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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Re:Echinacea & tongue tingling

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:24:28 -0500

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<<Could that superstrong tingle from the Echinacea purpurea root tincture

have

been due to the ethanol used in making the tincture?>>



I used vodka to tincture all my herbs & the echinacea is the only tingler!

Maureen









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Echinacea & tongue tingling

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 22:28:24 -0500

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<<However, I'd be surprised if Ech purp was really superstrong on the tingle

side.>>



I buy all my herbs from a company out west in Arizona. I buy the herbs

dried. Unless the bag of echinacea purpurea I got was mislabeled & really

another type, it really tingled. Numb tongue for about 15-20 mins. Strongest

tingle I ever tasted.

Maureen











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Motrin,Echinacea & tongue tingling

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Mon, 30 Nov 1998 23:41:00 -0500

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In response to herbs <herbs@i-zone.demon.co.uk>:



Motrin is a brand of ibuprofen, which is a pain reliever available in over-the-

counter and prescription forms.  Other brand names are Nuprin, Advil, and many

store chains carry their own brand.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Re:Motrin,Echinacea & tongue tingling

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:46:29 -0900

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-----Original Message-----



>

>In response to herbs <herbs@i-zone.demon.co.uk>:

>

>Motrin is a brand of ibuprofen, which is a pain reliever available in

over-the-

>counter and prescription forms.  Other brand names are Nuprin, Advil, and

many

>store chains carry their own brand.

>

>Thomas Mueller

>tmueller@bluegrass.net

>

>

>

Overuse of this drug is BAD for your liver.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Motrin,Echinacea & tongue tingling

From: herbs <herbs@i-zone.demon.co.uk>

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 05:27:35 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from herbs <herbs@i-zone.demon.co.uk>:



In article <003001be1d42$c41dffe0$03000004@hales1.ktn.net>, Anita Hales

<Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net> writes

[motrin]



>Overuse of this drug is BAD for your liver.

>



this is marketed as neurofen here (UK). As it happens, I cant have it -

causes severe stomach irritation (vomiting) which is a known but very

uncommon side effect particularly in the 25-35 age group.



Didn't know about the liver angle though. Thought perhaps a problem for

those with liver disease already present?



-- 

herbs





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: more echinacea

From: "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:50:52 EETDST

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To:             herb@MyList.net

Subject:        more echinacea

Date sent:      Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:19:44 EETDST



There has been a study of Echinacea in Munich, where 302 volunteers 

were taking Echinacea tincture until first flu, which came 

approximately in two months. Out of placebo people 37 % got flu after 

65 days, out of Echinacea people 29-32 % after 69-66 days. So there 

was hardly any effect, but 2 other studies were preventing flu more, 

conclusion: Echinacea is lowering danger of flu 10-20 %.

What do you think of this study?? 

I have thought that immediately if I feel a flu or sore throat is 

coming I start taking Echinacea (or a combination of Echinacea and 

other herbs). So I often stop the flu in the beginning. 

I have thought Echinacea is not a food stuff, so you 

should not take it daily for 2-3 months, like in that study. If I 

take something daily for so long periods, how could this herb have 

effect like medicine, if I would really need it later on? Or have I 

understood herbalism wrong way in this case?

Antti Hovi









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Subject: Re:       more echinacea

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:53:33 -0900

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-----Original Message-----







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From:           Self <LATKK/AHOVI>

To:             herb@MyList.net

Subject:        more echinacea

Date sent:      Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:19:44 EETDST



There has been a study of Echinacea in Munich, where 302 volunteers

were taking Echinacea tincture until first flu, which came

approximately in two months. Out of placebo people 37 % got flu after

65 days, out of Echinacea people 29-32 % after 69-66 days. So there

was hardly any effect, but 2 other studies were preventing flu more,

conclusion: Echinacea is lowering danger of flu 10-20 %.

What do you think of this study??

I have thought that immediately if I feel a flu or sore throat is

coming I start taking Echinacea (or a combination of Echinacea and

other herbs). So I often stop the flu in the beginning.

I have thought Echinacea is not a food stuff, so you

should not take it daily for 2-3 months, like in that study. If I

take something daily for so long periods, how could this herb have

effect like medicine, if I would really need it later on? Or have I

understood herbalism wrong way in this case?

Antti Hovi



It is sufficient to use Echinacea when you start to have symptoms.  It is

not necessary to continually medicate yourself with herbs to achieve a

proper effect.  There are herbs that improve your immune system.  It is a

good idea to get your own body to a point where it prevents disease rather

than rely on continually taking herbs.  It is possible to overdo on a good

thing and when you need it, it won't work.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: more echinacea

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:13:09 -0500

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Anti Hovi wrote



<<There has been a study of Echinacea in Munich, where 302 volunteers 

were taking Echinacea tincture until first flu, which came 

approximately in two months. Out of placebo people 37 % got flu after 

65 days, out of Echinacea people 29-32 % after 69-66 days. So there 

was hardly any effect, but 2 other studies were preventing flu more, 

conclusion: Echinacea is lowering danger of flu 10-20 %.

What do you think of this study?? >>



I quite agree with you that this is a waste of good echinacea.  They

might have done better to take elderberry tea, which helps keep the

defenses up. (But is somewhat sweet for most during an acute infection

IMO).  And I usually go with yarrow tea first.



(But if the herbopharmaceutical companies could get us all to take

echinacea whether we were sick or not, think of how much money would be

produced, though we might use up our wild stocks of Echinaceas

altogether.)

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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Subject: RE: more echinacea

From: "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 11:25:54 -0600 

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Can you please tell me any more about this? Ever since I started using

some herbal remedies I've been looking for reliable information not only

on dosage but on duration. At first I assumed that once you started

taking something you needed to continue it or lose the benefits. Then I

heard about echinacea - but I've heard conflicting info on that too,

some say only take it when you have the symptoms, others say you should

take it 2-3 times a year to boost immune system before cold and flu

season, and in the spring. Can you recommend a good book or other source

of information that would help determine how much to take and for how

long? I'm grateful for any assistance.



-----Original Message-----

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Of Anita Hales

Sent:	Tuesday, December 01, 1998 9:54 AM

To:	herb@MyList.net

Subject:	Re:       more echinacea



To herb@MyList.net <mailto:herb@MyList.net>  from "Anita Hales"

<Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net <mailto:Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net> >:



-----Original Message-----





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Subject:	more echinacea

Date sent:	Mon, 30 Nov 1998 19:19:44 EETDST





It is sufficient to use Echinacea when you start to have symptoms.  It

is not necessary to continually medicate yourself with herbs to achieve

a proper effect.  There are herbs that improve your immune system.  It

is a good idea to get your own body to a point where it prevents disease

rather than rely on continually taking herbs.  It is possible to overdo

on a good thing and when you need it, it won't work.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:more echinacea

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:41:26 -0500

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Regarding that study of Echinacea in Munich where there was practically no

effect in preventing the flu, it is widely believed among herbalists that

echinacea should be taken not on a steady basis: after a week or two, there

should be some days off before resuming.  Maybe taking echinacea on a steady 

basis diminished its effectiveness.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: more echinacea

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:37:12 -0500

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On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:41:26 -0500 tmueller@bluegrass.net writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:

>

>Regarding that study of Echinacea in Munich where there was practically

no

>effect in preventing the flu, it is widely believed among herbalists

that

>echinacea should be taken not on a steady basis: after a week or two, 

>there should be some days off before resuming.  Maybe taking echinacea

on a 

>steady basis diminished its effectiveness.

>

Echinacea is quite effective even in very long term doses, although most

herbalists like the idea of "vacations" after a few weeks.  Effectiveness

in those situations where it is effective seems not to diminish.  But

flus should probably not be supressed and this is not a good use of the

herb.  If a flu is prolonged and the vital force needs help in throwing

it off, that is a different matter.  But first I would go with herbs that

mimic and heighten the body's own response to seasonal respiratory

conditions: diaphoretics, sudaforics, water and sleep.  And light foods

or soup.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

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>



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Subject: Re: Re:more echinacea

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:29:27 -0900

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-----Original Message-----

From: tmueller@BLUEGRASS.NET <tmueller@BLUEGRASS.NET>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 8:08 PM

Subject: Re:more echinacea





>To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:

>

>Regarding that study of Echinacea in Munich where there was practically no

>effect in preventing the flu, it is widely believed among herbalists that

>echinacea should be taken not on a steady basis: after a week or two, there

>should be some days off before resuming.  Maybe taking echinacea on a

steady

>basis diminished its effectiveness.

>

>Thomas Mueller

>tmueller@bluegrass.net

>

>

>

IMHO there are better herbs for preventing flu.  Eupatorium perfoliatum,

Boneset is much better in my opinion and does not have the problem with

continued use.  You can use it every day for long periods of time, unlike

Echinacea.  Try an infusion of Peppermint, Yarrow and Boneset on a daily

basis.  It can help stave off the flu and shorten it's duration should you

happen to get it.







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: more echinacea

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:32:56 -0900

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-----Original Message-----

From: Pat Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 7:35 AM

Subject: RE: more echinacea





>To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:

>

>Can you recommend a good book or other source

>>of information that would help determine how much to take and for how

>>long? I'm grateful for any assistance.

>

>Rodale's Illus. Encyclo. of Herbs is a good start. I'm looking for Michael

>Tierra in my Xmas stocking!!! XX (crossed fingers)

>

>Pat

>

>

>

A much better source in my opinion is Penelopy Ody's, The Complete Medicinal

Herbal.  I have some problems with some of Rodale's advice.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: more echinacea

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 11:33:29 -0500 (EST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



Can you recommend a good book or other source

>of information that would help determine how much to take and for how

>long? I'm grateful for any assistance.



Rodale's Illus. Encyclo. of Herbs is a good start. I'm looking for Michael

Tierra in my Xmas stocking!!! XX (crossed fingers)



Pat









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 04:08:18 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>:



Anyone have suggestions for herbs or herbal combinations (powders,

salves, oils, poultices, etc.) that help draw toxins out through the

skin? I'm thinking of heavy metal buildups that cause skin sores, and

possibly microbes, parasites, fungus, candida, and so on.



Many thanks for suggestions. Randy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:44:28 -0500

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If you just generally want to detoxify through your skin, massage your

skin daily with a dry brush before you shower, shower with dechlorinated

water and take a very hot shower (finishing with cold).  Engage in

regular exercise until you sweat.  Periodically take steam baths or

saunas if not otherwise contraindicated.  Bathe in water mixed with

herbal infusions. Periodic mud baths can draw things out- or clay mixed

with vinegar.  



Poultices are great for drawing stuff out through the skin, but you need

to know what you are going after to select the herb.  One of my standard

drawing mixtures is to take green clay or bentonite and to add echinacea

extract- I use a low alcohol extract because I've learned that

water-soluble constituents are more important for topical use.  I use it

for spider bites and the like.



Clay can also be used with yarrow extract or infusion, EOs of lavender or

dilute rosemary.  Or water, of course. 



Do you have localized deposits of heavy metal (and tell us how this

manifests itself if you do)?  Fresh cilantro taken internally will

chelate lead.  I know of no research or clinical experience on topical

use, but I might try adding cilantro extract to clay, or simply mashing

up fresh cilantro to make a poultice.  Might be a bit difficult to get

enough for a whole body cleanse and it is probably better to take it

internally.



You have (and need) a bacterial matrix on your skin which protects you. 

It affects what you take in and what you excrete, regulates Vitamin D

production and should not be needlessly disrupted.  Even excessive

poulticing, if it disrupts pH can be a problem, although herbal poultices

usually help more than they hurt.



Candida and parasites are probably better dealt with by altering the

terrain- diet, herbs if you need them, etc.  Get a decent diagnosis

first.  Although there are parasites and parasite problems, much of the

antiparasite hoopla seems to me based on the misunderstanding of what

humans are- walking colonies and symbiotic associations of micro and

macrorganisms in a human superstructure that depends upon the smaller

organisms for digestion, cell transport and the like.  We need to care

for the ecology of our symbionts rather than to indiscriminately poison

or zap them.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 04:08:18 -0600 rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net>:

>

>Anyone have suggestions for herbs or herbal combinations (powders,

>salves, oils, poultices, etc.) that help draw toxins out through the

>skin? I'm thinking of heavy metal buildups that cause skin sores, and

>possibly microbes, parasites, fungus, candida, and so on.

>

>Many thanks for suggestions. Randy

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE:  herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: diana.rae@autodesk.com

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 13:17:43 -0800 

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> I don't know about through the skin but supposedly grape seed extract acts

> as a chelator for removing heavy metals from your system.

> 

> :D





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Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:29:30 -0500

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Would that include mercury? Anybody know of a herb that would counteract the

effects of dental mercury?





-----Original Message-----

From: diana.rae@autodesk.com <diana.rae@autodesk.com>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 4:19 PM

Subject: RE: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin





>To herb@MyList.net from diana.rae@autodesk.com:

>

>> I don't know about through the skin but supposedly grape seed extract

acts

>> as a chelator for removing heavy metals from your system.

>>

>> :D

>







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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 16:09:10 -0600 

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To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:



Would eating a lot of grapes, including chewing up the seeds, have the

same effect as taking grape seed extract?



-----Original Message-----

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Of Lee Hunter

Sent:	Tuesday, December 01, 1998 3:30 PM

To:	herb@MyList.net

Subject:	Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin



To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



Would that include mercury? Anybody know of a herb that would counteract

the

effects of dental mercury?





-----Original Message-----

From: diana.rae@autodesk.com <diana.rae@autodesk.com>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Tuesday, December 01, 1998 4:19 PM

Subject: RE: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin





>To herb@MyList.net from diana.rae@autodesk.com:

>

>> I don't know about through the skin but supposedly grape seed extract

acts

>> as a chelator for removing heavy metals from your system.

>>

>> :D

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 22:13:57 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



<<Would eating a lot of grapes, including chewing up the seeds, have the

<<same effect as taking grape seed extract?



It is very good to eat the grapes, if sugar or cooling energetics are not

an issue, while chewing up the seeds.  The seeds will pass through if not

chewed however.  It is difficult to quantify how equivalent the two forms

are.  Sometimes a much smaller amount of an herb in real food form does

more than a higher quantity of refined extract.



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: awilloby@enternet.co.nz

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:19:21 -0800

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Hi all



> <<Would eating a lot of grapes, including chewing up the seeds, have the

> <<same effect as taking grape seed extract?

> 

> It is very good to eat the grapes, if sugar or cooling energetics are not

> an issue, while chewing up the seeds.  The seeds will pass through if not

> chewed however.  It is difficult to quantify how equivalent the two forms

> are.  Sometimes a much smaller amount of an herb in real food form does

> more than a higher quantity of refined extract.



I found some grape seed oil in a new supermarket yesterday.  

Would this oil have similar properties to the extract and to the 

grape seeds do you think?



Alan

Alan Willoughby

PO Box 296, Tauranga, New Zealand

Phone/fax 64 7 5443087





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:29:43 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



>I found some grape seed oil in a new supermarket yesterday.  

>Would this oil have similar properties to the extract and to the 

>grape seeds do you think?



I don't know whether the antioxidants survive the refining process.  All

commercial grape seed oil is quite refined.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: "Donna C. Magee" <kuanyin@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 00:09:58 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Donna C. Magee" <kuanyin@worldnet.att.net>:



I use a Detox bath for drawing stuff out of the body. This formula is used a

lot in chemo after the treatment. My formula is  mixing equal amounts of

epsom salts, sea salt and  baking soda together I also grind up oatmeal and

add that in equal amounts and the essential oil of my choice.I use half to a

full cup in a full tub of water as hot as you can stand and soak for at

least 30 minuts. The water may turn gray depending on whats in your system.

Donna







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:40:48 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> It is very good to eat the grapes, if sugar or cooling energetics are not

> an issue, while chewing up the seeds.  The seeds will pass through if not

> chewed however. 



There is a school of thought that avoids almond skins, tomato skins, unchewed

seeds, and other sorts of plant fiber that -might- get caught in the bowel,

especially if someone harbors digestive disturbances that -might- mean they

have diverticuli or other variances from a perfect bowel.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: diana.rae@autodesk.com

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:18:42 -0800 

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To herb@MyList.net from diana.rae@autodesk.com:



Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin



> Would eating a lot of grapes, including chewing up the 

> seeds, have the same effect as taking grape seed 

> extract?



You'd probably have to eat a lot - consider also that unless you eat organic

grapes you're probably ingesting tons of metal-laden pesticides, since

grapes are among the most heavily sprayed of all fruits and that poison also

washes into the soil where the grapes grow.  Also, some people have a hard

time digesting seeds.  









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:24:55 -0800

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On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 10:44:28 -0500 creationsgarden@juno.com wrote:



>Although there are parasites and parasite problems, much of the

>antiparasite hoopla seems to me based on the misunderstanding of what

>humans are- walking colonies and symbiotic associations of micro and

>macrorganisms in a human superstructure that depends upon the smaller

>organisms for digestion, cell transport and the like.  We need to care

>for the ecology of our symbionts rather than to indiscriminately poison

>or zap them.



Karen, VERY WELL put! I couldn't have said this better myself. You're

right, there's a PHENOMENAL misunderstanding surrounding the microbial

world and its place in our very existence. It's not just humans that are

part of this symbiotic superstructure, but ALL living things. In the human

realm though, I find it amazing if not appalling how billions are spent

figuring out ways of *exterminating* bacteria viewed to be as harmful, when

in the broad scope, what happens, is that much of the most essential and

beneficial cellular life is wiped out in the process along with the

invasive.



I wish human beings, and the medical/scientific community in general would

grasp onto the concept of dedicated, relentless prevention. That is, rather

than the ceaseless pursuit of renovating human physiology long after the

damage has been perpetrated, or at least put in motion.



This brings up an important point that could be touchy here. And that is,

even though herbs play a very important role in the scheme of health and

well being, dependency on them as well as any other allopathic remedy could

be greatly reduced if people understood and practiced prevention. Micro

life has a much greater role as a health assistant than is presently

comprehended. And living CLEAN and in harmony with the micro and macro

organisms does much more for our optimal functioning, than all the

antiobiotics and toxins in the world.





In health and harmony,



John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>









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Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:20:24 -0800

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> You'd probably have to eat a lot - consider also that unless you eat organic

> grapes you're probably ingesting tons of metal-laden pesticides, since

> grapes are among the most heavily sprayed of all fruits and that poison also

> washes into the soil where the grapes grow.  Also, some people have a hard

> time digesting seeds.  



Also worth noting that strawberries are the most heavily sprayed, making

strawberry jam, often the cheapest jam, not so much of a deal.



Paul





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Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: Magda2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:14:19 EST

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In a message dated 12/1/98 10:04:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

creationsgarden@juno.com writes:



<< Poultices are great for drawing stuff out through the skin, but you need

 to know what you are going after to select the herb.   >>

Hi Karen,

       My mom ( age 69) has a reoccurring infection in her finger. The docs

have had her on antibiotics on 2 different occassions.  The finger continues

to swell/ xrays found nothing. She feels that the infection may have happened

after she planted some tulip bulbs over a month ago...............digging in

the dirt, she feels she may have gotten a sliver or minute piece of metal in

her skin.  She is frustrated and may have to go to a specialist.  Is there

anything she could try , a poultice of some sorts to draw hopefully something

out?   I have read that cabbage may work............   Thanks.

Marianne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 23:24:37 -0500

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Cabbage may work well.  Or try cabbage juice in clay.  If it is swollen,

echinacea extract mixed with clay.  Cover with a cabbage leaf to keep

moist, and let it draw.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.                  

                   Don't close your heart so tightly against life's pain

that you shut out life's blessings.



On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 06:14:19 EST Magda2@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:

>

>In a message dated 12/1/98 10:04:45 PM Eastern Standard Time,

>creationsgarden@juno.com writes:

>

><< Poultices are great for drawing stuff out through the skin, but you 

>need

> to know what you are going after to select the herb.   >>

>Hi Karen,

>       My mom ( age 69) has a reoccurring infection in her finger. The 

>docs

>have had her on antibiotics on 2 different occassions.  The finger 

>continues

>to swell/ xrays found nothing. She feels that the infection may have 

>happened

>after she planted some tulip bulbs over a month 

>ago...............digging in

>the dirt, she feels she may have gotten a sliver or minute piece of 

>metal in

>her skin.  She is frustrated and may have to go to a specialist.  Is 

>there

>anything she could try , a poultice of some sorts to draw hopefully 

>something

>out?   I have read that cabbage may work............   Thanks.

>Marianne

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herbs that draw toxins out through the skin

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:24:25 -0800

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> I don't know whether the antioxidants survive the refining process.  All

> commercial grape seed oil is quite refined.



It isn't really 'refining,' it is extraction. Using mechanical presses, the

mash and oil reaches pretty high temperatures. As well, you have to wonder if

the antioxidants are getting left behind, since they are usually long

molecules. On the other hand, solvents are often used for extraction, and they

might extract the antioxidants. Another issue is that the antioxidants may be

'used up' protecting the oil from the extraction process.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: hair growth

From: ranchjp@dsmnet.com (Jerry Ranch)

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 03:09:44 -0700 (MST)

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What herbs or herbals might stimulate hair growth.  And I'm not referring to

growth of new hair on say, a bald spot, but growth and elongation of existing

hair.



Jerry







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: hair growth

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 11:41:36 -0800

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> What herbs or herbals might stimulate hair growth.  And I'm not referring to

> growth of new hair on say, a bald spot, but growth and elongation of

> existing hair.

> 

> Jerry



A little herb called protein might help. Otherwise, dry hair suggests dry

blood, short hair suggests deficient kidney essence, thinning hair suggests

heat, and in any case, existing hair suggests remaining youth.  :-)



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: hair growth

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 10:53:11 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



According to the Yoga of Herbs, amalaki stimulates hair growth.





-----Original Message-----

From: p_iannone@lamg.com <p_iannone@lamg.com>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 2:46 PM

Subject: Re: hair growth





>To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

>

>> What herbs or herbals might stimulate hair growth.  And I'm not referring

to

>> growth of new hair on say, a bald spot, but growth and elongation of

>> existing hair.

>>

>> Jerry

>

>A little herb called protein might help. Otherwise, dry hair suggests dry

>blood, short hair suggests deficient kidney essence, thinning hair suggests

>heat, and in any case, existing hair suggests remaining youth.  :-)

>

>Paul

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bladder Infections

From: Magda2@aol.com

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:53:29 EST

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In a message dated 11/30/98 3:11:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net writes:



<< If you use cranberry juice, you should look for the

 kind with NO ADDED SUGAR.  Otherwise, it won't help all that much.  Lemon in

 tea can be helpful (no sugar or honey). >>



I have tried dried cranberries w/ sucess....has anyone else?  Was also

thinking one could make a tea w/ the dried craberries also..........like you

would w/ rose hips.  Cranberries are plentiful this time of year.......may

need to get out the dehydrator and dry up some cranberries.

Marianne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bladder Infections

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 13:45:33 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 1 Dec 1998 06:53:29 EST, Magda2@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>I have tried dried cranberries w/ success....has anyone else?  



Yes. We have Vaccinium oxycoccos and V. microcarpum, both giving very sour

cranberries. They don't dry well. I've had better luck making them into fruit

leather (how-to on my site under neat stuff). 



>Was also

>thinking one could make a tea w/ the dried craberries also..........like you

>would w/ rose hips.  Cranberries are plentiful this time of year.......may

>need to get out the dehydrator and dry up some cranberries.



It's far easier to freeze them or juice them. And no, you don't have to make a

tea out of the dried cranberries, just eat them. Ditto for frozen berries.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bladder Infections

From: natural <natural@wt.net>

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 08:38:21 -0600

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Henriette Kress wrote:



> Yes. We have Vaccinium oxycoccos and V. microcarpum, both giving very sour

> cranberries. They don't dry well. I've had better luck making them into fruit

> leather (how-to on my site under neat stuff).



Henrietta you are right; tried dehydrating cranberries last year; almost

impossible; finally had to punch holes into each little cranberry to dry them.

Too much trouble.  Never thought of fruit leather with cranberries.  Will check

your site for instructions.



> It's far easier to freeze them or juice them. And no, you don't have to make a

> tea out of the dried cranberries, just eat them. Ditto for frozen berries.



Cranberries don't grow in my part of Texas; however the fresh are in all the

stores; I usually purchase a dozen pounds or so and just freeze them for future

use.  You gave me idea; why couldn't I juice the berries, store in small glass

bottles and freeze.



Thanks,



Rosie











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Horse Chestnut and Yellow Flag

From: natural <natural@wt.net>

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 08:33:03 -0600

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I need some help please.



A friend in Canada sent me a pound of horse chestnuts.  I would like to

prepare a salve with this for varicose veins. I've purchased excellent

salves with horse chestnuts for same but never prepared my own.   Could

someone please tell me how to make this salve and any other uses for these

nuts.



Also, have a friend who grows yellow flag (iris pseudacorus) who wants to

donate some to a worthy cause (me). I've never used this plant and just

looked in Grieve's for reference.  If anyone is has used yellow flag I

would greatly appreciate some suggestions of its medicinal uses.



Many thanks,



Rosie

natural@wt.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Horse Chestnut and Yellow Flag

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 16:22:27 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 01 Dec 1998 08:33:03 -0600, natural <natural@wt.net> wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>A friend in Canada sent me a pound of horse chestnuts.  I would like to

>prepare a salve with this for varicose veins. I've purchased excellent

>salves with horse chestnuts for same but never prepared my own.   Could

>someone please tell me how to make this salve and any other uses for these

>nuts.



You're going to have some fun.



First, you don't use the seeds for salve, you use the leaves. Why? They've got

simpler compounds, easier to get out into an oil, than the seeds. This is, by

the way, a rule of thumb for all plants where you'd use storage parts (root or

seed) and where you could also use leaf. You can eg. use the leaf of Mahonia for

salves, if it's got yellow in its veins. FAR more bioavailable than the root.



Back to those horse chestnut leaves: lucky for you it won't matter if you get

them dried or fresh - but for salve you dry them. Do the usual, 1 part (by

weight, eg. 100 g) dried leaves, crushed up, to 7 parts (by volume, eg. 7 dl) of

a good cooking oil (I like olive oil, myself), pour both into a glass jar, put

tight-fitting lid on top, let sit for 4-6 weeks, strain.

To make a salve out of this you use 5 parts (by volume, eg. 5 dl) of the oil to

1 part (by weight, eg. 100 g) of beeswax. Melt wax in oil in double boiler,

stirring occasionally, pour into salve jars, label, let cool, put lids on.



Second, you don't use dried whole ripe horse chestnuts, you pick them while

green and slice them hull (that green spiny stuff) and all. It's next to

impossible to reduce whole dried horse chestnuts to bits and pieces... use the

ones you have for decoration and ask for dried sliced ones - next year. If

they're ripe this year you won't have much luck getting those sliced, either,

which is -why- you pick 'em green.



>Also, have a friend who grows yellow flag (iris pseudacorus) who wants to

>donate some to a worthy cause (me). I've never used this plant and just

>looked in Grieve's for reference.  If anyone is has used yellow flag I

>would greatly appreciate some suggestions of its medicinal uses.



It grows in great abundance on most any lake I care to visit in Finland; it's

-not- a substitute for blue flag, as far as I've been able to find out. It

-might- be a substitute for orris root (which is NOT medicinal), but I haven't

tested that myself. Shrug - it's pretty. And a weed, so if she wants do donate

it, why not donate it to the compost?



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Horse Chestnut and Yellow Flag

From: natural <natural@wt.net>

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:21:54 -0600

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Henrietta:



Thanks for responding and your helpful input as always.    Seems only thing I can do

with the horsechestnut is put into a bowl and use for Fall/Winter decoration and

lovingly decline the offer for the yellow flag.   sigh!



Rosie





>

> Second, you don't use dried whole ripe horse chestnuts, you pick them while

> green and slice them hull (that green spiny stuff) and all. It's next to

> impossible to reduce whole dried horse chestnuts to bits and pieces... use the

> ones you have for decoration and ask for dried sliced ones - next year. If

> they're ripe this year you won't have much luck getting those sliced, either,

> which is -why- you pick 'em green.

>

> It grows in great abundance on most any lake I care to visit in Finland; it's

> -not- a substitute for blue flag, as far as I've been able to find out. It

> -might- be a substitute for orris root (which is NOT medicinal), but I haven't

> tested that myself. Shrug - it's pretty. And a weed, so if she wants do donate

> it, why not donate it to the compost?

>

> Henriette

>







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Bladder Infections/cranberries

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Tue, 1 Dec 1998 09:56:18 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



I have a cranberry bog out in my back woods, and some years pick gallons of

the ripe red berries...V. oxycoccos and V. macrocarpon, I believe...

I have found that just keeping them fresh and dry (to the touch, not dried)

in a cool dry cellar in 5 gallon buckets(the fridge, when I had one, was too

damp), was sufficient to keep them almost a year..

I never bothered to freeze or other wise preserve them, though my aunt boils

them down to make an extract.



This was a terrible year for cranberries in Northern Massachusetts,

though...the bog was still too full of water when the main flowering season

in late June, early July, came along....and the few that flowered and

fruited later, had no rain, and no time to ripen up.



Joanie









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: coa-gen@worldnet.att.net

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:25:25 -0000

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> From: coa-gen@worldnet.att.net

> To: herb@MyList

> Subject: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

> Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 9:23 AM

> 

> Do Juniper trees grow from berries or is there a seed somewhere else on

the

> tree?  I found a couple Juniper trees growing where I'm sure they have

been

> sprayed with chemicals, and was wondering if there's someway I could grow

a

> couple new ones from them.  Any help would be appreciated!  Jeri Williams

> 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:40:26 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:25:25 -0000, coa-gen@worldnet.att.net wrote to

<herb@MyList.net>:



>> Do Juniper trees grow from berries or is there a seed somewhere else on the

>> tree?  I found a couple Juniper trees growing where I'm sure they have been

>> sprayed with chemicals, and was wondering if there's someway I could grow a

>> couple new ones from them.  Any help would be appreciated!  



Try to open one of those berries. See? Seeds. Case solved.



Henriette



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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: "Boyer, Rachael" <rboyer@crystal.cirrus.com>

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:05:27 -0600 

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To herb@MyList.net from "Boyer, Rachael" <rboyer@crystal.cirrus.com>:



Could you tell me what Juniper Trees look like?  We have something here in

Texas that is referd to as Cedar or Juniper Trees not sure if either name is

correct, but if this is the tree you are talking about don't know why you

would want them :) !



Rachael Boyer

3121

"Two breeding

cats and their offspring will generate 420,000 cats in just six years. 

Two breeding dogs with all their offspring will produce 67,000 dogs in

seven years."  Please spay your pet!

 

 "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his

life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last

beat of

his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion"

         Unknown





> -----Original Message-----

> From:	HeK@hetta.pp.fi [SMTP:HeK@hetta.pp.fi]

> Sent:	Wednesday, December 02, 1998 10:40 AM

> To:	herb@MyList.net

> Subject:	Re: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

> 

> On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:25:25 -0000, coa-gen@worldnet.att.net wrote to

> <herb@MyList.net>:

> 

> >> Do Juniper trees grow from berries or is there a seed somewhere else on

> the

> >> tree?  I found a couple Juniper trees growing where I'm sure they have

> been

> >> sprayed with chemicals, and was wondering if there's someway I could

> grow a

> >> couple new ones from them.  Any help would be appreciated!  

> 

> Try to open one of those berries. See? Seeds. Case solved.

> 

> Henriette

> 

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: metalab.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: "Boyer, Rachael" <rboyer@crystal.cirrus.com>, herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:29:06 EETDST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>:



> From:           "Boyer, Rachael" <rboyer@crystal.cirrus.com>

> To:             "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

> Subject:        RE: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

> Date sent:      Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:05:27 -0600 

> Send reply to:  herb@MyList.net



> To herb@MyList.net from "Boyer, Rachael" <rboyer@crystal.cirrus.com>:

> 

> Could you tell me what Juniper Trees look like?  We have something here in

> Texas that is referd to as Cedar or Juniper Trees not sure if either name is

> correct, but if this is the tree you are talking about don't know why you

> would want them :) !

> 

> Rachael Boyer

> 3121 



You can not have Common Juniper, Juniperus communis, in nature 

in Texas. It is growing worldwide in the north but extends south only 

to Rocky Mountains and to Appalachians, it is common in North-USA and 

Canada. Instead you have Juniperus virginiana which is called Pencil 

cedar, Eastern red cedar and Virginian juniper. I hope you mean this 

tree. Then I would have one answer why to grow it: it has been 

exploited to make pencils and has been widely grown even in South-

Germany for that purpose.  Does it not look like Christmas tree?? :)

But if your tree is some other Cedar (Cedrus, Thuja) or Cypress 

(Cupressus, Chamaecyparis, Taxodium) I hope someone else has the 

answer.

Antti Hovi

 



















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To: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress), herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 19:07:48 EETDST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>:



> From:           HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

> To:             herb@MyList.net

> Subject:        Re: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

> Date sent:      Wed, 02 Dec 1998 16:40:26 GMT

> Organization:   ...ei meill' oo...

> Send reply to:  herb@MyList.net



> To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

> 

> On Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:25:25 -0000, coa-gen@worldnet.att.net wrote to

> <herb@MyList.net>:

> 

> >> Do Juniper trees grow from berries or is there a seed somewhere else on the

> >> tree?  I found a couple Juniper trees growing where I'm sure they have been

> >> sprayed with chemicals, and was wondering if there's someway I could grow a

> >> couple new ones from them.  Any help would be appreciated!  

> 

> Try to open one of those berries. See? Seeds. Case solved.

> 

> Henriette

> 

> --

> Henriette Kress             HeK@hetta.pp.fi            Helsinki, Finland

> http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: metalab.unc.edu or sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>       /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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I would like to add, that Henriette solved the case quickly, but if 

you really try to grow Juniper from the berries/seeds (they are 

actually cones), you have a long way to go. First the berries must 

have a cold treatment=stratification in moist sand in cellar or stay 1-

2 years in soil during winter. Even then hard seed shell might 

prevent formation of seedlings. Juniper does not grow fast. When it 

finally flowers to produce a new generation of berries (it happens 

more quickly in open place), you still have to wait almost  3 years, 

before the raw green berries have turned to ripe blue(-black) berries.

  If you instead want to remove some smaller Juniper plant to a 

better place, it is not much easier! You have to try to find similar 

soil, sunshine, moisture etc conditions in the new place. Very 

important is to remember to mark the direction of the sun so Juniper 

gets the sunshine from the same direction in the new place to the 

same twigs. 

This was NOT meant to discourage you! :) 

Perhaps you can first find a place where you know junipers are not 

sprayed with herbicides. 

I have had other problem with junipers: there were hundreds of them 

in forests, but all berries were green! 

So I had to wait 1-2 years. I had thought this could not happen, that 

there should always be blue berries somewhere and green somewhere.

Antti Hovi





















> 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: Rashid Bacor <rbacor@intnet.mu>

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:51:16 +0400

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To herb@MyList.net from Rashid Bacor <rbacor@intnet.mu>:



Antti,



Greetings to you.



Could the refrigerator at +4 degrees Celsuis or at -20 degrees Celsuis be used for

stratification?



Regards



Rashid Bacor

Mauritius



Antti Hovi wrote:



>  First the berries must have a cold treatment=stratification in moist sand in

> cellar or stay 1-2 years in soil during winter.



> Antti Hovi

>













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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: "Boyer, Rachael" <rboyer@crystal.cirrus.com>

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:37:26 -0600 

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To herb@MyList.net from "Boyer, Rachael" <rboyer@crystal.cirrus.com>:



Yea it kind  of looks like a Christmas tree, but the "leaves" and branches

grow vertical not horizontal like most trees.  Its bark peels off very easy

in strings, it has purple blue berries and in the fall they turn a yellow

color from all the pollen in them.  They are so ugly, they die off at the

bottom but the branches don't fall, so it will look like a tree that is half

dead on bottom but quite alive on top.  They are also the main reason for

allergies here in Austin.  I however have never heard of anyone having any

good use for them and are normally just called scrub brush and cleared off

the land.  I have also never heard of anyone making pencils out of any of

the trees we have here.  Mainly all we have are Live oak and these cedar

things.



Rachael Boyer

3121

"Two breeding

cats and their offspring will generate 420,000 cats in just six years. 

Two breeding dogs with all their offspring will produce 67,000 dogs in

seven years."  Please spay your pet!

 

 "He is your friend, your partner, your defender, your dog. You are his

life, his love, his leader. He will be yours, faithful and true, to the last

beat of

his heart. You owe it to him to be worthy of such devotion"

         Unknown





> -----Original Message-----

> From:	Antti Hovi [SMTP:AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi]

> Sent:	Thursday, December 03, 1998 12:29 PM

> To:	Boyer, Rachael; herb@MyList.net

> Subject:	RE: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>:

> 

> > From:           "Boyer, Rachael" <rboyer@crystal.cirrus.com>

> > To:             "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

> > Subject:        RE: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

> > Date sent:      Wed, 2 Dec 1998 12:05:27 -0600 

> > Send reply to:  herb@MyList.net

> 

> > To herb@MyList.net from "Boyer, Rachael" <rboyer@crystal.cirrus.com>:

> > 

> > Could you tell me what Juniper Trees look like?  We have something here

> in

> > Texas that is referd to as Cedar or Juniper Trees not sure if either

> name is

> > correct, but if this is the tree you are talking about don't know why

> you

> > would want them :) !

> > 

> > Rachael Boyer

> > 3121 

> 

> You can not have Common Juniper, Juniperus communis, in nature 

> in Texas. It is growing worldwide in the north but extends south only 

> to Rocky Mountains and to Appalachians, it is common in North-USA and 

> Canada. Instead you have Juniperus virginiana which is called Pencil 

> cedar, Eastern red cedar and Virginian juniper. I hope you mean this 

> tree. Then I would have one answer why to grow it: it has been 

> exploited to make pencils and has been widely grown even in South-

> Germany for that purpose.  Does it not look like Christmas tree?? :)

> But if your tree is some other Cedar (Cedrus, Thuja) or Cypress 

> (Cupressus, Chamaecyparis, Taxodium) I hope someone else has the 

> answer.

> Antti Hovi

>  

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 





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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>

Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:48:02 -0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>:



The 'whatever they have' is called a gizzard.  Depending on the bird, the 

gizzard can be extremely powerful. In conjunction with little stones & 

pebbles the bird has eaten (and which remain in the gizzard)  the gizzard 

can crush the strongest seed pods.



There are seeds which *require* the digestion of a bird in order to sprout. 

 Its not just the scarification of the hull, but the internal warmth of the 

bird along with the specific pH of the animal's system. Very complex and 

wonderous stuff. I'm sure being "planted" with that extra bit of nitrogen 

in the guano is beneficial too, but from what I recall of my studies, its 

not the guano that's important, but the digestive process.



- Tera.



To herb@MyList.net from "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>:



<snip>

When birds eat them and they go trough their stomach (or whatever

they have), the seeds are intact, but perhaps will grow to seedlings

better in these bird droppings.

Antti Hovi









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To: Rashid Bacor <rbacor@intnet.mu>, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>

Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 13:42:35 EETDST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>:



> Date sent:      Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:51:16 +0400

> From:           Rashid Bacor <rbacor@intnet.mu>

> Organization:   --

> To:             herb@MyList.net

> Subject:        Re: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

> Send reply to:  herb@MyList.net



> To herb@MyList.net from Rashid Bacor <rbacor@intnet.mu>:

> 

> Antti,

> 

> Greetings to you.

> 

> Could the refrigerator at +4 degrees Celsuis or at -20 degrees Celsuis be used for

> stratification?

> 

> Regards

> 

> Rashid Bacor

> Mauritius

Yes, the refrigerator at +4 degrees Celsius will do the same trick 

(do not use -20 C freezer). Sometimes there are needed even extra 

tricks to soften the hard seed walls of juniper seeds, like for many 

other hard seeds. 

When birds eat them and they go trough their stomach (or whatever 

they have), the seeds are intact, but perhaps will grow to seedlings 

better in these bird droppings.   

Antti Hovi











> 

> Antti Hovi wrote:

> 

> >  First the berries must have a cold treatment=stratification in moist sand in

> > cellar or stay 1-2 years in soil during winter.

