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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bladder

From: Eeyore <efalt@zianet.com>

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 16:25:16 -0600

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On the advice of a good Doctor, my mother drank a half glass of cranberry

juice and 1/2 of orange juice, every morning. Cranberry is heavily sweetened

and the orange juice helps cut it. She did this for almost 15 years and

never had another UTI.



Elsa

efalt@zianet.com







Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

> 

> On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 08:54:55 EDT, Kat11559@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:

> 

> >I would like some feed back on cranberry and bladder infection.  My Mom runs

> >them a lot and they have her on 500 mg of antibiotics 2X a day this is not a

> >good thing.

> 

> What's her diet like?

> As she's susceptible to urinary tract infections (UTI's) the following holds

> true:

> If she goes on a lot of sugar binges then no matter what herbs she takes she'll

> have her UTI's, regular as clockwork. Take into account that soft drinks

> basically are nothing but carbonated sugar water, so the binges are possibly

> 'hidden' ones.

> Why do UTI's follow a lot of sugar in the diet in one go? A large amount of

> sugar will make the urine alkaline. That makes it possible for E.coli (always

> present in the human body) to adhere to the bladder wall, and voila, you have

> your nice full-blown UTI.

> 

> Another thing to check: is her sexual partner treated at the same time as she

> is? If not the UTI will just bounce back to her again, the minute they get

> together ... not necessarily dependent on the sugar above.

> 

> Henriette

> 

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bladder

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:53:21 EDT

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In a message dated 9/30/98 8:58:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Kat11559@AOL.COM

writes:



<< I would like some feed back on cranberry and bladder infection. >>





Drink cranberry juice every day and the bladder infections will disappear. Its

that simple most of the time.  

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbs for back pain needed

From: Richard & Bonnie <rfarner@tellico.net>

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 20:17:37 -0400

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I suffer from chronic, lower back pain and don't want to take all the

OTC's or prescription pain killers. I've been to the doctors many, many

times and they just say "cause unknown" and to "live with it". I don't

know if it's muscle strain or a bone problem. Probably just strain as I

lift a lot during household chores.

Sure could use some helpful hints and herbal remedies. Maybe a good

herbal linament recipe would do the trick.

Thanks,

Bonnie





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for back pain needed

From: Ingrid Kast Fuller <ingrid@cityscope.net>

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:39:25 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Ingrid Kast Fuller <ingrid@cityscope.net>:



Richard & Bonnie wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Richard & Bonnie <rfarner@tellico.net>:

> 

> I suffer from chronic, lower back pain and don't want to take all the

> OTC's or prescription pain killers. I've been to the doctors many, many

> times and they just say "cause unknown" and to "live with it". I don't

> know if it's muscle strain or a bone problem. Probably just strain as I

> lift a lot during household chores.

> Sure could use some helpful hints and herbal remedies. Maybe a good

> herbal linament recipe would do the trick.

> Thanks,

> Bonnie

I would try Valerian Root (muscle relaxer) and change the way you lift.

Start bending at the knees when lifting instead of bending down, I have

a bad habit of doing that too. I personally take the Valerian Root when

I'm overstressed which is pretty often.  

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To: Richard & Bonnie <rfarner@tellico.net>

Subject: Re: Herbs for back pain needed

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 19:41:33 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:



Hi Bonnie,



I use yoga and gentle strectching & toning of my back bone to handle back

pain that is probably much less intense than yours.



In his book "Spontaneos Healing" Andrew Weil MD recommends another book by

John Spano MD for back pain called "Healing Back Pain".



In "Herbal Tonic Therapies" Daniel Mowry calls all of the following herbs

analgesic or pain relieving: dong quai, lapacho, passion flower, tumeric,

valerian, & wild yam.



I know there are other herbs that are suppose to help relieve pain.

Sometime ago I heard that dried & crushed scorpion is suppose to take pain

away!



Good luck,



Barbara 









On Wed, 30 Sep 1998, Richard & Bonnie wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from Richard & Bonnie <rfarner@tellico.net>:

> 

> I suffer from chronic, lower back pain and don't want to take all the

> OTC's or prescription pain killers. I've been to the doctors many, many

> times and they just say "cause unknown" and to "live with it". I don't

> know if it's muscle strain or a bone problem. Probably just strain as I

> lift a lot during household chores.

> Sure could use some helpful hints and herbal remedies. Maybe a good

> herbal linament recipe would do the trick.

> Thanks,

> Bonnie

> 









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for back pain needed

From: Debbie McDonald <lullwatr@flash.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:56:30 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Debbie McDonald <lullwatr@flash.net>:



Cause could be celiac disease or/and leaky gut. Treat accordingly.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for back pain needed

From: KaiforChi@aol.com

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:32:30 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from KaiforChi@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-09-30 20:21:54 EDT, Bonnie wrote:



<<... I don't

 know if it's muscle strain or a bone problem. Probably just strain as I

 lift a lot during household chores.

 Sure could use some helpful hints and herbal remedies. Maybe a good

 herbal linament recipe would do the trick.... >>



Hi Bonnie,



My girlfriend made up a cream for me; its primary herbal ingredient was

lavendar essential oil (eo). It works on my back and neck pains (which I think

are muscle- not bone-related), and for headaches, too. Don't know how one

would use lavendar for this using just the plant, however. Lavendar eo is one

of the few oils one can apply "neat" (directly and undiluted to the skin)

without much fear of problems (but I am only a novice at eos). Surely there is

an eo specialist on this list that can clarify, if I have given

misinformation; if so PLEASE DO!!!



If it's a bone problem, wouldn't calcium-rich herbs be in order? (dark leafy

greens, e.g.)?



best wishes,



kai <~loves greens, but lavendar is an acquired scent for me







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for back pain needed

From: Ksjvidito@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 20:47:34 EDT

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I use yoga to help keep my chronic back pain under control.  I am a nurse and

have to use my back for frequent lifting.  Yoga not only keeps my pain under

control, it helps strengthen all those other muscles we should be using

instead of our lower back.

Good luck

Katie





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Inflammation and allergy to anti-inflammatories

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:58:31 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to "Vyrianna Lycorne" <lycorne@tiefling.net>:



Regarding inflammations like tennis elbow, which is a tendonitis, doctors rush

to the prescription pad where physical treatment may be more in order than

chemical treatment.  Cooling may help ease the inflammation; ice is often

recommended but that seems too cold to me.  When severe pain subsides,

stretching and strengthening exercises are useful.



There are anti-inflammatory herbs.  Salicylate herbs like willow bark are less

likely to cause allergic reaction than aspirin, but caution is in order.  There

are also non-salicylate herbs such as devil's claw (Harpagophytum procumbens);

I don't know enough to be more exhaustive.  I have read about the topical use

of arnica preparations.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: my beautiful comfrey plant

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 21:58:45 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Jamessikes@aol.com regarding comfrey:



Individuals can vary greatly in tolerance of something like comfrey: not a 

clear-cut poison like Conium maculatum (poison hemlock) or Amanita phalloides

(a deadly mushroom).  I have only slight experience with comfrey, far below the

amount needed to become hazardous.  But there are some things I can't tolerate,

like potatoes, and mace or nutmeg.  



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: my beautiful comfrey plant

From: Jamessikes@aol.com

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:36:35 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Jamessikes@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-01 00:19:01 EDT, you write:



<< clear-cut poison like Conium maculatum (poison hemlock) or Amanita

phalloides >>



I guess it is all relative, or in the eye of the beholder.

 

The Amanita, a deadly poison to most, is a sacred plant to others.  It is

called "the flesh of the gods" by some, and is used in religious ceremonies.

It was supposedly taken by Walt Disney, and the inspiration for Fantasia.  In

the dance of the mushrooms in Fantasia, you can see the Amanita dancing.



Jim





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: my beautiful comfrey plant

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:29:59 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Jamessikes@aol.com:



Are you sure tha Amanita called "the flesh of the gods" and used in religious

ceremonies is Amanita phalloides?  There are other Amanita species, and I

believe not all are toxic.  Some might be hallucinogenic.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Was kloss liniment, now African Bird Pepper

From: KaiforChi@aol.com

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:18:38 EDT

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re:



<< << now  how would I find a pepper w/ this

  type of heat? The African Bird Pepper you mentioned.. >>

 

 By posting me privately.- commercial interet involved!

 peter >>



I must have missed the origin of this thread: is the African Bird Pepper

hotter than the habanero?



kai <~loves hot stuff





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Was kloss liniment, now African Bird Pepper

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:49:48 EDT

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In a message dated 9/30/98 11:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

KaiforChi@AOL.COM writes:



> I must have missed the origin of this thread: is the African Bird Pepper

>  hotter than the habanero?

>  



If my books are correct, Habanero peppers are some of the hottest out there

with ranges from 150MHU to 190-200 MHU while the African Bird Pepper is at

90-100 MHU - the beginning of the thread was a discussion on Kloss Liniment

which calls for the African variety.

I hope this clears it up for you.

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Was kloss liniment, now African Bird Pepper

From: Eeyore <efalt@zianet.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 07:18:57 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Eeyore <efalt@zianet.com>:



NEHrbSup@aol.com wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:

> 

> In a message dated 9/30/98 11:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> KaiforChi@AOL.COM writes:

> 

> > I must have missed the origin of this thread: is the African Bird Pepper

> >  hotter than the habanero?

> >

> 

> If my books are correct, Habanero peppers are some of the hottest out there

> with ranges from 150MHU to 190-200 MHU while the African Bird Pepper is at

> 90-100 MHU - the beginning of the thread was a discussion on Kloss Liniment

> which calls for the African variety.

> I hope this clears it up for you.

> peter



Habaneros are pretty hot. I use them in cooking all the time but the Ojo de

pajaro, the name in Spanish, for the eye of bird or bird chile is considered

by many to be the original chile. I've sent them to several people on the

chile-heads list who are considered knowledgable and all agree that they are

hotter. If anyone would like a few I keep some in the house all the time.

One flavors a large pot of soup, as long as it's very large. 



Many creams used by arthritis sufferers have chiles in them.



Elsa

efalt@zianet.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Was kloss liniment, now African Bird Pepper

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:08:37 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:49:48 EDT, NEHrbSup@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>In a message dated 9/30/98 11:20:07 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>KaiforChi@AOL.COM writes:

>> I must have missed the origin of this thread: is the African Bird Pepper

>>  hotter than the habanero?

>

>If my books are correct, Habanero peppers are some of the hottest out there

>with ranges from 150MHU to 190-200 MHU while the African Bird Pepper is at

>90-100 MHU - the beginning of the thread was a discussion on Kloss Liniment

>which calls for the African variety.



Most any pepper (Capsicum) which doesn't give you heat right away, but instead

hits you slowly but steadily over the next half hour or so, is good for

liniments, salves and herbal tinctures. This is sometimes called medical herb

strength Capsicum. A little bit on the tip of your tongue will tell you if

you've got the a good one or not.



I know that Blessed Herbs (nci) carries a nice hot medical strength Capsicum,

and I've even ordered powdered such from them.



Cheers

Henriette



--

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Winter use of plantain

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 30 Sep 1998 23:54:08 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Hi Anita-



I use plantain oil to protect skin against chapping, to deal with dried

out skin (over something water based or made into a lotion), to massage

the abdomen.  I use it as a good moisturizer. It can be used internally

as well.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Wed, 30 Sep 1998 10:07:25 -0500 paf@connix.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:

>

>At 1:48 AM -0400 9/29/98, creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:

>>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>>

>>In New York City, plantain is alive all winter, even under the snow.  

>You

>>could freeze the leaves or throw them into a blender and freeze them 

>in

>>ice cubes.  I make a hot infused oil of the leaves for many winter 

>uses.

>>Dried leaves might be okay for drinking but I'll bet theylose 

>something

>>as a poultice.

>>

>Hi, Karen:  Wd you mind give us a short list of the "many winter uses" 

>you

>find for your hot infusion of plantain leaves?  I'd love to learn 

>about

>them.

>Best, Anita L.

>

>

>--

>

>paf@connix.com

>

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Amanita (was: my beautiful comfrey plant)

From: Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@MEDIA.EDU.HEL.FI>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 09:56:01 +0300

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To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:



Jamessikes@aol.com wrote:



> << clear-cut poison like Conium maculatum (poison hemlock) or Amanita

> phalloides >>

>

> I guess it is all relative, or in the eye of the beholder.

> 

> The Amanita, a deadly poison to most, is a sacred plant to others.  It is

> called "the flesh of the gods" by some, and is used in religious ceremonies.

> It was supposedly taken by Walt Disney, and the inspiration for Fantasia.  In

> the dance of the mushrooms in Fantasia, you can see the Amanita dancing.



Amanita genus includes at least 26 species. Some are more deadly than

others. Amanita phalloides is one of the most toxic of them. A fraction

of one mushroom can be enough to take your life. It's English names are

Death-Cap and Destroying-Angel Toadstool. Could it be the hallusinogenic

A. muscaria you mean rather than A. phalloides? There are several

closely related species of which some are highly toxic.

   A. muscaria gives hallucinations and distorted vision with nausea,

dizziness and numbness on the side. Eat too many and it make you vomit

for hours and hours. Eat even more (if you possibly can) and it can kill

you, too. Active ingredients include (at least) muscimol, muscarin and

ibotenic acid. Never tried myself, but watched a friend try many years

ago. He got more of the nausea than anything else.

   So, there's a lot of Amanita out there and as far as I know every

species is poisonous, some more some less. Disney most likely did not

consume A. phalloides, because he would have died. It's been years when

I saw Fantasia last time, so I really can't remember which species

dance, most likely it's A. muscaria. 



But, it's not an herb so maybe we should move this discussion out of the

list.



--

Miikkali Leppihalme

mii@media.edu.hel.fi





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Richters HerbLetter 98/09/27 [Excerpt]

From: Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:21:24 -0400

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-----------------------  Richters HerbLetter  -------------------------

  Published by:   Richters, Specializing in the World of Herbs

                  Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

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Date: 98/09/27 



Contents

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1.  Herb-Laced Chips Promote Well-Being

2.  Ex-Doctor Spared Prison in Tea Death

3.  Lines Fading Between Complementary and Conventional Medicine

4.  U.S. Medical Journal Denounces Alternative Medicine

5.  One in Three Doctors Recommends Herbal Supplements To Patients

6.  Coffee-bean Chemical Eyed as HIV Preventive

7.  Hyperforin is a Key to St. John's Wort, Researchers Say

8.  Farmer Plows Under Hemp Crop

9.  Bigelow Empire Built on Flavoured Teas

10. Zimbabwe's Vuka-Vuka Reportedly More Potent Than Viagra

11. Hollywood Celebrities Hitting Up Herbalists

12. Nutraceutical Excitement Offers PR Opportunities

13. Herb Business News

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1.  Herb-Laced Chips Promote Well-Being

------------------------------------------------------------------------

By Donna Abu-Nasr



    WASHINGTON, Sept 24, AP -- There was a time when potato chips were

just potato chips, their greasy crunch leaving the snacker with an

aftertaste of delicious guilt. 



   No more.



   A new kind of chips aims at tackling the psyche rather than tickling

the taste bud, promising to turn Americans into kinder, happier and

gentler souls. 



   The secret? Herbs and plant extracts, like St. John's wort, gingko

biloba and kava kava, added to the chips along with essences of edible

flowers -- violet, chamomile, peppermint and passion flower -- to help

combat depression, promote long life and improve memory. 



   "It's just one of those next steps in the evolution of snacks and

food," said the chips' manufacturer, Robert Ehrlich. "There are definitely

benefits from the product." 



   But not everyone is swallowing that claim. Some nutritionists have

expressed concern that all the feel-good messages about the snacks are

just advertising gimmicks to sell chips. 



   "These products encourage people to think chips are a health food when

they're not," said Marion Nestle, chairwoman of the department of

nutrition and food studies at New York University, referring to the herbal

chips. 



   "They're just ridiculous," said Norman Rosenthal, clinical professor of

psychiatry and author of "St. John's Wort: The Herbal Way to Feeling Good. 

"It would be like having a penicillin pie or an antibiotic apple strudel." 



   "If people are really feeling depressed or anxious they should not

depend on a potato chip," Rosenthal added. 



   The FDA's chief of special nutritionals, Elizabeth Yetley, said Ehrlich

does not have an obligation to discuss his products with the FDA. But it

is his responsibility to make sure that food products are safe before he

markets them. 



   Rosenthal said St. John's wort is an effective anti-depressant if used

properly. Otherwise, "it's nothing more than a party joke," he said. 



   Ehrlich said a 1 ounce bag contains an average of 150 milligrams of St. 

John's wort, well below the 900 milligram dose that Rosenthal said is

usually recommended. That means snackers would have to consume six bags --

at a whopping 840 calories -- to achieve bliss, if they don't get sick

first from eating too many chips. 



   Ehrlich argued that his chips are not supplements but snacks. He also

said there is benefit from the herbs because they are not cooked. Rather,

the off-white powdery herb is sprinkled on after the products are made,

leaving a slightly bitter aftertatse. 



   "Even though there are critics, people love them," Ehrlich maintained.



   Ehrlich began making his mood-enhancing snacks four years ago. A group

of herbalists, zen masters, a psychiatrist and young consumers help put

the products together. At 99 cents for a 2 ounce bag, the chips are sold

in supermarkets -- in the health food section -- in the United States and

in some parts of Europe, Asia and South America. 



   His latest product, Personality Puffs, came out this month. Low fat

Cardio Chips containing a blend of natural herbs to improve cardiovascular

health, metabolic conditions, the immune system and aging will come out

next month. 



   His other herbal products include St. John's Wort Tortilla Chips, to

improve moods, Gingko Biloba Rings, to enhance memory, and Kava Corn Chips

to promote relaxation. 



   Personality Puffs, which come in the shape of little people, are made

up of a blend of flowers, St. John's Wort and gingko biloba. 



   But before impatiently ripping open the bag, snackers are asked to take

a good look at the back of the package. 



   Unlike the other herbal products, Personality Puffs come with a set of

printed rules that will "open you to the magic that is ready to happen in

your life." 



   Snackers are asked to buy at least two bags and give one away to a

stranger within one hour of purchase. That, Ehrlich said, will create

goodwill and kindness. 



   They are also asked to clear their mind and drop their worries, listen

to what people say, cultivate relationships, smile and hold that smile for

a solid five seconds. 



   "It seems a little weird now," admitted Ehrlich. "But it's going to

catch on like crazy." 

 

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2.  Ex-Doctor Spared Prison in Tea Death

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   ALLEGAN, Mich., Sept 19, AP -- A former doctor convicted of injecting

an herbal remedy that killed a cancer patient was spared prison by a judge

who said he struggled with the appropriate punishment.....





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http://www.richters.com .]





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Prunella Vulgaris

From: JenniANGEL@aol.com

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:27:42 EDT

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Herb extract shows antiviral properties against Herpes simplex viruses

 

 SAN DIEGO, Sep 28 (Reuters) - A water-soluble substance isolated from the

herb, Prunella vulgaris, demonstrates specific antiviral properties against

herpes simplex virus types 1 and 2 in vitro, according to Canadian

researchers.

 

 Dr. Spencer Lee of Dalhousie University in Halifax, Nova Scotia, presented

his group's findings Friday at the 38th Interscience Conference on

Antimicrobial Agents and Chemotherapy meeting here.

 

 

Dr. Lee, and colleagues from the Queen Elizabeth II Health Sciences Center,

used hot water extraction, ethanol precipitation and gel permeation column

chromatography to extract the active ingredients from the stem of Prunella

vulgaris, commonly known as selfheal, to test the herb's antiviral properties.

 

 The extract contained an anionic carbohydrate that the researchers have

labeled 000PVP. When cells infected with herpes simplex type 1 and type 2 came

into contact with 000PVP, the compound stopped the viral growth in both early

and late stages of infection.  

 

 The plant extract was equally effective against both types of herpes simplex.

The substance was inactive against human influenza virus types A and B,

poliovirus type 1, vesicular stomatitis virus, and cytomegalovirus. 

 

 Acyclovir-resistant strains of herpes simplex types 1 and 2 were similarly

inhibited by 000PVP, according to the study abstract.  Moreover, when herpes

simplex type 1 was preincubated with 000PVP at temperatures of 4, 25, and 30

degrees Centigrade, it completely eliminated the infectivity of the virus.  

 

 Dr. Lee and colleagues suggest that the Prunella extract inhibits the herpes

virus "...by competing for cell receptors as well as by some unknown

mechanisms after the virus has penetrated the cells."

 

 The preliminary findings show that 000PVP is not cytotoxic to mammalian cells

in concentrations of up to 0.5 mg/mL, the highest concentration tested. 

 

 "We are certainly interested in the potential [of the Prunella vulgaris

extract] to be an antiviral topical drug because the substance is nontoxic,"

Dr. Lee told Reuters Health.  The Chinese have boiled the stem of the Prunella

vulgaris plant and used the extract to treat sores and other ailments for

thousands of years, he explained.

 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Amanitas

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:50:23 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Amanita phalloides is NOT Aminita muscaria (which I doubt that a

conservative like Walt Disney ever took even if he does have cute dancing

amanita mushrooms in his movie!) and is not any of the other amanitas. 

With mushrooms, small apparent differences can have grave consequences. 

The genus Amanita is not one to fool around with, even for people fairly

experienced in mushroom identification and we lose experts each year who

are trying to push the envelope.  Even when you have the species right,

like Amanita muscaria, the American varieties do not appear to give the

hallucinations that the Siberian variety is notorious for, but instead

causes deep uneasy sleep and profuse sweating, with possible long term

CNS dammage and occasional deaths.  Amanitas which are edible, like A.

gemmata, are more likely to cause idiosyncratic poisonous reactions than

are less toxic genera. Deadly species like Amanita verna are actually

tasty, with 10-12 hour delays before visible symptoms kick in (which is

why if you are going to ingest poisons for recreational purposes you

should take the bad tasting ones that make you throw up). 

Misidentification is rife as well.  IOW, unless you have been trained

from birth in the subtle distinctions by the shaman of your tribe,

maintain daily contact with plants and can understand their language,

live where the right varieties of the proper species grow on the proper

substrate, and know and maintain the ritual procedures of your tribal

background (which is usually confined to initiates within the tribe),

don't even think of messing with amanitas.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:36:35 EDT Jamessikes@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Jamessikes@aol.com:

>

>In a message dated 98-10-01 00:19:01 EDT, you write:

>

><< clear-cut poison like Conium maculatum (poison hemlock) or Amanita

>phalloides >>

>

>I guess it is all relative, or in the eye of the beholder.

> 

>The Amanita, a deadly poison to most, is a sacred plant to others.  It

is

>called "the flesh of the gods" by some, and is used in religious

ceremonies.

>It was supposedly taken by Walt Disney, and the inspiration for

Fantasia.  In

>the dance of the mushrooms in Fantasia, you can see the Amanita 

>dancing.

>

>Jim

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Amanitas, was: my beautiful comfrey plant

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:06:07 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 01:36:35 EDT, Jamessikes@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



><< clear-cut poison like Conium maculatum (poison hemlock) or Amanita

>phalloides >>

>

>I guess it is all relative, or in the eye of the beholder.

> 

>The Amanita, a deadly poison to most, is a sacred plant to others.  It is

>called "the flesh of the gods" by some, and is used in religious ceremonies.

>It was supposedly taken by Walt Disney, and the inspiration for Fantasia.  In

>the dance of the mushrooms in Fantasia, you can see the Amanita dancing.



That's probably Amanita muscaria, the least toxic of the bunch. The red one with

white dots.

White fly agaric is dead on your kidneys no matter how little you eat, and I

don't think anybody has used -that- one for vision quests.



ObHerb: Tincture of Amanita muscaria (1:2 fresh, 40% alcohol, steep 2 weeks) is

a good -external- remedy, in -small- doses, for nerve pain. Interesting color to

the tincture, too, kind of a weird yellowish pink.

 

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Kidney was Re: Bladder

From: Morning Dew <lompicolynn@yahoo.com>

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:00:28 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Morning Dew <lompicolynn@yahoo.com>:





> 

peter wrote:

> Drink cranberry juice every day and the bladder infections will

disappear. Its

> that simple most of the time.  

> peter

> 





Peter...



Would cranberry juice help for a lady who has kidney problems brought

on by diabetes, taking insulin every day?  She is in her 60's and runs

a day care.



Lynn



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney was Re: Bladder

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:15:47 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 08:00:28 -0700 (PDT), Morning Dew <lompicolynn@yahoo.com>

wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>To herb@MyList.net from Morning Dew <lompicolynn@yahoo.com>:

>

>peter wrote:

>> Drink cranberry juice every day and the bladder infections will

>disappear. Its that simple most of the time.  

>> peter

>

>Would cranberry juice help for a lady who has kidney problems brought

>on by diabetes, taking insulin every day?  She is in her 60's and runs

>a day care.



Cranberry juice does nothing, nada, zilch for the kidneys. Cranberry juice

changes the charge in the bladder wall, making it impossible for E.coli to

adhere.

If you have bladder infections, and treat them with cranberry juice, that's

fine. 

But if you have your bladder infections because of adrenaline stress, which

induces kidney stress, which includes infrequent urinations during the day and

frequent copious urinations in the night, you'll soon have E.coli knocking

around your kidneys instead. They'll come up the ureter same way they came up

the urethra (or is it the other way around?) - non-acidic urine at infrequent

intervals makes life easy for the weirdos among them that like urine instead of

feces.



Guys, get the Urinary tract book by Michael Moore that's just out; it's

inexpensive and explains the whole shebang in detail. It's a Keats Good Herb

Guide, which means it won't take a lot of shelf space either...



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney was Re: Bladder

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:58:39 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/1/98 11:01:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

lompicolynn@yahoo.com writes:



> Would cranberry juice help for a lady who has kidney problems brought

>  on by diabetes, taking insulin every day?  She is in her 60's and runs

>  a day care.



Probably not.  There is nothing "simple" about the system of folks with

diabetes, and the problems are generally not related to any form of UTI,

though UTIs can and do crop up.  Take Henriette's suggestion that was posted

today and get your hands on the new book she suggests.  I do have a couple of

diabetic clients and their needs and their "allo" meds are as different as

night and day because each of them have developed different subsidiary

disorders as a result of the diabetes.  Without, knowing all of your friend's

history and current state, I would be irresponsible to even begin to suggest

something as a starting place.  Even with a really complete picture, it would

be something that would take some time to properly assess and make suggestions

for help. 

Sorry, but there are some roads I just won't walk down and this is one of

them.  I have known and seen people with diabetes be fine one day and be on a

regular maintenance program for years find something a little different, then

6 months later after going through hell, winding up dead.  I have known and

seen another go into a coma and not come out for 3 months, and then wind up

stone blind simply because they didn't take an insulin shot when they were

supposed to.  Diabetes is a real scary disease that can e helped in some ways

with herbs, but one that really and truly needs the careful monitoring of a

good medical specialist. 

peter  





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney was Re: Bladder

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:00:21 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



Morning Dew wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Morning Dew <lompicolynn@yahoo.com>:

> 

> >

> peter wrote:

> > Drink cranberry juice every day and the bladder infections will

> disappear. Its

> > that simple most of the time.

> > peter

> >

> 

> Peter...

> 

> Would cranberry juice help for a lady who has kidney problems brought

> on by diabetes, taking insulin every day?  She is in her 60's and runs

> a day care.

> 

> Lynn

> 

> _________________________________________________________

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I can't comment on the safety of cranberry juice for diabetics but in

the course of my research I have come across a web site (commercial)

selling herbs from the Rainforest (sustainably wild crafted).



The herbs Pata de Vaca and pedra Hume Caa appear to have a lomg history

of use in the Amazon basin to help combat diabetes.  Obviously it would

have to be done under the supervision of the ladies doctor because her

insulin requirement would probably be reduced, but it is better to get

to the cause of her urinary problems if they originate in her diabetes.



The herb Stevia can be used to sweeten the Pata de Vaca and Pedra Hume

Caa tea and has its own valuable properties, including reducing blood

sugar.



The bitter melon known as Karela is used in Ayurvedic herbal medicine to

treat diabetes.  In the UK we can get it in capsules which is easier to

take as the vegetable/fruit itself is very bitter.



There are a number of herbs used for urinary tract problems but the

choice of which ones to use would depend on the severity of infection,

whether there was a concurrent or alternating thrush (candida) infection

and other health problems.



Rainforest herbs are obtainable from The Amazon Herb Company and

Raintree.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney was Re: Bladder

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 23:32:56 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 08:00 AM 10/1/98 -0700, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Morning Dew <lompicolynn@yahoo.com>:

>

>

>> 

>peter wrote:

>> Drink cranberry juice every day and the bladder infections will

>disappear. Its

>> that simple most of the time.  

>> peter

>> 

>

>

>Peter...

>

>Would cranberry juice help for a lady who has kidney problems brought

>on by diabetes, taking insulin every day?  She is in her 60's and runs

>a day care.

>

>Lynn

>

>_________________________________________________________

>DO YOU YAHOO!?

>Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

>

>

I would not recommend it in this case.  Most cranberry juices contain too

much sugar for a diabetic.  Diabetes needs completely different treatment.

If there is already damage to the liver and kidney, this person needs to

get some qualified holistic treatment pronto.  It's impossible to ressurect

a dead kidney or a dead liver so heal them asap if possible.    A

professional practitioner should SEE this person and do a complete workup

before prescribing. Don't just take the advice of a clerk in an herb store.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

pinch them."

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney was Re: Bladder

From: Kerry Wooster <kerryw@hctc.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 13:21:03 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Kerry Wooster <kerryw@hctc.net>:



> If there is already damage to the liver and kidney, this person needs to

> get some qualified holistic treatment pronto.  It's impossible to ressurect

> a dead kidney or a dead liver so heal them asap if possible.    A



> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Hi Anita,

We lost our entire nubian goat herd a few years ago due to

pharmaceutical poisoning. The vet would not inform us as to what they

were the cause of death, even though we paid for an autopsy.



In desperation, I began doing my own autopsies. I found that they were

dieing of stopped gall bladers, liver and kidney damage. (Corrid &

Tetracycline)



This is when we began our herbal and homeopathic studies in earnest. We

managed to keep enough animals alive long enough to sort of re-establish

some of our herd, though we lost many magnificent animals, our entire

breeding program and a huge amount of money.



Some of these animals regained enough health to be butchered later. Many

died despiter our best efforts. In the processes of butchering and

autopsies, we saw many examples of regrown livers and kidneys attached

to the destroyed sections, which resembled leather.



I say this in order to say, do not give up hope. The bodies, organs and

systems that Yahveh has given us are amazing, and wonders can be

accomplished with proper use of the knowlege, skills and herbs that

Yahveh has supplied for us.



I will also state that tetracycline is often given to humans in spite of

the fact that the Physician's Desk Reference states that it can cause

this damage. Gall bladder removal and kidney dialysis is BIG business!



Kerry

-- 



cya,



Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep

the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev. 14:12



A prudent man forseeth the evil, and hides himself:

but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 22:3









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: 2 Questions about Vodka Tinctures-Dosage & Shelf Life

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:43:11 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/1/98 11:30:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

rotty4me@tdstelme.net writes:



<< I have herbal tinctures that I am making using dried herbs & 100 proof

 vodka. My questions are: How long a shelf life do these tinctures have &

 What is the proper dosages for these tinctures? Many have said one

 dropperful equals one dose but dropper bottles come in different sizes & so

 do the droppers. Can anyone suggest how many drops? How many times per day?

 Thank you, >>



I ADD:



The shelf life can be up to two years for some tinctures (others say

longer),but I remove fromthe pharmacy after two years for the ones in alcohol.



Droppers?



It's true the droppers in the 2 ounce bottles are a bit bigger than one ounce.

Most ofours say 5 to 10 drops tid (three times a day).  So I would just

measure it out.  See how far up five drops is in the one ounce,and the two

ounce; how far up 10 drops goes; 20 drops,etc.



One of the reasons we start on the low side is if you need somewhere to go up

the scale with your dosing you have a safe range to go to without overdoing it

and proving the remedy.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: 2 Questions about Vodka Tinctures-Dosage & Shelf Life

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 11:31:37 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:



I have herbal tinctures that I am making using dried herbs & 100 proof

vodka. My questions are: How long a shelf life do these tinctures have &

What is the proper dosages for these tinctures? Many have said one

dropperful equals one dose but dropper bottles come in different sizes & so

do the droppers. Can anyone suggest how many drops? How many times per day?

Thank you,

Maureen







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: 2 Questions about Vodka Tinctures-Dosage & Shelf Life

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:47:21 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/1/98 11:30:30 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

rotty4me@tdstelme.net writes:



> How long a shelf life do these tinctures have &

>  What is the proper dosages for these tinctures? 



If kept in a dark place away from direct heat and in a well sealed dark glass

bottle,  -it will last  till your 2 year old child goes to high school. 



Dosing is generally 15-30 DROPS three times a day.  Generally I say because

there are some things that this does not apply to.  Like my magic

Kava/Valerian compound tincture.  Take 30 drops of this 3 times a day and you

might not get much done - but you will definitely be well rested.  :-)  

Hope this helps,

Peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Mushroom toxicity

From: snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen)

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:57:01 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen):







Some words from Paul Stametz, fungus growing guru of the American

Northwest:



"If you eat something you thought was something else, and you

get sick within a couple of hours, you can believe you will 

be all right. If you get sick after 10 or 12 hours, then you're 

in a whole lot of trouble."



Susan



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Mushroom toxicity

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:36:17 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 09:57:01 -0700 (PDT), snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen)

wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>"If you eat something you thought was something else, and you

>get sick within a couple of hours, you can believe you will 

>be all right. If you get sick after 10 or 12 hours, then you're 

>in a whole lot of trouble."



That does by no means always hold true.



I decided to trust the books and pictures about a mushroom, -once-. They all

agreed that yep, I was holding a five-star delicacy in my hands. So I made a

nice stew, tasty, ate it, and after that, decided to check just one more book.

That one said about one that looked kind of similar, that if I'd get cramps

within 15 minutes I'd be kind of dead in another couple hours.



Scary, that. Haven't trusted picture books about mushrooms after that. It's

easier on my nerves to learn new edible mushrooms from people, in the woods.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Mushroom toxicity

From: snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen)

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 10:54:32 -0700 (PDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen):







Henriette observes:



>That does by no means always hold true.



>Scary, that. Haven't trusted picture books about mushrooms after that. It's

>easier on my nerves to learn new edible mushrooms from people, in the woods.



An object lesson there, and one that cannot be repeated too many

times.



Even with the aid of people I mostly trust on the subject, I

always feel a little, how should I say it? self-aware after

eating wild gathered mushrooms. Do I feel funny? I ask myself.

How funny do I feel? Is that just digestion going on?



I think Paul's main point is that delayed illness from fungus

ingestion is nearly always an indication of major damage.



Susan



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Lower Back Pain/Joint Pain/Comfrey

From: Shucky <Nelsie@Netcom.ca>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 13:18:20 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Shucky <Nelsie@Netcom.ca>:



I've got lower back pain, and in my case, am assuming it is three years'

worth of prescription drugs for fibromyalgia. So figuring my liver,

kidneys, and other organs could use a detoxifying break, I am doing the

juice fast and liver cleanse as outlined in the excellent book, "A Cancer

Battle Plan", by Anne and David Frahm. It's a much gentler program than Dr.

Hulda Clark's ("Cure For All Disease/Cancer/HIV"), and appears to be just

as effective. The nutritional information is good science, and is in line

with Dr. Rex Russel (Christian author and invasive radiologist), John

Robbins, and others serious about nutritional healing of chronic diseases;

it also supports facets of Jethro Kloss' approach. 



And it makes sense that if it takes 1 to 5 years for cancer cells to become

a tumour the size of a pin head, and we all have cancer cells running

around, then the approach to good health in middle age (as I am) would be

in line with a good nutritional cancer-prevention program.



That's why I'm trying to find herbal answers to the fibro, to get off these

drugs. But since I've started doing the cleanse and gone off of two the

meds, I've not been able to sleep...back to the chronic insomnia. (No,

valerian and melatonin don't have an effect on me, but yes, we did try them.)

***



I make an ointment with St. John's Wort for carpel tunnel syndrome, and it

has been very helpful to a friend with cellucitis and another's father for

his arthritic joints. I now take devil's claw with glucosamine sulphate

supplements, and it has helped amazingly, especially with the pain of

fibromyalgia...has cut it by about 50%, anyway.



***

I think that sometimes one person's bane will be another's cure. When I was

a kid with dysentery, the nuns running the school I attended gave me an

herbal broth of rose hips and sassafrass. I have always loved sassafrass

tea as a result. And I found sassafrass EO in the bath helped my and my

son's eczema, after scenting some pine tar soap with it, before a big flame

war about its use exploded on the soap list. By then, a couple of drops in

a bottle of lotion had helped another little boy whose mother was frantic

to try anything, and it has not returned. I'm not saying the EO cured it. 



And I'm not trying to start a flame war on the pros and cons of saffrole,

but the point is, we are all very different, with different chemistries. (I

have some allergies that don't bother me in any way except they show up on

skin tests, that are supposed to be far more severe than my DH's, who has a

Kleenex box within arm's reach, in every room of our house, year-round.) I

won't sell anything with sassafrass EO in it again, but my son has decided

he would rather have relief for the few baths he takes with it per year

(well under 1 part per million) to ease his condition. And I've found an

herbal vinegar rinse I've been making for my hair, clears my eczema up.

No-one else has had that effect from it that I know of. But I do have the

occasional cup of sassafrass tea.



So maybe comfrey is okay internally for some people, and we just shouldn't

be experimenting with it unnecessarily.







Sylvia Genders LeReverend

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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: my husband's feet

From: Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 18:27:15 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>:



Chris:



It sounds to me as if he's got some kind of yeast infection in the skin of 

his feet.  The tip off is the "cheesey" smell.  Perhaps someone else on the 

list can suggest yeast killing footbaths.  I imagine that a nice strong 

lavendar foot soak would help as lavendar has some amazing antimicrobial 

properties. Smells good too!



While he's not looking, throw *all* of his shoes in individual plastic bags 

and throw them in the freezer overnight.  This will sometimes kill down the 

footsmell organisms in shoes. (Don't laugh until you've tried it! It does 

work!!)



- Tera





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To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:



I'm hoping for some advice.  Starting in the fall and going throughout the

winter my husband's feet start to smell more and more...cheesey, lets say.

He gets patches that are flakey and white and his socks are stiff when

they come out of the hamper.  Nothing that comes out of bottle or spray

can has done much lasting good.  The only thing that seems to help is

playing sand-volleyball.  Once the season starts his feet clear right up.

Once it starts gettting to cold/damp to play, it starts up again.



Is there something I can soak his feet in?  Something I could add to a

lotion?  Or should I be dosing him with something?  Any and all

suggestions accepted with an open mind.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: my husband's feet

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:50:26 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:







Tera Gram wrote:



> While he's not looking, throw *all* of his shoes in individual plastic bags

> and throw them in the freezer overnight.  This will sometimes kill down the

> footsmell organisms in shoes. (Don't laugh until you've tried it! It does

> work!!)



I have used nylon stockings filled with black charcoal (used in aquarium

filter pumps) and placed in offending shoes.



As far as the yeast infection, I love tea tree oil, and would suggest its

usage, also.  Great antifungal properties. Perhaps using a few drops in the

final laundry rinse as well.   In addition, I use a lotion bar made with

cinnamon EO.



Susana

http://members.tripod.com/~Susana_X/index-2.html







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Subject: Re: my husband's feet

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:54:45 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:









>  Perhaps using a few drops in the final laundry rinse as well.



I would like to add that I meant for his socks, not his feet!  :-)







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: my husband's feet

From: oinonenehren@macalester.edu

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 17:29:40 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:



I'm hoping for some advice.  Starting in the fall and going throughout the

winter my husband's feet start to smell more and more...cheesey, lets say.

He gets patches that are flakey and white and his socks are stiff when

they come out of the hamper.  Nothing that comes out of bottle or spray

can has done much lasting good.  The only thing that seems to help is

playing sand-volleyball.  Once the season starts his feet clear right up.

Once it starts gettting to cold/damp to play, it starts up again. 



Is there something I can soak his feet in?  Something I could add to a

lotion?  Or should I be dosing him with something?  Any and all

suggestions accepted with an open mind. 



Thanks

Chris Oinonen Ehren

oinonenehren@macalester.edu







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: my husband's feet

From: Spirit819 <Herbal@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:43:58 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Spirit819 <Herbal@worldnet.att.net>:



Years ago when my uncle came home from  military service he had a real foot

odor problem when he took off his shoes the odor filled  the house.  My

grandmother had him soak his feet in cider vinegar and warm water to kill

(bacteria?) before he took his evening shower.  It took about a week but it

really worked!  I don't know how much of each but I don't think I would dilute

it too much may ruin its cleansing power.  Worth a try.



Good Luck

Phyllis

Oh and and she had him wear white cotton socks said they "breath" better than

any thing else.

oinonenehren@macalester.edu wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:

>

> I'm hoping for some advice.  Starting in the fall and going throughout the

> winter my husband's feet start to smell more and more...cheesey, lets say.

> He gets patches that are flakey and white and his socks are stiff when

> they come out of the hamper.  Nothing that comes out of bottle or spray

> can has done much lasting good.  The only thing that seems to help is

> playing sand-volleyball.  Once the season starts his feet clear right up.

> Once it starts gettting to cold/damp to play, it starts up again.

>

> Is there something I can soak his feet in?  Something I could add to a

> lotion?  Or should I be dosing him with something?  Any and all

> suggestions accepted with an open mind.

>

> Thanks

> Chris Oinonen Ehren

> oinonenehren@macalester.edu







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: my husband's feet

From: Eeyore <efalt@zianet.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:02:24 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Eeyore <efalt@zianet.com>:



If you husband is putting cream on his feet the cream will do nothing unless

his feet are wet when the cream is applied. At least try this I put cream

all over my body when it is wet and it works for me.



Elsa



oinonenehren@macalester.edu wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:

> 

> I'm hoping for some advice.  Starting in the fall and going throughout the

> winter my husband's feet start to smell more and more...cheesey, lets say.

> He gets patches that are flakey and white and his socks are stiff when

> they come out of the hamper.  Nothing that comes out of bottle or spray

> can has done much lasting good.  The only thing that seems to help is

> playing sand-volleyball.  Once the season starts his feet clear right up.

> Once it starts gettting to cold/damp to play, it starts up again.

> 

> Is there something I can soak his feet in?  Something I could add to a

> lotion?  Or should I be dosing him with something?  Any and all

> suggestions accepted with an open mind.

> 

> Thanks

> Chris Oinonen Ehren

> oinonenehren@macalester.edu





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Subject: Re: my husband's feet

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:41:17 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



oinonenehren@macalester.edu wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:

> 

> I'm hoping for some advice.  Starting in the fall and going throughout the

> winter my husband's feet start to smell more and more...cheesey, lets say.

> He gets patches that are flakey and white and his socks are stiff when

> they come out of the hamper.  Nothing that comes out of bottle or spray

> can has done much lasting good.  The only thing that seems to help is

> playing sand-volleyball.  Once the season starts his feet clear right up.

> Once it starts gettting to cold/damp to play, it starts up again.

> 

> Is there something I can soak his feet in?  Something I could add to a

> lotion?  Or should I be dosing him with something?  Any and all

> suggestions accepted with an open mind.

> 

> Thanks

> Chris Oinonen Ehren

> oinonenehren@macalester.edu



Grapefruit seed extract seems to work on fungal problems.  In the UK we

can get the US/Canadian brand Citricidal and the product range

Nutribiotics which includes Citricidal.  You can use Citricidal in a

footbath or Nutribiotic do an ointment and shower gel.



I am lucky here to have access to very specialist ingredients and would

be inclined to have him wash his feet with a combination of soapnut and

neem powder.  You can also add essential oils to this such as tea tree,

lavender, geranium and a small amount of tagetes.



I specialise in the natural care of rabbits and guinea pigs.  Guinea

pigs are prone to mycosis and when they have been bathed I recommend

adding a capful of Trigene disifectant/cleaner concentrate to the fabric

conditioner drawer.  This kills off any bacteria an fungi in the towels.

Maybe you could get some and use it for his socks.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: my husband's feet

From: seagul1@voicenet.com

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:22:04 -0400

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Chris,

I don't know if anyone mentioned this along with the other excellent

suggestions  . . . 

get your husband to take his shoes and socks off whenever he can to air his

feet.   Yeast and other bacteria thrive in a damp enviroment.    He

probably has more problems in the fall and winter because of the type shoes

he wears and the fact that he wears then longer that he would wear shoes in

the summer.

Terri

At 11:41 AM 10/2/98 +0100, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:

>

>oinonenehren@macalester.edu wrote:

>> 

>> To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:

>> 

>> I'm hoping for some advice.  Starting in the fall and going throughout the

>> winter my husband's feet start to smell more and more...cheesey, lets say.

>> He gets patches that are flakey and white and his socks are stiff when

>> they come out of the hamper.  Nothing that comes out of bottle or spray

>> can has done much lasting good.  The only thing that seems to help is

>> playing sand-volleyball.  Once the season starts his feet clear right up.

>> Once it starts gettting to cold/damp to play, it starts up again.

>> 

>> Is there something I can soak his feet in?  Something I could add to a

>> lotion?  Or should I be dosing him with something?  Any and all

>> suggestions accepted with an open mind.

>> 

>> Thanks

>> Chris Oinonen Ehren

>> oinonenehren@macalester.edu

>

>Grapefruit seed extract seems to work on fungal problems.  In the UK we

>can get the US/Canadian brand Citricidal and the product range

>Nutribiotics which includes Citricidal.  You can use Citricidal in a

>footbath or Nutribiotic do an ointment and shower gel.

>

>I am lucky here to have access to very specialist ingredients and would

>be inclined to have him wash his feet with a combination of soapnut and

>neem powder.  You can also add essential oils to this such as tea tree,

>lavender, geranium and a small amount of tagetes.

>

>I specialise in the natural care of rabbits and guinea pigs.  Guinea

>pigs are prone to mycosis and when they have been bathed I recommend

>adding a capful of Trigene disifectant/cleaner concentrate to the fabric

>conditioner drawer.  This kills off any bacteria an fungi in the towels.

>Maybe you could get some and use it for his socks.

>

>

>

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: my husband's feet

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 01:50:37 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/1/98 10:43:08 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

teragram@silcom.com writes:



>   Perhaps someone else on the 

>  list can suggest yeast killing footbaths.

 I agree with the possibility - probability of yeast -  Get some GSE

(GRAPEFRUIT SEED Extract) put about 30 drops in a foot bath and soak the feet

three or 4 times a day -  then drink the water -(naa - just kidding) - but

either drink 5-10 drops in a glass of water three times a day or take some of

the GSE capsules.  Take Caprillic acid and do all of the other things for

Candida for at least two weeks.  

peter





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Subject: Re: my husband's feet

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:06:45 -0800

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>To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:

>

>

>

>Tera Gram wrote:

>

>> While he's not looking, throw *all* of his shoes in individual plastic bags

>> and throw them in the freezer overnight.  This will sometimes kill down the

>> footsmell organisms in shoes. (Don't laugh until you've tried it! It does

>> work!!)

>

>I have used nylon stockings filled with black charcoal (used in aquarium

>filter pumps) and placed in offending shoes.

>

>As far as the yeast infection, I love tea tree oil, and would suggest its

>usage, also.  Great antifungal properties. Perhaps using a few drops in the

>final laundry rinse as well.   In addition, I use a lotion bar made with

>cinnamon EO.

>

>Susana

>http://members.tripod.com/~Susana_X/index-2.html

>

>

Vinegar footbaths are good as well.  You should also treat him for systemic

yeast infection with something like capryllic acid and dietary restrictions

to inhibit the growth of yeast.  Does he get jock itch?  It's a sure sign

of systemic yeast. Did you know that chamomile contains natural capryllic

acid?  Pao D'Arco is also good for yeast infection.  There are a number of

good natural treatments.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Migraine

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:35:12 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:



Hum,



During cancer therapy I was introduces to a drug called phenergan.  For

chemo suffers phenergan helps the patient deal with nausea.  I found out

that phenergan is a super anti-migraine medicine at that time too.  I am

not sure what the active ingredient in phenergan is.  But if someone knows

what the active ingredient is then an herbal substitute for phernergan

might be located & tried.  I am thinking there could be a

corresponding herb, like valerian is related to valium & useful for

coping with anxiety.



Barbara











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Migraine

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 19:04:17 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 1 Oct 1998 13:35:12 -0500 (CDT), Barbara <amber@io.com> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>corresponding herb, like valerian is related to valium & useful for

>coping with anxiety.



Myth myth myth. Valium has nothing at all in common with valerian, except the

first three letters in their names. Check the medicinal herbfaq (see my .sig)

for this and other common misconceptions.



Henriette



--

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Migraine

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:02:05 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



Miikkali Leppihalme wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:

> 

> Barbara wrote:

> >

> > I am thinking there could be a corresponding herb, like valerian is

> > related to valium & useful for coping with anxiety.

> 

> How do you mean valerian is related to valium? (They are not related in

> any other way than their names resemble each other.)

> 

> About "phenergan" I don't know. Sorry. They don't sell it in my country,

> at least not by that name.

> 

> --

> Miikkali Leppihalme

> mii@media.edu.hel.fi



The following information comes from the BMA (British Medical

Association) Guide to Medicines and Drugs.



Phenergan contains the anti-histamine promethazine.



PROMETHAZINE

Brand names Avomine, Phenergan and Sominex.

It is used in the following combinations ; Medised, Pamergan, Phensedyl,

Tikylix.



Promethazine is one of the phenothizines, a class of drugs develpoed in

the 1950's for their beneficial effect on abnormal nehaviour arising

from mental illness.



Promethazine was, however, found to have effects more like

antihistamines used to treat allergies ans some types of nausea.



Promethazine is widely used to reduce itching in a variety of skin

conditions including urticaria (hives), chickenpox, and eczema.  It can

also relieve the nausea and vomiitng caused by inner ear disturbanes

such as Meniere's disease.  Because of its sedative effect, promethazine

is sometimes used as a sleeping medicine for short periods and given as

a premedication before surgery.



Promethazine is sometimes combined with narcotic cough suppressants for

the relief of allergy related coughs and nasal congestion.



Antihistamines block the action of histamine on H1 receptors.  These are

found in various tissues of the body, particularly the small blood

vessells in the skin, nose and eyes.  This helps prevent the dilation of

the vessels thus reducing the redness and swelling.  



The anticholinergenic action of these drugs also contributes to this

effect.



* ANTICHOLIINERGENIC

A drug that blocks the action of acetylcholine, or a term which refers

to the parasympathomimetic (a drug that stimulates the parasympathetic

nervous system)effects of a drug.  Acetylcholine is a neurotransmitter

secreted by the endings of the nerve cells that allows certain nerve

impulses to be transmitted, including those that relax certain

involuntary muscles, tighten others and affect the release of saliva.

Anticholinergenic drugs are used to treat urinary incontinence because

they relax the bladders squeezing muscles while tightening those of the

sphincter.



Anticholinergenic drugs also relax the muscles of the intestinal wall.

helping to relieve irritable bowel syndrome.



...... It stands to reason then that herbs which both act as an

antihistamine and have an anticholinergenic effect which have a history

of use for the above conditions are worth looking at......









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Migraine

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 11:02:25 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/2/98 1:46:36 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

mii@media.edu.hel.fi writes:



<< About "phenergan" I don't know. Sorry. They don't sell it in my country,

 at least not by that name.

 

 --

 Miikkali Leppihalme >>



I ADD:



To look up the chemical components of pharmaceuticals you can go to:



www.rxlist.com



type in the name and you will get back either the Brand name or the generic.

It's a bit technical but readable and you can see what you'redealing with.



Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Migraine

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:59:07 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 08:02 PM 9/25/98 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Stellapr@aol.com:

>

>My son's migraines are so bad he is unable to work.  He gets so sick with

>vomiting and nausea he loses alot of weight.  His vomiting usually lasts 2-3

>days.  He gets paralyzed on one side and gets very hot.  He is very confused

>and does not know where he is and what he is doing.  When it finally

breaks he

>sleeps for two days. His neurologist says his migraines are the worst he has

>ever seen.  They are the worst anyone has ever seen.  He is on two types of

>medication which are helping.  But it took alot of time to find these two.

 As

>for herbs I do not believe they would be strong enough to help.  He takes

>vitamins and co-enzyme 10.  Diane  (He is 26.)

>

My daughter had worse than these.  We rejected drug therapy completely and

used Chinese herbs and acupuncture.  She's not had a migraine for 2 years

now.  I strongly suggest seeing a competent acupuncturist/chinese

herbalist.  You can find one by calling  one of the many Schools of

Oriental Medicine in the US.  Many are listed on the internet.  We got some

good advice on this list from a competent herbalist but it took several

treatments to take care of the problem and the treatments were adjusted as

she got better.  Do yourself a favor and avoid alot of headache and spend

some money on good alternative treatment.  In this type of illness it is

BETTER than conventional medicine.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Migraine

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 14:56:34 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:



On Fri, 2 Oct 1998, Miikkali Leppihalme wrote:

> Barbara wrote:

> > I am thinking there could be a corresponding herb, like valerian is

> > related to valium & useful for coping with anxiety.

>

> How do you mean valerian is related to valium? (They are not related in

> any other way than their names resemble each other.)



I have been corrected on this statement by some of the listers.



But it was my understanding that valerian is the same substance that

pharmacuetical companies use to make the more refined drug valium.  (I

checked my references & found this is not true, there is no relation

between valium & valerian.)



My point was mainly that many drugs come from natural sources.  Since I

know phenergan is a top notch, treatment for migraine (that requires a

prescription here in the US) if someone knew what the active ingredient

is in phenergan, then maybe an effective herbal substance might be

located by knowing the active ingredients & searching for those.  



I should have talked about willow bark & salicin, which are very similar

to aspirin, to show how herbs & modern medicines can be related, instead

of talking about valerian...



AmberBarbara









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Kidney stones

From: seagul1@voicenet.com

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 14:50:22 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from seagul1@voicenet.com:



Hi,

My father was diagnosed as having kidney stones (he was also give 7 days

worth of Floxin antibiotic).   He was supposed to go have one taken out (it

was in the kidney and they said they could not do the lasar type thing but

would have to go in through the penis and up to where the stone was).   He

had a lot of pain the  2 nights before the scheduled surgery and after that

he felt fine.  No pain, no pressure so he decided not to go to the surgery.

I feel that this was a mistake and that he should have talked to his Dr.

and that the stone probably moved from the kidney into the bladder.

He is 71 yrs old , very active (drives a charter tour bus and hauls Lime

which he has to shovel and such plus does all of his own truck work . . .

.he sits a lot tho'.)

He has high blood pressure (taking medication . . . . wasn't majorly high

but high enough).

He takes saw palmetto blend and cranberry capsules when he remebers.   He

is drinking lots of water.    His diet is so so.   not much veggies, hardly

any fast food, but he drinks a lot of juice and some soda.



Any suggestions as to what herbs might help?



Terri







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To: Herbs and health <HERB@MyList.net>

Subject: Kidney stones

From: Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:54:20 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>:



What would help ease the pain while waiting for a kidney stone to pass?

And what would help prevent them? And... anything else that can help?

TIA

  Irene

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Voice mail:206-286-2482;Fax: 253-987-7862; Page:253-677-4404

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: Lolla <lolla@sk.sympatico.ca>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 23:21:45 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Lolla <lolla@sk.sympatico.ca>:



At 09:54 PM 01/10/98 -0700, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>:

>

>What would help ease the pain while waiting for a kidney stone to pass?

>And what would help prevent them? And... anything else that can help?

>TIA



I had Kidney stones as did my dad.  It depends what causes them....we had to

have ours analyzed...mine was because i over dosed on Vit. C......for some

it's

fat....etc. You have to pass the stone, save it and have the lab tell you what

it's composition is.  In the meantime Drink plenty of fluids to help wash it

out...that helps a lot of times.

Try out these sties...



http://www.herringlab.com/a.html



http://www.kidneystone.com/



http://surgery.mc.duke.edu/urology/kidney.htm#Urinary Tract Stones



http://www.radsci.ucla.edu:8000/gu/stones/kidneystone.html





Hope this helps









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@NETVISION.NET.IL>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 08:19:23 +0200

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Coffee shells, infused, are said to be a powerful diuretic. However, a

friend of mine passed quantities of gravel and a couple of stones with the

following formula:



1 large handful cornsilk (you can buy it dried from health food stores if

not available fresh)

3 large stalks celery

1 bunch of parsley

1 tablespoon marshmallow root, chopped



Simmer all ingredients in water to cover for 10 minutes. Leave overnight.

Drink first thing in the morning. 15 minutes later,  it will start to take

effect.



You can also make more marshmallow root tea just to help you get by till

the stone is expelled; it is soothing and relieves some of the pain.



Hope you feel better very soon! And yes, do save the stones for analysis.

My dad had calcium-based stones and suffered very much - he now limits his

dairy intake to a daily yoghurt, where he would drink a liter of milk at a

time before.



Miriam



Irene Mazer wrote:



> What would help ease the pain while waiting for a kidney stone to pass?

> And what would help prevent them? And... anything else that can help?











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 13:26:38 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



Irene Mazer wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>:

> 

> What would help ease the pain while waiting for a kidney stone to pass?

> And what would help prevent them? And... anything else that can help?

> TIA

>   Irene

> --

> Irene R. Mazer, Ph.D.   irm@cwix.com    ICQ#13575568

> The Phoenix Enterprise - Helping others reach their dreams

> Voice mail:206-286-2482;Fax: 253-987-7862; Page:253-677-4404

> http://www.angelfire.com/wa/phoenixenterprise

> http://www.amwayphp.com/mazer



Marshmallow and corn silk are soothing to the urinary tract.



Phylanthus niruri know as Chanca Piedra has a reputation in Germany and

the rainforest as a safe anti-lithic.  It is available in the US from

http://www.rain-tree.com (no commercial connection).



The calcium mechanism in the body is affected by other minerals such as

phosphorous, magnesium, selenium, zinc and boron as well as vitamins C

and D.



Stones can be caused by either an excess or a deficiency of calcium as

in calcium deficiency the body calls calcium from the bones to supply

the blood.  (Calcium is essential for nerve cells).  This leads to

deposits in unwanted places such as the muscles, arteries and urinary

tract. 



Take a good mineral and trace element supplement and have your calcium

status checked out.



For some people eating a vegetarian diet helps by keeping the body more

alkaline.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:36:56 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:



Irene Mazer wrote:



> What would help ease the pain while waiting for a kidney stone to pass?

> And what would help prevent them? And... anything else that can help?



Irene,



I found a lot of good information at this site about preventing kidney

stones, among other things, but you need to wade through it, as there is

ALOT of information.



http://www.hps-online.com/tbhealth.htm



Susana







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:15:47 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 09:54 PM 10/1/98 -0700, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>:

>

>What would help ease the pain while waiting for a kidney stone to pass?

>And what would help prevent them? And... anything else that can help?

>TIA

>  Irene



Nowdays kidney stones can be pulverized with lasers, no surgery.  Herbs

that can help include lemon juice and lemon peel and parsley juice.  I

would also look into dietary changes to prevent stones and make sure that

digestion is adequate.  If you're developing stones, you are usually to

alkaline.  DO NOT USE ANTACIDS!.  Tums, as recommended by MD's for calcium

are an almost sure way to stones.  If you take a calcium supplement make

sure it is one of the more digestable forms of calcium such as citrate or

colloidal. Daily doses of Digestive bitters may be helpful in prevention.

Avoid excess of food especially sugars and fats which can sometimes mess up

a damaged digestive system.  A Chinese herbal combination called Shen Chu

might be helpful for digestion.  You'd have to check with a Chinese

herbalist for confirmation.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

pinch them."

 **Marvin the Martian**

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: Kerry Wooster <kerryw@hctc.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:01:57 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Kerry Wooster <kerryw@hctc.net>:



May I recommend clean, fresh, unpasturized goat milk? I have drunk up to

a gallon a day for extended periods with no stone problems. I can not

speak for pasturized goat milk and this is not to say that someone else

might not develop stones anyway. Just my experience.

Kerry

-- 



cya,



Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep

the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev. 14:12



A prudent man forseeth the evil, and hides himself:

but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 22:3









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 01:43:57 EDT

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In a message dated 10/1/98 2:47:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

seagul1@voicenet.com writes:



> My father was diagnosed as having kidney stones  >snip.> He was supposed to

go have one taken out >snip>they said they could not do the lasar type thing

but

>  would have to go in through the penis and up to where the stone was).   He

>  had a lot of pain the  2 nights  and after that  he felt fine.  No pain, no

pressure so he decided not to go to the surgery. I feel that this was a

mistake and that he should have talked to his Dr and that the stone probably

moved from the kidney into the bladder.>



Terri,  



Been there - done that - about 6 time in my life starting at 24 and ending at

39 - all before seeing the little green light - and the experience you

describe sounds like a mild attack by comparison.  I have been immobilized in

incredible pain for a week while the stone moved from where it was caught in

the urethra  to the bladder, and I would take that experience over having the

"experience" of letting them "explore" the inner workings of my urinary tract

any day of the week.  Some times it is not possible to avoid this, but more

often than not, it is just a matter of drinking lots of water and cranberry

juice and waiting for the body to pass the stone.  Though they can find it and

locate it precisely, assess its size and determine how long before it finishes

the journey between the kidney and the bladder, the Doctors want to do all

sorts of things including putting that unbelievable thing with lights and jaws

and a little eyepiece into you which tears up tissue never meant to stretch

that far on the way up and then after crushing the stone, they withdraw it and

let the  body's natural system carry out the resulting little pieces of

crushed stone.  



I can tell you with some authority that passing the gravel through something

that is less than the size of a hair on your head but that has just been

inflamed by being stretched to about a half inch, is not a whole lot different

from passing the stone.  And the scar tissue left from the process can wind up

being problematic for years.  Your dad did the right thing.  After the third

stone I learned that the good allos could do nothing but one of two things -

let it pass or go after it -  and aside from giving you some GREAT drugs to

keep you in a stupor so the pain was a LITTLE lighter, there was really

nothing they could do in the hospital that you couldn't do at home.  At least

at home you didn't have to be the "show piece" patient that the residents all

brought the students to stand and look at and discuss while you were

contemplating just how many more degrees of insult your body would take before

you just passed out.  An initial evaluation to determine that the thing is

moving and not the size a boulder is all that you need  - if it is bad - stay

- if not - go.  Another time I will give a blow by blow on the last one -

which I still have in a test tube with a cork in it- and which measures 1/4 x

1/8 x 1/8  - in kidney stone terms - the rock of Gibraltar - that took 11

months to pass completely.

    

>  He is 71 yrs old, very active (drives a charter tour bus and hauls Lime

>  which he has to shovel and such plus does all of his own truck work . . .

>  .he sits a lot tho'.)

>  He has high blood pressure (taking medication . . . . wasn't majorly high

>  but high enough).



