hot that it sends you into convulsions, well,

maybe it's counter-productive?  As Tera said, save it for those who boast

that nothing is too hot!  ;^)  But from my study, hotter isn't necessarily

better!



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 07:15:49 -0800

--------

>>Cayenne tincture is really for mixing with other tinctures rather than

>Just an extra tidbit.  I made a tincture out of Dr. Christopher's

>Composition Powder.

>Have some friends that refuse to respond to any diaphoretics when they feel

>a cold coming on.

>They also refuse to take an infusion of the Composition Powder (don't blame

>them, that's a lot of fiery water to consume all at once).  But, I manage

>to get a tsp of the tincture into them, mixed with a little water.  Their

>eyes bulge, steam comes out of their ears and sweat, they do!  End of cold.

>The cayenne certainly potentiates the other herbs.

>

>BTW - my wife constantly complained of cold feet/hands.  Gave her some of

>this - she no longer complains - it is unknown if this was really helpful

>or she's learned not to complain.





LOL!  Oh Tom!  Don't you feel sorry for the families of herbalists?  We

experiment on them first and they suffer (then heal) with all our

ministrations.  In the meantime, they may learn to not tell us when they

don't feel good.  After all, those drugstore medications usually taste

better than what we come up with!



I have also found that an infusion of Dr. C's Composition Powder is

difficult to take.  I'll go make mine into a tincture!  Thanks for the tip!



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 19:58:32 -0900

--------

A



>

>

>LOL!  Oh Tom!  Don't you feel sorry for the families of herbalists?  We

>experiment on them first and they suffer (then heal) with all our

>ministrations.  In the meantime, they may learn to not tell us when they

>don't feel good.  After all, those drugstore medications usually taste

>better than what we come up with!

>

>I have also found that an infusion of Dr. C's Composition Powder is

>difficult to take.  I'll go make mine into a tincture!  Thanks for the tip!

>

>Rusty

>

Yeah, but our children are less likely to fake illness to get out of school!

My kids have a big joke going on that Mom's delighted when somebody gets

sick because she can try out her latest concoction.

As to Composition Powder, it's great stuff.  I even enjoy it sometimes when

I feel a cold coming on or if I've been out in the elements getting frost

bitten.

Nothing like it.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: CooneySand <CooneySand@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:12:35 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-10 09:53:25 EST, you write:



<< BTW - my wife constantly complained of cold feet/hands.  Gave her some of

 this - she no longer complains - it is unknown if this was really helpful

 or she's learned not to complain. >>



Have you ever heard her speak since that time?  You may have "fried" her vocal

chords!  LOL



Sandy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:45:45 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-10 05:26:49 EST, you write:



> I heartily recommend its use to shut up those fools who insist on "they

>  ain't n'er had sompthin' so's strong they couldn't drink a gallon o' it".

>

>  <giggling hysterically>

>

>  Sell me some so's I can shut up my husband. (egads I get tired of hearing

>  "You call this HOT"?!!!).



Tera,

first the giggling is contagious - even on-line - second,



If you are to do this RIGHT, don't go with the "standard" 40 or 60 mhu stuff -

go for some african bird pepper at 120+ mhu and when you tincture it use grain

and let it sit 10 weeks - if you are doing a pint - fil the a quart a quarter

full of the powdered herb and add the grain on top of it -cap it tightly and

put it where it is warm and shake it a couple of times a day - each time

saying to yorself quietly "so, Sweetie, you want't hot - just a little while

longer - The ritual should be most uplifting and the anticipation of "the

event" should have you grinning most of the time after the first 30 days.

Every so often - just to get an idea of the "effect" open the bottle carefully

without shaking it - before you start your ritual and just touch your little

finger into the pure tincture and put it to your tongue.  - imagine what a

teaspoon of this will do -

if you cant't find the fixins locally get back to me off-list.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:48:23 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-10 09:50:23 EST, you write:



>  made a cayenne glycerite, so strong one drop left my mouth 'afire'- I can

>  >feel it all the way to my ears...wowsee.

>  >What would you-all use this for?

>

>  Cats in heat or ants?



NOT NICE - Laughing like an idiot here almost unable to type - but not nice to

do this to a poor little cat in the midst of a "call of the wild".

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:51:38 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-10 10:09:34 EST, you write:



> I made a tincture out of Dr. Christopher's

>  Composition Powder.

Tom,



for those on the list that don't have a clue about some of these compounds,

but would like to, so they can begin "their" journey or move a little further

along the path, it would be nice to have the ingredients posted - just a

thought

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 07:53:03 -0700

--------

>Yeah, but our children are less likely to fake illness to get out of

school!

>My kids have a big joke going on that Mom's delighted when somebody gets

>sick because she can try out her latest concoction.

Agreed.  I always try new formulas on other people, first.  Working on the

theory that there are many of them, but only one of me.  If they survive, I

<may> try it.  If I lose some along the way, oh well!  Only exception to

this was trying Dragon Bones.  When I first got some I smelled it and

realized that I would be the only person taking it.  Put some in a tincture

which I mistakenly gave to my wife - boy, did I hear about that!



I guess when my bones are a million years old they won't be very tasty,

either.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:27:11 -0700

--------

>for those on the list that don't have a clue about some of these

compounds,

>but would like to, so they can begin "their" journey or move a little

further

>along the path, it would be nice to have the ingredients posted - just a

>thought

And, a good thought it is - I was amazed at the number of private e-mail

requests I had waiting for me this a.m. requesting the formula (I've

learned that one never knows when something will tickle the fancy of

others).  In my house, Composition Powder has been renamed "Kick Butt" by

those who take it (a-kick'n-n-a-screamin' all the way).



Here's a nice blurb on it, complete with formula:



               A favorite old-time North American remedy used by the 19th

                      century Thompsonian and Eclectic herb doctors is

called Composition

                      Powder. This was evidently a favorite of Dr. Nowell,

who was one of

                      the major teachers of the late herbalist belovedly

known as Dr.

                      Christopher. Dr. Nowell's formula for Composition

Powder is as

                      follows:



                       Powder of bayberry bark (myrica cer.)

                                                        4 ounces

                       Powder of ginger (zingiberis)

                                                        2 ounces

                       Powder of white pine bark (pinus canad.)

                                                        1 ounce

                       Powder of cloves (caryophylum)

                                                        1 teaspoon

                       Powder of cayenne pepper (capsicum)

                                                        1 teaspoon





                      The ingredients are mixed and sifted. The dose is one

                      teaspoonful steeped in a cup of hot or boiling water

sweetened with

                      raw brownsugar or honey. Cover and allow it to stand

until cool

                      enough to drinkthe clear liquid, leaving the powder.



                      Evidently upper respiratory complaints were at least

as prevalent

                      in the 19th and early 20th centuries. It was Dr.

Nowell's most

                      commonly prescribed herbal formula. He states: "We

have made and

                      used Composition Powder for over forty years --- we

regularly mixed

                      it in batches of sixty pounds -- As a remedy in

colds, beginning of

                      fevers,flu, hoarseness, sluggish circulation, colic

cramps, etc. we

                      believe it has done more good than any other single

preparation ever

                      known to man --- If this compound were kept in every

home, and

                      used as the occasion arose, there would be far less

sickness. Give it

                      freely in your practice and your patient will bless

you."



My own personal experience with this formula proves that that last sentence

 is a blatant lie.

I have to find anyone that blessed me for giving it to them.  Quite the

reverse, actually.

But, it IS very effective.  Also, apologies for calling it "Dr.

Christoper's" formula.

It's not (as can be seen in the article), however I do believe it is

commonly referred

to as just that - people have learned to trust anything created by Dr.

Christopher.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:47:14 -0900

--------

 Give it freely in your practice and your patient will bless

>you."

>

>My own personal experience with this formula proves that that last sentence

> is a blatant lie.

That depends on what you refer to as a "blessing".  There's blessings and

there's Blessings.  How about the Irish type?  I've had a few blessings

bestowed upon me that I'd rather not have had.

At any rate, Composition compound is WONDERFULLY effective.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Red Clover

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 22:55:22 -0500

--------

One bit of advice for Red Clover (okay, two).  If it isn't purple, it

isn't ready to pick- or wasn't picked at the right time.  White doesn't

count.  And when you pick it, let it dry 3 times as long as you think it

needs, or it can mold on you.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: Red Clover

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 14:04:02 -0600

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Several of my herb sources carry both red clover blossoms and whole herb (

blosooms with stem and leaf).  I have been taught to use the flowers.

Anyone have a comment on the usefulness of the green parts?

KB



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Swedish Bitters

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 19:07:19 -0900

--------

At 07:07 AM 3/9/98 -0800, you wrote:

>>At 05:49 PM 3/4/98 EST, you wrote:

>>>Please explain swedish bitters to me, 

>>For example:

>>Digestive GRAPE BITTERS

>>Grape juice, Gentian, Goldenseal, Angelica, Magnolia bark, Dill,

>>Astragalus, Yerba santa, Juniper berry, Cardamom, Sarsaparilla, Pau darco,

>>Yarrow, Atractylodes, Ginger root, Galangal, Coriander & Orange peel

>>extracted in 40% grain alcohol and purified water.

>>

>>There are also Bitters formulas for female problems, bowels, etc.

>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>>Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>

>I like this recipe, Anita, but where does the grape juice come in?  Do you

>extract the herbs in the 40% alcohol and after straining, add it to grape

>juice to drink?  If so, how much of the extraction to how much juice?

>

>Rusty

>

>

Yup, dosage depends on the person being dosed.  An adult dose is most

likely 1-2 Tbsp of the tincture in Grape Juice.  Youth doses would be

appropriately reduced for example, using teaspoons instead of Tablespoons.

I'd not use MORE than half cup of juice because it is so sugary.  I'd also

suggest using fresh grape juice or unsweetened concentrate.  Too much juice

can cause the very problems you're trying to avoid.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rebuilding Tooth Enamel/some fact, some theory

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:41:24 -0500

--------

Well (to divulge a bit about myself here), about 10 years ago the plant

spirits that were talking to me at the time told me that Horsetail Herb (the

very young silica rich plants that grew profusely in the lowlands around

me-I can look up the species that I used if anyone thinks that it is

important) could be used to rebuild my teeth.



Since that time I have heard that others have been doing this, and

apparently successfully.  I have heard that horsetail (Equisetum species) is

usually mixed with nettles, with its rich iron-mineral content, to

accomplish this.  In India it has been used (apparently) successfully to

rebuild the tooth enamel and to fill in holes in the jaw that were left when

teeth were pulled.  I heard Susun Weed mention the same formula, and David

Winston mentioned a formula that included these 2 herbs as well as 2 others.

My post asked if anyone else knew what these 2 other herbs were.



I have been prescribed homeopathic horsetail to be taken at the first twinge

of tooth pain.  There is an affinity.  Louis Kervran  wrote a book in which

he theorized that  the silica in horsetail transmutes itself to calcium in

the body.  Current thought (and research, I assume) has altered this to the

view that silica FACILITATES calcium absorption by the body (teeth, bones,

outer hide).



All this being said, I cannot say for sure what it would do for any specific

person.  I just know that I have an affinity, and need for this mixture.



I am not really sure of the best vehicle for this, though.  Tea? Probably.

Vinegar?  Sounds good, a nettles and horsetail rich brew, unless the acidity

is countereffective  on the teeth.  I need to do more experimentation.

Alcohol?  Don't think that the minerals would dissolve well, and doesn't

appeal to me.  Glycerin?  Beats me.  Honey?  Well, a nettles rich m\honey

mix is my favorite mineral supplement, but I am not sure about horsetail...



Horsetail, though, needs to be harvested when very young. April-May in NH,

under 6 inches the best.  I am not so sure about the quality of many

commercial horsetail herb sources.  The volume is so much larger if

harvested a month later, but at that time the silica hardens up, and is not

likely to be useful.



And, I am still looking for the other two herb's identity.  Alfalfa?

Joanie



(Jill wrote)



>I missed Joanie's original post re: tooth-enamel rebuilding, but I have

>a question. As a child I was given tetrocyclene which ruined my

>permanent teeth which were developing. They are brownish and my mom

>explained to me that I don't have all the enamel on my teeth that I

>should. I don't know if that is correct or not...but if it is...is there

>a way to "grow it" and thereby have white pearlies? My teeth are nicely

>shaped and sized, just dark.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rebuilding Tooth Enamel/some fact, some theory

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 06:56:00 -0800

--------

>Well (to divulge a bit about myself here), about 10 years ago the plant

>spirits that were talking to me at the time told me that Horsetail Herb

>(snip some explanation)

>I am not really sure of the best vehicle for this, though.  Tea? Probably.

>Vinegar?  Sounds good, a nettles and horsetail rich brew, unless the acidity

>is countereffective  on the teeth.  I need to do more experimentation.

>Alcohol?  Don't think that the minerals would dissolve well, and doesn't

>appeal to me.  Glycerin?  Beats me.  Honey?  Well, a nettles rich m\honey

>mix is my favorite mineral supplement, but I am not sure about horsetail...

>

>Horsetail, though, needs to be harvested when very young. April-May in NH,

>under 6 inches the best.  I am not so sure about the quality of many

>commercial horsetail herb sources.  The volume is so much larger if

>harvested a month later, but at that time the silica hardens up, and is not

>likely to be useful.

>

>And, I am still looking for the other two herb's identity.  Alfalfa?

>Joanie





I don't know to what formula you are referring, because I just recently

signed back onto the Herb List.  However, here is Dr. Christopher's calcium

formula, and some who have taken it have reported that fillings have

actually fallen out because their tooth enamel grew back in.  I use this on

my boys for strong teeth and bones.  (When I make up some more, I am going

to start taking it to prevent osteoporosous.)



6 parts Horsetail (Equisetum hyemale - or equivalent growing in your area)

3 parts Oat straw (Avena sativa)

4 parts Comfrey root (Symphytum officinale) - I have switched to leaves, myself

1 part  Lobelia (Lobelia inflata)



I think that nettles would be a wonderful addition for its mineral content.

Alfalfa is also high in minerals, but I recently read something (I'm not

sure where, but I need to find it) about long term use of alfalfa being a

problem.  That needs some more research as to what and why alfalfa might be

a problem.  This formula can be taken in capsules, but is best taken as a

tea (hot infusion).  Use 1 tsp. of the mixture to 1 cup of boiled distilled

water.  Let it steep until cool enough to drink.



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rebuilding Tooth Enamel/some fact, some theory

From: Mark Gold <mgold@TIAC.NET>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 10:45:10 -0500

--------

>Date:         Tue, 10 Mar 1998 00:41:24 -0500

>From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

>Subject:      Re: Rebuilding Tooth Enamel/some fact, some theory

>To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

>....

>accomplish this.  In India it has been used (apparently) successfully to

>rebuild the tooth enamel and to fill in holes in the jaw that were left when

>teeth were pulled.  I heard Susun Weed mention the same formula, and David

>Winston mentioned a formula that included these 2 herbs as well as 2 others.

>My post asked if anyone else knew what these 2 other herbs were.



Joanie,



Very interesting post.  I was about to undertake a search for a

formula for repair cavitations (holes left from pulled teeth).

I would be interested in more information about the formual and

how it is used for the reasons presented below.



There has been some very enlightening research during the last few

years about the widespread problem of hidden infections from root

canals and cavitations from pulled teeth can contribute

significantly to systemic disease. The local condition caused by

cavitations is known as NICO (Neuralgia-Inducing Cavitational

Osteonecrosis). Osteonecrosis is bone death caused by the highly

toxic bacteria in the cavitations. Some of the research is being

led by Univ. of Kentucky researchers (e.g., Dr. Boyd Haley). This

research confirms some of the dangers seen by Dr. Weston Price

many decades ago.



This issue of hidden infections from root canals and cavitations has

been discussed on a number of internet groups because many people are

affected by this problem.  The questions involve how to diagnosis unhealed

cavitations and problems from root canals, and how to solve those

problems.



Until recently persons trying to figure out if they had

problems from cavitations could be diagnosis with medical techniques

using Technitium-99 MDP Radioisotope bone scans or SPECT scans which

were only accurate 70-75% of the time.  Some holistic dentists used

kinesiology-like techniques.  I new ultrasound device (the Cavitat)

is said to be nearly 100% accurate in finding cavitations and it

should available for dentists this month (hopefully).



Healing cavitations have been a bigger difficulty. They are generally

treated with surgery ("by curettage via larger cortical windows" --

whatever the heck that means). However, indications seem to be that

this is only a temporary solution in some or possibly many cases and

that the cavitation still does not heal properly and problems

return.  There is also another issue brought up on the AMALGAM list

recently that researchers in Germany believe that mercury from

amalgam fillings which has migrated into the gums and jaw area

can prevent the cavitations from healing properly.



Anyway, it would be nice to get a herbal solution to these problems.

I know that when my holistic dentist pulled a wisdom tooth, he had me

put a gauze with cayenne on it. But I would be very interested in

finding out more about the exact formula used in India and exactly

how it is applied in various situations.  Any help would be greatly

appreciated.  Do you know if it is discussed in any of Susan Weed's

books?  If you have any contact names in India I would be interested

in that as well.



Thanks for any assistance.



Best Wishes,

                             - Mark

                          mgold@tiac.net

                    http://www.HolisticMed.com/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rebuilding Tooth Enamel/some fact, some theory

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 22:54:02 -0500

--------

You wrote;

" I heard Susun Weed mention the same formula, and David

Winston mentioned a formula that included these 2 herbs as well as 2

others.

My post asked if anyone else knew what these 2 other herbs were."



David Winston gave a formula of 2 parts horsetail, 1 part nettles and 1

part alfalfa, which he administers in pill form.  He has seen extensive

remineralization with before and after xrays.  Susun Weed adds oatstraw

and she gives it in the form of alternating simple overnight infusions at

1 oz. herb to 1 quart water.  David Winston believes that insufficient

minerals come out in an infusion- that it takes 36 hours by which time

the bacterial growth is too extensive for safety.  A way around this

would be to boil the horsetail and oatstraw for a half hour before

leaving them overnight- the alfalfa and nettles require less time.



Tinctures have virtually no minerals unless spagyrically processed with

the marc ashes, which almost no manufacturers do.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rebuilding Tooth Enamel/some fact, some theory

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 23:27:25 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-10 00:45:18 EST, Joanie wrote:



> And, I am still looking for the other two herb's identity.  Alfalfa?



Joanie,



Alfalfa would definitely be one - the other I am not sure of but oatstraw is

the one that comes to mind as being another with lots of silica in it and is a

system strengthening tonic as well.  If you are looking for something

"immediately after" a tooth extraction adding feverfew to the mix as well

would help to keep the swelling down  - hope this helps.

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rebuilding Tooth Enamel/some fact, some theory

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:41:06 -0500

--------

I got the information from David Winston in a workshop last Sunday and

from Susun Weed last year.



Winston's company, Herbalists and Alchemists, is the only one that I know

of that makes tinctures this way.  When the tincture is pressed out, they

burn the herb at a specially designated temperature until it turns into

white ash.  Then they reinfuse the tincture with the ash.  It is

apparently not an easy process.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

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See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:57:12 -0500 macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM> writes:

>Oh, Karen, thank you-this is exactly what I was looking for.  Did you

get

>this information directly from them, in classes that they have held (as

I

>originally had), or is it available in other forms (books or whatever)?

>

>And I have no idea what 'spagyrically processed with

>>the marc ashes' means.  Could you explain, or point me toward a

>reference?



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herb Course For Children

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 09:45:21 -0700

--------

Have noodled on this a bit, discovered that I made an omission in my

original reply.

This is a perfect time to teach a bit of Spirituality to young'ns.  As

David Hoffman says:

"Spiritualism comes in many hues".  He further adds that if Heavy-Metal

music relaxes you, do it!  That's ok

just don't do it in my house.  Many times spiritualism is confused with

organized religion - nothing against religion, just that spiritualism is

much more than that.



Here's two things that I do with them that teaches respect for this small

planet that we live on and all that inhabit it.



- Native American ceremony:



  I show them how I draw upon a Native American custom of sprinkling a

small amount of cornmeal around a plant when I harvest leaves/flowers from

it.  A way of giving honor to it and Mother Earth for giving up part of it

for myself and those that I give it to.  If I harvest the entire plant for

its roots, I always have another plant to put in its place, including bone

& blood meal and a generous helping of cornmeal - to honor the plant that

has just given up its life for mankind and to help establish the new plant.



To go along with this, I chant a simple Native American song, which can be

sung as a round - this makes it very interesting to children.  I can't give

the tune, but here's the words:

"Mother, I feel you under my feet;

  Mother, I feel your heart beat;

   Hi yah, Hi yah, Hi yah, Hi yah  Hi yah, Hi yah, HO!

    Hi yah, Hi yah, Hi yah, Hi ya, Hi yah, Hi yah, Hi yah HO!

Mother, I feel you under my feet;

(etc)



- Meditation:



One of the most beautiful Yogist meditation ceremonies is Sun Salutation.

(I meant to send this suggestion to the person looking to strengthen vocal

chords)

Done at sunrise, a great way to start the day, and gently stretch all the

kinks out of your body.

Plus, it teaches the children a bit about those strange sounding things

known as 'Chakras'.

Also gives some insights into three major religions, including 'sounding'

the Aramaic name of God which can only help to strengthen the vocal chords.

And, of course, giving honor to Mother Earth and Father Sky.



For herbology, I may be primarily vested in Traditional Chinese, but I'm

shameless when it comes to utilizing all of the tools from the various

modalities for my spiritual work.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: follow up on echinacea for snakebite from Herbal History Trivia 5

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:33:33 EST

--------

>Around 1885, Meyers wrote to the famous eclectic physician Dr. King and

>pharmacist John Uri Lloyd, sending them a sample of his preparation and

invited >them to market it. King wrote back that he wouldn't consider trying

or marketing the >product without knowing all the ingredients. After reading

all the claims made on the >product label, Lloyd was convinced Meyers was a

quack and a fraud. But Meyers >was persistent and offered to have a

rattlesnake bite him so that King and Lloyd >could watch the results of the

echinacea antidote take effect.

>

>Ellingwood relates an experiment perfomed on Meyers himself as follows: "With

the >courage of his convictions upon him, he injected the venom of the

crotalus >(rattlesnake) into the first finger of his left hand; the swelling

was rapid and in six >hours was up to the elbow. At this time he took a dose

of the remedy, bathed the >part thoroughly, and laid down to pleasant dreams.

On awakening in four hours, the >pain and swelling were gone." (Ellingwood,

1919)  Ellingwood also cited a case of >tarantula bite in which echinacea

removed all trace of the poison (Bergner, 1997).

>

>Rattlesnake venom has potent hyaluronidase activity which disrupts the

hyaluronic >acid gel-like system within the connective tissue that holds

everything together. The >polysaccharide constituents in echinacea inhibit

hyaluronidase (Wagner and >Proksch, 1981). Of interest is that the current

recommended antidote for snakebite >is Crotalidae Polyvalent Antivenin, a kit

made by Wyeth at an average wholesale >cost of $199. It has been recommened

that this kit be stocked by all hospital >emergency departments. Our

healthcare system can save over a $1 million dollars >if echinacea were

stocked instead.



For those who followed the Herbal HistoryTrivia Game 5, which is repeated

here, I would like to followup with an idea:



Right now, the story by Dr. Meyers is little known by allopaths and even if it

was known it wouldn't be believed. It would be seen as "just a story". I would

like to duplicate Dr. Meyers' experiment and write it up and submit it to one

of the well known medical journals.



If this were done, I believe it may stimulate further study on echinacea in

this country. It will definitely bring attention to the Eclectic physicians

and what they stood for and also lend credibility to these men who set the

stage here for today's herbalist movement.



Would anyone like to volunteer?? If not, I'll probably do it myself but I my

plate is full now and will be even more consumed with the details of writing

this experiment up. There may be some logistical problems if someone

volunteers in another area, so I may have to do it myself but I thought I'd

request help anyway.



Also, does anyone know of an expert in rattlesnakes who can supply venom??





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: follow up on echinacea for snakebite from Herbal History

              Trivia 5

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:20:56 -0700

--------

>To do what , exactly, Elliot?  To get bit by a rattlesnake (or maybe

>tarantula) and follow it up with Echinacea (and of what species and

>preparation?) ?  Or to do the injection thing?



While we have a lot of rattlesnakes here in Az., they seem to respect my no

tresspassing sign

(thank goodness).  If there's anyone on here from Prescott or Sedona,

mayhaps they could share experiences on treatments of tarantula bites (lots

of them up there).  Need to ask my indian friend if echinacea also good for

scorpion stings.



>(I am good with details, though-can volunteer help here).  Yes, if you are

>bitten on the finger, and your Echinacea isn't potent or fresh enough,

>writing up the details might be a little difficult..



Plan ahead, inject yourself in the other hand?



>Also, does anyone know of an expert in rattlesnakes who can supply venom??

Try contacting someone in Wickiup, Az. - rattlesnake capital of the world.

They have yearly round-ups, probably can supply large amounts of venom.

(sorry - we pass by there on the way to Vegas, but lock our doors and roll

up the windows, shudder)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: follow up on echinacea for snakebite from Herbal History

              Trivia 5

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:19:46 EST

--------

Elliot,



     You may want to try Kathy and Bill Lowe owners of Glades Herp,

in North Fort Myers, Florida or Bill Haast he ran the Miami Serpentarium from

47-85 in Miami Florida. They may be able to connect you to someone who can

help you with venom if they can't.



       Laura Pribil







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: more on herbs for snakebite

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:51:11 EST

--------

I would appreciate any personal case reports on the use of echinacea or any

other herb for the treatment of rattlesnake bite ...or references for case

reports that are well described in the literature.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: more on herbs for snakebite

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 06:51:38 -0800

--------

>I would appreciate any personal case reports on the use of echinacea or any

>other herb for the treatment of rattlesnake bite ...or references for case

>reports that are well described in the literature.

>

>

>Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

>Midwest Shared Newsletter

>Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



David Christopher talks about using echinacea for rattlesnake bites... I

have no personal experience with it, yet (and hope I never do!).  But, he

says that after using the snake bite kit (with the little suction devise),

open a new 1 oz. bottle of echinacea tincture, put some on the snake bite

(to stop the deteriation of the flesh), and drink the rest of the bottle of

tincture down.  He also says that you should take some herbs or formulas to

move the bowels and protect and help the liver, since the liver will have

to deal with the poisons to get them out of the system and they will be

sent thru the bowels.



Apparently, there used to be a man that traveled around the West selling

snake bite cure - he'd let rattlers bite him and drink down his cure.  He

would be fine.  The snake bite cure was mostly echinacea.  It is an old

Native American cure for snake bites, also.



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Allergies

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 12:13:34 -0700

--------

Perhaps some of you more experienced 'herbies' could give me some guidance?



I have this client (there are days when I wish I didn't) that is allergic

to anything and everything, including any of the classic stuff I've given

her.  Plus, she goes to various stores and ingests everything & anything

without telling me (I hear about it after she gets herself into trouble).

As a registered nurse she should know better, but.......  She called me

last night wanting to know if I could get her a pound of chaparral.  Seems

as though she loves the taste of it and has been putting a tablespoon of it

on her cereal everyday (!HOLY MOLY!).  I'm afraid to show her how profusely

it grows in our SW desert - she'd probably devour a whole bush in one

sitting.  Most people despise the taste of it.  Her posit is that because

it's such a good 'blood purifier' it will probably cure her allergies.

Yeah, right.



What would you do with her?  (can I ship her to you - you'll be sooo

impressed).







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Encouraging Pregnancy.....

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:40:23 -0500

--------

My daughter-in-law (An MD) phoned tonite to see if I'd learned anything

about tea drinking (camellia chinensis) or sassafras (s. albidum)  that

might encourage conception.  She is a family practitioner who has many

young women patients.



She also has an elderly Chinese woman patient who insists that drinking

sassafras tea aids fertility in women.  She has no further information.



I told her that Penelope Ody limits pregnant women to 2 cups a day of

camellia chinensis tea; and that liver toxicity of sassafras had been

debated back and forth on the list, but the only herb book I have that

deals with sassafras is John Lust's THE HERB BOOK which merely mentions it

as a spring tonic.  And that sums up all we know.



Any other info out there?  Might help a lotta ladies.



Best, Anita





--



paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Encouraging Pregnancy.....

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 08:13:43 EST

--------

Anita,



    I have also read about sassafras in my Peterson's Medicinal Plants Field

Guide. James Duke is a co-author.  In it, it states  "that Safrole,

found in Sassafras oil, reportedly is carcinogenic.  Yet the safrole in a

12-ounce can of old fashioned root beer is not as carcinogenic as the

alcohol (ethanol) in a can of beer." In the Encyclopedia Of Medicinal Plants,

by Andrew Chevallier he recommends Agnus Castus(Vitex agnus-castus) for aiding

conception.  Says to take 20-40 drops of tincture  with water each morning for

3 months max at a time. Also,

recommends Chinese Angelica(Angelica sinensis)  Make a decoction

using 12g of root to 750ml of water and drink each day for up to 3 months and

discontinue as soon as the person becomes pregnant.

I hope this helps, I am in no way claiming to be an expert, I just remembered

reading on this subject and I went and referenced it for you. All the

information is in the above mentioned texts. I should also mention that

sassafras was not mentioned as an aid in conception in any of the books I

read. I am new to this list, so I hope this works for someone after they

research it further.



   Laura Pribil

Herbldy11@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Encouraging Pregnancy.....

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 07:41:20 -0700

--------

>sassafras was not mentioned as an aid in conception in any of the books I

>read. I am new to this list, so I hope this works for someone after they

>research it further.

Also, check out False Unicorn Root.  My very first herbal instructor had an

interesting saying about this one: "don't use it unless you planned to get

pregnant anyway".



Safe for men (duh).







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: scaly skin

From: Bo <bodacia@TDL.COM>

Date: Tue, 10 Mar 1998 21:46:19 -0800

--------

I have a patch of really rough, calloused, scaly skin (about the size of a

half-dollar coin) on one knee.  Over the years, I've tried lots of

different treatments for it--everything from rich lotions to exfoliant

scrubs to that castor oil/baking soda combo someone on this list

recommended for dry skin awhile back.  I've also tried rubbing the area

with pumice, but that just causes the skin to break open and bleed.  My

dermatologist, of course, recommends hydrocortisone cream; but even that

doesn't work!  Does anyone have any suggestions--either herbal or

dietary--for getting rid of this condition?  Thanks. :)







-Bo

-------------------------------------------------------------------

bodacia@tdl.com

http://www.tdl.com/~bodacia







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scaly skin

From: CooneySand <CooneySand@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:24:38 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-11 04:18:54 EST, you write:



<<  My

 dermatologist, of course, recommends hydrocortisone cream; but even that

 doesn't work!  Does anyone have any suggestions--either herbal or

 dietary--for getting rid of this condition?  Thanks. :) >>



Try Tea Tree Oil....I use it on my "cradle cap"...



Sandy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scaly skin

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:19:23 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-11 04:18:54 EST, you write:



<<  have a patch of really rough, calloused, scaly skin >>

     When my skin gets like this I puncture a Viit E capsule and apply it

several times a day.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: scaly skin

From: Harper P <HarperP@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 10:18:21 EST

--------

>I have a patch of really rough, calloused, scaly skin (about the size of a

>half-dollar coin) on one knee.



If the patch is a callous, examine your physical habits, i.e. : do you kneel

often? does your knee rub the desk while you sit at the computer? do your

jeans have a seam at that spot? If you find a cause, eliminate or change it.



If it is not a callous, a diagnosis would be helpful. Did your doctor say what

it might be? It could be a fungal infection, but a dermatologist would

probably have figured that out.



Good luck!



Patricia

harperp@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: allergies

From: Dick &Lucinda Jenkins <jenkins@GLENBROOKFARM.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 06:00:22 -0800

--------

Tom,

  I am also a nurse and for some reason nurses tend to be allergic to just

about everything.

I think that it has to do with inhaling drug dust from about 150 different

drugs, day in and day out.

This is not fact, it is just my observation.  Some people have a mind set

of "oh I'm so allergic

to this and that," and wear it like a badge of honor.  again my

observation.  You just might have

your hands full with this one

Lucinda

Glenbrook Farms







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 08:10:21 -0700

--------

>  I am also a nurse and for some reason nurses tend to be allergic to just

>about everything.

>I think that it has to do with inhaling drug dust from about 150 different

>drugs, day in and day out.

>This is not fact, it is just my observation.  Some people have a mind set

>of "oh I'm so allergic to this and that," and wear it like a badge of

honor.  again my

>observation.



Hmmm, this is a strong possibility.  I know that her mother, also an RN, is

also allergic to a huge number of things.  As are many of my other RN

clients.  Just really never thought of it that way.  Thanks for the input.



>You just might have your hands full with this one



Yeah - she's a piece of work.  Her SO is bi-polar, she had me make up a

formula for him.  He did very well on it.  Then, she came back for more - I

thought the time frame was a bit short.  Turns out she took some and liked

it so much that they shared the bag of herbs.

I repeated that she really should have told me earlier - she responded with

"give me the formula, I'll make my own".  Oh, well.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: "charlenej.hmc" <charlenej.hmc@INTERNETMCI.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:30:41 -0500

--------

I have been looking into this a lot myself - I have become allergic to so

much - just recently (4 years and I am 43).  One theory is the over

exposure to toxins, eventually our system becomes overwhelmed an can no

longer filter everything.  Too many chemicals in our food and environment.

I have gone completely organic (well 95% at least), avoid places where I

might be exposed to stuff.  I'm much better with the allergies now.  Though

its avoidance - not treatment!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: Scott and/or Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:35:22 +0000

--------

At 02:30 PM 3/11/98 -0500, charlenej.hmc wrote:

>I have been looking into this a lot myself - I have become allergic to so

>much - just recently (4 years and I am 43).  One theory is the over

>exposure to toxins, eventually our system becomes overwhelmed an can no

>longer filter everything.  Too many chemicals in our food and environment.

>I have gone completely organic (well 95% at least), avoid places where I

>might be exposed to stuff.  I'm much better with the allergies now.  Though

>its avoidance - not treatment!



Charlene makes an excellent point, and, in my opinion, understates many of

the concerns which some of us recognize.  In preface, I should mention that

I am a grower of "organic herbs and veggies" but I have some real issues

with labeling of any kind.  The issue really isn't "organic," in part

because we can't really seem to agree on what "Organic" means, and, in

part, because, as Charlene suggests, our environment ... (the entire

planet) has been subjected to innumerable synthetic (i.e. artificial)

compounds which are of a very persistent nature and of unknown (or at least

unappreciated) long-term effect.  The best we can do these days is to

promise ourselves and our customers that we will raise our foods in as

"natural" a way as possible and refrain from utilizing any additives which

we, ourselves, cannot generate from a similar approach to stewardship from

other sources.  Many "certifying agencies" require "organic" stewardship

for between 3 and 7 yrs.  The half life of many commonly-used synthetic

pesticides and fertilizer components is in the Decades... "organic" in

three years???  I not thinking so... but we do the best we can without the

chemistry sets.



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net



Please feel free to visit us at our "Homes on the Web"....



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: Robin Worley <quarry-kid@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 00:04:52 -0600

--------

On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:30:41 -0500 "charlenej.hmc"

<charlenej.hmc@INTERNETMCI.COM> writes:

>I have been looking into this a lot myself - I have become allergic to

>so

>much - just recently (4 years and I am 43).  One theory is the over

>exposure to toxins, eventually our system becomes overwhelmed an can

>no

>longer filter everything.  Too many chemicals in our food and

>environment.

>I have gone completely organic (well 95% at least), avoid places where

>I

>might be exposed to stuff.  I'm much better with the allergies now.

>Though

>its avoidance - not treatment!

>





If your allergic to everything, how do you avoid everything?



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: allergies

From: Maeflower <maeflower@SOFTHOME.NET>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 10:00:58 -0800

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I am also a newbie to this group.  I am currently trying the Pao D'Arco treatment for the feminin problems.  I have noticed an improvement overnight.  But, I have another problem.  I am alergic to cashews, walnuts (mildly), tuna fish (but no other fish), egg yolks (in concentrate), too much milk, too much beef, and honey.  I also like to claim green peppers, but I just don't like those.  Anyhow, I have narowed it down to a complex protien that I must be alergic to.  For the most part I just get a scratchy throat.  



I was wondering if anyone had any ideas that might make it easier to ingest honey eggs and milk.  I don't have a problem not eating the rest.  I was wondering wether or not if I ingest a little bit of honey each day, will that build up my tolerance to it?  If you have any suggestions, please let me know.



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: allergies

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:02:24 -0700

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>        Isn't the theory of allergy triggering foods, to lay off them for a period

of time

>( a month?) then reintroduce them slowly into your diet one by one, a little at

a

>time, to see which ones your body can handle in how much quantities?





Deeper than that.  A bland diet (East Indian dish known as Kicharee good for this)

is needed for that month to clear out the system.  Not a fun diet, to be sure - but,

neither is the allergies.



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Pregnant - Need help (May Offend)

From: Selah88 <Selah88@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:01:32 EST

--------

Hi, I really have learned a lot from you all over the last several months.  I

would appreciate your advice on the following situation.  Let me give you some

background first.



My girlfriend believes she is several weeks pregnant.  Already divorced and

being a single parent she would prefer not to have another child.  To

complicate the matter, she has a history of miscarrying in the first trimester

(three times) and the last pregnancy she had was a tubal that ruptured and she

almost died.  Needless to say she is very distressed.



What herb/herbs can she take to "naturally" miscarry this child?  And how do

you administer it i.e. amounts, etc.  I recently discovered pennyroyal but am

in unfamiliar ground here.  Also, the fact that she had a tubal pregnancy

before, would a herbal solution be out of the question?



Would appreciate whatever you have to say.  I know that this is very

sensitive.  Feel free to share whatever you like and I will pass it along to

her.  Please be constructive and supportive.



Thanks

Suzanne Ash

Selah88@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Pregnant - Need help (May Offend)

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:26:02 -0500

--------

Suzanne,



  I am not offended by the choice not to carry the baby....BUT with

your friend's medical history I think it would be dangerous and

irresponsible not to handle this with a phsycians guidance....please

reconsider the approach to this termination...and then come back to

us for help with herbal Birth Control<G>.



Bright Blessings

Linda



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnant - Need help (May Offend)

From: Mumbun <Mumbun@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 14:36:50 EST

--------

In a message dated 11/3/98 6:20:07 pm, you wrote:



<<

What herb/herbs can she take to "naturally" miscarry this child?  And how do

you administer it i.e. amounts, etc. >>



I'm sorry to hear your friend is having such troubles.   However, I don't

think using Pennyroyal to induce an abortion is advisable or safe.  Also, a

tubal pregancy is a life threatening condition and should be checked out by a

doctor.  I wouldn't mess with such a thing because if the tube bursts your

friend could hemorrhage to death.



Best of luck,

Amy



Amy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnant - Need help (May Offend)

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 11:54:16 -0900

--------

At 09:01 AM 3/11/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hi, I really have learned a lot from you all over the last several months.  I

>would appreciate your advice on the following situation.  Let me give you

some

>background first.

>

>My girlfriend believes she is several weeks pregnant.  Already divorced and

>being a single parent she would prefer not to have another child.  To

>complicate the matter, she has a history of miscarrying in the first

trimester

>(three times) and the last pregnancy she had was a tubal that ruptured and

she

>almost died.  Needless to say she is very distressed.

>

>What herb/herbs can she take to "naturally" miscarry this child?  And how do

>you administer it i.e. amounts, etc.  I recently discovered pennyroyal but am

>in unfamiliar ground here.

Rather than endanger your friend with questionable herbal treatments to end

the life of a human being that may also harm her. She need proper

counseling and professional treatment.

Have her see a GOOD obstetrician who can counsel her in her health and give

her options that would be REAL options.

This is nothing to mess around with.  You could stand to permanently harm

her health with this.

If she doesn't want another child, there's thousands out there who WOULD

take a child if they could get one.  Adoption is an option.

Please encourage your friend to seek proper medical treatment.  DON'T MESS

WITH HOMEBREW ABORTIONS!!!!

This is something adequately addressed in conventional medicine.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnant - Need help (May Offend)

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 17:48:38 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-11 16:26:39 EST, Anita wrote:



> Rather than endanger your friend with questionable herbal treatments to end

>  the life of a human being that may also harm her. She need proper

>  counseling and professional treatment.

>  Have her see a GOOD obstetrician who can counsel her in her health and give

>  her options that would be REAL options.

>  This is nothing to mess around with.  You could stand to permanently harm

>  her health with this.



For what should be obvious reasons, and regardless of what our opinions may

be, we won't respond to the issue of morality raised, but I will say that the

advice Anita gives relative to "questionable herbal treatments" is some of the

best advice given this year on this or any other list.   If you want to KILL

your girlfriend (Anita minces words sometimes) - listen to the flood of

suggestions you will get on- and off - list and take your pick.  See how much

info you can pick up at the book store section on herbs - study hard - CAll

MTV and see if they have any suggestions- then find a supplier for the herbs

(not here) - mix the stuff up - make the tea - and watch her bleed to death

while writhing in excruciating pain because you don't have a *&&%&*##@(*& clue

about what YOU ARE DOING!!!!!   -  and know that you have just had a hand in

the atrocity and will have to live with it for a lifetime - it that kind of

thing bothers you!!.



If you think that this is a bit too strong - sorry - its not strong enough!!

HERBS ARE MEDICINE - LET ME REPEAT - HERBS ARE DANGEROUS MEDICINE  if you

don't have a clue to begin with - and even  if you do they are still

dangerous-  they are not over the counter quick fixes to be abused

irresponsibly by someone who finds themselves in a predicament.



This is very definitely NOT something for the novice or student - there are

some herbalists that have been practitioners for years that would not even

consider proposing something unless they were THERE - to do a hands on  and

pick up the pieces when things start to go wrong.  I certainly will NOT even

point you in a direction even remotely close to where this information might

exist.



Trust me - this is one instance where you can count - with absolute certainty

- that something WILL go wrong if you atempt to do this by yourselves.  Take

just ten minutes and consider what is involved here - get a book on the

process of pregnancy and the very complicated physiology of the reproductive

system - pictures are a must - understand what is connected to what - and what

must happen if you are to do what it is that you want to do -  and after all

of that  - if you don't tell your girlfriend to see a GOOD OB/GYN like Anita

suggested - you should seek help for yourself - start with a doctor of

conscience.

with no apology for my apparent lack of compassion or the words written

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnant - Need help (May Offend)

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 20:28:37 -0500

--------

Herbal abortifacients are not terribly reliable and are often VERY

dangerous.  Women have died taking pennyroyal oil.  Several of the

purported methods may cause incomplete evacuations with septic results

and this could be deadly.  Others may harm the fetus without causing

abortion, resulting in a damaged child.  Herbs are better at supporting

natural processes than disrupting them and the potential consequences are

nothing you want on your conscience.



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnant - Need help (May Offend)

From: Marcia Elston <samara@WINGEDSEED.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 23:11:25 -0800

--------

At 09:01 AM 3/11/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hi, I really have learned a lot from you all over the last several months.  I

>would appreciate your advice on the following situation.  Let me give you

some

>background first.

>

>My girlfriend believes she is several weeks pregnant.  Already divorced and

>being a single parent she would prefer not to have another child.  To

>complicate the matter, she has a history of miscarrying in the first

trimester

>(three times) and the last pregnancy she had was a tubal that ruptured and

she

>almost died.  Needless to say she is very distressed.

>

>What herb/herbs can she take to "naturally" miscarry this child?  And how do

>you administer it i.e. amounts, etc.  I recently discovered pennyroyal but am

>in unfamiliar ground here.  Also, the fact that she had a tubal pregnancy

>before, would a herbal solution be out of the question?

>

>Would appreciate whatever you have to say.  I know that this is very

>sensitive.  Feel free to share whatever you like and I will pass it along to

>her.  Please be constructive and supportive.

>

>Thanks

>Suzanne Ash

>Selah88@aol.com



Hi Suzanne,



I am really behind on reading this list, let alone posting much anymore.

Hoping time constraints will ease up soon.  However, I couldn't help but

butt in here.  I know that many other good people will probably say much

the same thing, BUT this is a question you should NEVER expect an answer to

on a public forum or discussion group like this.  Any herbalist worth their

salt will tell you to seek the advice and help from a professional - in

person.  AND, Pennyroyal has even been discouraged for use with animals in

the recent past, let alone humans.  My support is for you to NOT advise

your friend, except to see a medical professional or competent alternative

medical professional who is licensed as such in your state.  Tubular

pregnancies can be fatal.  This is not to be trifled with, and you

certainly should not advise her with your own counsel, nor with anything

you glean from this list.



Be well,

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Herbs, Books, Diffusers, Distillation Equipment,  Gifts

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnant - Need help (May Offend)

From: OakCamp <OakCamp@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:19:43 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-12 10:44:31 EST, you write:



<<  My support is for you to NOT advise

 >your friend, except to see a medical professional or competent alternative

 >medical professional who is licensed as such in your state.  Tubular

 >pregnancies can be fatal.  This is not to be trifled with, and you

 >certainly should not advise her with your own counsel, nor with anything

 >you glean from this list. >>



Suzanne,



I wasn't going to comment on this, but the emphasis of the discussion seems to

be on the abortion part of this post and I want to address the emotional part

of it.



I had a tubal pregnancy and when I got pregnant the next time the FEAR of

having another tubal pregnancy was awful.  My pregnancy was wanted, but I

couldn't focus on the "yes" part of it because of this dread that it might be

tubal.  Your friend should ask her OB-GYN for a pregnancy test and then an

ultrasound to determine if she -is- having another tubal pregnancy.  Once the

unknown becomes the known she will be able to make some descisions- or it may

be a moot point because the doctors will take care of the tubal pregnancy

right away- you don't want to wait until this becomes another emergency.  Once

the *fear* of a tubal pregnancy is gone, she will be able to calm down and

think this through more rationally. My thoughts are with her, I hope

everything works out for her.



Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Co

Grower of Medicinal Herbs

OakCamp@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnant - Need help (May Offend)

From: Christina Paul <sekhmet@NETINS.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:32:25 -0600

--------

I have been in herbalism most of my life, and was taught from little

girlhood onward by two grandmothers, one german, the other my father's mom

who was Cherokee.  Both of them would have added, Im certain, that Anita's

and Peter's commentary were right on the money.  Herbs are to be respected,

and taking responsibility for one's life choices is something that we all

have to bear.



The issue (IMHO) is not so much her being pregnant and not being happy

about it...the issue was how she got that way in the first place, and

knowing her past history she and her partner should have been DOUBLY

careful!  Women with a graterer margin for a high risk pregnancy, such as a

ectopic or tubal -  *should* absolutely be taking some kind of birth

control (natural hopefully) paying close attention to ovulation their

individual ovulation cylce and keeping track of it and/ or absolutely

insisting their parter(s) take precautions too - or both or abstain from

sex!  Safe sex is NOT just about avoiding contracting sexually transmitable

diseases. There are other reasons such as this as well.



Hindsight being 20/20, how you and she choose to live with what is the

situation now, is your ultimate responsiblity. A visit to a good OB/GYN is

an absolute necessity if what you are relaying about her past pregnancy

history is accurate. No one else can adquately be able to determine if your

fears are well founded or not.  Then you can decide the other issues once

you know for sure.



Christina





At 07:55 AM 3/13/1998 -0500, you wrote:

>AMEN to all who councilled caution!!! PLEASE don't do anything blindly or

>without someone who really knows what they are doing. I can't say it any

>better than Peter, Anita and the rest. And take it from personal

>experience, pennyroyal, even to bring on menstruation for a young, scared

>and foolish girl, is VERY PAINFUL  and DANGEROUS when taken in large

>quantities.

>

>Peace, bek

>

>elizabek@vineyard.net

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>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Rhubarb/Echinacea Questions

From: Selah88 <Selah88@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:07:16 EST

--------

Could someone clarify some things for me?



My Echinacea bottle says to stop taking it after 6 weeks and take about a two

week break.  However, I recently read in a book (forget name) that specializes

in Echinacea and goldenseal that it is a myth that you must take a break.  And

infact it does not lose its effectiveness over a period of time.



Also, I have always understood that Rhubarb leaves are poisonous and should

not be eaten.  However, when I bought some plants this weekend, the

information with the plants said that you can cook the leaves like spinach.

Does cooking them doe something to the poisonous elements?



Would appreciate whatever feedback you have on these two items.



Thanks

Suzanne Ash

Selah88@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture & Bupleurum/Cinnamon formula

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 09:06:31 -0700

--------

>NOT NICE - Laughing like an idiot here almost unable to type - but not

nice to

>do this to a poor little cat in the midst of a "call of the wild".

Grin - agreed.  Actually, valerian is much better for this.  The neighbor's

cat frequently uses our fence post to do her 'calling'.  Gave her some

valerian - mellowed her right out.  The rest of the neighbor's chipped in

and got me to buy a pound of it for her.  Cats love valerian - when one

considers how they clean their butts the reason for that becomes very

clear.



Anyway, for those that find Composition Powder to be too much for them, I

hasten to include a very famous TCM formula known as Bupleurum & Cinnamon.

In theory, this should have absolutely nothing to do with colds, but if one

compares it to the contents of Composition Powder one can see similarities.

I've had great good success in giving this one to people that refuse to go

near Composition Powder.



               One of Chang Chung Ching's formulas that is particularly

                     useful for treating the common cold is called

Bupleurum and

                     Cinnamon Combination (Chai hu kuei chih tang). It

consists

                     of the following Chinese herbs:



                      Bupleurum

                               4.0 gm.

                      Pinellia

                               4.0 gm.

                      Licorice

                               1.5 gm.

                      Jujube

                               2.0 gm.

                      Cinnamon

                               2.5 gm.

                      Scutellaria

                               2.0 gm.

                      Ginseng

                               2.0 gm.

                      Peony

                               2.5 gm.

                      Ginger

                               1.0 gm.





                     This formula is good for those with a somewhat

delicate

                     constitution who have a tendency towards fatigue,

                     gastrointestinal weakness,headache, heaviness in the

head,

                     neuralgia, fever, chills, floatingpulse, distention

beneath the

                     heart. It is primarily used for treating the common

cold,

                     influenza, pneumonia, tuberculosis and pleuritis.



Can make it from scratch, it's also available as an OTC pill product in any

 store catering to

TCM formulas.  Made from scratch, it tastes like cinnamon flavored mud,

sweetened by the

jujube dates.  I ask the afflicted person if they want mud or fire water -

their choice.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: cayenne tincture & Bupleurum/Cinnamon formula

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:46:57 EST

--------

In a message dated 3/11/98 2:15:35 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM writes:



<< Grin - agreed.  Actually, valerian is much better for this.  The neighbor's

 cat frequently uses our fence post to do her 'calling'.  Gave her some

 valerian - mellowed her right out.  The rest of the neighbor's chipped in

 and got me to buy a pound of it for her.  Cats love valerian - when one

 considers how they clean their butts the reason for that becomes very

 clear. >>



Tom,



LOL to this one. If you smell and taste catnip, it doesn't do much better than

valerian. Now, it's a good thing that valerian is considered no addictive. But
I have

to wonder when they said that were they thinking of your neighbors who got you
to buy a pound? I would say they are addicted to nights withouth cat calls
thanks to valerian. Wouldn't you?  ~





     Laura 








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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: to protect liver

From: Osvaldo <amt@NS1.IMPSAT.NET.EC>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:37:36 -0500

--------

Herb list.



In order to improve my cholesterol readings, protect my liver and

to better my metabolism ( it is little slow , they say )

I was suggested to take the following supplement:



Milth Thistle Extract

Dandelion Extract

Turmeric

Schisandra

Picrorizha Kurra

Phyllanthus amarus



Can I have your opinion about it ? I will be very

apreciative to receive any input.

Osvaldo

amt@impsat.net.ec







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: to protect liver

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Wed, 11 Mar 1998 15:25:17 -0700

--------

>In order to improve my cholesterol readings, protect my liver and

>to better my metabolism ( it is little slow , they say )

>I was suggested to take the following supplement:

>Milth Thistle Extract

>Dandelion Extract

>Turmeric

>Schisandra

>Picrorizha Kurra

>Phyllanthus amarus = Amla, very high in Vit. C.

Probably one of the fairly new standardized "Liver Complex" products?

Why they mix English and Latin names on labels is beyond me - never could

figure out rhyme or reason.

Have no idea what Picrorizha is - anyone else?



At any rate - without breaking down the individual herbs, it is designed to

do the very things you mention.  e.g., dredge & protect the liver and ball

gladder, act as a gentle laxative, etc.  I will withhold comment on

'standardized' products, biting tongue all the way.

Probably a very good product, if the cost isn't prohibitive.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: to protect liver

From: NE Hrb Sup <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 01:58:19 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-11 17:39:54 EST, you write:



>  I will withhold comment on

>  'standardized' products, biting tongue all the way.

Tom



WHY?? a voice crying out in the wilderness about adulteration ( mine) always

would like some company-

peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: to protect liver

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 02:13:59 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-12 01:59:15 EST, you write:



<<   I will withhold comment on

 >  'standardized' products, biting tongue all the way.

 Tom



 WHY?? a voice crying out in the wilderness about adulteration ( mine) always

 would like some company-

 peter >>

Gents;

   I'm curious to know your thoughts on standardized products.  I'm always

concerned about dosage, knowing the variability non fresh and even fresh plant

maaterial.

    By the way, I'm still up at 2am because my sweet son is in seizure mode.

Any herbal suggestions?  He's on lower doses of depakote, neorontin and

lamictal and I supplement with numerous vits, minerals and herbs.... but he

was off supplements for 4-5 days.

thanks

mjh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: to protect liver

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 20:26:47 -0800

--------

>Herb list.

>

>In order to improve my cholesterol readings, protect my liver and

>to better my metabolism ( it is little slow , they say )

>I was suggested to take the following supplement:

>

>Milth Thistle Extract

>Dandelion Extract

>Turmeric

>Schisandra

>Picrorizha Kurra

>Phyllanthus amarus

>

>Can I have your opinion about it ? I will be very

>apreciative to receive any input.

>Osvaldo

>amt@impsat.net.ec



I don't know the last two, but the first 4 look good.



If you want to know about the liver and the best things to do for it, get

Christopher Hobbs' book, "Foundations of Health - Healing with Herbs and

Food".  I love this book.  Tho his leanings are to TCM, Christopher also

can talk to us Western herbalists.  This is a great book (it's on one of my

4 shelves of herb books).



Milk thistle has been shown to be very protective and healing of the liver,

even in cases of cirrhosis of the liver.

Dandelion is a good liver cleansing herb - cold

Tumeric has some cleansing and protecting constituents in it, as well as

some antioxidants - warm

Schisandra is a wonderful healing/protective herb for the liver.  I like

this one (maybe it is just the pleasant sound of the name?). This was used

in a test on people with infectious hepatitis and 76% were "cured" (I

assume that infectious hepatitis is Hept. A) - warm



The other two I don't know.  Each of the above herbs has contraindications

and specific uses.  Here's some more herbs to add to the list:



Angelica - used in bitter tonics - warming

Artichoke - used in bitter tonics - cooling

Barberry/Oregon grape - particularly for infections of the liver - cooling

Blessed thistle - stimulates bile - quite bitter, and should not be

overused - hot and dry to the second degree

Bupleurum - for restoring normal liver function, esp. after hepatitis -

mildly cooling

Burdock - a tonic and protective herb - also stimulates bile - cooling

Chicory - good used with other liver herbs to help in cleansing - cold

Citrus peels - used in bitter tonics - warming to surface, cooling to interior

Gentian - used in bitter tonics - cleansing and detoxifying - cold

Ginger - good for whole digestive tract, and can "warm" some of the more

"cooling" herbs - often used in liver flushes and combinations

Goldenseal - talk about bitter!!!  however, it is disappearing from the

wild, so use something else if you don't need it as a contact antibiotic -

cold

Mugwort/Wormwood - these are related herbs - mugwort really stimulates bile

- wormwood is particularly good for the gall bladder - mugwort is cool to

neutral

Redroot - particularly good for the lymph system, but helps with a

congested liver, also - cooling



You really should read Christopher's book to get the whole picture.  Just a

list of herbs doesn't do you alot of good.