> 

> > Antti Hovi

> >

> 

> 

> 

> 

> 





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To: Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>, herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 16:13:52 EETDST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>:



> From:           Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>

> To:             "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

> Subject:        RE: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

> Date sent:      Sat, 5 Dec 1998 10:48:02 -0000

> Send reply to:  herb@MyList.net



> To herb@MyList.net from Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>:

> 

> The 'whatever they have' is called a gizzard.  Depending on the bird, the 

> gizzard can be extremely powerful. In conjunction with little stones & 

> pebbles the bird has eaten (and which remain in the gizzard)  the gizzard 

> can crush the strongest seed pods.

> 

> There are seeds which *require* the digestion of a bird in order to sprout. 

>  Its not just the scarification of the hull, but the internal warmth of the 

> bird along with the specific pH of the animal's system. Very complex and 

> wonderous stuff. I'm sure being "planted" with that extra bit of nitrogen 

> in the guano is beneficial too, but from what I recall of my studies, its 

> not the guano that's important, but the digestive process.

> 

> - Tera.

Thank you for clarification. Your answer reminded me, that also with 

Juniper seeds it would be good idea to give them first a "warmth 

stratification", 1.5-2 months in moist sand in room temperature (+20 

Celsius) and after that previously mentioned cold treatment in +4+5 

Celsius. In nature seed gets it during winter but even in refrigerator 

or cellar 3 months is recommended (at least 1.5 months). Sand is 

needed because otherwise seeds could get moldy.   

I think seed "treatment" in birds gizzards (correct?) would be a nice 

topic for research, I mean how many % of seeds will grow to seedlings 

with and without the help of birds and how nicely they grow.

Antti Hovi

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>:

> 

> <snip>

> When birds eat them and they go trough their stomach (or whatever

> they have), the seeds are intact, but perhaps will grow to seedlings

> better in these bird droppings.

> Antti Hovi

> 

> 

> 





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Juniper Tree--how to plant

From: coa-gen@worldnet.att.net

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 14:13:25 -0000

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To herb@MyList.net from coa-gen@worldnet.att.net:



I've never seen a Juniper Tree and no one told me that's what these were

called but they look like a perfectly shaped Christmas tree with little

blue/purple berries on them that look like some juniper berries I've bought

recently.  Jeri Williams







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 07:17:53 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:





-----Original Message-----

From: coa-gen@worldnet.att.net <coa-gen@worldnet.att.net>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 6:23 AM

Subject: Fw: Juniper berry trees--how to plant





>To herb@MyList.net from coa-gen@worldnet.att.net:

>

>

>

>----------

>> From: coa-gen@worldnet.att.net

>> To: herb@MyList

>> Subject: Juniper berry trees--how to plant

>> Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 9:23 AM

>>

>> Do Juniper trees grow from berries or is there a seed somewhere else on

>the

>> tree?  I found a couple Juniper trees growing where I'm sure they have

>been

>> sprayed with chemicals, and was wondering if there's someway I could grow

>a

>> couple new ones from them.  Any help would be appreciated!  Jeri Williams

>>

What plant exactly are we talking about.  Is this a cyprus type called

Juniper or is it actually a Juniper or Cedar?  Juniper is a common name for

several plants.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Asparagus Fern

From: "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 09:43:32 -0700 (MST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Antti Hovi" <AHOVI@latkk.lpt.fi>:



>To herb@MyList.net from coa-gen@worldnet.att.net:

> 

>Would Asparagus densiflorus 'Sprengeri' be the same as Prickly Asparagus or 

>Sperage in "Culpeppers Complete Herbal"?  I can't find anything close to it

>in my other herbals.  If so, or if, not does anyone know much about it?

>what it can be used for?---if it's not medicinal just let me know! 



Asparagus densiflorus 'Sprengeri' is an indoor plant and is used also by

florists for bouquettes as well as more "feather-like" A. plumosus/setaceus or

Asparagus Fern. A. densiflorus comes from South-Africa and likes cool room

temperatures during winter. A. plumosus/setaceus is very prickly, and according

to Martinez has been used somewhere for kidney and lungs, but I do not know if

it has something to do with Culpepper s Prickly Asparagus?



Antti Hovi







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bladder infections & Coffee?

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:33:52 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Paul mentioned that not drinking coffee could aid in a decrease of bladder

> infections.  I usually drink one cup of decaf 3-4 times a

> week............so I was wondering if it's coffee in general or just the

> caffeine?

> BTW--I stay away from most caffeinated beverages.  Caffeine doesn't like me.



Coffee in its many forms. Just avoiding caffeine isn't enough.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Tamoxifen side effects..

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 10:39:27 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> fierce burning sensation in groin is heat in chinese medicine



That should be 'fire,' not heat. They have different characteristics.

 

> sclerotic skin disorders are treated with blood movers



Among other things. Don't try moving the blood on someone with a yin deficiency

skin disorder, for instance.



> astragalus can easily worsen skin diseases with a heat component,



No, that is not true. Astragalus is quite mild, in terms of temperature. But

the point is: do you have reason to use it? It is not the first herb to be

thought of for most skin conditions, not at all.



The rest of the post listed some good herbs, but I'm afraid that without a

formula plan, you really can't apply Chinese healing with the usual guarantee

of a balanced, mild therapy.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: stomach flu/virus gastrointestinal something or other

From: seagul1@voicenet.com

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 15:14:12 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from seagul1@voicenet.com:



H*lp!

Anyone have any good remedies for getting over this nasty stomach virus?

Its been three days and I'm still having lots of abdominal pain, gas and

not eating much.   YEs, I'm certain that its a virus and I'm drinking lots

of liquid.

any helpful hints?

Terri







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: stomach flu/virus gastrointestinal something or other

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 13:40:54 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:







>To herb@MyList.net from seagul1@voicenet.com:

>

>H*lp!

>Anyone have any good remedies for getting over this nasty stomach virus?

>Its been three days and I'm still having lots of abdominal pain, gas and

>not eating much.   YEs, I'm certain that its a virus and I'm drinking lots

>of liquid.

>any helpful hints?

>Terri

>

>

Boneset, Eupatorium perf.   It's great for those flu type viruses.  It can

settle a stomach, cool the liver and help hasten healing.  You might add a

little fennel for taste and the added benefit of aleviating gas.  Peppermint

can help the bitterness of the herb as well as add to its benefits.  Drink

it hot.  Capsules are useless when your stomach is bothered.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: stomach flu/virus gastrointestinal something or other

From: jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org (Jill F. Becker)

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 98 10:13:02 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org (Jill F. Becker):





Anita, this post is a couple of weeks old, but I meant to followup.

You mention boneset, but used how?



Thanks.



Jill

 

> >To herb@MyList.net from seagul1@voicenet.com:

> >

> >H*lp!

> >Anyone have any good remedies for getting over this nasty stomach virus?

> >Its been three days and I'm still having lots of abdominal pain, gas and

> >not eating much.   YEs, I'm certain that its a virus and I'm drinking lots

> >of liquid.

> >any helpful hints?

> >Terri

> >

> >

> Boneset, Eupatorium perf.   It's great for those flu type viruses.  It can

> settle a stomach, cool the liver and help hasten healing.  You might add a

> little fennel for taste and the added benefit of aleviating gas.  Peppermint

> can help the bitterness of the herb as well as add to its benefits.  Drink

> it hot.  Capsules are useless when your stomach is bothered.

> 

> 







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: stomach flu/virus gastrointestinal something or other

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:09:38 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:





-----Original Message-----

From: Jill F. Becker <jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Monday, December 07, 1998 6:10 AM

Subject: Re: stomach flu/virus gastrointestinal something or other





>To herb@MyList.net from jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org (Jill F. Becker):

>

>

>Anita, this post is a couple of weeks old, but I meant to followup.

>You mention boneset, but used how?

>

>Thanks.

>

>Jill

>

>> >To herb@MyList.net from seagul1@voicenet.com:

>> >

>> >H*lp!

>> >Anyone have any good remedies for getting over this nasty stomach virus?

>> >Its been three days and I'm still having lots of abdominal pain, gas and

>> >not eating much.   YEs, I'm certain that its a virus and I'm drinking

lots

>> >of liquid.

>> >any helpful hints?

>> >Terri

>> >

>> >

>> Boneset, Eupatorium perf.   It's great for those flu type viruses.  It

can

>> settle a stomach, cool the liver and help hasten healing.  You might add

a

>> little fennel for taste and the added benefit of aleviating gas.

Peppermint

>> can help the bitterness of the herb as well as add to its benefits.

Drink

>> it hot.  Capsules are useless when your stomach is bothered.

>>

>>

>

Use 1 rounded tsp boneset powder per cup hot water.  Let steep for 15 min

and drink.  You can add licorice root powder to make it more palatable, it's

somewhat bitter.  I have noticed that it seems less bitter the more you need

it.  It is very relaxing and you should follow that inclination with rest.

It will aid your sleep although it is not a sleep aid specifically.  It's a

wonderful healing herb and not used nearly enough.  Make sure you have a

dose every couple hours till healed.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Moxa stick

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@NETVISION.NET.IL>

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 22:40:50 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:



A testimonial to the use of Moxa:

In a conversation with an herbalist I know, I mentioned that I had been

intrigued by an article on the home use of Moxa which I had seen on Michael

Tierra's site . My friend then presented me with a Moxa stick. When my

daughter squashed a fingertip in a revolving shelf (Lazy Susan, they used to

be called), she almost fainted from the pain; I whipped out the Moxa stick

and held it as close as possible to the crushed finger, circling around the

area carefully. Within 15 minutes my daughter was free of pain. Her

fingernail did eventually fall off, to be replaced by new growth, at a

comfortable pace.



While cutting a salad not too long after, I clumsily sliced a square almost

one-half inch wide off a knuckle on my left hand (shpritzing gore all over

the immediate vicinity and making myself feel very peculiar indeed). This

happened on a Saturday; as a Sabbath observer I do not light a fire till

nightfall, and so disinfected, bandaged, and waited about 8 hours till using

the Moxa stick again. While applying the Moxa heat, I felt an emphatic rush

of blood and energy to the wound, which stopped bleeding altogether very

quickly. It healed over within a couple of days; the scar which formed is

small and flexible.  Using Moxa prevented a tedious trip to Emergency, having

stitches, and the formation of  hard scar tissue, I'm convinced.



Miriam Kresh

miriam_k@netvision.net.il







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Moxa stick

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Wed, 2 Dec 1998 20:57:32 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



The moxa stick is a new item to me.  My favorite herbals don't mention it.

Wd you please tell us what it is and how one uses it.

tia, AnitaL.





--



paf@connix.com









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Moxa stick

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:32:06 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



Moxa stick - a cylinder of tightly packed herbs (usually just mugwort)

wrapped in tissue paper - a bit like a cigar. Any Chinese herbalist will

have them.



You tear off the paper at one end and light it (blow out the flame) and hold

the glowing end close to certain acupuncture points. The smoke is pretty

powerful so you won't want to burn the whole stick in one session.



An acupuncturist I used to see would put a needle in me then cut off a slice

of the moxa stick and impale it on the blunt end of the needle and light it.



You can also use the stick for smudging.



Pramod





-----Original Message-----

From: paf@connix.com <paf@connix.com>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Wednesday, December 02, 1998 8:34 PM

Subject: Re: Moxa stick





>To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:

>

>The moxa stick is a new item to me.  My favorite herbals don't mention it.

>Wd you please tell us what it is and how one uses it.

>tia, AnitaL.

>

>

>--

>

>paf@connix.com

>

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: anemia

From: oct-moon@juno.com (October Moon)

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 17:47:13 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from oct-moon@juno.com (October Moon):



A friend of mine has pernicious anemia.

Her iron levels are low, due to lack of absorption through the illium. 

Her fingernails peel, pressure on her skn leaves a yellow white spot, her

skin tone is yellow.

The MD gives her (painful) iron injections.  Can any one offer advice?

Thanks.

~Nell~



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: anemia

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 19:20:14 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> The MD gives her (painful) iron injections.  Can any one offer

> advice? Thanks. ~Nell~



Get well-absorbed iron supplements from the health food store. That injectable

stuff isn't. Iron piccolinate is one such example. Don't forget to check her

diet for obvious flaws (like ice cream with meals, that sort of thing).



Danggui, Chinese Angelica, can increase iron absorption, which accounts no

doubt for some of its benefits in such cases.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Infused Arnica& SJW oils?

From: "Anthony Black" <ant.b@clear.net.nz>

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 12:30:37 +1300

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anthony Black" <ant.b@clear.net.nz>:



Dear All,



I have just been given some infused arnica & SJW oils. I'm new to all of

these things so am unsure of  how I can, or rather should, be using them. I

don't want to waste them by using incorrectly.



Many thanks for any help



Michelle









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Bladder infections & coffee

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:29:38 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



If all forms of coffee are bad for bladder infections, what about other caffeine

sources, such as black or green tea, yerba mat, cola and guarana?  By cola, I

refer to something made from the cola nuts, not the commercial soft drinks.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Bladder infections & coffee

From: diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 10:00:21 -0400

--------

To herb@MyList.net from diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>:



tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:

> 

> If all forms of coffee are bad for bladder infections, what about other caffeine

> sources, such as black or green tea, yerba mat, cola and guarana?  By cola, I

> refer to something made from the cola nuts, not the commercial soft drinks.



Personally, I have had UTI's before and found that most caffinated

drinks are really too diuretic (it's bad enough having to go every 20

minutes as it is). I usually take care of the problem with LOTS of water

and as much cranberry juice as my taste buds will handle.



-- 

           Diana Cascioli | Cattle die, kindred die,

        GW Graphic Design | Every man is mortal:

            raven@gwu.edu | But the good name never dies 

gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~raven | Of one who has done well





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:pernicious anemia

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 00:40:32 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to oct-moon@juno.com (October Moon):



MD gives painful iron injections for pernicious anemia, but what about 

vitamin B12?



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Moxa for breech babies

From: miriam kresh <miriam_k@NETVISION.NET.IL>

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 09:42:44 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from miriam kresh <miriam_k@netvision.net.il>:







Anita Hales wrote:



> .I just discovered another use for moxa.  When used in conjunction with a

> proper acupuncture point on the little toe, it can cause a baby to turn from

> breach to headfirst.



Yes, in my work as a doulah (labor coach) I have used accupressure on that point

to help turn a breech baby. Acupuncture is best, even just a sterile needle -

but using either a needle or a Moxa stick in a hospital setting would get me

blacklisted, I think. Moxa would be very good for home births, though. (Very

good for turning a breech baby is the yoga "frog" position, 15 minutes at a time

several times a day; resting afterwards and monitoring blood pressure changes,

if any.)



Someone asked where to buy the sticks: as I live in Israel, where they are not

available, the only source I can recommend is ordering through  Michael Tierra's

store. Go to his site, which is well worth visiting on a regular basis:



www.planetherbs.com/



Miriam Kresh

miriam_k@netvision.net.il













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To: HERB@MyList.net

Subject: B12 and pernicious anemia

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:29:16 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Elfreem@aol.com:





>> MD gives painful iron injections for pernicious anemia, but what about 

>> vitamin B12?



Pernicious anemia is a lack of intrinsic factor which aids in the absorption

of vitamin B12. Most physicians believe that B12 is not absorbed orally

and that injections are necessary. This is NOT true. B12 is absorbed

orally at doses of 1-2mg per day. Cobalamin (B12) is available OTC in the 

USA and other countries. Sorry for being off-topic, but I thought it was

important enough to post. The definitive studies were discussed in the

last issue of the Herb Nutrition Newsletter which I'd be happy to share with

any lister. Send a message to Elfreem@aol.com with 'SEND HERB

NUTRITION NEWSLETTER" in the subject to be placed on my emailing

list.



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Herb Nutrition Newsletter & Midwest Shared Newsletter 

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Horse Chestnut question

From: Wjp1816@aol.com

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:38:42 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Wjp1816@aol.com:



My question is:  Is the common chestnut the same as the chestnuts

that is available at this time of the year?  



Thanks for your knowledge,



Bill Pizer





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Horse Chestnut question

From: Richard Kerr <dikerr@smartt.com>

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 07:56:08 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Richard Kerr <dikerr@smartt.com>:



At 09:38 AM 12/3/98 EST, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Wjp1816@aol.com:

>

>My question is:  Is the common chestnut the same as the chestnuts

>that is available at this time of the year?  

>

>Thanks for your knowledge,

>

>Bill Pizer

>

>The eating chestnuts "roasting on an open fire" have a very prickly

outside covering.  You smash it with your foot and inside there are 3 or

sometimes 2 chestnuts.  They are edible.  There are many trees that grow

wild by the side of the road in a nearby town.  So we wait until the first

or second big wind in October, as it blows them all down to the ground and

we take a stick and sweep the ground finding many of them that have already

broken out of their cover and can just be picked up.  This used to be one

annual family outing, and many people would be there also picking.





The horse chestnuts look alike but have only one chestnut in them and the

ouside cover is a little different.



I have a friend who keeps a dish of horse chestnuts in the house "to make

the house healthy".  I must question her further on this.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Horse Chestnut question

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 16:16:11 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:38:42 EST, Wjp1816@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>To herb@MyList.net from Wjp1816@aol.com:

>

>My question is:  Is the common chestnut the same as the chestnuts

>that is available at this time of the year?  



No. The edible chestnuts are from Castanea sativa.

Horse chestnuts, ohio buckeyes and the like are from Aesculus sp.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Horse Chestnut question

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 18:38:21 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Horse chestnuts (Aesculus hippocastanum) and regular chestnuts  (Castanea

dentata and related species) are NOT the same.  Horse chestnuts are not

good to eat- in fact should not be eaten unless you know how to detoxify

them. Turks reportedly made a remedy for coughing horses with them, but

they are generally reputed to be poisonous  (Ergo the instruction to use

them for Christmas decorations.)



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.                  

                   Don't close your heart so tightly against life's pain

that you shut out life's blessings.



On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 09:38:42 EST Wjp1816@aol.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Wjp1816@aol.com:

>

>My question is:  Is the common chestnut the same as the chestnuts

>that is available at this time of the year?  

>

>Thanks for your knowledge,

>

>Bill Pizer

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Desert plants as "herbs"

From: Drolma@aol.com

Date: Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:01:50 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Drolma@aol.com:







Hi,



following the posts on the Juniper bush I think of the large tree on my

desert property, a large and round tree like a fir pine.  I think I will have

a branch identified as to what species of "juniper" it is.

My garden is the natural Sonoran desert and the plants are just what

has grown there.  Is anyone else on the list working with these desert

plants for healing?  The other plant I grow is Aloe Vera that is a wonderful

plant especially for burns or cuts.  The Aloe Vera will be another topic, in

that it must have many more uses than even I can detect. ( my neighbors

must use it too, for the ones I plant in on the side yard here in Studio City

have a regular trimming from unknown hands)



Happy Holidays!



Pam



pamela





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Desert plants as "herbs"

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Thu, 03 Dec 1998 18:08:41 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Thu, 3 Dec 1998 13:01:50 EST, Drolma@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>following the posts on the Juniper bush I think of the large tree on my

>desert property, a large and round tree like a fir pine.  I think I will have

>a branch identified as to what species of "juniper" it is.



Would that be Arizona cypress? Cupressus arizonica? If so, you can use that like

you would Thuja plicata (or Thuja occidentalis). Great medicinal plant! Nice

incense from the dried greens, too. And a nice tea if you panroast them a bit

first.



>My garden is the natural Sonoran desert and the plants are just what

>has grown there.  Is anyone else on the list working with these desert

>plants for healing?  



Sure, I know some of them. Send me some dried chopped-up Ocotillo bark, and we

can start talking ;) 

(If you're in Arizona, don't. Ocotillo is considered a cactus in Arizona (sigh),

and picking any part of any cactus for any reason whatsoever is subject to a

heavy fine. Unless you have a permit, or are an Native American, on your res.)



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Desert plants as "herbs"

From: Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:45:38 -0500 (EST)

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>:



>..... The other plant I grow is Aloe Vera that is a wonderful

>plant especially for burns or cuts.  The Aloe Vera will be another topic, in

>that it must have many more uses than even I can detect.

>Pam



I learned from the Rodale's Illus. Encyclo. of Herbs that aloe is a many

splendored thing. Among it's many uses (warned against for longterm internal

treatment) are that Cleopatra daily applied fresh juice to her beautiful

visage to clean, soften and create a glowing shine. (So much for

powdering--another day, another follow).



Now, you can't make a silk purse out of an alligator ear, but I find it does

indeed clean, soften, and improve texture. Alas, these are the only results

I can attest to.



(:(



Pat











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Desert plants as "herbs"

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 20:20:43 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 8 Dec 1998 14:45:38 -0500 (EST), Pat  Stephens <pat@mindspring.com>

wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>>..... The other plant I grow is Aloe Vera that is a wonderful

>>plant especially for burns or cuts.  The Aloe Vera will be another topic, in

>>that it must have many more uses than even I can detect.



>I learned from the Rodale's Illus. Encyclo. of Herbs that aloe is a many

>splendored thing. Among it's many uses (warned against for longterm internal

>treatment) are that Cleopatra daily applied fresh juice to her beautiful

>visage to clean, soften and create a glowing shine. (So much for



You can use Opuntia sp. for the same. I wouldn't take a cholla for this, but any

of the flat-pad-species. What you do, you burn off the spines, and then you put

it on your skin either split open with the wet side towards your skin (soothes)

or whole (draws out moisture, IF the plant is waterstarved).



There's lots of good desert plant info in Michael Moore's "Medicinal Plants of

the ..." -book series. Also, try "Healing Herbs of the upper Rio Grande", an old

book on New Mexican Spanish herb lore, edited and reprinted last year.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: Recurrent sore throat

From: Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:22:39 -0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>:



Kind of depends on what is making the person's throat sore.

Does this person do a lot of yelling?  singing?   talking?

Does this person have chronic indigestion, or acid reflux?

Do they eat a lot of scratchy or very salty food or hot spicey/firey food?

Also, is it sore when breathing... generally raw feeling?  Is it only sore 

when swallowing? Or does the entire neck feel achy and the throat also 

irritated/sore?

The throat is an amazing part of the body and can usually overcome insult 

easily.  Repeated trauma can lead to infection.  Of course, the throat also 

exhibits symptoms when other parts of the body are sick.



- Just a few thoughts,

- Tera.



-----Original Message-----

From:	RickVanBen@AOL.COM [SMTP:RickVanBen@AOL.COM]

Sent:	Friday, December 04, 1998 5:08 AM

To:	herb@MyList.net

Subject:	Recurrent sore throat



To herb@MyList.net from RickVanBen@aol.com:



Hi all,



Does anyone have any suggestions for a person who is particularly 

succeptible

to sore throats?  Something to ward them off in the first place is best, 

but

something to help them heal quickly would also be helpful.



Herbs that can be taken in tincture form would be best, as this person's

schedule makes regular tea unrealistic.



Also, this person takes St. John's Wort regularly.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Recurrent sore throat

From: RickVanBen@aol.com

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 00:08:29 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from RickVanBen@aol.com:



Hi all,



Does anyone have any suggestions for a person who is particularly succeptible

to sore throats?  Something to ward them off in the first place is best, but

something to help them heal quickly would also be helpful.



Herbs that can be taken in tincture form would be best, as this person's

schedule makes regular tea unrealistic.



Also, this person takes St. John's Wort regularly.



Thanks,

Rick

RickVanBen@aol.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Recurrent sore throat

From: Magda2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:31:27 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:



In a message dated 12/4/98 12:12:30 AM Eastern Standard Time,

RickVanBen@AOL.COM writes:



<< 

 Herbs that can be taken in tincture form would be best, as this person's

 schedule makes regular tea unrealistic.

  >>

Maybe this person has too many demands on the body and is run down and has

reoccurring sore throats because of this.  An easy way to make a tea is to put

your herb in a quart canning jar, fill w/ boiling water, cap . Do this before

you retire for the evening. In the morning take a small collinder and strain

tea off into your drinking container.  Voila! Tea for the

day..................   it is important to take time out each day to relax and

do "nothing".  :  )



                  Marianne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: News of interest (Fwd) 

From: "ADNchomi" <chomi@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 08:26:02 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from "ADNchomi" <chomi@erols.com>:





Just FYI....chomi





------- Forwarded Message Follows -------



ENGLISH TEACHERS STUMBLES ON ANTI-MALARIAL HERB



Panafrican News  http://www.africanews.org/PANA/science/19981202/feat1.html



December 2, 1998 Paul Ejime, PANA Correspondent



LAGOS, Nigeria (PANA) - A Nigerian English teacher could be on the threshold

of a medical breakthrough should the herbal preparation he discovered by

accident prove effective in the cure of malaria, a tropical scourge that

kills about one million people annually in Africa.



The spice called ''Ajadilopea,'' found by Gabriel Ajadi of the University of

Ilorin, in central Nigeria, has already turned the lecturer into an instant

celebrity within the university community and its environs.



He claims that from the herbs which are all locally available, he made the

preparation that not only ''knocks out malaria in 30 minutes,'' but also

confers the user with immunity for several years.



According to the story published by the Lagos-based Guardian newspaper,

Ajadi said he had acute malaria in 1985 soon after he returned from a

10-year stay in the United States.



Laboratory tests confirmed he had lost immunity to the tropical disease that

kills about 300,000 people in Nigeria yearly.



''I thought I was never going to get out of it,'' Ajadi was quoted as

saying, adding: ''I had started writing my will for my wife, imploring her

to take good care of the children.''



This was after the lecturer had used several medications to no avail.



But this, perhaps marked a turning point in the scientific drama about to

unfold in a possible cure for an ailment that has acquired so much notoriety

and resistance to conventional drugs.



Ajadi recalled collecting ''certain herbs and roots'' for the preparation

and ''immediately I took it, I felt the impact.''



After the instant healing, he said ''I never experienced malaria attack

since I took the herb.''



The lecturer, who said he later used members of his family for test trials

on Ajadilopea also named his colleagues on campus as other notable

beneficiaries of the drug, which weighs approximately 300 milligrams a

sachet.



It is taken orally three times a day for both curative and preventive

purposes.



One of Ajadi's colleagues, Ibukun-Olu Alade of the University of Ilorin

teaching hospital's epidemiology department testifies to the efficacy of

Ajadilopea.



''I used it in April 1985 and I have not had any bout of malaria since

then,'' he said, adding: ''It is with confidence that I therefore recommend

the general use of the drug to whoever may require it.''



Other lecturers including Victoria Ofuya of the university's modern European

languages department as well as a second year English student Toyin Akinola

and journalist Smart Adeyemi, have also spoken highly of Ajadi's wonder

drug.



According to the Guardian, the drug has become so popular in Ilorin that it

is now being used as a test for typhoid fever. The theory is that since

typhoid presents malaria symptoms, while Ajadilopea cures malaria,

persistent malaria symptoms after treatment with the herb suggests typhoid

attack.



This could be a potentially dangerous self-medication procedure, but so far

it has worked for the growing number of those singing the praise of

Ajadilopea.



While two Ilorin lawyers are already reported to have started legal

procedures to patent the herb, a professor Akinyemi Araoye of the University

of Ilorin Teaching Hospital's health science department, is said to have

carried out successful preliminary laboratory tests on it.



After the samples were administered on five patients with ''overt symptoms

of classical acute febrile attack of malaria,'' they all reportedly received

relief after 30 minutes of medication.



Laboratory proof of ''eradication of parasitaemia,'' was also reported in

three of the patients within 48 hours. None of the healed patients reported

any side effects.



The tests also revealed that Ajadilopea ''destroys the malarial-causing

plasmodium parasite, even in cases of severe infection.''



The herb is further hailed for its low toxicity and palatability, which

means that it could be added to stew or beverage without much alteration to

its original slight peppery taste.



Apart from its reported ability to keep malaria at bay for years with only

one dose, Ajadilopea is also said to be relatively inexpensive with its

therapeutic and prophylactic spice made from some 20 different herbs.



Amid preparations for further clinical tests, medical experts in Lagos say

the world could be on the verge of finding a possible lasting solution to

the tropical scourge spread by female mosquitoes.



*****





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: mastitis

From: "Veress" <kveress@npiec.on.ca>

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 03:26:15 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Veress" <kveress@npiec.on.ca>:



My daughter-in-law has mastitis. The baby is two and a half weeks

old,nursing goes very well otherwise and she would like to stick with it as

long as possible.  Right now she has a high fever and the dr gave her

antibiotics.  Her breast is quite painful.

Are there better alternatives?

Her breast is quite painful. I told her to put warm chamomile compresses on

her breast, would that be helpful? Once this is over is there something she

can do to prevent this

from happening again?



Thanks,

Margot









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mastitis

From: Magda2@aol.com

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:58:05 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:





I had mastitis w/ my first child 16 years ago. I did not know about herbs back

then.  What helped for me was to hang out in the tub alot expressing milk and

using hot compresses on my breast.  My daughter hung out w/ me too.  I had her

nurse as much as she wanted.  The key for me was the hot compresses, massage

w/ hot soapy water or a massage oil, and most importantly, trying to relax!

That was hard for me as it was my first child and I really wanted to make this

work.  When she wasn't nursing I also expressed what I could by hand and also

w/ a good breast pump.Remember to massage downward toward nipple, working

gently on the clogged duct.  I have heard recently that you can rent them now

from medical supply places and hospitals.........may save you some $$$.  She

may also try calling the Leleche League(sp?).  I have heard that they are

extremely helpful in working w/ you on various nursing issues.     Good

luck............   just remember to relax, enjoy that new baby and accept help

when it is offered so you can spend the time needed to heal and to get to know

your new little human!  :  )   The first  month or so you may feel like you

are just a boob.........but get through that and stay focused and it will be

well worth it.   Hang in there..........Marianne

 







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mastitis

From: oct-moon@juno.com (October Moon)

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:42:15 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from oct-moon@juno.com (October Moon):



Mastitis is really awful!   Compresses are a great solution, hot as she

can stand, and continuous.... 

Have your dil change the position of the baby from feeding to feeding~ if

a sore spot develops, have the babes chin toward it (ususallly occurs in

the outer quadrants of the breast.  She should not be wearing tight,

underwire bras.  She should be in bed with her child!  

 She can "rake" the spot, toward the nipple with a fine comb (ovear a

thin t shirt)

She is absolutelly right to stick with breastfeeding!

Make sure that she gets plenty of liquids, and as much rest and help as

she can.  If this comes on again, and she will recognise it, have her

take echinachea, and hop back in bed for a day or so, taking in plenty of

liquids (which a breastfeeding mom needs anyway)

Best of luck !

Blessings~

Nell





On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 03:26:15 -0700 (MST) "Veress" <kveress@npiec.on.ca>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Veress" <kveress@npiec.on.ca>:

>

>My daughter-in-law has mastitis. The baby is two and a half weeks

>old,nursing goes very well otherwise and she would like to stick with 

>it as

>long as possible.  Right now she has a high fever and the dr gave her

>antibiotics.  Her breast is quite painful.

>Are there better alternatives?

>Her breast is quite painful. I told her to put warm chamomile 

>compresses on

>her breast, would that be helpful? Once this is over is there 

>something she

>can do to prevent this

>from happening again?

>

>Thanks,

>Margot

>

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mastitis

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:28:05 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> My daughter-in-law has mastitis. The baby is two and a half weeks

> old,nursing goes very well otherwise and she would like to stick with it as

> long as possible.  Right now she has a high fever and the dr gave her

> antibiotics.  Her breast is quite painful.

> Are there better alternatives?



Dandelion root tea should fix that up.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: mastitis

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:33:11 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:







>To herb@MyList.net from "Veress" <kveress@npiec.on.ca>:

>

>My daughter-in-law has mastitis. The baby is two and a half weeks

>old,nursing goes very well otherwise and she would like to stick with it as

>long as possible.  Right now she has a high fever and the dr gave her

>antibiotics.  Her breast is quite painful.

>Are there better alternatives?

>Her breast is quite painful. I told her to put warm chamomile compresses on

>her breast, would that be helpful? Once this is over is there something she

>can do to prevent this

>from happening again?

>

>Thanks,

>Margot

>

>

>

Boy do I feel for her.  I used to get them often.  The absolute BEST thing

she can do is to nurse that baby as often as possible.  The nursing, however

painful, is the best way to clear the ducts.  Hopefully the baby nurses

vigorously.  Encourage her to continue, it's best for the baby.  Avoid

getting a chill on the breast.  Wear sweaters and avoid cold drafts.  I used

to get them when my chest was exposed to a cold wind (with a shirt on) or

cold water as in swimming in the ocean.  One of the best things to give me

relief was to simmer elderberry blossoms in olive oil and appy the oil to

the breast.  It was very soothing and relieved the pain and congestion in

the breast.  I used fresh blossoms but dried might suffice.  It might be

good to drink an infusion of the same. Tell her this:

Your baby's immune system will thank you for nursing.  Don't quit.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mastitis

From: yellow11@webtv.net (shirley jones)

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 18:29:27 -0800 (PST)

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To herb@MyList.net from yellow11@webtv.net (shirley jones):



I don't know if mastitis is the same in humans as in cows, but our milk

cows must be milked out completely several times a day and the udder

massaged with bag balm for 15 or 20 minutes prior to milking.  I don't

mean to make light of this, as this works on cases that are not yet so

involved as to cause scar tissue and the glands dry up totally -

forever.  Santation is very important so as not to re-infect.  I am

sorry that she is suffering this and hope for a speedy recovery.



Shirley Jones

Davenport, WA





















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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbal diagrams

From: "joyfulspirit" <joyfulspirit@goplay.com>

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 02:26:48 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "joyfulspirit" <joyfulspirit@goplay.com>:



Does anyone know of any good sites for herbal diagrams?  I have found some wonderful ones with a wealth of information but for some reason alot of the British herbs I am looking for are not on these sites.  Any help would be greatly appreciated!



Regards,

Ev.



....





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Does anyone know where to find these herbs?

From: Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@uscom.com>

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 08:11:45 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Jodi von Hagen <jodiv@uscom.com>:



I'm looking for pycorrhiza (Chinese) and andrografis (sp?) (Ayurvedic)

in either bulk or capsules and LEM (shitake in capsules). Can anyone

help me? Thanks,

Jodi





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Does anyone know where to find these herbs?

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 21:01:49 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I'm looking for pycorrhiza (Chinese) 



Hu huang lian, or Rhizoma Picrorhizae. Contact me off list if you want to get

it from me (concentrated powder form only).



>and andrografis (sp?) (Ayurvedic)



...graphis. This I cannot help you with, but I am vaguely familiar with the

herb. If I was at my office, I could give more information on it. Let me know

if that would be of interest.



> in either bulk or capsules and LEM (shitake in capsules). Can anyone

> help me? Thanks,

> Jodi



LEM is available on the Web, I'm sure. Currently, I only supply reishi.



Sorry if that was too commercial, but a question asked....



Paul

(soon: herb-room.com)





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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Ajadilopea  was: News of interest

From: Tera Gram <teragram@silcom.com>

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 13:36:05 -0000

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I'm filing this under "Sounds too good to be true...but it'd sure be great!"



Time will tell.  

- Tera



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Sent:	Friday, December 04, 1998 8:26 AM

To:	herb@MyList.net

Subject:	News of interest (Fwd) 



 To herb@MyList.net from "ADNchomi" <chomi@erols.com>:





Just FYI....chomi





------- Forwarded Message Follows -------



ENGLISH TEACHERS STUMBLES ON ANTI-MALARIAL HERB



Panafrican News  http://www.africanews.org/PANA/science/19981202/feat1.html



December 2, 1998 Paul Ejime, PANA Correspondent



LAGOS, Nigeria (PANA) - A Nigerian English teacher could be on the threshold

of a medical breakthrough should the herbal preparation he discovered by

accident prove effective in the cure of malaria, a tropical scourge that

kills about one million people annually in Africa.

 

<snip> 





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Native Cedar

From: "Jan Schmidt" <jans@rnet.com>

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:38:22 -0600

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Ok Folks,

 I know I should have been paying attention. I live on the Illinois/Missouri

border. Our farm has a large population of native cedar tree. When cut the

heart, most of the inside is red like cedar closets.  Smells great too.

 Anyway the question is what are the needles/branches good for? I am

thinking either infusing oil and salts with them for arthritis relief bath

oils/salts. Am I correct in these.

 We plan to use the trunks for raised herb beds. I hate to waste anything. I

want to be a good steward of our land. Please help if you can.

TIA,

Jan S.



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Native Cedar

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 04 Dec 1998 15:30:27 GMT

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On Fri, 4 Dec 1998 07:38:22 -0600, "Jan Schmidt" <jans@rnet.com> wrote to

<herb@MyList.net>:



> I know I should have been paying attention. I live on the Illinois/Missouri

>border. Our farm has a large population of native cedar tree. When cut the

>heart, most of the inside is red like cedar closets.  Smells great too.

> Anyway the question is what are the needles/branches good for? I am

>thinking either infusing oil and salts with them for arthritis relief bath

>oils/salts. Am I correct in these.



Can't say anything 'til we know the latin name. If you can't find out, ask a

local botanist to ID it for you.



Henriette



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Subject: Re: Desert plants

From: Drolma@aol.com

Date: Fri, 4 Dec 1998 12:05:13 -0700 (MST)

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The ocotillo is a beautiful plant here, sometimes builders collect them and

plant them in front of a spec. house to sell the house, and then the plants 

die so I see why the powers that be put a halt to that decimation.  

So little is known about the flora here that I can.  There are a few books

that seem to see herbs as anti-this or that'; cures for dis-ease rather than for

preventative uses.  If I ever get intestinal worms, I have...er...many cures.



Though most of the plants in my yard are on the "protection" list.  

What about the uses for the desert wild-flowers?  Datura grows profusely

of course, and thank god we didnt know about it in the hippy-try-any-drug-

days.  So, my question might be, Has anyone come up with a use for

the chollo plant that is medicinal!  ;)







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Dong quai

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 05:30:06 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



I've been told that Dong quai root has no cell walls left, so cannot be

tinctured with the percolation method (the fast and efficient way to tincture

dried herb). I've therefore macerated the powder (steep in alcohol for 1-4

weeks) for a tincture. 



I've heard that the root is only dried, but is it dried very slowly to give it a

chance to ferment, in order for it not to have any cell walls left? Is it

pressed together in large bales or something? Or would there be any other

strange things involved from harvest to shelf?



Great herb. Even though I'm sure I don't use it the traditional Chinese way.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Dong quai

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 5 Dec 1998 07:18:57 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



The dong quai I purchase is harvested, sliced and pressed flat.  It

certainly does have cell walls, although it crumbles easily.  I usually

decoct it or eat it, dried or reconstituted.



But why not percolate it providing you have appropriate filter materials?

 Clogging or concerns about the release of certain constituents?



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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                   Don't close your heart so tightly against life's pain

that you shut out life's blessings.



On Sat, 05 Dec 1998 05:30:06 GMT HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

>

>I've been told that Dong quai root has no cell walls left, so cannot 

>be

>tinctured with the percolation method (the fast and efficient way to 

>tincture

>dried herb). I've therefore macerated the powder (steep in alcohol for 

>1-4

>weeks) for a tincture. 

>

>I've heard that the root is only dried, but is it dried very slowly to 

>give it a

>chance to ferment, in order for it not to have any cell walls left? Is 

>it

>pressed together in large bales or something? Or would there be any 

>other

>strange things involved from harvest to shelf?

>

>Great herb. Even though I'm sure I don't use it the traditional 

>Chinese way.

>

>Cheers

>Henriette

>

>--

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>Finland

>http://metalab.unc.edu/herbmed FTP: metalab.unc.edu or 

>sunsite.sut.ac.jp

>      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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>archives...

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Dong quai

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 12:33:38 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I've been told that Dong quai root has no cell walls left, so cannot be

> tinctured with the percolation method (the fast and efficient way to

> tincture dried herb). I've therefore macerated the powder (steep in

> alcohol for 1-4 weeks) for a tincture. 



Ordinary Danggui root is simply scrapped to remove the coarse outer tissue, and

mildly sun-dried. I don't think that would remove the cell walls.



It is also sold in steamed and pressed form (for use in cooking), which of

course would have few or no cell walls so it would cook easily. 



Even so, it is a strongly AROMATIC root...if it was processed at all heavily,

you would lose the smell (and some of the efficacy, no doubt).



> I've heard that the root is only dried, but is it dried very slowly

> to give it a chance to ferment, in order for it not to have any cell

> walls left? 



I doubt this. If I get ambitious, I have (in Chinese) the pharmacopeia

description of its culturing and preparation for market, which I can decipher.



>Is it pressed together in large bales or something? Or

> would there be any other strange things involved from harvest to shelf?



No. The unsliced root is very commonly decocted, which (aftermarket) treatment

would break the cell walls presumably, but it is also extracted in alcohol

through simple immersion. 