Get him on some garlic, Co Q-10 and hawthorn compound, the BP will drop and he

can get rid of the meds.  Talk to me off list for another suggestion that

helps for the heart.



>  He takes saw palmetto blend and cranberry capsules when he remembers.   He

>  is drinking lots of water.    His diet is so so.   Not much veggies, hardly

>  any fast food, but he drinks a lot of juice and some soda.



And he has made it to this point in his life - these things are not going to

kill him.  Juice and soda are not THAT bad for him.  If he takes his herbs and

they get his heart toned and his BP down, let him enjoy something.   

 

>  Any suggestions as to what herbs might help?

For the stones and as a tonic help his poor system recover, gravel root and

stone root (how appropriate) tincture, maybe with a little something else

thrown in like Hydrangea and/or Bearberry  All of these are herbs that are

specific to the treatment of urinary tract disorders and in particular kidney

stones. the Bearberry is very much indicated right now since it is quite

astringent and will help the healing process that needs to take place in the

urethra.  



hope this helps and that he gets to feeling better - Don't grouse at him too

much for not going and having the surgery after he started feeling better.

Once the stone has passed fromt he kidney to the bladder, the time for

problems and pain is over  and I have never heard of someone having any

difficulty passing a stone from the bladder.  It just waits for the next high

tide and out it goes.  And, trust me when I tell you this, if you are the one

that is going through it, YOU KNOW IMMEDIATELY when that "passage" has taken

place.  You may be sore for two weeks afterwards, but the differences in pain

level leaves no question whatsoever in your mind as to what has just happened

and that you will be OK.  

peter.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:22:40 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



seagul1@voicenet.com wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from seagul1@voicenet.com:

> 

> Hi,

> My father was diagnosed as having kidney stones (he was also give 7 days

> worth of Floxin antibiotic).   He was supposed to go have one taken out (it

> was in the kidney and they said they could not do the lasar type thing but

> would have to go in through the penis and up to where the stone was).   He

> had a lot of pain the  2 nights before the scheduled surgery and after that

> he felt fine.  No pain, no pressure so he decided not to go to the surgery.

> I feel that this was a mistake and that he should have talked to his Dr.

> and that the stone probably moved from the kidney into the bladder.

> He is 71 yrs old , very active (drives a charter tour bus and hauls Lime

> which he has to shovel and such plus does all of his own truck work . . .

> .he sits a lot tho'.)

> He has high blood pressure (taking medication . . . . wasn't majorly high

> but high enough).

> He takes saw palmetto blend and cranberry capsules when he remebers.   He

> is drinking lots of water.    His diet is so so.   not much veggies, hardly

> any fast food, but he drinks a lot of juice and some soda.

> 

> Any suggestions as to what herbs might help?

> 

> Terri



The Rainforest herb Phylanthus niruri known as Chanca Piedra has a

history of safe use in the Amazon and in Germany where one intrepid

herbalist managed to obtain and use it.



It is supportive of the liver and kidneys.  In fact I believe it has

been looked at by certain drugs companies with a view to using it

against hepatitis.



It is available from http://www.rain-tree.com

You will find full plant profiles and refernces to clinical data on the

site.



I have no commercial interest other than that I am looking to purchase

these herbs for use on animals when they arrive in the UK.



You may think this is a little wierd but I specialise in the natural

nutrition an treatment of rabbits and guinea pigs.  The Cambridge Cavy

Trust in England puts guinea pigs with kidney and bladder stones on a

human massage pad and vibrates them for 20 minutes twice a day to help

shatter the stones.  A kind of guinea pig substitute for ultrasound!









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: Csono@aol.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:07:50 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Csono@aol.com:



When my husband had a kidney stone, he drank the juice of 1/2 a lemon in a

glass of water every hour. It helped with the pain and is supposed to dissolve

stones. My two cents.



Robyn Hardgrove

Csono @AOL.COM





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kidney stones

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:42:37 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 15:07:50 EDT, Csono@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>To herb@MyList.net from Csono@aol.com:

>

>When my husband had a kidney stone, he drank the juice of 1/2 a lemon in a

>glass of water every hour. It helped with the pain and is supposed to dissolve

>stones. My two cents.



There's two different types of kidney stones: uric acid and alkaline.

You can dissolve uric acid stones by diet, or herbs, or whatever. They're clumps

of gravel with some mucous in between.



You can't dissolve alkaline stones except by one of those cannons in the

doctor's office, so you better get rid of them while they're small. They're

single crystals, by and large.



A tendency for alkaline stones shows its presence by milky 'sand' in your urine.

It's the first sign that something's wrong. If you ignore that you'll have

larger stones, in your kidneys, and when they're dislodged and go down the

ureter and urethra they'll be a tad more painful than said sand.



You can get this kind of stones for example because you binge seriously on

sugar, or because you have impaired thyroid function. Check your diet...



You can catch your urine and let it settle just to check for this type of kidney

stone.



If you do find gravel, flush it out of the kidneys before it gets big and

strong. Hydrangea arborescens root, decoction or tincture, works fine for this,

but if you use this plant -without- having this specific problem, your kidneys

just might tell you to Stop It!, with a nice dull ache. So don't, unless.



With any kidney stones, drinking a lot of water in the acute phase helps.



Also, herbs to relax the pain from those spasming ducts - think of Dioscorea

villosa (a prime antispasmodic, having nothing at -all- to do with any kind of

hormone), or Lobelia (too high a dosage will make you nauseus though). Acorus

calamus (preferably the American variety - diploid? triploid? I forget) will

also numb out the pain, as will catnip or angelica, albeit not as much.

Eschscholtzia will help you get some sleep. Slippery elm will make the urine

more slippery (yep, the slippery elm mucous gets dissolved in the small

intestine and then put together again, I think it was in the kidneys), and

that'll help you pass them faster. You could try Malva or other such (Althaea,

Alcea, Sidalcea...) for that too.



Other than that, just relax into it. Perhaps they'll even have a nice program on

TV when you're in one of your less painful phases. It's much preferable not to

let them get that big at all...



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: Herbs and health <HERB@MyList.net>

Subject: Kidney stones

From: Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 21:58:24 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>:



Thanks to the many who have sent useful and interesting information. I

shall pass it along to the person who needs it.





Irene

-- 

Irene R. Mazer, Ph.D.	irm@cwix.com	ICQ#13575568

The Phoenix Enterprise - Helping others reach their dreams

Voice mail:206-286-2482;Fax: 253-987-7862; Page:253-677-4404

http://www.angelfire.com/wa/phoenixenterprise

http://www.amwayphp.com/mazer





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Ginseng and Fibromyalgia

From: Denise <denise@picoftheweb.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 15:19:45 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Denise <denise@picoftheweb.com>:



This is my first post, and may be longwinded.......  just warning you ahead of

time.  :o)



I have Fibromyalgia, and suffer from chronic pain in my muscles and joints, and

quite severe headaches on a regular basis.  Mornings are horrible for me, and

until recently, I've had a horrid dread of getting up every day.



I've been trying to research "good" herbal remedies that will help with fatigue,

muscle aches, memory enhancement, mood stabilization, and relaxation.  please

give me your ideas on my regimine as you see fit, it will really help in

furthering my research on what will work for me.  I'm trying to use common sense

as much as possible, but there are so many conflicting reports here and there on

this and that - makes it hard for me to know that I'm getting all the info I

need.



I do not take conventional meds as I have zero tolerance for the usual scripts

given for FMS which include Anti-depressants, pain killers, tranquilizers, etc,

and I have no intentions of being drugged and dopey for the rest of my life.  I

do not want to cover my symptoms instead of working on what's actually wrong, so

I've been trying to incorporate more naturally healing foods and herbal

supplements with my lifestyle changes.



I take Kava Kava, which has been incredible for keeping me somewhat relaxed, and

I'm nowhere near as tense or grouchy as I was.  I don't feel groggy or hyper,

just "good" and that's huge accomplishment for someone with FMS.  :o)  (st johns

wort did nothing)



Next is Ginkgo Biloba, then Goto Kola and Bilberry.  I don't really have any

question about them, but if there may be anything I need to know, please add

your comments.  I don't have any blood clotting disorders or hypertension, my BP

has always been either good or a bit low, and it's been good on a regular basis

since I started these.



Now - this is the one that I really welcome input on.  Nothing has been as

helpful as this one, and of course, this is the one that I've since found out I

shouldn't take.  Please help.....



Siberian Ginseng (which is or isn't a ginseng at all?)  Please, someone

elaborate on what I've heard and read, which is that it's not so much for women

as it is for men, and especially not before menopause (I'm 28) and shouldn't be

taken for extended periods. Why, why, and why, please?



My heart sank when I read these things, because since I've added this to my

daily dose of the good stuff, I've got stamina, feel GREAT, for some reason, my

sinuses aren't bothering me at all (which is VERY unusual, no matter what time

of year).

I"ve been able to play in the floor with my kids for the first time painfree in

over 3 years.  It's not a hyper feeling, I don't have a rapid heartbeat, or feel

spacey or souped up like a caffeine rush.  My muscles don't ache.  This is the

cleanest that my house has been in who knows how long, because I'm able to move

and do, and I don't have that instantaneous exhaustion that usually follows any

physical "labor".



Sorry if that's too deep on details, but I wanted to show you what is happening,

so that if anyone can recommend something safer than the SG, you'll see what I

really need for it to do.



Is it okay for me to ask for opinions on 5-HTP, too?  :o)  Supposedly incredible

for FMS, but has been pulled then put back.  I know why it was pulled, but what

about it now that it's back?  any ideas?



Thanks SO much for the help!!!



Denise



denise@picoftheweb.com

http://www.picoftheweb.com/network/index.html







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Ginseng and Fibromyalgia

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 02:14:11 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/1/98 4:55:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

denise@picoftheweb.com writes:



> 

>  Siberian Ginseng (which is or isn't a ginseng at all?)  Please, someone

>  elaborate on what I've heard and read, which is that it's not so much for 

> women as it is for men, and especially not before menopause (I'm 28) and

shouldn't 

> be taken for extended periods. Why, why, and why, please?



Since it is again late and I have an early morning appointment, I will make

this as brief as it is possible for me to do and will respond directly or on

list to the rest of the post later, but I couldn't pass on this piece of it. 



WHERE di yo read this drivel.  Elethrococus Sintecocus (Siberian) is not a

true ginseng as the Panax family is, but the reason it is called a ginseng is

because it acts like one in many many ways.  The principal difference with the

Elethro root and the Panax roots is that the Panax ginsengs call on the

adrenals to assist in their energy production always taking more than they

leave and Elethro works through some slightly different mechanisms and always

leaves more than it takes so that after taking it over a period of time, it

nourishes the system and provides additional stores of energy that you can

call on without having to go for the  Ma-huang, kola or Panax stuff to jump

start you.   - If there is a MALE  and FEMALE designation, I have always

maintained that Elethro is the WOMAN's herb because its actions are more

closely attuned to the woman's psyche than to the man's.  The Panax ginsengs

are definitely a "guy thing" kind of herb that will give the testosterone

starved jocks the boost that they think that they need - NOW!!  Elethro takes

60 days or more to give you all of the energy that you can get from it, but it

will sustain you for a lot longer time without depleting your adrenals in the

process.  



By my way of thinking ginseng is something that women in particular should

have as part of a regular regimen - taking a week off every so often just to

let the body go on its own.  And menopause (as a time in one's life) has got

nothing to do with anything  when it comes to elethro  - Panax on the other

hand should not be taken every day for any extended period of time - if it is

you will crash and burn when you have just drained every last ounce of stored

energy from your body.   So rest easy - burn the books that you read that in

and enjoy yourself - it IS what life is about.

My two cents worth - care to comment or add to this  Mary and Karen??

peter









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: question regarding "recao"

From: Rebecca Malamud <malamud@ymail.yu.edu>

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 17:26:09 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Rebecca Malamud <malamud@ymail.yu.edu>:



As a recent subscriber to this list, I must say that I enjoy reading all the

questions and answers.  I, too, have a question that someone out there might

help me with.  I recently bought a salad green at a greengrocer located in a

heavily hispanic neighborhood (Puerto Rican and Dominican).  It's called

"recao" in Spanish.  It looks like it could be related to dandelion, but I'm

not certain.  It's about the same height as dandelion (approx. 7 in.),

bright green, with a leaf that tapers into the stem.  However, unlike

dandelion, it does not have a jagged edge.  It has, instead, a fine-toothed

edge (like a buzz saw).  It is not as bitter as dandelion.  I just would

like to know what I am eating.  

TIA



Rebecca 







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: tincture mixture

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 21:45:13 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:



Hi everyone,



We have discussed using alcohol and glycerin for extraction purposes.  Does

anyone have thoughts on using part glycerin and part alcohol in the same jar

to extract medicinal parts from plants?  What would the pros and cons be?

Would the alcohol override the glycerine too much?



Thanks, (and as always, curious)



Susana

http://members.tripod.com/~Susana_X/index-2.html

Thought for the day:  Asking dumb questions is easier than correcting dumb

mistakes.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: lice treatments?

From: ziroli@juno.com (nell ziroli)

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 20:32:33 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from ziroli@juno.com (nell ziroli):



I need advice on a non chemical treatment for head lice!!

Thanks!

~~Nell



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: lice treatments?

From: "Anthony Black" <ant.b@clear.net.nz>

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 14:10:21 +1200

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anthony Black" <ant.b@clear.net.nz>:



Try tea-tree or manuka oil. Either mixed into the shampoo, or as a final

rinse (leave on for a short time).

Regards

Michelle



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> From: nell ziroli <ziroli@juno.com>

> To: herb@MyList.net

> Subject: lice treatments?

> Date: Friday, 2 October 1998 12:32

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from ziroli@juno.com (nell ziroli):

> 

> I need advice on a non chemical treatment for head lice!!

> Thanks!

> ~~Nell

> 

> ___________________________________________________________________

> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: lice treatments?

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:09:48 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



Anthony Black wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from "Anthony Black" <ant.b@clear.net.nz>:

> 

> Try tea-tree or manuka oil. Either mixed into the shampoo, or as a final

> rinse (leave on for a short time).

> Regards

> Michelle

> 

> ----------

> > From: nell ziroli <ziroli@juno.com>

> > To: herb@MyList.net

> > Subject: lice treatments?

> > Date: Friday, 2 October 1998 12:32

> >

> > To herb@MyList.net from ziroli@juno.com (nell ziroli):

> >

> > I need advice on a non chemical treatment for head lice!!

> > Thanks!

> > ~~Nell

> >

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Manuka is very expensive in the UK but if I could get it at a sensible

price I would use it in preference to tea tree oil as it is less likely

to cause skin irritation/allergy.  I react to tea tree oil myself.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: lice treatments?

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:34:57 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 12:09 PM 10/2/98 +0100, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:

>

>Anthony Black wrote:

>> 

>> To herb@MyList.net from "Anthony Black" <ant.b@clear.net.nz>:

>> 

>> Try tea-tree or manuka oil. Either mixed into the shampoo, or as a final

>> rinse (leave on for a short time).

>> Regards

>> Michelle

>> 

>> ----------

>> > From: nell ziroli <ziroli@juno.com>

>> > To: herb@MyList.net

>> > Subject: lice treatments?

>> > Date: Friday, 2 October 1998 12:32

>> >

>> > To herb@MyList.net from ziroli@juno.com (nell ziroli):

>> >

>> > I need advice on a non chemical treatment for head lice!!

>> > Thanks!

>> > ~~Nell

>> >

>> > ___________________________________________________________________

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>

>

>Manuka is very expensive in the UK but if I could get it at a sensible

>price I would use it in preference to tea tree oil as it is less likely

>to cause skin irritation/allergy.  I react to tea tree oil myself.

>

>

>

A simple and inexpensive (however messy) treatment is to take mayonaise and

saturate the hair with it and wrap up the hair in plastic wrap and leave it

on overnight.  It will smother the lice but will not kill the eggs.  To get

rid of the eggs, rinse the hair in a half water half vinegar solution to

loosen the eggs from the hair shaft and comb with a fine toothed lice comb.

 Make sure you wash ALL bedding, clothing, coats, hats, chairs, etc that

have been exposed to a lice ridden person.  Then adding a little tea tree

oil to your shampoo can help prevent reinfection.  Any aromatic herb might

discourage the little buggers.  I know one person who says that the berries

of Devil's Club rubbed in the hair will get rid of lice.  Haven't tried

that.  They are, however, VERY pungent smelling.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

pinch them."

 **Marvin the Martian**

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: lice treatments?

From: " Glenbrook Farm" <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Thu, 1 Oct 1998 21:58:07 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from " Glenbrook Farm" <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



How about thyme essential oils drops in your shampoo 

or Quassia chip tea rinse ?

Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs





----------

> From: Anthony Black <ant.b@clear.net.nz>

> To: herb@MyList.net

> Subject: Re: lice treatments?

> Date: Thursday, October 01, 1998 7:10 PM

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from "Anthony Black" <ant.b@clear.net.nz>:

> 

> Try tea-tree or manuka oil. Either mixed into the shampoo, or as a final

> rinse (leave on for a short time).

> Regards

> Michelle

> 

> ----------

> > From: nell ziroli <ziroli@juno.com>

> > To: herb@MyList.net

> > Subject: lice treatments?

> > Date: Friday, 2 October 1998 12:32

> > 

> > To herb@MyList.net from ziroli@juno.com (nell ziroli):

> > 

> > I need advice on a non chemical treatment for head lice!!

> > Thanks!

> > ~~Nell

> > 

> > ___________________________________________________________________

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: lice treatments?

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 11:58:53 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



nell ziroli wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from ziroli@juno.com (nell ziroli):

> 

> I need advice on a non chemical treatment for head lice!!

> Thanks!

> ~~Nell

> 

> ___________________________________________________________________

> You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail.

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I specialise in the natural care of rabbits and guinea pigs.  Guinea

pigs suffer from a range of parasites including burrowing (sarcoptiform)

mite which suck blood; running lice and static lice which feed off dead

skin cells.



I have found a number of customers have been using the shampoos and

conditioner I make for their children with head lice.  The shampoos

cobntain either lavender, lemongrass, teatree, patchouli, geranium,

grapefruit seed extract and quassia (this is also anti-fungal) or

citronella, lemon, orange, bergamot, eucaluptus citreodora, rosemary,

quassia and grapefruit seed extract.  The first is tested more on human

head lice and works well.  The second is a new formula aimed at the

static mite which cling to the hair shaft and don't respond 100% to the

first formula.



The conditioner contains neem oil, rosemary, orange, palmarosa, quassia

and grapefruit seed extract.  It is an important part of headlice

treatment to go through the hair with a fine tooth comb when the

conmditioner is on the hair as this makes the lice easier to remove. 

Part the hair and comb in sections until you,ve done the whole head.



For a totally natural hair treatment I produce Piggy Paste used on

delicate guinea pigs which are prone to fitting when badly infested. 

This contains absolutely no preservatives or chemical ingredients at

all.  It uses soapnut to emulsify the neem oil and neem oil carries the

essential oils.  Soap nut is anti-allergenic and used for people with

psoriasis.  This also works on Sweet Itch which horses get.



For more information check out my website (commercial if you're into

guinea pigs and rabbits!) http://www.galens-garden.mcmail.com









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Re: lice treatments?

From: KR1989@aol.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 09:44:20 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from KR1989@aol.com:



There was just an article on this in one of my herbal magazines.  They said to

put 4 cups apple cider vinegar, 4 cups water, and 1/2oz thyme essential oil.

Massage into scalp nightly. Use 1/2 cup  for children 7 and under and 1 cup

for anyone older. (this is non-toxic, but will sting if it gets in eyes)

After each rinse apply olive oil or coconut oil to the scalp and comb with

fine tooth comb to release nits and moisturize.  Thoroughly wash all clothes,

bedding, towels,..ect with very hot water every 2 days.  After 1 week of

treatment every day, go to treatment every 2 days to kill off any eggs that

may have been left behind and hatched.  Do the every 2 day treatment for 2

weeks.



HOpe this helps.



Kathy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Evening Primrose seed oil

From: joanr@mindlink.net

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 18:58:29 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from joanr@mindlink.net:



I take evening primrose oil capsules every day.  I read that you can utilize

the oil in the seeds by eating the seeds and I also read that doesn't work. 

Does anyone know which is true?

If the only way you can get the GLAs is by pressing the oil, I was wondering

if anyone knew of a method to extract the oil from the seed so I can use my

own home grown evening primrose plants. 



Thanks for any information.........Joan





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose seed oil

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 12:07:28 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



joanr@mindlink.net wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from joanr@mindlink.net:

> 

> I take evening primrose oil capsules every day.  I read that you can utilize

> the oil in the seeds by eating the seeds and I also read that doesn't work.

> Does anyone know which is true?

> If the only way you can get the GLAs is by pressing the oil, I was wondering

> if anyone knew of a method to extract the oil from the seed so I can use my

> own home grown evening primrose plants.

> 

> Thanks for any information.........Joan





I work with the Hemp Union in the UK on certain projects and I know they

were looking at producing a sink top oil press.  Maybe other small scale

hemp oil producers in the US have already done so.  Its worth asking.



BTW hemp seed is a good balanced source of EFAs, omega 3,6,& 9.  Evening

Primrose oil is rich in omega 6 but we should eat about 50:50 omega 6

and omega 3.  Flax seed is a good source of omega 3.



I remember the guy at the Hemp Union saying evening promrose oil was

difficult to cold extract and that the temperatures used in many

commercial extraction processes destroyed some valuable constituents of

the oil.  If this is true, and I trust the guy, then maybe you would be

better off buying a commercial brand you know you can trust.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tincture mixture (and glycerine)

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>

Date: Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:34:45 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>:



I am interested in how to tincture in glycerin also only just glycerin

and herbs like for a child. I understand it does not last too long so it

might not be a good idea. What are the other uses of glycerine by the

way? How long does the glycerin tincture last? How do you do it?

TIA,

Linda



Susana Augustyn wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:

> 

> Hi everyone,

> 

> We have discussed using alcohol and glycerin for extraction purposes.  Does

> anyone have thoughts on using part glycerin and part alcohol in the same jar

> to extract medicinal parts from plants?  What would the pros and cons be?

> Would the alcohol override the glycerine too much?

> 

> Thanks, (and as always, curious)

> 

> Susana

> http://members.tripod.com/~Susana_X/index-2.html

> Thought for the day:  Asking dumb questions is easier than correcting dumb

> mistakes.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tincture mixture (and glycerine)

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:45:34 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



If you try to to tincture in glycerin just like alcohol (50% water

including that of the herb), you won't have as strong a tincture because

glycerin is generally much less effective at extracting the compounds

that alcohol generally extracts.  You can do things where you mix the

glycerin with a decoction from the plant and infuse with the herb which

will make a stronger tincture.  



I often add glycerin to my vodka if I can't get grain alcohol, to cut the

water proportion down, but alcohol is my menstrum of choice.  I sometimes

add it at extraction to sweeten a tincture too, but not much because the

quality of the sweet glycerin taste can be somewhat annoying.



But I do use alcohol tinctures for my children and even (in water) for an

alcoholic friend who does not find tinctures tempting. (Well I might not

give him an herb tinctured in Dewars.)  The alcohol tinctures disperse

more easily in the body and appear to be carried to the affected organs

faster than with glycerites.  And I doubt that glycerites are any easier

on the liver than alcohol tinctures which disperse in the stomach and are

distributed before the glycerin hits the liver and must be broken down



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Thu, 01 Oct 1998 22:34:45 -0500 Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>:

>

>I am interested in how to tincture in glycerin also only just glycerin

>and herbs like for a child. I understand it does not last too long so 

>it

>might not be a good idea. What are the other uses of glycerine by the

>way? How long does the glycerin tincture last? How do you do it?

>TIA,

>Linda



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Your Surprise

From: nh-adapt@juno.com (Thomas Cagle)

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:15:51 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from nh-adapt@juno.com (Thomas Cagle):



From: natural <natural@wt.net>



Have never seen a real, fresh valarian root before,

just the old dry stuff.  What a difference in the aroma; still similar

but

this one different.



Would you please be so king to tell me if I should tincture this treasure

or

try to grow it again?  so many little roots, surely they would grow again

but

I defer action to you.



Thank you Tom,





Rosie





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Your Surprise

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 08:56:13 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Cut off a chunk of the root, replant the crown to regrow, and tincture

the root before it dries.  Fresh valerian has aromatics which evaporate

or degrade into the "stinky feet" smell and are not available in the dry

root.  Fresh root tincture tends not to give the hyper response to

adrenally stressed people who unwittingly try to rest by using it.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 06:15:51 -0400 nh-adapt@juno.com (Thomas Cagle)

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from nh-adapt@juno.com (Thomas Cagle):

>

>From: natural <natural@wt.net>

>Have never seen a real, fresh valarian root before,

>just the old dry stuff.  What a difference in the aroma; still similar

>but

>this one different. 

>Would you please be so king to tell me if I should tincture this 

>treasure or

>try to grow it again?  so many little roots, surely they would grow 

>again

>but

>I defer action to you.

>

>Thank you Tom,

>

>

>Rosie   

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Your Surprise

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 10:58:56 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/2/98 6:41:13 AM Eastern Daylight Time, nh-adapt@juno.com

writes:



<< Would you please be so king to tell me if I should tincture this treasure

 or

 try to grow it again?  so many little roots, surely they would grow again

 but

 I defer action to you.

 

 Thank you Tom,

  >>



I ADD:



Hi Tom -



Yes tincture of the fresh root is wonderful and very effective!



If you leave bits of the tiny roots in the ground, cover them well and water

them with some drops of Rescue Remedy or Chamomile Tea and put down a layer of

straw, they will probably overwinter.  Mine come back each year from what I

leave behind!  The taste from the fresh root tincture will be different than

from what you will get commercially, not quite the "old socks" taste you will

expect.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Amanita

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 07:29:35 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:





Amanita muscaria is "tthe flesh of the gods".

It is the one that Can be hallucinogenic.

I have gotten sick on it when I TRIED to take it for these properties, but

had a 12 hour trip when I accidentally ingested the spores which dropped

onto some other edible mushrooms I had collected.  After this I was very

careful about even Handling mushrooms that might be toxic.



Amanita phalloides is toxic...as is A.virosa and A. verna and others.

I have eaten A. caesaria and A.rubescens, but this was a long time ago and I

was sure of my identification.

I am not so sure of ANYTHING anymore.



Joanie MacPhee

macphee@net1plus.com



>Are you sure tha Amanita called "the flesh of the gods" and used in

religious

>ceremonies is Amanita phalloides?  There are other Amanita species, and I

>believe not all are toxic.  Some might be hallucinogenic.

>

>Thomas Mueller

>tmueller@bluegrass.net

>







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To: "'herb@MyList.net@inetgw'" <herb@MyList.net> (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested)

Subject: RE: Ginseng and more

From: Downs Kirsten G <Kirsten.G.Downs@usdoj.gov>

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 8:41:43 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Downs Kirsten G <Kirsten.G.Downs@usdoj.gov>:





What are other helpful herbs for fibroids?



Thanks,

Kirsten





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Ginseng and more

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:59:14 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/2/98 8:43:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

Kirsten.G.Downs@usdoj.gov writes:



> What are other helpful herbs for fibroids?

Too little time to respond completely - but anything that will detoxify, flush

and nourish your liver.  I wrote something some time back on fibroids but

can't find it right now.  Write me - off list and I will save the mail till I

find the piece I did - or do a new one.

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Ginseng and more

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 22:55:42 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Herbalists in the 1980s used to think that "estrogenic" herbs shouldn't

be given in cases of cancer.  However that was based upon the notion that

estrogen is a substance like progesterone which will stimulate cancer. 

Estrogen is not a single substance, rather it is a class of substances

that regulate estrus in mammals.  Women are known to have over 100

different types of estrogen receptors, although we have only named about

a dozen estrogenic substances.  The estrogens given in ERT, only a few of

the estrogenic substances, do stimulate cancer.  Several of the body's

estrogenic substances can promote cancer, especially in the proper

combinations. They do so indirectly after having been incorporated into

estrogen receptor cells which are locked into by the hormone molecules

and change physical shape.  



However there are a few types of other substances which will incompletely

lock into the estrogen receptors, preventing them from changing and

completing the cancer-stimulating cycle.  The so-called phytoestrogens

have very similar shapes to that of some of the cancer-promoting

estrogens and will incompletely lock up the "docking bay' of the receptor

so that there are fewer receptors available for cancer stimulation.  That

is why, for instance, red clover or soy are traditional treatments for

breast cancer and probably have a significant preventative effect. 

Uterine cancer is a bit more problematical since it has different

hormonal triggers, but the same logic is in effect.



Xenoestrogens have a more stimulating effect and apparently do not lock

up receptors the same way as phytoestrogens.  These compounds, found in

plastics, pesticides and industrial compounds are not natural and the

body does not know how to appropriately process them.  They stimulate

cancer.



Ginseng is not a good idea, not because of phytoestrogens, but because

its warming energetics can be too building for cancer, which is a hot

condition.  Dong quai stimulates bleeding and is hence not usually

appropriate for fibroids or endometriosis.  AmberBarbara's comment on not

messing around with hormonal substances unless you know what you are

doing however is very apt. 



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:13:31 -0500 (CDT) Barbara <amber@IO.COM> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

>

>

>

>

>On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 NEHrbSup@aol.com wrote:

>

>> To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:

>> 



>PLEASE

>

>Be careful with ginseng (panax), dong qui & any other herbs with

>estrogenic activity when you have female conditions like polyps &

fibroids

>& endometriosis.  I am a ovarian & uterine cancer survivor who is using

>herbs to rebuild my immune system.  The medical literature is showing

more

>& more that estrogen can have detrimental effects with female problems

>(especially when one gets too much estrogen, I think, or one's body has

>trouble using the normal amount of estrogen).  My doctors support my use

>of herbs (THANK YOU FOR PROGRESSIVE CAREGIVERS!!!) but they require me 

>not to take herbs with estrogenic activity.  Also, I can tell when I am

>getting estrogen, it makes me anxious.



>AmberBarbara

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Extract for MOMORDICA CHARANTIA - 

From: Nadeem Ahmed Chandna <chandna@digicom.net.pk>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 20:23:55 +0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Nadeem Ahmed Chandna <chandna@digicom.net.pk>:



Hi,



Can anyone guide me to make extract of herb MOMORDICA CHARANTIA (Bitter

Melon).



The fruit is used to maintain Blood Sugar Level.



I am developing it's extract tablet.



Regards,



Chandna





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Extract for MOMORDICA CHARANTIA -

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:59:24 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



Nadeem Ahmed Chandna wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Nadeem Ahmed Chandna <chandna@digicom.net.pk>:

> 

> Hi,

> 

> Can anyone guide me to make extract of herb MOMORDICA CHARANTIA (Bitter

> Melon).

> 

> The fruit is used to maintain Blood Sugar Level.

> 

> I am developing it's extract tablet.

> 

> Regards,

> 

> Chandna



I don't know how you make the extract but can give you this information.



This extract is already available in capsule form in the UK and doesn@t

have the problem of bitterness that the Karela has naturally.

Contact Multilinks Ltd

12, the Broadway, Southall

Middlesex UB1 3QN  UK

Tel/fax (44) 181 574 8845

http://www.multilinks.com

(No commercial connection)



Other good herbs for diabetes are Pedra Hume Caa, Pata de Vaca and

Stevia available from http://www.rain-tree.com



Chromium piccolinate is sometimes advocated and there is a colloidal

form of chromium in the US.  We get it here through Dove Health but I

can't lay my hands on their details just now.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Extract for MOMORDICA CHARANTIA -

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:31:10 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:59:24 +0100, Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com> wrote

to herb@MyList.net:



>Other good herbs for diabetes are Pedra Hume Caa, Pata de Vaca and

>Stevia available from http://www.rain-tree.com



I've got a couple of peeves with that sentence. Just so you know my bias: I'm

all for bioregional herbalism, ie. use what's available in your neck of the

woods, wherever possible.



So, first off, I don't really believe in using a lot of exotic plants when

there's plenty of good herbs growing in our own woods.



Most of us have no idea what those plants are. So, if you are going to recommend

them, it would be good to include a short description on how these plants act,

in actual people, with the tweaked metabolisms you are telling us to take it

for. There are a couple different types of diabetes, and just a plant name

(without even mentioning the latin name, which might give some of us a clue)

really is not enough information.



Of those you mentioned I know Stevia, the sweetener. But how healthy is the idea

of fooling the brain into thinking there will be some blood sugar coming up

shortly? It just might result in a kind of blood sugar yo-yo, because the brain

sets up shop to get rid of all that incoming sugar, fast, fast, and then it

doesn't come in after all - but it takes a while for the brain to catch up to

that fact, and when it does it releases glucose into the bloodstream to

compensate ... not something you'd wish on your favorite diabetic.



However, that's what a fake sweet taste on your tongue can do - because it

tweaks your brain.



I guess my advice to diabetics would be to go see a practitioner, and not take

any old herb willy-nilly, just because it's been mentioned by name on an

internet mailing list.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Extract for MOMORDICA CHARANTIA -

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 17:34:23 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



Henriette Kress wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

> 

> On Fri, 02 Oct 1998 18:59:24 +0100, Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com> wrote

> to herb@MyList.net:

> 

> >Other good herbs for diabetes are Pedra Hume Caa, Pata de Vaca and

> >Stevia available from http://www.rain-tree.com

> 

> I've got a couple of peeves with that sentence. Just so you know my bias: I'm

> all for bioregional herbalism, ie. use what's available in your neck of the

> woods, wherever possible.

> 

> So, first off, I don't really believe in using a lot of exotic plants when

> there's plenty of good herbs growing in our own woods.

> 

> Most of us have no idea what those plants are. So, if you are going to recommend

> them, it would be good to include a short description on how these plants act,

> in actual people, with the tweaked metabolisms you are telling us to take it

> for. There are a couple different types of diabetes, and just a plant name

> (without even mentioning the latin name, which might give some of us a clue)

> really is not enough information.

> 

> Of those you mentioned I know Stevia, the sweetener. But how healthy is the idea

> of fooling the brain into thinking there will be some blood sugar coming up

> shortly? It just might result in a kind of blood sugar yo-yo, because the brain

> sets up shop to get rid of all that incoming sugar, fast, fast, and then it

> doesn't come in after all - but it takes a while for the brain to catch up to

> that fact, and when it does it releases glucose into the bloodstream to

> compensate ... not something you'd wish on your favorite diabetic.

> 

> However, that's what a fake sweet taste on your tongue can do - because it

> tweaks your brain.

> 

> I guess my advice to diabetics would be to go see a practitioner, and not take

> any old herb willy-nilly, just because it's been mentioned by name on an

> internet mailing list.

> 

> Cheers

> Henriette

> 

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...



I am a freelance researcher and specialist in the natural care and

nutrition of rabbits and guinea pigs, natural herbivores which respond

very well to herbal solutions to their health problems.  As I am not a

qualified human medical herbalist I try to provide information rather

than advice.



My response was to a person who was intending to make their own tincture

of Momordica charantia.  A person who is already at that stage of

wanting to work with bitter melon can be presumed to have an existing

level of understanding and resourcefulness.  The information was

targetted at that individual to allow them to progress further with

their work if this avenue felt right.



My responses to more general enquiries tend to be worded a little

differently as you will be able to discern from other replies.  You will

see from my reply to Miikkali Leppihalme in Helsinki for example that I

take the time to provide information which is not available on the

internet.  Equally, when it is available as it is at Raintree.com, I do

not waste my precious time or energy.  In addition my reply to Lynn's

general enquiry about cranberry juice for kidney disease in a diabetic

lady I made reference to the same herbs for diabetes but recommended the

lady consult and work with her doctor because the herbs could reduce her

need for insulin. 



However, I am new to the list and I appreciate your concern that other

readers may have taken my reference as advice.



I agree with you that in an ideal world the herbs we need would be to

hand, quite literally.  Unfortunately with intensive farming, pollution,

vaccination and other man made problems the plans of the Creator have

gone a little awry.  As the planet has in many ways become smaller, and

environmental harm has been done by Western intrusion which needs to be

brought into balance, it is not unnatural that many of us look further

afield and seek to protect plants more globally.  (Raintree herbs are

sustainably wild crafted by the indigenous peoples).



It would be of tremendous help if you could suggest suitable herbs

native to North America or Europe.  I use mainly native herbs.  In fact

as I specialise in rabbits and guinea pigs I use only the herbs which

they eat. So in principle I am in absolute agreement with you. I have

only had to look further afield for a solution to lithiosis and in that

process came across Chanca Piedra (Phyllanthus niruri), a herb of the

Rainforest also used in Ayurvedic herbal medicine where it is known as

Bhumi Amla.  It was in searching for the source of this herb that I

stumbled across the Raintree site and thought how valuable it was, which

is why I take the time and trouble to share that information with

people.

 

I find your comments about artificial sweeteners extremely valid,

however I understand that Stevia has other properties which confirm its

suitability. By way of reassurance, the Raintree site is fully

referenced with herbal monographs for each plant, including Stevia, and

covers traditional uses, constituents, actions, bibliographical

references and clinical references for the benefit of practitioners.



I hope you will take the time to explore the site as I'm sure you will

find it interesting and maybe even a useful resource.



If you want to check me out my site is at

http://www.galens-garden.mcmail.com



It is better to enter the tiger forest on the back of an elephant!







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To: Jennifer Kiliszewski <j_iris@JUNO.COM>

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 13:02:22 -0500 (CDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:



Hi All,



I have been hearing for about ten years now that comfrey is harmful if

taken internally.



>From one reference -



Comfrey may cause liver damage & cancer through internal use.



The Complete Book of Natural Medicines & Cures, from Prevention Magazine,

page 250.



There are several other coomon herbs listed here too -



Borage - harmful in large doses, may cause liver damage & cancer   

Broom...



Barbara





On Sun, 27 Sep 1998, Jennifer Kiliszewski wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):

> 

> Greetings!

> 	I have a large comfrey crop in my yard and after 2 years am

> finally dicovering how wonderful it is.  One book say to use it like

> spinach, so I tasted it raw and it's delicious!  I have read about the

> medicinal uses, but am unable to find any nutritional informantion.

>  

> *Does comfrey tend to contain calcium?  In what form and how available? 

> What properties are lost when heating comfrey?  Is it safe for internal

> (rectal) use for hemmorhoids?  Dry or fresh? (my intution say use it and

> use it raw).

> 

> Thank you for your responses kind folks.       Jenny  Iris

> 

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:45:18 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 01:02 PM 10/2/98 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

>

>Hi All,

>

>I have been hearing for about ten years now that comfrey is harmful if

>taken internally.

>

>>From one reference -

>

>Comfrey may cause liver damage & cancer through internal use.

>

>The Complete Book of Natural Medicines & Cures, from Prevention Magazine,

>page 250.

>

>There are several other coomon herbs listed here too -

>

>Borage - harmful in large doses, may cause liver damage & cancer   

>Broom...

>

>Barbara

>

>

Sometimes "science" and reality differ.  I have never personally seen

damage from comfrey use internally, nor have I ever heard any other

herbalist say they have seen this happen.  If it does happen, it is

extremely rare and probably requires huge doses of comfrey over long

periods of time.  I would like to hear from someone who has ACTUALLY and

PERSONALLY seen damage from internal use of comfrey.  I know people who

have eaten comfrey greens for years with no problems.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

pinch them."

 **Marvin the Martian**

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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To: Herbs and health <HERB@MyList.net>

Subject: Comfrey

From: Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:52:35 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>:



It occurred to me as I was walking with my dog last night that one of

the things I'd been warned about was the similarity between Comfrey and

Foxglove leaves and growth habits. Could that possibly be the origin of

the mixed reports about Comfrey's safety?

-- 

Irene R. Mazer, Ph.D.	irm@cwix.com	ICQ#13575568

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 07:47:44 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:52:35 -0700, Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com> wrote to Herbs

and health <HERB@MyList.net>:



>To herb@MyList.net from Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>:

>

>It occurred to me as I was walking with my dog last night that one of

>the things I'd been warned about was the similarity between Comfrey and

>Foxglove leaves and growth habits. Could that possibly be the origin of

>the mixed reports about Comfrey's safety?



No. The origin of the mixed reports is basically a desire on the part of general

medicine to discredit herbs and herbal medicine. Or perhaps a prejudice which

works towards that end.



The comfrey scare started somewhen in the 80's based on first one, then three

more ambiguous cases where patients with veno-occlusive liver disease were taken

into hospitals. Their background intake was checked and it was found that all

more or less regularly consumed comfrey. Now, they of course regularly consumed

-other- things, too, as is wont for people who are sort of obsessed with the

idea that more is better (not always expressed in taking more of the same, but

perhaps reading every single thing there is to read on eg. constipation and

taking all the suggestions for the next couple of months - not very smart no

matter how you look at it), so how do you know it was the comfrey and not the

prescription drugs also in that cocktail?



It is true that comfrey contains pyrrolizidine alkaloids. Some of them are

toxic. However, to get that toxicity you need to be a rat and be fed about 22

times your bodyweights worth of total plant to get the alkaloids the rats got to

get their liver destroyed.



Another thing that's often overlooked is that most of 'mercas comfrey at the

time this was happening (can't say if this still is the case) came from

California, and was not comfrey (Symphytum officinale) but Russian comfrey

(Symphytum x uplandicum). The latter contains more pyrrolizidine alkaloids, and

comfrey plants which do not go through the stresses of winter contain more

pyrrolizidine. 



It's your choice. I'd lay off any Californian-grown S. x uplandicum internally,

but go for home-grown (up here in the north) Symphytum officinale.



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Comfrey

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:40:32 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Floxglove contamination of comfrey does occur and is warned about in many

herbals.



But floxglove is not the source of pyrrolizidine alkaloids which are

found in comfrey, especially the newer uplandicum hybrids which are

replacing S. officalinis as the comfrey of commerce.

Our bodies may not have the same levels of glutathione to process these

alkaloids, the species is different, our livers are more stressed, we can

better diagnose long term silent damage and we have less expectation of

fetal deaths today.  But most use of comfrey by people who are not

pregnant or do not have compromised livers is not a problem, no matter

what the FDA says.  (Newbies advised to check the archives on Henriette's

site for a review of comfrey and appropriate cautions).  



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic- seek appropriate medical

care.

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rearranging their prejudices. "  William James



On Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:52:35 -0700 Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>:

>

>It occurred to me as I was walking with my dog last night that one of

>the things I'd been warned about was the similarity between Comfrey 

>and

>Foxglove leaves and growth habits. Could that possibly be the origin 

>of

>the mixed reports about Comfrey's safety?

>-- 

>Irene R. Mazer, Ph.D.	irm@cwix.com	ICQ#13575568

>The Phoenix Enterprise - Helping others reach their dreams

>Voice mail:206-286-2482;Fax: 253-987-7862; Page:253-677-4404

>http://www.angelfire.com/wa/phoenixenterprise

>http://www.amwayphp.com/mazer

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:more about fibroids.

From: Eeyore <efalt@zianet.com>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 14:38:07 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Eeyore <efalt@zianet.com>:



It scares me frightfully when people casually mention that they have

fibroids. I had malignant degeneration of a fibroid tumor when I was 27. The

diagnoses was confirmed by six other Physicians. It was removed but required

a total hysterectomy. This was more than 50 years old and I am happy and

healthy. I've never had any problems since.



Don't let any Doctor treat fibroids as "always non-malignant". It isn't

true.



Elsa





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Subject: female problems & estrogenic herbs, was Re: Ginseng and more

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 16:13:31 -0500 (CDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:









On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 NEHrbSup@aol.com wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:

> 

> In a message dated 10/2/98 8:43:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> Kirsten.G.Downs@usdoj.gov writes:

> 

> > What are other helpful herbs for fibroids?

> Too little time to respond completely - but anything that will detoxify, flush

> and nourish your liver.  I wrote something some time back on fibroids but

> can't find it right now.  Write me - off list and I will save the mail till I

> find the piece I did - or do a new one.

> peter

> 



PLEASE



Be careful with ginseng (panax), dong qui & any other herbs with

estrogenic activity when you have female conditions like polyps & fibroids

& endometriosis.  I am a ovarian & uterine cancer survivor who is using

herbs to rebuild my immune system.  The medical literature is showing more

& more that estrogen can have detrimental effects with female problems

(especially when one gets too much estrogen, I think, or one's body has

trouble using the normal amount of estrogen).  My doctors support my use

of herbs (THANK YOU FOR PROGRESSIVE CAREGIVERS!!!) but they require me not

to take herbs with estrogenic activity.  Also, I can tell when I am

getting estrogen, it makes me anxious.



I am going to change my sign off here as I have done in other forums to

AmberBarbara because to distinguish me from the other Ambers & Barbaras.



Good luck to all the women facing female problems!



AmberBarbara







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: female problems & estrogenic herbs, was Re: Ginseng and

  more

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 08:48:42 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 04:13 PM 10/2/98 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

>

>

>

>

>On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 NEHrbSup@aol.com wrote:

>

>> To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:

>> 

>> In a message dated 10/2/98 8:43:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

>> Kirsten.G.Downs@usdoj.gov writes:

>> 

>> > What are other helpful herbs for fibroids?

>> Too little time to respond completely - but anything that will detoxify,

flush

>> and nourish your liver.  I wrote something some time back on fibroids but

>> can't find it right now.  Write me - off list and I will save the mail

till I

>> find the piece I did - or do a new one.

>> peter

>> 

>

>PLEASE

>

>Be careful with ginseng (panax), dong qui & any other herbs with

>estrogenic activity when you have female conditions like polyps & fibroids

>& endometriosis.  I am a ovarian & uterine cancer survivor who is using

>herbs to rebuild my immune system.  The medical literature is showing more

>& more that estrogen can have detrimental effects with female problems

>(especially when one gets too much estrogen, I think, or one's body has

>trouble using the normal amount of estrogen).  My doctors support my use

>of herbs (THANK YOU FOR PROGRESSIVE CAREGIVERS!!!) but they require me not

>to take herbs with estrogenic activity.  Also, I can tell when I am

>getting estrogen, it makes me anxious.

>

>I am going to change my sign off here as I have done in other forums to

>AmberBarbara because to distinguish me from the other Ambers & Barbaras.

>

>Good luck to all the women facing female problems!

>

>AmberBarbara

>

>

The herbs mentioned do not contain estrogen.  They may stimulate hormone

production.  

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

pinch them."

 **Marvin the Martian**

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Boarage

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 2 Oct 1998 17:56:56 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



<<Borage - harmful in large doses, may cause liver damage & cancer   >>



Large doses are something that you might need a boxcar for, or extraction

into a supercharged 5000:1 standardized extract of PAs.



Borage isn't high enough in constituents to cause liver damage and the

cancer association isn't even certain for other sources of similar type

PAs.  



How much borage flower salad would one have to eat every day for this? 

Hmm.....



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Need help: _very_ tight muscles

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Fri, 02 Oct 1998 22:41:27 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 06:46 PM 9/23/98 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Mitzi Miceli" <mitzeli@prodigy.net>:

>

>>a sheet of paper about suitable stretching 

>>excercises to relieve the tightness.  

>>Stretching helped a bit, she could turn her 

>>head now without pain. 

>

>Stretching is the best there is.  She needs 

>to continue stretching.  When she is more

>comfortable she could add small 1 pound 

>weights to the exercise. As she builds

>strength in this area she will begin to feel

>better.  The key here if circulation, forced 

>from the stretching, and unbinding the 

>muscles.  She might also benefit from 

>taking a calcium and magnesium supplement.

>

>>a massage oil with valerian

>and a bit of cayenne.

>

>Probably need more cayenne, it needs

>to be hot, not just warm, to relieve the pain.

>

>Hope she feels better.  This takes times

>and commitment to correct. 

>

>Mitzi Miceli  mitzeli@prodigy.net

>

>

If she has hard nodules in the back muscles, she will need more than

stretching and a few nutrients.  My mother suffered with these most of her

life.  Acupuncture helps as does massage therapy to work out the nodules.

She had them injected with cortisone at one point as well which only worked

for a short time (I don't recommend it for many reasons). A strange thing

seems to help.  Make a paste of Slippery Elm and apply it to the entire

back and keep hot all night with a heating pad.  You might also examine

things the person does that might aggravate it and change habits, bed,

chairs etc that might contribute.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

pinch them."

 **Marvin the Martian**

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~





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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Stevia care (was Momordica)

From: Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:39:57 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>:



Belinda:



Personally, I feel it is better for you to continue to contribute to the 

list.  This way,  if you have something that maybe be "questionable" 

someone will say "well,  yanooooooooooooo.... it COULD be that..........."



Open and frank discussion is the best way to uncover "the truth".  If you 

only send your posts to the "petitioner",  other folks can't learn or 

debate the info!



- Tera.



-----Original Message-----

From:	Belinda Francis [SMTP:m0116c00@mcmail.com]

Sent:	Saturday, October 03, 1998 6:26 PM

To:	herb@MyList.net

Subject:	Re: Stevia care (was Momordica)



I hope my reply to Henriette covers most of the issues.



In future I will simply write off list to such enquiries and prefix all

general replies with "I am a freeelance researcher and have read that

the following may be of help.........  If this of interest I recommend

you discuss the use of these herbs/nutrients with a qualified

herbalist/nutritionist working in conjunction with your medical

practitioner...." I hope you feel this will suffice?



BTW do you have any experience of the rainforest herbs as I would be

very interested to hear of ant 'hands on' experience of them.  In

particular Pata de Vaca and Pedra Hume Caa.



Also, what herbs have you used to successfully help diabetics both

insulin dependent and NID?  I know it is a subject of interest to a

great many people.



Sorry I seem to have caused so much havoc so soon after joining the

list.  I promise to think harder before posting in future.  Please don't

strike me off as this list is a great source of information.



Yours humbly,



Belinda.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Stevia care (was Momordica)

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 11:32:41 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/2/98 2:32:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HeK@hetta.pp.fi

writes:



<< I guess my advice to diabetics would be to go see a practitioner, and not

take

 any old herb willy-nilly, just because it's been mentioned by name on an

 internet mailing list.

 

 Cheers

 Henriette >>



I ADD:



Henriette is so right - we have diabetics come in all the time asking about

Stevia.  Now I know the internet is full of folks who say it is O.K. to take

stevia if you have diabetes. I have worked with the plant and with diabetics,

and it can go either way.  Insulin dependent diabetics usually can't take it

(that's been my experience here).  The only way it can assist is if they don't

get enough food content to use up the insulin they take before meals.  Then we

have them just swish a few drops of stevia mixed with pure water in their

mouths and spit it out.  This seems to equalize their sugar needs at that

time.Otherwise they have to be very careful.  Just because it is a sweet plant

does not mean it will solve *all* diabetics problems, and this is a condition

you really cannot afford to play with.



It is better for diabetics who control their needs through diet to still be

vigilant about what they take in terms of anything that deals with glucose and

it's metabolites.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

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Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Stevia care (was Momordica)

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:26:06 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



Herbgrow30@AOL.COM wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:

> 

> In a message dated 10/2/98 2:32:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, HeK@hetta.pp.fi

> writes:

> 

> << I guess my advice to diabetics would be to go see a practitioner, and not

> take

>  any old herb willy-nilly, just because it's been mentioned by name on an

>  internet mailing list.

> 

>  Cheers

>  Henriette >>

> 

> I ADD:

> 

> Henriette is so right - we have diabetics come in all the time asking about

> Stevia.  Now I know the internet is full of folks who say it is O.K. to take

> stevia if you have diabetes. I have worked with the plant and with diabetics,

> and it can go either way.  Insulin dependent diabetics usually can't take it

> (that's been my experience here).  The only way it can assist is if they don't

> get enough food content to use up the insulin they take before meals.  Then we

> have them just swish a few drops of stevia mixed with pure water in their

> mouths and spit it out.  This seems to equalize their sugar needs at that

> time.Otherwise they have to be very careful.  Just because it is a sweet plant

> does not mean it will solve *all* diabetics problems, and this is a condition

> you really cannot afford to play with.

> 

> It is better for diabetics who control their needs through diet to still be

> vigilant about what they take in terms of anything that deals with glucose and

> it's metabolites.

> 

> In health -

> Mary

> 

> Mary L. Conley, MNH

> The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

> Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

> Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

> ***************************

> My comments are instructional only.

> Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.





I hope my reply to Henriette covers most of the issues. 

 

In future I will simply write off list to such enquiries and prefix all

general replies with "I am a freeelance researcher and have read that

the following may be of help.........  If this of interest I recommend

you discuss the use of these herbs/nutrients with a qualified

herbalist/nutritionist working in conjunction with your medical

practitioner...." I hope you feel this will suffice?



BTW do you have any experience of the rainforest herbs as I would be

very interested to hear of ant 'hands on' experience of them.  In

particular Pata de Vaca and Pedra Hume Caa.



Also, what herbs have you used to successfully help diabetics both

insulin dependent and NID?  I know it is a subject of interest to a

great many people.



Sorry I seem to have caused so much havoc so soon after joining the

list.  I promise to think harder before posting in future.  Please don't

strike me off as this list is a great source of information.



Yours humbly,



Belinda.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Stevia care (was Momordica)

From: Kerry Wooster <kerryw@hctc.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:31:25 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Kerry Wooster <kerryw@hctc.net>:



> Yours humbly,

> 

> Belinda.

Hi Belinda,

Don't you dare!

Your opinions and knowlege are a valuable source also. We have all seen

many things on this list and others that we have disagreed with. We can

choose to respond or to let it pass. We all make errors. We have to

strike a balance. No one individual has all the answers. Your points

were valid, as were those of Henriette. I have been here long enough to

see Henriette post a few that I considered irrelevant or even that I

disagreed with.



Our biggest problem as human beings is our tendancy to follow blindly.

We have to avoid the herd mentality and take responsibility to analyse

all information. Our herd instinct is precisely what has gotten us into

the mess in which we now find ourselves.



It is true that we must be very careful to qualify our statements, but

we do have a right to make them. It's ok to take the back seat, but we

should also be allowed the right to sit up front now and then even

though it means that our mistakes will be highlighted. Live & learn.

Kerry

-- 



cya,



Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep

the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev. 14:12



A prudent man forseeth the evil, and hides himself:

but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 22:3









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: guggulu 

From: "wadada" <woodpecker@italway.it>

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:58:25 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from "wadada" <woodpecker@italway.it>:



I want to make out for guggulu, an Ayurvedic herb usefull for loosing

weight.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: looking for testosterone (in herbs)

From: ziroli@juno.com (nell ziroli)

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 07:45:45 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from ziroli@juno.com (nell ziroli):



I am looking for an herbal boost to testosterone levels (which have been

tested as low by a saliva test)  I found one reference~ in a book by

Paavo  Airola _Everywoman's Book_  stating that sarsaparilla root has

some level of testosterone.  This info is for Mom, who is post

menopausal, seeking alternatives to HRT, etc.  ANY advice is welcome,

offlist if preferred!

Thanks,

Nell

ziroli@juno.com



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Subject: Re: female problems & estrogenic herbs, was Re: Ginseng and  more

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 12:28:42 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:





Herbs do not need to contain estrogen to be problematic for women who

already have female problems.  Herbs that have "estrogenic activity" can 

be a significant cancer threat to people like me who have had cancer of

the female organs.  & I do not care if I get too much estrogen from an

outside source or if a substance is stimulating the production of estrogen

in my body.  The agitation & mood swings are independent of the source...



<sigh>



I have multiple sources, from herbalists & MDs to

substantiate the ill effects of herbs with estrogenic activity & my body

has been complaining to me for years about too much estrogen.  I noticed

the ill effects of estrogen years before I developed cancer when the MDs

put me on birth control for endometriosis...



AmberBarbara





On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Anita Hales wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:

> 

> At 04:13 PM 10/2/98 -0500, you wrote:

> >To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

> >On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 NEHrbSup@aol.com wrote:

> >> To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:

> >> 

> >> In a message dated 10/2/98 8:43:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> >> Kirsten.G.Downs@usdoj.gov writes:



> >PLEASE

> >

> >Be careful with ginseng (panax), dong qui & any other herbs with

> >estrogenic activity when you have female conditions like polyps & fibroids

> >& endometriosis.  I am a ovarian & uterine cancer survivor who is using

> >herbs to rebuild my immune system.  The medical literature is showing more

> >& more that estrogen can have detrimental effects with female problems

> >(especially when one gets too much estrogen, I think, or one's body has

> >trouble using the normal amount of estrogen).  My doctors support my use

> >of herbs (THANK YOU FOR PROGRESSIVE CAREGIVERS!!!) but they require me not

> >to take herbs with estrogenic activity.  Also, I can tell when I am

> >getting estrogen, it makes me anxious.

> >

> >I am going to change my sign off here as I have done in other forums to

> >AmberBarbara because to distinguish me from the other Ambers & Barbaras.

> >

> >Good luck to all the women facing female problems!

> >

> >AmberBarbara

> >

> >

> The herbs mentioned do not contain estrogen.  They may stimulate hormone

> production.  

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> "Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

> pinch them."

>  **Marvin the Martian**

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> 







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: female problems & estrogenic herbs, was Re: Ginseng and  more

From: Kerry Wooster <kerryw@hctc.net>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 14:42:31 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Kerry Wooster <kerryw@hctc.net>:



Barbara wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

> 

> Herbs do not need to contain estrogen to be problematic for women who

> already have female problems.  Herbs that have "estrogenic activity" can

> be a significant cancer threat to people like me who have had cancer of

> the female organs.  & I do not care if I get too much estrogen from an

> outside source or if a substance is stimulating the production of estrogen

> in my body.  The agitation & mood swings are independent of the source...

> 

> <sigh>

> 

> I have multiple sources, from herbalists & MDs to

> substantiate the ill effects of herbs with estrogenic activity & my body

> has been complaining to me for years about too much estrogen.  I noticed

> the ill effects of estrogen years before I developed cancer when the MDs

> put me on birth control for endometriosis...

> 

> AmberBarbara



<sigh> More doctors and sources.



After all, this is the information age. Our objective is to wade through

all of the sources and discern the truth. My truth is that I disbelieve

most sources and nearly all doctors. Choose your truth carefully, your

life depends on it.

Kerry

-- 



cya,



Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep

the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev. 14:12



A prudent man forseeth the evil, and hides himself:

but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 22:3







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: female problems & estrogenic herbs, was Re: Ginseng and  more

From: "Janelle Ann Brieske" <brieskej@pilot.msu.edu>

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 10:21:27 -0400 (EDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Janelle Ann Brieske" <brieskej@pilot.msu.edu>:



Herbs that are estrogenic are most likely beneficial, not detrimental, to women

with high estrogen levels. This is because plant estrogens, or phytoestrogens,

bind to the same estrogen receptor as the estrogen your body produces without

causing growth promoting effects. Basically, the phytoestrogens plug into the

estrogen receptor, preventing some of the growth-promoting estrogen from

binding. This is probably not true of estrogenic environmental contaminants such

as certain pesticides (o,p-DDT, endosulfan, chlordane), certain PCBs, and the

byproducts of some compounds used in beauty products and spermicides. Here's

part of the difference- humans evolved using these plant compounds, but not the

industrial chemicals.



Soy, which contains plant estrogens, is thought to be very beneficial in

preventing breast cancer.



Of course, herbs that promote production of estrogen in the body may be

harmful. I don't know which herbs are which- I'm just here as an observer to

learn about herbs.



-Janelle Brieske Hohm









>

> To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

>

>

> Herbs do not need to contain estrogen to be problematic for women who

> already have female problems.  Herbs that have "estrogenic activity" can

> be a significant cancer threat to people like me who have had cancer of

> the female organs.  & I do not care if I get too much estrogen from an

> outside source or if a substance is stimulating the production of estrogen

> in my body.  The agitation & mood swings are independent of the source...

>

> <sigh>

>

> I have multiple sources, from herbalists & MDs to

> substantiate the ill effects of herbs with estrogenic activity & my body

> has been complaining to me for years about too much estrogen.  I noticed

> the ill effects of estrogen years before I developed cancer when the MDs

> put me on birth control for endometriosis...

>

> AmberBarbara

>

>

> On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Anita Hales wrote:

>

> > To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:

> >

> > At 04:13 PM 10/2/98 -0500, you wrote:

> > >To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

> > >On Fri, 2 Oct 1998 NEHrbSup@aol.com wrote:

> > >> To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:

> > >>

> > >> In a message dated 10/2/98 8:43:53 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

> > >> Kirsten.G.Downs@usdoj.gov writes:

>

> > >PLEASE

> > >

> > >Be careful with ginseng (panax), dong qui & any other herbs with

> > >estrogenic activity when you have female conditions like polyps & fibroids

> > >& endometriosis.  I am a ovarian & uterine cancer survivor who is using

> > >herbs to rebuild my immune system.  The medical literature is showing more

> > >& more that estrogen can have detrimental effects with female problems

> > >(especially when one gets too much estrogen, I think, or one's body has

> > >trouble using the normal amount of estrogen).  My doctors support my use

> > >of herbs (THANK YOU FOR PROGRESSIVE CAREGIVERS!!!) but they require me not

> > >to take herbs with estrogenic activity.  Also, I can tell when I am

> > >getting estrogen, it makes me anxious.

> > >

> > >I am going to change my sign off here as I have done in other forums to

> > >AmberBarbara because to distinguish me from the other Ambers & Barbaras.

> > >

> > >Good luck to all the women facing female problems!

> > >

> > >AmberBarbara

> > >

> > >

> > The herbs mentioned do not contain estrogen.  They may stimulate hormone

> > production.

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > "Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

> > pinch them."

> >  **Marvin the Martian**

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> >

>

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Momordica again

From: Nadeem Ahmed Chandna <chandna@digicom.net.pk>

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 04:33:01 +0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Nadeem Ahmed Chandna <chandna@digicom.net.pk>:



Hi,



Again refering to my original question - what is the method of preparing

Momordica Charantia Extract - Of course it's not any 'cure' for diabetes

- rather a natural food helpful to maintain blood sugar level - and the

herb itself or its extract is found to be helpful for the patients.



So, anyone have any clue to extract Momordica Charantia ?



Chandna





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Momordica again

From: WooTy <gaijin@dim.com>

Date: Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:23:30 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from WooTy <gaijin@dim.com>:



on the same subject anyone hear about Lo-Quot leaves??



Nadeem Ahmed Chandna wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Nadeem Ahmed Chandna <chandna@digicom.net.pk>:

> 

> Hi,

> 

> Again refering to my original question - what is the method of preparing

> Momordica Charantia Extract - Of course it's not any 'cure' for diabetes

> - rather a natural food helpful to maintain blood sugar level - and the

> herb itself or its extract is found to be helpful for the patients.

> 

> So, anyone have any clue to extract Momordica Charantia ?

> 

> Chandna



-- 

*****************************************************************

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people what they Don't want to hear!  (by George Orwell)

*****************************************************************

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Momordica again

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:33:47 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



I use Loquat syrup from Chinatown for all my chest colds and those of my

kids, and have done do for over 20 years.  I only guess that this is the

same thing (or mine may be from the fruit?  I am not sure).

Joanie

-

>

>on the same subject anyone hear about Lo-Quot leaves??