Rusty





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: to protect liver

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 06:58:12 -0700

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>I don't know the last two, but the first 4 look good.

>



Watch Turmeric - it contains high amounts of coumarins - not ideal for someone on

prescription 'drug thinners'.  Agreed that it's super for the liver, tho. Used by

some Yogists that love to do contortionist acts.



>If you want to know about the liver and the best things to do for it, get

>Christopher Hobbs' book, "Foundations of Health - Healing with Herbs and

>Food".  I love this book.  Tho his leanings are to



Wiggle, wiggle, weasel, weasel - A-OOOOOOGA!  AGREED!



A superb book - almost a must for anyone, including newbies.  Good way to learn a

bit about TCM & Western herbs all in one book.  I dearly love his "Classic Bitters".

 Have seen a lot of talk around here about Swedish Bitters (btw - Angostura is also

good), but in my book "Classic Bitters" is tops.  Am even growing an Artichoke "bush"

to honor the contents.  I call it a 'bush' because it's so darn huge - wants to hog

the whole garden.  His discussion on the use of bitters just makes one want to run

right out and get some - pronto!



Have used it to break the 'sweet habit' on many persons - have taught them that when

they think the body is calling for sweet, it's actually calling for bitter.  Understandable

since here in the US we've been taught to cover up the bitter taste (dandelion leaves

in a salad buried with salad dressing does no good - relative to the bitter taste).

 The body ends up being confused.



Thought for the day: (if you destroy your body with junk food, where will you live?).





Tom







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: asafoetida ad nauseum

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 00:24:06 -0500

--------

Irena Franchi wrote-

>Hello

>Please, I would like to obtain more info about

>Asafoetida

>Thanks.



ok, asafoetida-

(contains the word 'foetid'-look that up)



a recipe-



Rasam Masala

Ingredients

Black Pepper 1 tbsp.

Chana Daal seeds 2 tbsp.

Coriander Seeds 2 tbsp.

Red Chillies 4-5

Asafoetida(optional) 1 tsp.

Coconut (grated) 3 tbsp.

Ghee 2 tbsp.

Masala Preparation

Roast black pepper, chana daal, coriander, and asafoetida.

Add chillies when daal starts getting red.

If using dry coconut, soak it in a little water. Blend the daal mixture and

coconut until the paste is fine. Keep aside.



A page of Indian recipes, many of which contain asafoetida-

http://www.ece.arizona.edu/~srikant/recipes/index.html



For more recipes, put the word in a good rearch engine and you will find

hundreds of them.



>From  Earl Mindel's Herb Bible-

ASAFOETIDA

Common Use: Nerve and cerebral stimulant; Antispasmodic, also used for

coughs and bronchitis; low doses for garlic-like flavoring.

Dosage: F.E. 8-12 drops



from THE FOOD LOVER'S COMPANION, 2nd edition,

by Sharon Tyler Herbst, Barron's Educational Services, Inc.-

asafetida; asafoetida [ah-sah-FEH-teh-dah] A flavoring obtained from a giant

fennellike plant that grows mainly in Iran and India. It's used in many

Indian dishes and can be found in powdered or lump form in Indian markets.

Asafetida has a fetid, garlicky smell and should be used in very small

quantities.



a Monograph on asafoetida from the Herbal Library-

http://www.healthlink.com.au/nat_lib/htm-data/htm-herb/bhp572.htm



recipes using flowers and asafoetida from an Indian newspaper-

http://www.webpage.com/hindu/daily/970316/09/0916031b.htm



curry recipes using it-

http://www.bennett.com/curry/kerala.htm



part of an article (reprinted  without permission) from 1994

which refers to asafoetida as a fertility regulator-

Contraception the Natural Way; Herbs Have Played Role From Ancient Greece to

Modern-Day Appalachia By Boyce Rensberger WASHINGTON, July 25, Washington

Post

<>

Women seeking an alternative turned to silphion's close relatives in the

giant fennel family, including asafoetida, a key ingredient in today's

Worcestershire sauce. Though said to be less effective than silphium,

asafoetida was cheaper and widely prescribed in the ancient world. Riddle

said ancient documents name many other plants used to regulate fertility.

Among the more prominent are pennyroyal, rue, willow, date palm,

pomegranate, members of the genus Artemisia (such as wormwood) and myrrh.

Such concoctions have usually been dismissed by modern medical experts as

ineffectual. But tests on laboratory animals in recent years have proven

otherwise. Although silphium can never be tested scientifically, experiments

using crude extracts of asafoetida show that it does something. In rats, for

example, it inhibited implantation of fertilized ova at rates up to 50

percent. Extracts of asafoetida's close relatives were nearly 100 percent

effective in preventing pregnancy when given within three days of mating. <>



The whole article is here on Richter's HerbLetter Site-

http://www.richters.com/HERBLETTERS/HL940726.html



'A Message from Joe Spice' who rates asafoetida as number 1 nasty spice to

package (apparently he doesn't package wormwood, which would get my vote)-

#1: Asafoetida Powder. King of the nasties. Almost indescribable odor,

somewhere between rotting eggs and "poop" (not the word I was going to use,

but hey, this is a family web site). Besides being both smelly and sticky,

it has a way of sticking to one's nose hairs, so if you package asafoetida

in the morning, you're smelling asafoetida all day. I know what it's

supposed to taste like after added to hot oil, but I can't imagine how you

can get a "wonderful onion/truffle flavor and aroma" from something this

foul. Scoring: Nasty, 10+. Sticky, 10+. Pain index, 8. Total score: 28.

(article at http://www.spicesetc.com/joespicenov.html )



Michael Tierra compares it with valerian on a page of formulas and herbs for

nerves-

http://www.planetherbs.com/articles/Nerves.html



>From the (un)official internet bartender's guide at

http://sahsun.acs.usm.maine.edu/~doug/sec07.txt

comes recipes for lassi, including this one-

KHARA LASSI (salty)

 1 cup yoghurt     2 cups cold water     1 tsp salt

     pinch hing (asafoetida)     fresh curry leaves (3-4)

Blend in blender until frothy. Add torn curry leaves and serve cold



And, to end this, a few words on asafoetida in what appears to me to be

Finnish from http://www.sci.fi/~artha/ruoka/mausteet.htm

Hajupihka

Ferula asafoetida

asafoetida, hing, pirunpihka

Tdmd jdttildisfenkolin juuresta saatu kasvineste on hyvin voimakkaan

makuista ja varsinkin hajuista. Niinpd sitd myydddn yleensd vehndjauholla

yms. jatkettuna, jotta maustaminen olisi helpompaa.



This was on a list of culinary spices and herbs, and I just couldn't resist

(being more a Finn than a Scotswoman).



Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lazy herbalist's cayenne tonic for colds

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 09:24:39 -0500

--------

If you are lucky to live near an east Indian or Pakistani settlement, you

may be able to find (Laxmi's) Fresh Mint Chutney at an Indian grocery.  I

picked up some yesterday and it has Mint, Green Chillies, Corriander,

Ginger, Water, Vinegar, Salt, spices and Citric acid.  Made in the US,

but there are probably equivalents elsewhere.  This apparently is a fresh

leaf mixture that is pureed and not chunky (should be easy to make

yourself without the preservatives or color) and retains strong mint,

chile and corriander flavor.



Corriander chutney, similarly purreed but with more corriander and no

mint is another delicious source.



A fantastic condiment and great out of the jar for colds.

(nci)

Karen Vaughan, green fingered...

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: PH

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:36:53 -0500

--------

I may have wrong Herb list...someone was wondering about checking PH

for soil...hope this helps someone out there anyway...



Of course PH tests are available commercially and through your local

Ag Ext...



BUT this is an at home test that might also be fun to do with

Children...



2 jarsful of violet blossoms

boiling water

lemon juice

baking soda



Fill any size jars with blossoms; fill with boiling water to top,

seal and steep overnight. Divide contents of one jar into three

containers...add lemon juice to one...it will turn purple/red; this

is your acid indicator...add baking soda to the other..it will turn

green/yellow; this is your base indicator... third jar is neutral...

no sure of it's color...pour contents of second jar with blossoms

into as many small containers as you have soil samples to test...

match colors to indicators...and you will have an idea of soil PH.



Bright Blessings

Linda

ALSO..if no one here was looking for PH..let me know so I can send

message to other list...Thanx



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: PH

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:52:28 -0500

--------

Tom,

 I hope you enjoy this...as part of a course I'm taking and my Master

Gardening stuf...I'm trying to work up some things for kiddos...Also

I AM a mom of 17..12..and 1year old...so NOT DONEYET!<G>



No specific violet is indicated..but the info is in a chpater that

includes Heart's ease...Johnny Jump-up's...so I think you'll be fine..

ours are just UP..hehe..so let me know how you do...I'm going to try

it this weekend!



Bright Blessings

Linda



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: PH

From: "charlenej.hmc" <charlenej.hmc@INTERNETMCI.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 12:53:08 -0500

--------

Cool!  I need a PH tester for myself as well as my plants.  This seems fun

too.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: PH

From: Millie <millie@WILDROOTS.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:40:37 -0500

--------

I found this browsing thru The Art of Soap Making by Merlin Mohr.



Quote

Take a parcel of blue flowers of any vegetable, violets for instance, or the

blossoms of the mallow; beat them with the edge of a knife, and squeeze the

juice of it into a teacup; with a small brush or hairpencil lay over a sheet

of white paper with this juice and when it is dry it is fit for use. All

alkalis will turn it green, all acids will turn it red. A combination of

acid and alkali to point of saturation will in no way alter the colour

because they are neutral, having properties of neither acid nor alkali.

End Quote



He goes on to suggest simmering 1/2 cup blueberries in one cup of water

until the berries have faded. Brush that on paper and dry. A drop of vinegar

will turn the paper deep red, indicating acid and a drop of lye water would

turn the paper a brilliant green, possibly even yellow.



Again, sounds like a fun project to do with kids!



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millie@wildroots.com

Stony Mountain Botanicals        http://www.wildroots.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Strep/ antibiotic reaction

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:11:36 -0500

--------

My 14 year old son has strep throat (confirmed) and has developed a

serious reaction to the amoxicillin antibiotic he is taking.  He has

developed a hot rash all over his body.



Constitutionally he is cold and damp, suffering from a hot throat (and

hot antibiotic allergic reaction) condition.  I initially gave him a

teaspoonful of mint/chile puree to cool him down and to open his pores so

that the skin could process out whatever is bothering him and he is

resistant to repeating the experience.  He is drinking some cooling mint

tincture in hot water with dandelion for the liver.  My intention is to

give him cayenne capsules and mint tea throughout the day.  (Altoids as

possible supplement).



Would like some guidance as to dosages for usnea/myrrh/goldenseal  for

the strep, as well as for proper length of treatment.  (No one else in

the family will get antibiotics.)  Also, for the future, does someone

have a source for tinctured drosera?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Subject: Re: Strep/ antibiotic reaction

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 18:47:18 -0800

--------

>My 14 year old son has strep throat (confirmed) and has developed a

>serious reaction to the amoxicillin antibiotic he is taking.  He has

>developed a hot rash all over his body.

>

>Constitutionally he is cold and damp, suffering from a hot throat (and

>hot antibiotic allergic reaction) condition.  I initially gave him a

>teaspoonful of mint/chile puree to cool him down and to open his pores so

>that the skin could process out whatever is bothering him and he is

>resistant to repeating the experience.  He is drinking some cooling mint

>tincture in hot water with dandelion for the liver.  My intention is to

>give him cayenne capsules and mint tea throughout the day.  (Altoids as

>possible supplement).

>

>Would like some guidance as to dosages for usnea/myrrh/goldenseal  for

>the strep, as well as for proper length of treatment.  (No one else in

>the family will get antibiotics.)  Also, for the future, does someone

>have a source for tinctured drosera?

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com



My favorite is the following...



2 fresh cloves of garlic, minced

1 tbsp of honey

1/8 tsp cayenne



mix this all together... you can make more, but these are the proportions...

take a teaspoon full at a time, chewing well and swallowing - do NOT drink

anything for at least half an hour after chewing this... yes, it will be

hot, but not for that long, and it will stop the pain fairly soon.



I have used this and given the recipe to quite a few other who have all

used it successfully.



There are many other good things - goldenseal would be good.  But, this is

my favorite.



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep/ antibiotic reaction

From: Jill Rubadue <jlr@GRRTECH.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:02:05 -0800

--------

Karen S Vaughan wrote:

>

> My 14 year old son has strep throat (confirmed) and has developed a

> serious reaction to the amoxicillin antibiotic he is taking.  He has

> developed a hot rash all over his body.



My son had a similar reaction last year. We took him off amoxicillin and

approx. two days later his skin was clear again. We decided he was

allergic to amox. and switched to another drug which he did not react

to.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep/ antibiotic reaction

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:01:48 -0900

--------

At 10:02 AM 3/14/98 -0800, you wrote:

>Karen S Vaughan wrote:

>>

>> My 14 year old son has strep throat (confirmed) and has developed a

>> serious reaction to the amoxicillin antibiotic he is taking.  He has

>> developed a hot rash all over his body.

>

>My son had a similar reaction last year. We took him off amoxicillin and

>approx. two days later his skin was clear again. We decided he was

>allergic to amox. and switched to another drug which he did not react

>to.

>

>

If you have a reaction to a drug such as this rash, NEVER take that drug

again.  It is an almost sure sign of allergy.  The worst type of reaction

that you can have is anaphalactic shock which can KILL YOU!!  If you

suspect allergy to a drug notify your doctor IMMEDIATELY and DO NOT GIVE

ANY MORE TO THE PATIENT!!!!!  Your doctor will need to know so he will not

prescribe this type of drug to you again.  It's a good idea to wear a

medic-alert tag or bracelet also for extra protection.

Strep is a serious afliction but it CAN be treated with herbs successfully.

 You need to use a combination of immune enhancing herbs with

anti-bacterial herbs (some are strep specific such as drosera and coptis),

aromatic herbs and diaphoretics.  Watch for secondary problems.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Strep/ antibiotic reaction

From: Curtis Seyfried <cseyfrie@MAIL.INTERPORT.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:47:47 -0500

--------

NOT a medical recomendation, for cultural purposes only!





At 06:47 PM 3/12/98 -0800, you wrote:

>>Would like some guidance as to dosages for usnea/myrrh/goldenseal  for

>>the strep, as well as for proper length of treatment.  (No one else in

>>the family will get antibiotics.)  Also, for the future, does someone

>>have a source for tinctured drosera?



normal adult dosage is 30 drops each 3X a day. Childrens Conversion,

"Clark's Rule:

To determine dosage for children, use Clark's Rule. Divide the child's

weight ( in pounds) by 150 to give the approximate fraction of the adult

dosage to give to the child. EX. For a 50 lb. child give 50/150 , or 1/3,

of the adult dosage. Therefore if the dosage is 30 drops 3X a day, the

childs dose will be 10 drops 3X a day.  For 8 - 10 days same course as

antibiotics.



Apple Cider vinegar 2 tbs. in 1 oz. water 3X a day has worked for me in the

past, also 8-10 days.

Usnea is really a respiratory antibactrial, specific for tuberculosis, but

it can't hurt.





Peace and Good Health, (;->)

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Two ?'s and something fun

From: Austen <austenv@SLS.LIB.IL.US>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:28:48 -0500

--------

I am new to herbs, and have been learning a lot!  I found this great

site, Wiccan in nature, and a GREAT source of herbal info. and very

creative too!  http://www.geocities.com/athens/4177/herbal/htm



And I would love if anyone has any advice :



My mother  was recently diagnosed with diabetes, and she also has

congestive heart failure, but is doing well.  She takes oral insulin and

also a pill for her heart, as well as nolvadex- an anti-estrogen as she

had a bout with cancer about 14 years ago.  She thinks one of the pills

is constipating, and she has tried everything the nurse suggested,

stool softener, metamucil, enemas, but none really help.  The only thing

she says really works is eating sauerkraut, what she calls the

"natural hoover of the stomach!"



Also, does anyone have any advice with herbal remedies for compulsive

behaviors, specifically eating?





Thank you very much in advance!

Verna







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal Educational suggestions wanted

From: Mrning Dew <mrningdew@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:07:17 -0700

--------

Hello all!



My daughter is graduating from high school, and is exploring her career options.

 Definitely leaning to the alternative medicine arena.  She doesn't know what is

available, or what she would really like to do, who does at that age anyway <grin>.

 I am trying to help her gather information on possible careers.



We live in the SF bay area, California.  She has stayed with a friend at Heartwood,

up in Humboldt county, and has a taste of alternative education.  I found some information

on Naturopathic Doctors.  Seems like they are not licensed in this state, at least

not this year.  But they probably will be whenever she completes her education.



What she needs to know is what careers are available, what does she need to study,

how long will it take.  She's a vegetarian, into herbs, definitely independent.



If anyone can point me to some www sites, or where we can get some more information

on alternative studies, you can email me privately.



thank you!



Lynn Teruggi



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Violets

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 10:28:49 -0700

--------

Oops, I goofed.  In that reply asking about kinds of violets to use for Ph

testing I indicated Heartsease, which is really a pansy, not a violet

(before someone climbs all over me for that).  Meant to ask about Sweet

Violets, they o.k.?  Or, some other species of violet?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Violets

From: MS LINDA A MANSFIELD <WQVL02A@PRODIGY.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:54:16 -0500

--------

Tom,



You wrote:

>>

Oops, I goofed.  In that reply asking about kinds of violets to use

for Ph

testing I indicated Heartsease, which is really a pansy, not a

violet

(before someone climbs all over me for that).  Meant to ask about

Sweet

Violets, they o.k.?  Or, some other species of violet?

>>



Specifically indicated are Viola odorata; V.tricolor...but from the

article it appears any Viola will do...

Hope this helps...



Bright Blessings

Linda



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nurses

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 11:46:39 -0600

--------

Thomas, would you be willing to share your rheum/arth formula.  Have several

people with similar problems, allergic to "everything".  Never thought of an

anti-inflammatory/alternative.  Makes sense.  Isn't that the traditional

medical approach?  Thanks so much for sharing.



Thomas LaMere wrote:



> Small wonder that this person's mother (also a nurse - allergic to almost

> everything) responded so well to my rheum/arth formula.  It is loaded with

> the usual anti-inflammatories but also contains large amounts of

> alteratives.

>

> Rosie Lloyd

>

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nurses

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:01:51 -0700

--------

>Thomas, would you be willing to share your rheum/arth formula.  Have

several

>people with similar problems, allergic to "everything".  Never thought of

an

>anti-inflammatory/alternative.  Makes sense.  Isn't that the traditional

>medical approach?  Thanks so much for sharing.

Happy to do so, however that'll have to be Monday (I don't have my formula

book with me at work).  As for the alteratives I can tell you that it

contains a considerable amount of Burdock - a classic for removing 'gunk'

from the lymph system - e.g., nicotine, aluminum, copper (afflicted person

gets bright blue pee when it's finally flushed out of the system), etc.

There's a lot of different kinds of alteratives - cleavers, red clover,

etc., but for this purpose I think Burdock would probably be considered

king.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Nurses

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:41:43 -0700

--------

<< I think Burdock would probably be considered king. >>



>I call her Queen and revere her deeply.  Even at this time of the year,

while

>she lies sleeping deep within her mother, the Earth, I go out and salute

her

>last season's corpse and ask to harvest her seedy, picky fruits to make a

>healing brew for me.

Unlucky wanderers in fields encountering its burrs have other names for it,

grin.



For those people that enjoy Japenese food, look for Gobo (Burdock in

Japanese).

They include it as a fresh vegetable - nice and crunchy with a great taste.

Another great example of using food as medicine.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: tendonitis in forearm

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 21:20:27 -0500

--------

My son, who is a chef, called tonite for herbal remedy advice re:

tendonitis in his forearm.

(all that chopping and cooking)  He had tried resting it in a splint for a

few days while using ibuprophen - didn't work.



I found that Penelope Ody and David Hoffman both recommend a cold-infusion

oil rub made with fresh SJW and fresh yarrow - both unavailable right now.



The only other thing I could find in my ref. books was a list of

anti-inflammatories for general purposes:

black willow, devil's claw, guaiacum, meadowsweet, white poplar, and wild yam.



I also had heard someplace that drinking copious amounts of pure water

daily might help.



I'd appreciate any other suggestions anyone might make.



Thanks, Anita











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paf@connix.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tendonitis in forearm

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 06:48:06 EST

--------

Anita



 Have you tried willow bark or meadowsweet. Also I believe I've read something

about licorice have a steroidal effect similar to cortizone.

Echinacea is supposed to be good for connective tissue injuries, perhaps that

may help as well. Michael Moore author of Medicinal Plants of the Desert and

Canyon West, suggests taking up to a half ounce of tincture daily til the

swelling goes down. Ice can help too, but I'm sure you thought

of that. Anyway, I hope this helps.  I'm not a doctor so please remember these

are just suggestions. Thanks : )



Laura







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tendonitis in forearm

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:31:27 -0700

--------

>My son, who is a chef, called tonite for herbal remedy advice re:

>tendonitis in his forearm.

>(all that chopping and cooking)  He had tried resting it in a splint for a

>few days while using ibuprophen - didn't work.



See Tom go ballistic over current MD thinking on this one.  They all seem

to give the same

advice - "let me give you a cortisone shot, meantime, change jobs", grrrr.



Try Lavender oil, Dit Dat Jaio liniment, even that cayenne tincture.

I've had great success using acupressure.  With the arm held fairly

straight, feel around the outside of the elbow joint - will usually find

one or more OUCH spots.  May also find one on back of upper arm (where you

normally get shots) and/or upper forearm by placing four fingers together,

measuring down from elbow joint.  In all cases, rotate on the OUCH spots 3

or 4 times/day or simply press down with index finger directly over the

spot(s) for about 30 seconds or until the ouch goes away.  You may assume

that accupuncture is very helpful for this.  Wearing an arm brace also

helpful.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tendonitis in forearm

From: Scott and/or Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:36:03 +0000

--------

At 11:53 AM 3/14/98 -0800, you wrote:

>Anita Laine wrote:

>>

>> My son, who is a chef, called tonite for herbal remedy advice re:

>> tendonitis in his forearm.

>> (all that chopping and cooking)  He had tried resting it in a splint for a

>> few days while using ibuprophen - didn't work.

>>

>> I found that Penelope Ody and David Hoffman both recommend a cold-infusion

>> oil rub made with fresh SJW and fresh yarrow - both unavailable right now.

>>

>> The only other thing I could find in my ref. books was a list of

>> anti-inflammatories for general purposes:

>> black willow, devil's claw, guaiacum, meadowsweet, white poplar, and

wild yam.

>>

>> I also had heard someplace that drinking copious amounts of pure water

>> daily might help.

>>

>> I'd appreciate any other suggestions anyone might make.

>>

>> Thanks, Anita

>>

>> --

>>

>> paf@connix.com

>A trial of acupuncture is certainly worth considering, wespecially if he

>intends to keep cooking.

>        A Sympathetic MD ;-)>

>

>You might try Burdock Root as an infusion...allow it to cool.  It has

anti-inflammatory and cooling properties.  It's helped me when carrying too

many bales of hay aggravate long-standing muscle and tendon problems.



A long time muscle pain survivor

Please feel free to visit us at our "Homes on the Web"....



        Scott:  http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/7136/

        Aliceann:  http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5408/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tendonitis in forearm

From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@DEKALB.NET>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 18:10:45 -0500

--------

>Anita Laine wrote:

>

> My son, who is a chef, called tonite for herbal remedy advice re:

> tendonitis in his forearm.

> (all that chopping and cooking)  He had tried resting it in a splint for a

> few days while using ibuprophen - didn't work.



Anita,



Try this mullien compress from Anita Hale....it worked wonders on my

son's pitching arm.....



Mullein compress:



Place in 2 quarts cider or malt vinegar:

4 oz. Verbascum thap. (Mullein)

1/2 oz Lobelia herb

Gently simmer well covered for 20-30 min.  Strain and add a little

tincture of  cayenne or pour over 1/4 ounce cayenne powder.



Foment affected area as hot as possible for at least 1 hour.  I usually

place a soaked cloth on the area and cover with plastic wrap and place a

heating pad over it all.



This is wonderful for glandular swellings, painful joints and muscles,

edema and other swellings.  Mullein encourages the absorbtion of fluids thus

reducing swelling and inflammation.  Lobelia is very relaxing and

anti-spasmodic.  Using a stimulant like Cayenne makes the other ingredients

more effective and it also can help allay pain and staunch bleeding both on

the surface and under (e.g. good for bruising).  Cayenne is also somewhat

antiseptic.



This fomentation may be stored in a cool place and used within a 3 month

period.



Sandi

Saint's Preserve Us! Herbs and Emergency Essentials

Herbs, Books, Salves, Teas, Homeopathics, Earth Change Info

Independent Distributor of SamAndy Emergency Supplies

Catalog Available - $3.00







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tendonitis in forearm

From: Momcat3397 <Momcat3397@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:47:39 EST

--------

Anita:



I have found that tincture of St. John'swort works as well as the oil and is

usually available in stores if you do not have any on hand from last summer.

In my experience, alcohol-based tincture ( I make mine with 100 proof vodka

or half Everclear and half water ) is quite effective but the commercial

products

that are mostly glycerin and water do not give me the same degree of relief.

Read the label of any product you are thinking of purcasing, some stores

prefer

not to stock items that are 50% alcohol.



My favorite remedy for tendonitis is not St.John'swort but Sweet Birch oil.

I purchase the essential oil and then add about a dozen drops to an ounce

of a carrier oil such as grapeseed or sweet almond. There is a product called

Badger Balm (no commercial interest) which is vailable in sports/outdoor gear

stores which contains birch oil. I keep a tin in my guitar case ( it won't

spill )

in case my hand gets cranky near the end of a long weekend gig.



Hope this helps.



Barbara Honors

Ethnobotanist/Herbalist (and musician)

Momcat3397@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tendonitis in forearm

From: "(Patricce) (Porter)" <patrice@NET.BIG-RIVER.SK.CA>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:19:56 -0600

--------

This LObelia that you mentioned in your mullein compress is that the

lobelia that you buy as bedding plant that trails and has blue flowers?

-Pat P.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tendonitis in forearm

From: BLACKKAT <BLACKKAT@DEKALB.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:35:17 -0500

--------

Pat,

 you wrote:

>This LObelia that you mentioned in your mullein compress is that the

>lobelia that you buy as bedding plant that trails and has blue flowers?



The latin name is lobelia inflata.



Sandi

Saint's Preserve Us! Herbs and Emergency Essentials

Herbs, Books, Salves, Teas, Homeopathics, Earth Change Info

Independent Distributor of SamAndy Emergency Supplies

http://www.scescape.net/~hitech/two_crones/

Catalog Available - $3.00







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: White Oak Bark  and age of herbs

From: donna misseres <cayus@WEBTV.NET>

Date: Thu, 12 Mar 1998 19:11:52 -0800

--------

Greetings,

Can you tell me what White Oak Bark would be used for and also, how long

can dried herbs be stored and still retain their medicinal use?

Donna Misseres          cayus@webtv.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: White Oak Bark  and age of herbs

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:59:56 EST

--------

If stored correctly, according to the Australasian College of Herbal Studies,

you can store herbs for up to two years in glass, or sealed jars out of the

sun.



          Laura







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb software

From: Kimberlee Simmons/Blackwood <spooky@FRONTIERNET.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:11:43 +0500

--------

On the subject of Re: herb software, Karen S Vaughan said:



> I have Chris Hobbs' program on order and have heard excellent things

> about it.  Not suprising, considering the quality of his writings.

>

*Please* do tell us how the Hobbs program is!  I've not heard about

it before (not suprising though; I'm so new to this and "out of the

loop" with *everything*! <G>).



Blessings,

Kimberlee



"Si Hoc Legere Scis Nimium Eruditionis Habes"

Kimberlee Simmons, a.k.a. "Blackwood"

spooky@frontiernet.net   or   blackwood13@yahoo.com

http://www.frontiernet.net/~spooky







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: herb software

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 17:34:36 EST

--------

There are several software programs on herbal therapy: Can anyone provide

information (for a complete review) on 1) Herbal Prescriber by Christopher

Hobbs, 2) Herbal Remedies by the American Botanical Council, and 3) GLOBALHERB

by Steve Blake (I already recieved information on The Herbalist by David

Hoffman).

Also, who are the publishers for Herbal Prescriber and GLOBALHERB? Thanks in

advance.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



(contact me at Elfreem@aol.com for information on how to subscribe to a new

herb/ nutrition newsletter that will be free ...at least for 6 months)







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb software

From: Aileen Alexander-Harding <grnhart@MAIL.BC.ROGERS.WAVE.CA>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:47:17 -0800

--------

Hi,

I have GLOBALHERB and must say I am very disappointed in it. Not at all what I had

expected, especially for the price. I found allot of the recommend  treatments

were MLM  formulas. Not the answer for someone who makes or wants to make up

formulas or tinctures on their own, as no measurements are suggested in any of his

formulas. I found the whole program very vague. I would be interested to hear any

comments you receive, especially for any of the other programs as I have been

thinking of purchasing another one but am a bit reluctant without some feed back.

Have you heard anything about IBIS?

Aileen

Greenheart Herbs



Elfreem wrote:



> There are several software programs on herbal therapy: Can anyone provide

> information (for a complete review) on 1) Herbal Prescriber by Christopher

> Hobbs, 2) Herbal Remedies by the American Botanical Council, and 3) GLOBALHERB

> by Steve Blake (I already recieved information on The Herbalist by David

> Hoffman).

> Also, who are the publishers for Herbal Prescriber and GLOBALHERB? Thanks in

> advance.

>

> Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

> Midwest Shared Newsletter

> Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists

>

> (contact me at Elfreem@aol.com for information on how to subscribe to a new

> herb/ nutrition newsletter that will be free ...at least for 6 months)







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb software

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 19:11:44 -0500

--------

I have Genusys and David Hoffman's CD-Rom.  David Hoffman's program is

wonderful for people at a variety of levels, but the Genusys Database for

Natural Healing and Supplements is essentially useless.  All the

contraindication information appears to be simply a list of whether of

not a herb is GRAS and virtually all the herbs have the same stock

disclaimers.  There is virtually nothing to help either a begining or

advanced herbalist.



I have Chris Hobbs' program on order and have heard excellent things

about it.  Not suprising, considering the quality of his writings.



Hopkins Technology's Traditional Chinese Medicine and Pharmacology is

very good for an herbalist who wants a good basic grounding in the TCM

approach to herbs.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb software

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:04:13 GMT

--------

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:11:43 +0500, Kimberlee Simmons/Blackwood

<spooky@FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>On the subject of Re: herb software, Karen S Vaughan said:

>

>> I have Chris Hobbs' program on order and have heard excellent things

>> about it.  Not suprising, considering the quality of his writings.

>>

>*Please* do tell us how the Hobbs program is!  I've not heard about

>it before (not suprising though; I'm so new to this and "out of the

>loop" with *everything*! <G>).



It has good information, but the interface is -lousy-. To get -to- something you

have to click and click and click and click, and to get -out- of it you have

been provided with a large amount of 'ok' and 'cancel' and similar buttons that

you -have- to click and click and click and click ... none of the 'ok, I've seen

this plant/formula/whatnot, what's next?' stuff, no easy navigating at all.



Cheers

Henriette



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      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb software

From: Paula <pswarner@PACBELL.NET>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 07:32:26 -0800

--------

Hi all!



I downloaded a partial herb program by Klaus Hoferichter.  It cost quite a bit to

get his full version.  Have any of you heard of this before?  He is from Canada.



Paula



Henriette Kress wrote:



> On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:11:43 +0500, Kimberlee Simmons/Blackwood

> <spooky@FRONTIERNET.NET> wrote to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:

>

> >On the subject of Re: herb software, Karen S Vaughan said:

> >

> >> I have Chris Hobbs' program on order and have heard excellent things

> >> about it.  Not suprising, considering the quality of his writings.

> >>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Stop smoking.....

From: Tbiketah <Tbiketah@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:39:08 EST

--------

My wife is has been trying to quit smoking....She finally stopped smoking

cigarettes but is now hooked on the Nicorette gum....she can't let go of the

gum..



Does anyone out there know of any herbs that can help with the cravings of

this habit.   Please Help







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stop smoking.....

From: Tim Lees <tk84321@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:03:47 -0700

--------

On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 02:39:08 EST Tbiketah <Tbiketah@AOL.COM> writes:

>My wife is has been trying to quit smoking....She finally stopped

>smoking

>cigarettes but is now hooked on the Nicorette gum....she can't let go

>of the

>gum..

>

>Does anyone out there know of any herbs that can help with the

>cravings of

>this habit.   Please Help



Nicotine is a nervous system stimulant. Nicotine effects 2

neurotransmitter systems;

Dopamine and acetlycholine. For dopamine try St.johns wort, inhiblits the

enzyme MAO that breaks down dopaminet and or DL-phenylaniline;an amino

acid which is also a MAO inhibitor. Second,most people miss this one,

boost your choline which will  boost your acetlycholine. Eggs are a good

source of choline. horsebalm i read effects acetlycholine but i do not

know much about it.



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stop smoking.....

From: SuzyQQt <SuzyQQt@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:43:03 EST

--------

i stopped smoking two years ago and have not returned to it.....took daily

high doses of choline/inositol.....500-1000mg. a day......and an extra if i

felt cravings getting bothersome.....(so maybe three a day max) and slowly

tapered off the longer i had quit.....it made quitting really an easily do-

able thing (ok, so i quit for lent to, so that gave me a good 40-day head

start)  ;>



also, before actually quitting i tapered down the nicotine in the cigarettes i

smoked, so i would be dealing with as small a withdrawal problem as

possible.....

you know, deluxe ultra lights, etc......



good luck, and yes....do it NOW!!!







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stop smoking.....

From: MARDI2GRAS <MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 22:55:08 EST

--------

I've been told by a herbalist that chewing on licorice (natural sticks) does

the trick. good luck, Debra







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Birth Control

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 07:46:20 -0500

--------

Try reading Susun Weed's "Herbal For the Childbearing Year". She gives a

lot of good information on pregnancy and "how not to be". Also, it is very

important to know your body and your cycle. we as women, are really only

fertile at certain times of the month. Once you are aware of your fertility

patterns, it's relatively easy to plan accordingly. Also, there are a few

good fertility awareness devices out on the market now. the first one that

comes to mind is "the Lense" - a little lipstick-sized "Microsope" that, by

the crystaline patterns in your saliva, will help you determine fairly

accurately whether or not you are fertile that particular day, and the

degree of fertility. (NCI)



Pardon me for going on. I started doing a bit of research on this when i

felt that the pill was doing a number on my body.



In Health,  bek



elizabek@vineyard.net

************************************

http://www.vineyard.net/biz/witches/

************************************







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Birth Control

From: elizabeth scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 19:01:00 +0000

--------

Since you asked, I know of two possible sources of "The Lense". One is a

company called "Ovu - Tech"  in Georgia. When i find the correct

address, i'll send it on. Vineyard Sound Herbs usually carries the one

from that company (508-696-7574). The other company is HealthCrest PO

Box 1822 Fair Oaks, CA  95628. When i bought mine it was around $40.00.



No Commercial Interest in any of these companies. i just think it's a

good product.



Peace, bek







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: echinacea for snakebites

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:55:19 EST

--------

<<

-  Elliot - I, like Joanie, would love to help, BUT I think that given your

background and expertise, there are none better qualified than yourself -and I

for one would not dream of denying you the fame and notariety that you could

gain - perhaps do it on 20/20 if it works the first time -  I would certainly

be willing to be a qualified "witness" and help with the writing if things

went a bit awry.  I have no doubt that it will work - Just think the thunder

should be yours.

peter

>>



Thanks for your touch of humor Peter. I actually thought that someone might

volunteer for this experiment. What in the world was I thinking!!   HEY

...would anyone like to take the chance of killing themself???  What ...no one

but me???



I was actually serious about doing this experiment initially, but after

talking to a few snake handlers (who don't allow themselves to be bitten) and

my wife, it would seem now to be a foolish idea.



I WAS referred to some snake handling churches in Kentucky that might prove

interesting. Also, it would be great to find that Indian who allows himself to

be bitten ... (now there's someone who could be on 20/20). But seeing as how

it's unlikely to find a volunteer, I think I'll try to arrange the "thunder"

for an animal.



Elliot







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: White oak bark and herbal birth control

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:20:44 EST

--------

I thought someone had asked about white oak bark and I just read something

about it this morning. It appears that the large amounts of tannic acid found

in the bark represents an effective antiviral agent against

certain types of infectious diseases, like polio,herpes simplex, bronchitis

and flu. From the science of herbal medicine by John Heinerman page 60.



I am taking a course for a diploma in herbal studies, anyway, in my course

material it says that Bayberry, Myrica Cerifera, contains Myricitrin which can

destroy Spermatazoa. Which suggests it's usefulness as a birth control.



I thought these would be some good ideas. As I am still learning, I'm sure

other folks have more suggestions. I just read these over this mornig and I

thought I should share them with the group. I hope this gives you a place to

start looking. Have a great day.



        Laura







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: White Oak Bark and age of herbs

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:38:40 -0700

--------

>Can you tell me what White Oak Bark would be used for and also, how long

>can dried herbs be stored and still retain their medicinal use?

White Oak has many uses.  One of my favorites is for peridontal problems.

Mixed with a little salt water it makes an excellent gargle, or gum

massage, for bleeding gums (very astringent).  Since it's also one of those

'anti-everything' herbs, it's also good for diseases of the mouth.



As for storage, leaves & flowers - up to nine months (if YOU pick them

fresh, otherwise less if you buy them from a store - you have no idea how

long they've been on the shelf before you bought them).  Roots/barks can go

for years - in fact, some barks shouldn't

be used for years (I've been trying to tell my dachshounds that - they use

their barks all day long).







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 09:37:31 -0700

--------

I need help (people tell me that all the time).  My daughter recently moved

to Everett, Wash (near Seattle).

I have her on an extensive herbal program for her Lupus.  She's having

difficulties finding a store that carries bulk herbs (preferrably Chinese).

Obviously, she can go to Seattle, but needs something a bit closer for

emergency things that I tell her to get (she misses dad's 'farmacy'

already).  If anyone knows of such a store, please let me know.  I sent a

3-month supply of her formulas along with her, but, she's already developed

some odd things not covered by them (she's only been there 2 weeks).  We'd

be most grateful.



Thanks in advance.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:38:38 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-13 11:39:08 EST, you write:



<< but needs something a bit closer for

 emergency things t >>

Dear Dad

   It's wonderful how you love and supprt your daughter. Let me suggest that

the internet and direct mail can bring thngs to her doorstep within a very

short time. Sorry to say that during the solar eclipse I lost all my URL's but

suspect you have qute a list of online suppliers of your own.

    Good luck to you both.

mjh







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: age of herbs

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:48:46 -0500

--------

To add to what has been said...



I tend to save everything until I can replace it with fresh.



Herbs, leaves, flowers, dried fleshy berries-generally, powdered have short

lives, ground or cut and sifted can last longer, but usually pretty gone in

a year, whole leaves might last a couple of years if stored correctly (cool,

dark, airtight glass).  Some (skullcap, Eyebright, have virtually no shelf

life (in my experience).



Seeds (including many spices), roots, barks last longer, when stored

properly.  I have had seeds sprout after 20 years, and barks potent for as

long...they were in airtight jars, rarely opened, and stored in cool, dark

cellar.  I would never have saved them this long, but they were

irreplaceable (seeds collected in my traveling days, barks now not available

from my local source).  Again, the more whole the form, the longer the life

span.



Joanie (the packrat, reformed by the freeing effects of fire)



>As for storage, leaves & flowers - up to nine months (if YOU pick them

>fresh, otherwise less if you buy them from a store - you have no idea how

>long they've been on the shelf before you bought them).  Roots/barks can go

>for years - in fact, some barks shouldn't

>be used for years (I've been trying to tell my dachshounds that - they use

>their barks all day long).







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: age of herbs

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 10:15:11 -0700

--------

>I tend to save everything until I can replace it with fresh.

Good place to add that outdated herbs (for medicinal purposes) can be

stuffed in a bag and added to bath water - although I wouldn't recommend a

sitz bath in cayenne (eek).



Good advice on the powdered - in fact, they lose their goodies so fast as

to make them almost worthless even for culinary purposes.  Which leads to

another form - storing for culinary purposes, they're usually all in

powdered form.  I replace them about every 6 months.  Always go to a herb

store that sells bulk herb.  Get an ounce, each - they're cheaper than

grocery markets and non-irradiated (a BIG no-no), plus you have virtually

NO idea how long they've been on the grocery market shelves.  If I want

curried something or other, I want to taste the curry powder, not some

ghost of it, the life having long ago escaped the can.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Maybe Tourette's?

From: Jill Rubadue <jlr@GRRTECH.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 08:56:01 -0800

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I hope some of you might be able to help here. This is regarding my son,

who is almost 9 years old. The last three years have been very tense for

him. I remarried and my ex (his father) hates my new husband. He then

began an insult campaign and filed for custody. It took three years to

get to court and get it resolved. He had our son tested by psychologists

probably six times hoping to find signs of abuse etc. The little guy has

really had a hard go of it with a conflict of loyalties etc. Anyway,

that was resolved in November. (I was awarded sole custody). A couple of

years ago he began having facial twitches. He would open and close his

jaw in a quick manner as though the muscles were tight and he was

stretching them. Then he replaced that with opening his eyes wide and

rolling them to one side looking as though maybe an eyelash was in his

eye. He had a vareity of little things he did. The psychologist we saw

said it was probably nervousness and after the court case it should go

away. They did go away however he now makes funny noises. Kind of like

squeaks, high pitched. Sometime he will shake his head when he does it.

He says it is just a bad habit. He doesn't do it all the time. But if we

are driving in the car he will do it a lot. He seems to do it mostly

inbetween activities. He seems to have too much energy. He doesn't like

to sit still to do homework or reading. His teacher doesn't feel he is

working at the level he could be. He races through his work which is

kind of sloppy. He has a very high IQ for what it's worth. But I am

really beginning to wonder whether this is due to nervousness which

herbs could certainly help, or if maybe he does have Tourettes. I saw a

show (20/20) recently about kids with Tourette's and apparently Dr.s

don't know why it begins, or how to deal with it. Does anyone have any

ideas? Any herbal suggestions? I deeply appreciate any and all

responses.



Thanks,

Jill







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Maybe Tourette's?

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:12:37 -0700

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>years ago he began having facial twitches. He would open and close his

>jaw in a quick manner as though the muscles were tight and he was

>stretching them. Then he replaced that with opening his eyes wide and

>rolling them to one side looking as though maybe an eyelash was in his



>away. They did go away however he now makes funny noises. Kind of like

>squeaks, high pitched. Sometime he will shake his head when he does it.



>kind of sloppy. He has a very high IQ for what it's worth. But I am

Fellow TCM'rs, is this not Internal Wind?  Or, Ayurvedic - Vata disorder?



If it were me (or some of the people I've worked with on similar things),

I'd make up a formula thusly:



Wild Oatstraw - 3 parts

Scullcap          - 2 parts

Valerian          - 1 part



I'd make a tincture out of it - 100gms herb mixture to 500mls ethanol  (80

proof Vodka ok) (or glycerite).

If I were an adult, I'd take 1 tsp, 3X's/day, if I had not yet reached

puberty, I'd take 1/2 tsp, 3X's/day.

I would also eat considerable amounts of whole grains - especially a bowl

of Oatmeal for breakfast (the real stuff, not the dead Quick Oats, or

zombie instant Oats).  I would also avoid brain stimulants - especially

chocolate.  I would also avoid sugars, looking

very carefully at labels (sugar is everywhere!).  I would avoid foods which

are drying to the body, instead looking for things that are moist or

somewhat oily (I would clarify butter making what is known as Ghee).



I'd also look for frequent hugs of reassurance from someone that loves me.

I may even consider going to an acupuncturist - they're very good at stuff

like this.



But, this is just me.  If I were you, I'd probably go see a herbalist

trained in TCM and/or Ayurvedic.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Maybe Tourette's?

From: Piet van de Donk <pvddonk@CUCI.NL>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 23:10:48 +0200

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At 11:12 13-03-98 -0700, you wrote:

>>years ago he began having facial twitches. He would open and close his

>>jaw in a quick manner as though the muscles were tight and he was

>>stretching them. Then he replaced that with opening his eyes wide and

>>rolling them to one side looking as though maybe an eyelash was in his

>

>>away. They did go away however he now makes funny noises. Kind of like

>>squeaks, high pitched. Sometime he will shake his head when he does it.

>

>>kind of sloppy. He has a very high IQ for what it's worth. But I am



Before using some specific herbs, I think you should have a thorough

diagnosis.

All symptompes you describe I recognise in a close relative. I thoughed it

was ADHD.

But he  was diagnosed with Tourette's. For 6 month now he takes a medicin.

The tics have vanished. The behaviour improved. Mail me for details if you

wish. Its a serieus matter.



Piet







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Maybe Tourette's?

From: SuzyQQt <SuzyQQt@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:00:42 EST

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i worked with a child who had tourettes but he was on medication and i never

observed any of the behaviors he had when he was not taking medication.  i

dont know where his behavior fell on the scale of mild to severe, but it was

controlled with medication.  i will be interested to hear of herbal approaches

also!  ;>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Maybe Tourette's?

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 00:18:22 EST

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In a message dated 98-03-13 13:19:29 EST, you write:



<< I would also avoid brain stimulants - especially

 chocolate. >>

and perhaps avoiid other neurotoxins like tomatoes, white potatoes, bell

peppers and eggplant.

mjh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: Sherm <sherman@OSWEGO.OSWEGO.EDU>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:02:06 -0500

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Hi,



My sister even though she has stopped smoking recently has a job drug test

coming up, she really needs this job and has already stopped smoking when

she moved back in the area (about a week ago)  but anyway, is there

anything that can rid her system quickly of the drug??  Or maybe something

that will confuse the drug test.  I know this smacks ilegallity and may

also be offensive but this is my sister and she needs this job to get back

on her feet and she truly has stopped smoking, so if anybody can help i

would greatly appreciate it Thank you.

Dan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: Tony Juhasz <juhasz@NORTEL.CA>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:49:00 EST

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In message "Help with a marijuana problem. . .", you write:



> Hi,

> 

> My sister even though she has stopped smoking recently has a job drug test

> coming up, she really needs this job and has already stopped smoking when

> she moved back in the area (about a week ago)  but anyway, is there

> anything that can rid her system quickly of the drug??  Or maybe something

> that will confuse the drug test.  I know this smacks ilegallity and may

> also be offensive but this is my sister and she needs this job to get back

> on her feet and she truly has stopped smoking, so if anybody can help i

> would greatly appreciate it Thank you.

> Dan

> 

THC is not tested for - it is the metabolite that resulted from breaking down the THC.

THC metabolites are stored in fat cells.  It is NOT disolved by water.  Heavy smokers might 

rid of THC quicker than others simply because of the rate of consumption, but the

trick is to increase your metabolism.  Body fat does matter.  Excercise is the best

way to increase metabolism. .  Your health food 

store might have metabolism increasers to help.  Increase the metabolism and then flush it right out. 

Drinking TONS of water helps flush  

out the THC from the bloodstream.  Drinking strong diuretics is HIGHLY recommended. 

Try Dandelion root, watermelon seed. 

When taking the test, drinks lots of water to dilute the urine.

That is the easiest.  Eat lots of red meat the night before to increase the creatine 

levels in the urine.  Since the water will dilute the urine, creatine will also dilute.

Red meat will raise that reading.  Also supplement your body with B complex that day to 

add yellow color back to your urine.  Thirty days is what is recommended for the average person.

I was a heavy smoker and did it within 10 days.  There was yet another ingredient 

which I used but hesitate to mention it in this reply to protect the vendor.  Email me personally and 

I'll give you the answer to the 1-2 hour solution.   Fiber: "THC is eliminated primarily in the stool via bile acids. Both EMIT and RIA detect a secondary metabolite

which is reabsorbed from the intestines. Thus a person with a high fiber diet will excrete a majority of THC

[metabolites] in the stool" (anon. toxicologist F1). 

look at : http://194.229.207.37/www/portland/bladder.html

or even better : http://www.csun.edu/~hbcsc096/dt/



Good luck







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: MARDI2GRAS <MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:58:23 EST

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4 or 5 days is usually sufficient time for a urine test we have a lot of

testing in massachusetts







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: HerbalIncl <HerbalIncl@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 18:12:25 EST

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In a message dated 3/13/98 5:22:00 PM, you wrote:



<<4 or 5 days is usually sufficient time for a urine test we have a lot of

testing in massachusetts

>>



Sorry, I disagree.  Marijuana, especially if smoked often (at least three

times a week or more) can and WILL stay in the system for up to two weeks,

sometimes as long as a month.



Pat







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: User276055 <User276055@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 20:44:27 EST

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In a message dated 98-03-13 12:03:58 EST, you write:



<<

 My sister even though she has stopped smoking recently has a job drug test

 coming up, she really needs this job and has already stopped smoking when

 she moved back in the area (about a week ago)  but anyway, is there

 anything that can rid her system quickly of the drug?? >>



I am almost certain that marijuana is not detected in a urine drug screen

after two weeks of abstinence.

 Regards,

Pat Constantine







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 21:39:19 -0500

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marijuana can be detected by a urine test at least two months after it was last smoked. i

know this from experience. i suppose you could try one or many of the blood purifiers,

but i'm not sure which would be best.



||

||In a message dated 98-03-13 12:03:58 EST, you write:

||

||<<

|| My sister even though she has stopped smoking recently has a job drug test

|| coming up, she really needs this job and has already stopped smoking when

|| she moved back in the area (about a week ago)  but anyway, is there

|| anything that can rid her system quickly of the drug?? >>

||

||I am almost certain that marijuana is not detected in a urine drug screen

||after two weeks of abstinence.

|| Regards,

||Pat Constantine

||







--

--

"My liver is bad, well--let it get worse!"

-dostoevsky







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: "Russell, Kenneth" <Thistle@CYBERSOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:42:44 -0500

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User276055 wrote:

>

> In a message dated 98-03-13 12:03:58 EST, you write:

>

> <<

>  My sister even though she has stopped smoking recently has a job drug test

>  coming up, she really needs this job and has already stopped smoking when

>  she moved back in the area (about a week ago)  but anyway, is there

>  anything that can rid her system quickly of the drug?? >>

>

> I am almost certain that marijuana is not detected in a urine drug screen

> after two weeks of abstinence.

>  Regards,

> Pat Constantine

Wrong-wrong-wrong.  Son came up positive after 4 weeks off.  There is

something you can get that will "cover up".  It's called  The Stuff.

He got it at an herb place.  Good for like 5 hours.  Said it wasn't

cheap.

Ken

--







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: Naomi Corey <ncorey@SOVER.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:05:55 -0500

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I have read that if your sister drinks LOTS of water -- LOTS AND LOTS, it

will flush the THC out of her system.  It will also lower her Creatin (sic)

levels as well.  There might not be any THC in her system, but the people

will know that she was flushing something.  They can't prove what however.

Also drinking a mixture of Dandelion, Burdock, and Licorice Root tea will

help as will Golden Seal capsules -- not sure how many a day.



Good Luck!



Naomi

-----Original Message-----

From: Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 9:39 PM

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .





>marijuana can be detected by a urine test at least two months after it was

last smoked. i

>know this from experience. i suppose you could try one or many of the blood

purifiers,

>but i'm not sure which would be best.

>

>||

>||In a message dated 98-03-13 12:03:58 EST, you write:

>||

>||<<

>|| My sister even though she has stopped smoking recently has a job drug

test

>|| coming up, she really needs this job and has already stopped smoking

when

>|| she moved back in the area (about a week ago)  but anyway, is there

>|| anything that can rid her system quickly of the drug?? >>

>||

>||I am almost certain that marijuana is not detected in a urine drug screen

>||after two weeks of abstinence.

>|| Regards,

>||Pat Constantine

>||

>

>

>

>--

>--

>"My liver is bad, well--let it get worse!"

>-dostoevsky

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: SuzyQQt <SuzyQQt@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 02:50:32 EST

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okok......go to a "head shop" and buy the herbal cleanser.....it will do the

trick, within the "window" of time......thats when you must pee  ;>

you know, i heard this trick, (and i never have  any need to test it)....but

the trick was to have scrapings of alka seltzer under your fingernails  and

that was the quantity to put in your urine.....) and you will get no positive

r eading......had a friend who was test  ed regularly and used this method

regularly and was never tested positive...(just heresay.....merely heresay,

folks...... i have no personal knowledge.....)

ok, then i had a phlebotomist Friend tell me that unless you have

50cc's...then they donot have enough solute to test the solvent.....so just

pee a little in the cup if you are in a bind, then flush your system/drink

lots of fluids.....and pee for them later  ;>





(is it possible to post anonymously?)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:03:31 -0800

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Sherm wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> My sister even though she has stopped smoking recently has a job drug test

> coming up, she really needs this job and has already stopped smoking when

> she moved back in the area (about a week ago)  but anyway, is there

> anything that can rid her system quickly of the drug??  Or maybe something

> that will confuse the drug test.  I know this smacks ilegallity and may

> also be offensive but this is my sister and she needs this job to get back

> on her feet and she truly has stopped smoking, so if anybody can help i

> would greatly appreciate it Thank you.

> Dan

Your sister would have to have some reason for the tested-for stuff to

be there, other than smoking Cannabis.  There was a recent posting by

NORML, where some guy was taking hempseed oil for the essential fatty

acids, and failed a drug test.  It is true that hempseed oil is high in

EFA's, and is found in most health food stores.  It is unfortunate that

the drug aspect of the plant has so overshadowed the great usefulness of

one of Nature's true gifts.

        A Sympathetic MD ;-)>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: Satsili <Satsili@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:26:41 EST

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There is a product sold at health food stores and head shops called UV Flush-

it comes in a variety of flavors and I have heard that it really works.  It's

only about $10.00 and is a tea.  Good luck!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:17:25 -0700

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>marijuana can be detected by a urine test at least two months after it was

last smoked. i

>know this from experience. i suppose you could try one or many of the

blood purifiers,

>but i'm not sure which would be best.



At the risk of being beat up over this, many a pot user has found Golden

Seal to be useful for this purpose.  I have young'ns that want to buy large

quantities of GS - considering the cost of their habit, plus the cost of GS

I guess their parents shower them with $$'s?

Anyway, if they want more than one ounce I tell them that I need a letter

from their parents saying it's o.k. and that they understand how it will be

used.  (I've never sold over 1 oz. under those circumstances, grin).







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:43:06 GMT

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On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:17:25 -0700, Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>>marijuana can be detected by a urine test at least two months after it was

>last smoked. i

>>know this from experience. i suppose you could try one or many of the

>blood purifiers,

>>but i'm not sure which would be best.

>

>At the risk of being beat up over this, many a pot user has found Golden

>Seal to be useful for this purpose.



Yep, you're going to get beaten up. Goldenseal has NO effect WHATSOEVER on tests

for pot.

In addition it is a severely endangered plant, so you might want to tell the

person(s) that told YOU that goldenseal helps that it doesn't.



It's a real waste of an herb that does have its uses. And if we don't stop the

wasting of the plant for things that it doesn't do squat for (Echinacea /

goldenseal tincture, anyone?) we'll soon have none left for the things it DOES

work for (long-lasting cough that's sat in the lungs for a while, where nothing

else helps).



Read Paul Bergner's book The healing power of Echinacea and Goldenseal for more

info.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:23:20 -0700

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Please respond to Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list

      <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>



To:   HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

cc:    (bcc: Tom Lamere/US/BULL)

Subject:  Re: Help with a marijuana problem. . .