Sliced/pressed root must be what is referred to...it is commonly cooked in

chicken soup, and I guess you don't want the bird to get too soggy.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Dong quai

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 00:31:42 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



How does dong quai (Angelica sinensis) root compare with Angelica archangelica?



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Dong quai

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 09:04:40 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> How does dong quai (Angelica sinensis) root compare with Angelica

> archangelica?



They are considerably different in usage. The flowering tops of A.a., as I

understand it, are the primarily plant part used, whereas that part isn't

really used in Chinese healing at all (various parts of the root are used). I

believe I have seen danggui flowers in my big (Chinese language) herbal, but

they aren't available in commerce.



As well, I am fairly sure that the chemistry of danggui roots is unique. Many

species of Angelica grow in China...I don't know of another sp. that is

commonly used. The Chinese certainly tried EVERYTHING they could get their

hands on.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Dong quai

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:24:20 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



Angelica archangelica is sold as dried cut/sifted root.  John Lust's Herb Book

gives "rootstock, roots, seeds" as medicinal parts.  I believe the fresh stem

and leaves might have culinary use.  I wanted to know how Angelica archangelica

root compared with Angelica sinensis root.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Buying herbs

From: "joyfulspirit" <joyfulspirit@goplay.com>

Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 02:52:03 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "joyfulspirit" <joyfulspirit@goplay.com>:



Does anyone know of a good place in Canada to buy herbs aside from the regular culinary herbs?  I live on the west coast.  Thanks!  :-)



Ev.....





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Andrographis paniculata

From: Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 08:15:11 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



Using a "ph" in place of the "f", I located a couple of resources for

andrographis paniculata which is defined (briefly) by Natural Remedies

(nci) as an ayurvedic hepatoprotective.



Nature's Remedies is located at http://www.indianherbs.com  It is a site

for ayurvedic herbs developed for animal care.



There is a glandular compound containing andrographis paniculata called

NBS-AV Glandular put out by Nature's Sunshine (nci).



Good luck--there are more listings through a web search which may be the

easiest way for you to make a connection in finding this herb.



Good luck.



Aliceann Carlton

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including "New Photos" and "A List of Maine Spider Species" has finally

made it!  Last update:  10 Nov. 1998.   ICQ # 23983182.  IM nick = naturepho







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Andrographis paniculata

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 15:22:03 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Using a "ph" in place of the "f", I located a couple of resources for

> andrographis paniculata which is defined (briefly) by Natural Remedies

> (nci) as an ayurvedic hepatoprotective.



This plant is listed in Hsu, Oriental Materia Medica, which is the old standard

work in Chinese pharmacopeia. Based on that listing, one can say:



Andrographis is known in Chinese as Chuan xin lian or Yi jian xi, and is not

listed in any traditional herbal. The plant is in the Acanthaceae family, has

bitter sapor and cold property. It is primarily used to fight infectious

illness in the acute phase, especially that of the urinary tract and lung. It

is not considered to act on the liver channel. Clinical studies point to

suppression of bacterial dysentery, and a renal-protective effect.



Hope that helps.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Tinctures

From: Joy Keeping <keepjoy@hal-pc.org>

Date: Sat, 05 Dec 1998 10:45:21 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Joy Keeping <keepjoy@hal-pc.org>:





Hi list,



I have a passionflower vine growing in my yard and would like to make a

tincture.

Could someone tell me how to prepare the flowers to do this?  I made a

flower essence from this vine and would like to compare the properties

of each.



Thank you for all the good information here.



Joy Keeping







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: herbal link page

From: Hideen@aol.com

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 09:57:57 EST

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Hi everyone,

I have been brain storming (imagine that !).I am planning to design a web

sight with nothing but herbal related links ( including my own). I plan on

publishing this with every free web host that I can find on the net. There are

dozens of web hosts on the net that will give you free space. Anyone wishing

to have thier sight listed on these sights or if you know of any sights worth

listing let me know.Email me at Hideen@aol.com . Maybe this might help alot of

us get more hits to our sights.                                

                                              Thanks..........Adrianne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 17:58:56 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:



Hello everyone



I have been drinking a burdock root/yellow dock/red clover tea lately for liver

properties. (only three times so far)  But it makes me irritable and headachy.

My gut instinct tells me to stop.  I am not sure what part of the combination

would be causing the problem.



Some schools of thought would say that it is just part of the healing process

and no pain, no gain.  Others would say, "Adverse reactions are not good."



Since this is the liver and all, and I can't find any literature out there with

specific information, I was wondering if anyone had thoughts concerning this.  I

am hestitant to continue at this point.



Thanks,



Susana







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 20:56:27 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



The yellow dock might be too much.  A healing crisis is possible too. 

Tell us more about your symptoms.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.                  

                   Don't close your heart so tightly against life's pain

that you shut out life's blessings.



On Sun, 06 Dec 1998 17:58:56 +0000 Susana Augustyn

<augustyn@COLBY.IXKS.COM> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:

>

>Hello everyone

>

>I have been drinking a burdock root/yellow dock/red clover tea lately 

>for liver

>properties. (only three times so far)  But it makes me irritable and 

>headachy.

>My gut instinct tells me to stop.  I am not sure what part of the 

>combination

>would be causing the problem.

>

>Some schools of thought would say that it is just part of the healing 

>process

>and no pain, no gain.  Others would say, "Adverse reactions are not 

>good."

>

>Since this is the liver and all, and I can't find any literature out 

>there with

>specific information, I was wondering if anyone had thoughts 

>concerning this.  I

>am hestitant to continue at this point.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Susana

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Sun, 06 Dec 1998 21:40:43 +0000

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:







creationsgarden@JUNO.COM wrote:



> The yellow dock might be too much.  A healing crisis is possible too.

> Tell us more about your symptoms.

>



I wanted to do a liver detox.  I had spent years taking aspirin, tylenol,

etc. and was also using nasal spray too often.  I have quit using those

substances (tylenol still used sparingly during pms time).  Another member

to the list had mentioned that my kidneys may be depleted, and that they

weren't nourishing the liver.  I feel tired and run down, depressed and

lifeless.



What do you mean by a healing crisis?



Thanks,

Susana







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:25:44 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



If the liver is being cleansed you have to be careful that the toxins you're

stirring up are actually exiting your body, preferably through the

intestines - so the culprit might not be so much the tea but rather the rest

of your diet.



Its not a bad idea to preface a liver cleanse with an extended period of

eating only steamed veggies, grains, tofu, cutting back coffee, dairy, red

meat  etc and also making sure that your bowels are functioning regularly.

If your colon is blocked the toxins will have nowhere to go but back into

the blood. Its a simple thing but important.



Just one of many possibilities.



Pramod



-----Original Message-----

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@COLBY.IXKS.COM>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 6:53 PM

Subject: No pain no gain? Liver tea





>To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:

>

>Hello everyone

>

>I have been drinking a burdock root/yellow dock/red clover tea lately for

liver

>properties. (only three times so far)  But it makes me irritable and

headachy.

>My gut instinct tells me to stop.  I am not sure what part of the

combination

>would be causing the problem.

>

>Some schools of thought would say that it is just part of the healing

process

>and no pain, no gain.  Others would say, "Adverse reactions are not good."

>

>Since this is the liver and all, and I can't find any literature out there

with

>specific information, I was wondering if anyone had thoughts concerning

this.  I

>am hestitant to continue at this point.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Susana

>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 23:33:34 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:



On the burdock root/yellow dock/red clover tea for liver properties, I am 

inclined to say you should not keep taking this combination if it makes you

irritable and headachy.  Perhaps try something else in place of yellow dock.

I have had red clover as fresh, cooked and raw, also dried in tea.  I once had

burdock root, bought fresh from an Oriental grocery store, didn't seem to do

any particular harm or good.  I have no experience with yellow dock.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 07:55:10 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:





Subject: No pain no gain? Liver tea





>To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:

>

>Hello everyone

>

>I have been drinking a burdock root/yellow dock/red clover tea lately for

liver

>properties. (only three times so far)  But it makes me irritable and

headachy.

>My gut instinct tells me to stop.  I am not sure what part of the

combination

>would be causing the problem.

>

>Some schools of thought would say that it is just part of the healing

process

>and no pain, no gain.  Others would say, "Adverse reactions are not good."

>

>Since this is the liver and all, and I can't find any literature out there

with

>specific information, I was wondering if anyone had thoughts concerning

this.  I

>am hestitant to continue at this point.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Susana

>

These herbs aren't specific for liver.  They are more for detoxification of

the body in general, for cancer, etc.  They are called in older herbal

circles "blood cleansers".  Perhaps you should look into herbs more specific

for liver such as Milk Thistle.  What exactly are you trying to do?  Also,

when you use these "blood cleansers" you should drink large amounts of water

or you can feel sick from toxins not yet expelled.  Perhaps your dosage is

not correct either.  You can have too much of a good thing.  More

information would be helpful.







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:05:11 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:









>To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:

>

>

>

>creationsgarden@JUNO.COM wrote:

>

>> The yellow dock might be too much.  A healing crisis is possible too.

>> Tell us more about your symptoms.

>>

>

>I wanted to do a liver detox.  I had spent years taking aspirin, tylenol,

>etc. and was also using nasal spray too often.  I have quit using those

>substances (tylenol still used sparingly during pms time).  Another member

>to the list had mentioned that my kidneys may be depleted, and that they

>weren't nourishing the liver.  I feel tired and run down, depressed and

>lifeless.

>

>What do you mean by a healing crisis?

>

>Thanks,

>Susana

>

It seems that you need to cool the liver and support the kidneys.  A simple

remedy is to use COLD Yarrow tea.  Yarrow is a diaphoretic, it disperses

heat.  When used cold it aims its properties almost exclusively on the

liver.  When used hot it is more generally dispersed over the body.   It

will also indirectly cool the kidneys when used in the cold manner.  I hope

you have also quit using all caffeine products.  There's no better way to

stress the liver than by using caffeine stimulants.  Make sure your diet

excludes all dyes, food additives, MSG and excessive salt.  Sounds like you

probably need some female balance as well so you don't need the tylenol.

Instead of using tylenol for PMS, try using some cramp bark (Viburnum).  I

have a bush in my front yard and when I get any problems, I just nibble on a

twig.  It takes about 20 min to relief.  Some more info on your periods

would help determine the correct herbs to correct the PMS.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 23:24:20 +0000

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:







Anita Hales wrote:



> I hope

> you have also quit using all caffeine products.



Yes, and all diet drinks.  Only a little green tea now and then.  I am afraid I

used to drink quite a bit of both diet and caffeine drinks for about a 10 year

stretch.



>

> Some more info on your periods

> would help determine the correct herbs to correct the PMS.



Very regular, but terrible pms symptoms, such as the bloating, cramping,

headaches, irritability and depression.  Ovulation seems overly long, too.  I

am 39.  I just finished reading the book, "What Your Doctor May Not Tell You

About Menopause" (John Lee) since it had information about PMS. Interesting

information about estrogen dominance and incomplete ovulation resulting in

lowered progesterone levels causing, in some cases, severe PMS symptoms.



Thanks so much,



Susana







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 07:32:30 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>>

>> Some more info on your periods

>> would help determine the correct herbs to correct the PMS.

>

>Very regular, but terrible pms symptoms, such as the bloating, cramping,

>headaches, irritability and depression.  Ovulation seems overly long, too.

I

>am 39.  I just finished reading the book, "What Your Doctor May Not Tell

You

>About Menopause" (John Lee) since it had information about PMS. Interesting

>information about estrogen dominance and incomplete ovulation resulting in

>lowered progesterone levels causing, in some cases, severe PMS symptoms.

>

>Thanks so much,

>

>Susana

>

Perhaps you'd be a good candidate for dangquai.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 11:05:03 -0800

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> >Very regular, but terrible pms symptoms, such as the bloating, cramping,

> >headaches, irritability and depression.  Ovulation seems overly long, too.



> Perhaps you'd be a good candidate for dangquai.



Danggui doesn't treat most of those problems, which stem, in Chinese thinking,

from stagnation of >liver qi due to weakened digestion. Herbs like bupleurum,

which treat the liver, are more the point. Key to treating such conditions is

mild EXERCISE as the period approaches, especially movements that direct

relaxed concentration into the womb (such as yoga or "Tai Chi"). Such mild

lifestyle therapy can reduce most of these complaints quite effectively.

Complete elimination of caffeine, as already confessed/confronted, is also

critical.



In the Chinese herbal universe, the very commonly used formula Bupleurum &

Peony (Jia Wei Xiao Yao San) fits this pattern. It does contain danggui, but as

a supportive therapy only. As a warm herbal, danggui will exacerbate headaches

and should NOT be used >as a single herb by people suffering from such signs of

liver qi rebelling upward.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: No pain no gain? Liver tea

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Tue, 08 Dec 1998 16:10:23 +0000

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To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:



> Key to treating such conditions is

> mild EXERCISE as the period approaches, especially movements that direct

> relaxed concentration into the womb (such as yoga or "Tai Chi").



Great!  thank you!  I learned Tai Chi when I lived in Taiwan, so I will pick it up

again.  I also have a book on the five rites.



Thanks again,



Susana







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To: herb@MyList.net, paracelsus@teleport.com

Subject: Stroke

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 22:28:13 -0500

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My 69 year old mother just had a slight stroke and is scheduled for an

EEG, MRI and doppler flow through her carotid artery.  She is a type 2

diabetic who is not insulin-dependent, however her oral diabetes

medication, Glucatrol, has raised her blood pressure. She takes it

periodically for 2-3 weeks, going off when her blood test confirms that

she can control her blood sugar by diet alone,  because it interferes

with weight loss.  



Diabetes onset was stimulated by oral ERT with Premarin, which also

caused hemmoragic menstrual bleeding when the dosage was raised and

resulted in a hysterectomy.  (Prior to that she had diabetes-like test

results from the contraceptive pill.)  



She monitors BP and blood sugar and  takes the blood pressure medication,

Hizar (at minimum dose).  Blood pressure is 150-160/80-90.  Is generally

able to keep her blood sugar under control with diet, but not as often

now as previously.  Diet is building, strong in animal protein and dairy

(because of diabetes). Tends to do well on a Zone type diet but has

trouble complying with that level of carbos. Exercises regularly. 

Pitta/Kappa type constitutionally, family history of diabetes and heart

disease.



The doctor has suggested Plavix 75mg, described as a "super-asprin" (at

$100 per month!)  to thin her blood.  She would like to know whether it

interacts with cayenne (40,000hu, .25% capaiscin standardized, 1 capsule

daily)



She already takes  a multi-vitamin, Siberian ginseng 410mg,  garlic, a 40

mg capsule of gingko once a day,  500 IUs of Vitamin E., 500mg of Vitamin

 C, EFAs, chromium piccolinate,   25mg of zinc, a Vitamin B supplement

providing 1200 mg pyrodoxine, 50% of the RDA of folate, SJW 300mg, and

has a diet with high levels of cruciferus vegetables



I would appreciate suggestions on supplements and preventative care to

stave off future strokes. (I've suggested that her SJW dose is not

terribly useful.)



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Re: Stroke

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 08:22:03 -0900

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-----Original Message-----

From: creationsgarden@juno.com <creationsgarden@juno.com>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>; paracelsus@teleport.com

<paracelsus@teleport.com>

Date: Sunday, December 06, 1998 6:36 PM

Subject: Stroke





>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>My 69 year old mother just had a slight stroke and is scheduled for an

>EEG, MRI and doppler flow through her carotid artery.  She is a type 2

>diabetic who is not insulin-dependent, however her oral diabetes

>medication, Glucatrol, has raised her blood pressure. She takes it

>periodically for 2-3 weeks, going off when her blood test confirms that

>she can control her blood sugar by diet alone,  because it interferes

>with weight loss.

>

>Diabetes onset was stimulated by oral ERT with Premarin, which also

>caused hemmoragic menstrual bleeding when the dosage was raised and

>resulted in a hysterectomy.  (Prior to that she had diabetes-like test

>results from the contraceptive pill.)

>

>She monitors BP and blood sugar and  takes the blood pressure medication,

>Hizar (at minimum dose).  Blood pressure is 150-160/80-90.  Is generally

>able to keep her blood sugar under control with diet, but not as often

>now as previously.  Diet is building, strong in animal protein and dairy

>(because of diabetes). Tends to do well on a Zone type diet but has

>trouble complying with that level of carbos. Exercises regularly.

>Pitta/Kappa type constitutionally, family history of diabetes and heart

>disease.



High blood sugar will directly affect blood pressure.  Overweight directly

affects blood sugar.  Blood sugar will not go down suitably until weight is

lost. The body fat messes up your body's ability to properly metabolilze.

I've experimented with several herbs to reduce blood sugar such as Devils

Club, Ginseng, a Rehmannia combination and gymnema.  They have limited

affect if weight is not lost.  When the person loses weight their effect on

lowering blood sugar is better.  When blood sugar is lowered the blood

pressure is immediately lowered to a satisfactory level.

>

>The doctor has suggested Plavix 75mg, described as a "super-asprin" (at

>$100 per month!)  to thin her blood.  She would like to know whether it

>interacts with cayenne (40,000hu, .25% capaiscin standardized, 1 capsule

>daily)



Capsicum may increase the effects of the aspirin.

>

>She already takes  a multi-vitamin, Siberian ginseng 410mg,  garlic, a 40

>mg capsule of gingko once a day,  500 IUs of Vitamin E., 500mg of Vitamin

> C, EFAs, chromium piccolinate,   25mg of zinc, a Vitamin B supplement

>providing 1200 mg pyrodoxine, 50% of the RDA of folate, SJW 300mg, and

>has a diet with high levels of cruciferus vegetables

>

>I would appreciate suggestions on supplements and preventative care to

>stave off future strokes. (I've suggested that her SJW dose is not

>terribly useful.)



I agree.  How about some Hawthorne and garlic and parsely?

>

>Karen Vaughan

>CreationsGarden@juno.com

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>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbs & the spleen

From: jkiesel@ups.edu (Jamie Kiesel)

Date: Mon, 7 Dec 1998 13:36:00 -0800 (PST)

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To herb@MyList.net from jkiesel@ups.edu (Jamie Kiesel):



I understand that the spleen is key in helping to ward off illnesses.  My

question is what if you don't have a spleen or the spleen you have is not

"normal?"



Some of my organs are flipped/reversed of what they "should" be.

Specifically my spleen is either missing or is in small pieces instead of

being one "whole" organ.  The docs never came to an absolute conclusion on

the spleen question.



I was wondering if I should be taking specific herbs because of this?



Thanks again................Jamie





QUOTE OF THE MONTH (12/01/98)



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbs & the spleen

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 07 Dec 1998 21:24:13 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Some of my organs are flipped/reversed of what they "should" be.

> Specifically my spleen is either missing or is in small pieces instead of

> being one "whole" organ. 



I read once that one person in 100 has reversed organs (including heart). It

isn't that rare. As long as the 'pieces' function, no problem, as far as I

know. The spleen is a very spongy organ to begin with.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Missing spleen

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 8 Dec 1998 08:27:24 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



If you are missing a spleen, the question is what doesn't work about the

body you do have?  It may be that other organs or the remaining remnants

compensate.



For specific symptoms or imbalances we can suggest herbal remedies, and

we would of course suggest using nutritive herbs as foods.  But if you

function well, don't let your anatomy throw you.



Karen Vaughan

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Subject: Terrible sprain

From: Seylerl@aol.com

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:58:34 EST

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Dear Herbal friends,



My brother had a mishap with a motorcycle he was riding and crushed his foot.

No broken bones.. just a chip or two.. but the Dr. said everything was just

crushed under the weight of the bike.



It has ballooned up to 7 times the size of normal, and he is in great pain.  I

wondered if there are any herbs, either internal or topical that would help

speed recovery.  I submit my request for info to the great wisdom filled minds

of those on this list.  I truly appreciate your input.



Blessings to you ~

Lisa 





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Subject: Re: Terrible sprain

From: "Jan Schmidt" <jans@rnet.com>

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 06:48:21 -0600

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Lisa,

 Not a great mind just a good Memory. I have read numerous times of terrible

sprains being relieved with arnica poultices or salve.

HTH,

Jan S.

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Subject: GROWING HIGH MOUNTAINS PLANTS

From: "Vecchi Stefano" <stephano@tin.it>

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 16:05:28 +0100

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CENTRO di TERAPIE NATURALI

di : Cheli  Cristina  &  Vecchi  Stefano

Via EVANON  8,

11100  AOSTA,  ITALY

Tel  &  Fax:  00390165 -555278

E-mail: stephano@tin.it



DEAR GROUP,



	My name is Stefano Vecchi and I studied Naturopathy at the ACNT in Sydney.



I am living in a small region in north Italy where the administration

department is  sensitive to the environment and the agriculture needs, so I

would finally like to start the project I was already thinking about in

Australia.



In these days I am preparing a project called: " CULTIVATION OF NATIVE

OFFICINAL PLANTS OF VALLE D'AOSTA". The project will be presented to the

Administration of Forest & Agriculture Department and to the European

Community Bureau Office in order to get the equipment and the economical

help.



I would like to ask Your help about the economical prospectus that I need to

present with the project.



I would need some indications on profits (amount of money) that a

permaculture or an organic cultivation could have (see the example reported

at the end). It will be just enough have some approximate economical income

report of other cultivation plans.



I already worked out of a little report but I lack the practical experience

and I would like to know some indications from experienced people.

The project consists into organizing a high altitude integrated organic

cultivation of officinal plants as Arnica, Gentian, Barberry, Verbascum

thapsus, Rabarbarus, Calendula, Arthemisa, etc.

The garden I would like to grow could also be visited both from tourists and

from experts.



Information on how the single specie may live in that particular condition

could be collected and used to reestablish the eventually lost flora in some

parts of the region, and share the experience with other organizations.

Obviously there will be a non profit seed banking program and it would be

nice exchange and preserve overseas flora, for security reasons mainly.



After the initial economical help the project would run on the plants

harvested and the herbal products made by them; a simple but efficient

laboratory where prepare effective hydro-alcoholic and glycerin tincture

would be organized.



The laboratory and the products made there will be under a Valle d'Aosta

brand and they will be proposed as original controlled products.



In conjunction to the Valle d'Aosta organic growers association, we could

invite overseas peoples to give lectures and help.



I would also like to ask  some references about the chemical differences

between plants organically grown an not (basically I would like know the

qualitative chemical differences of pesticides and nutritional substances

values).



In a few weeks I also need to prepare an introduction about "Organic growing

and Human Health" to present to the first organic growers association of my

town.



I would really appreciate addresses & points of connection too.



Thank you in advance for your time.



Vecchi Stefano

N.D., D.H., D.B.M.,

NHAA member



PROJECT SUMMURY REPORT:



1 territory :

-     Location

- Dimension

- Water supply

- Costs



2 work load on the land:

- Machinery types employed

- Time and Costs



3 organization of the soil and maintenance:

- Maintenance costs

- Harvesting results and money output

- Winter organization



4 Manufacturing the plants:

- Cost of manufacturing laboratory

- cost of the health department approval

- cost  of bottle disposal



5 Network organization,  and distribution:

- marketing plan

- Costs









6 Office, storage location, and data organization:

- office

- tools storage

- herbal products storage

- data organization facilities

- costs

PROJECT DEVELOPMENT SAMPLE

Territory:

Location:



The land should be situated at the altitude of:  1800 - 2200 meters on sea

level, and easily reachable by four wheels drive. The land would be granted

by the Administration Department of Territory of Aosta Valley.

The soil will be free from any dust and pollution, and no organized rural

and urban community should be in the same area or in upper lands.

Dimensions:



The land will reach an average of 1 hectare, at least for the first year.

Close to this land it will be prepared a little tools recovery box.

Water supply:



The land should be close at one mountain river easily accessible. Light

pipes just lined on the soil will supply the water, while some electrical

solar panels will supply the energy to maintain a timer for daily

irrigation.

Costs:



The project is designed to be  supported through the Administration

Department Of Valle d'Aosta region for the follows reasons:

* The high land are administrated through the Agriculture & Forests

Department

* The follow permissions are dispensed by the above mentioned department:

- Access to the land

- Permission to grow and harvest protected species

- Facilities  on agriculture tools and laboratory spaces.

- Increase jobs

- Valorization  of abandoned lands and small rural areas



ECONOMICAL REPORT EXAMPLE

(This is an example of what I would some information, knowledge, and

opinion)



What I really need now, are some examples about the economical output of one

acre or one hectare of land; as the example below:



One acre could approximately produce 4000 Kgs of fresh herbs (there are many

factors to consider), which will dry to approx 1000 Kgs of dry weight herb.

(this information have been kindly given by few  Australians herbs growers).



According to the Italian Marketing List Price of 1997, the following herbs

are so priced:



AROMATICS PLANTS:  ( Australian dollars per Kg of dried herb)



* Limeflower........................18 $ AU

* Thyme..............................3 $ AU

* Parsley..............................8 $ AU

* Vervain...........................11 $ AU

* Minth (grounded leaf)...........5 $ AU

* Juniper (berries)..................7 $ AU



All this plants are not organically grown and are just taken an example. I

could not find the high mountains plant  prices yet.



Now, if the production of an acre is 1000 Kgs (ca) of dried herb,

accordingly to the above prices, the economical output should be around

3000 - 11000 $ AU.





This are just few pictures of the region where I live, (for curiosity only)













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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: SJW in Pregnancy

From: R Dresner <saopedro@yahoo.com>

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:02:55 +1100 (EST)

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Is it safe for my wife to use Infused oil of St Johns Wort in the last

month of pregnancy to treat sciatica?



Any advice gratefully received.



Thanks,



Rick Dresner 

saopedro@yahoo.com













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Subject: Re: SJW in Pregnancy

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 10:28:41 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Yes it is safe for your wife to use SJW oil in pregnancy, especially at

this late stage.  Internally the use of SJW involves a cost benefit

process- it seems to be relatively safe, but you would want to know

whether the symptoms being treated are more likely to be debilitating to

the developing baby than any use of herbs.  Oatstraw and seed infusion (1

oz herb to 1 qt. water infused overnight in boiling water) is a

nourishing nervine, as well which might help and is beneficial to both

mother and child.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

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life.



On Thu, 10 Dec 1998 07:02:55 +1100 (EST) R Dresner <saopedro@yahoo.com>

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from R Dresner <saopedro@yahoo.com>:

>

>

>Is it safe for my wife to use Infused oil of St Johns Wort in the last

>month of pregnancy to treat sciatica?

>

>Any advice gratefully received.

>

>Thanks,

>

>Rick Dresner 

>saopedro@yahoo.com

>

>

>

>

>

>

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Subject: angina

From: jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>

Date: Wed, 9 Dec 1998 18:07:10 -0600

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My father has started having some chest pains in the last couple of days. 

He had bypass surgery 4 years ago and has done well since the surgery. He 

was in Intesive care for 40 days of a total of a 59 day stay. He died many 

times during this episode. I heard one doctor say about 15 times. He had 

electrical burns on his feet from the electro shock they had to give him. 

He cannot survive this again at his age. Even if the surgery went well I do 

not think he could survive. I know if he goes to the cardiologist they will 

use the tools they have to work with. Angioplasty is not something we want 

to do either. It was actually the artery collapsing from the angioplasty 

that gave us all the problems the first time. He has taken Hawthorne berry 

syrup religiously since his surgery and has also taken Cayenne. Today he 

had drank 3 cups of cayenne tea which does help the hurting for a while. I 

would rather him do the tea instead of the nitro as I see him getting more 

benefit from it and it does seem to work better. He is on the standard 

Medication for most bypass patients, digoxin, coumadin,is on one drug that 

might not be so common which is cordirone. I have some Panax ginseng that I 

had ordered from Herbalist and Alchemist that I tinctured but had read some 

where that there might be  a contraindication between that and lanoxin. I 

need to get something that will eat the gunk from his arteries. I have 

Salvia militorrhiza, Hawthorne leaf and flower, Hawthorne berry, Panax 

Ginseng, Lemon Balm tinctured and ready to go. I was always cautious about 

the Salvia with him being on Coumadin. Anyone have any suggestions on 

clearing up the arteries. Maybe some new ideas or some info from someone 

that I have passed by. Thanks folks.      John      jfoster@ebicom.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: angina

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 08:26:12 -0800

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> I have some Panax ginseng that I 

> had ordered from Herbalist and Alchemist that I tinctured but had read some 

> where that there might be  a contraindication between that and lanoxin. I 

> need to get something that will eat the gunk from his arteries. 



Astragalus is the herb of choice, since it boosts the 'zong qi,' the qi of the

chest. By boosting the lungs, the heart is more comfortable.



I sell (and personally use) a formula called An Xin Yi Hao (Peaceful Heart #1),

a formula developed in Chinese hospitals to treat a range of cardiac

conditions. I can certainly recommend it, but it does contain S. miltorrhiza as

a main herb. 



You may not know that extract of this plant is used now in many international

hospitals INSTEAD of nitro, and it is more effective. I cannot speak

authoritatively on the issue of drug interactions (who can?), but I have only

very rarely seen them in any case.



The other herbs in AXYH are instructive, notably sandalwood and myrrh, which

relieve pain and open the peripheral circulation. 



The key herb in the formula and in treating these cases is indeed astragalus,

which additionally reflects a principal often involved in long-term illness,

namely that <illness exhausts the qi>. By only giving pain-relieving and

circulatory herbs, you only treat the symptoms. You must also support the

HEALTHY parts of any chronically ill person. Ginseng, king of health support,

might be very good as well...but rarely or only occasionally as a single herb

in complex cases, and only after a thermodynamic determination is made (the

hot/cold yin/yang axis).



Best to you and your father,



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: angina

From: "Dr. Georges-Louis Friedli" <georges-louis@friedli.com>

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 16:50:05 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Dr. Georges-Louis Friedli" <georges-louis@friedli.com>:



 Anyone have any suggestions on 

>clearing up the arteries. Maybe some new ideas or some info from someone 

>that I have passed by. Thanks folks.      John      jfoster@ebicom.net

>



Hi John,

Chelation therapy is what he needs.

Call:

1. American Board of Chelation Therapy

(312) 266-7246



2. American College of Advancement in Medicine

(714) 583-7666



I think you have done some good research. The herbs you have are the right

ones for the job. I totally agree with you, what is required is removal of

those plaques in the arteries. This is where chelation therapy comes in.

After the therapy, he needs to change his life style and eating habits

otherwise the plaques will build up again. It is just like a water pipe

clogged with calcium carbonate when  hard water is used. Soft water will

not clog pipes.



I will also give him a soothing massage to relax his nerves.



Louis

Georges-Louis Friedli, PhD, MSc, PgD.

http://www.friedli.com

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/louis





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: numb feet - poor circulation?

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 13:29:56 -0600

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I have a 67 year friend who takes Hawthorn Berry Capsules (480mg) three

times a day,  CoQ10, Gingko Biloba, and a mild duiretic by prescription

(dont know the name of it.).  She also takes a multi vitamin that the

doctor recommended.



This person had congestive heart failure 8 months ago due to a very

enlarged liver (from drinking).  The cardiologist had her on high blood

pressure medicine before the congestive heart failure happened.  Once in

the hospital, he ran her thru a series of strong diuretics, limited her

fluid intake, changed her blood pressure medicine and monitored her very

close.  She was out of the hospital in 4 days!  She has not touched a drop

since, and with the doctors help, I gave her Hawthorn berries until he told

her she no longer needed her blood pressure medicine.   Now she just takes

a very mild diuretic (prescription) and the above mentioned herbal

supplements.  She took St. Johns Wort without conferring with either one of

us and thought it made her sick so I told her to quit taking it and the

sick part went away. (yes, I scolded her for that!).  She took it because

even though she has been real positive about the not drinking part, she had

a bit of struggle with depression.



Okay, now the problem.  She has always had a little varicose vein problem,

but now her ankles are practically purple (not the skin, just the vein

part) and she says that her feet are numbish.  If she rubs her feet she

says they tingle.  I tried to get her to go back to her DR. but she says

she mentioned it on the last visit and he didn't do anything and her next

checkup is in 3 months.   



Now the Question:  Is there anything I can give her or do for her that

won't conflict with what she is already taking?  Would hydrotherapy be an

option?  Aren't varicose veins treated internally?  



Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Marcia Wilson

Journeywoman Herbalist







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Subject: Re: numb feet - poor circulation?

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:48:04 -0800

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> Okay, now the problem.  She has always had a little varicose vein problem,

> but now her ankles are practically purple (not the skin, just the vein

> part) and she says that her feet are numbish.



Fairly high dose Vitamin C (with rutin, bioflavonoids, or something like

Butcher's Broom) is fundamental to treatment in such cases. 



With any case associated with alcoholism, you have to presume deep nutritional

deficiencies. Numbness is a potential sign of deep ascorbate deficiency.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: numb feet - poor circulation?

From: MPAcord <MPAcord@concentric.net>

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 14:50:47 -0800

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p_iannone@lamg.com wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

> 

> > Okay, now the problem.  She has always had a little varicose vein problem,

> > but now her ankles are practically purple (not the skin, just the vein

> > part) and she says that her feet are numbish.

> 

> Fairly high dose Vitamin C (with rutin, bioflavonoids, or something like

> Butcher's Broom) is fundamental to treatment in such cases.

> 

> With any case associated with alcoholism, you have to presume deep nutritional

> deficiencies. Numbness is a potential sign of deep ascorbate deficiency.

> 

> Paul

And let's not forget the occasional peripheral neuropathy.

	A Sympathetic MD ;-}>





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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

From: "Deatherage, Geralyn" <GDeather@REGALUSA.COM>

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 11:32:59 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Deatherage, Geralyn" <GDeather@regalusa.com>:



I try to take my Gingko Biloba everyday at work but I keep forgetting.



>





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To: Herb list <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Many thanks

From: jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:12:33 -0600

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I would like to thank everyone who responded to my post on angina. As no 

one out there knows my father you really cannot appreciate what I am going 

to explain. My Father is probably the worst in the world at giving 

information. You can ask him questions trying to figure out what is going 

on and the information you get back is extremely inconsistent, varies in 

answers every 15 minutes, says things like I don't know, ask him if the 

pain was similar  to when he had hurt in the past and he says I cannot 

remember.  After some more questioning today I am beginning to think the 

source of the discomfort is the sternum itself. He said that it was much 

better and hardly noticible. He had told me the pain was always right in 

the middle of his chest. Today he told me though if he touches his sternum 

it is sore there. We just had a weather front move through and the weather 

is damp and cold. I do not know if arthritis can set up in a fixed bone. It 

seems you mostly hear about it in a joint. But I am tending to lean toward 

this as the problem. There is comedy in this if you only knew him. He is 

just like a child a Christmas time ,asking questions about what he might 

get for Christmas. You can even catch him snooping around looking for 

things that are hidden if you try. I am a very lucky individual to have had 

the chance to live long enough and my father being here long enough to come 

around full circle where I can appreciate him at the age I am. I think that 

is something that just comes with a little age. I love him in a way that I 

have never loved him before. That is why I just wanted to thank each and 

everyone of you for giving me information for someone that is very special 

and will always be my father. Thanks  John      jfoster@ebicom.net







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Subject: Re: Many thanks

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Thu, 10 Dec 1998 18:40:01 -0800

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herb@MyList.net,Internet writes:

>Today he told me though if he touches his sternum 

>it is sore there. We just had a weather front move through and the weather 

>is damp and cold. I do not know if arthritis can set up in a fixed bone. It 

>seems you mostly hear about it in a joint. But I am tending to lean toward 

>this as the problem.



I don't want to upset you, but referred pain to the sternum is a >very< common

symptom of cardiopathy. In what is termed a 'closed' patient (one who gives

responses minimally, or inconsistently) it is difficult to sort things out, but

I would caution against trying to make the illness conform with the patient's

description in such cases.



Best,



Paul





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Subject: Richters HerbLetter 98/11/30

From: Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 06:29:20 -0700 (MST)

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-----------------------  Richters HerbLetter  -------------------------

  Published by:   Richters, Specializing in the World of Herbs

                  Goodwood, Ontario L0C 1A0, Canada

  Editor:         Conrad Richter <conrad@richters.com>

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Date: 98/11/30      



Contents

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1.  Canadian House of Commons Committee Recommends Overhaul of Natural

Health Products Regulation

2.  Cranberry's Healing Powers Isolated

3.  Kava Sales Intoxicating Fiji's Farmers

4.  Ethiopia Relies on Medicinal Plants for Primary Health Care

5.  Herb Business News

------------------------------------------------------------------------

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1.  Canadian House of Commons Committee Recommends Overhaul of Natural

Health Products Regulation

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By Conrad Richter



    A Canadian House of Commons report recommends an overhaul of natural

products regulation.  The Standing Committee on Health, chaired by Joseph

Volpe, released its final report to the Minister of Health containing 53

recommendations for revamping the way natural health products, including

herbs and herbal products, are regulated in Canada.



    After a year during which the Standing Committee heard from hundreds

of stakeholders from industry, government, interest groups and the public,

the Committee concluded that the 1952 Foods and Drug Act fails to

adequately address the growing sale and use of natural health products.

The Committee noted that while the Act is comprised of only 20 pages,

there are over 500 pages of accompanying regulations which have never been

subject to parliamentary scrutiny.

 

    The report calls for the government to consider restructuring the

Health Protection Branch, carving out a new regulatory authority for

natural health products.  The new directorate would be staffed by people

agreeable to both the HPB and the industry, and it would be guided by an

independent Expert Advisory Committee. 



    Among other key recommendations include permitting expanded health

claims on packages, and broadening the range of evidence accepted for

them, developing a system of monographs as a basis for product licensing,

reviewing the Schedule A diseases for which no claims are presently

permitted on herb products, and reviewing the HPB's contentious proposals

for Good Manufacturing Practices and for cost recovery.  There are also

calls for more consistent enforcement in the marketplace, the development

of an appeal process, exemptions for medicines compounded specially by

herbal practitioners and aboriginal healers for individual patients, and

continuation of the personal importation rule that allows imports of

unlicensed products.



    Although the report contains recommendations which, if implemented,

could lead to a radical restructuring of natural health product regulation

in Canada, the Minister of Health, Allan Rock, is under no obligation to

adopt any of the recommendations.  Even if changes are implemented, there

is no guarantee that the proposed new regulatory body would not be

controlled by the same people who are running the present Foods and

Therapeutic Products Directorates.  There are many who are concerned by

past bias shown by the HPB against herbs, and some suggest that the

recommendations will lead to little real change.



    [The entire report is available on the web at

http://www.parl.gc.ca/InfoComDoc/HEAL/Studies/Reports/healrp02-e.htm]



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2.  Cranberry's Healing Powers Isolated

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 09:56:15 CST

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To herb@MyList.net from thimbleberry@juno.com (T B):



Glancing at the mail this month, I see that the herb of my quest is 

being discussed.  (About this time last year, on another list, I 

posed some questions which were never fully answered, and I'vee been 

too busy since to recap them for this list.)



David Shaenfield <dshaen@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu> wrote:



> I have a bag of mugwort. 

> Is it supposed to be ingested or smoked?



HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress) replied:



> It's got no hallucinogenic properties, if that's what you're asking.



rkb5795 <rkb5795@earthlink.net> countered:



> Hello, David - actually the smoking idea is not too far offtrack.



Todd Luger <herb-t@SpiritOne.com> added:



> Research shows that one of the components is borneol, which may

> exert some of its effects through direct smoke inhalation during 

> moxibustion therapy.



What I had found was that smoking low quality mugwort with a lot of 

stem material had more of a "high/euphoriant" type effect than 

smoking high quality leaf-only product (which looks like green 

cotton).



(As I haven't smoked tobacco or marijuana, I can't say how it 

compares.)



Smoking wormwood and sage didn't have the desired effect, so I 

figured the active principle wasn't the thujone.  I dug through the 

phytochemical databases, but didn't find any quick answer there.  

Susanne Fischer-Rizzi, in her book _Medicine of the Earth: legends, 

recipes, remedies, and cultivation of healing plants_, says "the 

powdered root is stronger than than tea prepared from the herb".



What I've found with a little bit of research is that the better 

herb houses strive to sell mugwort *without* the stems.  (Which may 

explain why those who buy some to smoke don't experience any 

effect.)  My quest is to find a high quality herb house that sells

the *whole* herb, not the stripped off leaf material.



As a comparison of the quality between two of my sources, the 

mugwort that had the effect looked like green straw, with very 

little odor.  The good quality product had such a strong odor that 

even the plastic bag and shipping box couldn't contain it.  Yet the 

odorless straw, when smoked, had more of an effect than the 

extremely pungent green cotton.