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Cleaning seeds

From: nh-adapt@juno.com (Thomas Cagle)

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 19:42:24 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from nh-adapt@juno.com (Thomas Cagle):



Cleaning round (or nearly round) seeds like skullcap, St Johnswort,

pennyroyal are not all that hard, They are merely tedious prossess of

crumbling off the seed heads. mashing the seeds heads between my palms

and "rolling" the seed from the chaff, or screening the chaff off in the

case of skullcap.



What I am struggling with are other than round seeds like valerian.

Tweezer work, um, isn't my favorite. Suggestions?



Seed I have more-or-less ready to go to swop or give away. As the top of

the note implies, some are more cleaned than others.



Many seeds

Skullcap

Valerian



Some extra seeds

Asparagus

Japan maple

Penny royal

Violet



Few extra seeds

White ash

Crab apple

Mt Ash



Seeds I am looking for. California Poppy and Ma Huang. In particular

first hand growing experiences of same.



In respect to the high traffic on this list all requests will need to be

made off list. PLEASE. Henrietta will kick me off for sure if you all

don't honor this. Fun off list swopping and give away can now commence...



Tom

nh-adapt@juno.com



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Vodka

From: j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:35:15 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):



Preparing myself and my echinacea plant for our first tincturing. 

My question is Are all Vodkas created equal?  (I'm sure Smirnoff (NCI)

would have some commentary on this).  Does any one have a reccommend?



WITH GRATITUDE FOR ALL WHO OFFER THEIR KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM AND SUPPORT IN

THE PURSUIT OF WELLNESS - I THANK YOU!

	Jenny Iris



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Vodka

From: Gary Allord <gallord@CapAccess.org>

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 21:06:56 -0400 (EDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Gary Allord <gallord@CapAccess.org>:



A few  months ago, I met a Russian mollecular biologist who now works in 

Germany.  Part of the conversation was about vodka exported from the 

former Soviet Union, especially the Russian vodkas.  He strongly 

recommended stay away from them because quality control is very poor and 

most contain impurities which vary from batch to batch.



In this regard, not all vodkas are equal.











On Sat, 3 Oct 1998, Jennifer Kiliszewski wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):

> 

> Preparing myself and my echinacea plant for our first tincturing. 

> My question is Are all Vodkas created equal?  (I'm sure Smirnoff (NCI)

> would have some commentary on this).  Does any one have a reccommend?

> 

> WITH GRATITUDE FOR ALL WHO OFFER THEIR KNOWLEDGE, WISDOM AND SUPPORT IN

> THE PURSUIT OF WELLNESS - I THANK YOU!

> 	Jenny Iris

> 

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Vodka

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:44:01 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



I stopped at a NH State liquor store today to buy Vodka.  Smirnoff was on

sale for about $17, but the locally (NH) made brand cost about $11 (for 1.5

liters).  The clerk said there was little difference in the two....the price

difference was for the brand name.  Quality control issues?

Well....I'd only be guessing here.  I got the locally made stuff.  The

choice was limited for 50 proof stuff, though...most is 40 proof.

Joanie



>My question is Are all Vodkas created equal?  (I'm sure Smirnoff (NCI)

>would have some commentary on this).  Does any one have a reccommend?









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Psyllium husk

From: j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 20:37:24 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):



Does anyone have experience  with using  psyllium husk in treatment of

irritable bowel syndrome?  Coarse or fine?    Thanks    Jenny Iris



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Subject: Re:Psyllium husk

From: "Claudia Meydrech, CN" <meydrech@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:10:04 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia Meydrech, CN" <meydrech@bellatlantic.net>:



Re using psyllium husk in treatment of irritable bowel

syndrome, i would suggest using the psyllium without

the husk if bowels are very irritated, the husks may aggravate

the condition more.  slippery elm, acidophilus and aloe vera

juice are also very helpful.  don't eat raw vegies and fruit,

but steamed - all this for some time while colon heals

and calms down, then you may be able to add in more raw

foods, and use psyllium with husks.



Claudia Meydrech, LCN

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Advice, was Stevia care (was Momordica)

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 22:16:32 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Belinda-



Better to reply on list.  I've found several of your posts very

informative and worth archiving.  Animal data frequently provides

important clues for treating humans even if the differing physiologies

don't make direct extrapolation possible.  By keeping the advice on list,

there is a better chance that other people who have more experience with

a condition will insight, correction or a context within which to

evaluate suggestions.  It also keeps helps when one posts a late night

blooper, after too much email and not enough sleep. 



I for instance do not have the same understanding of diabetes that I have

of cancer and until I "grock" diabetes -more deeply comprehend the

connection between the various endocrine glands, blood sugar and

fluctuations, and the results of pancreatic damage-, I have little to say

about the disease.  I do have a sense of how diet affects things and can

say some intelligent things about bilberry and other sources of

flavanoids for capillary damage, but there is something in the totality

of the disease that still escapes me.  Other people have better

experience in that realm.  



It is worth stating what research says, but if you have a sense of

different constitutional types you may realize that one named disease

does not manifest itself the same way in all people and will not always

have the same types of treatment.  Antibiotics are too cooling for many

"deficient" people (in TCM terms) and will drive the underlying condition

that manifested itself in a bacterial infection deeper, while a more

robust person might be able to throw off the effects with a course of

probiotics afterwards.  Ginseng may be appropriate for an elderly

weakened man than a younger man weakened by stress.  Herpes may be better

controlled by stress-management in some people and by the herb, melissa,

in others.  Some migraines are helped by feverfew and others are worsened

by feverfew, depending upon the energetics of the person and their

migraines.  (Do guinea pigs have constitutional types too?  I'd be

interested in knowing if there is some equivalent of kapha or pitta

guinea pigs.)



I try to save both research and clinical outcomes in my files, but I

depend more upon the clinical experience of practicioners and patients

since research design often simplifies conditions far beyond what exists

in real life.  



As for a disclaimer, it helps provide both legal and educational

protection.  I know of NDs who have been cited by their professional

boards for giving advice by email without seeing a patient, and in our

litigation-prone society this can happen to others.  And beginners often

think that they can take "x herb for y condition" without considering the

totality of the symptoms, so it reminds them that email is no substitute

for diagnosis and care.   



But keep your comments coming when you have something to offer.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Email comments are educational, not diagnostic- seek appropriate medical

care.

" A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely

rearranging their prejudices. "  William James



On Sat, 03 Oct 1998 18:26:06 +0100 Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

writes:



>

>I hope my reply to Henriette covers most of the issues. 

> 

>In future I will simply write off list to such enquiries and prefix 

>all

>general replies with "I am a freeelance researcher and have read that

>the following may be of help.........  If this of interest I recommend

>you discuss the use of these herbs/nutrients with a qualified

>herbalist/nutritionist working in conjunction with your medical

>practitioner...." I hope you feel this will suffice?

>

...

>Sorry I seem to have caused so much havoc so soon after joining the

>list.  I promise to think harder before posting in future.  Please 

>don't

>strike me off as this list is a great source of information.

>

>Yours humbly,

>

>Belinda.

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: guggulu & Ayurvedic herbs

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:20:03 -0400

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In response to "wadada" <woodpecker@italway.it>:



I can't understand the message very well, but is there a botanical name for

guggulu?  One peeve I have regarding Ayurvedic herb sellers is lack of English

or Latin names.  One is unlikely to find Ayurvedic names in an English-language

dictionary or herb or botanical reference.  



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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Subject: Re: guggulu & Ayurvedic herbs

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Sun, 04 Oct 1998 12:35:28 +0100

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tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:

> 

> In response to "wadada" <woodpecker@italway.it>:

> 

> I can't understand the message very well, but is there a botanical name for

> guggulu?  One peeve I have regarding Ayurvedic herb sellers is lack of English

> or Latin names.  One is unlikely to find Ayurvedic names in an English-language

> dictionary or herb or botanical reference.

> 

> Thomas Mueller

> tmueller@bluegrass.net



Source: Phytotherapy - The Power of Plants  

	Publisher Herbal Health Publishers

	420 Brighton Road, South Croydon, Surrey CR2 6AN

	Free pamphlet to support the sale of products from:

	Arkopharma Laboratories in France

	Arkopharma Inc is the US subsidiary



Gugulon - Commiphora mukul



Gugulon is a small tree with thorny branches which grows in the arid

climate of some areas of India, pakistan and Banladesh.  Its resin has

often been related to the biblical myrrh.  It is still used in

traditional Indian medicine as a blood lipid lowering remedy and for the

treatment of obesity.  The benefit of gulgulon is in its resinous

exudate which is extracted from the bark by tapping the tree just as a

rubber tree.  It is then dried and cut into pieces.  The biological

activity of gugulon is linked to the guggulipids which make up the

resinous exudate.  These guggulipids have a blood lowering action : they

help decrease the level of cholesterol and triglycerides within the

blood counterbalancing the ratio HDL/LDL for the benefit of the good

cholesterol (HDL).  Gugulon can be used as an adjuvent for the treament

of excessive cholesterol and triglycerides and as a preventative

treatment for population at risk.



Source: http://www.lhsusa.com/AyurvedicHerbs.html (Commercial site)

Guggala (Yogaraja), resin

Commiphora mukul

Historical Use: Circulatory system tonic and blood purifier.  Used to

treat inflammation of glands.  Laxative, anti-inflammatory.

NOTE: Extreme caution if kidney infection present or if acute rash

present.





Not to be confused with Indian Frankincense - Boswellia serrata









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: guggulu & Ayurvedic herbs

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 18:02:14 -0400

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The name of guggul is Commiphora mukul, aka Balsamodendron Mukul. The

plant is closely related to myrrh and is mentioned under that name in

Mrs. Grieve's herbal.   Michael Tierra's book _ Planetary Herbology_ has

a good listing of auyrvedic herbs.  Their nomenclature is where Chinese

herbs were a decade or two ago.



Karen Vaughan

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>>I can't understand the message very well, but is there a botanical name

for

>>guggulu?  One peeve I have regarding Ayurvedic herb sellers is lack of

English

>>or Latin names.  One is unlikely to find Ayurvedic names in an

English-language

>>dictionary or herb or botanical reference.

>>

>>Thomas Mueller

>>tmueller@bluegrass.net

>>

>>

>

>



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Subject: Loquat

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Sat, 3 Oct 1998 23:34:50 -0400

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Well I usually take the train to Boston and walk to Chinatown from there :<)

Sometimes, a local Natural Food Store will have it...but not often, and no

one ever seems to know a carrying distributor (they may get theirs in

Chinatown, too).  Locally, it costs several times as much money..  Sorry I

cannot be of more help..

Joanie



>can anyone give me a source?

>

>> I use Loquat syrup from Chinatown for all my chest colds and those of my

>> kids, and have done do for over 20 years.  I only guess that this is the

>> same thing (or mine may be from the fruit?  I am not sure).





>> >on the same subject anyone hear about Lo-Quot leaves??









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Urinary tract

From: "jfoster" <jfoster@ebicom.net>

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 01:58:03 -0500

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Took my father to have a urinalysis done on him with some blood work. Found

some bacteria in his urine. He said at the time he was having no symptoms of

a infection. No burning or any of the other symptoms. I started him on a

tincture that contained some Uva-ursi, Echinecea, dandelion leaf, Yarrow,

and a small amount of tumeric. These tinctures are what I had on hand. I was

out of Marshmallow and have ordered usnea and marshmallow but have not come

in yet. Also ordered Michael Moores book on the Urinary tract but have not

received it yet either. Anyway, He took this tincture fine for about the

first week and then he started burning. The culture they grew of off the

analysis said it was some type of skin bacteria. After we got the results

that said basically do not worry about it, because it is just some skin

bacteria, that is when he started having irritation in the tract. I took him

back and had another analysis done but that culture has not grown off yet.

He also says after he takes this tincture he seems to burn a little about 30

after he takes it. Does anyone see anything in this recipe that would cause

a irritation. I have looked over the herbs and have not run across anything

that would make me think it would irritate him. I guess I will cut out the

uva-ursi and see what kind of reaction that gives.  Thanks  john

jfoster@ebicom.net







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Urinary tract

From: "murphy" <murph@capital.net>

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 05:51:41 -0400

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Hi John,

Do you think the burnig may be a response to your tincture?

Growth of skin contaminants, is VERY common, especially

in the elderly, who may not follow the proper procedure for

a "clean-catch" collection.  Did his urine analysis microscopic exam

( usually performed prior to culture), show any white cells?

Where there any  epithelial cells present?

These are some of the factors one must consider,

prior to diagnosing UTI.

murph-

~Microbiologist do it with culture and sensitivity~





-----Original Message-----

From: jfoster <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Sunday, October 04, 1998 2:56 AM

Subject: Urinary tract





>To herb@MyList.net from "jfoster" <jfoster@ebicom.net>:

>

>Took my father to have a urinalysis done on him with some blood work. Found

>some bacteria in his urine. He said at the time he was having no symptoms

of

>a infection. No burning or any of the other symptoms. I started him on a

>tincture that contained some Uva-ursi, Echinecea, dandelion leaf, Yarrow,

>and a small amount of tumeric. These tinctures are what I had on hand. I

was

>out of Marshmallow and have ordered usnea and marshmallow but have not come

>in yet. Also ordered Michael Moores book on the Urinary tract but have not

>received it yet either. Anyway, He took this tincture fine for about the

>first week and then he started burning. The culture they grew of off the

>analysis said it was some type of skin bacteria. After we got the results

>that said basically do not worry about it, because it is just some skin

>bacteria, that is when he started having irritation in the tract. I took

him

>back and had another analysis done but that culture has not grown off yet.

>He also says after he takes this tincture he seems to burn a little about

30

>after he takes it. Does anyone see anything in this recipe that would cause

>a irritation. I have looked over the herbs and have not run across anything

>that would make me think it would irritate him. I guess I will cut out the

>uva-ursi and see what kind of reaction that gives.  Thanks  john

>jfoster@ebicom.net

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Dandelion root and leaves

From: SueQ42@aol.com

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 03:02:52 EDT

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Hi,

     My name is Sue, I live in So. Ca.  I'm very interested in learning about

Herbs and have starting reading about them.  I'm enjoying this list very much.

I have lots of dandelions growing in my yard, wondered when is the right time

to collect the roots and leaves.  Thank you very much.



              Sue



SueQ42@aol.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Fibroids

From: DOLORESDEW@aol.com

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 11:07:38 EDT

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In a message dated 10/3/98 8:33:45 PM Pacific Daylight Time, RASA@prodigy.net

writes:



<< A friend of mine had fibroid tumors in her uterus and was advised to use

 shepherds purse by an herbalist.  She had good results.  If you need more

 information I can check my papers.

 Saundra >>

 what is "shepherds purse" and how do i use it?

thanks

doloresdew@aol.com





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Fibroids

From: "ROBERT A ADAMIAK" <RASA@prodigy.net>

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 22:36:53 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "ROBERT A ADAMIAK" <RASA@prodigy.net>:





> what is "shepherds purse" and how do i use it?

>thanks

>doloresdew@aol.com



>From "Herbs of the Earth" by Mary Carse M.N.I.M.H.:

Shepherd's Purse (Capsella bursa-pastoris) Mustard family (Cruciferae).

rosette of the toothed leaves at base; flower spike with tiny white

4-petalled flowers.  Seeds in a heart-shaped capsule like an old-time coin

purse.  Properties:  stimulant, astringent, anti-haemorrhagic,

anti-scurbotic.  Uses:  this plant is specific for uterine tumors, fibroid

tumors.  In innumerable cases, persistent taking of Shepherd's Purse

resulted in the tumors disappearing completely.  Also used for renal

catarrh, scalding urine, eneursis and for uterine haemorrhaging.

Preparations:  concentrated decoction of 1 oz. leaves or of whole plant to

12 oz. water.  Boil down to 1/2 pint (i.e. reduce by 1/3).  Dose:  1 wine

glassful 3x daily.  This agent has a rather unpleasant taste, which is

sometimes masked by adding it to ginger syrup.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Shepherd's purse, was Fibroids

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 4 Oct 1998 21:35:07 -0400

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>To herb@MyList.net from DOLORESDEW@aol.com:

 

> what is "shepherds purse" and how do i use it?



 Shepherd's purse ( Capsella bursa-pastoris) is a small weed with heart

shaped seed pods which is used as a uterine astringent for excessive

bleeding and  post-partum hemmorage. It has high concentrations of

tannin, tyramine, oxytoxin and flavanoids.   Shepherds purse, alone or

with yarrow, is also a good first aid herb for cuts, deep wounds and

nosebleeds.  Herbalist and doctor Tierona Low Dog says the  tincture will

not last more  than 6 months, although listmember and midwife Miriam

Kresh says that she has successfully used a tincture made of the Israeli

species as much as 2 years old .  If it isn't dated, DON'T buy it unless

you know  for a fact when it was made and that it was made from fresh and

not dried herb.  You can make it yourself easily from the common weed and

keep a fresh supply around. It can be used fresh, but not dry (although

herb dried less than a month has some value).  



The dose for excessive bleeding is 30 drops of the tincture 3x daily for

48 hours before the period is expected, then continuing throughout

menstruation.  It takes a couple months to see results.  It is given

acutely after birth in more concentrated doses.  It is a member of the

Cruciferae family and adds a peppery taste to salads.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: shilajit

From: "wadada" <woodpecker@italway.it>

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 11:29:03 +0200

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I make notice shilajit, a rock transudate, very used in Ayurveda as a

general tonic especially for women genital system.







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Subject: fennel

From: Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@uscom.com>

Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 09:54:35 -0400

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Can someone tell me how to harvest fennel? Also, how do you tell when

it's ready? Thanks

Jodi





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: fennel

From: "Wendy Vardy" <wvardy@bconnex.net>

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 17:09:41 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Wendy Vardy" <wvardy@bconnex.net>:



>Can someone tell me how to harvest fennel? Also, how do you tell when

>it's ready? Thanks

>Jodi

>

Hi Jodi



I've noticed you haven't had a reply (at least on the list) to this

question.  I am interested as well.  I have had a couple of the seed heads

(?) turn brown and have clipped them off and separated the seeds.  I still

have a lot of green seeds and even some blossoms.

I don't know if these can be brought indoors to dry or not.  I would like to

know though, I'm in Central Ontario and we had frost out there this

morning.......



I am also interested in how this fennel weathers the winter?  Do I clip it

back to the ground and hope for the best or leave it and clip it in spring?



Any ideas?



TIA

Wendy

wvardy@bconnex.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: fennel

From: Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@MEDIA.EDU.HEL.FI>

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:38:25 +0300

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To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:



Jodi von Hagen wrote:

> 

> Can someone tell me how to harvest fennel? Also, how do you tell when

> it's ready? Thanks



Fennel - Foeniculum vulgare



If you're going for seeds, you have to be careful and be in time,

because when they're ripe they fall very easily to the ground with the

wind. The seeds are very light. That's one sign of when they're ready to

be harvested. Another is that the seeds turn brown.

   I take a suitable sized bowl, bend the stem so that the seeds are in

the bowl, and shake - maybe squeeze gently - so that the seeds fall to

the bowl. This method is nice and easy at least for small-scale

harvesting.

   If you're going for the herb, I think it would be better to harvest

before the plant starts blooming. This applies to many other herbs too,

because after that, the plant uses most of it's energy for the flower

and for producing seeds and not producing leaves.



-- 

Miikkali Leppihalme - mii@media.edu.hel.fi



"After silence, that which comes nearest 

to expressing the inexpressible is music." 

- Aldous Huxley (1894 - 1963)





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: fennel

From: Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@netusa1.net>

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 19:00:13 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Michael Mahoney <mmahoney@netusa1.net>:



Jodi von Hagen wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@uscom.com>:

> 

> Can someone tell me how to harvest fennel? Also, how do you tell when

> it's ready? Thanks

> Jodi

Hi Jodi,

I just harvested all my fennel. I just grabbed the little things and

pulled them off the stems. Some required a little more cleaning where

the stems stayed on. They're ready when they turn brown and look dry.

Mike





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: fennel

From: Bskoczy@aol.com

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:38:43 EDT

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 what are the health benefits of fennel? tia-bern





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Post-Delivery Herbs

From: MaidenFate@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 10:00:48 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from MaidenFate@aol.com:



I've read in several historical novels about a draught given to women after

they delivery babies. It's usually a mixture of herbs in wine. Anyone know

what kind of herbs old midwives would use?



Pamela Wilfinger

Editor, Inscriptions

MaidenFate@aol.com

http://come.to/Inscriptions

"An archaeologist is the best husband a woman can have because the older she

gets the more interested he becomes." --Agatha Christie





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Post-Delivery Herbs

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@NETVISION.NET.IL>

Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:22:16 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:







MaidenFate@aol.com wrote:



> I've read in several historical novels about a draught given to women after

> they delivery babies. It's usually a mixture of herbs in wine. Anyone know

> what kind of herbs old midwives would use?



Pamela, just venturing a few logical guesses (speaking not as an old midwife but

as a middle-aged labor coach):



Raspberry leaves: to tonify the uterus; help it to contract after birth

Nettles: to prevent anemia and make breast milk

Catnip: for afterbirth pains

Shepherd's Purse: to control excess postpartum bleeding

Any one of a number of seeds specifically as galactogogues: fennel, anise,

cumin, coriander. Also, barley.

The wine would be stimulating and comforting, especially if sweet.



As a note of interest, in some parts of Latin America, they make a "sopa de

parida"; or soup for the newly-delivered mother: mostly a hearty chicken soup

with plenty of vegetables.



An old-fashioned midwife would ideally stay with the mother for a good while

after the birth,  not only supervising  her recovery but functioning as an

active part of her support system by helping to organize the running of the

household. An interesting book touching on these subjects, including the use of

herbs, is "The Diary of a Midwife", by Martha Ballard, a midwife delivering

babies at around the time of the American Revolution.



Miriam Kresh







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Databases of herbal medical research

From: "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 14:47:19 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>:



My first posting to this list - but I have been a silent participator 

for a few days. What a wealth of information you all are....



I work as a researcher for a health board in Scotland producing 

health/economic evaluation data on everything from Viagra to Valium  - 

not valerian as yet, but I'm hoping to help change attitudes to the 

provision of complementary medicine within the NHS ;-)



I'm sure that I remember there is an online database of herbal clinical 

trials but my bookmarks disappeared recently and I can't remember the 

URL. Can anyone help (offlist if you wish)?



many thanks









Linda Semple

Research Assistant

Department of Public Health

148 Pleasance

Edinburgh

Scotland

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To: herb@MyList.net, HERBALS@Daddysroses.com

Subject: Cheesy Feet

From: Shucky <Nelsie@Netcom.ca>

Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 11:50:25 -0400

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Soak the feet in a footbath made with sea salts, lavender oil, and

peppermint oil, about 1/4 t. each to 2 kg. of salts, then use 1/4 c. in the

footbath. 



After the 20-minute soak, rinse the feet with an herbal vinegar rinse,

about 2 T. to a pint of warm water, to which which 3 drops tea tree oil has

been added. Repeat daily as necessary



Dry and powder with a mix of cornstarch and baking soda, then have him wear

white cotton socks. Some foot odour is caused or exacerbated by nylon and

the dyes used.



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To: "'Herb List'" <herb@MyList.net> (Receipt Notification Requested) (IPM Return Requested)

Subject: Thanks for all of the information

From: Downs Kirsten G <Kirsten.G.Downs@usdoj.gov>

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 14:13:56 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Downs Kirsten G <Kirsten.G.Downs@usdoj.gov>:



Thanks you for the information on fibroids.  I must admit that I have read quite a few studies on the overproduction of estrogen and how to deal with it naturally.  At one point I drank soy everyday and took Vitex and Donq Quai, but I didn't see any results.   Changing my diet to vegan (most of the time) did produce results for a time.  I will try the Shepherd's Purse.



Thanks again,

Kirsten













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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: irritable bowel sydrome

From: j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 18:24:36 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):



Greetings -

	I posted a question that went unanswered a few days ago, so I

will rephrase it.

	I'd like to hear some discussion of herbs, diet etc. that people

have used to successfully manage irritable bowel syndrome.



			thanks so much,     Jenny Iris



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: irritable bowel sydrome

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:40:26 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:



In my case, my Irritable Bowel Syndrome was really Candidiasis in disguise.

Candidiasis is an overgrowth of the normal yeast found in the intestinal

track. By taking anitfungal herbs a such as Pau d' Arco, eating garlic &

taking probiotics, my system has calmed a little. I have a more severe case

of the illness as I also have it systemically. You may alos benefit from

digestive enzymes & changing your diet is an absolute.

Maureen







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: irritable bowel sydrome

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 08:56:35 +0100

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To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



Jennifer Kiliszewski wrote:

> 

> 

>         I'd like to hear some discussion of herbs, diet etc. that people

> have used to successfully manage irritable bowel syndrome.

> 

>                             Jenny Iris

> 

> ___________________________________________________________________

>I did see your request but thought I'd better be a little careful here because I've gotten into trouble already after only being on the list a week or so...!



I have heard tell of success being obtained with a combination of aloe

vera juice and the amino acid L-Glutamine.  This has been known to

'work' for people that did not benefit from aloe vera alone.



I suggest, if you are interested, you purchase a book ($9.95) called The

Ultimate Nutrient Glutamine* by Judy Shabert, MD, RD and Nancy Ehrlich. 

The publisher is Avery Publishing Group, Garden City Park , New York and

the ISBN number is 0-89529-588-1



You should also then check out the information independently by cross

referencing other sources of information on L-Glutamine.*



Information on Aloe Vera seems to be widely available and, again, read

widely and always purchase from a reputable source as quality does vary. 

The aloe vera that was used by the people I am referring to, Aloe Gold,

came from an English company, Higher Nature, and contains 16,000 -

18,000 MPS per litre.  MPS stands for mucopolysaccharides.



*There is information at the back of the book on restrictions and contra

indications.  The book also contains clinical references so your doctor

can check them out.  I suggest you read the whole book before deciding

if this is the right thing for you and pass it on to your doctor or

nutritionist before making a final decision.



In general, reduce stress in your life by learning to relax.  Self

hypnosis, yoga, autogenic training, relaxation subliminal tapes etc.



Make sure your diet is not deficient in vitamins B complex or C,

magnesium or calcium as these deficiencies reduce the bodies ability to

combat stress.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: The real me

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@NETVISION.NET.IL>

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 01:26:19 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:







creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:



(with regard to shepherd's purse)



>  ... listmember and midwife Miriam

> Kresh says that she has successfully used a tincture made of the Israeli

> species as much as 2 years old .



Just a quick clarification: I am not a midwife, but a childbirth educator and

doulah, or (formerly) a labor coach. My role is to educate the pregnant woman

and support her with many methods during labor, delivery and postpartum. I

use herbs and to a lesser degree, essential oils, to promote the well-being

of mother and child, but most doulahs have not trained in their uses. I was

fortunate to train under a midwife who is also an herbologist and

practicioner of chinese medicine.



Miriam Kresh

miriam_k@netvision.net.il







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Adolesent Arthritis

From: Hideen@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 22:33:33 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Hideen@aol.com:



Hello,

     About a month ago my 15 yr. old niece suddenly was struck with

Adolescent Rheumatoid Arthritis.  She hasn't been able to walk or even sit up

for very long since.  It is mostly in her lower back, hips, and legs.  Any

suggestions on any herbs that will help relieve her pain will be appreciated.

Also tips on how to administer them such as ointment, oils, tinctures, teas,

etc.

                                                                              

Thanks,

                                                                              

Adrianne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Adolesent Arthritis

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 09:16:51 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



my 15 yr. old niece suddenly was struck with> Adolescent Rheumatoid

Arthritis.  

> 

> Adrianne



For some reason, oral ingestion of Citricidal grapefruit seed extract

capsules together, sometimes, with Eden olive af extract, seems to help

adults with rheumatoid arthritis.  Whether this would help your niece

I'm not sure as there are many different kinds of arthritis.



You will, of course, have to work with her doctor/nutritionist if you

want to try this as there may be interactions with any medication she

may be taking or she may have been advised to avoid citrus fruits.



Both these botanical extracts have been used by herbalists and

nutritionists in the battle against candida so there may be a connection

between fungal/yeast infections and rheumatoid arthritis.  Or rather I

should say, certain forms of it.  They both have antibacterial

properties as well.



A Spanish company has produced a pain killing herbal formula for joint

disorders, designed by qualified doctors, which I can tell you about off

list. (Commercial interest/involvement).  It may, however, not be

suitable for your niece's particular condition.









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To: List Medicinal & Aromatic Plants Discussion <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re:Urinary Tract

From: "Claudia Meydrech, CN" <meydrech@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 23:21:05 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia Meydrech, CN" <meydrech@bellatlantic.net>:



A little precious golden seal, or some oregon grape

may help your combination,  IMHO, I don't see anything that

addresses the infection as well as these do on the list

of herbs you are giving, though they are all good herbs.

I have found I haven't had to use the golden seal long

at all, and can then continue with the other herbs until things

are completely cleared up.



Claudia Meydrech, LCN

"A cheerful heart is good medicine.." Prov. 17:22a



http://members.tripod.com/~nutritionist/ ~ Herb & Nutrition Services

http://members.tripod.com/~drinkforhealth/ ~ AIM

AOL IM Username:clmeydrech ~  mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

Reach me through my ICQ Personal Communication Center:

http://wwp.mirabilis.com/6619598    ICQ# 6619598









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Re:Urinary Tract

From: "jfoster" <jfoster@ebicom.net>

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:53:43 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "jfoster" <jfoster@ebicom.net>:



Thanks for the info. It seems we have the infection gone at the present. Did

not think about Goldenseal but did use a little Barberry in the tincuture.

Made a mistake though. I used the Uva-ursi which I do show anti-microbial,

it is high in tannins though. Gave it to long and had to deal with a severe

case of constipation.Should have used pippsewa so the tannin content would

have not given me the problem of constipation. Got caught with my britches

down though and did not have any pippsewa but had the uva-ursi. Countered

the constipation with some sesame seed oil  at night and a few capsules with

some Turkey Rhuburb, aloe, ginger, fennel seed. Seem everything is going on

tract now. Thanks for all the advice and help everyone.   John

jfoster@ebicom.net

-----Original Message-----

From: Claudia Meydrech, CN <meydrech@bellatlantic.net>

To: List Medicinal & Aromatic Plants Discussion <herb@MyList.net>

Cc: jfoster@EBICOM.NET <jfoster@EBICOM.NET>

Date: Tuesday, October 06, 1998 12:17 AM

Subject: Re:Urinary Tract





>To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia Meydrech, CN" <meydrech@bellatlantic.net>:

>

>A little precious golden seal, or some oregon grape

>may help your combination,  IMHO, I don't see anything that

>addresses the infection as well as these do on the list

>of herbs you are giving, though they are all good herbs.

>I have found I haven't had to use the golden seal long

>at all, and can then continue with the other herbs until things

>are completely cleared up.

>

>Claudia Meydrech, LCN

>"A cheerful heart is good medicine.." Prov. 17:22a

>

>http://members.tripod.com/~nutritionist/ ~ Herb & Nutrition Services

>http://members.tripod.com/~drinkforhealth/ ~ AIM

>AOL IM Username:clmeydrech ~  mailto:meydrech@bellatlantic.net

>Reach me through my ICQ Personal Communication Center:

>http://wwp.mirabilis.com/6619598    ICQ# 6619598

>

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbal Books, Magazines, ect?

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:53:45 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/5/98 11:42:48 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

rotty4me@tdstelme.net writes:



<< Can any & everyone please suggest a few magazines or books or even good web

 sites that have info on herbs & their uses?

 Thank you,

 Maureen

  >>



I ADD:



Well there are some that are my favorites:  (all preceded by http://)



Michael Moore  chili.rt66.com/hrbmoore/HOMEPAGE/HomePage.html

Penn State       hortweb.cas.psu.edu/vegcrops/herbs.html

Ref guide for herbs    www.realtime.net/anr/herbs.html

Chris Hobbs      www.herbalism.com

Howie Brounstein www.teleport.com/~howie/howie.html (this may be an old one)

Agricultural research  www.ars-grin.gov/~ngrlsb (again thismay be an old one)

Alternative medicine   www.alternative-medicines.com (go into the search

engine and type

                                                                              

in the name of the herb)

Botanicals         www.botanical.com

and of course Henriette's site with is chock full of really good stuff.



Hope this helps -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.







 





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Herbal Books, Magazines, ect?

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 23:42:41 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:



Can any & everyone please suggest a few magazines or books or even good web

sites that have info on herbs & their uses?

Thank you,

Maureen





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbal Books, Magazines, ect?

From: Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>

Date: Mon, 05 Oct 1998 21:33:56 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Irene Mazer <irm@cwix.com>:



Herbs for Health is a very interesting magazine. Reach them at

www.interweave.com (NCI)



Maureen Hicks wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:

> 

> Can any & everyone please suggest a few magazines or books or even good web

> sites that have info on herbs & their uses?

> Thank you,

> Maureen

> 

> ~

> MoJim Rottweilers

> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2855

> E-Mail: Rotty4Me@tdstelme.net

> ICQ# 4074962

> AOL IM: CoolRotty



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbal Books, Magazines, ect?

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:53:37 -0400 (EDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



At 11:42 PM 10/5/98 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:

>

>Can any & everyone please suggest a few magazines or books or even good web

>sites that have info on herbs & their uses?

>Thank you,

>Maureen



I think this is an excellent resource magazine:Herbs for Health;

1-800-456-6018 ($24/yr)...and...



These URLs are great---this first one not only knowledgeable, but is a hoot

to read:



http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/



This URL very scientifically erudite (!!!):



http://www.herbs.org/~

>MoJim Rottweilers

>http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2855

>E-Mail: Rotty4Me@tdstelme.net

>ICQ# 4074962

>AOL IM: CoolRotty

>

Have a goooood day!!!



Pat









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Filtering tinctures

From: "Juli Kight" <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us>

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 04:26:55 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Juli Kight" <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us>:



I just made my first tincture of valerian.  I have noticed bits and

particles of whatever floating around, what about filtering it?  Does

filtering remove any constituents?  I have filters ranging from cheap

kitchen screen filters to very fine lab grade which goes into a filter

syring. Thanks for your advise!

Juli

Herbs For Health Guide http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Filtering tinctures

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 11:52:11 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/6/98 5:30:16 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us writes:



<< I just made my first tincture of valerian.  I have noticed bits and

 particles of whatever floating around, what about filtering it?  Does

 filtering remove any constituents?  I have filters ranging from cheap

 kitchen screen filters to very fine lab grade which goes into a filter

 syring. Thanks for your advise!

 Juli

 Herbs For Health Guide http://herbsforhealth.miningco.c >>





I ADD:



Yes I do filter or decant my tinctures.  I use a good kitchen grade sieve,

lined with new cheesecloth or muslin.  Each time I decant (or filter) I use

new cloth.  At the end I have my partner's husband (who is a really big guy)

squeeze the remaining tincture out of the ball of herbs that are left.  You

might say he's our own personal tincture press, ohly problam is we have to

feed him every once in awhile!



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE:  Filtering Tinctures

From: Corey Brand <cbrand@services.state.mo.us>

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 07:17:18 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Corey Brand <cbrand@services.state.mo.us>:



Juli,



The alcohol in the tincture will probably preserve any "floaties", so I

don't think the ticture will go bad, but I prefer to filter mine.  A pass

through a coffee filter or two should do the trick.



-Corey



-----Original Message-----

I just made my first tincture of valerian.  I have noticed bits and

particles of whatever floating around, what about filtering it?  Does

filtering remove any constituents?  I have filters ranging from cheap

kitchen screen filters to very fine lab grade which goes into a filter

syring. Thanks for your advise!

Juli







==========

To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: RE:  Filtering Tinctures

From: Gilbert Arnold <arnoldg@EM.AGR.CA>

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 14:24:05 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Gilbert Arnold <arnoldg@EM.AGR.CA>:



Filtering through the top part of a pop bottle with a bit of clean cheesecloth stuffed in the neck works well too.



Gilbert



>>> Corey Brand <cbrand@services.state.mo.us> 10/06 8:17 AM >>>

To herb@MyList.net from Corey Brand <cbrand@services.state.mo.us>:



Juli,



The alcohol in the tincture will probably preserve any "floaties", so I

don't think the ticture will go bad, but I prefer to filter mine.  A pass

through a coffee filter or two should do the trick.



-Corey



-----Original Message-----

I just made my first tincture of valerian.  I have noticed bits and

particles of whatever floating around, what about filtering it?  Does

filtering remove any constituents?  I have filters ranging from cheap

kitchen screen filters to very fine lab grade which goes into a filter

syring. Thanks for your advise!

Juli



                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                               !

!

!

!

                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                        





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Tinctures

From: Nadeem Ahmed Chandna <chandna@digicom.net.pk>

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 17:41:34 +0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Nadeem Ahmed Chandna <chandna@digicom.net.pk>:



Hi,



Can anyone please guide me on something (or some books or sites, etc.)

on making and testing herbal extract - by testing i mean laboratory

analysis of the contents of extract for different ingredients. 



Thanks





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: What are these?

From: Cheryl <whitecloud@snowcrest.net>

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 06:28:16 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Cheryl <whitecloud@snowcrest.net>:



I recently purchased some herb tea and I am not familiar with these

herbs. Can anyone please tell me just what each of these herbs do?



Crataegus pinnatifida

Prunella Vulgaries Poria

Cocos Wolff

Mint

Fructus Hordei Gorminatus

Pogostemon Cablin

Phaseolus Angulais

Cassia Tora

Rhizoma Alismatis

Raphanus Sativus



Thanks,



C

--

 When you were born,

   you cried and the world rejoiced.

 Live your life in such a manner that

   when you die

 The world cries and you rejoice









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Juvenile Rhumetiod Arthritis

From: Hideen@aol.com

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 10:19:59 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Hideen@aol.com:



Hello,

      In my last posting I told you about my niece having juvenile arthritis.

I have learned since that the DR has prescribed her an anti-flammitory, and

some type of steroid.  The anti-inflammitory dopes her up pretty good, and she

doesn't like the feeling.  Can anyone suggest an alternative that she could

ask the DR  about.

                                                                              

Thanks,

                                                                              

Adrianne





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To: Hideen@aol.com

Subject: Re: Juvenile Rhumetiod Arthritis

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 13:27:26 -0500 (CDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:



Hi Adrianne,



Recently I have read about an herbal remedy for rheumatoid arthritis.  The

remedy caught my attention because a friend of mine has severe rhumetoid

arthritis.  I remembered it so I could tell her about the herb, but I have

no personal experience using most of the herbs listed below.



This info is taked from Spontaneous Healing by Andrew Weil MD.  He is a

modern holistic dr.



On pg. 227 he recommends "an antioxidant formula...and an herbal remedy,

feverfew (Tanacetum parthenium), which is nontoxic and known to alleviate

rheumatoid arthritis."



Also, the Book Herbal Tonic Therapies by Daniel Mowry Ph.D. gives many

recommendations for treating arthritis & annti-inflammatory herbs,

including astralagus, black cohosh, butcher's broom, chamomile, devil's

claw, don quai, gentian, horsetail, lapacho, licorice, pygeum, Siberian

ginseng, wild yam, & yarrow.



For arthritis Dr. Mowry recommends alfalfa, devil's claw, lapacho,

licorice, wild yam, and yarrow.



Dr. Mowrey also classifies arthritis under the overactive immune system

category.



I know I can find more references for ways to treat arthritis but

Wow, what an overwhelming bunch.  I would start by testing only one at a

time...



Good Luck to your niece,



AmberBarbara





On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 Hideen@aol.com wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from Hideen@aol.com:

> 

> Hello,

>       In my last posting I told you about my niece having juvenile arthritis.

> I have learned since that the DR has prescribed her an anti-flammitory, and

> some type of steroid.  The anti-inflammitory dopes her up pretty good, and she

> doesn't like the feeling.  Can anyone suggest an alternative that she could

> ask the DR  about.

>                                                                               

> Thanks,

>                                                                               

> Adrianne

> 











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To: herb@MyList.net, HERBALS@Daddysroses.com

Subject: Estrogen Production

From: Shucky <Nelsie@Netcom.ca>

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:23:40 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Shucky <Nelsie@Netcom.ca>:



I think a vegan diet is the only way to ensure you are not getting the

growth hormones and steriods intended for over-producing animals from

chickens to cows - and that's a LOT of beef!



Another thing that contributes to estrogen levels is plastic! Film wraps to

Tupperware, it all contributes to the problem. I think eating fresh food

and not hanging on to it si probably best with an overabundance of

estrogen. You might want to speak to your naturopath about adding some

'male' herbs for some help balancing your hormones, too.



Shucky   8-) +                                     ICQ #7978211



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 ( _ ___ _) young.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:35:16 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Vegan diets tend to be fine for a few years of detoxification, but are

ultimately disasterous for young women who do not get enough cholesterol

for hormone production. Cholesterol is the building block of  hormones

which regulate bone storage and hence the young woman do not lay down

bone when they are in the period of life where they should be storing

bone for the years ahead.  Osteoporosis, (which is incidentally endemic

for Japanese menopausal women despite their high soy consumption), is the

result.



Organic beef or buffalo, organic chicken, wild game, free-range eggs,

non-farmed fish and organic milk (especially goats milk), all provide

more easily assimilatable protein than does non-organic, antibiotic and

hormone-fed animal protein.  They do not have unnatural levels of

hormones and are also superior in their EFA profile to nonorganic

proteins.



Males and females all have the same hormones, just in different

proportions. These are produced in the body.  Phytoestrogens which are

very weak plant hormone-like compounds tie up estrogen receptors which

can cause problems with cancer once they are filled with the real, far

stronger thing.   While I know of at least one researcher who believes

that xenoestrogens from plastics, etc. do the same thing, I believe that

their presence in the bloodstream causes other problems leading to

cancer.  But human hormones, of the stereotypical male or female

varieties, are not found in either plants or plastics.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic- seek appropriate medical

care.

" A great many people think they are thinking when they are merely

rearranging their prejudices. "  William James



On Tue, 06 Oct 1998 13:23:40 -0400 Shucky <Nelsie@Netcom.ca> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Shucky <Nelsie@Netcom.ca>:

>

>I think a vegan diet is the only way to ensure you are not getting the

>growth hormones and steriods intended for over-producing animals from

>chickens to cows - and that's a LOT of beef!

>

>Another thing that contributes to estrogen levels is plastic! Film wraps

to

>Tupperware, it all contributes to the problem. I think eating fresh food

>and not hanging on to it si probably best with an overabundance of

>estrogen. You might want to speak to your naturopath about adding some

>'male' herbs for some help balancing your hormones, too.

>

>Shucky   8-) +                                     ICQ #7978211

>

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:33:20 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:



<<You might want to speak to your naturopath about adding some

'male' herbs for some help balancing your hormones, too.>>



Would these be herbs containing testosterone/progesterone? Can you name a

few?

Thanks,

Maureen









~

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http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2855

E-Mail: Rotty4Me@tdstelme.net

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:56:37 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:33:20 -0500, "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net> wrote

to <herb@MyList.net>:



><<You might want to speak to your naturopath about adding some

>'male' herbs for some help balancing your hormones, too.>>

>

>Would these be herbs containing testosterone/progesterone? Can you name a

>few?



No herbs contain any human steroid hormones. Human steroid hormones are produced

by our glands from cholesterols. You have a shortage of cholesterols if you

starve yourself to a skeleton - but you'll have worse problems than hormonal

upheavals in that case, as every single cell wall in our body contains about 70

% cholesterols.



Next, repeat after me: 

"The term phytoestrogens is nonsensical as some of the plants under this label

contain compounds which bind to estrogen sites and activate them, while others

contain compounds which bind to estrogen sites without activating them. That's

-opposite- action under the same label."



99.9 % of any true hormone, taken orally, is taken apart by the liver. Oral

contraceptives get past that because they emerge into estrogen- or

progesterone-like substances (they're NOT the real thing) after the liver's

taken them apart. These do NOT work like our own hormones.



Some herbs might contain compounds which kick the hypothalamus, pituitary,

testes, ovaries, name-your-favorite-gland-here, into higher production of native

hormones. Now -that's- a nice way to do it, unless the gland in question is the

corpus luteum which can't -take- any higher production. (If you kick that one

it'll just expire faster - voila, PMS and edema). Other herbs might strengthen

these glands - an excellent way to go about it.



Whenever you want more steroid hormones you should reduce stress, check diet,

reduce excessive exercise, and eat your vitamins. After that look for herbs.

After that look for hormone creams.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 12:34:28 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



At 02:56 PM 10/7/98 GMT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

>

>No herbs contain any human steroid hormones. Human steroid hormones are

produced

>by our glands from cholesterols. You have a shortage of cholesterols if you

>starve yourself to a skeleton - but you'll have worse problems than hormonal

>upheavals in that case, as every single cell wall in our body contains

about 70

>% cholesterols.



I add:  Just as a point of clarification... human bodies contain NO cell

walls... membranes, yes... but so long as we are attempting to be extremely

accurate and highly specific, such clarification is deemed in order.



>Next, repeat after me: 

>"The term phytoestrogens is nonsensical" ...



Well, not really, since the point here is the chemical mimicry engendered

by many botanically-derived compounds.  While they are not, themselves,

human hormones (which, as you point out, are only produced by humans) they

do interact with many of the same receptor locations as if they were

hormones.  Perhaps we might call them instead "Estrophytogens?"

>

<snip>

>Whenever you want more steroid hormones you should reduce stress, check diet,

>reduce excessive exercise, and eat your vitamins. After that look for herbs.

>After that look for hormone creams.

>

>Henriette



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To: Henriette Kress <HeK@HETTA.PP.FI>

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:53:33 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:





Hi Henriette,



On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Henriette Kress wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

> 

> On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 09:33:20 -0500, "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net> wrote

> to <herb@MyList.net>:

> 

SNIP

> 

> Next, repeat after me: 

> "The term phytoestrogens is nonsensical



Hum.  I have seen scientists & private companys use the term to

differentiate the plant derived compounds with some kind of estrogenic

activity from the synthetic estrogens.



Would it be better or more accurate to call herbs with estrogenic activity

by some other classifications, like steriods??



> as some of the plants under this label

> contain compounds which bind to estrogen sites and activate them, while others

> contain compounds which bind to estrogen sites without activating them. That's

> -opposite- action under the same label."

> 

> 99.9 % of any true hormone, taken orally, is taken apart by the liver. Oral

> contraceptives get past that because they emerge into estrogen- or

> progesterone-like substances (they're NOT the real thing) after the liver's

> taken them apart. These do NOT work like our own hormones.

> 



Do you know if there is there any scientific evidence supporting the idea

that plant derived or herbal substances with estrogenic activity reduce

the chances of breast cancer??? (a significant threat to those of us on

premarine.  For me the chances of developing breast cancer are further

increased for me as a survivor of female cancers.  Yikes, I don't even

want to imagine more cancer!!!)



> Some herbs might contain compounds which kick the hypothalamus, pituitary,

> testes, ovaries, name-your-favorite-gland-here, into higher production of native

> hormones. Now -that's- a nice way to do it, unless the gland in question is the

> corpus luteum which can't -take- any higher production. (If you kick that one

> it'll just expire faster - voila, PMS and edema). Other herbs might strengthen

> these glands - an excellent way to go about it.

> 

> Whenever you want more steroid hormones you should reduce stress, check diet,

> reduce excessive exercise, and eat your vitamins. After that look for herbs.

> After that look for hormone creams.



I do all 4 mentioned directly above.



Are there certain herbs useful in combating adrenal exhaustion?  After a

life time of severe stress & trauma, cancer, surgery, & chemo, I noticed

many of the symptoms listed under adrenal exhaustion (in nutritional

references) were consistent with my general state of health.  At that time

I started Vit B complex & zinc as well as a few other cancer preventing

herbs & nutritional supplements.  I was also looking for help with

severe allergies.  Since I successfully treated the symptoms related to

adrenal exhaustion I thought there might be a relationship here (I don't

think I have adrenal exhaustion, I think I may have been approaching

adrenal exhaustion.  I already feel better as a result of dietary changes

to more fresh fruits & veggies, addition of many supplements & herbs,

more quieting ritual to destress, & my exercise remains moderate but

significant)...



BTW I am in close contact with two MDs & taking medical diagnostic tests

for heart & calcium levels before making any switches to taking

synthetic estrogens. The Drs are supportive of my herbal use.



Thanks,



AmberBarbara





> 

> Henriette

> 

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...

> 









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 18:02:50 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:53:33 -0500 (CDT), Barbara <amber@io.com> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>> Next, repeat after me: 

>> "The term phytoestrogens is nonsensical

>

>Hum.  I have seen scientists & private companys use the term to

>differentiate the plant derived compounds with some kind of estrogenic

>activity from the synthetic estrogens.



Synthetic estrogen, applied topically, is -identical- with our own estrogen and

will therefore -always- have estrogenic activity. 

Estrogens made by tweaking animal hormones might give you side effects

(particularly if used long-term).

Oral estrogens are a sure way to get side effects. But then, oral hormones

aren't really hormones but rather hormone look-alikes.



>Would it be better or more accurate to call herbs with estrogenic activity

>by some other classifications, like steriods??



Call these herbs either estrogen-activating or estrogen-blocking. Any label

which puts the two together will always be nonsensical.



>life time of severe stress & trauma, cancer, surgery, & chemo, I noticed

>many of the symptoms listed under adrenal exhaustion (in nutritional



Please visit a professional herbalist for a full evaluation.



Henriette



--

Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 16:01:41 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:



<<Are there certain herbs useful in combating adrenal exhaustion?  >>



While most people on this list have much more info on herbs than me, I do

have experience with adrenal weakness. My adrenals don't produce enough

cortisol. This was diagnosed through testing. 24hr urine collection. The

herb Licorice Root is very good for adrenal glands. I forget what it does

but if you have low blood pressure (which often goes hand in hand with

adrenal weakness) & weak adrenals, it will help with that. Don't be mistaken

& buy the DGL kind, it's the glizzerizinated (sp!) kind that works.



Maureen





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 16:17:50 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>:



What is DGL kind mean??

TIA, 

Linda



Maureen Hicks wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:

> 

> <<Are there certain herbs useful in combating adrenal exhaustion?  >>

> 

> While most people on this list have much more info on herbs than me, I do

> have experience with adrenal weakness. My adrenals don't produce enough

> cortisol. This was diagnosed through testing. 24hr urine collection. The

> herb Licorice Root is very good for adrenal glands. I forget what it does

> but if you have low blood pressure (which often goes hand in hand with

> adrenal weakness) & weak adrenals, it will help with that. Don't be mistaken

> & buy the DGL kind, it's the glizzerizinated (sp!) kind that works.

> 

> Maureen

> 

> ~

> MoJim Rottweilers

> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2855

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:25:57 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:





What is DGL kind mean??

TIA,

Linda>>



DGL means deglycyrrhizinated licorice. The Glycyrrhetinic acid is removed.

It's the Glycyrrhetinic acid that is good for alot of things, one being low

blodd pressure & adrenal weakness. But a person suffering from high blood

pressure could only use the DGL kind.

Maureen





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:49:25 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>:



You said it was good for low blood sugar or low blood pressure or both?

Thank you.

Linda

P.S. I think the GL for hypoglycemia and the DGL for hbp.??



Maureen Hicks wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:

> 

> What is DGL kind mean??

> TIA,

> Linda>>

> 

> DGL means deglycyrrhizinated licorice. The Glycyrrhetinic acid is removed.

> It's the Glycyrrhetinic acid that is good for alot of things, one being low

> blodd pressure & adrenal weakness. But a person suffering from high blood

> pressure could only use the DGL kind.

> Maureen

> 

> ~

> MoJim Rottweilers

> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2855

> E-Mail: Rotty4Me@tdstelme.net

> ICQ# 4074962

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Estrogen Production

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:15:53 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:





<<You said it was good for low blood sugar or low blood pressure or both?

Thank you.

Linda

P.S. I think the GL for hypoglycemia and the DGL for hbp.??>>



I don't know about blood sugar & licorice but the regular GL kind is good

for low blood pressure, adrenal glands, & other things. Research on the herb

&/or a practitioners advise is important before trying this herb in my

opinion.

Maureen





~

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http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2855

E-Mail: Rotty4Me@tdstelme.net

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To: "herb@MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Kikuchi syndrome

From: "Dave Morris" <dmorris@globecastna.com>

Date: Tue, 06 Oct 1998 11:10:23 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Dave Morris" <dmorris@globecastna.com>:



Does anyone have information about herbal medicine for this disease, or

info on how to rebuild the immune system and rebuild white blood count?

Thanks,

 Dave Morris







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To: "herb@MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Kikuchi syndrome

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 10:57:24 -0500 (CDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:





Hi Dave,



On Tue, 6 Oct 1998, Dave Morris wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "Dave Morris" <dmorris@globecastna.com>:

> 

> Does anyone have information about herbal medicine for this disease, or

> info on how to rebuild the immune system and rebuild white blood count?

> Thanks,

>  Dave Morris

> 



I do not know anything about Kikuchi syndrome but I can help a little with

your other questions.



Echinacea has been documented as stimulated White Blood Cell growth,

please see Danila Mowry's Herbal Tonic Therapies.  I researched this

subject while going through chemo.  Some chemos are known for wiping out

WBC counts.  & I have seen chemo patients say they avoided using the more

expensive modern drugs (& avoided the unwanted side effects of lupegen) 

for stimulating WBC growth by using echinacea.



& there are lots of herbs that are helpful with rebuilding the immune

system.  (I have been actively researching & expereimenting with herbal

rememdies to rebuild my immune system as a post cancer patient.)



Depending on what you want to accomplish all of the following can be

useful -



Ginko, Astralagus, all the Ginsengs, St. John's Wort (the bioflavonoids in

St. John's Wort are powerful anti-oxidants), Centella/Gotu Kola, Milk

Thistle (works to cleanse liver so it stregthens the overall immune system

strength by lowering the toxic things your immune system has to deal

with, like drugs, alcohol, etc.) - I have been using these with positive

effects I can feel



Other herbs I have not used but may try in the future include Lapacho,

Essiac, Schizandra, Licorice Root (especially helpful with arthritis), &

Yerba mate.



Panax/Chinses Ginseng, Astralagus, Horsetail, & Dong quai are all suppose

to have the ability to stimulate WBC growth.  



I know there are many more herbs that are helpful with stregthening the

immune system, but maybe this will give you a good start.



I will keep this part short because these are not list topics but they

still desreve mentioning because they may be extremely helpful in healing

& alleviating suffering - 

Vitamin B complex & zinc are suppose to be VERY helpful with

stregthening the immune system too.  (I agree strongly here.)  Also

anything that induces calm & deep relaxation in the body is known for

fighting disease very effectively & strenthening the immune system,

including: Yoga, meditation, deep breathing exercises, moderate exercise,

prayer; & lots of fresh fruits & veggies in the diet...



Good Luck



AmberBarbara











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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Kikuchi syndrome

From: "Desiree" <desiree@dipl.nightowl.net>

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:45:06 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Desiree" <desiree@dipl.nightowl.net>:



Dear Barbara,



You mentioned a lot of herbs that are useful for building up the immune

system and the WBC.  My DH is fighting metastatic

cancer at this time and is on Interleukin-2.  We've talked to the

doc about herbs, and he cautioned us, saying that some herbs

may be harsh on the liver (hubby's liver is involved in the metastases)

and that we should be careful not to overtax his already compromised liver.

Do you know if any of the herbs you mentioned  would have

this untoward effect on the liver?



Thanks for any/all info you can give me.  :)



Diane











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To: Herb list <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: grinding herbs

From: jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:45:13 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>:



I got some herbs in today. Got some really nice Ginseng and some Ho sho wu. 

I had bought a vita-mix some time ago for the purpose of grinding herbs. IT 

works really well on leaves and barks and the such, but so does blenders 

that are a lot less expensive. The herbs that are cut and sifted it works 

pretty nice on also. I broke the thing trying to grind up the Ho sho wu and 

it had a really hard time on the ginseng roots. I broke the whatchmacallit 

on top of the thingamabob. My question is this. What in the world do folks 

use to powder these really tough herbs. I have got these in a menstrum now 

but they are in there whole state. Was hoping to cut down on the sitting 

time by powdering them first. I even tried wrapping some of the herb and 

pulverizing it with a hammer and it would not do it. I was thinking if I 

had let it sit in the menstrum for a couple of days and maybe become softer 

and them putting it in the vita-mix would I had better luck. There has got 

to be a way without ordering a hammermill. Thanks for the info from all you 

herbal guru's         John     jfoster@ebicom.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: grinding herbs

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 19:52:56 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



John-



I've often found that the hard herbs are better soaked in menstrum for a

week before grinding them in the vitamix. If possible grossly chop them

before soaking.  I pour them in after a week, marc, menstrum and all and

then grind up.  It keeps the vitamix intact (although I am told that a

friend who followed this procedure with a very large ganoderma mushroom

did break an old vitamix after decocting the mushroom for an hour.)  



Karen Vaughan

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On Tue, 6 Oct 1998 17:45:13 -0500 jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>:

>

>I had bought a vita-mix some time ago for the purpose of grinding herbs.

IT 

>works really well on leaves and barks and the such, but so does blenders



>that are a lot less expensive. The herbs that are cut and sifted it

works 

>pretty nice on also. I broke the thing trying to grind up the Ho sho wu

and 

>it had a really hard time on the ginseng roots. I broke the

whatchmacallit 

>on top of the thingamabob. My question is this. What in the world do

folks 

>use to powder these really tough herbs.       John    

jfoster@ebicom.net

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:  grinding herbs

From: MaidenFate@aol.com

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:03:46 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from MaidenFate@aol.com:



I'm a bit old fashioned. I use a mortar and pestle and grind away. It's good

for the herbs and helps to get my negative energies out. Nothing helps like

beating the crap out of some plants :-)



Pamela Wilfinger

Editor, Inscriptions

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--Kelly Bundy







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: grinding herbs

From: Csono@aol.com

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 09:08:39 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Csono@aol.com:



I've always had good luck using a coffee bean grinder

Robyn Hardgrove

Csono@AOL.COM





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Chrone's Disease

From: MDLukacs@aol.com

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 22:25:46 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from MDLukacs@aol.com:



While we're on the topic of IBS, I was wondering what you recommend for

Chrone's Disease.  A woman I work with is very ill from this, plus she is on a

high dosage of steroids for her arthritis.  Her poor system is pretty messed

up, and I have been encouraging her to find a Naturopath.  She has been seeing

a nutritionist, and is thinking of going for accupuncture, but there must be

more she can do for this.  All suggestions are welcome.



Thanks in advance,

Denise





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chrone's Disease

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 11:45:23 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



MDLukacs@aol.com wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from MDLukacs@aol.com:

> 

> While we're on the topic of IBS, I was wondering what you recommend for

> Chrone's Disease.  A woman I work with is very ill from this, plus she is on a

> high dosage of steroids for her arthritis.  Her poor system is pretty messed

> up, and I have been encouraging her to find a Naturopath.  She has been seeing

> a nutritionist, and is thinking of going for accupuncture, but there must be

> more she can do for this.  All suggestions are welcome.

> 

> Thanks in advance,

> Denise

Has her nutritionist queried the possibility of candida?









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chrone's Disease

From: Csono@aol.com

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:19:15 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Csono@aol.com:



My husband has had chrones since he was 10, and was in constant pain. We put

him on slippery elm, aloe vera juice and marshmallow till things simmered down

a bit. Then we added psyllium hulls, black walnut, & garlic to clean the

intestinal tract of built up mucus and any parasites he might have. He also

took a combination of herbs to heal that contained chamomile, plantain, rose

hips, & bugleweed, and a combination of herbs for his nervous system, (nerves

& tension set him into a tizzy)

which contained white willow bark, ginger root, black cohosh, hops flowers,

capsicum, wood betony, valerian root and devils claw. It took a year for him

to be completely pain free but it did work. I also added flax seed oil after I

read about how it was so good for chrones & ibs. That was 4 years ago and he

is still doing fine, even through the divorce.



Robyn hardgrove

Csono@AOL.COM





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chrone's Disease

From: Csono@aol.com

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:58:19 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Csono@aol.com:



I almost forgot the most important part, diet. We eliminated all red meat,

nuts and seeds of any kind, including his beloved strawberries (I would peel

them for him when I was feeling exceptionally nice), and NO carbonated

beverages. We ate alot of fish & chicken, and beans and rice too. He switched

to iced raspberry tea instead of the colas and lots of water. Also, he was

able to eat red meat after he was feeling better but only if it was free

range, no steroids or antibiotcs. Plus he ate alot of pinapple and papaya

before and after his meals to aid in digestion.



Robyn Hardgrove

Csono@AOL.COM





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Unfamiliar herbs

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Tue, 6 Oct 1998 23:39:00 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Cheryl <whitecloud@snowcrest.net>:



I am familiar with or have ideas on some but not all the herbs you mention.



Crataegus pinnatifida:  Crataegus is the hawthorn genus, hawthorn berries or

flowers are supposed to be beneficial for the heart.



Prunella Vulgaries Poria: I've heard of Prunella vulgaris, saw it in a Chinese

grocery store, am not sure what it is used for.   I thought Poria was a

separate herb.



Cocos Wolff:  All I know is that Cocos nucifera is coconut, don't know about

Cocos Wolff.



Mint: could be spearmint or peppermint, or other lesser-known species.



Fructus Hordei Gorminatus:  Fructus = fruit; Hordeum vulgare = barley; that is

all I can say.



Pogostemon Cablin: I don't know this species but have seen pogostemon in a

seed or nursery catalog or ad.



Phaseolus Angulais:  Phaseolus angularis is the adzuki bean, sounds like

something for cooking or sprouting.



Cassia Tora:  There is a Cassia genus not related to cinnamon, I am not

familiar with uses or availability.



Rhizoma Alismatis:  Alisma rhizome, used in Chinese herbal mixtures.



Raphanus sativus:  Radish; seeds can be used for sprouting.



Am I correct guessing this is a Chinese mixture?



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbs to Assist Immune System

From: Richard & Bonnie <rfarner@tellico.net>

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 08:03:18 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Richard & Bonnie <rfarner@tellico.net>:



I'm new to the list but would like someone to advise me of which

herbs are helpful to boost the immune system. Also, some good herbal

tonic mixtures that help energy. I'm 51 and pooped out all the time.

Any help appreciated. Thanks, Bonnie





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Endometriosis & Low Progesterone (Was Estrogen Production)

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:22:45 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:



<<Whenever you want more steroid hormones you should reduce stress, check

diet,

reduce excessive exercise, and eat your vitamins. After that look for herbs.

After that look for hormone creams.>>



I have done it all as far as trying to balance my hormones. I just thought

maybe there were herbs that might be benificial to someone as myself for

treating diseases caused by low progesterone levels such as endometriosis

which I have.

Thanks,

Maureen









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Subject: Re: Endometriosis & Low Progesterone (Was Estrogen Production)

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 12:21:25 -0500 (CDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:



Has it been proven clinically that endometriosos is caused by low

progesterone!!???