>Seal to be useful for this purpose.

>Yep, you're going to get beaten up. Goldenseal has NO effect WHATSOEVER on

tests

>for pot.

>In addition it is a severely endangered plant, so you might want to tell

the

>person(s) that told YOU that goldenseal helps that it doesn't.



See: http://www.sageways.com/sageline/0896/goldense.html

The bottom line indicates that it may provide false readings.



>It's a real waste of an herb that does have its uses. And if we don't stop

the

>wasting of the plant for things that it doesn't do squat for (Echinacea /

>goldenseal tincture, anyone?) we'll soon have none left for the things it

DOES

>work for (long-lasting cough that's sat in the lungs for a while, where

nothing

>else helps).



I did NOT say that it *should* be used - in fact, I DID say that if a teen

wanted more than an ounce they had to provide me with a letter from their

parents indicating that it was o.k. to do so and that they understood what

it would be used for (false readings on the tests).

No teen ever presented me with such a letter, in fact, they never even

purchased the allowable ounce.

If you're going to jump on someone, make sure you fully understand the

intent!  To suggest that I violated the sacred trust of safeguarding this

endangered herb is unacceptable.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: newbie

From: Preston Porter <pcporter@PALMNET.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:11:10 -0500

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Hi, my name is Denise, and I'm new to your list.  I'm also brand new to

herbs and remedies.  I'm reaching middle age, and don't particularly

like what I see heading down the road.  I'm lacto-ovo vegetarian, and

looking for help getting started with herbs.  I'm a gardener, and plan

on growing as many of my own herbs as Florida weather permits.



Is there anyone out there who can help a newbie get started??  I live in

a small town where, for entertainment, many folks like to see how many

beer cans can be tossed into the back of a pick up truck cruising the

interstate at 70 miles an hour.  Of course, during the day, some of

these same individuals are responsible for launching rockets into

space.  Go figure. <g> Point being, there is not much in the way of

natural food and health stores in my area.



If someone could point me in the direction of a few good books, and a

few good web sites to get me started, I'd greatly appreciate it.



Thanks,



Denise







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:46:14 -0500

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Denise, you should start here --



http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed  at Henriette's Herbal Homepage.

(FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...)



Henriette is our listmom, and you can do no better than to start at her

site.

By the time you have gone through all her material, you should have quite a

pile of listmail waiting, and you can go on from there, or ask more specific

questions (especially to give us an idea of the type of books you seek).



Julia Morton has written books about Florida plants and their uses;  her

books should be available in your libraries-that's all I can think of in

relation to growing herbs in Florida (I am way up north).

Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







>Hi, my name is Denise, and I'm new to your list.  I'm also brand new to

>herbs and remedies.  I'm reaching middle age, and don't particularly

>like what I see heading down the road.  I'm lacto-ovo vegetarian, and

>looking for help getting started with herbs.  I'm a gardener, and plan

>on growing as many of my own herbs as Florida weather permits.

>

>Is there anyone out there who can help a newbie get started

>If someone could point me in the direction of a few good books, and a

>few good web sites to get me started, I'd greatly appreciate it.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:55:17 EST

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Denise there is a great book called Growing in Herbs and Spices in Fl By

Monica Moran Brandies.







            Laura







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:55:42 -0700

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>If someone could point me in the direction of a few good books, and a

>few good web sites to get me started, I'd greatly appreciate it.



Hi and WELCOME to the wonderful world of herbs!  You're probably going to

get dozens of replies to this request - each & every one of us have our own

favorites for newbies.  Mine are:



- Books:

  For men & women - "The New Holistic Herbal" by David Hoffman

  For men - "A Male Herbal for Men & Boys" - James Green

   (actually, I advise this for women, too - read it to your man, he

probably won't read

    it and/or can't read - too many sports on tv has probably destroyed the

part of the

    brain that knows how to read)



- Web sites:

  That's easy and I'm sure most of us would agree (if we want to stay on

the good side

   of Henriette - grin):



  http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/goodlink.html





All of the above are packed with further pointers to other books and/or

      websites.  There's a lot of 'stuff' out there, but some of it is as

      dry as the herbs we use (except for 'green' herbies, of course).  The

      above mentioned items will allow you to get your feet wet without

      overwhelming you all at once (you'll soon do that on your own).







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 12:35:48 -0700

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>Denise, you should start here --



Another good place to start is with Michael Moore's website (it's linked on

Henriette's page):



http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html



One look at the drawing of Michael and his, um, 'friend' at his homepage

tells you you're in for a bit of fun.  If one looks at his formula file one

learns how to make Rotgut Liniment, 'Speed' Fudge, etc.  For Denise's

benefit, Michael is known as 'the godfather of herbology in the US'.  Start

with him and you can't go wrong - start with his Speed Fudge and you'll

regret you did that, hehe.  He also provides a stockpile of links, books

and places to buy herbs (but, he's a 'green' herbalist so he really

discourages that).



BTW - his Rotgut Liniment is great for getting rid of ants, haven't been

brave enough to try it on my body (talk about stink! whew).  No, I wouldn't

dream of trying it on the neighbor's cat.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie/michael moore

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:06:51 -0500

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>Another good place to start is with Michael Moore's website (it's linked on

>Henriette's page):

>http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

<> Michael is known as 'the godfather of herbology in the US'.  Start

>with him and you can't go wrong -  He also provides a stockpile of links,

books

>and places to buy herbs (but, he's a 'green' herbalist so he really

>discourages that).





Michael may be green, but I used to spend hours talking with him in his

little herb shop in Santa Fe a couple of decades ago.  What a source of

information, in person and on the net! Awesome!

Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie/jim duke syllabus

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:27:05 -0500

--------

Another site that I have found to be an endless site (jumping off spot to

boundless piles of info) and amazing source of information on herbal and

ethnobotanical matters, by one of my very favorite people, is the site where

the syllabus to Jim Duke's UMaryland Medical Botany Course (this year's

class has already passed, boo-hoo) is found (take a breath, now).



I hesitate in giving this, because I was lost to the world for about a month

when I found this one (which I now have printed up and in a large looseleaf

notebook, along with Henrietta's FAQ and much of Michael Moore's

literature), and I'd hate to see anybody else on the list disappear...but,

do as you will...



http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Colleges/LFSC/life_sciences/.plant_biology/M

EDICAL_BOTANY/index.html



(one more reference to come)

Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie/jim duke syllabus

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:09:14 -0500

--------

the URL didn't work when it got back to me.  It is correct, but the last

part didn't get included in the address that is sent out. If this doesn't

work, just type the whole thing out-

http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Colleges/LFSC/life_sciences/.plant_biology/M

EDICAL_BOTANY/index.html



or



http://www.inform.umd.edu/EdRes/Colleges/LFSC/life_

sciences/.plant_biology/MEDICAL_BOTANY/index.html



Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie/jim duke syllabus

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 14:18:08 -0700

--------

>I hesitate in giving this, because I was lost to the world for about a

month

>when I found this one (which I now have printed up and in a large

looseleaf

>notebook, along with Henrietta's FAQ and much of Michael Moore's

>literature), and I'd hate to see anybody else on the list disappear...but,

>do as you will...

Groan - oh, no!  Did you HAVE to post that!?!?  I'm already reading seven

different books; trying to complete my TCM studies (is that possible?);

seeing clients; making brews for my dog's arthritis (poor lil guy - for

having to take my brews, not having the arthritis) - keep up with several

herb forums; now this new place for me to haunt!  The formula names are

right up my alley.  Thanks!  (I think).







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie/botanica erotica and more

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 15:44:36 -0500

--------

Below is a selection of offerings from a list of class notes from some of

Frontier Herb's HerbFest '97 seminars and workshops to be found at

 http://www.frontierherb.com/herbfest/97/notes/



There are more at the site, but I'll conserve space.  I encourage everyone

(even the grouchies) to check out Diane DeLuca's 'Botanica Erotica' first.

And to do what she says.



Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com



Clinical Evaluations: Assessing Your Client's Health Needs

7 song



Conserving Our Herbal Resources

Tim Blakley



Herbs and Ritual

Shatoiya de la Tour



Botanical Erotica for Women

Diana DeLuca



Using Flower Essences For Emotional Health and Well Being

Richard Katz & Patricia Kaminski



Herbs for Celebrations

Bertha Reppert







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pneumonia

From: Roseb44170 <Roseb44170@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:40:54 EST

--------

Here are some of the things that I have done:



First I drank plenty of orange juice, took aspirins every four hours.  Made

sure I kept myself warm (sometimes I even over-dressed so that I would sweat).

Hot soup (even broth is good).  Make sure your father gets a lot! of rest.

Also I found this great tea at the supermarket.  (Tea with honey is great too)

I forgot the name but it has the picture of bears on it.  There's a variety

there thats good for sore throats and the like.  Even though I'm younger than

your father I hope that some of this can help.



Be sure to monitor his temperature because if it goes any higher you should

take him to a doctor or a hospital.



I hope some of this helps



Rose

http://members.aol.com/Roseb44170/home.html

How did I get talked into this?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: pneumonia

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:33:18 EST

--------

Could it be the tea with the bears on it that you refer to is Sleepytime tea

or Honey Lemon and Chamomile, by Celestial Seasonings?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: newbie/jim duke syllabus/teas

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:47:52 -0500

--------

>Groan - oh, no!  Did you HAVE to post that<>  The formula names are

>right up my alley.  Thanks!  (I think).



You are welcome, Tom.  Formula names?  Ya mean like these ones?



SAY AHA! TO ACNE

LACKLUSTRE-LICKING-POT-LIKKER

SEEDS OF TRYPTOFANTASY

AROMARTHRADE.

Corny Anti-Pee Tea

(X LETHAL X): Flying Ointment

SAGaciTEA

ALL-SAINT'S TEA

ALTITUDE ADJUSTMENT CASUALTEA

ALZHEIMARETT

BIBLICAL BRAINFOOD SOUP

BLISTERINE

BUS-TEA

CHASTI-TEA.

COSMIC CAFFEINATOR

CRUCI-FIX

DEFYING GRAVE-TEA

DIABETIC'S DILEMADE

DYSPEPSIKOLA

FLATULADE

FRIGIDITEA

HAPPY HERPICIDE?



Have fun. Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Tendonitis in the feet

From: CWade99365 <CWade99365@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 16:58:34 EST

--------

Does anyone know of an herb for foot tendonitis.  I use to work out rigidly on

the Stair Master and cause injury to my feet.  I have had steroid shots and do

not wish to continue using steroids to keep the swelling down.



Any information would be greatly appreciated.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis in the feet

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 17:37:14 EST

--------

Licorice is worth a try, you may want to try Echinacea. They are both

recommended by James Duke in The Green Pharmacy.



       Laura







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis in the feet

From: Ilene Rachford <irachfrd@ERINET.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:37:30 -0500

--------

-----Original Message-----

From: CWade99365 <CWade99365@AOL.COM>

Date: Friday, March 13, 1998 4:58 PM

Subject: Tendonitis in the feet





>Does anyone know of an herb for foot tendonitis.  I use to work out rigidly

on

>the Stair Master and cause injury to my feet.  I have had steroid shots and

do

>not wish to continue using steroids to keep the swelling down.

>

>Any information would be greatly appreciated.



Try bromelain, on an empty stomach, 3xday. Helps wonderfully for swelling.



Ilene

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis in the feet

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:46:28 -0900

--------

At 04:58 PM 3/13/98 EST, you wrote:

>Does anyone know of an herb for foot tendonitis.  I use to work out

rigidly on

>the Stair Master and cause injury to my feet.  I have had steroid shots

and do

>not wish to continue using steroids to keep the swelling down.

>

>Any information would be greatly appreciated.

>

>

Using the Mullein Compress is helpful along with daily doses of

Calcium/magnesium.  You might find the recipe for Mullein compress on the

list archives.  I have found it helpful.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis in the feet

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 00:38:54 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-14 23:52:04 EST, you write:



<< Does anyone know of an herb for foot tendonitis.  I use to work out

 rigidly on

 >the Stair Master and cause injury to my feet.  I have had steroid shots

 and do

 >not wish to continue using steroids to keep the swelling down.

 >

 >Any information would be greatly appreciated.

 > >>



I ADD:



Please be sure of what your diagnosis is.  If you haven't seen a doctor, it

might well be plantar facitis which is a swelling in the foot area (mainly the

heel leading to the arch).  There are different things to do for different

ailments.  If it is tendonitis then Anita's suggestions are great - if it's

plantar Dr. Christopher's BFC (Bone, Fiber, Cartilage) formula is wonderful.

Use ice for the swelling and raise your foot when you can.  This can take up

to six months to get over as long as you don't reinjure it with too much

activity.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Tendonitis in the feet

From: CWade99365 <CWade99365@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:52:09 EST

--------

Thanks for the responses, they've been very helpful.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Unrelenting Cough

From: SJack48315 <SJack48315@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 01:46:18 EST

--------

Hi all,

Normally I'm just reading and learning, not talking, but tonight I am

desperate for help.  Every year, same time, I have an allergy attack.  Sinuses

clog, then drain, then I'm left with a dry, hacking cough that just won't

quit!  This year is the first that I've been on herbs instead of regular OTC

remedies, and I have made it this far without the usual sinus infection.  But

the cough is killing me!  I've been coughing for the last 1-1/2 hours!  Is

there anything natural that will suppress the cough reflex?  Like I said,

there's nothing to cough up, it's just a dry cough.  I'm tempted to go and

swallow the last of the prescription from last year that has codeine in it,

but I really don't want to.  Now mind you, I know nothing about making

tinctures, or going out and gathering wild herbs.  The health food store will

have to suffice.

If anyone can give me some help, then thank you so much!  I'm about to get

sick off of Robitussin cough drops (nci), the only relief I have.

Linda B.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Unrelenting Cough

From: Gordon Cable <gpcable@GTE.NET>

Date: Fri, 13 Mar 1998 22:44:50 -0800

--------

SJack48315 wrote:

>

> Hi all,

> Normally I'm just reading and learning, not talking, but tonight I am

> desperate for help.  Every year, same time, I have an allergy attack.  Sinuses

> clog, then drain, then I'm left with a dry, hacking cough that just won't

> quit!  This year is the first that I've been on herbs instead of regular OTC

> remedies, and I have made it this far without the usual sinus infection.  But

> the cough is killing me!  I've been coughing for the last 1-1/2 hours!  Is

> there anything natural that will suppress the cough reflex?  Like I said,

> there's nothing to cough up, it's just a dry cough.  I'm tempted to go and

> swallow the last of the prescription from last year that has codeine in it,

> but I really don't want to.  Now mind you, I know nothing about making

> tinctures, or going out and gathering wild herbs.  The health food store will

> have to suffice.

> If anyone can give me some help, then thank you so much!  I'm about to get

> sick off of Robitussin cough drops (nci), the only relief I have.

> Linda B.



Hello

Sounds pretty miserable, I've been there myself. I have found celestial

seasings new echinecea cough losenges to help break up the crud and

sooth my cough, but that's just me. Even the tea works great for me.

Hope I could help.

Blessings

Patsy







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Unrelenting Cough

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 06:17:10 EST

--------

Linda,,



  Since we are talking health food store, okay, go and get a bag of Celestial

Seasonings Herbal Throat Soothers. They have Honey, Lemon and chamomile or a

Golden Herbal Blend. We get that same hacking cough and these really seem to

work. The Golden Herbal blend has horehound in it, it makes the cough more

productive and helps to get rid of whatever is aggravating your lungs to make

them cough to begin with. Also, we boil a couple of pots of water and use

Eucalyptus Essential oil or even Peppermint

( they're at the health food store) put a couple of drops in the pot and make

a steam tent for yourself, becareful the Eucalyptus can take your breath away.

Switch the pots out as you loose steam. I do this for at least 15 minutes at a

time. It really seems to help all of us here, as we get the same thing you do.

It helps loosen everything up so you can get rid of it. Steam Tent being with

a Towel over your head while you and the pot are under the towel. You may want

to leave yourself a little opening to breathe with. Helps the kids when they

do it. Anyway, I am in no way a doctor, I can only tell you what has worked

for all of us here in the past. Hope it helps and if you start with a fever or

the cough doesn't stop you need to go to your health care provider.



    Laura







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Unrelenting Cough

From: Ltondreau <Ltondreau@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 19:45:14 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-14 01:46:55 EST, SJack48315@AOL.COM writes:



<<  Is there anything natural that will suppress the cough reflex?   >>



Try rubbing Tigar Balm on you throat, at least to relieve the soreness you are

experiencing.  Found in Chinese and Health stores, the ingredients include

cajeput oil, camphor, menthol and clove oil.



It has a great many uses.



Luecella







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Unrelenting Cough

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:12:34 -0900

--------

At 07:45 PM 3/14/98 EST, you wrote:

>In a message dated 98-03-14 01:46:55 EST, SJack48315@AOL.COM writes:

>

><<  Is there anything natural that will suppress the cough reflex?   >>

>

>Try rubbing Tigar Balm on you throat, at least to relieve the soreness you

are

>experiencing.  Found in Chinese and Health stores, the ingredients include

>cajeput oil, camphor, menthol and clove oil.

>

>It has a great many uses.

>

>Luecella

>

>

Loquat syrup is helpful, found at Chinese herb stores.  You can also use

Licorice fern root.  I just go get fresh root any time of year and chew on

it.  I made an especially effective cough syrup from Devil's Club, Licorice

fern root, Yarrow, Sitka valerian, in a honey syrup with a little brandy

for preservative.  It was the best thing for a tight dry cough I've ever

done.  The only problem was that I didn't make enough.  Everybody wanted some.

But to prevent the problem, you should examine WHY it happens when it does

with such regularity.  There's a pattern here.  Break the pattern and you

fix the problem.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Unrelenting Cough

From: Gordon Cable <gpcable@GTE.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 22:56:53 -0800

--------

Ltondreau wrote:

>

> In a message dated 98-03-14 01:46:55 EST, SJack48315@AOL.COM writes:

>

> <<  Is there anything natural that will suppress the cough reflex?

>>

>

> Try rubbing Tigar Balm on you throat, at least to relieve the soreness you are

> experiencing.  Found in Chinese and Health stores, the ingredients include

> cajeput oil, camphor, menthol and clove oil.

>

> It has a great many uses.

>

> Luecella



One thing that my mother always did for me, and I still use it for

myself and for my children, has been handed down many generations,

is the cold compress, at night.  I take a light wash cloth and wring

it out in cool, not ice cold, water. Fold it long and lay it inside

a light weight hand towel, then just wrap it around my neck. It's

kind of cool to begin with, but you get used to it quickly. Sure makes

for a better nights sleep. I've seen it quiet my children when nothing

else would.  Hope it helps.

Blessings

Patsy







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Unrelenting Cough

From: Ltondreau <Ltondreau@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:58:03 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-15 02:11:18 EST, gpcable@GTE.NET writes:



<< then just wrap it around my neck. It's

 kind of cool to begin with, but you get used to it quickly. Sure makes

 for a better nights sleep. I've seen it quiet my children when nothing

 else would.  >>



A friend from way back suggested this, too.  I thought it was nuts, at first

,BUT  it works.  Luecella







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: herb gardeners and culinary herbs

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:27:02 GMT

--------

Please note this list cannot take all the culinary herb and herb growing

traffic. As there is a good list for just that:



        o To subscribe, write

             + To: <herbs-l-request@q7.com>

             + Subject: <none>

             + Text: subscribe



you are kindly asked to move your herbal gardening and culinary discussions to

that list.



Thank you for your consideration.

Henriette, listmom.



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA: too much chatting...

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:27:37 GMT

--------

Before hitting your 'send' -button, ask yourself:

"Will 700+ people be interested in this, especially as they signed up to a

medicinal herblist?"

and if the answer is no or even maybe, then do NOT send your post to the list.



Thank you for your consideration.

Henriette, listmom.



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Hemmorhoids

From: Peny North <indigomoon@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:39:31 +0000

--------

My husband has had some rectal bleeding (very minor) for 3 days and he can feel some

discomfort indicating a hemmorhoid but it is internal, nowhere near the anus where

all the hemmorhoid products are easily used. Does anyone have some ideas of herbs or

anything to help this situation heal? Thanks very much.



Peny





>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hemmorhoids

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:04:51 -0900

--------

At 01:39 PM 3/14/98 +0000, you wrote:

>My husband has had some rectal bleeding (very minor) for 3 days and he can

feel some

>discomfort indicating a hemmorhoid but it is internal, nowhere near the

anus where

>all the hemmorhoid products are easily used. Does anyone have some ideas

of herbs or

>anything to help this situation heal? Thanks very much.

>

>Peny

>

>

>>

>

>

First of all make sure that hemorrhoids are indeed the problem.  There are

other problems that present themselves as rectal bleeding.  Get a good

diagnosis first.  If it is indeed hemorrhoids, you can do several things.

I'd first try just taking a capsule of Capsicum daily.  There are pessaries

you can make as well.  Make sure you attend to digestion and diet.

Exercise can help.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hemmorhoids

From: Mumbun <Mumbun@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 03:04:15 EST

--------

Have you tried a cool compress with essential oil of cypress?  This worked

well for me after birth -induced piles.



Amy







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hemmorhoids

From: Tslazyk <Tslazyk@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:19:17 EST

--------

Hemmorhoids are really vericose veins and the bleeding caused by a high regime

of aspirin or other blood thinners such as vinegar.  Three tbs of psylliam

with orange juice immediately after each meal and in a week the bleeding

should be gone.  Continue with the psylliam and you begin to lose weight.

Naturally, this should only be done with the blessing of your doctor.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hemmorhoids

From: Bekula <Bekula@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:12:27 EST

--------

Can someone tell me the difference between hemmorhoids and piles?



Thank you,

Jessyka Chompff

Bekula@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hemmorhoids

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:25:56 -0900

--------

At 12:12 AM 3/16/98 EST, you wrote:

>Can someone tell me the difference between hemmorhoids and piles?

>

>Thank you,

>Jessyka Chompff

>Bekula@aol.com

>

>

It's whatever your Mommy told you to call them.  In the Bible they are

called "emerods".  The poor Philistines can tell you all about them.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Hemmorhoids

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:26:46 -0700

--------

>My husband has had some rectal bleeding (very minor) for 3 days and he can

feel some

>discomfort indicating a hemmorhoid but it is internal, nowhere near the

anus where

>all the hemmorhoid products are easily used. Does anyone have some ideas

of herbs or

>anything to help this situation heal? Thanks very much.

Potatoes are commonly used in folk lore.  If using Idaho bakers, cutting to

french fry size is advisable.



Local native americans use ocotillo cactus - it is considered to be good

form to remove the spines, first.



Meantime, please determine cause.  If constipation, psyllium seeds/husks

      are very helpful and soothing.



Can use Metamucil, but that's just really expensive psyllium.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: St John's Wart and Dogs

From: Bert McGrath <b_mcgrath@UNHF.UNH.EDU>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 10:56:33 -0400

--------

Hi all,



        Can anyone point me to some info RE: giving SJWart to dogs to

enhance mood?



        I have been looking over www.altvetmed.com, but have not found

anything as yet.



                                        Thanks,



                                        Bert







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush; also Pau D'arco and Yeast

From: Roses9652 <Roses9652@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 12:45:44 EST

--------

Can a person take Pau D'arco alone if they suspect a systemic yeast infection?

If so, what amounts are to be used and are safe?







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cotton Root Bark & Labor

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 14:28:37 -0600

--------

Practioners & midwives & anyone else with experiece or primary information

on using Cotton Root Bark (Gossypium) for initiating labor. I have some

info. with it for various uterine exhaustion, hemorrhage, etc. but not for

initiating labor.



I wish to know EVERYTHING, however a few of the specific questions I have

are:

(1) what is an normal dose effective to initiate labor in a normal full

term pregnancy?

(2) Does effective dose raise the mother blood pressure?

(3) Any contraindications ....

(4) What would be considered excessive use.  As with pitocin, I am assuming

there is danger of uterine rupture with too much...

Please feel free to contact me privately if you feel that more appropriate.

KB











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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cotton Root Bark & Labor

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:07:18 -0600

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Thanks to all who sent info.  I have the little info on cotton root

available on Michael Moore's page, www.botanical.com and such available on

the internet.



In the South, Cotton Root Bark has a long history of use as an

abortifactant, to induce labor, birthaid in cases of hemmhorage and etc.

 Much of the info I have found or recieved is thirdperson (or more)

accounts of it's use by slaves.   I am told (again not first person) it is

still used by traditional southern midwives, especially in Alabama and

Louisiana.



What I am looking for is some first person experience, a study or two or

other primary sources of information.  Surely, with all the experience out

there on this list, somebody has or knows someone who has, or is aware of

documentation with some first person experience.

KB

















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Subject: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Tim Lees <tk84321@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:51:29 -0700

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could you tell me the full name of this person and any titles to his

books and or supplements for growing back tooth enamel?



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Subject: Re: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:18:55 -0600

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YOU WROTE:

could you tell me the full name of this person and any titles to his books

and or supplements for growing back tooth enamel?

 I ADD:

Dr. John Christoper, disceased, has many books to his credit.  He founded (

and has a book titled) The School of Natural Healing and his son continues

his work.

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Subject: Re: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Tim Lees <tk84321@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:31:39 -0700

--------

On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:18:55 -0600 Kathryn Bensinger

<kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US> writes:

>YOU WROTE:

>could you tell me the full name of this person and any titles to his

>books

>and or supplements for growing back tooth enamel?

> I ADD:

>Dr. John Christoper, disceased, has many books to his credit.  He

>founded (

>and has a book titled) The School of Natural Healing and his son

>continues

>his work.

>KB

>

Can someone tell me if supplements exist like this calcium formula?How

can i tell if the horsetail is young enough? Can I grow my own? Where can

i get seeds and how do i grow it?



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Subject: Re: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Scott and/or Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 16:50:43 +0000

--------

This is probably more appropriate as a private posting but I was unable to

discern the "final" sender of this message (Tim Lees?)



First, Horsetails of any species are not flowering plants and, as such, do

not produce seeds.  It is usually a matter of transplanting a few into an

area where you wish to grow them... as long as that area is relatively wet.

 I don't know what part of the country you are in, so it is difficult for

me to recommend specifically, but, if you would like to contact me

privately, I'd be happy to address your concerns.



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net







At 01:31 PM 3/15/98 -0700, Tim Lees wrote:

>On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:18:55 -0600 Kathryn Bensinger

><kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US> writes:

>>

>Can someone tell me if supplements exist like this calcium formula?How

>can i tell if the horsetail is young enough? Can I grow my own? Where can

>i get seeds and how do i grow it?







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Subject: Re: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:03:06 -0500

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>Can someone tell me if supplements exist like this calcium formula?



Yes- I have seen similar out there, but maybe not as good.



How

>can I tell if the horsetail is young enough?



Pick it in early spring, under 8 inches high, preferably when fertile forms

still stand.  Find a botanist.



>Can I grow my own?



If you have suitable soggy soil....



> Where can

>i get seeds and how do i grow it?



Well, it's like sensemilla....if you find seeds, you have been deceived.

Horsetail does not reproduce by seed, but by spore.....developed before the

seed bearing plants evolved, I believe.  Someone else on the list may sell

good young horsetail, or know of a good source...I do not.

Joanie







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Subject: Re: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: HERBALS <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 19:29:02 EST

--------

In a message dated 3/15/98 3:39:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, tk84321@JUNO.COM

writes:



<< How

 can i tell if the horsetail is young enough? Can I grow my own? Where can

 i get seeds and how do i grow it?

  >>

I cannot answer the ? about the horsetail being young enough because I have

not really been following the thread, but Equisetum is a genus of 29 species

of hardy, spore-bearing perennials that occurs worldwide except Australasia in

cool, damp places. E. arvense and E. hyemale are found in Europe, N. America,

and Asia.  Horsetails have hardly changed since prehistoric times, when they

formed a large part of the vegetation that decomposed to form coal seams.

Some species are pernicious weeds.  Once they have produced the conelike heads

from which the spores are shed, the fertile stems dies and are replaced by

sterile ones.



Other names for Equisetum arvense are field horsetail, bottlebrush, and

shavegrass.



It is a perennial with hairy, tuberous rhizome.  Upright, often branched,

sterile stems have black-toothed sheaths and whorls of spreading, green

branches.  The spores ripen in spring. It's height reaches 8-32 inches ( 20-80

cm).  Its spread is indefinite.



(from The Herb Society of America Encyclopedia of Herbs & Their Uses by Deni

Brown)



There is also a miniature horsetail..very cute, but harder to get enough plant

material.  It is used extensively as a source of silica.



It is also a very nice water garden plant...it loves wet places, and it is a

very attractive plant.



**Personal Note:  It is deadly to cattle.**



If you cannot find a source for it, post me privately.



Have a great HERBAL day,



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Subject: Re: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 06:45:24 -0800

--------

>could you tell me the full name of this person and any titles to his

>books and or supplements for growing back tooth enamel?





Dr. John R. Christopher wrote a number of books:



"The School of Natural Healing"

"Herbal Home Health Care"

"Every Woman's Herbal" (actually, Cathy Gileadi wrote the book after his

death, from his notes)



You can call: 1-800-372-8255 if you would like to buy the books (no

commercial gain for me).  Check your library or local health food stores to

look at the books.  The calcium formula can be found under the names of

"Calc-Tea", "Calctean", "Kid-E-Calc" and "CA-T".  If you can find formulas

by Nature's Way, you may find one of these formulas.  However, I'll warn

you that the first thing that Dr. C would have told you is to get off all

dairy products and sugar, as the sugar leaches calcium out of your system.



Good luck,

Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:27:58 -0700

--------

>**Personal Note:  It is deadly to cattle.**

With all due respect, should it not be mentioned that Horsetail should be

used with caution?

(because of its oxylic content)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: tendenitis

From: vic hlushak <vic_hlushak@BC.SYMPATICO.CA>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 13:38:02 -0800

--------

>My son, who is a chef, called tonite for herbal remedy advice re:

>tendonitis in his forearm.

>(all that chopping and cooking)  He had tried resting it in a splint for a

>few days while using ibuprophen - didn't work.



For tendenitis or my chronic bursitis I also reach for the turmeric.

Normally I add some ginger to it also. Works great, haven't used my super

duper anti-inflammatories for a long time.



TTYAL



vic







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Looking for book

From: Evie V V <EvieVV@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:47:46 EST

--------

I'm looking for a book that deals specifically with the combining of herbs.

For example, can I take SJW with Kava Kava?  That's not a real question, but

I've not been able to find a book dealing with this subject.



Thanks,

Evie

Evie V V@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Looking for book

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 20:05:03 -0500

--------

For a book on making herbal formulas, check Linda Rector Page's How to be

Your Own Herbal Pharmacist.  Michael Moore's web site lists herbs that

don't combine well.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 18:47:46 EST Evie V V <EvieVV@AOL.COM> writes:

>I'm looking for a book that deals specifically with the combining of

>herbs.

>For example, can I take SJW with Kava Kava?  That's not a real

>question, but

>I've not been able to find a book dealing with this subject.

>

>Thanks,

>Evie

>Evie V V@aol.com

>



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Subject: Re: Dandelions & roots

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:32:00 -0500

--------

>Dandelion wine is the best, but you need a gallon of flowers for

>each gallon of water. That is a lot of dandelions.



Is this something that can be done easily at home, or does it

require complicated equipment?  I am sure I can find lots of

flowers :-)  Are there medicinal properties to the wine? If there

are instructions, please post. thanks.



claudia, catching up on email :-)

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Subject: Re: Dandelions & roots

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:28:24 -0500

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<meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET> writes:

>>Dandelion wine is the best, but you need a gallon of flowers for

>>each gallon of water. That is a lot of dandelions.

>

>Is this something that can be done easily at home, or does it

>require complicated equipment?  I am sure I can find lots of

>flowers :-)  Are there medicinal properties to the wine? If there

>are instructions, please post. thanks.

>

Other than a gallon bottle, a fermentation lock (or large balloon to go

over the top of the bottle) and some plastic tubing from the pet store to

decant the wine without disturbing the sediment, no special equipment is

needed.  As a teenager I used to have bottles of various wines

(dandelion, rose petal, blackberry "bounce") from my historic cookbooks

going.  My dandelion wine had, alas, green stuff attached to the bases of

the flowers and came out bitter, but smelled like liquid sunshine.

Subsequent batches imporved upon the original, but didn't improve upon

the excitement.



Even grape wine has medicinal properties, in moderation.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: US Rules

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Sat, 14 Mar 1998 21:47:26 -0500

--------

 >I've labeled myself as an consultant.  Have been concerned and thank

you

 >pointing out possible problems.



I have called myself an "Herbal Educator" for years - am about to

get a certification in nutritional counseling so can add a couple little



letters after my name, but think I'll keep the "Herbal Educator"

on there as well...maybe...unless someone has a better idea.



claudia:-)

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: buttercups

From: izzie <izzie@CVN.NET>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 10:44:13 -0500

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Are there any medicinal uses for buttercups? Elaine







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: buttercups

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:46:49 -0600

--------

YOU WROTE:

Are there any medicinal uses for buttercups? Elaine



I ADD:

Are you refering to the spring flowering bulbs aka daffodils (Narssius) or the other buttercups (Ranunculus sp.)??

either way they are both toxic.

Buttercup tidbit:  large stands of Ranunculus in field or pasture are a sign of poor drainage and sour soil.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: buttercups

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:09:37 -0700

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>Are there any medicinal uses for buttercups? Elaine





This begs for a definition of 'medicinal'.  Go here ("A Modern Herbal") for

      gory



details: http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/b/butcup97.html



Suggested use: admire in field, rub on nose for beauty, use internally with

      great care.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: buttercups

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:14:34 -0900

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At 10:44 AM 3/15/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Are there any medicinal uses for buttercups? Elaine

>

>

No they are toxic!  Do NOT use most plants from the family Ranunculus.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Datura

From: Amanda Reeves <alr@IO.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 11:18:13 -0600

--------

There is a horror story from the Anthropology Dept at SWT in San Marcos,

Texas about a group of students that decided to make a "brew" of Datura.

This was many years ago and several never fully recovered! Some never

really came back at all. For more info, I can get the e-mail of the

professor that teaches "Magic, Ritual and Religion" and we could get his

follow-up on the people.



Amanda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Datura

From: Amanda Reeves <alr@IO.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 07:15:56 -0600

--------

Sure.



It's professor James Garner, Anthropology, Southwest Texas State

University. His e-mail is:



        JG07@swt.edu



He always relates the story of the kids at SWT that "freaked out" on Datura

in the hallucinogenic drug portion of his "Magic, Ritual and Religion"

class. If you don't get him, let me know and I'll post the story as I

remember it.



Amanda



---------------------------------------------------------

> "...I can get the e-mail of the

> > professor that teaches "Magic, Ritual and Religion" and we could get

his

> > follow-up on the people...."

>

> would you please and then post it?  I am interested in what happened and

> maybe others are also.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Loretta Tyson







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Subject: Re: edible plants question...

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 13:38:35 -0600

--------

YOU WROTE:

Are dafodils edible?  If not, what's the active agent(s) and etiology?



I ADD:

Poisons by Vincent Brooks, 3rd edition, which lists common poisonous plants

and the toxic part, states that the BULBS are toxic.



The Canada Poisonous Plant Information System

(http://www.ednet.ns.ca/educ/museum/buttcup.htm) states " This plant

contains allergens in the above grown parts, which cause dermatits in

sensetive humans.  Ingesting the bulbs can cause poisoning in humans...."



Then under otes on toxic chemicals it states, " The bulbs contain oxalate

crystals as well as an alkaloid lycorine...."

symptoms of poisoning listed for humans are:  dizziness, eczema, erythema,

nausea flushed skin, vomiting.  More severe symptoms are rare because of

rapid emisis.



KB

- and in cattle: gastroenteritis and convulsions





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: edible plants question...

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:03:53 -0700

--------

>I've meandered through my reference library, but damn if I can find this

>answer:  Are dafodils edible?  If not, what's the active agent(s) and

>etiology?

Probably not a good idea to eat it as a food - it is emetic and poisonous

(narcissine being the culprit).

It is valuable for for external use, though.  Go to the on-line version of

"A Modern Herbal", M. Grieves, for in-depth details.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Devils Claw

From: Mystic6197 <Mystic6197@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 15:04:23 EST

--------

Does anyone know about Devils Claw?  I am writing a paper and am having a hard

time finding info about it.  I need to know where and how it grows, medicinal

properties including Chinese catagories it is in and anything else you know.

Thanks!

Victoria







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Devils Claw

From: Scott and/or Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 17:21:49 +0000

--------

At 03:04 PM 3/15/98 EST, you wrote:

>Does anyone know about Devils Claw?  I am writing a paper and am having a

hard

>time finding info about it.  I need to know where and how it grows, medicinal

>properties including Chinese catagories it is in and anything else you know.

>Thanks!

>Victoria

>

>Try searching the internet under herbs and phytochemicals.  A good source

might be The Southwest School of Botanical Medicine

http://chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/   The html code I don't recall,

but this should get you there. If not, just enter the title in a search

window.  I believe the latin name is harpagophytum.  It is becoming rare

from overharvesting for its anti-inflammatory properties.  For Chinese

categories, try Michael Tierra's book, Planetary Herbology, which should

give you the energetics based in Chinese medicine.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Beer Hops news article

From: JanieSue56 <JanieSue56@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:12:53 EST

--------

.c The Associated Press



 CORVALLIS, Ore. (AP) - Compounds found in the plant called hops, used to

flavor and preserve beer, may help protect against cancer, researchers say.



Studies indicated the compounds, called flavonoids, helped inhibit an enzyme

called cytochrome P450 that can activate the cancer process.



Oregon State University scientists also found that some of the flavonoids

helped enhance the impact of a class of enzymes, called quinone reductase,

that can block cancer-causing substances that already have been activated.



``We treated human breast, colon and ovarian cells that were cancerous with

concentrations (of flavonoids) that were not harmful to normal cells and found

that some of the hops flavonoids were toxic to cancer cells,'' said Donald

Buhler, an agricultural chemist and lead researcher.



The substance in the hops flavonoids most toxic to cancer cells is named

xanthohumol, he said.



Buhler warned the research should not be used to endorse more beer

consumption. ``I wouldn't encourage people to drink more,'' he said.



``Obviously there's a downside to drinking. But these results are really

interesting. If these things really prove to be beneficial it might be

possible to find a way to get them to people in capsules or some other

concentrated form.''



His findings recently were reported in Seattle at the annual meeting of the

international Society of Toxicology.



The report came as Oregon farmers considered a ban on hop imports from

Washington state's Yakima Valley to protect from a potentially devastating

mildew disease.



Sean McGee, director of Hop Growers of America, based in Yakima, Wash., said

Northwest hop-producing regions were free of powdery mildew until a strain of

the disease struck Washington last year.



In 1993 state agriculture departments in Oregon, Washington and Idaho imposed

quarantines on hops imports to prevent powdery mildew from infecting the

Northwest, which now produces virtually all of the hops grown in the United

States.



Ann George of the Washington Hop Commission said the disease wiped out the

East Coast hop industry decades ago and has been known to cause crop losses as

high as 80 percent in Europe.



AP-NY-03-15-98 0719EST



 Copyright 1997 The Associated Press.  The information  contained in the AP

news report may not be published,  broadcast, rewritten or otherwise

distributed without  prior written authority of The Associated Press.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Beer Hops news article

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 13:15:34 -0700

--------

>Buhler warned the research should not be used to endorse more beer

>consumption. ``I wouldn't encourage people to drink more,'' he said.

``Obviously there's a downside to drinking. But these results are really

Hops is known to reduce libido in males, and/or make one more depressed.

The two combined probably resulted in the ole saying:

"crying in his beer".  Back in Victorian days, the men slipped women "Lad's

Love" - this herb delays menses, whereas the women slipped the men Hops (or

Passion Flower which has the reverse effect on men from women).  And, you

thought your great grand-parents didn't know nothing about sex, eh?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fw: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Bill Winston <b.winston@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Sun, 15 Mar 1998 20:47:45 -0500

--------

David Christopher is associated with The Herb Shop at 188 South Main, P. O.

Box 777, Springville, Utah 84663, 1-800-453-1406 (nci).  They carry many of

his father's formulas already made up.



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> From: Tim Lees <tk84321@JUNO.COM>

> To:

> Subject: Re: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

> Date: Sunday, March 15, 1998 3:31 PM

>

> On Sat, 14 Mar 1998 16:18:55 -0600 Kathryn Bensinger

> <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US> writes:

> >YOU WROTE:

> >could you tell me the full name of this person and any titles to his

> >books

> >and or supplements for growing back tooth enamel?

> > I ADD:

> >Dr. John Christoper, disceased, has many books to his credit.  He

> >founded (

> >and has a book titled) The School of Natural Healing and his son

> >continues

> >his work.

> >KB

> >

> Can someone tell me if supplements exist like this calcium formula?How

> can i tell if the horsetail is young enough? Can I grow my own? Where can

> i get seeds and how do i grow it?

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fw: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Tim Lees <tk84321@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 18:27:28 -0700

--------

How long does it take to grow back enamel? How much do i need to limit my

intake of sweets and milk and for how long?



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fw: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Gordon Cable <gpcable@GTE.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 09:29:34 -0800

--------

Tim Lees wrote:

>

> How long does it take to grow back enamel? How much do i need to limit my

> intake of sweets and milk and for how long?

>

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I'd say you could eliminate milk and sweets from your diet indefinitely.

Neither one contributes to "good health", and neither is nessesry.

Refined, processd foods are bad for our long term health.

Just my opinion, I feel great! without them.

Blessings  Patsy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fw: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:47:00 -0700

--------

>How long does it take to grow back enamel? How much do i need to limit my

>intake of sweets and milk and for how long?



Don't know, zero and permanently would be a good place to start.

Look to alternatives, discover the natural sweetness of whole grains, etc.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fw: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:31:11 -0800

--------

>kimmer wrote:

>>

>> you have NOTHING to worry about, dude!

>>

>> real ice cream rules forever.......

>>

>> kimmer

>>

>> JOberbroec wrote:

>>

>> > eliminate dairy products forever?  :(   As a dairy farmer those words

>>make me

>> > nervous.  I think I know how the texas cattle ranchers felt watching Oprah.

>> > :-)  Just wanted to say that.  No offense to anyone.  Lisa

>

>Sorry I didn't meen to offend anyone, or your livelyhood. My body just

>won't tolerate it in any form, nor my childrens. But I was raised on

>whole fresh cows milk from down the road. Tillamook cheese, the works!

>It's taken me years to adapt to all this. But we seem to function quite

>well without it. I didn't think there was anything to eat for along

>time. And I do believe that dairy products can contribute to conjestion,

>when you have a cold.

>Blessings BTW I miss the ice cream too.

>Patsy





I LOVE ice cream, but it doesn't love me.  I get diarrhea after eating it.

About 6 years ago, we cut dairy out of our diet because our two sons,

adopted from Korea, are both intolerant.  We have found substitutes for

just about everything, including ice cream!  The boys have a hot cocoa

substitute to take on camping trips made from soy milk, we have soy milk or

cashew milk for cereal and cooking, and we have Rice Dream ice cream for

dessert.  The most difficult thing is cheese... you can get almond-milk or

soy cheese, but I haven't found one that doesn't have the casein in it.

That seems to be the cause of the problems.  But, since dairy isn't a

regular part of the diet, we get a pizza once a month, or eat at a Mexican

restaurant (lots of cheese there).



We are the only species that I can think of that uses milk after weaning!

Milk is the perfect food for growing babies, but is not a perfect food for

grown systems - especially with all the steps it goes thru from cow to the

table!  If you drank milk just as it came from the cow (we did that for 1.5

yrs.), then you'd at least be getting the enzymes that help you digest the

milk.  However, there are health issues to be considered with raw milk.

There are so many problems with drinking milk that I don't know where to

begin.  The calcium everyone thinks they are getting from their milk isn't

really absorbed by our bodies because of the processing of the milk and the

amount of milk sugar in milk... milk is alkalinizing to the stomach, where

there should be acid for digestion... milk is very mucous forming... the

best wood glue is made from milk, so what does it do to our insides?  etc.,

etc., etc....  There are two good books about it...  "The Milk of Human

Kindness is Not Pasturized" and "Don't Drink Your Milk".  They explain

better than I can about the problems.



We get along very nicely without milk.  However, as a dairy farmer, I can

see that there might be a concern.  I can't help you with that... sorry.  I

just know that my whole family does better without milk - Asians and

Caucasians!



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA - was Re: Devils Claw

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 05:26:27 GMT

--------

On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 00:09:35 EST, Mystic6197 <Mystic6197@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Scott and Aliceann- Thanks for the info on how to find out about Devils Claw



I'm not picking on you, Mystic - this goes for all of you:



This is the kind of post where, when you ask yourself if 800+ people need to

read it, the answer is NO; thus, private email, not the full list.



Thank you for your consideration

Henriette, listmom.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem

From: Kyria Abrahams <kyria@SPINNERS.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:29:43 -0500

--------

Try checking the Hyperreal site, or Disinformation. There's a lot of

drug-related web sites. I know there are certain tricks such as putting

Drano in the urine sample...if you do a search on marijuana, or the

marijuana FAQ, you'll definitely find some more concrete info.



- K



"I must make you into a credible wig maker...and quickly!"







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem

From: Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 19:43:44 -0500

--------

As far as I can tell, having a drug in your bloodstream can be a

burdensome thing, not only legally but also psychologically and

mentally.  I have often wanted to know what could rid my system of

hindering substances (not necessarily illegal...I have found the side

products of alcohol burdensome). I think that you are not seeing the

situation fully.



||

||Hi,

||I've been monitoring your list for sometime. I have found most of the

||information very informative, but

||what does disguising illegal drugs in urine tests and other such muses have

||to do with medicinal

||plants and their discussion? I was under the impression that your lists was

||for true medicinal articles.

||********

||Stephannie Spicer

||"As man is, God once was.  As God is, man may become."

||http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Meadows/1680/

||mailto:spicer@redriverok.com

||-----Original Message-----

||From: Kyria Abrahams <kyria@SPINNERS.COM>

||To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

||Date: Monday, March 16, 1998 8:22 AM

||Subject: Re: Help with a marijuana problem

||

||

||>Try checking the Hyperreal site, or Disinformation. There's a lot of

||>drug-related web sites. I know there are certain tricks such as putting

||>Drano in the urine sample...if you do a search on marijuana, or the

||>marijuana FAQ, you'll definitely find some more concrete info.

||







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Unrelenting Cough/ syrup

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:49:42 -0500

--------

Anita-

>I made an especially effective cough syrup from Devil's Club, Licorice

>fern root, Yarrow, Sitka valerian, in a honey syrup with a little brandy

>for preservative.  It was the best thing for a tight dry cough I've ever

>done.  The only problem was that I didn't make enough.



Was this a slow-cooked fresh roots in water with honey and brandy added-

type syrup?  Or a brandy tincture sweetened with honey? Or herb-infused

honey?



BTW, I've been making variations on your "kyolic" recepie, and added

organic orange peel, more juniper berries and a few ounces of glycerine

to counteract the low proof alcohol we have available in NYS.  The

children will even take it without undue complaining! (They view herbal

medicine as a type of maternal torture.)



Karen Vaughan

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Unrelenting Cough/ syrup

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 15:29:35 -0900

--------

At 08:49 AM 3/16/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Anita-

>>I made an especially effective cough syrup from Devil's Club, Licorice

>>fern root, Yarrow, Sitka valerian, in a honey syrup with a little brandy

>>for preservative.  It was the best thing for a tight dry cough I've ever

>>done.  The only problem was that I didn't make enough.

>

>Was this a slow-cooked fresh roots in water with honey and brandy added-

Bingo!!



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Relationships with Herbs

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:12:07 -0700

--------

During my journey into herbology I oft encounter the phrase "one cannot be

at using a herb unless one establishes a relationship with the herb".  No

advice offered on how one goes about establishing said relationship.

Here's some examples that I've had - don't know if they apply or not.



As a boy, a friend of mine & I went skinny dipping in a nearby pond (boys

will be boys).

Lots of weeds surrounded it, stinging nettles seemed to have an affinity

for me, poison ivy had an affinity for my friend.  To this day, when I

effectively deploy nettles against tinnitus & vertigo, I get nervous around

it.  In both cases, the herbs contacted places that made life miserable but

couldn't seek help from Mom (there are some things you just can't tell

Mom!).



As boys grow older, and can't explain such things to one's SO, etc., they

typically grow out of that phase.

Some do not, and establish yet another relationship with other kinds of

herbs.



e.g., a friend of mine and his friend were frolicking, nekkid, in the

desert.  They had an encounter with Jumping Cholla (a miserable cactus with

fish hook type spines).  They soon had spines in their butt, and other

places.  Needed to drive to ER (I giggle every time I conjure up image of

posture(s) needed to do that).  The attending nurse & MD performed a

"spinectomy" on them, never asking how they managed to do that, but their

smirks and grins betrayed imaginations run wild.



They then came to me for some of my soothing salve (never gave it a name so

people just call it 'green snot' - harumph).  My guffaws added to their

embarrassment - I really need to work on my bedside manner.  They still

frolic, but in a safer environment, they clearly established enormous

respect and a fearful relationship with that herb.



What has been your experience with establishing a relationship with

herb(s)?  When do you feel that you feel worthy enough to deploy it against

dis-ease?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush and Nurses

From: CARLA <maeflower@SOFTHOME.NET>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 09:47:03 -0800

--------

In regards to Thrush and the Nurses.



According to the book "The Yeast Syndrome" by John Parks Trowbridge, M.D.

and Morton Walker, D.P.M., the yeast candidas albicans is responsible for

many ailments, i.e. acne, ALLERGIES, constipation, depression, fatigue,

headaches, PMS, recurrent vaginits, etc.  When too many antibiotics are

taken the yeast takes over.



Perhaps for the Nurses it is not "all" the drug dusts, but the antibiotics

that are so frequently dolled out in the hospitals.  Maybe treating the

nurses with Pau D'Arco for a week or so and seeing how they feel.  The book

recommend using primrose oil, but Pau D'Arco sounds like a wonderful choice.



I do suggest reading the book, it is very interesting.  They have many

studies and articals on c. albicans.  It would be worth looking into.



Maeflower







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thrush and Nurses

From: Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 07:44:25 -0700

--------

>Perhaps for the Nurses it is not "all" the drug dusts, but the antibiotics

>that are so frequently dolled out in the hospitals.  Maybe treating the

>nurses with Pau D'Arco for a week or so and seeing how they feel.  The

book

>recommend using primrose oil, but Pau D'Arco sounds like a wonderful

choice.



I contacted the nurse in question and discussed the findings with her - she

was stunned -

distinctly remembered that all of this started about a year after becoming

a nurse, working on a ward in a mental institution.  Same for her mother.

She then talked to other nurses that are dealing with much the same problem

- same results.  One of them is being treated via homeopathy and doing much

better.  We've all agreed that, initially, elimination therapy plus

alteratives, is needed.  From there we can move to such things as Pau

D'Arco, etc.

If they also dole out antibiotics then Pau D'Arco would certainly be

helpful.  BTW - for those that don't quite understand the link here - women

are more prone to thrush because they are cold natured (but, very warm

hearts) to start with.  Antibiotics are also very cold.  Two colds together

are a perfect setup for any sort of yeast infection.  Men are usually warm

natured (but, cold hearts?) hence antibiotics usually work better on them -

at least more quickly.  They are more prone to throwing off disease than

catching it - more prone to acute disease, whereas women are more prone to

chronic disease.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Is it Ditney of Crete?

From: "William M. Groth" <groth@RICE.EDU>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 11:56:57 -0600

--------

Hello all,



I recently found a wonderful little plant with succulent type leaves.  The

leaves

are only about 3/4 inch in diameter and they are somewhat green and fuzzy.

The

people at the local nursery said they believed it was a Kalanchoe but I

wonder.

The leaves are very aromatic with a spicy-minty aroma and they said it is

called

"Menthol" in the trade.  I also have a thriving Ditney of Crete and these two

plants look almost identical.  The newer one has a more upright character

at the

moment and the leaves on the older plant are a little shinier.  Otherwise they

are virtually identical.  Is there a dwarf type Kalanchoe which is aromatic?

Is there a possibility that Ditney of Crete would be considered a succulent?

What are your thoughts?

______________________________________________________________________



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       groth@ruf.rice.edu

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       Internal Audit Department

       phone: (713) 527-8101 ext.3759

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herb History Trivia Game 6

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 17:36:05 EST

--------

Dr. Benjamin Barton devoted a half-dozen pages to an herb in his brief

compendium of 59 indigenous remedies in the 18th century. This particular herb

was used by northern Indians for fever and was identified so much with them

that white settlers called it "Indian sage". It was reported useful in

preventing recurrences of paroxysms in intermittent fever and also combating

the yellow fever epidemic of 1793 in Philadelphia. The "James River ringworm"

and herpes in Virginia also was reported responsive to it. Every writer on

American materia medica in the late 18th  and 19th century extolled the powers

of this herb  ....it was used as an emetic purgative and diaphoretic and

recommended as a decoction (in addition to fever) for arthritis, rheumatism,

and gout. What was the name of this herb??





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herb History Trivia Game 6

From: horvath geza <horvath@PETINDIGO.ATOMKI.HU>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:09:52 +0100

--------

This plant is Eupatorium perfoliatum,

            common names: Bonesset,

                                      Eupatoire Perfoliee

                                      Eupatorio

                                      Hempweed

                                      Indian Sage

                                      Thoroughwort

                                      Tse Lan

                                      Wasserdost

                                      Waterdost

Greetings: G. Horvath

Elfreem wrote:



> Dr. Benjamin Barton devoted a half-dozen pages to an herb in his brief

> compendium of 59 indigenous remedies in the 18th century. This particular herb

> was used by northern Indians for fever and was identified so much with them

> that white settlers called it "Indian sage". It was reported useful in

> preventing recurrences of paroxysms in intermittent fever and also combating

> the yellow fever epidemic of 1793 in Philadelphia. The "James River ringworm"

> and herpes in Virginia also was reported responsive to it. Every writer on

> American materia medica in the late 18th  and 19th century extolled the powers

> of this herb  ....it was used as an emetic purgative and diaphoretic and

> recommended as a decoction (in addition to fever) for arthritis, rheumatism,

> and gout. What was the name of this herb??

>

> Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

> Midwest Shared Newsletter

> Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists

>

> (contact me at Elfreem@aol.com to subscribe to an upcoming herb/nutrition

> newsletter that will be free for the first 6 months)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Looking for book / another question please

From: MARDI2GRAS <MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 16 Mar 1998 23:10:06 EST

--------

I also am interested in Kava, can you take it with antidepressants? Such as

paxil? I read on the bottle don't take with tranquilisters, and anti

depressants. thanks Debra







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Kudzu, sprawling weed website

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:17:21 -0500

--------

I heard on National public radio a bit of trivia on a science show that

stumped the scientists...kudzu is being found to act as a sort of

'antabuse', a medicine which, when ingested, causes drinkers to develop a

distaste for the devil alcohol.



In my mail today, I, find another reference to this-



>Research with laboratory animals at Harvard Medical School has revealed

that a drug >extracted from kudzu root may help in the treatment of

alcoholism. The drug is based on a >2,000 year old Chinese herbal medicine.



This is from a  site that Alabama Public TV has put up on the web..it is

informative and well illustrated, though does not cover the medicinal aspect

in the depth that I would prefer...but worth checking out, anyway,

especially for those in the warmer latitudes of the U.S. where this

sprawling immigrant is covering and taking over the landscape.



Here- (from PBS previews)

>THE AMAZING STORY OF KUDZU

APT - Birmingham, Alabama

Learn more about kudzu -- the fast-growing vine that

covers seven million acres of the deep South -- with

this informative site from Alabama Public Television.