Growing my own is not an option.  I'd be interested to hear reports 

of the relative effects of smoking the various parts of the home 

grown mugwort, though, to see if my theory is correct.  Also, if 

anyone knows of a good herb supplier who sells the whole mugowrt 

herb as opposed to just the leaf.



Thimbleberry



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:mugwort

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:52:54 -0500

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Thimbleberry,



I know two herb companies that carry mugwort herb, presumably that includes

stems as well as leaves: Frontier (800 786 1388) and Blessed Herbs

(800 489 4372) (nci); there are likely others too.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:49:14 CST

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On Fri, 11 Dec 1998 22:52:54 -0500 tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote:



> I know two herb companies that carry mugwort herb, presumably 

> that includes stems as well as leaves: Frontier and Blessed Herbs



Those two companies are mentioned at the end of an article I had 

planned on posting here about the issue of herbal *quality*.  I've 

found a wide variety of quality in the herbs sold, and while one 

might be aware of the difference in quality of a cookie made by 

Pepperidge Farms vs. Little Debbie, it is not obvious who the high 

quality herbal suppliers are.  (See Re: mugwort - footnote #2.)



The first mentioned company, Pacific Botanicals, has about the 

highest quality herbs I've found, but I've been disappointed with 

Frontier Herbs.



Meanwhile, in Howie's "Herbal Smoking Mixtures" article, on the same 

site as Marianne's found the "Dreamy Mugwort Page", about mugwort he 

says, "These effects are most pronounced with long term exposure to 

the herb. . . .  You may not always experience the subtle effects 

with one joint." One has to keep a log, since the cumulative effects 

might need days to show up.



Right now, with the high quality green cottony mugwort, I've gottem 

some strong nervine effects, but only after a *combination* of 

smoking it and drinking it as tea, it seems, not just one way alone.

(Its going to take a few more weeks to really pinpoint whether the 

method or accumulation is the key factor.)



Thimbleberry



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: New: Northwest US pics on my site...

From: HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress)

Date: Fri, 11 Dec 1998 16:52:39 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



go have a look: http://sunsite.unc.edu/herbmed/pictures/nw.html



92 pics from Oregon and Seattle this summer, added today. If you know your

northwestern US plants try your hand at the unknowns - it's your route to

instant fame, as anyone giving a good ID will get a honorable mention.



Cheers

Henriette

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants, opinions?

From: Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>

Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:05:09 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:



Before I send my letter to Santa Claus, I would like some opinions on

the book "The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants" by Andrew Chevallier

MNIMH, published by Dorling Kindersley. I just quickly browsed it in the

bookstore and it seemed OK to me, but it's also quite expensive (375 FIM

which makes roughly 68 USD).

   Quick browsing revealed that it could indeed be a worthy book for an

experienced novice that I think I am. It seems to have the information I

want. What I'm asking is, is the book's information accurate and is it

thorough enough or deep enough in your opinion?



The variety in our local bookstore is quite limited. I know Santa could

order some great other books from overseas but he doesn't want to go

through that hassle because he's busy enough with the other children's

wishes. (You know, Santa is the conservative kind of guy who doesn't

have a credit card, and without a credit card it really can be a hassle

ordering anything from overseas.)

   Lots of thanks in advance for your input.



-Miikkali Leppihalme - mii@media.edu.hel.fi





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants, opinions?

From: "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>

Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 12:21:05 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Maureen Hicks" <rotty4me@tdstelme.net>:



I have the book & payed about $30 USd for it. I got it through Barnes &

Noble on the internet. It is a good informative book, but in my opinion

gives only limited info on eahc herb. Also a large portion of the herbs are

listed in the back of the book with even less info.

Maureen









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants, opinions?

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 17:58:27 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Gee Miikkali, it would almost be worth coming over here and buying it

yourself.  I paid $14 US for it and really enjoy it.  But I'm not sure I

would have felt the same way if it cost $68.



Come visit us and see the plants in person.  Getting the book more

cheaply woule be a side benefit!



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Healing is the art of expressing love for your brothers and sisters in

life.



On Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:05:09 +0200 Miikkali Leppihalme

<mii@media.edu.hel.fi> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:

>

>Before I send my letter to Santa Claus, I would like some opinions on

>the book "The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants" by Andrew Chevallier

>MNIMH, published by Dorling Kindersley. I just quickly browsed it in 

>the

>bookstore and it seemed OK to me, but it's also quite expensive (375 

>FIM

>which makes roughly 68 USD).

>   Quick browsing revealed that it could indeed be a worthy book for 

>an

>experienced novice that I think I am. It seems to have the information 

>I

>want. What I'm asking is, is the book's information accurate and is it

>thorough enough or deep enough in your opinion?

>

>The variety in our local bookstore is quite limited. I know Santa 

>could

>order some great other books from overseas but he doesn't want to go

>through that hassle because he's busy enough with the other children's

>wishes. (You know, Santa is the conservative kind of guy who doesn't

>have a credit card, and without a credit card it really can be a 

>hassle

>ordering anything from overseas.)

>   Lots of thanks in advance for your input.

>

>-Miikkali Leppihalme - mii@media.edu.hel.fi

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:  The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants, opinions?

From: MajickLady@aol.com

Date: Sun, 13 Dec 1998 19:24:12 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from MajickLady@aol.com:



I also own the book (at quite less than the price you quote) and feel there

are both good and bad points to adding it to one's library. I suppose the best

way to answer your question is with a question. What other reference material

do you already own? Knowing that piece of information would help to better

advise you.



Dianna





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: The Encyclopedia of Medicinal Plants, opinions?

From: Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 09:01:52 +0200

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To herb@MyList.net from Miikkali Leppihalme <mii@media.edu.hel.fi>:



MajickLady@aol.com wrote:

> 

> What other reference material do you already own? Knowing that 

> piece of information would help to better advise you.



I have a good book to help me ID plants, so I don't need too much of

that stuff (although one picture per plant would be nice). I have some

books that deal mostly with traditional Scandinavian medicinal uses. I

have one pretty thick book that tries to tell everything about plants

and health and thus can't be very deep. Errr, I really shouldn't go

through my bookshelf here, but what I think I want from this book is

this: 



1) plant names in both Latin and English, 

2) which part to harvest (for medicine), 

3) when to harvest, 

4) modes of action (just a list like "this particular plant is

carminative, tonic, astringent and hypoallergenic"), 

5) suggestions on what conditions can be treated with a particular plant

or information on traditional uses or both, 

6) information on growing habits (just something so that I know if it is

a good or a bad idea to try to grow a particular plant outdoors in "zone

freezer" where I live.)



The book should cover plants that grow in Europe. I like the idea of

collecting my medicine from local woods and meadows. 

   I understand that this book covers 100 "key plants" and more than 450

"other plants" and the "key plants" get the most attention. I don't mind

this approach, as long as I can agree on what the "key plants" are and

what aren't. Maybe I will go downtown to the bookstore again and see

about that.



-Miikkali





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To: "        -         (052)herb(a)MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Arnica

From: doris_aldridge@campbellsoup.com

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:54:39 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from doris_aldridge@campbellsoup.com:





     >>

     Not a great mind just a good Memory. I have read numerous times of

     terrible

     sprains being relieved with arnica poultices or salve. <<



     Would this work for inflammations as well.  I have plantar fasciitis

     from running and wonder if this salve would help alleviate the

     soreness.





     Doris











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Arnica

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 16:19:03 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 07:54:39 -0500, doris_aldridge@campbellsoup.com wrote to "

-         (052)herb(a)MyList.net" <herb@MyList.net>:



>     Not a great mind just a good Memory. I have read numerous times of

>     terrible

>     sprains being relieved with arnica poultices or salve. <<

>

>     Would this work for inflammations as well.  I have plantar fasciitis

>     from running and wonder if this salve would help alleviate the

>     soreness.



I woulnd't do Arnica with active inflammation. I'd use anti-inflammatories for

that, eg. balm of gilead oil.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Arnica

From: Dfwlmbrt@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:19:31 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Dfwlmbrt@aol.com:



>  I have plantar fasciitis

>       from running and wonder if this salve would help alleviate the

>       soreness.



Try grape seed extract, taken internally....good for all kinds of soft tissue

injuries....also drinking kombucha is good for this kind of thing.  New

member, been lurking a while.



Dave Lambert





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Arnica

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:09:37 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:





-



>     sprains being relieved with arnica poultices or salve. <<

>

>     Would this work for inflammations as well.  I have plantar fasciitis

>     from running and wonder if this salve would help alleviate the

>     soreness.

I've had good results with a combination of acupuncture, calcium/magnesium

supplements and mullein compress (mullein, lobelia, capsicum, vinegar).  A 1

hr. compress is helpful for several days.  Extra calcium makes a huge

difference.  Make sure it is an absorbable calcium such as citrate,

colloidal, etc.







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Arnica

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 08:13:51 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:







>Try grape seed extract, taken internally....good for all kinds of soft

tissue

>injuries....also drinking kombucha is good for this kind of thing.  New

>member, been lurking a while.

This is not particularly effective for plantar fasciitis.  There are other

more effective treatments.  Beware of the popular injections of cortisone

which mask symptoms and can actually increase the problem.  I am convinced

that this problem can be the result of calcium deficiency.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Arnica

From: oinonenehren@macalester.edu

Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:36:40 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from oinonenehren@macalester.edu:



Also important w plantar fasciitis:  make sure you stretch those feet,

especially during days off from running.  Things tighten while they heal,

so if you rest and don't stretch, then run (or whatever) on healed but

supertight feet it is very easy to reinjure.  This is true of all athletic

injuries, but this one in particular. Gentle gradual stretching daily plus

daily massage with that tigerbalm-oid ointment (that someone posted to the

list months ago, it is probably in the list archives or the FAQ's

somewhere) and I am running again, but not without stretch & massage...



On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 Dfwlmbrt@aol.com wrote:

> >  I have plantar fasciitis

> >       from running and wonder if this salve would help alleviate the

> >       soreness.

> Try grape seed extract, taken internally....good for all kinds of soft tissue

> injuries....also drinking kombucha is good for this kind of thing.  New

> member, been lurking a while.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort - footnote #1

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:08:44 CST

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To herb@MyList.net from thimbleberry@juno.com (T B):



Putting the PhytochemDB table into a database and doing a crosstab 

by part yields (set your mail reader to a monospace font):



Phytochemicals of Artemisia vulgaris (Mugwort)



Chemical                                Flower Leaf  Plant Root Shoot

----------------------------------------- ---- ----- ----- ---- -----

1,8-CINEOLE                              |    |     |  x  |    |    |

3-BETA-HYDROXYURS-12-EN-27,28-DIONIC-ACID|    |     |  x  |    |    |

5,3'-DIHYDROXY-3,7,4'TRIMETHOXYFLAVONE   |    |     |  x  |    |    |

7,8-METHYLENEDIOXY-9-METHOXYCOUMARIN     |    |     |  x  |    |    |

ADENINE                                  |    |     |  x  |    |    |

ALPHA-AMYRIN                             |    |     |  x  |    |    |

ALPHA-AMYRIN-ACETATE                     |    |     |  x  |    |    |

ALPHA-CADINOL                            |    |     |  x  |    |    |

ALPHA-PINENE                             |    |     |  x  |    |    |

ALPHA-THUJONE                            |    |     |  x  |    |    |

ARSENIC                                  |    |     |  x  |    |    |

ARTEMISIKETONE                           |    |     |     | x  |    |

ASCORBIC-ACID                            |    |  x  |     |    |    |

ASH                                      |    |  x  |     |    |    |

BARIUM                                   |    |     |  x  |    |    |

BETA-CADINOL                             |    |     |  x  |    |    |

BETA-CAROTENE                            |    |  x  |     |    |    |

BETA-PINENE                              |    |     |  x  |    |    |

BETA-SITOSTEROL                          |    |     |  x  |    |    |

BORNEOL                                  |    |     |  x  |    |    |

BROMINE                                  |    |     |  x  |    |    |

CADINENOL                                |    |     |  x  |    |    |

CALCIUM                                  |    |  x  |  x  |    | x  |

CARBOHYDRATES                            |    |  x  |     |    |    |

CHLORINE                                 |    |     |  x  |    |    |

CHOLINE                                  |    |  x  |     |    |    |

CHROMIUM                                 |    |     |  x  |    |    |

CIS-DEHYDROMATRICARIA-ESTER              | x  |     |     | x  |    |

COPPER                                   |    |     |  x  |    |    |

EO                                       |    |     |  x  | x  |    |

FAT                                      |    |  x  |     |    |    |

FERNENOL                                 |    |     |  x  |    |    |

FIBER                                    |    |  x  |     |    |    |

GAMMA-CADINOL                            |    |     |  x  |    |    |

HEPTADECA-1,7,9-TRIENE-11,13,15-TRIYNE   | x  |     |     |    |    |

INULIN                                   |    |     |     | x  |    |

IODINE                                   |    |     |  x  |    |    |

IRON                                     |    |  x  |  x  |    |    |

KILOCALORIES                             |    |  x  |     |    |    |

LEAD                                     |    |     |  x  |    |    |

LINALOOL                                 |    |     |  x  |    |    |

LINALYL-ACETATE                          |    |     |  x  |    |    |

MAGNESIUM                                |    |     |     |    | x  |

MANGANESE                                |    |     |  x  |    |    |

MOLYBDENUM                               |    |     |  x  |    |    |

MUUROLOL                                 |    |     |  x  |    |    |

MYRCENE                                  |    |     |  x  |    |    |

NEROL                                    |    |     |  x  |    |    |

NERYL-ACETATE                            |    |     |  x  |    |    |

NIACIN                                   |    |  x  |     |    |    |

NICKEL                                   |    |     |  x  |    |    |

PHOSPHORUS                               |    |  x  |  x  |    | x  |

POTASSIUM                                |    |     |  x  |    | x  |

PROTEIN                                  |    |  x  |     |    | x  |

QUEBRACHITOL                             |    |     |  x  |    |    |

QUERCETIN-3-GLUCOSIDE                    |    |     |  x  |    |    |

QUERCETIN-3-RHAMNOGLUCOSIDE              |    |     |  x  |    |    |

RIBOFLAVIN                               |    |  x  |     |    |    |

RUBIDIUM                                 |    |     |  x  |    |    |

SPATHULENOL                              |    |     |  x  |    |    |

STIGMASTEROL                             |    |     |  x  |    |    |

STRONTIUM                                |    |     |  x  |    |    |

SULFUR                                   |    |     |  x  |    |    |

TAUREMISIN                               |    |     |  x  |    |    |

TETRACOSANOL                             |    |     |  x  |    |    |

TETRADEC-6-EN-8,10,12-TRIYNE-1-ONE       |    |     |     | x  |    |

TETRADECA-4,6-DIENE-8,10,12-TRIYNE-1-OL  |    |     |     | x  |    |

TETRADECA-6-ENE-8,10,12-TRIYNE-3-ONE     |    |     |     | x  |    |

THIAMIN                                  |    |  x  |     |    |    |

TITANIUM                                 |    |     |  x  |    |    |

TRANS-DEHYDROMATRICARIA-ESTER            |    |     |     | x  |    |

TRIDECA-1,3,5-TRIENE-7,9,11-TRIYNE       |    |     |     | x  |    |

VULGARIN                                 |    |     |  x  |    |    |

VULGAROL                                 | x  |     |     |    |    |

VULGAROLE                                |    |     |  x  |    |    |

WATER                                    |    |  x  |     |    |    |

ZINC                                     |    |     |  x  |    |    |



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The raw data itself:



PhytochemDB Table maker: Phytochemicals of Artemisia vulgaris



*Part: P = Plant   R = Root   L = Leaf   S = Shoot   F = Flower



==========================================+===+=========+========+=========+

                Chemical                  | * | Amount  |  Low   |  High 

 |

                                          |   |  (ppm)  | (ppm)  |  (ppm)

 |

==========================================+===+=========+========+=========+

1,8-CINEOLE                               | P |         |        |       

 |

3-BETA-HYDROXYURS-12-EN-27,28-DIONIC-ACID | P |         |        |       

 |

5,3'-DIHYDROXY-3,7,4'TRIMETHOXYFLAVONE    | P |         |        |       

 |

7,8-METHYLENEDIOXY-9-METHOXYCOUMARIN      | P |         |        |       

 |

ADENINE                                   | P |         |        |       

 |

ALPHA-AMYRIN                              | P |         |        |       

 |

ALPHA-AMYRIN-ACETATE                      | P |         |        |       

 |

ALPHA-CADINOL                             | P |         |        |       

 |

ALPHA-PINENE                              | P |         |        |       

 |

ALPHA-THUJONE                             | P |         |        |       

 |

ARSENIC                                   | P |         |        |       

 |

ARTEMISIKETONE                            | R |         |        |       

 |

ASCORBIC-ACID                             | L |         |    720 |  

5,670 |

ASH                                       | L |         | 22,000 |

173,220 |

BARIUM                                    | P |         |     27 |     

50 |

BETA-CADINOL                              | P |         |        |       

 |

BETA-CAROTENE                             | L |         |     21 |    

168 |

BETA-PINENE                               | P |         |        |       

 |

BETA-SITOSTEROL                           | P |         |        |       

 |

BORNEOL                                   | P |         |        |       

 |

BROMINE                                   | P |         |     12 |     

38 |

CADINENOL                                 | P |         |        |       

 |

CALCIUM                                   | L |         |    820 |  

6,455 |

CALCIUM                                   | P |         |  8,000 | 

11,000 |

CALCIUM                                   | S |   8,600 |        |       

 |

CARBOHYDRATES                             | L |         | 45,000 |

354,330 |

CHLORINE                                  | P |         |  7,900 | 

11,000 |

CHOLINE                                   | L |         |        |       

 |

CHROMIUM                                  | P |         |     11 |     

22 |

CIS-DEHYDROMATRICARIA-ESTER               | F |         |        |       

 |

CIS-DEHYDROMATRICARIA-ESTER               | R |         |    8.5 |   

13.3 |

COPPER                                    | P |         |     18 |     

20 |

EO                                        | P |         |    260 |  

2,000 |

EO                                        | R |   1,000 |        |       

 |

FAT                                       | L |         |  8,000 | 

63,000 |

FERNENOL                                  | P |         |        |       

 |

FIBER                                     | L |         | 34,000 |

267,700 |

GAMMA-CADINOL                             | P |         |        |       

 |

HEPTADECA-1,7,9-TRIENE-11,13,15-TRIYNE    | F |    10.9 |        |       

 |

INULIN                                    | R | 100,000 |        |       

 |

IODINE                                    | P |         |        |       

 |

IRON                                      | L |         |     15 |    

118 |

IRON                                      | P |         |  1,200 |  

3,900 |

KILOCALORIES                              | L |         |    350 |  

2,755 |

LEAD                                      | P |         |        |       

 |

LINALOOL                                  | P |         |        |       

 |

LINALYL-ACETATE                           | P |         |        |       

 |

MAGNESIUM                                 | S |   2,700 |        |       

 |

MANGANESE                                 | P |         |    160 |    

170 |

MOLYBDENUM                                | P |         |        |       

 |

MUUROLOL                                  | P |         |        |       

 |

MYRCENE                                   | P |         |        |       

 |

NEROL                                     | P |         |        |       

 |

NERYL-ACETATE                             | P |         |        |       

 |

NIACIN                                    | L |         |     30 |    

235 |

NICKEL                                    | P |         |        |       

 |

PHOSPHORUS                                | L |         |    400 |  

3,150 |

PHOSPHORUS                                | P |         |    270 |    

700 |

PHOSPHORUS                                | S |   1,900 |        |       

 |

POTASSIUM                                 | P |         | 31,400 | 

41,000 |

POTASSIUM                                 | S |  22,000 |        |       

 |

PROTEIN                                   | L |         | 52,000 |

409,450 |

PROTEIN                                   | S | 114,000 |        |       

 |

QUEBRACHITOL                              | P |         |        |       

 |

QUERCETIN-3-GLUCOSIDE                     | P |         |        |       

 |

QUERCETIN-3-RHAMNOGLUCOSIDE               | P |         |        |       

 |

RIBOFLAVIN                                | L |         |    1.6 |     

13 |

RUBIDIUM                                  | P |      19 |        |       

 |

SPATHULENOL                               | P |         |        |       

 |

STIGMASTEROL                              | P |         |        |       

 |

STRONTIUM                                 | P |         |     28 |     

50 |

SULFUR                                    | P |         |  2,300 |  

2,800 |

TAUREMISIN                                | P |         |        |       

 |

TETRACOSANOL                              | P |         |        |       

 |

TETRADEC-6-EN-8,10,12-TRIYNE-1-ONE        | R |         |        |       

 |

TETRADECA-4,6-DIENE-8,10,12-TRIYNE-1-OL   | R |     1.2 |        |       

 |

TETRADECA-6-ENE-8,10,12-TRIYNE-3-ONE      | R |    17.4 |        |       

 |

THIAMIN                                   | L |         |    1.5 |     

12 |

TITANIUM                                  | P |         |    130 |    

290 |

TRANS-DEHYDROMATRICARIA-ESTER             | R |     1.4 |        |       

 |

TRIDECA-1,3,5-TRIENE-7,9,11-TRIYNE        | R |    0.05 |        |       

 |

VULGARIN                                  | P |         |        |       

 |

VULGAROL                                  | F |         |        |       

 |

VULGAROLE                                 | P |         |        |       

 |

WATER                                     | L | 873,000 |        |       

 |

ZINC                                      | P |         |     50 |     

90 |

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Subject: Re: mugwort - intro to footnote #2

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:20:59 CST

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(My original send of footnote #2 bounced, so this is just the beginning

of it.)



FOOTNOTE #2 - DR. SCHULZE COMMENTS ON HERB QUALITY



Small *excerpts* of the whole article can be found at:



   http://www.inetme.com/iom/team/herb-q.html

   http://www.healthfree.com/schulze/crusade/messagesch.htm



(The article itself is not on the web.)



Excerpts of other important points follow:



 ---------------------- b e g i n -----------------------



SCHULZE: I have seen disgraces even with big-name national products.



For example, companies will put infinitesimal amounts of many herbs 

in a formula because it makes a product sell. In the industry they 

call it 'fairy dust'. I have seen formulas where 99% of the formula 

was one herb and only 1% of the formula was the other 30-40 herbs in 

the formula.



You'd get just as much out of it if you just yelled the name of the 

herb at the bottle. There's nothing in there. There's a bowel 

product on the market that says that it contains psyllium seeds, 

plus cascara-sagrada and barberry? Those are two very bitter herbs. 

This doesn't taste bitter at all. It says it contains cayenne. But 

there is no heat whatsoever and you can dilute cayenne a thousand 

times and it's still hot. Ican detect no garlic odor whatsoever, and 

this is one of the #1 selling bowel-cleansing products in America. 

It says it contains garlic, cayenne, golden seal, barberry cascara- 

sagrada and there's only one thing in it - and that psyllium seeds.



Many herbal products hailed as some of the best range from poor down 

to totally impotent. I've personally tested them, and in most, I 

can't detect any herb activity at all.



BISER: Well, what do you mean, "detect'? You are not a chemist.



SCHULZE: That doesn't matter, and you'll see why. First of all, some 

of these products have actually been chemically checked and found to 

contain none of the chemicals that would be in the herb in this 

formula.



But there's another problem that's easy to spot: they don't smell, 

taste and look like they should. Many herbs are what we call a 

'signature" in herbal pharmacy In other words, cayenne is hot, 

peppermint takes like mint.



My great teacher, the late Dr. Christopher, used to say that herbs 

should have extreme amounts of these chemical products in them, but 

that in addition, any product that contains those, like a tincture, 

should even be accentuated beyond what an herb contains.



Dr. Christopher always said that one or two drops of a good tincture 

should equal a whole teaspoon or tablespoon of those herbs if you 

made an herb tea out of it. But nowadays, I can't even detect 

anything.



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Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 12:52:08 CST

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To clarify the context of my mugwort posts, I should say that it 

became my favorite in the course of research into the so-called 

"legal highs".



The bigger picture would have to define the boundary between simple 

mood altering via caffeine, tobacco, and small amounts of alcohol, 

vs. full-blown "highs" from strong drugs.  I've found many useful, 

helpful, effects from herbs that are purported to cause a "high".



On the practical side, the biggest factor in whether or not a 

particular herb "does something" is *quality*.  Usually only the 

best quality herbs have an effect.  That is why two people comparing 

notes might have wildly different experiences from the same herb.



The other factor is form.  As I've seen explained by Michael Moore 

and Karen S Vaughan, the essential components may only be available 

in certain forms, and maybe a combination is needed.  One herb may 

work best as a tea, another in a tincture, and some even smoked.  

And, like Howie Brounstein explained about mugwort, some need to be 

used over a period of time before they have a desired effect.



So it's not easy to find meaningful discussion of the topic.  Its in 

a niche that neither the drug crowd nor legitimate herbalists take 

seriously.





Thimbleberry



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Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:25:45 -0900

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>The bigger picture would have to define the boundary between simple

>mood altering via caffeine, tobacco, and small amounts of alcohol,

>vs. full-blown "highs" from strong drugs.



There is no boundary just different properties.



I've found many useful,

>helpful, effects from herbs that are purported to cause a "high".



Not surprising.  Too many people do not take into account spiritual (e.g.

spirit of the plant) properties.  IMHO, herbs that cause "high's" as people

call them are strong in spirit altering properties. Meaning that the spirit

of the plant interacts with the spirit of the person using it.  Hence

addictions whether physical or psychological.  Yes there are chemical

reactions but one cannot remove spirit from physical.  There are many terms

used that could be used synonymously  with spirit , essence, whatever,

depending on your point of view and education.  ALL plants have medicinal

properties.



>

>On the practical side, the biggest factor in whether or not a

>particular herb "does something" is *quality*.  Usually only the

>best quality herbs have an effect.  That is why two people comparing

>notes might have wildly different experiences from the same herb.



It may not be the herb that makes the experiences different.  It can also be

the differences in physiology of the persons using the herb.



>snip<

>So it's not easy to find meaningful discussion of the topic.  Its in

>a niche that neither the drug crowd nor legitimate herbalists take

>seriously.



I think herbalists DO take it seriously.  The drug crowd only has one

purpose--"how do I get high".  Herbalists (good ones) will look at the herb

very differently.  You will find this discussion termed very differently

depending on the school of the herbalist. For example, Chinese will look at

it very differently from a Thompsonian herbalist. It is dangerous to begin a

talk on herbal "high's" on this list.  That is a flame war in the making.









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Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:31:46 CST

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On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:25:45 -0900 "Anita Hales"

<Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net> wrote:



[...]



> of the plant interacts with the spirit of the person using it.  Hence

> addictions whether physical or psychological.  Yes there are chemical

> reactions but one cannot remove spirit from physical.  



Also people have differing levels of brain chemistry health.  One 

author pointed out that the widespread "need" for Prozac indicated

a widespread serotonin deficiency.



And, people have differing spiritual levels and psychological health.



Thimbleberry



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Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: Dfwlmbrt@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:25:47 EST

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>  So it's not easy to find meaningful discussion of the topic.  Its in 

>  a niche that neither the drug crowd nor legitimate herbalists take 

>  seriously.

>  

This is an interesting topic, one which I am sure a large number of people

have wondered about.  I've been an occasional catnip/lactuca smoker for years.

Hope to see more along these lines!



Dave Lambert





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Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:23:41 CST

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On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:25:47 EST Dfwlmbrt@aol.com wrote:



[...]

 

> This is an interesting topic, one which I am sure a large number of 

> people have wondered about.  I've been an occasional catnip/lactuca

> smoker for years.



So far I've only tried what I would call "low" and "medium" quality

catnip,

and  would need to order some from the better sources to do further 

testing.  One self-experiment suggested that the *tincture* might be 

more effective.



What *brands* have you found to be the best?



(I'm aware of the infamous picture switch regarding this plant that got

the whole human-high issue going.)



Thimbleberry



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Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 17:26:47 CST

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On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 15:36:20 -0600 "Boyer, Rachael" 

<rboyer@crystal.cirrus.com> wrote:



>  It is dangerous to begin a  talk on herbal "high's" on this list. 

> That is a flame war in the making



That's why I'm clarifying that it is the milder, productive, effects

I'm interested in, as opposed to the "stoned" variety.



Thimbleberry



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Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:19:15 CST

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This is a very brief recap of the herbs I've experimented with so 

far: calamus, catnip, damiana, hops, mugwort, nutmeg, valerian, and 

wormwood.  (I have extensive notes in my log files, for those who 

would want to compare, either publicly or privately.)



In my pre-Internet BBS days (early 90s), I came across the 1973 

"Legal Highs" text file by the "20th Century Alchemist" at a time 

where I was looking for an alternative to alcohol anyway.  

Fortunately, the first supplier I used had *very* high quality 

herbs, so I had many interesting results.  Later purchases were from 

low and medium quality suppliers.  And, I didn't start smoking any 

of them until much later into my research.



During the last year or so, I did some more academic type research, 

with the following books:

   

   _Heinerman's Encyclopedia of healing herbs and spices_, John 

   Heinerman, (c) 1996



   _Pharmacotheon: Entheogenic drugs, their plant sources and 

   history_, Jonathan Ott, (second edition densified), (c) 1996



   _The Honest Herbal_, Varro E. Tyler, (c) 1993



Heinerman repeats some misinformation, but has some interesting 

views.  Tyler seems to have written his book as a refutation of 

"Legal Highs".  Ott's book is a well regarded, very thoroughly 

researched reference.



CALAMUS is very interesting.  The first few teas I made tasted good, 

but after a bad food combination reaction I wound up gagging at even 

the smell of it.  Years later, I read that it can be smoked, and 

plan to do so eventually.  It gives the combination stimulation and 

relaxation "high" that I can perform my job with.



CATNIP seems to have gotten its reputation from that infamous 1969 

JAMA article where, as Ott explains, the "editors switched catnip 

and marihuana captions prompting suspicions the authors confused 

catnip and marijuana in their study.  Heinerman cites it, along with 

a 1976 JAMA article that also mentions catnip.  I've only tested low 

and medium quality product, smoking both, while tincturing only the 

low.  A fair amount of that tincture gave me a multiple day 

experience that was something of a high, somewhat similar to a 

narcotic fog from a Sch. II or III painkiller, along with an alcohol 

type haze, with even some giddiness/tingling sensations.  Yet 

smoking or eating the medium quality herb just has a sedative 

effect.  (Teas didn't do anything.)



DAMIANA turned out to be my favorite stimulant, more mental than 

physical.  Tea form worked fine, while the tincture had no effect.  

At the time when I had the high quality herb I hadn't yet tried 

smoking.  Unfortunately, only the highest quality product "works".  

(The tea needs to look dark green, not gold.)  I didn't notice any 

sexual effects, although I have with other herbs.



HOPS, if of high enough quality, does have a definite effect when 

smoked, if enough of the resin is used.  Even Tyler doesn't dispute 

that, just says that it might not be safe.  I felt more of the 

"sedative-hypnotic" property he wrote about than the purported 

euphoria stemming from its botanical relative, marijuana, which 

spaced me out too much to work.  More insidious, though, was the 

longing it created to want to smoke it again.  I found the tincture 

to be very useful, however.



MUGWORT, if the right constituents are smoked, is my favorite 

euphoriant, giving a sense of well-being and wonderfulness, with no 

mentally impairing side effects.  (It does have a slight aphrodisiac 

effect, though, but in a wholesome way.)  A tea from the high 

quality herb has a nice nervine effect, and a non-obvious mild 

stimulant effect when smoked.



NUTMEG, gives a definite buzz, literally.  I used a recipe from a 

drug site that helped me avoid the well known unpleasant side 

effects.  See footnote #3, in a separate message.



VALERIAN tincture in small milliliter amounts proved to be a very 

effective tranquilizer that helped my mind focus, providing a 

sub-euphoric relaxed state, with a feeling of "sweet warmth".  A 

large dose of the tincture had an effect over several days.



WORMWOOD is dangerous, and indirectly damaged my health.  I tried it 

at a time when I was wondering if the thujone in mugwort was the key 

component I enjoyed, and a very interesting Internet (Mining Co.) 

article about absinthe had also just come out, piquing my curiosity.  

(I smoked it, to have a regulated dose, in the same way that 

cigarets are used rather than tobacco tea, and also to avoid the 

taste issue.)  It is an interesting stimulant, but needs something 

to offset its intensity.  As I can't easily order damiana from the 

one supplier whose product works, I was wondering if it could be an 

alternative.



All this testing takes time, preparing teas, tinctures, and smokes, 

along with taking careful notes, as sometimes the actual effect 

occurs the next day, or after an accumulation or combination.



Thimbleberry



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:00:58 -0500

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Tobacco is a good example of an herb that has deep spiritual, psychoactive,

physical properties when it's burnt. But bringing it into the lungs isn't

the point - the smoke can be both an offering to the spirit world and a

meeting place. The important thing is that its permeating the internal and

external.



Sage, mugwort, myrrh. Lots of others have special spiritual properties when

they're burned. I guess that's why I've always loved Tibetan incense - the

emphasis is on herbs. Sweet and flowery incense doesn't seem as balanced to

me and the effect on the body is quite different.



I would expect that people with different elements predominate in their body

would respond to herbs in different ways. Which makes me wonder if people

with a lot of fire in their systems would benefit more from the smell of

steamed herbs or essential oils. Would smoking be more appropriate for

people with much water or earth?



Pramod



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To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Monday, December 14, 1998 6:33 PM

Subject: Re: mugwort - legal high context





>To herb@MyList.net from thimbleberry@juno.com (T B):

>

>On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 11:25:45 -0900 "Anita Hales"

><Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>

>[...]

>

>> of the plant interacts with the spirit of the person using it.  Hence

>> addictions whether physical or psychological.  Yes there are chemical

>> reactions but one cannot remove spirit from physical.

>

>Also people have differing levels of brain chemistry health.  One

>author pointed out that the widespread "need" for Prozac indicated

>a widespread serotonin deficiency.

>

>And, people have differing spiritual levels and psychological health.

>

>Thimbleberry

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: Dfwlmbrt@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:42:25 EST

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In a message dated 12/14/98 5:34:20 PM Central Standard Time,

thimbleberry@juno.com writes:



> 

>  So far I've only tried what I would call "low" and "medium" quality

>  catnip...What *brands* have you found to be the best?

>  



I've always grown my own.



Dave





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:00:06 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Tobacco is a good example of an herb that has deep spiritual, psychoactive,

> physical properties when it's burnt. But bringing it into the lungs isn't

> the point 



Tell that to the indians. 



There isn't anything 'wrong' with tobacco, or with smoking tobacco. 



What people do with cigarettes is a problem with cigarettes.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: "Rev. Christina Paul" <sekhmet@netins.net>

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 05:58:01 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Rev. Christina Paul" <sekhmet@netins.net>:



At 11:00 PM 12/14/1998 -0800, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

>

>Tell that to the indians. 



>There isn't anything 'wrong' with tobacco, or with smoking tobacco. 

>What people do with cigarettes is a problem with cigarettes.

>Paul





O'siyo:



The problem with how this is being used and the various American Indian

Nations using it, is that it is treated more as a sacrement, and used in a

sacred manner rather than 'recreational'/'habitual' uses.  



I agree with Paul in it is not  tobacco etc that the problem is not so much

the content but the manner in which it is used.



Wa-do!



Christina







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:00:15 -0800

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> Also people have differing levels of brain chemistry health.  One 

> author pointed out that the widespread "need" for Prozac indicated

> a widespread serotonin deficiency.



'Deficiency' should be correctable by SUPPLEMENTATION, whereas here what is

being termed deficiency is actually disorder. 



Doctors have created a drug and are trying to masquerade it as a nutrient. 



In a fully-integrated corporate drug culture, people no longer question the

causes of illness. The cause is obvious (a chemical!), and the treatment

therefore entirely noncontroversial.



A very sinister trend.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:16:26 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Too many people do not take into account spiritual (e.g.

> spirit of the plant) properties.  IMHO, herbs that cause "high's" as people

> call them are strong in spirit altering properties. Meaning that the spirit

> of the plant interacts with the spirit of the person using it.  Hence

> addictions whether physical or psychological. 



Shoehorning reality into language has its flaws. 'Addiction' does not describe

plant-human interactions particularly well. As I believe Duke Ellington said:

"I've been smoking marijuana every day for sixty years, and I haven't become

addicted yet." :-)



People USE plants for a whole bunch of reasons. There is not a single plant on

earth that is 'addictive' in the single dose. And relationships of all sorts,

not just to plants, can be positive, negative, neutral, burdensome,

healthful--a whole bunch of possibilities that may or may not be there for any

person in particular. 



Defy attacks on plants and plant use! In almost all cases, those attacks are

made by NON-USERS, which can otherwise be considered the UNINFORMED.



Daily in this season I have to even DEFEND COCOA, forget about marijuana or

tobacco! It's absurd. The media has oppressed people to the point that they

doubt even the simplest of pleasures.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 23:16:37 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I think herbalists DO take it seriously.  The drug crowd only has one

> purpose--"how do I get high". 



Such a generality is severely limited in its value. The range of people from

jazz musicians to painters to lovers to rocket scientists who use marijuana,

for instance, should put the lie to such an irresponsible characterization.



I figure, when they make stupidity illegal then it will be OK to control the

plant use behaviors of free people. People who are stupidly wasting their

precious lives watching television aren't as vulnerable to prosecution as

people who are smoking plants for some reason or other. 



Why should society care so much about plant use, and so little about

degenerative, sedentary consumerism? Could money be involved? :-)



Soon they will make inattention to the media illegal, and then look out when

you daydream, blow a horn, make love, or produce art. You're breaking the law!



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: Dfwlmbrt@aol.com

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 08:20:21 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from Dfwlmbrt@aol.com:



>  Why should society care so much about plant use, and so little about

>  degenerative, sedentary consumerism? Could money be involved? :-)



This remark in the discussion of marijuana and other psychotropic plants leads

me to point out what I believe is a little known fact.  Up until 1937, when

marijuana prohibition went into effect, no one gave very much thought to the

plant.  It was used mostly by people in the south until a jazz musician named

Mezz Mezrow began bringing it into Harlem.  It was during the 30s that DuPont

Chemical invented a new fiber they called nylon.  The chief obstacle to

marketing this new fiber was the fact that its market niche was already

occupied by hemp.  DuPont spent the better part of a decade whipping up public

drug hysteria and lobbying in Washington to have the plant made illegal.  The

rest is history, of course, depriving our country alone of the best fiber for

rope and paper, medicinal and nutritional products.  Not even nylon makes rope

that is as good for maritime applications as hemp.  Paper money made from hemp

lasts three times as long as the cotton-linen combo used by the U.S.  



Today's history lesson, courtesy of the now-middle-aged hippy generation.



Dave Lambert







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 12:21:18 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> What I meant was that although tobacoo is taken into the lungs during a

> sacred ceremony it's not cause someone needs a nicotine fix. Its part of a

> establishing a two way conversation with the spirit world.



Ah. Pardon my mistaking. You're talking about cigarettes, not tobacco.



I would hasten to point out, however, that ALL plant use is a 'conversation'

with the (plant) spirit world.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 17:20:54 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Cigarettes??? I wasn't referring to cigarettes at all.



If you are decrying 'needing a nicotine fix,' then you are for sure talking

about cigarette use. No one I am aware of smokes cigars or a pipe for a

'nicotine fix,' nor do I really think people smoke cigarettes for the 'flavor.'

 

> I was talking about tobacco gathered with the appropriate rituals and smoked

> in a ceremonial manner by specially trained people using a special pipe. In

> this case the pipe-bearer is explicitly aware of his side of the

> conversation.



I am aware of the pipe-carrying tradition. My only point in relation to what

you have said about that is that ANY plant association is a ceremonial

encounter with a living intelligence. I don't pretend that we can discuss the

Buffalo Calf Woman on the herb list.



> Its not quite the same thing as someone throwing a herb teabag into a pot of

> water. 



Maybe not, but it is not quite NOT the same thing, either.  



>Perhaps this is also a conversation with the spirit world but if

> that's true one party in the conversation may or may not be talking in their

> sleep.



Again, the distinctions appropriate to sacred pipe usage and carrying are

nothing I want to try to delve into, not least of the reasons being that

so-called native cultures are always being plundered for such details. 