I have suspected this for years but I have never seen any test data

supporting this hypothesis...



Thanks,



& Thank you to all the people who have contributed to the discussions on

herbalism to treat menopausal symptoms, the use of phytoestrogens in place

of HRT for female related cancer survivors, etc.  I have been very happy

to see all the scientific information available on this list.  I started

posting in Sci.med.nutrition & Sci.med.cancer looking for this

information.  Mostly I was flamed by the Sci.med MDs as being

irresponsible  for using herbs to rebuild my immune & nervous sytems after

cancer, surgery & chemo (& to deal with a 5 year period of extreme PMS).

So far I have received the most constructive help from the list regulars

here!



I thought I should let Y'all know  :)



>From Texas,

 

AmberBarbara





On Wed, 7 Oct 1998, Maureen Hicks wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:

> 

> <<Whenever you want more steroid hormones you should reduce stress, check

> diet,

> reduce excessive exercise, and eat your vitamins. After that look for herbs.

> After that look for hormone creams.>>

> 

> I have done it all as far as trying to balance my hormones. I just thought

> maybe there were herbs that might be beneficial to someone as myself for

> treating diseases caused by low progesterone levels such as endometriosis

> which I have.

> Thanks,

> Maureen

> 

> 

> 

> 

> ~

> MoJim Rottweilers

> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2855

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Endometriosis & Low Progesterone (Was Estrogen Production)

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 15:57:35 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:



<<Has it been proven clinically that endometriosos is caused by low

progesterone!!???

I have suspected this for years but I have never seen any test data

supporting this hypothesis...>>



In most of the research I have done, endometriosis patient's usually had

either elevated levels of estrogen or low progesterone. I have low

progesterone. But I don't know what is exactly clinically proven. I don't

always go by that stuff!

Maureen







~

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http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Park/2855

E-Mail: Rotty4Me@tdstelme.net

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AOL IM: CoolRotty







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Endometriosis & Low Progesterone (Was Estrogen Production)

From: Woolman <wool84@niia.net>

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 17:53:05 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Woolman <wool84@niia.net>:



Maureen Hicks wrote:



> 

> I have done it all as far as trying to balance my hormones. I just thought

> maybe there were herbs that might be benificial to someone as myself for

> treating diseases caused by low progesterone levels such as endometriosis

> which I have.

> Thanks,

> Maureen



Try Wild Yam Cream.  _Controlling Hormones Naturally_ by Melinda Bonk is

a very good book to read. 



Andie





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Endometriosis & Low Progesterone (Was Estrogen Production)

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:39:05 -0400 (EDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



At 12:22 PM 10/7/98 -0500, you wrote:



>To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:



>maybe there were herbs that might be benificial to someone as myself for

>treating diseases caused by low progesterone levels such as endometriosis

>which I have.

>Thanks,

>Maureen



This is , well, riveting. I had the womb out because of endometriosis, (I

insisted on keeping ovaries).Was put on 2.5 estrogen. I started having

insomnia and osteoarthritis 5-10 yrs later, and somewhere in there I reduced

my ogen to 1.25. Depression waltzed in in that general time frame. I became

very Adele Davis indeed, and  started opening to alternatives. Five(?) years

later I present with osteoporosis, Rx Fosamax. I elected to add

testosterone, fluoride, and soy to the stew. The nsaids and Zoloft had

Really made an unhappy body, so I began serious studying, and in the last

year have weaned off the zoloft to St. John's wort plus Ghingko, and off

Relaphen to Glu.So4 and Chondrotin plus 1200Ca++/600Mg+++, IT Barlean's

flaxseed oil, and about 2600mg MSM, plus a cup of  blender mixed organic veg

and fruit slurry for afternon snack, a multi-vit-min and have reduced meat

and sat fat. I strenuously avoid processed food. But i drink a glass of

wine, and a dessert--usually whole grain bread and jam, or frozen yogurt

with fruit, for supper. Not a bad deal, at all, you know? I feel 10 years

younger!



The only,ONLY little problem I have left is knee tenderness when I wake up

if I've pick up heavy weight the day before, like the five gal jug of water

or the 45# dog, or if I do an hour of walking up and down Walmart, or

sumpin',and that soon dissipates during the day. The osteoporosis has

retreated to neutral. So, find a doc who is bold and knowledgeable in

alt-med, and will work with you on it. Hormones. Test 'em!

 Nutrition and individual biochemistry. Belief in the human body. Realize

that each of us is unique, and the doc doesn't have time to unravel all the

variables, so you gotta help her help you. Educated wild herb gathering or

cultivation would help with the bills, but needs stern education.



Voila!!!! There is a tooth fairy, after all!! She just doesn't leave an

insurance policy under the pillow   (:(   :))



Pat









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Endometriosis & Low Progesterone (Was Estrogen Production)

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:12:24 -0400 (EDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



At 05:53 PM 10/7/98 -0500, you wrote:



>Try Wild Yam Cream.  _Controlling Hormones Naturally_ by Melinda Bonk is

>a very good book to read. 



Has anyone read Chrstane Northrup's "Women's Bodies"?  (She of PBS

fame..._her newletter is provocative)



Pat









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Endometriosis & Low Progesterone (Was Estrogen Production)

From: Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@uscom.com>

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 11:56:10 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@uscom.com>:



> 

> Has anyone read Chrstane Northrup's "Women's Bodies"?  (She of PBS

> fame..._her newletter is provocative)

> 

I've read it and recommend it highly.

Jodi





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Bergamot (Monarda)

From: seagul1@voicenet.com

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 14:43:11 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from seagul1@voicenet.com:



Help,

I need to find a source for dried or powdered Bergamot.

I've searched Sanfranscio herb, Penn HErb and a few others along with an

internet search and cannot find any.

Anyone have a clue as to where to find this herb?



Thanks So much,

Terri







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Bergamot (Monarda)

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 22:11:37 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to seagul1@voicenet.com:



I just looked in the Frontier catalog and found bergamot (Monarda fistulosa)

cut & sifted, $22.55 for one pound as of two years ago.  No commercial interest

on my part.  I believe another common name is beebalm.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: "Medicinal and Aromatic Plants discussion list" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Bergamot (Monarda)

From: "Ilene Rachford" <irachfrd@erinet.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:41:09 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Ilene Rachford" <irachfrd@erinet.com>:



>bergamot (Monarda fistulosa)

>I believe another common name is beebalm.



Does anyone know if this herb is the same wildflower usually grown to

attract hummingbirds?



Ilene







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bergamot (Monarda)

From: OakCamp@aol.com

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 08:50:08 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from OakCamp@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/7/98 12:40:49 PM Mountain Daylight Time,

seagul1@voicenet.com writes:



<< I need to find a source for dried or powdered Bergamot. >>



You could also try St. John's Herb Garden- they have c/s bergamot.  

Phone# 301/262-5302 (nci)



Good Luck!

Barb Birkinbine

Oak Camp Herb Farm

Grower of Certified Organic Medicinal Herbs

OakCamp@aol.com





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Bergamot (Monarda)

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:03:45 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



>>bergamot (Monarda fistulosa)

>>I believe another common name is beebalm.

>

>Does anyone know if this herb is the same wildflower usually grown to

>attract hummingbirds?





Ilene....this one is the pink-lilac colored species....The one more

attractive to hummingbirds is  Monarda didyma...the RED species.  Very

similar otherwise.

Joanie







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: STOCKMANN ASHLEY ELIZABETH <astock@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 18:53:40 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from STOCKMANN ASHLEY ELIZABETH <astock@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>:



are there any herbs of any sort that can aid in clearing up acne?



thanks,

ashley







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:22:42 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):



 >are there any herbs of any sort that can aid in clearing up acne?

>

>thanks,

>ashley

>

Depending on whether your skin is oily or dry.   My skin is oily and

blemishes respond well to facial grade powdered clay applied to face.  I

also use an stringent that I've made with witch hazel and lavender.  I

let the lavender flowers sit in the witch hazel, in the refrigerator and

shake daily.  Strain out the flowers after 2 weeks of this  and there you

have it!       Jenny   Iris



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: Woolman <wool84@niia.net>

Date: Wed, 07 Oct 1998 22:27:51 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Woolman <wool84@niia.net>:



STOCKMANN ASHLEY ELIZABETH wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from STOCKMANN ASHLEY ELIZABETH <astock@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>:

> 

> are there any herbs of any sort that can aid in clearing up acne?

> 

> thanks,

> ashley

I have adult acne and my daughter has some blemishes. We wash with

oatmeal soap and use one cup of witch-hazel mixed with 1 tsp. tea tree

oil.  I use this twice a day on a cotton ball and it has cleared my

blemishes.



Andie





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 10:24:48 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



STOCKMANN ASHLEY ELIZABETH wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from STOCKMANN ASHLEY ELIZABETH <astock@falcon.cc.ukans.edu>:

> 

> are there any herbs of any sort that can aid in clearing up acne?

> 

> thanks,

> ashley





A friend of mine suffered from very bad acne rosaeca throughout her

twenties.  She had antibiotics, Retinoin and went on a strict anti

candida diet with dietary supplements added.  Whilst they all helped a

bit she did much better on traditional Chinese herbal medicine

prescribed by a qualified doctor and TCM herbalist together with the

Sher system for skin care.



>From having skin on her face which looked as though she had been stung

by bees all over she now has only a little redness from the blood vessel

damage and some scarring.  Apparently it is possible to tackle that with

laser light treatment but as she can cover up the redness with make-up

she is not prepared to risk anything which might make her skin worse

having spent so long getting it better.



The Chinese herbal doctor has changed her herb mix as she has improved

on a number of occassions.  Rather than look for herbs per se it is

probably better to look for a herbalist with a good track record in

treating skin conditions.



Emotional factors may well be involved.  My friend's mother was very

critical and made her feel unattractive for example. Anything which

helps improve self esteem is valuable.  



Sorry I can't be more specific in recommending individual herbs.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: KR1989@aol.com

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:33:07 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from KR1989@aol.com:



I use Dandilion root and Propolis for my skin internally.  I have also

switched to all natural skin care products.  I started with aubrey organics

(which I loved and they worked great, but were really expensive).  Now I make

my own. I make castile soap for the soap (You can probably find some good

natural soaps at your herb store, if not let me know, I'm on a soap crafters

listserve and can give you some names of great soap makers to buy from)  I

then use purified water with 2-3 drops of clary sage , rosemary, vetiver, and

cederwood essential oils as the astringent on a cotton ball. (These essential

oils are all great for acne).  I use a natural lotion with titanium dioxide

for daytime (I made it also), and an oil made of jojoba oil, emu oil, and

essential oils of clary sage, rosemary, and rose(rose is for preventing

wrinkles) for night time.  Jojoba oil will not cause acne and is actually good

for it, so is the emu oil.  For spot treatment of acne use Tea tree oil.  I

have pictures of my face from before that I hate looking at because of the

acne....I still get a zit or 2 on occasion, but my skin now is clear

otherwise.  I also use blue/green algea mixed with honey and a couple drops of

clary sage as a face mask once a week, and a facial scrub I've made with

oatmeal and essential oils a couple times a week.



I hope this was understandable ....sometimes I babble!  :)



Kathy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:15:35 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>:



Would you know of an eye cream similar to Retin a, which I have never

used, but which would (ha) rid the eye area of wrinkles?

TIA,

Linda



KR1989@aol.com wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from KR1989@aol.com:

> 

> I use Dandilion root and Propolis for my skin internally.  I have also

> switched to all natural skin care products.  I started with aubrey organics

> (which I loved and they worked great, but were really expensive).  Now I make

> my own. I make castile soap for the soap (You can probably find some good

> natural soaps at your herb store, if not let me know, I'm on a soap crafters

> listserve and can give you some names of great soap makers to buy from)  I

> then use purified water with 2-3 drops of clary sage , rosemary, vetiver, and

> cederwood essential oils as the astringent on a cotton ball. (These essential

> oils are all great for acne).  I use a natural lotion with titanium dioxide

> for daytime (I made it also), and an oil made of jojoba oil, emu oil, and

> essential oils of clary sage, rosemary, and rose(rose is for preventing

> wrinkles) for night time.  Jojoba oil will not cause acne and is actually good

> for it, so is the emu oil.  For spot treatment of acne use Tea tree oil.  I

> have pictures of my face from before that I hate looking at because of the

> acne....I still get a zit or 2 on occasion, but my skin now is clear

> otherwise.  I also use blue/green algea mixed with honey and a couple drops of

> clary sage as a face mask once a week, and a facial scrub I've made with

> oatmeal and essential oils a couple times a week.

> 

> I hope this was understandable ....sometimes I babble!  :)

> 

> Kathy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:44:37 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:15:35 -0500, Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net> wrote

to herb@MyList.net:



>Would you know of an eye cream similar to Retin a, which I have never

>used, but which would (ha) rid the eye area of wrinkles?



The crowfeet around my eyes are the last wrinkles I'd want to get rid of, if I

were into wrinkles at all. After all, they tell me (and everybody else) that

I've laughed a lot.



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:28:27 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/8/98 11:26:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, n5wuh@ionet.net

writes:



> Would you know of an eye cream similar to Retin a, which I have never

>  used, but which would (ha) rid the eye area of wrinkles?

>  TIA,



I have it on good authority that there actually is such a cream and it bubbles

out of the ground about 40 feet to the south of the fountain of youth in the

rain forest of Mikinto.  Trouble is that with his death, Ponce De Leon took

the only copy of the map to this forest with him and try as they might, all of

the great explorers, have failed to find the place again.  Personally, I think

that old Ponce lost the map as well since he did after all grow old and die

after the jug of water from the fountain ran out. 



There are a few herbal creams that will reduce the wrinkles and fill in the

area under the skin, and make the skin more pliable etc., and there are some

wonderful emollient oils and creams that you can make, but unfortunately,

there is nothing that is good for you, that will reverse the sands of time or

the effects of either years of too much sun worship or too many frowns etched

on the  brow.   Get a copy of Rosemary Gladstar's herbal Healing for Women and

look at her section on skin care.  I have made the creams and oils she has

formulated and have added to or modified them a little for my daughters and

for others.  As a place to start, there are not too many that will have any

better effect short of also taking a supplement formulated specifically for

that purpose.



I know this doesn't give you the specific things to use, which it could, but

particularly with things like this, you are far better served by becoming

"personally" involved in how you look and what you do to get there, and this

just won't happen if we do it all for you. 



Sorry, but this very afternoon I spent 2 hours with 3  women that came to the

shop with the same questions, and after the first fifteen minutes of what was

essentially a "you tell me what I can do - and then do it for me" I handed

them each a book and said - buy this - sit down right here and read this

section - then we will talk about it - which they  did - and after about 45

minutes we had a wonderful discussion and played with some stuff for the next

hour.  They all went away with little jars of an incredible skin oil we had

fun mixing up and trying and -a sense that "they" could do something for

themselves that was really pure and wasn't really mysterious and magic -   and

an appointment to take another afternoon "in the field" and come back and

"play" some more next week. 

 There may not ba a lot of places like this around where you are, but you can

have as much fun trying it on your own with a friend or two.  Every woman I

know and a lot more men than would readily admit it has some level of interest

in getting back that youthful look that has started to elude them.  Just take

the time, read about it-and have some fun.

Peter





==========

To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>

Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 13:59:46 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>:



Peter,

I want to know what was in that little bottle of oil you all had fun

playing with. I have plenty of books to read on the subject of herbs,

anatomy, massage right now, but I am wondering from personal experience

what has worked for fine lines. I am sure the women know what I am

talking about. I probably will buy Herbal Healing if I don't already

have it. I hate to make you give up your secret here.

Have fun.

Linda



NEHrbSup@aol.com wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:

> 

> In a message dated 10/8/98 11:26:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time, n5wuh@ionet.net

> writes:

> 

> > Would you know of an eye cream similar to Retin a, which I have never

> >  used, but which would (ha) rid the eye area of wrinkles?

> >  TIA,

> 

> I have it on good authority that there actually is such a cream and it bubbles

> out of the ground about 40 feet to the south of the fountain of youth in the

> rain forest of Mikinto.  Trouble is that with his death, Ponce De Leon took

> the only copy of the map to this forest with him and try as they might, all of

> the great explorers, have failed to find the place again.  Personally, I think

> that old Ponce lost the map as well since he did after all grow old and die

> after the jug of water from the fountain ran out.

> 

> There are a few herbal creams that will reduce the wrinkles and fill in the

> area under the skin, and make the skin more pliable etc., and there are some

> wonderful emollient oils and creams that you can make, but unfortunately,

> there is nothing that is good for you, that will reverse the sands of time or

> the effects of either years of too much sun worship or too many frowns etched

> on the  brow.   Get a copy of Rosemary Gladstar's herbal Healing for Women and

> look at her section on skin care.  I have made the creams and oils she has

> formulated and have added to or modified them a little for my daughters and

> for others.  As a place to start, there are not too many that will have any

> better effect short of also taking a supplement formulated specifically for

> that purpose.

> 

> I know this doesn't give you the specific things to use, which it could, but

> particularly with things like this, you are far better served by becoming

> "personally" involved in how you look and what you do to get there, and this

> just won't happen if we do it all for you.

> 

> Sorry, but this very afternoon I spent 2 hours with 3  women that came to the

> shop with the same questions, and after the first fifteen minutes of what was

> essentially a "you tell me what I can do - and then do it for me" I handed

> them each a book and said - buy this - sit down right here and read this

> section - then we will talk about it - which they  did - and after about 45

> minutes we had a wonderful discussion and played with some stuff for the next

> hour.  They all went away with little jars of an incredible skin oil we had

> fun mixing up and trying and -a sense that "they" could do something for

> themselves that was really pure and wasn't really mysterious and magic -   and

> an appointment to take another afternoon "in the field" and come back and

> "play" some more next week.

>  There may not ba a lot of places like this around where you are, but you can

> have as much fun trying it on your own with a friend or two.  Every woman I

> know and a lot more men than would readily admit it has some level of interest

> in getting back that youthful look that has started to elude them.  Just take

> the time, read about it-and have some fun.

> Peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: KR1989@aol.com

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 09:40:08 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from KR1989@aol.com:



Sorry, I don't Some of the essential oils that are good for wrinkles are rose,

Fennel, Frankincense, and neroli.  Try some of those in a natural lotion and

see if it helps.  I use a couple drops of rose otto in my facial lotions and

I've been happy with the results.



Kathy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: Csono@aol.com

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:08:38 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Csono@aol.com:



I've always had good succes using yellow dock, took 2 capsules 2x daily



Robyn Hardgrove

Csono@AOL.COM





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:58:02 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/9/98 1:30:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, grnhart@home.com

writes:



> Oh Peter....I want to come to your place and play!!!

>  Where are you???

>  Aileen



In the mystical forest just beyond the realm of reason and conventional

thought where all are welcome and few leave as they arrived.  



The place is also known to be called Hebron Connecticut.  If you are in the

area and are serious, I'd love to have you come by.  Post me off list since

this could be considered a flagrant abuse of the (NCI) rule to take any

further on list.

Peter  





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: acne

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:12:43 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/9/98 3:00:22 PM Eastern Daylight Time, n5wuh@ionet.net

writes:



> Peter,

>  I want to know what was in that little bottle of oil you all had fun

>  playing with. I have plenty of books to read on the subject of herbs,

>  anatomy, massage right now, but I am wondering from personal experience

>  what has worked for fine lines. I am sure the women know what I am

>  talking about. I probably will buy Herbal Healing if I don't already

>  have it. I hate to make you give up your secret here.

>  Have fun.

>  Linda



Linda,



There is no secret to be kept.  One thing I have found is that as much as

people "want" certain things in life, most folks simply won't go through the

effort (or the expense) to get all of the ingredients together and make a mess

like results when you are making this kind of oil/cream. I can't tell you what

the proportions we used were, because I didn't write them down and I don't

think anyone else did either - there were "math papers" done so that I didn't

wind up with a pint of something that I wasn't prepared to then bottle

properly, but I think that we did something on the order of 2 parts solid oils

to 3 or 4 parts of liquid oils and the Vitamine E oil was 25% of the mix, and

the cocoa butter was about 10% by volume of liquid (after heating and melting

it) - but as I think I said in the post that prompted your response,  the

whole thing is to know that while there are some "rules" about making this

kind of stuff, particularly when it comes to making creams, you have a lot of

latitude and should experiment and experience  for yourself what can happen.

I can't tell you how many times I have started out to make a nice thick cream

and wound up with a really nice "lotion" instead, because I didn't pay

attention as closely as I should to what was going on - if it looks good,

feels good, and smells good when that happens, I change the bottle, and the

label - it does the same thing that it was supposed to to begin with and keeps

me humble.





The oil - which needs to be bottled in a straight sided jar because it will

become semi-solid had calendula oil (heat infused in almond oil), a premium

grade cocoa butter, coconut oil, pure lanolin, SJW oil (in an organic cold

pressed extra virgin olive oil) Vitamin E oil, and a little grapefruit seed

extract to keep the stuff from growing green fuzzies, as the "base" and then

each put the essential oils of their choice into their little jar to

"personalize" it and give them the "effect" they were looking for.  

Sorry I couldn't be more specific, but this should help a little.

Peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: re:acne

From: Michela <michs@onr.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:20:19 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Michela <michs@onr.com>:



I have been using tea tree oil with pretty good success. Just topically

applying it. This is the first thing that has even touched my stubborn

acne.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Essiac/Kikuchi syndrome

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Wed, 7 Oct 1998 23:47:05 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Barbara <amber@io.com>:



Essiac is not a single herb but a mixture of four or more herbs, named for 

Ren Caisse; Essiac is Caisse spelled backwards.  Basic four are slippery elm,

turkey rhubarb, sheep sorrel and I can't remember the fourth (burdock?), but

one ounce of Essiac is likely to cost more than one pound of any of

the individual herbs.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Essiac/Kikuchi syndrome

From: Magda2@aol.com

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:39:31 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:



Susun Weed has a recipe and chapter devoted to Essiac in __Breast

Cancer?Breast Health_______. Very cost effective if you find your own herb

locally which is a good thing to do! If possible in your own yard.  Wonderful

info and interesting to read. (nci) The cancer runs in my family which is why

I try to keep informed of any info I find. Marianne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Essiac/Kikuchi syndrome

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:44:44 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Essiac has the reputation among herbalists as a so-so alterative with

mild tumor-reduction properties.  If you are making your own (the only

cost effective way to use this overpriced mixture)  add 50% red clover

blossoms.



Karen Vaughan

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On Thu, 8 Oct 1998 06:39:31 EDT Magda2@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:

>

>Susun Weed has a recipe and chapter devoted to Essiac in __Breast

>Cancer?Breast Health_______. Very cost effective if you find your own 

>herb

>locally which is a good thing to do! If possible in your own yard.  

>Wonderful

>info and interesting to read. (nci) The cancer runs in my family which 

>is why

>I try to keep informed of any info I find. Marianne

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Essiac/Kikuchi syndrome

From: Lynn <artemis@worlddrive.com>

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 12:38:44 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Lynn <artemis@worlddrive.com>:



At 09:44 AM 10/8/1998 -0400, you wrote:



>Essiac has the reputation among herbalists as a so-so alterative with

>mild tumor-reduction properties.  If you are making your own (the only

>cost effective way to use this overpriced mixture)  add 50% red clover

>blossoms.



Hi,

My mother has been using Essiac tea for over a year now.  I must wonder

if she is a rare case.  Essiac tea has radically  reduced her tumors:



	lymph nodes, leisons on liver, hot spots on her bones, breast tumors



Just over a year ago her oncologist told her she had MAYBE three months

left.  As of today she, I believe due to Essiac tea and a radical change in 

diet, my mother is still on her feet, relatively pain free and no hospital

stays.



As to the cost, we live in Ontario, and there is a local herbalist (Native

Canadian)

who uses the exact recipie that was handed down to him.  Each herb must be 

harvested at particular time and so on and so forth.  I guess we are lucky

because

he charges only $5.00 CDN for 4oz of the herb..enough to last about a month

if you are

taking 4oz of the tea/day.  Commercial blends seem to be very expensive and

my mother

notices the difference.



I hope this info was helpful.



Warmly,

Lynn





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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Irritable bowel sydrome

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 01:50:25 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



Jenny,



>Greetings -

>I posted a question that went unanswered a few days ago, so I

>will rephrase it.

>I'd like to hear some discussion of herbs, diet etc. that people

>have used to successfully manage irritable bowel syndrome.



>thanks so much,     Jenny Iris



Here is some information that may be helpful to you.



There are several chinese herbal blends available that go by names such as

"Muscle Relax Tea".  When I had IBS, it seemed to reduce the number of

attacks if taken regularly.  Black Cohosh is an anti-spasmodic (I was taking

it anyway for peri-menopausal bleeding) and so is Lobelia.  A valerian and

hops blend also seemed to help if taken just when I felt an attack coming

on.  Another thing that would help at this stage, is the application of an

ice pack (I used to sleep with mine as most of my

attacks started late evening).  Even just applying pressure to the area of

the abdomen where the pain usually concentrates, can interrupt the cycle and

prevent the intestine from going into full blown spasming.



To heal from Crohns or any of its precursors, you need to include a goodly

amount of fiber with every meal, avoid allergens, eliminate all liquids

consumed within 20 minutes before or after a meal, and destress.  Of course,

be sensible.  Take lots of healing herbs to rebuild the intestinal track.

Aloe Vera Gel and Slippery Elm are a great combination and used together,

will usually not aggravate the diarrhea.  Start slowly on the fiber; in

fact, you may need to go on a liquid diet for awhile until the inflammation

subsides a bit.  Juicing will work here.



As far as prepackaged juices go, I would recommend a company called AIM out

of Canada (nci).  I don't have a distributor name handy, but could try to

find you one if you like.  They carry Barley Green and Just Carrots.  I

believe that they are available in "sample packets" that are perfect for

taking with you.  If not , you can always premeasure a serving or two of the

powder into a plastic sandwich bag for travel.  Another company that is

good, makes a product called Just Barley and also Green Kamut (organic wheat

grass juice powder).  These last two can be ordered thru Dr. Don (honorary

title) at 407-895-9801 and are also carried in some health food stores.



I have a source for a really nutritious meal replacement that contains a

small amount of fiber, tastes great, is satisfying and is dehydrated thru a

special process where the temperature never rises above 85F, so the

ingredients are not denatured nor are the enzymes destroyed.  This is what I

used when healing my own IBS.  If you are interested in more info, contact

me off list.



Of course, fresh fruit and vegetable juices are the most healing, but not

always convenient.  If you would like some suggestions for fresh

combinations that would be particularly healing, just ask.



Best of luck to you,



Marie Winston

b.winston@worldnet.att.net











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To: Bill Winston <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Subject: Re: Irritable bowel sydrome

From: "Michael J. Onofrio" <monofrio@mail.coin.missouri.edu>

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 10:37:01 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Michael J. Onofrio" <monofrio@mail.coin.missouri.edu>:



I have a shoulder tightness that will not go away...after months of

therapy..ibprophen therapy and time, I still deal with stiffness in the

trapisis sp[?] muscle..it is frustrating and tight. I think it started

when I weened myself off effexor [low dose for aniexty]. I am tense iguess

realize it at times. It may be tension based but I lead a stress reduced

life athought i can get worked up. 



My question is there a herb I can take long term to reduce stiffness. I

have tried kava but it gave me headaches..I tried 5htp but scared with the

new evidence of contamination. our there foods to avoid or just use a hot

pad and stretch out..I am frustrated because I want to get back to my life

without this problem. if you have info or web addresses that will address

this problem please write.

thanks Mike















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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Irritable bowel sydrome

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 01:52:30 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/8/98 11:37:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

monofrio@mail.coin.missouri.edu writes:



> I have a shoulder tightness that will not go away...after months of

>  therapy..ibprophen therapy and time, I still deal with stiffness in the

>  trapisis sp[?] muscle..it is frustrating and tight. I think it started

>  when I weened myself off effexor [low dose for aniexty]. I am tense iguess

>  realize it at times. It may be tension based but I lead a stress reduced

>  life athought i can get worked up. 

>  

>  My question is there a herb I can take long term to reduce stiffness. I

>  have tried kava but it gave me headaches..



Really?  What form of Kava and what else were you taking at the same time.

Lots of stuff out there in the "market place" is not put together by someone

who really gives a hoot about whether it works or what is in it - but there

are also many that are formulated by serious herbalists who do care - just be

careful and try to find one that is good. Ask questions at the store that you

go to.



Personally, I would suggest that you try a Kava/Valerian extract as opposed to

a kava pill or capsule and instead of doing a "loading dose" which will put

you to sleep, start with 5 drops or so a couple of times a day and work up

till you find a level that will ease the tension without putting you in la-la

land and reduce the anxiety at the same time. Get OFF the ibuprofen and the

other mind and body altering stuff too - or go to the library and look up the

side effects in the PDR and then get off it.  I would also rub a cayenne oil

/SJW oil blend all over the muscle group that is affected a couple of times a

day at a minimum, three times if it is convenient to do, and apply a little

wild yam cream or take the tincture internally to act as an anti-inflammatory

- and start the process with some of the Kloss liniment, (maybe with a little

wild yam added in to act as an anti-inflammatory) that was discussed on list a

couple of weeks ago alternating with the SJW/cayenne oil.  If you don't have

torn tendons or ligaments or some other underlying problem, this combination

should do the trick. If you have a bit of pain at the beginning some willow

bark should take the edge off that, but I suspect that the pain will subside

as the muscles get back to where they belong and the inflammation goes away.

hope this helps a little - 

Peter







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Licorice, was Re: Estrogen Production

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 07:39:26 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:15:53 -0500, "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net> wrote

to <herb@MyList.net>:



><<You said it was good for low blood sugar or low blood pressure or both?

>

>I don't know about blood sugar & licorice but the regular GL kind is good

>for low blood pressure, adrenal glands, & other things. Research on the herb

>&/or a practitioners advise is important before trying this herb in my

>opinion.



Only the Eurasian species have the blood pressure increasing effect. Dig up your

local American species (Glycyrrhiza lepidota) and you can take it to your hearts

content for your adrenals. 

No risk for high blood pressure people with long-term use of that herb.



And that licorice scare (to deglycyrrhize or not to, that's the question) is

quite off the wall, in my opinion. It takes a -long- time, and -large- amounts

before your bp goes higher with licorice. Folks with high blood pressure know

their danger signs, and if they do actually use their common sense (instead of

just letting it sit there) then there is no danger.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Licorice, was Re: Estrogen Production

From: natural <natural@wt.net>

Date: Thu, 08 Oct 1998 22:34:57 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from natural <natural@wt.net>:



Henrietta:  I totally agree with you and have first hand experience.  After 7 years

of prednisone use; started using Glycyrrhiza along with other herbs, had low BP and

even after 9 months, BP did not increase.



Rosie Lloyd

natural@wt.net



> To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

>

> On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 20:15:53 -0500, "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net> wrote

> to <herb@MyList.net>:

>

> ><<You said it was good for low blood sugar or low blood pressure or both?

> >

> >I don't know about blood sugar & licorice but the regular GL kind is good

> >for low blood pressure, adrenal glands, & other things. Research on the herb

> >&/or a practitioners advise is important before trying this herb in my

> >opinion.

>

> Only the Eurasian species have the blood pressure increasing effect. Dig up your

> local American species (Glycyrrhiza lepidota) and you can take it to your hearts

> content for your adrenals.

> No risk for high blood pressure people with long-term use of that herb.

>

> And that licorice scare (to deglycyrrhize or not to, that's the question) is

> quite off the wall, in my opinion. It takes a -long- time, and -large- amounts

> before your bp goes higher with licorice. Folks with high blood pressure know

> their danger signs, and if they do actually use their common sense (instead of

> just letting it sit there) then there is no danger.

>

> Henriette

>

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Acne

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 09:20:39 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



In acne  the body is trying to push wastes out of the body via the skin.

Whiteheads have white blood cells fighting to surround the toxins and

push them out before they can harm the body.   Clay poultices or plant

poultices can help draw out toxins faster, but must be watched so they

won't just sit there and clog the pores.  Dry brush massage, followed by

a shower, can help stimulate the skin and open the pores to get the

wastes out of the body.  Astringents like witch hazel and tannin-rich

herbs used topically can clear the surface so pores will be open, but

should be used gently so the acid and "good" bacterial mantles won't be

destroyed.  Stripping the skin excessively can cause it to overproduce

oils in response (which is why soaps and shampoos designed for dry skin

and hair are often better for people with oily hair and skin.)



But where are the wastes coming from?  Hormone fluctuations are normal in

puberty and can  interfere with the feedback mechanisms of the hormonal

loops until some homeostasis is reached in young adulthood.  Hormone

fluctuations also affect the normal processing of toxins from dietary

indiscretions and metabolic wastes.  The liver plays a primary role in

hormone production and regulation.  The liver will not work if it is

clogged with fats, although it requires the essential fatty acids (which

are missing from many modern foods.)  So giving the liver a respite from

fats is especially useful.  A low fat diet that also contains EFAs from

non-farmed salmon, ground flax seed, ground evening primrose seed, and

other sources is key.  Lemon water (1/2 freshly squeezed lemon in a

little water) each morning can stimulate liver function.  Taking a

vegetable fast -one day a week and a week-long twice a year to eat only

vegetables and soups can also clear out the liver.  



Then there are those dietary indiscretions, which include toxins,

excesses and omissions.  Avoiding toxic junk foods, artificial colors and

flavors, food grade plastics (which thicken  McDonald's milk shakes),

pesticide-laden foods, hormone-treated meats and dairy and associated

junk means that the body will not have to work so hard to process toxins

when it is also dealing with those fluctuating hormones and metabolic

wastes.  Secondly are the excesses- in both quantity and quality. 

Thirdly are the omissions.  Our food supply is extremely demineralized: 

Paul Bergner suggests that an apple a day in the 1920s provided the

equivalent minerals of  27 apples today.  Zinc in particular affects

acne, but a host of minerals like magnesium and the trace minerals are

involved in associated metabolic processes, and these are increasingly

ending up in the sea as we strip mine agricultural land, prevent floods

from fertilizing land and flush our wastes downstream. And preservation

techniques, irradiation, cold storage and shipping foods across the

country or world means that dietary enzyme levels are lower than those

found when people grew their own food.



Kelp, nettles, violet leaves, kale, wild mustards and garlic are good

sources of minerals and should be included in the diet, along with sea

salt and sea food.  Burdock, artichoke, Oregon grape, yellow dock and

dandelion root are cleansing to the liver and will help clear the skin. 

Garlic, curry (tumeric with pepper for optimum penetration), milk thistle

and schisandra are liver protective.  Vitex and red clover can help

balance the hormones in an individually-designed balancing program.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Wed, 7 Oct 1998 21:22:42 -0400 j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

writes:

>

> >are there any herbs of any sort that can aid in clearing up acne?



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To: HERB@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Irritable Bowel Syndrome

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 12:04:16 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Elfreem@aol.com:



Mary Winston Wrote:



<<

There are several chinese herbal blends available that go by names such as

"Muscle Relax Tea".  When I had IBS, it seemed to reduce the number of

attacks if taken regularly.  Black Cohosh is an anti-spasmodic (I was taking

it anyway for peri-menopausal bleeding) and so is Lobelia.  A valerian and

hops blend also seemed to help if taken just when I felt an attack coming

on.  Another thing that would help at this stage, is the application of an

ice pack (I used to sleep with mine as most of my

attacks started late evening).  Even just applying pressure to the area of

the abdomen where the pain usually concentrates, can interrupt the cycle and

prevent the intestine from going into full blown spasming.

<snip>



Peppermint oil is an old remedy as well ...and some information has been

disseminated in allopathic circles. A recent article appeared in the American

Journal of Gastroenterology 1998;93:1131-35 entitled "Peppermint Oil for

Irritable Bowel Syndrome: A Critical Review and Metaanalysis."



Eight randomized, controlled trials were identified with five placebo-

controlled

tirals supporting use of the oil. A few methodological flaws were found in the

studies so the conclusion was the role of peppermint oil in the symptomatic 

treatment of IBS was not established beyond a reasonable doubt. Translated 

..this means it seems to be a remedy, but we can't prove it because the

trials weren't done to perfection.





Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Herb/Nutrition Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





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To: Herb list <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Schizandra

From: jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 11:50:08 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>:



I was formulating some herbs for my father and was looking at Schizandra. I 

noticed it was listed in a group of herbs that contain tannins. How 

astringent is this herb? I would like to add it to the formula but do not 

know the astringency. I tend to believe it is not that astringent since it 

says in the text that western society is starting to use this herb as a 

adaptogen, but I do not know what the astringency really is. I was going to 

mix it with Ho sho wu and some panax ginseng, along with some other herbs I 

have not figured yet. Pretty sure it will be with some Reishi and licorice 

root.   Thanks       John







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Neem

From: bonbon1947@webtv.net (Bonnie Davis)

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 19:41:42 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from bonbon1947@webtv.net (Bonnie Davis):



I've been doing a lot of reading about vit/herbs to help prevent

recurring cancer.  Yesterday I got a vit/herb catalog in the mail and

ran across neem.  I looked it up on the net and found a lot of good

info.



Does anyone on the list have experience with neem relative to cancer or

other diseases?  It has many uses and  appears to be a good natural

healer.   TIA.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Neem

From: Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 10:30:16 +0100

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Belinda Francis <m0116c00@mcmail.com>:



Bonnie Davis wrote:

> I've been doing a lot of reading about vit/herbs to help prevent

> recurring cancer.  Yesterday I got a vit/herb catalog in the mail and

> ran across neem.  I looked it up on the net and found a lot of good

> info. Does anyone on the list have experience with neem relative to 

> cancer or other diseases?



Check out Ayurvedic sites for more information.  Neem has a long history

of use in Ayurvedic herbal medicine.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Neem

From: "M.T. DABBAGH" <MTD@zajil.net>

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 06:05:08 +0300

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "M.T. DABBAGH" <MTD@zajil.net>:



Hi everybody....

I'm new here in this list.....and I'm doing undergradulation research about Neem

( Azadirachtin indica)..and the relationship between it and the human body...



As i know, it acts as anti-viral, anti-bacterial,anti-inflammatory,anti-fungul,

anti-fertility, and anti-tumor agents....so if any one have more information

that can help me, please contact me.....

                   my regards

                                         M T D



P.S  I already contact NEEM FOUNDATION.. any one knows other organization...?









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: faqs

From: "Richard & Cyndi Ask" <ask@gtii.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 21:37:22 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Richard & Cyndi Ask" <ask@gtii.com>:



How do you get the FAQs for this list?



Richard







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: faqs

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 8 Oct 1998 22:22:04 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



read the bottom of Henriette's posts...the FAQ is on her website:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives



Joanie



>How do you get the FAQs for this list?

>Richard









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Drying Herbs

From: "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov>

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:00:03 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Michelle I. Cook" <m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov>:



Hi Everyone;

I would like to know what is the best way to dry herbs? After the harvest,

how do

I dry them for grinding, for tea, for capsules,etc. Is there a different

process for

tea as opposed to the process for making capsules? Thank you for you

assistance.



Blessings and Good Health;

Michelle









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Drying Herbs

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:19:02 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/9/98 9:57:43 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

m.i.cook@larc.nasa.gov writes:



<< Hi Everyone;

 I would like to know what is the best way to dry herbs? After the harvest,

 how do

 I dry them for grinding, for tea, for capsules,etc. Is there a different

 process for

 tea as opposed to the process for making capsules? Thank you for you

 assistance.

 

 Blessings and Good Health;

 Michelle >>



Hi Michelle -



I use a few different methods depending on what I want to do.  I have drying

racks (old converted cookie racks) that I lay them out on to dry if I am going

to crumble them up for teas.  I hang some up if it is damp and I need a good

air flow, again to crumble up for teas,etc.



Then for herbs I want to powder, I grind them up in the cusinart and spread

out on flat baskets so the air flow still gets to them.  But these seem to

powder better.  Those I use for encapsulations.  Then I just take a mortar and

pestle and grind them up when they are good and dry.  BTW the small plastic

encapsulators work great!  50 caps in 15minutes.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

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Subject: worst migraine

From: Anne <anne@gate.net>

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:58:58 -0400 (EDT)

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Hello,

I have the worst migraine I've probably ever had. I am going to see a

neurologist soon as these are happening *way* too often and my migraines

are usually triggered by stress and I have no stress right now. Anyhow,

I've tried Feverfew but it makes me nauseous, aspirin isn't good because I

take way too much and nothing else helps. Cammomile tea helps a lot but I

can't drink it constantly or I'll fall asleep at work. Anyone have any

suggestions that get rid of migraines fast? I know there are things that

prevent them, but I've had this one for two days and every time I think

it's gone it comes back..ughh..



Thanks for any ideas you may have! :)

Anne



 







anne@gate.net 







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: worst migraine

From: "Gail Freeman" <freeman@sktc.net>

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:10:08 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Gail Freeman" <freeman@sktc.net>:



> Anyone have any

> suggestions that get rid of migraines fast? I know there are things that

> prevent them, but I've had this one for two days and every time I think

> it's gone it comes back..ughh..



Hello, Anne -

	I'm sorry to hear that you have a migraine.  As a fellow migraine

sufferer, I know how painful they are.  If this is the worst you've ever

had, you should probably call your doctor to be certain that a migraine is

all it is.  If so, try ice packs on your head on the side where it hurts. 

If you're nauseated, peppermint tea will help ( one drop of the eo in a cup

of hot tea), and a heat pad on your tummy may help, too.  If the ice

doesn't help, try the heat on your head.  Ice helps my migraines, and heat

helps my best friend.    I find lavender eo massaged into the temples and

above the ear on the side that hurts helps me, also.  Maybe just by helping

me to relax, I don't know.  Valerian helps me to sleep.  My doctor has what

he calls a migraine "cocktail" that he gives for an intractable headache: 

painkiller, phenergan for nausea, DHE (ergotamine), and sometimes

prednisone to reduce the swelling and inflammation if the migraine has gone

on for some time.  There are several new migraine drugs just out this

summer, so ask your Dr. about them.  I've found them to be a lifesaver.  I

understand that some people are helped by Excedrine - enough so that the

FDA has given it's approval for it to be advertised as a migraine reliever.

 

	Do you think your migraines are influenced by the weather?  Many of mine

are stress related, I know, but the worst ones, the ones that WON'T go

away, are usually caused by a change in the weather, or a front coming

through.  My migraines are more accurate than the weatherman!

	Hope some of this helps - I'll be thinking of you.



Gail

Serendipity Soap & Sundries

mailtofreeman@sktc.net







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: worst migraine

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 12:59:55 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>:



Anne, I have suffered from Migraines and Tension Headaches for years. I

have low blood pressure as well.  It was found out by a Nutrionalist that I

was low on B Vitamins.  I began taking a B complex and also Pantothenic

Acid tablets (also a B vitamin) and they helped like you would not believe.

  When I feel one coming on I take two Pant. tablets right away and they do

help me.



This may just be me though, as I kind of have a weird body chemistry and it

took me years to get it more or less under control.  You might want to

check with your doctor or nutrionalist about the Vit. B thing though.



Just food for though,

Marcia Wilson

Journeywoman Herbalist

http://www.angelfire.com/mo/herbpages/index.html



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> From: Anne <anne@gate.net>

> To: herb@MyList.net

> Subject: worst migraine

> Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 9:58 AM

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Anne <anne@gate.net>:

> 

> Hello,

> I have the worst migraine I've probably ever had. I am going to see a

> neurologist soon as these are happening *way* too often and my migraines

> are usually triggered by stress and I have no stress right now. Anyhow,

> I've tried Feverfew but it makes me nauseous, aspirin isn't good because

I

> take way too much and nothing else helps. Cammomile tea helps a lot but I

> can't drink it constantly or I'll fall asleep at work. Anyone have any

> suggestions that get rid of migraines fast? I know there are things that

> prevent them, but I've had this one for two days and every time I think

> it's gone it comes back..ughh..

> 

> Thanks for any ideas you may have! :)

> Anne

> 

>  

> 

> 

> 

> anne@gate.net 

> 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: worst migraine

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:02:31 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Try an infusion made from clematis panniculata or clematis taugetica

flowers.  (The dried bracts work too and they are available this time of

year.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 9 Oct 1998 10:58:58 -0400 (EDT) Anne <anne@gate.net> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Anne <anne@gate.net>:

>

>Hello,

>I have the worst migraine I've probably ever had. I am going to see a

>neurologist soon as these are happening *way* too often and my 

>migraines

>are usually triggered by stress and I have no stress right now. 

>Anyhow,

>I've tried Feverfew but it makes me nauseous, aspirin isn't good 

>because I

>take way too much and nothing else helps. Cammomile tea helps a lot 

>but I

>can't drink it constantly or I'll fall asleep at work. Anyone have any

>suggestions that get rid of migraines fast? I know there are things 

>that

>prevent them, but I've had this one for two days and every time I 

>think

>it's gone it comes back..ughh..

>

>Thanks for any ideas you may have! :)

>Anne

>

> 

>

>

>

>anne@gate.net 

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: worst migraine

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:07:55 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/9/98 10:59:21 AM Eastern Daylight Time, anne@gate.net

writes:



> work. Anyone have any

>  suggestions that get rid of migraines fast? I know there are things that

>  prevent them, but I've had this one for two days and every time I think

>  it's gone it comes back..ughh..



Have a cup of coffee - if it goes away - get a bottle of Kola nut extract and

do 10 -15 drops every 3-4 hours and slowly reduce the dosage till you are down

to none - and drink NO coffee for a month or more.



If the coffee makes it worse try 4 drops of Valerian, 10 drops of Kava ,3

drops of Ginger and 5 drops of white willow bark  in a glass of water every

couple of hours.  then at the first signs of an onset take some more.  It

should help.

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: worst migraine

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 19:33:33 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/9/98 2:13:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time, NEHrbSup@AOL.COM

writes:



<< Have a cup of coffee - if it goes away - get a bottle of Kola nut extract

and

 do 10 -15 drops every 3-4 hours and slowly reduce the dosage till you are

down

 to none - and drink NO coffee for a month or more.

 

 If the coffee makes it worse try 4 drops of Valerian, 10 drops of Kava ,3

 drops of Ginger and 5 drops of white willow bark  in a glass of water every

 couple of hours.  then at the first signs of an onset take some more.  It

 should help.

 peter

  >>

I ADD:



Peter's advice is right on target, as always.  However a few other things to

note here.  If you have any kind of head pain for longer than 48 hours it's

best to get it checked out.  If it is accompanied by loss of vision, blurred

vision, dizziness, nausea, swelling on one side of the face and neck (for the

first time and not usually with your headaches), or a pain that is unlike any

other you have had, plus a dip or a rise in your blood pressure, or heart

palpitations, you should go to a health professional for further observation

and treatment.  There is a limit to what we can expect to do for ourselves,

and oftentimes an objective observation from another professional will help.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: worst migraine

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:03:20 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Clematis is usually called Clematis, or Autumn bower.  A good illustrated

flower catalog like Wayside Gardens or White Flower Farm (nci) have

pictures and both names in latin and common names.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 22:50:59 -0500 Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>

writes:

>You are such a teacher. I could learn alot from you. Whee in the world

>would I find all these scientific names that would give me a clue as 

>to

>what the common name is, like in alphabetical order?

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Subject: Re: worst migraine

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 15:33:57 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 10:58 AM 10/9/98 -0400, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Anne <anne@gate.net>:

>

>Hello,

>I have the worst migraine I've probably ever had. I am going to see a

>neurologist soon as these are happening *way* too often and my migraines

>are usually triggered by stress and I have no stress right now. Anyhow,

>I've tried Feverfew but it makes me nauseous, aspirin isn't good because I

>take way too much and nothing else helps. Cammomile tea helps a lot but I

>can't drink it constantly or I'll fall asleep at work. Anyone have any

>suggestions that get rid of migraines fast? I know there are things that

>prevent them, but I've had this one for two days and every time I think

>it's gone it comes back..ughh..

>

>Thanks for any ideas you may have! :)

>Anne

>

ACUPUNCTURE!!!  Don't wait and don't waste your time with neurologists

(if you're SURE it's only migraines and not tumors or something else like

it).  

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

pinch them."

 **Marvin the Martian**

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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To: herb@MyList.net

From: Ken <alpine@ellensburg.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:56:49 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Ken <alpine@ellensburg.com>:





About 6 weeks ago, I picked and dried a bunch of St Johns Wart (Hypericum

perferatum).



My first degree was in range and wildlife habitat management (including an

extensive background in botany and weed management). But I am a rather

inexperienced herbalist (though I have studied ethnobotany). I know my

plants and what they are used for... but do not know how to prepare them.

For the St Johns Wart, I took the whole top 12-18 inches of the plant

(including flowers) and hung them upside down in a warm shaded area to dry

for several weeks until they were brittle.



My 3 questions are:



1) If the dried plant can be used as a tea, how much should I use in a cup

of hot water?



2) How long is the dried plant good for (it is stored in an airtight jar in

a cool environment).



3) How does one go about making a tinture?



Answers to any of the above would be greatly appreciated. I live in

Ellensburg, WA so if there is anyone nearby who could help, I would be

happy to share the herb and any knowledge I can. There are fields of the

stuff here in eastern washington where it is very definitely replacing the

indigenous plant species (which have been grazed by cattle).



If anyone has any questions about weed science, I will answer all that I

can. In the FAQs, I read about concern of a biological control agent

(bettles) being used to control St Johns Wart. Believe me, the bettles,

while they do eat the plant, can't possibly keep up with it. This plant is

well established throughout the west now and even if they eradicate a

pasture, populations in other areas (particularly remote areas on public

lands) will soon disperse their seed and insure that this plant will be

around for a VERY long time. The bettles are not a global treatment but a

local treatment. On Forest Service land, I have found huge meadows (having

been overgrazed by livestock) that were nothing but St Johns Wart. Acre

upon acre of the stuff.



When I seen this plant in the health food store for the first time... and

particularly the price... I nearly fell over laughing. Most people don't

know their plants and will pay good money - only to walk out of the store

and unknowingly stomp upon a fresh plant growing in the cracks of the

sidewalk outside the stores front door. That is not to say that people

should not buy from a local supply, they should if they don't know their

plants. But I just found it rather comical (and sad) that citified folks

(Seattle in this case) are so disconnected from their environment that they

can't even recognize the things in their natural environment anymore.

Ironically, this includes most "environmentalists".



-KJB







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To: Herbal List <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Smoking Cessation

From: Denise <denise@picoftheweb.com>

Date: Fri, 09 Oct 1998 11:42:36 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Denise <denise@picoftheweb.com>:



Hi all!  Anyone have any ideas on herbs that are good to aid in cutting

out the cigarettes?  I need some help..... doing better, and actually, I

think I'm more phycologically addicted than physically, so I may just

have to help myself, but any suggestions would be appreciated.  I've

heard of Lobelia, but haven't tried it.  Any ideas for me today?  I'm

working very hard to get myself as healthy as I can through diet,

exercise and herbs...... just have a couple of terrible habits to kick

along the way....



Thanks!



Denise

denise@picoftheweb.com







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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Smoking Cessation

From: "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 13:49:57 -0500 

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To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:



Hi! I quit in January this year after 35 years of heavy-duty

consumption. Here's what worked for me:

I got the Nicorette gum from a pharmacy. I used that as per directions,

which helped wean me from the actual cigarettes. However I found that

although I was not smoking, I was still feeding my nicotine habit.

After going through the first pack of gum, I got one more - it's called,

I think, a maintenance kit - about half the dose and fewer pieces. I

started trying to go longer without, and use fewer. But now I was

getting anxious and wondering how I could deal with going off entirely.

Then I found out about herbal cigarettes. There's a brand called Herbal

Gold, also some others, amazingly enough I found them at a tobacconist!

They are made of alfalfa, red clover etc... a variety of relatively

benign herbs. 

What they are good for is to help you get over the habit part of

smoking. I found out through experience and through reading (do a lot of

research on the Net)that the nicotine levels go down fairly quickly, but

you still get "nicotine fits" for weeks or months after quitting. I

smoked herbal cigarettes for several weeks while I was tapering off on

the nicotine gum, thus reducing my dependence on it, yet I still had

something I could think of as smoking for a while. After a few weeks,

and with less and less nicotine in my system, the herbal cigs became

less and less appealing - they are NOTHING like smoking a real one, and

really don't do a lot for you in any way. The big thing is, they help

you wean off the motor part of smoking - always having something to do

with your hands, always checking where your smokes are when you go out

or get in the car, talking on the phone, etc.



After a few weeks of this I was down to just a couple a day and soon I

got to the point where I could say that wanting to get my lungs clean

again was more important than the lingering desire.



Not to try and make this sound like it's an easy process - it's not, and

you have to be really committed or you WILL end up smoking again. 

A couple of cautions I've seen other people saying and will pass on:

1. Be careful what dose and how much you use if you go with the gum.

Depends on how much you are smoking when you start. Pharmacist should be

able to help you figure out where to start.

2. If you go with herbal cigarettes I recommend Herbal Gold brand. I

tried another kind which I actually enjoyed more (which is NOT a good

thing in this case!)but on reading the ingredient list discovered it

contains cloves ( which are probably as bad to smoke as tobacco) and

also some coltsfoot, which contains a potent carcinogen (pyrrolizidine

alkaloids). I wouldn't recommend them (can't recall name). Bottom line -

as always, be careful, and take responsibility for what you're putting

into your system.

3. I researched the lobelia thing and was a little scared  off by some

peoples' anecdotes and experiences. Howie Brounstein advocates it but he

also warns against overdosing - it can be extremely toxic. (Check his

web site http://www.teleport.com/~howieb/howie.html). Others warn

against it (I think Michael Miller of the Southwest School of Botanical

Medicine warns against it). (http://herb.com/herbal.htm). If you're into

herbal medicine generally here's a site where you can find a lot of

information (I'm still debating how trustworthy some of it is, and they

ARE trying to sell their products, so surf at your own risk to:

http://www.viable-herbal.com/prodindx.htm. Do more searching for

yourself - use either "quit smoking" or "herbal cigarettes" as search

keys and you will find multiple sites with huge amounts of info,

products designed to help quit, advice, etc. etc. One suggestion from me

is that you might want to look at taking ginseng for a few months anyway

while you're going through the quitting process, and possibly bolster

with a combo of St. John's Wort and Kava Kava to help with any feelings

of loss, depression, anxiety etc. (As I said before, do a lot of reading

and thinking about this - these suggestions are pretty controversial to

most people!) If it helps you judge what I'm saying, I'm taking ginseng,

SJW and Kava myself, for a variety of reasons - didn't know anything

about them when I quit tobacco, but I think it might have made the whole

trip a little easier.



I also moved from standard American omnivore diet to strict vegetarian -

almost but not quite Vegan. Main focus right now is ZERO added fat. Not

even oil in salad dressing - lime juice and vinegar. Zero eggs, dairy,

meat of any sort, inc. fish and poultry.



Finally, I began walking a little every day after I quit; got up To 3

miles a day, and just a couple of weeks ago moved on from that to my

Nordic Trac ski machine that I haven't used for the last 10 years. I am

feeling better as time goes by, but it is tough!



Hope this helps. I wish you the best of luck - this is probably the

single most important health decision anyone will ever make in my

opinion. Go for it!



Robin Boulton



> -----Original Message-----

> From: owner-herb@MyList.net [mailto:owner-herb@MyList.net]On Behalf Of

> Denise

> Sent: Friday, October 09, 1998 11:43 AM

> To: Herbal List

> Subject: Smoking Cessation

> 

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Denise <denise@picoftheweb.com>:

> 

> Hi all!  Anyone have any ideas on herbs that are good to aid 

> in cutting

> out the cigarettes?  I need some help..... doing better, and 

> actually, I

> think I'm more phycologically addicted than physically, so I may just

> have to help myself, but any suggestions would be appreciated.  I've

> heard of Lobelia, but haven't tried it.  Any ideas for me today?  I'm

> working very hard to get myself as healthy as I can through diet,

> exercise and herbs...... just have a couple of terrible habits to kick

> along the way....

> 

> Thanks!

> 

> Denise

> denise@picoftheweb.com

> 

> 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Smoking Cessation

From: KaiforChi@aol.com

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 04:46:02 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from KaiforChi@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-09 14:54:21 EDT, Robin Boulton writes:



<<Hi! I quit in January this year after 35 years of heavy-duty

 consumption.



**Thanks! That gives me great hope!



<< Here's what worked for me: I got the Nicorette gum from a pharmacy...



** A problem if one can not chew gum...



<< Then I found out about herbal cigarettes. ...What they are good for is to

help you get over the habit part of smoking. 



** Yes, there is something about the "smoking" aspect.



<<... After a few weeks, and with less and less nicotine in my system, the

herbal cigs became less and less appealing - they are NOTHING like smoking a

real one, and really don't do a lot for you in any way. The big thing is, they

help

you wean off the motor part of smoking - always having something to do

with your hands, always checking where your smokes are when you go out

or get in the car, talking on the phone, etc.



** Yes, but when smoking "something"--i.e., a non-nicotine herb such as Indian

Tobacco or other herbals--and you don't get that nicotine relief, you *know*

it. This has been very difficult for me.

 

<<..After a few weeks of this I was down to just a couple a day and soon I

 got to the point where I could say that wanting to get my lungs clean

 again was more important than the lingering desire.



**Wow! Only a few weeks! That gives me hope again! Thanks!

 

<<... Not to try and make this sound like it's an easy process...



**No, it is not, at least not for people who have smoked since an early age. 



<<...2. If you go with herbal cigarettes I recommend Herbal Gold brand. I

 tried another kind which I actually enjoyed more...



**That is one of my probs--I *enjoy* smoking.



<<...the lobelia thing ...



**I actually almost find lobelia (liquid) to be quite similar to the tobacco

taste--but, boy, how do we find that sucking and blowing satisfaction (NOT

asking for presidue jokes, ok?)?



<<... taking ginseng for a few months anyway

 while you're going through the quitting process, and possibly bolster

 with a combo of St. John's Wort and Kava Kava to help with any feelings

 of loss, depression, anxiety etc. 



**in what forms do you take SJW and KK? Pills, tea?



 << I also moved from standard American omnivore diet to strict vegetarian -

 almost but not quite Vegan. Main focus right now is ZERO added fat. Not

 even oil in salad dressing - lime juice and vinegar. Zero eggs, dairy,

 meat of any sort, inc. fish and poultry.



**Whoa, if I have to give up cigs, then I surely don't want to give up cheese!

That makes me crave both just thinking about it!

 

<<... Finally, I began walking a little every day ...



**Yes, exercise definitely helps!

 

<<..this is probably the single most important health decision anyone will

ever make in my opinion. Go for it!



**Yes, and the most difficult. I have tried it for decades with a full variety

of techniques. What is bizarre is that I have no problem vowing to not smoke

during the day, but, if I know I don't have any "emergency" cigs around, I go

nuts! Then, as soon as I'm on the road to home, or at home, that is what I

want. Sheesh, I may be a basket case :(

 

aargh...

 

 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: SJW

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:12:47 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Ken-



You can make an infusion (strong tea) from the dried flowers.  I like an

ounce per quart for a strong medicinal dose, infused in boiling water

(turned off and covered) for at least 4 hours, but for less medicinal

effect, 2 Tbsp per cup of water for 15 minutes will do.  The dried herb

should last 6 months to a year if kept airtight and in the dark, but you

may need to increase the dosage after 6 months. The purist way is to keep

herbs no more than 3 months. Don't crumble the herb until you want to use

it. 



It is actually better to use the fresh plant for tinctures.  Cut the

flowering tops with not too much greenery (3") and put in an equal

quantity of grain alcohol for a month.  After a few weeks you might swirl

it in a vitamix and expose to sunlight, then keep infusing until a month

or two has passed.  Strain and it is ready.



I'm visiting Richland over Christmas.  My father is a recently retired

arid land ecology researcher with Battelle.  



Commercialization may do what grazing or beetles cannot in controlling

SJW.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 09 Oct 1998 08:56:49 -0700 Ken <alpine@ellensburg.com> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Ken <alpine@ellensburg.com>:

>

>

>About 6 weeks ago, I picked and dried a bunch of St Johns Wart 

>(Hypericum

>perferatum).

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: SJW

From: "Astroweezil" <astroweezil@methow.com>

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 11:15:30 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from "Astroweezil" <astroweezil@methow.com>:



Robin's correct here.  I'm in Washington State, and it's considered a

"noxious weed".  Can you believe that??



Amber



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> From: boulton, robin <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>

> To: herb@MyList.net

> Subject: RE: SJW

> Date: Friday, October 09, 1998 12:05 PM

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin"

<rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:

> 

> You might want to ensure before you consume it that it hasn't been

> sprayed with noxious chemicals in an attempt to eradicate it - check if

> you're in one of the areas where it's considered a pest - some parts of

> California nad Washington state I'd heard the government had launched

> eradication programs.

> 

> > -----Original Message-----

> > To herb@MyList.net from Ken <alpine@ellensburg.com>:

> > 

> > About 6 weeks ago, I picked and dried a bunch of St Johns 

> > Wort (Hypericum perforatum).

> 

> (snip)

> 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: SJW

From: "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 14:05:52 -0500 

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To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:



You might want to ensure before you consume it that it hasn't been

sprayed with noxious chemicals in an attempt to eradicate it - check if

you're in one of the areas where it's considered a pest - some parts of

California nad Washington state I'd heard the government had launched

eradication programs.



> -----Original Message-----

> To herb@MyList.net from Ken <alpine@ellensburg.com>:

> 

> About 6 weeks ago, I picked and dried a bunch of St Johns 

> Wort (Hypericum perforatum).



(snip)







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: SJW

From: awilloby@enternet.co.nz

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 09:56:42 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from awilloby@enternet.co.nz:



Hi



> Robin's correct here.  I'm in Washington State, and it's considered a

> "noxious weed".  Can you believe that??



Yes, it is almost that in New Zealand also.  You are not permitted to 

propagate it ($5000 fine!) but you can still have it growing in your 

garden.



Alan





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To: <anne@gate.net>, "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re:  Worst Migraine

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 9 Oct 1998 22:50:34 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



Migraine headaches can be caused by a lack of Magnesium or Calcium.  This

occurs because a lack of either of these minerals can cause the muscles in

the back of the neck to tighten and not be able to relax.  This restricts

blood flow to the brain; so the cranial blood vessels dilate to compensate.

This places pressure on the brain and voi la - migraine.



You can prevent the headache, if you do the following when you first sense

one coming on.  Take 100-400 mg of elemental Magnesium which will allow the

muscles in the back of the neck to relax within a minute or two.  If the

Magnesium doesn't bring relief immediately, take 600-1000 mg of Calcium.

Calcium must go thru the digestive process, so expect the results to take up

to 4 hours to manifest.  Although you can try the above after you are in the

midst of a full-blown migraine, I find it seldom will completely stop the

pain.  You just have to ride it out, at that point.