Discover how kudzu was introduced to the United

States, learn the many uses for this plant --

including a kudzu tea recipe -- and much more.

     http://www.cptr.ua.edu/kudzu.htm

*******************************************

Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Horsetail, was: Re: Dr. Christophers Calicum macphee?

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:58:49 GMT

--------

On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 08:27:58 -0700, Thomas LaMere <Tom.Lamere@BULL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>>**Personal Note:  It is deadly to cattle.**

>With all due respect, should it not be mentioned that Horsetail should be

>used with caution?

>(because of its oxylic content)



As far as I know horsetail (Equisetum) has no oxalic acid content.

Compare the taste of Equisetum with oxalic acid plants, like Oxalis spp.

(hareclover? foxclover? can't say what the English name is), Rumex spp. (docks,

eg. yellow dock), rhubarb stems... -very- different. Equisetum just has no

strong taste.



It does contain a lot of silica; that means it's good for you if you're

recovering from something (eg. the flu), if it's boiled, steeped and drunk as a

tea as soon as cool enough.



In Europe we only pick the Equisetum arvense as E.pratense and others are

considered slightly toxic. This MAY be due to their growing conditions, and MAY

be due to the growing conditions of the plants tested way back when - if

Equisetums grow in too nitrate-rich soil they can become slightly uncomfortable

to use.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herb history game trivia reply

From: User276055 <User276055@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:35:15 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-17 02:15:18 EST, you write:



<< it was used as an emetic purgative and diaphoretic and

 recommended as a decoction (in addition to fever) for arthritis, rheumatism,

 and gout. What was the name of this herb??

  >>



Could this be Boneset?  (Eupatorium perfoliatum).  The one Varro Tyler calls

"an outdated, bad tasting, worthless fraud"?  But I have heard and read that

the American settlers relied heavily on it for all sorts of ailments and

diseases. Especially for fevers in children. I still like it even though Varro

doesn't.



Thanks for the question Elliott

Regards,

Pat Constantine

User276055







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: teeth, horsetail, kudzu, wild and trivial, etc.

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 10:46:50 -0500

--------

Several topics, as I have not enough to say on each to warrant (IMHO)

separate postings.



Tim Lees asked-



>How long does it take to grow back enamel?



I do not know the answer to this- I just know that it has been reported that

it is being done in India, and previous posts have provided other

references.



>How much do I need to limit my

>intake of sweets and milk and for how long?



This question also is unanswerable - it is different for everyone.  I am

very sensitive to sweets; my teeth can rarely tolerate them - I rarely drink

milk.  YMMV.

**************

Tom wrote-

With all due respect, should it not be mentioned that Horsetail should be

used with caution?

(because of its oxylic content)



You may know more than I on this, Tom - I am unfamiliar with  the term

oxylic- I just know that my sources long ago said that the very young

horsetail was the stuff (and they said in an extract  form) to use to

encourage the body's utilization of calcium (and some said at the time that

the horsetail silica transmuted into calcium - but this view is now longer

widely held).  Silica from older horsetail was said to fob the body's supply

of calcium , rather than supplement it.  This silica is more appropriate as

a scouring pad.



I would hope that everything that we mention on this list be used with

caution and respect [re: Henriette's comments on Goldenseal this morning],

otherwise, I will feel much less free in expressing my (sometimes off the

wall) opinion on everything.  I need to check out this term 'oxylic',

though.

***********************

The kudzu post I sent last night points to a plant that illustrates the

concept of using what grows wildly  - as in profusely - as does this alien

(to North America) plant, for the same reason that Henriette cautions about

Goldenseal.  And I think it significant that a Kudzu - a plant apparently

specific to problems of ALCOHOL ABUSE, seems to be taking over large parts

of the U.S.  I haven't seen it posted yet, so will repeat later if it

doesn't post...but here's the addy again any way...



     http://www.cptr.ua.edu/kudzu.htm

*******************************************

To Sandy- I have yet to be able to look up all the plants mentioned, by

common name (a bit difficult), growing around you.  I will get back to you

privately when I do.

*****************************************

To all who responded to my talk about curriculum for herb classes for

kids...I haven't forgotten, just am busy in a scattered way, need to focus

to recreate this...I am now working on recreating my 'Useful Plants of the

Southern Monadnock Region' manuscript, from parched pages...I have side

lists from a couple of my slide shows copied, though, if this would be of

any interest (New England area plants) to anyone..My slides melted in my

fire though, but spring is coming.

****************************************

Finally- a wild and trivial guess....boneset?



Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: teeth, horsetail, kudzu, wild and trivial, etc.

From: Scott and/or Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 12:28:28 +0000

--------

At 10:46 AM 3/17/98 -0500, macphee wrote:

<snip>

>Tom wrote-

>With all due respect, should it not be mentioned that Horsetail should be

>used with caution?

>(because of its oxylic content)

>

>You may know more than I on this, Tom - I am unfamiliar with  the term

>oxylic- <snip>



>Finally- a wild and trivial guess....boneset?

>

>Joanie

>

Is there reason to suspect that this is "oxalic" acid?  I believe this

might be the case.



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net





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Subject: Re: teeth, horsetail, kudzu, wild and trivial, etc.

From: Alan Willoughby <awilloby@ENTERNET.CO.NZ>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 07:56:42 +0000

--------

You wrote

>

> This question also is unanswerable - it is different for everyone.  I am

> very sensitive to sweets; my teeth can rarely tolerate them - I rarely drink

> milk.  YMMV.



What, please, is YMMV?

> **************

> Tom wrote-

> With all due respect, should it not be mentioned that Horsetail should be

> used with caution?

> (because of its oxylic content)



This should probably be oxalic acid, as in rhubarb.



Alan

>







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Subject: Re: teeth, horsetail, kudzu, wild and trivial, etc.

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:06:07 -0900

--------

At 07:56 AM 3/18/98 +0000, you wrote:

>You wrote

>>

>> This question also is unanswerable - it is different for everyone.  I am

>> very sensitive to sweets; my teeth can rarely tolerate them - I rarely

drink

>> milk.  YMMV.

>

>What, please, is YMMV?

>> **************

>> Tom wrote-

>> With all due respect, should it not be mentioned that Horsetail should be

>> used with caution?

>> (because of its oxylic content)

>

>This should probably be oxalic acid, as in rhubarb.

>

>Alan

>>

>

>



Anyway, sensitive teeth may be from receeding gums.  Check with your

dentist.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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Subject: herbal ID book (wildcrafting)

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:59:02 -0700

--------

Can someone please 'bump' my memory and give me the title and author of the

book- wild plants of the west, or something close to that... this is the

one for ID'ing plants in the intermountain west (Idaho, etc.), has

medicinal info also.

the ol'  birthday is close- need to present my "wish list"...!

Thanks!! margo

margo@gemstate.net







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Subject: Re: herbal ID book (wildcrafting)

From: HERBWORLD <HERBWORLD@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:52:03 EST

--------

One book I have is "Edible and Medicinal Plants of the West" by Greg Tilford,

Mountain Press Publishing, 1997



Maureen Rogers

The Herb Growing & Marketing Network

http://www.herbnet.com & http://www.herbworld.com

Publisher of The Herbal Green Pages







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Subject: Re: herbal ID book (wildcrafting)

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:24:04 -0500

--------

The two great books for your region are Michael Moore's Medicinal Plants

of the Mountain West and Terry Willard's Edible and Medicinal Plants of

the Rocky Mountains and Neighboring Territories.  I actually like

Willard's book better, but both are worth getting.  So have two birthday

presents!



Karen Vaughan

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On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 08:59:02 -0700 margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

writes:

>Can someone please 'bump' my memory and give me the title and author

>of the

>book- wild plants of the west, or something close to that... this is

>the

>one for ID'ing plants in the intermountain west (Idaho, etc.), has

>medicinal info also.

>the ol'  birthday is close- need to present my "wish list"...!

>Thanks!! margo

>margo@gemstate.net

>



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Subject: Re: herbal ID book (wildcrafting)

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 09:21:11 -0500

--------

IMHO, the best plant -wildflower ID book for the east US, hands down, is

Lawrence Newcomb's Guide.  If you need more detail, I'll get to it later.

Gotta go now.

Joanie



>> What about books for the eastern US?

>

>Jodi

>







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Subject: Re: tendonitis in forearm/ lobelia

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:35:45 -0500

--------

On Mon, 16 Mar 1998 10:19:56 -0600 "(Patricce) (Porter)"

<patrice@NET.BIG-RIVER.SK.CA> writes:

>This LObelia that you mentioned in your mullein compress is that the

>lobelia that you buy as bedding plant that trails and has blue

>flowers?

>-Pat P.

>

Nope, no known medicinal value to that one (too pretty to harvest

anyway.)  You wouldn't recognize lobelia compared to any of the floral

cultivars of the same name.



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Subject: Re: Kudzu

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 11:40:06 -0500

--------

The mechanism is different from antibuse- kudzu won't make an alcoholic

throw up if he or she drinks it.  It probably reduces cravings somewhat.

Won't work unless the alcoholic is motivated (unlike antibuse.)  There is

precious little available on the herb (root or flowers) and alcoholism.



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On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 01:17:21 -0500 macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM> writes:

>I heard on National public radio a bit of trivia on a science show that

>stumped the scientists...kudzu is being found to act as a sort of

>'antabuse', a medicine which, when ingested, causes drinkers to

>develop a distaste for the devil alcohol.



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Subject: Re: Kudzu

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:36:50 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-17 13:25:04 EST, you write:



<< There is

 precious little available on the herb (root or flowers) and alcoholism >>

Jean Carper devotes  chaapter on kudzu in her excellent book "Miracle Cures"







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Subject: Re: Kudzu

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 00:03:06 -0500

--------

On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:36:50 EST Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM> writes:

>

>Jean Carper devotes  chaapter on kudzu in her excellent book "Miracle

>Cures"



Does she tell about how to prepare the herb and what parts to use?  And

does she give dosages?  I know that there is research going on, not yet

published.



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Subject: Medicinal Herbal Sources for small gardener ?

From: Curtis Seyfried <cseyfrie@MAIL.INTERPORT.NET>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:43:52 -0500

--------

I am interested in obtaining LIVE wild medicinal herb plants to start a

small medicinal herb garden for my own use, small quantities involved.

Can anyone supply goldenseal for instance ?

Or does anyone know of a seed supplier for thes types of plants ?  I have

found seeds for plants like echinacea, calendula and common herbs used as

florals, but not medicinal plants with little floral or culinary use.

Please respond to me, not to the list.   cseyfrie@mail.interport.net







Peace and Good Health, (;->)

Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net     POB. 110675    Brooklyn, NY.

11211   (718) 599-2458

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what circumstances, you will see something, hear something, read

something, experience something, or meet someone who will change your

life forever.  Look for those experiences in 1998!"



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Subject: Re: Medicinal Herbal Sources for small gardener ?

From: Aileen Alexander-Harding <grnhart@MAIL.BC.ROGERS.WAVE.CA>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:23:54 -0800

--------

Hi,

I got a great little catalog  from Horizon Herbs "strictly medicinal", I am

looking for two medicinal herbs but have been unable to locate them, if you ever

come across them, Please let me know. Prllitory of the Wall and Parsley piert.

e mail for Horizon is herbseed@chatlink.com

Lots of luck with your herb garden!

Aileen

Greenheart Herbs



Curtis Seyfried wrote:



> I am interested in obtaining LIVE wild medicinal herb plants to start a

> small medicinal herb garden for my own use, small quantities involved.

> Can anyone supply goldenseal for instance ?

> Or does anyone know of a seed supplier for thes types of plants ?  I have

> found seeds for plants like echinacea, calendula and common herbs used as

> florals, but not medicinal plants with little floral or culinary use.

> Please respond to me, not to the list.   cseyfrie@mail.interport.net

>

> Peace and Good Health, (;->)

> Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net     POB. 110675    Brooklyn, NY.

> 11211   (718) 599-2458

> ========================

> A quote from John Warren - "You never know when, where, how, or under

> what circumstances, you will see something, hear something, read

> something, experience something, or meet someone who will change your

> life forever.  Look for those experiences in 1998!"

>

> "Technology is of no use to us if it is used without respect for the earth

> and its processes." -- Aldo Leopold

> =======================







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fresh herbs vs. dried

From: SlappyGrrl <SlappyGrrl@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:18:06 EST

--------

I live in a small town near Rochester, NY.  There is a wonderful Wiccan-run

store in town that supplies all my herbal needs.  They sell only dried herbs,

since it all needs to be shipped and such; they also give instructions for

preparation/dosage/uses specifically for DRIED herbs.  What I wondered is

this:  in using only dried herbs, am I losing medicinal quality or potency?

Since the preparations are adjusted to match the fact that they are dried, I

wasn't sure.  It just seems everyone talks about fresh herbs.  I am unsure on

where I can find any of my most commonly used herbs fresh in this area.

Please, if any of you have any info on a) the quality-difference of dried vs.

fresh herbs or b) what kind of herbs grow in this area, I would really

appreciate it.  I have searched for this information, but my sources are too

general to be helpful, and the people who run the store have been away for a

while now.  Thank you!!!



~Rachel

    Slappygrrl@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: horsetail, YMMV, pitcher plant and snowfleas

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 16:45:55 -0500

--------

Alan asked-

>What, please, is YMMV?

Your Mileage May Vary



>> With all due respect, should it not be mentioned that Horsetail should be

>> used with caution?

>> (because of its oxylic content)



>This should probably be oxalic acid, as in rhubarb.



I guessed that it was oxalic acid, but I agree with Henriette's analysis of

the situation.  I avoided dealing with the question of oxalic acid or not

(and the subsequent search to verify my instincts on this) by playing dumb.

It just is not sour.   I found a new book that has much info on

horsetail-will try to get to this tonight (post midnight, EST) and report on

it.



Joanie-who went out today exploring a winter bog and found a good hot

pitcher plant devouring snow fleas.  Love it.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: horsetail, YMMV, pitcher plant and snowfleas

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 15:01:09 -0700

--------



>>This should probably be oxalic acid, as in rhubarb.

>

>I guessed that it was oxalic acid, but I agree with Henriette's analysis of

>the situation.  I avoided dealing with the question of oxalic acid or not

>(and the subsequent search to verify my instincts on this) by playing dumb.

>It just is not sour.   I found a new book that has much info on

>horsetail-will try to get to this tonight (post midnight, EST) and report on

>it.





A search of the Agriculture Research Service phytochemical & Ethnobotanical database

reveals this

excerpt:



OXALIC-ACID Plant DUKE1992A; Antiseptic DUKE1992B; CNS-paralytic JBH; Fatal M29;

Hemostatic M11;

   Irritant M&R; Renotoxic M11



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Subject: Herb History Trivia #6

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 18:12:35 EST

--------

The plant we know is Boneset (Eupatorium purpureum) and has other names also.

Joe-Pye Weed, Purple Boneset, Queen-of-the-Meadow and Gravelroot.  The

purpureum variety has dark clusters of rose pink flowers; the E. perfoliatum

has purplish, white florets and narrower wrinkled leaves; and the E.

Cannabinium is a hemp variety.  I grow several kinds and it is absolutely one

of my favorite plants.



I use it for breaking fevers and have brought down some pretty high ones; to

help ease menstrual cramping when some other herbs won't work; for gout and

rheumatism.  It needs to have some shade during the hottest part of the day

here in Maryland and I also find it does well if it is planted in a woodier

part of the farm.  It loves rich soil here and is one of the most valuable

plants we can have.  I tried growing it in the greenhouse this winter but it

didn't live.  I couldn't simulate it's outdoor environment well enough.



It is available through Richters (nci), and Well-Sweep Herb Farm in New Jersey

(nci).



Thank you Elliott for bringing this plant online!



Mary Conley, MNH

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Subject: Herbal History Trivia Game 6

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:24:30 EST

--------

Herbal History Trivia Game 6



>Dr. Benjamin Barton devoted a half-dozen pages to an herb in his brief

>compendium of 59 indigenous remedies in the 18th century. This particular

>herb was used by northern Indians for fever and was identified so much with

>them that white settlers called it "Indian sage". It was reported useful in

>preventing recurrences of paroxysms in intermittent fever and also combating

>the yellow fever epidemic of 1793 in Philadelphia. The "James River ringworm"

>and herpes in Virginia also was reported responsive to it. Every writer on

>American materia medica in the late 18th  and 19th century extolled the

powers

>of this herb  ....it was used as an emetic purgative and diaphoretic and

>recommended as a decoction (in addition to fever) for arthritis, rheumatism,

>and gout. What was the name of this herb??



The answer is boneset (Eupatorium perfoliatum) or feverwort. The herb was

very popular among both Indians and settlers. John Uri Lloyd reported it was

popular among white settlers "being found in every well-regulated household".

Cures effected by it, reported Jacob Bigelow, appear to have been as speedy

as those from any of the medicines in common use at the time. The dried leaves

and flowering tops of E. perfoliatum were official in the USP for nearly a

century 1820-1916, and in the NF, 1926-50.



Quoting from King's American Dispensatory written in 1898, "Its popular name

boneset is derived from its well-known property of relieving the deep seated

pains in the limbs which accompany this disorder, and colds and rheumatism.

Often this pain is periosteal, and if neuralgic in character, or due to a

febrile condition, Eupatorium will relieve it." (the deep seated pain

described here at

the time was commonly know as "break-bone fever", hence the name boneset

..thanks Joanie).



According to David Hoffman, boneset is one the best remedies for the relief of

the associated symptoms that accompany influenza. It will speedily relieve the

aches and pains as well as aid the body in dealing with any fever that is

present. Boneset may also be used to help clear the upper respiratory tract of

mucous congestion. Its mild action will ease constipation. It may safely be

used in any

fever and also as a general cleansing agent. It may provide symptomatic aid in

the treatment of muscular rheumatism.



According to Hoffman, in the treatment of influenza boneset may be combined

with Yarrow, Elder Flowers, Cayenne or Ginger. With Pleurisy Root and

Elecampane in bronchial conditions. Preparations & Dosage : Infusion: pour a

cup of boiling water onto l-2 teaspoonfuls of the dried herb and leave to

infuse for

l0-l5 minutes. This should be drunk as hot as possible. During fevers or the

flu

drink every half hour. Tincture: take 2-4ml of the tincture three times a day.



reference source:

American Indian Medicine by Virgil Vogel, 1970

The Herbalist by David Hoffman, 1993, Hopkins Tech

(and that walking encyclopedia ..Joanie MacPhee)



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



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Subject: Re: Horsetail/oxalic

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:32:47 -0500

--------

Oh, gee, Tom (and sorry to hear you've been stifled somewhat)

but I did the data base search at the A.R.S. site.  Right next to oxalic

acid in the  Equisetum species (Field Horsetail-E. arvense) is niacin and

nicotine.  And I've not gotten a niacin flush nor a nicotine rush from

horsetail, no not yet.



The other species that Duke has listed (Scouring rush-E. hyemale) contains

arsenic and mercury among its exuberant list of constituents.  Now has

either species been bounced from the GRAS list?  It is possible, I do not

know.  I am not even sure which of these species is the one commonly found

in trade.  I just know that the former is the one that I collect; that the

latter is also used, is said to be more weak in effect, used in homeopathic

preparations, and said to be (I am not sure) more common ( much larger

plant) in North America.  There are other species that are not recommended.

Another post will attempt to clarify..   I think the point still remains

that we cannot taste oxalic acid in horsetail.  It is not a factor I would

consider.  I can taste oxalic acid on wood sorrel.  Not enough to be

dangerous.  Spinach, now, there's a mouth full of oxalates.



Now the mercury, arsenic and the rest of the nasty chemicals that Duke lists

as found in E. hyemale (this one gets almost as tall as me and winters over)

sound pretty scary-but this one is used in herbal medicine (as is E.

arvense).  I just suspect that these amounts, when found, are miniscule.

But their presence certainly points to the caution that is necessary in all

herbal (and vegetable, and animal, and mineral) use.  The folk tradition has

incorporated many plants in medicine for generations, going with experience

and intuition (oh-a tricky subject) that predated these analyses.   I go

with that first- adding to it a healthy dose of science.







>I'm at home now, able to place my hands on my massive reference library.

One thing

>I've discovered about this one is that each one only lists a subset of the

contents.

> e.g., some list coumarins & nicotine, others do not.  Some list thiaminase

(destroys

>thiamine, thus lending itself towards Vit B1 deficiency), others do not.



I do not know what to say here...I cannot find a way to determine on this

database, the amounts of chemicals contained.  And I do not have a current

background in chemistry to use the info if I had it...I have not mastered

these lists yet.  Just as well, I shy away from being a chemist at this

point...more into the lore of folk.

Joanie



>For a complete list of contents go to the Agriculture Research Service at:

http://www.ars-grin.gov/~ngrlsb/

>James Duke would probably appreciate your visit.



 >I will avoid all further humorous messages

>since those are viewed as 'chatty'.  Only cold, dull, hard facts from this

point

>on, if I continue with the list.

>Best regards,

>Tom



Oh, this is truly a sad St. Patrick's day...

Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Horsetail/oxalic

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 20:48:38 -0700

--------







>it...I have not mastered

>these lists yet.  Just as well, I shy away from being >a chemist at this point...more

into the lore of folk.



I didn't say that it should NOT be used, only that it should be used with caution.

 When one looks at the vast amount of conflicting data that's available on this one,

that sets off alarms.  Even David Hoffman writes of it differently in different places

- in one place indicating that it should not be used long-term (but, doesn't say

why).  Other pieces (not on-line) give warnings to use caution (because of the oxalic),

I sent a link to Henriette that talks about the Thiamanase.  All of these things

tell me that if I want to fool around with it, o.k., but to experiment on others

- I must exercise caution or at least warn them and let them make their own decisions

as to whether or not they want to use it.



I do the same thing with licorice.  I love working with that herb, but because of

the potential rise in blood pressure I praise it, but warn others of the potential

problem and let them decide if they want to self-medicate with it before adding it

to any formula.

If I'm aware that they already have high B.P., I don't even make that one an option.





I've learned that this or that herb may be good for this or that, but if it's 'iffy'

not to worry - there be others that can be used in its place.



All of this is, as David Hoffman says: 'dancing with herbs' - that includes sometimes

dirty dancing with the chemical constituents.



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Subject: Re: Dandelion & other wines

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 23:07:28 -0500

--------

The dandelion wine recepie from Peter Gail is very adaptable to any herb

or flower.  Just pick an equivalent amount of other flowers or herb

leaves, add to sugar, water, rasins and lemon.



Dissolve the sugar in the water and add chopped rasins and herbs or

vegetables.  Cool to slightly more than room temperature and add the

yeast, stirring to dissolve.  Cover with a clean towel.  Leave in a warm

place for two days.  Transfer  the strained liquid into a sterilized

bottle and put the air-lock or balloon over the neck.  Allow to ferment

for 1-2 months until all bubbling ceases.  This will scent your room, so

if someone is yeast-sensitive in the family, place out of the way.

Transfer to a sterile holding container with aquarium tubing, leaving as

much sediment behind as possible.  To clarify, you can add externally

washed organic eggshells with some white still clinging to the shell to

the liquid. The wine should naturally clear over a day or few.  Cover

tightly with cotton balls or several layers of cheesecloth.  Siphon into

final storage bottles and cork, leaving behind eggshells and sediment.

Store in a cool place for at least a year.



A few other wines:



Carrot-Calendula wine



1 gallon + 2 cups water,

6 lbs carrots, cooked and mashed

2 cups fresh calendula petals

4 lbs. sugar

2 sliced organic oranges with peel

1 organic lemon, sliced

1/2 lb. rasins, chopped

1 tsp chopped ginger (optional)

1 package yeast, preferably wine yeast

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^



Garlic/Onion wine (no garlic/onion taste, but a strong wine)



1 gallon water

1/2 lb. sliced onions with skins for quercetin and color

1 head garlic, peeled and sliced or mashed

1 thinly sliced potato

2 lbs. sugar

1 lb. chopped rasins

1 package yeast.



^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Elderberry wine



3 lbs. fresh elderberries

1 sliced organic orange with peel

1/2 lb hawthorn haws

1 tbsp finely chopped ginger root

1/2 tsp whole cloves

1 package yeast

1 gallon water



There is a great survivalist's book from Loompanics Unlimited of Port

Townsend, Washington called "How to Develop a Low-Cost Family

Food-Storage System" by Anita Evangelista which has some uncommon wine

recepies.  (nci)



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Stop Smoking

From: "Leon L Wood, III" <lwood@INFINET.COM>

Date: Tue, 17 Mar 1998 22:12:19 -0800

--------

Hi All,

   I'm 1 month plus and going "strong" since the last cigarette.  I've

made use of SJW and Ginkgo Biloba and would recommend it to others.  I

use the herbs ground up and sifted into "O" capsules. I take the SJW

capsules 3 times a day and the Ginkgo caps 2 times a day.

   I've cut coffee intake by 1/2 to 1/3 and subbed various herbal teas

of the non caffeine variety.  I've replaced the stale musty odor of

tobacco smoke with sweet steamy potpourri's.

   I have urges infrequently, that last less than than 10 - 15 minutes

each (barely enough to mention).  Point is... I've used very little

"will-power" so far and find this to be ridiculously easy.  Hope this

helps someone!!

Respectfully,



Leon L Wood, III







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stop Smoking

From: SeaBabe10 <SeaBabe10@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 01:24:21 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-17 22:37:08 EST, you write:



<<  I use the herbs ground up and sifted into "O" capsules. I take the SJW

 capsules 3 times a day and the Ginkgo caps 2 times a day. >>



Sorry to sound really dumb, but what is an "O" capsule?  I am rather new to

all this and have never heard that one before!

Good luck to all who quit, I quit 'cold turkey' in November and am doing fine,

now.  The one big thing keeping me from starting is the fact that I will not

go through the quiting again!  It was very hard, but I am fine now and very

proud of myself!  After 16 years, it is nice to be a non smoker!

Yuki







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Pregancy Problem

From: SeaBabe10 <SeaBabe10@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 02:26:24 EST

--------

I need some possible help or ideas.  A friend of mine is 8 weeks pregnant and

started bleeding yesterday.  She is mid twentys with two healthy children, no

history of miscarriages or problems with her other pregnancies.  She is very

active, but not overly so.  I know there are many things that you should stay

away from while pregnant, herbs I mean.  I just want to know if anyone has any

ideas about what might be good for her or help her.  The doctor is no help,

just tells her to go home and not worry.  Not worry, like she had another

choice!

If I can't give her any advise that will help her save this pregnancy, I would

like to be able to help her through the tough period of adjustment. I would

also like to be able to help get her physically back on track after it is all

over.

Thank you for any input.

Yuki

SeaBabe10@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregancy Problem

From: Curtis Seyfried <cseyfrie@MAIL.INTERPORT.NET>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:45:14 -0500

--------

At 02:26 AM 3/18/98 EST, you wrote:

>I need some possible help or ideas.  A friend of mine is 8 weeks pregnant and

>started bleeding yesterday.  She is mid twentys with two healthy children, no

>history of miscarriages or problems with her other pregnancies.  She is very

>active, but not overly so.



Susan Weed has some excellent books on Herbs  &  Women.  Red Raspberry leaf

tea will help.

David Hoffman, The Holistic Herbal.  p. 215.

"Raspberry leaf has a long tradition of use in pregnancy to stregthen the

tissue of the womb and ckecking any haemorage during labor. This action

will occur if drank regularly during the pregnancy. " "nic"



Not meant as medical treatment, for historical purposes only.





Peace and Good Health, (;->)

Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net     POB. 110675    Brooklyn, NY.

11211   (718) 599-2458

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregancy Problem

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:17:14 -0500

--------

While red rasberry tea may strengthen the womb in theory, women who are

subject to miscarriage should probably not take it until after the first

trimester.  I have heard from a number of midwives that spotting ceased

after they removed first trimester pregnant women from red rasberry.



Anita McQuade Crawford's book, the Herbal Menopause Book has a long list

of herbs listed as safe or unsafe for pregnancy and nursing.  It is worth

checking.



Fertility and pregnancy issues require a fuller work-up than can be given

by email.  So see if there is a nearby medical herbalist, ND or Doctor of

Oriental Medicine who will work with her.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:45:14 -0500 Curtis Seyfried

<cseyfrie@MAIL.INTERPORT.NET> writes:

>At 02:26 AM 3/18/98 EST, you wrote:

>>I need some possible help or ideas.  A friend of mine is 8 weeks

pregnant and

>>started bleeding yesterday.

>

> Red Raspberry leaf tea will help.



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Subject: Re: Pregancy Problem

From: Kiannbo <Kiannbo@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 12:48:25 EST

--------

I realize this reply may be off subject, but had to reply anyway.



Does your friend know the nature of the bleeding?  Some bleeding can be normal

in early pregnancy as I found out when I bled a little in my second month.

Her doctor should do an ultrasound and exam.  If her doctor is telling her not

to worry without performing an ultrasound and exam, then I would have her

insist on having them performed, and if he refuses, get to another doctor.



There is some good information on the types of bleeding during pregnancy in

the popular book (nci) "What to expect when you're expecting."  I found it a

comfort as my bleeding occurred on a weekend and I couldn't see the doctor

until Monday.  If she is having a miscarriage, then I believe she will know it

herself because of the nature of the bleeding.  I am not sure there is

anything, medically speaking-not herbally speaking, that one can do.  But I

certainly hope for the best!!!!!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregancy Problem

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:44:17 -0600

--------

YOU WROTE:

"Raspberry leaf has a long tradition of use in pregnancy to stregthen the

tissue of the womb and ckecking any haemorage during labor. This action

will occur if drank regularly during the pregnancy. " "nic"

I ADD:

Sorry, but I have to disagree here.  The post specified 8 weeks ppregnant.

Raspberry leaf is highly reccommended for toning (not relaxing) the uterus

before conception, during months 4 thru 8 and during labor and delivery BUT

NOT IN THE FIRST TRIMESTER.  Many midwives believe there is an INCREASE of

spotting  (bleeding) when raspberry leaf is used during the first

trimester.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregancy Problem

From: JanieSue56 <JanieSue56@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:32:55 EST

--------

Yuki, I can't give you advice or your fiend but I can tell her that with my

second pregnancy (no problems with 1st) I couldn't walk 5 blocks without

bleeding.  Doctos couldn't find any problems.  My "baby" is now nearly 30 and

perfectly normal.  BTW, she was 3 weeks past the due date, too.



Good luck to your friend.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregancy Problem

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:31:08 -0800

--------

>I need some possible help or ideas.  A friend of mine is 8 weeks pregnant and

>started bleeding yesterday.  She is mid twentys with two healthy children, no

>history of miscarriages or problems with her other pregnancies.  She is very

>active, but not overly so.  I know there are many things that you should stay

>away from while pregnant, herbs I mean.  I just want to know if anyone has any

>ideas about what might be good for her or help her.  The doctor is no help,

>just tells her to go home and not worry.  Not worry, like she had another

>choice!

>If I can't give her any advise that will help her save this pregnancy, I would

>like to be able to help her through the tough period of adjustment. I would

>also like to be able to help get her physically back on track after it is all

>over.

>Thank you for any input.

>Yuki

>SeaBabe10@aol.com



Sorry that I haven't been able to respond before this, but life has been a

bit busy.  Here is Dr. Christopher's formula for miscarriage:



3 parts False Unicorn (Chamaelirium luteum)

1 part Lobelia (Lobelia inflata)



If using dry herbs (cut is preferred for tea over powdered, but use what

you can find), use 1 tsp. of the herb mixture to a cup of boiled, steam

distilled water.  You can also use tinctures... use the recommended amount

of the False Unicorn tincture, and 1/3 the amount of Lobelia - ex: 30 drops

of False Unicorn to 10 drops of Lobelia.  Allow to steep until cool enough

to drink.  The first day of bleeding, stay in bed and drink a cup of this

tea every hour until the bleeding stops.  If the bleeding stops, switch to

drinking the tea three times a day for up to 3 weeks.  If the bleeding gets

heavier after drinking some of this tea, probably the pregnancy is not

viable and her body needs to miscarry the fetus.  She should see her

doctor.



As one who has been thru 3 miscarriages and no births, a miscarriage can be

easy or hard.  I've had both.  I didn't know about this formula back then,

so I haven't tried it for myself.  But I know that midwives in Utah use

this formula.



For most women, it is not unusual to have a miscarriage between normal

births.  (I think my mom said she had 2 in between having 4 kids.)  I've

heard a gynocologist say that considering all that can go wrong with

conception and the growth of the fetus, it is a miracle that normal babies

are born at all.  If there is something wrong with the fetus, it is better

to lose it early than later in the pregnancy.  If your friend does

miscarry, that doesn't mean that she won't be able to carry to term the

next time.  I know that it can be a cause for concern... I've been there.

I couldn't carry past 16 weeks.  But, if she puts herself on a good diet

and gets her body ready for another pregnancy with the right foods and

herbs, there should be no reason why she couldn't have another child, if

she wants.



best of luck...



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal home study

From: phil&sue padilla <sppdla@STARCOURIER.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:55:49 +0000

--------

Would anyone with information on herbal medicine home study courses

E-mail me privately.  I realize that there has been information about

this lately, but I missed a lot due to computer problems at that time.

I really enjoy this list, but I need to unsubscribe for a while to catch

up on other things at home.  Thanks.



Sue Padilla

sppdla@starcourier.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal home study

From: Shemedic1 <Shemedic1@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:39:25 EST

--------

I am new to this list and I would love any recommendations on study courses of

Correspondence Courses available.



Thank You so much



Lori J Malsed

Shemedic1@AOL.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal home study

From: SeaBabe10 <SeaBabe10@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:21:41 EST

--------

I am new to this list and I would love any recommendations on study courses of

Correspondence Courses available.



 Try this:

<A HREF="http://www.nines.com/">The National Institute of Nutritional

Educati...</A>



<A HREF="http://www.herbed.com/">The Australasian College of Herbal Studies

</A>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal home study

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:41:29 -0900

--------

At 01:21 PM 3/20/98 EST, you wrote:

>I am new to this list and I would love any recommendations on study

courses of

>Correspondence Courses available.

>

> Try this:

><A HREF="http://www.nines.com/">The National Institute of Nutritional

>Educati...</A>

>

><A HREF="http://www.herbed.com/">The Australasian College of Herbal Studies

></A>

>

>

Check out Dominion Herbal College in Burnaby BC Canada.  The oldest in

North America.  There is a web site on the net.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal home study

From: Juli Kight <castle67@CP.DULUTH.MN.US>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:09:31 -0600

--------

Hi

I have a resource list of schools and education (most homestudy) here

http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com along the right hand side you will find

the link.  Happy hunting!  I'll also be starting herbal student chats on Sat

April 11 at noon central standard time

Juli

herbs For Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com





phil&sue padilla wrote:



> Would anyone with information on herbal medicine home study courses

> E-mail me privately.  I realize that there has been information about

> this lately, but I missed a lot due to computer problems at that time.

> I really enjoy this list, but I need to unsubscribe for a while to catch

> up on other things at home.  Thanks.

>

> Sue Padilla

> sppdla@starcourier.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stop Smoking and Pregnancy

From: elizabeth j powell <elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:47:48 -0800

--------

It does, believe me!



I just found out I'm about 7 weeks along, and while there has been

several postings concerning what one "shouldn't" ingest while pregnant,

there are scarce postings, aside from the St. John's Wort, regarding what

could be beneficial to mom and babe.  What about the ginko?  Could i take

this with little fear that it could create some complications?  Also i've

read before that raspberry leaves in teas etc. drank throughout the

pregnancy are beneficial for easing labour...is there any truth to this?



Also, i'm having a real tough time with morning sickness.  Having just

started a new job it doesn't behoove me to miss much work, yet even while

i'm there i feel not only quite nauseous, but also have this

disconnected, underwater feeling that makes it very hard to concentrate

on the tasks at hand.  I have celiac sprue, so crackers are out for me.

I've been eating banana chips instead, but the sweetness only adds to my

nausea. I  was wondering if there were any herbs i could take that would

aid in this, and not harm the baby.



Any ideas, or recommendations from moms out there, particularly for the

nausea would really help.



Looking forward with increased excitement to my fifth month when it

should end,



Elizabeth Powell



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Subject: Re: Stop Smoking and Pregnancy

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:04:37 -0500

--------

>read before that raspberry leaves in teas etc. drank throughout the

>pregnancy are beneficial for easing labour...is there any truth to this?



yes-strengthens or relaxes muscles...read Juliette de Bairacli Levy on this,

as used by the Gypsies, for  more



>Looking forward with increased excitement to my fifth month when it

>should end,



Huh?  Month five is when my problems with heartburn began.  I chewed

hazelnuts for this.



>Elizabeth Powell



sorry to be so brief...all that immediately came to mind on this.  I found

little relief for morning sickness other than to keep nibbling.

Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stop Smoking and Pregnancy

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:30:43 -0500

--------

Pregnancy is *real* work, so make taking care of yourself the first

priority.  I speak from experience- I was advised to take midday naps on

my left side, which seemed impossible at work, and ended up hospitalized

from preeclampsia, with interventions that excessively medicalized (and

brought on early) the delivery. (And the blood pressure dropped in one

day from bed rest.)  Work is not your first priority when you have your

life and your baby's at stake.  Culturally we forget that.



Ginger is safe for morning sickness.  I find pickled sushi ginger easier

to take at times (but skip the raw sushi until after birth.)  Plantain

chips are like unsweetened banana chips and might work as a cracker

substitute.  Baked corn chips, if you can tolerate corn might work well

too, and they even come salt-free.  I also found that chewing on several

strands of wild onion chives during my morning walk prevented me from

gagging at the hint of automobile exhaust. I wouldn't have made it

without it.



Gingko is not advised because of its blood-thinning effect.  (Why are you

taking it?)  Red rasberry is good after the first trimester, but it can

cause spotting in vulnerable women- easily reversed by stopping it.



Susun Weed, Rosemary Gladstar, Shondra Parker and Amanda McQuade Crawford

all have very good books dealing with herbs and pregnancy.  Check a good

health food/book store or Amazon.com (nci).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 05:47:48 -0800 elizabeth j powell

<elizabethjpowell@JUNO.COM> writes:

>It does, believe me!

>

>I just found out I'm about 7 weeks along, and while there has been

>several postings concerning what one "shouldn't" ingest while

>pregnant, there are scarce postings, aside from the St. John's Wort,

>regarding what could be beneficial to mom and babe.  What about the

>ginko?  Could i take this with little fear that it could create some

>complications?  Also i've read before that raspberry leaves in teas

>etc. drank throughout the pregnancy are beneficial for easing

>labour...is there any truth to this?

>

>Also, i'm having a real tough time with morning sickness.  Having just

>started a new job it doesn't behoove me to miss much work, yet even

>while i'm there i feel not only quite nauseous, but also have this

>disconnected, underwater feeling that makes it very hard to

>concentrate on the tasks at hand.  I have celiac sprue, so crackers

>are out for me. I've been eating banana chips instead, but the

>sweetness only adds to my nausea. I  was wondering if there were any

>herbs i could take that would aid in this, and not harm the baby.

>

>Any ideas, or recommendations from moms out there, particularly for

>the nausea would really help.

>

>Looking forward with increased excitement to my fifth month when it

>should end,

>

>Elizabeth Powell

>_____________________________________________________________________



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Stop Smoking and Pregnancy

From: Gordon Cable <gpcable@GTE.NET>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:11:54 -0800

--------

elizabeth j powell wrote:

>

> It does, believe me!

>

> I just found out I'm about 7 weeks along, and while there has been

> several postings concerning what one "shouldn't" ingest while pregnant,

> there are scarce postings, aside from the St. John's Wort, regarding what

> could be beneficial to mom and babe.  What about the ginko?  Could i take

> this with little fear that it could create some complications?  Also i've

> read before that raspberry leaves in teas etc. drank throughout the

> pregnancy are beneficial for easing labour...is there any truth to this?

>

> Also, i'm having a real tough time with morning sickness.  Having just

> started a new job it doesn't behoove me to miss much work, yet even while

> i'm there i feel not only quite nauseous, but also have this

> disconnected, underwater feeling that makes it very hard to concentrate

> on the tasks at hand.  I have celiac sprue, so crackers are out for me.

> I've been eating banana chips instead, but the sweetness only adds to my

> nausea. I  was wondering if there were any herbs i could take that would

> aid in this, and not harm the baby.

>

> Any ideas, or recommendations from moms out there, particularly for the

> nausea would really help.

>

> Looking forward with increased excitement to my fifth month when it

> should end,

>

> Elizabeth Powell

>

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The one thing that helped me was chewing on a few nuts now and then,

I felt that my body was crving protien, and the nuts seemed to satisfy

that adn somewhat quell my nausea. I hope this helps, I'll be curious

to hear if it does.

Blessings  Patsy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Holes In Your Head

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:02:28 -0700

--------

 For those of you attempting to give up smoking, there be all kinds of things available

to help with that.  One of my favorites is a homeopathic remedy known simply as "Smoking

Withdrawal" - I've seen it in just about all health food stores.



However, nicotine withdrawal leaves holes in your head (brain receptors emptied of

nicotine, the brain starts hunting for replacement).  Several years ago I learned

that Glycine is good at filling in the holes - I don't know how much scientific fact

there is to that.  But, I've had people try the combo of Smoking Withdrawal & Glycine

with apparent good success (I don't know how well they would have done without the

Glycine).  If any of this is true, and you're uncomfortable knowing you have more

than the usual number of holes in your head, it may be worth a shot for you.



Tom







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Stroke and cancer problems

From: dean and jeri williams <coa-gen@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:57:40 +0000

--------

   Does anyone know what to do for heart palpations/stroke victims?  My aunt

has had heart palpitations for awhile now. The other day she had a series of

strokes she was told were caused by blood clots formed when her heart

palpitates. She made it to the hospital in time and has no permanent damage.

She's on blood thinners. I was wondering if there might be something she

could do in addition to the blood thinners that might help?

     I also have a great-aunt who has liver and lung cancer. She's currently

in the hospital, and says she thinks the cancer is in her bones. Are there

any really good suggestions for her situation?

     Thanks!  Jeri







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Horsetail Sold For Chicken Feed?

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 14:39:48 -0700

--------



>gee, Tom, I'm glad you decided to get serious on us,



Yup!  Shoulda seen the funny version of that.  :)



>but, because my name is on the subject line



Huh?  Methinks the net is doing a little value added

stuff.  You weren't in it when I sent it.



>And compost pile?  What you gonna do with the slippery >compost pile racing



That's easy - just add elm sawdust to it and you have homemade slippery elm.  Let

your dog play in it and you have slippery elm bark.  Mindboggling what one can do

these days.



>What is 'Calicum', though?



I donno - I didn't start the subject (but, changed it with this one).



>Oh....the mail just came- I ordered Jim Duke's green >pharmacy...and read now his

cautionary advice on >horsetail for preventing osteoporosis...have we had

>enough horsetail, yet?  Or should I comment on-list on >this, as well as delineate

5 or 6 different horsetail >species?



Please do - the most common that I've seen in commerce is E. avernse (sp?).  If I'm

going to add it to the chicken feed I want to make sure it doesn't cause "chicken

legs" chicken legs.



On a more serious side, I have used it as 'hit-n-run' medicine on my daughter whenever

she has blood in the urine (long story).  Effectively staunchs it until she can get

to the Dr.'s office.  Also had one woman that wanted to use it for skin/hair but

turned out to be allergic to it.  I really would like definitive info from The Duke

- somehow or other my massive reference library doesn't include his works - dumb!





Speaking of Dr.'s office - didya ever notice that germs are really 'smart bombs'?

 Yup - they know when the Dr.'s office has closed the doors for the day and they

can come out to play.



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Pregnancy & Herbs

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 16:53:23 -0600

--------

YOU WROTE:

...and  1140 MG Echinacea Purpurea daily but cycle on & off every few

weeks.

I ADD:

Routinely taking immune stimulents -even natural ones-is not a good idea,

but doubly not while pregnant.  Drop the echinacea until you really need

it.

Red beet root (powdered or as a veggie) and green oatstraw (usually as tea)

help to prevent anemia and provide calcium.   After the first trimester has

passed, Raspberry Leaf (tea or capsules) tones the uterus so it is ready

for the big day.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Immune Effects -- specific question

From: Cindy <mehturt@AZSTARNET.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:11:00 -0700

--------

I have been trying to learn if there are any herbs that support TH1

cytokines, rather than TH2.  Most of the usual herbal immune stimulants,

like echinacea, seem to stimulate TH2, and cannot be used in certain conditions.



Does anyone know the answer to this question, or where to look for a

possible answer?



Thanks,

Cindy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Immune Effects -- specific question

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:55:27 -0500

--------

Look to ganoderma, maitaki and astragalus.



Christopher Hobbs's book Medicinal Mushrooms probably deals with it.  He

refers to them as immune modulators rather than immune stimulants like

echinicea.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:11:00 -0700 Cindy <mehturt@AZSTARNET.COM> writes:

>I have been trying to learn if there are any herbs that support TH1

>cytokines, rather than TH2.  Most of the usual herbal immune

>stimulants, like echinacea, seem to stimulate TH2, and cannot be used in

certain conditions.

>

>Does anyone know the answer to this question, or where to look for a

>possible answer?

>

>Thanks,

>Cindy

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Immune Effects -- specific question

From: Curtis Seyfried <cseyfrie@MAIL.INTERPORT.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:57:26 -0500

--------

Micheal Moore's school of herbology, or Herb Pharm would be the best

sources for this. HP has  vast info on medical effects from studies done in

Germany. (nci)



At 05:11 PM 3/18/98 -0700, you wrote:

>I have been trying to learn if there are any herbs that support TH1

>cytokines, rather than TH2.  Most of the usual herbal immune stimulants,

>like echinacea, seem to stimulate TH2, and cannot be used in certain

conditions.

>

>Does anyone know the answer to this question, or where to look for a

>possible answer?

>

>Thanks,

>Cindy

>

>

Peace and Good Health, (;->)

Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net     CS Enterprises     POB. 110675

                Brooklyn, NY. 11211     (718) 599-2458

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Diplomas - New York University  --

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                Building Construction Project Management, 1988.



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Science, Technology, Legal  &  Alternative Medical Research.  Waste

Reduction Studies  &  Audits.



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agriculture, and cooperative marketing. Waste-to-fertilizer-to-food-to jobs.

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what circumstances, you will see something, hear something, read

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Rheum/Arth

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:52:13 -0700

--------

 Someone(s) (I forget who) asked for my formula that I use/call Rheum/Arth.  This

was relative to the discussion on nurses and 'toxic drug dust'.  Turns out, this

is really a multi-purpose formula - I'll explain why later.  All measurements are

in grams:



Sarsaparilla    10 gms

Burdock         13

Devil's Claw    10

Black Cohosh    10

Celery           5

Prickly Ash      8

Turmeric         8

Angelica         7

Meadowsweet      6

Ginger           5

Red Clover      12

Yam              6

Total: 100gms



Dosage: 2 650mg capsules, t.i.d.



Obviously biased towards anti-inflammatories & alteratives (hence useful for the

nurses, although I would omit many of the herbs and focus more on liver & alteratives

for the nurses).



Multi-purpose since it brings good relief, especially for arthritis plus SLE (Lupus).

 Good pain reliever (people prefer it over NSAIDS), but encourage people to take

glucosamine/chondrotin to do actual repair work.



Whenever I see someone with SLE for the first time, I pretty much know what to expect.

 The arthritic-like pain is always there.  I ask them about pain levels, always high,

I give them 2 capsules right away and proceed with the Chinese-like examination.

 This takes about 1 1/2 hours.  At the end of that period I ask them how their pain

levels are at the moment - I'm always pleased with their shocked look and response

of "what pain, it's gone!".  There's much more to SLE than that, but it makes for

a great start.



Nothing sacred about the formula, abuse it at will (I always do).



Holistically yours,

Tom







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Sharing

From: Paula <pswarner@PACBELL.NET>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 19:51:48 -0800

--------

Since there are 843 of you, I have a question for you.  I have been

checking out colleges with correspondence courses in herbs and other

therapies.  Now, I have checked with one in VA called Sage Mountain,

several in this area, Jeanne Rose's and Days Creek Herb Farm ( they

offer workshops and classes), California School of  Herbal Studies, and

Pacific Institute.  One one that I am keenly interested and my apply to

is the Australasian College of Herbal Studies.  They have a two year

program which really sounds thorough.  But, if there are BETTER ones or

others that I can check out, URLs would be wonderful.  Thanks



Paula







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sharing

From: Curtis Seyfried <cseyfrie@MAIL.INTERPORT.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 01:53:55 -0500

--------

Paula,

If you wish to actually legally use this education, i.e., practice

medicine, the ONLY school is the school of Naturopathic medicine in

Portland, OR. It is a 4 year post graduate school. You become a

Naturopathic physician, and are licensable in 25 states, so far.  If this

is just general interest and knowledge, Micheal Moore's school of herbology

is great. (nci)





Peace and Good Health, (;->)

Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net     POB. 110675    Brooklyn, NY.

11211   (718) 599-2458

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what circumstances, you will see something, hear something, read

something, experience something, or meet someone who will change your

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sharing

From: Paula <pswarner@PACBELL.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 06:22:08 -0800

--------

Curtis Seyfried wrote:



> Paula,

> If you wish to actually legally use this education, i.e., practice

> medicine, the ONLY school is the school of Naturopathic medicine in

> Portland, OR. It is a 4 year post graduate school.



HI Curtis,



For all of us who are interested in more education, do you happen to have their

website addy or their email addy or maybe just an address?



Thanks,



Paula



>

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sharing

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:30:38 EST

--------

I am currently enrolled in The Diploma in Herbal studies course from the

Australasian College of Herbal Studies. It is very thorough and offers great

support systems, through tutors, and a network of fellow classmates. The

course is excellent and suggests excellent reading

alternatives. This is of course, IMHO, and I thought you might want to hear

from someone who is enrolled.



       Laura







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sharing

From: "The Meydrech's" <meydrech@BELLATLANTIC.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 00:26:39 -0500

--------

>the ONLY school is the school of Naturopathic

>medicine in Portland, OR. It is a 4 year post graduate

>school. You become a Naturopathic physician, and are

>licensable in 25 states, so far.



Curtis,

is this a distance education program, and would you

know which states you can receive a license in - is

NJ on the list? Somehow I doubt it.  Thank you.

claudia:-)

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ADMINISTRIVIA - rules of the game and helpful hints

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 04:33:59 GMT

--------

I throw out these Rules of the List every now and then, to keep the list on

track. We've had some more or less extensive off-topics. Lately we've also had

by far too much traffic on this list, much of it unrelated to medicinal herbs.

So, no chatting (use private email for that), and no culinary and gardening

posts (there is a list for that that would direly need these posts (see below)).



Please do read item (7) below. Thanks.



As inofficial listmom I can and do unsub folks who don't adhere to these

rules:



  1. Ads aren't welcome.

        o if you endorse a product or such please add the phrase 'nci'

          (short for 'no commercial interest').

        o there is no need to flame an ad - I've probably taken it up

          with the postmaster in question, and the poster most probably

          has been chastised, and might be one internet account poorer;

          consequently, the internet community might be quite a lot

          richer.

        o you can debunk the 'info' in an ad, if you so wish.

  2. Flames aren't welcome.

        o Anybody starting a flamewar is subject to be unsub'd without

          notice.

        o I'll be the judge of what is a flame; I'll also be the judge

          of who gets how much leeway (depending on quality of postings

          to date). (This, as all mailing lists, is a dictatorship, not

          a committee.)

  3. The subject of the list is herbs and herbal healing. There's been

     some lengthy off-topic threads, so the following topics in

     particular aren't welcome:

        o vitamins, minerals etc. as bought in your local health food

          store (they're not herbs)

        o your religion(s)

        o chainletters, a la good time virus (often posted by newbies

          with no clue about netiquette)

        o 'me too' -posts; they're not even welcome if they come from

          somebody with an AOL-account

        o attachments and posts about attachments (not everybody will

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          list dedicated to it)

        o SBGA (it's not an herb, it's a MLM)(MLM = multi-level

          marketing)

        o other MLM's (distributors are not trying to spread valid

          information, they're trying to sell you something - see topic

          (1))

  4. It's considered polite to cut the quoted text to a minimum. The

     folks on the digest in particular will thank you for your

     consideration. The minimum, however, should include enough text

     to give list members a clue to what you are talking about.

  5. You -may- offer things to people on the list, free of charge

     naturally; however, you may -not- do it without adding your email

     address to the bottom, and without the words 'please send your

     requests by private email' or similar.

  6. It's also considered polite to add your name and email address to

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  7. Finally, before you send your post to the full list: ask yourself

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     bear in mind that these folks signed up to read about herbs.



For newbies:



If you're completely new to the net you'll benefit from reading the

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If you don't get newsgroups you'll need to ask your ISP (internet service

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Helpful hints:



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               Text: UNSUBSCRIBE HERB

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   * If you wonder where your posts went because you don't receive them

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     I edit these for duplicates, off-topics and others. You can get the

     unedited versions (for the last 8 or so months) by sending this to

     the listserver:

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbs safe for nursing and pregnancy

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 00:52:33 -0500

--------

Elizabeth-

This is from a post I wrote to a nursing mom.  I took out the herbs that

needed to be used judiciously or with care, so it  isn't an exhaustive

listing.  There is a trade-off between a mom suffering from the symptoms

of a disease (which can have an effect upon the fetus) and possible

effects of herbs. There are also oxytoxcin-stimulating herbs for labor,

not listed because they can be abortifacents in early pregnancy.

Chasteberry should be used only AFTER birth if hormone normalizing is

needed.



Amanda McQuade Crawford has more extensive lists in her Herbal Remedies

for Women, with descriptions of which are good for limited use, or after

the second trimester.  Things like aloe vera or comfrey should only be

used externally, so I didn't  include them.



Catnip might work for a stressed out nursing mom  and is definitely fine

for

the baby.  In fact you can give it to the baby directly.  Valerian is

listed as safe during lactation, but make sure you get fresh root

tincture rather than dried capsules because the dried herb can be

stimulating instead of sedative and calming.



Mints are fine, fennel is good for the milk, fenougreek is too but can

make you fertile sooner, astragalus is good if you need an immune

booster.  Echinicea is fine too during nursing.  Garlic is good although

some babies don't like the way it makes the milk taste- but others adore

it. Oatstraw is a nourishing nervine. Carrot juice will help you if your

milk supplies lag.



Herbs are best taken as teas.  Tinctures may be warmed in hot water to

drive off the alcohol during pregnancy.  The list does NOT apply to

essential oils which are highly refined and sometimes dangerous. During

pregnancy stick with nourishing herbs unless the tradeoff between the

potential effects of disease and the cure makes the stronger herbs listed

below warranted. Use only food herbs or gentle nourishing teas during the

first trimester.  Other herbs listed as safe in pregnancy and nursing:



Adaptogens:  borage flower, nettles

Analgesics: valerian root, passionflower, lavender

Alteratives:  nettles, red clover, alfalfa

Antidepressants:  vervain leaf, melissa, lavender, borage, lemon verbena,

vitex if due to hormonal imbalance postpartum (also dong quai, red

clover)

Antiemetics:  black horehound, rasberry leaf, melissa, chamomile, ginger

Antimicrobials: garlic, corn silk, echinicea, shitake mushrooms,

ganoderma, thyme (go easy)

Antispasmodics: cramp bark, valerian root, chamomile

Astringents: yarrow, witch hazel, periwinkle

Bitters: chicory root, dandelion, chamomile, burdock

Carminatives:  peppermint, fennel, anise, dill, ginger

Demulcents: marshmallow, slippery elm (also can be fed to infants)

Diuretics:  dandelion, corn silk

Galactogues: fennel, anise, milk thistle seed, vervain leaf

Hepatics: dandelion, lemon juice

Nervines: oatstraw and oats, St. Johnswort, skullcap

Relaxants: chamomile, skullcap, lemon balm

Vulneraries: chamomile, plantain, St. Johnswort



Hope this helps!  But do pursue books with details on what herbs are good

for what stages in pregnancy and which should wait.