But I think you underrate plant users and plant specialists. Yes, people are

rarely aware enough. But that is not the plant's fault, so in the right hands

ANY plant relationship is 'communication'---and that is even true if the

personality of the human user is caught up in a noisy life where they can't

'hear' their teabag talking. 



All of us have watched people change when they take their dose of herbs; they

become more interior, usually, and are often visibly 'receiving' a communique,

even if they don't have the expertise to decode it, and simply say they feel

more 'balanced.' It STILL heals them---it is that good a 'statement' from the

plant.



In any case, we are talking about communication outside of language and its

categories, making what plants 'say' very, very hard/easy to understand.



I am glad to see you honoring sacred traditions.



Best,



Paul







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:43:44 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:





>Maybe not, but it is not quite NOT the same thing, either.  





Whatever.



:)











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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:41:42 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com>:



Interesting post. I'm wondering if you have come across a herbal approach to

working with attention deficit disorder (ADD).



Doctors usually prescribe stimulants like Ritalin. Otherwise people with ADD

tend to self-medicate with coffee. I find coffee helpful but it does have

those well-known side effects.





-----Original Message-----

From: T B <thimbleberry@juno.com>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Thursday, December 17, 1998 9:23 AM

Subject: Re: mugwort - legal high context





>To herb@MyList.net from thimbleberry@juno.com (T B):

>

>This is a very brief recap of the herbs I've experimented with so

>far: calamus, catnip, damiana, hops, mugwort, nutmeg, valerian, and

>wormwood.  (I have extensive notes in my log files, for those who

>would want to compare, either publicly or privately.)









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:05:36 CST

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To herb@MyList.net from thimbleberry@juno.com (T B):



On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 09:41:42 -0500 "Lee Hunter" <lee.hunter@hum.com> 

wrote:



> Interesting post. I'm wondering if you have come across a herbal 

> approach to working with attention deficit disorder (ADD).

>

> Doctors usually prescribe stimulants like Ritalin. Otherwise 

> people with ADD tend to self-medicate with coffee. I find coffee 

> helpful but it does have those well-known side effects.



This is a sub-theme I came across, people self-medicating with 

cigarettes, alcohol, and pot, for those with brain chemistry 

problems, e.g. adult ADHD.  (E.g., the Jan 1998 APA Health 

Psychology article "Depression and Self-Medication With Nicotine: 

The Modifying Influence of the Dopamine D4 Receptor Gene", which 

can be found at: http://www.apa.org/journals/hea/198ab.html#7.)



For ADD, I would first look at the nutritional side before the 

herbal.  My starting point in brain chemistry books is _Brain 

Longevity, The Breakthrough Medical Program that Improves Your Mind 

and Memory_, by Dharma Singh Khalsa, M.D., (c) 1997.  His web site 

is at: http://www.brain-longevity.com.





Thimbleberry



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Subject: Re: Arnica (Plantar facitis)

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 18:45:18 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 12/14/98 11:25:55 AM Eastern Standard Time, HeK@hetta.pp.fi

writes:



<<  I have plantar fasciitis

 >     from running and wonder if this salve would help alleviate the

 >     soreness. >>





I ADD:



Am just coming off of one of the most painful years of plantar facitis in

which I did a ton of research because I had to stand on it every day in the

pharmacy.  Of all the remedies I found Christopher's BF&C (Bone Fiber and

Cartilage) formula(nci) was the best.  It really did help and you can get it

at a good health food store.  Also I know it may be hard but you may need to

cut back on the running and pounding of your heel down.  It's punishing.  Ice

it a few times a day for the inflammation, and if you can find it the BF&C in

an ointment formula works wonders too.  I used it overnight.  It contains

white oak bark, gravel root, marshmallow root, mullein leaves, black walnut

hulls, slippery elm bark, calendula flowers, and scullcap herb.  One of the

best things I can say to do is to elevate your foot and ice it.  Also heel

inserts helped me as I couldn't go the route of having expensive inserts made.

Most of my patients tell me they did that and it didn't work for them, so I

just didn't try it.



Hope you feel better -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Alleviation for Chemo

From: j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:25:12 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):



Greetings herbal friends,	

	My best friend on the planet, recently diagnosed w/ 

Hepatits C, contracted from a blood transufsion after the birth of her

first child fifteen years ago.

	Liver biopsy shows she has very little damage as yet.

	Interferon can "wipe out'" the virus, per her infectious diseases

Doctor.   This is extremely expensive and usually causes severe 

chemotherapy sickness.

	Does anyone have good results:

	* with herbs for treating chemo related illness

	* or other wise supporting the body and spirit through this year

long course of injections?

	Thank you



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Subject: Re: Alleviation for Chemo

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:27:00 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:







Jennifer Kiliszewski wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):

>

> Greetings herbal friends,

>         My best friend on the planet, recently diagnosed w/

> Hepatits C, contracted from a blood transufsion after the birth of her

> first child fifteen years ago.

>         Liver biopsy shows she has very little damage as yet.

>         Interferon can "wipe out'" the virus, per her infectious diseases

> Doctor.   This is extremely expensive and usually causes severe

> chemotherapy sickness.

>         Does anyone have good results:

>         * with herbs for treating chemo related illness

>         * or other wise supporting the body and spirit through this year

> long course of injections?

>         Thank you

>

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  I am sure you herbal folks have lots of suggestions for her, but don't

forget glandulars,  if she were my friend I would have her take herbs for her

liver and the chemo, but I would also have her take glandular liver.  I hope

no one is offended.

H Hardin







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Alleviation for Chemo

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 07:16:23 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 21:27:00 -0600, Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net> wrote

to herb@MyList.net:



>>         Does anyone have good results:

>>         * with herbs for treating chemo related illness

>>         * or other wise supporting the body and spirit through this year

>> long course of injections?



Do milk thistle and dandelion, for starters. And find a qualified naturopath /

herbalist in your neck of the woods - interferon isn't the cure-all the MD's

make it out to be... not even according to Medline. A search should turn up some

interesting info.



>  I am sure you herbal folks have lots of suggestions for her, but don't

>forget glandulars,  if she were my friend I would have her take herbs for her

>liver and the chemo, but I would also have her take glandular liver.  I hope

>no one is offended.



Glandulars ... all they give you are cell nucleus wastes in your blood. No,

scratch that, all they give you is -more- cell nucleus wastes in your blood.

More than you already get from your own broken-down cells. Any proteins which

are not "you" get broken down by the liver, generating waste products. There is

NOTHING as high in waste products as things with lots of cell nuclei.

Glandulars. Algae. Things like that. You have gout, take any of these watch your

gout flare up. 



If you need raw materials there's things less hard on your metabolism, which

also are far cheaper than glandulars.



Henriette



--

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      /pub/academic/medicine/alternative-healthcare/herbal-medicine/

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Alleviation for Chemo

From: diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:57:55 -0400

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To herb@MyList.net from diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>:



Jennifer Kiliszewski wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):

> 

> Greetings herbal friends,

>         My best friend on the planet, recently diagnosed w/

> Hepatits C, contracted from a blood transufsion after the birth of her

> first child fifteen years ago.

>         Liver biopsy shows she has very little damage as yet.

>         Interferon can "wipe out'" the virus, per her infectious diseases

> Doctor.   This is extremely expensive and usually causes severe

> chemotherapy sickness.

>         Does anyone have good results:

>         * with herbs for treating chemo related illness

>         * or other wise supporting the body and spirit through this year

> long course of injections?



I personally have not tried it, but from all the testimonies I've heard,

Essiac is a good thing to take when trying to fight cancer and when

undergoing chemotherapy. 



-- 

           Diana Cascioli | Cattle die, kindred die,

        GW Graphic Design | Every man is mortal:

            raven@gwu.edu | But the good name never dies 

gwis2.circ.gwu.edu/~raven | Of one who has done well





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Alleviation for Chemo

From: "Barbara Kelley" <amberbarbaraherb@hotmail.com>

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:53:18 PST

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To herb@MyList.net from "Barbara Kelley" <amberbarbaraherb@hotmail.com>:



Sorry it has taken me so long to answer an old message.  I have been off 

traveling for Christmas & now I am catching up on 600 + herbal emails.  



>Date: Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:25:12 -0500

>Subject: Alleviation for Chemo

>To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):



SNIP



>	Does anyone have good results:

>	* with herbs for treating chemo related illness

>	* or other wise supporting the body and spirit through this >year long 

course of injections?



I have not seen many replies answering the question about alleviating 

the side effects of chemo so I will answer from my experiences.



Two years ago I finished several courses of taxol-carboplatin for 

ovarian & uterine cancer.  I also had multiple surgeries & I am familiar 

with the need to be careful with the liver.  I still have benign cysts 

in my liver that require watching & care.



You did not say if your friend's problematic symptoms were nausea or 

fatigue.  Since these are usually the worst symptoms I will discuss 

herbal approaches for dealing with these.



For nausea the things that helped me most were as follows:

 lots of peppermint teas,

 chai teas, hot or cold  (I made it with cinnamon, cloves, vanilla bean, 

& lots of fresh ginger root, a little cardomon & honey.  I skipped the 

milk & pepper because they upset my stomach.  I have since started to 

add licorice root to my tea mixtures too because licorice helps counter 

problems with adrenal shrinkage due to stress.)

 lots of yogurt

 pineapple & pineapple juice

 homemade gingerbread - the cinammon & ginger are really good for 

nasuea.  In fact I have seen ginger recommended over & over for nausue 

but you are suppose to take it until you can taste it.  The fresh 

gingerbread also contains lots of nutrients that help keep the body 

nourished throughout the difficult chemo period.

  Carrots, cooked with chinese 5 spice, yum!  During chemo you have to 

be careful when red & white blood cell counts are low.  This means most 

veggies have to be cooked at the times when the blood counts drop.

  When blood counts drop the doctors often want to give nupegen which 

can be accompanied with flulike symptoms.  Echinacea is one of the herbs 

known to stimulate the growth of white blood cells, so echinacea & some 

other herbs can be helpful when taken to keep the blood cell counts up.   



For fatigue

  Beleive it or not, Milk Thistle & vitamin B complex.  I noted after 

starting to take milk thisle that my sleeping improved drastically.  

Milk Thisle is good for the liver too. 

  Moderate exercise - I liked to go on nature walks & try to identify 

various indigenous plants & herbs.

  Keep eating, I know this is hard to do on chemo.  Two years later I 

still am 2o lbs underweight.  I went back to my cooking hobby toying 

with as many fresh herbs & veggy recipes as possible.





I could write lots about surviving cancer & chemo. (I will be starting a 

web page on this soon!)  The spiritual & psycological part of your 

question (how does one support the spirit through this year long course 

of injections?) is really beyond the scope of this list.  But I am happy 

to talk about these questions in private email if you like.



Good luck to your friend.  Your friend is lucky to have a friend who 

cares enough to ask the questions you do.  Such caring caring friends 

were the best source of spiritual & psycological healing for me!



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Alleviation for Chemo

From: OZARKCOOP@aol.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:32:51 EST

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There is a wonderful book, Double Vision, by Alexandra Dundas Todd that

combines eastern and western practices for coping with cancer. Her son had a

particularly aggressive form of brain cancer few live through. He did. She fed

him lots of miso and seaweed and other macrobiotic foods. Miso helps the body

to dump the radiation more quickly. He didn't even lose his hair. If I had

cancer, I would reread this book for certain.

Lee





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Subject: Lavender web ring

From: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:29:24 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>:



I know a number of the list members have web pages and some have information

about lavender or lavender based products.  I would like to invite those

that do to join the Lavender Growers Webring.  Joining webrings doesnt cost

anything and is a good way to draw traffic.  More importantly it makes it

easier for everyone to find the information they are looking for.  I dont

know how many people have tried doing searches on lavender recently but lets

just say the herb is not the only thing lavender out there and it gets

pretty frustrating trying to find REAL lavender information.  Anyway I

finally gave up and started a web ring to help me and everyone else find

lavender information pages.  You can find the home page for the Lavender

Growers Webring at http://www.a1netmarketing.com/lavring.htm.



Ian Caldicott

Ian@lavenderfarms.com

http://www.lavenderfarms.com







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Lavender web ring

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:22:27 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 11:29:24 -0800, "Medicinal Herb List" <herb@MyList.net>:



>I dont

>know how many people have tried doing searches on lavender recently but lets

>just say the herb is not the only thing lavender out there and it gets

>pretty frustrating trying to find REAL lavender information. 



It'd be a good idea to use latin names in your search, and on your

lavender-related web pages. I betcha you won't find too many non-plant related

sites listing Lavandula.



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herb quality

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:09:53 -0500

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Thimbleberry,



I and no doubt most others on this list would like to see what you had to say

regarding Frontier and Blessed Herbs.  Frontier seems quite popular with health

food store owners, probably the most popular for bulk herbs as opposed to

tinctures, tablets, capsules, etc.  With capsules, teabags, tinctures, etc, you

don't know what is there except by trusting the manufacturer's word, and there

is much room for fairy dust.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herb quality

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 07:17:50 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:09:53 -0500, tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>I and no doubt most others on this list would like to see what you had to say

>regarding Frontier and Blessed Herbs.  Frontier seems quite popular with health

>food store owners, probably the most popular for bulk herbs as opposed to

>tinctures, tablets, capsules, etc.  With capsules, teabags, tinctures, etc, you

>don't know what is there except by trusting the manufacturer's word, and there

>is much room for fairy dust.



Frontiers started small and got big. They try, but you just can't keep the same

quality when you're -that- big. They're still one of the best choices there is.



Blessed herbs, of course, is impeccable. Now don't y'all rush and buy their

stuff, or -they- might grow too big for impeccability ...



Henriette



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Herb quality

From: "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>

Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 09:09:58 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Marcia Wilson" <herblady@fidnet.com>:



I have not personally tried herbs from Blessed Herbs but I would just like

to say that I hold Frontier very high in herb quality.  I tried purchasing

herbs from several places and Frontiers quality was the very best.  The

herbs aren't brown when dried like some, and to my testing, were the

strongest I have found.  Their Echinacea Angustifolia Root numbed my whole

tongue with a very small pinch.  I was pleased.  



Now that I have heard about Blessed Herbs I of course will try them, and if

they beat Frontier I will be the first to get in line and say so!



I love the way this list because it always gives honest open opinions and I

applaud all of you.



Just my .02 worth,

Marcia Wilson



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> From: Henriette Kress <HeK@hetta.pp.fi>

> To: herb@MyList.net

> Subject: Re: Herb quality

> Date: Wednesday, December 16, 1998 1:17 AM

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

> 

> On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 22:09:53 -0500, tmueller@bluegrass.net wrote to

> herb@MyList.net:

> 

> >I and no doubt most others on this list would like to see what you had

to say

> >regarding Frontier and Blessed Herbs.  Frontier seems quite popular with

health

> >food store owners, probably the most popular for bulk herbs as opposed

to

> >tinctures, tablets, capsules, etc.  With capsules, teabags, tinctures,

etc, you

> >don't know what is there except by trusting the manufacturer's word, and

there

> >is much room for fairy dust.

> 

> Frontiers started small and got big. They try, but you just can't keep

the same

> quality when you're -that- big. They're still one of the best choices

there is.

> 

> Blessed herbs, of course, is impeccable. Now don't y'all rush and buy

their

> stuff, or -they- might grow too big for impeccability ...

> 

> Henriette

> 

> --

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herb quality

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:45:55 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from thimbleberry@juno.com (T B):



While loking for something else, I came across this article on the 

quality of herbs issue, at http://www.viable-herbal.com/herbs43.htm, 

with the first few paragraphs shown here:



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QUALITY CONTROL OF HERBAL EXTRACT PROCESSING

 

     Quality Control is a term that refers to processes involved in 

maintaining the quality of validity of a manufacturered product. 

Regardless of the form of herbal preparation, some degree of quality 

control should exist. Currently, there is no organization or 

government body that certifies an herb as labeled correctly.

 

[...]

 

Recent chemical analysis of commercially available Feverfew 

(*Tanacetum *parthenium*) and Taheebo (*Tabebuia avellanedae*) for 

active components, parthenolide and lapachol, respectively, have 

also shown need for concern. Analysis of over 35 different 

commercial preparations of Feverfew indicated a wide variation in 

the amounts of parthenolide in commercial preparations. The majority 

of product samples contained no parthenolide whatsoever, or only 

traces. Additionally, analysis of 12 commercial sources of Taheebo 

could identify lapachol (*in trace amounts*) in only one product.

 

                            ------*****------

 

Addressing the Quality Control Problem

 

The solution to the quality control problem that exists in the 

United States is for manufacturers and suppliers of herbal products 

to adhere to quality control standards and good manufacturing 

practices. With improvements in the identification of plants by 

laboratory analysis, consumers should at least be guaranteed that 

the right plant is being used. Consumers, health food stores, 

pharmacists, and physicians who use or sell herbal products should 

ask for information from the suppliers of herbal products on their 

quality control processes. As more consumers, retailers, and 

professionals begin asking for quality control from the suppliers, 

it is possible more quality control processes will be utilized by 

manufacturers.



[...]



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Note to Henriette:



There are many good articles on that site, even though it seems to 

be a commercial MLM business.  See the index at:



http://www.viable-herbal.com/sitemap.htm#Herbology Index



Would it be suitable to include in your FAQ?





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herb quality

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:09:45 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:45:55 -0700 (MST), thimbleberry@juno.com (T B) wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>QUALITY CONTROL OF HERBAL EXTRACT PROCESSING

>Regardless of the form of herbal preparation, some degree of quality 

>control should exist. Currently, there is no organization or 

>government body that certifies an herb as labeled correctly.



There isn't? Funny, that. I'd have thought the FDA does spot checks. I know in

Finland we have spot checks for most any label, be it a tincture or potato

chips.



>also shown need for concern. Analysis of over 35 different 

>commercial preparations of Feverfew indicated a wide variation in 

>the amounts of parthenolide in commercial preparations. The majority 

>of product samples contained no parthenolide whatsoever, or only 

>traces. 



That's not so surprising. You'll find lots of Tanacetum parthenium plant strains

which contain next to no parthenolides...



>Additionally, analysis of 12 commercial sources of Taheebo 

>could identify lapachol (*in trace amounts*) in only one product.



So use -local- plants instead of rainforest ones. Like desert willow, twigs and

leaves (Chilopsis sp.), or fireweed (Epilobium angustifolium). What do these

have in common? They're all growing in places where they're prone to fungi. Yes,

even desert willow, as it grows on sometime underwater streams. So they're all

mildly antifungal.

Epilobium of course is also good for mild prostatitis... a mild, completely

harmless, very useful herb, which the pharmacognosists will never lay their

hands on, as they haven't been able to find any active constituent which would

do the same as the whole herb.



>The solution to the quality control problem that exists in the 

>United States is for manufacturers and suppliers of herbal products 

>to adhere to quality control standards and good manufacturing 

>practices. 



Yep. That's sort of self-evident, don't you think?



>With improvements in the identification of plants by 

>laboratory analysis, consumers should at least be guaranteed that 

>the right plant is being used. 



You don't need laboratory analysis if you pick your own. That requirement is

overkill, as far as competent herbalists are concerned.



Also, lab analysis is expensive, and organoleptic ID is good enough if you know

your plants. I wouldn't want to pay a -lab- to ID this here mint for me, for

every batch I pick or buy. I identify my mint, or rosemary, or fireweed, or

raspberry leaves, by looks and taste.



>Consumers, health food stores, 

>pharmacists, and physicians who use or sell herbal products should 

>ask for information from the suppliers of herbal products on their 



Anybody who sells herbal products should know their plants. Pharmacists -used-

to be able to id plants by looks, taste, color, scent, and chemical reactions

all the way down to microscopic pictures. 

And when an herb shop gets a shipment of, say, black seed, they should be able

to put it into the same jar as their Nigella sativa seeds... or at least put the

same price tag on it, without me telling them "Hey, this is the same thing, why

do you have different prices on it?" (It happened. An herb shop in Phoenix, AZ.)

(The shop clerk was still doubting my information... sigh.)



>quality control processes. As more consumers, retailers, and 

>professionals begin asking for quality control from the suppliers, 

>it is possible more quality control processes will be utilized by 

>manufacturers.



In theory this is of course very nice. However, if retailers and professionals

know their plants there's no need to -ask- for quality control. You just drop

the providers who don't cut it. Quality control problem solved.



Henriette



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Feet (was: Re: Arnica)

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 08:55:01 -0900

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>Also important w plantar fasciitis:  make sure you stretch those feet,

>especially during days off from running.  Things tighten while they heal,

:

>> >  I have plantar fasciitis

>> >       from running and wonder if this salve would help alleviate the

>> >       soreness.

snipping<

Feet can be a real problem.  One thing I have found useful is a footbath of

red Alder bark.  It is cooling and soothing and can help eliminate fungus.

When hiking I have found that putting an Alder leaf in the sock against the

bottom of the foot helps cool the feet.

Another cooling fungus killing bath is dilute vinegar.  Another is White Oak

bark.  Another is Western Hemlock bark.

What's your favorite foot cure???







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Feet (was: Re: Arnica)

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 13:31:04 EST

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In a message dated 12/16/98 1:07:30 PM Eastern Standard Time,

Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net writes:



<< Feet can be a real problem.  One thing I have found useful is a footbath of

 red Alder bark.  It is cooling and soothing and can help eliminate fungus.

 When hiking I have found that putting an Alder leaf in the sock against the

 bottom of the foot helps cool the feet.

 Another cooling fungus killing bath is dilute vinegar.  Another is White Oak

 bark.  Another is Western Hemlock bark.

 What's your favorite foot cure???

  >>



I ADD:



I love white oak bark, in fact we've had requests to make some tub teas with

it.  One lady says it's such a help to her in her bath that's all she will

use.



Mary Conley, MNH

Herbgrow30@aol.com





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To: Herb list <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Guggul

From: jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>

Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 12:14:58 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>:



I am going to have to ask for some forgiveness here on the list as I do not 

have any of my material with me but am having to post as I know have time 

to do so. I have seen some reference to guggul in cleaning up the arteries. 

Michael Tierra in his book Planetary Herbology  speaks briefly on it. As my 

memory  serves me he talks of a process that the guggul can be put through 

that makes it less harsh on the kidneys. I believe this herb contains a 

resin like myrhh. I have seen guggul listed on several sites but when I ask 

these people if it has been put through this process it seem they start 

scratching their head. I would be interested to know if any of you informed 

souls have any knowledge about this. I would like to know if any of the 

practitioners have used guggul with success. What herbs it has a good 

synergy with. How it is best administered. And where you can buy this 

guggul in a form that has been put through this process. If this processed 

guggul is still effective in removing the artery glue also. I do not want 

anything that would be harsh on the kidneys in this particular case. There 

are some kidney delicacies here. I read of a particular mushroom also, and 

again I apologize for the lack of info as I stated not where my info is at 

hand , that was good at regulating the potassium levels in the body. This 

one I think falls under TCM I believe. If anyone has any information on 

regulating the potassium I would also be grateful. In this case the 

potassium levels are running high. The M.D.,s have checked the kidneys and 

say everything according to their science seems ok. Diet is being addressed 

also.      Thanks John        Jfoster@ebicom.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Guggul

From: "Dr. Bill Forewright" <shiloh@kih.net>

Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 15:07:51 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Dr. Bill Forewright" <shiloh@kih.net>:



The product GUGGUL has been used for years in India for cleansing the

vascular system,It has been used also as an agent to lower LDL serum

Cholesterol,along with balance of Triglyceride levels it will not hurt the

Kidneys there are no side affects as to date I personality us this product.

also Dr, Julian Wittaker highly recommends this for lowering the LDL. this

can be purchased from Frontier  100 caps. for about $7 00. that is where I

order mine from.   

  Thks DR. BILL 









At 12:14 PM 12/16/98 -0600, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>:

>

>I am going to have to ask for some forgiveness here on the list as I do not 

>have any of my material with me but am having to post as I know have time 

>to do so. I have seen some reference to guggul in cleaning up the arteries. 

>Michael Tierra in his book Planetary Herbology  speaks briefly on it. As my 

>memory  serves me he talks of a process that the guggul can be put through 

>that makes it less harsh on the kidneys. I believe this herb contains a 

>resin like myrhh. I have seen guggul listed on several sites but when I ask 

>these people if it has been put through this process it seem they start 

>scratching their head. I would be interested to know if any of you informed 

>souls have any knowledge about this. I would like to know if any of the 

>practitioners have used guggul with success. What herbs it has a good 

>synergy with. How it is best administered. And where you can buy this 

>guggul in a form that has been put through this process. If this processed 

>guggul is still effective in removing the artery glue also. I do not want 

>anything that would be harsh on the kidneys in this particular case. There 

>are some kidney delicacies here. I read of a particular mushroom also, and 

>again I apologize for the lack of info as I stated not where my info is at 

>hand , that was good at regulating the potassium levels in the body. This 

>one I think falls under TCM I believe. If anyone has any information on 

>regulating the potassium I would also be grateful. In this case the 

>potassium levels are running high. The M.D.,s have checked the kidneys and 

>say everything according to their science seems ok. Diet is being addressed 

>also.      Thanks John        Jfoster@ebicom.net

>

>

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Guggul

From: Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Wed, 16 Dec 1998 22:37:37 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:





There is a good description of the uses of guggul in the Bazaar of India

Imports Products pages which list and describe a number of bulk ayurvedic

herbs as well as formulations containing guggul.  (nci)  the address is

http://www.ayur-veda.com/ and it is listed as guggulu, Latin name is

commiphora mukul



Hope this answers some of your questions

Peace,

Aliceann Carlton

carlton@mint.net





At 12:14 PM 12/16/98 -0600, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>:

>

>I am going to have to ask for some forgiveness here on the list as I do not 

>have any of my material with me but am having to post as I know have time 

>to do so. I have seen some reference to guggul in cleaning up the arteries. 

>Michael Tierra in his book Planetary Herbology  speaks briefly on it. As my 

>memory  serves me he talks of a process that the guggul can be put through 

>that makes it less harsh on the kidneys. I believe this herb contains a 

>resin like myrhh. I have seen guggul listed on several sites but when I ask 

>these people if it has been put through this process it seem they start 

>scratching their head. I would be interested to know if any of you informed 

>souls have any knowledge about this. I would like to know if any of the 

>practitioners have used guggul with success. What herbs it has a good 

>synergy with. How it is best administered. And where you can buy this 

>guggul in a form that has been put through this process. If this processed 

>guggul is still effective in removing the artery glue also. I do not want 

>anything that would be harsh on the kidneys in this particular case. There 

>are some kidney delicacies here. I read of a particular mushroom also, and 

>again I apologize for the lack of info as I stated not where my info is at 

>hand , that was good at regulating the potassium levels in the body. This 

>one I think falls under TCM I believe. If anyone has any information on 

>regulating the potassium I would also be grateful. In this case the 

>potassium levels are running high. The M.D.,s have checked the kidneys and 

>say everything according to their science seems ok. Diet is being addressed 

>also.      Thanks John        Jfoster@ebicom.net

>

>

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Subject: Books on Medicinal Plants from India

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Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 06:36:47

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context, footnote #3

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:20:24 CST

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To herb@MyList.net from thimbleberry@juno.com (T B):



FOOTNOTE #3 - HEINERMAN ON NUTMEG



_Heinerman's Encyclopedia of healing herbs and spices_

John Heinerman

(c) 1996 by Parker Publishing Company, Inc.

p 351



 --------------------- b e g i n ---------------------- 



NUTMEG

(Myristica Fragrans)



. . . . . 



Marijuana Substitute for Mental Disorders



In our present society, morea and more people are turning to drugs 

and alcohol in order to escape reality and enter into a world of 

mental bliss and trance-like happiness.  Especially is this so with 

high-school and college-age youth.  Unfortunately for them, most of 

the psycho-active substances which they turn to are not only illegal 

to use, but also very bad for their personal healthh as well.  In 

most cases, they become addicted in time to such things as 

marijuana, cocaine, "crack," LSD, heroin and alcohol.



   Some medical doctors and psychiatrists who work woth young people 

under such addictions have explored alternative possibilities for 

those of their patients who apparently still need some kind of 

mind-altering substance from time to time in order to help then 

better cope with reality, but which isn't addictive.  Catnip is one 

of these, which is mentioned elsewhere in this book (see CATNIP for 

details).  Another, even more effective agent, is the food spice, 

nutmeg.



   Both the Journal of Neuropsychiatry (March-April 1961) and the 

New Englad Journal of Medicine (August 22, 1963) have mentioned that 

only 1 tbsp of powdered nutmeg as being necessary to achieve 

somewhat "dream-like, floating and slightly euphoric" sensations.  

Such sensations of narcotic bliss have been equated with similar 

experiences produced by LSD, hashish, marijuana and alcohol.



   One psychiatrist with the Department of Psychiatry at the 

University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore subjected 

himself to an intake of nutmeg before recommending it to some of his 

own patients, in order to learn more about its hallucinogenic 

effects on the body.  At 9 a.m. he took 1 tbsp of the spice and 

drove to the university for his morning lectures.  A particularly 

irritating problem had put him in a very angry mood.  ut "by 10:30 

a.m.," he said, "the anger was dispelled and I felt at peace with 

the world.  I wandered out to a leisurely lunch with some friends 

and felt quite unconcerned about my work.  This was unusual for 

me."  Other feelings of detachment and isolation from reality 

reached a peak that ranged from between 6 to 24 hours and didn't 

completely disappear until some 36 hours later.



   Prison convicts have often benefitted from the use of nutmeg when 

other forms of illegal drugs were absolutely impossible to obtain.  

As with LSD, they usually lose all meaning of time.  Their guilt 

tends to disappear as they learn to be more forgiving and loving of 

themselves.  Feelings of senuality likewise increase, and it is not 

unusual for many male prisoners to experience near-constant 

erections or most of the 24 to 36 hours while under the influence of 

this incredible spice.



   Another feature preferred by some psychiatrists who might 

recommend nutmeg to some of their patients on a very limited and 

controlled basis is that the user can wrench himself back to reality 

anytime it is so wished; this isn't the case with either LSD, 

"crack," cocaine, heroin or marijuana.  Also the spice doesn't have 

any serious lingering side effects once it wears off like the others 

seem to have.  And nutmeg isn't addictive like the rest are.



   Dramatically increased mental awareness, a closer communication 

with Nature and Infinity, a sense of drifting through time and 

space, deeper feelings of humility and peace, and an attitude of 

being in control of what one wishes to experience, are some of the 

sensations reported by college students, some nurses and a few 

doctors who have voluntarily tried nutmeg under carefully controlled 

conditions.



   Certain physical discomforts are to be expected when under the 

influence of nutmeg, but nothing it seems, that would be 

life-threatening.  Bones and muscles in the body tend to ache, the 

eyes tend to hurt a little, the sinuses drain, and limited diarrhea 

result from taking this spice.  But some therapists and some of 

their patients suffering from certain mental disorders seem to 

believe that these few inconveniences are worth enduring in lieu of 

the greater therapeutic benefits to be derived from nutmeg.



. . . . .



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context, footnote #3

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:02:55 -0800

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> Prison convicts have often benefitted from the use of nutmeg when 

> other forms of illegal drugs were absolutely impossible to obtain.  

> As with LSD, they usually lose all meaning of time.  Their guilt 

> tends to disappear as they learn to be more forgiving and loving of 

> themselves.  Feelings of senuality likewise increase, and it is not 

> unusual for many male prisoners to experience near-constant 

> erections or most of the 24 to 36 hours while under the influence of 

> this incredible spice.



No one ever said that Mormons were the most normal of people, I guess.



What a weird set of values, to say the least. 



All of Heinerman's claims about 'addictive' properties of plants are

hysterical, and to say that you cannot be 'wrenched' back to reality by various

means on those various plants is not consistent with experience.



Have your favorite potsmoker drink a cup of miso soup. Then prepare to duck a

lamp, after you've spoiled the high in ten or twenty seconds.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context, footnote #3

From: marsix@juno.com (Ron O Dean)

Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 20:34:29 -0500

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Are you kidding me? Have you ever actually done any of these drugs you

mention? Or studied any of them? I won't even try to refute all your

mis-information about marijuana itself but to label it as addictive is a

nice bit of untruth that even the DEA doesn't even try to use anymore. To

actually recommend a teaspoon of nutmeg and then list the complications

(which by the way marijuana has no complications:). As I said You're

certainly welcome to your opinion, including Heinerman's, but it's

opinion don't try to give it as scientific fact when It's not, that's why

a benign drug like marijuana is where it is today because of the passing

of half-truths & government mis-truths. Actually I myself tried even

Nutmeg in my sixties youth because it was said to have a minor buzz:)

Anyway pardon me folks,  I had to speak on this one and I won't even do a

dis-sertation just study the facts on anything, then form an opinion

based on that, not just someone else's opinion. If anyone wants to

discuss this further feel free to EMail me privately. 

 By the way look at the dates on those studies mentioned('61 & '63).

On Thu, 17 Dec 1998 08:20:24 CST thimbleberry@juno.com (T B) writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from thimbleberry@juno.com (T B):

>

>FOOTNOTE #3 - HEINERMAN ON NUTMEG

>

>_Heinerman's Encyclopedia of healing herbs and spices_

>John Heinerman

>(c) 1996 by Parker Publishing Company, Inc.

>p 351

>

> --------------------- b e g i n ---------------------- 

>

>NUTMEG

>(Myristica Fragrans)

>

>. . . . . 

>

>Marijuana Substitute for Mental Disorders

>

>In our present society, morea and more people are turning to drugs 

>and alcohol in order to escape reality and enter into a world of 

>mental bliss and trance-like happiness.  Especially is this so with 

>high-school and college-age youth.  Unfortunately for them, most of 

>the psycho-active substances which they turn to are not only illegal 

>to use, but also very bad for their personal healthh as well.  In 

>most cases, they become addicted in time to such things as 

>marijuana, cocaine, "crack," LSD, heroin and alcohol.

>

>   Some medical doctors and psychiatrists who work woth young people 

>under such addictions have explored alternative possibilities for 

>those of their patients who apparently still need some kind of 

>mind-altering substance from time to time in order to help then 

>better cope with reality, but which isn't addictive.  Catnip is one 

>of these, which is mentioned elsewhere in this book (see CATNIP for 

>details).  Another, even more effective agent, is the food spice, 

>nutmeg.

>

>   Both the Journal of Neuropsychiatry (March-April 1961) and the 

>New Englad Journal of Medicine (August 22, 1963) have mentioned that 

>only 1 tbsp of powdered nutmeg as being necessary to achieve 

>somewhat "dream-like, floating and slightly euphoric" sensations.  

>Such sensations of narcotic bliss have been equated with similar 

>experiences produced by LSD, hashish, marijuana and alcohol.

>

>   One psychiatrist with the Department of Psychiatry at the 

>University of Maryland School of Medicine in Baltimore subjected 

>himself to an intake of nutmeg before recommending it to some of his 

>own patients, in order to learn more about its hallucinogenic 

>effects on the body.  At 9 a.m. he took 1 tbsp of the spice and 

>drove to the university for his morning lectures.  A particularly 

>irritating problem had put him in a very angry mood.  ut "by 10:30 

>a.m.," he said, "the anger was dispelled and I felt at peace with 

>the world.  I wandered out to a leisurely lunch with some friends 

>and felt quite unconcerned about my work.  This was unusual for 

>me."  Other feelings of detachment and isolation from reality 

>reached a peak that ranged from between 6 to 24 hours and didn't 

>completely disappear until some 36 hours later.

>

>   Prison convicts have often benefitted from the use of nutmeg when 

>other forms of illegal drugs were absolutely impossible to obtain.  

>As with LSD, they usually lose all meaning of time.  Their guilt 

>tends to disappear as they learn to be more forgiving and loving of 

>themselves.  Feelings of senuality likewise increase, and it is not 

>unusual for many male prisoners to experience near-constant 

>erections or most of the 24 to 36 hours while under the influence of 

>this incredible spice.

>

>   Another feature preferred by some psychiatrists who might 

>recommend nutmeg to some of their patients on a very limited and 

>controlled basis is that the user can wrench himself back to reality 

>anytime it is so wished; this isn't the case with either LSD, 

>"crack," cocaine, heroin or marijuana.  Also the spice doesn't have 

>any serious lingering side effects once it wears off like the others 

>seem to have.  And nutmeg isn't addictive like the rest are.

>

>   Dramatically increased mental awareness, a closer communication 

>with Nature and Infinity, a sense of drifting through time and 

>space, deeper feelings of humility and peace, and an attitude of 

>being in control of what one wishes to experience, are some of the 

>sensations reported by college students, some nurses and a few 

>doctors who have voluntarily tried nutmeg under carefully controlled 

>conditions.

>

>   Certain physical discomforts are to be expected when under the 

>influence of nutmeg, but nothing it seems, that would be 

>life-threatening.  Bones and muscles in the body tend to ache, the 

>eyes tend to hurt a little, the sinuses drain, and limited diarrhea 

>result from taking this spice.  But some therapists and some of 

>their patients suffering from certain mental disorders seem to 

>believe that these few inconveniences are worth enduring in lieu of 

>the greater therapeutic benefits to be derived from nutmeg.

>

>. . . . .

>

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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: mugwort  - legal high context, footnote #3

From: "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:28:47 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "boulton, robin" <rboulton@sun.hennepin.lib.mn.us>:



What does consumption of miso do to the pot high?



		-----Original Message-----

		From:	owner-herb@MyList.net

[mailto:owner-herb@MyList.net] On Behalf Of p_iannone@lamg.com

		Sent:	Sunday, December 20, 1998 5:03 PM

		To:	herb@MyList.net

		Subject:	Re: mugwort  - legal high context,

footnote #3



		To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



		> Prison convicts have often benefitted from the use of

nutmeg when 

		> other forms of illegal drugs were absolutely

impossible to obtain.  

		> As with LSD, they usually lose all meaning of time.

Their guilt 

		> tends to disappear as they learn to be more forgiving

and loving of 

		> themselves.  Feelings of senuality likewise increase,

and it is not 

		> unusual for many male prisoners to experience

near-constant 

		> erections or most of the 24 to 36 hours while under

the influence of 

		> this incredible spice.



		No one ever said that Mormons were the most normal of

people, I guess.



		What a weird set of values, to say the least. 



		All of Heinerman's claims about 'addictive' properties

of plants are

		hysterical, and to say that you cannot be 'wrenched'

back to reality by various

		means on those various plants is not consistent with

experience.



		Have your favorite potsmoker drink a cup of miso soup.

Then prepare to duck a

		lamp, after you've spoiled the high in ten or twenty

seconds.



		Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context, footnote #3

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:23:22 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Time to quit talking about getting high and

> return to medicinal herbs eh????  I've had enough.



The topic is directly associated with medicine or healing. If someone takes a

dose of kava kava, they are going to be enjoying the effects. Unless we care to

define medicinal as 'only to be taken when ill,' we are going to cross these

lines now and then.



I did find it odd that someone reacted to quoted material as if the author was

on the list.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort  - legal high context, footnote #3

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 11:23:30 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> What does consumption of miso do to the pot high?



Try it out. Miso has the amazing medicinal effect of clearing all sorts of

'evil' reactions from the body. It is good for headaches, heartaches, dietary

mistakes. It just ain't no good if you are trying to cultivate 'evil' reactions

at the level of expanded awareness.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort - why headaches?

From: thimbleberry@juno.com (T B)

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:46:30 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from thimbleberry@juno.com (T B):



I have one more clue.



Both the medium-quality and high-quality green cottony mugwort, when 

smoked, gives me a delayed headache, starting a day later.  The tea 

does not do that.  The low-quality stemmy mugwort *didn't* cause 

headaches; it just had the euphoriant effect, with no bad side 

effects, except for feeling too "high" if I smoked too much.



One lead might be the caution in _Medicine of the Earth_: "An 

overdose can cause unpleasant side effects attributed to the cineole 

content in its essential oil."  Yet sage also has cineole, and 

smoking it doesn't give me headaches.





Thimbleberry



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: mugwort - why headaches?

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 08:12:21 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:46:30 -0700 (MST), thimbleberry@juno.com (T B) wrote to

herb@MyList.net:



>Both the medium-quality and high-quality green cottony mugwort, when 

>smoked, gives me a delayed headache, starting a day later.  The tea 

>

>One lead might be the caution in _Medicine of the Earth_: "An 

>overdose can cause unpleasant side effects attributed to the cineole 

>content in its essential oil."  Yet sage also has cineole, and 

>smoking it doesn't give me headaches.