To prevent recurrence you will probably want to take a supplement regularly,

or increase the amount of magnesium rich foods/herbs in your diet.  That

would be things like dark green vegetables, nuts, beans, legumes, whole

grains, seafood and dairy products.  The herbs highest in Magnesium are

Irish Moss, Oatstraw, Tumeric Seed, Licorice Root, Kelp, Nettle Leaf and

Senna Leaf.



Marie Winston

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Worst Migraine

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 00:47:49 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/9/98 10:55:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

b.winston@worldnet.att.net writes:



> Migraine headaches can be caused by a lack of Magnesium or Calcium.  <snip>

This restricts blood flow to the brain; so the cranial blood vessels dilate to

compensate.

>  This places pressure on the brain and voi la - migraine.

>  

>  You can prevent the headache, if you do the following when you first sense

>  one coming on.  Take 100-400 mg of elemental Magnesium which will allow the

>  muscles in the back of the neck to relax within a minute or two.  If the

>  Magnesium doesn't bring relief immediately, take 600-1000 mg of Calcium.

>  Calcium must go thru the digestive process, so expect the results to take

up

>  to 4 hours to manifest.  Although you can try the above after you are in

the

>  

Since we had just covered this a short bit ago, I didn't think (probably

incorrectly) that it needed to be redone, but magnesium is WHERE I start when

someone complains about headaches of any sort.  "here take these and call me

in 20 minutes" 



  There are so many toxins that we ingest every day that wind up binding to

receptor sites and blocking the body's "natural" process for maintaining

stasis.  When we can'' utilize these receptors because they have visiting

"friends" like mercury, cadmium, tin and aluminum, etc., we need to supplement

just to get what the body needs to maintain a basic level.  More often than

not in one of these situations 43 servings of good magnesium rich food won't

do the trick.  You need the extra boos of a supplement.  On the magnesium,

there are a number out there like magnesium oxide that are good for making

pure white paint and for chelating some of the garbage metals out, but if you

want to get "elemental" magnesium on a cellular level (which IS what you want)

you need to take the forms that are easily assimilated and not just something

that will go through you and take some of your guests with it.  My first

choice is magnesium citrate which not a lot of the store shelves have.  Solgar

(NCI) has a good one.

Peter





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Balm of Gilead

From: " Glenbrook Farm" <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:55:53 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from " Glenbrook Farm" <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



Could someone tell me what to do with Balm of Gilead buds?

I have not worked with this before.  What can I do with it?



Lucinda Jenkins

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Balm of Gilead

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:01:06 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:55:53 -0700, " Glenbrook Farm"

<jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com> wrote to <herb@MyList.net>:



>Could someone tell me what to do with Balm of Gilead buds?

>I have not worked with this before.  What can I do with it?



An oil or a tincture. I guess yours are dry, as resinous Populus buds (= balm of

gilead buds) are in season in midwinter, when you walk all bundled up, and it

says crunch crunch crunch under your boots from all the snow. 



The fresh buds contain simply -loads- of resins (they really almost drip resins

when you take them in from the cold), so if you tincture them use 95 % EtOH. Do

that even if they're dry, as the resin doesn't evaporate, it just dries out. If

you pick your own be aware that the resin seems to lock water into the buds, and

you need to dry them at least 5 times as long as anything else, or you'll have a

nice batch of mold in your glass jar. Your best bet is to make your preparation

fresh, then you won't have that mold problem.



If you make an infused oil, be aware that that resin -will- stain your

containers, and it's difficult to get them clean. You can do it, but it takes

time. The oil will keep indefinitely without addition of preservatives (like

vit. E). If you can stand the taste/smell, you can even use infused oil of balm

of gilead as a preservative for your other oils. Larrea (Creosote) will do that,

too, but it's got that same problem - taste, and smell.



A balm of gilead oil is a strange beast in that it both cools and heats. It

numbs out pain and works as an anti-inflammatory, but it'll still bring blood to

the bodypart you've applied it to. Very good for deep muscle aches, and nice for

just about any bodyache in general.



The tincture used internally (instead of applied topically, which you can also

do), is nice, but you can use meadowsweet flowers (Filipendula), Populus bark,

Birch inner bark, Salix bark, Alnus bark etc. too - lots of plants do the same

as Balm of gilead buds internally. Not many do the same externally. 



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Balm of Gilead

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:17:33 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 13:01:06 GMT, HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress) wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>An oil or a tincture. I guess yours are dry, as resinous Populus buds (= balm of

>gilead buds) are in season in midwinter, when you walk all bundled up, and it

>says crunch crunch crunch under your boots from all the snow. 



An addendum: not all Populus species yield balm of gilead buds. What you want is

a north-country tree which has resinous leaf-buds, sort of an anti-freeze, in

mid-winter. These poplars and aspens are ready to go much earlier than other

trees, because their buds don't freeze.



So if you've got eg. Populus balsamifera in your neck of the woods you're in

luck, because that's one of the species with resinous buds.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Balm of Gilead

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 19:22:31 -0400

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Infuse the balm of Gilead buds in olive oil.  (We use it as an anointing

oil in our curch healing services.)  It can also be tinctured in alcohol.



Karen Vaughan

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On Sat, 10 Oct 1998 06:55:53 -0700 " Glenbrook Farm"

<jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from " Glenbrook Farm" <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:

>

>Could someone tell me what to do with Balm of Gilead buds?

>I have not worked with this before.  What can I do with it?

>

>Lucinda Jenkins

>Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

>Bulk Herbs, Spices, Fine Teas &Soaps

>http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/

>



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To: "herb@MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: gout: looking for some relief

From: snowshoe@prtc.net (snowshoe)

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 16:01:32 -0300

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To herb@MyList.net from snowshoe@prtc.net (snowshoe):



List friends;

	I Have a permanent swelling of the joint above my right large toe which

makes even wearing an oversized shoe painful. Gout is the prime suspect

because of a history (45 years of alcoholic drinking) sober now for

seven years. I am open for any suggestion on relief. I qualify for VA

hospital treatment but my experience with them puts them on the bottom

of my options list. Surgery is at the absolute bottom of the list.

	My present location is in Puerto Rico, any known local herbs or foods

would be most desirable, Off island sources considered when local things

cannot be utilized.

Replies accepted here on the list or direct. snowshoe@prtc.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: gout: looking for some relief

From: Kerry Wooster <kerryw@hctc.net>

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 21:51:27 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Kerry Wooster <kerryw@hctc.net>:



snowshoe wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from snowshoe@prtc.net (snowshoe):

> 

> List friends;

>         I Have a permanent swelling of the joint above my right large toe which



6-18 cherries per day are supposed to relieve gout.

Kerry

-- 



cya,



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the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Rev. 14:12



A prudent man forseeth the evil, and hides himself:

but the simple pass on, and are punished. Prov 22:3









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: gout: looking for some relief

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sat, 10 Oct 1998 23:27:16 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/10/98 4:32:44 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

snowshoe@prtc.net writes:



<< My present location is in Puerto Rico, any known local herbs or foods

 would be most desirable, Off island sources considered when local things

 cannot be utilized.

 Replies accepted here on the list or direct. snowshoe@prtc.net

  >>



I ADD:



I have been bothered with gout off and on for the past year.  I did several

things that helped.  I changed my diet and cut out a lot of acidic, rich

foods.  Then I went on a regular cleansing program.



I used celery seed tincture which worked for awhile.  Then I grew and used

Perilla herb, which I dried and made into a tea.  Black cherry juice also

helped each day.



One of the best things though was to make a decoction of hydrangea root and

apple cider.  You take 5 cups of apple cider to one quarter to one third of a

cup of hydrangea root.  Let sit overnight in refrigerator.  Then boil it down

the next day for about a half hour on a low flame.  Then I let it sit to cool,

strain, and bottle.  My dose was three wine glassfulls a day.  You can also

make a formentation by soaking a bit of flannel or towling in the decoction

and applying directly to the sore area.



One of the posts that helped me greatly was when Karen said she had gotten

acupuncture treatments for her gout.  I finally had to go and do that, and now

I am supplementing those treatments with the hydrangea.  There is a caution

about this herb.  It should not be used past 3 months duration because it can

be toxic in large amounts.  So during that three months change your diet, do

the cleansing, drink plenty of water but not with your meals because it will

wash away the digestive enzymes you need to properly work on your system.

Also ice water tends to shut down the pancreas at mealtime so be careful of

that. 



Also begin to read anything and everything you can on this condition.  Those

who make it into AA frequently suffer from gout as it goes hand in hand with

the consumption of alcohol and the way the digestive system shuts down when

too much alcohol is consumed.  I can't stress enough about diet.  It is one of

the prime offenders of this condition.



Hope this helps you -

Mary



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: gout: looking for some relief

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:04:17 -0400 (EDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



At 04:01 PM 10/10/98 -0300, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from snowshoe@prtc.net (snowshoe):

>

>List friends;

>	I Have a permanent swelling of the joint above my right large toe which

>makes even wearing an oversized shoe painful. Gout is the prime suspect



My heartfelt sympathy to you. My husband had his first attack four years

ago. Then two years ago and one a year since. My entreaties for diet change

are only partially heeded. There is a great deal of info on the web, using

search engines; and I add my own thoughts from osteoarthritis papers from

John Hopkins(yes, gout is a form of arthritis); the "Prescription for

Nutritional Healing" by Balch and Balch; and most certainly Theodasakis'

book on glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin sulfate (what 's the title?

someone help me here please) have all given good and extremely helpful

advice. Whatever I say in this post is of the nature of anecdote, I don't

claim any expertise other than self-training from documents, periodicals,

books, and anecdotal material, and you should therefore apply yourself to

educating and verifying anything I relate.



In lieu of a near vegetarian diet of grain, beans (legumes), raw seeds and

nuts, plus no more than a pound of low cholesterol turkey breast, wild fish,

and soy products (he does buck and snort a lot, but tries, bless him) I try

to urge him to consume lots and lots of raw vegetables, salads, and root

crops,(carrots, beets, kohlrabi) preferably blended into a tasty slurry with

fresh fruit, (cherries--frozen better than none-- and pineapple are thought

to be helpful for gout, by the 10 oz glassful of freshly juiced fruit)and I

add to his nutritional intake:celery seed extract tablets, Barlean's

flaxseed oil, MSM crystals (Methyl sulphanyl methane) and

multivitamin-mineral support, with extra vit.E and C. (He claims he rattles

when he walks).(He exaggerates). (He schlusses).



The pharmaceutical aids--alapurinol (Xylorprim) --and particularly

colchicine-- concern me, in that they can have some rugged side effects, and

do not cure.The main problem will blow your mind: colchicine stops the pain.

For a while. Good, right?? Everything's ok. Baloney!!! You have covered it

up for a while while it REALLY starts digging in. Many, many of these

medicines only spray perfume on the B.O. At least the regimen above has a

chance of halting progress, even slightly of reversing it. I must ask, you

didn't seem to be certain of your diagnosis,for which should have fluid

drawn from the joint and tested. Now Im going to scare you: if you indeed

have gout, this is not just a painful joint you are dealing with. This is a

devastating progressive disease , that can attack soft tissues like kidneys

( and that's that, folks). It is imperative that you educate yourself, and

as you say,try not put yourself entirely in the hands of contemporary

medicine, without investigating all alternatives. And listen up,

please...this diet and lifestyle is NOT the end of the good life. No. You

will be absolutely astounded at how good you feel after a month. Oh yes you

can, you can do this for a month. The alternative is just to horrible to be

countenanced.Then, after a measley month, let's talk some more.



You are in the drivers seat, but only if you STUDY the facts, which are out

there, and then give in to the present state of knowledge, and exercise, eat

sensibly and simply, eschew booze and fat. Simple. Simply awful, for spoiled

americans. 



Addendum: for MY kind of arthritis, which is infinitely better, I find that

when I overdo--gardening, lifting my 45# dogs, or the 5 gal lug of water

onto the stand, etc...at my age!!!, absurd...Zostrix topical cream relieves,

andso does Hyland's "arthritis" tablet under the tongue, every 4 hours as

needed. And now my joints can recover from mistreatment in just 24-48 hours

and I can do Walmart without ill effect. That just about says it all <grin>.



Good luck.



Pat









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: gout: looking for some relief

From: Ingrid Kast Fuller <ingrid@cityscope.net>

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 14:08:08 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Ingrid Kast Fuller <ingrid@cityscope.net>:



snowshoe wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from snowshoe@prtc.net (snowshoe):

> 

> List friends;

>         I Have a permanent swelling of the joint above my right large

> toe which

> makes even wearing an oversized shoe painful. Gout is the prime

> suspect

> because of a history (45 years of alcoholic drinking) sober now for

> seven years. I am open for any suggestion on relief. I qualify for VA

> hospital treatment but my experience with them puts them on the bottom

> of my options list. Surgery is at the absolute bottom of the list.

>         My present location is in Puerto Rico, any known local herbs

> or foods

> would be most desirable, Off island sources considered when local

> things

> cannot be utilized.

> Replies accepted here on the list or direct. snowshoe@prtc.net



Not trying to scare you but you DEFINITELY NEED TO TAKE IT SERIOUSLY...

My father died because he had gout in his leg and his heart couldn't

take

an operation and a local would be too painful.  That's what they told

us, 

so they just let him die (23 days on drugs).  I would take any herbs you

can to help, but I would seek medical advice as soon as possible.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: headaches

From: dlreeder@juno.com (David L. Reeder)

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 05:07:52 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from dlreeder@juno.com (David L. Reeder):



Omega - 3 fishoil and Saint Johns Wort have cured my headaches.

DLReeder@Juno.com (David Reeder)



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To: "herb@MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: gout: looking for some re

From: oinonenehren@macalester.edu

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 18:25:27 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:



Even if the M.D.s are your last choice for treatment, perhaps you could

use them for a

diagnosis, since things of this nature are so difficulty to identify

without being able to look at your foot and ask you questions. You don't

have to let them do anything, but you should have someone actually look at

your foot. 

-Chris OE

oinonenehren@macalester.edu



On Sat, 10 Oct 1998, snowshoe wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from snowshoe@prtc.net (snowshoe):

> 

> List friends;

> 	I Have a permanent swelling of the joint above my right large toe which

> makes even wearing an oversized shoe painful. Gout is the prime suspect

> because of a history (45 years of alcoholic drinking) sober now for

> seven years. I am open for any suggestion on relief. I qualify for VA

> hospital treatment but my experience with them puts them on the bottom

> of my options list. Surgery is at the absolute bottom of the list.

> 	My present location is in Puerto Rico, any known local herbs or foods

> would be most desirable, Off island sources considered when local things

> cannot be utilized.

> Replies accepted here on the list or direct. snowshoe@prtc.net

> 

> 







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: osteoporosis/estrogen

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 21:19:41 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Karen Vaughan <creationsgarden@juno.com>:



When you say a long-term vegan diet causes osteoporosis due to lack of

cholesterol, is this for women only or men too?  I read about too much animal

protein causing loss of calcium.  Maybe the causative factor for osteoporosis

is calcium insufficiency due to lack of dairy products and not eating enough

plant sources of calcium such as collards and kale?  You mention osteoporosis

being endemic among menopausal Japanese women despite their high soy

consumption, but don't the Japanese eat a lot of fish?



Are there some herbs that might be good for the bones, to prevent or reverse

osteoporosis, either by encouraging hormone production or otherwise?



I also read about solanine, present in fruits and vegetables of family

Solanaceae (potato, eggplant, capsicum, tomato; tobacco is in the same family)

causing calcium to be taken from the bones and redeposited in places where it

doesn't belong, causing arthritis or other troubles.  But the 19th Century

Irish ate an awful lot of potatoes apparently without suffering this problem.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: osteoporosis/estrogen

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 01:03:17 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



It is my understanding that supplementation with magnesium prevents the

protein drain of calcium since magnesium regulates the absorption of

calcium.  Magnesium depletion is a serious problem and many of our herbs

and meats have lost considerable amounts of magnesium in the last 50

years.  In a sample of vegetables (cabbage, lettuce, tomatos and

spinach), magnesium has declined 81% since 1914.



Unfermented soy and other legumes can actually bind bone minerals with

their phytates.  And unfermented soy contains enzyme-inhibiting

substances which interfere with the digestion of other foods, making

everything somewhat less bioavailable. Including soy with meat or fish or

using fermented soy appears to counteract this effect. 



In women, and I assume in men, hormones are required to lay down bone

stores for later in life. (Testosterone is chemically similar to many

estrogens).  Women who go through a period in adolescence and young

womanhood of not menstruating because of inadequate diet and excessive

athletic activity (Female Athletic Triad syndrome) often end up cripled

by osteoporosis by their 30s.  Meat or dairy in the diet provides

cholesterol and its building blocks which make the hormones that

stimulate bone growth.  Women tend not to suffer from high cholesterol

until menopause because they use the cholesterol to make the hormones

which regulate the menstrual cycle and other body processes.



There are no traditional vegan cultures in the world, and for good

reason.  In India, where the only real vegetarian culture exists, protein

from dairy is included in meals (even desserts) and meals are quite well

balanced.  Activity levels in the subcontinent are less frenetic than in

in northern cities, meaning that diet does not need to support the same

level of metabolic activity.  And vegetarians in India get enough protein

from insects in flour, etc. that many who migrate to Britian, for

example, find that they suddenly develop deficiencies because the supply

of flour and garam tend to be cleaner.   



While Japanese women usually eat some fish with their soy, they hardly

have high protein diets, so I don't believe this is the culpert for the

osteoporosis that 1 out of 3 suffer from.  (Soy does protect them from

hot flashes).  Of course they tend to have less opportunity to do weight

bearing exercise, which could be an aggravating factor.  Perhaps the

younger generation will have less trouble when they reach menopause.  



A vegan diet can be a useful curing die for people who have had excess

meat and fat for a number of years.  It is not however a good sustaining

diet, especially for women who are more vulnerable to osteoporosis.



Solanaceous vegetables tend to be used in cultures where milk or cheese

is part of the diet and the cheese probably helps counteract negative

effects.  But someone on a macrobiotic diet is more likely to be

adversely affected by the nightshades than someone eating a typical

Mediterranean diet.



Oatstraw, red rasberry leaf, red clover flowers and nettles, as overnight

infusions and as infused vinegars are good sources of bone minerals.  Two

to four cups of infusion and two tablespoons of vinegar, along with high

mineral greens can do much to prevent osteoporosis, along with exercise.

Kelp and seaweeds should be included in the diet as well (although nori

sheets have far less value than do other forms of sea vegetables.)  But

see that the herbs come from farmers with good soil- hence mineral-

rebuilding practices or supplement the magnesium with an Albion chelates

or magnesium citrate.



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: osteoporosis/estrogen

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 15:12:03 -0400 (EDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



At 01:03 AM 10/12/98 -0400, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Karen, I am in perfect agreement with you r stance on veganism, and

osteoporosis. I add that I am an organic gardener, and am careful to add

epsom salts for magnesium to my soil, which in the south in general, is

quite deficient. Selenium is low, as well, and I supplement  for this.



I feel the bones growing after a bowlful of collard greens, freshly picked

and so young and tender they need only minimal cooking and minimal water.

S'truth!I add apple cider vinegar, but I will haste me to the herb store to

infuse up some of your suggestions into the vinegar. After reading the

recent article in Herbs for Health, ju/aug pg 33 about nettles, I suppose

I'm just going to have give growing them a try!----thanks,



Pat



>.....Oatstraw, red rasberry leaf, red clover flowers and nettles, as overnight

>infusions and as infused vinegars are good sources of bone minerals.  Two

>to four cups of infusion and two tablespoons of vinegar, along with high

>mineral greens can do much to prevent osteoporosis, along with exercise.

>Kelp and seaweeds should be included in the diet as well (although nori

>sheets have far less value than do other forms of sea vegetables.)  But

>see that the herbs come from farmers with good soil- hence mineral-

>rebuilding practices or supplement the magnesium with an Albion chelates

>or magnesium citrate.

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: osteoporosis/estrogen

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:05:48 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to creationsgarden@juno.com



Big three elements in chemical fertilizers are nitrogen, phosphorus and

potassium; other elements such as magnesium and calcium tend to be forgotten.



I have eaten little beetles, weevils, moths and their eggs in grains and flours

but didn't think the amount of insect protein nutritionally significant.

Herbivorous animals eat neither flesh foods nor dairy products, except during

infancy for mammals, but they may get some insects that happen to be in the

wrong place at the wrong time.



Are there any herbal or other means to prevent adverse effects of solanaceous

vegetables in the absence of dairy products?  Dairy products including yogurt

are widely consumed in India, as I inferred from Indian cookbooks, but I

believe Oriental people for the most part don't use dairy products.  Oriental

people have been eating slender eggplants and capsicum peppers for centuries,

tomatoes and potatoes being much more recent.  I read that eggplant originated

in southeast Asia.



In addition to the herbs you mention (oatstraw, red raspberry leaf, red clover

flowers and nettles), horsetail is said to be good for bones.  But is it

simply minerals that one could get in greater quantity by eating collards and

kale, or is it some component that helps the minerals go to the bones?



I have read about phytate present in wheat being deactivated by fermentation

as in yeast bread, but my information in this area is sketchy.  I don't know

about phytate in other grains such as rye, barley, oats, corn, rice, millet

and sorghum.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: osteoporosis/estrogen

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 14:57:42 -0400 (EDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



>Big three elements in chemical fertilizers are nitrogen, phosphorus and

>potassium; other elements such as magnesium and calcium tend to be forgotten.



I absolutely go cold all over when I read World Health reports on the damage

being done to our planet by the use of inorganic chemicals. The

petrochemical industry is healthier by the day, but the lost topsoil from

poor management of our water supply by the Army Corps of Engineers, plus

Grow It-Sell-It-Fast attitude of big agri business is destroying the health

of our bodies and that our pets, and, as a matter of fact, all life ! --- as

well as the earth. Please read again "Silent Spring" by Rachel Carson and

"Our Stolen Future" by Theo Colburn



A problem with chemical estrogen act-alikes,according to Theo, is the

destruction of ova and sperm. Of all animals, not just oviporous ones, you

understand.(and tha-tha-that's all, folks). She gives us two more

generations, if no immediate remedial steps are taken. 



 Dr. John Lee mentions her work (her credentials are awesome) in a tape

giveaway I got at an herb store, and also offers it free with one of his

books (see AltaVista search engine, "Dr. John Lee and progesterone". His

research for over the past 20 years (it took several years of practice

before, he says, his patients educated him by their symptoms to the fallacy

of estrogen HRT (hormone replacement therapy), which when prescribed alone

causes osteoporosis, depression, loss of libido, (sound familiar, gals?)and

much else. The progesterone cream is over the counter (it occurs to me that

doctors who want to get out of the rigid AMA-pharmaceutical-insurance circle

have to go direct to the public, which requires that the public take their

share of responsibility and bone up on the subject, consult with their

doctor, and make some decisions.  



Progesterone is not for the ladies alone, fellas. Do your homework.



I have reversed osteoporosis from the second stage to the first stage

through medical and alternative treatment within the past year. I am now

going again to my very cooperative doctor with a request to add progesterone

cream to my regimen with her active overseeing,and see if I can't add even

more bone mass. I gotta lot of fun stuff to do which requires a strong body,

and I mean to get it back.



On the raw-food mailing list I was on a few years ago I learned that there

is a relatively small but growing number of people who attempt to keep to

dairy-free and grain-free raw foods, primarily organic veg, fruits and meats

from carefully selected sources. One member and his wife had their first

baby recently (they are in their early 40's)on that diet with occasional

dairy protein added. They are both teachers, and I wish them well. We had

some friendly battles over the safety of raw protein sources and the

usefulness of grain, but they are in good health--they claim that's all the

proof they want! Insects, particularly, are an important source of high

quality protein. Rather inexpensive too  (ahahaha!!!)



So, it's important to try to keep an open mind, and be willing to face

cultural practices that may have a better way with intelligent curiosity and

a willingness to investigate. 



But GRASSHOPPERS!!! Nyet!!



Pat





>I have eaten little beetles, weevils, moths and their eggs in grains and flours

>but didn't think the amount of insect protein nutritionally significant.

>Herbivorous animals eat neither flesh foods nor dairy products, except during

>infancy for mammals, but they may get some insects that happen to be in the

>wrong place at the wrong time.

>

>Are there any herbal or other means to prevent adverse effects of solanaceous

>vegetables in the absence of dairy products?  Dairy products including yogurt

>are widely consumed in India, as I inferred from Indian cookbooks, but I

>believe Oriental people for the most part don't use dairy products.  Oriental

>people have been eating slender eggplants and capsicum peppers for centuries,

>tomatoes and potatoes being much more recent.  I read that eggplant originated

>in southeast Asia.

>

>In addition to the herbs you mention (oatstraw, red raspberry leaf, red clover

>flowers and nettles), horsetail is said to be good for bones.  But is it

>simply minerals that one could get in greater quantity by eating collards and

>kale, or is it some component that helps the minerals go to the bones?

>

>I have read about phytate present in wheat being deactivated by fermentation

>as in yeast bread, but my information in this area is sketchy.  I don't know

>about phytate in other grains such as rye, barley, oats, corn, rice, millet

>and sorghum.

>

>Thomas Mueller

>tmueller@bluegrass.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:osteoporosis/estrogen

From: "P.NIghswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 12:28:56 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from "P.NIghswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>:



 problem with chemical estrogen act-alikes



Somewhere I read about the estrogen or estrogen like properties of

peppermint. I have never been able to find the source again. I did have

a friend that screwed up her PAP's exam by drinking peppermint tea the

night before. Does anyone know anything about this? pn







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbs Farms in balto/dc

From: j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

Date: Sun, 11 Oct 1998 23:03:53 -0400

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Hello Green Friends,

	I'm interested in finding out where there might be some farms in

my area, I live north of Baltimore City.  Looking for a place to purchase

plants, get info on planting, harvesting, proccessing and special care

for growing herbs.  

	Thanks so much!

		Jenny Iris



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Subject: Re: Herbs Farms in balto/dc

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 12:17:34 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/12/98 12:31:45 AM Eastern Daylight Time, j_iris@juno.com

writes:



> Hello Green Friends,

>  	I'm interested in finding out where there might be some farms in

>  my area, I live north of Baltimore City.  Looking for a place to purchase

>  plants, get info on planting, harvesting, proccessing and special care

>  for growing herbs.  

>  	Thanks so much!

>  		Jenny 



Jenny,



I would think that you could contact Mary (Herbgro30)  and maybe swing by her

place in Silver Spring - I don't think that she is too far from where you are.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: endometriosis and some other comments

From: "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 12 Oct 1998 07:53:47 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>:



I'm enjoying reading the comments on this list...I'm learning a lot and 

one of the things that impresses me most is that everyone is very 

sensible - hope that doesn't sound patronising but I've been in too many 

conversations with amateur herbalists some of whom give postitively 

dangerous advice (even if they mean well!)



Migraine: when I have a really bad attack (maybe only twice a year, and 

usually brought on by too much working at the computer screen) I find 

rosemary tea always clears it up. not to everyone's taste, but works for 

me.



Gout: My mother had this quite severely - it was apparently related in 

her case to pancreatic disease/diabetes and unconnected to alcohol - she 

had some relief from hot/cold poultices with meadowsweet and lavender 

eo. She also massively increased her intake of water daily and 

occasionally took horsetail tea (although I don't know why this 

helped...)



My current question is that, being peri-menopausal (the women in my 

family get this early - around mid to late 30s)I'm suffering much more 

than usual with endometriosis and problems with fibroids. Not wanting to 

undergo surgery, I intend to wait out the menopause to get rid of all 

this, but it would be useful to have some suggestions in the meantime...

many thanks 

Linda



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Sassafras tea

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:10:18 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Shucky <Nelsie@Netcom.ca>:



It probably takes an awful lot of sassafras tea over a long time span to cause

harm from safrole.  From my reading, safrole is also present in cinnamon and

some other herbs or spices.  Cinnamon and sassafras belong to the same family

(Lauraceae).  Was there a big flame war on the soap list about sassafras EO 

used externally?  That seems incredible to me.



I use sassafras root bark in mixed herbal brews, find it too strong to use in

high concentration or on a long-term steady basis, so I guess that prevents

excessive consumption on my part.  It helps my breathing, but I wouldn't want

to use sassafras to the exclusion of other herbs.



I use cinnamon sticks in cooking but not on a steady basis, believe I am

nowhere near harmful levels of safrole.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Sassafras tea

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 12:21:50 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 00:10:18 -0400, tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>It probably takes an awful lot of sassafras tea over a long time span to cause

>harm from safrole.  From my reading, safrole is also present in cinnamon and

>some other herbs or spices.  Cinnamon and sassafras belong to the same family

>(Lauraceae).  Was there a big flame war on the soap list about sassafras EO 

>used externally?  That seems incredible to me.



Safrole in sassafras is an artifact of the extraction methods used to research

it the plant. There is no safrole in sassafras the herb.



Henriette



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Sassafras tea

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:33:03 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:





Henriette wrote-





>Safrole in sassafras is an artifact of the extraction methods used to

research

>it the plant. There is no safrole in sassafras the herb.



Hmmm...interesting (and I assume you mean "root bark" when You say

"herb")..I wonder how this happens...



I have read that there is safrole also in Nutmeg...and having bitten into

more than my share of nutmegs over the last 20 years or so...I find that

about 1-2% of them (about 2 or 3 out of a 1 pound bag of whole nutmegs)

really TASTE a lot like sassafras root.  I had jumped to the (now erroneous,

I guess) conclusion that I was tasting the safrole...now I must reassess

this assumption...I wonder what I was tasting...it was really good though,

especially made into a sweet and fat mixture with walnuts, butter, and maple

syrup ( a very shortened version of Alice B. Toklas' Hashisch Fudge, sans

the hashish)...



Joanie









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: gout:  - cherries as a good place to start

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 01:47:17 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/11/98 1:19:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kerryw@hctc.net

writes:



> 6-18 cherries per day are supposed to relieve gout.



I am climbing on the soap box one more time - As with some other "problems"

that folks have, Gout is another of those that indeed can be caused by toxic

metal overload. Doctors don't generally "go there" because they don't do basic

metal screening through hair or provocative urine analysis.  If it aint in the

serum blood sample, it aint in your system.  WRONG!!  



 Specifically, if my memory serves me correctly, Lead toxicity needs to be

ruled out when someone has gout.  What happens is that lead in body tissues

and all of those receptor sites somehow alters the system's elimination

process for uric acid and you get a buildup in the body (joints) of what

cannot be eliminated.  Like other metals, lead does not need to present in

the levels the FDA and others say is OK to be a problem.  They say that 0-0.8

PPM is OK to have without a problem -- which may well be true if you have

absolutely nothing else in your system that is also a problem.

Butttttttt.......... find me one of these specimens.  You can't because they

don't exist on this planet.  If you got lead, you got mercury and tin and

bismuth and arsenic, etc., and each of these - all perhaps just a bit "below"

the acceptable range" to have on a cellular level, are competing for the same

receptors that what your body really needs to assimilate something or trigger

something, etc.  Collectively they bind to a lot of things and do not let the

body do its job.  To make things worse some of them act to enhance the effect

of the other, and worse yet,  once these toxic metals get a hold of a site,

they are very very very selfish and will not give it up willingly.  Only

direct attention and a good chelation therapy program can eliminate the

toxins.  If someone you know has gout, have them get  a hair analysis - just

to rule this out as a problem.  Any level - needs to be addressed.



What needs to happen to put gout into remission, if that is the correct word

to use here is that something needs to happen to reduce the uric acid in the

system and get the stuff eliminated fromt he body.  



Everyone with gout knows of the dietary considerations that one is supposed to

take which I will not go into but will note that in my opinion (not shared

widely) if diet doesn't do the trick, then look HARD at lead because there is

some underlying problem that needs to be addressed.



Anyway, if lead is not a problem, as the post that got my attention indicates,

cherries IS a good place to start.  Actually any number of things that have

flavinoids,  anthocyanidins and proanthocyanidins (PCOs) will work.

Blueberries, cherries, blackberries and other red berries are good.  I know

this runs very close to the line of a taboo subject on list, but the extract

of the maritime pine (Pinus maritima) AKA pycnogenol, or grape seed extract

(Vitis vinifera) and Bilberry (Vaccinium myrtillus) are all excellent   In

addition to having the PCO and ACO bases covered they are wonderful super

antioxidants.  



A couple of other things also work well in conjunction with the berries and

bark - bromelain as in Pineapple - and Devil's claw - Bromelain reduces

inflammation and Devils claw not only can be used as an anti-inflammatory but

it also has analgesic properties as well.  





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: gout:  - cherries as a good place to start

From: "Richard & Cyndi Ask" <ask@gtii.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 09:13:03 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Richard & Cyndi Ask" <ask@gtii.com>:



I live in the Cherry capital of the world...Traverse City, Michigan.

I love to hear this.

Can you furnish any reference for this idea.



Richard

-----Original Message-----

From: NEHrbSup@AOL.COM <NEHrbSup@AOL.COM>

>In a message dated 10/11/98 1:19:00 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kerryw@hctc.net

>writes:

>

>> 6-18 cherries per day are supposed to relieve gout.

>









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Evening Primrose 

From: "Wendy Maynard" <sheeper@lan2wan.com>

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 10:35:02 -0000

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To herb@MyList.net from "Wendy Maynard" <sheeper@lan2wan.com>:



Hi,



I was interested in sprouting evening primrose seeds.  Does anyone have any

experience with sprouting seeds for consumption?  Would there be any

cautions eating too many of the sprouts?



I am interested in injesting the bioflavonoid Quercetin which is present in

the leaf and the EFAs in the seed would be an extra bonus.



TIA,

Wendy







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Evening Primrose 

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 14:46:17 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



I've never tried to sprout the seeds, but they can be ground like milk

thistle seed or flax seed over granola or yogurt.  Let us know how they

taste sprouted and pay attention to how the fat in the seed feels

different when you sprout it.



Eagerly awaiting your report,



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: herbs to thin the blood

From: Curiosa90@aol.com

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 21:01:48 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Curiosa90@aol.com:



	

I would like to know what Western herbs are capable of thinning and moving the

blood? My body has a tendency to grow hemangioblastomas (which are blood

tumors). Thank you in advance for any information you can offer. 



Gale

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs to thin the blood

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 00:57:09 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/13/98 9:15:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Curiosa90@aol.com writes:



> I would like to know what Western herbs are capable of thinning and moving 

> the

>  blood? My body has a tendency to grow hemangioblastomas (which are blood

>  tumors). Thank you in advance for any information you can offer. 

>  

Gale,  



There are things that will and can move the blood, which I will get into, but

you should be talking to a medical research facility (yes I said this )( and

assuming you have an HMO that will pay for it)  to find out just what is

causing the problem.  From the little bit of look see that I did, it appears

that with hemangioblastomas, there is a problem with a certain blood protein

called ezrin, among others.  It further appears that the medical research

community doesn't really know just what causes these things to appear in the

capillaries of  your vascular system, nor do they have a real protocol

established for treatment  - other than surgery on occasion.  I didn't really

see a link that I could draw in my mind between blood flow or thinning  and a

reduction of your propensity for getting these little tumors, and I would

really talk to someone who KNOWS about them before doing something that might

make them worse. 



 Not that I am on another hair analysis kick, because I am always preaching

that, but I would suggest that you definitely have someone order one from you

- I strongly suggest that you have your doctor ordering it use the Great

Smokies Diagnostic Lab in Asheville, NC.  (NCI) as they are one of the best in

the country.  Depending on what metals and other toxins you have been exposed

to, it may be possible to draw a direct correlation between the protein

building deficiency in your system and some strange combination of toxins that

are acting to block receptors critical to the process.  And you may find that

you have other problems that can be cleared up and your "problem" will go

away.



Now that being said, if you still want some blood thinning/moving suggestions

-- even with the warning, here goes -- first, and because these little buggers

appear to have a propensity for the brain and brain stem (did they tell you

that) Gingko and Ginger in a combination cap will be a good place to start.

The Ginkgo, as I am sure you are aware if you have been hanging in the shadows

for any period of time, is a cerebro vasodilator - meaning it opens the blood

vessels in the brain - not by much, but enough to increase the flow of blood

to areas with a deficiency.  Ginger is like pepper (capsicum)- and acts as a

blood thinner as well as a vasodilator.  To the above I would suggest adding a

good liver cleansing regimen and something to tonify the liver since all of

the blood, and hence all of its parts, are cleaned in the liver.  If the

problem is really a series of liver receptors that is bound up and because of

that it is producing deficient proteins or enzymes that are involved in the

production of proteins, cleaning the liver is just one more way of trying to

put the body back into shape.  It can't hurt, and might help a whole bunch.  I

know this is tentative, but these tumors are nothing to mess with -- which is

probably something you already know.  So go get a hair analysis and if the MD

won't read it  or doesn't know what  to do with it we can take him to school -

e-mail or fax me a copy and I will take a look.   

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs to thin the blood

From: Roses9652@aol.com

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:22:59 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Roses9652@aol.com:



Peter:  Can anyone work directly with Great Smokies Lab for this and other

types of testing?  Just wondering.    -Rosemary 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs to thin the blood

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:20:02 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/14/98 11:18:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Roses9652@AOL.COM writes:



> Peter:  Can anyone work directly with Great Smokies Lab for this and other

>  types of testing?  Just wondering.    -Rosemary 



Rosemary,

Not  unless you have an MD, ND, DO or some other such designation and are

licensed by the state in which you practice - I guess they have their reasons.

We wound up having to work through an ND to get the tests I wanted for

clients.  It has worked out good, but I have to either drive an hour to get

them - if folks remember to call - or wait for them to take another 4 days in

the mail process.  I am right now discussing the prospect of a more defined

association with an MD who has referred a number of her patients to me for a

more "natural" protocol.  If that comes to pass, we may some time in the not

too distant future be able to offer a whole range of testing as a part of what

it is we do. Sorry I can't help your find one now, but if you send me an e-

mail off list, I will put it in a stack of similar requests and if this thing

happens like it should I will get back to you when it happens.

peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs to thin the blood

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:36:23 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 09:01 PM 10/13/98 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Curiosa90@aol.com:

>

>	

>I would like to know what Western herbs are capable of thinning and moving

the

>blood? My body has a tendency to grow hemangioblastomas (which are blood

>tumors). Thank you in advance for any information you can offer. 

>

>Gale

>curiosa90@aol.com

>

>

There are some excellent herbal "blood thinners" as you call them.

However, you have not said what causes your problem or if you are taking

drugs for your problem, you have not given us any other information to

intelligently offer you a solution.  Just taking "blood thinners" may not

solve the problems cause at all.  I always say WHY before I jump into any

herbal treatment.  You CAN do damage and even kill yourself if you don't

know what you're doing in this area.  You must also cooperate with MD's if

you are under conventional care.  Don't do any herbal treatments if you are

under a doctor's care without his knowledge.  It is important to monitor

this so you don't end up bleeding to death.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

pinch them."

 **Marvin the Martian**

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Safrole & nutmeg

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Tue, 13 Oct 1998 23:31:08 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



I read there was safrole in cinnamon but don't remember reading anything about

safrole in nutmeg; however nutmeg and mace contain myristicin.  I have used

mace, which is the outer covering of the nutmeg, and from what I read, similar

in chemistry to nutmeg.  I have smelled both nutmeg and mace, and didn't think

it was anything like sassafras root.  Physiological effect on me is quite

different, 1/8 teaspoon mace used in cooking gives me mild sinus pressure

headache, more intense if taken three times in four days though not severe.

I sometimes use cinnamon but don't use nutmeg or mace any more; nutmeg or mace

smells like something uncomfortable to my sinuses.  Cinnamon belongs to same

family as sassafras, but nutmeg belongs to another family.  I wonder what is

considered a maximum safe single dose of nutmeg or mace.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Safrole & nutmeg

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 09:48:32 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Regarding nutmeg, the dried ripe seed of Myristica fragrans contains

8-15% volatile oils including myristicin, pinene, safrole and elemicin. 

Elemicin is believed to cause the hallucinogenic effect, which requires

15 grams (less if smoked), produces flushing of the skin, inhibits

salivation and can cause nerve damage and death.  This is one that will

make you sick before it will make you high and is not recommended

recreationally.  The essential oil is used for rheumatism, diarrhea and

digestive upsets in aromatherapy.



Sassafras volatile oil contains safrole. The whole roots of Sassafras

albidum are steam distilled to produce the volatile oil.  It contains 80%

safrole with pineine, phellandrene, d-camphor, eugenol and a

sesquiterpene.  Over 2 drams of safrole are required to produce a

narcotic poisoning with widespread fat degeneration in the hear, liver

and kidney.  This oil is only 5-7% of herb content, and only 80% of that

is safrole, so it is unlikely to affect drinkers of the root tea or

sassafras-made root beer.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Sassafras tea/slightly off topic

From: oinonenehren@macalester.edu

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:22:47 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:



I really miss rootbeer with sassafras.  They can't fool me with

wintergreen and vanilla.  It just isn't the same.  Does anyone make

rootbeer with real sassafras anymore?  Contact me offline, since this is

really more of a culinary question, even though the reason they don't make

rootbeer with sassafras anymore is the same reason that some people don't

recommend it for internal use.  (My age old complaint:  People who smoke

tobacco can have tobacco, and people who love saccharine can have

saccharine, but I can't find real rootbeer anywhere even though I'm

over 21...)



Chris Oinonen Ehren

oinonenehren@macalester.edu



On Tue, 13 Oct 1998 tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:

> 

> In response to Shucky <Nelsie@Netcom.ca>:

> 

> It probably takes an awful lot of sassafras tea over a long time span to cause

> harm from safrole.  From my reading, safrole is also present in cinnamon and

> some other herbs or spices.  Cinnamon and sassafras belong to the same family

> (Lauraceae).  Was there a big flame war on the soap list about sassafras EO 

> used externally?  That seems incredible to me.

> 

> I use sassafras root bark in mixed herbal brews, find it too strong to use in

> high concentration or on a long-term steady basis, so I guess that prevents

> excessive consumption on my part.  It helps my breathing, but I wouldn't want

> to use sassafras to the exclusion of other herbs.

> 

> I use cinnamon sticks in cooking but not on a steady basis, believe I am

> nowhere near harmful levels of safrole.

> 

> Thomas Mueller

> tmueller@bluegrass.net

> 

> 

> 







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: cherries as a good place to start

From: oinonenehren@macalester.edu

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 12:26:45 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:



One of the things I've heard (I think it is from Kloss)  is that

asthmatics should eat lots of cherries and drink cherry juice and wild

cherry bark infusion.  I haven't noticed a lot of difference with this,

but I love cherries, so I don't need a lot of convincing. 



Chris 

oinonenehren@macalester.edu









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: cherries as a good place to start

From: Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@MEDIA.EDU.HEL.FI>

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:12:31 +0300

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:



oinonenehren@macalester.edu wrote:

> 

> One of the things I've heard (I think it is from Kloss)  is that

> asthmatics should eat lots of cherries and drink cherry juice and wild

> cherry bark infusion.



This is something I would love to hear more about, as I've suffered from

asthma for over 15 years now (and that's a bit more than half of my life

so far). Can anyone explain this recommendation and be a bit more

specific?



-Miikkali

mii@media.edu.hel.fi





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: cherries 

From: "Richard & Cyndi Ask" <ask@gtii.com>

Date: Wed, 14 Oct 1998 21:55:10 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Richard & Cyndi Ask" <ask@gtii.com>:



I have read about cherries being good for gout and other things on this list.

I live in the cherry capital of the world...Traverse City, Mi

I sure would appreciate any documentation for these suggestions.



Richard







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: cherries

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 02:50:34 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/15/98 12:53:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ask@gtii.com

writes:



> I have read about cherries being good for gout and other things on this

list.

>  I live in the cherry capital of the world...Traverse City, Mi

>  I sure would appreciate any documentation for these suggestions.

>  

>  Richard

>  



Sorry for this, but we don't do homework for you.  There are a good number of

"monitors" of this list including "Mom"  Henriette, Mary, Karen, Elliott, Tom,

myself, etc.  If someone posts something that is not quite so and does not

indicate that it is from their own personal experience, there are a number of

ways from a flat out slam, to a nice little "correction," that folks will do

to set the record straight and admonish, if necessary, the author.  



Your first post making inquiry asked the question in an "Is this true?" manner

-- now you are asking us to validate what we have told you to be correct.  I

could spend 4 hours going through the library and finding each quote and

reference that I have stored in my pea sized brain, which I would gladly do if

you will mail me a check for my time at an outrageous consultation fee rate,

or, you can do what I suggest often to people.  Go to the library and start to

look up books on herbs nutrition and disorders and go through them.  If this

is for yourself or a family member, you will be surprised at what you will

find and the little things that you can pick up along the way that all play a

role in the process of healing.  More importantly you will have started down a

proactive road in life that will only make you better in a number of ways and

will make you better able to pass on the wisdom you gain to others. 



  If you are truly the "Capitol" of the cherry kingdom, then someone in the

"association" of cherry growers or the local state extension service will in

all probability be able to point you in the right direction.  They may even

have what you want right there in front of them.  



peter





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: cherries

From: aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:52:48 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



Speaking of admonishment and corrections< Peter, I don't see a

justification for sarcastic arrogance on the part of anyone--especially

from a mentor or healer.  The question about cherries is no different from

thousands of others to which you have replied in the past with a generous

and helpful heart.  Og course Richard can go to the library and to the

cherry growers association to gain information.  He asked this this in the

context of cherries as a healing modality.  From an ayurvedic standpoint

cherries are an alterative--cleansing blood and supportive to building

blood and plasma.  Black cherries are stronger in this aspect as the juice

has stronger medicinal properties.  The alterative aspect would be helpful

in clearing toxins related to gout.  However, they should be used in

moderation to avoid too much energy warming effect on the system which

could aggravate gout.



I'm surprised at you, Peter, as I always appreciate your insightful posts

to the list.  Perhaps this hit you on a dark day.  By the way--why would

any healer charge exhorbitant sums (allopaths included) to provide help to

those in need?  We seem to have a unique tradition globally now of

associating monetary value to "professional" arts.  There is honor and

grace in giving.  If we exchange healing or mentoring for something we take

away that again depletes those we heal, we have failed as healers.  



Peace,

Aliceann Carlton

carlton@mint.net









At 02:50 AM 10/15/98 EDT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:

>

>In a message dated 10/15/98 12:53:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ask@gtii.com

>writes:

>

>> I have read about cherries being good for gout and other things on this

>list.

>>  I live in the cherry capital of the world...Traverse City, Mi

>>  I sure would appreciate any documentation for these suggestions.

>>  

>>  Richard

>>  

>

>Sorry for this, but we don't do homework for you.  There are a good number of

>"monitors" of this list including "Mom"  Henriette, Mary, Karen, Elliott,

Tom,

>myself, etc.  If someone posts something that is not quite so and does not

>indicate that it is from their own personal experience, there are a number of

>ways from a flat out slam, to a nice little "correction," that folks will do

>to set the record straight and admonish, if necessary, the author.  

>

>Your first post making inquiry asked the question in an "Is this true?"

manner

>-- now you are asking us to validate what we have told you to be correct.  I

>could spend 4 hours going through the library and finding each quote and

>reference that I have stored in my pea sized brain, which I would gladly

do if

>you will mail me a check for my time at an outrageous consultation fee rate,

>or, you can do what I suggest often to people.  Go to the library and

start to

>look up books on herbs nutrition and disorders and go through them.  If this

>is for yourself or a family member, you will be surprised at what you will

>find and the little things that you can pick up along the way that all play a

>role in the process of healing.  More importantly you will have started

down a

>proactive road in life that will only make you better in a number of ways and

>will make you better able to pass on the wisdom you gain to others. 

>

>  If you are truly the "Capitol" of the cherry kingdom, then someone in the

>"association" of cherry growers or the local state extension service will in

>all probability be able to point you in the right direction.  They may even

>have what you want right there in front of them.  

>

>peter

>

>



Please feel free to visit us at our "Homes on the Web"....



	Scott:  http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/7136/  (major revision: 28

September 1998)



	Aliceann:  http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/5408/ (updated March

11, 1998).  MAJOR, EXCITING  revision in progress... we'll keep you posted!!







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re:  cherries 

From: "sho'ta" <jford@btigate.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 07:55:42 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "sho'ta" <jford@btigate.com>:



Hau, Richard.



  There is quite a lot of documentation on the various benefits of cherries,

a bit too numerous to mention all, but I know a few things that may be of

help to you.  Many of the beneficial effects are due to flavonoids, and are

present in other dark berries as well as cherries.  They are a rich source

of anthocyanadins and proanthocyanidins, the flavonoid molecules which give

the fruit their dark color, and are particularly effective in their ability

to prevent collagen destruction. [1,2]

  They have the ability to crosslink collagen fibers, resulting in a

reinforcement of the natural crosslinking of collagen that forms the

collagen matrix of connective tissue (ground substance, cartilage, tendon,

etc.) [1,2,3]

  They prevent free radical damage through their antioxidant and free

radical scavenging action. [1,2,3,4]

  They inhibit enzymatic cleavage of collagen by enzymes secreted by

leukocytes during inflammation. [3,4]

  They prevent the release and synthesis of compounds that promote

inflammation, such as histamine, serine protease, prostaglandins, and

leukotrienes. [4]



1. Gabor, M., 'Pharmacologic effects of flavonoids on blood vessels,'

Angiologica, 1972,

   9, pp. 355-74.

2. Kuhnau, J., 'The flavonoids,  a class of semi-essential food components:

their role in human

    nutrition,' World. Rev. Nutr. Diet, 1976, 24, pp. 117-19.

3. Havsteen, B., 'Flavonoids, a class of natural products of high

pharmacological potency,'

    Biochem. Pharm., 1983, 32, pp. 1,141-8.

4. Middleton, E. 'The flavonoids,' Trends. Pharm. Sci., 1984, 5, pp. 335-8.



all of the above information is printed in Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine,

by Michael Murray and Joseph Pizzorno.



tok`sa,

sho'ta







>I have read about cherries being good for gout and other things on this

list.

>I live in the cherry capital of the world...Traverse City, Mi

>I sure would appreciate any documentation for these suggestions.

>

>Richard

>







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: cherries

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:34:03 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



I did not think that Peter's answer was out of line at all.  The questioner

asked for documentation on the suggestions that were offered for the use of

cherries.  He did not ask for "help".  Peter made some good suggestions on

where to seek "documentation". Sho'ta provided documentation from one

book...and I am sure that this letter took a while to write up.



I suspect that Peter has a library full of books and he could have spent the

day doing what sho'ta did with all his (Peter's) books.  Instead he pointed

Richard in the right direction.  If I had not lost my botanical library in

my fire, I too could have offered to do this research...but it is research,

and there is no reason why it should not be pointed out that this takes

time, and we old hippies should want to be paid for our time....hard as it

has always been for ME to ask for money.



Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: cherries

From: Sherry Dake <sherry-dake@utulsa.edu>

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 09:37:45 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Sherry Dake <sherry-dake@utulsa.edu>:



Joanie;



      I believe you are now "out of line".   Peter could have simply stated 

where the documentation could be found and done it in a very nice way. 

 There is a proper way to communicate and I feel the way he answered was 

rude and thoughtless.  Someone who needs answers to their questions doen't 

need sarcasim.  Do you really think this person didn't know he could go to 

the library to get this information.  They simply ask a very appropriate 

question.  This is a free list and to allude that he wanted to be paid for 

his time is out of line.  He needs to get off of the list if he feel this 

is an inappropriate question.  Peter would have been better off not 

replying at all.  Lighten up!  "True old hippies"  wouldn't react the way 

you have.



Sherry



-----Original Message-----

From:	Joanie MacPhee [SMTP:macphee@net1plus.com]

Sent:	Thursday, October 15, 1998 9:19 AM

To:	herb@MyList.net

Subject:	Re: cherries



To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



I did not think that Peter's answer was out of line at all.  The questioner

asked for documentation on the suggestions that were offered for the use of

cherries.  He did not ask for "help".  Peter made some good suggestions on

where to seek "documentation". Sho'ta provided documentation from one

book...and I am sure that this letter took a while to write up.



I suspect that Peter has a library full of books and he could have spent 

the

day doing what sho'ta did with all his (Peter's) books.  Instead he pointed

Richard in the right direction.  If I had not lost my botanical library in

my fire, I too could have offered to do this research...but it is research,

and there is no reason why it should not be pointed out that this takes

time, and we old hippies should want to be paid for our time....hard as it

has always been for ME to ask for money.



Joanie

macphee@net1plus.com







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: cherries

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 18:13:04 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from NEHrbSup@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/15/98 8:04:25 AM Eastern Daylight Time, carlton@mint.net

writes:



> I'm surprised at you, Peter, as I always appreciate your insightful posts

>  to the list.  Perhaps this hit you on a dark day.  By the way--why would

>  any healer charge exhorbitant sums (allopaths included) to provide help to

>  those in need?  We seem to have a unique tradition globally now of

>  associating monetary value to "professional" arts.  There is honor and

>  grace in giving.  If we exchange healing or mentoring for something we take

>  away that again depletes those we heal, we have failed as healers.  

>  

Aliceanne, and others taking exception to my post. 



Although a wise person once told me to "speak the truth and don't defend

yourself" I feel the need to set the record straight.  No, it was not a dark

day -- late in the day, but not dark in the heart. 



To clear up a point first,  when I said 

"I could spend 4 hours going through the library and finding each quote and

reference that I have stored in my pea sized brain, which I would gladly do if

you will mail me a check for my time at an outrageous consultation fee rate," 

 I thought that folks would see the humor/tongue in cheek point I was trying

to make. I guess I was wrong!!



 While I may take things off list from time to time because I may have a

commercial interest in getting someone an herb or extract that is of higher

quality than they can find most places and I happen to have it,  NO ONE that

has ever contacted me for help on line has EVER been solicited or asked for

payment or told that there would be a charge for the advice I give.  PERIOD!-

This applies to those for whom I have done extensive research and written up 4

and 5 page analyses/protocol suggestions as well as the simple paragraph or

two that I give on a regular basis.  



To the contrary, I have often given not only of my time, but herbs, tinctures,

oils etc.,as well  where it was pretty clear from the back and forth

conversation I was having that someone really couldn't afford what they really

needed to put their train back on the right track.   Point here being that  I

was NOT soliciting, nor would I even consider doing research for someone on

the list and charging for it.  It is simply not what I am about.   



 Like Aliceanne, I have a great deal of difficulty with the degree of

competence or "professionalism" that is ascribed to someone simply because

they get an outrageous fee for doing something they are sometimes not even

good at.  I spend, on average, 3 + hours a day responding to questions from

people both on and off this list on just about anything under the sun having

to do with herbs.  It is ALL done because I enjoy it and because it tweaks

that little spot inside that makes me feel good because "today I might have

made a difference for someone."  I do it with no expectation of anything but

the hope that someone's good wishes and thanks when the fix suggested works

will come my way from time to time.  It is done to help -- and to heal -- and

to teach -- and to counter the growing threat from all sides that too soon the

exchange of "THIS" information will not be permitted.   



 Sometimes, where the subject is not a simple one and where there are some

points or issues that could easily slip through the cracks and get overlooked,

I do a great deal of research and writing, checking for myself each of the

books in my own library that have something on the subject.  Others, are

"shoot from the hip" responses that are based on what I have in my head that I

have dealt with often enough so that there are no mysteries to me.  I always

try to present this info - on or off list - in a manner that explains what

needs to be explained and  is as well thought out as possible.  



But every now and again there is one of those little bells that goes off that

either says -  this person is fishing for something to debunk somehow or this

person wants me to do his/her work for them.  This voice may not always be

right, but more often than not it is.   I know i have said it before, but I

will say it again,  The study of herbalism is NOT something that one can

master in a month, a year or a decade.  It is a lifelong journey that makes

very clear that the more you know, the more you realize you do not know.  



Anyone who balks at the suggestion that they do their own "research" after

being given some places to start so that they can really learn from what they

are doing is kidding themselves about just how serious they are about the

subject.  I cannot tell you how many times I have started checking just one

"little" item only to find myself a day later still chasing down some

interesting sidebars and tidbits that cropped up about a related subject

during my initial 20 minutes of "just checking". 



 The picture of how are bodies, minds and spirits are tied together in so many

wonderful and seemingly unrelated ways just keeps growing and expanding every

time you pick up a book and read about it.  If you are not willing to take

this time to gain a greater insight about what is good for you when the

information is readily accessible, as is the info about cherries,  then please

tell me - why should I?  If this is an arrogant or self centered perspective,

then color me guilty, slap my hand, and ask me to leave the room.  



The point that I was trying to make is that from the responses Richard got to

his question, mine included, there was a validation that what he had heard or

read was correct and that cherries do have flavinoids that are extremely

beneficial to the body, AND if he wanted to learn more HE should do the

research himself.  He did not say that HE was sick, or that HE needed help it

was more of a tell me if this is true situation.  My advice went beyond the

simple response to suggest that he also consider metals as a problem and then

went on to say



 "Anyway, if lead is not a problem, as the post that got my attention

indicates,cherries IS a good place to start.  Actually any number of things

that have flavinoids,  anthocyanidins and proanthocyanidins (PCOs) will

work.Blueberries, cherries, blackberries and other red berries are good.  I

know this runs very close to the line of a taboo subject on list, but the

extractof the maritime pine (Pinus maritima) AKA pycnogenol, or grape seed

extract (Vitis vinifera) and Bilberry (Vaccinium myrtillus) are all excellent.

In addition to having the PCO and ACO bases covered they are wonderful super

antioxidants. A couple of other things also work well in conjunction with the

berries and bark - bromelain as in Pineapple - and Devil's claw - Bromelain

reduces inflammation and Devils claw not only can be used as an anti-

inflammatory but it also has analgesic properties as well". 



This post with about a dozen places to start looking with a simple web search

was followed by Richard's 

"I live in the Cherry capital of the world...Traverse City, Michigan.I love to

hear this. Can you furnish any reference for this idea." And then another that

asked once again for a reference. 



Then a post saying that he had not thought to look in the encyclopedia of

natural health which he apparently has.  Which makes my point.  This is not

done to trash or flame, just to point out that it is a lot easier to have

others do for you what you should be ding yourself. 



I never claimed to be politically correct and I often tell it with far less

flowers and honey than some would like to have, but I simply call it as I see

it.  If that is arrogant, self centered or the other kind of unmentionable

things I have been called today then so be it.  I'm really not inclined to

join the ranks of the PC world.

As a final note - please post no more of this subject/thread  on the list - in

support or in opposition -  it is growing into something akin to a flame war

and the list is not the place for that  - if you got a gripe- do what others

do - send it to me "personally".

peter  





This is not in my mind, arrogant, or any of the other things I have been

called today both on and off the list.     





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: cherries

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 21:19:45 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



I didn't know Traverse City MI was cherry capital of the world, thought it 

might be in California, Oregon or Washington.



I have read several places about cherries being good for gout but not about

being specifically curative for other ailments mentioned on this list.  I once

had wild cherry bark, 5 oz box from Alvita (nci), found it practically odorless

and of no effect for throat tickle, coughing and asthma.  Maybe it was on the

retail or wholesale shelf too long?  The good part of the wild cherry tree is

the ripe fruit, good to eat raw.  I imagine it would be soothing to the throat

and better than cultivated cherries though I speak only from the flavor, not 

from documentation.  Wild cherry trees seem to tolerate a wider range of 

climate conditions than cultivated cherries.  I have eaten a lot of wild 

cherries but haven't found many in the last few years.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: allergy help

From: LauraMH <lauramh@fsi.net>

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 08:26:24 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from LauraMH <lauramh@fsi.net>:



Dear herb friends,



Next weekend, I will be doing some presentations in a converted old barn.

Unfortunately, I'm going to be in the unheated part which is moldy and

mildewy.  Naturally, those are my prime allergies!  I'll be taking some

antihistamines (prescription), but I'd also like to support them with

something natural to help get me through.  Any suggestions?  I am perfectly

happy to start taking herbal "stuff" now, to beef up my system, as well as

on the two days in question.



I'd be very grateful for any help.



Thanks!



Laura





Laura McKeown Howell

lauramh@fsi.net



************************

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Flannery O'Connor

************************





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: admonishments and the like

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 10:14:47 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Admonishments are a necessary part of keeping list information accurate,

despite any negative feelings people have about the word.  Those of us

who give advice APPRECIATE having information corrected because, despite

all the disclaimers about seeking appropriate medical care, we don't want

someone to take our (hopefully rare) late night bad advice and get hurt. 

Legal liabilities aside (which can happen), we don't want someone's pain

on our conscience.



(I remember one fluish night writing perfectly accurate information on

getting quality milk thistle tincture, but to someone with hepatitis. 

Fortunately Henriette zipped back with the advice that he should avoid

alcohol forms of the herb altogether, for which I was grateful although

embarassed.  It reinforced the importance of not giving out advice

readily when one isn't functioning at peak levels)

 

The deep experience posters often spend hours writing and researching, as

well as drawing upon experience with clients, experimentation upon

ourselves and the like, all while fending off questions from family

members about why we aren't spending that time at more lucrative

pursuits.  We often give advice that repairs what MDs who are paid an

order of magnitude more have screwed up.  The healing may be free, but

our time...  well, people who post on email just get karmic brownie

points.  Sure I'd like inordinate consultation fees (my family would!),

but not enough to distort my life and educational missions just to get

them.  



Note  that the advice to research oneself is more helpful in the long run

than giving a bibliographic reference, although those are appreciated if

one has them at hand.  Give a man a fish, and all that.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: "'herb list'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: side effects/toxicity  of SJW?

From: "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:38:05 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:



Hello all,

I started taking St John's Wort several months ago. I did a lot of

reading first, noted the conflicting reports of possible phototoxicity

and possible MAO inhibition. After consulting a number of different

sources, I judged it safe, and started taking it. So far I've felt it to

be very beneficial and haven't noticed any negative effects.



Just today I discovered a new Web site - a commercial one, selling

products - which also provides a lot of information about many herbs,

etc. They refer to the German Commission E and to the works of Varro E.

Tyler as sources, so I felt that they were probably reliable. Then, on

their SJW page, I found the following information under "side

effects/possible toxicity":





                          Headaches, stiff neck, nausea, vomiting and

high

                          blood pressure can result via interaction with

the

                          following: the amino acid tryptophan (which is

                          found in soya protein, cottage cheese, fish,

beef

                          liver, lamb, peanuts, pumpkin and sesame

seeds,

                          and lentils); the amino acid tyramine (which

is found

                          in cheese, chocolate, eggs, wheat, peanuts,

citrus

                          fruits, tomatoes, pork, sausages, chicken

liver, beef,

                          fava beans, vanilla, yeast, soy sauce, beer

and red

                          wine); amphetamines; asthma inhalants; cold or

hay

                          fever medicines; diet pills; narcotics and

nasal

                          decongestants.



I had not encountered any info about possible interactions with

tryptophan or tyramine in any of the references I had searched,

including Tyler's 'An Honest Herbal'. Now I'm confused. Does anyone have

any comment? Can you confirm or deny either of those interactions? How

about any suggestions for other sources (I've read books from my

library, searched a large number of Web sites, both commercial and

educational). I can't afford the Monographs of the German Commission E,

which I feel would probably be the most authoritative source available -

does anyone have an opinion on that, either? Thanks in advance for any

info. (I'm not asking for a lot of data - just any quick comments, or

any sources you would recommend).