Karen Vaughan

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Grow back tooth enamel

From: Gary Reynolds <SMILESALOT@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 23:35:41 -0800

--------

>>>Thomas LaMere wrote:

>>>

>>>How long does it take to grow back enamel? How much do i need to limit my

>>>intake of sweets and milk and for how long?



I cant find refrences for this but im looking

Gary



DEMINERALIZATION and REMINERALIZATION



Demineralization and Remineralization have a vital impact

on the strength and hardness of dental enamel.



WHAT IS DEMINERALIZATION?

Demineralization is the process of removing minerals, in the form of

mineral

ions, from dental enamel.  "Demineralization" is another term for

"dissolving

the enamel."  Dental enamel is a crystalline latticework composed of

various

minerals, the principal component of which is a complex calcium

phosphate

mineral called hydroxyapatite ("hi-drox-e-appetite").  A substantial

number of

mineral ions can be removed from hydroxyapatite latticework without

destroying

its structural integrity; however, such demineralized enamel transmits

hot,

cold, pressure and pain much more readily than normal enamel.  For

example, if

you feel something like a toothache, but the dentist says you don't have

a

cavity, chances are good you are feeling the results of a severely

demineralized spot on your tooth that hasn't yet formed a cavity.  Your

dentist may also tell you that your enamel is soft at that spot, and

that s/he

can actually penetrate your enamel with a probe.  Dentists frequently

recommend brushing with a prescription high-dose fluoride gel to retard

demineralization.



When too many minerals are dissolved from an area of the

hydroxyapatite's

latticework, you have a cavity.  Cavities are the loss of the

hydroxyapatite's

crystalline latticework structure.  Fortunately, the latticework can be

strengthened and restored through the process of remineralization.



WHAT IS REMINERALIZATION?

Remineralization is the process of restoring minerals - again, in the

form of

mineral ions - to the hydroxyapatite's latticework structure.

Remineralization is like replacing the missing rungs in a rickety ladder

to

make it strong and stable again - except that remineralization is three-

dimensional, and the lost "rungs" (i.e. different mineral ions) must be

replaced with "rungs" having the exact same shape, size and the same

electrical charge as those lost from the lattice.



Both remineralization and demineralization occur on the surface of the

tooth.

If you examine the cross-section diagram of a tooth, you will see there

is no

connection between the bloodstream and the enamel.  Therefore, taking

mineral

supplements has virtually no impact on remineralizing the teeth.  (It's

also

worth noting that this is true in reverse too: An event that draws on

minerals

in the blood, such as pregnancy or healing a broken bone cannot extract

minerals from the teeth, as is widely believed.).



WHAT CAUSES DEMINERALIZATION?

Strong, stable acids, mostly:  To a certain extent, these are found in

acid

foods, such as tomatoes or oranges; but they're also formed by oral

bacteria

that feed on starches and sugars in your mouth, especially refined

sugars,

secreting acids as by-products.



WHY DO STRONG STABLE ACIDS CAUSE DEMINERALIZATION?

Dental enamel is mineral, a "living stone."  In your mouth, as in the

rest of

nature, acids dissolve minerals, transforming them from solid mineral

molecules into mineral ions that exist only in solution.  Strong stable

acids

do not break down easily, so very small quantities can keep on

dissolving the

minerals in your enamel.  In the presence of these acids, millions, even

billions, of calcium and other mineral ions are removed from the

hydroxyapatite latticework.  Eventually, the enamel loses its structural

integrity.



HOW DOES THE BODY FIGHT DENTAL DEMINERALIZATION?

To counter demineralization, the body had to solve an interesting

problem:  If

dental minerals are only soluble in acids, how can it create replacement

mineral ions in a way that also doesn't dissolve enamel, as strong

stable

acids do?  The solution is so elegant, so simple, and so invisible that

you

don't even realize it's happening!  This natural mechanism is enhanced

be

eating unprocessed foods, rich in minerals, including trace minerals,

such as

natural and organic foods.



WHAT IS THIS NATURAL REMINERALIZATION MECHANISM?

Our bodies utilize carbon dioxide from our breath and water from our

saliva to

create a mild, unstable acid, carbonic acid.  Carbonic acid is the heart

of

the natural remineralization process.  Like all acids, carbonic acids

can

dissolve minerals in our saliva (present from our food); however, unlike

strong stable acids, carbonic acid quickly and easily converts to carbon

dioxide and water.  When this happens, the mineral ions that are

dissolved in

it precipitate out as solid mineral ions again - but not necessarily as

the

original mineral molecules: If a particular mineral ion is near a

demineralized portion of the hydroxyapatite crystal that requires that

ion,

the ion is incorporated into the dental enamel!

(Also read about the importance of saliva in Dr. Nara's book, MONEY BY

THE

MOUTHFUL. -Ed.)



Though natural remineralization is always taking place, the level of

activity

varies according to conditions in the mouth.  In fact, for

remineralization to

proceed, six conditions or events must occur at the same time:



FIRST, sufficient minerals must be present in the saliva.  Since foods

are the

principal source of minerals for the teeth, an adequate diet, or

insufficient

time chewing foods (which transfers minerals to the saliva) may result

in

mineral-poor saliva.



SECOND, a molecule of carbonic acid must be produced.  Only a miniscule

fraction of the carbon dioxide from the breath is converted to carbonic

acid.



THIRD, the carbonic acid molecule must be produced in proximity to a

mineral

molecule, which it then dissolves into its ionic components.



FOURTH, this all has to occur in proximity to a demineralized spot in

the

hydroxyapatite latticework that requires that exact mineral ion.



FIFTH, that spot of the tooth has to be clean, so that the

mineral-deficient

spot is accessible.  If it is, then the mineral ion is attracted to the

"hole"

in the lattice by the opposite electric charges of the ion and the

"hole."

Many different ions have the correct charge, but only the correct ion

has the

correct shape and size to fit into the "hole."



FINALLY, the carbonic acid must convert to carbon dioxide and water

before any

of the above circumstances change!  When all this happens, a mineral ion

is

precipitated out of solution into the structure of the enamel.



All mammals (dogs, monkeys, lions, mice, etc.) utilize this same

carbonic acid

remineralization mechanism.  In the wild, animals generally have strong

enamel, so we know that with a natural diet, this subtle and invisible

process

really is able to maintain the strength of enamel!  This also indicates

that

with a pre-modern diet, humans probably also had strong enamel

naturally.  For

strong enamel in today's world, though, the natural remineralization

process

needs to be augmented.



TODAY, WHY IS NATURAL REMINERALIZATION FREQUENTLY INADEQUATE TO MAINTAIN

STRONG ENAMEL?

As you can see, natural remineralization is a pretty "iffy" occurrence.

In

contrast, demineralization is enormously accelerated by the refined

sugars and

processed foods in most of our diets.  The destruction caused by the

strong

stable acids abundantly present in our mouths is constant and

unremitting.  TO

RESTORE THE BODY'S NATURAL EQUILIBRIUM, EITHER REMINERALIZATION MUST BE

ENHANCED OR DEMINERALIZATION MUST BE RETARDED.  EFFERVESCENT ACTION

ENHANCES

REMINERALIZATION; FLUORIDE RETARDS DEMINERALIZATION.

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Grow back tooth enamel

From: Bskoczy <Bskoczy@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:40:32 EST

--------

how about brushing with plain old baking powder?! Lately, I have found it more

satisfying than adding toothpaste...is this a good or bad habit? what long

term effect would it have?! Bskoczy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Heartsease

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:05:18 -0700

--------

Am currently reading "The Complete Herbal Handbook For The Dog & Cat" by Juliette

de Bairacli Levy.



Intuition told me that herbs would be good for animals, but, which ones for what,

how much, etc.?



I have no problems torturing humans with herbs (they can always smack me if I get

too aggressive) but giving them to my beloved pets makes me nervous.  I was astounded

by Juliette's approach (she raises champion Afghans).  As with humans, diet is everything

- but, I've invested years studying proper nutrition for humans, meat is seen as

an awful thing.  In animals, it's just the reverse (skip this part of the book if

you have a weak stomach - she talks about feeding them raw meat, including a special

treat for them - sheep head w/contents & eyes - which they relish, burp).



One of my elderly dachies has heart problems, arthritis & strange lumps that continue

to enlarge.  The vet refuses to be very pro-active against the lumps & arthritis,

but gave us stuff for the heart.  This irritates me no end.



Decided to try it Juliette's way - with Heartsease (Jumping Jacks).  That was one

week ago - made the usual Heartsease syrup, she makes it stronger than any other

method I've seen - horrid tasting stuff even though honey and maple syrup is added

to it.  Gave him 1 1/2 tsps, t.i.d.  Yesterday we noticed that the lumps had softened,

his limping ceased, night time coughing ceased (heart problem), he was out running

around the yard like a happy puppy - this almost brought tears of joy to my eyes.





The only way he'll take it is mixed with a little tuna. I suspect that the anti-inflammatories

in the tuna helps with the arthritis, too.



The Jumping Jacks will get some extra corn meal for that.



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Subject: Re: Schools and licensing

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:10:30 -0500

--------

Actually there are 3 US schools that offer a four year ND degree that

will be acceptable in most states that license NDs- Portland, Bastyr and

a new school in Bridgeport, Conn.  However every state is different in

what it permits- some won't let you practice at all, some will let you

practice with a more minimal degree and some that ignore the issue.

Those three schools meet the most restrictive ND license standard.



There is a four year university of herbal studies in Arizona started by

Amanda McQuade Crawford, Tierona Low Dog, Simon Mills and others.  It is

probably the only one in the US, but won't get you licensed anywhere.

But if Arizona adopts licensing it is likely to use that degree as its

basis.



The British phytotherapy degree is excellent and _ought_ to be accepted

if and when herbalism has a standard training, but I'll guess most states

won't accept it because it is not an American degree and there won't be

enough people pushing for legal acceptance.



Accupuncture is the other way to go, especially with the Doctor of

Oriental Medicine degree given by most California schools and the Pacific

School of Oriental Medicine in NYC.  The difference between a DAc and a

DOM is that the latter specializes in Chinese herbal studies, while still

learning needles.  However while this degree meets the most restrictive

laws requirement, every state is different and I think there may not be

laws permitting accupuncture in all 50 states.  I know of a woman who

served on the accupuncture faculty of a Chinese university and had over

20 years clinical experience who cannot get a New Jersey accupuncture

license because of the restrictive law.



Licensing opens a can of worms.  I know of a reflexologist who was forced

to take a course of studies from people he had never heard of using the

very book he wrote as the textbook, because his state decided that

reflexologists must have massage licenses.



If you want a training that will get you acceptance in all 50 states, get

an MD and learn herbalism afterwards.  If you want to practice herbalism,

know that you are probably not going to be able to have an herbalism

training program that will give you legal acceptance, at least not

universally.  And that the laws may well change and require midcarreer

training for some kind of licensing.



Karen Vaughan

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome

From: SwedeGirl7 <SwedeGirl7@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:23:12 EST

--------

Hi Herbheads!



I'm really enjoying this list......as long as I can keep up with it everyday!

I just started working in a greenhouse about 2 months ago, so hopefully I'll

be learning from both sources.



I was wondering if anyone can tell me what herbs act as anti-

inflammatories.....specifically, treatment for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.  I have

been suffering for years (originally brought on by computer work while

entrenched in corporate America) and have taken Daypro on and off without

consistant success.  I wear the wrist splints at night also.  I was thinking

of trying acupressure next, just hope I can find a chiro in my small town that

is into that.  After working with bulk seed day after day (putting it into

those little envelopes) my hands are really giving me fits at

night-------numbness, pain and tingling.   Any suggestions would be

appreciated, on or off the list.  Thanks!



Christy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:18:30 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-19 09:31:23 EST, you write:



<< what herbs act as anti-

 inflammatories.... >>

gingerr, St. John's Wort helps me.

foxhillers







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Canola

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:25:48 -0500

--------

You wrote:



" I read an article lately that said canola or rape oil is highly

toxic, and was the cause of Mad Cow Disease in Europe. When they took

it off the market, the disease disappeared. See

http://www.geodities.com/HotSprings/1158/CANOLA.HTM"



Mad Cow's Disease (BSE) is caused by prions which were in the animals

because ground up infected animal parts were in the feed.  Canola is not

the cause and I recently posted an article reporting that rapeseed meal

prices for animal feed in Europe were climbing.  It isn't banned.



Rapeseed is used in the US for feed as well and BSE has not been a

problem here.  (We use ground up animal feed for many animals too- a

potential problem, but supplies apparently haven't been infected yet.)

Although I believe one report of BSE in Canade was reported last week.

We'll have to keep watching.



Whatever the virtues or vices of canola oil (and I can't say its safe),

that article contains a host of inaccuracies.

Karen Vaughan

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: St. J's Wort

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 07:52:04 -0700

--------

 Thought I'd share an interesting experience that one of my clients had with SJW.

 Several months ago she approached me for an immune tonic and SJW - she had succumbed

to all the hype but steadfastly avoided the standardized product (atta girl!).  For

immune tonic I gave her a blend of Reishi, Astragalus, Schizandra & Privet.  SJW

was standalone, but warned of *possible* side effects.  Several weeks later she reported

that a strange thing was happening - her skin felt like it was crawling with ants.

 Eek!  Sensitivity, but to what!?!?!  Had her stop taking the SJW right away - I

really didn't think the immune tonic would do that to her.  The 'ants' stopped right

away.  After two weeks, she tried adding that back in - the 'ants' returned.

Just for grinz, she stopped taking the immune tonic to see if there was some sort

of interaction with it and SJW.  The 'ants' continued.  She stopped taking SJW and

returned the unused contents to me.



This is the first time I've ever seen anyone with this kind of sensitivity to SJW

(or, any other for that matter) - each and every person is different, I guess.

Just throw this one on the 'for what it's worth' pile.



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. J's Wort

From: Jill Rubadue <jlr@GRRTECH.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 10:25:48 -0800

--------

Zooky wrote: her skin felt like it was crawling with ants.



Last summer I took SJW by capsule and had terrible heat flashes along

with a few other annoying symptoms. It was aweful. I switched to a

liquid herbal extract made up by Herb Pharm (no interest) and have had

no problems at all!



Jill







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. J's Wort

From: Sibyl Smirl <polycarpa@CKT.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 16:12:07 -0600

--------

Did the Liquid Herbal Extract CONTAIN SJW?  I ask because I have been having

hot flashes worse than ever, put it down to menopause (which I definitely am

in the midst of, but was controlling with Black Cohosh, and have been taking

SJW in dried capsule for depression (I was depressive long before I was

menopausal, and have tried a lot of things in the last thirty years.)  Until I

saw this I hadn't thought to connect the worse hot flashes with the St.

John's.  Thanks for any advice that anyone can contribute.



Sibyl



Jill Rubadue wrote:

>

> Zooky wrote: her skin felt like it was crawling with ants.

>

> Last summer I took SJW by capsule and had terrible heat flashes along

> with a few other annoying symptoms. It was aweful. I switched to a

> liquid herbal extract made up by Herb Pharm (no interest) and have had

> no problems at all!

>

> Jill







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. J's Wort

From: Jill Rubadue <jlr@GRRTECH.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 15:37:28 -0800

--------

Sibyl Smirl wrote:

>

> Did the Liquid Herbal Extract CONTAIN SJW?



Yes, I have switched back and forth between two formulas that Herb Pharm

makes. I started with one that has SJW flower and bud, Kava rootstock,

Skullcap flowering herb, and Prickly Ash bark. This one works the best

for me. Then I discovered that their plain SJW comes in a much larger

bottle and it's cheaper to buy it that way so I did. I like the first

formula better. But like I said, as soon as I stopped the capsules the

heat thing stopped.



Good luck!

Jill







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. J's Wort

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:42:06 -0600

--------

Sibyl, what was your dosage of SJW and was it standardized.  Haven't seen many

side effects with plain, natural, the way God made SJW.  However, are seeing side

effects with standardized extracts in large dosages.



Rosie



Sibyl Smirl wrote:



> Did the Liquid Herbal Extract CONTAIN SJW?  I ask because I have been having

> hot flashes worse than ever, put it down to menopause (which I definitely am

> in the midst of, but was controlling with Black Cohosh, and have been taking

> SJW in dried capsule for depression (I was depressive long before I was

> menopausal, and have tried a lot of things in the last thirty years.)  Until I

> saw this I hadn't thought to connect the worse hot flashes with the St.

> John's.  Thanks for any advice that anyone can contribute.

>

> Sibyl

>

> Jill Rubadue wrote:

> >

> > Zooky wrote: her skin felt like it was crawling with ants.

> >

> > Last summer I took SJW by capsule and had terrible heat flashes along

> > with a few other annoying symptoms. It was aweful. I switched to a

> > liquid herbal extract made up by Herb Pharm (no interest) and have had

> > no problems at all!

> >

> > Jill







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. J's Wort

From: Paula Moran <gemhound@DNET.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:44:04 -0500

--------

Hi Everyone,I'm very interested in these reactions to St. John's Wort.



> Zooky wrote: her skin felt like it was crawling with ants.

> Last summer I took SJW by capsule and had terrible heat flashes along

> with a few other annoying symptoms. It was aweful. I switched to a

> liquid herbal extract made up by Herb Pharm (no interest) and have had

> no problems at all!



So, was what Zooky took also capsule?

Why would the liquid extract not cause reactions when capsule did?  Are we

assuming impurities, additives in capsule that wouldn't be present in

liquid?

Or is it something that's a function of form, powder vs. liquid?  If this,

what could be cause?



Any ideas, theories, or real knowing will be appreciated,

Paula M (since there are two Paulas)



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. J's Wort

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:45:42 -0700

--------



>I think this is the 2nd time yu have referred to >"standardized" herbs.... I was

wondering what is the >difference between standardized & non standardized.



I posted a long descriptive message on that a few days ago.  Would probably get thrown

out of here if I did that again (Peter, your turn).  Safe to say, there are those

that prefer non-standardized (typically herbalists), and standardized (non-herbalists).

 Man fiddled with, and created, standardized (cloning anyone?). Non-standardized

means using them as the Creator made them.  I admire the work of the Creator, I am

oft less than pleased with Man made stuff.









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Subject: Noni (Morinda citrifolia)

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 08:29:26 -0700

--------

Am being bombarded with questions on this one, from PWA's.  Tons of hype from the

MLM'rs (I hate that stuff) available all over the place.  However, does anyone have

any factual data available?  Anyone ever tried it?  If so, what did you use it for

and what was your experience?  (you may assume further hype from MLM'rs not welcomed!)







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Subject: Re: Noni (Morinda citrifolia)

From: Juli Kight <castle67@CP.DULUTH.MN.US>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:30:08 -0600

--------

Hi, no mlm'r here.  Yes I use it.  For a couple of things.  I also have a feature on this

herb at http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com/library/weekly/aa052297.htm.

I use it after work outs with either valerian or chamomile / catnip blend extracts to calm

the body portion down.  I have to retire within an hour of getting home from my work out

and Im really wired.  I will take two "00" capsules for this.  If I dont use this, my head

will be tired, but muscles will be tight, sometimes sore and that alone keeps me awake.

My second use is at work on stressful days or for PMS.  I will take only one "00"

capsule.  It calms me yet my head remains clear and a better mood.  Im a fairly small but

dense person.  A larger male friend has to take 4 "00" capsules to get the relax to sleep

effect.

Hope this helps a bit

Juli

Herbs For Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com





Zooky wrote:



> Am being bombarded with questions on this one, from PWA's.  Tons of hype from the

> MLM'rs (I hate that stuff) available all over the place.  However, does anyone have

> any factual data available?  Anyone ever tried it?  If so, what did you use it for

> and what was your experience?  (you may assume further hype from MLM'rs not welcomed!)

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Noni (Morinda citrifolia)

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 14:23:41 EST

--------

 Please explain what is a "00"capsule?



Oh I wanted to also get back to the list and let you know that the goldenseal,

myrrh, and cayenne worked on the "crud" that I was experiencing. I also made

up the syrup with the garlic and cayenne and added the goldenseal, myrrh,

cayenne  capsule to the syrup. I hope this helps anyone else who has the

problem.  Thanks to all who helped.



       Laura

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CTS

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 09:52:29 -0700

--------



>Anyway, I find wintergreen oil to be a GREAT >anti-inflammatory and analgesic.

It only takes about >10 minutes to kick in applied topically and

>lasts for several hours.



Yup!  From personal experience, I can also vouch for Tigerbalm (red or white) - if

using red, be sure to cover it with a cloth - it stains like crazy.



>Several friends of mine swear by comfrey for



Didn't do a thing for me.



>I know James Duke talks about chamomile tea as an >anti-inflammatory.



For internal usage, it's fine - too subtle for this to be used externally (at least

for this purpose).  I love to use this for strained eyes - make a nice sipping tea,

place expended tea bags over eyes.  Spill sipping tea all over me when I try to find

my mouth ('cause the tea bags are covering my eyes).  I may be a big mouth, but.........



  I

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: CTS

From: Jeff Stevens <stevensj@VEGA.URSUS.MAINE.EDU>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 00:08:51 -0400

--------

Hello,



I have had wrist problems and CTS like stuff for several years.  Fortunately

mine is not particularly advanced and as long as I stay away from things

like computers and stress it stays under control.  I just damage the tendon

again that lead to my CTS in the first place.  Mine was caused  from

tendonitis due to computer usage.



Anyway, I find wintergreen oil to be a GREAT anti-inflammatory and

analgesic.  It only takes about 10 minutes to kick in applied topically and

lasts for several hours.



Several friends of mine swear by comfrey for tendonitis so I use that for

tendonitis and CTS like stuff as well (in salve form).  I don't notice the

same effects as wintergreen oil but it does contain anti-inflamitories so I

figure it can't hurt (hopefully).



Usually I lather on the wintergreen oil and fit in a message. Sometimes

helps.



I know James Duke talks about chamomile tea as an anti-inflammatory.  I

don't have much knowledge about chamomile in that respect but maybe someone

else could add.



-Jeff



-----Original Message-----

From: SwedeGirl7 <SwedeGirl7@AOL.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Thursday, March 19, 1998 12:05 PM

Subject: Carpal Tunnel Syndrome





>Hi Herbheads!

>

>I'm really enjoying this list......as long as I can keep up with it

everyday!

>I just started working in a greenhouse about 2 months ago, so hopefully

I'll

>be learning from both sources.

>

>I was wondering if anyone can tell me what herbs act as anti-

>inflammatories.....specifically, treatment for Carpal Tunnel Syndrome.  I

have

>been suffering for years (originally brought on by computer work while

>entrenched in corporate America) and have taken Daypro on and off without

>consistant success.  I wear the wrist splints at night also.  I was

thinking

>of trying acupressure next, just hope I can find a chiro in my small town

that

>is into that.  After working with bulk seed day after day (putting it into

>those little envelopes) my hands are really giving me fits at

>night-------numbness, pain and tingling.   Any suggestions would be

>appreciated, on or off the list.  Thanks!

>

>Christy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CTS

From: Bob and Rusty Taylor <brtaylor@TELEBYTE.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:31:13 -0800

--------

>Hello,

>

>I have had wrist problems and CTS like stuff for several years.  Fortunately

>mine is not particularly advanced and as long as I stay away from things

>like computers and stress it stays under control.  I just damage the tendon

>again that lead to my CTS in the first place.  Mine was caused  from

>tendonitis due to computer usage.

>

>Anyway, I find wintergreen oil to be a GREAT anti-inflammatory and

>analgesic.  It only takes about 10 minutes to kick in applied topically and

>lasts for several hours.

>

>Several friends of mine swear by comfrey for tendonitis so I use that for

>tendonitis and CTS like stuff as well (in salve form).  I don't notice the

>same effects as wintergreen oil but it does contain anti-inflamitories so I

>figure it can't hurt (hopefully).

>

>Usually I lather on the wintergreen oil and fit in a message. Sometimes

>helps.

>

>I know James Duke talks about chamomile tea as an anti-inflammatory.  I

>don't have much knowledge about chamomile in that respect but maybe someone

>else could add.

>

>-Jeff



I use Tiger Balm for tense muscles and headaches - works well.  I don't

have CTS, but if I did, I would use the Tiger Balm during the day.  Then at

night, I would put a little cayenne ointment on my wrist (brings

circulation to the area), and then wrap the wrist with a fomentation of

comfrey or Dr. Christopher's BF&C formula, which has alot of comfrey.

Leaving that on all night (be sure to wrap some plastic wrap around it to

keep from getting the bed wet) would help the healing process because of

the cell proliferants in comfrey.



Just a thought.



Rusty



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CTS

From: Paula <pswarner@PACBELL.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 11:28:40 -0800

--------

Bob and Rusty Taylor wrote:



> >Hello,

> >

> >Anyway, I find wintergreen oil to be a GREAT anti-inflammatory and

> >analgesic.  It only takes about 10 minutes to kick in applied topically and

> >lasts for several hours.

> >

> Hi,



I have the AT book by Valarie Worwood and she explicitely states to stay away

from Wintergreen EO.  Why???



Paula







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: CTS

From: Curtis Seyfried <cseyfrie@MAIL.INTERPORT.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 19:08:06 -0500

--------

At 07:31 AM 3/20/98 -0800, you wrote:

>>Hello,

>>Anyway, I find wintergreen oil to be a GREAT anti-inflammatory and

>>analgesic.  It only takes about 10 minutes to kick in applied topically and

>>lasts for several hours.



Wintergreen oil can have toxic effects if over used, so be careful !?





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11211   (718) 599-2458

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: OT: Web access via email

From: Ela Heyn <Ela_Heyn@NOTES.PW.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:15:09 EST

--------

I just wanted to remind people that EVERYONE who has email has Web access,

through services like Getweb, W3mail, etc.  I use it all the time, and it works

GREAT!  Here is how to do it:



Send in an email to either (or both) of these addresses:



Getweb@usa.healthnet.org

w3mail@gmd.de



In the BODY of the message, put the following command:



GET http://www.whatever_you're_looking_for.com



I.e., if you want to get to http://www.herbs.com, you would send:



GET http://www.herbs.com



Send it off.  The Getweb/w3mail server will mail you back a text-only copy of

that page  (Getweb sends plain text; W3mail sends raw HTML).  Any links in the

document will be referenced at the bottom of the page, and you can reply with

those links to get copies of those pages.  It's REALLY easy!  It's also

absolutely free!  Getweb even lets you fill out online forms via email.



See .. so EVERYONE does really have Web access ... if only in text format!!!



- Ela







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rheum/Arth/Lupus and question

From: Kiannbo <Kiannbo@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:33:56 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-18 22:00:12 EST, you write:



<<

  Someone(s) (I forget who) asked for my formula that I use/call Rheum/Arth.

This

 was relative to the discussion on nurses and 'toxic drug dust'.  Turns out,

this

 is really a multi-purpose formula - I'll explain why later.  All measurements

are

 in grams:



 Sarsaparilla    10 gms

 Burdock         13

 Devil's Claw    10

 Black Cohosh    10

 Celery           5

 Prickly Ash      8

 Turmeric         8

 Angelica         7

 Meadowsweet      6

 Ginger           5

 Red Clover      12

 Yam              6

 Total: 100gms



 Dosage: 2 650mg capsules, t.i.d.



 Obviously biased towards anti-inflammatories & alteratives (hence useful for

the

 nurses, although I would omit many of the herbs and focus more on liver &

alteratives

 for the nurses).



 Multi-purpose since it brings good relief, especially for arthritis plus SLE

(Lupus).

  Good pain reliever (people prefer it over NSAIDS), but encourage people to

take

 glucosamine/chondrotin to do actual repair work. >>





I am highly interested in this as my mother has Rheum. Arth. and my sister has

SLE.  I am also interested in a lot of herbs and herbal remedies that I have

seen on this list but I am a newbie and am unfamiliar with harvesting and

preparing herbs (tinctures, etc.) though I am planning on learning.  I have

also heard a lot of talk about the adulteration of these herbs and want to

know if you, or anyone else, can suggest a place where I can purchase quality

herbs or if you know of a reliable brand.  (You can email me privately if

there is a problem with brand naming.)  I am in the Seattle area.



Also, do you know if the herbs that you mention here come in a formula

together?



And, any suggestions on other herbs or herbal treatments that you know of for

treating these ailments would be greatly appreciated.



Thanks mucho.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Rheum/Arth/Lupus and question

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 11:37:22 -0700

--------



>I am highly interested in this as my mother has Rheum. >Arth. and my sister has

SLE.



You mentioned that you live in the Seattle area, that's very good.  The formula I

gave is one created by me, however, there be tons of OTC formulas similar to that,

go to any herb store - they'll point you in the right direction.  As for Seattle

& SLE - get her to see a TCM (Traditional Chinese Medicine) herbalist - there be

lots of them in your area.  In TCM, SLE is viewed as what is known as "Yin Deficiency".

 They'll give her the appropriate Yin tonics to deal with that.  I have created such

a tonic for my daughter and other SLE people that I see, but it's based on very key

Yin tonic formulas.  A good place to start would be a formula known as Rehmannia

Six - very famous, available at all herb stores that carry Chinese formulas.  Other

herbs may need to be added to it, the TCM herbalist will select the ones appropriate

for her.

It *can* be done with Western herbs - but, that's really very difficult to do.  There

are specific Chinese herbs to treat Yin Deficiency.



>also heard a lot of talk about the adulteration of >these herbs and want to know

if you, or anyone else, >can suggest a place where I can purchase quality

>herbs or if you know of a reliable brand.



As with any industry, stuff like this happens but it's very low activity conducted

by greedy lowlifes.  If you stick with a herb shop recommended to you by someone

in your area, you're on pretty safe turf.  If in question, ask them if they can prove

where the herb(s) originated.  Most stores have that readily available.  If they

try to 'soft shoe' around it - find another store.  This is particularly true of

Scullcap, Pau D'Arco & Cat's Claw - they are the ones most commonly (albeit not all

that frequently) substituted.  In the case of Cat's Claw it's substituted for a species

that's really very dangerous to use.  I've even encountered people here in Az. that

use the Cat's Claw from their own yards - it grows profusely out here.  Wrong, wrong,

wrong!  See Zooky go ballistic when he finds out about that - it's the toxic species!





If you're planning on 'wildcrafting' (picking the stuff out in Nature) get proper

training - save yourself & others from some horrid surprises later on.  There's nothing

like being a 'green' herbalist - herbs work best when freshly picked, some will only

work when picked fresh.  Start out growing some on your own - when you buy them check

to make sure that the botanical name (Latin) matches the herb you intend to use.

 If the place where you're buying them can't tell you the botanical name - find a

new place to buy your plants!

(Lobelia by any other name may NOT be Lobelia inflata - you could possibly end up

with a pretty plant that's worthless for medicinal purposes).



Welcome to the wonderful, and sometimes weird, world of herbology!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Heartsease for our furry ones

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 13:51:38 -0600

--------

Tom, by now you should know if you share something that seems to work, we will ask for the

formula.  My two furry ones, Mary and Gloria, wouldn't mind trying this if I mix it with some raw

turkey.



By the way, Mary has funny bumps, Vet calls them Lipomas.  Made tincture that is reversing them

slowly.  Scrophularia (2 parts), Viola (1.5 parts), Articum blend (2 parts), Ceonothus (1 part),

Gallium (1 part), Zanthoxyllum (5 parts).



OG turkey is waiting for your ingredients.



Rosie LLoyd

Zooky wrote:



> One of my elderly dachies has heart problems, arthritis & strange lumps that continue

> to enlarge.  The vet refuses to be very pro-active against the lumps & arthritis,

> but gave us stuff for the heart.  This irritates me no end.

>

> Decided to try it Juliette's way - with Heartsease (Jumping Jacks).  That was one

> week ago - made the usual Heartsease syrup, she makes it stronger than any other

> method I've seen - horrid tasting stuff even though honey and maple syrup is added

> to it.  Gave him 1 1/2 tsps, t.i.d.  Yesterday we noticed that the lumps had softened,

> his limping ceased, night time coughing ceased (heart problem), he was out running

> around the yard like a happy puppy - this almost brought tears of joy to my eyes.

>

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Heartsease for our furry ones

From: LuvlyLin <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 20:28:43 EST

--------

Does the amount you give have a ratio to the  dogs wt.? Do you know if that

works for humans too?  TIA   Luvlylin







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Austrialasian College

From: Paula <pswarner@PACBELL.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 14:23:11 -0800

--------

Hi Paula and anyone who may be interested, their website is:

http://www.herbed.com, email is :  achs@herbed.com, and lastly phone is:

503-635-6652.    This is their listing.  Most of these are based on a two year

course of study:



Diploma in Herbal Studies

Certificate in Herbal Studies

Certificate in Nutrition, Bodycare and Herbalism

The Basics of Herbalism

Certificate in Natural Therapies

Certificate in Flower Essence

Certificate in Iridology

Certificate in Homeopathy

Certificate in Aromatherapy (soon to have Diploma)

Certificate in Homeobotanical Therapy

Diploma in Homeobotanical Therapy

Certificate in Physiology and Anatomy



They all sound wonderful!!  I am hard pressed to make a decision if I go with

them.



Paula



Paula Moran wrote:



> Hi from another Paula,

> I'd be interested in learning more about the Australian one.  Does it go

> into the Oriental herbs?  Does it cover rain forest herbs?

>

> Best,

> Paula

>

> --

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> Come to "You're In Bad Hands With Allstate" at

> http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Floor/7056/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Continuous Cough/High Cholesteral

From: Lady Mystique <mystique@MIDWEST.NET>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 17:02:47 PST

--------

Hi there

I was wondering if someone on here might be able to help me.



My father has a terrible bad cough, that he's had now for weeks.  Its

just continuous coughing and he can't sleep well thanks to it.  He also

has high cholesteral and wants to take the natural way to reduce it.



Can someone please suggest some herbs or vitamins etc, that he could

take???



Thanks,

Lady M.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Continuous Cough/High Cholesteral

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:31:01 -0900

--------

At 05:02 PM 3/19/98 PST, you wrote:

>Hi there

>I was wondering if someone on here might be able to help me.

>

>My father has a terrible bad cough, that he's had now for weeks.  Its

>just continuous coughing and he can't sleep well thanks to it.  He also

>has high cholesteral and wants to take the natural way to reduce it.

>

>Can someone please suggest some herbs or vitamins etc, that he could

>take???

>

>Thanks,

>Lady M.

>

>

For cholesterol, garlic and soy.  Make sure diet is proper with little fat

(esp. saturated fat).  Get exercise.

Depends on WHY he is coughing.  Smoking? Cold? Flu?  need more information.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: St. J's Wort TRY WILD YAM CREME

From: MARDI2GRAS <MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 21:51:42 EST

--------

just a note to tell you what works for me, natural progestrone, wild yam

creme. Takes care of those nasty heat waves. Debra







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Be careful when using HRT

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 19 Mar 1998 23:49:56 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-19 21:55:06 EST, you write:



<< just a note to tell you what works for me, natural progestrone, wild yam

 creme. Takes care of those nasty heat waves. Debra

  >>



I ADD:



Please do be very careful about just taking this cream.  I didn't see the

original post so I don't know what the complaint is.  If it is estrogen-

related or menopausal then there are some things that need to be done first.

You need to see a practitioner and get a full evaluation.  Then you need to

have a set program for your bodily needs.  It may indeed include wild yam

cream, but any progesterone has to be balanced for you with your estrogen

receptor sites as well.  Many women use a product called remifemin (nci), and

some use things from a wonderful company called "Transitions for Women."  In

each case their needs are different.  Please do not undertake your own hormone

replacement therapy without the assistance of a professional.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Schools and licensing (ND's)

From: Madm67 <Madm67@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 02:12:38 EST

--------

Karen Vaughan writes:



<< Actually there are 3 US schools that offer a four year ND degree that

 will be acceptable in most states that license NDs- Portland, Bastyr and

 a new school in Bridgeport, Conn.   >>



There are actually 4 US schools that offer a post graduate ND degree. The

following information was taken from:

http://www.pandamedicine.com/natphys.html



Naturopathic medical colleges are four-year postgraduate schools with

admission requirements comparable to those of conventional medical schools.

The degree of Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine requires four years of graduate

level study in the medical sciences including:



 anatomy  physiology  biochemistry  pathology  microbiology  immunology

 pharmacology  laboratory diagnosis  clinical and physical diagnosis

 cardiology  neurology  radiology  minor surgery  obstetrics  gynecology

 pediatrics  dermatology  other clinical sciences



Throughout the four years, there is training in naturopathic therapeutics,

including therapeutic nutrition, botanical medicine, homeopathy, natural

childbirth, acupuncture, hydrotherapy, naturopathic manipulative therapy, and

other therapies.



Because the course work in natural therapeutics is added to a standard medical

curriculum, naturopathic doctors receive significantly more hours of classroom

education than the graduates of many leading medical schools.



The following colleges offer a degree program in Naturopathic Medicine



 National College of Naturopathic Medicine

049 SW Porter Street

Portland, Oregon 97201

503-499-4343



 Bastyr University

14500 Juanita Drive Northeast

Bothell, Washington 98011

206-823-1300



 Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine

6535 E. Osborn Road, Suite 703

Scottsdale, Arizona 85251

602-990-7424



 Canadian College of Naturopathic Medicine

2300 Yonge Street, 18th Floor, Box 2431

Toronto, Ontario M4P 1E4

Canada

416-486-8584



 The University of Bridgeport, College of Naturopathic Medicine

221 University Avenue

Bridgeport, CT 06601

203-576-4109



Naturopathic Medicine Network is NOT affiliated with, or represent any of the

schools listed in this section. Please contact the schools directly for more

information on their programs, admission requirements, etc.

Copyright ) 1997, PandaMedicine. All rights reserved. staff@pandamedicine.com



I am very familiar with Southwest College of Naturopathic Medicine in Arizona.

It offers the same degree and opportunity for Licensing as do the others (I

will be applying to attend in 1999). As for the states that acknowledge

Licensed ND's and allow them to practice (meaning diagnose and treat), here

they are:



 Alaska  Arizona  Connecticut  Hawaii  Maine  Montana  New Hampshire  Oregon

 Utah  Vermont  Washington



All other states either do not License or do not recognize ND's as physicians.

Which means they either do not regulate it, or it's against the law. Here in

Oklahoma where I live, it is against the law for an ND to diagnose and treat a

patient. You can call yourself and ND (because there aren't any laws that say

you can't here) but you can NOT diagnose and treat.



I hope this helps those of you interested. If you are interested in other web

sites with ND information or schooling just e-mail me privately.



Sorry this was so long, have a good day.

Melissa Miracle

madm67@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Natropathy and tinctiners

From: LMigliacci <LMigliacci@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 04:10:22 EST

--------

I belong to brain tumor list and  I was wondering on where the institutes for

nathropathy are ...which d you  reccommend ....etc..etc, What tinctures help

you in what way?

Lmigliaccio@aol .com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Morning Sickness

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 07:40:09 EST

--------

Elizabeth,



    In the Green Pharmacy James Duke says that he usually tells women to try

Ginger tea for Morning sickness. Hope this helps give you a place to start

checking. Congratulations and God Bless.





                  Laura







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Morning Sickness

From: Tony Juhasz <juhasz@NORTEL.CA>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:53:00 EST

--------

In message "Morning Sickness", you write:



> Elizabeth,

>

>     In the Green Pharmacy James Duke says that he usually tells women to try

> Ginger tea for Morning sickness. Hope this helps give you a place to start

> checking. Congratulations and God Bless.

>

>

>                   Laura

>

I have read that morning sickness might also be a symptom of dehydration

drink water (and plenty of it)







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sharing re courses

From: Paula Moran <gemhound@DNET.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 09:34:37 -0500

--------

Hi from another Paula,

I took a mailorder one from a company in Naples, Fla., that in essence was

just reading two good books and taking an open bk quiz on content.  It was

fine for getting an herbalist certificate for $100, but it was not a real

teaching course.



I'd be interested in learning more about the Australian one.  Does it go

into the Oriental herbs?  Does it cover rain forest herbs?



Best,

Paula



--

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Come to "You're In Bad Hands With Allstate" at

http://www.geocities.com/WallStreet/Floor/7056/







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Sore throat, Fever? What to do?

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:32:34 EST

--------

I am hoping for some help as I am still new to the list. I have the following

symptoms and I am wondering if I could get some suggestions from the list.

Sore throat, sinus drainage(thus the sore throat), headache, fever of 100,

very tired. Have tried echinacea 6 @ 400 mg each daily, garlic 4 @ 540mg each,

gargle with diluted tincture of myrrh, gargle with sage, calendula,chamomile

applecider vinegar and honey mixed. Also, I believe I have strep because the

markings are present in my throat wich are consistent with strep and the sinus

drainage is not helping the soreness. I am very tired but am not able to sleep

because of the soreness in my throat

as I have to physically swallow, not on reflex. Any suggestions will be

appreciated and I will check with a proper professional.



      Thanks

               Laura







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore throat, Fever? What to do?

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 22:14:52 -0500

--------

First, you need to really step up your echinacea and I recommend an

alcohol tincture because it will help cut through the gunk and deliver it

to your system.  1/2 to 1 teaspoon every two waking hours should be

sufficient.  I would take it with some cayenne because the cayenne keeps

the echinacea in your blood stream longer.  It is better to take it in a

form that will touch your throat- a pinch of powder or a squirt of

tabasco sauce might be the easy way, assuming you don't have tincture.

Then two droppersful of usnea or sundew tincture every four hours, along

with the echinacea.  HerbPharm or Herbalists and Alchemists (nci) make a

good usnea tincture- it requires hot, high alcohol extraction which isn't

a kitchen method due to explosion potential.  I've had some ineffective

tinctures this season which may not have used this method.



Keep up the gargle, ESPECIALLY just before your medication because the

variant going around right now is resisting both antibiotics and herbals

because the medicine isn't getting through the phlegm.  Use sage or mint

tea freely.  Throw a few slices of astragalus into your soup or rice each

day.  Eat ginger and raw garlic freely.



One trick I recently learned for strep is to make a cold compress: wrap

your throat with a folded cold washcloth in front then cover with a

muffler.  As your body heats the compress it increases circulation and

helps remove the "excess Heat" from your body.  (Strep is a "hot"

condition in Chinese terms.)  Do twice during the day for an hour each

and go to bed with the compress.  In between you can rub your throat and

chest with Tiger balm or Po Sum On oil.



The Chinese patent Liu Shen Wan combined with Antiphlogistic pills, Chuan

Xin Lian, or with goldenseal is also good.  Use the Liu Shen Wan only for

the first 4 days or so and dissolve the tiny pills in a little vinegar so

they don't just stick to the mucus on your throat.



Lots of vitamin C and associated antioxidants, as well as food high in

the above.  A hot condition like strep can use the cooling energy of

citrus- make it organic and take a bit of the peel (organic only) because

it has far more vitamin C than the fruit pulp.



If it moves down into your lungs, use a deep acting herb like

elecampagne.



Strep requires aggressive action because it can do damage to kidneys and

heart after the throat is better.  If you don't do antibiotics, make sure

you use an effective herbal regimen and rebuild your immune system and

bacterial flora after the disease is over.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:32:34 EST Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM> writes:

>I am hoping for some help as I am still new to the list. I have the

>following

>symptoms and I am wondering if I could get some suggestions from the

>list.

>Sore throat, sinus drainage(thus the sore throat), headache, fever of

>100,

>very tired. Have tried echinacea 6 @ 400 mg each daily, garlic 4 @

>540mg each,

>gargle with diluted tincture of myrrh, gargle with sage,

>calendula,chamomile

>applecider vinegar and honey mixed. Also, I believe I have strep

>because the

>markings are present in my throat wich are consistent with strep and

>the sinus

>drainage is not helping the soreness. I am very tired but am not able

>to sleep

>because of the soreness in my throat

>as I have to physically swallow, not on reflex. Any suggestions will

>be

>appreciated and I will check with a proper professional.

>

>      Thanks

>               Laura

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore throat, Fever? What to do?

From: aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:03:10 +0000

--------

We've had some success this year with a sage and St. Johnswort infusion,

about 1 tsp of each steeped about 15 minutes per 10 oz  in hot but not

boiling water.  Allow to cool a little.  About 4-6 oz  twice a day seems to

ease the discomfort and knock down the symptoms so it's possible to rest.

Good idea to see a professional about this.  I left a condition like this

untreated many years ago and found out I had one of the worst cases of mono

ever seen by the physician who saw me in a hospital ER.  I think I slept

for a year or two, although my family swears I did seem to be awake at

times.  Wish I'd known more about medicinal herbs at the time.  Good luck.

Aliceann







At 10:14 PM 3/20/98 -0500, you wrote:

>First, you need to really step up your echinacea and I recommend an

>alcohol tincture because it will help cut through the gunk and deliver it

>to your system.  1/2 to 1 teaspoon every two waking hours should be

>sufficient.  I would take it with some cayenne because the cayenne keeps

>the echinacea in your blood stream longer.  It is better to take it in a

>form that will touch your throat- a pinch of powder or a squirt of

>tabasco sauce might be the easy way, assuming you don't have tincture.

>Then two droppersful of usnea or sundew tincture every four hours, along

>with the echinacea.  HerbPharm or Herbalists and Alchemists (nci) make a

>good usnea tincture- it requires hot, high alcohol extraction which isn't

>a kitchen method due to explosion potential.  I've had some ineffective

>tinctures this season which may not have used this method.

>

>Keep up the gargle, ESPECIALLY just before your medication because the

>variant going around right now is resisting both antibiotics and herbals

>because the medicine isn't getting through the phlegm.  Use sage or mint

>tea freely.  Throw a few slices of astragalus into your soup or rice each

>day.  Eat ginger and raw garlic freely.

>

>One trick I recently learned for strep is to make a cold compress: wrap

>your throat with a folded cold washcloth in front then cover with a

>muffler.  As your body heats the compress it increases circulation and

>helps remove the "excess Heat" from your body.  (Strep is a "hot"

>condition in Chinese terms.)  Do twice during the day for an hour each

>and go to bed with the compress.  In between you can rub your throat and

>chest with Tiger balm or Po Sum On oil.

>

>The Chinese patent Liu Shen Wan combined with Antiphlogistic pills, Chuan

>Xin Lian, or with goldenseal is also good.  Use the Liu Shen Wan only for

>the first 4 days or so and dissolve the tiny pills in a little vinegar so

>they don't just stick to the mucus on your throat.

>

>Lots of vitamin C and associated antioxidants, as well as food high in

>the above.  A hot condition like strep can use the cooling energy of

>citrus- make it organic and take a bit of the peel (organic only) because

>it has far more vitamin C than the fruit pulp.

>

>If it moves down into your lungs, use a deep acting herb like

>elecampagne.

>

>Strep requires aggressive action because it can do damage to kidneys and

>heart after the throat is better.  If you don't do antibiotics, make sure

>you use an effective herbal regimen and rebuild your immune system and

>bacterial flora after the disease is over.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

>****************************************

>Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

>See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.

>

>On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 10:32:34 EST Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM> writes:

>>I am hoping for some help as I am still new to the list. I have the

>>following

>>symptoms and I am wondering if I could get some suggestions from the

>>list.

>>Sore throat, sinus drainage(thus the sore throat), headache, fever of

>>100,

>>very tired. Have tried echinacea 6 @ 400 mg each daily, garlic 4 @

>>540mg each,

>>gargle with diluted tincture of myrrh, gargle with sage,

>>calendula,chamomile

>>applecider vinegar and honey mixed. Also, I believe I have strep

>>because the

>>markings are present in my throat wich are consistent with strep and

>>the sinus

>>drainage is not helping the soreness. I am very tired but am not able

>>to sleep

>>because of the soreness in my throat

>>as I have to physically swallow, not on reflex. Any suggestions will

>>be

>>appreciated and I will check with a proper professional.

>>

>>      Thanks

>>               Laura

>>

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sore throat, Fever? What to do?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 16:40:05 -0900

--------

At 10:32 AM 3/20/98 EST, you wrote:

>I am hoping for some help as I am still new to the list. I have the following

>symptoms and I am wondering if I could get some suggestions from the list.

>Sore throat, sinus drainage(thus the sore throat), headache, fever of 100,

>very tired. Have tried echinacea 6 @ 400 mg each daily, garlic 4 @ 540mg

each,

>gargle with diluted tincture of myrrh, gargle with sage, calendula,chamomile

>applecider vinegar and honey mixed. Also, I believe I have strep because the

>markings are present in my throat wich are consistent with strep and the

sinus

>drainage is not helping the soreness. I am very tired but am not able to

sleep

>because of the soreness in my throat

>as I have to physically swallow, not on reflex. Any suggestions will be

>appreciated and I will check with a proper professional.

>

>      Thanks

>               Laura

>

>

Ah, the 1997-98 crud!!  You can get some physical relief from Eupatorium

perf, Yarrow, Peppermint in HOT tea form.  Drink it as often as possible.

Keep a cup at hand all day.  You might find Lian Qiao Qing Re Pian and Meng

Shi Bao Ying Wan helpful.  Acupuncture is helpful.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dandelion Jelly Recipe

From: SeaBabe10 <SeaBabe10@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:21:38 EST

--------

Ok!  I did not know that I would get the response I did, so here is the

recipe!  I hope you all like it!



DANDELION JELLY



Use 1 quart blossoms (picked early in the morning without any of the stem).

Boil blossoms with one quart of water for 3 minutes.  Drain off 3 cups of

liquid.  Add:

        1 package pectin

        4 1/2 cup sugar

        1 tsp. lemon or orange extract

Boil about 3 minutes.  Tastes like honey.



Yuki







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion Jelly Recipe

From: Stellapr <Stellapr@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 16:39:10 EST

--------

Sounds like pure sugar to me.  Is there a substitute for the sugar I can use.

Di







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion Jelly Recipe

From: JanieSue56 <JanieSue56@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:19:01 EST

--------

Yuki, thanks for the recipe.  Now a question:  Is the green stuff at the

bottom of the blossom part of the stem?  In other words, do we remove it also.

Thanks.

JanieSue56@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion Jelly Recipe

From: SeaBabe10 <SeaBabe10@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 00:47:20 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-21 08:20:33 EST, you write:



<< Yuki, thanks for the recipe.  Now a question:  Is the green stuff at the

 bottom of the blossom part of the stem?  In other words, do we remove it

also.

 Thanks.

 JanieSue56@aol.com

  >>



I will usually try to take as much of the green as as possible.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion Jelly Recipe

From: PETER GAIL <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:04:12 EST

--------

The way to get rid of the green is to gather the flowers early in the morning

when they are still closed, with the yellow standing upright in its green

sheath, and then pinching hard right where the yellow attaches to the base.

You can then shake the yellow out of the green very easily, and throw the

green, which is intensely bitter, away.  Try it. If the yellow doesn't fall

out, pinch harder until you free up those flowers from their attachment. We

get about a quart of pure yellow in less than 15 minutes.



Peter Gail, Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box 18016,

Cleveland OH 44118 (216)932-2145



By the way, for all those who ordered your free copy of Dandelion Doings, if

you haven't received it yet, it is now in the mail and on its way.  Just sent

out a large batch yesterday. It contains a delightful recipe for making

Dandelion Donuts using the flowers, and the Pennsylvania Dutch Dandelion Gravy

recipe using the leaves, as well as the listing of all the Dandelion Festivals

coming up this spring in Michigan, PA, Ohio, NJ and West Virginia. For your

free copy, e-mail your snail mail address to petergail@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion Jelly Recipe

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 08:40:52 GMT

--------

On Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:04:12 EST, PETER GAIL <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>The way to get rid of the green is to gather the flowers early in the morning

>when they are still closed, with the yellow standing upright in its green

>sheath, and then pinching hard right where the yellow attaches to the base.

>You can then shake the yellow out of the green very easily, and throw the

>green, which is intensely bitter, away.  Try it. If the yellow doesn't fall

>out, pinch harder until you free up those flowers from their attachment. We

>get about a quart of pure yellow in less than 15 minutes.



Another way: get them when they're fully open, gather up the yellow between

thumb and index finger and twist.

I'd suggest you use the stems as liver tonics (snipped up in a salad, or fried a

crispy green, with fried bread - yum), but there are too many inhabitants in the

flower bottoms... your choice.



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion Jelly Recipe

From: LuvlyLin <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:14:05 EST

--------

Thanks for the recipe. Do you know if Stevia can be used instead of sugar and

if so how much?  TIA Luvlyliln







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion Jelly Recipe

From: HERBALS <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:30:25 EST

--------

In a message dated 3/22/98 8:17:05 AM Eastern Standard Time, LuvlyLin@AOL.COM

writes:



<< Do you know if Stevia can be used instead of sugar and

 if so how much?  TIA Luvlyliln

  >>



I do not know if you got a response to this question yet.  You can NOT use

Stevia as a sweetening agent when making Dandelion Jelly.  You must use sugar.

Sugar acts as a presevative in jams and jellies and preserves when used in the

correct quantities. That is one of the reasons that you cannot reduce the

amount of sugar that you use, as stated on the pectin packages.



The only way that I can think of that you MIGHT be able to use some Stevia in

place of the sugar is if you make it into a freezer jelly, and put it into

very small jars.  I do not know how to advise the quantity that you could try,

though.



Tamara

HERBALS@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion Jelly Recipe

From: PETER GAIL <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 14:56:27 EST

--------

Unless you are vegetarian, those inhabitants just add more protein!  Double

yum

Thanks for another rapid way to separate yellow from green.

Peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Medicinal value of carrot tops?

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 13:12:30 -0600

--------

Have a friend with an OG farm who was quite a few extra carrots and asked if I was

interested in her carrot tops to dry for medicinal use.



Does anyone know if there is a medicinal use for the tops?



Thanks,





Rosie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: energy

From: Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

Date: Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:58:05 -0500

--------

hello,



i am thinking of concocting a cold herbal tea that would be energizing,

both mentally and physically. i drank some sobe energy drink today, which

had guarana, yohimbe, and arginine in it, and i thought that was

effective. does anyone have any other suggestions for herbs to include

(i was thinking maybe gotu kola, but i don't know the exact effects of

that).  i'm not too crazy about ginko for some reason - it focuses my

attention on the wrong things, i think.

also, for the same drink, i am wondering about herbs that would

re-nutrify the brain.

also, for the same drink, i am wondering about a sweetener.  is bee

pollen a sweetener?  or maybe royal jelly?  i don't want to use processed

sugar.  there has been talk of an herb on this list that sweetens

basically anything (i can't remember the name but it begins with an "s") -

are there any other effects of this herb?



kristina



--

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: energy

From: HERBALS <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 00:02:56 EST

--------

The herb for sweetening is Stevia



Have a great HERBAL day,



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: energy

From: aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 08:28:22 +0000

--------

It sounds like you are feeling very weary and having trouble focussing.

The herbs you had will crank up your system for a bit, but will also stress

it if you are nutritionally depleted.  Gotu Kola is more supportive in its

effects.  When you say a "cold herbal tea" do you mean its physical

properties or its energetics?  Ginko's effects are to increase circulation

to the brain and peripheral body; if it increases a sense of tumbling

thoughts, recurrent unwanted thoughts, or scattered thinking, you might

need more of a calming rather than energizing nutritive tonic whic would

help you feel more "centered" and quietly focussed.  You might look for an

herbal practitioner in your area who can help you put your sense that you

need help with energy into the context of how your body is "wired".

Aliceann

jigsawme@yahoo.com









At 11:58 PM 3/20/98 -0500, you wrote:

>hello,

>

>i am thinking of concocting a cold herbal tea that would be energizing,

>both mentally and physically. i drank some sobe energy drink today, which

>had guarana, yohimbe, and arginine in it, and i thought that was

>effective. does anyone have any other suggestions for herbs to include

>(i was thinking maybe gotu kola, but i don't know the exact effects of

>that).  i'm not too crazy about ginko for some reason - it focuses my

>attention on the wrong things, i think.

>also, for the same drink, i am wondering about herbs that would

>re-nutrify the brain.