Plants are different. Perhaps the cineole in sage is tied up with some other

constituent, and that's why you don't get a headache from sage. Or perhaps it's

something else in mugwort that does it for you. I'd guess it's one of the

essential oils, anyway, because there's more of those in the leaves than the

stems of mugwort. And because you didn't get that effect from the tea - the EO's

probably evaporate when the hot water hits the herb.



Henriette



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: mugwort - why headaches?

From: "Linda Lehne" <lrlehne@gte.net>

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 20:22:49 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Linda Lehne" <lrlehne@gte.net>:



Hi

I'm new to the list... never tried mugwort, but wondered if anyone knows how

it would show up on a UA?  Does it have properties that would make it show

the same as marijuana?



Linda

-----Original Message-----

From: Henriette Kress <HeK@hetta.pp.fi>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Saturday, December 19, 1998 12:13 AM

Subject: Re: mugwort - why headaches?





>To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):

>

>On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 00:46:30 -0700 (MST), thimbleberry@juno.com (T B) wrote

to

>herb@MyList.net:

>

>>Both the medium-quality and high-quality green cottony mugwort, when

>>smoked, gives me a delayed headache, starting a day later.  The tea

>>

>>One lead might be the caution in _Medicine of the Earth_: "An

>>overdose can cause unpleasant side effects attributed to the cineole

>>content in its essential oil."  Yet sage also has cineole, and

>>smoking it doesn't give me headaches.

>

>Plants are different. Perhaps the cineole in sage is tied up with some

other

>constituent, and that's why you don't get a headache from sage. Or perhaps

it's

>something else in mugwort that does it for you. I'd guess it's one of the

>essential oils, anyway, because there's more of those in the leaves than

the

>stems of mugwort. And because you didn't get that effect from the tea - the

EO's

>probably evaporate when the hot water hits the herb.

>

>Henriette

>

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: quality control of herbal preparations

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 10:35:46 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Elfreem@aol.com:





>       Quality Control is a term that refers to processes involved in 

>  maintaining the quality of validity of a manufacturered product. 

>  Regardless of the form of herbal preparation, some degree of quality 

>  control should exist. Currently, there is no organization or 

>  government body that certifies an herb as labeled correctly.



The USP is currently addressing this problem as they have with drug

standardization. 



>  Addressing the Quality Control Problem

>   

>  The solution to the quality control problem that exists in the 

>  United States is for manufacturers and suppliers of herbal products 

>  to adhere to quality control standards and good manufacturing 

>  practices. 



As you know, drug standards developed by the USP are LEGALLY 

ENFORCED in the U.S. as will be the herbal stardards once they are 

developed. All herb companies that manufacture herbs and all herbalists 

who have an interest in these standards should be concerned with this 

process ...that's because once an herb becomes standardized there's 

no recourse if an herbal preparation doesn't meet specifications and

manufacturers can be disciplined. In other words, if USP standards are 

developed without expert opinion from herbalists (and left up to the 

academics) they may be problem.



The good side of this process is that the USP/NF is a public organization

and does not do business behind closed doors like the FDA. They will

listen/read and respond to any and every communication directed to them.



I learned this at a recent pharmacy conference where I ran into my old

boss who was chief pharmacist at the University of Illinois, President

of the American Society of Hospital Pharmacists, and who is now very 

active in developing USP/NF starndards. I'll have more information on 

this process at a later date.



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Herb Nutrition Newsletter & Midwest Shared Newsletter 

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: quality control of herbal preparations

From: "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 14:39:03 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Chris Deming" <cdeming@earthlink.net>:



< much snipage>  (Is there such a word?)



>I learned this at a recent pharmacy conference where I ran into my old

>boss who was chief pharmacist at the University of Illinois, President

>of the American Society of Hospital Pharmacists, and who is now very 

>active in developing USP/NF starndards. I'll have more information on 

>this process at a later date.





Thank you and keep up the good work. Let us know what develops.

Are there any contacts we should make to voice our concerns/opinions?



Shirley Deming









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Pesticide absorbtion

From: Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>

Date: Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:15:50 +0000

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:



Today, while assisting a friend doing plumbing, a bottle under the sink was

knocked over and began leaking, which I reached out to pick it up. I got the

liquid all over my fingers and when I discovered it was Malathion, washed my hands

as fast as I could, then picked some frozen plantain leaves and applied the

squished parts to my fingers.



>From what little I know of Malathion, it absorbs very quickly and affects the

central nervous system.  I have no idea if the plantain could pull out the toxins,

or what I should have done.  Any advice for right now or for future encounters

similar to this?







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Pesticide absorbtion

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 08:43:32 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:





I discovered it was Malathion, washed my hands

>as fast as I could



Several years ago, my daughter had problems with severe migraine headaches,

so much so that she was unable to continue going to school.  After a

decidedly unhelpful attempt to use conventional medicine we found a

homeopathic Dr.

She was tested and was found to be extremely sensitive to chemicals.  We had

cans of raid in the house and other "simple" pesticides around and were told

to get rid of ALL the nasty chemicals out of our house.  It DID make a

difference.  I had no idea that even a can of the stuff would disperse

enough toxins to make a difference.

It probably wouldn't be noticed by a person who was not super sensitive.

Normally your body will flush out toxins.  We do consume some each day.  Our

bodies are made to deal with it.

There are some good detoxifiers around like dandelion root, maybe milk

thistle.   There's also some good homeopathic detoxifiers.

It does give one pause to think.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Pesticide absorbtion

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Sat, 18 Dec 1999 21:36:50 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Eat fresh cilantro by the handful.  Apple fiber (apples), guar gum, and

oats.  Take liver herbs like milk thistle and alteratives.  Also

supplement with large amounts of lecethin, Vit A, Vit C, Vit E and

debittered brewers yeast.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Healing is the art of expressing love for your brothers and sisters in

life.



On Sat, 19 Dec 1998 19:15:50 +0000 Susana Augustyn

<augustyn@COLBY.IXKS.COM> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from Susana Augustyn <augustyn@colby.ixks.com>:

>

>Today, while assisting a friend doing plumbing, a bottle under the 

>sink was

>knocked over and began leaking, which I reached out to pick it up. I 

>got the

>liquid all over my fingers and when I discovered it was Malathion, 

>washed my hands

>as fast as I could, then picked some frozen plantain leaves and 

>applied the

>squished parts to my fingers.

>

>>From what little I know of Malathion, it absorbs very quickly and 

>affects the

>central nervous system.  I have no idea if the plantain could pull out 

>the toxins,

>or what I should have done.  Any advice for right now or for future 

>encounters

>similar to this?

>

>



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Pesticide control

From: Bill & Trina Wallace <trina@snowdriftfarm.com>

Date: Sun, 20 Dec 1998 09:54:05 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Bill & Trina Wallace <trina@snowdriftfarm.com>:



Susana wrote:





> Today, while assisting a friend doing plumbing, a bottle under the sink was

> knocked over and began leaking, which I reached out to pick it up. I got the

> liquid all over my fingers and when I discovered it was Malathion, washed my hands

> as fast as I could, then picked some frozen plantain leaves and applied the

> squished parts to my fingers.

>

> >From what little I know of Malathion, it absorbs very quickly and affects the

> central nervous system.  I have no idea if the plantain could pull out the toxins,

> or what I should have done.  Any advice for right now or for future encounters

> similar to this?

>

Hi Susana,



DH is a chemist who supervises the clean-up of hazmat. He has remediated

numerous pesticide spills. His advice:



Malathion is one of the "safer" pesticides of the cholinestrase

inhibiting variety. These pesticides work by interrupting chemical

pathways in the nervous system. This results in nervous system

shut-down. Most pesticides of this type are inactive as supplied,

meaning they don't do anything. The body's chemical system converts the

substance to a toxic compound.



In the case of Malathion only, insects covert the substance to a toxic

compound while mammalian systems do not.



That said, it is highly advisable to seek professional health advice

asap whenever toxic or hazardous materials are encountered. Other

advice:



1- All pesticides should be stored in locked, secure locations.

Generally speaking, this is not under the sink.



2- Always wear gloves and safety glasses (where have I heard this

before?) as pesticides may be directly absorbed through the eyes to the

brain.



3- Contact your local extention agency or pesticide control board for

safe removal of antique pesticides, herbicides, etc.



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Holidays!

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:57:44 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



Happy holidays to all of you - I'm off making funny tracks, building snowmen,

and throwing snowballs with kids (and adults) for a couple days.



Yay! Be good guys,

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:weight loss resolution

From: Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:04:05 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>:



Hi,



With the new year approaching mine will "again" (sigh) be to loose weight.

What herbs would be best to take as an aid to that end. I should mention

that I am taking paxil. I know, I know...st johns wart would do the same

thing but I haven't been brave enough to make the switch yet. I am open to

any advice. Thanks.



Judy







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 12:41:25 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>:







Judy and Bob McCabe wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>:

>

> Hi,

>

> With the new year approaching mine will "again" (sigh) be to loose weight.

> What herbs would be best to take as an aid to that end. I should mention

> that I am taking paxil. I know, I know...st johns wart would do the same

> thing but I haven't been brave enough to make the switch yet. I am open to

> any advice. Thanks.

>

> Judy



Several years ago, I took antidepressants; I started with Prozac, but had side

effects; tried Zoloft, which was better; tried Paxil, which was better still;

then I got off antidepressants, wanting to be able to feel emotionally strong

and substantial on my own, without prescription drugs. Over a period of 6 or 8

months, I noticed myself in a gradual downward spiral, becoming more

emotionally sensitive, irritable, and thoughts/thinking cycling more around

anxious concerns...



I went to a new Doctor, who suggested I try Serzone, which was even better

than Paxil (for me).



A couple of years later, I did a liver cleanse, as outlined in Clark's books,

and I found I no longer needed antidepressants.



Since then, I have researched a little, and found that emotional states are

highly dependent upon the state of health of the liver. Now, when I feel

myself becoming nervous, when I feel my musculature beginning to tighten,

especially in the upper back, shoulders and neck, I know it's time to pay

attention to my liver again. For me, antidepressants were actually masking the

real problem. And I say this in spite of the fact that, when I was taking

them, they saved my life... I didn't know what else to do at the time.



Ron







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: Kat11559@aol.com

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:15:00 EST

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Lets get back to the subject of weight loss ... any one have any suggestions?



Kathrine





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Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org (Jill F. Becker)

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 98 09:34:11 EST

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> To herb@MyList.net from Kat11559@aol.com:

> 

> Lets get back to the subject of weight loss ... any one have any 

> suggestions?

> 

> Kathrine



It's very simple.  Burn more calories than you consume.



Jill







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Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:08:23 -0800

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> > Lets get back to the subject of weight loss ... any one have any 

> > suggestions?

> > 

> > Kathrine

> 

> It's very simple.  Burn more calories than you consume.



That is the pro-exercise suggestion, which often works (but not always). 



I would recommend:



1. Eat regular meals (specific times). Don't skip or delay meals.

2. Avoid dessert (sweets with meals, including fruit).

3. Get more sleep/avoid caffeine.



Exercise daily. But don't burn yourself out.



As far as herbs go, take the herbs that balance your health. There are no good

herbs for 'weight loss'...'overweight' is not a diagnosis.



Paul





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Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:40:07 -0800

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Linda Lehne wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "Linda Lehne" <lrlehne@gte.net>:

>

> Hi,

> I'm a beginner here, could you tell a little more about what this means?

> Thanks,

> Linda

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>

> To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

> Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 12:45 PM

> Subject: Re: weight loss resolution



My point was that one of the common side effects of antidepressants such as

Paxil is weight gain; I wanted to express to the original writer an alternative

to antidepressants, as she complained of excess weight.  I found that I didn't

need antidepressants if my liver was in good shape. This may sound a little

bizarre, that there would be a connection between liver function and

mental/emotional states, but in my own experience, it is so.



I have been working on my liver, kidneys, and the body as a whole with herbs,

supplements and exercise, and I feel much more healthy than I did while taking

only the antidepressants.







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Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:24:57 -0800

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Anita Hales wrote:This is weird physiology.  This sounds to me like the gall

bladder cleanse



> rather than a liver cleanse.  It won't work for stones too large to pass

> either.  It will create more pain and problems if you stir things up with

> this if you don't know what's going on.  The gall bladder is not the liver.



Anita: This is why I was reluctant to put the recipe out; there is much

information in the book that fills in these gaps, such as the link between the

gallbladder and the liver. She talks about the composition and formation of

gallstones, and links them to parasites and cholesterol.



I put the recipe out so people could see what, generally, is involved, and I say

again, in order to understand, it really is more than wise to get the book, it

is necessary.



For more information from other sources, try these three articles:



"The Importance of the Liver for Healing," by Karl Maret, M.D.

at: www.healthy.net/library/articles/lillipoh/liver.htm



(Rudolph Steiner has credibility, in my opinion.)



Also: "The basics of Detoxing Your Liver" by Frances Albrecht, M.S., C.N.

at: delicious-online.com/health/articles/ened0497hs.html





Also: "Conquering Chronic Health Problems Without Drugs" by Julia Chang, M.Sc.

at: sensiblehealth.com













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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:27:39 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Harriett Hardin <hahardin@cntwk.net>:







Linda Lehne wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "Linda Lehne" <lrlehne@gte.net>:

>

> Hi,

> I'm a beginner here, could you tell a little more about what this means?

> Thanks,

> Linda

> -----Original Message-----

> From: Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>

> To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

> Date: Monday, December 21, 1998 12:45 PM

> Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

>

> >To herb@MyList.net from Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>:

> >

> >

> >

> >Judy and Bob McCabe wrote:

> >

> >> To herb@MyList.net from Judy and Bob McCabe <mccabe2@execpc.com>:

> >>

> >> Hi,

> >>

> >> With the new year approaching mine will "again" (sigh) be to loose

> weight.

> >> What herbs would be best to take as an aid to that end. I should mention

> >> that I am taking paxil. I know, I know...st johns wart would do the same

> >> thing but I haven't been brave enough to make the switch yet. I am open

> to

> >> any advice. Thanks.

> >>

> >> Judy

> >

> >Several years ago, I took antidepressants; I started with Prozac, but had

> side

> >effects; tried Zoloft, which was better; tried Paxil, which was better

> still;

> >then I got off antidepressants, wanting to be able to feel emotionally

> strong

> >and substantial on my own, without prescription drugs. Over a period of 6

> or 8

> >months, I noticed myself in a gradual downward spiral, becoming more

> >emotionally sensitive, irritable, and thoughts/thinking cycling more around

> >anxious concerns...

> >

> >I went to a new Doctor, who suggested I try Serzone, which was even better

> >than Paxil (for me).

> >

> >A couple of years later, I did a liver cleanse, as outlined in Clark's

> books,

> >and I found I no longer needed antidepressants.

> >

> >Since then, I have researched a little, and found that emotional states are

> >highly dependent upon the state of health of the liver. Now, when I feel

> >myself becoming nervous, when I feel my musculature beginning to tighten,

> >especially in the upper back, shoulders and neck, I know it's time to pay

> >attention to my liver again. For me, antidepressants were actually masking

> the

> >real problem. And I say this in spite of the fact that, when I was taking

> >them, they saved my life... I didn't know what else to do at the time.

> >

> >Ron

> >



I have concern about the author of  "cure for all diseases" book.  Ms Clark used

to work for a clinic in Mexico and they had to ask her to leave because some of

her advice caused patients not to recover, as in die...be careful that you do

not follow the adivce of someone who is not as knowledgeable as they claim to

be.  Some of the information in the book is excelent, she took it from other

sources (she says so herself).  Just be careful and use common sense.  This is

especially for those of you who are new to nutrition and alternative healing.

Harriett







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Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: EarthlingV@aol.com

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:55:36 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from EarthlingV@aol.com:



In a message dated 12/22/98 8:53:23 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com writes:



<< 

 Dear listers,

     I have lost some weight my drinking genmaicha tea with my evening meal.

 i discovered this by accident.

 I went from 148.9 pounds to present wt. of 124 lbs.

 I did nothing different that I know of,

 I swear by this tea.

 

  >>

hi i am new here and just wanted to ask a question,

could i use this tea twice a day?

thank you

earthy





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 18:09:21 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Anita: This is why I was reluctant to put the recipe out; there is much

> information in the book that fills in these gaps, such as the link

> between the gallbladder and the liver. She talks about the

> composition and formation of gallstones, and links them to parasites

> and cholesterol.



Hulda Clarke has as many wacko ideas as any health food store level

practitioner. She has a right to a 'following,' but I'll speak up here just so

the idea that her ideas are somehow 'baseline' for herbal healing is not given

the impression of endorsement by at least one of the professional healers on

the list.



There are those who believe that the liver and 'dirtiness' are the cause of all

illness, including cancer. That view is a mainstay of an entire arm of

naturopathy. Nothing new there, and certainly not consensus outside those

movements.



Cancer has plenty of causes that have nothing to do with the liver. And so does

depression.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 20:45:28 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



Dear listers,

    I have lost some weight my drinking genmaicha tea with my evening meal.

i discovered this by accident.

I went from 148.9 pounds to present wt. of 124 lbs.

I did nothing different that I know of,

I swear by this tea.





Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Fine Teas, Herbs, Spices, Fine Quality Soaps

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/customers.html





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 21:12:04 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:





It is green tea and when it dries it has rice dried with it.  The tibetian

monks created this from what I understand to curb their apppetites when on

long hikes over the mountains.



>What is genmaicha tea?  I've never heard of it.  Is it a specific herb, or

>a combination?

>

>Amber



Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Fine Teas, Herbs, Spices, Fine Quality Soaps

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/customers.html





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To: "herblist" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: weight loss resolution

From: "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 03:35:45 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Bill Winston" <b.winston@worldnet.att.net>:



>Lets get back to the subject of weight loss ... any one have any

suggestions?



>Kathrine



Licorice helps balance blood sugar and therefore helps eliminate cravings.



Gymnema Sylvestre, if taken just before eating, will block the absorption of

sugars.



Garcinia Cambogia does two things.  It inhibits the liver enzyme that turns

excess carbohydrates into fat (for storage).  Since the carbohydrates

continue to circulate in the blood, the brain is signaled that you are full

sooner than normal, so you tend to eat less.



Spirulina, Gymnema, Oatstraw, Nettle and Red Clover all contain fair amounts

of Chromium.  Chromium enhances the effect of Insulin on the cells.  Insulin

does two things: 1.  Allows Carbohydrates to enter muscle cells for storage

and later use as energy.  2.  Allows Fat to enter fat cells for storage and

later use as energy.  If you are taking Garcinia Cambogia and/or eating a

low fat diet, Chromium would be a plus; if not, I wouldn't recommend it.



Marie Winston

b.winston@worldnet.att.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Recommendations on Books on herbs

From: "Kristine J. Makl" <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 14:49:41 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Kristine J. Makl" <kjmakl@facstaff.wisc.edu>:



Hello,



I'm new to the Herb list.  Just lurking for now and will probably continue

to just lurk mostly.   I joined this list to learn what I can about herbs

and their use and I am enjoying the list very much.  I am interested mostly

in herbs for daily care of the body and also in healing of the body.  I'm

looking for a simple basic book on herbs and what their uses are.  One

specific medical problem I'd like to find an herb(s) to hopefully help with

is High Blood Pressure.  I have a friend who has high blood pressure and

"traditional" medicine doesn't seem to be helping and it also has side

effects.  I know it's last minute but I'd like to get a good book for my

friend as a Christmas present.  Any suggestions would be greatly

appreciated.  Please, nothing technical, just plain and simple :)



Thanks much



Kris











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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Recommendations on Books on herbs

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 17:10:21 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:





I'm

>looking for a simple basic book on herbs and what their uses are.



A very nice simple and elegant book is Penelope Ody's "The Complete

Medicinal Herbal".



One

>specific medical problem I'd like to find an herb(s) to hopefully help with

>is High Blood Pressure.  I have a friend who has high blood pressure and

>"traditional" medicine doesn't seem to be helping and it also has side

>effects



Depends on what is causing the high blood pressure.  Could be overweight (in

which case losing weight is the only cure).  Could be high blood sugar ( in

which case one must balance the body's metabolism of sugars).  could be any

number of things.  Exercise helps.  Dietary changes help.  The above

mentioned book is excellent for a gift too.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Recommendations on Books on herbs

From: Anthony Gundrum <agundrum@voicenet.com>

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:39:09 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from Anthony Gundrum <agundrum@voicenet.com>:



Lurking here too...



What I have found to be a good basic book is "Rodale's Illustrated Encyclopedia

of Herbs" ISBN 0-87857-699-1



Anthony



Anita Hales wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

> I'm

> >looking for a simple basic book on herbs and what their uses are.

>

> A very nice simple and elegant book is Penelope Ody's "The Complete

> Medicinal Herbal".

>

> One

> >specific medical problem I'd like to find an herb(s) to hopefully help with

> >is High Blood Pressure.  I have a friend who has high blood pressure and

> >"traditional" medicine doesn't seem to be helping and it also has side

> >effects

>

> Depends on what is causing the high blood pressure.  Could be overweight (in

> which case losing weight is the only cure).  Could be high blood sugar ( in

> which case one must balance the body's metabolism of sugars).  could be any

> number of things.  Exercise helps.  Dietary changes help.  The above

> mentioned book is excellent for a gift too.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Recommendations on Books on herbs

From: reid.james@juno.com (Reid A James)

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 10:16:07 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from reid.james@juno.com (Reid A James):





On Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:39:09 -0500 Anthony Gundrum

<agundrum@voicenet.com> writes:



>Lurking here too...



I, too am a lurker- have only been on lis for a couple of days...



>What I have found to be a good basic book is "Rodale's Illustrated 

>Encyclopedia

>of Herbs" ISBN 0-87857-699-1



Another good book is "Rodale's Encyclopedia of Natural Home Remedies" 

ISBN 0-87857-396-8.  I have found it to be helpful several times

recently.



Reid



>Anita Hales wrote:

>

>> To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" 

><Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>>

>> I'm looking for a simple basic book on herbs and what their uses are.



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Subject: Re: Recommendations on Books on herbs

From: Hedgewitch@vcol.net (VCOL - Frank Cordeiro)

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 19:49:21 -0800

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----------

>  I have a friend who has high blood pressure and

> "traditional" medicine doesn't seem to be helping and it also has side

> effects.  I know it's last minute but I'd like to get a good book for my

> friend as a Christmas present.  Any suggestions would be greatly

> appreciated.  Please, nothing technical, just plain and simple :)



Hi Kris, 

I had the same problem and "An Elders' Herbal" by David Hoffman worked

wonders.  It gives simple advise that allows one to mix a blend to fit the

individual.  Medication (Cozaar, Hydrochlorothiazide, and Liptor) did

nothing after a month but when I was checked about ten days after starting

herbal tea (using Hawthorn as a base) my Blood Pressure and Cholesterol

were so low that my Doctor and I were both amazed.

Best Wishes,

Lizard







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: ask for help

From: "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:55:46 +0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:



Hello,everyone:



    I want to know the advertising sites which can find herb product

information, anyone can help me?



Thank you in advance





Chinahawk







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: ask for help

From: Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 23:29:20 -0800

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Li Pengyun wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:

>

> Hello,everyone:

>

>     I want to know the advertising sites which can find herb product

> information, anyone can help me?

>

> Thank you in advance

>

> Chinahawk



Use any search engine and type in "herbs." You should get thousands of

pages...





Ron







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Astragalus

From: "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:56:36 +0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:



Astragalus is a traditional Chinese herb derived from the root of the

perennial Astragalus membranaceus. In China astragalus enjoyed a long

history of use in traditional medicine to strengthen the Wei Ch'i or

"defensive energy" or as we call it, the immune system. Regarded as a potent

tonic for increasing energy levels and stimulating the immune system,

astragalus has also been employed effectively as a diuretic, a vasodilator

and as a treatment for respiratory infections.



  Does anyone can tell me which kind product of Astragalus (raw herb,extract

or tincture) can do best to our body?



chinahawk









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Astragalus

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 21 Dec 1998 21:01:52 -0800

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> In China astragalus enjoyed a long

> history of use in traditional medicine to strengthen the Wei Ch'i or

> "defensive energy" or as we call it, the immune system.



The concept 'immune system' is NOT equivalent to wei qi. Wei qi is the part of

the qi that guards the pores from the attack of wind (an external pathogenic

force). The immune system includes as its primary mechanism 'complement,' which

protects the blood and tissues from infection (internal sphere of action). 



There is very little correlation between these two forces, either in

symptomology or in sphere of action.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Astragalus

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 20:29:52 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



A decoction of dried astragalus root is the best way to take it.  The

root must boil at least 20 minutes.  Use it in soups or cooked rice.  It

has a fairly neutral flavoring effect.



Karen Vaughan



On Tue, 22 Dec 1998 09:56:36 +0800 "Li Pengyun"

<jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:

>  Does anyone can tell me which kind product of Astragalus (raw 

>herb,extract

>or tincture) can do best to our body?

>

>chinahawk

>

>

>



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Subject: Astragalus

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 11:14:51 -0600

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First I would make certain that you really had astragalus.  Astragalus is

slightly sweet, not bitter, and warming.  IT cooks well in chicken soup. 

Also, make sure you have enough water.  If you make anything too

concentrated it won't taste good.



Tasting herbs is better.



Karen Vaughan



On Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:53:03 +0800 "Li Pengyun"

<jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:

>

>

>-----Original Message-----

>: creationsgarden@juno.com <creationsgarden@juno.com>

>ռ: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

>: 19981226 3:50

>: Re: Astragalus

>

>

>>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>>

>>A decoction of dried astragalus root is the best way to take it.  The

>>root must boil at least 20 minutes.  Use it in soups or cooked rice.  

>It

>>has a fairly neutral flavoring effect.

>>

>>Karen Vaughan

>

>

>I have tried to drink  the decoction of astragalus, but I felt very 

>bitter.

>I think I can maybe use capascule capsules of astragalus extract. but 

>I find

>extract is very easy deliquescence. Have any advice?

>

>



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Subject: Herbalist

From: Christine Pereira <cdlpereira@yahoo.com>

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 12:11:03 -0800 (PST)

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Greetings :)



I am new to the list and I wanted to say "hello" to all :)

I have always been interested in herbs.  Recently, I have enrolled in

the courses through Michael Tierra's East West School of Herbology. 

Has anyone else completed the 36 lesson course to be a herbalist ? 

What is everyone's opinion on it ?  So far, I find it very intense. 

There is a lot of knowledge tucked away in there!



Again, greetings to all :)



Christine









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Hulda Clark and herbal advice

From: Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>

Date: Tue, 22 Dec 1998 16:20:43 -0800

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Harriett Hardin wrote:

I have concern about the author of  "cure for all diseases" book.  Ms Clark used



> to work for a clinic in Mexico and they had to ask her to leave because some of

> her advice caused patients not to recover, as in die...be careful that you do

> not follow the adivce of someone who is not as knowledgeable as they claim to

> be.  Some of the information in the book is excelent, she took it from other

> sources (she says so herself).  Just be careful and use common sense.  This is

> especially for those of you who are new to nutrition and alternative healing.

> Harriett



I agree. I don't follow anyone's advice, even my own, without careful consideration.

I am not trying to get people to follow Clark or her liver cleansing recipe. It did

a lot for me, but there are other things in her book that I use for informational

purposes, rather than "belief" purposes.



Actually, I am looking for a better way to cleanse the liver, because, although her

recipe works (I feel MUCH better afterward) it pretty much takes 2 days to do, where

I can't be very constructive otherwise.



I'm thinking of trying the Chinese herbs that were mentioned in articles I made

reference to this morning in a post to this list.



In regard to looking for exquisite sources of perfect, complete information without

error, omission or bias, I don't think we'll ever find it anywhere. To discount any

source of information because it is not perfect makes it pretty hard to learn. I

think the key is to make sense of of what we see, hear, and sense ourselves, and to

continue growing and learning, making the best efforts to move ahead in a

constructive fashion. Although Clark is not perfect, I still find plenty of

interesting points of view that, in the long run, make me a more informed and

capable person.



Ron







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: tea

From: "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 16:12:19 +0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:



  In china ,  I have found some research articles about the oxidation

products of catechin which is one important active ingredient of tea . These

articles said these oxidation products can lower blood fat,protect liver and

suppress tumor cells. but When I search medline, I find no research article

supporting them.

  If anyone can tell me where I can find these articles, I will be very

appreciated.



Li Pengyun







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tea

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 02:10:07 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



Li Pengyun,



Reason why you don't find information on catechin in medline is that medline, as

far as I know, deals with orthodox western medicine.  Maybe if more people 

discovered the benefits of green tea, pharmaceutical companies and MDs would

have less business.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tea

From: "Dr. Georges-Louis Friedli" <georges-louis@friedli.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:33:58 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Dr. Georges-Louis Friedli" <georges-louis@friedli.com>:



If you want information on teas (including green tea) write to Dr.

Clifford, Reader in Food Science, School of Biological Sciences, University

of Surrey, Guildford, Surrey.

ENGLAND. UK.



He is the top researcher on teas. You can also find some of his books on

tea from Amozon.com



He was one of my PhD examiners.



Louis

Georges-Louis Friedli, PhD, MSc, PgD.

http://www.friedli.com

http://www.freeyellow.com/members/louis





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: tea

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:20:08 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



Li Pengyun,



Are you a Chinese medical practitioner?



Your subject came through as =?gb2312?B?u9i4tDogdGVh?=

evidently the way it was translated from Chinese.



United States standard for testing drugs requires animal experiments and double-

blind placebo-controlled human trials, assembly-line medicine where drug treats

disease with no regard for individual differences.  Chinese and Ayurvedic herbs,

and herbs in other parts of the world, have proved their virtue over hundreds

or thousands of years.  Western drugs often have adverse side effects.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: "'herb@MyList.net'" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: RE: more weight loss

From: Petkovsky Tracy <TPetkovsky@tnsi.com>

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 06:51:56 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Petkovsky Tracy <TPetkovsky@tnsi.com>:



	My response to this.....If the daily recommended intake of

calories is anywhere from 1500-2200 calories, and I only burn 180-200

calories in 40 minutes of walking (12min mile) and Stair Master, I think

I would be on the treadmill and stair master for about 5.5 hours. to

most of the day.   So I'd either be starving myself or spending my life

in the gym.  It really isn't as simple as that.



	Tracy



	>> It's very simple.  Burn more calories than you consume.

> Jill  >> 

> 

> 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: RE: more weight loss

From: jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org (Jill F. Becker)

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 98 15:17:43 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org (Jill F. Becker):





Tracy wrote:



> 	My response to this.....If the daily recommended intake of

> calories is anywhere from 1500-2200 calories,



If I ate the 'recommended intake,' I'd be a walking blob.



> and I only burn 180-200 calories in 40 minutes of walking (12min mile)

> and Stair Master, I think I would be on the treadmill and stair master

> for about 5.5 hours to  most of the day.  So I'd either be starving

> myself or spending my life in the gym.  It really isn't as simple as

> that.



I maintain that it IS (almost) that simple.  ;)



I guess the thing that irritates me is that so many people want

to take a pill or an herb or drink a cup of tea and ...magically lose

weight. 



It doesn't work that way.  You HAVE to make a lifestyle change.  If you

want to lose weight, you have to burn more calories than you take in.

So...you have two choices.  You can either consume fewer calories, and/or

you can exercise.  People who change their eating pattern and adopt some

form of exercise on a regular basis stand a much better chance of success

than those who just diet.



I don't mean to plug Paul, but adhering to his dietary recommendations WILL

help.  And I don't think you have to spend countless hours exercising or exercise at a particularly high level (although I'll admit I still do high-intensity aerobic workouts several times a week).  Walking is terrific exercise. I think the studies show that low-level aerobic work (like

brisk walking) burns more fat than does high-intensity work.



And remember, toned muscle matabolizes at a higher rate than untoned muscle.

So, by exercising regularly, you burn more calories ALL the time...not just

during the time when you're actually working out.



Jill







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:more weight loss

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 01:59:19 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:



In response to Petkovsky Tracy <TPetkovsky@tnsi.com>:



Your calculation on daily calorie use neglects the calories used for basal

metabolism.  You use those calories even if you never walk further than bed

to dinette table  or toilet and have somebody do all your shopping and cooking.



But some people gain weight easier than others.  Some people can pig out and 

never get fat.  I guess you are not one of those.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: more weight loss

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 00:01:01 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



>  My response to this.....If the daily recommended intake of

> calories is anywhere from 1500-2200 calories, and I only burn 180-200

> calories in 40 minutes of walking (12min mile) and Stair Master, I think

> I would be on the treadmill and stair master for about 5.5 hours. to

> most of the day.   So I'd either be starving myself or spending my life

> in the gym.  It really isn't as simple as that.

> 

>  Tracy



That's a misunderstanding of the physiology. It's not the calories burnt, it's

the whole enhancement of the metabolism. You burn more all the time, and that

is why exercise will make you lose weight.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: causes of cancer & depression

From: Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 13:06:25 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Ron Tay <opendoor@pacbell.net>:







p_iannone@lamg.com wrote:

There are those who believe that the liver and 'dirtiness' are the cause of all



> illness, including cancer. That view is a mainstay of an entire arm of

> naturopathy. Nothing new there, and certainly not consensus outside those

> movements.

>

> Cancer has plenty of causes that have nothing to do with the liver. And so does

> depression.

>

> Paul



When I wrote of my experiences with depression, drugs, and cleansing the liver, I

wrote based upon the presumption that the readers of this list are of reasonable

sound mind and judgment; that they understand that reality is very complex; that

oversimplification is one of the major causes of ignorance; that knowledge is never

perfected, but is always improved.



If it were necessary to qualify everything said, ad infinitum, and to present only

the finished, perfected truth and understanding, nothing could be said.



Ron











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: causes of cancer & depression

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 01:17:21 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> If it were necessary to qualify everything said, ad infinitum, and

> to present only the finished, perfected truth and understanding,

> nothing could be said.



That would be fine, but the issue is not what you are saying, but what Clark

says, which is what my post was about. This is not consensus alternative

healing.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Seattle

From: j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

Date: Wed, 23 Dec 1998 23:26:17 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):



Winter Greetings to all!

	While all the plants and seeds take a winter reprive to

replenish...

	Does anone know of a good herbalist or acupuncturist in the

Seattle area?  Friend with Hep C needs good care givers.

Thank you,    jenny iris



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Seattle

From: Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 10:54:01 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com>:



At 11:26 PM 12/23/98 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):

>

>Winter Greetings to all!

>	While all the plants and seeds take a winter reprive to

>replenish...

>	Does anone know of a good herbalist or acupuncturist in the

>Seattle area?  Friend with Hep C needs good care givers.

>Thank you,    jenny iris





Hi Jenny,



Check out our shop in Seattle.......1811 Queen Anne Ave., N., ste 103.

206.283.7191.  We have a bulletin board with lots of good alternative

resources in the Seattle area, and Pam Taylor, store manager, can give you

lots of leads.  There is contact information for an excellent acupunturist,

Brenda Duzan, who is also a nurse.  Brenda gives lectures in our shop about

acupunture.  Pick up a free Natural Choices Directory while you are there,

too.



Be well,  



    

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/

Agora pages I host:

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/Agora/taxonomy.htm

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/Agora/distillation.htm





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: ظ: tea

From: "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 17:31:54 +0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:





-----Original Message-----

: tmueller@bluegrass.net <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

ռ: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

: 19981224 16:14

: Re: tea





>To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:

>

>Li Pengyun,

>

>Reason why you don't find information on catechin in medline is that

medline, as

>far as I know, deals with orthodox western medicine.  Maybe if more people

>discovered the benefits of green tea, pharmaceutical companies and MDs

would

>have less business.

>

>Thomas Mueller

>tmueller@bluegrass.net



    Many herb in china have many benefit (more than two thousand years

practices have proven this).   although  they are moderate   ,the effects of

most herbs can last more long and toxin is very low. I have met many

patients that cured or alleviated their illnesses which can not be cured by

western medicines.



Li Pengyun







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: ظ: tea

From: "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>

Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 16:09:55 +0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:



Yes , I am a chinese medical researcher. I work for a pharmaceutical Co.

which produce traditional chinese medicines. my duty is to research and

develop chinese herbs

-----Original Message-----

: tmueller@bluegrass.net <tmueller@bluegrass.net>

ռ: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

: 19981226 12:23

: Re: tea





>To herb@MyList.net from tmueller@bluegrass.net:

>

>Li Pengyun,

>

>Are you a Chinese medical practitioner?

>

>Your subject came through as =?gb2312?B?u9i4tDogdGVh?=

>evidently the way it was translated from Chinese.

>

>United States standard for testing drugs requires animal experiments and

double-

>blind placebo-controlled human trials, assembly-line medicine where drug

treats

>disease with no regard for individual differences.  Chinese and Ayurvedic

herbs,

>and herbs in other parts of the world, have proved their virtue over

hundreds

>or thousands of years.  Western drugs often have adverse side effects.

>

>Thomas Mueller

>tmueller@bluegrass.net

>

>

>







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Santa's mushrooms

From: "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 09:40:17 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Joanie MacPhee" <macphee@net1plus.com>:



In this essay on the origins of Santa Claus is a section on the possible

connection of the Amanita muscaria, or fly agaric, mushroom.

http://www.wordsworth.com/www/excerpt/0316366110/87193675



Read, enjoy, and have a merry day....Joanie







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Genmaicha tea & St. John's Wort

From: RickVanBen@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 12:58:48 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from RickVanBen@aol.com:





In a message dated 12/23/98 7:25:44 AM, you wrote:

Hi all,



I'm curious about Genmaicha tea.  Does anyone know of any negative

interactions with St. John's Wort?



Wishing everyone healthy & happy holidays,



Rick

RickVanBen@aol.com



<<Dear listers,

    I have lost some weight my drinking genmaicha tea with my evening meal.

i discovered this by accident.

I went from 148.9 pounds to present wt. of 124 lbs.

I did nothing different that I know of,

I swear by this tea.

>>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Genmaicha tea & St. John's Wort

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 13:38:45 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:





I have never heard of Green tea causing problems with anything but I

haven't heard of everything yet,,,,as I am reminded by my family <G>





>In a message dated 12/23/98 7:25:44 AM, you wrote:

>Hi all,>I'm curious about Genmaicha tea.  Does anyone know of any negative

interactions with St. John's Wort?

>Wishing everyone healthy & happy holidays,

>Rick

>RickVanBen@aol.com

>

Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Fine Teas, Herbs, Spices, Fine Quality Soaps

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/customers.html





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Genmaicha tea & St. John's Wort

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:08:12 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:









>I have never heard of Green tea causing problems with anything but I

>haven't heard of everything yet,,,,as I am reminded by my family <G>



Green tea contains caffeine.  Some strains more than others.  Caffeine

containing substances would be contraindicated in hypoglycaemia because they

would cause an increase in adrenaline and insulin production which in turn

would quicken the lowering of blood sugar.  It is also habit forming.

In most people it would not be a particular problem unless you drink it

every day.  There are withdrawal symptoms which are unpleasant from caffeine

addiction.









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Genmaicha tea & St. John's Wort

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 06:18:15 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



What is the exact amount of caffiene in Green Tea?

What is the exact amount in coffee?

Would you know that?



At 10:08 PM 12/24/98 -0900, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:

>

>

>

>

>>I have never heard of Green tea causing problems with anything but I

>>haven't heard of everything yet,,,,as I am reminded by my family <G>

>

>Green tea contains caffeine.  Some strains more than others.  Caffeine

>containing substances would be contraindicated in hypoglycaemia because they

>would cause an increase in adrenaline and insulin production which in turn

>would quicken the lowering of blood sugar.  It is also habit forming.

>In most people it would not be a particular problem unless you drink it

>every day.  There are withdrawal symptoms which are unpleasant from caffeine

>addiction.

>

>

>

Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Fine Teas, Herbs, Spices, Fine Quality Soaps

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/customers.html





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Genmaicha tea & St. John's Wort

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 08:00:39 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>What is the exact amount of caffiene in Green Tea?

>What is the exact amount in coffee?

>Would you know that?





Tea has some variation depeding on what you get.  There's some green tea

called Gunpowder tea that really packs a wallop.  I don't know the exact

amount but I'm sure it's readily available information you can find in a

library.  Seems like I read something about it in a Reader's Digest a while

back.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: KaiforChi@aol.com

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 18:57:09 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from KaiforChi@aol.com:



In a message dated 12/24/98 1:43:46 PM Pacific Standard Time, rexrex@erols.com

writes:



<< I know very little about herbs, but am intrigued by the subject.  Could

 someone tell me what some herbal remedies would be for headaches? >>



Jan, what works for me is lavendar oil, rubbed into my temples. It is quite

fast-acting. I don't know if the crushed herb would also work, but it's worth

a try.



kai





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 24 Dec 1998 22:10:19 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:







>

Could

> someone tell me what some herbal remedies would be for headaches? >>

>

>Jan, what works for me is lavendar oil, rubbed into my temples.