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: side effects/toxicity  of SJW?

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 15 Oct 1998 23:38:33 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Robin-



Varo Tyler is not considered a very good source of herbal information. 

He tends to take a reductionist, somewhat fear-mongering approach and

plain gets lots of his facts wrong.    He ignores centuries of clinical

application and draws large conclusions from the presence of isolated

constituents, which may not work the same way when in the "solution" of a

complex herb.



See "Deconstructing Varro Tyler's Honest Herbal" on Jonathan Treasure's

Herbal Bookworm site.



The effects you cite are basic MAOI contraindicated foods, which have

been extrapolated inappropriately to SJW.  Although the herb contains

phytochemicals which in isolation act as MAO inhibitors, the overall

action of the herb is as a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor (SSRI)

whcih in allopathy cannot be mixed with MAOIs, but in nature does just

fine.  I know of a single case of SJW causing this type of MAOI type

reaction.  This occurred with a standardized extract of SJW, and if you

have been around here long, you will know that most of us disapprove of

standardizing SJW because it tends to alter the balance of actions and

buffers in a very complex herb.  The person in question had no further

trouble when she went to a homemade tincture of SJW made from ripe

flowering tops.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic- seek appropriate medical

care.

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     William Trotter



On Thu, 15 Oct 1998 20:38:05 -0500 "boulton, robin"

<rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" 

><rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:

>

>Hello all,

>I started taking St John's Wort several months ago. I did a lot of

>reading first, noted the conflicting reports of possible phototoxicity

>and possible MAO inhibition. After consulting a number of different

>sources, I judged it safe, and started taking it. So far I've felt it 

>to

>be very beneficial and haven't noticed any negative effects.

>

>Just today I discovered a new Web site - a commercial one, selling

>products - which also provides a lot of information about many herbs,

>etc. They refer to the German Commission E and to the works of Varro 

>E.

>Tyler as sources, so I felt that they were probably reliable. Then, on

>their SJW page, I found the following information under "side

>effects/possible toxicity":

>

>

>                          Headaches, stiff neck, nausea, vomiting and

>high

>                          blood pressure can result via interaction 

>with

>the

>                          following: the amino acid tryptophan (which 

>is

>                          found in soya protein, cottage cheese, fish,

>beef

>                          liver, lamb, peanuts, pumpkin and sesame

>seeds,

>                          and lentils); the amino acid tyramine (which

>is found

>                          in cheese, chocolate, eggs, wheat, peanuts,

>citrus

>                          fruits, tomatoes, pork, sausages, chicken

>liver, beef,

>                          fava beans, vanilla, yeast, soy sauce, beer

>and red

>                          wine); amphetamines; asthma inhalants; cold 

>or

>hay

>                          fever medicines; diet pills; narcotics and

>nasal

>                          decongestants.

>

>I had not encountered any info about possible interactions with

>tryptophan or tyramine in any of the references I had searched,

>including Tyler's 'An Honest Herbal'. Now I'm confused. Does anyone 

>have

>any comment? Can you confirm or deny either of those interactions? How

>about any suggestions for other sources (I've read books from my

>library, searched a large number of Web sites, both commercial and

>educational). I can't afford the Monographs of the German Commission 

>E,

>which I feel would probably be the most authoritative source available 

>-

>does anyone have an opinion on that, either? Thanks in advance for any

>info. (I'm not asking for a lot of data - just any quick comments, or

>any sources you would recommend).

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: side effects/toxicity  of SJW?

From: Ed Blonz <ed@blonz.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:35:14 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Ed Blonz <ed@blonz.com>:



I went to the greentree site and it states that less than 1 % of the people

that use SJW complain of side effects.

Is that unreasonable?



Ed Blonz





"boulton, robin" wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:

>

> This message has confused me somewhat, but I think you're asking me for

> the site that was quoting Tyler and Commission E... it is

> http://www.greentree.com/ . I didn't include it in my original post

> because I thought it might violate the NCI rule.

>

> -----Original Message-----

> From:   owner-herb@MyList.net [mailto:owner-herb@MyList.net] On Behalf

> Of Henriette Kress

> Sent:   Friday, October 16, 1998 10:39 AM

> To:     herb@MyList.net

> Subject:        Re: side effects/toxicity  of SJW?

>

> To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

>

> On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:27:44 -0700, mark and jan <Wolf@softcom.net>

> wrote to

> herb@MyList.net:

>

> >Dear Robin:  Can you can us the website you found this information on?

> >Thank you very much.

>

> Any website touting Tyler and Commission E as their main sources can be

> disregarded by any serious herbalist.



--

     Maintaining a positive attitude may not solve all your

 problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worthwhile.

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: side effects/toxicity  of SJW?

From: mark and jan <Wolf@softcom.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:27:44 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from mark and jan <Wolf@softcom.net>:



Dear Robin:  Can you can us the website you found this information on?

Thank you very much.



Jan Zickel



boulton, robin wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:

>

> Hello all,

> I started taking St John's Wort several months ago. I did a lot of

> reading first, noted the conflicting reports of possible phototoxicity

> and possible MAO inhibition. After consulting a number of different

> sources, I judged it safe, and started taking it. So far I've felt it to

> be very beneficial and haven't noticed any negative effects.

>

> Just today I discovered a new Web site - a commercial one, selling

> products - which also provides a lot of information about many herbs,

> etc. They refer to the German Commission E and to the works of Varro E.

> Tyler as sources, so I felt that they were probably reliable. Then, on

> their SJW page, I found the following information under "side

> effects/possible toxicity":

>

>                           Headaches, stiff neck, nausea, vomiting and

> high

>                           blood pressure can result via interaction with

> the

>                           following: the amino acid tryptophan (which is

>                           found in soya protein, cottage cheese, fish,

> beef

>                           liver, lamb, peanuts, pumpkin and sesame

> seeds,

>                           and lentils); the amino acid tyramine (which

> is found

>                           in cheese, chocolate, eggs, wheat, peanuts,

> citrus

>                           fruits, tomatoes, pork, sausages, chicken

> liver, beef,

>                           fava beans, vanilla, yeast, soy sauce, beer

> and red

>                           wine); amphetamines; asthma inhalants; cold or

> hay

>                           fever medicines; diet pills; narcotics and

> nasal

>                           decongestants.

>

> I had not encountered any info about possible interactions with

> tryptophan or tyramine in any of the references I had searched,

> including Tyler's 'An Honest Herbal'. Now I'm confused. Does anyone have

> any comment? Can you confirm or deny either of those interactions? How

> about any suggestions for other sources (I've read books from my

> library, searched a large number of Web sites, both commercial and

> educational). I can't afford the Monographs of the German Commission E,

> which I feel would probably be the most authoritative source available -

> does anyone have an opinion on that, either? Thanks in advance for any

> info. (I'm not asking for a lot of data - just any quick comments, or

> any sources you would recommend).











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: side effects/toxicity  of SJW?

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 15:38:54 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:27:44 -0700, mark and jan <Wolf@softcom.net> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>Dear Robin:  Can you can us the website you found this information on?

>Thank you very much.



Any website touting Tyler and Commission E as their main sources can be

disregarded by any serious herbalist. Tyler is not a reliable source of facts

(he bends over backwards to make herbs look bad) and the commission E monographs

are a committee effort... the committee being an entity with 12 or more legs and

no brains.



Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: side effects/Herbal Bookworm site

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:56:48 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



Thanks, Karen, for this post and site.  



>See "Deconstructing Varro Tyler's Honest Herbal" on Jonathan Treasure's

>Herbal Bookworm site.



http://www.teleport.com/~jonno/Tyler.html

will give you the *27* page review 

It also explains that the German Commission E is defunct (as of 1994), and

the information within the recently published American version is really

obsolete, and actually originates from the 70's 



http://www.teleport.com/~jonno

will give you the site, and table of contents to the reviews.

Joanie







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To: Herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE:side effects/toxicity of SJW?

From: Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 00:35:36 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Kathryn Bensinger <kbensin@mail.state.tn.us>:



YOU WROTE:

<snip> a lot of information about many herbs, etc. They refer to the German

Commission E and to the works of Varro E. Tyler as sources, so I felt that they

were probably reliable. Then, on their SJW page, I found the following

information under "side effects/possible toxicity":<snip>



 I ADD:

(1) It was once believed that SJW worked primarily as a MAO inhibitor.  The

research was done in a reductionist manner - isolating each constituent and

analyzing it by itself.  Only one was MAO, another is SSR.    It is now know to

be a complex combination of many actions which balance each other and don't work

well separated. That is why most of us don't like standardized products.



(2) Most of the side effects listed were found only in standardized

products.  As far as I am aware the phototoxicity was found only in VERY

high doses used  in AIDS therapy,  overdoses or in farm animals on poor

weedy pasture where they have no choice but to eat mass quantities.



(3) If you stick to the recommended doses range you shouldn't have any

problems unless yu have a personal allergy to the plant (possible with

anything).  Prune juice is a very vauable and safe theraputic but we all

know the dangers of overdose without my listing them.

KB





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: side effects/toxicity of SJW?

From: "Joelle" <DA-JKMILLER@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:38:13 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Joelle" <DA-JKMILLER@worldnet.att.net>:



I have to add my own experience with SJW.... As to the phototoxicity, I have

Native American in my ancestry and have never had a problem with sunburning

until I started taking SJW. Three times in a row, even though I was wearing

sunscreen I burned bad enough to peel and I was only in the sun a short

while. It took me a while to figure out that this was the problem. Once I

stopped taking it I stopped burning. I think it depends on the individual

more than the dosage. I was taking a relatively low dosage, 1/2 of what was

recommended. So the comment about it being phototoxic only in high doses may

not be entirely accurate.



Joelle Miller



)O( -----Original Message-----

)O( (2) Most of the side effects listed were found only in standardized

)O( products.  As far as I am aware the phototoxicity was found only in VERY

)O( high doses used  in AIDS therapy,  overdoses or in farm animals on poor

)O( weedy pasture where they have no choice but to eat mass quantities.

)O( 









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: side effects/toxicity of SJW?

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 20:23:44 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Joelle-



What form and which brand of SJW were you taking?  There are a few

reports of phototoxicity with some of the standardized SJW extracts, and

not only in high doses.  These reactions often abate with quality

tinctures or quality nonstandardized (or whole herb standardized)

extracts.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

Email comments are educational, not diagnostic- seek appropriate medical

care.

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     William Trotter



On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:38:13 -0700 "Joelle"

<DA-JKMILLER@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Joelle" <DA-JKMILLER@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>I have to add my own experience with SJW.... As to the phototoxicity, 

>I have

>Native American in my ancestry and have never had a problem with 

>sunburning

>until I started taking SJW. Three times in a row, even though I was 

>wearing

>sunscreen I burned bad enough to peel and I was only in the sun a 

>short

>while. It took me a while to figure out that this was the problem. 

>Once I

>stopped taking it I stopped burning. I think it depends on the 

>individual

>more than the dosage. I was taking a relatively low dosage, 1/2 of 

>what was

>recommended. So the comment about it being phototoxic only in high 

>doses may

>not be entirely accurate.

>

>Joelle Miller

>

>)O( -----Original Message-----

>)O( (2) Most of the side effects listed were found only in 

>standardized

>)O( products.  As far as I am aware the phototoxicity was found only 

>in VERY

>)O( high doses used  in AIDS therapy,  overdoses or in farm animals on 

>poor

>)O( weedy pasture where they have no choice but to eat mass 

>quantities.

>)O( 

>

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE:side effects/toxicity of SJW?

From: Bill Tuttle <maclain@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 16:21:27 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Bill Tuttle <maclain@mindspring.com>:



> I ADD:

>(2) Most of the side effects listed were found only in standardized

>products.  As far as I am aware the phototoxicity was found only in VERY

>high doses used  in AIDS therapy,  overdoses or in farm animals on poor

>weedy pasture where they have no choice but to eat mass quantities.

>

I've been taking SJW for 6 or 7 months now with good results. I have been

using the "standardized" 300mg capsules. Could you please explain more

about why many people on this list seem to dislike the standardized SJW?

What are you recommendations?



Thanks.



   ---Bill Tuttle









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE:side effects/toxicity of SJW?

From: aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:40:14 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



At 04:21 PM 10/16/98 -0400, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Bill Tuttle <maclain@mindspring.com>:

>>

>I've been taking SJW for 6 or 7 months now with good results. I have been

>using the "standardized" 300mg capsules. Could you please explain more

>about why many people on this list seem to dislike the standardized SJW?

>What are you recommendations?

>

>Thanks.

>

>   ---Bill Tuttle







Bill... 



I won't presume to speak for anyone else, but when one takes a natural

biological product and packages it to a "standard" level of one component

or another, it effectively means that you "standardize" on the LEAST

normally occuring proportion of that component in order to be able to

generate sufficient quantities for commercial applications.  This is not to

say that certain representative individuals won't contribute more than the

"standard" but in bulk the "least common denominator" rules.  This means

that additional amounts of the standard component often need to be added

... and this is normally done without the rest of the constituents of, in

this case, the plant.



Many of us believe that, while presumptive activity might well accrue to

one or another of the individual components, the true (natural, if you

will) therapeutic activity is best (some might say ONLY) achieved by

utilization of the entire spectrum of that plant's components in their

natural ratios.  Standardization is arguably adulteration.



Recommendations?  Utilize the entire plant as it is.  If you don't have

access to SJW where you live such that you might preserve your own, then

buy bulk and utilize from there.  Many folks on the list are partial (or so

it would seem) to tinctures... I, on the other hand, prefer infusions...

but either way, I think we all pretty much agree that the entire spectrum

of SJW components in their naturally occuring ratios is preferable to ratio

manipulation.



Just my personal opinion... and not to be construed as presumptive of the

opinion of any one else.



Scott Carlton

carlton@mint.net



















































































































































































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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: side effects/toxicity of SJW?

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 21:24:13 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Standardization only means that the specific ingredient used as a

benchmark is in the quantity  specified.  If it meant that the full

spectrum of ingredients were present in a specific potency, then it might

be a useful designation, but it has nothing to do with quality.  The

pills often are made of inferior grade herb which is deficient in a

number of important active constituents and are only beefed up with

hypericin, which is not the most important constituent.



Some manufacturers of standardized extracts do use a whole herb extract

to standardize with.  A few of them take care to get the best SJW

flowering tops.  But most large companies tend to have mechanically

harvested herb, taking large swaths of greenery along with the flowering

tips, often not waiting for the peak flowering of each plant.  Many are

extracted with isopropyl alcohol or industrial solvents which can leave

behind residues when evaporated.  If they then beef up the  SJW with only

one constituent, you will have a very different medicine than if you take

a tincture made of buds and flowers in the proper concentration with a

solvent that can be consumed, made with the intention to heal.



SJW is a very complex herb, with 25 or so antidepressant actions using at

least a dozen so-called "active" constituents.  (But when we consider a

herb which we have evolved with for millenia, all of the constituents are

probably active to some degree, either as buffers, antidepressants,

nutrients or something else).  Hypericin is not now considered to be the

most important constituent in the herb for antidepressant purposes.



There is one way in which standardization by industrial processes can

insure quality, to some extent.  There is a process called Pharmaprinting

(nci) which can take a full constituent "snapshot" of an herb which is

then used as a benchmark for standardizing.  The primary use of this

technology is to patent a given array of herbal constituents, which will

most likely raise costs and prevent competition (possibly even from

freshly grown herb), but the technology can also be used to see if an

herbal preparation is of a full spectrum quality.  That is IF the

original plant is at peak ripeness. (I hear that Centrum's new herbal

line will use this process.)



Now I said "to some extent".  Plants are not always the same.  If there

is a dry year or if there is less sunlight, the plant produces

phytochemicals differently.  In different seasons, the plant (or array of

available plants) have different constituents.  But the people in that

environment also behave differently and suffer from different conditions.

 And the changes in those plants, which have co-evolved with human beings

over millenia, most probably suit the changes in the humans around them. 

That is why herbalists stress using local plants, in season or preserved

in traditional ways, made freshly.



With SJW, brand names can help identify quality product, the color of a

tincture can indicate strength, and the skill of the herbalist behind the

product is definitely important. That is why I ask which brands have

given people side effects and I try to avoid recommending them. Most side

effects have ocurred with standardized products and not with

herbalist-made products.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: side effects/toxicity of SJW?

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:17:26 -0400 (EDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



At 09:24 PM 10/16/98 -0400, you wrote:



My thanks for a very enlightening post. One question, please: does the

certification process help the product efficacy, for product selection by

the consumer? And, is the dosage then appropos, or is it (as usual) skewed

for the male body weight? 



And furthur, can taking less than the recommended dosages and then titrating

one's self up to the desired benefit pose a danger, do you think? We are all

so very unique, you know! (laughing). I read somewhere that SJW was not

harmful at, but no more effective at four doses of capsules standardized to

0.3% hypericin (150 mg/dose) than three doses. Is a puzzlement! With three

caps I sleep 5 1/2-6 hours instead of the usual four in shifts and the

desiired straight eight. I'm reluctant to use more without more info.



 In my part of the world there are few to none qualified herbalist's, and

even those are at great distance and poorly available---and, of course,

one's insurance frowns strictly upon taking money out of the pockets of

MD's, and pharmaceutical co's..  <grin>.  (and how is one to judge quickly

and cheaply? Capital letters, even as in "MD", do not always deserve trust.

In fact, in "MD" I would venture to say that only 60% of the time can you

hope for competancy, let alone brilliance, a quality I rather hope for when

seeking and paying for improved health via addressing cause, not effect). 



>From the time one is a child, one looked with trust to the old-fasioned

doctor who made house calls, was therefore intimately aware of family

genetics, environment, etc, and could then practice the Hippocratic oath of

"if not cure, then not harm"). I slowly let go of this positive thinking,

which has it's own set of benefits, and have been slowly working my way

toward alternatives,(and another set of positive thinking--Pollyana) and I

must say that I am impressed, and my "conditions" are greatly improved, but

still very cautious. 



But my husband now has artheriosclerosis, and this is a whole new kettle of

fish--I dare not take charge of experimenting without training in this

life/death treatment. Yet I know the doctors are only addressing symptoms,

and they themselves seem reluctant--no, they refuse--to do battle with the

implaccable plaque which is beginning to shut off the carotids, cloud my

husband's mind, and clearly predicts disaster if an aggressive determination

to stop it is not taken. He himself is either resigned,,male-like, thinks

himself uniquely able to do business as usual with his life style (tho he

will, grumbling, swallow EFA's, MSM, eat a bit more raw foods and less meat

and dairy). Well, it's his life and death, but while he is in the mood to

swallow, I'd like to slip in a little CoQ-10, hawthorne, bromelein, more

vitE, whatever--but my interest and study of herbs and alternatives over the

past 6-7 years has been for my own small ailments, tho my confidence here is

growing daily. But this strong as a horse husband is just starting to have

serious trouble this year, and he thinks himself indestructable (as good a

way to feel as any, I guess).



Well---thanks. This mailing list is a godsend for tactical and spiritual

support.



Pat



>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>Standardization only means that the specific ingredient used as a

>benchmark is in the quantity  specified.  If it meant that the full

>spectrum of ingredients were present in a specific potency, then it might

>be a useful designation, but it has nothing to do with quality.  

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: side effects/toxicity of SJW?

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 21:52:20 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Pat  Stephens

<pat@mindspring.com> writes:

>My thanks for a very enlightening post. One question, please: does the

>certification process help the product efficacy, for product selection

by

>the consumer?



Not really.  IF they certified for all of the constituents it might, but

they do not. Some appear to be packing excessive doses in a capsule,

despite hypercin standardization, judging from adverse reactions.  More

often than not the non-standardized product made by a knowlegable

herbalist is superior.  





> And, is the dosage then appropos, or is it (as usual) skewed

>for the male body weight? 





One gram per day is probably good for women too.  I've found men

sometimes need a higher dose, but it is individual.



>And furthur, can taking less than the recommended dosages and then

titrating

>one's self up to the desired benefit pose a danger, do you think? 



The SJW ought to be titrated up from a quarter dose, over time (one

quarter dose more each week) , so one can stop increasing after three

weeks if the dose seems sufficient for a small woman.  It takes 3-6 weeks

however for the SJW to build up in the body so you might not register

accurately for dosage a 3 weeks.  If  a person has adverse reactions,

stepping back the dosage is reasonable.  If it is not effective for SAD

or depression, try increasing the dosage.  If it is not effective for

anxiety, that is because SJW is not an anti-anxiety herb and a different

herb is needed.  (Kava, skullcap or passiflora, for example).



AIDS dosages are often 30 times as much as depression dosages, and

adverse reactions, while not unknown, are still rare at that level.  I

find that depression doses will cause my skin to break out, so I tend to

use it as a vulnurary or antimicrobial herb, in short term doses.  



> In my part of the world there are few to none qualified herbalist's,

and

>even those are at great distance and poorly available---and, of course,

>one's insurance frowns strictly upon taking money out of the pockets 

>of MD's, and pharmaceutical co's..  <grin>. 



Are there any acupuncturists or Doctors of Oriental Medicine?  If

Henriette's suggestions do not work, try these.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Kino?

From: Lory2x2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 08:37:10 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Lory2x2@aol.com:



Can anyone tell me, please, what and where to find "Kino"? I'm playing with

the black salve recipe & have found it called "Pterocampus marsupium" &

"Bastard Teak", but nothing more than the names. Would like to know

description, uses, & availability if possible. TIA     Lory



Lory2x2@aol.com

 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/lory2x2/">Lory's Herb Page</A> 

 <A HREF="http://members.aol.com/reldon2x2/">Lory's Jewelry Page</A> 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbal Bookworm Site

From: dpotocki <dpotocki@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 11:30:24 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from dpotocki <dpotocki@erols.com>:



I am interested in purchasing a comprehensive herbal reference for

someone who wishes to grow her own herbs and intelligently determine the

many wonderful ways they can improve our lives...culinary/nutritional

aspects, medicinal aspects, aromatic aspects, historical aspects,

chemical aspects, gardening aspects, and so on. I already have several

"popular" herbal references, but after joining this herb list and

reading so many of the posts, I find more and more of my questions are

not answered in those books.  My "have to see for myself" attitude is

coming through! Besides, the joy of growing and harvesting one's own

plants is sooooooo rewarding! Just love the looks on people's faces when

I hand them a gift of fresh, hand-snipped rosemary, perfect example of

aromatherapy! Can't just stop there, though, have to KNOW more!



The Bookworm critical review of Varro Tyler's writings and several trips

to the bookstore have made me realize how important it is to have the

best possible research materials....and how difficult it is to make such

selections. Also, the Tyler review has a fascinating lead-in to a better

understanding of herb "standardization" issues re: wholistic quality vs.

chemical quantity. Thanks for posting that site!



Donna Potocki



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Tyler and German E

From: Ed Blonz <ed@blonz.com>

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:31:08 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Ed Blonz <ed@blonz.com>:



Keep in mind that the Tyler book Honest Herbal was published in June of 1993, which

means that it was written in 1991, and handed to the publisher in early 1992.

Likewise, Herbs of Choice was published in  1994, which means it is based on pre

1993 info.    The Herbal Bookworm used quite a bit of later science as the main

daggers in his condemnation of Tyler's books.    Those of you familiar with the

scientific literature would appreciate that it has its variances, and one cannot

simply extract one study to prove a point.



I credit Tyler with attempts to bring science to the table.  It is far better than

going on intuition, where one is subject to the whims of self-proclaimed experts.

There are true masters in the field of herbology, but as we all know, the field is

growing quite rapidly, and the public is clamoring for knowledge.    There are books

galore out there.    How can the average Jane/John Q Public know who's who, and who

knows what?   They look for official sanction and credentials from recognized

institutions,  Tyler has these both.   To also trash the German E Commission makes

no sense at all.   We stand at the verge of mainstream acceptance of what some of us

have realized to be a longstanding reality.  It seems questionable to diss those

that might help, even thought we might not agree with everything they say.



During my research on herbs, I consulted books from the big names in the herbal

world.  I found that recommendations for specific health conditions sometimes

differed enormously.   One person uses this herb, another uses something totally

different.   The only method I found to determine what to recommend came after

consulting the scientific literature to learn about the physical chararteristics and

active compounds in the herbs.   Only then could I gain some understanding about the

physiological effects of the herbs and make sense (or nonsense) of the

recommendations.



I think there is room for many voices in the field.  The main unifying force is that

they are all interested in learning about herbs, how they work and how they can

help.







Ed Blonz



--

     Maintaining a positive attitude may not solve all your

 problems, but it will annoy enough people to make it worthwhile.

           \\ //            ed@blonz.com

          ( o o )     http://www.blonz.com/blonz

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tyler and German E

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 16 Oct 1998 18:52:23 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



On Fri, 16 Oct 1998 09:31:08 -0700 Ed Blonz <ed@blonz.com> writes:

 

>Keep in mind that the Tyler book Honest Herbal was published in June of

1993, which

>means that it was written in 1991, and handed to the publisher in early

1992.



Ed,



If Tyler's only writings were biased by historical availability of

scientific data, he wouldn't have earned the enmity of practicing

herbalists. (After all, even David Hoffman once thought that women with

breast cancer should probably avoid red clover because of phytoestrogens,

but he reconsidered when he saw that the traditional uses of Trifolium to

treat cancer actually worked.)  The problem is that Tyler refuses to

consider clinical applications (centuries of them), and that he fails to

distinguish the difference between the whole and isolated constituents,

even to this day.  He speaks continuously , slamming herbal medicine, and

has somehow set himself up as an expert.  Fortunately in countries

outside the US where there is a strong tradition of botanical medicine,

Tyler is barely regarded at all.



>They look for official sanction and credentials from recognized 

>institutions,  Tyler has these both.



How he managed to get sanctioned when he has no clinical experience and

has trouble recognizing herbs in the wild is beyond me. 

Phytopharmacognosy is not botanical medicine and is of more use in

learning to extract chemicals from plants than to evaluate how herbal

medicine actually works.



>   To also trash the German E Commission makes no sense at all.



Comission E has some usefulness, but it reports upon consensus and to

those of us using differential diagnosis, averaging responses of people

who might not all benefit from treatment with a specific herb leaves half

the job undone.  (And herbal medicine in Germany tends to be quite

allopathic in approach, so consensus among practicioners does not

necessarily address applications that trained herbalists elsewhere would

tend to use.)  The uses and cautions are accordingly quite conservative. 

More importantly the commission data is quite dated.  



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: finding practitioners, was side effects/toxicity of SJW?

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 1998 16:25:11 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



>In my part of the world there are few to none qualified herbalist's, and

>even those are at great distance and poorly available---and, of course,



Where are you at? 



If you're anywhere in the US you'll find qualified practitioners by contacting,

for example, the AHG (American Herbalists Guild).



If you're in Austrailia or New Zealand you can try the NHAA (National Herbalists

Association of Australia). 



If you're in the UK try asking the NIMH (National Institute of Medical

Herbalists).



You'll find practitioners if you -look- for them.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: seratonin and horehound

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 10:57:39 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:



I just read that an infusion of horehound (Marrubiam vulgare) may interfere with

the action of Serotonin.  It said that horehound may not be suitable for anyone

suffering from low blood pressure. [Herbal Research Manual for Professional

Therapeutics by J. Heinerman]



With that in mind, does anyone know of any bad interactions using horehound and SJW

simultaneously?  And what if someone were using antidepressants (there are ones

that affect seratonin uptake, if I remember correctly).



As one who would like to someday assist in a natural health care situation, is this

a concern if one were to advise an infusion of horehound for other problems, such

as colds, coughs, etc while the patient was using either SJW or an antidepressant?



Thanks in advance,



Susana

http://members.tripod.com/~Susana_X/index-2.html







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: seratonin and horehound

From: oinonenehren@macalester.edu

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 19:33:11 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:



Now is horehound the herb that guaifenesin is patterned after, or is that

some other herb?  Because guaifenesine would also be something to watch

out for then, I assume...

Chris

oinonenehren@macalester.edu



On Sun, 18 Oct 1998, Susana Augustyn wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:

> 

> I just read that an infusion of horehound (Marrubiam vulgare) may interfere with

> the action of Serotonin.  It said that horehound may not be suitable for anyone

> suffering from low blood pressure. [Herbal Research Manual for Professional

> Therapeutics by J. Heinerman]

> 

> With that in mind, does anyone know of any bad interactions using horehound and SJW

> simultaneously?  And what if someone were using antidepressants (there are ones

> that affect seratonin uptake, if I remember correctly).

> 

> As one who would like to someday assist in a natural health care situation, is this

> a concern if one were to advise an infusion of horehound for other problems, such

> as colds, coughs, etc while the patient was using either SJW or an antidepressant?

> 

> Thanks in advance,

> 

> Susana

> http://members.tripod.com/~Susana_X/index-2.html

> 

> 







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To: herb@MyList.net, herbinfo@bolis.com, paracelsus@teleport.com

Subject: 54 new pics on my site

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 14:00:48 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



Just went thru checking the links - 54 new pics (mainly plants) from Arizona

available in my ftp space, and on my website.



Among the additions you'll find lots and lots of spiny things, most of which are

medicinal - if you dare pick them...



The descriptions are here:

http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/sw.html; all the new pics are marked

'new'.



Have fun

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: cod liver oil

From: Alisa Mantoni <angel@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 11:59:48 -0400 (EDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from Alisa Mantoni <angel@gwis2.circ.gwu.edu>:





hello everyone...



what is the connection with cod liver oil and gaining weight?  i have a

friend who wants to gain weight so he bought cod liver oil pills and i was

wondering how, and if, this really works.  has anyone heard of this at

all?

i'd appreciate the input.

thanks,

lisa

















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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Chickweed

From: Debbie McDonald <lullwatr@flash.net>

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:15:32 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Debbie McDonald <lullwatr@flash.net>:



Hello all,

  I am your student. I have heard some good things about chickweed and also

that there is controversy. As my health is not good, can someone enlighten me

on this herb and how to harvest. Many thanks Debbie





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Chickweed

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:28:15 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Debbie McDonald <lullwatr@flash.net>:



I have harvested chickweed but never for drying, only for eating raw or cooked.

Since it grows rather low to the ground, it must be rinsed carefully to clean

out the dirt.  Chickweed never harmed me, and I once ate 34 ounces, cooked, in 

five days.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chickweed

From: Magda2@aol.com

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 06:56:01 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:



I have just made a chickweed salve.I dried a bunch of it and then infused it

in olive oil. I added some beeswax to thicken and added a few drops of vit E.

Good for rashes,eczema and minor cuts and scrapes. I carry a little tiny 1/4

oz tub in my purse and use it for lip balm. Fresh chickweed I have added to

salads and soups. Yummy. M.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chickweed

From: Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 09:50:33 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Anita Hales <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 03:15 PM 10/18/98 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Debbie McDonald <lullwatr@flash.net>:

>

>Hello all,

>  I am your student. I have heard some good things about chickweed and also

>that there is controversy. As my health is not good, can someone enlighten me

>on this herb and how to harvest. Many thanks Debbie

>

>

Any herb has a specific realm in which it is effective and useful in the

aspect of a specific problem and specific application for it.  Chickweed is

a wonderful herb when applied correctly (as with any herb).  It is often

used as a lung remedy (congestion and asthma mainly).  Chickweed is also

commonly eaten as a green.  It is an extremely common weed found all over

the place.  I ended up with a nice patch after putting horse manure on my

garden.  Lately it has been used in dietary formulas because it tends to

lessen appetite (as antihistamines often do).  There may be evidence that

it aids in blood sugar balance.

I do not consider this a dangerous herb but ALL herbs should be used with

knowledge and care.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"Oh, drat these computers! They are so naughty and so complex, I could just

pinch them."

 **Marvin the Martian**

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Anita Hales, CH                   hales1@alaska.ktn.net

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chickweed

From: Paula Moran <gemhound@dnet.net>

Date: Wed, 21 Oct 1998 20:34:48 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Paula Moran <gemhound@dnet.net>:



My partner had blood poisioning and was seriously ill, perhaps life-threateningly

so.  He'd stepped on a 3" nail, we treated it with coloidal silver and talking

echinacea, but unfortunately the infection went all through him.

About a week into this, when he realized he was seriously ill, he started taking

chickweed along with goldenseal, echinacea;  simultaneously, he made a poulitice

out of chickweed, cayenne, honey, raw grated ginger, and kelp.  This poultice

drew all the poison back into his foot from where he was able to release it.

I think it worked a miracle in this case.  That was wonderful drawing salve, and

he feels taking the chickweed internally helped enormously as well.

Paula Moran











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Chickweed

From: ZPXS08B@prodigy.com (MR CAPP A GIDNEY)

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:55:22, -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from ZPXS08B@prodigy.com (MR CAPP A GIDNEY):





Hi all,

As I'm just studying herbs I was wondering if there is a chance of 

getting the exact recipe for this salve and is it storeable or does 

it have to be made freash each time?



Thanks,

Carol





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: MAO

From: Jeffrey Irwin Flocker <jif2@dana.ucc.nau.edu>

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 13:30:31 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Jeffrey Irwin Flocker <jif2@dana.ucc.nau.edu>:





Of course, when the discussion of MAO was on the list, I deleted a number

of the messages since I had just had surgery and didn't have alot of time

to read posts.  Now, I want to take DLPA for pain and the warning says

don't give with MAO anti-depressant drugs.  I take a valerian, hops, black

cohosh, cayenne pepper, scullcap, and wood betony combo herbal capsule and

was wondering if any of these herbs are MAO effecting?



Thanks.

Since this has been discussed please feel free to e-mail me privately.



Karen

jif2@dana.ucc.nau.edu







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:MAO

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 23:06:24 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Jeffrey Irwin Flocker <jif2@dana.ucc.nau.edu>:



I don't know what DLPA is but assume it is a conventional nonherbal 

prescription painkiller.  Prescription painkillers tend to leave you mentally

in a daze, so I would avoid them unless really necessary.  There are herbs that

can mollify pain, but postsurgical pain can be industrial-strength.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Resource Information

From: Kathy Batts-Lewis <klewis1@elp.rr.com>

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 15:30:13 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Kathy Batts-Lewis <klewis1@elp.rr.com>:



Hi Everyone,



I'm interested in learning about herbs and their healing properties. Can 

you suggest quality reference materials?



Thank you all for your valuable time and effort.



Regards,



Kathy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Arteriosclerosis

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 1998 22:57:03 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Pat-



Hawthorn is relatively benign and you can puree the fresh haws at this

time of year (straining out the hard seeds), freeze them and mix them

into his juice.  I  made a cardiotonic elixir with a hawthorn tincture

and tilia (linden) glycerite that is fairly palatable.  Peter suggests

adding European mistletoe to the blend.  I trust that the MD is

monitoring him- just let him know what you are doing.



Make sure his diet contains high levels of antioxidants and flavanoids. 

Blueberries, strawberries, rasberries, pickled beets, spinach, fresh

steamed nettles, yellow squash, steamed or raw violet leaves, mustard

family greens, and broccoli are good.  Also give him shitaki mushrooms,

curries (for the tumeric), and lots of garlic.



Vitamin E, CO-Q10, EFAs and minerals have been shown to help.  For EFAs,

freshly grind flax seed or evening primrose seed in a coffee grinder and

pour into breakfast cereal. A little ground milk thistle seed is also

useful since supplements can stress the liver in my experience.



If the doctor wants to prescribe a diuretic, there is none better than

dandelion which contains potassium. (Prescription diuretics frequently

deplete potassium.)  



Read through the archives, read some of David Hoffman's books ("An

Elder's Herbal", for example), Paul Bergner's books, "The Healing Power

of Minerals" and "The Healing Power of Garlic", Udo Erasmus's book "Fats

that Heal Fats that Kill", Dr. Atkin's "The New DIet Revolution", William

Sears' book "Entering the Zone", Chris Hobb's "Gingko, Elixir of Youth"

and "Stress and Natural Healing" and Jim Duke's "The Green Pharmacy" (for

recepies).



Be careful of the MSM.  Peter suggested that Freelife International's

brand was superior to others. (nci)  I have heard that too much can have

an adverse effect.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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care.

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     William Trotter



On Sat, 17 Oct 1998 12:17:26 -0400 (EDT) Pat  Stephens

<pat@mindspring.com> writes:



>But my husband now has artheriosclerosis, and this is a whole new kettle

of

>fish--I dare not take charge of experimenting without training in this

>life/death treatment. Yet I know the doctors are only addressing

symptoms,

>and they themselves seem reluctant--no, they refuse--to do battle with

the

>implaccable plaque which is beginning to shut off the carotids, cloud my

>husband's mind, and clearly predicts disaster if an aggressive

determination

>to stop it is not taken. He himself is either resigned,,male-like,

thinks

>himself uniquely able to do business as usual with his life style (tho

he

>will, grumbling, swallow EFA's, MSM, eat a bit more raw foods and less 

>meat and dairy). Well, it's his life and death, but while he is in the

mood 

>to swallow, I'd like to slip in a little CoQ-10, hawthorne, bromelein, 

>more vitE, whatever--but my interest and study of herbs and alternatives



>over the past 6-7 years has been for my own small ailments, tho my

confidence 

>here is growing daily. But this strong as a horse husband is just

starting to 

>have serious trouble this year, and he thinks himself indestructable (as



>good a way to feel as any, I guess).



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Subject: RE: Arteriosclerosis

From: "Claudia Meydrech, CN" <meydrech@bellatlantic.net>

Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 09:57:38 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia Meydrech, CN" <meydrech@bellatlantic.net>:



Hi, Karen,



I read the following in your post:



>Be careful of the MSM.

>I have heard that too much can have

>an adverse effect.



I'm not certain there are any herbs in it so don't know

if I'm off-topic :-) but curious about what warnings

you are talking about.  Please point me in the right direction

for research on this as I have someone who takes this

all the time.



Claudia Meydrech, LCN

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herbal alternative to Prednisone??

From: "Astroweezil" <astroweezil@methow.com>

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:20:46 -0700

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Hello all:



Does anyone know of an herbal alternative to Prednisone?  I've got ferrets

with insulinoma and they detest the Prednisone so much that it's not

effective.  Is there anything that may mimic the effects of this med?  All

help is appreciated,



Amber







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: salvia hispanica

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:44:12 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



I am trying to find some info on chia seed of 

salvia hispanica.  i have been searching the web first and can't find

anything in the language that I can read.

any information would be appreciated





Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Fine Teas, Herbs, Spices. Fine Quality Soaps

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs





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Subject: Re: salvia hispanica

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 05:43:57 GMT

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On Mon, 19 Oct 1998 20:44:12 -0700, Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>I am trying to find some info on chia seed of 

>salvia hispanica.  i have been searching the web first and can't find

>anything in the language that I can read.

>any information would be appreciated



Chia seed is a bulk laxative like flax seed or psyllium seed.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: side effects/toxicity of SJW

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 11:17:19 EDT

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To herb@MyList.net from Elfreem@aol.com:



Regarding SJW, Karen writes:

 

>  AIDS dosages are often 30 times as much as depression dosages, and

>  adverse reactions, while not unknown, are still rare at that level.  I

>  find that depression doses will cause my skin to break out, so I tend to

>  use it as a vulnurary or antimicrobial herb, in short term doses.  



It should be noted that nearly all trials of SJW in AIDS patients had a

relatively

high rate of photosensitivity and at least one trial was discontinued for that

very 

reason. Why should an AIDS patient have a higher rate of reactivity you ask? 

I don't think anyone knows ....but this is true for co-trimoxazole (a sulfa

drug for

Pneumocystis carinii pneumonia). In the broad population, the incidence of

adverse effects is less than 5% ...but in the AIDS population, its anywhere

from 50% to 100%. The bottom line ...HIV positive individuals should be

especially cautious about being out in the sun if they are taking SJW. Does 

any one have information on the use of sun screen to decrease SJW

photosensitivity? 



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Herb Nutrition Newsletter/Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: side effects/toxicity of SJW

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 20:28:00 -0400 (EDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



At 11:17 AM 10/20/98 EDT, you wrote:



May I ask exactly what the symptoms are, and how serious, and how long does

it take to reverse to normal (I assume it is reversible?) I have been taking

the routine dosage fro a couple of months, and if I am not psychosensitive

(grin) my face has a certain rosiness, and my tolerance of cold air is much

greater. As it does help insomnia, I am reluctant to stop taking it, but...



Pat



>..... The bottom line ...HIV positive individuals should be

>especially cautious about being out in the sun if they are taking SJW. Does 

>any one have information on the use of sun screen to decrease SJW

>photosensitivity? 

>

>Regards,

>

>Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

>Herb Nutrition Newsletter/Midwest Shared Newsletter

>Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists

>









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbal prednisone?

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:22:46 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to "Astroweezil" <astroweezil@methow.com>:



I too am looking for a herbal alternative to prednisone, even though I have

never taken prednisone, to stop or mollify inflammation and allergic reactions.

According to John Lust's Herb Book, agave (juice), black cohosh, chaste tree

(fruit), ginseng, hops, licorice, Mexican yam, purple trillium, sage,

sarsaparilla, star grass (Aletris farinosa) and stoneseed (Lithospermum 

ruderale) contain steroid substances or produce hormone-like activity.  But

this is not necessarily to say that they can fight inflammation and allergic

reactions as prednisone might do.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbal prednisone?

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 08:33:25 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



It depends upon the cause, but a list colleague has been susccessful at

treating a prednisone-treated disease with viral etiology using a strong

anti-viral tonic (Ground Ivy - Tobacco - Motherwort - Lomatium, Olive

leaf etc,) with Usnea tincture as a primary treatment.



The last child he treated came off his prednisone (and lost 40 pounds and

the

typical pumpkin head appearance) and has a platelet count typically in

the 200 - 230 range, where normal is touted as being in the 150+ range

and prior to treatment it was in the low double digits.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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care.

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altered  seeds with "terminator " genes.



On Tue, 20 Oct 1998 23:22:46 -0400 tmueller@bluegrass.net writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:

>

>In response to "Astroweezil" <astroweezil@methow.com>:

>

>I too am looking for a herbal alternative to prednisone, even though I 

>have

>never taken prednisone, to stop or mollify inflammation and allergic 

>reactions.

>According to John Lust's Herb Book, agave (juice), black cohosh, 

>chaste tree

>(fruit), ginseng, hops, licorice, Mexican yam, purple trillium, sage,

>sarsaparilla, star grass (Aletris farinosa) and stoneseed 

>(Lithospermum 

>ruderale) contain steroid substances or produce hormone-like activity. 

> But

>this is not necessarily to say that they can fight inflammation and 

>allergic

>reactions as prednisone might do.

>

>Thomas Mueller

>tmueller@bluegrass.net

>

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Kitchen remedies

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:39:41 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



I've recently staged two herb exhibitions in two different cities, and done a

couple of lectures too. These always generate feedback, like this:



"A friend of mine had a kennel, and developed an allergy to dogs. The doctors

said she would have to get rid of her dogs, but an old woman in the village

said, nonsense, go get the leaf of Ledum palustre growing in sand (it's normally

a bog plant), dry that, and drink the tea for a couple of weeks. No more

allergies."



or



"Did you know that a teaspoon of the infused oil of St. John's wort can get rid

of a stomach ulcer of years standing? You take it each morning for several weeks

on an empty stomach."



or



"Lovage (Levisticum officinale) has been used for potence problems in elderly

men. I've noted that it's much more effective if both partners know about it ;)"



So, what's your favorite kitchen remedy?



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Kitchen remedies

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 18:07:47 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:28:17 EDT, Seylerl@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



><< "A friend of mine had a kennel, 

(snip)

>

>Any information on where this can be obtained would be greatly appreciated.

>I've developed an allergy to my fur-friends, and I will never give them up...

>but the sneezing, itchy eyes, ect..... are driving me nutty.



The idea is not that you need this particular herb, the idea is that you want to

look for herbs which work for this close to you. Ask your herbal elders about

it, you might be amazed.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: ground mace

From: rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 07:18:15 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>:



What is this?? 



I just bought some "ground mace" in the spice section of the local

grocery. Does anyone here know its herbal background or what it is?



Thanks, Randy





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: ground mace

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 09:35:26 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



>I just bought some "ground mace" in the spice section of the local

>grocery. Does anyone here know its herbal background or what it is?

>Thanks, Randy





If you look closely at a freshly dried whole, unground nutmeg, you will

notice slight grooves or channels around its surface.  When the nutmeg was

Really fresh, off the tree, it was covered with  red colored mace...where

you now see the grooves.



Mace is the outer membranous covering to the nutmeg, similar in taste and

culinary uses to the nutmeg.  It becomes more brownish orange as it dries.

I do not recall whether it has the same "narcotic" properties as nutmeg.



Picture here...

http://wwwchem.uwimona.edu.jm:1104/lectures/nutmeg.html



Joanie







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ground mace

From: oinonenehren@macalester.edu

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:22:50 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:



Mace is the outer covering of nutmeg.  Very similar taste/smell.  Unaware

of any medicinal use for it, but it does add a bright, almost lemony

flavor when used in small quantities in baked goods.  Anyone who is

allergic/sensitive to nutmeg should probably avoid mace too. 



Chris 

oinonenehren@macalester.edu 



On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, rkb5795 wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>:

> 

> What is this?? 

> 

> I just bought some "ground mace" in the spice section of the local

> grocery. Does anyone here know its herbal background or what it is?

> 

> Thanks, Randy

> 







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ground mace

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 13:05:05 -0400 (EDT)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



At 07:18 AM 10/22/98 -0500, you wrote:



Mace is the outer shell of the nutmeg. It is lovely in pumpkin pie,

sprinkled on custard, and in warm milk toddy at bedtime. Deepak Chopra

recommends grated nutmeg, cinnamon and cardamon sprinkled on warm milk; I

wonder if mace is also a warming, relaxing spice?



Pat



>To herb@MyList.net from rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>:

>

>What is this?? 

>

>I just bought some "ground mace" in the spice section of the local

>grocery. Does anyone here know its herbal background or what it is?

>

>Thanks, Randy

>









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ground mace

From: Nodigio@aol.com

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 14:05:47 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Nodigio@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-22 12:27:24 EDT, you write:



<< Mace is the outer covering of nutmeg.  Very similar taste/smell.  Unaware

 of any medicinal use for it,  >>





Medicinally, mace is used similar to nutmeg - as an aid to digestion, however,

other herbs perform that function better (but perhaps not as tastefully).



--------Nod------





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To: herb@MyList.net

From: Seylerl@aol.com

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 11:28:17 EDT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Seylerl@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-22 07:44:45 EDT, you write:



<< 

 "A friend of mine had a kennel, and developed an allergy to dogs. The doctors

 said she would have to get rid of her dogs, but an old woman in the village

 said, nonsense, go get the leaf of Ledum palustre growing in sand (it's

normally

 a bog plant), dry that, and drink the tea for a couple of weeks. No more

 allergies."

  >>



Any information on where this can be obtained would be greatly appreciated.

I've developed an allergy to my fur-friends, and I will never give them up...

but the sneezing, itchy eyes, ect..... are driving me nutty.



Thanks very much,

Lisa    







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Mace

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 1998 21:55:58 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>:



Nutmeg is a tropical tree (Myristica fragrans) whose fruits are used as spice.

Inner kernel is the nutmeg, aril surrounding the kernel is mace.  Mace does

not necessarily have to be ground.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:mace

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Fri, 23 Oct 1998 21:14:44 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



I wonder what is supposed to be a maximum safe amount of mace or nutmeg to use

in cooking, in terms of amount per serving or amount for one person in one day.

I read that mace and nutmeg are rather similar in chemistry, which I suppose 

means similar possible adverse side effects.  Smell of nutmeg and mace are

similar to my nose.  My experience of several years back is that mace is very

slightly warming; I never noticed a relaxing effect, never noticed any effect

on digestion.



I wish I knew more about herbs beneficial for digestion, but I know some that

are more effective and better smelling/tasting than nutmeg or mace: papaya leaf,

papaya fruit, fresh raw pineapple, raw kiwi fruit.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Threat to biodiversity, wild herbs and heirloom crops

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 01:26:08 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



The USDA is licensing internationally a technology that can put our herbs

at risk, reduce biodiversity and cause widespread famine or expensive

food crops.  Montsanto's Delta and Pine Land subsidiary is applying to

license a genetically altered technology (developed with US tax monies!)

that will cause sterility in second generation seeds. Farmers would be

forced to purchase seeds from Montsanto every year instead of saving

seeds. National applications for this technology are moving forward - or

have issued - in Australia, Brazil, Canada, Japan, South Africa, most

European countries, and 

probably more jurisdictions.



Scientists warn that, under certain conditions, the trait for seed

sterility will flow, via pollen, from Terminator crops to surrounding

plants, making the seeds of neighboring plants sterile.  This has two

implications.  First, farmers who do not purchase Montsanto seeds may

find that their  saved seeds are sterile, causing widespread famine and

die off of annual plants.  Heirloom strains could die off, by picking up

the inability to reproduce through cross pollination. Secondly, weeds and

wild plants which are growing adjacent to Terminator crops may also pick

up the sterility characteristics.



Secondly, the seeds will have tetracycline residues, which can alter the

probiotic balance of our bodies, those of wild animals which feed upon

the crops and soil bacteria. Since it is unlikely that such crops will be

identified in grocery stores, people will harm their bodies

unsuspectingly.



Please visit the site at http://www.rafi.org/usda.html to stop

Montsanto's genetically altered  seeds with "terminator " genes.  You can

easily send off letters to:



The Honorable Dan Glickman

Secretary of Agriculture

200-A Whitten Bldg.

1400 Independence Ave., SW

Washington  DC  20250



and



admars@ars.usda.gov

bob.smith@mail.house.gov

senator_lugar@lugar.senate.gov





Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: dandelion

From: rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 09:03:33 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>:



Does anyone here have (or know of) a commercial source of fresh

dandelion latex? I'm also interested in obtaining some quality dandelion

in the form of capsules or teas. Many thanks, Randy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: "P. Hironimus" <whiteowl@digisys.net>

Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 10:01:59 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "P. Hironimus" <whiteowl@digisys.net>:



Have you tried http://www.frontiercoop.com/



rkb5795 wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>:

>

> Does anyone here have (or know of) a commercial source of fresh

> dandelion latex? I'm also interested in obtaining some quality dandelion

> in the form of capsules or teas. Many thanks, Randy











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:12:18 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sat, 24 Oct 1998 09:03:33 -0500, rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>Does anyone here have (or know of) a commercial source of fresh

>dandelion latex? 



That'd be interesting, as fresh latex doesn't keep unless you dry it or tincture

it - and then it isn't fresh anymore.

Have you tried to pick your own dandelion greens and juice+freeze or tincture

that up?

If it really is realistic to expect fresh dandelion latex to be available in

commerce I'd like to know what it's used for. Dandelion I know. Latex, used as a

caustic agent for eg. wart removal, I know. But that wouldn't seem to warrant

the expense in time and money to keep it available, fresh... especially as it's

available, fresh, all around us, all summer long, as dandelions.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 19:15:51 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Dandelion leaves lose potency when dried.  Fortunately they grow

everywhere, even in cities and large leafed forms are often sold in

health food or gourmet grocery stores as an edible green.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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care.

Check http://www.rafi.org/usda.html to stop Montsanto's genetically

altered  seeds with "terminator " genes.



>> Does anyone here have (or know of) a commercial source of fresh

>> dandelion latex? I'm also interested in obtaining some quality 

>dandelion

>> in the form of capsules or teas. Many thanks, Randy

>

>

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: natural <natural@wt.net>

Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:41:38 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from natural <natural@wt.net>:



Sigh, if dandelions grow everywhere, why not in my city?  Seriously, I have

looked so hard for them, even tried growing them myself in the spring from

OG Dandelion Seeds and no results.  We have what is called False Texas

dandelions; not the taraxacum officinale.



Yes Karen, dried dandelion leaves lose potency.  Have bought pounds dry and

not had the expected results.



Rosie

Back to Nature



> To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

> Dandelion leaves lose potency when dried.  Fortunately they grow

> everywhere, even in cities and large leafed forms are often sold in

> health food or gourmet grocery stores as an edible green.

>

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 07:34:11 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:41:38 -0500, natural <natural@wt.net> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>Sigh, if dandelions grow everywhere, why not in my city?  Seriously, I have

>looked so hard for them, even tried growing them myself in the spring from

>OG Dandelion Seeds and no results.  We have what is called False Texas

>dandelions; not the taraxacum officinale.



You can use -whatever- plant that's called Taraxacum. It's a very inbred genus.

No need for the Taraxacum "officinale" which isn't even called that anymore;

it's now about 73 different forms of Taraxacum so it's lumped under some weird

botanical term. It wasn't "sensu lato" though.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: PETERGAIL@aol.com

Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:21:57 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from PETERGAIL@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-25 02:37:59 EST, you write:



<< You can use -whatever- plant that's called Taraxacum. It's a very inbred

genus.

 No need for the Taraxacum "officinale" which isn't even called that anymore;

 it's now about 73 different forms of Taraxacum so it's lumped under some

weird

 botanical term. It wasn't "sensu lato" though.

  >>

Yes, you can use any Taraxacum sp., but not any Cichorium sp., and that is

what is grown and sold as Italian Dandelions in the United States supermarkets

most of the year.  Chicory is close in its therapeutic effects, but not the

same. Taraxacum has the edge over its relative as a medicinal herb.



Peter Gail, Ph.D. Author of "The Dandelion Celebration: A Guide to Unexpected

Cuisine"  Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box 18016,

Cleveland OH 44118, petergail@aol.com    (216)932-2145





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 15:34:58 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:21:57 EST, PETERGAIL@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>Yes, you can use any Taraxacum sp., but not any Cichorium sp., and that is

>what is grown and sold as Italian Dandelions in the United States supermarkets

>most of the year.  Chicory is close in its therapeutic effects, but not the

>same. Taraxacum has the edge over its relative as a medicinal herb.



Chicory is a very good substitute for dandelion root. They're practically the

same. Why do you say that they are not?



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: PETERGAIL@aol.com

Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 10:29:50 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from PETERGAIL@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-25 02:37:59 EST, you write:



<< On Sat, 24 Oct 1998 22:41:38 -0500, natural <natural@wt.net> wrote to

 herb@MyList.net:

 

 >Sigh, if dandelions grow everywhere, why not in my city?  Seriously, I have

 >looked so hard for them, even tried growing them myself in the spring from

 >OG Dandelion Seeds and no results.  We have what is called False Texas

 >dandelions; not the taraxacum officinale. >>

False Texas dandelion is not a Taraxacum at all, but Pyrrhopappus multicaulis.

There are only 3 or 4 Taraxacum sp. found in the US, although there are some

75 in Asia and Europe. Therefore, most everything mistaken for dandelions are

some other Asteraceous genus with flowers and maybe leaves superficially like

dandelions.



Want good seeds, try Johnny's Selected Seeds in Albion ME or Stokes Seeds in

Buffalo NY. 

Peter A. Gail, Ph.D. author of "The Dandelion Celebration: A Guide to

Unexpected Cuisine"  Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box

18016, Cleveland OH 44118  petergail@aol.com  (216)932-2145





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: PETERGAIL@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:33:42 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from PETERGAIL@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-26 10:40:51 EST, you write:



<< >Yes, you can use any Taraxacum sp., but not any Cichorium sp., and that is

 >what is grown and sold as Italian Dandelions in the United States

supermarkets

 >most of the year.  Chicory is close in its therapeutic effects, but not the

 >same. Taraxacum has the edge over its relative as a medicinal herb.

 

 Chicory is a very good substitute for dandelion root. They're practically the

 same. Why do you say that they are not? >>



Pardon me, Henriette, I misspoke, and can't remember why. If you change the

first sentence to read "Yes you can use any Taraxacum sp, but what is grown

and sold on the US market  most of the year is not dandelion, but various

varieties of chicory." that should correct my statement.  While very similar,

the are not "practically the same", however. Taraxacum is, in my opinion,

incrementally better than chicory --- both are good liver tonics, blood

purifiers and diuretics, but Taraxacum has a broader range of bioactive

chemicals, more health conditions in which it is useful. 



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:46:45 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:33:42 EST, PETERGAIL@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>the are not "practically the same", however. Taraxacum is, in my opinion,

>incrementally better than chicory --- both are good liver tonics, blood

>purifiers and diuretics, but Taraxacum has a broader range of bioactive

>chemicals, more health conditions in which it is useful. 



Talking about root here: if you only have the one there's no reason to run

across four countries, three seas and five continents to get the other. You can

use the one for the other. Take more chicory than you would dandelion, is all.



I use dandelion greens but haven't tried chicory greens. Perhaps I should?



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion

From: PETERGAIL@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:58:13 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from PETERGAIL@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-27 10:50:54 EST, you write:



<< Talking about root here: if you only have the one there's no reason to run

 across four countries, three seas and five continents to get the other. You

can

 use the one for the other. Take more chicory than you would dandelion, is

all.

  >>

We are in vigourous agreement.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Indian Lotion Plant

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Sat, 24 Oct 1998 07:34:17 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



Dear listers,

  i had a customer call and ask if I had an Indian lotion Plant.  She had

no other name for it.

I did a search and I have found nothing.

I am guessing that it is from the aloe vera plant family.

Has anybody heard of this one?

Thanks for your help





Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Fine Teas, Herbs, Spices. Fine Quality Soaps

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbal testing [Mountain misery (Chamaebatia benth)]

From: John Goude <nature@eee.org>

Date: Sun, 25 Oct 1998 09:39:41 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from John Goude <nature@eee.org>:



There is an herb that the Sierra Indians used to use for flu, colds,

coughs, and STDs.  However it seems that this plant has been forgotten

by herbalists. It is called Mountain misery (Chamaebatia benth).  But

a few locals have tried it and found it to be very effective on some

things.  I have tried this herb several times and had excellent

results.  http://www.eee.org/bus/nature/month/mtmisery.htm



How does one get an herb tested for safety and effectiveness?  At this

point I am trusting the Indians plant knowledge on these points.  I

would like to get better qualitative data on this plant and others

too.  Being that I come to medicinal herbs through the back doer of

studying wild edible plants I have not found the ways of testing such

things as many of you have.



-- 

<>< John Goude ><>            ham: KE6VUB

JEG Development

Yucaipa, CA 92399-5605

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Subject: More dandelion ???

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:25:16 -0600 (CST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:







Is it considered safe to pick the young dandelion leaves from your yard, &

cook & eat?  How about eating harvested dandelion leaves fresh, like in

salads?  I have an old recipe book from Virginia writing about settlers

eating dandelion fresh from the yard.



Thanks,



AmberBarbara







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: More dandelion ???

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 18:42:46 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 26 Oct 1998 12:25:16 -0600 (CST), Barbara <amber@io.com> wrote to :



>To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

>

>Is it considered safe to pick the young dandelion leaves from your yard, &

>cook & eat?  



Sure. The leaves aren't too tasty boiled, but you can fry the flower buds and

roots. Be sure you've got a Taraxacum sp. (hollow flowerstem, only one flower

per stem), and please don't pick close to heavily traficked roads, nor where

somebody has sprayed with pesticides.



>How about eating harvested dandelion leaves fresh, like in

>salads?  



Yep, that's very good. A nice sweet-sour vinegar salad dressing, a bit of fried

bread cubes... yum! If you go for any of the wildfood books there are you'll

find lots and lots of recipes. You could also try a websearch for "wildfood" (or

"wild food") and "dandelion".



Henriette



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: More dandelion ???

From: "Juli Kight" <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us>

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 17:16:45 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Juli Kight" <castle67@cp.duluth.mn.us>:



I picked all summer from my yard, I don't use any fertilizers or chemicals

of any sort, or plant food come to think of it.  Just make sure you have

dandelion and not one of it's many duplicates.  And I would wash it good and

let it dry in case you have small wandering beasties in the form of neighbor

hood dogs and cats!  Next year I will raise some in a bed, I hear they get

just huge.

Juli

Herbs For Health http://herbsforhealth.miningco.com



-----Original Message-----

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Cc: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 12:26 PM

Subject: More dandelion ???





>To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

>

>

>

>Is it considered safe to pick the young dandelion leaves from your yard, &

>cook & eat?  How about eating harvested dandelion leaves fresh, like in

>salads?  I have an old recipe book from Virginia writing about settlers

>eating dandelion fresh from the yard.

>

>Thanks,

>

>AmberBarbara

>







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: More dandelion ???

From: "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:23:01 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>:





-----Original Message-----

From: Barbara <amber@io.com>

Cc: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Monday, October 26, 1998 1:27 PM

Subject: More dandelion ???





>To herb@MyList.net from Barbara <amber@io.com>:

>

>



Shirley Deming attempts to answer questions.





>

>Is it considered safe to pick the young dandelion leaves from your yard, &

>cook & eat?



Here is a very good question. I'll answer it with another question. When was

the last time (if ever) weedkiller was applyed to the lawn? I read somewhere

(Warning: memory malfunction possible. Further resurch required) that if the

intervil was five years or more, than the harvesting of "lawn food" was safe

to eat. (Anyone wish to correct me on this? We are talking about man-made

poisons.)

If you are like me and live on land that has never had any type of

herbicide/pesticide/or any other-cide, than the answer to your question is

"Yes, it is safe to eat the dandilions from your lawn."



  How about eating harvested dandelion leaves fresh, like in

>salads?



I've read about this also. Tried it once and found them alittle too bitter

for my tast. (I prefer sour) This is simply a matter of tast and can be

accuired if you wish. Just besure to harvest "early" in the spring to

minimalize the bitter tast.



 I have an old recipe book from Virginia writing about settlers

>eating dandelion fresh from the yard.



They were probibly repeating what they did in the "old country". If your

interested in the _many_ uses for dandilions look into its uses through out

history. (food, coffee extender/substitute, wine, medicine, dye plant) A

good source would be books writen in the 30's and 40's. (Great Depression

and WW II) Or try books from the 70's. (Back to nature/commune living)



Sorry I can't tell you more. I'm running out of time. (Dandilion is one of

my favorit plants.) Please do the resurch. You will be rewarded to find a

wounderful plant growing in your yard.



Shirley Deming

<cdeming@earthlink.net>









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: More dandelion ???

From: PETERGAIL@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:44:42 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from PETERGAIL@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-26 13:48:01 EST, you write:



<< Sure. The leaves aren't too tasty boiled, but you can fry the flower buds

and

 roots. >>

The bitterness in leaves cannot be eliminated, but can very easily be masked

by using them in any recipe involving tomato sauces (especially seasoned

ones), cheese, bread, pasta.  The key, as with chocolate, is to serve the

bitter with the sweet.  When the dandelions are most bitter, we tend to add

some red pepper flakes to heat it up a bit also.  My book "The Dandelion

Celebration: A Guide to Unexpected Cuisine" contains a chapter on health

benefits, one on masking the bitterness in dandelions, and 75 recipes for

dandelions --- 45 for leaves, 25 for flowers and 5 for roots. A second volume,

made up of some 140 recipes selected as finals in the last 5 National

Dandelion Cookoffs, is called the Great Dandelion Cookbook.  In the 35 years I

have been collecting recipes and folklore for edible wild plants, I have

amassed over 900 recipes for dandelions from 52 countries, and am still

getting more.  The 6th National Dandelion Cookoff will be held April 30- May

1, 1999 in Dover Ohio. We are now soliciting recipes. 