>also, for the same drink, i am wondering about a sweetener.  is bee

>pollen a sweetener?  or maybe royal jelly?  i don't want to use processed

>sugar.  there has been talk of an herb on this list that sweetens

>basically anything (i can't remember the name but it begins with an "s") -

>are there any other effects of this herb?

>

>kristina

>

>--

>Verily verily

>

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: energy

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 10:45:25 -0500

--------

On Fri, 20 Mar 1998 23:58:05 -0500 Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

writes:

>i am thinking of concocting a cold herbal tea that would be energizing,

>both mentally and physically. i drank some sobe energy drink today,

>which had guarana, yohimbe, and arginine in it, and i thought that was

>effective.



Guarana is very high in caffeine- you could drink a cup of coffee too,

but you really need something deeper and more nourishing that won't

stress your adrenals.  Yohimbe is a male aphrodisiac and while it may

have other benefits is probably in there as a "sexy" additive.  Arginine

is an amino acid which is taken to stimulate weight loss and can cause

herpes outbreaks in excess.  IOW, avoid the sobe drink.



does anyone have any other suggestions for herbs to include

>(i was thinking maybe gotu kola, but i don't know the exact effects of

>that).



Siberian ginseng (eleuthero), gotu kola , and oatstraw with the milky

stage seeds are good for nourishing the brain, nerves and associated

organ systems.  However to focus you need a salty sharp, contracting

taste.  A bit of umeboshi paste or ume vinegar from the macrobiotics

section of the health food store will help you focus- sweet tastes are

energetically expansive and will do the opposite.



>there has been talk of an herb on this list that sweetens

>basically anything



That would be stevia.  It will sweeten, but the sweet taste will not help

you focus.



Check lifestyle and diet.  Annemarie Colbin's book _Food and Healing_ is

an excellent book for you to evaluate your lifestyle.  Food is the way

herbs are best used and can have profound effects upon energy.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: energy

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 08:32:51 -0500

--------

Just a word of caution on the yohimbe and the guarana - could be taxing on

the heart and liver if taken regularly and often.



As always, be well and careful.



bek



elizabek@vineyard.net

************************************

http://www.vineyard.net/biz/witches/

************************************







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: energy

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:57:18 -0900

--------

At 08:32 AM 3/22/98 -0500, you wrote:

>Just a word of caution on the yohimbe and the guarana - could be taxing on

>the heart and liver if taken regularly and often.

>

>As always, be well and careful.

>

>bek

>

>elizabek@vineyard.net

>************************************

>http://www.vineyard.net/biz/witches/

>************************************

>

>

Absolutely! It can actually increase the problem of low energy.  Taking

stimulants is NOT the answer to getting more energy in the long run.  You

MUST diagnose WHY you have the problem and correct it.  It is usually a

combination of years of bad living habits and overuse of stimulants.  There

are many things that can cause it.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Wintergreen Oil, Herbal Safety  &  Homeopathy !

From: Curtis Seyfried <cseyfrie@MAIL.INTERPORT.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 06:34:20 -0500

--------

At 11:16 PM 3/20/98 EST, you wrote:

>Curtis,

>

>Several of the replies I have received recommend the wintergreen oil, so I

>bought some tonite and will give it a try.  How should I be careful as far as

>"overuse"?  Use it sparingly?  Only use it every few days?  Of course, I

don't

>want to use something that can harm my body.........so do you know what

>effects I should be on the look out for?



It is only from continual and long-term use, so I would only use it every

few days, or where there is extreme pain.  Synthetic wintergreen does not

have the toxic properties.



REMEMBER, herbs ARE dgugs, just natural, so should be thoroughly researched

before use. Even Goldnseal can be harmfull if overused, it inhibits

B-complex vitamin absorption if used too long. Acidophilus will remedy this

as the goldenseal has upset your inrestinal flora.



 Do you happen to know anything about

>omega fish oil?  That was suggested also, along with tigerbalm.



Omega fish oil is harmless and very beneficial in general. It also lowers

cholesterol. Tigerbalm has no, or little, problems that I know of. I have

used it as needed for years.



Do you know

>what the active ingredient in the TriFlora gel is, and can I probably find it

>at my local health food store?  Thanks alot for your help and advice.  Happy

>Vernal Equinox, BTW!



Do you know anything about homeopathy  ? Homeopathy is based on the theory

that "like cures like". That is, a substance that in its "pure" form will

create the symptoms of the ailment, when prepared homeopathically will not

only aleviate the symptoms but cure the underlying ailment. Thusly,

something that would create the symptoms of CTS would cure it if used

homeopathically.



Homeopathic remedies are still official phameceuticals and have their own

"materia medica", and as such can be recomended for ailments, different

from herbs that can only be legally discussed as nutritional supplements.

They are non-poisonious and harmless, as if the wrong remedy is taken it

will just have no action in the body. VERY safe for children and pets.



Homeopathic preperations are, dilutions of the pure substance.  Chemically

there is none of the chemical constituents of the original substance as

homeopathy uses the "energy" of the substance, not the "chemistry". If you

send a homeopathic prep. to a chemist they will not find any of the

chemical constituents of the substances contained.



 So, the ingredients of Triflora gel are : Rhus Toxidendron ( poison ivy ),

which acts on tendons and ligaments, Symphytum (Comfrey),  Ledum ( Wild

Rosemary), in an odorless gell that absorbs quickly. It is COMPLETLY  SAFE

!.  Any good health food, or herb store should have it, or can order it.



You can order it from Boericke & Tafel, Inc. 2381 Circadian Way, Santa

Rosa, CA. 95407 (NCI.)



DO NOT use homeopathic remedies WITH aromatic, like peppermint or

wintergreen, as they counteract homeopathics effectiveness.



>Christy

>

>

Peace and Good Health, (;->)

Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net     POB. 110675    Brooklyn, NY.

11211   (718) 599-2458

========================

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what circumstances, you will see something, hear something, read

something, experience something, or meet someone who will change your

life forever.  Look for those experiences in 1998!"



"Technology is of no use to us if it is used without respect for the earth

and its processes." -- Aldo Leopold

=======================







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal bibliography

From: Curtis Seyfried <cseyfrie@MAIL.INTERPORT.NET>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 07:29:04 -0500

--------

If anyone would like I can send a comprehensive herbal bibliography upon

request.



LISTMOM, could I post this to the list to save me some work ? !!!  This is

very useful to all concerned!!



If not please contact me privately for a copy. Indicate your Wordprocessor

and version !!!





Peace and Good Health, (;->)

Curtis Seyfried cseyfrie@mail.interport.net     POB. 110675    Brooklyn, NY.

11211   (718) 599-2458

========================

A quote from John Warren - "You never know when, where, how, or under

what circumstances, you will see something, hear something, read

something, experience something, or meet someone who will change your

life forever.  Look for those experiences in 1998!"



"Technology is of no use to us if it is used without respect for the earth

and its processes." -- Aldo Leopold

=======================







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Jim Duke on horsetail

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 11:25:34 -0500

--------

James Duke on the use of Horsetail (the species Equisetum arvense) for

osteoporosis:



"French research suggests that silicon helps prevent osteoporosis and can be

used to threat bone fractures.  Horsetail is among the richest plant sources

of this mineral, in the form of the compound monosilicic  acid, which the

body can readily use.



"Aging and low estrogen levels decrease the body's ability to absorb

silicon.  Some people recommend up to nine 350-milligram capsules a day.

You should use this herb only in consultation with a holistic practitioner.

If you're advised to use horsetail tea, add a teaspoon of sugar to the water

along with the dried herb.  (The sugar will pull more silicon out of the

plant.)  Bring it to a boil, then let it simmer for about 3 hours.  Strain

out the leaves, then let the tea cool before drinking."



from 'The Green Pharmacy'.  James A. Duke. 1997



(Joanie)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Horsetail-6 species

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 13:11:33 -0500

--------

I am just going to describe some of the species of horsetail with the help

of Susanne Fischer-Rizzi's book 'Medicine of the Earth'-



1)Field Horsetail (Equisetum arvense) grows in fields and meadows.  In early

spring (now through April in the northern latitudes)  the fertile, pale

spore bearing stems appear, a bit phallic in color and form with an enlarged

tip.  The unbranched stem has sheaths with of 6-12 teeth..  A few weeks

later, sterile green stems with grooves grow, with branches, 4-20 inches

high.  The fertile stems, with spores gone, wither away.  This, I believe,

is the species that is commonly found in the dried herb trade, and that

which is most recommended for remedial teas and baths.



2)Sylvan Horsetail (E. sylvatacum) is found in humid forests in spring, 6-24

inches tall with more delicate stems than those of Field Horsetail.   The

sheaths of fertile stems are swollen, bulging, and reddish brown in the

upper portion with 3-6 blunt teeth; .  The branches of the infertile, green

stems arch downward.  The whorled branches on both the pale green fertile

stems (with reddish SHEATHS, and spiked tip) and infertile stems (with green

tip) divide in two-distinguishing these from other Horsetails.  This species

should not be gathered, as it is susceptible to infestation by an alkaloid

producing parasite, described below..



3)Scouring Rush (E. hiemale or  E. hyemale) grows in moist shade forests.

Fertile and infertile stems have the same shape, are evergreen and they

winter over.  Unbranched green stems grow 4 feet high,  are rough and hard

with flat ribs.  The teeth of the sheaths attach tightly to stem, are

usually black at the top and bottom and white or reddish in the middle.

These teeth fall off early, leaving a  black, grooved edge on the stem.  The

fertile spike, similar in shape, short, blackish, and fertile in May or

June.  This species is said to be similar in effect to field horsetail but

weaker.



Each scouring rush  plant needs to be examined carefully for brown spots.

These spots are a sign of a parasitic fungus (Ustalago equiseti) that often

attacks this (and other) species and is the apparent cause of a poisoning,

called 'staggering disease', in livestock, due to the resultant alkaloid

equisetine.  I am not absolutely sure that this disease is found in North

American plants, but I do know that spots matching this description are

frequently found on late season plants in New England.



This species of horsetail is found in a powdered formula (Chinese) used to

staunch bleeding in wounds.  This is the species that is reported as that

used in Homeopathic preparations.  It is the one most commonly found in

North America, according to Fischer-Rizzi, but is not common around me in

central New England.



4)Marsh Horsetail (E. palustre) grows in wet boggy areas, 8-28 inches high.

  The fertile and infertile stems look alike, with undivided branches

growing in whorls from the nodes with 6-10 green white-edged teeth.  (field

horsetail has dark brown teeth).  The

spore-bearing spike is blackish (field h. is pale).  Not recommended for

gathering-associated

with the 'staggering disease',of livestock, described above.



5)Swamp horsetail (E. limosum), rare, up to 5 feet tall, grows in standing

water.  Fertile and infertile forms resemble scouring rush, with smooth

stems and sheaths with 20-20 narrow black teeth, and sometimes with short

side branches.    Should not be gathered, I assume because of its rarity.



6)Giant Horsetail (E. telmateia) likes shady wetlands along riverbanks.  It

is a European native, 4 feet high, thick stems.  Fertile stems unbranched;

sterile stems whitish with green whorled branches.  The thick and juicy

sporangia spike collapses and rots a few days after releasing its spores.

This species is another that is preferred for herbal baths.



Susanne Fischer-Rizzi  recommends that we not gather horsetail in wooded or

swampy places, and that we never gather plants with brown spots, especially

if we cannot distinguish between the species.



She mentions the horsetail's blood-staunching properties and its firming

effect on tissues, due to silicic acid content.  It contains flavons that

firm the blood vessels and the minerals calcium, phosphorous, magnesium, and

aluminum are mentioned.  The plant is indicated for any weakness of the

body's connective tissue.



The plant should be gathered in spring and early summer.  I  think that the

earlier, the better.  Scouring rush (beware the brown spots) can be used as

a weaker field horsetail.  She uses scouring rush to treat disk problems amd

to strengthen the musculo-skeletal system.  She cites a reference to the

statement (I have stated this elsewhere) that the young horsetail shoots

contain more soluble silcic  acid that the older plants.  Plants gathered

later, carefully as to species, can still be used, with careful attention to

see that they are free of brown spots.  Even external application of plants

with the causative fungus can result in allergic reaction.



Now, this is just the list of species that this author describes.  I do not

know for sure what species is native to what place, especially as I have yet

to replace my books of native flora (Seymour's 'Flora of New England' was my

stand-by).  This is not meant to be a definitive or complete list, just some

information that I have come across.  When I come across specific reference

to the plant's use for teeth, I shall report.



awaiting the latest wimpy storm of the series that the weather forecasters

(like little boys calling 'wolf') in Boston keep calling 'Nor'easters' (last

year there seemed to be dozens of 'storms of the century', apparently

inspired by the O.J. trial),

I remain,

Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: synergism

From: Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:14:58 -0500

--------

Is there any information online or in a book about synergistic effects of

combining herbs?







 --

"My liver is bad, well--let it get worse!"

-dostoevsky







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: synergism

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 18:34:31 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-21 18:17:00 EST, you write:



<< Is there any information online or in a book about synergistic effects of

 combining herbs?



  >>



I ADD:



Yes, get a copy of Linda Rector Page's "How To Be Your Own Herbal Pharmacist."



She goes into what herbs work wonderfully with which ones, and into the uses

of carrier herbs also.



Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com



                     **************



My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: synergism

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:08:42 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-22 12:21:42 EST, you write:



<< <<Yes, get a copy of Linda Rector Page's "How To Be Your Own Herbal

 Pharmacist."

 >>



 Mary --



 Is this a website?



 Thanks much,

 Denise



  >>

Well now that's a good question.  She is an instructor at The Clayton School

of Natural Healing in Alabama, but I've not heard of a web site yet.  She is

the owner of Crystal Star Herbs, so they may have one.  I got her book at a

very good health food store locally.



In health -



Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com



                     **************



My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Voice Box Problems

From: Darcy <greenfield@JERSEYCAPE.COM>

Date: Sat, 21 Mar 1998 21:11:50 -0500

--------

I am experiencing nodules on my voice box due to voice strain.

Short of not speaking anymore until they subside..does anyone have any

suggestions..thanks  darcy







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Voice Box Problems

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:12:52 -0900

--------

At 09:11 PM 3/21/98 -0500, you wrote:

>I am experiencing nodules on my voice box due to voice strain.

>Short of not speaking anymore until they subside..does anyone have any

>suggestions..thanks  darcy

>

>

You can make permanent scars on your vocal cords from strain.  My brother

had to have the scars (nodes) surgically removed.  So I'd just quiet down

and let them rest.  Then go get some vocal lessons  to learn how to speak

so you don't damage them again.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal Student Chat

From: Juli Kight <castle67@CP.DULUTH.MN.US>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:15:56 -0600

--------

I will be having my first chat for herbal students, prospective students

and teachers / possible mentors.  I think this would be a wonderful way

for some of us to share and compare and maybe find a friend to work

together with on our studies.  These will be held every Saturday at 12

noon Central Standard Time U.S.  The first chat will start April 11

1998. The direct link to chat is here, you'll only need to register (its

short) once http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com/mpchat.htm

Hope to see you there!

Juli

Herbs for Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Organic dried herbs

From: Melody Pfeiffer <melodycp@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 07:27:29 -0600

--------

Does anyone know of a company which sells organic dried herbs ?



Appreciate your help,



Many thanks,



Melody







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Organic dried herbs

From: HERBALS <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 15:31:32 EST

--------

In a message dated 3/22/98 8:31:20 AM Eastern Standard Time,

melodycp@IX.NETCOM.COM writes:



<< Does anyone know of a company which sells organic dried herbs ?

  >>

Frontier sells some organic dried herbs, dependant on which ones you want.



Tamara

HERBALS@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Organic dried herbs

From: HerbalIncl <HerbalIncl@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 16:53:37 EST

--------

In a message dated 3/22/98 8:30:22 AM, you wrote:



<<Does anyone know of a company which sells organic dried herbs ?



Appreciate your help,



Many thanks,



Melody>>



Herbal Inclinations ... please email me privately for info.



Pat

Herbal Inclinations, Inc.

http://www.herbalinclinations.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion Jelly Recipe/ Stevia conversion chart

From: Carol n NY <CarolnNY@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:51:20 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-22 08:16:10 EST, you write:



<< Thanks for the recipe. Do you know if Stevia can be used instead of sugar

and

 if so how much?  TIA Luvlyliln

  >>



Here is a link to a web page with a Stevia/sugar conversion chart:

 <A HREF="http://www.fastlane.net/~kirkland/stevia/stevia.htm"> Stevia

Conversion Chart</A>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: schools

From: Fromtl <Fromtl@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 10:58:02 EST

--------

Hello there-



Was wondering if anyone could recommend a school/herbalist/etc. that offers

excellent an excellent course on medical botany/herbalism?  Preferrably,

something "hands on" and not a correspondence course.  ALso, wondering if

there were any universities that had some courses related to herbalism (not

necessarily just "botany").  Thanks so much.



-Christian







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: schools

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:20:12 -0500

--------

>the ONLY school is the school of Naturopathic

>medicine in Portland, OR. It is a 4 year post graduate

>school. You become a Naturopathic physician, and are

>licensable in 25 states, so far.



FYI -

There are also accredited naturopathic colleges in AZ and one recently

opened in CT. There is also a very good one in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. If

you have web capabilities, do a search for Naturopathy. lots of great info.

- be leary of programs that do not include clinical practice though.



:)  bek



elizabek@vineyard.net

************************************

http://www.vineyard.net/biz/witches/

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: schools

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:51:50 -0900

--------

At 07:20 PM 3/23/98 -0500, you wrote:

>>the ONLY school is the school of Naturopathic

>>medicine in Portland, OR. It is a 4 year post graduate

>>school. You become a Naturopathic physician, and are

>>licensable in 25 states, so far.

>

>FYI -

>There are also accredited naturopathic colleges in AZ and one recently

>opened in CT. There is also a very good one in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. If

>you have web capabilities, do a search for Naturopathy. lots of great info.

>- be leary of programs that do not include clinical practice though.

>

>:)  bek

>

>elizabek@vineyard.net

>************************************

>http://www.vineyard.net/biz/witches/

>************************************

>

>

Don't forget Bastyr University in Seattle.  As far as I know it's the only

Naturopathic University in the US.  There's several colleges but only one

University.  I know a graduate from there, very knowledgeable.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Lymph problems

From: Fromtl <Fromtl@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:05:57 EST

--------

Hello everyone-



I am a young male having some problems with his lymph glands (only in groin

area).  There are about two or three very hard, uncomfortable nodules on each

side.  Doctor said he wants to biopsy it in a few weeks if it gets worse.

Currently taking Gaia's Echinacea/Red Root Complex (Echinacea, Thuja, Blue

Flag, Baptisia, Stillingia, Prickly Ash) and Green Kingdom's Oregon Grape

Formula (Oregon Grape, Cleavers, Blue Flag, Dandelion, Mullein, Prickly Ash,

Marshmallow, Echinacea).  I've been taking these for about 4-5 days now and

was wondering if there were any other suggestions I might try?  Cooments on my

little regimen? Any herbs I'm missing?  Other techniques to clear the lymph?

Thanks so much for your help!

-Christian







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lymph problems

From: Mike Vancha <aa408@GPFN.SK.CA>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 11:54:38 -0600

--------

On Sun, 22 Mar 1998, Fromtl wrote:



> Hello everyone-

>

> I am a young male having some problems with his lymph glands (only in groin

> area).  There are about two or three very hard, uncomfortable nodules on each

> side.  Doctor said he wants to biopsy it in a few weeks if it gets worse.

> Currently taking Gaia's Echinacea/Red Root Complex (Echinacea, Thuja, Blue

> Flag, Baptisia, Stillingia, Prickly Ash) and Green Kingdom's Oregon Grape

> Formula (Oregon Grape, Cleavers, Blue Flag, Dandelion, Mullein, Prickly Ash,

> Marshmallow, Echinacea).  I've been taking these for about 4-5 days now and

> was wondering if there were any other suggestions I might try?  Cooments on my

> little regimen? Any herbs I'm missing?  Other techniques to clear the lymph?

> Thanks so much for your help!

> -Christian

>



I would go on an elmination diet of fruits and vegetables every few days

or so with no starches or proteins at that time and keep doing it until

it clears up.





M.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Be careful when using HRT ( I know that!)

From: MARDI2GRAS <MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:26:13 EST

--------

well I guess my question to you Mary is just where do you find prof. help that

works with alternatives? I have had to find out about the wild yam creme

through reading and message boards. I personally would love to have a prof.

tell me what my needs are, herbally, or whatever other alternative method

other then estrogen (premarian) or birth control pills. the creme does help

with hot flashes, and many others I know of. thanks Debra







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Help Please with dog!

From: JanieSue56 <JanieSue56@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 22:49:18 EST

--------

Sammy has three long narrow sores - one on the back of his neck and two on his

hind-end.  How can I tell if it is mange or hot spots and what can I do for

it?  Last year I dipped him in a commercial dip and he started convulsing

until I shampooed it out.  I trimmed his hair short and shaved around the

sores then I mixed a small amount of dog dip and dabbed on the spots.  He is

very unconfortable but I don't know if it is that air is getting to his skin

(resulting from the trim) or if it is the sores or the stuff I dabbed on him.

Please Help!  I love this dog as much as a child but honest to goodness can't

take him to the vet - it costs $86.

TIA

JanieSue56@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!

From: MDLukacs <MDLukacs@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:32:50 EST

--------

Without doing some research myself the only thing I would recommend right now

would be to put some 100% aloe gel (preferably right from a plant) on the

spots.  Do not use commercial chemical dips.  Check out this site and see if

it tells you anything:  http://www.altvetmed.com/.  Go to the bookstore and

look up Dr. Pitcairn's animal care book about natural remedies.  AOL does have

their own veterinary care reference section, with an area where you can post

messages for homeopathic vets.



Good luck,

Denise







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!

From: Bianca83 <Bianca83@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:37:16 EST

--------

TAKE HIM TO THE VET!!!!!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!

From: mark and jan <Wolf@SOFTCOM.NET>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 21:15:14 -0800

--------

I have answered you personally and wish to convey this to others also.....



This might very well be simply a nutrtional problem.....commercial and

not-so-commercial pet foods are simply not, in my opinion, the way to feed ANY

ANIMAL, unless it is an emergency short-time use.  To back up this statement I

recommend that everyone go to this website

address.....http://www.peg.apc.org/~nexus/petfood.html



If anyone wants more information about what a good natural diet is or more info on

what is in petfood....books or articles, please ask us we will gladly give out

this information for the sake of companion animals everywhere and their owners.



Very Sincerely,



Mark and Jan            e-mail -  wolf@softcom.net



JanieSue56 wrote:



> Sammy has three long narrow sores - one on the back of his neck and two on his

> hind-end.  How can I tell if it is mange or hot spots and what can I do for

> it?  Last year I dipped him in a commercial dip and he started convulsing

> until I shampooed it out.  I trimmed his hair short and shaved around the

> sores then I mixed a small amount of dog dip and dabbed on the spots.  He is

> very unconfortable but I don't know if it is that air is getting to his skin

> (resulting from the trim) or if it is the sores or the stuff I dabbed on him.

> Please Help!  I love this dog as much as a child but honest to goodness can't

> take him to the vet - it costs $86.

> TIA

> JanieSue56@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!

From: Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:15:54 -0000

--------

-----Original Message-----

From: JanieSue56 <JanieSue56@AOL.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 3:49 AM

Subject: Help Please with dog!





>Sammy has three long narrow sores - one on the back of his neck and two on

his

>hind-end.  How can I tell if it is mange or hot spots and what can I do for

>it?  Last year I dipped him in a commercial dip and he started convulsing

>until I shampooed it out.  I trimmed his hair short and shaved around the

>sores then I mixed a small amount of dog dip and dabbed on the spots.  He

is

>very unconfortable but I don't know if it is that air is getting to his

skin

>(resulting from the trim) or if it is the sores or the stuff I dabbed on

him.

>Please Help!  I love this dog as much as a child but honest to goodness

can't

>take him to the vet - it costs $86.

>TIA

>JanieSue56@aol.com

>

JanieSue... there are several points which might be important here... such

information as breed and age, for example, (some breeds are more susceptible

to this kind of eruption than others, and for differing reasons ... age,

too, sometimes plays a role)... anyway... several responses have mentioned

aloe vera gel ... which I agree with wholeheartedly.  While there is clearly

some healing as a consequence, it is primarily for relief of the itch.  I

don't know where you live (region of the country) but many dogs develop

"regional" allergies as a result of such things as winter confinement, dry

indoor air, etc... climate-induced behavioral boredom stresses a dog's

system much as it does our own.  Moving on... while alt.vet.med is a broad

based websource I recommend Juliette de Bairacli Levy's book The Complete

Herbal Handbook for Farm and Stable, Faber and Faber Publishers, 1952 ...

1991.  Very useful book to have on your shelf and to read.  Lots of issues

will arise about "diet" for dogs... which are appropriate, which are not,

which are "quality" and which are not...sometimes it's only about HOW your

dog is fed... how much, time of day, frequency, etc... and not so much about

WHAT.  As a general matter of course, however, I think that you will find

most dog food preparations to be very scant on fats... increased fat intake

is a real boon to a dog -- particularly during the winter (here in the north

anyway) according better energy utilization, and better skin condition

(among other benefits).  Drizzle a bit of oil (such as olive) over your

dog's food... bacon fat, or even chicken or turkey broth will more than

likely help a good deal.



Another area of concern might be fleas... many individual dogs develop

extremely severe allergies to flea bites ... to the point of reacting

severely as a consequence of a single bite.  This usually is not so much the

problem during the winter but it CAN be... especially if your dog is in the

proximity of cats.



Have heard that Calendula helps with allergic dermatitis... but haven't

tried it so can't say anything from experience.



Good luck...

and feel free to contact privately should you wish.



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:18:38 -0700

--------

> you tried Aloe gel or salve?



The Complete Herbal for Dogs & Cats also recommends a applying a compress of strong

infusion of Rosemary.



I would also add (as I have done many times to my pooches when they get various icks

from running around

outside) Marshmallow Root.  Very soothing while the other herbs do the healing.



May very well be diet related - the recommended book also provides dietary suggestions

to help heal the wounds.  Avoid commericial dips at all costs!



It boggled my mind to see how many different ailments were treated via Rosemary in

animals.  Well beyond anything normal uses for humans.



Tom







Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!

http://www.mailexcite.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!

From: "Russell, Kenneth" <Thistle@CYBERSOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 13:35:30 -0500

--------

Zooky wrote:

>

> > you tried Aloe gel or salve?

>

> The Complete Herbal for Dogs & Cats also recommends a applying a compress of strong

> infusion of Rosemary.

>

> I would also add (as I have done many times to my pooches when they get various icks

> from running around

> outside) Marshmallow Root.  Very soothing while the other herbs do the healing.

>

> May very well be diet related - the recommended book also provides dietary suggestions

> to help heal the wounds.  Avoid commericial dips at all costs!

>

>

Just one more suggestion:  Bach Rescue Remedy Cream.  We have used it on

various and sundry "boo-boos" that the dogs get and have had great

success with it.

Margaret



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!

From: HINRG32353 <HINRG32353@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:19:07 EST

--------

hi,



Just wanted to share with you some similar experiences with my schnauzer...I

have been dealing with his constant scratching...making himself break open his

skin and bleed and scab over...probably what your dog is also doing...I've

taken him to the vet becuase I felt it was due to allergies...he sneezes too!



This is what they did for him...gave him a shot for allergies and then put him

on a low dose steriod and antihistamine...we did this for a 2 week duration

and it helped alittle...but after he got off the meds, he went right back into

scratchin...so we repeated the treatment for another 2 weeks...again he

started to scratch...but not enough to cause sores...so I guess it helped

alittle..but with the steriods he was gaining weight so I decided not to

continue with them...and just continued with the antihistamine for another 2

weeks....



Now I treat him myself with alfalfa tablets...3 a day...which will bost his

immune system...seems to be working...hardly scratching at all...



I'm not into meds for myself but natural supplements....so figured I'd treat

him like I would myself with allergies...thinking of also giving him

nettles....



Bathing him with aloe vera dog shampoo...and also have used tea tree oil

rubbed into his skin/fur!



Hope this helps, Sharon







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!

From: RickVanBen <RickVanBen@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 18:42:08 EST

--------

My fiance has helped many of our animals w/ similar and even more severe

problems using All Heal Salve by WiseWays herbals (nci).  I don't havr a phone

# or exact address but the jar says Worthington, MA 01098.  To quote its

contents "Olive oil, extracts of Burdock, Calendula, Comfrey, Chickweed,

Echinacea, Plantain, & St. John's Wort, Beeswax, Self Heal Flower & Eilat Gem

essences."



Good luck,



Rick

RickVanBen@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:12:15 -0900

--------

At 10:49 PM 3/22/98 EST, you wrote:

>Sammy has three long narrow sores - one on the back of his neck and two on

his

>hind-end.  How can I tell if it is mange or hot spots and what can I do for

>it?  Last year I dipped him in a commercial dip and he started convulsing

>until I shampooed it out.  I trimmed his hair short and shaved around the

>sores then I mixed a small amount of dog dip and dabbed on the spots.  He is

>very unconfortable but I don't know if it is that air is getting to his skin

>(resulting from the trim) or if it is the sores or the stuff I dabbed on him.

>Please Help!  I love this dog as much as a child but honest to goodness can't

>take him to the vet - it costs $86.

>TIA

>JanieSue56@aol.com

>

>

How about changing his diet to include REAL meat.  He may need more oils.

Commercial dog foods are full of grains and even sugars that are not really

good all the time for a carnivore like a dog.  They need a certain amount

of meat  in the diet for good health and shiny coat.

Supplement with cod liver oil as well.  There are some topical herbal

creams that can help with the sore spots.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!

From: Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 11:12:42 -0000

--------

-----Original Message-----

From: Juli Kight <castle67@CP.DULUTH.MN.US>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Monday, March 23, 1998 10:53 AM

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog!





Juli writes:





>If you absolutely cannot take Sammy to the vet, have you tried Aloe gel or

salve?

>For hot spots it recommends washing with non irritating soap once a week.

Dab the area

>with tea which contains tannic acid to dry the moisture, then use fresh

aloe three

>times a day. I was close. Stop using the aloe if pet continuously licks it

off or

>use commercial preparations of aloe.

>Hope this helps.

>Juli

>Herbs For Health

>

>JanieSue56 wrote:

>

>> Sammy has three long narrow sores - one on the back of his neck and two

on his

>> hind-end <snip> but honest to goodness can't

>> take him to the vet - it costs $86.

>> TIA

>> JanieSue56@aol.com

>



I add... please note the term "soap" above... and be careful to avoid

"detergents."  The only other observation is that it is not necessary to

desist from use of aloe because your dog licks it off.  Systemic use of aloe

is not harmful.



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Finding natural practitioners

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 22 Mar 1998 23:05:41 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-22 22:27:37 EST, you write:



<< well I guess my question to you Mary is just where do you find prof. help

that

 works with alternatives? I have had to find out about the wild yam creme

 through reading and message boards. I personally would love to have a prof.

 tell me what my needs are, herbally, or whatever other alternative method

 other then estrogen (premarian) or birth control pills. the creme does help

 with hot flashes, and many others I know of. thanks Debra





 ----------------------- Headers ----------- >>



I ADD:



There are a lot of naturopaths now practicing; plus more and more hospitals

have a wellness center attached where you can get referrals to other

alternative health professionals.  Here in Md. many of our health food stores

have lists of professionals and cards attached.  You can get a referral from a

friend.  The National Center of Homeopathy has a list of practicing

homeopaths, and there is alist of naturopaths available at their web site.

Herbalists are a bit harder to find but perhaps someone on the list can give

you a local referral.  Here we have alternative health newspapers with

advertisements for wellness centers (we are going to have ours ready in 2000).

You just to have to do a bit of looking and asking - networking I think and

you can find someone to help.



Also many accupuncturists are trained in chinese herbs and they can also give

you referrals to herbalists.



Hope you find someone -



Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com



                     **************



My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dog-chronic ear infection

From: Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 10:55:04 -0000

--------

: Monday, March 23, 1998 3:46 PM

Subject: Re: Dog-chronic ear infection





>I have a Shepard-Lab mix that has had a constant ear infection.

>Treatment by the vet with panalog & tresaderm in combo did not aliviate

>the condition.

>I mixed tea tree oil with olive oil and this did the trick. He no longer

>has the constant drainage and smell and no more head shaking or

>sensitive ear.

>--

>Vince Nola,  vnola@wzrd.com



Good choice, Vince... but just a quick question... what was etiology of the

"infection?"  Mites?  If so, just the olive oil may have been enough...

warmed.. (not hot) helps penetrate into the outter ear and provides a

residual coating which effectively suffocates the mites.



Scott

carlton@mint.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dog-chronic ear infection

From: vnola <vnola@WZRD.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 09:45:03 -0500

--------

I have a Shepard-Lab mix that has had a constant ear infection.

Treatment by the vet with panalog & tresaderm in combo did not aliviate

the condition.

I mixed tea tree oil with olive oil and this did the trick. He no longer

has the constant drainage and smell and no more head shaking or

sensitive ear.

--

Vince Nola,  vnola@wzrd.com

POINTer * 3572

Family tree information NOLA - CAPPELLINO - MILITELLO

http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/rockbridge/91/index.html







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: If U Gnu Noni, like I no Noni.......

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 06:43:51 -0700

--------

 Last week I started a chain on Noni (Morinda Citrafolia).  Save but for one message,

that chain has been used for everthing EXCEPT Noni (mumble, mumble).



I'll start a new chain - maybe that'll work.



I'm looking for people that either have used or are using Noni juice.  For what,

and what has been your experience(s)?



Thanks,

Tom



Note: MLM'rs need not apply







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: herb software/ Christopher Hobbs

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:23:37 -0500

--------

-

Elfreem asked-



>There are several software programs on herbal therapy: Can anyone provide

>information (for a complete review) on 1) Herbal Prescriber by Christopher

Hobbs...Also, who are the publishers for Herbal Prescriber....





I copied this (which includes the publisher's name)-



>The Herbal Prescriber is the first of a series of software titles to be

released by Botanica Press. >Future products include The Herbal Prescriber

Professional for health care professionals, and >The Herbal Prescriber

CD-ROM. Extra modules for this present program will also be available, >and

include the following:

>Herbal Constituents

>Herbal Medicine-Making



from the page here-



http://www.healthy.net/othersites/hobbs/Botanica/index.html



which can be also reached via what appears to be Hobb's Home Page, here-



http://www.healthy.net/othersites/hobbs/index.html



Joanie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: 'Herbs for Dental Health'

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 15:37:19 -0500

--------

A good article on 'Herbs for Dental Health' by Christopher Hobbs, can be

found here



http://www.healthy.net/hwlibraryarticles/hobbs/dental2.htm



Other articles by this herbalist can be found by following the links in my

previous post about his software



Joanie







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 'Herbs for Dental Health'

From: LuvlyLin <LuvlyLin@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 22:37:46 EST

--------

Chewing on twigs from a Neem plant (tree) provide anti-bacterial aid to the

gums. The trick is keeping your Neem alive when you bring it into the house

for winter.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 'Herbs for Dental Health'

From: SlappyGrrl <SlappyGrrl@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:04:20 EST

--------

Chewing Juniper berries will give you fresher breath.  Don't know if they have

any long term healthy-teeth affects, though.



~Rachel

Slappygrrl@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 'Herbs for Dental Health'

From: Bob Ratliff <bobratliff@USA.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 20:14:51 -0600

--------

One of the Juniper is said to help with diabetes.



Best Regards, Bob Ratliff









>Chewing Juniper berries will give you fresher breath.  Don't know if they

have

>any long term healthy-teeth affects, though.

>

>~Rachel

>Slappygrrl@aol.com

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 'Herbs for Dental Health'

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:44:57 -0900

--------

At 08:14 PM 3/26/98 -0600, you wrote:

>One of the Juniper is said to help with diabetes.

>

>Best Regards, Bob Ratliff

>

>

>

>

>>Chewing Juniper berries will give you fresher breath.  Don't know if they

>have

>>any long term healthy-teeth affects, though.

>>

>>~Rachel

>>Slappygrrl@aol.com

>>

>

>

Juniper is primarily a powerful diuretic.  It is used in many remedies for

this purpose.  Its use in diabetes would be in conjunctin with other herbs

not singularly.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 'Herbs for Dental Health'

From: Altownsend <Altownsend@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:42:10 EST

--------

If cedar twigs are breath freshener for humans does that mean cedar posts

would serve the same purpose for elephants?







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: 'Herbs for Dental Health'

From: SlappyGrrl <SlappyGrrl@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 07:05:18 EST

--------

<< If cedar twigs are breath freshener for humans does that mean cedar posts

 would serve the same purpose for elephants?  >>



Hmmm... interesting question.  Know anyone willing to smell an elephants

breath to test the thoery?  :)



~Rachel

  Slappygrrl@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ear pressure

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@LARC.NASA.GOV>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 16:01:21 -0500

--------

Hello All,

I'm getting ready for travel, and I kind-of dread traveling on the airplane

because of the

most uncomfortable experience I've ever had, previously----ear pressure.

While the aircraft climbed to the altitude of 27,000 feet, my ears popped, and

finally closed up. I could not hear, and the pain was almost unbearable. I

tried

yawning,  and moving my jaw around. It just didn't help. If anyone has any

suggestions

about what I could naturally ingest to prevent this from happening again, I

would

greatly appreciate it. Thanks ahead of time..



Blessings and Good Health;

Michelle







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Intro and Request

From: Lourdes Blandin <lblandin@USAID.GOV>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 17:31:21 -0500

--------

Hi Herblist, I am from Honduras, Central America, and I've been reading all

the interesting topics of this list for about four months.  Now I have a

request and hope you can help me!



I have a problem with my colon, the doctor says that is has to do with

stress, anyway I've been dealing with this problem over four years and

don't think is getting better. I stopped going to the gastroenterologist

because the medicine was helping but I prefer herbs.  I am taking anis and

cammomile tea but I would like to drink an antimflamatory tea for my bowels,

 I am a little constipated too, I eat a lot of vegetables and try to avoid

those like cabbage, lettuce, beans and all those who ferment give you gases

but  I guess I am loosing some weight because I feel so full of gas that I

don't get hungry as I was in the past.



Any advice will be helpful, and you can email me privately... TIA





Lourdes Blandin

USAID/Honduras, C.A.

email      lblandin@usaid.gov







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Help Please with dog

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 19:13:16 -0500

--------

what kind of sores are they? are they open, infected,itchy? i found that

when my dog started getting severe "hot spots" it was food allergies and i

changed her diet to an all natural pet food. that helped quite a bit.  is

he in pain? aloe sometimes works for poco - soothing and tastes too aweful

to lick off.



good luck!



bek



elizabek@vineyard.net

************************************

http://www.vineyard.net/biz/witches/

************************************







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Fumaria Officinalis L. (Fumitory)

From: "T'ainne Segal" <seagul1@VOICENET.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 20:51:04 -0500

--------

Hi,

I was reading that this plant(Fumaria Officinalis L.) was made into an

ointment then used for improving eyesight and for keeping plucked eyelashes

from regrowing.

I'd like to find something that retards hair growth.  Any suggestions, comments?

Terri







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Fumaria Officinalis L. (Fumitory)

From: Irena Franchi <d001720c@DC.SEFLIN.ORG>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:48:05 -0500

--------

Hi



What kind of sight problems does it cure?



Have you tried to cut it during the low quarter face moon?





Irena Franchi

d001720c@dc.seflin.org





On Mon, 23 Mar 1998, T'ainne Segal wrote:



> Hi,

> I was reading that this plant(Fumaria Officinalis L.) was made into an

> ointment then used for improving eyesight and for keeping plucked eyelashes

> from regrowing.

> I'd like to find something that retards hair growth.  Any suggestions, comments?

> Terri

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: AADD and herbal treatments

From: DWALLC <DWALLC@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 23 Mar 1998 22:23:16 EST

--------

Hi everyone,



I'm new to the list and I have a question that I hope some one can help me

with.  I am doing research for my partner who is writing a book on Adult

Attention Deficit Disorder.



My question, to anyone, is what herbal medicines can be used in mood disorders

such ADD, ADHD. etc. Please check out the introduction to the book on our

"What's New" page on our web site <A HREF="http://www.integrated-

therapy.com/">Welcome to Integrated Counseling Services, Inc.</A>



Any and all information would be greatly appreciated.



TIA,

Dee Wallace

Administrative/Research Assistant for

Integrated Counseling Services, Inc







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Low metabolism

From: Carrie9557 <Carrie9557@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 08:38:50 EST

--------

I have the metabolism of a "speed bump" and since a recent surgery my activity

is extremely limited.  I cannot afford to put on any more weight for fear of

the additional stress it places on my spinal fusion.  Does anyone know of any

herbs that could

help boost my metabolism until I can get back on my feet and increase my

activity??

Overall I eat quite healthy but I can still feel this brace getting tighter by

the day.  Thanks in advance.



Carrie

Carrie9557@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low metabolism

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:57:55 -0900

--------

At 08:38 AM 3/24/98 EST, you wrote:

>I have the metabolism of a "speed bump" and since a recent surgery my

activity

>is extremely limited.  I cannot afford to put on any more weight for fear of

>the additional stress it places on my spinal fusion.  Does anyone know of any

>herbs that could

>help boost my metabolism until I can get back on my feet and increase my

>activity??

>Overall I eat quite healthy but I can still feel this brace getting

tighter by

>the day.  Thanks in advance.

>

>Carrie

>Carrie9557@aol.com

>

>

Eat LESS!!  When you're activity level decreases, so does your need for

energy input.  There's some good eating guidelines in ENTERING THE ZONE by

Barry Sears.  Don't try to drive your system faster than it's designed to

run or you'll run it down and enter the viscious cycle of dependence on

stimulants.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low metabolism

From: SlappyGrrl <SlappyGrrl@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:01:50 EST

--------

<<I have the metabolism of a "speed bump" and since a recent surgery my

<<activity is extremely limited.  Does anyone know of any herbs that could

<<help boost my metabolism? Overall I eat quite healthy but I can still feel

this brace <<getting tighter by the day.  Thanks in advance.



<<Eat LESS!!  When you're activity level decreases, so does your need for

<<energy input.  There's some good eating guidelines in ENTERING THE ZONE by

<< Barry Sears.  Don't try to drive your system faster than it's designed to

<< run or you'll run it down and enter the viscious cycle of dependence on

<< stimulants.



I understand the logic of this, and agree that less intake of food is

necessary, but doesn't eating less slow the metabolism?  Or does it not matter

in this case since her intake would match her matabolism.  Just a little

confusion on my part.  Thanks!



~Rachel

Slappygrrl@aol.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low metabolism

From: "Lisa G. Dean" <matrac@ICI.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:40:20 -0500

--------

Hi,

  I work with a Doctor of Acupuncture and we prescribe a weight

management product that adjusts the metabolism to function efficiently.

Sparing a discourse on traditional Chinese Medicine here, I will just

list the herbs that are in the capsules and teas.  There are two

formulas.  Formula One: Poria, Folium Nelumbinis, Pericarpium Citri

Reticulatae, Fructus Crataegi, Semen Cassiae, Fructus Ziziphi Jujubae,

and Green Tea. Formula Two has: Fructus Crategi, Pericarpium Citri

Reticulatae, Semen Cassiae, Fructus Hordei Germinatus, Fructus Amoni,

Poria, Fructus Ziziphi Jujubae, Oolong Tea.  The herbal capsules contain

Semen Cassiae, Fructus Crataegi, Fructus Gardeniae, Fructus Lycii, Flos

Carthami. There are no other additives, colorings or ingredients. There

are no drugs or stimulants. Let me know if you need more information

about the herbs.

  I hope you are feeling better soon!



Lisa







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low metabolism

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 07:45:37 -0600

--------

Lisa, thank you for sharing this with us.  The Chinese formulas sound safe.

Would you mind posting the names of the two formulas?  Perhaps they can be

purchased at a Chinese Pharmacy.  I don't have a personal need but would

like to put in my files for possible future needs.



Rosie

natural@wt.net



Lisa G. Dean wrote:



> Hi,

>   I work with a Doctor of Acupuncture and we prescribe a weight

> management product that adjusts the metabolism to function efficiently.

> Sparing a discourse on traditional Chinese Medicine here, I will just

> list the herbs that are in the capsules and teas.  There are two

> formulas.  Formula One: Poria, Folium Nelumbinis, Pericarpium Citri

> Reticulatae, Fructus Crataegi, Semen Cassiae, Fructus Ziziphi Jujubae,

> and Green Tea. Formula Two has: Fructus Crategi, Pericarpium Citri

> Reticulatae, Semen Cassiae, Fructus Hordei Germinatus, Fructus Amoni,

> Poria, Fructus Ziziphi Jujubae, Oolong Tea.  The herbal capsules contain

> Semen Cassiae, Fructus Crataegi, Fructus Gardeniae, Fructus Lycii, Flos

> Carthami. There are no other additives, colorings or ingredients. There

> are no drugs or stimulants. Let me know if you need more information

> about the herbs.

>   I hope you are feeling better soon!

>

> Lisa







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low metabolism

From: "Lisa G. Dean" <matrac@ICI.NET>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:47:13 -0500

--------

Hi,

  Hope you are all enjoying this wonderfully warm day (in New England,

that is).

  The herbs of mention are called MayFlora Weight Balancing Series and

they are the number one selling formula for weight loss/ weight

management but good health in China, and are sold regularly in other

countries in the world. the two formulas come in a two box set, and are

simply known as formula One and Formula Two.  They are relatively new to

this country, but have won prestigious awards (verified and verifiable)

by the World Health Organization (health branch of the United Nations)

and the World Acupuncture Association.  Since they are used in a program

that doesn't eliminate food or cause diarrhea or starvation, their safe

in terms of maintaining a realistic eating pattern and not creating

dehydration.

  The herbs are distributed by a company in New Jersey and the phone

number is 800-645-8454.  The gentleman there speaks limited English, but

is very nice. If you would like more information about the herbs and

their mechanisms themselves,you are welcome to call the acupuncturist I

work with at 401-724-8259.  He has studied Chinese herbs extensively and

can discus how they work, their properties, etc.  Or, of course, if you

have specific questions, you can email me and I will pass on the message

to him.  He is not Internet ready yet, but is a nice guy and can

certainly help with specific questions.

  Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with. Have a nice

night!







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low metabolism

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:31:33 -0900

--------

At 07:01 AM 3/26/98 EST, you wrote:

><<I have the metabolism of a "speed bump" and since a recent surgery my

><<activity is extremely limited.  Does anyone know of any herbs that could

><<help boost my metabolism? Overall I eat quite healthy but I can still feel

>this brace <<getting tighter by the day.  Thanks in advance.

>

><<Eat LESS!!  When you're activity level decreases, so does your need for

><<energy input.  There's some good eating guidelines in ENTERING THE ZONE by

><< Barry Sears.  Don't try to drive your system faster than it's designed to

><< run or you'll run it down and enter the viscious cycle of dependence on

><< stimulants.

>

>I understand the logic of this, and agree that less intake of food is

>necessary, but doesn't eating less slow the metabolism?  Or does it not

matter

>in this case since her intake would match her matabolism.  Just a little

>confusion on my part.  Thanks!

>

>~Rachel

>Slappygrrl@aol.com

>

>

No not necessarily in the short run.  Your metabolism should stay basically

the same.  When you are using less energy, your body needs less to maintain

lean body mass (since there is probably less mass to maintain in a less

active person)  Any extra calories will be put into "storage".

There are variables of course in each person.  Some people utilize insulin

differently.  But basically, if your dietary habits remain the same,

metabolism doesn't change.  That statement is based more on WHAT you eat

than on how much.

Although overeating, after a long period of time can change your metabolism

by slowing it.  Undereating may cause a change in metabolism as well but it

takes a while for the damage to occur.

The trick is to find the BALANCE.  Don't overeat, don't undereat.  Eat what

is necessary to maintain lean body mass.



~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low metabolism

From: Altownsend <Altownsend@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 21:42:11 EST

--------

You are correct about the way fasting can slow metabolism, however, eating

less is probaly appropriate advice as well.  Breakfast, the most important

meal of the day is not the time to go hungry.  It's not necessary to eat a lot

at that time, but it's important to eat at least a light breakfast in order to

boost metabolism so that the body doesn't think it's being deprived.



Diet advice could be helpful, but I would be grateful for any info about

whether there are herbs that can be used to increase metabolism, energy, or

over all alertness for those of us who could benefit.

Thanks for all the good information I've seen posted on this list already.

Alan







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Low metabolism

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:47:05 -0900

--------

At 09:42 PM 3/26/98 EST, you wrote:

>You are correct about the way fasting can slow metabolism, however, eating

>less is probaly appropriate advice as well.

The key here is that fasting puts you into "famine mode".  So your body

tries to conserve.  If you eat less but enough to maintain lean body mass,

it will not slow metabolism.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: wasp stings

From: margo clayson <margo@GEMSTATE.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 10:21:15 -0700

--------

With the unseasonably warm weather we've been having, the wasps are coming

out of hibernation. Unfortunately for my 12yo son, one found its way into

his pillowcase last night and stung him on the upper lip as he put his head

down. We quickly put ice (actually, frozen berries) on the lip while I

checked my handy dandy herb guide (in this case, 'the herbal for mother and

child' by English author: Anne McIntyre). The only remedy we had on hand

(no plantain growing yet, no onions in the house, etc.) was fresh lemon

juice, so I squeezed the juice and soaked a lip-size cloth in it, laying

the cloth over the lip (which had swollen to amazing proportion by this

time) for the night.  This morning, there was no pain, although the

swelling was still noticeable. by 10:30 am (12 hours after the sting), the

swelling is almost completely gone, with no residual discomfort.

So...this is our experience...I would be interested in others experiences

with wasp/yellow jacket stings. Honey bee, bumble bee, spider bites- I am

interested in suggestions for them all- 'tis the season.

margo =-)



Email messages are for entertainment purposes, and are not an attempt to

treat or diagnose. See your health care profesional.

margo@gemstate.net







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Lori Herron <lori@GROUPUS.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:25:22 -0500

--------

It's not an herbal solution, but meat tenderizer (like Adolf's) when applied

to the sting site will break down the proteins in the venom and that reduces

the swelling almost entirely.  Works for most insect stings and bites.



Warmly,



Lori



Lori Herron

Alternative Nature Online Herbal

Come visit us at http://www.altnature.com!  Bring the whole family,

everyone's welcome!







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 11:20:21 -0700

--------

>It's not an herbal solution, but meat tenderizer (like >Adolf's) when applied to

the sting site will break >down the proteins in the venom and that reduces

>the swelling almost entirely.  Works for most insect >stings and bites.



Vegetarians may not have any meat tenderizer in the house, hehe.



I've also used just plain mud (dirt mixed with saliva). Animals bury their food in

dirt to help pre-digest it.

To be dug up and dragged in to the house right after you cleaned the carpet - who

says animals aren't smart?



Have also used slice of pineapple (bromelain) or slice of papaya (papain - which

pre-digests enzymes) - we usually have one or the other in the house.



If it's sting, remember to check and make sure the stinger has been removed otherwise

applying pressure of that nature squirts more venom out of the stinger.







Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!

http://www.mailexcite.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: "Sarah E., Flemming" <hitech@SCESCAPE.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 14:57:11 -0500

--------

At 11:20 3/24/98 -0700, Zooky wrote:

>>It's not an herbal solution, but meat tenderizer (like >Adolf's) when

applied to

>the sting site will break >down the proteins in the venom and that reduces

>>the swelling almost entirely.  Works for most insect >stings and bites.

>

>Vegetarians may not have any meat tenderizer in the house, hehe.

>

[snip]



That may be true, Tom, but meat tenderizer is papin made from papya and a

vegetable product. Put it in the first aid box if you don't eat meat.



Sarah

=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=

Sarah E., Flemming

http://www.scescape.net/~hitech/

ICQ #939732

=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=$=







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Raymond Giacobone <rg2mucs@ATLAS.MOA.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:48:03 -0400

--------

It sounds like he is developing an allergy to the acid in the venom.  If

you put some windex on the sting when it happens it will help alot.  It

works with mosquito bites as well.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 15:38:16 EST

--------

Not herbal... I use baking soda to neutralize the venom, then douse with

witchazel/walnut husks/oak bark solution.

foxhillers







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Paula Baumgartner <yogt@KIVA.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 22:40:11 PST

--------

I have thre crews in my landscaping company and we use Giant Blue Lobelia leaves.  There is nothing faster or beter and we have members who are highly allergic and have never had a reaction after a sting. Boil quickly, 1/4 c water and 3 or 4 leaves.  (I usae the microwave in serious painful stings.)  Put on the sting and hold to it with a band aid.



----------







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 16:06:09 EST

--------

I was working for a garden center in Central FL, when I was stung by a wasp.

It felt like fire and started to swell. I was offered witch hazel solution and

a cotton ball. I put it on the sting and immediately felt relief from the

pain.

I put on a little more and then I was able to see the redness go away and by

the next day you could still see the site of the sting, a little red mark, but

no paing and no swelling. Now when we have problems with fire ants, or bees,

etc... We reach for the distilled witch hazel. Nothing works for us like it.



                     Laura

           Herbldy11@aol.com

               Plant City, FL.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 17:56:29 EST

--------

One of the major rules of thumb is that herbs that attrack bees (many of the

flowering ones) can also be an antidote for the sting.  I keep Bee Balm and

Basil in the garden just for this purpose.  Just crush up a leaf and apply to

the sting. Other herbs to use are clary sage (insert bites); juice from the

honeysuckle vine; crushed parsley will neutralize poison and stop insert bite

pain in addition to the steps already posted today.



If you know you are going to be in an area that has a lot of inserts (gardens,

etc.) if you take  a cap/tab of 100 mg of thiamine it will keep insects away.

If camping or outside for several days you can take several caps/tabs per day.



In health -



Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com



                     **************



My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 18:02:34 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-24 17:45:45 EST, you write:



<< With the unseasonably warm weather we've been having, the wasps are coming

 out of hibernation. Unfortunately for my 12yo son, one found its way into

 his pillowcase last night and stung him on the upper lip as he put his head

 down. We quickly put ice (actually, frozen berries) on the lip while I

 checked my handy dandy herb guide (in this case, 'the herbal for mother and

 child' by English author: Anne McIntyre). The only remedy we had on hand

 (no plantain growing yet, no onions in the house, etc.) was fresh lemon

 juice, so I squeezed the juice and soaked a lip-size cloth in it, laying

 the cloth over the lip (which had swollen to amazing proportion by this

 time) for the night.  This morning, there was no pain, although the

 swelling was still noticeable. by 10:30 am (12 hours after the sting), the

 swelling is almost completely gone, with no residual discomfort.

 So...this is our experience...I would be interested in others experiences

 with wasp/yellow jacket stings. Honey bee, bumble bee, spider bites- I am

 interested in suggestions for them all- 'tis the season.

 margo =-)



 Email messages are for entertainment purposes, and are not an attempt to

 treat or diagnose. See your health care profesional.

 margo@gemstate.net

  >>



Echinacea has been used effectively for snake bites and spider bites.

Ellingwood also cited a case of tarantula bite in which echinacea removed all

trace of the poison (Bergner, 1997). It might work for wasp stings as well.





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



(contact me at Elfreem@aol.com for information on how to subscribe to a new

herb/ nutrition newsletter that will be free ...at least for 6 months)







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Phil Penne <phil@ICUBED.NET>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 07:27:06 -0500

--------

I'm assuming this is a topical application of the Echinacea - is that, in

fact, the case?  If so, would you know what type of topical application it

was - poultice, tincture, etc.?



Thanks!



Phil Penne



-----Original Message-----

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Tuesday, March 24, 1998 6:08 PM

Subject: Re: wasp stings





>

>Echinacea has been used effectively for snake bites and spider bites.

>Ellingwood also cited a case of tarantula bite in which echinacea removed

all

>trace of the poison (Bergner, 1997). It might work for wasp stings as well.