IT depends on the type of headache and it's cause.  In a gross

generalization, there is probably some heat in the liver when there are

recurring headaches.  So herbs to cool the liver would be indicated along

with other herbs to be directed at the cause.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Headaches

From: JAK <rexrex@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 04:41:00 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from JAK <rexrex@erols.com>:



I know very little about herbs, but am intrigued by the subject.  Could

someone tell me what some herbal remedies would be for headaches?



Thanks,



Jan Taylor

Baltimore, MD







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 11:17:06 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>:



> Could someone tell me what some herbal remedies would be for headaches? >>

>

>Jan, what works for me is lavendar oil, rubbed into my temples.



>IT depends on the type of headache and it's cause.  In a gross

>generalization, there is probably some heat in the liver when there are

>recurring headaches.  So herbs to cool the liver would be indicated along

>with other herbs to be directed at the cause.

>>



Don't forget to look at other causes, as well. While some of my

headaches are caused by heat in the liver, many are caused by

neck problems, and without that cause being addressed, I won't get 

relief from the headache. While that can't be done with herbs, (and

I realize that herbs are the focus of this list), it's still

an important point. I went to headache specialists for years,

then to a chiropractor, and no one ever checked my neck,

until I went to a doctor of Chinese medicine. It never

dawned on me that could be at least one culprit...so I

want to make sure that others don't overlook that as well.

Lavender does work for me for tension headaches, and stress

does contribute to heat in the liver...so that's still a

good suggestion, as is the suggestion for herbs to cool

the liver and herbs directed at the cause.

Jeri  kurvenal@ameritech.net





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: JAK <rexrex@erols.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 20:55:13 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from JAK <rexrex@erols.com>:



I have had frequent headaches for the past 10 years.  They have ranged from mild

headaches to migraines.  At one point in time I was treated at Johns Hopkins due

to frequent migraines and after extensive testing they diagnosed them as tension

related. Earlier this year I  went to a chiropractor for 3 months and this did

not provide any relief for the headaches.



Jan



Jeri wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from Jeri <kurvenal@ameritech.net>:

>

> > Could someone tell me what some herbal remedies would be for headaches? >>

> >

> >Jan, what works for me is lavendar oil, rubbed into my temples.

>

> >IT depends on the type of headache and it's cause.  In a gross

> >generalization, there is probably some heat in the liver when there are

> >recurring headaches.  So herbs to cool the liver would be indicated along

> >with other herbs to be directed at the cause.

> >>

>

> Don't forget to look at other causes, as well. While some of my

> headaches are caused by heat in the liver, many are caused by

> neck problems, and without that cause being addressed, I won't get

> relief from the headache. While that can't be done with herbs, (and

> I realize that herbs are the focus of this list), it's still

> an important point. I went to headache specialists for years,

> then to a chiropractor, and no one ever checked my neck,

> until I went to a doctor of Chinese medicine. It never

> dawned on me that could be at least one culprit...so I

> want to make sure that others don't overlook that as well.

> Lavender does work for me for tension headaches, and stress

> does contribute to heat in the liver...so that's still a

> good suggestion, as is the suggestion for herbs to cool

> the liver and herbs directed at the cause.

> Jeri  kurvenal@ameritech.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:55:31 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> I have had frequent headaches for the past 10 years.  They have

> ranged from mild headaches to migraines.  At one point in time I was

> treated at Johns Hopkins due to frequent migraines and after

> extensive testing they diagnosed them as tension related. Earlier

> this year I  went to a chiropractor for 3 months and this did not

> provide any relief for the headaches.

> 

> Jan



Caffeine intake?



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: JAK <rexrex@erols.com>

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 07:52:55 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from JAK <rexrex@erols.com>:



As part of the treatment at Hopkins, the first thing they recommend is

diet change (caffeine was eliminated and still is today).  Diet change had

no impact on reducing the headaches.



Jan



p_iannone@lamg.com wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

>

> > I have had frequent headaches for the past 10 years.  They have

> > ranged from mild headaches to migraines.  At one point in time I was

> > treated at Johns Hopkins due to frequent migraines and after

> > extensive testing they diagnosed them as tension related. Earlier

> > this year I  went to a chiropractor for 3 months and this did not

> > provide any relief for the headaches.

> >

> > Jan

>

> Caffeine intake?

>

> Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 22:30:24 -0500

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Aliceann or Scott Carlton <carlton@mint.net>:



Hello Jan--

This interesting thread is taking the usual complex route regarding

treatment of headaches.  You mentioned diet change like eliminating

caffeine, but not much about diet as a whole, or more importantly,

effective digestion so that whatever you do eat supports your body tissues

and channels rather than adding to a toxic load.  You said diet change made

no difference, but didn't say how long or what was changed. Often with

chronic headaches, the need is to clear toxins, rebuild digestive fire

through simplified diet, and restore body awareness and flexibility through

movement and breath work.  You might explore some yoga postures that would

help with restoration of Prana as well as diet and lifestyle corrections.  



While some hypnotic and sedative herbs will relieve symptoms, they will not

provide the lightness and clear channels you need to achieve long term

change.The issue of heating or cooling the liver through herbs really

depends on knowledge of your overall functioning in addition to the

headaches.  You might want to look into this further with a qualified

Chinese medicine practitioner or Ayurvedic medicine practitioner in your

area.  

Good luck.

Aliceann Carlton

carlton@mint.net







At 07:52 AM 12/26/98 -0800, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from JAK <rexrex@erols.com>:

>

>As part of the treatment at Hopkins, the first thing they recommend is

>diet change (caffeine was eliminated and still is today).  Diet change had

>no impact on reducing the headaches.

>

>Jan

>

>p_iannone@lamg.com wrote:

>

>> To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

>>

>> > I have had frequent headaches for the past 10 years.  They have

>> > ranged from mild headaches to migraines.  At one point in time I was

>> > treated at Johns Hopkins due to frequent migraines and after

>> > extensive testing they diagnosed them as tension related. Earlier

>> > this year I  went to a chiropractor for 3 months and this did not

>> > provide any relief for the headaches.

>> >

>> > Jan

>>

>> Caffeine intake?

>>

>> Paul

>

>

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including "New Photos" and "A List of Maine Spider Species" has finally

made it!  Last update:  10 Nov. 1998.  







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 22:55:52 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> While some of my

> headaches are caused by heat in the liver, many are caused by

> neck problems, and without that cause being addressed, I won't get 

> relief from the headache. 



Except that liver heat commonly CAUSES neck problems....



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:16:13 -0800

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> As part of the treatment at Hopkins, the first thing they recommend is

> diet change (caffeine was eliminated and still is today).  Diet change had

> no impact on reducing the headaches.

> 

> Jan



'Diet change' is not what I am discussing. A person with 'tension headaches'

very likely has lifestyle errors that cause tension. WHAT ARE THEY?



Provided you care to know. I mean, if you have done all the moves and seen all

the authorities, then I guess you're just incurably unwell. But that isn't my

worldview.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:47:39 -0900

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>

>I have had frequent headaches for the past 10 years.  They have ranged from

mild

>headaches to migraines.  At one point in time I was treated at Johns

Hopkins due

>to frequent migraines and after extensive testing they diagnosed them as

tension

>related. Earlier this year I  went to a chiropractor for 3 months and this

did

>not provide any relief for the headaches.



There can be hormonal causes too which conventional medicine never looks at.

Women should take a close look at their hormones when migraines are present.

Toxins in the environment.  Stress may be present because of body

imbalances.  Balance the body and you reduce the effects of stress.  Stress

itself is not the problem it's our body's ability to deal with it.  There

are things you can do to help your body deal with stress but you have to

have a good diagnosis.







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 15:21:45 EST

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In a message dated 12/25/98 8:57:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, rexrex@erols.com

writes:



<< I have had frequent headaches for the past 10 years.  They have ranged from

mild

 headaches to migraines.  At one point in time I was treated at Johns Hopkins

due

 to frequent migraines and after extensive testing they diagnosed them as

tension

 related. Earlier this year I  went to a chiropractor for 3 months and this

did

 not provide any relief for the headaches. >>



While my specialty is migraines, there are may different "kinds" of headaches

in addition to migraines.  There is the tension-stress headache; cluster

headaches; menstrual headaches that begin at the cycle; migraines with aura;

migraines without aura; and sinus headaches to name a few of the better known

ones.  It is imperative to know which one you have because the treatment is

different for each one depending upon the etiology or origin of the headache.

There are also certain "triggers" that each of us have so it's also important

to know what your body reacts to.  There is the disturbance of normal sleep;

allergies; a change in oxygen level in your room at night; diet; stress;

change of location; change of baromatric pressure; internal imbalance;

improper or irregular elimination; hormonal fluctuations, and on and on.  



>From my experience I would say I see mainly stress-related headaches; sinus

headaches; and diagnosed migraines.  All of them require a different treatment

plan depending upon "why" they are occurring in each client.  So I do a long

intake (about an hour and a half) and our intake sheet is 14 pages of history.

We do a light physical, and then we treat with possibly a mixture of diet

counseling; vitamin and mineral therapy; and herbs.  It is a change of

lifestyle to learn to deal with some of these headaches and requires a

commitment on the part of the client to do as we suggest.



So to say that one thing or another helps with headaches would be misleading

you and unfair to pin us down to one herb that will work for all headaches.

If you can get to a herbalist in your area or a natural health professional

who can do a work-up on you you would be giving yourself the gift of good

health!



Mary Conley, MNH



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Headaches

From: GreenNow@aol.com

Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 17:21:57 EST

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I.   Headache relief...

Try cutting out amines such as chocolate, cheese and alcohol 

Cut out  food additives and colorings 

Avoid red meats and saturated animal fats ...try buying organic meats

Eliminate anything with aspartame (NutraSweet) 

Add  essential fatty acids (EFAs) ... (one good inexpensive source is flax

seeds .. grind up in a coffee grinder and add to cereals such as oatmeal,

salads, soups, etc)



II.   Quercetin impacts enzyme systems and has these (and lots more)

advantages

Anti-inflammatory 

Anti-oxidant 

Decreases breakdown of collagen matrix of connective tissue 

Inhibits platelet aggregation 



III.  Here are  a few foods and herbs that contain quercetin 

Apple 

Asparagus 

Bearberry (Arctostaphylos uva-ursi) 

Bell Peppers 

Boneset (Eupatorium perfoliatum) 

Brussel Sprouts 

Dill 

Elder flowers (Sambucus canadensis) 

Eucalyptus (Eucalyptus globullus) 

Fenugreek (Trigonella foenum-graecum) 

Kale 

Passion flower (Passiflora incarnata) 

Pear 

Onion 

Tarragon 



IV.   Well known, easily obtainable herbs you'll be able to get good info on:

Feverfew

Ginger

Ginko

Cayenne



V.   A book for less than $7.00 

 Feverfew : Your Headache May Be over 

by Ken Hancock, Christopher Hobbs (Photographer) 



You haven't found the right health practitioner..keep searching...





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:14:12 -0800

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What's the scoop on herb grinders? Usually I used processed herbs, but I need to

do some cut-n-sifting on a special project. How much do you have to pay, where

do you buy an herb grinder, and which brands or which types of mechanism are

best/to be avoided.



TIA.



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Headaches

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:26:18 EST

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In a message dated 12/28/98 3:15:38 PM Eastern Standard Time,

p_iannone@lamg.com writes:



<< d which brands or which types of mechanism are

 best/to be avoided.

 

 TIA.

 

 Paul

  >>



I just pull out the old cusinart.



- Mary Conley





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: lavender and headache's

From: "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 10:44:10 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Ian Caldicott" <ian@lavenderfarms.com>:





<< I know very little about herbs, but am intrigued by the subject.  Could

 someone tell me what some herbal remedies would be for headaches? >>



Jan, what works for me is lavendar oil, rubbed into my temples. It is quite

fast-acting. I don't know if the crushed herb would also work, but it's

worth

a try.



kai



The crushed herb can also work and can be used in a number of ways.  Using a

lavender sleep pillow or mask over your eyes while resting works well on

many headaches.  I personally like lavender tea and have heard that a

lavender bath.before bed is quite effective for nighttime headaches. The key

does seem to be the cause of the headache



Ian Caldicott

Ian@lavenderfarms.com

http://www.lavenderfarms.com

Lavender Growers webring at http://www.a1netmarketing.com/lavring.htm







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: ظ: Astragalus

From: "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 08:53:03 +0800

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-----Original Message-----

: creationsgarden@juno.com <creationsgarden@juno.com>

ռ: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

: 19981226 3:50

: Re: Astragalus





>To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:

>

>A decoction of dried astragalus root is the best way to take it.  The

>root must boil at least 20 minutes.  Use it in soups or cooked rice.  It

>has a fairly neutral flavoring effect.

>

>Karen Vaughan





I have tried to drink  the decoction of astragalus, but I felt very bitter.

I think I can maybe use capascule capsules of astragalus extract. but I find

extract is very easy deliquescence. Have any advice?







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Genmaicha tea

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:23:13 -0500

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I have read/heard differing information on caffeine in green tea.  I have been

taking Chinese green gunpowder tea, usually in a mixed herbal brew, though not

all the time.  It seems to bring far-reaching but not quick relief for my asthma

symptoms and suppresses or mollifies the consequences of eating something that

would give me a delayed asthmatic reaction.  I don't notice any caffeine buzz,

or impediment to sleep.  I still must stay away from tobacco smoke.  I have had

intervals without green tea, and no caffeine withdrawal symptoms.



One husband and wife, small-scale farmers, make green tea soap which they bring 

to the farmers market on Saturday mornings, now closed for the season.  They 

tell me they drink coffee for the stimulation when they have to get up early,

as for the farmers market, on insufficient sleep.



There is the question of caffeine availability, and I don't know the answer for

the various varieties/brands of green tea.  Roasted and raw coffee would

probably have about the same caffeine content, but I believe roasting, in the

case of coffee, is needed to release the caffeine.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Genmaicha tea

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Fri, 25 Dec 1998 23:07:45 -0800

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> I don't notice any

> caffeine buzz, or impediment to sleep.  



Doesn't mean it isn't causing health problems.



>I still must stay away from

> tobacco smoke.  I have had intervals without green tea, and no

> caffeine withdrawal symptoms.



Gunpowder is partly fermented, I believe, so it is higher in caffeine than

green tea.



> One husband and wife, small-scale farmers, make green tea soap which

> they bring  to the farmers market on Saturday mornings, now closed

> for the season.  They  tell me they drink coffee for the stimulation

> when they have to get up early, as for the farmers market, on

> insufficient sleep.



You can get a substantial buzz from several cups of green tea. Or mate. Or

coffee. Or chocolate. These all contain xantine derivatives---a range of

rearrangements of the caffeine molecule that all have the stimulant effects of

caffeine.

 

> There is the question of caffeine availability, and I don't know the

> answer for the various varieties/brands of green tea.  



Green tea is about half of coffee. Black tea can be about the same as coffee,

but generally say 5-20% less. It varies. Cokes are about the same as coffee.



>Roasted and

> raw coffee would probably have about the same caffeine content, 



Roasting coffee can, however, produce rancidity and TFA's (trans-fatty acids,

which are bad for you). 



>but

> I believe roasting, in the case of coffee, is needed to release the

> caffeine.



No, it isn't. You can get caffeine out of green beans with boiling water.



Paul





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Genmaicha tea

From: Hedgewitch@vcol.net (VCOL - Frank Cordeiro)

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 09:14:08 -0800

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Potter says Coffee has 0.06 - 0.32% Caffeine when fresh, less when roasted.

He also states there is caffeine in tea but does not list the percentage.

He references the "Encyclopedia of Common Natural Ingredients used in Food

Drugs and Cosmetics".



Lizard







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:Genmaicha tea

From: tmueller@bluegrass.net

Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 01:28:49 -0500

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Paul,



> Doesn't mean it isn't causing health problems.



As for those alleged health problems, green tea is evidently alleviating rather

than causing health problems.  In April 1997, persistent breathing difficulty

gradually intensifying over about 12 days sent me to the emergency room.  It

was a miserable, expensive experience, and there were several long waits.

Treatment was sloppy, they were content to let me starve, I was admitted to the

hospital but left AMA (against medical advice) the next day with prescription

for albuterol and ipratropium bromide inhalers.  It seems they wanted to keep

me for a week for tests that could be done on an outpatient basis.  In May 1998,

discovering the virtues of green tea, I saw how I could have avoided the whole

hospital mess, 90% confident.



Last Dec 19 I got a gradually intensifying throat tickle likely from something

I ate, likely mackerel, raising the possibility of scombroid poisoning, with

intense tickle at and just below the throat, causing painful muscle

tightening the first night, so I couldn't sleep, but luckily no serious

breathing difficulty.  I prepared a herbal brew including green tea the next

morning and was able to sleep the next night though the roof of my mouth became

very sore during the night.  Later I coughed up a lot of mucus from the lungs,

this gradually diminishing over several days, only a little bit now.  All that

pulmonary mucus is an obstacle to breathing, and I think I was hit worse than

in March-April 1997 but was better prepared.  Without the green tea, breathing

would likely have become decidedly problematic.  I didn't need any

pharmaceuticals!  It was much better than going back to that hospital or

seeing any of their doctors.  Medical clinic wait for appointment would have

been likely two weeks.



Thomas Mueller

tmueller@bluegrass.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herbal remedies to reduce excess iron in the body

From: "j. p. villasor" <jpv111@hotmail.com>

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 10:16:57 PST

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To herb@MyList.net from "j. p. villasor" <jpv111@hotmail.com>:



Would anyone have any recommendations as to herbal remedies which can 

reduce excess iron in the body? While the proper amount of iron helps 

build strong, healthy bodies, an excess amount of iron in the body 

destroys tissues and organs over the long haul. Are there any herbal 

remedies or alternative therapies to excess iron or iron overload?



______________________________________________________

Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbal remedies to reduce excess iron in the body

From: LYNEVAJ@aol.com

Date: Sat, 26 Dec 1998 16:32:57 EST

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My Hubby has this problem, and tho this is not herbal, he at least alleviates

the problem by giving blood.  This helps alot but I know he too would

appreciate any herbal help.

            Lyn





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herbal remedies to reduce excess iron in the body

From: Christine Oinonen Ehren <oinonenehren@macalester.edu>

Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 14:00:46 -0500

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You need to look at where the iron is coming from.  Is it your local water?

Are you cooking with cast iron?  Eating iron rich foods?  If you are

concerned about iron, rather than looking for something to leach it out of

you (which most likely will take a bunch of good nutrients with it on the

way out) maybe it would be easier/more helpful to look at where the extra

iron is coming from and cut down/eliminate it.

For iron in your water you could look into filtration, for iron in your

cookware, you could switch to other kinds of pots & pans, and/or not stew

things in your cast iron, particularly anything acid, like tomatoes.

I know there are compounds in spinach that make the iron in spinach

unavailable --I think they're called oxalates (?) but I think they just

bind up the spinach iron, I don't know if they could bind up iron from any

other sources. I know eating tomatoes with your spinach (theoretically)

frees the iron bound by oxalates in the spinach, perhaps in other things,

too, not that this suggests anything but a few things to avoid.

--Chris OE

oinonenehren@macalester.edu



p.s. the giving blood idea is a good one, too, so long as your health is

good enough that you can spare the blood.



>To herb@MyList.net from "j. p. villasor" <jpv111@hotmail.com>:

>

>Would anyone have any recommendations as to herbal remedies which can

>reduce excess iron in the body? While the proper amount of iron helps

>build strong, healthy bodies, an excess amount of iron in the body

>destroys tissues and organs over the long haul. Are there any herbal

>remedies or alternative therapies to excess iron or iron overload?

>

>______________________________________________________

>Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Benzoin Question

From: Magda2@aol.com

Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:22:16 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:



Hello all,

    I realize not everyone uses benzoin (sp?) when making salves and lotions

etc. Vitamin E works well, too.  But I have been trying to find info on how to

concoct your tincture from powdered benzoin.  I was told at my local health

food store that you did not have to let it steep in your menstruum for any

length of time; just liquify it and it is ready to use for preservation

purposes.   And how much does one use?   I have been searching my numerous

books for this info to no avail.  If I find any info it just states, "add

tincture of benzoin".     Thanks to any who can help with this.        

                 Merry Merry            Marianne





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Benzoin Question

From: DLCaswell@aol.com

Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 08:29:45 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from DLCaswell@aol.com:



The only experience I've had with benzion is that it stains--Donna





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Benzoin Question

From: rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>

Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 12:04:57 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>:



Here are some urls I found that may be of some help:



http://www.herbalandtraditional.com/recbs.htm

http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/b/benzoi31.html

http://www.healthlink.com.au/nat_lib/htm-data/htm-def/def216.htm



Hope these help. I just posted a couple of urls that may be different to

these on another list, so if you are on it, you may want to look there

too.



Cindi Z.

Vicksburg Mississippi



Magda2@aol.com wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:

> 

> Hello all,

>     I realize not everyone uses benzoin (sp?) when making salves and lotions

> etc. Vitamin E works well, too.  But I have been trying to find info on how to

> concoct your tincture from powdered benzoin.  I was told at my local health

> food store that you did not have to let it steep in your menstruum for any

> length of time; just liquify it and it is ready to use for preservation

> purposes.   And how much does one use?   I have been searching my numerous

> books for this info to no avail.  If I find any info it just states, "add

> tincture of benzoin".     Thanks to any who can help with this.

>                  Merry Merry            Marianne





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Benzoin Question

From: "aanda" <aanda@ptd.net>

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 23:28:01 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "aanda" <aanda@ptd.net>:



I bought some at my local CVS.  How much should I use per ounce of oil?When

should I add it? When the oil is still cooking or after it has cooled?I have

been using Vit.E, but I would like to try the benzion.My pharmacist asked me

what I wanted it for, when I told him I wanted to use it to preserve a

salve, he looked at me kinda funny.  He said he didn't think that it could

be used in this way.

Its labeled as benzion tincture, alcohol content of 79% and that its a "oral

mucosal protectant" whatever that means... Can someone please shed some

light on this product for me.  Should I try to find a tincture with a lower

alcohol content?  How can I use this to preserve my herbal oils?

Ak



-----Original Message-----

From: rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>

To: herb@MyList.net <herb@MyList.net>

Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 1:05 PM

Subject: Re: Benzoin Question





>To herb@MyList.net from rlcz <rlcz@netdoor.com>:

>

>Here are some urls I found that may be of some help:

>

>http://www.herbalandtraditional.com/recbs.htm

>http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/b/benzoi31.html

>http://www.healthlink.com.au/nat_lib/htm-data/htm-def/def216.htm

>

>Hope these help. I just posted a couple of urls that may be different to

>these on another list, so if you are on it, you may want to look there

>too.

>

>Cindi Z.

>Vicksburg Mississippi

>

>Magda2@aol.com wrote:

>>

>> To herb@MyList.net from Magda2@aol.com:

>>

>> Hello all,

>>     I realize not everyone uses benzoin (sp?) when making salves and

lotions

>> etc. Vitamin E works well, too.  But I have been trying to find info on

how to

>> concoct your tincture from powdered benzoin.  I was told at my local

health

>> food store that you did not have to let it steep in your menstruum for

any

>> length of time; just liquify it and it is ready to use for preservation

>> purposes.   And how much does one use?   I have been searching my

numerous

>> books for this info to no avail.  If I find any info it just states, "add

>> tincture of benzoin".     Thanks to any who can help with this.

>>                  Merry Merry            Marianne

>







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Benzoin Question

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:12:17 -0900

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To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:











How much should I use per ounce of oil?When

>should I add it? When the oil is still cooking or after it has cooled?



There's a nifty little publication by Reader's Digest.  I think it's just

called "Herbs".  I can't seem to find mine, I must have loaned it out.  But

it has an excellent section on making salves, creams, ointments, etc and

gives suggestions for using Benzoin and other preservatives.  It's an

inexpensive book but one of the good ones.



My pharmacist asked me

>what I wanted it for, when I told him I wanted to use it to preserve a

>salve, he looked at me kinda funny.  He said he didn't think that it could

>be used in this way.



They just don't teach pharmacists the way they used to.  They're just bottle

fillers nowadays.  It's used that way all the time.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: DETOX TEA

From: MARDI2GRAS@aol.com

Date: Sun, 27 Dec 1998 22:16:45 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from MARDI2GRAS@aol.com:



I have been drinking a detox tea now every nite, (Yogi Tea Company), and was

wondering is it alright to drink every nite? I must take lipid lowering agents

(prescription), and I ask does the detox tea affect my meds? thank you for

your help and Paul I am so glad to see you back!    Debra





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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: DETOX TEA

From: "Dr. Bill Forewright" <shiloh@kih.net>

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 10:49:16 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Dr. Bill Forewright" <shiloh@kih.net>:



You say that you are drinking this Tea every night, and have been for some

time.Well in asking for advice after the fact is like hiring an attorney

after you confess to a crime. that is one of the things that go on in the

herbal trade, and we the practitioners get a bad rap because people kill

themselves, and then the herb gets the blame.

    To answer your question,NO take the detox only long enough to reach a

desired result. and then stop,it is not a beverage it is medicine and

should be treated as such,remember this,if you are on any kind of

medication, the detox, if it is a good one will remove that also so be

careful.













At 10:16 PM 12/27/98 EST, MARDI2GRAS@aol.com wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from MARDI2GRAS@aol.com:

>

>I have been drinking a detox tea now every nite, (Yogi Tea Company), and was

>wondering is it alright to drink every nite? I must take lipid lowering

agents

>(prescription), and I ask does the detox tea affect my meds? thank you for

>your help and Paul I am so glad to see you back!    Debra

>

>

_________________________



Dr. Bill Forewright

Shiloh Ministries

502-586-5544

http://www.shilohnet.com/





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: DETOX TEA

From: Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:48:16 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Glenbrook Farm <jenkins@glenbrookfarm.com>:



Aherbal trade, and we the practitioners get a bad rap because people kill

>themselves, and then the herb gets the blame.





Does anybody know where to get the exact stats on how many people have died

from herbs in the USA in the past year?

I need that information for an article.

I can't seem to find any offical deaths from herbs.



















Lucinda Jenkins

Glenbrook Farms Herbs and Such

Fine Teas, Herbs, Spices, Fine Quality Soaps

http://www.glenbrookfarm.com/herbs/customers.html





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: DETOX TEA

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:14:05 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> You say that you are drinking this Tea every night, and have been for some

> time.Well in asking for advice after the fact is like hiring an attorney

> after you confess to a crime. that is one of the things that go on in the

> herbal trade, and we the practitioners get a bad rap because people kill

> themselves, and then the herb gets the blame.



THIS VIRTUALLY NEVER HAPPENS. There are so few cases of herb-induced illness

that this sort of complaint is moot.



>     To answer your question,NO take the detox only long enough to reach a

> desired result. and then stop,it is not a beverage it is medicine and

> should be treated as such,remember this,if you are on any kind of

> medication, the detox, if it is a good one will remove that also so be

> careful.



Well, sorry, but I know these products, and they ARE beverages, not

'medicines.' You can drink that stuff to your heart's content, and let your

canary bathe in it as well. SAFE.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: DETOX TEA

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:42:36 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 12/27/98 10:25:07 PM Eastern Standard Time,

MARDI2GRAS@AOL.COM writes:



<< I have been drinking a detox tea now every nite, (Yogi Tea Company), and

was

 wondering is it alright to drink every nite? I must take lipid lowering

agents

 (prescription), and I ask does the detox tea affect my meds? thank you for

 your help and Paul I am so glad to see you back!    Debra

 

  >>



Depends on what's in the detox tea...but yes many allo-meds are flushed out

with a good detox process.  No detoxification should take place for more than

a week at a time because it can deplete your body.  You also need to rebuild

as and directly after you detoxify.  So please be careful about doing this

every day.



Mary Conley, MNH



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: DETOX TEA

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:50:15 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 12/28/98 3:18:13 PM Eastern Standard Time,

p_iannone@lamg.com writes:



<< Well, sorry, but I know these products, and they ARE beverages, not

 'medicines.' You can drink that stuff to your heart's content, and let your

 canary bathe in it as well. SAFE.

 

 Paul

  >>



Actually Paul I have to respectfully disagree.  Many of the detoxification

teas we deal with are a potent combination, and some herbs by themselves are

quite strong.  Also it depends on the condition of the body you are

detoxifying.  For instance it is not a good idea to detox if you are ill,

recovering, or for a woman on her cycle.  It is also not good if you are on

certain allo-regimes that depend on the drug being in your system for a period

of time, or involves the half-life of the drug.



So, please folks do be careful and only use a detox tea for a short period of

time.  Remember, the use of herbs is to jump start our bodies to take over for

themselves the jobs we wish them to do.



In health -

Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: herb mailing list <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: herb grinders

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 13:46:40 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>:



Paul,

I am a novice I suppose but I have a small Toastmaster coffee grinder I

have used. That would get you started.

Linda





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: herb grinders

From: AnkhSis@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 15:38:40 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from AnkhSis@aol.com:



I have a small coffee bean grinder that works quite well.





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: herb grinders

From: KaiforChi@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 16:51:52 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from KaiforChi@aol.com:



In a message dated 12/28/98 12:49:54 PM Pacific Standard Time, AnkhSis@AOL.COM

writes:



<< From:	AnkhSis@AOL.COM

 Sender:	owner-herb@MyList.net

 Reply-to:	herb@MyList.net

 To:	herb@MyList.net

 

 To herb@MyList.net from AnkhSis@aol.com:

 

 I have a small coffee bean grinder that works quite well.

  >>



I concur--just clean it with bread crumbs right away and you can use it for

all different types of herbs. (I use a different one for coffee, however.)





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Herb grinders, was Re: Headaches

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 22:10:25 GMT

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To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:14:12 -0800, p_iannone@lamg.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>What's the scoop on herb grinders? Usually I used processed herbs, but I need to

>do some cut-n-sifting on a special project. How much do you have to pay, where

>do you buy an herb grinder, and which brands or which types of mechanism are

>best/to be avoided.



Tiny amounts: any good coffee grinder will do (talking 2"x2"x5" electric

thingies with 1/2"x2"x2" herb grinding volume here).



Small scale: a small Oster is quite okay. Try to get a glass-top one, and if you

do find it works for you, have the factory ship you 2-3 extra glass tops, for

when your original breaks.



A bit larger: a heavy-duty Vitamix with metal top is essential. This starts to

cost real money though.



Commercial scale: get a hammermill. And pour the concrete to keep it in place

(or bolt it down) where your neighbors who won't mind the NOISE those things put

out. Also, these machines are very expensive.



None of the above will work on slightly resilient but still very hard

botanicals. Not even hammermills - use a hammermill on dried horse chestnuts and

pick all those shiny bits out of your finished product ;) and get a new

hammermill too. 

If at all possible these herbs should be reduced to bits (slicing them is good)

when fresh and not yet at the impossibly hard stage. Not always possible, and

not always practical.

I think Ganoderma is about as tough when fresh as it is when dried, and I think

the same is true of saw palmetto berries. But then, I haven't seen either fresh

so I could be wrong.



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herb grinders, was Re: Headaches

From: Herbgrow30@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:54:22 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Herbgrow30@aol.com:



In a message dated 12/28/98 5:12:07 PM Eastern Standard Time, HeK@hetta.pp.fi

writes:



<< None of the above will work on slightly resilient but still very hard

 botanicals. Not even hammermills - use a hammermill on dried horse chestnuts

and

 pick all those shiny bits out of your finished product ;) and get a new

 hammermill too. 

 If at all possible these herbs should be reduced to bits (slicing them is

good)

 when fresh and not yet at the impossibly hard stage. Not always possible, and

 not always practical.

 I think Ganoderma is about as tough when fresh as it is when dried, and I

think

 the same is true of saw palmetto berries. But then, I haven't seen either

fresh

 so I could be wrong.

  >>



Welcome back Henriette -



That's why I keep the old sledge hammer in the corner of the greenhouse.  Of

course you end up scraping pieces off of the walls but it sure works out the

aggression!



Mary



Mary L. Conley, MNH

The Conley Herb Farm & Learning Center

Be Natural Healing Arts Center/Silver Spring, Md.

Blue Dragon Tinctures & Teas /Catalogue thru Herbgrow30@aol.com

***************************

My comments are instructional only.

Please be sure to seek the care of a health professional.











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Central Sleep Apnea

From: paf@connix.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:31:02 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from paf@connix.com:



If there's an herbal treatment for central sleep apnea, I would greatly

appreciate receiving information about it.  All the allopaths seem to offer

is surgery or, sometimes, a drug.  Surgery in the case of obesity, I may be

able to understand.  Otherwise?

tia, Anita





--



paf@connix.com









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To: HERB@MyList.net

Subject: re: Medline vs PubMed Search

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 18:29:04 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from Elfreem@aol.com:





>    In china ,  I have found some research articles about the oxidation

>  products of catechin which is one important active ingredient of tea.These

>  articles said these oxidation products can lower blood fat,protect liver

and

>  suppress tumor cells. but When I search medline, I find no research article

>  supporting them. If anyone can tell me where I can find these articles, I

will be 

>  very appreciated.

>  

>  Li Pengyun

  

Try PubMed (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/) ...its better than Medline.

Here's a link .. <A HREF="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/PubMed/">Welcome

to>PubMed</A> 



When I did a search, there were dozens of citations.



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Herb Nutrition Newsletter & Midwest Shared Newsletter 

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





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To: Herb list <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Herb Grinder

From: jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>

Date: Mon, 28 Dec 1998 17:52:56 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from jfoster <jfoster@ebicom.net>:



It depends on what you want to grind. If it is leaves or something not so 

tough you can probably get away with a coffee grinder. If you have some 

herbs like kelp or some roots you will be wasting your time with a coffee 

grinder.  I have  broken a vita-mix before on some herbs. John 

 jfoster@ebicom.net







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: DETOX TEA from debra please read

From: MARDI2GRAS@aol.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 00:35:08 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from MARDI2GRAS@aol.com:



Thank you for your answers, in this tea there  is cinnamon bark,saraparrilla

root,licorice root, dandelion root,burdock root, ginger root, juniper berry,

black pepper, cardamon seed, clove bud, natural sarsaparilla flavoring,

philodendron bark, honeysuckle flower, forsythia fruit, gardenia flower,

scullcap root, black cohosh rhizome, coptis rhizome, rhubarb root, winter

melon and plantago seed. I did recognize some of these herbs, and was drinking

it because of the several prescription drugs I MUST take. Also thought it

would help in the flu season. I did start a new lipid med and wasn't working,

was supposed to be the new and improved drug for my condition. With this med

my cholesterol was 400 and triglycerides 1500. That is with low fat diet and

low sugar diet and meds! Blamed the new med. when it could have been the detox

tea removing the med out of my system??? The directions on the tea was drink a

cup everyday. I have went back to my old meds. and for now have stopped the

detox teas ( I do miss my nightly cup) I was wondering could anyone give me

any advice on my condition, it is geneic. thanks again highly appreciated!!!!

Debra





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: DETOX TEA from debra please read

From: OZARKCOOP@aol.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 12:32:48 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from OZARKCOOP@aol.com:



I am not a medical practitioner, however I read a good deal and like the Dr.

Atkins approach for lowering cholesterol. Simply and not completely stated,

the Atkins diet suggests: it isn't the fat you eat, but the sugar and white

flower, or simple carbohydrates, that elevate cholesterol and play havoc on

insulin levels. Worth checking out. Web address: http://www.atkinscenter.com

Lee 





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: DETOX TEA from debra please read

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:52:20 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



 <<With this med my cholesterol was 400 and triglycerides 1500. That is

with low fat diet and low sugar diet and meds!>>



Low fat/low cholesterol diets often trigger the body to go into

overproduction of cholesterol.  More important is the quality of fats and

sufficient dietary cholesterol. You may find better results from

including freshly ground flaxseeds and non-farmed deep water fatty fish

like salmon 3 times a week.  And game, free range meat and buffalo have

much better lipid profiles than do commercial meats.



And starches are as big a culprit as sugar.  I'd give up sugar, flour and

grains until the levels drop, then carefully add in whole grains but only

in the unground state.  (No flour, even whole wheat.)



Karen Vaughan

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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Death from herbs...

From: John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 01:42:33 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>:



Hi Lucinda,



You wrote:



>Does anybody know where to get the exact stats on how many people have died

>from herbs in the USA in the past year?

>I need that information for an article.

>I can't seem to find any offical deaths from herbs.



I would imagine if you dug deep enough, you'd find information on young

athletes and weight trainees that have *supposedly* bitten the dust because

of using "Ma Huang" (Ephedra sinica). I've seen television programs

depicting the herb as one responsible for stroke and sudden death in young

athletes. Of course, most of the common herbs in use don't fill the

"potentially fatal" bill. BUT, there are *some* that if not used with

extreme caution CAN cause severe problems and even death.



Foxglove (Digitalis purpurea) would be one such commonly recognized plant

as would Jimsonweed. I would assume since Opium Poppies are of the plant

world as well and, are of an herbal nature and produce deadly opiates, that

they would rest in the same class. Someone, somewhere out there has surely

ingested these toxic plants and died.



In health,



John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Death from herbs...

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:21:43 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:







>>Does anybody know where to get the exact stats on how many people have

died

>>from herbs in the USA in the past year?

>

>I would imagine if you dug deep enough, you'd find information on young

>athletes and weight trainees that have *supposedly* bitten the dust because

>of using "Ma Huang" (Ephedra sinica).



Deaths from herb use are rare.  Many times they cannot pinpoint the herb as

the actual cause of the death.  Most who die while using herbs already have

some problem.

Poisonous herbs can most certainly kill you but most people don't go eating

Foxglove or Bane berries, etc.  One thing you might look into are deaths of

Eskimo children from eating "mousenuts".  Mousenuts are little caches of

seeds and nuts found in mouse holes.  The children sometimes eat the seeds.

Unfortunately, the mice may have collected seeds of Water Hemlock.  There

are deaths attributed to this.  I think you will find that the deaths from

herbs, even accidentally are miniscule especially compared to deaths from

prescription drugs or improper treatment at the hands of MDs.  I even saw a

young boy die in a waiting room of a coronary.  He had been waiting to see

the doctor for more than an hour.







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Tien Chee Die Da Wan

From: "Veress" <kveress@freenet.npiec.on.ca>

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:15:37 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from "Veress" <kveress@freenet.npiec.on.ca>:



The chinese pharmacist advised me to take Tien Chee Die Da Wan  (Lau Kong

Brand) for tendonitis and arthritis in my shoulder. I have been taking it

for a couple of days now and I have the feeling that is  helping somewhat,

altough this needs to be taken for a longer time.

Is ther someone who can tell me what  the ingredients are - the paper that

comes with it is in chinese, the pharmacist seemed to be very knowledgable

but I still want to find out what I am taking . . .

Thanks in advance,

Margot



...







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Ganoderma

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 08:28:14 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



>  I think Ganoderma is about as tough when fresh as it is when dried, and I

> think the same is true of saw palmetto berries. But then, I haven't seen either

> fresh so I could be wrong.



Ganoderma, like other tree fungus, are fairly soft, 'punky' is the usual

descriptor. When dried, they range from crumbly to chunky. 



It is not difficult to pulverize them in an ordinary 'metate' (mortar &

pestle).



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Detox tea

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:41:48 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> << Well, sorry, but I know these products, and they ARE beverages, not

>  'medicines.' You can drink that stuff to your heart's content, and let your

>  canary bathe in it as well. SAFE.

>  

>  Paul

>   >>

> 

> Actually Paul I have to respectfully disagree.  Many of the detoxification

> teas we deal with are a potent combination, and some herbs by themselves are

> quite strong. 



Er, Mary, the point is that I know THESE products, and they are quite safe, if

not quite ineffectual, for the most part because of the miniscule

potency/dosage level.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Detox tea

From: "Dr. Bill Forewright" <shiloh@kih.net>

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:28:51 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Dr. Bill Forewright" <shiloh@kih.net>:





      I posted this before I say again treat all herbalist as though they

were prescription medicines,especially teas due to NO FDA "look see"

policy, and these things are from a foreigner source.that place NO

restriction what so ever I know personally that they do not because we deal

with the good folks in china.When It comes to putting something in your

body THAT IS SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING is that no caution within it's self.