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D.  Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box

18016, Cleveland OH 44118  (216)932-2145, order line (800)697-4858 e-mail

petergail@aol.com. 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: More dandelion ???

From: PETERGAIL@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:53:05 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from PETERGAIL@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-26 18:20:20 EST, you write:



<< Next year I will raise some in a bed, I hear they get

 just huge. >>



You can take dandelions from your lawn, put them in the garden, preferably

under some taller vegetatation, and they will not only be huge, they will be

much less bitter than those growing in full sun.  Less bitter, however, also

means less valuable medicinally, since the bitters which develop with the

sunlight contain much of the therapeutic power of the plant.  Dandelions are

most bitter when in flower. New growth coming up after flowering is almost as

good as young spring greens. We are eating dandelions every day from our

garden here in Ohio, still going into late October. Tonight's dinner will be

Hilda Naftzger's Traditional Pennsylvania German Recipe for Dandelion Gravy,

served over boiled potatos. The dandelion greens and boiled red potatoes will

be harvested this afternoon from our garden. 



Enjoy.



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D.  Specializing in the study of how ethnics use backyard

weeds for food and medicine for the last 35 years. Goosefoot Acres Center for

Resourceful Living, P.O. Box 18016, Cleveland OH 44118 (216)932-2145.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: More dandelion ???

From: PETERGAIL@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:06:24 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from PETERGAIL@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-27 08:20:47 EST, you write:



<< ere is a very good question. I'll answer it with another question. When was

 the last time (if ever) weedkiller was applyed to the lawn? I read somewhere

 (Warning: memory malfunction possible. Further resurch required) that if the

 intervil was five years or more, than the harvesting of "lawn food" was safe

 to eat. (Anyone wish to correct me on this? We are talking about man-made

 poisons.)

 I >>



More accurate for roots is 3 years, for greens, usually 1 year, especially if

the dandelions are growing healthily.  Most of the herbicides used today are

biodegradable,  many will not translocate from roots to new leaves after first

season.

In Ohio, farmers can get transitional organic certification if their soil has

been chemical free for 3 years. In California it is much less. You can pretty

much follow the organic farming certification requirements for guidelines on

when to harvest after chemical use if you want produce which is free from

chemicals. Whether you believe the California standards or more conservative

standards used elsewhere is up to you.



Peter Gail, Ph.D.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Suggestions for scabies

From: Sarah Head <sarah.head@red.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:54:29 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Sarah Head <sarah.head@red.net>:



Greetings everyone,



I wonder if I could ask for some suggestions in the treatment of scabies? A

friend of mine has been infested recently and has had to get an ointment costing

$80 for 3 small jars for herself and her 2 daughters.



I have looked up the problem in David Hoffmann's "Holistic Herbal" and he

recommends an external application of tansy infusion and bitters and nervines

taken internally.



I wondered if any of the herblist members had had experience of treating this

condition. I am very new to the study of herbs, but am aware that the elderly

residential homes in my area are suffering with recurrant bouts of the problem.



Many thanks for your help in this matter



Sarah







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Suggestions for scabies 

From: frisius@javanet.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 07:16:29 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from frisius@javanet.com:



I would think that applying tea tree oil would be ideal for scabies.



Susan Frisius



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Suggestions for scabies

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 22:21:47 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 00:54:29 +0000, Sarah Head <sarah.head@red.net> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>I wonder if I could ask for some suggestions in the treatment of scabies? A

>friend of mine has been infested recently and has had to get an ointment costing

>$80 for 3 small jars for herself and her 2 daughters.



Scabies are tiny bugs which eat their way under your skin - that itches. It

starts at the knuckles of your hand, and the more you scratch the more they

spread. You want to -boil- your bedclothing (and other fabrics) until the

problem is gone, in addition to applying salves, oils or ointments.



Try just any plain oil, but -lots- of it, to suffocate these bugs (I haven't

tried this).



Henriette



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

From: "kathy gauthier" <kgauthie@acs.ryerson.ca>

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 21:19:42 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "kathy gauthier" <kgauthie@acs.ryerson.ca>:



I was wondering if anyone can help me. I am doing a project on herbal

medicines and their benefits and side affects. I am concentrating on those

medicines which come in the pill form. Some popular ones I am looking at are

ginseng, ginko biloba, St. John's wart ect....  What triggered me to look

into this was the recent refusal of Shopper's drug mart to sell Proenzi 99

due to health risks, yet many other health stores still sell it. If you can

give me the scoop on Proenzi 99 or other popuar herbal medicnes, please mail

me back.



Thanks

Kathy









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: More dandelion--roasted root

From: KaiforChi@aol.com

Date: Mon, 26 Oct 1998 22:24:03 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from KaiforChi@aol.com:



And dandelion roots make one of the most satisfyingly earthy beverages (I can

see why Henriette says they and chicory are nearly--if that is what you said,

Henriette--interchangeable). I do love the young greens, but boy, that roasted

root is my absolute favorite tea in the world; it may, however, be an acquired

taste. (They must be roasted, not raw, to get that earthy taste.)



kai





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: More dandelion--roasted root

From: PETERGAIL@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:59:51 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from PETERGAIL@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-26 22:31:35 EST, you write:



<< And dandelion roots make one of the most satisfyingly earthy beverages (I

can

 see why Henriette says they and chicory are nearly--if that is what you said,

 Henriette--interchangeable). I do love the young greens, but boy, that

roasted

 root is my absolute favorite tea in the world; it may, however, be an

acquired

 taste. (They must be roasted, not raw, to get that earthy taste.)

  >>

There are a number of roasted dandelion root "teas" on the market for those

who don't want to take the trouble to make them.  Frontier has them in bulk,

Alvita sells them at least in tea bags, and I think loose also, we sell an

instant roasted dandelion root beverage with is a blend.  The recipe used by

the British Herb Society is in my book The Dandelion Celebration, refered to

in earlier posts in this thread. One problem is that the roots must be roasted

thoroughly or the flavor suffers.

The key is to roast them in a 250 degree oven for 2-4 hours, turning them

regularly, until they are uniformly dark brown all through, and the odor

coming from the oven smells like coffee. Pamela Michael even suggests double

roasting (once before grinding and the second time after grinding) to get that

continental coffee flavor.



Our DandyBlend is becoming a very popular coffee substitute-- no caffeine, no

acidity or bitterness, naturally sweetened with its own fructose--- and

therefore I suspect the others are doing so as well. I know that bulk roasted

dandelion root is one of Frontier Cooperative Herbs best sellers in that

category, ranking somewhere in the top 20.



Peter A. Gail, Ph.D.  Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, Cleveland

OH petergail@aol.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: More dandelion--roasted root

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 17:08:31 -0500 (EST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



At 10:24 PM 10/26/98 EST, you wrote:



See Euell Gibbons, 'Stalking the Wild Asparagus



Pat



>To herb@MyList.net from KaiforChi@aol.com:

>

>And dandelion roots make one of the most satisfyingly earthy beverages (I can

>see why Henriette says they and chicory are nearly--if that is what you said,

>Henriette--interchangeable). I do love the young greens, but boy, that roasted

>root is my absolute favorite tea in the world; it may, however, be an acquired

>taste. (They must be roasted, not raw, to get that earthy taste.)

>

>kai

>









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To: phytopharmacognosy@mailbase.ac.uk, herb@MyList.net

Subject: international regulations

From: S Sinikka Piippo <sspiippo@CC.HELSINKI.FI>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:38:05 +0200 (EET)

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To herb@MyList.net from S Sinikka Piippo <sspiippo@cc.helsinki.fi>:



I am afraid there was some discussion on the list on the subject, which I

ignored for my long trip to China.

Can someone briefly help me with some data on international contracts in

protecting medicinal plants in developing country from exploitation? Where

can I get some knowledge on the topic?





Thank you very much,





Sinikka Piippo

Prof., Botanical Museum

University of Helsinki







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Stevia

From: AnkhSis@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:16:56 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from AnkhSis@aol.com:



Greetings Fellow Listers~



This is my first experience growing Stevia and I can't locate any info on it

in any of my herb books. Perhaps someone here knows or can give me a resource

to look up the info myself. We had a freeze last night and I brought my plant

indoors to avoid losing it. It's done very well for me and is about to flower

so I can't bear the thought of losing it! 

 

My questions are: 

1. Is this plant a good candidate to grow indoors during the winter months?

2. If not, how should I harvest what I have left of it? I've been using the

fresh leaves in tea as a sweetener but I wonder about other ways to use this

herb. 



Thanks in advance!

Robyn

AnkhSis@aol.com





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Stevia

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:38:18 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



Hi Robyn...

I just answered part of this question on the culinary herblist, which seems

to be resurrecting itself to day, and which is the more appropriate forum

for gardening and culinary herb questions...if we can get it really going

again!



>To subscribe  this list, send e-mail to:

> HERBS-L-request@orednet.org

>with the message:

> subscribe



I hope that works......

But anyway...briefly here...



>This is my first experience growing Stevia and I can't locate any info on it

>in any of my herb books.

>1. Is this plant a good candidate to grow indoors during the winter months?



Yes....grow it as you would rosemary...cool, lots of winter sun, tender

perennial...not too much water, good drainage, but do not let it dry out.



Joanie







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Theraputic herbal wraps

From: j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 09:51:25 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):



Greetings!

	Does anyone out there have experience in the use of herbal wraps?

  

	My 15 year ld daughter will be having all 4 of her wisdom teeth

extracted the day after Thanksgiving.  I would like to prepare her

herbally and also treat her afterwards with herbs including external

application.  

	Does anyone have experience with using arnica in an herbal wrap? 

I imagine this would be done by soking a cloth in an infusion and then

applying the cloth along with some sort of insulator (plastic wrap?)  In

this way the heat would help the healing properties to penetrate the

affected area.

	She has had alot of mouth trauma, having both her upper front

teeth knocked out @ age 9, followed by numerous surgeries.

	thank you for your sharing of suggestions on this, for my

daughter Jessica.

			Jenny

	



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herb-related mailing lists?

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 15:43:36 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



I've listed a lot of herb-related mailing lists in the medicinal herbfaq, part 7

(see my .sig). In the entry I ask for comments on the mentioned list addresses,

but haven't received too many in the last year or two - I'm sure a lot of the

info is outdated. 



So I would like any updates you might have for these:



8.2 The Aromatherapy Lists (I'm pretty sure that some of the lists mentioned are

defunct)

8.3 The Holistic Lists (I believe one of these is defunct)

8.4 The Kombucha List

8.6 The Chinese Herblist (defunct?)

8.7 The Homeopathy List 

8.10 The Napronet (defunct?)

8.11 The Altmed-res List (defunct?)

8.12 The HerbMed -List (defunct? if not, please tell me the correct sub address)

8.14 The Wellpet -List

8.15 The Holisticat -List

8.16 The Natural Health & Beauty - List

8.18 The Ayurveda -List

8.19 The Toiletries -List



I'm sure there are more lists than the 20 mentioned in the herbfaq entry, and

I'd like your comments (including sub*cription info) for any you know. Only open

lists that are free of charge are included in the FAQ.



Thanks, and have fun,

Henriette



--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff, archives...





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herb-related mailing lists?

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 13:38:13 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



>To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

>

>I've listed a lot of herb-related mailing lists in the medicinal herbfaq, part 7

>(see my .sig). In the entry I ask for comments on the mentioned list addresses,

>but haven't received too many in the last year or two - I'm sure a lot of the

>info is outdated. 

>

>So I would like any updates you might have for these:

(snip)



Henriette,



could you list my list called "About Herbs" at OneList.com



http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/aboutherbs



It is not as focused on medicinal uses but more on growing and preserving and

animal health and natural beauty type issues.



Thanks

Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Fine Teas, Herbs, Spices. Fine Quality Soaps

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs







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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herb-related mailing lists?

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:33:49 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



>From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

>Subject: Herb-related mailing lists?



>I've listed a lot of herb-related mailing lists in the medicinal herbfaq, part 7

>(see my .sig). In the entry I ask for comments on the mentioned list addresses,

>but haven't received too many in the last year or two - I'm sure a lot of the

>info is outdated.



>So I would like any updates you might have for these:



>8.2 The Aromatherapy Lists (I'm pretty sure that some of the lists mentioned are

>defunct)



The one at idma.com is active and well.  A very enjoyable if chatty bunch.



>8.3 The Holistic Lists (I believe one of these is defunct)



HOLISTIC-L was a complete waste a year ago, but I haven't tried it since.

It has moved to lyghtforce.com



>8.4 The Kombucha List

>8.6 The Chinese Herblist (defunct?)

>8.7 The Homeopathy List



I love this list.  The members and discussions are very informative and

helpful.



>8.10 The Napronet (defunct?)

>8.11 The Altmed-res List (defunct?)



I subscribed to this list over a year ago, and have never received any

mail - not even a confirmation or welcome message.  I'd say its defunct all

right.



>8.12 The HerbMed -List (defunct? if not, please tell me the correct sub address)

>8.14 The Wellpet -List



Another list that I absolutely love.  Again the people and information are

terrific.  Also, although some of the members occasionally squabble, I have

found them to be genuinely caring people who will go to great lengths to

assist you with a problem "off-list".



Marie Winston

b.winston@worldnet.att.net







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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herb-related mailing lists?

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:43:42 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



>>I'm sure there are more lists than the 20 mentioned in the herbfaq entry, and

>>I'd like your comments (including sub*cription info) for any you know. Only open 

>>lists that are free of charge are included in the FAQ.



I forgot to mention a relatively new list that could use some more posters.

It is called Healthquest.  You subscribe through the http://www.onelist.com

website.  It is about the open discussion of any and all aspects of

alternative care, and the search for health for humans and animals.



Marie Winston

b.winston@worldnet.att.net







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herb-related mailing lists?

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:20:02 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>:



> >I've listed a lot of herb-related mailing lists in the medicinal

herbfaq, part 7

> >(see my .sig). In the entry I ask for comments on the mentioned list

addresses,

> >but haven't received too many in the last year or two - I'm sure a lot

of the

> >info is outdated. 

> >

Could you include mine as well, it is fairly new.  It is a strictly

information list called HerbThoughts and it is where I take one herb

starting on a Monday and tell about that herb all week thru Friday.  Not a

gabby list, mostly just informational. I include recipes, growing, and all

the information I can about each herb.  Then the next week I start with a

new herb. 



It is accessable thru my web page (just click on the HerbThoughts link at

the top) at:



http://www.angelfire.com/mo/herbpages/index.html



Thanks,

Marcia "The Herblady" Wilson

Journeywoman Herbalist

*New 200+ page herbal cookbooks are ready!







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: strange condition

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:05:03 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:



Hello everyone, this is a plea for help.



For 7 weeks I've had reoccurring swollen large dark red splotches around my

eyes (in the sinus area) and one on my neck. Doctors put me on Augmentin

(powerful antibiotic) which did nothing and then they decided there was

nothing wrong with me.



I tried treating myself for a yeast infection by taking major doses of Pau

dArco and Super Lysine Plus (lysine w/ garlic, echinacea, vit c, propolis,

licorise, golden seal) and thought i had it on the run BUT it came back

yesterday. I also feel heat and itchiness in these areas, am feeling quite

tired and now i'm starting to get depressed because of this. I have no

other medical conditions and i'm hoping someone out there will have some

ideas as to what this might be.



Throw me some clues or ideas so I can go back to the doctors or do more

research for myself.



Thanks for any input.



Natalie

Natalie Pastor

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu



flowing with the go......







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: strange condition

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 12:05:48 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>:



I is not a butterfly like type of rash across the nose is it?



Not to scare you but if it is it could be a sign of Lupus, but I would

think ANY doctor would know enough to know the looks of that kind of

splotch.



Just my 02 worth,

Marcia the Herblady



----------

> From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

> To: herb@MyList.net

> Subject: strange condition

> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:05 AM

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:

> 

> Hello everyone, this is a plea for help.

> 

> For 7 weeks I've had reoccurring swollen large dark red splotches around

my

> eyes (in the sinus area) and one on my neck. Doctors put me on Augmentin

> (powerful antibiotic) which did nothing and then they decided there was

> nothing wrong with me.

> 

> I tried treating myself for a yeast infection by taking major doses of

Pau

> dArco and Super Lysine Plus (lysine w/ garlic, echinacea, vit c,

propolis,

> licorise, golden seal) and thought i had it on the run BUT it came back

> yesterday. I also feel heat and itchiness in these areas, am feeling

quite

> tired and now i'm starting to get depressed because of this. I have no

> other medical conditions and i'm hoping someone out there will have some

> ideas as to what this might be.

> 

> Throw me some clues or ideas so I can go back to the doctors or do more

> research for myself.

> 

> Thanks for any input.

> 

> Natalie

> Natalie Pastor

> npastor@mail.sdsu.edu

> 

> flowing with the go......

> 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: strange condition

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:20:03 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:



Marcia, no it is under the eyes on my cheeks and because it comes and goes

it has been gone most times i've been to the doctor. i think i'll check out

the lupus idea, just in case. Thanks for your input.

Natalie





>To herb@MyList.net from "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>:

>

>I is not a butterfly like type of rash across the nose is it?

>

>Not to scare you but if it is it could be a sign of Lupus, but I would

>think ANY doctor would know enough to know the looks of that kind of

>splotch.

>

>Just my 02 worth,

>Marcia the Herblady

>

>----------

>> From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

>> To: herb@MyList.net

>> Subject: strange condition

>> Date: Tuesday, October 27, 1998 10:05 AM

>>

>> To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:

>>

>> Hello everyone, this is a plea for help.

>>

>> For 7 weeks I've had reoccurring swollen large dark red splotches around

>my

>> eyes (in the sinus area) and one on my neck. Doctors put me on Augmentin

>> (powerful antibiotic) which did nothing and then they decided there was

>> nothing wrong with me.

>>

>> I tried treating myself for a yeast infection by taking major doses of

>Pau

>> dArco and Super Lysine Plus (lysine w/ garlic, echinacea, vit c,

>propolis,

>> licorise, golden seal) and thought i had it on the run BUT it came back

>> yesterday. I also feel heat and itchiness in these areas, am feeling

>quite

>> tired and now i'm starting to get depressed because of this. I have no

>> other medical conditions and i'm hoping someone out there will have some

>> ideas as to what this might be.

>>

>> Throw me some clues or ideas so I can go back to the doctors or do more

>> research for myself.

>>

>> Thanks for any input.

>>

>> Natalie

>> Natalie Pastor

>> npastor@mail.sdsu.edu

>>

>> flowing with the go......

>>



Natalie Pastor

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu



flowing with the go......







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: strange condition

From: Jacoly <jacoly@kilroys.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:42:13 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Jacoly <jacoly@kilroys.net>:



Or roseacea.



Lesa



>Marcia, no it is under the eyes on my cheeks and because it comes and goes

>it has been gone most times i've been to the doctor. i think i'll check out

>the lupus idea, just in case. Thanks for your input.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: strange condition

From: Cathy Teal <luxurylady@abts.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:38:22 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Cathy Teal <luxurylady@abts.net>:



Natalie,



    Your symptoms sound so very much like something I have suffered in

the past and, actually, have a few of them right now.........Erythema

Nodosum.  I went through SO MANY tests with no real information from the

doctor.  After much of my own research, I finally found a physician who

was able to diagnose my condition.



    Check out this web site:



http://www.healthanswers.com/database/ami/converted/000881.html 



Let me know what else I can do to help.  Do a search for the words

Erythema Nodosum and you will learn a lot.  Let me know if this has been

of any help.



Warmly,

Cathy Teal

(By the way, I am a "newbie" to this list!)





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: strange condition

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:09:49 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:



Thanks so much Cathy, i looked at that page and my splotches don't seem to

fit the description of a nodule. BUT I'm going to do lots more research on

this and mention it to my doctor. What have you been using for your problem?



Natalie



>To herb@MyList.net from Cathy Teal <luxurylady@abts.net>:

>

>Natalie,

>

>    Your symptoms sound so very much like something I have suffered in

>the past and, actually, have a few of them right now.........Erythema

>Nodosum.  I went through SO MANY tests with no real information from the

>doctor.  After much of my own research, I finally found a physician who

>was able to diagnose my condition.

>

>    Check out this web site:

>

>http://www.healthanswers.com/database/ami/converted/000881.html

>

>Let me know what else I can do to help.  Do a search for the words

>Erythema Nodosum and you will learn a lot.  Let me know if this has been

>of any help.

>

>Warmly,

>Cathy Teal

>(By the way, I am a "newbie" to this list!)



Natalie Pastor

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu



flowing with the go......







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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: strange condition

From: "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 14:05:08 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:



Next time it comes up strongly, why don't you get someone to take a

photograph of your face, then you would have something to show the

doctor at least, since it sounds so intermittent. Sorry I don't have any

ideas to help.



-----Original Message-----

From:	owner-herb@MyList.net [mailto:owner-herb@MyList.net] On Behalf

Of Natalie Pastor

Sent:	Tuesday, October 27, 1998 1:20 PM

To:	herb@MyList.net

Subject:	Re: strange condition



To herb@MyList.net <mailto:herb@MyList.net>  from Natalie Pastor

<npastor@mail.sdsu.edu <mailto:npastor@mail.sdsu.edu> >:

Marcia, no it is under the eyes on my cheeks and because it comes and

goes it has been gone most times i've been to the doctor. i think i'll

check out the lupus idea, just in case. Thanks for your input.

Natalie



	>To herb@MyList.net <mailto:herb@MyList.net>  from "Marcia

Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com <mailto:herblady@fidnet.com> >:

	>

	>I is not a butterfly like type of rash across the nose is it?

	>

	





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: strange condition

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 19:14:49 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



If you didn't have yeast before, you may with the Augmentin.  Nasty

stuff.  Time to break out a few varieties of stinky blue cheese along

with all those other probiotic-rich live foods.



I'd go for burdock and other alteratives for the skin splotches- lots of

strong infusions.  It sounds like something is trying to get out of your

body through the skin.  *Gently* use a dry brush on your skin two to

three times a day, try warm herbal infusion compresses and give yourself

a green clay/vinegar masque to help draw out whatever needs to exit.



Stick with the echinacea to help your body fight underlying infection. 

The best way is to put a few teaspoons of tincture in a water bottle and

to drink from it each hour all day long.  That way you taste it, have

continuous dosage and can see when you've been forgetting to take it. 

(As a minor ingredient in the formula, you may not be getting enough.)



The heat helps stuff exit and gets your white blood cells to fight off

infections.  Use it and amplify it.  You may get  more splotchy briefly

but it should assist your body's own processes at clearing out.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

****************************************

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care.

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altered  seeds with "terminator " genes.



On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 08:05:03 -0800 Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:

>

>Hello everyone, this is a plea for help.

>

>For 7 weeks I've had reoccurring swollen large dark red splotches 

>around my eyes (in the sinus area) and one on my neck. Doctors put me on 

>Augmentin (powerful antibiotic) which did nothing and then they decided there 

>was nothing wrong with me.

(snip)



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: strange condition

From: Nodigio@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:36:06 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Nodigio@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-27 11:02:27 EST, you write:



<< For 7 weeks I've had reoccurring swollen large dark red splotches around my

 eyes (in the sinus area) and one on my neck.  >>





Blood test results?  Allergen test results?  Stress levels?  There's really

not enough information to go on.  Is it an infection?  Does anything in

particular trigger it or make it worse or better?



To soothe it, you might try a calendula cream.  Until more is known, that

palliative might make it more bearable....





------Nodigio----





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: strange condition

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:05:07 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:



>To herb@MyList.net from Nodigio@aol.com:

>

>In a message dated 98-10-27 11:02:27 EST, you write:

>

><< For 7 weeks I've had reoccurring swollen large dark red splotches around my

><< eyes (in the sinus area) and one on my neck.  >>

>

>

>Blood test results?  Allergen test results?  Stress levels?  There's really

>not enough information to go on.  Is it an infection?  Does anything in

>particular trigger it or make it worse or better?



According to the doctors nothing shows up in my blood or urine tests. They

don't think it's an allergy but i don't know what that opinion is based on.

I have had no fever, occasional hots flashes and less often, mild chills

and that is only when the splotches are bad. There is a feeling of heat in

the surrounding areas.  Nothing seems to trigger it, just when i think it's

gone - suddenly its back, about every 10 -12 days.  My stress level is

fairly high and consistent lately , at my next Dr. appt i'm going to bring

that up.



Thanks for your response.



>To soothe it, you might try a calendula cream.  Until more is known, that

>palliative might make it more bearable....

>

>

>------Nodigio----



Natalie Pastor

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu



flowing with the go......







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: strange condition

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:15:04 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:



Thanks Karen, i think your advice is always good. I will try the compresses

and the mask - even when this thing seems to be going away, i can see it

just under the surface of the skin. maybe if work at bringing it out

instead of making it subside, i'll have more success.



>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>If you didn't have yeast before, you may with the Augmentin.  Nasty

>stuff.  Time to break out a few varieties of stinky blue cheese along

>with all those other probiotic-rich live foods.

>

>I'd go for burdock and other alteratives for the skin splotches- lots of

>strong infusions.  It sounds like something is trying to get out of your

>body through the skin.  *Gently* use a dry brush on your skin two to

>three times a day, try warm herbal infusion compresses and give yourself

>a green clay/vinegar masque to help draw out whatever needs to exit.

>

>Stick with the echinacea to help your body fight underlying infection.

>The best way is to put a few teaspoons of tincture in a water bottle and

>to drink from it each hour all day long.  That way you taste it, have

>continuous dosage and can see when you've been forgetting to take it.

>(As a minor ingredient in the formula, you may not be getting enough.)



yes, i will also add burdock and more echinacea. do you think the Pau

d'Arco is useless after 2 weeks of massive doses and no real results?



Thanks for your response.

Natalie





Natalie Pastor

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu



flowing with the go......







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: strange condition

From: "Anita F. Hales" <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:54:36 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita F. Hales" <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 08:05 AM 10/27/98 -0800, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:

>

>Hello everyone, this is a plea for help.

>

>For 7 weeks I've had reoccurring swollen large dark red splotches around my

>eyes (in the sinus area) and one on my neck. Doctors put me on Augmentin

>(powerful antibiotic) which did nothing and then they decided there was

>nothing wrong with me.

>

>I tried treating myself for a yeast infection by taking major doses of Pau

>dArco and Super Lysine Plus (lysine w/ garlic, echinacea, vit c, propolis,

>licorise, golden seal) and thought i had it on the run BUT it came back

>yesterday. I also feel heat and itchiness in these areas, am feeling quite

>tired and now i'm starting to get depressed because of this. I have no

>other medical conditions and i'm hoping someone out there will have some

>ideas as to what this might be.

>

>Throw me some clues or ideas so I can go back to the doctors or do more

>research for myself.

>

>Thanks for any input.

>

>Natalie

>Natalie Pastor

>npastor@mail.sdsu.edu

>

>flowing with the go......

>

>

Sounds like alot of heat.  There's some great herbs for dispersing heat.

Peppermint, Yarrow, Boneset (Eupatorium perf.), most anything listed as a

diaphoretic or sudorific.  Drink LOTS and LOTS of STRONG infusions of

these.  You can even mix and match.  Use at least one aromatic such as

peppermint.  You might also try a mullein/yarrow compress to the immediate

affected areas to try to disperse inflammation.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion Texas variety

From: natural <natural@wt.net>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 10:41:21 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from natural <natural@wt.net>:



Henrietta and Peter thank you both for your assistance.



The only "dandelion" I've found in this city is Texas dandelion, or Pyrrhopappus

multicaulis.  Seems I'll either will have to continue to purchase the bulk dry

roots and fresh tinctures or try to order some seeds and grow a few of my own

during late Fall and early Spring.



I also wonder what is being sold in the stores as "dandelion", perhaps the Italian

dandelion as you mentioned.  Most come in bunches, leaves about a foot long?



Thanks for your information,



Rosie

natural@wt.net



> To herb@MyList.net from PETERGAIL@aol.com:

>

> In a message dated 98-10-25 02:37:59 EST, you write:

>

> << You can use -whatever- plant that's called Taraxacum. It's a very inbred

> genus.

>  No need for the Taraxacum "officinale" which isn't even called that anymore;

>  it's now about 73 different forms of Taraxacum so it's lumped under some

> weird

>  botanical term. It wasn't "sensu lato" though.

>   >>

> Yes, you can use any Taraxacum sp., but not any Cichorium sp., and that is

> what is grown and sold as Italian Dandelions in the United States supermarkets

> most of the year.  Chicory is close in its therapeutic effects, but not the

> same. Taraxacum has the edge over its relative as a medicinal herb.

>

> Peter Gail, Ph.D. Author of "The Dandelion Celebration: A Guide to Unexpected

> Cuisine"  Goosefoot Acres Center for Resourceful Living, P.O. Box 18016,

> Cleveland OH 44118, petergail@aol.com    (216)932-2145







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: dandelion Texas variety

From: PETERGAIL@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 11:59:13 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from PETERGAIL@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-27 11:44:54 EST, you write:



<< I also wonder what is being sold in the stores as "dandelion", perhaps the

Italian

 dandelion as you mentioned.  Most come in bunches, leaves about a foot long?

  >>

Chicory, probably San Pasquale or Catalogna, grown in Brownville-Edinboro area

of Texas.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for Pets

From: Roseb44170@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:13:31 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Roseb44170@aol.com:



I am kind of curious but is it possible for the fleas to get on us humans.  I

seem to be having this problem of my ankles being bitten by some kind of small

looking bug and I think maybe it's my cat's fleas.  Anyone have a similar

experience with this?



Rose

http://members.aol.com/Roseb44170/home.html

"How did I ever get talked into this?"







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for Pets

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 18:54:26 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



Your cat's fleas can come to getcha, okay.  It's time to solve your cat and

house flea problem before it becomes HUGE.  A number of people on the list

have used herbs to discourage fleas, but I don't know if they ever dealt

with them when the flea population had ballooned.

-Anita



At 4:13 PM -0500 10/27/98, Roseb44170@aol.com wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Roseb44170@aol.com:

>

>I am kind of curious but is it possible for the fleas to get on us humans.  I

>seem to be having this problem of my ankles being bitten by some kind of small

>looking bug and I think maybe it's my cat's fleas.  Anyone have a similar

>experience with this?



--

paf@connix.com







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for Pets

From: nutritionist@mailexcite.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:53:32 PST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from nutritionist@mailexcite.com:



>I am kind of curious but is it possible for the fleas to get on us humans.  I

>seem to be having this problem of my ankles being bitten by some kind of small

>looking bug and I think maybe it's my cat's fleas.  Anyone have a similar

> experience with this?



Hi, Rose,



Yes!  When I had a cat, every fall when the weather got cool (and sometimes in

the summer) we would have to deal with fleas looking for a warm place and coming

in on the cat.  They will multiply in carpeting and definately bites on the

akles are a sign of fleas.  You may need to "bomb" your house.  To keep the

topic on herbs (if this has been posted already sorry for the repeat - I have

been updating and rearranging my files, lists and email addresses) you may

want to use pennyroyal, sprinkled around the floor borders and near the doorway

to discourage fleas.  You may use skin so soft to keep them from biting your

ankles, but if the case is bad, you many need to bomb the house - though I'd

love to know more of a natural solution to this if anyone has one to share -

herbal of course :-)



I have just started a board at my site re herbs, alt. med and pets and am

looking for people to post, for my own knowledge and to share knowledge with

others.  If you have something to share, go to the following link:



http://www.InsideTheWeb.com/mbs.cgi/mb186781



Thanks!



Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN

Licensed Certified Nutritionist

http://members.tripod.com/~nutritionist

http://members.tripod.com/~drinkforhealth

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs for Pets

From: Nodigio@aol.com

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 00:16:47 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Nodigio@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-27 17:02:13 EST, you write:



<< I am kind of curious but is it possible for the fleas to get on us humans. I

 seem to be having this problem of my ankles being bitten by some kind of small

 looking bug and I think maybe it's my cat's fleas.   >>



Yes, most likely it is fleas...  There are several herbal remedies to use.  My

personal favorite is to mix pennyroyal oil into baking soda, let it dry out,

then sprinkle it thickly on the carpet.  Let it soak in for about an hour,

then vacuum it up and throw away the vacuum cleaner bag immediately.  I do

this every other day for 2 weeks, and then wash all the pet bedding with a bit

of pennyroyal once a week, and the pets themselves get a nice color of cotton

cord soaked in pennyroyal.  The pennyroyal does NOT kill the fleas - it stuns

them so you can vacuum them up, wash them down the drain, etc.  The pennyroyal

odor can be a bit offensive, though, and a bit of lavender, lemon, or bergamot

can make it more pleasant without reducing its effectiveness.  Cedar is also

effective against fleas, but not good for ferrets.



------Nodigio------







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To: HERB@MyList.net

Subject: First Online Issue (Summer 1998) of the Herb Nutrition Newsletter

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:21:48 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Elfreem@aol.com:



I am a pharmacist and manager of a drug therapy newsletter for over 400 

hospitals. Currently, I read about 35 to 40 medical journals. After my wife 

got relief from severe PMS headaches after taking an herb called black cohosh,

I started investigating natural products and began a series on herbs in the

drug 

therapy newsletter. I'm really surprised at the amount of information

available 

(clinical studies) and how little most healthcare professionals know.



As a result, I began a newsletter on herbs and nutrition in September which is

available free upon request via email. Topics covered are 1) FDA's attempt to

clarify 

(read restrict) the type of information herbal companies can write about their

products, 2) a cholesterol-lowering dietary supplement, 3) grapefruit juice -

drug interaction, 4) St. John's Wort monograph, growing your own SJW, and 

tincturing SJW,  5) lemonade for arthritis, 6) a short history of herbs -- the

early years, 7) diabetes and fig leaf, 8) can vitamins save $20 billion in

hospital costs, 

9) high-dose riboflavin for migraine prophylaxis, 10) cancer and melatonin,

and 

11) a book review ("Medicinal Herbal Therapy - A Pharmacist's Viewpoint"

written 

by Steven Ottariano RPh) recommended for herbal newbies. The info is objective

and unbiased, scientific (mostly), and non-promotional. Contact me at

Elfreem@aol.com to be placed on my e-mailing list for free issues.



Sincerely, 



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Herb Nutrition Newsletter/Midwest Shared Newsletter

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





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To: Medicinal and Aromatic Plants list <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Muscle Cramps-NEttles and Minerals

From: Ray Bayley <silwit@SUBA.COM>

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:08:34 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Ray Bayley <silwit@suba.com>:



Back in July, Morgan Laurel posted...

>Isn't Nettle infusion just as good as liquid minerals? What say you all?

...and Karen Vaughan posted...

>Okay guys, HERBS can get you calcium, magnesium, potassium and other

>trace minerals.



...which is similar to other postings to this list about herbs containing

minerals and vitamins we need.  My experience in studying

agricultural/food-crop nutrition to inform my human nutrition knowledge is

that plants reflect the soil and fertilizer they were grown on.  I remember

seeing maps of mineral distribution in the U.S.'s soil, where aside from

old lake/sea bottoms (e.g. Oklahoma and neighbors, east coast, around the

gulf as I recall) and lands where water run-off gets to soak in (e.g. east

side of Appalachians as I recall) much of the U.S. has soil poor in

minerals.  Many commercial fertilizers by emphasizing nitrogenous cations

interfere with the dissolution of minerals into ground water and thus into

roots.  I learned to look for yellow margins on and "streaked with rusty

nail" in leaves, uneven ripening of fruits (aside from being picked too

early), cracked cores and stems (e.g. broccolli florets fine and hydrated

but the stem is cracked), and lack of depth and brilliance of color (e.g. I

visited some government farms [Bowling Green in KY as I recall] where they

were very careful about the soil and the vegies were fluorescent, velvety,

brilliant) all as signs of trace mineral deficiencies.  If trace minerals

are deficient then the full spectrum of chemicals (e.g. vitamins,

polyphenols, SSRIs) are not being produced.  So I wonder if herbs have a

special ability to pull minerals from the soil, herbs are grown in

mineral-richer soil, herbs are grown without mineral-robbing fertilizer,

herbs are able to transmutate minerals (this old bit about, e.g., magnesium

becoming calcium, which I am not convinced is true), or herbs are

mineral-poor like the vegies in most supermarkets?  Reading the chemical

composition somewhere of some herb doesn't entirely convince me of

nutritional value because a)what about another batch of that same herb

from, e.g., a different locale and b)are the nutrients bioavailable...and

of course the same questions apply to food...and this is why I favor lab

analysis of tissue function (see below) in the person consuming these

nutrient sources.



I have seen again and again in clients that "energy medicine" (e.g.

homeopathy and deeper Asian Medicine and more thorough deeper styles of

herbology) can optimize the body so that it needs less of some nutrients.

So even if the herbs don't possess a wealth of government-recognized

nutrients, I am open to that they can still bring about a state of optimum

nutriture.



Since I have yet to see a diet on the first go that brings back a lab

analysis of tissue nutrient optimum, I wonder if those of you who do herbs

for extra nutrient supply and/or optimizing nutient usage have ever been

analyzed for tissue nutriture--e.g. Essential Metabolites Analysis by

SpectraCel?  I'd love to have it proven to me that we don't need to take

supplement pills, that diet plus herbs will do it.  Considering the wealth

of bioactive chemicals in herbs, I'd love it even further if it is proven

that adding herbs to ingestion routinely takes care of optimizing

nutrition.  Please prove such to me--my question is not about belief but

about proof, not about persuading me but convincing me...and my question is

not about the worth of herbs--I know herbs are extremely valuable--I just

want to know about their nutritional value.



Ray Bayley

silwit@suba.com









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Muscle Cramps-NEttles and Minerals

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:53:39 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:08:34 -0600, Ray Bayley <silwit@SUBA.COM> wrote to

Medicinal and Aromatic Plants list <herb@MyList.net>:



>polyphenols, SSRIs) are not being produced.  So I wonder if herbs have a

>special ability to pull minerals from the soil, herbs are grown in

>mineral-richer soil, herbs are grown without mineral-robbing fertilizer,



They are not grown, they grow. Take nettles, for example. They grow where they

want and if you're not happy with that, move. They sure won't. 

Yes, there's always a few nettles that grow in soil that's not suited to them,

but you wouldn't even consider picking those - there's a much more vibrant green

stand over there that way. And that sorry-looking stand will be gone in a couple

years.



This is about the mineral-containing wild herbs, like horsetail, wild oats,

nettles... culinary herbs give taste but if they're grown in the same depleted

commercial soil as the rest of the commercial veggies then nope, you won't get

minerals from that. On the other hand, how many of us here on this list buy

commercial herbs? I'd guess at least 80 % of us grow our own, as there's no way

to get some of the delicious specialities otherwise. Of those, how many of us

use compost? I'd say about 110 % or so... that'd make soil depletion a

nobrainer.



Henriette





--

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http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Muscle Cramps-NEttles and Minerals

From: Elsie Kirk <elsiekirk@yahoo.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 12:19:25 -0800 (PST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Elsie Kirk <elsiekirk@yahoo.com>:







I would love to grow my own herbs, and food.  However, like so many

others, I rent, I don't own my own castle with land to plant.  Even if

I did, I live in Delaware, notorious for spraying Malathion and other

noxious chemicals all over the state.  So I'm stuck with buying the

best quality herbs (and food) that I can find.  The trick, obviously,

is how to tell I'm getting the best quality.  Even "certified organic"

means different things.  



So, no, not all of us grow our own.





---Henriette Kress <HeK@hetta.pp.fi> wrote:

>

> To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

> 

> On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:08:34 -0600, Ray Bayley <silwit@SUBA.COM>

wrote to

> Medicinal and Aromatic Plants list <herb@MyList.net>:

> 

> >polyphenols, SSRIs) are not being produced.  So I wonder if herbs

have a

> >special ability to pull minerals from the soil, herbs are grown in

> >mineral-richer soil, herbs are grown without mineral-robbing

fertilizer,

> 

> They are not grown, they grow. Take nettles, for example. They grow

where they

> want and if you're not happy with that, move. They sure won't. 

> Yes, there's always a few nettles that grow in soil that's not

suited to them,

> but you wouldn't even consider picking those - there's a much more

vibrant green

> stand over there that way. And that sorry-looking stand will be gone

in a couple

> years.

> 

> This is about the mineral-containing wild herbs, like horsetail,

wild oats,

> nettles... culinary herbs give taste but if they're grown in the

same depleted

> commercial soil as the rest of the commercial veggies then nope, you

won't get

> minerals from that. On the other hand, how many of us here on this

list buy

> commercial herbs? I'd guess at least 80 % of us grow our own, as

there's no way

> to get some of the delicious specialities otherwise. Of those, how

many of us

> use compost? I'd say about 110 % or so... that'd make soil depletion a

> nobrainer.

> 

> Henriette

> 

> 

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki,

Finland

> http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: sunsite.unc.edu or

sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

> Medicinal and Culinary herbFAQs, plant pictures, neat stuff,

archives...

> 



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: strange condition reply

From: User276055@aol.com

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 20:54:23 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from User276055@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/27/98 10:59:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu writes:



<< 

 For 7 weeks I've had reoccurring swollen large dark red splotches around my

 eyes (in the sinus area) and one on my neck. Doctors put me on Augmentin

 (powerful antibiotic) which did nothing and then they decided there was

 nothing wrong with me.

 

	Could you have been bitten by a tick?  I have heard that rashes and tiredness

can be associated with Lyme's disease, which is spread by a tick bite. Usually

there is the target phenomena associated with it. There is a diagnostic blood

test that can be ordered by your medical doctor.  With the correct antibiotic

it is easily helped in most cases.



Hope you feel better soon,

Pat Constantine

user276055@aol.com







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Fleas

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Tue, 27 Oct 1998 23:44:38 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Roseb44170@aol.com



Yes, I have known of people getting flea bites.  One person in an apartment in

Atlanta GA was troubled by fleas even though he had no pets or other animals.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Fleas

From: "Vyrianna Lycorne" <lycorne@tiefling.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 01:00:09 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Vyrianna Lycorne" <lycorne@tiefling.net>:





When an ex-roommate's daughter brought her cat to stay for a few weeks the

cat already had fleas.  After the cat, left we used Borax on the carpet.

You spread that over the carpet and leave it on either all day or overnight,

then vacuum it up.   It may take more than one application, but not much

more.  Actually if you can leave it on for 24 hours that is better.  But you

have to keep the pets and small children out of it.









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Fleas

From: "Burtschell" <burtschell@mail.telis.org>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:05:00 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Burtschell" <burtschell@mail.telis.org>:



My mother used to put a branch of bay leaves under the mattress of my

little brother when he was bothered with flea bites.  Brings to mind the

question of how long they would remain effective in repeling the little

critters.  







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Fleas

From: TXJune <txjune@texoma.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 06:14:16 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from TXJune <txjune@texoma.net>:



I use Peppermint Essential oil. Mix it in some water and mist the floor and

furniture. I also make a mix of borax and Peppermint eo. Put borax in a

ziploc baggie; add several drops of peppermint eo and shake. Then sprinkle

on carpet; wait a  while; vacumn. Doggie also gets a bath once a week or so

with a peppermint tea tree oil soap I make. 

The fleas seemed to have returned here in Texas with a vengance since the

rain started this fall. So I have had to keep on them. So far; they just

come in from outside. We do use diamatous (spelling) earth outside. I have

too many critters to use chemicals..... plus don't like using chemicals

anyway.

June 

   

   BackWoods Herbals  ICQ#: 780196

   http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/4029/ (personal page)

   http://www.angelfire.com/nj/soapnewbies/index.html SN FAQ





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Fleas

From: Nodigio@aol.com

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 09:42:21 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Nodigio@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-28 01:09:35 EST, you write:



<<  One person in an apartment in

 Atlanta GA was troubled by fleas  >>



Irresponsible other pet owners who lived in the same building ---- one reason

why I no longer live in an apartment.  It was murder keeping the fleas and

roaches under control.  Since I've started living in houses, I haven't been

troubled with either, because I have total control (and pennyroyal planeted

all along the outside periphery of the house!, along with bay, rosemary,

assorted other mints and calendulas).  My sole problem is ants - the boiling

water trick works, but the ants come back after a month or so.  They may be a

collective species, but they have short memories!



---------Nodigio------





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:wisdom teeth

From: "P.NIghswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:23:03 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "P.NIghswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>:



 My 15 year ld daughter will be having all 4 of her wisdom teeth

extracted the day after Thanksgiving.  I would like to prepare her

herbally and also treat her afterwards with herbs including external

application.

I would suggest echinacea and Vitamin C starting a few days before and

contiuing a few days after.

That would be enough rosehips to equal 2000 mg o0f Vit C three times a

day. pn







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: rash near eyes

From: "P.NIghswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 03:39:30 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "P.NIghswander" <nighs@king.igs.net>:



 under the eyes on my cheeks and because it comes and

goes it has been gone most times

Being near the eyes and sinus and red blochy sounds somewhat allergy

related perhaps?pn







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs and Minerals (and bacteria)

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:06:47 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



There are a variety of reasons why herbs do better than many other food

crops at providing minerals.  First, many food crops have been hybridized

for milder tastes (and possibly in hybridization the constituents have

changed so they no longer fit our receptors as well as the forms we

evolved with- much like a copy of a copy of a key often no longer fits

the lock well.)  The interest in herbs, which have stronger tastes,

superior antioxidant activities and more minerals may reflect a

biological imperative for available constituents as much as anything

else.



Secondly much of our food supply is grown in biologically inactivated

soils, lacking the rich bacterial matrix that both makes minerals

available to plants and plant constituents available to us.

Chemicalization of fertilizers, pesticides, strip-mining farming

techniques and the like have devitalized the soils.    Many herbs are

grown in non-cultivated places though, which haven't yet been strip

mined.



Further, irradiation, disinfection, post-harvest chemical treatments and

long storage or transit between picking a crop and its arrival upon the

table mean that the bacteria which used to accompany the plant into you

and which provided the basis for utilizing that food are significantly

depleted.  



Related to that is the decrease in our internal probiotic bacteria which

would allow our bodies to distinguish between minerals we need and

minerals or mineral  concentrations we don't (say, like aluminium), as

well as to process the ones we need more effectively. There is some

research on this and we are not getting Alzheimers from our

aluminium-rich echinacea, so  it seems to work in vivo.  But antibiotics,

declines in the use of fermented foods and the like have impaired our,

traditionally bacterially complex bodily terrain.



Nettles and many other herbs have the ability to pull minerals out of the

soil in a way that many, especially hybridized, crops do not.  However

with a few exceptions, most herbs do better in cultivation where soils

are organically enriched.  Even ginseng, which is considered superior in

its wildcrafted state does as well under organic cultivation where

glacial rock dust is a primary soil ammendment.



Soil depletion can adversely affect herbal constituents. If herbs are

cultivated, they may do better than other crops at pulling minerals out

of the soil, but they will ultimately be less effective.  Since we pull

minerals out of the soil, but send our wastes into sterile landfills or

the sea, we will find that our herbs will over time reflect these

practices.  And many growers make use of compost, manures, kelp, rock

dust and other ammendments, don't irradiate their crops and take pains to

insure that their herbs are fresh.



But most nutritional analyses of either foods or herbs operate on

reductionist constituent thinking. Just because the minerals are present

in the mineral ash when a plant is burned in a bomb calorimeter, it does

not mean that those minerals are available to the eater of the plant. 

Both the plant and the eater are biologically and bacteriologically

complex, discriminating on a basic level as to what comes in and in what

form.



I don't think that herbs can transmute magnesium to calcium, but

magnesium/calcium ratios can be addressed by using herbs which have

bioavailable magnesium, so the calcium consumed can be utilized.  This

means that we can get along on less.



I'd like to see tissue analysis too.



Karen Vaughan

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On Tue, 27 Oct 1998 16:08:34 -0600 Ray Bayley <silwit@suba.com> writes:

So I wonder if herbs have a

special ability to pull minerals from the soil, herbs are grown in

mineral-richer soil, herbs are grown without mineral-robbing fertilizer,

herbs are able to transmutate minerals (this old bit about, e.g.,

magnesium

becoming calcium, which I am not convinced is true), or herbs are

mineral-poor like the vegies in most supermarkets?  Reading the chemical

composition somewhere of some herb doesn't entirely convince me of

nutritional value because a)what about another batch of that same herb

from, e.g., a different locale and b)are the nutrients bioavailable...and

of course the same questions apply to food...and this is why I favor lab

analysis of tissue function (see below) in the person consuming these

nutrient sources.



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Subject: Fingernail question

From: "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>

Date: Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:38:53 -0500

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Greetings all,

A friend of mine inquired yesterday if there was something she could do for

her fingernails. They have ridges that run their length, peel a the tips,

split and tear crosswise into the quick. She has been under allot of stress

this year (has 60 yr.. old mother battling lung cancer), probably eats more

meat than she should (I questioned her on protein intake), and has developed

problems with asthma. (Don't know if I've told you more than you need to

know but I know that some diseases have strange side effects on other parts

of the body.)



What should she do for treatment. (dietary changes, herb

supplements/lotions, tests her Dr.. should do, etc..) Any help will be

appreciated.





Thank you,

Shirley

<cdeming@earthlink.net>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Fingernail question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 08:24:00 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Longitudal ridges are often signs of stress, insufficient protein or

insufficient minerals.  Since she is under stress, she might try oatstraw

infusions- overnight steeping of an ounce of herb in a quart of boiling

water. (And it is okay to decoct (boil) oats, although I might only do

half decocted and the rest infused.)  This is a good nervine with lots of

minerals.  



The longitudinal ridges increase with age naturally and are common enough

to be considered "normal".



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On Wed, 28 Oct 1998 08:38:53 -0500 "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>:

>

>Greetings all,

>A friend of mine inquired yesterday if there was something she could 

>do for

>her fingernails. They have ridges that run their length, peel a the 

>tips,

>split and tear crosswise into the quick. She has been under allot of 

>stress

>this year (has 60 yr.. old mother battling lung cancer), probably eats 

>more

>meat than she should (I questioned her on protein intake), and has 

>developed

>problems with asthma. (Don't know if I've told you more than you need 

>to

>know but I know that some diseases have strange side effects on other 

>parts

>of the body.)

>

>What should she do for treatment. (dietary changes, herb

>supplements/lotions, tests her Dr.. should do, etc..) Any help will be

>appreciated.

>

>

>Thank you,

>Shirley

><cdeming@earthlink.net>

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Fingernail question

From: "Anita F. Hales" <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:54:38 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita F. Hales" <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 08:38 AM 10/28/98 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>:

>

>Greetings all,

>A friend of mine inquired yesterday if there was something she could do for

>her fingernails. They have ridges that run their length, peel a the tips,

>split and tear crosswise into the quick. She has been under allot of stress

>this year (has 60 yr.. old mother battling lung cancer), probably eats more

>meat than she should (I questioned her on protein intake), and has developed

>problems with asthma. (Don't know if I've told you more than you need to

>know but I know that some diseases have strange side effects on other parts

>of the body.)

>

>What should she do for treatment. (dietary changes, herb

>supplements/lotions, tests her Dr.. should do, etc..) Any help will be

>appreciated.

>

>

>Thank you,

>Shirley

><cdeming@earthlink.net>

>

>

Calcium, Magnesium, Zinc, and gelatin (not jello) with each meal will help.

 For the gelatin, use plain unflavored gelatin (Knox).  I use 1 packet

dissolved in cold water.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Relief from chicken pox

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@NETVISION.NET.IL>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:13:42 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:



There has been an outbreak of chicken pox in my neighborhood. I really sympathise

with the kids who have it: my own case, at age 10, was the worst the pediatrician had

ever seen. Don't think I'll ever forget what that tormenting rash was like. So far,

I've been suggesting to mothers that warm baths with oatmeal or cornstarch might

soothe the rash, but have been wondering if applications of green clay might not help

as well. Would applying such a paste to the skin help, or hinder, in your opinions? I

agree with the Chinese theory that chicken pox is one of the childhood diseases which

cleanses and fosters growth, and so hesitate to interfere with it unduly.



Another question I'm pondering is what herbal supplements sick kids should take in

order to avoid or lessen the complications which often follow chicken pox. Winter is

coming on fast, and it's cold/flu/respiratory infection time... Offhand, echinacea,

propolis, Vitamin C, garlic, in any combination seems right (but then, I wouldn't

suggest anything that just "seems right"). Anyone care to contribute their thoughts?



My own baby (1 1/2 years) was exposed to the disease; I am being more than usually

careful with her diet, including as much fruit and fresh vegetables as she'll take,

and plan to start giving her echinacea/propolis twice a day starting next week, which

should be about a week before she comes down with it.



Thanks in advance for your thoughts.



Miriam Kresh

miriam_k@netvision.net.il







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Relief from chicken pox

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:58:10 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



MIriam-



Your treatment plan sounds good.  I might mix the green clay with

echinacea tincture (or decocted echinacea purpurea) instead of water. 

The aqueous components seem to help topically.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:13:42 +0200 miriam kresh

<miriam_k@netvision.net.il> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:

>

>There has been an outbreak of chicken pox in my neighborhood. I really 

>sympathise

>with the kids who have it: my own case, at age 10, was the worst the 

>pediatrician had

>ever seen. Don't think I'll ever forget what that tormenting rash was 

>like. So far,

>I've been suggesting to mothers that warm baths with oatmeal or 

>cornstarch might

>soothe the rash, but have been wondering if applications of green clay 

>might not help

>as well. Would applying such a paste to the skin help, or hinder, in 

>your opinions? I

>agree with the Chinese theory that chicken pox is one of the childhood 

>diseases which

>cleanses and fosters growth, and so hesitate to interfere with it 

>unduly.

>

>Another question I'm pondering is what herbal supplements sick kids 

>should take in

>order to avoid or lessen the complications which often follow chicken 

>pox. Winter is

>coming on fast, and it's cold/flu/respiratory infection time... 

>Offhand, echinacea,

>propolis, Vitamin C, garlic, in any combination seems right (but then, 

>I wouldn't

>suggest anything that just "seems right"). Anyone care to contribute 

>their thoughts?

>

>My own baby (1 1/2 years) was exposed to the disease; I am being more 

>than usually

>careful with her diet, including as much fruit and fresh vegetables as 

>she'll take,

>and plan to start giving her echinacea/propolis twice a day starting 

>next week, which

>should be about a week before she comes down with it.

>

>Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

>

>Miriam Kresh

>miriam_k@netvision.net.il

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Relief from chicken pox

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:26:57 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:





>

>How about Goldenseal for the itch?



Even if it weren't an endangered species and very expensive, why in the

world would you use goldenseal for itching?



Chicken pox is virally caused and since it expresses itself through the

skin, we want to draw the toxins out, not to supress them. Poulticing

with clay or baths in cornstarch or oatmeal help draw toxins out of the

body through the skin.  IOW it accelerates the body's own ways of

fighting the residues of the viral infection. I'd probably add yarrow tea

to increase sweating and accelerate the movement of toxins through the

pores.  Internal echinacea  especially in tincture form, taken in water

throughout the day, assists the body in phagocytosis and has an

interferon-like effect protecting other cells from the herpes virus.  



If you don't understand the differences between when you use echinacea

and goldenseal and other anti-infective plants (they aren't necessarily

interchangable), read Paul Bergner's excellent book "The Healing Power of

Echinacea and Goldenseal".

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Relief from chicken pox

From: "Anita F. Hales" <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:54:40 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita F. Hales" <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 12:13 AM 10/29/98 +0200, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:

>

>There has been an outbreak of chicken pox in my neighborhood. I really

sympathise

>with the kids who have it: my own case, at age 10, was the worst the

pediatrician had

>ever seen. Don't think I'll ever forget what that tormenting rash was

like. So far,

>I've been suggesting to mothers that warm baths with oatmeal or cornstarch

might

>soothe the rash, but have been wondering if applications of green clay

might not help

>as well. Would applying such a paste to the skin help, or hinder, in your

opinions? I

>agree with the Chinese theory that chicken pox is one of the childhood

diseases which

>cleanses and fosters growth, and so hesitate to interfere with it unduly.

>

>Another question I'm pondering is what herbal supplements sick kids should

take in

>order to avoid or lessen the complications which often follow chicken pox.

Winter is

>coming on fast, and it's cold/flu/respiratory infection time... Offhand,

echinacea,

>propolis, Vitamin C, garlic, in any combination seems right (but then, I

wouldn't

>suggest anything that just "seems right"). Anyone care to contribute their

thoughts?

>

>My own baby (1 1/2 years) was exposed to the disease; I am being more than

usually

>careful with her diet, including as much fruit and fresh vegetables as

she'll take,

>and plan to start giving her echinacea/propolis twice a day starting next

week, which

>should be about a week before she comes down with it.

>

>Thanks in advance for your thoughts.

>

>Miriam Kresh

>miriam_k@netvision.net.il

>

>

One of the best things for any euptive disease is to make an infusion of

Yarrow and Peppermint and drink it hot and often (every two hours at

least).  You can shorten the time you suffer and it will help somewhat with

the uncomfortableness of the problem.  You want to encourage the eruption.

Get it out and get it gone.  If you give an child who has been exposed the

herbs on a regular basis, it will help and may even prevent the problem.

I've had LOTS of experience with this. I've had 5 children of my own.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Milk thistle seed, powder or tincture?

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:17:11 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



I suppose powder might be better for making into tincture than the whole seeds,

if you can grind the seeds fresh yourself.  But I have wondered, why not use

the powder directly without making into tincture?



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Milk thistle seed, powder or tincture?

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 07:12:07 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 00:17:11 -0500, tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>I suppose powder might be better for making into tincture than the whole seeds,

>if you can grind the seeds fresh yourself.  But I have wondered, why not use

>the powder directly without making into tincture?



That's definitely better - if you can and will grind them up fresh (a weekly

ritual perhaps?). Milk thistle is for liver problems, after all, and that extra

alcohol might just tip the cart.



Henriette



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Cayenne in liniment?

From: "Anthony Black" <ant.b@clear.net.nz>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:16:46 +1300

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anthony Black" <ant.b@clear.net.nz>:



Can anyone please tell me whether cayenne used in a liniment for use on

horse's might be too strong/harsh? Any suggestions on what to use as

well/instead of?



Many thanks

Michelle





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Yohimbe a Herb?

From: ZPXS08B@prodigy.com (MR CAPP A GIDNEY)

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 10:49:00, -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from ZPXS08B@prodigy.com (MR CAPP A GIDNEY):



Hi Ya'll,



I was wondering if anyone is familar with Yombie extract? Is it an 

herb and how to use it? Or for that matter;how to use extracts in 

general.

Just trying to learn all about herbs and etc. and this list has been 

most helpful;thanks to all you good people.



Carol







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Yohimbe a Herb?

From: Nodigio@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:57:49 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Nodigio@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-29 12:18:19 EST, you write:



<< I was wondering if anyone is familar with Yombie extract? Is it an 

 herb and how to use it? >>





Yohimbe is an herb, classed as a poison.  It's Latin name is Pausinystalia

Yohimbe.  It is used as a "lust" potion, but quite frankly, I don't think it's

worth the risk of death.  My advice?  Don't get near it until you know lots

and lots about herb use in general, and poisons is specific.



-----Nodigio-------





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Yohimbe a Herb?

From: "Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionist@mailexcite.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:36:00 PST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionist@mailexcite.com>:



>Yohimbe is an herb, classed as a poison.



Where did this information come from?  

Documentation?  I know people who use this

that are very much alive!  Thanks for any

info you can send along. 



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Help for the voiceless

From: Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:48:55 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:





Hello again. I've been off the list for a couple of weeks because of

temporary mail server problems. Now I'm back with a sick member in the

family.



My wife has lost her voice. Her MD diagnosed it as an infection of the

respiratory tract, told her to go home to rest and not speak for a week.

(She speaks for a living so she really can't work at all if she can't

speak.) She feels like she has caught the flu, but the fever won't come.

It's been going for about two weeks, although she's been "silenced" only

since this week's monday. Monday was the day she saw the doctor.

   So, she has no fever. For the past week her throat has felt sore some

days, and some days she's had a running nose. She feels very tired all

the time, although she sleeps a lot (9-11 hours a night). If she tries

to speak, which she did yeasterday, her voice is very low and sounds

"broken".

   On my advice, she's been taking Echinacea extract since monday, 20

drops three to five times a day with water. Hasn't helped much, at least

yet. I've also told her that fresh garlic would be good, but she can't

eat very much of it although she likes the taste. It's too pungent and

strong for her, says she.

   I feel I should know myself what to do. I mean, I've done far too

much homework not to know! But the situation is that I haven't cought a

cold of a flu for seven years myself, so I haven't had much chance of

learning how to treat colds. I have some Yarrow (Achillea millefolium)

in my herb cupboard, both dried and extract. I have been taught that it

helps with colds, but have not tried yet.

   Any advice, good people?



-- 

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Help for the voiceless

From: "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:29:37 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>:



on Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:48:55 +0200

Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>

Wrote: Subject: Help for the voiceless

Have you tried a infusion of red sage as a gargle? or if gargling is 

impossible or painful, at least drink an infusion of the herb (allowed 

to cool slightly if the throat is sore). Sorry I don't know which of the 

many sages known as 'red'is best although Mrs Grieve recommends 'salvia 

horminun'.



This is what Culpeper says:



'Good for diseases of the liver and to make blood. A decoction of the 

leaves and branches of Sage made and drunk,

     saith Dioscorides, provokes urine and causeth the hair to become 

black. It stayeth the bleeding of wounds and cleaneth

     ulcers and sores. Three spoonsful of the juice of Sage taken 

fasting with a little honey arrests spitting or vomiting of

     blood in consumption. It is profitable for all pains in the head 

coming of cold rheumatic humours, as also for all pains in

     the joints, whether inwardly or outwardly. The juice of Sage in 

warm water cureth hoarseness and cough. Pliny saith it

     cureth stinging and biting serpents. Sage is of excellent use to 

help the memory, warming and quickening the senses. The

     juice of Sage drunk with vinegar hath been of use in the time of 

the plague at all times. Gargles are made with Sage,

     Rosemary, Honeysuckles and Plantains, boiled in wine or water with 

some honey or alum put thereto, to wash sore

     mouths and throats, as need requireth. It is very good for stitch 

or pains in the sides coming of wind, if the place be

     fomented warm with the decoction in wine and the herb also, after 

boiling, be laid warm thereto.' 



A recipe from mrs Grieve for the gargle:



A Gargle for a Sore Throat 

A small glass of port wine, a tablespoonful of Chile vinegar, 6 Sage 

leaves, and a dessertspoonful of honey; simmer together on

the fire for 5 minutes. 



hope this helps







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Help for the voiceless

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:07:50 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



I chew a licorice root when I lose my voice.  Of course there are

contraindications concerning blood pressure and all, but this works for me.