>

>

>Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

>Midwest Shared Newsletter

>Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists

>

>(contact me at Elfreem@aol.com for information on how to subscribe to a new

>herb/ nutrition newsletter that will be free ...at least for 6 months)

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Lory2x2 <Lory2x2@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 19:18:49 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-24 12:17:50 EST, you write:



<< I would be interested in others experiences with wasp/yellow jacket stings.

Honey bee, bumble bee, spider bites- I am  interested in suggestions for them

all- 'tis the season. >>

Hi Margo - we use a salve of olive oil, beeswax, dandelion, echinacea, & st.

john's wort - it works really well.     Lory



Lory2x2@aol.com

 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/lory2x2/">Lory's Herb Page</A>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: wasp stings

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 08:13:46 -0600

--------

Tom, next time a wasp decides to bless me with his sting, I will try to remember

your experiment and apply the echinacea and report back to you and the group.

Perhaps the others might do the same for a clinical study.



Rosie

natural@wt.net



Zooky wrote:



> >Echinacea has been used effectively for snake bites and spider bites.

> >Ellingwood also cited a case of tarantula bite in which echinacea removed all

> >trace of the poison (Bergner, 1997). It might work for wasp stings as well.

> >

>

> Still looking for volunteers, eh, Elliot?

> (just joking, !HONEST!)

>

> Tom

>

> Free web-based email, Forever, From anywhere!

> http://www.mailexcite.com







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Bach Rescue Remedy Cream

From: "M.Paul" <agasaga@SHASTA.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 12:37:42 -0800

--------

> What is Bach Rescue Remedy Cream?



The Bach Flower Remedy is a type of herbalism in which the flower essence

works towards bringing about emotional and mental health of a person.



The Bach Rescue Remedy Cream consists of a combination of Cherry Plum (fear

of mental collapse), Clematis (absent-mindedness), Impatients

(irritability), Rock Rose (panic), Star of Bethehem (all effects of bad

news) It's recommended for serious stress or bereavement.



Hope that helps,

Mary







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bach Rescue Remedy Cream

From: "Russell, Kenneth" <Thistle@CYBERSOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:35:19 -0500

--------

Kristina Clair wrote:

>

> ||

> ||> What is Bach Rescue Remedy Cream?

> ||

> ||The Bach Flower Remedy is a type of herbalism in which the flower essence

> ||works towards bringing about emotional and mental health of a person.

> ||

> ||The Bach Rescue Remedy Cream consists of a combination of Cherry Plum (fear

> ||of mental collapse), Clematis (absent-mindedness), Impatients

> ||(irritability), Rock Rose (panic), Star of Bethehem (all effects of bad

> ||news) It's recommended for serious stress or bereavement.

>

> can i get more info on this - does it come all together? where would i

> get it? how would i use it? how much would i use?

>

> ||

> ||Hope that helps,

> ||Mary

Here is a Website for the Bach remedies.  As to where you can get them,

I get mine at a local health food store.  If you do a web search, I used

Alta Vista, there are quite a few sites to explore.

Margaret

http://www.skynet.co.uk/bach/







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: US Herb rules and your suggestions

From: Rosie Lloyd <natural@WT.NET>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 20:02:49 -0600

--------

Had new client today and applied all that you wrote.  First though I would sound

like someone who doesn't know anything about anything, but then remembered that

you said I could tell me what the law is.  that made it much easier.  Used great

deal of third party literature.  Not as difficult as I had anticipated.  Thanks

for protecting my petals and roots.



Am working on a written disclaimer to put in my files.  Do you agree with that?

sorry took so long to respond, wanted to try it out.



Rosie

natural@wt.net



NE Hrb Sup wrote:



> In a message dated 98-03-13 03:43:32 EST, you write:

>

> > Peter,  I've labeled myself as an consultant.  Have been concerned and thank

> > you

> >  pointing out possible problems.  Would you expound on "be careful, be

> safe".

> >

> Rosie,

>

> Don't diagnose - don't prescribe. let the person tell  YOU what is wrong and

> then point them in the right direction  - give them books or papers to read -

> SUGGEST things - and suggest taking your suggestions to their primary care

> provider  -  and explain that you can't prescribe anything - it is the law -

> tell them what you would do - were it you faced with the same circumstance -

> but be sure to let them know that if they chose to do what you would do if it

> were you - without consulting anyone else, they are self medicating -

> peter







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: ADD Research

From: DWALLC <DWALLC@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 24 Mar 1998 23:35:57 EST

--------

Hi,



I recently joined the list and am doing research on herbal uses with mood

disorders such as ADD, ADHD, etc.  If anyone has any information that they

could pass  on  I would be very grateful.



TIA,

Dee

(dwallac@aol.com)







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ADD Research

From: gigi <sycco@EROLS.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 05:27:23 -0500

--------

I'm no research specialist--but I was diagnosed as adult ADD and given

Wellbutrin.--

I switched to an infusion of 1-2 teaspoons of hypericum in juice,  and feel

much better, and stable.

The "science" would be valuable to have, good searching.

Fjoe







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ADD Research

From: Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:30:30 -0000

--------

Tomatos....



Scott



-----Original Message-----

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR <HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR>

Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 7:55 PM

Subject: Re: ADD Research





>In a message dated 98-03-25 12:06:06 EST, you write:

>

><<

> << << herbal uses with mood

>   disorders such as ADD, ADHD, etc.  >>

>  We use both St John's Wort (hypericum) and valerian while minimizing

>  neurostimulatns like coffee.

>   >>

> Thank you,

> Dee >>

>OOps... and neurotoxins minimized.... white potatoes, green peppers,

eggplant

>(therre's one other that evades me.)

>mjh

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ADD Research

From: Lori Herron <lori@GROUPUS.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 10:51:43 -0500

--------

There's an article on my personal experience with my son's ADD on our web

site in the library.  http://www.altnature.com/Library.htm.  Also, Eileen

Nauman is running a study on the effects of crimson columbine flower essence

and ADD.  You could write her at docbones@sedona.net.  Hope that helps.



Warmly,



Lori



Lori Herron

Alternative Nature Online Herbal

Come see us at http://www.altnature.com!







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ADD Research

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 11:39:57 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-25 02:19:08 EST, you write:



<< herbal uses with mood

 disorders such as ADD, ADHD, etc.  >>

We use both St John's Wort (hypericum) and valerian while minimizing

neurostimulatns like coffee.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ADD Research

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:54:15 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-25 12:06:06 EST, you write:



<<

 << << herbal uses with mood

   disorders such as ADD, ADHD, etc.  >>

  We use both St John's Wort (hypericum) and valerian while minimizing

  neurostimulatns like coffee.

   >>

 Thank you,

 Dee >>

OOps... and neurotoxins minimized.... white potatoes, green peppers, eggplant

(therre's one other that evades me.)

mjh







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ADD Research

From: Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 15:05:49 -0500

--------

||

||In a message dated 98-03-25 12:06:06 EST, you write:

||

||<<

|| << << herbal uses with mood

||   disorders such as ADD, ADHD, etc.  >>

||  We use both St John's Wort (hypericum) and valerian while minimizing

||  neurostimulatns like coffee.

||   >>

|| Thank you,

|| Dee >>

||OOps... and neurotoxins minimized.... white potatoes, green peppers, eggplant

||(therre's one other that evades me.)

||mjh

||

hmmmm....here's an interesting tangent - what foods have which beneficial

health effects (or a much less annoying way might be to give me a source).



--

"My liver is bad, well--let it get worse!"

-dostoevsky







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ADD Research

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:14:16 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-25 19:06:40 EST, you write:



<<

 << (therre's one other that evades me.)

  mjh



   >>

 Thanks MJH, Dee >>

Let me do this again.... neurotoxins that contain solanine tomatoes, white

potatoes, green peppers and eggplant.  These veggies are all in the nightshade

family.

MJH







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: ADD Research

From: Gaia Herbs <Gaiaherbs@CITCOM.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 15:36:45 -0500

--------

Hi, Denise- At our annual herb symposium last May we had Tieraona Low Dog,

M.D. speak on management of ADD.  It was a most excellent lecture.  If you

email me with your address, I will be happy to send you a copy of the

transcript of the lecture (it's only 4 or 5 pages). She also said to write

to her for a bunch of free information. Her address is:

112 Hermosa S.E.

Albuquerque, NM  87108

505-232-3161

I hope this helps. She is very knowledgeable- her son was diagnosed with ADD.

Anna Fletcher

GaiaHerbs@Citcom.net

AFletcher@GaiaHerbs.com

Brianna@Citcom.net



At 09:29 AM 3/26/98 -0500, you wrote:

>To All List Members,

>

>I would like to clarify something .  I started this thread asking for herbal

>treatments for ADD.  I am not the one who put the foul message under this

>heading and I did report it to AOL.

>

>I am still seeking information on any natural treatments for ADD, ADHD, etc.

>Respectfully,

>Denise Wallace

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thanks for your help

From: DianaFiona <DianaFiona@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 00:58:38 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-24 10:23:34 EST, you write:



<<

 I have replied privately relative to the diet but would submit here that

 such a range of allergies suggests a generalized systemic histamine

 response rather than an item by item allergy.  Lowering overall histamine

 may be assisted by inclusion of ground-up burdock root in his food.



 Scott Carlton

  >>

    Ooooooh, is that also true for humans? If so, would a capsule or a tea be

the best form to take it in? (Can't get the fresh root here unless you grow

it, and my supply is used up until the new crop is in this fall.)

    As an additional query, are there expectorants that some of the

experienced folks like better than horehound? As clogged as my head can get

this time of year I would love to find something more powerful........... ;-)



    Diane Walker







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thanks for your help

From: Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:15:13 -0500

--------

this is more along this lines of what i was wondering -- are there herbal

antihistamines, or is that a whole different approach to medicine than

herbal treatment?  If it is a different approach, what exactly would be

the theory in treating allergies with herbs?  please excuse my ignorance,

but i am on this list to learn!



(such a solution, for me, would have to be relevant to both food

allergies and air allergies).



thanks



||

||In a message dated 98-03-24 10:23:34 EST, you write:

||

||<<

|| I have replied privately relative to the diet but would submit here that

|| such a range of allergies suggests a generalized systemic histamine

|| response rather than an item by item allergy.  Lowering overall histamine

|| may be assisted by inclusion of ground-up burdock root in his food.

||

|| Scott Carlton







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thanks for your help

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:33:03 -0900

--------

At 02:15 PM 3/25/98 -0500, you wrote:

>this is more along this lines of what i was wondering -- are there herbal

>antihistamines, or is that a whole different approach to medicine than

>herbal treatment?  If it is a different approach, what exactly would be

>the theory in treating allergies with herbs?  please excuse my ignorance,

>but i am on this list to learn!

>

>(such a solution, for me, would have to be relevant to both food

>allergies and air allergies).

>

>thanks

>

>||

>||In a message dated 98-03-24 10:23:34 EST, you write:

>||

>||<<

>|| I have replied privately relative to the diet but would submit here that

>|| such a range of allergies suggests a generalized systemic histamine

>|| response rather than an item by item allergy.  Lowering overall histamine

>|| may be assisted by inclusion of ground-up burdock root in his food.

>||

>|| Scott Carlton

>

>

You can approach herbal treatments in an "allopathic" (e.g. conventional)

modality or a "holistic" (e.g. whole body treatment) way.  There are some

other methods as well but they can be classed in these categories.

You can use herbs to "reduce histamines" or you can treat the whole body to

deal with imbalance rather than aiming at a single symptom. In a holistic

viewpoint, you need not even know there ARE histamines.  It is interesting

to know but unnecessary to treating holistically.

Your body is made up of several balanced systems.  When one of them gets

out of balance, all systems can suffer.  Your systems will try to cover for

the one out of balance and they may show inflammation or "heat" as a result

of their stress.

The aim of holistic treatment would be to discover why the body reacts with

a particular symptom and treat the cause of it, not the symptom.

Conventional medicine focuses on pathogens and trys to purge or neutralize

them to affect a cure.  It would probably not see past the fact that the

histamines are out of whack.  They'd just give you and antihistamine and

call it good.  You can treat the same way with herbs but there's a much

better way to utilize herbs.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thanks for your help

From: MSPANO <MSPANO@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:30:19 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-25 21:37:05 EST, you write:



<< are there herbal

 >antihistamines, or is that a whole different approach to medicine than

 >herbal treatment?  If it is a different approach, what exactly would be

 >the theory in treating allergies with herbs? >>

There is a different approach which worked very well for me.  For years, I

suffered allergies from tree and grass pollen.  Four years ago I visited a

practitioner of acupuncture.  Not a sniffle or sneeze from allergies since.

Understand that more that one visit is required.  Years of suffering was

alleviated in 8 sessions.  Good luck.

Michael







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Clearing the head.

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 06:52:32 EST

--------

Horseradish mixed with lemon juice works good for clearing the head.

Depending on the congestion, Mullein works well, so does cayenne if you are

trying to clear the drainage from the throat. You just take a spoon of that

horseradish and that seems to do it for us.



              Laura

        Herbldy11@aol.com

This is imformation only not meant to diagnose or prescribe.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Clearing the head.

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 17:15:42 -0900

--------

At 06:52 AM 3/25/98 EST, you wrote:

>Horseradish mixed with lemon juice works good for clearing the head.

>Depending on the congestion, Mullein works well, so does cayenne if you are

>trying to clear the drainage from the throat. You just take a spoon of that

>horseradish and that seems to do it for us.

>

>              Laura

>        Herbldy11@aol.com

>This is imformation only not meant to diagnose or prescribe.

>

>

That can help.  You must also make sure elimination is uninhibited. If the

"bottom" is plugged, the "top" will fill up.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal History Trivia Game 7

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 08:50:47 EST

--------

One of the most interesting stories of the 19th century involves a man

named Samuel Thompson, who came to be known as the "Steam and

Puke" doctor, literally changed the way medicine was practiced in the

United States. Thompson was born in 1769. In 1796, when the doctors

had practically given up as hopeless the case of his daughter who was

ill with scarlet fever,  he tried a steam cure and was convinced that it

saved his child.



At that point he began a system for curing diseases. He had no formal

education, but with nature as his guide and experience as his instructor,

he conceived and brought forth the "only correct theory of treatment",

according to Thompson.



Thompson's cures brought vociferous criticism from the regular members

of the profession, but in 1813 the United States Patent Office granted a

patent for the exclusive right to market six of his preparations for healing

diseases. After patenting his "system" he authorized agents to sell "family

rights" to his practice for twenty dollars. This allowed an individual to

receive instructions on how to use Thomson's method of cure and to practice

his

method on his family. For one hundred dollars, an individual could practice

on other than family members but needed to take a sworn statement not

to reveal the secrets of the system.



>From 1822 to 1837, Thompson enjoyed a popularity more extensive than

any other unorthodox system in the history of the United States. In 1833,

the editor of the Thomsonian Recorder wrote  "Two years ago a man did

not dare to come out boldly to avow himself in favor of the Thompsonian

plan of curing disease unless he wished to be ridiculed, but now a majority

of the people of my acquaintance do not use any other remedies."



Thompson's system was a huge success and his "New Guide to Health"

went through 13 editions. The Thompsonian Recorder listed 167 authorized

agents in 1833. By the 1840s, Thompson and his agents had sold

approximately 100,000 patents and it was estimated that approximately

three million people were practicing his botanic do-it-yourself medicine.



Question: What were Thompson's theories about healing and why were his

remedies so popular? Why was the Thompsonian movement important and

what can we learn from it today?





Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



(contact me at Elfreem@aol.com for information on how to subscribe to a new

herb/ nutrition newsletter that will be free ...at least for 6 months)







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia Game 7

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:43:04 -0500

--------

ok herbies - here's one way you can find answer to Elliot's question...go to

Henriette's HerbFaq (which I am sure you have ALL read already prior to

joining the list) pages, specifically, part 6 (of 7),  at

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediher6.html



where among other things, you will figure out that old "Steam and

Puke" Samuel Thompson loved to use cayenne and lobelia to steam and

puke....now go check it out now, ok?

I'm gonna go henna my hair and go play in the sunshine befere it rains..



Joanie



>Question: What were Thompson's theories about healing and why were his

>remedies so popular? Why was the Thompsonian movement important and

>what can we learn from it today?

>







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia Game 7

From: macphee <macphee@NET1PLUS.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:46:08 -0500

--------

>Question: What were Thompson's theories about healing and why were his

>remedies so popular? Why was the Thompsonian movement important and

>what can we learn from it today?



Okay, I've gone back to Henriette's Website and have exerpted, and quoted

some of what has been written there (Article from The Herbalist, newsletter

of the Canadian Herbal Research Society. COPYRIGHT June 1989) as another

partial anwer to Elliot's herbal history trivia question (one of the few

true things that I was taught in school is that if you do not study and

learn from the past, you are doomed to repeat it).....



Thompson, who

" believed that medicine should be based exclusively upon observation"and

that the

" formulation of theories...prevented ordinary people from taking

responsibility for the care of their own health"

did develop his own theory that

"disease was the result of a decrease or derangement of the vital fluids,

brought about by a loss of animal heat. The resulting symptoms were

interpreted as efforts of the Vital Force to rid itself of the toxic

encumbrances thus generated. Essentially, treatment was aimed at restoring

vital energy and removing disease-generated obstructions.



"In specific terms, Thompson believed that in restoring vital heat by means

of steam baths and cayenne (Capsicum annum), toxins which obstructed health

would be thrown into the stomach where they could be eliminated by emetics

such as Lobelia inflata (Griggs, 1981).



"This simple theory constituted a dramatic departure from pure folk medicine

in that it recognized and sought to treat an underlying, fundamental cause

of illness. Moreover, in perceiving symptoms as an expression of the

organism's defensive efforts, this theory implied that the treatment of

symptoms and illnesses, per se, might actually hinder the healing process.



"Thompsonianism became a potent influence on the development to two major

streams of thought within American herbalism.



"The earliest of these was 'Eclecticism', founded by a man who had originall

y apprenticed to an old German non-Thompsonian herbalist, and who later

qualified as a 'regular' medical doctor...



"The second major stream of thought in American herbal medicine, which arose

directly out of the Thompsonian movement, was 'Physiomedicalism'.



"...both systems, together with a version of Thompsonianism,...were

eventually integrated into one system of professional herbal medicine,

regulated by law and still taught in the U.K.



"The importance of supporting vital force and of eliminating accumulated

toxins is also still widely recognized and practised...."



now, if you missed my post yesterday, you can go to Henriette's HerbFaq,

specifically, part 6 (of 7),  at

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/mediher6.html

and read the whole article from which this was exerpted and add more to this

answer!



Joanie







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal History Trivia Game 7

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 09:57:37 EST

--------

Herbal History Trivia Game 7



>One of the most interesting stories of the 19th century involves a man

>named Samuel Thompson, who came to be known as the "Steam and

>Puke" doctor, literally changed the way medicine was practiced in the

>United States. Thompson was born in 1769. In 1796, when the doctors

>had practically given up as hopeless the case of his daughter who was

>ill with scarlet fever,  he tried a steam cure and was convinced that it

>saved his child.

>

>At that point he began a system for curing diseases. He had no formal

>education, but with nature as his guide and experience as his instructor,

>he conceived and brought forth the "only correct theory of treatment",

>according to Thompson.

>

>Thompson's cures brought vociferous criticism from the regular members

>of the profession, but in 1813 the United States Patent Office granted a

>patent for the exclusive right to market six of his preparations for healing

>diseases. After patenting his "system" he authorized agents to sell "family

>rights" to his practice for twenty dollars. This allowed an individual to

receive

>instructions on how to use Thomson's method of cure and to practice his

>method on his family. For one hundred dollars, an individual could practice

>on other than family members but needed to take a sworn statement not

>to reveal the secrets of the system.

>

>From 1822 to 1837, Thompson enjoyed a popularity more extensive than

>any other unorthodox system in the history of the United States. In 1833,

>the editor of the Thomsonian Recorder wrote  "Two years ago a man did

>not dare to come out boldly to avow himself in favor of the Thompsonian

>plan of curing disease unless he wished to be ridiculed, but now a majority

of the people of my acquaintance do not use any other remedies."

>

>Thompson's system was a huge success and his "New Guide to Health"

>went through 13 editions. The Thompsonian Recorder listed 167 authorized

>agents in 1833. By the 1840s, Thompson and his agents had sold

>approximately 100,000 patents and it was estimated that approximately

>three million people were practicing his botanic do-it-yourself medicine.

>

>Question: What were Thompson's theories about healing and why were his

>remedies so popular? Why was the Thompsonian movement important and

>what can we learn from it today?



Answer:



Thompson believed that all disease is the effect of one general cause, and

may be removed by one general remedy. He considered all animal bodies

to be formed of four elements: earth and water, air, and fire or heat ..the

cause of life and motion. In a state of health a definite balance is

maintained

among these elements, but a change in any one of them naturally upsets

the equilibrium. Cold, or lessening of the power of heat by the obstruction

of perspiration, causes all diseases, for it is simple knowledge that no

person ever dies of heat; to restore health one has to return heat to its

natural extent. When this is done, it is necessary for the system to be

cleared of all obstructions and to have restored natural perspiration. He

believed this system was applicable to all diseases for all mankind, and the

only differences the doctors might see would be individual variations in

temperaments "of the constituent elements".



Thompson's medical beliefs were similar to theories in vogue during the

16th and 17th centuries. Disease resulted from clogging of the system and

could be removed by restoring the digestive powers, so that food "may keep

up that heat on which life depends." Bleeding, he said, lessened the heat

and gave "double power to the cold." Relying on herbal he used lobelia (also

called pukeweed after he made it famous), "hot" botanicals such as red

pepper; and steam treatments. His method involved a six-step process

using emetics, purgatives, and sweat-producing herbs. He used lobelia in

combination with red peppers to create "natural heat" to cleanse the

stomach, overpower the "cold", and to promote free perspiration. After a

second steam bath he used red peppers again along with ginger and black

pepper to maintain the stomach's "heat" and to encourage free perspiration.

Then to "scour" the stomach and bowels he used bayberry, the root of white

pond lily, the inner bark of hemlock, the root of marsh rosemary, leaves of

witch hazel, leaves of red raspberry, or squaw weed (cocash). The fourth step

was to use bitter herbs (one of either balmony, bitterroot, poplar bark,

barberry,

or the root of goldenseal) to correct the bile and restore digestion. The

fifth step consisted of one of four tonic plants ..(usually peach meats or

cherry stones)

plus sugar and brandy. Step 6 consisted of Thompson's famous Rheumatic

Drops (known popularly as "No. 6") to remove pain and restore the body's

"natural heat", which contained gum myrrh and cayenne pepper in a wine or

brandy.



Thompson's methods fell out of favor because he and his system were too

rigid and could not adapt to new information. Thompson believed that his

system was good for ALL conditions and nothing needed to be changed;

he fought any modification of his system with a vengence. Eventually, the

Thompsonian movement split off into several other similar movements and

evolved into the Eclectic movement.



The reasons for the great popularity were fairly obvious. It was a relatively

simple system; it linked up closely with the Indian herb practice, belief in

which was deep-seated in the minds of many people. It offered a solution to

the problem of a doctor shortage. Any one could practice botanic medicine

without any previous experience or training and it was profitable for those

who promoted his system. To his credit, Thompson did not believe in blood-

letting nor in use of minerals containing mercury or arsenic which were

popular at the time. If nothing else, his system didn't result in unintential

morbidity as did many of his contemporaries. His methods were similar to

the European health resorts of this century -- internal cleansing and

removing toxins.



What can be learned??? First, that anyone with enough intelligence and

motivation can help others ...without formal education. Second,  that

alternative methods can overcome criticism by spreading the word through

a grass roots movement. Don't look for help from the establishment until

alternative users and practitioners become part of the establishment AND

THAT WILL HAPPEN. Third, while it may seem unorthodox to current

medical tradition internal cleansing and removing of toxins may have validity

for a variety of conditions. Fourth, individuals and systems of treatment

need to change along with the advent of new and reliable information. Fifth,

if we don't learn from the past, we are sure to repeat it -- the herbal

movement

that is in place today seems like it will last, but let's not take a chance on

anything. It's our responsibility to spread the word and look for

opportunities

to help others. Lets not be rigid in our approach, but look for new and valid

information that may affect our thinking and our methods. I'll have more to

add

in another segment.



References (well worth reading for all history buffs):



Midwest Pioneer: His Ills, Cures, & Doctors. by Madge Pickard, 1946.

Medical Protestants: The Eclectics in American Medicine, 1825-1939. by John S.

Haller Jr., 1994





Herbally Yours,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter Service

Member, Assocation of Natural Medicine Pharmacists



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Madagascar Periwinkle

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 13:49:57 EST

--------

Hi guys -



Has anybody had experience with this herb.  I have had a request to grow it as

it was a component in some chemo therapy a dentist-friend of mine had one and

a half years ago.  He has now requested that I grow it either for a tea blend,

or to do flower essences.  I do know of it's toxicity but can anybody give me

any experiences with it?



Anybody even heard of it for cancer use?



Thanks -



Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com



                     **************



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Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Madagascar Periwinkle

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 18:30:38 EST

--------

<<

Hi guys -



Has anybody had experience with this herb.  I have had a request to grow it as

it was a component in some chemo therapy a dentist-friend of mine had one and

a half years ago.  He has now requested that I grow it either for a tea blend,

or to do flower essences.  I do know of it's toxicity but can anybody give me

any experiences with it?



Anybody even heard of it for cancer use?



Thanks -



Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com

>>



Madagascar periwinkle (Vinca rosea) is the plant from which comes vinblastine

and vincristine. Both of them were some of the first cancer chemotherapeutic

agents in the U.S. You may find the plant name as Catharanthus roseus. I'll

see if I can find more information ..the problem being the amount of active

constituents and proper dose ...too much might be fatal.



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Madagascar Periwinkle

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:48:28 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-25 18:44:39 EST, you write:



<< .the problem being the amount of active

 constituents and proper dose ...too much might be fatal.



 Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor >>



I ADD:



Thanks Elliot - that is my worry too.  I was wondering if any of the

herbalists out there had actually used it.  Anybody?  My next step is to go to

the docs and find out about the chemo formula and discuss it with them.



In health -



Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: A new gardener ...  :)

From: AnglicOne <AnglicOne@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:06:06 EST

--------

I would love to start my own herb garden and think I could get something to

grow but what do I do with it after it grows ????  I know this is probably a

dumb question but I really have no idea ...  :)   or can someone suggest a

book or books that can help me get started with this ...  I love plants but

don't have a green thumb at all ...  I have been known to kill a cactus ...

LOL...  any h*lp would be appreciated !!!!



       ....... Valerie







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: A new gardener ...  :)

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:29:47 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-25 14:09:39 EST, you write:



<< I would love to start my own herb garden and think I could get something to

 grow but what do I do with it after it grows ????  I know this is probably a

 dumb question but I really have no idea ...  :)   or can someone suggest a

 book or books that can help me get started with this ...  I love plants but

 don't have a green thumb at all ...  I have been known to kill a cactus ...

 LOL...  any h*lp would be appreciated !!!!



        ....... Valerie

  >>

A good place to start would be to pick which culinary herbs you like to cook

with and then try to grow them.  You can use them in cooking either fresh or

dried.  To dry them just pick off a small bunch tie the ends with string and

hang upside down in a dry (not anywhere near humidity) for about 2 weeks.

Then you can strip the stems either by hand or put in a brown paper bag and

shake the dried bits loose.  Store in dark glass bottles and use as you need

for cooking.  Be sure on the day that you pick your herbs to dry that there is

very little humidity in the air and that the plant is dry.  Don't pick on a

day that it has rained because you are setting the plant up for mildew or

other problems.



A good growing book is "Growing & Using Healing Herbs" by Gaia and Shandor

Weiss, published by Wing Books out of NY ISBN#0-517-06650-5.  I know the title

says using *healing* herbs but a lot of culinary herbs are healers too.



Favorites to start with might be basil, oregano, thyme, rosemary, chamomile,

dill, sage, parsley, etc.  But you have the idea.  It's wonderful to pull your

own dried herb off the shelf in mid-winter and add it to soups or stews.

Beats going to the store!



In health -



Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com



                     **************



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Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal antihistamines

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 16:28:03 -0500

--------

Nettles are herbal antihistamines, good for allergies and skin

irritations when applied topically.  However herbalism works at its

strongest when you analyze diet, lifestyle and other stresses to your

health that make you vulnerable to allergens in the first place.  Dietary

changes, herbal alteratives (like the burdock Scott suggested), attention

to your liver and the use of herbs to build up resistance can all help..

There are even techniques you can use to build up your tolerance to

allergens, but the basic work needs to be done first.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 14:15:13 -0500 Kristina Clair <kclair@SAS.UPENN.EDU>

writes:

>this is more along this lines of what i was wondering -- are there

>herbal

>antihistamines, or is that a whole different approach to medicine than

>herbal treatment?  If it is a different approach, what exactly would

>be

>the theory in treating allergies with herbs?



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lung Cancer

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:49:27 EST

--------

    I've just learned that a radiologist friend of mine has lung cancer in the

upper left lobe which is collapsed. It has also affected the hylind

tissue/nerves in the throat.  My friend is 55... yes, time of that dreaded

second Saturn return.

    Any and all herbal/nutritional suggestions and recommendations are deeply

appreciated. Sensible, realistic and sound.

     I have the Essiac formula and have used it for several years, augmented

with this and that in my own effort to come to grips with fibromyalgia.

     Thank you, one and all

mjh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lung Cancer

From: DWALLC <DWALLC@AOL.COM>

Date: Wed, 25 Mar 1998 23:13:45 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-25 22:04:04 EST, Foxhillers@AOL.COM writes:



<<  I have the Essiac formula and have used it for several years, augmented

 with this and that in my own effort to come to grips with fibromyalgia.

      Thank you, one and all

 mjh

  >>

MJH, you have FMS too?  Me, yep.  Could you xplain the Essiac formula you use,

I hate taking the medications from the doctor and would love to try the

natural path.

Thanks,

Dee







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lung Cancer

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:05:44 -0900

--------

In the treatment of Lung cancer the patient needs constant surveillance and

adjustment of medications to balance the treatment over its changes.

Cancer in general is a very difficult degenerative condition to treat

either herbally or allopathically.  Because of its whole body affects, I

think that holistic treatments would shine over other methods.

Unfortunately, research has been limited or hindered by the allopathic

community to allopathic treatments.  They haven't come up with anything

better than chemotherapy or radiation treatments for many years.  Obviously

something better is needed.

  I would strongly suggest that a person with cancer actually SEE a

practitioner for proper treatment.  While discussion on this list is

interesting and can be helpful, there's no way you can treat a person with

knowledge obtained from a few paragraphs off the internet.  I've seen

cancer successfully resolved using herbs, Chinese medicine (herbs and

acupuncture), and homeopathy.

  The father of a close friend was cured of bladder cancer using ESSIAC and

dietary changes when chemotherapy had failed.

  ESSIAC can be helpful in some cases but not all.  It would be good to

consult a practitioner for proper dosage, treatment and supplementary herbs

to target the particular problem as each case is different.

  I would like to hear other cancer cases treated with herbs and how they

have responded to the treatment.  But if you are seriously ill with this

life threatening disease, please see a professional and get proper

treatment.  Don't rely on simple posts to a discussion list.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lung Cancer

From: Stellapr <Stellapr@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:11:32 EST

--------

Some herbs that may be helpful in cancer are: cats claw, red clover, essiac

tea, pau d" arco, calcium-d glucarate (breast),  chaparrel leaf, selenium, and

many more.  There are books available that will give you alot of information

on this. Diane







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Thompson system...

From: Kathy Chappell <kchappy@JUNO.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 01:09:49 -0800

--------

Elliott asked about the Thompson system and I found this about it:



http://www.cl.utoledo.edu/canaday/quackery/quack3b.html



The first popular quackery movement in America was Thomsonianism, founded

by Samuel Thomson (1769  1843). He believed disease resulted from a

clogged system and was cured by purging and sweating. But unlike heroic

doctors, Thomson opposed mineral purgatives like Calomel in favor of

distillates of native American vegetables, and eschewed bloodletting. He

received a patent for his "system" in 1813 which he promoted in

Thomsonian Materia Medica and A New Guide to Health. While he was highly

critical of formal medical training for doctors, in 1840 he opened his

own Botanic Medical College in Columbus, Ohio. This is one of many

examples of how quack movements assumed the trappings of traditional

medicine to improve credibility.



I thought the term "quack" came from those drs that administered mercury.

Interesting.....Thanks Elliot



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thompson system...

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 09:16:27 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-26 04:11:24 EST, you write:



<< distillates of native American vegetables, >>

we simple folks call these HERB blends and even thank our Native american

brothers and sisters today for sharing their healing ways.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thompson system...

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 14:19:58 -0900

--------

At 01:09 AM 3/26/98 -0800, you wrote:

>Elliott asked about the Thompson system and I found this about it:

>

>http://www.cl.utoledo.edu/canaday/quackery/quack3b.html

>

>The first popular quackery movement in America was Thomsonianism, founded

>by Samuel Thomson (1769  1843).

>I thought the term "quack" came from those drs that administered mercury.

>Interesting.....Thanks Elliot

>

>

The term comes from the Dutch word Quacksalver which means mercury.  The

term quack was first given to those who espoused the use of mercury as a

cure-all.  It really did cure disease.  Those given mercury often never

suffered anything at all ever again.  There were horrible side effects as

well.

Thompson may have been called a "quack" by some but he was certainly not

the first to be called that.  It was a well established term long before he

came around.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thompson system...

From: Tony Juhasz <juhasz@NORTEL.CA>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:36:00 EST

--------

In message "Thompson system...", you write:



> At 01:09 AM 3/26/98 -0800, you wrote:

> >Elliott asked about the Thompson system and I found this about it:

> >

> >http://www.cl.utoledo.edu/canaday/quackery/quack3b.html

> >

> >The first popular quackery movement in America was Thomsonianism, founded

> >by Samuel Thomson (1769  1843).

> >I thought the term "quack" came from those drs that administered mercury.

> >Interesting.....Thanks Elliot

> >

In english:  quicksilver, mercury

In German     Quecksilber

In Dutch  :   Mercurius

quicksilver

  1. kwik, kwikzilver

Where did you get your info???



> >

> The term comes from the Dutch word Quacksalver which means mercury.  The

> term quack was first given to those who espoused the use of mercury as a

> cure-all.  It really did cure disease.  Those given mercury often never

> suffered anything at all ever again.  There were horrible side effects as

> well.

> Thompson may have been called a "quack" by some but he was certainly not

> the first to be called that.  It was a well established term long before he

> came around.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Thompson system...

From: "Michele D. Hirt" <shely@BIGFOOT.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:27:49 -0500

--------

>In english:  quicksilver, mercury

>In German     Quecksilber

>In Dutch  :   Mercurius

>quicksilver

>  1. kwik, kwikzilver

>Where did you get your info???

>

>> >

>> The term comes from the Dutch word Quacksalver which means mercury





The German Quecksilber sounds an awful lot like Quacksiver to me.  Remember,

German and Dutch are often confused - the "Pennsylvania Dutch" are really

Deutsch.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal Antihistamines and wasp stings

From: Aliceann Carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 10:45:09 -0000

--------

Paula --



Your message and its attached thread really, in my opinion, begs two

different subjects/responses.  On the one hand we are continuing with the

histamine/antihistamine discussion to which I have replied in brief, and

been seemingly roundly chastised by Anita ... nonetheless... my observation

stands in this regard.  (And, to answer, another question, the same issues

are valid in humans as well ... btw... burdock root may be used in the

spring as well as harvested in the fall.)



The second issue though, regarding wasp/hornet/bee stings ... you "notice,

after those events, ...." I would submit that the injection and subsequent

release of yellow jacket "pheromone" is not a particularly likely event.  A

nervous response on your part, however, is a very real possibility (I know

it would be for me!) ... and, as every beekeeper from the venerated Sherlock

Holmes on down knows, it is ill-advised to work with bees if you are not

comfortable around them.  They do, indeed, pick up on increased adrenalin

and upon the sweat odor which accompanies this response... and they often

react as if this poses a threat to them and to their colony.  Thiamine does,

indeed, help by in certain cases, as it is excreted with the sweat...

although the particular action (i.e. is it in fact the thiamine, or is its

presence masking some other irritant in the sweat) remains unclear.  As to

your second point, I am unaware of any herb which will "specifically" target

the breakdown of "pheromones" (which, as I mention above are probably NOT

present) ... or which will otherwise make one less attractive (actually

threatening) to the hymenoptera... although, one should clearly stay away

from bananas before going into wasp/bee/hornet country... the benzaldehyde

in bananas ("banana oil")... is the same chemical as is found in the "alarm

odor" of many of these insects ... if, when around a hive of bees, you

suddenly seem to smell bananas... it's time to leave.



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net





From: Paula Moran <gemhound@DNET.NET>



>

>Oh, I did notice, after those events, that I was attracting yellow jackets.

I

>believe the accumulated stings put pheromones into my system that drew them

to

>me.  This raises two areas of inquiry:

>    1.  Someone suggested taking thiamine before going out where wasps are.

ARe

>there other things that also cause people to be unattractive to wasps,

hornets,

>et al.?

>    2.  Are there herbs that can breakdown any such pheromone buildup in

the

>body, so the victim is no longer attracting the victimizer wasp or hornet?

(Gee,

>that sounds a lot like a human-interacction question -):

>

>    Thanks,

>    Paula Moran

>

In a message dated 98-03-24 10:23:34 EST, you write:

>> >||

>> >||<<

>> >|| I have replied privately relative to the diet but would submit here

that

>> >|| such a range of allergies suggests a generalized systemic histamine

>> >|| response rather than an item by item allergy.  Lowering overall

histamine

>> >|| may be assisted by inclusion of ground-up burdock root in his food.

>> >||

>> >|| Scott Carlton

>> >

>> >

>> You can approach herbal treatments in an "allopathic" (e.g. conventional)

>> modality or a "holistic" (e.g. whole body treatment) way.

>> You can use herbs to "reduce histamines" or you can treat the whole body

to

>> deal with imbalance rather than aiming at a single symptom. In a holistic

>> viewpoint, you need not even know there ARE histamines>> The aim of

holistic treatment would be to discover why the body reacts with

>> a particular symptom and treat the cause of it, not the symptom.

>> Conventional medicine focuses on pathogens and trys to purge or

neutralize

>> them to affect a cure.  It would probably not see past the fact that the

>> histamines are out of whack.  They'd just give you and antihistamine and

>> call it good.  You can treat the same way with herbs but there's a much

>> better way to utilize herbs.



>> Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal Antihistamines and wasp stings

From: Paula Moran <gemhound@DNET.NET>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:26:47 -0500

--------

Hi All,

I too am delighted at all I'm learning from this wonderful list.



Anita has asked about herbal antihistamines and, simultaneously, there's been the

wasp sting discussion.  Last year, after 3 separate attacks by yellow jackets

where I was stung over 15 times each, I had to start taking a medical

antihistamine (after stings).

So I'm wondering if perhaps some of the anti-histamine herbals might help with

the stings too.



Oh, I did notice, after those events, that I was attracting yellow jackets.  I

believe the accumulated stings put pheromones into my system that drew them to

me.  This raises two areas of inquiry:

    1.  Someone suggested taking thiamine before going out where wasps are.  ARe

there other things that also cause people to be unattractive to wasps, hornets,

et al.?

    2.  Are there herbs that can breakdown any such pheromone buildup in the

body, so the victim is no longer attracting the victimizer wasp or hornet?  (Gee,

that sounds a lot like a human-interacction question -):



    Thanks,

    Paula Moran



Anita Hales wrote:



> At 02:15 PM 3/25/98 -0500, you wrote:

> >this is more along this lines of what i was wondering -- are there herbal

> >antihistamines, or is that a whole different approach to medicine than

> >herbal treatment?  If it is a different approach, what exactly would be

> >the theory in treating allergies with herbs?  please excuse my ignorance,

> >but i am on this list to learn!

> >

> >(such a solution, for me, would have to be relevant to both food

> >allergies and air allergies).

> >

> >thanks

> >

> >||

> >||In a message dated 98-03-24 10:23:34 EST, you write:

> >||

> >||<<

> >|| I have replied privately relative to the diet but would submit here that

> >|| such a range of allergies suggests a generalized systemic histamine

> >|| response rather than an item by item allergy.  Lowering overall histamine

> >|| may be assisted by inclusion of ground-up burdock root in his food.

> >||

> >|| Scott Carlton

> >

> >

> You can approach herbal treatments in an "allopathic" (e.g. conventional)

> modality or a "holistic" (e.g. whole body treatment) way.  There are some

> other methods as well but they can be classed in these categories.

> You can use herbs to "reduce histamines" or you can treat the whole body to

> deal with imbalance rather than aiming at a single symptom. In a holistic

> viewpoint, you need not even know there ARE histamines.  It is interesting

> to know but unnecessary to treating holistically.

> Your body is made up of several balanced systems.  When one of them gets

> out of balance, all systems can suffer.  Your systems will try to cover for

> the one out of balance and they may show inflammation or "heat" as a result

> of their stress.

> The aim of holistic treatment would be to discover why the body reacts with

> a particular symptom and treat the cause of it, not the symptom.

> Conventional medicine focuses on pathogens and trys to purge or neutralize

> them to affect a cure.  It would probably not see past the fact that the

> histamines are out of whack.  They'd just give you and antihistamine and

> call it good.  You can treat the same way with herbs but there's a much

> better way to utilize herbs.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal support re lung cancer please

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 16:32:48 EST

--------

Hi all

     I learned last night that a close friend, D, has a collapsed upper lobe

of left lung along with involvement in the throat... and a diagnosis of cancer

is most likely. Testing now underway. My friends are in shock.

     This is a most knowledgable group and I ask that you share your

herbal/nutritional wisdom with me . How have others used which herbs in what

dosages to help deal with lung cancer, possible radiation and/or chemotherapy,

etc.

      My thanks to you all in advance.  I will keep you posted, if you are

interested.

Regards

Marilyn Hampstead

foxhillers@aol.com

PS Please email me privately with any other resources, websites, messages

boards, lists that may be helpful.  Thanks







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "earmites"

From: Elizabeth Scotten <elizabek@VINEYARD.NET>

Date: Thu, 26 Mar 1998 19:30:43 -0500

--------

I never have come accross them in dogs, but with the cats i use an infused

oil of mullein and garlic. i would think that that would be helpful with a

"yeast" prob or other infections in the ear.



Be Well,



bek



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "Our Bodies, Ourselves"

From: Roseb44170 <Roseb44170@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 00:12:54 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-02-28 21:56:35 EST, you write:



<< << Anybody still got a copy of "Our Bodies, Our Selves"? >> >>



Actually I do!  I don't remember buying it but it is on my bookshelf.  Even

though the information is dated, some of it is still very helpful.  I don't

know how the book got there but I'm glad its there.  Provides a whole lot of

insight.  And its a better read because it gives actual women's views and such

and isn't a text book kind of book.



There is another book in the book shelf and I don't know how it got there

'cause I didn't buy it but its still a good read.  It's called "Everything you

wanted to know about sex but were afraid to ask" - now how did that get there?



Rose

http://members.aol.com/Roseb44170/home.html

"How did I ever get talked into this?"







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: "Our Bodies, Ourselves"

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:44:06 -0500

--------

"Our Bodies, Ourselves" was updated and reissued a year or two ago.  I

had several versions as a teen, starting with the newsprint magazine

version that eventually expanded into the book.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lung Cancer/fms essiac

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 01:04:45 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-25 23:16:12 EST,

dee writes:



<< JH, you have FMS too?  Me, yep.  Could you xplain the Essiac formula you

use,

 I hate taking the medications from the doctor and would love to try the

 natural path >>

Dee-

    I home brew my own  and call it "Ojibwa Herb Tea" with the basic sheep

sorrel, burdock, turkey rhubarb root and slipper elm, Then I add other stuff

that I think may be helpful to me, depending on the season and where my health

is at,  like dandelion, milk thistle, stinging nettles, mullein for starters.

I forage a lot of stuff, peferring to use fresh plant material wheneve

possible.

     You local health food store will probably carry several brands, some

ready to use and others needing to be prepared first.  Good luck.  It took

seven years to get a diagnosis that made sense.

      Essiac is best known for its nutritional value for folks with cancer and

diabetes, I understand.  But, a good tonic is a good tonic.

MJH



mjh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Lung Cancer/fms essiac

From: timo <maclover@IX.NETCOM.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 17:40:01 -0500

--------

Foxhillers wrote:

>

> In a message dated 98-03-25 23:16:12 EST,

> dee writes:

>

> << JH, you have FMS too?  Me, yep.  Could you xplain the Essiac formula you

> use,

>  I hate taking the medications from the doctor and would love to try the

>  natural path >>



do research on the www on essiac.....lots to be learned on the subject

before buying anything....and when you do buy and make the tea....best

besure its the real stuff.

i am brewing some this weekend :) my first time.

thanks







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dry Eyes

From: Stellapr <Stellapr@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 05:34:40 EST

--------

My mother is having alot of problems with dry eyes.  Does anyone know of any

herbs that may help her?  Thanks!!!!  Diane







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Eyes

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:02:20 -0900

--------

At 05:34 AM 3/27/98 EST, you wrote:

>My mother is having alot of problems with dry eyes.  Does anyone know of any

>herbs that may help her?  Thanks!!!!  Diane

>

>

Hmmmm.  Some more information would be helpful but in the meantime check

her environment for allergens.  This may be an indication of heat in the

liver.  Get her off caffeine and alcohol and use some herbs to diffuse heat

like Yarrow, Peppermint, Boneset, Sage, etc.  Some liver herbs like

Dandelion root might be helpful as well.

This symptom alone is not real helpful.  It would be good to know her diet

and exercise routines, any chronic health conditions, her age and general

health, history of eye problems in the family, how much water does she

drink, etc etc.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Eyes

From: TeraGram <teragram@SILCOM.COM>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:36:26 -0800

--------

Anita posed:

This symptom alone is not real helpful.  It would be good to know her diet

and exercise routines, any chronic health conditions, her age and general

health, history of eye problems in the family, how much water does she

drink, etc etc.



==========================

and I add:



It would also be beneficial to observe her during sleep.



It *could be* that she sleeps with her eyes open.  I know this sounds

strange, but I know it happens.  I suffer from it myself.  While I have

known a person who was able to fall asleep with their eyes WIDE open, that

is often not the case.  In my case (and most others) it just happens that

our faces become so relaxed during sleep that the eyes partially open.

Since the "system" isn't kept tightly shut as in normal sleep, drying of

the tissues does happen.



If this is the case she must:



1.) DEFIANTLY increase her water intake. This has a 2-fold purpose. 1.) To

fully hydrate the body & minimize damage. 2.) To increase her chances of

awakening during the night so she can put some drops in her eyes. (see #3

below).



2.) NEVER wear her contacts to bed. (if she wears them at all)



3.) ALWAYS have a bottle of saline or artificial tears eyedrops at her

bedside.  I believe it is imperative to note here that a home-brew

concoction is probably ill-advised.  Sterility is important considering the

eyes' weakened state in this condition.



- Tera (who freaked out her hubby the first time he ever noticed this

phenomenon)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Eyes

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 07:12:11 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-30 00:07:15 EST, you write:



<< >My mother is having alot of problems with dry eyes.  Does anyone know of

any

 >herbs that may help her?  Thanks!!!!  Diane

 > >>



I ADD:



Also does she use a computer a lot of time - we are finding that that is

contributing to many dry eye conditions and there are different things to do

for that.  Let us know.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com



                     **************



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Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Eyes

From: Moses <whitters@GIS.NET>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:08:58 -0500

--------

At 07:12 AM 3/30/98 EST, you wrote:

>Also does she use a computer a lot of time - we are finding that that is

>contributing to many dry eye conditions and there are different things to do

>for that.  Let us know.

>

>In health -

>Mary Conley, MNH

>The Conley Farm

>Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

>email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com

>

>                     **************

I've been having that problem ever since I got my computer two months ago.

I din't realize the connection.  Is there something simple that I can do to

stop this?  Thanx

                        Whitney







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Eyes

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:24:29 -0700

--------



>I've been having that problem ever since I got my >computer two months ago.

>I din't realize the connection.  Is there something >simple that I can do to stop

this?



Tinted glasses help (grey), as do anti-glare screens.

In my case, using it less also gets less glares from

my spouse - that's a win-win situation.



tom







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Eyes

From: "Michele D. Hirt" <shely@BIGFOOT.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:28:38 -0500

--------

>I've been having that problem ever since I got my computer two months ago.

>I din't realize the connection.  Is there something simple that I can do to

>stop this?  Thanx

>                        Whitney







I find an eyewash of Eyebright infusion refreshing.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry Eyes

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:00:18 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-30 16:25:41 EST, you write:



<< I've been having that problem ever since I got my computer two months ago.

 I din't realize the connection.  Is there something simple that I can do to

 stop this?  Thanx

                         Whitney



  >>



I ADD:



Yes there are a few things you can do.  I went and actually got a pair of

"computer glasses" specially designed to help with the glare and the repeating

light frequencies within the screen.  Since then no dry burning eyes at night

after a day of heavy use.  Cut down on migraines also.  You have to

specifically ask for them because the Rx is different depending upon the

distance you are away from the computer.  Mine ran me about $l60 because of

the special coating on the lenses but I think well worth it and you can

probably get them at a better price than I.  I went for convenience.



Also in our pharmacy we carry a special eye drop called "computer drops" (yes

imagine what I said when I saw them - so now we have computers with physical

problems?!!).  They are put out by Bausch & Lomb (nci) and are beginning to be

available at pharmacies.  They are mainly glycerin but my eye doc told me any

lubricant will do.  These run about $10.00 when lubricants can run as low as

$3.00.



Then there are screens you can get for the front of your computer that do what

I think my glasses are doing - shield the eyes from repetitive tiny flashes

and from the glare.  Don't know the cost since we didn't go that way.



To keep this on an herbal level I was using Eyebright droplets in my eyes over

the fall.  It did help some but found I had to use it more often than the

drops and now with the glasses I use it for outside irritations to my eyes.



Hope this helps -

Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com



                     **************



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Cao Gio

From: "N.Erickson" <nerick@INAV.NET>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:27:25 +0000

--------

Hi,

 Any member have knowledge of "coining" - called Cao Gio in Vietnamese,

Cheut Sah or Quat Sha in Chinese, I believe.  The "symptomatic area" is

massaged with medicated oil(s)?  Then rubbed in a downward linear fashion with the

edge of a coin or other object until redness occurs.  This is believed ot get rid of the

body of "bad winds" that cause fever, seizures, chills, headaches, cough, vomiting or

other symptoms.

I would appreciate any corrections to the above, and inquire to what the medicated

oil(s) consist of.  I assume this is a herbal mixture?



Regards,

N.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cao Gio

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 15:15:08 -0500

--------

I have had the procedure done- called "spooning", using the edge of a

spoon.  The method is good at increasing the permeability of the skin and

for getting rid of gas bubbles which have been lodged in parts of the

body outside of the digestive tract (probably via increased capillary

activity).



The oil used was Po Sum On oil, a medicated infused and essential oil

mixture with peppermint, dragon's blood resin, scullcap, cinnamon, and

camphor.  The oil, which is similar to red Tiger's Balm, but less thick,

is good at dispelling wind with or without the spoon (or coin).



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:27:25 +0000 "N.Erickson" <nerick@INAV.NET> writes:

>Hi,

> Any member have knowledge of "coining" - called Cao Gio in Vietnamese,

>Cheut Sah or Quat Sha in Chinese, I believe.  The "symptomatic area" is

>massaged with medicated oil(s)?  Then rubbed in a downward linear

fashion >with the edge of a coin or other object until redness occurs.

This is believed

>ot get rid of the body of "bad winds" that cause fever, seizures,

chills, >headaches, cough, vomiting or other symptoms.



>I would appreciate any corrections to the above, and inquire to what

>the medicated oil(s) consist of.  I assume this is a herbal mixture?

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cao Gio

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@MAIL.SDSU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 12:34:34 -0800

--------

To N,



I had this procedure done about a year ago - the oil used on me was

eucalyptus. It was scraping more than rubbing, it was painful and I turned

bright red, then black and blue which lasted for about 4 days. But strange

as it may seem, I believe it helped my condition which was chronic pain

across my shoulders.  Natalie





>Hi,

> Any member have knowledge of "coining" - called Cao Gio in Vietnamese,

>Cheut Sah or Quat Sha in Chinese, I believe.  The "symptomatic area" is

>massaged with medicated oil(s)?  Then rubbed in a downward linear fashion

>with the

>edge of a coin or other object until redness occurs.  This is believed ot

>get rid of the

>body of "bad winds" that cause fever, seizures, chills, headaches, cough,

>vomiting or

>other symptoms.

>I would appreciate any corrections to the above, and inquire to what the

>medicated

>oil(s) consist of.  I assume this is a herbal mixture?

>

>Regards,

>N.





Natalie Pastor

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Cao Gio

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:37:36 -0700

--------



>eucalyptus. It was scraping more than rubbing, it was >painful and I turned bright

red, then black and blue



Probably was because the procedure is known simply as "scraping".  Chinese tea spoons

(big ones) made from porcelain are best for this.  Don't try it with an object that

has a sharp edge.  I've had it done followed by 'cupping', this left all sorts of

interesting marks all over my body.  People asked me how the other guy looked.



Tom











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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbs Grown Indoors VS. Outdoors

From: Corey Brand <cbrand@SERVICES.STATE.MO.US>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:55:37 +0000

--------

Is anyone aware of any significant difference in the  medicinal

qualities of herbs raised indoors vs. ones raised outdoors?  I was

thinking that ones grown indoors would be healthier plants since

their climate can be more easily controlled, thus producing higher

quality oils and etc.  But then I also think the confined space of a

pot might somehow also adversely affect the plant, such as how a

smaller aquarium adversely affects tropical fish.



I am also curious about any observations the change in seasons affect

the quality of indoor-grown herbs.  Our house pets will still get

winter coats even though they never go outside, so what changes are

noticible in medicinal herbs?



        -Corey





e-mail:  cbrand@mail.state.mo.us







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs Grown Indoors VS. Outdoors

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:16:06 -0500

--------

On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:55:37 +0000 Corey Brand

<cbrand@SERVICES.STATE.MO.US> writes:

>Is anyone aware of any significant difference in the  medicinal

>qualities of herbs raised indoors vs. ones raised outdoors?  I was

>thinking that ones grown indoors would be healthier plants since

>their climate can be more easily controlled, thus producing higher

>quality oils and etc.  But then I also think the confined space of a

>pot might somehow also adversely affect the plant, such as how a

>smaller aquarium adversely affects tropical fish.



I don't know of studies, but my teachers don't use herbs unless they are

grown in their own type of environment.  IOW, if you don't live in a

Mediterranean climate and grow lomatium, don't expect it to have the same

medicinal value as lomatium grown in California.  Some plants grow most

everywhere and  it is fine to grow them most anywhere.  But if I could

get chapparal to grow in Brooklyn, I wouldn't expect it to have the same

effect as chapparal grown in the desert.  The strength of the sun is a

major determinant of medicinal value, and indoor light is invariably

weak.  But shade plants may do well and you can probably overwinter

perennials indoors, then return them outside for medicinal strength

leaves and flowers.  Many cullinary herbs will do well too.





Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs Grown Indoors VS. Outdoors

From: HERBALS <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 18:34:20 EST

--------

In a message dated 3/27/98 3:50:31 PM Eastern Standard Time,

cbrand@SERVICES.STATE.MO.US writes:



<< Is anyone aware of any significant difference in the  medicinal

 qualities of herbs raised indoors vs. ones raised outdoors?  >>



All plants, especially medicinally, are much higher quality, and have more

medicinal values when grown outside, copying their natural habitat as much as

possible.



One example that immediately comes to mind is ginseng and goldenseal.  I

planted my seeds mimicking the natural habitat where it thrives as close as

possible.  I then let them fend for themselves.  When I do that, I can get

prices close to wildcrafted, instead of cultivated prices because the

medicinal value is so much higher.