       Also if you buy a detox Tea that you can drink like water then it is

so weak you are not getting the properties you may need.I give to my people

casuals for detoxing the body.with good results, also an "over dose" of any

worth while detox will make you go to the bath more than normal detoxing

would.

       remember this in the hands of unskilled people there are herbs that

will kill you grave yard dead. This time of the year you may steal a kiss

from under the MISTETOE but if you want to stay with us do not eat it.

thanks Bill F.







At 09:41 AM 12/29/98 -0700, p_iannone@lamg.com wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

>

>> << Well, sorry, but I know these products, and they ARE beverages, not

>>  'medicines.' You can drink that stuff to your heart's content, and let

your

>>  canary bathe in it as well. SAFE.

>>  

>>  Paul

>>   >>

>> 

>> Actually Paul I have to respectfully disagree.  Many of the detoxification

>> teas we deal with are a potent combination, and some herbs by themselves

are

>> quite strong. 

>

>Er, Mary, the point is that I know THESE products, and they are quite

safe, if

>not quite ineffectual, for the most part because of the miniscule

>potency/dosage level.

>

>Paul

>

>

>

_________________________



Dr. Bill Forewright

Shiloh Ministries

502-586-5544

http://www.shilohnet.com/





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Detox tea

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 18:42:31 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:28:51 -0600, "Dr. Bill Forewright" <shiloh@kih.net> wrote

to herb@MyList.net, herb@MyList.net:



>      I posted this before I say again treat all herbalist as though they

>were prescription medicines,especially teas due to NO FDA "look see"

>policy, and these things are from a foreigner source.that place NO

>restriction what so ever I know personally that they do not because we deal

>with the good folks in china.When It comes to putting something in your

>body THAT IS SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING is that no caution within it's self.



?? Above doesn't make sense to me. 

Do you mean to say that -you- don't take herbs or tinctures yourself? 

That you mistrust foreign herbs? Know then that MOST herbs in Europe are foreign

imports, and LOTS of herbs (even western herbal medicine herbs) in the US are

foreign imports. Foreign meaning from another country. Unless you pick your own

you pretty much -have- to take foreign herbs.



So please explain, what's your beef?



Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Detox tea

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:08:12 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



>       I posted this before I say again treat all herbalist as though they

> were prescription medicines,



Well, no, there is no reason to treat herbs as prescription meds. Plants are

not like that.



>especially teas due to NO FDA "look see"

> policy, and these things are from a foreigner source.that place NO

> restriction what so ever I know personally that they do not because we deal

> with the good folks in china.When It comes to putting something in your

> body THAT IS SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING is that no caution within it's self.



Whatever your knowledge of Chinese herbs, you seem to be unaware of how

stupendously safe the majority of Chinese herbalism is, after billions of doses

and great systematic study of the effects. Chinese herbs are essentially

harmless when given in traditional formula, properly matched to pattern.



>        Also if you buy a detox Tea that you can drink like water then it is

> so weak you are not getting the properties you may need.



Well, that is the whole point. No danger if the product is weak. Thank you very

much.



>I give to my people

> casuals for detoxing the body.with good results, also an "over dose" of any

> worth while detox will make you go to the bath more than normal detoxing

> would.



Yes, which is of course yet another reason why herbs are safe. If they are too

aggressive, they upset digestion.



>        remember this in the hands of unskilled people there are herbs that

> will kill you grave yard dead. 



I understand that there are poisonous substances in the world. Abrus

precatorius (rosary) beans can be purchased at ayurvedic pharmacies, and they

are dropdead dangerous if you don't know how to prepare them. But that is

besides the point.



>This time of the year you may steal a kiss

> from under the MISTETOE but if you want to stay with us do not eat it.

> thanks Bill F.



Well, don't eat your shoe either. You might choke. :-)



Paul





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Detox tea

From: "Kevin Chisholm" <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>

Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 10:23:11 +0000

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Kevin Chisholm" <kchishol@fox.nstn.ca>:



> From:          p_iannone@lamg.com

> To:            herb@MyList.net

> Date:          Tue, 29 Dec 1998 22:08:12 -0800

> Subject:       Re: Detox tea

> Organization:  Los Angeles Macintosh Group

> Reply-to:      herb@MyList.net



> To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

> 

> >       I posted this before I say again treat all herbalist as though they

> > were prescription medicines,

> 

> Well, no, there is no reason to treat herbs as prescription meds. Plants are

> not like that.



Some plants are indeed like that!!! In Western Medicine, there is a 

range of potencies to various "medicines", ranging from the potency 

of cough drops to that of chemo-threapy chemicals. For this reason 

most Governments have "non-prescription" and "prescription" drugs. 

Plants vary similarily in their toxicity, from "rose blossom tea" to 

digitalis. In that there are few, if any, regulations regarding 

availability of such plants to the general public, all such plants 

should be treated with caution and respect until they are known to be 

safe and appropriate. 

> 

> >especially teas due to NO FDA "look see"

> > policy, and these things are from a foreigner source.that place NO

> > restriction what so ever I know personally that they do not because we deal

> > with the good folks in china.When It comes to putting something in your

> > body THAT IS SUPPOSED TO DO SOMETHING is that no caution within it's self.

> 

> Whatever your knowledge of Chinese herbs, you seem to be unaware of how

> stupendously safe the majority of Chinese herbalism is, after billions of doses

> and great systematic study of the effects. Chinese herbs are essentially

> harmless when given in traditional formula, properly matched to pattern.

> 

You shoot yourself in the foot!!! If they are harmless when used in 

traditional formulaes, and when properly matched to pattern, then 

they can inherently be dangerous and harmful when not used in 

traditional formulaes, and when not matched to pattern!!!



> >        Also if you buy a detox Tea that you can drink like water then it is

> > so weak you are not getting the properties you may need.

> 

> Well, that is the whole point. No danger if the product is weak. Thank you very

> much.

> 

Paul, you are distorting and twisting his intended meaning to make 

your point. I can drink strichnine tea if it is weak enough, and it 

won't harm me. On the other hand, if I have a bacterial infection, 

and take a weak dose of penicillin, it will harm me.



> >I give to my people

> > casuals for detoxing the body.with good results, also an "over dose" of any

> > worth while detox will make you go to the bath more than normal detoxing

> > would.

> 

> Yes, which is of course yet another reason why herbs are safe. If they are too

> aggressive, they upset digestion.



With a "serious problem", one needs a "serious dosage"; a trivial 

problem can employ a trivial dosage. A competent herbalist must have 

knowledge to know when to recommend a strong dosage, and when to 

recommend a weak dosage. 

> 

> >        remember this in the hands of unskilled people there are herbs that

> > will kill you grave yard dead. 

> 

> I understand that there are poisonous substances in the world. Abrus

> precatorius (rosary) beans can be purchased at ayurvedic pharmacies, and they

> are dropdead dangerous if you don't know how to prepare them. But that is

> besides the point.

> 

THAT IS THE POINT!!! If you don't know what you are doing, harm can 

result. If you specify dosages which are too weak, then benefits will 

not result.



> >This time of the year you may steal a kiss

> > from under the MISTETOE but if you want to stay with us do not eat it.

> > thanks Bill F.

> 

> Well, don't eat your shoe either. You might choke. :-)

> 

Again you miss his point. Mistletoe is a plant, with toxic properties 

if improperly used.



Paul, his point is "If you don't know what you are doing, be 

careful." You should pay heed to this sound advice.



Kevin Chisholm





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Apnea

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:42:17 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> If there's an herbal treatment for central sleep apnea, I would greatly

> appreciate receiving information about it. 



Apnea can occur due to energetic imbalances between the kidneys and heart, what

the Chinese call the 'Shao Yin' level of illness. The general cause of such

imbalances is stimulant use and high stress over a prolonged period. Such

conditions can indeed be treated with herbal therapy and lifestyle change.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Toxic plants

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 09:42:41 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Foxglove (Digitalis purpurea) would be one such commonly recognized plant

> as would Jimsonweed. I would assume since Opium Poppies are of the plant

> world as well and, are of an herbal nature and produce deadly opiates, that

> they would rest in the same class. Someone, somewhere out there has surely

> ingested these toxic plants and died.

> 

> In health,

> 

> John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>



Why look further than castor beans?



The point is not that some plants are toxic. Of course some are. Nonetheless,

it is rare that anyone is harmed by MEDICINAL use even of these plants.

Overall, plant healing is very, very safe, as one would expect given the

existence of long-standing traditions. However, in the neurotic and

ethnocentric confusion of would-be experts (who almost always have no plant

expertise in fact), traditions are to be scoffed at, since before science came,

the world was lost to 'superstition.'



Nevermind that superstition usually WORKED.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Toxic plants

From: jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org (Jill F. Becker)

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 98 13:28:24 EST

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To herb@MyList.net from jbecker@oceanus.mitre.org (Jill F. Becker):







What was that statistic released a while ago...something to the

effect that the fourth leading cause of death in this country is from

use of (often improperly prescribed) prescription medications. 



And people are worried about herbs... go figure.



Jill

 

> Why look further than castor beans?

> 

> The point is not that some plants are toxic. Of course some are.

> Nonetheless, it is rare that anyone is harmed by MEDICINAL use even of

> these plants.

> Overall, plant healing is very, very safe, as one would expect given the

> existence of long-standing traditions. However, in the neurotic and

> ethnocentric confusion of would-be experts (who almost always have no plant

> expertise in fact), traditions are to be scoffed at, since before science

> came, the world was lost to 'superstition.'

> 

> Nevermind that superstition usually WORKED.

> 

> Paul







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To: "Herbal List" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Yam Cream vs Estrogen

From: "Mara Jade" <akalo@discoverynet.com>

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:27:13 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from "Mara Jade" <akalo@discoverynet.com>:



Hi.



  My sister has been trying to talk me into trying a cream she uses called

something like Pro G +  , its a  wild yam cream,  she says it will do  more

for me then the estrogen replacement therapy that my doctor has  me on.

Premarin.



 has anyone had any dealings with this, and what are your opinions on this.



My history. :

 I am 40 years old,

had a complete hysterectomy about 3 years ago, due to cysts on my overies

which had burst.

have been on Premarin for 3 years, a very low dosage. .3 mlgrams.



I have gained weight,

still have migraines

still have hot flashes

have borderline high blood pressure  ( never had this before )

still have mood swings.



 any help anyone can give me would be greatly appreciated.  thanks in

advance.



Cindy Lee / Mara Jade



akalo@discoverynet.com









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To: herb@MyList.net, "Herbal List" <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Yam Cream vs Estrogen

From: Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net>

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 10:49:44 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net>:



>  My sister has been trying to talk me into trying a cream she uses called

>something like Pro G +  , its a  wild yam cream,  she says it will do  more

>for me then the estrogen replacement therapy that my doctor has  me on.

>Premarin.

>

> has anyone had any dealings with this, and what are your opinions on this.

>





My wife has had extensive experience with a similar cream, known as

Progonol, and has been satisfied.  HOWEVER....Make no mistake about the use

of wild yam extract.  It will help with the SYMPTOMATIC relief of

menopausal symptoms, BUT, it has no effect on the anti-osteoporotic effects

or the anti-cardiovascular effects of estrogen.  It is closer to the

effects of the other major female hormone, progesterone, and its use needs

to be discussed with your primary healthcare provider in light of YOUR

particular risk factors, although the side effects of the estrogen can be

significant, and intolerable to some.  Unfortunately, there is no

one-to-one substitution for estrogens,  

	A Sympathetic MD ;-}>







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Yam Cream vs Estrogen

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:13:01 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:



Get and read this book by Virginia Hopkins and John R. Lee. It's a real eye

opener.



What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause

The Breakthrough Book on Natural Progesterone









>To herb@MyList.net from Michael Acord <mpacord@concentric.net>:

>

>>  My sister has been trying to talk me into trying a cream she uses called

>>something like Pro G +  , its a  wild yam cream,  she says it will do  more

>>for me then the estrogen replacement therapy that my doctor has  me on.

>>Premarin.

>>

>> has anyone had any dealings with this, and what are your opinions on this.

>>

>

>

>My wife has had extensive experience with a similar cream, known as

>Progonol, and has been satisfied.  HOWEVER....Make no mistake about the use

>of wild yam extract.  It will help with the SYMPTOMATIC relief of

>menopausal symptoms, BUT, it has no effect on the anti-osteoporotic effects

>or the anti-cardiovascular effects of estrogen.  It is closer to the

>effects of the other major female hormone, progesterone, and its use needs

>to be discussed with your primary healthcare provider in light of YOUR

>particular risk factors, although the side effects of the estrogen can be

>significant, and intolerable to some.  Unfortunately, there is no

>one-to-one substitution for estrogens,

>	A Sympathetic MD ;-}>





Natalie Pastor

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu



flowing with the go......











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Yam Cream vs Estrogen

From: Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com>

Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:06:46 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com>:



At 11:13 AM 12/29/98 -0700, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:

>

>Get and read this book by Virginia Hopkins and John R. Lee. It's a real eye

>opener.

>

>What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause

>The Breakthrough Book on Natural Progesterone

>





Hi Natalie,



I've heard this book mentioned before, however, I understand it is not

annotated or referenced in any way, which always makes me suspicious.  I

also understand that the author's recommend a particular company's wild yam

product.  It is sometimes a trick of mlm companies to provide "third party"

endorsement by publishing books that are seemingly from someone not

connected to the company.  It could be that this company paid for the

publication simply to promote their own worthless products.  



Just a thought.  If you're looking for an herb to explore for hormonal

balancing, try Vitex agnus-castus.  I'll repost a post to the aromatherapy

list some time back when discussing the essential oil from this plant that

might be helpful.  



Be well,

Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/

Agora pages I host:

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/Agora/taxonomy.htm

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/Agora/distillation.htm





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Yam Cream vs Estrogen

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:19:25 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:



Hi Marcia,

Thanks for your reply. The books mentions about 25 creams that met the

author's criteria and since i'm at work and the book is at home i can't

tell you about annotations. i'll check this evening. I have tried vitex and

had no luck with it. in the past i've used dong quai, black cohosh and the

vitex, all in capsule form. the dong quai worked for about 3 years and now

nothing works.  i'll look into the vitex essential oil

Natalie



 from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:

>>

>>Get and read this book by Virginia Hopkins and John R. Lee. It's a real eye

>>opener.

>>

>>What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause

>>The Breakthrough Book on Natural Progesterone

>>

>

>

>Hi Natalie,

>

>I've heard this book mentioned before, however, I understand it is not

>annotated or referenced in any way, which always makes me suspicious.  I

>also understand that the author's recommend a particular company's wild yam

>product.  It is sometimes a trick of mlm companies to provide "third party"

>endorsement by publishing books that are seemingly from someone not

>connected to the company.  It could be that this company paid for the

>publication simply to promote their own worthless products.

>

>Just a thought.  If you're looking for an herb to explore for hormonal

>balancing, try Vitex agnus-castus.  I'll repost a post to the aromatherapy

>list some time back when discussing the essential oil from this plant that

>might be helpful.

>

>Be well,

>Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

>http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/

>Agora pages I host:

>http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/Agora/taxonomy.htm

>http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/Agora/distillation.htm





Natalie Pastor

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu



flowing with the go......











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Yam Cream vs Estrogen

From: Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:17:14 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:



Hi Marcia,

I have the book in front of me today and there are over 20 pages of

references. In all the book seems to be the result of some very indepth and

personal research by the author. You must be thinking of a different book.



Thanks for sending me the vitex information.



Natalie





>To herb@MyList.net from Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com>:

>

>At 11:13 AM 12/29/98 -0700, you wrote:

>>To herb@MyList.net from Natalie Pastor <npastor@mail.sdsu.edu>:

>>

>>Get and read this book by Virginia Hopkins and John R. Lee. It's a real eye

>>opener.

>>

>>What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause

>>The Breakthrough Book on Natural Progesterone

>>

>

>

>Hi Natalie,

>

>I've heard this book mentioned before, however, I understand it is not

>annotated or referenced in any way, which always makes me suspicious.  I

>also understand that the author's recommend a particular company's wild yam

>product.  It is sometimes a trick of mlm companies to provide "third party"

>endorsement by publishing books that are seemingly from someone not

>connected to the company.  It could be that this company paid for the

>publication simply to promote their own worthless products.

>

>Just a thought.  If you're looking for an herb to explore for hormonal

>balancing, try Vitex agnus-castus.  I'll repost a post to the aromatherapy

>list some time back when discussing the essential oil from this plant that

>might be helpful.

>

>Be well,

>Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

>http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/

>Agora pages I host:

>http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/Agora/taxonomy.htm

>http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/Agora/distillation.htm





Natalie Pastor

npastor@mail.sdsu.edu



flowing with the go......











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Yam Cream vs Estrogen

From: OZARKCOOP@aol.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:19:46 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from OZARKCOOP@aol.com:



Dr. John Lee's book What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause is one

you should read. It tells why the progesterone cream therapy is much, much

better, much more practical than premarin. Another good author is Susan M.

Lark, M.D.

Good Luck!

Lee





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Yam Cream vs Estrogen

From: HeK@HETTA.PP.FI (Henriette Kress)

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 20:03:04 GMT

--------

To herb@MyList.net from HeK@hetta.pp.fi (Henriette Kress):



On Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:19:46 EST, OZARKCOOP@aol.com wrote to herb@MyList.net:



>To herb@MyList.net from OZARKCOOP@aol.com:

>

>Dr. John Lee's book What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Menopause is one

>you should read. It tells why the progesterone cream therapy is much, much

>better, much more practical than premarin. Another good author is Susan M.



If you now start to wonder what progesterone has to do with wild yam (Dioscorea

villosa), the answer is "Not much". Dioscorea mexicana (another species

entirely) was used as raw material for oral hormone look-alikes, way back when,

involving fancy equipment and lots of chemicals. This somehow rubbed off so that

"Wild yam works as a hormone precursor" - yeah right. Sorry, that's wrong.



I've updated the wild yam as a contraceptive / wild yam and progesterone cream

entry in the medicinal herbfaq not too long ago; go read that (see my .sig).



Cheers

Henriette



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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re:  Yam Cream vs Estrogen

From: Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com>

Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 12:53:18 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Marcia Elston <samara@wingedseed.com>:





Here's the post I referred to, Natalie.  Maybe the combination of Vitex

with Hydrastis canadensis (as suggested below) is more effective than the

Vitex by itself.  I'd be interested in personal experiences with either one

or in combination if any of you have them.  I cannot believe that it is

imperative that all women take synthetic progesterone during menopause, or

that this is the only way to alleviate the bone deterioration that

sometimes comes as a result of aging.  Menopause is not a disease; it is a

natural process that all women go through.  I think the liklihood of bone

loss, etc., being associated with bad dietary habits, smoking, excess

coffee might be where to look rather than immediately jumping to the

conclusion that we all need synthetic progesterone.  I also know, however,

that there are a lot of shysters promoting all manner of natural cures, and

wild yam seems to be the darling at the moment for women's health and

problems associated with menstrating/menopause.  I've seen as much

information that discounts the effectiveness of wild yam as promotes it.

We need to keep searching beneath the layers to get to the real truth.  



I believe that daily aerobic exercise and calcium/magnesium supplements are

my best method of limiting bone loss.  I'm now past the PMS stage myself,

so I am more concerned with maintaining health through menopause.  Since I

also maintained a good aerobic regimin in my younger years, however, I

think that I also addressed some PMS problems with that.   



>At 09:39 PM 6/17/97 -0700, AT&T <jodymac@pacbell.net>

 wrote:

>>Vitex agnus-castus, the chaste tree, is used against disorders of the 

>>female sexual organs and as an anaphrodisiac.  Some studies show it has 

>>an action in the release of LH from the anterior pituitary.  It is 

>>available as an essential oil, and also as an herbal extract.

>



I find very little reference to the essential oil in my aromatherapy

library.  I can add to the herbal information about this plant.  For me,

being an herbalist as well as aromatherapist, I am always interested in the

plant itself, and all its uses.  I am not in any way suggesting that the

use of the herb is the same as the use of the essential oil, but it might

be wise to look at the traditional uses of the herb and especially the

genus when trying to determine the possible uses of the essential oil, for

sometimes the uses do overlap, though not always.  For those of you who

suffer through this post, you will probably end up with more questions than

answers, but this is sometimes what moves us to more investigation.      



A genus of about 250 species of mainly evergreen trees and shrubs,

predominantly tropical and subtropical, with a few species in Europe.  V.

agnus-castus is found in southern Europe, and V. negundo, found in India,

Taiwan and China are ornamental shrubs.  They have elegant compound leaves

and spikes of mauve flowers.



It is true, V. agnus-castus has long been associated with chastity, white

flowered plants in particular being a traditional symbol of virtue in

southern europe.  Ground seeds were used in monasteries as a condiment to

suppress libido, hence one of the plant's common nmes "monk's pepper".

Both V agnus-castus which affects the hormonal balance in both men and

women and V. negundo and its variants are rich in volatile oil and

glycosides.  The cut-leaved Chinese chase tree, V. n. var. cannabinifolia

(often treated as synonymous with V. n. var. heterophylla by western

botanists) is listed in the Chinese Pharmacopoeia (1985) as a different

drug, mu jing, which has expectorant, antitussive, antiasthmatic, sedative,

antispasmodic, and antibacterial effects.  V. canescens and V. quinata are

used as a substitute for V. negundo in Tibet.  Chinese herbalists also use

V. trifolia and V rotundifolia, which are both known as man jing zi.  The

parts used are the fruits, and this herb is a pungent, bittersweet,

slightly astringent, relaxant herb that regulates hormonal function,

promotes lactation and relieves spasms and pain.  Medicinal uses internally

for menstrual and menopausal complaints, insufficient lactation, and

involuntary ejactulation.  Combines well with Hydrastis canadensis for

menopausal problems.  Excess causes nerve disorder known as formication

(sensation of insects crawling under the skin.)  This herb has long been

used in European herbal medicine, but it is little known in the United

States.  It is believed to have dopaminergic properties (*1, *2); and thus

inhibits the secretion of the peptide hormone prolactin by the pituitary

gland.  Exactly what effect this has on PMS, that amenorrhea is often

associated with elevated blood levels of prolactin.  Drugs that reduce

prolactin concentrations usually restore the menstrual cycle to normal

(*3).  The nature of the chemical  principles in chaste tree berry

responsible for this prolactin-depressant effect has not been established.

Although the German Commission E has recommended the use of Chaste Tree

Berry for a variety of menstrual disturbances, Hansel (*4) has suggested

that its effectiveness for PMS and menopausal symptoms be re-evaluated.

The herb is usually administered in the form of a concentrated alcoholic

extract of the fruit; average dose is 20 mg per day.  Contraindications are

not known, with the exception of the itchy rash in sensitive consumers

mentioned above.   



Now, my sources say that it is V. negundo (Chinese Chaste Tree) that

produces the essential oil.  In addition to essential oil, this plant's

leaves, stems, roots and fruits are also used medicinally.  This herb is a

sedative, cooling, detoxifying herb that lowers fever, relieves pain,

improves digestion and is expectorant and antibacterial.  This herb is used

internally for malaria, poisonous bites, arthritis and breast cancer.  Not

to be given to patients with heart disease or hypertension.  Used

externally for ringworm (leaves) rheumatic and arthritic pain, toothache,

and sore throat (stems), colds and coughs (all parts), asthma and digestive

disturbances (leaves, roots, fruits) brochitis (roots, fruit, oil),

hemorrhoids, migraine and eye problems (fruits).  In Ayurvedic medicine,

internally for headache, excess mucus and gonorrhea (leaves), fevers and

brochial congestion (roots); externally for ulcers (juice of leaves) and

sores (oil).  The fresh leaves are burned as a fumigant against mosquitoes.



It looks as if the essential oil (V. negundo) has been used primarily

topically for skin ulcers and sores, as well as bronchitis.  I find no

mention of its use for hormonal or glandular problems.



So, the questions I end up with here:  Are V. agnus-castus and V. negundo

both essential oil producers?  If so, with regard to V. agnus-castus, are

the effects of the essential oil the same as the tincture (i.e., hormonal

influencers, metabolic and endocrine problems)?



This may seem nitpicky, but I think if we are to truly understand the

effects of essential oils, we cannot be simply assuming that the use is the

same as that of the herb in other forms (i.e., tincture, decoction, etc.).

 Perhaps our European counterparts can provide more substantial

documentation of  the essential oil usage.  



	References:  *1-Lawrence Review of Natural Products, #2-R.K.Siegel,

Journal of the AMA,  *3-M.Castleman, The Herb Quarterly.  Sources used:  V.

Tyler-Herbs of Choice, D. Hoffmann-Therapeutic Herbalism, Deni Bown-Herb

Society of America's Encyclopedia. 



Be well, 



Marcia Elston**Samara Botane/Herbal Indulgence**Seattle, WA

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/

Agora pages I host:

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/Agora/taxonomy.htm

http://www.wingedseed.com/samara/Agora/distillation.htm





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: YT Detox ingreds

From: p_iannone@lamg.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 11:36:43 -0700 (MST)

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To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:



> Thank you for your answers, in this tea there  is cinnamon bark,saraparrilla

> root,licorice root, dandelion root,burdock root, ginger root, juniper berry,

> black pepper, cardamon seed, clove bud, natural sarsaparilla flavoring,

> philodendron bark, honeysuckle flower, forsythia fruit, gardenia flower,

> scullcap root, black cohosh rhizome, coptis rhizome, rhubarb root, winter

> melon and plantago seed.



There is nothing on this list that is any more of a risk in daily use than

goldenseal. These products are usually simplistic combinations of euro and

Chinese herbs. Up to the sarsaparilla flavoring is a standard euro combo, and

what follows is simple Chinese infection-fighting herbs. 



>I< wouldn't put this formula out in any case. If you need dandelion root, you

probably don't need honeysuckle or forsythia, and coptis is more expensive than

gold, so you can imagine how much is in there for three dollars a box. 



Basically these are herbally FLAVORED recreational beverages.



Paul







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Grinders

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Tue, 29 Dec 1998 14:58:50 -0600

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Paul-



Since you don't habitually grind herbs, I would get a VItamix (nci).  I

use it for all my herb grinding and, although some powders can be uneven,

it works well.  (A sieve would be of use in that case.)  I do sometimes

do the grinding in stages so the herb won't get too hot.  It costs around

$250-300.  I recommend getting the reconditioned older model with the

stainless steel container, and stopping up the pouring spout with the

plug they provide.  It's 1-800-VITAMIX if memory serves.  



If you use it on ganoderma cut them into smaller chunks or slices before

grinding into powder.  If dry, soak and slice, then grind with the water.

 (And Henriette, fresh ganoderma is much easier to slice up than dry

ganoderma.)  I know of both broken VItamixes and ganoderma with cookwater

all over the ceiling from insufficiently small pieces.



For fresh kava I use a Cuisinart with a slicing blade.

Karen Vaughan



On Mon, 28 Dec 1998 12:14:12 -0800 p_iannone@lamg.com writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from p_iannone@lamg.com:

>

>What's the scoop on herb grinders? Usually I used processed herbs, but 

>I need to

>do some cut-n-sifting on a special project. How much do you have to 

>pay, where

>do you buy an herb grinder, and which brands or which types of 

>mechanism are

>best/to be avoided.

>

>TIA.

>

>Paul

>



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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: Grinders

From: "Millie" <herbs4u@bright.net>

Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 14:23:20 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Millie" <herbs4u@bright.net>:



Also be cautious of whole dong quai roots in your vitamix. I bought a $4

vitamix at goodwill and had to pay $170 to get it repaired.  "Corky" is the

best word I can think of to describe the consistency of both ganoderma and

dong quai roots.



Millie

millie@wildroots.com

Stony Mountain Botanicals        http://www.wildroots.com











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Toxic Plants

From: John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>

Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 05:57:37 -0800

--------

To herb@MyList.net from John Leschinski <muscle@televar.com>:



>I understand that there are poisonous substances in the world. Abrus

>precatorius (rosary) beans can be purchased at ayurvedic pharmacies, and they

>are dropdead dangerous if you don't know how to prepare them. But that is

>besides the point.

>

>>This time of the year you may steal a kiss

>> from under the MISTETOE but if you want to stay with us do not eat it.

>> thanks Bill F.

>

>Well, don't eat your shoe either. You might choke. :-)





What do you mean this is "besides the point?" There may be very few people

stupid enough to eat a shoe, but you can bet there are a decent percentage

of people that harm themselves and occasionally DIE from plants. I believe

the question was as follows:



>>Does anybody know where to get the exact stats on how many people have

died

>>from herbs in the USA in the past year?



Seems like a fairly straight forward question to ME! "How many people have

died from herbs in the past year in the USA?" Lucinda wrote this and was

looking for statistical data. Now, I don't have the time it would take to

dig up the answers for her, but if I DID, I'm sure, somewhere, I would find

various statistical data outlining or portraying the number of deaths

resulting from either accidental ingestion of toxic plants, or some sort of

allergenic complications.



This apathetic attitude that ALL plants are wonderful and can do no harm is

harmful in itself. As stated, MOST medicinal herbs are not of an immediate

threat in terms of DEATH. BUT... with all the knowledge that exists on the

side effects of various herbs, you can't tell me that over the long term

that some individual using a plant substance capable of overstimulating

hormonal balance, overtaxing adrenal glands, or weakening and bursting

blood vessels has NO BEARING on the possibility that this individual COULD

perhaps in time die! This attitude and thinking is not only in err, it's

*irresponsible*.



Let's face it, there ARE people that take matters into their own hands,

think that nothing can harm them, and then end up in real dangerous spots

with themselves. If everyone were that intelligent, educated and aware, to

figure things out on their own and detour danger, we would have no need for

physicians, naturopaths, herbalists, aromatherapists, etc. If people die on

occasion from wrongful use of plant substances, it doesn't make the whole

plant world foe. But accepting the reality that it DOES and CAN happen

makes for sensibility, and in turn statistical information. I'm not saying

the information is always accurate, can be sufficiently tied to the misuse

or abuse of herbs, or isn't fragmented. But if connections are made by the

people responsible for certifying death, I'm sure somewhere tucked in files

either hard or electronic, that people are compiling information on herb

related deaths. You can turn your head at that and ignore the fact, but if

there's something to be recorded, someone is DOING IT.



John









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: muscle spasm

From: "Symphony of Palms" <symphonyop@ime.net>

Date: Wed, 30 Dec 1998 20:35:53 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from "Symphony of Palms" <symphonyop@ime.net>:



Hello,



I'm very new to herbs and have just joined the list.



Can anyone recommend an herb or herbal combination to relieve muscle spasm?

My mother is experiencing spasms in the neck and shoulders.  She wants to

try Kava Kava capsules.



She is also wondering if there is a problem taking the Kava Kava and aspirin

at the same time.  Is there a good reference book that lists drug/herb

interaction problems?



Many thanks for your help.



Eliott

------------------------------------------

Eliott Cherry, LMT

Portland, Maine

http://www.symphonyofpalms.com      symphonyop@ime.net









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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: muscle spasm

From: Art Carlson <acarlson@digisys.net>

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:46:27 -0700

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Art Carlson <acarlson@digisys.net>:



Eliott,

	I have lots of neck and shoulder spasms as a result of post polio. My best

results have been from Black Cohosh and Kava Kava, sometimes combined with

Valerian. But, it has not been a complete solution. Reflexology and

acupuncture offer additional relief.

	I usually take the herbs in an alcohol tincture, because I find them to be

faster acting and more effective that way.

	Art Carlson



At 08:35 PM 12/30/98 -0500, you wrote:

>To herb@MyList.net from "Symphony of Palms" <symphonyop@ime.net>:

>

>Hello,

>

>I'm very new to herbs and have just joined the list.

>

>Can anyone recommend an herb or herbal combination to relieve muscle spasm?

>My mother is experiencing spasms in the neck and shoulders.  She wants to

>try Kava Kava capsules.

>

>She is also wondering if there is a problem taking the Kava Kava and aspirin

>at the same time.  Is there a good reference book that lists drug/herb

>interaction problems?

>

>Many thanks for your help.

>

>Eliott

>------------------------------------------

>Eliott Cherry, LMT

>Portland, Maine

>http://www.symphonyofpalms.com      symphonyop@ime.net

>

>

>





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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Re: muscle spasm

From: "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 10:46:31 -0900

--------

To herb@MyList.net from "Anita Hales" <Anita.Hales@worldnet.att.net>:



>Can anyone recommend an herb or herbal combination to relieve muscle spasm?

>My mother is experiencing spasms in the neck and shoulders.  She wants to

>try Kava Kava capsules.



Kava Kava might help smoothe her out but the best simple anti-spasmodic is

Viburnum (Cramp Bark).  If you have access to a bush, just chew on a twig

and in about 20 min, all will relax.

Another good combo is Anti-spasmodic tincture with Black and Blue Cohosh,

Skunk Cabbage root, and Scullcap (I can look up the exact recipe if you

want).

I'd also take a good look at lifestyle, digestion and eating habits that

might contribute to her problem.  Cool off the liver with cold Yarrow and/or

Eupatorium perfoliatum (Boneset) infusion.  Peppermint won't hurt.  Quit ALL

caffeine intake.  Get sufficient sleep and examine diet for too much sugar

and possible allergens.  Try eating only a little meat with LOTS of

vegetables for a while, no wheat, rice, grains.  Omega 3 fatty oils might

help (fish oil).  If she has hard nodules in the muscles and around the

edges of the scapula you can find those (they will be sore hard spots).

Press on each nodule with firm even pressure (it will hurt at first).  Don't

be afraid to push very hard.  You might feel the nodule slowly disappear and

the muscle will relax.  This is only for first aid.  Make VERY sure she gets

at least 1000 mg of Calcium daily or more.  It should be taken with

Magnesium, Vitamin D and Selenium for maximum absorption.  Use an

assimilable form of calcium like Citrate, Colloidal, etc, trying to avoid

calcium carbonate.

Kava Kava is OK.  She shouldn't need aspirin if you get the problem solved.







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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: valerian

From: "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 12:27:56 +0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:



herb formulas can often make more effect than single herb, anyone konws

valerian can be used with which herbs?





Li







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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: valerian

From: Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 08:44:54 -0600

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Mike & Linda Shipley <n5wuh@ionet.net>:



I have heard valerian combined with possibly scullcap and passion

flower.



Li Pengyun wrote:

> 

> To herb@MyList.net from "Li Pengyun" <jinyao@public1.ptt.js.cn>:

> 

> herb formulas can often make more effect than single herb, anyone konws

> valerian can be used with which herbs?

> 

> Li





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To: HERB@MyList.net

Subject: re: deaths due to plants

From: Elfreem@aol.com

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:29:24 EST

--------

To herb@MyList.net from Elfreem@aol.com:





>Does anybody know where to get the exact stats on how many people have died

>from herbs in the USA in the past year?



FYI, each year all reports of toxicity due to accidental or intential overdose

and poisonings are tabulated by the American Association of Poison Control 

Centers (AAPCC). Anyone who has access to a good medical library can

find it. This year, the 1997 Annual Report of the AAPCC Toxic Exposure

Surbellance System was published in the September issue of The

American Journal of Emergency Medicine, Volume 16, Number 5, pgs

443-497.



There were 123,139 reports of expsures to plants in general and of these

two deaths were reported. The subcategories did not refer to specific plants,

only (in this case) "dermatitis" and "other" ...so its difficult to determine

if herbs were involved. There were also 10,477 reports of ingestion of 

mushrooms, with two deaths reported ..subcategories, "cyclopeptide" and

"hallucinogenic".



Regards,



Elliot Freeman RPh, Managing Editor

Herb Nutrition Newsletter & Midwest Shared Newsletter 

Member, Association of Natural Medicine Pharmacists





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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Re: Herb Book

From: Kathleen Long <bygone@cnw.com>

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 09:51:58 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from Kathleen Long <bygone@cnw.com>:



Ron Ashmore wrote:



> To herb@MyList.net from "Ron Ashmore" <ra@nextfrontier.net>:

>

> Hi. I'm new to the herb list and basicly  new to herbs as a natural healing

> property. My question is what would be a really good book(s) to get me

> started?

>



A good primer is the Illustrated Power Herbs Power Healing at:

http://www.cnw.com/~bygone/herbs.html



http://www.cnw.com/~bygone/herbcat.html

Herbal Pleasures & Treasures

Nothing Could Be More Natural!

Bulk Herbs & Spices & Accessories, Aromatherapy & Jewelry, Natural,

Animal Cruelty-free Products for Home, Family, and Pets.









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To: <herb@MyList.net>

Subject: Knotgrass

From: "Sharon Sedgwick" <sharon@frankmillerfineart.com>

Date: Thu, 31 Dec 1998 11:51:56 -0800

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To herb@MyList.net from "Sharon Sedgwick" <sharon@frankmillerfineart.com>:



Hi I have been lurking for awhile and think the list is great! 

If this type of post is not acceptable please let me know. 



I am looking for a supplier for Knotgrass aka Birdgrass (polygomun

aviculare).  If anyone has any idea's it would be great!  I have tried

Frontier and several other large suppliers with no luck. I think this might

be more readily avail in Europe but not too sure.  Also is anyone out their

familiar with the Breuss Cancer diet? This originated in Germany.



TIA



May we sing as we go,

Shazz



sharon@frankmillerfineart.com

www.frankmillerfineart.com

Experience the Beauty of Nature Online











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To: herb@MyList.net

Subject: Chemo (for Hepatitis) alleviation

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:16:00 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Susun Weed's book, "Breast Cancer/Breast Health" contains an extensive

discussion of alleviation of chemo effects and much is applicable to

other diseases.  But much depends upon the specific chemicals used.  In

any event liver supporting herbs are indicated.  Christopher Hobbs slim

book "Natural Liver Therapy" has an excellent discussion of the various

properties of herbs supporting the liver in its different stages. Hobbs

is quite experienced in treating hepatitis after contracting it himself

many years ago, and he has a good understanding of liver processes.



Because the topic is quite complex, I suggest that you find those two

readily available books then look for an experienced herbalist in your

friend's area.



Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Healing is the art of expressing love for your brothers and sisters in

life.



On Mon, 14 Dec 1998 19:25:12 -0500 j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski)

writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):

>

>Greetings herbal friends,	 	My best friend on the 

>planet, recently diagnosed w/ 

>Hepatits C, contracted from a blood transufsion after the birth of her

>first child fifteen years ago. 	Liver biopsy shows she has very 

>little damage as yet. 	Interferon can "wipe out'" the virus, 

>per her infectious diseases Doctor.   This is extremely expensive and

usually causes severe chemotherapy sickness.

>	Does anyone have good results:* with herbs for treating chemo

related illness* or other wise supporting the body and spirit through

this 

>year long course of injections? 	Thank you  

>___________________________________________________________________ 



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To: kshaeusa@netscape.net, herb@MyList.net

Subject: Chemo alleviation

From: creationsgarden@juno.com

Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 09:19:16 -0500

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To herb@MyList.net from creationsgarden@juno.com:



Essiac , in the opinion of most serious herbalists I know, is considered

a fairly weak and usually overpriced alterative, providing some mild

effect on some cancers, which can be improved by adding red clover. 

(Anita  Hales however knows of one man who cured himself of cancer with

Essiac.)  For someone using interferon for Hepatitis C, it probably won't

hurt but is also probably mild in its helping effects. Alteratives and

liver herbs ARE a good strategy.

 

Karen Vaughan

CreationsGarden@juno.com

***************************************

Email advice is not a substitute for medical treatment.

Healing is the art of expressing love for your brothers and sisters in

life.



On Tue, 15 Dec 1998 09:57:55 -0400 diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu> writes:

>To herb@MyList.net from diana cascioli <raven@gwu.edu>:

>

>Jennifer Kiliszewski wrote:

>> 

>> To herb@MyList.net from j_iris@juno.com (Jennifer Kiliszewski):

>> 

>> Greetings herbal friends,

>>         My best friend on the planet, recently diagnosed w/

>> Hepatits C, contracted from a blood transufsion after the birth of 

>her

>> first child fifteen years ago.

>>         Liver biopsy shows she has very little damage as yet.

>>         Interferon can "wipe out'" the virus, per her infectious 

>diseases

>> Doctor.   This is extremely expensive and usually causes severe

>> chemotherapy sickness.

>>         Does anyone have good results:

>>         * with herbs for treating chemo related illness

>>         * or other wise supporting the body and spirit through this 

>year  long course of injections?

>

>I personally have not tried it, but from all the testimonies I've heard,

>Essiac is a good thing to take when trying to fight cancer and when

>undergoing chemotherapy. 



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