Joanie









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Help for the voiceless

From: Nodigio@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:45:12 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Nodigio@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-29 05:51:04 EST, you write:



<< My wife has lost her voice. Her MD diagnosed it as an infection of the

 respiratory tract, >>





A sage gargle can help soothe the throat, as would a tea tree or a sage

infused steam inhaler.



Another remedy (not everyone likes it) is to mix apple cider vinegar with

wintergreen oil and a touch of cayenne - 1/4 teaspoon oil with 1/2 cup cider

and a pinch of cayenne.  Dilute with a half cup of water and sip, or leave

full strength and use as a poultice about the neck.



Another pleasant one would be a thyme tea (don't use too much of it, though,

some people have an idiosyncratic reaction to it and behave as if drunk) - no

more than 2 cups a day in half cup doses, made with 2 teaspoons of herb per

cup of water.



Marshmallow root and slippery elm also are healing of the throat area - and

nutritious, too.  If her throat is too sore to swallow easily, these are quite

good, because they they do soothe and make swallow easier even than plain

water.



I had something like this happen to me when I was a drill sargeant in the Air

Force - talk about needing my voice! 



These are what I used back then (it was 30+ years ago!).  Sage and thyme both

have anti-biotic, anti-viral properties, the cayenne a stimulating property to

increase the body's effort to fight off the infection, the marshamallow root

and slippery elm to reinforce the body's energy nutritionally and to soothe

the throat itself.



------Nodigio----- 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Help for the voiceless

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 17:34:27 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:48:55 +0200, Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>

wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>My wife has lost her voice. Her MD diagnosed it as an infection of the

>respiratory tract, told her to go home to rest and not speak for a week.



I'd go for mullein tea, or a bit of the tincture in -hot- water.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Help for the voiceless

From: "Anita F. Hales" <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:54:41 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita F. Hales" <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 01:29 PM 10/29/98 GMT, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>:

>

>on Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 12:48:55 +0200

>Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>

>Wrote: Subject: Help for the voiceless

>Have you tried a infusion of red sage as a gargle? or if gargling is 

>impossible or painful, at least drink an infusion of the herb (allowed 

>to cool slightly if the throat is sore). 

You can use plain old culinary sage.  Go to your grocery store and buy some

FRESH sage.  You can use it several ways.  You can simmer it in honey and

use a spoonful of honey to make it go nice and slow down the throat. You

can also make a strong infusion of sage and drink it OFTEN.  I mean like

every hour until you sweat.  DO NOT GET CHILLED!!!	Sage is wonderful.





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Subject: Another tincture question

From: Magda2@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:31:08 EST

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Hello all............this past spring I made up a tincture w/ fresh flowering

motherwort. The color as of now is a nice very pale pale green, harboring on

the green yellow.......just a hint of yellow.  I used a cheapo vodka.......

Now I just put up some more fresh motherwort tincture using  Absolute vodka

and the color is an amazing DARK green (more than) yellow.   Is this maybe due

to quality of vodka , time of year, the moon in the 7th house, jupiter

aligning w/ Mars ????    Any input  from my herbal friends?    Thanks

Marianne





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Subject: Re: Another tincture question

From: Nodigio@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:49:23 EST

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In a message dated 98-10-29 06:33:38 EST, you write:



<< spring I made up a tincture w/ fresh flowering

 motherwort. The color as of now is a nice very pale pale green, harboring on

 the green yellow.......just a hint of yellow.  I used a cheapo vodka.......

 Now I just put up some more fresh motherwort tincture using  Absolute vodka

 and the color is an amazing DARK green >>





It has to with your harvest times:  last spring you harvested the fresh

flowers, this fall you probably harvested the leaves (you didn't say, so I'm

making assumptions).  The flowers will of course have a paler color than the

leaves, even thought they contain the same active chemicals.  This is because

the leaves contain more chlorophyll - the green color - than the flowers.



-Nodigio----





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Subject: Re: Another tincture question

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:29:30 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:







Magda2@aol.com wrote:



> this past spring I made up a tincture w/ fresh flowering

> motherwort. The color as of now is a nice very pale pale green, harboring on

> the green yellow.......just a hint of yellow.  I used a cheapo vodka.......

> Now I just put up some more fresh motherwort tincture using  Absolute vodka

> and the color is an amazing DARK green (more than) yellow.



I don't know if this helps, but when I made my tinctures of fresh motherwort

using everclear, the color was a deep dark green.  I let it sit in the alcohol

for about 80 days, and I just noticed the color was lightening up.



Any one have any thoughts on that?



Susana







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To: "'herb@mylist.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Another tincture question

From: "Brand, Corey" <Corey_Brand@mail.dor.state.mo.us>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:39:39 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Brand, Corey" <Corey_Brand@mail.dor.state.mo.us>:



Many factors determine tincture quality:  part of the herb used, quality of

the herb, amount of the herb, temperature, water/alcohol ratio of the

extracting menstruum (vodka in this case).



I am also prepared to believe other factors as well; the Farmer's Almanac

can give you moon and zodiac phases if you want to include that in your

formula.  I found out earlier this month that water really does boil more

easily when the moon is in Leo...



If you are unsatisfied with the quality of your tincture, you can

double-tincture it by filtering the tincture to remove the old herb, then

adding new herb.



Good luck.



	-Corey



<< spring I made up a tincture w/ fresh flowering motherwort. The color as

of now is a nice very pale pale green, harboring on the green

yellow.......just a hint of yellow.  I used a cheapo vodka....... Now I just

put up some more fresh motherwort tincture using  Absolute vodka and the

color is an amazing DARK green >>





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Another tincture question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:48:28 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



I'd guess that the proof of the vodka was different.  Higher alcohol

extracts more constituents (within the range required for motherwort). 

If the motherwort had more moisture the first time around it may have

diluted your vodka considerably if you used the same proof- water content

varies with the weather and season.

  

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment in the modality of

your choice.

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both.



On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 06:31:08 EST Magda2@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:

>

>

>Hello all............this past spring I made up a tincture w/ fresh 

>flowering

>motherwort. The color as of now is a nice very pale pale green, 

>harboring on

>the green yellow.......just a hint of yellow.  I used a cheapo 

>vodka.......

>Now I just put up some more fresh motherwort tincture using  Absolute 

>vodka

>and the color is an amazing DARK green (more than) yellow.   Is this 

>maybe due

>to quality of vodka , time of year, the moon in the 7th house, jupiter

>aligning w/ Mars ????    Any input  from my herbal friends?    Thanks

>Marianne

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Another tincture question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:58:00 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



When I made echinacea purpurea tincture from flowering tops, I did a

batch of it with Everclear and a batch with 80 proof vodka.  The vodka

tincture was a dull brownish green, but the Everclear was bright green. 

Two months later both are the same color.  The Everclear immediately

extracted the chlorophyll, but over time it broke down the cells and they

chemically reacted with the rest of the mixture, I surmise.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:29:30 +0000 Susana Augustyn 

>I don't know if this helps, but when I made my tinctures of fresh

motherwort

>using everclear, the color was a deep dark green.  I let it sit in the

alcohol

>for about 80 days, and I just noticed the color was lightening up.

>

>Any one have any thoughts on that?

>

>Susana

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Another tincture question

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:46:02 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:







creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:



> When I made echinacea purpurea tincture from flowering tops, I did a

> batch of it with Everclear and a batch with 80 proof vodka.  The vodka

> tincture was a dull brownish green, but the Everclear was bright green.

> Two months later both are the same color.  The Everclear immediately

> extracted the chlorophyll, but over time it broke down the cells and they

> chemically reacted with the rest of the mixture, I surmise.



Which batch -- the Everclear or the 80 proof -- was more potent?  Could

Everclear ever be too stong?







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Another tincture question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:22:50 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



With echinacea, different constituents are extracted by different

methods.  Everclear extracts the isobutylamides and to a lesser extent,

polyacetylenes which extract better in high proof alcohol. High proof

alcohol will harm the poysaccharides and certain other water-soluble

fractions of the herb.  Polysaccharides are complex sugars which can help

modulate immune function.  Herbalists like Michael Tierra feel that they

are a significant part of echinacea's healing powers and he suggests an

80 proof extracting agent, based upon some of the Eclectics work, to get

some alcohol-soluble constituents and the polysaccharides.  Equally

reputable herbalists like Paul Bergner do not believe that

polysaccharides are an important component of  commercially available

echinacea products.  I try to get both fractions by extracting the

alcohol-soluble constituents separately and mixing them with low alcohol

and water extractions so that the resulting tincture is no more than 40%

alcohol (actually I try to get closer to 30% which has enough alcohol to

be preserved but not enough to dammage the polysaccharides.).



Everclear is often too strong for plants.  You need to know the ideal

range for each plant you tincture.  Check the archives as this

information has been posted repeatedly in list form.  



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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your choice.

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both.



On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 20:46:02 +0000 Susana Augustyn

<augustyn@COLBY.IXKS.COM> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:

>

>creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:

>

>> When I made echinacea purpurea tincture from flowering tops, I did a

>> batch of it with Everclear and a batch with 80 proof vodka.  The vodka

>> tincture was a dull brownish green, but the Everclear was bright

green.

>> Two months later both are the same color.  The Everclear immediately

>> extracted the chlorophyll, but over time it broke down the cells and

they

>> chemically reacted with the rest of the mixture, I surmise.

>

>Which batch -- the Everclear or the 80 proof -- was more potent?  

>Could Everclear ever be too stong?

>

>



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Subject: Re: Another tincture question

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 07:17:46 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:22:50 -0500, creationsgarden@juno.com wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>Everclear is often too strong for plants.  You need to know the ideal

>range for each plant you tincture.  Check the archives as this

>information has been posted repeatedly in list form.  



Everclear neat is too strong for most -dried- plants. Not so for fresh - a 1:2

95 % is the right way to do fresh plant tinctures, -mostly-.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Another tincture question

From: Magda2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:28:34 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/29/98 5:45:37 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Corey_Brand@mail.dor.state.mo.us writes:



<< 

 I am also prepared to believe other factors as well; the Farmer's Almanac

 can give you moon and zodiac phases if you want to include that in your

 formula.  I found out earlier this month that water really does boil more

 easily when the moon is in Leo... >>

Thanks Corey.........this makes sense.  And the more I thought about it the

more I realized that maybe the darker color IS due to the time of year and

chlorophyll is maybe a bit more concentrated. I used pretty much the same

amount of flowers/leaves w/ each batch.  I will peruse muy books some more.

Thanks again.                  Marianne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Another tincture question

From: Magda2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:32:36 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:



In a message dated 10/29/98 7:24:47 PM Eastern Standard Time,

augustyn@colby.ixks.com writes:



<< 

 I don't know if this helps, but when I made my tinctures of fresh motherwort

 using everclear, the color was a deep dark green.  I let it sit in the

alcohol

 for about 80 days, and I just noticed the color was lightening up.

  >>

Hi Susana...........thanks for the reply. Yet another aspect of the question

to ponder! <grin>.  My first batch in May I just put up and set aside kinda

forgetting about it.     So this may be another answer...........it may have

been dark green. Hmmmmmmm...............     gets us all thinkng, heh!

Thanks!              Marianne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Another tincture question

From: NEHrbSup@aol.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:09:28 EST

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In a message dated 10/29/98 7:39:57 PM Eastern Standard Time,

creationsgarden@juno.com writes:



> I'd guess that the proof of the vodka was different.  Higher alcohol

>  extracts more constituents (within the range required for motherwort). 

>  If the motherwort had more moisture the first time around it may have

>  diluted your vodka considerably if you used the same proof- water content

>  varies with the weather and season.



The Materia Medica indicates a 45%-70%alcohol range for  motherwort, meaning

that if the herb were dry, you could get away with a 90 - 100 proof vodka and

have it do a proper job of extracting the beneficial constituents of the

plant.  Motherwort., however is a plant that has a bunch of water in it

particularly if you are using the leaves and not trying to suck something out

of the stalks as well - the wet/dry weight is something like 3 or 4 :1 (4

pounds fresh herb = 1 pound dry herb or, -  in every pound of wet herb you

have 12 ounces of water and  4 ounces of herb  - using this same example, if

you were using a standard 1:2 herb/ liquid ratio as is often done for fresh

herbs it would be one pound of fresh motherwort. and 1 quart of liquid. (which

is what you would need to cover a pound of finely chopped herb)  if you are

using Everclear (grain) the math works out OK because you have 12 ounces of

water in the herb and to that are  adding 32 ounces of alcohol of which 2

ounces is water and 30 ounces is alcohol - Taking the math all the way out you

have a total of 44 ounces of liquid of which 30 is alcohol or 68% alcohol

which is within the limit of the Materia Medica and on the high end so you

will extract almost everything from the plant.  



If however you use a 90 proof vodka, the math is different.  You still have

the water in the plant, but only 45% of the vodka is alcohol so out of the 32

ounces of liquid, only 14.4 ounces is alcohol.  The same 44 ounces of liquid

exists so you wind up with a 33% alcohol level which is well below the 45%

called for.  Even if you go to the 100 proof vodka, the level only goes to 36%

so you will not achieve the desired alcohol levels in the extracting medium

which will mean that you will not wind up extracting all of the goodies in the

plant.  This is why I always suggest the use of grain alcohol with fresh plant

extracts.  With few exceptions, grain will hit the middle to upper end of the

levels you are looking to achieve with.  If you want to use vodka, dry the

herb first -- the only drawback is that you can lose some of the plant's

properties in the drying process which would not happen if you used ethanol,

AKA grain, AKA Everclear.  This is probably not what you wanted to hear but it

should answer the question as to why it looked a bit weak. 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbal Wraps

From: j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 09:06:35 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):



Hello again,

	I was surpirsed not to hear anyting back from folks re: herbal

wraps.  I contacted some other sources and got wonderful info.

	Is anyone interested in hearing what I learned? (procedure, uses

of and herbs for sprains, injuries, abdominal cramping, cardiac etc.)  I

found a wealth of info through the Anthroposophical Medical and Nursing

societies, who use herbs in many forms.

	Jenny Iris



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Subject: Re: Herbal Wraps

From: j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:42:45 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):



OK  Here is the scoop on "herbal wraps"

This based on information from several sources

1)  "Lillipoh"  (journal featuring the Anthroposophical approach to

health and illness)

the current issue  (Issue 14 fall/winter) - an article entitled

"Compresses and Poultices"

e-mail address     lilipoh@aol.com



2)  A book called "Caring for the Sick at Home", by T.van Bentheim, s

Bos, W. Visser, E. de la Houssaye  (Anthroposopic Press)

e-mail address   anthropres@aol.com, phone 1800-925-1795



3)  A phone conversation w/ a nurse belonging to the Anthroposophical

Nurses Association of America



Herbal wraps:    (warning:  never apply essential oils directly to skin,

dilute as directed)

For bruises and sprains:

	Using one part Arnica Essence to nin parts water at room

temperature, wet a cloth the size of the affected area (closed skin

injuires only).  Apply to the affected area and cover w/ wool wrap.  Add

moinsture under the wool wrap.  Keep this up until the swelling has gone

down, the switch to using Arnica ointment.



For Inflammations and abrasions:

	Same procedure using calenula essence.



For Abd cramping, menstrual cramps, inflamed eyes, sensory overload

(especially in children):

	Chamomile infusion, boiled then cooled to warm (not hot) apply

over affected area.



For minor burns:

	After running cool water over affected area, apply Combudoron

burn ointment the wrap w/ cool damp (wrung out cloth)

	

	This is only a partial listing, both references mention many

more, wraps, compresses, poultices and inhalations for various

conditions.

 

I plan to use the "Arnica wrap" for my daughter after her Wisdom teeth

extraction.  Any thoughts, addtional suggestions are welcome.

-Jenny Iris



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Liver

From: SarinaX@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:45:01 EST

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Can anyone recommend anything for liver other than dandelion or milk thistle?

I am talking about serious liver problems. Also, if tincture (alcohol) cannot

be used for liver, how does one avoid taking abnormal amounts of an herb to

get its medicinal benefit? I am sure there must be a way! :)



Sarina





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Liver

From: "Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionist@mailexcite.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:45:01 PST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionist@mailexcite.com>:



>Can anyone recommend anything for liver 

>other than dandelion or milk thistle?

>I am talking about serious liver problems.

>Also, if tincture (alcohol) cannot

>be used for liver, how does one avoid taking >abnormal amounts of an herb

to

>get its medicinal benefit? 



Re alcohol first, you can put the extract

in warm, not hot, water and let it sit 

for 10-15 minutes so that the alcohol has

time to dissipate.  I also heard that you can

leave a tincture bottle open for several hours

to dissipate alcohol, then you would need to

store it in the refrigerator and use up in a

week to avoid spoiling.



What kind of liver condition are you dealing

with before I try to respond to what would

be good?  Thanks.



Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN

Licensed Certified Nutritionist



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Liver

From: SarinaX@aol.com

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:20:43 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from SarinaX@aol.com:



In a message dated 98-10-30 18:45:59 EST, you write:



<< 

 What kind of liver condition are you dealing

 with before I try to respond to what would

 be good?  Thanks.

 

 >>



Hypoglycemia, hypothyroidism (liver is involved with t4 and t3 conversion) and

it is just downright sore! :)



Sarina





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Oatstraw and Peppermint teas

From: joanr@mindlink.net

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:25:42 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from joanr@mindlink.net:



creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:

> Since she is under stress, she might try oatstraw

> infusions- overnight steeping of an ounce of herb in a quart of boiling

> water. (And it is okay to decoct (boil) oats, although I might only do

> half decocted and the rest infused.)  This is a good nervine with lots of

> minerals.



Karen, I read that if you drink hot oatstraw tea it is not a good tea for

bedtime but if it is cool then oatstraw is relaxing.  Also the same for

peppermint - hot is a stimulant, cold is not. Do you know if this is true?  

Also, in one of Michael Tierra's books, he mentioned that you should limit the

use of high tannin herbs like uva ursi etc. and he also said peppermint. That

is the only reference I have ever seen that says peppermint has a high level

of tannins.  How bad are tannins for you?.........Joan





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Oatstraw and Peppermint teas

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:35:47 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



I never drink oatstraw infusions hot.  I like them at room temperature

and they feel better that way.  Cool, they are quite relaxing, and feel

nourishing to boot. (Just the thing for stressed-out herbies.)



I tend to agree with peppermint being cooling when cold and stimulating

when hot.  It is a peculiar kind of stimulating- like those icy-hot

linements.  (I go for the truly hot capascian linements myself.)



Peppermint has tannins, but nothing compared to oak bark.  I wouldn't

worry about it.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:25:42 -0700 joanr@mindlink.net writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from joanr@mindlink.net:

>

>creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:

>> Since she is under stress, she might try oatstraw

>> infusions- overnight steeping of an ounce of herb in a quart of 

>boiling

>> water. (And it is okay to decoct (boil) oats, although I might only 

>do

>> half decocted and the rest infused.)  This is a good nervine with 

>lots of

>> minerals.

>

>Karen, I read that if you drink hot oatstraw tea it is not a good tea 

>for

>bedtime but if it is cool then oatstraw is relaxing.  Also the same 

>for

>peppermint - hot is a stimulant, cold is not. Do you know if this is 

>true?  

>Also, in one of Michael Tierra's books, he mentioned that you should 

>limit the

>use of high tannin herbs like uva ursi etc. and he also said 

>peppermint. That

>is the only reference I have ever seen that says peppermint has a high 

>level

>of tannins.  How bad are tannins for you?.........Joan

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Oatstraw and Peppermint teas

From: natural <natural@wt.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:53:30 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from natural <natural@wt.net>:



> Karen and others:  Was going to post a question about peppermint and this

> is a good time.



Have interesting client.  Mid-40's. She came to me with severe urinary

incontinence.  After initial consult and history and a 2 week food log,

noticed she drank about 12 cups of peppermint tea between dinner and bed time

(really). Asked for strength; she said a couple handfulls to 12 cups of

water.  She had OB/GYN exam; couldn't find anything wrong.



I requested she abstain from the peppermint tea for a week at least; 4 days

later she called delighted that her urinary incontinence had cleared.



Any thoughts on this?



Rosie

Back to Nature by Rosie







> To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

> I never drink oatstraw infusions hot.  I like them at room temperature

> and they feel better that way.  Cool, they are quite relaxing, and feel

> nourishing to boot. (Just the thing for stressed-out herbies.)

>

> I tend to agree with peppermint being cooling when cold and stimulating

> when hot.  It is a peculiar kind of stimulating- like those icy-hot

> linements.  (I go for the truly hot capascian linements myself.)

>

> Peppermint has tannins, but nothing compared to oak bark.  I wouldn't

> worry about it.

>

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Oatstraw and Peppermint teas

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 05:10:53 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



Rosie,

  I know you asked Karen this but I find it strange that a women in her

mid-40's to have severe incontinence ..like you did. If she had 10 children

it wouldn't be so strange

but that fact is not known.

In order for her to be incontinent the muscles of the bladder have to loose

tone or control or nerve impulses interrupted. 

Peppermint has an action that anesthetizes mucous membranes and the

gastrointestinal tract..My guess is that is you consume huge amounts you

will anesthetize the bladder & your ability to control also.



Lucinda

>I requested she abstain from the peppermint tea for a week at least; 4 days

>later she called delighted that her urinary incontinence had cleared.

>Any thoughts on this?

>Rosie

>Back to Nature by Rosie



Lucinda Jenkins

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Oatstraw and Peppermint teas

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:06:30 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



12 cups of any tea between dinner and bedtime is likely to cause urinary

incontinence.  Add to that the stimulating properties of peppermint...



If some is good, more is not necessarily better.



Karen Vaughan

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>Have interesting client.  Mid-40's. She came to me with severe urinary

>incontinence.  After initial consult and history and a 2 week food log,

>noticed she drank about 12 cups of peppermint tea between dinner and 

>bed time



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Dream Teas?

From: "Jeff E. Kinzli" <kinzli@cisco.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 13:30:27 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Jeff E. Kinzli" <kinzli@cisco.com>:



I'm currently drinking a tea before bed that has Kava Kava and other herbs in

it that help promote dreaming. It's quite amazing actually, I went from zero

dreams remembered to remembering 3-8 dreams a night now.



I've also heard that plantain tea is good for promoting dreams. I tried a tea

of plantain leaves and felt a mild 'high' after drinking it, and was wondering

if others have experienced this. The tea was quite tastey, but I'm wondering if

I did something wrong. I also understand there's different types of plantain

around, i.e. plantain means different things to different people (plantain

leaves, plantain fruit, etc.).



The goal is increased dreaming and increased clarity, so any suggestions are

welcome!



One thing I'm going to add is choline supplementation...



-Jeff





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Passion Flower

From: Kat11559@aol.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 16:36:59 EST

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Hi All,



It is turning to fall here in Texas, and slowly the plants are starting to

turn.  I have a beautiful passion flower vine and I need to know about the

best way to keep the leaves for tea.



Thanks,

Kat





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: jaw/gum/tooth problems

From: kimmer <tbpete@oneimage.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:59:28 -0700

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To herb@MyList.net from kimmer <tbpete@oneimage.com>:



hello everyone!



my boyfriend got some very weird news from the dentist

this morning.  he said that his jaw is deteoriating.  they are

going to pull a couple wisdom teeth, do a root canal, try

to save what they can.



the dentist said that the part of the jaw that is gone, is gone.

period.  he says they are going to build up the gums to support

the teeth so he doesn't lose the teeth.



my boyfriend has experienced no pain in the jaw.  can we just

lose bone like that?  where does it go?  how come you don't know

you are losing something like that?  is there anything we can

do herbally to strengthen that part of our bodies?



we take vitamin and mineral supplements, brush regularly,

and eat lots of dairy.  i don't understand how something like

this can happen and you not even realize it is happening to

you.  i haven't seen anything on this list except for toothache.

i don't know if i'm looking for something to strengthen and

repair the teeth or the gums or the jaw itself.  the condition

sounds serious to me, and anything we can do to take care of

ourselves, ourselves, is worth a try to me.



any herbal dental information or bone information is very much

appreciated.  thank you!



kimmer at tbpete@oneimage.com







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: jaw/gum/tooth problems

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 18:00:10 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



Karen Vaughan posted this back in March regarding rebuilding tooth

enamel....



<<David Winston gave a formula of 2 parts horsetail, 1 part nettles and 1

part alfalfa, which he administers in pill form.  He has seen extensive

remineralization with before and after xrays.  Susun Weed adds oatstraw

and she gives it in the form of alternating simple overnight infusions at

1 oz. herb to 1 quart water.  David Winston believes that insufficient

minerals come out in an infusion- that it takes 36 hours by which time

the bacterial growth is too extensive for safety.  A way around this

would be to boil the horsetail and oatstraw for a half hour before

leaving them overnight- the alfalfa and nettles require less time.



Tinctures have virtually no minerals unless spagyrically processed with

the marc ashes, which almost no manufacturers do.>>



I believe that these formulas are also useful for rebuilding jawbone....at

least as good as anything else I have heard.



Joanie MacPhee









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: jaw/gum/tooth problems

From: Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@uscom.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:14:50 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@uscom.com>:



Joanie MacPhee wrote:

 

> <<David Winston gave a formula of 2 parts horsetail, 1 part nettles and 1

> part alfalfa, which he administers in pill form.  He has seen extensive

> remineralization with before and after xrays.  

> I believe that these formulas are also useful for rebuilding jawbone....at

> least as good as anything else I have heard.



David Winston says that once the bone is gone, it's gone, but that these

herbs can remineralize weakened bone dramatically.

Jodi

> 

> Joanie MacPhee





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: jaw/gum/tooth problems

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:30:31 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



I'd do the things recommended for osteoprosis- weight bearing exercise, a

higher magnesium to calcium ratio, avoiding excess protein at least

unless you supplement with magnesium.



See if you can avoid the root canal.  They tend to get colonized with

bacteria  and the dead tooth becomes a source of infection, causing

diseases.  One way to do this is to brush regularly with goldenseal

powder and baking soda, moistened with grapefruit seed extract

(Citricidal-nci) two or three timea a day.  Make sure the goldenseal is

organic cultivated goldenseal because it is endangered.  Gums are one of

those things that respond better to goldenseal than to Oregon grape. Yes

your teeth will get stained a bit, but it is worth it.  



Joanie gave you my recommendations for herbs.  And get a second opinion

before you have him do anything drastic- preferably from a wholistic

dentist.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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your choice.

Remember that you are a spiritual being in a physical body.  Care for

both.



On Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:59:28 -0700 kimmer <tbpete@oneimage.com> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from kimmer <tbpete@oneimage.com>:

>

>hello everyone!

>

>my boyfriend got some very weird news from the dentist

>this morning.  he said that his jaw is deteoriating.  they are

>going to pull a couple wisdom teeth, do a root canal, try

>to save what they can.

>

>the dentist said that the part of the jaw that is gone, is gone.

>period.  he says they are going to build up the gums to support

>the teeth so he doesn't lose the teeth.

>

>my boyfriend has experienced no pain in the jaw.  can we just

>lose bone like that?  where does it go?  how come you don't know

>you are losing something like that?  is there anything we can

>do herbally to strengthen that part of our bodies?

>

>we take vitamin and mineral supplements, brush regularly,

>and eat lots of dairy.  i don't understand how something like

>this can happen and you not even realize it is happening to

>you.  i haven't seen anything on this list except for toothache.

>i don't know if i'm looking for something to strengthen and

>repair the teeth or the gums or the jaw itself.  the condition

>sounds serious to me, and anything we can do to take care of

>ourselves, ourselves, is worth a try to me.

>

>any herbal dental information or bone information is very much

>appreciated.  thank you!

>

>kimmer at tbpete@oneimage.com

>

>



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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: jaw/gum/tooth problems

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:31:57 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



>Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 14:59:28 -0700

>From: kimmer <tbpete@oneimage.com>





>we take vitamin and mineral supplements, brush regularly,

>and eat lots of dairy.  i don't understand how something like

>this can happen and you not even realize it is happening to

>you.  i haven't seen anything on this list except for toothache.

>i don't know if i'm looking for something to strengthen and

>repair the teeth or the gums or the jaw itself.  the condition

>sounds serious to me, and anything we can do to take care of

>ourselves, ourselves, is worth a try to me.



>any herbal dental information or bone information is very much

>appreciated.  thank you!



>kimmer at tbpete@oneimage.com



Kimmer,



I am in the process of gathering the ingredients for the following formula

for my own use.  I got the formula from the book "Curing with Cayenne" by

Sam Bizer.  He says that it does indeed stimulate the regrowth of bone and

kill the bacteria causing the loss to begin with.  The formula came from Dr.

Richard Schulze.  I have used many of his formulas in the past, and they

have always worked in the way he said they would.



2 oz. Echinacea Root Tincture

8 dropperfuls of Tea Tree Oil (keeps the Cayenne from burning)

1 oz. Bayberry Tincture

1/2 oz. Oak Gall Tincture (use Oak Bark if you can't find Gall, but use

twice as much)

4 dropperfuls of Cayenne Tincture

20 drops Peppermint Oil



Fill a WaterPik reservoir with distiller water.  Add 2-8 dropperfuls of this

mixture and use as normal.  Be sure and run the Pik for at least 10 seconds

with just plain clear water, after you're done, or the oils will destroy it.



Marie Winston

b.winston@worldnet.att.net











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: jaw/gum/tooth problems

From: "Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionist@mailexcite.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:18:13 PST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionist@mailexcite.com>:



>my boyfriend got some very weird news 

>from the dentist this morning.  he said that 

>his jaw is deteoriating...

> 

> the dentist said that the part of the 

>jaw that is gone, is gone. period.  can we 

>just lose bone like that?  where does it go?  >how come you don't know

>you are losing something like that?  

>is there anything we can

>do herbally to strengthen that part 

>of our bodies?

> 

>we take vitamin and mineral supplements, 

>brush regularly, and eat lots of dairy.  



That is unusual - sorry to hear he is

going through so much.  The last part first,

dairy and many other forms of calcium can

be hard for the body to assimilate without the

proper vitamins, minerals, phytonutrients, etc.

to aid in assimilation.  Dairy also is generally

frowned upon by nutritionists because it is a 

mucous-forming food, the cause of a lot of 

congestion in the respiratory and digestive 

system.  I know that goes against

what the dairy association would like us to

think.  I still eat yogurt and have some cheese

now and then, but I don't depend upon this for

my calcium.  



I use herbs along with my calcium supplement that help the body to

assimilate the calcium.

These herbs contain calcium, but in studying

them it was found that the benefit outweighed 

the amount of calcium the herbs contain, so

it was concluded that their greater benefit

was in aiding in the assimilation of calcium.

Herbs included horsetail, plaintain, oatstraw,

wheat grass herb, alfalfa (sends its roots down

20 or more feet so gets many minerals others do

not) and the calcium i use is citrate form, with

vitamin D and magnesium, mg. of magnesium is 

1/2 that of the calcium.



Perhaps there are other things in his diet that 

should also be considered, a good nutritional

evaluation may be in order.



Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN

Licensed Certified Nutritionist



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Post-nasal drip and bad breath

From: Lori <lja@enteract.com>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 19:57:53 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Lori <lja@enteract.com>:



Does anyone have any ideas for herbal remedies for bad breath, probably

caused by post-nasal drip? (Where better to ask such an embarrassing

question?)

Thanks, Lori





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Post-nasal drip and bad breath

From: oinonenehren@macalester.edu

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:17:47 -0500 (CDT)

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To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:



If you are having post nasal drip that causes bad breath there is

something unfortunate growing in your sinus(se).  You might want to try a

neti pot to cleanse your nose and sinus openings, which will help them

drain.  Ephedra, in small doses, will help things open up and drain.  If

you start feeling jittery that's a sign that you've had too much.

Drinking ephedra as a tea is a good idea--hot liquids will also help open

things up.  You probably have an infection you aren't aware of yet.  If

your mucous is cloudy, yellow or greenish you might want to start on

ecinacea (sp?) to help you duke it out with those bugs.  Don't want until

you start getting sinus headaches, seeing blood.  Take care of this now--

Speaking as one who knows, sinus infections can be excruciatingly painful. 

Chris

oinonenehren@macalester.edu

PS Drink lots and lots of water!!!







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Post-nasal drip and bad breath

From: "Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionist@mailexcite.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 18:28:23 PST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN" <nutritionist@mailexcite.com>:



>Does anyone have any ideas for herbal 

>remedies for bad breath, probably

>caused by post-nasal drip? (Where better 

>to ask such an embarrassing question?) 



:-)



Are you taking anything herbal, or adjusting

diet at all for the post-nasal drip?  We use

peppermint oil (for bad breath) - just 

one drop on the tongue

is great. To much peppermint oil can make you

ill, but a drop is fine.  Also good for an

upset stomach, moving gas out of the intestines,

etc.   Chlorophyl is great as well for

deoderizing the body and building the blood

as well - green drinks.



Claudia L. Meydrech, LCN

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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Milk Thistle Seed or Powder for Tinctures?

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Thu, 29 Oct 1998 22:37:50 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:



I would like to tincture some milk thistle & was wondering if it is better

to use the seed or powder?

Thank you,

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Male Infertility

From: Kiran_Cavale <kiran_cavale@satyam.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:53:51 +0530

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To herb@MyList.net from Kiran_Cavale <kiran_cavale@satyam.com>:



Hello there;

I am from India and am suffering from male infertility (a low sperm

count and low  motility). I have just started a course of Ayurvedic

herbs.



Since my brother will be visiting Australia shortly, I am looking for

some western herbs for improving sperm count and motility. I have read

in some books that a decoction of the following herbs is a recommended

solution: - 1. Asian or siberian Gingseng (Eleutherococcus Senticosus)

 2. Damiana (Turmera aphrodisiaca or Turmera Diffusa)

 3. Saw Palmetto(Serenoa Serrulata)



Does anyone have any experience or views on this?

 

Would these herbs be available in Australia or the USA? Do you think

we could grow these herbs in Indian Conditions - I live at Hyderabad

which is on the Deccan plains.

A few questions about Ginseng 

- are there any toxic effects of Ginseng? Is there any recommended

Dosage?

- I understand that one should watch out for spurious stuff - can anyone

recommend a good brand being sold in Australia?

I have recently subscribed to this list and must say that I am quite

impressed with the concern that all of you in the West show for

herbs;which forms the foundation for our traditional Ayurvedic methods  

I also have some nutritional material on male infertility which I can

share with whoever is interested.

In case anyone has or knows someone with a similar problem, I would

be glad to be in touch with them directly to share experiences.



Thanx in advance

 

 Kiran N Cavale

 Hyderabad India 

 Email Kiran_cavale@satyam.com



Regards

Kiran N.Cavale

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To: herb@MyList.net

From: "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:34:37 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from "linda semple" <lindasemple@hotmail.com>:



on 30/10/98 you wrote:



any herbal dental information or bone information is very much

>appreciated.  thank you!

>

>kimmer at tbpete@oneimage.com





One of the researchers into sports science here in Edinburgh has 

recently been doing some work with young men who cycle regularly (eg 

racers or couriers). The research is not complete but he was telling me 

that in some of them he found their bone density was as bad as some 

post-menopausal women - lack of load-bearing exercise!



Does your boyfriend cycle a lot? Just a thought.



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Remaining stalwart

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@NETVISION.NET.IL>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:43:19 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:



creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:



> Your treatment plan sounds good.  I might mix the green clay with

> echinacea tincture (or decocted echinacea purpurea) instead of water.

> The aqueous components seem to help topically.



Thank you for the educated support on the chicken pox relief plan, Karen. On

another note, I seem to recall reading a post in which you mention how

little support family members might show with regard to one's

herbal/alternative work... I suspect most of us on this list, and other

herb-related lists, have to go ahead with our work regardless of subversion

from the family. My father used to ask (in a jesting sort of way) if I had

"any fresh tincture of Swineherd's Yarmulka" - a pretty funny goof off

Shepherd's Purse and Scullcap, actually. Well, he and Mom have come around.

Every so often they'll call and ask for the sage gargle recipe, again, or

remind me to refill his motherwort/hawthorn supply for his heart

condition...



And if the Y2K theory has any foundation, it will eventually become the

herbal and traditional remedies which will be the basis for healing -

another reason to assiduously stock up on raw materials for medicated oils,

tinctures, etc. You can hardly go wrong by having plenty of them around

anyway.



Can anyone expand on why propolis isn't more often mentioned as a natural

immune booster? It isn't herbal, of course, being a bee by-product, but

maybe the point can be stretched... Here in Israel it's quite popular,

especially in combination with echinacea. I find it interesting that

Americans and Europeans don't mention propolis.



Good weekend to all,



Miriam Kresh

miriam_k@netvision.net.il







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Remaining stalwart

From: aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:38:49 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



Hi, Miriam--



It sounds like you've taken every preventive step regarding the chicken pox

problem.  Our children were exposed many times in early childhood and

stubbornly refused to develop chicken pox until they were 9 and 13 years

old--then it was much more troublesome of course.



Regarding propolis, I see it mentioned fairly often particularly among the

organic farmers and growers organizations.  One problem in recent years is

that the bee colonies have been severely reduced by a variety of tracheal

mite that seems resistant to every means of eradication and new bee strains

that are supposed to be resistant to infestation are affected anyway. 



Good luck



Aliceann Carlton

carlton@mint.net







At 01:43 PM 10/30/98 +0200, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:

>

>creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:

>

>> Your treatment plan sounds good.  I might mix the green clay with

>> echinacea tincture (or decocted echinacea purpurea) instead of water.

>> The aqueous components seem to help topically.

>

>Thank you for the educated support on the chicken pox relief plan, Karen. On

>another note, I seem to recall reading a post in which you mention how

>little support family members might show with regard to one's

>herbal/alternative work... I suspect most of us on this list, and other

>herb-related lists, have to go ahead with our work regardless of subversion

>from the family. My father used to ask (in a jesting sort of way) if I had

>"any fresh tincture of Swineherd's Yarmulka" - a pretty funny goof off

>Shepherd's Purse and Scullcap, actually. Well, he and Mom have come around.

>Every so often they'll call and ask for the sage gargle recipe, again, or

>remind me to refill his motherwort/hawthorn supply for his heart

>condition...

>

>And if the Y2K theory has any foundation, it will eventually become the

>herbal and traditional remedies which will be the basis for healing -

>another reason to assiduously stock up on raw materials for medicated oils,

>tinctures, etc. You can hardly go wrong by having plenty of them around

>anyway.

>

>Can anyone expand on why propolis isn't more often mentioned as a natural

>immune booster? It isn't herbal, of course, being a bee by-product, but

>maybe the point can be stretched... Here in Israel it's quite popular,

>especially in combination with echinacea. I find it interesting that

>Americans and Europeans don't mention propolis.

>

>Good weekend to all,

>

>Miriam Kresh

>miriam_k@netvision.net.il

>

>



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Subject: Re: Remaining stalwart

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:15:33 -0500

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Ah, family support.....Well, my father, the physiologist, has finally

been converted to echinacea and a few other herbs after years of

scoffing, and he recently allowed that he was impressed by my knowledge

in what he previously thought was a flakey enterprise.  My husband takes

a few safely encapsulated herbs, wouldn't dream of going near an

acupuncturist and wishes I'd stick to something serious like real estate

(which wouldn't fill up my office with all those funny bottles of strange

liquids and dried sticks and leaves.)  My youngest son scoffs and

generally avoids anything green but according to his teacher shows off

his herbal knowlege when in class or the botanical garden and tells the

class about what I do.  My oldest uses herbs and acupuncture and

occasionally researches topics for school (especially if he can do

something technical like build a Hulda Clark zapper.)



I find when I work with children's classes or scout troops that there is

usually at least one youngster who is knowlegable about herbs or at least

very interested.  (And often a boy.)  We're planting seeds and some will

fall upon fertile ground.



(Swineherd's yamulka- That's good!)



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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:43:19 +0200 miriam kresh

<miriam_k@netvision.net.il> writes:

> I seem to recall reading a post in which you mention how

>little support family members might show with regard to one's

>herbal/alternative work... I suspect most of us on this list, and other

>herb-related lists, have to go ahead with our work regardless of

subversion

>from the family. My father used to ask (in a jesting sort of way) if I

had

>"any fresh tincture of Swineherd's Yarmulka" - a pretty funny goof off

>Shepherd's Purse and Scullcap, actually. Well, he and Mom have come

>around.Every so often they'll call and ask for the sage gargle recipe,

again, 

>or remind me to refill his motherwort/hawthorn supply for his heart

>condition...



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Remaining stalwart

From: "The Ackermanns" <ackermann@kih.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:21:07 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "The Ackermanns" <ackermann@kih.net>:



Excuse me but what is a "Hulda Clark Zapper"? I hate to sound silly but I

haven't heard of this one. Thanks



----------

> From: creationsgarden@juno.com

> To: herb@MyList.net

> Subject: Re: Remaining stalwart

> Date: Friday, October 30, 1998 8:15 AM

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

> 

> Ah, family support.....Well, my father, the physiologist, has finally

> been converted to echinacea and a few other herbs after years of

> scoffing, and he recently allowed that he was impressed by my knowledge

> in what he previously thought was a flakey enterprise.  My husband takes

> a few safely encapsulated herbs, wouldn't dream of going near an

> acupuncturist and wishes I'd stick to something serious like real estate

> (which wouldn't fill up my office with all those funny bottles of strange

> liquids and dried sticks and leaves.)  My youngest son scoffs and

> generally avoids anything green but according to his teacher shows off

> his herbal knowlege when in class or the botanical garden and tells the

> class about what I do.  My oldest uses herbs and acupuncture and

> occasionally researches topics for school (especially if he can do

> something technical like build a Hulda Clark zapper.)

> 

> I find when I work with children's classes or scout troops that there is

> usually at least one youngster who is knowlegable about herbs or at least

> very interested.  (And often a boy.)  We're planting seeds and some will

> fall upon fertile ground.

> 

> (Swineherd's yamulka- That's good!)

> 

> Karen Vaughan

> CreationsGarden@juno.com

> ***************************************

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> your choice.

> Remember that you are a spiritual being in a physical body.  Care for

> both.

> 

> On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:43:19 +0200 miriam kresh

> <miriam_k@netvision.net.il> writes:

> > I seem to recall reading a post in which you mention how

> >little support family members might show with regard to one's

> >herbal/alternative work... I suspect most of us on this list, and other

> >herb-related lists, have to go ahead with our work regardless of

> subversion

> >from the family. My father used to ask (in a jesting sort of way) if I

> had

> >"any fresh tincture of Swineherd's Yarmulka" - a pretty funny goof off

> >Shepherd's Purse and Scullcap, actually. Well, he and Mom have come

> >around.Every so often they'll call and ask for the sage gargle recipe,

> again, 

> >or remind me to refill his motherwort/hawthorn supply for his heart

> >condition...

> 

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Subject: Re: Remaining stalwart

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 16:34:13 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:21:07 -0500, "The Ackermanns" <ackermann@kih.net> wrote

to <herb@MyList.net>:



>Excuse me but what is a "Hulda Clark Zapper"? I hate to sound silly but I

>haven't heard of this one. Thanks



Hulda Clark is off-topic to this list, I'm sorry to say. This only because I'm

still allergic to all the anti-parasitic, pro-kinesiology, pro-zapper,

pro-general-silliness (my opinion) pushing that was done on -all- the herbal

forums when her book "the cure for all cancers" came out. Or was it another book

before that? 

Anyway, she said we all have parasites, which can be detected by muscle testing

(yeah sure), and these parasites make us get cancers (right) which can be cured

- all with the same method. ...sigh.



I might as easily believe in the tooth fairy.



Anyways. What she, in her book describes as the symptoms of parasites (which she

says can be expelled with Juglans, yellowdock and suchlike) are -actually- the

symptoms of ileo-cecal irritability. For -that- Juglans, yellowdock and suchlike

are -specific. It has -nothing- to do with parasites. At all, at all.



So, no Hulda here. Her ideas are less than rational (which isn't a crime) and

shoot a couple miles over target (which is, at least on this list).



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: rash ?

From: Anne <anne@gate.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:40:16 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anne <anne@gate.net>:



Hello everyone!

I just noticed yesterday my back itched a little and of course I scratched

it and it burned a lot. Then I noticed I must have a rash, my family thinks

that is what it is also. I've never had one before , is there anything

herbally I can put on it to make it go away? It doesn't itch that much yet

, maybe because I'm resisting scratching it! :) Any suggestions would be

much appreciated. I only posted because I haven't seen anything about

rashes on any lists so far. 



Thanks! :)

 Sometimes it seems we are so into our fantasy of a perfect romance, the

right person just walks by.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: rash ?

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:34:31 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Skin rashes are a sign that your body is pushing something out.  The

general strategy is to try to treat the internal condition that causes it

and only use things that draw out the toxins out of the body through the

pores.  If you put something like cortisone on it, it stops the itching

but drives the toxins deeper into your body where they can cause worse

problems.



So a food allergy would involve stopping the offending food, and using

alterative herbs- formerly called "blood purifiers", and something to

give liver support.  (The liver has the job of detoxifying your system

and if you have a rash it is often because there is too much gunk for the

liver to handle (technically speaking)). Examples would be burdock and

dandelion root. If the rash is caused by a virus, you need to assist the

body at fighting off the virus.  Common herbs for this are echinacea and

Oregon grape.



Clay poultices on the skin, oatmeal baths and warm herbal compresses help

move the stuff your body is excreting through the skin faster, so the

rash won't last as long.  Diaphoretics like yarrow, which make you sweat,

let it go through faster too.  If the skin isn't too tender, brushing

your skin with a dry back brush or a scruffy to open up the pores can

help.  In fact it is a good practice to do dry brush massage all over

your skin every morning and evening.  Your skin is your largest organ of

excretion and the massage helps open the pores and move the lymph so you

function optimally.



So we don't know enough from what you have told up to know what the cause

is or how to treat the internal condition.  The baths, brushing, yarrow

and burdock will probably help in any event, but you need to find the

cause so you don't have a recurring problem.

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:40:16 -0500 Anne <anne@gate.net> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Anne <anne@gate.net>:

>

>Hello everyone!

>I just noticed yesterday my back itched a little and of course I 

>scratched

>it and it burned a lot. Then I noticed I must have a rash, my family 

>thinks

>that is what it is also. I've never had one before , is there anything

>herbally I can put on it to make it go away? It doesn't itch that much 

>yet

>, maybe because I'm resisting scratching it! :) Any suggestions would 

>be

>much appreciated. I only posted because I haven't seen anything about

>rashes on any lists so far. 

>

>Thanks! :)

> Sometimes it seems we are so into our fantasy of a perfect romance, 

>the

>right person just walks by.

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: rash ?

From: Debbie McDonald <lullwatr@flash.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:21:12 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Debbie McDonald <lullwatr@flash.net>:



What about the introductory rash that indicates an infection with lyme? I would

see a doctor for any rash that is suspect, unless you want to live the lyme

nightmare.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: rash ?

From: Anne <anne@gate.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 09:45:09 -0500 (EST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Anne <anne@gate.net>:



Thanks! I was planning on visiting the doctor for something unrelated but

I will definately ask her to look at it, espically since I've never had

one before.



I appreciate the advice, I will try it!





On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

> 

> Skin rashes are a sign that your body is pushing something out.  The

> general strategy is to try to treat the internal condition that causes it

> and only use things that draw out the toxins out of the body through the

> pores.  If you put something like cortisone on it, it stops the itching

> but drives the toxins deeper into your body where they can cause worse

> problems.









 "Sometimes it seems we are so into our fantasy of a perfect romance, the 

right person just walks by."                                              



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Propolis

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:53:21 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



One reason we don't use propolis as much is that our bees are dying off

due to varola(?) mites, a fungal infection and species competition in the

south.(Not too mention that travelling hives in monocrop agriculture has

hastened the spread of the same.)  We've lost a vast percentage of our

hives in the last few years and most of the remaining ones have had to be

treated with a specific pesticide to kill the mites (but not the bees)..



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 13:43:19 +0200 miriam kresh

<miriam_k@netvision.net.il> writes:

>Can anyone expand on why propolis isn't more often mentioned as a

natural

>immune booster? It isn't herbal, of course, being a bee by-product,but

>maybe the point can be stretched... Here in Israel it's quite popular,

>especially in combination with echinacea. I find it interesting that

>Americans and Europeans don't mention propolis.



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Propolis

From: aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 08:42:36 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from aliceann or scott carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



At 07:53 AM 10/30/98 -0500, creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:



>One reason we don't use propolis as much is that our bees are dying off

>due to varola(?) mites, a fungal infection and species competition in the

>south.(Not too mention that travelling hives in monocrop agriculture has

>hastened the spread of the same.)  We've lost a vast percentage of our

>hives in the last few years and most of the remaining ones have had to be

>treated with a specific pesticide to kill the mites (but not the bees)..

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

 

Karen:



This is correct. In many parts of the US,  colony losses have surpassed

80%; most losses occuring during overwintering.  Winterkill has

traditionally been a concern, but rarely a significant problem.

Historically, parasitic mites have been an issue along with several

bacterial diseases but the rapid and efficient spread of the Varoa mite has

resulted in colonies which are, in many cases, far too weakend to survive

even moderate winters.  However, to return to my soapbox for  a moment or

two, there are further reasons for the decline of bee colonies in this

country.  A continuing reliance upon potent insecticides takes a terrible

toll upon foraging workers and their colonies.  Another (in my personal

view) major issue is the cost of establishing and maintaining a colony of

honeybees.  What used to cost between $40 and $60 dollars is now well over

$200.  Multiply that by the number of colonies required to pollinate,

subtract the pesticide losses, factor in the new mite, and be sure to

include the cost of the appropriate miticide which remains horribly

expensive, and then look at the price of honey which has not increased that

much.  Looks like a major failure-in-the-making.



Fortunately, where honeybees are no longer a significant contributor to the

agricultural scene, many solitary bees have taken up the challenge and

populations have exploded -- somewhat filling the void -- and keeping us

ignorant of what the loss of the honeybee truly represents.



Scott Carlton

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Propolis

From: snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen)

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 11:39:42 -0800 (PST)

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To herb@MyList.net from snielsen@orednet.org (Susan L. Nielsen):







Karen Vaughn says:



>One reason we don't use propolis as much is that our bees are dying off

>due to varola(?) mites, a fungal infection and species competition in the

>south.(Not too mention that travelling hives in monocrop agriculture has

>hastened the spread of the same.)  We've lost a vast percentage of our

>hives in the last few years and most of the remaining ones have had to be

>treated with a specific pesticide to kill the mites (but not the bees)..



Propolis is certainly expensive, but not because of the decline of

wild bees. It is produced in relatively small amounts by the bees,

in contrast to honey, which is produced in unbelievable quantities

by a healthy hive. I'll not go into the economics of honey production

and sale here ('nother topic, 'nother list), but propolis production

is an interesting topic that is, technically, appropriate here.

At least for one post. ;-)



Propolis is marginally herbal. It is produced by the bees from

the resins of trees in the areas of the hives. For the bees the

purpose of propolis is adhesive. It is used to glue things

together in the hive, to chink up openings, to wrap up the

corpses of unwanted intruders (one can speculate that its

antiseptic qualities may be helpful within the hive when one

sees an unfortunate mouse mummy all propolized inside the

hive.) Bees produce propolis all year, but in increased

amounts in the autumn when beekeepers can place traps on the

colonies to collect the propolis.



>From the standpoint of contamination from treatment for the

Varroa mite, propolis is most probably clean. Treatment for

mites takes place after the honey crop has been removed from

the hives. Plastic strips impregnated with the acaricide

"Apistan" (Fluvalinate) are placed in the hives. They are

removed 56 days later. I will skip the details of the Varroa

life cycle. Fluvalinate is a contact acaricide; the mite must 

come into direct contact with the material to be affected. Bees 

which carry adult mites on their bodies pass over the strips 

and the mites die.



This is the case in the US. In other places, other treatments

are used. Among them is fumigation with formic acid. I cannot

speak to the residues of fumigation in hive products, but in

the case of Apistan treatment, no measureable quantity of

Fluvalinate has been detected in honey from properly treated

hives. It does appear in wax from treated hives because it 

has an affinity for the oily nature of wax. Generally, the

wax used in cosmetics and creams and balms is "virgin" wax --

it is the white or pollen-colored wax drawn in the current

season, not the darkened wax held over by the bees from

one season to the next, for brood production. The darkening

of deep brown or black beeswax is from the presence of

larval bee cocoons in the cells. This is not, in itself,

harmful, but is not cosmetically attractive and that wax is

returned to the hive. It is in this older wax that Fluvalinate

accumulates.



Apistan treatment takes place in late summer, usually in

August (the honey is removed before that). Propolis collection

takes place in the autumn, Sept. and Oct. as a rule. I have

read no reports of Fluvalinate detected in propolis. From

what I know of its presence in wax, I would not expect it to

show up in propolis even if the propolis were scraped from

the hive bodies themselves (paint might be another subject,

however).



Certainly, we are in a difficult period for honeybee production,

since wild colonies worldwide are affected by the presence of

both the Varroa mite and a trachael mite, by the persistent

use of pesticides in agriculture, and by numerous other hive

diseases and complaints. However, beekeepers are tough to

discourage, and agriculture still depends greatly on the

services of migratory beekeepers for crop pollination.



Now, if you want to speak to the matter of pollen trapping

and sale, I will have another whole essay on the perils of

pollen contamination.



But to sum up, commercial honey is as safe today as it has

ever been. Propolis is safe, if expensive and, perhaps, of

marginal therapeutic use to humans. I would say that beeswax

of unknown origin is not safe for consumption, but should 

pose no problems for use in external applications. 



Susan Nielsen



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: 

From: "Anita F. Hales" <hales1@ktn.net>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 07:54:35 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita F. Hales" <hales1@ktn.net>:



At 09:19 PM 10/26/98 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "kathy gauthier" <kgauthie@acs.ryerson.ca>:

>

>I was wondering if anyone can help me. I am doing a project on herbal

>medicines and their benefits and side affects. I am concentrating on those

>medicines which come in the pill form. Some popular ones I am looking at are

>ginseng, ginko biloba, St. John's wart ect....  What triggered me to look

>into this was the recent refusal of Shopper's drug mart to sell Proenzi 99

>due to health risks, yet many other health stores still sell it. If you can

>give me the scoop on Proenzi 99 or other popuar herbal medicnes, please mail

>me back.

>

>Thanks

>Kathy

>

>

>

What IS Proenzi 99?  I've never heard of it.  Perhaps you could list the

ingredients and we could comment.

As to encapsulated herbs,  why stick with them in capsules or pill form?

There are some definite advantages to infusion or decoctions?  Perhaps you

could include a discussion on infusions and decoctions?





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Michael Tierra on Standardized Abstracts

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 15:39:32 -0500 (EST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



What a clearly written,comprehensive and educational piece this one was...I

would venture to say that this type of internet publishing is precisely the

sort that I hoped to find when I involved myself in the masochistic effort

of learning to use type and use this danged contraption.



The pharmacological, industrial, political and personally cautionary

information here is worth the hours and hours of self training to finally

find. Altho a few other sites have been equally well done and interesting, I

doubt if any can be considered as practical and timely.



Many thanks. I hope for more, and wonder if I will find more of your work

somewhere, Michael Tierra?



Pat Stephens

pat@mindspring.com









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Michael Tierra on Standardized Abstracts

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:20:33 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:





>Many thanks. I hope for more, and wonder if I will find more of your 

>work somewhere, Michael Tierra?



Try www.planetherbs.com



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Hulda Clark

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:12:57 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Hulda Clark, the author of the modestly named "The Cure for all Diseases"

 and "The Cure for all Cancers" has a program that mixes herbal

antiparasite and purgation techniques with a radio frequency device which

is designed to kill bacteria and parasites (the "zapper").  Problem is,

it kills off your good bacteria too.  And since we are symbiotic

associations of bacteria, funguses, yeasts, viruses and probably larger

organisms in a human shell that derived from the same, we risk harming

ourselves.  



I don't necessarily recommend it.  I believe that the zapper is the RF

equivalent to broad spectrum antibiotics.  It kills off your good

bacteria along with the bad, and it uses quantity not species as the

deciding factor of what to kill (if there are lots of bacteria or

whatever, the RF is diluted and doesn't hurt them.)  If there are few,

they are killed.  But quantity is not the measure of usefulness/toxicity

in the body.



Plus I have a scar on my right wrist from the handholds where I dozed off

during treatment.  



And her herbal techniques are extremely hard on the body.  I would rather

nourish someone to health than to purge them. (Although purgation has its

place.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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On Fri, 30 Oct 1998 10:21:07 -0500 "The Ackermanns" <ackermann@kih.net>

writes:

>

>Excuse me but what is a "Hulda Clark Zapper"?



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Oatstraw & peppermint teas

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 21:54:34 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to natural@wt.net:



Drinking 12 cups peppermint tea between dinner and bedtime is an awful lot,

and it must go to the bladder.  Very likely the urinary incontinence problem

was caused not by the peppermint as such but by all that water.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:propolis/bees

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Fri, 30 Oct 1998 22:16:06 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Aliceann Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



Is that tracheal mite that is severely reducing bee colonies Varroa jacobsoni?



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Moths

From: seer7 <seer7@netusa1.net>

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 09:11:47 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from seer7 <seer7@netusa1.net>:



Hi,



Forgive if this has been covered and I missed it....   You know

the moths that get in your pantry?  The ones that come out of

flour and such...little white colored things...

How the heck do you get rid of them with herbs?  They are eating

me out of house and home.

Sherri







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:  Moths

From: MDLukacs@aol.com

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:11:01 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from MDLukacs@aol.com:





In a message dated 10/31/98 9:15:43 AM, you wrote:



<<The ones that come out of

flour and such...little white colored things...

How the heck do you get rid of them with herbs?  They are eating

me out of house and home.>>



I don't think there is a way to get rid of them, I think they must be

prevented.  Once they infest some food item, get it out of the house

immediately ... before they find another food box to reside in.  



I had this problem years ago, but once I threw out EVERYTHING and washed the

cupboards well, the problem dissipated.  Now for safekeeping I keep bay leaves

in my flour and that has worked.



Denise





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:  Moths

From: fool@mail.albany.net

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 21:46:31 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from fool@mail.albany.net:



I had these pesky moths for about a year.  They got in anything. 

Grains, flour, rice, beans, dates etd.  I believe they are grain 

moths whose eggs are present in most products which aren't 

fumigated(ethylene dibromide or whartever) at the mill or factory.  

So if you are using whole organic grains etc. the presence of these 

creatures indicates no fumigation was used most likely.  As the 

person recommended freezing will kill  the eggs.  Bulk items may take 

a week or so.  I leave it in the freezer for a few weeks if there is 

room and am not going to use the stuff in a week.  The food coop 

sells some type of trap.  I caught a lot in my Crisco Shortening can 

that had some flour in it from scooping with a floured spoon. toss 

out contaminated items and vacuum cracks recesses in shelfs

good luck, charley town







> From:          MDLukacs@aol.com

> Date:          Sat, 31 Oct 1998 10:11:01 EST

> To:            herb@MyList.net

> Subject:       Re:  Moths

> Reply-to:      herb@MyList.net



> To herb@MyList.net from MDLukacs@aol.com:

> 

> 

> In a message dated 10/31/98 9:15:43 AM, you wrote:

> 

> <<The ones that come out of

> flour and such...little white colored things...

> How the heck do you get rid of them with herbs?  They are eating

> me out of house and home.>>

> 

> I don't think there is a way to get rid of them, I think they must be

> prevented.  Once they infest some food item, get it out of the house

> immediately ... before they find another food box to reside in.  

> 

> I had this problem years ago, but once I threw out EVERYTHING and washed the

> cupboards well, the problem dissipated.  Now for safekeeping I keep bay leaves

> in my flour and that has worked.

> 

> Denise

> 

> 





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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Moths

From: Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 19:21:43 -0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>:





Charley (fool@mail.albany.net) Wrote:

<snip> I believe they are grain moths whose eggs are present in most 

products which aren't fumigated(ethylene dibromide or whartever) at the 

mill or factory.

-- Another explanation is that the grain isn't washed properly & stored 

properly after washing at the mill.



So if you are using whole organic grains etc. the presence of these 

creatures indicates no fumigation was used most likely.

- Or that infestation happened later.



As the person recommended freezing will kill  the eggs.  Bulk items may 

take a week or so.   <snip>

- True. And stir or otherwise mix up the package/container being given the 

cold treatment.



toss out contaminated items and vacuum cracks recesses in shelfs

good luck, charley town

- Tossing is not always necessary.  After freezing, sift flours and meals, 

repackage in airtight containers and keep frozen, if possible. You can 

store flours & meals (depending on oil content) for a few months in a dark 

cool cabinet.



We freak out too easily about this kind of food problem, in many cases. 

 Was a time when it was impossible to buy ground grain products without 

EXPECTING there to be a few bugs in it, or they'd show up soon enough. 

Sifting wasn't done in years past just to make sure you had a pretty cake. 

<G>





- Tera 







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Moths

From: TXJune <txjune@texoma.net>

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 14:18:07 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from TXJune <txjune@texoma.net>:



I freeze my bags of flour when I get home from the grocery. I buy in bulk

and think that is where they come from. Leave it for at least 24 hours; I

just leave mine in there during the summer. ;-) Also I've heard bay leaves

in the top of your flour. I had so many..... moths that is.. its didn't

work. ;-) Also have heard you can wipe your shelves down with a lavendar

water (I infused lavendar; cooled down and used that). I've tried them all.

The combo of all seems to have worked. Mine are gone. But I think that

freezing fresh bags of flour when you get home is a must. I really believe

thats where you get them. 

I have birds and do the same thing with my bird feed.

June







>Forgive if this has been covered and I missed it....   You know

>the moths that get in your pantry?  The ones that come out of

>flour and such...little white colored things...

>How the heck do you get rid of them with herbs?  They are eating

>me out of house and home.

>Sherri

>

>

>

   

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To: HERB@MyList.net

Subject: re: periodontal disease

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Sat, 31 Oct 1998 12:40:52 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Elfreem@aol.com:



>I am in the process of gathering the ingredients for the following formula

>for my own use.  I got the formula from the book "Curing with Cayenne" by

>Sam Bizer.  He says that it does indeed stimulate the regrowth of bone and

>kill the bacteria causing the loss to begin with.  The formula came from Dr.

>Richard Schulze.  I have used many of his formulas in the past, and they

>have always worked in the way he said they would.

>

>2 oz. Echinacea Root Tincture

>8 dropperfuls of Tea Tree Oil (keeps the Cayenne from burning)

>1 oz. Bayberry Tincture

>1/2 oz. Oak Gall Tincture (use Oak Bark if you can't find Gall, but use

>twice as much)

>4 dropperfuls of Cayenne Tincture

>20 drops Peppermint Oil



I heard of this remedy, but would like to know if anyone has ever tried it

with

success. There is a group that sells this formula ..but the cost is $30 for a

small amount. I thought making my own, but don't know where to obtain

Oak Gall or Oak Gall tincture. It might be worth it ..first I'd like to find

someone to verify the benefit. --Elliot Freeman