Tamara

HERBALS@aol.com

ICQ#9986370







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs Grown Indoors VS. Outdoors

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 19:23:52 -0600

--------

YOU WROTE:

Is anyone aware of any significant difference in the  medicinal qualities of herbs raised indoors vs. ones raised outdoors?  I was thinking that ones grown indoors would be healthier plants 



I ADD:

It is just the opposite.  The strong light, wind and stuggle to survive cause the essential oils and other properties of medicinal plants to be more concentrated  than pampered "hothouse" plants.  Greenhouse growers must use fans to blow plants around a bit or the stems are so weak they bend of their own weight.  Even outdoors, plants given an abundance of fertilizer and water become overly lush and suseptible to disease.  



The best plants are those which recieve "just enough" but not an abundance, just as eating enough and physically working enough makes us healthy, but over indulging cause health problems.  The fight to survive makes us stronger; so to does it improve plants.  

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbs Grown Indoors VS. Outdoors

From: Herbgrow30 <Herbgrow30@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 21:33:37 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-27 15:48:30 EST, you write:



<< I am also curious about any observations the change in seasons affect

 the quality of indoor-grown herbs.  Our house pets will still get

 winter coats even though they never go outside, so what changes are

 noticible in medicinal herbs?



         -Corey

  >>



I ADD:



I am convinced that no matter how hard I try to duplicate mother nature - it's

can't be done.  Most of the medicinals I grow inside in the winter do o.k.

Some do not.  But none have the beauty, the "greenness", the fragrance of

those that grow outside in their natural habitat and live in the outdoors here

on the east coast of the U.S.  Some herbalists may differ with that statement

- for me, I use the greenhouse as a necessity for things I absolutely have to

have over the winter, but my plants get evicted as soon as I can safely get

them into the garden again.



In health -

Mary Conley, MNH

The Conley Farm

Medicinal Herbs & Tinctures

email at;  Herbgrow30@aol.com



                     **************



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Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Sensitive Teeth

From: Lockridge Grace <S_LOCKRIDGE@VENUS.TWU.EDU>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 09:33:15 -0600

--------

Does anyone know of an herbal treatment for sensitive teeth?



Respond to s_lockridge@twu.edu







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sensitive Teeth

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:08:08 -0900

--------

At 09:33 AM 3/27/98 -0600, you wrote:

>Does anyone know of an herbal treatment for sensitive teeth?

>

>Respond to s_lockridge@twu.edu

>

>

Sensitive teeth ar often caused by receeding gums which expose the roots.

Brushing with Myrrh can help this situation as can putting a drop or two of

Tea Tree oil on the toothbrush.  Then you must treat the system:  Take care

of the stomach and digestive tract using tonic herbs for this such as

Swedish Bitters, Dandelion root, Gentian, etc.

Make corrections in the diet to maximize health of the digestive tract.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Standardization

From: MBurke1671 <MBurke1671@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:09:12 EST

--------

Umm...I don't really Know what to say to this....Except to an educated person

it's all wrong.

Orange pulp isn't SUPPOSED to be completely digested.   It is composed of

plant fiber with Beta 1,6 glycosidic bonds....not 1,4 bonds which humans have

the enzymes to digest.   Therefore....eating" A piece ot the Rind"... isn't

going to help digest the 'pulp'.

    I've never heard of watermelon causing people to "bloat with edema".  I

Simply have just never heard of this. Once again, as a plant product,

"eating the seeds" will not help as we ...HUMANS, do not have the digestive

enzyme that herbivors have, and therefore CANNOT DIGEST seeds.   They end up

being excreted unchanged.   The same follows for 'Grape Seed Extract".

Except that I disagree with the stated Irony.... You see...one can eat all the

seeded grapes one wants; you will just get diarrhea.   You cannot extract the

vitamins, peptides, and minerals that are contained withih the seeds.    You

may as well purchase the SEEDLESS GRAPES....and enjoy eating THEM.



MBurke1671







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Standardization

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:17:04 -0900

--------

At 01:09 PM 3/27/98 EST, you wrote:

>Umm...I don't really Know what to say to this....Except to an educated person

>it's all wrong.

>Orange pulp isn't SUPPOSED to be completely digested.   It is composed of

>plant fiber with Beta 1,6 glycosidic bonds....not 1,4 bonds which humans have

>the enzymes to digest.   Therefore....eating" A piece ot the Rind"... isn't

>going to help digest the 'pulp'.

>    I've never heard of watermelon causing people to "bloat with edema".



You'd have to have REALLLY have damaged digestion for this to happen.

Watermelon generally causes you to urinate more not less. Chomping on the

watermelon seeds is supposed to help elimate worms too.  Watermelon is an

extremely cold and wet food, very yin.  If you have problems with yin it's

best avoided.



I

>Simply have just never heard of this. Once again, as a plant product,

>"eating the seeds" will not help as we ...HUMANS, do not have the digestive

>enzyme that herbivors have, and therefore CANNOT DIGEST seeds.   They end up

>being excreted unchanged.



You might amend this.  The starchy parts of seeds can be digested as can

the fatty content.  There is alot of roughage in seeds that cannot be

digested.  If the seeds are well chewed to release the starches and fats,

you CAN digest them.  What do you think wheat is?  BTW, humans are

omnivorous and have enzymes to digest herbs and meats.



  The same follows for 'Grape Seed Extract".

>Except that I disagree with the stated Irony.... You see...one can eat all

the

>seeded grapes one wants; you will just get diarrhea.   You cannot extract the

>vitamins, peptides, and minerals that are contained withih the seeds.



This is not entirely true.



  You

>may as well purchase the SEEDLESS GRAPES....and enjoy eating THEM.

>

>MBurke1671

>

>

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Amla source

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:53:47 -0500

--------

An esoteric question:  has anyone tried cultivating amla (Indian

gooseberry, emblic myrobalan)?  It is a bush with fruit that are one of

the highest sources of Vitamin C, in a heat-stable tannin form, used for

herbal rasayanas (a kind of daily vitamin/herb jam used in auyerveda) and

for hair care.  I haven't seen a source for organic amla however and

would be interested in growing it. I'm looking for a source of the plants

and cultivation instructions, including whether it needs a second bush as

a pollinator and how many years it needs to get to fruit-bearing size.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Digesting whole foods (was Standardization)

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 14:35:09 -0500

--------

On Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:09:12 EST MBurke1671 <MBurke1671@AOL.COM> writes:

>Umm...I don't really Know what to say to this....Except to an educated

>person it's all wrong.

>Orange pulp isn't SUPPOSED to be completely digested.   It is composed

>of plant fiber with Beta 1,6 glycosidic bonds....not 1,4 bonds which

>humans have the enzymes to digest.   Therefore....eating" A piece ot the

>Rind"... isn't going to help digest the 'pulp'.



Probably not, but the rind has plenty of properties on its own that make

eating it worth while, not the least of which is the higher Vitamin C per

gram than the pulp of the orange.  Energetically it is astringent, more

"yang' and helps balance the "yin energy" of the pulp.  I prefer blood

oranges for peel-eating, based upon taste and texture. One reason to eat

the pulp is to get the indigestible fiber, which some people actually

purchase separately as a fiber supplement.  There is some of that in the

peel as well.



>    I've never heard of watermelon causing people to "bloat with edema".





If you've never eaten too much watermelon and ended up bloated and with a

tummyache, you need to spend more time hanging out on hot summer porches

with kids and a watermelon. ;-)



>I Simply have just never heard of this. Once again, as a plant product,

>"eating the seeds" will not help as we ...HUMANS, do not have the

digestive

>enzyme that herbivors have, and therefore CANNOT DIGEST seeds.   They

>end up being excreted unchanged.



I doubt it.  The Chinese eat watermelon seeds the way we eat pumpkin

seeds or sunflower seeds.  We may not be able to digest the shells, but

the nut is perfectly digestible if cracked and chewed.



> The same follows for 'Grape Seed Extract". Except that I disagree with

the >stated Irony.... You see...one can eat all the

>seeded grapes one wants; you will just get diarrhea.   You cannot

>extract the vitamins, peptides, and minerals that are contained withih

the >seeds.   You may as well purchase the SEEDLESS GRAPES....and enjoy

>eating THEM.



The fats within the seed are certainly digestible, and the source of the

proanthocyanins.  You would have to chew or grind the seeds or they will

pass through.  I don't know about the other components, but I would be

suprised if none could be digested (or if everything could be digested

for that matter.)



Don't forget that we have 400 or so species of probiotic bacteria and

other organisms in our guts breaking down foods in ways that our

eucaryotic processes may not directly do.



But I don't think we are meant to completely digest everything that we

eat.  There is some benefit to passing through the indigestible  or

partially digested parts.





Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Digesting whole foods (was Standardization)

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 13:40:33 -0700

--------

>MAJOR SNIP!!!

>Did you guys learn this in med school?? Where could I read about all of this.

>I think its sooo interesting!



I confess that my original post containing the grape seeds, watermelon seeds, orange

peel, etc. came from material written by Dr. M. Tierra.  I believe some/most of it

can be found in his Planetary Herbology book.



Tom







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Digesting whole foods (was Standardization)

From: Geodegirl <Geodegirl@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 16:10:27 EST

--------

MAJOR SNIP!!!

Did you guys learn this in med school?? Where could I read about all of this.

I think its sooo interesting!

Christy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Sphagnum Moss Uses Question

From: HERBALS <HERBALS@AOL.COM>

Date: Fri, 27 Mar 1998 20:24:15 EST

--------

Hello Fellow Listers,



Someone just came a brought me a whole truckload of bale-sized bags of

Canadian Sphagnum Moss.  Got any creative ways to use it?  It was FREE, but I

need some ways to utilize it in other ways besides as a soil amendment.  All

of my beds are fine, and I do not need to use it there.



Send me your posts privately, since it is not an herb.



TIA,

Tamara

HERBALS@aol.com

ICQ#9986370







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Sphagnum Moss Uses Question

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:37:40 -0900

--------

At 08:24 PM 3/27/98 EST, you wrote:

>Hello Fellow Listers,

>

>Someone just came a brought me a whole truckload of bale-sized bags of

>Canadian Sphagnum Moss.  Got any creative ways to use it?  It was FREE, but I

>need some ways to utilize it in other ways besides as a soil amendment.  All

>of my beds are fine, and I do not need to use it there.

>

>Send me your posts privately, since it is not an herb.

>

>TIA,

>Tamara

>HERBALS@aol.com

>ICQ#9986370

>

>

Ah but mosses are useful in medicine.  It might interest you to know that

sphagnum was once called wound wort and was used by soldiers as recent as

WWI to staunch wounds.  If you get the sphagnum that is reddish in color it

is high in iodine and therefore antiseptic (usually found in muskegs).

Sphagnum was also used by native peoples in diapers and to collect women's

menses.  It holds many times it's own volume in fluids.  Mosses are

definitely plants and I think certainly something to talk about on this list.

You can also use it to make glorious hanging baskets.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Herbal History Trivia Game 7 -- oops

From: Elfreem <Elfreem@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 10:25:33 EST

--------

To his credit, Thompson did not believe in blood-letting nor in use of

minerals containing mercury or arsenic which were popular at the time.



This statment should have said mercury and antimony ( not arsenic) ...sorry.

ef







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Herbal History Trivia Game 7 -- oops

From: Lori Herron <lori@GROUPUS.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 14:59:05 -0500

--------

To his credit, Thompson did not believe in blood-letting nor in use of

minerals containing mercury or arsenic which were popular at the time.



This statment should have said mercury and antimony ( not arsenic) ...sorry.





Well, actually, the use of arsenic as a beauty aid (it gave the skin an

"unearthly" glow) was popular during that time.  Maybe that's what you were

thinking of. ;-)





Lori Herron

Alternative Nature Online Herbal

http://www.altnature.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Intro and Inquiry for help

From: AtenKhonsu <AtenKhonsu@AOL.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 12:24:40 EST

--------

Greetings everyone - Ive been subscribed to the list for several months now

and find it informative and usually enjoyable.



I'd like to again remind folks that cute quips and moral admonishments meant

for one person don't belong on this post.  When reading through my mail --

which is sometimes difficult when connections are slow or constantly broken --

I ask myself why people dont know better than to send personal comments to

over 800 people.



Hopefully everyone got past that to my question!



I am a recovering (nonusing) addict and alcoholic.  I also suffer from

depression.  I'm being treated by a outstanding Dr.  I'm currently taking

Busbar,Paxil,Naltrexon.  I take Vit. supps and a couple herb mixes.  Some

physical symptoms include intermittant nausea, hair loss, weight gain,

blemished skin, and weak fingernails.  I believe in whole body wellness and

know I would be supported by my Dr. in searching out an other approach to my

treatment.  I live in the Seattle area (Federal Way).  Can anyone reccomend

someone in this area that can help me regain my health.  Its been a long, hard

ride and Im ready for some positive energy now.



I'm Denise  ---------- e-mail AtenKhonsu@aol.com--- anyone feel free to E mail

me

THANKS







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Patchouli

From: Dick &Lucinda Jenkins <jenkins@GLENBROOKFARM.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 17:43:13 -0800

--------

Is patchouli ever taken internally?  as a tea? and if so for what benefit?

Is calendula petals ever taken internally? as a tea? and if so for what

benefit?

Thanks for your info.

lucinda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Patchouli

From: marei <marei@XPOINT.AT>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 23:00:04 +0200

--------

I do not no patchouli, so I can not answer this question.

The second part is about calendula. If you mean Calenudula officinalis

(Goldbloom), you must know it is obsolete to be taken internally.

It is only external use.

-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----

Von: Dick &Lucinda Jenkins <jenkins@GLENBROOKFARM.COM>

An: HERB@vm.ege.edu.tr <HERB@vm.ege.edu.tr>

Datum: Sonntag, 29. Mdrz 1998 00:39

Betreff: Patchouli





>Is patchouli ever taken internally?  as a tea? and if so for what benefit?

>Is calendula petals ever taken internally? as a tea? and if so for what

>benefit?

>Thanks for your info.

>lucinda







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Patchouli

From: "Michele D. Hirt" <shely@BIGFOOT.COM>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:17:15 -0500

--------

>The second part is about calendula. If you mean caledula officinalis

>(Goldbloom), you must know it is obseolete to be taken internally.

>It is only external use.





I have the Herb Society of America's Encyclopedia of Herbs & their Uses

(1995) & it says this about Calendula officinalis:



"MEDICINAL  Internally for gastric and duodenal ulcers, colitis,

diverticulitis, hepatitis, swollen glands, menstrual problems, and pelvic

inflammatory disease.  Not given during pregnancy.  Externally for eczema,

conjunctivitis, thrush infections, herpes, gingivitis, athlete's foot,

varicose veins, cysts, minor injuries, and skin problems....  Used

internally and externally in homeopathy for injuries where the skin is

broken."







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: fatigue & leg cramps

From: kimberly <tbpete@ONEIMAGE.COM>

Date: Sat, 28 Mar 1998 23:27:05 -0700

--------

hello everyone



i have a friend that just started a new job.  she has to do a lot of

walking on concrete floors.  she is using vitamin e, and says it helps

her a lot with leg cramps and fatigue, but not enough.  any herbal

recommendations?  maybe a foot soak, maybe something like a natural "ben

gay" or "icy hot" salve she could make up that would be effective?

something to add to her

diet that would help her leg region not cramp up on her?  is this a

circulation problem

perhaps?  the realities of the job are not going to change, so any help

that i can pass on

to her to make her life easier and healthier and more comfortable is

very much

appreciated.



thanks for any help you guys have to share!:-)



kimmer at tbpete@oneimage.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fatigue & leg cramps

From: Foxhillers <Foxhillers@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 04:12:08 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-29 01:18:28 EST, you write:



<< a lot with leg cramps and fatigue >>

I get relief from valerian and 1000mg calcium and 1000 mg magnesium at

bedtime.

Hope this helps.

mjh







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fatigue & leg cramps

From: JFORBES200 <JFORBES200@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 07:35:37 EST

--------

               My suggestion to you is what I am doing for the same problem.

My legs have been cramping up alot lately and I have been going thru alot of

fatigue.  The solution for that is to double down somewhat on a good multiple

vitamin and double dose of potassium.  The vitamins start with bringing your

body back in shape and the potassium takes the leg cramps away.  You can get

some great vitamins at any GNC store or health food store.  I use this and my

symptoms are starting to disappear.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fatigue & leg cramps

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 12:38:41 EST

--------

One of the biggest things that I found made a difference with the leg cramps

are the type of shoes you are wearing. She needs very good arch support and

cushioned insoles to absorb that shock and help support the foot properly. You

would be surprised how a great pair of shoes can make a difference. Also, I

have heard that a rub with lavender and wintergreen oil

mixed in a carrier oil can help with the sore muscles.  Hope this helps.



                      Laura

             Herbldy11@aol.com



 For information purposes only, not a diagnosis or a prescription.

See a health care provider when necessary.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fatigue & leg cramps

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:56:57 -0900

--------

At 11:27 PM 3/28/98 -0700, you wrote:

>hello everyone

>

>i have a friend that just started a new job.  she has to do a lot of

>walking on concrete floors.  she is using vitamin e, and says it helps

>her a lot with leg cramps and fatigue, but not enough.  any herbal

>recommendations?  maybe a foot soak, maybe something like a natural "ben

>gay" or "icy hot" salve she could make up that would be effective?

>something to add to her

>diet that would help her leg region not cramp up on her?  is this a

>circulation problem

>perhaps?  the realities of the job are not going to change, so any help

>that i can pass on

>to her to make her life easier and healthier and more comfortable is

>very much

>appreciated.

>

>thanks for any help you guys have to share!:-)

>

>kimmer at tbpete@oneimage.com

>

>

Make sure she gets enough calcium.  Leg fatigue can sometimes be directly

related to calcium deficiency.  That said.... People with sluggish

circulation are generally Yin deficient.  There are Chinese herbal

combinations that help this tremendously but you need to have a proper

diagnosis for proper prescription. (which I am not qualified to do).

Taking small daily doses of Capsicum or Turmeric can also be helpful.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fatigue & leg cramps

From: Ltsdance <Ltsdance@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:34:56 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-29 01:18:24 EST, you write:



<< the realities of the job are not going to change, so any help that i can

pass on

 to her to make her life easier and healthier and more comfortable is very

much  appreciated. >>



This isn't much of a herbal remedy; but, when I was working as a nurse in a

hospital we were constantly on our feet on concrete floors. Most of the nurses

would wear support hose or even anti-embolism stockings for their legs (yes

even we male nurses wore some type of support hose). These would help

immensely. I now have a day job where I don't have to be on my feet much, but

teach dance in the evenings. Because of being constantly on our feet at the

dance studio, we learned from the past and installed a cushioned & suppended

dance floor. Still if we are on our feet a lot my partner uses a soothing foot

spray consisting of Tea tree oil, Linden blossoms, Wintergreen, and Pepermint;

and, a Pepermint, Menthol, Lavender & Rosemary foot lotion from Naturistics (I

have no interest in this company). She seem to really like these.



Good luck,

Stan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: fatigue & leg cramps

From: KR1989 <KR1989@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:09:50 EST

--------

Nettle is a natural source of potassium as well a bananas.  I also use

colloidal minerals (they are absorbed better by the body than solid form

capsules and pills)  My leg cramps have disappeared!



Kathy Haag







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: white willow bark

From: Mystic6197 <Mystic6197@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 15:15:37 EST

--------

Hi everyone,

       Can someone please tell me how to use white willow bark for pain?  How

much and how often.  And does it have any side effects?  Thanks!







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dry/Oily & French Fried Hair and....

From: SwtPickkel <SwtPickkel@AOL.COM>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 22:36:52 EST

--------

  Hi all!  Hope everyone had a wonderful weekend.  It surely was beautiful

here in Indiana!!  I would like to ask a couple ??'s and if anyone has any

answers, I'd sure like to hear them.  I have Dry Hair and my mother-in-law has

Oily.  I have some unscented natural shampoo that I adore, is there something

I can add to it to help these conditions?  Also, is there anything for damaged

(permed, color-treated) hair that would help it to recover?

  I have many EO's as well as herbs and a large supply of carrier oils etc, so

any recommendations would be great!

  I do have a friend with dry scalp spots, small round circular dry spots in

various places on the scalp.  He has switched to my shampoo and does see a

difference in his hair, but I need to add something to help with this scalp

dryness.



Thanks so much for all your help

Janeene







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry/Oily & French Fried Hair and....

From: Lisa Saul <lisas@MINDSPRING.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:24:54 -0500

--------

  Also, is there anything for damaged

>(permed, color-treated) hair that would help it to recover?





I suggest stopping either perming or color..Do not do both ..If you have

to..there may be alternatives..you might try a different stylist,with more

knowlege of using "chemicals"or get them to check out nontoxic

alternatives.....that would be gentler on the hair.Have your stylist

contact me for further information.I like the product moisture pac by

Artec(no commercial interest) to rejuvenate fried hair.







>  I do have a friend with dry scalp spots, small round circular dry spots in

>various places on the scalp.  He has switched to my shampoo and does see a

>difference in his hair, but I need to add something to help with this scalp

>dryness.

Without actually seeing the spots,it's hard to say..He could try tea tree

shampoo if it is fungal..If not fungal... try taking one tablespoon of flax

oil every day for a month to see results from the inside out...



Lisa



Lisa

Organica-A Natural Hair Salon

http://www.mindspring.com/~lisas/organica.html







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dry/Oily & French Fried Hair and....

From: "Michele D. Hirt" <shely@BIGFOOT.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:34:34 -0500

--------

Last night, I tried using glycerin & rose water as a leave-in hair

conditioner.  IT WORKS WONDERFULLY!



This was recommended to me by a friend.  She says that the commercial

products she buys for her children have as their main ingredient glycerine.

She says that these products make her kids' hair soft and shiny and

extremely manageable.  (Shiny like in the Pantene shampoo commercial!)



My hair is very shiny today, and my hair was easy to comb through while wet

(not as easy as with commercial conditioner, but MUCH better than plain

water!) & it seems to be behaving quite well.  Plus, it smells HEAVENLY!



I use homemade rosewater so my glycerine/rose water mix isn't clear, it's

pink.  The glycerine cost me $2.50 for 4 oz. at the local drug store (I can

get it cheaper, I know, but stores are closed Sunday night) & the rose water

costs me 50 cents a gallon to make since I grow roses & just need to buy the

distilled water.  Total cost for 4 oz of glycerine plus 4 oz of rose water

is $2.53.  I only used a little bit, and concentrated on the ends of my

hair, so this is quite a reasonable price!



I think I've found my new conditioner!!!



To make rosewater, I take fresh red rose petals & steep them, in the sun, in

distilled water until the petals lose their color.  This makes a lovely

pink-hued water.



As for shelf-life, I still have rosewater from 2 summers ago (1996) - I took

a "hiatus" from being herbal for a year due to deep depression.  I've kept

it in a cool,

dark place in regular Mason jars & it's been fine.  No "funk" or anything.

It still has that light, soothing smell.  However, the one jar that I

infused Chamomile into as well "turned" in about a month, so I would

recommend "double-infusing" in small batches & storing it in the

refrigerator, maybe.



Our roses were planted about 30 years ago by my husband's grandmother & have

not always been taken care of by the tenants of this house.  On about half

of them, the tops have died & the rootstock is vigorously growing.  It is

from these that I get the old

roses  (rosa rugosa)  that I use for rose water.



The other roses (pinks & yellows from hybrid teas), I dry and use as a

calming tea or as a "flavor-enhancer" for other, bitter teas.



Another option would be to "dumpster-dive" behind florist shops - I

understand that there are roses galore there (as well as lots of other

flowers), but I don't know if their roses are treated with anything -

pesticides, etc.  Something to look into.







==========

To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dandelion & Nettles

From: Ronaye Tylor <rtylor@GTE.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:36:59 -0800

--------

Hello all,

Finally got out and weeded the garden today, and have a

*huge* pile of dandelion roots.  Can someone please

tell me the best way to use these?

Also, I've heard that there is often a plant growing

near stinging nettles that will alleviate the sting.

Does anyone know what this plant is and how to use it?

Thanks for your help.



Ronaye

rtylor@gte.net

http://home1.gte.net/rtylor/

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"Until he extends his circle of compassion to all

living things, man will not himself find peace."

...Albert Schweitzer

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Nettles

From: Anita Hales <hales1@KTN.NET>

Date: Sun, 29 Mar 1998 20:10:09 -0900

--------

At 08:36 PM 3/29/98 -0800, you wrote:

>Hello all,

>Finally got out and weeded the garden today, and have a

>*huge* pile of dandelion roots.  Can someone please

>tell me the best way to use these?

>Also, I've heard that there is often a plant growing

>near stinging nettles that will alleviate the sting.

>Does anyone know what this plant is and how to use it?

>Thanks for your help.

>

>Ronaye

>rtylor@gte.net

>http://home1.gte.net/rtylor/

>

Take those dandelion roots, wash and clean them up good.  Chop them and

roast on a cookie sheet in the oven until they are lightly browned.  Grind

them into powder and use like coffee for a delicious and healthful

beverage.  Or just chop, dry, and grind for making a beverage or liver

tonic.

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Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Nettles

From: PETER GAIL <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:08:46 EST

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In a message dated 98-03-30 00:11:46 EST, you write:



<< >

 Take those dandelion roots, wash and clean them up good.  Chop them and

 roast on a cookie sheet in the oven until they are lightly browned.  Grind

 them into powder and use like coffee for a delicious and healthful

 beverage.  Or just chop, dry, and grind for making a beverage or liver

 tonic.

  >>

If you roast them to a light brown, you will have a very bitter "coffee". It

takes roasting to a deep, dark, chocolate brown to convert the inulin to

fructose and sweeten the roots.  The rule is 250 degrees for 2-4 hours,

turning regularly, until the odor coming from the oven is that of coffee.  If

you want the greatest medical potency, then do the latter.  Dry them at a

temperature of under 100 degrees to retain all enzyme activity, etc.   George

Cairns, a farmer from Illinois, doesn't wash them before drying them. He

claims that the dirt contains some elements essential to good health. You can

read his story in the most recent edition of Dandelion Doings which I will

send you free if you give me your snail-mail address.



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D. Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box

18016, Cleveland OH 44118 (216)932-2145  petergail@aol.com. Author of "The

Dandelion Celebration: A Guide to Unexpected Cuisine, The Great Dandelion

Cookbook: Recipes from the National Dandelion Cookoffs and Then Some.  Founder

of The Defenders of Dandelions, sponsor of the National Dandelion Cookoff on

May 1-2 1998







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Nettles

From: PETER GAIL <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:12:20 EST

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In a message dated 98-03-30 00:11:46 EST, you write:



<< >Also, I've heard that there is often a plant growing

 >near stinging nettles that will alleviate the sting.

 >Does anyone know what this plant is and how to use it? >>



Stinging nettles are their own cure. Take the leaves and rub them vigorously

on the affected area, and within  30 seconds the pain and rash will disappear.

Sounds crazy, but it works.   Other plants growing near stinging nettle which

also work very well are jewelweed (Impatiens capensis, pallida), plantain

(Plantago major, lanceolata) and the yellow docks (Rumex crispus etc.)



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D. Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box

18016, Cleveland OH 44118 (216)932-2145  petergail@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Nettles

From: Rene Dobbins <rdobbins@PRESYS.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 01:23:19 -0800

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The inner leaf of Rumex obtusifolius -Yellow Dock, in the Buckwheat

family is one antidote to nettle stings.  Pinch out the inner leaf and

smear the gel like substance that come out (mucilage) and it will soothe

the skin where you have been stung.  It won't take the sting totally

away but sure does take the bite out of it.



Ronaye Tylor wrote:

> Also, I've heard that there is often a plant growing

> near stinging nettles that will alleviate the sting.

> Does anyone know what this plant is and how to use it?

> Thanks for your help.

>







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Nettles

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@MAIL.STATE.TN.US>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 08:00:49 -0600

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YOU WROTE:

Also, I've heard that there is often a plant growing near stinging nettles that will alleviate the sting. Does anyone know what this plant is and how to use it?

I ADD:

Jewelweed (Impatiens capensis & I. pallida  ) works well if applied immediatley after contact.  Jewelwed works by blocking your bodies reaction to the irritant and does little or nothing once the reaction has already taken place.

KB



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Nettles

From: Alan Willoughby <awilloby@ENTERNET.CO.NZ>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:49:26 +0000

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You wrote



> Also, I've heard that there is often a plant growing

> near stinging nettles that will alleviate the sting.

> Does anyone know what this plant is and how to use it?

> Thanks for your help.



I believe the plant is dock and you use the sap from the stems and

leaves on the nettle stings.  There's lots of dock in NZ - back in

the 'good old days' when the native Maori were sold muskets a

notorious sea captain brought out barrels of dock seed and sold it as

gunpower seed.  The Maori of course planted it to grow their own

gunpowder, hence widely spread English dock plants.



Alan







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Nettles

From: PETER GAIL <PETERGAIL@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:10:18 EST

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In a message dated 98-03-30 09:20:57 EST, you write:



<< Jewelweed (Impatiens capensis & I. pallida  ) works well if applied

immediatley after contact.  Jewelwed works by blocking your bodies reaction to

the irritant and does little or nothing once the reaction has already taken

place.

 KB >>

Beg to differ.   After the reaction takes place, bathing the affected area

whenever it starts itching takes away the itch, and hastens the demise of the

symptoms.  It works fastest, it is true, when caught at the beginning, but

don't hesitate to use it after the itch has begun.  It may not help, but it

certainly can't hurt, so try it. One word of caution on Jewelweed. Use the

plant fresh or a decoction (aqueous), not a tincture.  Some people have a very

serious reaction to jewelweed applied in alcohol, and it isn' t worth risking

it.



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D. Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box

18016, Cleveland OH 44118  (216)932-2145  petergail@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Nettles

From: John Goude <nature@EEE.ORG>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 00:01:13 -0800

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Ronaye Tylor wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> Finally got out and weeded the garden today, and have a

> *huge* pile of dandelion roots.  Can someone please

> tell me the best way to use these?

> Also, I've heard that there is often a plant growing

> near stinging nettles that will alleviate the sting.

> Does anyone know what this plant is and how to use it?

> Thanks for your help.

>

> Ronaye



Some like to dry, toast dandelion roots (Taraxacum

officinale) and grind them up for a coffee like drink.  I

have cooked them like carrots.  They came out OK but not my

favorite.  The greens go well in a salad of other things (by

themselves or as the major ingredient they are usually too

bitter.  The flowers are good too if prepared correctly.



The Curly dock (Rumex crispus) is one of the best things to

get most of the sting out of Stinging nettle (Urtica

gracilis) sting however mud works well too.



BTW we had snow (at 2000 ft) this weekend in Southern

California, too cold to garden.



--

<>< John Goude ><>            ham: KE6VUB

Yucaipa, CA 92399-5605

e-mail: nature@eee.org        http://www.eee.org/bus/nature







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Dandelion & Nettles

From: SlappyGrrl <SlappyGrrl@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 08:55:36 EST

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<< The greens go well in a salad of other things (by

 themselves or as the major ingredient they are usually too

 bitter.  The flowers are good too if prepared correctly. >>



If you use the greens in a salad, do you need to cook them first?  And what is

the preparation for the flowers?  Thanks!



~Rachel

  Slappygrrl@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Recurrent boils

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 09:01:41 -0700

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>My daughter has had Lupus (SLE) out of remission    >the past 7 years since being

pregnant with her only >child.



Clarification, please.  She is currently pregnant?

Thanks.  Super happy to hear that she is in remission.

If she is post-natal, please give me some info on her prenancy (via private e-mail).

 Reason: my daughter also has SLE, in remission (via herbs), is toying with the idea

of starting a family - dad is very nervous about that (yes, you may assume that dad

doesn't want anything to happen to daddy's little girl even though the prospect of

yet another grandchild is welcomed).



>Arthritic conditions bother her, but she continues to

>remain active.



I have yet to meet someone with SLE (I've met many) that aren't bothered with arthritic-like

symptoms.



>The most recent symptom has been with recurrent boils >over the trunk of her body.





Assuming that she is not currently pregnant, the arthritis-like symptoms can be dealt

with via any number of OTC herbal products for arthritis and/or rheumatism.  However,

she should avoid things that contain cayenne pepper (there be many).  Reason: while

very effective for rheumatism & arthritis, it is very heating and will aggravate

the SLE, she may quickly come out of remission.  These products also contain many

herbs that are contra-indicated during pregnancy - be careful.



As for the boils, that's also fairly common.  I encourage you look in to a Chinese

herb known as Bupleurum - it is similar in action to Dandelion Root but much more

holistic in its approach.  I've had great good success in providing it to people

with SLE and the wide range of lymph (and skin) problems that are so normal for them

to experience.



Some herbs (such as alfalfa & echinacea) are very stimulating - thus, must be avoided

around people with SLE - their auto-immune system is already over-stimulated.  I

mention that only because many formulas and supplements (including vitamins) contain

them - carefully read labels.











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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Recurrent boils

From: spicer <spicer@REDRIVEROK.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:30:28 -0600

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My daughter has had Lupus (SLE) out of remission for the past 7 years since being pregnant with her only child. Arthritic conditions bother her, but she continues to remain active. The most recent symptom has been with recurrent boils over the trunk of her body. The doctor has given her a regimen of E-mycin several times. At present she is taking a low maintenance dosage daily and should be taking it for about two months. However, the boils continue and are even increasing again. I have never tried the herbalistic method before, but I feel that every condition relative to this earth has been provided with a cure by our loving Heavenly Father. We just have to find it, as many cures and/or treatments for various diseases have been.  Does any one has any suggestions for treatment or cure for either the arthritic or boils that you have tried and found it effective? Thank you very much.

Stephannie Spicer

spicer@redriverok.com



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: cingestive heart failure?

From: Tim Lees <tk84321@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 10:30:52 -0700

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my dad had an heart attack 5 yrs ago and he has coughing problems and his

heart gets better and worse. some of his heart has died and then

regenerated. any herbal  advise? hes done almost everthing conventional

medicine has for him.

thanks.

t



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Subject: Congestive Heart Failure - solutions

From: Wjp1816 <Wjp1816@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:42:13 EST

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Hi Tim,



In your e-mail, you state that your father had a heart attach and some dead

tissue which regenerated.  My question is: Who told you the tissue

regenerated?  This is

or has been impossible up until a couple of months ago when some researchers

announded that injuction of a protein substance will regenerate the blocked

blood

vessels they did not say anything about heart tissue regeneration.



What medication is your father currently on?



You mention that he has a cough.  I have found that the cough is brought on by

the retention of fluids which is usually a result of having a by-pass

operation.



Has he thought about a by pass if he that bad.  If the disease was discovered

earlier he would have time to change his diet and start taking suppliments to

reduce the onset of atherochlosterol.



Contact me directly and I'll tell you what I have done contrary to modern

medicine.



   Bill Pizer







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: tincture press

From: Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@USCOM.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:50:08 -0500

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I'm thinking about buying a tincture press for small-scale tincturing

and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations. Thanks,

Jodi







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture press

From: Lori Herron <lori@GROUPUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 14:37:45 -0500

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Charlie Mathre makes a good small-scale presses.  I think it's

www.mathre.com but if that doesn't work, check the sponsor page on our

website (which works, apparently! <g>), www.altnature.com.  We do not get a

commission or anything, so this recommendation is NCI.



Warmly,



Lori



Lori Herron

Alternative Nature Online Herbal

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture press

From: Geodegirl <Geodegirl@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:36:44 EST

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In a message dated 98-03-30 13:49:32 EST, you write:



<< I'm thinking about buying a tincture press for small-scale tincturing

 and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations. Thanks,

 Jodi >>

My friend uses a coffee press to make her tinctures... Is this a "good enough"

way to make tinctures or would the professional presses be better?

Christy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture press

From: Karen S Vaughan <creationsgarden@JUNO.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 17:50:29 -0500

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I purchased the tincture press from Indian Motorcycle Company and am very

pleased.  But don't overtighten the C-clamp- the las few drops could

overstress your press if you are using unpowdered roots.  I cracked mine,

which may have been a fluke, but they replaced it promptly.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic.

See your appropriate medical professionals when needed.



On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 13:50:08 -0500 Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@USCOM.COM>

writes:

>I'm thinking about buying a tincture press for small-scale tincturing

>and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations. Thanks,

>Jodi

>



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture press

From: "Michele D. Hirt" <shely@BIGFOOT.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 18:29:21 -0500

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>My friend uses a coffee press to make her tinctures...



What's a "coffee press"?







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture press

From: Geodegirl <Geodegirl@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:36:03 EST

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In a message dated 98-03-30 18:31:37 EST, you write:



<< What's a "coffee press"?

  >>

Michele,

a coffee press is a "do-hickey" (that is a very scientific word there!!) where

the water and grounds are poured into at the same time, and then this plunger

device pushes all the grounds to the bottom, leaving only coffee on top. I saw

them at the local Herbal Grocery store for about 19 dollars.. They are also

called a turkish coffe pot or a french press..

Christy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture press

From: DianaFiona <DianaFiona@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:12:43 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-30 16:38:48 EST, you write:



<<

 In a message dated 98-03-30 13:49:32 EST, you write:



 << I'm thinking about buying a tincture press for small-scale tincturing

  and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations. Thanks,

  Jodi >>

 My friend uses a coffee press to make her tinctures... Is this a "good

enough"

 way to make tinctures or would the professional presses be better?

 Christy

  >>

      This is an interesting thread......... I had not read anything about

pressing the plant material when making tinctures before, although I always

have pressed the alcohol out with the back of a spoon. All the instructions

I've seen just had you steep the plants in the alcohol, much like making a

cordial, then strain. So, how much pressure is recomended? And would the

coffee press mentioned above suffice?



      Diane Walker







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture press

From: Sibyl Smirl <polycarpa@CKT.NET>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:19:09 -0600

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>From Michael Moore's "Herbal Materia Medica"

full text available for downloading at his website--see FAQ for Link





"FRESH PLANT TINCTURE

One part by weight of the fresh, chopped herb is steeped for 7-10 days in two

parts by volume of grain alcohol (190 proof or 95% ethanol), and pressed or

squeezed out.  There is no reason to blend or shake this maceration; the

tincture is formed passively as a result of dehydration.  Ethanol draws out

all plant constituents that contain water, leaving only cellulose and dead

tissue behind.



DRY PLANT TINCTURE:

Maceration.   If the Materia Medica calls for a [1:5, 60% alcohol] tincture,

it means this:  your solvent is 60% alcohol and 40% water (the water is

presumed), and one part of herb by weight has been invested in five parts of

solvent by volume.  Let me run you through one.  You have four ounces of dried

Blue Cohosh roots, which you then grind and sift down to a fairly consistent

coarse powder.  The four ounces (1) must be mixed with 20 ounces of solvent

(5).  The solvent is 60% alcohol, the rest water, so you mix 12 ounces of

ethanol and 8 ounces of water to get the final volume.  Mix both together in a

closed jar, and shake the mixture up for a couple of minutes twice a day.After

10-14 days of this, let it set another day, pour off the clear tincture from

the top, and squeeze as much out of the sediment as your press or wrists

allow.  The 20 ounces of solvent (called menstruum) and 4 ounces of herb, may

yield up 13-14 ounces of tincture (by wrist) and up to 17 ounces (by press);

the rest is immutably held in the sediment (called marc).  This remnant

moisture is full strength tincture, and eventually this knowledge drives one

out of four herbalists stark raving nuts. The resultant attempts to constantly

upgrade hydraulic presses rivals the feeding frenzy at computer hardware conventions."





Posted by Sibyl



DianaFiona wrote:

>

> In a message dated 98-03-30 16:38:48 EST, you write:

>

> <<

>  In a message dated 98-03-30 13:49:32 EST, you write:

>

>  << I'm thinking about buying a tincture press for small-scale tincturing

>   and was wondering if anyone has any recommendations. Thanks,

>   Jodi >>

>  My friend uses a coffee press to make her tinctures... Is this a "good

> enough"

>  way to make tinctures or would the professional presses be better?

>  Christy

>   >>

>       This is an interesting thread......... I had not read anything about

> pressing the plant material when making tinctures before, although I always

> have pressed the alcohol out with the back of a spoon. All the instructions

> I've seen just had you steep the plants in the alcohol, much like making a

> cordial, then strain. So, how much pressure is recomended? And would the

> coffee press mentioned above suffice?

>

>       Diane Walker







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture press

From: Geodegirl <Geodegirl@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 10:43:06 EST

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In a message dated 98-03-31 10:30:18 EST, you write:



<< . So, how much pressure is recomended? And would the

 coffee press mentioned above suffice?



       Diane Walker >>

My girlfriend who uses the coffee press doesn't use much, if any, pressure,

she just wants the herb "mush" to be contained and its easier than

cheesecloth.

Is the mixture thats left more potent than the pouroff??

Christy







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: tincture press

From: Corey Brand <cbrand@SERVICES.STATE.MO.US>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:54:06 +0000

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One could also set up a soxhlet extraction apparatus for about $200.

More expensive, but it is laboratory grade equipment and allows

*complete* extraction of the herb's essence.  Available from many

lab apparatus supply houses.



-Corey







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture press

From: Marcia Wilson <herblady@FIDNET.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 12:19:04 -0600

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I too am interested in this part of the thread.  Wouldn't pressing the

alcohol soaked herbs cause the tincture to be cloudy?  Just curious.  Of

course I am, I am an herblady! :-)



Marcia the herblady

Email me for a list of live herb plants for sale this spring!

http://members.aol.com/mwilson780



>       This is an interesting thread......... I had not read anything

about

> pressing the plant material when making tinctures before, although I

always

> have pressed the alcohol out with the back of a spoon. All the

instructions

> I've seen just had you steep the plants in the alcohol, much like making

a

> cordial, then strain. So, how much pressure is recomended? And would the

> coffee press mentioned above suffice?

>

>       Diane Walker







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: tincture press

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 14:28:14 -0700

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>My girlfriend who uses the coffee press doesn't use >much, if any, pressure, she

just wants the herb "mush" >to be contained and its easier than cheesecloth.

>Is the mixture thats left more potent than the >pouroff??



Oh, my, he said - jumping up-n-down with glee.  I knew that if I memorized this famous

quote from Michael Moore I'd get to use it someday:



"the rest is immutably held in the sediment (called marc).  This remnant moisture

is full strength tincture, and eventually this knowledge drives one

out of four herbalists stark raving nuts.  The resultant attempts to constantly upgrade

hydraulic presses rivals the feeding frenzy at computer

hardware conventions."



From: his on-line Materia Medica (good stuff!)



Grin - in other words (in answer to your question):

!YES!



Tom











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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Bell's Palsy

From: Tsadi <Tsadi@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:17:07 EST

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greetings!

i have enjoyed lurking and appreciating the rich knowledge shared in your

repartee. at present, i have a concern with my 10-year-old daughter, who woke

up with "half a smile" as she put it, this morning, and was diagnosed with

bell's palsy this afternoon. i have calls into my chiropractor and

acupuncurist, and would appreciate any information, anecdotal and helpful.

thanks in advance,

elizabeth







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bell's Palsy

From: Herbldy11 <Herbldy11@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 16:50:15 EST

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My father had a case of bell's palsy years ago. After many trips to the doctor

the one thing we did find out was that they don't know a lot about it, or at

least they didn't at the time. What the doctor basically told my dad is that

it is usually a temporary condition, and that it can be caused by driving with

one's head out a car window or by sleeping by an open window. I know that

sounds somewhat odd, but that's what they said. Anyway, he completely

recovered with no side effects within a few weeks. I know it's not much, but I

hope it helps.



                          Laura

                  Herbldy11@aol.com



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Bell's Palsy

From: Anita Laine <paf@CONNIX.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:38:01 -0500

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At 4:17 PM -0500 3/30/98, Tsadi wrote:

>greetings!

>i have enjoyed lurking and appreciating the rich knowledge shared in your

>repartee. at present, i have a concern with my 10-year-old daughter, who woke

>up with "half a smile" as she put it, this morning, and was diagnosed with

>bell's palsy this afternoon. i have calls into my chiropractor and

>acupuncurist, and would appreciate any information, anecdotal and helpful.

>thanks in advance,

>elizabeth



When my daughter had Bell's palsy, I took her to the pediatric neurologist

who, thank God, correctly diagnosed Lyme disease.  Turns out that Bell's

palsy is one of the markers for the disease, altho Bell's may be caused by

some other things, also.  Lyme disease requires very immediate diagnosis

and treatment for a successful outcome.

Best wishes, Anita





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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Creeping Charlie

From: Jason Loll <ollollo@CPINTERNET.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:01:30 -0500

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Dear HerbList people,



My backyard  is covered with what people in Northern Minnesota call 'creeping charlie'. I believe this is the species 'Glechoma hederacea' or common name of' 'ground ivy'. During the middle of the summer it over takes the grasses and there is more creeping charlie then grass which is then a purple ground cover from the lavender flowers and the leaves turning deep purple from the sun. It provides a wonderful aroma of mint which is quiet pleasant except when the grasses get too long and I have to mow I get allergy symptoms from the cut Creeping Charlie and by the time I am done mowing, my eyes are watering and itching, and I am having trouble breathing. Does anyone have an antidote for this?



Does anyone know of any uses for Creeping Charlie? I have read that you can make a tea from the leaves that is called Gill Tea. Does anyone drink this? If I  can't find any uses for this plant, I am thinking of digging up my backyard and planting a real herb garden. Is there anybody that would want these plants or the cut herb,that might want to trade other herbs with me?



Sincerely,

Jason Loll ollollo@cpinternet.com 

The earth is our Garden

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Subject: Re: Creeping Charlie

From: Lori Herron <lori@GROUPUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:10:39 -0500

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I've heard of ground ivy being used as a blood purifier.  It is in the mint

family.  We have it everywhere here, too.  The only suggestion I can offer

for the allergic reaction is to use a bandanna to cover your nose and mouth

while mowing and wear sunglasses, or go with professional protective gear

(eye goggles and face mask).



Warmly,



Lori



Lori Herron

Alternative Nature Online Herbal

It works!  http://www.altnature.com :-)







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Wild Yam Question !!

From: Audio001 <Audio001@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:18:33 EST

--------

Hello everyone,

 Could anyone tell me the Hormonal Properties of Wild Yam.

As always. Thanks for all your help in advance



Alton







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wild Yam Question !!

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@NETUSA1.NET>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:41:08 -0800

--------

Audio001 wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>  Could anyone tell me the Hormonal Properties of Wild Yam.

> As always. Thanks for all your help in advance

>

> Alton

generally accepted as a known precursor of the female hormone.







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wild Yam Question !!

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 06:21:13 GMT

--------

On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:41:08 -0800, Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@NETUSA1.NET> wrote

to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Audio001 wrote:

>>

>> Hello everyone,

>>  Could anyone tell me the Hormonal Properties of Wild Yam.

>> As always. Thanks for all your help in advance

>>

>> Alton

>generally accepted as a known precursor of the female hormone.



...if you have a lab. Wild yam (Dioscorea spp.) has nothing whatsoever to do

with hormones except that you can, in a lab, over 16 or so steps, make

progesterone out of it. The precursor to progesterone in humans is cholesterol,

and since when have we had a shortage of that?



Please read the section on wild yam in the medicinal herbfaq.

Henriette



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wild Yam Question !!

From: aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@MINT.NET>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 20:26:03 +0000

--------

I am wondering whether the great Wild Yam debate doesn't better illustrate

a point of confusion in herbal medicine and effects.  From the discussion,

it seems the argument is that the substances in Wild Yam are supposed to

provide (or not) hormones to the system.  In most disciplines which I have

come across, the purpose of herbs  is to assist the body in restoring its

own balance.  Whether it's Wild Yams, Ginko Biloba, or Gotu Kola, the idea

is to nudge the body to achieve balance, not to replace "missing

ingredients"  Wild Yam (Dioscorea spp) is seen to have a nutritive and

tonic effect (eg nourishing).  Wouldn't it seem that by promoting this

digestive effect, the entire hypothalamic/pituitary/reproductive loop would

be enhanced?

Aliceann Carlton

jigsawme@yahoo.com









At 06:21 AM 3/31/98 GMT, you wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Mar 1998 19:41:08 -0800, Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@NETUSA1.NET>

wrote

>to HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:

>

>>Audio001 wrote:

>>>

>>> Hello everyone,

>>>  Could anyone tell me the Hormonal Properties of Wild Yam.

>>> As always. Thanks for all your help in advance

>>>

>>> Alton

>>generally accepted as a known precursor of the female hormone.

>

>...if you have a lab. Wild yam (Dioscorea spp.) has nothing whatsoever to do

>with hormones except that you can, in a lab, over 16 or so steps, make

>progesterone out of it. The precursor to progesterone in humans is

cholesterol,

>and since when have we had a shortage of that?

>

>Please read the section on wild yam in the medicinal herbfaq.

>Henriette

>

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>http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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>

>

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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wild Yam Question !!

From: Swami Sada Shiva Tirtha <swamist@PB.NET>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:05:53 -0800

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According to the Ayurvedic medical system, Yam, dioscorea bulbifera Linn

is used for general hormonal deficiency. Thus if any hormones are

deficient, yam would be used. Some of its other benefits include helping

infertility, and is an excellent reproductive tonic.

        For more info on Ayurvedic herbs and the system of Ayurveda, read

chapter 1 of the new book the Ayurveda Encyclopedia at

http://ayurvedahc.com/encytoc1.htm

        Hope this info helps

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Audio001 wrote:

>

> Hello everyone,

>  Could anyone tell me the Hormonal Properties of Wild Yam.

> As always. Thanks for all your help in advance

>

> Alton



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wild Yam Question !!

From: Stellapr <Stellapr@AOL.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:17:17 EST

--------

Then how do they make the prescription estratest which is estrogen from yams?

That is how it is made.  They are proud to say their estrogen comes from a

natural source and not  horses urine like premarin.  Diane







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Wild Yam Question !!

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:59:20 GMT

--------

On Tue, 31 Mar 1998 11:17:17 EST, Stellapr <Stellapr@AOL.COM> wrote to

HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR:



>Then how do they make the prescription estratest which is estrogen from yams?

>That is how it is made.  They are proud to say their estrogen comes from a

>natural source and not  horses urine like premarin.  Diane



In a LABORATORY. Nowadays labs don't use wild yam, but soybeans. Cheaper to

grow, easier to harvest. But that still doesn't change the fact that humans

cannot utilize soybeans nor wild yams to make progesterone; we use CHOLESTEROL

as hormone precursors.



You get estrogen from progesterone; you get testosterone from progesterone, this

both labs and humans can do.



Henriette



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: Calendula

From: JanieSue56 <JanieSue56@AOL.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 21:10:56 EST

--------

In a message dated 98-03-29 22:12:29 EST, you write:



<<



 I have the Herb Society of America's Encyclopedia of Herbs & their Uses

 (1995) & it says this about Calendula officinalis:



 "MEDICINAL  Internally for gastric and duodenal ulcers, colitis,

 diverticulitis, hepatitis, swollen glands, menstrual problems, and pelvic

 inflammatory disease.  Not given during pregnancy.  Externally for eczema,

 conjunctivitis, thrush infections, herpes, gingivitis, athlete's foot,

 varicose veins, cysts, minor injuries, and skin problems....  Used

 internally and externally in homeopathy for injuries where the skin is

 broken."

  >>





Not saying you should but I take Calendula tea (just ploop a couple of flowers

in a cup of water or waterever tea I'm drinking and let it "rest" a few)

anytime I feel uneasy on the inside.  Not only does it settle my system down I

like the mild taste of it.

JanieSue56@aol.com







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: An interesting article

From: Lori Herron <lori@GROUPUS.COM>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 22:13:46 -0500

--------

About time, I'd say.  This article was in an e-mail summary I receive:



Herbal Medicine: Physicians Should Know What Patients Are Taking



WESTPORT, Mar 30 (Reuters) - Since one in every three patients

that walks into a physician's office is taking or has taken some

form of herbal medicine, it's time for physicians to start

learning exactly what these medications are, why patients take

them and which medications may be dangerous, according to a study

published in the March issue of the Cleveland Clinic Journal of

Medicine.  Dr.  Ana Vann of the Cleveland Clinic reports that the

most popular herbal medicines are ginseng, garlic preparations,

ginkgo biloba and melatonin.



http://ipn.intelihealth.com/ipn/ihtIPN?c=176589







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Re: An interesting article

From: Kyria Abrahams <kyria@SPINNERS.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 16:33:00 -0500

--------

I once had a doctor say to me (after asking if there were any herbal

interractions with Xoloft) "It doesn't matter! Herbs are NOTHING!" (Not

only is it ignorant, it's not even gramatically correct...)  I then said

"Fine, I'll look it up myself!" to which I was told by the nurse that I

really shouldn't do any research on "my own" because patients get

"scared" and then don't take their medication! It's sad,  because most

people wouldn't know enough not to believe him.



- K



>>>>>

About time, I'd say.  This article was in an e-mail summary I receive:



Herbal Medicine: Physicians Should Know What Patients Are Taking



WESTPORT, Mar 30 (Reuters) - Since one in every three patients

that walks into a physician's office is taking or has taken some

form of herbal medicine, it's time for physicians to start

learning exactly what these medications are, why patients take

them and which medications may be dangerous, according to a study

published in the March issue of the Cleveland Clinic Journal of

Medicine.  Dr.  Ana Vann of the Cleveland Clinic reports that the

most popular herbal medicines are ginseng, garlic preparations,

ginkgo biloba and melatonin.



http://ipn.intelihealth.com/ipn/ihtIPN?c=176589







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Dumpster Roses was (Dry/Oily)

From: John Goude <nature@EEE.ORG>

Date: Mon, 30 Mar 1998 23:14:12 -0800

--------

Michele D. Hirt wrote:

> ...

> Another option would be to "dumpster-dive" behind florist shops - I

> understand that there are roses galore there (as well as lots of other

> flowers), but I don't know if their roses are treated with anything -

> pesticides, etc.  Something to look into.



Florist that I know, teaches the section "Eat your Flowers

too" on "Dining on the Wilds", says that florist flowers are

sprayed with all kinds of things to make them last longer

alar (sp) for one.  They maximize profit by killing bugs

with insecticide too.  After they are cut they are put into

sugar water with bactericide and fungicide.  Some flowers

have coloring added too. Do NOT use flower shop roses unless

bought as edible flowers! Edible flowers from a flower shop

might be OK?  In that case check out the grower etc.



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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Improving Extraction (was Tincture Press)

From: Corey Brand <cbrand@SERVICES.STATE.MO.US>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 15:54:07 +0000

--------

Something else one could try in order to obtain more extract is to

freeze the plants first (probably only works on fresh plants).  The

freezing ruptures the cell membranes allowing for easier and more

complete extraction of the essence.  I understand a few expensive

German wines are made this way.



-Corey







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To: HERB@VM.EGE.EDU.TR

Subject: Alfalfa

From: Zooky <zooky@MAILEXCITE.COM>

Date: Tue, 31 Mar 1998 09:14:18 -0700

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 If you, or any one around you, have SLE (Lupus) and/or

have heard that alfalfa may not be all that good for you, please hop on to Dr. A.

Weil's website at:



http://cgi.pathfinder.com/drweil/



He has a super Q&A session that tells you everything you need to know about alfalfa.

 I know from experience that in working with SLE people, alfalfa produces horrid

responses in them.  Beware: a well known, all natural, vitamin supplement contains

large amounts of alfalfa - avoid, avoid, AVOID! (around SLE).  This I can tell you

from 1st-hand experience with several people that have SLE.  Non-SLE people may want

to learn a bit more about this herb before you add alfalfa sprouts to your salad.

 Not saying it shouldn't be used, just that it needs to be used wisely.



Note: Dr. Weil changes the topic daily so you may need to look for this article in

the archive (listed to the right of main topic of the day).



Tom







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